TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
Thursday, April 8, 2010
6:00 p.m. session
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17:15:14 >> Tampa City Council will officially come to order.
18:03:30 Thank you for your patience.
18:03:32 I do apologize.
18:03:33 For getting started.
18:03:37 And we'll have our roll call.
18:03:40 [Roll Call]
18:03:44 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Here.
18:03:46 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Here.
18:03:48 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Here.
18:03:49 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Here.
18:03:50 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you.
18:03:54 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: We need to open the first public
18:03:57 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Yes.
18:03:57 >> So moved.
18:03:58 >> Second.
18:03:59 >> All in favor signify by saying aye.
18:04:02 >> Item 127.
18:04:06 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Okay.
18:04:08 >> Good evening, members of Council.
18:04:09 Tony Garcia.
18:04:12 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Good evening, Mr. Garcia.
18:04:13 >> Good evening to you, sir.
18:04:14 Glad to be here.
18:04:15 In consideration of time, I will make my comments brief
18:04:23 regarding this particular topic.
18:04:26 What you have before you is a text amendment we had
18:04:29 sent out a little bit earlier.
18:04:31 This was heard March the 8th in this body -- this was
18:04:37 actually heard August the 10th in front of the Planning
18:04:42 This was moved forward to you for transmittal, text
18:04:45 change regarding the Tampa Port Authority master plan
18:04:48 as you see on the Elmo in front of you.
18:04:50 These are text amendments to the Tampa Port Authority
18:04:53 master plan.
18:05:00 It is hard to look down, and look up.
18:05:02 Thank you.
18:05:03 So this is basically updating text that we had that was
18:05:07 existing in the old plan when we did the new plan.
18:05:09 There was a logistics problem on getting the new port
18:05:14 master plan policy in, since the new port master plan
18:05:17 was adopted on July 17, 2008.
18:05:19 So it really didn't sync right as when your actual new
18:05:23 comprehensive plan was adopted.
18:05:27 Key areas assessed in doing the text amendments were
18:05:30 land use, economic development, intergovernmental
18:05:32 coordination, mobility and environmental safety.
18:05:35 So as a result of negotiations and various meetings we
18:05:39 had with the consultant with the Tampa Port Authority,
18:05:41 we were able to establish some new policies that
18:05:44 strengthen the overall mission objective for the port
18:05:46 and the port master plan.
18:05:48 Just so you can see, as shown over here, here's the
18:05:56 port area.
18:05:57 We know the port has evolved into having more
18:05:59 entertainment areas and they're always evolving into
18:06:04 more container type and storage type of usage.
18:06:07 And also, what's considerably important as it relates
18:06:12 to the evolution of the Channel District is the
18:06:16 establishment of residential and mixed use and
18:06:19 entertainment uses in the Channel District also.
18:06:21 We have received comments and city also received
18:06:25 comments from the departments of community affairs.
18:06:27 They had no objections regarding the proposed text
18:06:30 We're here this evening to formally ask for you
18:06:32 adoption of these text amendments.
18:06:34 And that concludes my presentation.
18:06:36 Thank you.
18:06:37 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you.
18:06:37 Any questions?
18:06:39 We take comments from the public.
18:06:41 Anyone from the public wish to address Council on item
18:06:45 >> Move to close.
18:06:46 >> Second.
18:06:47 >>THOMAS SCOTT: All in favor signify by saying aye.
18:06:51 >> Move first adoption public hearing.
18:06:55 >> Moved and second by Councilman Miranda.
18:06:58 Second by Councilman Saul-Sena.
18:07:01 >> Chairman, move ordinance amending the City of Tampa
18:07:03 comprehensive plan to make a change to the text for
18:07:06 chapter 3, constructing growth of livability addressing
18:07:10 the port of Tampa and port master plan, providing for
18:07:15 repeal of all ordinances in conflict, providing for
18:07:17 severability, providing for an effective date.
18:07:19 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Moved and second.
18:07:21 All in favor signify by saying aye.
18:07:25 >> Motion carried with Miller and Mulhern being absent.
18:07:29 Second reading adoption will be on May the 6th at
18:07:33 9:30 a.m.
18:07:34 >>THOMAS SCOTT: For the product, take care of that.
18:07:38 One item, Council one Miller sent a men ram dumb
18:07:42 stating she'll be an sen from this evening meeting due
18:07:45 to a previously scheduled out of town engagement.
18:07:48 Please read the reason from her absence into the
18:07:51 So thank you.
18:07:52 Okay, item 2?
18:07:56 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: May I ask a quick question?
18:07:58 Thank you.
18:07:58 I have a question.
18:07:59 On something that we just voted upon, if somebody
18:08:07 hasn't already applied for a permit to build something,
18:08:09 which is in conflict with what we're voting on now,
18:08:13 what is the time frame of this being enacted?
18:08:16 And how will it affect -- how will it affect future
18:08:21 I'm specifically looking, just for the sake of
18:08:23 conversation, at page 3, under E 2, ground floor
18:08:28 parking, which fronts on Franklin Street and parking
18:08:32 garages is prohibited along Franklin Street.
18:08:35 So if somebody doesn't yet have permission to do that,
18:08:39 how quickly will this be enacted?
18:08:42 >> The second reading for today's agenda, I'd have to
18:08:46 ask the clerk when the second reading is.
18:08:49 >> May 6th.
18:08:50 >> This is going to take effect immediately upon,
18:08:52 becoming law.
18:08:54 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: So somebody doesn't yet have
18:08:56 permission to allow them to do something that's
18:08:58 prohibited here, then they can't do it?
18:09:01 >> If they have applied for permits to do something,
18:09:04 they fall under the old rule.
18:09:06 Whatever the old rule.
18:09:07 If they have already made applications to the city to
18:09:09 construct something, they would be making application
18:09:12 under the current rule today.
18:09:13 If they haven't applied yet, this becomes law and then
18:09:17 they apply, then the new rule applies.
18:09:20 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Thank you.
18:09:21 >> You're welcome.
18:09:24 >> Question, or clarification.
18:09:26 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Councilmen.
18:09:29 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Ding Mr. She will be, how about, the
18:09:32 attending ordinance doctrine, how would you say this
18:09:35 applies to Miss Saul-Sena's inquiry?
18:09:41 >> Depending -- well, I mean in other words --
18:09:45 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I think her question was if somebody
18:09:46 came in light now, in between, something like that.
18:09:49 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: That was exactly my question, thank
18:09:50 you, Mr. Dingfelder.
18:09:54 >> Ordinance doctrine is really kind of a defensive
18:09:59 mechanism of a government when they're going through
18:10:02 the process of adopting an ordinance.
18:10:06 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Which we're doing right now.
18:10:07 >> I typically stated that when you have something
18:10:10 really pending, meaning, for several months, that I
18:10:13 always ask that City Council, I have in the past asked
18:10:16 City Council to sort of save part of their process to
18:10:21 indicate that the pending ordinance would apply because
18:10:25 I think there's notification generally in the law that
18:10:28 gives you a better standing.
18:10:29 In this instance, you're between first and second
18:10:33 If an application came in, not prior to tonight, but
18:10:36 after today, if it is City Council's intent to want to
18:10:41 utilize the pending ordinance doctrine, we can make
18:10:44 that statement and maybe add that language into the
18:10:47 But, just caution you, just because we say we're using
18:10:52 the pending ordinance doctrine doesn't mean a court
18:10:54 would say that there's not some kind of grandfathering
18:10:58 to the old code.
18:10:59 I mean I don't know if there's a lot of things pending
18:11:01 right now that would be impacted by these particular
18:11:04 ordinances and you are between first and second
18:11:06 But in order to create the best case moving forward --
18:11:12 >> I'd like to see something in here, but you're really
18:11:14 talking about two to three more weeks.
18:11:17 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Okay.
18:11:18 Item 2.
18:11:18 Thank you.
18:11:19 >> Thank you, Council.
18:11:21 I'll go item by item.
18:11:24 Item No. 2, which is one change to chapter 1.5.
18:11:30 You will note that in the title.
18:11:32 It is clarifying that the administrator for the
18:11:34 variance review board is the zoning administrator,
18:11:38 which I am in practice.
