TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
Thursday, August 26, 2010
9:00 a.m. session
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09:05:29 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Tampa City Council will now come to
09:05:31 The chair will yield to Councilwoman Gwen Miller.
09:05:34 >>GWEN MILLER: It is my honor to introduce our to give
09:05:38 the invocation this morning, Ms. Desiree Valdes, soon
09:05:42 to be Desiree Monsicano.
09:05:49 We would like to say congratulations.
09:05:50 And of this is a fourth generation for the Tampa
09:05:54 native, a former legislative aide to the Tampa City
09:05:56 Council, with 15 years, past president neighborhood
09:06:03 president of Tampa Heights, and Desiree holds a special
09:06:08 place in our hearts in the City of Tampa, has devoted
09:06:11 countless volunteer hours, both personally and
09:06:16 Desiree is currently a Hillsborough County employee and
09:06:19 a proud parishioner.
09:06:27 Would you please stand and remain standing for the
09:06:29 pledge of allegiance?
09:06:30 >> Desiree: Thank you, Councilwoman Miller and members
09:06:36 for inviting me to give this invocation.
09:06:38 Let us pray.
09:06:40 Dear Lord, as we stand here with humble hearts, we ask
09:06:43 for guidance for this council through the day's
09:06:48 Give them the strength and conviction of understanding
09:06:50 and reason as they are representing all the citizens of
09:06:54 Tampa in the decisions that they make.
09:06:57 Let them remember this, first and foremost when
09:07:01 counting votes, for the goodness of others from their
09:07:07 Father, may everyone here who enters this chamber be
09:07:10 blessed with integrity and patience and for our
09:07:13 everyday heroes, our firemen and policemen, those near
09:07:17 and far standing true for our freedom, may God be with
09:07:20 them always.
09:07:21 For this we pray in your name.
09:07:23 (Pledge of Allegiance).
09:07:42 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Roll call.
09:07:43 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: Here.
09:07:46 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Here.
09:07:46 >>GWEN MILLER: Here.
09:07:47 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Here.
09:07:50 >>CURTIS STOKES: Here.
09:07:51 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Here.
09:07:53 >>THOMAS SCOTT: We will now have Councilwoman Miller
09:07:57 for our first presentation.
09:07:58 >>THOMAS SCOTT: It's my honor to honor our Officer of
09:08:12 the Month.
09:08:13 And our Officer of the Month is officer Chris Celaya.
09:08:20 And I am going to turn it over to the chief Castor and
09:08:25 she's going to tell you about our Officer of the Month.
09:08:27 >> Chief Castor: It's again my pleasure to bring you
09:08:31 one of Tampa's finest and that's something to be said
09:08:34 for such a great organization.
09:08:37 He's a member of rock squad which stands for rapid
09:08:40 offender control program that we started at the
09:08:44 beginning of this year and it's been successful.
09:08:47 And the ROC program is based on offender control,
09:08:53 knowledge of the offenders in your area and knowledge
09:08:55 of the -- that occurs in your assigned area, and also
09:09:01 urgent follow-up on crime.
09:09:03 I'll give you some examples.
09:09:04 Just in the last 30 days of bring brings officer Celaya
09:09:14 to stand above a lot of office IRS in the department.
09:09:17 Officer Celaya in the last month was patrolling in his
09:09:20 area of responsibility, and he saw two individuals that
09:09:23 he knew to be known burglars, and they were actually in
09:09:27 an area that had suffered some residential and auto
09:09:30 burglary during the last few days.
09:09:32 He set up mobile surveillance, watched these two
09:09:35 individuals, one brother stood as a lookout as the
09:09:38 other ooh PS oops went into the SoHo apartments in the
09:09:41 south end of Tampa.
09:09:43 He emerged from the apartments a short time later with
09:09:45 a bike that didn't belong to him.
09:09:47 So officer Celaya engaged, tried to stop him, got into
09:09:51 a foot pursuit, ended up capturing both of them, found
09:09:54 out that they had committed a burglary, gone into
09:09:57 someone's apartment and taken this bicycle.
09:10:00 And obviously we found those weren't the only crimes
09:10:03 that they had done.
09:10:04 The bicycle was returned to the owner before they even
09:10:07 knew they were a victim of a burglary.
09:10:10 Later in that same day, he saw another individual that
09:10:12 he knew was a known criminal riding a bicycle in the
09:10:16 He set up mobile surveillance, watched him go into a
09:10:20 local Publix store, came out with two bags of meat.
09:10:24 He did a traffic stop on this individual.
09:10:27 The individual fled from him. He was able to run him
09:10:29 down, capture him and found everything in the Publix
09:10:33 bags had been stolen from the local supermarket.
09:10:37 This individual had been arrested so many times for
09:10:39 shoplifting, for petit theft and misdemeanor, that the
09:10:44 count he was arrested on was actually a felony.
09:10:50 So he took another felon off the street.
09:10:52 There was an overnight commercial burglary.
09:10:56 As he was doing follow-up investigation on that he
09:10:58 heard a call go out which was domestic related where an
09:11:02 individual had vandalized his girlfriend's car.
09:11:05 He responded over to that call to see if he could
09:11:07 assist, and in interviewing the victim, she
09:11:11 incriminated her boyfriend in this overnight burglary.
09:11:15 He met up with the detectives that were investigating
09:11:18 As a result of the information that he relayed to
09:11:20 search -- two search warrants were served, all the
09:11:23 property was recovered, and two arrests were made in
09:11:25 that commercial burglary.
09:11:28 And this is just an example of him going above and
09:11:31 He investigated another investigation on another
09:11:34 residential burglary in which an Xbox was stolen.
09:11:38 The owner did not have the serial number of that Xbox
09:11:41 system which frequently those types of electronic toys
09:11:44 are frequently pawned.
09:11:46 Officer Celaya took it upon himself to call the
09:11:49 manufacturer and get the serial number, enter that into
09:11:52 the system so if we came upon that system, it would
09:11:55 take us back to the individual that committed that
09:11:58 So he has just done an amazing job.
09:12:02 And he is one of the reasons that we have been so
09:12:04 successful in our crime reduction this year.
09:12:07 We set a goal for 2010 of a 5% reduction and we are
09:12:12 over 10% reduction so far this year, and it's because
09:12:14 of officers like Chris Celaya that we have been so
09:12:20 So we are very proud to name him as our Officer of the
09:12:26 [ Applause ]
09:12:34 >>GWEN MILLER: I would like the to give you this
09:12:36 commendation on behalf of the City Council and for all
09:12:39 those things just read by the chief.
09:12:42 At this time we have some gifts for you starting from
09:12:50 Charley's steakhouse.
09:12:51 >> Danny Lewis from Bill Currie Ford.
09:12:57 I'm proud to present you this watch as a small token of
09:13:01 appreciation from Bill Currie Ford.
09:13:05 And I hope you are assigned to our rapid area soon.
09:13:08 [ Laughter ]
09:13:13 >> Tampa PBA.
09:13:16 Congratulations from the Tampa PBA, a $100 gift card to
09:13:24 Lee Roy Selmon.
09:13:24 >> Steve Stickley representing Stepp's towing, Jim and
09:13:29 Judy Stepp.
09:13:30 We would like to present this statue for a job well
09:13:35 We appreciate it.
09:13:35 We also have a gift certificate to Lee Roy Selmon's.
