TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
Thursday, April 7, 2011
9:00 a.m. session
The following represents an unedited version of
realtime captioning which should neither be relied upon
for complete accuracy nor used as a verbatim
The original of this file was produced in all capital
letters and any variation thereto may be a result of
third party edits and software compatibility issues.
Any person who needs a verbatim transcript of the
proceedings may need to hire a court reporter.
09:01:53 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Please stand for the invocation and
09:01:58 remain standing for the pledge of allegiance.
09:02:00 >>STEVE MICHELINI: The promise.
09:02:02 The Lord is our refuge and our fortress, in God we
09:02:06 Under his wings we shall fly.
09:02:10 The Lord has given us a good earth to sustain us and
09:02:14 protect us.
09:02:15 He's graced us with the many stars to light our way at
09:02:17 night and the sun to warm us in the day.
09:02:19 He's given us wonderful animals of the sea and the land
09:02:22 to nurture us.
09:02:25 Lord, keep our servicemen and women, law enforcement
09:02:28 officers, civil servants, firefighters safe wherever
09:02:31 they are, whether they are serving here or overseas.
09:02:34 Hold them in your loving hand.
09:02:35 Protect them as they protect us.
09:02:38 Give them your power and your spirit, your guidance and
09:02:42 your shield to protect them.
09:02:44 Keep those currently serving and those who have gone
09:02:47 before us in our thoughts and prayers.
09:02:49 They are the reason we have many of the freedoms that
09:02:51 we enjoy today.
09:02:52 We now call upon you to bestow and enrich each gathered
09:02:57 here today with wisdom, I did vine guidance and your
09:03:00 We ask that you problem text our newly-elected mayor,
09:03:04 our City Council, as they embark upon a fateful journey
09:03:08 in guiding the city.
09:03:09 We ask that God's shield will protect us, your glory
09:03:12 will humble us, your power will defend us, your wisdom
09:03:15 will enlighten us, your goodness will supply us and
09:03:18 your grace will heal us.
09:03:20 Your mercy there to pardon us, your joy is there to
09:03:22 strengthen us.
09:03:24 Your promise is to cherish your spirit, and your
09:03:27 strength to empower us.
09:03:29 Behold the mighty power of grace and glory of Lord God
09:03:33 and all those here today everything revealed to them
09:03:36 and we ask you to focus the power, the light, the
09:03:39 wisdom and fortitude showered down upon your people and
09:03:42 all those who appear here today and upon Tampa's mayor
09:03:45 and City Council as they seek to govern and guide your
09:03:48 people in a fair and equitable manner.
09:03:51 We ask this in your name.
09:03:53 [ Pledge of Allegiance ]
09:03:56 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Roll call.
09:04:17 [Roll Call]
09:04:17 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Present.
09:41:02 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Present.
09:41:04 >>FRANK REDDICK: Here.
09:41:06 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Here.
09:41:07 >>MARY MULHERN: Here.
09:41:08 >>HARRY COHEN: Here.
09:41:11 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Here.
09:04:30 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: At this time, I need a motion from
09:04:31 council to adopt the minutes of the session of regular
09:04:35 council session of March 24, 29 and April 1.
09:04:39 So moved by Councilwoman Mulhern, seconded by Mr.
09:04:44 All in favor of the motion please indicate by saying
09:04:48 The Ayes have it unanimously.
09:04:51 At this time the chair yield to our city clerk Shirley
09:04:53 Foxx-Knowles for the election of chairman of the
09:04:58 community redevelopment committee.
09:04:59 >>SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES: City clerk for the City of
09:05:05 We will now conduct the election for chair and vice
09:05:09 chair for the Community Redevelopment Agency.
09:05:12 Here are the election guidelines.
09:05:15 The election of the chairman will be held first.
09:05:18 Nominations do not require a second.
09:05:21 Please wait to be recognized before nominating a
09:05:24 I will open the nominations and close them after all
09:05:28 nominations have been made.
09:05:30 Votes will be counted by raising the hand.
09:05:33 The vote will be taken in the order of the nomination
09:05:36 beginning with the first name nominated.
09:05:39 The vote will cease as soon as there is a majority
09:05:42 which requires four votes.
09:05:45 Having said that, nominations are now in order for
09:05:52 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I guess there is no chair.
09:05:53 >> I nominate Mary Mulhern.
09:05:58 >>THE CLERK: Mary Mulhern has been nominated.
09:06:01 Is there another nomination?
09:06:07 >> Frank Reddick.
09:06:10 >>THE CLERK: Frank Reddick has been nominated.
09:06:13 Is there another nomination?
09:06:16 We will close on Mary Mulhern and Frank Reddick.
09:06:20 All in favor of Mary Mulhern, will you raise your hand?
09:06:27 All in favor of Frank Reddick, please raise your hand.
09:06:33 Thank you.
09:06:35 Would the new chair like to say a few words ever?
09:06:41 >>FRANK REDDICK: I thank you for your vote of
09:06:44 Lie forward to working with everyone.
09:06:48 >>THE CLERK: Nominations are now in order for vice
09:06:52 Is there a nomination?
09:07:03 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I nominate Mary Mulhern.
09:07:05 >>THE CLERK: Mary Mulhern has been nominated.
09:07:09 Is there another nomination?
09:07:13 Is there a nomination for acclimation of Mary Mulhern?
09:07:18 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: So moved.
09:07:21 >>THE CLERK: All in favor?
09:07:23 All right.
09:07:23 Would the vice chair like to say a few word?
09:07:26 >>MARY MULHERN: Looking forward to continuing the good
09:07:28 work that the council has done as the CRA board, and
09:07:32 thank you for the appointment.
09:07:33 >>MARY MULHERN: Congratulations to the chair and vice
09:07:39 I would like to turn the meeting over to the chair.
09:07:45 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much, Shirley.
09:07:46 On the approval of the agenda, there are some items, I
09:07:48 believe that should be addressed, and some items that
09:07:52 might be altered or taken out, and I yield back to the
09:07:55 city clerk for any information regarding the agenda.
09:07:58 >>THE CLERK: (off microphone) committee appointments
09:08:33 to be made at the April 7th meeting.
09:08:38 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: If I may speak to that.
09:08:39 The reason for this -- and we had a meeting the other
09:08:41 day -- is that the rule 2-C calls for the second
09:08:45 meeting after we get sworn in.
09:08:51 Well, that could be two or three weeks away, and
09:08:53 government would be somewhat at a standstill.
09:08:56 And we certainly don't want the agenda to come out like
09:08:59 they are today with no individuals in charge of public
09:09:04 works or in charge of finance or in charge of parks and
09:09:07 recreation and so forth and so on.
09:09:09 So I thought it would be best if we would alter that
09:09:12 rule today by waiving the rules so I can submit that
09:09:17 into the record, and next week we could have the record
09:09:21 very clear, very explicit as to where we all sit as far
09:09:24 as standing committees.
09:09:25 So that's why I brought that up.
09:09:29 Need a motion to waive the rules.
09:09:33 >>FRANK REDDICK: Move to waive rules.
09:09:35 >>MARY MULHERN: Second.
09:09:37 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: All in favor?
09:09:39 The rules are now waived.
09:09:40 So we can enter the standing committees that were
09:09:44 submitted to the clerk's office and be printed for the
09:09:47 next agenda.
09:09:48 I appreciate it very much, council members.
09:09:49 >>SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES: The next business item,
09:09:56 council has scheduled a 30-minute workshop on April
09:09:58 28th to allow for a representative of the
09:10:01 Hillsborough County Planning Commission to identify
09:10:04 potential major issues to be considered in the comp
09:10:08 plan for overall Hillsborough County.
09:10:13 Council will need to make a motion to schedule the
09:10:15 workshop for a time certain at 9:30 on April 28th.
09:10:23 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Motion made by Ms. Mulhern, seconded
09:10:25 by Mr. Cohen.
09:10:26 All in favor of that motion indicate by saying Aye,
09:10:28 opposed nay.
09:10:29 The Ayes have it unanimously.
09:10:31 >>SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES: For substitution of agenda
09:10:34 items, we have item 28, and we have a memorandum from
09:10:42 the legal department transmitting substitute ordinance
09:10:47 to correct the name to Kiley Gardens park.
09:10:54 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: That comes at 9:30 as a substitution
09:10:57 on page 7, I believe, of my agenda, and we'll do that
09:11:00 at 9:30.
09:11:01 >>SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES: Lastly, we have a quarterback
09:11:04 for continuance.
09:11:06 of item 26 having to do with a proposal of mercury
09:11:14 >>MARY MULHERN: I spoke with Vince Pardo from YCDC and
09:11:25 with Mark Huey, and they had agreed to put this item on
09:11:31 the agenda for our CRA meeting, and also then to
09:11:37 continue this to our next regular meeting which is two
09:11:41 weeks from today, whatever date that is.
09:11:44 So I would like to move that we remove that from the
09:11:47 consent item and place them on the agenda for the next
09:11:53 regular meeting.
09:11:55 Continue it to our next regular meeting.
09:11:57 And I believe it's already been placed on the CRA
09:12:01 agenda, or will be.
09:12:04 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion by Ms. Mulhern,
09:12:05 seconded by -- all right, Mr. Suarez.
09:12:09 All in favor of that motion indicate by saying Aye.
09:12:12 Opposed nay.
09:12:13 The ayes have it unanimously.
09:12:16 Folks fox council.
09:12:19 >>SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES: We are requesting your
09:12:20 approval of the agenda.
09:12:21 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I need a motion from council members
09:12:24 to approve the agenda.
09:12:25 Motion made by Ms. Montelione, seconded by Mr. Reddick.
09:12:31 All in favor?
09:12:34 The Ayes have it.
09:12:35 Now we go to the public section of the agenda.
09:12:39 We have up to 30 minutes allowed for public comments.
09:12:43 Items on the agenda come first, and then the remaining
09:12:48 time goes to any item not on the agenda.
09:12:51 So anyone who wants to speak to any item on the agenda
09:12:53 not set for public hearing, please come forward.
09:12:55 >> Susan Long, 921 East Broad Street.
09:13:04 My question first, is the red light for public
09:13:07 comments, the way it is on the agenda today?
09:13:14 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: The time for public comment is right
09:13:16 >> For the red light cameras.
09:13:19 Actually, I want to congratulate all of you.
09:13:21 Welcome to City Council.
09:13:22 Thank you for being willing to work that hard for us.
09:13:26 The second item is the red light cameras.
09:13:29 Although I'm not sure they are going to accomplish what
09:13:32 everybody wants them to, I'm not opposed to putting
09:13:36 them in.
09:13:36 I am concerned about where the money is going to go.
09:13:39 I know that the state takes some of it, the camera
09:13:42 takes some of it and the rest of it comes to the city.
09:13:44 What if you did this and somebody sew sues the city?
09:13:48 Do you have any money to pay for defending your
09:13:50 I'm very concerned about where the money is going, not
09:13:53 so much about the cameras.
09:13:54 The third item is this that I want to talk to you
09:13:58 about, most of you, although not all of you, agreed
09:14:01 during the campaign that you would ban panhandling.
09:14:04 It is an issue.
09:14:06 We now have people standing out there looking at their
09:14:09 I pods, come back out and beg some more.
09:14:15 It's time to stop it.
09:14:17 It is a big concern for businesses, certainly a
09:14:20 disincentive for people who live near.
09:14:23 I would appreciate you putting that on your agenda at
09:14:25 the next meeting and dealing with it.
09:14:27 Thank you.
09:14:28 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you.
09:14:29 Next, please.
09:14:30 >> Okay.
09:14:37 I'm Ed Tillou from north Tampa.
09:14:43 I came to speak about the panhandling because it's
09:14:49 stressed as being an important thing, in fact the
09:14:51 gospel was about beggars.
09:14:53 This past Sunday, it was about beggars, but now Tampa
09:14:57 wants to outlaw beggars, instead of doing something
09:15:02 about the conditions that produce this.
09:15:05 Why I have been kind of concerned about this it's in
09:15:07 the paper that the average age now is 63 instead of 62,
09:15:11 and I think the problem with that is that while maybe
09:15:15 there was more exposure to churches, whether the
09:15:18 message took it on I don't know, what goes with the 63
09:15:24 versus 62 is that's one more year that people spent
09:15:27 before 1980 when things weren't a lot better and what
09:15:34 you have now, what you can't really say, go and get a
09:15:37 job, because there really aren't a lot of jobs, since
09:15:41 1980 the jobs have been all been sent everywhere else.
09:15:44 So that's what people have to consider.
09:15:47 These people aren't out there because they want to be
09:15:50 Now, another issue is the streets just keep getting
09:15:55 Lois, on the west side of town, is pretty bad.
09:16:00 The streets under the buses, 17th Avenue, 21st
09:16:04 Avenue, 15th street are pretty bad.
09:16:06 And republic de Cuba is about the level of honoring
09:16:12 Cuba, so it's really pretty bad, these streets.
09:16:17 So, I mean, that's a way of producing jobs, but nobody
09:16:22 seems to want to do it.
09:16:25 With respect to the red light cameras, I think there's
09:16:28 a real potential there because the reason so many
09:16:31 pedestrians and bicyclists are being killed is because
09:16:34 of turning cars.
09:16:37 The way turns are made.
09:16:38 And that really needs to be worked into this agenda,
09:16:40 not just going through a red light.
09:16:42 In fact, again because people are older, they remember,
09:16:49 you didn't have so many turning cars.
09:16:53 Now people a quarter mile, a few hundred yards, they
09:16:56 drive their car.
09:16:57 People are never out of the car, and this produces turn
09:17:02 after turn after turn.
09:17:03 You go to cross the street.
