TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
Thursday, May 6, 2010
9:00 a.m. Session
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09:05:20 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Tampa City Council will now come to
09:06:09 The chair will yield to Joseph Caetano.
09:06:17 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: We have the honor of having Rabbi
09:06:20 Mendy Dubrowski giving our invocation and after that,
09:06:24 please stand for the pledge of allegiance.
09:06:26 Thank you.
09:06:32 >>GWEN MILLER: Please stand and remain standing.
09:06:36 >> Please join me.
09:06:37 God in heaven, master of the world, look favorably upon
09:06:41 this assembled group of concerned citizens, individuals
09:06:45 chosen by thousands of people who have placed their
09:06:48 faith and confidence in them, to make laws and
09:06:51 decisions for them and their families.
09:06:53 Let us recognize that this is a God-given position,
09:06:56 that it is actually the performance of the one of the
09:07:00 seven universal laws given to Noah, the father of all
09:07:03 humanity, to ensure a peaceful and moral society
09:07:07 governed by the rule of law.
09:07:07 Grant us Almighty God those assembled be aware of your
09:07:11 presence and that by laboring for the enactment of just
09:07:15 laws, they be blessed with good health, wisdom and
09:07:18 Let us accept and appreciate our diversity as human
09:07:21 beings, and see the unique and individual beauty we
09:07:24 each contribute to the woven fabric of our society.
09:07:29 Let us all find the inherit goodness in each other and
09:07:32 encourage one another to fulfill our charge from the
09:07:34 almighty to perfect the world under his sovereignty.
09:07:39 In this way we can bring light in place of darkness,
09:07:43 and happiness and peace to all who seek it, amen.
09:07:45 And I would just like to add on a personal note.
09:07:49 Today is the National Day of Prayer.
09:07:50 I would ask all of you to pray for a friend of mine.
09:07:53 Nosson Deitsch, a 21-year-old rabbinic intern who lost
09:07:59 his life here in Tampa a week ago on Sunday in a tragic
09:08:04 boating accident.
09:08:05 Please join me in a prayer for him as well, thank you.
09:08:10 [PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]
09:08:36 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Have roll call at this time.
09:08:40 [Roll Call]
09:08:46 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: Here.
09:08:50 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Here.
09:08:51 >>GWEN MILLER: Here.
09:08:56 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Here.
09:08:56 >>MARY MULHERN: Here.
09:08:57 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Here.
09:08:59 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Here.
09:09:01 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Council, we have two presentations that
09:09:04 we need to make at this time.
09:09:06 We're going to make a presentation now to the Moffitt
09:09:10 So, and then followed by the commendation will be made
09:09:16 to Diane Lopes, who is returning to light duty at the
09:09:20 Tampa Police Department.
09:09:22 That will be done by Councilman Dingfelder.
09:09:24 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Council, I'm going to ask to join me
09:09:41 here at the podium Dee Shenele Lee, Peter Kirkland,
09:09:45 Sandy McGirk, Susan Stern, Jamie Wilson, come and
09:09:51 join me here.
09:09:52 It is always my pleasure and our pleasure as a board to
09:09:56 recognize Moffitt for the outstanding work and
09:09:59 leadership that they do, not only in this community,
09:10:02 but they are recognized nationally for the work that
09:10:05 they do relative to cancer.
09:10:08 And so, in recognition of May Moffitt month, 2010,
09:10:16 Council, you have assigned this commendation to do so
09:10:21 and recognize the outstanding work in this month of
09:10:24 Whereas the Tampa City Council joins with Moffitt
09:10:25 Cancer Center, promoting May Moffitt month.
09:10:31 And whereas, the Tampa City Council recognizes that
09:10:34 more than 100,000 cases of cancer diagnosed throughout
09:10:38 Florida every year, accordingly, we the members of
09:10:42 Tampa City Council, encourage involvement, support and
09:10:48 philanthropy funds in the fight against the disease and
09:10:52 whereas, we invite all citizens to join in making May
09:10:57 Moffitt month by partnering with Moffitt as a, pursue
09:11:02 their mission to contribute to the prevention and cure
09:11:04 of cancer.
09:11:05 Now therefore, be it proclaimed that the Tampa City
09:11:07 Council does hereby commend Moffitt Cancer Center and
09:11:12 wishes you success in your efforts to treat those
09:11:15 afflicted with cancer and develop new methods to come
09:11:19 back -- combat this disease, signed by all seven
09:11:23 members on this 6th day of may.
09:11:25 Would like to present this to Moffitt, again, and much
09:11:29 success on the outstanding work that they do.
09:11:30 I know that many families have been touched by this
09:11:35 1976, my mother died from the disease of cancer.
09:11:41 And I know many of us here today understand how, have
09:11:46 been through this difficult time with this disease.
09:11:48 And we appreciate the work that Moffitt has contributed
09:11:51 and the work that they do in this community and not
09:11:53 only in this community, but nationally.
09:12:06 >> Thank you, chairman Scott.
09:12:08 As the chairman indicated, we have all been touched by
09:12:11 this disease.
09:12:12 I'm Pete Kirkwood.
09:12:13 I'm a member of the board of directors of the Moffitt
09:12:16 We thank you for the commendation.
09:12:19 We thank the City of Tampa for partnership with
09:12:24 Tremendous boost to the community efforts that come
09:12:27 behind Moffitt, in this month of may, to emphasize both
09:12:30 parts of our mission.
09:12:31 The cure of cancer and all the research and the
09:12:33 fund-raising we do throughout the year, and also the
09:12:36 prevention of cancer.
09:12:38 Thank you very much from the City of Tampa, we look
09:12:42 forward with this partnership with you for decades to
09:12:45 Thank you.
09:12:45 [ Applause ]
09:13:06 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Councilman Dingfelder?
09:13:14 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Good morning, Mr. Chairman, Council.
09:13:16 It's truly my honor and pleasure to present this
09:13:20 commendation to Diane Lopes on behalf of officer Diane
09:13:25 Lopes on behalf of the Tampa City Council.
09:13:27 I think about a month ago, just reading the newspaper
09:13:30 and I read about, about Diane and her story.
09:13:35 And I'll go into it in a minute.
09:13:38 As well as the chief.
09:13:40 But, Diane exhibited such tremendous courage.
09:13:47 She went over and served our country overseas in the
09:13:51 As a reservist.
09:13:53 And now she's come back to us -- thank goodness.
09:13:57 And it reminded me that several decades ago, this
09:14:01 country did not have such a great period of time in
09:14:06 welcoming back our troops.
09:14:08 After Vietnam, for whatever reason, and it's a blemish
09:14:13 on our history, that we are, our soldiers came back
09:14:16 from fighting, and regardless of how we felt about the
09:14:21 war, we should have welcomed them back with open arms.
09:14:24 And we did not.
09:14:25 I'm here to apologize to all those service men and
09:14:27 women we did not welcome back that way.
09:14:29 We are going to make it rye now.
09:14:31 And I think we are, in terms of treating our troops the
09:14:34 way they need to be treated and way they should be
09:14:36 treated when they come back.
09:14:38 And, but anyway, Diane, I want to give you this
09:14:43 And then we'll get the chief up here to talk about you
09:14:46 a little bit.
09:14:47 Tampa City Council recognizes the determination and
09:14:50 courage of Tampa Police Department officer Diane Lopes.
09:14:53 And welcome her return to service to our community as a
09:14:57 patrol officer.
09:14:58 After completing all but one week of field training for
09:15:02 Tampa Police Department, she was called upon to serve
09:15:04 us in Iraq as an Air Force reservist.
09:15:08 Wounded on September 21st, 2007 and understood went
09:15:13 extended rehab at Walter Reed, went from wheelchair to
09:15:17 walker to cane, and now home serving us in the job she
09:15:20 always wanted.
09:15:21 Officer Lopes was awarded the purple heart for her acts
09:15:24 of courage.
09:15:24 We are so proud of her and all our reservists serving
09:15:28 us and our country.
09:15:30 Tampa City Council thanks you, Diane, for your service
09:15:32 to the United States and wish you well in your future
09:15:35 role, many, many years with Tampa Police Department.
09:15:38 [ Applause ]
09:15:49 >> Good morning, Council.
09:15:50 We are certainly happy to have Diane back.
09:15:54 She's a little bit nervous, as I said, police officers
09:15:57 can face the bad guys out there on the street and all
09:16:00 kind of dangers, but when it gets in front of a
09:16:02 microphone, they get a little bit nervous.
09:16:05 But she is a true inspiration, not only to the staff of
09:16:08 the Tampa Police Department and all the men and women
09:16:11 of the Tampa Police Department, but she should be an
09:16:13 inspiration to everyone, because she, by all intents
09:16:17 and purposes probably shouldn't be standing here today.
09:16:20 She was next to a hospital medical facility in Iraq,
09:16:26 when a bomb came over and exploded right next to her.
09:16:29 And had it not been for the grace of God and good quick
09:16:32 medical treatment, she wouldn't be here.
09:16:34 And she has gone through tremendous rehab.
09:16:39 I had the honor of spending some time with her in
09:16:42 Washington, D.C. a couple of years ago.
09:16:44 And she actually had the whole group of us laughing to
09:16:48 the point of tears over her rehab, which was
09:16:52 But her stories of going through an MRI and how that
09:16:55 affected the pieces of shrapnel in her body, was
09:17:01 obviously terrifying but she made it something she
09:17:04 endured with a sense of humor and incredible amount of
09:17:08 So we are so blessed to have her as a part of our
09:17:11 And we thank God that she's back with us today.
09:17:13 She's an amazing individual.
09:17:15 Thank you.
09:17:17 [ Applause ]
09:17:23 >> I don't even know how to follow up.
09:17:25 Thank you so very much for this honor.
09:17:27 And it is a great privilege to be back and to rejoin
09:17:32 the Tampa Police Department.
09:17:33 And I want to thank Chief Castor and the entire command
09:17:37 staff and all my brothers and sisters here for such a
09:17:40 warm welcome and all the support they have given me.
09:17:43 And, I look forward to -- look forward to serving this
09:17:49 Thank you.
09:17:51 >> Welcome back.
09:17:51 [ Applause ]
09:18:00 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you very much.
09:18:09 >>GWEN MILLER: Before you move on, I'd like to make a
09:18:11 motion to adopt the minutes.
09:18:13 >> Second.
09:18:14 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Moved and second.
09:18:14 All in favor signify by saying aye.
09:18:18 Move towards the approval of the agenda at this time.
09:18:22 >> Mr. Chairman?
09:18:23 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: A couple things.
09:18:24 The first date of the scheduled budget workshop is,
09:18:30 when we have a livable roadways committee scheduled.
09:18:33 >>THOMAS SCOTT: We'll talk about that.
09:18:35 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: We're going to do that late senator.
09:18:36 >>THOMAS SCOTT: We'll talk about that later.
09:18:38 Right now we need to deal with the agenda, then we'll
09:18:40 come to those items, okay?
09:18:44 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: It was on our list, that's why we
09:18:46 brought it up.
09:18:47 >>THOMAS SCOTT: But we haven't got to that yet.
09:18:49 Just getting started.
09:18:51 So Mr. Shelby.
09:18:53 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Good morning, Mr. Chairman, members of
09:18:55 City Council.
09:18:56 In front of you you have the addendum to today's
09:18:59 As Chairman Scott mentioned, there are several items of
09:19:03 new business.
09:19:03 The first being moving the items from, next May 13th,
09:19:10 evening meeting.
09:19:10 Then a discussion, that Mr. Chairman wishes to have
09:19:14 regarding the oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico and
09:19:16 finally, the budget workshop days and I believe those
09:19:20 will be taken up under new business at the end of the
09:19:22 meeting when Council takes up new business.
09:19:25 Council, item number 41 is on the consent docket.
09:19:30 Per the administration that has been removed.
09:19:32 It is set for a time certain of 1:30 this afternoon.
09:19:36 And the mayor will appear to make a presentation on the
09:19:42 Regarding the resolution for distribution of the
09:19:45 transportation surtax proceeds.
09:19:48 That will be contemplated by the voters.
09:19:50 Likewise -- excuse me.
09:19:55 Item number 66, is a substitute ordinance regarding the
09:20:00 electronic billboard.
09:20:03 And I believe miss Cole has a substitution for you on
09:20:06 Council, I just wish to bring to your attention, that
09:20:09 is not set for a public hearing today.
09:20:10 It is a legislative matter.
09:20:13 It is set for staff reports.
09:20:14 There normally is no public hearing.
09:20:17 The public, for the first reading.
09:20:19 The public hearing comes in two weeks at the second
09:20:23 meeting, the second reading, and adoption public
09:20:26 So per Council's rules, if anybody wishes to address
09:20:28 the electronic billboard issue, absent Council waiving
09:20:32 the rules unanimously, the appropriate time to do that
09:20:35 would be at agenda public comment.
09:20:36 Which will take place at this.
09:20:38 Same with item number 67.
09:20:44 Which is also being presented for first reading under
09:20:51 staff reports.
09:20:52 It is not set for a public hearing, and that is on the
09:20:54 newsrack ordinance.
09:20:55 So the appropriate time for the public to address that,
09:20:58 absent Council waiving its rules unanimously, would be
09:21:02 at agenda public comment.
09:21:03 Item number 71, is a memorandum received from city
09:21:08 attorney Chip Fletcher, which has the language for the
09:21:11 proposed ordinance.
09:21:12 Regarding an elected official leaving office to run for
09:21:16 another office.
09:21:16 Item number -- excuse me, item number 77 is set for
09:21:23 1:30 this afternoon.
09:21:24 However, there will be a request for a 30 day
09:21:28 That is the 1607, to 1609 north 22nd street.
09:21:34 Ferlita Macaroni Factory, requesting a 30-day
09:21:40 That will be a request that will be made this
09:21:42 And finally, I believe item number 78 is a, the appeal
09:21:50 hearing that's scheduled, decision of the A.R.C. at
09:21:54 2113 west Hillsborough avenue, or west hills avenue it
09:21:57 says, and the applicant will be requesting a
09:21:59 continuance on that to June 3rd.
09:22:02 In order to complete the record.
09:22:04 And I believe -- I have not received in writing any
09:22:09 other requests for any other changes to the agenda.
09:22:14 I believe Councilmember Mulhern might have a request.
09:22:17 And other Councilmembers but I'm not aware
09:22:21 >>MARY MULHERN: I have a couple of things that I think
09:22:23 staff knows about, but I need to pull from the consent
09:22:27 But I had a question about 66 and 67.
09:22:30 Because don't -- isn't the first reading normally a
09:22:36 public hearing?
09:22:38 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Only if it is a quasi-judicial matter
09:22:40 involving rezoning.
09:22:41 If it involves a property.
09:22:42 Rights issue.
09:22:44 If it is a legislative matter, then no.
09:22:47 >>MARY MULHERN: Okay.
09:22:47 Number 11, I have asked the Parks Department to move
09:22:53 that to the staff report on the parks programming,
09:23:01 which is number --
09:23:06 >>THOMAS SCOTT: So you want to pull that item?
09:23:09 >>MARY MULHERN: I want to pull it, but I want to pass
09:23:11 it and discuss it during the staff report from Karen.
09:23:17 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Not 11?
09:23:17 64 had?
09:23:19 >>MARY MULHERN: I want to move 11 to be with 64.
09:23:21 >>THOMAS SCOTT: 11 to 64.
09:23:23 >>MARY MULHERN: From the consent agenda on to that
09:23:25 staff report.
09:23:26 And number 13, I just saw Chip leave, but I'm not
09:23:32 sure -- I want to pull that for some explanation from
09:23:38 either legal -- probably legal and or budget, if they
09:23:44 want to talk about it.
09:23:46 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Okay.
09:23:46 Any other -- yeah?
09:23:49 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I'm sorry, I missed.
09:23:51 Was there something on item S?
09:23:53 It says other notes -- 71?
09:23:56 It says notes.
09:23:57 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Item 71 on the back on the second page
09:23:59 is a memorandum received from the city attorney, which
09:24:02 had the text of the proposed ordinance.
09:24:03 And that was sent to Council.
09:24:06 It was received late, I believe.
09:24:08 So if it's not in your backup, we can make sure it's
09:24:11 provided to you.
09:24:12 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Thank you.
09:24:12 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Any other items need to be pulled?
09:24:14 Motion to approve the changes?
09:24:16 To agenda?
09:24:17 >> So moved.
09:24:18 >> Second.
09:24:19 And I want --
09:24:22 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Mr. Chairman, I hope this is not
09:24:26 taken personally.
09:24:27 I'd like to set a process, because now, we hear these
09:24:33 things coming up, and there's fax machines, there's
09:24:39 computers, there's telephones, cell phones.
09:24:41 And there's a personal visit.
09:24:43 I would like to see this Council have a system whereby,
09:24:49 if you want to pull something, including me, that you
09:24:52 apply -- what do the rules say?
09:24:59 It says something and we do something else.
09:25:01 It's not about you, believe me.
09:25:03 Was, I'd tell you right here.
09:25:04 But it's not about you.
09:25:06 It's about the system that we have that its -- you have
09:25:10 the rule and then we violate our own rule.
09:25:14 Those are the things that I just can't -- I don't
09:25:17 swallow that very well.
09:25:22 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Councilman Miranda, you're asking
09:25:24 about rule 7-C, which reads as follows, an individual
09:25:27 member of City Council wanting to remove an item from
09:25:30 the committee report consent agenda should attempt to
09:25:33 do so a day or more in advance of the meeting by
09:25:35 notifying the members of Council, the clerk and the
09:25:38 chief of staff by memorandum or e-mail, stating whether
09:25:41 the member of Council wishes staff to be present to
09:25:44 discuss the item.
09:25:46 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I believe that's the way it should
09:25:48 But I believe it should be narrowed down to one person.
09:25:51 The clerk's office, so that they're notified.
09:25:54 They would advise you and then you would know exactly
09:25:56 what's happening and if it can be done, it can't be
09:26:00 And if we're going to have that rule, let's enforce it.
09:26:04 If we are not going to get along with that rule, let's
09:26:07 get rid of the rule.
09:26:08 That's the only thing I'm saying.
09:26:10 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Mr. Chairman, can I briefly address
09:26:12 Councilman Miranda, if Council's decision or desire to
09:26:16 change that rule, I'm preparing --
09:26:20 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'll bring it up under new business.
09:26:23 >> Thank you.
09:26:25 >>MARY MULHERN: I have to say something, and I know --
09:26:28 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'm not.
09:26:30 >>MARY MULHERN: I know that.
09:26:31 But I could call Shirley at 3:00 in the morning when I
09:26:34 can't sleep.
09:26:34 I did look over this agenda.
09:26:36 And I did wake up and think, oh -- I need to look at
09:26:41 So, I work really hard, I work more than, you know,
09:26:45 full-time job trying to keep up with the hundreds of
09:26:47 things on this agenda.
09:26:48 And make sure I do my job and it's part of my job.
09:26:51 If we were to change that rule, I wouldn't be able to
09:26:54 do my job.
09:26:54 That's how I feel about it.
09:26:58 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'm not debating anybody.
09:26:59 But I have two jobs at 69.
09:27:01 I read this and handle the other job.
09:27:06 I'm not again talking to you, I'm talking to myself.
09:27:08 If we're going to have the rule, enforce the rule.
09:27:10 If you're not going to have the rule, don't enforce it.
09:27:13 If you're done going to have a street light rule and
09:27:16 you pass and get a ticket, then it should be for
09:27:19 That's all I'm saying.
09:27:20 >>THOMAS SCOTT: We can take it up under new business.
09:27:22 There's a motion on the floor.
09:27:24 All in favor signify by saying aye.
09:27:27 The City Council has set aside 30 minutes of public
09:27:33 We give preference to the items that are on, number
09:27:36 items on the agenda first.
09:27:37 Those are going to be speaking to numbered items first
09:27:40 on the agenda, will come forward first.
09:27:43 Will you begin to the lineup please?
09:27:45 If you're going to be speaking to numbered items on the
09:27:48 agenda first.
09:27:49 You may come forward and address Council at this time.
09:27:52 >> Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman, members of the
09:27:55 My name is Donald con.
09:27:57 For the record, my address is 2701 North Rocky Point
09:28:01 In Tampa.
09:28:02 I'm with the Pennington Moore law firm and I'm here on
09:28:05 item number 66.
09:28:07 The billboard ordinance.
09:28:08 I represent Signal Outdoor Advertising Company.
09:28:11 They do not -- they're not engaged in billboard
09:28:15 advertising or billboard construction, rather, they
09:28:18 have a contract with HART to provide bus shelters.
09:28:21 There is advertising associated with those bus
09:28:25 But the advertising is far different from billboards.
09:28:28 About a year ago, we had negotiations with the City of
09:28:32 Tampa for right-of-way permits to locate the bus
09:28:35 shelters throughout the City of Tampa as well as
09:28:38 Hillsborough County.
09:28:38 Those negotiations were very productive, very
09:28:41 cooperative and were very successful.
09:28:43 We now have over 200 shelters that have been located
09:28:46 throughout the City of Tampa, as well as portions of
09:28:49 Hillsborough County.
09:28:49 There have been no complaints about the bus shelters.
09:28:53 Or the advertising associated with the bus shelters.
09:28:56 They provide not only a public convenience, a place to
09:28:59 rest, place to sit while rating -- waiting for a bus,
09:29:03 but also a safety factor.
09:29:05 They are illuminated.
09:29:07 And that's a very important safety factor, particularly
09:29:10 in the evening hours.
09:29:11 The ordinance that you have in front of you, which we
09:29:13 only became aware of less than 48 hours ago, has a
09:29:16 section in it, section 6, which addresses shelters.
09:29:20 Now, again, this ordinance as I understand it, has been
09:29:24 prepared as part of a settlement, a litigation between
09:29:28 the city and certain billboard companies.
09:29:30 We're not involved in that litigation.
09:29:33 We were not involved in the settlement discussion that
09:29:36 is led to the preparation of this ordinance.
09:29:38 Yet, there is a section that's been placed in this
09:29:41 proposed ordinance, it's section 6, which deals with
09:29:44 shelters and deals with illumination of shelters.
09:29:48 As I say, we are under contract with HART.
09:29:51 Let me explain some of the public benefit of that
09:29:55 To the citizens of city.
09:29:57 First, these shelters are being constructed at no cost
09:30:01 to HART.
09:30:02 Secondly, they're being maintained by signal, by my
09:30:06 client, at no cost to HART.
09:30:08 Thirdly, a portion of the revenues derived from the
09:30:12 advertising, 21% of the revenues, are being returned to
09:30:18 So, we see no reason why shelters need to be part of
09:30:22 this settlement discussions that have been going on,
09:30:25 and part of this proposed ordinance.
09:30:26 We are ready, willing and able to sit down with the
09:30:30 city, with city staff, with this Council, if there
09:30:34 needs to be a particular ordinance that addresses
09:30:37 If there is a concern, we're ready and willing to sit
09:30:41 down and do that.
09:30:42 But we haven't been at the table.
09:30:44 And so we're concerned about section -- we would ask at
09:30:47 the appropriate time, that you consider removing
09:30:50 section 6 from this settlement.
09:30:52 We don't think it would affect the ordinance at all, as
09:30:55 it relates to billboards.
09:30:56 And it should not at all affect your settlement
09:31:00 discussions with those billboard companies.
09:31:02 I'd be happy to answer any questions.
09:31:05 President of the company John Savey is also here and
09:31:08 we'd be happy to address any concerns that you have.
09:31:11 Thank you.
09:31:11 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Okay, let me just couple want to
09:31:14 But let me make counseling aware in the strategic plan
09:31:18 me, count man Linda Saul-Sena brought up a very valid
09:31:21 issue, and that is during public comment, either we are
09:31:24 going to respond to everybody or wait until the end to
09:31:26 do that.
09:31:27 I want to be fair.
09:31:28 So, because we just discussed it, I'm going to allow
09:31:31 that today, but in the future keep that in mind.
09:31:34 When we have public comment is appropriate for us to at
09:31:36 least let the public speak and then respond to them
09:31:38 after they finish.
09:31:39 So, and secondly, I want to remind, be conscience of
09:31:42 the time today.
09:31:43 We have a busy agenda.
09:31:45 I have to leave at 11:30 to do a proclamation for the
09:31:49 national day of prayer for the mayor.
09:31:51 And so, then we have a busy afternoon.
09:31:53 So be cognizant of our time today.
09:31:55 We do have a heavy agenda?
09:31:58 Councilmember Miranda, Councilman Dingfelder, then
09:32:03 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
09:32:05 Mr. Conn, I have known you since, when I had curls.
09:32:08 You're an outstanding individual.
09:32:09 You have served us so diligently at Tampa Bay water,
09:32:12 the attorney, when I sat next to you and you were very
09:32:15 kind to guide me through a lot of troubled waters.
09:32:20 Let me explain why, or try to explain why that's there.
09:32:24 As you heard the prior statement that I made, I want
09:32:28 everything's to in a playing field.
09:32:30 If I'm going to change something that has to do with
09:32:33 lighting, I want the government and the government
09:32:35 agencies not to have anything more than what I'm giving
09:32:40 private entities.
09:32:41 Let me also say and maybe I shouldn't say this, but
09:32:44 knowing me, whatever comes to my mind is what I say.
09:32:47 If we were to have a fight ordinance of those shelters,
09:32:53 it would never pass.
09:32:54 I tell you why.
09:32:55 Because when you take the two-face signs you have in
09:32:57 the corner, they equal to the total sums of the square
09:33:00 footage, of the stand.
09:33:03 And you don't see buildings allow that in the City of
09:33:06 Tampa, allowed in the City of Tampa.
09:33:08 Why -- I'm partly responsible for putting that in.