09:13:39 Thank you very much. If you are ever in South Tampa,
09:13:42 come by and say hi.
09:13:49 >> Good morning.
09:13:50 You are going to have some places to go to.
09:13:53 You can stop there and eat.
09:13:59 Spend some time, because Bern's is going to take you a
09:14:02 little while.
09:14:03 So you can enjoy Bern's.
09:14:05 That's on behalf of David Laxer.
09:14:08 On behalf of Bryn Allen studios, they are providing you
09:14:11 with $100 gift certificate.
09:14:13 You can have your photos taken with you and your
09:14:16 On behalf of Rigatoni, dinnertime or whenever you would
09:14:20 like, have lunch or dinner of your choice.
09:14:24 >> Last but not least, the flowers are not for you but
09:14:36 for your significant other.
09:14:37 >> I'm Diane wood.
09:14:44 I have been a manager for David Straz, Jr., and we have
09:14:50 four tickets for you to come and enjoy the show at the
09:14:54 Straz center.
09:14:55 Thank you so much for your service.
09:14:56 >> I would like to say thank you very much, City
09:15:05 Council members, and members of the community, for
09:15:08 these wonderful gifts.
09:15:11 Definitely going to get some use out of them.
09:15:13 My wife and I's anniversary is tomorrow.
09:15:17 So those flowers and all the great places to go eat.
09:15:21 I would also like to thank Chief Castor, major
09:15:26 Ruggiero, captain Kakowski and their staff that I
09:15:34 worked for, for district one for providing us with
09:15:36 great leadership, and to do our day to day operations,
09:15:40 and really good people.
09:15:43 And those who I work with, most of them are out there
09:15:48 now working but my immediate supervisor, a great
09:15:54 supervisor, great group of guys that I work with.
09:15:57 I have a lot of fun at work, and they are just a great
09:16:00 group of guys, teamwork.
09:16:04 I wouldn't do many of these catches if it wasn't for
09:16:07 the rest of the guys I work with.
09:16:08 I would also like to thank my family for being here, my
09:16:14 cousins, my uncle back there, my mom, two little
09:16:17 babies, 14 month olds.
09:16:20 My wife has the hard job.
09:16:22 She has to stay at home and be with them all day long.
09:16:26 But I'm really appreciative of this and thank you for
09:16:29 this honor.
09:16:30 [ Applause ]
09:16:43 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Congratulations.
09:16:44 Thank you.
09:16:49 At this time the chair will yield to Councilwoman Mary
09:17:11 >>MARY MULHERN: Good morning, Tampa and Tampa City
09:17:13 I have the honor, unfortunately a little bit early, to
09:17:17 have to give a commendation to a champion for the
09:17:26 citizens of Tampa, of so many great causes that I am
09:17:30 going to have to read, which I normally just wing it,
09:17:33 but I am going to have to read about the accomplishment
09:17:36 and the career of Linda Saul-Sena in the City of Tampa.
09:17:42 She's a third or fourth generation Tampa native who has
09:17:46 spent all of her professional career promoting Tampa
09:17:52 and the city of Florida.
09:17:56 -- the State of Florida.
09:17:58 She's a rare combination of heart and smart that we are
09:18:00 so, so fortunate to have representing us and taking on
09:18:05 the responsibility of being an elected public official.
09:18:10 So Linda, please come up.
09:18:13 And I know that Councilwoman Miller always says we
09:18:21 don't need to read this but I think today it's very
09:18:23 important that are I read all of this because I would
09:18:25 never be able to remember and I am going to read to you
09:18:28 about Linda Saul-Sena.
09:18:29 As an elected official, Linda was involved in urban
09:18:32 planning, transportation, the art, protection of the
09:18:35 environment and sustainability, attending Tulane
09:18:38 university created her interest in historic
09:18:41 She served on the preservation round table, Public Art
09:18:43 Committee, Tourist Development Council, livable
09:18:46 roadways committee, which she founded, river round
09:18:49 table which she was involved in founding, the arts
09:18:52 council -- probably had something to do with that, I
09:18:56 don't know -- Tampa Bay estuary board, Tampa Theatre
09:18:59 board and as a council member Linda's public service
09:19:03 initiatives included the development, naming and plan
09:19:07 for the Channel District, plan for West Tampa,
09:19:10 development of the tree ordinance, the strategy and
09:19:12 support of the streetcar and light rail plan.
09:19:15 She also initiated a 12-year effort to underground
09:19:20 utility, the throughway for Sulphur Springs tower park,
09:19:24 the redevelopment with an overlay plan, and Florida
09:19:27 Department of Transportation improvements at Kennedy
09:19:29 Boulevard and the creation of the cafe ordinance.
09:19:31 Is that all?
09:19:32 Oh, wait.
09:19:33 Professionally, Linda wrote neighborhood plans, zoning
09:19:37 recommendations for the Tampa, Hillsborough County
09:19:39 Planning Commission from '75 to 1979, served as staff
09:19:44 for the came Raj multi cultural center and was the
09:19:47 program director for the national endowment of the
09:19:50 arts, architects and pools program in Philadelphia from
09:19:53 1980 to 1981.
09:19:56 That sounds something like you have got to get working
09:19:59 on for Tampa because we don't have that yet.
09:20:00 She served as the director for the Tampa community
09:20:02 design center from 1981 to 1982 and the marketing
09:20:06 director for the Tampa Museum of Art from 1982 to 1986.
09:20:11 Linda has received awards from the AIA, award of merit
09:20:16 for the city, black affairs, Florida chapter of the
09:20:21 American planning association for the elected official
09:20:23 awardee 2006, the greater Tampa Chamber of Commerce
09:20:27 cultural contributor.
09:20:29 Year, the AIA Bob Graham architectural awareness award
09:20:33 for 2007, member of leadership Florida classes 27, and
09:20:40 is the recipient of the Tampa Bay Sierra Club's
09:20:44 prestigious black fair award, the group's highest
09:20:48 Tampa native, Linda originated the Ybor City ghost
09:20:53 walk, to share her enthusiasm for local history.
09:20:56 Linda and her husband mark have two daughters.
09:21:01 Reading that, I realize that if you look at our very
09:21:05 long agenda today, there's very little on there that
09:21:08 Linda hasn't had a hand in.
09:21:11 And in the month or two that she had to resign, she's
09:21:17 been gone from her term, her elected term, we have
09:21:21 really missed her.
09:21:22 And it's really causing me to do a lot more work.
09:21:29 So Linda, thank you for everything.
09:21:31 We miss you.
09:21:32 And wish you the greatest luck in your next endeavor.
09:21:38 And Hillsborough County will be very, very, very lucky
09:21:41 to have you should you win your next election.
09:21:48 [ Applause ]
09:21:51 >> Linda Saul-Sena: Thank you.
09:21:57 I am so pleased to be here and I miss you all so much.
09:22:00 Serving on Tampa City Council for five 4-year terms,
09:22:04 four of them city-wide, was a tremendous opportunity to
09:22:07 serve the community.
09:22:09 And I feel like what we all do is a collaboration.
09:22:13 It's a creative collaboration between the public and
09:22:16 their needs and wants, the press to get the word out,
09:22:21 the administration, and particularly the people who
09:22:23 work in the city.
09:22:25 In every department this was always somebody you could
09:22:27 find who really was engaged and alive and worked super
09:22:33 And that was the person that you work with, and then
09:22:35 the neighborhood, and then you all, my colleagues on
09:22:38 Tampa City Council.