18:11:39 This is just clarifying it in the code to match the
18:11:41 language that's in the ARC and BLC administrator
18:11:47 I would ask you approve this, unless you have any
18:11:50 >>THOMAS SCOTT: This is one of the ones we had the
18:11:52 workshop back, in December was it?
18:11:54 >> Correct.
18:11:56 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Does -- anyone wish to address Council
18:11:59 on item two?
18:12:03 >> Margaret busy, 213 south Charlotte.
18:12:06 I really didn't intend to speak to this.
18:12:08 I didn't realize they were on.
18:12:10 But Lynn did review all this.
18:12:13 So all of these I'd say the same thing.
18:12:17 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Okay.
18:12:17 Thank you.
18:12:20 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Anyone else from the public?
18:12:22 >> Move to close.
18:12:23 >> Second.
18:12:23 >>THOMAS SCOTT: All in favor signify by saying aye.
18:12:31 [ MOTION CARRIED ]
18:12:35 >> Move an ordinance of the City of Tampa Florida
18:12:37 making comprehensive revisions to city Tampa chapter
18:12:41 17.5 planning and land development, amending 17.5-71,
18:12:46 establishment, composition and terms, officers
18:12:48 repealing all ordinances, parts of ordinances in
18:12:50 conflict there with, providing for severability,
18:12:56 providing for an effective date.
18:12:56 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Been moved by Councilman Saul-Sena,
18:12:59 seconded by Councilman Miranda.
18:13:01 All significant if I by saying aye.
18:13:04 >> Motion carried with Mulhern and Miller being absent
18:13:06 and Dingfelder being absent at vote.
18:13:09 Second reading and adoption will be on May the 6th at
18:13:13 9:30 a.m.?
18:13:15 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Item three.
18:13:16 >> This is a privately initiated amend.
18:13:18 Ment this is in reference to section 27, 177 and 27184,
18:13:24 deals with the YC district for Hillsborough community
18:13:27 college, knowledging generally in the language that any
18:13:30 future development or within the that particular
18:13:34 district shall adhere to the Ybor City historic
18:13:38 district standards, the Barrio Latino exterior
18:13:42 requirements, in cases where it does not conflict with
18:13:45 mandatory state and building codes and regulations.
18:13:48 I believe the petitioner is here.
18:13:52 >>THOMAS SCOTT: We'll hear from the public.
18:13:54 Anyone from the public wish to speak to this item?
18:13:57 >> Move to close.
18:14:01 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Moved and second --
18:14:02 >> Second.
18:14:03 >>THOMAS SCOTT: All in favor signify by saying aye.
18:14:08 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I just wanted to comment on this.
18:14:10 This is really an excellent protection for future
18:14:13 It is so often we improve our codes by finding gaps in
18:14:19 And this is a gap-filler, which is really better
18:14:22 protect our national landmark district.
18:14:25 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Councilman Caetano, you want to read
18:14:29 the ordinance?
18:14:33 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: Number three?
18:14:35 >> Right there.
18:14:37 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: An ordinance of the City of Tampa,
18:14:39 Florida making comprehensive revisions to City of Tampa
18:14:42 code of ordinances chapter 27 zoning, amending section
18:14:45 27, 177 historic districts, established amending
18:14:51 section 27-184, certificate of appropriateness.
18:14:56 Repealing all ordinances or parts of ordinances in
18:14:58 conflict there with, providing for severability,
18:15:04 providing for an effective date.
18:15:05 >> Second.
18:15:05 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Motion by Councilman Kate, second by
18:15:09 Council Miranda.
18:15:10 All signify.
18:15:12 >> Motion carried with Miller and Mulhern being absent
18:15:15 and Dingfelder being an set at vote.
18:15:18 Second adoption will be may 6, 9:30 Anna Maria.
18:15:21 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Item four.
18:15:23 >>CATHERINE COYLE: Catherine Coyle, land development.
18:15:25 This was initiated by the legal department.
18:15:26 S it is in reference to the historic district,
18:15:29 specifically A.R.C. regulations and the BLC
18:15:35 There is a note placed on the table for area height and
18:15:40 bulk and placement standards.
18:15:42 Stating that maximum height may only be achieved in
18:15:45 compliance with applicable historic district design
18:15:48 standards through the application ever these standards,
18:15:50 maximum height may be reduced through this certificate
18:15:54 of appropriateness review process.
18:15:56 There are also some general cleanup items acknowledging
18:16:00 that these boards can review and recommend, give
18:16:03 recommendations for vacating applications.
18:16:05 And then some minor process changes dealing with
18:16:09 recommendations on rezonings, vacated applications and
18:16:13 comprehensive plan amen himself.
18:16:15 Which you receive now.
18:16:16 This is placing it in the code as far as the process.
18:16:18 Cleaning that up.
18:16:19 We would ask for your approval on that as well.
18:16:23 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Anyone from the public wish to address
18:16:25 Council on item four?
18:16:26 Anyone from the public?
18:16:28 >> Second.
18:16:30 >> Move and second.
18:16:31 All in favor signify by saying aye.
18:16:33 Councilman Dingfelder, you want to read the ordinance,
18:16:38 item four.
18:16:40 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Be glad to, Mr. Chairman.
18:16:42 Ordinance for first reading, ordinance of the City of
18:16:47 Tampa, Florida making comprehensive revisions City of
18:16:51 Tampa code ordinances chapter 27, amending chapter 27,
18:16:55 official schedule of district regulations, amending
18:16:57 27-213, powers and duties of the A.R.C. and A.R.C.
18:17:02 Amending section 27-216, certificate of
18:17:06 Review of work on locally designated landmarks,
18:17:08 landmark sites and property, in multiple property
18:17:12 designation, historic conservation, overlay district
18:17:15 and historic districts.
18:17:16 Repealing all ordinances or parts ever ordinances with
18:17:19 conflict there with providing for severability,
18:17:24 providing for an effective date.
18:17:25 >>THOMAS SCOTT: All in favor, signify by saying aye.
18:17:30 >> Motion carried with Miller and Mulhern being absent.
18:17:32 Second reading and adoption will be on May 6 at
18:17:35 9:30 a.m.
18:17:36 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Item 5.
18:17:38 >> Thank you, Catherine Coyle, land development.
18:17:41 These items were initiated by City Council.
18:17:43 The first one being the change to the downtown Channel
18:17:46 District requirements for design standards that the
18:17:51 first floor be activated.
18:17:52 We clarified it could include residential office,
18:17:55 commercial or art displays in order to create vibrant
18:17:58 streets in the downtown corps and also within the
18:18:00 Channel District.
18:18:02 There's a change to the West Tampa overlay district
18:18:06 You did create a business core district within West
18:18:09 With certain boundaries that clarified that certain
18:18:13 changes of use could occur, where there is typically a
18:18:17 zero set back for buildings, limited parking.
18:18:20 That these buildings could be reused for -- new uses to
18:18:23 revitalize that cover.
18:18:25 Also, the changes -- core.
18:18:27 The changes to the R reporting requirements making them
18:18:30 annual, as opposed to semi annual.
18:18:33 And allow if there's a first occurrence with certain
18:18:36 business, that doesn't file appropriately or files
18:18:39 late, that that fee could be reduced to $100 as opposed
18:18:45 to $500.
18:18:47 Giving a break on the first occurrence.
18:18:49 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Anyone from the public wish to address
18:18:51 City Council on item five?
18:18:52 >> Move to close.
18:18:57 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: In regard to the West Tampa
18:18:58 modifications, did you say that originated with
18:19:08 >> They came before you and acknowledged the issues in
18:19:10 West Tampa they're having in that core district.
18:19:13 They're having a lot of issues with change of use.
18:19:15 Because the buildings are fairly historic and built to
18:19:18 zero lot lines in a lot of cases.
18:19:20 A lot of on-street parking.
18:19:22 Very limited on-site parking.
18:19:24 And parking alone can cause those structures to have to
18:19:27 come in for PD rezones where he they aren't mod filing
18:19:31 the buildings at all, but putting in a new use.