09:17:04 The problem isn't the cars coming down the street.
09:17:07 It's that you have an almost equal number of cars
09:17:10 making a turn, and making a turn however they feel
09:17:14 going into whatever lane they want, and this is a Mace
09:17:17 red light cameras can be used.
09:17:19 Another thing about the red light cameras, when there's
09:17:22 a light rain, after a long period without rain that
09:17:26 produces grease on the pavement, they need to shut off,
09:17:29 because I went to court on a situation where the light
09:17:33 had turned yellow, there had been rain, it was coming
09:17:36 off a freeway, and I think the safest thing to do is
09:17:40 just continue through the intersection.
09:17:42 And there was no consideration of that, and the judge
09:17:45 was going guilty, guilty, guilty, which is a problem
09:17:48 when you use these to raise revenue.
09:17:50 I think there is such a big problem that needs ab dress
09:17:54 that they should be used, could be used to raise a lot
09:17:56 of revenue, but you can't sacrifice fairness for that
09:18:01 And therefore in a light rain, especially a light rain
09:18:04 after a long dry spell, forget about the red light
09:18:08 (Bell sounds).
09:18:13 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you.
09:18:13 Next, please.
09:18:14 >> My name is Don Gore, and I'm here to object to these
09:18:21 red light cameras.
09:18:26 It would take at least four times to pay for them red
09:18:32 light cameras, and I don't leak it.
09:18:35 And I don't know who come up with this, but it's a bad
09:18:47 It destroys jobs, it destroys liberty, and it destroys
09:18:52 everything we got.
09:18:53 And whoever y'all passed that law, I hope you are tried
09:19:00 as racketeers and conspiracy and treason, and I don't
09:19:06 like that law.
09:19:07 I don't like an anti-American law.
09:19:15 I don't like it.
09:19:16 And this red light law is just a killer.
09:19:24 And if you have got any questions, if you want to write
09:19:26 me a letter, tell me what you think.
09:19:29 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
09:19:30 Next, please.
09:19:30 >> Mr. Chairman, other members of City Council, I'm Al
09:19:41 3717 east Wilder Avenue, Tampa, Florida.
09:19:46 Mr. Chairman, what's on the agenda is the council and
09:19:52 the action that you recently took to elect the chair
09:20:00 and vice chair of your Community Redevelopment Agency.
09:20:04 Mr. Chairman, I won't belabor your time at this moment,
09:20:08 but I want to congratulate you all, and I wish you
09:20:12 This is a new day, a new time.
09:20:18 And of course as you know, the sun still rises from the
09:20:23 east, goes down in the west.
09:20:25 We still have the four seasons -- summer, winter,
09:20:30 spring and fall.
09:20:32 We still have 12 months in a year.
09:20:36 We still have 24 hours in a day.
09:20:43 So much can be done, and sometimes so little does not
09:20:49 get done.
09:20:51 Now, Mr. Chairman, regarding this electronic system of
09:20:56 having these red light things, I hope this council
09:21:01 gives serious consideration, and, if possible, to defer
09:21:09 that, because I have been educated that it's going to
09:21:19 be for the citizens of the City of Tampa.
09:21:25 I don't want to believe that we are in the ERA of big
09:21:35 I don't want to believe that we will be so automated
09:21:38 that we cannot use what they call common sense.
09:21:43 So that's one item, Mr. Chairman.
09:21:45 I look forward to, as a time to continue to go forward,
09:21:52 to learn how government works for the interest of its
09:21:56 citizens, and particularly the City Council.
09:22:02 Congratulations, Mr. Reddick, being elected chair of
09:22:06 the community redevelopment area, and congratulations
09:22:09 to Mary Mulhern for your role as the chair pro tem of
09:22:16 the City Council.
09:22:17 Best wishes to you all.
09:22:23 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you.
09:22:23 Next, please.
09:22:24 >> P.O. Box 7636, Tampa, Florida.
09:22:33 I want to talk about the red light cameras.
09:22:38 Chief Bennett's presentation two weeks ago, he kept
09:22:41 saying he felt like Hillsborough and 40th was the
09:22:44 worst intersection, the one with 128 crashes, which
09:22:47 amounts to about three crashes per month.
09:22:50 He says he felt that that's the worst intersection,
09:22:56 then gave scientific data, so I don't know that this
09:23:02 has been a conclusive study.
09:23:04 I can't tell you his conclusions.
09:23:08 In this country 15 states have banned red light
09:23:12 A study by Wright university says that implementation
09:23:18 of photo enforcement cannot reduce the number of
09:23:23 crashes in the city overall.
09:23:25 What is also conclusive is that the installation of red
09:23:28 light cameras at those intersections where they are
09:23:30 installed, the number of right angle crashes decreased
09:23:34 but the number of sideswipe crashes and the number of
09:23:36 rear end crashes increased.
09:23:39 What is also true is the fact that the positioning of
09:23:46 these cameras, the 20 locations that your Chief Bennett
09:23:53 declared on the 24th, they were looking at, 15 of
09:23:57 those 20 Tampa neighborhood are predominantly African
09:24:04 And he mentions that the reason why the cameras should
09:24:06 be used is because the police can't be everywhere 24
09:24:10 hours a day.
09:24:10 So if it would seem logical that the cameras should be
09:24:16 elsewhere, because I do know for sure that the there is
09:24:21 no lack of police presence in those neighborhoods where
09:24:24 those cameras are going to be placed, to be placed.
09:24:29 Your chief of staff Darrell Smith, I think he was more
09:24:34 honest about what he said.
09:24:39 The majority of the general fund goes to support the
09:24:44 police department, and this initiative is an
09:24:46 opportunity for the police department to expand, if you
09:24:50 will, and prevention of crime.
09:24:53 He also goes on to talk about how it will help to
09:24:55 bolster fund for the police department.
09:24:58 And I believe that's what it's really about.
09:25:00 I don't buy the public safety bit because these are the
09:25:04 same officers that zip through some of the same
09:25:08 intersections chasing people for activities that they
09:25:11 call criminal that are often nonviolent, jeopardizing
09:25:15 hundreds of lives.
09:25:16 So the red light cameras should not be installed, that
09:25:19 money should be diverted and used for, like you said,
09:25:22 councilman Miranda, two weeks ago, it raised a red flag
09:25:26 for you when the money was going into the general fund.
09:25:29 It should go into intersection improvements.
09:25:32 Because what's necessary for state intersections is an
09:25:36 appropriate approach speed in intersections and
09:25:41 appropriate light cameras.
09:25:44 So those things instead of this kind of police
09:25:54 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
09:25:54 Next, please.
09:25:56 >>> Good morning.
09:26:00 Connie Burton, 4222 Patton court.
09:26:03 First, I would just like to congratulate all of you for
09:26:10 being here in City Council government.
09:26:11 Two things I would like to touch base on real quickly
09:26:14 is three points, $5 million that is going to be funded
09:26:24 from the neighborhood stabilization program.
09:26:26 You know, we heard about so much money that came from
09:26:29 the federal government that was going to be used to
09:26:32 stabilize our neighborhood because of the huge
09:26:36 foreclosed prices.
09:26:38 I can tell you that inside of our community even those
09:26:44 community development agencies and neighborhood groups
09:26:46 that was partners to the neighborhood stabilization
09:26:52 program, we still see a huge increase of homelessness
09:26:57 inside of our community, where people cannot even
09:27:00 qualify based on no way to qualify.
09:27:05 In fact, the Housing Authority, which is one of the
09:27:09 institutions where there are their low, low income
09:27:12 people would go to find houses almost five years or
09:27:18 more, so 3.5 million to be set aside for the future for
09:27:24 the Encore, and I don't know if it's even been
09:27:28 determined the federal government is going to finish
09:27:30 financing that project altogether.
09:27:32 So the need right now is for the people that are in
09:27:36 need of housing, that we use this money to transform
09:27:40 the lives of the people that is in need of services
09:27:43 right now prior to Encore.
09:27:49 The second issue is the installation of those cameras.
09:27:54 Although in the council hearing two weeks ago, when
09:28:00 those intersections was laid out, Martin Luther King
09:28:03 and 22nd was not one that was stated at the time, but
09:28:07 Martin Luther King and 22nd has the cameras up already.
09:28:11 I'm not saying they are in use but they are very
09:28:15 And the question now becomes to the community, why?
09:28:18 What has happened on Martin Luther King and 22nd that
09:28:22 we needed the presence of more cameras inside of our
09:28:29 What we have constantly said over and over again, the
09:28:34 new mayor to come in, we need economic development.
09:28:37 I believe that what was laid out by the presenter two
09:28:40 weeks ago, that it's one thing only.
09:28:53 If indeed now we have had new construction on 22nd, we
09:28:57 haven't had right lane turn crashes, it could be --
09:29:03 that could be utilized to secure a more public safety
09:29:07 environment as opposed to now everybody is wondering if
09:29:15 the cameras are tracking them.
09:29:16 I would hope that this council, and of course with this
09:29:19 new mayor, that the needs of the community is
09:29:22 addressed, that we go about improving from a public
09:29:29 safety standpoint road improvement.
09:29:31 Thank you so much:
09:29:33 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
09:29:34 Next, please.
09:29:34 >> Pete Johnson, 6113 Largo drive.
09:29:41 I do not live in the city.
09:29:44 I do not belong to any single organization or
09:29:48 neighborhood association.
09:29:50 I simply speak as a neighborhood advocate, and I have
09:29:53 been doing this for probably -- the paperwork that is
09:29:59 handed out to you by the clerk is an address that is a
09:30:07 drug and prostitution hole the last 20 years.
09:30:12 The people that are listed on here, you have a letter
09:30:15 coming from a neighbor about the deplorable actions
09:30:19 that have happened to them, the retaliation against
09:30:23 them, or TPD's action to clean it up.
09:30:30 Evidently, TPD can only do so much.
09:30:33 This property is homesteaded.
09:30:35 So as far as nuisance abatement is concerned, I doubt
09:30:39 if it will go to nuisance abatement.
09:30:41 The only thing that can be done is to take this
09:30:45 property over by eminent domain by the city.
09:30:51 I know that's a big question to ask, and I really hope
09:30:54 that you all look into this and try to get the
09:30:56 administration to try to do something about this.
09:31:03 This is one person, the owner, 70-year-old woman in a
09:31:08 wheelchair that has been caught selling crack cocaine
09:31:11 on Nebraska Avenue out of her wheelchair.
09:31:13 This is a culture problem.
09:31:16 This has been going on for 20 years.
09:31:20 We need to break this culture of drugs and prostitution
09:31:25 in the neighborhood, but he special reply this house.
09:31:29 This has gotten to the point that TPD doesn't know any
09:31:32 more what else it can do.
09:31:37 They are going to try to take to the nuisance abatement
09:31:39 from what I understand, but as far as homestead, that
09:31:42 does limit them.
09:31:43 I did find out today that the thee people that are on
09:31:45 the deeds of this house are also on the deeds of thee
09:31:49 other properties and all claiming homestead exemption.
09:31:52 So after this meeting I will be down at the county
09:31:55 building questioning that, because if we can get the
09:31:58 homestead removed, then we can enforce the law.
09:32:03 But, unfortunately, with homestead, it protects the
09:32:06 property owner.
09:32:07 But this has gotten ridiculous.
09:32:09 This is 20 years of criminal activity by the same
09:32:14 family, the same address, the same people.
09:32:17 We have to do something about this.
09:32:19 Thank you.
09:32:21 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you, Mr. Johnson.
09:32:23 I had discussed this, and I want to thank our City
09:32:26 Council attorney for agreeing that in these matters
09:32:31 that are police involvement at the present time, we are
09:32:33 going to say silent.
09:32:36 This is a criminal investigation, I assume, and if we
09:32:39 get involved the record may be tainted, but I
09:32:41 appreciate it very much and we'll continue to do what
09:32:43 we can to solve this problem.
09:32:44 Next, please.
09:32:48 >>> My name is pastor Frank Williams, 1112 Scott
09:32:54 street, Paradise Missionary Baptist Church.
09:32:57 First I want to welcome the newcomers, Frank Reddick
09:33:01 and the rest of them.
09:33:02 I pray God's blessings upon all of you.
09:33:06 I'm so happy that we got new council because the old
09:33:09 council didn't do nothing for me.
09:33:11 I want to state this here.
09:33:14 On your agenda, one thing.
09:33:19 We need to thank God that we are not out there begging,
09:33:23 the way the economy is going now can days, we got that
09:33:26 guy that calls himself governor, by the name of Rick
09:33:33 Scott, making things a whole lot worse for everybody,
09:33:36 including the City Council members, and I don't think
09:33:39 you all are going to say anything until it hits you in
09:33:42 the back.
09:33:43 We have to understand, we are citizens of America.
09:33:47 We deserve justification like anybody else, whether we
09:33:51 black, white, Hispanic, Jew or whatever, don't make no
09:33:56 Don't just pick on the black.
09:33:59 I'm black.
09:34:00 And I'm going to be black till I go to the grave.
09:34:03 We have to realize that ain't no equal justice here in
09:34:08 America for black folks.
09:34:09 And I can say that because we want to go to Libya
09:34:14 killing peoples when we got our problems right here in
09:34:16 the United States of America.
09:34:18 And another thing.
09:34:22 The red light cameras.
09:34:24 You got enough policemens out there, racist policemen
09:34:28 following me home, following me every time I drive my
09:34:31 van, trying to find something against me, which I won't
09:34:34 allow them to find anything against me, because I'm a
09:34:38 child of God.
09:34:39 We have to understand, brother, you all didn't create
09:34:43 us, white man didn't create the black man because if he
09:34:47 did he would have never created him black.
09:34:49 We all created by the love of God, and we have got to
09:34:53 respect one another.
