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TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
Thursday, April 10, 2008
9:00 a.m
Community Redevelopment Agency

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(The meeting was called to order at 9:06 a.m. by
Chairman Gwen Miller.)
[Sounding gavel]
>> The Community Redevelopment Agency is called to
order.
Chair will yield to Mr. Joseph Caetano.
>>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: This morning we have the honor of
having Ms. Shirley Foxx-Knowles, our city clerk to
provide the invocation.

And we would like to thank her for her inspiration.
Please remain standing for the pledge of allegiance
after the invocation.
>>SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES: Good morning, CRA members.
Let us pray.
Dear Lord, thank you for another opportunity to serve
you.
We give thanks to you for all the many blessings you
have bestowed upon us.
You have protected us so much and we are truly
grateful.
Because you have blessed us, let us be a blessing to
others, for it is written, to whom much is given, much
is required.
Father, we are so grateful for the opportunity to
serve the people and make Tampa the best city in the
nation.
Thank you for our CRA members, our mayor, our staff,
and citizens.
Thank you for a new opportunity to be the best that we
can be.
Father, we ask that you continue to bless our service

members and those on the front line.
Protect them as they continue to serve and protect us
from dangers seen and unseen.
Bless their families and give them the strength to
hold on.
We are grateful to them for their many sacrifices and
their willingness to serve.
Father, we pray for our leaders and future leaders and
ask that you give them the needed wisdom to keep us
free.
Make them instruments of your will.
And now, Dear Lord, bless and guide our CRA members
and the new leader.
Assist them as they make decisions that affect our
great city.
Bless them and keep them in your loving care.
Be with them and us now and forever more.
Let us all say amen.
(Pledge of Allegiance)
>>GWEN MILLER: Roll call.
>>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Here.
>>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: Here.

>>MARY MULHERN: Here.
>>GWEN MILLER: Here.
At this time we will have an update on the Strand
decision.
>>SAL TERRITO: I'm sorry to sound like a broken record
but there is no news.
>>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Because so much of our planning is
dependent on the Strand decision, I would like to make
two requests for our next CRA meeting.
Next chance, Mr. Territo, that you get with the head
attorney for the Florida Redevelopment Agency --
Association, and see what other strategies communities
are developing in terms of a dressing them.
And, secondly, that you communicate with Buddy Johnson
and get the timing of when he would need language from
us to be able to put a referendum on the ballot.
We don't know whether it would be going to people in
the district, the city, or the county, but I don't
think that we can afford to wait another year without
doing something.
If you go ahead and put something on the ballot and it
turns out to the Strand decision says you don't have

to do a referendum it's easy to pull something.
But if you I'm sure Mr. Johnson's office will tell us
we waited too long.
If you could find out what the difference -- I would
assume that we would want to wait as long as possible,
which would be probably the November election.
So if you could find out when he would need language
from us, and a sense of whether we direct it towards
just the people in the district or the city or the
county.
That's a motion.
For our next CRA --
>>SAL TERRITO: I'm hoping the supreme court will clear
that up because the opinions are all over the place.
>>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I know, but I just wants to be
proactive and prepared.
That's the motion, madam can chairman, to ask him to
do that work and come back to us at our next CRA
meeting.
>>GWEN MILLER: We have a motion and second.
(Motion carried)
Mr. Huey.

>>MARK HUEY: Good morning.
Welcome especially to our new chair for your
leadership.
>>GWEN MILLER: Thank you.
>>MARK HUEY: We have a number of items on the agenda.
Right now, we have got a few updates starting with the
Channel District.
But before that, I wanted to do a little bit of
recognition.
As you know, this past week, the Planning Commission
held their annual award event, and it's a night that
occurs annually, and the planning community and the
development community look forward to it.
It's a time when the community celebrates good
planning and good projects that are moving our
community forward in a positive way.
And a number of awards were given that relate to our
redevelopment activity and projects in our
redevelopment area.
But I just wanted to highlight.
Notably, the Drew Park strategic action plan in the
master planning and urban design category was

recognized.
We also had in Drew Park Hillsborough County community
college's apartment community for students recognized.
In East Tampa, fast lane clothing was recognized as
in-fill development.
SkyPoint was recognized as an award winner and urban
in-fill and reuse.
And the I-4 project in Ybor City was also recognized,
which is complementary to our Ybor City redevelopment.
So just wanted to make you aware of that.
You work very hard on our redevelopment activities and
you share in that recognition from these awards as do
the community leaders and planners but of course the
developers who bring their investment and creative
energies to our redevelopment.
So just wanted to recognize that and thank you all for
your support for redevelopment activity.
This is just another example of how we are being
recognized for being on the right track.
>>MARY MULHERN: I just wanted to congratulate you and
Janett on receiving that award.
It was great to attend that and see a lot of Tampa

projects were in there, and it was wonderful to see
all the great planning.
>>MARK HUEY: With that we will move forward on the
Channel District planning update.
As you know, we have Wilson Miller working on a
planning of all of the infrastructure and the public
realm improvements for the Channel District.
We will update you quarterly on their progress.
And so for their first quarterly update they are here
today.
AHMED, welcome.
>>> Good morning.
I'm Ahmed, Wilson Miller.
Basically, the update we wanted to give you is we have
successfully completed to the City of Tampa for the
infrastructure planning board, our conceptual plan has
been submitted to the city for review.
We have also been very successful in negotiation with
TECO in expanding some of their improvements that they
are anticipating to collaborate with them to be done.
These are primarily undergrounding of the utilities
and coordination of some of the services, and

obviously it was the time of some of these
improvements insuring that services are maintained.
In addition to that, on the planning work for the
aquarium parking lot, we have initiated our meetings
with the aquarium and the port authority which are the
two primary stakeholders in that.
Those meetings are set up to be individually held
initially to insure we understand all their concerns
and issues without, you know, in the follow-up
meetings and in the public meetings we can come and
provide --
>>GWEN MILLER: Go ahead.
>>> And basically the big, you know, following those
meetings, we also will have meetings with the
residents, as well as to insure that again we
understand some of the broader issues that are
throughout the district, and then basically from that
we are anticipating, and I say we have touched on that
in the last presentation we gave you, from that we
will come back with alternatives that will be
presented to the district, and to be able to provide
you the alternatives, and study the alternatives, and

hopefully follow that schedule to the point that we
come to, you know, a recommendation to the council.
And that's basically, at this point, most of the focus
has been on the infrastructure planning work, but
there's a lot of time needed to be done, work to be
done by the city and us, and at this point in the
package we submitted about two weeks ago, we are
anticipating in the next two weeks we get comments
back from the city and then continue on the next phase
of development of the infrastructure plan.
>>GWEN MILLER: Mrs. Saul-Sena.
>>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I have several questions.
First of all I'm very pleased to hear you are planning
to underground the utilities.
I think that's an extremely important investment in
the quality of the area.
And I wondered if TECO was charging you retail or
wholesale.
>>> That I can't answer right now.
Obviously the negotiation on how that's going to take
place and the timing, because what we are planning on
doing is we are trying to establish packages within

the district to minimize interruption.
That's really going to be very critical.
And when those are done, then there's the various
methods of delivering has to be established including
a project agreement.
Obviously some of the prices have to be negotiated.
>>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Thank you.
The other question I had is, will you be providing
us -- the residents are very, very, very interested in
participating in this.
And I was pleased to hear you say that you are going
to include meetings with them.
I would like you to provide us with the dates and
times when those meetings are held, and also a time
line of when you are going to be talking to everyone
and when you are going to have some preliminary
designs, and the CRA board is very interested in this
process, and so I would very much appreciate it if you
would talk with us before you have a congealed
project, when you are in the process of developing the
different choices, we can share with you what we have
heard from our constituents and what our knowledge of

the area has been over time.
This board wants to be engaged.
We don't just want to be presented with a product at
the very end.
>>> I understand, and that is the plan.
As I stated, our initial meeting with the aquarium and
then the port are very critical, because as you know,
both of them have major interests in that area, and we
have to make sure we clearly understand that and the
concern, and the next step is making sure we discuss
with the residents, and as we have indicated to you
before, those meetings everybody on board will be
invited, and then as needed we can come to you
individually or present to the group, you know, some
of the processes.
>>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Thank you.
>>> Good morning.
Mike Chen, Channel District, CRA manager.
In the schedule that has been worked out for the
planning of that site, there is a plan for a very
early workshop to be scheduled with you so that you
can also be one of the very front-end stakeholders

that provide direction and concerns, interests, and so
forth that should be taken into account as that plan
evolves.
So that is already part of our sequence of schedule.
And I'm guessing that will be somewhere in the range
of the next 30 to 60 days we'll be scheduling that
workshop for you to provide input.
>>GWEN MILLER: Thank you.
We go to the Tampa Heights project.
Mr. Jim Shimberg. Can you do it?
>>> Mark Huey again. As you are aware, the Heights
project is the largest public-private partnership that
the city has undertaken, an opportunity to rebuild the
neighborhood adjacent to Stetson law school and the
Hillsborough River, and very exciting project.
We have today a report from the development team, some
updates, some news about the project that we thought
would you want to be informed about.
Jim, are you going to take the lead?
Darren Booth representing the developer is here with
us.
Welcome.

