TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
Thursday, April 12, 2012
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05:05:05 [Roll call]
05:08:41 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Mr. Reddick, for the record, did advise
05:08:44 the chair at the CRA meeting that he would not be back due
05:08:47 to illness.
05:08:50 We have public hearings, 1 through 4, starting now.
05:08:55 And these are non-quasi-judicial proceedings.
05:09:01 Item number 1.
05:09:07 >>THOM SNELLING: Could we have the presentation, please?
05:09:15 Thom Snelling beings planning development director.
05:09:17 I'm here this evening for a presentation on the kind of
05:09:20 briefing you on what's going on with the five-year
05:09:23 consolidated action plan.
05:09:24 With me this evening, I have our consultant that we hired,
05:09:29 she's going to be here to make sure I don't say anything
05:09:32 Also I have Michelle from my staff as well as Jennifer and
05:09:37 Kevin so we will be able to answer questions.
05:09:46 Basically this is to bring you up to speed on where we have
05:09:48 been and talk about some of the time lines, funding balances
05:09:51 and some of the other items coming before you over the next
05:09:54 several months.
05:10:00 What we really want to talk about is the consolidated action
05:10:03 plan which covers these grants here, the community
05:10:07 development block grant, emergency solutions, home, and
05:10:16 Also go over and discuss the overall consolidated planning
05:10:20 process as well as explain how the one-year action plan
05:10:25 actually fits into that five-year process.
05:10:27 Talk about the needs and priorities of the citizens, as well
05:10:30 as the requests for proposal process.
05:10:34 We are also including some conversation on what eligible
05:10:38 activities are, been the source of some confusion.
05:10:44 Briefly go over the overall calendar to give you some idea
05:10:49 what you can expect coming down the woman, then at the end
05:10:51 provide -- open the public hearing.
05:10:53 The public hearing is open, at the end will provide any
05:10:56 citizens that want to offer some input or conversations to
05:11:03 Currently, in the fiscal year 12, the money we have, we are
05:11:07 working through those dollars right now, you can see the
05:11:11 community development block grant is roughly $3.3 million in
05:11:16 our program.
05:11:18 Home is approximately 1.9.
05:11:20 The HOPWA is the largest at 3.5 million, and then the
05:11:28 emergency shelter grants previously known as the
05:11:30 emergency -- yes, now they are the emergency solutions
05:11:35 It's backwards, yes.
05:11:37 In HOPWA, one of the reasons that particular program is so
05:11:43 important is that the City of Tampa represents the
05:11:45 administrator for that program for the four-county area,
05:11:50 including Hillsborough, Hernando, Pasco, and Pinellas
05:11:54 And unfortunately the reason we did that is because we have
05:11:57 the highest incidence of aids-related illnesses so we get
05:12:06 the prize of administering that, something I would rather
05:12:08 not do, but it is nonetheless a sad fact.
05:12:15 Just to such on some differences because I know there's been
05:12:17 a great deal of conversation on the funding decreases over
05:12:20 the recent years from 2012 to 2013, and as you can see, the
05:12:29 grant money has been decreased 673,000, 19% home took the
05:12:34 biggest hit, or we took the biggest hit from our home
05:12:37 dollars which is actually housing dollars, 700,000 HOPWA
05:12:42 took a fairly substantial decrease at $358,000.
05:12:47 The one also bright spot is we did get a small increase in
05:12:50 our emergency shelter grant dollars, and that was actually
05:12:53 an increase of 14%, but overall when you calculate all of
05:12:57 those together, it still results in a decrease of
05:13:00 approximately 18.6% of funding, and that will have to be
05:13:04 reflected on the staff and/or program realities.
05:13:13 Okay, to get started, the five year planning process, which
05:13:16 is what we are doing right now is kind of the beginning of
05:13:23 It basically tells you how you put together your plan and
05:13:26 how you want to expend your dollars over the next five
05:13:29 It's really your comprehensive plan for this program for
05:13:31 these programs, and you really focus in on goals, objectives
05:13:35 and policies.
05:13:36 Downtown really get into drilling it down in terms of we are
05:13:39 going to fund that person, we are going to fund that agency
05:13:41 and we are going to do these projects.
05:13:43 That is where your action plan comes in, where you really
05:13:47 drill into the nitty gritty.
05:13:50 The five year plan we are putting together that homes is
05:13:53 putting -- helping us put together is kind of the
05:13:56 overarching plan that sets the course of direction of the
05:13:59 kinds of things that you want to do. The data that comes
05:14:02 from, how those priorities orthos objectives and priorities
05:14:06 get set, comes from a long list of various priorities.
05:14:10 The census data, which is your standard age, gender, race,
05:14:15 sex, average income, things like that, your standard census,
05:14:20 a needs assessment that is put out vis-a-vis surveys.
05:14:25 The housing conditions, again that comes from some of the
05:14:27 census data.
05:14:31 The patient plan which we are going to talk about in a
05:14:33 little bit.
05:14:34 And I believe a new requirement this year is that it's
05:14:38 called the limited English proficiency plan is to make sure
05:14:42 that you are putting out the document, and the other
05:14:47 language in our case would be Hispanic -- it would be
05:14:51 Spanish, with all due respect to my -- okay.
05:15:01 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Spanglish would be a better word.
05:15:02 >> I had that written down, but that's what it is.
05:15:10 Limited English proficiency plan which I apparently have
05:15:14 some English pro fish sis.
05:15:16 The needs assessment as I mentioned, one of the things that
05:15:19 they have done, my community staff has been very busy out
05:15:24 into the neighborhoods already.
05:15:25 You can see they administered the survey, handed the surveys
05:15:30 out, and they also attended community meetings with these
05:15:32 agencies, the homeless coalition was the one agency they
05:15:36 went to, but they actually visited the Drew Park
05:15:39 neighborhood, Old West Tampa, East Tampa CRA Neighborhoods,
05:15:45 Gandy, Sun Bay South, Tampa Heights, Sulphur Springs, and
05:15:49 really tried to get out into the neighborhoods more.
05:15:51 They did a priority survey for the HOPWA and currently being
05:15:57 funded and they responded back, and we have that data that
05:15:59 will become part of the plan itself.
05:16:01 What I do want to touch on very quickly -- ma'am?
05:16:08 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Thanks. Are these needs assessment
05:16:12 bills going on, have they concluded, or where are we in the
05:16:19 >> Well, we have done -- hi.
05:16:21 For the record my name is Lee Combs.
05:16:23 I'm a consultant for the City of Tampa.
05:16:26 What we have done in the month of March, we sent a citizens
05:16:33 survey, five pages long, which mirrors the HUD required
05:16:36 document, what's needed, and we also sent out the link
05:16:40 online survey, and that, we go through one, the planned
05:16:49 However, we are going to be receiving up to draft plan would
05:16:54 be done.
05:16:54 We still -- any more input from City Council or citizens,
05:17:04 We welcome the comments and all of that.
05:17:06 >> The reason why I'm asking this question is because the
05:17:12 North Tampa Community Plan consists of three distinct
05:17:17 neighborhoods, Copeland Park, Terrace Park, and University
05:17:22 Square, and they are somewhat removed from -- the closest
05:17:28 neighborhood two Sulphur Springs neighborhood, but they are
05:17:31 somewhat removed from any of the ones that are on this list,
05:17:34 and there are a lost residents meeting at one time in one
05:17:41 Tonight from six to eight is one of the meetings.
05:17:43 And the first meeting was last month.
05:17:46 But they will be meeting many more times during the planning
05:17:51 But I really would like to have -- since you have a captive
05:17:55 audience, there may be an opportunity for to you get with
05:17:58 the Planning Commission and make a presentation to that
05:18:02 We have 80-some-odd people at the first meeting.
05:18:06 >> Certainly we can do.
05:18:07 That we can schedule it in.
05:18:10 And I'm still learning about the Tampa area, north Tampa --
05:18:16 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Yeah, well, the study area goes from
05:18:21 Temple Terrace city line to 275, between Busch and Fowler.
05:18:25 So that would capture all of those neighborhoods in between
05:18:28 those boundaries.
05:18:29 >> Also, for your information, we had a list of all the
05:18:34 neighborhood associations contact numbers, and they were all
05:18:39 sent during the month of the survey, forms were all sent to
05:18:44 the president or the director for the neighborhood
05:18:49 I just want to tell you we had every single neighborhood
05:18:53 association that registered with the City of Tampa.
05:18:57 >>THOM SNELLING: Very quickly, when I get toward the end, I
05:18:59 kind of show the overall calendar, and there are gaps in the
05:19:04 calendar where there will be opportunity for additional
05:19:06 kinds of things, and it's exactly this kind of thing where,
05:19:09 you know, cost with council members on one-on-one kind of
05:19:14 things or continue that kind of outreach, so there is
05:19:17 opportunity to do that, yes.
05:19:24 The one thing I did want to note, in terms of the survey,
05:19:31 Hillsborough County, when they did their survey and they did
05:19:33 their plan awhile back, they sent out a thousand surveys,
05:19:39 their population compared to the City of Tampa is probably
05:19:42 triple, 1.7 million or something like that.
05:19:45 City of Tampa's is 358,000 roughly.
05:19:49 They received back about 300 surveys and we received back
05:19:54 So our percentages of what we got back the from what we have
05:19:57 done is higher.
05:19:58 I know that seems like a lower number, but in terms of this
05:20:01 kind of activity, it's pretty good.
05:20:05 And we'll continue to do the additional outreach, and we
05:20:07 have gone to the neighborhoods.
05:20:09 So we still have two, three months ahead of us where we can
05:20:14 continue to do outreach and continue to get input from
05:20:18 individuals and groups.
05:20:27 Okay, the next one.
05:20:28 Very quickly, and we had talked about it's important for
05:20:32 eligible activities, the first part of that is that it meets
05:20:36 the national objective and it needs to meet one of the -- at
05:20:41 least these three primary objectives.
05:20:43 The first one primarily benefiting low and moderate income
05:20:47 person, the second really preventing or eliminating slums
05:20:51 and blighted areas, and the third is to meet an urgent
05:20:54 community need.
05:20:55 And what that translates into, the third one we don't do so
05:20:58 much, because as you can see, fortunately, we haven't been
05:21:01 the victim of too many natural disasters orthos kinds of
05:21:05 highly charged emergencies, but that is there for that
05:21:12 Most of the activities and programs and agencies we work
05:21:17 with really live in the world of the first two national
05:21:21 objectives, and that's the first level of criteria that Lou
05:21:25 at to see whether or not an agency or a group is going to be
05:21:29 eligible for some funding for these programs.
05:21:34 The eligible activities first for the community development
05:21:37 block grant, you can see is quite large.
05:21:40 The block grant perhaps has the broadest range of ability to
05:21:44 be used for a variety of programs.
05:21:47 County be used, acquisition or disposition of real estate,
05:21:51 bricks and mortar, public facilities, infrastructure,
05:21:56 rehabilitation and rehab.
05:21:58 Also certain service programs as well.
05:22:00 And on the bottom, you can't really see it because it's
05:22:03 scrolling, it does say special economic development.
05:22:08 I know this council has an interest in economic development.
05:22:10 The block grant dollars is where that kind of thing comes
05:22:20 >>MIKE SUAREZ: When you say special economic development,
05:22:22 what's the criteria for special?
05:22:26 What is that or do you know?
05:22:28 >> Do you want to handle that?
05:22:30 >> Lee: Well, the community development block grant allows
05:22:34 you to have full profit or nonprofit businesses, and instead
05:22:38 of drilling down to nitty gritty, basically jobs created
05:22:45 have been below markup, and there is a dollar threshold, if
05:22:49 you spend $35,000, you create one job, that kind of thing,
05:22:54 or aggregate.
05:22:55 You can do job training.
05:22:57 You can do facade improvement.
05:22:58 Or you can have a warehouse building, if somebody wants to
05:23:03 come in. I'm just giving you general ideas.
05:23:05 >>MIKE SUAREZ, no but excuse me for interrupting, but these
05:23:10 are things in the criteria for the community block grant?
05:23:12 Or does it allow for any other creativity outside of those
05:23:16 things you mentioned?
05:23:18 >> There are about five or six categories that have to fit
05:23:24 into those categories to be able to use block grant dollars.
05:23:27 >> And you mentioned some of them primarily tied to job
05:23:30 >> Yes, or job retention.
05:23:31 >> Or job retention.
05:23:34 >>THOM SNELLING: Two programs that have gone through that
05:23:37 and I just made myself a note to provide council with a
05:23:40 criteria of what that is so that will help clear up that.
05:23:45 Clothing in East Tampa, they got some property, some seed
05:23:48 money from the city a few years back and created a number of
05:23:51 jobs with that.
05:23:53 A lot of assistance from the block grant program.
05:23:55 Also, if you recall the Morgan cigar factory on Howard that
05:23:59 received some community development block grant money and
05:24:01 they created a great number of jobs.
05:24:03 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I guess when you say receive it, they got
05:24:06 direct benefit in money towards that particular business in
05:24:10 order for job creation?
05:24:12 So you would have to, as she mentioned, $35,000 job is
05:24:18 created, that's an expense that comes out of the community
05:24:22 block grant, that amount?
05:24:26 It's not paying for the job obviously.
05:24:28 What is that the it actually goes towards?
05:24:30 >> In the case -- they did have that requirement for the job
05:24:34 creation, for exactly that, and that responsibility, or he
05:24:39 got it for all the bricks and mortar were rehabbing the
05:24:42 building, getting it ready to accept an office use or the
05:24:46 type of use that it was.
05:24:48 When he accepted that, I think his criteria was to create
05:24:52 seven or eight jobs.
05:24:53 He had the document that when he created his project that
05:24:56 that building wag now available, and at least seven people
05:25:00 now have a job working in what he created there based on the
05:25:05 improvement that's made there.
05:25:06 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Right.
05:25:09 That's what I was getting at, meaning that you are not
05:25:12 creating the job primarily because you are fixing a facade.
05:25:15 It's accretion after the amount?
05:25:19 That's what I wanted to get at.
05:25:21 And where the threshold was in terms whereof the block grant
05:25:24 actually -- where the rubber meets the road, so to speak,
05:25:27 which is if we are giving a bid, this money, to facade or
05:25:33 expand bricks and mortar for them to hire seven more people.
05:25:36 That's what I wanted to make sure.
05:25:38 >> Lee: Right.
05:25:42 I can give you the one community south of here, they built a
05:25:48 new reporting facility, but people come in and take over
05:25:56 that facility and they have to show they created 12 jobs,
05:25:59 and that's what you have to show at the end of the day.
05:26:02 >>MIKE SUAREZ: And I guess the second question to all of
05:26:05 that, are there other activities that they can do to show
05:26:07 that they have created jobs short of brick and mortar type
05:26:12 That's the only other question I have.
05:26:17 And we don't have to report the progress now.
05:26:20 You guys can offer off camera at some point.
05:26:23 I would like that answer.
05:26:25 >>THOM SNELLING: Yes, and I will look and drill down if you
05:26:26 want that actual criteria because I think there's some
05:26:29 interest there as well.
05:26:31 >> Training is somebody -- if somebody comes in and they
05:26:34 require more skill than a labor force, you can use the
05:26:37 dollars for job training activity.
05:26:39 >>MIKE SUAREZ: All right.
05:26:42 Well, Thom, if you can get the rest of that criteria and get
05:26:45 to the Americas I would appreciate it.
05:26:47 >>THOM SNELLING: I can do that.
05:26:48 Any other on that?
05:26:52 >> I would mention one item before we go further.
05:26:56 Eligible activity, that these priorities must be identified
05:27:00 in your five year consolidated plan for you to spend the
05:27:06 funds on the type of activities five years from now, it's
05:27:10 very important.
05:27:11 The process as Thom mentioned before, you have to have a
05:27:15 plan, and you have to set the priorities, goals and
05:27:18 objectives and five-year plan, because the one year plan is
05:27:21 how you are going to spend a dollar each year to meet those
05:27:24 goals and objectives that you identified in your five year
05:27:37 >>THOM SNELLING: Thank you.
05:27:37 And this is the eligible activity for the home.
05:27:39 The biggest difference here -- and the fundamental
05:27:42 difference here is this is all housing and housing-related
05:27:45 services, housing-related service agencies, where this
05:27:48 funding is.
05:27:49 Economic development kinds of activities are not eligible
05:27:52 for the home dollars, but acquisition, single-family
05:27:55 housing, multi-down payment assistance, then we have owner
05:27:59 occupied rehab, all of those kinds of things can be done
05:28:02 with the home money.
05:28:03 And then when you look at the eligible activity for the
05:28:08 emergency solutions grant.
05:28:10 Those are exactly that.
05:28:14 When something happens to somebody's house.
05:28:18 House, homeless preventive services, short-term, essential
05:28:23 services, things like that.
05:28:26 The operative word here being it has to be housing related
05:28:29 or housing service provider related to be eligible to be
05:28:32 used for those kinds of things.
05:28:35 CDBG gives you your greatest flexibility.
05:28:39 The other programs are really honing in on home and the
05:28:42 housing-type issues.
05:28:44 The last one again on the bottom -- I will have to remember
05:28:48 the next time I do this slide -- is the HOPWA, specifically
05:28:53 for a very specific housing population, individuals and
05:28:57 families can both be assisted with that.
05:29:00 They have to be income eligible.
05:29:01 And as I said before that is the program, the administrator
05:29:06 for the four-county area.
05:29:10 Okay, the request for proposals process.
05:29:14 Basically, what this is a part -- and we already have this
05:29:19 underway, as a way of background, you know, we put the ad up
05:29:25 and we are soliciting requests for proposals for people who
05:29:28 want -- or ask for dollars in one of our programs.
05:29:32 And one of these four programs that we already discussed,
05:29:35 and they were proposed a project, they will submit a
05:29:38 project, and they will be vetted and they will be vetted by
05:29:42 the review committee, et cetera, and we have already started
05:29:45 that process.
05:29:47 It's already appeared in "The Tampa Tribune," The Times, the
05:29:50 Sentinel, and in Spanish in La Gaceta.
05:29:54 It was mailed out to all of the other parties that had
05:29:57 previously applied.
05:29:58 We also contacted them directly.
05:30:02 And this past week, we had workshops on all four of the
05:30:09 programs, and they were not mandatory workshops, but to the
05:30:16 HOPWA workshop we had over 28 agencies representing -- 20
05:30:21 people representing different agencies, all attend that
05:30:25 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Ms. Montelione wants to ask.
05:30:27 >>LISA MONTELIONE: And I guess it's maybe a little
05:30:31 We started talking about the five year consolidated plan.
05:30:34 Is this -- the date is April, April, April.
05:30:43 So is this all about the five-year plan tore one-year plan?
05:30:51 We are jumping back and forth then?
05:30:54 >>THOM SNELLING: I'm glad you stopped.
05:30:56 Thank you, thank you.
05:30:57 Going back, five year plan, guiding principle, as part of
05:31:01 this first five-year plan, you will also be doing
05:31:07 simultaneously your first year action plan.
05:31:09 And I apologize, I should have made that clarification.
05:31:13 This request for proposal is specifically for the
05:31:17 implementation of some of your one-year plans.
05:31:22 >> I guess some of the confusion that maybe I have is that
05:31:26 if you are working on the five-year plan, and you are
05:31:29 setting out guidelines and priorities for five years, what
05:31:36 guidelines and priorities are being used for the first year?
05:31:39 Is it last year's five-year plan?
05:31:41 Because you haven't yet established the goals and objectives
05:31:45 and priorities for the current five-year plan.
05:31:48 So how can you -- what priorities are you working on?
05:31:56 >>THOM SNELLING: First -- and I'll let Ms. Colmes talk --
05:32:00 first, this is put together, and we are reacting to the
05:32:03 rules and regulation, criteria that we get from the federal
05:32:06 They say you have to do these things simultaneously.
05:32:09 I agree with you.
05:32:11 First you get the big picture and they say okay, here is
05:32:14 what we want to do, and you do this maybe a little
05:32:17 concurrently but not simultaneously so to speak.
05:32:20 This process, their process that they give us requires a
05:32:23 simultaneous concurrent kind of application.
05:32:25 So it is a little confusing for me as well.
05:32:29 >> So what are the priorities and goals and objectives for
05:32:32 this first year?
05:32:36 >> Lee: That's the reason we did the survey, in the month
05:32:40 of March, and get some ideas from the community.
05:32:43 I know we haven't gone out to your neighborhood you
05:32:45 mentioned, but we have kind of a general overview, and also
05:32:48 we have been doing a lot of data analysis.
05:32:51 For instance, right now, as of September, 2011, City of
05:32:56 Tampa is experiencing 15.7% foreclosure issues.
05:33:02 And that means that one out of 314 homes are being
05:33:07 But that is a priority.
05:33:08 You know, we need to address the foreclosure prevention.
05:33:14 >> That begs the question who is deciding the priority?
05:33:19 Are the responses to the surveys in the data analysis in
05:33:23 deciding the priorities?
05:33:25 Is administration deciding the priorities?
05:33:27 Or is it this body in a collaboration?
05:33:31 >>THOM SNELLING: I think it's a combination of all those
05:33:32 things, Councilwoman.
05:33:34 We do not say, okay, we have these 269 surveys, that's it.
05:33:38 >>LISA MONTELIONE: But the meeting schedule and the
05:33:44 presentation of your report to this body as a whole, the
05:33:49 presentation of whatever data you have collected and the
05:33:52 data analysis, when does that come before us so that we can
05:33:55 look at it and we can see where you are at with the analysis
05:34:02 so we can add our reasoning?
05:34:11 >>THOM SNELLING: Okay, the first time that you will have the
05:34:13 draft consolidated plan -- well, we have on the calendars
05:34:18 June 14th.
05:34:19 >>LISA MONTELIONE: When is it due to be submitted?
05:34:25 >>THOM SNELLING: August.
05:34:26 August 15th.
05:34:27 >> Lee: So you will receive the draft plan and draft year
05:34:34 one action plan.
05:34:35 And we have a time frame we have to work with.
05:34:40 HUD mandates that citizens have 30 days to review the draft
05:34:43 plan and make a comment.
05:34:47 But that's the way the schedule is set up.
05:34:49 >> So if we get it June 14th and it's due to the federal
05:34:53 government in August?
05:34:55 >>THOM SNELLING: Yes, ma'am.
05:34:57 These are the dates we have, and that's at the end of the
05:34:58 presentation you will see the calendar.
05:35:00 That's where that breaks down to.
05:35:02 We feel that in May, we will have already received the RFP
05:35:07 submission deadlines by April, so you will have an idea, the
05:35:11 needs and recommendations will have been -- that we have
05:35:15 sent out, the surveys will be N.of course, the data from the
05:35:19 census bureau is already in.
