TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
Thursday, September 13, 2012
5:01 p.m. Budget Session
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05:04:04 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: City Council is called to order.
05:05:25 Roll call.
05:05:25 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Here.
05:05:29 >>MARY MULHERN: Here.
05:05:30 >>HARRY COHEN: Here.
05:05:31 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Here.
05:05:32 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Here.
05:05:35 This afternoon at 5:01, starting now, we are going to have
05:05:40 the public hearings on items 1 and 2.
05:05:42 They are both non-quasi-judicial hearings.
05:05:46 And the first one is the fiscal year budget for 2013, and
05:05:50 that's concerning the proposed millage rate.
05:05:53 And the chair yields to the chairman of the Finance
05:05:55 Committee, Mr. Harry Cohen.
05:05:57 >> Thank you, Mr. Chair.
05:05:59 I need a motion to open the public hearing.
05:06:01 >> So moved.
05:06:02 >> Second.
05:06:02 >> We have a motion from Mr. Suarez, seconded by
05:06:07 Councilwoman Montelione.
05:06:09 All those in favor please indicate by saying aye.
05:06:12 This is the first public hearing for the City of Tampa
05:06:15 fiscal year 2013 budget.
05:06:17 The proposed millage rate is 5.7326 mills which is 2.47%
05:06:24 less than the roll back millage rate of 5.8777 mills.
05:06:30 Property tax funds are used to support the general fund
05:06:34 operating budget of the city.
05:06:36 This fund includes such departments as fire, rescue and
05:06:39 police, human resources, parks and recreation, and public
05:06:43 We have two presentations scheduled for tonight.
05:06:46 The first is from the City of Tampa and our budget director
05:06:51 Ms. Little.
05:06:55 >>SONYA LITTLE: Good afternoon, council members.
05:06:58 Thank you for hearing us this afternoon.
05:07:02 As Councilman Cohen indicated this is our first public
05:07:05 hearing for the recommended City of Tampa annual budget for
05:07:10 fiscal year 2013.
05:07:13 For today's public hearing, we'll revisit much of what we
05:07:17 have discussed in each of our public workshops as well as
05:07:22 our individual one on one briefings with each of our council
05:07:31 We will also give you an update on just a recap of
05:07:34 everything that we have done and how we arrived at balancing
05:07:37 the budget.
05:07:38 If you will recall, the budget process began when we asked
05:07:41 each of our city departments to provide a 5% budget
05:07:46 reduction scenario.
05:07:48 Again, that's city-wide.
05:07:50 There was several weeks and months that we actually had
05:07:53 discussions and vetted and analyzed each of those proposed
05:07:58 budget reductions.
05:08:02 And as we go through this presentation, you will see where
05:08:05 we actually landed an how we balanced the budget, including
05:08:08 these 5% budget reductions.
05:08:11 If I could ask that the budget presentation be brought up,
05:08:22 Again we'll start with our initial budget shortfall, the
05:08:28 steps we have taken will go over the highlights of the
05:08:30 proposed budget, including strong neighborhoods, capital
05:08:35 improvement program and the remaining budget calendar.
05:08:41 Again, starting out with a $27.8 million budget shortfall,
05:08:46 the correct factor through our 13 shortfalls included,
05:08:51 number one, general government capital projects.
05:08:54 This was over and above what we had originally anticipated.
05:08:59 They were directly related to infrastructure facilities and
05:09:03 vehicle replacement.
05:09:06 In addition to the general government capital projects that
05:09:08 I just described, we also had increases to our stormwater
05:09:13 capital program, both on the operating and the capital side.
05:09:19 There were pension increases of $3.2 million and also
05:09:26 annualized salary increases from the prior budget fiscal
05:09:29 year 2012 as well as fiscal year 2013 salary increases, and
05:09:38 also related to increases were 2% negotiated payment that
05:09:43 was awarded to employees to ho were not eligible for merit
05:09:52 We also had some improvement in our property values.
05:09:54 When we first started out the process, we were assuming
05:09:57 based on the State of Florida assumptions and Hillsborough's
05:10:02 we would be a 2% decline over the prior year.
05:10:05 And in essence we ended up at slightly lower at 1.42%
05:10:10 decline over the prior year, and we were able to realize
05:10:15 savings of $2.3 million headed towards the budget shortfall.
05:10:21 Additionally, it's no surprise that our health care costs
05:10:24 have increased, but I would like to highlight that even
05:10:26 though they have increased, it's not as bad as it could have
05:10:31 Our wellness centers that the city implemented last year
05:10:35 have benefited us greatly.
05:10:37 We have a lot of participation.
05:10:39 And though we did realize an increase, we believe that it
05:10:42 would have been significantly higher than we did realize
05:10:52 Continuing on with our steps taken to balance the budget
05:10:57 shortfall, we also -- the 5% reductions that I mentioned
05:11:03 earlier that we started the initial steps in our budget
05:11:06 process, we picked up $35.8 million where we streamlined our
05:11:12 operations throughout the city.
05:11:16 And that $5.8 million is largely contributed to reductions
05:11:20 based on spending analysis.
05:11:23 We looked at prior years.
05:11:24 Our departments continued to do an excellent job in managing
05:11:27 their individual department budgets, and we have continued
05:11:33 to tighten the strings on them.
05:11:35 They are continuing to provide the services that they are
05:11:38 directed to provide.
05:11:41 And that they are able to maintain their budget.
05:11:45 So in our individual analysis, we were able to lower the
05:11:50 spending for those departments for the funding available for
05:11:55 operations in those departments.
05:11:58 And additionally, we had, because of improved efficiencies
05:12:03 in our stormwater department, where we had budgeted to have
05:12:07 to subsidize $1.2 million, in excess of $1.2 million because
05:12:13 they were expected to have a zero fund balance, we actually
05:12:16 picked up $1.2 million.
05:12:19 And again that's all due to management of that department
05:12:21 and how they are managing their operations.
05:12:25 And their capital expenditures.
05:12:28 You have all heard before that we very carefully analyzed
05:12:33 our vacant positions and determined whether or not they are
05:12:37 providing the services that were directed to provide, and in
05:12:41 doing so we were able to eliminate four vacant positions in
05:12:47 public works and five vacant positions also under general
05:12:52 funds that do not include our enterprise positions that were
05:12:55 eliminated after this analysis.
05:12:57 But I want to back up to public works and also point out
05:13:00 that the elimination of those positions were due once again
05:13:04 to management initiatives to consolidate, for instance,
05:13:10 transportation projects and stormwater projects, were often
05:13:16 scheduled at different points in time, and through the
05:13:19 department's initiative they were able to combine that group
05:13:23 effort, so if there was work to be done in one area, they
05:13:26 would attach transportation, stormwater and whatever else
05:13:29 needs to be done in that area.
05:13:31 So based on improved efficiencies we were able to pick up
05:13:34 $300,000 from the positions that we were able to eliminate.
05:13:38 Again, vacant positions.
05:13:39 We have also talked about refinancing our enterprise
05:13:56 resource system partnership with Hillsborough County.
05:14:00 Instead of paying a huge lump sum, we wanted to take
05:14:03 advantage of the currently low-interest rate market
05:14:05 environment, tax exempt market environment to finance this
05:14:09 project, and in doing so, it gives us relief in this fiscal
05:14:13 year of $4.8 million.
05:14:17 Also moving along, more on the operations side.
05:14:20 We have talked about for the past year the subsidy that we
05:14:24 have to provide to our parking system.
05:14:26 And again, as it relate to the efforts of our staff, in the
05:14:33 parking system, we have been able to manage the operations
05:14:37 of the system, and we are now estimating that we would pick
05:14:44 up $2.4 million in savings as a result of decreased
05:14:49 operating expenditures.
05:14:52 In conjunction with the ERP systems, finances, we are also
05:14:57 looking to restructure the parking debt, which is secured by
05:15:00 our use tax, one of our major general funds revenue streams,
05:15:06 and in doing restructuring of this debt we would pick up an
05:15:10 additional $2.2 million or eliminate $2.2 million of debt
05:15:17 service that we would have to pay for fiscal year 2013, and
05:15:20 that will be over several years.
05:15:22 But roughly $2.2 million for the next several years.
05:15:28 We are pleased to announce that we did have improved
05:15:32 revenues coming in from our convention center, and that's
05:15:37 who contributed to addressing our shortfall.
05:15:41 We are expected to gain $2 million more than we originally
05:15:51 More on the operations side.
05:15:52 We all know that we are responsible for contributing one
05:15:56 third of the shortfall to Tampa Sports Authority for those
05:16:00 operating and capital with the county, Hillsborough County
05:16:04 contributing the remaining two-thirds.
05:16:09 We have satisfied in preparation for the NFL lockout a
05:16:12 reserve of $500,000 that we fortunately weren't obligated to
05:16:18 cover the shortfall because of the good news that they had
05:16:22 related to the short-fall.
05:16:25 We also had additional operating subsidies because of
05:16:31 operations managing more efficiently.
05:16:34 So their request from the city as it relates to Tampa Sports
05:16:37 Authority was lower than expected.
05:16:40 Additionally, we determined that it was in the best interest
05:16:44 of the city as it relates to the golf courses to reprogram
05:16:48 funding in the amount of $600,000 for the three golf courses
05:16:53 that the city owns from the general fund to CIT.
05:17:00 That was a better match, and it took more of the burden off
05:17:03 of the general fund by doing so.
05:17:07 Again, we already mentioned that property tax values came in
05:17:11 slightly better as far as a lower decline than originally
05:17:18 1.42% decline over the prior year instead of 2% resulting in
05:17:24 $300,000 towards the budget shortfall.
05:17:30 In summary, after taking all of these initiatives where we
05:17:34 picked up additional available funds or revenues by managing
05:17:39 our operating expenditures primarily, considering in
05:17:45 particular how stormwater and parking are being managed at
05:17:50 this point as well as evacuating our vacancies we ended up
05:17:56 with an $8.7 million shortfall that would have to be taken
05:17:59 from our general fund reserve.
05:18:04 Ending up with a balanced budget.
05:18:07 Now, based on that overall summary, pair it back a bit and
05:18:12 give you a snapshot of what this really means to the city.
05:18:18 Our total budget for '13 is $804 million, largely consisting
05:18:23 of 43% or $347 million for general fund activity.
05:18:29 That encompasses public safety.
05:18:32 All of our general government services such as public safety
05:18:35 as I mentioned, public works, parks and rec, for instance.
05:18:41 The other large component, the lighter blue piece of the pie
05:18:45 there, if you will, relates directly to our enterprise fund.
05:18:49 Water, wastewater, parking, water, wastewater, parking and
05:18:56 solid waste.
05:19:02 Carry it back even farther from the city-wide perspective
05:19:07 that we just talked about, the first pie chart to just the
05:19:10 general fund, which is the meat of what we are talking about
05:19:14 here, balancing our budget, where we started out with almost
05:19:19 $28 million shortfall, where we end up with this balanced
05:19:22 budget for our general fund expenditures is $347.2 million.
05:19:29 The pie chart breaks out the various components that the
05:19:33 general funds will satisfy.
05:19:36 These expenditures will go primarily again towards public
05:19:40 safety, with the second largest being attributable to
05:19:46 general fund central government expenditures, and that's
05:19:53 primarily the nonself-reporting departments of the city
05:19:56 including human resources, revenue and finance, P and I
05:20:02 purchasing to name a few.
05:20:08 Part of this hearing is directly associated with setting the
05:20:10 millage rate.
05:20:13 We have consistently held the millage rate steady at 5.7326
05:20:19 mills with no increases for this proposed 2013 budget year.
05:20:31 I would like to just point out that we are still, even
05:20:39 keeping -- holding our property taxes study steady for the
05:20:43 last several years, wanted to point out that we are still
05:20:49 proceeding very conservatively, with property taxes being
05:20:53 the largest revenue stream for the city, and starting to
05:21:00 realize some relief as far as our receipts of the other
05:21:03 general fund revenues.
05:21:07 I just want to point out that we are still in a good
05:21:10 position, though we still need to proceed cautiously,
05:21:13 because if you take property taxes, for instance, even
05:21:16 though our declines are starting to narrow from one year
05:21:20 over the next, we still have expenditures that far exceed
05:21:26 what we select in our property taxes alone.
05:21:29 For instance, fire and police at $206 million, our public
05:21:33 safety, which is essential service to the city, compared to
05:21:36 property taxes at 115.2.
05:21:42 What this does for us, where we actually end, we have them
05:21:47 talk about our available fund balance.
05:21:51 We all know that our policy is 20% of expenditures.
05:21:56 And where we are forecast to in 2013 or what we are budgeted
05:22:03 for is to end at 27%, so we are still in excess of our 20%
05:22:10 minimum policy.
05:22:15 Furthermore, very important to all of us is how some of our
05:22:23 funding is being utilized for our capital improvement
05:22:30 program starting out with strong neighborhoods.
05:22:32 We have a very strong history dating back to 2003 as far as
05:22:37 capital projects being associated or designated for our
05:22:40 neighborhood, starting back in 2003 at $2.6 million, and for
05:22:48 2013 budget year, $15 million.
05:22:59 You have all received, as a part of the budget, a book that
05:23:03 includes all the details on our capital improvement plan
05:23:06 from 2013 through 2017.
05:23:10 Our current five-year plan.
05:23:13 And by line item, it gives you a description of the projects
05:23:19 to be funded over the next five years.
05:23:22 This slide provides you with a summary by category of the
05:23:28 five-year program.
05:23:30 Just to highlight some of the larger ones, or the ones that
05:23:35 may be of greater interest.
05:23:36 Parks and rec budgeted over the next five years at
05:23:42 13-point -- almost $13.3 million.
05:23:45 Stormwater management almost $40 million.
05:23:49 Transportation, which would include street improvements,
05:23:52 resurfacing, sidewalks, et cetera, just under 50 million.
05:23:56 And again back to strong neighborhoods, the dollar amount
05:23:59 associated over the five-year plan almost 60 million.
05:24:05 With that provides an overall summary of what you received
05:24:13 in your budget books, and with today we start our initial
05:24:19 public hearing.
05:24:20 We are looking to come back before you with yet another
05:24:23 public hearing and presentation for final adoption on
05:24:27 September 27th.
05:24:28 >>HARRY COHEN: Thank you very much, Ms. Little.
05:24:33 I should apologize.
05:24:34 I identified you as the budget director at the beginning of
05:24:36 the presentation.
05:24:37 You are of course our chief financial officer.
05:24:41 Thank you very much for your presentation.
05:24:43 Before we go to our citizens advisory committee, I would
05:24:47 like to ask if any council members have questions or
05:24:51 comments for Ms. Little.
05:24:52 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you.
05:24:54 Ms. Little, we are looking at the correct factors to where
05:24:59 our shortfall is, and I think the health care costs of 1.3
05:25:06 Do you have any numbers as to what it would have been if we
05:25:09 did not have the wellness centers that we have in operation?
05:25:18 Because usually it's a percentage.
05:25:20 I mean, if we are only at about 4 or 5%, just from my
05:25:25 experience and private business, would be a fairly good
05:25:30 I mean, obviously, I think that we are probably below that,
05:25:33 based on what we have got in terms of our total costs.
05:25:36 I just wanted to find out what that number was.
05:25:40 >>SONYA LITTLE: We can provide that to you.
05:25:42 We have reviewed what the cost savings and cost difference
05:25:45 and provide the actual.
05:25:46 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Terrific.
05:25:48 Another question I have, on our debt service -- and this is
05:25:51 important to me because we talked about whether debt service
05:25:54 should continue to be carried on based on our particular
05:25:58 situation, and we had these discussions privately.
05:26:05 And to me I think it's an important point to make as to the
05:26:09 amount of debt that we take on, where we are going to be in
05:26:12 the future.
05:26:12 Our 5% debt service based on our total budget that we have,
05:26:19 where do we stack up in terms of other cities?
05:26:23 And I know that based on your experience you have dealt with
05:26:25 a lot of different municipalities in the state.
05:26:28 What has been your experience in terms of our debt service
05:26:31 in relation to our total budget?
05:26:34 >>SONYA LITTLE: Right.
05:26:35 And I can give you some direct feedback.
05:26:37 We just had a ratings review on our general obligation, or
05:26:43 our issuer rating as well as sales tax, to CIT, and also
05:26:49 utilities tax, with Fitch ratings, and we actually received
05:26:52 the ratings last week, Friday, review.
05:26:55 And their response was that the way that all of our debt
05:26:58 city-wide is structured, it structured in a way that
05:27:03 repayment is accelerated meaning we don't have a whole lot
05:27:06 of debt that's back-loaded.
05:27:09 And so we got very good recognition for the way that we
05:27:14 structured our debt.
05:27:16 And also we are considered to be a very modest debt burden.
05:27:22 >>MIKE SUAREZ: And the reason I'm asking is because when
05:27:24 you look at it on the page when it says 5%, it's really the
05:27:28 structure of the debt itself in terms of when our repayment
05:27:31 obligations are due, the type of debt that we have, where we
05:27:34 are going to be in terms of repayment, correct?
05:27:37 >>SONYA LITTLE: That's correct.
05:27:39 >>MIKE SUAREZ: And then the bond houses look at that in
05:27:42 relation to all the other things that we are doing on a
05:27:44 positive basis as to where our bond rating is going to be.
05:27:50 >>SONYA LITTLE: That's correct.
05:27:51 And to put it into further perspective, one of the things
05:27:54 that the rating agencies look at is to see if your principal
05:27:59 or the amount of debt that you pay off in the first ten
05:28:01 years is greater than 50% or not.
05:28:04 And if it's greater than 50%, that's great.
05:28:07 So we have a large amount of our debt that's being paid off
05:28:09 in our early years.
05:28:11 >>MIKE SUAREZ: One last question.
05:28:14 Thank you, chair.
05:28:15 In terms of our obligation to our pension, a couple of
05:28:21 things that I had looked at, obviously we have a $3.2
05:28:24 million shortfall that we are making up.
05:28:26 We are still, in relation to other cities and municipalities
05:28:29 across the state, one of the top ten in terms of where we
05:28:33 meet our obligations for pensions, correct?
05:28:37 >>SONYA LITTLE: That's correct.
05:28:38 As far as being funded, we are in excess of roughly 90% for
05:28:44 S&P and it 8% funded for general -- 98% funded for general
05:28:51 They have actually taken the advice of our act actuarial
05:28:54 accounts and made a recommendation at the annual
05:28:57 Quite often, state and local governments don't always make
05:29:03 deposits at the recommended level.
05:29:04 Every year, the City of Tampa has done so.
05:29:07 That's why our funded levels are quite high, and that again
05:29:10 is what is a huge credit plus for our city.
05:29:17 >> And because we have done that over the course of many
05:29:20 years we are not in the kind of credit hole that other
05:29:25 cities are in currently.
05:29:26 >>> That's correct.
05:29:29 >>MIKE SUAREZ: And I saw on the pension forecast an 8 and a
05:29:35 10% return expected, and you are smiling.
05:29:38 I am wondering -- and I do we don't manages pension funds --
05:29:46 is that something you may think is a little pie in the sky?
05:29:49 In your experience what do you think in terms of that?
05:29:52 Obviously it affects on where we are going to be in terms of
05:29:54 our contribution, too.
05:29:55 >>SONYA LITTLE: Right.
05:29:58 That is the recommended assumed rate by the again our
05:30:00 actuarial accountant.
05:30:04 It's challenged nationwide.
05:30:06 Everyone always challenges it.
05:30:08 It's not just our assumed rate, but it's typically anywhere
05:30:13 between 6 and some upwards of 9% that local governments use
05:30:18 as their assumed rate.
05:30:20 And the reason being is that instead of one year the
05:30:28 accountant looks at it over a 20-year period.
05:30:31 So as we experience the peaks and evaluation, and then they
05:30:35 factor in on top of that our assertions as it relates to the
05:30:40 number of employees and the plan, the age of the employees
05:30:43 in the plan and so forth.
05:30:44 So their methodology is called smoothing at this point.
05:30:47 And that methodology is discussed quite frequently.
05:30:52 It may change sometime in the future.
05:30:54 But that's how we get to our assumed rate.
05:30:56 It's over a long period of time, not just one year, two
05:31:01 years, three years.
05:31:02 Because of the nature of the pension fund being a long,
05:31:05 long, long payout period.
05:31:08 >> And I appreciate that.
05:31:10 Because one of the things that surprised me was that means
05:31:12 that they feel like in the next ten years the economy is
05:31:15 going to be doing fairly well, and that's why I wanted to
05:31:18 make sure that that number was correct.
05:31:20 So thank you, Ms. Little.
05:31:23 Thank you, chair.
05:31:24 >>HARRY COHEN: Councilwoman Montelione.
05:31:25 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Thank you for not only being here
05:31:30 tonight but enduring our never-ending questions leading up
05:31:35 to the second hearing.
05:31:38 A few questions.
05:31:40 And we dip into the reserves once again.
05:31:47 And what number are we at before we reach a threshold of
05:31:52 that 20%?
05:31:57 >>SONYA LITTLE: We can spare an additional 26 million to
05:32:02 get to 20.
05:32:03 Our 20% threshold.
05:32:05 >>LISA MONTELIONE: And I know that we did last year, did we
05:32:11 this year, hopefully we are not going to go there again next
05:32:15 year, but I just wanted to know what kind of cushion we have
05:32:18 left, since this is the second year in a row that we are
05:32:21 going into that reserve account.
05:32:22 >> Yes, ma'am.
05:32:24 >>LISA MONTELIONE: On one of the pages you had the summary,
05:32:34 capital improvement program summary, 57,863, attributed to
05:32:41 strong neighborhoods.
05:32:41 Can you tell me what categories of projects would things
05:32:45 fall under strong neighborhoods, and what makes up that
05:32:52 >>SONYA LITTLE: Yes, ma'am.
05:32:53 Primarily, street improvements, everything related to
05:33:04 Streetlights, sidewalks, any type of repairs directly
05:33:13 associated with aquatic facilities, also included in there,
05:33:21 our park systems are also included in there as well.
05:33:24 So all of those capital improvements.
05:33:30 >>LISA MONTELIONE: So anything we do with parks including
05:33:31 the pools, and we know that not every neighborhood is served
05:33:36 by a pool, but there are some that are fortunate that they
05:33:43 do have and getting those pools operating?
05:33:53 In looking at the dollar amounts attributed, the strong
05:33:58 neighborhoods, 57,863 for me take S drop in the bucket.
05:34:02 I mean, there's so much that needs to be done in our
05:34:06 Infrastructure needs to be addressed and especially when
05:34:09 talking about sidewalks.
05:34:09 >>SONYA LITTLE: If I can clarify for you, Councilwoman,
05:34:13 that this is not all that's going on in those neighborhoods.
05:34:16 These are the categories that we thought would satisfy the
05:34:21 definition of what the program was originally intended for.
05:34:26 It does not include like the large structural --
05:34:33 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Sort of a misnomer because I don't want
05:34:36 anybody looking at this presentation that number and saying
05:34:39 that's all?
05:34:40 That's all we are investing in our neighborhoods?
05:34:41 So it needs to be apparent that there are other activities
05:34:45 associated with improvements within our neighborhoods that
05:34:50 aren't reflected in that $57,863,000,000 number.
05:34:55 >>SONYA LITTLE: Thank you for pointing that out.
05:34:57 It's just the program as it was originally structured, and
05:35:00 highlighting those projects that would fit under that
05:35:03 original program.
05:35:05 >>LISA MONTELIONE: And that brings me to the breakdown of
05:35:09 capital improvements by districts that was provided, both a
05:35:15 blessing and a curse, I think, because, as you can see, some
05:35:20 areas that have a lot of projects going on, you can see
05:35:22 other areas don't have a lot of projects, and my district is
05:35:26 one of those that does not have a very long list.
05:35:29 So I'm concerned about the deterioration especially of the
05:35:39 north Tampa area and the Tampa Palms area, because those are
05:35:43 streets and roads that we are responsible for.
05:35:47 And I did an address with Mr. Herd just yesterday, and we
05:35:57 have a lot of stormwater needs, and we have a lot -- I can't
05:36:00 emphasize how much we need stormwater addressed, even though
05:36:04 we have some very large, very expensive projects underway.
05:36:10 There is still a tremendous unmet need.
05:36:12 And that unmet need can lead to the deterioration of our
05:36:20 revenue. And driving around some of those roads you can see
05:36:23 where the flooding has created problems on our asphalt and
05:36:27 deterioration of the areas of the right-of-way, the ponding,
05:36:31 and there's sand and mud in a lot of places even though it
05:36:36 hasn't rained in a while.
05:36:38 So this concerns me.
05:36:40 I had asked for a list of dollar amounts attributed to each
05:36:47 of those projects but I guess we are still working on that.
05:36:51 >>SONYA LITTLE: I do have some information for you.
05:36:53 We weren't able to connect prior to the meeting.
05:36:56 I apologize for that.
05:36:57 But also wanted to point out the misconception as far as
05:37:05 strong neighborhoods program.
05:37:06 There may be some misinterpretation regarding the maps that
05:37:11 were provided to each of you related to the various
05:37:14 districts, the projects being done in each district.
05:37:21 Those maps only include what was programmed for fiscal year
05:37:25 So projects that may have begun in '10, '11, '12 or even
05:37:31 programs in our capital plan for '14 through even '17 will
05:37:37 not be on those maps.
05:37:38 So that may be a little misleading.
05:37:40 It's not the full story.
05:37:41 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Thank you for that clarification.
05:37:51 Even though there's not a lot of general public here,
05:37:54 hopefully they are watching.
05:37:55 And that's the questions I wanted to clarify for now.
05:37:58 Thank you.
05:37:58 >> Councilwoman Capin.
05:38:05 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Good evening, Mrs. Little.
05:38:06 Thank you for being here.
05:38:07 And thank you for asking the question on the health care
05:38:10 cost, because I would like to know the same.
05:38:13 >>SONYA LITTLE: Absolutely.
05:38:16 >>YVONNE CAPIN: That's my note on here.
05:38:30 On the strong neighborhoods -- bear with me a second here.
05:38:44 We are looking at all these numbers.
05:38:45 We have parks and rec, and it's $13.3 million.
05:38:58 When we go down to strong neighborhoods and it's
05:39:01 $57,863,000, is that over and above what is the 13 million?
05:39:13 >> It's the five-year period.
05:39:14 >> It's the five-year?
05:39:16 >>SONYA LITTLE: Yes.
05:39:19 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Thank you.
05:39:21 >>HARRY COHEN: Councilwoman Mulhern.
05:39:23 >>MARY MULHERN: Thank you, Ms. Little.
05:39:26 It was very clear.
05:39:27 I guess my question is more long-range as we look at what's
05:39:31 happened with our very healthy fund balance that we started
05:39:37 with a couple years ago to now we are again spending $8.7
05:39:46 million out of the fund balance.
