TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
Thursday, July 29, 2010
9:00 a.m. session
The following represents an unedited version of
realtime captioning which should neither be relied upon
for complete accuracy nor used as a verbatim
The original of this file was produced in all capital
letters and any variation thereto may be a result of
third party edits and software compatibility issues.
Any person who needs a verbatim transcript of the
proceedings may need to hire a court reporter.
00:36:39 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Tampa City Council will now come to
09:02:49 The chair will now yield to Mrs. Capin.
09:02:59 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Good morning.
09:02:59 Today's invocation will be delivered by Dr. Aaron
09:03:03 Smith, Ph.D. retired from the University of South
09:03:05 Florida where he served as a member of the faculty in
09:03:08 the school of social work from 1988 to 2007.
09:03:11 Prior to coming to USF, Dr. Smith served in the
09:03:15 department of family, community and preventive medicine
09:03:18 at Stanford university medical school from 1968 to
09:03:24 Dr. Smith is a long-time dear friend of mine.
09:03:27 We welcome Dr. Smith and asked him to give today's
09:03:32 Please rise and remain standing for the pledge of
09:03:35 >> Dear heavenly father, we bow before you today
09:03:55 thanking you for all your many blessings on us.
09:03:57 Once again we thank you for working and awakening us
09:04:02 this morning and allowing us to arrive here safe and
09:04:06 To experience another day.
09:04:09 It is because of the services to mankind that is
09:04:14 causing our group this morning to be here to make
09:04:18 things possible for the members of our community.
09:04:22 It's because of the abounding mercy and grace of our
09:04:27 father that we are alive and well and to especially
09:04:31 take care of the business before the council today.
09:04:35 Heavenly father, please give our council persons today
09:04:38 the guidance and wisdom they need as they encounter
09:04:45 their awesome responsibilities to enhance the quality
09:04:47 of life and safety of all citizens of Tampa.
09:04:53 Always be mindful of their individual and collective
09:04:57 responsibilities, and we already know that through you,
09:04:59 all things are possible.
09:05:02 Lord, give them the courage and guidance they need as
09:05:06 they consciously and creatively lead.
09:05:12 Help them, Lord, and sustain them in their efforts to
09:05:18 enrich of lives of families in our community.
09:05:25 All these blessings we ask in Jesus name.
09:05:51 >> Thank you, Dr. Smith, for the invocation this
09:05:54 Roll call.
09:05:54 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: Here.
09:05:57 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Here.
09:05:57 >>GWEN MILLER: Here.
09:05:58 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Here.
09:06:01 >>CURTIS STOKES: Here.
09:06:02 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Here.
09:06:05 Let's have a motion to adopt the minutes from July 15,
09:06:09 22nd, June 10th.
09:06:11 Is there a second?
09:06:12 Okay, moved by councilman Charlie Miranda, seconded by
09:06:16 councilman Caetano.
09:06:18 All in favor signify by saying Aye.
09:06:21 Under ceremonial items this morning, we ask Mrs. Patel,
09:06:35 who is a friend of this community, this city, to come
09:06:40 forward a special presentation.
09:06:41 >> Good morning, everyone.
09:06:42 Two of us will speak in the allotted three minutes.
09:06:46 3600 kids have crossed through the free swim program
09:06:51 and has been extended through Labor Day weekend.
09:06:53 I thank the City Council for extending free swim for
09:06:56 next year.
09:06:58 Second, we have discovered that only a few hundred
09:07:02 dollars stand or stood between many of our swimmers and
09:07:05 call it scholarships.
09:07:09 Thus we have funded and provided suits, goggles, caps,
09:07:12 coaching sessions and funds for these athletes to swim
09:07:16 year round when the four-month high school swim season
09:07:30 In return, all the recipient athletes have agreed to
09:07:31 provide free swim lessons to everyone in the community
09:07:32 for four consecutive Saturdays beginning September
09:07:35 18th at all the YMCAs across town.
09:07:39 Each recipient will be asked to bring a used or donated
09:07:44 free -- used or new swim gear.
09:07:57 In our foundation, we do not provide anything for free.
09:08:00 Athletes will contribute. The recipients will
09:08:01 Last, on September 11th, we are sponsoring a swimming
09:08:04 relay with 27 high school teams that will be attending
09:08:06 including two Olympic medalists.
09:08:09 One of them is Melissa Carerra, the first
09:08:14 African-American woman to receive a medal at the
09:08:18 And now I turn over to Lori Bukaweski, but the swim
09:08:25 coaches have a message for councilman Miranda.
09:08:28 They need an awning restored.
09:08:34 They have an awning structure but no awning.
09:08:36 They had it every year. They didn't have it last year.
09:08:38 The parents are miserable without the awning.
09:08:41 So now for the rest of the three minutes, I turn over
09:08:43 to Lori Bukaweski.
09:08:45 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you.
09:08:47 We'll see what we can do.
09:08:48 >> Good morning.
09:08:52 My name is Lori Bukaweski. I'm the associate Executive
09:08:55 Director of the Brandon sports and aquatic center.
09:08:58 It is our pleasure to partner with the foundation to
09:09:02 assist underprivileged athletes with equipment and
09:09:04 funding for year-round training.
09:09:07 With that said, we extend an invitation to all a of you
09:09:11 to attend city relays at the pool which all of you know
09:09:15 is a 20 year tradition and we are proud to have -- to
09:09:22 have two of our own athlete.
09:09:26 The they are aquatics experts, from the very first swim
09:09:31 lesson to Olympic at the excision.
09:09:33 We give 10,000 swim lessons per summer and provide
09:09:37 $40,000 of scholarshipping which we take on ourselves
09:09:41 in operations providing for bonus swim lessons.
09:09:44 We have been developing athletes since 1963, and we
09:09:47 have sent an Olympian to the summer games every year
09:09:50 since 1968.
09:09:53 Our current world renowned wave swim team has 200
09:09:59 athletes among our other elite programs that we do at
09:10:01 the Brandon sports aquatic center.
09:10:03 We currently have three Olympians in the pipeline for
09:10:08 Our hope is to work with the waves foundation to
09:10:12 restore our 47-year-old facility to a new world class
09:10:16 competition facility where we can bring athletes in
09:10:19 from all over the world, and especially to provide
09:10:21 funding and training for athletes who otherwise would
09:10:24 not have that opportunity.
09:10:26 That new world class training facility would also
09:10:29 provide a venue for national and international
09:10:33 competition which would provide very positive economic
09:10:37 impact for the greater Tampa community.
09:10:39 So with that said I am very grateful to Ms. Patel for
09:10:43 the opportunity to work with her, the new wave
09:10:47 Thank you very much.
09:10:47 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you both so very much and thank
09:10:55 you for your support and your contribution to the City
09:10:57 of Tampa.
09:10:58 Thank you very much.
09:10:58 >>MARY MULHERN: And thank you for letting us know
09:11:06 about the great work you have been doing.
09:11:07 We are very proud of our Olympic athletes.
09:11:09 >> I failed to mention that we formed the wave
09:11:15 foundation in response to the community's enthusiasm
09:11:18 about the free swimming.
09:11:20 And as we deliver our plans to go to 2012 London
09:11:24 Olympics, we will inform you.
09:11:26 But right now they are sketches and I only want to come
09:11:30 to you when my program is fully funded.
09:11:33 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you very much.
09:11:34 Very pleased to hear that.
09:11:35 >>GWEN MILLER: Good morning.
09:11:43 It is my honor again to bring to you our police Officer
09:11:47 of the Month.
09:11:48 And we always have to do that because we have some
09:11:50 great policemen.
09:11:51 And this one today is going to be detective Scott
09:11:54 fuller and I am going to let our chief do the good
09:11:58 things to say about him.
09:11:59 >> Chief Jane Castor: It's again my honor to bring
09:12:04 forward one of Tampa's best police officers, Scott
09:12:09 Bullard. He's a detective with the delayed crimes
09:12:11 unit, latent investigative squad in district 2.
09:12:17 Despite his easygoing demeanor and wonderful smile, he
09:12:20 is a very tenacious investigator.
09:12:23 He just does an outstanding job from investigating
09:12:26 simple property crimes all the way up to violent armed
09:12:31 And I'll give you just a couple of examples of his
09:12:34 outstanding work.
09:12:35 I could go on all day.
09:12:36 He was a lead investigator in a U-Haul robbery case
09:12:39 that happened back in December of 2009.
09:12:41 He followed the leads.
09:12:43 They sort of hit a dead-end where maybe a lot of other
09:12:47 investigators would have given up, but be followed, was
09:12:50 able to dig up some more leads, some more information,
09:12:53 and actually followed out of state on two occasions to
09:12:58 identify and take into custody the individual that was
09:13:01 responsible for those robberies.
09:13:04 He also has an amazing ability to get confessions out
09:13:07 of suspects, and he's called upon by his fellow
09:13:11 detectives to help them in those instances.
09:13:15 We had a series of armed robberies particularly
09:13:20 vicious, armed robberies, and he was able to develop a
09:13:24 suspect in those armed robberies.
09:13:26 The suspect was actually captured in a home invasion,
09:13:30 and he was able to get him to confess to six armed
09:13:35 And this individual and his cohorts were very violent
09:13:40 As a matter of fact, some of our officers responded to
09:13:43 a simple disturbance call in a neighborhood and drove
09:13:47 up upon an armed robbery in progress where there were
09:13:50 four or five armed individuals that they had to chase
09:13:52 down and they took them all into custody and
09:13:55 confiscated all the firearms.
09:13:57 So that obviously could have had a very negative
09:14:00 So detective Bullard does an outstanding job every day.
09:14:04 I think that our entire community owes him a debt of
09:14:08 gratitude because he is one of the reasons that our
09:14:10 crime is down 56% in the City of Tampa.
09:14:13 And it is my honor to name him the Officer of the
09:14:17 [ Applause ]
09:14:29 >>GWEN MILLER: On behalf of the Tampa City Council we
09:14:30 have a commendation to give you.
09:14:32 I am not going to read all the good thing the chief
09:14:35 I will just give you the commendation.
09:14:36 And on behalf of the private sector we have some more.
09:14:39 I am going to give you a gift certificate to Charlie's
09:14:50 >> Danny Lewis from Bill Currie Ford.
09:14:56 It's our honor to present you this watch on behalf of
09:14:58 the Bill Currie Ford family and our 200 employees.
09:15:01 Thank you for making our city a safer place to live.
09:15:05 >> Congratulations.
09:15:10 We would like to give you a $100 gift card from Tampa
09:15:16 >> Dawn McBride with Straz, performing arts, a family
09:15:27 >> Steve Stickley representing Stepps towing service.
09:15:37 On behalf of Jim and Judy Stepp and Stepp's towing I'm
09:15:42 honored to have Todd Stepp with me.
09:15:46 This wouldn't be possible without the support of Todd,
09:15:48 his mom and dad.
09:15:49 But nevertheless we would like to congratulate you very
09:15:51 much for a job well done, keeping the street safe and
09:15:56 keeping the citizens safe.
09:15:57 We really appreciate the hard work.
09:15:59 We have a statue to present to you.
09:16:03 The little guy will probably want to hold this.
09:16:05 And also a gift certificate to Lee Roy Selmon.
09:16:19 >> These flowers are not for you.
09:16:21 They are for the missus.
09:16:27 >>STEVE MICHELINI: I'm not going to give of this to
09:16:37 Is that okay?
09:16:38 If you want to stand up there, I am going to give
09:16:40 something to you.
09:16:41 You don't want it?
09:16:43 Steve Michelini here on behalf of a variety of
09:16:46 different corporate folks who would like to honor you,
09:16:49 and have you ever seen your dad smile so much?
09:16:52 And your mom?
09:16:54 One thing about police officers and firefighters, they
09:16:56 have families.
09:16:57 And it's very important to honor them.
09:17:00 One of the things we would like to do with Bryn Allen
09:17:03 studios is present with you a gift certificate so you
09:17:06 can have your family portrait done.
09:17:08 So as long as you smile you can go.
09:17:11 Oh, he's smiling now.
09:17:14 On behalf of rigatoni's restaurant, we are going to
09:17:18 provide with you a $50 gift certificate so you can go
09:17:21 have lunch.
09:17:22 Do you like pasta?
09:17:26 You can't go to the next one, though.
09:17:28 Bern's steakhouse.
09:17:29 You can't go there.
09:17:31 That's mom and dad.
09:17:32 They get to go to Bern's steakhouse for $100.
09:17:35 So how about that?
09:17:40 [ Applause ]
09:17:47 >> Thank you, council.
09:17:48 Thank you, chief.
09:17:49 I really appreciate this honor.
09:17:53 I owe a huge debt of gratitude to my squad.
09:17:56 They helped facilitate a lot of the things that I've
09:17:59 done and helped train me and helped me learn what needs
09:18:03 to be done to do my job successfully.
09:18:07 I would like to thank my family, and Nick and Henry,
09:18:13 and best of all, I just appreciate everybody coming
09:18:16 here today and taking a few minutes to honor me.
09:18:20 I appreciate it.
09:18:21 Before I forget, chief Newman made sure that I give him
09:18:28 a debt of gratitude, also.
09:18:30 [ Laughter ]
09:18:32 Thank you very much.
09:18:53 >>GWEN MILLER: It my pleasure now to introduce the
09:18:56 firefighter of the quarter, and that is the driver
09:18:59 engineer Cory Shumacher.
09:19:03 And if he come forward and the chief will say good
09:19:09 things about him.
09:19:12 >> Good morning, council.
09:19:13 Tom Forward, Fire Chief, Tampa Fire Rescue.
09:19:17 Tampa Fire Rescue is proud to recognize Cory Shumacher
09:19:21 who is our most recent firefighter of the quarter.
09:19:26 Downtown fire station number 1.
09:19:29 During the eleven years, he has been with the
09:19:32 department, he has embraced what Tampa firefighters is
09:19:36 supposed to be.
09:19:37 He's professional, courteous, high moral character,
09:19:41 physically fit, and unyielding in his service to the
09:19:45 In addition to his duties as the person responsible for
09:19:47 the maintenance and the safeguard as far as engine
09:19:51 number 1 serving the downtown core, he is also a valued
09:19:55 member of our department's tactical medical response
09:19:59 team, responsible for responding to very, very serious
09:20:02 and unusual high-risk incidents.
09:20:07 Off-duty he's also an instructor at one of the local
09:20:09 colleges for paramedics and is also a soccer coach to a
09:20:13 local children's soccer team.
09:20:17 Probably his daughter's team.
09:20:21 And his captain wrote: To his character, attitude and
09:20:27 spirit, he truly makes all who serve beside is him
09:20:31 strive to be better.
09:20:32 For his spirited efforts on and off duty, we are proud
09:20:36 to announce driver engineer Cory Shumacher as Tampa
09:20:46 fire department's ferret of the quarter.
09:20:50 And for that Tampa fire would also like to present to
09:20:52 him an award which says: Presented to driver engineer
09:20:56 Cory Shumacher for firefighter of the third quarter
09:20:59 this 29th day of July 2010.
09:21:03 Fire chief Tom Forward.
09:21:05 [ Applause ]
09:21:10 >>GWEN MILLER: On behalf of the Tampa City Council I
09:21:12 would like to issue a commendation.
09:21:13 I am not going to read it because the chief just said
09:21:16 all those good things that you deserve so I am just
09:21:19 going to present it to you.
09:21:20 On our private sector side, I have a gift certificate
09:21:22 to Charlie's steakhouse and the Lowry Park Zoo.
09:21:29 >> Danny Lewis.
09:21:38 The firefighter of the year is selected from the
09:21:40 firefighter of the quarter, and you have a lot of
09:21:48 friends here.
09:21:52 I present you this watch.
09:22:09 >> I would like to present Cory with this plaque and
09:22:15 gift certificate for him and his family to enjoy it.
09:22:17 A job well done, Cory.
09:22:22 >> The Straz center, for you to attend Cats.
09:22:44 >> Steve Stickley from Stepps Towing service.
09:22:50 On behalf of myself, Jim and Judy Stepp, Todd, wouldn't
09:22:53 be able to make this happen and honor you guys who do
09:22:56 the work for us.
09:22:57 We really appreciate everything you do keeping us safe
09:23:00 and fighting the fires.
09:23:02 Thank you very much.
09:23:03 >> In appreciation to the missus.
09:23:22 The community does appreciate all that you do.
09:23:29 >> Another happy family.
09:23:30 You get to go to Bern's, too.
09:23:32 I hope you enjoy it.
09:23:34 You also get to go to rigatoni, and you get to get your
09:23:38 family portraits done.
09:23:40 We always appreciate what the firefighters do, and what
09:23:42 the police officers do for this community.
09:23:45 It sometimes a thankless task but you have to remember
09:23:49 that there's thousands of people out thereof that are
09:23:51 behind you and they thank you and they appreciate what
09:23:54 you do.
09:24:01 [ Applause ]
09:24:03 >> I'm proud to stand before you, City Council.
09:24:06 I'm humbled by this experience.
09:24:08 I'm very thankful to my crew for nominating me for this
09:24:12 I feel any number of them could be standing in front of
09:24:16 They are all the same quality caliber people just
09:24:20 Thanks to the administrative staff for coming out and
09:24:22 being here, my wife Mary, Donna, Cheyene and my
09:24:24 parents, for coming to see me get this award. And I
09:24:27 want to say thank to everybody.
09:24:30 [ Applause ]
09:24:40 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Congratulations.
09:24:41 Thank you.
09:24:41 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Council, we have one more commendation
09:25:33 to make this morning.
09:25:34 And I am going to invite John deMURIO to come up, for
09:25:47 this presentation.
09:25:48 This presentation is being made to the Moffitt cancer
09:25:50 center and the Tampa Bay Rays in support of the Pepsi
09:25:57 refresh project, star third baseman Evan Longoria.
09:26:02 The Tampa Rays competing with 15 league teams to
09:26:11 compete for Moffitt cancer center.
09:26:13 Competition will be based on the motivation of
09:26:15 community members to vote online for the Rays and for
09:26:19 Moffitt on the Pepsi refresh link on WWW.Pepsi.com and
09:26:32 The beneficiary will be Moffitt cancer center, kids
09:26:38 healthy life-style prevention program, a cancer
09:26:40 awareness prevention effort geared toward at-risk use,
09:26:46 because a large percentage of cancer deaths can be
09:26:49 prevented by making healthy choices.
09:26:51 We believe working with our young people is the best
09:26:54 hope for our future generation.
09:26:55 The Tampa does hereby implore all resident to join with
09:27:00 us, Evan Longoria, and Moffitt cancer center in voting
09:27:04 for the Tampa Bay Rays in the Pepsi refresh challenge
09:27:09 to rid cancer through use education.
09:27:13 And I guess they can vote online for this.
09:27:16 WWW.Pepsi.com and WWW.MLB.com.
09:27:23 They can win up to $170,000, I believe.
09:27:26 So again, it's our pleasure, City Council, to present
09:27:29 you this commendation, and to highlight the opportunity
09:27:32 for us to continue to raise money for Moffitt.
09:27:35 Again, a tremendous job.
09:27:38 Can't say enough about Moffitt cancer center and what
09:27:40 they do.
09:27:42 Good luck to the Rays.
09:27:44 >> Thank you very much, councilman Scott and all the
09:27:52 members of the Tampa City Council.
09:27:54 It is only with the support of the City of Tampa, the
09:27:57 citizens of Tampa, and all the local governments that
09:28:00 Moffitt cancer center has been able to grow into a
09:28:02 world class institution to combat cancer.
09:28:06 We are dedicated to eliminating cancer as a public
09:28:09 health problem.
09:28:11 We do this through excellent patient care, to people
09:28:14 who have cancer now, and all kinds of research to find
09:28:18 out better ways to combat cancer.
09:28:21 But also we do it for future generations, for community
09:28:25 And we are here today again thankful to your help in
09:28:31 getting the word out about a way that we can prevent
09:28:33 cancer in future generations through youth education
09:28:36 and through a great partnership with the Tampa Bay
09:28:39 And here with me to talk about it is our program
09:28:42 director Nicky Inda.
09:28:45 >> Good morning.
09:28:46 I want to just thank the City of Tampa and the Tampa
09:28:50 council for inviting us.
09:28:51 The Moffitt cancer center is very proud of this
09:28:54 We are excited that Evan Longoria and the Tampa Bay
09:28:59 Rays have selected the program in joint effort with the
09:29:04 Pepsi refresh which is national to bring this to our
09:29:09 We actually have the opportunity to win 200 that you.
09:29:14 So I think $30,000 more definitely can be used well to
09:29:18 bring the cancer awareness education to our kids.
09:29:21 Currently, we are in the head start schools.
09:29:25 I'm very pleased to say out of the 130 partners that
09:29:27 the head start organization had recently fit kids was
09:29:34 one of the top 13 partners of excellence.
09:29:36 The kids are being taught the importance of fruits and
09:29:39 vegetables, exercise, sun protection, and the dangers
09:29:43 of tobacco.
09:29:44 And as we are aware, the number one cancer killer is
09:29:48 lung cancer, which is directly a result from tobacco.
09:29:51 And I am pleased to say that we have over 800
09:29:56 signatures from youth pledging to be tobacco free.
09:30:00 And I'm also here to say that even will be visiting the
09:30:04 Moffitt cancer center.
09:30:05 He's very serious about this on Monday, and he will
09:30:10 take an oath and will sign tobacco free city for our
09:30:18 The children in this community are the roots and the
09:30:20 foundation, and the Moffitt cancer center is committed
09:30:25 to providing this education.
09:30:26 I am asking you to let's make a home run.
09:30:31 Let's bring this home to the Tampa Bay community and
09:30:33 our surrounding areas.
09:30:35 Thank you so much.
09:30:35 >> How do they do it?
09:30:38 >> Well, it's so simple.
09:30:39 You can vote ten times a day which means from your work
09:30:45 computer and your home computer, and if you are like me
09:30:48 and my family, we believe that hard work produces
09:30:51 We are even going to the library, which the public
09:30:55 library is one of our strong partners.
09:30:56 You can go to WWW.MLB\PepsiRefresh.
09:31:08 I'm asking each of you to take this seriously because
09:31:11 we care about the future of our kids and the Moffitt
09:31:13 cancer center, we don't want them to be our future
09:31:16 cancer patients.
09:31:17 Thank you.
09:31:17 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Let me say, Charlie, you can vote
09:31:22 online now.
09:31:23 [ Laughter ]
09:31:30 >>MARY MULHERN: I just want to say go Moffitt.
09:31:32 Go Rays.
09:31:34 Go even.
09:31:35 And go Tampa.
09:31:36 >> The American society cancer society, we support you.
09:31:45 We have worked in the past on issues, so we are
09:31:49 wholeheartedly behind you and the American cancer
09:31:54 >> God bless you.
09:31:58 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Let me take the opportunity to
09:31:59 recognize a group from the museum of science and
09:32:02 industry summer program, MOSI, visiting City Hall
09:32:07 There are 14 students, two chap a reasons in attendance
09:32:09 and the students range from grade 6 to grade 10.
09:32:12 I'm here with their teacher, Seth fairman.
09:32:18 They have a quest to learn more about our city
09:32:22 government, and through the summer program, and so we
09:32:24 wanted to recognize them here.
09:32:28 Also, they will be at City Council up to 10:45 and to
09:32:35 the park for a presentation in the mayor's conference
09:32:37 So if they are here, I would like for them to stand at
09:32:40 this time and be recognized.
09:32:43 Come on down front real quick.
09:32:46 Let's give them a hand.
09:32:50 [ Applause ]
09:32:55 Seth, do you want to take a minute to make some
09:32:58 >> Yes.
09:32:59 Thank you very much to the City of Tampa as well as the
09:33:01 council members for letting us come over here, as well
09:33:04 as Annette for organizing this.
09:33:07 We are a two-week gifted camp that focuses on bringing
09:33:12 science fiction to life.
09:33:13 And today we are going to see government in action as
09:33:16 we have been working our government now for about five
09:33:21 So we are very excited to be here.
09:33:27 We are a group of 14 today.
09:33:30 And ages range from 12 to 15.
09:33:32 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you very much.
09:33:40 [ Applause ]
09:33:43 >>THOMAS SCOTT: We will move now to the approval of
09:33:46 the agenda.
09:33:47 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Good morning, Mr. Chairman, members
09:33:50 of City Council.
09:33:50 In front of you you have the addendum to today's
09:33:54 Mr. Chairman, you have an item for new business to
09:33:57 bring up later under new business.
09:34:02 Addendum request to have presentation as of
09:34:06 Did you want to take that up now or later?
09:34:09 >> We can do it under new business.
09:34:10 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Two items changes to the agenda.
09:34:17 One is item number 56.
09:34:18 And that is a request from the administration because
09:34:21 Karen Palus is unavailable.
09:34:23 That's the update on urban forest.
09:34:25 There is a request to continue that to the staff
09:34:27 reports of August 26th, 2010.
09:34:30 The other, council, that I am aware of is a
09:34:33 housekeeping item, which related to staff reports.
09:34:37 And that's items 62 and 63.
09:34:42 There is a request to move those up to the beginning of
09:34:44 staff reports.
09:34:46 But also, item 66 is the hearing on the Mangroves.
09:34:50 And that only requires a vote, an action of council.
09:34:53 So that can be moved up and taken before item 62 and
09:34:57 With council's approval, I am not aware of any other
09:35:00 changes to today's agenda and I present it for your
09:35:04 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Let me raise the question with council,
09:35:06 I would like to move that item up.
09:35:08 The question is, are the other two council persons
09:35:11 prepared to vote at that time?
09:35:13 If we are going to get into a long discussion I will
09:35:15 leave it where it is.
09:35:16 But if you are prepared to vote then I will move it up.
09:35:19 >> Yes, I am.
09:35:21 >> I am.
09:35:22 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Good.
09:35:22 Then we'll move that up just for the vote.
09:35:24 Any other item to be pulled from the agenda?
09:35:29 Motion to approve the agenda.
09:35:30 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: So moved.
09:35:32 >> Second.
09:35:33 >>THOMAS SCOTT: All in favor?
09:35:37 We have set aside 30 minutes for public comment.
09:35:40 >>GWEN MILLER: Before they come up, can I have a
09:35:44 special person come up?
09:35:45 Council, I would like at this time something very
09:35:50 special to tell the council and you need to hear this
09:35:52 plus administration and everybody else.
09:35:54 >> My name is Dianne Hart, 5006 Cumberland drive.
09:35:58 I know most of the time I come before you is because I
09:36:00 have a complaint or a concern for the community.
09:36:03 Well, I thought it would be fitting to come to you and
09:36:05 let you know that thanks to council and the
09:36:08 administration, Karen Palus and her staff, we now have
09:36:12 our parks and rec on track, the parks are full of kids,
09:36:16 is what we definitely wanted for the community, to get
09:36:20 the children back in the park.
09:36:21 Also, the fees have been rolled back.
09:36:24 Thank you very much.
09:36:25 The after-school program will only require that the
09:36:27 kids have a rec card which costs $15, which East Tampa
09:36:32 business civic association bought 150 rec cards for the
09:36:37 I cannot tell you all what this really means to the
09:36:39 I'm sure you all know because you saw me every on the
09:36:42 And I had to come back and say thanks to both the
09:36:45 administration, thanks to Ms. Palus and to Alan Holder
09:36:50 and Joe Green and their staff and all the people in the
09:36:53 Parks Department who made this possible, but to you,
09:36:56 council, for stepping up and helping us to turn this
09:36:59 I thought I need to say that.
09:37:01 So thank you very much.
09:37:02 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you.
09:37:04 Anyone else that wishes to address council may come at
09:37:11 this time.
09:37:13 State your name and address for the record.
09:37:14 Anyone else?
09:37:15 Only one person?
09:37:16 >> Good morning.
09:37:24 My name is Janet Doherty.
09:37:26 I'm here monitoring one with issue under public arts
09:37:30 work but I wanted to comment on two things.
09:37:35 Somebody from City Council who said public support is
09:37:39 true leadership and I want to say I am in support of
09:37:41 the link to the TIA.
09:37:43 But I do understand, Commissioner Scott, I was here
09:37:47 during the debate the other day since I was part of
09:37:49 SWFWMD about shovel ready projects and study.
09:37:52 So whatever you need to do to move forward, whether
09:37:54 that's a study or resolution, I think that it's just a
09:37:57 logical extension of the rail to go to the airport.
09:38:01 The other item I would like to address is item 51,
09:38:04 which is the ordinance being presented for a
09:38:07 procurement protest procedures.
09:38:10 You passed it unanimously two weeks ago on first
09:38:13 Today is the second reading.
09:38:15 I would just -- like the previous speaker I would like
09:38:17 to say job well done to your procurement department,
09:38:21 Greg Spearman and his staff and especially Chip
09:38:24 Fletcher and Marcy Hamilton.
09:38:27 This document was a long time in coming, very
09:38:29 articulate and concise, and did a wonderful job putting
09:38:31 it together.
09:38:32 And I am in support of that as well.
09:38:34 Thank you and have a great day.
09:38:36 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you.
09:38:38 >>MARY MULHERN: I think people know this but I just
09:38:42 wanted to ask you if you can announce the item under
09:38:45 staff reports.
09:38:46 This is the opportunity.
09:38:48 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Yes, yes, thank you.
09:38:49 >>MARY MULHERN: Including the Kress building.
09:38:54 Everything under staff report.
09:38:57 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Anything on the agenda has first
09:38:58 preference for discussion this morning for to you make
09:39:00 So anything on the agenda, other than public hearings.
09:39:03 Other than public hearings.
09:39:05 You may address council today.
09:39:11 >> Good morning, members of council.
09:39:13 I'm Vivian Salaga, north Central Avenue.
09:39:17 I'm here this morning to represent the American
09:39:19 institute of architects heritage committee.
09:39:22 We don't often come before you, and when we do, it
09:39:25 really represents an important issue to us and to the
09:39:29 We are here this morning to ask that item number 60,
09:39:33 with respect to the dissolution of the memorandum
09:39:36 agreement, between the city and the developers in the
09:39:39 Kress block, continue to further discussion and public
09:39:43 hearing for four reasons.
09:39:47 The first is that this item appears to be an
09:39:49 intentional subversion of the system that was created
09:39:51 by the city for the protection of its very cherished
09:39:55 and now relatively few significant historic structures.
09:40:02 The second is these buildings are designated local
09:40:07 landmarks by the City Council, thereby rendering them
09:40:11 protected under the city ordinances, and protected they
09:40:16 should be.
09:40:18 This trio of buildings are very significant in the
09:40:22 history of the civil rights movement activities in
09:40:26 Tampa and documented in American history books
09:40:30 throughout the country.
09:40:32 The third reason is that the owners of this block have,
09:40:36 for 20 years, neglected to provide appropriate
09:40:40 maintenance and stewardship of these properties.
09:40:44 It wasn't until the city recently adopted the
09:40:47 demolition by neglect ordinance with a substantial
09:40:51 per-day fine as a code violation, that the owners were
09:40:57 inspired to repair the windows in the Kress building.
09:41:02 While the Woolworth building and the newberry building
09:41:06 yet remain unattended to.
09:41:09 The fourth reason is the dissolution of this memorandum
09:41:15 of understanding appears to reward these owners for
09:41:18 their neglect and their poor stewardship.
09:41:23 Neglect of this nature should never be condoned by this
09:41:28 Our city's heritage and culture live in these
09:41:34 It's our singular responsibility as citizens of Tampa
09:41:36 to preserve and protect this heritage.
09:41:39 I urge council to continue this item for public hearing
09:41:43 so that the facts can be brought openly to the public
09:41:47 for consideration.
09:41:49 Thank you.
09:41:51 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you.
09:41:52 Next speaker, to my left.
09:41:53 >> Good morning.
09:41:58 Roger Grunke, and I reside at 1906 west Morrison Avenue
09:42:02 in Tampa.
09:42:04 I'm an architect and also co-founder of the AIA
09:42:09 Architectural Heritage Committee, and I also request
09:42:14 that item 60 be continued for public discussion.
09:42:23 Thank you.
09:42:24 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you.
09:42:27 Next speaker.
09:42:28 >> I'm Dr. Beverly Ward, 13705 Lazy Oak Drive.
09:42:37 And I'm also one of ten regional united coordination
09:42:41 ambassadors supported by the national center for human
09:42:43 service transportation, a program under the aegis of
09:42:46 the Federal Transit Administration.
09:42:48 However, today I come before City Council speaking as a
09:42:51 private citizen with some knowledge of the
09:42:53 transportation needs of vulnerable population groups in
09:42:56 this community and beyond.