05:35:21 So we'll have a lot of that data available prior to the June
05:35:24 14th, and what we are trying to do the best we can is to
05:35:28 get you data information on what it's starting to look like,
05:35:31 to give council as much time, you know, two months, ten
05:35:35 weeks, you know, as much as possible, so you have to react,
05:35:39 and that's what we are also trying to build in some
05:35:41 additional meetings, like I said use additional one on ones,
05:35:46 go to some additional neighborhood meetings to continue to
05:35:49 work on that so we don't get all up involved and all of a
05:35:52 sudden it's, here, take a look at, this and we have about a
05:35:56 week and a half to react.
05:35:57 We are trying to avoid that, and we think so far we are
05:36:00 trying to do that.
05:36:01 We are trying to give council as much leeway as possible for
05:36:04 the whole picture.
05:36:05 >> Well, if the draft is going to be already put together
05:36:09 and presented in June, I think I would like to see a staff
05:36:12 report sometime in May so that we can see the picture as
05:36:21 it's forming, whether in June be presented with a draft in
05:36:28 somewhat of a formalized nature.
05:36:31 >>THOM SNELLING: All thousand can't see this, Councilwoman,
05:36:34 I have opportunity for additional input and workshop.
05:36:37 Put that in there prior to the June date.
05:36:39 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I don't have any my council calendar, so
05:36:46 I would like to set a motion for staff report at one of our
05:36:50 May regular sessions.
05:36:59 Okay, staff report May 17th.
05:37:01 >> That will be fine.
05:37:03 We can do that.
05:37:03 >>LISA MONTELIONE: At 9 a.m.?
05:37:07 >>THOM SNELLING: 9:00?
05:37:10 >>LISA MONTELIONE: 10 a.m.?
05:37:11 Staff report.
05:37:13 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Motion by Ms. Montelione on the 17th
05:37:15 of May at 10:00 for staff report of this subject matter that
05:37:19 we are discussing, to bring over the plan before the June
05:37:24 15th deadline.
05:37:25 And who seconded it?
05:37:28 >>LISA MONTELIONE: June 14th.
05:37:29 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I'll second it.
05:37:33 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Second by Mr. Suarez.
05:37:34 All in favor?
05:37:35 The ayes have it.
05:37:39 >>THOM SNELLING: We will have a lot of that information out
05:37:41 ahead of time.
05:37:42 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Moving on.
05:37:53 >>THOM SNELLING: We have discussed that.
05:37:54 And the workshops like I said, they were very well attended,
05:37:58 the deadline towards April 13030thth.
05:38:01 In May that's when we are going through the process, the
05:38:04 evaluation of the review committee and what they do.
05:38:09 You know, they will rank them, clean them up, make their
05:38:12 funding recommendations available in June, and then we have
05:38:16 already talked about that, the actual June 14th action
05:38:18 plan deadline, July 19th, final program, the second
05:38:25 public hearing.
05:38:26 And then agreements for funding approval by council, way
05:38:29 back in October.
05:38:30 But that's after everything is. Did you those are just the
05:38:33 actual draft agreements.
05:38:36 And here is a calendar where we spent a good deal talking on
05:38:41 You can see we have already had some of the meetings and the
05:38:43 needs assessment throughout March.
05:38:45 We did the RFP the 2nd of April.
05:38:50 Right now we are having the first public hearing on April
05:38:53 The 30th is when the deadlines for those items will come
05:38:56 back in, and with all of that data coming back in, with
05:39:02 everything we already do have, vis-a-vis the census and
05:39:05 surveys and some of the needs and recommendations, we should
05:39:08 be able to give you a fairly good picture of what's
05:39:11 happening and how it's starting to come together for the May
05:39:15 14, May 17.
05:39:17 Montana and when you said you send it to all the
05:39:20 neighborhood association presidents, did you also include
05:39:22 the homeowners association presidents in the Tampa Palms and
05:39:26 New Tampa area?
05:39:27 >> Lee: Yes.
05:39:29 >> Come back up.
05:39:32 >> We sent the list, have a list of all the registered
05:39:37 neighborhoods and homeowner associations within the city.
05:39:39 They were sent to all of those organizations.
05:39:42 And every other organization that we find that we have,
05:39:46 because we sent it out to everybody we could they've.
05:39:50 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Would you mind let meeting know in my
05:39:53 district who you have not heard from?
05:39:56 >> Absolutely.
05:39:58 >>THOM SNELLING: Yes.
05:40:02 That's the 12th and 30th.
05:40:22 We discussed the calendar so I think that fairly well covers
05:40:25 The needs and recommendations process.
05:40:27 This is something we have gone through within our advisory
05:40:35 There's nine representatives there.
05:40:37 That's where we sent out.
05:40:38 We received over 30 responses back from the mailouts of
05:40:43 And those are a lot of the bricks and mortar kinds of
05:40:48 things, recommendations for sidewalks, streetlights, tree
05:40:50 trimming, park improvements, traffic calming, safety issues,
05:40:56 things like that is where all that comes back from.
05:40:59 The reason that is important is because we'll get that back
05:41:02 and that will be incorporated into the overall plan, but it
05:41:04 also will be given so that the city can use some of that and
05:41:09 get an idea of what the overall neighborhood city-wide, what
05:41:14 folks are also thinking about what kinds of things that they
05:41:17 see their community and their neighborhood needs as well.
05:41:20 So to me that becomes a very valuable piece to the overall
05:41:23 five-year plan, the one-year action plan, as well as often
05:41:28 going annual budget.
05:41:32 And I just told you the advisory committee, and then that's
05:41:37 the end of my presentation.
05:41:41 I'll answer any other questions.
05:41:45 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Any questions by council members at this
05:41:48 This is a public hearing, so we'll ask the public anyone
05:41:54 want to speak on item number 1?
05:41:57 I see no one.
05:41:58 We'll go to item number 2.
05:42:09 >>THOM SNELLING: Did you close the public hearing for number
05:42:11 1, anyway?
05:42:13 >>THE CLERK: Mr. Chairman there, was no motion to open.
05:42:18 >>THOM SNELLING: I thought when we started you said you were
05:42:21 opening from items 1 through 4.
05:42:23 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: No, I don't think so.
05:42:25 >>THOM SNELLING: My apologies.
05:42:26 My bad.
05:42:27 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: That's a good motion you made.
05:42:29 [ Laughter ]
05:42:29 I need a motion to open public hearing 1 through 4.
05:42:32 >> So moved.
05:42:33 >> Second.
05:42:34 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Motion by Mr. Suarez, second by Mr.
05:42:36 All in favor of the motion?
05:42:38 Opposed nay?
05:42:39 The ayes have it unanimously.
05:42:45 Speak on 1 for a few minutes.
05:42:50 I want to you bring up 1 again, and very briefly.
05:42:52 Very briefly, in a minute.
05:42:54 One minute.
05:42:56 >>THOM SNELLING: Thom Snelling, planning and development,
05:42:58 here to talk about the five-year action plan.
05:43:04 In order to spend the money we received from the federal
05:43:06 dollars primarily through HUD, covering four different
05:43:08 funding sources.
05:43:11 As part of that you will also develop a one-year action plan
05:43:14 from that, which will dictate some of the specific programs
05:43:18 and projects would you like to see happen and what the
05:43:21 community would like to see and I will answer any questions
05:43:22 that you have.
05:43:25 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Need a motion to receive the documents
05:43:28 for a workshop.
05:43:28 >> So moved.
05:43:31 >> Second.
05:43:33 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: That's on May 17th at 10:00?
05:43:36 >>THOM SNELLING: Yes, sir.
05:43:36 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I need that motion made by Mr. Suarez,
05:43:38 the original motion by Mrs. Montelione, second by Mrs.
05:43:42 Capin, originally motion by Mr. Suarez, and a third motion
05:43:46 by Mr. Cohen.
05:43:47 All in favor of that motion?
05:43:48 I know what I'm doing.
05:43:53 I want to give credit to the people who made it originally.
05:43:57 It's my fault.
05:43:59 All in favor say aye.
05:44:00 Opposed, nay.
05:44:01 The ayes have it unanimously.
05:44:02 Thank you very much.
05:44:03 Need a motion.
05:44:04 Anyone from the public to speak on item number 1 I see no
05:44:12 Motion to close by Mr. Suarez, second by Mr. Cohen.
05:44:16 All in favor?
05:44:17 The ayes have it unanimously.
05:44:20 >>THOM SNELLING: Council, thank you.
05:44:21 I'll get you the information you requested.
05:44:22 >> And just to be clear, we have opened all four?
05:44:31 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Yes.
05:44:32 >> Thank you, sir.
05:44:34 >> Anyone here on item 2, anyone from the administration?
05:44:37 >> Gregory Hart, manager, minority small business
05:44:46 I'm here as staff resource for the public hearing on the
05:44:50 mayor's new initiative for the equal business opportunity
05:44:55 On March 15th, we presented those initiatives to you,
05:44:58 and today we are here for the public hearing.
05:45:09 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Anything else?
05:45:10 Anything else?
05:45:10 Any question by council members?
05:45:12 Anyone in the audience care to speak on item number 2?
05:45:16 Come forward.
05:45:16 >> Good evening, council members.
05:45:27 My name is James ransom, here representing the Tampa
05:45:32 organization of black affairs, chairman of the economic
05:45:35 development committee.
05:45:37 I want to say to council that we have been made aware of Mr.
05:45:46 Hart's proposal from the mayor's administration.
05:45:48 We think that it appears, it looks like the mayor is going
05:45:51 in the right direction to mandate that his ports are going
05:46:00 to be evaluated in the way they spend the city's money
05:46:04 fairly and equitably.
05:46:05 One of the things we are looking at even more closely is the
05:46:08 term good faith.
05:46:09 So far, good faith doesn't help the certified companies on
05:46:12 this end actually get money spent with them on the other
05:46:17 So at the end of the day all of those companies are looking
05:46:19 for is to be able to actually do business.
05:46:23 Whether they are in a demographic group by race or gender.
05:46:27 In one case on one of the reports I saw the city has spent
05:46:31 20-plus million dollars, in African-American contractors in
05:46:36 that category down about $132,000, and that can be changed
05:46:42 in a strong government formation like the City of Tampa
05:46:45 where the mayor administratively, everyone works under the
05:46:50 And we think that the mayor seems to be going in the right
05:46:53 direction here.
05:46:53 We are going to keep monitoring it.
05:46:55 We are going to send to you the same letter that we sent to
05:46:58 the mayor, chief of staff, that outlines our request for
05:47:04 formation of an evaluation component for the mayor to have,
05:47:10 and if you have any questions, once you receive that, please
05:47:13 give me a call.
05:47:14 But, anyway, we wanted to go on record telling you that we
05:47:17 are taking a close look at this.
05:47:18 We think this City Council has shown some recent, very good
05:47:25 leadership in many things that you do, and we think this
05:47:28 mayor seems to be thinking in the right direction.
05:47:30 So we just want to put that on the record.
05:47:34 Does anybody have any questions?
05:47:36 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Any questions?
05:47:36 That's my job.
05:47:38 Thank you.
05:47:38 [ Laughter ]
05:47:41 Mrs. Montelione?
05:47:43 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Mr. Anson, I raised questions about the
05:47:52 small business, the small local business enterprise program
05:47:56 and I know we are talking more about that year with the WMBE
05:48:01 programs, and I think I understand what you are saying but
05:48:04 let me see if my interpretation is what you mean, because I
05:48:08 have been part of that system.
05:48:10 And what I have experienced is a contract, and the way the
05:48:20 scoring works and those bids being returned to the city, is
05:48:24 this question on have you reached out to the small
05:48:29 businesses and minority businesses that are certified
05:48:32 through the city process?
05:48:34 But often, they say yes, and they get points for reaching
05:48:43 out, but because the subcontractors that they actually use
05:48:46 are ones they have been dealing with and using for business
05:48:50 all along, and the small businesses that they got the points
05:48:55 on never get the work.
05:48:58 Is that clear?
05:49:00 >> Our problem with the good faith piece is that you have
05:49:06 certain business relationships with companies that get
05:49:10 points for the good faith effort.
05:49:11 The problem with the good faith is, good faith is does not
05:49:15 transfer to actually paying the company, that might be the
05:49:21 minority company that the points are to be given for.
05:49:28 For example, you have a city attorney under contract.
05:49:33 Let's say he's got years and years of doing good work for
05:49:36 the city.
05:49:38 They are supposed to bring in minority subcontract attorneys
05:49:40 to work with them under good faith.
05:49:43 They haven't done that.
05:49:44 So the only way to change that is to make good faith convert
05:49:49 to an actual contract with the subcontractor, and then ride
05:49:55 that contract with the prime, and the city monitor
05:49:57 throughout the year that payments are being made from the
05:50:00 prime to the sub, or nothing will change.
05:50:04 Good faith doesn't change to actual money being transferred
05:50:07 to the subcontractor.
05:50:09 You cannot have good faith without actually paying the
05:50:12 subcontractor money.
05:50:15 I'll give you an example.
05:50:17 One of my favorite pizza shops in South Tampa, I love this
05:50:20 place, they joined the South Tampa chamber, and then they
05:50:25 They stopped paying their membership.
05:50:26 So I met with the South Tampa chamber and asked them if they
05:50:29 understood why the pizza company stopped paying their
05:50:33 And they said, no we don't know.
05:50:35 We know she's upset.
05:50:37 And I said, listen, she's got to sell pizza to make money in
05:50:41 order to pay her bills and make a living, and then pay your
05:50:45 So having this doesn't do.
05:50:49 That being certified doesn't do that.
05:50:51 Actually being paid does.
05:50:54 That so that's where we have to close that gap.
05:50:57 And that will change everything.
05:50:59 Yes, that's what we are looking at.
05:51:02 Thank you.
05:51:03 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Anyone else on item number 2?
05:51:06 Thank you all very much.
05:51:07 Item number 3 is a transmittal public hearing.
05:51:12 >> 2?
05:51:16 >> I think 2 was closed.
05:51:19 I need a motion to close.
05:51:21 Mr. Suarez, motion to close.
05:51:22 Second by Mr. Cohen.
05:51:23 All in favor say aye.
05:51:26 Item number 3.
05:51:27 Yes, sir.
05:51:29 >>TONY GARCIA: Planning Commission staff.
05:51:30 Could you please also open number 4?
05:51:33 Number 4 will be part of the transmittal hearing.
05:51:37 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: 1 through 4 was open.
05:51:39 That means they are both open.
05:51:41 >>TONY GARCIA: Thank you, sir.
05:51:43 Tony Garcia, Planning Commission staff.
05:51:45 We have before you this evening two plan amendments, both
05:51:48 text amendments both initiated by the City of Tampa the
05:51:51 first one before you on the mole, the comprehensive plan,
05:51:58 PA-11-03, a policy regarding the Seminole Heights flex
05:52:03 provision, presented in front of the Planning Commission
05:52:05 staff on January 9, 2,012,012th.
05:52:08 Planning Commission staff found it consistent with the
05:52:11 comprehensive plan.
05:52:11 Let me briefly give you a few of the facts regarding the
05:52:15 particular request.
05:52:15 The reason for the request was as I said before, was initial
05:52:20 by the City of Tampa to recognize properties, rezoned using
05:52:23 the flex provision from Seminole Heights to zoning
05:52:28 conformance process conducted in 1987, to recognize this by
05:52:31 the creation of a policy that I will show you subsequently
05:52:34 to facilitate the implementation of the greater Seminole
05:52:37 Heights vision plan which you all have adopted, and you also
05:52:40 have adopted certain policies which are already integrated
05:52:43 in the comprehensive plan.
05:52:45 To give you a little bit of background, there are about 08
05:52:48 properties in the Seminole Heights area, and because you are
05:52:50 going to have different zoning districts created, which is
05:52:55 prefix with an SH on them now, these districts are already
05:53:00 recognized and are agreed to through the zoning component
05:53:03 process of 1987, between the property owners and the City of
05:53:06 Tampa, recognizing that the properties were flexed, and the
05:53:11 flex provision which is not used anymore, it was ceased in
05:53:15 the early 1990s, was to guarantee thousand flex a zoning
05:53:19 district 150 feet.
05:53:20 So those properties that were given in this flex provision
05:53:24 of 1987, the policy is just to recognize, since you are
05:53:27 going to be changing the prefixes for the new zoning
05:53:31 districts for Seminole Heights, this is just to guarantee
05:53:33 what these people already were promised in 1987.
05:53:35 So that's basically the crux of the policy.
05:53:40 So the policy reads like this.
05:53:41 The city shall establish specific Seminole Heights zoning
05:53:45 districts in conformance with the vision plan and Tampa
05:53:47 comprehensive plan.
05:53:49 Any property within the Seminole Heights urban village that
05:53:51 was zoned and considered conforming under the flex provision
05:53:54 which I have already explained to you, which is in chapter
05:53:57 9, may be zoned to a specific Seminole Heights zoning
05:54:01 It's got that SH prefix it.
05:54:10 It's already given to these properties and not reducing any
05:54:12 of their development potential.
05:54:16 So the staff did recommend the Planning Commission find
05:54:21 Tampa comprehensive plan amendment 1103 consistent with the
05:54:23 comprehensive plan, and we have forwarded this
05:54:25 recommendation to you for consideration of transmittal per
05:54:28 state and regional review.
05:54:30 Thank you.
05:54:30 That concludes my presentation to you.
05:54:34 Do I have any questions from council?
05:54:37 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Not at this time.
05:54:40 >>TONY GARCIA: Thank you, sir.
05:54:45 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: You will in a few minute in the next
05:54:47 All right.
05:54:47 Thank you very much.
05:54:48 I need a motion.
05:54:53 Well, transmittal you do that also?
05:54:58 >>MARTIN SHELBY: If anybody wants to speak it is a public
05:55:00 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Does anyone want to speak on item number
05:55:03 I see no one.
05:55:06 Need a motion to close.
05:55:07 >> Motion to close.
05:55:11 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Motion by Mrs. Capin, second by Mr.
05:55:13 All in favor?
05:55:14 The ayes have it unanimously.
05:55:15 I need a motion to transmit item number 3.
05:55:18 I have a motion by Ms. Montelione, seconded by Mr. Cohen.
05:55:23 All in favor of that motion indicate by saying aye.
05:55:26 Opposed nay.
05:55:27 The ayes have it unanimously.
05:55:29 Mr. Garcia, number 4.
05:55:32 Oh, not Mr. Garcia.
05:55:37 >>ROSE PETRUCHA: Surprise.
05:55:37 Rose Petrucha, planning staff, PA-11-04, initiated by the
05:55:46 staff, City of Tampa, and this is related to the major
05:55:49 public semi-public of the future land use element.
05:55:53 This amendment is proposing a little bit of text change as
05:55:57 well as proposing three new policies which is going to
05:56:01 clarify the use of this category.
05:56:03 The reason for this text amendment is to establish a policy
05:56:06 guideline for defining the intensity and density associated
05:56:10 with this category, as well as to offer protection to the
05:56:13 character of the neighborhood.
05:56:17 The text amendment will be amending some of the text within
05:56:23 the land use element.
05:56:24 It's going define some uses as primary purposes, and it will
05:56:28 define the density intensity associated with the category.
05:56:32 And that is clarified through three proposed new policies.
05:56:42 Proposed policy 21.1.7.
05:57:00 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: The Elmo just stopped.
05:57:06 >>ROSE PETRUCHA: Thank you.
05:57:12 The first policy is to recognize the existing uses within
05:57:17 that category that were established prior to the adoption of
05:57:20 this particular comprehensive plan of February 9th,
05:57:24 2009, but those pieces will be considered conforming.
05:57:31 The new proposed policy 21.1.8 define that maximum allowable
05:57:38 intensity and density of that category will be guided by the
05:57:42 most intensive future land use categories that is adjacent
05:57:45 to that property.
05:57:46 It also provides provisions of higher intensity and density
05:57:51 can be considered by the Tampa City Council, provided that
05:57:53 it will conform to criteria, more intensive development, and
05:57:57 redevelopment, and that criteria will be defined in the Land
05:58:01 Development Code.
05:58:02 And it is also stated in here that the development and
05:58:06 redevelopment must ensure that the uses be located in a
05:58:10 design and compatible man we are the neighboring uses.
05:58:16 And then the third policy that is proposed, 21.1.9 states
05:58:24 that any use that's going to be developed within that
05:58:26 category must be developed in a manner that will be
05:58:29 compatible with community character of the surrounding areas
05:58:33 and will minimize the visual and environmental impact.
05:58:36 And again, any specific regulations would be within the Land
05:58:40 Development Code.
05:58:41 This was presented to the Planning Commission at a public
05:58:44 hearing on January 9th.
05:58:48 This amendment was worked with the City of Tampa staff and
05:58:50 they concurred with the proposed wording of the policy.
05:58:55 And the Planning Commission did find the proposed amendment
05:58:58 consistent, and we recommend to you the transmittal of this
05:59:02 for state and regional review.
05:59:04 Thank you.
05:59:06 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
05:59:06 Any questions by council members at this time?
05:59:08 Ms. Mulhern?
05:59:10 >>MARY MULHERN: Yes, all of these policies actually, have
05:59:16 they been presented to neighborhood associations, to
05:59:22 T.H.A.N. or --?
05:59:29 >>ROSE PETRUCHA: The neighborhood associations were aware of
05:59:31 our public hearings.
05:59:33 We did work with city staff.
05:59:34 I believe we did receive some comments from the various
05:59:37 neighborhoods but we did not receive any type of objections.
05:59:40 >>MARY MULHERN: No objections to that 21.1.8 where the
05:59:47 highest density is automatically granted -- or I'm sorry,
05:59:52 the highest intensity is automatically granted?
05:59:56 >>ROSE PETRUCHA: The intent of this policy is the future
06:00:00 land use categories that are surrounding the public
06:00:02 category, that those are the future land use categories that
06:00:07 will be utilized for the guidance of any type of
06:00:10 In other words, the F.A.R. of the land use that's around
06:00:13 there is to be used for review.
06:00:16 It can't be any higher than that.
06:00:20 Preferred is for some reason -- I'll give you an example.
06:00:24 Say there's an elementary school, and it is no longer being
06:00:27 used as an elementary school, and someone is interested in
06:00:30 converting that to perhaps elderly housing, assisted housing
06:00:37 That might require a little higher density than the
06:00:39 surrounding residential land uses.
06:00:41 But the provisions for the consideration of that would be
06:00:44 granted to you to make that consideration for a
06:00:48 redevelopment project.