>>> Darren Booth: I apologize for my voice in
advance.
It's a little crackily.
I'm getting over a cold here.
I have a PowerPoint presentation that I would like to
pull up here.
It's Darren Booth, and I'm the development manager for
the project.
I have been involved with this project for the last
going on three years, but people in the room and the
people in the audience have been involved with the
redevelopment of this area really for decades.
I will go through real quickly and bring have been up
to speed.
Opportunity for growth three minutes north here.
The vision. Development focuses on walkable, friend
pedestrian friendly community, building practices,
improving public view corridors, stakeholder
participation, easy access to mass transit, and
diverse housing choices.
This is a photo from just above the project, the very
lower left hand corner of the project is the old

trolley barn which has the trolley system in the early
1900s.
And as you can see, it's basically a three-minute
drive from the site to downtown Tampa.
When people think about the riverwalk in the years to
come this will probably be an image that comes to
people's mind really on a national basis, because when
you have a visitor visiting Tampa, it will be this
view of the Hillsborough River, bend in the river.
From the location it doesn't really look like a river
because it's a long have you looking southbound from
the river and you have an incredible expansive look
here.
Of course, this is what it looks like today.
And there's obviously some redevelopment work.
It was an industrial site for the last 30 years.
But the site also has a lot of history.
It has the spring and the pumping station that's
provided Tampa's drinking water since the turning of
the century and the vision is to rejuvenate and
redevelop this into a very special public space.
The project will be building approximately a mile of

riverwalk.
It's zoned for 1900 residential units.
260,000 square feet of office and retail.
And 100 boat slips.
I think by zoning approval we have been working on
getting incremental site plan approved, which was done
in December of this last year.
We have been finishing the site clean-up.
Approximately 400 trees are relocated over at Blake
high school and cleared the site and we are working on
a couple of major permits, Army corps of evenings
permit and the authority permit.
The sea wall, riverwalk and the boat slips.
We are now entering a very new development phase of
the project, initial vision, land and zoning have come
together and now getting ready to start vertical
development, bringing into the team various team
members are stepping forward to add their expertise.
We had about 72 buildings on the site that looked like
this.
Those buildings were then acquired, demolished,
cleaned up.

Yesterday the last historic structure was being
prepped to be relocated.
I mentioned we relocated 400 trees to Blake.
And last week, stepped outside my office and looked
across the river to the trees and it was quite
heartwarming to see the high school students with
their artist pads sitting under all these trees as the
arts classes were working.
There was a lot of publicity about the project with
regard to eminent domain.
I would like to inform everybody that not a single
parcel was acquired through eminent domain.
All of the land acquisition has been completed at this
point.
And there were several people that decided they did
not want to sell their property.
And we are working as good neighbors to help redevelop
the area with them.
We had a couple of historic buildings on the site.
This has already gone through the ARC.
The other one, the trolley barn will be coming to the
ARC.

A very important element of the product is to reduce
the use of the automobile.
As you may recall the development agreement has a
requirement for the project of three laning Columbus
drive from Tampa to North Boulevard street.
The money is being put aside today to do that.
Hopefully, however, instead of just three laning a
road, they get squeezed down to a two-lane bridge.
We would like to see those funds perhaps rediverted to
the trolley wheel or track.
And in the vision of things this is how I got to work
today, but with Hillsborough River, I would really
like to be able to see us use the waterway.
So as you can see, that's a quick summary of the
project.
And if you think back to that last slide, it took me a
little over an hour to get 20 miles into the CBD this
morning.
If I was in the Heights it would have taken me about 3
minutes to get here and the challenge is what would I
do with my other 57 minutes?
If I could pull up the time line.

This is what you really care about now, is what the
schedule of activities.
As you can see, we are now finalizing some of the
permits on the port authority, on the core permits
Expected in the early first quarter of 2009.
And then I would just highlight when the project
started out three, four, five years ago, the
expectation would have been that residential
development would have been the first activity.
And obviously news about real estate in the United
States, expectation is residential would be the tail
of the project, and the retail department, commercial,
to be the lead.
And with that, I would like to introduce the project
that we'll be bringing forward shortly.
We resubmitted ARC application last week for a small
office building.
The north end of Waterworks Park, the river, part of
the land swap agreement with the city, as we are
expanding the park space.
Aerial view showing the proposed project.
With that, I would like to conclude, unless you have

any questions.
>>GWEN MILLER: Ms. Mulhern.
>>MARY MULHERN: Darren, a couple of questions.
Where are you driving from that it takes you an hour?
>>> I live out in Westchase.
>> I was worried you were driving from Tampa Heights
to downtown.
Good.
I think you were at -- we had a livable roadway
committee and Ryan Shuman from Tampa Heights was
there, and are you working with him at all, or
incorporating any of his planning for -- he had all
these great ideas for the roadways in that area.
>>> Absolutely.
As I became involved in the project really since day
one of the project that the surrounding communities,
whether it's Ybor, east, West Tampa, Tampa Heights to
the north, the CBD to the south has been working
together, all the surrounding neighborhoods, to really
take a step back and sometimes do the harder thing and
change practices in the past that didn't necessarily
work.

So, for example, the Heights project, 7th Avenue
was built, and dead-ends at the river.
Well, 7th Avenue is just ten blocks to the east
you're in Ybor.
The project is going through the extra trouble to
extend 7th Avenue around the buildings tied into
Massachusetts to make the road network work.
The would have parallel parking.
Brick streets up front but you don't have to relay
every seven years.
For the long-term it's actually a wise investment to
the city.
So we have been working on that.
>> Good for traffic calming.
Well, Linda and I were able to hear about his road die
yet plan, and I am going to ask to bring it at our
council meeting today, a young man who lives in Tampa
Heights, and got so involved in the redevelopment
process that he decided to go back to school and study
urban planning.
And even though he's going to Oregon to study, he's
going to continue to work on this project for Tampa

Heights from there and hopefully involve the
university.
So we will be hearing more about that but it's great.
This looks beautiful.
Other question I had was you showed these lovely
bungalows.
Is this actually a new home?
>>> That's actually new construction.
That was a house, one of the properties we acquired,
the individual lived his entire life here in this
development.
We wanted to change the road network like I mention
add round 7th Avenue to Massachusetts, and some of
the houses needed to move.
We purchased his house, built him a new house, and he
now lives one block away.
He still gets to enjoy the benefits of the project.
>> Okay but this is --
>>> That's his new house.
>> It's amazing.
It looks just like the houses in Ybor City that got
preserved and relocated.

It looks wonderful.
>>> Thank you.
>>GWEN MILLER: Mrs. Saul-Sena.
>>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I want to compliment you on your
leadership in this area.
It's so exciting to have the private sector create
something that's going to be such a gift to the city.
It's going to be beautiful, walkable.
Building the riverwalk for us.
It's taking an area that has really been completely
overlooked previously and creating a tremendous asset.
And you also are being engaged in a number of the
other downtown initiatives.
I just want to thank you for this.
This is really a gift to our community.
I can't wait for the water taxis.
I think the MPO is doing --
>>> Could I get the Elmo projector up?
Just to give you a little piece of this project to
come, this is a view from the river.
And there will be 20 boat slips so folks by the
literally the boat load can come and visit the park

and restaurants.
This is an office building that will front the river.
This is a close-up view of the right-hand side of the
rendering.
You see the historic 1907 water works pumping station.
And hopefully the restaurants and cafe will front
that.
The part that I really like, the beautiful rooftop
deck overlooking the park and the river.
And this will be a LEED building, very much setting
the standard and continuing to raise the bar in Tampa
as we build sustainably.
Thank you very much.
>>GWEN MILLER: Any other questions?
Thank you.
We appreciate that.
Looking forward to see this project start moving.
Mr. Huey?
>>MARK HUEY: It's great to see the progress going on
even in a difficult market environment, very creative
and moving that important redevelopment forward.
I have a quick community advisory progress report

update.
You recall in January you approved the advisory board
policy.
You selected advisory board members for approximately
70 individual members for the various boards of the
redevelopment areas.
We have completed training for approximately 60 of
those.
We have one last make-up training being scheduled for
the last ten members.
Each of your offices received a copy of the training
manual that we are taking the board members through.
We are preparing them for their service and preparing
them to get off to a good start in their service to
their respective areas.
All of the redevelopment area boards except I think
for Central Park has not had their initial meetings
and had their organization meetings and are beginning
to move forward.
So again just wanted to provide you an update of how
that is all going and answer any questions that you
might have.