09:33:12 And I'll tell you why.
09:33:13 I want to make sure that those four by eights or
09:33:17 three by eights -- I didn't get off and mesh them,
09:33:20 but I saw them and did take a couple pictures, like I
09:33:24 did other signs.
09:33:25 That the illumination is not any greater, but equal to
09:33:30 no more than what the ordinance is today.
09:33:33 In other words, if it's a three foot-candle watt, it
09:33:36 can't be more than three foot-candle watt.
09:33:39 There should be no digitals at that eye level.
09:33:41 Why do I say that?
09:33:43 Because digitals at eye level are certainly much more
09:33:46 dangerous, in my opinion, and critical to avoiding
09:33:51 accidents that anywhere else.
09:33:53 I know you represent a client and I have nothing but
09:33:57 admiration for you and your client.
09:33:59 But in saying that, we, government, are stupid.
09:34:04 Say that again.
09:34:07 We're stupid.
09:34:08 If we go out and bring millions of dollars in for
09:34:12 buses, you mean to tell me the feds or somebody can't
09:34:17 build a nice, outstanding shelter?
09:34:21 They don't do that.
09:34:24 So, your good people come in and do what we're supposed
09:34:29 to do.
09:34:30 And there's where the problem lies.
09:34:32 When we have -- we produce fire trucks.
09:34:37 All kinds of vehicles for emergency, police vehicles.
09:34:40 Public works vehicles.
09:34:42 We spend millions on those things.
09:34:44 But for the poor people riding the bus, not poor in
09:34:47 money, but those that chose to do that, choose to do
09:34:50 that and ride the bus, we don't take care of.
09:34:54 That's my only statement.
09:34:55 And I hope you understand it.
09:34:58 >> Could I?
09:34:59 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Well, I don't want to get into a
09:35:01 Our time is very important.
09:35:02 We have sit -- citizens still standing.
09:35:05 Councilman Dingfelder, then Councilwoman Mulhern.
09:35:10 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Just a quick question.
09:35:11 Thanks for coming.
09:35:12 The two main issues that are addressed in the section 6
09:35:16 here are, that the -- we wouldn't have digital signage
09:35:20 in the shelters, old shelters or new shelters.
09:35:24 I don't think your company has a problem with that, do
09:35:27 >> We do not have digitals.
09:35:28 There is digital technology.
09:35:30 But it is not being used here in Tampa.
09:35:32 Frankly, it's not allowed here in Tampa right now.
09:35:35 So, there would have to be a change in the ordinance in
09:35:38 order for digitals to be allowed.
09:35:40 We simply would ask you to --
09:35:43 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I didn't finish my question.
09:35:46 And then, I'm on the HART board.
09:35:48 It's never been my understanding digit the take was
09:35:51 part of the equation for these shelters.
09:35:53 By eliminating digital, I'm comfortable with that.
09:35:57 I don't want digital at street level in our community.
09:36:01 Some future Council changes their mind, fine.
09:36:03 But then the other part I think that you do have a
09:36:05 problem with is the illumination and foot-candles, is
09:36:09 that correct?
09:36:10 >> Yes.
09:36:10 We haven't had an opportunity to determine whether or
09:36:13 not the change is going to affect us or not.
09:36:16 We are worried about unintended consequences.
09:36:19 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Okay.
09:36:20 >>MARY MULHERN: Thank you, Mr. Conn.
09:36:23 You didn't know about this until after the, this was
09:36:26 >> We were contacted with 48 hours ago by HART.
09:36:29 >>MARY MULHERN: I voted against this ordinance
09:36:36 passing, or drafting this ordinance for this very
09:36:40 That, you know, I disagree with Mr. Miranda, but
09:36:43 neither of us has done a study of this.
09:36:45 And we -- I think -- to me it seems like a digital
09:36:50 billboard at a bus shelter, people who are sitting or
09:36:53 standing waiting for the bus are going to see it, or
09:36:56 people who perhaps are driving by.
09:36:58 But you're not going to be seeing it for miles away.
09:37:00 But you know what?
09:37:01 I don't know what I'm talking about.
09:37:03 I don't know about that.
09:37:04 I haven't done the studies.
09:37:06 I have read some of them.
09:37:08 They're all industry-based.
09:37:09 And I don't know, if there have been studies of that on
09:37:14 the street level, but I know those have been around all
09:37:16 over the world for years and years and years.
09:37:19 So we are talking about two different things.
09:37:21 So, my feeling, I think we should pull that section
09:37:29 If this Council decides to pass this today.
09:37:32 Because I don't think -- it's been identified in here.
09:37:36 We have been pushed to do this ordinance in order to
09:37:39 settle a lawsuit with some other companies.
09:37:42 And you're telling us that we have a problem with
09:37:45 another industry.
09:37:46 So, I think we should pull it.
09:37:48 But I also think that this points out the fact that we
09:37:51 are creating policy that is not based on enough
09:37:58 evidence at this point.
09:37:59 And I want to remind everybody who's watching this
09:38:02 meeting, that there is a national study going on by the
09:38:06 federal highway traffic safety -- I'm not sure if I got
09:38:10 the right acronym.
09:38:12 But I think that's what it is.
09:38:13 And they're doing it because other cities that have put
09:38:17 these in place have a public that is not happy with it.
09:38:20 The billboards.
09:38:21 So, again, I think that we need -- there's no urgency
09:38:27 in passing this.
09:38:28 And here, you know, we find out that even industry
09:38:33 that's being affected by this new ordinance is not
09:38:36 happy with it.
09:38:38 So for me, I appreciate your being here to point that
09:38:44 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Just to clarify, you're saying the
09:38:46 bus shelters are being built and maintained by your
09:38:51 >> That's correct.
09:38:52 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: And the funding for that is coming
09:38:54 as revenue from the advertising within the shelters?
09:38:58 >> That's correct.
09:38:58 And 21% of that revenue is returned to HART.
09:39:01 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Okay.
09:39:02 Do you know how HART is funded compared to other
09:39:04 municipalities in the state?
09:39:06 I believe that what we spend in our jurisdiction on
09:39:09 public transportation is significantly less than other,
09:39:13 than other transportation entities in the state and in
09:39:16 the country.
09:39:17 So, the bus shelters that are provided give a service
09:39:20 to the clients of HART that otherwise we couldn't
09:39:23 afford to provide.
09:39:24 Is that correct?
09:39:25 >> Thank you.
09:39:26 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Thank you.
09:39:27 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Okay.
09:39:29 Council, you just gave validity to why we're not going
09:39:32 to take in more comments from the.
09:39:36 We'll hear from the public.
09:39:38 Any other thing you have, write it down and raise that
09:39:41 question afterwards.
09:39:42 Next speaker?
09:39:44 >> Good morning, Council.
09:39:45 Spencer Kass.
09:39:46 1,001 north had Howard Frankland avenue.
09:39:49 The first is item 70, which is a staff report that
09:39:53 deals with the lighting and how you're dealing with
09:39:55 I only want to address number four of the staff's
09:39:58 response to that.
09:39:59 Which has to do with LED streetlights.
09:40:02 Basically they say they're not cost effective.
09:40:05 The reason they're saying that is because TECO, from
09:40:07 what I understand, isn't willing to kickback to the
09:40:10 city any part of the savings from the maintenance
09:40:15 But I also want to point out there's a lot of federal
09:40:17 funds available for these streetlights.
09:40:19 This could end up costing the city absolutely nothing
09:40:22 to replace these streetlights.
09:40:24 There are other municipalities that have gotten
09:40:27 millions of dollars to replace some streetlights.
09:40:29 Can't do any of that unless an LED street light is on
09:40:32 the list of things you can purchase.
09:40:34 What I'd like to ask is Council ask the administration
09:40:37 within 30 details to come back with agreement with TECO
09:40:40 to add LED street lights as an option.
09:40:43 Whatever the price.
09:40:44 So at least then, other departments can go and see if
09:40:46 they can get some federal funds.
09:40:48 Next is item 67, the newsracks.
09:40:51 First I want to thank legal for spending a great deal
09:40:54 of time with everybody.
09:40:55 We had a very long meeting, an hour and a half.
09:40:57 Unfortunately, there is no agreement on this.
09:40:59 Between the neighborhoods, the businesses and the -- I
09:41:03 just want to point out, you have one side which is the
09:41:06 people who install the newsracks and other side, which
09:41:09 is everybody else.
09:41:09 I'm going to put into the record an ordinance from the
09:41:12 city of Fort Lauderdale.
09:41:13 It has over 30 protections in their ordinance.
09:41:16 None of which are in your ordinance.
09:41:18 I want to point out that things like graffiti, painting
09:41:26 them, the height, how many can be stacked next to each
09:41:29 Can you end up at your new park with a row of newsracks
09:41:32 all in front.
09:41:33 Your brand new park downtown?
09:41:34 The answer is absolutely.
09:41:35 There's no limit to how many of these things you can
09:41:37 put next to each other.
09:41:38 I also want to point out that you require site plans
09:41:42 for people who put up awnings.
09:41:44 You require site plans for people who want restaurants,
09:41:46 outdoor cafes.
09:41:49 Why do those people have to do so much more work than
09:41:52 the newsrack people in I don't upper.
09:41:54 An awning sits above the right-of-way.
09:41:57 It's not in anybody's path.
09:41:59 Fort Lauderdale also says there should be a minimum of
09:42:01 five feet in front of a newsrack.
09:42:03 That's the turn radios for a wheelchair.
09:42:07 City of Tampa says well, we're going with four because
09:42:10 that's enough for a wheelchair to roll by but not turn
09:42:13 I think what we're doing, if you pass this as is, is
09:42:15 opening the city up for lawsuits.
09:42:17 A lot of lawsuits.
09:42:18 I asked transportation, can they guarantee without site
09:42:21 plans that these things are actually going to go on
09:42:24 public property?
09:42:24 They said they cannot.
09:42:25 So, I mean we have already had an incident where they
09:42:29 have tried to eye it in the City of Tampa and put in a
09:42:32 sidewalk and it went right on private property.
09:42:34 It was my private property.
09:42:36 I mean, I even had to pay for the survey and that's
09:42:39 what's going to happen with neighborhood associations.
09:42:41 You also have the policy in place that says new
09:42:43 construction, you have to put in a sidewalk.
09:42:45 So if crime understanding how this works in the City of
09:42:47 Tampa, I want to put up a new million, invest a million
09:42:50 dollars in the city.
09:42:51 Then I'm told by the city, you have to put in a
09:42:54 sidewalk, I put in a walk and they automatically get
09:42:56 the rights to the newsrack on the sidewalk I just paid
09:42:59 To me that's a subsidy and it's wrong.
09:43:01 I'll submit one company of Fort Lauderdale so you can
09:43:05 take a look at all the different restrictions in that.
09:43:08 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you, sir.
09:43:08 Next speaker?
09:43:16 >>THOMAS SCOTT: If you run copies of that, please, and
09:43:18 pass them out.
09:43:19 >> Good morning, Council.
09:43:20 I'll will Ford Johnson, 465 Longfellow avenue.
09:43:24 I want to speak on two things.
09:43:26 One is the billboards are, 66.
09:43:28 And the newsracks, 67.
09:43:31 Under the billboards, actually it was a request by the
09:43:37 billboard companies to change the distance from the
09:43:40 standpoint of where they measure illumination.
09:43:44 They brought to our attention, because this is focused
09:43:46 in on the distance involved from the standpoint of how
09:43:51 close these signs can be from a residential property.
09:43:55 Actually, within the ordinance, I think as presented to
09:44:02 you, it's set up on the basis the sign has to be at
09:44:05 least 200 feet from the residential.
09:44:07 Yet, they're going to measure how bright it is at
09:44:10 250 feet.
09:44:11 So, this seems to be kind of out of whack.
09:44:15 It needs to be looked at and we need to bring that in
09:44:18 I think under your original billboard ordinance, not
09:44:20 digital, but the original billboard ordinance, it's
09:44:25 said 500 feet from a residence.
09:44:28 Perhaps that should be what you choose here.
09:44:30 As respects the newsracks, you had a letter from Thomas
09:44:40 and Cicero, attorney firm.
09:44:43 And in there, they made reference to the fact that
09:44:45 there is a few citizens who have expressed concern
09:44:49 about individual newsracks.
09:44:51 Well, it's more than that.
09:44:52 We discussed this at FAN meeting and we have 44, 45
09:44:58 associations that are member of FAN.
09:45:00 And that represents several thousands citizens.
09:45:05 And we unanimously ask that, and letter was sent to you
09:45:09 by Fred Yural, our secretary.
09:45:12 We unanimously ask that you turn this over to a study
09:45:16 committee and or ask legal to come back with legal
09:45:21 reasons and legal ramifications from the standpoint of
09:45:28 keeping newsracks out of neighborhoods.
09:45:31 Residential neighborhoods.
09:45:33 That's not a place for them.
09:45:35 And this was brought up, discussed in that information
09:45:38 And there was no indication of any concession on the
09:45:41 part of the newspaper companies and so forth to put, to
09:45:45 keep their racks out of neighborhoods.
09:45:46 So, we think that needs to be looked at.
09:45:49 And we would request that you, that you do a study and
09:45:53 let's try to find some ways to keep newsracks out of
09:45:57 Thank you.
09:45:58 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Okay.
09:45:58 Thank you.
09:45:58 Next speaker?
09:46:01 >> Good morning, Council.
09:46:03 My name is Allen Snell, 1203 east pal hat tan avenue,
09:46:08 in Tampa, Florida.
09:46:09 I'm the director of SWFBUD, Southwest Florida Bicycle
09:46:13 United Dealers.
09:46:15 I'm here to talk about the bicycle topic on the agenda.
09:46:18 Two months ago, I was lucky enough to attend the
09:46:21 national bike summit in Washington, D.C.
09:46:24 I was among 700 bicycle leaders from across the leader
09:46:28 who talked with congressman to adopt bicycle friendly
09:46:31 And also engage in some seminars.
09:46:33 And I was also witness to history two months ago at
09:46:38 that summit, the top transportation official, Ray
09:46:42 LaHood, our secretary of transportation, declared a
09:46:45 safe change regarding the way roadways and
09:46:47 right-of-ways are built.
09:46:48 And that, what he meant was that bicyclist and
09:46:51 pedestrians would be taken into consideration as equal
09:46:55 players in the planning of roadways and right-of-ways.
09:47:00 Unfortunately, Pam Iorio didn't quite get the memo on
09:47:03 that, because within the past few weeks, she killed a
09:47:06 city plan to put bike lanes in on Euclid.
09:47:11 Your transportation manager, Jean Dorzback presented a
09:47:14 plan to put bike lanes on Euclid avenue.
09:47:19 And it was a sound transportation plan.
09:47:22 It would serve as an alternative for bicyclists to get
09:47:25 around the city by avoiding Gandy, which is a busy
09:47:28 road, and going on Euclid.
09:47:30 Instead, what the city is now proposing is to put what
09:47:34 is called share rows, which is nothing more than
09:47:38 validating what the bicyclists had the right in the
09:47:42 first place, to be in the road.
09:47:45 A sharro will be printed on the road with share the
09:47:48 road signs.
09:47:49 These are fine, but they're not bike lines that we
09:47:52 really needed.
09:47:53 So, I'm here to ask Council to instruct staff in
09:47:58 response to this issue, to conduct a public bicycle
09:48:04 sharro information campaign to explain to the public
09:48:08 what these stenciled images of bicycles will be on the
09:48:11 road with the share the road signs.
09:48:13 Which basically like I said, is simply value dating a
09:48:17 bicyclists right to the road.
09:48:18 In addition, I asked Lorie Snively, the DOT bicycle
09:48:24 pedestrian coordinator for this particular district,
09:48:27 district 7, to look at putting messages, bicyclists
09:48:31 safety messages on electronic signs in the City of
09:48:34 Tampa and in Hillsborough County.
09:48:37 And she said the DOT has approved two related bicycle
09:48:42 One is share the road, bicycles are vehicles.
09:48:45 The other is, it's the law, give bicycles three feet
09:48:49 when passing.
09:48:50 I have her e-mail here.
09:48:52 She informed me that it's really up to local government
09:48:55 to put these messages on electronic boards around your
09:48:59 Your city has a history of neglecting bicyclists.
09:49:03 And now it's playing camp up.
09:49:05 Part of that catch up means educating the motoring
09:49:09 public they need to be courteous and also comply with
09:49:12 the law.
09:49:13 Give bicycles three feet when passing.
09:49:15 So that is my second request.
09:49:17 Ask Council to please instruct staff to simply add
09:49:20 those two messages to the DOT allowable messages that
09:49:25 you have on electronic signs.
09:49:26 Thank you very much.
09:49:28 I think the City of Tampa can turn things around.
09:49:31 Miami just like Tampa, was deemed one of the worst
09:49:34 cities for bicycling in the country two years ago.
09:49:36 They have turned it around.
09:49:37 I think you guys can too.
09:49:39 >> Okay, thank you.
09:49:40 Next speaker?
09:49:43 >> Good morning.
09:49:43 Robert Curry.
09:49:45 With atheists of Florida.
09:49:48 I'm the executive director 3614 south Manhattan avenue.
09:49:52 Like to talk about the first item the gentleman spoke
09:49:54 about regarding the billboards at bus stations.
09:49:57 This is a concern for us.
09:49:59 I'd like those with atheists of Florida to please
09:50:05 We are concerned about our votes.
09:50:06 Bicyclists have not been heard here.
09:50:08 But certainly atheists have been heard less.
09:50:13 We'd like to advertise on these stands.
09:50:15 Today, you heard about the National Day of Prayer.
09:50:18 I'd like to let you know and the City of Tampa that
09:50:20 today is also the national day of reason.
09:50:22 Celebrated by millions of Americans and we are atheists
09:50:26 of Florida, together with the Tampa Bay coalition of
09:50:29 reason would love to use billboards to advertising
09:50:31 stands at the bus stations to advertise that we
09:50:35 advocate and encourage people to donate blood because
09:50:38 that's a practical thing to do to support the national
09:50:41 day of reason.
09:50:42 In fact, we'll be donating blood today right down at
09:50:45 Kennedy, the blood drive place.
09:50:46 So, it's very important to us to have this ability to
09:50:50 speak up.
09:50:51 And I'd like to thank Chairman Scott, who has in the
09:50:54 past said atheists do have a voice.
09:50:58 Thank you very much.
09:50:59 I think you're doing a better job than the mayor of
09:51:03 Lakeland, who attempted to silence atheists.
09:51:07 It's extremely important to us to be able to speak out.
09:51:10 Because we don't get special prevention at the
09:51:12 beginning of this meeting.
09:51:13 Like you come and call a clergy member.
09:51:14 I want to hear someone pray to a God, I would have gone
09:51:17 to a Jewish synagogue or something like that.
09:51:21 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Keep your comments to the item on the
09:51:24 >> We could advertise about that.
09:51:26 If you want to pray, pray in church.
09:51:28 We could advertise that if you want to pray, pray in
09:51:30 your closet like Jesus tells you, I'm sure as a
09:51:35 reverend, Chairman Scott, you're familiar with that
09:51:37 Bible verse, Jesus says don't be one of these pious
09:51:42 politicians who goes out to pray and make a spectacle.
09:51:45 >>THOMAS SCOTT: You got to keep your comments to the
09:51:48 things on the agenda.
09:51:49 >> One thing we'd like to use advertising signs is
09:51:51 point out that we want to bring to the public's
09:51:54 attention that atheists deserve respect.
09:51:56 We want to encourage people through this opportunity to
09:52:00 advertise to ask the people running for congress,
09:52:03 running for senate, like Charlie Crist, who recently,
09:52:07 this year, earlier turned his back on someone because
09:52:10 he was an atheist, looked over and thank you for chuck
09:52:13 willing, I appreciate the amount of time you're
09:52:15 spending listening.
09:52:16 But, if you would like to listen --
09:52:20 >>THOMAS SCOTT: And water wasting the time, unless you
09:52:23 speak to tissue on the agenda.
09:52:24 I'm trying to be kind and let you speak to the issue on
09:52:27 the agenda.
09:52:27 You're not doing that.
09:52:29 >> Well, I think that it is connected because these
09:52:34 signs give us the opportunity to advertise and I did
09:52:37 not hear you berating anyone else who went off a little
09:52:40 bit off topic.
09:52:41 I did not hear you berating anyone --
09:52:44 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Sir, the issue today is that you have
09:52:47 to speak to the issue on the agenda.
09:52:49 Council is going to be dealing with today.
09:52:50 That's to be the subject matter.
09:52:54 >> I'm the one to take this out of the item that you're
09:52:59 voting on today.
09:53:00 Number 67.
09:53:01 Paragraph 6.
09:53:03 So, the reason that atheists of Florida would encourage
09:53:07 to you do that, because we value freedom of speech.
09:53:10 The same as Charlie Miranda, who recognizes that this,
09:53:14 that these chambers are free speech area and no one can
09:53:17 silence when we say the pledge we learned it.
09:53:20 We want the opportunity only to be heard.
09:53:23 We want the same consideration, the same respect, the
09:53:27 same human decency that you offer anyone else.
09:53:30 If you run for mayor of Tampa in the future, Chairman
09:53:32 Scott, are you going to turn your back on atheists?
09:53:36 >> Is that on the agenda?
09:53:38 >> No.
09:53:39 >> It's not on the agenda.
09:53:40 Well, perhaps we'll put in an advertisement.
09:53:43 So I want you to consider that when you make your
09:53:46 But thank you for your time.
09:53:48 And again, atheists will not be silenced.
09:53:51 We'll be heard.
09:53:52 And that's going to be seen now and in the future.
09:53:57 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Next speaker?
09:54:00 >> My name --
09:54:01 >>THOMAS SCOTT: No, sir.
09:54:02 No, sir.
09:54:04 >> What?
09:54:05 >>THOMAS SCOTT: We have other people over here going to
09:54:07 speak to directly to items on the agenda.
09:54:09 >> I don't know that that's the case.
09:54:10 How do I know that?
09:54:12 >> When they come up, you would know.
09:54:14 >> How do I know that?
09:54:16 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Sir, if you don't mind, you will get a
09:54:18 chance to be heard later on in the.
09:54:20 >> But I don't understand how do I know that?
09:54:24 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Sir?
09:54:26 Again, if you're going to speak to items on the agenda,
09:54:31 number item that Council going to be taking up today,
09:54:34 you have first preference.
09:54:35 Whatever time remaining, anybody can come up with any
09:54:39 That is Council policy and rule.
09:54:42 We're not trying to silence anybody in the audience
09:54:45 that want to speak.
09:54:46 However, preference is given to items that are the
09:54:49 agenda that we're going to be dealing with today.
09:54:54 >> How do we know?
09:54:56 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Okay.
09:54:57 Let's find out.
09:54:58 Those who are going to speak on items on the agenda,
09:55:01 raise your hand.
09:55:02 There we go.
09:55:03 >> Marcus, 213 south Cheryl.
09:55:06 With the billboard issue, I know that Mr. Johnson made
09:55:10 some statements about the distance from residential.
09:55:13 But unfortunately, they were incorrect.
09:55:16 I was trying to get the correct information, because
09:55:20 there's so many numbers involved.
09:55:21 It's difficult to keep them straight.
09:55:23 And I would ask Julia Cole, if you would, to please
09:55:26 give the correct numbers for the distance from
09:55:29 residential, because it's differed, if it's on a
09:55:32 regular road or if it's the area from the -- that's
09:55:39 number one.
09:55:40 And then to change the 150 to 250 is a major issue,
09:55:45 because when you get the right numbers, then that
09:55:48 bright light does shine on the residential.
09:55:51 So that's got to be -- well, looked into very
09:55:56 Before you pass anything today.
09:55:58 The second issue on the billboards is regarding the bus
09:56:05 Always I understood, it was just, we wouldn't have the
09:56:09 digital signs.
09:56:10 I don't think it said they couldn't have advertising.
09:56:12 And, nor that they couldn't have lighting in there.
09:56:16 I don't think it says that.
09:56:17 So, to pull it for that reason is, I think, a
09:56:22 misunderstanding of what it actually says.
09:56:24 The other issue is the newsracks.
09:56:26 That ordinance coming to you today is a detriment.
09:56:31 Not only to residential, but to, even to businesses,
09:56:38 because they could have a string of these boxes that go
09:56:43 on and on and on, as you heard earlier.
09:56:45 So please, I'll be remaining to see what you do with
09:56:49 But, the other issue has to do with the budget item,
09:56:54 whether utility tax is being transferred into the
09:56:58 general fund.
09:57:00 I just heard about this in the last 24 hours.
09:57:03 And because that utility tax is put in place for
09:57:08 capital improvements, I think these bike lanes are
09:57:14 capital improvements.
09:57:15 There's a lot of things that are capital improvements
09:57:18 that we know we need, but this is now being put into
09:57:23 the general fund, and it can be used for anything
09:57:26 whatsoever the city, I think it says anything that the
09:57:30 city can legally use monies for.
09:57:32 So, Dan hasn't reviewed this, because I just found out
09:57:36 about it myself.
09:57:37 So, I hope that Council really thinks hard about doing
09:57:41 that, because we -- I know we need money in the funds
09:57:45 to run the city.
09:57:46 But we also need capital improvements.
09:57:48 A sideline about El Prado, I think -- I mean Euclid, I
09:57:55 think possibly the neighbors may have brought to the
09:57:58 mayor's attention that Euclid is a residential street.
09:58:00 And many people do park their cars on Euclid.
09:58:05 And for to you have a bike path, many of them would
09:58:08 have to park on their lawns.
09:58:09 I don't think we want that either.
