TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
Thursday, September 1, 2011
9:00 a.m. Session
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>>MARY MULHERN: Good morning.
09:06:28 Welcome to Tampa City Council.
09:06:30 Chair yield to Councilman Reddick who will introduce our
09:06:37 invocation and pledge of allegiance.
09:06:39 >> It's a pleasure to have before us today a person that
09:06:42 needs no introductions, but I am going to introduce him
09:06:45 anyway, a mentor of mine and a pleasure to have the reverend
09:06:51 Dr. Banks, who is pastor of St. Johns Missionary Baptist
09:07:00 >> Gracious God, our Father, we come into your presence with
09:07:12 Thanksgiving and hearts to thank you for all the blessings
09:07:14 that we all enjoy.
09:07:16 We thank you for the privilege and relationship and
09:07:18 fellowship with our family and friends and colleagues.
09:07:21 We thank you for the opportunity to live in the greatest
09:07:23 country in this world.
09:07:24 We thank you for those men and women who sacrifice their
09:07:28 lives to fight on foreign soils so we can continue to enjoy
09:07:34 the freedom that we enjoy here in the United States of
09:07:37 We thank you for the law enforcement officials that
09:07:40 sacrifice their lives for our security and our safety.
09:07:44 We thank you for public officials, elected officials who
09:07:49 work hard to make our community the great community that it
09:07:52 We ask now your blessing upon this meeting, that it will be
09:07:55 a fruitful and productive meeting, and the issues that will
09:07:59 come before this council will be deliberated with the divine
09:08:04 wisdom that you would endure upon them to be make the
09:08:08 decisions that will be beneficial to making our city a
09:08:11 better place to live.
09:08:12 We ask it all in your name.
09:08:14 [ Pledge of Allegiance ]
09:08:42 >>MARY MULHERN: Roll call, please.
09:08:43 >>FRANK REDDICK: Here.
09:08:46 >>MARY MULHERN: Here.
09:08:48 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Here.
09:08:56 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Here.
09:08:57 >>MARY MULHERN: Can I have a motion to adopt the minutes?
09:09:10 >> So moved.
09:09:11 >> Second.
09:09:11 >>MARY MULHERN: All in favor?
09:09:15 And we'll have our ceremonial activities, presentation,
09:09:25 From Councilwoman Montelione.
09:09:41 Good morning, everyone.
09:09:42 Today we are here to recognize some very special
09:09:54 I learned of their actions on that Tuesday and was lucky
09:09:59 enough to have been headed already to the district two
09:10:02 offices of the Tampa Police Department where I was briefed
09:10:06 by major Newman.
09:10:08 I just want to say that although many agencies in many
09:10:14 cities don't have the coordinated effort that we are lucky
09:10:18 to have here, it is the teamwork of these individuals that
09:10:23 I'm so very proud of and we as a city can be so very proud
09:10:27 of today.
09:10:27 So I would like to recognize several individuals.
09:10:35 If you can all step forward when I call your names.
09:10:37 Sergeant John Pryor, district 2, Tampa Police Department.
09:10:41 Sergeant Peter Grubbe, district 2.
09:10:46 Sergeant Pugh, district 2.
09:10:48 Tampa police detective Michael Victor, criminal intelligence
09:10:51 bureau, lead investigator.
09:10:55 Tampa FBI special agent Steve Miller.
09:10:57 Tampa police bomb squad members John Mesmier and Jim Cooper.
09:11:03 School chief, security chief, SFO, chief Frieshberg.
09:11:12 Freedom High School principal Chris Farkas.
09:11:19 Thank you all for doing what you do and being so
09:11:22 instrumental in keeping our children safe.
09:11:24 And I would like to read the commendation that we prepared.
09:11:29 The Tampa City Council recognizes your heroic efforts and
09:11:33 teamwork ensuring the safety of students, parents and
09:11:36 faculty at Freedom High School.
09:11:38 Your extraordinary work helped save countless lives.
09:11:42 We are deeply indebted to you and your selfless efforts and
09:11:47 service to the great City of Tampa.
09:11:51 If you would step forward, please.
09:11:54 I would like to present this plaque to Tampa Police
09:11:58 Department Major Newman.
09:12:03 And Principal Farkas.
09:12:07 Principal Farkas said this is a day that he will remember
09:12:09 the rest of his life, and it's a challenge for any principal
09:12:13 to open a high school at the beginning of the school year,
09:12:17 and you met that challenge, exceeded that challenge, and
09:12:20 represented the school system and the City of Tampa in a
09:12:23 most fabulous way.
09:12:25 I would also like to present you with a certificate from
09:12:29 Stonewood Grill.
09:12:34 And for Dave Friedberg, chief, I would like to present it
09:12:43 this to you from Stonewood Grill as well with our
09:12:47 compliments and our thanks.
09:12:48 I believe Mr. Michelini would also have a presentation to
09:12:55 Mr. Michelini, would you step forward, please?
09:12:57 >>STEVE MICHELINI: Good morning.
09:13:02 City Council, we have a great opportunity to recognize some
09:13:05 individuals who in the ordinary course of their duties have
09:13:11 done extraordinary things.
09:13:12 For grateful recognition of your dedication, to matters and
09:13:15 issues protecting families, students and citizens of Tampa,
09:13:21 as is evident in every watchful high to maintain security
09:13:25 and safety is important and required.
09:13:28 It is ordinary citizens who in their daily duties, and we
09:13:32 ask in the name of the Lord, to keep our public servants
09:13:36 safe, our law enforcement officers, firefighters, teachers,
09:13:40 servicemen and women, whether they serve at home or
09:13:43 overseas, hold them in your loving hands and protect them as
09:13:46 they protect us.
09:13:48 Give them your power and your spirit for guidance and your
09:13:51 shield to protect them.
09:13:52 Keep them who are currently serving us in your thoughts and
09:13:55 prayers for they have many reasons that they have provided
09:13:58 for us the freedoms which we enjoy.
09:14:01 We ask that God shield and protect them, the spirit to lead
09:14:04 them, and God's strength to fortify them.
09:14:07 On behalf of the impact properties, we are providing you
09:14:12 with a dinner for each of you and a guest at the restaurant
09:14:17 at the Westin Courtney Campbell causeway.
09:14:20 And if you are kind enough to invite the chief and major
09:14:23 Newman, they can go as well.
09:14:26 So we are very proud of you.
09:14:28 And we thank you for what you do for us.
09:14:30 >> Thank you, Mr. Michelini.
09:14:35 There are a couple of other special guests that I would like
09:14:37 to recognize under whose leadership this kind of teamwork
09:14:41 happens, and we are very proud to have Chief Jane Castor
09:14:45 with us this morning as well, and from the FBI Kevin Eaton
09:14:51 and Steve Iveson.
09:14:54 Gentlemen, thank you for your leadership. I can't say
09:14:57 enough about the leadership of the City of Tampa and the
09:14:59 police department.
09:15:01 And I'm trying to find a way to cancel that drop program
09:15:07 that you participated in.
09:15:09 So with that, gentlemen, thank you very, very much for your
09:15:13 We appreciate everything you do.
09:15:16 [ Applause ]
09:15:17 >>MARY MULHERN: Thank you so much.
09:15:28 I can't tell you, as a parent, and as a councilperson, how
09:15:37 grateful I am for the work that you did.
09:15:40 It's just amazing that you were able to find out about this
09:15:47 and deal with it, all before school started.
09:15:52 It made me feel incredibly safe and very, very proud of our
09:15:56 police department and our schools.
09:15:58 Thank you so much.
09:17:00 We'll have another presentation from Councilman Suarez.
09:17:03 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you, Madam Chair.
09:17:11 It's not every day we get to hear about public employees
09:17:14 that are doing good jobs.
09:17:18 We just saw an example of that, people doing a good job, and
09:17:22 had we not found out about that particular plot we would not
09:17:24 be -- we would have been in a much more difficult situation,
09:17:31 and we thank the folks who were just here.
09:17:33 But there's a lot of folks that work for the city that are
09:17:35 always doing their job.
09:17:36 I want to bring up Brad Baird from the water department, two
09:17:43 of the employees from the water department.
09:17:45 These are employees through the department themselves that
09:17:49 actually create, innovate and change something in order to
09:17:51 make things better.
09:17:53 Let's bring up -- where is Eddie Matysik and Daryl Davis.
09:18:02 They created what they call the sludge-ulator that makes a
09:18:11 more efficient way of cleaning the 2.2 million gallons of
09:18:16 settling basins that we have at the treatment plant.
09:18:19 And I just want to recognize them with a commendation from
09:18:22 our council, and with great thanks from our city.
09:18:29 Eddie, congratulations.
09:18:38 We appreciate that.
09:18:39 If you would like to say a little about what this does to
09:18:42 help the City of Tampa.
09:18:44 >>BRAD BAIRD: It's not often that public works employees or
09:18:46 utility employees get recognized.
09:18:49 They are behind the scenes.
09:18:50 As long as you turn on that faucet and the water comes out,
09:18:53 everything is good and everyone is happy.
09:18:55 But these are two examples of fine employees of the water
09:19:00 department, that 24 hours a day, 365 days a year, do things
09:19:08 to bring you clean water, safe water.
09:19:12 This, in particular, was a piece of equipment that's
09:19:14 normally used as a loader, and they modified the front of it
09:19:20 so that it can move sludge to one end of the tank and ease
09:19:26 the ability to get it out of that tank.
09:19:28 It makes it a little more safe for our employees, and at the
09:19:32 same time it saves money for removing that sludge as tanks
09:19:37 have to be cleaned on a regular basis.
09:19:39 But, also, I want to say that there's a competition
09:19:43 nationally called gimmicks and gadgets of the American water
09:19:47 works association, and these two gentlemen got third place
09:19:51 nationally for the sludgeULATOR, and we thank them for what
09:20:00 they do every day.
09:20:01 It's a blessing to have employees like Eddie and Daryl.
09:20:04 >>MARY MULHERN: Thank you.
09:20:08 It sound like a sludge Zamboni.
09:20:11 And I hope they can patent it.
09:20:15 Although we might lose them.
09:20:18 If they are entrepreneurs they are going to leave.
09:20:22 Thank you so much.
09:20:30 We move on to approval of the agenda.
09:20:32 >> Move approval.
09:20:34 >> Second.
09:20:35 >>MARY MULHERN: I think we'll go over any changes first.
09:20:43 A little anxious.
09:20:46 Does the clerk or Mr. Shelby want to walk us through?
09:20:53 >>SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES: This morning, we have two items
09:21:01 that's requesting a continuance.
09:21:02 We have a memorandum upon David pond, director of contract
09:21:07 administration, requesting a continuance to September 22nd,
09:21:12 2011, for items number 37 and 38.
09:21:16 They both relate to the Tampa riverwalk segment 11.
09:21:21 These are resolutions.
09:21:23 I have no other requests.
09:21:27 And request that you approve the agenda.
09:21:29 >>MARY MULHERN: Thank you.
09:21:32 Now if we could have a motion to approve the agenda
09:21:38 including those two continuances to September 22nd.
09:21:44 >> So moved.
09:21:48 >> Second.
09:21:50 >>CHAIRMAN: All in never?
09:21:57 We will move to public comments.
09:22:02 You have 30 minutes for any matters on the agenda to be
09:22:09 spoken to first, if we could have anyone who wishes to speak
09:22:13 on a matter on the agenda to speak first.
09:22:16 Thank you.
09:22:16 >> I haven't had a chance to go through the agenda.
09:22:25 There might be some things tangential ton this to this.
09:22:34 I read in the paper something being done in St. Petersburg,
09:22:36 and that's to have a yellow arrow on the traffic lights.
09:22:39 And I was surprised that cities and counties can do that.
09:22:43 I thought that was a prerogative to the state.
09:22:46 But in any case, that is what is necessary, slightly
09:22:52 differently, it's necessary, so it should be done in Tampa,
09:22:57 except the slightly different, it should be a flashing
09:23:02 yellow arrow.
09:23:03 The argument given was that it remind people to yield to
09:23:06 other traffic.
09:23:07 More important is that people go slowly.
09:23:11 You are 100 feet away and all of a sudden a car comes
09:23:14 whipping around the corner already going 25, 30 miles per
09:23:17 You are not clairvoyant.
09:23:19 You don't know that's going to happen.
09:23:21 And that is pretty much what admiral Collins succumbed to.
09:23:27 A girl wrote a letter to the paper, USF, and she had been
09:23:30 targeted by one of the cameras at the intersections, and she
09:23:35 didn't know why.
09:23:37 Well, it's pretty clear that she was making a right turn on
09:23:41 red without stopping, so I'm glad to see that those cameras
09:23:46 can be used to monitor turns, because that's something very
09:23:52 I came last week about this problem at Nebraska and
09:23:58 Linebaugh, the flooding of the recharge basins, and the
09:24:03 reason for that, I'm about 90% certain, is that the
09:24:08 percolation is clogged, dry algae, result of this excess of
09:24:17 fertilizer in the runoff.
09:24:19 Now, I think that should be done properly, that there should
09:24:27 be an exemption.
09:24:28 Slow release fertilizers, that something should be done.
09:24:32 That's where this group of people came in, because something
09:24:35 has got to be done at Linebaugh and Nebraska because you are
09:24:38 going to clog Nebraska which is an evacuation route in a
09:24:42 hurricane, and already you close Linebaugh about every
09:24:46 couple or three weeks.
09:24:47 Now, I'm going to pass this around.
09:24:49 This is about William Donald Schaefer.
09:24:52 This man was really hard to deal with.
