TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
Thursday, February 17, 2011
9:00 a.m. session
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00:30:25 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Tampa City Council will now come to
09:05:18 The chair will yield to the honorable Charlie Miranda.
09:05:21 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: It's my honor this morning to
09:05:22 present to you a gentleman that we all know very well.
09:05:24 He's going to say our prayer.
09:05:27 Reverend Tom Scott, chairman of Tampa City Council, and
09:05:31 my friend Tom Scott.
09:05:32 Mr. Scott.
09:05:33 Please rise and remain standing for the pledge of
09:05:36 >>THOMAS SCOTT: How wonderful it is to be blessed and
09:05:43 see a new day and we pause to say thank you for the
09:05:47 blessings upon us opening this day.
09:05:49 Thank you for our nation and our country.
09:05:51 Thank you for what she stands for.
09:05:53 We pray now you continue to bless our men and women who
09:05:56 are fighting for democracy around the world, and those
09:05:58 who protect us here at home.
09:06:00 I pray now for this City Council as we deliberate today
09:06:03 on issues that would affect our citizens here in Tampa.
09:06:06 We pray for wisdom.
09:06:07 We pray for knowledge and insight.
09:06:09 I pray today that you will bless us in a very special
09:06:12 way, with all that we accomplish for the betterment of
09:06:16 this city and for this community.
09:06:17 In your name we pray.
09:06:19 [ Pledge of Allegiance ]
09:06:40 Roll call.
09:06:41 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: Here.
09:06:44 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Present.
09:06:44 >>GWEN MILLER: Here.
09:06:46 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Here.
09:06:50 >>CURTIS STOKES: Present.
09:06:50 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Here.
09:06:52 Approval of the minute?
09:06:53 >>GWEN MILLER: So moved.
09:06:56 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Moved and seconded.
09:06:57 All in favor?
09:06:58 Opposes be? We will now have a presentation by the
09:07:00 honorable Gwen Miller to the KNOTTS family.
09:07:09 >>GWEN MILLER: Would the members of the Moses Knott
09:07:24 family please come forward.
09:07:40 It is my honor to give a commendation for this man.
09:07:43 If he wasn't here we asked, where is he?
09:07:45 Because he was like a picture or something.
09:07:49 He had a special seat where he sat.
09:07:51 And we will really miss him.
09:07:53 So in his honor, I would like to give a commendation to
09:07:56 his family and it reads:
09:07:59 A commendation presented to Moses Knott.
09:08:04 It is with great humbleness that we, Tampa City
09:08:09 Council, issue this commendation posthumously to Mr.
09:08:14 Moses Knott for his tireless effort in community
09:08:17 Tampa City Council remains ever cognizant of his
09:08:23 remarkable life in the community that Mr. Moses Knott
09:08:27 concerned himself on a daily basis.
09:08:29 The matters, problems and issues of his immediate
09:08:32 community, coupled with those of other communities
09:08:34 throughout the City of Tampa, were very important to
09:08:38 Mr. Knott, and because of his unshakeable determination
09:08:43 many communities and the lives of those whose lives
09:08:46 were made better, for those and many more reasons that
09:08:49 space would not allow to be covered, we the Tampa City
09:08:52 Council salute Mr. Moses Knott.
09:08:56 May the family and friends of Moses Knott be secured in
09:09:01 the knowledge that his life of community service was
09:09:03 well documented each Thursday here in City Council
09:09:06 chambers during the council sessions, and that he was a
09:09:09 pest example for all to follow who are interested in
09:09:13 being a voice of the voiceless.
09:09:15 It's signed by all the members of City Council.
09:09:18 >> Thank you.
09:09:38 My name is Patricia KNOTTS of Georgia, born and raised
09:09:46 here in Tampa City Council, and in honor of my mother,
09:09:50 family and friends who are here with us this evening, I
09:09:52 would like to begin especially in memory of my father
09:09:54 by saying that we thank God for his grace and mercy.
09:09:59 >> Amen.
09:10:01 >> And even though we are still, you know, going
09:10:05 through the grieving process and all, worry here today
09:10:08 because this was so important for us to be able to
09:10:11 receive this on his behalf.
09:10:12 He's not here to speak for himself but his voice will
09:10:14 carry on through all of us, through all of you, and
09:10:18 through the citizens here Tampa, Florida.
09:10:21 On behalf of all of us, we just want to say thank you
09:10:24 all so much for your time.
09:10:25 It wonderful to have this distinguished award.
09:10:28 Thank you.
09:10:30 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you.
09:10:30 [ Applause ]
09:10:35 >> Excuse me.
09:10:36 I have a terrible voice today.
09:10:37 Mows forgive me please forgive me.
09:10:42 I would like to thank you all for this recognition to
09:10:45 recognize Moses Knott, my former husband.
09:10:49 I'm proud to say that he worked hard to get a job and
09:10:56 I'm thankful to you all for him and he was helping the
09:11:05 community to do the same and I'm so thankful that God
09:11:08 blessed him to be here the many years that he was here.
09:11:14 And I'm happy to say that we have a beautiful Pa
09:11:20 family, and he took on more family as he matured in
09:11:27 life and grow.
09:11:30 And he was just happy for him to be happy.
09:11:33 And I'm happy that my kids are all beautiful children
09:11:39 and they loved him.
09:11:40 And I'm happy touch say even though we were divorced we
09:11:48 did remain friends because he needed to be with his
09:11:51 family occasionally.
09:11:53 So we made it known that we were good friends, the best
09:11:59 of friends.
09:12:01 We were better friends now than we were before we had
09:12:07 [ Laughter ]
09:12:09 So, you see, friendship can come off some things and
09:12:13 make it great.
09:12:14 So I'm proud to say thank you all for a job well done,
09:12:19 and thank you all for sponsoring my family and husband,
09:12:30 and thank you.
09:12:38 We love you all.
09:12:39 Thank you.
09:12:41 [ Applause ]
09:12:42 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank all of you all for being here
09:12:49 today, and we have a lot of reasons to be proud of your
09:12:54 father and late husband, and so we are going to miss
09:12:58 him each Thursday in being here, and always opening up
09:13:03 where he said thank God for his grace and mercy, and he
09:13:06 lives three days a week at Ellicott.
09:13:15 But he spoke up for East Tampa and for the poor,
09:13:18 God bless all of you.
09:13:20 And he has a beautiful family.
09:13:21 Thank you all very much.
09:13:25 Councilwoman Mulhern.
09:13:27 >>MARY MULHERN: I just wanted to say how much we miss
09:13:31 I guess when he was sick, we hadn't seen him in weeks
09:13:35 and I kept wondering where he was, because he kept us
09:13:38 on track, and he blessed us, and he warned us to be
09:13:46 good, and he did.
09:13:49 He stood up for the poor people, as he said.
09:13:54 "what about the poor people?"
09:13:56 That's what he always says.
09:13:58 And a really important reminder to all of us, and we
09:14:02 really do miss him.
09:14:03 He was just such a positive, funny, he --
09:14:09 >> Sense of humor.
09:14:11 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Yes.
09:14:12 >>MARY MULHERN: So we miss him.
09:14:15 And I think he's residing in heaven seven days a week
09:14:18 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you all.
09:14:31 We'll review our agenda at this time.
09:14:32 >>MARTIN SHELBY: In front of you, you have the
09:14:34 addendum to today's agenda.
09:14:37 Some minor changes that have come in since the addendum
09:14:39 was prepared.
09:14:41 Starting with item 40, council, that is an abandonment
09:14:47 of a claim by the city of rights regarding 120 West
09:14:52 Hyde Park place, and you may recall that that is the
09:14:56 subject of an item that is going to be coming back to
09:14:59 City Council next week because it was heard last
09:15:02 Thursday night.
09:15:04 The request, council, is that this item 40 be continued
09:15:07 to March 3rd at 9:30 a.m. to run with the second
09:15:11 reading of that rezoning.
09:15:16 Item 46 is an impact of an agreement.
09:15:30 The request is to not do the substitution today but
09:15:33 take both item 46 and item 61 that is related to it and
09:15:39 continue both of them together to March 24th
09:15:43 regular meeting under unfinished business.
09:15:49 Item 49 is a change that the resolution be substituted
09:15:54 to change the date of the resolution setting the public
09:15:56 hearing to April 7th, 2011, at 10:30 a.m.
09:16:04 Finally, item 66 is file V-1139.
09:16:12 That cannot be heard.
09:16:15 Item number 66, that cannot be heard as no affidavit
09:16:18 was filed.
09:16:19 That has been administratively rescheduled to March
09:16:22 17th, 2011 at 10:30 a.m. so that will be removed
09:16:26 from the agenda.
09:16:27 Council, I am reminded that the council is going to be
09:16:33 adjourning this morning at 11 a.m. to take care of some
09:16:36 business relative to the administration.
09:16:44 I believe you will be off-site.
09:16:46 Other than that, Chairman Scott, I understand you also
09:16:48 have a memorandum that you will be returning late.
09:16:50 I don't know whether you want me to put that into the
09:16:55 If so you can comment on that.
09:16:57 I am know it aware of any other changes to today's
09:16:59 agenda and I present it to you for your approval.
09:17:01 >>GWEN MILLER: So moved.
09:17:03 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Second.
09:17:04 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Moved and seconded.
09:17:05 All in favor?
09:17:08 We will take public comment at this time.
09:17:10 Does -- anyone that wishes to come forward may state
09:17:15 your name and address for the record.
09:17:17 You have three minutes.
09:17:18 You can speak to any item except for the public hearing
09:17:21 >> Al Steenson, 4100 west Leila Avenue, Tampa, Florida.
09:17:29 This morning representing the Gandy Sun Bay South Civic
09:17:36 As you recall, two weeks ago I was here and
09:17:42 requested -- well, first of all, I reported that there
09:17:45 was no traffic impact on Lois Avenue, but there is an
09:17:50 impact in one form, the fact that it's pedestrian
09:17:54 impact, because they are walking on the road and not on
09:17:56 the sidewalk and requested a sidewalk.
09:17:59 I was not able to be here for plaintiff Daignault's
09:18:04 response to that, but I did catch part of it on TV and
09:18:08 part of it on the -- I went back over the transcript,
09:18:11 and at one point he was questioned about the
09:18:17 transportation impact fee, and his comment was these
09:18:20 can only be used for the expansion of a road system, so
09:18:23 they are very specific on their use.
09:18:26 Now, Ms. Caldwell was kind enough to send to me via
09:18:33 e-mail chapter 25-72, use of funds, and at some point
09:18:38 in here it refers to Florida statute 334.03, and it
09:18:42 references paragraphs 13 and 18.
09:18:46 Well, I went to the statute, and I read into it and I
09:18:50 went a little bit further than 18.
09:18:52 I went down to section 23 where it says road means a
09:18:58 right-of-way open to travel by public including but not
09:19:02 limited to a street, highway or alley.
09:19:05 The term also includes associated sidewalks.
09:19:13 Roadbed right-of-way, all drainage ditches, water
09:19:17 storage, et cetera, et cetera.
09:19:18 I submit to you that this road, this right-of-way, is
09:19:23 impacted because of the lack of the sidewalk completed
09:19:29 from the WalMart property south to Pearl.
09:19:36 And unfortunately I am not able to stay till that item,
09:19:47 and they pay the city $487,000 and nowhere in here have
09:19:52 I seen any wording that says impact fees cannot be used
09:19:55 for sidewalks.
09:19:56 Thank you very much.
09:19:56 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you, sir.
09:20:03 Next speaker.
09:20:16 I come to you this morning in the tribute to Moses
09:20:24 I wanted to talk about Knott salvaging and hauling.
09:20:29 We came together I think in 1975, 76, and I just wanted
09:20:32 to let you know what we sponsored our softball team for
09:20:38 over 25 years, I believe, and that was one of his many
09:20:42 attributes to be show love to the community and it
09:20:44 reads a tribute to be Mr. Moses KNOTTS, and it says Mr.
09:20:49 Knott followed his own way and to be a blessing to the
09:20:55 city of Tampa one day.
09:20:56 He sat down and gathered his thought.
09:20:59 They agreed on softball.
09:21:01 They needed the best of the best because the
09:21:06 competition was at the very least at Greco complex.
09:21:09 He recruited players who had a lot of heart and who
09:21:12 high pressure a vision to come to the top of the
09:21:15 softball chart.
09:21:16 Knott salvage and hauling had the perfect ring.
09:21:20 They both said, now we have a team.
09:21:23 It took money, patience and a total love of the sport.
09:21:28 We practiced every day.
09:21:29 No excuses, they said, and we won't come up short.
09:21:32 We were mentally sound and equally talented, some not
09:21:36 quite of legal age.
09:21:37 We had our parents sign permission slips, and at that
09:21:41 moment we created a brand new page.
09:21:43 We took Tampa by surprise, yes, to the top we did rise,
09:21:48 and yes we had our fair shares of ups and downs, but
09:21:51 all in all and through it all the name KNOTTS salvage
09:21:57 and hauling would be around.
09:21:59 We traveled the United States, we traveled abroad, we
09:22:02 returned as top division and state team with the good
09:22:05 help of the Lord.
09:22:06 The bills were always paid, lodging and all our
09:22:10 expenses, too.
09:22:14 It will the memories will remain to us so his name is
09:22:17 also due.
09:22:18 We needed absolutely nothing. Mr. Knott, he tried to
09:22:20 provide it all.
09:22:24 He gave us love, support, confidence, yes, even tears,
09:22:27 and did for us year after year after year after year.
09:22:31 So, you see, that's what a man who loved the Lord and
09:22:35 softball would do.
09:22:36 Mr. Knott, your family and your softball team dedicate
09:22:41 this tribute and this special day to you.
09:22:43 Knotts Salvage and Hauling women's softball team,
09:22:45 author Jesus Christ, women's co-author Beverly Grant.
09:22:49 Thank you very much.
09:22:51 [ Applause ]
09:22:52 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you very much.
09:22:53 That's very nice.
09:22:55 Next speaker.
09:22:56 >> Good morning, council.
09:23:02 My name is Tanya Wideman.
09:23:06 I reside at 3706 West Oklahoma Avenue.
09:23:09 I guess I'm going to sound like Mr. Moses.
09:23:16 You all need to treat the black folks and the white
09:23:20 folks the same.
09:23:22 I'm here on an article from the TBT and the Tribune.
09:23:27 Now, Michael and Bob O'Malley of Tampa Palms got a
09:23:33 $2592 water bill and their bill was reduced to $250
09:23:36 which totals 10% of the bill.
09:23:39 Now, we are going to break it down to the fact
09:23:42 according to the paper.
09:23:45 They own an irrigation system, dishwasher, two
09:23:48 bathrooms, daily showers for a family of six meaning
09:23:52 two adults and four children.
09:23:55 Laundry eight to ten loads per week.
09:23:58 And a swimming pool, and children ranging from ages of
09:24:01 7 to 15.
09:24:03 Now, according to the paper, the O'Malley irrigation
09:24:08 specialist stated one toilet leaking, mine or leaks,
09:24:12 slow drips, and still and the city promised to adjust
09:24:18 their bill, which they D.they reduced their bill to
09:24:22 $250 which totals 10% of this 2500 bill.