09:34:54 Until we come to that conclusion, we will always have
09:34:58 problems, especially in Florida.
09:35:06 We got big problems.
09:35:07 Brother Reddick, I hope you will meet me and the
09:35:10 newcomers will meet me on my site, 1112 east Scott
09:35:14 street, paradise missionary Baptist church.
09:35:17 I have a lot of history there, and I got a lot of
09:35:20 things going against me, only because of the color of
09:35:23 my skin.
09:35:24 We got to understand, brothers and sisters, you all
09:35:32 have come to the standard that you all want us to
09:35:34 rebel, and I don't want to rebel, and I don't think
09:35:37 none of the brothers want to rebel, but if it comes to
09:35:41 that conclusion, so be it.
09:35:42 >>> Good morning.
09:35:51 Community activist Michelle Williams, Valrico, Florida.
09:35:55 There's a couple of items that bring me before the City
09:35:57 Council this morning.
09:35:59 The first being, I had someone in the community
09:36:02 contacting me yesterday because her husband works for
09:36:05 the clean city division.
09:36:07 And I didn't have the numbers so I called over to my
09:36:10 dear friend over at the mayor's office and was able to
09:36:13 get that contact information, and after calling over
09:36:15 there several types, three and a half hours to be
09:36:18 exact, we were given phone numbers that were
09:36:20 disconnected after we pushed the options for the main
09:36:24 Now, if the entire administrative staff of the clean
09:36:27 city division don't want their jobs I will give you a
09:36:31 budget cut suggestion right now, fire their asses.
09:36:34 They don't need to be employed if they can't answer the
09:36:37 Their receptionist was not there.
09:36:39 We tried the extension of the human resource department
09:36:41 and couldn't even reach anyone to get ahold of this
09:36:45 Her family member passed yesterday.
09:36:48 That's a disgrace.
09:36:49 I had the mayor's office who called me 5:31 yesterday
09:36:54 evening and asked me what was going on.
09:36:56 Mayor Bob Buckhorn admittedly had miss Michelle call me
09:37:00 back to ask what was going on.
09:37:02 And then I got a phone call at 6:30 from Mr. Irvin Lee
09:37:06 from the clean city division.
09:37:08 After that it was too late.
09:37:12 Something needs to be done about it, because guess
09:37:14 Again, if they don't need their jobs, they don't need
09:37:17 to be there.
09:37:17 Now Marvin Gay has a song called what's going on.
09:37:21 That's what I'm here this morning to find out what's
09:37:23 going on with these surveillance cameras.
09:37:25 Because if you really want to know what's going on, put
09:37:28 them out there in north Tampa.
09:37:30 Put them all the way back out there where the grow
09:37:33 houses because black people ain't growing houses.
09:37:37 We are not the ones in our neighborhood.
09:37:43 What's going on?
09:37:45 Is it just that blacks are being targeted right now?
09:37:49 Because I can see a whole lot of activity out there
09:37:52 where I live in Apollo Beach.
09:37:54 There's a whole lot of drugs going on out there, and
09:37:59 their skin color ain't like mine, but I see don't see
09:38:02 no red light cameras out there.
09:38:04 I don't see anybody doing surveillance out there.
09:38:07 There was at one point write moved five years ago I
09:38:09 thought I was living in Mayberry.
09:38:12 That's how the police officers are out there where I
09:38:15 live at.
09:38:15 But when I have to drive to East Tampa, I had police
09:38:21 officers pull me over saying, I can't see your tag.
09:38:30 When is the racism going to stop?
09:38:33 When are federal dollars going to stop coming into our
09:38:38 neighborhood because we got gang activity?
09:38:40 We have so much drugs in our neighborhood.
09:38:43 We have all of this activity in our neighborhood.
09:38:46 I'm tired of being sick and tired.
09:38:48 And each of you sitting inside of my voice, you all
09:38:52 have the opportunity to do something about this.
09:38:54 You have the power to stop this.
09:38:56 The money needs to be used elsewhere.
09:38:59 We need more money with street widening.
09:39:03 We need more money put into our libraries.
09:39:05 We need more money put into our education department,
09:39:08 not the fact that we need to surveillance of black
09:39:12 It is almost becoming criminal that the police
09:39:15 department, the Tampa Police Department has that much
09:39:19 power to intimidate us on a daily basis.
09:39:22 I thank you all for this time.
09:39:25 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Anybody else
09:39:31 (off microphone)
09:39:33 Here with sister cities, good people from Agrigento,
09:39:42 I don't see them.
09:39:42 Maybe they are in the next room.
09:39:46 We will go to ordinance for first reading, and Ms.
09:39:51 Capin, it's transportation is kind of lights in that
09:39:54 area so I am going to ask Yvonne Yolie Capin to read
09:40:00 item number 1.
09:40:02 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Ordinance for first reading
09:40:04 An ordinance correcting a scrivener's error in
09:40:06 ordinance number 2011-3 ordained by the City Council of
09:40:11 the City of Tampa on January 26, 2011 vacating,
09:40:16 closing, discontinuing and abandoning a certain
09:40:19 right-of-way all of that alleyway lying south of
09:40:22 Hiawatha street north of Pocahontas Avenue, east of
09:40:27 Wellington Avenue and west of branch Avenue, in map of
09:40:32 JOSIAH Richardson's center hill subdivision, a
09:40:37 subdivision in the City of Tampa, Hillsborough County,
09:40:40 Florida, amending an ordinance to correct a scrivener's
09:40:43 error by changing the legal description to correct said
09:40:47 legal description providing an effective date.
09:40:50 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Seconded by Councilwoman Mulhern.
09:40:55 Vote and record.
09:40:55 We will go from my right to my left.
09:40:57 >> Yes.
09:41:01 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Aye.
09:41:02 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Yes.
09:41:04 >>FRANK REDDICK: Yes.
09:41:06 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Yes.
09:41:07 >>MARY MULHERN: Yes.
09:41:08 >>HARRY COHEN: Yes.
09:41:11 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Yes.
09:41:12 >> Second reading of the ordinance will be held April
09:41:15 21st at 9:30 a.m.
09:41:22 >> We go to committee reports, public safety, Mr.
09:41:28 >>FRANK REDDICK: I move 2 through 4.
09:41:30 >>MARY MULHERN: Second.
09:41:32 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: All in favor?
09:41:33 The Ayes have it.
09:41:34 Parks and recreation, culture committee.
09:41:36 Ms. Mulhern.
09:41:37 >>MARY MULHERN: I move items 5 through 16.
09:41:40 >> Second.
09:41:42 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Seconded by Mrs. Capin.
09:41:44 All in favor indicate by saying Aye.
09:41:46 Opposed, nay.
09:41:46 The Ayes have it unanimously.
09:41:52 Public works, Mr. Suarez.
09:41:53 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Resolution approving a license --
09:42:19 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Committee reports.
09:42:19 >>MIKE SUAREZ: 17 through 22 asks a motion to approve.
09:42:26 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Motion by Mr. Suarez, second by Ms.
09:42:29 All in favor ever? Opposed?
09:42:30 The Ayes have it unanimously.
09:42:33 Finance Committee, Mr. Cohen.
09:42:35 Cone Cohen I move item 23.
09:42:39 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Seconded by Mr. Reddick.
09:42:40 All in favor?
09:42:41 The Ayes have it unanimously.
09:42:43 Building and zoning committee, Mrs. Montelione.
09:42:48 >> I move 24, 25 and 27.
09:42:57 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Well, 26 is in two weeks, and 27
09:43:01 will come --
09:43:07 >>LISA MONTELIONE: And then on the next page 27.
09:43:12 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: It's confusing the way it is, I
09:43:14 admits that.
09:43:15 I'm the first one to admits that.
09:43:16 I did the same thing you did.
09:43:18 But that comes up for resolution.
09:43:20 That's a resolution we are doing, the committees
09:43:22 But --
09:43:25 >>LISA MONTELIONE: My apologies.
09:43:29 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Motion made by Mrs. Montelione,
09:43:32 seconded by Mr. Cohen.
09:43:35 All in favor?
09:43:36 The Ayes have it unanimously.
09:43:41 Now Mrs. Mulhern.
09:43:42 >>MARY MULHERN: I move item number 27.
09:43:46 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion for resolution
09:43:48 number 27 seconded by Frank Reddick.
09:43:51 All in favor?
09:43:53 The Ayes have it unanimously.
09:43:55 The next item is 28.
09:43:57 And these are nonjudicial proceedings.
09:44:11 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I need a motion to open 28 through 31.
09:44:17 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Seconded by Ms. Mulhern.
09:44:19 The ayes have it unanimously.
09:44:21 Item 28.
09:44:24 This is a substitute motion so it would be the one
09:44:26 written in red in the bottom.
09:44:28 And we'll start from my right to my left.
09:44:31 Next week we'll go from left to right.
09:44:32 Mr. Suarez, item 28 on this packet of the agenda.
09:44:36 >> An ordinance of the city --
09:44:45 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: My fault.
09:44:46 I would like to know if anybody in the public would
09:44:47 like to speak on this item, 28.
09:44:51 I need a motion to close.
09:44:53 >>FRANK REDDICK: So moved.
09:44:57 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Seconded by Ms.
09:44:59 >>MARY MULHERN: Mulhern.
09:45:00 All in favor?
09:45:01 The Ayes have it unanimously.
09:45:03 Mr. Suarez, 28.
09:45:04 >> An ordinance of the city of Tampa, Florida renaming
09:45:07 the dedicated park property at 400 north Ashley drive,
09:45:11 Tampa, Florida, now known as NationsBank park plaza,
09:45:16 NCNB plaza, to Kiley garden park, providing for
09:45:20 severability, repealing all ordinances in conflict
09:45:22 herewith, providing an effective date.
09:45:24 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: This be is for the record a
09:45:25 substitute ordinance presented for second reading and
09:45:28 Roll call vote.
09:45:31 You can vote.
09:45:35 And record.
09:45:36 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried unanimously.
09:45:44 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Item 29.
09:45:46 Anyone in the audience care Tosh speak on item 29?
09:45:51 >>CATHERINE COYLE: Zoning administrator for the city.
09:45:53 Welcome, council.
09:45:56 On item 29 and 31 could not be certified.
09:45:59 The site plans were not available on time and the
09:46:02 corrections were not made in accordance with City
09:46:04 Council's direction.
09:46:05 Those two items, 29 and 31, need to be continued to
09:46:08 April 21st at 9:30.
09:46:11 Item number 30 has been certified and submitted to the
09:46:17 city clerk.
09:46:19 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: All right.
09:46:19 So 29 and 371 cannot be heard, so I need a motion.
09:46:24 A motion by Ms. Mulhern, seconded by Mrs. Montelione.
09:46:29 >> Continue to April 21 Z at 9:30, 29 and 31?
09:46:34 I have a motion to continue to April 21st at 9:30.
09:46:38 All in favor of the motion indicate by saying Aye.
09:46:42 The Ayes have it unanimously.
09:46:43 Mrs. Capin, would you please do item 30?
09:46:46 Would anyone in the audience care to speak on item
09:46:48 number 30?
09:46:49 I see no one.
09:46:50 I need a motion to close.
09:46:51 >>FRANK REDDICK: So moved.
09:46:55 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Second.
09:46:56 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: All in favor?
09:46:57 The Ayes have it unanimously.
09:47:01 >>YVONNE CAPIN: An ordinance repealing ordinance
09:47:03 2004-2-11 approving a special use permit S-2 for
09:47:08 alcoholic beverage sales large venue making lawful the
09:47:11 sale of beverages regardless of alcoholic content beer,
09:47:14 wine, liquor, 4(COP-X) for the consumption on premises
09:47:18 only at or from that certain lot, plot or tract of land
09:47:21 located at 304 East Davis Boulevard, Tampa, Florida as
09:47:25 more particularly described in section 3 hereof
09:47:27 providing for repeal of all ordinances in conflict,
09:47:31 providing an effective date.
09:47:33 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion by Ms. Capin.
09:47:35 I missed the second to my left.
09:47:38 Second by Mrs. Montelione.
09:47:41 Item 30.
09:47:42 Vote and record.
09:47:42 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried unanimously.
09:47:56 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Items 32 and 33 are staff reports.
09:48:00 Is staff here for item 32?
09:48:14 Item 32?
09:48:26 >> John Bennett, Tampa Police Department, assistant
09:48:29 With me is the commander of our traffic unit.
09:48:32 I'm here to re-present the contract proposal from
09:48:37 American traffic solutions reference the red light
09:48:41 photo enforcement cameras proposed.
09:48:45 Just a short history.
09:48:49 We have been looking at this since 2007.
09:48:50 This is not a knee jerk concept for us by any means.
09:48:56 The police department and the administration looked at
09:49:00 this for now four years, and actually there was a
09:49:04 proposal last year.
09:49:05 However, we stopped a proposal on the way to the state
09:49:10 legislation settle.
09:49:11 As you know there's a state law authorizing the use of
09:49:13 photo enforcement in the intersections for public
09:49:16 safety and, of course, in our department we are going
09:49:19 to talk about the efficiency of our resources,
09:49:22 especially in the current economic times.
09:49:28 We have a sound byte from lieutenant ward that will
09:49:31 mention the success and some of the study he did,
09:49:33 because we don't want to take anything from granted
09:49:35 from the vendor.
09:49:36 But I will quickly mention our global philosophy on
09:49:41 Number one is education.
09:49:44 That's obviously our ultimate goal.
09:49:45 We don't want people hurt in the intersections.