09:24:54 His nickname was Kaiser Bill but did he a lot of good for
09:24:59 And one of the reasons that he did a lot of good, you would
09:25:02 see him out walking around on the street, out in the
09:25:05 So this business of our elected officials who fight tooth
09:25:09 and nail to get elected and then sit in their offices,
09:25:14 isolate themselves from the community, has got to stop,
09:25:17 because this is the reason a lot of problems unfold.
09:25:22 Eldridge cleaver said very well, he said, if you are not
09:25:26 part of the solution you are part of the problem.
09:25:28 (Bell sounds).
09:25:31 >>MARY MULHERN: Thank you.
09:25:48 >> Pete Johnson, Margo drive.
09:25:52 As you know, I am the self-pronounced code enforcement czar.
09:25:57 I studied code enforcement until it comes out of my ears
09:26:00 because I know there's got to be a better way.
09:26:02 I sent you all an e-mail early this morning about 3:00, when
09:26:07 I do my research, and I have found that we have a major
09:26:12 problem and repeat violations.
09:26:16 I mean, it is extremely costly, it's time consume, and we
09:26:22 need to come up with a solution.
09:26:25 The Florida State statute does allow history to be brought
09:26:29 into evidence for a hearing.
09:26:33 We need to use that statute.
09:26:37 The legal department has limited only to properties that
09:26:40 have been served notice, but these properties continuously,
09:26:45 continuously abuse the system, they abuse our neighbors, our
09:26:52 poor that have to pay outrage rent to live in unscrupulous
09:26:58 living conditions, overcrowded, no air conditioning, no
09:27:02 windows, it's ridiculous.
09:27:06 It's like a third world country.
09:27:09 You have a list of one particular name on there, and he owns
09:27:13 an enormous amount of property in Tampa, and he has caused
09:27:19 code enforcement and enormous amount of problems, but he
09:27:22 always seems to comply the day of the hearing, or the day
09:27:29 before the hearing.
09:27:29 This is the problem.
09:27:32 I hope you read it.
09:27:33 I hope you take it into consideration.
09:27:35 And I would hope that we could maybe even come up with a
09:27:40 resolution or an ordinance requiring all history as per the
09:27:46 state statute regardless if it was corrected or not to be
09:27:53 present and viewed at any hearing so that the hearing
09:27:56 master, the Code Enforcement Board, has a complete file to
09:28:01 make their judgment on.
09:28:04 And it's getting ridiculous.
09:28:05 And that is only -- I think I gave you maybe five examples
09:28:09 that I have researched.
09:28:11 There are thousands and thousands and thousands of these
09:28:15 Also, I would like to talk to you about public nuisance
09:28:21 We have been waiting for the legal staff of TPD to come up
09:28:25 with a public -- to approve and use public nuisance
09:28:30 abatement as well as the prostitution exclusion zones.
09:28:37 Every single time we ask, they tell us 30 days, 30 days, 30
09:28:43 This has been going on for six, seven months if not longer.
09:28:48 I can remember Jason Degagney starting on it a year ago.
09:28:56 (Bell sounds)
09:28:57 Please, get with TPD, let's get this taken care of and
09:29:01 improve the neighborhood.
09:29:01 Thank you.
09:29:02 >>MARY MULHERN: Anyone else?
09:29:08 We'll move on to our regular agenda.
09:29:14 Are there any requests by the public for reconsideration of
09:29:18 legislative matters at this time?
09:29:25 Public Safety Committee.
09:29:27 >>FRANK REDDICK: Move item 3 and 4.
09:29:30 >> Second.
09:29:32 >>MARY MULHERN: All in favor?
09:29:35 Parks and recreation committee, Councilwoman Montelione.
09:29:38 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I move items 5 through 7.
09:29:43 >> Second.
09:29:44 >>MARY MULHERN: All in favor?
09:29:49 Public Works Committee, Councilman Suarez.
09:29:51 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Move items 8 through 10.
09:29:55 >>FRANK REDDICK: Second.
09:29:56 >>MARY MULHERN: All in favor?
09:30:00 And Finance Committee, Councilman Cohen.
09:30:03 >>HARRY COHEN: Move items 11 and 12.
09:30:07 >>FRANK REDDICK: Second.
09:30:09 >>MARY MULHERN: All in favor?
09:30:12 Building, zoning and preservation, Councilwoman Montelione.
09:30:16 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I move items 13 through 36, Madam Chair.
09:30:20 >> Second.
09:30:23 >>MARY MULHERN: I understood that item 34 --
09:30:30 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Actually, that's not necessary.
09:30:34 Councilman Capin is absent.
09:30:36 >>MARY MULHERN: Okay, thank you.
09:30:38 All in favor?
09:30:44 Transportation committee, Councilman Reddick is vice chair.
09:30:47 If you could read this.
09:30:48 >> Move to continue item 37 and 38 until September 27th.
09:30:57 >>THE CLERK: That's done in the approval of the agenda.
09:30:59 >>MARY MULHERN: We have already done it.
09:31:01 And we will move on to our 9:30 public hearings.
09:31:05 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I'm sorry to interrupt but I'm looking at
09:31:15 the clock on the tape and it says 9:28.
09:31:18 >> I always go by what the church says.
09:31:28 >> They may have to adjust their clock, CTTV.
09:31:31 I want to be clear.
09:31:32 I'm looking at the clock that used to be on the live feed
09:31:36 that just came off the screen that would have been up there.
09:31:40 [ Laughter ]
09:31:41 But I guess they are going to adjust it, bring it back.
09:31:44 But if it's the consensus that it's 9:30, I suggest we move
09:31:51 >>MARY MULHERN: It's now 9:32 on my clock.
09:31:55 We can wait a minute.
09:31:57 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Let's go ahead, please.
09:32:03 >>MARY MULHERN: Can we have at 9:30 a.m. motion to open?
09:32:07 >> I move that it is 9:30.
09:32:10 [ Laughter ]
09:32:11 Move to open the 9:30.
09:32:14 >> Second.
09:32:15 >>MARY MULHERN: All in favor?
09:32:17 Item number 39.
09:32:22 Does anyone from the public wish to speak on item number 39?
09:32:29 >>THOM SNELLING: Growth management.
09:32:31 Just to let you know that staff has done due diligence on
09:32:34 the overlay revisions before you today.
09:32:37 They do execute some of the streamlining provisions, as well
09:32:42 as working towards, that executes items in the comprehensive
09:32:46 The new comprehensive plan talks about urban villages.
09:32:50 Just to let you know we have looked at.
09:32:51 This we have taken some serious revisions.
09:32:54 We have worked with the applicant and the partnership to try
09:32:57 to get this to a position that we feel very strongly in
09:33:00 favor of.
09:33:00 So just to let you know that.
09:33:02 We are ready to go with it.
09:33:04 >>MARY MULHERN: Thank you.
09:33:09 Councilman Suarez?
09:33:16 Oh, does anyone else wish to speak on this?
09:33:29 >>MARGARET VIZZI: 213 South Sherill street here representing
09:33:32 Westshore residential neighborhood improvement committee,
09:33:36 which is made up of neighborhoods that surround Westshore
09:33:41 And, of course, Swann estates, Westshore Palms, north Bon
09:33:51 Air, and Beach Park.
09:33:53 And at the first hearing, which I wasn't here to attend
09:33:58 because I was on the way to New Orleans where I heard
09:34:02 immediately about the issue at freedom, and I didn't even
09:34:05 know what they were talking about because I left so early in
09:34:08 the morning.
09:34:09 But, anyway, at that hearing, it was understood by that
09:34:13 committee, who had met, and we sent you a letter supporting
09:34:18 this overlay, that we did support it.
09:34:23 However, at that point, as far as we knew at that committee,
09:34:27 there was going to be some kind of complimentary notice,
09:34:33 awareness notice, something, that was actually in the
09:34:36 ordinance as the last thing we saw.
09:34:43 Whether the Westshore Alliance knew differently I don't
09:34:46 They are just saying they found out the night of the hearing
09:34:48 that that had been withdrawn.
09:34:50 That was a major part of our support of the overlay.
09:34:55 We tried to get as many things in there that we could think
09:34:58 of and they agreed to put them in for protection of the
09:35:10 However, knowing this was going to happen, the continuation
09:35:12 of the good relationship that all of us have had with
09:35:15 Westshore development, that now, according to legal, you
09:35:19 can't do that.
09:35:22 We met with Julia Cole, Westshore Alliance and I, met with
09:35:29 She said that even a board announcing when development was
09:35:33 come about, so if the neighbors wanted to know what's going
09:35:36 on, we could at least call the city and see what permits.
09:35:40 Can't do that.
09:35:41 Came up yesterday with the idea of maybe just posting an
09:35:46 address, so if we have an address we call the city to nobody
09:35:50 what is going on.
09:35:51 And let me say, I don't think it's only neighborhoods who
09:35:55 want to know that, I think Westshore Alliance wants to know
09:35:58 I truly do.
09:35:59 (Bell sounds)
09:36:00 Because they want to know what kind of development is going
09:36:02 on on properties.
09:36:03 Why do we want to know that?
09:36:05 We want to know that because we understand that there are
09:36:09 many things within the neighborhood that are concerns that
09:36:13 the city won't even know about.
09:36:16 The staff.
09:36:17 So it's always important for us to bring these forward
09:36:20 during a PD.
09:36:21 But many of the things that are now covered in the overlay
09:36:26 will come about and there will be --
09:36:30 (Bell sounds)
09:36:30 It's all very unfortunate that this all happened at the last
09:36:33 So as of right now, I know that Beach Park has a great
09:36:36 concern, if there is no kind of awareness of what might be
09:36:40 happening near us.
09:36:41 So, council, I would ask you at least to encourage legal to
09:36:46 put an address on a property, so even if during
09:36:51 construction, an emergency vehicle has to get there, they
09:36:54 would know where to go.
09:36:55 Right now, there's no notification whatsoever.
09:36:59 Thank you.
09:36:59 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I think with legal come up so quickly she
09:37:10 already knows what my question is. Ms. Vizzi, I don't know
09:37:13 what you are talking about, to be honest with you.
09:37:15 What specifically are you saying?
09:37:18 >>MARGARET VIZZI: Well, for example, during the development
09:37:19 of Westshore, over all these many years, and I have been
09:37:22 involved since Westshore plaza was built, way back when --
09:37:27 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Let's get to -- what is it specifically?
09:37:31 >>MARGARET VIZZI: Because now many of the things that are in
09:37:32 the overlay are parts of PDs, so the neighborhood -- it
09:37:40 was rezoning so we were able to come down and able to work
09:37:43 with the developers to make them aware of the concerns that
09:37:46 we had.
09:37:46 And I will say that they have all worked with us.
09:37:49 That's why we still have livable communities in Westshore,
09:37:54 which downtown lost, because there was none of this when
09:37:57 downtown was developed.
09:37:58 So the neighborhoods have been always been able to know what
09:38:02 was going on.
09:38:06 If it was a one-story, they usually had the zoning.
09:38:10 They just pulled permits.
09:38:12 But the big developments, which happen all the time in
09:38:15 Westshore, now all of these neighborhoods will not even
09:38:18 know --
09:38:20 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Let me interrupt you for a second.
09:38:22 You are saying if we approve the overlay district you are
09:38:24 not going to be able to know whenever a development goes
09:38:28 >>MARGARET VIZZI: That's right.
09:38:29 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Let me stop you there.
09:38:31 Let me get legal up here.
09:38:32 Thank you.
09:38:33 If you don't mind.
09:38:34 >>JULIA COLE: Legal department.
09:38:40 I'm happy to respond to any of the comments Ms. Vizzi made.
09:38:45 I don't know if you want to hear from Mr. Rotella first.
09:38:50 >> Yes, so we know what's going on.
09:38:52 >>MARY MULHERN: (off microphone).
09:39:06 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I'll hold my comments as well till after
09:39:09 everyone had a chance to speak.
09:39:10 >>MARY MULHERN: (off microphone)
09:39:22 >>RON ROTELLA: Good morning, council members.
09:39:24 When council asked us to work with and coordinate with the
09:39:29 neighborhoods, on the commercial overlay district, as you
09:39:32 know, we did.
09:39:34 One of the important items for them was not when there was a
09:39:46 When there is a rezoning, then there is a policy that the
09:39:50 nearest neighborhood will notify the rezoning.
09:39:53 Their concern was if there was no rezoning, then they are
09:39:59 apt to find about a project happened when the construction
09:40:03 vehicles show up on the site.
09:40:05 So they asked us to be put in the overlay district a
09:40:12 provision similar to the zoning notice that the nearest
09:40:16 neighborhood would be noticed at the time the development
09:40:21 filed their commercial site plan with the city.
09:40:24 We agreed with that.
09:40:26 We were supportive of that.
09:40:27 And it was in the draft ordinance we gave you on July
09:40:32 11th, and it was in the ordinance draft when I met with
09:40:38 the neighborhood, Westshore neighborhood improvement
09:40:40 committee in July, wasn't it?
09:40:43 I'm sorry, in August.
09:40:50 Julia and I met with Margaret.
09:40:51 The meeting was in my office.
09:40:53 And at this point, I understand why Julia removed it from
09:41:00 the ordinance.
09:41:01 She explained it.
09:41:04 I'm clear about it.
09:41:05 There's not an issue associated with it being in the
09:41:09 ordinance at all.
09:41:14 So Margaret and I both understand that.
09:41:16 I think what Margaret is saying, not to hold up the passage
09:41:22 of the ordinance, since we are sympathetic and supportive of
09:41:26 the neighborhood that we continue to work, not on an
09:41:31 official notification, but some mechanism, some procedure
09:41:36 where there's neighborhood awareness, and we are willing to
09:41:39 do that.