06:00:50 It's not an automatic guarantee that that would be
06:00:54 In other words, any type of use or development must utilize
06:00:58 the surrounding land use land specifications for the
06:01:03 consideration of the F.A.R.
06:01:04 Not anything higher than that.
06:01:07 >>MARY MULHERN: Right.
06:01:09 But we see different land use categories could be abutting a
06:01:16 property that's public/semi-public, so this language reads
06:01:22 to me that the maximum allowable intensity shall be guided
06:01:31 by the most intensive FLU category -- you are saying it
06:01:35 should be guided by the most intensive?
06:01:39 >>ROSE PETRUCHA: The intent is for guidance of an F.A.R.
06:01:42 that they can utilize joining land use category as
06:01:47 limitations for F.A.R.
06:01:48 >>MARY MULHERN: More than one land use category.
06:01:54 >>ROSE PETRUCHA: That's correct.
06:01:55 >>MARY MULHERN: That's my problem.
06:01:57 >>TONY GARCIA: Ms. Muscle American, if I may.
06:02:01 Public/semi-public has no cap.
06:02:05 Currently has no cap.
06:02:06 The reason for putting these provisions in is to ensure that
06:02:09 a cap, in some way, can be reached based on the surrounding
06:02:13 character of that particular parcel.
06:02:15 For example, this parcel, fits public/semi-public, or wants
06:02:21 to go there, and let's say it's surrounded by residential
06:02:25 10, residential 20, residential 35, what can't be taken into
06:02:31 consideration is a residential 35 or something thereof, but
06:02:36 what you are doing Sur actually setting a cap where there is
06:02:38 no cap prevent presently.
06:02:40 So you are using the code around to show whatever it
06:02:45 becomes, the F.A.R. is in character with the F.A.R. of the
06:02:48 abutting properties.
06:02:49 So there's a protection by doing that.
06:02:52 >>MARY MULHERN: That doesn't sound like a cap to me.
06:02:55 It sound like entitlement to have the higher intensity.
06:03:03 I mean, we see a typical public/semi-public would be a
06:03:09 church or school and they are surrounded by different land
06:03:12 use categories.
06:03:15 >>TONY GARCIA: Again, there is no cap on public/semi-public.
06:03:18 This whole exercise is to create criteria to allow a process
06:03:22 to create and establish a cap, where there is no cap in this
06:03:28 Public SLB semi-public as it is now without these policies
06:03:33 has no ceiling for intensity or density.
06:03:35 This will establish a criteria to establish a cap, in
06:03:39 character with the surrounding land use categories.
06:03:42 >>MARY MULHERN: I don't know, well, maybe --
06:03:49 >>TONY GARCIA: It was found in agreement and consistent with
06:03:51 your city staff.
06:03:52 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
06:03:53 Anyone in the audience care to speak to this item, item
06:03:55 number 4?
06:03:58 One more time, anyone in the audience dire speak on item
06:04:00 number 4?
06:04:01 >>HARRY COHEN: Motion to close.
06:04:05 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Motion to close by Mr. Cohen, seconded by
06:04:08 Mr. Suarez.
06:04:09 The ayes have it unanimously.
06:04:10 I need a motion to transmit.
06:04:12 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I'll make the motion to remove the
06:04:17 resolution and transmit.
06:04:18 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion from Mrs. Montelione for
06:04:22 transmittal, second by Mr. Suarez.
06:04:23 All in favor?
06:04:26 The ayes have it unanimously.
06:04:27 Thank you all very much.
06:04:28 We are going to take a five-minute recess and we will be
06:04:31 back for the 6:00.
06:04:33 Well, it will be 6:04 really.
06:17:50 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Here.
06:17:54 >>MARY MULHERN: Here.
06:17:55 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Here.
06:17:57 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Here.
06:17:58 >>HARRY COHEN: Here.
06:17:59 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: We are going to open items 5 through 12.
06:18:02 I need a motion for that.
06:18:03 And then Abbye will come up.
06:18:06 I have a motion by Mrs. Mulhern, second by Mr. Cohen.
06:18:09 All in favor?
06:18:10 The ayes have it unanimously.
06:18:11 Also, these are quasi-judicial proceedings so anyone in the
06:18:17 audience who is going to speak on any item 5 through 12 will
06:18:20 have to get sworn in.
06:18:25 If you are going speak on items 5 through 12 that includes
06:18:28 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12.
06:18:32 (Oath administered by Clerk)
06:18:34 >>ABBYE FEELEY: Land Development Coordination.
06:18:47 I believe everything with the exception of item number 8,
06:18:51 item number 8, Z 12-13 located 1217, I have rescheduled with
06:19:05 the clerk for the May 10 public hearing.
06:19:10 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Is anyone here to speak to item number 8?
06:19:12 That hearing will not be heard tonight.
06:19:14 It will be heard May 10 at 6:00 p.m.
06:19:18 >>ABBYE FEELEY: Number 9, also.
06:19:34 It has been rescheduled for the May 10th public hearing
06:19:37 at 6:00 p.m.
06:19:38 And that's at 2122 west Mohawk, 2115, 2119, 2131 west
06:19:46 Hillsborough Avenue.
06:19:48 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: That's item number 9.
06:19:49 Anyone that came specifically for item number 9, it will not
06:19:54 be heard tonight, it will be heard on May 10th at 6 p.m.
06:19:58 I need a motion to move these to two to may 10th.
06:20:04 Motion by Mr. Cohen, second by Mr. Suarez.
06:20:07 Please signify by saying aye.
06:20:09 Opposed nay.
06:20:09 The ayes have it unanimously.
06:20:11 All right.
06:20:12 First on the agenda is item number 5.
06:20:30 >>JAMES COOK: Land Development Coordination.
06:20:31 I have been sworn.
06:20:32 I'm here on item number 5 which is case C-12-05 related to
06:20:37 item number 6, S-2 application in front of you, case
06:20:42 V-12-88, and the S-2 is contingent on the vacating being
06:20:49 Petitioner is requesting to vacate a north-south unimproved
06:20:53 alley running from forest Avenue to Bryan street between
06:20:59 Nebraska and Mitchell Avenue.
06:21:02 The alley north-south is highlighted in yellow. For the
06:21:05 record, 275 to the west.
06:21:18 Here is a picture of the alley nothing north on forest
06:21:21 Avenue, and south on Bryan Street.
06:21:24 There's a couple of pictures of the petitioner's property.
06:21:27 This is looking east from Mitchell Avenue.
06:21:31 This is looking east from Mitchell Avenue.
06:21:34 Staff has no objection to this vacating Q.petitioner has
06:21:38 agreed to wastewater conditions.
06:21:40 >>ABBYE FEELEY: Land development.
06:21:44 There is a special use that runs with this vacating for a
06:21:47 commercial offstreet parking lot so I would like to present
06:21:50 that case now if you would consider both items together.
06:21:54 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: All right.
06:21:54 5 and 6 are the ones that we are going to speak on.
06:21:57 They are both open so we'll go 5 and 6 together.
06:22:00 However, 6 won't pass, I guarantee you, unless 5 passes.
06:22:03 >>ABBYE FEELEY: You are absolutely corrects sir.
06:22:09 The special use request before you this evening is 2802 to
06:22:12 2808 north Nebraska Avenue, is for off-street commercial
06:22:18 And the applicant is proposing a parking lot that will serve
06:22:21 the commercial general portion along Nebraska and the
06:22:25 vacated, soon to be vacate order potentially vacated
06:22:30 alleyway that runs down the north-south of the property.
06:22:36 Jimmy showed that to you.
06:22:38 Will provide the connection, make this one zoning lot
06:22:44 There's a total of 15 parking spaces that are being proposed
06:22:48 in the special use portion of this site.
06:22:51 The site plan that you see does show you the whole block
06:22:54 functioning including the proposed retail.
06:22:56 This is along Nebraska Avenue.
06:22:58 This is one of the urban villages in our comprehensive plan,
06:23:03 and therefore the building is pushed up to the front at
06:23:05 Nebraska, and the parking is in the side, in the rear.
06:23:09 The 15 parking spaces seems shown to the back.
06:23:21 I'll let Tony go ahead and present on the comprehensive
06:23:23 plan, and then I will come back and show you some
06:23:26 photographs of the site and the zoning ath atlas to you as
06:23:32 >>TONY GARCIA: Planning Commission staff.
06:23:33 I have been sworn in.
06:23:34 She just was getting into the -- wanting to do the
06:23:39 It's real nice of her to let me have a couple of words.
06:23:44 To make it real simple for the cases before you this
06:23:47 evening, all the cases are in the central planning district,
06:23:51 which fits right into what we want to do with the comp plan.
06:23:54 So this particular property, to give you some context, is
06:23:57 located just a block north of the intersection of Nebraska
06:23:59 and Columbus drive.
06:24:01 The land use categories along Nebraska are predominantly
06:24:04 community mixed use 35.
06:24:06 That's your pink color, and also the dark brown color is
06:24:11 residential 20.
06:24:12 As you can see, the subject site does consistent of two land
06:24:15 use categories, community mixed use 35 along Nebraska, and
06:24:19 as you go westwardly away from Nebraska, residential 206789
06:24:23 this is where the special use really is taking into effect.
06:24:27 You have to take the whole site into account.
06:24:28 This is where the parking will be.
06:24:30 This already is CG right here.
06:24:32 So you can have a variety of use allowed on that particular
06:24:37 The special use will allow for the parking spaces that Ms.
06:24:40 Feeley already addressed.
06:24:42 This will give you some context of where the area is, just
06:24:45 east of the -- just northeast of the junction that separates
06:24:50 this particular area from the downtown area.
06:24:56 The Planning Commission staff found the proposed request for
06:24:58 the special use temporary parking consistent with the
06:25:00 comprehensive plan.
06:25:01 Thank you.
06:25:01 >>ABBYE FEELEY: Land development.
06:25:06 To up where Tony left off, the zoning atlas and the comp
06:25:12 plan future land use, Tony just showed you that pink, all
06:25:17 the way back to the back of this block is where this
06:25:20 commercial general corridor actually picks up and follows
06:25:30 Forest Avenue to the south, Bryan street to the north,
06:25:34 Nebraska Avenue to the east.
06:25:44 I do have some photos to show you.
06:25:48 This site is currently vacant.
06:25:50 This picture is looking west from Nebraska.
06:25:56 This is from the southeast corner looking back northwest.
06:26:03 This is the property to the south of forest.
06:26:07 This is looking from forest north.
06:26:10 This is looking from Mitchell back toward Nebraska.
06:26:20 This is looking from Nebraska down forest.
06:26:23 This is looking north on Mitchell, northwest.
06:26:29 There are single-family residences along that street.
06:26:37 This is to the north of the site.
06:26:40 This is also to the north.
06:26:43 This is looking north on Nebraska.
06:26:45 South on Nebraska.
06:26:47 I think that's it.
06:26:53 Staff has reviewed the special use request in accordance
06:26:56 with the code of ordinances and does find it consistent.
06:26:59 There are no modifications needed to the site plan being
06:27:02 proposed before you this evening.
06:27:04 I have provided for your review the special use criteria,
06:27:09 two, three and four of your staff report.
06:27:14 There is one waiver being requested, and that is to allow
06:27:18 the parking lot to extend more than 100 feet from the use
06:27:20 that it serves.
06:27:22 It's 113 feet in depth, 10 feet of that is the alley that
06:27:26 will be vacated.
06:27:28 So that is where you are in context to the special use
06:27:33 I'm available for any questions.
06:27:36 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
06:27:37 Is petitioner here?
06:27:38 >> Good evening.
06:27:46 I'm Robin Kendall, 7815 N. Dale Mabry Highway, and I have
06:27:51 been sworn.
06:27:53 Basically, we just need to Pa put a parking lot in and build
06:27:58 a retail store.
06:27:59 I can answer any questions.
06:28:02 We agree to the conditions of the alley vacation from the
06:28:07 solid waste department or the sanitary sewer department.
06:28:10 If I can answer any questions.
06:28:12 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Any questions by council members at this
06:28:14 Anyone in the audience care to speak on this item, item
06:28:16 number 5?
06:28:18 Please come forward.
06:28:19 >> My name is Kim Hadland, I live at 1001 east 24th
06:28:32 Avenue, and I'm the president of the VM Ybor Neighborhood
06:28:34 Association, and we received the two required good
06:28:38 neighborhood notification letters regarding these two issues
06:28:41 and at our April 4th neighborhood association meeting we
06:28:44 discussed this, and the community and the board voted
06:28:47 unanimously to oppose these requests.
06:28:51 While we greatly support any economic development along the
06:28:55 Nebraska Avenue corridor, there were several really big red
06:29:00 flags that went off for our community and residents in close
06:29:04 proximity to this.
06:29:06 The first is that this is taking up an entire city block in
06:29:10 our neighborhood.
06:29:11 There's no other CG parcel that takes up an entire block and
06:29:16 forces parking to occur on both Nebraska Avenue and on
06:29:20 Mitchell, which is a residential street.
06:29:23 Those properties that face Mitchell will now face a parking
06:29:27 lot, where the intent, I don't think, long ago was ever to
06:29:31 have those residences facing a parking lot.
06:29:35 The access to the parking lot is limited to narrow side
06:29:39 streets, Bryan and forest Avenue there, was concern about
06:29:44 increased traffic on those two side streets.
06:29:49 Belong walls towards Nebraska Avenue and Bryan street and
06:29:51 ended up completely inconsistent with that historic
06:29:55 commercial corridor in the area, and the north suburban
06:30:00 development, that entrance faces inward on the lot towards
06:30:03 the new parking.
06:30:05 Residents question the amount of parking required and also
06:30:07 the minimal buffering required for those residents on
06:30:10 Mitchell Avenue.
06:30:11 There's the eight-foot minimum required buffer there.
06:30:15 And again, I wanted to reinforce that every commercial
06:30:21 property along that strip in our community does not take a
06:30:24 whole city block, even renting and checkers don't take an
06:30:29 entire city block for parking and force residential
06:30:33 properties to medley face parking.
06:30:35 So on behalf of the VM eBay neighborhood association we ask
06:30:41 that council deny the request and encourage a more
06:30:43 appropriate urban design solution, and meeting overlay
06:30:49 Thank you.
06:30:50 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you.
06:30:51 Next, please.
06:30:52 >> Janet Howard.
06:30:56 And I have not been sworn.
06:30:57 My address is 812 east Bryan street.
06:31:03 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Before we go any further, anyone else in
06:31:04 the audience who wishes to speak tonight who has not been
06:31:08 Has to be sworn.
06:31:09 (Oath administered by Clerk)
06:31:11 >> Yes, sir.
06:31:19 I came to the meeting tonight because I'm a resident on
06:31:24 Bryan street, 812-6789 it is directly where the alley that
06:31:29 they want business to vacate.
06:31:31 I have a small child, several small children in the area.
06:31:35 I believe that any commercial parking, off-street parking in
06:31:38 that area will hinder, you know, child play, also endanger
06:31:44 these children, because the roadway is pretty much the main
06:31:48 area where they play at, and that actual area, you know,
06:31:52 stops traffic from coming through and, you know, small
06:31:56 children running across the street, they don't have to worry
06:31:58 about a lot of traffic going down.
06:32:01 Furthermore, being that I am a resident in that area, and
06:32:06 staying there for a long time, I see safety issues in
06:32:09 regards to them, taking that alley, or cutting it off in a
06:32:14 manner that would hinder my neighbors who are in the back of
06:32:19 me from seeing what's going on.
06:32:22 I'm sure that that alley has been there for over 20 years,
06:32:28 and I don't see any need there should be any vacating of it
06:32:33 or any off-street commercial property because -- parking
06:32:36 because it will not help Nebraska Avenue.
06:32:38 Right now, there's only, I believe, a linen store on the
06:32:41 other side.
06:32:42 And there's no commercial parking in that area.
06:32:46 So I don't think -- I certainly wish that the City Council
06:32:50 oppose and object to this change.
06:32:53 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
06:32:54 Next, please.
06:32:54 >> Kelly Bailey, 2701 North 9th Street.
06:33:01 First I would like to speak for Terry Grinsdale who also
06:33:05 resides at 2701 north 9th street.
06:33:08 He would like me in his absence state his opposition to the
06:33:12 plan for family dollar at the corner of 17th, or between
06:33:17 forest and, whatever, Bryan along Nebraska Avenue.
06:33:21 I would also like to express my opposition to the
06:33:24 development of family dollar and the variances that they are
06:33:27 requesting in our neighborhood.
06:33:29 The design presented is not at all in keeping with the
06:33:31 historic fabric in our neighborhood that is along Nebraska
06:33:35 Avenue, going through VM Ybor.
06:33:37 This would also encompass an entire block, ingress and
06:33:43 egress to the parking lot really concerned me.
06:33:45 There are homes that directly face where those driveways
06:33:50 will be placed.
06:33:52 All the other properties along Nebraska Avenue have the
06:33:55 entryway mostly along Nebraska Avenue, if there are any
06:34:00 commercial properties.
06:34:03 I also do not approve of the plan with the back it of the
06:34:08 building facing Nebraska.
06:34:09 That is not at all in keeping of the historic area in which
06:34:15 we reside.
06:34:17 I'm concerned about the traffic, like I said, on the side
06:34:21 I'm sorry, I'm not as organized as I usually am when
06:34:24 speaking buff.
06:34:25 I go by this area because of the historic feel and I really
06:34:29 thought that we would move into a better direction.
06:34:31 I think this is moving us away from our goals as a community
06:34:36 to really preserve this historic fabric.
06:34:39 I am asking you to please do right by our neighborhood in
06:34:42 this case and in our struggles and deny the variance request
06:34:50 for the vacating of the alley and also for the waiver on the
06:34:53 Thank you.
06:34:54 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you.
06:34:54 Anyone else in the audience dire speak on item number 5?
06:34:58 Petitioner for rebuttal?
06:34:59 >> You know, we did notice everybody.
06:35:06 We have not heard back from anybody on any concerns.
06:35:09 Of this.
06:35:11 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Did you reach out to them?
06:35:12 Did you call the neighborhood organization?
06:35:14 >> No, sir, did we not.
06:35:16 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Then it's a halfway/halfway.
06:35:18 I'm not blaming anyone.
06:35:20 I'm saying I understand what reaching out S.
06:35:23 >> Okay.
06:35:25 A couple of the items in the buffer areas, I mean, we are
06:35:30 meeting the code for the buffers, all the buffers.
06:35:32 The driveway.
06:35:33 The reason we have the driveway on Bryan, or on forest, is
06:35:40 because D.O.T. will not allow an access onto forest.
06:35:44 And the only access on Bryan is a right-out only, which is
06:35:49 to service solid waste, garbage trucks.
06:35:54 There's no other way we can put access out here.
06:35:57 The store itself is not a typical -- a typical store.
06:36:05 I mean, we have improved that store.
06:36:13 You can see the front of the store, the side and rear of the
06:36:17 It's not your typical metal building.
06:36:19 I mean, it's a nice store.
06:36:22 It's an improvement over what's typically put out there.
06:36:31 The alley right now serves no purpose.
06:36:33 It's not paved.
06:36:36 You know, there's a sanitary sewer main in there that's in
06:36:40 very poor condition, with the vacation of the alley will be
06:36:43 reimbursing the city for the cost of that main.
06:36:49 I think this will be an asset to the -- to that site as a
06:36:56 I can answer any questions.
06:36:57 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Any questions by council members at this
06:37:00 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I don't have a question of you, sir, but
06:37:02 I have a question of staff, and particularly Ms. Cole.
06:37:13 From what I understand from what's in our packet in the
06:37:15 staff report, we are considering the vacation of an alley,
06:37:21 and I heard a lot about the store.
06:37:27 This is not a PD.
06:37:30 >>JULIA COLE: Legal department.
06:37:33 That is correct.
06:37:33 >>LISA MONTELIONE: So we are not looking at the siting of
06:37:39 the store, the direction of the store.
06:37:41 We are just considering the vacation of this alley at this
06:37:44 >>JULIA COLE: Tough alley right now, and then you also have
06:37:52 the special use, which, if approved, would allow a use of
06:38:00 the property as a commercial parking lot to serve the
06:38:03 adjacent parcel, which is zoned CG, and does have the
06:38:08 allowability for a variety of CG use.
06:38:14 You are only looking at the special use for the parking and
06:38:17 also the vacation of the alley.
06:38:18 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Is there anything related to --
06:38:23 >>JULIA COLE: Other than the fact that there is a
06:38:25 commercial use that is allowed on the property, which is
06:38:27 abutting Nebraska, that is not what's in front of you today.
06:38:30 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Thank you.
06:38:38 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Any further questions by council members?
06:38:40 >>MIKE SUAREZ: For the petitioner, sir.
06:38:43 In terms of the -- obviously all we are looking at is that
06:38:48 back piece.
06:38:48 When you were designing it, are there any studies, or do you
06:38:51 do any studies to look at the traffic flow and how to do it?
06:38:56 I know that with it being CG, it's a little bit different.
06:38:59 But -- I mean, basically, this is our main access point
06:39:12 right here.
06:39:15 As far as the studies, no.
06:39:18 We have a small piece of property that it's very, very
06:39:22 And this is the only way we can get in here, because D.O.T.
06:39:25 will not grant any access over here.
06:39:27 We would like access over here, but they are not granting it
06:39:30 to us.
06:39:32 The only -- from about here back is the area that we want
06:39:37 the special use on.
06:39:39 You know, this is our only parking right there.
06:39:42 This is pond and all of this is buffer nor residential back
06:39:51 I hope that answers your question.
06:39:52 >>MIKE SUAREZ: It's a little bit different because we are
06:39:57 just putting in CG on one part of it, and we are fronting --
06:40:03 aren't we changing the back part to CG?
06:40:06 I'm sorry, not CG but allowing the use for the parking,
06:40:10 >>ABBYE FEELEY: Land development.
06:40:11 The CG on the front is all existing.
06:40:13 >>MIKE SUAREZ: No, narcs I know that.
06:40:15 I know that.
06:40:15 >> It would just ab special use --
06:40:18 >> I apologize for the misuse of the terminology.
06:40:20 I apologize.
06:40:22 The reason I was asking is because a lost times when we are
06:40:25 looking at zoning, in particular when we are using
06:40:31 residential streets for ingress and egress, a lot of times,
06:40:36 a lot of what I look at, war the safety factors coming into
06:40:41 neighborhoods, and sometimes we have access from a major
06:40:44 arterial road, and in this case we don't.
06:40:54 Now, obviously he can't change this in any way to make it
06:40:59 stick based on the uses and everything else there, correct?
06:41:03 >>ABBYE FEELEY: Land development.
06:41:04 There's a couple different things going on, on this site.