We have two agenda items later in the agenda.
Items 8 and 9 which are staggered terms, that some of
the initial boards have agreed to.
And we are looking forward to completing the Central
Park board as well.
So that's my update on this important effort of
putting in place these redevelopment area advisory
boards.
>>GWEN MILLER: Let's move resolution 8 and 9 now since
you brought us up to date K.we get a motion to move 8
and 9?
>>: So moved.
>> Second.
>>GWEN MILLER: All in favor of that motion say Aye.
Opposed, Nay.
Okay.
>>MARK HUEY: Thank you for your support of that
continued effort.
Item 5, this pertains to a presentation that will
provide -- was provided last week to the board by one
of our pioneering developers in the district Ken
Stoltenberg at grand and Kennedy.

He provided you a presentation that suggested a couple
of ideas that the Channel District CRA might consider.
One involved acknowledging that over time we are going
to need more land for parks in the redevelopment area.
And secondly, the possibility of considering
incentives, particularly for retail in the Channel
District.
As I represented to you at the last board meeting that
we would help provide an update to you.
We wouldn't be able to provide an extensive
recommendation, but we thought those were good ideas
and that we would pursue those ideas and provide you a
report this morning.
So that's what I would like to do at this time.
And basically what I would like to report to you is
that we believe both of the ideas have merit.
First of all, the district does need more parks over
time, and the CRA needs to be proactive in trying to
make that happen.
In that regard we have contacted all of the property
owners that Ken has suggested, and had some initial
conversations with them.

Secondly, we are updating for you our TIF projection,
so that we might know better as a team how much
financial resources we can devote to this kind of an
initiative over time.
So we will continue to work on that and look forward
to doing that.
On the matter of retail incentives, we have had a
chance to spend an hour, hour and a half with Ken to
talk a little more about his thinking on that.
We believe -- we would like to invest more time in and
other developers within the redevelopment area to
consider how we might selectively strategically target
some incentives to help bring some critical retail
into that neighborhood that might help get it to the
next step.
And so we will work on that.
Again, with our staff, and with the various
developers, including Ken and the district, to see if
we can't forge a recommendation on an incentive
program for the Channel District.
And that concludes my report.
>>GWEN MILLER: Mrs. Saul-Sena.

>>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Have you identified what kinds of
things the people in the Channel District would like
to see in terms of retail?
>> MARK HUEY: I think a little different, a grocery
store, for example, a drugstore, those kind of
neighborhood services that people would come into an
urban environment and would love to be able to walk
and do.
Additional restaurants would be another type of retail
that I think would add to the urban life-style that
people want to enjoy and will enjoy over time in the
Channel District.
And we believe all of those things will come.
It's a matter of time.
And it's a matter for us now to see if there isn't a
way for us to maybe accelerate that time line a little
bit.
So those are the kinds of things we'll look at.
And part of what we come back to is a rather narrow
list of retail uses like that which we think would
contribute to the life-style that the early residents
who are coming into the district would enjoy and

benefit from.
And if we can accelerate that a little quicker than
the market might do otherwise.
>> One of the things that I know would be helpful to
people like a restaurant, for example, is if we can --
and something we have under the city's control -- is
to try and make the lives of investors and
entrepreneurs easier by making the permitting
smoother.
I know that when Fly opened they almost died going
through the permitting process.
And our codes are so suburban that it's virtually
impossible to approve the parking that's required,
everyone though we don't want people to park, we want
people to park or ride their bikes, but I think that's
stuff that we can do in-house to expedite people
getting their businesses up and running, which is
something that we have control over.
And I hope that's part of your thinking as well as
another incentive.
>>> Yes.
>> But that's something we really need to do, for

people wanting to do that kind of investment.
>>> We agree.
>>GWEN MILLER: Ms. Mulhern.
>>MARY MULHERN: I wanted just to say that I understand
that offering incentives to retailers is a complex
thing, and not necessarily that easy to do, but I
think Linda's question about what kind of businesses
they want, I think there's some really basic -- like a
coffee shop.
I mean, it's hard to imagine that we can't find a
local person.
I mean, you literally have a booth like they have over
at the convention center, a local coffee -- and
there's some things that it seems like we could -- we
should be working on, just basic things that, you
know, a booth and a table outside or something, you
know, really, really simple things.
And I think the other thing we really need to look at
is -- and I don't think I saw it in Ken's
suggestions -- and not just for Channelside but for
all of our urban redevelopment areas, all of the
CRAs, we should be working with some local banks and

financiers to provide some really good terms for small
business loans.
And I know -- I think the city did that years ago.
Maybe, Linda, did some of that.
But I know there were some businesses that opened
years and years ago that said they couldn't have done
it without just that also bit of help.
I hope we can look into that, too.
And the other thing I wanted to just respond to Linda,
that we need to work on the code, the parking code,
really for the whole city.
But if we start to maybe look at these areas, I think
it was fantastic that the mayor eliminated the
on-Street parking charges for Ybor City, and if we
just start to do things like that and work on that
within the CRA.
But we can do that as council, start looking at that
code.
I think that should be one of our goals.
>>> There are some actions taken that are very
helpful.
For example, in the Channel District, parking is not

required for restaurants or retail.
So that is put in place that helps make it more
affordable for those kinds of uses to come to the
district.
And we still need the parking.
Parking is needed.
But that burden hasn't been placed on the users, or
with the retailers.
So I think that's helpful.
>> And this is probably another thing we need to do as
council, that I know that it seems like the new
buildings -- Linda, you were talking about this,
too -- how the sidewalk is narrow.
And as we look at our code, and our planning, and
these zonings that come in front of us, an urban
setting just having a wide sidewalk, and the ability
to have, as I said, just any kind of business in
proximity, ability to see the historic retail areas,
that's a huge thing.
And I think with every development we see, we need to
look at that and make sure that we don't have those
dangerous tiny sidewalks.

And I know that a lot of that is the result of act out
but we need to work with them and make sure they are
not absorbing the sidewalks, public space and
right-of-way that we have been trying to encourage and
create.
>>MARK HUEY: Good observation.
Thank you.
>>GWEN MILLER: Anything else?
That's it?
>>LINDA SAUL-SENA: When we put this back on our agenda
next month for an update for how we are coming with
these initiatives, like the retail and --
>>MARK HUEY: Can I have 60 days?
>> Yes.
>> Second.
(Motion carried)
>>GWEN MILLER: We go to Drew Park strategic action
plan.
>>MARK HUEY: We have had, as you recall, the board
took an action some months ago to put on hold the land
use recommendations of the Drew Park strategic action
plan.

And we have been having a number of meetings in the
community and looking to provide you a next step
recommendation on those particular recommendations.
I would like Jeanette Fenton to come up at this time
and update you.
>>> Janette LaRussa Fenton, Drew Park CRA manager.
As you recall the last time this issue was brought
before you actually at CRA meeting we were directed
not to proceed with the land use and zoning portions
of our strategic action plan pending further study and
another community meeting.
We have had a lot of activity.
Certainly we are implementing other aspects of the
plan, the infrastructure improvement, the services,
adult use enforcement, working with new developments
and so forth.
So there is a lot of activity going on.
In terms of the land use and zoning portion, I think
Ms. Saul-Sena you said it very well at the last
meeting when you asked us to have a conversation with
the community about the proposed changes that have
generated some concern.