09:42:58 I would like to use this time to address the Florida
09:43:04 Department of Transportation decision to take into
09:43:07 consideration at this juncture the possibility for
09:43:08 improved access and mobility of persons with
09:43:11 disabilities and aging population and increased
09:43:14 capacity in the case of catastrophic events in the
09:43:18 connectivity between high-speed rail and East Tampa
09:43:21 international airport.
09:43:23 The airport is something of a destination itself.
09:43:26 It affords persons with disabilities a level of access
09:43:28 that is not unduly taxing.
09:43:31 I speak here from personal experience of having to
09:43:33 negotiate the airport and others while recovering from
09:43:36 a temporary disability.
09:43:38 I also note that as a nation and globally the human
09:43:41 population is aging.
09:43:43 Here in the U.S. and particularly in Florida as we all
09:43:45 know, the boomers are upon us.
09:43:48 We can anticipate and should be prepared for
09:43:50 boomeritis, which is a medical term which describes the
09:43:54 unplanned but temporary disability to persons born
09:43:58 between 1946 and 1964 will experience.
09:44:02 The Tampa International Airport is particularly located
09:44:04 to be a hub or gateway to Florida for these
09:44:09 A high-speed rail connection from the airport would
09:44:11 improve not only regional access for Hillsborough and
09:44:14 the surrounding counties but also would leverage TIA
09:44:18 international status.
09:44:20 This week we are celebrating the 20th anniversary
09:44:23 of the Americans with Disabilities Act.
09:44:25 Over the last 20 years, the ADA has proven that those
09:44:30 infrastructure and design features that allow greater
09:44:32 connectivity for persons with disabilities has
09:44:36 benefited everyone.
09:44:38 If a high-speed rail stop affords greater access to
09:44:41 persons with disability, it is worth considering for
09:44:43 all of us at TIA.
09:44:44 I also ask that you consider veterans with disabilities
09:44:47 and the connection between TIA, MacDill Air Force
09:44:50 Base, and the regional veterans hospital.
09:44:53 Finally, taking the long view, we have an opportunity
09:44:56 here to put in place the infrastructure that will help
09:44:59 the region to respond to extreme events such as
09:45:02 environmental catastrophes, human threats and so on.
09:45:06 One example is Amtrak made an offer to the city of New
09:45:09 Orleans to assist in evacuating persons with
09:45:11 disabilities and others prior to hurricane Katrina.
09:45:14 A high I speed rail stop at TIA is one example of how
09:45:17 greater connectivity between these two modes could
09:45:21 significantly improve safety and personal security
09:45:24 throughout the region.
09:45:26 The cost of engineering implications I well understand.
09:45:30 However, I hope of that my statement has given the
09:45:32 decision makers some idea as to how a stop or plan a
09:45:37 study for this stop could be funded.
09:45:39 This is not intended as an either/or consideration but
09:45:45 both and.
09:45:48 Many areas including two others in this state are
09:45:50 planning high speed stops at a airport for a complete
09:45:54 multimodal approach.
09:45:55 I thank the council for this opportunity and remind
09:45:57 everyone to consider how increased access mobility and
09:46:03 mobility through connectivity is always the right
09:46:05 decision for sustainable and livable community.
09:46:07 (Bell sounds)
09:46:09 Thanks again.
09:46:12 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you very much.
09:46:12 >> Bob McDonaugh, economic development department.
09:46:16 Two issues.
09:46:17 I'm here first to speak in support of the -- you are
09:46:21 going to be considering the purchase after new series
09:46:23 of parking meters for downtown.
09:46:26 And it's a great step forward in making our downtown
09:46:29 more user friendly.
09:46:31 We have a lot of people that have been discouraged from
09:46:33 visiting because they don't have that big pocket full
09:46:35 of quarters it takes to keep from getting a ticket.
09:46:38 And our merchant and visitors to downtown are very
09:46:41 excited about the prospect of this.
09:46:43 It will make downtown a much more user friendly place
09:46:45 to visit.
09:46:46 My second point is a support of removal of the existing
09:46:50 development agreement for the Kress block.
09:46:53 When they come back with a development plan, council
09:46:55 will have an opportunity to talk to them about
09:46:59 different ideas and things that the council would want.
09:47:02 This existing agreement had to do with a development
09:47:05 agreement that was based on a development done during
09:47:10 the high-rise residential times.
09:47:13 Sometimes it changed.
09:47:14 And so we give the developer an opportunity to come
09:47:17 back to council with another plan.
09:47:19 Thank you.
09:47:19 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you.
09:47:23 >> I'm Brenda Doreen Hicks, owner of two historic
09:47:30 buildings in downtown Tampa.
09:47:31 I'm an MI A member of the appraisal institute.
09:47:34 I come to you today having just come off of a four-day
09:47:37 visit to Detroit, and when I heard we were going to
09:47:41 talk about some issues facing our city, I got excited.
09:47:45 Parking is imperative.
09:47:47 I was never so sad to leave my hometown of Detroit on
09:47:50 Sunday seeing what has happened there.
09:47:52 And we have great opportunities here.
09:47:54 We have to support this parking I shall I, number one.
09:47:57 We want people in our city.
09:47:59 The city is your soul.
09:48:00 The city is your heart.
09:48:01 And if weep lose that because people don't want to come
09:48:03 down here, we are in a world of hurt, and we don't want
09:48:06 to go visit Detroit.
09:48:07 On the Kress building, I'm really, really familiar with
09:48:10 that property.
09:48:10 I was there when we were going through some rezonings
09:48:13 in the past, and I think you are going to find that if
09:48:15 you keep moving in the direction you are, things will
09:48:19 work out well between the developer and the council and
09:48:22 the zoning to preserve what needs to be preserved, and
09:48:28 let go of what needs to be let go.
09:48:30 There's always an economic driver behind things to make
09:48:33 it happen.
09:48:33 You have an economic driver when you are considering
09:48:35 the good things that happen in the city, and developers
09:48:37 have one as well.
09:48:38 They are not all evil.
09:48:39 They are not all negligent.
09:48:41 They are out there doing good things and we all need a
09:48:44 tax base.
09:48:44 We need everybody to work together.
09:48:46 We need to get that development order which is outdated
09:48:49 and useless in the market going forward.
09:48:51 Thank you.
09:48:51 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you.
09:48:54 Next speaker.
09:48:54 >> Good morning.
09:48:59 Abbye Doering, 508 North Tampa Street.
09:49:03 I would like to say I'm in full support of the
09:49:05 multi-phase technology meters, worked on several
09:49:08 committees with the downtown partnership, as well as
09:49:10 Jim Corbett and the transportation department.
09:49:13 It been a pleasure.
09:49:14 We have done a lot of research to make sure that we
09:49:16 have the best system possible.
09:49:20 And I just hope that moves forward.
09:49:22 The retailers are very thrilled.
09:49:23 >> I'm Rosemary Goudreau, 2913 west Tampa Bay Tampa
09:49:38 I want to make three observations on rail.
09:49:41 First, nothing should enter the first leg of high-speed
09:49:46 rail from Orlando which is going to transform our
09:49:50 downtown and put our region on the map.
09:49:51 Second, it's unworkable to study high-speed rail to the
09:49:56 More consensus is needed for the feds to seriously
09:50:00 consider that application.
09:50:01 Third, light rail and high tech buses are going to
09:50:05 transform the quality of life in Hillsborough County.
09:50:09 But it's also a laudable goal to better engage the
09:50:13 public on the once in a century decisions being made
09:50:18 right now.
09:50:18 If high-speed rail doesn't go to the airport, where
09:50:21 does it go next?
09:50:23 St. Pete?
09:50:28 Just as decisions made 20 years ago affect the choices
09:50:31 that are being made today, so too today's decisions
09:50:36 have long-term consequences.
09:50:38 I applaud you for raising the questions that others are
09:50:42 Especially you, councilwoman Mulhern.
09:50:45 Just a year ago, no one even knew we were going to get
09:50:49 high-speed rail.
09:50:50 The choices aren't black and white.
09:50:52 It's important to ask good questions.
09:50:56 Then it's equally important for us all to listen, and
09:51:00 listen hard.
09:51:01 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you.
09:51:05 Next speaker.
09:51:05 >> Chip Hayward, 4015 Starfish Lane, Tampa, Florida.
09:51:14 I'm an architect here in Tampa, Florida.
09:51:18 I am in support of doing a study from connecting the
09:51:21 high speed train to the Tampa International Airport.
09:51:25 I think it vital to the economic growth of this
09:51:28 And I don't think we should postpone the study.
09:51:30 I think the study should move forward.
09:51:33 The study can go on concurrently with whatever plans
09:51:36 they have for high speed train now.
09:51:40 I think if Tampa Airport is going to grow and expand
09:51:43 and compete with Orlando's airport, we need to have the
09:51:48 I don't know if you have ever traveled in Europe and
09:51:52 been able to get off of a plane and get directly to
09:51:54 high speed train.
09:51:56 It is a major convenience.
09:51:59 Having to catch a taxi or bus or light rail, train,
09:52:04 from the airport to downtown Tampa, where the station
09:52:07 is now, it just not -- it's not going to be
09:52:12 accommodating to tourists and visitors to Tampa.
09:52:15 So thank you.
09:52:16 >> Good morning, council.
09:52:23 My name is Joe McCants, 2114 West alona street, and I
09:52:28 want to speak in favor of the high-speed rail
09:52:30 connection to the Tampa Airport.
09:52:33 Also, as an architect, I'm a board member here at a
09:52:36 local AIA chapter, and we also as architects are
09:52:41 trained to study patterns of cities, and airport to
09:52:45 airport terminus is the only efficient to be the proper
09:52:50 termination for the high-speed rail.
09:52:55 Thank you.
09:52:56 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you, sir.
09:52:59 That concludes then our public comments.
09:53:02 Does anyone here wish to ask council for
09:53:04 reconsideration on a legislative matter?
09:53:09 Hearing none, we'll move to the ordinances on number 5.
09:53:14 Mr. Miranda,.
09:53:16 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Move 5 and 6 to be opened,
09:53:20 Mr. Chairman.
09:53:20 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Mr. Chairman, I'm sorry, just to read
09:53:27 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Item 5.
09:53:28 I believe there's a substitute ordinance.
09:53:30 Mr. Miranda may want to move that.
09:53:31 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I will read it in a minute.
09:53:34 Let me say this is an epidemic throughout this country.
09:53:36 The state of Washington just created one of the most
09:53:39 strictest pain clinic ordinances around.
09:53:44 Just to give you some facts, nationwide fatalities from
09:53:47 prescription drug overdoses are the second leading
09:53:51 cause for accidental death in this country right behind
09:53:55 automobile accidents.
09:54:03 Last year it equaled to 7% of all drugs prescribed in
09:54:07 Now 7% doesn't sound like much.
09:54:08 But when with you compare it to total drug sales,
09:54:22 compared to antibiotics it far surpasses that.
09:54:25 So we do have an epidemic, and I feel compelled to read
09:54:29 this because it's the right thing to do, and also want
09:54:31 to thank the legal department for working so diligently
09:54:39 and coming up with this ordinance.
09:54:41 This ordinance ties up, Mr. Chairman, a lot of things
09:54:43 that were left out of different titles.
09:54:45 First of all, you have to put down your current home
09:54:49 telephone number of those that are doing it, the pain
09:54:52 management clinic director must sign on, the property
09:54:57 owner must also sign on.
09:54:59 They also must witness and say whether they have any
09:55:01 interest or any type of financial gains from other
09:55:05 businesses such as pharmacy that they are involved
09:55:09 Just recently, the police department closed our second
09:55:11 pain clinic in Tampa and did an outstanding job.
09:55:16 Employees that are employed by these clinics also must
09:55:19 be -- all of the responsibilities of those that run the
09:55:25 pain management clinics and give them all, if they had
09:55:31 any fatalities in the last five years, they must screen
09:55:34 all their employees.
09:55:35 Just to be a temporary employee doesn't cut it anymore.
09:55:37 You must say who you are, what you do and so forth and
09:55:40 so on.
09:55:40 And there's a list of things that I won't go through
09:55:43 all of because I don't want -- I know we have a long
09:55:46 But it my pleasure and honor to represent present this
09:55:50 ordinance to this council for an adoption.
09:55:52 An ordinance in the City of Tampa amending City of
09:55:54 Tampa code ordinance chapter 6, division 2, pain
09:55:59 management clinics, section 26-256 and section 6-258
09:56:05 providing for repeal of all ordinances in conflict,
09:56:07 providing for severability, providing an effective
09:56:12 Anytime somebody is making money, anytime somebody is
09:56:15 doing something that makes them rich for whatever
09:56:19 reason, at the expense of people dying, that's what
09:56:23 this is about.
09:56:24 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Let me just hold that motion in
09:56:27 abeyance, and then we move to add it to the agenda
09:56:30 because it is a substitute ordinance as advised by
09:56:34 legal council.
09:56:36 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I move to add it to the agenda the
09:56:37 substitute ordinance.
09:56:39 >> Second.
09:56:40 >>THOMAS SCOTT: All in favor?
09:56:41 Now we are back to that motion.
09:56:43 Moved by councilman Miranda.
09:56:45 Seconded by councilman Mulhern.
09:56:48 Mr. Miranda, thank you for -- for your leadership on
09:56:51 the issue.
09:56:52 You brought this to City Council and spearheaded and
09:56:55 worked with the legal, city attorney, to move this
09:57:00 So thank you for your leadership on this issue.
09:57:02 It been moved and seconded.
09:57:03 All in favor signify by saying Aye.
09:57:06 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried unanimously.
09:57:09 Second reading of the ordinance will be held August
09:57:12 26th at 9:30 a.m.
09:57:15 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Item 6.
09:57:24 Mr. Stokes, would you read that ordinance, please?
09:57:29 >>CURTIS STOKES: An ordinance amending ordinance number
09:57:34 2010-66 passed and ordained by the City Council of the
09:57:37 City of Tampa June 3, 2010 which approved a wet zoning
09:57:41 3 PS for 16041 Tampa Palms Boulevard west, correcting a
09:57:47 scrivener's error by substituting a complete exhibit
09:57:50 "A" for the incomplete exhibit "A" that was supplied in
09:57:54 error, providing for severability, providing an
09:57:55 effective date.
09:57:55 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Second.
09:57:59 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: I am going to abstain from this
09:58:03 because of litigation with this company.
09:58:04 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Okay.
09:58:09 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Mr. Chairman, thank you, councilman
09:58:12 Caetano for that.
09:58:13 I will see that the paperwork is prepared for you to
09:58:17 file today for that item.
09:58:18 Also, this motion is for first reading consideration.
09:58:21 Is that correct?
09:58:22 >> Yes.
09:58:25 Seconded by councilman Miranda.
09:58:27 All in favor?
09:58:29 We move now --
09:58:30 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried with Caetano abstaining.
09:58:32 Second reading of the ordinance will be held August
09:58:35 26th at 9:30 a.m.
09:58:37 >> move now to our committee reports, public safety
09:58:41 chairwoman Councilwoman Miller.
09:58:43 >>GWEN MILLER: Move resolution 7.
09:58:47 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Second.
09:58:49 >>THOMAS SCOTT: All in favor?
09:58:51 Parks and recreation, chairman Stokes.
09:58:56 >>CURTIS STOKES: Move 8 through 11.
09:58:59 >>MARY MULHERN: Second.
09:59:02 >>THOMAS SCOTT: All in you favor?
09:59:06 Public Works Committee, councilman chair Charlie
09:59:10 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Move items 12 through 23.
09:59:15 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Seconded by Councilwoman Mulhern.
09:59:19 All in favor signify by saying Aye.
09:59:23 Finance Committee, Councilwoman Mary Mulhern.
09:59:26 >>MARY MULHERN: I move items 24 through 31.
09:59:30 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Second.
09:59:35 >>THOMAS SCOTT: All in favor signify by saying Aye.
09:59:40 Building and zoning, councilman Joseph Caetano.
09:59:49 Items 32 through 46.
09:59:50 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: Move items 32 through 46.
10:00:08 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Seconded by Councilwoman Mulhern.
10:00:10 All in favor signify by saying Aye.
10:00:14 Transportation committee, chair for that is
10:00:17 Councilwoman Capin.
10:00:23 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I move items 47 through 48.
10:00:28 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Seconded by councilman Miranda.
10:00:30 All in favor?
10:00:33 Need to set public hearings.
10:00:34 >>GWEN MILLER: I would like to set public hearings for
10:00:36 49 and 50.
10:00:37 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Second.
10:00:39 >> All in favor?
10:00:46 Now move to our items for second reading 51 through 52.
10:00:51 >>GWEN MILLER: Move to open.
10:00:52 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Second.
10:00:53 >>THOMAS SCOTT: All in favor?
10:01:08 Anyone wish to address council on item 51?
10:01:11 >>GWEN MILLER: Move to close.
10:01:12 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Councilwoman Mulhern.
10:01:14 Council I move an ordinance being presented for second
10:01:17 reading and adoption, an ordinance of the City of Tampa
10:01:20 amending chapter 2, article V, division 3 of the City
10:01:23 of Tampa code creating section 2-282 procurement
10:01:27 protest procedure, repealing all ordinances or parts of
10:01:30 ordinances in conflict therewith, providing for
10:01:33 severability, providing an effective date.
10:01:34 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Is there a second?
10:01:38 Moved and seconded.
10:01:46 Record your vote.
10:02:02 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried with Mulhern being absent
10:02:05 at vote.
10:02:06 Miranda being absent at vote.
10:02:08 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Item 52.
10:02:11 Anyone from the public wish to address council?
10:02:13 >>GWEN MILLER: Move to close.
10:02:16 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Moved and seconded.
10:02:17 All in favor?
10:02:19 Item 52.
10:02:20 Councilwoman Miller.
10:02:21 >>GWEN MILLER: I move to adopt the following ordinance
10:02:24 upon second reading.
10:02:25 An ordinance of the city of Tampa, Florida amending
10:02:27 City of Tampa code of ordinances, chapter 21 stormwater
10:02:32 management, repealing all ordinances in conflict,
10:02:35 providing for severability, providing an effective
10:02:40 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Seconded by councilman Caetano. Record
10:02:42 your vote, please.
10:02:49 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried with Miranda being absent
10:02:52 at vote.
10:02:52 >>THOMAS SCOTT: We have a continued public hearing.
10:03:01 Item 53.
10:03:02 All witnesses need to be sworn at this time.
10:03:03 If you are going to be -- we are moving into our second
10:03:09 If you are going to speak before council, stand and be
10:03:12 sworn at this time.
10:03:13 If you are going to be speaking, pleas stand and be
10:03:16 >>MARTIN SHELBY: On which items?
10:03:17 Just 53?
10:03:20 >>MARTIN SHELBY: All items.
10:03:24 (Oath administered by Clerk)
10:03:29 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Mr. Chairman, I ask that all written
10:03:32 communications which have been available for public
10:03:33 inspection in City Council's office be received and
10:03:36 filed into the record by motion at this time.
10:03:38 >> Motion.
10:03:46 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Seconded by Councilwoman Capin.
10:03:49 All in favor?
10:03:51 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Secondly, a very brief reminder to
10:03:54 please disclose any ex parte communications that you
10:03:57 may have had with the petitioner or any member of the
10:03:58 public in connection with today's hearings prayer to
10:04:00 the vote.
10:04:01 Lastly, there is a sign-up sheet outside.
10:04:05 Please be sure to sign the sign-up sheet, and if you
10:04:08 have not been sworn, hopefully you have been, and
10:04:11 please do remember to do so.
10:04:14 Thank you.
10:04:14 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Item 53.
10:04:19 Continued public hearing.
10:04:22 >>ABBYE FEELEY: Land Development Coordination.
10:04:23 I have been sworn.
10:04:24 Item 53 on your agenda requires certification by the
10:04:27 zoning administrator.
10:04:29 Plans have been certified and were provided to the city
10:04:32 Staff is available if you have any questions.
10:04:33 >> Petitioner?
10:04:40 >> Joseph Diaz, 2522 West Kennedy Boulevard here on
10:04:50 behalf of the petitioner.
10:04:51 As you may recall, this application is an application
10:04:53 where we are seeking to expand an existing parking lot,
10:04:59 and we are hear for second reading.
10:05:00 We respectfully request your approval.
10:05:04 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you.
10:05:04 Anyone from the public?
10:05:07 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I just want to say that I think --
10:05:09 my office had some contact this morning with Ms.
10:05:11 Feeley, and the ingress and egress will all be off of
10:05:16 Am I correct, Ms. Feeley?
10:05:19 Going to the back for the pickup?
10:05:22 For sanitation?
10:05:24 >>ABBYE FEELEY: The access is on Renellie drive.
10:05:29 At the first hearing when we presented this to
10:05:31 council -- sorry, Abbye Feeley, land development.
10:05:35 I'll go ahead and put it up on the Elmo.
10:05:37 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: The only reason I bring it up we
10:05:41 had some calls to my office yesterday and contact with
10:05:45 Ms. Feeley.
10:05:46 >> If I may orient you back to this site.
10:05:59 There's some commercial property here.
10:06:00 It just beyond that commercial property.
10:06:02 This is a request for a parking lot.
10:06:05 It is associated with commercial.
10:06:07 When they first came in, first reading, they had full
10:06:10 access at both of these locations.
10:06:14 It was the direction of council to channelize the
10:06:17 southern access toward Kennedy since that was the
10:06:21 access that was more adjacent to the residential uses.
10:06:26 There's still full access at the top, and that is
10:06:29 partially because of this grand tree here, and the
10:06:33 solid waste vehicle coming down to maneuver and pick up
10:06:36 the solid waste, and then will leave the site and head
10:06:40 toward Kennedy.
10:06:41 >> All of the channelization to the north toward
10:06:47 >> The northern driveway --
10:06:49 >> Not the northern.
10:06:50 I'm talking about --
10:06:53 >>> Yes, and it has become an out only.
10:06:56 There's in a access in there.
10:06:57 All inbound will be at the more northern driveway, yes.
10:07:01 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
10:07:02 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Anyone from the public wish to address
10:07:07 council on item 53?
10:07:09 Anyone from the public?
10:07:10 >> I have been sworn in.
10:07:17 My name is Joseph Philip, Jr., 201 south Trask and I
10:07:22 want to congratulate the new council members, Mr.
10:07:25 Stokes, Ms. Capin, and hope you have a fulfilling
10:07:32 career here.
10:07:34 Remember the last meeting we had hear was very, very,
10:07:37 very late at night, about 11:45 at night.
10:07:40 It was the last item on the agenda.
10:07:41 Everybody was worn out.
10:07:44 And I just want to make sure that we are all on the
10:07:46 same page.
10:07:49 First of all, the public notice that was put up is
10:07:54 unreadable so a lot of the elderly people could not
10:07:57 read it.
10:08:02 Nobody fixed it.
10:08:03 It been about six months.
10:08:05 Secondly, many times, there seems to be plenty of
10:08:10 parking no matter what time of day or night.
10:08:12 There's plenty of parking at this facility.
10:08:17 There's several pictures taken during dinner and lunch
10:08:19 hours, all showing plenty of parking.
10:08:21 Won't be a need for more parking on this.
10:08:23 But most importantly, we don't want this parcel turning
10:08:29 into something that it's not supposed to be.
10:08:31 As you may have read some of the letters, we brought
10:08:35 in, used to be an ice cream there and Columbia subshop
10:08:39 that was compatible with our neighborhood.
10:08:41 Very compatible.
10:08:43 Didn't need a lot of parking.
10:08:44 And when they redeveloped it to put a restaurant in
10:08:47 there, it's kind of more dense than I think it was
10:08:51 supposed to be for.
10:08:52 Kind of like putting ten pounds of chicken feed in a
10:08:57 five-pound bag.
10:08:59 And what our neighborhood is concerned about is what
10:09:02 happens during the next wave of development?
10:09:08 What's going to go there now?
10:09:12 It could be much more intense, much more busy facility,
10:09:15 and we don't want traffic coming into our neighborhood.
10:09:18 Also, we feel that the 100-foot rule cited in chapter
10:09:22 272, 272, in no case shall the parking area be extended
10:09:28 more than 100 feet from the closest boundary.
10:09:31 We feel that the variance is excessive and
10:09:34 inappropriate for this modification.
10:09:36 We would like for you to keep the site plan back to the
10:09:41 prescribed 100-foot rule in chapter 27.
10:09:44 I would also like to see the northern-most traffic
10:09:48 being channeled back out onto Kennedy.
10:09:50 There's no sense in someone pulling out from the south
10:09:53 and turning right and then someone coming out from the
10:09:55 north and turning left and having a collision.
10:09:57 I think they both need to go out to Kennedy.
10:10:00 It's very important, and I don't think City Council
10:10:07 clarified the northern-most access for traffic at the
10:10:10 last meeting.
10:10:10 They clarified the southern-most access but not the
10:10:13 So we would like to see a traffic channel device on the
10:10:16 northern-most access.
10:10:18 Last but not least, we think the 100 foot rule is
10:10:32 We want to see the traffic being channeled out on both
10:10:36 accesses, north and south.
10:10:48 That's all I have to say.
10:10:49 Thank you very much.
10:10:50 >>MARY MULHERN: I had a question for staff.
10:11:00 I'm looking at the zoning map.
10:11:06 And the zoning to the east says CN.
10:11:11 What does that mean?
10:11:12 Commercial neighborhood?
10:11:16 >> Neighborhood commercial, yes.
10:11:17 >> So what they are requesting is that -- what is the
10:11:25 existing zoning on the property?
10:11:27 >> The existing zoning is RS-75, residential
10:11:31 >> So that's residential.
10:11:33 And what's behind it is commercial neighborhood?
10:11:37 >>> Yes.
10:11:38 >>MARY MULHERN: So their rezoning request is because
10:11:42 their request doesn't fit the zoning requirements for
10:11:45 either residential or commercial neighborhood?
10:11:48 >>> It's a special use request.
10:11:50 A parking lot in residential is special use, so it does
10:11:54 not remove the residential zoning that exists on the
10:11:57 It just lays special permission for that use on top of
10:12:04 the zoning.
10:12:05 So it will still remain residential 75.
10:12:09 And if the parking lot were to cease operation, it
10:12:14 could return to a single-family residential lot.
10:12:19 Nor does it give it other commercial entitlements
10:12:22 besides the parking lot.
10:12:23 >> So should the ownership change or the use change,
10:12:30 the next owner would be able to -- would still have
10:12:33 this special use permit?
10:12:39 You said the owner or the use?
10:12:41 The use runs with the land.
10:12:43 It doesn't run with the owner.
10:12:44 But the only on the use that could be on this property
10:12:47 would be those uses permissible in the RS-75.
10:12:52 Single-family --
10:12:53 >>MARY MULHERN: If we approve the special use permit,
10:12:56 then, whoever has this, owns or is using the
10:13:02 property --
10:13:05 >>> Just for a parking lot.
10:13:06 >>MARY MULHERN: Out for a parking lot.
10:13:20 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I don't know if anyone else wishes to
10:13:21 speak before rebuttal.
10:13:23 Just to let council know that I had an opportunity to
10:13:25 review the file.
10:13:26 I looked at the picture that was filed of the sign at
10:13:28 the time the affidavit was presented.
10:13:30 And it was legible in that picture in the clerk's file.
10:13:34 Therefore the notice requirements under your code have
10:13:36 been met.
10:13:36 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Okay.
10:13:41 Thank you.
10:13:41 Anyone else?
10:13:42 Petitioner, rebuttal?
10:13:50 Joseph Diaz: With respect to the channelization of the
10:13:52 north driveway, I have been in contact with the city.
10:13:55 You have a gentleman here from solid waste with.
10:13:58 And I think solid waste is going to tell that you given
10:14:01 the fact that all of the dumpsters on the west side of
10:14:04 RENELLIE are only in a southern direction, so the picks
10:14:12 up heading towards Kennedy Boulevard, given their
10:14:16 turning radius, they can't turn their garbage trucks
10:14:20 into the site if you channelize that northern driveway.
10:14:26 They can't make the turn.
10:14:30 That's my understanding of the conversations I had with
10:14:32 You are welcome to confirm that with him.
10:14:35 My understanding quite possibly that Mary la Tiese
10:14:46 seems to be in opposition, but I haven't had any
10:14:49 conversation with her so I can't really comment on that
10:14:51 If I can for a second, Ms. Mulhern, because you weren't
10:14:54 here for the last hearing.
10:14:57 This is the shopping center where Panera Bread is at.
10:15:03 All of this property north of the subject property is
10:15:05 CG so the property to the west, the property to the
10:15:08 north is CG.
10:15:09 This lot right here is CG, and all of these lots are
10:15:14 Our parking lot would basically end right there.
10:15:20 The CN would continue further south past our parking
10:15:25 lot, about another three lots.
10:15:31 With respect to the sign, I can't tell you when he took
10:15:36 that picture.
10:15:37 That might have been this morning.
10:15:38 That sign was posted maybe three months ago.
10:15:40 I can tell you that when I took the pictures until this
10:15:46 correspondence came in within the last couple of days,
10:15:49 never heard anything about a faded sign.
10:15:51 With respect to this 100-foot waiver rule being too
10:15:56 intrusive, if I may clarify what that rule says.
10:15:58 That rule says that parking should not extend more than
10:16:04 100 feet off of the commercial use.
10:16:10 You all allowed up to 100 feet.
10:16:12 My site plan goes to 138.
10:16:15 So what you are waiving is 38 feet.
10:16:18 You are not waiving 138 feet.
10:16:21 100 feet is already permissible under the city code.
10:16:32 Unfortunately, we disagree with that gentleman's
10:16:44 assertion. If we didn't think we needed more parking
10:16:47 we wouldn't be here today.
10:16:48 He may have gone at some time in the day and taken a
10:16:51 picture maybe Sunday at 11:00 in the morning.
10:16:53 I don't know when he was there, and maybe there were no
10:16:56 cars, but we are not here because we don't need that
10:16:58 parking to serve our business.
10:17:04 As I stated before, we respectfully request your
10:17:08 >>MARY MULHERN: I'm going to ask you first, and then
10:17:11 maybe Ms. Feeley or solid waste would weigh in.
10:17:15 Basically what you are saying is our current garbage
10:17:17 pickup, tore new garbage pickup?
10:17:23 >>> The current, there are approximately ten dumpsters
10:17:26 along the west side of Renellie and all of those
10:17:31 dumpsters are oriented in a southerly direction and
10:17:33 everybody there like that for years.
10:17:35 This is not now arising because of our request.
10:17:39 When they do their run, they run down in a northerly
10:17:42 direction on Renellie.
10:17:45 As it presently exists now they then turn into this
10:17:48 driveway that he wants to you channelize in a southerly
10:17:50 direction, come onto our property, take our two
10:17:53 dumpsters, and then they have to basically back out
10:17:57 back to Renellie to then continue north.
10:17:59 So the new site plan, they would come in on that same
10:18:04 northern driveway, drive up, pick up the dumpsters,
10:18:09 back out, and then go out that channelized driveway at
10:18:14 the south.
10:18:19 >>MARY MULHERN: Basically what you are saying is they
10:18:22 can make a left turn -- it possible for the -- only
10:18:28 possible for these garbage trucks to make a left turn
10:18:30 rather than a right turn?
10:18:32 >>> A right turn.
10:18:33 They are coming from the south.
10:18:36 They are coming from the south heading north, and they
10:18:38 are turning right to come onto our property.
10:18:40 >> To enter, right.
10:18:42 >> Okay?
10:18:43 And so they are wanting that driveway -- they are
10:18:46 wanting it to be channelized which means now that I
10:18:48 guess the garbage truck would have to go past us, turn
10:18:51 around somewhere, and then come back to just pick us
10:18:54 up, because they couldn't do their normal run.
10:19:00 >>MARY MULHERN: I don't have a site plan in front of
10:19:09 If you would put it up there so you can show me on
10:19:17 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Okay.
10:19:17 Mr. Dais, were you raise ago question with staff?
10:19:22 Are you talking to staff?
10:19:24 >>MARY MULHERN: It's okay, he can show me.
10:19:26 I just want with someone to show me.
10:19:28 >>> It is north.
10:19:32 This building here is Kennedy Boulevard.
10:19:34 Here is Renellie.
10:19:36 Over here is that shopping center that we are talking
10:19:39 Along Renellie, there are garbage cans, or dumpsters
10:19:44 that are oriented in a southerly direction.
10:19:47 So as it presently exists, the dumpster truck comes
10:19:51 this way, makes all its pickups, gets to our property,
10:19:55 turns in here, comes over here.
10:19:59 The dumpsters presently sit about here, pick them up
10:20:03 and then they back up and go out.
10:20:06 Now they are going to come like this, pick up and go
10:20:09 this way.
10:20:12 This is the driveway they are now asking you to
10:20:15 channelize in a southerly -- in a northerly direction.
10:20:17 >>MARY MULHERN: And that driveway now is your ingress?