05:39:49 Which looks to me like that would take us, if we even stayed
05:39:52 on that same trend of taking out that much in the next two
05:39:59 years, we would be down to very little, almost nothing.
05:40:08 But I just wondered, what is the thought?
05:40:11 The next two years in the budget of how we are going to deal
05:40:14 with the fact that we will not have that room to borrow so
05:40:19 much, or use so much from the fund balance to balance the
05:40:26 >>SONYA LITTLE: Right.
05:40:30 First and format is continuing on the track of improving
05:40:34 efficiencies city-wide.
05:40:35 In addition to that, our forecast as it relates to our
05:40:39 economy statewide and proactive that we are anticipating
05:40:45 growth, and improvements in our revenue streams coming in,
05:40:49 although they are slow to moderate as they come in.
05:40:52 And then again our goal, the third factor, our goal of never
05:40:56 going below the 20% threshold that we have established.
05:41:01 >> Optimistic.
05:41:08 I don't think our property taxes certainly -- we wouldn't
05:41:13 expect them to be going up that much.
05:41:15 So it looks like we are going to have to really take some
05:41:20 >> We are tightening our belts.
05:41:22 >>MARY MULHERN: Efficiencies get to a point to where you
05:41:28 can't just keep -- we want -- the layoffs, I know not
05:41:42 filling our every vacancy that becomes available.
05:41:45 >>SONYA LITTLE: Yes, we are continuing to monitor it, and
05:41:49 our forecast moving forward, we believe we will be able to
05:41:55 continue to support and meet our thresholds.
05:41:58 We are all very concerned, very conscious of maintaining our
05:42:02 healthy fund balance for that very reason.
05:42:04 And so as we move along, we adjust our forecast accordingly,
05:42:10 and we believe that we are proceeding in a manner that will
05:42:14 protect us in the upcoming years.
05:42:17 >>HARRY COHEN: Councilman Reddick.
05:42:27 >>FRANK REDDICK: Two questions.
05:42:31 Last year, we received recommendations from the citizens
05:42:37 advisory committee on budget and finance.
05:42:42 Could you tell me how many of those recommendations did the
05:42:44 city implement from this committee?
05:42:49 >>SONYA LITTLE: Yes, sir.
05:42:50 If I may, first of all, I failed to thank the advisory board
05:42:53 for their participation in this process.
05:42:56 Each of you had some very strong appointees that we were
05:43:00 able to have some very, very good dialogue with.
05:43:05 They cared a lot about our city, and really wanted to gain
05:43:10 as much information as they possibly could.
05:43:13 We met with them several times during this process in a very
05:43:18 short period of time where department heads or department
05:43:21 representatives from each of the city's departments actually
05:43:24 came in and provided a presentation for them, and
05:43:28 Councilman, I understand that they are going to provide you
05:43:30 with their own presentation immediately following me as far
05:43:37 as their recommendations are concerned.
05:43:38 We received some preliminary information, and I believe the
05:43:42 draft of the recommendation that's going before you today.
05:43:46 >>FRANK REDDICK: Yes, I was speaking of the previous year.
05:43:48 >>SONYA LITTLE: The previous year, I apologize.
05:43:52 The previous year, we took care of solid waste which was one
05:43:55 of their priorities.
05:43:57 High on their list.
05:43:58 And I believe -- thank you.
05:44:09 The director of budget and neighborhoods just reminded me,
05:44:12 consolidation of grants administrator.
05:44:17 So there were recommendations on there as we went through
05:44:19 the process were already underway but most notable was the
05:44:25 solid waste recommendation.
05:44:26 >>FRANK REDDICK: My second question prior to a comment is
05:44:31 that lately there is a lot of this discussion in the news
05:44:38 about cameras that were left over from the RNC.
05:44:43 And we are scheduled to discuss that next week in a
05:44:50 workshop, I believe.
05:44:52 And one of the questions I expect to come up is during this
05:44:56 workshop is probably the maintenance costs to Maine maintain
05:45:02 the cameras, if they are installed, or those that are up now
05:45:08 stay downtown or if they move to another part of the city.
05:45:11 I believe the question is going to come up about maintenance
05:45:15 Do you have any projection or estimate what is the cost to
05:45:23 maintain those cameras?
05:45:27 Chief Castor: It would be somewhere around $100,000.
05:45:31 >>FRANK REDDICK: Who is that speaker?
05:45:34 Oh, I didn't know who was speaking.
05:45:35 >> No, sir, that would be negotiable.
05:45:42 We would have to negotiate with that company.
05:45:44 But there are a couple of fees associated with it.
05:45:48 And just in a ballpark figure would be somewhere around 80
05:45:53 to 100,000.
05:45:54 It could go higher, cot go lower depending on the usage and
05:45:58 the amount of time we sign those contracts for.
05:46:00 >>FRANK REDDICK: Thank you.
05:46:07 Do I stand correct, there's one year remaining?
05:46:12 >> We have not closed the contract with that company.
05:46:14 And the maintenance agreement begins the day that it's
05:46:17 So we will have a year's maintenance paid for at the time
05:46:21 that we sign on the bottom line for that contract, which has
05:46:24 not been completed yet.
05:46:25 >>FRANK REDDICK: All right, thank you.
05:46:29 >>HARRY COHEN: Any on the council members have any
05:46:32 additional questions for our chief financial officer?
05:46:36 Councilwoman Capin.
05:46:38 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Real quick.
05:46:39 I hate to bring this up but I want to clarify.
05:46:42 When we sign on the contract for the cameras, we will be --
05:46:46 part of that contract is the 80,000 or whatever that year's
05:46:49 maintenance is?
05:46:51 >> Chief Castor: No. There are still a couple little minor
05:46:56 issues that need to be worked out with that system.
05:46:59 And so we have not accepted that.
05:47:01 The City of Tampa has not fully accepted that system yet.
05:47:04 And that's a point that we sign off on that, the prepaid
05:47:08 maintenance will go from a year from that date.
05:47:10 So we will not have to pay for it at a minimum for one year.
05:47:17 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Thank you for clarifying that.
05:47:18 >>MARY MULHERN: Thank you.
05:47:21 Chief Castor, maybe this question is for you, too.
05:47:25 I had thought about asking for this tonight.
05:47:26 But since you are here, and the topic came up, considering
05:47:33 the cost, I guess maybe before our next budget hearing, or
05:47:38 if possible before next week's discussion, workshop on the
05:47:46 cameras, we could also hear, have a breakdown of the cost of
05:47:52 all the equipment we purchased.
05:47:53 So I think it's really, in light of the budget shortfall and
05:47:57 what we anticipate in the next couple of years, to think
05:48:03 about any of the equipment that we bought that might not
05:48:05 have really been necessary even for the convention that we
05:48:12 might be able to sell that, some of those materials, and
05:48:16 really could fill some holes in our budget.
05:48:18 I know I think it was around 25 million that we spent on
05:48:25 Is that right?
05:48:26 >> Chief Castor: No.
05:48:28 The vast majority of the funding went to those personnel,
05:48:31 and I can give you a breakdown of how that funding was
05:48:36 >> That would be great.
05:48:38 >> I'll have that provided to you by Monday.
05:48:40 >>MARY MULHERN: Thanks a lot.
05:48:43 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I apologize.
05:48:45 And this is for you, Ms. Little.
05:48:50 This is your show.
05:48:51 I mean, she showed up.
05:48:53 When is our current fund balance right now?
05:48:56 >>SONYA LITTLE: 103 million.
05:48:58 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you.
05:49:00 That's all I needed.
05:49:01 Thank you, chair.
05:49:02 >> If I may.
05:49:04 Did we locate the information that you were asking about as
05:49:07 it relates to health care costs.
05:49:09 The differential or the savings that we would have realized,
05:49:13 or the avoidance cost is $1.5 million.
05:49:15 >> Significant.
05:49:19 >>SONYA LITTLE: It's significant.
05:49:21 >>HARRY COHEN: Thank you very much.
05:49:24 We are now going to hear from our citizens advisory
05:49:27 And I believe Mr. Greenlee, who is the chair of that
05:49:30 committee, is going to make the presentation.
05:49:32 >> Good evening, Mr. Chair and council members.
05:49:39 My name is George M. Greenlee, the chairman of the citizens
05:49:43 advisory committee on the budget and finance.
05:49:45 And I do have a presentation for you tonight.
05:49:48 So if we can bring up the PowerPoint presentation.
05:50:18 First, I would like to give some acknowledgments to my
05:50:21 fellow committee members.
05:50:21 I must say this was a collaborative effort.
05:50:24 We all participated, and we had some very lively discussion.
05:50:28 Besides myself on the committee, our vice chairman, Kimberly
05:50:33 Overman and all the members, Mark Anderson, Tony Casibo,
05:50:38 Gina Grimes, Evan Nesters and Willy Stokes.
05:50:41 We met a very short period of time.
05:50:44 We started meeting in July and we met 14 times since about
05:50:47 mid July meeting with various members of city staff.
05:50:52 One of the things that came up in our committee meeting is,
05:50:56 the committee to continue, we wanted to get started a little
05:51:00 earlier, for example, those 14 meetings in a very short
05:51:06 period of time, we would like to start meeting in November,
05:51:09 maybe monthly.
05:51:10 One of the things we were unable to do is actually go out
05:51:14 and visit some of the operations, and we think we can get a
05:51:16 better feel of some of these operations in the various
05:51:21 departments are making if we can actually go see some things
05:51:23 and how they operate, and what kind of efficiencies are
05:51:26 being done.
05:51:27 Also, I would like to give some acknowledgments to the city
05:51:31 staff that helped support us, Ms. Heartwick, legislative
05:51:37 aide, Dennis O'Hara, and the chief assistant city attorney
05:51:43 Sal Territo.
05:51:44 They did a great job in helping us.
05:51:50 As you can see, we had a number of members of the city
05:51:54 administrators and directors come in.
05:51:57 Also, I would like to thank them publicly for coming in and
05:52:00 spending some time to talk with us.
05:52:01 They were very generous with their time and we really
05:52:05 appreciate their efforts.
05:52:06 And they had no qualms about answering any questions that we
05:52:09 put forth.
05:52:16 So the first thing the committee wanted to do before we came
05:52:19 up with our recommendations and looked at the big picture
05:52:22 where we are, what's the current economic and fiscal
05:52:27 environment that the city is facing?
05:52:28 And a lot of this information that we got came from the
05:52:31 University of Central Florida institute of economic
05:52:34 competitiveness report as of July 2012.
05:52:39 We know what the unemployment situation is.
05:52:42 And it's about 8.6%.
05:52:45 And our projections as far as we can tell is that it's going
05:52:49 to stay pretty high, 7.4% through 2016.
05:52:55 Housing was a big industry in Florida. And it's kind of
05:53:02 lingered on the bottom.
05:53:03 And we don't know when -- maybe we are in the trough but we
05:53:07 don't know.
05:53:09 Citizens throughout the city and the county have experienced
05:53:11 layoffs and pay cuts and furloughs, so we all understand
05:53:15 there are hardships being imposed on many of us.
05:53:19 And also the UCF projection says the payroll employment grew
05:53:25 in Florida was only 1.1%, in 2011, and it's expected to slow
05:53:31 down even this year.
05:53:40 So the next several years, the predicted budget increases as
05:53:46 you probably well know are going to come from personnel
05:53:48 costs, which is currently, as we figure, about 82% of the
05:53:52 general fund expenditures.
05:53:54 Now, the proposed withdrawal of $8.7 million from the fund
05:54:00 balance is about 45% more than what they did last year.
05:54:07 They drew down $6 million last year, and drawing down
05:54:12 another 8.7 million.
05:54:14 That's a 45% increase from what they drew down last year.
05:54:18 And this is the third consecutive year that they have to dip
05:54:21 into the fund balance.
05:54:25 That is a concern to the committee, particularly the trend
05:54:28 which this is going that we see this continued stepping into
05:54:31 the fund balance.
05:54:35 In fact, if we look at the chart here -- and this is
05:54:39 provided by the city -- you can see what's happened to
05:54:41 property taxes over the last few years.
05:54:44 Revenues from property taxes peaking at about fiscal year
05:54:50 2000, they continued to decline even for the forecast for
05:54:52 the fiscal year 13 to under $115 million.
05:54:57 On the other hand, though, and we look at personnel costs
05:55:00 from the general fund.
05:55:02 You can see that has been trending up until about fiscal
05:55:05 year '11.
05:55:07 It went down in fiscal 12 and the projection for fiscal 13
05:55:12 is that it's going to go up a little.
05:55:17 And Mrs. Little already talked about where some of this
05:55:23 shortfall is coming from so I won't go over that again.
05:55:30 The contributing factors.
05:55:32 Let me go back one second.
05:55:36 As I pointed out at the bottom of this chart, as you see,
05:55:39 the 45% increase and dipping into the fund balance.
05:55:47 One of the things -- and if I can P put this on the Elmo --
05:55:52 there are some questions already about how much we are
05:55:54 dipping into the fund balance.
05:55:56 And we want to stay above that 20% threshold.
05:55:59 And here is 2010.
05:56:06 Here is 20%.
05:56:11 You can see the trend going down F.this trend continues, and
05:56:16 we are a very short while before we hit that 20% threshold.
05:56:19 And the committee was concerned about that.
05:56:22 We felt in terms of property tax revenues, it's going to be
05:56:29 another downward trend in revenues in 2014.
05:56:34 We hope not.
05:56:35 We hope that we hit the trough.
05:56:36 But this was of particular concern to us, how soon do we get
05:56:40 to this 20% threshold in the fund balance?
05:56:44 And that extremely concerned us.
05:56:53 So some of the recommendations of the committee.
05:56:59 One of the recommends we think is important is to conduct a
05:57:04 new conversation of manpower through all levels of the city.
05:57:08 It's our understanding that the last real comprehensive
05:57:11 study of manpower and compensation was before the economic
05:57:16 If I am correct it might have been 2004, and a lot of things
05:57:19 have changed, market conditions since that time, salaries
05:57:24 have kind of stayed flat.
05:57:25 We also understand that negotiation with the city employee
05:57:30 unions are coming up for fiscal year 2014.
05:57:33 And it would be nice if we could have some sort of survey
05:57:36 that tells us about current market conditions in terms of
05:57:39 salaries with other public agencies and others so that when
05:57:43 we go over negotiations that we have a good idea of where
05:57:47 the City of Tampa employees salary scale and compensation
05:57:50 stands relative to other public agencies in this area, in
05:57:53 this region.
05:57:56 So if that survey is utilized in those negotiations.
05:58:04 Also, we are recommend that you fully implement suspension
05:58:08 of the longevity bonus.
05:58:10 We understand it has been historically done here, but as
05:58:14 long as we continue to dip into the fund balance, and the
05:58:19 question that comes up, we think that should be suspended
05:58:22 until the fund balance starts going the other way.
05:58:26 Same thing would be true in the 2% negotiated payments.
05:58:29 We think that should be suspended until we see a turnaround
05:58:34 in that fund balance.
05:58:43 One of the things the committee thought -- and this is
05:58:45 probably more long-term is -- we would like to see more T
05:58:49 city seeking more public-private partnerships as well as
05:58:52 community partnerships to improve some of the outcomes and
05:58:55 responsibilities of delivering services to the cities, and
05:59:00 to the neighborhoods and businesses.
05:59:04 It was very interesting when we had meetings and
05:59:07 presentations from the parks director, Mr. Baird, he brought
05:59:11 up some very interesting ideas about the community
05:59:15 And we felt some of the things that he presented were very
05:59:19 interesting and intriguing.
05:59:27 I skipped a page.
05:59:29 If we go back to look at the top recommendation, amend the
05:59:39 city charter to align the state investment policy, take
05:59:43 advantage of diversified selection of investments while
05:59:46 managing ring.
05:59:47 It's our understanding that the city investment policy of
05:59:53 cash that they have on hand is very conservative, investing
05:59:57 in U.S. treasuries, and what's happening in the financial
06:00:00 markets, is next to nothing.
06:00:04 If the city were to align their investment policy with the
06:00:06 state statutes, not saying that they have to do that, but it
06:00:11 would give them a little more flexibility to be able to deal
06:00:13 with all the changes that are occurring in the marketplace,
06:00:17 and the state doesn't have an overly risky investment
06:00:22 In fact, it's very conservative.
06:00:24 But we think it would do the city some benefit to bring the
06:00:27 city's investment policy in line with the state statutes.
06:00:33 The other thing that we will recommend is that a fleet
06:00:39 efficiency study be completed, looking at both the
06:00:41 equipment, vehicle fleets, and consider things like fleet
06:00:45 size, energy efficiency and maintenance efficiency and
06:00:51 mileage limitations.
06:00:53 We would like to see that study done with the entire city
06:00:56 fleet, okay.
06:00:57 Parking, as you know, has been sort of a bug for the city
06:01:03 for the last few years.
06:01:04 One of the things we think is that the parking rate should
06:01:06 be brought up to parking levels.
06:01:08 It's our understanding that the parking rates are still
06:01:11 below the market rates in the area.
06:01:15 They are a bit below.
06:01:16 And I don't think the city would lose any revenue, in fact
06:01:19 possibly would gain some revenue if we were to come up to
06:01:22 closer what the prevailing parking rates are for parking.
06:01:26 The other concern we have with non-resident service fees.
06:01:29 I know Tampa is sort of like the urban area for Hillsborough
06:01:34 County, and we know that there are a lot of non-city
06:01:39 residents that come in and use our facilities.
06:01:41 And we just would like to be able to see that they pay some
06:01:44 of the costs of them coming in without trying to discourage
06:01:48 them from coming in.
06:01:50 And in economics they have a name for that, the freeloader
06:01:54 problem, and if somebody is going to use our city
06:01:57 facilities, the taxpayers of the City of Tampa are already
06:02:00 paying for this.
06:02:03 Nonresidents should bear some of that cost.
06:02:07 One of the other things that's very interesting is the study
06:02:09 about the reduction of triple pickup schedule for the solid
06:02:13 waste department.
06:02:14 I don't know what happens in your neighborhood, but in my
06:02:16 neighborhood, on Thursdays, I get three pickups.
06:02:20 The garbage pickup, I get yard waste pickup and I get
06:02:24 recycling pickup.
06:02:25 So I have three trucks coming to my home.
06:02:27 And I think you can reduce that from three pickups to two,
06:02:33 for example, maybe combining the yard waste pickup and trash
06:02:37 pickup, and that might be able to save.
06:02:39 I don't know.
06:02:40 Maybe a study has to be done.
06:02:42 But that could conceivably possibly save some funds coming
06:02:46 from solid waste.
06:02:52 I already mentioned about public-private partnerships.
06:02:59 As we look at our next recommendation, one of the things
06:03:01 that came up in the committee was the innovation team
06:03:07 separate from the IT department.
06:03:08 Now the innovation team, what some cities are doing is
06:03:12 coming up with new ideas, new efficiencies, even having sort
06:03:16 of an incubation for new start-up companies.
06:03:19 I know everybody wants to try existing businesses.
06:03:23 But if you look at some of the cities, help start-up
06:03:32 companies, small businesses, entrepreneurs that have some
06:03:34 ideas, and innovation director would go out and look at
06:03:39 other cities and see what kind of programs, what's worked
06:03:41 for them, best practices sort of thing, and try to bring
06:03:45 that back to our city.
06:03:46 So that's from I.T., okay?
06:03:57 Some of the things that are probably going to be more
06:03:59 long-term than short-term in terms of making the city more
06:04:02 effective in fiscal management is we want to also see --
06:04:08 continue work to centralize, and have more increased
06:04:14 For example, with the cities and counties, Felipe
06:04:19 management, would like to see more of that going on,
06:04:22 developing a better matrix in the city.
06:04:27 Still it's understanding that's still kind of a cumbersome
06:04:32 That might encourage businesses and also start-ups, to sort
06:04:37 of streamline that.
06:04:38 I know the city is making efforts, and we would like to see
06:04:41 that continue, maybe the pace pick up.
06:04:44 Also, develop some better economic development.
06:04:48 As I said start-up and industries.
06:04:52 Continue some of the focus on the efficiencies that have
06:04:55 already begun.
06:04:57 The city is implementing that in the prior resource program,
06:05:00 I think it's supposed to be fully completed by 2016.
06:05:04 I don't know if it's possible to speed that up.
06:05:07 We would like to see that continue and the pace pick up.
06:05:14 The city has been doing a job in reducing staff.
06:05:18 There are some positions that have not been filled, without
06:05:23 reducing or diminishing services, deliver to the citizens.
06:05:27 We would like to see that continued.
06:05:31 We also protect the bond ratings.
06:05:36 That's one of the advantages that Tampa has, is they have a
06:05:39 very good bond rating, so they have been able to pay low
06:05:44 And you probably know that they have already been
06:05:46 We thought that was a good bit so we want to continue to see
06:05:50 that protected.
06:05:51 And last of all, we want to communicate services with
06:05:53 businesses about the best use of tax revenues.
06:05:58 One of the things we found out in our meetings is this.
06:06:00 There are a lot of good assets that people in Tampa don't
06:06:02 even know exist.
06:06:04 You go to some of the facilities at the parks, and that
06:06:08 don't work.
06:06:08 The city should be able to let that be known to the citizens
06:06:12 that these assets are here.
06:06:14 I don't know whether you do that by improving the Web site.
06:06:19 But the word has to get out to citizens the assets are
06:06:23 available to us.
06:06:28 I want to again thank you for having us sit on this
06:06:32 It was a pleasure.
06:06:33 We have all learned a lot about the city's operations, and
06:06:36 we all want to see the city thrive and prosper.
06:06:40 If there are any questions for me or any other members of
06:06:42 the committee, I would be happy to entertain them.
06:06:44 >>HARRY COHEN: Thank you very much, Mr. Green Leigh.
06:06:47 Let me say how much we appreciate all of your hard work
06:06:52 through this last few months, looking at this budget.
06:06:55 I've seen you in here a number of different times.
06:06:58 We also very much appreciate the work of the different
06:07:01 members in the administration who have met with your
06:07:03 committee, taken time from their busy schedule to get into
06:07:09 some in-depth explaining about how our budget really works.
06:07:13 And we are all very appreciative.
06:07:14 With that, I do want to ask council members, did you want to
06:07:19 add something?
06:07:20 >> I am not trying to anticipate one of your questions.
06:07:25 And that question is, does this committee serve any benefit
06:07:31 or service?
06:07:31 And we all discussed that in our last meeting.
06:07:33 And we think that it is a good process.
06:07:36 Some things don't always move as fast.
06:07:40 Sometimes they don't move -- this moves at glacier speed.
06:07:44 For example, we talked about last year we recommended
06:07:48 centralizing the grant process, and going back several
06:07:55 years, now, there was a recommendation from previous
06:07:57 committees about sweeping, make sure that all capital funds
06:08:04 get put back in the general revenue fund.
06:08:06 So we have learned a lot.
06:08:08 And it's given us an insight to the play citizens.
06:08:14 We think it's a good process.
06:08:17 We get with all the department heads and also with you
06:08:20 members of the council.
06:08:21 So we would like to see it continue.
06:08:24 >>HARRY COHEN: I'm not going to speak for all the council
06:08:26 members, but I would speak for myself in telling you that I
06:08:29 think the committee serves an extremely valuable roll.
06:08:34 Whether or not we ultimately decide to accept every one of
06:08:37 your recommendations, what's important is that we take the
06:08:41 time to evaluate, discuss and question each of those
06:08:45 recommendations so that we can we them according to the
06:08:49 things that we know and understand about the community and
06:08:52 the things that we know and understand about the budget.
06:08:54 I know there were some items that you recommended to us last
06:08:58 year that we ultimately didn't follow through on, but in
06:09:04 some cases we had quite a bit of discussion and debate among
06:09:06 us before we made the decision to go one way or the other,
06:09:10 and we really aired the issues so people could understand
06:09:13 exactly what the ramifications were of the positions they
06:09:15 were taking.
06:09:16 So from my point of view it's very helpful.
06:09:20 But I am going to leave it to the others.
06:09:22 I have already got two that want to have questions.
06:09:24 So first I'll turn it over to Councilwoman Montelione.
06:09:27 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Thank you, Mr. Chair.
06:09:30 And it is a testament to this committee that you even
06:09:35 volunteered to add meetings to your schedule so that you can
06:09:39 take the time and go out to some of the facilities and
06:09:44 become more familiar with the inner workings of some of
06:09:51 these departments.
06:09:51 So not only have you accepted the assignment that was given
06:09:54 to you, but now you are expanding it so that's a tremendous
06:09:57 testament to the character of all.
06:10:00 So thank you very much.
06:10:00 >> Thank you, Councilwoman.
06:10:02 >> Over the past year, we at council have had many
06:10:09 discussions about some of the very things that are contained
06:10:12 in your recommendation.
06:10:15 I recall having a workshop on efficiencies.
06:10:20 And we talked about efficiency not just from the standpoint
06:10:22 of what is typical, you know, you look at your electric
06:10:25 bill, or how to save money there, but efficiencies across
06:10:28 the board.
06:10:30 And I don't know how many -- it comes up again as one of
06:10:36 your recommendations.
06:10:37 We had a full workshop on it.
06:10:39 We discussed it in depth.
06:10:41 We had another work on sustainability and the practices
06:10:45 associated with being a sustainable city.
06:10:48 I don't know how aggressive we have been.
06:10:52 And these are questions for those department heads and for
06:10:56 our budget and finance staff on pursuing some of those
06:11:01 And at some point, you know, I don't want to keep harping
06:11:06 about these efficiencies, I want to start seeing some of
06:11:09 these efficiencies.
06:11:11 >> Councilwoman, I understand that in implementing more
06:11:15 efficiencies sometimes is not revolutionary, but
06:11:18 evolutionary, and as long as I think we are moving in the
06:11:23 right direction at a reasonable pace, most citizens will be
06:11:30 But we like to see some action being taken.
06:11:36 It may be that it's not occurring.
06:11:38 It's not being known.
06:11:40 That's one of the things about transparency and letting the
06:11:44 people know what's going on.
06:11:45 And there should be some way that one of the things the city
06:11:50 has done to make for them to improve themselves fiscally.
06:11:56 >>LISA MONTELIONE: If I may ask little Mrs. Little about
06:12:02 some of the questions I had, and I spoke to Mr. Ragarra last
06:12:07 night in warning him that this discussion was going to come
06:12:09 up, that I was going to ask about these efficiencies.
06:12:13 Because in some of the departments we have reformatted how
06:12:20 the utility bills are classified.
06:12:25 I have got the public works department was one of those that
06:12:28 I specifically asked about.
06:12:30 I'm looking at parks and recreation here, between our city
06:12:34 utility services which is the water, wastewater, and I would
06:12:37 assume solid waste, and electric utility services.
