TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
Thursday, July 15, 2010
9:00 a.m. session
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09:05:28 >>THOMAS SCOTT: City Council will now come to order.
09:05:31 I'm happy to introduce the person that's going to do
09:05:33 our invocation today, and the person of Jim Reese who
09:05:39 has been a City of Tampa legislative aide in the
09:05:41 legislative district which is the South Tampa district
09:05:45 for the past seven and a half years.
09:05:47 He was formerly the mayor of a village of patch orange
09:05:51 on Long Island in New York state, also served as
09:05:55 director of facilities management in Pasco County, and
09:05:58 commissioner of general services for Suffolk county,
09:06:04 New York.
09:06:04 So, Jim, will you come?
09:06:06 And it's our pleasure as always to have you here.
09:06:09 >> Thank you.
09:06:14 Heavenly father, with high hopes for the days that lie
09:06:18 ahead, we gather to destiny we share with one another.
09:06:24 We gather in faith with the practice of democracy.
09:06:26 We gather with hearts and minds open to the wisdom and
09:06:30 every voice among us.
09:06:31 In our gathering may we dream and design a bold future.
09:06:35 May we bring our best selves to this service and may we
09:06:39 dream these dreams and do this work with love.
09:06:41 (Pledge of Allegiance)
09:07:01 Roll call.
09:07:05 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: Here.
09:07:07 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Here.
09:07:08 >>MARY MULHERN: Here.
09:07:09 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Here.
09:07:15 We will move to our agenda just shortly, but before we
09:07:18 do that, those that have items on the agenda to talk
09:07:25 about later on, because there are only going to be four
09:07:27 council persons today, and you may wish a continuance.
09:07:32 You can certainly make that request when we come to
09:07:34 those public hearing items.
09:07:38 You may wish to have the item continued.
09:07:40 Certainly you can make that request when we come to
09:07:42 those items.
09:07:43 The other things I want to make note of, because we
09:07:46 only have four members today, and at no time can any
09:07:50 one person leave, because then we will not have a
09:07:54 So periodically we will take some time to take breaks
09:07:58 for those who may have medical needs and so forth.
09:08:02 Thank you very much.
09:08:03 >> Good morning.
09:08:08 You have the addendum to today's agenda.
09:08:11 Very briefly, there's an item that did not make the
09:08:13 addendum that needs to be substituted and that is item
09:08:15 number 1.
09:08:16 And assistant city attorney Julie Harvey has provided
09:08:22 you a substitution.
09:08:25 There is a change to the terms.
09:08:26 And if you like she can tell you what the substitution
09:08:28 is now or do it when item 1 comes up.
09:08:32 It's your pleasure.
09:08:35 Mr. Fletcher?
09:08:37 >>CHARLES FLETCHER: This substitution is just at
09:08:40 council's request.
09:08:41 Council member's request.
09:08:43 The prior ordinance that had an administrative
09:08:46 extension, and in the current context and with the
09:08:48 current council, the preference was for that not to be
09:08:52 So this will be a one-year extension of the vacating
09:08:56 ordinance for the Heights with any further extensions
09:08:59 come back to council by application of the permit
09:09:04 Thank you.
09:09:05 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Continuing, item number 17 is a
09:09:10 request for the substitution of the agreement attached
09:09:12 to the resolution approving the city service agreement
09:09:14 for the Republican national convention.
09:09:18 Item 22 is a substitution request for the resolution of
09:09:24 exhibit F with the revenue bond.
09:09:28 Item 34 is a request by city attorney for a continuance
09:09:34 to July 29th, 2010 for a resolution regarding a
09:09:38 mutual termination of a memorandum of understanding
09:09:43 with the development review process request square.
09:09:46 Item -- Kress square.
09:09:50 Item 83 is a request I am making, a three week
09:09:55 continuance for full council, and ask that be brought
09:09:58 back on August 5th of 2010.
09:10:00 Item 85, senior assistant city attorney Julia Cole is
09:10:05 requesting a continuance to this item regarding the
09:10:10 magistrate's recommendation pertaining to L.advance
09:10:15 Blanchard versus City of Tampa, requesting August 5,
09:10:20 I believe as you stated, chair pro tem Miller will not
09:10:24 be in attendance at today's meeting.
09:10:27 Again, council, to remind you, a quorum is necessary to
09:10:31 conduct business.
09:10:33 That requires all four members, and also to take any
09:10:38 official action requires by the charter a vote of four
09:10:42 which means as the chairman said, in effect, every vote
09:10:44 that you take today, in order to take action,
09:10:48 affirmative action, requires a unanimous vote.
09:10:52 With that being said, I am not aware of any other
09:10:55 changes, additions or deletions.
09:10:56 And I present to you this agenda as amended for your
09:10:59 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Any questions by council?
09:11:02 If not, motion to approve?
09:11:04 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: So moved.
09:11:05 >> Second.
09:11:07 >>THOMAS SCOTT: All in favor?
09:11:09 At this time, the council has allotted 30 minutes, up
09:11:13 to 30 minutes for persons who wish to address council
09:11:16 on items first that are on the agenda other than public
09:11:20 hearing items.
09:11:21 If you wish to come and speak to council, you may line
09:11:23 up and come forward at this time, state your name and
09:11:26 address for the record, and you have three minutes.
09:11:28 You can come forward at this time if you want to
09:11:32 address council on any item other than public hearing
09:11:35 You have thee minutes to do so.
09:11:37 And we give preference to items on the agenda first,
09:11:39 and then time remaining to any item that you desire.
09:11:43 >>> My name is Tony D'Aquila. I reside at 1302 East
09:11:48 Park Circle Tampa, 33604.
09:11:50 I am here to address agenda item number 18, which is
09:11:54 the designation of the Alan "Mr. River" Wright park.
09:12:01 I want to provide a bit of background for you about
09:12:03 Alan Wright.
09:12:05 Alan was a long-time employee of the Hillsborough
09:12:07 county Planning Commission, served the majority of his
09:12:11 time there in his career as the principal planner,
09:12:14 managing issues concerning the status of the
09:12:17 Hillsborough River.
09:12:18 Alan was a dedicated advocate for the much maligned
09:12:22 seriously degraded Hillsborough River when few friends
09:12:26 of the river could be found.
09:12:27 He worked tirelessly to improve not only the ecological
09:12:31 condition and the biological viability of this
09:12:34 important fresh water resource, but also in a
09:12:38 synergistic fashion he had aim to improve the quality
09:12:41 of life and the livability of the river community in
09:12:46 Through his hard work and his dedication, chiefly by
09:12:50 organizing grassroots support, he reversed the tide
09:12:54 against the river and achieved impressive results.
09:12:56 Among his accomplishments were the launching of the
09:12:58 annual river clean-up, which is now in its 26th
09:13:01 year, the organization of the multi-jurisdictional
09:13:04 river policy and advisory board, and the establishment
09:13:07 of the City of Tampa's river tower park.
09:13:11 And in doing so, he sensitized the city to the need to
09:13:14 preserve Sulphur Springs and the historic Sulphur
09:13:17 Springs water tower as well.
09:13:19 Alan courageously spoke -- courageously spoke up for
09:13:24 the river and the community even when desperately ill
09:13:26 with cancer and his voice was heard until it wags
09:13:28 forever silenced by that disease in the summer of 2007.
09:13:32 So I thank you for the time.
09:13:35 And before I sit down I also would like to thank Karen
09:13:38 Palus for her leadership of the Parks Department and
09:13:41 for the Parks Department initiative in support of our
09:13:46 And I do hope that you will endorse the dedication of
09:13:49 this property in the memory of Alan, a great citizen of
09:13:52 the City of Tampa.
09:13:53 Thank you.
09:13:53 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you.
09:14:03 >> Linda D'Aquila. I'm here representing the League of
09:14:05 Women Voters of Hillsborough County. I live at 1302
09:14:09 Park Circle, Tampa, 33606.
09:14:14 I'm speaking for agenda item number 18.
09:14:17 The Alan "Mr. River" Wright park.
09:14:20 In April the League of Women Voters held their annual
09:14:22 lifetime achievement award lunch and at that time Alan
09:14:25 was -- Alan's family was dedicated an award for the
09:14:37 Hillsborough River, the environment and for our
09:14:39 In conjunction with this award the league contacted
09:14:41 Karen Palus from the Parks Department about naming a
09:14:45 small park in Alan's neighborhood right on the river
09:14:49 for him, and in recognition of his service.
09:14:52 On behalf of the League of Women Voters of Hillsborough
09:14:55 County, I ask the City Council to join us in honoring
09:14:57 Alan by approving the naming of the park, the Alan "Mr.
09:15:02 River" Wright park.
09:15:04 Thank you.
09:15:05 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you.
09:15:05 >> My name is Sue Lyon.
09:15:16 I want to thank gene Dorzback and Mary Mulhern for the
09:15:20 new signs on Bayshore about the trucks.
09:15:24 I have been trying to get those signs up for a hundred
09:15:27 I saw them this morning and they really are effective.
09:15:30 Thank you very much.
09:15:31 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you.
09:15:37 Rebecca Johns, McFarland Ferguson, North Franklin
09:15:41 Street, here on behalf of Jim and Natalie Goodwin
09:15:46 regarding item number 85, which may be continued, but
09:15:51 they just want to express their concern and let you
09:15:53 know that they object to the special magistrate's
09:15:56 recommendation that your decision would unfairly burden
09:16:03 the property and they object to the modified site plan
09:16:06 that would still require change to zoning.
09:16:08 They feel that your decision was based on competent
09:16:10 evidence presented by the neighborhood and they believe
09:16:16 that it would detrimentally affect their property.
09:16:19 Thank you.
09:16:22 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you.
09:16:22 >> My name is Becky Roundhorst, 3305 Mullin Avenue in
09:16:30 I'm here to address the issue number 85 on your agenda,
09:16:36 also, about the continuance.
09:16:39 Some of us as neighbors continue to come to these
09:16:42 meetings to show that we do not agree -- well, that we
09:16:48 agreed with your unanimous decision to not let that
09:16:57 rezoning issue go through for Ms. Blanchard, and that
09:17:04 we do not feel that the special magistrate's decision
09:17:10 was correct, and we are just here to continue to show
09:17:14 our neighborhood support for maintaining the integrity
09:17:18 of our neighborhood as is with an RS-100 zoning which
09:17:24 is in fact the zoning law that's in effect.
09:17:28 Thank you.
09:17:29 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you.
09:17:30 Next speaker.
09:17:41 >> Good morning.
09:17:42 For the record my name is Janet Doherty, formerly Janet
09:17:46 Kovak, here on agenda item number 2, and just wanting
09:17:49 to show my support for this item.
09:17:53 This is a remedy for your procurement process.
09:17:56 And I believe the genesis started with a client of mine
09:17:59 who went through a protest, prevailed, there was
09:18:03 ex parte communications, there was an RFQ that was
09:18:06 thrown out there, was an RFP, there was a bid that was
09:18:10 thrown out, even after the whole protest had prevailed
09:18:14 And then there was a bid process.
09:18:16 And I really love the language where it talked about
09:18:20 that you have to put up a bond, and that if you have
09:18:22 any ex parte communication that you will be eliminated
09:18:26 from the bid process or procurement process happening
09:18:29 at that time, and that you will be barred from any
09:18:31 procurement process six months into the future.
09:18:35 And that just levels the playing field because it costs
09:18:40 the city on my issue hundreds of thousands of dollars,
09:18:43 you dealt with a bidder out of Canada that was not a
09:18:46 responsible bidder that took material from the City of
09:18:48 Tampa and deposited in a significant wildlife habitat,
09:18:53 and prosecuted by the natural resource division of PGM.
09:18:57 All of this while my clients did the right thing,
09:19:01 prevailed on the administrative hearing.
09:19:05 This is a wonderful document.
09:19:07 I really want to thank mark Hamilton and Chip Fletcher
09:19:10 for taking this on.
09:19:11 I don't know really who brought this forward, if it was
09:19:16 Chairman Scott or if it was Charlie Miranda, but also I
09:19:20 want to thank Kevin Frye and Linda Johnson, because I
09:19:24 think they add to the procurement process.
09:19:26 So this is absolutely necessary, and I support it, and
09:19:29 I hope you support it as well.
09:19:30 Thank you.
09:19:31 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Mr. Chairman, this is the one that
09:19:34 I think was in two areas, one over 25,000 bid process,
09:19:38 under 25, and you have three days from the time of
09:19:41 posting to object, and then I think there's other
09:19:43 remedies, ten days of appeal and so forth.
09:19:47 So I understand what you're saying.
09:19:48 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you.
09:20:02 >> My name is Sarah Elias.
09:20:05 I live and own at towers of Channelside.
09:20:08 Today I represent myself as an owner, resident and the
09:20:10 other owners of the towers of Channelside.
09:20:12 I would like to give a brief update. In September 2009
09:20:15 the City Council did approve 09-360 for a special use
09:20:20 permit 4(COP-X) for 223 south 12th Street.
09:20:26 In March or April of 2010 while attending a CRA Channel
09:20:29 District meeting, tower owners learned of the lounge
09:20:32 forthcoming to 223 south 12th Street.
09:20:35 The property tax records show that site title in the
09:20:37 name of Yellow Knight LLC.
09:20:40 On April 15, tower owner came forward to advise the
09:20:44 City Council that tower 2 is directly across the street
09:20:47 from the site and not one owner was given the required
09:20:51 legal notice.
09:20:52 On May 20th, 2010, a signed petition was hand to
09:20:57 the City Council.
09:20:58 City Council's decision was for the city attorney to
09:21:00 view for obviously la goer process which is in process
09:21:06 Today we the owners present ourselves to the City
09:21:08 Council to announce an intent to work simultaneously
09:21:12 where the declaratory filing.
09:21:14 It is our intent to contact and meet with the present
09:21:17 lot owner jack Slocum, president of the Slocum group
09:21:21 LLC and savage, who in May 2010 was added as the
09:21:26 vice-president to the Slocum investment group, and in
09:21:30 the registry of the Florida department of state
09:21:32 division appropriation.
