TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
Thursday, June 17, 2010
5:30 p.m. Session
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17:37:09 [Roll Call Taken]
17:37:19 >>GWEN MILLER: We need to open the public hearing.
17:37:20 >> So moved.
17:37:20 >> Second.
17:37:24 >>GWEN MILLER: All those in favor signify by aye.
17:37:27 Opposed, nay.
17:37:30 Staff report.
17:37:31 >> Hi, good evening, Council.
17:37:35 Dennis Rehara, Revenue and Finance Department.
17:37:37 If I can have the presentation on screen, please.
17:37:39 I believe you all have received copies of the agenda
17:37:40 and the presentation.
17:37:42 >>GWEN MILLER: Yes, we have.
17:37:46 >> Let me walk you through that real quick.
17:37:49 The purpose of this public hearing is provide
17:37:54 information of the proposed statement of housing
17:37:56 development action plan and obtain the views and
17:38:00 comments of citizens concerning the plan, and provide
17:38:07 the public opportunity -- pardon me -- to be heard.
17:38:09 I will go over with you the calendar first.
17:38:12 You see on your screen, the calendar for the fiscal
17:38:15 year 2012 action plan, public approval and funding
17:38:18 application process and the time frame.
17:38:24 The CDBG Advisory Committee meeting of June 2010 took
17:38:27 We are here at the public hearing tonight.
17:38:27 Pardon me.
17:38:30 The City Council approval of the proposed action plan
17:38:34 is anticipated July 29, 2010.
17:38:37 The submission of the action plan is anticipated on
17:38:39 August 11.
17:38:45 And the fiscal year 2011 begins on October 1.
17:38:48 This is part of the Housing and Urban Development's
17:38:50 requirements for the yearly action plan.
17:38:52 We are required to do one public hearing.
17:38:55 The City of Tampa actually does two.
17:38:56 This is our second.
17:38:59 There are four quarterly meetings of the CDBG Advisory
17:39:03 Committee and the budget office, housing and community
17:39:05 development, community affairs, and neighborhood
17:39:08 services are represented at all of them.
17:39:12 The public notice went out June 9 with 30 days for
17:39:16 public comment as the time frame.
17:39:22 Here is a summation of the HUD grant funding.
17:39:25 You see on the right, the fiscal year, next fiscal
17:39:28 year, the Community Development Block Grant of just
17:39:32 over $4 million of which 15% of that is public service
17:39:35 funds or just under $600,000.
17:39:42 Program income and prereprogrammed funds at $218,000 --
17:39:48 Home Partnership at just under $2.2 million.
17:39:52 The emergency shelter grants program at just under
17:39:57 The housing opportunities for persons with A.I.D.S. at
17:40:03 just over $3.7 million for a total of $10.3 million and
17:40:06 some change.
17:40:10 HUD program uses are on the next slide.
17:40:13 Housing programs and Housing Opportunities for Persons
17:40:16 with A.I.D.S. contain the bulk of the money.
17:40:19 Housing programs at just under $3.2 million, the
17:40:25 housing authority, JL Young and Mary Bethune at half a
17:40:29 Public services again at just under $600,000.
17:40:33 The emergency shelter services at $156,000 and a half.
17:40:37 Housing opportunities for persons with A.I.D.S., $2.8
17:40:41 million and a little bit of change, capital improvement
17:40:43 projects at just under $316,000.
17:40:46 General administration which are your true overhead
17:40:51 costs for operating this program at just under $516,000
17:40:57 and housing administration, $1.27 million.
17:41:02 Again for total of $10.3 million and some change.
17:41:05 Under the Public Services section, third from the
17:41:10 bottom, just under $600,000, there were 30 applicants
17:41:15 and 28 awarded under this process.
17:41:18 The next slide.
17:41:19 Needs and recommendations.
17:41:23 Initial responses were mailed last month.
17:41:26 Mr. Randy Baron, Vice President of the Advisory
17:41:31 Committee will get up here to say a few words,and we
17:41:33 will open it up for public comments.
17:41:36 City advisory members are here, and we distributed the
17:41:38 needs and recommendations, responses to the members and
17:41:41 to you all at City Council.
17:41:45 Before I turn over to Mr. Baron, I would like to say in
17:41:49 the needs and recommendation packet, there are still
17:41:51 some responses that we are awaiting responses for and
17:41:55 as soon as we get those, we will get them out to you
17:41:58 all in the CDBG Advisory Committee.
17:42:01 If you have any questions for me?
17:42:03 >>GWEN MILLER: No.
17:42:08 Mr. Baron.
17:42:09 >> Thank you.
17:42:10 Good evening, Council.
17:42:14 Randy Baron, Vice-chair of the CDBG Advisory Committee.
17:42:17 I was going to go over the city-wide needs and
17:42:19 recommendations and then I am going to invite anyone
17:42:21 who submitted an individual need from an individual
17:42:25 block to come up and make any comments if necessary.
17:42:28 This year we had nine citywide needs and
17:42:32 We went over them with you -- I am sorry, ten.
17:42:35 We went over them with you at our first hearing so I am
17:42:37 just going to go over a couple of responses.
17:42:40 The first one was the homeless outreach program which
17:42:42 is something -- this is our second year that we have
17:42:44 placed this in the citywide needs.
17:42:46 As you can see from the response, there was some money
17:42:54 awarded to the homeless coalition for rehabbing an
17:42:56 existing two-story building, but the response from the
17:43:01 city is that they need to use the RFP submission
17:43:07 process in order to get CDBG dollars.
17:43:11 The drainage ditches, this is something that -- that
17:43:14 was included because a lot of our older neighborhoods
17:43:16 with the drainage ditches in them are expressing a lot
17:43:20 of concern that they are just filled up and not -- that
17:43:23 they are not -- that they are overflowing.
