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Tampa City Council

Thursday, January 10, 2013

9:00 a.m.


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09:08:28 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: City council is in session.

09:08:30 Chair yields to Yolie Capin.

09:08:33 >>YVONNE CAPIN: It is my pleasure to introduce reverend

09:08:35 Vicki walker of the Hyde Park Methodist church, an ordained

09:08:40 deacon and served in outreach for the church.

09:08:45 She graduate from the University of Kentucky with a

09:08:47 bachelors in arts degree -- arts degree in communication.

09:08:52 Founding director of hope house, a transitional housing

09:08:55 program for women and children, Vicki currently serves as

09:08:59 the chair of the order of deacons of the Florida council.

09:09:07 Please welcome Vicki walker and remain standing for the

09:09:11 pledge of allegiance.


09:09:12 >>> O God, as we begin this new year, it is one full of

09:09:15 opportunities and possibilities.

09:09:17 There will be challenges to be sure but we believe that this

09:09:21 council is ready for the task of making our city a better

09:09:24 place to live and work for all of our citizens and guests.

09:09:28 Thank you for these members of our Tampa City Council who

09:09:31 have committed themselves and their families to public

09:09:34 service.

09:09:35 Thank you for Charlie, Mike, Mary, Yolie, Harry, Frank and

09:09:43 Lisa, whom you have called to lead our great city.

09:09:47 We will never know all the countless, thankless hours they

09:09:50 spend on our behalf to help our community.

09:09:54 Be with this council as they make decisions.

09:09:56 May they take time to really listen, to each other, to their

09:10:00 advisors, and to their citizens who come before them.

09:10:03 May they be willing to look with fresh eyes at creative ways

09:10:08 to solve our problems as they are expected to do more with

09:10:10 less and face concerns like economic growth and job

09:10:13 creation, transportation, safety, staffing, and community

09:10:19 services.

09:10:20 May they pause and breathe and thoughtfully consider the

09:10:25 best alternatives that advance our city.

09:10:29 May they not be distracted by the various factions who lobby

09:10:32 for their own personal interest and may they instead step

09:10:36 back and look at the big picture and remember that they




09:10:38 represent all of us from the 1% to the 99%.

09:10:42 May they be thoughtful, diligent and kind in their

09:10:46 deliberations.

09:10:47 May they take seriously their call to leadership.

09:10:50 Like Lincoln, may they have the moral courage and first

09:10:54 determination to succeed and make decisions that will impact

09:10:56 our city for generations to come.

09:11:00 God, thank you for this new year, this new beginning.

09:11:03 May our being here really make a difference.

09:11:06 Thank you for your spirit within and among us, and which

09:11:09 gives us strength to our task, in your holy name we pray.

09:11:14 Amen.

09:11:14 [ Pledge of Allegiance ]

09:11:17 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Roll call.

09:11:36 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Here.

09:11:39 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Present.

09:11:40 >>FRANK REDDICK: Here.

09:11:42 >>HARRY COHEN: Here.

09:11:44 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Here.

09:11:46 I need approval of the minute of the December 6th,

09:11:50 December 13th and December 20th.

09:11:52 >> So moved.

09:11:54 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion by Mr. Reddick, seconded

09:11:56 by Mr. Suarez on that item.

09:11:57 All in favor?




09:11:58 Opposed?

09:11:59 The ayes have it.

09:12:06 Ceremonial activities.

09:12:07 We have the 9:00 ceremony activities.

09:12:11 And I believe Mr. Reddick is going to be presenting to the

09:12:15 Big Brothers and Big Sisters at this time.

09:12:17 >>FRANK REDDICK: It's a pleasure to introduce Stephen Koch,

09:12:24 president and chief executive officer of the big brothers

09:12:27 big sisters of Tampa Bay, and also the director of

09:12:34 partnership development for Big Brothers and Big Sisters of

09:12:37 Tampa Bay.

09:12:38 Welcome.

09:12:39 >> Thank you very much, Councilman.

09:12:41 It's a pleasure to be here this morning.

09:12:44 January is national mentoring month and we thought it was a

09:12:48 great opportunity to come in and present ourselves to the

09:12:51 City Council and remind everyone of the great work being

09:12:54 done in Florida and in Hillsborough County overall for the

09:12:59 children of our county.

09:13:00 Big Brothers Big Sisters, sometimes I think it's kind of an

09:13:04 invisible service that not everyone sees all the time and we

09:13:07 kind of forget about the work being done, but every year we

09:13:10 have over 2,000 individuals working with 2,000 youth in our

09:13:15 community who need that male or female role model in their

09:13:20 lives to help them make a difference for the better.




09:13:23 We have some strategic things we are focusing on with all

09:13:29 the kids that we serve.

09:13:31 We want every child to achieve our academic success and we

09:13:34 want to keep kids out of juvenile justice system that

09:13:37 sometimes they are at risk for doing so.

09:13:41 We are very, very proud of our accomplishments that we have

09:13:43 achieved over the years here in Tampa and really throughout

09:13:46 the three counties that our agency now serves.

09:13:49 But many of the kids that come in to serve us are at risk

09:13:54 for academic failure.

09:13:57 Over 90% of these kids every year successfully maintain and

09:14:01 improve their grades so they can graduate to the next grade

09:14:03 level.

09:14:04 And over 99% of our kids that are in our program have no

09:14:07 involvement with the juvenile justice system on an annual

09:14:10 basis.

09:14:12 One of our other pillars that we are working on at the

09:14:16 strategic focus is really recruiting more and more people

09:14:19 from the minority communities, in our community, to help the

09:14:23 children.

09:14:24 Over 90% of the kids that we served over the last three

09:14:27 years have been African-American, Hispanic and mixed race,

09:14:33 and we are trying more and more to provide them mentors that

09:14:37 are of similar races, because we think that's important.

09:14:40 And we are giving that increased focus.




09:14:44 I'm also very proud that this coming week, we are hosting

09:14:48 here in Tampa a conference with the 38 largest big brother

09:14:53 big sister agencies in the nation as well as some national

09:14:56 organizations.

09:14:57 We are going to be focusing on best practices and so forth.

09:14:59 And we are going to be very, very proud to show off the City

09:15:02 of Tampa to them.

09:15:07 We also have just received this past fall a grant from the

09:15:10 children's board that focuses on neighborhoods here in

09:15:15 Tampa, West Tampa, East Tampa, and Sulphur Springs, and we

09:15:18 are really focused on recruiting over 200 new volunteers for

09:15:22 this initiative.

09:15:23 And Otis is going to be talking about this initiative a

09:15:25 little more in our news for volunteers, but at this time we

09:15:29 wanted to show you a short video that kind of demonstrates

09:15:33 our story and what we are accomplishing with one of the many

09:15:36 families served here in Tampa.

09:15:38 Thank you so much.

09:15:50 >> We were actually a month, 30 days being homeless.

09:16:00 No food, no drops, no transportation.

09:16:03 Zero.

09:16:03 And I really had no idea what I was going to do.

09:16:08 I have my oldest son who is disabled.

09:16:10 And I have these little beautiful kids.

09:16:15 Here is a woman who doesn't know me from Adam.




09:16:28 I'm renting a house to her and her husband.

09:16:32 Have you thought about big brothers and big sisters?

09:16:34 And she made the phone calls, she made the initiation, she

09:16:38 did that not just for me but for the kids.

09:16:40 That phone call changed their lives tremendously.

09:16:45 110%, they need this like you need life.

09:16:59 I was not aware of how important until I had to be a single

09:17:05 parent.

09:17:07 They need that support.

09:17:10 They need that encouragement.

09:17:11 They need that input.

09:17:15 They need the self-assurance.

09:17:18 They need all of these who have self-esteem, to give them

09:17:24 more self-esteem, what type of man they are going to be,

09:17:28 what type of father they are going to be.

09:17:30 They need some type of role model.

09:17:32 That's very crucial to the growth, very important.

09:17:53 >> I love 'em and will always be there no matter what.

09:18:02 >> It would be really difficult if I had not met him.

09:18:10 >> You name it, I'm not saying that they weren't directly

09:18:16 involved in that, but it was around them.

09:18:18 >> I don't think I would be the man I am right now if I

09:18:26 hadn't met him

09:18:31 >> I love you!

09:18:33 I love you!




09:18:36 Thank you.

09:18:37 You know, they gave my children something I thought they

09:18:49 would never get, and that is the positive influence and the

09:18:55 role model of some great men, some awesome men, some men

09:19:00 with pride, dignity, with tenacity, with compassion,

09:19:06 kindness.

09:19:09 I want to give this opportunity to those 700 kids.

09:19:22 I want you to give those 700 kids the opportunity that Chris

09:19:28 gave.

09:19:28 There shouldn't be 700 kids.

09:19:30 There should be no kids on their list.

09:19:34 >> Otis Anthony is director of project development for big

09:19:46 brothers and big sisters.

09:19:48 Mr. Chair, Mr. Reddick and other members of the council, let

09:19:50 me just thank you again for giving us this opportunity to

09:19:55 tell our story.

09:19:56 Let me tell you what the data has taught us.

09:19:58 And I'll be very brief.

09:20:00 Our data has taught us that some of the traditional methods,

09:20:03 you know, we can send kids to school, we get parent

09:20:08 involvement, we sometimes put kids in group therapy.

09:20:10 What we have found in our data is that when a child has the

09:20:15 opportunity to have that one on one relationship, when that

09:20:18 child is matched with a mentor and that child develops that

09:20:23 personal attachment, and they spend time having fun, they




09:20:27 ride a bicycle together, they go out for an ice cream cone,

09:20:34 share popcorn, someone to listen to them, someone to talk

09:20:36 to, that is what really makes the difference, that personal

09:20:40 attachment.

09:20:40 So January is in fact mentoring month, and it is a time that

09:20:45 we are calling on our community, we are calling on our

09:20:49 churches, our synagogues, our temples, we are calling on

09:20:53 private sector employees, county employees, and city

09:20:58 employees to get involved with big brothers and big sisters.

09:21:02 It is a wonderful way to make a real difference in a child's

09:21:06 life.

09:21:06 I also want to reiterate the fact that part of my role is to

09:21:10 ensure that the volunteers and the mentor, adult mentors

09:21:15 that we recruit, reflect diversity of the community.

09:21:18 So we are working very hard to recruit minority

09:21:21 professionals.

09:21:22 We would love to recruit more employees of the city, the

09:21:25 county, and the private sector.

09:21:27 Again I want to thank you for your time.

09:21:31 Mentoring a child makes a difference not only in the child's

09:21:34 life but is in fact a life changing experience.

09:21:37 Thank you again.

09:21:37 >>FRANK REDDICK: Thank you, Mr. Chair.

09:21:42 Mr. Anthony, I saw the 700 mentors are needed.

09:21:50 Of the 700, how many -- because I heard the president speak




09:21:54 about East Tampa and West Tampa and the recruitment area.