09:21:35 Our intention is to request the present lot owners to
09:21:38 approach the original petitioning agent Mark Bentley to
09:21:41 perform a good faith reconditioning in full compliance
09:21:44 within the code at no charge.
09:21:50 Progress made to City Council regarding the meeting
09:21:53 between tower owners, the present lot owners and the
09:21:57 agent Mark Bentley.
09:21:58 The sole purpose is to have all of the property owners
09:22:02 than within 250 feet of the site be given the required
09:22:04 legal notification.
09:22:06 Current records from the property appraiser is crucial,
09:22:10 the cost is less than $20 for a 250-foot radius and a
09:22:14 list of the owners.
09:22:15 Full compliance of the municipal court will provide the
09:22:18 tower owners the privilege of attending and speaking at
09:22:20 all hearings at City Council meetings.
09:22:26 We thank City Council for documenting our attempt to
09:22:28 resolve this matter while the city attorney
09:22:31 simultaneously -- filing it thank you.
09:22:38 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Mr. Chairman, I am going to need an
09:22:40 attorney to -- I understand what was presented and what
09:22:43 was said today, and was present and said during the
09:22:46 hearing and after the hearing.
09:22:50 Even though council I believe unanimously supported
09:22:52 action of council -- council supported the towers, I'm
09:22:57 concerned and I agree with what they are saying but I'm
09:22:59 concerned that this is really a private matter.
09:23:01 We were presented evidence based on that evidence, this
09:23:04 council took action.
09:23:06 Based on that action, maybe the attorney representing
09:23:11 whoever the petitioner was, either got that information
09:23:14 or didn't get information or whatever it was, and
09:23:18 that's how this came about. Whether it's all facts or
09:23:20 not I don't know and I need some guidance from you.
09:23:23 >>> I think what you stated is accurate in whether or
09:23:31 not the petitioner could rely on the information from
09:23:33 the property appraiser's office is the key issue, and
09:23:38 that's why when this was brought up previously, I
09:23:41 indicated that we would look into the city filing an
09:23:45 I believe I indicated as well that the typical approach
09:23:51 in the case law is for that party, the private party
09:23:53 who didn't receive notice, to file the action.
09:23:57 And we have encouraged the property owners to do that
09:23:59 as well.
09:24:01 Our approach that I described that we have been
09:24:03 researching and filing a declaratory judgment action in
09:24:07 circuit court to resolve this issue, we are still
09:24:10 researching that, and that would be an approach that I
09:24:13 think we can take, and at the request of council we
09:24:16 have been working on that.
09:24:17 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: And I'm very appreciative of what
09:24:20 you just said and I think both sides will be satisfied
09:24:22 to somebody degree -- no one is going to win if they
09:24:25 went to the court and asked for declaratory judgment.
09:24:29 >>> And that's what we have been working on, and if we
09:24:31 are able to do it we hope to do it fairly soon but we
09:24:34 are still researching whether it's a fully viable
09:24:37 >>MARY MULHERN: Just from glancing at the cover
09:24:42 letter, it sound like when the tower owners would like,
09:24:47 and they are trying to work with the property owner who
09:24:50 got the special use permit, is to have them re-petition
09:24:56 for that purpose, and the big question in big bold
09:25:03 capitals is no charge.
09:25:05 So I hope you are going to work with them, both the
09:25:09 petitioner and the neighbors, because that -- without
09:25:19 any lawsuits or anything like that we might be able to
09:25:22 solve this by just starting over and not charging.
09:25:25 >>> I agree, a reasonable cure for the situation would
09:25:29 be for the property own to really, and we could have
09:25:32 looked at it but I'm sure we can figure out a way to
09:25:35 deal with the fees, that the city would impose.
09:25:38 Frankly, we have been trying to figure out who the
09:25:41 owner is to make contact, and apparently the towers
09:25:45 through other means have reached -- obtained
09:25:49 information beyond that we could get just from the
09:25:52 corporate records, because I think what was described
09:25:56 would be a reasonable resolution, but until -- the only
09:26:02 person we have identified right now is the registered
09:26:05 agent for the corporate owner, and when we decide what
09:26:07 we are going to do we will make contact with that
09:26:12 If there's a decision maker that would like to get
09:26:14 engaged in the meantime and avoid that, we would be
09:26:17 happy to work with them.
09:26:18 >>MARY MULHERN: And I hope you can do that.
09:26:23 You have neighborhood really doing a lot of work to
09:26:26 solve this.
09:26:27 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Next speaker.
09:26:28 >>CHARLES FLETCHER: Thank you.
09:26:35 >> My name is Pastor Frank R. Williams, located at 1112
09:26:40 East Scott street, Paradise Missionary Baptist Church.
09:26:43 I have come up here quite a few times trying to
09:26:46 represent my people.
09:26:47 It seems like everybody ignore me.
09:26:50 Scott, welcome back.
09:26:51 You have been on vacation, right?
09:26:52 Welcome back.
09:26:53 And I'm glad you're back because I need to have a
09:26:56 comment with you and Gwen Miller in particular.
09:26:59 The reason why, because people of color, and you are
09:27:05 running for mayor, right?
09:27:07 I want somebody to run for mayor that going to
09:27:08 represent all the people, not just a segment of people
09:27:12 like the rich folk, like TECO, like the water people.
09:27:15 He have time they come down want a raise or more money.
09:27:19 We need somebody that's going to represent the
09:27:21 community that are too afraid to come down here and
09:27:25 represent themselves because they figure that you all
09:27:26 are going to ignore them.
09:27:28 I pray to God that -- I got some flyers made up.
09:27:35 I am not going to pass them out now.
09:27:37 I don't want to pass them out now until I talk with
09:27:41 I pray to God that you will talk with me and consider
09:27:44 the issue.
09:27:45 Thank you.
09:27:45 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Next speaker.
09:27:49 Anyone else?
09:27:55 >> Steven Griffin, Hillsborough County city-county
09:27:57 Planning Commission, here to speak on item number 18.
09:28:02 As stated earlier, Alan was a long-time employee of the
09:28:07 planning council.
09:28:09 He worked tirelessly for the restoration, preservation
09:28:12 of the Hillsborough River, and I hope that the council
09:28:15 supports the renaming of the park for Alan "Mr. River"
09:28:21 Wright and it will endear his legacy to the
09:28:24 Hillsborough River, and Alan's love and dedication to
09:28:26 the City of Tampa and to the natural resources such as
09:28:31 the Hillsborough River that provide activity, enjoyment
09:28:35 for all the residents and citizens of our community.
09:28:38 And I hope you support it.
09:28:39 Thank you.
09:28:39 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you.
09:28:43 Anyone else wish to address council?
09:28:48 All right.
09:28:48 Thank you very much.
09:28:50 We will move to the items on the agenda.
09:28:55 Well, does anyone have a special legislative request,
09:29:01 Then we'll move to the ordinance number 1 which is a
09:29:06 >>MARTIN SHELBY: A legislative matter doesn't require
09:29:14 a public hearing.
09:29:15 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Councilwoman Mulhern, do you want to
09:29:17 read that substitute?
09:29:18 >>MARY MULHERN: I move an ordinance amending ordinance
09:29:21 2006-159 as amended by ordinance, 2008-137 vacating,
09:29:29 closing, discontinuing, and abandoning certain
09:29:32 rights-of-way all or a portion of those certain
09:29:35 rights-of-way contained within the proposed Heights
09:29:38 community development district generally locate south
09:29:40 of Ross Avenue, west of Tampa street, north of the
09:29:43 north bank of the Hillsborough River, and east of North
09:29:46 Boulevard, in the city Hillsborough County Florida
09:29:50 amending section 5 of said ordinance to allow the
09:29:53 petitioner additional time to comply with ordinance
09:29:56 conditions providing an effective date.
09:30:00 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Seconded by Mr. Miranda.
09:30:01 >> Motion passes with Miller being absent. Second
09:30:04 reading of the ordinance will be held July 29th at
09:30:04 9:30 a.m.
09:30:05 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Item 2.
09:30:08 Councilman Miranda.
09:30:09 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Move an ordinance of the city of
09:30:11 Tampa, Florida amending chapter 2, article V, division
09:30:15 3 of the City of Tampa code creating section 2-282,
09:30:19 procurement, protest procedures, repealing all
09:30:21 ordinances or parts ordinances in conflict therewith,
09:30:25 providing for severability, providing an effective
09:30:26 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Moved and seconded.
09:30:28 All in favor signify by saying Aye.
09:30:31 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried with Miller being absent.
09:30:34 Second reading of the ordinance will be held July
09:30:37 29th at 9:30 a.m.
09:30:40 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Item number 3.
09:30:43 Councilman Caetano.
09:30:44 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: An ordinance being present for
09:30:45 first reading consideration.
09:30:46 An ordinance of the city of Tampa, Florida amending
09:30:48 City of Tampa code of ordinances, chapter 21,
09:30:51 stormwater management, repealing all ordinances in
09:30:53 conflict, providing for severability, providing an
09:30:56 effective date.
09:30:56 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Mr. Chairman, last night as we read
09:31:02 through this, I did a little calculation, not mine but
09:31:06 someone did the calculation, and this gives us the
09:31:08 ability to leave it the way it is on a yearly basis or
09:31:11 go on every two years, and doing the mathematics of
09:31:16 this, if we go and we have to renotice all the parcels
09:31:23 to be changed from one year to two years, at the
09:31:26 discretion of this council, the cost for doing that
09:31:28 will be $143,200.20.
09:31:33 We are required by law that every time there is a new
09:31:37 change over parcel or new parcels added to that area,
09:31:42 we must notify them according to the law.
09:31:45 And I agree with that.
09:31:46 And the last average of the last three years of that
09:31:50 cost was about $6,119.
09:31:53 So what I'm saying is, I ask the council members to
09:31:57 consider the cost, and the possible increase minus the
09:32:03 $6,000 will be $137,000.
09:32:07 The notification of all these parcels.
09:32:10 And I don't think that's prudent at this time.
09:32:12 I think we want to leave it the way it is.
09:32:14 But I see someone coming from the audience that may
09:32:16 want to speak on it from the legal department.
09:32:18 So maybe to correct what I just said.
09:32:20 >>> I was just coming back up to the front after taking
09:32:26 care of something.
09:32:27 Chip Fletcher, city attorney.
09:32:28 This ordinance would allow multiyear assessments, but I
09:32:31 concur with what councilman indicated that at this
09:32:35 point it's not cost effective to do that so I would
09:32:38 recommend coming back with a one-year assessment for
09:32:40 stormwater as I indicated in my memos on the other ones
09:32:43 that we were investigating with a similar
09:32:45 >> Second leaving it the way it is.
09:32:50 >> You are not suggesting we don't pass this ordinance?
09:33:01 >> Basically what it is, the ordinance gives the
09:33:03 council the option within the code to amend the code to
09:33:05 give the council the option for the recommendation of
09:33:07 the administration based on councilman's position that
09:33:14 he indicated it remain the way it presently is.
09:33:16 This ordinance will not change the current process.
09:33:18 It will just allow a future council somewhere down the
09:33:22 >> And there are a couple of other small updates, that
09:33:30 are significant from a legal standpoint.
09:33:32 >> Seconded by councilman Miranda.
09:33:36 All in favor say Aye.
09:33:37 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried with Miller being absent.
09:33:41 Second reading of the ordinance will be held July
09:33:45 29th at 9:30 a.m.
09:33:46 >> We move on with our committee reports.
09:33:52 Public safety, councilman Miranda.
09:33:53 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I move items 1 through 10.
09:34:09 Excuse me, 4 through 10.
09:34:12 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Seconded by Councilwoman Mulhern.
09:34:14 All in favor?
09:34:21 You vote in support?
09:34:22 >>MARY MULHERN: Yes.
09:34:24 >>THOMAS SCOTT: That was a late AYE.
09:34:28 There's only four of us now.
09:34:35 [ Laughter ]
09:34:38 Parks and rec, Councilwoman Mulhern.
09:34:40 >> Thank you.
09:34:42 I would like to move item 1 through 16.
09:34:55 Oh, I'm sorry.
09:34:56 Move item 11 through 17, and highlight item 18.
09:35:07 I would like to move that, thank all the people who
09:35:10 came here and especially thank Karen Palus for so
09:35:14 quickly naming this park for Mr. River, and it's just
09:35:21 wonderful what he's done for the Hillsborough River.
09:35:24 And I think it's great that we are naming it after him
09:35:27 and thank everyone for coming today to celebrate this
09:35:35 So move 18 through 20.
09:35:37 Do I need to substitute 17?
09:35:41 >> Including the substitution.
09:35:43 >>MARY MULHERN: Including the substitution of item 17.
09:35:48 So item 11 through 20.
09:35:51 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Including item 18 then?
09:35:53 >>MARY MULHERN: Yes.
09:35:55 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Let me just thank the administration,
09:35:59 Mrs. Karen Palus for this, and it's always an honor for
09:36:03 those who work so hard here in this community.
09:36:06 They deserve this type of recognition.
09:36:08 And I believe council's position has always been to be
09:36:12 supportive of these kinds of renaming and recognitions
09:36:15 so thank all so much for being here today to renaming
09:36:18 the river.
09:36:20 This park, rather.
09:36:22 All in favor signify by saying Aye.
09:36:29 Public works.
09:36:30 Councilman Miranda.
09:36:31 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Move items 21 through 25,
09:36:34 substitute on 22 which is a savings of money for the
09:36:38 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Is there a second?
09:36:41 >>MARY MULHERN: Second.
09:36:42 >>THOMAS SCOTT: All in favor signify by saying Aye.
09:36:46 Finance Committee, Councilwoman Mulhern.
09:36:48 >>MARY MULHERN: I move item 26 through 31.
09:36:54 >> Seconded by councilman Miranda.
09:36:56 All in favor signify by saying Aye.
11:32:13 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Just for clarification again, the
13:33:47 item number 34 has been continued to July 29th.
13:33:51 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Yes.
13:33:54 Building and zoning.
13:33:56 Councilman Caetano.
13:33:57 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: Mr. Chairman, we are going to
13:33:59 move 32, 33 -- and 34 is continued -- to number 47.