10:20:26 >> Right now, this doesn't exist.
10:20:29 So that's the only way --
10:20:31 >>MARY MULHERN: Okay, the other one -- all right.
10:20:33 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Other questions from council?
10:20:45 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I'm very familiar with the area.
10:20:47 I lived for ten years at 302 west royal palm way.
10:20:52 My property backed up to Azeele, on the corner of
10:20:57 RENELLIE, so I drove up RENELLIE drive from Kennedy for
10:21:06 Isn't RENELLIE the back of the plaza where Panera's and
10:21:10 the shopping center is lined with dumpsters.
10:21:15 >>> That is correct.
10:21:17 >> And that's been in there for years.
10:21:20 >>> I don't know for how long but I would as assume as
10:21:25 that --
10:21:26 >> I have been there for ten years, and for ten years
10:21:28 it was there.
10:21:29 So I just wanted to ask you that question.
10:21:33 They are there now.
10:21:34 >>> Oh, there are 13 dumpsters between Kennedy and
10:21:39 Cleveland on the west side of RENELLIE.
10:21:44 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I'm very familiar with that.
10:21:46 Thank you.
10:21:46 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Any other questions from council?
10:21:49 Motion to close.
10:21:51 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: So moved.
10:21:53 >>MARY MULHERN: Second.
10:21:53 >>THOMAS SCOTT: All in favor?
10:21:55 What's the pleasure of council?
10:21:57 >>GWEN MILLER: Need to read it.
10:22:07 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I move to adopt the following ordinance
10:22:10 upon second reading.
10:22:11 Ordinance presented for second reading.
10:22:15 An ordinance approving a special use permit S-2
10:22:18 approving parking, off-street commercial in an RS-75
10:22:24 residential single-family zoning district in the
10:22:25 general vicinity of 106 and 108 RENELLIE drive in the
10:22:29 city of Tampa, Florida and as more particularly
10:22:34 described in section 1 hereof providing an effective
10:22:40 Continued from July 15, 2010.
10:22:43 >>CURTIS STOKES: Second.
10:22:45 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Seconded by councilman Stokes.
10:22:47 Record your vote, please.
10:22:58 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried with Scott voting no.
10:23:00 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Item 54.
10:23:05 >>GWEN MILLER: Move to close.
10:23:15 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Anyone from the public wish to address
10:23:17 the public on item 54?
10:23:20 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Second the motion to close.
10:23:23 >>THOMAS SCOTT: All in favor?
10:23:24 Councilman Caetano.
10:23:25 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: An ordinance presented for second
10:23:28 reading and adoption, an ordinance amending ordinance
10:23:31 2006-159 as amended by ordinance 2008-137 vacating,
10:23:36 closing, discontinuing, abandoning certain
10:23:40 rights-of-way all or a portion of those certain
10:23:43 rights-of-way contained within the proposed Heights
10:23:46 community development district generally located south
10:23:48 of Ross Avenue, west of Tampa street, north of the
10:23:53 north bank of the Hillsborough River, and east of North
10:23:56 Boulevard in the City of Tampa, Hillsborough County,
10:23:59 Florida, amending section 5 of said ordinance to allow
10:24:03 the petitioner additional time to comply with ordinance
10:24:06 conditions, providing an effective date.
10:24:07 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Moved and seconded by councilman
10:24:12 Record your vote, please.
10:24:21 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried with Mulhern being absent
10:24:26 at vote.
10:24:26 >>THOMAS SCOTT: We have about five minute before our
10:24:36 10:30 staff report time certain.
10:24:42 We can take up new business.
10:24:44 Does anyone have new business?
10:24:47 >>CURTIS STOKES: No, sir.
10:24:47 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: No, sir.
10:24:52 >>GWEN MILLER: None.
10:24:53 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Councilman Caetano?
10:24:55 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: None right now, Mr. Chairman.
10:24:59 >>THOMAS SCOTT: We are under new business.
10:24:59 Two items I want to come -- bring up.
10:25:03 I think you received a memo from me yesterday
10:25:05 requesting we do a commendation at our next City
10:25:07 Council meeting, which is the 5th, I believe, of
10:25:11 This commendation is going to the three women who
10:25:13 assisted the two policemen a few weeks ago, Dolores
10:25:16 King, Miss Dotson and Miss Roundtree.
10:25:26 Let me also say that I was on a talk show this past
10:25:32 weekend, and Chief Castor called in, and I wanted to
10:25:36 thank her for calling in and explaining a lot of the
10:25:40 concerns that the residents or people have in the
10:25:43 community, and also ongoing support for these three
10:25:50 I understand one of them has been moved and much better
10:25:53 living arrangement conditions or better housing, and
10:25:57 they have been given supplies, backpacks to the
10:26:01 children as they go to school, also receiving
10:26:07 counseling, that would come from the families of the
10:26:09 police officers, and other policemen.
10:26:11 And so we certainly want to thank the chief for her
10:26:15 ongoing support of these three women.
10:26:18 So the motion is for commendation to all three of these
10:26:21 >>GWEN MILLER: Motion and second.
10:26:22 All in favor say Aye.
10:26:24 Opposed, Nay.
10:26:24 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Okay.
10:26:27 The second thing I want to bring to council is, and I
10:26:32 want to be very clear, that the mayor and I were in
10:26:36 consultation, had a chance to talk, I believe on Monday
10:26:39 or Tuesday, relative to renaming the College Hill
10:26:51 The city does not have the authority to do that.
10:26:53 However, we can petition the county commission who does
10:26:56 I have already been in contact with Mr. Ken Hagan,
10:27:00 I have already sent a letter over.
10:27:05 I think it will send a stronger statement a letter
10:27:08 coming from City Council.
10:27:09 And so I will move that council would allow me to draft
10:27:13 a letter on behalf of City Council requesting that the
10:27:15 College Hill library be named in honor of Mr. Steve
10:27:20 light Andrew, a citizen who served this community well
10:27:23 for many years, and has family everybody good citizens
10:27:27 throughout this community.
10:27:28 And so that would be my motion.
10:27:30 >>GWEN MILLER: I have a motion and second.
10:27:32 All in favor say Aye.
10:27:34 Opposed Nay.
10:27:36 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: I have a new business I want to
10:27:39 bring up.
10:27:41 We have requested in the past that the administration
10:27:43 or public works look at County Line Road for
10:27:47 Last night I was coming down County Line Road, and
10:27:50 there was a gentleman on the side of the road, sort of
10:27:53 walking in the grass.
10:27:54 I didn't see him until I was almost on top of him.
10:27:57 It's very dangerous.
10:28:00 And I know we generate a lot of revenue out of Grand
10:28:05 It's a mixed bag because you have Hillsborough County,
10:28:07 you have Pasco County, and you have the City of Tampa
10:28:11 I think there needs to be a joint effort in order to
10:28:14 get some streetlight there, because there are more and
10:28:16 more people walking on that road at night.
10:28:20 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Okay.
10:28:23 We will move --
10:28:25 >>MARTIN SHELBY: A question then.
10:28:26 Did you want to just make the statement?
10:28:29 Did you want --
10:28:32 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: I want the administration to come
10:28:33 back with a report.
10:28:34 Are they going to dot?
10:28:35 I was told that the poles are too far off the road.
10:28:39 And if they are too far to have road, somebody has got
10:28:42 to put some new poles up there because there have been
10:28:45 a lot of deaths there right now in the last couple of
10:28:48 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Did you want that staff report on the
10:28:50 26th of August?
10:28:56 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: Right.
10:28:58 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Moved and seconded.
10:28:59 All in favor signify by saying Aye.
10:29:10 We still have about a minute.
10:29:11 We want to take up the item 66.
10:29:24 Do we need to wait until exactly 10:30?
10:29:26 >>MARTIN SHELBY: My apologies.
10:29:28 There is one other item you can take up right now.
10:29:30 That is number 81 which was added to the agenda it just
10:29:40 a consent item to set the resolution for the Central
10:29:42 Park development group LLC to create a community
10:29:46 development district for Encore.
10:29:48 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you.
10:29:51 Thank you for highlighting that H.so we have a motion.
10:29:53 Did we get a motion?
10:29:55 >>GWEN MILLER: Move resolution 81.
10:29:59 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Moved by Councilwoman Miller, seconded
10:30:01 by Councilwoman Mulhern.
10:30:03 This is setting the -- for the Encore development in
10:30:09 Central Park.
10:30:12 To move forward the redevelopment and the building of
10:30:22 the Encore project.
10:30:23 All in favor say Aye.
10:30:25 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Item 66?
10:30:42 >>GWEN MILLER: Wait for Mr. Miranda to come back.
10:30:43 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Item 66, the public hearing has been
10:30:47 closed on that item.
10:30:48 All that's required is a vote by council on item 66.
10:30:58 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Mr. Chairman, by way of background,
10:31:03 council, to refresh your recollection, this was placed
10:31:05 on the agenda from, I believe, June 24th.
10:31:11 It was placed on this agenda pursuant to rules 4-C and
10:31:15 4-E, requesting an SU-II sale of 4(COP-X) at 208 South
10:31:26 Howard Avenue.
10:31:28 Council, councilman Caetano presented the ordinance for
10:31:34 first reading.
10:31:36 It was read by title only at that time.
10:31:39 Further, the motion included that the site plan be
10:31:41 amended between first and second reading to incorporate
10:31:45 the decisions outlined by Abbye Feeley of land
10:31:49 development, and the condition requested by Ron Weaver,
10:31:53 petitioner's representative, that the business shall
10:31:55 offer full course meals consisting of salad, vegetable
10:31:58 and entree during all hours, that alcoholic beverages
10:32:03 be added as well.
10:32:05 That was not adopted with council members Miranda and
10:32:07 Mulhern voting no.
10:32:09 Because this did not receive the requisite four votes
10:32:12 as required by the city charter, it is continued to now
10:32:16 having a full council present.
10:32:18 We are awaiting Mr. Miranda returning to the dais.
10:32:23 But that being said, before you is this item.
10:32:27 The public hearing is closed.
10:32:29 There is no additional testimony.
10:32:31 You are to base your evidence solely on the record that
10:32:34 was presented up to the close at the public hearing.
10:32:36 Council members Capin and Stokes have been provided
10:32:40 with the DVD and the record.
10:32:42 And I ask each of you, are you prepared to vote on this
10:32:46 Council member Capin.
10:32:48 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Yes.
10:32:49 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Council member Stokes?
10:32:51 >>CURTIS STOKES: Yes.
10:32:53 >>MARTIN SHELBY: You are presented with an ordinance
10:32:54 for first reading.
10:32:55 And the effect of that, council, is that should this
10:32:58 pass, your motion in effect is to move it to a second
10:33:01 reading and adoption public hearing where the item will
10:33:03 be considered again.
10:33:07 And that would be, I believe, August 24th if it
10:33:10 does go forward.
10:33:12 So that being said, I would ask that the maker of the
10:33:15 motion read the ordinance again by title as required by
10:33:18 Florida statutes, and then a vote be taken.
10:33:21 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Ms. Miller.
10:33:25 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Mr. Caetano.
10:33:26 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Item 66.
10:33:27 >>MARTIN SHELBY: It's just an ordinance repealing.
10:33:39 Read right from there.
10:33:40 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: An ordinance repealing ordinance
10:33:50 96-116 approving a special use permit S-2 for alcoholic
10:33:58 beverage sales small venue and making lawful the sale
10:34:01 of beverages regardless of alcoholic content beer, wine
10:34:04 and liquor 4(COP-X) for consumption on premises only at
10:34:07 or from that certain lot, plot or tract of land located
10:34:12 at 208 South Howard Avenue, Tampa, Florida, as more
10:34:17 particularly described in section 3 hereof, providing
10:34:19 for repeal of all ordinances in conflict, providing an
10:34:22 effective date.
10:34:22 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Seconded by Councilwoman Miller.
10:34:29 Just do clarify that was repealing ordinance 96-116.
10:34:33 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: You know, Mr. Chairman --
10:34:38 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Mr. Miranda, I'm sorry.
10:34:41 I don't believe that any discussion amongst council, it
10:34:46 just for a vote at this point in time.
10:34:48 That was my understanding, that there would be no
10:34:53 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: All right.
10:34:54 Then I stand muted.
10:34:56 [ Laughter ]
10:35:02 >>THOMAS SCOTT: It's moved and seconded.
10:35:03 All in favor signify by saying Aye.
10:35:10 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried with Miranda voting no.
10:35:14 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I stand alone, too.
10:35:16 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Mulhern as well.
10:35:18 >>THE CLERK: And Mulhern.
10:35:19 >>MARTIN SHELBY: We have an announcement, second
10:35:22 reading of public hearing.
10:35:24 >>THE CLERK: Second reading of the ordinance will be
10:35:25 held August 6th at 9:30 a.m.
10:35:30 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: At which time I can speak.
10:35:32 >>MARTIN SHELBY: As to this issue?
10:35:38 At second reading you certainly can, sir, absolutely.
10:35:40 >>THOMAS SCOTT: It is my understanding that there was
10:35:44 something going to be added to the record bit by the
10:35:47 Do you still want to do that?
10:35:49 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Oh, yes, if we can.
10:35:50 Just for the purposes of the record, and my apologies,
10:35:54 Mr. Chairman.
10:35:57 At the time of the public hearing, an exhibit was
10:36:00 produced by Mr. Weaver, and that was not able to be
10:36:05 taken to the record.
10:36:07 That item was filed and submitted to the clerk in a
10:36:12 smaller paper form that does appear on your addendum,
10:36:16 and, council, it would be appropriate then to receive
10:36:18 and file that and make that as part of the record.
10:36:20 >>GWEN MILLER: Move to receive and file.
10:36:24 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Moved and second.
10:36:26 Mr. Weaver?
10:36:30 Moved and second.
10:36:31 All in favor signify by saying Aye. Opposes? Okay.
10:36:34 And we need to stress again the second reading is going
10:36:37 to be the 26th of August.
10:36:38 Is that right?
10:36:40 Everything today is going to the 26th because
10:36:42 council will not be in session on the 19th because
10:36:45 of the Florida League of Cities.
10:36:50 We will take up now item 62.
10:37:03 I would like to move that resolution.
10:37:05 If you can hold the noise down, please.
10:37:07 Council is still in session.
10:37:15 Item 62 is the resolution that's prepared, and council
10:37:22 all had access to that a few days ago.
10:37:25 That resolution simply speaks to moving forward with
10:37:28 the high speed construction for the additional fund
10:37:35 made available through the federal government.
10:37:38 >>GWEN MILLER: Second.
10:37:42 We have a motion and second.
10:37:43 All in favor of the motion say Aye.
10:37:45 Opposed, Nay.
10:37:45 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Item 63, we are requesting Mr.
10:37:52 Turanchik or someone from FDOT.
10:37:54 I believe Mr. Turanchik is here, and Mr. Thibault, and
10:38:06 from the Aviation Authority, if they would come forward
10:38:09 at this time, and address the issue.
10:38:12 As I recall, the issue of the leg going from downtown
10:38:18 to the airport applying for planning dollars, right?
10:38:26 So I guess you may want to address that.
10:38:28 Council, you may want to ask additional questions on
10:38:34 Last week -- the motion had just passed, but the
10:38:37 resolution was so that he could move forward, with the
10:38:39 new dollars he can complete the leg from Orlando to
10:38:44 The issue before us now is whether we can get planning
10:38:49 dollars to move forward to the airport.
10:38:54 So you may want to speak to that.
10:38:56 >>MARY MULHERN: Yes.
10:38:58 I just want to say a few things before we start.
10:39:04 And this relate to the resolution that we just passed,
10:39:07 I want to thank this council for our leadership in
10:39:10 voting in favor of the light rail link to the airport,
10:39:14 which we did a few weeks ago, and reaffirmed last week,
10:39:18 and it's very important to us that this go forward.
10:39:24 We are in support of a light rail station at the
10:39:28 And this council has been unified on that.
10:39:32 I wanted to make that very clear.
10:39:35 Since the time we passed our resolution, the Hart board
10:39:39 voted to proceed to study that light rail stop.
10:39:43 So the place we are right now is Hart is going to do
10:39:49 alternative analysis for routes, two different routes,
10:39:57 actually four.
10:39:57 They are going to study four.
10:40:01 Two from downtown to the airport and two between
10:40:02 downtown and USF.
10:40:05 So I just want to compliment everyone here for our
10:40:08 leadership on that, because a few month ago, no one was
10:40:12 even talking about having a light rail stop at the
10:40:15 So we are very supportive of that.
10:40:17 And I want everyone to know that.
10:40:21 We received a long memo from Mr. Thibault through the
10:40:32 mayor and I found it astonishing and I hope you will be
10:40:36 able to address this between the three of you and we
10:40:39 can ask questions.
10:40:40 But to me it was astonish issuing that he said that for
10:40:44 26 years, a high-speed rail stop at Tampa International
10:40:48 Airport has never been studied.
10:40:53 And I see Ed nodding.
10:40:55 So that's important to realize that for the first time
10:41:01 some public officials are asking for us to study that.
10:41:06 This competition between Orlando and Tampa Airport is
10:41:16 very real.
10:41:19 It must be a couple of years old.
10:41:22 And newspaper ads in the Tampa market for more than two
10:41:28 years with Orlando trying to draw to draw Tampa
10:41:36 customers to Orlando because they have more direct
10:41:38 And this campaign worked, because since the time that
10:41:43 they have been marketing their airport, and we have
10:41:48 less international sites, less direct flight at our
10:41:52 airport than they do.
10:41:56 So I just wanted to say that, and also say that I
10:42:00 personally -- and I believe we have shown in our voting
10:42:04 over the last month or so that we support light rail, a
10:42:10 light rail station downtown, and we support a light
10:42:14 rail station at the airport.
10:42:17 It's been made very clear, as someone from the public
10:42:19 said earlier, this is not an either-or proposition.
10:42:27 So whatever you say in the public today, please don't
10:42:29 frame it as if we are opposing a downtown light rail
10:42:32 station or an airport light rail station, because that
10:42:36 has never been said, and in fact in my three and a half
10:42:41 years on the MPO, I have been one person on that board
10:42:47 who has been insisting that we study a light rail stop
10:42:52 to the airport.
10:42:53 And I am one person, when I'm not the one person.
10:42:57 This council is the one body that has brought up when
10:43:00 we found out we were going to get high-speed rail to
10:43:02 Tampa, studying that at the airport.
10:43:10 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Let me go back and give a little
10:43:11 history because I had the privilege of serving for ten
10:43:13 years on the county commission.
10:43:15 First of all, light rail to the airport has always been
10:43:18 a part of the plan.
10:43:21 John, now I was on the aviation for five years, it part
10:43:24 of the master plan now that we voted on and approved
10:43:26 and I was on the aviation of the light rail to go to
10:43:28 the airport.
10:43:29 Secondly, it was a part of the '99 discussion, part of
10:43:34 the 2003 discussion as well, and then I also was on the
10:43:38 task force that commissioner Ken Hagan pulled together.
10:43:42 Again that task force also voted for light rail to go
10:43:46 to the airport.
10:43:48 It just that Hart now has voted to do the alternative
10:43:51 analysis to move forward.
10:43:53 But as it's always been, since I have been elected
10:43:57 official anyway for a light rail stop to go to the
10:44:00 airport, and I believe the record will show that.
10:44:04 So I just want to make that one correction, that that's
10:44:08 nothing new.
10:44:10 That goes back to my tenure on Hart as well, my tenure
10:44:15 on the county commission and also on the transportation
10:44:17 task force that voted to support that.
10:44:19 That recommendation.
10:44:20 So I just want to be clear for the record.
10:44:22 >>MARY MULHERN: Thank you for correcting me.
10:44:25 And you have a much longer history on these issues than
10:44:28 I do.
10:44:29 But let me correct myself and say that in the three
10:44:32 years that I have been on the MPO board, the airport
10:44:36 stop was not discussed, and the study was not put
10:44:45 And whenever I would bring that up -- and I was -- I
10:44:49 don't know if anybody else.
10:44:50 You may have brought it up on the MPO board, also.
10:44:53 But I would bring it up for the past three years, and
10:44:55 every time I would even ask, are we studying a stop at
10:44:59 the airport for light rail, there was no -- we can't do
10:45:05 that, it's not possible.
10:45:07 So when we are told it's not possible --
10:45:12 >>THOMAS SCOTT: I never heard that.
10:45:14 I have never heard light rail was not possible.
10:45:16 I never heard that discussion.
10:45:17 >>MARY MULHERN: No, in the first leg, as we are trying
10:45:21 to -- as they were building -- trying to build support
10:45:24 for the light rail referendum that's coming up in
10:45:27 November, that's what I need to clarify.
10:45:31 The light rail stop for the first leg, this is the
10:45:34 first time that it's been considered.
10:45:36 With the alternative.
10:45:37 With that vote for the alternative analysis, since I
10:45:40 have been on City Council, and on the MPO board, the
10:45:45 discussion about the route that the voters are going to
10:45:50 choose whether to support or not did not include a stop
10:45:53 at the airport.
10:45:56 If somebody can show me otherwise, fine.
10:46:01 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Do you want to come to speak to that?
10:46:03 We need to focus on this high speed leadership.
10:46:05 >> John Wheat with the international airport.
10:46:09 Pleased to be here today and to see you all.
10:46:11 The issue that councilman Mulhern has brought up with
10:46:15 regards to light rail, we have, since 2003, prepared a
10:46:20 couple of studies.
10:46:23 The most recent was in 2007 which provided for light
10:46:26 rail corridor to come into the airport on a
10:46:28 right-of-way that we have identified, and we have also
10:46:31 been able to identify that right-of-way to serve our
10:46:32 existing terminal, the future north terminal, and if
10:46:36 Hart wishes to take it further north, we also have an
10:46:39 access route on the CSX lines all the way to Linebaugh.
10:46:44 From the standpoint of the MPO, the light rail stop at
10:46:48 the airport has always been incorporated, I know, look
10:46:51 into the light rail program.
10:46:53 Council member Mulhern is absolutely correct that it
10:46:56 was never envisioned to be a first stop.
10:46:59 Normally when you are just looking at a light rail
10:47:01 program within the community, the airports are usually
10:47:04 not the first stop of that program.
10:47:07 Usually you let the major routes where your population
10:47:10 is coming from their house to the civic centers or to
10:47:13 the urban centers, and then as that builds, then the
10:47:16 airports are brought in so they are providing an
10:47:18 excellent alternative to the traveling public and the
10:47:20 workers at the airport.
10:47:22 The change that took place, that our council member
10:47:26 Mulhern has spoken about, is that when high-speed rail
10:47:30 became a reality several months ago, obviously we had
10:47:36 the same issues, and we felt that the most important
10:47:39 thing for the airport is to ensure that we have
10:47:41 connectivity with the high-speed rail station.
10:47:43 We think that is essential.
10:47:46 As well as serving the community with a complete light
10:47:49 rail station or light rail service to be able to get to
10:47:53 and from the airport a.
10:47:54 So we initiated discussions with regards to Hart.
10:47:57 Those discussions led to the announcement that council
10:48:00 member Mulhern has discussed with regards to putting
10:48:04 the airport stop at a -- looking at it to analyze it
10:48:10 for the first leg, so that we can get back in as
10:48:12 quickly as we possibly can.
10:48:14 And that's the change.
10:48:15 The change is really -- we have always been light rail
10:48:19 We always had the area associated with it.
10:48:21 We have always planned on a stop.
10:48:23 With high-speed rail coming, that changed the dynamics.
10:48:26 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you.
10:48:31 Mr. Turanchik, whoever, do you want to speak limited to
10:48:38 high speed going to the airport.
10:48:39 >> With me is the director of intermodal studies, and
10:48:44 efforts for district 7.
10:48:46 And Mr. Thibault is Executive Director of the Florida
10:48:49 rail enterprise fund in Tallahassee.
10:48:54 Business prevented him from being here today.
10:48:56 He did send a letter.
10:48:58 I am the director of strategy and communications for
10:49:01 Wilbur Smith, which is part of the project team that
10:49:04 supports the Florida Department of Transportation,
10:49:09 Florida rail administration and Florida rail enter
10:49:12 praise in developing the high-speed rail project
10:49:16 between Tampa and Orlando.
10:49:19 I want to address councilman's Mulhern's questions
10:49:22 about the 26 years, if I can.
10:49:24 First of all, thank you for the support for the
10:49:28 department's application for approximately a billion
10:49:30 dollars of additional funds that are currently
10:49:34 available under the passenger rail investment
10:49:37 improvement act of 2008.
10:49:42 The federal rail administration announced the
10:49:44 competition for about $2.3 billion of funds.
10:49:48 It is for construction purposes.
10:49:49 The competition for that will be as equally as intense
10:49:53 of the initial $8 billion of funds from the American
10:49:58 recovery and reinvestment act.
10:50:00 Some people know that as the stimulus act.
10:50:03 We received 1.25 billion, as Mr. Wheat and councilman
10:50:11 Mulhern indicated that has brought high speed closer to
10:50:14 reality a, but 1.25 is not 1.26 billion, so we are now
10:50:20 going after those additional funds.
10:50:23 Just six months ago the president of the United States
10:50:25 was here and made this project, put it on the front
10:50:29 burner, if you will, and we have done a huge amount of
10:50:33 work in that very short period of time.
10:50:36 The department is working very closely with the federal
10:50:40 rail administration to move the project forward.
10:50:42 The first amount of money awarded under the stimulus
10:50:45 funds by the secretary of transportation of the United
10:50:47 States was $80 million.
10:50:50 Florida got 67.
10:50:52 So we are out in front, further ahead, further along,
10:50:57 than anyplace in the United States of America.
10:51:00 I want for people to understand the difference between
10:51:02 high-speed rail and light rail.
10:51:04 High-speed rail is designed to go 225 miles per hour.
10:51:09 In this corridor between Tampa and Orlando, we are
10:51:12 looking to achieve speeds of at least 168 miles per
10:51:19 The initial estimated travel times between downtown
10:51:21 Tampa and Orlando international airport would be under
10:51:25 60 minutes with stops faster at express stops and maybe
10:51:28 even faster if we can get higher design speeds.
10:51:31 And that's one of the exercises that we are engaged in.
10:51:36 This whole high-speed rail effort, though, started in
10:51:38 1984 by governor Bob Graham when he went to Japan and
10:51:42 saw this concept and came back to Florida and said, we
10:51:47 need that here.
10:51:49 26 years later, here is where we are.
10:51:52 I happen to have personal involvement in the process in
10:51:55 the 90s, and more recently.
10:52:01 In that entire time, the primary focus has been going
10:52:04 from downtown Tampa to someplace in Miami.
10:52:10 The Miami end of the corridor has been anchored by the
10:52:12 Miami intermodal center with Mr. Galton can talk about
10:52:18 if you wish.
10:52:19 During that time frame, there has not been any studies
10:52:24 or efforts to take high-speed rail into Tampa
10:52:27 International Airport.
10:52:30 I can't attest to all the reasons why, but for most of
10:52:34 the time, the different proposals that have been bid
10:52:37 have gone from downtown Tampa to Orlando international
10:52:41 airport to Miami, more recently to the Miami intermodal
10:52:47 The department has had two separate procurements for
10:52:49 high-speed rail.
10:52:52 Both ended in non-action because of political and other
10:52:57 issues at the state level.
10:53:00 On the verge of pulling the trigger twice.
10:53:02 But as a consequence, the Tampa-to-Orlando corridor has
10:53:06 been heavily, heavily studied.
10:53:08 We received a final environmental impact statement in
10:53:13 Through the leadership of multiple governors, I-275-4
10:53:18 has been widened and has a corridor 40-foot wide in
10:53:21 which to accommodate high-speed rail.
10:53:24 In the late 90s, the first suggestion to take
10:53:29 high-speed rail further than downtown Tampa really came
10:53:33 through the leadership of state senator Jim Sebesta who
10:53:37 urged the high-speed rail alignment continue through
10:53:40 downtown in the 275 corridor, to gateway and to
10:53:46 downtown St. Petersburg.
10:53:50 The Tampa-Orlando section has always been considered
10:53:53 phase one for 26 years, always considered the first to
10:53:57 be built.
10:53:59 Because of the tourism, and because of the short
10:54:00 distance and the financial feasibility.
10:54:03 Orlando to Miami was always phase two.
10:54:07 And Senator Sebesta came on board, it designated Tampa
10:54:11 1-A, Tampa-Orlando 1-A and Tampa to St. Petersburg 1-B.
10:54:18 (Bell sounds)
10:54:20 May I proceed?
10:54:21 In those efforts, it was only a concept plan.
10:54:26 But in those efforts, no thought or consideration was
10:54:29 given to create an alignment to the airport, because
10:54:32 phase 1-B was to go to St. Petersburg.
10:54:36 And Mr. Chiaramonte is here.
10:54:38 He can attest to that from an MPO perspective, our MPO
10:54:43 in Pinellas County, considered that possibility.
10:54:48 But when Senator Sebesta said let's take to the
10:54:51 St. Petersburg, the high-speed rail station in downtown
10:54:53 Tampa shifted from Union Station to its current site
10:54:57 next to I-275 and I-4.
10:55:02 To facilitate the potential movement to St. Petersburg.
10:55:05 Now, remember the Constitutional amendment mandating
10:55:12 high-speed rail was repealed, and those efforts
10:55:19 So we were left as of 2004 a corridor and improved
10:55:26 environmental permit, but no funding.
10:55:28 What changed was the president's announcement of vision
10:55:31 for America and the availability of $8 billion.
10:55:34 So I hope that helps illuminate how we got here.
10:55:38 I said I wanted to distinguish between high-speed rail
10:55:41 and light rail.
10:55:42 High speed trains are 700 feet long.
10:55:45 They have very wide turning radius, very significant
10:55:50 grade requirements.
10:55:54 If you want to say from a boat perspective it's a
10:55:57 battleship whereas light rail is a runabout and they
10:56:01 have very different requirement.
10:56:04 He can talk to you at length about issues but
10:56:07 Councilwoman, I wanted to give you that perspective,
10:56:10 and the rest of the council and the citizens in
10:56:11 understanding why we are where we are and how we got
10:56:14 One last piece.
10:56:17 For 20 years in Orlando, there has been intense
10:56:21 interest and effort to connect Orlando international
10:56:24 airport to Walt Disney World by a variety of means, by
10:56:28 a variety of vendors, some of them totally independent
10:56:32 of any high-speed rail state process.
10:56:35 But the consequence of that, because that was in
10:56:38 everyone's mind in Orlando, and everyone understood
10:56:41 that high-speed rail would go to Miami, headed south
10:56:47 basically through the airport.
10:56:49 The international airport started a long time ago
10:56:51 building envelopes to accommodate not just one rail
10:56:55 alignment but two, four double tracks, for whatever
10:57:00 accommodation might come there and start to build
10:57:02 runways over those.
10:57:03 So today Orlando international airport actually has
10:57:06 been designed and has been built to accommodate these
10:57:10 rail envelopes.
10:57:11 And again, it because of accommodation of history and
10:57:18 At the same time high-speed rail does not go to
10:57:20 downtown Orlando, it does not go to downtown
10:57:24 Ft. Lauderdale or downtown West Palm Beach or downtown
10:57:27 And so over in central Florida, people are asking a
10:57:30 question, why doesn't high-speed rail go to downtown,
10:57:34 Orlando only go to the airport, kind of the reverse
10:57:37 situation there?
10:57:38 The secretary of transportation said high-speed rail
10:57:40 can't go everywhere, can't serve everyone, and needs
10:57:45 multiple connections to make it all work.
10:57:46 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Councilwoman Mulhern has a question.
10:57:49 >>MARY MULHERN: I want to ask you a couple of
10:57:51 questions since you are local and you know the history
10:57:53 of this.
10:57:58 Back when you started to promote our light rail, when
10:58:00 with you were on the county commission, people weren't
10:58:06 exactly supportive, were they?
10:58:09 Did you have FDOT and the Aviation Authority and the
10:58:11 mayor and your colleagues on county commission saying
10:58:16 it was a good idea?
10:58:17 >> Oh, boy, that's ancient history.
10:58:23 I think the MPO plan adopted a rail component in 1995
10:58:28 and 1996.
10:58:29 I think the Chairman Scott was thoroughly embroiled in
10:58:34 supporting those initiatives.
10:58:37 We did not have the type of broad-based public support
10:58:40 for rail transit in the 90s that we do now.
10:58:44 But there were rail alignment, light rail alignment in
10:58:50 the draft environmental impact statement that went out
10:58:53 to the airport area.
10:58:55 >>MARY MULHERN: Right.
10:58:57 But I just want to kind of point out that what we think
10:59:01 is a good idea to study a high-speed rail stop at the
10:59:10 airport has been met with institutional resistance,
10:59:13 kind of like, I think, similar to what you had.