09:58:11 So, I think there are places to put it and places not
09:58:14 But that's for the bikes to understand they may have
09:58:19 been some concerns expressed.
09:58:21 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you very much.
09:58:22 Next speaker?
09:58:24 >>MARY MULHERN: Can I just say one thing?
09:58:28 I just want to point out that's on second reading, the
09:58:31 utility tax, so it is a public hearing.
09:58:33 Number 45.
09:58:35 >> Good morning, Council, bill, 3707 west Cleveland,
09:58:40 lawn air neighborhood association.
09:58:42 First I'd like to say one, I believe the staff has done
09:58:45 a phenomenal job on what they have done on this
09:58:51 [ Laughter ]
09:58:55 >> I think that was from the time left over.
09:59:00 >> So I wanted to thank staff because they have been
09:59:03 very cooperative.
09:59:04 And helped me a lot.
09:59:05 One of the things I asked them to do was put something
09:59:07 relative to noise.
09:59:08 They told me there's already a code on noise.
09:59:11 So last night, thanks to the staff, they sent me out,
09:59:14 and said here's what it is.
09:59:16 I went and checked the signs out myself with this
09:59:18 digital calculator here.
09:59:22 And it basically tells you that all the signs that are
09:59:25 setting right now in the county that are electric, are
09:59:28 too noisy to meet the code.
09:59:29 Which is fine.
09:59:30 So that means they won't be able to put them in unless
09:59:33 they reduce the noise.
09:59:34 So we are happy with that.
09:59:36 Just want to get it on the record that they are above
09:59:38 the current level allowed in the code.
09:59:41 So just wanted Council to be aware of that.
09:59:44 So it's not a problem they're not in the new documents.
09:59:47 The next thing is, secondly, is, there's a new thing
09:59:53 coming up that's going to be before Council and I'm
09:59:55 going to tie this back to the signs.
09:59:57 Has to do with the Tampa comprehensive plan.
10:00:00 Where they're going to request a change to urban mixed
10:00:04 use 60, from what it is currently now, which is R 20.
10:00:08 At the corner of Dale Mabry and Kennedy.
10:00:10 And here's what I'm going to tie it back in.
10:00:14 The 75 feet they're asking for will now allow that sign
10:00:17 to be placed much closer to the residential
10:00:21 neighborhood if it's allowed to pass.
10:00:24 It's coming up later.
10:00:25 But if it's allowed, that's one of these unintended
10:00:28 consequences is, we don't have something in here about
10:00:30 So, if you looked at what's happened here.
10:00:32 -- is this on?
10:00:35 >> This is this about the issue on that particular
10:00:38 >> Just want to tie the sign in with the fact that if
10:00:41 this happens, unintended consequences, they can put a
10:00:44 sign on that property.
10:00:45 And we can't stop them because they have now got an
10:00:48 extra 75 feet on towards rowland.
10:00:51 >> The appropriate time to raise that issue, either
10:00:53 raise the issue now, but I'm concerned you're getting
10:00:56 into specific facts of a specific parcel.
10:00:58 You could come at that time and that might be a reason
10:01:00 why you may be opposed to it.
10:01:02 But you could talk in the abstract, but I prefer if you
10:01:05 did not get into the specifics of the particular piece
10:01:07 of property coming before Council.
10:01:09 >> I understand.
10:01:10 >> I apologize, but that keeps things clean.
10:01:13 >> The only point I want to make is, that if that gets
10:01:15 approved, we have nothing in the current code that's
10:01:18 before Council that's going to prevent Council or us
10:01:22 from stopping that sign to go up.
10:01:24 And that property has been vacant since 2001, with lots
10:01:27 of promises of what they would do.
10:01:29 None of it's ever happened.
10:01:31 So bottom line is the sign goes up with the current
10:01:34 plan that you have the code, you're putting forth for
10:01:36 Council, that sign can be put on that property and we
10:01:38 can't stop it.
10:01:39 Now, I'm not saying that's what the property should be
10:01:43 used for.
10:01:43 I'm just saying that can happen.
10:01:45 I'm asking to you consider that in whatever you do.
10:01:47 Because if you're going to approve the other, then we
10:01:49 are going to set up a situation with the sign that's
10:01:52 not going to be a good one.
10:01:53 Thank you for your time.
10:01:54 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Okay, thank you, sir.
10:01:56 Next speaker?
10:02:00 >> Good morning, Council.
10:02:01 Ann Kulig representing the Westshore Alliance, 3109
10:02:05 West Martin Luther King.
10:02:07 I have been here before about item 67, the newsracks.
10:02:09 We have been before you many times to talk about our
10:02:11 Westshore overlay district, which deals primarily, or a
10:02:14 lot with aesthetics in the district.
10:02:17 As Spencer Kass reiterated earlier, there's lots of
10:02:21 requirements for private property owners, for sign
10:02:23 regulations, landscaping, brought millions and hundreds
10:02:26 of millions of dollars into properties as required by
10:02:29 the city, and within the newsrack ordinance as it is,
10:02:33 the ability to place these single newsracks pretty much
10:02:36 anywhere they want, it's going to be an issue.
10:02:39 In the current code as it is written, if a property
10:02:43 owner doesn't want it there, there's a process to
10:02:45 request for removal.
10:02:47 The city attorney has indicated that's kind of a first
10:02:50 amendment free speech.
10:02:52 We can't deal with that issue.
10:02:53 So it needs to come out.
10:02:54 But I think this ordinance originally was being written
10:02:57 to allow modular newsracks.
10:02:59 Which in my opinion is an aesthetic improvement.
10:03:03 They're more regulated, more structured design.
10:03:05 You don't have the rainbow of ten different colors of
10:03:08 newsracks cluttering a sidewalk.
10:03:10 But it's one modular well designed newsrack.
10:03:13 But in the process of doing that, I think you've
10:03:16 created some other concerns with these individual
10:03:18 newsracks that can pretty much be placed anywhere
10:03:20 people want them, as long as they're meeting separation
10:03:23 So, we just ask that you look at those individual
10:03:26 newsracks a little further.
10:03:28 And consider some of the aesthetic concerns related to
10:03:32 Thank you.
10:03:32 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you very much.
10:03:33 Next speaker?
10:03:36 >> Good morning.
10:03:37 My name is clearly Phillips, 3410 east shadow lawn.
10:03:42 I want to speak on item number 64, concerning the
10:03:45 My son was going to the park until they raised the
10:03:50 I cannot afford the new fees.
10:03:52 So he was still attending the park.
10:03:55 Then I found out Tuesday, he cannot can come on the
10:03:58 property any longer.
10:03:59 Now, I'm not understanding why he can't come on the
10:04:04 I thought it was a public park.
10:04:05 And you could go to the park.
10:04:07 Now, I was informed that he cannot come to the park.
10:04:10 The summer is coming up.
10:04:12 School is out.
10:04:13 So he can't go to the park for the summer either?
10:04:15 I'm trying to understand what's going on with the park
10:04:18 They incorporate this red card, okay.
10:04:22 Okay, I purchase a red card.
10:04:26 So now he can't even come on the property?
10:04:28 It's a public park.
10:04:29 He can go to the pack.
10:04:31 I was understanding any child could go to the park.
10:04:33 So now he can't go to the park?
10:04:35 The summer is coming up.
10:04:37 Going to be out of school, so he can't go to the park
10:04:40 and participate in any of the activities on the park?
10:04:42 I'm trying to find out what's going on with the park
10:04:47 >>GWEN MILLER: Which park?
10:04:49 >> Fairoaks.
10:04:51 >>GWEN MILLER: Would you go to the back, my aide will
10:04:53 get information.
10:04:55 >> Go to the back and talk?
10:04:56 >> My aide Libby.
10:05:01 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: We have scholarships available.
10:05:02 That's the point.
10:05:03 We have scholarships available.
10:05:06 >> I did go to one of the meetings, and the
10:05:08 scholarships was $25 a week.
10:05:10 I cannot afford that.
10:05:12 >>GWEN MILLER: We'll get that straightened out for you.
10:05:15 Go with the aide and she'll tell you where to go.
10:05:17 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you, ma'am.
10:05:19 >> Good morning.
10:05:20 I am Elder Michelle B. Patty, P.O. Box 4624 Tampa,
10:05:27 I'm here this morning standing in the gap, for the
10:05:29 young people that would be killed, hurt, and
10:05:35 incarcerated this summer, because they have nowhere to
10:05:40 I'm also standing here on behalf of seniors, who have
10:05:44 enjoyed the parks, but will not be able to attend these
10:05:49 parks any longer.
10:05:50 It's good to hear about scholarships.
10:05:53 But when you're facing a mortgage, when you're facing,
10:05:57 trying to put food on your table, there is no monies
10:06:00 left for scholarships.
10:06:02 The parks should be open to all that would love to
10:06:06 We see that we're headed for a long, hot summer.
10:06:11 I stand before you as a victim, my son was murdered by
10:06:17 another youth because he had nothing to do.
10:06:20 Our children are bored.
10:06:23 And I cannot for the life of me understand a Council
10:06:28 who would rather see that we have more police, which
10:06:32 would cost more money, build more prisons than to put
10:06:36 preventive measures in place to save our youth.
10:06:40 It is time that we put common sense into good
10:06:46 Our children need a safe place to enjoy this summer.
10:06:52 So, we're asking you, please on behalf of those who
10:07:00 could not stand here this morning, to put some common
10:07:02 sense into these fees, these outrageous fees that
10:07:07 you're putting on these people that cannot afford to
10:07:10 take care of their families.
10:07:11 And I don't stand here as an idle person.
10:07:14 I put moneys into the park as a taxpayer, also, just
10:07:19 now this morning, I sent money out to Doster center in
10:07:25 Port Tampa, so that our seniors can enjoy some
10:07:29 festivities out there.
10:07:30 I give them my time.
10:07:31 I give them my dollars.
10:07:33 But, we need this Council, please, please, hear these
10:07:38 young people.
10:07:39 Not read about them in a paper, where they burnt
10:07:43 someone alive, as we just heard on yesterday, young man
10:07:47 left in a dumpster.
10:07:48 Because we're going to see more and more of that.
10:07:51 If you do not take a proactive stand here today.
10:07:56 Council, you have that authority to do that.
10:08:00 Yes, we're in a budget crisis.
10:08:03 But we can find somewhere else to cut and not create
10:08:07 more of a crisis on the citizens of this city.
10:08:12 We do not want our people to be attacked, robbed, hurt,
10:08:17 because our children are bored.
10:08:19 Thank you.
10:08:20 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you.
10:08:21 Next speaker?
10:08:24 [ Applause ]
10:08:38 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Mr. Rotella?
10:08:40 >> Good morning.
10:08:40 I wanted to address the item that was previously
10:08:43 submitted to City Council and that's on the inspection
10:08:47 fees that the far martial has now levied for commercial
10:08:53 Our concern is, you can see by the attachment --
10:08:58 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Mr. Rotella, that is not on our agenda
10:09:00 today, so we have to take that up later.
10:09:04 But that is not on our agenda today.
10:09:05 So we give preference first --
10:09:07 >> Okay.
10:09:08 >>THOMAS SCOTT: To items on the agenda first.
10:09:09 And then any item that we have time left for the public
10:09:14 comment, then we take those items up.
10:09:16 >> And that's later on in the day?
10:09:18 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Yes.
10:09:19 Depending how much time we have.
10:09:21 Will be at the end of the meeting.
10:09:22 How much time do we have left on the clock?
10:09:27 >> Started at 9:28.
10:09:28 And it's now ten after 10:00.
10:09:34 >>THOMAS SCOTT: We are over the time.
10:09:35 Mr. Rotella, I'm sure we are going to take this up
10:09:37 later on under new business.
10:09:42 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: New business occurs at the end of
10:09:43 the meeting.
10:09:44 Waivers going to suggest, that we grant ourselves 15
10:09:47 more minutes of one minute presentations each.
10:09:49 To accommodate 15 more people from the public.
10:09:52 15 more minutes.
10:09:54 That's my motion, to have 15 more minutes of one-minute
10:09:57 presentations each.
10:10:00 >>THOMAS SCOTT: One minute presentation?
10:10:02 >> Yes.
10:10:03 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Okay, second to that motion?
10:10:06 Okay, dies for lack of a second.
10:10:08 You mean this afternoon after like 2:30?
10:10:20 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Okay.
10:10:22 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I tried.
10:10:27 >>THOMAS SCOTT: The problem is, that we have a heavy
10:10:29 agenda today.
10:10:29 And a heavy agenda this afternoon.
10:10:31 But Mr. Rotella, we'll take this up under new business.
10:10:35 Let me just allow one other person from this side to
10:10:41 come and speak.
10:10:41 That will be it for the day.
10:10:43 Because we are 35 minutes over.
10:10:44 I'm just going to allow that one person to speak.
10:10:47 And then move on to the agenda.
10:10:51 >> Thank you very much.
10:10:54 My name is John Kieffer.
10:10:56 I'm the president of atheists Florida.
10:10:59 Before I start, I want to thank Councilman Dingfelder
10:11:04 for acknowledging the Vietnam veterans, who were not
10:11:09 I am a Vietnam veteran combat vet.
10:11:11 Also an atheist, and as such, I follow for our
10:11:15 constitutional rights, which includes the first
10:11:18 And that is, includes of course the establishment
10:11:22 I'm here to speak about the invocation clearly violates
10:11:26 the spirit of the church separation, church, state
10:11:31 separation idea.
10:11:31 When you come in here and do an invocation, and I
10:11:36 certainly appreciate the act of bringing in a Rabbi,
10:11:43 which certainly has been a difference from, a change
10:11:45 from all the Christians you've had in here.
10:11:48 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Again, I want you to frame your
10:11:49 comments with the item on the agenda.
10:11:53 >> And the item on the agenda --
10:11:57 >> Give us the number.
10:11:58 >> It's called number zero.
10:12:00 The invocation.
10:12:01 It is on the agenda.
10:12:02 It's very important.
10:12:03 It's a very important issue to us.
10:12:05 I know the other issues are also very important.
10:12:07 But this is a civil rights issue.
10:12:09 We are a religious minority.
10:12:11 And we need to be able to speak today.
10:12:17 >> I'm sorry to interrupt, sir.
10:12:20 I want to be clear because I see along the wall that
10:12:22 there are people here who still have, may have an
10:12:25 opportunity and if there are, please do raise your hand
10:12:27 just so I am not making this up.
10:12:29 If there are people who are here to speak on a numbered
10:12:33 item on the agenda who yet to have that opportunity,
10:12:36 would you please inform that Council by raising your
10:12:39 Now, Mr. Chairman --
10:12:43 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: We're 15 minutes over.
10:12:44 >> That being said, let me be clear what Council's
10:12:47 rules are.
10:12:48 Council does not deny the right of anybody to address
10:12:52 They give preference to the numbered items on the
10:12:55 Mr. Chairman, and anybody who wishes to speak to
10:12:58 Council will have a full opportunity for their full
10:13:02 three minutes at the end of today's meeting.
10:13:05 The items that are going to be taken up today that are
10:13:08 set for public hearing, you will have the items during
10:13:10 the public hearing to address City Council.
10:13:13 The items that are here for first reading, you will
10:13:17 hear the discussion of Council.
10:13:19 If you wish to communicate with Council, those items
10:13:21 are not scheduled to be adopted today.
10:13:23 They will come back in two weeks for a second reading
10:13:28 and a public hearing, during which you'll have the
10:13:31 opportunity to speak.
10:13:31 And again, you'll also, that is the legislative matter,
10:13:34 the opportunity to contact Councilmembers between now
10:13:37 and that meeting.
10:13:38 So, I apologize for those who have not had the
10:13:41 opportunity to speak.
10:13:42 But you will have, per Council's rules, the full
10:13:45 opportunity at the end of today's meeting.
10:13:47 >> That would be great.
10:13:48 I don't want to make mention of the park bench of the
10:13:51 bench, the bus bench idea that you have, as one of the
10:13:55 numbered items.
10:13:56 That my shirt says --
10:13:59 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Sir.
10:13:59 >> I do want to speak on this.
10:14:01 That you do have, the benches out there.
10:14:03 And we look forward to putting our posters on it.
10:14:06 That says don't believe in God, you are not alone.
10:14:10 Thank you very much.
10:14:11 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you very much.
10:14:12 Thank you very much.
10:14:13 That concludes our public comments.
10:14:15 And then what we'll do, during the items that are on
10:14:18 the agenda, if time allows, we'll try to accommodate
10:14:21 those on the wall, if you will.
10:14:25 If you do me a favor, just write on a piece of paper,
10:14:28 give it to the clerk on that item and when we get to
10:14:30 the item, they'll forward total me and I'll try to make
10:14:33 sure you have an opportunity to speak at that time.
10:14:34 I think it's four people on the items on the agenda.
10:14:37 Items on the agenda.
10:14:38 Thank you very much.
10:14:40 We need to move now to -- is anyone here for a
10:14:52 We're going to be taking up, Miss Patty -- Michele?
10:14:55 We're going to be taking up the park issue in about 30
10:14:59 Anyone here wish to request a reconsideration on the
10:15:07 legislative issue in the legislative matter?
10:15:10 If not, we'll take up the ordinance number 3.
10:15:17 Councilman Dingfelder, you want to read number three
10:15:21 for us please?
10:15:26 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Please, as you exit, please remain
10:15:28 quiet as you exit the building please.
10:15:30 Councilman Dingfelder?
10:15:34 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
10:15:35 Just as a, as a preference, I think this was an
10:15:41 excellent ordinance.
10:15:43 I think all of Council's very concerned about the
10:15:49 >>THOMAS SCOTT: If we can hold the noise down, please.
10:15:52 Please Council is still in session.
10:15:53 Thank you.
10:15:55 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I was saying, I thinks it's an
10:15:58 excellent ordinance.
10:15:58 Council is very concerned about the towing that goes on
10:16:01 around the city.
10:16:02 I think it's very aggressive and frankly very hurtful
10:16:05 to our entertainment and restaurant industry.
10:16:08 So, I think we're trying our best to address this in
10:16:12 ordinance, and I'll go ahead and read it for first
10:16:15 reading, ordinance of the City of Tampa, Florida making
10:16:17 comprehensive revisions to the City of Tampa code of
10:16:20 ordinances chapter 14 offenses, amending section 14-48
10:16:23 to clarify the language an of paragraph 14-48 D to make
10:16:28 it unlawful for wrecker drivers to tow vehicles to a
10:16:31 temporary site and not tow the vehicle directly to the
10:16:33 wrecker operator's storage facility.
10:16:37 Providing for repeal of all ordinances in conflict,
10:16:39 providing for severability, providing an effective
10:16:42 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Councilwoman Saul-Sena?
10:16:45 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Thank you.
10:16:46 I would like to ask the two Council representatives who
10:16:48 sit on the public transportation commission, to be, to
10:16:51 be really -- try to help us be more effective with
10:16:56 towing as, Mr. Dingfelder characterized it, as an
10:17:02 aggressive ability.
10:17:03 There are a lot of people who don't see the small
10:17:05 signs, have their vehicle towed.
10:17:09 Are forced to pay usually over $200 in cash.
10:17:12 Given no receipt.
10:17:15 The behavior of some of the tow truck companies is
10:17:18 really not -- it doesn't appear to be very professional
10:17:21 or regulated.
10:17:22 So, to the degree that you're able, as members of the
10:17:25 PTC, to make the tow companies more professional in the
10:17:32 way they deal with the public that is all to the good.
10:17:35 Because right now, there's a lot going on that feels
10:17:37 like it's almost highway robbery rather than
10:17:39 professionally taking people off lots where they're not
10:17:42 supposed to be.
10:17:43 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you.
10:17:44 We'll come to that issue later on about the appointment
10:17:46 to the PTC as well.
10:17:48 Also, Mr. Miranda, this is the ordinance that
10:17:52 Mr. Miranda brought before Council few weeks ago.
10:17:56 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I agree with everything that's been
10:17:59 But these are just some wild cat operators, that some
10:18:03 owner puts up a sign and they, guesswork out some type
10:18:07 of a monetary arrangements.
10:18:09 And this is the results.
10:18:10 By large numbers, they do a good job.
10:18:13 Years ago, we did change something in the 2001, 2000
10:18:18 years where they had a small sign hidden behind the
10:18:21 And now that sign has changed, at least the public is
10:18:25 somewhat notified.
10:18:26 But I appreciate everyone's concern.
10:18:28 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you.
10:18:29 Any other comments?
10:18:30 Yes, Councilwoman Mulhern?
10:18:34 >>MARY MULHERN: I'm not going to be able to serve on
10:18:35 the public transportation.
10:18:37 >>THOMAS SCOTT: We'll bring that up later on.
10:18:39 >>MARY MULHERN: I wanted to say since Miss Saul-Sena
10:18:42 and Mr. Miranda are very involved, they would think
10:18:45 about doing it again.
10:18:47 I nominate you.
10:18:48 I respectfully blind the nomination.
10:18:51 >>THOMAS SCOTT: The motion on the floor.
10:18:52 Moved and second.
10:18:53 Second by Councilman Miranda.
10:18:54 All in favor signify by saying aye.
10:18:58 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried unanimously.
10:19:00 Second reading of the ordinance will be held may the
10:19:01 20th at 9:30 a.m.
10:19:03 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Number four, council man Mulhern you
10:19:06 want to read that.
10:19:07 >>MARY MULHERN: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
10:19:08 I move ordinance placed on first reading consideration,
10:19:11 ordinance of the City of Tampa, Florida making
10:19:13 comprehensive revisions to the City of Tampa code of
10:19:15 ordinances chapter 27, zoning, amending section 27-466,
10:19:20 West Tampa overlay district development design
10:19:23 standards, providing for repeal of all ordinances in
10:19:28 conflict, providing an effective date.
10:19:31 >> Second by Councilman murder.
10:19:34 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Quick question for Julia Cole.
10:19:36 You know I have been working very hard trying to figure
10:19:38 out how to protect historic buildings that are torn
10:19:42 And West Tampa, these rules are better.
10:19:45 However, my understanding is that because West Tampa is
10:19:48 not any kind of protected area, that people can tear
10:19:53 down historic buildings unless the specific buildings
10:19:58 are landmarked.
10:19:59 We don't have contributing structures that are
10:20:03 >> West Tampa is not part of historic district.
10:20:07 It is national historic district.
10:20:09 Not local.
10:20:09 There is a little nuance there.
10:20:11 Because any building in that area, which is part of the
10:20:14 national district, older than 50 years old, they all go
10:20:19 to Dennis Fernandez for review of demolition permits.
10:20:23 However, because part of that is a national historic
10:20:25 district, if there is a property that comes forward
10:20:29 that may be eligible for designation because it's
10:20:33 existing in a national his torque district, there is
10:20:35 additional rights given to historic preservation
10:20:38 commission to determine whether or not that should be
10:20:40 moved forward for designation in those areas other than
10:20:44 the national historic district.
10:20:46 So there is a little bit of a difference between what's
10:20:52 happened within the area that is the national historic
10:20:55 It is not a local historic district, so it doesn't have
10:20:58 all those protections.
10:21:02 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: This is better than what we have.
10:21:04 But I'd love you to see if we Ken large the protection.
10:21:07 Thank you.
10:21:08 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Okay.
10:21:08 Moved and second.
10:21:09 Second by Councilman Miranda.
10:21:11 All in favor signify by saying aye.
10:21:15 >> Motion carried unanimously.
10:21:17 Second reading of the ordinance will be held may the
10:21:19 20th at 9:30 a.m.
10:21:21 >>THOMAS SCOTT: We'll move to our public, to our
10:21:25 committee reports, public safety, Councilwoman Miller.
10:21:29 >>GWEN MILLER: I move resolution 5 through 10.
10:21:33 >> Second.
10:21:33 >>THOMAS SCOTT: All in favor signify by saying aye.
10:21:36 Parks and recreation.
10:21:38 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Thank you.
10:21:39 I'm not clear whether we are holding number 11.
10:21:41 >>THOMAS SCOTT: 11 and 13, we're pulling those.
10:21:43 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Then I'd like to move resolutions,
10:21:45 12, 14, 15 and 16.
10:21:47 >> Second.
10:21:48 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Moved and second.
10:21:49 All in favor signify by saying aye.
10:21:52 Public works, Councilman Miranda.
10:21:55 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Move item 17 through 123.
10:21:58 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Second by Councilman Dingfelder.
10:21:59 All in favor signify by saying aye.
10:22:04 Finance committee, counsel woman Mulhern.
10:22:07 >>MARY MULHERN: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
10:22:08 I move items 24 through 29.
10:22:10 >> Second.
10:22:11 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Moved and second.
10:22:12 Second by Councilman Miranda.
10:22:14 All in favor signify by saying aye.
10:22:16 Building and zoning, Councilman Caetano.
10:22:21 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: I want to move items 30 to 38.
10:22:24 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Second by Councilwoman Saul-Sena.
10:22:26 All in favor signify by saying aye.
10:22:29 Transportation, Councilman Dingfelder.
10:22:32 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
10:22:33 I will move items 39 and 40 and move 41 until the mayor
10:22:40 39 and 40.
10:22:42 >> Second.
10:22:43 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Moved and second.
10:22:44 All in favor signify by saying aye.
10:22:48 >> Items 42, 43.
10:22:51 >> Second.
10:22:51 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Moved and second.
10:22:52 Second by Councilman Miranda.
10:22:54 All in favor signify by saying aye.
10:22:58 We have our second readings.
10:23:04 >> 14 and 46 are not quasi-judicial.
10:23:07 >> Motion to open.
10:23:08 >> So moved.
10:23:09 >> All in favor signify by saying aye.
10:23:11 Item 44.
10:23:12 Anyone wish to address Council on item 44?