13:34:04 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Okay.
13:34:08 35 through 47.
13:34:09 Is there a second?
13:34:10 Moved and seconded by Councilwoman Mulhern.
13:34:13 All in favor signify by saying Aye.
13:34:22 Councilwoman Miller is not here.
13:34:23 Councilman Miranda, would you?
13:34:26 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Yes, sir.
13:34:27 I read these last night.
13:34:29 I'll take up for Ms. Miller 48 through 52.
13:34:32 >>MARY MULHERN: Second.
13:34:33 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Moved and seconded.
13:34:34 All in favor signify by saying Aye.
13:34:38 We need to set the public hearing for items 53 through
13:34:43 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: So moved.
13:34:46 >>MARY MULHERN: Second.
13:34:46 >>THOMAS SCOTT: All in favor signify by saying Aye.
13:34:54 Now we are to our 9:30 items.
09:38:12 >> We move to our public hearings for second reading.
09:38:16 Need a motion to open public hearings, 61, 62, 63,
09:38:24 64 -- through 72.
09:38:27 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I move to open 61 through 72,
09:38:30 Mr. Chairman.
09:38:30 >>MARY MULHERN: Second.
09:38:32 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Seconded by Councilwoman Mulhern.
09:38:34 All in favor signify by saying Aye.
09:38:36 >> Again for council and the public's clarification,
09:38:45 these public hearings require a vote of four either in
09:38:47 support or opposition to effectuate action which
09:38:50 requires a unanimous vote.
09:38:52 That being the case, it would be appropriate at this
09:38:55 time if anybody wishes to request a continuance to have
09:38:58 this heard before a full council or a council greater
09:39:02 than the four members today.
09:39:05 This would be the appropriate time to do that.
09:39:07 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Item 63, you aren't going to have a
09:39:14 unanimous vote.
09:39:15 I don't know if petitioner is here.
09:39:17 But item 63, you are going to come up short, so you may
09:39:20 want to continue.
09:39:22 If you can come to the mike.
09:39:23 You have to say it on the record.
09:39:25 >> Joseph Diaz here on behalf of the petitioner with
09:39:40 respect to item 63, and we would request a continuance.
09:39:43 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Okay.
09:39:47 Clerk, the 29th?
09:39:49 >>THE CLERK: July 29th at 9:30 a.m.
09:39:54 >>MARTIN SHELBY: And just for the record this has been
09:39:59 >>THOMAS SCOTT: 29th of July, 9:30.
09:40:02 Anyone want to speak to the continuance on item 63?
09:40:06 Anyone want to speak to that?
09:40:07 >>THOMAS SCOTT:
09:40:14 >>MARY MULHERN: Move to continue to July 29th
09:40:17 (Motion carried).
09:40:19 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Seconded by Caetano. Anyone from the
09:40:21 public wish to a degrees council on item 61?
09:40:25 Item 61.
09:40:25 Anyone wish to address council on item 61?
09:40:29 Motion to close?
09:40:31 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: So moved.
09:40:32 >>MARY MULHERN: Second.
09:40:33 (Motion carried).
09:40:35 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Councilwoman Mulhern.
09:40:36 >>MARY MULHERN: I move an ordinance being presented
09:40:42 for second reading and adoption.
09:40:45 Is this 61?
09:40:47 An ordinance of the city of Tampa, Florida readopting
09:40:49 an ordinance that makes comprehensive revisions to City
09:40:52 of Tampa code of ordinances, chapter 6, business
09:40:55 regulation, creating division 11 pain management
09:40:58 clinics, section 6-255 through section 6-262 revising
09:41:04 and clarifying section 6-256-C-4, 6-257-A, 6-261-A and
09:41:13 6-262 providing for repeal of all ordinances in
09:41:15 conflict, providing for severability, providing an
09:41:17 effective date.
09:41:17 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Seconded by councilman Miranda.
09:41:22 Record your vote, please.
09:41:42 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: The machine can't handle four
09:42:06 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried with Miller being absent.
09:42:08 >>THOMAS SCOTT: If you are going to be addressing
09:42:09 council on these public hearings please stand and raise
09:42:12 your right hand to be sworn.
09:42:14 (Oath administered by Clerk)
09:42:23 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Mr. Chairman, I ask that all written
09:42:24 material which has been available for public inspection
09:42:26 at City Council's office be received and filed by
09:42:28 motion at this time.
09:42:29 >>MARY MULHERN: So moved.
09:42:35 >> Second.
09:42:35 (Motion carried)
09:42:37 >>MARTIN SHELBY: And for any ex parte communications,
09:42:41 please disclose those prior to your vote.
09:42:42 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you very much.
09:42:44 Anyone wish to address council on item 62?
09:42:47 Motion to close.
09:42:47 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: So moved.
09:42:49 >>MARY MULHERN: Second.
09:42:51 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Councilman Caetano.
09:42:52 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: Mr. Chairman, item 62.
09:42:56 An ordinance being presented for second reading and
09:42:58 adoption, an ordinance approving special use S-2
09:43:04 approving a place of religious assembly in an RS-50
09:43:09 residential single-family and CN commercial
09:43:12 neighborhood zoning district in the general vicinity of
09:43:14 3008, 3010 and 3201 east Lake Avenue and 3703, 3707 and
09:43:22 3717 north 30th street in the city of Tampa,
09:43:25 Florida and as more particularly described in section 1
09:43:30 hereof providing an effective date.
09:43:33 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Moved and seconded by councilman
09:43:35 Record your vote.
09:43:52 >>MARY MULHERN: The machine is not working.
09:43:53 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried with Miller being absent.
09:43:57 >>THOMAS SCOTT: 63 has been continued.
09:44:00 Item 64.
09:44:01 Anyone from the public wish to address council on item
09:44:04 Item 64.
09:44:05 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Move to close.
09:44:07 >>MARY MULHERN: Second.
09:44:08 >>THOMAS SCOTT: All in favor?
09:44:10 Councilman Miranda.
09:44:11 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Move an ordinance vacating,
09:44:14 closing, discontinuing, and abandoning a certain
09:44:17 right-of-way all that portion of alleyway lying east of
09:44:20 Florida Avenue and west of Marion street north of he is
09:44:24 steal street, and south of Henderson Avenue in plan of
09:44:27 Mobley's subdivision a subdivision in the City of
09:44:30 Tampa, Hillsborough County Florida the same being more
09:44:33 fully described in section 2 hereof subject to certain
09:44:36 easements covenants conditions and subject to certain
09:44:39 restrictions as more particularly described herein
09:44:42 providing an effective date.
09:44:44 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Record your vote.
09:44:46 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: As substituted.
09:44:47 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried with Miller being absent.
09:44:54 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Item 65.
09:44:54 Anyone who wishes to address council on item 65.
09:44:57 Item 65.
09:44:58 Motion to close.
09:44:59 >> So moved.
09:45:00 >> Second.
09:45:00 >>MARY MULHERN: I move an ordinance being presented
09:45:05 for second reading and adoption, an ordinance approving
09:45:08 a historic preservation property tax exemption
09:45:10 application relative to the restoration, renovation or
09:45:14 rehabilitation of certain property owned by HAMIK and
09:45:19 Arielle Milligan located at 110 west Amelia Avenue
09:45:26 Tampa, Florida in the high pressure Heights historic
09:45:28 district based upon certain findings providing for
09:45:30 notice for the property appraiser of Hillsborough
09:45:32 County providing for severability, providing for repeal
09:45:35 of all ordinances in conflict, providing an effective
09:45:37 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Seconded by councilman Miranda.
09:45:39 Record your vote, please.
09:45:40 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried with Miller being absent.
09:45:45 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Item 66.
09:45:47 >>LaCHONE DOCK: Land Development Coordination.
09:45:53 Council, item 66, 67 and 69 to 71 all require certified
09:45:58 site plans.
09:45:59 Those plans have been certified by the zoning
09:46:02 They have been provided to the clerk.
09:46:03 I have copies of those plans if you have any questions.
09:46:06 Thank you.
09:46:07 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you very much.
09:46:07 Anyone wish to address council?
09:46:09 Item 66.
09:46:10 Motion to close.
09:46:12 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: So moved.
09:46:13 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: Second.
09:46:14 >>THOMAS SCOTT: All in favor?
09:46:15 Item 66.
09:46:17 >>MARY MULHERN: I move an ordinance being presented
09:46:22 for second reading and adoption, an ordinance repealing
09:46:25 ordinance 2000-272 approving a special use permit S-2
09:46:29 for alcoholic beverage sales, small venue making lawful
09:46:32 the sale of beverages containing alcohol of more than
09:46:34 1% by weight and not more than 14% by weight and wines
09:46:38 regardless of alcoholic content beer and wine 2(APS) in
09:46:41 sealed containers for consumption off premises only at
09:46:44 or from that certain lot, plot or tract of land located
09:46:47 at 4850 West Kennedy Boulevard Tampa, Florida as more
09:46:53 particularly described in section 3 hereof providing
09:46:55 for repeal of all ordinances in conflict, providing an
09:46:57 effective date.
09:46:58 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Seconded by councilman Miranda.
09:46:59 Record your vote.
09:47:00 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried with Miller being absent.
09:47:09 >> Item 67.
09:47:12 Anyone from the public wish to address council?
09:47:14 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Move to close.
09:47:19 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Seconded by councilman Caetano. All
09:47:21 in favor?
09:47:22 Item 67.
09:47:23 Councilman Miranda.
09:47:23 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Move an ordinance approving special
09:47:27 use S-2 for alcoholic beverage sales small venue and
09:47:32 making lawful the sale of beverages containing alcohol
09:47:34 of more than 1% by weight and not more than 14% by
09:47:38 weight and Waynes regardless of alcoholic content beer
09:47:41 and wine 2(APS) in sealed containers for consumption
09:47:43 off premises only at or from that certain lot, plot or
09:47:46 tract of land locate at 4320 North Armenia Avenue
09:47:50 Tampa, Florida as more particularly described in
09:47:52 section 2 hereof providing for repeal of all ordinances
09:47:55 in conflict providing an effective date.
09:47:57 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Seconded by councilman Caetano.
09:47:59 Record your vote, please.
09:48:00 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried with Miller being absent.
09:48:06 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Item 68.
09:48:10 Anyone from the public wish to address council on item
09:48:14 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Move to close.
09:48:16 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: Second.
09:48:16 (Motion carried).
09:48:18 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Councilman Miranda.
09:48:19 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Move an ordinance approving a
09:48:22 special use S-1 on appeal from a decision of the zoning
09:48:25 administrator approving an extended family residence in
09:48:28 an RS-60 residential single-family zoning district in
09:48:32 the city of Tampa, Florida and as more particularly
09:48:34 described in section 1 hereof approving waivers as set
09:48:36 forth herein providing an effective date.
09:48:44 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Seconded by Councilwoman Mulhern.
09:48:46 Record your vote.
09:48:47 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried with Miller being absent.
09:48:52 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Item 69.
09:48:56 Anyone from the one public wish to address council on
09:48:59 item 69?
09:49:01 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Move to close.
09:49:03 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Moved and seconded.
09:49:05 All in favor?
09:49:06 Item 69.
09:49:07 Councilman Caetano.
09:49:08 >> An ordinance being presented for second reading and
09:49:11 adoption, an ordinance repealing ordinance 97-87
09:49:15 approving a special use permit S-2 for alcoholic
09:49:17 beverage sales, small venue and making lawful the sale
09:49:20 of beverages containing alcohol of more than 1% by
09:49:23 weight and not more than 14% by weight and wines
09:49:27 regardless of alcoholic content beer and wine 2(COP)
09:49:32 for consumption on premises and in sealed containers
09:49:35 for consumption off premises at or from that certain
09:49:39 lot, plot or tract of land located at 1155 South Dale
09:49:43 Mabry Highway, suite number 12, Tampa, Florida as more
09:49:48 particularly described in section 3 hereof providing
09:49:50 for repeal of all ordinances in conflict, providing an
09:49:52 effective date.
09:49:53 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Seconded by Ms. Mulhern.
09:49:58 Record your vote.
09:49:58 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried with Miller being absent.
09:50:14 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Item 70.
09:50:17 >> Move to close.
09:50:22 >> Second.
09:50:23 >> An ordinance for second reading and adoption, an
09:50:28 ordinance approving a special using permit S-2 for
09:50:31 alcoholic beverage sales small venue and making lawful
09:50:33 the sale of beverages containing alcohol of more than
09:50:36 1% by weight and not more than 14% by weight and wines
09:50:39 regardless of alcoholic content beer and wine 2(COP-R)
09:50:42 for consumption on premises only in connection with a
09:50:45 restaurant business establishment on that certain lot,
09:50:48 plot or tract of land located at 3285 west Hillsborough
09:50:53 Avenue, Tampa, Florida, as more particularly described
09:50:55 in section 2 hereof providing for repeal of all
09:50:58 ordinances in conflict, providing an effective date.
09:51:00 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Seconded by councilman Miranda.
09:51:07 Record your vote.
09:51:07 >> Motion carried with Miller being absent.
09:51:15 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Item 71.
09:51:17 Anyone from the public wish to address council on item
09:51:20 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Move to close.
09:51:22 >>MARY MULHERN: Second.
09:51:23 >>THOMAS SCOTT: All in favor signify by saying Aye.
09:51:26 Councilwoman Mulhern.
09:51:27 >> I move an ordinance approving a special use permit
09:51:31 S-2 for alcoholic beverage sales small venue and making
09:51:34 lawful the sale of beverages containing alcohol of more
09:51:36 than 1% by weight an not more than 14% by weight and
09:51:40 wines regardless of alcoholic contend tent beer and
09:51:43 wine 2(COP-R) for consumption on premises only in
09:51:45 connection with a restaurant business establishment on
09:51:47 that certain lot, plot or tract of land located at 2311
09:51:51 east Fowler Avenue, Tampa, Florida, as more
09:51:54 particularly described in section 2 hereof providing
09:51:57 for repeal of all ordinances in conflict, providing an
09:52:00 effective date.