18:19:33 So we did capture changes of use for CN zoning
18:19:37 district, which could be small restaurants, small
18:19:40 offices, small convenience goods sales, to allow that
18:19:43 opportunity and we captured at 100 person occupant
18:19:47 Typically 1500 square feet or so.
18:19:50 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I think they're good changes.
18:19:51 I just what was wondering if we had feedback from the
18:19:55 West Tampa chamber or any other similar organizations
18:19:59 over there?
18:20:01 >>CATHERINE COYLE: I believe Spencer Kass came before
18:20:03 you because I believe he represents this in some
18:20:06 At least way understand.
18:20:07 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Thank you.
18:20:08 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Mr. Chairman, this is something lake
18:20:10 a miniature adaptive use for that area, am I correct?
18:20:14 >>CATHERINE COYLE: Correct.
18:20:14 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you.
18:20:16 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I just wanted to compliment the
18:20:17 staff and Mike Callahan our new urban design person for
18:20:20 the improvements suggested for downtown.
18:20:24 I wish these had been in place 15 years ago.
18:20:27 But at least we're getting them in place now.
18:20:30 And when we have our next wave of development, it will
18:20:32 make it all better.
18:20:33 So I'm glad it's here now.
18:20:35 And to Julie and you also who worked on this.
18:20:37 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Motion to close.
18:20:38 Moved and second.
18:20:39 Seconded by councilmember Saul-Sena.
18:20:41 All in favor signify by saying aye.
18:20:49 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Since it is West Tampa, I'm going to
18:20:52 read in Spanish, Mr. Chairman, I move an ordinance of
18:20:54 the City of Tampa, Florida making comprehensive
18:20:57 revision to the City of Tampa code of ordinance chapter
18:20:59 27 zoning amending chapter 27-41.
18:21:02 Development design regulation amending section 27-457,
18:21:07 development sites and building design standards,
18:21:09 amending section 27-466, West Tampa overlay district
18:21:13 development, design standards, admitting -- amending
18:21:16 sections 27, 524, records semi-annual reports violating
18:21:22 of art can classifications zoning requirements.
18:21:26 All ordinance or parts ever ordinance in conflict with
18:21:29 there with, providing for severability, providing for
18:21:32 an effective date.
18:21:33 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Move by Councilman Miranda, second by
18:21:37 Council Dingfelder.
18:21:37 All in favor signify aye.
18:21:43 >> Motion carried with Miller and Mulhern being an
18:21:46 Second riding and adoption on May 6 at 9:30 a.m.
18:21:51 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: This is a brief question for miss
18:21:53 Since we have now adopted at least on first reading
18:21:56 these standards.
18:21:56 If a building was approved in a PD, let's say four
18:21:59 years ago, when would the building have to be reviewed
18:22:03 according to our new standards?
18:22:04 Is it five years or seven years?
18:22:07 >> It is five years.
18:22:09 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Because I really am excited about
18:22:11 our new standards.
18:22:12 >> There's a five year standard for site plan district.
18:22:15 They can get a one year extension if they request it.
18:22:19 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Thank.
18:22:19 >> You item 6.
18:22:20 >> Thank you, Catherine Coyle, land development.
18:22:22 These were initiated by my office.
18:22:24 The initial changes is consistency matrix and this is
18:22:29 to make it consistent with the new comprehensive plan.
18:22:31 Acknowledging the new land use categories that they
18:22:34 were identified and the appropriate notes, reference
18:22:39 notes that no longer reference the old sections of the
18:22:41 comp plan.
18:22:42 The second change is the East Tampa overlay district
18:22:45 design guidelines, and working with the East Tampa
18:22:48 group out there, they wanted to incorporate language
18:22:51 about sustainability.
18:22:52 Also a definition, looking at building design, making
18:22:57 sure that the building design doesn't include any
18:22:59 unpainted or unfinished block walls.
18:23:02 Standard language from the other overlays as well.
18:23:05 Also, including that zoning lots that do not have
18:23:12 frontage only arterial or collector roads may use black
18:23:15 final clad chain Ling or decorative wire material, as
18:23:20 opposed to solid block walls in certain areas where
18:23:23 they found potential criminal activity.
18:23:25 People can hide behind block walls and so on.
18:23:28 Definition of sustainability -- sustainable development
18:23:32 also listed on page 7.
18:23:33 Just to read it for the record, type of economic
18:23:36 revitalization of a defined area that demonstrates a
18:23:38 reduction in energy consumption, provision of
18:23:40 transportation options, efficient use of land, EG reuse
18:23:44 of -- example given, reuse of Brownfield sites and for
18:23:48 mixed use developments.
18:23:50 And respect and integration of the community's history,
18:23:53 identity and ecology in order to convey a healthy and
18:23:56 prosperous environment to future generations.
18:23:58 I wrote that.
18:23:59 I would ask for your approval?
18:24:04 Any question from Council?
18:24:06 Anyone from the public wish to address counsel.
18:24:08 >> Move to close.
18:24:10 >> Second.
18:24:11 >>THOMAS SCOTT: All in favor signify by saying aye.
18:24:13 Councilwoman Saul-Sena, read the ordinance.
18:24:15 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Thank you.
18:24:16 That was poetic.
18:24:18 Move an ordinance City of Tampa, Florida making
18:24:21 comprehensive visions to the City of Tampa code of
18:24:23 ordinances, chapter 27 zoning, amending section 27-2,
18:24:28 consistency matrix, amending section 27-465, East Tampa
18:24:33 overlay district design guidelines, amending section
18:24:36 27-545, definitions, repealing all ordinances or parts
18:24:40 of ordinances in conflict therewith, providing for
18:24:44 severability, providing for an effective date.
18:24:45 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Motion by Councilman Saul-Sena, second
18:24:47 by Councilman Miranda.
18:24:49 All in favor signify by saying aye.
18:24:53 >> Motion carried with Miller and Mulhern being absent.
18:24:55 Second reading and adoption will be on May 6 at
18:24:58 9:30 a.m.
18:25:00 >> Last item number 7, privately initiated amendment.
18:25:04 Mr. Gardner is here.
18:25:05 This is relating to the M-AP four district including
18:25:09 ecology use with restrictions under the special use
18:25:14 He's available for any comment.
18:25:15 >> Truett Gardner, 400 North Tampa Street.
18:25:23 Cathy did a great job summarizing.
18:25:25 A privately initiated matter because DeVry University
18:25:29 would like to move and relocate and expand in the M-AP
18:25:34 4 district.
18:25:35 This would allow that in a limited use capacity.
18:25:38 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you, sir.
18:25:39 Anyone wish to address Council?
18:25:42 All in favor signify by saying aye.
18:25:44 Councilman Caetano, would you read it?
18:25:51 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: An ordinance of the City of Tampa,
18:25:53 Florida, making comprehensive revision other the City
18:25:55 of Tampa code of ordinances chapter 27, zoning,
18:25:58 amending section 27, 78, district regulations for MAP
18:26:05 airport come pass interest districts table 4-3,
18:26:09 schedule of M-AP permitted uses amending section 27-272
18:26:15 regulations governing individual special use repealing
18:26:19 all ordinances or parts of ordinances in conflict
18:26:21 therewith, providing for severability, providing for an
18:26:25 effective date.
18:26:27 >> Thank you.
18:26:29 Cathy, is it safe to assume that the airport authority
18:26:33 has chimed in on these?
18:26:35 >>CATHERINE COYLE: I believe they're here, actually.
18:26:38 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: If they're here and they had any
18:26:40 objection, we would have heard them.
18:26:41 Thank you.
18:26:42 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Moved and second.
18:26:42 All in favor signify by saying aye.
18:26:45 That would have been a 3-2 vote.
18:26:48 >> Thank you very much.
18:26:49 [ Laughter ]
18:26:55 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Okay.
18:26:55 We're down to our quasi-judicial proceedings.
18:27:00 If you're going to be addressing Council tonight,
18:27:03 please stand and be sworn at this time.
18:27:11 [Oath administered by Clerk]
18:27:16 >> Mr. Chairman, I believe there are items that have
18:27:18 been available for public inspection in City Council's
18:27:21 I ask they be received and filed by motion please.
18:27:24 >> So moved.
18:27:24 >> Second.
18:27:25 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Moved and second.