10:23:15 Item 44, anyone.
10:23:20 >> Move and second.
10:23:20 All in favor signify by saying aye.
10:23:26 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I move an ordinance presented for
10:23:27 second reading adoption, an ordinance amending
10:23:29 chapter -- Tampa City Code Section 19-131, 19-133,
10:23:33 19-135 and 19-136 of the Foreclosure Registry
10:23:33 Ordinance; repealing all ordinances or parts of
10:23:33 ordinances in conflict therewith; providing for
10:23:33 severability and interpretation; providing an effective
10:23:46 I assume this is the one that you brought up to the
10:23:48 Council sometime back, and I commend you and
10:23:51 Councilmembers for working on this very diligently.
10:23:54 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you, sir.
10:23:55 That was second by Councilman Dingfelder.
10:23:57 All in favor -- record your vote.
10:24:11 >> Motion carried unanimously.
10:24:14 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Item 45.
10:24:15 Anyone wish to address Council on item 45?
10:24:17 Item 45?
10:24:19 You may come forward.
10:24:21 State your name.
10:24:21 Address for the record.
10:24:25 >> Good morning.
10:24:27 Dan Woodward.
10:24:28 3111 west Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. Boulevard.
10:24:33 I'm here on behalf of the Westshore alliance government
10:24:36 affairs committee, to ask to you reconsider item 45.
10:24:40 Sweeping of the Tampa utility tax fund into the Tampa
10:24:45 general fund.
10:24:45 First, these dollars are collected from citizens and
10:24:50 And it's promised on the back of every utility bill
10:24:53 that these go for public improvements, capital
10:24:56 Number two, this limits transparency of the city's
10:25:01 budget process.
10:25:02 Because this is done through an ordinance here, and
10:25:07 because the city's budget is approved in an ordinance
10:25:09 basis, my understanding is that if this is moved and
10:25:13 allowed to be used for any lawful purpose by the city,
10:25:17 that it's a little more difficult for the public to
10:25:19 understand where those capital improvement dollars are
10:25:23 going when it comes time for the budget.
10:25:25 Number three, I think you've heard today and we hear
10:25:28 often in this body, that there's a critical need in the
10:25:31 City of Tampa for public infrastructure.
10:25:33 I think this is bad public policy.
10:25:36 And I request that you reconsider this ordinance.
10:25:40 Thank you.
10:25:41 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Next speaker?
10:25:42 Thank you, sir.
10:25:44 >> Market fizzy, 213 south Cheryl.
10:25:48 I'd like to reiterate what I said earlier.
10:25:50 I brought it up because I wanted to talk about the
10:25:52 bicycle issue as well.
10:25:53 But, Dan has no had a chance to even know about this.
10:25:59 I just found out about it myself.
10:26:01 And as was just said, we need capital projects so badly
10:26:07 within this city, to move these funds into the general
10:26:11 fund, where we don't know very easily how they will be
10:26:16 Or subsidized, what other general funds would have been
10:26:22 used for is a concern.
10:26:23 So I would ask you also, though I'm not speaking for
10:26:28 Dan, want to make this very clear.
10:26:29 We haven't been able to review this yet.
10:26:31 But to please pull it so we can get more information
10:26:34 and to see how we could watch to be sure that in the
10:26:38 general fund, it would be used for capital projects.
10:26:41 Thank you.
10:26:41 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you.
10:26:41 Next speaker?
10:26:46 >> Good morning again, Spencer Kass, 101 north Howard
10:26:52 I'm here to request it be pulled.
10:26:53 The understanding we had it would be swept into general
10:26:56 fund just for accounting purposes so it wouldn't like
10:26:59 the money was being counted twice.
10:27:01 I'd be asked it changed to say it can only be used to
10:27:05 repay bonds or capital improvements.
10:27:07 We all know there is not a single neighborhood
10:27:09 association in this city that does not have capital
10:27:11 projects they need done.
10:27:13 I need my park fixed, roads are falling apart.
10:27:16 Sidewalks are missing.
10:27:17 I don't think any Councilmember wants to be the Council
10:27:20 members who shows up and says why can't we get new
10:27:24 sidewalks put in.
10:27:25 You say well, because we took away all the capital
10:27:28 improvement money and decided to sweep is it into the
10:27:30 general fund.
10:27:31 I'd ask you pull this item and have legal rewrite the
10:27:34 language to say that the money can go into the general
10:27:36 fund, but it can only be used for solely purpose of
10:27:39 repaying bonds or for capital improvements.
10:27:41 Thank you.
10:27:42 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Anyone else from the public?
10:27:45 Anyone else from the public?
10:27:47 Let me have Miss Wise come and then Councilwoman
10:27:51 Mulhern, Councilman Dingfelder and then Councilwoman
10:27:55 >> Bonnie Wise, director of revenue and finance.
10:27:58 I wanted to make sure the Council understands the
10:28:00 current process.
10:28:01 Currently we transfer more than half of the utility tax
10:28:04 fund into the general fund now.
10:28:06 And we do it through the budget process.
10:28:09 And it is a large $37 million or so transfer.
10:28:12 I think that that process is less transparent than the
10:28:17 one that we're proposing.
10:28:19 I don't like how we have had this current situation.
10:28:22 I think now, it is really unnecessarily complicated.
10:28:26 And it really came through, part of my discussions that
10:28:29 I had with the unions when we were going over certain
10:28:32 fund balances and the accounts that we have, so I
10:28:35 wanted people to know that currently, we do move money
10:28:38 into the general fund for various purposes.
10:28:41 Capital and noncapital matters, through this transfer
10:28:46 And it really inflates the budget.
10:28:48 And I know that when you all look at the budget and you
10:28:51 see when I show you a pie chart, that's right always a
10:28:54 thick transfer piece of the pie.
10:28:56 I think that that's even more complicated.
10:28:58 I want to assure you too that it will still be
10:29:02 accounted for as a separate revenue item.
10:29:04 You will still see it in the budget.
10:29:06 You will still approve it through the budget process,
10:29:08 which is through ordinance.
10:29:10 And the monies that expenditures will be used through
10:29:13 general, first general city purposes.
10:29:16 So going forward, there won't be more or less capital
10:29:20 items that are used with this monies, because of this
10:29:22 accounting change.
10:29:23 It will be presented before you, and it will be, I
10:29:27 feel, much more transparent.
10:29:29 I am not aware -- my staffer is not aware, who have
10:29:33 worked in other governments, of any other Florida
10:29:35 government who has this setup like we have here.
10:29:39 I think this will provide us additional flexibility.
10:29:42 It will be very clear, much more transparent.
10:29:46 And much more consistent with the way other governments
10:29:48 are doing this, who have this very same revenue source.
10:29:52 We have been doing it this way for a long time.
10:29:54 I think it's now a time for us to uncomplicate the
10:29:58 process and be much more clear in the process.
10:30:01 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Councilwoman Mulhern, Dingfelder and
10:30:07 >>MARY MULHERN: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
10:30:08 I know that when I asked you about this, I heard your
10:30:11 explanation, but it seems like there are people in the
10:30:17 public that aren't sure about this.
10:30:19 So, I have a couple questions.
10:30:23 When you just said now you transfer -- what percent?
10:30:28 >> More than half.
10:30:29 >>MARY MULHERN: More than half.
10:30:30 But how much of that, once it's transferred into the
10:30:33 general fund, is not going for capital expenses?
10:30:38 Do we know?
10:30:39 >> Most.
10:30:40 >>MARY MULHERN: Most is not going for capital?
10:30:42 >> Yes.
10:30:43 >>MARY MULHERN: Okay.
10:30:43 So, you're saying that there's no other municipality
10:30:49 that sets this up that way.
10:30:51 But are there other municipalities that have other ways
10:30:54 of requiring that their utility revenue only goes to
10:31:01 >> If we can just make it really clear, because the
10:31:04 term utility tax is really a complicated term.
10:31:06 I just want the public to understand.
10:31:08 These aren't monies from water and sewer utilities.
10:31:11 That's a different revenue source.
10:31:14 Our water rates and sewer rates.
10:31:16 This is utility tax.
10:31:17 It is part of the utility bill, you the -- bill, but it
10:31:21 is a separate utility tax.
10:31:23 Non-ad valorem revenue source.
10:31:25 I don't want to complicate those.
10:31:26 I can't tell you I know what every single government is
10:31:29 doing and how they prepare their capital.
10:31:31 But I know that every Florida government too is facing
10:31:34 the same struggles we are, as general fund refuse
10:31:37 influence are -- revenues are declining and needs.
10:31:41 Like the needs in park and rec are increasing.
10:31:44 There are ways, every government is facing this.
10:31:46 So how exactly are they handling their capital?
10:31:49 I know what the City of Tampa capital is important and
10:31:52 we need to maintain our capital.
10:31:53 But I will also tell you, because of the general fund
10:31:56 requirement, and our programming, we are looking at
10:31:59 every capital project and seeing if every capital
10:32:01 project is necessary and if every capital project may
10:32:05 be some can be postponed.
10:32:07 So it is part of our budget process and I know you all
10:32:10 have asked me about it, are there certain capital
10:32:12 projects that be delayed so we can preserve some
10:32:15 It is part of every government's process.
10:32:20 >>MARY MULHERN: My feeling about this is that, since we
10:32:23 have some concerns, and since we're -- I can understand
10:32:29 you wanting to do this before the next fiscal year.
10:32:31 But at this point, I think that at the very least, the
10:32:36 budget advisory committee needs to look at this.
10:32:38 And Pam and other people, so I don't know.
10:32:42 I mean, this is second reading.
10:32:45 I have to apologize because I wasn't here for the first
10:32:47 reading to the finance, you know the FAN people.
10:32:51 And citizens.
10:32:51 Because I probably would have asked to continue or
10:32:58 So that we could get more information.
10:33:01 So, I think we need more time to look at this.
10:33:05 >> You know --
10:33:07 >>MARY MULHERN: When you explained it to me, I thought
10:33:09 it sounded great.
10:33:10 Now I'm hearing the other side and also thinking about
10:33:12 how it's going to affect the way that we look at the
10:33:14 budget in the future.
10:33:16 So, I don't know.
10:33:18 I'm wondering if we can continue this, as opposed to,
10:33:22 you know, an up or down vote?
10:33:25 >> Mr. Chairman, that was one thing I did mention at
10:33:27 the first public hearing that I failed to mention today
10:33:29 Is that the debt -- there is debt service that we have
10:33:32 pledged with this revenue source.
10:33:34 And I wanted to just reiterate that we had spoken to
10:33:36 our bond counsel to ensure that bond counsel was
10:33:39 completely comfortable with what we were doing, was not
10:33:42 in any way inhibiting our bond.
10:33:44 Because the first thing we do pay with this revenue
10:33:47 source is debt service.
10:33:48 And that will continue to be so.
10:33:50 I just wanted to make sure everyone was comfortable
10:33:52 with that.
10:33:53 >>MARY MULHERN: I'd like to see us continue this for, I
10:33:56 don't know, 60 days?
10:33:59 30 days?
10:34:01 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Let me hear from the other Council
10:34:04 Councilman Dingfelder and Councilwoman Saul-Sena.
10:34:09 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I think you and I are on the same
10:34:13 Based on the comments, I think if we are making any
10:34:17 kind of assertions to the public that this will be used
10:34:21 for capital on the back of these bills, these
10:34:24 various -- Mr. Fletcher?
10:34:28 >> I didn't mean to interrupt you.
10:34:30 At some point I just want to address this concept that,
10:34:35 the belief these are used for capital projects and
10:34:37 restricted to capital projects.
10:34:40 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: First I'm hearing it.
10:34:42 I don't want to belabor it.
10:34:44 We have a long morning.
10:34:45 What I would suggest, you know this wasn't a
10:34:47 controversial bill, ordinance at first reading.
10:34:50 But it's now become controversial.
10:34:52 So I think that we should slow it down a little bit.
10:34:54 What I would suggest, Mr. Chairman, why don't we
10:34:57 workshop it in July?
10:34:58 And reschedule second reading for August.
10:35:01 >> Second.
10:35:02 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: And then that way, at our workshop,
10:35:04 we can have a second to slow this down, talk about it.
10:35:07 Everybody can discuss it.
10:35:08 And then.
10:35:12 >> Let me take it slower.
10:35:13 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Let me just see, what is the
10:35:15 implications of that, because what I'm hearing people
10:35:19 say is, they're not sure whether it's going to be
10:35:21 continued to be used for the same purpose.
10:35:23 If there could be a public information meeting to
10:35:26 assure the residents and people it's going to be used
10:35:29 for same purpose.
10:35:29 I think that's the issue.
10:35:30 I want to caution us -- lets me just say this about me.
10:35:34 When I hear people say well we never did it that way
10:35:37 before, always been done that way, that cause me pause,
10:35:40 number one.
10:35:41 Just because always been done that way for 40 years
10:35:44 does not mean that you can't change things and make it
10:35:46 We're in a situation now where we want to make sure
10:35:50 one, that whatever we do, it is transparent, as a body,
10:35:55 as a Council.
10:35:56 Be transparent.
10:35:58 Two, that it is going to be better handled and managed.
10:36:03 If I'm hearing no other municipalities are doing this
10:36:06 now, that we're the only one, then it cause me to take
10:36:09 a look and see what are they doing, how effective will
10:36:13 it be for us?
10:36:13 I think the issue is, assuring the public that it is
10:36:17 going to be much more transparent.
10:36:19 That it is going to continue to do what it's been doing
10:36:23 in the past.
10:36:24 I think that is the issue.
10:36:25 So I just want to make sure that maybe the
10:36:29 administration, Miss Wise can have what we call public
10:36:32 information meeting to meet with those raising
10:36:35 questions to give them the certainty, the assurance
10:36:38 that it is not a plan here to somehow or another
10:36:43 subvert or, you know, do something else to the fund
10:36:47 that it was not intended for.
10:36:48 I think that is the underlying issue here.
10:36:50 Issue of openness.
10:36:52 Issue of transparency.
10:36:53 The issue that is the money going to be used for
10:36:56 intended purposes.
10:36:56 I think that's assurance we want to give.
10:36:58 And that's where I am on this issue.
10:37:02 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: If I could retake the floor for a
10:37:04 I think we are all on the same page in that regard.
10:37:06 There's a lot of questions.
10:37:08 Had you questions, Mary.
10:37:09 I did.
10:37:09 We all have questions.
10:37:10 That's why between now and July, the workshop I just
10:37:13 proposed, we have in July, during our regular workshop
10:37:17 meeting, that they can meet with the community and
10:37:20 explain it and wrestle with it and all.
10:37:23 Come to us in July and see where they are.
10:37:25 And we'll reschedule this second hearing for August,
10:37:28 if, just so it has a place to go.
10:37:30 And we'll see what happens.
10:37:31 I think it just procedurally, and I got a second on my
10:37:37 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Mr. Chairman, I have my thoughts are
10:37:40 with what you speak about.
10:37:41 If we're going to have a meeting, and we haven't told
10:37:45 these good people what the meeting is going to be
10:37:47 about, we're only wasting our time when we get to the
10:37:51 I think you ought to ask questions like, when was this
10:37:54 started? Is it legal to use this?
10:37:58 How long has it been in effect?
10:37:59 Was it this administration, prior administration?
10:38:01 How much money is going into that pool?
10:38:03 Where's that money being divided? Is it used for
10:38:06 Is it used for improvements for the general public's
10:38:10 These are the types of questions that should be posed.
10:38:13 And I think January -- I mean July is way too long.
10:38:17 I agree with Miss Mulhern, that these things, I
10:38:20 believe, unless I'm out of order, in thinking that they
10:38:24 have these figures pretty readily available to ask and
10:38:29 receive the information.
10:38:31 And I believe, like Miss Mulhern, that somewhere in the
10:38:34 near future, a month or so would certainly have enough
10:38:38 transparency and enough review of this for them to meet
10:38:41 with FAN, the Westshore and any other citizen that
10:38:45 would like to get involved.
10:38:46 But I think we have pose a question to the individual,
10:38:52 Miss Wise, who is bringing the subject matter to us.
10:38:54 What is it we want her to do?
10:38:56 And we haven't done that.
10:38:58 So I think somewhere along the lot -- line with
10:39:01 thoughts of other Councilmembers, we can have a
10:39:04 compromise of thoughts to assure what is become -- I
10:39:07 don't care what other cities do.
10:39:09 I really don't.
10:39:10 They may be all wrong, we may be right.
10:39:12 Or they may be all right and we're wrong.
10:39:15 So, it's an avenue that we got to travel, but unless we
10:39:19 pose a questions for them to discuss with the general
10:39:23 citizenry, I think we're not doing the right thing.
10:39:26 Thank you.
10:39:27 >> Mr. Chairman, if I may.
10:39:30 >>THOMAS SCOTT: And then come back to Councilwoman.
10:39:33 >>CHARLES FLETCHER: Chip Fletcher, city attorney.
10:39:34 Just so we are clear on where we are and what the
10:39:37 practice has been, these funds have not been dedicated
10:39:40 to capital projects for as long as we can collectively
10:39:44 Going back at least one, maybe more administrations.
10:39:47 That's one of the reasons we wanted to change this, is
10:39:50 because this gives really a misnomer that these funds
10:39:54 are and have been dedicated to capital projects.
10:39:57 They haven't been.
10:39:58 Through various acts of Council, budget process,
10:40:01 ordinances, every year, Council through these transfers
10:40:06 moves them over to operating in the general revenue.
10:40:09 That's the part that when that was determined, we
10:40:12 thought that was not transparent.
10:40:14 And so, really, what this proposal is, is to continue
10:40:17 the existing practice.
10:40:19 Which is to not dedicate these funds for capital
10:40:22 Or at least only a small portion for capital projects.
10:40:25 And make that clear and obvious and transparent.
10:40:29 So the idea that somehow this is changing how the funds
10:40:34 are being used is not accurate.
10:40:36 And this change does create a more consistent
10:40:38 transparent description of what the city's long-term
10:40:42 practice has been.
10:40:44 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Councilwoman Mulhern, then Saul-Sena.
10:40:48 >>MARY MULHERN: What I was going to suggest because I
10:40:50 think Mr. Dingfelder is right, rather than continuing
10:40:53 this, we need a workshop.
10:40:55 But I also agree with Mr. Miranda, that we need to do
10:40:58 it sooner.
10:40:59 So I think we should schedule it for a workshop next
10:41:04 possibly workshop, you know, in the next month or two.
10:41:09 But not waiting till July.
10:41:17 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I believe our may workshop is full.
10:41:21 >>MARY MULHERN: How about June?
10:41:22 How about if we put it on our workshop?
10:41:25 >>THOMAS SCOTT: What is the subject matter?
10:41:26 >>MARY MULHERN: Well, first of all --
10:41:28 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Month of may, what are the work shots
10:41:30 for may?
10:41:31 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: We can't do it in May.
10:41:33 Well, actually, may, we have --
10:41:36 >>MARY MULHERN: May, we have transportation
10:41:39 concurrency, Cuba.
10:41:44 Revenue and expenditure report.
10:41:48 The six month one.
10:41:50 And unless we want to move at least one of those.
10:41:59 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Mr. Chairman, the Robert Campman
10:42:02 wants to not come and speak to us.
10:42:04 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Pardon me?
10:42:06 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I know it sounds funny, but he
10:42:08 doesn't want to come speak to us because he says his
10:42:10 work isn't done.
10:42:11 So he isn't ready.
10:42:12 So I was going to bring up under new business
10:42:15 cancelling that.
10:42:16 But for --
10:42:17 >>MARY MULHERN: June only has two items.
10:42:19 June 17th.
10:42:20 >> Mr. Chairman, if I may.
10:42:22 This ordinance change is of value right now, only if we
10:42:26 get it done before the finance staff has to finish the
10:42:30 If there's not action on this before late may, early
10:42:34 June, then the finance staff doesn't have time to
10:42:36 prepare the budget reflecting this change.
10:42:38 So, if it's going to be done, it should be done on a
10:42:41 schedule for a second reading, either late may or early
10:42:46 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Then what I would suggest, what I would
10:42:49 suggest is we put it on the May workshop.
10:42:52 >> Instead of Robert Campman?
10:42:57 >>THOMAS SCOTT: The last two, we can move them to June
10:42:59 and then take -- do we, do we have to have the revenue
10:43:03 and expenditure overview that workshop?
10:43:06 Can we move it to June?
10:43:07 >> It was supposed to be the six month report.
10:43:12 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I believe this is going to be a very
10:43:14 long discussion when we have it in our workshop.
10:43:16 I think 30 minutes would suffice.
10:43:19 >>THOMAS SCOTT: 11 on May.
10:43:20 What I would suggest.
10:43:23 What I would suggest to Miss Wise, that you meet with
10:43:26 all interested parties, the Westshore alliance, FAN and
10:43:29 whoever else, because -- few weeks ago you had
10:43:33 unanimous support.
10:43:35 And so today, there's questions been raised.
10:43:38 So we want to make sure you address those questions to
10:43:40 concerned citizens who have appeared before this board.
10:43:43 My suggestion is that you meet with those concerned
10:43:45 citizens and address all the concerned, the issues that
10:43:48 you perhaps can move forward.
10:43:49 But the workshop is fine for the 11:00 in May.
10:43:55 So there's a motion on the floor now.
10:43:59 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I'll accept that alleges a friendly
10:44:02 >>MARY MULHERN: I just wanted to add another request,
10:44:04 which Mr. Fletcher added, as another reason not to pass
10:44:09 this right now.
10:44:10 Because when you were talking about you said, you know,
10:44:14 this will allow -- you know, this will allow us to not
10:44:19 have to -- you know.
10:44:21 Not say we're committing all this to capital projects.
10:44:24 Or only a portion.
10:44:26 What did you say?
10:44:29 >>CHARLES FLETCHER: Let me be clear.
10:44:30 As far as our collective memory goes back, which is at
10:44:33 least to the prior administration, the practice has
10:44:36 been that the funds go into this trust fund, and then
10:44:39 through the budget ordinance process, they get taken
10:44:42 out of this trust fund and used for things other than
10:44:44 capital projects.
10:44:46 >>MARY MULHERN: You said or at least a portion.
10:44:47 Something like that.
10:44:48 This is my point.
10:44:49 I agree with.
10:44:50 I'm not arguing with you.
10:44:52 What I'm saying, please look at whether, if we're going
10:44:55 to do this, maybe there could be a part of it that is
10:44:59 A percentage that is reserved.
10:45:01 That is similar to what we're doing now.
10:45:04 Because I think that, that mate -- that is worth
10:45:07 looking at because that sounds like it is what the
10:45:09 concern of the citizens is.
10:45:10 That they want to feel that this utility tax is being
10:45:15 used for capital projects.
10:45:18 >> What has been the practice been?
10:45:22 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Look back in the last five years and
10:45:23 say what has the practice been?
10:45:29 >> My question, Miss Wise, during our first reading,
10:45:31 was all this explained to us when you brought it to the
10:45:34 first reading?
10:45:35 >> I think I was clear in first reading and nobody -- I
10:45:37 will say that nobody contacted me.
10:45:42 >>GWEN MILLER: What happened after first reading?
10:45:47 They were here at the first reading.
10:45:51 >> First reading on a legislative matter is not a
10:45:53 public hearing.
10:45:53 The appropriate time for people to raise the issue is
10:45:57 wait for Florida statute structures it, adoption of
10:45:59 public hearing, City of Tampa has that at the second
10:46:03 So this would be the appropriate time for people to
10:46:04 raise the issue.
10:46:05 They may not have had the opportunity or knowledge,
10:46:08 which is purpose of two readings.
10:46:10 >> I will be happy to meet with interested parties.
10:46:13 I was not aware until yesterday that there were
10:46:15 So I will be happy to meet with them.
10:46:18 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I'll amend my motion, I said August,
10:46:20 but that doesn't make any sense.
10:46:21 Why don't I just take the second reading, strike it for
10:46:25 Or should I continue it.
10:46:29 >> The first meeting in June.
10:46:32 >>THOMAS SCOTT: What I would suggest, I don't know if
10:46:34 we can do this or not.
10:46:35 What I would suggest, once we have the May workshop,
10:46:38 with all the questions being asked.
10:46:41 >> That's a workshop session.
10:46:43 Logistically, you it may serve to have it decided early
10:46:50 in May.
10:46:50 It would mean for the clerk to set a special meeting of
10:46:53 Council for the purposes of having the continued second
10:46:58 >> The issue --
10:47:01 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Mr. Chairman, can I have the floor?
10:47:04 >> I'm sorry, sir.
10:47:08 [ Laughter ]
10:47:09 >>THOMAS SCOTT: The issue today is addressing the
10:47:11 concern of those who have appeared before Council.
10:47:14 That's the issue.
10:47:14 Few weeks ago, this Council did not have any questions.
10:47:18 So the issue today is addressing those who appear
10:47:20 before Council, giving them the assurance that the
10:47:25 matter is going to be transparent and open.
10:47:27 It is open government.
10:47:28 And that moving forward, we continue to use those funds
10:47:33 for whatever the history, as Mr. Dingfelder said, past
10:47:37 five, eight, 10 years, so we just want to give that
10:47:40 assurance to those that are here.
10:47:41 So Miss Wise, that is the intent from my standpoint
10:47:45 anyway, to give the comfort level to those that have
10:47:49 appeared before us raising questions and concerns.
10:47:51 So my suggestion, you meet with those persons, if
10:47:55 possible, we can have the reading at the workshop day,
10:47:58 if possible.
10:47:59 I don't know if we can do that.
10:48:00 I'm not an attorney.
10:48:01 That is why we pay these attorneys.
10:48:04 >> Mr. Chairman, if I may.