09:41:40 >>MARY MULHERN: Councilwoman Montelione.
09:41:45 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Ms. Cole, do you want to --
09:41:50 >>JULIA COLE: Legal department.
09:41:51 If I could go back and sort of give some context on the
09:41:55 comments you have.
09:41:55 And I have been speaking with Ms. Vizzi and Mr. Rotella
09:41:59 about some of these issues.
09:42:00 When the Westshore overlay ordinance was brought to the
09:42:03 legal department for our review -- and as you know we have
09:42:07 to sign off on all ordinances for legal sufficiency -- there
09:42:11 was a provision in draft ordinance that would have required
09:42:14 a developer seeking any kind of approval, whether it be a
09:42:18 zoning process or through an administrative review, to
09:42:23 provide a copy of the site plan with the notification to the
09:42:26 neighborhood association of that request.
09:42:30 And some of you heard me say this before, and this might be
09:42:35 new to some of you, but I have very consistently over my
09:42:38 five, six, tenure with the city, been clear about what
09:42:43 notice means and when you should provide notice and when you
09:42:48 should not require notice to be provided, because, remember,
09:42:52 you are requesting -- you would be putting in your code an
09:42:55 obligation on a property owner to provide notice of either a
09:43:01 rezoning or potentially an administrative approval.
09:43:05 So a rezoning process or any kind of public hearing process,
09:43:10 not only is it appropriate for us to provide notice, our
09:43:12 code clearly provides what that process is for notice, and
09:43:16 doesn't just include neighborhood associations but includes
09:43:18 adjoining property owners.
09:43:20 For administrative decisions, if you have an administrative
09:43:23 decision that is being made, and it is simply a question of
09:43:27 whether or not code compliance has occurred on the face of
09:43:31 the site plan, by requiring that property owner to then
09:43:35 notice, specifically just notice a neighborhood association,
09:43:40 but to provide notice of that process, you in your code are
09:43:45 suggesting that there's some form of due process which that
09:43:48 neighborhood association or property owner is being granted.
09:43:51 So you have a legal problem where you are saying to a
09:43:54 person, property owner, you have the right to get involved
09:43:58 in that process where an administrator position has to be
09:44:03 something that you either meet code or you don't and it's
09:44:06 often confusing to folks and they start calling up the city
09:44:09 and say, well, I don't want this or I don't like this, and
09:44:11 the city has no opportunity to do anything different.
09:44:14 Now, the issue has come up a few times in the past.
09:44:17 For example, with an issue that came up through the
09:44:20 community garden process where I clearly opined on an
09:44:23 administrative decision, you can't provide notice.
09:44:26 I actually racked through my brain and realized this is also
09:44:33 in West Tampa whereby this is actually under city attorney
09:44:37 David Smith, we had to advise you all that it needed to be
09:44:40 removed because it was creating some issues.
09:44:44 So I am sorry that the information may have not been
09:44:50 disseminated to Ms. Vizzi in a manner that she understood.
09:44:53 I will tell you that I, on review of this ordinance in early
09:44:56 July, July 5th, in fact, drafted my comments, gave them
09:45:03 to Ms. Coyle to disseminate to the applicant, because as you
09:45:06 recall this is actually initiated amendment.
09:45:10 It isn't an amendment that the city processed but privately
09:45:14 I am told by her that she forwarded my comments on July
09:45:17 5th to the applicant, and as a result that provision
09:45:20 requiring notice to the neighborhood association, the site
09:45:24 plan, administrative site plan process was being removed.
09:45:29 As I have said to you all, I went and met with Ms. Vizzi and
09:45:35 Mr. Rotella on Monday to explain to them my reasoning, and
09:45:40 they seemed to understand exactly my reasoning.
09:45:43 It is simply something I can never recommend to this council
09:45:47 that you give a form of notice to a property owner, or
09:45:51 neighborhood association, for pure administrative
09:45:55 Now, Ms. Vizzi did make a comment over providing some kind
09:45:59 of additional enhanced requirement for addressing of
09:46:03 parcels, and we can talk about that, not in the context of
09:46:06 one specific overlay, but maybe in the context of your code
09:46:10 as a whole, when do we require folks to have an address on
09:46:14 their property.
09:46:15 And I have actually looked and can provide some information
09:46:18 on that if City Council wants to have that discussion.
09:46:20 I would say to you that that's probably a discussion you
09:46:23 should have not within the context.
09:46:25 Westshore overlay but more as a general code provision, so
09:46:29 you may want to hold off on that and ask some questions
09:46:31 directly with the legal department to come back with a
09:46:34 report or some additional discussion on that.
09:46:36 But I did want to make clear to council what this issue was,
09:46:40 and the very consistent legal position that the city
09:46:45 attorney's office had regarding notice of administrative
09:46:48 Thank you.
09:46:55 >>JIM SHIMBERG: City attorney.
09:46:56 Can I say one thing?
09:46:57 I just want to follow with a comment.
09:46:59 I understand exactly what Mr. Rotella and the group are
09:47:03 trying to do.
09:47:04 They want to try to be as inclusive as possible, make sure
09:47:08 the neighborhood is informed, and we understand that.
09:47:10 After understanding the issue from Ms. Cole, it's not
09:47:14 setting a precedent to give legal notice when there's really
09:47:18 nothing the person can do.
09:47:19 So I think it really shouldn't be discussed in the context
09:47:23 of this particular amendment. If we want to look at the
09:47:25 address issue or something like that, we should look at it
09:47:28 city-wide but not in the context of this particular
09:47:31 But I understand what they are both trying to do and we
09:47:34 applaud them for trying to work well together.
09:47:36 It just not something that we would recommend that you
09:47:38 include in this application.
09:47:40 Thank you.
09:47:40 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Thank you, Madam Chair.
09:47:46 Thank you, Julia, for explaining, Ms. Cole, so precisely.
09:47:52 There's a couple of things that I want to say about
09:47:55 neighborhood notification.
09:47:57 Although, you know, it's very important for neighborhoods to
09:48:02 be involved and encourage neighborhood associations and
09:48:06 individuals to be engaged in the neighborhood, to care about
09:48:09 what is happening within their boundaries, but the
09:48:14 neighborhoods work very closely with the Westshore Alliance
09:48:17 in developing this ordinance, and over I'm not sure how long
09:48:22 it was, I think it was years, to really come together on the
09:48:27 tenant of the overlay -- and we discussed the overlay here
09:48:30 and expressed our concerns, and we had some issues that they
09:48:34 were later addressing.
09:48:35 Councilwoman Mulhern brought up issues of sidewalks and
09:48:38 being pedestrian friendly and having it be livable roadway
09:48:44 area as possible.
09:48:45 So with the overlay being in place -- and I might be viewing
09:48:54 this in a different way, but I think there's more protection
09:48:57 built into the area, and for the neighborhood, in having an
09:49:04 overlay district, because projects that are going to be
09:49:07 developed have the requirement of meeting all of the Tenets
09:49:15 of that overlay district.
09:49:17 So the project, say, for instance, in my neighborhood that
09:49:20 does not have an overlay district, construction projects
09:49:22 happen all the time.
09:49:25 People pull permits, and they thereby was done kin donuts
09:49:34 torn down and replaced, and they happen as a matter of
09:49:38 We don't have as a neighborhood the protections that other
09:49:41 neighborhoods have when there is a historic district overlay
09:49:43 or a design criteria that has to be met.
09:49:46 So those neighborhood that have the benefit offing an
09:49:51 overlay or design district in place really have more of a
09:49:54 protection than other parts of the city.
09:49:58 Some of the concerns about not knowing the address, or not
09:50:02 being able to contact anyone about a project, they have a
09:50:07 construction business.
09:50:08 I can tell you, one of the of the first things that goes up
09:50:11 is a sign that announces who the contractor is, what the
09:50:14 development is, and meantimes contains phone numbers of the
09:50:22 The idea behind that is to be announce to everyone, you
09:50:26 know, that there's work going on, and contact them, if you
09:50:30 want to build another building, because we had a contractor
09:50:32 that's building this project, and if you like this project,
09:50:35 maybe you want to build something, you know, have them build
09:50:39 something for you.
09:50:41 The emergency vehicles, the response and the dispatch to
09:50:47 either fire or police on a project, I can tell you having
09:50:51 worked on a project, when an accident does occur, or when
09:50:54 you show up on a project, you know, 6:30 in the morning and
09:50:57 you see that there has been criminal activity going on on
09:50:59 the property overnight, you call the police department or
09:51:02 you call the fire department, and you give them the location
09:51:06 of the property two blocks west of the intersection of such
09:51:09 and such.
09:51:10 I have never had fire and police, rescue vehicles, ever not
09:51:14 be able to find a project because, you know, it's pretty
09:51:18 obvious where the construction is going on, on that street.
09:51:22 So although I understand the concerns of wanting to be
09:51:26 involved in the neighborhood and admire the efforts of
09:51:30 neighborhoods and really encourage more people to be
09:51:32 involved in the neighborhood, I think the protections of an
09:51:35 overlay district really afford those neighborhoods a little
09:51:39 more protection than others.
09:51:41 And I think that I have to commend Mr. Rotella because he
09:51:48 has worked very closely with the neighborhoods, and if
09:51:51 anyone ever has a question about a project that's going on
09:51:54 in the Westshore area, all they have to do is pick up the
09:51:57 phone and call the Westshore Alliance, and I'm sure that
09:51:59 they will go above and beyond to find out all the
09:52:02 information they can and disseminate the information to the
09:52:06 >>MARY MULHERN: I have to say -- I have to have commend Ms.
09:52:18 Vizzi because she's been here protecting neighborhoods and
09:52:24 expressing their concerns and representing them on
09:52:28 individual projects and on changes like this overlay that we
09:52:37 are then asked to adopt privately.
09:52:39 So here is the position we are in, and what I think -- I'm
09:52:47 glad that she was here.
09:52:48 Ms. Vizzi, you weren't able to be here at the first reading,
09:52:52 is that -- okay.
09:52:53 So this is a big change we are being asked to adopt to put
09:52:57 this overlay in place.
09:53:02 And I just want to put it a little bit in context for
09:53:05 council, because over my long history of four years on
09:53:11 council now, I'm the big veteran here, while Charley is
09:53:16 recovering, but what happens sometimes when things are
09:53:21 approved, whether it's administratively or whether they go
09:53:25 through a rezoning or land use change, and the project gets
09:53:30 built, sometimes things don't turn out as the neighborhood
09:53:34 had hoped, or there are unintended consequences that the
09:53:40 developer -- I mean, so we hear about problems that happen,
09:53:44 and that is why we try to, both publicly initiated and from
09:53:51 our land development staff and legal, and from council, try
09:53:54 to make changes in our code.
09:53:56 So we have to take all these concerns seriously, because the
09:54:04 change that's happening here is something that's been
09:54:06 happening over the last few years, for instance, with the
09:54:12 community gardening ordinance, it's kind of a very small
09:54:15 example of it, but a bigger example of where we gave more
09:54:20 administrative authority and power to land development was
09:54:27 our special use permits for alcoholic beverages.
09:54:30 So this is a work in progress when we change the code.
09:54:35 So we can either just, you know -- I want to take this very
09:54:42 seriously, because what Ms. Vizzi is telling us is that they
09:54:48 are going to have less opportunity for input, by law, if we
09:54:56 adopt it.
09:54:57 And what we are being told by legal, which makes sense --
09:55:00 and I'm not going to argue with it -- although I do have one
09:55:04 question for you, and that -- is it -- I understand notice,
09:55:11 and I understand that when you give public notice, there is
09:55:17 the -- is it a legal right if you give notice -- are you
09:55:24 saying the public has opportunity for --
09:55:32 >>JIM SHIMBERG: Normally, would be giving notice about
09:55:34 opportunity to be heard on a project.
09:55:36 The concern here is, if someone is pulling a building permit
09:55:40 as a matter of right and moving forward with the project and
09:55:43 you are giving notice on that, what --
09:55:45 >>MARY MULHERN: But when -- okay, so someone is getting a
09:55:48 That doesn't have to be posted.
09:55:50 You only have to post if it's a request for a variance or --
09:55:57 >>JIM SHIMBERG: Right. If there's a hearing or something
09:56:00 that has appeal rights or something like that.
09:56:01 But if you are just setting a notice saying such and such is
09:56:05 starting a project on this site, and there's nothing the
09:56:07 public can do about it, that's a concern.
09:56:13 Again, you know, if the property owner wants to do
09:56:15 something, or if the Westshore Alliance wants to notify
09:56:19 people through different mechanisms of what's going on, and
09:56:21 they talked about some of those this morning.
09:56:23 >>MARY MULHERN: Right.
09:56:24 But our place here is to adopt, you know, adopt the overlay
09:56:29 is basically new law.
09:56:35 >>JIM SHIMBERG: The overlay is in place.
09:56:37 These are changes to it.
09:56:37 >>MARY MULHERN: Well, I am going to accept that.
09:56:40 It makes sense.
09:56:41 So I think -- the question here -- and this is the big --
09:56:49 this is important for us, because we are going to continue
09:56:52 to be asked to make some changes, to make things, you know,
09:56:57 this is the mayor's initiative.
09:56:59 We have council that's been supportive of it.
09:57:03 But the buck ends up stopping here when it's about
09:57:08 neighborhoods and what -- how you want your neighborhood to
09:57:12 grow, and we are it.
09:57:14 We are the people that have that contact and answer to be
09:57:19 the neighbors.