06:41:08 One is the denied access on Nebraska by FDOT.
06:41:14 The other is the solid waste service, and maneuvering by the
06:41:17 solid waste vehicles to access the site.
06:41:20 And the third is really the depth of the CG shows to the
06:41:32 south here, the interfaces there, and this is where you have
06:41:35 your full access on the site plan.
06:41:37 You have an in and out here.
06:41:39 Up here you have an out only.
06:41:41 And that out is channeliesed back to Nebraska.
06:41:43 It's not a full access as shown on his site plan here.
06:41:51 So here you will see in and out.
06:41:53 Here you see out only with that right directing back to
06:41:56 Nebraska, because in our overlay district such as Westshore,
06:42:01 Kennedy, the requirement is that 08% of your parking be
06:42:04 placed in the side or the rear.
06:42:06 And so this design would actually succumb to many of the
06:42:12 overlays we have on our major corridors that would promote
06:42:17 the building being brought out, and did he show you some of
06:42:20 the building.
06:42:21 The building is not in question here today.
06:42:23 What is in question is whether or not these spaces as he
06:42:26 showed you, because it can be placed in residential the way
06:42:31 it is now.
06:42:32 Your retention could be there.
06:42:34 So this time here that spans more than either nine feet in
06:42:39 depth, that's 25 feet right there plus your eight-foot
06:42:44 buffer is 32 feet.
06:42:45 This is 32 feet in depth until you are going to reach this
06:42:50 parking and solid waste enclosures there.
06:42:53 And down here would be the eight spaces that is being shown
06:42:58 to be located.
06:42:59 There's only 15 that are located here.
06:43:01 The remaining are locate up front.
06:43:03 >>MIKE SUAREZ: What's the reason for D.O.T. denying access
06:43:08 from Nebraska?
06:43:09 You don't know?
06:43:11 >> I don't No. I'm sorry.
06:43:12 They do try to limit the number of driveways for safety, and
06:43:17 because of spacing, so it probably had something to do with
06:43:20 streets, the amount of spacing, and would actually become a
06:43:24 safety issue for them.
06:43:25 I'm not exactly sure.
06:43:29 I know, I'm not --
06:43:30 >>MIKE SUAREZ: That's okay.
06:43:31 Thank you, chair.
06:43:33 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Any other council member?
06:43:36 The public has been heard. The petitioner had his rebuttal
06:43:40 Anyone else?
06:43:41 Need a motion to close.
06:43:43 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Motion to close.
06:43:45 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Seconded by Mrs. Mulhern to close.
06:43:48 All in favor of the motion please indicate by saying aye.
06:43:51 Opposed, nay.
06:43:51 The ayes have it unanimously.
06:43:56 What's the pleasure of the council?
06:43:57 Who wants this ordinance?
06:43:58 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I'll move approval of this item.
06:44:08 Item number V-12-88 -- I'm sorry.
06:44:16 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Please read the ordinance.
06:44:16 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Yes, thank you.
06:44:19 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Mr. Chairman, I'm sorry. Did you want to
06:44:22 take up item 5 first?
06:44:24 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Yes.
06:44:25 Because without 5, there is no 6.
06:44:26 >>LISA MONTELIONE: That's why I was correcting myself to
06:44:29 take 5.
06:44:31 An ordinance vacating closing, discontinuing and abandoning
06:44:36 an alleyway east -- east of east of Mitchell street and
06:44:41 south of Bryan Avenue and north of forest Avenue in
06:44:45 Centralia subdivision a subdivision in the City of Tampa,
06:44:48 Hillsborough County the same being more fully described in
06:44:51 section 1 hereof authorizing the mayor to execute and the
06:44:55 city clerk to attest an indemnity agreement and bill of sale
06:45:00 transferring title to related wastewater facilities
06:45:05 providing an effective date.
06:45:07 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Second by Mr. Cohen.
06:45:08 All in favor of the motion indicate by saying aye.
06:45:10 Opposed, nay.
06:45:12 Motion passes 5-1.
06:45:13 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried with Reddick being absent and
06:45:17 Mulhern voting.
06:45:18 No second reading and adoption will be hemmed on May 3rd
06:45:23 at 9:30 a.m.
06:45:25 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: We go now to public hearing number 6.
06:45:31 We already made the same testimony.
06:45:35 >> Yes, sir, did we both presentations.
06:45:39 V-12-88, for the 15-space parking.
06:45:43 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: All right, petitioner?
06:45:45 >> Same.
06:45:49 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Now it's the same but at least say
06:45:53 One is the alley and the other is the special use.
06:45:55 >> Okay.
06:45:58 Basically a special use to allow 15 parking spaces on a
06:46:02 residentially zoned piece of property to service the
06:46:05 commercial piece of property for the proposed family dollar.
06:46:09 I can answer any questions.
06:46:11 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Any questions by council members?
06:46:12 Anyone in the audience care to speak on item number 6?
06:46:15 Please come forward.
06:46:25 >> I have already been sworn.
06:46:28 This again, the fact that there are almost three or four
06:46:32 family dollars within a half mile radius of this property --
06:46:41 >>LISA MONTELIONE: May I?
06:46:43 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Certainly, Ms. Montelione.
06:46:44 >>LISA MONTELIONE: When we look at applications for zonings
06:46:48 or special use applications, we cannot take into account any
06:46:51 economic type of circumstances.
06:46:54 All we can look at are the rules and regulations of the code
06:46:57 and whether or not --
06:46:58 >> So there's no code for the families with children around
06:47:01 that area?
06:47:03 There's in a code for that?
06:47:07 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Everyone has got children in the
06:47:11 >> Are your children in that neighborhood?
06:47:15 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I am not going to debate you.
06:47:16 I will tell you one time.
06:47:17 I am not going to debate you.
06:47:19 We are listening to the evidence and this council made a
06:47:21 finding of fact that all we can do -- now what?
06:47:24 When you have zonings, let me tell you what happens.
06:47:27 50% of you leave unhappy.
06:47:29 The other 50% leave somewhat happy.
06:47:32 And if you all come back, the one that left somewhat happy
06:47:35 will come back and be unhappy.
06:47:37 So if you both come back next month 100 percent of you will
06:47:40 be unhappy.
06:47:41 That's all I can tell you.
06:47:42 We live in an unhappy world.
06:47:44 >> This is a historical landmark area.
06:47:55 It should be made for the purpose of that.
06:47:58 A family dollar or off-street parking, commercial parking,
06:48:02 does not fit with the historical outlook of that area.
06:48:09 That is the concern: It's been that way basically because
06:48:12 of thousand whose houses were made there, because they are
06:48:17 single-family houses, because there are children in those
06:48:20 single-family houses.
06:48:20 So all of that plays a part into what is done in the zoning
06:48:23 of that.
06:48:25 You all have your rights of what you want to do but we have
06:48:30 our rights and that's what you have given me.
06:48:33 Thank you.
06:48:34 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
06:48:35 Let me say this, and I think I speak on behalf of the
06:48:38 No one here is to take anyone's rights away.
06:48:41 You are entitled to come here and speak and that's exactly
06:48:44 what we are doing.
06:48:44 And that's exactly way said earlier.
06:48:46 Next, please.
06:48:47 >> Kim Headland, president of the VM Ybor neighborhood.
06:48:56 The backside of that parcel that's zoned for residential is
06:49:01 zoned residential.
06:49:01 So it's those houses, used to say houses, and it's
06:49:07 unfortunate that we are at a point here where that entire
06:49:09 city block will be taken, those houses will now face
06:49:14 Yes, it's 30 feet back, and a minimal buffer.
06:49:19 And I'm sorry, there is no other parcel on Nebraska Avenue,
06:49:24 other commercial property on Nebraska Avenue, that has taken
06:49:27 over an entire city block.
06:49:30 Renting, checkers, all of those parcels were able to
06:49:33 accommodate and do what they needed to do without creating
06:49:39 special uses on residential property.
06:49:45 There's been no contact here, there's been no working with
06:49:47 the neighborhood, there's been no working with the immediate
06:49:50 neighbors short of posting a sign.
06:49:52 And the plans that come before you today has met with
06:49:57 unanimous opposition by the community.
06:49:58 Thank you.
06:50:00 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
06:50:01 Next, please.
06:50:01 >> Kelly Bailey again, 2701 north ninth street. I am just
06:50:06 begging to you please help preserve our historic fabric.
06:50:10 Those blocks were -- lots were residential lots, probably as
06:50:15 far back as the records were kept in the City of Tampa.
06:50:18 There is no way our neighborhood is ever going to improve
06:50:21 and start getting back to the historic fabric.
06:50:25 It keeps getting chipped off in these little parcels are
06:50:28 being used for things that are not in keeping of the
06:50:33 These are residential lots, and I'm sorry if the man bought
06:50:39 the property.
06:50:40 He was an investor.
06:50:41 He bought this parcel.
06:50:43 His plan was to market it all along as a planned development
06:50:46 from what I understand when I used to be in real estate.
06:50:49 I'm sorry that he walked on this if he doesn't go through.
06:50:52 Intentions should have been to be built to go back and build
06:50:55 historic-looking homes, or something within keeping of the
06:50:58 neighborhood, and I am courage you -- urge you, strongly
06:51:03 urging you to listen to our community.
06:51:05 We cannot afford to keep having areas of our neighborhood
06:51:08 taken away from possibly being developed back into a
06:51:11 residential historic home the way that it used to be years
06:51:14 and years ago.
06:51:15 Thank you.
06:51:16 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
06:51:18 Anyone else in the audience dire speak on this subject
06:51:20 matter before I go to Ms. Montelione?
06:51:24 Speak now or after the rebuttal?
06:51:26 >>LISA MONTELIONE: No.
06:51:27 Ms. Feeley?
06:51:34 Am I missing something?
06:51:35 Is there a historic overlay district on this property?
06:51:38 >>ABBYE FEELEY: Land development.
06:51:39 No, there is not.
06:51:40 This is not a historic district of the city.
06:51:43 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Okay, that's all.
06:51:47 Thank you.
06:51:51 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Petitioner?
06:51:51 You have your rebuttal.
06:51:53 >> As far as the parking on this site, we requested and
06:51:59 received a design exception to allow less parking than what
06:52:02 code requires.
06:52:04 So we have trade to minimize the parking in the back as
06:52:06 well, replaced the pond in the back as well to try to
06:52:10 minimize any impact we had on Mitchell.
06:52:15 Just one more photo of what's at the northeast corner of the
06:52:21 I mean, there is a block wall there.
06:52:26 Part of a structure at some point.
06:52:31 If I can answer any other questions.
06:52:32 >> We need a motion to close.
06:52:39 I have a motion by Ms. Montelione, second by Mrs. Mulhern to
06:52:43 All in favor of the motion?
06:52:45 Opposed nay?
06:52:46 The ayes have it unanimously.
06:52:48 Mr. Cohen, would you take number 6?
06:52:51 >>MIKE COHEN: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I move an ordinance
06:52:53 being presented for first reading consideration, an
06:52:55 ordinance approving a special use permit S-2 approving
06:52:59 parking off-street, commercial in an RS-50 residential
06:53:03 single-family and CG commercial general zoning district in
06:53:06 the general vicinity of 2802, 2804, 2806 and 2808 north
06:53:13 Nebraska Avenue, 2807 and 2809 Mitchell street and 806 east
06:53:19 forest Avenue, in the city of Tampa, Florida and as more
06:53:23 particularly described in section 1 hereof, providing an
06:53:26 effective date.
06:53:28 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion by Mr. Cohen.
06:53:30 I have a second by Ms. Montelione.
06:53:35 All in favor of the motion?
06:53:39 Conversation by council members?
06:53:41 Ms. Mulhern?
06:53:52 >>MARY MULHERN: I am not able to support this.
06:53:59 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Okay.
06:54:00 >>JULIA COLE: Excuse me.
06:54:06 I apologize.
06:54:08 I realize when you read the ordinance it included the CG use
06:54:12 of part of what you would be approving.
06:54:15 So if I could ask you to reread that title and not read the
06:54:19 term "and CG commercial general zoning district."
06:54:24 I can come up and strike it.
06:54:26 >> No, I'll do it.
06:54:27 >>JULIA COLE: And I'll amend the ordinance between first
06:54:29 and second reading and correct it.
06:54:35 I read it and she would like me to read it differently but
06:54:38 why don't you go ahead and I'll come back and do it again.
06:54:40 >>MARY MULHERN: I am not going to be able to support this
06:54:45 based on our code, general standard, 27-269, 2.1, the use
06:54:54 will ensure public health, safety and general welfare.
06:54:57 We heard from many people here who felt that having the
06:55:01 access on those side streets where their homes are located
06:55:05 would increase the amount of traffic and really wouldn't be
06:55:11 Also 27-269.3, the use is compatible with continuous and
06:55:18 surrounding property.
06:55:19 This is a single-family residential lot where they are
06:55:22 proposing -- entire city block which they are proposing to
06:55:27 put a parking lot in.
06:55:29 I don't believe that's compatible with the surrounding
06:55:35 single-family homes on the two side streets, and also
06:55:40 eliminates the possibility of redeveloping it for
06:55:44 single-family things.
06:55:50 Also, 27-269.5, the use will not establish a precedent or
06:55:57 encourage more intensive compatible uses in the area.
06:56:00 Once we start allowing parking lots, residential streets, we
06:56:04 know that that tends to allow more of those to happen.
06:56:09 We get that argument a lot from developers, and people who
06:56:12 want to turn residential lots into parking lots.
06:56:21 Also, under this same section, 2-B-1, ingress and egress,
06:56:30 this is dependent on allowing ingress and egress from the
06:56:35 side streets which are -- where there is residential
06:56:38 housing, which we heard people didn't want.
06:56:41 Also, under that same section, number 7, control of
06:56:44 potentially adverse effects generally, I think that we have
06:56:48 heard about what the potentially adverse effects are.
06:56:53 We heard from the public as destroying the character,
06:56:57 possible redevelopment of residential in that neighborhood.
06:57:00 Also looking at the comprehensive plan, consistency with
06:57:04 furthering the intent of the comprehensive plan, number 1,
06:57:07 mixed use corridor villages.
06:57:10 I think the idea of a village is broader mix does not mean
06:57:14 that you are eliminating the residential.
06:57:20 I think the idea of the village is the walkable area, not to
06:57:23 have parking lots and strip mall setting in a residential
06:57:30 Number 2, compatible development.
06:57:32 This is not compatible with the residential character of
06:57:36 this historic neighborhood which there are only a couple of
06:57:41 designated historic neighborhoods.
06:57:43 This doesn't mean that it is not historically a residential
06:57:50 Objective 16.1, objective 18.4, policy 18.4.1, areas
06:57:57 adjacent to or within neighborhoods that are planned for
06:58:00 nonresidential uses shall be developed in a manner which is
06:58:04 sensitive and compatible to the affected neighborhoods.
06:58:07 I think this obviously was not sensitive or compatible
06:58:10 according to the neighbors who live there.
06:58:15 Number 3, policy 18.6.5, require commercial uses to be
06:58:21 appropriately buffered from any residential development.
06:58:24 I don't think there's any way that you are able to buffer a
06:58:29 parking lot, and buffers that we heard were not acceptable
06:58:37 to the neighbors, and I think basically it's going to be a
06:58:40 parking lot.
06:58:41 And, you know, whatever you are going to put up there is not
06:58:44 going to be able to change that.
06:58:48 So I won't be supporting it.
06:58:52 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
06:58:52 Mr. Cohen.
06:58:54 Excuse me, Ms. Capin.
06:58:56 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Do you want to read it?
06:58:59 Ms. Feeley -- may I ask Ms. Feeley a question?
06:59:04 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Sure.
06:59:14 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Motion to reopen the public hearing
06:59:18 second by Mr. Cohen.
06:59:20 The hearing is now open.
06:59:21 Yes, ma'am.
06:59:23 >>YVONNE CAPIN: The ingress and egress on Nebraska Avenue,
06:59:26 that property, if there was a resident there, they build a
06:59:32 house on any one of those lots, they have to -- they have to
06:59:39 allow ingress and egress from Nebraska, the state road
06:59:48 >>ABBYE FEELEY: Land development.
06:59:49 No, ma'am, it would depend first how the lots are actually
06:59:52 platted or how the lots are actually laid out as to where
06:59:55 their access could potentially be.
06:59:58 If they only had frontage on Nebraska, I mean, that would
07:00:01 have to be like a mid-block type of situation if you have
07:00:06 you have those lots.
07:00:12 If this were Nebraska -- sorry for the archaic.
07:00:15 You can kind of see on here it looks like potentially eight
07:00:19 platted lots.
07:00:20 Four were platted towards Nebraska.
07:00:22 So at worst-case scenario the north one and the south one --
07:00:27 and I don't know if you can see those dark lines that are in
07:00:31 Frank, if you are back there, help me out.
07:00:33 >> That's okay, I don't mean need my eyesight.
07:00:39 >> I have it here in front of me.
07:00:46 >>ABBYE FEELEY: At worse case, this north-south -- the
07:00:52 north-south would not be landlocked.
07:00:54 They would have other streets.
07:00:55 They would have Bryan and forest to access.
07:00:58 But the two in the center would be landlocked or could
07:01:04 perhaps be alley loaded.
07:01:05 It would all depend on the layout of those lots.
07:01:08 And then how the access would be granted.
07:01:14 However, single-family residential in the CG would be
07:01:17 special use.
07:01:18 >> It would be special use.
07:01:21 The next one is, anything that is developed on this land
07:01:26 will not have -- or it denied access to Nebraska.
07:01:34 >> Yes, the CG property, fountain came in today without the
07:01:40 need for the back portion, is going to get access on either
07:01:43 forest or Brian.
07:01:44 Yes, ma'am.
07:01:46 That is a correct statement.
07:01:49 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Thank you.
07:01:50 So whether it's this business or another business, that's
07:01:53 the access?
07:01:54 >> That's correct.
07:01:56 If D.O.T. has denied the access, we have to give them access
07:02:01 to one of the other streets that the property borders,
07:02:05 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Any other questions by council members at
07:02:07 this time?
07:02:07 Petitioner, tough last word.
07:02:09 >> I agree with everything they she just said.
07:02:21 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Motion to close by Mrs. Montelione,
07:02:23 second by Mr. Cohen.
07:02:24 All in favor?
07:02:25 The ayes have it unanimously.
07:02:27 Mr. Cohen?
07:02:28 >>HARRY COHEN: I am going re-read the ordinance.
07:02:31 I move an ordinance being presented for first reading
07:02:34 consideration, an ordinance approving a special use permit
07:02:38 S-2, approving parking off-street commercial in an RS-50
07:02:44 residential single-family in the general vicinity of 2802,
07:02:50 2804, 2806 and 2808 north Nebraska Avenue, 2807 and 2809
07:02:57 Mitchell street and 806 east forest Avenue in the city of
07:03:01 Tampa, Florida and as more particularly described in section
07:03:04 1 hereof providing an effective date.
07:03:07 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion by Mr. Cohen, I have a
07:03:09 second by Mrs. Montelione.
07:03:10 All in favor of the motion please indicate by saying aye.
07:03:13 Opposed, nay.
07:03:15 Motion passes 5-1.
07:03:17 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried with Reddick being absent and
07:03:20 Mulhern voting.
07:03:21 No second reading will be on May 3rd at 9:30 a.m.
07:03:26 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you for attending.
07:03:27 Item number 7.
07:03:46 >>ABBYE FEELEY: Land Development Coordination.
07:03:48 Item number 7 on your agenda is Z-12-12 located at 3200 west
07:03:53 Hillsborough Avenue.
07:03:54 The request before you this evening is an RS-50 residential
07:03:58 single-family and CG commercial general to PD, planned
07:04:01 development, for a restaurant.
07:04:06 There is one waiver being requested with this application,
07:04:09 and that is to allow for a reduction of the required parking
07:04:12 from eleven spaces to eight spaces.
07:04:24 >>TONY GARCIA: Planning Commission staff.
07:04:25 I have been sworn.
07:04:30 I think as you know, this is one of the cases in the central
07:04:35 planning district.
07:04:40 To give you some context, this site is located on the
07:04:43 southern face of Hillsborough Avenue.
07:04:46 This is Hillsborough Avenue right here.
07:04:47 This is just about in between Himes and Havana as far as
07:04:54 where the lights are at, on this particular segment of
07:04:57 Hillsborough Avenue.
07:05:02 As you go a little farther to the west you see Dale Mabry.
07:05:07 I will show you that when I show you the aerial. Anyway,
07:05:09 Hillsborough Avenue is a major transit corridor.
07:05:12 It's a commercial corridor.
07:05:13 We have a variety of CI, as you can see, community 35.
07:05:20 The CMU 35 allows neighborhood commercial and general
07:05:23 commercial uses.
07:05:24 The site in question, the subject site is basically
07:05:27 presently operated as a restaurant use, bring it in as a PD
07:05:34 to modify the use to better functionality of the site
07:05:47 This one is a little bit -- you can see relatively speaking
07:05:50 what the character is on Hillsborough Avenue.
07:05:54 It's a major arterial at commercial corridor.
07:05:59 That is its character.
07:06:00 Planning Commission staff found the proposed request to
07:06:03 modify the existing use consistent with the comprehensive
07:06:15 >>ABBYE FEELEY: Land Development Coordination.
07:06:25 The request before you tonight, if I may just speak on the
07:06:34 record but off the record.
07:06:35 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: We are always off and on the record at
07:06:38 the same time.
07:06:38 >>ABBYE FEELEY: I know.
07:06:43 Here is the situation.
07:06:46 The site is shown here in green.
07:06:48 Hillsborough to the north.
07:06:51 Givens to the south.
07:06:52 Jamaica to the east.
07:06:53 Matanzas to the west.
07:06:55 The zoning lot is actually a split zoning.
07:06:59 It's commercial general to the front and it's residential in
07:07:02 the back.
07:07:04 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: A duplex.
07:07:05 >>LISA MONTELIONE: What a surprise.
07:07:07 >>ABBYE FEELEY: But this commercial general comes all the
07:07:12 way back.
07:07:12 Then there was this one little sliver.
07:07:16 And then it jogs back all the way down again.
07:07:18 Because next to this is a motel.
07:07:22 This over here is a medical office.
07:07:24 This over here is the trailer place, like boat trailers
07:07:30 and -- okay.
07:07:32 And all of this up here --
07:07:36 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Right to the east is your auto parts, and
07:07:39 further down is your tire place.
07:07:42 That's on MacDill and Gomez.
07:07:45 >>ABBYE FEELEY: Yes, sir.
07:07:47 So we have got a little situation here.