And we did that.
Prior to scheduling the large scale community meeting,
we felt the better approach would be to have more
dialogue in a small group setting.
And where we could have more discussion, more in-depth
give and take than you can have in that large public
meeting.
So hearing that, we gathered a group of business and
property owners with the emphasis on those that had
expressed problems and concerns in the past.
And had that in-depth conversation.
We also had individual discussion was people in the
industry, with real estate brokers, with lawyers,
property appraisers, developers and so forth to get
more insight from their perspective.
I think when we think back on the meetings that we had
with the business and property owners, I don't think
that we heard anything new that we haven't already
heard in terms of their objections.
The concern about converting industrial, and that
coexisting, even though they are grandfathered in with
other uses like commercial and residential and retail,

and can that really happen?
The restrictions on open storage, transportation
issues.
We heard virtually the same concerns that we had heard
before.
I think what we did gain were some stronger insights
on their views, and their feelings about the changes
that we are proposing, and specifically that the
business and property owners that had objections to
the land use changes really are thoroughly focused on
running their businesses day in and day out, being
able to operate their businesses, being able to expand
if they need to which would be cur tailed if they were
grandfathered in, and not necessarily -- they are not
necessarily focused on adding value or the big picture
of redevelopment in Drew Park.
The bottom line is their feeling is make Drew Park
better for us, for the people that are already here
and have been here, come in and do the infrastructure
improvements which they feel everybody very neglected.
Bring us services.
Clean the place up.

Give us more law enforcement particularly as it
relates to adult use.
Do those things, and not necessarily come in with some
of the sweeping land use changes.
So again, rather than go to a public meeting and what
we have already presented, the strategy now is having
our consultants at URS develop specific solutions to
all of the concerns that we have heard them
articulate.
It could be some innovative ways to address not being
able to have open storage in certain land use
categories.
There is going to be a whole menu of potential
solutions that we would present and work through with
city staff, with community stakeholders, certainly
with you as CRA members, so that we can get buy-in to
potential solutions and then go back and have a
community meeting where we are not just representing
what we already told them but presenting something
that says, yes, we heard your concerns, here are some
potential solutions, and get the buy-in so that we can
move forward.

So that is what we are undertaking now.
URS is working on those strategies and solutions.
You heard earlier, and you knew that we were
recognized as the Drew Park strategic action plan was
recognized for excellence by the Planning Commission,
and that -- we were very honored to get that
recognition.
I think the consultants at IRS presented a strategic
action plan that was very bold and aggressive and
focused on kick-starting redevelopment that would
increase TIF revenues and then be reinvested into the
community particularly for the stormwater project that
we are planning now.
And we are committed to working with the community and
making those improvements and that progress.
So lie forward to coming back to you shortly with
another update.
>>MARY MULHERN: I just wanted to kind of question.
You were talking about the community meetings and
getting buy-in.
But I think that what we were talking about as the CRA
board was questioning the entire concept, the

strategic action plan with an emphasis on residential,
for one thing.
And I think especially in light of what's happened
with the real estate and the economy, I think what we
were requesting questioning is illustrated by the fact
we had a plan that was not just overly ambitious, but
I think was not realistic, and it wasn't recognizing
the real value of what we had there in Drew Park,
which is light industrial and commercial and access to
the airport and all of those things.
I know that a lot of the -- and when you talk about
meeting with the -- I know meeting with the -- you
were talking about real estate community and the
investors, developers, and business owners.
The business owners are important, and I think, also,
I don't know how much outreach has been done, but to
the people who are renting there, because I think a
lot of that property is being rented out.
And I know people who would like to have their
businesses there and can't because the rents have gone
up.
And because there's a lack of space there for the kind

of work they want to do.
So I just want to be sure that URS is actually going
back and looking at that strategic action plan, not
just how to achieve those goals, but whether those
were the goals that we really wanted.
And I'm not sure I'm hearing that.
And I have a sense that we want that on council and I
know Mr. Miranda has agreed -- he's not here today but
he was in agreement on that, too.
>>> Certainly we understand that and we'll proceed in
that direction.
>>GWEN MILLER: Thank you, Mrs. Fenton.
Okay, Channelside district.
>>> We have approximately five, six months on art
consultant, who has been working an extensive project,
stakeholders, to try to understand how the arts and
creative industry can be -- help to energize the
redevelopment of the Channel District.
And you had one briefing, one introduction by the lead
consultant, and she is here again today to provide you
an interim report on the progress of her study and the
direction that that is taking.

So Leigh is here to update you.
Welcome, Leigh.
Glad to have you.
>> I'm Leigh Camullon and very glad to be back with
you.
We are about approximately a month away from wrapping
up our report.
But we are not going to be finalizing it without the
input from the council and looking forward to hearing
from the mayor, and of course our conversations with
the community are ongoing.
Our focus is on the Channel District's, naturally it's
impossible to look at one district without looking at
the entire city.
And I'm so impressed with what Tampa has done in the
last 10, 15 years.
There's an abundance of art here.
Just a great amount of culture.
So we see the Channel District really as a hub
within -- really within a central part of Tampa, Tampa
being the heart of the region.
And by the way, this region, Tampa Bay, received 5

million cultural visitors a year, twice as many people
have come to the region for the arts, but we do see
Tampa as the heart of the region, and Channel District
really has heart by the very nature of urban center,
in town, you know, the Channel District the hub to
downtown, Harbor Island, Tampa Heights.
This is really going to be a major urban draw.
So what we approached our problem in -- and we are
very keen on directing the problems but also focused
on key questions.
What are the economic goals and what are the
conditions?
And within the district, the goal, the major
overarching goal is to create an arts infrastructure,
one that has great sustainability, one that creates a
lot of investment and interest and energy.
Obviously in the last six months the economic charges
have changed a great deal, the legislative changes,
property tax changes, the real estate market, the
credit market has changed, everything.
However, for the arts economy, when the going gets
tough, the arts economy gets going.

So we really have an opportunity right now to take a
breather in a sense from an overheated real estate
market to really see how the arts can add to the
long-term investment strategy of the district.
We also asked ours it is question about what kind of
resources are available, and how can we leverage more
funding, especially in these days with very limited
and very tight public funding?
We really would like to see more investment from the
private corporate sector as well as the foundation
sector so we looked very carefully at the
philanthropic profile of the city and we also asked
ourselves, what kind of district are we going to
Croat?
And I am going to get back to that in a few minutes
because there are five types of districts that are
pretty accepted industry wide.
And we have the recommendation for the type of
district that we think would be very appropriate for
the Channel District.
How did we get to some of our conclusions? Well, we
really reached out to people of Tampa, and so many of

the ideas that we are going to be presenting in our
final report came from some of the residents here, and
from the arts organizations and the artists who are so
prominent here.
We held two public meetings.
We issued a survey, an Internet survey to about 2,000
people and we got about 6 hundred responses to that.
We interviewed about 70 individuals, both
individually, and one on one in our small focus
meetings, and these interviews are continuing, and
we'll continue those interviews until the ink is dry
on our report.
We also researched about 25 cities around the world to
just identify what the best practices are in other
cities.
What's succeeded in other cities in their arts
districts?
And we have selected five to produce or to present as
case studies.
Paducah has done an amazing job.
Toronto.
Pittsburgh.

Temple bar in Dublin.
And south bank in London.
And we thought these five choices really represent add
lot of the characteristics that would be very, very
fitting for the Channel District.
But we mentioned the five districts.
There are five types of districts.
And the five types ever generally accepted to be a
major arts institution district, very much what we
believe Avenue of the arts will become in Tampa.
There's also the old 1960s concept which is pretty
much out of favor today and that's the cultural
compound like Kennedy center in Washington.
These are cultural and very, very important economic
drivers but they tend to turn their back on the
communities and exclude rather than include.
Arts and entertainment district like Channelside, a
downtown district, very much like Tampa's downtown
with major arts institutions, and residents, and
restaurants are reemerging and really bringing
vitality to downtown.
There are models that we are going to recommend to you

for the Channel District, the cultural production
district.
Based on our conversations in the community and based
on our research this model really seems to be most
appropriate for the Channel District.
It really is a model that introduces a great deal of
diversity in terms of programming, in terms of the
kinds of artists who be would be there, the kinds of
people who would make work there, the kinds of
audiences, and particularly the kinds of businesses.
So, you know, we really see the cultural production
models being the one that most represent the ability
to introduce and maintain a creative industry hub in
the district.
So we are recommending, considering, and I hope you
will agree, these are actually pretty good ideas,
three pillars of that creative industry.
Tampa has what we feel is a dance community, there's a
great demand for dance education and dance culture.
And there is already in the district one or two dance
studios.
The Performing Arts Center started their first classes