09:24:28 Now, according to the paper, the O'Malleys, their
09:24:31 average bill ranged from $93 to $243.
09:24:35 So now if you take 243, let's just say we will take the
09:24:40 high road, and you multiply that by ten and a half
09:24:43 months, that comes out to be 2,551.15.
09:24:50 Now, let's take the same issue as Ms. Lopez.
09:24:55 She has one toilet, no dishwasher, no irrigation
09:24:58 system, no pool, laundry twice a week, one adult in the
09:25:06 household, and 954 square foot home.
09:25:10 Now her average bill according to the paper and the
09:25:13 city records, her average bill is $44 a month.
09:25:17 Ms. Lopez has already paid the city of Tampa utility
09:25:20 department $244.
09:25:26 Than range from $44 times 50.5 months.
09:25:31 So she's paid you 5.5 months in a month's time.
09:25:35 And then she gets a bill last week, and you tell us,
09:25:40 give 511 more.
09:25:42 Now, I have come down here, and I'm coming and I'm
09:25:46 coming, and now I'm starting to feel it up here.
09:25:55 What's wrong with this?
09:25:57 How can a family that by their own words, that their
09:26:03 average bill 3 to 4 times higher than hers, without a
09:26:08 problem, and yet if you told us what they want out of
09:26:12 Ms. Lopez is 44 times 12 which would be $528 plus the
09:26:19 240 she's already paid, that will come up to $748.
09:26:24 You are asking this old lady to pay a year and a half
09:26:27 to the city in a one-month time.
09:26:30 Now, we come down here, and when I come, and when I
09:26:38 leave, the only difference is --
09:26:41 (Bell sounds).
09:26:41 >>THOMAS SCOTT: All right.
09:26:42 >> Can you give us an answer, please?
09:26:44 >> Well, they will be coming.
09:26:46 We'll raise that issue today.
09:26:47 They will be before us today.
09:26:49 I don't know what action they have taken.
09:26:53 I know they said they would not turn off anyone's
09:26:56 They will adjust their water bill.
09:26:57 But we will have the administration come.
09:27:00 Next speaker.
09:27:01 Thank you very much, though.
09:27:01 >> Derrick Chamblee, 20734-54th Avenue south,
09:27:10 St. Petersburg.
09:27:11 First I want to say that I was saddened when I got the
09:27:15 agenda this morning and I saw Mr. Knotts name on that.
09:27:22 There are many times that I spoke behind Moses and he
09:27:25 was a very hard speech to follow.
09:27:28 I want to address the mayor's race.
09:27:30 First of all, I met Mr. Scott, I believe in 1995 on the
09:27:34 corner of Martin Luther King and on Nebraska.
09:27:37 He had a hand-made sign running for office for the
09:27:40 first time, and I will say this, that as far as
09:27:43 distracting traffic, the politicians will send out
09:27:46 their volunteers to the intersection was their signs
09:27:50 and that politicians are beggars.
09:27:56 Mr. Scott seems to be trying to gain the power and win
09:28:01 this office of mayor on the backs of the working poor
09:28:06 and the homeless, and I want to tell you again --
09:28:10 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Mr. Chairman --
09:28:12 >> This panhandling?
09:28:14 This is not on the agenda.
09:28:15 It's not a political forum for people to use.
09:28:18 This is the hall of the public to talk about things of
09:28:21 government, not about politics.
09:28:23 I don't talk about politics and neither should you.
09:28:25 >> If standing up for the poor --
09:28:28 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: It's not about standing up for the
09:28:31 >> Politics that --
09:28:34 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: It's like it is.
09:28:35 >> I also want to remind that you Mr. Buckhorn as part
09:28:39 of Mayor Freedman's staff crafted about a policy of
09:28:45 arresting Christians who were bringing out food and
09:28:46 clothing and offering housing to the poor and homeless,
09:28:50 and when we made speeches here at City Council, an
09:28:53 effort was made to silence us to the point that the
09:28:56 Christian street preachers on Franklin Street were
09:28:58 continually arrested in the Greco administration.
09:29:03 I took Mr. Buckhorn as well as Mr. Greco to federal
09:29:07 court to fight for my freedom which took personally six
09:29:12 and a half years of the city and the county and the
09:29:14 state spent well over $1 million prosecuting us.
09:29:19 I had 18 cases, won 14, lost only four times, in six
09:29:23 and a half years, finally won my freedom the day after
09:29:27 state attorney Harry Coe committed suicide.
09:29:32 He had teams of lawyers up against us.
09:29:33 And I caution you on following St. Petersburg according
09:29:36 to their panhandling ordinance. I caution you, because
09:29:40 according to the "St. Pete Times," the St. Petersburg
09:29:46 style, it's referred to. It's not stylish to put your
09:29:49 foot on the shoulders of the poor and the working poor.
09:29:52 Many people that come out with cardboard signs get
09:29:56 offers of jobs that end up with housing.
09:29:59 It's not stylish what they want to do in St. Pete,
09:30:02 arrest the relief organizations coming downtown to feed
09:30:07 the poor and across the city, to cut off the food
09:30:10 supply, to put them in some sort of jail shelter.
09:30:14 And I caution this City Council, and I caution the next
09:30:16 mayor, to take this path that St. Petersburg has taken,
09:30:19 and we are dealing now with the police chief and the
09:30:22 mayor and the City Council of St. Petersburg, and we
09:30:25 will lock up those intersections as well as here in
09:30:29 Politicians are beggars.
09:30:30 If you can come out with your signs, and we must never
09:30:35 give up the sidewalks. We may retreat from the
09:30:37 mediums, and you may have a point that that may be
09:30:41 unsafe, but we shall not retreat from the sidewalks
09:30:45 because that is the public arena.
09:30:46 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you.
09:30:47 Time is up.
09:30:48 Time is up, sir.
09:30:49 We gave you three and a half minutes.
09:30:51 Your time is up.
09:30:52 Thank you.
09:30:53 Next speaker.
09:30:53 >>STEVE MICHELINI: Steve Michelini.
09:31:09 As most you are aware, Tampa has been on the forefront
09:31:12 of trying to initiate direct flights with Cuba.
09:31:16 And the international airport has submitted an
09:31:20 There are two different companies at least and maybe
09:31:24 more applying for landing rights in Cuba, and recently,
09:31:27 one of our senators who has introduced legislation
09:31:30 which apparently last night was defeated, to restrict
09:31:34 those flights to other cities, and I would encourage
09:31:37 the City Council to draft a letter to the congressional
09:31:41 delegation and also the legislative delegation
09:31:44 indicating Tampa's support for opening those relations
09:31:48 and continuing those flights from other cities within
09:31:52 the State of Florida and assisting the businesses and
09:31:55 all of the commerce that will come from that.
09:31:57 I appreciate your consideration.
09:31:59 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I wasn't going to say much but since
09:32:01 you brought it up, I'm amazed to see a senator state
09:32:04 that it would increase terrorism, but you can fly out
09:32:07 of my city.
09:32:09 But not out of another city.
09:32:11 So what it is, you increase the revenue to the city of
09:32:14 Miami, but nothing for the City of Tampa, Orlando and
09:32:17 other cities.
09:32:18 And I think that's extremely incorrect for any elected
09:32:21 official to say that.
09:32:24 Instead of saying no flight, he says, no you can
09:32:27 continue flying out of here, let the good people of
09:32:29 this community and this area spend an extra 300 to $500
09:32:32 and go see their family, which they should be allowed
09:32:35 to go see their family on a regular basis, so that
09:32:38 Miami could make the money and our citizens are left
09:32:44 That's absolutely incorrect for him to say that.
09:32:46 Among other things that he's done.
09:32:48 But I can see where he's coming from in the first few
09:32:51 months as an elected official.
09:32:53 >>STEVE MICHELINI: Within the next day or so the World
09:32:54 Trade Center will be indicating that via letter as
09:32:57 well, and I think it's important for a letter from the
09:33:02 City Council in that same direction would be useful,
09:33:03 because apparently according to the article, the
09:33:05 senator is not finished, and he will continue to try to
09:33:09 introduce legislation that will restrict other cities.
09:33:14 As you point out Miami currently has the ability to do
09:33:17 Tampa has applied.
09:33:18 And we expect those approvals will come through very
09:33:22 Kathy Castor's office has been very aggressive in
09:33:24 assisting the businesses and obtaining those.
09:33:28 >>THOMAS SCOTT: We can take that item up under new
09:33:31 Do you know he is a res department of Miami so he's
09:33:33 trying to take Miami income.
09:33:36 >>MARY MULHERN: Thank you.
09:33:38 This council passed resolutions to support those
09:33:42 flights from Tampa to Havana, and we can do that again
09:33:48 and reiterate that.
09:33:49 But I think we have been leaders on trying to open up
09:33:52 our opportunities for economic development with the
09:33:56 legal trade we can do with them now, and allowing
09:33:59 families to visit.
09:34:00 And Tampa needs leadership, needs to come out strongly
09:34:07 in favor of opening up travel to Cuba, not just for
09:34:11 Cuban Americans but for all Americans.
09:34:14 And this council has supported that, I believe, and I
09:34:18 think will continue to do so.
09:34:20 But we need the leadership, all of the leadership, our
09:34:24 congressional, our state, our local, and our next mayor
09:34:28 to really seek out on this, because Miami has had the
09:34:32 corner on all these flights to Cuba for all these
09:34:36 years, yet they are the ones that are preventing us
09:34:41 from the policy from going forward to allow greater
09:34:45 opportunity for us, and Tampa is only 90 miles away, so
09:34:49 we really, really need to step up our advocacy for
09:34:53 Thank you.
09:34:56 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Mr. Caetano, then next speaker.
09:35:00 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: At the last meeting I neglected
09:35:02 to bring that up.
09:35:03 I did have it on my folder at the end of the meeting,
09:35:05 and I was reminded but it was too late.
09:35:08 We had already --
09:35:11 >>THOMAS SCOTT: We'll bring it up under new business.
09:35:12 >>STEVE MICHELINI: Thank you, council.
09:35:15 I agree with a consolidated leadership and continued
09:35:18 support for this, we need to be careful that this
09:35:21 doesn't slip away from us, and I think that's the
09:35:23 intent of the legislation.
09:35:29 Thank you.
09:35:29 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you.
09:35:29 >> Spencer Kass, here today just representing my
09:35:38 company, landmark realty and contracting, 15001 North
09:35:42 Howard Avenue, hear to discuss items 54, 55.
09:35:46 First I want to thank staff for their work, especially
09:35:51 From where we started to where we are today.
09:35:55 It night and day in terms of what's drafted.
09:35:57 >>MARTIN SHELBY: That's a public hearing.
09:36:01 >> Yes, but it's first public hearing.
09:36:03 It has to be under general comment.
09:36:06 >> It's a public hearing.
09:36:09 >>THOMAS SCOTT: You can't talk on a public hearing.
09:36:12 You can speak at the public hearing, though.
09:36:13 >> It's first.
09:36:15 All right.
09:36:15 I apologize.
09:36:16 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Does anyone else wish to address
09:36:23 council this morning?
09:36:25 Then we'll move to our agenda.
09:36:29 The first item is item 2, the ordinance.
09:36:32 Councilman Stokes, do you want to read that ordinance?
09:36:34 >> ordinance being presented for first reading and
09:36:40 consideration, an ordinance of the city of Tampa,
09:36:41 Florida making comprehensive revisions to the City of
09:36:43 Tampa code of ordinances, amend amending chapter 25,
09:36:47 transportation, section 25-4, definition, repealing and
09:36:51 readopting sections 25-182 and 25-183 relating to truck
09:36:57 route regulation for safety reasons and to minimize
09:37:00 damage to the city's road system, amending chapter
09:37:02 23.5, supplemental enforcement procedures, section
09:37:06 23.5-5, schedule of violations of penalties to be add
09:37:10 section 25-1826 to class 2 violations, providing for
09:37:14 severability, repealing all ordinances in or part of
09:37:17 ordinances in conflict therewith, providing an
09:37:19 effective date.
09:37:19 >> Second.
09:37:23 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Moved and seconded.
09:37:25 All in favor signify by saying Aye.
09:37:27 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried unanimously.
09:37:30 Second reading of the ordinance will be held March
09:37:33 3rd at 9:30 a.m.
09:37:35 >> we will move to committee reports.
09:37:39 Councilwoman Miller, public safety.
09:37:41 >>GWEN MILLER: I move resolutions 3 through 7.
09:37:44 >> Second.
09:37:46 >>THOMAS SCOTT: I want to point out item 7, councilman
09:37:49 Caetano, that is the new fire station 22 up in New
09:37:56 That's been authorized here, is .5 million.
09:37:59 Moved and seconded.
09:38:00 All in favor signify by saying Aye.
09:38:07 We will move to parks and recreation.
09:38:11 >>CURTIS STOKES: I move items 8 through 15.
09:38:13 >> Second.
09:38:15 >> On item 10, 10%, 4% on 815,000.
09:38:28 All in favor?
09:38:31 Public works, councilman Miranda.
09:38:34 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Move item 16 through 18.
09:38:36 >> Second.
09:38:39 >>THOMAS SCOTT: On 18, that's 10.1% of SLBE.
09:38:47 All in favor?
09:38:48 Finance Committee.
09:38:49 Councilwoman Mulhern.
09:38:50 >>MARY MULHERN: I move items 19 through 31.
09:39:01 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Second.
09:39:01 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Moved and seconded.
09:39:05 All in favor say Aye.
09:39:10 Building and zoning, councilman Caetano.
09:39:12 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: I would like to move 32 through
09:39:15 >>GWEN MILLER: 40 is conned.
09:39:22 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: Hold on a second here.
09:39:24 40 was continued.
09:39:27 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: March 3rd.
09:39:30 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Moved and seconded.
09:39:31 All in favor signify by saying Aye.
09:39:35 On item 43, that is the NSP 3 neighborhood
09:39:39 stabilization program.
09:39:42 I think it's $4.3 million that's being used in the
09:39:46 Gandy area.
09:39:46 So the neighborhood stabilization program now has been
09:39:52 expanded, Sulphur Springs, East Tampa, and now into the
09:39:55 Gandy area.
09:39:56 All right.
09:40:00 Transportation committee, Councilwoman Capin.
09:40:02 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I move item 44 through 48 with 46
09:40:11 together with 61.
09:40:12 I don't know that I can do this, but just the 46, okay.
09:40:15 >> Right.
09:40:17 >>YVONNE CAPIN: To continue item 46 for the March
09:40:25 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Second.
09:40:26 >>THOMAS SCOTT: So we are moving all items and then 46
09:40:28 we will pull, and a then Capin --
09:40:34 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Mr. Chairman, all of that was done
09:40:36 during the approval of the agenda.
09:40:37 >>THOMAS SCOTT: That's right, you're right.
09:40:41 I call your attention to item 44.
09:40:43 That is the riverwalk.
09:40:44 Item 44, $1 million there.
09:40:51 Then on item 47, 3.7 DBE participation.
09:40:56 Then item 48, that's another 212 for the riverwalk or
09:40:59 friends of the riverwalk.