17:43:25 We initially had contacted the city to see whether or
17:43:30 not they could actually cover those ditches and got --
17:43:32 said that the money was really not available for that.
17:43:34 And then we submitted about cleaning the drainage
17:43:37 ditches and the response is that there is a program in
17:43:41 place to -- there is a schedule in place to go
17:43:43 throughout ditches and to clean them out.
17:43:46 So as that program progresses, hopefully those ditches
17:43:50 will be made useful again.
17:43:55 Number three is the traffic calming citywide request,
17:43:59 which was basically to look at different methodologies
17:44:02 for traffic calming and see whether the city can do
17:44:12 There was a response -- the response was initially that
17:44:17 -- that outside things such as trip generator, such as
17:44:23 schools and parks, et cetera, do have an impact on the
17:44:26 -- on determining what areas are necessary for traffic
17:44:29 calming; however, those factors are not weighted.
17:44:34 And, again, we would encourage City Council and the
17:44:39 administration to come up with a way to weigh such
17:44:42 outside factors such as proximity to schools, proximity
17:44:46 to parks, whether there is a sidewalk in an objective
17:44:49 way so when the city is -- when the city is using money
17:44:51 on traffic calming that those monies are spent in areas
17:44:54 that really need them and can provide the most
17:44:59 pedestrian safety.
17:45:02 Number four was the Party in the Park.
17:45:06 For those who have been to the Party in the Parks, they
17:45:08 are wonderful events.
17:45:11 They allow the firemen and the policemen to get
17:45:12 together with the kids.
17:45:16 I have been to one of those and a phenomenal process.
17:45:19 We start off with I think three a couple of years ago
17:45:21 in year it is down.
17:45:23 And the city is committed to one party in the park.
17:45:26 Again the CDBG committee would encourage the city to
17:45:30 maintain the least one Party in the Park every year.
17:45:32 It is a great project.
17:45:34 Number five --
17:45:37 >>MARY MULHERN: Randy, can you -- I am sorry, do we
17:45:39 have something to follow -- can you tell me where this
17:45:41 is if we want to follow along with this?
17:45:44 >> The citywide needs and recommendations that should
17:45:47 be in your packet.
17:45:48 >>MARY MULHERN: In here?
17:45:51 >> Yes, if you turn -- flip the page, the first section
17:45:55 should the citywide request and should start off with
17:45:57 -- page 1 here.
17:46:00 >>MARY MULHERN: All this long text?
17:46:00 >> Yes.
17:46:02 >>MARY MULHERN: Okay.
17:46:05 >> The one that starts at the top page.
17:46:07 Hopefully I am summarizing it enough that you don't
17:46:12 have to read all that long text.
17:46:15 City codes and outreach, there was no response.
17:46:19 Nor for number 6, the implementation of the foreclosed
17:46:22 property registry, there was also no response from the
17:46:26 Mr. Rehara says we will be getting those shortly.
17:46:28 Connected communities.
17:46:33 This was the -- based upon the world cafe and stat that
17:46:36 took place a couple years ago or within the last 18
17:46:39 months, and the city essentially said there were other
17:46:43 outlets to get the kind of public input or the world
17:46:46 cafe, and, therefore, they would not recommend that
17:46:51 funds and staffing for the royal cafe meetings.
17:46:55 Number 8, Hillsborough Avenue beautification.
17:46:58 This was a recommendation that we had because East
17:47:01 Tampa -- Hillsborough Avenue is the gateway into East
17:47:04 Tampa, the east-west gateway into East Tampa, and what
17:47:07 we are hoping is that there could be funds that were
17:47:11 expended to make that a more inviting gateway into that
17:47:16 This need and recommendation was -- was forwarded to
17:47:20 Transportation planning, and that essentially said
17:47:22 there is no money to do that.
17:47:25 It is an FDOT road; however, I think it needs to be
17:47:31 rerouted to somebody in the city, Mark Huey, Ed Johnson
17:47:33 have someone in economic development, because this is
17:47:34 really an economic development issue.
17:47:36 It is not a transportation issue.
17:47:39 The idea is to make people want to come down
17:47:42 Hillsborough Avenue once you cross, you know, 15th and
17:47:45 22nd as you are headed east.
17:47:48 And hopefully there can be a program that can make that
17:47:52 gateway into that part of town more inviting.
17:47:57 On number 9, the anti-litter initiative.
17:48:00 Again the response is that -- that there is a program
17:48:04 in the wings; however, they need funding support in
17:48:07 order to implement that program, and finally, number
17:48:15 ten, is citywide recycling campaign.
17:48:18 And the city essentially says that they support the
17:48:20 recycling campaign.
17:48:22 We are curious as to what the recycling rate is in the
17:48:23 City of Tampa.
17:48:27 The CDBG committee hopefully will get that response
17:48:28 back from the city.
17:48:32 So those are the citywide needs and recommendations.
17:48:36 We have -- we had many individual needs and
17:48:38 recommendations requests from individual communities.
17:48:41 And I am going to invite them up now if they want to
17:48:43 speak to those individual needs and requests.
17:48:47 I am going to start, however, since Frank Roter
17:48:50 generally is up here doing this instead of me and does
17:48:53 a much better job than I am doing.
17:48:56 He can't be with us tonight but he is also the chair
17:49:01 for his area, southeast Seminole Heights, and they had
17:49:06 individual need and recommendation to get some money
17:49:10 for Giddens Park and some -- and to fix the community
17:49:11 center there.
17:49:16 And since I have been on CDBG, that request has come in
17:49:17 every single year.
17:49:18 Every single year it comes in.
17:49:20 Every single year they ask for it.