09:22:38 I miss each and he have one of you.
09:22:41 He have one of you serve because we all have different
09:22:44 passions and we bring that to our service, and it's so
09:22:48 much fun when we are able to accomplish good things for
09:22:50 our community.
09:22:52 As I look around, I can see the many things we have
09:22:54 been able to accomplish, and I see the many things that
09:22:57 are yet to do.
09:22:58 And there is one thing that I wanted to really share
09:23:01 with you today.
09:23:02 Years ago when I was on City Council, I wanted to
09:23:05 have -- I wanted to rename Buffalo Avenue in honor of
09:23:09 Dr. Martin Luther King, and I thought this was more
09:23:12 likely to happen politically if the city could do it
09:23:14 collaboratively with the county.
09:23:16 So in those days Jan Platt who have started on City
09:23:19 Council but then was on the county commission, and I
09:23:22 got together and said, let's have this joint meeting.
09:23:24 And the chairman of council at that time said, no, we
09:23:26 can't do that.
09:23:27 And I said, why?
09:23:28 He said, because Nevada we have never done that before.
09:23:32 Well, I say to you that is a ridiculous reason for not
09:23:34 doing anything.
09:23:35 And obviously we had the meeting.
09:23:37 We were successful.
09:23:38 The street was renamed.
09:23:40 And I think it is important to show that we are moving
09:23:44 As we move ahead with limited resources, and tremendous
09:23:48 challenges, and great opportunities in this beautiful
09:23:51 community that we all love, I say don't ever use the
09:23:54 reason we can't do that because we have never done it
09:23:58 before as any kind of an excuse.
09:23:59 We have to be creative and inspired and hard working
09:24:05 now more than ever, and I'm absolutely confident of
09:24:08 what we can accomplish.
09:24:10 So thank you for this recognition today.
09:24:12 I miss you all and I'm trying to get public access to
09:24:15 allow us to do a retrospective on every council member
09:24:19 when they leave council so that you all don't Vermont
09:24:21 to sit there and listen to 24 years of remembrances.
09:24:27 Thank you.
09:24:28 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you.
09:24:29 [ Applause ]
09:24:48 >> And I would like to have Rhonda smalls to come out
09:24:51 Rhonda and I have worked together for so many, so many
09:24:55 She has been a great assistant and actually a sister
09:24:59 and I would like her to be in this photograph if she
09:25:01 could come out real fast.
09:25:07 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Well, let me just say while you all
09:25:12 are taking pictures, certainly we want to again thank
09:25:17 you Councilwoman Saul-Sena and councilman Dingfelder
09:25:21 who is not here today -- we are still in session --
09:25:25 thank you today for again being here, and much success
09:25:31 on your future venture and endeavor.
09:25:34 You have served this community well.
09:25:39 That speaks to the fact that you served some 20-plus
09:25:42 years for City Council, and the approval, or should I
09:25:49 say the vote of the City of Tampa to return you to
09:25:55 Tampa City Council speaks well of your integrity,
09:25:58 speaks well of all the things you have accomplished in
09:26:00 this city, speaks well about you as a person.
09:26:03 So again thank you very much for your many years of
09:26:05 service on behalf of Tampa City Council, and all
09:26:08 340,000 resident of the City of Tampa.
09:26:12 Thank you for over 20 years of service to this city.
09:26:14 >>> Thank you, Chairman Scott.
09:26:19 Thank all of you.
09:26:20 [ Applause ]
09:26:24 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Any other comments by any other
09:26:26 council members?
09:26:26 Feel free at this time.
09:26:27 If not, we need to approve the minutes.
09:26:30 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: So moved.
09:26:33 >> Second.
09:26:35 >>THOMAS SCOTT: All in favor?
09:26:36 Now we will have a review of our agenda.
09:26:38 Before we do have that, councilman John Dingfelder who
09:26:42 was scheduled to be here today sent an e-mail memo and
09:26:47 requesting he be scheduled for October, because of a
09:26:51 conflict that he had for this morning.
09:26:53 So do we have to take that by motion?
09:26:57 >>MARTIN SHELBY: You can set it on the agenda as part
09:26:58 of the approval of the addendum, the date being
09:27:03 requested --
09:27:04 >>THOMAS SCOTT: October 14th is the date.
09:27:07 October 14th.
09:27:12 >>GWEN MILLER: Is that when we do commendations?
09:27:18 >>MARTIN SHELBY: October 14th is a workshop day.
09:27:20 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Okay.
09:27:24 In discussing it with my aid, I understand that was the
09:27:27 only date we could do it was October 14th.
09:27:31 That's what I was informed of.
09:27:35 Is there a motion to that effect?
09:27:37 >>MARY MULHERN: Are we just going to add it to the
09:27:39 agenda changes?
09:27:40 I'll move to schedule that for the 14th.
09:27:43 >> Second.
09:27:46 >>THOMAS SCOTT: All in favor?
09:27:48 We'll review the agenda at this time, Mr. Shelby.
09:27:50 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Before you, you have the addendum to
09:27:53 a very hefty agenda.
09:27:57 You have taken care of item 2 to October 14th.
09:28:01 Item 92 is to be removed from the agenda, making
09:28:07 changes relative to community gardens since the council
09:28:10 adopted a motion on August 12th, to include some
09:28:13 amendments in the next cycle.
09:28:15 Item 93 was a motion also on August 12th, deny that
09:28:22 code amendment on chapter 27, number 93.
09:28:25 So that is to be removed from the agenda.
09:28:27 Item 101 was also denied on August 12th, and therefore
09:28:31 item 101 was advertised for today would have to be
09:28:35 removed from the agenda.
09:28:37 Item 102 will have to be taken up at 9:30 when we get
09:28:43 to it to take it in order just so it will be to
09:28:47 September 23rd to be heard in conjunction with the
09:28:49 second reading and adoption of the ordinance.
09:28:51 Item 103, bringing to council's attention now that
09:28:58 there's been a motion -- excuse me, a memorandum that
09:29:02 has been received on that and there's a recommendation
09:29:06 to schedule a public hearing for October 14th that
09:29:08 will be taken up at that time.
09:29:10 Item 104 is a request from Brad Baird of the water
09:29:17 department regarding the outsourcing of some processes
09:29:24 to be rescheduled to October 7th of 2010.
09:29:28 So if that can be made part of the motion.
09:29:31 Item 118 is set for 1:30, and so is item 119 set for
09:29:39 We have to take it up at that time, but just to inform
09:29:41 the public in case there is any interest in coming to
09:29:45 council, there is an appeal hearing regarding the
09:29:49 petition of Nicole Ann DeBartolo relative to 5138 and
09:29:54 5140 west Longfellow Avenue.
09:29:58 The request is to have that appeal withdrawn.
09:30:00 So item 118 will not be heard.
09:30:03 Likewise, item 119 is a continued appeal hearing on a
09:30:08 decision of the ARC.
09:30:11 And that involved the historic property tax exemption.
09:30:16 That is also a request that that petition be withdrawn.
09:30:21 Council, there's been a request by Mr. Michelini on
09:30:26 item 63 -- 64?
09:30:31 Item 64.
09:30:32 And that is to set a hearing by council consent, and it
09:30:37 is presently scheduled an appeal of the VRB to October
09:30:42 7th of 2010 at 1:30 and I believe Mr. Michelini is
09:30:46 requesting that date be changed to another date.