10:48:06 Procedural, one option would be to continue this second
10:48:08 reading hearing to that workshop date.
10:48:10 Then would you have the flexibility if you so choose to
10:48:12 vote at that meeting alternatively, if you didn't want
10:48:15 to continue this second reading hearing to that date,
10:48:18 you could continue this second reading hearing to
10:48:20 June 3rd, which would be your next regular meeting.
10:48:23 And have the workshop only on the workshop date.
10:48:29 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Our workshops are supposed to would
10:48:30 be workshops, not public hearing.
10:48:33 Workshop in May, the first date in June, June 3rd --
10:48:38 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Second reading will be first of June.
10:48:40 >> If it changes, it changes.
10:48:45 >> That includes striking the 11:00 presently with
10:48:48 Robert canton to making the presentation?
10:48:50 >>THOMAS SCOTT: That is correct.
10:48:51 >> Thank you.
10:48:52 >>THOMAS SCOTT: So we are all clear.
10:48:54 Moved and second.
10:48:55 All in favor of the motion signify by saying No.
10:48:59 >> And that's at 9:30.
10:49:01 June the 3rd.
10:49:06 >>THOMAS SCOTT: The second reading will be 9:30 on
10:49:08 June 3rd, but workshop will be 11:00.
10:49:12 In the meantime, Miss Wise will meet with all
10:49:16 interested parties, citizens, continue went,
10:49:19 neighborhoods, civic associations, public.
10:49:23 >> Anyone who is interested.
10:49:28 >> Thank you.
10:49:28 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you Miss Wise.
10:49:30 Let me just say that we need to go to the staff reports
10:49:33 at this time.
10:49:34 We have that time certain.
10:49:38 I have given the administration, the opportunity --
10:49:42 >> We have public hearings.
10:49:43 >> I understand that.
10:49:45 We'll come back to the public hearings.
10:49:46 Let me take up the staff reports and come back to the
10:49:57 public hearing.
10:49:57 Miss Palus is going to take up her items all at one
10:50:08 >> Good morning, Karen Palus, parks and recreation
10:50:13 First item I have is item 61.
10:50:18 In regards to a request on the remaining balance
10:50:21 available for Davis Islands park improvement fund.
10:50:24 I provided a report.
10:50:25 If there's any questions, I'm here for you.
10:50:32 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Any questions on item 61 from Council?
10:50:34 This is on the Davis Island park improvement fund.
10:50:39 >> Thank you, Miss Palus.
10:50:42 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: So we have a half a million dollars,
10:50:45 which we all know isn't enough to make the improvements
10:50:48 that, you know, the island residents aspire to.
10:50:53 Do you have any sense of what the total cost to do the
10:50:57 improvements to the pool would be?
10:51:00 >> Based on the feasibility study that just came in,
10:51:03 they've estimated around $3.5 million to $3.9 million.
10:51:07 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Okay.
10:51:08 So, is the -- is the future plan to wait until we have
10:51:17 additional dollars to make the improvements and just
10:51:19 keep this money in some interest bearing account?
10:51:24 >> Like I was sharing with you, what happens and goes
10:51:26 through the process, as I said it in my memo, when we
10:51:29 started this process with the million dollars going
10:51:32 into -- it is in a separate account.
10:51:34 An interest bearing account.
10:51:35 So you can see there's been significant interest over
10:51:38 the time the dollars have been in there.
10:51:40 The committee was put together, they were required to
10:51:41 come to consensus on items, which they did, the trail,
10:51:45 the pool feasibility study and at that time, any funds
10:51:49 were left over, a kiosk in one of their apex parks.
10:51:52 So those are the three items.
10:51:53 If and when -- at that time we didn't anticipate to
10:51:56 have any major overages or dollars for getting into the
10:52:00 The better climate now, so that's the good news, taking
10:52:03 a little more time to get here.
10:52:05 So they will have some dollars left over.
10:52:07 At that time, we'll go back to the community and
10:52:09 determine how they want to proceed with that.
10:52:11 In the meantime, separate from this funding source, we
10:52:15 have identified the opportunity to look through the
10:52:18 feasibility study.
10:52:20 One. Recommendations is to go forward with the
10:52:22 structural analysis of the facility, to really so-based
10:52:26 on the study, you don't know until yes really get in
10:52:29 I think I've shared that with Council before.
10:52:32 It's a very old structure and needs some major TLC they
10:52:35 can determine for us.
10:52:36 What we anticipate doing is moving forward with the
10:52:38 structural analysis.
10:52:39 And then moving forward into construction documents.
10:52:41 So if, at a point in time in the future, and when,
10:52:45 dollars become available and we have been working with
10:52:47 the community on private dollars as well as public
10:52:50 To be able to move forward with that project at that
10:52:52 But they would have construction documents, structural
10:52:55 analysis and everything be ready for those dollars when
10:52:58 they become available.
10:52:59 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Thank you very, very much.
10:53:01 >> I have to thank the community.
10:53:02 They have been doing a great job out there.
10:53:04 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: They really want to bring this pool
10:53:07 And this sounds like a very thoughtful process.
10:53:10 And then we'll know what the real costs are.
10:53:13 >> Most definitely.
10:53:14 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Thank you.
10:53:14 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Any other questions?
10:53:18 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Thank you.
10:53:18 Two things.
10:53:19 One, I want us to make sure -- looks like it's been a
10:53:24 while since we actually had a meeting with the group.
10:53:27 As far as the money is concerned.
10:53:31 So I just want to make sure we kind of reconvene that
10:53:35 >> There's actually two meetings that are coming up.
10:53:37 One is an internal meeting with the few folks on the
10:53:40 committee before.
10:53:41 And some of the other individuals that have shown
10:53:44 Then we're doing a bigger community meeting to go over
10:53:46 the feasibility study.
10:53:47 So we have kept up with them.
10:53:48 We have been involved in their stewardship meetings,
10:53:51 been involved in their civic association meetings.
10:53:53 Laurie Brown has been our representative with them in
10:53:57 those regards and been kind of liaison with our
10:54:00 department each of those meetings.
10:54:01 And we have been very communicative with their previous
10:54:04 presidents as well as new president and Charna and
10:54:07 Jennifer, who have been the lead on the project.
10:54:09 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: If you could inform us of those
10:54:11 >> Be happy to.
10:54:12 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: The other group I'm not hearing us
10:54:14 talk about, Bayshore little league.
10:54:16 Because Bayshore little league has been after the city
10:54:20 to work with them on building a new building.
10:54:24 That old building's probably 40, 50 years old and
10:54:27 pretty nasty.
10:54:30 And I'm thinking that, if we can't use this money for
10:54:34 the pool any time soon, or really it's just a drop in
10:54:39 the bucket as compared to the $3 million you're talking
10:54:42 about, then maybe we can use it -- no pun intended --
10:54:45 maybe we can use it, or at least include Bayshore
10:54:50 little league in the discussion about possibly using
10:54:54 some of this money.
10:54:56 Because they have talked about raising money too.
10:54:58 We know they have the ability to raise hundreds of
10:55:00 authorizes of dollars at Bayshore little league, to
10:55:03 kind of match our money.
10:55:04 So, anyway, let's make this conversation maybe holistic
10:55:08 over there.
10:55:09 >> I will share with you when we went through the
10:55:11 community process before for the three projects that
10:55:13 were identified, all of the stakeholders were involved,
10:55:15 all the community was involved.
10:55:16 We heard from folks that wanted the skate parks to
10:55:20 splash pads to pools to trails, to traffic calming.
10:55:22 We heard just about the gambit out there.
10:55:25 Little league facilities.
10:55:26 They were all involved in those discussions.
10:55:28 And continue to be.
10:55:29 So again, as I mentioned, that community meeting coming
10:55:32 up as a whole, they would all be vine violated.
10:55:35 They have been invited to the table with the
10:55:37 contractors that was responsible for the feasible study
10:55:39 to talk about their needs are, their issues, concerns
10:55:42 as well.
10:55:42 That was all captured in that entire document that
10:55:45 we'll present.
10:55:47 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Thank you.
10:55:48 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Any other questions of Council, motion
10:55:49 to receive and file.
10:55:50 >> So moved.
10:55:51 >> All in favor signify by aye.
10:55:57 >> Item number 63.
10:55:59 Is in reference to the request to rename the lake in
10:56:05 Gadsden park after in honor of actually colonel James
10:56:09 merchant the third, I wanted to let you all know that
10:56:13 is proceeding.
10:56:13 We had already been working with the group and going
10:56:15 through that process.
10:56:16 Just to share with you an update on that.
10:56:18 We are going through our asset naming process, which
10:56:21 community indicates with the community to let them know
10:56:23 of this request.
10:56:24 So far, all of the comments we received have been very
10:56:26 much in support of this honor.
10:56:28 So we'll be continuing to work with the folks and this
10:56:32 will be coming to Council very soon.
10:56:34 >> Motion to receive and file.
10:56:36 >> Second.
10:56:36 >>THOMAS SCOTT: All in he favor aye.
10:56:39 Next one?
10:56:41 >> Number 64 is my next item.
10:56:43 I know Councilmember Mulhern had requested item number
10:56:49 11 be pulled.
10:56:50 Do you want to address that separately now?
10:56:52 Because it is a separate entity from our traditional
10:56:55 summer program.
10:56:57 >>MARY MULHERN: If I --
10:56:59 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Let's deal with 64.
10:57:00 Then come to that pulled item.
10:57:03 >>MARY MULHERN: She could get that out of the way.
10:57:04 >> This is real simple.
10:57:06 >>MARY MULHERN: Number 11, can you explain to us how
10:57:09 this is different than your other summer program?
10:57:14 >> The item number 11 is in regards to our sports camp
10:57:21 Our camps and energy camps.
10:57:24 All specialty camps and they are all pay to play.
10:57:27 So, everything that comes in revenue-wise, goes out to
10:57:31 cover those costs.
10:57:32 We do have some years where we have a little bit more.
10:57:35 But this has been going on for many, many years.
10:57:37 But it is very successful with revenues.
10:57:40 All those programs currently are full.
10:57:41 In fact, we've added one additional, the Mangrove
10:57:45 Marcus and we're getting ready to add another based on
10:57:48 the request from the communities.
10:57:50 These are camps that are completely paid for, their
10:57:52 operations, their staffing, their supplies, their
10:57:53 materials for those programs.
10:57:55 >>MARY MULHERN: These are the only one that is do that?
10:57:57 >> They are separate from those traditional program,
10:58:02 >>MARY MULHERN: Okay.
10:58:02 That answers my question.
10:58:04 So I can move that.
10:58:06 >> Second.
10:58:08 >>THOMAS SCOTT: That's on item 11.
10:58:09 Item 11, moved and second.
10:58:11 Second by Councilman Miranda.
10:58:12 All in favor signify by aye.
10:58:17 >> Okay.
10:58:18 On to item number 64.
10:58:19 I want to first thank Council for the opportunity to
10:58:21 come and share with you where we're at with our
10:58:24 afterschool and summer program.
10:58:25 I like to focus on summer programs first, so you kind
10:58:28 much hear where that's at.
10:58:29 I think some of the things that are happening and I'm
10:58:31 hearing in the community is that they're getting a
10:58:34 little mixed in between what summer, what's
10:58:37 So I'd like to address summer first, if that's
10:58:39 comfortable for everyone.
10:58:41 And then on to the after school to kind of share where
10:58:44 we are with that.
10:58:45 One of the requests had been made to look at
10:58:48 potentially reducing fees, and maybe particular areas
10:58:51 of our communities or not.
10:58:53 So we reevaluated that.
10:58:55 We looked at our entire community where the reduced
10:58:58 fees folks were coming from.
10:58:59 And really what we found is, obviously the
10:59:05 circumstances of the community as a whole, where our
10:59:07 nation is, and the challenges that we're facing.
10:59:09 But every portion of our community is having challenges
10:59:12 with financially.
10:59:14 And so, in lieu of looking at one site, we said we
10:59:16 wanted to keep things across the board.
10:59:18 So all of our facilities, anybody who needs assistance,
10:59:21 we're able to work with them.
10:59:23 So didn't matter write zip code or where you lived as
10:59:26 far as CDBG areas.
10:59:28 If you needed assistance, we'll send to you work and
10:59:31 not say this facility is only for lower incomes and
10:59:34 this is the one we'll accept and allow reduced the fees
10:59:37 or free fees here.
10:59:38 This facility will not.
10:59:40 So what we decided to do, is to put together a
10:59:44 financial assistance program.
10:59:46 So what that will mean, it's not going to change
10:59:48 anything we're currently doing now because I think that
10:59:51 will cause additional confusion with folks.
10:59:53 We are already hearing some of that out there.
10:59:55 So we want to stay with the program the way we have
10:59:58 It will go through the normal process registration, go
11:00:01 through our normal fee reduced process.
11:00:03 Go through our scholarship program.
11:00:05 Whatever funds we need additionally to meet the
11:00:08 demands -- I know there was questions about the number
11:00:10 of scholarships we have or don't have available.
11:00:12 Whatever we need to meet the demands, we are going to
11:00:14 work with those families.
11:00:15 And set aside some dollars in which to be able to do
11:00:18 So if there are folks in need, I already the one lady
11:00:21 that was out here that came through, gave her my
11:00:24 Told her to call me.
11:00:26 We'll take care of her.
11:00:28 But the program will stay the same, so everything we
11:00:29 are doing right now, all registration, all the
11:00:32 paperwork that's out.
11:00:33 Everything for summer, will be the same.
11:00:34 They'll fill out the paperwork.
11:00:36 We have already accepted 93 scholarships have come in.
11:00:39 We think that's going very well.
11:00:41 Getting more information out to folks.
11:00:43 We have been canvassing neighborhoods.
11:00:45 We have been to every activity and event in town.
11:00:49 We have been to two most recently, just the last
11:00:52 moment, nine total they have attended and participated
11:00:55 So the word getting out.
11:00:56 Folks are understanding there are opportunities and
11:00:58 resources available to them.
11:01:00 That's the really good news in that fact.
11:01:03 >>THOMAS SCOTT: All pretty much, I guess the issue is,
11:01:06 is that those coming forth, their child will not be
11:01:11 turned away?
11:01:12 >> Correct.
11:01:13 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Now, there was one lady here this
11:01:15 morning said something about her child had been denied
11:01:17 access to the parks.
11:01:18 >> I gave her the information, told her to call me.
11:01:20 We'll get her scare squared away.
11:01:22 That is not accurate information.
11:01:24 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Councilwoman Mulhern?
11:01:31 >>MARY MULHERN: What are the -- when you say -- you're
11:01:35 not changing anything.
11:01:38 >> Not changing the pro he is.
11:01:40 >>MARY MULHERN: You're not changing the new process
11:01:41 that people have never gone through before is what
11:01:44 you're saying, right?
11:01:45 >> No.
11:01:48 Go ahead and finish.
11:01:49 >>MARY MULHERN: You're not changing the process at all
11:01:51 from what people did last year for summer programs?
11:01:54 >> No.
11:01:54 Actually we have got the same program.
11:01:56 However, what we did is we structured the sliding fee
11:02:00 schedule differently.
11:02:01 That's the only change in that regard.
11:02:03 And it's based on the poverty guidelines, following the
11:02:08 same things the other social services follow.
11:02:13 >>MARY MULHERN: You changed that.
11:02:14 >> That process changed.
11:02:15 But that's it.
11:02:16 >>MARY MULHERN: But that's a change.
11:02:18 So that will possibly affect.
11:02:20 >> The sliding scale -- actually let me share this with
11:02:24 Way did, I went back through, to give you guys a real
11:02:26 concrete number.
11:02:27 You knew what we we're doing with.
11:02:30 If you take apples to apples summer program last year,
11:02:33 traditional and this year.
11:02:35 You go through our reduced fees we did last year.
11:02:38 And you do the scholarship portion.
11:02:41 If you do reduced fees this year and scholarship
11:02:44 program, last year the individual would have paid for
11:02:46 two children, $7.
11:02:48 This year, under this program, it's $7.50.
11:02:52 25 cents additional per child.
11:02:54 If folks still need additional assistance from that
11:02:57 we'll work with them.
11:02:58 But it's only 50 cents for two children.
11:03:02 >>MARY MULHERN: You're talking about you have concrete
11:03:04 Where are the concrete numbers?
11:03:07 >> Summer program right now based on our --
11:03:10 >>MARY MULHERN: I mean, where is it on paper for us?
11:03:12 >> I can send you a copy of the report.
11:03:16 >>MARY MULHERN: We need to see that.
11:03:17 I mean, you stood up here and told us in last October
11:03:21 that no one would be turned away.
11:03:23 And we made you say it a bunch of times.
11:03:29 >> We are still doing that.
11:03:30 All they have to do is fill out the paperwork.
11:03:33 >>MARY MULHERN: But that is not what happened with the
11:03:34 after-school program.
11:03:35 So now you're asking us to accept that this time is
11:03:40 going to be different.
11:03:41 And I'm not going to accept that unless you give us the
11:03:44 numbers and show us number one, what's the
11:03:47 I mean is registration still going on for summer
11:03:50 >> Registration is still going on.
11:03:52 Currently as of yesterday at 3:41 p.m.
11:03:54 We had 959 individuals registered for our summer
11:03:59 >>MARY MULHERN: And how many did you have last year at
11:04:01 this time?
11:04:02 >> Last year at this time, we did not have anywhere
11:04:04 near that number.
11:04:05 In fact, this is the highest preregistration in City of
11:04:10 Tampa history.
11:04:11 When I shared this with Councilmember Saul-Sena, don't
11:04:14 get too excited.
11:04:15 But some sites were five or six kids.
11:04:19 Normally folks come the first day of camp and some of
11:04:22 our locations.
11:04:23 Those ones traditionally very popular and fill up
11:04:27 within the first hour or so, did just like they have
11:04:29 always done.
11:04:30 Other ones are coming in and they are coming in quick,
11:04:32 like Desoto, we normally never had a preregistration
11:04:36 folks there.
11:04:36 They have already done 15 to 20 kids.
11:04:39 >>MARY MULHERN: So you're ahead of yourself in
11:04:42 >> Yes.
11:04:42 >>MARY MULHERN: However, what was the total number that
11:04:47 registered after, all the programs started?
11:04:52 If you gave us the number at the end of the summer last
11:04:54 year, how many people registered?
11:04:58 Because you're saying now usually they come the day of
11:05:01 So we don't know what's going to happen.
11:05:04 >> Like I said, staff has really been working very,
11:05:07 very hard to make sure everybody gets the registration
11:05:10 They have been doing things during little league
11:05:12 events, been doing things for events in the community.
11:05:14 Gone through the civic association meeting.
11:05:16 A great example of, with the press had done an article
11:05:19 that we were closing Rey Park for good.
11:05:22 That was not correct.
11:05:23 We were just not going to offer a summer program there.
11:05:25 And due to that information, we had 56 parents do an
11:05:30 interest list.
11:05:30 And have registered for that program.
11:05:32 The most in its history.
11:05:35 >>MARY MULHERN: We're not there yet.
11:05:36 Because the process -- at least the perception has
11:05:40 That's why all these people are registering early,
11:05:43 because they want to make sure.
11:05:44 They're worried.
11:05:45 Let me finish.
11:05:46 That their programs aren't going to be available.
11:05:48 So, what happens with all the kids that show up on the
11:05:52 first day?
11:05:52 We don't know yet.
11:05:54 So my question for you, so that we know, at least at
11:05:59 that point, if we're getting the attendance that would,
11:06:06 you know, will meet up with last year, how many people
11:06:10 registered for camp and summer programs last year?
11:06:16 >> Last year?
11:06:17 About 2700.
11:06:18 >>MARY MULHERN: So we are not quite at a third of that,
11:06:21 but you maybe got a lot more, what, twice as many?
11:06:25 How many?
11:06:26 >> Well, remember too, you're talking registered versus
11:06:29 actual attendance.
11:06:30 Registered is a much different number because they
11:06:32 could pay $75 for the entire summer, whether they came
11:06:38 or not.
11:06:39 However, this year, which has been the real compliment
11:06:41 we have heard from parents, they are now able to
11:06:45 register weeks at a time.
11:06:46 So they will register the four weeks they need and may
11:06:48 not need the other because of vacation.
11:06:50 We have other folks registering for the whole block of
11:06:53 ten weeks.
11:06:55 >>MARY MULHERN: How much more is it for them?
11:06:57 If they could pay 75 for what he -- the entire summer?
11:07:03 >> That was the high end fee.
11:07:05 Everybody else, depending where you fell into the
11:07:07 reduced fees, would generate their different costs.
11:07:11 As I said last year, if you went through the reduced,
11:07:14 that rate, reduced fees down, you were paying $7 a
11:07:18 For two children.
11:07:20 For ten hours of care.
11:07:21 For the entire summer.
11:07:25 >>MARY MULHERN: But people could afford to do that.
11:07:27 And this year --
11:07:29 >> This year, it's 7.50 for two kids.
11:07:33 We're meeting later.
11:07:37 I can sit down and can kind of go through that.
11:07:41 I'd be happy to.
11:07:42 >>MARY MULHERN: Let me just say this.
11:07:44 I need to see these numbers on paper.
11:07:46 And I've got, you know, some stuff from you.
11:07:49 But it's ongoing.
11:07:50 So, we need to see them on paper.
11:07:53 And I'm not prepared -- I'm not sure this is solving
11:07:58 the problem.
11:08:00 And it's really, you know, we're not going to know
11:08:02 until the summer starts, at least.
11:08:04 But, I also want to hear how the -- what improvement
11:08:09 there has been in attendance in the after-school
11:08:12 programs, because that's really going to be the
11:08:15 predictor for us, if you'd figured out how to fix this.
11:08:20 I don't think we should be happy with this -- I don't
11:08:27 think we can be happy until -- well, we can't be happy
11:08:31 until we see what happens with the program.
11:08:33 But we might be able to -- I might be okay with it if I
11:08:38 see that you've brought the attendance back up at the
11:08:42 other, the after-school program, and then the other
11:08:47 question -- I guess I'll get to those other questions
11:08:51 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Councilwoman Saul-Sena?
11:08:55 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I want to compliment you Miss Palus
11:08:58 on really reaching out and making the commitment to
11:09:03 this community that any family that wants and needs for
11:09:07 their children to attend these programs, if they need
11:09:10 financial help that the city will meet them.
11:09:12 I think that's really significant.
11:09:13 And the amount of door-to-door outreach you have done,
11:09:16 I think is powerful.
11:09:17 And the numbers reflect that.
11:09:19 It's kind of like going -- in the past, people just
11:09:25 kind of came when they wanted.
11:09:28 Then people came when they wanted.
11:09:30 And this is a change.
11:09:31 There's registration to be filled out.
11:09:34 And you're going on a computer system, which is
11:09:36 different than things have been in the past.
11:09:38 But it sounds as if you're getting the numbers of
11:09:41 interested children and we're making the programs
11:09:45 available to them.
11:09:46 And that's all to the good.
11:09:47 I completely agree that we should be putting our money
11:09:51 into opportunities, recreational opportunities for
11:09:55 children, rather than law enforcement down the road.
11:09:59 They need positive places to go.
11:10:00 But that's -- that's what you want to do.
11:10:03 That's what we want to do.
11:10:04 And that's what we want to provide.
11:10:06 And I just -- I just hope that we can also provide
11:10:11 recreation that's not just sports.
11:10:15 That's also other kinds of activities, because kids
11:10:17 have all different kinds of talents and interests.
11:10:20 And we need to provide as much variety as we can for
11:10:23 the children in our community.
11:10:24 And also I know you're working collaboratively with
11:10:27 other, with schools, with boys and girls clubs, with
11:10:31 all the providers of programs for kids, to meet the
11:10:35 broad and diverse needs of the kids in our town.
11:10:38 >> Thank you.
11:10:38 Thank you for that compliment.
11:10:40 But that really goes out to my team.
11:10:42 They have been working extremely hard to make sure
11:10:44 everybody fully understands how the process works.
11:10:47 What we can do to assist them and be available for
11:10:50 I appreciate you bringing up our partnerships.
11:10:53 Perfect example, our sulfur springs community, we have
11:10:56 great partners.
11:10:57 Stakeholder group, addresses issues there.
11:11:00 Working with the Boys and Girls Club and YMCA to be
11:11:02 able to offer programs at fee, based on their grant in
11:11:05 that location.
11:11:06 So we're really lucky to have those folks trying to
11:11:10 stretch our dollars to make sure we serve as many
11:11:12 children as possible out there.
11:11:13 And we couldn't do it without Tampa recreation and
11:11:17 their support.
11:11:17 They have been tremendous in that effort.
11:11:20 I mentioned the last grant, they just received $30,000.
11:11:23 90% of that will go to the scholarship fund as well.
11:11:26 We're also embarking on a healthy lunch program, with
11:11:29 the ebows.
11:11:30 I think everybody saw that news, or press release that
11:11:34 went out on that.
11:11:35 50 cents for those lunches.
11:11:37 Parents can choose or choose not to do that.
11:11:39 But 50 cents.
11:11:41 Lunches over this summer will go to the scholarship
11:11:43 fund as well.
11:11:43 So we're really try to bring all the public and private
11:11:48 folks together to serve as many children as possible.
11:11:51 That's what we do and that's what important to us.
11:11:54 >>THOMAS SCOTT: We are going to have -- run out of time
11:11:56 here in a minute.
11:11:57 But this issue is a very important issue.
11:12:01 Ask Mr. Shelby to look at the ordinance and inserting
11:12:04 some language in there because we need certainty and
11:12:09 We thank you for what you're doing.
11:12:11 But I'm being told we're getting calls some of this is
11:12:14 not accurate.