17:49:23 I have been on the committee for seven or eight years
17:49:25 And so they will keep on trying.
17:49:28 the response is that there are other areas throughout
17:49:31 the city and neighboring -- in neighboring
17:49:34 neighborhoods that could be used for community center
17:49:38 for southeast Seminole Heights, and misses the point,
17:49:41 the point is that there is a building there that can be
17:49:45 It needs to be rehabbed, and, therefore, they will
17:49:49 continue asking for money until hopefully the city can
17:49:53 take some funds to rehab that building so people don't
17:49:56 have to go from outside that community to use a
17:49:57 community center.
17:50:00 That I will invite anyone from the individual blocks
17:50:02 who want to come up.
17:50:07 Say what block you are representing, and what project.
17:50:11 >> Good morning, Spencer Cass, Block 9.
17:50:14 Once again I am here a year later.
17:50:15 Once again on friendship park.
17:50:18 A year ago, I came before Council and asked that
17:50:21 Friendship Park be funded to make it fully handicapped
17:50:24 accessible for children.
17:50:25 It is now a year.
17:50:29 There have not been these community meetings that the
17:50:31 Park and Rec Department talked about.
17:50:33 These grand meetings with all these people coming
17:50:37 Spoken to some people in the neighborhood, and they
17:50:39 painted the building, but that isn't what was asked
17:50:42 What was asked for is that the park be made fully
17:50:47 handicapped accessible.
17:50:50 At this point, what I would like that Council order
17:50:53 that $1 million be placed aside for that project.
17:50:55 You don't have to worry today about where the money is
17:50:56 going to come from.
17:50:58 I can tell you I can find you plenty of sources for the
17:51:01 I can tell you right now there is a half a million
17:51:05 dollars extra left over from Zack Street.
17:51:07 Last year you approved funding for Zack Street.
17:51:09 You took $1 million away from that.
17:51:13 You were told by staff it would take $1 million to do
17:51:13 that street.
17:51:16 It didn't cost $1 million.
17:51:18 It cost half a million and a half a million.
17:51:21 Staff is looking to reappropriate that themselves
17:51:23 without coming before Council, but that money can go
17:51:25 directly into that park.
17:51:30 I am not just here on behalf of that park, Sunset Park
17:51:32 is joining us on the request last year and this year.
17:51:34 We have a lot of kids who use it.
17:51:36 It is used for the summer program.
17:51:36 A teeny building.
17:51:38 You can't walk into the buildings.
17:51:40 It is impossible for children to play there.
17:51:43 So all I am asking that Council direct staff to include
17:51:46 that as a funding source and to fund it.
17:51:50 Also just as a second -- as the East Tampa land use
17:51:53 committee Chairman, I just put that hat on for a
17:51:58 second, we would also like to see Hillsborough Avenue
17:52:03 D.O.T. went and put in those concrete horrible-looking,
17:52:06 you know, separators down the center of the street
17:52:08 where -- it would have been nice if they did it with
17:52:10 trees and landscape like the rest of the city gets, the
17:52:14 city is spending a lot of money in terms of the CRA in
17:52:14 that area.
17:52:18 I think there needs -- the CRA in that area.
17:52:21 I think there needs to be a more look into that.
17:52:25 If Council can look into that, I would appreciate it.
17:52:31 >> Sheri Simons, President of the Southeast Civic
17:52:34 I will keep this brief because Randy already said it
17:52:36 and he didn't know I was coming.
17:52:39 We are accustomed to not finding answers to our
17:52:44 And this -- I don't mean it is a blame thing, it means
17:52:48 I don't expect anybody can ever -- it is a wish list,
17:52:51 and we know we are not going to get half of what we
17:52:56 wish for, but to be told that what we knew was true was
17:52:58 not and to be dismissed, and I am speaking about the
17:53:00 community center.
17:53:04 We have asked for probably six years in a row.
17:53:07 This isn't the only place we asked.
17:53:08 Certainly we are active.
17:53:11 Certainly we used that little place we have.
17:53:13 I am not saying that I am looking for to you give me
17:53:17 one or to approve it, but to be told that you are being
17:53:20 dismissed and go find someplace outside your
17:53:22 neighborhood is unacceptable and that's all I am going
17:53:24 on record to say.
17:53:26 It is an unacceptable answer to us.
17:53:28 And we are disappointed.
17:53:35 That's it.
17:53:42 >> I am Wes Wisenberger from Block Grant 5.
17:53:44 What I would like to mention to you are just two
17:53:47 I was speaking with Bob Allen.
17:53:49 He is not able to come here because of health reasons,
17:53:50 our President.
17:53:54 We had drainage pipes -- there was a plan with a
17:53:57 drainage pipes going from Cass and Fremont all the way
17:53:58 to the river.
17:54:01 That project was approved, and then all of a sudden
17:54:03 that whole thing stopped and the funding went
17:54:06 We would like to know where the money went.
17:54:10 The other thing is the calming devices on Albany.
17:54:13 That project -- we went through process where it was
17:54:18 approved, and we were, you know, pleased that this was
17:54:19 moving forward, the money was there and everything
17:54:25 Again that project was stopped the money was removed
17:54:27 and transferred elsewhere.
17:54:29 We would like really where did the money go to.
17:54:32 The third and final thing, this Villa Park situation is
17:54:34 personal to me because I live in that community.
17:54:36 I have lived there 20 years.
17:54:42 And it is the response from the city we asked there
17:54:44 would be some type of planning the future for
17:54:50 facilities so the people in the community -- so that we
17:54:52 as a civic association could plan something.
17:54:54 We could plan group picnics.
17:55:01 We could plan community activities there and the
17:55:04 response was we have no plans to put type of bathroom
17:55:08 facilities into that project, into that park, the one
17:55:10 on Armenia, Villa.