09:21:58 How many of those 700 are African-Americans?

09:22:00 And how many on the waiting list are African-Americans?

09:22:04 >> I don't have an exact breakdown of African-Americans or

09:22:07 Latinos, but really 90% in the last three years are children

09:22:12 of color.

09:22:13 So a lot of those kids are African-American kids.

09:22:16 >>FRANK REDDICK: So would you say that you are lacking in

09:22:22 mentors, particularly in the African-American community?

09:22:24 >> Particularly in the African-American community, in the

09:22:27 Latino community, particularly minorities, urban

09:22:30 professionals, we would love to get them involved.

09:22:32 >> Thank you.

09:22:33 >> And I want to thank the council again for your time and

09:22:42 attention.

09:22:43 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you for volunteering.

09:22:48 Mr. Suarez and Mr. Cohen.

09:22:49 >>HARRY COHEN: I just wanted to briefly tell a very short

09:22:54 story, very short.

09:22:57 A cousin of mine mentored a young man in the Detroit,

09:23:04 Michigan area, about 25 years ago, young African-American

09:23:08 man, and they were very close, and they spent about five

09:23:12 years together.

09:23:13 Then they lost touch for about 15 or so years.

09:23:17 And when they reconnected, the young man was serving as a




09:23:23 clerk to the United States Supreme Court justice.

09:23:27 And I think that really goes to show what a difference a

09:23:33 person can make in another person's life.

09:23:36 Because when they reconnected, the past relationship, you

09:23:41 know, really was shown to have made a huge difference.

09:23:50 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Anyone else?

09:23:51 Thank you very much.

09:23:51 We really appreciate you gentlemen being here today with

09:23:54 your fine organization.

09:23:55 We appreciate it very much.

09:23:57 We go to the approval of the agenda.

09:23:59 And the addendum.

09:24:05 >> Move approval.

09:24:06 >> I have a motion by Mr. Reddick, second by Mr. Suarez.

09:24:09 All in favor of the motion please indicate by saying aye.

09:24:11 Opposed nay.

09:24:12 The ayes have it unanimously.

09:24:13 At this time, I would like to ask the council for their

09:24:16 approval to have a special called meeting at 9:30 next week,

09:24:21 right after the previous session, and that is to discuss

09:24:23 real estate matters that have to go before different boards

09:24:26 and we have a timing problem.

09:24:27 That's why I'm asking for that called meeting.

09:24:29 >> So moved.

09:24:31 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion by Mr. Cohen, a second by




09:24:33 Mrs. Montelione.

09:24:34 All in favor of that motion?

09:24:35 Opposed?

09:24:36 The ayes have it unanimously.

09:24:38 Okay.

09:24:39 Thank you all very much.

09:24:40 We go to the public comment section for three minutes a

09:24:44 person for 30 minutes.

09:24:47 Oh, I'm sorry, I'm moving here so quick that I forgot one.

09:24:57 Mr. Cohen -- Mr. Suarez?

09:25:03 Go from left to right so often.

09:25:07 The other Mr. Cohen.

09:25:09 [ Laughter ]

09:25:11 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I know sometimes you forget because I'm over

09:25:18 on that side, it's hard for you to figure out where I like.

09:25:26 With you as a pitcher, it's difficult to be a catcher

09:25:28 anyway.

09:25:29 Thank you, chair.

09:25:30 I'm here to present our commendation to Timothy Shusta,

09:25:38 retiring from the foreign trade zone here in the City of

09:25:40 Tampa.

09:25:41 Foreign trade zones as you all know are a creature of the

09:25:45 doesn't of commerce, nonprofit organizations.

09:25:47 There are 20 in the State of Florida.

09:25:48 And we have one of the most important ones here, foreign




09:25:51 trade zones, particularly help in terms of the best way to

09:25:55 start is sort of duty-free area for foreign trade and

09:25:59 foreign goods that come into this country.

09:26:02 I'm going to read you a little about Timothy's

09:26:05 accomplishments.

09:26:05 I know we have John Thornton from the port that's going to

09:26:09 talk a little bit about Timothy's accomplishments, too.

09:26:12 But let me read from our commendation.

09:26:14 The City of Tampa established foreign trade zone number 79

09:26:17 in 1982, and it's used as a progressive economic tool.

09:26:23 It's managed by a Board of Directors, made up of

09:26:26 representatives from City of Tampa, Hillsborough County,

09:26:28 Tampa Port Authority, Hillsborough County Aviation Authority

09:26:30 and the Tampa Hillsborough economic Development Corporation.

09:26:33 For the past 12 years, during a period of growth and

09:26:36 expansion of foreign trade zone number 79 and concurrently a

09:26:40 time of solid performance, Timothy, you served diligently

09:26:45 and effectively as both the chairman of the board and

09:26:47 president of the foreign trade zone board, Inc., exhibiting

09:26:50 and modeling a strong spirit of volunteer service to your

09:26:54 community.

09:26:54 During your tenure, our foreign trade zone has become

09:26:57 strongly positioned for future growth resulting from the

09:27:01 reorganization of foreign trade zones due to the soon to be

09:27:04 approved expanded service area and flexibility in activating




09:27:08 new foreign trade zone sites.

09:27:09 So we, all of us here, members of City Council, we want to

09:27:13 extend our sincere appreciation to you for the work you have

09:27:17 done in the time you have been at the foreign trade zone.

09:27:20 Thank you very much.

09:27:22 [ Applause ]

09:27:29 >> Thank you very much.

09:27:31 Thank you, members of the council.

09:27:32 It's an honor to be here on behalf of the Tampa foreign

09:27:35 trade zone board, and Jeanette Fenton from the city, and the

09:27:40 Tampa Hillsborough EDC, was mentioned the Aviation

09:27:43 Authority, the county, the city and EDC all work together

09:27:46 for this foreign trade zone board.

09:27:48 And on behalf of the board we would like to express our deep

09:27:51 appreciation to Tim Shusta for history devotion to our

09:27:55 community as he served as president and chairman of the

09:27:58 zone.

09:27:59 He gave freely of his time, devotion to the zone board and

09:28:03 zone activity as was noted was significantly enhanced during

09:28:06 the 12 years under his leadership.

09:28:09 I also had the pleasure of working closely with Tim and the

09:28:13 port community where he's deeply involved.

09:28:15 He brings the same spirit of public service to the port

09:28:17 community endeavor that he has to the Tampa foreign trade

09:28:21 zone board, real true public servant, and we are grateful




09:28:25 for what he means to our community and his dedication.

09:28:28 I would also like to thank his law firm for its support of

09:28:31 Tim as he serves the community and especially with the Tampa

09:28:35 foreign trade board.

09:28:37 So his wonderful wife Karen is here today as well.

09:28:42 Tim, we appreciate you.

09:28:43 And thank you to the members of council for recognizing

09:28:46 Tim's service.

09:28:48 [ Applause ]

09:28:49 >> Thank you very much for this recognition.

09:28:56 This is a great honor to be recognized by the City Council,

09:28:59 and it's been an honor to serve on the foreign trade zone

09:29:03 board.

09:29:04 I would be remiss if I didn't thank John Thornton is the one

09:29:08 who invited me to serve, although I have to admit when he

09:29:12 got me to that first board meeting and I instantly became

09:29:15 Chamber of Commerce of the -- chairman of the board I was a

09:29:17 little surprised.

09:29:18 But it's been very fulfilling to work with the City of

09:29:21 Tampa, Hillsborough County, the Aviation Authority, the Port

09:29:24 Authority and the chamber, EDC, and especially getting

09:29:31 citizens to invest in the community is to volunteer and

09:29:34 serve the community.

09:29:35 Again, thank you very much.

09:29:36 [ Applause ]




09:29:50 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Ms. Capin?

09:29:51 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I just want to -- this is great this morning

09:29:53 that we are honoring this gentleman, and the morning that

09:29:58 the news breaks that the port has attracted the second

09:30:03 largest shipping container company, and to our parts.

09:30:07 It is our economic engine, and we are very proud of it.

09:30:12 Thank you so much.

09:30:12 >> Thank you.

09:30:15 We go to the, I believe, now the public comments for 30

09:30:19 minutes, three minutes a person, with items on the agenda

09:30:22 first.

09:30:23 Any item that's on the agenda that you would like to discuss

09:30:25 first, and then time will be allotted for the others.

09:30:29 Let's go.

09:30:30 >> I'm ed, Ed Tillou, and I will be speaking to items on the

09:30:42 agenda.

09:30:45 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Which items?

09:30:46 That's another thing.

09:30:47 Please when you come up, express to the council the item

09:30:50 number you are going to speak on.

09:30:51 >> Well, it's almost every item on the agenda, but just

09:30:54 going through, going through the agenda, it's 5, 7, 8, 16,

09:31:04 42 through 46.

09:31:06 This is in the context of something that came out recently.

09:31:14 I had hoped -- this movie red dog that came out, you should




09:31:20 all see, because it brings attention to something I was

09:31:23 aware of as an engineer but I didn't realize the full impact

09:31:27 of that.

09:31:27 That's why I'm bringing these things to your attention.

09:31:31 "red dawn."

09:31:34 I -- this is really a subset of the tea party.

09:31:41 Military knows about this.

09:31:43 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'm sorry, I am going to have to how old.

09:31:44 Hold the time.

09:31:45 You are going to have to speak.

09:31:46 5 is about an exchange.

09:31:47 >> Okay.

09:31:51 Telephones go out.

09:31:53 Items 7 and 8.

09:31:54 Ambulances.

09:31:54 Ambulances go out.

09:31:56 As all vehicles go out.

09:31:58 It would be nice if Hart had the contingencies.

09:32:03 You need to have a workshop, a workshop involving -- I think

09:32:07 you have some sort of office of environment and emergency

09:32:12 protection and things like that to bring people from the

09:32:15 military in on this, because you are not going to have

09:32:19 ambulances, you are not going to have telephones, you are

09:32:21 not going to have cars.

09:32:22 The cars are going to be -- you are just not going to be




09:32:26 able to do anything about it.

09:32:28 And what brings this to attention is this, you are talking

09:32:38 like Iranian --

09:32:41 >> Where is Star Wars weapons on this agenda, sir?

09:32:44 >> Okay, we are talking something that's very likely to

09:32:46 happen in the next ten years probably.

09:32:49 That's how long groups like this have to get together to see

09:32:54 things like, for instance, your ambulances continue to run.

09:32:59 Maybe cars.

09:33:00 People won't have cars anymore.

09:33:02 People have to think what are they going to do without cars?

09:33:05 But maybe try to keep the buses running, a few things like

09:33:08 that.

09:33:08 I worked on wastewater treatment plants.

09:33:11 I didn't see much being done about this.

09:33:13 I just assumed this was built into the specifications we

09:33:16 want to enforce.

09:33:17 But the thing, weight water treatment, you can build in your

09:33:24 yard.

09:33:25 Water supply is much more important and water supply is one

09:33:28 of the issues, I think that was 46.