18:27:26 All in favor signify by saying aye.
18:27:29 >> Thank you again.
18:27:29 If there's any ex parte communications, Council, please
18:27:32 disclose that.
18:27:34 Sum and substance, with whom it occurred prior to you
18:27:37 taking action.
18:27:38 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you very much.
18:27:39 Item 8?
18:27:40 >> Motion to open.
18:27:41 >> So moved.
18:27:42 >> Open 8, 9, 10, and adjournment.
18:27:49 >> All in favor signify by saying aye?
18:27:55 >> Petition No. V-10-103, the property is 106 and 108
18:28:06 Renellie Drive and they're requesting a special use for
18:28:09 an R-75 residential property.
18:28:11 To allow for parking off street commercial.
18:28:32 >> Good evening, Council, once again Tony Garcia,
18:28:35 Planning Commission staff.
18:28:36 I have been sworn in.
18:28:37 From new comp plan, vision map, on the Elmo, as you can
18:28:48 see, this site is located in the South Tampa planning
18:28:51 Right off of this intersection of Westshore and Kennedy
18:28:58 I'm going to show you an aerial here.
18:29:04 This is right off the intersection of Kennedy and
18:29:09 This is Panera Bread.
18:29:11 There's a Starbucks here.
18:29:14 This is for your benefit, Mr. Dingfelder.
18:29:16 Of course we'll the -- we have the Walgreen's just
18:29:19 adjacent to the taco bell, right at the intersection.
18:29:22 And of course Westshore plaza is a little further to
18:29:25 the west of this particular site.
18:29:28 We're looking eastward this way and westward this way
18:29:31 toward the intersection of Westshore and Kennedy
18:29:34 The main category for this particular area is one of
18:29:37 your highest mixed use.
18:29:39 It is urban mixed use 60 which allows a variety of
18:29:43 uses, commercial intensive, neighborhood commercial and
18:29:45 of course a variety of higher density potential.
18:29:48 Allowed in this particular land use category.
18:29:51 So that's basically what you're going to see along the
18:29:54 face of Kennedy Boulevard.
18:29:55 Land use categories as they go back into the
18:29:57 neighborhood, down to Cleveland street, is residential
18:30:01 The request before you today is to allow ancillary
18:30:06 temporary parking for this particular vacated space,
18:30:09 which is adjacent to residential.
18:30:10 Going to the south.
18:30:11 As you can see, you already have a heavy vegetated,
18:30:17 vegetation to the south of this site.
18:30:20 The people that live down this street unfortunately,
18:30:23 what they have interfacing them directly to the west is
18:30:26 going to be the back of the shopping center over here.
18:30:28 And this is -- the shopping center, I guess undergone a
18:30:32 renovation about 15 or 20 years ago, but it's been
18:30:35 there for probably 40 to 45 years.
18:30:38 It's been there as far back as I can remember.
18:30:42 >> Kash 'n Karry.
18:30:43 >> Sacino's and sons.
18:30:46 About anything else, Mr. Miranda, remember anything
18:30:51 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I don't spend my money unless it's
18:30:54 So I don't shop too often.
18:30:57 >> So that's it.
18:31:00 Okay, I'll go with that.
18:31:01 The request is to allow for additional parking to the
18:31:04 south, to compensate for the lack of parking along this
18:31:09 northern face for this particular retail use.
18:31:15 On this particular part, segment of Kennedy Boulevard.
18:31:19 The ingress and egress points are going to be off of
18:31:23 Renellie Drive, which is probably going to be your main
18:31:26 issue of discussion.
18:31:27 That is a technical issue as relates to those zoning
18:31:32 The silent plan does show that it does have a good
18:31:35 functionality as far as internal traffic's on the
18:31:39 parking site.
18:31:40 Which is consistent with the plan.
18:31:41 Of coerce they are going to have to meet ample
18:31:43 buffering and screening requirements as they are
18:31:45 adjacent to residential this way.
18:31:47 There's already commercial parking.
18:31:50 This is a bank drive-through.
18:31:51 Directly to the east of the site.
18:31:55 So you do have a certain amount of encroachment going
18:31:59 But this is really going to be your point of no return.
18:32:02 Your line of demarcation.
18:32:05 If we could call it that, from the commercial, any kind
18:32:09 of commercial intrusion of a residential neighborhood.
18:32:11 I don't see anything else going any further south than
18:32:14 this obviously.
18:32:16 And of course this is a much, much lower type of
18:32:19 intense type of use.
18:32:21 This is as he we said before, an ancillary type of use
18:32:24 that's going to be proposed here.
18:32:25 As this is, so we don't have a large commercial
18:32:28 structure in proximity to any of the residential
18:32:31 existing uses.
18:32:32 Planning Commission staffer, based on those findings of
18:32:35 facts and what is also provided in the South Tampa
18:32:38 planning district, which allows the opportunity for
18:32:42 small infill development, client proposed request
18:32:45 consistent with the comprehensive plan.
18:32:50 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Just clarify, which commercial
18:32:53 property is this parking being proposed to go with?
18:32:58 >> I think the applicant can explain that a little bit
18:33:00 more clearly to you.
18:33:01 It is a, I think it is a dining establishment or
18:33:06 something along that line, that's inside this
18:33:08 particular building shell right here.
18:33:12 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: And the parking that we can see from
18:33:13 the aerial that's paved, already on the north side
18:33:16 there, with those six or seven spaces and maybe there's
18:33:19 more underneath that other tree.
18:33:21 I can't tell.
18:33:22 >> I don't believe there's any here to my recollection.
18:33:25 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Okay.
18:33:26 Is that currently zoned to allow that?
18:33:30 Or is that illegal nonconforming use or do we know?
18:33:36 >> I think Towanda would be able to show you that.
18:33:41 She's got the zoning map there, so I think she can show
18:33:44 you that.
18:33:45 I'm at a loss because I don't have my future land use
18:33:48 map here.
18:33:49 But she's the one that has the CI map that's going to
18:33:52 show you all that.
18:33:53 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Thank you.
18:33:55 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I think it was Kash 'n Karry.
18:33:57 >> Before we move to, before you move forward, let me
18:34:00 ask the petitioner, does he want to proceed with this
18:34:04 hearing because you only have five people here tonight.
18:34:06 You need to come and speak on the mic.
18:34:14 >> Good evening, Mr. Chairman.
18:34:16 My name is Joseph Diaz.
18:34:18 My offices 2522 West Kennedy Boulevard.
18:34:21 I'm here on behalf of the petitioner, Leap Group of
18:34:25 I think we would humbly request a full Council.
18:34:29 >>THOMAS SCOTT: You asking for continuance?
18:34:31 >> I am.
18:34:32 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Anyone from the public want to speak to
18:34:34 the continuance?
18:34:40 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I just want to say, one item here
18:34:42 that caught my eye in reading through this, there's a
18:34:44 letter that was sent in by a gentleman concerned about
18:34:48 the garbage pickup that happens several times a week at
18:34:52 4:00 in the morning.
18:34:53 I believe that's true, because I have had it in the
18:35:00 house that I lived in.
18:35:02 And they would come about 4:00 in the morning.
18:35:05 If I remember city ordinances, I may be a little off,
18:35:09 but you can't do this till 6:00 in the morning.
18:35:13 Can I have the legal department give me something?
18:35:16 If my mind is correct?
18:35:20 >> Off the top of my head, I'm not sure I know the
18:35:23 answer to that question.
18:35:24 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Question, I don't believe you can
18:35:25 pick up with the container at 4:00 in the morning.
18:35:31 >> That gentleman might know.
18:35:35 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: It was Wade green.
18:35:36 I didn't want to call him up.
18:35:38 [ Laughter ]
18:35:39 >> Good evening, Vince Rayo from Solid Waste.
18:35:43 Currently in the code, we're working on revising the
18:35:47 code to 5:00 a.m.
18:35:48 I believe it is.
18:35:49 Right now, I don't believe it is in the code of what
18:35:52 time we can start.
18:35:54 The reason that Renellie is serviced so early is
18:35:57 because later on in the day, the delivery trucks, we
18:36:01 can't get down that street to service at all.
18:36:04 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'm not disagreeing with you.