09:30:50 A November date?
09:30:52 >>STEVE MICHELINI: We are respectfully requesting that
09:30:53 be heard in November and not in October.
09:30:55 >>MARTIN SHELBY: The opportunity would be to hear that
09:30:58 in the afternoon of November 4th at 1:30 in the
09:31:03 afternoon as a possibility, if that meets with
09:31:05 council's approval and the petitioner.
09:31:07 Does that meet with your approvals?
09:31:11 So the request then is number 64, madam clerk, to
09:31:15 change that date to November 4th, 2010 at 1:30 in
09:31:20 the afternoon.
09:31:22 Also, council, item 98 is a request to substitute the
09:31:31 legal description that is currently attached to the
09:31:35 ordinance, relative to the Seminole Heights area
09:31:39 rezoning, to replace the legal description of 85
09:31:43 pages -- excuse me, to replace 99 Pinellas with the
09:31:49 85-page substitution.
09:31:51 Last week, council -- and this is a reminder to the
09:31:54 public -- anything that is scheduled for staff reports
09:31:56 such as item number 108, anybody who wishes to talk to
09:32:01 anything relative to staff reports, those are not
09:32:03 public hearings, and --
09:32:06 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Mr. Shelby, 108, the city attorney may
09:32:09 want to speak, that item has been removed.
09:32:12 They requested it be removed from the agenda.
09:32:14 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Oh, that didn't make the agenda?
09:32:17 >>MARTIN SHELBY: That's why I want to raise a question
09:32:19 about that, Mr. Fletcher, because I got a call last
09:32:22 night about 7:00 that it had been removed and that's
09:32:24 the first I heard of it.
09:32:26 Do you want to kind of bring us up to speed what's
09:32:28 going on here?
09:32:29 >>CHARLES FLETCHER: Mr. Chairman, Chip Fletcher, city
09:32:33 Based on some of the comments and discussions from
09:32:37 council the last time this came up, I have been
09:32:39 expecting additional documentation from the property
09:32:43 owner on this issue.
09:32:44 I have not received that at this point.
09:32:46 I'm not sure when I am going to receive that.
09:32:48 So at this point I thought the prudent action was to
09:32:51 withdraw it rather than to continue it.
09:32:55 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Okay.
09:32:55 Thank you.
09:32:55 >>MARTIN SHELBY: On the basis of that, then the
09:32:59 request from the legal department is to have that item
09:33:02 removed from the agenda rather than a continuance.
09:33:04 >>THOMAS SCOTT: The item on 108.
09:33:10 >>MARTIN SHELBY: So the public knows about that, it
09:33:12 was discussion of the of the Kress properties, Kress
09:33:22 square and the like regarding the memo of
09:33:25 That headquarter said, Mr. Chairman, I believe that
09:33:26 is -- that is the addendum.
09:33:34 And I submit this agenda for council's approval.
09:33:38 >>THOMAS SCOTT: We'll receive a motion and second in a
09:33:41 On 108 when it comes back I would suggest that all the
09:33:44 council go back and get the minutes from the meeting
09:33:47 when that was voted upon.
09:33:48 It's my understanding that council vote for that to be
09:33:52 a historical building but it was rescinded.
09:33:54 So I think the minutes would really help us a lot from
09:33:57 that meeting because all of us are relatively new other
09:34:01 than Councilwoman Miller so that we can gather the
09:34:04 intent of at that time of what happened.
09:34:07 I just discovered that in conversation with our
09:34:11 attorney yesterday.
09:34:12 So I think it will be helpful if this should come back
09:34:17 that we have the minutes from the discussion of that
09:34:18 meeting, where we vote upon, and that kind of gives us
09:34:22 a little more information.
09:34:26 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I want to ask the legal department,
09:34:27 in reading some of these document, there was a motion
09:34:30 by council member that that be half a million dollars
09:34:38 that the developer pay to the city, something to my
09:34:41 knowledge has never been done before or may be done
09:34:43 once or twice.
09:34:44 I think that's a sticking points in the negotiations
09:34:47 and I think that's a legal point that Mr. Fletcher is
09:34:49 going to have to address sooner or later either here or
09:34:53 in a court of law.
09:34:54 >>CHARLES FLETCHER: Would you like me to speak to
09:34:57 At the time the plan development was approved, as you
09:34:59 all will recall there was a plan development and then
09:35:02 subsequent action by the historic preservation
09:35:05 There was a handwritten additional note on the plan
09:35:09 that an additional 500,000 be paid for transportation
09:35:14 Our office reviewed that.
09:35:17 There was no rational basis or ordinance basis for that
09:35:20 additional note, and we have already provided in
09:35:22 writing to the property owner a statement that the city
09:35:25 will not be seeking to enforce that condition.
09:35:29 That was outside the scope of what council had the
09:35:32 authority to require as part of that approval.
09:35:33 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Councilwoman Mulhern.
09:35:41 >>MARY MULHERN: Thank you.
09:35:41 I appreciate councilman Miranda bringing up that point
09:35:44 because were we to have heard this today and discussed
09:35:48 it, that was really a red herring because our city
09:35:53 attorney had already dispose of that requirement.
09:35:56 So it shouldn't have even been considered with anything
09:36:01 to do with historic preservation designation.
09:36:07 I just have to say that, in case anyone thinks that
09:36:11 people on council don't work for our money, I am going
09:36:15 to show you all of the backup I had for today's
09:36:20 And between the two appeal hearings and this item,
09:36:24 which were removed from the agenda, I had to spend
09:36:27 about 20 hours just this week on research and
09:36:30 discussion and reading.
09:36:33 And I'm not sure why -- I got the e-mail canceling --
09:36:39 or asking to withdraw item 108 at 5:02 last night,
09:36:44 which, you know, I normally stay online, but I don't
09:36:49 know that everyone else does, or should be expected to
09:36:53 do that.
09:36:54 But considering that it's a huge contingent of Tampa's
09:36:59 community was going to be here this morning, that late
09:37:02 removal, I think, is disrespectful of the citizens, the
09:37:07 history of Tampa, and City Council.
09:37:10 And as far as the two appeal hearings go, I spent about
09:37:15 four hours watching the ARC and the Historic
09:37:20 Preservation Commission tape of that, and I just would
09:37:27 appreciate in the future if our legal department would
09:37:30 work with the petitioners to not put us in this
09:37:35 There are a lot of important decisions that we have to
09:37:38 make, especially on an agenda with more than 100 items.
09:37:44 We shouldn't find out after the close of the working
09:37:47 day before every two weeks regular council meeting, the
09:37:53 things that we spent a lot of time in the public.
09:37:56 I mean, our constituents have spent much, much, much
09:37:59 time on a lot of these issues.
09:38:01 And I would like to see a little more respect given to
09:38:06 the constituents, and to council.
09:38:08 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Okay, Mr. Fletcher, one thing, I guess
09:38:15 I need to raise a question, in that -- we haven't
09:38:19 approved the agenda yet either -- in that the item 108,
09:38:25 the $500,000 was placed as a part of the memo of
09:38:30 understanding, it is my understanding --
09:38:34 >>CHARLES FLETCHER: Let me clarify that.
09:38:35 It's not referenced in any of the documentation I will
09:38:39 provide to you.
09:38:40 That's a separate item, I'm not sure how it came to
09:38:43 council's attention, because council doesn't need to
09:38:45 act on that.