09:33:31 No, that was weight water treatment plants.

09:33:33 But, anyway, I have these things for you to go through,

09:33:35 because it's very interesting to look at the responses of

09:33:41 Russia and Iran, and Russia is very critical of what north




09:33:48 Korea is doing on that.

09:33:49 >> When I see Putin, I'll get with him.

09:33:57 [ Laughter ]

09:33:57 Next, please.

09:33:58 Next, please.

09:34:08 Are these items on the agenda?

09:34:16 Excuse me, is that item on the agenda?

09:34:21 Let me get these.

09:34:22 I'll get you.

09:34:22 I just want to make sure I did the right thing in the

09:34:25 beginning and I'll get to the item.

09:34:26 Which item?

09:34:27 >> Good morning, distinguished Chairman Miranda, and the

09:34:32 rest of the City Council members.

09:34:33 Thank you.

09:34:34 Pastor Stanley, chairman of the East Tampa partnership,

09:34:38 standing before you in reference to item 65, 66 and 67.

09:34:43 As you all know, we have an epidemic going on, not only in

09:34:47 East Tampa but throughout the city when it comes to senior

09:34:50 rehabbing of our senior homes which many are living in

09:34:56 deplorable conditions.

09:34:57 When you go out to some of these homes and you look at the

09:34:59 structure, rain is coming into the homes, mold is building

09:35:04 up, we have created a lot of different initiative issues as

09:35:07 far as public safety, health and so forth and so on.




09:35:10 As you will know, we have limited funding in the East Tampa

09:35:16 partnership to address that initiative.

09:35:18 What we have recently done is taken $475,000 and moved it

09:35:24 from foreclosure, acquisition and resale, back to an initial

09:35:30 program that's been in place before.

09:35:33 We could actually try to provide some service to our

09:35:36 residents right now.

09:35:38 We have been working with Kathy Castor and representative

09:35:45 reed and many partners sitting around the table figuring out

09:35:48 how we can take our dollars that are limited and work to the

09:35:51 best of our ability as I am looking at this agenda, we have

09:35:59 spoken with Mr. Snelling and Mr. Stuart has come out to our

09:36:02 meeting.

09:36:03 We have talked to him about how we can figure out ways to

09:36:05 find more funding to help with this initiative.

09:36:10 From my understanding, there has been little leeway in

09:36:15 finding other funding.

09:36:17 In relationship to the $20,000 cap, we agree with that.

09:36:21 One of the things that we, too, agree with is there needs to

09:36:25 be a centralized and streamlined effort as far as how these

09:36:30 residents are coming and seeking different help, because we

09:36:32 have many agencies out there, nonprofits that have different

09:36:38 lists, and we have asked the housing department to

09:36:40 streamline those lists, and to provide East Tampa

09:36:43 partnership with one compiled list.




09:36:46 So, one, we can look at the number of residents that are

09:36:49 affected by these problems in the East Tampa community.

09:36:52 So I would hope that Mr. Snelling comes forth today that he

09:36:56 would also provide us with that.

09:36:59 We request that the City Council, as we go forward in the

09:37:04 near future, when it comes to funding of the rehab

09:37:07 initiative in East Tampa and throughout the city, that we

09:37:10 also take in mind those partners that have been doing the

09:37:13 services for many, many years.

09:37:15 A lot of them have been locked out of the process this year

09:37:20 for various reasons, but I hope as we move forward that we

09:37:22 will be able to find some mind-set to take care of the

09:37:27 elderly of our community because one day we are going to get

09:37:30 old as well.

09:37:31 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much, sir.

09:37:33 Next, please.

09:37:36 >> I'm speaking to item 41.

09:37:38 I'm reverend Bernice Powell Jackson, co-president of Hope,

09:37:42 the Hillsborough Organization for Progress and Equality, and

09:37:45 pastor of First United Church of Tampa.

09:37:48 We are here once again representing the 5,000 members of our

09:37:52 17 congregations.

09:37:54 We are pleased that the Tampa City Council is moving forward

09:37:56 on our recommendation for addressing the discrimination

09:38:01 faced B by our citizens with past criminal records who are




09:38:05 seeking jobs in Tampa.

09:38:06 We look forward to your approval of the Tampa ordinance

09:38:09 criminal history screening processes which is before you

09:38:12 today.

09:38:13 Removing the question about a criminal record from your

09:38:16 initial application will help level the playing field for

09:38:19 thousands of qualified people who have the skills needed for

09:38:23 a job.

09:38:25 Yet, at the same time, we want to encourage you to amend the

09:38:27 ordinance you approve today to include businesses that have

09:38:32 contacts with the city in order to reduce discrimination and

09:38:35 maximize the number of job opportunities for our citizens.

09:38:39 We know that tens of thousands of people in our community

09:38:42 have past criminal records.

09:38:44 Some of them for many years ago.

09:38:47 These individuals, their families and our communities need

09:38:50 for them to find employment, including businesses that have

09:38:55 contacted the city, and the ordinance will give more

09:38:58 opportunities for more jobs.

09:39:00 We know that you will be discussing this at your January

09:39:02 24th council meeting when you look at the eleven cities

09:39:06 already -- that already have ordinances which cover

09:39:10 businesses that contract with them.

09:39:12 Eleven cities that have done this successfully already.

09:39:15 We trust you will show the leadership needed to work out the




09:39:18 details needed to make this a reality in Tampa, too.

09:39:23 We believe that this ordinance will improve public safety

09:39:26 and economic development as well as assist families in our

09:39:30 community.

09:39:31 It will even help businesses to find the very best workers

09:39:34 by opening up a new pool of perspective workers for people

09:39:40 who want to work but maybe have been eliminated by

09:39:42 discriminatory screening process.

09:39:44 So this ordinance with the amendment to include businesses

09:39:49 is both good public policy and it is doing what is right.

09:39:53 We look forward to further conversation on expansion of this

09:39:56 ordinance so it will have an even greater impact on

09:40:00 improving our community.

09:40:01 Thank you very much.

09:40:02 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.

09:40:03 Next, please.

09:40:04 >> Pastor Tom Atchison speaking on agenda 41.

09:40:11 Pastor of new life church and new beginnings of Tampa, life

09:40:15 recovery program, also a member of hope.

09:40:17 I want to thank you all for bringing us this far.

09:40:20 This is only the beginning, a start on what we need to do,

09:40:25 but the reality of it exists.

09:40:27 With an emergency shelter, and people that we bring off the

09:40:31 street, if we don't get 'em jobs, we don't get them their

09:40:36 pride back in the work that they do, really, what we do




09:40:39 doesn't mean a whole lot.

09:40:42 Feeding the homeless, getting them shelter, those things are

09:40:45 all wonderful and nice, but again it's about jobs, it's

09:40:48 about getting their life back, getting their family back,

09:40:51 getting them caught up on child support, and these are big

09:40:57 things they have to take care of.

09:40:59 This amendment will help that.

09:41:01 It's not going to solve it.

09:41:03 It's just putting another little dent in it.

09:41:05 Because we have so many people in our programs that are so

09:41:08 skilled.

09:41:09 The best carpenters, the best tradesmen, electricians, and

09:41:14 people that have tremendous skills, yet they are out there,

09:41:18 a lot of them out there on the street with a sign, begging

09:41:23 money because they can't get a job because of the criminal

09:41:26 history.

09:41:26 And so we ask you to not only take care of this today, but

09:41:30 let continue on, getting where this amendment ends up being

09:41:36 able to help others in other occupations, and it sends a

09:41:40 message to the City of Tampa that we do care about the

09:41:42 homeless, not just to clothe them, not just to feed them,

09:41:46 not just to shelter them but to help them get their life

09:41:49 back.

09:41:49 I think this is sending that message today, even though it's

09:41:51 not accomplishing everything we wanted to accomplish, it's




09:41:54 at least sending the message that Tampa cares.

09:41:56 Thank you.

09:41:58 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.

09:41:58 Next, please.

09:41:59 >> My name is Michael Shane Grey, 1402 east Cheracruz, also

09:42:10 a member and life-long resident there of the ministry as

09:42:13 well as the different programs that do serve the community

09:42:16 and have for years are part of my life and always will be.

09:42:21 I would just like to say that I think thank you for giving

09:42:26 your time, every council member would have to agree that

09:42:28 there have been many people, and with little effort could

09:42:32 decide how they have done horrible things up to constituting

09:42:36 felony behavior or perhaps even worse that have gone on to

09:42:39 redeem themselves in the eyes of man and God as you

09:42:42 recognize him and do wondrous things for people, and when

09:42:45 people do come into a program such as new beginnings and

09:42:48 others and do trite to straighten their lives out for

09:42:51 themselves and their families and trite to get a job to

09:42:54 change their life, and they are denied just the very basic

09:42:58 possibility to sit down and discuss it even, it's a very

09:43:01 frustrating thing.

09:43:02 And if all you have to fall back on is the behavior that got

09:43:05 you into that situation, then you could profit from it

09:43:09 quickly, and unfortunately it does hurt the community.

09:43:12 And we are all leaders, even if we are criminals or if we




09:43:15 are very educated and respectful members of society.

09:43:18 Somebody is watching us and following us.

09:43:19 And so I think it's very dangerous to turn them back away,

09:43:24 and as they go back to that life without a chance to redeem

09:43:27 themselves, somebody else could follow them.

09:43:29 And it adjusts creates a cycle that's continuous, that's

09:43:31 just horrific.

09:43:33 I think that everybody deserves a chance to be a productive

09:43:36 member of society.

09:43:37 And I think this item 41 is very important.

09:43:42 And I just respectfully ask you guys to be, for lack of

09:43:48 better words, to consider it seriously, because it

09:43:52 definitely has a powerful affect on our community, our

09:43:58 families, all of ours.

09:44:00 I thank you for your time.

09:44:01 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.

09:44:02 Next, please.

09:44:03 >> My name is Clay Daniels.

09:44:07 Good morning, Mr. Chairman, members of the City Council.

09:44:10 I live at 3708 north bay, Tampa, Florida, here to talk about

09:44:15 item 60.

09:44:16 We have a problem with loud music.

09:44:18 Supreme Court, Tallahassee, Florida Supreme Court, has made

09:44:22 a decision on the noise.

09:44:23 The problem with that is I'm asking each member of City




09:44:26 Council to contact our senator, representative, to ask them

09:44:30 to pass a tougher law to give the police department more

09:44:32 power to write tickets.

09:44:34 We need to go back to the old law because they found a

09:44:39 loophole, the lawyer over in St. Pete, he found a loophole

09:44:43 where it says freedom of speech for politicians and if we

09:44:49 change that we can get started, to do something about this

09:44:52 loud music.

09:44:53 This music is bad.

09:44:54 It's affecting my lifestyle, everybody's lifestyle, it's out

09:44:57 of control.

09:44:58 I have been talking about this for the last 12 years.