09:41:00 Moved and seconded.
09:41:01 All in favor signify by saying Aye.
09:41:05 >> Public hearing item 49 change it to April 7th,
09:41:13 and all the rest is moved.
09:41:18 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Second.
09:41:18 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Moved and seconded.
09:41:20 All in favor?
09:41:25 We move to our 9:30 public hearings at this time.
09:41:29 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Move to open the hearings.
09:41:32 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Is there a second?
09:41:33 Moved and seconded.
09:41:34 All in favor signify by saying Aye.
09:41:37 Anyone here wish to address council on item 42?
09:41:42 >>GWEN MILLER: 52.
09:41:43 >>THOMAS SCOTT: 52, I'm sorry.
09:41:45 Thank you.
09:41:49 Item 52.
09:41:51 >> Motion to close.
09:41:52 >> All in favor?
09:41:55 Councilwoman Mulhern.
09:41:56 >>MARY MULHERN: I move an ordinance being presented
09:41:59 for second reading and adoption, an ordinance
09:42:02 authorizing the installation and maintenance of an
09:42:04 encroachment, proposed firescape over a portion of
09:42:07 public right-of-way alleyway lying north of seventh
09:42:11 Avenue and east of north 17th street in map of Ybor
09:42:14 City as more particularly described herein subject to
09:42:16 certain terms, covenants, conditions and agreements as
09:42:20 more particularly described herein providing an
09:42:21 effective date.
09:42:25 ENC 09-05, original motion to approve -- oh, sorry, I
09:42:31 don't need to read that.
09:42:32 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Moved and seconded by councilman
09:42:36 Record your vote, please.
09:42:37 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried unanimously.
09:42:46 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Item 53 we need to open.
09:42:52 >> So moved.
09:42:53 >> Second.
09:42:54 >>THOMAS SCOTT: All in favor?
09:42:57 Item 53.
09:43:02 >>SAL TERRITO: Legal department.
09:43:03 This was an item to correct an error that was made.
09:43:06 We are issuing a new set of bonds to fix the error that
09:43:09 was made by one of our agency. all we are doing is
09:43:13 issuing new bonds to take out the old bonds.
09:43:16 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Does anyone here wish to speak to
09:43:19 council on this item?
09:43:20 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Move to close.
09:43:21 >> Second.
09:43:22 >>THOMAS SCOTT: All in favor?
09:43:25 Councilman Miranda.
09:43:27 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I move the resolution.
09:43:28 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Moved and seconded.
09:43:31 All in favor?
09:43:41 >>THOMAS SCOTT: The other items are not till 10:00.
09:43:43 We are moving ahead.
09:43:44 Let's move to new business then.
09:43:47 Take up new business items.
09:43:48 Councilman Stokes.
09:43:59 Councilwoman Mulhern?
09:44:01 >>MARY MULHERN: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
09:44:02 I have a couple things.
09:44:03 I would like to ask council to send a letter from the
09:44:08 chair, signed by the chair, asking the governor to
09:44:14 reconsider his turning down the federal funds for
09:44:19 high-speed rail.
09:44:21 I believe that we supported it earlier when we got the
09:44:28 appropriation, and I think that we need to let him know
09:44:32 that this city and this region supports the high-speed
09:44:37 rail, that we don't believe that it is going to be a
09:44:44 burden on the taxpayers.
09:44:48 We need to show that this is something that we need to
09:44:50 create not just jobs in the short term, in this
09:44:53 terrible economy, but also to make our region and
09:44:58 especially Tampa Bay and the City of Tampa a leader
09:45:04 northbound transportation and economic development.
09:45:08 This is our opportunity for not only our region for
09:45:13 Tampa to Orlando, but for the State of Florida to get
09:45:16 the first high-speed rail line in the country.
09:45:20 Worry the fourth largest state.
09:45:23 And not only is he turning down money that was
09:45:26 originally appropriated, but other states have turned
09:45:28 it down, and we were even getting more appropriations
09:45:32 to build our system.
09:45:34 And we had the private sector ready to bid and to cover
09:45:37 any cost overruns.
09:45:40 I would like to send that letter.
09:45:42 >> Second.
09:45:43 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Motion and second.
09:45:44 Second by councilman Miranda.
09:45:46 All in favor signify by saying Aye.
09:45:57 >>MARY MULHERN: We may be some of the only people here
09:45:59 to be pushing for that after the election.
09:46:02 So we have been doing that all along and I hope people
09:46:04 remember that.
09:46:05 The other motion I would like to make is that we send
09:46:09 another letter to our congressional delegation, and
09:46:15 also to our senators asking -- or stating our continued
09:46:27 support for direct flights to Cuba, allowing those out
09:46:34 of Tampa International Airport and other airports in
09:46:36 the country.
09:46:39 And I have to correct my earlier misstatement about the
09:46:42 390 miles of Florida to Key West.
09:46:46 So Tampa is one of the closest ports to Havana, and we
09:46:52 need to -- and airport, so we need to move forward and
09:46:57 allow our flights, direct flights, to Cuba.
09:47:04 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Second.
09:47:04 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Moved and second.
09:47:06 All in favor say Aye.
09:47:09 Councilman Miranda.
09:47:11 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I yield to the next council member.
09:47:12 >>GWEN MILLER: I yield to the next council member.
09:47:16 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Thank you.
09:47:16 I do have new business.
09:47:24 Chairman, on a motion that was file number E-2-01047,
09:47:31 that I made in September, that the administration be
09:47:36 requested to work on refining the definition of
09:47:38 existing public semi-public land use category to
09:47:42 address some of the issues discussed relating to said
09:47:45 ordinance, and that the administration be requested to
09:47:52 respond in the March 11 cycle in the amendments and
09:47:55 comprehensive motion.
09:47:57 In regard to the above motion the land development
09:48:00 division has initiated a study to determine the p
09:48:03 amendments related to the definition of public
09:48:05 semi-public land use plan category.
09:48:09 This study is expected to take approximately 180 days.
09:48:13 Once complete the Land Development Coordination staff
09:48:16 will present those findings to City Council for
09:48:18 consideration and direction amending the Tampa
09:48:21 comprehensive plan.
09:48:31 I need to make a motion, too.
09:48:32 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Tell us what the motion is.
09:48:36 >>YVONNE CAPIN: The motion is they will not be able to
09:48:40 bring it before us by March 11th cycle.
09:48:44 It has 180 days, it needs to be amended to that 180
09:48:50 days from now.
09:48:52 The next cycle, which is September.
09:48:56 >>MARTIN SHELBY: If I can, council, perhaps if we can
09:49:06 talk with council member Capin, I can just clarify that
09:49:09 and just make sure that the intent of the motion is
09:49:13 So if we can put this off, council members, just for a
09:49:18 little while and you and I can have a conversation
09:49:20 about it and make sure the motion is --
09:49:23 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Okay.
09:49:26 Please do.
09:49:26 >>RANDY GOERS: Land division.
09:49:30 To clarify there was an original motion made by
09:49:33 Councilwoman Capin directing the administration to
09:49:35 complete a plan amendment for the March cycle.
09:49:39 There was some confusion as to when the administration
09:49:41 should be dealing with the Planning Commission, so kind
09:49:45 of laid in rest for a while.
09:49:50 The LDC staff provided a letter to council, which
09:49:55 Councilwoman Capin just read, giving you a status of
09:49:58 that project, where the LDC will be conducting a study
09:50:03 with the Planning Commission staff over the next six
09:50:05 months of the public, semi-public plan category and all
09:50:09 of the properties that are designated and then come
09:50:13 back to you with a recommendation of what needed to be
09:50:15 changed, if anything needed to be changed in the comp
09:50:18 So what Councilwoman Capin was reading was a status
09:50:22 report of that motion.
09:50:23 The motion was to amend the plan in the March cycle,
09:50:26 and we were responding by saying we were conducting a
09:50:29 study and will come back to you in 180 days with a
09:50:32 >> This motion was made in September which was 180 days
09:50:40 from March.
09:50:41 I just wanted to make that clear.
09:50:44 That was the motion was September -- in September.
09:50:51 But because more time is needed, we are going to amend
09:50:57 the motion.
09:51:00 The study cannot be brought forth.
09:51:05 Come up, please.
09:51:07 By March.
09:51:08 >> Yes.
09:51:12 The letter provided to council is to indicate that the
09:51:14 study would take 180 days about this time.
09:51:18 We obviously just initiated but again there was some
09:51:20 confusion on the motion as to who it was directed to,
09:51:25 the administration, and not necessarily -- didn't get
09:51:27 down to the actual department.
09:51:31 >>YVONNE CAPIN: And I am going to correct you on that
09:51:33 because I looked it up, and my motion said that the
09:51:37 staff, it did not say administration, it said staff be
09:51:44 That was my motion.
09:51:45 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Well, you all have it now.
09:51:49 >> Yes, yes.
09:51:51 >>THOMAS SCOTT: So that's moving forward.
09:51:54 Which from administration over to the planning.
09:52:03 >> Yes, we are going to be working with the Planning
09:52:05 Commission staff to identify what needs to be changed
09:52:08 in the comp plan, if anything, and will come back to
09:52:12 council with the results of that study, and look for
09:52:16 council direction.
09:52:17 >> My understanding was that it needed another 180
09:52:22 days, correct?
09:52:23 >> Yes.
09:52:23 >> So that's what I was making the motion to allow the
09:52:28 180 days.
09:52:31 And I did speak with the homeowners and the people, the
09:52:40 stakeholders, and they are aware of this.
09:52:44 They are asking for another 180 days.
09:52:48 The administration is asking for another 180 days.
09:52:52 >>THOMAS SCOTT: So the motion is to extend this for
09:52:58 another 180 days.
09:53:01 That's your motion?
09:53:04 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I'm sorry, it was set for the March
09:53:10 >>RANDY GOERS: If I may suggest the motion to be that
09:53:14 you are directing Land Development Coordination to
09:53:16 coordinate with the Planning Commission staff in the
09:53:19 completion of the study to determine what changes need
09:53:21 to be made on the public semi-public land use category.
09:53:25 First, the study to determine what needs to be changed
09:53:28 as opposed to a plan amendment, because we don't know
09:53:31 what needs to be amended at this time.
09:53:33 And those part of the discussion that we were having
09:53:34 with the Planning Commission staff.
09:53:37 >> So six months then, would you like to have it set on
09:53:42 the calendar for a staff report at six months?
09:53:51 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I would like to have a staff report.
09:53:53 I wish I had asked for one in September.
09:53:55 >>MARTIN SHELBY: So six months from now would be --
09:54:00 >> Would August be enough time?
09:54:03 >> Yes.
09:54:04 >> Do you want a staff report on the August 4th or
09:54:08 August 25th?
09:54:15 >>YVONNE CAPIN: August 4th.
09:54:16 >>THOMAS SCOTT: August 4.
09:54:18 Is there a second to that motion?
09:54:21 >> Second.
09:54:22 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Moved and second.
09:54:23 All in favor?
09:54:26 Okay, anything else?
09:54:28 Councilman Caetano?
09:54:30 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: I was going to bring that motion
09:54:31 up about flying out of Tampa, but Ms. Mulhern brought
09:54:35 that up.
09:54:35 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Okay.
09:54:39 Now business.
09:54:41 A request from Jeanette Fenton that the women's history
09:54:43 month celebration committee chair and members appear at
09:54:45 the beginning of March, first City Council meeting to
09:54:48 announce the day.
09:54:49 >> Second.
09:54:51 >>GWEN MILLER: Motion and second.
09:54:52 All in favor?
09:54:56 >>THOMAS SCOTT: And the other thing is that this
09:54:58 coming Sunday at 10:30 a.m., Jefferson high school, I
09:55:03 believe, all of the old-timers, old-timers, I guess
09:55:15 planned by the young guys at Jefferson high school this
09:55:18 coming Sunday.
09:55:18 So that means those going back 56 years ago, almost
09:55:28 before my time.
09:55:31 [ Laughter ]
09:55:36 >>MARY MULHERN: Councilman Miranda, are you on that
09:55:40 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Yes, ma'am.
09:55:40 >>THOMAS SCOTT:
09:55:41 >>MARY MULHERN: He has been working out.
09:55:43 We have been hearing about his regimen.
09:55:46 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Okay.
09:55:47 So that's this Sunday at 10:30 a.m. at Jefferson high
09:55:51 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: You will be surprised.
09:55:55 >>THOMAS SCOTT: I may come out and take pictures of you
09:55:57 out there.
09:55:58 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: You should.
09:55:58 >> Do a video.
09:56:03 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: That would be good.
09:56:07 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Put it on the "funniest video" program.
09:56:10 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Mr. Chairman, did you want to -- we
09:56:14 could bring it up at the end of the meeting but there
09:56:16 was a new business item that came through to the
09:56:18 clerk's office that ended up on the addendum to that
09:56:21 council is requested to -- requested to schedule a ten
09:56:25 minute presentation on March 3rd, 2007, by Bonnie
09:56:31 Wise -- telephone, and earnings and young to present
09:56:37 the comprehensive annual report otherwise known as the
09:56:42 >> So moved.
09:56:43 >> Second.
09:56:43 >> All in favor?
09:56:46 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Do you want to come on down since we
09:56:52 have a few minute?
09:56:57 Are you prepared?
09:56:58 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: He is now.
09:57:01 >>THOMAS SCOTT: We are moving ahead of our schedule.
09:57:08 Unless you want to be wait till the end of the agenda.
09:57:11 >>> I came down early just knowing you would move the
09:57:15 schedule early.
09:57:17 I am Bob Hunter.
09:57:18 Thank you for putting me on the agenda.
09:57:19 It will take just a few minute to cover the item I want
09:57:22 to cover with you.
09:57:23 Just a little background.
09:57:24 The Planning Commission is responsible for the update
09:57:28 of all four comprehensive plans in Hillsborough County.
09:57:33 That's not only yours but that's for the update of
09:57:35 unincorporated Hillsborough County, Plant City, and
09:57:38 Temple Terrace.
09:57:41 It is a major update from the standpoint of looking at
09:57:44 everything in their comprehensive plan from bringing it
09:57:46 forward as it deals with not only population and
09:57:49 demographics, but policies and dates, but also taking
09:57:55 to you your priorities and that of the community at
09:57:57 this time.
09:57:59 The schedule we are facing is mandated by the state is
09:58:02 that we have to finish the county's next year.
09:58:07 Why am I coming to see you?
09:58:10 We have to finish the three cities the following year.
09:58:13 And as we did about seven years ago, we are combining
09:58:17 the efforts from the standpoint of having all four
09:58:21 governments meet in a combined fashion to start this
09:58:27 So that all of you can collectively work together
09:58:30 concerning your priorities, because just working on
09:58:34 your individual priorities isolates you.
09:58:37 We don't want you to be isolated.
09:58:40 All the roads connect, the sewer lines connect,
09:58:42 essentially the water lines connect.
09:58:44 So you had a joint meeting with all three governments.
09:58:50 About six or seven years ago at the university area
09:58:52 community center.