17:55:12 My question is, why not?
17:55:15 This is not a place just to walk your dog and it is
17:55:18 just not a place for a few children to be out playing
17:55:24 This is a community park that we should be able to use.
17:55:28 I wish we had some funding some way, some type of
17:55:31 facilities that could be set up for the people who can
17:55:36 come there instead of having to go several blocks home
17:55:39 to -- to their homes where we are having a function.
17:55:42 All I am asking in the future plan for facilities for
17:55:43 all parks.
17:55:46 All parks should be provided with that type of thing,
17:55:48 that, to me, is simple request.
17:55:58 Thank you very much.
17:56:01 >> Anyone else here for an individual block request?
17:56:05 Okay, City Councilmembers.
17:56:07 Thank you for listening and hopefully you will consider
17:56:12 the request made both to the responses to our citywide
17:56:15 requests and individual requests.
17:56:17 >>GWEN MILLER: Miss Saul-Sena.
17:56:18 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Thank you.
17:56:23 Mr. Baron, Kennedy Boulevard is a state road, and we
17:56:25 after only 20 years of working on it managed to get
17:56:29 some additional landscaping and some landscape medians
17:56:32 and some countdown lights and things.
17:56:33 It wasn't 20 years.
17:56:35 Honestly it was 24 years.
17:56:38 But, you know, we -- it finally happened which proves
17:56:41 that you can do things like that on state roads.
17:56:44 And I think that Hillsborough, because of the
17:56:47 attention, you know, being paid to the redevelopment of
17:56:50 the neighborhoods on both sides of it is certainly a
17:56:52 worthy goal.
17:56:53 >> I would hope that would be something that people
17:56:56 could look at and hopefully it won't take 24 years.
17:56:58 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Hopefully it won't.
17:57:00 >> Kennedy is looking beautiful, and I know it is
17:57:03 helping generate economic development along that
17:57:08 And east Hillsborough is an avenue that needs a lot of
17:57:09 economic development.
17:57:12 And let's hope it doesn't take 24 years.
17:57:14 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Well, the neighborhood, the
17:57:16 Seminole Heights neighborhood came together, organized
17:57:19 articulately, and got the most beautiful brick wall
17:57:21 along a portion of Hillsborough.
17:57:24 That is to the west that you are talking about to the
17:57:27 So we need to continue quality.
17:57:28 Thank you.
17:57:28 >> Thank you.
17:57:30 >>GWEN MILLER: Miss Mulhern.
17:57:32 >>MARY MULHERN: Yes, I have a couple of questions.
17:57:35 I was having trouble just locating the specific
17:57:37 projects people were talking about.
17:57:43 So Sheri Simons, where -- I am not sure which center or
17:57:46 which project you were talking about.
17:57:58 >>GWEN MILLER: You need to come to the mic.
17:58:00 >>MARY MULHERN: Yeah, tell me.
17:58:04 >> Look on page 19, it is area 3, need and
17:58:09 recommendation, Giddens Park.
17:58:14 >>MARY MULHERN: Okay this is Giddens Park.
17:58:17 >> The spot left at the park for a new building.
17:58:18 >>MARY MULHERN: Okay.
17:58:19 >> In the original plan.
17:58:22 >>MARY MULHERN: You never got the building?
17:58:25 >> We knew we wouldn't get it right a way.
17:58:28 >>MARY MULHERN: You got the water turned on?
17:58:30 >> We had the water turned on and we fussed and turned
17:58:33 on for the picnic and still on right now and I don't
17:58:34 know what the --
17:58:35 >>MARY MULHERN: Okay.
17:58:37 Just needed to know that.
17:58:40 The last gentleman that spoke from west Tampa.
17:58:42 I know about Villa Park, but you were talking about
17:58:45 some other projects, and I wasn't sure where those
17:58:51 >> That was gone from -- from Cass all the way down to
17:58:51 the river.
17:58:56 Planning for 14-inch pipe, drainage pipe going down,
17:59:00 north Hyde Park area.
17:59:02 >> Your name for the record, sir.
17:59:04 >> Wesley Wisenberger.
17:59:06 >>MARY MULHERN: you were saying it was funded,
17:59:09 budgeted, but they never did it?
17:59:09 >> That's correct.
17:59:12 And the other one was -- that was the calming devices
17:59:18 that came down from Cass -- actually it was the -- we
17:59:22 refer to it as the "Albany street calming device
17:59:25 And we were planning on moving to the next which would
17:59:28 have been Fremont, but the money -- we understood was
17:59:32 Everything was going fine, but the money was completely
17:59:35 wiped out and transferred somewhere else.
17:59:37 We would like to know where.
17:59:39 >>MARY MULHERN: Was it CDBG money?
17:59:40 Or do we know?
17:59:43 >> No.
17:59:45 Thank you.
17:59:47 >>GWEN MILLER: Mr. Dingfelder.
17:59:51 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Oh, it's not directly relevant to
17:59:55 the CDBG, but -- but I did hear the discussion from Mr.
17:59:58 Baron of how beautiful Kennedy was, and I think credit
18:00:00 goes where credit is due.
18:00:04 And sometimes around here things take 20-plus years to
18:00:09 get done, but I just think we all need to acknowledge
18:00:13 Linda Saul-Sena, our cohort over here has worked on
18:00:15 Kennedy Boulevard in numerous ways and numerous
18:00:19 directions that only she can probably ever tell anybody
18:00:23 about, and anyway, you deserve great credit and with
18:00:25 Thank you.
18:00:27 >>MARY MULHERN: Maybe on County Commission she can
18:00:28 help with Hillsborough.