11:12:15 You're requiring 30% up front down and all this stuff.
11:12:18 I'd just like to know what can we put in the ordinance
11:12:20 to assure that we get the information, number one.
11:12:24 Number two is, if there's something that says based on
11:12:28 need, we need to know what is that need?
11:12:31 Because everybody's needs may be different.
11:12:33 Can you help us from the standpoint of the ordinance?
11:12:37 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Basically Council, when you adopted
11:12:39 the resolution with the fees, the contained within the
11:12:43 fees on the programs is a sen extense that says
11:12:45 scholarships and or reduced face may be available for
11:12:49 youth programs based on needs.
11:12:51 I had a brief opportunity to talk with Mr. Rodriguez
11:12:55 from the city attorney's office about this.
11:12:58 But, you raise an issue as to under what authority and
11:13:01 under what guidelines and criteria are these
11:13:04 scholarships and needs based?
11:13:09 I'm happy to look into it further.
11:13:10 But, I don't believe the criteria necessarily has been
11:13:16 approved by City Council or presented to City Council
11:13:18 for approval.
11:13:19 And that might be something that you might want to
11:13:22 consider, to see how that -- what the process is.
11:13:25 >>THOMAS SCOTT: That's what I'm raising the process,
11:13:27 that maybe we need to take a look at it.
11:13:29 We actually have some in hand so we know what is
11:13:32 actually being done.
11:13:33 Because, Miss Palus, you know, I think you have done a
11:13:38 tremendous job.
11:13:39 But we are still getting calls, at least my office is.
11:13:43 That's a little difference of opinion out there.
11:13:45 >> Mr. Chairman, and I am as well.
11:13:47 When I talk with them, they are okay, so I just need to
11:13:50 do this.
11:13:51 I think a lot of times, what I'm hearing and what staff
11:13:54 is hearing, and having those discussions.
11:13:56 They have called, went through the folks missing to
11:13:58 find out whether they had moved.
11:14:00 Moved out of the area.
11:14:01 What other programs they are attending.
11:14:02 What are the other things they have chosen to do in
11:14:05 lieu of being here.
11:14:06 So we are capturing that information too.
11:14:08 Our East Tampa folks did a phenomenal jobs, my team has
11:14:13 reached out to parents, making sure they know what to
11:14:15 do next, how to do it.
11:14:17 Still, it's one of those things you hear, it's $25, or
11:14:22 Folks say that's too much.
11:14:24 Then they come in and they're like okay, that I can
11:14:27 work with.
11:14:28 Or I still need assistance.
11:14:31 Well, we have the scholarship.
11:14:32 Get this in to us and we'll work with you.
11:14:34 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Can we put this in the ordinance, they
11:14:36 can bring that information back to us to our office, so
11:14:39 when we get calls, we can tell them this is what they
11:14:42 should be being told.
11:14:43 So I guess I want to know at this point, Mr. Attorney,
11:14:47 how do we draft something, put something in the
11:14:49 ordinance that would allow administration to give us in
11:14:53 their proposed, in writing so we know what is actually
11:14:56 being done.
11:14:57 We co convey that to citizens who call us.
11:15:00 >>MARTIN SHELBY: If you wish to have approval authority
11:15:01 of that, that has to be incorporated into an ordinance.
11:15:05 Or into the fee resolution in some manner.
11:15:08 If you wish to just to get a report right now to have
11:15:11 that forwarded to Council, you can have that as a
11:15:13 written report or you can have a future staff report as
11:15:17 to what the actual process and procedures in the rules
11:15:19 off the scholarship.
11:15:20 But if Council wishes to have approval process, then a
11:15:24 motion to ask that be incorporated into the ordinance
11:15:27 would be appropriate.
11:15:32 >>MARY MULHERN: That's a very good point.
11:15:34 I think that, I just got a copy of a letter from one of
11:15:38 the parks programs, to a parent, and this letter says
11:15:43 the camp fees
11:15:46 are 55 a week.
11:15:51 And last year it was 49 for the entire summer program.
11:15:55 So that doesn't jive with what you're telling bus did
11:15:58 $7 and the 7.50.
11:16:00 And then does outline what the income eligibility
11:16:04 guidelines are.
11:16:06 This is what we need.
11:16:07 I mean, you know, you're giving -- you're telling us
11:16:10 what you're the doing and you're sending this out to
11:16:14 parks people.
11:16:15 But do we have this?
11:16:17 >> Yes.
11:16:17 I will --
11:16:19 >>MARY MULHERN: No, do we have it?
11:16:20 We don't have this piece of paper until citizen called
11:16:25 and brought it to my office.
11:16:28 It sounds like the income eligibility guidelines are
11:16:30 what you said, are they the poverty level federal
11:16:34 poverty income level?
11:16:35 Which is family of 2, 29,000.
11:16:38 Family of three, 36.
11:16:39 Family of four, 44.
11:16:40 So, we know what that is.
11:16:45 >>THOMAS SCOTT: But I'm trying to get us to pass
11:16:47 something so we'll have that information.
11:16:50 >>MARY MULHERN: Here's what I'm trying to say.
11:16:51 We don't -- not only do we not have what their policy
11:16:56 and their guidelines are, we don't have any numbers of
11:17:00 what has happened to these programs and what's
11:17:03 So I feel like we need both those things.
11:17:05 And I'm not confident that, you know, we can even make
11:17:10 that decision -- we can't rewrite this today.
11:17:15 We're going to have to give direction after we hear
11:17:18 everything from you.
11:17:18 I think.
11:17:19 Legal to come back with what might be a solution.
11:17:23 But I think we need to be cognizant of the fact that
11:17:26 what we're being told, we don't necessarily have in
11:17:29 writing from you.
11:17:30 And it's being contradicted by citizens.
11:17:36 >>THOMAS SCOTT: I'm trying to move -- I'm trying to
11:17:38 move the process.
11:17:39 That's what I said.
11:17:40 If we can get something drafted that will allow the
11:17:44 administration to provide for us in writing, that way
11:17:47 we'll have that.
11:17:48 If you want to go further, Council, you can have
11:17:51 approval -- is that right, approval over the fees if
11:17:54 you want that.
11:17:56 My think, let's -- let's have information so we can
11:18:00 give to our constituents that we have.
11:18:04 And make sure the need people start talking about
11:18:08 Various needs, so we have all that before us.
11:18:10 You follow what I'm saying?
11:18:13 >>MARY MULHERN: You're right.
11:18:14 I may have want to go further.
11:18:15 And propose that.
11:18:17 I don't know if there will be support.
11:18:20 -- no.
11:18:21 Excuse me.
11:18:21 Can I finish?
11:18:23 We're not going to know until she's done giving her
11:18:25 And we need to hear about the after-school programs
11:18:28 Because that's where we can see what the results of her
11:18:32 efforts are.
11:18:33 We can say okay, last time you were here, you had a 70,
11:18:41 average 65% dropoff in attendance.
11:18:44 Now what is it after you have put some of these
11:18:46 scholarships and these remedies in place?
11:18:49 And that's how we're going to know if what she's
11:18:51 proposing is going to work.
11:18:53 For the summer program.
11:18:56 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: My motion would be to continue this
11:18:57 to our next regular Council meeting and have the parks
11:19:01 give us some data.
11:19:02 And that will help us.
11:19:04 >>MARY MULHERN: Well, that's what we were supposed to
11:19:06 have today.
11:19:07 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Well, I'm making this as a motion to
11:19:09 bring this back --
11:19:11 >>MARY MULHERN: That's what this meeting was supposed
11:19:12 to be.
11:19:13 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Okay.
11:19:13 That was a motion.
11:19:15 But me -- yes, ma'am, but again, you didn't hear what I
11:19:18 just said.
11:19:19 Do you want the authority to set the fees or not?
11:19:22 That's the question.
11:19:24 >> We have the authority.
11:19:25 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Not according to this here.
11:19:27 We can -- it's not in the ordinance, is it?
11:19:29 Is it in the ordinance?
11:19:31 Not in the ordinance.
11:19:34 >>CHARLES FLETCHER: My understanding, is we have got a
11:19:36 few resolution.
11:19:37 And then we have an effort by the administration to
11:19:40 ameliorate the effects of having the fee changes.
11:19:43 If in an ordinance, Council wanted to, you could
11:19:46 specifically direct them to establish a relief or
11:19:51 scholarship program with standards or with reporting to
11:19:55 Council periodically, so that you're aware of that.
11:19:58 And that's --
11:19:59 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Restate that again.
11:20:00 Would that be your motion?
11:20:02 Do I need to give the gavel to make that motion?
11:20:04 That's what we want, Mr. Fletcher.
11:20:09 Can you restate that again please?
11:20:14 >>CHARLES FLETCHER: An ordinance provision that directs
11:20:15 the administration to establish a scholarship or relief
11:20:19 program for people that need assistance to be able to
11:20:23 participate in the parks and recreation program and
11:20:25 periodically reporting back to Council on the
11:20:28 development and process that's in place.
11:20:32 >>THOMAS SCOTT: That sounds just like I wrote it.
11:20:34 [ Laughter ]
11:20:35 >> I'll second, Mr. Chairman's motion.
11:20:38 >> Let me speak to that motion.
11:20:41 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Mr. Chairman, my mind tells me that
11:20:43 sometime back, I asked the recreation department to
11:20:46 send us a report every month of what's going on.
11:20:49 Am I correct?
11:20:50 >> Uh-huh.
11:20:51 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: So it's basically what we're doing
11:20:53 So, Miss Saul-Sena, the motion is good, but doesn't
11:21:00 specifically address statistics.
11:21:02 And we're looking for statistics, to see how we're
11:21:05 I agree with Miss Saul-Sena, we should have the
11:21:07 statistics included, so we if one month, two months,
11:21:12 they months, no improvement, hey, what's happening
11:21:15 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: So the motion is this would come
11:21:17 back from legal to Council -- how long do we need,
11:21:20 Mr. Fletcher?
11:21:22 >>CHARLES FLETCHER: We could do it probably at a June
11:21:26 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: June 3rd or 2nd?
11:21:29 >>THOMAS SCOTT: 30 days?
11:21:31 >>CHARLES FLETCHER: 30 days would be fine.
11:21:32 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Been a motion and second.
11:21:34 Any more discussion on the motion?
11:21:35 Miss Mulhern?
11:21:40 >>MARY MULHERN: Are you talking about the summer
11:21:42 programs only?
11:21:48 >>THOMAS SCOTT: All the programs.
11:21:49 >>MARY MULHERN: She hasn't given us her report on the
11:21:52 after-school program also.
11:21:54 I'm not going to support this motion because we need to
11:21:56 hear if what they are doing is working.
11:21:59 And I think you have those numbers, don't? How the
11:22:03 attendance has changed since we got this memo, this
11:22:07 chart, with a month, two months ago?
11:22:10 >> Let me explain how -- couple things work.
11:22:15 >>MARY MULHERN: Do tough update of after-school
11:22:16 programs attendance, comparison?
11:22:20 >> Those numbers will stay the same.
11:22:21 Because we are still in the school year.
11:22:23 It's the next year when we register in June for the
11:22:27 fall, when those numbers you will see change.
11:22:29 It won't be for this year.
11:22:30 Most people are either in their circumstances already,
11:22:33 have already registered for whatever programs in their
11:22:35 fall previously.
11:22:37 Again, a lot of the calls we have had, we lost 104 of
11:22:40 them to the middle school area.
11:22:43 So those numbers aren't going to be there.
11:22:45 You're going to see those changes just with the
11:22:47 circumstances scenario.
11:22:49 We have a lot of people who have moved out of the area.
11:22:51 And we have got -- I'll share all that date take.
11:22:54 I've got everything.
11:22:55 Staffer has really been doing a great job out there,
11:22:58 trying to find out exactly where those kids are.
11:23:00 And then making sure their parents know there are
11:23:02 resources available to them.
11:23:04 Come and see us.
11:23:05 We'll get the information, we'll get the paperwork to
11:23:07 We have made some changes.
11:23:09 We all can benefit from some changes and improvements.
11:23:12 We did that when we did our summer.
11:23:14 We, instead of just saying, reduced fees are available,
11:23:17 we specifically --
11:23:18 >>MARY MULHERN: I'm not asking what you're doing.
11:23:20 I'm asking for the report of the numbers.
11:23:22 And that's what we have to have.
11:23:24 We have to have a report on the after school numbers.
11:23:29 Is that included in this motion?
11:23:31 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Motion is to bring back everything.
11:23:35 >> We'll be happy to do that.
11:23:36 We can track everything through our program.
11:23:38 Able to tell you on a day to bay basis.
11:23:41 >>MARY MULHERN: Guess what's happened?
11:23:42 We have lost an entire year of attendance.
11:23:44 We have parents who have nowhere nor their kids to go,
11:23:48 the entire school year basically.
11:23:49 And now the summer programs are at risk.
11:23:53 So I don't think it's enough to ask for a report which
11:23:56 we were supposed to get to today, if not before.
11:24:00 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Things are going well.
11:24:01 >>MARY MULHERN: How do you know?
11:24:03 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Reported to us that the
11:24:04 preregistration for the summer programs are the
11:24:08 >>MARY MULHERN: But it's summer in a couple weeks.
11:24:09 And it's one-third of the students that they had last
11:24:14 >>GWEN MILLER: We have a motion on the floor.
11:24:16 Go ahead.
11:24:21 >>THOMAS SCOTT: I made the motion.
11:24:22 >> I just want to share with you, when we started with
11:24:25 the level one, two and three reductions, which is the
11:24:27 sliding fee schedule for our participants, we were at
11:24:31 478 folks that had signed on with us in the September,
11:24:39 October time period.
11:24:39 As of yesterday, may 5th, 2010, at 3:41 p.m., we had
11:24:47 1257 folks registered with us for our reduced fees.
11:24:51 1128 are at the level three, which is the lowest amount
11:24:57 of registration for our program, without a scholarship.
11:25:00 So they would pay for summer, 25 or 20.
11:25:05 And then applying for the scholarship from there.
11:25:07 If it's after school, they would pay for ten for the
11:25:10 first child, five for the other and five on from there.
11:25:13 Those are the two differences.
11:25:14 Those are the levels.
11:25:15 So we have gone from 478 folks that were very afraid
11:25:18 fees, what do we do how do we do it?
11:25:21 And we have been working very hard and they have gotten
11:25:24 1257 of those folks new in us getting ready for summer.
11:25:29 Are there a lot more out there?
11:25:31 Most definitely.
11:25:31 We want them to come in.
11:25:32 I appreciate the venue and opportunity to do this
11:25:35 because it gives hopefully folks who are seeing this,
11:25:38 come to your park facility, pick up information, fill
11:25:40 out your scholarship, get it back in.
11:25:42 We'll take care ever it.
11:25:43 We have gotten 93 of them that are not registered in
11:25:46 summer program right now.
11:25:47 That 969 are not scholarship folks.
11:25:51 >>THOMAS SCOTT: We have to move this agenda.
11:25:52 >> I just want to make sure I'm very clear.
11:25:56 We are here to work with everybody.
11:25:57 We have continued to work with everybody.
11:26:00 >>GWEN MILLER: We have a call.
11:26:01 We have a motion on the floor.
11:26:02 Going to vote on the motion.
11:26:03 All in flavor of Skot's motion.
11:26:08 >> Motioned carried with Mulhern voting no.
11:26:13 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I'd like to move item 11, which was
11:26:15 carried over --
11:26:17 >> We already did that.
11:26:20 >>THOMAS SCOTT: You have any other items?
11:26:22 >> I'm with item number 64.
11:26:26 Jean Dorzback provided the memo regarding the Davis
11:26:28 Island trail.
11:26:31 >>MARY MULHERN: I still have questions on 64.
11:26:33 Despite your motion.
11:26:36 >>THOMAS SCOTT: We carried that motion.
11:26:39 >>MARY MULHERN: Okay.
11:26:39 I appreciate all the work you're doing.
11:26:42 I don't understand why you're standing here and we
11:26:45 didn't have this report before today, that we are now
11:26:47 giving you another month to give us.
11:26:50 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Point of order.
11:26:51 With all due respect, we are done with this issue.
11:26:59 We had a motion, it carried the day.
11:27:02 >>MARY MULHERN: I know.
11:27:02 Everybody just left.
11:27:03 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Going to carry on.
11:27:05 You've pony to -- spoken to this four times.
11:27:07 Way over five minutes.
11:27:08 Let's just move on.
11:27:10 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you, sir.
11:27:11 65, miss Ellis.
11:27:16 >> This one is in regards to the days of island
11:27:19 pedestrian trail.
11:27:21 We want to start and I'm here for you if you need mean.
11:27:24 >> Jean Dorzback, transportation manager.
11:27:26 We submitted a memorandum to Council responding to this
11:27:30 Attached a map also we thought might be helpful to kind
11:27:34 of put the different locations in perspective.
11:27:37 Basically, the parks and recreation departments and
11:27:40 working on this project for a number of years, there
11:27:43 are fortunate enough to have a gentleman named Theo
11:27:48 Petrus, a recognized expert on bicycle and pedestrian
11:27:51 safety, been on their teams for this project.
11:27:55 Their consultant team developed plans for the trail and
11:27:58 the crossings.
11:27:59 The transportation division conducted a separate
11:28:02 independent review of those plans and that information.
11:28:05 And we basically came to the same conclusion that the
11:28:10 consultant team did, which was that the crossing that
11:28:14 we have proposed at the intersections of Severn and
11:28:19 Martinique is the most ideal location for this
11:28:22 It's at a location where motorists would be expected
11:28:25 potential conflict with other vehicles and pedestrians.
11:28:29 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Councilman Dingfelder?
11:28:31 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Thank you.
11:28:31 Jean, you did a great job on the memo.
11:28:34 I think must Saul-Sena and both have read it and we
11:28:37 have been raising this issue.
11:28:38 I raised it six months ago with you, Karen and with
11:28:41 you, Steve.
11:28:42 The only request I have that I still haven't seen
11:28:45 answered is, I want the trail built and I know the
11:28:47 crossings going to go at that intersection.
11:28:50 But what I requested pursuant to some of the, I think
11:28:53 safety suggestion from Davis Island residents is that
11:28:57 we consider putting in some type of flashing signal
11:29:00 there, maybe we could do it solar activated so it
11:29:02 wouldn't involve a lot of technical, you know, wiring
11:29:06 and stuff.
11:29:07 But, that we put in a pedestrian activated signal there
11:29:12 so folks get to that intersection and they're worried
11:29:15 about the danger of crossing there, that we, they can
11:29:18 come up and push a button and that would put up some
11:29:21 flashing lights and let traffic know they want to
11:29:23 So, it seems like that's feasible.
11:29:27 I know that's a little airport issue about putting
11:29:30 flashing lights there.
11:29:31 But I visualize it actually being cross ways to the
11:29:34 flight pattern, which the flight pattern is this way
11:29:37 and the lights I'm visualizing are this way.
11:29:40 I don't know why that would be an airplane issue.
11:29:42 Plus, we could direct lights, put some shrouds over the
11:29:45 lights that would keep them from being an airplane
11:29:48 I asked that question to both Karen you and Steve six
11:29:52 months ago.
11:29:53 I don't know where it went.
11:29:54 >> I can tell new terms of what's being proposed, it
11:29:57 certainly appropriate, adequate.
11:29:58 Meets all the criteria we need to meet in terms of
11:30:03 We're very comfortable what we have there is going to
11:30:05 be safe and appropriate.
11:30:07 I think Karen may have had some communication with FAA
11:30:11 on the blinking light.
11:30:12 You may want to comment on that.
11:30:14 >> It is our understanding from talking with them, we
11:30:15 are not able to put in blinking lights.
11:30:18 But I'll be glad to go back and ask that question
11:30:21 I know Lori and them had asked before and it's not
11:30:25 something they want to have for concern and safety.
11:30:27 I will ask it again.
11:30:28 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: But if you look at the geometry,
11:30:31 it's 90-degree difference from the direction the planes
11:30:33 are coming from.
11:30:34 I mean, ya'll can visualize that.
11:30:37 And the other thing is, have we asked if we can shroud
11:30:41 If we don't ask the question, they're going to say we'd
11:30:45 like to put blinking lights at the end of your runway,
11:30:47 they're going to say no.
11:30:48 But if we ask about specific things like that, for
11:30:51 pedestrian safety purposes.
11:30:53 Jean, I believe does it meet standards now?
11:30:57 Yes, would blinking lights be safer?
11:31:01 I mean, would they than safer?
11:31:03 They'd have to be safer.
11:31:05 >> I can say that what we have proposed is nationally
11:31:08 recognized standards, recognized safety.
11:31:11 So, whether the blinking lights would add another layer
11:31:14 of that is --
11:31:16 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Sure they do.
11:31:17 That's why we put them up elsewhere.
11:31:19 >> We feel very comfortable with what we are proposing
11:31:22 in giving pedestrians safest conditions possible.
11:31:25 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I understand.
11:31:27 I'm not even going to ask to you come back.
11:31:29 Just send us a memo and say we have done our due
11:31:31 diligence and tell us if we could put in the blinking
11:31:34 lights or not.
11:31:35 If so, how much they cost and maybe we can find the
11:31:38 Thank you.
11:31:39 >>GWEN MILLER: Miss Saul?
11:31:42 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I hope this will be the safest
11:31:45 A number of residents felt in part that having those,
11:31:48 the crossway where you have greater visibility in both
11:31:52 directions was safer.
11:31:53 It makes sense to me intuitively.
11:31:56 You are the ones who put the corrosion at the base of
11:31:58 the Davis Island bridge, which I think is the nuttiest
11:32:02 place to put a cross way ever in the community.
11:32:04 If you think that's safe, then who am I to argue about
11:32:06 another location?
11:32:07 So, anyway, I just hope everybody is safe.
11:32:10 I'm thrilled that we're finally getting this bike route
11:32:13 Thank you.
11:32:15 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I just want to thing miss Dorzback
11:32:18 for assisting the good people of Hillsborough County
11:32:20 who had trouble getting out of the garage and chasing
11:32:23 police officers and getting them out of that garage so
11:32:25 they can have dinner on time.
11:32:26 Thank you very much.
11:32:28 >> Just in the sake of time for you, the Council, could
11:32:31 we address items 68?
11:32:35 >> Before Miss Palus leaves, the board we met over at
11:32:43 the Seminole Heights Garden Center.
11:32:45 I want to thank you.
11:32:46 Kind of the last minute, you all came through for us.
11:32:50 We had originally had I guess scheduled for children's
11:32:53 Something happened.
11:32:53 And your staff, your office accommodated us on last
11:32:57 And I tell you, that is a beautiful -- of course I was
11:33:00 there for the opening.
11:33:01 But it's a beautiful facility.
11:33:02 Just want to thank you and your staff for really
11:33:05 responding and just making it available for us.
11:33:08 I tell you, it is first class.
11:33:10 Seminole Heights garden community got to be very proud
11:33:13 of that facility.
11:33:15 >> I personally want to thank you and Mr. Carotta and
11:33:24 your staff for outstanding work.
11:33:26 I specifically, if I can, just want to acknowledge Nick
11:33:30 Kelso and Frank Hilton and Luis Campanello, who
11:33:34 everybody worked really well to have this be a
11:33:37 successful event.
11:33:38 I just want to personally thank you and your staff.
11:33:41 >>THOMAS SCOTT: I'm going to get them a letter to thank
11:33:43 them as well.
11:33:45 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I just hope you charge them $100 an
11:33:48 hour minimum.
11:33:49 That's what the rate was.
11:33:50 [ Laughter ]
11:33:51 >> You did a wonderful job plugging that Councilman
11:33:55 Miranda, thank you.
11:33:56 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Steve, go ahead.
11:33:57 >> I was going to address item 68.
11:34:00 Involving, installing bike lanes on Davis Island.
11:34:04 Again, we're pursuing and we're looking at more of a
11:34:08 global approach on how we can get bike lanes and again
11:34:12 increased pedestrian access throughout the city.
11:34:15 We're working with the MPO and FDOT for grants.
11:34:18 Again, there are comp plan there are being changes.
11:34:23 We're looking for opportunities as we have been saying,
11:34:25 when we build a project, if it's a road project, we
11:34:28 don't build many of them, but when we do, we do the
11:34:31 entire project to include the streets and the bus pull
11:34:34 ups and things that we can, the sidewalks, bike lanes.
11:34:37 The same thing when, as we have been saying, when we
11:34:40 have opportunities and we're looking at overlaying
11:34:44 We look at the same thing.
11:34:46 Is there an opportunity here for a bike lane?
11:34:48 And we'll continue to do that.
11:34:49 We are also building some trails, like the ones out on
11:34:53 Davis Island.
11:34:55 Just at first blush, though, on Davis Island, there is
11:34:59 a lot of on-street parking.
11:35:01 Quite frankly, it's a very safe place to bike because
11:35:04 it's not a through road.
11:35:06 People can get on and off on only one place.
11:35:09 But, again, we think there's going to be some
11:35:11 difficulties with pursuing a bike lane out there.
11:35:15 Anyway, be glad to answer questions.
11:35:18 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Any questions on that?
11:35:21 >> And then we have item number 69, which was a motion
11:35:26 and Jean's got that --
11:35:29 >> Yes, again.
11:35:31 Had a conversation for clarity on this motion and
11:35:34 provided a memo for review.
11:35:36 Basically, just wanted to give a quick overview of all
11:35:41 the things we are doing in terms of addressing bicycle
11:35:44 and pedestrian safety.
11:35:45 Our new comprehensive plan is very focused on
11:35:49 multimodal travel and bicycle and pedestrian safety.
11:35:52 So we're working on a number of fronts to implement
11:35:56 those policies.