09:58:55 Where Board of County Commissioners, the Tampa City
09:58:57 Council, the Temple Terrace City Council, and the Plant
09:59:01 City City Commission met over there, and we are asking
09:59:05 you to please set aside the time to do it again.
09:59:21 President Genshaft has it on her calendar and she said
09:59:25 she will be there along with the superintendent of
09:59:27 We look at this as being a very productive three hours
09:59:30 for our community.
09:59:33 Concerning the subjects that are important to you and
09:59:37 prioritizing them for the growth of this community.
09:59:40 I think probably number one, I think economic
09:59:44 development, but the question is not only that, but how
09:59:46 do we get there?
09:59:48 How do we create jobs?
09:59:49 I think it will be one of the most unique opportunities
09:59:51 for the elected officials and the elected leaders in
09:59:54 this county to get together and start setting some
09:59:57 So I would ask you to please set that date, May
10:00:01 6th, that's a Friday, from 9:00 to 12:00.
10:00:05 I will give you and your staff further information
10:00:07 about it.
10:00:08 We are going to give you about four pages about a week
10:00:11 ahead of that data, demographics, forecasting, and we
10:00:15 are going to have one page of questions.
10:00:18 We won't have the answers, but we want you to start
10:00:21 thinking about it before you get to the meeting.
10:00:24 Because we are going to be picking your brains as to
10:00:26 priorities and asking you to enter with the other
10:00:29 elected officials.
10:00:30 Mr. Chairman, that's my summary.
10:00:33 >>THOMAS SCOTT: May 6th.
10:00:35 >> Yes, Friday, May 6th.
10:00:38 >> At what time?
10:00:40 >> Nine to twelve.
10:00:43 >>MARY MULHERN: Second.
10:00:44 >>THOMAS SCOTT: All in favor?
10:00:46 Yes, sir.
10:00:46 >>MARTIN SHELBY: For the purposes of the record, have
10:00:53 it listed on the calendar.
10:00:56 Obviously it will be a sunshine meeting.
10:00:57 >> Most definitely.
10:00:59 >>MARTIN SHELBY: But it won't be a special called
10:01:01 meeting of council.
10:01:01 It will just be listed on the agenda and the council's
10:01:06 calendar for that date.
10:01:07 >> Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
10:01:09 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Item 54.
10:01:25 >>RANDY GOERS: We would like to place on first reading
10:01:29 the amendments to chapter 25.
10:01:30 I have a short PowerPoint presentation.
10:01:32 But I think most people have seen that.
10:01:35 We have talked about this information for a couple
10:01:37 I don't think I need the presentation.
10:01:39 The question comes up, would like to refer back to this
10:01:42 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Mr. Chairman, if we could have a
10:01:44 motion to open the public hearing.
10:01:46 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: So moved.
10:01:47 >>MARY MULHERN: Second.
10:01:47 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Moved and seconded to open the public
10:01:49 hearing on 54 and 55.
10:01:51 All in favor?
10:01:56 >>RANDY GOERS: A report of the changes to chapter 25
10:01:58 which includes the transportation concurrency exception
10:02:01 area, and the review procedures for transportation
10:02:04 projects moving forward.
10:02:07 We have been working on this during the time of the
10:02:10 comprehensive plan was being amended in 2003.
10:02:13 We had the meetings for the comprehensive plan update.
10:02:16 Comprehensive plan was updated and approved in 2009.
10:02:21 And from 2009 until just before the holiday, we were
10:02:25 finalizing the transportation review and mitigation
10:02:29 We have a number of stakeholder meetings last year.
10:02:32 I think we had three large community meetings of
10:02:35 various stakeholders.
10:02:36 We had City Council workshops.
10:02:37 We had a meeting with transportation engineers to
10:02:40 finalize the procedures.
10:02:43 The three primary objectives of the ordinance and what
10:02:47 we were tasked to do when we started this process was
10:02:50 to ensure that we could move development forward within
10:02:52 the city, without the arbitrary, unnecessary burdens of
10:02:56 the state requirements of concurrency.
10:02:59 That was a burden that we knew would stop development
10:03:02 so our goal was to ensure that we would agree to
10:03:06 economic development.
10:03:07 The second was to encourage economic development in our
10:03:10 business centers and along our transit corridors.
10:03:12 And the third objective was to protect neighborhoods
10:03:14 from the unnecessary impacts of transportation.
10:03:19 The map that I put on the Elmo shows really the essence
10:03:23 of the ordinance.
10:03:30 The left-hand side, you have seen this map many times
10:03:32 before, we call it the primary transit corridor
10:03:35 network, encompasses the business centers of downtown,
10:03:37 Westshore and USF.
10:03:39 And then the bus transit corridors that are operating
10:03:42 tee level service C, and the orange corridors are
10:03:47 Hart's metro rapid services that will be coming over
10:03:50 the next few years.
10:03:52 And the objective is to encourage economic development
10:03:54 in those areas that are shaded.
10:03:56 The map on the right, if you were to take all those
10:03:58 areas and just put one color on it shows you the area
10:04:01 that would be represented in that one color.
10:04:05 That also includes areas that are from impact fees,
10:04:09 West Tampa, East Tampa, and parts of Ybor City.
10:04:11 So you can see a significant part of the city, the
10:04:13 commercial area, the areas that we want to encourage
10:04:15 new development, would be exempt from transportation
10:04:20 review and mitigation procedures.
10:04:20 The develop worry pay an impact fee, have the site
10:04:24 access looked at and then move on forward and proceed
10:04:28 under development.
10:04:28 The rest of the ear is not shaded.
10:04:30 South of Fowler is the area that we call the in-fill
10:04:33 and neighborhood areas.
10:04:33 And that's where redevelopment projects, or projects
10:04:37 coming in for a rezoning or a site plan, are large
10:04:42 enough to generate change of use, they would have to be
10:04:47 looked at in terms of what their transportation impact
10:04:48 It will vary depending on the project.
10:04:50 The project, the small project, that is on a large
10:04:55 road, the impact will be minimal.
10:04:56 If it's a large project and the road is already
10:04:59 congested, the impacts may be higher, in which case the
10:05:05 requirements from the developer would be higher.
10:05:08 So the ordinance moving forward tries to balance the
10:05:11 economic development objectives in our commercial areas
10:05:15 with the desire to protect neighborhoods from the
10:05:19 impact of development in the residential areas.
10:05:21 And so with that, if there's any questions, I will be
10:05:24 able to come back with you.
10:05:25 I do want to thank all of the people in the last two
10:05:27 years, the input that we have with the stakeholders was
10:05:31 very helpful, and helping us to identify the problems
10:05:34 in the ordinance, and we think that we have solved --
10:05:39 those problems and maybe some things that need to be
10:05:42 fine tuned over the next couple of years.
10:05:47 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Any questions by council at this point
10:05:49 before we have the public hearing?
10:05:53 Any questions by council?
10:05:55 This is the public hearing.
10:05:56 Anyone wish to address council on item 54?
10:05:59 Item 54?
10:06:11 >>GINA GRIMES: I'm not representing anyone other than
10:06:16 I have been in the private sector seven years now.
10:06:18 This is probably the first time in seven years that I
10:06:20 have come here to object to a staff proposal.
10:06:26 And the reason is most of the times my projects are
10:06:29 fairly controversial enough so that I really don't try
10:06:32 to go looking for problems.
10:06:34 And it's also not exactly popular to oppose staff
10:06:37 whenever they present a proposal to council.
10:06:39 And I have said to Ms. Cole that this is nothing
10:06:44 personal, we just have a fundamental difference of
10:06:48 opinion on this issue.
10:06:49 But I believe that this ordinance has some defect, and
10:06:53 it's not the portion of the ordinance that Mr. Goers
10:06:55 just addressed.
10:06:56 There's a second portion of the ordinance that I think
10:06:59 is -- it simply goes too far.
10:07:02 It's unnecessary.
10:07:03 And it's not the right time.
10:07:05 And I know a lot of you are running for election right
10:07:09 There's several candidates running for election for
10:07:12 Everybody talks about the same thing, and that is the
10:07:15 best way to create jobs and to spur economic
10:07:19 development is to streamline government.
10:07:21 That's a common theme in everybody's campaign.
10:07:24 Well, this ordinance, the second part of this
10:07:26 ordinance, I believe, does just the exact opposite of
10:07:30 What it does is we have a process in Mace right now
10:07:33 called the development review committee.
10:07:36 And that committee, it's an effective tool but only
10:07:40 reviews certain complicated applications, like site
10:07:43 plan controlled zoning and special uses.
10:07:46 However, this ordinance -- and I don't think this has
10:07:48 been addressed in any of the comments made by Mr.
10:07:52 Goers -- but this ordinance expands that DRC process,
10:08:00 and it covers every kind of land use that the city
10:08:04 Right now the DRC just looks at PDs and special uses,
10:08:09 and with this ordinance they will the consider alcohol
10:08:11 beverage zoning applications, all rezonings, all ARC
10:08:14 cases, all DRB cases, all BLC cases, substantial change
10:08:17 requests, form-based zoning requests, and change of
10:08:23 That's a substantial number of applications.
10:08:25 Just last month the BLC and VRC had ten applications.
10:08:29 All those applications are now going to have to go
10:08:31 through this VRC process.
10:08:34 And the process they have now restructured is not a
10:08:36 simple one.
10:08:37 First, before you can even go to the VRC, before you
10:08:40 can apply for a Variance Review Board application, you
10:08:43 have to go to the VRCB you go in front of the VRB.
10:08:48 Before you go to the DRC you have to have AP
10:08:50 preapplication meeting with city staff.
10:08:52 And after they discuss with you the details of your
10:08:55 application, then you proceed to the VRC.
10:08:59 Then of a the VRC there's staff report.
10:09:02 After that staff report then you get to the public
10:09:04 hearing in front of the Variance Review Board.
10:09:07 I think those steps are unnecessary for most of the
10:09:10 applications right now.
10:09:12 The process seems to work fine and as I said it's an
10:09:15 effective process to give you feedback on complicated
10:09:18 applications like PDs or special uses that involve a
10:09:22 site plan, but not every variance, not every BLC
10:09:29 Not every zoning.
10:09:30 These cases don't merit review by the DRC.
10:09:33 They also have a requirement now that every time you
10:09:36 make a change to any of those applications, you have to
10:09:38 go back through the DRC process.
10:09:43 They also impose a two-year buildout deadline, again an
10:09:47 unnecessary step.
10:09:48 (Bell sounds).
10:09:50 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Well, just one second.
10:09:52 Let me finish the public hearing, then make a note.
10:09:58 I was told that this will make it easier almost like a
10:10:03 one-stop kind of deal.
10:10:05 So you may want to address that, Julia.
10:10:07 >>JULIA COLE: Legal department.
10:10:09 When we were going through the process of figuring out
10:10:11 the best way to implement the procedures which are part
10:10:15 of this ordinance, the goal of myself and Ms. Coyle in
10:10:20 terms of the staff process was to utilize our existing
10:10:23 process which is our DRC process which we use for
10:10:26 implementation of many other codes.
10:10:27 The problem is our DRC process the way it's currently
10:10:30 drafted, and the way our DRC process as it's being used
10:10:35 truly don't match up.
10:10:36 The goal and the effort that I was trying to undertake
10:10:38 was simply to write down the process currently being
10:10:41 used, and so it is clear and transparent to folks when
10:10:45 they walk in the door what they are supposed to do.
10:10:47 So council is aware, I have every interest in working
10:10:50 with anybody, and Ms. Grimes and I had discussions
10:10:56 about this, so this is slowly something that Ms. Grimes
10:10:58 has brought to my attention.
10:11:00 In an effort to try and get the code written in a
10:11:04 manner that is the most transparent and the most
10:11:07 streamline, I have taken comments from a variety of
10:11:10 people, but I am completely happy to pull that portion
10:11:13 out and take it up as a separate ordinance.
10:11:17 We can continue that portion for a couple of weeks.
10:11:19 We can discuss it separately to allow the provisions to
10:11:23 go forward.
10:11:24 That is certainly an option.
10:11:25 I do want to reiterate, I believe the part of what you
10:11:32 have reviewed for many years, as Mr. Goers has said,
10:11:35 this is simply a process change for the implementation,
10:11:38 but I am happy to separate the two, if that's the will
10:11:40 of council, to allow us to have some additional
10:11:43 discussions on that.
10:11:43 And we can flush that out further.
10:11:46 It's simply an effort to try to have a mechanism and a
10:11:49 process for the TCA which is why I brought that forward
10:11:54 For my purposes we can do that now.
10:11:56 If we remove it we can talk about it later.
10:11:59 It is simply not something that has to go with this
10:12:02 But was an effort to try to simplify and clarify.
10:12:05 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Well, let's take public comment before
10:12:07 we do anything.
10:12:08 >> Ron Weaver, 401 East Jackson Street.
10:12:14 And we have also been closely monitoring this process
10:12:17 and share Ms. Grimes commendable goals with respect to
10:12:20 streamlining and we believe very strongly it's
10:12:24 necessary to streamline.
10:12:26 We believe staff is working with us as in that last
10:12:28 example to find a way to make sure that these processes
10:12:31 do achieve some streamlining.
10:12:33 And I believe that we can continue to work with the
10:12:35 staff to find a way to make sure that we achieve the
10:12:38 streamlining that is desired and the DRC combination
10:12:43 request be a combination to try to consolidate that
10:12:45 which may not be as clear now as it should be by making
10:12:48 a streamlined DRC and making with Ms. Grimes
10:12:56 commendable goal about streamlining.
10:13:01 Meeting after the DRC and giving us the bottom line
10:13:04 very quickly the.
10:13:06 I believe we could work together to continue to
10:13:09 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Okay.
10:13:09 >> Spencer Kass.
10:13:20 I'm happy to say I agree with both the previous
10:13:22 Staff has worked well from whereby we started to where
10:13:25 we end up.
10:13:26 It is a substantial difference.
10:13:28 I am very glad they are willing to work with us.
10:13:30 I think Julia's suggestions for now ends all problems.
10:13:34 We can discuss it, figure out what's best.
10:13:36 We all want to see a streamlined, easy process.
10:13:40 It's not cost prohibitive to people.
10:13:43 We want to be see the vague can't space filled up.
10:13:45 That to me is one of the keys to this.
10:13:47 I appreciate staff's waivers for east and West Tampa.
10:13:51 We worked very hard to make sure those waivers were put
10:13:53 in so this doesn't affect them at all.
10:13:57 I thank you for your assistance.
10:13:59 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you.
10:13:59 >>STEVE MICHELINI: I have the honorable distinction of
10:14:05 having served on the first DRC the city ever had as a
10:14:09 city staff member, and I can tell you that we have gone
10:14:11 far afield from what the original intent of the DRC
10:14:16 We have gone far afield in terms of what zoning is
10:14:22 supposed nobody terms of site plan controls and how you
10:14:24 apply that to permitting.
10:14:28 And so in this process, each layer and each time that
10:14:31 you add another one of these layers of review, you add
10:14:36 a complicated issue that the normal lay person can't
10:14:39 understand and cannot deal with.