18:36:05 But I'm almost sure that I think -- when I read
18:36:11 something, I don't forget.
18:36:12 And I think it is 6:00 in the morning.
18:36:16 I'm not sure.
18:36:19 I don't want to stop this Council and create a ruckus
18:36:28 >> Mr. Miranda, I'll see if I can locate it.
18:36:31 But because of the continuance, if you're raising that
18:36:33 issue, perhaps that answer can be addressed when the
18:36:36 hearing is brought back.
18:36:41 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I believe that there are people from
18:36:43 the public here, even though they're not choosing to
18:36:45 speak, I think before we determine whether the
18:36:47 continuance should be evening meeting or day meeting,
18:36:51 we should get their feedback.
18:36:54 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Well, we asked the public if they want
18:36:56 to speak.
18:37:03 >> All I'd say is probably--
18:37:05 >> State your name.
18:37:05 >> Margaret Vizzi.
18:37:09 Is better, because I know the gentleman was supposed to
18:37:12 be here and concerned because he was coming on his
18:37:15 motor scooter and he had some pictures he wanted to
18:37:18 So I guess the evening is better because I know he
18:37:21 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Is there a motion?
18:37:23 >> I'll move it.
18:37:23 I just have one comment.
18:37:25 >> Second.
18:37:27 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: It is a generic comment, but where
18:37:31 is Mr. Diaz?
18:37:32 Joe, you don't have to get up.
18:37:34 Just wanted to make sure you were still here.
18:37:35 The gentleman who did write us mentioned with the
18:37:37 location of the dumpsters, Mr. Miranda mentioned.
18:37:40 When I look at the drawing and I see the dumpster in
18:37:43 that corner, that's closest to the only directly
18:37:47 affected house, I can't help but wonder why they was --
18:37:51 don't answer it, bass we're not going to get into it.
18:37:53 But just something to ponder as you proceed on this.
18:37:56 That maybe there's a better location for that dumpster
18:37:59 that might be closer to Kennedy.
18:38:00 You know, anyway, that's just my quick observation.
18:38:05 >>THOMAS SCOTT: We'll pick that up.
18:38:06 But obviously this gentleman is shaking no, so that
18:38:10 means solid waste must have been involved.
18:38:12 But we'll take that up.
18:38:14 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: When is the next evening meeting?
18:38:16 >> Month from now.
18:38:17 >> Yes, May 13th at 6:30 -- 6:00 pm.
18:38:25 >>THOMAS SCOTT: There's a motion that was made by
18:38:27 Councilman Dingfelder, second by Councilman Miranda.
18:38:30 Motion include the May 13 at 6:00 pm.
18:38:35 All in favor, signify by saying aye.
18:38:39 >> Thank you.
18:38:42 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Item 9?
18:38:53 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: You want these maps back?
18:38:55 We'll give it all back.
18:38:58 I'll pass it down to you guys so you can mess with it.
18:39:07 [ Laughter ]
18:39:09 >> Petition number Z-10-07, Towanda Anthony, land
18:39:15 The property address 603 East Amelia Avenue.
18:39:18 And they're requesting to rezone from RM-24 residential
18:39:22 multifamily to PD planned development to allow for a
18:39:25 single-family residence.
18:39:30 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Planning Commission?
18:39:34 >> Thank you Mr. Chairman.
18:39:35 Tony Garcia, Planning Commission staff, I have been
18:39:45 >> On your comprehensive position map, you are located,
18:39:50 or the site we'll be discussing, pleasant -- presently
18:39:54 is located in the central Tampa planning district.
18:39:56 This is one of the three districts in the City of Tampa
18:39:58 known as an opportunity for growth.
18:40:00 Economic development opportunities.
18:40:04 Site is located a little bit more specifically, within
18:40:14 the boundaries of the Tampa Heights neighborhood
18:40:17 Just west of the interstate.
18:40:19 And just south of east Columbus drive.
18:40:22 Residential category for this area is the higher
18:40:25 December tension -- density potential.
18:40:27 Got residential 35 zoning classification as you can
18:40:30 Residential ten to the north.
18:40:31 And mixed use 35 to the east.
18:40:34 Of course just a little bit further down will be Tampa
18:40:38 Down a little bit further on Ross Avenue, you can see
18:40:42 the density is even higher.
18:40:44 This is a residential 83 category.
18:40:47 Down to the south of Ross Avenue, which is where you
18:40:49 start going into the Tampa Heights residential historic
18:40:53 So this is actually, there are some historically
18:40:57 significant homes architecturally speaking within this
18:41:01 particular area, as a matter of fact.
18:41:02 What we're recognizing here are lots that will be the
18:41:07 recipient, because it's currently not there, of a nice
18:41:11 residential home that's being relocated from another
18:41:14 So, the, so the proposed list, one that's very nice
18:41:19 indeed and will be a nice addition to some other homes
18:41:22 that are in the area.
18:41:24 The area of course still has a little bit of a ways to
18:41:28 But it is readily along its way as far as
18:41:30 revitalization is concerned for this particular area of
18:41:33 Tampa Heights.
18:41:33 Planning Commission staff found the proposed request
18:41:35 consistent with the comprehensive plan.
18:41:40 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you, sir.
18:41:42 Any questions?
18:41:43 Council, no questions?
18:41:50 >> Towanda Anthony, land development.
18:41:52 Again, this is petition V10-107.
18:41:57 There's one waiver being requested to section 27246.
18:42:02 I'll show pictures of the site.
18:42:06 This is the zoning atlas.
18:42:11 Here in green.
18:42:18 The property is bordered by Grove to the west.
18:42:21 Amelia to the north.
18:42:24 FDOT right-of-way to the east.
18:42:28 And Francis Avenue to the south.
18:42:32 As you can see, this area is zoned RM-24.
18:42:43 Here's the aerial of the property.
18:42:47 Here's Amelia and the house will front Amelia.
18:42:52 And here's Grove.
18:42:59 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: It's pretty straightforward.
18:43:01 Are there any objections?
18:43:03 >>THOMAS SCOTT: It is a city petition.
18:43:05 Any questions?
18:43:07 >> This is a city-owned lot.
18:43:09 Lot is only 41 feet, so it doesn't meet the standard
18:43:12 requirement from RM-24 zoning district and that's why
18:43:16 it's being rezoned to PD.
18:43:18 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: This is one of those really exciting
18:43:20 creative things where the department of transportation
18:43:22 is picking up the tab on moving, rehab and we get the
18:43:25 money for our revolving historic trust fund.
18:43:28 So it is a win, win, win.
18:43:30 I just want to recognize Alaina who came up with this
18:43:33 wonderful plan, who is in the audience joining us.
18:43:36 Thank you for this creative saving of a wonderful old
18:43:39 Move to close.
18:43:41 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Anyone from the public -- moved and
18:43:46 All in favor signify by saying aye.
18:43:49 Councilman Miranda?
18:43:54 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you, sir.
18:43:56 Zero zoning property general vicinity 603 East Amelia
18:43:59 Avenue, described from zoning district classification
18:44:02 RM-24 residential multifamily to PD planned development
18:44:06 residential sickling family providing for an effective
18:44:08 >> Second.
18:44:10 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I just want to say this is the
18:44:12 greenest thing you can do is to recycle a house and
18:44:15 help fill in the gaps in the neighborhood.
18:44:18 So this is a win-win.
18:44:19 Thank you.
18:44:21 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Motion by Councilman Miranda.
18:44:22 Second by Councilman Dingfelder.
18:44:24 All in favor signify by saying aye.
18:44:27 >> Motion carried with Miller and Mulhern being absent.
18:44:29 Second reading and adoption will be on May 6 at
18:44:32 9:30 a.m.
18:44:34 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Last public hearing for the evening,
18:44:35 item 10.
18:44:44 >> Anthony, land development.
18:44:46 It petition Z 10-10, the property addresses
18:44:50 4705-18th Avenue and 2708 North Cord Street.
18:44:55 They're requesting to rezone from RM-16 residential
18:44:58 multifamily to PD planned development for place of
18:45:02 religious assembly.
18:45:10 >> Good evening, council.