09:45:00 And I won't stop until it's over with because we have got to

09:45:05 fight.

09:45:05 It is a serious problem.

09:45:06 Some people are going to take it serious because it's more

09:45:09 of a problem in our neighborhood.

09:45:11 My whole house rattles, the windows shake, we sleep with

09:45:16 earplugs on at night.

09:45:18 Sometimes we have problems with preaching at the church,

09:45:20 have to go outside, turn the music down.

09:45:23 The man at 40th Street has to tell them turn the music down

09:45:29 so he can run his business.

09:45:31 It just a problem.

09:45:32 And I know you all are going to talk about this today about




09:45:36 the loud music, but we need to get back with Tallahassee and

09:45:39 talk with our politicians and ask them to help us with this

09:45:42 law.

09:45:44 They are waiting on the Supreme Court to see what they were

09:45:47 going to do.

09:45:48 It was a bill that would give them a ticket that would have

09:45:51 been very effective, put points on their license to loud

09:45:54 music.

09:45:55 They get three points.

09:45:57 You get five, you are suspended for a year and your car

09:46:01 insurance goes up.

09:46:02 We have to find a way to control this noise problem.

09:46:04 It's out of control.

09:46:05 And I really need you all help.

09:46:08 And if we don't do anything about this problem it's going

09:46:10 get worse like the other problem that we got with the crack

09:46:12 cocaine problem and all the guns floating around in town,

09:46:16 people getting shot.

09:46:17 We need to deal with these problems.

09:46:19 We can no longer look the other way and not take these

09:46:22 problems serious in our society because it won't get any

09:46:24 better.

09:46:25 Thank you very much.

09:46:26 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.

09:46:26 Next, please.




09:46:27 >> Good morning.

09:46:29 My name is Diane harden, 2912 north 26th street.

09:46:34 I would just like to say thank you very much for the item

09:46:37 65, for the attention that you all are paying to it.

09:46:41 We greatly appreciate it out in the community.

09:46:42 I don't know what Mr. Snelling's report will be this

09:46:45 morning.

09:46:46 However, I do have a meeting scheduled to go in and speak

09:46:49 with Mr. Jack Slater and talk a little bit about the housing

09:46:53 program and what we still may be able to do out in the

09:46:56 community.

09:46:56 But one thing that I wanted to bring to you all's attention

09:46:59 is the fact that we have several houses sitting around the

09:47:02 city that I know for a fact that would work in our housing

09:47:06 program back in '99 and 2000 when we first started the

09:47:10 original 500 houses -- well, 100 houses for a five-year

09:47:14 program back in '99.

09:47:16 So what I am going to do, not me personally, but our

09:47:20 organization, we are literally taking pictures of all of the

09:47:22 houses that are sitting vacant currently, that we have put

09:47:28 dollars in, and at this point I'm not certain who still owns

09:47:31 them or if they are foreclosed on, but they are sitting

09:47:34 vacant.

09:47:35 What I would like to do is take those houses and have them

09:47:38 research and if they have finished the foreclosure process,




09:47:44 to me, I think it's critical that we take housing that we

09:47:48 currently have money sitting in, and we go back, if we have

09:47:51 to do a purchase rehab, we try to purchase those houses back

09:47:54 from the various banks or the individual who moves out of

09:47:59 them with short sales and take that housing stock and put it

09:48:02 back in the market.

09:48:03 On 29th, there are three house between Lake Avenue and

09:48:08 21st, over on 15th there's one that I literally sold

09:48:12 myself to a young man, and it's been sitting vacant for four

09:48:16 years.

09:48:17 So I really think it's critical that we take a look at any

09:48:20 housing stock that we have dollars in.

09:48:22 And when I say we, I'm talking about us in the City of

09:48:25 Tampa, because we are partnering with the city.

09:48:27 And that's important that we should go back and try to get

09:48:30 some of those houses.

09:48:32 Of course they can sell it back to us at appraised value and

09:48:39 really they could donate it back and still get a tax

09:48:42 writeoff of the appraised value of that property.

09:48:45 So that's the election we are going to try to take.

09:48:48 I'll have to wait to hear what he's saying, but we are going

09:48:51 to pursue.

09:48:52 That I do have a meeting coming up next week to talk about

09:48:55 it.

09:48:55 So thank you all very much for what you are doing and help




09:48:58 us locate funding, to help the families that cannot help

09:49:01 themselves.

09:49:01 Again thank you very much.

09:49:03 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you.

09:49:03 Ms. Montelione.

09:49:04 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I was reviewing the testimony, and this

09:49:09 dates back to October 25th when the item first came up

09:49:12 and in looking at that, you had mentioned about the

09:49:18 homeowner's tax cut that came out later in the transcript

09:49:23 that that was something that had sunsetted, in East Tampa,

09:49:29 and looking at this, it says that because there were no fund

09:49:32 available through the enterprise zone.

09:49:34 So in addition to meeting with Mr. Slater, I would like to

09:49:39 maybe sit with you, and Mr. Slater, and also members of the

09:49:43 enterprise zone and our economic development division to

09:49:45 talk about the housing tax credit, because that would help a

09:49:51 lot in the way of having individuals who work in the

09:49:56 community, live in the community, and put those employed

09:50:01 individuals into the homes maybe that you are talking about.

09:50:04 So I think that that is something that maybe we need to look

09:50:08 at and revisit, and it's just an additional tool that we may

09:50:14 be able to use.

09:50:15 >> Okay.

09:50:17 Thank you very much.

09:50:18 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Mr. Reddick?




09:50:21 >>FRANK REDDICK: Ms. Hart, since you will not be here when

09:50:25 Mr. Snelling gives his presentation, he's going to be making

09:50:29 some recommendations that he's going to present to us

09:50:30 today --

09:50:31 >> He's going to make it this morning?

09:50:33 >>FRANK REDDICK: He's going make it under staff reports.

09:50:35 We already received the recommendations.

09:50:36 But if you are not able to be here, you can ask for a copy

09:50:41 of his recommendation.

09:50:42 >> I'm going to try to stay.

09:50:44 My first appointment is at 11:00.

09:50:46 >>FRANK REDDICK: All right.

09:50:47 Well, he might be here at 12:30.

09:50:50 [ Laughter ]

09:51:02 >> Good morning.

09:51:18 I'm reverend Willie Dixon, I'm 81 year resident of the City

09:51:28 of Tampa, State of Florida, and the United States.

09:51:31 And I do bring you greetings and wish you a happy new year,

09:51:35 and I know you have a job that Solomon needs to have.

09:51:39 But yesterday as I was leaving to go to the prison to do my

09:51:47 Bible class I got a call from a lady that has a problem with

09:51:50 her house, and she says that she cannot be here, and she

09:51:54 wanted to know could someone come as a proxy.

09:51:58 And I'm here on behalf of this 90-year-old lady and the 125

09:52:04 people that we were trying to serve, that are homeowners and




09:52:09 need their homes repaired.

09:52:13 I have before me a list that you will see later, and I want

09:52:18 to ask a question.

09:52:21 I have noted through the years that this code 33610 was used

09:52:28 to get funding for Hillsborough County, the City of Tampa,

09:52:35 but as I look at this list of 33610, there are approximately

09:52:46 400 people waiting on the list.

09:52:50 I would like to know -- you are looking at me like you don't

09:52:54 know where I am going, but the key is this.

09:52:57 I want to know if these fundings are coming into this

09:53:01 neighborhood, because of statistics, because of

09:53:04 unemployment, because of the crime, because of the vacant

09:53:07 houses, how much of this money that's coming into the

09:53:11 community is being spent on those people?

09:53:14 Can we use the people in order to get money into the city

09:53:19 budget?

09:53:20 But how much is actually going out to help these people?

09:53:22 Because I have people that's calling me crying saying that

09:53:25 it's raining in their homes, because they have been

09:53:32 taxpayers but yet no one seems to want to help them, and

09:53:37 they are in their 60s and 70s.

09:53:39 What can you do to help these people?

09:53:40 Now I'm here today, I told the man I was undecided whether I

09:53:48 was going to washed to the inauguration but I would like to

09:53:52 go and represent the people who cannot speak for themselves.




09:53:54 And we have approximately 2 million that are homeless, and

09:54:05 would like to take a message and take a good report from the

09:54:08 City of Tampa.

09:54:08 I thank you.

09:54:09 >> Thank you.

09:54:12 Next, please.

09:54:12 >> Any questions?

09:54:14 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: That's my job.

09:54:15 [ Laughter ]

09:54:17 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: If we had Putin and Obama in the same

09:54:25 room today, we'll be all right.

09:54:28 [ Laughter ]

09:54:28 >> With all due respect, I would like to share my background

09:54:32 in the music business, 40 years in the music business.

09:54:35 So briefly, bear with me.

09:54:39 1966, I was a major record distributor in Hialeah, Florida,

09:54:47 I was the supervisor of two record shops.

09:54:50 I was in Florida those days.

09:54:54 Said go take care of this kid.

09:54:59 Got booted off the stage.

09:55:02 He talked about it, as you remember, Tampa for 20 years,

09:55:09 1969 --

09:55:11 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Excuse me, I am going need your name for

09:55:13 the record.

09:55:13 >> Oh, I'm sorry.




09:55:14 >> I know you are not Neil Diamond.

09:55:16 >> Excuse me.

09:55:18 I'm not Neil Diamond.

09:55:19 John Centinaro 4704 west union.

09:55:24 Excuse me.

09:55:27 1969, my company signed him in Nashville. I took him on the

09:55:32 road, toured with Frankie Valley.

09:55:40 I worked with Buddy Lee Attraction.

09:55:42 We had some of the biggest names in country music, Tanya

09:55:46 Tucker, Rosemary Clooney, Frank Sinatra, Jr.

09:55:52 We had them all.

09:55:54 I would fly back and forth.

09:55:56 All right.

09:55:56 Now, the thing about Nashville, it's a way of life.

09:56:05 You pick an agent, people need dates.

09:56:09 I know the human person, not the image.

09:56:11 I need a date, I need some bookings, this and that.

09:56:17 That's not Dolly Parton.

09:56:18 The way she's made up, that's Dolly Parton.

09:56:22 1978, came back to Nashville -- came back to Tampa.

09:56:26 I know I'm talking fast.

09:56:27 I know the song the year of the Buccaneers.

09:56:31 The first song about Tampa, flying to Tampa.

09:56:40 When they say Tampa is a one horse town, they don't know

09:56:43 about Tampa.




09:56:43 I say all right, fine.

09:56:46 1991, Mohammed Ali, wrote a song about Mohammed Ali, king of

09:56:52 the ring.

09:57:00 Heck of a song.

09:57:02 (Bell sounds)

09:57:05 Oh, three minutes?

09:57:06 Oh, my goodness.

09:57:08 Briefly, all right.

09:57:10 One more.

09:57:17 Got a commendation.

09:57:18 All worldwide.