10:59:16 So do you think it's a bad idea for us to have a study
10:59:20 for some time in the future?
10:59:22 I know, I think we all know, and councilman Scott was
10:59:27 very proactive about changing the original resolution
10:59:32 that I had proposed, because he realized it too late to
10:59:36 get current funding for construction, and we all
10:59:42 understand that.
10:59:42 But the idea that we should not have -- we shouldn't
10:59:48 study, it's not a good idea.
10:59:51 Do you agree with that?
10:59:53 To have a high-speed rail to -- to study a high-speed
10:59:56 rail stop at Tampa International Airport?
10:59:59 >>> I'm here in my capacity with Rober Smith from the
11:00:05 project team, and I think that Kevin Thibault outlined
11:00:10 appropriate and sensible positions in his letter.
11:00:13 >> And I'll ask questions because I don't think he
11:00:15 answered that question at all.
11:00:19 I think the fact that all he could tell us was that we
11:00:23 haven't studied it, and I think this is my real
11:00:25 A couple things you said.
11:00:30 We are told that it too late -- and we have accepted,
11:00:34 we can't ask for funding right now, current grants that
11:00:40 are due in a month or a week for an airport stop.
11:00:45 But we are also told that it's never going been
11:00:49 So Mr. Kevin Thibault and Mr. Wheat made these claims
11:00:57 that it's never feasible but if we never studied that
11:01:00 from downtown to the airport, how do we know it's not
11:01:03 >> Councilwoman Mulhern, I will say from 23 years of
11:01:08 experience now, it technically doesn't lend itself for
11:01:14 high-speed rail, only because of the nature of the
11:01:18 technologies, the curvatures, the operating speed.
11:01:23 >>MARY MULHERN: Okay, but have there been technical
11:01:28 Okay, thanks.
11:01:29 So this is the only on the question I have.
11:01:34 The big argument you have is the speed, the curves and
11:01:41 the speed, right?
11:01:42 The speed.
11:01:43 What is the speed going to be between the Orlando,
11:01:48 three stops in Orlando including their airport, what
11:01:50 will the speed be for high-speed rail there?
11:01:53 >>> Good morning.
11:01:56 The speed will be -- as far as the speed between the
11:02:03 airport and the two other Orlando stops, it will be
11:02:06 relatively slow compared to the full high speed.
11:02:10 Having 68 miles per hour that we are looking at.
11:02:13 However, we are looking at not only speed but also the
11:02:16 curvature required for rail to make the turn into the
11:02:21 And as well as the site of the station.
11:02:26 >>MARY MULHERN: Right.
11:02:27 Doesn't the speed, really, the speed and the curvature
11:02:30 are related, aren't they?
11:02:33 >>> Somewhat.
11:02:34 However, because of length of high-speed rail train,
11:02:36 because ware looking at minimal 200 meters, you are
11:02:40 talking about 700 feet.
11:02:42 >>MARY MULHERN: Okay, is that the size of the trains
11:02:44 that are going to run?
11:02:45 I know they are going to be different trains that run
11:02:48 between the high-speed rail stops in Orlando than the
11:02:52 ones that run, you know -- are they going to have all
11:02:55 those cars, 700 feet of cars?
11:02:58 >> At the beginning we may be running half train, but
11:03:01 ultimately when connection is made to Miami, we may
11:03:03 have to run full trains.
11:03:06 We talk about eight cars linking together.
11:03:08 >> Right.
11:03:09 That's something that changes at station, right?
11:03:12 >> Well, when you design a construction, then you want
11:03:15 to build for the ultimate condition.
11:03:17 You don't want to build something that's halfway, then
11:03:21 you come in and build something later.
11:03:22 >> Right.
11:03:23 But the ultimate conditions between those short stops
11:03:29 in Orlando will never be -- it doesn't have to be built
11:03:33 for that.
11:03:33 Is that correct?
11:03:34 >> It will be built to the ultimate.
11:03:36 Everything will be built to the ultimate.
11:03:37 >> Even on the short distances between --
11:03:41 >> That's correct.
11:03:42 Because we have to count for the entire length.
11:03:48 >>MARY MULHERN: Now back to the study thing.
11:03:49 If we haven't done the study, how do we know this?
11:03:54 >> You are correct, we have not done any feasibility or
11:03:59 environmental technical study on that.
11:04:02 As I point out, technically it does not lend itself.
11:04:06 On top of that, I want to point out currently, there
11:04:09 are no federal funds available for doing a planning
11:04:12 There were $50 million made available for planning
11:04:17 activity for high-speed rail, but that has passed.
11:04:22 The D.O.T. must submit the application to study Orlando
11:04:26 to Miami for $8 million, but that was back in May.
11:04:29 Currently, there are no longer any planning funds
11:04:34 available for a feasibility study.
11:04:37 Everything is available for implementation only.
11:04:39 >>MARY MULHERN: Okay.
11:04:40 I'm sorry we didn't apply for that in May.
11:04:42 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Councilman Miranda, and Councilwoman
11:04:48 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: If I got your figure correct, 700
11:04:51 That would be about two and a third football fields
11:04:56 I just want to put it to perspective.
11:04:58 >> It's very long.
11:05:03 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: That's about right.
11:05:04 Two and a third?
11:05:06 >>> This is in the turning radius of a high-speed rail
11:05:09 train going 55 miles an hour is about 2,000 feet.
11:05:15 In other words, to go from here to make a 90-degree
11:05:19 turn, it takes 2,000 feet, which is close to a half
11:05:23 So to maintain speeds, you need gradual turns and
11:05:29 gradual gradients.
11:05:33 Councilwoman Mulhern is absolutely correct.
11:05:35 No one has particularly looked closely at all those
11:05:38 details, but I think Mr. Thibault, chief of engineer,
11:05:50 has opined in his letter that the it more appropriate
11:05:53 technology, most appropriate way of approaching that,
11:05:55 is through either light rail or bus rapid transit.
11:06:01 I also want to emphasize the source of planning is the
11:06:04 same -- passenger rail passenger improvement act, and
11:06:08 that the grant application that funded Tampa-Orlando is
11:06:13 for a system that the specific approval is for Tampa,
11:06:17 Orlando, Miami.
11:06:19 So the federal government and the State of Florida have
11:06:24 become in some respects financial partners in building
11:06:27 a system that goes from Tampa, Orlando, Miami, and the
11:06:32 next segment that the department will pursue would be
11:06:35 Orlando to Miami.
11:06:39 Not only as a commitment to the federal government but
11:06:41 to also all the communities in that corridor as well.
11:06:46 So policy and operator can always change.
11:06:52 But as it stands right now, the operator of the Florida
11:06:54 Department of Transportation is once you get
11:06:56 Tampa-Orlando done, to get Orlando to Miami designed,
11:07:02 approved and built.
11:07:04 Is that correct?
11:07:12 >> That's correct.
11:07:14 >>YVONNE CAPIN: First of all I am new to the council
11:07:16 but not new to the high-speed rail.
11:07:19 I had a letter to the "The Tampa Tribune" dated Sunday,
11:07:23 January 15, 2009, in reference to high-speed rail.
11:07:29 That was a couple of month before President Obama's
11:07:32 wonderful vision for America which made me ecstatic.
11:07:37 And about eight month before the September it 9 City
11:07:39 Council high-speed rail resolution or support.
11:07:47 I also want to -- and a on this memorandum that was
11:07:52 sent to all of us as council members, on high-speed
11:07:55 rail, I also was taken aback by the 26 years where
11:08:04 there was no study when in fact the Florida voters
11:08:07 passed a high-speed rail amendment, and it was on for
11:08:11 two years.
11:08:12 So in those two years, we didn't do anything either
11:08:16 about high-speed rail to the airport.
11:08:22 On here, it says, challenges of structure from TIA to
11:08:28 The risk exists that the addition could throw the
11:08:33 entire Tampa-Orlando project into subsidized
11:08:36 Is this correct?
11:08:38 And how is it correct?
11:08:41 >>> I can address that.
11:08:43 Obviously Kevin will have more information but I can
11:08:44 address it.
11:08:47 When you extend a line from downtown to TIA, obviously
11:08:52 you are going to increase capital costs as far as
11:08:55 building of lines, as well as operating, which is
11:08:58 something we would like to partner with private
11:09:00 investment companies to operate.
11:09:05 Now, looking at the operation aspect of it.
11:09:08 When you stop in downtown Tampa, obviously if you don't
11:09:12 go any further, your train can turn a -- can't turn
11:09:17 around and go back to Orlando.
11:09:18 When you expand the lines to TIA you are probably going
11:09:21 to add another 25, 30 minutes to your running times.
11:09:24 In order to maintain that hourly frequency, you either
11:09:27 have to get additional trains to do that, or you expand
11:09:32 your frequency instead of hourly service you do hour
11:09:36 and a half service.
11:09:39 It would increase the operating costs to the line.
11:09:44 And we. Gone into the ridership aspect of it.
11:09:52 How much rider are you going to capture for downtown
11:09:57 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Thank you.
11:09:58 The on the part was minimal curves, high-speed, and
11:10:04 this referred to an urban environment.
11:10:06 And more urban than Shanghai is hard to find.
11:10:11 Miami urban and high-speed is there to their airport
11:10:17 The other thing, options have even more flexibility
11:10:23 than light rail.
11:10:25 Bus, rapid transit, options have more flexibility than
11:10:28 light rail.
11:10:29 So they are proposing buses to light rail.
11:10:37 That's even better than light rail.
11:10:39 That's what stated in the memo.
11:10:41 To my understanding.
11:10:42 >> I can clarify that.
11:10:45 I think at this point, Hart has not concluded its
11:10:48 alternative analysis, as far as what technology to use,
11:10:52 to connect downtown Tampa to the airport, because when
11:10:56 with you start alternative analysis, you have to be
11:11:00 mode neutral, they call it.
11:11:01 That's a requirement from federal transit
11:11:04 You cannot come and identify that's going to be late
11:11:08 rail, that's going to be BRT, an express bus.
11:11:10 You have to look at all aspects of the project, as far
11:11:13 as ridership, costs, everything.
11:11:16 So at this point, I think secretary Thibault is trying
11:11:25 to address the issue, we don't know exactly what mode
11:11:29 it's going to be but there are options.
11:11:33 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Okay, I understand this, mode neutral.
11:11:38 One more thing.
11:11:39 A alignment will cause significant delays and impact
11:11:44 the goal.
11:11:44 At this point, no one is expressing to modify what we
11:11:49 have so far from Tampa to Orlando.
11:11:54 I want to just finish up with this, that I have lived
11:12:00 in Tampa for 59 years, and back in the '40s I hear
11:12:06 that some of the old-timers, when Curtis Hixon was
11:12:09 mayor, our airport was not an airport, it was an air
11:12:14 field, and he was the first to put in an airport, and
11:12:20 did he not do it.
11:12:21 The village of Miami did.
11:12:24 We know what happened.
11:12:25 They are the gateway to all of Latin America.
11:12:35 I really don't want us to pause.
11:12:39 I just want to say that during my tenure here at City
11:12:42 Council, my priority is economic development, and I
11:12:46 feel that's a three legged stool with the University of
11:12:48 South Florida, the port and the airport.
11:12:54 I will hold this chair for the next nine months and I
11:12:56 will leave a clear road map for my replacement.
11:13:00 The airport has been Tampa's stepchild for too the
11:13:04 The terminal was inaugurated 20 years late.
11:13:09 Let not repeat this mistake.
11:13:11 It was in the '70s.
11:13:13 This is in the 40s.
11:13:17 We did not see the airports until the 70s, or the
11:13:20 international airport.
11:13:22 That's my feeling on this issue.
11:13:26 Thank you.
11:13:26 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you.
11:13:29 I think we need to hear from John wheat about the
11:13:34 airport and the high speed.
11:13:36 John and I had conversation.
11:13:38 We talked about there only be one line, I guess, into
11:13:42 the airport versus trying to have high speed and light
11:13:46 Do you want to speak to that?
11:13:47 >> I surely will, council member.
11:13:49 What we studied in 2005, and in detail, and the study
11:13:53 was produced in 2007, was really looking at getting the
11:13:59 transportation mode to come to the airport.
11:14:00 What we studied, what was looked at was bus rapid
11:14:05 transit and light rail.
11:14:07 And as we looked at that, and we looked at that
11:14:10 corridor, it became extremely difficult for us to even
11:14:13 accommodate light rail system going into the airport.
11:14:17 Because what we have to do when we come into that on
11:14:20 that corridor is we have high grades at certain points,
11:14:23 up to 6 or 7%, we have to get under a taxiway, and the
11:14:30 high-speed rail system we had to get under three
11:14:33 taxiways if it were continued to the north terminal
11:14:37 And so then we also had the requirement of our roadway
11:14:41 So when you look at how we are set up, it a very
11:14:44 confined area that we have at Tampa international.
11:14:48 We have our two parallel runways.
11:14:50 We have the roadway system that's in between it.
11:14:53 And then we have our terminal systems.
11:14:55 And all of the air field requirements are controlled by
11:15:00 height, number one.
11:15:01 But the big issue we have in looking at that is we were
11:15:05 able to squeeze it in.
11:15:06 But we were able to squeeze it in because we had very
11:15:08 small turning radiuses.
11:15:11 We had a 6% grade that we could go up and down.
11:15:15 And as we analyze that, both the D.O.T. as well as the
11:15:19 light -- BOT and light rail could be fit in.
11:15:24 That's what we evaluated.
11:15:26 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Councilwoman Mulhern.
11:15:27 >>MARY MULHERN: Well, when you evaluated that, where
11:15:31 are those studies?
11:15:32 Was that an alternative analysis did you?
11:15:34 What was it?
11:15:35 >> It was analysis that we did to see if we could
11:15:38 bring -- if we could establish a light rail corridor
11:15:42 through the airport so that we could have stations come
11:15:44 and connect at the airport.
11:15:46 >> Did you study putting that high speed station?
11:15:50 >> No, did we not.
11:15:51 >> So you haven't studied it.
11:15:53 >> No, we did not study bringing a high-speed rail
11:15:55 station in.
11:15:56 What we did study was bringing the light rail and the
11:15:59 BRT and the results of that are that we have a very
11:16:02 limited corridor, that that can be accommodated by.
11:16:05 When we look at -- we have not studied, we could add
11:16:10 another one with, but I can tell you that with regards
11:16:12 to the taxiway issues that we have, it becomes -- the
11:16:17 impacts that you start placing on the airport of
11:16:19 relocating or moving, not necessarily -- I don't want
11:16:22 to make it sound huge, but it's an issue that you might
11:16:25 have to cut off an end of one runway, move it to
11:16:28 another runway.
11:16:29 Start looking at those kind --
11:16:31 >> So you might have to make some changes, it sounds
11:16:33 But --
11:16:34 >> Whether we have to make changes or whether it's
11:16:36 feasible, all I'm saying and all I have ever said is
11:16:40 that the corridor that we have established for our
11:16:42 existing system today can be accommodated by light rail
11:16:47 and bus, and rapid --
11:16:50 >> Are you saying it can't be accommodated?
11:16:56 >> I'm sure anything is possible, I suppose in today's
11:16:59 environment, if you throw enough money at it.
11:17:02 But what we have looked at and what we have available
11:17:04 and what we have planned, it is a limited corridor that
11:17:07 will accommodate one line of rail transportation.
11:17:10 >>MARY MULHERN: Okay, so the corridor plan that you
11:17:16 looked at didn't consider high-speed rail.
11:17:22 Did that include all of the plans for expansion?
11:17:26 I mean, I know the airport -- the Aviation Authority
11:17:29 owns so much land out there, and I know -- I have seen
11:17:33 the plans that you are going to double the airport,
11:17:36 north of the airport.
11:17:37 >> That's correct.
11:17:38 And that plan did incorporate both the north terminal
11:17:42 complex and the south terminal complex.
11:17:44 When you say we have a lot of land, we only have 3300
11:17:47 acres that the airport compared to, first, Orlando has
11:17:50 15,000 acres.
11:17:51 >>MARY MULHERN: I guess what I'm getting at is when
11:17:58 you talk about what can be accommodated as far as those
11:18:02 two modes of light rail or bus rapid transit, would was
11:18:07 that studied in the context of your long-term expansion
11:18:10 of the airport?
11:18:11 >> Absolutely, yes.
11:18:12 >> Master plan.
11:18:15 >> And that was supposed to meet our long-term
11:18:18 development at the airport.
11:18:20 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Right.
11:18:20 >>MARY MULHERN: Things have changed a lot.
11:18:22 And as Councilwoman Capin said, lots of airports around
11:18:29 the world and the country, as they plan for -- states
11:18:34 and countries plan for high-speed rail, isn't it true
11:18:37 that airports are more and more considering and putting
11:18:40 into planning stops at their airports?
11:18:43 >> The only one that I am aware of, obviously, is
11:18:46 I know in Miami, the plan there doesn't have a direct
11:18:50 stop at the airport, where it goes to is the Miami
11:18:53 intermodal center, and then the airport is connecting
11:18:56 to that Miami international, or Miami intermodal
11:19:01 center, and their approach, because of how they are
11:19:04 landlocked, they are moving all of their car rentals,
11:19:07 their parking and everything else, that's been there
11:19:10 plan for quite some time at that intermodal center.
11:19:12 >> And going to change that with their new high-speed
11:19:17 rail line, because they are not going to connect to the
11:19:21 >> The high-speed rail train does not stop at the
11:19:24 It stops at the intermodal center and then automated
11:19:27 people mover system.
11:19:29 >> So how close to the airport is it?
11:19:31 >> I think it's a mile, mile and a half, is two miles,
11:19:34 somewhere in there.
11:19:35 And I didn't measure.
11:19:38 When this issue came up, I just got additional
11:19:41 information with regards to the intermodal system.
11:19:43 >> Well, I do know that all of California, they are the
11:19:46 other biggest recipient of the stimulus dollars for
11:19:49 high-speed rail.
11:19:50 And their airports Burbank and smaller airports, are
11:19:54 all requesting that they build their high-speed rail
11:19:59 station at their airport.
11:20:01 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Just a question in my mind, and again
11:20:05 I want to thank you all for coming today to address the
11:20:09 council's concerns.
11:20:10 It's very important to have this public debate and
11:20:12 public discussion about high-speed rail going to the
11:20:16 I guess the question remains is, one, Mr. Turanchik
11:20:20 raised earlier, what happens to Jim Sebesta's model in
11:20:25 terms of going from downtown Tampa to St. Pete?
11:20:29 Right now, I guess -- is that still on hold?
11:20:34 There's no money for it from what I'm hearing.
11:20:37 And secondly, if there were what seems like there's in
11:20:41 a dollars available planning, what I'm hearing.
11:20:43 There's in a dollars available for planning.
11:20:46 At it this particular point.
11:20:46 >>> That's correct.
11:20:51 Ray Chiaramonte, Executive Director, Hillsborough MPO.
11:20:54 I also want to hand out something to council that I
11:20:56 have been working on for a while, compiling a lot of
11:20:59 information, just to think about, now, if you are
11:21:02 thinking about going in a certain direction.
11:21:04 Just kind of what we know so far about this issue,
11:21:06 and -- the first thing I want to say is I completely
11:21:18 understand why people think this is a good idea,
11:21:21 because I am constantly having to explain to the my own
11:21:23 family, you know, kind whereof we are now.
11:21:26 And some of the clarification I want to get.
11:21:29 One of the reasons probably high-speed rail wasn't
11:21:32 studied is because early on in the airport commuter
11:21:35 rail was looked at, that is smaller than high-speed
11:21:39 There's been data in there about height of different
11:21:41 technologies and things like that, rile kind of getting
11:21:45 into the -- but high-speed rail and commuter rail are
11:21:49 both taller and does cause runway issues, as Mr. Wheat
11:21:54 mentioned and also the grade problems which I think is
11:21:56 really a significant thing to overcome. Commuter rail
11:21:58 and high-speed rail can only go on a percent and a half
11:22:00 grade and light rail can go on a 7% grade. So those
11:22:06 are probably some of the reasons they were never
11:22:07 But I do think there's other issues.
11:22:08 I know we compare ourselves to other cities.
11:22:11 But as a city planner for over 30 years I can tell you
11:22:14 Miami, Orlando, and Tampa are three totally different
11:22:18 I lived four years in the Orlando area, and that's when
11:22:21 I realized that Orlando and Tampa are world apart.
11:22:24 I think they complement each other but they are not the
11:22:26 same, and necessarily doing the same things which don't
11:22:30 make sense.
11:22:31 We have to face the fact that while Disney World, the
11:22:34 world's largest tourist attraction is closer to Orlando
11:22:36 than it is to us.
11:22:38 Now, the question is, do we want people to fly into
11:22:40 Tampa Airport and be automobile to get there?
11:22:42 Yes, absolutely.
11:22:43 But I think to get light rail really is the preferred
11:22:48 alternative, from everything that I have discovered, it
11:22:50 appears -- you know, maybe we should do a study saying
11:22:53 what would actually be faster, to get from Tampa
11:22:56 international to the high-speed rail location downtown.
11:22:59 My gut feeling is light rail would be knowing the huge
11:23:02 curve, the acceleration times, the breaking times for
11:23:05 high speed much greater like the difference between
11:23:09 driving a Ford Explorer and a Corvette, now.
11:23:12 My instinct is for short distance the Corvette is going
11:23:15 to go faster.
11:23:17 So those are some of the issues, but there's some
11:23:20 significant technical reasons why I think that that
11:23:23 wasn't studied.
11:23:24 The on the reason is what percent of people coming into
11:23:27 Tampa Airport going east, a very small percent, about
11:23:30 33rd% of our passengers go to Polk, one percent to
11:23:35 the Orlando area.
11:23:36 It very small.
11:23:37 We are a destination airport.
11:23:39 Most of the destination is Hillsborough and Pinellas
11:23:41 County, with Pasco and Sarasota following in numbers.
11:23:43 That's where people are going when they come here.
11:23:46 But, again, we can accommodate those people through bus
11:23:49 rapid transit or light rail.
11:23:50 You ask about Pinellas County and high-speed rail.
11:23:53 Early on that was thought to be a good idea, but the
11:23:56 same concerns come in when you look at the technology
11:23:59 of going down the interstate and some of the curve as
11:24:01 around Westshore, going across the bridge, with the
11:24:05 technology that's likely only once an hour, once every
11:24:08 two hours, you ask yourself, what is going to serve
11:24:11 Pinellas County better? Light rail that would run 15
11:24:15 minutes all day long or something that's only going to
11:24:17 run once an hour, once every two hours to connect them
11:24:20 to Hillsborough County?
11:24:21 And the reality is I think most of the officials now in
11:24:23 Pinellas County realize that the light rail is really
11:24:26 the preferred technology.
11:24:28 Actually, they had a committee which Councilwoman
11:24:32 Mulhern is going to be on studying that alternative
11:24:35 analysis to connect downtown Clearwater, St. Pete to
11:24:38 gateway with and across the Howard Frankland bridge and
11:24:40 connecting into Hillsborough County.
11:24:43 So they are going to be talking about that kind of
11:24:47 high-speed rail going to Pinellas County is a little
11:24:49 bit, now.
11:24:51 >>THOMAS SCOTT: I just wanted to you address that
11:24:52 because I didn't want to leave it out there after Mr.
11:24:55 Turanchik raised it and kind of left us hanging out
11:24:58 I wanted to make sure that we kind of understand what's
11:25:00 going on with that.
11:25:05 Council, just a few more questions then we need to wrap
11:25:07 this up because I do want to finish the morning agenda.
11:25:11 >>CURTIS STOKES: A general statement.
11:25:12 As a community we have two very important issues.
11:25:15 And getting these two very important issues makes mixed
11:25:20 The one penny sales tax should be forefront in our mind
11:25:25 right now as we go forward to the November election.
11:25:27 So although I am for healthy debate on this issue, I
11:25:31 just hope we can table this issue until next year and
11:25:34 bring this issue up next year after we get the one cent
11:25:37 sales tax packed in November.
11:25:38 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Any other questions, council?
11:25:45 Councilwoman Capin and Councilwoman Mulhern.
11:25:48 Then we need to wrap it up.
11:25:50 >>YVONNE CAPIN: You bring up, councilman Stokes, a good
11:25:58 point on the one cent sales tax for light rail.
11:26:08 Yes, when it passes, hopefully that will be happening.
11:26:15 I want to clarify something.
11:26:16 When I talked about the airport.
11:26:21 The thing about the airport -- and in 1971, I flew out
11:26:27 on my honeymoon from the old Tampa Airport, returned to
11:26:30 the New Tampa airport, and it was there.
11:26:35 Orlando copied our airport.
11:26:40 And now where is Orlando as far as international
11:26:43 flights and the rest of it?
11:26:45 Granted they have Disney.
11:26:46 But we had it first.
11:26:49 So, again, I'm sorry that we did not apply for the
11:26:55 study money that is no longer available.
11:26:59 I would like to hopefully something new will come that
11:27:03 we can again apply for study money for the high-speed
11:27:07 rail to the airport a.
11:27:10 Also, the station downtown where people will have to
11:27:14 get off, get on to light rail, or bus, with whatever
11:27:20 they are carrying with them, and wait for that bus or
11:27:24 that light rail to our airport.
11:27:29 That is an issue.
11:27:31 But, as a matter of fact, I spoke to our federal
11:27:36 Congress people just on Monday about this, and about
11:27:40 how seamless this station is going to be.
11:27:48 I hope that that is very forefront in everyone's mind.
11:27:54 Thank you.
11:27:54 >> I totally agree with you, and we are trying to make
11:27:58 at very seamless connection in all our planning
11:28:02 At some point, at the airport, you do have to change
11:28:05 modes with your luggage, you know, at some point.
11:28:09 So we have to think about that, and how we might do
11:28:12 that and accommodate that.
11:28:14 I just want to say, I find it interesting what you
11:28:17 I was actually at the dedication in 1971 at Tampa's
11:28:21 airport and spent my honeymoon at the airport at the
11:28:25 [ Laughter ]
11:28:26 So I relate.
11:28:33 >>YVONNE CAPIN: That's interesting.
11:28:33 I was returning from my honeymoon.
11:28:37 >>THOMAS SCOTT: All right.
11:28:37 >>MARY MULHERN: I just want to thank you for the
11:28:43 incredible job you are doing on moving multimodal
11:28:48 transportation forward on the MPO.
11:28:50 You are just doing a fantastic job.
11:28:52 And I support all of your efforts there.
11:28:57 And I support the efforts for this high-speed rail
11:29:05 But I just want to be careful, because, Ray, we're
11:29:09 talking about how studying -- when Chairman Scott asked
11:29:12 about Pinellas, about studying, which would be better?
11:29:17 And we are talking about two different kinds of
11:29:20 transportation, right?
11:29:21 Not just in the technology, but in the -- what they are
11:29:29 trying to accomplish, right?
11:29:31 High-speed rail is an intracity thing, right?
11:29:37 >>> You mean light rail.
11:29:38 >>MARY MULHERN: Okay, high speed -- light rail is to
11:29:51 get people around.
11:29:52 >> Well, right.
11:29:53 >> Isn't it?
11:29:54 It's to get people around.
11:29:56 But --
11:29:56 >> Within a city.
11:29:57 >> You have to look at it this as a seven or eight-mile
11:30:00 trip maximum from downtown Tampa to -- so the question
11:30:03 is, what is the best technology?
11:30:06 >>MARY MULHERN: Right.
11:30:07 I think that's where you are making a mistake.
11:30:10 And when the mayor said that it would be a bad idea, or
11:30:13 mistake or whatever, to have the high-speed rail
11:30:16 station at the airport, I think you are making this
11:30:20 assumption that we can either have high-speed rail, or
11:30:23 we can have light rail at our airport.
11:30:26 And that is not actually true.
11:30:30 And all these arguments about how we shouldn't even ask
11:30:34 the question, none of them address that.
11:30:40 Multi, the multimodal station that Miami has near their
11:30:44 airport and the multimodal station that Orlando is
11:30:46 going to have at their airport, those will have both,
11:30:49 High speed and light rail.
11:30:51 >> Well, Miami doesn't have light rail.
11:30:54 Miami has a heavy rail system, metro rail.
11:30:57 >> So high speed and commuter --
11:30:59 >> Some type of commuter rail.
11:31:00 But the first high-speed rail is probably going to be
11:31:04 30 miles away.
11:31:05 I mean, the high-speed rail isn't going to have any
11:31:08 other stops anywhere near.
11:31:10 >> I thought you just said it was going to be a mile.
11:31:12 >> No, the next stop north is going to be 30 or 65
11:31:17 >> Right.
11:31:17 >> So it will be like seven miles, I guess.
11:31:24 >>MARY MULHERN: But they are getting a stop at their
11:31:26 >> I think it a legitimate question to ask what is the
11:31:30 best technology to make this seven mile trip, and
11:31:32 that's really the question.
11:31:33 Who can you move faster?
11:31:37 I know you are not saying it's an either-or.
11:31:40 >>MARY MULHERN: That's what I'm saying.
11:31:42 You can say what the best technology for one thing
11:31:44 S.but the best technology for high-speed, now --
11:31:51 >> Right.
11:31:53 Can light rail technology do exactly what the high
11:31:56 speed does without spending the extra money?
11:31:57 Let's face it, we are talking about something that's
11:31:59 going to cost hundreds of millions of dollars.
11:32:01 >> Right.
11:32:03 That we didn't ask for any for the airport.
11:32:06 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Okay.
11:32:06 Okay, council.
11:32:07 >> They are legitimate questions.
11:32:09 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Well, thank you, Mr. Turanchik.
11:32:15 One final word you want to mention?
11:32:17 >> Ed Turanchik: Councilman raises a legitimate
11:32:24 question about activity.
11:32:25 The world's most popular tourist destination even with
11:32:29 high-speed rail going between Tampa and Orlando has so
11:32:31 far said they are going to continue to run the Disney
11:32:35 express from Orlando international airport to their
11:32:39 resorts, for the simple reason that a person coming in
11:32:43 with baggage it's a tough thing to do mode switches.
11:32:48 And in Orlando international airport the high-speed
11:32:51 rail station is not in Orlando international airport.
11:32:55 It's in their southern terminal, about a mile south of
11:32:57 the airport.
11:32:58 So someone with bags would have to go take the internal
11:33:03 people mover, go to the high-speed rail station, to get
11:33:06 on the train, to go to Walt Disney World.
11:33:09 In Miami the same thing is true.
11:33:11 It's not seamless.
11:33:12 What Disney does is a baggage seamless system.
11:33:16 You check into the airport.
11:33:18 Your bags show up at your destination.
11:33:21 You don't have to touch anything in between.
11:33:24 I will close with these two observations.
11:33:26 Number one, the glass is 7/8ths full for us.
11:33:31 We have the unique position of being the only city in
11:33:33 Florida that will have a high-speed rail stop in its
11:33:38 High-speed rail stops at airports are fundamentally
11:33:42 curtailed and limited in what you can develop for all
11:33:45 the reasons as council knows.
11:33:48 Security restrictions, all of it.
11:33:50 We have this great opportunity to have this new ground
11:33:53 transportation airport in the heart of our city on an
11:33:58 express run maybe 38 minutes from Walt Disney World.
11:34:02 This is the real picture that I think we should
11:34:05 understand and be saying, how do we connect to it?
11:34:08 Great questions.
11:34:10 And we are going to follow up on this point.
11:34:12 In 2015, as all things go well for us, high-speed rail
11:34:15 trains are coming here, and no matter what happens with
11:34:18 the referendum, Aye or Nay, we should be focused on
11:34:22 thinking about how to provide a great connection from
11:34:29 probably the best airport in a design perspective in
11:34:31 Florida to the high-speed rail station.
11:34:33 That's really important about how to do that, and do it
11:34:37 well, so it's seamless.
11:34:40 And then Mr. Wheat is working on it.
11:34:45 I know the mayor and others are working on it.
11:34:47 I think from the standpoint of focusing our efforts and
11:34:49 priorities as a community, making sure that works well
11:34:52 is something we need to start today.
11:34:56 Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
11:34:57 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you.
11:34:58 And let me just thank all of you again for coming today
11:35:00 to help clarify some issues and concerns, and to have
11:35:06 this healthy debate and discussion.
11:35:08 Thank you very much.
11:35:08 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Just a reminder there is a resolution
11:35:16 attached to this item number 63.
11:35:18 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Well, the only concern I have at this
11:35:19 point, in a planning dollars are going to be available.
11:35:22 I don't know what good it's going to do at this point.
11:35:25 It's up to council.
11:35:26 >>MARY MULHERN: 26 years later, I think that we have
11:35:31 to start to study this.