09:49:48 Red light crashes are very violent angle crashes in
09:49:52 Every study I have looked at city-wide, there was one
09:49:55 out of California that showed it was in the billions of
09:49:58 dollars to the community between loss of time at work,
09:50:01 the injuries, and all the related things that occur in
09:50:05 the collision in an intersection at the red light.
09:50:08 So ultimately we don't want a crash in the intersection
09:50:11 and we don't wants anybody to run the red light.
09:50:13 The vendor's proposal is $50,000 for education, public
09:50:17 safety awareness campaign prior to the go time that
09:50:23 they were installed.
09:50:24 There's also a 30-day warning period per approach,
09:50:28 where if a citizen went through a red light because
09:50:31 that's their common path of travel, they would get a
09:50:34 letter telling them that the vehicle that was
09:50:38 registered went through the red light, and that would
09:50:41 give them time to understand it was there in addition
09:50:43 to the public safety awareness campaign.
09:50:46 The second part is our enforcement.
09:50:50 Lieutenant ward will expound on this slightly.
09:50:54 But after the 30-day period, once the intersection
09:50:58 would go live again, assuming that it passed, this be
09:51:02 is a nonintrusive system, meaning that there's no
09:51:06 photograph of the driver, there's just a photograph of
09:51:08 the tag and the vehicle, and the registered owner is
09:51:12 the one that's being held vicariously for running the
09:51:19 red light which is another education process, we think
09:51:22 long before a collision would occur.
09:51:25 Our data shows that we have just about 300 red light
09:51:30 crashes a year, and the police department is just, by
09:51:34 doing it with a small traffic squad, and then the other
09:51:38 officers in the field as time permits, are finding just
09:51:41 over 6600 violations a year in running red lights over
09:51:45 the past three years.
09:51:46 We looked at the highest intersections.
09:51:50 We have data.
09:51:50 This is not our opinion.
09:51:52 This is data driven, decisions city-wide.
09:51:55 We do have a map that we could be willing to show of
09:51:59 what the 20 intersections have the highest red light
09:52:02 related crashes were.
09:52:03 And in those 20 intersection there is was 29 approaches
09:52:07 which means different directions. So some intersection
09:52:11 versus multiple directions with high crash rates of the
09:52:14 That's another thing I would like to points out.
09:52:16 Typically the violator that goes uninjured in the crash
09:52:18 because they have the awareness and the physics, at
09:52:23 this time innocent party that ends up being victimized
09:52:26 in a red light collision which is what we don't want.
09:52:29 I think the red light violation obviously is serious
09:52:32 enough, because the state charges $249 for a moving
09:52:36 violation on the red light.
09:52:38 A lot of that money goes to trust fund that are
09:52:40 associated with trauma centers.
09:52:43 This red light, because it's nonintrusive and knots a
09:52:47 moving violation, is $158, which is close to $100 less
09:52:51 than the moving violation.
09:52:54 The other things that we noticed from the cities inside
09:52:59 in a is after the first year there's a approximately
09:53:01 22% decline in citations which means it's working.
09:53:04 Not only that, our partners over at the Hillsborough
09:53:06 County sheriff's office are using the same technology.
09:53:10 In just a short two-year span showed a 50% decline in
09:53:14 injury-related accidents at the six intersections that
09:53:18 they are using the technology in, in just two years.
09:53:21 There's a tremendous savings of life, property, and law
09:53:24 enforcement time.
09:53:28 The next that I would like to talk about is the
09:53:31 Again, lieutenant ward will talk about his traffic
09:53:33 operation in brief.
09:53:36 But we typically look at the high volume areas.
09:53:40 Our traffic squad and the officers are made aware of
09:53:43 However, if we have technology that's working around
09:53:45 the clock, that will help relocate those officers to
09:53:48 the mid level areas that are causing concerns in the
09:53:51 community and to include school zones and other things
09:53:53 that require traffic enforcement.
09:53:56 And the other thing that Chief Castor always remind us
09:54:00 of is when we go out, we do an operation in the field,
09:54:03 we get compliance after a couple days worth of
09:54:06 But typically after that, it goes right back to what it
09:54:09 was, and that increase it is risk.
09:54:11 And, of course, we always talk about engineering,
09:54:14 because our partners in transportation remind us it
09:54:18 takes education enforcement and engineering to make an
09:54:22 intersection safe, and we are pretty averse to putting
09:54:31 a practical spin on that.
09:54:32 I am going to let lieutenant ward come up and discuss
09:54:34 briefly his traffic operation.
09:54:35 >> Lieutenant ward: One thing I would add, I did a
09:54:42 15 different cities that are outside as far as
09:54:47 population, out of those 16 cities, we experienced a
09:54:54 reduction after cameras were installed.
09:54:56 19%, there wasn't enough data collected meaning that
09:55:00 agency or city, their program was too new.
09:55:03 So just speaking of those 16 cities, which included
09:55:07 Missouri, Ohio, California, Texas, New Jersey, and a
09:55:10 host of others, there's a 6.5 decrease after these
09:55:13 cameras were installed.
09:55:16 One of the things brought up was manpower effort.
09:55:21 I received numerous complaints weekly, daily, as far as
09:55:24 speed being, and red light violations.
09:55:28 People speeding through school zones.
09:55:32 We have to allocate that traffic unit to those areas
09:55:36 that are experiencing those speed violations in those
09:55:40 school zones.
09:55:44 That's pretty much all I have to add.
09:55:47 Over the last three years, just like Chief Bennett
09:55:51 says, we experienced close to 4,000 crashes
09:55:56 involving -- noninjury crashes.
09:56:01 The 197 involved crashes.
09:56:05 In 2010 there were a total of 4,000.
09:56:08 So that's a significant number in the City of Tampa.
09:56:11 We are trying to reallocate that manpower effort.
09:56:16 And with this program I think that will do the job.
09:56:19 Thank you.
09:56:19 >>MARY MULHERN: I was just wondering.
09:56:21 I don't know if you have this, but of those 4,000
09:56:24 crashes, can you tell us how many of those were at the
09:56:30 intersections where you are putting in the cameras?
09:56:33 >> I don't have that breakdown.
09:56:34 This is city-wide.
09:56:37 We took the highest 20 intersections that were slated
09:56:42 for crashes, and that's where we pulled our data from.
09:56:45 >> Chief Bennett: What I noticed in the study of the
09:56:51 intersections of the exact red light, the violation,
09:56:54 the transportation, is that they were averaging about
09:56:57 90 crashes per intersection over three years due
09:57:01 strictly to red light violations from different
09:57:04 But within those 20 intersections.
09:57:06 So an approach is just the direction you are traveling
09:57:09 as the violator.
09:57:10 And when we substudied those intersections we showed 29
09:57:15 different directions within 20 intersections where the
09:57:18 So typically it approaches maybe rush hour inbound can
09:57:24 give you that kind of energy in a N that crash.
09:57:27 The highest corridors without showing the map,
09:57:30 Hillsborough Avenue all the way from the west to the
09:57:33 east side.
09:57:34 There were six intersections.
09:57:36 Gandy had a few.
09:57:38 Of course Florida Avenue had some.
09:57:41 New Tampa has one.
09:57:42 So they are throughout the entire city.
09:57:45 They are not coagulated in one area.
09:57:47 And we did notice one downtown.
09:57:49 Of course, we do have concerns of red lights associated
09:57:52 with pedestrian traffic in the morning.
09:57:59 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Maybe you can help me explain this be
09:58:02 I'm looking at the bill that's moving through the state
09:58:07 And it says here the fines -- and there's some
09:58:11 compelling information here.
09:58:16 The fine is $158.
09:58:19 Of that, on the camera, on the violaters fail to stop
09:58:26 traffic signals by the traffic infraction detector, 75
09:58:32 is retained by local government, 83 deposited with the
09:58:36 Department of Revenue, subsequently distributed by
09:58:40 depositing $70 in the general fund, $10 to the
09:58:44 Department of Health administrative drug fund and $3 to
09:58:48 the brain and spinal cord injury trust fund.
09:58:52 Okay, that's the camera.
09:58:53 If a law enforcement officer cites a motorist for the
09:58:57 same offense the same fine is still 158, but that's not
09:59:04 Here, at least here.
09:59:05 >> And in our clerk's office it's $249.
09:59:11 >> And the distribution would be different.
09:59:13 But what I find here is $30 is distributed to the
09:59:16 general fund as opposed to the 70.
09:59:18 And at that point, $65 as opposed to $10 goes to the
09:59:23 Department of Health and administrative trust fund.
09:59:28 Do you have any information different than this?
09:59:33 >> We typically don't get involved in the disbursement
09:59:36 after the citation is issued.
09:59:38 As a matter of fact, because we are so zeroed in on the
09:59:41 public safety component, our goal is of course to do
09:59:44 the traffic enforcement, and then examine the data as
09:59:47 the best of our enforcement to make the community
09:59:50 Of course, at our level wire not ignorant to the fact
09:59:53 that it gets disbursed.
09:59:55 The difference between the photo enforcement and the
09:59:58 individual enforcement, that's a tough call for me at
10:00:02 this point.
10:00:02 I could probably find somebody that could address it.
10:00:05 >> I would appreciate that.
10:00:06 Also, did we look at Ft. Lauderdale?
10:00:10 Apparently there's -- again from that bill that's
10:00:16 moving through the state house and Senate,
10:00:18 Ft. Lauderdale police department is spending more time
10:00:21 than in preparing evidence filed for court, there's now
10:00:26 a backlog of a thousand cases.
10:00:29 And the City Commissioners are closely monitoring the
10:00:33 situation because their budget depended on bringing in
10:00:37 $3 million and it may collect 500,000.
10:00:40 >> It's my understanding from talking to legal support
10:00:45 is that the situation down there and the costs
10:00:48 associated to the jurisdiction is because they didn't
10:00:52 have an attorney on staff and theory outsourcing their
10:00:55 attorney cost to go to court.
10:00:58 We have an in-house attorney or in-house co-prosecutor
10:01:01 who could go to court with us as well as a certified
10:01:04 officer, and just to add to that, we have to have a
10:01:07 certified officer the way we are doing this, review
10:01:10 each one.
10:01:10 It's not just at the discretion of a traffic specialist
10:01:14 or even the vendor.
10:01:15 We actually look at every violation that comes through.
10:01:18 So should we have to go to court, those are all in-kind
10:01:22 services that we go to court on constantly anyway.
10:01:24 It's my understanding down there, their cost surge is
10:01:28 because they are outsourcing their legal support for
10:01:30 >> Thank you for that.
10:01:31 Also on your list of 20, Dale Mabry and Hillsborough
10:01:35 Avenue is an overpass.
10:01:38 There's no traffic light there.
10:01:45 I mentioned this last meeting.
10:01:46 >> the traffic light is right there, the intersection
10:01:52 of Hillsborough and Dale Mabry, the in exit lanes of
10:01:55 Hillsborough Avenue.
10:01:57 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Thank you.
10:02:00 One more question.
10:02:02 On the light system monitor and intersection, these are
10:02:06 questions that were asked of the vendor.
10:02:20 I had it highlighted.
10:02:31 Amber alert, alert officers immediately, a vehicle and
10:02:37 suspect, identify suspended, revoked drivers, capture
10:02:41 data in witness identification, watch list development.
10:02:45 These cameras, there's 67 clients in Florida, and they
10:02:56 could be connected.
10:02:57 Is that correct?
10:03:00 >> When we did our RFP with the various vendor
10:03:04 opportunities one things we were working on was the
10:03:06 safety side beyond just the traffic crash reduction.
10:03:09 The fact that this company exists in Hillsborough
10:03:12 County and Temple Terrace and one if not the largest
10:03:16 vendor in the state, two memorandums of understanding,
10:03:19 if we did have somebody go missing, somebody was
10:03:22 kidnapped, abducted, child missing, we have the ability
10:03:25 to switch into the technology through memorandums of
10:03:29 understanding and surveil this throughout the entire
10:03:32 That's in the same operation.
10:03:33 But locally, with our partners at Hillsborough County
10:03:37 and Temple Terrace, we could at least do it in the
10:03:39 those three jurisdictions inside Hillsborough County
10:03:43 based on agreements that again futuristic talking here,
10:03:47 that could be accomplished, and there's limited doubt
10:03:50 in my mind that it couldn't be done.
10:03:54 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Thank you.
10:03:55 >>FRANK REDDICK: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
10:03:57 Mr. Bennett, first let me thank you for the opportunity
10:04:00 to meet with you and to discuss this yesterday.
10:04:02 But I want to reiterate some of the concerns I have.
10:04:07 And the more I look at this, more concerns are brought
10:04:14 to my attention.
10:04:15 And as I stated to you yesterday, I was very concerned
10:04:19 about the number of traffic signs in the
10:04:29 African-American be community.
10:04:31 That was a main concern.
10:04:32 At 40th and Hillsborough and 22nd and Hillsborough,
10:04:36 it seemed like so many was being located on
10:04:38 Hillsborough Avenue.
10:04:39 And that was the concern.
10:04:42 Another concern, and I expressed a lot of it to you a
10:04:46 great deal last evening, and that is those who are
10:04:49 given a citation and the cost of $158.
10:04:52 And those who are -- the type of economy we are living
10:04:56 in now, one that we have a lot of people unemployed, we
10:05:01 have a lot of older people that live in those areas
10:05:04 that you are thinking about proposing putting those
10:05:09 signs in those areas.
10:05:11 And as was stated to you yesterday and I am going to
10:05:15 state again today, those people not being able to pay
10:05:19 those citations, what will happen.
10:05:24 And I would like you to restate your position, that
10:05:29 30-day window. But if you have a person honor is
10:05:32 unemployed, you have a person on a fixed income, and in
10:05:38 that area of 22nd, Hillsborough, 40th Street,
10:05:41 Hillsborough, and as you go down the Hillsborough
10:05:44 corridor, what will happen to those individuals if they
10:05:51 are unable to pay?