09:57:20 So I'm not sure what I will do personally here on this vote,
09:57:29 because -- and I'd like to maybe ask to be hear from Ms.
09:57:35 Vizzi again -- but this is what I want to say.
09:57:39 These changes have been out there for a while.
09:57:43 And I haven't been contacted, I don't think.
09:57:50 I think if we are going to be adopting these changes, we
09:57:55 want to know that the neighborhood people are in favor of
09:58:00 them or not, and what changes we can do.
09:58:03 So if we are being told -- we are being told by the
09:58:07 petitioner, he's worked with the neighborhoods, and that is
09:58:11 all okay, then we are being told -- we were told by Mr.
09:58:15 Snelling that our staff approves of it.
09:58:20 So what -- I want to be able to work with the neighborhoods.
09:58:26 And what happens here often is that the neighborhoods are
09:58:29 talking to the developers, and the neighborhoods are talking
09:58:33 to our staff, and then when it comes to council for
09:58:37 adoption, we are presented with this decision, and, you
09:58:43 know, it's difficult for us to examine all of this at this
09:58:51 So Ms. Vizzi, I would like to hear from you what you would
09:58:54 like to us do, because this is what I think.
09:58:56 We can't do the notice that you would like to do.
09:58:59 We are being told by legal we can't do this.
09:59:01 So if there are problems that you foresee in this, maybe we
09:59:06 need to go back and work on what we are adopting here.
09:59:11 Because if we are going to go -- you know, I agree that we
09:59:15 need -- it's better to have an overlay that has what we need
09:59:18 in it.
09:59:20 And this -- I don't see this as a big rush.
09:59:23 If you would like to continue this, and look at what you are
09:59:30 not comfortable with.
09:59:31 But this is between -- some of us, staff on council, don't
09:59:37 like PDs because we like to have consistency and we like
09:59:40 to have overall planning, and want it to be fair.
09:59:47 So, you know, I think we have to start thinking differently
09:59:49 about how we can design ahead if we are going these.
09:59:55 So let us know if you would like to work further on this,
10:00:02 or -- the notice isn't, I don't think, going to happen.
10:00:08 >>MARGARET VIZZI: 213 south Sherill.
10:00:17 It only has to be in a conspicuous place where the inspector
10:00:21 knows whereby it is.
10:00:22 And if the box is where we can read the address and read
10:00:25 what's going on, but I was told --
10:00:29 >> I was referring to the -- wasn't referring to the permit
10:00:32 box, Ms. Vizzi.
10:00:33 Usually two-foot by four-foot signs that are erected that
10:00:40 say, for instance, if it's the Encore project there's
10:00:44 several signs that are posted on the property, that say
10:00:48 Encore, retail development, residential properties being
10:00:54 constructed, so the board -- maybe look like advertisement.
10:01:01 >>MARGARET VIZZI: Well, that's what we asked for.
10:01:03 They said they couldn't even have them do that.
10:01:06 >>LISA MONTELIONE: No, it's not a requirement.
10:01:08 Generally in the development community goes up because they
10:01:11 want the community to know that they are doing the project.
10:01:15 >>MARGARET VIZZI: Well, I misunderstood then, because I
10:01:19 thought you had referred to the box where all the permits
10:01:22 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I know for our companies we have signs.
10:01:26 Ours aren't big and fancy because we are a little company,
10:01:29 but we have little signs that have our company name,
10:01:33 contractor he's license and telephone number on it.
10:01:35 I hope that on a project we are working on there's a phone
10:01:42 number that somebody can call.
10:01:44 >>MARGARET VIZZI: But that wouldn't be the case with us, and
10:01:46 that's the other thing I brought up, that the neighborhood
10:01:49 has been very concerned about that, because if they did see
10:01:53 any activity going on, they were concerned about what would
10:01:57 happen in the neighborhood.
10:01:57 But there is no -- there is no need for a contact person or
10:02:02 That's the other thing.
10:02:03 We asked just for a board.
10:02:06 Westshore was very supportive of, that would have a contact
10:02:11 name and a phone number.
10:02:13 But they said they couldn't require them to even do that.
10:02:16 So then I came up with the address idea, so at least we
10:02:20 would have an address, if we have to call the police in the
10:02:23 middle of the night to call, or if we saw something with the
10:02:30 city that -- I mean, even with the construction as it went
10:02:33 on, such as going through the neighborhood to get to the
10:02:36 project when they are not supposed to.
10:02:38 We don't even have an address to call the city.
10:02:41 Now, they told me that every department in the city should
10:02:43 be able to tell us what the address, if we give them, you
10:02:47 know, an p location.
10:02:50 But that doesn't always happen in code enforcement when we
10:02:53 call about something.
10:02:55 It's constantly -- but we need an address.
10:02:59 And there's no address.
10:03:00 So that's the only thing at this point.
10:03:02 We understand all the rest.
10:03:04 We are supportive of the overlay because of what has been
10:03:07 But we do feel that at least an address on the property
10:03:12 would help us to get some kind of information what's going
10:03:21 And that's with the neighborhood.
10:03:23 I mean, we did not call another meeting to reconsider our
10:03:28 consideration of supporting this.
10:03:34 But that's the area of support.
10:03:37 So I would ask council.
10:03:39 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I think Mr. Shimberg is going to tell
10:03:42 You already said this is a bigger consideration we have to
10:03:45 look at across the city as a policy? We can look at that --
10:03:52 >>JIM SHIMBERG: City attorney. I would recommend first of
10:03:53 all to take action on this separately.
10:03:53 But if you want to ask legal to take a look at the
10:03:57 provisions in chapter 5 that deal with placement of
10:04:00 permitting plans and numbering buildings we can look back
10:04:06 and see if there are any changes to make that even
10:04:09 properties under construction would be required to have
10:04:12 addresses, we might be able to make some little tweaks in
10:04:15 the provisions that we already have in the code that apply
10:04:17 city-wide, because her issue that she's raising are more
10:04:20 than just Westshore issues.
10:04:21 They are really city-wide.
10:04:23 We think it's covered already.
10:04:24 But we can look at that and see if there's any tweaks that
10:04:28 we would recommend.
10:04:29 But I think it's really separate.
10:04:31 >>MARY MULHERN: Councilman Cohen?
10:04:33 >>HARRY COHEN: I think it sound like we are in the process
10:04:36 of resolving this issue.
10:04:37 I was just going to say for my part that, you know, it
10:04:43 usually is in practical solutions that we can find a meeting
10:04:46 of the minds, and I think that we can go ahead and pass the
10:04:50 overlay, which has been exhaustively considered, and which I
10:04:57 think to a lot of us is a great step forward to the city,
10:05:01 but at the same time, to address Ms. Vizzi's concerns, which
10:05:04 are legitimate and important, and we can address them
10:05:07 outside of the actual passage of this ordinance.
10:05:11 It's very clear, I think, what the legal is saying about the
10:05:15 limitations of what we should do here in terms of creating
10:05:19 an expectation with the giving of formal notice, but it
10:05:24 sound like everyone is committed to working together to find
10:05:27 another way of giving the neighborhood some comfort level
10:05:30 about what's going on.
10:05:32 So that's one of the things, and that's what I was going to
10:05:37 speak to before everyone sort of had their second bite at
10:05:40 the apple.
10:05:46 >>THOM SNELLING: And Councilman Cohen said well, practical
10:05:50 Westshore is not New Tampa.
10:05:52 It's not a lot of open wetlands and vacant lands and farm
10:05:55 land that's being subdivided and needing an address.
10:05:59 You know, most of Westshore overlay district has been built
10:06:03 on, rebuilt, rebuilt over many years, and it's all
10:06:08 Everything out there is virtually addressed.
10:06:10 We are talking about maybe perhaps 57% of the property out
10:06:13 there that has not had an address or development on it in
10:06:15 the future -- or in the past.
10:06:17 >>HARRY COHEN: I don't think she's referring to the address
10:06:21 of the parcel.
10:06:22 She's referring to an address of someone she can contact if
10:06:25 there's a question.
10:06:29 >>THOM SNELLING: I have to reiterate what Councilwoman
10:06:34 Montelione said.
10:06:35 In the City of Tampa when we are building a project, we have
10:06:40 a sign that says your tax dollars at work, contact David or
10:06:46 Steve Daignault.
10:06:48 You can't even go buy a house being built that doesn't have
10:06:52 Joe Schmoe construction on it.
10:06:54 That information by practical consideration is there
10:06:56 >> And addresses are easily located on the property
10:07:00 appraiser's Web site.
10:07:03 Very simple.
10:07:04 Madam Chair, if I may.
10:07:06 >>MARY MULHERN: (off microphone) Need a motion to close.
10:07:21 >> Motion to close the public hearing.
10:07:23 >> Second.
10:07:25 >> Move an ordinance being presented for second reading and
10:07:30 adoption, an ordinance of the city of Tampa, Florida
10:07:32 relating to the west shore overlay district making revisions
10:07:35 to City of Tampa code of ordinances chapter 27 zoning
10:07:38 amending section 27-463, west shore commercial overlay
10:07:42 district development standards, repealing all ordinances or
10:07:45 parts of ordinances in conflict therewith, providing for
10:07:47 severability, providing an effective date.
10:07:49 >> Second.
10:07:52 >>MARY MULHERN: Motion made by Councilman Montelione,
10:07:58 seconded by Councilman Suarez.
10:08:02 Please vote and record.
10:08:04 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried with Capin and Miranda being
10:08:15 >>MARY MULHERN: We will move on to our public hearings.
10:08:31 If we could have a motion to open.
10:08:33 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Motion to open public hearings items 40
10:08:36 through 45.
10:08:38 >> Second.
10:08:40 >>MARY MULHERN: All in favor?
10:08:44 Item number 40.
10:08:49 Is there anyone who wishes to speak on any of these items?
10:08:53 Please stand and be sworn in at this time.
10:08:56 (Oath administered by Clerk)
10:09:13 >>ABBYE FEELEY: Land Development Coordination.
10:09:15 I just wanted to let you know that items number 40, 42, 43
10:09:19 and 44 required site plan certification for today's
10:09:24 They have been certified.
10:09:25 They have been provided to the clerk.
10:09:26 I do have copies of those if you wish.
10:09:29 >>MARY MULHERN: Thank you.
10:09:31 Councilman Cohen.
10:09:39 Is there anyone who wishes tore speak on item 40?
10:09:43 Seeing no one, can we have a motion to close?
10:09:47 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Motion to close.
10:09:48 >>FRANK REDDICK: Second.
10:09:49 >>MARY MULHERN: All in favor?
10:09:51 Councilman Reddick?
10:09:54 >>FRANK REDDICK: Move an ordinance being presented for
10:09:58 second reading and adoption, an ordinance approving a
10:10:00 special use permit S-2 approving a place of religious
10:10:04 assembly and daycare in an RS-50 residential single-family
10:10:08 zoning district in the general vicinity of 4323 east Henry
10:10:12 Avenue in the city of Tampa, Florida and as more
10:10:14 particularly described in section 1 hereof providing an
10:10:17 effective date.
10:10:17 >> Second.
10:10:19 >>MARY MULHERN: Motion made by Councilman Reddick, seconded
10:10:34 by Councilman Cohen? Suarez?
10:10:37 Thank you.
10:10:37 All in favor -- please vote and record.
10:10:48 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried with Capin and Miranda being
10:10:52 >>MARY MULHERN: Item number 41.
10:10:57 Does anyone wish to speak on item number 41?
10:11:01 >>FRANK REDDICK: Move to close.
10:11:06 >>HARRY COHEN: Second.
10:11:07 >>MARY MULHERN: All in favor?
10:11:10 Councilman Cohen?
10:11:12 >>HARRY COHEN: I move an ordinance being presented for
10:11:14 second reading and adoption, an ordinance rezoning property
10:11:17 in the general vicinity of 9310 North Florida Avenue, in the
10:11:21 city of Tampa, Florida, and more particularly described in
10:11:23 section 1 from zoning district classification PD, planned
10:11:27 development, restaurant with drive-in window, to CI,
10:11:30 commercial intensive, providing an effective date.
10:11:32 >> Second.
10:11:38 >>MARY MULHERN: Motion made by Councilman Cohen, seconded
10:11:40 by council Councilman Suarez.
10:11:43 Please vote and record.
10:11:43 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried with Capin and Miranda being
10:11:53 >>MARY MULHERN: Item number 42.
10:11:55 Is there anyone who wishes to speak on item number 42?
10:12:02 Can I have a motion?
10:12:05 >> Motion to close.
10:12:06 >> Second.
10:12:07 >>MARY MULHERN: All in favor?
10:12:09 Councilwoman Montelione, could you read item number 42,
10:12:13 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I move an ordinance being presented for
10:12:16 second reading and adoption, an ordinance rezoning property
10:12:19 in the general vicinity of 3922 west Powhatan Avenue in the
10:12:23 city of Tampa, Florida and more particularly described in
10:12:25 section 1 from zoning district classifications RS-50
10:12:29 residential single-family to PD planned development
10:12:31 residential, single-family detached and semi-detached,
10:12:34 providing an effective date.
10:12:34 >> Second.
10:12:37 >>MARY MULHERN: Motion made by Councilwoman Montelione,
10:12:39 seconded by Councilman Suarez.
10:12:41 Please vote and record.
10:12:41 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried with Capin and Miranda being
10:12:50 >>MARY MULHERN: Item number 43.
10:12:57 Does anyone wish to be speak on item number 43?
10:13:00 >>JULIA COLE: Legal department.