11:35:34 I mean, we have heard all these arguments about why
11:35:38 it's not going to work.
11:35:39 But we don't have any actual study to back up what they
11:35:45 are saying.
11:35:45 So I think -- I think your resolution, what it does is
11:35:50 it tells the MPO, it tells the mayor, and it tells the
11:35:55 Department of Transportation, and it tells the U.S.
11:36:01 secretary of transportation, who told me a few months
11:36:04 ago, when I asked him in a room, all these people were
11:36:09 there, I said, why does Orlando get three stops of
11:36:13 high-speed rail and Tampa only gets one?
11:36:15 And he said, this is just the beginning.
11:36:20 If your local leadership would like that, then you need
11:36:25 to plan for it.
11:36:26 So I was in the policy committee meeting of the MPO
11:36:29 yesterday where Mr. Chiaramonte was identifying grants
11:36:33 that were going to be applying for next year for
11:36:37 studies for different kinds of transportation.
11:36:40 We may not have access to grants that have already been
11:36:43 applied for for studying this, but we have to at least
11:36:50 study how we can apply for some money to do the study.
11:36:53 So I think your resolution is a way for this council to
11:37:00 express that we want to study whether this is the best
11:37:05 economic development, transit plan.
11:37:11 Whether we can make it a better plan, the high-speed
11:37:13 rail plan.
11:37:15 So finding the funding, that's what we need to do on
11:37:20 the MPO, and we don't need to do it necessarily before
11:37:25 We can concentrate on the light rail, hopefully, what
11:37:29 will be a light rail referendum.
11:37:33 So I would move your resolution.
11:37:39 >>THOMAS SCOTT: I guess the question I would raise,
11:37:40 Ray, you can answer this real quickly, because as I
11:37:43 understand, no funding money is available at this
11:37:46 particular time.
11:37:47 Do you foresee any funding available to do any kind of
11:37:49 study in terms of high speed?
11:37:52 Secondly, I hope that this would not impede whether we
11:37:56 are going to -- construction dollars now.
11:37:59 I want to make sure of that.
11:38:01 Is that right?
11:38:02 >>> I can look and see what's available.
11:38:05 I'm not aware of any.
11:38:06 One of the problems is it's in no plan we have.
11:38:09 It's not it in our comprehensive plan.
11:38:11 It's not in the MPO plan.
11:38:12 In other words, we have never said that we wanted this
11:38:14 in the first place.
11:38:15 Let me just suggest this.
11:38:18 That's probably an important decision that needs to be
11:38:20 I think the MPO board members need to be aware of what
11:38:23 we think the issues are, and then they can decide if
11:38:27 they want to study that, or they have enough
11:38:30 I'm going to go to the extreme here.
11:38:34 But the extreme was should we have an ocean liner go
11:38:36 back and forth between downtown Tampa and downtown
11:38:38 St. Pete?
11:38:39 You know probably you are not going to spend any money
11:38:42 studying that because it wouldn't work.
11:38:44 Another question is do we have enough information with
11:38:46 the grade separations and the timing and all to know it
11:38:50 wouldn't work or not.
11:38:51 I don't know. But people could be aware some of basics
11:38:54 and then decide what they want to do, if they want to
11:38:56 study, then we can look for areas where funds could be
11:39:00 I don't know if any are for something not in the plan.
11:39:03 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Great.
11:39:04 I have an agenda I want to get through this morning.
11:39:06 And --
11:39:10 >> I am trying to --
11:39:11 >>THOMAS SCOTT: I understand, I understand.
11:39:12 Councilman Miranda.
11:39:14 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have been quietly sitting here and
11:39:16 listening in the office doing other things at the same
11:39:18 time, but I can understand the frustration and the need
11:39:23 and so forth, who is going to pay for this study?
11:39:26 Where is the money coming from?
11:39:28 Is there money coming?
11:39:29 So then lie and I tell myself, I don't compete against
11:39:34 You compete against yourselves.
11:39:39 Does Orlando sit down and say, I want to be Tampa, I
11:39:41 want to add more cruise ships coming in and out of
11:39:46 How do they get them there?
11:39:48 So, you know, a few years ago, there's 150,000 people
11:39:52 leaving Tampa on cruise ships.
11:39:54 Now there's I believe 700,000 or so.
11:39:57 So then I hear, we don't have enough international
11:40:00 You're right.
11:40:01 You know why?
11:40:04 Because the need is not there.
11:40:07 Where do you have the flights?
11:40:08 No airline is going to say I'm not going to go to
11:40:11 Tampa, even though there's a waiting line for me to fly
11:40:13 out Tampa to go to South America or Central America.
11:40:16 Only British air has regular flights, if I recall.
11:40:21 And why?
11:40:22 Because the beaches advertise in Europe.
11:40:24 The beaches advertise in different areas.
11:40:26 And there's a demand for those flights coming in.
11:40:31 Just like there is a demand to go back to wherever you
11:40:33 came from.
11:40:34 So when these things happen, you will have all of that.
11:40:37 The market drives the marketplace.
11:40:39 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Okay.
11:40:43 There's a motion by Councilwoman Mulhern.
11:40:45 Is there a second to that motion?
11:40:50 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I second that.
11:40:51 >>THOMAS SCOTT: There's a motion and second.
11:40:52 And the resolution is asking, I believe, FDOT to apply
11:40:57 for planning dollars for high-speed rail to the
11:41:01 That's what the resolution says.
11:41:02 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I don't have the resolution in front
11:41:04 of me, but council should have it in its backup.
11:41:10 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Okay.
11:41:11 Let's take this up this afternoon.
11:41:13 >>GWEN MILLER: Let's vote on it.
11:41:16 We have it right hear.
11:41:18 >>MARTIN SHELBY: The resolution is declaring support
11:41:22 for high-speed rail at Tampa International Airport,
11:41:25 requesting the Florida Department of Transportation to
11:41:27 apply for federal grant funds for planning an
11:41:30 additional segment for high-speed rail station at Tampa
11:41:32 International Airport.
11:41:35 Providing an effective date.
11:41:35 >>THOMAS SCOTT: That's what I'm saying.
11:41:37 >>MARY MULHERN: I think the resolution is fine as
11:41:42 stated and we could go forward with it, knowing after
11:41:46 hearing from Mr. Chiaramonte that what will need to
11:41:50 happen is this will have to go through MPO process
11:41:53 before FDOT is going to apply -- even consider
11:41:58 So we know what the process will be.
11:41:59 >>THOMAS SCOTT: There's a motion.
11:42:00 All in favor signify by saying Aye.
11:42:03 >>THE CLERK: Can I have a voice roll call?
11:42:11 >>CURTIS STOKES: Nay.
11:42:11 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Nay.
11:42:13 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Yes.
11:42:14 >>GWEN MILLER: Nay.
11:42:15 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Nay.
11:42:17 >>MARY MULHERN: Yes.
11:42:20 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: Yes.
11:42:23 >> The motion failed 3-4 with Stokes, Miranda, Miller
11:42:27 and Scott voting no.
11:42:28 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Okay.
11:42:37 We have guests here from Tampa General to come quickly,
11:42:41 give us an update on where we are.
11:42:55 Tampa General.
11:42:55 >> I would like to make one correction.
11:43:02 I'm actually with LifeLink.
11:43:04 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Well, it says here Tampa General
11:43:06 Hospital representative regarding LifeLink health care
11:43:11 >> What I would like to do is share something, a change
11:43:14 that's going to be occurring in health care,
11:43:17 specifically transplant here in the coming months and
11:43:19 has been going on now for several months.
11:43:21 But before I do that, my name is Danny Hawke, the
11:43:25 transplant administrator for the Health Care Institute.
11:43:27 And I would like to read a little history, if I could,
11:43:30 about the organization in transplant in this community.
11:43:33 The LifeLink health care institute began in 1994
11:43:38 through a vision to create a world class transplant
11:43:41 physician practice in Tampa, Florida.
11:43:42 The program started by providing kidney transplants,
11:43:47 then incorporated a liver transplant department and
11:43:50 transplant cardiology.
11:43:53 -- cardiology.
11:43:54 Over time patients would receive heart, lung, pancreas
11:43:56 transplants under the care of LifeLink physicians and
11:44:00 Since 1994, 2,751 kidney recipients have benefited from
11:44:07 our services.
11:44:09 982 liver transplant recipients have benefited.
11:44:13 And 216 individuals have been freed from diabetes as a
11:44:17 result of pancreas transplants.
11:44:22 Also 924 people have benefited from the gift of life
11:44:25 for heart and lung transplantation.
11:44:29 LifeLink became a leader in providing health indication
11:44:32 to patients, public and referring physicians and
11:44:35 slowing the progression of end stage organ disease as
11:44:38 distinguished partnership with Tampa General Hospital
11:44:41 led to the development of target therapies to help
11:44:44 those waiting for life saving transplants and a program
11:44:48 boasting some of the best transplant outcomes in this
11:44:51 Last year, plans were made to ensure the continued
11:44:55 growth and success of the adult transplant programs in
11:44:58 Tampa helping as many patients as possible, taking
11:45:03 crucial steps to implement the progression to Tampa
11:45:05 General Hospital.
11:45:08 Over many months instituted by the health care
11:45:11 institute staff began transitioning from the employment
11:45:13 of LifeLink to the employment of Tampa General
11:45:18 Next year, the care of those who receive as well as
11:45:21 those waiting for life saving transplants will be
11:45:23 provided by Tampa General Hospital medical and support
11:45:26 staff, many of which were previously employed by
11:45:31 The transplant program will undoubtedly flourish, and
11:45:34 as more and more people receive their second chance of
11:45:37 light, Tampa Florida LifeLink will remain proud of its
11:45:41 contribution to the last 14 years to the transplant
11:45:44 The other reason I wanted to be here personally is
11:45:47 because, as we wind down the health care institute and
11:45:50 transition employees to the employment of Tampa General
11:45:52 Hospital, you will see notices legally that we have to
11:45:57 file in the paper and through written notification that
11:46:00 has to go out.
11:46:01 Way wanted to make sure is that LifeLink is still here
11:46:04 in this community.
11:46:05 LifeLink started as an organ procurement and recovery
11:46:10 as well as organs.
11:46:11 We are going to continue to do that.
11:46:13 It just this one division of LifeLink called the health
11:46:16 care institute, the employees and physicians are now
11:46:19 going to become employees of Tampa General Hospital,
11:46:24 and all this will be effective October 1st.
11:46:26 The patients will still be seen at LifeLink.
11:46:29 They are still going to be scheduled in our facility,
11:46:33 because at the current time Tampa general doesn't have
11:46:35 other clinic facilities to move everyone to.
11:46:38 So they have signed an agreement, release agreement to
11:46:41 stay in our facility for two more years with an option
11:46:45 for a third year.
11:46:46 But also have asked for a 09 day option out should some
11:46:50 other property become available and they relocate the
11:46:52 clinics to that facility to be named.
11:46:55 But this is -- we are working very closely with the
11:46:59 We will continue to do so.
11:47:00 We will continue to exist as an organization, will
11:47:04 counsel with donor families about the option of organ
11:47:07 and tissue donation, as well as the aspect of if you
11:47:12 identified donor and organs, you have to have a tissue
11:47:15 type in the lab to match the organs to the recipients.
11:47:18 LifeLink will still continue to operate that operation
11:47:22 as well as our relatively new tissue bank facilities
11:47:26 out in West Tampa here that we just relocated to, where
11:47:31 when someone donates tissues, systems 60 people can
11:47:34 benefit from one donation.
11:47:36 We actually can figure and process the tissue for
11:47:39 transplanting to on the recipients.
11:47:41 I just wanted to share that with you guys today.
11:47:44 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you very much.
11:47:46 Any questions?
11:47:47 >>MARY MULHERN: I just want to thank you for the great
11:47:49 work you are doing and give a shout out to Dr. Alfina.
11:47:56 >> We appreciate you coming today to brief us and thank
11:47:59 you for the great work you all have done.
11:48:01 >>> Thank you.
11:48:02 I appreciate your time.
11:48:03 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you very much.
11:48:07 Item 64 and 65, we'll take those two together.
11:48:13 Are there any questions?
11:48:15 We have all been briefed on this particular item.
11:48:18 This is the parking change downtown relative to our
11:48:23 parking meters.
11:48:24 Do you want to give us an overview, brief overview?
11:48:27 >>> Irvin Lee, director of public works.
11:48:32 I believe you all have received information, advance
11:48:36 information on what is a great opportunity for Tampa's
11:48:38 downtown, with the acquisition, installation and
11:48:44 operation of multi-spaced meters in downtown core.
11:48:48 I would be happy to answer any questions that you might
11:48:50 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I just want to -- I think we met
11:48:55 and cleared this up.
11:48:56 But two things.
11:48:57 First, if you go and park your car at one of these
11:49:03 meters and you leave before it's up, does it go back to
11:49:06 zero and the next person has to repay again?
11:49:10 Are there any time left for somebody else to use?
11:49:16 As I read, they are credit card, they are electronic,
11:49:22 they do everything but comb your hair.
11:49:24 And you know and I know what that is.
11:49:31 [ Laughter ]
11:49:32 The next thing is of the $2.138 million, if nothing was
11:49:37 to happen, at what point in time do these axes meet
11:49:42 with the return of the 2.138 million becomes reality?
11:49:46 In other words, if the system that you have now doesn't
11:49:50 need $2.138 million, and I see where there's a
11:49:53 management fee of $1500 a month, fleece some other
11:49:56 charges that have not been -- I didn't read the whole
11:49:59 thing because it's voluminous, but I just picked out
11:50:02 little things that I thought I could bring up.
11:50:05 And those were the things.
11:50:06 The other thing that's troubling a little bit is that
11:50:09 it's for a three-year contract with four one-year
11:50:17 extensions so I'm assuming the first three years like a
11:50:23 patient is not breathing very well and nothing happens
11:50:25 as far as rates and so forth.
11:50:28 What happens?
11:50:29 Do we have experience from the other cities that I saw
11:50:34 some in Canada, some in Florida, some in Texas?
11:50:37 What happens in the fourth year when those softwares
11:50:42 and hardwares are updated or something?
11:50:45 I learned one thing about computers.
11:50:47 Buying them is the cheapest part.
11:50:51 And what happens after that?
11:50:53 The maintenance is what grabs you.
11:50:55 And it's what chokes on you.
11:50:57 So I'm not talking about this specific item.
11:51:00 But do we know what the cost is going to be down the
11:51:03 From any city that has this system?
11:51:10 >> Councilman, let me start with the first one.
11:51:12 In terms of the additional time left on a meter, the
11:51:20 really great thing about this system is it allows
11:51:22 people to purchase the amount of parking time that they
11:51:26 And if by some chance they happen to purchase more time
11:51:33 than they actually need, then again that's no different
11:51:36 than any other commercial transaction.
11:51:38 You pay for what you want.
11:51:40 You pay for what you need.
11:51:41 Unfortunately this system does not provide, the
11:51:45 technology is just not there to provide people a
11:51:49 When you go --
11:51:51 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: No, no, I'm not asking for a refund.
11:51:54 I'm sorry I misled you in that way.
11:51:56 If I go to a meter and I buy an hour and a half, I come
11:52:01 to City Hall for whatever purpose, and I finish in 15
11:52:04 minutes and I leave, what happens to that 1 hour 15
11:52:08 minute on the meeter?
11:52:09 Does it go to zero?
11:52:11 Or does it stay at 1 hour 45 minutes?
11:52:22 In other words, would like to give the city a break.
11:52:24 >> Jim Corbett, parking manager.
11:52:26 To answer that question, it doesn't go back to zero.
11:52:29 There's not a display screen that will tell you that
11:52:34 you have got 15 minutes left.
11:52:36 Each person that interact with that multi-space machine
11:52:39 will have a fresh start to pay.
11:52:42 So you are essentially buying that time that will
11:52:46 enable you to park this as long as you choose, but
11:52:48 again if you leave early, that's your decision.
11:52:52 >> Lose the time.
11:52:54 >> You lose the time.
11:52:55 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Councilman Caetano and Councilwoman
11:53:03 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: I met yesterday with these two
11:53:06 You have been working on this for a couple of years?
11:53:09 >> It's been about two years.
11:53:11 We started doing a lot of the research back in 2008,
11:53:14 even 2007, late 2007.
11:53:16 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: When were the council members
11:53:20 tuned in on this, or when were we told this was going
11:53:24 to happen and we actually got the literature?
11:53:26 >> I believe that was the current council that's in
11:53:28 place today, I believe you all were notified, was it
11:53:33 within a week that you received --
11:53:35 >> Yesterday was the first time that I saw this.
11:53:37 We have 530 pages.
11:53:39 I am not ready to vote on this today.
11:53:41 And looking at this, we are in a deficit right now.
11:53:44 We are going to spend whatever money we have in the
11:53:47 We are not going to get rid of any employees.
11:53:49 Usually when with you go to technology, you are going
11:53:51 to improve our bottom line.
11:53:54 We are not going to improve our bottom line.
11:53:57 They are already talking about price increases down the
11:53:59 road if this happens.
11:54:00 >> I'm not so sure I understand that.
11:54:03 Price increases?
11:54:05 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: On one of the front pages here, I
11:54:08 haven't had a chance to read it all because I left
11:54:10 yesterday around 4:00 or something like that, I think,
11:54:15 in item number -- is it the fifth item?
11:54:29 But there is language here about price increases.
11:54:35 Down the road.
11:54:36 In the not-too-distant future.
11:54:40 When it talks about the three-year agreement, to follow
11:54:42 up on what councilman Miranda asked, we do have
11:54:47 four one-year renewal options.
11:54:51 It says the agreement can renew at the same rates, the
11:54:54 same cost for those four, one-year renewals and if
11:54:58 there's no objection from either party it can roll over
11:55:00 after year seven is complete.
11:55:02 So eight, nine and ten and so forth can renew at the
11:55:06 same rates.
11:55:07 We do have the option to -- it is a one-year warranty
11:55:11 on the equipment.
11:55:12 We had the option to purchase an extended warranty on
11:55:16 the software and the hardware if we so choose, after
11:55:20 that first year.
11:55:22 That's the only thing that I believe it mentions any
11:55:25 kind of additional price --
11:55:27 >> Well, the fifth item, the annual operating expenses
11:55:29 shall not exceed 255,078.48 annually for the term of
11:55:35 three years, and it goes on, the price escalation
11:55:39 percentage change will not exceed the consumer price
11:55:42 index CPI.
11:55:45 So you are talking about a price increase.
11:55:49 That's what CPI means.
11:55:52 I'm not ready to vote on it.
11:55:54 I don't know if everybody read this.
11:55:56 Charlie said he read some of it.
11:55:58 I read some of it last night till 2:00 in the morning,
11:56:01 fell asleep on the couch.
11:56:03 I'm not ready to vote on it.
11:56:04 >> Okay.
11:56:07 Councilwoman Capin.
11:56:15 >>YVONNE CAPIN: When with you all came by to brief me
11:56:18 on this yesterday, one of the questions I asked was
11:56:22 exactly what I think councilman Miranda was referring
11:56:27 to as to if there's time left over on the meter, and
11:56:31 you park in that space, and you go and purchase more,
11:56:35 that time is added to your space, because you also said
11:56:39 that if you park, and you are ten blocks away, when you
11:56:45 realize your time is running out, you can actually go
11:56:48 to any meter and purchase more time for that space.
11:56:52 Is that correct?
11:56:53 >>> That's correct.
11:56:55 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I just wanted to make myself clear on
11:56:58 Thank you.
11:56:58 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Any other questions?
11:57:01 Any other questions?
11:57:02 I guess the question raised, since councilman Caetano
11:57:06 says he's not prepared today, is this something that is
11:57:12 Needs to be passed today?
11:57:13 >>> We would probably have to confer with the
11:57:16 purchasing department.
11:57:19 They drafted the agreement with the vendor at this
11:57:22 >>GWEN MILLER: I would move resolution 64.
11:57:28 >> Second.
11:57:29 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Councilman Caetano?
11:57:33 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: I make a motion to postpone this
11:57:36 for 30 days.
11:57:37 I would like to read it.
11:57:38 I think we are a little premature.
11:57:41 I asked the gentleman if there's a price increase, item
11:57:43 number 5, one of the first statements here talks about
11:57:47 consumer praise index, if they are going to increase
11:57:50 the prices.
11:57:51 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Okay, the question is, there's a motion
11:57:54 on the floor to move this item at this particular time.
11:57:58 And so that is the motion on the floor.
11:58:02 You have an opportunity to vote against that motion.
11:58:07 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Or he can make a substitute motion
11:58:08 that would take precedence over the motion on the
11:58:11 I'm not trying to dialogue this thing one way or the
11:58:14 But to read all that amount of voluminous pages is an
11:58:18 awful lot of reading, and I'm not trying to kill this
11:58:22 It may be the best thing for the city.
11:58:23 But you have to prove to me where the $2.138 million
11:58:27 starts to return on the investment if nothing is done
11:58:32 out seven years, where will we be and what is the cost?
11:58:37 And what is the cost going to be at 2.138 million seven
11:58:40 years from now, and no one knows what the cost is going
11:58:43 to be on those four, one-year contract.
11:58:46 There is language in there that indicates from what I
11:58:49 heard from Mr. Caetano that the CIP or CPI, the
11:58:56 consumer price index is going to go up.
11:58:58 If it goes up by 3% there's a 3% charge.
11:59:01 If there's not then there's a level.
11:59:03 So there's a lot of things that have to be considered
11:59:05 before I, one individual, can say, you know what?
11:59:08 I'm not disagreeing with you.
11:59:10 I just don't have all the facts and information in the
11:59:12 short period of time that I had to do to do the other
11:59:15 city work, and then digest 514 pages of material.
11:59:20 So what I'm saying is, it's very hard for me to vote on
11:59:26 something that I don't know all the parameters or the
11:59:30 whereabouts that could happen.
11:59:39 There's some cities that have 42 meters, 16 meters, and
11:59:42 some were larger.
11:59:43 But there were some that were very small amount of
11:59:46 Am I correct?
11:59:47 >>> That's correct.
11:59:49 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: So what I'm saying, I don't know
11:59:52 what these cities D.I don't know how they implemented
11:59:55 But those are the things that I'm looking at.
11:59:58 And I understand that I always have a plan B.
12:00:02 And if this was to pass, don't give your parking meet
12:00:05 areas way because you don't know what's going to happen
12:00:07 in four years.
12:00:07 >>THOMAS SCOTT: My suggestion, council, then with the
12:00:10 questions that are being raised, why don't we continue
12:00:12 the item for two weeks.
12:00:16 Two weeks will probably give you enough time to have
12:00:18 review the item.
12:00:18 >>> Greg Spearman, director of purchasing.
12:00:26 The price increase clause that councilman Caetano
12:00:30 referred to is standard in all of our contracts.
12:00:32 It doesn't mean that we are going to have to pay for
12:00:36 price increase, but as conditions change in the market
12:00:39 with labor, materials, and supply costs, sometimes we
12:00:43 have to pay additional for that, depending on what's
12:00:46 happening in the market, before any price increases are
12:00:49 accepted by the city, we verify that those conditions
12:00:52 have changed in the market.
12:00:56 We use the CPI index to make our projections which
12:00:59 means any price increases made be requested by the
12:01:02 vendor is actually monitored by the index.
12:01:05 That's a standard clause that we include in all of our
12:01:09 So it's not something that happens automatically.
12:01:13 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Well, there's a lot of questions by
12:01:15 councilman Caetano. My question to you is, a two-week
12:01:18 continuance, would that put this contract in jeopardy?
12:01:25 Two-weeks continuance, which will be the 26th
12:01:28 actually, right?
12:01:30 The 26th of August.
12:01:31 The 26th of August.
12:01:32 >> Or August the 5th.
12:01:37 >>THOMAS SCOTT: But that's next week.
12:01:38 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: They have been working on this
12:01:40 for three years.
12:01:41 We got two days to make a decision.
12:01:43 It's not fair.
12:01:44 >>THOMAS SCOTT: I understand.
12:01:45 I understand.
12:01:46 So we are going to ask the 26th.
12:01:50 >>> The 26th.
12:01:54 And in that time --
12:01:56 >>THOMAS SCOTT: I suggest you meet with those council
12:01:57 persons who have additional questions.
12:02:01 So the motion would be, withdraw your motion.
12:02:05 >> I withdraw.
12:02:07 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: I make a motion we continue to
12:02:11 August 26th.
12:02:14 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Second.
12:02:15 >>THOMAS SCOTT: All in favor?
12:02:16 Thank you very much.
12:02:17 We move to item 60.
12:02:19 >>GWEN MILLER: It's 12:00, Mr. Chairman.
12:02:21 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Should we go ten minutes?
12:02:23 Go ten minutes?
12:02:27 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: For you, I can.
12:02:28 >>MARY MULHERN: I think we need to continue 65 also.
12:02:33 We were only on 64.
12:02:35 >>THOMAS SCOTT: 64 and 65 go together.
12:02:39 >>MARY MULHERN: You said both?
12:02:42 >>THOMAS SCOTT: 64 and 65 go together.
12:02:44 Item 60.
12:02:48 It on the Kress.
12:02:48 >>CHARLES FLETCHER: City attorney.
12:02:53 I believe I have met with each of the council members
12:02:55 now on this item.
12:02:57 It was continued from consent from last council
12:03:01 Basically, the posture of this is that there was a
12:03:06 planned development completed by council, approved by
12:03:09 council, in 2005 for redevelopment of two parcels, in
12:03:16 north of downtown, around the historic Kress building
12:03:20 that you all are familiar with.
12:03:23 Subsequent to that, there is an attempt by Historic
12:03:28 Preservation Commission to designate the two buildings
12:03:33 adjacent to the Kress building as historic structures.
12:03:39 The property owner objected to those designations.
12:03:43 There was subsequently in 2006 an agreement reached
12:03:52 through a dispute resolution process under chapter 70
12:03:55 Florida statutes that created a commitment to preserve
12:04:01 part of the facades of those two adjacent buildings,
12:04:05 but not designate those buildings as historic
12:04:11 The request came to the administration in, I believe,
12:04:16 May to terminate that agreement and allow the
12:04:20 development to go forward as previously approved by
12:04:23 council in 2005.
12:04:27 What that would allow is for redevelopment of those two
12:04:31 It would continue preservation of the Kress building,
12:04:35 which was designated with the consent of the property
12:04:37 owner, previous to these redevelopment plans, and the
12:04:43 document that's before you would again, as I said,
12:04:47 terminate the settlement agreement and allow the
12:04:49 planned development to go forward up to two blocks
12:04:54 without the preservation.
12:04:56 Facades of the two adjacent buildings.
12:04:58 >>GWEN MILLER: I got an e-mail saying that Woolworth
12:05:05 will be demolished?
12:05:07 >>CHARLES FLETCHER: That's what was approved in the
12:05:09 original planned development.
12:05:10 >>GWEN MILLER: And that goes along with the Kress
12:05:15 building too?
12:05:17 >>> The Kress building would continue to be preserved.
12:05:21 >> And Newberry.
12:05:26 Explain to me.
12:05:31 >>CHARLES FLETCHER: I have the planned development
12:05:34 approved by council.
12:05:35 I can put it on the Elmo and that may help.
12:05:38 At the bottom you have fourth street on the site.
12:06:23 Franklin Street.
12:06:24 The hatch marked area is the Kress building.
12:06:26 That was designated as historic prior to any of these
12:06:34 And what we are talking of today would not disturb the
12:06:37 historic nature of that building, the historic
12:06:39 designation or the obligation to complete any
12:06:42 renovations on that building pursuant to review
12:06:47 commission approval.
12:06:48 That all remains.
12:06:50 What council approved in 2005 was the reconstruction of
12:06:55 the rest of this block and the adjacent block.
12:06:59 And part of that was, at least the way I read the
12:07:02 planned development works allow demolition of the
12:07:04 Woolworths and the Newberry building.
12:07:07 What happened subsequent to this approval was the
12:07:10 attempt to designate those two buildings, and require
12:07:13 the preservation.
12:07:16 So even under that settlement agreement, the buildings
12:07:18 could be demolished except for the facades.
12:07:22 So what would be changed by approval of the agreement
12:07:26 before you would allow demolition of those two
12:07:31 buildings including the facades
12:07:34 Does that answer your question?
12:07:36 >>GWEN MILLER: Yes, it does, but I still think that
12:07:39 Woolworth ohs is a historical building.
12:07:42 I don't know why it wasn't designated historical when
12:07:45 Kress was designated historical and I can't see
12:07:48 demolishing a historical building, because history was
12:07:51 made in that building, and I can't see demolishing it.
12:07:55 I thought it would still be standing and Kress would
12:07:59 continue with what they want to do.
12:08:01 There's in a way we can go back and make it a historic
12:08:05 >>CHARLES FLETCHER: There was an attempt by the
12:08:06 historic preservation commission to make those two
12:08:13 buildings what's called a local historic landmark.
12:08:16 The property owner objected to that.
12:08:20 And it was through mediation that we reached the
12:08:23 agreement that was previously approved in 2006.
12:08:29 So that agreement would require the preservation.
12:08:32 That agreement approved at that time.
12:08:36 If council wants to continue to make that requirement,
12:08:39 then the appropriate action would be to vote against
12:08:42 the termination that's before you.
12:08:45 If council would agree with the administration on the
12:08:50 removal of that requirement to protect the facade then
12:08:54 would you vote to approve of the termination agreement.
12:08:56 >>GWEN MILLER: You can't do either-or?
12:09:03 >> Yes, it's either-or.
12:09:07 >>MARY MULHERN: Mr. Fletcher, I'm still not clear on
12:09:13 this so you are going to have to -- in two thousand --
12:09:21 Were the Newberry and the Woolworth buildings -- didn't
12:09:25 this City Council -- it wasn't just going to test at
12:09:33 designating them historical.
12:09:36 I thought the City Council voted to have them
12:09:38 designated as historic.
12:09:39 >>CHARLES FLETCHER: There was an attempt by the city
12:09:42 through a settlement the agreement was not to designate
12:09:44 them as local historic landmark, but to get a
12:09:49 commitment to preserve the facades.
12:09:51 >>MARY MULHERN: What is an attempt to make it
12:09:58 >>CHARLES FLETCHER: The HPC voted to do that.
12:10:01 I don't know if it was in between council action or not
12:10:03 but there was no effect of council action.
12:10:06 >>MARY MULHERN: You don't know if there was council
12:10:09 >>CHARLES FLETCHER: The only council action that I
12:10:11 have in the file is the approval of the settlement
12:10:13 >>MARY MULHERN: Which required them to maintain the
12:10:20 >>CHARLES FLETCHER: Correct.
12:10:24 >>MARY MULHERN: So now, what you are asking us -- how
12:10:27 is it -- was there another suit filed by this
12:10:31 Because --
12:10:33 >>CHARLES FLETCHER: No.
12:10:34 >>MARY MULHERN: Okay.
12:10:35 Did they come to go through the permitting or
12:10:38 historic -- go through the city process to --
12:10:47 >>CHARLES FLETCHER: The settlement agreement was not
12:10:49 to designate these buildings as historical, local
12:10:53 historic structures.
12:10:53 >> But did it include them preserving those facades?
12:11:01 >>CHARLES FLETCHER: Yes.
12:11:01 >>MARY MULHERN: I think that needs to be clear to
12:11:03 council, that the last thing that council approved in
12:11:07 2006, four years ago, was that they had to keep the
12:11:16 So I don't understand how -- okay.
12:11:19 If there's an appeal of that -- I mean, it seems like
12:11:23 if council voted for that, there has to be another
12:11:27 process, other than going directly to the
12:11:30 administration, to have the resettlement.
12:11:35 I think what Ms. Salaga said today --
12:11:44 >> Her statement was mistaken.
12:11:45 >> So she was wrong; they weren't designated?
12:11:49 >> That's correct.
12:11:51 >> However, this council didn't agree -- you're asking
12:11:54 us to overturn a settlement that the former council
12:12:00 agreed to which would approximate protect those?
12:12:04 >>CHARLES FLETCHER: That's correct.
12:12:05 >>MARY MULHERN: I've never seen anything like this
12:12:09 >>> What is somewhat unique about this situation is
12:12:14 normally when you have an agreement of this type, folks
12:12:18 go forward and they start construction.
12:12:20 And things happen that makes the contract more or less
12:12:26 In this case it's called an executory contract which
12:12:29 means no one acted in reliance on it, either third
12:12:32 parties or the property owner.
12:12:34 So we have the ability to terminate it without any need
12:12:37 to unwind it or take any other action.
12:12:39 So that's the posture, and that's why in this instance
12:12:42 council could, if council chooses, terminate the
12:12:45 >>MARY MULHERN: And I believe that is why that to me
12:12:49 is allowing demolition by neglect, which Ms. Salaga
12:12:54 said and this council worked really hard to try to stop
12:12:57 this from happening, where people purchase buildings
12:13:01 that have historic character.