10:14:41 Although you have professional representation that can
10:14:44 go and assist people, but the regular mom and pops that
10:14:48 come through the system can't even hope to deal with a
10:14:51 complicated process that you now have either in zoning
10:14:55 or you have in terms of permitting and other things.
10:15:00 So I would respectfully request that you either remove
10:15:04 this item and let us sit down and try to figure out
10:15:06 what is a true streamline process that doesn't add
10:15:11 additional layers and doesn't add additional costs,
10:15:14 either through the professional engineering costs, or
10:15:16 through the permitting and review costs.
10:15:19 It seems like every time you go in for a review and you
10:15:22 need to get a letter or need something like that,
10:15:24 there's a cost now associated with that.
10:15:27 And I understand the intent is to make the city
10:15:30 solvent, but you can't do that on the backs of all
10:15:33 these little variances and requests that come through
10:15:35 the city.
10:15:36 So we respectfully request that you reconsider this,
10:15:39 pull it and let us sit down with the staff and work on
10:15:42 some alternatives.
10:15:47 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Mr. Chairman, I agree with both
10:15:49 I sound like a politician, which I'm not, but on page
10:15:56 6, in my application, my procedures on 27-160, there's
10:16:02 a preapplication conference, and then there is a
10:16:04 process review with a DRC staff, and review the plans
10:16:09 that we have expanded the net from something smaller to
10:16:13 something greater, and then under 27-159 -- and I read
10:16:17 all of this last night -- it says complete application
10:16:21 form with applicable fee.
10:16:23 I don't know if it means the applicable fee of the
10:16:25 previous or the applicable fee of the new, or the
10:16:28 applicable fee of anything that's coming before them on
10:16:33 a much larger net.
10:16:34 So it's an ordinance that's well intended that should
10:16:38 be passed, but I really don't feel comfortable passing
10:16:42 even on first reading something that has a lot of
10:16:46 language in it that could be damaging to what all the
10:16:50 candidates and all the officers that I have heard speak
10:16:54 on all the forms that I have attended saying that they
10:16:57 want to trim line the application form which it does in
10:17:01 some areas here.
10:17:02 There's no question about that.
10:17:03 But that it adds, I believe, one or two layers in
10:17:06 addition, with additional fees possibly, and that we
10:17:09 are going to stymie some procedures which some
10:17:14 individuals may want to go somewhere else and do
10:17:17 whatever they want to do to make a living.
10:17:19 So, therefore, I am going to ask this council to hold
10:17:23 this or remove it from the agenda and bring it back in
10:17:26 two weeks in a proper form with a clean-out of the
10:17:31 parties involved so we can have a clean ordinance, so
10:17:33 when it presented and passed, it speaks directly to the
10:17:37 subject matter and not to the additional items that I
10:17:40 just mentioned.
10:17:42 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Well, let me ask a question of staff.
10:17:44 Did you all brief council on this?
10:17:46 >>JULIA COLE: We did brief council.
10:17:51 I didn't highlight maybe as much as I should have
10:17:53 because frankly, I really thought this was more of a
10:17:55 clean-up measure which is why -- if there is any
10:17:58 concern about the DRC process change, my recommendation
10:18:01 is that we go ahead and read the ordinance on first
10:18:05 reading, request the back sections be removed from the
10:18:11 ordinance and either council can continue that portion
10:18:13 of it, or if council would rather schedule a workshop
10:18:15 to just discuss general streamline issues in our
10:18:18 permitting process, either way would be appropriate.
10:18:24 Maybe I didn't think that this kind of change was going
10:18:26 to create as much of an issue as it ended up creating
10:18:29 because I simply thought as a clarification and
10:18:33 That's why whatever the will of council is.
10:18:35 But I do want to say that the other provisions for DCA,
10:18:40 they can be implemented, they can be implemented as
10:18:43 they are right now through our existing process which
10:18:45 is going through the construction service center to go
10:18:48 through permitting, but in the meantime we can have
10:18:52 further discussions about whether or not that's the
10:18:54 best approach.
10:18:54 >> Councilwoman Mulhern.
10:18:58 >> Yes.
10:19:01 I'm not sure about the TCEA, because I wasn't able to
10:19:06 get the briefing.
10:19:07 But I agree with Mr. Miranda.
10:19:12 But I think two weeks means we'll have a new council.
10:19:17 So I think if we are going to bring this back, April
10:19:26 1st --
10:19:28 >>MARTIN SHELBY: It would come back on March 3rd.
10:19:32 >> Did you say two months?
10:19:34 >> No, two weeks.
10:19:35 >>MARY MULHERN: We will still be here?
10:19:38 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Yes, you have three regular meetings
10:19:39 in March, the 3rd, 17th, 24th.
10:19:43 >>MARY MULHERN: I would rather extend it further than
10:19:48 that to when there is a new council, just because --
10:19:52 and they have had time to look at it.
10:19:55 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Well, then you start the process all
10:20:01 over again.
10:20:02 They have been working thon about a year or whatever?
10:20:06 >>JULIA COLE: And I understand Mrs. Mulhern, we tried
10:20:09 very hard to discuss this.
10:20:10 The provisions relating to the implementation of your
10:20:12 comprehensive plan for the transportation concurrency
10:20:14 exception area, that is something that was in front of
10:20:18 you, that was in front of you --
10:20:21 >>MARY MULHERN: I understand that.
10:20:24 And I know where I have had many discussions with you
10:20:27 about this earlier.
10:20:28 But it sounds like the problem that Ms. Grimes was
10:20:34 bringing up really don't even relate to the
10:20:37 transportation concurrency exception.
10:20:39 Do they?
10:20:42 >>RANDY GOERS: You are correct.
10:20:44 The concerns that Ms. Grimes brought up is changing the
10:20:47 way permits and other applications will be reviewed and
10:20:52 processed through the city, which could be used to
10:20:55 review the applications that have fallen under the
10:20:59 chapter 25 changes.
10:21:00 If you decide not to move forward on those changes, the
10:21:04 changes to chapter 25, which have been reviewed by many
10:21:07 people over the last year and a half, can still move
10:21:10 forward through the process that's in place today,
10:21:13 where if a permit were to go through construction
10:21:15 service center, and it is not in this be shaded area,
10:21:18 and it requires to be looked at from the impact of the
10:21:21 neighborhood, it would then be coordinated with
10:21:25 transportation, it would then determine if there is a
10:21:27 need for an additional study or not.
10:21:29 So that process can still move forward today as you
10:21:34 move forward and approve the ordinance.
10:21:36 The concern that we have -- and just for your
10:21:38 consideration in delaying it, it is a fairly
10:21:43 complicated issue.
10:21:44 It's taken working with the community for the last
10:21:46 couple of years, working with you over that same period
10:21:48 of time to bring you up to speed in all the various
10:21:51 issues that are in play.
10:21:53 This ordinance is implementing the policy that you all
10:21:55 approved over the last five years in comprehensive plan
10:21:59 So move it forward a couple of months, you are now
10:22:03 asking a group of people to reevaluate.
10:22:07 >>MARY MULHERN: Okay.
10:22:10 Well --
10:22:11 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Given the fact we have been the one
10:22:13 over the last two years dealing with this and voting
10:22:15 for the comp plan, it don't make sense for a new
10:22:19 council to come in and start over.
10:22:21 >>MARY MULHERN: That's fine.
10:22:23 You convinced me.
10:22:24 I am just going to support what Mr. Miranda suggested.
10:22:26 >>THOMAS SCOTT: So will that give us enough time,
10:22:29 >>JULIA COLE: Your options are if you want to proceed
10:22:33 forward westbound the TCA you can read the ordinance
10:22:35 today without the chapter 27 amendment portion of it,
10:22:38 and I can make that change between first and second
10:22:41 I can change the title.
10:22:43 I have no legal problem with that.
10:22:46 And the other one was 17.5.
10:22:49 Those two really do need to travel together because you
10:22:52 can't make a change to one without the other so we can
10:22:54 do all of that at first reading today.
10:22:56 We can remove the chapter 27 amendment remitting to the
10:22:59 DRC process.
10:23:00 I can get you between first and second reading a
10:23:03 version of the ordinance that has that completely
10:23:05 removed and we can deal with that at another time,
10:23:08 whatever the pleasure of council is.
10:23:11 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Mr. Chairman, I know 54 and 55 run
10:23:14 concurrently, and I appreciate everything that the fine
10:23:18 attorney just stated.
10:23:20 However, for the media's sake, for the general public
10:23:25 sake, for those that do business on a regular basis
10:23:27 with the city, I would just like to have a clean
10:23:30 ordinance in two weeks which is not going to hurt
10:23:32 We are still going to be here to make sure that the
10:23:37 ordinance is presented in a manner with all people
10:23:40 involved understand what's in it.
10:23:42 And to take some out and put something in, do this, is
10:23:47 not in the best interest of this government at this
10:23:49 And I believe that this would then suffice all of us.
10:23:54 And it will be a clean ordinance.
10:23:56 This is a big change.
10:23:57 And that's my motion to hold it for two weeks.
10:24:01 For no other reason than just to present a clean
10:24:03 reading of the ordinance.
10:24:04 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Julia, so that will give us enough
10:24:11 time to get through the process sees and do that.
10:24:14 But I stress it important -- see, I believe in
10:24:17 50s oops I believe in meeting with staff, getting all
10:24:20 my questions answered and go to a meeting with detail
10:24:23 so when we come out here we are all on the same page.
10:24:26 I'm just telling you.
10:24:28 Because when we met, and we spent, what, 30, 40 minutes
10:24:33 together, if not longer going over this issue, and I
10:24:36 left with the understanding that this was more
10:24:39 streamlining the process, and actually will help the
10:24:41 process move much faster.
10:24:43 >>JULIA COLE: I truly believe that.
10:24:47 I truly believe that.
10:24:49 We can explain to you why we believe that.
10:24:52 I did that through briefings.
10:24:53 Maybe I didn't make it as clear as I could have.
10:24:56 And I could do that today.
10:24:57 But my view is if this is the will of council if other
10:25:03 folks don't understand that, then I would like to take
10:25:05 the opportunity to be able to discuss that with them,
10:25:09 which is why I suggest that we could go ahead and
10:25:12 remove that portion of it, if it's going to cause any
10:25:15 That doesn't mean we all have to agree, and that I
10:25:18 won't come back to council at some later date and
10:25:20 strenuously recommend this change.
10:25:22 But at the same time, I think I have an obligation to
10:25:26 not just brief City Council members, but if there's
10:25:29 members of the public that have concerns or issues to
10:25:31 get with them as well to the best of my ability.
10:25:34 So that's why I am making this suggestion.
10:25:36 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Well, the motion has been made by
10:25:37 councilman Miranda.
10:25:38 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: The public hearing is not closed.
10:25:42 How can we have a motion?
10:25:43 And I have had my hand up for five minutes here.
10:25:46 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Okay.
10:25:49 Councilman, I don't think you have been ignored.
10:25:52 I think we have all been in discussion.
10:25:54 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: I want to get in the discussion,
10:25:57 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Go ahead.
10:25:57 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: Yeah, I think we are adding
10:25:59 another layer of government here.
10:26:01 We are putting more in the process.
10:26:02 I want to ask Ms. Grimes a question.
10:26:04 Ms. Grimes?
10:26:13 You agree with our city attorney saying to change the
10:26:19 >>GINA GRIMES: I don't agree with the ordinance the way
10:26:20 it's presented.
10:26:23 If she severs the issue that Mr. Goers addressed from
10:26:26 the rest of the changes to the DRC process, I don't
10:26:29 have a problem with you going forward on the first
10:26:31 component, but it's the second component that I have an
10:26:33 issue on.
10:26:35 And it has a tremendous fiscal impact to the city.
10:26:37 It has to.
10:26:38 And I don't even know that that's been evaluated
10:26:40 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: What you are saying is there's
10:26:43 going to be another fee for every process?
10:26:47 >>GINA GRIMES: All I know is it's going to require a
10:26:49 tremendous amount of staff time to have review all
10:26:50 these applications through this DRC process and issue
10:26:54 these reports and schedule all these meetings.
10:26:57 I don't understand why it's even being done.
10:27:01 It just broadens a review process that doesn't merit
10:27:04 that kind of review.
10:27:06 And the TCEA, everybody is correct, it's all been
10:27:09 proceeding for the last couple of years.
10:27:11 It's implementing a comp plan amendment.
10:27:13 I have no problems with that.
10:27:15 But it's the second part of this ordinance that's
10:27:17 completely unrelated to the TCEA that I have an
10:27:23 objection to. If they are severed I have no problem
10:27:26 moving forward with the TCEA portion.
10:27:28 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: I hear we are going to streamline
10:27:31 government, we are going to make it more expedient and
10:27:33 more transparent, and I think we are muddying the
10:27:36 waters by making these changes.
10:27:37 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Well, I disagree with that,
10:27:42 councilman, and we are all entitled to our opinion.
10:27:45 But it sounds like we have a problem with just one area
10:27:49 in this ordinance, from what I gather.
10:27:53 We have two options.
10:27:54 Continue for two weeks as the motion on the floor, the
10:27:57 pull out that section, the DCR section out, but there's
10:28:03 a motion to continue for two weeks.
10:28:05 I think that to continue for two weeks will not hurt
10:28:12 the process as long as we understand when it comes back
10:28:14 we need to move forward on this usual you.
10:28:15 Otherwise, you are getting close to continuing this
10:28:18 process for a whole other year because you have a whole
10:28:22 other board that will be seated, and they will be
10:28:24 trying to vote on something that they don't have a
10:28:26 clear understanding about, nor have they gone through
10:28:28 the process over the last two years.
10:28:29 So I support the two weeks continuance, but at the same
10:28:35 time, I will hope that you will meet with staff and
10:28:40 make sure that we get all our questions answered, and
10:28:47 meet as well with Ms. Cole, Ms. Grimes, and those who
10:28:51 have spoken today to be answer any questions they may
10:28:54 It is my understanding again at our meeting that this
10:28:58 will streamline the process, making it easier so that
10:29:01 you catch everything up front and not allow them in the
10:29:04 process to then get lost or make it more complicated.
10:29:08 So evidently we don't all have the same understanding.
10:29:10 So there's a motion on the floor.
10:29:12 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Was there a second?
10:29:16 >> Yes, there was.
10:29:17 >>MARY MULHERN: I need some clarification.
10:29:19 Because I think if we are going to come back, we don't
10:29:25 want to come back with the same language.
10:29:28 And I think if we are going to continue it, we are
10:29:30 asking to -- I would hope we are asking for keeping the
10:29:37 transportation concurrency language, but removing or
10:29:42 amending the chapter 27 part.
10:29:46 So I just want to make sure we are not back here in two
10:29:49 weeks with the same ordinance and the same problems
10:29:52 with it.
10:29:53 >>MARTIN SHELBY: If I can, just for the maker of the
10:29:57 motion, is it your intention with regard to the TCEA,
10:30:02 you said to separate the two.
10:30:03 What is your intention with regard to the part about
10:30:06 the process?
10:30:07 Did you want that to come back as a separate ordinance
10:30:09 on it would be weeks?