10:13:02 As you may recall, as part of this petition, there was a
10:13:07 request to waive the Kennedy overlay standard as relates to
10:13:11 the undergrounding of TECO utilities within the
10:13:16 At that hearing, there was testimony given by the applicant
10:13:19 that in their conversations with TECO, TECO would require an
10:13:24 p 20-foot easement on private property in order to allow
10:13:27 that undergrounding.
10:13:28 I actually had the opportunity to go out to the site and
10:13:31 meet with the TECO representative and that is what their
10:13:35 requirement would be.
10:13:36 The way that is left, a note on the site plan stating the
10:13:41 waiver would be granted to the extent that if TECO was going
10:13:43 to require undergrounding on private property, then the
10:13:46 waiver would be granted, and the property owner would not
10:13:49 have to underground the facilities.
10:13:51 Given my conversations with TECO, I just wanted to represent
10:13:55 the council that that would the case, and the waiver that is
10:13:58 currently on the site plan in this configuration would be
10:14:01 able to stand and it would be appropriate for them to move
10:14:03 forward today.
10:14:04 I'm available for any questions.
10:14:05 >>MARY MULHERN: Thank you.
10:14:13 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Thank you, Madam Chair.
10:14:16 This is an item that I support and move forward with, but I
10:14:20 do want to request that legal has looked at -- and Ms. Cole
10:14:29 and I spoke about this -- there was a requirement that is
10:14:34 part of the site plan currently about undergrounding
10:14:39 If TECO is going to require that this be on private
10:14:43 property, I worry now that that requirement of putting the
10:14:50 conduit in the ground in advance of another project or
10:14:53 something in the future, and us taking advantage of that
10:14:57 conduit being there, is if TECO can't use it, and it's not
10:15:01 going to be compliant, then can we remove that from the site
10:15:08 >>JULIA COLE: Legal department.
10:15:09 I actually looked at the note and discussed the matter
10:15:15 In order to move from site plan at this point you have to
10:15:18 take it back to first reading under the rules.
10:15:20 But I'm comfortable it could be removed administratively
10:15:23 given the nature of the way the waiver was drafted and given
10:15:29 other heavy connotations of TECO's almost impossibility of
10:15:33 that being able to occur.
10:15:34 So that would be something we would be able to handle.
10:15:36 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Thank you very much.
10:15:39 Then I would move the ordinance.
10:15:43 Motion to close.
10:15:45 >> Second.
10:15:45 >>MARY MULHERN: (off microphone).
10:15:50 >> Second.
10:15:52 >>MARY MULHERN: All in favor?
10:15:56 >> An ordinance being presented for second reading and
10:16:01 adoption, rezoning property in the general vicinity of 1702
10:16:05 and 1720 West Kennedy Boulevard, 108 and 112 south Packwood
10:16:10 Avenue, and is 11 south Rome Avenue in the city of Tampa,
10:16:13 Florida and more particularly described in section 1 from
10:16:16 zoning district classifications PD planned development,
10:16:19 mixed use, office, retail, restaurant, residential and
10:16:23 multifamily, to PD, planned development, daycare, school and
10:16:26 office, business/professional and medical, providing an
10:16:29 effective date.
10:16:29 >>MARY MULHERN: Motion made by Councilman Suarez, seconded
10:16:35 by Councilman Cohen.
10:16:36 Please vote and record.
10:16:37 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried with cab peen and Miranda being
10:16:46 >>MARY MULHERN: Item number 45.
10:16:49 Does anyone wish to speak?
10:16:52 >>FRANK REDDICK: 44.
10:16:53 >>MARY MULHERN: I'm getting ahead of myself.
10:16:55 Item number 44.
10:16:56 Does anyone wish to speak on item number 44?
10:17:01 Seeing no one, can we have a motion?
10:17:06 >>JULIA COLE: Again, Julia Cole, legal department.
10:17:08 As you may recall at the first reading this petition there
10:17:11 was a request for a waiver to our sign code in order to make
10:17:14 an existing sign conforming form.
10:17:22 However, it's a little rare that this occur in this manner.
10:17:27 Researching the previously approved PD, under our old code
10:17:36 typically didn't happen because our old site code allowed so
10:17:39 much signage and nobody was asking for anything through the
10:17:43 PD process, but in this particular instance there was an
10:17:45 approved sign as part of a previous PD per code, therefore
10:17:51 the waiver is not required and has been removed.
10:17:54 Thank you.
10:17:54 >>MARY MULHERN: Thank you.
10:17:56 Marty, did you want to speak?
10:18:05 I don't see anyone else who wishes to speak.
10:18:07 Motion to close?
10:18:09 >> So moved.
10:18:10 >> Second.
10:18:10 >>MARY MULHERN: All in favor?
10:18:16 Councilman Reddick, could you read item 44?
10:18:19 >>FRANK REDDICK: An ordinance being presented for second
10:18:22 reading and adoption.
10:18:23 An ordinance rezoning property in the general vicinity of
10:18:25 612 North Dale Mabry highway in the city of Tampa, Florida
10:18:29 and more particularly described in section 1 from zoning
10:18:32 district classifications PD, planned development,
10:18:35 restaurant, to PD, planned development, restaurant,
10:18:39 providing an effective date.
10:18:39 >> Second.
10:18:42 >>MARY MULHERN: Motion made by Councilman Reddick, seconded
10:18:44 by Councilman Suarez.
10:18:46 Please vote and record.
10:18:55 >>CLERK: Motion carried with Miranda and Capin both being
10:18:59 >>MARY MULHERN: Is there anyone who wishes tore speak on
10:19:02 item number 45?
10:19:10 >> Motion to close.
10:19:14 >> Second.
10:19:14 >>MARY MULHERN: All in favor?
10:19:16 Item number 45.
10:19:17 Councilman Cohen, could you read that?
10:19:19 >>HARRY COHEN: I move an ordinance being presented for
10:19:22 second reading and adoption, an ordinance rezoning property
10:19:26 in the general vicinity of 3422 temple street in the city of
10:19:31 Tampa, Florida and more particularly described in section 1
10:19:34 from zoning district classification RM-16 residential
10:19:38 multifamily to CG commercial general, providing an effective
10:19:41 >> Second.
10:19:43 >>MARY MULHERN: Motion made by Councilman Cohen, seconded
10:19:45 by Councilman Suarez.
10:19:48 Please vote and record.
10:19:48 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried with Capin and Miranda being
10:19:57 >>MARY MULHERN: Item number 46.
10:20:06 We are on staff reports.
10:20:07 >> Marc Hamlin, Tampa Police Department.
10:20:22 On behalf of Chief Castor.
10:20:24 I'll give you an update on our loud music from vehicles
10:20:28 Back in October 2010 we designated a code that tracks
10:20:32 specifically loud music from vehicle complaints coming in to
10:20:35 our communications center from citizens.
10:20:37 This distinguished the calls from the general disturbances
10:20:40 like loud music from a building, say, people just being loud
10:20:45 in the area, things like that.
10:20:48 As of yesterday, we received 912 calls from citizens in that
10:20:52 11-month period, about an average of 83 a month.
10:20:55 Now, as you are aware in May, the statute, the state statute
10:21:00 for loud music from a vehicle audible over 25 feet was found
10:21:03 to be unconstitutional so we can no longer enforce that.
10:21:08 In June, we instituted the program that a citizen can send
10:21:15 in an e-mail to the police department saying that they have
10:21:17 observed the vehicle with loud music, they provide the
10:21:20 proper information, and if it fits the criteria, the tag
10:21:24 number given is the same description as the car, et cetera,
10:21:28 we'll send a letter to that person.
10:21:30 The owner of the car saying that their vehicle could
10:21:33 possibly be in violation of the disorderly conduct statute,
10:21:36 which is a criminal misdemeanor.
10:21:39 Since we have instituted, we have received 12 e-mails of
10:21:42 which we sent two letters.
10:21:44 Sew some were duplicate e-mails.
10:21:46 Some were loud mufflers.
10:21:47 Some e-mails did not provide the proper information to us
10:21:50 that we were able to identify the vehicle.
10:21:52 So it looks like in the summertime, June, July, August, we
10:21:56 average about 74 calls per month since the statute has been
10:22:00 found unconstitutional.
10:22:01 With only 11 months of data it's hard to see if that's just
10:22:05 a normal trend in the summertime.
10:22:08 Where we track crime is we compare the month, say in, 2011
10:22:12 to the month in 2010 because certain times of the year has
10:22:16 certain trends that we need to know so it hard to tell for
10:22:20 now. Anyway, the statute becoming unconstitutional has
10:22:24 really tied our hands.
10:22:26 In the past, an officer had to witness the offense to write
10:22:29 a ticket.
10:22:29 Now, if we were to be charge criminal statutes such as
10:22:32 disorderly conduct or nuisance statutes we would not only
10:22:37 have to have the officer there, we would have to have a
10:22:38 citizen witness willing to come to court and be the
10:22:41 complainant on the case.
10:22:42 That's where we stand right now with loud music.
10:22:44 >>MARY MULHERN: Councilman Reddick.
10:22:48 >>FRANK REDDICK: Thank you.
10:22:58 A resident can send an e-mail, and what other alternatives
10:23:02 do you make to an individual who are not computer savvy or
10:23:06 person that has no computer?
10:23:10 What alternative do you have besides e-mail?
10:23:13 >> We have 912 calls already.
10:23:17 E-mail is another factor.
10:23:18 If someone wanted to activate the soft letter they can call
10:23:21 the chief's office just as well as sending an e-mail.
10:23:24 The e-mail is just an option on the city message center that
10:23:27 was set up as another alternative.
10:23:29 >>MARY MULHERN: And let me ask you another question.
10:23:32 If a person is driving down a neighborhood street, and your
10:23:39 officer is parked on the corner somewhere, and they come
10:23:42 through with very, very loud music, you still have the right
10:23:47 to stop them based on the noise level, right?
10:23:50 >> No.
10:23:51 >> You cannot stop them if they are booming, a lot of noise
10:23:54 is booming from the car?
10:23:56 >> No.
10:23:56 That's found unconstitutional, that statute.
10:23:59 The noise ordinance the city has in place only deals with
10:24:02 property lines.
10:24:03 When they deal with property lines, you are only dealing
10:24:07 with structures, not cars.
10:24:07 >> So I can go out there and drive down Kennedy Boulevard
10:24:10 and blast my stereo on my car as loud as I want to?
10:24:13 >> Yes.
10:24:14 >> And an officer cannot stop me?
10:24:16 >> Unfortunately, yes.
10:24:18 Not for that purpose.
10:24:20 Any longer.
10:24:21 >> It's amazing.
10:24:22 >>MARY MULHERN: Councilman Suarez.
10:24:26 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Assistant chief, do you have any statistics
10:24:30 on property, noise coming from properties in your -- I'm
10:24:36 putting you on the spot.
10:24:37 I apologize.
10:24:38 >> I didn't prepare any but we do have data and it's readily
10:24:42 available if you would like me to send it to you.
10:24:44 >> That would be appreciated.
10:24:46 And, you know, something that we are all kind of dealing
10:24:50 with is how we are going to deal with the Constitutionality
10:24:53 of Second DCA saying that it was unconstitutional, fifth DCA
10:24:58 saying that it is Constitutional, and hopefully it's going
10:25:01 to go to the Supreme Court, and that will happen probably in
10:25:04 the next six to nine months.
10:25:05 But nonetheless, now, we appreciate you getting those
10:25:08 statistics to me.
10:25:09 I would like to know because, as you know, there's problems
10:25:13 with property owners, and renters that are next to property
10:25:16 owners that are going -- some of the same noise nuisances as
10:25:21 we see with automobiles.
10:25:22 >> Absolutely.
10:25:23 >> Thank you.
10:25:24 >> Thank you, assistant chief.
10:25:30 I just want to give a little background here, because before
10:25:38 it was declared unconstitutional we did have a lot of
10:25:41 requests to do more to change it, and the legal and police
10:25:46 department have worked with the citizens who are trying to
10:25:49 do this.
10:25:50 And Mr. Daniels isn't here, is he?
10:25:55 But Mr. Daniels has been coming to council, into the police
10:25:59 department for years, asking to implement this soft letter
10:26:05 And I was really happy to hear that we are trying it out.
10:26:07 And I was thinking that we wouldn't need to have these
10:26:13 semiannual reports anymore, but we probably need to hear
10:26:15 from you when you do have some data come back in six months
10:26:19 and then we'll see.
10:26:20 But hopefully it will work.
10:26:25 Is it too early to tell?
10:26:26 >> I think it's too early to tell.
10:26:28 But we'll certainly come back in six months and report.
10:26:30 The more data we have, the more we could figure out.
10:26:33 >>MARY MULHERN: Thank you.
10:26:37 >>JIM SHIMBERG: City attorney.
10:26:38 I think what the chair was getting at, if the council would
10:26:44 amend that motion to require come back every six months,
10:26:47 instead have the can chief come back when we have something
10:26:50 to report, whether it's resolution on that particular case,
10:26:53 as opposed to just coming back in six months.
10:26:55 It's up to council, but that motion was initiated back in
10:27:01 >>MARY MULHERN: We'll take your advice.
10:27:03 You can probably come back if there's any legal news, right?
10:27:07 >> Yes, especially if there's some legal issues of the
10:27:10 statute being put back in place, or the state legislature
10:27:13 replaces it with something that we can enforce.
10:27:15 >>MARY MULHERN: And I'm sure you will give us good news
10:27:18 with the soft letter, right?
10:27:20 >> I'll try to work it out the best I can.
10:27:22 >>MARY MULHERN: Councilwoman?