10:05:52 That's the first question.
10:05:53 And secondly, I want to ask about the $50,000 fundal oh
10:06:02 indicated for education.
10:06:05 Is this a rush to judgment?
10:06:07 Or could this be -- is it more important to educate the
10:06:10 community as opposed to asking City Council to adopt a
10:06:17 contract before the community is educated? Because I'm
10:06:20 pretty sure there's stories, but the concern I have, if
10:06:28 I walk in my community or any community where it's
10:06:30 going to be located, how many are aware that we are
10:06:32 here today in a process of voting on a contract that
10:06:37 could be implemented within the next 30 days -- next
10:06:43 year, and then you are going to educate them after the
10:06:45 contract has been awarded.
10:06:46 Is it more feasible to -- more appropriate to educate
10:06:52 the community before this body votes on a contract?
10:06:58 If you can respond to those, I would appreciate it.
10:06:59 >> Thank you for your questions.
10:07:03 We went into this project with a global public safety
10:07:05 attitude, and we started with data-driven analysis.
10:07:09 The one thing that concerns us is that we worked with
10:07:13 the state, FDOT, Florida Department of Transportation,
10:07:17 went through Hillsborough Avenue, just as an example.
10:07:21 It used to not have the meetings that we see on there.
10:07:24 That was largely because of the same data that they
10:07:26 saw, that we saw about the dangers on Hillsborough
10:07:32 When these intersection came out, it was strictly
10:07:35 transportation driven, from looking at the number of
10:07:38 crashes and the direction that the violator was
10:07:41 We have no idea, because coding, who was in the car,
10:07:46 where the car came from, whether it was a commercial
10:07:48 vehicle or just a regular tax-paying vehicle, and
10:07:51 that's how the intersections fell out.
10:07:54 As far as whether a citation could be downsized based
10:07:59 on somebody's economics, our first comment would be
10:08:02 that in the education and the warning period,
10:08:04 especially, if you are somebody who drives that path
10:08:07 every day, not only will you see that the $50,000 used
10:08:10 for the public awareness campaigns, but you would also
10:08:13 get a warning in that 30-day period that would be no
10:08:16 cost to you, and if that's your route of travel, then
10:08:20 the goal will ultimately be not to run the red light
10:08:22 because we know the back end costs of running the red
10:08:24 light are going to far exceed that $1508 with
10:08:28 hospitalization costs and vehicle and transportation
10:08:30 issues, medical issues, loss of job, loss of
10:08:33 So our goal is not to have you run the red light in the
10:08:37 We actually look at the $1508 as a tier of education
10:08:41 before you get in a collision and costs you or somebody
10:08:44 else their life.
10:08:46 If it does go to court, which the due process exists
10:08:50 for this citation as any other citation.
10:08:53 You can set a court date.
10:08:54 You can argue to the court.
10:08:55 Of course, the evidence in this case would be
10:08:59 photography and the video is a bit convincing, to be
10:09:03 So if they go to court, and they plead to the court
10:09:05 about their economic condition, whether the court makes
10:09:09 a decision or not, I can't testify to what the judge
10:09:12 would do, but that is an option that somebody who did
10:09:16 get a citation.
10:09:17 >>FRANK REDDICK: Who made the determination that the
10:09:23 percentage of the fund that the city receives goes
10:09:27 directly to the general fund instead of going into
10:09:31 improving the intersection of something?
10:09:38 Who made that determination?
10:09:39 >> I would have to say it would do with the city
10:09:43 administration, because we are focused on the data and
10:09:45 the reallocation of Lee sources and the public safety.
10:09:48 The fact that it went into the general fund, I can't
10:09:50 answer that.
10:09:51 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Thank you for being here.
10:09:55 I did notice that on the map where these were located,
10:10:02 five of them would be in my district.
10:10:04 One of them right across from University of South
10:10:07 Now, we all know that pedestrian accidents, bicycles,
10:10:17 homicide, I would call them that occurred out by the
10:10:19 university and along Fowler Avenue, I drive that route
10:10:23 almost every day, and there are many pedestrians who
10:10:26 cross Fowler Avenue, whether it's at USF or anywhere,
10:10:32 22nd, Nebraska, Florida.
10:10:35 Can you talk to me about -- one of our citizens brought
10:10:39 up the turning aspect and pedestrians of bicyclists
10:10:45 being involved in accidents at turns?
10:10:47 >> When we looked at the intersections and the history
10:10:51 of cities that have used red lights, one thing we
10:10:54 noticed is that some jurisdictions diabetes a right on
10:10:59 red, and we are not against right on red.
10:11:05 I mean, it's against the law to not stop and make a
10:11:08 right on red after a complete stop.
10:11:10 The problem is that that created a citation surge with
10:11:13 the camera system, and even though there are rules that
10:11:18 you can apply, you can actually add speed indicator
10:11:21 before it actually becomes a citation in the business
10:11:26 If you think of a business rule in this situation it
10:11:28 kind of takes the law to another level.
10:11:29 In other words, you have the law that says you have to
10:11:31 stop before the red light.
10:11:32 You can add a business rule that, well, if you are
10:11:35 going to make a right on red, for us to cite you and
10:11:38 the red light system, you have to be going at a certain
10:11:41 speed, not just only run the red light but you have to
10:11:44 be going 10 or 12 miles per hour.
10:11:47 The technology is that sophisticated that you can add
10:11:50 that to it.
10:11:50 Now specifically, we have stayed away from right on red
10:11:55 because there is some concerns about increasing the
10:11:59 number of citations solely because of right on red.
10:12:03 And we haven't necessarily associated that with a
10:12:05 harmful event.
10:12:07 But going to directly to your point is that if we found
10:12:10 an intersection that right on red, for example,
10:12:13 downtown, was a danger to the pedestrians crossing in
10:12:16 the morning, we could turn that part on if we so agreed
10:12:20 that it was in the benefit to the greater community.
10:12:23 But that was not our original intention to do right on
10:12:26 But if we found a crosswalk was in jeopardy because
10:12:29 folks weren't stopping on right on red regardless of
10:12:32 what their speed was, that's something that we could
10:12:34 consider to add intersection by intersection.
10:12:51 >>MIKE COHEN: Is it true when someone receives a red
10:12:53 light citation under this program that citation never
10:12:57 shows on that person's driving record?
10:13:02 >> When they are issued the citation, it starts out an
10:13:07 opportunity to view it, an opportunity like anything
10:13:10 else to pay, or set a court date.
10:13:13 If the citation is handled within the first 30 days, it
10:13:17 does not become a uniform traffic citation as we know
10:13:20 it as issued by law enforcement officer.
10:13:23 However, if it goes unaddressed or unpaid in those 30
10:13:26 days, it does move to uniform traffic citation, but it
10:13:30 still does not become the moving violation that we
10:13:32 would have written in the field had we witnessed it.
10:13:35 >> Do you know why the legislature decided to construct
10:13:40 the law that way that authorizes these citations?
10:13:46 >> I can only speculate.
10:13:47 I couldn't give you a direct answer on that.
10:13:49 >> It's your position that in jurisdictions where these
10:13:59 cameras have been installed, that the number of crashes
10:14:03 have been reduced?
10:14:05 >> Yes, not only the number of crashes but the number
10:14:07 of injuries and equally the number of fatalities.
10:14:11 >> And that data also is true for Hillsborough County
10:14:14 as well in their experience over the past two years
10:14:17 with the camera?
10:14:18 >> In talking to Hillsborough County, their direct data
10:14:21 is that their injury crashes in the intersection
10:14:26 dropped 50% in two years.
10:14:30 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Anyone else?
10:14:33 Let me say this.
10:14:34 I really appreciate the job that the police department
10:14:36 is doing.
10:14:38 There's no doubt that the reduction in crime is because
10:14:42 of the efforts that all, from the chief on down to the
10:14:49 newly enrolled patrol person come in, has done for the
10:14:54 I've heard some concerns from council members, both on
10:14:58 the good side saying wonderful for this and
10:15:04 questionable on other things.
10:15:05 There was certainly a question brought up of cost.
10:15:08 I believe Mr. Cohen brought up the cost about the
10:15:12 Department of Florida, why is that money going there?
10:15:14 Well, I read an article, about $157 million that they
10:15:17 are supposed to get from this entity.
10:15:20 When you have those figures in today's economy, there's
10:15:23 no doubt in my mind that it's going to sail through the
10:15:28 That's how I think.
10:15:29 However, when you also heard concerns about traffic
10:15:33 situations in the City of Tampa, not only in these
10:15:35 locations over the 40 or so that we are talking about,
10:15:39 chief, but throughout the city, how many people do we
10:15:42 have injured there?
10:15:43 How many do we have killed there?
10:15:44 I can tell you there's been many accidents on small
10:15:48 side streets like Ohio and Habana and of this nature.
10:15:52 That's been accidents, four-way stop signs, people that
10:15:55 have been killed in all these areas.
10:15:56 And we have not done a good job in total.
10:16:01 We have somewhat answered the question.
10:16:04 But on intersection and signalization, where we would
10:16:07 improve the signalization, it was not the police
10:16:10 department of that made the concentrated effort that
10:16:14 these moneys go into the general fund.
10:16:17 It was someone else.
10:16:18 So what I'm saying is, what if this money went into
10:16:21 improved traffic signalization, improve the sidewalk
10:16:24 area, improve the pedestrian area, so that we can
10:16:27 reduce the total amount of injuries, the total amount
10:16:30 of deaths throughout the whole city, including the ones
10:16:33 that you are talking about, address them first, chief.
10:16:36 I am with you.
10:16:37 I am not against the cameras.
10:16:38 What I am very concerned about is that these moneys
10:16:41 were going to the general fund, and the way that that
10:16:44 this city and cities throughout this whole country are
10:16:46 today facing great budget deficits, these items may
10:16:49 never get addressed.
10:16:50 That's one.
10:16:52 Secondly, the state gets the proportionate amount.
10:16:56 Well, the state has done very little when they created
10:17:01 the law, and I understand that.
10:17:03 Then the other remaining amount is I guess divided
10:17:06 I'm not sure how the formula is between the vendor and
10:17:09 the city.
10:17:09 However, when you mention 30 days you pay, you don't
10:17:13 have to go to court.
10:17:14 But if you don't pay within the 31st day you are
10:17:18 set for a court hearing.
10:17:19 And if somebody files a suit or litigation against the
10:17:21 city, guess who pays.
10:17:24 It's not the vendor, it is not the state who is paying
10:17:30 the largest proportion amount of money.
10:17:31 It's us.
10:17:32 We have to go out there and issue whether we want to or
10:17:36 not, you have to have your officers there to testify.
10:17:39 We have to have the resources with the legal department
10:17:41 to fight the case, and that costs money.
10:17:45 That could be something else your police officers could
10:17:47 be doing something else on the streets, and the city
10:17:49 attorney could be doing something else, instead of
10:17:52 being in court.
10:17:54 If there was a caveat in there somewhat that
10:17:57 proportionately the state would kick in and the vendor
10:18:01 would kick in, I would support it right now.
10:18:04 And I don't know what this council is going to do.
10:18:06 But I'm for the lights.
10:18:09 But I'm not for the formulation of the mixture of how
10:18:12 the money is brought in, put in the general fund, one.
10:18:17 And, two, the allocation of resources that our
10:18:19 taxpayers are going to have to pay for the state
10:18:24 sitting up there in Tallahassee saying thank you very
10:18:25 much, and the vendor saying whatever state they are in
10:18:28 saying thank you very much, but there's no
10:18:30 proportionate amount, 25% or whatever the vendor gets
10:18:33 and 50% of those costs being allocated back to the
10:18:37 So it's only a one-way street for them.
10:18:39 And we face the hardship of that.
10:18:41 And when you mention Ft. Lauderdale, Ft. Lauderdale, I
10:18:44 guess, is about half the size of the City of Tampa,
10:18:47 somewhat there, and look at the revenue you talked B.so
10:18:51 the revenues of the City of Tampa is much greater than
10:18:54 what was presented here by the administration a week or
10:18:57 so ago.
10:18:58 Again I want to thank you, Chief Castor, and every
10:19:03 enforcement officer that you have in the city.
10:19:05 I want to help.
10:19:07 I want to vote for the lights, but I can't under the
10:19:11 structure that we are being forced.
10:19:12 I don't know what the others are going to do. I can
10:19:15 only speak for one.
10:19:16 But that's just my feeling.
10:19:18 If this was to come back, hold it, come back, with
10:19:21 these arrangements, if the money goes back into the
10:19:24 intersection for traffic signalization and improvements
10:19:26 of the intersection, and improvements of bicycle lanes
10:19:29 and sidewalks around there, it would be a go.
10:19:33 There's an intersection at Neptune and Dale Mabry.
10:19:36 How many accidents have we had there?
10:19:38 One at Columbus drive and MacDill.
10:19:41 They don't have signalization.
10:19:44 They only have turn signals in one direction, not in
10:19:47 all directions. So what I am saying, it has got to be
10:19:50 done, and I agree with you.
10:19:52 I think you have done a great job in your presentation,
10:19:55 you and your lieutenant that have come before us, and
10:19:58 again I am going to stop here and let the council
10:20:00 decide what they would like to do.
10:20:01 Thank you very much for your presentation, chief.
10:20:04 Ms. Capin.
10:20:05 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I also thank you.
10:20:07 Thank you for meeting with Chief Castor and Chief
10:20:09 Bennett yesterday.
10:20:14 I voted last time.