10:30:12 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: If you have been listening like I
10:30:13 have, there's been debate on the issue first of all on
10:30:17 certain council members briefed, not briefed,
10:30:20 misbriefed, unbriefed.
10:30:22 I don't November what's going on with the briefings,
10:30:25 but this is not the White House.
10:30:26 We don't have regular briefings on a daily basis.
10:30:29 But from what I understand, there's been some
10:30:33 miscommunication on a lot of areas.
10:30:37 On page 6 of mine, anyway, submission requirements,
10:30:44 complete application form with applicable fee.
10:30:46 What does that mean?
10:30:48 Preapplication conference.
10:30:49 What does that mean?
10:30:49 Although it's written out.
10:30:51 Review of process for the DRC staff and review with the
10:30:55 DRC plan.
10:30:56 So you went from one or two items to have what I
10:31:00 believe Ms. Grimes is the one that brought it up, eight
10:31:03 of ten, including alcohol zoning.
10:31:07 So if that wasn't clear enough what I said, I don't
10:31:09 know what else is.
10:31:09 >>JULIA COLE: Just so council understands, I
10:31:18 understood the motion to mean I was to bring back the
10:31:20 ordinance about the revision to chapter 27 and that
10:31:22 would be addressed at another time, and we will proceed
10:31:25 forward on that.
10:31:28 Motion for council maybe for a workshop or whatever the
10:31:31 pleasure of council is but I did want to say that the
10:31:33 items, item number 56 will also need to be continued as
10:31:37 But you may still want to hear from staff.
10:31:39 That way you don't have to have a new public hearing on
10:31:42 >> 55.
10:31:45 >> I'm sorry, 55.
10:31:47 Ab new public hearing on that afterwards.
10:31:49 >>THOMAS SCOTT: So we need to continue both items?
10:31:51 Southbound that what you are saying?
10:31:56 >> Those do need to be approved at the same time.
10:31:58 But since it's scheduled for public hearing today, and
10:32:00 I don't believe there's any controversy with the second
10:32:02 item, we may want to just go ahead and hold the public
10:32:05 hearing on that today, and then continue that for two
10:32:08 weeks as well.
10:32:10 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Okay.
10:32:10 Well, let's deal with 54.
10:32:12 The motion is to continue for two weeks.
10:32:13 Moved and seconded.
10:32:14 All in favor signify by saying Aye.
10:32:18 Item 55.
10:32:19 Item 55.
10:32:20 Public hearing.
10:32:20 >>RANDY GOERS: Land Development Coordination division.
10:32:30 We will be asking you continue item 55.
10:32:32 It's mostly a clean-up of the ordinance but there is
10:32:34 one change relating to large-scale review of
10:32:40 transportation impacts that we would be removing in
10:32:41 this ordinance.
10:32:42 And that was going to be inserted in chapter 25
10:32:45 We want to make sure we are not creating a hole in the
10:32:51 We would like to ask you to continue that.
10:32:55 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Based on Mr. Gore's request I would
10:32:56 like to move item 55 to be held concurrently --
10:33:00 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Let me take public testimony first.
10:33:03 Anyone wishing to address council on item 55?
10:33:05 Anyone that would like to address council on item 55?
10:33:10 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Move to continue the public hearing,
10:33:14 continue it for two weeks, both 54 and 5.
10:33:17 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Moved and second, item 55.
10:33:19 All in favor signify by saying Aye.
10:33:22 >>THE CLERK: That's for 10:00.
10:33:25 >>MARTIN SHELBY: For both of them, is that correct?
10:33:27 March 3rd.
10:33:28 >> Well, let me just say to staff, the process I have
10:33:41 followed for 14 years is I like to be briefed on
10:33:44 important items coming before council.
10:33:46 I like to read them.
10:33:47 Then I like to ask the questions.
10:33:49 I like to clearly understand what it is so that when I
10:33:51 come out here that we are on the same page that allows
10:33:54 us an opportunity to move the agenda much faster.
10:33:57 So from my standpoint, I want to be briefed when these
10:34:01 issues come before me.
10:34:02 I think it helps us to understand the legality, all the
10:34:07 legal wording, and cut down on some of the time frame
10:34:12 of discussion.
10:34:13 We will move now to our next item which is item 56.
10:34:22 Our appointments, I believe.
10:34:23 >>SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES: City clerk.
10:34:32 I'm here regarding item 56 through 60.
10:34:35 But we'll take item 56 first.
10:34:39 Architectural Review Commission.
10:34:41 We have two vacancies, and two applicant now.
10:34:51 Mr. Carlin for one of the positions, and taking Julie
10:34:59 Brown's former position, and Charles Jordan for the
10:35:04 alternate position.
10:35:05 I don't know if they are here.
10:35:07 >>THOMAS SCOTT: One minute.
10:35:11 >>MARTIN SHELBY: And Mr --
10:35:17 >>GWEN MILLER: One is Al an alternate.
10:35:19 >>THOMAS SCOTT: We have two positions and two
10:35:30 >> My name is Peter Carlin.
10:35:32 I'm applying for the ARC position.
10:35:37 I will just give a brief description of who I am.
10:35:42 The president of Carlin construction.
10:35:44 We are a small general contractor here in Tampa.
10:35:50 We perform most of our work in South Tampa, and done a
10:35:54 lot of work in the historic Hyde Park district.
10:35:58 We have done quite a few renovations and additions, and
10:36:05 the whole process of working in Hyde Park has given me
10:36:09 a little bit of insight into the workings of the ARC
10:36:13 and the guidelines of the district, and we are
10:36:15 currently working with the Tampa Preservation institute
10:36:18 renovating a house in Ybor City.
10:36:22 My personal resumé includes a master's degree from the
10:36:25 University of Florida.
10:36:29 I also was able to attend the institute of architecture
10:36:34 in Italy where we studied architecture abroad, and upon
10:36:40 graduation in '94 I moved to Tampa and for eight years
10:36:44 I worked for several prominent architectural and
10:36:47 construction firms in the City of Tampa.
10:36:52 In 2002 I incorporated my company, Carlin construction.
10:36:56 We have had a good eight years of experience working in
10:37:00 the Tampa Bay area.
10:37:02 We are currently a member.
10:37:06 (Bell sounds).
10:37:08 >>THOMAS SCOTT: All right.
10:37:08 Is the other applicant here?
10:37:10 Thank you, sir.
10:37:17 So we can decide what we want, one alternate.
10:37:20 What's the pleasure of council on that one?
10:37:21 >>SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES: You have two applicant.
10:37:27 One on your previous memo, Mr. Ahmedic withdrew.
10:37:39 So you only have two, Mr. Carlin and Mr. Jordan.
10:37:42 >> Well, you have to identify which position.
10:37:45 >>SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES: Mr. Carlin for the member
10:37:49 position and Mr. Jordan for the alternate member.
10:37:56 >>CURTIS STOKES: Move Mr. Carlin for the member
10:37:59 position and Mr. Jordan for the alternate.
10:38:02 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Seconded by councilman Caetano.
10:38:04 All in favor?
10:38:06 >> And for the BLC, we have three vacancies and three
10:38:17 Mr. Cowart, Mrs. Vela --
10:38:30 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Three positions.
10:38:31 Three applicants.
10:38:31 Three positions.
10:38:32 Is there a motion by council?
10:38:34 Or do you all want to hear from each one?
10:38:41 Are all three applicants here?
10:38:42 Only one?
10:38:43 If you will come forward, please.
10:38:45 You have one minute.
10:38:46 >> Good morning.
10:38:53 My name is Christopher Vela.
10:38:56 I reside in historic Ybor.
10:38:58 I'm very interested to provide my services for the BLC.
10:39:05 I have experience in architecture in Tampa Bay,
10:39:07 practiced many years here.
10:39:09 And my resumé, I worked for a lot of smaller companies
10:39:14 and larger companies.
10:39:16 I also went to school, did a lot of historic studies
10:39:22 over there, have a bachelors in fine arts, masters in
10:39:26 I contribute a lot to community service in the area.
10:39:28 I have worked with the AIA, with a lot of projects and
10:39:33 overlays, working with the communities through
10:39:36 charrettes, volunteer with the urban charrette.
10:39:39 So I know a lot of people in the area, and I tried to
10:39:42 help them meet with other people to get proposals
10:39:45 through and great ideas to council members and city
10:39:49 community leaders.
10:39:52 I want to see what I can do to assist that.
10:39:55 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you very much.
10:39:59 Next speaker.
10:39:59 >> I'm Kim thrasher, here for the attorney position.
10:40:06 I have been a lawyer for nine years.
10:40:08 I currently work as an associate for thrasher, P.A.
10:40:13 We do solely construction litigation, so I am certainly
10:40:16 well aware of the issues that go in front of the BLC
10:40:18 and things I deal with because of my area of law.
10:40:22 I am very interested in historic preservation,
10:40:24 especially in the Ybor area and in the South Tampa and
10:40:28 downtown area.
10:40:30 I am involved in several other things with the
10:40:32 community including leadership Tampa Bay, which I have
10:40:38 left today in the program to come here.
10:40:40 I am also a member of the committee with the
10:40:41 Hillsborough education foundation, and their new chair,
10:40:47 in September.
10:40:48 I don't want to take up a lot of your time because I
10:40:50 know you have a lot of things to do.
10:40:52 Thank you very much.
10:40:53 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you very much.
10:40:53 >>SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES: Thank you, council.
10:40:57 Mr. Kenneth Cowart was here earlier.
10:41:02 He had to leave.
10:41:03 He's the incumbent.
10:41:04 And we will have Kenneth Cowart for the architect
10:41:10 position, Kimberly Thresher for the attorney position,
10:41:12 and Mr. Christopher Vela for the alternate position.
10:41:19 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Okay.
10:41:21 >> So moved.
10:41:24 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Second.
10:41:26 >>THOMAS SCOTT: All in favor?
10:41:28 >>SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES: Item number 58 is the
10:41:31 reappointment for Dr. Alma Hires for code enforcement
10:41:40 and she couldn't be here.
10:41:41 >> Moved and second.
10:41:42 >> Item 59.
10:41:45 HPC, we have two vacancies and two applicants.
10:41:48 Mr. Mineer for the urban planner position, and Ms.
10:41:53 Devin Barrs for the alternate positions.
10:41:58 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Are they here?
10:42:04 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: The most democratic election I have
10:42:05 ever seen.
10:42:06 >> I won't take much of your time.
10:42:10 Devin Barrs. I'm a civil engineer by trade.
10:42:13 And I have had involvement with all of the requirements
10:42:19 of landscape architecture, architecture, and urban
10:42:22 Thank you.
10:42:22 >>THOMAS SCOTT: A motion?
10:42:26 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: So moved for approval.
10:42:28 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Moved and seconded.
10:42:29 All in favor?
10:42:31 >>SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES: On to item number 59, HPC --
10:42:39 no, number 60, VRB.
10:42:46 This is for Steve LaBour, incumbent for the VRB.
10:42:53 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Motion?
10:42:54 Do you want to say anything?
10:42:58 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: I would like to have this
10:43:00 I have some people that live in my district that did
10:43:03 not get a chance to apply.
10:43:07 I think we need more applicant.
10:43:08 We only have one applicant.
10:43:10 So I would like to have this process opened for two
10:43:18 >>THOMAS SCOTT: How long have -- I guess the question
10:43:21 becomes, how long has this process been opened?
10:43:27 Speak up on the record.
10:43:28 >>SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES: City clerk.
10:43:30 This has been open for quite awhile already.
10:43:33 It's up to you.
10:43:34 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Mr. LaBour, do you want to come
10:43:41 address council?
10:43:42 >> Steve LaBour, 5105 west Azeele street.
10:43:46 It's been a privilege to have been your appointment and
10:43:48 served on the VRB.
10:43:52 When John Weiss left the board I took the remainder of
10:43:55 his term and requesting to be reappointed.
10:43:59 It is a privilege to serve on the board.
10:44:00 And I am the neighborhood watch civic representative.
10:44:05 My background certainly in working with neighborhoods,
10:44:09 I have done that for many years, past president of
10:44:12 I also previously served on the sign code board years
10:44:15 ago when we had that.
10:44:16 Also the Code Enforcement Board.
10:44:19 I actually, when I worked in the city, was actually
10:44:21 involved in many of the ordinances that have to be
10:44:24 interpreted by the VRB, the applicant that come before
10:44:29 I take my job very seriously.
10:44:31 I do my homework.
10:44:33 And I really do enjoy serving on the volunteer board
10:44:37 and more importantly serving the city.
10:44:39 And as your representative.
10:44:40 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you, sir.
10:44:44 Pleasure of council?
10:44:45 >>GWEN MILLER: Was there a motion?
10:44:51 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: The motion is to extend this for
10:44:53 two weeks.
10:44:53 I have a number of people who are interested in
10:44:55 applying for this, people who are well qualified to be
10:44:58 on this board.
10:45:00 >>THOMAS SCOTT: I will only ask the question, Ms.
10:45:07 Knolls, we have one candidate that applied.
10:45:09 Are there any other inquiries?
10:45:11 I believe the inquiry goes to your office.
10:45:13 Is that accurate?
10:45:14 >>> Yes, sir.
10:45:14 >> Did you have any other phone calls or inquiries
10:45:17 relative to this position?
10:45:18 >> Not before the time closed.
10:45:20 Not before the position closed.
10:45:26 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: But calls after the position had
10:45:30 >>SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES: Yes, sir.
10:45:30 >>THOMAS SCOTT: The question becomes then, you know,
10:45:34 to council, we have a process in place.
10:45:40 Then you abide by your process or do you open it back
10:45:44 up when you have a particular person?
10:45:51 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Mr. Chairman, let me say this.
10:45:52 One, two, three, four, five.
10:45:54 I agree with Mr. Caetano's intent, but I also have to
10:45:57 agree that we just, I think, approved four individuals
10:46:05 that had two openings, three for three openings, two
10:46:08 for two openings, and it passed.
10:46:11 So I understand the intent when there's only one.
10:46:14 But, you know, sometimes you go unopposed, and
10:46:17 sometimes you go in the interest of the others.
10:46:21 And certainly in this be case I look at it just like
10:46:24 the supervisor of elections.
10:46:25 If you go in to qualify the day after, guess what
10:46:28 You don't qualify.
10:46:29 I'm not here to support Mr. LaBour or to not support
10:46:32 Mr. LaBour.
10:46:33 I'm saying that's the only one we had at the time this
10:46:36 >>MARY MULHERN: I think a lot of times we have trouble
10:46:43 even finding people to be on board.
10:46:45 So I think it good that you want your constituents to
10:46:47 know about these opportunity.
10:46:49 But I think you need to just recommend that they watch
10:46:52 that in the future.
10:46:55 And I have to say that Mr. LaBour has been doing this
10:46:58 Variance Review Board has a lot of responsibility for
10:47:04 volunteers, and he's been doing this service for a long
10:47:08 And I think he's very deserving of reappointment.
10:47:12 Not that there aren't other people who would be
10:47:17 qualified, but they didn't apply, and I agree we need
10:47:20 to stick with the process we have.