09:38:46 >>THOMAS SCOTT: So it was not part of the memorandum
09:38:48 of understanding?
09:38:51 >>CHARLES FLETCHER: That's correct.
09:38:51 >>THOMAS SCOTT: So how did it --
09:38:56 >>CHARLES FLETCHER: I'm not sure how it came into part
09:38:58 of this discussion.
09:38:59 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Well, we have a problem, because I
09:39:08 have memorandums from the fact there was $500 that you
09:39:13 attached and associate associated with that, and you
09:39:16 cannot find anything in your documentation relative to
09:39:19 >>CHARLES FLETCHER: No, I'm sorry, Mr. Chairman, the
09:39:22 Kress approval process got very complicated.
09:39:24 There was a planned development in 2005.
09:39:27 There was a note, handwritten note placed on that plan.
09:39:32 And the way our approvals work all the requirements on
09:39:34 the projects are included in the plans.
09:39:37 That handwritten note was the additional $500,000.
09:39:43 That was the part that was done in 2005.
09:39:46 The settlement agreement and the request to terminate
09:39:51 that was just related to the facades of the buildings.
09:39:58 As the property owner went through what I viewed as
09:40:01 their due diligence process, one of the requests we got
09:40:04 was an opinion on that $500,000 that was back in April.
09:40:08 We provided that, and from my view that was resolved.
09:40:14 There were two relevant cases on point on that issue.
09:40:18 And in my view that issue is resolved.
09:40:21 The separate issue is the request of the property owner
09:40:23 to remove or terminate the facades settlement
09:40:29 agreements, and that's what's before you today before
09:40:31 it was withdrawn.
09:40:33 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Okay.
09:40:33 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I'll discuss this with Mr. Fletcher
09:40:38 privately, but I guess my concern would be about that
09:40:40 $500,000 note being placed on the site plan, and
09:40:44 whether procedurally that being placed on the site plan
09:40:47 by council, how it comes to be removed, whether that's
09:40:50 the purview of the administration or the purview of
09:40:53 City Council to be able to correct that.
09:40:54 I don't disagree with your conclusion, but we'll talk
09:40:58 about that.
09:40:58 I just want to be straight.
09:41:00 >> I'm trying not to make a big issue.
09:41:02 It was done at the time over the objection of the legal
09:41:05 So there are certain constraints within which we can
09:41:08 And in terms of being outside those constraints.
09:41:13 >>THOMAS SCOTT: In other words, council was advised by
09:41:15 legal not to place that in there, and it got put in
09:41:19 there any way.
09:41:20 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'm sure there's tapes of that
09:41:24 There's records of that thing in the clerk's office.
09:41:29 I think we are beating this horse to death.
09:41:32 You can find that out real quickly by playing the
09:41:36 I know but I am not going to tell you.
09:41:38 I want to leave you in suspense.
09:41:39 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Councilwoman Capin?
09:41:44 Okay, a motion to approve the agenda, the changes.
09:41:47 >> So moved.
09:41:49 >> Second.
09:41:49 >>GWEN MILLER: All in favor?
09:41:52 Thank you very much.
09:41:54 At this time we'll take public comment.
09:41:55 We have set aside 30 minutes to hear from the public.
09:41:59 We will take items first on the agenda.
09:42:04 If you want to speak first to items on the agenda,
09:42:07 state your name and address and what item you are
09:42:09 speaking to on the agenda, whatever time remaining.
09:42:12 Then you may speak to any other items.
09:42:14 >> Ellen brown.
09:42:17 I want to speak on agenda number 109.
09:42:20 And that's relative to the changing of the metered
09:42:27 parking to multiple meters.
09:42:31 My husband and I own the book company located at 507
09:42:35 North Tampa Street.
09:42:37 For 15 years we had a retail book store there and we
09:42:46 are very aware of the need for improving the parking
09:42:48 situation in downtown Tampa.
09:42:50 And throughout the city.
09:42:51 And I strongly support the change to the multiple sites
09:42:57 meter whereby people will not have to panic because
09:43:01 they don't have quarters in their pocket, they won't
09:43:04 feel harassed by the meter maids or meter men that
09:43:08 catch them one minute before their meter runs out.
09:43:11 Certainly it is a very modern, contemporary and
09:43:15 important improvement to the parking situation in
09:43:17 downtown Tampa.
09:43:19 The only other thing I have to say is when we were on a
09:43:21 vacation in France, in a small medieval town, five
09:43:28 years ago they had that system and it was very
09:43:31 welcoming to visitors, to tourists and people who live
09:43:35 there to be able to have the ability to use a charge
09:43:37 card and know what we are doing in downtown.
09:43:40 I urge you to support that change.
09:43:42 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you very much.
09:43:42 Next speaker.
09:43:44 Next speaker.
09:43:46 Anybody else?
09:43:46 >> Good morning.
09:43:52 I'm Christine Burdick with the Tampa downtown
09:43:55 I would like to reiterate Ellen's support for the
09:43:58 multi-space meters.
09:44:00 This is something that's been researched for about five
09:44:02 years, and as you heard by the merchants and people who
09:44:08 open new restaurants and new retail stores, and it will
09:44:11 really put a level of convenience in downtown that we
09:44:14 haven't even joyed so far.
09:44:17 It's something that is a newer technology.
09:44:21 We are growing.
09:44:22 And we hope that you can understand it better today,
09:44:26 and support it.
09:44:27 Thank you.
09:44:28 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you very much.
09:44:28 Next speaker.
09:44:29 >> Rebecca Johns, McFarland Ferguson, here regarding
09:44:40 agenda item 103 which is rezoning 09-21.
09:44:45 I represent Jim and a Natalie gad win who live at 3306
09:44:48 west Lykes Avenue.
09:44:49 They are adjacent to the property, the subject of the
09:44:54 They ask that you reject the special magistrate's
09:44:57 recommendation that your decision unfairly or
09:45:00 unreasonably burdens the petitioners' property and they
09:45:04 also ask that you reject the special magistrate's
09:45:06 recommendation that you hear the proposal for your
09:45:12 revised site plan.
09:45:14 The Goodwins believe your decision was based on
09:45:17 competent evidence.
09:45:18 The neighbors demonstrated the character of the
09:45:20 neighborhood and the lack of comparable zoning at the
09:45:23 The neighbors also demonstrated the intent of the city
09:45:27 to preserve that neighborhood including the existing
09:45:31 Council went through an exhaustive analysis of the PD
09:45:34 requirements and section 27-321 of the code, and
09:45:37 council rejected the PD.
09:45:40 The Goodwins feel that council received and considered
09:45:43 substantial competent evidence in reaching the decision
09:45:46 to deny the rezoning.
09:45:48 They also object to the modified site plan because the
09:45:50 same objection to the original site plans will apply to
09:45:54 the modified site plan.
09:45:56 It will still require a rezoning that is consistent
09:46:02 with the neighborhood.
09:46:05 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I know you are a competent attorney,
09:46:09 very well written throughout the company, and I have a
09:46:16 responsibility to over 300,000 people in the City of
09:46:18 If we were to reject this and get sued, which more than
09:46:22 likely we will, will you and your client be amenable to
09:46:26 taking over the debt that we may incur if it goes to
09:46:32 >>> Remember I only represent one property owner.
09:46:37 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I understand.
09:46:37 And I have nothing against the property owner.