12:13:04 Erv even if they are not designated.
12:13:07 And just don't do anything with them.
12:13:11 Apparently, these buildings, it it's been 20 years.
12:13:17 I'm not comfortable with this at all.
12:13:19 And I question, now, this is not -- I don't feel like
12:13:25 this is going through the proper process.
12:13:27 This is subvert wag the City Council usually does on a
12:13:30 I mean, this is a big request, to change what is
12:13:35 settled, settled law about this particularly.
12:13:41 >> My understanding is there was a request made to the
12:13:43 administration because of the change in the market.
12:13:46 They were not able to meet the financial obligation in
12:13:48 this settlement agreement, and so the request is to go
12:13:51 back to what council had previously approved, which was
12:13:54 the 2005 plan development.
12:13:58 If the settlement agreement is terminated then they can
12:14:01 move forward with the plan development as approved by
12:14:03 council in 2005, because of the market, my
12:14:09 understanding is, and the administration accepted, that
12:14:14 additional financial obligation was part of the reason
12:14:17 they haven't been able to move forward with the
12:14:19 >> Yes, I understand.
12:14:21 You are just saying you want to go back.
12:14:25 So at some point, this council voted to allow them to
12:14:29 tear those buildings down?
12:14:32 >>CHARLES FLETCHER: That's what the original plan
12:14:34 development would approve.
12:14:35 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Councilwoman Capin.
12:14:43 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Thank you.
12:14:44 I requested yesterday the original agreement about
12:14:50 11:30 a.m. and I received it at 4 p.m.
12:14:53 But I will tell you this.
12:14:58 Way want to ask you is the Woolworth building is south
12:15:03 of Kress?
12:15:05 Is that the Woolworth building, the part that's south
12:15:09 of Kress, the building?
12:15:13 >> I believe that's correct.
12:15:14 >> South or north?
12:15:15 Woolworth is south of Kress?
12:15:20 >>GWEN MILLER: It's south.
12:15:23 >>YVONNE CAPIN: In 2005 and it still stands.
12:15:26 The developer can build a 20 -- how many stores?
12:15:35 >>CHARLES FLETCHER: I don't know the height.
12:15:38 But it significantly higher than what's there now.
12:15:41 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Maybe way want to say here is that what
12:15:47 is historic is what happens inside of Woolworth's, not
12:15:52 necessarily building.
12:15:55 Now, way want to say is -- and this just came to have
12:16:00 me last night after I thought about it and looked at
12:16:02 this -- is would the owners be amiable, if we could get
12:16:08 the photographs and get the historic, to rebuild that
12:16:17 lunch counter, with photographs, as a historic -- not
12:16:32 museum, but a historic marker to what took place
12:16:36 Because way understand is the inside of this building
12:16:39 is gutted.
12:16:42 Counter is not there.
12:16:43 Nothing is there.
12:16:45 So it came to me last night.
12:16:46 I thought about it.
12:16:47 And I thought, well, if we could get inside that
12:16:50 building, again, the 1960 civil rights sit-in at the
12:17:00 Woolworth's counter, from photos, reproduce it and have
12:17:05 again a memorial, or -- marker, marker.
12:17:11 Excuse me.
12:17:12 To this event in the lobby of this building.
12:17:17 I don't know if that would be something that -- because
12:17:22 preserving it does not tell you, it does not show what
12:17:26 happened there.
12:17:27 And I think that we really need to -- when people walk
12:17:31 in there know that this is a very pivotal event that
12:17:37 took place in our civil rights history.
12:17:40 Thank you.
12:17:41 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Councilman Stokes.
12:17:45 >>CURTIS STOKES: Chairman Scott, as a capitalist, I
12:17:47 heard the idea of government intervention in the
12:17:50 business of private individuals, but as the past
12:17:52 president of NAACP, I have an obligation to protect
12:17:57 historical structures like this.
12:18:02 1960, the youth council chair of the NAACP led a sit-in
12:18:07 at we'll worths.
12:18:08 But in the spirit of a win-win, working out a solution,
12:18:12 if the petitioner, along the lines of Ms. Capin, if we
12:18:18 repeal this, are they amenable to the idea of donating
12:18:21 the bricks to the Tampa history museum, the facade
12:18:25 bricks for display for later time in the future?
12:18:29 >>CHARLES FLETCHER: I believe the property owner is
12:18:36 I think that would be something appropriate for them to
12:18:39 I'm aware of discussions like that, but I don't know
12:18:41 exactly what had been -- any agreement previously.
12:18:45 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Questions?
12:18:52 Because I requested ten minutes.
12:18:53 We are over that time.
12:18:54 >>MARY MULHERN: I need to say this, because there's no
12:18:58 one tolls do it anymore since Linda is not here
12:19:03 And because we have two new council members.
12:19:06 When I first came on council, one of the first things
12:19:09 we got was a presentation of all the crumbling
12:19:11 buildings in downtown, with questions about what we
12:19:14 were doing about it.
12:19:15 And nothing happened.
12:19:17 And that's why we passed this demolition by neglect
12:19:23 With this building in particular, the reason for
12:19:26 historic preservation is because that is our history.
12:19:30 If you knock it down, the physical evidence of what has
12:19:36 happened here to this community, to cities, that's
12:19:41 what's left.
12:19:43 And we have gone so far as to agree that they can
12:19:48 demolish the building.
12:19:50 And let me point out to you what demolition by neglect
12:19:55 It means that buildings are in violation of code, and
12:20:02 so they deteriorate.
12:20:04 So the reason that this building is gutted is
12:20:06 because -- and I'm not saying it's this current owner,
12:20:09 but owners of this property have done nothing to even
12:20:13 secure it.
12:20:14 We have pictures of these buildings where the windows
12:20:16 were broken.
12:20:17 They are still broken.
12:20:18 The roof collapsed like that Gary school.
12:20:22 It collapsed because of neglect.
12:20:26 This in particular -- and I also need to point out what
12:20:29 an architect told me yesterday.
12:20:31 This is a very common process to preserve facades and
12:20:36 to build whatever you need to do right behind had it.
12:20:39 It happens all the time.
12:20:40 It's not a complicated architectural problem.
12:20:43 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Well, what I will say to council at
12:20:46 this point, first of all, under the charter, we do not
12:20:50 have the right to renegotiate the contract.
12:20:53 That's totally up to legal or the administration.
12:20:56 And so if you only vote up or down, I suggest you
12:21:00 continue the item and have a discussion with the
12:21:03 petitioner, allow legal to have that discussion, as to
12:21:06 what you desire.
12:21:10 So unless you just want to vote it down, then which
12:21:13 means as I understand it go back to the original
12:21:15 motion, they will have a right to demolish it anyway
12:21:18 understood the 2005 agreement, I guess.
12:21:20 >>CHARLES FLETCHER: If the termination agreement is
12:21:25 approved then they can demolish the two sections
12:21:27 including the facades.
12:21:29 If the settlement agreement is not terminated, they can
12:21:32 demolish the buildings except for the facades.
12:21:35 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Just so you are clear, if you vote
12:21:40 this up they have the right to demolish.
12:21:41 They go back to 2005.
12:21:42 If you vote it down, then it will be the per the
12:21:47 agreement the facades will have to be maintained.
12:21:50 The chairman's suggestion is to continue this to allow
12:21:52 the administration and the legal department based on
12:21:55 council's input today to seek a negotiated settlement
12:22:00 to bring back to council.
12:22:01 That would seek your approval.
12:22:06 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'll make that motion.
12:22:07 The chairman can't make that motion.
12:22:08 Mr. Chairman, if I may.
12:22:12 I'm trying to about go back to '05 and 06 and my mind
12:22:17 is trying to catch up with me in 2010.
12:22:20 But I remember this was front page news.
12:22:22 And one time, all three fasades, and then somehow it
12:22:26 was one facade that was for certain going to be left up
12:22:29 that was the Kress building but I don't remember all
12:22:31 the details.
12:22:32 But I do remember it was in the front page of the
12:22:37 That's way remember.
12:22:37 I don't remember all the details.
12:22:38 >>CHARLES FLETCHER: And I haven't looked at what the
12:22:44 press coverage was.
12:22:45 But just so we are clear no action here today would
12:22:47 affect the designation of preservation.
12:22:49 Kress building.
12:22:50 These are only the two buildings that are adjacent.
12:22:54 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: But I agree with the chairman a
12:22:55 two-weak continuance so I that everybody can get
12:22:58 realistic of what's happening.
12:22:59 And then maybe I shouldn't say these things, but when
12:23:02 they come to my mind they do.
12:23:04 So we say that Jefferson high school could never ever
12:23:07 be torn down?
12:23:09 On cypress?
12:23:10 The first school that was integrated in Hillsborough
12:23:13 County was in 1967.
12:23:15 I don't know.
12:23:20 >>THOMAS SCOTT: There's a motion for continuance to the
12:23:23 The 26th.
12:23:23 >> 26th of August, yes, sir.
12:23:27 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Continue to the 26th.
12:23:33 We can't get it done for next week's meeting, I guess.
12:23:35 Seconded by councilman Stokes.
12:23:37 All in favor signify by saying Aye.
12:23:40 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried with Mulhern voting no.
12:23:43 >> Item 57 is just the reading.
12:23:50 Julia, do you want to come forward?
12:23:52 I'm sorry, Ms. Cole.
12:23:53 >>JULIA COLE: City of Tampa legal department.
12:23:55 What you have before you on motion of council is an
12:23:58 ordinance which would allow legal nonconforming signs
12:24:02 to replace part of the sign with an electronic message
12:24:05 board in line with our code for conforming signs.
12:24:07 I can answer any questions or give any more details if
12:24:10 you wish, or if you want to read data we can discuss it
12:24:13 further on second reading.
12:24:14 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Council, I would prefer if you are
12:24:16 going to move this to a first reading that you put it
12:24:19 off to next week's agenda. It's not set for first
12:24:21 reading consideration today.
12:24:22 It's to provide with you the language.
12:24:23 It would be more appropriate to have it on the consent
12:24:28 >>THOMAS SCOTT: For next week, the 5th?
12:24:31 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Is this item number 57?
12:24:33 Yes, to appear to provide code provisions.
12:24:35 I prefer it be set for first reading.
12:24:37 >>GWEN MILLER: Move it be set for first reading.
12:24:39 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Moved and seconded for August 5th
12:24:44 first reading.
12:24:45 In favor?
12:24:50 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Your ten minutes became 25.
12:24:52 >>THOMAS SCOTT: And there is a request by John and
12:24:54 Linda about traffic.
12:25:03 >>JEAN DORZBACK: Transportation manager.
12:25:04 We have received this and communicated with Santiago
12:25:09 An and one of his employees had the opportunity to
12:25:11 observe driver and pedestrian behavior in the areas of
12:25:14 the convention center.
12:25:18 Field observations, we have come up with a plan for
12:25:21 some additional and modified signage, as well as
12:25:25 striping on the road to improve pedestrian safety as
12:25:30 well as vehicle maneuvering so that improves the
12:25:34 pedestrians that are crossing in that area.
12:25:36 If there are any questions, I would be glad to provide
12:25:38 more detail.
12:25:39 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I appreciate that.
12:25:40 When you have a convention center, two major hotels, at
12:25:44 the St. Pete Times forum, what do you expect?
12:25:52 Is there a second?
12:25:55 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Second.
12:25:55 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Moved and seconded.
12:25:57 All in favor.
12:25:58 Thank you very much.
12:25:58 >>JULIA COLE: Legal department.
12:26:01 If you would like to discuss quickly item number 59, or
12:26:04 we can save it for after lunch.
12:26:07 I submitted a memo regarding some suggested changes of
12:26:10 code on public notice issues.
12:26:12 What we could go ahead and do is set this for workshop
12:26:15 and I can actually present council with some draft
12:26:18 >> So move for a workshop.
12:26:21 >>THOMAS SCOTT: What is our next workshop?
12:26:24 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Appears to be September 30th.
12:26:25 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Next workshop is September 30th.
12:26:27 >>MARTIN SHELBY: 11:30.
12:26:30 >>THOMAS SCOTT: It's been moved and seconded.
12:26:32 All in favor signify by staying Aye.
12:26:35 We stand in recess until 1:45.
This file represents an unedited version of
realtime captioning which should neither be relied upon
for complete accuracy nor used as a verbatim
The original of this file was produced in all capital
letters and any variation thereto may be a result of
third party edits and software compatibility issues.
Any person who needs a verbatim transcript of the
proceedings may need to hire a court reporter.
(Tampa City Council reconvened and the meeting called
to order by Chairman Tom Scott.)
13:45:07 >> We have roll call.
13:53:02 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: Here.
13:53:05 >>GWEN MILLER: Here.
13:53:10 >>Curtis Stokes: Here.
13:53:11 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Here.
13:53:14 >> Miranda is here.
13:53:18 >> Okay.
13:53:19 We'll move to, I think we completed our morning agenda.
13:53:21 We'll move to our afternoon 1:30 items.
13:53:24 We do 55 this morning?
13:53:36 >> I don't think so.
13:53:37 >> I think we missed that one.
13:53:39 Yes, we missed that.
13:53:44 Item 55.
13:53:46 Let's pick up item 55.
13:53:49 >> Council, item 55 was a request of City Council for
13:53:53 this to come back to you, basically what it does is set
13:53:57 the sunset provision on the fire chief's ability to
13:54:01 impose the fee increases.
13:54:03 And it imposes a requirement that the fire chief notify
13:54:06 the City Council when he does so act.
13:54:09 >> Move the resolution.
13:54:10 >> Second.
13:54:11 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Any question of Council?
13:54:13 >> When does this end?
13:54:15 >> 2014.
13:54:16 It's three year extension.
13:54:18 >> Is this all for insurance work or everybody?
13:54:22 >> I can pull up the resolution.
13:54:24 I believe it's for fees that the fire department has
13:54:30 discretion over -- excuse me, that the fire chief is
13:54:32 given discretion over.
13:54:34 It believe it goes beyond the insurance.
13:54:36 I can take a look.
13:54:37 I believe it's for the, hmm, I believe it goes to the
13:54:55 beginning of each fiscal year, that it goes to all the
13:55:00 fees, I believe, that the fire chief has the authority
13:55:02 to grant increase of the fees in amount up to three
13:55:06 percent per year, without City Council's approval.
13:55:08 And that was done in 2009.
13:55:12 What this does, if you like, Mr. Miranda, I'll just
13:55:16 give you a copy of it.
13:55:18 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: That's fine.
13:55:19 You've answered the question.
13:55:20 Whoever the chief is every year, I'm going to vote
13:55:23 against it.
13:55:23 I think the Council should be involved.
13:55:26 >> Move and second.
13:55:27 All in favor signify by saying aye.
13:55:32 >> Motion carried with Miranda and Mulhern voting no.
13:55:35 >> And this sunsets item in 2014.
13:55:41 >> So the official -- I'm sorry, the provision shall
13:55:45 terminate on May 20th, 2015.
13:55:48 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Okay.
13:55:49 To our 1:30 items.
13:55:56 >> This will be from 67 to 80.
13:56:01 >> All in favor by signifying by saying aye.
13:56:04 Anyone going to be testifying, please stand and be
13:56:06 sworn at this time.
13:56:07 If you're going to be speaking to Council, please stand
13:56:09 and be sworn at this time.
13:56:11 [oath administered [.
13:56:27 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Item 67.
13:56:33 >> Good afternoon, Mr. Chairman, Councilmembers,
13:56:35 LaChone Dock, Land Development Coordination.
13:56:39 Next item is petition V10-219, for property located
13:56:45 6818 north Armenia avenue.
13:56:47 Property is currently zoned CG, commercial general.
13:56:51 For alcohol sales to APS, which allows for sale of
13:56:55 beverage also in package form only for consumption off
13:56:58 This is an existing Walgreen's.
13:57:01 The structure contains 13,848 square feet.
13:57:04 The area under this request is 13,848 square feet.
13:57:08 A total of 55 parking spaces are required and 75 spaces
13:57:12 are being provided.
13:57:13 I have an aerial of the site.
13:57:18 This is the site located in yellow.
13:57:23 Boarded with Sligh avenue to the north.
13:57:26 St. Peter avenue is to the west.
13:57:30 Armenia is east of the site.
13:57:31 And the area in blue is the area for proposed alcohol
13:57:35 Picture of the site.
13:57:44 That's the north view.
13:57:45 The site on Sligh.
13:57:49 Another view of the north side.
13:57:52 The south side.
13:57:56 That's the east side of the site on Armenia.
13:58:03 And the west side on St. Peter avenue.
13:58:06 The Development Review Committee has reviewed the
13:58:10 application and finds it consistent with applicable
13:58:12 City of Tampa land development regulations.
13:58:14 That includes the presentation.
13:58:17 I'm available if you have any questions.
13:58:24 >> Good afternoon, Council, officer Don Miller, City of
13:58:27 Tampa Police Department.
13:58:28 City of Tampa Police Department has no objection to the
13:58:31 special use two.
13:58:34 >> Petitioner?
13:58:35 >> Good afternoon, Mr. Chair, Councilmembers.
13:58:37 Grace Yang, 201 North Franklin Street, Tampa.
13:58:44 I have been sworn.
13:58:45 As --
13:58:47 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Anyone here in opposition to this
13:58:50 Anyone from the public?
13:58:52 >> Move to close.
13:58:52 >> All in favor, signify by saying aye.
13:58:55 Miss Miller?
13:59:02 >>GWEN MILLER: Thank you, Mr. Chairman, approve a
13:59:04 special use permit for alcohol and beverage sales,
13:59:08 making lawful the sale of beverage containing alcohol
13:59:10 more than one percent by weight and not more than one
13:59:13 14% by weight and wines regardless of alcoholic
13:59:15 content, beer and wine.
13:59:17 Two APS, in sealed containers for consumption off
13:59:21 premises only, certain lot, plot or tract of land
13:59:25 located at 6818 North Armenia Avenue, Tampa, Florida as
13:59:29 more tick described in section two here.
13:59:33 Providing for repeal of all ordinances in conflict,
13:59:36 providing an effective date.
13:59:37 >>THOMAS SCOTT: All in favor signify by saying aye.
13:59:40 >> Motion carried with Capin being absent at vote.
13:59:44 Second reading of the ordinance will be held August the
13:59:47 26th at 9:30 a.m.
13:59:49 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Item 68.
14:00:02 >> I have been sworn.
14:00:06 The next item is application V10-224 for the property
14:00:09 located at 2115 East Hillsborough Avenue.
14:00:12 Property is currently zoned CR, commercial intensive.
14:00:16 Proposed special uses for alcoholic beverage sales
14:00:20 2(APS) which allows for package form only for
14:00:23 consumption off premises.
14:00:25 This is an existing Walgreen's, which contains 14,797
14:00:29 square feet.
14:00:29 The area under this request is 14,797 square feet.
14:00:33 A total of 59 spaces are required.
14:00:36 78 spaces are being provided.
14:00:38 And I have an aerial of the site.
14:00:42 And this is the site in yellow.
14:00:48 Boarded with Hillsborough avenue to the north.
14:00:50 22nd street to the east.
14:00:51 Giddons avenue is south of the site.
14:00:55 Area in blue is the area for proposed alcohol sales.
14:00:59 And that's a view of the site on the corner of
14:01:07 Hillsborough and 22nd.
14:01:08 That's the north side of the site.
14:01:14 The east side on 22nd.
14:01:18 That's north of the site.
14:01:21 Northeast of the site.
14:01:25 To the east.
14:01:29 To the south.
14:01:33 And that's the view looking west on GIDDONS.
14:01:40 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Any question by Council?
14:01:42 Officer Miller.
14:01:44 >> Two revisions.
14:01:45 On the site plan staff is requesting.
14:01:47 If I could leave 70 to the record.
14:01:50 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Yes you may.
14:01:51 >> The first provision to visually depict the recycling
14:01:55 compactor with screened enclosure from the property's
14:01:58 located to the south.
14:01:59 The height of the screening would need be to a minimum
14:02:02 of six feet high and constructed of solid or opaque
14:02:06 Second provision, that they place a note on the site
14:02:08 plan that a maintenance easement agreement will be
14:02:10 provided for the sidewalk along 22nd street.
14:02:13 Those two revisions were requested.
14:02:15 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Officer Miller?
14:02:18 >> Officer Miller, City of Tampa Police Department.
14:02:21 We have no objections on this.
14:02:22 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Petitioner?
14:02:29 >> We have reviewed the comments from staff and we are
14:02:33 going to be making a revisions on-site plan to show the
14:02:36 screening and we have been working with the city
14:02:38 transportation and real estate division about the
14:02:41 >>THOMAS SCOTT: You're in agreement with the
14:02:45 Anyone from the public in opposition to this petition?
14:02:48 Anyone here in opposition?
14:02:50 >> Move to close.
14:02:51 >> Second.
14:02:52 >>THOMAS SCOTT: All in favor signify by saying aye.
14:02:55 the ordinance, Councilwoman Capin.
14:03:16 >> An ordinance approving a special use permit as to
14:03:21 for alcohol beverage sales, small venue an making
14:03:25 lawful the sale of beverages containing alcohol of more
14:03:27 than one percent by weight and not more than 14% by
14:03:30 And wines regardless of alcohol contents, beer and wine
14:03:37 2(APS) in sealed containers for consumption off
14:03:40 premises, only at or from that certain lot, plot or
14:03:44 tract of land located at 2115 east Hillsborough avenue,
14:03:48 Tampa, Florida, as more particularly described in
14:03:51 section 2 here of, providing for repeal of all
14:03:56 ordinances and conflicts.
14:04:00 Providing an effective date.
14:04:02 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Moved and seconded.
14:04:04 All in favor signify by saying aye event opposes?
14:04:08 >> Motion carried unanimously.
14:04:09 Second reading at the ordinance will be held August the
14:04:12 26th at 9:30 a.m.
14:04:17 Is the.
14:04:18 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Item 69.
14:04:18 >> LaChone Dock, Land Development Coordination.
14:04:33 I have been sworn.
14:04:34 Next item is application V10-228 for the property
14:04:38 located at 1617 West Platt Street.
14:04:40 Property is currently zoned CI commercial intensive.
14:04:43 The proposed special uses for alcoholic beverage sales
14:04:46 or seal, which allows for the sale of alcoholic
14:04:50 beverages regardless of alcoholic content for
14:04:52 consumption or the premises only.
14:04:54 Existing use of the two story restaurant, this is
14:04:58 Tijuana flats.
14:04:59 The site was approved for alcoholic beverage sales in
14:05:07 Total area under this request is 7,256 square feet.
14:05:11 Containing 5,922 square feet indoor area.
14:05:14 And 1,335 square feet outdoor area.
14:05:18 The required parking is 47 spaces.
14:05:20 And 37 spaces are being provided.
14:05:22 And I have an aerial of the site.
14:05:25 And Council, you'll notice on the site plan, there are
14:05:34 three parcels identified.
14:05:35 This is the first parcel, where the restaurant is
14:05:38 located, here in yellow, which is boarded with Platt
14:05:40 Street just society.
14:05:42 Rome is west of the site.
14:05:43 Cleveland street is north of the site.
14:05:45 The area in blue is the area for proposed sales.
14:05:48 This area that's in yellow, which is actually off of
14:05:55 Dakota is for parking and parcel three is the third
14:05:58 area there.
14:05:59 There's a picture of the site, that's on Platt.
14:06:08 That's the west side of the site.
14:06:12 That's the east side.
14:06:16 That's parcel two.
14:06:22 And that's a view of the third parcel, which has the
14:06:27 entrance on Dakota.
14:06:28 The Development Review Committee has reviewed the
14:06:33 petition and finds it consistent with applicable City
14:06:35 of Tampa land development regulations.
14:06:37 That concludes staff's presentation.
14:06:41 I'm available if you have any question.
14:06:43 >> I'm just wondering, we are not getting the maps, the
14:06:45 zoning with the zoning.
14:06:48 >> I did provide them.
14:06:56 >> No, not the site plan.
14:06:59 >> Is it this map?
14:07:03 >> We don't get it for special use.
14:07:05 >> Then I just have one question.
14:07:07 I see, what is the PD that's just, that's on Platt to
14:07:12 the east?
14:07:13 >> It is an office use.
14:07:14 >> Office.
14:07:15 And just across Platt, there's, are those businesses?
14:07:25 South of the property across Platt Street, what are
14:07:30 >> There's a white roof and then there's...
14:07:35 Looks like there's a gray roof on the.
14:07:41 >> This area here?
14:07:42 >> Yeah, what's that?
14:07:43 >> Do you know what that is?
14:07:45 >> This is the building that has the 3,000 for rent
14:07:48 sign, second floor.
14:07:51 >> Commercial?
14:07:52 >> I just want to figure out what the uses are, if
14:07:54 there are any residential right around.
14:07:57 >> There's multifamily, but it's further away.
14:07:59 And there's post apartments.
14:08:03 >> Is that post Hyde Park south of there?
14:08:05 >> Use for a second.
14:08:06 I would appreciate if you allow staff to respond to the
14:08:11 I know, but staff should respond.
14:08:15 If they can't, then when your time come up, you can ask
14:08:17 those questions.
14:08:18 Please keep the process in order?
14:08:21 >> Are those the post apartments?
14:08:23 >> Yes.
14:08:30 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Officer Miller?
14:08:34 >> City of Tampa Police Department has no objections.
14:08:36 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Petitioner?
14:08:38 It is your time now.
14:08:39 >> I was just trying to be helpful.
14:08:41 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Yes, sir, I understand.
14:08:43 >>STEVE MICHELINI: This is an existing restaurant.
14:08:45 And the upstairs was previously a restaurant.
14:08:47 And it dried up and changed to another use.
14:08:51 And the Tijuana flats is going to be remodeling their
14:08:56 kitchen down below and reducing the seats down below
14:08:58 and relocating some of them upstairs.
14:09:01 I think you saw the pictures of the parking.
14:09:05 This is mainly for guests of the restaurant.
14:09:09 And then this lot is a little bit further away.
14:09:13 And that's next to bell tower and more commercial
14:09:17 And that's principally for the employees.
14:09:19 We're respectfully requesting your approval on this.
14:09:30 They're mostly commercial properties around.
14:09:32 I think as LaChone pointed out, post Hyde Park is in
14:09:37 And these are commercial properties.
14:09:38 Those are a furniture restorer shop and some other
14:09:42 things that are right in there.
14:09:44 And then it backs up to -- this air conditioning place
14:09:48 over here.
14:09:49 Offices, professional offices here and here.
14:09:52 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Is anyone here in opposition to this
14:09:55 Go ahead.
14:09:58 >>STEVE MICHELINI: Basically, it's a remodeling and
14:10:01 expansion of existing restaurant, and we're
14:10:05 respectfully requesting your approval.
14:10:08 Certainly hold any comments to rebuttal.
14:10:18 >> Good afternoon, Council and welcome to our new
14:10:22 My name is Walter Crumbley.
14:10:24 I'm the president of Oscawana homeowners association.
14:10:30 And I have been sworn.
14:10:32 We have not had any noticeable problems with this place
14:10:36 as it's now structured.
14:10:38 The thing that we are concerned about is increasing the
14:10:44 intensity of alcohol use in this particular community.
14:10:49 You may have seen in the St. Pete times on April 9th of
14:10:55 2010, the Courier City Oscawana group is number two in
14:11:04 the city of DUI arrests.
14:11:11 So we are generally against increasing alcohol use.
14:11:18 Also, ask you to take note that they're asking for a
14:11:22 waiver of ten parking spaces.
14:11:24 And parking is already an issue with us.
14:11:26 We have got the problem with late hours.
14:11:30 Mr. Michelini didn't address the no amplified outdoor
14:11:35 I assume that there would be none.
14:11:37 So those are our main objections.
14:11:41 >>THOMAS SCOTT: So the issue for you is the parking?
14:11:47 >> Parking and increased or more extensive alcohol
14:11:51 consumption within this general area.
14:11:54 >>THOMAS SCOTT: You said number one in the city?
14:11:58 >> Sir?
14:11:59 >>THOMAS SCOTT: You said it's number one in the city?
14:12:01 >> Right, we're number two.
14:12:02 I forget who number one is.
14:12:04 We're number two for DUI arrests in 2009.
14:12:08 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you, sir.
14:12:10 >> Let me state for the record that there's no
14:12:12 amplified music being proposed and will be happy to
14:12:15 footnote that note on the site plan between first and
14:12:19 second reading.
14:12:19 The issue regarding parking, we faced this before.
14:12:22 Where you have an existing establishment that was
14:12:25 reviewed and approved under the previous codes.
14:12:27 And now you're having to review them under a different
14:12:30 standard, where they calculate parking according to the
14:12:33 life safety code.
14:12:34 And I would venture to say that most establishments, if
14:12:37 not all of them, will have to ask for that waiver.
14:12:40 We do have provisions for, evening parking through a
14:12:45 valet service.
14:12:46 And also there are no residences here.
14:12:48 And we worked with the additional adjacent commercial
14:12:52 property owners for utilization of their areas for
14:12:56 parking as well.
14:12:57 So I think since there are no single-family houses
14:12:59 around here, and we are dealing with a commercial
14:13:01 district, we'd certainly be addressing the parking
14:13:06 We respectfully request your approval.
14:13:09 >>THOMAS SCOTT: So the parking issue is being addressed
14:13:10 through your valet parking service?
14:13:13 >> Yes, sir.
14:13:13 The ten spaces -- used to when you reviewed a
14:13:18 restaurant, there was a calculation of point three per
14:13:21 seat, and you got to your parking number that way.
14:13:23 Now, you don't get to it that way.
14:13:25 You get to it by multiplying the square footage of the
14:13:28 use and then you multiply that times point 25 and you
14:13:32 come up with a number and that tells you what the
14:13:36 parking spaces are.
14:13:37 That causes almost all of the existing establishments,
14:13:41 it doesn't matter whether it's a restaurant or not.
14:13:43 It causes them to fall into a category of seeking
14:13:46 Since it was previously a restaurant, and after that it
14:13:51 was a dance studio, all of which would have had the
14:13:54 same parking requirements as before.
14:13:56 We're not impacting the neighborhood in any respect.
14:13:59 In terms of where this is, this is on Platt Street,
14:14:02 near the Crosstown expressway.
14:14:04 >>THOMAS SCOTT: I know where it is.
14:14:08 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Two things.
14:14:09 I just want staff, when you do the square footage
14:14:13 calculations, is that the total square footage?
14:14:15 Or the square footage for the dining area?
14:14:18 How do you calculate it?
14:14:22 And then the second one, I just voted against one day.
14:14:26 Make sure you stay within the 5949 if you receive this.
14:14:29 Yes, ma'am?
14:14:31 One second.
14:14:32 Let me ask first that question.
14:14:33 I'm not about to change a 5149, let the city be
14:14:40 >> The square footage is based on live occupancy code.
14:14:43 >> On the what?
14:14:44 >> The life occupancy code.
14:14:45 The building code, is how the square footage is
14:14:49 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: It's not square footage of the
14:14:51 building itself?
14:14:54 >> That's right.
14:14:54 The number of seats.
14:15:00 >> Mr. Miranda, it's calculated by use area.
14:15:03 The kitchen avenue has a different multiplier than the
14:15:06 dining area.
14:15:07 And they all are calculated in that manner.
14:15:11 We're not asking for a lounge or bar here.
14:15:15 This is a restaurant.
14:15:16 And per the state code as well as city ordinances, we
14:15:19 are required to sell food with a drink.
14:15:21 You can't sell drinks separately from food.
14:15:26 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I don't believe that is correct.
14:15:28 >> Well, the kitchen has to remain open.
14:15:31 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: That part is correct.
14:15:32 But you can sell a drink without selling food, as long
14:15:34 as it's 5149.
14:15:36 >> Well.
14:15:37 It depends on whether or not you're dealing with a
14:15:39 state inspector or not.
14:15:41 If they come in and you're serving drinks alone, then
14:15:43 you're subject to a state citation.
14:15:47 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I respectfully disagree with the
14:15:49 state inspector.
14:15:50 [ Laughter ]
14:15:53 >> We respectfully request your approval.
14:15:55 I think we have addressed the issues.
14:15:57 Certainly we'll put on the site plan that there's no
14:15:59 amplified music.
14:16:02 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Are you asking for longer hours?
14:16:04 >> We're asking for the weekend hours to be 2:00 a.m.
14:16:08 And then the weekdays, till midnight.
14:16:11 >>THOMAS SCOTT: What are they now?
14:16:13 >> They're not open.
14:16:14 >> I don't think there are any.
14:16:19 >> Mr. Caetano?