10:47:21 But I think you should let people know, we should all
10:47:24 let people know that there are these opportunities out
10:47:27 there, and for them to, you know, we need to let them
10:47:29 know when it's first posted if there's opportunities to
10:47:36 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Motion, motion, motion.
10:47:37 >>MARY MULHERN: I move to a Mr. LaBour.
10:47:42 >> Second.
10:47:43 >>THOMAS SCOTT: All in favor?
10:47:46 >>CURTIS STOKES: I am going to abstain.
10:47:47 I have a relationship with Mr. LaBour's employer.
10:47:50 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I'm sorry?
10:47:51 >> I need to abstain from voting.
10:47:53 My employer has a relationship with Mr. LaBour's
10:47:59 I apologize.
10:48:00 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I will prepare a form for you.
10:48:02 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried with Stokes abstaining.
10:48:07 >>SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES: If I could go back to item at,
10:48:14 the HPC.
10:48:16 The term ends on May 31st, 2011.
10:48:19 And staff is recommending that the individual approved
10:48:25 be appointed to fill the unexpired term ending May
10:48:29 31st, 2011, also be reappointed to fill the
10:48:34 position for the next three years.
10:48:38 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: If I may ask legal, is that
10:48:41 This is an unexpired term that want to go past the
10:48:44 unexpired term stated, if I understand that.
10:48:51 I would rather not do it this way.
10:48:53 I would rather do it clearly that appointed to that
10:48:56 At that time bring it back and we can go from there.
10:48:58 Just to keep the record clean.
10:49:00 That's my opinion.
10:49:01 >> All right.
10:49:05 >>MARTIN SHELBY: As follow up, that would be my
10:49:08 recommendation as well because May is not only very far
10:49:10 out relative to today's date but you will also have a
10:49:13 different council.
10:49:16 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
10:49:17 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Council, we have a tight schedule this
10:49:21 We are scheduled to adjourn at is 1:00 to meet with the
10:49:25 mayor at the Curtis Hixon park.
10:49:30 So we will have about 12 minutes left.
10:49:32 I would like to move to the water issue.
10:49:35 That is very pressing.
10:49:36 So that's probably going to take a little time.
10:49:40 So I will move to item 64.
10:49:42 And then after that, depending on what time remains, we
10:49:45 probably won't have time to get to anything else so we
10:49:47 have to come back after lunch.
10:49:49 So we will recess then till 1:30.
10:49:53 Till 1:30.
10:49:58 We'll take up item 64.
10:50:02 >> Item 64 is a contract for meter reader services that
10:50:11 we are bringing to you this morning for approval.
10:50:14 It is a contract.
10:50:16 We are piggybacking off the city, off of Hillsborough
10:50:21 The contract was let, and awarded to the county in
10:50:27 August 2010.
10:50:28 This is basically a contract that we are utilizing as
10:50:31 we work through the water bill investigation service.
10:50:34 And it is a contract of the county for water to the
10:50:37 lowest bidder.
10:50:38 If you have any questions about that we can talk about
10:50:43 Mr. Baird is here and Mr. Daignault.
10:50:47 >>THOMAS SCOTT: So my understanding this is for six
10:50:51 positions on a pilot program for six months, as I
10:50:55 >> It is a contract that includes six positions, and we
10:50:59 will utilize this contract for an extended period of
10:51:05 I am not sure if it's six months or not.
10:51:07 We are working to put the city contract in Mace once
10:51:11 they have the opportunity to get that awarded.
10:51:12 >> So then you are looking at a bid process in terms of
10:51:20 putting an RFP out?
10:51:22 >> For the City of Tampa.
10:51:23 >> And so that means that they would do the meter
10:51:25 reading on a month, every-month basis?
10:51:30 >> Correct.
10:51:31 >> Councilman Caetano, then councilman Miranda.
10:51:37 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: Per meter.
10:51:42 We have 124,000 meters.
10:51:44 Comes out to about $600,000.
10:51:46 And you are asking for 100,000.
10:51:48 >> I am going to ask Mr. Daignault to address that
10:51:53 question regarding the number of readings.
10:51:55 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: Okay.
10:51:57 >>STEVE DAIGNAULT: Yes, sir, it's 56 cents per read of
10:52:00 the meters.
10:52:01 That's correct.
10:52:01 >> And that's on a monthly basis?
10:52:04 >> That's on a monthly basis.
10:52:07 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: That comes to a little over
10:52:10 Why are we asking for 100,000?
10:52:12 >>STEVE DAIGNAULT: Because at this point, I am going
10:52:14 to call them cycles, but consider them zones, areas of
10:52:17 the city.
10:52:19 We have 21 zones, cycles that we go through.
10:52:24 At this point we are going to start with a particular
10:52:27 cycle which is cycle 7.
10:52:29 Then we are going to add in a month, we are going to
10:52:31 add cycle 10.
10:52:33 And then the month after that we are going to add cycle
10:52:37 This is our way of kind of moving into this again
10:52:41 once-a-month read.
10:52:42 We are going to have to use both contracted personnel,
10:52:47 meter readers and city meter readers to do this.
10:52:49 >> But you are still only going to read 124,000 meters.
10:52:55 >>STEVE DAIGNAULT: Correct, but not all at the same
10:53:00 We are going to spread it out over some time before we
10:53:02 read them monthly.
10:53:05 >> 124,000 meters at 56 cents a piece comes to a little
10:53:08 over 600,000.
10:53:11 Whether you read them sporadically because you are
10:53:14 going to add seven and ten and then five, I think you
10:53:17 >>STEVE DAIGNAULT: Correct.
10:53:19 So that's all we are trying to cover at this time with
10:53:22 this piggyback contract is just those cycles.
10:53:25 We are not trying to cover all 21 cycles, just this
10:53:30 piece, until week get our contract out and advertised.
10:53:33 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Councilman Miranda.
10:53:38 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: As you well New York City we
10:53:39 discussed the once a month meter reading takes best way
10:53:41 of solving our long-term goals and bringing up the
10:53:47 responsibility not only of the city but the comfort
10:53:49 level of the rate payers.
10:53:52 And I think this is a step in the right direction.
10:53:54 Where some of these meters are going to be read once a
10:53:57 month, and once we get that and compare the average of
10:54:03 that as a change, why did it change?
10:54:06 How come it changed?
10:54:07 How come it didn't change compared to other zones?
10:54:09 Then we will get a true reading of what's going on so
10:54:13 that we can determine the process of which is best for
10:54:15 the rate payers and the city.
10:54:18 And I agree that we should take a step at a time to
10:54:24 hire an additional 13 or 14 water meter readers at this
10:54:28 time, would be great.
10:54:30 However, let's find out what the problems are first so
10:54:33 we can go forward and determine the actual causation of
10:54:38 these problems so that the city can go forward with
10:54:42 their best interests to serve their customers.
10:54:44 >>MARY MULHERN: I'm wondering, would you say that this
10:54:58 request and this hiring the additional readers and this
10:55:03 contract for readers, is this part of your
10:55:06 Or has it been determined that this is part of the
10:55:10 problem, or both, that led to the unusual number of
10:55:16 high meter readings?
10:55:18 Or high billing?
10:55:20 High billings.
10:55:20 I shouldn't say meter readings.
10:55:22 >>STEVE DAIGNAULT: The task force has not finished its
10:55:25 work so I am going to be reluctant to say that it is a
10:55:28 However, as we are approaching these problems, and as
10:55:32 we are looking at our system, we are finding that in
10:55:37 many cases we would like to have -- and to use your
10:55:40 words, Councilwoman Mulhern, more data.
10:55:43 Reading every other month just gives us a small amount
10:55:46 of information.
10:55:48 And so reading monthly gives us more information.
10:55:52 It also reduces the risk if someone does have a break
10:55:55 or leak in their system.
10:55:56 So we think we would like to go there regardless of
10:56:02 where the recommendations are from the task force.
10:56:05 >>MARY MULHERN: I think that sounds like a very good
10:56:10 thing to do, because we have been hearing from various
10:56:14 people, and I'm sure you found this out with your water
10:56:17 department and with your task force, that meter reading
10:56:23 could be a big part of the problem.
10:56:27 My concern and what I would like to hear, and I think
10:56:30 that people need to be reassured, is that you are
10:56:33 looking at the other possible systemic problems, and I
10:56:40 don't know if you can answer this or Mr. Baird, but he
10:56:43 told us that there were a number of positions lost.
10:56:47 So were some of those positions meter readers?
10:56:58 >>BRAD BAIRD: Water department.
10:57:00 I sent a summary e-mail on that a few days ago, I think
10:57:04 earlier this week, giving that breakdown.
10:57:07 None of those positions were meter readers.
10:57:11 >>MARY MULHERN: Fine.
10:57:13 And I did read that.
10:57:14 I just didn't remember right now at the moment.
10:57:18 Are you also looking at the billing process as far as
10:57:27 not redesigning the bills, which is one of the things
10:57:33 you said, but actually the possibility that combining
10:57:39 the departments and changing the people who are in
10:57:44 charge of the billing might have something to do with
10:57:47 >>STEVE DAIGNAULT: Yes, ma'am.
10:57:47 I think I have said before that we are looking at this
10:57:50 entire process from the beginning from when the meter
10:57:53 goes in the ground to where we read to the its
10:57:55 operation -- every step of the way, testing the
10:58:04 equipment as well as the people involved.
10:58:09 And we are, as you mentioned, we are looking at the
10:58:11 bill itself, the format of the bill itself as well.
10:58:14 All of this process.
10:58:15 >>MARY MULHERN: It would be helpful, I think, for us
10:58:21 to know because there were so many eliminated positions
10:58:23 in the water department, even though they weren't meter
10:58:26 readers, I thought I understood that one of them was
10:58:29 actually supervisor over the meters.
10:58:42 >>BRAD BAIRD: One of the positions was a manager at the
10:58:44 previous utility accounting division that was
10:58:46 eliminated, actually before the water department took
10:58:49 The other position was we had two supervisors over an
10:58:56 entire group that was providing meter services and
10:59:00 meter readings.
10:59:01 That group has been split into two with two equivalent
10:59:05 So the net change there essentially was zero.
10:59:08 >> Were they the same people?
10:59:11 Or --
10:59:12 >> One of those supervisors retired last fall, early
10:59:16 last fall.
10:59:17 The other one is the same, that is over the meter
10:59:20 reading now.
10:59:21 >> So I guess what I'm trying to understand is you did
10:59:27 lose a lot of positions in the water department, 34
10:59:31 How much money was that?
10:59:32 It seems to me that this expenditure you are asking us
10:59:36 to approve is probably a lot less than the savings you
10:59:40 had with all those layoffs.
10:59:42 So it may be that we are starting to make up for maybe
10:59:50 some of the loss of personnel with spending on the
10:59:54 contract and city workers.
10:59:57 >>BRAD BAIRD: I don't have those numbers off the top of
10:59:58 my head but I could get those.
11:00:00 My sense is I think you are right that it is less.
11:00:04 What we are asking you to spend here is less than what
11:00:06 the layoffs were associated with.
11:00:09 >>MARY MULHERN: I would like to have that next time
11:00:13 you give a report.
11:00:13 Thank you very much.
11:00:14 >>THOMAS SCOTT: And it's somewhat of a pilot program.
11:00:20 But if you are doing this over a long period it could
11:00:22 be a lot more expensive.
11:00:24 So we don't know yet.
11:00:27 So that's what we don't know.
11:00:31 That's the question here.
11:00:35 So then -- councilman Stokes.
11:00:41 >>CURTIS STOKES: I have a couple questions of Mr.
11:00:45 The meter reading, I was a little concerned about the
11:00:49 How much is the salary of a meter reader,
11:00:54 >> We can get that for you, sir.
11:00:56 I'm sorry, and I hate to give you a wrong number.
11:00:59 >>CURTIS STOKES: The reason I ask, because this is a
11:01:01 six-month pilot that we are spending $100,000.
11:01:03 >>STEVE DAIGNAULT: I just want to say we are committed
11:01:07 to doing this.
11:01:08 The administration is committed to doing monthly reads
11:01:11 throughout our system.
11:01:15 It's a pilot, kind of a shakedown but we want to move
11:01:19 in that direction.
11:01:20 >> That's $16,000 per position for the next six months.
11:01:36 >>BRAD BAIRD: The 100,000, as I understand, is to cover
11:01:39 the meter reading for those cycles for six months so it
11:01:43 reading 21,000 meters, a little over 21,000 meters for
11:01:46 those three cycles, 7,000 meters each.
11:01:51 Over that six-month period.
11:01:53 That's my understanding.
11:01:53 >> The cost of 16,000 a month?
11:01:59 >> Yes, roughly.
11:02:00 >> The average meter reader reads how many meters a
11:02:07 >>BRAD BAIRD: About -- a month, well, they will be
11:02:12 reading, for instance, cycle 7.
11:02:14 They will start reading on the 23rd of February,
11:02:18 read for three days, a crew of six.
11:02:23 In those three days they will read 7,000 meters.
11:02:25 >> And the average meter reader reads --
11:02:30 >> 350 to 450 meters a day.
11:02:32 >> My train of thought is, if we are paying $16,000 a
11:02:41 month for six meter readers and the average meter
11:02:43 reader makes hypothetically $35,000 a year, that's an
11:02:48 average of about $2,000 a month net.
11:02:52 And we are paying 14, eight times more?
11:03:01 >>BRAD BAIRD: We are paying per meter read.
11:03:02 So TV $100,000 may be more than we need just for this
11:03:06 roll-out and initiation.
11:03:08 We may be able to use that for additional reads.
11:03:12 If this proves successful in the next three months.
11:03:15 >>STEVE DAIGNAULT: I think your point is it could be
11:03:23 cost effective to do that.
11:03:26 >>CURTIS STOKES: I think it's more that we are paying.
11:03:28 >> To have it contracted?
11:03:30 >>CURTIS STOKES: We are paying $16,000 to read meters
11:03:32 for the next six months.
11:03:35 We hired a meter reader paying $35,000 a year which is
11:03:45 less expensive per month, isn't it?
11:03:48 >> For in-house?
11:03:50 I'm not sure which way you are saying.
11:03:52 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Well, you probably haven't factored in
11:03:58 the compensation, health insurance and all those other
11:04:00 issues that may be a factor.
11:04:02 Which is part of the package.
11:04:03 >>STEVE DAIGNAULT: We believe it is cheaper at this
11:04:07 point based on the price that's in that contract, it's
11:04:11 cheaper if we did it all by contract.
11:04:14 We don't think we can get there, and we don't think we
11:04:17 really want to get there.
11:04:18 We would like to have a mix of in-house and contract.
11:04:25 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Any other questions by council?
11:04:27 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: Are we going to be paying based
11:04:34 on 607 cents or --
11:04:37 >> We are going to be paying 56 cents per read.
11:04:40 >> Per reading.
11:04:41 How many et meters are they going to read in a week
11:04:48 >>BRAD BAIRD: In the three days associated with cycle
11:04:50 7, they will read over 7,000 meters from February
11:04:53 23rd to February --
11:04:56 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: How many readers are there going
11:04:58 to be?
11:04:59 >>BRAD BAIRD: Six readers.