09:46:40 I'm just trying to relieve the taxpayers of an undue
09:46:43 burden possibly.
09:46:44 >>> If there is a city policy that requires opponents
09:46:49 of a rezoning to compensate the city, then of course
09:46:51 the property owner would do that.
09:46:54 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: There is not that I know of but you
09:46:56 gave me a great idea.
09:46:58 [ Laughter ]
09:46:59 >>> And when that comes up please do not use my name.
09:47:04 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I got the drift.
09:47:05 Thank you very much.
09:47:06 [ Laughter ]
09:47:07 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Next speaker.
09:47:08 >>> My name is Kalyn Brand, 3309 West Lakes Avenue,
09:47:12 agenda item number 103.
09:47:15 Rezoning request V 09-21.
09:47:19 It's about my fifth time here and I'm still nervous.
09:47:23 We are trying to save time.
09:47:24 There are representatives, other neighbors are all here
09:47:26 as well.
09:47:27 And I think we have been over this exhaustively.
09:47:32 The neighbors to your point, councilman Miranda, we did
09:47:36 hire a land use expert who prepared quite a lengthy
09:47:41 report that shows that your decision, your unanimous
09:47:44 decision, by the way, in January, did not burden the
09:47:47 property owner.
09:47:51 That was not taken into consideration at all by the
09:47:54 special magistrate, nor was any of the neighborhood's
09:47:59 I know you all are aware that we had a petition
09:48:02 initially in January signed by 380 or 90 neighbors with
09:48:06 40 people at that first meeting.
09:48:08 My file is about that thick on this issue, too.
09:48:12 And we totally oppose the PD zoning.
09:48:15 There's nothing in the neighborhood that's been built
09:48:17 in 42 years on the lot less than 100 feet.
09:48:22 As a matter of fact, the trend in our neighborhood is
09:48:24 to acquire adjacent lots and further improve the
09:48:28 property for a single-family home.
09:48:30 So we reject -- we wish you would reject the PD and the
09:48:36 modified site plan.
09:48:38 Thank you.
09:48:38 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you.
09:48:43 >> Bob McDonaugh, economic development department.
09:48:47 I'm here to speak about item 109 on behalf of downtown
09:48:50 merchants businesses, attractions and council visitors.
09:48:54 I was on the committee that chose the technology that's
09:48:56 for your consideration today.
09:48:58 And the reason that it was chosen was ease of use,
09:49:03 Anyone can use it without a further obligation.
09:49:05 The council visitor to downtown will not have to go
09:49:09 through a lengthy process to establish a credit
09:49:13 application to get through this technology.
09:49:17 It's proven technology, and it offers a very good
09:49:20 return on investment.
09:49:21 You know, we have a lot of people that are hesitant to
09:49:24 visit our downtown because perhaps sometime in the past
09:49:27 we have gotten a parking ticket.
09:49:29 And what we tried to do is make our downtown more user
09:49:32 friendly and we feel this is a technology that can help
09:49:35 us do that.
09:49:36 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you.
09:49:41 I am certainly not opposed to technology.
09:49:42 But I read that, if my memory serves me correct, we
09:49:47 have revenues coming in under the old system of 1.2
09:49:51 million a year.
09:49:52 Am I correct?
09:49:53 >>> The parking division will be here a little bit
09:49:55 later on 109.
09:49:58 The industry standard is somewhat of an increase
09:50:01 between 30 and 40%.
09:50:03 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I can tell you the industry increase
09:50:05 on that item is about 1.5 some million, between that
09:50:08 difference is about $300,000 a year.
09:50:12 The maintenance agreement along with the other
09:50:14 contracts equal $205,000 a year.
09:50:20 On the other side you have a higher maintenance fee.
09:50:22 I know you are having problems in creating and finding
09:50:28 park for your existing operation that you have.
09:50:30 >>> Yes, sir.
09:50:31 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: But I don't know what the council is
09:50:32 going to do.
09:50:33 I would like to see a test before I spend -- in other
09:50:37 words, I'm a real tightwad.
09:50:39 I don't like to spend 2.-something million dollars for
09:50:44 something that may or may not work or are be the best
09:50:47 thing for this area.
09:50:48 I would like to be see a small 150-meter operational
09:50:50 for six months and find out how it works before I
09:50:53 change the whole city.
09:50:54 St. Pete did that years ago and guess what, they sold
09:50:56 the meters back, maybe not this company, but they sold
09:50:59 the meters back a dime on the dollar, something like
09:51:02 And I'm not going to risk something like that unless
09:51:06 it's proven to me that it works.
09:51:10 But I'm not discussing it.
09:51:12 Whoever is listening, that's coming up, is prepared to
09:51:15 That's what I'm doing.
09:51:17 >>THOMAS SCOTT: And let me just say to council, we can
09:51:20 hold our comments until we come to that item.
09:51:24 It will help us expedite and move through the public
09:51:26 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: I will withhold my comments.
09:51:32 Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
09:51:32 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Next speaker.
09:51:35 Anyone that wants to speak on agenda items may come
09:51:38 If you are going to speak on an agenda item, please
09:51:40 come forward at this time.
09:51:41 >> Robert Schmitt, 4340 west Hillsborough Avenue,
09:51:53 I want to speak about item number 90 on the agenda.
09:51:59 I have several points I would like to cover.
09:52:01 First of all --
09:52:02 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I'm sorry, sir, is that a public
09:52:06 You can speak to that item when it comes up.
09:52:08 That's open for public hearing.
09:52:10 When the public hearing comes up.
09:52:11 >>> Okay.
09:52:15 Thank you.
09:52:15 >>THOMAS SCOTT: All public hearing items you can speak
09:52:17 on at that time when they come up.
09:52:19 Anyone else on agenda items?
09:52:30 Nonagendaed items?
09:52:40 >> My name is Ronald hall.
09:52:42 I'm an owner and resident at the towers of Channelside,
09:52:46 1211 east Cumberland, unit 2304.
09:52:50 I have some documents for the council.
09:53:02 This morning I would like to read a letter written by a
09:53:06 resident of tower 2 who is out of state at this time.
09:53:10 The letter is addressed to Mr. Jack Slocum, and was
09:53:14 forwarded to Mr. Slocum on August 18th.
09:53:18 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Are you speaking on item 104?
09:53:22 Which item are you speaking to?
09:53:24 Oh, non-agendaed item.
09:53:25 Okay, go ahead.
09:53:26 >> Again, this is a letter that was sent by e-mail
09:53:32 along with comments by many of the owners at the towers
09:53:36 of Channelside.
09:53:44 Part of this was a desire for modification, the special
09:53:49 use permit, applicable to the alcohol use at
09:53:52 223-12th street in the Channel District, which was
09:53:56 approved back in July of 2009.
09:54:00 Again, this letter is addressed to Mr. Jack Slocum who
09:54:04 is the president of Slocum investment group,
09:54:07 Dear sir: I am personally offended that the residents
09:54:10 of the towers of Channelside have to deal with another
09:54:13 bar/nightclub that will be ever so close to our homes.
09:54:18 I really dislike the drunkenness and the littering
09:54:23 cause these establishments draw to Channelside.
09:54:25 I readily admit that I can usually avoid most of this
09:54:27 by simply staying home and not venturing out when the
09:54:30 night clubs are operating.
09:54:32 However, the unreasonable and unrelenting noise that
09:54:35 these establishments generate is another matter.