09:52:00 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Seconded by councilman Miranda.
09:52:02 Record your vote, please.
09:52:03 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried with Miller being absent.
09:52:11 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Item 72.
09:52:13 Item 72.
09:52:14 Anyone wish to address council on item 72?
09:52:17 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Move to close.
09:52:22 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Seconded.
09:52:25 >> Move an ordinance 2008-141 passed and ordained by
09:52:37 City Council of City of Tampa on August 21, 2008
09:52:40 correcting a scrivener's error for substituting the
09:52:43 approved site plan dated August 14, 2008 and the old
09:52:46 site plan dated may 22, 2008 attached to the ordinance
09:52:50 that was supplied in error providing for severability,
09:52:53 providing an effective date.
09:52:53 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Seconded by Councilwoman Mulhern.
09:52:55 Record your vote, please.
09:52:56 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried with Miller being absent.
09:53:03 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Item 73.
09:53:07 >>JULIA COLE: City of Tampa legal department.
09:53:12 I would ask if you could also open number 74 and 75 at
09:53:17 the same time.
09:53:18 >>THOMAS SCOTT: We are open all the way to 75 already.
09:53:20 >>JULIA COLE: Very good.
09:53:22 I will speak for all three items as they are all
09:53:26 As you may recall, I submitted this to you actually
09:53:31 four weeks ago, and what these three items would do is
09:53:34 allow the City of Tampa to settle a case which was
09:53:38 brought by the department of community affairs relating
09:53:41 to a comprehensive plan map amendment which the
09:53:46 department of community affairs challenged.
09:53:49 I am not going to go through my entire presentation
09:53:51 unless there's any question.
09:53:52 I would ask that you vote on items number 74 and 75
09:53:56 prior to voting on item number 73 which is the
09:53:59 resolution approving the settlement agreement.
09:54:02 In addition, I am handing to the clerk attachment 2 to
09:54:07 items number 74 which was accidentally not in the stock
09:54:15 agenda but it is a large map of the property, which
09:54:21 would show the clear zone area which we have been
09:54:24 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Just for clarity of the record,
09:54:26 council, if we can open items 73 through 75.
09:54:29 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: So moved.
09:54:31 >>MARY MULHERN: Second.
09:54:35 >>THOMAS SCOTT: So moved.
09:54:35 Thank you.
09:54:36 >> I am going to hand the item number 74 to the clerk.
09:54:41 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Any questions by council?
09:54:44 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I remember a time a year and a half
09:54:45 or so ago there was a zoning area, that I think this
09:54:50 parcel was left out or something, there was a debate
09:54:53 between the Air Force, the petitioner and the city and
09:54:56 went all the way through the process, and this is a
09:55:00 result of that process?
09:55:01 >>JULIA COLE: This would clarify and a sure that there
09:55:03 is a mapping of the clear zone both on the parcel at
09:55:06 issue and within our comprehensive --
09:55:10 >> Changed something from 35 to --
09:55:13 >> Decision City Council changed from light industrial
09:55:17 to CMU 35.
09:55:19 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
09:55:21 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Anyone from the public wish to address
09:55:22 council on items 73?
09:55:28 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Mr. Chairman, we ought to do 74 and
09:55:30 75 first and then go back to the resolution.
09:55:31 >> I am requesting you read those ordinances prior.
09:55:35 >>THOMAS SCOTT: That's fine.
09:55:36 Does anyone wish to address council on item 74 or 75?
09:55:40 Anyone wish to address council on item 74 or 75?
09:55:44 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Move to close, Mr. Chairman.
09:55:46 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: Second.
09:55:47 >>THOMAS SCOTT: All in favor?
09:55:49 Councilman Miranda.
09:55:50 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Along with the addition of the map
09:55:53 I move item 74 that's included on that map.
09:55:57 An ordinance a amending ordinance 2008-144 which
09:56:02 amended the Tampa comprehensive plan, future land use
09:56:04 element, future land use map, for the property located
09:56:08 in the general vicinity of Interbay Boulevard abutting
09:56:12 MacDill Air Force Base between Lois Avenue and Dale
09:56:15 Mabry highway from light industrial L-1 to community
09:56:19 mixed use 35, CMU 35, providing for additional
09:56:22 conditions of development, providing for repeal of all
09:56:25 ordinances in conflict, providing for severability,
09:56:27 providing an effective date.
09:56:28 >>MARY MULHERN: Second.
09:56:32 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Record your vote.
09:56:37 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: That was for second hearing.
09:56:42 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried with Miller being absent.
09:56:45 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Item 75.
09:56:50 Councilman Caetano.
09:56:50 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: An ordinance for second reading
09:56:51 and adoption, an ordinance of the city of Tampa,
09:56:53 Florida amending the Tampa comprehensive plan, future
09:56:57 land use element by revising objective 19.7 and
09:57:02 associated policies as more particularly described in
09:57:05 section 2 below, providing for severability, providing
09:57:09 an effective date.
09:57:10 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Second.
09:57:13 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Moved and seconded.
09:57:15 Record your vote.
09:57:18 Record your vote.
09:57:28 >>THE CLERK: The motion to close earlier was for both
09:57:30 items, 74 and 75.
09:57:33 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Yes.
09:57:33 We just read the ordinance 75.
09:57:35 We voted.
09:57:35 >>THE CLERK: One more vote.
09:57:38 >>THOMAS SCOTT: We need one more vote?
09:57:41 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I voted three tiles.
09:57:48 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: Maybe I voted too early so I'll
09:57:51 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried with Miller being absent.
09:58:03 >>THOMAS SCOTT: We are back to 73.
09:58:06 Move the resolution.
09:58:07 >> So moved.
09:58:09 >> Second.
09:58:10 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Moved and seconded.
09:58:12 All in favor?
09:58:16 Let me just ask the administration, we are going to
09:58:19 take about a ten-minute break, because of the hard work
09:58:23 of this council, moving swiftly.
09:58:29 And unanimously this morning.
09:58:30 I think we deserve a ten-minute break.
09:58:32 We stand in recess until about 10:15.
09:58:36 Ask the administration to come over earlier today.
09:58:41 (Brief recess)
09:58:42 >>THOMAS SCOTT: We are back in order.
10:22:24 Roll call.
10:22:24 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: Here.
10:22:26 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Here.
10:22:27 >>MARY MULHERN: Here.
10:22:28 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Here.
10:22:33 We go to our 10:30 items.
10:22:36 Staff reports.
10:22:37 Item 76.
10:22:38 >>JULIA COLE: City of Tampa legal department.
10:22:44 I have submitted to council for council's review and
10:22:46 consideration amendment to your pain management clinic
10:22:49 ordinance in which I add a provision which requires
10:22:52 disclosure on the part of an owner or operator of a
10:22:55 pain management clinic as to whether or not they have a
10:22:58 business interest in a pharmacy within the State of
10:23:02 In addition I have added in an operational requirement
10:23:05 that indicates that the medical director of the pain
10:23:11 management clinic cannot prescribe more than 72 hours
10:23:15 worth of medication except as provided under Florida
10:23:19 As many of you are aware, Florida statutes recently
10:23:22 changed to add in some additional provisions relating
10:23:24 to physicians who work within pain management clinics
10:23:28 and one of the items which was add in the Florida
10:23:30 statute relates to how many pills could be prescribed
10:23:33 at a certain time, and there are exceptions within
10:23:35 Florida statute, but that is added within our ordinance
10:23:41 along with City Council's motion.
10:23:42 I'm available for any questions.
10:23:43 Oh, I'm sorry.
10:23:44 In addition, I'm asking that you place this on first
10:23:46 reading consideration for the next regular agenda,
10:23:49 which is July 29th.
10:23:51 Thank you.
10:23:53 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Mr. Chairman, this is exactly what
10:23:55 we asked for some time back.
10:23:57 We had the emergency ordinance to stop the creature
10:24:03 from spreading and we went through the process of the
10:24:05 ordinance that we face on second reading today, and
10:24:07 this would be a clean-up of the ordinance whereby it
10:24:11 has more disclosures to it, so that the city and the
10:24:14 public is well aware in the city for the health safety
10:24:20 and welfare of the citizens and the neighborhoods.
10:24:23 This would allow the city to get more information
10:24:25 regarding the individual who was the proprietor, has to
10:24:33 sign on the lessor and the lessee, and the medical
10:24:41 director I believe has somehow changed the clinic, must
10:24:46 notify the city, I believe if I remember, within ten
10:24:48 days, if there's a change in medical directorship and
10:24:51 who the medical director is going to be.
10:24:53 So it's being run as a business, not as a pill mill.
10:24:58 And I think the majority of the people in the City of
10:25:02 Tampa, the variety majority of the people of the City
10:25:05 of Tampa, is well aware of the problems that are going
10:25:08 on throughout this nation, not only here in the City of
10:25:11 Tampa, but if you look at the deaths that have been
10:25:18 reported in this country on legalized prescription
10:25:21 medication that have caused these deaths, the numbers
10:25:25 are astounding.
10:25:27 And what we are trying to do is public safety and
10:25:30 welfare of our citizens, and to stop these individuals
10:25:32 to come in from different states in the country to buy
10:25:36 these pills and go out and sell them for huge profits
10:25:39 of anywhere upwards of $50 a pill.
10:25:43 So this is what's going on in this state.
10:25:46 The state has taken action, which the laws that Ms.
10:25:50 Cole just spoke about will come into effect.
10:25:52 This parallels the state on the 72 hours with
10:25:55 exceptions, of course, and I recommend this to be
10:25:58 passed on first reading.
10:26:00 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Well, let me also thank councilman
10:26:03 Miranda for his leadership on this issue.
10:26:06 You know he brought this to our attention I guess about
10:26:09 a month ago or so now, and led the charge on getting
10:26:15 the involvement of our legal counsel's advice as we
10:26:19 move forward on this issue.
10:26:22 I want to thank you for your leadership on this.
10:26:23 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
10:26:25 >>THOMAS SCOTT: So then we need a motion.
10:26:26 Do we need a motion, Ms. Cole, to set the hearing right
10:26:30 for --
10:26:32 >>MARTIN SHELBY: You can do it by motion.
10:26:34 >>THOMAS SCOTT: July 29th.
10:26:36 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I move the hearing be set on July
10:26:38 29th for first ordinance appearance for reading on
10:26:43 first ordinance and consideration by this council.
10:26:44 >>MARTIN SHELBY: This would show up on a consent
10:26:51 docket, does not require a hearing.
10:26:53 >>> It would occur at second hearing.
10:26:58 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Seconded by councilman Caetano.
10:27:02 (Motion carried)
10:27:03 Item 77.
10:27:04 Mr. Santiago Corrada.
10:27:06 >> Santiago Corrada, administrator.
10:27:10 It's my pleasure this morning to provide a progress
10:27:12 report on the fee schedule related to parks and
10:27:17 Scent to your last meeting, and even after that
10:27:20 meeting, the mayor and staff have been in discussions
10:27:24 analyzing the fees and their impact on certain
10:27:28 On July 8th the mayor sent a memo to council with
10:27:31 reference to rolling back some fees for those impacted
10:27:34 I would like to elaborate a little bit on that
10:27:38 With regards to the after-school program, which begins
10:27:41 August 24th for us, if a youngster has a parks and
10:27:45 rec card, a $15 rec card and lasts from the date of
10:27:53 purchase for a year, those young people would be
10:27:55 allowed to enroll in our after-school programs for free
10:27:58 at no charge.
10:27:59 So that is reversing to the trend in 2009 where
10:28:02 after-school programs were free of charge.
10:28:04 For the summer program next year, we are rolling back
10:28:07 the 2009 where again if a young person has that rec
10:28:12 card for $15 a year, they would be able to enjoy nine
10:28:15 weeks of summer programming for $70 for the entire
10:28:19 summer, and if they qualify for the reduced rate, $35
10:28:23 for the entire summer.
10:28:24 With regards to open swim, anyone next year with a $15
10:28:30 rec card would be allowed to swim for free during open
10:28:33 swim time, and for seniors, we are rolling back any
10:28:37 program fees that are enacted through the parks and rec
10:28:41 department through the fees that we had in place in
10:28:44 In addition, Karen Palus did have follow-up
10:28:47 conversation with Dr. Greenbaum regarding how we might
10:28:49 be able to collaborate with some of the studies they
10:28:52 are doing at USF and their impacts on our community,
10:28:54 and there really wasn't any reason to get together to
10:28:57 streamline financial assistance, because we are rolling
10:29:00 back for those impacted programs.
10:29:02 We won't have that financial assistance so it won't be
10:29:05 necessary because youngsters will be able to use those
10:29:07 after-school programs for free and roll back to the
10:29:09 very, very low rates that we had in 2009 for the summer
10:29:12 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Councilwoman Mulhern, councilman
10:29:16 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you.
10:29:17 I was very happy.
10:29:19 I was getting phone calls on our break about this, and
10:29:22 I was thrilled to hear about it.
10:29:23 And thank you for the memo that you got me just
10:29:33 yesterday about the fees, the numbers.
10:29:35 I don't think we really need to go over these at this
10:29:37 point, since you are rolling back, but I do have a
10:29:39 couple of questions.
10:29:43 And I think you said this, but I just want to make
10:29:48 The after-school programs for this fall, the rollbacks,
10:29:54 the no charge starts August 24th.
10:29:57 >> August 24th.
10:29:58 In order for to us do that, we will be bringing an
10:30:00 amended fee schedule to City Council either on the
10:30:04 29th of July or first meeting in August because
10:30:07 wave to roll back that fee to zero, what it was in
10:30:10 So we will be bringing that amended fee schedule with
10:30:12 all the changes that I have referenced today for you.
10:30:15 >> I would like to ask you if we could get that a week
10:30:18 ahead of voting on it.
10:30:19 >> Yes, ma'am.
10:30:20 >> That would be great.
10:30:23 Another question.
10:30:27 What I think we need to see still, because we have been
10:30:32 talking about this since it happened, and I do need to
10:30:36 point out that I asked and everybody asking since I
10:30:41 think January to roll back these fees.