18:00:31 I was going to give credit that it is amazing how you
18:00:34 persevered and it does look beautiful, but you know
18:00:38 this, that Pat Kemp was really involved in that
18:00:41 So sign her up again.
18:00:45 >> We are going to work on it.
18:00:46 >> Any other questions?
18:00:48 >>GWEN MILLER: Any questions?
18:00:52 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: The process is we will get -- do we
18:00:53 make decisions tonight.
18:00:55 >>GWEN MILLER: No, we don't make it tonight.
18:00:57 He just gave us this calendar.
18:01:00 In the book he will be back in a few weeks.
18:01:01 >> Thank you, Council.
18:01:03 >>GWEN MILLER: Just a discussion tonight.
18:01:06 Any other questions of Councilmembers?
18:01:08 Move to have close the public hearing.
18:01:11 >> Council, may be other people here who may want to
18:01:12 discuss other parts of the CDBG dollars, the
18:01:14 distribution of dollars.
18:01:15 I don't know --
18:01:16 >>GWEN MILLER: Anyone else in the public who would
18:01:18 like to speak?
18:01:24 This is the moment.
18:01:25 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: If you parked your car and came
18:01:28 down here, you might as well speak.
18:01:31 >> Greeting Madam Chairman and members of the City
18:01:35 Council, I am a little bit nervous because -- this
18:01:39 Community Development Block Grant program is something
18:01:47 that I have just been kind of energized about in terms
18:01:51 of public interest, because there is a lot I don't know
18:01:53 about it.
18:01:58 But on the philosophy that, you know, when there are
18:02:01 several dots, you want to know how those dots are
18:02:13 I believe the money comes from the Department of Urban
18:02:19 -- HUD, Housing and Urban Development.
18:02:23 And this city has been quite fortunate, because I
18:02:28 believe that we have been -- the city has been the
18:02:35 recipient of these funds for at least the past 15
18:02:42 Somewhere in that neighborhood.
18:02:47 At least I have been hearing this term Community
18:02:48 Development Block Grant.
18:02:51 So Madam Chairman, there is kind of like a learning
18:02:56 process for me now, but I would like to understand
18:03:01 When government gives you money, it wants you to be
18:03:04 accountable for it.
18:03:09 They want to be sure there is an evenhandedness on this
18:03:15 I believe the original presentation was made by your
18:03:19 budget and finance officer.
18:03:26 Then I hear comments from the committee of some sort.
18:03:31 Was that the community development black grant
18:03:34 >>GWEN MILLER: Advisory Committee.
18:03:35 >> Advisory Committee.
18:03:36 >>GWEN MILLER: Right.
18:03:37 >> Then I believe we have the representative from the
18:03:42 city housing department.
18:03:49 So what I am trying to understand, so far identified
18:03:51 three dots.
18:03:54 How are those dots connected?
18:04:00 And where does the buck stop?
18:04:03 Does it stop at the City Council or does it stop at the
18:04:08 Advisory Committee, or does it stop at the physical
18:04:14 Again, Madam Chairman, I -- this is something that --
18:04:25 that I have been kind of energized about.
18:04:29 And also I look at not just the focus but the panorama
18:04:33 of what is going on in this city in terms of economic
18:04:36 development, in terms of the quality of life for the
18:04:40 citizens of Tampa.
18:04:46 I -- I even understand that the neighborhood or the
18:04:52 area of the zone or whatever they designated.
18:04:56 The Advisory Committee is that I am not sure that we
18:04:59 have a representative.
18:05:03 Now I believe you got this Department of Community
18:05:09 Well, I was able to communicate with them, and they
18:05:11 said, well, where do you live.
18:05:14 And I gave them the address.
18:05:16 I said, well, who is the Advisory Committee
18:05:18 representative for this area.
18:05:23 Well, they gave me a name, and said there is a vacancy,
18:05:25 would you like to serve.
18:05:27 I said not necessarily.
18:05:30 I just want to know who is representing me.
18:05:35 So I hope I get a chance to meet this person and see
18:05:38 how effective they are within this Advisory Committee
18:05:47 So with that, Madam Chairman, I will take my seat, and
18:05:56 I do look forward to being more engaged because it does
18:05:58 look like the HUD is going to continue funding this
18:06:00 community development block grant program.
18:06:07 I don't think the Washington politics are going to
18:06:08 tamper with that too much.
18:06:14 But I do hope that the benefit that we get can be
18:06:18 One last thing, Madam Chairman, and I am going to
18:06:24 Where may I look for a -- an accomplishment report or a
18:06:30 progress report or something to indicate that if these
18:06:35 organizations are asking for the funds and you have
18:06:40 granted the funds, who is keeping track of whether or
18:06:43 not they are fulfilling their obligation, and does the
18:06:47 public have access to that information in terms of
18:06:50 their fulfilling their obligation.
18:06:54 >>GWEN MILLER: Mr. Davis, he is right behind you.
18:06:58 He can fill you in on that, from staff and the city.
18:07:08 Does anyone else want to speak?
18:07:11 >> This for public comment regarding the public service
18:07:14 money also?
18:07:17 >>GWEN MILLER: No, it's not.
18:07:19 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: The CDBG money.
18:07:20 Center for Women.
18:07:22 Yes, you are on this list.
18:07:22 >> Okay.
18:07:25 All I wanted to do was just to thank y'all for
18:07:29 supporting us all these years and continue your
18:07:32 supporting -- I know you haven't voted on it yet, but
18:07:35 it is on the list of our geriatric assistance program.
18:07:40 We provide major yard cleanups for folks, and we also
18:07:45 do some care coordinations so that our elder neighbors
18:07:50 can continue to live independently and live
18:07:51 independently in their homes.