09:54:38 There is no way to escape from the loud music, people
09:54:42 screaming and the absurd traffic noise these night
09:54:45 clubs generate until 3 a.m. or later in the morning.
09:54:50 Of all the unpleasant and undesirable aspects of
09:54:54 another nightclub/bar, the noise is the number one
09:54:59 We are absolutely against any outside speakers, outside
09:55:03 music, or doors left intentionally or unintentionally
09:55:07 open to let the music out.
09:55:09 We sincerely hope and request that the owners of this
09:55:13 new establishment respect the wishes and the rights of
09:55:15 the residents at the towers of Channelside.
09:55:20 We pay our taxes and desire a peaceful environment
09:55:24 especially in the evening and late at night.
09:55:27 Thank you for your willingness to meet with the
09:55:30 residents of Channelside.
09:55:31 Sincerely, Paul Thomas Haddock, towers of Channelside,
09:55:35 tower 2.
09:55:36 And this is in response to a meeting that we had with
09:55:39 Mr. Slocum a few weeks earlier.
09:55:43 Council members, as you are aware, we, the majority
09:55:47 owners at the towers of Channelside, are just now able
09:55:50 to make known our thoughts and opinions to you
09:55:53 regarding this matter since the original petitioner
09:55:56 failed to provide proper notification as required by
09:56:01 We want you to know that as of today we have not had
09:56:03 any response from Mr. Slocum and want the simultaneous
09:56:12 action to take place.
09:56:13 We thank City Council for working with us on this
09:56:15 questionable special use permit.
09:56:18 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you.
09:56:18 Next speaker.
09:56:18 >> My name is rod Frank, I too am a resident of the
09:56:27 towers of Channelside, 445 south 12th Street, unit 6 in
09:56:31 tower 2.
09:56:31 I have a copy of my report for council members.
09:56:36 I'll tray not to reiterate too much of what was just
09:56:41 But I do want to give you an update since we have
09:56:45 presented this matter to you in the past.
09:56:47 As you know, when the petition was made for this
09:56:50 property back in July of 2009, there was not proper
09:56:54 notice made to the residents within 250 feet of that
09:56:58 property, specifically tower 2 which is right across
09:57:00 the street.
09:57:02 No residents were notified of the proposal with regards
09:57:07 to that.
09:57:09 On the 15th of July we did meet with City Council,
09:57:14 and we spoke about the owner of Slocum investment
09:57:18 group, which is planning to put what was supposed to be
09:57:25 a res restaurant, now we found to be a nature club on
09:57:27 the property, and we have been working with the city
09:57:30 attorney in terms of investigating in court a
09:57:34 declaratory file as well, since this was not done
09:57:37 On the 3rd of August we met with Rocco Savage who
09:57:41 at the time was the vice-president and manager of
09:57:43 Slocum investments.
09:57:45 During that meeting the tower owners identified our
09:57:48 concerns with regards to the ordinance and not being
09:57:51 able to provide stipulations within the ordinance with
09:57:53 regards to noise or putting any kind of outdoor venue
09:57:57 that could create issues with the residents across the
09:58:01 Mr. Savage understood our concerns and stated that he
09:58:05 would go back to Mr. Savage with our request.
09:58:10 And on August 10th we found that Rocco Savage was
09:58:16 no longer working for Slocum investment group.
09:58:18 When that happened we contacted Mr. Slocum through the
09:58:21 contract contractor.
09:58:22 Mr. Slocum offered to meet with us.
09:58:25 And on August 14th met we've Mr. Slocum.
09:58:29 He was very clear and adamant that a repeat was not in
09:58:32 his interest and the owners then suggested that revised
09:58:37 ordinance 239-132.
09:58:40 Our primary concerns revolved around soundproofing so
09:58:45 that we would not have the noise specifically across
09:58:47 the street in tower 2, as well as the potential noise
09:58:50 that comes out when people going in and out of the
09:58:53 establishment itself.
09:58:55 No provisions in the ordinance to have an outside venue
09:58:58 or outside speakers creates an issue for us as well.
09:59:01 As many of you know, we fought this battle a year ago
09:59:05 with those on the other side of tower 2 when they were
09:59:07 having an outside venue on the second floor at
09:59:09 Channelside, shops at Channelside.
09:59:12 Fortunately with that, we got the media involved as
09:59:14 well and it was successful to close down that outside
09:59:20 Mr. Slocum requested that we provide to him our
09:59:22 concerns in a list, and we did that on August 18th.
09:59:26 We have had no reply from him to date.
09:59:28 Finally, at the request of the towers' owners, the
09:59:31 towers condominium association board met last night
09:59:35 with us and have authorized the association to seek to
09:59:39 intervene in the declaratory judgment action and to
09:59:45 assist in a court order to declare the prior special
09:59:48 use which had been approved null and void due to the
09:59:51 lack of required notice.
09:59:52 If Mr. Slocum does not agree to modify this ordinance
09:59:56 as we have requested.
09:59:56 (Bell sounds)
09:59:58 We remind City Council that our efforts --
10:00:01 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you, sir.
10:00:02 Time is up.
10:00:03 Next speaker.
10:00:03 >> Good morning, my name is Joanna Folkley, I live at
10:00:17 2118 west Carmine street, Tampa, Florida 33606.
10:00:22 First of all, I would like to congratulate Ms. Capin
10:00:28 and Mr. Stokes on your selection to the City Council.
10:00:33 I come this morning to request, to make a procedural
10:00:38 request and to ask in the future that the names of all
10:00:43 buildings to be impacted by council decisions be
10:00:46 included in the language of agenda item.
10:00:51 And I'm referencing agenda item number 108 which you
10:00:54 just pulled, because the public, and people who were
10:00:58 involved in the history of that building, like James
10:01:02 Hammond, had no idea that the Kress had reference to
10:01:08 the Woolworth building.
10:01:10 So if somehow we are going to see Woolworth and grant
10:01:13 have been there, they would have known that item number
10:01:15 60 on the agenda in July pertained to the Woolworth
10:01:21 And so we hope that in the future names will all be
10:01:26 included in that language.
10:01:27 And also to ask that when the agenda item is returned
10:01:31 that you would contact -- we have formed a committee
10:01:34 called the committee to protect the Woolworth building,
10:01:39 if representatives of that committee could be
10:01:41 contacted, and two of them, myself and Linda Saul-Sena
10:01:47 have agreed to be the ones contacted so we would have
10:01:49 known like last night that the meeting was canceled.
10:01:52 We did get the information.
10:01:54 We were able to call people.
10:01:56 But if we are notified when it back on the agenda, if
10:02:00 there are any changes, we would appreciate it.
10:02:01 Thank you very much.
10:02:03 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Yes, thank you.
10:02:08 Next speaker?
10:02:14 >> My name is pastor Frank R. Williams, Sr., 1112 east
10:02:22 Cass Street.
10:02:23 I got some questions I would like you to answer.
10:02:28 If you can't, then next week make sure you have an
10:02:31 answer public.
10:02:32 Why is it that the City Council can allow lawyers, real
10:02:37 estate investors, to go around and taking people's
10:02:41 property without giving them know?
10:02:51 Answer: Next week.
10:02:52 >>THOMAS SCOTT: We'll see if we can get staff to
10:02:55 >> Because they took my property and I didn't know it.
10:03:00 It was in foreclosure.