06:12:42 We are looking at projected almost $4 million.
06:12:47 So for both of those categories.
06:12:52 There are two things that I talked about in reference to our
06:12:55 budget, and that was coming from the business background,
06:13:00 there are two places you are going to save, personnel and
06:13:03 operating costs.
06:13:03 So we have cut to the bone personnel as far as we can cut.
06:13:08 And so looking at those operating expenses, my father used
06:13:13 to say penny wise, pound foolish, we sometimes start looking
06:13:19 at who is going to be accountable for these numbers.
06:13:23 The utility area, having each department be responsible for
06:13:29 implementing an efficiency may be not the best way to go in
06:13:35 my estimation.
06:13:36 I think the best way to go is to have a professional.
06:13:38 We had Randy Klein here, the energy manager from
06:13:42 Hillsborough County, and he made quite an impression on many
06:13:44 of us.
06:13:45 And someone has to be responsible for implementing these
06:13:48 programs and knowing how to implement these programs, and
06:13:51 what is the best way to go and be a professional in that
06:13:54 energy management arena.
06:13:59 >>SONYA LITTLE: If I may, I will speak first and some of my
06:14:05 energies can on the energy side.
06:14:07 But several of the initiatives that have taken place related
06:14:10 to improving efficiencies were reflected and explained early
06:14:16 on in the presentation as it relates to how we were able to
06:14:19 satisfy our budget shortfall for '13.
06:14:24 But over and above that in particular, we do engage
06:14:27 consultants with expertise in certain areas that do assist
06:14:30 us in improving our efficiencies.
06:14:32 IE, solid waste department has a consultant that works with
06:14:36 us throughout the entire process and helps not only evaluate
06:14:40 from a financial perspective but from an operating
06:14:48 In addition to that, our water and our wastewater department
06:14:51 have independent engineering firms and feasibility
06:14:54 consultants also that they work with to address not only the
06:14:59 financial side but also improving efficiencies.
06:15:03 And I'll invite any of my colleagues up to give more.
06:15:08 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Don't all come at once, folks.
06:15:13 I don't think you have on that, Mrs. Little.
06:15:17 >>SONYA LITTLE: But I think we have --
06:15:20 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I know we do but I think we can do more.
06:15:23 I think if we brought accountability to that specific task
06:15:29 of how we are reducing our dependence on fossil fuels for
06:15:38 one thing.
06:15:39 I talked to the subject with fleet all the time about, you
06:15:42 know, using the natural gas.
06:15:45 We are buying little by little some solid waste trucks that
06:15:52 are compressed natural gas.
06:15:54 But I understand we have three different types of trucks
06:15:59 with solid waste.
06:16:00 We just spent the last Thursday purchasing another $5
06:16:05 million worth of solid waste equipment.
06:16:10 Chief Forward knows how many times he and I have talked
06:16:12 about the fleet in the fire department and the trucks that
06:16:16 we use.
06:16:17 And these are conversations that keep coming up and keep
06:16:20 coming up and keep coming up.
06:16:22 We need to make a decision, and we need to really commit to
06:16:27 it instead of just talking about it.
06:16:30 There are departments that affect everyone.
06:16:34 And we talked about this before.
06:16:37 He and -- T and I, HR, and those departments, contract
06:16:41 administration, if a mistake is made or personnel is lacking
06:16:46 and there's not the full staff that they need, it affects
06:16:49 everyone in the city.
06:16:51 So part of that recommendation for the compensation study
06:16:57 needs to be about do we have the right people in the right
06:17:02 Do we have people who have skills that we are not utilizing?
06:17:06 Can some of those positions be reclassified?
06:17:09 I understand there's a backlog in getting positions
06:17:12 reclassified because HR doesn't have the number of people
06:17:15 they need to do that function.
06:17:18 The same thing with other departments.
06:17:21 They don't have the personnel.
06:17:23 Contract administration sometimes doesn't the GTE contract
06:17:26 out the door fast enough.
06:17:29 That affects -- the longer we take to get a contract out and
06:17:33 executed, the longer that need is going unmet by whoever
06:17:36 requested it.
06:17:38 So we may not -- it may not result in hiring people but it
06:17:45 may make us more efficient because we are using our
06:17:47 personnel to the best that we can.
06:17:50 And those are areas that maybe we need to spend more money
06:17:54 and not less so that we have the people we need to do the
06:17:59 And I agree with that first recommendation about, you know,
06:18:04 realigning with the states, the treasury funds being very
06:18:11 >>SONYA LITTLE: Our current policy, investment policy is
06:18:17 governed by our charter.
06:18:19 We all know that there are steps that must be taken in order
06:18:22 to change those policies.
06:18:24 But one of the things -- and as Mr. Greenly pointed out, the
06:18:33 policy is not -- state's policy is not that much liberal
06:18:37 than we currently have.
06:18:40 The moneys we need to keep the lights on and pay our folks,
06:18:45 that policy would be a little bit more restrictive than that
06:18:48 of a pension fund for many of the reasons we talked about.
06:18:52 It's a longer-term need for pension assets when compared to
06:18:57 a general fund in the daily operations of a municipality.
06:19:03 I don't have any major concerns about being slightly more
06:19:09 But one of the things I did want to point out is we have not
06:19:12 suffered greatly.
06:19:13 We could have suffered more as far as our return is
06:19:16 concerned based on our investment pursuant, or as required
06:19:21 by our investment policy.
06:19:22 But if you can envision that during the good times when
06:19:27 rates were higher, we were purchasing securities at higher
06:19:30 We still have on the books securities, treasuries that are
06:19:35 4% and 5% interest rates today.
06:19:38 Now, granted those are rolling, but when we take advantage
06:19:42 of the highs, it carries forward for some time what we are
06:19:50 >> The direct question, could Do you agree or disagree with
06:19:54 that recommendation from the advisory council?
06:19:58 >>SONYA LITTLE: I'm ... okay.
06:20:00 >> Definitely middle of the road.
06:20:02 >>SONYA LITTLE: I feel for this particular purpose I'm fine
06:20:05 with our conservative investment policy.
06:20:09 I do not have a problem whatsoever with the state investment
06:20:13 I actually took a look at it.
06:20:15 It's not much more liberal in that instead of just direct
06:20:18 obligations, federal obligations, treasuries, they also
06:20:24 allow for guarantee federally backed security.
06:20:29 So not much more than that.
06:20:30 >>LISA MONTELIONE: What would be involved in a charter
06:20:35 change to align our policies with the state?
06:20:38 >>SAL TERRITO: You have to go through an amendment.
06:20:41 It probably too late to do something that year assuming you
06:20:44 want to it that quickly.
06:20:45 Probably the next time could you do it is two years from now
06:20:48 but it does require a charter amendment which requires a
06:20:51 voter refuse rep reign dumb.
06:20:52 >>LISA MONTELIONE: So we have to do a little planning a
06:20:56 >> What the committee is advocating Councilwoman is not
06:20:59 necessarily that the city has to do what the city does but
06:21:03 we think they should at least have the flexibility, and they
06:21:06 can continue to maintain the policy, if they had that
06:21:10 flexibility they could take advantage of some of the changes
06:21:13 in the market.
06:21:13 >> One last thing.
06:21:16 Mr. Reddick brought this up and asked what the -- how many
06:21:20 of the recommendations made last year were implemented this
06:21:24 It may be in next year's report.
06:21:26 We can have some sort of comparison.
06:21:29 >> Sure.
06:21:31 >>LISA MONTELIONE: And be able to identify exactly which
06:21:33 recommendations weren't followed through on, and at what
06:21:37 stage are they completed, are they in process, and this sort
06:21:40 of thing.
06:21:40 >> Be happy to do it.
06:21:42 >>MARY MULHERN: Thank you, Mr. Greenlee, for a very
06:21:49 thorough and really good presentation, easy to follow, and
06:21:53 great suggestions from the whole committee.
06:21:55 And I want to thank mark Anderson for doing this for the
06:21:59 fifth R fist year in a row.
06:22:02 And I want to thank everyone and staff, because I have heard
06:22:06 both from staff and from people on the committee how well
06:22:10 you have worked together.
06:22:13 And it's a lot different than it was when we first got
06:22:18 started about five years ago, I think, when it was difficult
06:22:23 even to get the information that the committee needed from
06:22:27 the staff.
06:22:28 And now I hear such great comments from everybody.
06:22:35 And I hear from Mrs. Little about how much she appreciates
06:22:39 the work and the suggestions that you have given.
06:22:42 So I think your work is very much appreciated, not only by
06:22:47 council but also by the staff.
06:22:52 And maybe next year the mayor can come to one of your final
06:22:57 >> Maybe.
06:22:58 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
06:23:00 >>MARY MULHERN: And tell you which of your suggestions will
06:23:03 So I think your major recommendations you made on the first
06:23:06 page are all great.
06:23:07 I think they are all worth looking at.
06:23:11 I do want to say the salary studies, this salary study I
06:23:16 think was done in 2006.
06:23:18 And I don't know if I have asked for it.
06:23:21 Maybe -- I probably haven't from this new administration.
06:23:24 But I couldn't get the original salary study.
06:23:27 I couldn't get it to look at.
06:23:29 Because there was a salary study done, and it was given to
06:23:37 the former administration.
06:23:40 I think it was Iorio.
06:23:43 Who knows?
06:23:43 It might have been Greco.
06:23:45 But they didn't like it so they said, give us some other
06:23:49 So what we have seen from that study, which is out of date
06:23:58 now anyway, but maybe this budget department could dig that
06:24:01 up for me, the salary study from 2006.
06:24:04 I believe.
06:24:05 And it was the original one that was commissioned, not the
06:24:09 one that came back after we didn't like the results.
06:24:13 The fleet study, I think that we did have that fleet study
06:24:18 done, and I think that we are implementing as much as we
06:24:24 The problem was it didn't include fire and --
06:24:27 >> I think it was only a partial of the fleet.
06:24:30 Part of the fleet, not the entire fleet.
06:24:32 We think it should be the entire fleet.
06:24:35 >>MARY MULHERN: Right.
06:24:36 I think that should be done, too.
06:24:39 And I guess the question is, you know, we hear from our
06:24:45 budget adviser, advisory committee once a year when the
06:24:49 budget comes up.
06:24:50 But they have been meeting all along.
06:24:54 And now they come up with these recommendations when it
06:24:56 really isn't timely to adopt them for this coming bunt
06:25:03 budget that we are going to have to vote on.
06:25:05 But if we could have -- and I trust you, Mrs. Little, that
06:25:12 you would be willing to do that, to answer, you know, to do
06:25:16 a little research, come back and meet with the committee
06:25:18 sometime in the next couple months, maybe in two months or
06:25:22 three months, and say, you know, yes, maybe we can look into
06:25:26 Yes, we can look into this.
06:25:28 Yes, we can look into this.
06:25:29 And really go through them.
06:25:30 Because I think it just becomes a function of the caliber,
06:25:36 that they end up meeting and giving the recommendations at
06:25:38 the end.
06:25:39 So you would be willing to do that.
06:25:42 So if you could arrange that, and then with the answers like
06:25:49 you are presenting in your budget, to the budget people, and
06:25:53 asking them, your recommendations to them and asking them to
06:25:57 really answer, yes, no, maybe.
06:26:02 >> We plan to start meeting again in November.
06:26:05 We are going to take a month off.
06:26:06 >>MARY MULHERN: In a rush.
06:26:11 Even next year.
06:26:11 >> We plan to meet monthly.
06:26:13 >>MARY MULHERN: Well, thank you so much.
06:26:14 >>HARRY COHEN: Councilwoman Capin.
06:26:18 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Thank you.
06:26:18 Yes, these recommendations, you can tell are very thoughtful
06:26:22 and everyone really takes this seriously and very excellent,
06:26:30 all on the first page, fully implemented, the longevity, at
06:26:36 least until we stop dipping into our reserves is a good one.
06:26:41 One of the things I looked at was the study to reduce the
06:26:50 Did you look at, rather than reduce that, actually --
06:26:54 everyone knows -- and it's been studied, you know, waste,
06:26:59 trash, is a cash cow.
06:27:02 And how do we make it pay, the revenue?
06:27:05 Was that looked at?
06:27:06 How to enhance the revenue rather than reduce the service?
06:27:10 >> Well, that's one of our recommendations.
06:27:12 Let's say yard waste is going to the incinerator as it has
06:27:16 in the past, and this goes somewhere else, and we think yard
06:27:21 waste combined with garbage going to the incinerator will
06:27:24 help generate more electricity as a revenue generator.
06:27:27 I don't know if you can do that with recycling.
06:27:30 We know right now the recycling program is not making any
06:27:33 money, it's probably costing more money, and it will
06:27:36 probably be easier to combine the trash and the yard waste
06:27:38 as opposed -- but if we end the recycling program, my wife
06:27:51 will kill me. (Laughter)
06:27:52 >> I'm sorry, repeat that?
06:27:52 >> I said, I probably could not go home this evening.
06:27:54 >> Yes, that's something that I know that our solid waste is
06:27:57 working on to look at.
06:27:59 So part of that which goes along with everything that you
06:28:03 have recommended was to look at other cities for best
06:28:06 >> Yes.
06:28:07 >> And that is very, very important, because there are
06:28:11 cities that are doing things that we could implement here.
06:28:17 That really is.
06:28:18 And one of the things is the recycling.
06:28:21 There are some very big successes out there around the
06:28:25 And as far as seeking public-private partnerships, we just,
06:28:30 to let you know, we just approved last Thursday a task force
06:28:34 to be developed to look into just that, which is EB-5
06:28:41 program which is a program of foreign investment into
06:28:46 municipalities which would not -- the taxpayer dollars would
06:28:51 not go into these projects.
06:28:54 They would be foreign investment. So that is one of the
06:28:57 things that I look at.
06:28:59 And I appreciate very much that that is on there.
06:29:05 Again, looking at other cities for best practices, and
06:29:08 that's how that came about.
06:29:14 Economic development.
06:29:15 And the last one, to communicate services to businesses, the
06:29:19 best use of tax revenue-supported resources, like our
06:29:23 And then I was looking at we have -- this council approved a
06:29:30 cultural assets of economic committee, and that committee is
06:29:35 having a summit in October.
06:29:38 And it is exactly that.
06:29:40 And Gina Grimes, who sits on the Finance Committee, also
06:29:44 sits on -- serves on that committee.
06:29:49 And it struck me because the marketing task force of that
06:29:55 committee puts this summit together in October.
06:30:00 And they are bringing together all the active marketing
06:30:07 partners, for instance, the Port Authority, the Sports
06:30:10 Authority, the downtown partnership, the Chamber of
06:30:17 How are they marketing?
06:30:19 How are they showing our assets?
06:30:21 And one of the ones that has been invited is our very own
06:30:25 Ally Gleason, because this is paramount to -- I'm looking at
06:30:35 the vision, mission and goal and the objectives of this
06:30:39 position, and I thought this is exactly where it starts to
06:30:44 disseminate the information of these assets that we have.
06:30:48 >> Just to interrupt, Councilwoman.
06:30:52 I think one of the first places that we may be able to
06:30:55 start -- I don't know, you have probably been to the city
06:30:57 Web site, and it's not always the most user friendly Web
06:31:01 And I think from streamlining the internal search engine.
06:31:08 Almost every household has a computer.
06:31:10 And the first place I know when I want to find something
06:31:12 out, I go Google it or do something else.
06:31:15 So that might be a start to let the citizens know what
06:31:19 assets and what facilities are available.
06:31:22 >> Okay.
06:31:24 Well, thank you.
06:31:26 And I hope Ms. Gleason decides to come to our summit.
06:31:30 Thank you.
06:31:30 >>HARRY COHEN: Mr. Miranda.
06:31:35 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: No, I don't know if we are finished.
06:31:37 >>HARRY COHEN: I have a few comments.
06:31:40 I just wanted to make a couple very brief comments regarding
06:31:43 some of your proposals.
06:31:49 I think that it is an excellent idea to look at the
06:31:52 investment policy.
06:31:53 And I applaud you for bringing that up.
06:31:55 But I would like to make two comments.
06:31:58 The first is that there is a reason that that policy is in
06:32:00 the charter, and that it requires the extraordinary step of
06:32:05 having to amend the charter in order to change it.
06:32:08 And that is because the people that founded this city were
06:32:11 very, very committed to the idea that rainy day money, money
06:32:16 that the city is investing of public funds to put away for a
06:32:20 later date, should be as safe as absolutely possible, and to
06:32:24 go right back to Mrs. Little's comment, that is why we have
06:32:28 this money, even in spite of such a difficult downturn in
06:32:33 the nation's financial market.
06:32:35 That said, one of the places that I think we should look for
06:32:39 guidance in terms of whether or not we make any changes to
06:32:42 that policy is to Hillsborough County's policy, not just
06:32:46 looking at the state.
06:32:47 Because the county's policy is also very restrictive and
06:32:52 very conservative, but it definitely maintains standards
06:32:56 that allows the county's portfolio to keep an AAA rating.
06:33:01 So if there's anything available to them to invest in that
06:33:05 is not covered by our policy, I think that that's a very
06:33:09 reasonable place to look.
06:33:11 The second point that I wanted to make had to do with ERP
06:33:16 system, the enterprise resource program.
06:33:17 We mentioned it a lot here.
06:33:19 We don't generally go in to a lot of detail about what it
06:33:24 But when you look to the future and how the city is going to
06:33:26 be able to save money, this is a prime example of something
06:33:31 that by investing in now, we can definitely save dollars
06:33:36 And what this system is, it's a joint project with
06:33:41 Hillsborough County, but it's basically about reautomating
06:33:45 all of our backup, its function.
06:33:47 A lot of the things that Councilwoman Montelione mentioned.
06:33:50 Contract administration, human resources, purchasing, the
06:33:56 payroll system, all these things are going to be done on
06:33:59 that system.
06:34:00 They are going to be done much more efficiently.
06:34:03 It will be a 30-year advance in technology over what we have
06:34:06 had in the past.
06:34:07 And my expectation is that once it's fully implemented, it
06:34:10 really will result in actual dollar savings to the city
06:34:15 because there really will be, in certain areas, a need for
06:34:20 less manpower.
06:34:21 >> Councilman Cohen, I think most of the members of the
06:34:24 committee understand the effect, the ERP that sit on this
06:34:31 I think what we are saying is the good things we are doing,
06:34:34 we should let the citizens know.
06:34:36 I doubt that many of the citizens of Tampa know about what
06:34:38 you are doing with the ER people.
06:34:41 >> That's why I mention it here now because when the
06:34:44 question comes up of how are we investing in efficiencies
06:34:47 for the future, I see this as being a linchpin in terms of
06:34:53 where we are putting our priorities.
06:34:55 And I guess that's really my third point, is that while I
06:34:59 share the concern -- and there is no question that we cannot
06:35:03 continue on the track of taking money out of reserves to
06:35:07 fund our operations, but at the same time, when I see in
06:35:11 this budget a lot of investment that are aimed at increasing
06:35:16 our tax base, some of these neighborhood investments will
06:35:20 have a direct correlation on the property value, investments
06:35:25 that take place in the city in the years after they are
06:35:29 So I'm very cautiously optimistic that a lot of the money we
06:35:34 are spending today will see realization in the future, and
06:35:39 that's actually something that I would be interested in
06:35:42 meeting with your committee and talking about as we move
06:35:45 forward, because I think it's really important to identify
06:35:48 those areas so we can track them later and see how we are
06:35:54 So that is it for me, unless you have more, Mr. Chair.
06:36:01 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: If the council is finished, I want to go
06:36:03 to the public and see what they have on this.
06:36:05 And then we'll go back to more council questions and
06:36:10 This is a public hearing.
06:36:11 And again I know we have been through it a few times, but
06:36:14 thank you and your committee for the hard work and the
06:36:16 determination to make Tampa a better place to live.
06:36:18 >> Thank you, members.
06:36:21 Thank you.
06:36:22 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: This is a public hearing so those
06:36:24 individuals in the audience who care to speak at this time,
06:36:26 please line up and you have three minutes each.
06:36:38 We are ready when you are.
06:36:39 >> Good evening.
06:36:42 My name is Kent King.
06:36:44 I'm at 4020 Obispo street in Tampa and I'm working on the
06:36:49 Westshore waterways improvement project on behalf of myself
06:36:53 and my neighbors.
06:36:54 And I just wanted to come today and thank you and the
06:36:57 administration for funding the dredging.
06:37:03 And especially want to thank Councilman Cohen for his
06:37:07 support and look forward to working with you on the rest of
06:37:12 the project.
06:37:16 Herb Lee has been extremely helpful as well with the
06:37:19 stormwater department, and Mike HERR, the new administrator
06:37:24 has been very helpful in the short time he's been on the
06:37:27 And he's meeting with us tomorrow to tour the canals, and
06:37:33 understand their needs.
06:37:36 We ask that you continue to keep us in mind, in future
06:37:40 budgets so we can continue to improve our neighborhood.
06:37:44 This is a project that has a 33-year history and need, and
06:37:49 we are very thankful that it's getting started and we hope
06:37:53 to see it tall way through completion.
06:37:56 Thank you.
06:37:57 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
06:37:58 Next, please.
06:37:58 >> Good evening, Mr. Chairman.
06:38:02 I'm Gerald White, Hillsborough County community activist.
06:38:04 Thank you for this public hearing.
06:38:06 And it was a very interesting dialogue hearing the positions
06:38:10 of the City Council.
06:38:14 I guess my concern is the Constitutional amendment that took
06:38:17 place that changed the state Constitution that would limit
06:38:22 the amount of property tax moneys that can be taken in by
06:38:27 And my concern is that the conditions are not going to
06:38:31 And with all the cities and counties in this country
06:38:34 competing for jobs, for preparations to move to their
06:38:39 communities, it's just going to be tough for the next 10,
06:38:42 15, 20 years.
06:38:44 And so I'm concerned about that.
06:38:46 I'm concerned about the quality of life here in the City of
06:38:51 I don't want any more cuts in city services. I don't want
06:38:54 any more city employees laid off.
06:38:56 I want a quality, top-notch city with number one law
06:39:01 enforcement, with number one parks, fire protection.
06:39:06 I want the best parks in the country.
06:39:08 And how are we going to get all of that and keep all of that
06:39:11 unless we make some real tough choices, hard decisions.
06:39:17 I'm an advocate for consolidation of services and programs.
06:39:21 You need to partner more, consolidate with Hillsborough
06:39:25 County government immediately.
06:39:29 And I would recommend that you start with parks and
06:39:34 The county and the city and a lot of these are neighborhood
06:39:38 to neighborhood, around the border of the county, all over
06:39:42 this community.
06:39:43 We need to consolidate parks and recreation with
06:39:46 Hillsborough County parks and recreation.
06:39:48 Start there.
06:39:49 They need to continue to look deeper into the budget of what
06:39:53 can be funded, what programs can be consolidated, what
06:39:56 services can be consolidated, and do it and save money for
06:39:59 the citizens of Tampa and keep our budget whole.
06:40:05 We cannot go on the way we are going on.
06:40:07 You can talk around it.
06:40:08 You can squeeze.
06:40:09 There's only so much you can squeeze out of a lemon, out of
06:40:12 a turnip, you know, and we just don't want any more services
06:40:16 cut. And I'm deeply concerned about code enforcement.
06:40:20 If I drive by another abandoned house in this city when I
06:40:24 know there's Tampa police, I know there are garbage trucks
06:40:27 riding around this community, I know there's supposed to be
06:40:30 code enforcement traveling through this community, I would
06:40:33 be very troubled.
06:40:34 Please have an uptick on code enforcement in any home that
06:40:39 is abandoned by way of foreclosure, where the windows are
06:40:42 broken, the doors are wide open.
06:40:44 Address it immediately. This is our city. And it should be
06:40:47 a shining star.
06:40:48 And every house you drive by that's deteriorated, that's
06:40:55 beautiful two months ago and is now just ripped apart
06:40:58 because it's been abandoned is wrong.
06:41:00 We need to work on.
06:41:01 Thank you so much for hearing my concern.
06:41:05 I would like to submit this article into the record.
06:41:08 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Next, please.
06:41:09 >> Al Johnson, 407 South Westshore Boulevard.
06:41:15 I'm here representing the Westshore Palms neighborhood
06:41:17 association of which I'm president.
06:41:24 I guess I'm really speaking more on the next agenda item and
06:41:27 I apologize for speaking now.
06:41:30 Ann Wood from the Westshore Alliance is going to speak as
06:41:33 well and she had to leave, so here I am.
06:41:36 I had sent you a letter back in May regarding our little
06:41:40 park, there in our neighborhood, Westshore Palms, and I
06:41:44 would like to encourage you to continue to work with the
06:41:46 Parks Department on making these improvements to that park.
06:41:52 We would like to see some aesthetic improvements as well as
06:41:59 squaring the park off and so forth.
06:42:01 There are two line items pertaining to major neighborhoods,
06:42:07 park facility, renovations and expansion, and land
06:42:12 acquisition and would like to hopefully work with Parks
06:42:14 Department on being able to do that.
06:42:17 In addition to doing that in the Westshore area, there is
06:42:19 the cypress point park which again all of us together are
06:42:26 wanting to work together to -- I guess our primary goal is
06:42:32 to see some playground equipment and other improvements
06:42:37 And this was at a park where we have done a lost work, a lot
06:42:41 of work has been done and connecting it to the Pinellas
06:42:45 system, and yet there's no playground equipment there to
06:42:48 make a destination location for all the neighborhoods there
06:42:54 within Westshore and so forth.
06:42:56 So, again, I know that parks is working on it and I just
06:43:01 wanted to come and again just kind of encourage your
06:43:08 continued involvement and help on making these improvements
06:43:12 to both these parks.
06:43:16 Anyway, that's pretty much it.
06:43:17 So I appreciate your taking the time to listen.
06:43:20 I know it's overwhelming to hear all the budget concerns,
06:43:23 and I think our parks are definitely a vital asset for our
06:43:34 And this park Westshore Palms has needed some attention, and
06:43:40 I think it will be really great once we can get that going.
06:43:43 I appreciate your time and your efforts on this.
06:43:46 And I look forward to continued working with you on this.
06:43:50 Thank you.
06:43:51 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much, sir.
06:43:52 Next, please.
06:43:53 >> I'm Ed Tillou, north Tampa.
06:44:00 When the community advisory committee made a presentation,
06:44:06 many things I agreed with very strongly, like energy
06:44:08 efficiency and vehicles and more publicity for community
06:44:18 recreation facilities, and actually more in reference to
06:44:25 With low interest rates, now is the time to float bonds and
06:44:31 create jobs.
06:44:31 That's the real way of creating jobs.
06:44:33 It isn't like, stand back, the RNC magic beans are
06:44:39 Yeah, right.