in the Channel District, and they still have some
property there, and are thinking about the possibility
of creating a satellite there.
So we really think dance is a business, as a creative
industry pillar for Tampa.
But this could very nicely fit into a creative
industry hub in the district itself.
We are also very interested in seeing the kinds of
businesses.
I think the retail incentives that Mark was talking
about, we can help bring in some creative industry
partners like graphic designers.
In fact, innovation hangers is already in the
district, and they are doing very, very exciting
innovative things for people who have small graphics
designs businesses, movie making.
So we really would like to see a very broad
diversification, graphic design, professional craft
people, the convention center annually has conventions
for professional weavers and glassmakers.
And, you know, we have introduced the possibility of
working with the convention center to try to attract

those industries to the district.
And then finally one, the third pillar, which we are
still exploring, and we are scheduled to speak with
the Tampa institute of art, which has the only
accredited culinary program in the whole Tampa Bay
area.
So we are scheduled to see this Monday so we can see
about the possibility of introducing culinary arts as
the third pillar of our creative industry.
We also have some -- we are going to be introducing
some short-term ideas many of which we got from the
community, and ways to activate the streets.
Ken Stoltenberg has already stepped up to the plate
and coming up with ways to bring activity to the
streets so that people come to the streets, coming to
the district.
We also are recommending that the city as a whole take
a very comprehensive look at art, and the policy of
art, so that there aren't gaps.
We discovered a bit of a disconnect between arts and
audiences.
Artists and audiences, for example, that artists are

not feeling like the audiences know where they are,
and the audiences are not finding -- we are finding a
bit of a disconnect there, also between large
organizations and small organizations, and certainly
between the culture and philanthropic community
especially on the smaller organizations.
So we really want to promote a comprehensive policy
that's really shared by all sectors, all of the
sectors, public, private, corporate, foundation, are
all really contributing together and really
bringing -- the wagons forward together.
Finally, one of the other major things we want to help
accomplish is to attract not only Tampa-based
organizations into the district in either permanent
bases, temporary exhibit or programming basis, a
satellite basis, but also we are hoping to attract
organizations from outside Tampa as well.
We have already spoken to the center for Cuban study.
They are very interested in doing some exhibits of
Cuban artists in the Channel District, and the Emilio
Sanchez was a Cuban-born artist and his foundation,
they are going to be looking for a permanent home for

his work.
So we have opened up dialogue, they are very
interested in learning more about Tampa, and I
promised them that I would help open doors here for
them to speak to the right people here.
So I think they would be a fabulous addition to Tampa.
So I would like to open for discussion.
>>GWEN MILLER: Ms. Mulhern.
>>MARY MULHERN: Thank you, Leigh.
It's interesting to me when you talk about the three
pillars.
And you're from New York.
You live in New York?
>>> Yes.
>>MARY MULHERN: The way that our arts area, Ybor City,
and Channelside -- I once wrote a story about this,
but they kind of skipped the in-between part where you
go from being sort of an affordable, maybe not even
zoned for residential, where artists are living and
working, in spaces that they can afford, and then it
becomes a set place, and then you have this kind of
retail and business investment, and in Channelside,

like we skipped all of that and went to -- we skipped
everything affordable.
So when you talk about these pillars of dance, I think
that there's some women who own a building there.
>>> LOUISA?
>> LOUISA.
And spectrum video, they are still there.
They do films internationally for television.
And my question about the graphics.
The incubator, is that the building where all of the
graphic designers are located?
That's really great.
Is that new?
This.
>>> In the last six months, yes.
>> Six months?
That's good.
>>> I have to respond to something you just said, my
mother discovered, that apparently, babies, when they
are going through babyhood and toddlerhood, we have to
go through a phase of crawling and walking.
My baby sister walked before she crawled.

What my mother learned is that in fact she had to go
back and go through a crawling phase.
So, in a sense, that's what we are doing on the
Channel District.
We are going to go through the retail surge and really
begin to fill in that gap that you mentioned.
>> It sounds like this is part of your recommendation,
but my biggest thing is we can't lose any more people,
because we lost a lot of people were displaced because
they couldn't afford to stay there, because of the
real estate getting out of control, and we just have
to do whatever we can as far as incentives go.
Whatever we can do to keep people that are already
there, and, you know, reach out to these -- it's great
that you are looking to bring people in from outside.
But the artists that are there -- and I'm sure they
are doing -- just encourage them to bring more of
their contemporary, and this is another thing, and I
know your contract is for Channelside, but it's
interesting to me that because you started with dance
and graphics, and Channelside was really, seemed to me
like the fine artist that is were there were visual

artists.
But, on the other hand, that's what Ybor City used to
be that.
So as we are deciding who we want to attract as far as
the cultural arts, we can't just look at Channelside,
but we have to look at, like you said, part of this
whole downtown.
Maybe if we are going to go in a direction of graphics
and commercial creative industry there, then maybe we
should be working in Ybor for economic people, trying
to make that again the visual arts place that it used
to be, although I think that was broader, but there
were a lot of artists there.
>>> I think that makes sense, that you really don't
want one community competing with another community.
That's why we are seeing this great urban center of
all of these communities really blended together, and
certainly complementing each other.
>> I think it's something we need to talk about since
we are at the infant, cruising stage.
But I think organically the way that cities that have
had healthy arts districts, you started at one point,

people were living in Soho artists.
>>> My grandmother had a Boston Soho for $250 a month.
>> Right.
You know, in 20 years, lower east side, even in
Brooklyn.
So we need to think about that.
Where do we want to start this?
And then maybe migrate from one area to the other.
I guess in a way a big problem that we have with all
these possibilities.
But somehow, you know, to talk about incentives,
somehow we have to make it somewhere affordable for
actual artists.
And for not for profits.
Otherwise, nothing is ever going to get started and no
one is going to stay here.
>>> We are very strongly in favor of increasing the
kind of technical assistance that's available to small
organizations, so that they really learn once and for
all how to be good business people and how to keep
themselves going over a long period of time.
And we also see affordability is very much a key

factor.
And affordability in terms of affordability to house
artists is a very, very important aspect of what the
city needs to look at going forward, you know, whether
it's in the district per se or in Ybor City.
It almost doesn't matter.
What really matters is that there's an affordability
component that can be directed to artists.
It raises all other kinds of questions about
preference and so on that also have to be addressed.
It not a straightforward answer but it's certainly one
that the city as a am want to evaluate very carefully.
>>CHAIRMAN: Ms. Saul-Sena.
>>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Great point.
Really great point.
I agree with you about the things you said, Mary.
And I think that was a great presentation.
Right now, we don't have on the city staff anywhere
anybody to provide this technical assistance.
When we wrote the Channel District plan 16 years ago,
one of the things that we built into it -- I modeled
it on Vancouver, one of the only areas in town where

artists can live and work with things like metal or
ceramics, or glass, something that's funky industrial,
because you have the zoning that allows that.
It's a very broad zoning and I want to make sure we
don't lose track of that.
But I think the part of our thinking should be as we
move forward and get your plan that we need a staff
person to make sure this happened.
I'll give you an example.
Yesterday I was in a meeting and I got a call from a
desperate friend who said we are trying to film a
Lexus commercial and we have just not gotten
permission, we have been kicked out from where we are
going to film it, and if we can get this permission at
the port we can keep, you know, five camera people
hear for a week.
And I was able to, you know, desperately call, and it
happened, which was great, because creative industry
is money coming to the City of Tampa.
But there needs to be a staff person to do that,
because council members aren't always, you know,
accessible on a dime, and that's the kind of thing we

used to have in Paul well born creative industries, we
don't have now, and we need somebody to be that
advocate for the artist and to bring industries in,
and to be able to cut a deal with some of the
developers.
I mean, Ken Stoltenberg is in the audience.
He's putting a nonprofit theater in the bottom of one
of his residential high-rises.
We need to have the empty bottom floors of these
buildings used by artists.
And I wondered, have you talked to any of the property
owners of empty --
>>> Actually, yes, Ken Stoltenberg.
>> But beyond Ken.
Have you talked to anybody else?
>>> Yes.
Who purchased the condominiums at 1,000 Channelside.
And he's also very enthusiastic.
I also want to mention a couple of other models.
It doesn't necessarily have to be -- to be a city
employee.
There is an organization called independence film

production, IFP.
What they do is they link film makers with landlords
and they find cheap, short-term leases anywhere from 2
to 12 months, just for the duration of these
productions.
And it's a much more fluid operation than in the old
days, and people can do this production.
So that's one organization that's a nonprofit.
Another nonprofit that I know of was links artists
with vacancies, so that they find these short-term,
you know, low cost or no cost studio space for
artists.
Maybe that's better left in the nonprofit realm than
in the public realm.
But they will a lot more flexibilities on how to
operate.
I also just want to mention the business committee of
the arts, I'm meeting with Melinda tomorrow to see how
that works and a little more aggressive in the
corporate community.
There's also an opportunity for business people to
mentor small arts organizations and artists in terms

of business management skills.
>>MARY MULHERN: I think we probably could use an
employee since Linda and I are like -- you're here, we
are desperate for help.
In arts and culture.
But one of the things I was thinking of, and Linda
brought that up, that we don't have a person in that
position at this point, is as you are looking at the
city, Paducah, and Toronto, and Pittsburgh, and
Dublin, what do those cities have in place as far as
staff and infrastructure to build that?
And I think we definitely need to work toward that
here, and I know we are not in a great place
budgetwise, but we need to look at -- you know, we can
have all these great ideas, and we don't have, you
know, once you're done with your project, there's not
anyone to implement them city-wide, or even CRA-wide.
It's just, you know, okay, great idea, who is going to
do it?
Ken.
We have Ken Stoltenberg.
So that would be helpful.