07:07:52 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: And your sidewalk doesn't show there on
07:07:53 the eastern side.
07:07:54 >>ABBYE FEELEY: Yeah.
07:07:59 Sorry about that.
07:08:02 So that being said, parking has been occurring in the RS-50
07:08:07 portion of this site, which is not an allowable use as we
07:08:11 know, because it either requires a special use, like on the
07:08:16 previous application, which just came before you, or it
07:08:21 required it all to be commercial, or it would potentially
07:08:25 what's buff tonight, a PD zoning.
07:08:28 So everything about that invisible line in the CG is legal,
07:08:38 some of it may be nonconform, it was built back in 1947 so
07:08:42 it may not be true to CG, kind of small, tight site there,
07:08:49 but we needed to go ahead and bring this area back here that
07:08:52 is being utilized for the parking and make that legal, and
07:08:55 that's really what's before you tonight.
07:08:57 I am going show you some pictures of the site, the popular
07:09:06 It is a sandwich show. And you are going to see this, too
07:09:11 another FDOT roadway.
07:09:13 They did ask that these be installed to prevent traffic from
07:09:18 backing out into the driveway.
07:09:20 Those were done a little while ago.
07:09:22 There's another shot.
07:09:24 As you can see now, there is parking that occur as long
07:09:27 Jamaica and back into the right-of-way.
07:09:31 And what the plan before you will do, Mr. Miranda --
07:09:43 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Just letting motorcycles in.
07:09:46 >>ABBYE FEELEY: But not his Volkswagen.
07:09:52 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I do have one.
07:09:52 >>ABBYE FEELEY: Here is the hotel to the west.
07:09:54 Medical office to the east.
07:09:56 This is a look from givens back north.
07:10:00 There is residential on the south side of givens.
07:10:07 Here is a look back at Jamaica.
07:10:10 Here is from the intersection of Jamaica and givens looking
07:10:16 This is the frontage.
07:10:19 The frontage of residential is really an east-west
07:10:23 orientation, not a north-south orientation along there so
07:10:26 this will not be emptying into people's front yards.
07:10:29 It will be their side or rear yard.
07:10:32 This is the boat trailer place.
07:10:40 This is from givens looking back north best, some of the
07:10:43 Here is the back of the hotel site next door.
07:10:50 This is looking east on givens.
07:10:55 And then I just have some other -- and this is north across,
07:11:00 but Hillsborough. You can see the commercial to the north.
07:11:05 There is auto parts place that you referred to.
07:11:12 So on the site plan, and I can show you a little bit.
07:11:35 The other factor in this was the 32-inch off-site oak just
07:11:41 to the west so we had to provide for accommodation.
07:12:04 So this area where you are currently having cars parked is
07:12:06 actually going to be restored to the required buffer,
07:12:09 restored, and then the parking spaces are going to come in
07:12:14 at an angle, and there will be also two spaces on the other
07:12:19 In addition to that, the solid waste is going to come into
07:12:22 compliance with the addition of the required enclosure,
07:12:25 solid waste will come in and leave the site.
07:12:31 And given the size, and depth, it's only 50 feet, as much as
07:12:37 we can accommodate what is going on in the right-of-way and
07:12:41 also to provide required parking in a way that was
07:12:44 consistent with code.
07:12:52 That being said, the request is to add the PD for a
07:13:00 restaurant and to add the commercial off-street parking
07:13:03 within the residential portion of the zoning law. There is
07:13:05 an existing 1400 square foot restaurant there, 1478 to be
07:13:10 The site itself contains 13,258 square feet.
07:13:16 I went through the access and how the site will function.
07:13:22 And the proposed setbacks are based on the existing building
07:13:25 that's out there, the north, the front would be 10 feet, the
07:13:28 existing building is at 20.8, but given CG we kept the
07:13:32 10-foot which would be the standard for that zoning
07:13:35 The south, which is the rear from givens to the building is
07:13:39 110 feet from the property line.
07:13:41 The west is nine feet and the east is five feet.
07:13:45 The maximum building height is proposed at 1 feet.
07:13:56 The required parking is 11, and 8 spaces is what is provided
07:14:01 based on the configuration of what we were able to achieve
07:14:04 That is more than 20% of the required parking.
07:14:07 Therefore, transportation does have an objection to the
07:14:10 parking waiver being requested.
07:14:13 They are here this evening if you would like to talk with
07:14:18 They'll show you the iterations we went through.
07:14:21 Other than that, staff is available for any questions.
07:14:25 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
07:14:25 >> Oh, I'm sorry, there are some minor modifications between
07:14:33 first and second reading.
07:14:38 I have them on the revision sheet.
07:14:42 Just a couple items for land development, CG ands is 50 to
07:14:48 PD, that the existing zoning under the site data table also
07:14:51 be corrected it.
07:14:52 That the building height be provided on the site plan at 25
07:14:56 feet, that the direction of the building setbacks be listed,
07:15:02 and then also the building setbacks are as requested in my
07:15:07 staff report.
07:15:08 Lastly, natural resources to workshop meeting like a note
07:15:11 added on the site plan that asphalt within the protected aid
07:15:14 use would be removed by hand under supervision of an
07:15:18 If it is council's pleasure to approve this rezoning
07:15:20 tonight, I would ask that you reference the proposed -- the
07:15:24 required revision sheet as part of the motion.
07:15:28 Thank you.
07:15:28 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
07:15:30 >> My name is Mario Espaillat, and I have been sworn.
07:15:46 We have been working with the staff for the past three or
07:15:49 four months working on parking and making sure we are into
07:15:54 the code.
07:15:55 And we lost a few parking here and there and are trying to
07:16:03 get the maximum amount of parking.
07:16:05 I am going to show -- I think Abbye didn't show the right --
07:16:15 the parking at the end here came up and we came up with
07:16:18 another parking.
07:16:21 We want a wider driveway so the garbage truck can turn
07:16:25 easily to get in and out of there.
07:16:36 I am going to show you pictures that we were talking about
07:16:44 And this aerial picture here, there was a big tree here and
07:16:52 it was taken out.
07:16:55 But this is the rear of the property that she was talking
07:16:58 about that needs to be on the compliance.
07:17:00 That's why we went to a PD so we can solve the problem and
07:17:04 try to get as much parking as we could.
07:17:08 I'm open for any questions that you have.
07:17:14 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Mrs. Montelione?
07:17:16 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Thank you.
07:17:17 I know this is going to shock staff because usually I am
07:17:19 trying to lessen parking and not create parking but I really
07:17:22 want to help you get more parking out of this site, because
07:17:27 from the looks of how the lot is being utilized, there are a
07:17:35 lot of cars parked in there, and logically speaking, looking
07:17:39 at eight spaces, you are still going to have a parking
07:17:46 Because I don't think there's still adequate parking with
07:17:51 eight spaces.
07:17:52 And it seems to me that we have got some landscaping along
07:17:56 here that is probably required, but if we were to listen
07:18:04 landscaping along this northern boundary that was adjacent
07:18:11 to the medical office, the eastern boundary -- oh, I'm on a
07:18:18 different -- I'm sorry.
07:18:19 >> Jonathan Scott from transportation is here tonight.
07:18:24 We did actually layout with buffering and we can't pick up
07:18:28 any additional legal spaces.
07:18:30 So I will let him show you on the layout, but did he go
07:18:32 ahead and prepare that because we thought that you might be
07:18:37 looking for some additional options.
07:18:38 So we'll let him talk about that.
07:18:43 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I'm very impressed.
07:18:47 Thank you.
07:18:47 >> Jonathan Scott, Transportation Planning.
07:18:49 Did we look as getting as much parking as we possibly could
07:18:54 and the applicant did a great job working on.
07:18:56 This but to answer your question, if I can get this in
07:19:04 It is better to keep a parking lot with trees and green
07:19:26 You never want to pave the whole thing but if you did, you
07:19:34 gain two spaces down to the south here.
07:19:38 But if you did that, Lou at -- this is the solid waste truck
07:19:42 that would have to push the driveway back here too close to
07:19:45 the corner, so it wouldn't work.
07:19:50 So to answer your question, we didn't look at that.
07:19:52 But an alternative to get more parking there.
07:20:08 The D.O.T. didn't want us to designate legal spaces, since
07:20:13 people were back out onto Hillsborough.
07:20:19 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Not even one space?
07:20:23 >> We didn't want to designate it as an official, legal
07:20:27 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Okay.
07:20:31 Never mind.
07:20:31 >> This portion here, right-of-way north of this is city
07:20:35 right-of-way here, parking spaces there, office space here,
07:20:43 small grand tree, and we did move the space here.
07:20:47 So if you look at the solid waste here, what we did to
07:20:54 improve this site, we just hashed out that space.
07:20:58 Someone can still make -- can still park there.
07:21:03 But it's not a designated legal space either.
07:21:10 We tried to make it as flexible.
07:21:13 An idea of putting one more space in there.
07:21:17 Getting this thing to be less than 20% reduction.
07:21:20 We brought the solid waste truck in, and knock out some
07:21:23 spaces, and we did look at every possible angle.
07:21:29 And I think it is better to leave the trees in, would look a
07:21:35 lot better to the neighbors, and just a visual aspect of it.
07:21:39 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Okay, thank you.
07:21:41 Anyone else?
07:21:49 Ann in the audience care to speak on this subject matter,
07:21:51 item number 7?
07:21:52 Please come forward.
07:21:53 >>HARRY COHEN: Motion to close.
07:21:57 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Motion to close by Mr. Cohen.
07:21:58 Second by Mrs. Montelione.
07:22:00 All in favor?
07:22:02 The ayes have it unanimous.
07:22:04 Mr. Suarez, would you kindly take number 7?
07:22:07 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Yes, sir.
07:22:11 I move an ordinance being presented for first reading
07:22:13 An ordinance rezoning property in the general vicinity of
07:22:16 3200 west Hillsborough Avenue in the city of Tampa, Florida
07:22:20 and more particularly described in section 1 from zoning
07:22:23 district classification RS-50 residential single-family and
07:22:28 CG commercial general to PD planned development, restaurant,
07:22:32 providing an effective date.
07:22:34 Including the revision sheet as provided by Ms. Feeley.
07:22:39 >>HARRY COHEN: Second.
07:22:41 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a second by Mr. Cohen on item
07:22:42 number 7 for approval.
07:22:43 All in favor of the motion?
07:22:47 Motion passes unanimously.
07:22:48 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried with Reddick being absent and
07:22:51 Capin and Mulhern absent at vote.
07:22:54 Second reading and adoption will be on May 3rd at 9:30
07:23:00 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Okay.
07:23:00 Item 8 and 9 were taken care of earlier.
07:23:04 We go to item number 10.
07:23:13 >>ABBYE FEELEY: Land Development Coordination.
07:23:15 Item number 10 on your agenda this evening is Z-12-17
07:23:19 located at 6202 north Central Avenue.
07:23:23 And the request before you tonight is from an RS-50
07:23:26 residential single-family to SH-CG Seminole Heights
07:23:30 commercial general.
07:23:31 This is the Euclidean rezoning request and therefore no
07:23:34 waivers can be requested at this time.
07:23:41 I am going to take a few minutes and go through this report
07:23:43 and some of your newly adopted code so that we look at the
07:23:47 SH-CG district, because this is only your second SH rezoning
07:23:52 that has come before you since the newly form based code was
07:23:58 That code, your form-based code for the Seminole Heights
07:24:01 district was adopted over a year ago, March 24th, 2011,
07:24:06 was the adoption date of the ordinance.
07:24:08 So it has been in effect.
07:24:13 The applicant is looking to rezoning the property at 6202
07:24:16 north Central Avenue from RS-50 to Seminole Heights
07:24:18 commercial general to allow for commercial use of the
07:24:23 Such property measures 73 by 120 and is located at the
07:24:26 northwest corner of Hanna street and Central Avenue.
07:24:30 The property recently underwent a comprehensive land use
07:24:33 change from the R-20 to CMU, 35, community mixed use 35, in
07:24:39 accordance with the Seminole Heights plans.
07:24:43 Minimum site requirements for Seminole Heights CG is 7500.
07:24:48 Lot area, 75, and the 10-foot front, 10-foot side street,
07:24:59 zero foot side interior and 15 for your setback.
07:25:04 In the Seminole Heights commercial general zoning district,
07:25:06 the maximum building height is three stories at 45 feet.
07:25:10 Per the provisions of chapter 27-548.6, record established
07:25:17 prior to July 1st, 2010 shall be allowed to develop
07:25:20 subject to the regulations set forth prior in this article.
07:25:24 The subject property is the lot of record prior to this date
07:25:28 and may therefore request to rezoning to Seminole Heights CG
07:25:33 Before I show you the pictures of the site, the zoning
07:25:35 atlas, let me go ahead and let Tony do his presentation, and
07:25:39 then I will follow back. Thank you.
07:25:50 >>TONY GARCIA: Planning Commission staff.
07:25:51 I have been sworn in.
07:25:54 To add onto a couple of comments that Ms. Feeley has already
07:25:57 stated, this particular area of greater Seminole Heights has
07:26:01 the distinction of having a prefix in front of a zoning
07:26:05 There's only two areas in the City of Tampa that currently
07:26:08 share that distinction.
07:26:09 Seminole Heights and Ybor City.
07:26:10 You have the YC zoning districts, and you now have your
07:26:14 Seminole Heights with the prefix SH which basically lends to
07:26:19 be particular things that are allowed from a developmental
07:26:22 and form based aspect, using form based codes which will be
07:26:26 implemented in the greater Seminole Heights area, the only
07:26:28 area that can currently be used in that particular approach,
07:26:31 along with 40th Street which they are currently working on
07:26:34 the plan.
07:26:34 But as Ms. Feeley stated, these particular lots have already
07:26:39 undergone a comprehensive land use change from residential
07:26:41 to CMU 35 and may I state for record the parcels from the
07:26:45 south from east Hanna have the designation of mixed use 35.
07:26:52 This is an error on the map.
07:26:53 So these also share the CMU 35 designation.
07:26:57 There were quite a few, of course of those you sitting at
07:27:02 council, we did the comprehensive changes, we noted there
07:27:05 was a significant amount of parcels along the collector road
07:27:08 and along the major arterial roads to reflect these changes
07:27:11 to allow more economic development opportunity in the
07:27:16 residential density potential in certain areas of the
07:27:19 Seminole Heights area.
07:27:23 This is for change of use.
07:27:25 There is an existing single-family residence on the site
07:27:27 that can be used for this particular use.
07:27:30 Of course, CG, Seminole Heights CG does offer a particular
07:27:36 degree of certain types of uses on their use table.
07:27:40 If anything were to be built different that would require
07:27:42 the demolition potentially of this particular site, whatever
07:27:46 was to be built on this site would have to conform to the
07:27:49 form-based code standards and be complementary and with the
07:27:53 surrounding area along this particular area of Central
07:27:55 Avenue and Hanna.
07:27:57 Planning Commission staff found the proposed request for the
07:27:59 particular change of use consistent with the comprehensive
07:28:10 >>ABBYE FEELEY: Land Development Coordination.
07:28:18 So right now with the adoption of the land development
07:28:20 regulation for Seminole Heights, the next step in this
07:28:23 process is the area-wide rezoning.
07:28:25 That has not happened yet.
07:28:27 So any one rezoning within this area must rezoning to one of
07:28:31 the Seminole Heights form-based code districts, which is
07:28:35 what is before you tonight.
07:28:44 Subject property is shown in green.
07:28:47 It is a commercial -- what actually we would call storefront
07:28:52 There are three units in the back, and there are storefronts
07:28:55 along Central Avenue.
07:28:59 This is the Seminole Heights school.
07:29:02 And then also Seminole Heights back of the church.
07:29:14 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: There's one mistake your whole life.
07:29:18 >> I'm just hanging on.
07:29:23 If I can make it through tomorrow without logs an append
07:29:33 annal, I will be good.
07:29:35 Here is the subject property.
07:29:36 As Tony said, it is a single-family residence.
07:29:39 It is alley loaded.
07:29:41 I'll show you some pictures of that.
07:29:43 It's a short block in between Hanna and Jean, there are
07:29:48 three residential properties there.
07:29:49 Here is another view.
07:29:54 Here is another view.
07:29:57 Properties to the north.
07:30:00 Also moving north.
07:30:02 Way did is I went down Jean and I went down the alley behind
07:30:05 the property.
07:30:06 This is a look from the alley back towards Central Avenue.
07:30:20 The northeast corner where the school is -- my pictures got
07:30:25 out of order.
07:30:26 When you come out of the alley, this is the south side of
07:30:35 And this is the east side of the property, the storefront
07:30:40 residential piece that I mentioned to you that is at some
07:30:44 southwest corner so it is in line and depth with where the
07:30:48 alley comes out for the subject property.
07:30:53 Here is a look back north on central.
07:30:58 Here is the church at the southeast corner.
07:31:05 This is from the south side looking north.
07:31:10 And then I had one more of the frontage of the school.
07:31:21 Tony talked a little bit about the vision plan.
07:31:25 In the vision plan, as the neighborhood knows, here at
07:31:29 central and Hanna, and I would like to say, this is one of
07:31:34 the applications before you.
07:31:37 I would like to take just a minute and talk about the
07:31:40 potential development on this property.
07:31:45 It is to either use the existing structure and meet all
07:31:48 codes, which means there is no parking waivers before you
07:31:52 tonight, there's no setback waivers, whatever use would go
07:31:57 into this property would need to meet all codes under the
07:32:02 That would be applicable at the time they pulled the permit.
07:32:04 If they are utilizing or reutilizing the existing structure,
07:32:08 then of course the go-to lines and the things that would
07:32:12 affect the new structure are not going take place at that
07:32:15 In the future, should that structure be eliminated, and a
07:32:21 new structure be built, whatever use -- I don't want to talk
07:32:26 about use, because the form-based code, part of the vision
07:32:29 of the form-based code was that was formed overuse.
07:32:34 This is the built-to lines and the layout as part of the new
07:32:40 And you will see, we took many pages of commercial zoning
07:32:43 code and put it into two pages.
07:32:47 This has the built-to lines, both for the front, for the
07:32:52 It also has parking placement needs to be.
07:32:56 So as soon as the existing structure were to be removed from
07:32:59 this site, this would be the form-based code for the
07:33:05 built-to lines would then take effect for any future use.
07:33:10 Not only that, the architectural finishes, the required
07:33:14 frontages, the uses on the ground floor and upper floor, all
07:33:17 of this is now codified in the Seminole Heights code,
07:33:21 section 27-548, which would now require that there's minimum
07:33:27 transparency along the ground floor, 40%, for all
07:33:31 nonresidential uses, there's a maximum allowable aluminum
07:33:35 metal siding, plastic PVC that could be used, so any future
07:33:40 development that would take place outside of utilizing the
07:33:42 existing building would need to succumb to these form-based
07:33:47 standards that is now in place on the property.
07:33:48 I just want to be clear on that.
07:33:51 Because I know there are some concerns that you will hear
07:33:54 tonight as to potential uses that could occupy this site,
07:34:00 potential uses that may not be appropriate.
07:34:03 What the neighborhood has said in the vision plan is that
07:34:06 this forum -- form has been S appropriate and that form has
07:34:10 been codified and it requires that buildings be brought up
07:34:13 to the front, that there are build-to lines, that there are
07:34:16 minimum standards for what can take place on the ground
07:34:19 floor and upper floor levels, and that is what is in place
07:34:22 on this property should the zoning change today, or should
07:34:25 it the pleasure of council to approve that.
07:34:28 I just want to be clear on that.
07:34:33 This lot does meet the minimum standards to apply to
07:34:36 rezoning, and this is what the S before you tonight.
07:34:38 >>MARY MULHERN: Ms. Feeley, what you just said, so this is
07:34:47 Central Avenue, which has a lot of residential on it.
07:34:56 And does the form-based code require you to build enclosures
07:35:02 to the street than what the -- really?
07:35:09 Even in a historic neighborhood where we are talking
07:35:11 about --
07:35:13 >> This is not within the historic district.
07:35:18 >> This is a neighborhood.
07:35:20 >> I understand.
07:35:28 This is immediately to the south.
07:35:29 This is Central Avenue with on-street parking in front.
07:35:32 And a new building structure.
07:35:34 Fountain were to go on properties to the north would be in
07:35:37 keeping with this.
07:35:39 >>MARY MULHERN: Even if it's a new building that would be
07:35:43 in place of a historic residential home with a front?
07:35:54 >>ABBYE FEELEY: I'm sorry, I'm not understanding your
07:35:58 >>MARY MULHERN: Maybe I missed something.
07:35:59 Could you show the picture again of the site, the property?
07:36:02 >>ABBYE FEELEY: Sure.
07:36:03 >>MARY MULHERN: It's a house with a front yard.
07:36:11 Is that it?
07:36:15 That's Central Avenue?
07:36:18 >>ABBYE FEELEY: Yes, ma'am.
07:36:19 >>MARY MULHERN: This is a form-based code, the Seminole
07:36:21 Heights neighborhood, and we adopted, says that if you were
07:36:25 to replace that, you would have to build up to the street?
07:36:32 >>ABBYE FEELEY: There is a built-to line which is basically
07:36:34 a minimum setback line, that you bring the building to that
07:36:48 It's not on the property.
07:36:50 >> The house right now is at 20.8 feet.
07:36:53 So the 9.5-foot side yard, okay?
07:36:58 The build-to line would be 10-foot.
07:37:03 Should this be demolished.
07:37:05 I don't believe it's the applicant's desire to demolish it
07:37:08 at this time.
07:37:08 I believe it's their desire to reuse it.
07:37:11 I just want to be clear that in the future, should it be
07:37:15 demolished, it would have to be built to the built-to line
07:37:18 which would be a 10-foot and would be consistent with the
07:37:22 compatible -- consistent with the commercial.
07:37:28 >>MARY MULHERN: That doesn't make sense, but we adopted it,
07:37:31 so I guess we would have to go back and look at what we
07:37:34 adopted as the code.
07:37:35 >>HARRY COHEN: Any other questions?
07:37:40 I think we are going to hear from the petitioner now.
07:37:43 >> My name is Juan Camacho, the property owner at 6202 north
07:37:53 central, as well as the co-owner of the business being
07:37:56 proposed to go there.
07:37:58 Mr. Garcia and Ms. Feeley did a great job sum rising my
07:38:02 rezoning Q.I would like to expand a little bit on the use
07:38:06 purpose, specialty retail.
07:38:11 I have provided a packet, an overview of the business.
07:38:15 At this time if I could approach to give you guys that
07:38:34 >>LISA MONTELIONE: As I said in the last hearing we may
07:38:37 really like it or we may really hate it.