18:07:54 We know this year the city doesn't a lot of the Federal
18:08:00 and state funds it has had in past years, and so we
18:08:02 would just like to say that please keep us in mind in
18:08:05 the event you do come across some sort of unanticipated
18:08:09 money, because our senior home improvement program has
18:08:13 over 500 people, city residents still on our list.
18:08:17 These are low-income folks who have needs ranging from
18:08:22 wheelchair ramps to full house rehabs.
18:08:23 So just thank you very much.
18:08:25 >>GWEN MILLER: Put your name on the record for me
18:08:30 >> Yes, Beth Bacay, representing the Center for Women
18:08:33 at 305 South Park Avenue.
18:08:33 Thank you.
18:08:35 >>GWEN MILLER: Thank you.
18:08:37 Anyone else would like to speak?
18:08:43 Need to close the public hearing.
18:08:46 >> My name is Liz Kennedy, and I am a volunteer with
18:08:50 two organizations that are very fortunate to be listed
18:08:54 And I wanted to thank you and whoever selected us.
18:08:58 I first represent the Tampa YMCA and a group of
18:09:02 volunteers that has been very active in wanting to make
18:09:05 a huge difference in sulfur springs.
18:09:09 And this will enable us to have an early childhood
18:09:12 learning center for very young children and their
18:09:17 parents in Sulphur Springs which is an enormous gap in
18:09:20 that community, and we are very, very excited about
18:09:22 being able to do that.
18:09:26 And so this is going to get the ball rolling as we hope
18:09:30 to create a neighborhood of promise in Sulphur Springs,
18:09:32 the other organization I represent is the Presbyterian
18:09:34 Family Learning Centers.
18:09:37 And you have funded the literacy program again, which
18:09:39 is a wonderful thing.
18:09:44 We work with families, parents and children with
18:09:47 literacy and we are particularly focusing on early
18:09:50 literacy and language acquisition.
18:09:54 So in both these situations, thank you very much, and I
18:09:58 hope whatever levels we have to go to next will get
18:10:00 Thank you.
18:10:01 >>GWEN MILLER: Thank you.
18:10:03 Need to close the public hearing.
18:10:04 >> So moved.
18:10:04 >> Second.
18:10:05 >>GWEN MILLER: Motion and a second.
18:10:07 All those in favor say aye.
18:10:08 Opposed, nay.
18:10:12 Now to item number two, Mr. Shelby?
18:10:16 >> I believe the attorney is in the lobby, the
18:10:23 I see Miss Kert coming up before --
18:10:25 >>GWEN MILLER: Miss Saul-Sena.
18:10:27 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I want to say everybody with
18:10:29 requests, over of the years on Council, the amount of
18:10:33 money has continued to lessen each year even though the
18:10:36 cost of doing anything for wheelchair ramps to programs
18:10:37 have increased.
18:10:41 It is really painful because we really wish we can do
18:10:43 more, and this is money from HUD and Washington.
18:10:46 So when you talk to your Federal representatives and
18:10:49 Senators, point out that we could really use more CDBG
18:10:59 Mill are they here, Mr. Shelby?
18:11:01 However you want to do it.
18:11:03 >> Rebecca Kert, Legal Department.
18:11:05 This item cannot be heard tonight because it was not
18:11:08 The attorney for the applicant is here.
18:11:10 This would be the third time this case was renoticed.
18:11:13 It was originally filed in May of last year.
18:11:18 What the appellant's attorney, I believe, would like to
18:11:21 proffer to you all that he believes he did mail it in,
18:11:23 and we did not receive it this time.
18:11:26 So we will let him speak to that.
18:11:29 >> Before do you speak, Council, I wanted to bring to
18:11:34 your attention 27-373, appeal from determination of a
18:11:36 board and commission.
18:11:40 The requirements in order for this to be heard by City
18:11:42 Council states that the applicant shall prepare an
18:11:45 affidavit showing the names and addresses of each
18:11:47 person who participated during the board or commission
18:11:52 public hearing, the date and post office address to --
18:11:55 to which each copy of the notice was mailed, the names
18:11:58 and addresses of the neighborhood associations that
18:11:59 were mailed or noticed.
18:12:02 The applicant should attach to the affidavit copies of
18:12:05 the postmarked receipts for certificate of mailing
18:12:07 showing that the notices were mailed and one photograph
18:12:10 depicting the location of the sign on the subject
18:12:12 parcel and its proximity to the street frontage and one
18:12:15 photograph in which the language on the sign is clear
18:12:17 and legible.
18:12:19 The affidavit and the copies of the postmarked receipts
18:12:22 for certificate of mailing and a photograph of the sign
18:12:26 as posted on the subject parcel shall be filed with the
18:12:30 city Clerk not less than 15 days prior to the public
18:12:34 The next section says misnotice.
18:12:36 If the notices of the date and time of the public
18:12:46 hearing as required by subsection 27-370 -- 373 sub 2
18:12:50 and 3 which I stated above -- stated at 5 is not mailed
18:12:53 to the applicant 30 days prior to the scheduled day of
18:12:55 the public hearing or the affidavit together with the
18:12:59 copies of the postmarked receipts for certificate of
18:13:03 mailing and a photograph of the sign posted on the
18:13:07 subject parcel is not filed with the Clerk of the City
18:13:09 Clerk 15 days prior to the state of the appeal hearing,
18:13:11 the matter will not be heard and shall be rescheduled
18:13:12 by the City Council.
18:13:15 The applicant shall prior to the date set for the
18:13:18 rescheduled appeal hearing comply with all notice
18:13:22 requirements as provided by 27.373 Sub C above.
18:13:26 Failure to perfect notice required for the rescheduled
18:13:31 appeal hearing shall result in the appeal being denied.