06:44:42 With respect to energy, it's important to realize natural
06:44:45 gas is a fossil fuel.
06:44:48 Oh, bad word, fossil fuel.
06:44:51 But it is the answer.
06:44:52 Natural gas is the answer, not in its current form, from
06:44:57 huge deposits, generally in Russia and Iran, but rather
06:45:02 instead in low yield deposits in the north Canada and Alaska
06:45:05 and actually in Siberia, too.
06:45:08 The magnitude of this problem is very severe.
06:45:11 It won't become apparent for ten years in Siberia, and then
06:45:15 say the ten years after that and they start monitoring
06:45:19 northern Canada and Alaska.
06:45:20 But the thing is the key is vehicle electrification.
06:45:23 Even if it isn't the most efficient kind of thing around.
06:45:27 Now, there has been some movement in that direction.
06:45:32 The parking garage, there are plug-in sites.
06:45:36 I don't think totally electric vehicles are the best.
06:45:38 I think the volt is far better.
06:45:42 But now to plug in.
06:45:44 There's something you should do, even though it's not going
06:45:46 to work, and that's put solar carports on the roof of the
06:45:49 parking garages.
06:45:52 The reason I say this is because a dollar a water solar
06:45:59 Where is it?
06:46:00 All I can find is $7 a watt solar power.
06:46:03 Have a competition for these carports, these two or three
06:46:07 carports you put on the parking garages.
06:46:09 Because once people start to have to put a dollar for an
06:46:13 hour's worth of electricity, so they want six hours of
06:46:18 electricity, they put six dollars in, then they go
06:46:21 downstairs and they can put in two dollars or a dollar,
06:46:24 they'll start to realize what this problem is about.
06:46:27 (Bell sounds)
06:46:29 So the reason I say that is because you have got all this
06:46:32 yuppy brain cells out there tied up with solar.
06:46:36 "Solar good, fossil fuel bad."
06:46:38 Now, again, natural gas is a fossil fuel, but it's a big
06:46:43 part of the answer.
06:46:44 Better would be liquid natural gas, because I was surprised
06:46:48 to find in my engineering work that natural gas is actually
06:46:52 a lot safer, and compressed natural gases in some ways,
06:46:56 there have been disasters.
06:46:57 There have been very serious explosions but they keep it
06:47:00 (Bell sounds).
06:47:02 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Next, please.
06:47:36 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: I'm Joseph Caetano.
06:47:38 I live in Tampa.
06:47:44 I have a picture of a sign that appeared here in 2008,
06:47:49 future home of station 23, Tampa Fire Rescue.
06:47:53 We bought land there behind L.A. fitness at County Line Road
06:47:58 and Bruce B. Downs for 1.290 million.
06:48:02 It is getting empty.
06:48:03 We have no fire house there.
06:48:05 I sent a letter to the mayor about two and a half, three
06:48:08 months ago and brought out the fact that we need a fire
06:48:12 house and a police substation.
06:48:16 I hear this from the police officer.
06:48:17 I didn't hear from the chief.
06:48:19 I don't know whether she wants a substation.
06:48:21 But I hear it from the people out in the field.
06:48:25 We have over 35,000 residents there.
06:48:28 And right now we do have a mutual aid agreement with station
06:48:31 26 out of Pasco County, but I don't think with the amount of
06:48:35 taxes that's collected out of the New Tampa area that we
06:48:38 should rely on mutual aid.
06:48:41 I know we have a mutual aid agreement with Hillsborough
06:48:44 It's been going on for about 10 or 12 years.
06:48:48 I found out today that we collected $300,000.
06:48:51 Now, Hillsborough County has plenty of money to build a fire
06:48:57 And I know years ago we did not have an ambulance, and had a
06:49:02 very heavy discussion with chief mason and told him that you
06:49:06 don't have a contract with the city because we don't have a
06:49:10 an emergency vehicle.
06:49:12 Eventually, we did get one.
06:49:14 We are lucky that we made all the calls that we had to make
06:49:18 and there were no deaths because we didn't have all the
06:49:22 It's like calling a painter to your house and he comes with
06:49:25 no equipment.
06:49:26 So you don't have a contract.
06:49:27 But we need a fire house.
06:49:29 We have over 5,000 people between grant Hampton has over 901
06:49:34 homes, and we have the Hammocks, over 500 town homes, and
06:49:40 behind Sweetbay and L.A. fitness where this land is for the
06:49:45 fire house, we have 486 apartments.
06:49:50 They are all buildings like burnt down in Ybor City a few
06:49:56 years ago when we had that fire.
06:49:58 So I don't know where we are going to get the money.
06:50:02 But I have been reading in the paper that we are going to
06:50:04 remodel the old train station downtown for about $5 million.
06:50:08 That's not going to save any lives.
06:50:10 What will save lives is a fire house.
06:50:14 With an emergency rescue vehicle.
06:50:16 And I urge you to get ahold of the mayor and find out why
06:50:21 are we spending $5 million.
06:50:23 I read that in the newspaper on remodeling of the old train
06:50:28 station downtown that I think gets one train a day.
06:50:32 Thank you.
06:50:33 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
06:50:34 I appreciate it.
06:50:35 Anyone else who has not spoken?
06:50:40 Ms. Montelione.
06:50:40 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Since Chief Forward is sitting here, and
06:50:45 Mr. Shimberg knew, right?
06:50:48 If you could address some of the issues since we were
06:50:53 talking about your department here.
06:50:56 >> Chief Forward, Tampa fire chief and emergency manager.
06:51:00 >>LISA MONTELIONE: You and I have talked about this a
06:51:04 couple of times over the past year because it's come up on
06:51:08 And actually it goes back to something that Mr. White said a
06:51:14 moment ago about services and agreements and consolidation.
06:51:21 The site that I am looking at, that Mr. Caetano had
06:51:25 referenced, is very close to County Line Road, which the
06:51:28 other side of that is Pasco County.
06:51:31 Do we have agreements with Pasco County for first
06:51:35 >> We have.
06:51:36 And just as we do with a number of surrounding counties, and
06:51:40 it's pretty much a norm with respect to fire departments.
06:51:46 We have a mutual aid agreement with respect to responding to
06:51:51 issues of concern that we may not be in the area to respond
06:51:58 >>LISA MONTELIONE: So with the location of the residents
06:52:02 that Mr. Caetano had referred to, they are not just being
06:52:07 served possibly by us but also Hillsborough County, and by
06:52:11 Pasco County?
06:52:13 >> The area that he is referring to, probably it's likely
06:52:18 Hillsborough County is responding.
06:52:21 And maybe Pasco County.
06:52:22 In that area, we get about nine runs per day.
06:52:25 We average 270 runs per month.
06:52:28 >> Nine runs that's calls for service?
06:52:31 >> And calls for service.
06:52:32 Per day.
06:52:34 270 per month.
06:52:35 The mayor has asked me to keep a regular running total as
06:52:39 early as January this year all the way up to this point.
06:52:42 And sticking to about 270 runs per month.
06:52:49 At that area.
06:52:50 All of those runs were responding with response time,
06:52:54 optimally from the time you make the 911 call, having a unit
06:52:58 in your front yard, at your doorstep, in eight and a half
06:53:03 We are making that time even in this area, over 50% of the
06:53:06 time, and 100 percent of the time in ten and a half minutes.
06:53:09 >> Some would argue that's too long.
06:53:14 >> Nationally, that's still a good response time.
06:53:20 And with the budget constraints that we have, I know that
06:53:24 when we opened, with he we were at the ribbon cutting for
06:53:28 station 21, that was paid for by American recovery and
06:53:31 reinvestment act funds, was it not?
06:53:34 >> Station 22?
06:53:36 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I'm sorry, 22.
06:53:37 >> That's correct.
06:53:38 >>LISA MONTELIONE: So are there plans for 23?
06:53:44 >> Chief Forward: Obviously there are plans for 23.
06:53:50 Mr. Caetano already made comments.
06:53:52 That's the reason they purchased the property there, on
06:53:54 station 23.
06:53:55 With respect to our insurance service organization rating,
06:53:59 we tried to put a fire station within two and a half miles
06:54:03 of all of our residents.
06:54:05 In that area, right now, we are a distance from that, but we
06:54:09 still have the backup and the support from station 22, 21,
06:54:13 and 20 that's helping us facilitate those run times and
06:54:17 ensuring that we are responding to those nine runs a day in
06:54:21 a respectable time.
06:54:22 >>LISA MONTELIONE: And development has slowed all over the
06:54:26 So do you have a projection of where we might reach critical
06:54:31 >> You mean as far as --
06:54:35 >>LISA MONTELIONE: When -- when we might see that point
06:54:39 right now, you said 50% I am time, eight minutes, 100
06:54:43 percent of the time ten minutes.
06:54:45 Is there any projections done for build-out of that area and
06:54:49 how -- when we might reach that point where we are serious
06:54:55 about putting a station there?
06:54:59 >> I can't really answer that.
06:55:01 I can tell you this, though.
06:55:03 It's my belief that as we get the improvements on the road
06:55:08 at Bruce B. Downs, once we improve that, the response time
06:55:11 will be even more --
06:55:16 >>LISA MONTELIONE: It will go down?
06:55:17 >> Yes, absolutely.
06:55:19 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Once Bruce B. Downs is complete.
06:55:22 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
06:55:22 Anyone else in the audience care to speak to this council
06:55:25 who has not spoken?
06:55:27 I see no one.
06:55:28 Anyone else on the council that would like to discuss this?
06:55:32 >>HARRY COHEN: Motion to close the public hearing.
06:55:34 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion to close by Mr. Cohen:
06:55:37 Second by Mr. Reddick.
06:55:38 All in favor of the motion, please indicate by saying aye.
06:55:42 Opposed nay.
06:55:42 The ayes have it unanimously.
06:55:44 Mr. Cohen, will you kindly read the ordinance?
06:55:46 >>HARRY COHEN: Thank you very much, Mr. Chair.
06:55:48 I move an ordinance on first reading, an ordinance adopting
06:55:52 the budget for the fiscal year beginning October 1, 2012,
06:55:56 and ending September 30, 2013, as presented by the mayor,
06:56:01 providing for the leave will I as provided by law of a tax
06:56:05 on all taxable property in the City of Tampa and fixing the
06:56:09 millage within said city making appropriation in accordance
06:56:12 with the provisions of said budget, authorizing and
06:56:15 directing the mayor and city clerk as the proper authorities
06:56:18 of the City of Tampa to certify to the property appraiser of
06:56:22 Hillsborough County Florida the millage to be levied for all
06:56:24 purposes for the fiscal year 2013 in the City of Tampa,
06:56:28 providing an effective date.
06:56:28 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Second.
06:56:31 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Motion by Mr. Cohen, I have a second by
06:56:33 Mr. Suarez.
06:56:33 Further discussion by council members?
06:56:35 All in favor of the motion please indicate by saying aye.
06:56:38 Opposed nay.
06:56:40 Motion passes.
06:56:41 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried with Capin being absent at
06:56:44 Second reading and adoption will be on September 27th at
06:56:47 5:01 p.m.
06:56:49 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I know we have taken the vote on the
06:56:50 ordinance itself, but I would like to have the vote
06:56:52 separately taken of the tentative millage rate.
06:56:55 I believe that rate, please correct me if I am wrong,
06:56:58 because I certainly don't want to being wrong now, 5.7326.
06:57:02 I need a motion.
06:57:03 >> So moved.
06:57:03 >> Second.
06:57:04 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion by Mr. Cohen for the
06:57:07 approval of the millage rate of 5.7326.
06:57:11 Second by Mr. Suarez.
06:57:12 All in favor of the motion please indicate by saying aye.
06:57:15 Opposed nay.
06:57:16 Motion passes unanimously.
06:57:22 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried with Capin being absent at
06:57:25 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: We go to item number 2 which is the
06:57:27 public hearing regarding capital improvement budget.
06:57:30 And we need to open that hearing.
06:57:32 >>HARRY COHEN: Move to open the public hearing for capital
06:57:34 improvement budget.
06:57:35 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Second by Mr. Suarez to open item number
06:57:37 2, the capital improvement budget.
06:57:42 All in favor?
06:57:43 The ayes have it unanimously.
06:57:48 Anybody with the city, anybody wants to make a presentation?
06:57:54 All right.
06:57:54 Anyone in the audience care to speak on the capital
06:57:57 improvement budget?
06:57:58 I see no one.
06:58:00 Move to close by Mr. Cohen, second by Mr. Reddick.
06:58:03 All in favor of the motion?
06:58:05 Opposed nay?
06:58:06 The ayes have it unanimously.
06:58:07 Who wants to move the capital improvement budget?
06:58:14 I have a motion to close the public hearing by Mr. Cohen,
06:58:16 second by Mrs. Mulhern.
06:58:18 All in favor of the motion?
06:58:19 Opposed nay?
06:58:21 Motion passes unanimously.
06:58:23 Thank you all very much for attending.
06:58:25 I know we have listened and we have learned a lot.
06:58:27 And I hope that all of you leave with the comfort that the
06:58:31 city is in pretty good hands and we are trying to get
06:58:34 And I appreciate all of you for peering, each and every one
06:58:37 of you who were here on the committee that we appointed for
06:58:40 the review of the city budget, and we are welcoming all
06:58:45 those remarks.
06:58:46 Thank you again.
06:58:50 We are going to take a ten-minute break and be back.
06:58:57 We stand in recess.
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6:00 p.m. Session
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07:16:37 >> Roll call.
07:24:15 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Here.
07:24:17 >>HARRY COHEN: Here.
07:24:18 >>FRANK REDDICK: Here.
07:24:19 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Here.
07:24:20 Okay, we have two items on the agenda.
07:24:24 I believe Ms. Feeley would like to discuss item number
07:24:27 >> Good evening.
07:24:30 Abbye Feeley. Land Development Coordination.
07:24:33 Item number 11, if you could just remove of that from
07:24:35 your agenda this evening.
07:24:36 It has already been reset.
07:24:38 It will be heard October 11th, at 6:00 p.m.
07:24:42 In case anyone is here to speak on the item tonight.
07:24:45 October 11th at 6 p.m.
07:24:47 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Need a motion by council to remove
07:24:49 from the agenda.
07:24:50 >> So moved.
07:24:51 >> Second.
07:24:52 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Motion by Mr. Cohen, second by Mr.
07:24:54 Suarez, item number 11, to remove it.
07:24:55 It will be heard October 11 at 6 p.m. the year 2012.
07:24:58 All in favor of the motion?
07:25:01 The ayes have it unanimously.
07:25:05 Mr. Shelby, item number 3.
07:25:06 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Item number 3 should be removed from
07:25:14 the agenda because it needs to be rescheduled due to a
07:25:17 misnotice, council.
07:25:20 So I would ask that it be removed and be scheduled.
07:25:23 The recommendation from the staff is for a night
07:25:27 The recommendation therefore would be November 8th
07:25:31 at 5:00.
07:25:33 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I'll move item number 3 to reschedule
07:25:44 at a November 8th meeting at 5:00 p.m.
07:25:48 >>FRANK REDDICK: Second.
07:25:49 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Motion by Mr. Suarez, second by Mr.
07:25:50 Reddick on item number 3.
07:25:52 All in favor of the motion please indicate by saying
07:25:54 Opposed nay.
07:25:55 The ayes have it unanimously.
07:25:57 All right.
07:25:58 We or go to item number 4.
07:26:02 It's a public hearing.
07:26:04 And I need to open items 4 through 14 minus 11.
07:26:08 >>FRANK REDDICK: So moved, minus 11.
07:26:12 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Motion by Mr. Reddick, seconded by
07:26:15 Mr. Suarez.
07:26:16 All in favor of the motion indicate by saying aye.
07:26:19 Opposed nay.
07:26:20 The ayes have it unanimously.
07:26:21 Items 4 through 14 are open minus item number 11.
07:26:28 Yes, ma'am.
07:26:29 Item number 4.
07:26:38 >>THE CLERK: Mr. Chairman, do we need to swear?
07:26:40 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Yes, we are.
07:26:41 All those who are going to speak on 4 through 14 minus
07:26:46 number 11 please rise and be sworn.
07:26:48 If you are thinking about speaking, rise and be sworn.
07:26:51 (Oath administered by Clerk).
07:26:53 >>ABBYE FEELEY: Land Development Coordination.
07:26:59 Item number 4 on your agenda this evening is V-12-259
07:27:04 at 4009 North Armenia Avenue.
07:27:06 The request before you this evening is for a special
07:27:09 use for a drive-in window.
07:27:10 This is the existing McDonald's on North Armenia, and
07:27:16 as many applications as you heard in the last couple
07:27:19 months they are looking to expand the drive-through
07:27:21 from a single lane to double lane.
07:27:23 I will refer to David Hay with the Planning Commission
07:27:27 and then finish my presentation.
07:27:29 Thank you.
07:27:29 >> David Hay, Planning Commission staff.
07:27:47 I have been sworn.
07:27:48 It's in the central planning district which is one of
07:27:51 three districts out of the five total districts that
07:27:55 offer the most opportunities for growth and
07:27:57 redevelopment within the City of Tampa.
07:27:59 The subject site is located just outside the boundaries
07:28:03 of the West Tampa urban village which is this light
07:28:06 blue color on the map.
07:28:20 You can see the subject site in the center of the map
07:28:23 front being on Armenia Avenue to the north of Tampa Bay
07:28:25 Boulevard are designated community mixed use 35.
07:28:29 We have residential 35 directly to the east of the
07:28:31 subject site, and the bright red along Armenia Avenue
07:28:35 to the south of Tampa Bay Boulevard represents the
07:28:38 community commercial 35.
07:28:40 And then we have the residential 10 in these areas on
07:28:43 the map.
07:28:53 Next we have the aerial.
07:28:54 The subject site is located within the center of the
07:28:58 Here is Armenia Avenue running north-south.
07:29:02 We have Tampa Bay Boulevard running east-west.
07:29:06 The subject site wraps around a gas station at the
07:29:10 corner of Tampa Bay Boulevard and Armenia Avenue, river
07:29:13 gardens apartments, directly to the east.
07:29:15 The Marina club condos to the southeast, and we have
07:29:19 the Fiesta plaza directly to the west.
07:29:22 Overall, Planning Commission staff found the proposed
07:29:25 special use provides for an opportunity to redevelop a
07:29:27 commercial use that will encourage further private
07:29:31 investment along this major commercial and transit
07:29:33 service corridor, and as such Planning Commission staff
07:29:36 finds the 12-259 consistent with the Tampa
07:29:39 comprehensive plan.
07:29:40 >>ABBYE FEELEY: Land development.
07:29:53 As I mentioned this is the exhibiting McDonald's, and
07:29:56 the within before you tonight is for a small addition,
07:29:59 268 square feet, and then to expand the single drive
07:30:02 through to a double drive through.
07:30:03 This was constructed in 1964, and therefore it's a
07:30:08 special use considered to be -- considered to be
07:30:11 conforming, but now that they are adding and expanding
07:30:14 that drive through use they do need to come get a
07:30:17 special use.
07:30:17 We found a couple of these so far, so I know that you
07:30:20 are familiar with those.
07:30:24 The property in its current configuration does have
07:30:26 access on Armenia Avenue and an exit only on Tampa Bay.
07:30:33 I will show you the zoning atlas.
07:30:36 The property is shown in green.
07:30:38 Armenia to the west.
07:30:39 Tampa Bay to the south.
07:30:41 It is currently commercial general, which requires a
07:30:44 drive-in window to be a special use 2.
07:30:47 RM-24 zoning to the east.
07:30:48 CG, Fiesta plaza across the street to the west and CI
07:30:54 along the remainder of Armenia.
07:30:59 This is an aerial of the property.
07:31:01 David mentioned there is a gas station here.
07:31:09 I'll show you some pictures of the site.
07:31:12 This is from Armenia.
07:31:15 This is to the north of the property.
07:31:18 Here is the gas station to the south.
07:31:21 Across the street is an outparcel, Fiesta plaza, the
07:31:27 restaurant currently vacant.
07:31:28 Payless shoe store.
07:31:30 The plaza, Sweetbay.
07:31:33 This is Tampa Bay looking back toward the site.
07:31:35 This would the exit only.
07:31:39 The view of the current drive-through operation.
07:31:44 Here is looking west.
07:31:47 This is to the east of the exit only.
07:31:52 This is south on Tampa Bay, multifamily residential.
07:31:56 And another look back to the west on Tampa Bay
07:32:03 The building setbacks are as follows.
07:32:05 North 52.77 feet with a 10-foot minimum, south 50.160
07:32:12 with a 10-foot minimum.
07:32:14 West 31-foot with a 10-foot minimum.
07:32:16 And east 59-foot with a 10-foot minimum.
07:32:19 We kept commercial general minimum setbacks and a
07:32:24 building envelope there.
07:32:25 The proposed request requires 22 spaces and a total of
07:32:28 34 are being provided which consists of 27 standards
07:32:33 compact and two ADA.
07:32:36 Proposed height is 17-foot 11 inches.
07:32:39 There are some modifications that need to be made.
07:32:43 I have provided those modifications on the revision
07:32:48 sheet that I provided with your package.
07:32:52 If those modifications are made between first and
07:32:54 second reading staff would find this request
07:32:57 Thank you.
07:32:58 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Petitioner?
07:33:04 >> Michael Serrano, engineer.
07:33:10 We are trying to get this approved.
07:33:13 Traffic backed up onto Armenia there.
07:33:17 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Would anyone in the audience care to
07:33:19 speak on item number 4?
07:33:20 Item number 4?
07:33:21 Anyone in the audience care to speak on item number 4?
07:33:25 >> Move to close.
07:33:26 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Motion to close by Mr. Cohen, second
07:33:33 by Mr. Reddick.
07:33:34 All in favor of the motion please indicate by saying
07:33:37 Opposed nay.
07:33:40 Mrs. Montelione, would you?
07:33:43 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
07:33:55 I appreciate that.
07:34:00 I move an ordinance being presented for first reading
07:34:02 and consideration, an ordinance approving special using
07:34:04 permit 2, FU, approving a drive-in window in a CG
07:34:09 commercial zoning district in the general vicinity of
07:34:12 4009 North Armenia Avenue in the city of Tampa, Florida
07:34:15 and more particularly described in section 1 hereof
07:34:18 providing an effective date.
07:34:18 >>HARRY COHEN: Second.
07:34:21 Motion by Mrs. Montelione, second by Mr. Cohen.
07:34:25 >>LISA MONTELIONE: That is to clue the revision sheet
07:34:30 of 2012 as presented by staff.
07:34:32 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: With the inclusion of the revision
07:34:34 All in favor of the motion?
07:34:37 Opposed nay?
07:34:38 The ayes have it unanimously.
07:34:39 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried with Capin and Mulhern
07:34:42 being absent at vote.
07:34:43 Second reading and adoption will be on September 27 at
07:34:45 9:30 a.m.
07:34:46 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I would assume that 5 and 6 are
07:34:48 going to be together?
07:34:55 We are hearing 5 and 6 at the same time.
07:34:57 5 goes first.
07:35:01 >>JAMES COOK: Land Development Coordination here on
07:35:02 item number 5, case C-12-12.
07:35:06 It's a vacating.
07:35:07 It's related to item number 6 which is case V-12-261.
07:35:12 Special use is contingent.
07:35:16 Petitioner is requesting to vacate portion of the
07:35:18 poinsettia street from Osborne Avenue to dead-end, a
07:35:22 line between 20th and 22nd street.
07:35:25 Petitioner's property is in red.
07:35:28 Poinsettia is running south of Osborne to the dead-end.
07:35:32 I would point out that 27 used to run all the way down
07:35:36 to the retention pond that the city owns here.
07:35:43 Petitioner has unimproved portion of poinsettia running
07:35:47 from Osborne.
07:35:50 Here is a picture of poinsettia looking north from the
07:35:53 dead-end of Osborne.
07:35:58 Picture of petitioner's property on the east side of
07:36:02 And this is the abutting property owner on the west
07:36:05 side of poinsettia.
07:36:07 And their address is 2009 east Osborne.
07:36:09 Staff has no objections as long as the drainage is
07:36:13 reserved for water.
07:36:15 And that concludes my report unless council has any
07:36:20 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
07:36:20 >>ABBYE FEELEY: Land Development Coordination.
07:36:30 The vacating request that you just heard accompanies
07:36:34 special use quarterback for place of religious
07:36:40 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I'm sorry, before we continue with
07:36:48 the rest of the hearing I have to consult with council.
07:36:50 I just want to disclose that the applicant and my
07:36:56 fiancée's company had a relationship in the past.
07:37:00 Mr. Shelby?
07:37:03 When I talk about the applicant --
07:37:05 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Petitioner's representative is the
07:37:10 With regard to this particular petition that's before
07:37:12 you, you do not have a financial stake in it in any
07:37:16 way, is that correct?
07:37:18 >> No, sir.
07:37:19 >>MARTIN SHELBY: And are you able because of that
07:37:20 relationship, putting that aside, are you still able to
07:37:23 look at this and be fair and impartial relative to what
07:37:26 you have before you?
07:37:27 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Yes.
07:37:28 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Then it's my opinion you are required
07:37:30 to participate in the vote.
07:37:32 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Thank you.
07:37:34 Sorry to interrupt.
07:37:34 >>ABBYE FEELEY: Land development.
07:37:38 As I stated, the vacating request that you just heard
07:37:41 from Mr. Cook is running with a special use request for
07:37:45 a place of religious assembly.
07:37:47 As he showed you to the east of this site, there is a
07:37:49 church, and that church is wishing to add an addition,
07:37:53 and that addition would be located within the
07:37:55 vacated -- a portion of that addition would be located
07:37:58 within the vacated portion of poinsettia.
07:38:03 The request before you this evening is for special use
07:38:06 place of religious assembly.
07:38:08 I'll defer to Mr. Hay and continue with my
07:38:11 >> David Hay with your Planning Commission staff and I
07:38:24 have been sworn.
07:38:24 I would like -- unlike the previous case the site is
07:38:28 located within the central planning district.
07:38:30 The subject site is also located within the East Tampa
07:38:32 urban village.
07:38:34 These unique urban villages play a vital role in the
07:38:37 comprehensive plan, growth strategies for the City of
07:38:42 Next we have the future land use map.
07:38:48 The subject site is located in the center of the map.
07:38:54 The subject site including properties to the south and
07:38:57 east are designated residential 20.
07:39:00 The yellow is the brown color.
07:39:04 Properties designated in 10.
07:39:07 We have community mixed use 35 running along north 22nd
07:39:11 And we have residential 35 and residential 50 located
07:39:17 to the east of north 22nd street.
07:39:26 Next we will take a look at the aerial again.
07:39:28 The subject site is located at the center of the map.
07:39:32 On the aerial we can see that the surrounding dominant
07:39:36 attached uses located to the west, south and north.