07:38:39 It doesn't matter what the business is going to be.
07:38:41 I just wanted to clarify again the actual economic use of
07:38:45 the property doesn't come into bearing when considering --
07:38:50 >> I understand.
07:38:51 The purpose is to insinuate that I don't intend to demolish
07:38:55 the building.
07:38:56 I intend to use it, and also go ahead and meet the
07:39:03 requirements of the Tampa comprehensive plan.
07:39:08 The product features are consistent, all hand made decor
07:39:13 created by local artist.
07:39:15 You will notice on the front of the packet, it's just an
07:39:18 example of some of the art work that will be featured.
07:39:25 The inside space we are going to be enhancing the outside
07:39:28 landscaping to create a garden setting for use of baby
07:39:37 We have reached out besides a good neighbor notice to
07:39:39 explain the usage, and to entertain any questions.
07:39:43 Included in the packet, you will find copies of e-mails, one
07:39:47 being from members of the Old Seminole Heights neighborhood
07:39:53 We are involving ourselves with that corner with the intent
07:39:58 to create a productive intersection in the walkable
07:40:01 community that can be enjoyed by all.
07:40:06 At this time I am available for any questions.
07:40:07 >> Any questions by council members?
07:40:13 Okay, anyone in the audience care to come speak on this
07:40:15 item, item number 10?
07:40:26 >> Bill Duvall, 5408 Branch Avenue, and I have been sworn.
07:40:42 I'm here tonight representing the Seminole Heights United
07:40:46 Methodist Church, which is on the southwest -- southeast
07:40:51 corner of central and Hanna, so well protected intersection
07:40:57 with the elementary school to the northeast, and commercial
07:41:02 to the southwest.
07:41:05 The church has no objection to the use that is proposed, the
07:41:13 children's boutique.
07:41:14 Of concern is the other possible uses of CG in the future.
07:41:19 And as we read from the manual, things like appliance
07:41:27 repair, repair, I know there's in a certainty that can
07:41:34 happen, but because county occur, the church felt that they
07:41:37 could not support that.
07:41:38 On the other hand, they would support the proposed use.
07:41:45 Thanks very much.
07:41:46 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you.
07:41:46 Next, please.
07:41:48 >> Christie Hess, 1011 East Broad Street. I have been
07:41:56 The other people speaking before you tonight did attend the
07:41:58 form-based meetings, the many meetings we all attended, the
07:42:03 charrettes, to talk about uses in addition to the forms that
07:42:09 we wanted to see in our neighborhood.
07:42:10 When this first forward it was a surprise to many of to us
07:42:14 find that appliance and equipment repair and small vehicle
07:42:19 repair minor or accessible uses in our neighborhood.
07:42:24 We would absolutely never have agreed to that.
07:42:27 And that is why you are seeing opposition here tonight to
07:42:30 the fact that this is being upzoned to commercial SH-CG when
07:42:38 normally, you know, you would not have expected to see us
07:42:42 But had we realized that this slipped through without us
07:42:47 really considering the fact that it was there, we would have
07:42:52 opposed it a long time ago.
07:42:54 The uses would never have been included in this table.
07:42:57 That's why you are seeing the opposition that you are seeing
07:43:00 I request that you deny this request for this rezoning
07:43:05 request, and I also think that we need to go back through
07:43:09 and look at some of these tables and ensure that the uses
07:43:12 that are contained in these tables are really what the
07:43:15 neighborhood wanted.
07:43:17 We are also surprised and didn't really realize that
07:43:20 form-based zoning had actually been fully adopted a year
07:43:24 That's my comment.
07:43:25 Thank you very much.
07:43:27 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you.
07:43:27 Next, please.
07:43:31 >> Wesley long, president, terrace neighborhood association.
07:43:35 We oppose this petition.
07:43:37 Many of our members use the on-street parking there, which
07:43:41 would be much more difficult to do if this would take place.
07:43:45 We support development, but not at the expense of the
07:43:48 existing businesses.
07:43:50 We ask that you deny the petition. Thank you.
07:43:53 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you.
07:43:54 Next, please.
07:43:54 >> Susan Long, vice-president of the Seminole Heights --
07:44:00 excuse me, of the business guild of Seminole Heights.
07:44:03 Let me get it in the right order here.
07:44:05 The board asked me to come read their letter into the
07:44:08 The above property is located on the northwest corner of
07:44:10 central and Hanna, currently being considered for rezoning
07:44:13 from RS-50 to SH-CG.
07:44:17 To start a baby boutique that will sell baby items and hold
07:44:21 baby showers.
07:44:22 We cannot imagine anyone being opposed to a baby boutique on
07:44:25 that corner.
07:44:26 The issue however is rezoning properties to SH-CG.
07:44:29 If you are well aware if the baby boutique leaves the
07:44:32 property, a business can come in without any input from the
07:44:36 neighborhood or the city based on the current SH-CG zoning,
07:44:40 a small auto repair shop could be operated out of that
07:44:43 property, or for a hospital if they are two aggregate
07:44:46 sufficient property, a bowling alley, a pharmacy, equipment
07:44:49 repair, small auto repair, et cetera could operate from that
07:44:54 This is the most beautiful street in Seminole Heights, it's
07:44:57 our pride and joy.
07:44:58 Only a few blocks north of the Seminole Heights Garden
07:45:01 Center and across the street from the historic district.
07:45:05 We agreed that small businesses could be on Central Avenue.
07:45:09 We agreed that residential office would be appropriate, and
07:45:12 light retail similar to the small shops in the southwest
07:45:15 corner of central and Hanna would also be appropriate.
07:45:17 But auto repair, equipment repair are not.
07:45:20 The flavor of the street is residential, or residential
07:45:25 Although there are exceptions, Seminole Heights United
07:45:27 Methodist Church and Seminole Heights elementary school,
07:45:31 none of the businesses on Central Avenue have the flavor
07:45:34 and/or appearance of an auto repair shop or equipment repair
07:45:37 Rezoning this property to SHAG would be a disaster.
07:45:40 We would encourage the property owners to rezoning this
07:45:43 property PD to maintain the beautiful appearance of Central
07:45:45 Avenue even after the baby boutique has left our
07:45:50 neighborhood sometime in the future, and hopefully leave
07:45:55 because they needed more space.
07:45:57 We found the possibility of equipment repair and auto repair
07:46:00 on the corner of Hanna an central very upsetting.
07:46:03 Please vote no on this rezoning.
07:46:05 I also have an extremely brief letter, honorable City
07:46:10 Council members, I am against this property on the northwest
07:46:12 corner of central and Hanna being rezoned to CG, to up this
07:46:17 beautiful corner in Seminole Heights to any number of
07:46:19 businesses that will be detrimental to our neighborhood.
07:46:22 A zoning of PD is a much more appropriate choice.
07:46:25 Signed rich Gugliardo, Seminole Heights civic association.
07:46:31 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
07:46:32 Next, please.
07:46:33 >> I have a couple of extra minutes.
07:46:40 >> The names on this list, Chloe Davis, please raise your
07:46:51 hand if you are here.
07:46:52 Thank you.
07:46:52 And Bailey is the last name.
07:46:54 Thank you.
07:46:55 Two extra minutes, please.
07:47:12 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: On go on.
07:47:13 >> I'm sorry.
07:47:14 My name is Alan Dobbs, 5111 north Suwannee Avenue.
07:47:22 I wanted to start with a letter from Bruce Gibson, architect
07:47:27 that has been very involved with the Seminole Heights
07:47:30 overlay district, and that was formed with the form-based
07:47:35 zoning code, and he put a lot waive wanted to say very
07:47:39 well -- put it very well in his letter so I thought I would
07:47:42 start by reading it.
07:47:44 Dear council members, this letter is to express my
07:47:46 opposition to the proposed rezoning based in part on my
07:47:49 participation in the Seminole Heights form-based zoning
07:47:51 public works shop.
07:47:52 Please consider the following issue or issues in your
07:47:57 SH/AG allows a long list of uses for the existing residents
07:48:03 Many of these are incompatible in close proximity to the
07:48:06 residential neighborhoods of the type of residents have
07:48:12 complained about for years.
07:48:15 Uses include equipment repair, hotel motel, vehicle -- that
07:48:22 sort of thing that's already been mentioned.
07:48:24 To head to the second item, the SH/AG district derives from
07:48:28 the Seminole Heights form based code yet the existing
07:48:31 building is not required to be altered or placed to meet the
07:48:36 form of the requirements of the code.
07:48:38 As Ms. Feeley said, that hasn't been established yet.
07:48:42 So there's in a code for them to build to, and they are also
07:48:47 not required to -- not required to bring that up to code.
07:48:52 So will be granted more use without corresponding
07:49:00 This is not the bargain residents joined onto in form based.
07:49:06 The form based code, the plan explains the underutilized
07:49:10 commercial zoning already existing in Seminole Heights, well
07:49:14 before those existing reached their best and highest use,
07:49:17 thus allowing more of the same noxious uses in close
07:49:21 proximity to residents.
07:49:25 Expand development potential does not require simultaneous
07:49:29 implementation of new form-based requirements, to
07:49:33 communicate impact and make them compatible with the
07:49:40 I just thought I should start by reading that.
07:49:43 My qualifications are with the neighborhood for a long time.
07:49:46 I have been two degrees in architecture, most recently from
07:49:49 USF school of architecture, and live on Hanna across the
07:49:58 street, and have been involved in all the different codes
07:50:00 and workshops and things like that.
07:50:05 So the intersection is identified, this is why the
07:50:10 development is -- but the problem with upzoning is you can't
07:50:21 go back so we would like to err on the side of caution and
07:50:26 we feel CG is too intense.
07:50:28 And there's too much -- some might be an SH-GN, something
07:50:36 like a mixed use but less intense.
07:50:40 And also only allows for special use 1 or 2 which I thought
07:50:46 was a little unusual.
07:50:47 Again, we mention all the uses, with a particular one there.
07:50:58 However, that CM use would allow limited retail and personal
07:51:02 services at appropriate locations compatible -- so that's
07:51:12 what's intense in SH-CG use.
07:51:15 However, PD would give most control to the residents in the
07:51:23 And the property to the south on parking, that would based
07:51:33 on existing conditions -- well, the conditions will
07:51:35 dramatically change when all these properties are eventually
07:51:38 rezoned to CG with more intense uses, things like -- that's
07:51:44 my 30 second warning?
07:51:46 Parking is a big issue.
07:51:48 As I said.
07:51:54 The on-street parking which is very vital to the property to
07:51:57 the south.
07:51:58 And the new development could be zero setback on the north
07:52:03 side, right adjacent to single-family residence, and I don't
07:52:07 think that's an appropriate thing.
07:52:09 So again that's the sort of thing that's allowed by this
07:52:12 Euclidean rezoning.
07:52:13 (Bell sounds)
07:52:14 Thank you.
07:52:14 >>MARY MULHERN: Can I ask you one question before you
07:52:18 SHCM, you are saying?
07:52:23 As opposed to CI?
07:52:24 >> That is not current -- there is SH-CG, mixed use, and
07:52:30 there is a CM zoning category.
07:52:35 >>MARY MULHERN: Is it commercial neighborhood?
07:52:37 >> Commercial neighborhood.
07:52:39 They are more compatible to the neighborhood.
07:52:41 But again, I think the neighbors might have an issue with
07:52:44 that, because of the uniqueness of this property being on
07:52:47 the corner there.
07:52:47 >>MARY MULHERN: I just wanted to you say what that category
07:52:51 Thank you.
07:52:52 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
07:52:53 Next, please.
07:53:13 >> My name is Peters, I own the property immediately to the
07:53:20 I owned it for 21 years.
07:53:22 And these two blocks we have eight parcels of property.
07:53:24 I own three of them.
07:53:26 The fourth is owned by a family member.
07:53:28 I have talked to everybody in the block south.
07:53:30 We would be happy if they would create a new classification
07:53:34 of CM.
07:53:35 And I know she was shaking her head over here a minute ago.
07:53:40 I had about two hours of conversation with Gloria this week.
07:53:44 Tallahassee very strong chance that category will be
07:53:47 And Mr. Camacho and his fiancée came to me and I begged them
07:53:52 to get PD because we would have all these people on their
07:53:55 He was talking about doing a curb cut on Hanna there.
07:53:58 Were three on-street parking places since 1926 and they
07:54:02 serve the residential triplex that's been there since 1926.
07:54:05 So some of this code is far reaching.
07:54:09 Fountain were true form-based codes we wouldn't have any
07:54:14 But it's a hybrid.
07:54:16 And I have talked to many people out in California in the
07:54:18 form-based codes.
07:54:19 It just things that -- a lot of things that we didn't know.
07:54:23 We are all looking at them from different perspectives
07:54:26 I.didn't go over adopt a map.
07:54:30 Some of it was just too photograph reaching.
07:54:32 The thing that bothers me about commercial general, that's
07:54:34 all the properties that are on Sligh, Nebraska, and Florida.
07:54:39 I didn't buy there for a reason.
07:54:40 I don't like the way they look.
07:54:42 I own a property on Sligh.
07:54:44 It's zoned CG.
07:54:46 And that's 23,000 cars a day.
07:54:48 This property has 3600.
07:54:51 That right there tells you something has to be balanced, you
07:54:55 You buy nice looking properties that are quaint and serve
07:54:57 the neighborhood and you want to raise it up to auto repair?
07:55:01 We don't like that stuff.
07:55:03 We have got it everywhere in our neighborhood.
07:55:05 I was out photographing one of the auto repair places and
07:55:09 the guy came out and gave me a hard time.
07:55:11 He said we have 47 auto repair shops between Martin Luther
07:55:15 King, Sligh, Florida, and Nebraska.
07:55:18 Just too much.
07:55:19 It's not neighborhood friendly.
07:55:21 There's people who live like that, three residential
07:55:24 triplexes across the street.
07:55:26 This is not for a neighborhood.
07:55:27 I'm okay with this business.
07:55:29 Do a PD, okay.
07:55:30 I do have one problem with part of this business.
07:55:33 Baby showers.
07:55:34 I don't know where people goring park.
07:55:39 It requires at least like ten parking places Gloria told me.
07:55:44 So parking is an issue.
07:55:45 We seem to deal with parking.
07:55:47 I respectfully ask that you deny this petition.
07:55:51 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
07:55:56 You want to leave that for us?
07:55:59 Next, please?
07:56:00 >> Jordan Miller, resident of Seminole Heights.
07:56:08 I have been sworn in. President of Seminole Heights for 15
07:56:10 years, business owner in Seminole Heights, in the three
07:56:15 commercial buildings just south of the lot we are talking
07:56:19 about. I respectfully ask that you decline the request for
07:56:22 CG zoning.
07:56:24 A few reasons that you might get a different perspective
07:56:29 from me from other residents, business owners and community
07:56:31 members, I obviously have a fairly involved presence in the
07:56:38 cycling community, the bicycle-pedestrian Planning
07:56:41 Commission, and I believe PD, to touch on the form-based
07:56:48 zoning, I believe PD requires something of the site plan
07:56:52 helps stick to the form, not to the use, which would answer
07:56:57 a lot of questions, eliminate the concern of auto repair,
07:57:02 appliance repair, hospital, bowling alley, et cetera.
07:57:05 I think planned development would make a lot more sense, and
07:57:09 just answer a lot more questions.
07:57:11 I do think that given the commercial general request that
07:57:16 changes that intersection radically.
07:57:18 You already have a pretty busy intersection.
07:57:21 You have an actual rate of speed on Hanna that tends to be
07:57:24 far higher than that on Central Avenue.
07:57:29 In part of the Seminole Heights proposed Seminole Heights
07:57:32 vision plan, there are things like traffic calming, and
07:57:38 other things designed to make the streets better for the
07:57:41 Those include adding bike lanes, adding medians, narrowing
07:57:46 lanes, adding street parking, et cetera.
07:57:48 Hanna has a lot of those traffic calming things already on
07:57:52 Our street parking, for example, has been there for over
07:57:55 half a century.
07:57:56 I think with the commercial general zoning and some of the
07:57:59 specific things, the property owner has proposed to do, it
07:58:02 takes away street parking, radically changes that corner,
07:58:05 and adds a pretty noticeable additional traffic which is
07:58:10 only going to take away from, I believe, the pedestrian
07:58:13 traffic, the potential bicycle traffic.
07:58:16 One other note on Hanna Avenue is that corner as you know,
07:58:21 in the vision plan, Hanna Avenue is also a significant berth
07:58:28 there and the bicycle and pedestrian corridors are being
07:58:33 developed throughout Tampa, and one of the big hurdles is
07:58:37 Hanna Avenue.
07:58:38 It contracts, it swells, it has sidewalks, has on street
07:58:42 parking, it doesn't.
07:58:43 Adding curb cuts and businesses that bring a larger
07:58:46 congregation of people without on-property parking is only
07:58:50 going to make that larger plan harder.
07:58:55 So again I just respectfully ask that you decline this
07:58:59 Thank you very much.
07:59:00 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you.
07:59:02 Next, please.
07:59:02 >> My name is Michelle DeMicco, 6009 River Terrace, a
07:59:10 resident of Seminole Heights, have been my entire life.
07:59:13 I also live in Seminole Heights.
07:59:16 I own the cafe bakery which is also going to be opening in
07:59:20 that triplex there, a little business just south of what we
07:59:27 are talking about.
07:59:30 I have some definite concerns, both from a residential
07:59:33 perspective and from a business owner perspective.
07:59:36 I have children that go to the elementary school.
07:59:38 I also have children that went to the preschool, which is at
07:59:42 the church across the street.
07:59:45 We as a neighborhood like to consider space and healthy
07:59:51 environment to raise our children, and I do agree that CG
07:59:54 zoning would probably be a little bit too broad spectrum,
07:59:58 right across from a school and a church.
08:00:03 Planned development would be, I think, a lot more
08:00:06 advantageous and I would support that.
08:00:08 Again, I have no problem with the boutique idea come N.I
08:00:12 think it's fabulous.
08:00:13 I think that's something that Seminole Heights would
08:00:15 probably really benefit from.
08:00:19 From the perspective of having baby showers on-site, I am
08:00:23 highly opposed to.
08:00:26 Primarily because of the parking situation.
08:00:28 I have been in the hospitality industry a long time and
08:00:32 parking is always an issue whenever you have any type of
08:00:36 planned event.
08:00:38 One of the things that has concerned me about actually
08:00:41 opening a cafe and bakery in Seminole Heights is lack of
08:00:45 Right now, we are already struggling with a very minimal
08:00:49 amount of parking.
08:00:49 We do really depend upon the street parking that is already
08:00:54 there and existing.
08:00:56 But, at the same time, we also support our neighbors and a
08:01:01 lot of traffic that we bring through is Blake traffic and
08:01:04 people walking their dogs, people out walking.
08:01:08 We are neighborhood friendly.
08:01:10 When you bring in an event such as a baby shower or any type
08:01:14 of event like that, bridal shower or whatnot, you are
08:01:17 bringing people in from outside that have to drive a vehicle
08:01:21 In Florida weather there's no way you are going to walk from
08:01:24 wherever it is you are coming from to get to an event that
08:01:28 you are going to want to look nice at.
08:01:31 And I think that the lack of parking on their property
08:01:35 surrounding that area would not only hinder their proposed
08:01:40 business but it would heavily hinder the already preexisting
08:01:45 center there.
08:01:46 And I ask you to look at that very seriously, and consider,
08:01:51 you know, denying the request of CG.
08:01:56 And I encourage them to rethink their business plan and
08:01:59 maybe look at it from a neighborhood perspective.
08:02:02 We all live in the neighborhood.
08:02:03 We love the neighborhood.
08:02:05 We support the neighborhood.
08:02:08 As far as I know, they do not live in the neighborhood, and
08:02:10 I don't think they can understand it fully the way we do.
08:02:13 So I appreciate the opportunity to talk, and I ask you that
08:02:16 you deny this request.
08:02:18 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thanks very much.
08:02:19 Next, please.
08:02:19 >> My name is Brett Bailey.
08:02:25 I'm the owner or one of the owners directly across the
08:02:30 street, have been sworn in.
08:02:32 My concern is like many of the others.
08:02:34 We are concerned about parking.
08:02:38 It has one issue.
08:02:39 The baby boutique is a wonderful idea but we are concerned
08:02:44 about the future, and what can happen.
08:02:46 And I know when you have something that could be more
08:02:49 valuable, maybe a more commercial type of development, it
08:02:54 might go that direction in the future.
08:02:56 So for that I ask you to please deny and look for a
08:03:00 different way to serve this property so they may enjoy it
08:03:04 and we may enjoy it also.
08:03:06 Thank you.
08:03:07 >> Thank you very much, sir.
08:03:08 Next, please.
08:03:09 >> My name is Ingrid Smith, 5 605 north Suwannee Avenue.
08:03:16 I have been sworn.
08:03:20 The parking encourages shared parking which those businesses
08:03:25 on the corner already do.
08:03:27 If you do curbside would you be reducing the parking instead
08:03:30 of taking away from what is being shared.
08:03:37 And I think the form-based zoning, when we were looking at
08:03:41 developing residential businesses, that would fit in with
08:03:47 the neighborhood, never envisioned CG for that corner,
08:03:51 because even described as a connector street, it's not like
08:03:56 Sligh, not lake Hillsborough, not like Martin Luther King.
08:03:59 It is something of traffic from Hillsborough to Nebraska and
08:04:03 it connects, two lanes, very much residential.
08:04:07 If you look at 5202 Nebraska, there you have an automotive
08:04:12 that went in, there was a house one over that got torn down
08:04:17 and now it's overflow parking for that business with pit
08:04:24 dogs in there.
08:04:25 You can imagine the neighbors are not going to want to have
08:04:30 CG with that kind of potential coming into the neighborhood.
08:04:34 One part of Seminole Heights, if you look at anything else
08:04:39 that is a connector, there is something there that you just
08:04:43 kind of cringe and think, oh, that's Seminole Heights.
08:04:46 Central Avenue, city Parks Department, everybody invested
08:04:50 heavily in time and money on the community garden.
08:04:53 This is only a few blocks up.
08:04:55 This is directly on the bored of the historic district.
08:04:58 It is in the historic overlay.
08:05:01 And residential house.
08:05:06 They can tear it down and do anything they want which they
08:05:09 can do if it goes to CG.
08:05:14 I have a good neighbor letter and I also have some letters
08:05:19 that are actually turned in, but with this form based
08:05:25 zoning, realize with some of the other things that came to
08:05:31 light that everything was not the way it is.
08:05:35 If it goes CG now, that's going to be a permanent wrinkle in
08:05:39 the fabric of Seminole Heights in the central core area.