14:16:22 >> I understand that on the current approval for the
14:16:27 COP, the hours are limited to 11:00 p.m. during the
14:16:30 week and 12:00 a.m. Friday through Saturday.
14:16:34 >>THOMAS SCOTT: So you're asking for 2:00 now?
14:16:37 >> On Fridays and Saturdays.
14:16:40 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Any other questions? Mir.
14:16:47 >> I usually vote the majority of my time for alcohol.
14:16:50 But we are getting more and more into 2:00 in the
14:16:52 morning, 3:00 in the morning nor restaurants.
14:16:55 There was a vote taken a year or two ago and I warned
14:16:58 then, I said we are going to create 2500 new bars.
14:17:01 Now we got 2500 and one new bars, which is the
14:17:05 extension of time.
14:17:06 And you're right, 2:00 in the morning, very few people
14:17:09 And what does it mean to keep the kitchen open?
14:17:12 Mean you got a light on and a grill on.
14:17:15 That's it.
14:17:16 >> Council, I'll have to make those notes on the site
14:17:20 plan to clarify weekdays are until midnight.
14:17:23 If that's Council's wishes to approve that.
14:17:26 And weekend's 2:00 a.m.
14:17:29 >>THOMAS SCOTT: So the weekdays is midnight.
14:17:31 And Friday and Saturday night is to 2:00?
14:17:34 >> Yes, sir.
14:17:39 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Council, what's your pleasure?
14:17:42 Anyone else from the public wish to address Council?
14:17:46 Motion to close.
14:17:47 >> Move to close.
14:17:48 >> Moved and second.
14:17:50 All in favor signify by saying aye.
14:17:53 What's the pleasure of Council?
14:17:55 Councilman Caetano?
14:17:57 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: I move --
14:18:00 >> Got to read the ordinance.
14:18:05 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: An ordinance repealing ordinance
14:18:07 No. 2006-77 approving alcohol special use permit S-2
14:18:14 for alcoholic beverages sales, small venue and making
14:18:17 lawful a sale of beverages containing alcohol
14:18:19 regardless of alcohol content, beer, wine and liquor
14:18:21 4(COP-R) for consumption on the premises only in
14:18:27 connection with the restaurant business establishment
14:18:30 at or from that certain lot, plot or tract of land
14:18:33 located at 1617 West Platt Street, Tampa, Florida, as
14:18:38 more particularly described in section 3 hereof.
14:18:42 Providing for repeal of all ordinances in conflict,
14:18:46 providing an effective date.
14:18:47 >> Question, does that include, make a motion, does
14:18:51 that include replacing the issue of the no amplified
14:18:54 music and does it include the hours of operation?
14:18:59 >> No, no exterior amplified.
14:19:01 >> No exterior amplified music.
14:19:03 >> And the hours of operation, 12 and 2:00 a.m. on
14:19:06 weekends, Friday and Saturday.
14:19:13 >> I'll second the motion.
14:19:15 And I just wanted to say, I have been careful about the
14:19:19 whole SoHo neighborhood and the liquor licenses.
14:19:23 This differs from the one I voted against earlier today
14:19:26 because it is still a restaurant category.
14:19:31 And Mr. Miranda I agree with you, that we have problems
14:19:35 with that kind of -- how to enforce those regulations.
14:19:39 But that's all we have got right now, is to qualify a
14:19:44 business as a restaurant and hope that it will be
14:19:49 So, I'll second.
14:19:54 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Moved and second.
14:19:55 Second by Councilwoman Mulhern.
14:19:58 All in favor signify by aye.
14:20:01 >> Motion cared with Miranda voting no.
14:20:03 Second reading of the ordinance will be held August 26,
14:20:06 at 9:30 a.m.
14:20:11 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Item 70.
14:20:25 >> LaChone Dock, Land Development Coordination.
14:20:31 I have been sworn.
14:20:32 Next item is application V10-231, property located 533
14:20:39 South Howard Avenue.
14:20:40 Property is currently zoned commercial general.
14:20:43 Proposed special use is alcoholic beverage sales
14:20:45 4(COP-R) which regards for sale of beverages for
14:20:50 consumption on the premises only.
14:20:52 Existing use is a restaurant, location approved by
14:20:55 alcoholic beverage sales in 2009, containing 3,016
14:20:59 square feet.
14:21:00 Total area under this request is 4,305 square feet.
14:21:05 Required parking is 83 spaces and 86 spaces are being
14:21:11 >> And I have an aerial of the site.
14:21:14 This is located in the whirly shopping center.
14:21:19 This is boarded with Howard avenue, just east of the
14:21:22 Swan avenue is south of the site.
14:21:25 This is the area in yellow and area in blue is the area
14:21:28 for proposed sales.
14:21:35 And I have pictures of the site.
14:21:37 That's another view of the site.
14:21:48 Another view of the shopping center.
14:21:55 And then another.
14:21:58 The Development Review Committee has reviewed the
14:22:02 petition and finds it consist tenths with applicable
14:22:05 City of Tampa land development regulations.
14:22:07 I'm available if you have any questions.
14:22:10 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Questions of Council?
14:22:11 Officer Miller?
14:22:14 >> Officer Miller, City of Tampa Police Department.
14:22:16 City of Tampa Police Department has no objections.
14:22:19 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Commissioner?
14:22:23 >> Good afternoon.
14:22:30 We have two amendments to our site plan that we'd like
14:22:34 to make.
14:22:35 Excuse me.
14:22:36 In discussing this project with Mr. Crumbley on the
14:22:42 neighborhood association, he had raised some concerns.
14:22:46 So we had agreed to change the hours of operation, the
14:22:50 evening hours of operation.
14:22:51 And we'd like to amend the site plan, to state that the
14:22:55 evening hours of operation will be Monday through
14:22:57 Wednesday, 5:00 p.m. to 10:00 p.m.
14:22:59 Thursday and Friday, 5:00 p.m. to midnight.
14:23:02 Saturday, 3:00 p.m. to midnight.
14:23:04 And Sunday, 3:00 p.m. to 10:00 p.m.
14:23:07 The second amendment is that we would add a note to the
14:23:15 site plan agreeing not in the future for this
14:23:18 particular restaurant to seek a 4(COP-X), to ensure
14:23:23 that this remains a restaurant.
14:23:25 >> How is that enforceable?
14:23:29 >> You can't place a request tying another potential
14:23:33 property owner to what they can and cannot apply for.
14:23:38 They can state that on the record.
14:23:39 Somebody could bring that up.
14:23:40 But it cannot be an enforceable condition.
14:23:43 The rules is consistently given that advice on these
14:23:47 Thank you.
14:23:48 >>THOMAS SCOTT: That means that we have to go back and
14:23:50 dig up the minutes.
14:23:51 Four years from now.
14:23:53 >> I understand.
14:23:55 Nothing further, if you have any questions, I'd be
14:23:57 happy to answer them.
14:23:58 Thank you.
14:24:07 >> Good afternoon, Walter Crumbley, president of
14:24:09 Courier City Oscawana Homeowners Association.
14:24:13 I spent considerable time with Mr. Stoltenberg and our
14:24:23 neighborhood association.
14:24:24 And generally speaking, we have found them to be good
14:24:27 We have not had any complaint about problems over there
14:24:30 in the year that they have been there.
14:24:31 And given that they are willing to limit their hours,
14:24:38 we would go along with their request to change it,
14:24:42 designation to 4(COP-R).
14:24:48 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Anyone else from the public wish to
14:24:50 address Council?
14:24:51 Anyone else in opposition?
14:24:53 >> Had mover to close.
14:24:55 >> All signify by saying aye.
14:25:00 Councilmember Stokes, read the ordinance please.
14:25:03 >>Curtis Stokes: An ordinance referring ordinance
14:25:08 2009-229 special use permit SU-II making lawful the
14:25:15 sale of beverages containing alcohol regardless of
14:25:17 alcohol content, beer, wine and liquor.
14:25:23 For consumption on premises only in connection with the
14:25:26 restaurant business, establishment at or from that
14:25:28 certain lot, plot or tract of land located at 533 South
14:25:32 Howard Avenue, and more particularly described in
14:25:38 section 3 hereof.
14:25:39 Providing for repeal of all ordinances in conflict,
14:25:44 providing an effective date.
14:25:46 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Been moved and second.
14:25:48 Second by Councilwoman Mulhern.
14:25:52 >> Motion carried unanimously.
14:25:53 Second reading of the ordinance will be held August the
14:25:57 26th at 9:30 a.m.
14:26:04 >> Item 71.
14:26:08 >> LaChone Dock, Land Development Coordination and I
14:26:19 have been sworn.
14:26:20 The next item is application V10-232, for property 915
14:26:27 South Howard Avenue.
14:26:29 The proposed special use is alcoholic beverage sales
14:26:32 4(COP-R) which allows for sale of beverages for
14:26:36 consumption on the premises only.
14:26:40 Site contains 17,765 square feet.
14:26:42 The existing use is a restaurant.
14:26:45 Location was approved for alcoholic beverage sales in
14:26:48 With conditions.
14:26:50 The current request is for approval without conditions.
14:26:52 Total area under this request is 5,380 square feet.
14:26:56 Containing 3,975 square feet indoor area and 1,405
14:27:03 square feet outdoor area.
14:27:04 The required parking is 39 spaces and 22 spaces are
14:27:08 being provided.
14:27:09 And this is an aerial of the site.
14:27:14 This is the site located here in yellow on Howard
14:27:19 Morrison avenue south of the site.
14:27:21 The area in blue is the area for proposed sales.
14:27:23 And I have pictures of the site.
14:27:29 That's the view of the site on Howard Frankland.
14:27:31 West side of the site.
14:27:38 Another view of the site on west.
14:27:43 This is the parking, which is located south.
14:27:46 Another view of the south.
14:27:50 That's the north side.
14:27:53 North of the site.
14:27:54 That's northeast of the site.
14:27:58 That's east of the site.
14:28:01 The Development Review Committee has reviewed the
14:28:05 petition and finds it inconsistent with applicable City
14:28:07 of Tampa land development regulations.
14:28:09 There are three changes that we're requesting to be
14:28:12 made on the site plan between first and second reading
14:28:15 that I'd like to reed into the record.
14:28:16 On page two of the staff report, the first change is to
14:28:20 remove waiver number five from the site plan.
14:28:22 Second change is to remove the solid waste notes from
14:28:25 the site plan.
14:28:26 And the third change is to revise notation number two
14:28:29 on a general note.
14:28:31 If those changes are made, staffer will find the
14:28:34 petition consistent.
14:28:35 I'm available if you have any questions.
14:28:37 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Any questions?
14:28:38 Officer Miller?
14:28:44 >> Officer Don Miller, City of Tampa Police Department.
14:28:47 City of Tampa Police Department has no objections.
14:28:52 >> Council, Steve Michelini.
14:28:54 We had previously requested on this property several
14:28:58 years ago, for alcohol and Council was, had granted
14:29:03 that petition.
14:29:03 The property is located in the SoHo district.
14:29:07 We had respectfully requested at that time for extended
14:29:11 And subsequent to that, the owners came back
14:29:16 approximately two years ago, and asked for, of the
14:29:20 hours being extended.
14:29:21 And at that time, and each time before that, the
14:29:25 Council has said go and prove yourself, come back and
14:29:28 make sure that there aren't any problems or issues, and
14:29:31 we'll consider and take it under advisement to review
14:29:35 your operating hours.
14:29:37 This is one of the few establishments in the SoHo
14:29:42 district that has its own self-contained parking lot.
14:29:46 It's immediately adjacent to its building.
14:29:48 It operates as a restaurant.
14:29:52 It's not a lounge.
14:29:53 Not asking for those kind of waivers, so it will
14:29:56 operate under the 5149% provisions.
14:30:00 They have been a good neighbor.
14:30:01 We pulled and looked at the police reports.
14:30:05 And I have them if you'd like to see them.
14:30:08 But in the last year and a half, two years, the only
14:30:13 thing that's been there has been a robbery.
14:30:14 And that was a robbery of breaking in of the
14:30:17 establishment itself.
14:30:19 Someone breaking into the restaurant.
14:30:20 And they have had several of those.
14:30:22 There are alarms have gone off and things like that.
14:30:26 When you're reviewing this, it's not an expansion of
14:30:32 the business.
14:30:32 It's not a change in the nature of the business.
14:30:35 They have been there since 2006.
14:30:38 They have proven themselves to be good neighbors.
14:30:40 And they respectfully requesting that the Council a
14:30:44 rue -- review and approve them the extended hours.
14:30:47 >>THOMAS SCOTT: What hours are they requesting?
14:30:49 >> Requesting midnight during the week and 2:00 a.m. on
14:30:51 Friday and Saturday.
14:30:52 >>THOMAS SCOTT: And they close at what time now?
14:30:54 >> Midnight.
14:30:55 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Midnight?
14:30:56 >> Yes, sir.
14:30:56 One of the things that someone had said, there was loud
14:31:00 noises and operations and things in the parking lot at
14:31:04 These are photographs of the evening.
14:31:08 There's nothing there.
14:31:09 There's nothing happening.
14:31:12 Again, under the state law, everyone has to be out of
14:31:15 the restaurant currently at the closing time, which is
14:31:20 They have to be gone.
14:31:21 And the staff is there a little longer cleaning up.
14:31:25 That's the main issue.
14:31:27 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Don't they have valet parking there?
14:31:30 >> They do indeed, they have valet parking.
14:31:33 They also have availability of the parking lot next
14:31:37 >>THOMAS SCOTT: I was down there last night, went to
14:31:39 view all these sites last night.
14:31:44 >> They have worked really hard to establish a good
14:31:47 And to establish --
14:31:51 >> What did you say?
14:31:52 >>THOMAS SCOTT: I didn't go in.
14:31:53 [ Laughter ]
14:31:58 >>THOMAS SCOTT: As part of my homework, I generally
14:32:00 visit the site and drive around, get out and walk.
14:32:03 I couldn't find, I couldn't find the address on the
14:32:07 I couldn't find the 915 on the building.
14:32:12 >> What time did you get home?
14:32:13 [ Laughter ]
14:32:15 >> Did you valet park?
14:32:19 >> Anyway, Council, they have worked very hard to
14:32:21 establish a good relationship and to maintain that
14:32:24 So, it hasn't been a fluke.
14:32:27 It's been continuous for four years.
14:32:29 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Okay.
14:32:29 Anyone here in opposition to this petition?
14:32:32 Anyone here in opposition?
14:32:33 Let me raise the question.
14:32:36 I guess one reason they requested it is because I guess
14:32:43 the, what is it, MacDinton's?
14:32:47 What is that place?
14:32:49 >> We don't have anything to do with MacDinton's.
14:32:53 >> What are the hours of operation?
14:32:54 >> They're not limited.
14:32:56 >> What time?
14:32:57 They close at 3:00 a.m.?
14:32:59 I tell you, listen.
14:33:02 >> That's where you went?
14:33:03 [ Laughter ]
14:33:06 >> I couldn't get in if I wanted to go in.
14:33:10 That place is unbelievable.
14:33:13 You can't even get in that place.
14:33:15 I mean, the crowd was like, all the way down the
14:33:21 And there was loud music coming, not from this site,
14:33:28 but from another property there.
14:33:30 I could hear it several streets over, but not from this
14:33:33 particular site.
14:33:34 This is relatively quiet last night.
14:33:38 Councilwoman Mulhern, you have a question?
14:33:43 >>MARY MULHERN: [inaudible]
14:33:45 >> That's not his area.
14:33:47 >> I have a question.
14:33:47 You said there was a burglary there or a robbery?
14:33:52 >> There have been break-ins, both there and at Daily
14:33:56 Eats, which is adjacent just to the north.
14:33:59 We have joined with the police department on special
14:34:02 watches and cooperated with them very closely.
14:34:06 On trying to maintain a crime-free area.
14:34:09 They have the freedom to go into our parking lots at
14:34:13 any time for police activities.
14:34:14 And they have actually used the parking lots for stake
14:34:17 outs and other things.
14:34:18 So they have done everything they could to maintain a
14:34:22 good relationship with the city and the neighbors.
14:34:25 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Okay.
14:34:27 >> I do have a question.
14:34:32 >>MARY MULHERN: I heard that -- thank you, Mr. Miranda.
14:34:35 I've heard this request for extended hours for the
14:34:40 wine, I think twice.
14:34:42 >> Yes.
14:34:43 >>MARY MULHERN: So that's in three years, three and a
14:34:45 half years.
14:34:46 >> This is the fourth year.
14:34:48 >>MARY MULHERN: This is the fourth time.
14:34:50 >> This is the third time, but it's been four years.
14:34:53 >>MARY MULHERN: Well, the neighbors are getting tired
14:34:54 of having to come down here to beg not to have those
14:34:58 hours extended.
14:34:59 I have a half inch of e-mails from people who do not
14:35:02 want us to extend those hours.
14:35:04 I think it's important for this Council to know that
14:35:07 this keeps coming back.
14:35:10 And every time we say no, you can't have later hours,
14:35:16 they just come back.
14:35:17 The neighbors -- I do live in this neighborhood.
14:35:20 And it has changed incredibly in the 11 years I've
14:35:27 lived there.
14:35:28 And it is on the verge of becoming, you know, another
14:35:36 Ybor or Channelside.
14:35:41 It is surrounded by single-family homes.
14:35:44 And all, the businesses that purchased that commercial
14:35:49 property on Howard know that they're surrounded by a
14:35:55 very stable, single-family neighborhood, where people
14:35:59 move because they're some of the best schools in
14:36:03 Hillsborough County.
14:36:03 So, it's a family neighborhood.
14:36:07 And we tolerate a lot of bars there.
14:36:11 And a lot of late hours.
14:36:13 MacDenton's, I don't know how they got that 3:00 a.m.
14:36:17 hours, but it's been the bane of that neighborhood's --
14:36:22 they have had to live with that so I hope people know
14:36:26 that this is not -- I don't recall Council saying oh,
14:36:30 be on good behavior and come back in a year or whatever
14:36:33 and ask -- I don't recall that.
14:36:35 I don't know if anyone else here on Council remembers
14:36:40 the Council saying that but certainly wasn't me.
14:36:42 And I hope you all got the, all these e-mails from all
14:36:49 these families that do not want us to extend the hours.
14:36:58 >> Would you like me to address that, Council?
14:37:01 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Let me see if there are any other
14:37:02 questions from Councilmembers?
14:37:07 >> At the first hearing, the hours were approved under
14:37:12 a conditional status.
14:37:13 Which meant it had to come back for a rehearing.
14:37:18 So, when it came back for a rehearing, the hours were
14:37:21 made permanent.
14:37:22 And at that time, we were asking for extended hours.
14:37:27 And the Council said, you know, we were asking for
14:37:30 2:00 a.m. at that point.
14:37:32 And the Council said, very clearly, I'm not making this
14:37:35 stuff up.
14:37:36 Come back to us, prove to us that you can run a
14:37:41 responsible business.
14:37:42 We are concerned about the theme of the restaurant.
14:37:43 We are concerned about the type of people that might
14:37:45 come in there and late night drinking, etcetera.
14:37:47 So we went away.
14:37:49 And two years passed and came back and filed a
14:37:53 petition, and at that point, the comments that came out
14:37:56 of the Council were, you've done a great job for the
14:37:59 last two years.
14:38:00 This is the first two years you've had a permanent
14:38:04 Why don't you wait a little while longer and come back
14:38:07 and see how things are doing, see how things are going,
14:38:10 and see what happens?
14:38:11 And so that's why this petition is filed.
14:38:14 Not because we are trying to beat the neighborhood into
14:38:16 The property owner himself went to the neighbors early,
14:38:22 and met with them, discussed all these issues with
14:38:25 I sent an e-mail out, outlining exactly the same
14:38:28 provisions I've outlined to you, that this was a
14:38:31 request that the neighbors even said to us, go away,
14:38:34 come back in two years and prove yourself.
14:38:36 Wasn't just the Council.
14:38:40 >>MARY MULHERN: Mr. Miranda, sorry -- Mr. Michelini.
14:38:44 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Don't tell me I look like that.
14:38:45 [ Laughter ]
14:38:47 >>MARY MULHERN: Got a lot more hair than you.
14:38:48 I have a question about what we just said.
14:38:52 Who on Council told you that?
14:38:56 >>STEVE MICHELINI: I don't really know.
14:38:58 >>MARY MULHERN: I didn't.
14:38:59 >>STEVE MICHELINI: That was the general discussion
14:39:00 among Councilmembers.
14:39:02 I can name names, but I don't think that's appropriate
14:39:05 at this point.
14:39:05 We have done what he would were supposed to do.
14:39:07 We did what we promised to do.
14:39:09 And we are asking the Council to fairly look at what
14:39:12 we're requesting.
14:39:13 It's a fair request.
14:39:16 For us to extend the hours.
14:39:17 We're not going to create a larger restaurant.
14:39:22 The restaurant is what it is.
14:39:23 It's the same size it's always been.
14:39:25 And we respectfully requesting relief from the
14:39:29 operating hours.
14:39:30 They are causing other problems.
14:39:32 They are causing people to get up and leave and go to
14:39:34 the places you don't want them to go to.
14:39:38 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Councilwoman Mulhern?
14:39:40 You have the floor.
14:39:41 You have and then Capin.
14:39:46 >>MARY MULHERN: No, that was my only question.
14:39:47 See all these E-mails.
14:39:51 >> Those E-mails were in response to an e-mail I sent
14:39:54 the neighborhood association a letter, outlining what
14:39:56 we were requesting.
14:39:57 And that's why they all.
14:40:00 >>MARY MULHERN: They're saying that they don't want to
14:40:02 extend the hours.
14:40:04 >> Bristol avenue is half a block away.
14:40:06 It doesn't back up to this restaurant.
14:40:07 And it's around the corner.
14:40:10 I pulled the police reports.
14:40:13 There's allegations in there about loud noise, music
14:40:17 and all kinds of stuff.
14:40:18 I can show you the police reports.
14:40:20 There's nothing there.
14:40:22 There's accidents in the parking lot.
14:40:23 There's a lost purse.
14:40:25 This is from the last two years.
14:40:29 Which was the break-in at the restaurant.
14:40:31 Alarm intrusion, which was the break-in at the
14:40:35 There aren't any -- there's nothing here.
14:40:38 If something had happened that caused the problem, I
14:40:41 would tell you what it was.
14:40:42 It's the too easy to prove to you if I'm lying.
14:40:49 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Councilwoman Capin?
14:40:52 >>Yvonne Yolie Capin: So, according -- with the staff
14:40:54 findings, the three solid waste with inconsistent
14:41:02 waiver number, waiver number five, please remove the
14:41:05 solid waste notes on the site plan and revise notation
14:41:08 number two under the general notes.
14:41:10 This is something that, that it would take to be
14:41:18 >> We can remove those notes.
14:41:20 >>Yvonne Yolie Capin: This is going to be done?
14:41:22 >> The neighborhood site plan relating to solid waste,
14:41:25 I believe that there was some discussion back and forth
14:41:28 with solid waste department and the applicant.
14:41:31 Legal department determined there is no need to get
14:41:34 waivers related to solid waste because this is not a
14:41:36 quote new alcohol application.
14:41:37 This is just to remove hours of operation so the solid
14:41:41 waste requirements would not apply.
14:41:43 If they haven't been removed from the site plan, they
14:41:46 really should be removed from the site plan.
14:41:48 >> Thank you.
14:41:49 >> And we commit to removing them.
14:41:52 >>Yvonne Yolie Capin: Also I noted on here that -- oh,
14:41:58 goodness, I'm sorry.
14:41:59 Go ahead.
14:42:00 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Councilman Caetano?
14:42:04 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: Letter dated July 19, 2010 from
14:42:06 the Tampa Police Department, finds no objections to
14:42:09 this request.
14:42:09 Please recommend background checks, shows no criminal
14:42:15 Seven police calls since '07.
14:42:18 And you said you were down there, Mr. Chairman.
14:42:20 Did you see any illegal activity or a lot of noise?
14:42:24 >>THOMAS SCOTT: There wasn't any noise coming from this
14:42:27 restaurant. In fact, I drove several blocks over and
14:42:29 people were out on their front porch.
14:42:32 I was there about 9:30, 10:00.
14:42:34 Society was relatively quiet.
14:42:37 In fact, I go to the restaurant and looked through the
14:42:41 They had patrons in there.
14:42:43 But very quiet.
14:42:45 >> Full disclosure, I have been a contained
14:42:53 I think 2:00 a.m. will probably comparing with it some
14:42:57 of the other establishments, so I see no objection.
14:43:01 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Councilman Miranda?
14:43:05 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Again, you I have nothing against
14:43:07 Mr. Michelini, the employees, the proprietors, none.
14:43:11 But how do we get where we are at today at the SoHo
14:43:15 We got there because is had a license that went to
14:43:18 And then somebody says I'm going to stay open from
14:43:20 12:00, I'm going to stay open 11.
14:43:23 And I'm not talking about the lion.
14:43:25 I'm talking in general terms.
14:43:26 And then we are going to go to 2:00 in the morning.
14:43:29 Then you have 2:00 in the morning.
14:43:33 Then they come back and they say, not these folks here,
14:43:35 it's your fault that I can't meet the requirements of
14:43:39 It's not my fault.
14:43:40 You were there.
14:43:41 You saw what happened.
14:43:42 You were selling more alcohol than food, and instead of
14:43:45 closing the doors, you let the door open.
14:43:49 I understand all that but what happens is, we're
14:43:52 changing the character of something that has been
14:43:56 working for a long time.
14:43:57 And me?
14:44:01 You can take it to the bank.
14:44:02 If anybody comes here with a full (COP-R), they are
14:44:06 going after 12, I vote against it.
14:44:08 And that's how I'm going to be.
14:44:10 I'm letting the world now, that out of six
14:44:13 Councilmember, the seven is going to vote against you
14:44:15 if you go past midnight.
14:44:17 Because very, very small amount of food is sold after
14:44:21 To 2:00 in the morning or 3:00 in the morning in some
14:44:27 So, whether I'm right or not, I got to be proven that
14:44:31 I'm wrong, that more people ate at 2:00 in the morning
14:44:34 than drink at 2:00 in the morning.
14:44:35 I don't believe that's a fact.
14:44:39 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Anyone from the public wanting to
14:44:42 Anyone from the public desire to speak?
14:44:48 >> Steven Daico, I have been there, Council, since they
14:44:53 have been here.
14:44:55 In fact a, one of the owners I've known since I was a
14:44:59 I can assure you that these are good people that care
14:45:02 very much about the neighborhood and the community.
14:45:04 And they'll do everything they can to maintain that.
14:45:07 As far as Councilmember Miranda's concerns, Friday and
14:45:13 Saturday, one's -- someone's watching a sports game or
14:45:16 there's something going on and they're enjoying chicken
14:45:19 wings and watching a sports game, the it's a sports
14:45:22 restaurant, they literally have to up and go on a
14:45:25 Friday night.
14:45:25 When there's title fights or football games.
14:45:28 So it's really been devastating to them.
14:45:30 And so, this company cannot maintain these jobs and
14:45:34 this location without this consideration.
14:45:37 So I implore you to give this consideration.
14:45:40 In these trying times, they have proven themselves
14:45:43 And I ask that you reconsider that position for this
14:45:46 property, Councilman Miranda because of the use -- this
14:45:51 is a restaurant.
14:45:51 And they serve lunches and dinners and the majority of
14:45:54 their business is lunch.
14:45:56 But those two hours are precious and priceless in the
14:46:00 restaurant and liquor business.
14:46:01 Thank you.
14:46:05 >>THOMAS SCOTT: They were advertising a special lunch
14:46:07 special too I think I saw on the outside.
14:46:09 [ Laughter ]
14:46:12 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Pretty good prices.
14:46:14 >> Wear a tie when go there.
14:46:16 >> Council, for the record, we are committing to revise
14:46:19 ting the site plan according to notes the staff has
14:46:22 And we're respectfully requesting during the weekdays
14:46:26 we be allowed to be open till midnight.
14:46:29 And Friday and Saturday until 2:00 a.m.
14:46:32 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Friday and Saturday two 2:00 a.m.
14:46:34 And then.
14:46:35 >> Sunday through Thursday, would be till midnight.
14:46:38 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Councilwoman Mulhern?
14:46:44 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Moved and second, all in favor signify
14:46:47 by saying aye.
14:46:50 >>MARY MULHERN: I'm going to move to deny.
14:46:51 I want to state I frequent the line -- I can't say
14:46:54 frequent, but I like to go there, when I was in there
14:46:59 for lunch recently, there were all kinds of people with
14:47:02 kids and babies.
14:47:03 And I'm not casting any aspersions on this business.
14:47:08 And all the restaurants, chi-chi Tony's is one of the
14:47:14 great things, when I moved to that neighborhood, we
14:47:16 would go there all the time.
14:47:17 So, I think you're doing a great job.
14:47:20 But I can't get over the fact that the neighbors do not
14:47:25 want to extend those hours.
14:47:26 And they've been very clear.
14:47:28 And this was, you know, the fourth time.
14:47:31 And what happens when Council votes against what the
14:47:37 neighborhoods want, when they're not -- this is a
14:47:40 residential neighborhood, single-family homes, and
14:47:43 these people want their neighborhood to, to continue to
14:47:48 have the same quality of life.
14:47:50 And this changes it.
14:47:51 The more restaurants that we extend the hours, so I'm
14:47:56 just appealing to you, to keep in mind, as you vote,
14:48:01 this will be the fourth time that this restaurant has
14:48:04 requested for later hours.
14:48:06 And every single time, the neighbors said they didn't
14:48:10 want it.
14:48:10 And if City Council isn't listening to the
14:48:14 neighborhoods, I guess no one will.
14:48:17 Going to site the section for compatibility?
14:48:37 >>MARY MULHERN: Okay.
14:48:38 General standards and a special use section?
14:48:47 >> Cite that number.
14:48:49 >>MARY MULHERN: 27-269.
14:48:52 Potentially adverse effects generally.
14:48:54 The adverse effects of extending these hours, as
14:48:58 Mr. Miranda pointed out, is more people drinking later
14:49:01 and contributing to that.
14:49:03 It's also setting the precedent for later hours, more
14:49:08 alcohol sales in a neighborhood that's a family
14:49:11 And it is the traffic -- we heard Mr. Crumbley talk
14:49:20 about DUIs.
14:49:21 It's not -- who knows, maybe SoHo is the number one
14:49:26 I don't know that.
14:49:27 The fact, it's going to be open later.
14:49:29 There will be more people drinking.
14:49:31 And it sets -- it's setting a precedent for more and
14:49:35 more later hours, more and more bars as opposed to
14:49:39 And that is not the quality of life that the people in
14:49:42 that neighborhood bought their homes for, and why they
14:49:47 moved there.
14:49:48 By moving to -- I'm moving to deny the request.
14:49:55 >> I'll second that, see what happens.
14:49:57 >> Mr. Chairman, just for the purposes of the record.
14:49:59 Councilmember Mulhern, you made reference to
14:50:02 Mr. Crumbley.
14:50:03 Mr. Crumbley the testified at a different hearing,
14:50:06 different petition.
14:50:07 That was not part of the record in this.
14:50:09 And I ask you disregard that.
14:50:11 >>MARY MULHERN: Okay.
14:50:14 >> For the purposes of this record, I just wanted to
14:50:17 make some statements to discuss what you could provide
14:50:21 for and legally where you're authorized to act.
14:50:25 This is a case, there was testimony in the record,
14:50:28 where this petition for alcohol sales has been
14:50:31 previously approved with hours of operation based upon
14:50:34 the testimony in the record during those two public
14:50:37 Those hours of operation were put in place in order to
14:50:42 be in compliance with chapter 27-269, B, subsection 7,
14:50:48 which talks about the control of potentially adverse
14:50:51 And it does specifically state in that section that
14:50:54 hours of operation can be imposed for the purposes of
14:50:56 controlling potentially adverse effects.
14:50:59 The hearing in front of you today, is a little bit
14:51:01 different than what you typically hear because you're
14:51:04 having an applicant come forward making a request to
14:51:06 remove those conditions.
14:51:07 So you are analyzing this in terms of the control of
14:51:10 the potentially adverse effects.
14:51:12 By moving to denying based upon the motion of
14:51:17 Councilwoman Mulhern, what you would be saying is that
14:51:20 there is no competent substantial evidence in the
14:51:23 record today that would mitigate the potentially
14:51:26 adverse effects that were found in previous hearings.
14:51:29 Just for the purposes of the record, I wanted to make
14:51:31 that statement.
14:51:32 If there are any questions about that, I'd be happy to
14:51:35 answer them.
14:51:36 >>MARY MULHERN: Thank you, Ms. Cole.
14:51:39 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Have a motion, moved and second.