07:39:40 On the southwest corner of north 22nd street and east
07:39:43 Osborne Avenue is the Tampa family health center.
07:39:49 It's not really shown on that aerial.
07:39:51 On the northeast corner, we have Middleton high school.
07:39:55 Planning Commission staff found the proposed church
07:39:57 expansion consistent with a number of comprehensive
07:39:59 plan policies regarding redevelopment, the allowance of
07:40:03 mixed uses and promoting development that is compatible
07:40:06 with the neighborhood character.
07:40:08 Planning Commission staff have D have one outstanding
07:40:12 concern that we wanted to bring to your attention.
07:40:14 The church building is located on the south side of
07:40:17 east Osborne.
07:40:19 The proposed parking area is located on the north side
07:40:22 of east Osborne.
07:40:24 A building applicant is mechanic all the requirements
07:40:26 of the Land Development Code.
07:40:28 Staff -- Planning Commission staff noted that there
07:40:31 does not seem to be any safe way for the parishioners
07:40:34 to access the church property since there is no
07:40:36 sidewalk along the north side of east Osborne Avenue
07:40:40 between the subject site and the crosswalk located at
07:40:43 east Osborne Avenue and north 22nd street.
07:40:46 Besides that one issue, though, Planning Commission
07:40:49 staff found this request consistent with the Tampa
07:40:52 comprehensive plan.
07:40:54 Thank you.
07:40:56 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
07:40:56 >>ABBYE FEELEY: Land Development Coordination.
07:41:16 As I stated, the applicant is requesting a special use
07:41:19 of the property at 2103 and 2106 east Osborne Avenue in
07:41:24 order to continue instruct an addition to a religious
07:41:28 place of assembly.
07:41:29 It received a special use for construction of the
07:41:31 church in 1999 and the proposed 1600 -- 1660 square
07:41:36 foot addition exceeds that which may be approved
07:41:39 administratively by staff.
07:41:40 Therefore, it requires a new special use application.
07:41:45 As David mentioned, it is in the two parcels, the south
07:41:48 parcel is where the church is, and the north parcel is
07:41:51 where the primary parking area will be.
07:41:54 The existing building contains 2100 square feet
07:41:58 including a 238 feet sanctuary.
07:42:00 The proposed improvements that I mentioned, 1660 square
07:42:04 feet will be a fellowship hall.
07:42:06 The proposed use requires 72 parking spaces and a total
07:42:09 of 82 are being provided with three spaces on the
07:42:13 southern property and 70 spaces on the northern
07:42:17 Based on the comments from natural resources two of the
07:42:21 spaces will be removed resulting in a total of 80
07:42:24 spaces which is eight spaces greater than what are
07:42:29 There are a couple of waivers that are being requested.
07:42:33 As you know, the special use criteria for a place of
07:42:36 religious assembly, the front yard is based on the
07:42:38 underlying zoning.
07:42:40 Remaining yards are required to be at 40 feet.
07:42:42 So the first three are related to the setbacks.
07:42:49 The first is to reduce the west side yard from 40 feet
07:42:53 to 7.83 feet.
07:42:55 To reduce the east side yard from 40 feet to 16 feet.
07:42:59 And the south yard from 40 feet to 19.1 feet.
07:43:04 On the east and the south, it does abut the Tampa
07:43:07 family health center that David mentioned that was a
07:43:11 recent PD this council approved just a few years ago.
07:43:16 The fourth is to reduce the required 15-foot setback
07:43:19 from the right-of-way to two feet to allow maintenance
07:43:21 of the existing sign.
07:43:24 The fence is to be fifth is to allow for grass parking
07:43:28 and to allow reduction in the drive aisle width from 26
07:43:32 feet to 20 feet.
07:43:34 I did want to go ahead and show you the zoning atlas.
07:43:42 Here are the two pieces of the parcel.
07:43:44 This is Osborne through the center.
07:43:46 The north piece where the parking will be located and
07:43:50 the southern piece where the existing church and the
07:43:53 addition would be located.
07:43:59 Here is the aerial of the site.
07:44:00 It is a heavily treed site.
07:44:06 You see on the site plan to preserve the most trees
07:44:10 They are not triggering any waivers to chapter 13.
07:44:14 And they are going -- parking as a way of having less
07:44:18 impact on the trees that are out there.
07:44:23 Here is a picture of the existing church building.
07:44:30 This is just over to the west.
07:44:32 So there's the remainder of that church building.
07:44:35 This is where the addition will go.
07:44:36 And as Mr. Cook showed you, here is the part that's
07:44:41 being vacated.
07:44:42 To correct myself, there is no portion of the addition
07:44:46 that's being located in the vacated right-of-way.
07:44:48 It's just that they do have a parking space that will
07:44:51 be located in that area.
07:44:57 This is the poinsettia right-of-way that we are
07:44:59 discussing under the vacating petition.
07:45:01 This is the home to the west.
07:45:09 This is Tampa family health center.
07:45:13 That is on the east side.
07:45:17 And right next to that single house is the access to
07:45:23 Tampa health.
07:45:24 They have access on Osborne and on 22nd.
07:45:27 This is the northern part of Osborne directly across
07:45:30 the street.
07:45:33 This is starting the parcel whereof the parking will
07:45:41 Another shot of that.
07:45:42 And the trees.
07:45:44 There is a CG parcel just to the east of that parking
07:45:50 So right in here, that's currently vacant.
07:45:56 And this is a look down Osborne to the west.
07:46:07 Staff did have some minor modifications that were
07:46:09 Two of them are related to the waivers.
07:46:11 Just the wording of those waivers and how they need to
07:46:14 be shown on the site plan.
07:46:16 And the natural resources did have some modifications
07:46:19 that needed to be made just due to the large amounts of
07:46:23 They still have a few revisions that needed to be
07:46:28 tidied up between first and second reading.
07:46:31 That being said, staff is available for any questions.
07:46:35 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Questions by council members?
07:46:37 Thank you.
07:46:39 Planning Commission, are you going to speak on this
07:46:53 >> I'm Peter Bork, and good evening, council.
07:46:59 The vacating which we'll talk about first, a fellowship
07:47:04 hall from the church as you saw in the pictures.
07:47:07 We have that big space there.
07:47:08 The poinsettia is basically just a dead-end now.
07:47:12 To be taken by the people behind them.
07:47:14 And it's fenced off.
07:47:17 The neighbors are integrating with the vacating.
07:47:21 We understand that we can't build anything on it, it
07:47:23 can just be used for parking, or just grass.
07:47:28 We are taking our addition right up to the edge of the
07:47:30 property line utilizing that 18 feet as a setback.
07:47:35 And the first special use.
07:47:42 The addition to the church, fellowship hall, the church
07:47:46 owned that property across the street.
07:47:47 We worked with the city with, all their requirements
07:47:50 and suggestions, to keep it green, clean up the dead
07:47:54 stuff, and put a sidewalk in front.
07:48:02 So that's where we are with that.
07:48:05 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Any questions by council members at
07:48:06 this time?
07:48:08 Thank you.
07:48:08 Anyone in the audience care to speak on item 5 or 6?
07:48:13 One is vacating and one is a build being.
07:48:15 5 and 6.
07:48:17 Please come forward.
07:48:30 >> I'm Mary Priester and my husband Bobby Priester.
07:48:34 We have been sworn.
07:48:34 We have property, a house adjacent to the church and we
07:48:37 are in agreement with vacating that particular
07:48:42 But we do request, and we have talked to the church,
07:48:45 that we would like to purchase half of that property to
07:48:50 allow ingress and egress to our property.
07:48:52 We have a fence on the side where the cars drive in.
07:48:58 So that's our only request, that we be allowed to
07:49:01 purchase half of the property from the church.
07:49:04 Or in the process of the vacating.
07:49:08 Thank you.
07:49:10 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you both very much.
07:49:14 Mrs. Montelione, did you want to make a comment on
07:49:18 >>JAMES COOK: Land development.
07:49:19 Actually, this right-of-way is platted by plat, 36 feet
07:49:23 As abutting owner they will get 18 feet automatically.
07:49:27 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Yes, automatically.
07:49:27 >> Just so but wouldn't have to purchase the property,
07:49:36 it would automatically go to you.
07:49:38 Thank you.
07:49:38 >> Next, please.
07:49:40 Thank you very much.
07:49:40 >> My name is Paul Stein.
07:49:45 I own property that abuts to the north end of the
07:49:50 parking area.
07:49:51 And I have spoken with the people about their plan, and
07:49:56 fully supportive of somebody doing something positive
07:49:58 with this otherwise landlocked piece of property that's
07:50:02 in that neighborhood.
07:50:05 Currently it's being used as a dump for furniture and
07:50:09 tires and as a cut-through for kids coming from the
07:50:12 high school to access those dead-end streets in that
07:50:15 area so they don't have to walk around several blocks
07:50:17 to get on their way home from school.
07:50:20 My concern about this, in the and the prior property
07:50:26 owner who tried to put a townhouse development through
07:50:29 on that property and failed when the bubble burst, that
07:50:34 prior owner put up a fence, fenced off the property,
07:50:38 and it didn't tan but a few days before the local high
07:50:40 school kids showed up with their chain link cutters and
07:50:43 cut a hole through the fence and they are still using
07:50:46 to the cut through the neighborhood.
07:50:51 So I would ask this plan have some sort of provision
07:50:53 that would allow for a permanent fence that we wouldn't
07:50:57 have that problem anymore.
07:51:00 Because they are cutting through the yards there.
07:51:01 They are dumping stuff.
07:51:03 And other than that, we are happy to see positive
07:51:06 things happen in the immediate neighborhood there.
07:51:08 I think it's a good using for the land in general.
07:51:13 That's my only comment.
07:51:14 Thank you.
07:51:15 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
07:51:15 I appreciate it very much.
07:51:16 Anyone else who has not spoken, care to speak on item 5
07:51:19 or 6?
07:51:21 I see no one.
07:51:24 Motion to close by Mr. Reddick, seconded by Mr. Cohen.
07:51:29 All in favor of the motion please indicate by saying
07:51:32 Opposed nay.
07:51:32 The ayes have it unanimously.
07:51:34 Mr. Cohen, would you take number 5 and then number 6?
07:51:41 >>HARRY COHEN: I move an ordinance being presented for
07:51:43 first reading consideration, an ordinance vacating,
07:51:45 closing, discontinuing, and abandoning a portion of the
07:51:49 right-of-way known as poinsettia street in orange wood
07:51:52 park subdivision, a subdivision in the City of Tampa,
07:51:55 Hillsborough County Florida, the same being more fully
07:51:58 described in section 1 hereof, subject to certain
07:52:00 easements, covenants, conditions and restrictions as
07:52:03 more particularly described herein, providing an
07:52:05 effective date.
07:52:05 >>FRANK REDDICK: Second.
07:52:08 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion by Mr --
07:52:11 >>HARRY COHEN: Including the revision sheet which I
07:52:13 actually believe is part of number 6.
07:52:16 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion by Mr. Cohen, second
07:52:18 by Mr. Reddick.
07:52:19 All in favor of the motion?
07:52:22 Opposed nay.
07:52:23 The ayes have it unanimously.
07:52:24 Number 6, please.
07:52:25 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried with Capin being absent at
07:52:28 Second reading and adoption will be on September 27 at
07:52:32 9:30 a.m.
07:52:33 >>HARRY COHEN: Move an ordinance for first reading
07:52:35 consideration, an ordinance approving a special use
07:52:37 permit S-2, approving a place of religious assembly in
07:52:40 an RS-50 -- excuse me, I'm sorry.
07:52:44 >>ABBYE FEELEY: Councilman Cohen, I'm sorry.
07:52:49 The current site plans don't show a fence for that
07:52:52 northern property and I'm trying to figure out a with
07:52:55 the property owner what they want to do because I don't
07:52:58 believe they have rebuttal to the testimony that was
07:53:01 provided by the neighbor.
07:53:03 So I just wanted to make sure that if there's a
07:53:06 commitment for the fence, either addressing it here, or
07:53:08 if not they can have a fence pursuant to the underlying
07:53:13 I just wanted to make sure I have whatever revisions
07:53:15 need to be made.
07:53:17 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Let's go back and reopen the hearing
07:53:19 >> So moved.
07:53:21 >>HARRY COHEN: Second.
07:53:23 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: All in favor of the motion?
07:53:24 The ayes have it unanimously.
07:53:26 Yes, sir, petitioner.
07:53:27 >>> The site plan does not show the existing fence.
07:53:35 But most of the property is fenced.
07:53:38 Whether it's the back yards of people, there's a stock
07:53:42 okayed fence running down on either side.
07:53:44 There is a section of chain link that's missing on the
07:53:48 east side right next to 22nd with that commercial.
07:53:53 Abbye has a picture with one commercial building that's
07:54:00 There's fence along the front.
07:54:02 Facing the church.
07:54:04 So it's fairly fenced in but I'm sure there are some
07:54:09 areas besides that one, maybe 80, 90 feet that's
07:54:13 There's some fence all along.
07:54:16 And it probably needs repair.
07:54:17 Some of it is on other people's property.
07:54:19 It's not all, you know, it's not on their property
07:54:23 right now.
07:54:24 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Pastor, I was going to ask you,
07:54:30 does the church have any plans on fencing?
07:54:33 >> Yes, we do on that east end of the property that
07:54:36 he's talking about, we will put a fence up there.
07:54:38 >>LISA MONTELIONE: And hopefully that will --
07:54:42 >> Stop the kids from coming through there.
07:54:44 >>LISA MONTELIONE: If there's a will, there's a way.
07:54:48 I mean, they'll jump the fence.
07:54:50 >> But that is closest to the high school there, that
07:54:53 >>LISA MONTELIONE: It might be a little bit of a
07:54:56 But where there's a will there's a way.
07:55:00 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Mrs. Mulhern?
07:55:01 >>MARY MULHERN: I would like to ask if perhaps could
07:55:03 you talk to the gentleman who came in just to talk
07:55:05 about fencing.
07:55:05 >> Sure.
07:55:08 We talked to him before.
07:55:14 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Ms. Feeley?
07:55:16 Any other comments you care to make at this time
07:55:18 regarding this?
07:55:21 We don't know who owns the fence.
07:55:23 >>ABBYE FEELEY: They are not required by the special
07:55:26 use to put up a fence.
07:55:27 They have the proper buffering that are required.
07:55:32 They wouldn't need a fence here to be able to exercise
07:55:34 the right to install one should that be their decision.
07:55:38 They would just need to do so under the provisions of
07:55:40 the overlay district.
07:55:41 So, you know, if everyone -- I'm fine with how things
07:55:48 >>FRANK REDDICK: Are you aware that that property -- I
07:55:52 don't know if petitioner knows this, but the property
07:56:00 that you are speaking of, and they are not utilizing
07:56:04 that property, and they are just keeping the yard
07:56:10 mowed, the grass, so they are the ones that you are
07:56:13 speaking of, staff, on that property.
07:56:19 I just wanted to let you know that.
07:56:23 If you need to contact the person.
07:56:30 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Any further discussion by council?
07:56:34 >>HARRY COHEN: Move to close.
07:56:36 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Second by Mrs. Montelione.
07:56:38 The ayes have it unanimously.
07:56:39 Mr. Cohen, number 6.
07:56:40 >>HARRY COHEN: I move an ordinance being presented for
07:56:43 first reading consideration, an ordinance approving a
07:56:46 special use permit S-2 approving a place of religious
07:56:54 assembly in representation 50 residential single-family
07:56:58 and RM-16 residential multifamily zoning district in
07:57:01 the general vicinity of 21503 and 2106 east Osborne
07:57:06 Avenue in the city of Tampa, Florida and as more
07:57:08 particularly described in section 1 hereof providing an
07:57:11 effective date and incorporating the revision sheet
07:57:12 that was attached as an exhibit.
07:57:14 >>FRANK REDDICK: Second.
07:57:15 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion by Mr. Cohen, second
07:57:17 by Mr. Reddick on a close vote with Mrs. Montelione.
07:57:20 All in favor of the motion indicate by saying aye.
07:57:23 Opposed nay.
07:57:23 The ayes have it unanimously.
07:57:25 Thank you very much for attending.
07:57:27 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried with Capin being absent at
07:57:31 Second reading will be September 27th at 9:30 a.m.
07:57:42 >>ABBYE FEELEY: Item number 7 on your agenda is
07:57:44 located at 111 North Dale Mabry highway.
07:57:47 This is a PD to PD rezoning.
07:57:50 Many of you will know that Tampa Commons center, it is
07:57:54 the Barnes and Noble, Village Inn and Office Depot
07:58:00 center that is on the east side of Dale Mabry just
07:58:09 north of Kennedy.
07:58:09 The request is PD to PD, know it to build anything, but
07:58:12 to allow for alternative uses.
07:58:15 When this was first rezoned to planned development, the
07:58:18 two uses were retail and restaurant.
07:58:21 And as you know, with changes in the market and things
07:58:23 happening, they are looking to put other uses in that
07:58:26 would occupy these spaces, much like uses to the north.
07:58:31 The Circuit City, I guess, went to a medical office.
07:58:36 The request before you tonight is really to add those
07:58:38 other uses into the property.
07:58:40 >>> David Hay from your Planning Commission staff and I
07:58:56 have been sworn.
07:58:57 The first thing is to let you know that the subject
07:58:59 site falls in the Westshore planning district.
07:59:02 It is not within the central planning district.
07:59:07 It is noted within the Planning Commission staff
07:59:10 It is in the Westshore.
07:59:11 The subject site is located in the Westshore overlay
07:59:14 district, and as such is designated as part of the
07:59:17 Westshore business center.
07:59:18 The comprehensive plan recognizes these business
07:59:20 centers as vital economic engines for our entire Tampa
07:59:24 Bay region, approximately 100,000 people are employed
07:59:26 within the Westshore business district.
07:59:29 Next we have the future land use map.
07:59:32 As you can see the subject site is located near the
07:59:35 northeast corner of North Dale Mabry highway and West
07:59:38 Kennedy Boulevard.
07:59:41 It's currently the Barnes & Nobles site on Dale Mabry.
07:59:46 The subject site and adjacent parcels along North Dale
07:59:48 Mabry highway are designated regional mixed use 100.
07:59:53 One of the most intensive land use categories in the
07:59:56 City of Tampa.
07:59:57 We have residential 10 within the Oakford park
08:00:02 neighborhood, east and north of the subject site,
08:00:07 representing the mostly single-family residential
08:00:09 development, and to the south along Kennedy Boulevard
08:00:12 we have some urban mixed use 60.
08:00:21 To get a better overview with the aerial, we have the
08:00:24 subject site in the middle of the map.
08:00:28 We have the Tampa Commons building which is right on
08:00:31 the corner of Kennedy and Dale Mabry.
08:00:35 You can see the single-family development within the
08:00:37 Oakford park to the east and the commercial development
08:00:41 along North Dale Mabry highway and Kennedy Boulevard.
08:00:44 The parcel that is directly to the north is the
08:00:49 villages on Dale Mabry.
08:00:50 With all that said, the introduction of the additional
08:00:54 uses would be consistent with the Tampa comprehensive
08:00:58 Thank you.
08:01:06 >>ABBYE FEELEY: Land development.
08:01:08 The property was zoned in 1993 for four buildings
08:01:13 totaling 56,421 square feet of what was constructed as
08:01:18 it is today.
08:01:19 And I had mentioned Village Inn.
08:01:23 It's actually Ruby us the, Barnes and Noble, Office
08:01:27 I will show you pictures of that.
08:01:29 I utilized exactly the same site plan they adopted, in
08:01:33 the '92 rezoning, and that's important because in the
08:01:36 second page of this site plan, there were conditions
08:01:38 about the buffering of this center from that
08:01:42 single-family residential that David mentioned.
08:01:45 I wanted to make sure that we did bring all that
08:01:47 forward, and the conditions are exactly the same.
08:01:50 The only thing that is changing is that they are
08:01:52 looking for alternative uses such as medical office,
08:01:55 business professional office, anything that would be
08:01:59 allowed to occupy those spaces, as long as parking and
08:02:04 everything else is being provided per code.
08:02:06 As you will see, there are no waivers being requested
08:02:10 with the request this evening.
08:02:18 As David mentioned, the site is shown here in green.
08:02:22 Dale Mabry to the west.
08:02:23 Kennedy to the south.
08:02:25 Sterling to the east.
08:02:28 It does go all the way back to Sterling.
08:02:32 There is PD for the office immediately to the south.
08:02:35 The CG corridor running along Dale Mabry.
08:02:37 CG running along Kennedy.
08:02:39 And the RS-50 single-family just to the east of
08:02:48 Here is the existing aerial.
08:02:50 I do have some shots of the site.
08:02:52 This is from Dale Mabry looking east into the center.
08:02:57 This is the property to the north.
08:03:04 This is the subject property.
08:03:05 Also a piece of the subject property.
08:03:08 The site is over six acres.
08:03:10 This is to the south.
08:03:21 Coming up Sterling.
08:03:23 Moving north.
08:03:32 This is looking back toward the Office Depot.
08:03:38 The northeast corner of Sterling and Dale Mabry.
08:03:48 Staff had no objections.
08:03:49 There are no modification beings so there is no
08:03:51 revision sheet for you this evening.
08:03:53 Thank you.
08:03:53 >> We are here to answer any questions that may come
08:04:21 We appreciate your time.
08:04:23 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Any questions by council members?
08:04:26 Mrs. Mulhern?
08:04:27 >> Is Barnes and Noble closed already?
08:04:30 >> No, Barnes and Noble is not closed, and there are no
08:04:33 plans currently for any changes.
08:04:34 It's just for future.
08:04:35 >> Good.
08:04:36 We still have a book store.
08:04:38 Thank you.
08:04:39 >> Anyone in the audience care to speak on this subject
08:04:46 matter, item number 7?
08:04:48 Please come forward.
08:04:49 >>FRANK REDDICK: Move to close.
08:04:53 >>HARRY COHEN: Second.
08:04:55 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: All in favor of the motion to close
08:04:56 please indicate by saying aye.
08:04:59 Opposed nay.
08:04:59 The ayes have it unanimously.
08:05:01 Mrs. Mulhern, would you kindly take number 7, please?
08:05:05 >>MARY MULHERN: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
08:05:19 I move an ordinance for first reading consideration, an
08:05:21 ordinance rezoning property in the general vicinity of
08:05:24 3314 -- no, not the right one.
08:05:30 I move an ordinance being presented for first reading
08:05:33 consideration, an ordinance rezoning property in the
08:05:36 general vicinity of 111 North Dale Mabry highway in the
08:05:39 city of Tampa, Florida, more particularly described in
08:05:42 section 1 from zoning district classifications PD,
08:05:45 planned development, retail and restaurant, to PD,
08:05:48 planned development, retail, restaurant, medical office
08:05:51 and all CG and CI uses, providing an effective date.
08:05:54 >> Second.
08:05:57 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Motion by Mrs. Mulhern.
08:05:58 I have a second by Mr. Suarez.
08:05:59 All in favor of the motion please indicate by saying
08:06:02 Opposed nay.
08:06:06 >>THE CLERK: Second reading and adoption will be held
08:06:09 on September 27 at 9:30 a.m.
08:06:13 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Item number 8.
08:06:14 >>ABBYE FEELEY: Land Development Coordination.
08:06:32 Item number 8 on your agenda is Z-12-29 located at 3314
08:06:37 west Tampa Bay Boulevard, and the request before you
08:06:39 this evening is PD planned development to PD planned
08:06:43 development, office, business professional.
08:06:46 >> Good evening.
08:06:55 David Hay with your Planning Commission staff again.
08:06:57 And I have been sworn.
08:06:59 This site is another redevelopment opportunity within
08:07:03 the central Tampa planning district.
08:07:05 It's located at 3314 west Tampa Bay Boulevard.
08:07:10 The subject site is also located within the northern
08:07:12 boundaries, the northeast MacFarlane park neighborhood.
08:07:23 Here we can see the subject site on the future land use
08:07:26 Most of this portion of Tampa Bay Boulevard is
08:07:27 designated residential 20, as is the subject site.
08:07:30 Here we have the residential 10, representing
08:07:33 predominantly single-family detached residential.
08:07:36 To the west over near Himes Avenue we have some
08:07:40 community mixed use 35 and residential 35, future land
08:07:44 use categories.
08:07:47 And then finally onto the aerial.
08:07:53 You can see the subject site located along Tampa Bay
08:07:57 And we have Tampa Bay Boulevard running east-west, and
08:08:00 here is Himes Avenue running north-south.
08:08:03 You can see the edge of Tampa Bay Boulevard elementary
08:08:07 way over there in the east side of the map.
08:08:09 We have some office and personal service uses along
08:08:12 this portion of Tampa Bay Boulevard.
08:08:16 We have the sandwich shop located on the north side of
08:08:21 Tampa Bay Boulevard.
08:08:22 And you can see the stadium, the stadium in TB studios
08:08:29 on north Himes Avenue.
08:08:30 Regarding the comprehensive plan the zoning meets a
08:08:35 number of policies regarding the encouragement private
08:08:37 investment within the central planning district.
08:08:39 The proposed building will be positioned close to Tampa
08:08:41 Bay Boulevard and called for within policy 13.3.6.
08:08:46 The proposed design and use is compatible and
08:08:48 comparable with the existing development patterns found
08:08:50 along this portion of Tampa Bay Boulevard, also the use
08:08:53 will be appropriately buffered and screened from
08:08:56 adjacent residential uses.
08:08:58 With all that said plan being commission staff finds
08:09:00 the rezoning request consistent with if Tampa
08:09:02 comprehensive plan.
08:09:03 >>ABBYE FEELEY: Land development.
08:09:15 The request before you this evening is from PD to PD,
08:09:19 3314 west Tampa Bay to construct a 3,314 square foot
08:09:25 business professional office.
08:09:28 This is the first time the building matched the address
08:09:31 for me so that was kind of funny.
08:09:33 Subject property is 12,533 square feet or .3 acres and
08:09:38 it is surrounded on the north, south and west by
08:09:40 residential single-family detached and semi-detached.
08:09:43 The property to the east is currently vacant.
08:09:46 There are four waivers being requested.
08:09:49 Three of them are related to buffering.
08:09:51 The first is to reduce the required use buffer on the
08:09:54 south from 15-foot with a six-foot masonry wall to
08:09:59 10-foot 6 inches with a 6-foot solid wood fence.
08:10:03 The second is to reduce the use of the buffer on the
08:10:05 west from 15 feet with a 6-foot masonry wall to 5-foot
08:10:09 with a 6-foot solid wood fence.
08:10:11 The third is to reduce the required use buffer on the
08:10:15 east from 15-foot to 6-foot masonry wall to a 5-foot
08:10:19 buffer with no fence or wall.