10:30:44 So we lost half a school year, more than half a school
10:30:48 year -- or we lost attendance for last school year, and
10:30:53 for this summer, because of that.
10:30:56 And I know that council doesn't get to set
10:31:03 administration policy, but we did approve those fees,
10:31:06 and ask that if they became onerous that they get
10:31:11 rolled back.
10:31:12 So I just want to make it clear to the public that the
10:31:14 council has been trying to do this for a while, and I
10:31:18 for one am very sorry that a lot of parents, children
10:31:21 and seniors were left out for this year.
10:31:28 The other question then becomes -- what a lot of
10:31:34 concerns we heard voiced were from people in the
10:31:36 communities who were concerned that their actual
10:31:40 centers and programs were being eliminated.
10:31:42 And so I know that there has been -- although you may
10:31:47 be able to get the numbers back for attendance for some
10:31:51 of the programs, after-school programs, and what's left
10:31:55 of the summer programs for next year, we have, I think,
10:32:01 lost a lot of attendance because of the fees that were
10:32:05 in place already.
10:32:07 So I would like to see the numbers as far as how many
10:32:14 centers, programs, and by nature of centers closed or
10:32:23 programs eliminated, how many people have actually
10:32:28 dropped out of the parks programming because of that.
10:32:31 Because I think we can correct the fee problem.
10:32:34 But if there's no longer anywhere for them to go,
10:32:37 that's a problem.
10:32:39 And I understand where we are in our budget situation.
10:32:44 But the reality is by raising those fees, attendance
10:32:50 dropped, and then the programs were closed.
10:32:55 And that was not, I don't think, coincidental.
10:32:59 And I think that commitment to this programming is
10:33:03 either here or not.
10:33:04 So that's the big question for me.
10:33:08 So when you come back with the fee schedule, I would
10:33:10 like to see those numbers.
10:33:13 >> And mayor Councilwoman, what we will do -- and we
10:33:16 have alluded to this before -- enrollment fix don't
10:33:20 match attendance figures and that's been our big
10:33:24 We enroll a lot more than we see on a daily basis or
10:33:27 weekly basis.
10:33:28 So we'll get those numbers for you.
10:33:29 I must say we have not closed a lot of programs.
10:33:32 We don't have any intentions right now to close any
10:33:35 We do have reduced capacity because we have laid off
10:33:38 and cut staff.
10:33:40 But right now, what we'll do is we'll look at capacity
10:33:42 numbers at those sites.
10:33:44 And if we have to move staff because we have larger
10:33:46 facilities and more attendees at a different location,
10:33:49 in order to accommodate those numbers, we move staff
10:33:51 around like we have done traditionally.
10:33:53 We really don't have any plans to shut any programs
10:33:55 down, any centers down at this point in time.
10:33:58 We are looking to come back to this free status and see
10:34:01 what those numbers are, and hopefully the attendance
10:34:04 will jump back up and we'll see more children on a
10:34:07 consistent basis rather than huge enrollment numbers
10:34:09 and attendance being very low, because that happens,
10:34:13 you know.
10:34:13 When a program is free you can enroll and decide to
10:34:15 come once or twice a month, three times a month, and
10:34:18 there isn't that consistent attendance, and then you
10:34:21 might be taking up the place of somebody who really
10:34:23 needs to be there every day on a weekly basis.
10:34:25 So we are going to have to monitor that.
10:34:27 >> Well, you need to do your best to pull those numbers
10:34:29 together for us.
10:34:30 I can't, you know, tell you how to do that.
10:34:33 You know better than me.
10:34:42 Is that what you're thinking, why stop now?
10:34:45 >> You're on a roll.
10:34:46 >>MARY MULHERN: One other thing I was going to ask.
10:34:50 Because it's news, and this isn't going to solve the
10:34:56 problem, but it needs to be posted pretty prominently
10:35:08 where programs used to be and are that the fee schedule
10:35:10 is going back.
10:35:11 >> After the mayor released a memo there were a couple
10:35:14 of newspaper articles on it.
10:35:15 We'll make sure we'll continue to elaborate and make
10:35:18 sure everyone understands that for the after-school
10:35:20 program, very affordable again, and for the
10:35:22 after-school program, it's free of charge of with a rec
10:35:25 >> Okay.
10:35:26 That's good, because I think as you said the
10:35:29 attendance, people just show up.
10:35:31 So the best place to post that is there, and hopefully
10:35:36 the people who were not able to attend for the past
10:35:38 year will come back to the parks.
10:35:41 That's the challenge.
10:35:49 So thank you.
10:35:50 And I want to thank all of the citizens who came here
10:35:52 to ask for this, because it wouldn't have happened if
10:35:55 people hadn't come to council over and over and over
10:35:58 again to support these programs and thank the mayor for
10:36:03 honoring her commitment to roll back the fees if need
10:36:07 >> Thank you, Councilwoman.
10:36:09 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
10:36:14 Thanks to you and your administrative abilities and the
10:36:16 Mayor Iorio, we have taken some bold steps here to
10:36:18 rectify this situation.
10:36:22 If I have to read all the things you do, council would
10:36:26 kill me because I would take an hour
10:36:30 But what you said is the fact, enrollment and
10:36:33 participation are two different things.
10:36:35 And solving that is something that's difficult, because
10:36:40 you may have a class that's overfilled, and enrollment
10:36:46 was, let's say, 100 but it's only working at 75%
10:36:50 So there's 50 more that want to come in, and they
10:36:54 should be able to come in because the enrollment is
10:36:56 high and no one -- 25% of them are not showing up.
10:37:00 Somehow, I think that if you don't attend, somebody is
10:37:04 going to take your spot.
10:37:05 I think that would only be the right thing to do.
10:37:07 But it's hard to do.
10:37:10 For me to say it's real simple, unless you are the one
10:37:12 being bumped out, because it becomes simple then.
10:37:15 Thank God I'm not the one who has got to tell them.
10:37:18 But and I'm not questioning the numbers at all.
10:37:23 I think they are fair and equitable.
10:37:24 What I'm talking about is a financial matter.
10:37:26 If we had -- I don't know the numbers of seniors and
10:37:29 disabled that were involved from outside the city prior
10:37:33 to the increase.
10:37:35 And the only thing I think that if we could get a look
10:37:38 at that, your department can look at it, and find out
10:37:42 on a monetary basis, if the fee is so bad, there's an
10:37:50 old saying you cut your nose to spite your face or
10:37:55 something like that, and I don't want to see if we are
10:37:58 a capacity of 10 and we go to 40 or 50, the same amount
10:38:02 of fees, therefore it would give the centers more
10:38:04 accessibility and more, you know, feeling when you go
10:38:12 there with your friends and that's why I would like to
10:38:14 see if you can bring this back in two weeks or
10:38:16 something like that, I would be really be appreciative
10:38:19 of that.
10:38:19 That's only for seniors in the city that are paying the
10:38:24 higher rate, and that's way want to see if we can
10:38:27 equate to health, but at the same time we are helping
10:38:30 If the numbers come in like I think they could come in
10:38:32 that we dropped so far that the fee is not generating
10:38:35 any calls for revenue then I think it would be
10:38:40 equitable to review that.
10:38:42 >> Thank you, councilman.
10:38:44 That's a fair request.
10:38:45 We'll look at Barksdale how many seniors we lost that
10:38:48 were out-of-city residents that impact that center.
10:38:52 Again we trade to work with them.
10:38:55 We didn't do the 115 at one shot.
10:38:57 We went seasonally.
10:38:58 We'll take a look to see how many we lost.
10:39:00 >> I appreciate that very much.
10:39:03 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Let me just say, Santiago, and thank
10:39:05 you and the administration for the rollback of those
10:39:10 I think we all know you do an incredible job, great
10:39:13 job, the staff.
10:39:14 Thank you for all that you do.
10:39:16 However, I do think that a lot of the credit goes to
10:39:19 this council and to Mary Mulhern in general, because
10:39:23 they kept raising the issue and raising rolling back
10:39:26 the fees.
10:39:27 In fact, we discussed that at more than one meeting, of
10:39:30 rolling those fees back.
10:39:31 Council talked about it and listened about rolling
10:39:36 those fees back so I think council deserves some of the
10:39:39 credit from that because it was to listen to the
10:39:42 constituents who came here week after week who kept
10:39:44 raising that issue.
10:39:45 And even for the seniors, Mr. Miranda, relative to
10:39:49 seniors, so I think the leadership of this council, and
10:39:52 those who serve on this, those that are not here, are
10:39:55 very much concerned about parks and rec, which is a
10:39:59 quality of life issue for us.
10:40:01 As a result of that, the administration heard that, and
10:40:06 what the citizens were saying and also heard council's
10:40:09 concern and decided to roll those fees back.
10:40:12 So I believe that that is so important that when we can
10:40:16 work together as a team for the betterment of this
10:40:19 community, for the city, that's what's important
10:40:23 And I again want to thank you, the mayor and the
10:40:26 administration for this effort.
10:40:29 And I think the citizens really will appreciate those
10:40:34 fees and rollback, because again it is a quality of
10:40:36 life issue for us, for our citizens to go to parks.
10:40:41 >>> Thank you, honorable members, for your support.
10:40:48 Have a great day.
10:40:49 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Moving right along.
10:40:51 Item 78.
10:40:55 Solid waste department.
10:40:56 >> Good morning, council.
10:41:00 Tonja Brickhouse, solid waste and environmental program
10:41:03 management director.
10:41:05 I know that the city attorney's office, the city
10:41:09 attorney Chip Fletcher has provided a memo as relates
10:41:13 to the noise ordinance and I'm here to address any
10:41:15 other concerns that maybe that didn't clear up.
10:41:18 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much for appearing
10:41:25 and also for the memo that we received.
10:41:33 Not really on this issue but on other issues that I
10:41:35 always feel that the general public rules should be
10:41:39 applied to the same standard as governmental rules.
10:41:42 I am not going to tell you I'm right.
10:41:44 It just the way I feel.
10:41:46 So when I look at the memo that I received, I remember
10:41:49 reading it, and it stated that government and other
10:41:52 entities, not only government, but other commercial
10:41:55 entities had a clause in there that they were exempt.
10:42:00 Am I correct so far?
10:42:07 So then I asked this.
10:42:08 In most cases, you can't start a job till 7 in the
10:42:12 morning Monday through Friday, and I think ending at
10:42:14 sometime 8:00 or 9:00.
10:42:16 I read so many things.
10:42:18 And the second one, on weekend, you can't start till an
10:42:21 hour or two later, something to that effect.
10:42:24 But when we look at ourselves, and I try to do that, I
10:42:29 can experience, tell you by experience that sometimes
10:42:33 at a quarter till five in the morning, no later than
10:42:35 five in the morning, there was a dumpster, the vehicle
10:42:39 that picks up the dumpster, that make -- and we are not
10:42:42 talking about what was written in the memo about noise
10:42:46 from the muffler or tail pipe hanging or something to
10:42:50 That's really part of it but not the whole part.
10:42:52 The whole part is that when we pick it up that early in
10:42:56 the morning, and most of the neighborhoods in the
10:42:59 cities have a lot of elderly people.
10:43:03 Not that we are elderly here, of course.
10:43:05 But what I'm saying is that I wake up in the morning at
10:43:08 5:30 whether I want to or not.
10:43:09 Maybe I'm becoming one of those elderly individuals.
10:43:12 But I also go to bed early.
10:43:15 So what I'm saying is it did have an effect on the
10:43:20 quality of life of my neighbors and myself, and I don't
10:43:26 see why we have that.
10:43:27 I don't see why -- those trucks are air conditioned,
10:43:31 aren't they?
10:43:31 >> Yes.
10:43:32 >> And they are heated, aren't they?
10:43:34 They have the amenities that all the vehicles have in
10:43:36 the fleet.
10:43:37 So if this was a car passing by, no, you wouldn't hear
10:43:42 But when it picks it up and you hear the dump and you
10:43:46 back out, the noise does carry to a lot more than just
10:43:49 the surrounding areas.
10:43:50 I don't know what 85 decibels are as far as you telling
10:43:54 me what it is.
10:43:55 Yeah, 85 is something less than 100.
10:43:57 But when you listen to it, it may be 200.
10:44:01 But you think it's 85.
10:44:04 I don't know.
10:44:05 >>CHARLES FLETCHER: If I may, Mr. Chairman.
10:44:08 Most of the dumpsters are commercial dumpsters.
10:44:11 I don't know if this one was or not.
10:44:14 But if it was, chances are that it would have been by a
10:44:18 commercial vendor which we do have time constraints on
10:44:21 in our contracts.
10:44:22 They should not have been collecting the before 6:00.
10:44:27 We do have some additional vendors that are hired
10:44:29 directly by property owners that operate through permit
10:44:33 by the city.
10:44:34 Some of those have time constraints in them.
10:44:36 Some of them don't.
10:44:37 I think one of the things we could do is go back and
10:44:39 make sure that all those permits have time constraints
10:44:41 so they are not coming at 5:00 in the morning.
10:44:44 >> These were not commercial vendors.
10:44:46 They were city vendors.
10:44:48 But that's all I want to say.
10:44:49 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Okay.
10:44:53 Anything else?
10:44:53 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: If you want to go uniformly with
10:45:00 the commercial vendors, then I don't think we should be
10:45:02 any different than the commercial vendors.
10:45:04 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Is it your desire then to ask council
10:45:08 the legal department bring back a code change?
10:45:11 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I think it's more than my desire.
10:45:13 I think it ought to be -- and I'm not one for dragging
10:45:16 things out or having meetings, but we only have four
10:45:19 council members and I'm not going to take center stage.
10:45:24 I would rather we have seven members present for the
10:45:27 benefit of all, and an audience that all of us
10:45:31 including the department head and the legal department
10:45:34 can address.
10:45:35 That's the only reason I would not -- I think it would
10:45:38 be proper for only four of us to vote on this one here,
10:45:41 because it's something that's coming up.
10:45:46 Not something already on the agenda.
10:45:47 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Is it your desire to bring this back
10:45:49 at a future date or would you like it placed on the
10:45:51 future agenda?