10:27:27 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I would move to amend the motion that
10:27:29 was initiated by Dingfelder on September 3rd, 2009, to
10:27:36 say that we come back -- or TPD come back when there is a
10:27:42 change in the court's decision or in the data that the soft
10:27:49 letter program has produced.
10:27:50 So a discussion of Tampa Police Department to come back when
10:27:56 there is an event to report on.
10:27:57 >> I second that.
10:28:01 >>MARY MULHERN: All in favor?
10:28:04 Thank you very much.
10:28:12 Item number 47.
10:28:14 Kimberley Crum from human resources, director.
10:28:20 Thank you for attending our last meeting, for being so
10:28:24 patient and for agreeing to come back this week for your
10:28:27 >> Thank you, council, for having us this morning.
10:28:33 Kimberley Crum, human resources director here on item number
10:28:36 47, which is the Wellness Center update which you request
10:28:41 after our May update.
10:28:43 We are so pleased to be before you.
10:28:45 You will recall when we went forth with the Wellman center
10:28:49 initiative and received approval from the prior council last
10:28:52 October, to drive down the escalating costs of health care.
10:28:58 So we are before you today with an update that shows some
10:29:00 early results that we are pleased to share.
10:29:03 If I could have the PowerPoint, please.
10:29:08 What we will be covering today in the Wellness Center update
10:29:17 is an update on our location, some utilization statistics,
10:29:24 diagnoses, some results on our patient satisfaction numbers
10:29:26 and the financial impact as requested by the council.
10:29:32 First of all, the numbers that we are showing you today are
10:29:35 from inception with the first opening of our Himes Avenue
10:29:40 Wellness Center on February 28 through July 31st.
10:29:46 Himes Avenue location has been opened as reported earlier,
10:29:49 and our Brandon location opened as planned on May 31.
10:29:54 In total, we had 3936 patient visits.
10:29:59 Just as a refresher, as the centers opened, our patient
10:30:04 visits tend to be about a half hour in length, and then
10:30:07 return visits, 15 minutes in length.
10:30:11 So as the wellness centers mature there are more patient
10:30:14 visits available in the calendar.
10:30:16 Currently we are running at about 100 percent utilization.
10:30:19 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Ms. Crum,.
10:30:25 >>MARY MULHERN: Ms. Crum, what is the total number of
10:30:28 enrollees, employees and retirees in the program?
10:30:32 >> We have about 3,650-ish employees who take the city's
10:30:38 health insurance, and about 10,000 covered lives.
10:30:42 So 3,946 visits is quite a number for the early results.
10:30:50 Of those visits, about 70% of the patients have been
10:30:55 About 26% are dependents and the remaining 4% are retirees
10:31:04 at this time.
10:31:05 Of the nearly 4,000 visits that have taken place, there has
10:31:07 been 1448 unique visitors, so obviously some patients have
10:31:13 been more than once.
10:31:17 You may recall in our prior briefings to you, our goal was
10:31:22 to take the city's top five diagnoses which typically drive
10:31:25 about 80% of our health care costs, and begin to Chip away
10:31:30 at those health conditions to try and see improvement
10:31:33 earlier, or detection earlier so that employees don't end up
10:31:40 in a disease situation that has a far greater impact on them
10:31:44 and their home life, family life and here at work.
10:31:47 And it's interesting to report that the top four diagnoses
10:31:51 at the wellness centers to date have been overweight or high
10:31:55 body mass index, high blood pressure, diabetes or high
10:32:04 And the fifth item we talked about driving our costs was
10:32:06 tobacco related illnesses.
10:32:10 And that continues to be a priority at the wellness centers,
10:32:17 A patient satisfaction result, there is an iPod survey
10:32:23 that patients are anonymously responding to and eight total
10:32:28 questions, like what's the location convenience, was the
10:32:31 staff friendly, and responsive, and is the facility clean?
10:32:36 The question that we really key in on is, were you 100
10:32:39 percent satisfied?
10:32:41 And of the 1040 patients who have taken that survey, 98%
10:32:46 have answered that they were satisfied or better.
10:32:50 So that is a good response as well.
10:32:56 Kind of walking back through our initial presentation, it's
10:32:59 important for folks who may not spend a lot of time with our
10:33:03 health care plan.
10:33:04 As a reminder we do have over 10,000 covered lives, and the
10:33:10 total spend for the recent fiscal year is almost $35
10:33:14 So this is a key budgetary item that we are watching very
10:33:17 closely and attempting to make impact on.
10:33:21 Of that $35 million, about $28 million is city fund.
10:33:27 This is a benefit that's provided by all of our bargaining
10:33:32 unit agreements for all employees and retirees.
10:33:36 If we are going to do benefits, we want to make sure that we
10:33:39 meet our goal, our stated goal of keeping our benefits high
10:33:42 quality and competitive in the marketplace, and effectively
10:33:46 managing the cost at all times.
10:33:51 Our costs like so many other jurisdictions and other
10:33:53 organizations, the cost of our health care is decided each
10:33:56 year at renewal time, based on a prior number of months.
10:34:01 Claims experience, so if we have a good claims year our
10:34:04 renewal goes fairly smoothly and if we have a difficult
10:34:07 claims year it's reflected in the price to the city and to
10:34:10 its employees.
10:34:12 Who share in that.
10:34:13 And in our particular case, typically we are looking at
10:34:17 about the most recent 20-month claims experience.
10:34:23 When we talked about first instituting the wellness centers,
10:34:27 they had been utilized as a best practice in a number of
10:34:30 places to help reduce the rate of cost escalation in the
10:34:34 health care plan and that's our stated goal as well.
10:34:38 It's available to all of our City of Tampa employees
10:34:40 non-medicare retirees and dependents.
10:34:47 We have contracted with Care ATC to provide the services so
10:34:52 they hire the physicians and the staff, and they provide the
10:34:56 quality care that our folks have grown accustomed to. One
10:35:00 of the key elements of this company's initiative that made
10:35:04 them so attractive to us was that they do a proactive health
10:35:09 screening for their employees just with a vial of blood, get
10:35:12 a very comprehensive series of results back, so that they
10:35:17 can use those to cover them with their own physician or with
10:35:21 a doctor at the Wellness Center.
10:35:24 Care ATC also ensures HIPAA compliance and that the
10:35:30 employees information is kept completely confidential.
10:35:33 And they have worked together with us to ensure that we have
10:35:35 convenient locations, with the geography of our
10:35:41 participants, and that seems to be working out very well.
10:35:45 The benefits to the city from the initial proposal, to
10:35:51 reduce the rate of cost escalation in our plan, also to make
10:35:54 sure that our employees can get appointments readily when
10:35:59 And that we have some predictability in the pass-through
10:36:04 costs that are sent through to us for various items within
10:36:07 the center that we end up paying wholesale costs for, and
10:36:11 also that we wanted to address the city's worker's
10:36:14 compensation situation as well, because we are self-funded
10:36:19 for that.
10:36:21 Every visit that goes through the wellness center is dollars
10:36:28 Moving onto the financial impact.
10:36:29 This slide is meant to depict when we originally put the
10:36:33 proposal through July 31st, we were to have spent about
10:36:40 $885,000, and through July 31, our actual numbers are at
10:36:50 So we are running just slightly below the budget that was
10:36:50 planned. Then through October 31, we expect to remain
10:36:53 within the budget that we submitted initially.
10:37:00 Moving from the impact of the Wellness Center into the
10:37:02 health plan. As we are looking at renewal for the coming
10:37:04 year, we are watching very closely what our carrier United
10:37:08 Health Care and what Gallagher benefit services, our
10:37:12 brokers, are sharing with us about the local market, and
10:37:15 they are both in agreement that we should be, in the local
10:37:20 market, and about 11.5% increase for inflation and our
10:37:23 health care spend.
10:37:26 And remembering that our costs are based on the last 20
10:37:28 months of historical claims experience, we are really
10:37:32 pleased to show you the next slide which shows that our
10:37:34 total claim expense for this year, of January through July,
10:37:39 versus last year's January through July, is showing an
10:37:53 From January through July 2010, you will see on this slide
10:37:56 slightly over $20 million in claims expense for last year.
10:37:59 The same time this year, our claims experience has been
10:38:03 $19.1 million, so that the claims costs have decreased by
10:38:08 $1.2 million so far this year.
10:38:11 Now, of course, in order to have an apples to apples
10:38:14 comparison we have to add back in the amounts of expenses we
10:38:16 have seen in the wellness centers.
10:38:18 So we add back in the $880,000 for a net claims cost
10:38:24 decrease of about $383,000 or 1.9%.
10:38:29 So instead of seeing an increase of about 11.5%, for the
10:38:33 short period of time that we are looking at in this initial
10:38:38 implementation, we are seeing a slight decrease.
10:38:46 Originally we had talked about benefits to employees that
10:38:48 they would be able to go to the wellness centers with no
10:38:54 co-payments, and -- for the visit, I should say, and no
10:38:58 co-payments for generic prescriptions available, and that's
10:39:02 certainly true today.
10:39:06 They expect to receive continuity of care, and many are
10:39:08 seeing that in the initial stages, and that they would
10:39:10 receive support for wellness initiatives like management,
10:39:16 tobacco cessation and weight loss.
10:39:18 And that's all of the visits to the wellness centers are
10:39:20 voluntary and they remain so.
10:39:23 So as we are looking at the cost savings that our employees
10:39:26 may have seen in the first few months, it's really
10:39:29 impossible to know what they received, but just as a general
10:39:34 rule of thumb we know that each office visit was in the
10:39:37 city's health plan had either a $25 co-payment for a regular
10:39:41 or primary care type of visit and a $35 co-payment for
10:39:45 specialist visit.
10:39:46 So if we multiply the 3900 and 39 visits that have occurred
10:39:51 to date times even the minimum $25, we are at $98,400
10:39:57 savings for our employees, as a bear minimum.
10:40:00 For each prescription, there's a wide range of prescriptions
10:40:04 that are available at different costs, and of course some
10:40:06 employees come to the Wellness Center and they might receive
10:40:09 several prescriptions that they leave and others might come
10:40:12 and have no need for a prescription that day.
10:40:14 But if we assume that each employee that comes about three
10:40:17 quarters of them receive one prescription at the very most
10:40:22 entry level of co-payment, if you will, then our employee
10:40:27 savings increased, obviously.
10:40:30 So our best guesstimate is between 150,000 and 225,000 that
10:40:37 our employees may have saved thus far to date.
10:40:43 Just in summary, this has been just an incredible initiative
10:40:47 and incredible undertaking.
10:40:49 And we want to thank the City Council, your predecessors,
10:40:53 who so graciously entered into this initiative with us, and
10:40:58 we want to thank you for continuing to be interested in it
10:41:01 and for keeping tabs on how we are doing.
10:41:03 We also want to thank our city employees.
10:41:06 What a great bunch.
10:41:07 They have really been very welcome and very interested in
10:41:11 the city's wellness centers, and we appreciate their
10:41:14 willingness to try it out and to share the word on how
10:41:18 things are going.
10:41:21 And we continue to appreciate feedback and ways to improve.
10:41:26 We have made a number of improvements in the center based on
10:41:28 employee feedback, things that are as simple as the lobby
10:41:34 windows so it was a little more private for folks arriving,
10:41:37 simple things, that really has some, I think, improved
10:41:42 people's use of the wellness centers as well.
10:41:45 And if I may, we have staff with us.
10:41:50 Many of you, you have all met.
10:41:53 Michael, the city's risk manager who has a whole team behind
10:41:57 him and HRS staff behind him who worked diligently on this.
10:42:00 I would like to acknowledge he and Regina who worked so hard
10:42:08 and ask them if they would stand.
10:42:17 Thank you.
10:42:19 [ Applause ]
10:42:21 >>MARY MULHERN: Good financial news is great and health and
10:42:28 >> Kimberly, thank you so much for the presentation.
10:42:32 And I said this to you privately and I want to make sure I
10:42:35 say this publicly, that this kind of undertaking, the number
10:42:37 of moving parts, the things that you need to do in order to
10:42:42 make this a success, you are right, the previous council had
10:42:45 a lot of foresight to try to put this together, and the
10:42:48 savings is nothing in comparison to what we will see in the
10:42:54 next three to five years, if the trim lines continue.
10:42:58 The amount of service that we provide on the front end is
10:43:00 going to help us in the back end, and we are hopefully
10:43:03 seeing more than 1.9%, hopefully see the teens if that's
10:43:12 possible, and I know you are working hard to make that
10:43:14 So we appreciate you and your team and everyone that's
10:43:16 working at HR to try to make this thing work, because I
10:43:19 really see the benefits of this.
10:43:21 We are going to see the benefits of it in the long run.
10:43:23 So thanks again for your help.
10:43:24 >>LISA MONTELIONE: And I want to testify to an almost
10:43:32 personal experience.
10:43:33 I have not been myself, but when you mentioned family
10:43:37 members, my significant other was stung by a wasp the other
10:43:41 day, and his hand blew up like you blow up one of those
10:43:46 little medical gloves and it gets real big.
10:43:48 That's what his hand looked like all the way up to his arm.
10:43:52 And being in a small business, it is important for him to
10:43:55 get well and back to work right away.
10:43:58 And called up, in less than, I think, eight hours he was in
10:44:03 front of the physician, he got treated, he got his
10:44:06 medication, and within a couple of days, the swelling went
10:44:09 down, and he was fine.
10:44:12 But he had a great experience.
10:44:15 I asked him how it was and all these questions like he was
10:44:17 being interrogated, and he said that it was a very good
10:44:22 experience, and he was really thrilled that he didn't have
10:44:25 to pay for any of the medications.