08:10:21 The last is to reduce the drive aisle from 26 feet to
08:10:24 24 feet.
08:10:28 The PD setbacks are as follows: North which would be
08:10:31 the front, 8 feet, south which would be the rear 13
08:10:34 feet, west which would be five-yard, and the east side
08:10:41 The maximum building height is proposed at 35 feet and
08:10:44 a total of 11 parking spaces are required and 13 spaces
08:10:47 are being provided.
08:10:50 Site elevations have been provided.
08:10:58 Pill go ahead and show you the site.
08:11:01 Right now, a large parking area in the center, here is
08:11:09 the one on the east of the property.
08:11:11 Here is the one on the west of the property.
08:11:14 Moving west, there are single-family homes.
08:11:19 Moving to the east, there is a vacant land area there.
08:11:25 That's also zoned PD as part of the original PD for
08:11:29 this property.
08:11:35 It's from 1979 for that.
08:11:38 I couldn't find the site plan.
08:11:40 In fact, I don't think there was a site plan back then.
08:11:44 Here is looking north across Tampa Bay Boulevard.
08:11:47 This is directly to the northeast.
08:11:49 This is to the northwest.
08:11:51 And this is a view just to the west from the driveway
08:11:55 of the property.
08:12:00 Staff found the application consistent.
08:12:02 We did have one minor modification.
08:12:04 And since it was so minor I didn't do a revision sheet.
08:12:07 I would like to read that into the record.
08:12:09 It was just to adjust the setback for the south side to
08:12:15 show the 10-foot 6 inches.
08:12:18 That's for the solid waste enclosure.
08:12:20 So the waivers, everything was proper for that setback.
08:12:24 It's just that the actual setback was at 10-foot 6
08:12:28 inches in the site data table.
08:12:29 So if that could be corrected between first and second
08:12:31 reading staff would find the request consistent.
08:12:33 Thank you.
08:12:34 >> Good evening, Mr. Chairman and members of council.
08:12:45 I'm John Larocca, Murphy LaRocca Consulting, agent for
08:12:49 the applicant.
08:12:52 Abbye indicated the proposal is a small neighborhood
08:12:57 scale professional office use converting what are two
08:13:02 duplexes built in the late 70s, early 80s, into a
08:13:07 small scale one-story or planned to be one-story
08:13:11 professional office anticipated at this point law
08:13:17 offices, 383300 square feet with a floor area ratio of
08:13:22 On the aerial I have an illustration of the elevation
08:13:25 from Tampa Bay Boulevard, we designed it so that it
08:13:27 would be somewhat compatible from a residential
08:13:31 perspective in terms of scale and appearance.
08:13:34 We respectfully request your consideration.
08:13:36 We concur and agree with the one small amendment to the
08:13:40 site plan.
08:13:41 I have that condition in the staff report.
08:13:44 We will make that change between first and second
08:13:48 Thank you.
08:13:49 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Questions by council members at this
08:13:50 Anyone in the audience care to speak to this item, item
08:13:53 number 8?
08:13:55 I see no one.
08:13:55 >> Move to close.
08:13:58 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion to close by Mr.
08:13:59 Cohen, seconded by Mr. Reddick on a close vote with
08:14:02 Olympian Suarez.
08:14:03 All in favor? Opposed?
08:14:05 The ayes have it unanimously.
08:14:06 Mr. Reddick, would you kindly take number 8, please?
08:14:10 >>FRANK REDDICK: Move an ordinance presented for first
08:14:12 reading consideration, an ordinance rezoning property
08:14:14 in the general vicinity of 3314 west Tampa Bay
08:14:18 Boulevard in the city of Tampa, Florida, more
08:14:20 particularly described in section 1 from zoning
08:14:23 district classification PD, planning development, to
08:14:26 PD, planned development office, business, professional,
08:14:30 providing an effective date.
08:14:31 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion by Mr. Reddick.
08:14:33 I have a second by Mr. Suarez.
08:14:34 All in favor of the motion please indicate by saying
08:14:36 Opposed nay.
08:14:37 The ayes have it unanimously.
08:14:38 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried unanimously.
08:14:40 Second reading and adoption will be on September
08:14:42 27th at 9:30 a.m.
08:14:45 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Item number 9 now.
08:14:47 >>ABBYE FEELEY: Land Development Coordination.
08:15:09 Item number 9 is case Z-12-30 located at 18 Columbia
08:15:15 drive on Davis Island.
08:15:16 The request before you this evening is from an RM-24 to
08:15:20 a PD planned development for residential single-family,
08:15:24 or Tampa General Hospital residential.
08:15:29 I'll go ahead and let Mr. Hay speak and then I'll
08:15:33 finish my presentation.
08:15:35 Thank you.
08:15:35 >> Good evening, council members.
08:15:44 David Hay again with your Planning Commission staff and
08:15:47 I have been sworn.
08:15:48 The next site is located on Davis islands within the
08:15:51 central Tampa planning district.
08:15:52 It falls within the boundaries of the Davis Islands
08:15:55 urban village.
08:15:56 As you are aware our urban villages have all been part
08:16:00 of secondary planning process that is being used to
08:16:02 guide or inform the future development patterns of
08:16:06 those areas.
08:16:09 Next we have the future land use map.
08:16:14 And you can see the subject site within the center of
08:16:16 the map, Davis Island bridge is over here in the top
08:16:21 We have the Davis Boulevard and Columbia drive running
08:16:25 mostly north-south.
08:16:26 The large blue area to the north is public-semi-public
08:16:31 land use category.
08:16:33 Representing the Tampa General and the administration
08:16:36 center for Hillsborough community college.
08:16:39 The subject site in most of the parcels on the west
08:16:42 side of Columbia drive are designated suburban mixed
08:16:47 use 6.
08:16:48 The brown colored center along Davis Boulevard is
08:16:50 residential 35.
08:16:53 Moving west, sent area long we have residential 10.
08:16:58 And then along the western shore, we have somebody
08:17:01 yellow which represents residential 6.
08:17:04 And the small area here, some residential 10 which is
08:17:08 currently developed with town homes.
08:17:17 Next you can see the campus of tap general and you have
08:17:19 the parking garage directly across the street of the
08:17:22 subject site.
08:17:22 The Ronald McDonald house is located right here on the
08:17:26 We have the administration center for Hillsborough
08:17:28 community college.
08:17:29 And then we have some multifamily residential lining
08:17:37 Davis Boulevard.
08:17:38 We have the palace of Florence right here on the
08:17:43 southeast corner of harbor place and Davis Boulevard.
08:17:47 The structure directly to the north of the subject site
08:17:50 is the parking garage for 17 Davis Boulevard office
08:17:56 Regarding the comprehensive plan, the Planning
08:17:58 Commission staff found the proposed rezoning meets a
08:18:00 number of policies regarding encouragements of private
08:18:03 investment within the central planning district.
08:18:06 The project is respectful of historical character found
08:18:09 within the area while also providing greater housing
08:18:12 opportunities for patients at the adjacent Tampa
08:18:14 General Hospital.
08:18:15 Where that said, Planning Commission staff finds the
08:18:18 rezoning request consistent with the Tampa
08:18:20 comprehensive plan.
08:18:21 >>ABBYE FEELEY: Thank you.
08:18:33 If I can step back a minute, these are seeking to take
08:18:42 residential homes and provide support housing to
08:18:44 patients at Tampa General Hospital who may be
08:18:47 undergoing a transplant, and need recovery, so they
08:18:51 would live there and be able to have a spouse or
08:18:54 someone with them, or if it was a child, parents with
08:18:58 them while they are going through the recovery process.
08:19:00 I'll let Mr. Ma Guinness speak more.
08:19:04 Both applications are for the exact same uses, and they
08:19:08 are actually in proximity to one another.
08:19:11 So it may be easier if I show you where they are in
08:19:13 relation to each other and what's going on.
08:19:20 It also could remain as a single-family home.
08:19:24 Those are the uses you see under the planned
08:19:27 With this application there are four waivers.
08:19:29 The first is to be reduce the vehicle use area buffer
08:19:33 right-of-way from 8-foot to 6-foot, and then total of
08:19:37 66 square feet.
08:19:38 The second is to reduce the required buffer adjacent to
08:19:41 the office use on the west, 15-foot buffer with a of
08:19:46 foot wall to 13 feet with a 6-foot wood fence and
08:19:49 4-foot vinyl fence in the site plan.
08:19:52 And the third is to allow reduction in the aisle width
08:19:55 from 6:00 feet to 14 feet.
08:19:57 The last is to allow vehicles to maneuver in the
08:19:59 right-of-way for parking spaces.
08:20:02 There are no structural modifications being proposed.
08:20:06 Structures are going to remain as is.
08:20:08 Parking areas are going to be modified just a little
08:20:10 bit, to provide four parking spaces.
08:20:17 At this location.
08:20:23 So the zoning atlas, the subject property is on 24.
08:20:32 The other property will be speaking just at the corner
08:20:35 So when I show you my photo presentation, I am going to
08:20:38 show you that the whole south block and the north
08:20:41 block, and you will be able to see both properties with
08:20:46 one another.
08:20:48 The aerial David went through, the campus of TGH, in
08:20:56 very close proximity to both of these residential
08:21:06 This is 18 Columbia way.
08:21:13 As you can see, there is parking out, and parking will
08:21:17 remain in the same location to be modified just a
08:21:19 little bit.
08:21:22 This is immediately to the west.
08:21:27 And this is further west along Columbia.
08:21:33 This is the property to the east.
08:21:36 Currently vacant.
08:21:39 Traveling eastbound Columbia.
08:21:41 There is a parking area here that service it is
08:21:43 property on Davis Boulevard.
08:21:49 Single-family residential.
08:21:51 Still traveling east.
08:21:54 Single-family residential.
08:22:00 I have them in the other files.
08:22:02 And this is the last house that will be talked about in
08:22:06 the next application.
08:22:07 This is the north side of Columbia drive traveling
08:22:17 And looking east from the other parking structure back
08:22:23 down Columbia drive.
08:22:30 Staff had reviewed the application, and working with
08:22:33 the applicant had some concerns related to the intent
08:22:37 of the proposed use.
08:22:38 We are requesting modification to the site plan, note
08:22:42 number 1, and that is that permitted uses would be
08:22:46 single-family dwelling, and then residential support
08:22:48 housing for the hospital.
08:22:50 Under that, we would ask that the support housing would
08:22:52 be limited to three separate principal suites, four
08:22:57 hospital patients and their family members and/or
08:22:59 caregivers, and that there be no more than three
08:23:02 occupants per suite.
08:23:07 That modification could be made between first and
08:23:09 second reading.
08:23:10 And with that staff would find the request consistent.
08:23:13 >> Thank you.
08:23:16 >> Good evening, council members.
08:23:23 Mr. Chairman.
08:23:23 My name is David Mechanik, 305 South Boulevard, Tampa,
08:23:28 Florida here on behalf of Tampa General Hospital.
08:23:32 I think Abbye did a very good job describing the use.
08:23:35 It could be any variation of activities.
08:23:39 It could be someone who was waiting for a transplant
08:23:42 and needs to be very close by the hospital to be ready
08:23:46 and available.
08:23:48 And it could be as indicated could be a child with a
08:23:51 parent taking care of them in the home.
08:23:54 A very, very small scale situation, and the homes will
08:23:59 preserve all of the residential character that you see
08:24:03 in the photograph.
08:24:05 The intent, of course, is to preserve the existing
08:24:08 structures and simply make modifications within the
08:24:12 interior, with the exception of adding parking to the
08:24:17 But even that it's being done in a Quay that's
08:24:20 sensitive to the residential character of the area.
08:24:27 The change that Abbye requested, we would like to go on
08:24:31 record as saying we concur in that request.
08:24:35 And the only other thing I would like to add is that
08:24:38 the waivers that are requested are really all related
08:24:42 to the fact that we have an existing structure that we
08:24:46 wish to preserve.
08:24:47 And so to accommodate that and the additional parking,
08:24:50 those waivers were necessitated.
08:24:53 And I would like to say, I should have opened with
08:24:56 this, I have with me this evening Mr. Fernandez who is
08:25:01 director of facilities management with Tampa General,
08:25:05 and we will be happy to answer any questions you might
08:25:09 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Any questions by council members at
08:25:10 this time?
08:25:13 >>MARY MULHERN: Thank you.
08:25:16 You are going to keep this existing structure, right?
08:25:20 >> Yes, ma'am.
08:25:21 >>MARY MULHERN: So just the interior renovations, and
08:25:23 they will be --
08:25:28 >> Well, they are called suites.
08:25:31 It is really a three bedroom home so each bedroom would
08:25:33 be set up to allow for a different family that might
08:25:36 want to occupy them.
08:25:37 >>MARY MULHERN: Okay.
08:25:40 How big is this house?
08:25:44 >>DAVID MECHANIK: The house, the square footage of the
08:25:45 house is 1926 feet.
08:25:50 So it's really a modest size three-bedroom house.
08:25:53 >>MARY MULHERN: Okay.
08:25:57 Thank you.
08:25:58 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Just one question.
08:26:01 All the notices, did you hear any response from the
08:26:05 property owner that has the vacant lot?
08:26:09 >>DAVID MECHANIK: We have not heard any comments from
08:26:10 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Okay.
08:26:13 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Anyone in the audience care to speak
08:26:14 on item number 9?
08:26:16 Please come forward.
08:26:17 >>> Good evening.
08:26:24 I'm Cassidy and president of the Davis Island civic
08:26:29 We have investigated the Florida health sciences zoning
08:26:35 application for Columbia drive, 1834 Columbia drive.
08:26:39 First of all there's a couple of inconsistencies.
08:26:41 The City of Tampa zoning atlas, the applications
08:26:45 correctly indicate the present zoning on both
08:26:47 properties are RM-24, even though the property
08:26:50 appraiser's Web site indicates that 34 Columbia drive
08:26:54 is zoned RS-60.
08:26:55 So there's an inconsistency within the city.
08:26:58 Secondly, however, the neighborhood property to the
08:27:03 south along Columbia drive are zoned RS-60.
08:27:06 Residential single-family is 60 feet.
08:27:14 The proposed PD, the zoning request for residential
08:27:16 support facilities would substantially increase the
08:27:20 commercial or non-residential character of that
08:27:24 The intent commercial use of TGH to the east and the
08:27:28 proposed PD zoning to the north will cast a broad
08:27:32 shadow with the residential character of this
08:27:38 neighborhood along Columbia drive.
08:27:39 Our main concerns, though, are when TGH -- with TGH as
08:27:45 always, when it gets the PG approval this would allow
08:27:49 for them a very easy modification.
08:27:53 Of the present proposal to a more intense use in the
08:27:56 And I think that's -- obviously that's what they are
08:27:58 trying to achieve.
08:27:59 TGH has significant land ownership along Columbia drive
08:28:03 which wraps around.
08:28:06 It's only a matter of time before TGH will seek
08:28:11 multi-story office hospital facilities from Columbia
08:28:14 drive through to Davis Boulevard, creating a canyon
08:28:17 effect that will overshadow the entrance.
08:28:20 As a result, the civic association objects to this PD.
08:28:28 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Ms. Feeley, would you answer a
08:28:30 question here?
08:28:32 Just explain why 24 and 60 and the conflict between
08:28:37 property appraisal office and the city, as I heard?
08:28:41 >>ABBYE FEELEY: When I -- Abbye Feeley, land
08:28:46 When I take a land development zoning I take the atlas,
08:28:52 and we met with the applicant prior to this application
08:28:55 coming in.
08:28:55 It is on 24.
08:28:58 The property appraiser's office may be incorrect in
08:29:01 what they have posted on the property, but according to
08:29:05 the city's official zoning atlas both those pieces are
08:29:08 shown as the RM-24.
08:29:10 There's a small PD in between, and then the RM-24.
08:29:16 >> Just for the record, can you very briefly tell us
08:29:19 the difference between RM-24 and 60?
08:29:22 >> Sure.
08:29:23 RM-24 is a residential multifamily zoning district.
08:29:26 It allows 24 units to the acre.
08:29:32 This piece has an underlying land use of SMU-6 which is
08:29:37 suburban mixed use 6 which would only allow six units
08:29:40 to the acre.
08:29:41 Even though the zoning on top of it has an RM-24, you
08:29:45 can never exceed that underlying land use of six units
08:29:49 per acre.
08:29:50 So what was built there was built prior to the zoning
08:29:53 conformance of 1987 so it has been in existence, and
08:29:59 would continue that way.
08:30:00 The site plan that the hospital is proposed tonight
08:30:03 allows for the existing single-family structure in its
08:30:07 current configuration, either to be a single-family
08:30:12 residence or to be occupied as three separate units
08:30:16 within the existing residence for a residential support
08:30:21 use for the hospital.
08:30:23 Those are the only two uses that would be allowed.
08:30:25 This is site plan controlled.
08:30:27 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
08:30:29 Ms. Mulhern?
08:30:30 >>MARY MULHERN: Yes.
08:30:30 I think this would a question for Mr. Mechanik.
08:30:34 As I'm looking at the zoning atlas, and I can see
08:30:38 the -- I think I can see what's going to be the next
08:30:46 one, the next rezoning on our agenda, but I would like
08:30:49 to know, can you tell me how much those properties,
08:30:53 along that same site as Columbia, by the hospital?
08:31:01 >>DAVID MECHANIK: Let me check with Mr. Fernandez.
08:31:32 Tampa General owns two vacant parcels which we can put
08:31:42 up on the Elmo and Mr. Fernandez can point out where
08:31:45 they are.
08:31:56 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Just for the record let him identify
08:31:59 >> Fernandez, the director of facilities management at
08:32:03 Tampa General Hospital.
08:32:05 And along Columbia drive, we own these two residences
08:32:11 that are currently being asked to be rezoned to provide
08:32:15 housing for patients being treated at the hospital.
08:32:18 And we also own two vacant parcels.
08:32:23 On Columbia.
08:32:25 >>MARY MULHERN: Can you show us where they are on
08:32:28 >> Unfortunately, I cannot tell from the site plan.
08:32:31 But they are all within the same block.
08:32:37 >>MARY MULHERN: So are they approximately the same
08:32:39 size as, for instance, the subject one with the green
08:32:44 >> Yes, it would be approximately that size.
08:32:50 >> Okay.
08:32:53 That's a lot.
08:32:53 >> One is more along the size, the yellow residence,
08:32:59 had a Spanish colonial look to it.
08:33:01 That is really offices for Ronald McDonald house.
08:33:04 And that's the size of the other parcels.
08:33:06 >> So we are going to see tonight more than twice as
08:33:17 Is that all in these blocks between Arbor and the
08:33:34 >>DAVID MECHANIK: Mr. Fernandez was speaking about the
08:33:36 ownership along Columbia drive, along that entire
08:33:39 >> So that block of Columbia?
08:33:46 That's across from the hospital?
08:33:48 >> From this point, from Arbor all the way -- to the
08:33:53 >>MARY MULHERN: Okay.
08:33:59 >>DAVID MECHANIK: I think, number one, this is not an
08:34:01 intensification of use.
08:34:02 This is the use which is allowed under the
08:34:06 comprehensive plan.
08:34:07 It is most certainly not considered a commercial use.
08:34:12 It is a residential in character.
08:34:15 Second, I think the objection from the woman from the
08:34:19 association, she was concerned about something we might
08:34:22 ask for in the future, and there are no current plans
08:34:27 to do anything further at this time.
08:34:29 But anything that we might be considering doing has to
08:34:33 come back before City Council.
08:34:35 So in fairness to the merits of our request this
08:34:39 evening, we would just ask that you consider what we
08:34:41 are asking for, not what might come down the road at
08:34:45 some point in the future.
08:34:46 Again, we have no plans for anything in particular
08:34:50 beyond what we are asking for this evening.
08:34:53 But, again, neither of these requests involve a
08:34:58 commercial use or any intensification of this property.
08:35:06 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Olympian Cohen.
08:35:06 >>HARRY COHEN: Just for clarification, I was going to
08:35:10 ask that question about whether or not you would have
08:35:12 to come back if you wanted to do anything additional.
08:35:16 But to our legal counsel, it would not be appropriate
08:35:19 for us to take into account speculation about what they
08:35:24 might do with the property in the future, that they
08:35:27 might come to City Council about, correct?
08:35:33 >>JULIA MANDELL: Julie Mandell, legal department.
08:35:37 This is a planned request.
08:35:39 It was very specified uses of what is allowed as far as
08:35:41 this if it is approved.
08:35:44 The fact they could in the future come back and ask for
08:35:46 anything different is really not a relevant
08:35:48 >> And if they did it would have to go through the
08:35:51 whole process?
08:35:55 >>JULIA MANDELL: That's correct.
08:35:55 And this is an SMU 6 land classification.
08:36:00 You don't see that south of Fletcher, it's typically
08:36:02 something reserved for the north Tampa and New Tampa
08:36:05 area, in that classification is an obligation that you
08:36:08 have a PD zoning.
08:36:09 There is no allowability for Euclidean zoning so they
08:36:12 wouldn't even have an opportunity to come back before
08:36:17 you so they would have to amend the PD for Euclidean
08:36:20 That would be their only option.
08:36:23 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you.
08:36:26 Anyone else in the audience who has not spoken, care to
08:36:29 speak on item 9?
08:36:31 I see no one.
08:36:32 >>FRANK REDDICK: Move to close.
08:36:36 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Motion to close by Mr. Reddick.
08:36:37 Seconded by Mr. Cohen.
08:36:38 All in five of the motion?
08:36:41 The ayes have it unanimously.
08:36:42 Ms. Capin, will you kindly take number 9, please?
08:36:47 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Ordinance being presented for first
08:36:48 reading consideration, an ordinance rezoning property
08:36:52 in the general vicinity of 18 Columbia drive in the
08:36:55 city of Tampa, Florida and more particularly described
08:36:57 in section 1 from zoning district classifications RM-24
08:37:02 residential multifamily to PD planned development,
08:37:05 residential, single-family, or hospital residential
08:37:08 support housing, providing an effective date.
08:37:12 Along with changes as indicated by Ms. Feeley between
08:37:18 first and second reading.
08:37:23 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a second by Mr. Suarez.
08:37:25 Discussion by council members?
08:37:27 Mrs. Mulhern.
08:37:27 >>MARY MULHERN: Yes, I am going to support this.
08:37:30 But I just wanted to reassure you that I think this
08:37:37 use, which is basically a residential or housing for
08:37:40 the hospital, that they can't make any changes.
08:37:44 It has to either be housing or that -- housing for
08:37:53 So I think you are bringing it because if something in
08:37:59 the future especially comes in front of this same
08:38:03 council, we will remember this.
08:38:04 >> I also --
08:38:06 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: No.
08:38:07 >> You have to come to the mike.
08:38:11 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: No.
08:38:11 This hearing is closed.
08:38:13 This hearing is closed.
08:38:14 I'm sorry.
08:38:14 I am going to rule everybody out of order.
08:38:16 >>MARY MULHERN: She wants to submit something, I
08:38:22 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: We can tack that.
08:38:25 We already discussed it.
08:38:30 Well, you can submit that H.no, you can submit that.
08:38:32 >>MARY MULHERN: You can submit it.
08:38:35 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Yes, that's submittable.
08:38:37 That's a record to be received and filed when we
08:38:40 receive and file them all at the end.
08:38:42 We always do that.
08:38:43 FROM THE FLOOR: Okay.
08:38:46 Thank you.
08:38:46 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much so much.
08:38:48 And Mrs. Mulhern is trying to explain.
08:38:50 I know you have to go somewhere.
08:38:52 But she's very correct.
08:38:54 Go on.
08:38:55 >>MARY MULHERN: Yes, I'm just saying we understand
08:38:58 your concern and I think it's legitimate because of the
08:39:01 amount of area that they do own there.
08:39:03 But we can't vote on any of speculation, but this
08:39:08 council will, you know, if the hospital would like to
08:39:12 come back for any kind of rezoning, as you heard from
08:39:15 our attorneys, it has to come back here, and we would
08:39:18 hear it, and we will remember.
08:39:25 All right.
08:39:28 >>YVONNE CAPIN: And if she watches on TV later I am
08:39:30 going to add that we added that it's three people in
08:39:35 each suite.
08:39:37 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
08:39:38 Let me see where I am at.
08:39:40 I had a little diversion there.
08:39:42 I took two steps left and one step right, and it was
08:39:46 the three-step salsa.
08:39:47 I have a motion by Mrs. Capin.
08:39:49 I have a second by Mr. Suarez, if I recall.
08:39:53 The motion on the floor for approval.
08:39:55 All in favor of the motion please signify by saying
08:39:57 Opposed nay.
08:39:58 The ayes have it unanimously.
08:39:59 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried unanimous live.
08:40:01 Second reading and adoption will be on September 22nd
08:40:04 at 9:30 a.m.
08:40:06 >> Item number 10.
08:40:07 >>ABBYE FEELEY: Land Development Coordination.
08:40:39 Item number 10 is Z-12-31 located at 34 Columbia drive.
08:40:44 The request is from RM-24 to PD, planned development,
08:40:49 residential single-family or hospital residential
08:40:51 support housing.
08:40:53 There are two waivers with this request, one to allow
08:40:56 reduction in aisle width and 26 to 13 and one to allow
08:41:01 vehicles for right-of-way for the parking spaces.
08:41:05 I believe Mr. Hay's presentation would be the same,
08:41:09 given that we are on the same block for the same use.
08:41:12 This is the -- there is an existing single-story home
08:41:19 here with 2372 square feet and it would be three suites
08:41:23 also with the same requirement for maximum of three in
08:41:27 each of those rooms.
08:41:33 The zoning atlas, I did not give you this sheet.
08:41:41 We were up here previously, at the corner of Arbor and
08:41:47 You will see again underlying land uses, SMU 6.
08:41:54 Any change in the zoning requires that it be to a site
08:41:56 plan controlled development.
08:42:02 I'll show you some pictures.
08:42:07 This is the intersection of Arbor and Columbia.
08:42:11 This is the front of the existing structure.
08:42:16 Here is the side.
08:42:17 The rear where the parking area will be located.
08:42:20 Another view of that, back into the property.
08:42:24 Here is the property immediately to the south.
08:42:30 There is the parking area there.
08:42:32 The Ronald McDonald house is to the north.
08:42:36 It's kind of on that curve.
08:42:39 The direction is not exactly north.
08:42:41 Also, HCC.
08:42:46 This is the east side of Arbor.
08:42:49 And the second structure on Columbia drive, just on the
08:42:55 other side of Arbor.
08:43:00 Staff is requesting the same modification be made.
08:43:03 There are no exterior structural modifications being
08:43:05 proposed for this.
08:43:07 Total of two spaces are required and four spaces are
08:43:11 being provided.
08:43:12 Photos of the existing structure everybody provided as
08:43:14 elevations for this PD.