10:45:53 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I would like it oh to come back
10:45:56 whenever these new members, whoever they would be,
10:45:58 would have at least a month and a half under their belt
10:46:00 so they can understand.
10:46:01 I don't know who is going to get selected.
10:46:03 Notice I didn't say elected, I said selected, are.
10:46:08 >>MARTIN SHELBY: If it's your desire you can either
10:46:10 make a motion to bring it back today or just Virginia
10:46:12 it brought back at a future date.
10:46:15 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Let me do this.
10:46:17 Let me bring this up at a later date, two weeks.
10:46:20 Let me have a conversation with the department with
10:46:25 Tanya and we'll go from there, and just let it die for
10:46:29 >>TONJA BRICKHOUSE: We'll get something.
10:46:32 Thanks again for the opportunity to present this
10:46:34 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you very much.
10:46:35 Item 79.
10:46:41 This is the issue of the truck signs on Bayshore.
10:46:48 >>JEAN DORZBACK: Transportation division.
10:46:50 I submitted a report that outlines the additional
10:46:52 signage that was placed out in the area with the legal
10:46:57 aide in deterring truck traffic on Bayshore Boulevard.
10:47:00 We have also communicated this information with the
10:47:02 police traffic squad, which we feel will allow them to
10:47:07 more effectively enforce the truck route.
10:47:09 So we received public comment already.
10:47:14 If there are any questions, I will be glad to take it.
10:47:17 >>MARY MULHERN: I just want to thank you for doing
10:47:20 That's great.
10:47:21 And Ms. Lyons, you made her happy.
10:47:25 And I know the Bayshore task force before I was on
10:47:29 council, four, five years ago, so I'm seeing you
10:47:33 implement some of the recommendations, and we are all
10:47:37 very happy about it.
10:47:38 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Next?
10:47:44 Item 80.
10:47:51 >>CATHERINE COYLE: City of Tampa zoning administrator.
10:47:54 I am here actually for items 80, 81 and 84, if you
10:48:01 would like me to just address them all together.
10:48:03 80 and 81 are actually related.
10:48:06 81 specifically, there was a motion made about a month
10:48:09 ago or so that we come back to discuss the memo that
10:48:13 came from Walter Crumbley that is actually included in
10:48:16 the packet that was transmitted to you after the June
10:48:18 24th meeting.
10:48:20 He got that as a result of the workshops that we held.
10:48:22 And we did hold workshops in council chambers May
10:48:26 19th and June 2nd at council's direction in the
10:48:30 original motion for March.
10:48:31 And we discussed a lot of different issues having to do
10:48:33 with alcohol.
10:48:35 We did receive -- and they are contained in the packets
10:48:38 that I sent last month as well -- letters from
10:48:41 Westshore alliance, Mr. Crumbley and Spencer Kass.
10:48:44 There's also the sign-in sheets from the two meetings
10:48:46 to show you the various people that attended.
10:48:49 I also included all the documentation that we presented
10:48:52 at the workshops including the original March 25th
10:48:57 workshop, which was when I went over the fees that we
10:49:01 found in the research that we did over the past year,
10:49:05 looking at geography of the cities and counties around
10:49:10 the state, looking at alcoholic beverage district and
10:49:12 how other location as round the state treated them, the
10:49:15 usage of the alcohol and uses on the property that are
10:49:20 the principal uses that sell alcohol and how other
10:49:23 jurisdictions treat them, and also distance
10:49:27 Included with that was the table that was produced by
10:49:31 Ms. Kert, looking at the 20 or so jurisdictions that
10:49:36 you looked at around the state.
10:49:39 We followed up with those two workshops, May 19th
10:49:42 and June 2nd, and we went through the information
10:49:45 that we showed you in March, and we followed that up
10:49:47 with some additional information and a work sheet that
10:49:52 we went through that looked at specifically starting
10:49:55 with where we start with all of our regulations as a
10:49:59 comprehensive plan, and how the city and the future
10:50:03 planning of the city lays out.
10:50:06 I'll go through this briefly.
10:50:08 This is a city format contained within the
10:50:10 comprehensive plan.
10:50:10 And what this map shows you are the planning districts,
10:50:13 the urban villages, all the other city components that
10:50:16 have very specific goals, objectives and policies that
10:50:20 really tells you certain types and uses are targeted
10:50:26 throughout the city.
10:50:26 We took that as we do with all the regulations that we
10:50:29 do, and we figured out and laid out a scenario for the
10:50:33 people that attended the meetings and the others that
10:50:36 got the information, asking them basically very basic
10:50:40 questions, get them to understand what the city format,
10:50:42 understanding what those policies and objectives are,
10:50:44 understanding what the state regulations are for the
10:50:47 licensing of the establishments, what the comparable
10:50:50 requirements are around the state an other
10:50:52 jurisdictions, and then understanding that there's
10:50:56 always the overarching desire to streamline, update and
10:51:03 make sure we get people through our system as
10:51:06 efficiently as possible and get the right answer at the
10:51:11 What we did is we looked at those uses within our city,
10:51:15 and then talked about what conditions should apply to
10:51:18 those types of uses, and what it boiled down to was the
10:51:21 first three ages of the June 24th report with what
10:51:25 we identified, and we had a pretty broad array of
10:51:29 We had neighborhood presidents and people from T.H.A.N.
10:51:32 We did have the Westshore alliance, attended, several
10:51:37 land use people that attended, businesses, and we also
10:51:42 had basic business interests, people that actually own
10:51:45 businesses that sold alcohol or anticipating it.
10:51:49 We took all the comments and compiled them into the
10:51:54 uses that were generally accepted, understanding once
10:51:56 again state law and how things are licensed, hotels of
10:52:02 100-plus rooms, things that are generally accepted and
10:52:05 anticipated in certain areas of the city, bowling
10:52:08 alleys have a special license from the state, package
10:52:11 sales have certain types of licenses, and that could be
10:52:13 allowed with certain conditions around the city,
10:52:16 treating bars, lounges and night clubs, which are
10:52:19 traditionally the ones that create the most concern,
10:52:23 the most issues that come before council on a regular
10:52:25 basis are those that relate to full alcohol sales,
10:52:29 drink specials and so on, those that you hear from all
10:52:32 different types of neighborhoods from around the city,
10:52:34 looking at treating bars, lounges and night clubs which
10:52:36 the principal use of that business is to sell alcohol.
10:52:40 Treating those as special uses that come before you,
10:52:42 really no matter where they are in the city, with the
10:52:44 exception of the downtown where there are some
10:52:49 Some bars can go through administrative process.
10:52:51 When you cap the threshold of -- we had three per
10:52:56 block, and with certain occupant loads, then you would
10:53:00 come before council.
10:53:02 Special restaurant licenses.
10:53:04 The SRX license that the state issues.
10:53:08 Restaurants are also a big issue in certain areas of
10:53:09 the city.
10:53:13 What we have is anyone that can get an SRX with certain
10:53:16 conditions, certain closing times throughout the city,
10:53:19 no outdoor amplified music, looking at that as a
10:53:23 special permit.
10:53:24 And so on.
10:53:25 Distance separations.
10:53:26 (Bell sounds)
10:53:27 Sorry, I didn't mean to be so long. Anyway, these
10:53:30 recommendations are going to be included in the July
10:53:32 cycle, and I'm coming back today to answer any
10:53:36 questions that you had time over the last few weeks to
10:53:38 review it.
10:53:39 And I did receive an additional e-mail from Westshore
10:53:42 alliance just clarifying a couple of questions, and
10:53:45 this is from Ann Culick from a the Westshore alliance,
10:53:50 and she commented in her e-mail to me saying hopefully
10:53:53 council will keep moving the process along.
10:53:56 So I'll offer those items.
10:53:57 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Questions by council?
10:54:02 >>MARY MULHERN: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
10:54:04 Ms. Coyle, I am just looking at Walter Crumbley's memo.
10:54:12 And can you address -- he has numbered 1, 2, 3, 4, what
10:54:19 he would like to see.
10:54:20 And I know you are meeting with other people and he's
10:54:24 not writing the code for us, but I would like to hear
10:54:27 your thoughts and if you are not, don't think that
10:54:36 these recommendations, number one was limiting
10:54:38 buildings to three or 4,000 square feet and
10:54:43 single-story, you know, and I don't want to take up a
10:54:47 lot of time right now, but maybe if you could just give
10:54:51 us a memo with your responses to those specific things,
10:54:56 and if you have already, you know, worked this out with
10:54:59 him or whatever, that's fine, too.
10:55:01 But just so that I can check those off as having been
10:55:06 addressed and where you have been on those.
10:55:10 And what you are recommending to us.
10:55:12 >>CATHERINE COYLE: I can follow up with a memo.
10:55:13 >>MARY MULHERN: That would be great.
10:55:15 Just those four.
10:55:15 It's a one-page memo.
10:55:17 So all you have to do is answer those four things, and
10:55:19 that would help.
10:55:21 >>CATHERINE COYLE: Okay.
10:55:22 Did you want me to address item 84 quickly as well by
10:55:30 Mr. Miranda?
10:55:31 Briefly I sent that the through to you earlier this
10:55:35 And we did look at -- and I personally do recognize
10:55:38 that there are issues with recycling type facilities.
10:55:43 Our definitions for -- they are outdated.
10:55:46 They are a couple decades old.
10:55:48 And technology has changed.
10:55:49 Business interests changed.
10:55:50 Especially as businesses try to become greener, people
10:55:54 are recycling more materials.
10:55:56 I went through and there's a bunch of research that was
10:56:01 In the new process for use determinations, we are to
10:56:05 look at the North American industry classification
10:56:07 manual as well as the American planning association
10:56:10 land use-based standards to look at how uses are
10:56:14 treated nationally and even internationally.
10:56:21 We did find that we were pretty much in line as far as
10:56:21 the use classification as far as material, recycling
10:56:27 type facilities.
10:56:28 However, where they are placed in our code as far as
10:56:30 what districts they are allowed in, we were
10:56:34 overrestricting them to some degree.
10:56:36 So what you see in front of you is having recovery
10:56:41 facility in IG and recycling nonhazardous materials and
10:56:45 goods, add permitted uses in IG and industrial general
10:56:50 district with certain conditions.
10:56:52 And these conditions are just briefly with material
10:56:55 recovery facility, that is typically the general
10:56:58 household goods that are recycled -- bottles, cans,
10:57:03 paper, glass.
10:57:04 And we did add including scrap metal, tubing and
10:57:08 What happens is that particular type of material
10:57:10 doesn't really have a home in what we do in our code
10:57:13 currently, so I do want to include those materials
10:57:16 based on the research that was done.
10:57:18 Including a minimum lot area 10,000 square feet which
10:57:21 is typically a commercial general lot area, open
10:57:27 storage and he processing areas that are not entirely
10:57:30 in enclosed buildings, do have to be screened and
10:57:35 buffered appropriately, but if you are within 500 feet
10:57:38 of a zoning district that you start your operation
10:57:41 between seven and seven on Sunday through Thursday and
10:57:45 seven and nine Friday and Saturday.
10:57:47 These operations do generate a certain amount of noise.
10:57:49 So there is some consideration, just as we do with
10:57:53 crematoriums a couple of years ago, that had a 500-foot
10:57:57 separation from residential.
10:57:58 Recycling nonhazardous does include dismantling of
10:58:04 wrecked or inoperative vehicles.
10:58:05 The difference between that and a junk yard, a typical
10:58:09 junk yard or salvage yard or scrapyards is that these
10:58:11 people will not be storing them on their property for
10:58:14 any length of time longer than six months.
10:58:17 A junkyard facility, which is only in industrial heavy,
10:58:20 heavy industrial type district, you can store those
10:58:24 types of equipment forever, essentially, with minor
10:58:30 So this is essentially processing those materials,
10:58:34 processing those wrecked vehicles, carving them up,
10:58:37 packaging them up and shipping them off, which we found
10:58:40 when we researched this, and found we visited a lot of
10:58:43 these sites, that is something that is occurring,
10:58:46 especially in Drew Park and other parts of the city and
10:58:49 industrial lands where there just isn't a home for it
10:58:53 other than industrial heavy, and we have very limited
10:58:56 industrial heavy lands in the city.
10:58:58 Industrial general is a little more prevalent.
10:59:01 However, when compared to the county and other
10:59:03 jurisdiction as round the state, we are a little more
10:59:07 overrestrictive than a lot of the other places so we
10:59:10 felt this was a good balance with these additional
10:59:13 conditions and we are going to be including this in the
10:59:15 July cycle for consideration based on the motion made
10:59:18 by council and the research that was done.
10:59:20 We also did receive comments from the Drew Park
10:59:24 advisory committee, from the CRA, and from TIA, Tampa
10:59:28 International Airport.
10:59:29 They had no objection to the changes as well.
10:59:32 With that, before I take any questions, I wanted to put
10:59:37 it out there that I am hoping to go ahead and schedule
10:59:40 the text amendment workshop on October 28th, if
10:59:43 possible, to go over these and the additional changes
10:59:45 in the cycle.
10:59:46 So before I conclude, I would ask for that as well.
10:59:49 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you.
10:59:51 I really am appreciative of the work you have done.
10:59:54 This is Yeoman's work with your staff and legal
10:59:57 department to put all these together in a short period
11:00:01 of time.
11:00:02 I would like to thank you again.
11:00:06 And I just received this.
11:00:08 Maybe it was sent out earlier, but we have been gone
11:00:10 for two weeks, and I really haven't digested everything
11:00:13 here, and I don't think that the Drew Park committee --
11:00:18 have they had a meeting on this yet?
11:00:19 >> Yes.
11:00:20 >> They had a meeting on this already?
11:00:22 >> There was a meeting to discuss the what we were
11:00:26 going to put forward, not the exact language, and they
11:00:28 did give us the comment which is included in the
11:00:30 >> I saw -- I used to live on Sanchez street.
11:00:39 But it's -- if we are going to have further discussion,
11:00:44 I'm not opposed to passing whatever we have to do today
11:00:46 to receive this report, and then bring it up to, when,
11:00:52 October 28th?
11:00:53 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I'm sorry, if I can interrupt.
11:00:55 I apologize.