10:44:27 And he didn't have to go anywhere else.
10:44:29 >> That's right.
10:44:30 Even when you go to the doctor outside you get a
10:44:33 prescription, you have to go somewhere else to get it
10:44:36 Again being a small business you don't have time to run all
10:44:39 over town and wait for the prescription to be filled.
10:44:41 Right there and then they hand him his medication, he was on
10:44:44 his way.
10:44:45 >> I'm so pleased that he's all right and that he was able
10:44:48 to use the wellness center with such a good outcome.
10:44:50 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Yes, it was great.
10:44:53 >>HARRY COHEN: Very briefly, I think that aside from the
10:44:58 significance of the cost savings that the city is
10:45:01 experiencing as a result of this program, there's such a
10:45:07 great benefit to people, individuals, having to wellness be
10:45:11 the center of their medical regimen.
10:45:14 The things that you identified in this presentation as being
10:45:18 the conditions that people are presenting with, obesity,
10:45:25 high blood pressure, diabetes, these are the things people
10:45:30 in our society are fighting today, and anything that we can
10:45:32 do to help people be a little healthier is going to really
10:45:37 inure directly to their quality of life.
10:45:39 I know that I struggle with weight and those type of issues.
10:45:42 A lot of us do.
10:45:44 All of us were dedicating a community garden and the idea of
10:45:51 that is to encourage people to eat more vegetables and do
10:45:54 things to be more healthy.
10:45:55 A lot of the transportation initiatives that we are looking
10:45:57 at involve bike paths and things that will get people out
10:46:01 and make them more physically active.
10:46:05 This is just another component piece in doing, I think, good
10:46:08 things to help people take control of their health, and, you
10:46:12 know, maybe see some improvement in their own personal life.
10:46:16 And I think it's a great added benefit, aside from the cost
10:46:20 savings, that the city experiences.
10:46:21 >>MARY MULHERN: I just want ton thank you for all the hard
10:46:29 work you did.
10:46:30 And we were sceptics at first when this came up.
10:46:37 Although I do want to give credit to Chairman Miranda,
10:46:41 because he's been -- he's been talking about this his whole
10:46:46 last term and remaining us that now this is cutting edge,
10:46:50 and that's so great, too, that Tampa did something cutting
10:46:54 edge, but also it's something that we have a history of with
10:46:58 our social clubs and our only hesitation when you first
10:47:05 brought it up is we wanted it to be local.
10:47:07 And so that was the only question we had.
10:47:11 So, of course, local doctors and physicians assistants.
10:47:19 That's great.
10:47:19 We have to keep our eye on that.
10:47:21 Thanks for the good news.
10:47:22 And I just have to say to Councilman Cohen, those are the
10:47:28 things that we as City Council can help with the prevention
10:47:35 starts with the quality of life that we have, and if we have
10:47:37 safe places to walk and ride and places to go, and if we can
10:47:43 reduce our carbon output, which I know that Thom Snelling is
10:47:47 going to be working on, we'll have healthier people, too.
10:47:50 So it all goes together and contributes to our economic
10:47:56 development because if we have a healthy environment for
10:47:58 people to live in, they are going to want to move here and
10:48:00 bring their business here.
10:48:02 So thank you.
10:48:21 Item number 48.
10:48:22 Mr. Snelling?
10:48:25 >>THOM SNELLING: Growth management.
10:48:27 As you probably remember, the City of Tampa is the
10:48:31 administrator of the grant for the four county area which
10:48:37 includes Hillsborough, Pasco, Pinellas and Hernando county.
10:48:44 Each jurisdiction is a lot add total of $3.8 million based
10:48:49 on their rate of HIV and aids incidence.
10:48:55 Pinellas County has approximately 35% of an incident rate
10:48:58 for HIV aids, and which made them eligible for about
10:49:03 $1.3 million.
10:49:11 The Boley Center was awarded 1,019,279 that was reviewed by
10:49:21 the overall consortium including city staff as well as
10:49:24 external participants in that evaluation process as well.
10:49:28 The Boley Center provides direct assistance for rental
10:49:31 assistance as well as services for the people who are
10:49:36 residents in those units.
10:49:40 And it's based on low-income and the criteria for people to
10:49:44 be eligible to participate in that.
10:49:47 You also recall that the center was included in the action
10:49:50 plan that you adopted August 8th, I believe it was, the
10:49:54 Boley Center, a few eight weeks back, all of the agencies
10:50:01 that received money.
10:50:03 By consent agenda you approved all those other agencies.
10:50:07 This stood out because we were receiving such a large amount
10:50:10 of money, over $1 million.
10:50:12 I will have more information on that.
10:50:15 But it's really going towards the same effort.
10:50:18 There's no duplication of services, because as I say, this
10:50:22 is in Pinellas County.
10:50:24 The rest of these programs are scattered around
10:50:26 Hillsborough, Pinellas, Hillsborough, Pasco.
10:50:28 So if you have any questions?
10:50:32 >> I move item number 48.
10:50:42 >> Second.
10:50:43 >>MARY MULHERN: Motion made by Councilman Suarez, seconded
10:50:46 by Councilman Reddick.
10:50:48 All in favor?
10:50:49 Anyone opposed?
10:51:02 >>THOM SNELLING: It's been awhile since I come back to
10:51:04 council, I trust you all received the inventory that I sent
10:51:09 you the other day.
10:51:11 And I will be asking to schedule a workshop on that to come
10:51:13 back and make a formal presentation and really go down to
10:51:17 some of the details.
10:51:19 I bring that up because you referenced that.
10:51:21 >>MARY MULHERN: Actually, this is our time to ask for any
10:51:26 public comment.
10:51:33 >>THOM SNELLING: Oh. Well, this is public comment.
10:51:35 [ Laughter ]
10:51:35 I hadn't even looked at a date. I'll try to identify a
10:51:37 couple of dates that council can look at and then come back
10:51:39 and ask you.
10:51:40 >>LISA MONTELIONE: A workshop that I am working on that I
10:51:43 want to talk to Thom about, maybe we can incorporate that.
10:51:47 >>THOM SNELLING: That would be fine.
10:51:48 Whatever works out best for council.
10:51:49 >>MARY MULHERN: Thank you.
10:51:54 So do we have any new business?
10:51:56 I'll start with Councilwoman Montelione.
10:51:58 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Do we have to receive and file some --
10:52:14 motion to receive and file.
10:52:15 >> All in favor?
10:52:18 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I'm sorry to interrupt, but that also
10:52:20 includes the items from the workshop that are listed
10:52:22 under --
10:52:23 >>LISA MONTELIONE: That's way was looking at, yes.
10:52:26 Under the items that we received under my workshop that was
10:52:29 held last -- what was that on?
10:52:34 August 4th?
10:52:36 August 4th.
10:52:37 Thank you.
10:52:37 >>MARY MULHERN: Any other new business?
10:52:44 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I want to remind all council members
10:52:46 that we have the land development workshop at 1:30 this
10:52:51 I realize Councilwoman Capin not being here, I don't know
10:52:56 that she's going to make it this afternoon.
10:52:58 So we might not have a quorum, which worries me just a
10:53:01 little bit because what we have been doing is at each
10:53:05 workshop, we have been taking a vote to be hold another
10:53:10 session in order to receive updates on the economic
10:53:14 competitiveness committee, discuss items that are of
10:53:19 importance with zoning, somewhat to discuss items that come
10:53:25 before us on council.
10:53:26 And in order to move processes along and not have our
10:53:32 applicants pay their consultants a lot of money to sit in
10:53:37 the audience while we take time to discuss particular issues
10:53:41 of zoning regulations.
10:53:44 I do know that a couple of members of the economic
10:53:47 competitiveness committee asked when the next meeting was,
10:53:49 and I told them it was this afternoon.
10:53:51 I'm not sure if they will be coming or not.
10:53:54 I didn't ask them to RSVP or to confirm their attendance,
10:53:59 but they did express an interest to come and speaking to us
10:54:02 during the workshop.
10:54:04 And I believe that there are a couple of citizens who
10:54:06 also -- we had a citizen attend last workshop, and there are
10:54:11 citizens that do want to speak to us this afternoon.
10:54:13 So it is my concern that we continue to have these workshops
10:54:20 as we move along.
10:54:21 We are going to have the Seminole Heights form-based code
10:54:26 zoning regulations come before us, as well as the economic
10:54:30 competitiveness committee issues.
10:54:32 And I do want to say one more thing, is that at the last
10:54:35 committee meeting, the mayor was present.
10:54:41 At the meeting before that he was not present.
10:54:43 And at the meeting before that, it was decided as a
10:54:47 committee that rather than waiting the six months that the
10:54:51 mayor had initially set out, that we would hold these
10:54:55 meetings, these committee meetings, in six months, bring
10:54:57 back recommendations to the mayor, for him to discuss and
10:55:03 act on them, bring them to council, and that we would act on
10:55:06 them as well.
10:55:07 What the committee decided was that it would be better and
10:55:12 would move the process along is as things came up, and they
10:55:19 were ready to be brought to council, that we would not wait
10:55:22 the six months, they would be brought to council as items
10:55:26 were addressed.
10:55:27 So there are some things that we can do as a council in the
10:55:30 interim before the bigger issues are taken up, and this will
10:55:37 be a fluid process rather than a formal wait the six months,
10:55:44 come back, do a report and then act on items.
10:55:46 So it's very important that we continue these workshops so
10:55:50 that we keep pace with what's going on.
10:55:52 >>FRANK REDDICK: There's a possibility I will not be there
10:55:58 this afternoon.
10:55:58 >>MIKE SUAREZ: And I won't be able to make it,
10:56:05 unfortunately, and this is something that came up yesterday.
10:56:07 And I apologize that I won't be able to be there.
10:56:10 >>MARY MULHERN: This is a good time to deal with this since
10:56:26 your workshop is at 1:30.
10:56:30 You are doing a fantastic job with your committee, building
10:56:37 and zoning.
10:56:39 You are the committee chair for building --
10:56:42 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Oh, that?
10:56:44 >>MARY MULHERN: So these are your issues.
10:56:46 I just want to compliment you on how hard you are working on
10:56:50 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Thank you.
10:56:51 >>MARY MULHERN: And
10:56:58 All these parks meetings.
10:57:03 >> It's transformative.
10:57:07 >>MARY MULHERN: What I do want to say, we have had, in my
10:57:11 experience, when you are working on something that is your
10:57:16 area of interest and legislative what you want to push, I'm
10:57:25 not sure you are going to be able to have full council
10:57:27 attendance at workshop meetings.
10:57:30 And we did run into this with our last council, and I'm sure
10:57:37 council before that, where it was hard to deal with.
10:57:41 And we also had a long discussion, I believe, because former
10:57:45 Chairman Scott having come from the county where their
10:57:49 workshops were -- but we kind of moved in the direction of
10:57:54 the last council.
10:57:56 This is background.
10:57:59 That a workshop was not the place to take action.
10:58:05 And the workshop, you know, is very much what you are doing,
10:58:08 but because it was a workshop specifically, it was for
10:58:12 information gathering, sharing, not for action.
10:58:16 So I think it sounds like you want to continue to do this.
10:58:21 But I think you need to -- be realistic about whether you
10:58:25 are going to get full attendance from -- to be able to get
10:58:30 So the other option is to call it a special discussion
10:58:35 meeting, which is what we did the last time, and we have
10:58:41 very interested and cooperative staff, especially on this
10:58:44 issue, that you share with the mayor, so it might be in the
10:58:49 future better to call it a special discussion meeting.
10:58:52 >>LISA MONTELIONE: My feel, Madam Chair, is special
10:58:55 discussion meetings compel council members to be there.
10:58:59 The issues of the changes to our zoning regulations are
10:59:06 This isn't my issue.
10:59:07 This is the city's issue.
10:59:09 It's not the mayor's I shall you have.
10:59:10 It's the city's issue.
10:59:12 And if we want to be competitive economically -- and not
10:59:16 just looking at the accommodation of the business community
10:59:21 and the construction industry and the "open for business"
10:59:27 environment that we want to project, every time I read about
10:59:32 other cities taking steps, even the county took more steps
10:59:36 to change their regulations for economic incentives just the
10:59:42 other day, just last week.
10:59:44 So it goes beyond that.
10:59:47 When we talked about today with the overlay district and
10:59:50 Westshore, we talk about the environment of pedestrian
10:59:56 friendly cities and having, you know, being number two in
10:59:59 pedestrian deaths in the United States, number two in the
11:00:05 United States, not in Florida.
11:00:08 Issues of zoning and development are key to our city being
11:00:15 someplace people want to live and want to remain.
11:00:18 So this isn't a building issue.
11:00:21 This isn't a committee issue for building zoning and
11:00:25 This is a city issue.
11:00:26 How do we want our city to look?
11:00:28 What do we want our environment to reflect?
11:00:32 And how are we going to understand what it takes to get
11:00:37 And the economic competitive economy that is convened for
11:00:41 six months, we are already a few months in, so this is just
11:00:46 a few more months of getting familiar with what regulations
11:00:50 will be coming before us.
11:00:53 And if I have to beg council members, that this is
11:00:58 something -- it won't last forever.
11:01:00 These aren't going to be workshops that are going to be
11:01:02 every, you know, week or every other week or every month
11:01:06 north next four years.
11:01:07 This is for the next couple of months until we get through
11:01:10 the issues that are going to be transformative to our city.
11:01:14 >>HARRY COHEN: I'll be there.
11:01:32 It doesn't sound like there's going to be a quorum.
11:01:35 But it's 1:30.