10:20:17 Since then, I have done a lot more in-depth research,
10:20:24 and I also feel that the moneys for engineering,
10:20:29 traffic engineering and those problem areas is not
10:20:33 there, and we need to know that that money is coming,
10:20:38 and that we can count on those intersections, the
10:20:44 engineering of those intersections to make them safer.
10:20:46 Also, left hand turns, fatalities, which have been
10:20:52 nothing to do with red lights, is very -- that would
10:20:55 come under the engineering.
10:20:56 That would be money used, again educate the public on
10:21:01 these issues.
10:21:03 So I too will not be for this today.
10:21:10 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Anyone else?
10:21:11 Ms. Mulhern, then Mr. Reddick.
10:21:13 >>MARY MULHERN: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
10:21:15 I'm just wondering from my colleagues who are concerned
10:21:21 about -- and your concerns, Mr. Chair, and Councilwoman
10:21:26 Capin, what you would specifically -- if you are
10:21:37 requesting a change in funding, where you want to see
10:21:40 Where do you want to see that revenue go?
10:21:43 Where do you want to see it identified?
10:21:46 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: If you are asking me, council member
10:21:48 Mulhern, I would like to see the money identified to go
10:21:51 into directly into a fund for traffic intersection
10:21:55 improvements, and let the administration decide
10:21:59 accordingly just like the chief said where the problems
10:22:02 are, identify those intersections, provide turn
10:22:05 signalization in those intersections, improve the
10:22:08 sidewalks area, if they need to be improved, improve
10:22:11 the bicycle lanes in that, if it could be done, things
10:22:15 that have to be done to the city that have not been
10:22:17 addressed, although we have done a lot of improvements
10:22:20 in those areas.
10:22:21 We haven't come up to par.
10:22:24 And if those funds are diverted into those
10:22:27 intersections, you will have many intersections every
10:22:30 year come up with better lighting, something to express
10:22:34 to the driver that, hey, the light is going to change,
10:22:37 and that little thing that you see with the hand and
10:22:39 the number on it, you look at it at night, you don't
10:22:42 know if it's 12 or 2, because it's too small and you
10:22:45 just can't see that.
10:22:47 It's not the right one.
10:22:49 But that's just my opinion that it should go into that
10:22:51 fund to create improvement for the people who are
10:22:55 paying for it.
10:22:58 We are.
10:22:59 I may have to have a ticket before I realize -- and
10:23:04 when you drive around all of us in this room and all of
10:23:07 us watching today, not one of us have not seen somebody
10:23:10 take a red light.
10:23:11 All of us have seen that.
10:23:13 You stop and the guy or lady next to you zooms by.
10:23:17 And those things are a real problem.
10:23:18 I have to understand that.
10:23:19 But I believe that that money is best used in traffic
10:23:23 improvement signalization for the whole city.
10:23:27 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Thank you.
10:23:32 In a simple sentence, it is traffic engineering to
10:23:34 bring that money into, which is again the intersection
10:23:39 engineering, the right turn signals, having the correct
10:23:45 turn signals.
10:23:46 Again, this be is exactly what chairman Miranda said.
10:23:53 But it's traffic engineering to make it safer for
10:23:57 I would -- I really want to support this.
10:24:01 I would like to see us use the money in a better way.
10:24:07 Or not in a better way.
10:24:09 Actually in a directive way.
10:24:11 >>MARY MULHERN: Is there someone here that maybe can
10:24:16 speak to this?
10:24:18 Do we have a fund that we could do this with now?
10:24:23 I mean, I think this is kind of an administration
10:24:26 question, right, on budgets?
10:24:28 >> I think so.
10:24:29 But I can say from my side of the experience, I have to
10:24:32 go back to 2004 when I was put on the task force based
10:24:35 on the fatality, unrelated to red lights, where
10:24:40 pedestrians, joggers, are hit by motor vehicles.
10:24:44 I can say the front end of that task force was
10:24:46 enforcement and education.
10:24:48 We made sure that everybody under the speed limit.
10:24:50 A lot of folks that were speeding in that area lived in
10:24:52 that area.
10:24:53 We were able to completely invert that to enforcement.
10:24:57 And then because of the enforcement and the dedication
10:24:59 of in a different economic time, the engineering kicked
10:25:04 So the police department is in agreement of the
10:25:06 engineering concern that goes with the total picture of
10:25:10 public safety, because if it's engineered right, then
10:25:13 you may not need an officer or camera or anything else.
10:25:17 So to council's point on that, we completely understand
10:25:19 our concern is these crashes are happening right now,
10:25:22 today, to the tune of 90 in three years at each
10:25:30 intersection, injuries, time management from every walk
10:25:34 of life, not to mention the police department's
10:25:36 resources. So if we don't have a beginning point we
10:25:38 are not going to have anything to allocate at that
10:25:40 point which is our concern.
10:25:41 >>MARY MULHERN: And your expectation is that -- you
10:25:46 are able to generate more money from this?
10:25:48 That could be put into this?
10:25:50 >> Well, going into -- the police department is funded
10:25:53 bits general fund but it was never designed that way
10:25:56 from our perspective.
10:25:57 Two things for us was the education and the efficiency.
10:26:01 >>MARY MULHERN: Pi understand that.
10:26:03 But what your expectation from the other municipalities
10:26:08 and from the county, that there are more fines being
10:26:18 paid than there were before they put those in?
10:26:20 >> The compliance rate, because the evidence is so
10:26:23 strong and the fact that you can watch your own car
10:26:25 going through the intersection, it's a great compliance
10:26:29 rate on the fines, and of course it's close to $100
10:26:32 less than if a police officer gave you one in the
10:26:34 intersection, and it's a moving violation in that case.
10:26:37 So there's a great compliance.
10:26:39 And of course when they go to court that as well
10:26:44 because of the strong evidence.
10:26:45 >> I just have to say that I didn't support this the
10:26:49 first time, but I am going to support it this time
10:26:52 because I just feel like the improvement and safety
10:27:00 reduction and fatalities.
10:27:04 And I'm the strongest supporter of greater pedestrian
10:27:08 safety, greater bicycle safety.
10:27:11 We are working on a pedestrian safety action plan with
10:27:15 the county and with the MPO.
10:27:19 We have been working on that.
10:27:20 And we are going to do that.
10:27:22 And I know that our police department -- and I am sure
10:27:25 that the new administration is committed to that.
10:27:28 So I think this is a step in the right direction, and I
10:27:35 think that -- I hope that the administration is hearing
10:27:39 from this council that we want to make sure that
10:27:43 revenue from this does go back into safety engineering
10:27:48 and into improvements in those intersections, and I
10:27:54 think we just have to work towards that as the budget
10:27:57 comes to us and make sure that that money is in there.
10:28:01 >> I think, too, just to follow up, not only do you
10:28:05 have the public safety awareness and the 30-day warning
10:28:09 period to get a lot of education out there, whether
10:28:11 it's direct or indirect education, on the backside, we
10:28:15 do have opt-out clauses in this contract if it's not
10:28:18 So after 180 days, if we have an intersection for the
10:28:22 whole program, of course, in any -- this is a
10:28:27 cost-neutral program.
10:28:29 The city is not going to be out any money to get this
10:28:31 off the ground.
10:28:32 As a matter of fact, we are starting out by gaining
10:28:34 money, $50,000 for public safety awareness.
10:28:36 But after a period of time, if we don't think as a city
10:28:39 this is working directly by our data even, by the time
10:28:42 we even get into the next fiscal year, we can severe
10:28:51 that relationship.
10:28:52 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I too am in agreement with
10:28:55 Councilwoman Mulhern.
10:28:57 Pedestrian safety is very important, and I have seen
10:29:01 plenty of ambulances out in my district, Fowler, Busch
10:29:07 Boulevard with running red lights.
10:29:10 And it's important.
10:29:12 But correct me if I am wrong.
10:29:14 And I think Ms. Mulhern, Councilwoman Mulhern addressed
10:29:20 Once the program is in place, the revenue and where the
10:29:22 revenue is directed, isn't there an ability for us
10:29:28 during the budget process to direct those fund into
10:29:31 traffic safety, and during the budget process, wouldn't
10:29:40 we be able to amend --
10:29:45 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: It takes five votes to change that
10:29:48 And the last time we got five votes against the mayor,
10:29:50 I had curls.
10:29:54 [ Laughter ]
10:29:57 >>CHARLES FLETCHER: City attorney.
10:30:04 Typically with the vendor we don't put how the city
10:30:09 utilizes the funding generated.
10:30:14 Chairman Miranda's reference to five votes, if there's
10:30:17 a need to override a mayor's veto, you could work with
10:30:20 the administration to put it in the budget, proposed by
10:30:23 the administration as described, or you all can amend
10:30:26 the budget to do that once it's submitted to council.
10:30:29 So it would be a separate action.
10:30:32 It wouldn't be done as part of this approval, but you
10:30:34 certainly have the authority to make that happen
10:30:36 through the budget process.
10:30:42 Cohen cone I was originally somewhat skeptical of this
10:30:46 program, because I really philosophically disagree with
10:30:50 the legislature's taking traffic infractions out of the
10:30:54 uniform traffic enforcement system that exists in the
10:30:59 I don't think it's a good idea when people commit
10:31:02 violations that those violations don't end up on the
10:31:05 record, that the department of highway safety and motor
10:31:08 vehicles puts in fronts of judges that make decisions
10:31:12 about who continues to drive, and who might lose their
10:31:17 driver's license.
10:31:18 But I am going to support this because I think the
10:31:21 evidence is really very, very strong that it will save
10:31:27 lives, that people will -- this will be a deterrent
10:31:31 from people running red lights.
10:31:33 And just to go back to the question for a minute that I
10:31:35 asked you about why the statute was set up the way that
10:31:40 it was.
10:31:41 I think it's because the cameras only take pictures of
10:31:44 the license plates.
10:31:45 They don't take a picture of the person who is actually
10:31:49 driving the vehicle.
10:31:50 So for the people that were in the audience expressing
10:31:53 concern about surveillance, that's the reason that
10:31:59 these citations don't make it to court.
10:32:02 It's because they are not sophisticated enough in the
10:32:06 photographer to be able to actually identify the person
10:32:09 who is driving the vehicle.
10:32:10 >> That is correct.
10:32:13 It's a nonintrusive form of photograph and video.
10:32:20 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Councilman Suarez.
10:32:21 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you, chief.
10:32:23 Some of your arguments and discussions that we have had
10:32:25 here talk about the public safety issue versus revenue
10:32:30 Please correct me if I am wrong, but the amount of
10:32:33 money that we are going to make on a per citation basis
10:32:36 is somewhere in the neighborhood of, what, 10 to $20
10:32:39 be? Is that what it is?
10:32:44 >> Excuse me for a minute, but the fine structure, the
10:32:46 way it's broken down, and I think in conversations is
10:32:52 what we look at is the conventional citation system by
10:32:55 the time it goes through all the disbursements, and
10:32:59 again we are not talking about a red light citation but
10:33:02 normal day to day officer-witness citation, and then if
10:33:05 we have to go to court, we are subject to making, by
10:33:08 the time it works its way through the city system.
10:33:11 In this case, the $158 fine, of course, 83 goes to the
10:33:17 state and the trust fund, $75 comes to the
10:33:20 jurisdiction, and then after we add our administration
10:33:23 of the process, and we pay the vendor per approach, I
10:33:29 really don't know what the final number will be because
10:33:31 it's going to depend -- the one thing I do know is if
10:33:34 we don't have any citations we don't --
10:33:39 >> Right.
10:33:41 >> But it's a smaller point.
10:33:42 >> By the time it gets to the city, it's not a great
10:33:46 revenue generator anyway.
10:33:48 >> And again, I think the volume, you know, the nice
10:33:52 thing about it is anything we have seen studywise, the
10:33:56 citations drop off immediately because the education
10:33:59 before the enforcement, and the enforcement leg.
10:34:02 So it would be a declining to start with. Yes, by the
10:34:05 time it goes through all the filters, and all the
10:34:07 administration costs for us, it boils down to public
10:34:10 safety decision more than a money-making decision.
10:34:14 >> Thank you.
10:34:16 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Mr. Reddick?
10:34:19 >>FRANK REDDICK: I think we all up here support public
10:34:22 safety and would like to live in a community that we
10:34:24 can drive through and be safe.
10:34:27 So I don't have a problem what you are trying to
10:34:30 And I don't want no one to get the impression that we
10:34:33 don't care about public safety, and that's the wrong
10:34:36 conclusion to draw.
10:34:37 But I live in a community where a lot of these signs
10:34:46 are going to be placed.
10:34:47 And I think it's a disservice to my community, in East
10:34:52 Tampa particularly, when you have that number of red
10:34:57 light cameras that will be installed in that community.
10:35:00 I think it's a disservice to the people that I
10:35:06 And I cannot support putting that number of red light
10:35:10 cameras in one section of the community.
10:35:16 It is too many.
10:35:18 And some are within a mile or two, and that's just too
10:35:26 And I just cannot support it.
10:35:29 Secondly, we have some of the worst infrastructure
10:35:36 needs in East Tampa when it comes to sidewalks, road
10:35:41 improvements, and we cannot utilize some of those
10:35:44 dollars to help improve the infrastructure need for
10:35:50 that community.
10:35:52 It is also a disservice to the community.
10:35:54 And, therefore, I would not vote to support this.
10:35:58 But I will vote if you are willing to come back here
10:36:03 and restructure this that will be more equitable to the
10:36:10 community and I can support it.
10:36:12 We have a police substation in East Tampa on 22nd
10:36:16 The cameras are going to be a few blocks from there on
10:36:22 And Martin Luther King.
10:36:23 And go a little further to 22nd and Hillsborough, and
10:36:29 the substation is less than a mile or mile and a half
10:36:32 from there.