18:13:35 And what has happened in this case is through several
18:13:37 circumstances there are case has been rescheduled
18:13:41 before City Council as it recalls on multiple occasions
18:13:44 for a litany of reasons.
18:13:47 So you have that before you tonight.
18:13:49 I will tell that you in consultation with the Deputy
18:13:54 Clerk, Sandy Marshal, we have reviewed the file, and
18:14:00 there is no receipt that these items as required by the
18:14:03 code have been received by the City Clerk.
18:14:06 It is the City Clerk's position that they were not
18:14:09 filed as required by the code.
18:14:11 >>GWEN MILLER: Mr. Dingfelder.
18:14:14 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I know I have seen this case around
18:14:19 for a while because I recognize the learned counsel
18:14:23 over there, but is any -- are any other property owners
18:14:27 involved in the case or just his client?
18:14:31 >> No one else and at the -- at the underlying hearing.
18:14:33 The one thing I did want to bring to City Council's
18:14:36 attention that after the second misnotice where
18:14:38 typically this would just be removed from your agenda
18:14:42 and be deemed denied, the -- we -- the Legal Department
18:14:45 was asked to look at that, and we realized that the
18:14:49 Barrio ordinance as it is currently written does not
18:14:52 allow to you come back with the same application.
18:14:55 You can only come back with a substantially different
18:15:00 Most regulations allow you to come back with the same
18:15:01 application 12 months later.
18:15:06 We are currently changing that with the Barrio.
18:15:08 Something you send that to the Planning Commission and
18:15:11 will be coming back to you shortly.
18:15:15 City Council adopts that, then they will be able to
18:15:16 come back to the Barrio and within the same
18:15:18 application, but back in October where the Legal
18:15:21 Department asked to you reset this again, and then we
18:15:24 had some issues with the record not being perfected,
18:15:26 dates not --
18:15:29 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Just for clarification, assuming
18:15:32 that we deny it on procedural grounds right now, he
18:15:36 could or could not come back with the same petition
18:15:40 >> Right now.
18:15:43 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Fill in those blanks.
18:15:44 >> Tomorrow.
18:15:46 Tomorrow morning he can not come back ever with the
18:15:47 same application.
18:15:49 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: How about six months from now?
18:15:52 >> In about three months, if City Council passes the
18:15:54 proposed change, which you have already forwarded over
18:15:57 to the Planning Commission, he would be able to come
18:16:00 back basically when that passes if he is to withdraw
18:16:01 his application.
18:16:03 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: If it passes based on the
18:16:04 assumption it passes.
18:16:06 >> Yes, that's correct.
18:16:08 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: No other parties involved that we
18:16:11 know of other than his client and the city?
18:16:14 >> There were no other parties and at that hearing to
18:16:17 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Therefore, they couldn't be parties
18:16:18 in the appeal.
18:16:19 >> Correct.
18:16:21 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Okay.
18:16:25 The only thing I am going to say, and Joseph, I want to
18:16:28 say it to everybody.
18:16:32 Sir, I can't remember your name.
18:16:34 But you are an attorney.
18:16:35 >> Yes.
18:16:37 >>GWEN MILLER: Put your name on the record.
18:16:41 >> Anthony Ekonomides for the appellant.
18:16:44 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I want to hear what you have to say
18:16:46 but I want to you swear under oath whatever you are
18:16:47 going to say.
18:16:49 >> Is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the
18:16:51 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: The Clerk will swear you in and I
18:16:54 want to you say that and I will tell counsel as a
18:16:56 lawyer if he swears under oath and is not telling the
18:16:58 truth, that is a big deal.
18:17:00 So if he does that, and he says he mailed something,
18:17:03 then I think we have to kind of recognize that he is a
18:17:07 lawyer and he is jeopardizing his entire bar license if
18:17:10 he swears under oath and he is not telling the truth.
18:17:13 So -- I don't know what he is going to say or anything
18:17:16 else, but I am going to say if you swear under oath a
18:17:19 lawyer and not telling the truth, that is a big deal.
18:17:21 I am not sure he would risk that for this one little
18:17:24 But anyway, Madam chair --
18:17:26 >>GWEN MILLER: Swear him in please.
18:17:30 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: And anybody who is going to speak.
18:17:33 [Oath Administered by Clerk]
18:17:36 >> I do so help me God.
18:17:39 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: This is the procedural motion.
18:17:43 >> On the procedural matters, I am holding in my right
18:17:48 hand a copy of what was sent on may 21, the day after I
18:17:52 signed it and it was sworn by Adrian Lopez of our
18:17:55 office to the Clerk's office.
18:17:58 May I pass that up for a moment?
18:18:01 >>GWEN MILLER: Give it to our attorney and let him
18:18:07 check it out.
18:18:09 >> It's a copy.
18:18:17 In my left hand I have is a copy I kept for my files
18:18:20 but pictures on the back of my copy are original
18:18:23 pictures whereas the copy for the ones I sent to the
18:18:24 Clerk are in black and white.
18:18:25 They are identified differently.
18:18:32 The pictures on that particular affidavit have a hand
18:18:34 written date on them with my initials.
18:18:40 These ones say not may 18, 2010 because I am the one
18:18:41 that posted this notice.
18:18:46 These say 18 May, 2010.
18:18:48 Copied with the initial.
18:18:50 I caused that document to be filed -- well, filed
18:18:51 through the mail.
18:18:57 We file documents through the mail every day.
18:19:01 I realize this is not a judicial body but a
18:19:04 quasi-judicial body.
18:19:07 I simply made the presumption it would be dealt with
18:19:08 the way it should be.
18:19:10 Now I don't know how learned a man I am, but I am an
18:19:11 educated man.