08:05:41 (Bell sounds)
08:05:42 So if we could just ERR on the side of caution, deny the CG
08:05:48 and ask it come back as a PD or look at getting what some of
08:05:51 us thought it would be as far as house/office combined but
08:05:58 not something that has the potential of being something that
08:06:01 would you expect on Sligh, on Nebraska or Florida Avenue,
08:06:03 but not there at the school, the church, all of those which
08:06:08 are neighborhood-related.
08:06:11 CG is not neighborhood related.
08:06:13 And I have these letters to turn in from neighbors all
08:06:18 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
08:06:20 Anyone else who has not spoken on this usual you would like
08:06:23 to speak?
08:06:25 Petitioner, you have heard the concern of the neighborhood.
08:06:29 Your rebuttal, sir.
08:06:30 >> We believe these concerns are merely speculatory.
08:06:43 What I am proposing has been deemed appropriate.
08:06:48 It has been deemed appropriate by city, for what I am
08:06:52 requesting, with the Euclidean rezoning, no waivers, no
08:06:57 I have met with the Department of Transportation regarding
08:06:59 the amount of spaces needed for the uses, and it is
08:07:02 currently two.
08:07:04 I currently have a parking pad that has two parking spaces.
08:07:09 Right now, there is also the whole side of central along
08:07:14 that property that is city parking, on-street city parking.
08:07:21 And as far as the future use goes, I don't intend to cut and
08:07:33 open for a driveway.
08:07:36 That's not my intention at all, and I have made that very
08:07:39 clear when I sat down with Mr. Peters and he expressed that
08:07:44 concern to me.
08:07:48 After we put that concern to rest, then the concern about
08:07:52 the future use of the property was raised to me based off
08:07:58 the Euclidean zoning, and no ability for the SHCN in the
08:08:07 This was deemed the most appropriate option.
08:08:12 And I think in order to allow for more intense uses in this
08:08:15 area, it would have to be presented to the City Council once
08:08:20 again and overviewed, reviewed by the community again before
08:08:25 it received support to move to the speculatory concerns that
08:08:30 are in front of you today.
08:08:33 And I will be happy to entertain any other questions.
08:08:36 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Any questions by council members?
08:08:37 Ms. Capin?
08:08:40 >>YVONNE CAPIN: The square footage of the building is --
08:08:43 >> 641 square feet.
08:08:46 >> 641.
08:08:50 And --
08:08:56 >> About the size of your old house.
08:08:58 >> Just about 100 feet less, we moved from a house just a
08:09:03 little bit larger than that.
08:09:07 The other question is, baby shower.
08:09:15 Yeah, okay.
08:09:16 So fits 600 square feet, and I saw photos of garages, as an
08:09:24 example, what could be there.
08:09:27 Really, a garage in a 640 square foot house?
08:09:34 >> Correct.
08:09:34 >> Secondly I am going ask this.
08:09:37 And either Tony or Ms. Feeley.
08:09:42 Someone said if it is torn down they can do anything they
08:09:45 That's a quote.
08:09:46 Will you please tell me what can happen if it's torn down?
08:09:49 >>ABBYE FEELEY: Land Development Coordination.
08:09:55 If it is torn down they can do anything they want.
08:10:00 >>YVONNE CAPIN: That's the quote I heard from one of the
08:10:01 people that came up.
08:10:02 >>ABBYE FEELEY: If it's torn down -- and I visually want to
08:10:10 hook this up there.
08:10:11 >> I want to clarify.
08:10:12 >>ABBYE FEELEY: If it is torn down there are land
08:10:20 development regulations in place today that was adopted by
08:10:22 this council back on March 24th of 2011 to implement the
08:10:27 vision plans for Seminole Heights and move to the form-based
08:10:31 If it was torn down, it is a corner lot.
08:10:42 So this would be central here.
08:10:45 This would be Hanna.
08:10:47 This would be the alley in the back.
08:10:50 It would have to be placed and rebuilt to meet the
08:10:54 requirements of the form-based code.
08:10:56 Let's say it was a garage.
08:10:59 Let's say it was minor vehicle repair.
08:11:02 It's going to be the nicest vehicle repair you have ever
08:11:04 seen in the city because it is going to be built within a
08:11:07 structure that complies with this layout for the property.
08:11:12 I don't know if you are familiar with the signature auto
08:11:15 repair on Kennedy Boulevard in the Kennedy overlay.
08:11:18 It is a vehicle repair shop, and it is up at pretty much a
08:11:24 zero-foot setback.
08:11:26 It may be ten feet off of Kennedy Boulevard, and it's brick
08:11:29 and enclosed and everything functions within the building,
08:11:31 because it's the form that was driving over the use.
08:11:34 And that is what you would end up here.
08:11:36 So it would be placed, the building would be placed as
08:11:40 required in the general building placement that's shown
08:11:43 through in gray with the built-to line, delineated here in
08:11:49 Now, there is a statement made about a zero setback.
08:11:52 That zero setback is only if you are adjacent to other
08:11:55 commerce uses.
08:11:56 There is a required buffer when you are adjacent to a
08:11:58 residential use.
08:12:01 This type of code does not do away with the protection of
08:12:04 single-family residential uses.
08:12:07 That is a strong foundation of this neighborhood, and was
08:12:10 heard at many late night meetings, and that protection is in
08:12:15 The parking, there is a parking placement as well.
08:12:19 That placement typically toward the rear of the property
08:12:23 where the alley is, and this is an alley-loaded property --
08:12:27 there is encouraged shared parking.
08:12:30 However, the way code is today, and the way code is, they
08:12:34 cannot count on-street parking to meet their required
08:12:38 They are going to have to meet the required parking on-site.
08:12:43 For the 600 square foot home to be turned into a minor
08:12:46 vehicle repair shop in its existing condition, I don't think
08:12:51 that's very possible.
08:12:52 I don't think it's possible for the 7500 square foot lot to
08:12:58 be successfully utilized as vehicle repair minor of any
08:13:04 That's one of the challenges we faced a long Nebraska Avenue
08:13:06 when we looked at redevelopment for this area, the success
08:13:10 of these lots not being able to accommodate the type of
08:13:13 retail that the neighborhood so desperately strived to have
08:13:17 redeveloped there in place of the car lots.
08:13:20 So based on the physical constraints, there are limits to
08:13:25 the intensity of the use, but that's, I don't believe,
08:13:29 what's important.
08:13:30 The importance is the form that would have to be replaced,
08:13:34 what would be removed should the existing structure be
08:13:37 removed, should the existing structure be removed, it would
08:13:41 as I am showing you here with the building envelope shown in
08:13:44 gray, and like I said, unlike a typical CG, this is not CG,
08:13:50 this is SH-CG which is very different than CG.
08:13:54 CG says you have a ten-foot setback.
08:13:56 Place the building anywhere you want, past that ten feet,
08:13:59 and do your parking and do your retention and have a nice
08:14:03 In Seminole Heights it says bring that building up, all the
08:14:06 way up to that 10-foot line, come all the way up.
08:14:09 We want things to be at the corner of our property.
08:14:11 We want things to be eyes on the street, and that's what
08:14:16 this form provides.
08:14:17 So should that existing structure be removed, it would have
08:14:22 to be built back to what form required today, and these are
08:14:27 adopted regulations.
08:14:30 >>YVONNE CAPIN: And that's what I understood it to be.
08:14:31 I am trying to relieve some of the fears, because there is a
08:14:35 lot of fear, and some of it based on -- I just want it to be
08:14:41 based on information that we know.
08:14:44 >> And I was shaking my head, because there is not a CN
08:14:49 If there was, I would have highly recommended it.
08:14:52 And that's one of the things that may be touched on in the
08:14:56 But there is not currently a CN.
08:14:58 So a CN could not be applied for.
08:15:01 What is open to this applicant today is only the SH district
08:15:05 as listed in the plan today.
08:15:07 So I can't even put them back to a typical CN that's
08:15:11 available in other parts of the city that is a site plan
08:15:14 controlled district because that's not available any longer.
08:15:17 They can only rezoning to one of the SH categories that I
08:15:20 provided to you in your staff report.
08:15:25 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Ms. Montelione.
08:15:26 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Thank you for clarifying that.
08:15:31 I have some questions, and Ms. Feeley, don't go away.
08:15:39 The things that I heard folks saying was taking away the
08:15:45 three parking spaces on street, which we don't ever consider
08:15:49 on-street parking as part of the calculation for required
08:15:54 parking for businesses when they want to relocate or
08:15:57 rezoning a property.
08:15:59 So whether or not those spaces are here today, gone
08:16:03 tomorrow, never really is addressed by this board.
08:16:06 >>ABBYE FEELEY: Correct.
08:16:10 Parking spaces that are available in the right-of-way are
08:16:12 public parking spaces, and they aren't designated for an
08:16:17 adjacent building, aren't designated for adjacent use.
08:16:20 They are open to the public and they serve everyone within
08:16:22 the neighborhood.
08:16:23 >> I understand if you go through and you eliminate all the
08:16:27 on-street parking, that would be a matter of our
08:16:30 transportation department because they control the
08:16:34 >> And the reality is, it can happen. Unfortunately
08:16:38 K.sometimes it does, where there's been on-street parking,
08:16:41 now there's something near the intersection or something
08:16:44 happened, and the city has to remove that, or remove
08:16:48 So the other --
08:16:54 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I am going to skip over some because Ms.
08:16:58 Capin already addressed them.
08:17:00 Something mentioned was a hospital.
08:17:03 You can build a hospital, and, you know, that's not
08:17:07 something that would be appropriate on Central Avenue, but
08:17:09 there are other requirements when you go to the building
08:17:11 department and you file your construction plans, get a
08:17:16 permit to build.
08:17:18 You have to meet the requirements, and the way I see it,
08:17:23 this lot, assemblage of lots would not ever be able to meet
08:17:29 the requirements of a hospital.
08:17:32 In that instance they would have to go PD.
08:17:35 >> I agree with you.
08:17:37 I mean professionally on that statement --
08:17:43 >> It's hard when you sit and speculate as to how much could
08:17:45 you lay out, but when you look at how much it takes to
08:17:49 function, and what those parking spaces are required to be
08:17:53 to meet code, the land quickly gets eaten up.
08:17:58 >>LISA MONTELIONE: It seems a lot of the issue is what's on
08:18:00 the table, section 27-550, scheduled permitted uses by
08:18:04 district. And it's what's on this table that's an allowed
08:18:08 use by right in this SH category that's causing a lot of the
08:18:16 And I don't see SHCN category.
08:18:21 We go from commercial general to commercial intensive.
08:18:23 Can you explain or can Ms. Cole explain why that is, why CN
08:18:29 was skipped over from CG, we go right to CI?
08:18:33 >> The other thing, at the residential office use doesn't
08:18:36 allow for specialty retail.
08:18:38 I mean, if something like that -- part of this, I think,
08:18:41 this is our first area within the city.
08:18:45 We are working through this.
08:18:46 >> Is this the first rezoning application to come?
08:18:52 >> This is the second.
08:18:54 The first one was an SH -- I'm trying to remember.
08:18:58 It was on Martin Luther King.
08:19:01 This is the second.
08:19:02 >> I'm sorry, marriages I don't remember your name.
08:19:07 I didn't writ down.
08:19:08 But you seem back there very animated like you want to say
08:19:12 So if you want to come up to the podium.
08:19:14 And there were a couple of things that -- I understand, I
08:19:20 think what you are saying, you are talking about if
08:19:23 something were to be knocked down?
08:19:26 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Mr. Chairman, I'm sorry to interrupt but
08:19:28 that would be outside council's rules to allow that to
08:19:33 happen and would require a waiver by City Council of those
08:19:36 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: We are sorry.
08:19:37 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Okay.
08:19:39 Well, clearly, if a lot of businesses could not operate
08:19:46 within a square foot residential build bug if it were to be
08:19:51 knocked down it would have to meet like Abbye Feeley said,
08:19:58 you are restrict to the form based requirement and would you
08:20:00 be restricted because of the form-based requirement.
08:20:02 And I think this is for Mr. Garcia. Was there recently a
08:20:07 change, CMU 35?
08:20:12 From what I understand, that's to allow or accommodate
08:20:19 Can you speak to that and how it relates to this property
08:20:23 and explain that to me a little bit?
08:20:25 >>ABBYE FEELEY: The other item I forgot to mention when you
08:20:28 mentioned the vehicle repair, there is no permissible
08:20:31 storage anywhere in this district.
08:20:32 So I just want to be clear on that.
08:20:37 They usually have outdoor tires and equipment and things
08:20:40 like that and they couldn't V.
08:20:42 >>TONY GARCIA: Planning Commission staff.
08:20:43 I have been sworn.
08:20:44 To answer your question, Ms. Montelione, there are
08:20:48 commercial nodes of different intensities.
08:20:52 There are quarter mile, eight-mile, half-mile nodes
08:20:56 throughout the entire greater Seminole Heights area that
08:20:58 have been determined by the City of Tampa staff, by your
08:21:01 zoning administrator Ms. Coyle, and those areas along
08:21:05 Kennedy for these potential type of economic development
08:21:08 projects that are nonresidential, and also potential
08:21:11 residential projects of greater density.
08:21:14 >> So where does this particular property fall?
08:21:17 >> This falls in one of the quarter miles because it's on
08:21:20 Hanna, which is classified as a collector and also central
08:21:24 which is a collector road.
08:21:25 Also, the land use categories were determined by city staff
08:21:31 and were presented on a variety of boards and scenarios to
08:21:35 the citizens of the greater Seminole Heights area.
08:21:39 They had a workshop and not a charrette.
08:21:42 They had a variety of workshops and charrettes.
08:21:45 All of these were presented and the applicable potential
08:21:47 categories, even though the SHs weren't created then,
08:21:52 still, you know, it was pretty close that you are not going
08:21:54 to create a CI in a CMU 35.
08:21:57 But all these categories were presented in a variety of
08:22:00 different scenarios, and they were deliberated on and voted
08:22:03 on by the citizenry at the garden club over in Seminole
08:22:08 During a variety of which culminated in a variety of
08:22:11 workshops that were held there.
08:22:13 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Thank you.
08:22:17 And I promise the last question is for Ms. Cole.
08:22:32 One thing that was mentioned was the possibility of a CN
08:22:34 category being created.
08:22:36 I'm not familiar with that possibility.
08:22:37 And is there going to be an area-wide rezoning at some point
08:22:41 for Seminole Heights as may typically happen when you
08:22:45 completely change an area for --
08:22:50 >>JULIA COLE: Legal department.
08:22:52 I did have an opportunity to contact Ms. Cathy Coyle who was
08:22:56 involved in this entire process to find out, the CN and what
08:23:03 the status is. And under your general code, site plan
08:23:07 controlled district, so it would not transfer over in that
08:23:10 form as site plan district into the Seminole Heights.
08:23:15 She is looking at that and intending to potentially bring
08:23:19 back to City Council an amendment to the code to provide for
08:23:23 a category that is in line with a CN tape of category in
08:23:29 So, it's something she's looking at and intending to bring
08:23:34 forward, I understand may be brought forward to be heard by
08:23:36 council and maybe adopted somewhere in October.
08:23:39 In the meantime, when you did go through the process of
08:23:43 adopting your comprehensive plan, provisions relating to
08:23:46 Seminole Heights and your form based code, for the city to
08:23:52 go through and do an area wide rezoning within the
08:23:55 properties in this area to bring those categories from their
08:23:58 general City of Tampa classification to a Seminole Heights
08:24:03 zoning classification, and that will be an area that will be
08:24:08 come to City Council, so they are moved into the appropriate
08:24:12 category, similar to what you have in the Ybor district
08:24:16 You have other district categories like Channelside, so that
08:24:20 would give you an area wide rezoning, to go ahead and move
08:24:23 all these properties.
08:24:24 Properties that came in before the area wide rezoning or
08:24:26 obligated for code to go into the Seminole Heights category,
08:24:30 so that we have the benefit of all the regulations.
08:24:34 At this point, they are not subject to the area-wide.
08:24:37 Certainly if this property had never come in, it would have
08:24:41 among the properties that would have been per the area-wide,
08:24:45 put into a classification consistent with their land use
08:24:48 classification that we were recently given, the CMU 35.
08:24:54 I don't know, I'm assume -- and I need Ms. Coyle to discuss
08:25:00 this -- how the idea of creating this potential new category
08:25:03 like a CN tape category falls in line with the process for
08:25:08 the area-wide.
08:25:10 I don't believe we have even really started the area-wide
08:25:13 So it's possible that items may go simultaneously.
08:25:17 And certainly all the properties, including this property,
08:25:21 could certainly be looked at in terms of what the zoning
08:25:25 classifications are.
08:25:26 So I was able to get with Ms. Coyle for just a couple of
08:25:32 minutes to get some background and I would want her to give
08:25:35 much more detailed analysis of what we are doing going
08:25:40 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you.
08:25:40 Ms. Mulhern, then Mr. Suarez.
08:25:42 >> Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
08:25:46 I guess this would be probably for Abbye Feeley.
08:25:49 Ms. Feeley.
08:25:53 We all have your table here, right?
08:25:55 The Seminole Heights schedule of permitted uses.
08:26:00 So if there's an X under Seminole Heights commercial
08:26:05 general, any of the uses with an X would be permitted,
08:26:14 >>ABBYE FEELEY: That's correct.
08:26:15 >>MARY MULHERN: So there must be 50 different uses on here.
08:26:18 There's got to be at least, I don't know, 25, 30 uses.
08:26:24 New categories.
08:26:25 So that if we gave this property, changed it from
08:26:30 residential single-family to commercial general, any of
08:26:35 these things here that have an X under that commercial
08:26:39 general would be a permitted use, right?
08:26:43 Is that correct?
08:26:46 >>ABBYE FEELEY: Yes. Considering they meet all other code
08:26:49 I want to say that, because -- ask me everything else, all
08:26:57 >> Okay.
08:26:58 I understand.
08:26:59 That I think we all understand.
08:27:00 Especially people who sat, and I went through a few of
08:27:04 those, and I had a lot of these concerns, and it turns out
08:27:07 that, you know, this was a major, major change.
08:27:11 So we are going to find things that maybe we didn't
08:27:14 anticipate, right?
08:27:16 So I think trying to force, you know, requiring a zoning
08:27:23 because it's what, you know, was part of this very complex
08:27:29 schedule of what can be done under these new categories, I
08:27:33 think, you know, I don't agree that form can be separated
08:27:39 from use.
08:27:40 And I think that when you just say, okay, if you took this
08:27:46 form and you took these requirements, that somehow whatever
08:27:49 your use is not going to affect that.
08:27:53 So when you allow all these different uses but have
08:27:58 restrictions on how something is built, you still may have
08:28:01 So I just want to point that out especially to council that
08:28:06 I'm just going to read these off, because I know you like
08:28:09 listening to my lists.
08:28:12 Bed and breakfast.
08:28:13 Congregate living facility.
08:28:15 Suction or fewer residents.
08:28:17 Congregate living facility.
08:28:20 Congregate living facility small.
08:28:22 Home daycare.
08:28:23 Home occupation.
08:28:25 That's what it is now.
08:28:26 Business professional office.
08:28:29 Daycare facility.
08:28:32 Private cultural facility.
08:28:34 Medical office.
08:28:37 All these governmental uses.
08:28:42 Places of assembly.
08:28:44 And I think these are some of the ones that people
08:28:48 Appliance and equipment repair.
08:28:51 Catering shop.
08:28:54 Dry cleaning.
08:28:55 Small funeral parlor.
08:28:58 Motel, hotel, medical dental, laboratory, personal services,
08:29:06 pharmacy, printing, light -- I don't know what that means --
08:29:14 Vehicle row pair.
08:29:17 So all of those uses, where now there is only single-family
08:29:24 All those uses are potential use ifs we give it these this
08:29:28 Euclidean zoning and then this is the other question.
08:29:34 We do have mixed use, but if you have the storefront,
08:29:48 residential, office, private institutional or storefront
08:29:52 residential assembly or residential recreation, some of
08:29:56 these, you could have a more restricted zoning, right?
08:30:03 >> I'm not sure I understand your question.
08:30:05 I'm sorry.
08:30:06 >>MARY MULHERN: If you look at the very bottom here, this
08:30:08 is what -- I mean, I think this is what you were telling me.
08:30:12 >> Storefront residential -- are you referring to storefront
08:30:16 >>MARY MULHERN: Yes.
08:30:17 >> That could not accommodate a storefront residential use.
08:30:20 Storefront is like what the south has to that PD.
08:30:24 It is commercial in the front and it has three residences in
08:30:26 the back.
08:30:27 >>MARY MULHERN: I was thinking that was a residential
08:30:33 converted to storefront.
08:30:34 >> A home occupation is one -- when you have 25% of your
08:30:39 residence for a commercial type use, such as an office,
08:30:47 something like that.
08:30:49 That's a home occupation but you have to reside there.
08:30:51 >> Right.
08:30:52 This is not unusual, though, especially in Seminole Heights,
08:30:55 to have what was a residence converted into some kind of
08:31:00 cafe, bakery, whatever, or like baby bungalow, like we have
08:31:07 in South Tampa.
08:31:08 So we don't have any kind of categories for that.
08:31:13 >> I think what you are labeling is a use, not a category.
08:31:16 >>MARY MULHERN: Right.
08:31:18 >> Those uses are specialty retail.
08:31:23 >>MARY MULHERN: So why was it suggested to the petitioner
08:31:28 that they do a PD, so that we would have site plan control
08:31:31 and we wouldn't be able to --
08:31:36 >> No.
08:31:37 It wasn't.
08:31:39 Because I think that professionally, using PDs to regulate
08:31:47 uses in this area of the city, we have very strict design
08:31:52 guidelines now that regulate form, and if it's a medical
08:31:56 office behind that form, or a car, minor repair shop, or
08:32:01 it's a retail shop, or it's a Starbuck's in there, or it's
08:32:05 whatever, it's if the form is following the form that we
08:32:09 designed, it really shouldn't matter what's behind the door.
08:32:11 Because it is going to function in the way that it should
08:32:16 And that's really what was behind the bush toward this type
08:32:18 of zoning.
08:32:19 And for the second application to come in and say, let's
08:32:21 make it PD so we can control it, well, we just went through
08:32:25 months and months and months.
08:32:26 And I feel like I want to cry.
08:32:29 I do.
08:32:30 Because I spent lots of time in this neighborhood, too.
08:32:34 And it's hard.
08:32:35 But I took a leap of faith and said, let's have faith that
08:32:39 this is going to work the way that we have designed to the
08:32:42 And should it continue as how it is and as a specialty
08:32:48 retail use, that should be good for that intersection from a
08:32:52 planning perspective.