10:36:33 So I'm willing to support it, law enforcement in the
10:36:40 city, but I don't wants to see one community
10:36:43 overburdened with these many signs.
10:36:48 That's my only concern.
10:36:49 So unless there is a recommendation to change that, I
10:36:54 cannot vote to support it.
10:36:55 >> Sir, I just want to indicate from my understanding
10:36:58 of looking at the data, out of the 20 intersections and
10:37:03 29 approaches, there was only three on the east side of
10:37:08 town on Hillsborough, and it was again because of the
10:37:11 data crashes.
10:37:12 There was one at 50th and Adamo and the others on
10:37:17 So three out of the 20.
10:37:18 So I want to make sure that I didn't infer that 20 of
10:37:21 them were going in East Tampa.
10:37:22 They are all over the city 20.
10:37:24 Only three of them are on east Hillsborough.
10:37:28 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Thank you.
10:37:28 I am looking at the map, and actually you could
10:37:35 probably put it on the overhead.
10:37:37 You tried to cover the city pretty evenly, although I
10:37:43 know it was by the most dangerous intersections.
10:37:50 But it seems to be covered pretty well and pretty
10:37:57 >> You are looking at the north-south view if you want
10:38:11 to orient this for everybody.
10:38:13 The numbers are associated with the rankings.
10:38:15 Of course, you can see to the far north in New Tampa,
10:38:18 number 19 is Amber Lee and Bruce B. Downs.
10:38:22 And then you work war way down, you see Fowler Avenue,
10:38:25 Florida Avenue, waters, and you see the stretch of
10:38:28 Hillsborough from city limit to city limit.
10:38:30 Again, 50s oops that's
10:38:43 You see Dale Mabry.
10:38:44 You see the one I talked about, Tampa street and
10:38:48 I'm sorry, Tampa and Kennedy.
10:38:49 And then you see 50th and Adamo to the east.
10:38:54 And then to the very south you see Gandy.
10:38:57 As a matter of fact, there's three in the short span of
10:39:00 >> A quarter mile from my house.
10:39:02 >> It's probably the commuter traffic, of course.
10:39:05 Associated for that.
10:39:06 And, you know, again, I should reiterate these are not
10:39:12 final destinations.
10:39:13 These are data driven analysis that was a starting
10:39:16 If we go in the field with the engineers and the
10:39:19 vendor, the final landing point of these may not be
10:39:22 these exact locations.
10:39:23 This is just pure data-driven analysis for three years.
10:39:28 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you, council.
10:39:29 Let me just say one thing.
10:39:30 Again, I support the cameras, but what we have not
10:39:34 discussed is, yes, we are looking at 20 intersections.
10:39:38 But how many intersections are not going to be improved
10:39:41 because there's no money in traffic signalization?
10:39:44 How many deaths occurred in those intersections?
10:39:47 Spruce and Himes, there was a death there a year or so
10:39:52 There's many intersections in the city where deaths
10:39:55 record it because of traffic accident or bicyclists or
10:39:59 people walk being that are not part of the
10:40:02 Those are going to be muted and forgotten to some
10:40:05 degree because the moneys are not there for the traffic
10:40:08 I am going to ask council for a vote and looking for a
10:40:10 motion up or down.
10:40:14 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I move we -- I move we vote for the --
10:40:19 we vote not to address today.
10:40:28 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion by Mrs. Capin not to
10:40:31 I have a second by Mr. Reddick.
10:40:33 Are you red for a vote on denial of 32?
10:40:35 I am going to call for roll call vote from my right to
10:40:42 Mr. Suarez.
10:40:43 >>MIKE SUAREZ: No.
10:40:45 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Yes.
10:40:48 >> I'm sorry, what was your vote?
10:40:51 >> No.
10:40:55 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Yes.
10:40:55 >>FRANK REDDICK: Yes.
10:40:58 >>MARY MULHERN: No.
10:41:00 >>MIKE COHEN: No.
10:41:02 >>LISA MONTELIONE: No.
10:41:04 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I vote yes.
10:41:04 So it passes on reversal.
10:41:10 We need a motion since the motion failed by a 4-3 vote.
10:41:13 Now we need a motion for approval by council member in
10:41:17 the affirmative.
10:41:17 >>MARY MULHERN: Move to approve.
10:41:21 >> Second.
10:41:22 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Seconded by Mr. Cohen.
10:41:24 We go left to right this time.
10:41:27 Ms. Montelione.
10:41:28 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Yes.
10:41:32 >>MIKE COHEN: Yes.
10:41:34 >>MARY MULHERN: Yes.
10:41:36 >>FRANK REDDICK: No.
10:41:37 >>YVONNE CAPIN: No.
10:41:39 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Yes.
10:41:41 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: And I vote no.
10:41:42 It passes 4-3.
10:41:46 Thank you very much.
10:41:51 >>YVONNE CAPIN: We are going to rely on your memory.
10:41:53 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I won't let you down.
10:41:54 We are at item number 33.
10:41:56 It's a staff report regarding the City of Tampa,
10:42:00 between the City of Tampa and regarding technology
10:42:08 improvement system that would enhance everything we do
10:42:10 in the city.
10:42:12 City clerk.
10:42:12 >>THE CLERK: Shirley Foxx-Knowles, city clerk.
10:42:17 Council, as custodian of the record and sponsor of the
10:42:22 enterprise content management project, I am requesting
10:42:26 your approval of the agreement with SIRE technologies.
10:42:31 This document management project will provide for
10:42:34 electronic record city-wide.
10:42:39 This is a cutting edge project that will help us
10:42:41 simplify our records.
10:42:43 It will provide for better efficiencies city-wide,
10:42:48 provide for better decision making, provide for better
10:42:53 collaboration, ease of accepting documents. It will
10:42:58 reduce our storage costs, streamline the business
10:43:02 processes, provide ease of searching and retrieving
10:43:06 documents, and the city will be going green.
10:43:10 The project's focus was on unstructured electronic and
10:43:15 paper content, work flow and collaboration, converting
10:43:19 paper records to digital format, consolidating share
10:43:27 drives to a centralized repository.
10:43:29 The return on investment is approximately three years.
10:43:34 After that, there will be recurring savings to the city
10:43:38 in terms of efficiencies, storage, decision making,
10:43:45 et cetera.
10:43:45 I would like to say thanks to TMI, our technology and
10:43:50 innovation department, the team of city employees
10:43:53 working on this project, the legal department,
10:44:05 purchasing department.
10:44:06 Again I am requesting your approval of this project.
10:44:09 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Any questions?
10:44:11 >> Move to approve.
10:44:13 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Motion by Mr. Reddick, seconded by
10:44:15 Mrs. Mulhern.
10:44:17 All in favor?
10:44:18 Motion passes unanimously.
10:44:20 Thanks very much, Ms. Knolls.
10:44:22 We come to the 10:30 items.
10:44:24 This is a public hearing, which is a quasi-judicial.
10:44:28 Witnesses have to be sworn in any items received by
10:44:32 council members or anyone else in this room from the
10:44:34 city, in the form of faxes, e-mails, or items have to
10:44:38 be received and filed prior to the hearing.
10:44:41 Do I hear a motion to receive all of these items?
10:44:46 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Motion.
10:44:49 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Motion by Mrs. Montelione, seconded
10:44:51 by Mr. Reddick.
10:44:52 The Ayes have it unanimously.
10:44:57 We need to swear everybody who is going to Steve.
10:44:59 All those in the room who are going to testify to item
10:45:01 34, please raise your right hand.
10:45:03 (Oath administered by Clerk)
10:45:05 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I need a motion to open 34.
10:45:13 >>FRANK REDDICK: So moved.
10:45:17 >>MIKE COHEN: Second.
10:45:18 >>: All in favor?
10:45:19 The Ayes have it unanimously.
10:45:22 This is a public hearing.
10:45:23 So the public is entitled to speak as soon as all
10:45:26 the -- I am going to let you present it.
10:45:29 Because you haven't presented anything.
10:45:33 You are going to speak about something we don't know
10:45:35 too much about.
10:45:35 >>BARBARA LYNCH: Land Development Coordination.
10:45:38 C-11-04 is a request to vacate an alleyway located
10:45:43 north of downtown.
10:45:44 I have a map for the overhead.
10:45:50 The property is in red and the alley to be vacated is
10:45:53 shown in yellow.
10:45:54 The alley lies between Estelle and Henderson and
10:45:57 Franklin Street to Florida Avenue.
10:46:00 All the people that have property, there's four owners.
10:46:05 I have some photos of the alley.
10:46:07 The first is the alley looking east from Franklin
10:46:17 The second alley is looking west from Florida Avenue.
10:46:22 And the next pictures are the petitioner's property.
10:46:25 This is the petitioner's property abutting Franklin
10:46:28 Street on the south side.
10:46:32 And the next is the petitioner's property abutting
10:46:35 Franklin Street on the north side of the alley.
10:46:39 And then petitioner's property abutting Florida Avenue.
10:46:45 And then another property on Florida.
10:46:50 When we went out to take pictures there, was a dumpster
10:46:53 located in the alley.
10:46:55 But when we talked to the owner that's there
10:46:58 temporarily while they do construction
10:47:01 The petitioners have cross access agreements and they
10:47:06 can continue to use the alley, and the brick street,
10:47:08 they want to keep it intact, and in the ordinance there
10:47:11 is a provision that the alley will stay intact, and if
10:47:17 they take the brick up they would have to come back to
10:47:19 City Council to get approval for that.
10:47:27 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Is petitioner here?
10:47:32 >> My name is Philip Clark.
10:47:34 I'm here on behalf of the petitioners.
10:47:38 The petitioners are all the adjacent property owners on
10:47:41 this alley.
10:47:42 The alley is currently not maintained by the city.
10:47:46 It's a brick alley but is deeply rutted, difficult to
10:47:50 walk through, is unlit, there's no trash collection in
10:47:54 the alley and there is no really traffic to speak of in
10:47:57 this alley.
10:47:58 It's currently occupied primarily at night and weekend
10:48:01 by transient persons, and it's become a difficult area
10:48:04 in the neighborhood.
10:48:05 It's a bit of a blight preventing redevelopment by the
10:48:08 adjacent property owners.
10:48:10 It's a dangerous, unsafe and unhealthy area.
10:48:14 We are seeking to abandon this land and allow the
10:48:18 adjacent owners to maintain the alley.
10:48:22 We want to replace the brick in accordance with DPW
10:48:30 Once -- the brick will be maintained in place.
10:48:35 I believe this will increase the tax base, eliminate
10:48:37 the city's obligation to maintain the property and it's
10:48:39 going to facilitate development in the area.
10:48:41 We think it's a win-win situation.
10:48:44 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you.
10:48:45 Anyone in the audience care to speak to this item
10:48:47 number 34?
10:48:49 I see no one.
10:48:50 Councilwoman Mulhern.
10:48:51 >>MARY MULHERN: I guess my question is with the
10:48:57 vacation, you can't build anything on it.
10:48:59 >> No, we would not.
10:49:01 >> Can they build a fence?
10:49:02 Are you planning to build a fence?
10:49:04 >> We had planned to put a fence across either side of
10:49:06 the alley.
10:49:08 We have spoken to city planning, and they have
10:49:10 determined there's no prohibition on that.
10:49:12 And what the petitioners would plan to do is have a
10:49:16 gate that will open electronically six days a week from
10:49:21 7 a.m. in the morning till 5 p.m.
10:49:23 All the petitioners would have gates codes.
10:49:26 We also plan to provide those to city departments
10:49:31 requiring those.
10:49:31 My law firm is across the street from this alley, a
10:49:34 similar relationship that worked very well for 16
10:49:37 >> So are there going to be gates on either end?
10:49:40 >> Yes, ma'am.
10:49:43 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Any other city department or city
10:49:44 legal staff or anyone want to comment?
10:49:47 >> City of Tampa legal department.
10:49:50 I want to remind you that I did submit to City Council
10:49:53 a memorandum regarding the standard of review for
10:49:54 vacations of right.
10:49:57 It does become private property, but this property
10:50:00 owner relating to the brick streets which do require
10:50:05 separate public hearing to brick street, to maintain
10:50:08 the bricks, and if there's any other permits needed to
10:50:12 installing a gate or anything such as that, that would
10:50:14 have to go through a separate permitting process.
10:50:19 As any private property would have to.
10:50:21 Thank you.
10:50:22 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Ms. Mulhern?
10:50:24 >>MARY MULHERN: Ms. Cole, can I ask you a few
10:50:27 My concerns when I see this is other times we have
10:50:30 vacated alleys and then later on there's a structure
10:50:39 I'm just concerned for the future how this will affect
10:50:42 the possibility of building over that alley.
10:50:47 >>JULIA COLE: In this instance, because it does have
10:50:50 brick which falls under our brick ordinance, our street
10:50:54 ordinance, in order for them to move forward to build
10:50:57 some kind of structure which would impact the brick, if
10:51:00 they were to lay a structure on top of the brick, they
10:51:03 couldn't just do that.
10:51:04 They would have to come back to City Council and
10:51:05 request to remove the brick.
10:51:07 In this particular instance because of the nature of
10:51:09 this alleyway.
10:51:11 That being said, if this were just a regular old alley
10:51:14 and it becomes private property, then they can do
10:51:17 whatever they want to do under city code.
10:51:19 >>MARY MULHERN: And there's going to be access for
10:51:33 >> There's going to be an easement for Verizon.
10:51:36 And that would preclude putting a structure there, as
10:51:38 well as the petitioners are entering into easements as
10:51:43 a condition of vacation because they wouldn't be able
10:51:46 to build because it would be blocking access as well.
10:51:52 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Other questions by council members?