11:01:39 >> And Councilwoman, I want to apologize.
11:01:43 Obviously I was at the last meeting, and not only did I find
11:01:46 it informative and compelling, I thought that it was very
11:01:50 I really enjoyed it.
11:01:53 Anytime we can get Land Development Code that's enjoyable --
11:01:58 and I apologize that something has come up that I cannot
11:02:01 avoid and could not make.
11:02:02 So, again, I want to apologize.
11:02:04 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Apology accepted.
11:02:07 >>MARY MULHERN: I think that you have the opportunity, if
11:02:13 you want to have put something on the agenda to be do that
11:02:19 I don't think you can have a quorum.
11:02:24 You have got four people missing.
11:02:26 So you could do that or you -- Councilwoman Montelione, the
11:02:34 other thing I was going to suggest, is come back next week
11:02:39 and schedule it at the next meeting, whichever.
11:02:41 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I'm sorry, microphone.
11:02:44 Councilman Cohen and I hopefully will still be there if
11:02:48 there are citizens who expected us to be there at 1:30 to
11:02:51 hear them.
11:02:52 So we'll have to change to a special discussion meeting.
11:02:58 There are citizens on their way downtown.
11:03:00 If you are listening and watching, maybe call my office so
11:03:04 that I can talk to you about whether or not it's worth your
11:03:08 while to make the trip down here.
11:03:13 And then if we can get a motion now to schedule the next
11:03:16 workshop, because the something that we need to keep up on
11:03:19 as issues move through this, the economic competitiveness
11:03:23 committee, and we need to hear preliminary information
11:03:31 that's needed in order to be well informed when we sit here
11:03:35 and take action.
11:03:35 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Do we need to make a motion to change it
11:03:42 from a workshop to a special discussion?
11:03:44 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Motion to change this afternoon's
11:03:46 workshop on land development to --
11:03:49 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I'll second it since I screwed up your
11:03:52 I apologize again.
11:03:53 >>LISA MONTELIONE: You're not alone in that.
11:03:55 >>MARY MULHERN: I'm sorry.
11:04:00 So motion made by Councilman Suarez, seconded by
11:04:02 Councilwoman Montelione to change the title of the meeting
11:04:06 to special discussion today at 1:30.
11:04:13 All in favor?
11:04:15 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Question, if I can, council.
11:04:20 Do you still intend to have staff present, or just to take
11:04:24 comment from the people who do show up?
11:04:26 What is your intent at 1:30?
11:04:28 >>LISA MONTELIONE: We can take comment from individuals who
11:04:33 do show up, because briefing two council members by staff
11:04:41 probably isn't a good use of their time.
11:04:44 >>MARTIN SHELBY: So you suggest to not have the staff
11:04:46 Or could you put them on notice now they don't have to come
11:04:49 at 1:30?
11:04:50 >>LISA MONTELIONE: That's correct, Mr. Shelby.
11:04:52 Thank you for bringing that up.
11:04:57 So looking at the calendar --
11:05:02 >>MARY MULHERN: Can I just say this?
11:05:04 Because this process that's going on now the workshop idea
11:05:17 and the special discuss idea, when we have special
11:05:19 discussion meetings before the staff would come.
11:05:23 Even if there wasn't a quorum.
11:05:25 That's why we did it.
11:05:26 Because that's why we called it a special discussion,
11:05:29 because --
11:05:32 >> Only come to address Councilman Cohen and myself and that
11:05:35 doesn't seem like a good use of their time.
11:05:37 >>MARY MULHERN: Well, they are going to have to address --
11:05:50 you want to move forward with legislative matters that are
11:05:52 going to have to come to council, and staff is going to have
11:05:57 to work with all of us on this.
11:05:59 So I personally don't think it's a waste of their time to
11:06:02 talk to two people.
11:06:06 They are going to be talking to be each of us at once in the
11:06:11 future and hopefully the more --
11:06:16 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Let me put it this way.
11:06:17 Since I am already familiar with what staff is going to
11:06:20 brief, they are going to brief Councilman Cohen on those
11:06:22 things, and that again doesn't seem like a good use of their
11:06:25 time to brief one council member because I am already
11:06:28 familiar with the issues.
11:06:29 >>MARY MULHERN: This is what I am trying to explain to you.
11:06:37 Staff wasn't working very closely with you, with council.
11:06:39 This is a new staff, a new mayor, and they are able to do
11:06:44 that more.
11:06:45 I just don't want a continuation of the perception that
11:06:54 working with council is not a waste of staff's time.
11:07:01 It's their job.
11:07:04 Well, I want council to hear this, because we worked -- the
11:07:10 last council worked under this, some constraints of our
11:07:15 interacts was staff.
11:07:17 And I think we don't necessarily have to continue with that.
11:07:25 >>LISA MONTELIONE: No, staff has been wonderful.
11:07:28 They have been working very closely with us.
11:07:30 They have been available for questions.
11:07:36 The mayor has been very open about individual staff
11:07:38 meetings, meeting with -- individual staff members meeting
11:07:43 with individual council, and it's been a lovely experience
11:07:46 that I thanked the mayor for continuing that policy of an
11:07:52 open door between council and staff.
11:08:01 I don't know.
11:08:05 If bringing council forward for Councilman Cohen to be
11:08:11 briefed on issues and having the clerk having to, you know,
11:08:15 the clerk is not going to be there, of course there aren't
11:08:18 going to be any minutes.
11:08:19 >>THE CLERK: We will set up the recorder and it will be --
11:08:24 >>LISA MONTELIONE: But there won't be minutes distributed.
11:08:26 >> That would be up to you.
11:08:33 >>MARY MULHERN: I will attend the meeting so you will have
11:08:35 be three council people.
11:08:37 If that makes any difference.
11:08:41 Mr. Shelby, what is your advice on this?
11:08:44 My reason for not always attending these meetings was when
11:08:48 it started out, my perception was this was kind of the
11:08:52 introduction, orientation, and for me to be there wasn't the
11:09:03 best use of my time.
11:09:04 But I will attend today.
11:09:05 >>LISA MONTELIONE: And the other day you came when
11:09:10 Councilwoman Capin, remember, came, so I appreciate your
11:09:15 coming down and trying to, you know, help this move forward.
11:09:19 I really do.
11:09:20 Thank you.
11:09:20 >>MARTIN SHELBY: And staff will be there and the clerk will
11:09:28 still be able to set up a recorder to be able to Mike it a
11:09:30 special discussion meeting.
11:09:31 Thank you.
11:09:32 And my suggestion is now moot.
11:09:34 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Thank you.
11:09:38 >>MARY MULHERN: Okay.
11:09:40 Anything else?
11:09:42 So 1:30 in the Mascotte room.
11:09:47 Councilman Cohen.
11:09:48 >>HARRY COHEN: Earlier in today's meeting when we were
11:09:51 discussing the Westshore overlay, Mr. Shimberg made a
11:09:54 suggestion that we ask legal to come back with some -- after
11:10:01 some review and some suggestions regarding changes that
11:10:05 could be made to chapter 5, specifically chapter 5-105.8,
11:10:16 and chapter 5, 116-point is, numbering of buildings.
11:10:20 The idea would be that they could address some of the
11:10:22 concerns that were raised by Ms. Vizzi, and the neighborhood
11:10:26 associations, but we would do so comprehensively on a
11:10:30 city-wide basis.
11:10:31 I would like to make a motion to ask legal to look at that
11:10:34 and to come back to us with a report at 10:00 a.m. on
11:10:39 October 6th.
11:10:40 >> Second.
11:10:45 >>CHAIRMAN: All in favor?
11:10:46 >>FRANK REDDICK: Thank you, Madam Chair.
11:10:53 Two items.
11:10:54 One, at our CRA meeting on September 8th, I would like
11:11:02 Vince Pardo to come and explain to us the status of the
11:11:07 program in Ybor City.
11:11:10 I received son complaints than some employees might be laid
11:11:14 off as of October 8th.
11:11:15 And I would like for him to clear that up and make sure this
11:11:18 is not the case.
11:11:19 >>HARRY COHEN: Second.
11:11:21 >>MARY MULHERN: All in favor?
11:11:25 >>FRANK REDDICK: And -- I didn't say Aye.
11:11:28 [ Laughter ]
11:11:34 The second thing is, I would like for someone from the
11:11:42 economic department to come with a recommendation at a
11:11:47 special called meeting we have on this to see how we can
11:11:52 implement a policy similar to what the county does with the
11:12:01 incentive program, QIT program, so that we can expedite this
11:12:08 and give us some recommendations.
11:12:10 >> Second.
11:12:11 >> I'm not sure what it is.
11:12:20 Changing the process of presenting the QTI?
11:12:23 >> Well, to make it more friendly to expedite.
11:12:29 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Adding incentives to the package.
11:12:33 What they did if I recall correctly is they lowered the
11:12:36 amount of the salary requirements, instead of being 150% of
11:12:44 median to 125.
11:12:49 It's like $49,000 and change.
11:12:52 Also change the area in which they considered the amount of
11:12:57 the salary to not just being Hillsborough County, but the
11:13:02 Tampa Bay region which would include Clearwater and
11:13:07 St. Petersburg.
11:13:09 They also made a change to the amount of money that would be
11:13:13 received, businesses locating within Hillsborough County
11:13:17 would get an additional, I think it was, $300, if they were
11:13:25 included in Tampa, Plant City or Temple Terrace, it would be
11:13:28 $150 from the county and it would be up to the individual to
11:13:32 match that in another 150.
11:13:35 And --
11:13:39 >> Also reduce the amount of time to be presented.
11:13:42 >> Right, right.
11:13:43 Instead of taking three county commission meetings in order
11:13:48 for approval of the QTI's application, it would only take
11:13:52 So thereby were several provisions of the process that they
11:13:57 changed, and quite measure lily when you talk -- measurably,
11:14:04 and they lowered something else, too, besides salary
11:14:06 I don't recall what it was.
11:14:08 >>FRANK REDDICK: And to ask staff to look at the policy and
11:14:13 if they can implement a recommendation to us to look at.
11:14:15 >> Okay.
11:14:16 >>MARY MULHERN: I would like to maybe have a larger
11:14:24 discussion about the process after the problems we faced
11:14:31 recently, and so I think -- that's fine.
11:14:49 I think it would be better -- next week we have your CRA
11:14:57 We have workshop.
11:15:01 I think maybe if we could do it at our next regular meeting.
11:15:05 >> September 22nd.
11:15:06 >> Then I'll change that and request it for September 22nd.
11:15:14 >> Seconded by Mrs. Montelione.
11:15:16 All in favor?
11:15:17 Anyone opposed?
11:15:19 >> I have a couple of new business items.
11:15:23 First I would like to amend a motion I made on the
11:15:26 commendation last week to the Mayor's Hispanic heritage
11:15:29 committee to state that I will be presenting the
11:15:31 commendation at the event as opposed to them coming into
11:15:34 And I would also like to move to present a commendation to
11:15:38 the Egypt Shriners Legion of Honor during their National
11:15:42 POW/MIA on September 16th.
11:15:45 >> Let's vote on your first motion.
11:15:48 >> All right, sorry.
11:15:50 >>MARY MULHERN: All in favor?
11:15:55 >> And my second motion.
11:15:58 >>MARY MULHERN: All in favor?
11:15:59 And we have the date for that one?
11:16:01 >> For the second one?
11:16:04 Thank you.
11:16:04 >>MARY MULHERN: Thank you.
11:16:07 I have one piece of new business relating to QTI.
11:16:14 I would like to pass the gavel to Councilman Cohen.
11:16:30 Michael Hatchett asked that we place a request for a QTI on
11:16:41 the September 8th, 9 a.m. council special called special
11:16:47 It's interesting because they are asking to do this because
11:16:52 of this new speeded-up process which, from what I can tell,
11:16:56 is a result of our governor putting more money in the quick
11:17:04 closing incentives program of the state, which has been
11:17:07 pushing the county and the economic development council to
11:17:12 be asking us to do this more quickly, which I think is a
11:17:17 discussion we need to have before we agree to this in light
11:17:21 of recent -- what happened recently.
11:17:25 But we did get more than one week's notice for this request.
11:17:32 So if council would support that, I would move that we put
11:17:37 that on the September 8th agenda, special called meeting
11:17:43 at 9 a.m.
11:17:47 >>HARRY COHEN: Motion made by Councilwoman Mulhern,
11:17:50 seconded by Councilman Reddick.
11:17:52 All those in favor?
11:17:54 >>LISA MONTELIONE: If I may.
11:18:02 Regarding the speeded up process.
11:18:04 And we talked a little about when Mr. McDonaugh was here
11:18:10 last time about having these items come up.
11:18:13 And he's put in a spot where he can't make any guarantees to
11:18:19 companies that, you know, that he can get this before
11:18:22 council for three weeks or a month, depending on the
11:18:26 negotiations of when they are talking, and what our
11:18:28 schedules are, when our regular meetings are scheduled.
11:18:31 So having a special called meeting, when we have council
11:18:38 meetings or CRA meetings or we are hear for on the reasons,
11:18:40 and I think it's important that we send the message of
11:18:45 reassurance that we will meet when there is a time
11:18:49 constraint, and we need to respond to a company because, you
11:18:55 know, the world moves very fast, and a lot of companies
11:18:58 are -- their finance companies won't back them if they don't
11:19:04 have assurances from us as a city, that we are behind them.
11:19:09 >>HARRY COHEN: I agree.
11:19:13 >>MARY MULHERN: Anyone from the public who wishes to speak?
11:19:20 >> Are we done then?
11:19:48 (Meeting adjourned)
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