08:43:17 Land Development Coordination has the same
08:43:20 modifications being requested.
08:43:21 And we are available for any questions.
08:43:24 >>HARRY COHEN: Okay, petitioner.
08:43:34 >>DAVID MECHANIK: 305 South Boulevard.
08:43:35 I can make this quick.
08:43:36 We concur in the recommended change requested by Abbye.
08:43:41 This use is identical to the previous application.
08:43:45 The house, of course, is at 34 Columbia, and is
08:43:48 slightly larger, but all of the conditions remain
08:43:52 exactly the same.
08:43:54 And the waiver request is again necessitated by the
08:44:00 physical aspect of preserving the existing structure as
08:44:03 well as to provide for the additional parking.
08:44:05 Thank you.
08:44:05 >>HARRY COHEN: Questions from council members?
08:44:10 Seeing none, there S there anyone from the public that
08:44:13 would like to speak on this issue?
08:44:17 We have a motion to close by Councilwoman Mulhern,
08:44:19 seconded by Councilman Reddick.
08:44:21 All those in favor please indicate by saying aye.
08:44:25 Motion passes.
08:44:27 Mr. Suarez, would you please kindly take item number
08:44:30 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I move an ordinance being presented for
08:44:33 first reading consideration, an ordinance rezoning
08:44:35 property in the general vicinity of 34 Columbia drive
08:44:38 in the city of Tampa, Florida and more particularly
08:44:40 described in section 1 from zoning district
08:44:43 classifications RM-24 residential multifamily to PD
08:44:48 planned development residential single-family for a
08:44:51 hospital residential support housing providing an
08:44:53 effective date and including the revision sheet as
08:44:57 provided by staff indicating that the residential
08:45:00 support housing shall be limited to three separately
08:45:03 rentable suites for hospital patients and their family
08:45:06 members and/or caregivers, and the intent is to allow
08:45:10 no more than three occupants per suite.
08:45:17 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Motion by Mr. Suarez, seconded by
08:45:18 Mr. Reddick on item number 10.
08:45:21 All in favor?
08:45:22 Motion passes unanimously.
08:45:23 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried unanimously.
08:45:25 Second reading and adoption will be on September
08:45:27 27th at 9:30 a.m.
08:45:31 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: We go to item number 11.
08:45:41 Oh, number 12.
08:45:42 I'm sorry.
08:45:42 >>ABBYE FEELEY: Land development.
08:45:48 Number 12 is located at 3936 West Kennedy Boulevard.
08:45:52 It is case Z-12-35 and the quarterback this evening is
08:45:56 from PD planned development to CI commercial intensive.
08:46:00 There are no waivers being requested with this
08:46:02 application this evening.
08:46:04 And I will defer to Mr. Hay and then finish my
08:46:18 >> David Hay with your Planning Commission staff again.
08:46:22 I have been sworn.
08:46:23 Here is our first and only case falling within the
08:46:26 South Tampa planning district.
08:46:28 This site is located at the northernmost extent of the
08:46:33 It's at the southeast corner of Kennedy Boulevard and
08:46:35 south Grady Avenue.
08:46:37 Though it is in the South Tampa planning district,
08:46:39 since it is designated urban mixed using 60 it does
08:46:43 fall within the boundaries of the Westshore business
08:46:45 It is also located within the boundaries of Swann
08:46:52 Here we have the fought land use map.
08:46:57 You can see that we have the urban mixed use 60 along
08:47:02 Kennedy Boulevard.
08:47:04 We have the residential 10 to the south of the subject
08:47:06 site in Swann estates.
08:47:08 The darker browns in the lower right represent the
08:47:12 residential 20 and residential 35 future land use
08:47:15 categories, and the existing Melrose court apartments
08:47:21 and some existing town home developments.
08:47:27 On the aerial you can see the subject site right in the
08:47:32 Which is currently the home of the Japanese spa.
08:47:36 We have Kennedy Boulevard running east-west.
08:47:38 We have moving eastward toward downtown, down Kennedy
08:47:43 Boulevard, we have the automotive dealership.
08:47:48 We have the American Allegiant cemetery.
08:47:52 And then we get to North Dale Mabry highway at the
08:47:55 eastern edge of the aerial.
08:47:56 We can see the Melrose court apartments to the
08:47:59 southeast, and the predominantly single-family pattern
08:48:02 of Swann estates and north Bon Air neighborhood.
08:48:07 The Planning Commission staff found that the proposed
08:48:10 rezoning would allow for the redevelopment of the
08:48:12 subject site in keeping with the nonresidential
08:48:15 development pattern along this segment of Kennedy
08:48:18 Any new construction on-site would be required to
08:48:21 standards within the Westshore overlay district.
08:48:23 Planning Commission staff would recommend that the
08:48:26 applicant, when designing their site, shall have
08:48:29 sensitivity toward the two single-family uses to the
08:48:32 west of the subject site along south Grady Avenue.
08:48:36 With that said, planning commission staff finds the
08:48:39 rezoning requesting consistent with the Tampa
08:48:40 comprehensive plan.
08:48:41 >>ABBYE FEELEY: Land development.
08:48:50 As I mentioned this request before you tonight is from
08:48:52 a PD planned development to a CI commercial intensive
08:48:56 zoning district.
08:48:58 Really go ahead and show you some pictures of the site,
08:49:03 as well as I do have the PD plan.
08:49:06 This was a PD from 1988 that's currently on the
08:49:11 And it was for the property as is.
08:49:16 There were no other development rights than what was
08:49:19 existing on the property and has remained on the
08:49:21 property today.
08:49:29 David showed you the aerial.
08:49:33 This the east.
08:49:38 There is commercial uses to the west.
08:49:47 There is commercial uses all along Kennedy Boulevard.
08:49:51 As you will see, the site shown here in green as PD,
08:49:56 CI, immediately to the east, CG all along Kennedy
08:50:08 Some photos of the site.
08:50:12 Here is Kennedy Boulevard.
08:50:13 This is from Grady.
08:50:16 Another view from Grady.
08:50:18 Traveling south down Grady.
08:50:28 On the east side of the street.
08:50:32 This is north across Kennedy Boulevard.
08:50:36 Also across Kennedy.
08:50:39 Immediately to the east.
08:50:46 And the view down Kennedy.
08:50:52 To the west.
08:50:53 This is travel lane on the west side of Grady going
08:51:02 And the CG portion.
08:51:06 And then there is residential.
08:51:08 Immediately along Grady.
08:51:15 As I mentioned there are no waivers being requested
08:51:17 with this application.
08:51:18 It is located in the Kennedy overlay.
08:51:23 Or the Westshore overlay, pardon me.
08:51:26 It's on Kennedy.
08:51:27 Therefore, they will need to meet all required
08:51:29 buffering, all setback requirements on the property.
08:51:35 A CI commercial intensive zoning district does require
08:51:38 10,000 square feet minimum lot area.
08:51:41 It also requires a minimum yard width of hundred
08:51:45 The setbacks would be 10-foot on the front, zero on the
08:51:51 sides and rear.
08:51:52 However, when you include your use to use buffering
08:51:54 it's going to be a minimum of 15-foot setback with a
08:51:56 6-foot masonry wall that will be required there.
08:51:59 As I mentioned there are no waivers.
08:52:02 In my staff report I did provide you with a use table,
08:52:05 highlighted in yellow, where all the CI uses that could
08:52:08 potentially be located on this property for your
08:52:12 Staff did find the request consistent.
08:52:13 And we are available for any questions.
08:52:16 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
08:52:17 >> Good evening.
08:52:25 Gina Grimes with the law firm of Hill, Ward and
08:52:26 Henderson, and I have been sworn.
08:52:30 I'm here tonight representing King automotive. With me
08:52:35 also is Mr. Jason King, in the audience, and his
08:52:38 project manager Steve Uderus, and then our land use
08:52:45 consultant team is myself, and Ty Maxey of Englehart
08:52:47 Hammer, and Randy Coen from Cohen and Associates.
08:52:50 The reason that this rezoning is being requested was
08:52:55 because this site was acquired back in March of this
08:52:57 year by an entity that's related to King's automotive,
08:53:03 and at the time back in March the purpose of acquiring
08:53:05 the site was because they had had plans to separate the
08:53:11 service areas for the VW and the Honda dealership on
08:53:14 Kennedy Boulevard, and that was the reason, part of the
08:53:17 reason why this site was acquired.
08:53:20 Those development plans changed during the process
08:53:22 because Mr. King's was able to acquire another site on
08:53:27 Dale Mabry Boulevard which is the next application,
08:53:32 Dale Mabry Highway, which is the next application on
08:53:34 the agenda tonight.
08:53:35 And in acquiring that site, which is the old days INN,
08:53:41 Hawaiian village, hotel site, where there was the Green
08:53:46 Iguana, in acquiring that site he was able to change
08:53:49 his development plans and intends to move the Honda
08:53:51 dealership from the Kennedy site to the Dale Mabry
08:53:55 So this site at the corner of Grady and Kennedy will be
08:54:00 used to allow him to expand the existing automotive
08:54:05 dealership a little bit further to the west off of this
08:54:08 site that he had already acquired.
08:54:10 And as Abbye told you, the rezoning is to CI.
08:54:14 And the reason that the CI zoning is requested is
08:54:17 because that is the minimum amount, the minimum zoning
08:54:20 district lowest level zoning district we would need in
08:54:23 order to allow vehicle sales and leasing.
08:54:28 So CI is the Euclidean district that would allow that.
08:54:34 As was mentioned by Mr. Hay and by Ms. Feeley, this is
08:54:41 in the Westshore business center under the
08:54:43 comprehensive plan, and there is a significance with
08:54:45 I know in the comp plan we typically always refer to
08:54:47 all the residential protections that are in the comp
08:54:50 plan, but believe it or not there are some provisions
08:54:54 in the comp plan that encourage, protect business and
08:54:59 commercial uses, and they have cited this in their
08:55:06 staff report.
08:55:06 Englehart Hammer has prepared a planning report in your
08:55:09 package of materials tonight, and they also highlight
08:55:11 the comp plan objective for the Westshore business
08:55:14 center, which is to ensure the prosperity and
08:55:18 competitiveness of this area, and also to have rezoning
08:55:26 to support the sustainability of Westshore as a major
08:55:30 economic and employment generator.
08:55:32 And in the Englehart hammer report, they go on to say
08:55:36 that this, in their opinion as planners, that this
08:55:39 rezoning is a reasonable expansion of an existing,
08:55:44 well-known and established and successful business in
08:55:46 the Westshore business center.
08:55:48 So with that, they concluded that this rezoning
08:55:51 actually advances the comprehensive plan and found it
08:55:54 consistent with that because it advances it.
08:55:56 On the site right now, or previously, there's be a sole
08:56:01 building on the site, and I think you saw pictures of
08:56:12 It states that some of the residential uses and some of
08:56:14 the businesses on the west side of Grady, and the
08:56:18 zoning currently is PD to allow retail commercial.
08:56:22 However, in speaking with the neighborhood -- and I
08:56:24 have spoken to the president of the estates civic
08:56:31 association, spoke with some of the neighbors and
08:56:32 property owners that owns a home on the west side of
08:56:35 Swann, and they request very happy to hear that this
08:56:38 rezoning was going forward because of this existing
08:56:44 Very intrusive as far as the neighborhood was
08:56:47 And so they both told me that I was authorized to
08:56:51 represent to you that they were in support of this
08:56:55 So the rezoning not only allows the expansion of King's
08:56:59 auto motives but eliminates a nuisance than is a
08:57:03 detraction to the area.
08:57:04 The CI zoning that we are asking for is consistent with
08:57:06 the zoning that encompasses most of the rest of the
08:57:11 King's automotive site, and also one important point we
08:57:15 wanted to emphasize is with the Honda dealership moving
08:57:18 to the Dale Mabry site that this site will be used
08:57:22 exclusively for VW, which was moving half of the
08:57:26 dealership off the site, essentially, will result in
08:57:30 actually a deintensification of the activities that are
08:57:35 current on the site.
08:57:38 As was also mentioned by the staff, this is in the
08:57:41 Westshore overlay, and there are significant
08:57:45 residential protections that are contained in your
08:57:47 Westshore overlay, and they are included, also, a list
08:57:52 of those are listed in your package of materials.
08:57:55 And I would like Mr. Cohen, who is one of the authors
08:57:58 of the Westshore overlay, to get up and address some of
08:58:01 those protections and how they will protect the
08:58:05 adjacent residential in this instance.
08:58:08 And one other thing I think he will address, this is
08:58:11 probably one of the first opportunities that you all
08:58:13 will have to use the Westshore overlay in a way in
08:58:18 which it was intended, and that is that to combine it
08:58:22 with the Euclidean zoning district, a non-PD site plan
08:58:26 related district, to use the overlay to establish those
08:58:31 more restrictive development standards as opposed to
08:58:34 using a PD to do so.
08:58:36 So with that I'll turn it over to you.
08:58:40 >>> Good evening.
08:58:41 My name is Randy Coen, 4121 -- and I have been sworn.
08:58:46 I have had the pleasure of being the chairman of the
08:58:48 Westshore Alliance master plan committee for a number
08:58:51 of years.
08:58:52 Last year, one of my major charges was to manage the
08:58:55 actual amendment to the Westshore overlay.
08:58:58 In doing that, we met with virtually every one of the
08:59:00 neighborhood associations and any neighbor who wanted
08:59:03 to meet with us to talk about the overlay, to explain
08:59:07 to them what was going on with the overlay and to find
08:59:10 out what protections they felt were necessary to allow
08:59:13 Euclidean zoning within wrest shore but provide the
08:59:16 protections necessary for the residential community,
08:59:19 which frankly the alliance value is a substantial
08:59:23 amount of residential in Westshore.
08:59:24 We want to keep that the way, whether it be
08:59:27 single-family or multifamily or apartments or
08:59:30 condominiums, et cetera.
08:59:31 So we actually have the buy-in, every one of the
08:59:34 neighborhood associations, in the Westshore area.
08:59:37 They were in support of the overlay.
08:59:39 So just to bring you up to speed -- in this particular
08:59:42 case, we have a Euclidean zoning, commercial intensive,
08:59:46 which is very typical along Kennedy Boulevard.
08:59:49 However, because we have the overlay in place there are
08:59:52 a number of criteria that will apply and protect
08:59:55 residential in this Euclidean zoning that would not
08:59:58 anywhere else in the City of Tampa.
09:00:00 And that in the overlay these criterion apply in
09:00:04 addition to the Euclidean zoning.
09:00:06 For this particular case, there are virtually no
09:00:08 residential uses adjacent to this property.
09:00:11 So I'll talk about a number of protections in the
09:00:16 But I will save talking about re residential
09:00:19 immediately abutting the next case which is on Dale
09:00:23 Mabry which in fact we have residential abutting and
09:00:25 we'll talk a little more about that then.
09:00:27 But in this particular case, when you are not adjacent
09:00:29 to residential, you still/to deal with residential in
09:00:32 the overlay, therefore in Euclidean districts.
09:00:38 They must be finished.
09:00:39 They must be painted et cetera so you don't have some
09:00:41 of the things that unfortunately occur other places.
09:00:44 Speaker systems, if they are involved, loudspeakers,
09:00:46 et cetera, must provide evidence that in fact they
09:00:49 comply with code, city code before they are ever
09:00:53 They must be directed away from residential uses,
09:00:56 whether the residential use is adjacent or not if they
09:00:59 are in the impact area.
09:01:00 So speaker systems are taken care of.
09:01:02 Service bay, garage doors, et cetera, must be oriented
09:01:07 away from residential.
09:01:08 That's another way of keeping the noise down for
09:01:14 Moving down, all forms of lighting whether it be
09:01:17 streetlighting, on-site lighting, whether it be signed
09:01:20 lighting, whether it be parking lighting, must be
09:01:23 shielded and directed a way from residential.
09:01:25 Finally, when you get to illuminated signs under the
09:01:29 Westshore overlay, if you are a resident within 300
09:01:34 feet of the property, those illuminated signs must be
09:01:38 turned out of at 11 p.m. and cannot come back on until
09:01:40 7 a.m. in the morning, unless there is a business that
09:01:42 is actually open for business after 11 p.m.
09:01:46 And then they are only allowed to be open at the time
09:01:50 the business is actually opened.
09:01:51 We have a number of setback criterias.
09:01:54 We have criterias that deal with residential,
09:01:57 et cetera, but I'll save it for the next case, because
09:01:59 it will be a little more important when we have a
09:02:01 substantial number of residential single-family houses
09:02:05 adjacent to that property.
09:02:06 But glad to answer any questions you may have.
09:02:08 And I'm delighted to be here in front of you tonight
09:02:12 talking about the overlay since I spent so much time on
09:02:14 it last year.
09:02:15 Thank you.
09:02:15 >> any questions at this time?
09:02:17 Thank you very much U.
09:02:17 Anyone in the audience care to speak on this item, item
09:02:20 number 12?
09:02:21 Please come forward.
09:02:21 >> Good evening.
09:02:31 Greg Moran.
09:02:33 I reside at 12117 south Grady Avenue just a few houses
09:02:39 down from the pictures and I am on the west side of
09:02:41 Grady so I am not immediate reply adjacent to the
09:02:44 I have been there since 2002 so I am very concerned
09:02:46 about the developments of this business.
09:02:49 First I want to say I am not going to miss the Japanese
09:02:52 It had to go and glad they are moving on.
09:02:54 So I am not necessarily opposed to this development.
09:02:57 I'm very concerned about that word "intensive."
09:03:00 Because already we have noise, traffic, occasionally
09:03:06 double decker trucks that come down Grady and aren't
09:03:09 supposed to be there but they do anyway.
09:03:11 They circle the block, go in and out Church.
09:03:15 We have grand oaks that I am concerned about.
09:03:18 In a word I am just concerned about the impact of this
09:03:20 business expansion.
09:03:22 Again I'm not necessarily opposed.
09:03:24 I'm glad to hear that they are expanding on Kennedy.
09:03:26 So that's the good news for me.
09:03:29 As a close neighbor.
09:03:31 I was involved heavily with the dispute back in '02 and
09:03:40 It was on and once again I'm glad to hear that they are
09:03:45 not expanding into the neighborhood.
09:03:48 They are on Kennedy and I'm not opposed to.
09:03:50 That but I especially wanted to emphasize that him
09:03:53 concerned about the development, about the noise, about
09:03:54 the impact.
09:03:57 This is my South Tampa.
09:04:01 I like to turn friends I live further south.
09:04:03 I live on that wall.
09:04:04 And I like the to make South Tampa affordable, too.
09:04:09 Please also, in my previous experience, when people
09:04:12 come to speak in support of further development, and
09:04:16 say they live there, please ask them if they work for
09:04:20 this dealership.
09:04:21 Because that happened the last time we did that.
09:04:23 Folks who live in the area are not revealing that they
09:04:27 worked, or were employed, by this business.
09:04:29 And I thought it was unfair.
09:04:32 So please take that into consideration when you hear
09:04:34 support for this.
09:04:35 I don't work for this business.
09:04:37 I'm a teacher.
09:04:39 And I just would ask you all to please stand up for the
09:04:43 neighborhood and the impact that this business has on
09:04:46 the neighborhood.
09:04:47 Thank you for your time.
09:04:49 Good night.
09:04:50 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thanks very much, sir.
09:04:52 Petitioner, rebuttal.
09:04:57 >>GINA GRIMES: I think in rebuttal what I would say is
09:05:01 the concerns he expressed are the kinds of issues that
09:05:03 you have already addressed in adoption of your
09:05:05 Westshore overlay standards, and so I think as far as
09:05:10 this particular site is concerned, which is almost a
09:05:13 half acre site, it's a small additional part to be
09:05:16 added on to the dealership.
09:05:18 I don't think that you are going to see much of an
09:05:20 impact from the site that that's small with respect to
09:05:23 the concerns that he cited.
09:05:32 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Questions by council members?
09:05:34 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I think what I heard, the most
09:05:39 concern to the gentleman who spoke, was the truck
09:05:43 traffic that may or may not be directly related to the
09:05:46 existing use of the property, so the project, the
09:05:56 concern that the truck traffic in there.
09:05:59 But is there delivery truck access -- I know it's not a
09:06:06 PD, but that seems to be the largest concern.
09:06:10 >> The service area is on the other side, on the
09:06:14 complete opposite side of the site on the far east,
09:06:17 eastern side of the site.
09:06:18 So I don't -- and it's anticipated that this portion of
09:06:23 the site would be used for additional vehicle display.
09:06:27 So I don't see how this site would generate any
09:06:31 additional truck traffic.
09:06:32 If there is truck traffic it seems like it would be on
09:06:36 the opposite side.
09:06:37 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I'm not sure we addressed what
09:06:40 seemed to be the major concern.
09:06:42 >>GINA GRIMES: I'm not sure the piece he's delivering
09:06:44 to, general delivery trucks in the area or something
09:06:47 related to this use.
09:06:47 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Thanks.
09:06:49 >>ABBYE FEELEY: Land development.
09:06:57 I just want to say that when this is rezoned, code
09:07:00 requires that commercial traffic access clerks, Grady
09:07:05 as a local, they P and attributable to, the truck
09:07:17 traffic may not have anything to do with the
09:07:20 Access is going to need to be on Kennedy.
09:07:22 And this will alleviate any commercial access that's
09:07:25 currently in existence under the PD.
09:07:27 That will all be closed off.
09:07:34 >>GINA GRIMES: I want to say for the record, I don't
09:07:36 want you feel like you have been misled in any way.
09:07:39 We are not at this stage, Randy -- and I mentioned
09:07:42 this -- Randy is going to be meeting with staff when he
09:07:45 goes through the Westshore design overlay and site
09:07:49 compliance, and I don't know at this stage whether it's
09:07:51 definitive whether the Grady access point will be
09:07:55 And I think part of it depends on whether or not the
09:07:59 FDOT access can be remained if this is combined with
09:08:02 the adjacent site.
09:08:05 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Ms. Capin?
09:08:06 >>YVONNE CAPIN: (off microphone) That was exactly what
09:08:10 I was going to about, was the ingress-egress and it was
09:08:16 cleared by Abbye and yourself.
09:08:17 Thank you for that.
09:08:17 >>MARY MULHERN: I don't have my mike on either.
09:08:30 The property that's the car dealership is already zoned
09:08:32 commercial intensive, right?
09:08:35 And the rest of -- it's just from this little page of
09:08:41 Kennedy that I'm looking at that we have. Do you need
09:08:47 this commercial intensive zoning in order to have car
09:08:51 >> Yes.
09:08:52 The least intensive zoning district that allows vehicle
09:08:58 sales and leasing, is the category under the list of
09:09:02 permitted uses.
09:09:03 So here -- I know that one is kind of small and the
09:09:07 intent of that map was to shown what the specifics were
09:09:10 of this PD, and then this PD over here, and this PD as
09:09:14 >> It's CI.
09:09:16 Almost the entire site is CI.
09:09:18 It's only this small portion right here.
09:09:22 >>MARY MULHERN: And just looking at the trend on
09:09:26 So it looks like it's all commercial general across the
09:09:32 north side, and then you have got the PDs.
09:09:37 >> I want to mention something else.
09:09:39 And this is the comp plan map.
09:09:41 And it's in the comp plan map, urban mixed use
09:09:47 designation and a lot of the most intensive comp plans
09:09:50 designations in the city, that allow CI, and you can
09:09:55 see how far back the line goes.
09:10:00 It encompasses the whole site and a little further
09:10:04 This is fronting on Kennedy Boulevard.
09:10:06 And there's the Westshore business center.
09:10:10 I think it's an activity center under the comprehensive
09:10:13 It's slated for commercial intensive development.
09:10:17 >> Okay.
09:10:20 Any other discussion by council members?
09:10:24 I have a motion to close by Mrs. Montelione.
09:10:26 Second by Mr. Cohen.
09:10:27 All in favor of the motion please indicate by saying
09:10:30 Opposed nay.
09:10:31 The ayes have it unanimously.
09:10:32 Mrs. Montelione, would you kindly take number 12?
09:10:36 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I present an ordinance for first
09:10:38 reading consideration, an ordinance rezoning property
09:10:40 in the general vicinity of 3936 West Kennedy Boulevard
09:10:43 in the city of Tampa, Florida and more particularly
09:10:45 described in section 1 from zoning district
09:10:48 classification PD planned development to CI commercial
09:10:51 intensive providing an effective date.
09:10:52 >> Second.
09:10:54 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion by Mrs. Montelione,
09:10:55 second by Mr. Cohen.
09:10:57 All in favor of the motion please indicate by saying
09:10:59 Opposed nay.
09:11:01 The ayes have it unanimously.
09:11:02 >> Motion carried unanimously.
09:11:03 Second reading and adoption will be on September 27 at
09:11:06 9:30 a.m.
09:11:08 >> Item number 13.
09:11:10 >>ABBYE FEELEY: Land development.
09:11:42 Item number 13 is case Z-12-41, at 2520 and 2522 North
09:11:49 Dale Mabry highway for PD, planned development to CI
09:11:52 commercial intensive.
09:11:53 This is Euclidean rezoning request, and there are no
09:11:57 waivers being permitted with this request.
09:12:11 David Hay with your Planning Commission staff and I
09:12:13 have been sworn.
09:12:15 We are heading back over the Westshore planning
09:12:17 district with this next case.
09:12:19 The site is the former Airport Stadium Inn and old
09:12:24 Green Iguana known as the old Bennigan's restaurant,
09:12:31 it's in the overlay district which is a business and
09:12:33 retail center.
09:12:34 It falls within the boundaries of the Carver City
09:12:37 Lincoln Gardens neighborhood.
09:12:45 As we go to the future land use map I would like to
09:12:47 make a correction on this map.
09:12:48 The site is actually -- this entire site, not just the
09:12:52 old Bennigan's, or Green Iguana site, it's the entire
09:12:56 hotel and restaurant site.
09:12:59 That whole area there is regional mixed use 100.
09:13:06 It is the most intensive land use category outside of
09:13:11 downtown Tampa.
09:13:12 This intensity is adjacent to the residential 10, which
09:13:17 down to the southwest, it's reflective of the
09:13:21 single-family detached residential character in the
09:13:23 Carver City Lincoln Garden neighborhood.
09:13:27 Finally to the aerial, we can see the subject site in
09:13:30 the center of the map, west Columbus drive is at the
09:13:33 northern part of the map and we have Dale Mabry highway
09:13:36 running north-south.
09:13:39 As we go north along Dale Mabry from the subject site,
09:13:43 we have the Crazy Buffet, and Jerry Ulm Dodge, on the
09:13:53 east side of Dale Mabry going south we have the K-Mart
09:13:56 plaza on the southeast corner, Columbus drive and
09:13:59 northeast highway, the Sweetbay supermarket directly
09:14:02 across the street to the east of the subject site, and
09:14:05 then we have the Howard Johnson's hotel further south
09:14:08 along Dale Mabry.