08:32:53 And if it is torn down and it is rebuilt to the form that is
08:32:56 now prescribed for that neighborhood node, that should be
08:33:00 good, too.
08:33:02 So that is from a professional standpoint how -- you asked
08:33:10 how it came in and I said no, because PD, to control uses, I
08:33:14 don't know, it's getting hard on me these days because every
08:33:16 time we want a PD to stop other uses from not happening, and
08:33:20 I don't know that that's good planning.
08:33:22 I don't know that, I'm sorry.
08:33:24 >>MARY MULHERN: I think we have a difference of opinion
08:33:27 And I think that we heard from the neighbors that are now
08:33:30 realizing what, you know, how that process worked and what
08:33:34 the end result was, and, you know, this is what we do here,
08:33:37 is we change this stuff, so let's figure out how --
08:33:43 >> We haven't had a chance.
08:33:45 This is only the second one.
08:33:47 >>MARY MULHERN: But this is what I am trying to say.
08:33:51 And I guess I'm having a hard time.
08:33:53 But there is a difference between having a baby shop, baby
08:34:01 boutique, and auto repair, or something like that, and I do
08:34:05 not -- I think in the real world, it's not just form, it's
08:34:13 not just building blocks and drawings and formulas, it is
08:34:18 what is hatching there so we just have a difference of
08:34:20 opinion on it.
08:34:21 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Let me say this.
08:34:22 In about five minutes I am going to lose a council member.
08:34:26 I am going to go to Mr. Suarez.
08:34:27 But remember in five minutes I'm losing a council member.
08:34:30 Mr. Suarez.
08:34:31 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you, chair.
08:34:33 Ms. Feeley, I'm sorry.
08:34:34 >> That's okay.
08:34:37 >>MIKE SUAREZ: And based on everything that my colleagues
08:34:39 said I understand when we are talking about form based.
08:34:42 And I think that based on the comments that we had from the
08:34:44 public, and again, we, myself and two other of the council
08:34:50 members were not on council when this came through,
08:34:53 literally came through right after the election last year,
08:34:58 that people have been through the charrettes, they have been
08:35:00 through the planning process in terms of trying to figure
08:35:03 this out.
08:35:04 I think many people came up and said that they had been part
08:35:06 of that.
08:35:09 What I am disturbed by is a lot of people saying this
08:35:11 slipped in or this was not -- I'm not saying that's what
08:35:17 And I guess my point is -- and I somewhat agree with what
08:35:21 Councilwoman Mulhern was saying -- is because obviously it
08:35:26 has nothing to do with what's going to be put there if it's
08:35:30 zoned this way, but it is the confusion of how can you have
08:35:32 a retail use, and you also have a small appliance use, and
08:35:37 it's a confusing thing.
08:35:39 When you make it as broadly as possible for commercial uses.
08:35:44 And zoning can be confusing on its best days.
08:35:48 When things are going great.
08:35:50 But we are in an economy now where people are very nervous.
08:35:55 There's a lost anxiety.
08:35:57 The only thing they have to hang onto is their properties,
08:36:00 their neighborhoods, and they get very nervous when we start
08:36:02 talking about this.
08:36:03 Now, Seminole Heights, because it is one of the first to
08:36:09 have this type of form-based zoning is a little bit of an
08:36:15 And I would hope -- and again as you mentioned, this is the
08:36:18 second application.
08:36:20 I would hope that when this does go through, when we have
08:36:24 these kind of CG uses, SH-CG, that people understand that
08:36:32 whole process we went through was to make sure that we get
08:36:35 the best use from each neighborhood.
08:36:37 And I think that what you said is well taken, which is the
08:36:42 form itself is what happens afterwards.
08:36:46 It has to fit the form.
08:36:48 And the form is what called this a better look and a better
08:36:56 feel for a particular neighborhood, because there have been
08:37:00 and has always been this history of this city is that there
08:37:04 are commercial uses next to residential areas.
08:37:08 That's the way the old neighborhoods were created.
08:37:11 We have in the past, probably in the last 40 years, have
08:37:16 become more of a suburbanized use-based on N an urban area,
08:37:22 and because of that, it's changing the entire nature of what
08:37:25 we were 100 years ago.
08:37:26 And those places that my grandparents would walk to, you
08:37:30 know, are not the same places because they have changed it
08:37:34 for the use of the car.
08:37:35 And that's a whole other discussion for another time.
08:37:38 But when we talk about the PD, and this is kind of in a
08:37:46 different angle from what Councilwoman Mulhern with was
08:37:49 saying, not that you would suggest PD necessarily, when
08:37:52 people come in, and this is the way I feel about any zoning
08:37:55 case, they have to know what they want after discussing it
08:37:58 with you, what's the best fix for -- fit for them for their
08:38:03 particular business.
08:38:04 They are not going to be planning experts unless they have
08:38:06 hired someone to be a planning expert.
08:38:09 And for me, I think the biggest issue is, it sound like a
08:38:13 lot more -- not only our side but I think from the
08:38:19 neighbor's side, that I think a lot of people did not
08:38:22 envision how this form base was going to work, or maybe they
08:38:27 were misunderstanding.
08:38:28 I don't know. There's no way for me to No. I can't go back
08:38:32 to what happened last year and the year before.
08:38:35 What I'm trying to say is, I think that when it comes to the
08:38:39 PD part of it, why allow PD, if we have form-based?
08:38:44 And that's the biggest question for me, which is if you have
08:38:48 a form-based zoning, why even have PD available to someone?
08:38:57 >> The SHPD is for waivers that exceed what can be done
08:39:02 And that's really how the PD oriented in the general part of
08:39:06 the city.
08:39:07 It was to get relief from code.
08:39:10 So that's why when it comes to slapping a PD on there just
08:39:15 to control use, and until other uses aren't appropriate, I
08:39:19 don't tend to look at that.
08:39:21 I tend to look at what --
08:39:25 >>MIKE SUAREZ: It was more general question, not more
08:39:27 specific, which is PDs are used because of what you just
08:39:32 >>ABBYE FEELEY: The waivers and variances.
08:39:35 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Which allows a little broader use -- not
08:39:38 broader use, but a little bit looser ways of getting --
08:39:44 >> Compliance.
08:39:44 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Compliance.
08:39:47 Thank you.
08:39:48 And form based, if it works correctly -- and we still call
08:39:51 this Euclidean, correct?
08:39:53 I mean, the Euclidean-based zoning was supposed to be that
08:39:57 you had continuity, and you had really knowing what the
08:40:03 purpose was, so that anytime you moved into a neighborhood,
08:40:09 and you said, I live here, and it was all zoned around you,
08:40:13 the exact same thing, and you knew exactly what was going to
08:40:16 be on the corner and who was going to be on the next block,
08:40:19 based on that zone, and -- go ahead.
08:40:23 >>ABBYE FEELEY: The last is what you said, though, is that
08:40:27 the use lives within the form.
08:40:30 The form is the house.
08:40:31 The building is the form.
08:40:35 And the use was inside.
08:40:37 And it doesn't -- if you have those regulations, that
08:40:40 control the form and promote the form, that is in concert,
08:40:44 and is compatible and is in line with the character, the one
08:40:50 that lives inside should not necessarily matter.
08:40:52 Because the vision is coming through the fiscal structure,
08:40:56 and the use is living within that structure.
08:40:58 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I understand.
08:41:00 That and that's what I was trying to get at, is the form
08:41:02 itself is what determines how your neighborhood or how your
08:41:05 area is going to be, is going to progress in terms of what's
08:41:10 here, what's there, what's not.
08:41:12 I think that as a practical matter, when we look at -- and
08:41:19 Ms. Mulhern went through all those different uses --
08:41:23 practically that's not going to happen on this.
08:41:26 It doesn't make sense to say that.
08:41:28 I mean, I wish I could throw better at the left hand or I
08:41:32 would have been a major league baseball player, but I don't
08:41:34 practically, all.
08:41:35 [Motion Carried Unanimously]
08:41:35 Left-handed, it is not going to happen.
08:41:37 And didn't happen.
08:41:40 And I think that you don't want to make too much levity of
08:41:43 it but it is true.
08:41:44 And again the use itself, you know, we don't talk about
08:41:47 But, you know, there's very little intensive use you can use
08:41:52 on that particular property.
08:41:54 So I am trying to see what the neighborhood is saying, at
08:42:00 the same time wondering what went on prior to March 24th
08:42:03 of 2011, as to where the disconnect S.so that's what I am
08:42:09 trying to figure out.
08:42:10 And I haven't gotten that answer yet.
08:42:12 Nor part of yours nor the neighbors.
08:42:15 I am still trying to figure that out.
08:42:17 But thank you very much.
08:42:20 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you.
08:42:22 Any other questions by council members?
08:42:25 I need a motion to close.
08:42:30 I have a motion to close by Ms. Montelione, seconded by Mr.
08:42:35 All in favor of the motion please indicate by saying aye.
08:42:37 Opposed nay.
08:42:39 The ayes have it unanimously.
08:42:42 What's the pleasure of the council?
08:42:43 Anyone that wants to read this ordinance?
08:42:47 >>LISA MONTELIONE: An ordinance being presented for first
08:42:49 reading and consideration, an ordinance rezoning the
08:42:51 property in the vicinity of 6202 north Central Avenue in the
08:42:54 city of Tampa, Florida and more particularly described in
08:42:57 section 1 from zoning district classifications RS-50
08:43:00 residential single-family to SH-CG Seminole Heights
08:43:04 commercial general, providing an effective date.
08:43:07 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion by Mrs. Montelione.
08:43:09 I do hear a second?
08:43:12 I have a second by Mr. Cohen on item number 10.
08:43:15 All in favor of the motion please indicate by saying aye.
08:43:18 Opposed nay.
08:43:20 Motion passes 5 to 1.
08:43:22 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried with Reddick being absent and
08:43:27 Mulhern voting.
08:43:27 No second reading and adoption will be on May 3rd at
08:43:30 9:30 a.m.
08:43:34 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: We go to item number 11.
08:43:40 Before we do that, the clerk is going to need a couple
08:43:42 minutes recess to do some work.
08:43:44 Let me take a couple of minutes recess.
08:50:43 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: City Council is called back to order.
08:51:56 Roll call.
08:51:56 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Here.
08:52:00 >>HARRY COHEN: Here.
08:52:02 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Here.
08:52:02 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Here.
08:52:08 Okay, item number 11.
08:52:11 >>JAMES COOK: Land Development Coordination.
08:52:12 I have been sworn.
08:52:13 This is similar to item 5.
08:52:16 11 and 12 are related.
08:52:17 Case C-08-02, and V-12-64.
08:52:23 Like items 5 and 6, the special use is not contingent on the
08:52:27 alley getting approved. We can go to the Elmo.
08:52:33 Petitioner is requesting to vacate an alley, 21st Avenue
08:52:36 to 18th Avenue, between Cord Street and Carioca street.
08:52:58 This is a picture of the alley looking south at 21st
08:53:04 A couple of petitioners of the pick -- pictures of the
08:53:08 petitioner's property.
08:53:21 Staff has no objection as long as the easement approved.
08:53:28 >>ABBYE FEELEY: Land development.
08:53:31 Item 12 is V-12-64 located at 2921 Cord Street, a special
08:53:39 use request for a place of religious assembly.
08:53:43 If I may just before Tony gets up, this church was
08:53:47 established prior to place of religious assembly being a
08:53:53 special use.
08:53:53 So this has been there for a while.
08:53:56 But because they would like to make a modification, in and
08:53:59 out needs to become an official special use.
08:54:02 So what out there right now is conform.
08:54:04 County stay there.
08:54:05 It's considered special use considered to be conforming.
08:54:09 However, due to the modifications they now need to come in
08:54:12 and actually request the special use.
08:54:23 >>TONY GARCIA: Planning Commission staff.
08:54:24 I have been sworn.
08:54:28 I will be brief.
08:54:32 The land use category on this particular slide is
08:54:35 residential 35.
08:55:05 The land use category is residential 20 which allows
08:55:07 consideration for the uses.
08:55:11 This is for an expansion of an existing house of worship
08:55:14 which has already been established is part of the community.
08:55:18 Planning Commission staff finds the proposed request
08:55:20 consistent with comprehensive plan.
08:55:21 Thank you.
08:55:24 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: All right.
08:55:24 Just for the record, for the ones confused when you look at
08:55:27 11, it says see item 12.
08:55:29 When Lou at 12, it says see item 11.
08:55:33 So we have 11 on one item which is closing of an alley and
08:55:38 the actual changing of the use for special use is item 12.
08:55:43 So with that in mind, we do both of them simultaneously at
08:55:47 different times.
08:55:47 How do you like that?
08:55:50 >> Simultaneously at different times.
08:55:52 Abbye Feeley, land development.
08:55:55 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Did I say it correctly?
08:56:01 Did I wake you up?
08:56:02 >> There are eight waivers being requested with this special
08:56:07 use. And many of them are based on the existing building.
08:56:11 In a special use place of religious assembly, the yard needs
08:56:15 to be 40-foot with the exception of the front yard so you
08:56:17 will see that waiver number 1, 2 and 3 are related to
08:56:25 setbacks on the existing property.
08:56:27 There's also a waiver for access to a local street.
08:56:30 Waivers to reduce the off-street parking from 60 to 33
08:56:34 A waiver to reduce the drive aisle from 26 feet to 21 feet,
08:56:38 and 11 feet to 10 feet for the 45-degree spaces.
08:56:42 To increase the percentage of compact spaces from 65% to
08:56:46 82%, and lastly to allow for 100 percent grass parking which
08:56:51 is a typical waiver request on a place of religious assembly
08:56:55 given the places are only to be used twice a week for
08:56:58 services on Wednesdays and Sundays or whenever that may be.
08:57:03 Mr. Cook showed you some pictures of the property.
08:57:06 Let me go ahead and show you them as well.
08:57:08 This is Carioca looking west, is Carioca.
08:57:18 This is on Cord Street.
08:57:28 This is the same picture.
08:57:30 You can see that 21st is just off the property.
08:57:33 This is moving south on cord.
08:57:36 Further south on cord on the same side of the street.
08:57:43 Still on cord.
08:57:44 This is on the west side of cord.
08:57:46 This is multifamily.
08:57:50 Two family dwellings.
08:57:54 Just to the north of the property on the north side of
08:57:57 Also on the north side of 21st.
08:58:00 And then at the pie-shaped -- I'm sorry, I should have put
08:58:06 this up here -- there is a credit union, there is a hotel in
08:58:10 the CG here, and there's also a hotel down to the south
08:58:14 adjacent to I-4.
08:58:22 Further down on Carioca the church owns that other property
08:58:32 shown in red that Jim showed you.
08:58:35 It is in red.
08:58:36 Here is the hotel on the east side of Carioca.
08:58:38 Here is the aerial as well.
08:58:43 The credit union there.
08:58:44 And then they showed you the pictures of their residential,
08:58:49 and the subject property here with the alley in between and
08:58:52 the hotel.
08:59:04 The existing place was built prior to churches being special
08:59:08 The modification that they are proposing tonight is to
08:59:13 construct a fellowship hall.
08:59:17 Oh, I'm sorry, they want to construct a new sanctuary, and
08:59:20 they want to convert the existing sanctuary to be the
08:59:23 fellowship hall.
08:59:24 So it would be a 200 seat sanctuary, and 06 spaces would be
08:59:29 33 spaces are being provided.
08:59:34 I do need modifications in between first and second reading.
08:59:38 The waivers need to just be formatted as I have shown on the
08:59:41 first page of my staff report.
08:59:43 Transportation also has the site plan modifications.
08:59:47 And lastly, tree and landscape, planning and development,
08:59:50 natural resources.
08:59:52 I have I have provided all these modifications to Mr. Hill
08:59:56 who is for the applicant this evening.
08:59:58 And with those modifications staff would find the request
09:00:01 for the special use to be consistent.
09:00:03 I'm available for any questions.
09:00:04 Thank you.
09:00:06 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Any questions by council members?
09:00:16 >> My name is Thomas Hills. I live at 5805 north 20th
09:00:20 Street Tampa, Florida and I am sworn.
09:00:26 As you see this is a conforming church as it exists today.
09:00:30 But the congregation is seeking to improve their facilities.
09:00:36 As you know, we did need the alley vacated, as of seen the
09:00:44 plat, and down the middle of the property, and on our site
09:00:49 plan, one contiguous development.
09:00:57 The existing church could hold 200 as it stands.
09:01:05 But we don't have a social hall, and the church back then
09:01:12 the way it was designed in 1984 is really not designed the
09:01:17 way churches should function today.
09:01:22 So what we are doing is having the church with the sanctuary
09:01:26 brought up to a function of the church by the standards of
09:01:28 the City of Tampa and all those things that go along with it
09:01:31 and taking the social hall and the other church and social
09:01:38 Also, this particular church is a big thing in that
09:01:45 community there.
09:01:54 With them doing their changes to come up with the social to
09:02:00 do other functions, now other chumps are doing their thing
09:02:08 for their congregation.
09:02:09 Now they are able to bring their church up to conformity and
09:02:12 do all the things that they need to do. That's basically --
09:02:26 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Anyone to speak on these items, 11 and
09:02:30 Please come forward.
09:02:31 >> My name is Garry Jeffries, 4628 Fish Lake Road.
09:02:40 I'm here in support of the church.
09:02:43 And basically, the church, we are growing large enough and
09:02:50 we need to expand because we have -- you know, everybody has
09:03:04 family, and by developing a lot more we need to expand
09:03:12 church to accommodate, because sometimes we have functions,
09:03:15 and we have to move from our church to another church to
09:03:18 accommodate everyone.
09:03:22 And we could have the church for family and other things.
09:03:28 So we just ask, request the members to consider and because
09:03:36 we really need the church, and we just need help.
09:03:39 So as a member, I am asking the council.
09:03:46 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
09:03:46 Anyone else?
09:03:47 All right.
09:03:48 Petitioner, if you want a closing statement you are entitled
09:03:50 to that.
09:03:50 >> We just feel that it would be a good thing to get this
09:03:59 They have worked tirelessly hard. They have been trying to
09:04:01 do this for years.
09:04:03 We finally got to that point and we are just asking.
09:04:10 Thank you very much.
09:04:12 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Motion to close by Mr. Cohen, seconded by
09:04:13 Mrs. Montelione, close vote by Mr. Suarez on number 11 and
09:04:19 The ayes have it unanimously.
09:04:20 Mrs. Montelione, would you kindly take number 11?
09:04:24 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Sure.
09:04:30 I move an ordinance being presented for first reading
09:04:33 consideration, an ordinance vacating, closing,
09:04:34 discontinuing, and abandoning an alleyway lying east of cord
09:04:41 Street West of CARIOCA street and north of 18th Avenue
09:04:45 in Oak Park subdivision, a subdivision in the City of Tampa,
09:04:49 Hillsborough County, Florida, the same being more fully
09:04:51 described in section 1 hereof subject to certain easements,
09:04:55 covenants, conditions and restrictions as more particularly
09:04:58 described herein providing an effective date.
09:05:02 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Motion by Mrs. Montelione, second by Mr.
09:05:14 All in favor of that motion please indicate by saying aye.
09:05:17 Opposed nay.
09:05:17 The ayes have it unanimously.
09:05:19 Number 11.
09:05:21 Number 12.
09:05:21 Mr. Cohen, would you kindly take number 12?
09:05:24 >>HARRY COHEN: I move an ordinance being presented for
09:05:27 first reading consideration, an ordinance approving a
09:05:30 special use permit S-2 approving a place of religious
09:05:34 assembly in an RM-16 residential multifamily zoning district
09:05:39 in the general vicinity of 2921 Cord Street and 2924 north
09:05:45 CARIOCA street in the city of Tampa, Florida and as more
09:05:48 particularly described in section 1 hereof providing an
09:05:50 effective date.
09:05:51 And including the revision sheet that was attached to the
09:05:56 >> Second.
09:05:58 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion by Mr. Cohen on item
09:06:00 number 12 and second by Mr. Suarez.
09:06:02 All in favor of the motion please indicate by saying aye.
09:06:05 Opposed nay.
09:06:07 The ayes have it unanimously.
09:06:08 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried with Capin and Mulhern absent
09:06:16 ath vote and Reddick being absent.
09:06:19 Second reading on May 3rd at 9:30 a.m.
09:06:23 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion by Mrs. Montelione,
09:06:25 second by Mr. Suarez to receive all the documents.
09:06:27 All in favor of the motion?
09:06:29 The ayes have it unanimously.
09:06:31 New business.
09:06:32 Mr. Suarez.
09:06:32 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I have one item.
09:06:34 Thank you, chair.
09:06:36 I would like to invite wit Ostrenko to appear before City
09:06:42 Council on May 4th to announce the name. Recipient of
09:06:46 the 2012 national Hispanic scientist of the year.
09:06:52 The award, the award will be presented at an awards ceremony
09:06:57 at MOSI in October.
09:06:59 If we could have at 10:00 on May 4.
09:07:14 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Second by Mrs. Montelione.
09:07:15 All in favor?
09:07:16 The ayes have it unanimously.
09:07:20 Mr. Harry Cohen.
09:07:21 >>HARRY COHEN: Thank you very much, Mr. Chair.
09:07:23 Two items.
09:07:24 The first is to request a public workshop on April 26th
09:07:28 at 10 a.m. to discuss the privately initiated amendments to
09:07:32 the January 2012 text amendment cycle.
09:07:42 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a second by Mr. Suarez at 10 a.m.
09:07:45 on April 22 -- 26th.
09:07:49 All in favor of the motion indicate by saying aye.
09:07:51 Opposed nay.
09:07:52 The ayes have it unanimously.
09:07:53 >>HARRY COHEN: Second, I would like to make a motion asking
09:07:56 our attorney Mr. Shelby to prepare a resolution for
09:08:00 presentation on April 19th, 2012, declaring the week of
09:08:04 April 29th through May 5th, 2012, as municipal
09:08:08 clerks week and extend the council appreciate to the clerk's
09:08:12 office for all they do on our behalf.
09:08:13 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Second.
09:08:17 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Motion by Mr. Cohen, second by Mr.
09:08:20 All in favor?
09:08:21 The ayes have it unanimously.
09:08:24 Mrs. Montelione?
09:08:26 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Nothing.
09:08:30 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: You were 100 percent right today and this
09:08:33 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Thank you.
09:08:37 Thank you thank you.
09:08:39 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Anyone in the audience dire speak to this
09:08:42 I see no one.
09:08:44 We stand adjourned.
09:08:49 >> (Meeting adjourned)
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