If you could even give us number of staff people or
department head or something like that so we have an
idea how that gets built from the municipal side.
>>> I share your concern, by the way.
I hate studying things that don't get results.
There is a model for creating an LDC similar to the
downtown partnership.
Over time that would be the model that we probably
will recommend.
>> And having worked in the arts for most of my adult
life, it's interesting that the public perception of
is always that, oh, like I worked at a museum and
people thought, what do you do?
Are there really jobs there?
It's like, well, there is a misperception that art is
somehow the thing that doesn't need to work as a
business basically, that everything will just happen.
And not realizing that, you know, it takes all the
same economic engine to make it happen.
>>> Very unique other challenges.
>> But one thing I was going to say, Michael or Mark
Huey could do this, as far as those organizations that

you were talking about, the film, and the artist link,
at least we could have that on our arts and culture
web page, some link, you know, to somehow start to
offer some connection from the city, and for people to
work here.
>>> Uh-huh.
>>GWEN MILLER: Thank you.
We appreciate that report.
>>> Thank you for your time.
>>GWEN MILLER: We will now have public comments.
Anyone in the public that would like to speak.
>>> My name is mark you will mer.
I actually live in one of Ken's properties and was
recently elected to the Board of Directors.
I'm here today because I was hoping to get -- part of
the CRA board, and went to the informal meeting, and I
met the city attorney.
I met Mr. Huey and Mrs. Fenton, I believe it was, and
just getting information, I noticed that you had a
date that was January 30th, whatever the date was
for the hearing.
And it didn't mention that it was a mandatory meeting

to be there present and selected.
I had a prior engagement with the V.A.
Anyone who has dealt with the V.A. it's a difficult
thing to reschedule.
I would just ask that you look again to see if there's
some way to either add another person, just for the
fact, this is something I have been working on.
I chose Tampa as my home 20 years ago when I was in
the military, was a best man, came here, fell in love
with the weather and everything, and I have taken the
last five years to move down here just so I know
what's going on in the Channel District waiting for
our property to be done so I think that I am qualified
and have an ear, especially with the Board of
Directors with 400 units.
And my only concern -- and it's only been at one point
on it was the number one criteria when we asked about
who could be or who should be on the board was -- and
let me quote it right from the book, the
qualifications to serve -- committee members must live
or work in the redevelopment area, and/or have
significant interests within this area.

And I wouldn't be here if I got this list from Mr.
Chen who said I wasn't selected and two of the members
were at-large.
So just based on that, and something really important
to me and I would like your consideration to be added
to the board.
>>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Mr. Territo, on many of our boards
we have alternates.
Could we add this gentleman as an alternate?
Because my gut is we don't have perfect attendance at
every meeting.
>>SAL TERRITO: Right now you don't have that
provision.
>> How would we do it?
>>> Change your bylaws to deal with that issue.
You can do what you want to do.
You are changing a structure that was voted on by the
entire board.
And four members --
>> Nobody has ever asked before.
Frankly, I know that oftentimes quorums are an issue
and that alternates are a useful way of making sure

there's a quorum.
>>> You have to make a decision whether you make that
person a voting member, nonvoting member.
There's a lot of other issues involved besides just
adding an alternate.
You have to have an outline of what authority.
>> Perhaps what you could do is maybe the appropriate
thing to do since you brought this up is for you to
come back at our next CRA meeting with some decision
points, and we can consider them at that time.
>>GWEN MILLER: Ms. Mulhern.
>>MARY MULHERN: My thought was along those lines, but
I think we need all the help we can get.
Especially in Channelside.
And I don't see why we couldn't just at least look
into adding two more members.
Because I think we had -- did we have other members
that weren't -- or other applicants that weren't
included?
>>> As I understand it was me and the other at-large.
That was in the meeting mentioned to me later, yes,
that I was aware of.

>> To me that kind of makes more sense.
Then we wouldn't have to get into the whole discussion
of an alternate and who can vote, and we wouldn't have
to remove anyone who volunteers to be on the board.
So I would like to suggest that.
>>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I'll second the motion.
>>GWEN MILLER: We have a motion and second.
(Motion carried)
>>> Thank you very much.
>>GWEN MILLER: Thank you.
>> Spencer Cass, 1001 North Howard Avenue.
I would like to very quickly address Drew Park.
First I wanted to thank you and your staff for sending
people out to talk to everybody out there.
As you know, our company has -- we do commercial
vending.
There were three deals we were in the process when you
originally passed the economic development plan.
And we had absolutely no choice but to not lend on
those properties.
There are a lot of business owners that are really
suffering out there.

They want to expand.
They want to make their neighborhoods better.
But because there is no access to funds because the
rules that are currently in place -- and I understand
you have suspended those rules as they relate to
property.
That is not sufficient for me to lend my personal
money out.
I won't put my money at risk at the whim of whatever
is decided down the road.
If you want to help these people today, you don't have
to wait for a URS study.
Today you can take that section and throw it out.
>> Which section?
>> It's the entire section where we talk about land.
That's what you should do, take it, throw it in the
garbage, start all over again.
I know a lot of work was put in and time spent but
these guys are not able to expand, they are not able
to do anything and they have absolutely no access to
money.
And at a time where real estate prices are falling and

the city is losing jobs, we are stopping people from
having employment opportunities, and it's a very
disruptive thing that's going on.
But I did want to thank staff for at least giving
everybody out there the opportunity to speak.
The second thing as relates to economic development,
when I was down here last time at CRA, City Council
will be considering an increase in garbage fees.
Councilman Miranda pointed out it's a very regressive
tax.
I haven't seen any economic analysis done for you in
your CRA areas to show what the effects of these rate
increases will do in these neighborhoods.
It hasn't been considered in any of the URS studies
and I think it's something very important.
You have people on fixed income, people earning
minimum wage, and the small increases where everybody
says a dollar, five dollars, whatever it is, you are
adding an extra hour of week or hour a month for these
people, single moms who are trying to take care of
kids, this is a very difficult situation and I don't
think this has been fully thought through and that you

have received the information that the CRA needs
separately to make a decision as to whether you want
to recommend basically yourselves or City Council if
it's something that should be adopted. Given that we
spend so much money on economic plans not to consider
all the economic impacts, I don't know why we are not
doing it.
Thank you.
>>MARY MULHERN: I had a question for you, Spencer.
Could you elaborate, on the Drew Park issue, explain
to me exactly what you are asking us to do.
>>> The entire section of the Drew Park plan that
calls for changes to land use categories, that calls
for basically if you don't continue using your
business for that purpose for -- that entire section
be wiped out of the plan.
Permanently removed, not put on a back burner, not
thought about, but completely and totally eliminated
from the plan.
>>MARY MULHERN: Let me ask you another question, or
just make a suggestion, about the garbage rate study.
We have a brand new solid waste director.