18:19:14 I can't speak for the habits of the United States
18:19:17 Postal Service,and I certainly won't point my fingers
18:19:19 to anyone under the roof of this building, but I mailed
18:19:23 that document, and it comports with the other language.
18:19:30 I received an email letter on the 12th of May from the
18:19:34 Clerk's office indicating that pursuant to what we had
18:19:37 done here on May 6, I would have to do these things
18:19:38 which I have done.
18:19:43 And the time limits within which they would have to be
18:19:47 filed which I did personally because I didn't want any
18:19:48 more mess-ups On this file.
18:19:50 We had enough delay.
18:19:52 And the Chairman at that time made it very clear to me
18:19:55 he would not be very happy about delaying it any
18:19:59 So I pretty much took it away from everybody and did it
18:20:06 I can't account and I can't explain why it's not here.
18:20:10 But if -- if I can send this other one up so you can
18:20:11 compare the two.
18:20:13 >>MARY MULHERN: Can you quickly tell us what you are
18:20:15 Quickly, quickly --
18:20:17 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: No, we can't get into the substance
18:20:20 but we could schedule another hearing.
18:20:24 >>MARY MULHERN: We can't hear the appeal tonight --
18:20:27 Can you schedule another hearing?
18:20:32 Let me ask tell us in 30 seconds or less why this is
18:20:35 the 6th time we scheduled this?
18:20:37 >> Notice problems the first time around, ma'am.
18:20:40 Second time I think the record wasn't perfected and
18:20:44 then just calendaring glitches with respect to what I
18:20:44 do for a living.
18:20:46 And the last one I was going to be out of town in the
18:20:50 Atlanta area in or around -- I think it was June 3 or 4
18:20:52 we were calling for the date.
18:20:54 >>MARY MULHERN: So now if we are going to hear this
18:20:59 again we have to renotice, he has to renotice.
18:21:03 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: pick a date.
18:21:06 I move that we pick a date and renotice.
18:21:08 >>GWEN MILLER: Hear from Mr. Caetano.
18:21:09 >> I will do it starting Monday.
18:21:10 I will do it all over again.
18:21:12 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: Did you mail this yourself or
18:21:15 have someone mail it for you?
18:21:18 >> I thought I may have had Adrian mail it.
18:21:21 Adrian would have been the person who swore the
18:21:23 signature on the 21st.
18:21:25 Because when we completed this document it was late in
18:21:26 the day on the 20th.
18:21:29 I believe the 20th was a Thursday.
18:21:32 I like to work half days on Fridays if I can so I can
18:21:35 get some -- some file work done as opposed to seeing
18:21:40 And Adrian reminded me when I called him earlier that
18:21:42 that's one you took out yourself because you were
18:21:44 running out to the airport and I was running out to the
18:21:47 airport to send documents for my parents who are six
18:21:49 months here and six months up in Canada.
18:21:51 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: You got a receipt for what you
18:21:52 mailed or --
18:21:54 >> Nothing, I sent it regular mail.
18:21:56 >>GWEN MILLER: Let's pick a date.
18:22:00 Members of Council want to make a motion to rehear it.
18:22:04 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I move we rehear it in a timely way
18:22:08 to get the notice out but that is absolutely the last .
18:22:14 >> Sir, you understand by the code, it requires that
18:22:16 the Clerk have it in the Clerk's file.
18:22:17 >> I don't think I will be mailing anything in the
18:22:19 future, Mr. Shelby.
18:22:21 I am on Davis Island.
18:22:23 I think I will just walk it in.
18:22:23 >> That will be great.
18:22:26 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: We have an evening meeting in July,
18:22:28 the evening of July 22.
18:22:31 Does that give us -- does that provide us enough time?
18:22:33 >>GWEN MILLER: We would just be coming back from
18:22:36 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: We don't have many things -- in the
18:22:45 >> Council, I will be out of town in July.
18:22:46 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: The next evening meeting, a August
18:22:47 5 at 5:00.
18:22:50 Okay, we have plan --
18:22:52 >> The 12th would be a better day.
18:22:54 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Okay, the 12th.
18:22:57 >> Completely at your discretion and doesn't have to be
18:23:00 at an evening meeting you typically hear them during
18:23:01 the day when staff is here.
18:23:06 >> I don't want to increase anybody's workload because
18:23:08 the evenings are great.
18:23:10 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: August 12 at 6:00.
18:23:11 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: Second.
18:23:12 >>GWEN MILLER: A motion and a second.
18:23:14 All in favor say aye.
18:23:16 Opposed, nay.
18:23:18 Receive and file.
18:23:23 All in favor say aye, opposed, nay.
18:23:26 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: Madam Chairman.
18:23:28 I would like to make a motion that we have Chairman
18:23:34 Scott send a letter to compliment the Mayor -- I will
18:23:35 read what I am going to say here.
18:23:39 I will like to make a motion to have Chairman Scott be
18:23:43 requested to draft a transmittal letter on behalf of
18:23:46 Council encouraging President Barack Obama to give
18:23:51 Tampa International Airport as an entry between charter
18:23:52 flights between the United States and Cuba.
18:23:54 Not only is Tampa Bay the home to one of the largest
18:23:58 concentrations of Cuban-Americans, but our diverse
18:24:01 international population will benefit from this travel
18:24:05 Support for this decision comes from any community and
18:24:08 business organizations, including the Chamber of
18:24:11 Commerce, World Trade Center Bay, and Tampa Bay
18:24:14 Partnership to name a few.
18:24:16 This will complement the letter of our Mayor sent
18:24:18 >>GWEN MILLER: Is there a second?
18:24:20 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Second.
18:24:22 >>GWEN MILLER: All favor of the motion, say aye.
18:24:25 Opposed, nay.
18:24:25 Anything else?
18:24:27 We stand adjourned.
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