09:14:10 Regarding the comprehensive plan, Planning Commission
09:14:12 staff found the proposed rezoning would allow for the
09:14:15 redevelopment of the subject site in keeping with the
09:14:17 nonresidential development pattern found along this
09:14:20 segment of North Dale Mabry highway.
09:14:23 All future development on-site would be required to
09:14:25 meet the standards of the Westshore overlay district.
09:14:28 And during the development process Planning Commission
09:14:31 staff would recommend to the applicant to show
09:14:34 sensitivity in the design, and I think the applicant is
09:14:36 going to talk about that to the single-family
09:14:39 residential homes that are currently located directly
09:14:41 to the south along Palmetto street.
09:14:45 Therefore, based on all that, Planning Commission staff
09:14:47 finds the proposed rezoning consistent with the Tampa
09:14:49 comprehensive plan.
09:14:51 I'm here to answer any questions.
09:14:54 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Any questions at this time?
09:14:55 Thank you very much.
09:14:55 >>ABBYE FEELEY: The request before you is from PD
09:15:03 planned development to CI commercial intensive.
09:15:06 I actually PDed the property in 2006, when the Publix
09:15:11 got rezoned and it went from CI to mixed use
09:15:14 development for 913,000 square feet of office, hotel,
09:15:20 residential, entertainment complex.
09:15:24 It was a very large site.
09:15:28 It's 8.2 acres.
09:15:31 A little bit of history is it is one of the largest
09:15:34 privately held zonings in the City of Tampa, from
09:15:38 property line to property line.
09:15:40 So with this change to the CI and the fact that it
09:15:42 probably hasn't sold in awhile, I would assume that
09:15:45 that zoning would be terminating or going away.
09:15:49 There is single-family residential immediately to the
09:15:51 south of the property along west Palmetto.
09:15:54 Mr. Cohen will talk to you about the overlay district
09:15:57 and what is required there as far as minimum setbacks.
09:16:04 As far as intensive, minimum standards, obviously the
09:16:06 site is over 10,000 square feet at .2 ache percent
09:16:09 P.it does meet the 100-foot minimum yard width, and the
09:16:17 most intensive land use that the city has, the CI
09:16:20 zoning would be appropriate.
09:16:21 I did provide you with a table as quell in your staff
09:16:27 Oh, it went from OP-1 to PD.
09:16:30 Sorry, not CI to PD.
09:16:31 Went from OP-1 to PD.
09:16:34 I have that in my report.
09:16:39 I'll show you the property.
09:16:42 Hear is the remainder of that OP-1 that would have
09:16:45 continued all the way to Dale Mabry Highway, Palmetto
09:16:49 is to the south.
09:16:53 CI to the north.
09:16:55 Crazy Buffet.
09:16:57 Jerry Ulm Dodge is to the north at Columbus and Dale
09:17:05 It's close to Bennigan's.
09:17:08 Most recently Green Iguana.
09:17:12 And the property from the Sweetbay plaza across the
09:17:18 street looking west.
09:17:20 It has some fence and appears demolition activity has
09:17:28 initiated on the property.
09:17:32 There is another picture of the TIKI hut that was
09:17:38 Crazy Buffet to the north.
09:17:42 And on the east side, the restaurant.
09:17:53 And the sign.
09:17:54 So familiar stretch of Dale Mabry Highway south of
09:17:59 Raymond James stadium.
09:18:00 Staff did find the request consistent.
09:18:03 And we are available for any questions.
09:18:05 >> Thank you very much.
09:18:12 >>GINA GRIMES: With the law firm of Hill, Ward,
09:18:13 Henderson, 101 East Kennedy Boulevard.
09:18:17 And I have been sworn.
09:18:18 Again, I represent King's automotive on this rezoning
09:18:25 application tonight.
09:18:26 As I mentioned earlier this site was acquired in June
09:18:30 of this year so just a couple months ago.
09:18:32 And the intent is to relocate the Honda dealership from
09:18:35 Kennedy to this site.
09:18:41 Abbye is correct that the demolition of the existing
09:18:46 hotel is already underway.
09:18:48 It's not almost completed by now which should give
09:18:53 some, I think, sense of comfort that even though it's a
09:18:56 CI zoning, they are moving forward with development of
09:18:59 the site.
09:19:01 Again, the CI is the least intensive zoning that won
09:19:05 allow the vehicle sales and leasing.
09:19:08 Probably the most important and significant thing I can
09:19:11 tell you about this site is it's a significant
09:19:15 down-zoning from what is there right now.
09:19:18 And that was information that was welcomed by the
09:19:23 neighborhood association.
09:19:25 When Mr. King hired us to represent him on this
09:19:32 property the first thing did he was to speak to the
09:19:34 neighborhood association before we moved forward.
09:19:36 He wanted to know their position on it.
09:19:38 And what we did is, I spoke to Dr. Harvey several
09:19:46 different times.
09:19:46 He was very happy, number one, that the Green Iguana
09:19:50 was going to be closed.
09:19:51 Apparently the music and the sound and the secondary
09:19:55 effects from the Green Iguana had an effect on that
09:19:57 neighborhood. And Dr. Harvey actually lived on the
09:20:06 street that is immediately abutting this site, so he
09:20:08 was very happy to hear the Green Iguana was closed.
09:20:12 And when I spoke to him after they closed he was even
09:20:16 They are also very happy that this huge rezoning is
09:20:19 going to be eliminated.
09:20:21 As Abbye mentioned it's almost a million square feet
09:20:23 that was approved for this site, believe it or not.
09:20:26 And what he was most concerned about is the height
09:20:29 limitation under the existing zoning was 150 feet.
09:20:32 He was going to have up to 14 stories, residential
09:20:39 commercial uses, looking down on all these
09:20:42 single-family homes just to the south.
09:20:44 So the neighborhood is very happy that the site is
09:20:49 going to be rezoned to CI, ought automotive.
09:20:55 Randy is going to speak to you again with respect to
09:20:57 the Westshore overlay with this being governed by the
09:21:01 Westshore overlay even though it's Euclidean zoning,
09:21:05 there will be those protections in place to protect the
09:21:08 adjacent residential area.
09:21:10 >> Good evening again.
09:21:16 Randy Coen.
09:21:17 I have been sworn.
09:21:18 4121 west Cyprus street.
09:21:22 A lot more about what why the neighborhoods are not
09:21:26 opposed to the Euclidean zonings.
09:21:28 As a matter of fact, the way I understand it one of the
09:21:30 first questions that Dr. Harvey asked was is this
09:21:34 property within the Westshore overlay everybody? When
09:21:36 he heard yes, tonight let me tell you why. Building
09:21:45 We are talking Euclidean zoning so there are no waivers
09:21:48 from these standards whatsoever.
09:21:49 They are required just like everything else.
09:21:52 It's required in Euclidean zoning district.
09:21:55 Buildings must be set back a minimum of 15 feet.
09:21:58 Anything over 30 feet, they must set back an additional
09:22:02 feet for each additional foot of height.
09:22:04 So we deal with height.
09:22:05 We deal with the fact you can't look into a neighbor's
09:22:09 Vehicle use setback 25 feet.
09:22:12 Also, because this is a commercial use we have
09:22:15 buffering requirements, the 6-foot masonry wall,
09:22:20 whether it be basically a concrete block wall, cannot
09:22:24 be waived.
09:22:25 We have the 15-foot landscape buffer required.
09:22:28 We have trees required every 60 feet as well.
09:22:33 And if you are a vehicle use parking lot or storage,
09:22:37 that's 25 feet away from residential property.
09:22:40 So we have a substantial number of setbacks required
09:22:44 If there were to be a parking structure, and there
09:22:46 isn't one required here or needed here, but if there
09:22:49 were a park being structure, typically, yes, it's that
09:22:53 parking structure where in adjacent neighborhood
09:22:58 residential, on that particular side, again protecting
09:23:02 the neighborhood.
09:23:03 But again no unfinished walls, speaker systems, rather
09:23:06 important in this particular use must be directed away
09:23:08 from the residential, must provide evidence of
09:23:11 complying with code and standards before it can ever be
09:23:14 put in place.
09:23:18 Garage doors, one of the noisier things, must be
09:23:20 oriented away from residential.
09:23:22 Best way to block sound transmission from the garage
09:23:26 and that sort of transmission, open penetrations and
09:23:31 Garbage receptacle, must be at least 25 feet away from
09:23:35 residential, must be fully screened.
09:23:36 The screening can't be stack aid fence.
09:23:40 It must be material very similar to those materials
09:23:42 used in the construction of the primary buildings on
09:23:44 the property.
09:23:45 So you are not talking about these flimsy things we see
09:23:48 from time to time U.
09:23:50 Park being lot lighting, on-site lighting, again, must
09:23:53 be directed away from residential, must be shielded to
09:23:56 make sure that they are directed a way from
09:24:11 Must be after that unless the business is open.
09:24:13 So we have a number of items here that are the typical
09:24:16 items that City Council over the years have placed on
09:24:19 commercial uses when they are adjacent to residential.
09:24:22 That's homework we D.C. in creating the overlay to make
09:24:28 sure in fact being the Euclidean zoning district
09:24:30 adjacent to single-family residential provided all of
09:24:32 the protections that City Council typically required
09:24:36 over the last five to seven years.
09:24:38 So happy to answer any questions you may have.
09:24:41 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Any questions at this time?
09:24:43 Thank you very much.
09:24:45 Anyone in the audience care to speak on item number 13?
09:24:49 >> Lamar Blair with south Florida barbecue stadium,
09:25:00 Inc., own and operate Sonny's barbecue across the
09:25:04 street and happy to see the car dealership come in
09:25:07 It's exciting.
09:25:07 We are a little concerned about the CI zoning.
09:25:10 But I guess that's the case.
09:25:12 Is there not a planned development dealership zoning?
09:25:18 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'll let petitioner handle that.
09:25:19 >> But that's our concern, is the zoning, not because
09:25:23 of the car dealership but ten years, 15 years from now
09:25:26 when they decide that Honda, the new cars are not in
09:25:32 and they decide we are going to move some place,
09:25:46 >>GINA GRIMES: Remember, one of the purposes of
09:25:48 adopting the Westshore overlay standards was so that
09:25:51 you did not have to go, and this site carries the comp
09:25:57 plan designation of regional mixed use.
09:26:00 It is the most intensive land use category that you
09:26:03 have other than as David said downtown.
09:26:07 This is the appropriate location for CI zoning whether
09:26:09 it's automotive dealership or whatever it could be.
09:26:12 So CI is not the uses allowed in CI in general would be
09:26:19 consistent with the underlying comp plan.
09:26:22 This is where you designate for those type of uses to
09:26:25 But let me say one other thing.
09:26:26 Because a lot of times, everybody wants to talk about
09:26:29 economic development, but you all wouldn't have that
09:26:40 many opportunities to direct economic development but
09:26:42 this is a good example of that. I don't know if you
09:26:45 all have a sense of how much it costs to Don rezoning
09:26:48 but it's expensive.
09:26:49 The application fee is expensive, hiring the consultant
09:26:52 to do the site plan is expensive, hiring me to work
09:26:56 onto on the PD is expensive.
09:26:57 Sending people to these meetings.
09:26:59 The Euclidean zoning without having to go through all
09:27:02 the time and effort and money that it tease to do a PD
09:27:05 is a substantial savings, and it's an economic
09:27:08 development incentive to people when you can combine
09:27:11 your Westshore overlay standards with the Euclidean
09:27:15 This is a grade example of a location where it's
09:27:19 perfect for this type of development, the using is
09:27:21 perfectly appropriate on Dale Mabry Highway next to
09:27:24 other adjacent automotive uses.
09:27:27 I mean, there's a variety of uses on Dale Mabry.
09:27:29 All kinds of CI uses.
09:27:33 So this is not out of character with the area, and it's
09:27:36 perfectly consistent with the comprehensive plan.
09:27:39 And you ever the Westshore overlay to make sure nearby
09:27:44 neighborhoods are not negatively effected.
09:27:46 But forget about all of that.
09:27:48 He's concerned about the CI.
09:27:50 Imagine what would happen under the existing zoning
09:27:52 where you have a -- there's approval for 910,000 square
09:27:55 feet of commercial uses and hotels and entertainment
09:27:59 center, and offices and restaurants, and residential,
09:28:03 and the height is 150 feet.
09:28:05 It's going to be overlooking not just Sonny's barbecue
09:28:09 but the residences.
09:28:10 Not to mention Abbye's point that the whole site is
09:28:13 zoned for -- 4 COP, eight acres of 4(COP), and we are
09:28:18 asking for a CI.
09:28:20 This is a down-zoning.
09:28:21 And you have all the support that you need from staff
09:28:25 and from our package of materials, the planning
09:28:28 reports, to support this request.
09:28:31 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
09:28:32 Any questions by council members at this time?
09:28:35 Anyone else who has not spoken, would care to speak?
09:28:38 Need a motion to close.
09:28:40 I have a motion by Mr. Cohen.
09:28:42 I'm sorry, I missed the second.
09:28:45 Second by Mrs. Montelione.
09:28:47 All in favor of the motion?
09:28:48 Opposed nay?
09:28:49 The ayes have it unanimously.
09:28:52 Mr. Cohen, would you kindly take number 13?
09:28:55 >>HARRY COHEN: I move an ordinance being presented for
09:28:57 first reading consideration, an ordinance rezoning
09:29:02 property in the general vicinity of 2ndand 20 and
09:29:04 2522 North Dale Mabry highway in the city of Tampa,
09:29:07 Florida and more particularly described in section 1
09:29:10 from zoning district classifications PD planned
09:29:12 development to CI commercial intensive providing an
09:29:16 effective date.
09:29:16 >> Second.
09:29:20 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion by Mr. Cohen.
09:29:21 I have a second by Mr. Suarez.
09:29:22 Further discussion by council members?
09:29:23 All in favor of the motion please indicate by saying
09:29:26 Opposed nay.
09:29:27 The ayes have it unanimously.
09:29:28 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried unanimously.
09:29:30 Second reading and adoption will be on September 27 at
09:29:33 9:30 a.m.
09:29:36 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Item number 14.
09:29:37 >>HARRY COHEN: Council, I have to have been recuse
09:29:41 myself from voting on this matter as my father's
09:29:48 company is petitioner.
09:30:11 >>ABBYE FEELEY: Item 14 is Z-12' 36 located at 2616
09:30:16 and 2618 west Horatio street.
09:30:20 The request for you this evening is from RM-16 to
09:30:25 This would allow one additional unit to be -- this
09:30:31 would increase the density on the property from four
09:30:34 units to five units.
09:30:44 >> David Hay again with your Planning Commission staff
09:30:53 for one last time.
09:30:55 I have been sworn.
09:30:56 While we finish this evening back in the central Tampa
09:30:58 planning district of 2616 and 2618 west Horatio street
09:31:03 just north of the cross Tampa medical center office
09:31:09 which is on west DeLeon street and Memorial Hospital
09:31:13 A number of areas within the central planning district
09:31:15 are targeted for redevelopment with the further
09:31:18 intensification and additional intensity for a walkable
09:31:23 mixed use urban district.
09:31:25 Next up we have the future land use map.
09:31:28 You can see the subject site in the center of the map
09:31:32 We have -- let's see, we have residential 20 to the
09:31:41 north of the subject site including the subject site
09:31:45 The bright red area centered along DeLeon street is
09:31:48 community commercial 35.
09:31:51 The light pink is the community mixed use 35.
09:31:54 And then the blue is the public semi-public
09:32:01 representing main buildings at the Memorial Hospital
09:32:04 And the darker brown in the upper left represents
09:32:09 residential 35 reflective of the multi-use --
09:32:13 multifamily residential downtown site.
09:32:20 Finally we have the aerial.
09:32:23 See how the area ha has intensified over the past 30
09:32:26 The subject site is in the center of the map.
09:32:30 We have Memorial Hospital campus to the southwest, some
09:32:35 medical office uses along west DeLeon street, more
09:32:41 multifamily residential to the north of Horatio, and as
09:32:45 we move east along Azeele street we can see the garage
09:32:49 atop the green light market, and to the south of that,
09:32:53 the SoHo at Madison apartments.
09:32:56 Regarding the comprehensive plan, Planning Commission
09:32:58 staff found that the proposed rezoning would allow for
09:33:01 the redevelopment of the subject site in keeping with
09:33:03 the establishment of a family residential town home
09:33:07 development that is found within the surrounding area.
09:33:09 The proposed rezoning would allow for additional
09:33:11 private investment within the core of the City of Tampa
09:33:14 and the central Tampa planning district.
09:33:16 Therefore, based on all that, Planning Commission staff
09:33:19 finds the proposed rezoning consistent with the Tampa
09:33:22 comprehensive plan.
09:33:23 >>> The applicant is proposing to rezoning the property
09:33:33 from RM-16 to RM-18 to allow for the development of
09:33:37 five residential units.
09:33:39 The property is 111 by 110 for a total area of 12,210
09:33:45 square feet or about .28 acres.
09:33:49 Under the current zoning district the site would be
09:33:50 eligible for a total of four units, and by changing
09:33:54 from the RM-16 to the RM-18, they could have five.
09:33:58 It is located on the south side of west Horatio between
09:34:01 Habana Avenue and Audubon Avenue.
09:34:04 It's surrounded by single-family detached and single
09:34:09 family detached properties on the north, east and west,
09:34:13 and medical office with parking to the south.
09:34:17 This property is within two blocks of Memorial Hospital
09:34:21 as David mentioned.
09:34:23 He already showed you this aerial, the subject
09:34:25 property, Horatio, Habana, Audubon, DeLeon.
09:34:35 You will see that the PD for the medical office pretty
09:34:37 much spans the southern portion of the blocks with the
09:34:41 plotted lot, oriented toward Horatio, so there's just
09:34:49 OP 1, series of PDs, and PD, this is I-10.
09:34:58 So it's next door to the South Howard Oscawana Courier
09:35:05 City area.
09:35:07 There is a single structure currently on the property.
09:35:15 Here is vacant portion.
09:35:19 This is immediately to the west on Horatio.
09:35:22 >> And this is the north.
09:35:31 North also.
09:35:32 This is what we referred to as the single-family
09:35:35 S has two units that heir joined by center wall.
09:35:40 Here is another site.
09:35:42 This is continuing to move toward Audubon.
09:35:45 The 2001 story.
09:35:47 And this is at the corner north, northwest corner of
09:35:53 This is a continuation of these two unit styles that
09:35:57 continues up Audubon.
09:36:00 There are no waivers that can be issued with this
09:36:04 Therefore, all of the RM-18 standards will need to be
09:36:08 Those standards have been presented to you.
09:36:10 Front yard 25-foot, side yard 7-foot, and the rear yard
09:36:15 would be 15-foot and the maximum height of 35 feet.
09:36:19 I have provided a use table to show you what other uses
09:36:22 may be allowed for consideration under this zoning
09:36:25 Staff did find the request consistent and we are
09:36:27 available for any questions.
09:36:28 >> Any questions by council members?
09:36:38 >>JOHN GRANDOFF: Suite 3700 Bank of America Plaza, and
09:36:41 I have the privilege of representing ABC Horatio group
09:36:44 and family limited partnership.
09:36:47 I have nothing further to add to Ms. Feeley's thorough
09:36:52 report and Mr. Hay's report.
09:36:54 I want to simply quote from Mr. Hay's report that the
09:36:57 land use element policy wishes to promote housing and
09:37:00 densities that promote walking and transit use in
09:37:03 employment concentration.
09:37:04 This is exactly with commercial development following
09:37:08 what the land use plan has intended and what the zoning
09:37:11 has provided.
09:37:12 People can walk to the medical centers, walk to
09:37:16 This is an excellent rezoning capability here.
09:37:20 And I urge you approve it this evening.
09:37:23 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
09:37:23 Anyone in the audience care to come up and speak on
09:37:25 this petition?
09:37:27 I see no one.
09:37:30 Motion to close by Mr. Reddick.
09:37:32 Seconded by Mr. Suarez.
09:37:33 All in favor of the motion please indicate by saying
09:37:36 Opposed nay.
09:37:37 The ayes have it unanimously.
09:37:38 Mrs. Mulhern, would you kindly take number 14?
09:37:42 >>MARY MULHERN: I move an ordinance being presented
09:37:44 for first reading consideration, an ordinance rezoning
09:37:47 property in the general vicinity of 2616 and 2618 west
09:37:51 Horatio street in the city of Tampa, Florida and more
09:37:54 particularly described in section 1 from zoning
09:37:57 district classifications RM-16 residential multifamily
09:38:01 to RM-18 residential multifamily providing an effective
09:38:04 >> Second.
09:38:06 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Motion by Mrs. Mulhern, second by
09:38:08 Mr. Suarez.
09:38:09 Discussion by council members?
09:38:10 All in favor of the motion please indicate by saying
09:38:13 Opposed nay U.
09:38:15 The ayes have it unanimously.
09:38:16 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried unanimously.
09:38:18 Second reading and adoption will be on September 27 at
09:38:21 9:30 a.m.
09:38:22 >> Mr. Chairman, if I can have a correction for the
09:38:26 I believe you have --
09:38:31 >>THE CLERK: Correction.
09:38:32 Motion carried with Cohen abstaining.
09:38:34 Second reading and adoption will be September 27, 9:30
09:38:39 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you.
09:38:39 Information reports.
09:38:40 Left to right.
09:38:41 Do we do it again left to right?
09:38:43 Mrs. Montelione, information?
09:38:46 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Information, yes.
09:38:48 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Report, business?
09:38:50 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I would like to remind my
09:38:52 constituents than live in the north Tampa area that the
09:38:55 vision plan meeting this month will be held on the
09:38:59 20th, that is from -- and I'm looking here at the
09:39:05 time -- from 6:00 to 8:00, I believe it is, and that
09:39:09 will be at MOSI, and we are very happy to have our very
09:39:12 own Abbye Feeley presenting that night from the
09:39:17 perspective of our zoning division.
09:39:20 So I'm happy to have her.
09:39:21 And I'm also happy to announce that MOSI will be
09:39:25 contributing passes that will be available for those
09:39:32 lucky people who win the opportunity to get those MOSI
09:39:38 passes that night.
09:39:41 I'm sorry?
09:39:42 That's my PSA for the evening.
09:39:44 So anybody in university square, Copeland park and
09:39:48 Terrace Park, that live or work, please come to the
09:39:51 vision plan, because this is your vision, not ours, and
09:39:54 we won't know what that is unless you show up and tell
09:39:59 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
09:39:59 Mr. Cohen.
09:40:00 >>HARRY COHEN: I have no new business, Mr. Chairman.
09:40:03 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Ms. Mulhern?
09:40:04 >>MARY MULHERN: Nothing.
09:40:05 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Mr. Reddick?
09:40:07 >>FRANK REDDICK: I want to ask this council for a
09:40:10 resolution to be submit to Perry Harvey's family from
09:40:15 the council.
09:40:17 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Motion by Mr. Reddick, second by Mr.
09:40:19 Cohen, on a close vote within Mrs. Mulhern, and
09:40:25 >>FRANK REDDICK: And draft a resolution to be
09:40:27 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: All in favor of the motion?
09:40:29 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Question for council.
09:40:31 Do you want to have that brought back for a vote in
09:40:34 order to have a resolution?
09:40:37 >>FRANK REDDICK: Well, we can.
09:40:38 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I'm just asking whereby you want me
09:40:40 to bring it back on the 27th for council?
09:40:43 A commendation normally council is done by staff, but a
09:40:46 resolution normally has to be presented by council for
09:40:49 a vote.
09:40:51 However you wish to do it.
09:40:53 Red re well, the fun certainly next Friday so if you
09:40:56 are talking about the 27th that would be too late.
09:40:58 >> We have a workshop on the 20th.
09:41:02 >>FRANK REDDICK: We'll do it on the 20th.
09:41:03 >> A motion made, seconded.
09:41:05 All in favor of the motion?
09:41:09 Motion passes unanimously.
09:41:10 Anything else, sir?
09:41:11 >>FRANK REDDICK: No, sir.
09:41:14 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Ms. Capin?
09:41:16 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Yes, I have a couple of things here.
09:41:18 I would like to make a motion to have Hillsborough
09:41:21 County animal services director give a five-minute
09:41:24 presentation on Thursday, November 1st on the new
09:41:26 vision of animal services.
09:41:29 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion by Mrs. Capin.
09:41:31 I have a second by Mrs. Montelione.
09:41:34 For November 1st.
09:41:35 What time?
09:41:39 I'm sorry.
09:41:41 >>YVONNE CAPIN: 9 a.m.
09:41:42 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: All in favor of the motion?
09:41:46 All opposed?
09:41:46 The ayes have it unanimously.
09:41:48 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Thank you.
09:41:48 I would like to also make a motion to present a
09:41:50 commendation to the City of Tampa legal department, Jim
09:41:55 Shimberg and his staff, for their exceptional work
09:41:58 during the RNC.
09:41:59 The commendation to be presented on Thursday, September
09:42:03 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Motion by Mrs. Capin, seconded by
09:42:05 please Montelione for a commendation.
09:42:07 All in favor of that motion please indicate by saying
09:42:10 Opposed nay.
09:42:11 The ayes have it unanimously.
09:42:15 >> And last congratulations Tampa Bay Buccaneers Ronde
09:42:18 barber for being named the NFC player of the week for
09:42:22 his outstanding game last Sunday and for his 200th
09:42:26 consecutive start.
09:42:28 And nobody put me up to this except -- yes.
09:42:32 >> Second.
09:42:35 [ Laughter ]
09:42:40 Ever? Thank you very much.
09:42:41 All right.
09:42:42 We need to receive and file all the documents.
09:42:45 Oh, I'm sorry.
09:42:48 You didn't have anything, sir.
09:42:49 You promised me two months ago.
09:42:51 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I actually didn't but that's okay.
09:42:56 I just have to amend a motion I made last week
09:42:59 concerning Tampa Bay on the 27th instead of it
09:43:04 being at 10 a.m. to change it to it a.m.
09:43:08 >> I have a motion for amendment on that motion by Mr.
09:43:11 Second by Ms. Capin.
09:43:12 All in favor of that motion indicate bring saying aye.
09:43:14 Opposed nay.
09:43:15 The ayes have it unanimously.
09:43:17 At this time, my ears are changing.
09:43:22 I have a motion by Mr. Cohen to receive and file.
09:43:24 Seconded by Mr. Suarez.
09:43:28 All in favor of the motion please indicate by saying
09:43:31 Opposed nay.
09:43:31 The ayes have it unanimously.
09:43:33 Anything else?
09:43:34 Anyone in the audience care to address this council?
09:43:40 We are adjourned.
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