09:57:22 1997, Melanie Rose sang for the Tampa City Council City

09:57:26 Council, my hometown.

09:57:29 Tampa is no one-horse town.

09:57:32 1997, I wrote -- all right.

09:57:34 (Bell sounds)

09:57:35 Now we are talking about this.

09:57:36 Is Tampa ready for a song?

09:57:39 Tampa Bay?

09:57:39 In my view, of course.

09:57:43 I know Tampa Bay.

09:57:44 That's all I have to say.

09:57:45 Five minutes with you.

09:57:45 Let me share --

09:57:47 >> I appreciate it very much.




09:57:49 >> Thank you very much for peering.

09:57:56 Maybe you can discuss it with each council member

09:57:57 individually.

09:57:58 Okay.

09:57:58 We go to requests for public.

09:58:10 Anyone in the audience for something that was passed in the

09:58:14 past?

09:58:14 I see no one.

09:58:15 Public Safety Committee, Mr. Frank Reddick.

09:58:17 >>FRANK REDDICK: Move items 2 through 13.

09:58:20 >> Second.

09:58:20 >> I have a motion by Mr. Reddick.

09:58:22 I have a second by Mr. Cohen.

09:58:25 All in favor of the motion?

09:58:27 Opposed?

09:58:27 The ayes have it unanimously.

09:58:29 Parks, Recreation, Culture Committee chair, Mary Mulhern.

09:58:33 >> Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

09:58:36 I move item 14.

09:58:37 >> Second.

09:58:38 >> I have a motion by Mrs. Mulhern, a second by Mr. Suarez.

09:58:40 All in favor of the motion please indicate by saying aye.

09:58:43 Opposed nay.

09:58:44 The ayes have it unanimously.

09:58:45 Public Works Committee chair, Mr. Mike Suarez.




09:58:47 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I move items 15 through 23.

09:58:51 >> Second.

09:58:53 >> I have a motion by Mr. Suarez, a second by Mr. Cohen.

09:58:57 All in favor of that motion please indicate by saying aye.

09:59:00 Opposed nay.

09:59:02 The ayes have it unanimously.

09:59:03 Finance Committee chair, Mr. Harry Cohen.

09:59:05 >>HARRY COHEN: I move items 24, 25 and 26.

09:59:10 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion by Mr. Cohen, a second by

09:59:12 Mrs. Mulhern.

09:59:13 All in favor of that motion please indicate by saying aye.

09:59:15 Opposed nay.

09:59:16 The ayes have it unanimously.

09:59:18 Building, Zoning and Preservation Committee chair Ms. Lisa

09:59:22 Montelione.

09:59:24 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I move 28 through 32 and 34 and 35.

09:59:29 Item number 33 was pulled by the administration.

09:59:31 >> Second.

09:59:36 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: All right.

09:59:36 Motion by Ms. Montelione, second by Mr. Cohen.

09:59:39 All in favor of that motion?

09:59:41 Opposed?

09:59:42 The ayes have it unanimously.

09:59:44 Transportation committee chair, Ms. Yvonne Yolie Capin.

09:59:49 >> I move 36 through 38.




09:59:51 >> Second.

09:59:51 >> I have a motion by Ms. Capin, second by Mr. Cohen.

09:59:54 All in favor of that motion?

09:59:57 Opposed?

09:59:59 The ayes have it unanimously.

10:00:01 >>LISA MONTELIONE: May I make a comment?

10:00:03 Thank you, Ms. Capin, for moving all the New Tampa items.

10:00:12 They are all projects in New Tampa.

10:00:13 Thank you very much.

10:00:15 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: We go to the 9:30 hearings, number 39 and

10:00:23 40, please.

10:00:24 Motion by Mrs. Mulhern, second by Mrs. Montelione.

10:00:27 All in favor of the motion?

10:00:27 The ayes have it unanimously.

10:00:30 Item 39 and 40 are now open.

10:00:33 These are second public hearings.

10:00:36 Yes, ma'am.

10:00:37 >> Ginster, and the director and myself are here to answer

10:00:48 any questions you have about the ordinance.

10:00:51 >> Any questions by council members?

10:00:53 Anyone in the audience care to speak on item nut three nine,

10:00:57 number 39?

10:00:57 Anyone in the audience on item 39?

10:01:01 Motion to close by Mr. Reddick, second by Mrs. Montelione on

10:01:04 a close vote with Mr. Suarez.




10:01:05 All in favor of the motion please indicate by saying aye.

10:01:08 Opposed nay.

10:01:09 The ayes have it unanimously.

10:01:10 Mrs. Montelione, would you kindly take number 39, please?

10:01:13 >>LISA MONTELIONE: You surprised me.

10:01:17 I thought you were going to start with Mr. Suarez.

10:01:20 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Well, I did that last week.

10:01:22 It was two weeks ago or maybe throw weeks ago.

10:01:24 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I present an ordinance for second

10:01:27 reading and adoption, an ordinance of the City of Tampa,

10:01:30 Florida, pertaining to the amendment of chapter 26, City of

10:01:33 Tampa utilities ordinance, article III, City of Tampa

10:01:36 wastewater department ordinance, section 26-117, definitions

10:01:41 of the City of Tampa code, providing for repeal of all

10:01:44 ordinances in conflict, providing an effective date.

10:01:45 >> Second.

10:01:47 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion by Mrs. Montelione.

10:01:50 I have a second by Mr. Suarez.

10:01:51 Roll call vote.

10:01:52 Vote and record.

10:01:52 >>> Motion carried unanimously.

10:02:02 >> Item number 40.

10:02:06 Anyone in the audience care to speak on item number 40?

10:02:16 40.

10:02:18 Any questions on 40 by council members?




10:02:20 I have a motion to close by Mr. Reddick, seconded by Mr.

10:02:23 Cohen.

10:02:24 All in favor of that motion please indicate by saying aye.

10:02:26 Opposed nay.

10:02:26 The ayes have it unanimously.

10:02:28 Mr. Cohen, would you kindly take number 40, please?

10:02:30 >>HARRY COHEN: Thank you, Mr. Chair.

10:02:32 I move an ordinance being presented for second reading and

10:02:34 adoption, an ordinance of the city of Tampa, Florida

10:02:37 amending chapter 26, City of Tampa utilities ordinance,

10:02:41 article III, City of Tampa wastewater department ordinance,

10:02:44 section 26-128, technical standards adopted of the City of

10:02:49 Tampa code, adopting the City of Tampa's water weight

10:02:53 discharge and industrial pretreatment standards technical

10:02:56 manual, and providing for repeal of the technical standards

10:02:59 for sanitary sewers, providing for repeal of all ordinances

10:03:03 in conflict, providing for severability, providing an

10:03:06 effective date.

10:03:06 >>FRANK REDDICK: Second.

10:03:10 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion by Mr. Cohen, a second by

10:03:12 Mr. Reddick.

10:03:14 Roll call vote.

10:03:15 Vote and record.

10:03:22 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried unanimously.

10:03:27 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Ms. Mandell will now bring the ordinance




10:03:29 we have on the addendum today, an ordinance just to cross

10:03:32 reference what we had done before.

10:03:34 >>JULIA MANDELL: Legal department.

10:03:36 The ordinance I'm requesting City Council read today

10:03:38 amending chapter 23.5-5 schedule of violations and

10:03:42 penalties, clean-up item to correct some cross references,

10:03:46 when we consolidated the Land Development Code, we changed

10:03:49 numbers, and wanted to go ahead and make sure our code

10:03:52 enforcement provisions were matching.

10:03:57 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: This is first reading.

10:03:58 I need a motion to that effect.

10:04:01 >> Motion to read the ordinance.

10:04:03 >> I have a motion by Mrs. Montelione, second by --

10:04:16 >> I think I need to read the ordinance.

10:04:17 I move an ordinance being presented for first reading

10:04:20 consideration, an ordinance of the city of Tampa, Florida

10:04:22 providing cross reference sections and section 23.5-5

10:04:28 schedule of violation and penalties, providing for repeal of

10:04:31 all ordinances in conflict, providing for severability,

10:04:33 providing an effective date.

10:04:36 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion by Mrs. Mulhern, second

10:04:38 by Mrs. Montelione.

10:04:39 I apologize to Mrs. Montelione.

10:04:42 It was my mistake.

10:04:43 All in favor of the motion?




10:04:45 Opposed?

10:04:45 The ayes have it unanimously.

10:04:46 >>THE CLERK: And the second reading of the ordinance will

10:04:48 be held January 24th at 9:30 a.m.

10:04:54 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: We go to items 41 through 48.

10:04:56 Need to open those second readings.

10:04:59 Moved by Mrs. Montelione, second by Mr. Suarez on 41 through

10:05:02 48.

10:05:03 These are nonjudicial proceedings.

10:05:04 All in favor of the motion date by saying aye.

10:05:07 Opposed nay.

10:05:10 The second reading on all of these that we just opened,

10:05:13 processes that everybody sent by e-mail to be part of the

10:05:16 record.

10:05:17 Need a motion to receive and file.

10:05:19 I have a motion to receive and file by Mrs. Montelione,

10:05:21 second by Mr. Suarez.

10:05:23 All in favor of the motion?

10:05:24 Opposed?

10:05:24 The ayes have it unanimously.

10:05:26 Okay.

10:05:30 Those items are open.

10:05:31 These are second readings.

10:05:33 Item 41.

10:05:34 I believe we already heard from the public on this one.




10:05:37 But anyone who has not spoken earlier who would care to

10:05:39 speak on this item, please come forward.

10:05:41 >> Move to close.

10:05:45 >> Second.

10:05:46 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion to close by Mr. Red I

10:05:48 can, second by Mr. Suarez on a close vote with Mr. Cohen.

10:05:52 All in favor?

10:05:53 Opposed?

10:05:53 The ayes have it unanimously.

10:05:54 I believe going left to right, so Mr. Reddick is the one who

10:05:58 made this original motion so I'll let him read it, with no

10:06:02 disrespect to Ms. Mulhern.

10:06:04 >>FRANK REDDICK: Thank you, Mr. Chair.

10:06:07 Move an ordinance being presented for second reading and

10:06:10 adoption, on ordinance in the city of Tampa, Florida, City

10:06:14 of Tampa code ordinances chapter 12, creating article 6,

10:06:18 sections 12-1 through 27 through 12-130, criminal history,

10:06:27 providing for repeal of all ordinances in conflict,

10:06:30 providing an effective date.

10:06:30 >> Second.

10:06:31 >> I have a motion by Mr. Reddick, second by Mr. Cohen for

10:06:33 approval.

10:06:34 This is a roll call vote second hearing.

10:06:36 Vote and record.

10:06:37 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried with Miranda voting no.




10:06:47 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.

10:06:47 We go to item number 42.

10:06:50 Anyone in the audience care to speak on item 42?

10:06:53 >> Kathy Ginster representing wastewater department.

10:07:00 Item 42 through 47 are the additional wastewater ordinance

10:07:04 amendments proposed for second reading and adoption today.