18:45:11 Once again and forethe final time this evening, Tony
18:45:14 Garcia, Planning Commission staff.
18:45:16 I have been sworn.
18:45:18 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Are you leaving?
18:45:19 >> I think we are all going to be leaving soon,
18:45:22 Mr. Miranda, hopefully.
18:45:23 This site is also located in the central Tampa planning
18:45:30 district on your vision map.
18:45:31 As I have stated before, this is an area of growth
18:45:35 opportunity for both residential and commercial
18:45:40 This site is located on the very edge of the city
18:45:47 Out around this area, right off the interstate.
18:45:50 Let me go ahead and show you an aerial.
18:45:55 Of course that one's upside down.
18:45:58 Let's try it this way.
18:45:59 This is located on 4705 east 18th street.
18:46:05 This is within the boundaries of the Highland Pines
18:46:11 community task force neighborhood in the East Tampa
18:46:14 community CRA, which is the largest CRA for the City of
18:46:17 East Tampa is identified as an urban village in the
18:46:21 Tampa comprehensive plan.
18:46:22 Request is for a place of worship, specifically a
18:46:30 Let me go ahead and show you the land use categories
18:46:33 for this, again upside down -- I'm very consistent with
18:46:36 that, aren't I?
18:46:37 So here's the interstate to the south.
18:46:39 Here's the land use category.
18:46:41 Community commercial 35 for the area.
18:46:43 Recreation open space.
18:46:45 This is residential 20.
18:46:46 Presently, there is a existing house of worship, very
18:46:52 small, as you can see, on this aerial over here.
18:46:54 They're going to be building a much larger place of
18:46:59 What's convenient about this, it is a direct shot off
18:47:01 of cord street to come along Columbus, which Sided on
18:47:05 your -- excuse me, on your road classification map as
18:47:12 an arterial, plus you're in very clocks production
18:47:16 interestty to interstate four, just to the south and
18:47:19 50th street directly to the east, which is also
18:47:21 another arterial road.
18:47:23 The place of worship has been serving the community and
18:47:29 other members of this particular house of worship, from
18:47:33 various areas and they have been established in the
18:47:35 area for quite a long period of time.
18:47:37 So, of course they're using this as an opportunity for
18:47:39 this land to go ahead and redevelop this to service a
18:47:42 greater number of their congregation appropriately.
18:47:45 Planning commission staff on the proposed request
18:47:47 consistent with the comprehensive plan.
18:47:53 >> Anthony, land development.
18:48:03 Again this is petition 10 V 10-10.
18:48:07 They're requesting waivers.
18:48:09 However, two waivers can be eliminated if the
18:48:13 recommended revisions are made between first and second
18:48:16 They include a waiver to chapter 13 for green space.
18:48:20 And a waiver to chapter 13 for the landscape buffer.
18:48:24 I'll show pictures of the site.
18:48:31 Here's the zoning atlas.
18:48:38 The property is located here.
18:48:41 In the green hatched area.
18:48:45 It is bordered by cord to the north.
18:48:48 Excuse me, 18 to the north.
18:48:51 Cord to the west.
18:48:52 Columbus to the south.
18:48:53 And 46th to the west.
18:48:56 As you can see, it is surrounded by CI uses and CG
18:49:01 To the west, to the east and to the south.
18:49:05 It also has RN 16 zoning district to the west.
18:49:09 And to the north.
18:49:10 Here's an aerial of the site.
18:49:18 Here's a view of the property and the existing
18:49:27 Here's another view of the property to the rear.
18:49:32 It is a large site.
18:49:34 It is about an acre and a half.
18:49:36 Harass a view of the site looking -- here's a view of
18:49:40 the site looking north and you can see the residential
18:49:43 Here's a view looking west and it abuts residential as
18:49:46 Here's a view looking east and this is the la Quinta
18:49:51 hotel and it is at Columbus and 50th.
18:49:54 The petitioner is requesting to rezone the property
18:50:06 from R 16 to PD for a place of religious assembly.
18:50:10 Petitioner proposes to construct four buildings in a
18:50:13 total 16,000 square feet.
18:50:14 The site contains 66,556 square feet.
18:50:19 The proposed buildings setbacks are as follows.
18:50:24 To the north, it's 89 feet five inches.
18:50:28 To the south, 197 feet 10 inches.
18:50:30 To the west, it's 28 feet eight inches and to the east
18:50:34 the setbacks are 19 feet 7 inches.
18:50:36 The proposed use requires 90 parking spaces based on
18:50:39 the 300 seat capacity.
18:50:41 And 57 spaces are being provided.
18:50:44 A waiver has been requested for the deficient parking
18:50:48 The development review committee has reviewed the
18:50:54 petition and finds an inconsistent with the applicable
18:50:58 City of Tampa land development regulations.
18:51:00 However, if the applicant revises the site plan with
18:51:04 the required note, site plan revision as stated in the
18:51:07 report below, between first and second reading, the DRC
18:51:12 will amend its determination and file a petition
18:51:15 I'll read some of staff findings.
18:51:19 Land Development Coordination recommended that they
18:51:24 shrink the parking spaces abutting cord street and
18:51:28 18th street.
18:51:29 The first three parking spaces from standard to
18:51:32 To allow for three extra feet to gain the green space
18:51:37 For the landscape buffer, and to shrink the drive aisle
18:51:46 and the northern parking area from 27 feet to 26 feet,
18:51:50 26 feet is required by code.
18:51:52 And the length of the spaces one through nine to
18:51:55 16 feet to accommodate an eight foot landscape buffer
18:51:58 along 1st Avenue.
18:51:59 The rest of our recommendations for Land Development
18:52:01 Coordination are minor modifications and revisions to
18:52:07 the site plan.
18:52:07 Landscape specialists have comments that they provided.
18:52:12 There were no inconsistent findings.
18:52:14 I have a revision sheet that I'd like to provide into
18:52:18 the record.
18:52:19 And I have already provided that.
18:52:20 Are there any questions?
18:52:25 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Councilman Dingfelder?
18:52:27 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Two questions.
18:52:28 One related to the oak trees that are being proposed to
18:52:34 And I can see looking at the site plan that some of
18:52:36 them are in the drive aisle.
18:52:39 Looks like the middle drive aisle and I can understand
18:52:43 why that needs to be removed.
18:52:45 But, what I'm looking at specifically, if counsel wants
18:52:50 to look at it, looks like there's three oak trees that
18:52:53 are being removed and spaces, parking spaces, 41 and
18:52:57 And I'm just wondering if anybody gave any thought to
18:53:03 either staff or the petitioner, when they come up, to
18:53:06 the possibility of saving those trees just to make it a
18:53:10 perhaps a shadier, more aesthetic looking parking area,
18:53:15 you'd have some shade trees and we could waive the
18:53:17 additional, the loss of two or three spaces.
18:53:20 Just as an idea.
18:53:23 Did that come up in discussions?
18:53:26 >> Well, yeah, a lot of trees on this site.
18:53:29 And many of the trees were deemed in poor condition.
18:53:31 And they were determined, landscape specialists they're
18:53:36 removing 86% of the on-site trees and that was okay due
18:53:39 to the condition of the trees.
18:53:40 And also removing three grand trees from the site and
18:53:45 parks and rec has determined that they're hazardous
18:53:50 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I'll ask the petitioner then if
18:53:52 that's something they might want the to be interested
18:53:54 And the other question, perhaps is the transportation,
18:53:59 looking at the site plan, there's, what appears to be a
18:54:02 ten F.W. Woolworth alley on the west side.
18:54:04 -- ten foot alley.
18:54:09 And I was wondering, looking at the aerial photo, it's
18:54:12 hard to tell, but it doesn't look like it's necessarily
18:54:15 being used.
18:54:20 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: On the west side?
18:54:22 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Well, if you turn this.
18:54:23 This is north this way.
18:54:24 So it's along here, where it says lots one, two, three,
18:54:29 four, five, six, seven, eight, nine.
18:54:32 Anyway, you see what I'm talking about?