So we'll talk -- I'll talk to her, and we'll ask for
that.
There are a lot of things that we can look at.
Not just how it is at CRA, but I'm ready to make a
motion to remove that land use proposal changes from
the CRA strategic action plan.
>>GWEN MILLER: We can't do that.
We can't just make a motion and remove it.
Mr. Huey, would you please come up and speak to that?
>> MARK HUEY: I think the report was very complete in
terms of where we are in reviewing that.
We have put it on hold.
Spencer was part of the meeting that she described.
So our next step is to develop solutions, and it would
involve changing the recommendations that are in the
plan, and that is the track that we are on, and we
will go out, and with those recommendations as we
receive them from our consultant, we will meet again
with Spencer and others in the community, the broader
community, to bring back a formal recommendation to
you.
>>THOMAS SCOTT: That would be what I suggest, that

when wait to follow the process we are in now as
opposed to changing kind of in the middle of the
stream.
We need to be very careful.
And let me just say this, council.
And I respect public comment, but you cannot react to
every comment without getting the data and the facts
and the information.
But we may want to look at what are the repercussions,
what is there now, what is URS doing and what are the
committee recommendations?
So I just want to caution you to be very without, you
know, acting kind of on the spur of the moment.
And so --
>>MARY MULHERN: You weren't here earlier.
Because I was talking about all these things.
And I was talking --
>>THOMAS SCOTT: I was in the back, though.
They have a television back there.
>>MARY MULHERN: And we have been talking about this
since you and I have been on council.
So that's been a good year.

And I don't think we have made a lot of progress.
So when did you -- are you coming back in 60 days?
Is that what we decided?
>>> 60 days is reasonable.
If we are going to have a large community meeting, we
won't be able to organize that in 30.
>>MARY MULHERN: Did we put that on the agenda already?
>>LINDA SAUL-SENA: No.
>>MARY MULHERN: I change my motion to come back in 60
days and talk about -- I'd like to hear what --
address why we can't just remove that from those land
use changes from the strategic action plan, like not
just, you know, meeting with people and talking about
solutions.
That's a solution that I'm proposing that we look at.
>>MARK HUEY: In 60 days we would plan -- to the extent
we can agree on them our goal would be to have
replacement recommendations.
More than just striking, but really to revisit based
on all of the concerns we had, and the extent we can
build consensus around solutions to the problem that
have been raised, we would bring those forward.

And I don't know that we will be able to but that is
our goal within 60 days.
>> Are you going to continue to work with the
community and the property owners?
>>> Oh, absolutely.
They are the stakeholders that we have to rally around
solutions.
So that's why 30 days would not be possible.
But I think within 60 days.
>>MARY MULHERN: I hope we will be able to make some
decisions at that point.
And I had a question for Sal.
Did I get a second?
>>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Second.
>>MARY MULHERN: Come back in 60 days if we didn't
already vote on this.
>>LINDA SAUL-SENA: What you come back with would be
like plan A and plan B options so we can move in some
direction.
It seems like one of the issues of the community is
lack of -- lack of specificity, and don't feel
comfortable because people don't know.

So maybe there are three options.
Maybe there's residential, combination, and as is.
And we choose among those.
In other words, come back to us with some specific
choices that we can make rather than having to give
you another 30 days then to write something else.
>>MARY MULHERN: Okay.
>>> Our goal will be to present one solution that we
have consensus from business owners and others that
this is a workable response to the issues that they
have been very candid in sharing with us.
And so they have been very specific on their issues,
and we want to be very specific on our responses.
And that is our goal.
Whether we will get there or not, I don't know.
But our goal will be in 60 days to have a
recommendation to you on how to proceed and move
forward.
And not to keep it on hold.
>>GWEN MILLER: So you need to meet with the majority
of the people in Drew Park.
We don't want a few people to say this is what we want

to do and then take it up.
I want the majority of the people to be there and say
this is what we want.
If they don't want it, we shouldn't put it up.
>>> There you go.
Okay.
>>GWEN MILLER: Question on the motion?
We have a motion and second.
All in favor say Aye.
Opposed, Nay.
>>MARY MULHERN: But I go have a question of Mr.
Territo, had I had support on my original motion.
Is that for us at CRA board, we are writing this
policy, right?
We have to adopt the strategic action plan.
So it is up to us.
It's not a City Council thing.
>>SAL TERRITO: Of course, the only thing I would raise
if you are going to make that kind of drastic change,
you want to give a chance to have the public know that
you are going to be giving that kind of change so it
will be a publicly noticed hearing so you get all

sides, not just one side.
But it is your call.
It's going to be your decision, the final decision.
>>GWEN MILLER: Next speaker?
>>> Susan Maddon.
I live in the Channel District.
Kennedy.
On the issue of parks.
Just ask that the city follows through with the plan
on the land between Madison and Twiggs Street in the
district.
I think it would be an asset to the community.
>>GWEN MILLER: Thank you.
>> And welcome to the Channel District.
>>GWEN MILLER: Next speaker.
>>> Dennis Maddon.
I'm here for the same reason.
Earlier, I heard someone describe what the developers
do and the gift to the city.
I'm just asking for that gift to be passed a long to
the residents and that park be completed.
Thank you.

>>CHAIRMAN: Thank you.
Next speaker.
>>> I'm Al Davis.
And I'm a stakeholder, property owner, and a resident
of the East Tampa community redevelopment area.
I presume each of you has a copy of the memorandum
that was provided through the courtesy of the
secretary.
>>GWEN MILLER: Yes, we have it.
>> Thank you.
Madam Chairman, I would appreciate it very much if the
request for an opinion be provided those two items,
and even though I had said 60 days, it would be all
right if you do it less than 60 days.
So I would request that the board undertake this as an
item of an agenda so that we may have an opportunity
to address a concern that the legal opinion may
entail.
One other thing, Madam Chairman.
I need to be educated.
I hear the term "community."
I hear the term "stakeholder."

I hear the term "resident."
And I am not sure if those terms is specific.
Are they in general?
For example, I hear sometimes you say get the
community input.
I don't know, unless you have defined what you mean by
community, whose input you are expecting.
Also, I hear the term neighborhood.
I'm not certain if that's general or is it specific?
I don't know if I'm out of my neighborhood or somebody
else's neighborhood.
I don't know if it's my community or somebody else's
community unless I know people around what that term
means.
Would you want to educate me now, Madam Chairman?
>>THOMAS SCOTT: Let me suggest that he finish his
three minutes.
>>GWEN MILLER: Okay.
Are you finished?
>>> Yes, ma'am.
>>GWEN MILLER: Okay.
>>SAL TERRITO: Of the CRA board and the advisory body

that you have, it's up to you to open up their
meetings to whoever wants to come down and speak so
there's really no easy answer to say, where I come
from with neighborhood, as long as those meetings are
open to the public, and anyone can come down and speak
at those meetings, then he has a right to speak at
those meetings and the right to speak at this meeting,
and there are no limitations on his ability to do
these things.
That's all you can do.
You can't require them to take a specific amount of
information for a specific person.
You open it up to the public and you have an
opportunity to speak, the advisory body, and have an
opportunity to speak to you.
That's all you can do and they have to make a decision
and you have to make a decision on how much weight to
give that consideration.
There is no really easy what I to answer them.
>>MARY MULHERN: I think Mr. Dave's question was
relating to the actual forum, so if you have
qualifications, I think that's a legitimate question,

to be on the advisory board.
Is that what you were -- I think that's what he was
asking.
>>SAL TERRITO: I don't believe he's a member of the
advisory board.
I don't know how that happened, if.
If he didn't run for it or he wasn't chosen.
But he has a rate to go to the board.
And that's an amorphous term.
If he wants to have input on what it is he's concerned
about he goes to the advisory board meetings or comes
down as he's done today and tells you what it is he
wants.
But we haven't defined those terms like stakeholder.
What we try to do is have a broader representation on
each of the committees, you made the choice of who
those people would be, they made some recommendations
to you and that's all you can really do.
There are always going to be people who feel like they
are left out and there's a lot we can do about it kept
give the opportunity to speak to you after speaking to
the advisory bodies.

>>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Mr. Davis, I want to say thanks for
writing something large enough for me to see it.
I really appreciate it.
I would like to make a motion that legal report back
to us in 30 days.
>>SAL TERRITO: May I make a suggestion?
I know this is not going to be very popular.
We can't be giving legal opinions every time someone
from the public asks them.
We do not work for the public in that respect.
My recommendation to you obviously if you want
metropolitan to do that you can get a majority of the
board to do that.
If I can answer these questions without come back at a
later date.
>> They are very germane.
>>> They are germane but we can't as a staff be
answering every person's in the public request for a
legal opinion.
We don't have a large enough staff.
>> Thank you.
>>> I'm just putting that as a background.