11:00:56 But the calendar has been amended because the CRA date
11:00:59 had to be shifted with the workshop dates.
11:01:01 So City Council workshop is now the morning of the
11:01:03 14th of October.
11:01:06 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: So that would then be October
11:01:09 14th it would come back and I'm sure all the
11:01:11 parties would be in a settlement state by then.
11:01:16 >>CATHERINE COYLE: As with our normal process I do hold
11:01:18 additional information workshops here off-night of City
11:01:21 Council, and I invite all the same people that are on
11:01:23 the list Americans with Disabilities Act Miranda again
11:01:26 I'm sure that council is very appreciative of you and
11:01:28 your staff and the work you have done in a short period
11:01:30 of time.
11:01:31 We are very appreciative.
11:01:33 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Would council wish to set that
11:01:36 hearing now?
11:01:37 There is a workshop at 9 a.m. to discuss possible
11:01:41 revisions to the news rack -- Miranda Americans with
11:01:44 Disabilities Act I would imagine we are going to do
11:01:46 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Well, it would be appropriate for you
11:01:48 now to do that.
11:01:50 >>CATHERINE COYLE: That's what I'm asking.
11:01:53 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Maybe a council member wants to
11:01:55 speak before I set the hearing.
11:01:56 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Other questions by council?
11:01:58 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I move that we have this continued,
11:02:00 brought back on October 14th of the year 2010 at
11:02:05 10:30 in the morning.
11:02:07 >>CATHERINE COYLE: If I could, not continued, I'm
11:02:10 asking for the workshop --
11:02:12 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: The workshop on the subject matter
11:02:13 for workshop on 10-14 of 2010.
11:02:18 >>MARTIN SHELBY: 9:30 in the morning?
11:02:20 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: 9:30 is fine.
11:02:23 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Moved and seconded.
11:02:24 All in favor signify by saying Aye.
11:02:27 >>MARTIN SHELBY: And that's for the entire text
11:02:29 amendment cycle?
11:02:30 Thank you.
11:02:32 >>CATHERINE COYLE: Right.
11:02:32 >>THOMAS SCOTT: So no additional action to be taken
11:02:34 up, Ms. Coyle, on items 80 and 81?
11:02:41 >>CATHERINE COYLE: That's correct.
11:02:41 That's just reporting back.
11:02:43 Alcohol beverage regulations will be included in that
11:02:45 cycle, to consider them at length through the workshop
11:02:51 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Okay.
11:02:57 Item 82?
11:03:01 >>MARK HUEY: Economic development administrator.
11:03:04 Good to be with you this morning, honorable council
11:03:07 I was here to provide an update on the efforts of many
11:03:13 parties to see if a portion of the property we know as
11:03:16 Georgetown might be preserved for passive public use in
11:03:21 the future.
11:03:22 As you are aware, with the Georgetown property located
11:03:25 off of Westshore Boulevard, has very attractive
11:03:32 It was formerly an apartment community.
11:03:35 It has not operated in that way for quite some time.
11:03:37 Now all of those buildings have been demolished.
11:03:40 It is in the hands of a private developer that acquired
11:03:44 it last year.
11:03:45 We have been working with a number of parties, most
11:03:50 particularly the ELAPP program at Hillsborough County
11:03:53 and the trust for public lands which is a national
11:03:56 nonprofit that works with communities around the
11:03:58 country to help accomplish goals like we are trying to
11:04:02 accomplish here.
11:04:04 And they have helped the city in previous matters
11:04:07 The current status of the negotiations -- and we are
11:04:11 not first parties to the negotiations.
11:04:15 Those negotiations are occurring between ELAPP, the
11:04:19 trust for public land, and the private property owner.
11:04:23 They are working through various appraisals to
11:04:26 negotiate a potential for mutually agreeable sale
11:04:34 Those discussions are ongoing.
11:04:36 Beyond the sales price, there are many other matters of
11:04:40 access and so forth that our Parks Department have been
11:04:45 very involved in supporting, the team at the county
11:04:50 managed the ELAPP program and working on.
11:04:54 All I can say at this point is all the parties I
11:04:57 believe are working very hard to accomplish our goal,
11:04:59 and we should know over the course of the summer as to
11:05:01 whether we will be successful.
11:05:03 >>MARY MULHERN: I think that helps, but I would like a
11:05:12 little more -- is there a contract, or is there an
11:05:19 agreement between the developer and ELAPP and the trust
11:05:23 for public land already, and they are just negotiating
11:05:28 I thought that the trust had already secured the land,
11:05:34 or had some kind of commitment.
11:05:36 >>MARK HUEY: The trust has an option with the
11:05:40 developer, the owner of the property, but the ELAPP
11:05:45 program does not yet have a contract in place with the
11:05:48 trust for public lands who hold the option.
11:05:52 So there is not a contract in place.
11:05:56 That's what's being negotiated.
11:05:58 And it's part of that as well as other terms relating
11:06:04 to the future development of the park.
11:06:05 >>MARY MULHERN: I know when this was announced, it was
11:06:09 the mayor who announce it.
11:06:10 So you're saying our Parks Department is working with
11:06:15 them, with the ELAPP on this?
11:06:19 >>MARK HUEY: Oh, yes.
11:06:19 >>MARY MULHERN: This is my big concern, and I'm sure
11:06:22 my colleagues are going to agree with me on this, that
11:06:25 we need to make sure that that waterfront portion of
11:06:28 that property is what becomes public land.
11:06:31 >> Yes, that is what is being contemplated.
11:06:35 >> I know it's being contemplated but it scares me that
11:06:42 it could be ---become, you know, developed as opposed
11:06:47 to when you look at that portion.
11:06:52 I want the public to end up with the piece on the
11:06:54 >>MARK HUEY: That's our goal.
11:06:56 That's our goal.
11:06:58 Again, a private landholder holds the property, and
11:07:02 it's a free market, and there's negotiating process
11:07:05 that's underway.
11:07:06 So I don't want to overrepresent to whether or not it
11:07:10 will happen.
11:07:11 I can just at this point say that I believe all the
11:07:14 parties are working very hard to try to make it happen.
11:07:16 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you.
11:07:22 Item 83 has been continued to August 5th.
11:07:25 Item 85 has been continued to August 5th.
11:07:30 So the last item on the agenda is item 86.
11:07:34 And that item is a motion to correct the dates for the
11:07:38 budget public hearing.
11:07:46 That sets the date for Tuesday, September 14 at 5:01
11:07:52 and Tuesday September 28 at 5:01, the correct dates.
11:07:55 So we need to take action on that?
11:07:58 >>MARY MULHERN: I am going to move agenda item number
11:08:04 >> Second.
11:08:04 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Moved and seconded.
11:08:07 All in favor?
11:08:08 Then new business?
11:08:12 Councilwoman Mulhern?
11:08:13 >>MARY MULHERN: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
11:08:16 I have a couple things, perhaps resolutions I would
11:08:21 like to propose.
11:08:22 But I need to give a report first.
11:08:26 The first thing I want to suggest to council and ask if
11:08:32 council agrees with this resolution that it be brought
11:08:37 back at our next meeting.
11:08:42 I'm going to start with -- we held a workshop.
11:08:47 I call it a workshop/discussion meeting back in June, I
11:08:51 think, to discuss the high-speed rail plans.
11:08:57 And Kevin Thibault, who is the Florida Rail Enterprise
11:09:03 interim director came and spoke to us and we had a lot
11:09:06 of people here.
11:09:07 Councilman Caetano and I were here.
11:09:09 I believe you were on vacation, or you were out of
11:09:12 town, and Mr. Miranda wasn't able to attend.
11:09:16 The four of us were here.
11:09:17 And Linda Saul-Sena was hear.
11:09:22 What I learned from that, and also from attending the
11:09:25 super regional conference back in -- I don't know if it
11:09:29 was May or June where the U.S. secretary of
11:09:32 transportation, Ray LaHood, spoke, was that there was
11:09:41 at that time federal money dedicated to -- and we all
11:09:45 know this, that there was a big federal stimulus grant
11:09:48 for 1.25 billion awarded to Florida for the Orlando to
11:09:53 Tampa leg of the train.
11:09:56 What I since learned is that although the Tampa
11:10:00 International Airport is not currently part of that
11:10:04 plan, there is still the possibility of asking for
11:10:10 I would like to point out for one thing that of that
11:10:13 1.25 billion, the five stops that have been approved,
11:10:18 one of them is in Polk County, Lakeland area, and that
11:10:24 has not even been determined exactly where that's going
11:10:28 to be.
11:10:28 So I'm giving this as background because people have a
11:10:32 perception that it's too late for to us ask for a stop
11:10:36 at the airport, when in reality I don't think that that
11:10:40 is necessarily true.
11:10:42 So I was in favor of this.
11:10:44 And I have been speaking in favor of it since we heard
11:10:47 that we were getting light rail, or high-speed rail
11:10:52 In the meantime, right before we broke, on June
11:10:57 28th, the federal government announced that there
11:11:00 was a new competitive grant for 2.1 for high-speed rail
11:11:10 only, a competitive grant.
11:11:12 So now there's more money than when we had our workshop
11:11:15 available that we could request an additional line or
11:11:20 an additional stop to go from downtown Tampa to the
11:11:23 Tampa International Airport.
11:11:25 The reason that I think this is important is because,
11:11:30 for one thing, it's the hugest infrastructure
11:11:32 development that we have had in decades, and the
11:11:35 federal government is making this money available out
11:11:41 of our federal tax dollars, and if we don't apply for
11:11:44 it, it's going to go somewhere else.
11:11:47 And, you know, the possibilities of where that are
11:11:50 going to go, possibly Miami, who is already getting a
11:11:54 Miami and Orlando are both getting airport stops in the
11:11:58 high-speed rail in Tampa -- and Tampa is not at this
11:12:02 So what I would like to ask is that this council -- and
11:12:08 the reason I'm bringing it up now, even though we have
11:12:11 a small council and we are missing two members, is that
11:12:13 this competitive grant is due.
11:12:18 FDOT needs to submit it in August.
11:12:20 So we don't have time.
11:12:23 If we want to say that we support it, which I don't
11:12:25 know if people do or not.
11:12:27 I'm just saying that I do and hoping that you will --
11:12:31 we need to do that now.
11:12:32 So the resolution I would ask council to adopt, after
11:12:40 Mr. Shelby has a chance to write it, would be to
11:12:43 support the Florida Department of Transportation's
11:12:50 application for the federal grant money -- for federal
11:12:56 grant money for a high-speed rail station at Tampa
11:13:00 International Airport.
11:13:02 So I'm just throwing it out there.
11:13:03 I don't know how you all feel about it.
11:13:05 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Councilman Miranda?
11:13:09 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I think it's not how we feel about
11:13:11 I think the facts are there to exam.
11:13:15 How do have a high-speed rail from point A to point B
11:13:19 and point B you have a stop at a location and then
11:13:21 another stop at an airport, a good airport, let me say
11:13:26 that, but in point A being Tampa International Airport,
11:13:29 you do not.
11:13:30 So if you are going to travel from point B to point A,
11:13:33 you are going to drop off somewhere else other than
11:13:35 between A and B, and you are going to have to catch
11:13:39 some other form of transportation.
11:13:42 That doesn't make logical sense.
11:13:44 So I support the intent of the motion of Ms. Mulhern to
11:13:48 ask that it be continued to the Tampa International
11:13:52 It would only make logical sense that -- and I'll
11:13:57 mention the city -- if Orlando is going to have it,
11:13:59 what are we, a stepchild to Orlando?
11:14:02 I mean, I may not have Mickey Mouse ears but I have a
11:14:07 lot to offer the City of Tampa, and it's incumbent upon
11:14:12 us to make sure at least we have that opportunity to
11:14:16 see that equality and fairness is applied across the
11:14:18 >>THOMAS SCOTT: And I agree with that wholeheartedly.
11:14:23 In fact it should have been in the original plan.
11:14:25 I mean, let's look at it.
11:14:28 There's no way in the world you are going to travel
11:14:30 from a Orlando to downtown Tampa and stop and that's
11:14:35 So let's be realistic.
11:14:36 I am going to leave Orlando and come to downtown Tampa,
11:14:41 at least it ought to have a stop at the airport so I
11:14:43 can fly back out of Tampa.
11:14:45 So therefore you are putting the airport at a
11:14:47 disadvantage here for the City of Tampa.
11:14:51 Also, tourism, the additional advantage of the City of
11:14:56 And we look at it, which is interesting that you had a
11:14:59 high-speed rail that leaves from the airport in
11:15:01 Orlando, stops at the convention center, which is
11:15:04 really right down the street, almost becomes a commuter
11:15:07 rail, really, and then it makes another stop at Disney,
11:15:11 which is across the street, you know.
11:15:15 It's unbelievable.
11:15:16 And yet we get one stop in Tampa?
11:15:19 So I support it 100 percent.
11:15:22 I also want to encourage the administration, the mayor,
11:15:25 because you know and I know if the mayor says we want a
11:15:29 stop at the airport, FDOT is going to listen to that,
11:15:32 and they are going to listen to this council as well.
11:15:34 And I think the more of us that say that, as I said
11:15:39 earlier, we are working together for this community,
11:15:41 just like we did parks and rec.
11:15:43 It's important for us to be unified, that they will
11:15:46 listen, and they will make that become a reality.
11:15:50 So I support the motion.
11:15:52 I support the second by Mr. Miranda.
11:15:54 And I believe we are going to have a third and a
11:15:59 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: Mr. Chairman, I was at that
11:16:02 And I did get a number of calls at my office about
11:16:09 having the high-spied rail go to the airport.
11:16:12 And I think the problem was brought up was evidently
11:16:15 the speed that thing needs to generate in order to
11:16:17 be -- but I think we need to study it, and make it
11:16:22 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Even with that, that's why it's
11:16:27 irrational, because Orlando airport, or convention
11:16:32 center, you are going to be there visiting.
11:16:35 In fact, from downtown from the convention center to
11:16:42 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: As a matter of fact the first three
11:16:45 stops are sponsored by UPS.