11:35:57 We're working with the MPO and the DOT to seek
11:36:02 pedestrian safety funds and enhancement funds through
11:36:05 their established processes.
11:36:07 We're very excited to be having the opportunity to
11:36:11 develop a complete street project within our traffic
11:36:14 calming program.
11:36:16 Our kickoff project is North Boulevard.
11:36:18 We're looking at formulating our design concept
11:36:21 basically between the bridge and MLK.
11:36:24 Taking the existing four lane undivided road and making
11:36:29 some changes that will implement a bicycle provision.
11:36:33 Left turn lanes for the left Turners to make a safer
11:36:37 movement, which will help out the pedestrians and
11:36:41 We focus on this project because the pedestrian traffic
11:36:45 there from the university and the school, so felt like
11:36:48 it was a good project to start with.
11:36:51 We're also continuing to review our resurfacing
11:36:54 projects that we have on collector roads to see what
11:36:58 opportunities might be available.
11:37:00 As we resurface a project, could we put in bicycle
11:37:04 Bicycle signage?
11:37:05 Whatever other bicycle provisions or pedestrian
11:37:10 provision out there already, doing another project.
11:37:12 And we're also continuing our policy of any time we
11:37:18 have a roadway widening project, for example, 40th
11:37:21 Street, Manhattan, Cross Creek, we make sure that
11:37:25 whatever opportunity there is for the other modes of
11:37:29 travel, we put those in as well.
11:37:30 For example, 40th Street, we had an opportunity to put
11:37:34 a lot of bus pull-offs in, which will remove those
11:37:37 vehicles from the travel lane, cause less conflict for
11:37:41 bus riders and motorists as well.
11:37:43 And finally, we are working with our team to develop
11:37:50 procedures for transportation concurrency exception
11:37:54 area policies.
11:37:54 This will allow us to put those procedures in at the
11:37:59 review level, and as projects are developing, as
11:38:03 developments are coming in, we can try to incorporate
11:38:05 and get the different pedestrian, bicycle pieces as
11:38:09 part of developments as well.
11:38:10 So we feel like there's a lot of focus on this right
11:38:15 And hopefully in the very near future you'll actually
11:38:18 see it come to fruition through some of the projects
11:38:22 actually being built out there.
11:38:23 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Any questions?
11:38:25 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I want to thank you, Miss Dorzback.
11:38:28 I feel like between the national secretary of
11:38:31 transportation saying bicyclists and pedestrians are on
11:38:35 par with drivers in terms of respect and funding,
11:38:39 that's a huge shift in attitude.
11:38:41 And I'm seeing that shift also here at the City of
11:38:44 And as you said, the proof will be in the pudding when
11:38:47 we actually see these things happen in our communities.
11:38:51 But I look forward to that.
11:38:52 And I will as an MPO member also go after money to
11:38:56 reeducate the public so that we make -- we have kinder,
11:38:59 gentler streets.
11:39:00 We had a suggestion today that our city request the
11:39:04 department of transportation to put messages on their
11:39:06 messaging boards about sharing the road and that
11:39:09 there's a law that bicyclists need three feet of
11:39:13 If you all would make that request that would be great.
11:39:15 Says it needs to come from the city.
11:39:18 >> Yes.
11:39:18 >> Thank you.
11:39:19 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Can we get a motion on 65 and 69 to
11:39:21 receive an file?
11:39:24 >> Move 65 and 69.
11:39:27 So moved.
11:39:29 >> Discussed 65 already.
11:39:30 Then on 69.
11:39:32 >> Second.
11:39:34 >>THOMAS SCOTT: 68 has been done okay.
11:39:36 >> Second.
11:39:37 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Moved and second.
11:39:38 All in favor signify by saying aye.
11:39:41 >> Again, number 72 is one more related, again we have
11:39:47 submitted a memo to Council with a map that shows
11:39:51 already established bike routes in and out of the city.
11:39:54 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Are there any questions?
11:39:58 >> It's really not adequate.
11:39:59 Thank you, but it doesn't specifically address this.
11:40:02 What I'd like to do, is enact 120 days, you all come
11:40:05 back with something that's more specifically geared to
11:40:08 And also clarifying that bicycles are allowed in the
11:40:12 city park.
11:40:12 I think there's been some miscommunication -- we don't
11:40:16 have to take time now.
11:40:17 But I'd like to move this.
11:40:18 This comes back in a written report is fine.
11:40:20 But in 120 days for something more specifically geared
11:40:22 toward the safe route through the park.
11:40:25 >> If I could mention something.
11:40:27 We are working with the MPO, can developing a scope for
11:40:30 master plan, for bicycles and sidewalks.
11:40:32 And we're looking at focusing on our growth areas, to
11:40:36 start out, because we don't have funding for the entire
11:40:39 But we're looking at this process to be, to have some
11:40:44 public component to it, where we could get input from
11:40:47 bicycle community and others.
11:40:49 And I believe if we could work through this process to
11:40:52 develop the master plan, then instead of separating out
11:40:56 this one particular request, that could be part of this
11:40:59 master plan.
11:41:00 Then we'd have the benefit of the community involvement
11:41:02 and input from the various users, potential users, so
11:41:06 that our plan would be more vetted through rather than
11:41:09 transportation just breaking this off and doing it
11:41:12 separate action.
11:41:13 So if that would be adequate for you, I'd like to
11:41:16 suggest we approach it that way.
11:41:18 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: That's more global and makes a lot
11:41:19 of sense.
11:41:20 But is the 120 days?
11:41:22 >> I don't believe we could get it back in 120 days
11:41:24 because we are working with the MPO on our scope right
11:41:27 We'll have the logistics of issuing the work order.
11:41:30 We wanted to try to make the schedule as short as
11:41:33 But I really can't guarantee it could be 120 days.
11:41:38 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Lets put it for update in 120 days.
11:41:41 >> Yes.
11:41:42 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Which will be what, June, July,
11:41:44 So the first meeting in August.
11:41:46 >> Okay.
11:41:47 >>THOMAS SCOTT: That's item 71 72?
11:41:51 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Yes.
11:41:52 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Moved and second.
11:41:52 Come back, just the report to update where you all are
11:41:55 on that process.
11:41:57 All in favor seeing phi.
11:41:59 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Written and appear for the update.
11:42:01 >> If it's Council's pleasure, I'll do one more, number
11:42:05 Tampa electric company?
11:42:08 If we can do 70, Council, and then pick up the next
11:42:11 item, already 66.
11:42:14 Then we'll adjourn for lunch.
11:42:17 >> Again, we provided a memo to Council where we hope
11:42:23 we have answered a number of your questions.
11:42:26 Andric has gone around and talked with all of you,
11:42:28 hoping to answer your questions.
11:42:36 But if you have any other issues.
11:42:38 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Any questions on item 70?
11:42:41 >> None.
11:42:42 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Motion to receive and filed and second.
11:42:44 All in favor signify by saying aye.
11:42:47 >> Thank you.
11:42:49 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Is Karen still here?
11:42:51 On item 13, I think.
11:42:53 Okay, then lets take up the billboards.
11:42:59 >> Julia Cole, legal department.
11:43:02 I had submitted a memorandum to City Council on
11:43:04 May 4th.
11:43:06 With a revised proposed ordinance relating to the
11:43:10 electronic billboards signs, in line with, at least in
11:43:14 an attempt to be in line with motion made by City
11:43:17 Council at your workshop agenda on April 22nd.
11:43:20 I know you're short on time.
11:43:21 The memorandum summarizes where we are on those issues.
11:43:25 So I'm not going to get into that conversation unless
11:43:28 you have specific questions.
11:43:29 I did want to note to City Council that during your
11:43:34 public comment portion of your agenda, there was an
11:43:37 issue which was raised in regards to the measurement of
11:43:40 the lighting.
11:43:41 I did want to clarify because some of the comments I
11:43:44 think were a little bit confusing of the two issues.
11:43:48 In our settlement agreements with the billboard
11:43:51 agreements, there are distant separation requirements
11:43:53 for location of billboards from residential.
11:43:55 But the issue in the build board, the proposal,
11:43:59 billboard ordinance relates to the measurement of the
11:44:02 lighting standard.
11:44:04 The lighting standard in what you have received remains
11:44:07 at point three foot candles.
11:44:10 What has changed as a result of communication from the
11:44:14 attorneys for Clear Channel to myself, is the
11:44:16 measurement in previous ordinances was 200 feet from
11:44:21 the residential property line, or 150 feet as measured
11:44:28 perpendicular from the sign.
11:44:29 I have been told that that 150 feet perpendicular
11:44:32 measurement is an impossibility at point three
11:44:35 foot-candles, giving the existing technologies.
11:44:38 And that's why it was changed to 250 feet.
11:44:41 The measurement from the residential property line was
11:44:44 also changed to 250 feet.
11:44:46 As a result of some of the comments that came today,
11:44:48 additional discussions with Clear Channel, I have gone
11:44:51 ahead and revised back to what it was originally, the
11:44:55 measurement from the residential property line at
11:44:57 200 feet.
11:44:58 And I have an amended ordinance that I would like to
11:45:02 give into the record, which relates to that issue.
11:45:05 >>THOMAS SCOTT: With those changes?
11:45:07 >>JULIA COLE: With that change.
11:45:08 Also contains all the changes that are within the red
11:45:10 line version of the proposed ordinance, that I'd
11:45:12 outlined for you.
11:45:14 The only additional change in this is as I was going
11:45:16 through my last final review, we did notice that -- I
11:45:20 did notice and I wanted to assure that there was no --
11:45:23 was no conflicting provisions between the settlement
11:45:26 agreement and this ordinance and we went ahead and
11:45:28 cleared up any conflicting provisions.
11:45:30 We made sure if there were requirements under the
11:45:33 agreements, say, for example, for the removal of the
11:45:35 billboard signs for the settlement agreement it was
11:45:40 clear no signs could be upgraded in the ordinance.
11:45:42 Could in the agreement.
11:45:43 Until that occurs.
11:45:45 But as a general matters, those significant changes are
11:45:47 the ones that you see on the sheet.
11:45:52 The only other change that's in here is relating to the
11:45:57 use of banked credits for the purposes of upgrading a
11:46:02 As you may recall, Mr. Randy Barron came to the meeting
11:46:07 during your workshop, and expressed some concerns with
11:46:10 the way the language was drafted.
11:46:12 What we went ahead and did, we revised the ordinance to
11:46:16 make clear that when you are exchanging -- as you
11:46:21 recall, one to ten ratio, but the way you calculate the
11:46:25 exchange is that you, under the ordinance, would you
11:46:28 have the opportunity, sign ordinance, have the
11:46:31 opportunity to receive one electronic billboard sign
11:46:34 face, for the removal of ten times that amount in
11:46:39 square footage.
11:46:40 So for example, if you had received, if you were
11:46:43 looking, if your company looking to receive permit for
11:46:46 672 square foot electronic billboard sign face, that
11:46:50 you would be obligated to remove ten times that amount
11:46:55 of traditional billboard sign faces in order to be able
11:47:00 to do that.
11:47:00 That language is changed to just go with that combined
11:47:04 square footage.
11:47:05 The only other little change that was made is there was
11:47:09 a -- there was a provision in there that said your bank
11:47:12 credits needed to be a minimum of 300 square feet.
11:47:15 That got real confusing, we were really looking at it.
11:47:19 So we have cleared up that section.
11:47:20 So the measurement, just so everybody is clear, as a
11:47:23 general matter, the measurement's going to be, ten to
11:47:26 one measurement, for everyone electronic billboard sign
11:47:29 face that you're entitled to, as a sign owner, you have
11:47:32 to remove ten times that amount, four of those signs,
11:47:40 with the same amount, you know, say its 400 square --
11:47:45 4,000 square feet have to be billboard signs in place.
11:47:47 The other six can come from bank credits.
11:47:50 So that's where we are on that issue.
11:47:53 And the only other issue I did want to make clear to
11:47:58 City Council, that as you recall after your last
11:48:00 meeting, the motion was to reduce the number of
11:48:03 potential electronic signs to fix four on large
11:48:08 roadways, two on the small roadways, the concession to
11:48:13 that issue has been made.
11:48:14 I know City Council was interested in potentially
11:48:17 having a resolution or some other action which would
11:48:19 be, would say their intents and revisit this in two
11:48:24 If we do get to second reading, I will bring a
11:48:26 resolution to that effect before City Council.
11:48:28 And the only other two issues, were not necessarily
11:48:32 related to the electronic billboard signs but related
11:48:35 to the government sign issue we heard from Mr. Don Conn
11:48:37 about this morning.
11:48:39 That change was made as a result to add in the transit
11:48:42 shelters was made as a result of your motion at the
11:48:45 last meeting.
11:48:46 We certainly have the right to make changes between
11:48:50 first and second reading.
11:48:52 If there's another direction from Council.
11:48:53 The only thing I want to make clear is that if we
11:48:56 completely remove the section relating to transit
11:48:58 shelters, we'll need to read an ordinance that doesn't
11:49:01 have that in it's title and if that's the direction
11:49:04 Council wants to go, I have that oranges available as
11:49:07 I'm in the hands. Clerk right now, the clean final
11:49:09 version of the ordinance, unless any can changes are
11:49:14 going to be directed between first and second reading.
11:49:16 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Council mon Miranda?
11:49:18 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you.
11:49:19 If I do the math real quickly, looking at one
11:49:22 electronic sign at 672 feet, you're removing ten, you
11:49:26 have 6,720 feet that you're going to remove.
11:49:30 Over that, if 4,000 are actual signs, then the bank
11:49:34 would having to give up the credits, 2,720 feet.
11:49:37 Am I correct?
11:49:38 >> I actually didn't say that right.
11:49:40 I was trying to run through this quick.
11:49:41 The measurement is always going to be based upon the
11:49:45 sign you're seeking.
11:49:46 Sign receiving permit.
11:49:48 So if you have a 672 square foot sign, then four times
11:49:52 that amount will have to be from signs in place.
11:49:56 Six times that amount will have to be, can be from
11:49:59 banked credits.
11:50:03 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: 627 for one sign, if that's the
11:50:05 size, times ten is 6,720 feet.
11:50:09 You said they had to remove ten signs, so I'm taking a
11:50:13 guess that the signs they're removing, they're either
11:50:17 40 by 10 or something like that equal 410 of those
11:50:20 would be 4,000 feet.
11:50:22 Then from the credit in the bank, would be 2,720 feet,
11:50:26 to equal the utilization of the formula that you just
11:50:31 >> You do math way quicker than do I in my head.
11:50:38 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'm finished.
11:50:40 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Commission woman Saul-Sena?
11:50:43 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I paid close attention to what
11:50:46 Mr. Conn shared with us this morning and I feel it's
11:50:50 important that we provide shelter to our bus riders.
11:50:52 I know that we don't have the revenue to provide it
11:50:55 other than through advertising in the bus shelters.
11:50:57 So what I'd like to do is amend what's before us to
11:51:00 preclude the bus shelters.
11:51:03 To not include the bus shelters in the provision that's
11:51:08 before us about the LED signs.
11:51:10 It was never a part of the original discussion.
11:51:12 And I feel like in deference to our transit users, we
11:51:16 need to preclude the bus shelters.
11:51:19 >>JULIA COLE: In order to kind of take this separate, I
11:51:21 will indicate to you all that I did have a conversation
11:51:24 with clerk Jordan Holmes this morning.
11:51:27 And I do understand HART does not have an objection to
11:51:30 a provision which indicates that the HART shelters
11:51:32 cannot have electronic signs.
11:51:35 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I'm sorry.
11:51:37 >>JULIA COLE: I did want to skate that as well.
11:51:39 If City Council wanted to lever something in there
11:51:41 about traffic shelters.
11:51:43 I neglected to indicate that.
11:51:45 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: My intention, what I was saying,
11:51:47 excuse me if I wasn't clear.
11:51:49 I wasn't referring to LED signs.
11:51:51 I'm referring to advertising in bus shelters.
11:51:54 >>THOMAS SCOTT: That had no reference here anyway.
11:51:57 But the idea was, as I understand from staff that had
11:52:00 been briefed, that Jordan Holmes with HART was all on
11:52:06 board of with the ordinance because he understood it.
11:52:07 That's what I was told.
11:52:08 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: No.
11:52:09 >>JULIA COLE: The last conversation I had with
11:52:10 Mr. Jordan Holmes was that --
11:52:14 I think HART was a little frustrated this got to them
11:52:17 after the last minute.
11:52:18 But I was able to talk to them and they understand the
11:52:20 issue, that they didn't have a problem with retaining
11:52:23 something in an in accordance which would limit transit
11:52:27 shelters to having no electronic bill botched signs.
11:52:31 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Margo is here.
11:52:34 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Well, Councilman Dingfelder?
11:52:37 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I was going to point out that Miss
11:52:38 Harder is here on behalf of the HART.
11:52:41 We can get clarification.
11:52:42 I'm looking at the proposed change.
11:52:45 And I think clearly we are all on board with, we don't
11:52:49 want digital billboard signs in the HART shelters.
11:52:52 I talked to Mr. Margo and Mr. Conn earlier and
11:52:55 Mr. Clark Holmes yesterday.
11:52:57 That's not the intent of HART anyway.
11:52:59 So I think we are all comfortable with that part of it.
11:53:02 But the other part says, shall comply with the lighting
11:53:07 standards contained in city code 20-5.
11:53:09 Then looking at 20-5-13, paren 2, speaks to illuminated
11:53:16 on-site signs including neon signs shall not produce
11:53:19 more than one foot-candle of illumination four feet
11:53:22 from the sign.
11:53:23 I think really the unknown is, and I don't even think
11:53:26 Mr. Conn or Margo can answer it today, because this has
11:53:30 only been for 48 hours, is the issue of whether or not
11:53:34 those bus shelter signs already meet this requirement,
11:53:37 or don't meet the requirement.
11:53:38 I don't really know which way to go with it.
11:53:41 I'm sort of leaning towards just passing it way it is
11:53:44 right now.
11:53:45 And I commend Mr. Miranda for pointing this out.
11:53:48 Passing it the way it is right now.
11:53:50 And then if the HART and their vendor come back to us
11:53:55 and say, we have measured it and we were not able to
11:53:59 comply, then maybe we'll tweak it up a little bit so
11:54:02 they can comply because -- I think we all want bus
11:54:06 shelters in the community and this is a viable way to
11:54:08 have them.
11:54:08 So my leaning, Miss Saul-Sena, with all due respect, is
11:54:13 go ahead and leave it alone today.
11:54:14 We can always come back and tweak it another day.
11:54:16 But I think there are a lot bigger issues on the table
11:54:21 >>MARY MULHERN: I'd like to hear from Mr. Margo and-
11:54:25 >> If I may, Mr. Chairman and honorable members, on
11:54:28 behalf of HART, we are comfortable with the digital
11:54:31 We are not comfortable with the illumination portion of
11:54:35 that, for the reasons mentioned.
11:54:37 We have not been able to assess that.
11:54:40 And we would have to have an electrical engineer assess
11:54:45 the illumination and we have not had enough time to do
11:54:48 Thank you.
11:54:52 >>MARY MULHERN: I'd like to suggest, as I did earlier,
11:54:55 after of we heard from Mr. Conn, that this just not be
11:54:58 part of this ordinance.
11:54:59 And I will vote to remove it because if they need to do
11:55:04 their research.
11:55:04 And also, I have a question for legal.
11:55:06 We have had the argument made to us for quite a while,
11:55:15 that going forward with allowing digital billboards.
11:55:18 Would help us settle lawsuits.
11:55:25 And because we already were allowing some digital
11:55:29 signs, that was one of the rationals for allowing
11:55:37 digital billboards in the settlement agreement.
11:55:40 Now we are talking about denying HART from using them.
11:55:45 So, even though HART says they don't want them right
11:55:49 now, why would we do that?
11:55:53 >>JULIA COLE: Well, first of all, I was bringing back
11:55:56 as a result of a motion, of what I understood City
11:55:59 Council question to be.
11:56:00 As it relates to the transit shelters and whether or
11:56:03 not they have a right to digital signs or not.
11:56:06 Keep in mind, that the transit shelters were adopted
11:56:09 and advertising as a completely separate idea from
11:56:14 what's in your sign code.
11:56:16 I would argue that given the nature of the way chapter
11:56:19 22 with the transit shelter is drafted, they wouldn't
11:56:22 have had the right to have them anyway.
11:56:24 This does clarify it.
11:56:26 But I would have taken the position if somebody had
11:56:29 asked my legal opinion, that that, given the fact that
11:56:32 it's in a separate section and wholly contains the
11:56:35 standards relating to the transit shelter signs, that's
11:56:37 something that wouldn't have been allowed anyway.
11:56:39 They would have had to amend that section or have
11:56:41 benefit of the electronic signs.
11:56:43 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Then --
11:56:45 >>MARY MULHERN: Then explain to me why we have heard.
11:56:47 And I think people mentioned this at the last meeting
11:56:49 and other discussions, that -- never mind.
11:56:56 I'm going to drop it.
11:56:57 I'm not going to vote for this anyway.
11:56:59 But I think it's -- it's interesting.
11:57:01 But actually, I think if HART is not happy with this,
11:57:06 comfortable with it, we either need to fix it so
11:57:10 they're comfortable or we need to take that out of the
11:57:13 agreement and revisit it.
11:57:14 That part of it.
11:57:16 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Let me say this.
11:57:17 Thank you, Mr. Chairman for the floor.
11:57:18 If you go back in history this is not new.
11:57:20 Back in the late, the middle 70s.
11:57:22 It was either Kodak or Polaroid who wanted to build the
11:57:27 bus shelters and had one panel, only one panel, and
11:57:30 that Council at that time said no.
11:57:32 That doesn't mean this Council can't change that.
11:57:35 I'm not after hard line, but I am one that believes in
11:57:40 If you're going to go after something, then all of it
11:57:43 being be the same.
11:57:44 The billboards are coming down.
11:57:46 Digital's coming up to some degree.
11:57:48 If you measure the two build boards at Hartline that
11:57:52 proposing by this fine company, it is equal to or
11:57:55 greater than the total square footage for these good
11:57:59 citizens are going to sit under to catch the bus.
11:58:02 So I'm saying if you go down the plaza now, want to
11:58:05 build a plaza, you can't build a sign that size.
11:58:08 You got to build the little thing on your building that
11:58:11 says Charlie Miranda's Nut Shop.
11:58:14 [ Laughter ]
11:58:14 You know.
11:58:16 John Dingfelder's barber shop.
11:58:19 So, I'm not trying to be cute.
11:58:20 I'm trying to be fair.
11:58:22 So what I'm saying when I drive by and I've got many
11:58:24 pictures of them.
11:58:25 All of them.
11:58:26 Regular signs, billboard signs, Bart signs, every signs
11:58:33 there is.
11:58:33 Illegal signs.
11:58:34 I'm saying to myself, how fair am I, as an elected
11:58:38 official, to vote on something and give something else
11:58:41 away that is twice the size?
11:58:43 If you are going to pass that penny sales tax, build
11:58:46 your own damn shelters.
11:58:49 They don't have to have all them advertising on it.
11:58:51 They could be lit.
11:58:52 They could be nice.
11:58:53 They could be accommodating.
11:58:55 They could help the bus system.
11:58:57 They can help transit.
11:58:58 They can help T Bart.
11:59:00 They can help all of them.
11:59:02 But we don't.
11:59:02 We leave them dinghy.
11:59:04 I'll show you some on Nebraska avenue that look
11:59:07 Haven't been cleaned.
11:59:10 Nothing's happened.
11:59:10 And then you want me to vote on something like that?
11:59:13 That's not going to happen.
11:59:15 I want fairness, I want equate.
11:59:20 I want the same thing that I offer to Mr. X to have
11:59:24 Mrs. Y have the same opportunity.
11:59:26 >> Thank you.
11:59:27 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Let's move here.
11:59:28 Ms. Vizzi, you want to come forward and Ms. Susan
11:59:32 Rosetti, the people in line to speak and didn't get the
11:59:36 opportunity to speak this morning relative to issue.
11:59:38 I will allow them an opportunity to.
11:59:40 >> Margaret Vizzi, though I did get to speak to it, I
11:59:44 want to clarify that the billboard industry did talk to
11:59:48 Mr. Wilford Johnson before he left.
11:59:50 And was explained what Julia just gave you and the
11:59:55 numbers, because she was giving me so many numbers.
11:59:58 I could not relay them clearly to you.
12:00:02 But, from what I understand now, Dan is going along
12:00:07 with it, as it is.
12:00:09 I hope that the part about the shelter stays in.
12:00:12 And if the lighting needs to be changed, because it
12:00:16 needs to be less than is there.
12:00:19 Then you would change it later.
12:00:21 Thank you.
12:00:22 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Okay, miss Susan Rosetti.
12:00:24 And then I think Councilman Dingfelder said it best.
12:00:28 We need to move the motion.
12:00:29 Then if issue later on with HART, we can always bring
12:00:33 that back.
12:00:34 We need to move.
12:00:35 >> Susan Rosetti, 511 west Cleveland street I'm also
12:00:39 the consultant Florida DOT.
12:00:41 On outdoor advertising matters.
12:00:43 And one of the uses I brought up last time at the
12:00:48 workshop, there does not seem to be any coordination
12:00:52 between the city and the state regarding the signs that
12:00:55 are going to be removed.
12:00:56 And I'm concerned about the city being embroiled in
12:01:01 future litigation if we do not tie the ser run --
12:01:08 surrender of state billboard permits with the signs
12:01:11 that are being removed.
12:01:12 We're talking about public money that may be wasted if
12:01:17 this coordination is not part of this ordinance.
12:01:21 That's it.