10:07:09 We are here to answer any questions that you may have

10:07:11 regarding these amendments.

10:07:12 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you.

10:07:13 Any questions by count members?

10:07:14 Anyone in the audience care to speak on item number 42?

10:07:17 42?

10:07:18 I see no one.

10:07:19 I have a motion and second by Mrs. Capin seconded by Mr.

10:07:22 Suarez.

10:07:23 All in favor of the motion indicate by saying aye.

10:07:26 Opposed nay.

10:07:27 The ayes have it unanimously.

10:07:28 Ms. Mulhern, would you kindly take item number 42?

10:07:35 >>MARY MULHERN: I move an ordinance being presented for

10:07:37 second reading and adoption, an ordinance of the city of

10:07:40 Tampa, Florida amending chapter 26, City of Tampa utilities

10:07:43 ordinance, article III, City of Tampa wastewater department

10:07:47 ordinance, section 26-120, excluded wastes, providing for

10:07:52 repeal of all ordinances in conflict, providing an effective




10:07:54 date.

10:07:54 >> Second.

10:07:56 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion by Mrs. Mulhern for

10:07:58 approval, second by Mr. Suarez.

10:08:00 Roll call vote.

10:08:01 Vote and record.

10:08:01 >> Motion carried unanimously.

10:08:14 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Item number 436789436789 anyone in the

10:08:16 audience care to speak on item number 43?

10:08:18 >> Move to close.

10:08:21 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I see no one.

10:08:22 Motion to close by Mrs. Capin, second by Mr. Cohen.

10:08:24 All in favor of that motion?

10:08:26 Opposed nay?

10:08:27 The ayes have it unanimously.

10:08:29 Ms. Capin, would you kindly take number 43, please?

10:08:33 >> Thank you, Mr. Chair.

10:08:34 An ordinance being presented for second reading and

10:08:36 adoption, an ordinance in the city of Tampa, Florida

10:08:38 amending chapter 26, City of Tampa utilities ordinance,

10:08:42 article III, City of Tampa wastewater department ordinance,

10:08:46 section 26-124, extensions or improvements provided by

10:08:51 applicant, providing for repeal of all other ordinances in

10:08:54 conflict, providing an effective date.

10:08:55 >> Second.




10:08:57 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion by Mrs. Capin for

10:08:59 approval, second by Mr. Suarez.

10:09:01 Roll call vote.

10:09:02 Vote and record.

10:09:02 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried unanimously.

10:09:13 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Item number 44.

10:09:14 >>MARY MULHERN: Anyone in the audience care to speak on

10:09:16 item number 44?

10:09:17 I see no one.

10:09:19 I have a motion to close by Mr. Cohen, second by Mrs.

10:09:22 Montelione.

10:09:22 All in favor of that motion please indicate by saying aye.

10:09:25 Opposed nay.

10:09:26 The ayes have it unanimously.

10:09:28 Item number 44, Mr. Suarez, would you kindly take that,

10:09:32 please?

10:09:33 >> I present an ordinance for second reading and adoption,

10:09:36 an ordinance of the city of Tampa, Florida amending chapter

10:09:38 26, City of Tampa utilities ordinance, article 3, City of

10:09:41 Tampa wastewater department ordinance, section 26-125, cost,

10:09:48 sizes and methods of construction for building sewer

10:09:50 connection, providing for repeal of all other ordinances in

10:09:53 conflict, providing an effective date.

10:09:54 >>FRANK REDDICK: Second.

10:09:56 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion for approval by Mr.




10:09:58 Suarez, second by Mr. Reddick.

10:10:00 Roll call vote.

10:10:01 Vote and record.

10:10:01 >> Motion carried unanimously.

10:10:07 >> Item number 45.

10:10:10 Anyone in the audience care to speak on item number 45?

10:10:14 I see no one.

10:10:16 Motion to close by Mr. Reddick, second by Mr. Cohen.

10:10:21 All in favor of that motion please indicate by saying aye.

10:10:24 Opposed nay.

10:10:24 The ayes have it unanimously.

10:10:26 Ms. Mrs. Montelione, would you kindly take number 45,

10:10:30 please?

10:10:31 45.

10:10:31 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I move an ordinance -- sorry -- for

10:10:36 second reading and adoption, ordinance of the city of Tampa,

10:10:38 Florida amending chapter 26 City of Tampa utilities

10:10:42 ordinance, article III, City of Tampa wastewater department

10:10:46 ordinance, providing for repeal of section 26-126, alternate

10:10:49 materials an methods of construction, and providing for

10:10:51 repeal of all other ordinances in conflict, providing an

10:10:53 effective date.

10:10:54 >> Second.

10:10:56 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion by Mrs. Montelione for

10:10:57 approval, second by Mr. Suarez.




10:10:59 Roll call vote.

10:11:00 Vote and record.

10:11:00 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried unanimously.

10:11:10 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Item number 46.

10:11:15 Anyone in the audience care to speak on item number 46?

10:11:19 I see no one.

10:11:20 >>FRANK REDDICK: Move to close.

10:11:22 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Motion to close by Mr. Reddick, seconded

10:11:24 by Mr. Suarez.

10:11:25 All in favor of that motion indicate by saying aye.

10:11:27 Opposed nay.

10:11:28 The ayes have it unanimously.

10:11:29 Mr. Cohen, would you kindly take number 46, please?

10:11:33 >>HARRY COHEN: Thank you.

10:11:33 I move an ordinance being presented for second reading and

10:11:36 adoption, an ordinance of the city of Tampa, Florida

10:11:38 amending chapter 26, City of Tampa utilities ordinance,

10:11:42 article III, City of Tampa wastewater department ordinance,

10:11:46 providing for repeal of section 26-127, analytical methods,

10:11:51 providing for repeal of all other ordinances in conflict,

10:11:55 providing an effective date.

10:11:55 >>FRANK REDDICK: Second.

10:11:58 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Motion for approval by Mr. Cohen, second

10:12:00 by Mr. Reddick on a close vote with Mr. Suarez.

10:12:03 Roll call vote.




10:12:04 Vote and record.

10:12:10 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried unanimously.

10:12:14 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Item number 47.

10:12:16 Anyone in the public care to speak on item number 47?

10:12:19 I see no one.

10:12:20 I have a motion to close by Mr. Cohen, second by Mr. Suarez.

10:12:24 All in favor of that motion please indicate by saying aye.

10:12:26 Opposed nay.

10:12:27 The ayes have it unanimously.

10:12:32 Mrs. Mulhern, would you kindly take number 47, please?

10:12:36 >> I move an ordinance being presented for second reading

10:12:38 and adoption, an ordinance of the city of Tampa, Florida

10:12:41 amending chapter 26, City of Tampa utilities ordinance,

10:12:44 article VII, City of Tampa grease management ordinance,

10:12:49 section 26-302, applicability, providing for the repeal of

10:12:53 all on the ordinances in conflict, providing an effective

10:12:56 date.

10:12:56 >> Second.

10:12:58 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion for approval by Mrs.

10:13:00 Mulhern, seconded by Mr. Suarez.

10:13:02 Roll call vote.

10:13:03 Vote and record.

10:13:03 >> Motion carried unanimously.

10:13:12 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Item number 48.

10:13:13 Anyone in the audience care to speak on item number 48?




10:13:19 I see no one.

10:13:20 I have a motion to close by Mr. Suarez, second by Mr. Cohen.

10:13:22 All in favor of that motion indicate by saying aye.

10:13:25 Opposed nay.

10:13:27 The ayes have it unanimously.

10:13:28 Mr. Reddick, would you take number 48?

10:13:31 >> Move an ordinance for second reading and adoption, an

10:13:34 ordinance amending the Tampa comprehensive plan, capital

10:13:37 improvements element, by updating the schedule of projects

10:13:40 for fiscal year 2013 through fiscal year 2017, by updating

10:13:44 the Florida Department of Transportation work schedule for

10:13:47 fiscal year 2013 through fiscal year 2017 by updating the

10:13:52 school board's facilities work program for fiscal year 2013

10:13:56 through fiscal year 2017, providing for repeal of all

10:14:01 ordinances in conflict, providing for severability,

10:14:03 providing an effective date.

10:14:04 >> Second.

10:14:06 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion by Mr. Reddick.

10:14:07 I have a second by Mr. Suarez for approval.

10:14:09 Roll call vote.

10:14:10 Vote and record.

10:14:17 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried unanimously.

10:14:22 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: All right.

10:14:23 We go to items 49 through 56.

10:14:25 Need to open those hearings.




10:14:26 And all those that are going to testify, these are

10:14:30 quasi-judicial and I am going to need a motion in a minute

10:14:34 here, but let me open 49 through 56 first.

10:14:37 >> So moved.

10:14:38 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion by Mr. Suarez, second by

10:14:40 Mrs. Mulhern.

10:14:40 All in favor of the motion indicate by saying aye.

10:14:43 Opposed nay.

10:14:43 The ayes have it unanimously.

10:14:44 Anyone that's going to speak, thinking of speaking, or may

10:14:47 want to be seen on television, 49 through 56.

10:14:52 You have to be sworn in.

10:14:53 (Oath administered by Clerk)

10:14:55 Okay.

10:15:02 Any items or communications that we have received faxes or

10:15:09 e-mails, or whatever, need to be received and filed.

10:15:13 Motion by Mrs. Montelione, second by Mr. Suarez.

10:15:15 All in favor?

10:15:16 Opposed?

10:15:16 The ayes have it unanimously.

10:15:18 Item number 49 is the second hearing on item 49.

10:15:22 Anyone in the audience that would care to speak on item 49,

10:15:26 please come forward.

10:15:26 >> Barbara Lynch, Land Development Coordination.

10:15:33 If council has any questions I'm here to answer.




10:15:35 >> Any questions by council members at this time?

10:15:37 Anyone in the public care toe speak on item 49?

10:15:40 >> Move to close.

10:15:41 >> Motion to close by Mrs. Montelione, second by Mr. Cohen.

10:15:44 All in favor of that motion?

10:15:46 Opposed?

10:15:47 The ayes have it unanimously.

10:15:48 Mrs. Capin, would you kindly take number 49, please?

10:15:53 >>YVONNE CAPIN: An ordinance being presented for second

10:15:55 reading and adoption, an ordinance vacating a portion of a

10:15:59 permanent public transportation easement reserved by the

10:16:01 City of Tampa by ordinance number 2010-11 and located within

10:16:07 the vacated right-of-way known as north A street, the same

10:16:10 being more fully described in section 1 hereof, amending

10:16:14 section 2. F of ordinance number 2010-11 to reflect said

10:16:21 partial vacation, providing an effective date.

10:16:23 >> Second.

10:16:26 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion by Mrs. Capin.

10:16:27 I have a second by Mr. Suarez.

10:16:29 This is second reading, roll call vote.

10:16:32 Vote and record.