>>GWEN MILLER: I would suggest, Mr. Territo, you and I
get together and go over these suggestions.
>>SAL TERRITO: I can't answer these right now.
-
They are very germane and I can answer them for you.
I am saying the generality.
>> Could you answer the question?
>>> The East Tampa advisory committee is a distinct
advisory committee because the organization has been
chosen to be your advisory committee is mentioned in
the East Tampa community redevelopment plan.
It's a different kind of animal than your other CRAs
because you don't have that provision in there.
So the question is, can you choose these people to be
your advisory committee?
Not only can you, but you are required to because the
plan requires it.
That answer it is first question.
Yes, you can.
So I don't remember the next question.
And you can choose, if you wish, that advisory body
that you have chosen, can choose their own membership.

Understand that that organization has several hats
that it wears.
One of them is as your advisory committee.
If you chose, could you take the input because you are
required to under your CRA plan and you can choose the
other advisory committee if you wanted to do that.
You have chosen not to do. That you have chosen the
one that's in your plan.
How they choose their membership is up to you.
If you have a problem with the way they issue the
membership, then some other comment or function has to
be given to them because they are performing more than
one function.
They perform their own function for the neighborhood.
They have other duties they perform.
When they are acting as your advisory committee you
have chosen to allow them to choose their own
membership.
But they are coming to you, and if you have a problem
with a particular member, it's within your ability to
say, I do not want that person on that committee
serving as part of our advisory committee.

You do have that option.
>>THOMAS SCOTT: But required to submit to us their
slate before they have their election.
We ratify or we approve their slate of those persons
that are going to vote.
And we did that, so if there is a question about
anybody that you could address that.
So I just want to --
>>> As they have already chosen their slate.
Last time they brought it to you and you chose to
accept it.
When the elections come up in December they are going
to bring another slate to you and you have the
opportunity not for the organization itself which you
have no real control over, as your advisory body being
you can say I want those people as part of that
organization that provides us with input of the
advisory body.
Do you have that option.
>>GWEN MILLER: Is that okay, Mr. Davis?
>>> Al Davis: Madam Chairman, I hope that the request
for legal opinion was not misconstrued.

What we have in East Tampa CRA is -- and I am going to
use the term "partnership."
That partnership bylaws, that's something I don't
think the attorney has gotten a chance yet to
scrutinize and review and see how convoluted, how
unclear the things the CAC is supposed to be doing,
and what the partnership, unlike Ybor City, or Ybor.
They are incorporated.
They are protected.
And in addition, they are a 501(c)3.
But the partnership is not.
And I'm concerned about the connotation that could be
considered.
If indeed such should occur.
Now, I do understand, I believe I do very clearly,
your policy of CAC but then what I fail to understand,
and I accept it, your decision to allow the
partnership, to go back to you.
But I'm afraid, Madam Chairman, unless that
partnership is sanctioned and protected, then somebody
could be possibly liable.
>>GWEN MILLER: Thank you.

Next speaker.
>>> Michael farmer, planning evaluation for East Tampa
partnership.
I'm here, but city staff has a question on your
recommendation to add four additional spots to the
advisory committee.
I believe the staff is concerned about the business,
how many business people that qualify, and because we
have two business people on there now, and they are
nonprofit, so I guess there needs to be a qualified --
a clarification as far as what constitutes a business
person that would be applying for the position of the
business, not profit or any type of businesses.
>>GWEN MILLER: Mr. Territo?
>>SAL TERRITO: This is the first I heard this issue.
I'm not sure I'm sure.
Are you asking as a nonqualifier of a business?
Or would it have to be a not profit-making business?
>> Exactly.
>> I think either one would qualify.
>>> Thank you.
>>GWEN MILLER: Would anyone else like to speak?

Okay.
We go to item number 10 through 18.
We have some resolutions that we need to pass.
Can I get a motion?
>> So moved.
>> Second.
>>GWEN MILLER: We have a motion and second.
(Motion carried)
Item number 19.
Minutes.
>> Move approval.
>> Second.
(Motion carried).
>>GWEN MILLER: Number 20.
Mr. Huey.
>>MARK HUEY: Number 20 relate to our annual report.
Each of you received a copy from Bonnie Wise's office.
You will be getting more copies in case you would like
to didn't them to guests that visit with you.
This is a report that fulfills a couple things.
It fulfills state regulation busy reporting on the use
of TIF resources.

We provided to all of the taxing municipalities.
As importantly it's our accountability report.
It answers the question for all of us of what we have
accomplished in the past year to move our
redevelopment areas forward.
And so it sites all of the wonderful work from
downtown to East Tampa to Drew Park that's going on,
and we appreciate all your roles in helping make that
happen.
And today your role is simply to receive and accept
the annual report.
>>THOMAS SCOTT: So moved.
>> Second.
>>GWEN MILLER: Motion and second.
(Motion carried)
Any highlights?
>> MARK HUEY: I think that concludes all of our agenda
through today.
>>THOMAS SCOTT: Madam Chair, I just want to take the
opportunity to thank Mr. Huey and his staff for this
pastier doing an excellent job in working with this
council, and also when I rayed the issue way back when

I was on the county, and subsequent to annual reports,
and following the statute, which is required, and a
very good report, very nice, and just wanted to take
the opportunity publicly to thank you, and all of
those who really worked hard.
I want to say, also, and are not here, Mr. Davis come
forth and others coming forth, this is a work in
progress.
Please understand that.
It is a work in progress.
What is it, nine CRAss that we have?
Some of them have been there awhile.
Some are just starting.
You are getting people who are volunteers, are not
getting paid, and it's a lot of work.
So we have to learn how to be patient and work with
these people and to help them as we move along, you
know.
And I just want us to understand it is a work in
progress, believe me.
East Tampa had, what, 26 more years with this?
Just be mindful it's a work in progress.

We are going to get there together.
>>MARK HUEY: With that in maned, Reverend Scott, if I
can say on behalf of the staff how much we appreciate
your leadership of the work in progress.
The -- you moved the redevelopment agency very far
forward and we appreciate your fine leadership.
>>GWEN MILLER: Mrs. Saul-Sena.
>>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I think that giving the CRA a
morning to really chew on these issues has been very
helpful.
Additional time to go out, to go deeper in depth.
For our next CRA meeting I had two requests of the
staff.
One is that when we hire cults as a CRA develops plans
or whatever, it goes through the staff to -- and I
sometimes feel as if it would be helpful if the
individual member were interested, if we could be
engaged along the way, and see things in the draft, or
in a more malleable form.
So my request would be if we come to you and say as a
CRA member I want to see all the thinking that went
into a product, it would be helpful.

Because sometimes when it comes here, it's almost -- I
feel like it would be helpful to see it in a process
form.
You know how they would talk about 30, 60 and 90 in
terms of production.
I would like to see things with 60%.
And I would like to be see definitions of what the
staff does, or a chart.
Maybe that was part of a previous thing.
But I know we have for the different districts, we
have different staff members.
And that would be helpful.
I think you have actually already provided that to us.
But there's been some staff changes.
And if could you provide that, that would help.
>>> I can provide that at the next meeting.
>>GWEN MILLER: Anything else?
>>THOMAS SCOTT: Just in terms I think is very
important from my perspective.
I think when we convene as a CRA, Madam Chair, I think
it's important that the vice chairman sit to
chairman's right, and that would be you, me, the vice

chair Mulhern, and then move to the last Sean seat.
And that's the way it should be done.
I would appreciate it if the clerk would bring as
such.
We only meet once a month.
So it's really not that much of an inconvenience and
it should be done that way.
>> So move over here, you won't be on TV.
[ Laughter ]
>>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I see you.
I see you on TV.
>>> There we go.
Information from council members?
>>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I think you all received an e-mail
from Janell Hanson.
There's been a lot of confusion about the stakeholders
meetings and the stakeholder district, who is a
stakeholder, when do they meet.
It's much easier to meet at the time when people are
used to me meeting which is 6:45 instead of 5:30.
There's been a lot of confusion about who should be
included.

So I would like to meet with the staff the next month
and see if we can't clarify who and when to make this
as broad and comfortable and engaged a group of people
as we can.
I was very encouraged at this meeting to see several
residents of the Channel District.
This is exciting, you know.
It's a group that's growing, and we want to engage
people and make it as user friendly as possible.
To that end, I will meet with staff and try to see if
we can get to the bottom of the questions she raised
in her -- and I'll give the clerk a copy of it.
>>GWEN MILLER: Anything else?
>> Move to receive and file.
>> Yes.
(Motion carried).
>>GWEN MILLER: CRA stands adjourned.
(CRA Meeting adjourned at 10:54 a.m.)





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