12:01:24 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you very much.
12:01:25 Councilman Dingfelder, you want to read the ordinance?
12:01:32 >>MARY MULHERN: I had a question.
12:01:33 Did legal address what she had to say?
12:01:38 >> It's our view that it's not appropriate for the city
12:01:41 to interplace ourselves between a private sign owner
12:01:46 and any permits they have at the state issue.
12:01:48 That will be an issue each sign vendor will have to
12:01:51 address and make sure they are in compliance with both
12:01:54 local law and state law.
12:01:56 >>MARY MULHERN: But the city couldn't talk to the state
12:01:58 about our proposed ordinance and if it will possibly
12:02:06 lead us into some kind of conflict?
12:02:08 You can't talk to the state?
12:02:12 >> We certainly could.
12:02:13 I don't know what our consultation has been, that miss
12:02:16 Cole might have done with FDOT.
12:02:18 But what I heard from the last meeting was the issue
12:02:21 about state billboard permits.
12:02:23 And I think we would have greater risk of having legal
12:02:27 issues if we insert ourselves into the state billboard
12:02:31 licensing process.
12:02:32 Which is a fairly litigious process.
12:02:37 My recommendation is keep the ordinance silent as to
12:02:39 how and when the billboard vendors comply with state
12:02:43 They still have to comply with state law.
12:02:45 Nothing in this ordinance precludes or preempts their
12:02:47 requirement to comply with state law.
12:02:50 They would have to meet the most conservative or
12:02:52 restrictive of both the state and the local standard.
12:02:58 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Okay, Councilman Dingfelder?
12:03:00 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
12:03:02 I will read the ordinance.
12:03:04 I just wanted to say why I'll read this ordinance.
12:03:06 I am not in favor of digital billboards at all.
12:03:09 Frankly, I wish we wouldn't have them in our city.
12:03:11 However, we have been litigating with the billboard
12:03:14 companies for probably a decade.
12:03:16 We have spent hundreds of thousands, maybe even
12:03:20 approaching a million dollars on outside attorney's
12:03:23 fees to litigate with the billboard companies.
12:03:26 And I believe this day has finally come when we can
12:03:29 stop litigating with billboard companies, they're going
12:03:31 to continue to take down billboards and in return will
12:03:34 put up at least today, at the most, a dozen digital
12:03:37 billboards in return.
12:03:38 I think that between the settlement agreements that we
12:03:41 have already passed and this ordinance, I think we can
12:03:46 resolve a lot of this.
12:03:47 And at the same time, we'll protect our neighborhoods.
12:03:50 Because we have gone out of our way to make sure that
12:03:52 these new digital billboards will not be in the
12:03:55 So, with all that said, I'll move the following
12:03:57 ordinance of the City of Tampa.
12:04:00 An ordinance of the City of Tampa, Florida amending
12:04:02 section 20.5-4, words defined, amending section 20.5-7,
12:04:10 allowable signs, permits when required.
12:04:12 Amending section 20.5-11, billboard signs.
12:04:16 Amending section 20.5-12, off-site signs, view
12:04:21 corridors, amending section 20.5-15 prohibited signs
12:04:27 Amending section 22-135, transit shelter advertising.
12:04:31 Repeal parts of ordinances in conflicts there providing
12:04:35 for repeal of all ordinances in conflict, providing for
12:04:36 severability, providing an effective date.
12:04:37 For first reading.
12:04:38 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Moved and second.
12:04:39 Second by Councilman Miranda.
12:04:42 Councilman Saul-Sena.
12:04:43 And then Councilwoman Mulhern.
12:04:46 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Thank you.
12:04:47 I want to congratulate our staff on trying.
12:04:50 However, I think if the city had really wanted to hire
12:04:53 aggressive outside counsel, we could have come up with
12:04:56 something even better.
12:04:57 I think the most responsible thing for the city to do
12:05:00 is to wait until the federal report is issued on the
12:05:04 distraction factor in digital billboards.
12:05:06 I believe they're dangerous.
12:05:08 I have been driving a lot from the county recently.
12:05:10 They are very distracting.
12:05:12 I don't think they're safe.
12:05:13 I don't think they're wise.
12:05:14 And if we do the math that Mr. Miranda was pointing
12:05:17 out, we see that in actuality, we're getting four
12:05:21 billboards down for one, that the other six billboards
12:05:24 are virtual.
12:05:25 Which is to say, invisible.
12:05:27 Which doesn't clean up the visual pollution created by
12:05:32 Based on that, based on the distraction factor in these
12:05:36 LED billboards, I will not be supporting the motion.
12:05:40 >>MARY MULHERN: Yes, I don't think there's any question
12:05:42 of our, what our legal staff, especially Julia, how
12:05:46 much work she's put into this.
12:05:48 And how much volunteer time that the FAN people have
12:05:52 put into this, to really try to make it better for our
12:05:56 But, it doesn't change the fact that we as a city --
12:06:00 City Council are making a major quality of life and
12:06:04 safety decision based on no clear evidence that this is
12:06:10 not a danger.
12:06:11 And there is evidence out there that it is.
12:06:13 And there's major, major national study going on.
12:06:19 So, you know, we're always in litigation, John, as you
12:06:24 Or you wouldn't have a job if everybody wasn't always
12:06:27 suing people.
12:06:28 [ Laughter ]
12:06:29 >>MARY MULHERN: So that's not a basis to make a big
12:06:31 policy decision like this.
12:06:33 And I just want the people -- I don't want the
12:06:37 neighborhoods thinking that I'm not supporting the work
12:06:40 they put into this.
12:06:41 But I think that it's disappointing that we as Council
12:06:45 can't offer you more confidence than that.
12:06:48 That we're going to be looking out for everybody's
12:06:50 interest in the city, not just the people who have the
12:06:53 time to come here and, you know, and spend all this
12:06:57 time negotiating with litigants against the city.
12:07:04 And trying to come up with a policy.
12:07:06 So yes, John, this is a much better than what it could
12:07:09 have been.
12:07:10 But it's still, I don't think -- there's no public
12:07:13 benefit from this decision today.
12:07:14 I don't think there's any urgency about us doing it.
12:07:17 And the least we could do is wait until the studies
12:07:20 come in, which we don't know when they're going to come
12:07:23 But the last thing we heard was sometime this summer.
12:07:26 So, just think, you could have put this off, and you
12:07:30 wouldn't with, you know, put it off long enough, you
12:07:32 wouldn't even have to vote on it.
12:07:37 >>THOMAS SCOTT: And it's always political to sit back
12:07:39 and do nothing.
12:07:40 But it takes a real leader who has been elected to make
12:07:45 sound policies.
12:07:46 In the best interest of the community, given the fact
12:07:50 where we are.
12:07:51 Takes a real person and real leader to do that.
12:07:54 We can always sit back and not do anything.
12:07:56 We're not in the stone ages any more.
12:07:58 We have evolved into technology.
12:08:00 Technology beyond a lot of our minds even to comprehend
12:08:05 in many instances.
12:08:06 We have come to that point.
12:08:08 So as a result of that, we have to create policies and
12:08:11 laws that protect the neighborhood, protect our
12:08:14 citizens, and provide safety for us and for our
12:08:19 I think yes, we're always in litigation, but given the
12:08:24 budgetary constraints that we're in, I'd much rather
12:08:28 spend those dollars for children to go to parks than to
12:08:31 give it to attorneys and the courts to continue to put
12:08:38 in their pockets and to build upon relative to children
12:08:41 going to community parks.
12:08:42 And so, I think Councilman Dingfelder, again, I want to
12:08:46 commend you for coming the other week, last week, week
12:08:50 before last with the suggestion that we start out on
12:08:53 the small scale, come back in two years and look at it
12:08:56 We have to do something.
12:08:57 I believe that this is appropriate.
12:08:59 And you know, at some point, as elected officials, we
12:09:04 got to stop passing the buck.
12:09:06 Got to stand and make sound policy and decision.
12:09:09 That's the benefit for the total community.
12:09:11 I think that the total community benefits from this.
12:09:14 With that, there's a motion on the floor.
12:09:16 Been moved and second.
12:09:17 All in favor say -- yes, all in favor signify by segue
12:09:27 >> Motion carried with Mulhern and Saul-Sena voting no.
12:09:30 Second reading of the ordinance will be held May the
12:09:32 20th at 9:30 a.m.
12:09:34 >>THOMAS SCOTT: I have to leave.
12:09:37 On item 13 that was pulled by Councilwoman Mulhern.
12:09:40 You want to address that?
12:09:41 But I have to leave.
12:09:42 We'll reconvene at 1:30.
12:09:46 Then we'll pick up the other items that we have that
12:09:49 we're way behind on.
12:09:51 >>MARY MULHERN: Miss Palus, I guess first question is
12:09:53 how come you're explaining this to us?
12:09:55 Because it's not really clear why -- what this is.
12:10:01 Why we're doing this.
12:10:03 >> Miss Mulhern, I can explain it.
12:10:07 But it is a parks issue primarily.
12:10:12 That's why I asked Miss Palus to be here.
12:10:14 It's an umbrella agreement that creates a framework for
12:10:17 what I would refer to as joint use of both school board
12:10:20 and city park property for recreational activities.
12:10:24 >>MARY MULHERN: This is a huge, huge policy decision.
12:10:26 And we don't know anything about what this umbrella is
12:10:29 going to allow.
12:10:30 I mean, you're talking about trading uses of school
12:10:35 board and city land.
12:10:36 There's going to be -- financial?
12:10:42 >> I can let Miss Palus get into those deals.
12:10:47 I can tell you what it is not.
12:10:49 We have some that are not covered, where we would make
12:10:52 exclusive use ever city property to a school for a
12:10:55 playground and say fence it off and it's just part of
12:10:57 the school.
12:10:58 >>MARY MULHERN: You know what?
12:10:59 We don't have time.
12:11:00 I think we need to continue this for an actual, this
12:11:04 needs to be on the agenda so we can hear what you're
12:11:06 asking us to approve.
12:11:09 >> It's actually renewal of an existing agreement with
12:11:12 existing exchange of uses.
12:11:14 We could, this afternoon --
12:11:18 >>MARY MULHERN: A renewal?
12:11:21 >> Ongoing for many years.
12:11:23 >>GWEN MILLER: Miss Mulhern?
12:11:26 >>MARY MULHERN: Bring it back at 1:30.
12:11:27 If it was a renewal, I wouldn't have pulled it.
12:11:32 >> It's superseding --
12:11:35 >>GWEN MILLER: We'll be back at 1:30.
12:11:36 We are in recess until 1:30.
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[ ROLL CALL ]
13:36:18 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Okay.
13:36:19 One item to hold up till the mayor comes before us.
13:36:21 On item 75 that is a requested continuance.
13:36:26 If we could dispose of that one item, then we'll bring
13:36:28 the mayor.
13:36:29 Item 75.
13:36:30 Item 75.
13:36:32 This is the Port Authority asking for continues answer
13:36:34 on to vacate.
13:36:35 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I believe, Mr. Chairman, they are
13:36:38 requesting, and staff is here for that, the 24th of
13:36:42 June, 1:30 in the afternoon.
13:36:45 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Let's open the public hearing.
13:36:47 >>MARTIN SHELBY: It's continued.
13:36:49 >>GWEN MILLER: Move to continue.
13:36:50 >> Second.
13:36:52 >>MARTIN SHELBY: June 24th at 1:30.
13:36:56 >>GWEN MILLER: At 1:30 p.m.
13:36:57 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Anyone who wants to speak to this
13:37:00 Motion, moved and seconded.
13:37:03 All in favor?
13:37:04 Thank you.
13:37:05 Mayor, we have the honorable Pam Iorio, mayor of the
13:37:09 City of Tampa is going to come forward at this time.
13:37:10 >>MAYOR IORIO: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
13:37:12 The item before you is the distribution of the
13:37:16 transportation surtax.
13:37:17 This local agreement is going before the Board of
13:37:19 County Commissioners on May 13th in conjunction
13:37:23 where the ordinance that would place the one percent
13:37:29 surtax on the ballot for this November.
13:37:31 The ordinance and the interlocal agreement has been
13:37:34 traveling together, as they have been moving towards
13:37:37 BOCC approval.
13:37:38 Let me start by first of all thanking Councilwoman
13:37:42 Miller and Chairman Scott for serving on the
13:37:44 Hillsborough County transportation task force.
13:37:48 It is because of the work of that task force that we
13:37:50 have really gotten as far as we have and are at the
13:37:54 point that we are ready to place an issue before the
13:37:57 Let me also thank all the members who sit on the MPO
13:38:01 because they too have been extremely supportive in
13:38:03 moving this issue forward.
13:38:05 And, of course, councilman Dingfelder sits on Hart so
13:38:09 collectively everyone who has worked really hard to
13:38:11 bring this issue to fruition.
13:38:14 This interlocal agreement that Chip Fletcher will go
13:38:18 over the specifics of it but the main point of it has
13:38:21 been how do we distribute the 25% of the penny that
13:38:23 will go for roads and bridges?
13:38:27 We have developed a formula in conjunction with the
13:38:30 cities of Temple Terrace and Plant City that we feel is
13:38:34 fair and addresses the issues of road inadequacies
13:38:38 which are mainly in the unincorporated part of the
13:38:41 When you really look at the entire map of what needs to
13:38:43 be accomplished in terms of where the transit is going,
13:38:47 where that investment is going, versus the road
13:38:50 investment, we came to an agreement that I think really
13:38:53 reflects the fair situation in the long run.
13:38:56 I really want to thank our partners in Temple Terrace
13:39:00 and Plant City.
13:39:00 We all sat together and hashed out this interlocal
13:39:04 agreement, and of course along with the county.
13:39:06 So this interlocal agreement reflects the partnership
13:39:09 between the City of Tampa, Temple Terrace, Plant City,
13:39:13 Hart, and Hillsborough County.
13:39:20 The request requests each municipality discuss the
13:39:22 interlocal so when they address it on May 13th they
13:39:25 will have hopefully approvals from all three
13:39:29 Chip will now go over the interlocal and I am going to
13:39:31 stay and be able to answer any questions that you have.
13:39:35 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you.
13:39:35 >>CHARLES FLETCHER: City attorney.
13:39:39 As the mayor indicated, this would be an interlocal
13:39:41 agreement between the City of Tampa, city of Temple
13:39:44 Terrace, city of Plant City, Hillsborough County, and
13:39:48 the Hillsborough transit authority, better known as
13:39:52 It would be contingent on the implementation of the
13:39:55 transit surtax that the mayor referenced.
13:40:00 The Board of County Commissioners is considering an
13:40:02 ordinance to place it on the ballot.
13:40:04 On May 13th.
13:40:07 The key elements.
13:40:07 Agreement are that 75% would be dedicated for transit,
13:40:11 25% is dedicated for nontransit, and by statute
13:40:16 nontransit is defined as roads and bridges.
13:40:20 For the first roughly ten years until September of
13:40:24 2020, 90% of that 25% would be dedicated for the
13:40:29 transportation task force projects as updated by the
13:40:33 Board of County Commissioners, and then after that
13:40:37 roughly ten-year period until those projects are
13:40:40 complete, 40% would be dedicated to those projects.
13:40:43 So there is an emphasis on getting those projects done
13:40:46 quickly while still retaining some funds for other
13:40:50 projects to be utilized by the county and the cities
13:40:54 for roads and bridges.
13:40:55 After that process is complete, and those
13:41:00 transportation task force projects are completed, the
13:41:02 distribution would be very similar to the community
13:41:07 investment tax formula which is based more or less on
13:41:09 population and is adjusted annually based on population
13:41:13 between the cities and the county.
13:41:17 The 75% for transit is dedicated to Hart used to fund
13:41:21 the rapid transit investment plan, that is a plan
13:41:24 that's been adopted by Hart and presented to the Board
13:41:28 of County Commissioners.
13:41:29 That management of the funds for the transit plan would
13:41:34 be reviewed, and there would be an oversight process
13:41:41 that the cities and county would be part of but the
13:41:43 ultimate decision on how to spend those funds and how
13:41:47 to do the projects are vested with the Hart board, so
13:41:50 they will have the authority to develop the plan, and
13:41:54 then the plan after potentially a public hearing, and
13:41:56 ultimately get those projects done.
13:42:03 There are a number of accountability provisions.
13:42:05 Each year, each of the parties that use the funds will
13:42:07 be required to prepare and distribute an accountability
13:42:12 There will also be an Oversight Committee that is made
13:42:14 up of citizens with backgrounds in public sector
13:42:17 finance, private sector finance, and transportation
13:42:20 that will be appointed either by the city, three by
13:42:26 Tampa, three by Hart, three by Hillsborough County and
13:42:29 one each by Plant City and Temple Terrace.
13:42:32 There's also a provision to ensure that there is a
13:42:34 mechanism for regional connectivity.
13:42:38 Ultimately the goal is to have a regional system with
13:42:39 connections with other counties and other cities, and
13:42:44 there is in section 7 of the agreement, it provides for
13:42:47 And then finally amendment or termination of the
13:42:50 agreement would only be done by all the parties.
13:42:56 Individual parties could not decide to opt out.
13:42:57 The only exception to that is that the 25%
13:43:00 distribution, which distributes funds between the
13:43:03 county and municipalities, the county and
13:43:05 municipalities can amend that without the consent of
13:43:09 Hart, as heart would not be affected by those changes.
13:43:11 So essentially those are the key elements of the
13:43:16 If you have any questions, I would be happy to
13:43:17 entertain them at this time.
13:43:18 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Councilwoman Saul-Sena, then
13:43:25 Councilwoman Mulhern.
13:43:27 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: At our MPO meeting the other day
13:43:29 some of the council members left early because of the
13:43:32 fire chief, but I made a motion and it was pad passed
13:43:35 unanimously by the MPO to support this transportation
13:43:39 The unanimous vote by the Hillsborough MPO which I
13:43:42 thought was very good.
13:43:46 >>> And I would Haute the Hart board already a proved
13:43:53 the agreement and I believe the other authorities will
13:43:55 >>MARY MULHERN: I'm sorry.
13:43:59 I just had a chance to look at the agreement.
13:44:01 The citizen Oversight Committee, is that for the 75%
13:44:08 for the transit part?
13:44:09 >>> The whole --
13:44:10 >>MARY MULHERN: For everything?
13:44:12 >>> Yes.
13:44:15 >>MARY MULHERN: But will our 25% road and bridge
13:44:17 portion, do they have oversight over that, too?
13:44:23 >>CHARLES FLETCHER: The focus is on the transit piece,
13:44:24 and we would expect that to be their primary focus.
13:44:26 The reports are from all of the agencies.
13:44:30 >>MARY MULHERN: Okay.
13:44:30 So I'm wondering about the appointments.
13:44:41 >>> There are three by the City of Tampa.
13:44:43 >>MARY MULHERN: What does that mean?
13:44:44 Does the council appoint them or does the mayor?
13:44:49 >>> The cities appoint through their chief executives.
13:44:50 By the way this is written today by the mayor.
13:44:54 >>MARY MULHERN: Right.
13:44:55 You have achieve executive.
13:44:57 The county has a commission.
13:44:58 So the commission appoints theirs for their
13:45:03 >>> I would have to look.
13:45:04 I believe that it's the executive, but I will refer to
13:45:09 that section.
13:45:14 >>MARY MULHERN: I don't know.
13:45:15 It would be nice if council could --
13:45:18 >>THOMAS SCOTT: In the past the commission made all
13:45:23 the appointments and the mayor would make it for the
13:45:24 City of Tampa and the executive for the other
13:45:25 The commission would make appointments.
13:45:27 >>> That's correct.
13:45:30 >>THOMAS SCOTT: I'm just telling you how it worked in
13:45:32 the past.
13:45:33 I don't know if they changed since I have been gone.
13:45:37 That's how it worked.
13:45:37 >>MARY MULHERN: I'm sorry, I don't understand, because
13:45:39 this is for the new referendum on transit.
13:45:46 >>THOMAS SCOTT: I understand that.
13:45:47 I thought your question was who appoints the
13:45:50 representatives, and wanted the county commission to do
13:45:54 the appointing for their three and I was saying --
13:45:57 >>MARY MULHERN: Oh, and the county.
13:45:59 >>THOMAS SCOTT: The county commission would make those
13:46:02 >>MARY MULHERN: Then my question for us on council is
13:46:04 maybe the council could appoint one representative and
13:46:09 the mayor could appoint two or something.
13:46:14 We don't have any input on this.
13:46:15 I feel like we have been really, really removed from
13:46:18 this process, and it's going to -- we are going to be
13:46:22 creating -- and all the transportation.
13:46:29 >>> If I may offer.
13:46:31 For instance, item Temple Terrace, also this is through
13:46:35 set up through their chief executive.
13:46:38 My understanding is they are internally discussing
13:46:40 whether to by resolution, or create a different
13:46:43 appointment process, which is something certainly could
13:46:46 be done down the road.
13:46:48 We could internally construct how the appointments
13:46:50 would be made.
13:46:51 But this agreement has the municipality executives
13:46:56 >>MARY MULHERN: Right.
13:46:58 That's why I am bringing it up.
13:47:00 I wanted to point out to council if there was anybody
13:47:02 else that council would like to have some input on
13:47:04 these appointments, I would support that.
13:47:06 >>THOMAS SCOTT: I believe, if I am not mistaken -- and
13:47:09 I stand to be corrected -- those appointments would
13:47:12 have to come through council, as has been done in the
13:47:14 past, the appointments that are made, generally vote
13:47:17 on, approved by council.
13:47:18 Am I mistaken on that?
13:47:20 >>> Some of them are.
13:47:25 Some of them are not.
13:47:26 I think it varies by the special acts.
13:47:28 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: On Ms. Mulhern's point, I think,
13:47:38 Chip, if you want to look at that by resolution.
13:47:41 I think sometimes the mayor appoints people.
13:47:44 Sometimes it comes to us for ratification before they
13:47:48 are formally placed on there.
13:47:49 And I think that might be the best approach.
13:47:51 The mayor can select them, whoever the mayor being down
13:47:56 the road, but that would be subject to council
13:47:58 ratification or approval.
13:48:00 I think that's reasonable.
13:48:02 Then the bigger picture, Madam Mayor, pleased you're
13:48:09 here today and pleased you are representing this to us.
13:48:12 As your representative on Hart I was pleased we
13:48:14 approved this unanimously for Monday and I believe it's
13:48:16 moving forward across all the jurisdictions.
13:48:19 As we were working on this over the last year or two I
13:48:23 think one of the most important things to the community
13:48:25 is fiscal and financial accountability.
13:48:27 And I'm very pleased that actually we are going to have
13:48:31 two different oversight committees that are going to be
13:48:34 watching the money, in addition to all the different
13:48:38 elected officials, and that would include the citizens
13:48:43 group, the citizens task force.
13:48:46 It's very important as well as the -- what is it
13:48:51 called, the Hart Finance Committee, which will be made
13:48:54 up of members of selected from various jurisdictions to
13:49:00 be looking over Hart's shoulder, because Hart will be
13:49:04 spending 75% of this money.
13:49:05 On buses and on the new rail system.
13:49:08 And the other thing I wanted to stress was the fact
13:49:10 that the third component of this, in addition to the
13:49:14 multimodal buses and rail is the fact that 25% of this
13:49:19 money that's going to amount to hundreds of millions of
13:49:22 dollars will be for road and intersection improvements.
13:49:25 And I think that gets lost in this discussion.
13:49:28 You know, we have talked about the transportation needs
13:49:31 in this community long before anybody ever started
13:49:35 talking about rail or what have you.
13:49:37 The transportation needs in this community include
13:49:40 roads and intersections.
13:49:42 And we are not forgetting about that.
13:49:44 And that will be hundreds of millions of dollars that
13:49:48 are going to be generated from this one penny sales tax
13:49:49 over 20 years.
13:49:50 And so I hope that the community gets that and
13:49:54 understands that as we move forward.
13:49:56 But I'm wholly in support of this.
13:49:59 Thank you, Madam Mayor.
13:50:01 >>THOMAS SCOTT: One clarification.
13:50:02 It's not over 20 years.
13:50:03 It's actually in perpetuity.
13:50:06 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I was just saying the amount of
13:50:08 money, if we look at the small window.
13:50:10 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you.
13:50:10 Councilwoman Mulhern.
13:50:13 >>MARY MULHERN: I don't feel like I need to approve
13:50:14 the mayor's appointees.
13:50:16 I would just like council to have some input, because I
13:50:20 feel like I don't want to take that away from the
13:50:25 Whoever the mayor will be.
13:50:29 Especially because 75% of this is going toward transit
13:50:32 if it should pass.
13:50:35 The part that people are going to be voting to approve
13:50:38 is going to be in the City of Tampa.
13:50:39 So our citizens, our constituents, stand to gain from
13:50:48 this and to be effect affected by it.
13:50:51 I would just like council to have at least one
13:50:55 appointee but I'm done.
13:50:57 Otherwise, if I don't have any support for that, I
13:50:59 think I'm very thrilled with this.
13:51:02 I think it's great.
13:51:02 And I appreciate all the work that the mayor has put
13:51:05 into this, and that my colleagues have on Hart, and on
13:51:09 the MPO, and myself on the MPO.
13:51:11 And I think it's great news.
13:51:18 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Well, thank you, mayor, for being here.
13:51:22 And I think you put in a lot of work, a lot of hard
13:51:25 work, and of course we attended all the task force
13:51:30 meetings, have been at the workshops as well, but this
13:51:34 is in line with what you have been working hard on, and
13:51:37 with the other partners, and so I think to approve this
13:51:42 as is sends a message also to county commissioners we
13:51:45 want to move forward.
13:51:46 And so I wil