11:05:04 And they will do the same the following month
11:05:06 associated with cycle 10.
11:05:09 And then -- 7 and 10.
11:05:13 And then the following month associated with cycle 5;
11:05:18 7, some and 5.
11:05:19 >> So these people are going to be come -- they are
11:05:23 with the contractor contracted with the county.
11:05:25 Are there benefits to those people that are going to be
11:05:27 doing that?
11:05:28 >> I don't know that but maybe Mr. Spearman would.
11:05:30 >>STEVE DAIGNAULT: So we are paying 56 cents to the
11:05:36 Whatever benefits he has are between him and his
11:05:39 So we are not paying benefits on top of that price.
11:05:42 That is our net gross price.
11:05:46 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: And how many weeks are they going
11:05:47 to do that at 7,000 meters a week?
11:05:54 You said they are going to -- six men are going to read
11:05:56 7,000 meters in a cycle.
11:05:57 >>STEVE DAIGNAULT: Correct.
11:06:00 It takes them about three days to do that.
11:06:02 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Is there a motion?
11:06:12 >>GWEN MILLER: Move the resolution.
11:06:13 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Moved and seconded.
11:06:14 All in favor?
11:06:18 Mr. Daignault, before you leave, Mrs. Lopez, we had
11:06:24 someone again raise the issue.
11:06:25 >>GWEN MILLER: Young lady, come up.
11:06:28 >>THOMAS SCOTT: I just want to find out -- well --
11:06:31 >>STEVE DAIGNAULT: I saw the comments this morning and
11:06:33 I can provide you some folks about the O'Malley and the
11:06:37 Lopez issues.
11:06:37 I will be glad to do that.
11:06:38 >>GWEN MILLER: The young lady --
11:06:41 >> Well, I just want to make sure, Steve, that -- Mr.
11:06:46 Daignault, that I don't know if she got her information
11:06:49 from the paper or not.
11:06:50 The paper is not always -- I guess we need to address
11:06:57 the concern to make sure that Ms. Lopez is being
11:07:00 treated fairly.
11:07:01 >> We have been trying to contact Ms. Lopez for over a
11:07:04 She did not return our calls.
11:07:06 We have called.
11:07:07 We have just recently sent her a letter.
11:07:10 We will be contacting her and trying to work that out
11:07:12 to her agreement.
11:07:14 >>GWEN MILLER: Mr. Daignault, would you meet with this
11:07:17 young lady representing Ms. Lopez?
11:07:19 She can probably get in touch with her.
11:07:22 Would you meet with her?
11:07:23 >>STEVE DAIGNAULT: Yes, ma'am, I will.
11:07:24 Be glad to.
11:07:25 >>THOMAS SCOTT: We need to leave.
11:07:26 But we do have one person here.
11:07:29 Steve, I was trying to get you there you this item 62
11:07:32 on the WalMart issue, on the sidewalk.
11:07:35 Will that take a lot of time?
11:07:38 >>STEVE DAIGNAULT: Again, we wanted to a sure Mr.
11:07:40 Steenson that we are going to build the sidewalk, and I
11:07:42 guess it's actually sidewalks, one on Pearl and one on
11:07:46 Lois that he's talking about, and we do have the money
11:07:48 and we are going to be putting it into our program.
11:07:51 So it's not going to be too far off.
11:07:55 He seems to be concerned about the use of impact fee
11:08:00 We can certainly turn to our attorneys and let them
11:08:02 advise us.
11:08:02 But again I want to commit to him that we will be
11:08:05 building that sidewalk, and we do have the funds to do
11:08:08 It will not be impact fee dollars but we do have the
11:08:11 funds to do it.
11:08:12 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Okay.
11:08:13 So in response to Mr. Steenson, the sidewalks will get
11:08:20 >> Yes, sir.
11:08:20 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Going into the program and it will be
11:08:23 >>STEVE DAIGNAULT: That's correct.
11:08:25 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: If the issue comes up again,
11:08:27 because he pointed out that according to our rules,
11:08:30 whatever you want to call it, that the sidewalks can be
11:08:33 built out of impact fee funds.
11:08:35 This is what he said here this morning.
11:08:36 >>STEVE DAIGNAULT: And at that point I am going to let
11:08:39 our attorneys advise us, because again that's how I
11:08:42 have always been advised.
11:08:44 The attorneys tell me what we can or cannot do with
11:08:46 those impact fee dollars.
11:08:48 So I would let the attorneys determine that for us.
11:08:50 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: All right.
11:08:53 >>THOMAS SCOTT: All right, thank you.
11:08:54 We need to open item 68 and continue that item.
11:08:58 I believe Mr. Pierson is here.
11:09:03 >>GWEN MILLER: Move to open.
11:09:04 >> Second.
11:09:05 >>THOMAS SCOTT: All in favor?
11:09:06 Would you state on the record you want this item
11:09:10 Item 68.
11:09:13 Is it 68?
11:09:15 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Yes, 68, I believe.
11:09:16 >> V-11, 68, Kennedy and Newport.
11:09:26 We have become aware of some new information this
11:09:29 We have been working with the neighborhood and would
11:09:31 like to request a continuance.
11:09:34 >>THOMAS SCOTT: That's Kennedy and New Port.
11:09:36 That's 67.
11:09:37 >> Yes.
11:09:42 >> Could we have a motion to open number 67?
11:09:45 >> The motion is number 67.
11:09:48 Just to reflect that accurately.
11:09:50 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Continue to when?
11:09:52 >> March 24th.
11:09:53 >> So that's close to university of Tampa and the New
11:09:55 Tampa General Hospital.
11:09:56 Am I correct?
11:09:59 >> Yes.
11:10:00 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: That's by the railroad tracks on New
11:10:04 >> Yes.
11:10:05 >>MARTIN SHELBY: If you can ask if there's anybody who
11:10:07 has opposition.
11:10:07 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Does anyone in the audience have
11:10:09 opposition to this continuance?
11:10:11 Anyone in the audience have opposition?
11:10:13 >> That's at 10:30.
11:10:16 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: So moved.
11:10:16 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Is there a second?
11:10:18 >> Second.
11:10:19 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Moved and seconded.
11:10:20 All in favor?
11:10:21 >>MARTIN SHELBY: March 24, 10:30 a.m.
11:10:24 >>THOMAS SCOTT: We have to go.
11:10:25 >> I had the appeal left on the agenda, if we could
11:10:29 move that to March 17th, I would appreciate
11:10:32 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Item 69?
11:10:36 >> Review.
11:10:40 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Continue to when?
11:10:41 >> March 17th.
11:10:43 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Move to open 69.
11:10:44 >> Second.
11:10:46 >>THOMAS SCOTT: All in favor?
11:10:47 Anyone here object to this request today?
11:10:49 Continue this item?
11:10:51 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Move to continue to March 17th,
11:10:56 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Moved and second.
11:10:57 Anyone from the public?
11:10:58 Anyone from the public?
11:11:00 Moved and second.
11:11:01 All in favor signify by saying Aye.
11:11:09 We stand in recess until 1:30.
11:11:11 Thank you.
11:11:11 (Meeting recessed at 11:11 a.m.)
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TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
Thursday, February 17, 2011
1:30 p.m. session
13:35:39 >>GWEN MILLER: Tampa City Council is called back to
13:35:41 Roll call.
13:35:42 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: Here.
13:35:48 >>CURTIS STOKES: Present.
13:35:50 >>GWEN MILLER: We are going to go back to staff
13:35:54 Item number 61.
13:36:00 Anyone here for 61, the resolution?
13:36:02 Do we need to say anything about the resolution?
13:36:05 If not can we get the motion to pass it?
13:36:08 >> So moved.
13:36:08 >> Second.
13:36:09 >>GWEN MILLER: All in favor?
13:36:11 >>JULIA COLE: Continued.
13:36:15 >>GWEN MILLER: Okay.
13:36:18 What about 62?
13:36:30 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: 63 is done.
13:36:31 64 is passed.
13:36:33 >>GWEN MILLER: 65.
13:36:37 Public hearing to be open, public hearing.
13:36:40 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: So moved.
13:36:42 >>GWEN MILLER: I have a motion and second.
13:36:43 Anyone that's going to speak, please stand and raise
13:36:45 your hand to be sworn in.
13:36:46 (Oath administered by Clerk)
13:36:59 >>CATHERINE COYLE: Land development.
13:37:00 Case V-10-377, 401 East Jackson Street, suite 101,
13:37:07 directly across the street from Jackson street bistro,
13:37:10 their restaurant operates between 7 a.m. and 3 p.m.,
13:37:15 asking for two distance separation waivers for
13:37:17 establishments selling alcohol you can beverages, from
13:37:20 1,000 to 250 feet and reducing the distance separation
13:37:23 from institute substitutional uses from 1,000 to 2380
13:37:28 The units contain 3400 square feet interior, total of
13:37:35 4476 square feet.
13:37:37 No parking is required in the downtown for restaurant
13:37:40 Therefore there is no waiver for that request.
13:37:42 On page 2, 3, 4 and 5, two through five includes the
13:37:50 criteria for special use for small venue alcoholic
13:37:53 They are requesting an "R" designation which does
13:37:56 require annual reporting.
13:38:08 You will note on page 2 of the staff report there is a
13:38:10 site plan modification needed between first and second
13:38:13 They did state on the site plan the incorrect distance
13:38:17 separation requirements.
13:38:18 They had it instead of 250 feet at 280.
13:38:21 They had it at the higher number so that can be
13:38:23 corrected before second reading.
13:38:25 There were no objections from staff.
13:38:27 Officer Miller advised that he could not be present
13:38:30 today and asked me to relay to the staff report as well
13:38:33 there were no objections from TPD.
13:38:34 >>GWEN MILLER: Petitioner?
13:38:36 >> Joseph roll, attorney for Mr. Spick cola gourmet
13:38:48 He owns the restaurant.
13:38:49 What we are doing is trying to expand the business,
13:38:51 obviously, during the daylight hours
13:38:54 After that it gets very slow.
13:38:56 The occupancy of the building has gone from 1100 down
13:38:59 to 800.
13:39:00 He currently employs 12 people.
13:39:03 If a license is granted he will probably hire another
13:39:05 three or four people in order to stay open and handle
13:39:10 I appreciate no objection from any of the neighbors.
13:39:14 That's who we sent the mailings to.
13:39:16 And obviously we feel it this would benefit the
13:39:18 downtown community as well.
13:39:19 >>GWEN MILLER: Is there anyone in the public that
13:39:20 wants to speak on item number 65?
13:39:22 >> Move to close.
13:39:30 >>GWEN MILLER: I have a motion and second to close.
13:39:35 Mr. Miranda, will you read it?
13:39:37 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Move an ordinance approving a
13:39:39 special use permit SU making lawful the sale of
13:39:45 beverages continuing regardless of alcoholic content
13:39:48 beer wine and liquor on couples on premises only in
13:39:51 connection with a restaurant business establishment at
13:39:54 that certain lot, plot, tract of land at 401 East
13:39:57 Jackson Street, suite 101, Tampa, Florida, imposing
13:40:01 certain conditions based upon the location of a,
13:40:07 providing an effective date.
13:40:08 >>GWEN MILLER: I have a motion and second.
13:40:10 All in favor?
13:40:12 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried with Scott being absent at
13:40:14 Second reading of the ordinance will be held March
13:40:17 3rd at 9:30 a.m.
13:40:18 >>GWEN MILLER: Item number 67.
13:40:38 Motion and second, all in favor say Aye.
13:40:58 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: This is the one that was continued.
13:41:05 >>CATHERINE COYLE: The one that was just passed
13:41:06 originally was the case that was continued.
13:41:08 I will get those back at the end.
13:41:10 Case V-11-80, the WalMart located at the intersection
13:41:14 of 275 and Dale Mabry.
13:41:17 You will note that it on the north side of 275.
13:41:21 The operation is open 24 hours.
13:41:23 They are going to follow the operational hours for
13:41:25 chapter 3 requirements.
13:41:28 There's a minor site plan modification that's needed
13:41:30 between first and second reading.
13:41:32 Correcting the square footage for the unit.
13:41:36 162,195 square feet.
13:41:39 With regard to a major renovation on this particular
13:41:41 property, updating the WalMart store, which did
13:41:44 increase some of the square footage they have by adding
13:41:47 groceries to the unit.
13:41:52 The property is 17.278 acres for a total of 737 parking
13:41:57 Only 656 are required on-site.
13:42:00 There are two distance separation waivers, one for
13:42:02 residential, the other for other eating establishments.
13:42:07 Noted on page 1, the establishment and the specified
13:42:10 uses are noted on page 2.
13:42:12 The site plan modification needed is on page 2 as well.
13:42:15 And pages 3 through 5 include the criteria for this
13:42:19 particular special use.
13:42:21 There were no objections from staff other than the
13:42:23 modification needed as well as from TPD.
13:42:26 >>GWEN MILLER: Petitioner?
13:42:29 >> Good afternoon.
13:42:35 Kim Madison.
13:42:36 With me is Scott Gilner, the project engineer,
13:42:40 Kimley-Horn and associates.
13:42:43 As stated this property was actually wet zoned in 2008.
13:42:46 We are seeking a new special use approval to
13:42:49 accommodate changes in the building footprint from the
13:42:52 expansion of the store.
13:42:52 We are in agreement with staff's recommendation of
13:42:55 consistency with the land development regulations, and
13:42:57 we are in the process of addressing the site plan
13:43:00 modifications that they have requested.
13:43:03 We are happy to answer any other questions you have.
13:43:05 >>GWEN MILLER: Is there anyone in the public that
13:43:07 wants to speak on item 68?
13:43:09 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Move to close.
13:43:10 >> Second.
13:43:11 >>THOMAS SCOTT: All in favor?
13:43:12 >>MARY MULHERN: I move an ordinance approving a
13:43:21 special using SU-2 making lawful the sale of beverages
13:43:25 containing alcohol of more than is% by weight not more
13:43:28 than 14% by wait weight and wines regardless of
13:43:31 alcoholic content beer and wine 2(APS) in sealed
13:43:34 containers for consumption on premises only at or from
13:43:36 that certain lot, plot or tract of land located at
13:43:39 15075 North Dale Mabry highway, Tampa, Florida as more
13:43:43 particularly described in section 2 hereof providing
13:43:45 for repeal of all ordinances in conflict, providing an
13:43:48 effective date.
13:43:48 >>GWEN MILLER: We have a motion and second.
13:43:51 All in favor of the motion?
13:43:54 >> Motion carried with Scott being absent at vote.
13:43:57 Second reading of the ordinance will be held March
13:43:59 3rd at 9:30 a.m.
13:44:01 >>GWEN MILLER: Item 69 was continued.
13:44:06 Information from council members.
13:44:08 Does anybody have information?
13:44:12 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: We did that already.
13:44:14 Move to receive and file the document up to date.
13:44:17 >>GWEN MILLER: Motion and second.
13:44:18 All in favor say Aye.
13:44:19 Opposed, nay.
13:44:20 If there's nothing else to come before council, we
13:44:21 stand adjourned.
13:44:54 (The meeting adjourned at 1:45 p.m.)
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