10:16:33 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried unanimously.

10:16:42 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Item number 50.

10:16:44 50.

10:16:44 Anyone in the audience care to speak on item number 50?




10:16:48 >>BARBARA LYNCH: Land Development Coordination.

10:16:50 The city is the applicant on this.

10:16:51 So we request your approval.

10:16:54 >> Any questions by council members?

10:16:55 Once more, anyone in the audience care to speak on item

10:16:58 number 50?

10:16:59 50?

10:16:59 I see no one.

10:17:00 I have a motion to close by Mr. Cohen, second by Mr. Suarez.

10:17:04 All in favor of the motion please indicate by saying aye.

10:17:06 Opposed nay.

10:17:07 The ayes have it unanimously.

10:17:08 Mr. Suarez, would you kindly take number 50, please?

10:17:10 >> I present an ordinance for second reading and adoption,

10:17:13 an ordinance vacating, closing, discontinuing, and

10:17:16 abandoning an alleyway lying east of 34th street, west

10:17:20 of 35th street, south of Chelsea street, and north of

10:17:24 Genesee Street, in oak tree subdivision, a subdivision in

10:17:27 the City of Tampa, Hillsborough County, Florida, the same

10:17:30 being more fully described herein in section 1, providing an

10:17:33 effective date.

10:17:36 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion by Mr. Suarez for

10:17:38 approval.

10:17:38 Second by Mr. Reddick.

10:17:39 Roll call vote.




10:17:40 Vote and record.

10:17:40 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried unanimously.

10:17:53 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Item number 51.

10:17:54 Anyone in the audience care to speak on item number 51?

10:17:58 Yes, sir?

10:17:58 >> Ron Villa, staff for historic preservation here for 51

10:18:04 and 52.

10:18:05 I am going to present a brief photo presentation to you on

10:18:09 the ad valorem exception for the first one 51 is for 720

10:18:14 South Orleans Avenue, it's in the Hyde Park historic

10:18:18 district and the owners are Russell and Lee Versaggi.

10:18:27 This is a structure prior to rehabilitation.

10:18:32 It does have a south elevation.

10:18:35 This is the west elevation.

10:18:36 You see some inappropriate latticework here, and the absence

10:18:43 of a balustrade on top, and up there rehabilitation efforts,

10:18:45 they removed some of these inappropriate works and recreated

10:18:49 the balustrade on top and through the process involved an

10:18:59 addition to the north part of the house which is a kitchen,

10:19:02 which is shown here.

10:19:04 And you see how it flows with the rest of the house and the

10:19:09 character of that house as part of the completion of the

10:19:13 parcel.

10:19:15 A perimeter fence was erected with some wrought iron on top

10:19:19 and an accessory structure in the rear.




10:19:22 Moving to the interior, the house has some challenges.

10:19:27 This is one of the fireplaces that were left behind.

10:19:31 You see the wood floors and the 8-inch baseboards, and the

10:19:35 picture rail in this picture, also shows a drop ceiling.

10:19:43 After rehabilitation, the drop ceiling was removed.

10:19:47 The crown and the picture rail all engaged on the top to

10:19:51 complete the ceiling.

10:19:51 You see the character of the fireplace and the wood floors

10:19:55 were retained and brought back to its luster.

10:20:00 This is the living room.

10:20:03 It shows the fireplace at the end, Frankland by the bookends

10:20:08 and period appropriate windows on top.

10:20:12 Trying to get the same perspective shot in that same room.

10:20:17 The wood floors, the wainscoting, the bookends were

10:20:28 preserved in place with a fireplace.

10:20:30 And just to conclude, just some random shots.

10:20:34 This is a pantry that was retained on-site.

10:20:39 It was removed during construction and put back in its

10:20:42 original location.

10:20:43 The centralized stairs.

10:20:48 This is from the front door looking back towards where the

10:20:51 addition, where the kitchen is, back here.

10:20:55 And last, this is showing the kitchen as it appears today.

10:21:04 This did come through the Architectural Review Commission

10:21:06 and meets standards for rehabilitation.




10:21:08 Thank you.

10:21:10 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much for that fine

10:21:11 presentation.

10:21:11 Anyone in the audience care to speak on item number 51?

10:21:14 Need a motion to close.

10:21:15 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Second.

10:21:20 I mean so moved.

10:21:22 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you, Mr. Suarez.

10:21:23 I have a second by Mr. Reddick.

10:21:24 All in favor of the motion?

10:21:26 Opposed?

10:21:26 The ayes have it unanimously.

10:21:28 Mrs. Montelione, would you kindly take number 51, please?

10:21:33 >> Yes.

10:21:33 I move an ordinance for second reading and adoption, an

10:21:36 ordinance approving an historic preservation property tax

10:21:40 exemption application relative to the restoration,

10:21:42 renovation or rehabilitation of certain property owned by

10:21:45 Russell S. Vesaggi and Frances Leigh Wilson Vesaggi located

10:21:54 at 720 South Orleans Avenue Tampa, Florida in the Hyde Park

10:21:57 historic district based upon certain findings providing for

10:22:00 notice to the property appraiser of Hillsborough County

10:22:02 providing for severability, providing for repeal of all

10:22:04 ordinances in conflict providing an effective date.

10:22:07 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a second by Mr. Suarez.




10:22:10 Roll call vote.

10:22:11 Vote and record.

10:22:11 >> And I left out that would be our new property appraiser,

10:22:15 Bob Enriquez.

10:22:18 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried unanimously.

10:22:20 >> Yes, sir.

10:22:23 Item 52.

10:22:24 >>> 52.

10:22:28 I have a front elevation of this house prior to

10:22:30 rehabilitation.

10:22:33 There was a young lady that spoke earlier today on the

10:22:35 challenges of some of the blighted houses, and this is one

10:22:39 of the houses that was in the historic district that was a

10:22:41 challenge for us.

10:22:42 The owners came forward, and through certain projects that

10:22:46 we had, and the trust fund, and through the ad valorem tax

10:22:49 exemption program, they were able to rehab the house.

10:22:53 And you see the tremendous transformation.

10:22:57 There is no meat on the bones.

10:22:58 They are not making money on this.

10:22:59 What they did is they saved a house in a historic district

10:23:02 F.not this would have been become another empty lot in the

10:23:07 district that would have not benefited anybody.

10:23:08 So hats off to the owner.

10:23:13 This is at 506 east Park Avenue, located in Tampa Heights




10:23:16 historic district, and it is also owned by Rus Vesaggi and

10:23:24 his wife Leigh Vesaggi.

10:23:28 This was constructed in 19 13th, gable, hip roof,

10:23:33 horizontal siding.

10:23:34 As I stated, this house was in disrepair for five, six years

10:23:39 that I can recall, and after the rehabilitation, this is how

10:23:43 it appears today.

10:23:50 Just another shot of an elevation prior to rehabilitation.

10:23:54 And looking at the house.

10:23:59 It is occupied.

10:24:02 It's taken ownership and the people that are renting are

10:24:04 probably going to buy it.

10:24:05 So that's a positive for the neighborhood as well.

10:24:10 I want to show this shot.

10:24:12 This is a project that just started.

10:24:13 And if you look through the front door, which is here, you

10:24:16 see it's raining, and I am trying to pan out.

10:24:20 When we were in here, there was a hole in the roof and we

10:24:23 were inside the house with umbrellas because it was raining

10:24:26 inside and outside.

10:24:27 And this is that same perspective looking back through the

10:24:32 front door.

10:24:32 You see the renovation of the wood floors, or obviously they

10:24:37 brought in new wood floors, they brought in

10:24:39 period-appropriate baseboards, drywall, the windows, the




10:24:44 doors.

10:24:44 Just a total transformation.

10:24:48 Once again, the house prior to rehabilitation.

10:24:53 This is looking from the dining room, back into the kitchen.

10:24:59 And how the kitchen appears today with appropriate

10:25:04 cabinetry, with the tile work that is laid in a checkerboard

10:25:09 pattern, appropriate double hung windows, and period

10:25:12 lighting.

10:25:13 This is also reviewed by Architectural Review Commission and

10:25:16 secretary of interior standard for rehabilitation.

10:25:20 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you.

10:25:20 Anyone in the audience care to speak on item number 52?

10:25:23 52?

10:25:24 I see no one.

10:25:26 I have a motion to close by Mr. Cohen, second by Mrs.

10:25:28 Mulhern.

10:25:29 All in favor of the motion please indicate by saying aye.

10:25:32 Opposed nay.

10:25:33 The ayes have it unanimously.

10:25:34 Mr. Cohen, would you kindly take number 52, please?

10:25:36 >> I move an ordinance being presented for second reading

10:25:39 and adoption, an ordinance approving an historic

10:25:42 preservation property tax exemption application relative to

10:25:46 the restoration, renovation or rehabilitation of certain

10:25:49 property owned by Russell S. Vesaggi and Frances Leigh




10:25:53 Wilson Vesaggi locate at 506 east Park Avenue Tampa, Florida

10:26:00 in the Tampa hate historic district based upon certain

10:26:02 findings providing for notice to the property appraiser of

10:26:04 Hillsborough County, providing for severability, providing

10:26:07 for repeal of all ordinances in conflict, providing an

10:26:09 effective date.

10:26:09 >> I have a motion for approval by Mr. Cohen, second by Mr.

10:26:16 Suarez.

10:26:17 Roll call vote.

10:26:18 Vote and record.

10:26:23 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried unanimously.

10:26:24 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Item number 53.

10:26:25 53.

10:26:27 Yes, ma'am.

10:26:27 >>ABBYE FEELEY: Land Development Coordination.

10:26:31 Item number 53 and 55 require certified site plans.

10:26:35 Those have been certified and provided to the clerk.

10:26:38 Thank you.

10:26:39 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.

10:26:39 Anyone in the audience care to speak to item 53 first?

10:26:43 53.

10:26:43 >> Jeremy couch, applicant, here if you have any questions.

10:26:50 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.

10:26:51 Any questions at this time?

10:26:53 Anyone in the audience?




10:26:54 One last time on 53.

10:26:56 Need a motion to close.

10:26:57 Motion by Mr. Reddick, second by Mr. Cohen.

10:27:01 All in favor of the motion please indicate by saying aye.

10:27:04 Opposed nay.

10:27:06 The ayes have it unanimously.

10:27:08 Mrs. Mulhern, would you kindly take number 53, please?

10:27:11 >> I move an ordinance being presented for second reading

10:27:14 and adoption, an ordinance approving a special use permit

10:27:16 S-2, approving a place of religious assembly, school and

10:27:21 daycare in RS-60 residential single-family zoning district

10:27:25 in the general vicinity of 3901 and 3911 west Bay Avenue and

10:27:31 3905 Ohio Avenue in the city of Tampa, Florida and as more

10:27:35 particularly described in section 1 hereof providing an

10:27:38 effective date.

10:27:38 >> Second.