10:03:01 If you are going to take somebody's property, make sure
10:03:03 they get a notice, so if they can, they can go and bail
10:03:07 themselves out.
10:03:08 It's not right the way they are doing people.
10:03:10 A lot of people coming to me, oh, I lost my property
10:03:13 because of foreclosure.
10:03:14 That's not right.
10:03:16 You have to give them some notice.
10:03:19 And the next thing I want to talk about, you want to
10:03:26 put another tax on that?
10:03:30 That's ridiculous.
10:03:31 We are in recession.
10:03:32 We don't need that.
10:03:33 You got money already allocated, and why don't you all
10:03:40 start in, get some of that money allocated and let them
10:03:45 meet together.
10:03:47 That will put a lot of people to work.
10:03:48 But you got the money.
10:03:53 Obama gave you the money.
10:03:55 Over a billion dollars.
10:03:58 Jesus Christ.
10:03:59 I don't know.
10:04:02 You all are supposed to represent the people.
10:04:04 But don't look like nobody represent me, Frank
10:04:07 And Thomas, I told you, I got a church over there,
10:04:12 right there on Central Park, you all took my livelihood
10:04:15 away from me.
10:04:17 And then for no reason at all, and you all name it a
10:04:24 historical landmark.
10:04:26 And that's ridiculous.
10:04:32 And then the code enforcement over there, let me talk
10:04:41 to them.
10:04:41 And let me tell you another thing, Thomas, because I'm
10:04:46 I told you, you never called a meeting with me under
10:04:51 any circumstances.
10:04:52 But you can pass a law for homosexual right.
10:04:55 Do you understand what I'm saying?
10:04:56 And I'm a preacher.
10:04:58 You is a preacher.
10:04:59 If you aren't going to represent Jesus Christ you need
10:05:02 to step down.
10:05:03 I have a lot of on the things I could say but I am not
10:05:05 going to say it.
10:05:06 I put on my agenda.
10:05:08 And then I pass it out to the public.
10:05:11 And let me read something to you.
10:05:16 Frankly you are right in the name of Jesus Christ, the
10:05:19 United States government is anti-Christ, racist, they
10:05:21 hate Jews, they hate the president, Obama, they hate
10:05:26 the blacks, they hate the native Indians, they hate the
10:05:30 Americans, they hate Castro and the Cuban people.
10:05:32 Looks like they hate everybody except themselves, and
10:05:35 sometimes it looks like some of them hate themselves.
10:05:38 Anytime an atheist says they hate God that means they
10:05:44 hate everybody.
10:05:45 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Mr. Chairman, I am not going to
10:05:46 answer directly.
10:05:47 I am going to answer generically saying that the only
10:05:51 councilmen here, there are seven of us.
10:05:53 If you want to talk to the board you can.
10:05:54 But when somebody picks on one council member -- and
10:05:58 I'm not saying in this case so no one can answer me
10:06:01 again -- the mike is mine, not yourself.
10:06:04 >> But, sir --
10:06:06 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: No, sir.
10:06:06 I am not going to debate you. Let me also say this.
10:06:09 Element me also say this.
10:06:10 I don't know if you have a mortgage.
10:06:12 I don't care if you have a mortgage.
10:06:14 The City of Tampa doesn't own a mortgage.
10:06:16 City of Tampa doesn't do anything for your property.
10:06:18 I believe in property lights.
10:06:20 I believe you have the right to do what you want to do.
10:06:22 And I am not going to --
10:06:23 [Sounding gavel]
10:06:24 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I am not going to get involved in a
10:06:26 private matter.
10:06:27 Thank you very much.
10:06:27 >>THOMAS SCOTT: You are out of order.
10:06:32 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Don't care if you are white, black,
10:06:34 Hispanic, bald or long-haired.
10:06:40 I didn't mention any names.
10:06:41 I just spoke generically, I said, and my work got stuck
10:06:45 and came out half Spanish.
10:06:49 How do you like that?
10:06:50 [ Laughter ]
10:06:55 So I can play on both sides of the fence.
10:06:58 >>GWEN MILLER: Next speaker.
10:07:00 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Next expire.
10:07:01 Next speaker.
10:07:02 Anyone else?
10:07:15 No one else?
10:07:20 Mr. Shelby.
10:07:21 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Just a reminder to the public, that
10:07:27 council comments shall be directed to the body and not
10:07:31 to individual council members.
10:07:33 That is council's rules.
10:07:35 Which are available online.
10:07:37 Council members, I apologize to you, but I neglected
10:07:40 during the approval of the agenda, council member
10:07:41 Mulhern did send an e-mail yesterday requesting some
10:07:45 items be pulled from the agenda and I neglected to
10:07:47 bring that to your attention so I am going to ask with
10:07:50 my apologies that per her request, my understanding is
10:07:55 items 19, 20, 21 and 41 be removed from the agenda to
10:08:01 have staff appear to address those discussions.
10:08:05 And I apologize.
10:08:07 19, 20, 21 and 41.
10:08:11 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I can answer all those without
10:08:12 However, if I may, Mr. Chairman, you know, I would
10:08:17 rather play fair on both sides.
10:08:18 Nothing against council member Mulhern.
10:08:21 But if we are going to ask passionately, the public has
10:08:23 to do something within a certain time to come before
10:08:25 us, then there's a law written in the City Council
10:08:33 dictionary which is for something, I don't know what it
10:08:36 is, C-4, 3, 5, 2, 1?
10:08:41 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Are you asking for the specific --
10:08:43 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: What are the rules?
10:08:44 In other words, I think that has to be amended.
10:08:47 If I want to pull something, I can pull it.
10:08:50 Because that thing doesn't specifically have any
10:08:53 direction on how to do it.
10:08:55 Am I correct?
10:08:56 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Well, rule 7-C states the following:
10:08:59 An individual member of City Council wanting to remove
10:09:01 an item from the committee reports consent agenda
10:09:05 should attempt to do so more in advance of the meeting
10:09:10 a day or so more in advance of the meeting by
10:09:12 memorandum or e-mail stating whether the member of City
10:09:15 Council wishes staff to be present to discuss the item.
10:09:18 Again, Mr. Miranda, and members of council, these are
10:09:22 your rules, and they are going to be come back to you
10:09:24 for discussion.
10:09:25 There was some discussion when this was adopted.
10:09:27 The word should, it's not a "shall."
10:09:32 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: And should have a specific time.
10:09:33 And I am not discussing with Ms. Mulhern.
10:09:36 She has a right to do that under the set of rules that
10:09:38 we have.
10:09:39 But there is nothing specifically that says you must do
10:09:41 this, you must give a copy of the to the clerk's office
10:09:44 so that the public knows that we did something.
10:09:47 I can discuss these things without staff.
10:09:49 I read these things.
10:09:50 I read everybody's.
10:09:52 In fact I can tell you what they are without even
10:09:54 looking down at them.
10:09:55 I can tell you about 19, 20 and 21.
10:09:58 But I won't, just to ask for staff.
10:10:01 >>MARY MULHERN: I just want to say that I was able to
10:10:07 read some of the backup last night, but had to do
10:10:11 additional research even this morning and still don't
10:10:13 have the answers.
10:10:15 So the answers, I need to get the answers from staff
10:10:18 and was not able to get the answers by doing my own
10:10:22 So I know you are not speaking specifically at me, but
10:10:26 I think it's important that I point out that I am just