18:54:43 Was there any discussion with the petitioner --
18:54:47 normally, I'm not a big proponent of getting rid of
18:54:50 alleys, but if the alley is not being used and it's
18:54:54 kind of worthless, possibility of vacating that alley
18:54:56 and petitioner could have gotten an additional five
18:54:59 feet along there, and I mean, I know that's an
18:55:03 additional process and if they haven't started it, it
18:55:06 might delay it a little bit.
18:55:07 But at the same time, if nobody's using the alley, it
18:55:11 might be a good way for them to pick up an additional
18:55:14 five feet for buffer, parking, what have you.
18:55:19 >> Vacating the alley wasn't discussed with the
18:55:22 We haven't studied the alley to see if any of these
18:55:25 single-family homes would have any issues with vacating
18:55:28 the alley.
18:55:29 But the, there are driveways and their parking as they
18:55:33 have it now, don't need to utilize the alley.
18:55:36 But they never mentioned needing to vacate.
18:55:38 We have homes along the alley.
18:55:43 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: They might like it too.
18:55:44 Everybody gets five feet.
18:55:46 Maybe petitioner wants to address both those issues
18:55:51 when you come up.
18:55:52 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Okay, petitioner?
18:56:03 >> Thomas Hills, I live at 1505 North 20th Street,
18:56:08 Tampa, Florida.
18:56:09 I want to first address the waivers.
18:56:12 The two main waivers that we have are the chapter
18:56:16 13s, which is the green space.
18:56:20 We worked with, with the staff and we come up with,
18:56:27 we're going to do the smaller parking spaces in order
18:56:31 to not have to go into the green space waiver.
18:56:36 And also, when it comes down to the plans, will be able
18:56:42 to do number seven also.
18:56:44 Now on waiver to reduce the required side setbacks from
18:56:49 40 to 28, and the other one from 49 to 19, one of the
18:56:55 reasons that we are coming up with some -- we have very
18:56:58 large spaces on the north and on the south.
18:57:01 Because you -- as you notice.
18:57:03 And then we have very small spaces from the west and
18:57:06 the east.
18:57:07 The reason is that in their particular type of
18:57:10 religion, the church has to face northeast.
18:57:15 And it gives a limitation as to how we can get it on
18:57:19 But by religious request, that church has to face in
18:57:22 that particular way to address the religion, especially
18:57:26 when they're doing a grand new mosque.
18:57:28 Also, on number three, the amount of required off
18:57:37 street space, in a practical sense, it works for them
18:57:42 for this reason.
18:57:42 There is this congregation is made up of basically
18:57:48 And all of the families, they sort of like travel
18:57:52 And the, one of the reasons for a larger mosque also is
18:57:56 the fact that this is the international group from
18:58:01 And they have a lot -- they'll be brig in a lot of
18:58:05 people into Tampa back and forth also.
18:58:07 And by having the new hotels around, everywhere, it all
18:58:11 works together, so it won't have anything to do with
18:58:14 the parking.
18:58:16 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Mr. Hill, I think Councilman Dingfelder
18:58:19 has specific question that was addressed.
18:58:23 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Yes.
18:58:23 Thanks for the clarification on the waivers.
18:58:25 The two questions I had was, as related to the, to
18:58:29 those parking spaces, 41 and 42.
18:58:31 Looks like there's a bundle of three little oak trees
18:58:34 I don't know what the health of those oak trees are,
18:58:37 but if they are decent oak trees and you wanted to save
18:58:40 those oak trees and lose those parking spaces, I think
18:58:43 Council would be amenable to considering that.
18:58:46 But if you don't, that's, you know.
18:58:48 >> Well, we discussed those with the parks and
18:58:50 recreation and landscape.
18:58:52 And those trees were in bad shape.
18:58:54 Was onliest reason we are not trying to do anything.
18:58:58 If you notice, some parts of this where we were able to
18:59:03 adjust the planning, we saved trees, north of that, you
18:59:07 saw those trees.
18:59:08 We split the parking areas and also were able to save
18:59:13 the things that we could, could do.
18:59:16 And actually, when we first did the site plan on the
18:59:19 building, the building was a little south than what it
18:59:23 And it was moved north in order to save those trees
18:59:27 So, we did a lot of work trying to save trees.
18:59:33 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: My question was related to the
18:59:35 Did you all have a chance to caucus on that?
18:59:38 >> We hadn't spoke to the zoning department about it.
18:59:42 But internally, we have spoken about doing that.
18:59:46 But we want to put too much on the plate at one time.
18:59:49 And our idea was to come back and see if you could work
18:59:53 something to get the five feet.
18:59:55 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Let me ask staff or Julia and option
18:59:58 0 that -- on that.
19:00:00 Can we put a caveat or a clause from Council on the
19:00:06 site plan, basically that recognizes that the alley is
19:00:10 not an issue now, but if the alley is vacated in the
19:00:13 future, that they could push that fence over to enclose
19:00:18 the five feet?
19:00:22 Because, you know, I don't see how it would impact
19:00:24 anybody negatively.
19:00:26 I know it is a little bit unorthodox, but seems like it
19:00:30 might be something viable to do.
19:00:31 Or could it be done administratively as a minor
19:00:35 deviation administratively?
19:00:37 Island hate for them to have to come back in for a new
19:00:40 PD, or revised PD, if and when they ever vacated that
19:00:44 alley, you know, so if you thought it would be, fall
19:00:48 into the category of a minor administrative event that
19:00:51 Cathy could approve at a later date, then I won't mess
19:00:56 with it.
19:00:57 Or we could put a little clause there, a little
19:00:59 condition that said that they could move that fence
19:01:01 over and you know, encompass that.
19:01:07 >> The problem is, technically not part of the zoning
19:01:11 And wasn't noticed, in part of the ordinance.
19:01:16 But it were vacated, just to continue forward with the
19:01:20 thought, if it's vacated, then I would assume that the
19:01:24 property would then split between both property owners
19:01:27 and I'd have to find out whether or not by operation of
19:01:34 that becoming part of this parcel, the right to just
19:01:38 put a fence in that location would exist.
19:01:40 You know, as it would on any parcel of property you put
19:01:43 a fence up.
19:01:44 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: The interesting thing is, it might,
19:01:47 right now, it's actually because it's the right-of-way,
19:01:50 okay, you could possibly say that it is included in the
19:01:54 Because you know.
19:01:59 >> We go back and look up -- you know, my recommends
19:02:02 would be on that issue.
19:02:04 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I'm trying to help them.
19:02:06 >> Is to go ahead -- I wouldn't make any changes on the
19:02:09 site plan.
19:02:09 We can deal with it potentially between first and
19:02:12 second reading.
19:02:13 My question would be, whether or not your point, by
19:02:17 virtue of the fact that this is something that could
19:02:22 potentially become part of this property owners
19:02:25 It might be assumed in the PD, whether or not it would
19:02:27 be considered separate property.
19:02:29 Give me one second.
19:02:33 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: If you want to look at it between
19:02:35 first and second reading, that's fine.
19:02:40 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Because what you're trying to do is
19:02:41 keep them from having to come back and row zone.
19:02:45 If they get five more feet, yeah.
19:02:55 >>THOMAS SCOTT: That is something that can come back
19:02:56 between first and second reading, is that right?
19:03:05 >>of course, I don't know what the position of staff
19:03:08 was, but it could affect the parking situation as well.
19:03:14 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I don't think they're going to
19:03:16 change their site plan.
19:03:17 Only thing I'm suggesting, it might change the location
19:03:20 of the fence and give them an extra five feet of
19:03:22 property along that line.
19:03:24 They say it is already a tight space anyway.
19:03:29 Jerry, why don't we just move on and deal with it
19:03:34 between first and second.
19:03:37 >> That's fine.
19:03:38 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Counsel have any more questions?
19:03:40 >> Move to close.
19:03:42 >> Anyone from the public wish to address Council?
19:03:45 Anyone from the public?
19:03:46 Okay, is there a second.
19:03:49 >> Second.
19:03:49 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Moved and second.
19:03:50 All in favor signify by saying aye.
19:03:52 Councilman Dingfelder.
19:04:06 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I was getting mixed signals from
19:04:09 >> Why don't we go ahead.
19:04:11 If there is an opportunity to do something -- what I
19:04:15 think staff's concerned about is making changes planned
19:04:18 between first and second reading.