14:51:41 Second by Councilman Miranda.
14:51:44 All in favor signify by saying aye.
14:51:49 >> Voice roll call.
14:51:52 >> Miranda.
14:51:53 >> Aye.
14:51:54 >> Capin?
14:51:56 >> Aye.
14:51:57 >> Miller?
14:51:58 >> Nay.
14:51:59 >> Scott?
14:51:59 >> Nay.
14:52:01 >> Mulhern?
14:52:04 >> Yes.
14:52:04 >> Caetano?
14:52:05 >> The motion fails, 3-4 with Stokes, Miller, Scott and
14:52:10 Caetano voting no.
14:52:12 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Councilman Caetano?
14:52:20 >>THOMAS SCOTT: I'm going to support the motion on --
14:52:22 I'm assuming he's going to make based on the fact
14:52:25 again, in my observation, around this establishment
14:52:32 seems to be a very quiet restaurant, and conducting
14:52:36 itself in a very professional manner.
14:52:38 Contemporary to other establishments in the area.
14:52:45 I saw just the opposite.
14:52:46 And I hope they will continue to conduct themselves in
14:52:49 that way and don't let this neighborhood go down.
14:52:53 >> Mr. Chairman, I want to say one thing before I read
14:52:57 There evidently has been no adverse effect because
14:53:00 there have been no police reports, according to Officer
14:53:03 I'll read the ordinance.
14:53:05 An ordinance approving a special use permit SU-II for
14:53:09 alcoholic beverage sales, making lawful sale of
14:53:12 beverages containing alcohol regardless of alcohol
14:53:14 content, beer, wine and liquor.
14:53:16 4(COP-R) for consumption on the premises only in
14:53:20 connection with a restaurant business establishment at
14:53:23 or from that certain lot, plot, or tract of land
14:53:27 located at 915 South Howard Avenue, Tampa, Florida, and
14:53:33 more particularly described in section 2 hereof,
14:53:36 providing for repeal of all ordinances in conflict,
14:53:39 providing an effective date.
14:53:42 >> Been moved and second.
14:53:44 All in favor signify by saying aye.
14:53:50 >> Motion carried with Miranda voting no.
14:53:53 And Mulhern being absent at vote.
14:53:57 Second reading of the ordinance will be held August the
14:54:00 26th at 9:30 a.m.
14:54:07 >>THOMAS SCOTT: It ain't over yet.
14:54:08 The 26th.
14:54:11 Second reading.
14:54:12 That's the one that counts.
14:54:18 [ Laughter ]
14:54:31 >> Good afternoon, Council, Abbye Feeley, Land
14:54:34 Development Coordination.
14:54:35 I have been sworn.
14:54:36 The next item on your agenda is located at 1208 East
14:54:40 Kennedy Boulevard.
14:54:41 It's V10-421.
14:54:43 This is the Grand Central at Kennedy and the Channel
14:54:48 The request before you today is for 4(COP) with
14:54:54 I'll go into that a little further.
14:54:55 There are couple waivers.
14:54:58 The first is to reduce distance separation from a
14:55:02 thousand feet to zero for other establishments selling
14:55:05 alcoholic beverages.
14:55:07 Thousand feet to zero for residential uses and from a
14:55:09 thousand feet to 315 feet for institutional uses.
14:55:13 The picture of the site, to the west, Kennedy to the
14:55:28 south, Madison to the north.
14:55:30 This petition was before you a couple months ago for
14:55:34 the first alcoholic beverage permit in Grand Central.
14:55:38 And that was for the poor house.
14:55:41 On the first floor.
14:55:42 It was for 2(COP).
14:55:45 There's some pictures.
14:55:51 I think you all are familiar with this site.
14:55:56 Here's the courtyard area in the center of the project.
14:56:00 This is looking south.
14:56:04 Across Kennedy.
14:56:07 This is looking east on Kennedy.
14:56:10 That's the new Slade project that recently finished
14:56:13 This directly west, across Meridian.
14:56:18 Looking west on Kennedy.
14:56:23 And looking southwest across Meridian.
14:56:28 Council, the request that's before you this afternoon
14:56:34 is for 4(COP) with conditions.
14:56:36 What this is, is very similar to the Heights.
14:56:40 The way this has been structured is very similar to the
14:56:42 way the Heights was just done couple months ago.
14:56:45 There actually is no 4(COP) designation that would be
14:56:49 associated with any of the uses.
14:56:51 What I gave you was an attachment, which your aerial.
14:56:57 That is the conditions that will be associated with
14:56:59 this request today.
14:57:00 Let me briefly go through this.
14:57:02 The request is to wet the first floor of Grand Central.
14:57:10 Which is under CD-3 zoning and allows for residential,
14:57:15 retail office and general commercial uses.
14:57:18 The total floor usable area under this request would be
14:57:22 159,000 square feet.
14:57:23 But when you look at these spreadsheet I gave you on
14:57:27 the last sheet of the attachment, what they're
14:57:29 requesting would be maximum of 115,000 square feet.
14:57:32 And it would be spread over the first floor of the
14:57:36 And limited to the following classifications.
14:57:39 25,000 square feet of 4(COP-R) in conjunction with the
14:57:46 15,000 2(COP-R) in conjunction with the restaurant.
14:57:49 20,000 of either 2(COP) or 4 (COP-X) in conjunction
14:57:54 with the bar lounge.
14:57:55 And 55,000 square feet of various alcoholic beverage
14:57:59 If you'll look on that, on the attachment on the last
14:58:04 sheet, that spreadsheet shows you the uses that could
14:58:06 be associated with those sales.
14:58:08 They include a catering shop, a pharmacy, place of
14:58:16 assembly, public cultural facility.
14:58:18 As you know, Stage Work has a location in Grand Central
14:58:21 that they have been working on.
14:58:23 Recreational facility, commercial indoor, which would
14:58:26 be like a pool hall if one were to locate in Grand
14:58:30 Recreational facility private.
14:58:31 Retail sales, convenience goods -- 2(APS).
14:58:37 That would be working to get a grocery two in there.
14:58:39 The 2(APS) will allow for that.
14:58:42 Retail shopper goods, which could be 2(APS) or 3(APS).
14:58:47 Retail sales, specialty goods.
14:58:48 And then a temporary event.
14:58:50 They are requesting 115,000 square feet.
14:58:54 And then those outdoor areas would be in addition to
14:58:57 Those conditions in the attachment that say that the
14:59:00 outdoor areas have to be associated with an indoor
14:59:03 We had a couple land development had a couple,
14:59:09 inconsistent finding in order to accommodate these
14:59:13 And to have this attachment added on to the site plan
14:59:17 as a second sheet.
14:59:18 We have been working closely with Mr. Powell and
14:59:21 Mr. Stoltenberg in order to get all this going and it
14:59:25 appears that those revisions will be made with no
14:59:27 But I will let Mr. Powell speak to that.
14:59:31 Staff is available for any questions.
14:59:37 >>MARY MULHERN: While you went to a lot of work on
14:59:39 this, somebody did, the only question I have about this
14:59:42 The temporary event, we usually -- there's a special
14:59:49 use permit for special events.
14:59:52 Usually, right?
14:59:53 I don't understand what this is.
14:59:55 Are we approving any temporary event?
14:59:58 Or do they start to come back and apply?
15:00:02 >> This would be like, if the grocery store wanted to
15:00:06 have a wine tasting.
15:00:08 If one of the tenants, like the poor house, wanted to
15:00:11 have a St. Patrick's day or something.
15:00:13 They're going to get through the sub-permit process,
15:00:16 they are going to come in and draw down off of these
15:00:20 Just like they will, do through the PDA process.
15:00:26 >>MARY MULHERN: So right now, if, I mean, there are a
15:00:28 lot of grocery stores that have, that sell wine and
15:00:31 have wine tastings.
15:00:33 They don't have to come and get a permit to do that, do
15:00:36 >> But that's inside the store.
15:00:37 This would be for those outside areas.
15:00:40 The patio areas.
15:00:41 You'll see on your site plan, there's an outside area
15:00:45 on the east of the building.
15:00:47 It's a small very narrow attached area.
15:00:51 That would be one of the areas.
15:00:55 That could have the temporary event.
15:01:00 >>MARY MULHERN: Okay.
15:01:01 Is this seems so complicated.
15:01:05 Why couldn't we just have -- I don't know.
15:01:10 I guess you figured this out.
15:01:13 >> I mean, I'll just try and talk off the cuff.
15:01:16 And alcoholic beverage, you can only have one
15:01:18 designation per tenant.
15:01:23 So, that -- that limits.
15:01:26 You couldn't have a 2(COP) over here.
15:01:30 >>MARY MULHERN: And you don't know where they're going.
15:01:32 >> Part of the thing here, in order not to have Grand
15:01:34 Central coming back to you, as they fill in each of
15:01:37 their bubbles on the ground floor, which I know they're
15:01:39 having a new restaurant, sports bar going in there now.
15:01:43 They had the poor house and then if they had the
15:01:45 grocery store.
15:01:46 Every time, they would be coming back.
15:01:48 So what you do you put that 4(COP) umbrella on that.
15:01:52 But then you condition it.
15:01:54 As you'll see, nothing in the spreadsheet I gave you
15:01:57 had a 4(COP) as one of the uses.
15:02:00 But that is the only way to package everything so that
15:02:03 those conditional assignments can happen together.
15:02:09 >>MARY MULHERN: This is a large learning experience.
15:02:11 It doesn't seem like the best process and I wasn't
15:02:16 comfortable the last time we did this.
15:02:18 But at least this is one.
15:02:21 >> The other thing --
15:02:23 >>MARY MULHERN: It's not an entire neighborhood.
15:02:24 >> Even though that umbrella sits there, nothing is
15:02:27 actually academy violated or triggered until they come
15:02:29 in for the sub-permit.
15:02:30 And that is reviewed by the zoning administrator and
15:02:33 that sub-permit is then issued.
15:02:41 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Have we done this anywhere else in the
15:02:44 >> The Heights was the first one we did.
15:02:46 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Well, the Heights, I think is slightly
15:02:48 different because there were no buildings period,
15:02:52 And then they had a timetable, or it expires, as I
15:02:56 recall, right?
15:02:58 They have to utilize it, they have to be able to
15:03:00 activate it or utilize within a certain time frame?
15:03:04 >> Within every special use, you have 24 months to
15:03:07 activate that special use.
15:03:09 That's the same for their.
15:03:11 A sub-permit will need to be pulled on the Heights
15:03:13 within 24 months or that also will go, they'll lose
15:03:17 their special use.
15:03:23 >> Miss Cole?
15:03:24 If you want to clarify the distinction about the
15:03:27 Heights please.
15:03:32 >>THOMAS SCOTT: I would raise the question about what's
15:03:34 the difference, I raised this issue before.
15:03:37 When the Heights came before us, there was no
15:03:40 We just pretty much just gave, I guess -- pardon me?
15:03:49 Where the whole Heights really.
15:03:51 Wet zone the whole area, what we did.
15:03:53 What Council did.
15:03:54 And so, I had issues with that.
15:03:57 So I'm saying today, what is it different between that
15:04:00 and this, other than the yellow building, I guess the
15:04:04 building is here.
15:04:05 I guess they can come in when the first tenant come in,
15:04:09 then it activates, I guess is what you're saying.
15:04:13 >> That's correct.
15:04:14 This is a built-out property, versus the Heights, which
15:04:17 was large scale PDA, which is a very large PD bubble
15:04:21 plan, where you didn't have buildings come in place
15:04:24 right then and there.
15:04:25 That they were coming forward with their development
15:04:27 pursuant to their planned development.
15:04:29 This is an existing structure, which would in essence
15:04:32 have a classification over, I think it's first floor,
15:04:37 first two floors, which would allow this property
15:04:39 owner, as businesses come in, to draw down, but you are
15:04:44 talking about something that's built, that can be
15:04:46 pulled immediately, versus the Heights, which is, you
15:04:51 know, still going through the process of construction.
15:04:54 I mean, that would be the major difference and that
15:04:58 type of development, that level of PDA, is something --
15:05:02 you don't have a lot of those in the city, but you do
15:05:04 have areas of the city that are constructed and built
15:05:07 that, you know, we had this discussion during the
15:05:10 Heights, as you start to kind of create these new
15:05:13 processes, per application, you are setting, at least
15:05:21 the opportunity for somebody to come out and ask for
15:05:23 something similar.
15:05:24 Thank you.
15:05:26 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Okay.
15:05:27 Any other questions?
15:05:32 Officer Miller?
15:05:34 Not yet, Mr. Powell.
15:05:35 I know it's been a while since you have been here.
15:05:37 >> Officer Don Miller, City of Tampa Police Department.
15:05:40 The Tampa Police Department has no objections.
15:05:42 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you.
15:05:44 Tim Powell.
15:05:47 Come on down.
15:05:52 >> When you're getting as old as I am, you don't like
15:05:55 to get up more than once.
15:05:57 For the record, my name is Timothy H Powell.
15:06:06 I can't say enough about how hard staff and my client
15:06:11 has worked to try to pull this together.
15:06:13 To make an opening statement real quickly, this is a
15:06:17 very defined project.
15:06:18 It's a defined building.
15:06:20 It's only the first floor.
15:06:21 And the basis -- spaces that we are talking about are
15:06:25 legally described and defined as part of the
15:06:28 application under the exhibits.
15:06:29 And we have what we call inside spaces, which are
15:06:33 legally defined.
15:06:34 And then we have three outdoor spaces, which are
15:06:37 legally defined.
15:06:38 To answer your question, Miss Mulhern, the special
15:06:44 event is actually a sidewalk in front of the grocery
15:06:46 store space.
15:06:47 That's all it is.
15:06:48 It is not even the parking lot.
15:06:50 It's actually just a very narrow sidewalk, so in if --
15:06:55 if in fact the vendor.
15:06:56 We were concerned if a wine tasting occurred and they
15:06:59 put their little stacks of wine bottles, else outside,
15:07:03 and put the registers outside, which I have seen them
15:07:06 do, in fact, they just did one on harbor, in harbor
15:07:08 island recently, then technically that would be a
15:07:11 violation if they did that outside.
15:07:13 So we wanted to make sure that we covered the sidewalk
15:07:16 on the outside.
15:07:17 But kind of stepping back, I'm the spokesman for the
15:07:21 applicant Grand Central, Ken Stoltenberg, managing
15:07:25 For the commercial tenant space located 1208 east
15:07:28 Kennedy Boulevard.
15:07:29 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Anyone here in opposition to this
15:07:31 Anyone here in opposition?
15:07:33 >> Mover to close.
15:07:34 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Any more questions by Council?
15:07:37 >> If I can, Council, I just want to be clear, and I
15:07:40 don't want to deny this petitioner has the right to
15:07:43 make his case to Council.
15:07:44 What I'm, and miss Cole alluded to this.
15:07:47 There's a distinction between this and the Heights.
15:07:50 And she told you what those were.
15:07:55 What I want to share with council is a concern that
15:08:01 what you have before you is a bit structure.
15:08:04 That is easily duplicated throughout the City of Tampa.
15:08:09 You've created a process, which in effect creates an
15:08:12 administrative method of assigning within that
15:08:17 structure, alcoholic beverage special uses.
15:08:20 You in effect then are creating a precedent for those
15:08:24 people who are similarly situated throughout the City
15:08:26 of Tampa.
15:08:27 And for you to not be able to make a distinction, as
15:08:31 you can in this case, between the heights and Grand
15:08:33 Central, with the person who comes in after you approve
15:08:38 something like this for a bit structure within the
15:08:41 city, you may find yourself in a position of having
15:08:44 your attorneys advise you that from an equal protection
15:08:48 standpoint, you have to treat similarly situated
15:08:51 applicants and petitions like the same.
15:08:54 So, from that perspective, I just want Council to be
15:08:57 aware that you may be in effect creating a public
15:09:00 policy decision here, that may have ramifications that
15:09:03 go beyond this particular petition.
15:09:06 If miss Cole wants to add anything to that, feel free.
15:09:11 Again this is not to impede the petitioner's right to
15:09:14 make his case.
15:09:16 >>JULIA COLE: I'm sorry if I didn't make the point that
15:09:18 Marty has made very clear.
15:09:20 And we said the same thing when we were going through
15:09:23 the process of the heights.
15:09:24 You know, that this, that the Heights was the first
15:09:27 time we had created this process under which you could
15:09:30 have sub-permits that could be administratively
15:09:32 approved under a certain set of guidelines set forth in
15:09:35 an individual petition, versus within your code.
15:09:38 Legally, you can do it that way.
15:09:41 It's just that it is, now you've seen somebody else
15:09:45 come in for that type of application.
15:09:47 It is an existing structure.
15:09:49 And certainly, you know, we are, we could face the
15:09:53 possibility of starting to set a precedent.
15:09:55 Frankly, it's something City Council thinks is an
15:09:59 appropriate idea, we probably need to codify it because
15:10:01 it may be something in certain instances that makes a
15:10:04 level of sense.
15:10:05 To allow under certain conditions, this kind of
15:10:07 permitting process.
15:10:08 But all thank said, I would agree with what Mr. Shelby
15:10:12 I will say one other thing.
15:10:14 If in fact City Council would like to approve this
15:10:17 application the way it has been described to you, do I
15:10:19 have a subordinance which I would go ahead and put into
15:10:23 the record, which contains the proper conditions as
15:10:26 discussed with you today.
15:10:27 Thank you.
15:10:29 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Now, you all, cause some concern, now
15:10:33 you start, because I was under the impression that
15:10:38 every petition had to be voted on its own merit.
15:10:40 Now you're telling me that, you know, getting what we
15:10:45 may do here today, somebody else might be entitled,
15:10:49 because we are setting a precedent now.
15:10:52 Causes some red flags in my mind.
15:10:54 >>JULIA COLE: I need to maybe restate it then.
15:10:56 I'm not suggesting that every petition is not
15:10:58 considered on its own merits.
15:11:00 It is absolutely considered on its own merits.
15:11:02 The difference here is we are not just talking about
15:11:05 the -- you're talking about also creating a procedure
15:11:08 that procedure being held wholly within a particular
15:11:13 petition versus being within your code, certainly
15:11:15 allows other people to come forward and make a request
15:11:17 to have a similar procedure put in place.
15:11:19 You always consider each individual property.
15:11:22 And whether or not this procedure is appropriate on
15:11:25 that property.
15:11:25 And again, I would suggest to you that if this is
15:11:29 something and we start to see a lot of these times of
15:11:32 petitions with this procedure, we may have to have some
15:11:35 conversation about maybe codifying this type of
15:11:38 That way, the procedures in our actual code and you can
15:11:42 make determines, individual properties as to whether or
15:11:44 not this type of process is appropriate.
15:11:47 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Councilwoman Mulhern?
15:11:53 >>MARY MULHERN: This is, you know, this is difficult.
15:11:54 But it is, as I said, at least it's just one building.
15:11:59 One building, one floor.
15:12:03 I guess -- I'm not real thrilled with this process, in
15:12:09 the future.
15:12:10 I don't know that we are going to want to codify this.
15:12:12 But I just -- you know, this is especially confusing,
15:12:20 considering we have two new Council people.
15:12:24 It's confusing Chairman Scott and I.
15:12:28 Yeah, I'm just not sure what to say about this.
15:12:35 I want to hear from Mr. Miranda.
15:12:37 If he feels like talking.
15:12:40 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Inaudible]
15:12:48 >>Yvonne Yolie Capin: Thank you.
15:12:49 I'm not confused.
15:12:50 Looking at this, okay, the way I understand it, each
15:12:55 one of these gets triggered as it comes up.
15:12:59 It does not trigger until that space is taken up.
15:13:06 >> Abbye Feeley, land development.
15:13:09 That is correct.
15:13:10 You can't have, you couldn't have a building, to say
15:13:14 it's a small building.
15:13:15 You couldn't have that building have split
15:13:18 designations, like half of it have PS and half of it
15:13:21 have 4(COP-R).
15:13:23 You can't have that come in as one special use.
15:13:26 You would have to couple that under a straight 4(COP)
15:13:31 in order to allow for two types of designations to
15:13:33 exist at the same time.
15:13:34 So in order to regulate that, they could have come in
15:13:38 and just asked for a straight 4(COP).
15:13:39 That would be the only way for them to get these
15:13:42 multilevels of designations occurring on one property
15:13:46 at the same time.
15:13:46 In order to limit that, and restrict that, that's where
15:13:51 these conditions have come in and the assignments of
15:13:53 square footages to certain uses, have come in, in order
15:13:57 to say we can have all these, but they have to come in
15:14:01 under a separate permit in order to allow for
15:14:05 And the second is to limit the square footage that
15:14:08 could be assigned to it.
15:14:09 So yes.
15:14:10 And it does not get triggered until you come in for the
15:14:14 permit and we say okay, this is a restaurant.
15:14:16 They got X thousand square feet per restaurant.
15:14:19 They're going to draw down 10,000.
15:14:21 Now they only have Y number left.
15:14:25 And we are going to pull down from that.
15:14:26 And we can only approve by sub-permit, what is allowed
15:14:29 as that maximum square footage.
15:14:32 Which is not the whole floor.
15:14:34 Because the whole first floor is 159,000, and this is
15:14:37 only 115,000.
15:14:39 And then it's broken up by those different uses.
15:14:44 >>Yvonne Yolie Capin: The other thing, is that what
15:14:46 we're setting here is procedural.
15:14:48 That's what was -- this is new, this is what's coming
15:14:53 to us.
15:14:54 And so, we have not done this before.
15:15:00 >> There's been one other time that we have done this.
15:15:03 That's where this came from.
15:15:04 The it's kind of like some of the other cases you've
15:15:07 seen today.
15:15:07 Say, we are going to condition ourselves, we are going
15:15:09 to say no amplified sound.
15:15:11 We are going to say our hours will be this.
15:15:14 They're conditioning themselves there, 4(COP), it's
15:15:18 just a far more intricate way.
15:15:22 >>Yvonne Yolie Capin: The only other thing, we have
15:15:24 9:00 a.m. to 3:00 a.m., on several of these.
15:15:28 That would be the other concern.
15:15:30 Is that also triggered, the hours at the time that,
15:15:36 besides the?
15:15:40 >> Yes, if they have alcohol.
15:15:41 Mr. Stoltenberg might want to speak to that, because in
15:15:44 his building I think he has other restrictions.
15:15:48 But subscript one says the hours of operation as listed
15:15:51 in that table are only if they're selling alcohol.
15:15:53 So if they're not -- you might have a doggy boutique on
15:15:59 the first floor.
15:16:00 Would you not be subject to these hours as retail
15:16:03 sales, because you're not selling alcohol with your
15:16:05 doggy products.
15:16:08 >> Thank you.
15:16:10 >> I just have a question for Miss Abbye.
15:16:12 In essence, what we are doing, we are allowing the
15:16:16 property owner to open up a variety of retail spaces,
15:16:23 to allow him to, the opportunity to lease out his space
15:16:27 to very different tenants, you mentioned grocery store,
15:16:32 pool hall, pharmacy.
15:16:35 We're just giving him that opportunity to go out and
15:16:41 To a variety of tenants.
15:16:43 >> There is currently a mixed-use project on this that
15:16:45 would allow for all those uses.
15:16:47 What this special use is doing is allowing those uses
15:16:50 to also sell alcohol.
15:16:51 But, they would have to pull down off of -- if they
15:16:56 have already pulled down 55,000 for other uses, and now
15:17:00 I come in and want to do something else, there's no
15:17:02 more square footage for me to sell alcohol to.
15:17:05 It's maxed out.
15:17:06 So it does allow them, and I guess what has happened, a
15:17:11 couple months ago, the first tenant in there, who
15:17:14 wanted to sell alcohol, came in, and now, they've got
15:17:17 another one.
15:17:18 And then if the grocery store anchors and also they'll
15:17:21 have another one.
15:17:22 So to stop them from repeatedly coming back, they're
15:17:25 trying to put that umbrella over it and then put the
15:17:27 conditions on that would allow for those uses to occupy
15:17:30 and to sell.
15:17:31 Yes, sir?
15:17:36 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Other questions?
15:17:37 Mr. Powell?
15:17:46 >> Just to make a couple clarifying statements.
15:17:49 Mr. Stoltenberg, he owns the entire project.
15:17:56 He and his partner.
15:17:57 So this is retail space that's part of his development,
15:18:01 the mixed use, the entire building is his development.
15:18:06 So that the residential units above it and the retail
15:18:09 space are all part of his operation?
15:18:13 Like was mentioned earlier, Stage Works is one of the
15:18:15 things that's taking up some of the square footage.
15:18:18 The largest square footage space is the potential
15:18:21 grocery store, which is 45,000 square feet.
15:18:23 And that has to eat up 45,000 square feet of the 155
15:18:30 right there.
15:18:30 And it's just for beer and wine sales.
15:18:33 So, it's somewhat deceiving in the fact that it looks
15:18:36 like although it will be large square footage, but in
15:18:40 reality, just that one use, the grocery store is eating
15:18:44 up a big chunk of it.
15:18:46 Ken can speak if he wants to, he is going to put
15:18:49 additional restrictions.
15:18:51 We have a photo, which was actually shown to you
15:18:54 Of the courtyard, because Outback Bowl, if any
15:19:04 obviously, if any have an alcoholic beverage license,
15:19:08 they're allowed to use the outdoor space, but then Ken
15:19:11 is also very concerned that that not create a noise
15:19:15 Because he owns the building that are adjacent to it,
15:19:18 that if anybody's going to be affected by it, it's his
15:19:22 own building.
15:19:23 So it's to his advantage to set this up in cooperation
15:19:27 with the city, to do these special sub-permits that
15:19:30 designate -- they actually have to go through Kim's
15:19:35 office and administration before they even get to the
15:19:38 Then the city gives them a sub-permit.
15:19:40 If in fact one of those sub-permits starts to cause a
15:19:44 problem, the city can revoke that sub-permit, just like
15:19:48 And then we can't transfer the entitlements to that
15:19:51 sub-permit to another space, we have to come back and
15:19:54 re-do it.
15:19:55 So there are a lot of controls set up in this.
15:19:59 It's been very, very well thought out.
15:20:02 Abbye spent a lot of time, Rebecca has spent is a lot
15:20:06 of time in developing these conditions as we went
15:20:09 through it to make sure that this thing made sense.
15:20:12 That when -- what it's doing is eliminate being the
15:20:16 duplication of effort of continually coming back in
15:20:19 asking for the same thing.
15:20:21 It's inefficient operation, and yet it has the controls
15:20:26 that the city's stays in control of it.
15:20:28 Thank you.
15:20:29 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Do we have -- are any of the malls in
15:20:32 the City of Tampa have this?
15:20:34 I know you said earlier.
15:20:36 I just want to make sure.
15:20:37 Is that it?
15:20:41 Any of the malls, international mall, west shore, do
15:20:47 they have this privilege?
15:20:52 >> No, they've all come in independently.
15:20:54 In fact, you're about to -- they have all come in
15:21:04 >>THOMAS SCOTT: They don't have this though?
15:21:06 Nobody else has this, right?
15:21:09 >> At this point, you have heard one application that
15:21:11 you have approved, which was the Heights.
15:21:13 This is the second application that has come before
15:21:15 There is nothing in our code that prohibits any other
15:21:18 property owner from coming in and making a request for
15:21:21 an alcoholic beverage permit, which includes conditions
15:21:25 and a similar form or fashion.
15:21:27 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Has the right to -- Council has the
15:21:29 right to deny anyone of them.
15:21:32 >> Based upon the record and testimony received in the
15:21:34 record, that specific application from property owner,
15:21:37 versus what the waivers might be requesting, versus
15:21:39 whatever those conditions are.
15:21:41 >>THOMAS SCOTT: I just want to make sure.
15:21:42 Because I don't want my hands tied whereby, if I
15:21:45 disagree with one, or agree with another, that I'm
15:21:50 bound to support another one.
15:21:51 I want to make sure.
15:21:53 >> Just so I can make clear what my statements were.
15:21:56 There are not that any individual special use permits
15:21:59 or alcohol would be obligated to be approved because
15:22:02 you approve this one.
15:22:03 But procedurally, now that you're having these
15:22:05 questions, these come in, I would say that it's more
15:22:09 from the procedural perspective, you at least have to
15:22:11 consider those conditions.
15:22:12 Thank you.
15:22:13 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Councilwoman Mulhern?
15:22:16 >>MARY MULHERN: I think what Councilman Scott is
15:22:22 asking, or what I, the way I see it and what might be
15:22:26 problematic for me, is that if we do approve this type,
15:22:32 and then if we do, based on whatever rational, not
15:22:38 approve another one that comes in, that might cause
15:22:43 them to put us in, you know, legal trouble.
15:22:48 >> It would depend on your bases for denial.
15:22:54 So it's hard to answer that question without
15:22:56 understanding an individual petition.
15:22:57 What I'm trying to make clear is, I would be very -- I
15:23:01 would be more concerned if you denied another petition
15:23:04 based upon the fact that they have made the request for
15:23:06 this type of application than you were making that
15:23:09 decision based upon the specific condition and a
15:23:12 specific area of the city it's in.
15:23:15 The neighborhood, how close it is to residential and
15:23:17 those kinds of issues.
15:23:18 The only thing I think that has a level of preferential
15:23:20 value in this is that this type of procedure has been
15:23:25 When I say the procedure, it is a condition of the
15:23:28 So, there is nothing illegal about it.
15:23:30 It's just that there's a procedural aspect to these
15:23:33 Thank you.
15:23:34 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Okay.
15:23:35 What's the pleasure of Council?
15:23:40 Moving to close?
15:23:41 >> Move to close.
15:23:46 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Move and second.
15:23:47 All in favor signify by saying aye.
15:23:48 Commissioner Stokes, you want the read?
15:24:03 >>Curtis Stokes: Ordinance fulfilling 1020 approving
15:24:07 special use permit making lawful sale of beverages
15:24:12 containing alcohol regardless of alcoholic content,
15:24:15 beer wine and liquor.
15:24:17 4(COP) for consumption on premises in sealed containers
15:24:22 for consumption off premises, on certain lot, plot or
15:24:25 tract of land, 1208 Kennedy Boulevard.
15:24:30 Described in section three hereof.
15:24:34 Providing for -- providing for repeal of all ordinances
15:24:35 in conflict.
15:24:41 Providing an effective date.
15:24:41 >> Is there a second?
15:24:47 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Motion include revision sheet?
15:24:49 >> Yes, includes the revision sheet.
15:24:50 I apologize.
15:24:52 >> Moved and second.
15:24:53 Second by Councilwoman Capin.
15:24:54 All in favor signify by saying aye.
15:24:58 >> Motion carried with Miranda voting no.
15:25:00 Second reading of the ordinance will be held August the
15:25:04 26th at 9:30 a.m.
15:25:09 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Item 73.
15:25:28 >> LaChone Dock, I have been sworn.
15:25:31 The next item on the agenda is application V10-241,
15:25:38 property located 3215-3217-south MacDill avenue.
15:25:44 The proposal special uses for alcoholic beverage sales
15:25:49 2(COP) which allows for the sale of alcoholic beverages
15:25:51 for consumption on the premises and in sealed
15:25:54 containers for consumption off premises.
15:25:56 The proposed use as a restaurant which is located
15:26:00 within an existing strip commercial center.
15:26:03 The areas contained within the special use request is
15:26:06 788 square feet.
15:26:07 Consisting 736 square feet indoor area and 141 square
15:26:14 feet of outdoor areas.
15:26:15 Total of 86, and 65 spaces are being provided.
15:26:21 And I have an aerial of the site.
15:26:22 This is the site located here in yellow.
15:26:29 MacDill avenue.
15:26:32 The crosstown expressway is bordering the site to the
15:26:35 The area that is in blue is the area for proposed sale.
15:26:40 Picture of the site on MacDill.
15:26:51 Another view of the site.
15:26:54 Another view.
15:26:59 View looking north on MacDill.
15:27:06 >> Can you show us which unit?
15:27:09 On one of those pictures we are talking about?
15:27:24 >> The Development Review Committee has reviewed the
15:27:27 Finds it inconsistent with applicable City of Tampa
15:27:30 land development regulations.
15:27:33 Council, I did also provide a revision sheet.
15:27:36 Dated with today's date.
15:27:40 These are revisions that staff's requesting to be made
15:27:43 to the site plan in between first and second reading.
15:27:46 I would like to review some of the inconsistent
15:27:48 findings within the report.
15:27:49 On page two of the report under Land Development
15:27:52 Coordination, findings inconsistent.
15:27:56 Most of the revisions are related to minor
15:27:59 modifications to the site plans and notes are you
15:28:03 The last bullet, Land Development Coordination is
15:28:06 related to solid waste a comments which are listed