10:51:54 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I'm just a little confused because
10:51:57 I had heard you say that to remove the brick would take
10:52:00 a separate public hearing, they would have to come back
10:52:03 and request that.
10:52:04 But for the petitioner to state the bricks were going
10:52:11 to be removed, the street would be leveled?
10:52:13 >> I think they are going to regrade the street and the
10:52:16 bricks go back.
10:52:16 >> But that would require a separate permit and that
10:52:18 would require inspection?
10:52:20 >> It would require an inspection for them to pick the
10:52:23 brick up, level, and then go ahead and put it back.
10:52:29 But if they wanted to remove the brick, they would have
10:52:32 to come back to a separate public hearing, to remove
10:52:35 the brick and have this be private property with no
10:52:39 >> I just want to make it clear that that process would
10:52:41 be inspected and that the bricks would be put back, and
10:52:48 if they were removed from the street level then, oops,
10:52:50 the brick isn't put back.
10:52:53 >> If that would happen that would be a violation of
10:52:55 their code.
10:52:56 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Petitioner, anything additional?
10:52:58 >> If I may address those two items.
10:53:01 Both the restriction on construction and the
10:53:04 requirements regarding removal of the brick would be in
10:53:07 the ordinance, which will be attached to the agreement,
10:53:10 so it's going to be equivalent to separation of code,
10:53:17 one running with the land so the property could not be
10:53:19 built on, it would be equivalent to what you have in a
10:53:21 typical subdivision.
10:53:23 >>MARY MULHERN: I'm sorry I'm having all these
10:53:26 And this isn't for you.
10:53:27 Is there a public safety -- I guess transportation
10:53:33 signed off on this?
10:53:36 Just the idea of blocking this alley off.
10:53:40 I want to make sure.
10:53:41 >> It did get approved.
10:53:42 >> And what about public safety?
10:53:53 Is that in our report?
10:53:54 >> On the second page, Tampa Fire Rescue.
10:54:16 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Anyone else in the audience that may
10:54:17 want to speak on this item?
10:54:19 I see no one.
10:54:20 I need a motion to close.
10:54:22 Moved by Mr. Reddick, seconded by Mrs. Capin.
10:54:25 All in favor to close indicate by saying Aye.
10:54:28 Opposed, nay.
10:54:28 I need to move this item.
10:54:30 Mr. Reddick, would you read this, please?
10:54:32 >>FRANK REDDICK: Move an ordinance vacating closing
10:54:39 continuing abandoning a certain right-of-way all that
10:54:42 alleyway lying north of LaSalle street, west of --
10:54:50 Estelle street, west of North Florida Avenue, North
10:54:53 Franklin Street, Tampa, Hillsborough County, Florida,
10:54:58 more fully described in section 2 hereof, providing an
10:55:05 effective date.
10:55:06 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion by Mr. Reddick.
10:55:08 Second by Mrs. Montelione.
10:55:10 All in favor of the motion please indicate by saying
10:55:14 Opposed, nay.
10:55:15 The Ayes have it unanimously.
10:55:16 Thank you all very much.
10:55:17 >>THE CLERK: Second reading of the ordinance will be
10:55:20 held April 21st at 9:30 a.m.
10:55:27 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Now we go to our 10:30 report which
10:55:29 would also be a quasi-judicial hearing which requires
10:55:31 any items that we have received through e-mail or mail
10:55:35 or phone call or whatever that you have to be presented
10:55:40 for the record.
10:55:46 Anyone has all that?
10:55:51 I need to open item number 35.
10:55:53 I have a motion by Mrs. Mulhern to open, seconded by
10:55:57 Mr. Reddick.
10:55:59 All in favor indicate by saying Aye.
10:56:01 The ayes have it.
10:56:01 All these people that are good citizens here that are
10:56:03 going to testify to this, if you have not been sworn,
10:56:06 at this time please stand up and be sworn if you are
10:56:08 going to speak on item number 35.
10:56:10 Anyone in the audience who has not been sworn who is
10:56:12 going to speak on this item.
10:56:13 (Oath administered by Clerk).
10:56:26 >>CATHERINE COYLE: Zoning administrator for the city.
10:56:27 The case before you is V-11-119 is north 7th
10:56:33 Avenue, requesting a 4(COP-R) which is beer, wine and
10:56:36 liquor, on-site consumption only in association with a
10:56:41 The application does indicate that it is a restaurant
10:56:42 use known as Sundays within Ybor City.
10:56:46 The property is zoned YC-1, contains approximately 4289
10:56:50 square feet over two floors, the occupant load is shown
10:56:53 at 121 on the site plan.
10:56:56 No parking is required within the core of Ybor City,
10:56:58 according to chapter 27.
10:57:00 There are no objections from staff.
10:57:07 There are just a couple of site plans. For your
10:57:09 reference the site is on north 7th Avenue lying
10:57:13 between 20th and 19th.
10:57:16 For a visual reference, this is the storefront.
10:57:27 In the staff report it says the two legal descriptions
10:57:29 shown on the bottom of the plan and correct the site
10:57:32 data table under existing building to read 4289 square
10:57:37 Just for your reference so you can see it on the plan
10:57:39 that you have.
10:57:39 There's a legal description here.
10:57:42 And here that needs to be stricken that are duplicates
10:57:46 and stated incorrectly.
10:57:49 And then within the site data table, as I mentioned,
10:57:51 the square footage needs to read 4289 instead of 3325.
10:57:57 Again, there are no objections from staff.
10:57:59 Just minor site plan changes which occurred or allowed
10:58:03 to occur between first and second reading.
10:58:06 If council is inclined to approve this, you would make
10:58:08 that part of the motion to direct those applicants to
10:58:11 make those changes.
10:58:12 On page 2 the other establishments within 1,000 feet to
10:58:16 which they are asking waivers, pages 3 through 5
10:58:19 include the criteria for special use for this
10:58:21 particular request as well as the general standards for
10:58:24 special use permit.
10:58:27 TPD is here as well for comment.
10:58:29 >> Officer Don Miller, City of Tampa police department.
10:58:38 City of Tampa police department has no objections to
10:58:40 this special use 2 request.
10:58:44 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Petitioner?
10:58:58 >>> David Sunday, 1919 East 7th Avenue.
10:59:05 I just want to say we have been waiting four months to
10:59:07 open this.
10:59:08 We have two bars inside of the restaurant.
10:59:12 We are not planning on being a nightclub. We are a
10:59:14 fine dining place.
10:59:23 Steak and duck. We are not planning to be open past 1
10:59:27 We are asking to be open till 3 a.m. in case we do have
10:59:31 some kind of special event requiring us to stay open a
10:59:35 little bit later than the norm.
10:59:38 That's all.
10:59:39 >>: Would anyone in the audience like to speak on this
10:59:41 >> Vince Pardo, City of Tampa, Ybor development.
10:59:51 Ybor development is very much in support of this.
10:59:54 It is in concert with our vision plan, our CRA plan.
10:59:56 This is a restaurant use.
10:59:58 It's a restaurant use, the restaurant is very good and
11:00:03 very much needed use in this particular block in the
11:00:07 future so we are glad to see this.
11:00:12 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you.
11:00:12 Anyone else?
11:00:15 Petitioner, do you have anything else to add?
11:00:17 Thank you very much.
11:00:19 I need to close the public hearing.
11:00:22 >> Move to close.
11:00:23 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Motion to close by Mr. Reddick,
11:00:25 seconded by Mrs. Capin.
11:00:26 All in favor indicate by saying Aye.
11:00:28 Opposed, nay.
11:00:29 I need the maker of the motion for approval or denial.
11:00:32 >> Motion to approve.
11:00:34 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Motion by Mrs. Montelione to
11:00:36 approve, however with all the clarifications of all the
11:00:39 documents that were brought in by Ms. Coyle as part of
11:00:42 the record.
11:00:42 >>THE CLERK: We don't have the ordinance for you to
11:00:49 >> Oh, we don't?
11:00:50 We have one now.
11:00:53 You have the voice of power, young lady.
11:01:05 Did we close the hearing?
11:01:07 All right, go on.
11:01:08 >>LISA MONTELIONE: An ordinance approving a special
11:01:12 use permit S-2 for alcoholic beverage sales small venue
11:01:15 making lawful the sale of beverages regard containing
11:01:18 alcoholic content beer wine and liquor 4(COP-R) for
11:01:21 consumption on premises only in connection with a
11:01:24 restaurant business establishment or at or from that
11:01:29 certain lot, plot or tract of land located at 1919 East
11:01:32 7th Avenue, Tampa, Florida, as more particularly
11:01:34 described in section 2 hereof imposing certain
11:01:37 conditions based upon the location of the property,
11:01:40 providing for repeal of all ordinances in conflict,
11:01:42 providing an effective date.
11:01:43 >> Along with that the record that Ms. Coyle brought up
11:01:47 and all other items that she brought up are included in
11:01:49 your motion.
11:01:50 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Yes, sir.
11:01:53 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Seconded by Mr. Suarez.
11:01:55 Any other discussion by council members?
11:01:56 All in favor of the motion, please indicate by saying
11:01:59 Opposed, nay.
11:01:59 The Ayes have it unanimously.
11:02:01 Thank you very much for attending.
11:02:02 >>THE CLERK: Second reading of the ordinance will be
11:02:04 held April 21st at 9:30 a.m.
11:02:09 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: We get to that part of the agenda
11:02:11 for information reports or new business.
11:02:13 This week I am going right to left.
11:02:14 We start with Mr. Suarez.
11:02:16 >>MIKE SUAREZ: No reports at this time.
11:02:18 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
11:02:19 You are a great council member.
11:02:21 Mrs. Capin.
11:02:23 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Yes.
11:02:24 I would like to make a motion to present a commendation
11:02:27 to Alexander Fitzgerald, Boy Scout troop 4, Gulf ridge
11:02:33 council on obtaining rank of Eagle Scout, the
11:02:36 commendation will be presented April 11 at his family.
11:02:40 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Motion by Mrs. Capin for, seconded
11:02:44 by Mr. Reddick.
11:02:45 The Ayes have it unanimously.
11:02:47 Any other?
11:02:48 Mr. Reddick?
11:02:50 >>FRANK REDDICK: Mr. Chairman, I have two.
11:02:52 One is make a motion to present a commendation to three
11:02:59 individuals retiring from the Baptist church, Reverend
11:03:03 Foster Garvin, Brother Nathaniel Green, 30-year
11:03:10 custodian, and Sister Delores Wheeler, 40-year church
11:03:14 >> I have a motion by Mr. Reddick, seconded by Mrs.
11:03:18 Are you going to present them?
11:03:19 I understand that.
11:03:20 All in favor of the motion please indicate by saying
11:03:22 Opposed, nay.
11:03:24 The Ayes have it unanimously.
11:03:27 Mrs. Mulhern.
11:03:28 >>FRANK REDDICK: I have one more.
11:03:29 A commendation for Brownie Mae Herbin who is a church
11:03:34 and family friend hosting a 90th birthday
11:03:39 I will present the commendation.
11:03:43 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Seconded by Mrs. Mulhern.
11:03:44 All in favor?
11:03:46 The Ayes have it unanimously.
11:03:48 Ms. Mulhern.
11:03:48 >>MARY MULHERN: I have nothing.
11:03:51 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you.
11:03:51 A great council member.
11:03:52 >> No new business.
11:03:54 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Great council member.
11:03:57 Mrs. Montelione?
11:03:58 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I do have new business.
11:04:00 We had a fantastic workshop yesterday with Mr. She will
11:04:05 by and a couple other members of the legal department,
11:04:08 and I would like to propose that another workshop be
11:04:11 We didn't get to discuss all of the items that Mr.
11:04:14 Shelby had on his schedule for us to discuss.
11:04:18 >> Second.
11:04:21 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Do you know what date you want?
11:04:23 >>LISA MONTELIONE: No.
11:04:24 I had asked Mr. Shelby to coordinate with council on
11:04:27 our calendars sometime within the next two or three
11:04:31 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I will work with Mr. Shelby.
11:04:33 We'll get that done.
11:04:36 All in favor of that motion made by Ms. Mulhern,
11:04:40 seconded by Mrs. Capin, please say Aye.
11:04:43 The Ayes have it unanimously.
11:04:46 >>CATHERINE COYLE: I just want to introduce myself.
11:04:47 I'm the zoning administrator of the city as I mentioned
11:04:50 Several of you knew members, I just wants to let you
11:04:53 know that I am here to help in any way that I can.
11:04:56 I administer the sign code as well as the alcoholic
11:04:58 beverage code.
11:04:59 Any questions on any of those items.
11:05:00 I also am willing to come forward for a collective
11:05:03 workshop or individually, if you have any questions on
11:05:05 any of the quasi-judicial proceedings that we have, any
11:05:08 parts of the different city codes that we have, and how
11:05:11 we administer them.
11:05:15 I am available if you would like to have a workshop.
11:05:18 >> Anyone in the audience care to make any comments at
11:05:21 this time?
11:05:21 I see none.
11:05:25 This is the part that the clerk likes.
11:05:26 We stand adjourned.
11:05:28 No, receive and file all the items that we received
11:05:31 I have a motion by Mrs. Mulhern, second by Mrs. Capin.
11:05:34 All in favor?
11:05:36 The Ayes have it unanimously.
11:05:37 We stand adjourned.
11:05:40 (The City Council meeting adjourned at 11:06 a.m.)
This file represents an unedited version of realtime
captioning which should neither be relied upon for
complete accuracy nor used as a verbatim transcript.
The original of this file was produced in all capital
letters and any variation thereto may be a result of
third party edits and software compatibility issues.
Any person who needs a verbatim transcript of the
proceedings may need to hire a court reporter.