19:04:20 That's not what I would be coming back and talking
19:04:23 What I would be talking about is the impact.
19:04:31 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Like I said, maybe it is just an
19:04:32 administrative change, minor administrative change for
19:04:36 a PD.
19:04:37 >> The problem is, to add them into the PD would
19:04:42 require them to come back to City Council.
19:04:43 My question to staff would be whether or not under
19:04:47 what -- if I'm understanding what the issue is, the
19:04:51 opportunity to move this fence exists, whether or not
19:04:54 underthe underlying zoning classification on the
19:04:56 right-of-way, you could put up a fence.
19:04:58 In that location, not withstanding the PD zoning
19:05:03 The only other questions that would be in my mind is
19:05:06 whether or not they could remove the fence on this site
19:05:09 plan and whether or not that would be a violation of
19:05:12 the site plan.
19:05:14 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Mine the underlying property owner
19:05:16 owns the middle of the right-of-way.
19:05:18 >> Right.
19:05:19 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: So therefore, the legal description
19:05:20 goes to the middle of the right-of-way.
19:05:22 So there is an arguable position that this was
19:05:25 advertised to the middle of the right-of-way.
19:05:27 But anyway.
19:05:29 I'll do whatever you want.
19:05:30 And I don't want to hold up Council, because I know it
19:05:41 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Let me ask petitioner one question.
19:05:43 >> So I'm now hearing that we might go ahead and deal
19:05:47 with it administratively now that they have run
19:05:53 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: All right.
19:05:54 So did I move this yet?
19:05:55 I'll move to rezone the property in general vicinity
19:05:57 for first reading, 4705 East 18th Avenue and 2708 North
19:06:01 Cord Street in City of Tampa, Florida, more
19:06:04 particularly described in section one, from
19:06:07 classifications RM-16 to PD, planned development place
19:06:11 of religious assembly, providing for an effective date.
19:06:14 And I'll add just as an aside, that I hope it is the
19:06:19 intent of Council to encourage staff to work with them
19:06:23 to add the alley if they can, down the road and also
19:06:25 the motion would include the conditions that staff has
19:06:29 provided us on the single page.
19:06:31 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Revised conditions.
19:06:33 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Revised conditions.
19:06:34 Thank you.
19:06:35 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Okay, motion by Councilman Dingfelder,
19:06:38 seconded by Council Saul-Sena.
19:06:39 All in favor signify by saying aye.
19:06:43 >> Motion carried with Miller and Mulhern being absent.
19:06:48 Second reading will be on May 6 at 9:30 a.m.
19:06:54 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Okay.
19:06:56 That concludes all of our public hearings tonight.
19:06:59 New business?
19:07:00 Councilman Miranda?
19:07:02 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
19:07:04 I believe that we lost a great leader in HCC,
19:07:10 Dr. Gwendolyn Stephenson, and we should make
19:07:14 arrangements to have her come forward and receive a
19:07:16 commendation from Council.
19:07:20 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: She's still alive.
19:07:21 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I mean lost her as a president of
19:07:25 She did a wonderful job for the many years she was
19:07:29 And should be congratulated for that.
19:07:31 And like to have Miss Stephenson come when she can.
19:07:34 I'll try to make those arrangements to have
19:07:38 commendations given for her.
19:07:40 That is my old alma mater.
19:07:43 I was there 14 years, to get a two year degree.
19:07:46 >>THOMAS SCOTT: How many years ago that was?
19:07:50 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: The streetcar was still running.
19:07:53 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Been moved and second.
19:07:54 Motion by Councilman Miranda and second by Councilman
19:07:58 All in favor signify by saying aye.
19:08:01 Councilman Saul-Sena?
19:08:06 >>Linda Saul-Sena: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
19:08:07 I have passed out a memo and I will give the clerk a
19:08:09 copy about demolition of historic structures to create
19:08:16 Tampa City Council is committed to protecting our
19:08:18 community's historic fabric, particularly in our urban
19:08:21 Therefore, I was appalled at the demolition of two
19:08:24 architecturally interesting structures dating from the
19:08:27 1920s on Franklin Street immediately adjacent to the
19:08:30 expansion of our streetcar route.
19:08:32 These two buildings, a two-story brick former law
19:08:35 office and the other a one-story marble and tile
19:08:38 brokers office gave this portion of lower Franklin
19:08:39 Street a sense of scale, texture and history.
19:08:42 Surrounded by surface parking lots and new buildings.
19:08:46 If our existing regulations do not offer sufficient
19:08:49 protections, then we must improve our regulations so
19:08:53 that we can adequately protect our irreplaceable
19:08:56 historic buildings.
19:08:58 And I'd like to make a motion, I'd like to request
19:09:00 legal to look at temporary event -- a temporary special
19:09:05 event parking, provision, and report back to us 30 days
19:09:09 from now, which I believe is our first meeting in May.
19:09:12 To appear and provide a report under staff's report.
19:09:18 And there's a couple of parts of this.
19:09:22 So special, temporary special event parking provision,
19:09:26 and also specifically on the situation surrounding the
19:09:30 demolition of these two buildings.
19:09:32 So that we can understand how to prevent this in the
19:09:36 Today, we adopted a number of chapter 27 improvements.
19:09:41 Perhaps this is a future chapter 27 improvement.
19:09:46 >> I would request that you also include staff in that,
19:09:48 because they would definitely haven't.
19:09:51 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Thank you.
19:09:52 And Miss Cole helped me come up with a request for the
19:09:54 temporary special parking provision.
19:09:55 She felt was part of this.
19:09:58 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Councilman Dingfelder?
19:09:59 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Question.
19:10:00 I was not present for that early discussion today.
19:10:03 But, I'm familiar with the demolition of those
19:10:07 I guess I didn't realize they were historic
19:10:10 But I believe it.
19:10:13 But the question I had is, did they go to the historic
19:10:17 preservation commission for demolition permit?
19:10:20 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I'm not exactly clear on what the
19:10:21 process was.
19:10:22 I know for a fact they didn't come us.
19:10:25 So I wanted clarification.
19:10:26 I believe it was a staff scrutiny.
19:10:29 But I don't know to what standards or how this happened
19:10:33 or didn't happen.
19:10:33 That's why I want a report.
19:10:35 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: For some reason I thought all
19:10:37 buildings older than 50 years automatically go to the
19:10:40 HPC for review.
19:10:42 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Well, I thought so.
19:10:43 >> Well, the stands -- once all buildings, yes, then
19:10:48 they have to meet a certain criteria.
19:10:51 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Well, anyway I don't want to get
19:10:52 into the substance right now.
19:10:53 To me, and I'm pretty knowledgeable, they were
19:10:56 contributing structures and we can't find the file
19:10:59 right now, but we're going to look at it.
19:11:02 >> My understanding it was reviewed by staff, by
19:11:06 historic preservation staff is not available today, so
19:11:08 we can't have that question answered directly.
19:11:13 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: That's part of my motion.
19:11:15 >>THOMAS SCOTT: First meeting in may.
19:11:17 >> Related to these structures.
19:11:19 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: It is a two part question, one the
19:11:21 sort of history and what happened with these
19:11:22 structures, then the other question was about the
19:11:24 special event parking.
19:11:26 Because I think that there's a relationship.
19:11:33 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Moved and second.
19:11:33 Second by Councilman Dingfelder.
19:11:35 All in favor signify by saying aye.
19:11:38 Councilman Caetano, you have anything?
19:11:42 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: No.
19:11:42 >>THOMAS SCOTT: I have one item here request from Tampa
19:11:44 Bay company letter of support from chairman by the 2015
19:11:51 sec men's basketball tournament.
19:11:54 >> That is my motion.
19:11:57 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: There's been a motion and second.
19:11:59 Any discussion?
19:11:59 All those in favor say aye.
19:12:03 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Tell me the Gators are winning.
19:12:06 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Passed unanimously.
19:12:07 Thank you.
19:12:08 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Motion to receive and file.
19:12:10 >> So moved.
19:12:10 >> Second.
19:12:11 >>THOMAS SCOTT: All in favor signify by saying aye.
19:12:13 Anything else need to come before Council?
19:12:15 If not, then we stand adjourned.
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