11:16:50 [ Laughter ]
11:16:53 >>MARY MULHERN: I just want to say one thing because
11:16:55 I'm so thrilled that you are agreeing with me, because
11:16:58 this is such a great opportunity for us, and we just
11:17:01 can't miss out on it.
11:17:02 I mean, when are there going to be billions of dollars
11:17:08 to build our economy?
11:17:11 And short term jobs and long-term to put Tampa
11:17:15 international on the map as a global transportation
11:17:20 One argument that I think Mr. Caetano brought up about
11:17:24 the curve, I think Chairman Scott already answered that
11:17:28 and the fact that the stops in Orlando -- it is a
11:17:32 longer distance because I looked it up.
11:17:34 It's about 14 miles between the three stops in Orlando
11:17:41 And I think it's about eight miles from downtown to the
11:17:46 But the reality is, it's high-speed rail if you have
11:17:49 the distance to get out to that.
11:17:52 So Orlando essentially is using this as regional or
11:17:56 local rail.
11:17:59 And in an ideal world, we would have high-speed rail
11:18:02 going from downtown to downtown.
11:18:04 That's not happening.
11:18:05 So we need to adjust our planning to the funding we
11:18:10 have in the real world.
11:18:11 And the other thing I really want to highlight is that
11:18:14 this is not new tax dollars.
11:18:17 This is the money that we are paying in our federal
11:18:20 taxes now, which is going to be allocated, and it's
11:18:25 going to go to California or Miami.
11:18:28 And Miami is getting an airport stop, too.
11:18:30 So I'm sure from their airport to whatever the next
11:18:32 stop in Miami is, that's not going to be a long
11:18:36 So I don't believe that argument hold water.
11:18:40 And the other idea that you need this huge area of land
11:18:43 for the curve, you only need that if the train is
11:18:46 getting up to highest speeds.
11:19:08 But we know won't be getting up to high speeds.
11:19:10 >>THOMAS SCOTT: There's a motion by Councilwoman
11:19:10 Mulhern, seconded by councilman Miranda.
11:19:11 All in favor signify by saying Aye.
11:19:12 >>MARTIN SHELBY: And that will be on the next agenda,
11:19:13 June 25th.
11:19:14 >>MARY MULHERN: I have another resolution that I want
11:19:15 to suggest on transportation, also.
11:19:16 After all the years, the most recent years that Hart
11:19:18 and the MPO has been working on the light rail plan,
11:19:23 just in the last few months, Hart decided that they
11:19:27 wanted to add an airport stop for light rail.
11:19:34 They are having a meeting -- their next meeting on
11:19:37 Monday, and we don't have a representative on Hart now
11:19:40 because councilman Dingfelder was on there and is gone
11:19:44 But they are going to discuss -- and I think vote on --
11:19:51 whether to add a light rail stop to the light rail
11:19:59 And I just want to say that I am in support of that,
11:20:03 because we are talking about multimodal transportation
11:20:08 in two different systems here.
11:20:09 So the voters are going to decide whether they want to
11:20:13 fund the light rail plan, but I think for the economic
11:20:20 benefit of City of Tampa, again, the airport is an
11:20:25 important stop.
11:20:29 And it's not an either or proposition whether we have a
11:20:35 high speed or light rail stop at the airport.
11:20:41 We know we are getting light rail.
11:20:43 If the voters do approve light rail, I would like to
11:20:45 see it.
11:20:46 And I think a lot of people have been waiting to see
11:20:49 the airport added.
11:20:52 So I will offer that for discussion.
11:20:55 I don't know if we want to support that or not.
11:20:57 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Yes, I'm a little confused by that
11:20:59 because it's my understanding there's always been a
11:21:01 stop, and I can tell because I was on the aviation
11:21:05 board for five years.
11:21:06 They have in their master plan a stop at the airport.
11:21:09 And it's my understanding going back to the plan when I
11:21:12 was on the county commission, there was a stop
11:21:14 downtown, you know, going to Westshore to the airport.
11:21:19 And maybe that's changed.
11:21:20 But I understand that has always been the plan.
11:21:22 >> In the long-range plan there is.
11:21:25 But I think what they are discussing now is whether the
11:21:29 resolution in November, the alignment, whether the
11:21:35 funding, if it passes, will fund -- I think it's just
11:21:43 an extension.
11:21:44 I'm not really sure about it.
11:21:45 So maybe we shouldn't -- I think right now, the
11:21:50 alignment that they are discussing that people believe
11:21:52 is part of the transportation referendum, the penny
11:21:57 sales tax, is to go from USF to -- where does it go,
11:22:06 >>CHARLES FLETCHER: Mr. Chairman, I'm not familiar
11:22:07 with the what you reference, but the point of the
11:22:11 process is the Turner analysis and Hart is going
11:22:15 through that process, and the current discussions
11:22:17 whether to include in that what would ultimately be the
11:22:20 application to the federal transit administration,
11:22:24 whether to include these additional legs, and my
11:22:28 understanding is that the airport is one of them.
11:22:30 I believe there's some other discussion about where
11:22:34 they terminate at the other end from the
11:22:36 Westshore/airport area through downtown up to USF and
11:22:40 possibly north of USF.
11:22:42 So that's the discussion that they are having.
11:22:46 It's contingent on passage of the referendum so we'll
11:22:50 have the local match, but once they complete the
11:22:53 alternative analysis, will be the basis for the
11:22:55 application to the FTA.
11:22:56 >>MARY MULHERN: Thank you.
11:22:59 So that's what we are talking about, in the alternative
11:23:05 analysis so if council wants to support that I would
11:23:07 make that motion, partly because I want to clarify to
11:23:10 people that supporting and using the available federal
11:23:14 tax dollars for a high-speed rail stop at the airport
11:23:18 does not mean that we are not supporting light rail
11:23:24 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Again I support the motion, but again I
11:23:25 thought, again, when I was on the task force that they
11:23:29 were going to look at the analysis going from north
11:23:33 Tampa, university area, to downtown, to Westshore, to
11:23:38 the airport.
11:23:38 I thought that was the study of the leg.
11:23:43 If that has changed, yes, I support resolution, but
11:23:46 that's my understanding, that is what was supposed to
11:23:49 be done.
11:23:50 >>MARY MULHERN: But they weren't doing that until a
11:23:52 couple of weeks ago.
11:23:53 >> I'll second the motion.
11:23:56 >>MARY MULHERN: Or they are going to decide to Michael
11:23:58 alternative --
11:24:00 >>THOMAS SCOTT: So they made some changes.
11:24:02 That's the motion.
11:24:02 >>MARTIN SHELBY: For the clerk's purpose if we could
11:24:04 have it restated.
11:24:06 Is it the intent of the maker of the motion to have it
11:24:08 brought back for a written resolution on the July 29
11:24:12 >> The resolution will be that they look at the
11:24:16 analysis and the leg to the airport.
11:24:17 >>MARTIN SHELBY: The alternative analysis?
11:24:22 Is that what it is?
11:24:24 I'll work with you on this.
11:24:25 >>MARY MULHERN: Yes, we'll work it out.
11:24:27 I think we can just be general about it.
11:24:29 But we are supporting the --
11:24:32 >>THOMAS SCOTT: We can get the language.
11:24:33 >>MARY MULHERN: We'll figure it out.
11:24:35 >>CHARLES FLETCHER: Come up with the right language
11:24:41 and incorporate the process.
11:24:44 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Moved and seconded.
11:24:45 Yes, sir?
11:24:47 Moved and seconded.
11:24:48 All in favor?
11:24:50 Anything else, Councilwoman?
11:24:53 >>MARY MULHERN: Hopefully, in the Tribune this
11:24:57 weekend, I wrote an opinion piece on having a
11:25:01 high-speed rail stop at the airport.
11:25:03 So just wanted to tell people to watch for that.
11:25:07 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Councilman Miranda.
11:25:11 New business.
11:25:11 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'm going to be quiet today, sir.
11:25:15 >>THOMAS SCOTT: All right.
11:25:16 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: Mr. Chairman, I would like to GTE
11:25:20 get a commendation sent to either Clear Channel or
11:25:23 whoever dedicated their digital signs for the wanted
11:25:28 posters that they put up.
11:25:29 I don't know who owns those signs.
11:25:31 But I think they did a public service.
11:25:33 I know I spotted it on I-4 a couple days after this
11:25:38 happened, the shooting of the two police officers.
11:25:41 And I think they deserve some credit.
11:25:43 I know the mayor told me they are dedicating some of
11:25:46 their signs to promote the riverwalk and different
11:25:49 things downtown.
11:25:49 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Second.
11:25:54 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: I make that a motion.
11:26:06 >>THOMAS SCOTT: You want to present that when?
11:26:08 >> First we have to find out who the sign owners are.
11:26:12 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: It's Clear Channel.
11:26:13 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Let's do that the first week in August
11:26:20 Moved and seconded.
11:26:21 All in favor signify by saying Aye.
11:26:24 Anything else?
11:26:27 Council, anything else?
11:26:28 Thank you.
11:26:29 I have two items.
11:26:30 One is, I would like to request a commendation on July
11:26:34 29th for Moffitt cancer center and the Tampa Bay
11:26:37 Rays in support of the project.
11:26:45 >> So moved.
11:26:50 Commissioner Scott made the motion.
11:26:53 I'm his agent.
11:26:55 I made the motion.
11:26:56 >>MARY MULHERN: I'll second.
11:26:58 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Carried.
11:27:01 All in favor of the motion say Aye.
11:27:03 Motion passes unanimously.
11:27:04 >>THOMAS SCOTT: The other one is, and I assume you all
11:27:07 got a copy of this from the administration from chief
11:27:10 of staff Darrell Smith.
11:27:11 This is relative to the discussion we had about on June
11:27:16 26th about sending a letter on behalf of the
11:27:21 council by the mayor to visit the issue raised by Fred
11:27:24 Hearns at the 22nd budget meeting and we requested that
11:27:27 on the 22nd of July that the administration provide a
11:27:30 full report regarding said matter.
11:27:32 And that administration and the legal department is
11:27:35 requested to appear before council and provide a report
11:27:39 regarding what the mayor is planning, and to also
11:27:41 explain the legal economic ramification if the position
11:27:45 is eliminated.
11:27:46 So the motion carried with councilman Miranda being
11:27:50 So the question is, according to the Darrell Smith,
11:27:54 that the mayor sent a memo out July 8th, and he
11:28:00 believes that may suffice and we want to remove that
11:28:03 from the agenda.
11:28:04 So I need to hear from council on that.
11:28:08 What is your pleasure on that?
11:28:10 >>MARY MULHERN: I don't know.
11:28:19 I'm fine with removing it from the agenda.
11:28:21 I mean, they are basically saying they are not going to
11:28:23 change their plan.
11:28:25 So I don't know.
11:28:27 Unless other people want to still hear a report.
11:28:29 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: And no further motion on it.
11:28:38 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Other than when we have our budget.
11:28:42 He wants the budget presented.
11:28:44 It becomes your budget.
11:28:46 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I understand that.
11:28:47 >>THOMAS SCOTT: I mean, we don't have to hear it.
11:28:49 I'm just saying --
11:28:51 >>MARY MULHERN: Someone needs to bring that up at the
11:28:53 budget hearing.
11:28:54 Maybe what we can do is ask the budget advisory
11:28:58 committee to look into this.
11:29:01 >>THOMAS SCOTT: That's fine.
11:29:02 >>MARY MULHERN: And then make a recommendation to us.
11:29:03 >> Is it the pleasure of council in response to that
11:29:11 motion to remove that second part of the workshop,
11:29:13 because the first part at 10:00 remains discuss the
11:29:16 2011 budget with departmental representatives.
11:29:19 The second part of that, as I understand it, is that
11:29:21 motion to have the administration appear and provide
11:29:23 the report.
11:29:25 The budget workshop is still scheduled for the 22nd.
11:29:29 Is that correct?
11:29:31 I think so.
11:29:31 Then the motion would be just to remove that.
11:29:33 >>THOMAS SCOTT: We are just moving this item, that's
11:29:37 So the motion to remove this item.
11:29:38 >>MARY MULHERN: So moved.
11:29:40 >>MARY MULHERN: Second.
11:29:41 >>THOMAS SCOTT: All in favor signify by saying Aye.
11:29:44 We are still having the workshop.
11:29:46 And this can be further discussed later.
11:29:51 Anything else need to come before council?
11:29:55 I want to thank council today for your cooperation and
11:29:58 support, and our unanimous vote today.
11:30:02 We made history.
11:30:04 We made history today.
11:30:06 Let the record reflect.
11:30:08 We are getting out early before 11:30.
11:30:12 We voted unanimously on having that came before us.
11:30:14 Not one abstention.
11:30:17 So thank you very much.
11:30:21 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Move to receive and file the
11:30:22 documents received today and prior to this hearing
11:30:25 through the clerk's office regarding the items on the
11:30:27 >>MARY MULHERN: Second.
11:30:29 >>THOMAS SCOTT: All in favor?
11:30:32 >>MARY MULHERN: I'll be curious to see if we have
11:30:34 unanimous votes the next time we get together.
11:30:36 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Well, we meet on Monday.
11:30:40 I want to say Monday at 9:00 you cannot be absent.
11:30:42 If you are sick you have got to come.
11:30:44 [ Laughter ]
11:30:45 On Monday at 5:00.
11:30:50 >>MARY MULHERN: I am going to be here as opposed to at
11:30:51 the high-speed rail meeting, or the Hart meeting.
11:30:55 So I'll be here.
11:30:56 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Yes, we will be here.
11:30:59 We still have this meeting that we have to be here.
11:31:03 Yes, sir.
11:31:03 >>> The other point was reminder to council of course
11:31:08 but the public that there was a special called meeting
11:31:10 beginning Monday at 9 a.m. for the interview and
11:31:13 selection of the applicants for City Council.
11:31:15 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Yes, there are 66 applicants.
11:31:18 So on Monday.
11:31:22 Anyone from the public wish to address council?
11:31:24 Anyone from the public?
11:31:26 Seeing none then we stand adjourned.
11:31:28 Thank you, council.
11:31:29 (Meeting adjourned)
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