10:27:40 >> I have a motion for approval by Mrs. Mulhern, second by

10:27:43 Mr. Suarez.

10:27:43 Roll call vote.

10:27:45 Vote and record.

10:27:45 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried unanimously.

10:27:54 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Item number 54.

10:27:57 Does anyone in the audience care to speak to item 54?

10:28:01 >> Joel Sousa, land development.

10:28:04 Plans have been provided to the city clerk's office.




10:28:08 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Anyone in the audience care to speak to

10:28:10 item 54?

10:28:11 I see no one.

10:28:12 Need a motion to close.

10:28:13 I have a motion to close by Mrs. Montelione, seconded by Mr.

10:28:16 Suarez.

10:28:16 All in favor of the motion please indicate by saying aye.

10:28:19 Opposed nay.

10:28:20 The ayes have it unanimously.

10:28:22 Mr. Reddick, would you kindly take number 54, please?

10:28:27 >>FRANK REDDICK: Move an ordinance presented for second

10:28:29 reading and adoption, an ordinance repealing ordinance

10:28:31 number 97-269 approving a special using permit S-2 for

10:28:36 alcoholic beverage sales, restaurant on premises only, and

10:28:39 making lawful the sale of beverages regardless of alcoholic

10:28:44 content, beer, wine and liquor on that certain lot, plot or

10:28:48 tract of land located at 3045 north Rocky Point drive,

10:28:51 Tampa, Florida, as more particularly described in section 3,

10:28:54 that all ordinances or parts of ordinances in conflict are

10:28:57 repealed, providing an effective date.

10:28:58 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:

10:29:01 >> second.

10:29:02 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion by Mr. Reddick, second by

10:29:05 Mrs. Capin on a close vote with Mr. Suarez.

10:29:08 Roll call vote.




10:29:10 Vote and record.

10:29:16 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried unanimously.

10:29:22 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Item number 55.

10:29:23 Anyone in the audience care to speak on item 55?

10:29:27 >> My name is Rich Begnet, Tampa, here representing

10:29:35 congregation Schaarai Zedek here to answer any questions you

10:29:43 may have.

10:29:44 >> Motion to close.

10:29:45 >> I have a motion to close by Mr. Suarez, second by Mrs.

10:29:48 Mulhern.

10:29:48 All in favor of the motion indicate by saying aye.

10:29:51 Opposed nay?

10:29:51 The ayes have it unanimously.

10:29:53 Mrs. Capin, would you kindly take number 55.

10:29:57 >> Ordinance being presented for second reading and

10:29:58 adoption, rezoning property in the general vicinity of 3303

10:30:02 West Swann Avenue in the city of Tampa, Florida and more

10:30:05 particularly described in section 1 from zoning district

10:30:08 classifications PD, planned development, place of religious

10:30:11 assembly, daycare, preschool and religious school, to PD,

10:30:15 planned development, place of religious assembly, daycare,

10:30:18 preschool, and religious school, providing an effective

10:30:21 date.

10:30:21 >> Second.

10:30:23 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion by Mrs. Capin.




10:30:24 I have a second by Mr. Suarez.

10:30:25 Roll call vote.

10:30:27 Vote and record.

10:30:27 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried unanimously.

10:30:36 >> We go to item number 56.

10:30:42 Anyone in the audience care to speak on item 56?

10:30:45 56?

10:30:47 I see no one.

10:30:48 Need a motion to close.

10:30:49 >> So moved.

10:30:50 >> I have a motion by Mr. Suarez, seconded by Ms.

10:30:55 Montelione.

10:30:56 All in favor of the motion?

10:31:00 All right, just wanted to say hi.

10:31:02 All in favor?

10:31:04 Opposed?

10:31:05 The ayes have it unanimously.

10:31:06 Mr. Suarez, would you kindly take number 56?

10:31:09 >> I present an ordinance being presented for second reading

10:31:12 and adoption, an ordinance rezoning property in the general

10:31:14 vicinity of 3407 west Barcelona Avenue in the city of Tampa,

10:31:18 Florida and more particularly described in section 1 from

10:31:21 zoning district classification RM-16, residential

10:31:26 multifamily, to RS-50, residential single-family, providing

10:31:30 an effective date.




10:31:30 >> This is a roll call vote.

10:31:33 I have a motion by Mr. Suarez, seconded by Mr. Cohen for

10:31:36 approval.

10:31:36 All in favor of the motion?

10:31:38 Roll call vote.

10:31:39 Vote and record.

10:31:39 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried with Mulhern and Reddick being

10:31:51 absent at vote.

10:31:54 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Item number 57 and 58 are public

10:31:56 hearings.

10:31:58 Quasi-judicial hearing.

10:31:59 Need to open those two.

10:32:02 Need a motion to open 57 and 58.

10:32:05 I have a motion by Mr. Suarez to open, second by Mr. Cohen

10:32:08 on 57 and 58.

10:32:09 All in favor of the motion?

10:32:11 Opposed?

10:32:11 The motion to open is open.

10:32:13 57 and 58 are open.

10:32:16 These are quasi-judicial.

10:32:18 Anyone that's going to speak on 57 and 58 will be sworn in

10:32:21 at this time.

10:32:21 (Oath administered by Clerk)

10:32:27 >> All the documents that have been sent to the city in one

10:32:34 form or another have to be received and filed.




10:32:37 I have a motion by Mr. Suarez.

10:32:39 I have a second by Mrs. Capin.

10:32:41 All in favor of that motion indicate by saying aye?

10:32:44 The ayes have it unanimously.

10:32:45 Yes, ma'am.

10:32:47 >>CATHERINE COYLE: Planning and development.

10:32:48 As a reminder Z-12-54 is the first area in Seminole Heights

10:32:53 area rezoning.

10:32:54 Planning district.

10:32:55 And it is a southwest sector, and available to answer any

10:33:01 questions.

10:33:03 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.

10:33:03 Anyone care to speak to item number 57?

10:33:05 57?

10:33:06 >> Good morning Mr. Chairman and council members.

10:33:14 My name is Todd Pressman, 334 East Lake Road, 102, Palm

10:33:19 Harbor, here today for fireworks located at Florida and MLK

10:33:25 just within the Seminole Heights area rezoning.

10:33:29 And the reason that we are here is a concern of mission

10:33:34 creek.

10:33:35 Some people refer to it as the camel's nose understood the

10:33:39 tent.

10:33:39 I can give you an example when Hillsborough County many

10:33:42 years ago started to venture into the same type of overlay

10:33:45 type districts.




10:33:46 It began very simple, very sterile.

10:33:50 It morphed mission creek into some of those districts, not

10:33:55 permitting doctors' offices.

10:33:57 Some of those districts requiring businesses to close at

10:34:00 9 a.m., all lights off.

10:34:02 Some of those districts requiring no front doors towards

10:34:07 street fronts.

10:34:08 It required the interior of a site.

10:34:10 Some of those districts now allowing a role of parking along

10:34:13 a Street front.

10:34:14 They become overburdening, they become overwhelming, they

10:34:18 become anti-productive and anti-development.

10:34:20 Now, we have concerns about what's proposed today, but the

10:34:24 critical concern is once you start one of these overlay

10:34:29 district, and everyone has the best of intentions, and I

10:34:31 have no complaint of your staff whatsoever, they do a great

10:34:34 job, but once you start them, it begins to grow, and it

10:34:39 begins to incorporate a lot more restrictions and

10:34:44 requirements, to become more and more difficult for, in this

10:34:47 case, a business, a very thriving business to continue its

10:34:50 operation.

10:34:53 It falls further and further into nonconformity.

10:34:56 So our request is to be taken out of this overlay district.

10:34:58 We do not want to be in it. We want to be excluded from it.

10:35:01 And we ask for your consideration in that regard.




10:35:03 Thank you.

10:35:04 >>MARY MULHERN: Mr. Pressman, we have in our backup tiny

10:35:15 little maps that we can't read.

10:35:17 I can show you in the overhead.

10:35:19 So you have to tell us where your property is.

10:35:21 >> If we can go to the overhead.

10:35:24 This is Florida.

10:35:26 This is MLK.

10:35:28 From that corner located there.

10:35:30 >> It was funny.

10:35:35 I guess we need the address, and maybe an explanation of the

10:35:44 boundary you want removed from the overlay.

10:35:48 A description of the land use types.

10:35:55 What is the land use type that they are proposing to change?

10:36:00 >> We would request the zoning and land use categories

10:36:03 remain the same, adopted into the Seminole Heights area

10:36:07 rezoning.

10:36:08 >> Okay.

10:36:08 So I guess we need to hear from staff then about your

10:36:11 particular -- and you probably want to submit that.

10:36:16 And it would be nice if we had copies of it so we know.

10:36:19 Your map you just showed.

10:36:20 >> I will be happy to look up the information, the specific

10:36:24 address.

10:36:28 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Mr. Pressman, what exactly, or what part of




10:36:36 this -- are there specific parts that your Clint objects to?

10:36:42 >> We have concerns about the architectural elements that

10:36:47 are going to be required of the we have concerns about

10:36:49 moving into those type of improvements.

10:36:51 And in some areas, certainly, it works great.

10:36:54 Ybor is great.

10:36:55 The Barrio Latino is a great job and it provides for a very

10:36:58 consistent, very significant control of architectural

10:37:04 elements.

10:37:05 The greater concern is, as I have indicated, that mission

10:37:10 creek over time ends up being something much different, and

10:37:13 we don't want to be a part of that.

10:37:15 This is the day that this is being approved, and we don't

10:37:18 want to be a part of future mission creek changes into the

10:37:21 Seminole Heights changes.

10:37:22 Now what I am going to say is not derogatory, it's positive.

10:37:25 Seminole Heights is a special area.

10:37:28 There are areas that are beautiful, and they are really

10:37:33 moved through tremendous renovation.

10:37:35 But to include this business with it, there's two different

10:37:37 elements of growth and future development that just do not

10:37:41 mix.

10:37:46 So I request to be excluded from that overlay district.

10:37:49 Thank you.

10:37:50 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have Mr. Reddick and Mr. Cohen, in that




10:37:52 order.

10:37:52 >>FRANK REDDICK: Thank you, Mr. Chair.

10:37:56 I have one question.

10:37:57 What would it take to have you excluded?

10:38:01 Staff, what would it take to exclude the business?

10:38:04 >>JULIA MANDELL: Legal department.

10:38:05 We are really sort of at the eleventh hour here because, as

10:38:09 you recall, this has been an ongoing process over many

10:38:12 years, which started with an amendment to the comprehensive

10:38:14 plan, which created the area boundary of the Seminole

10:38:17 Heights form-based codes overlay district.

10:38:21 So it's within the comprehensive plan that this property is

10:38:24 to be included.

10:38:25 It is within the Land Development Code that was created and

10:38:29 presented to you as has been adopted by this council, where

10:38:33 the map has been created and where this property is located

10:38:36 in relation to the map.

10:38:37 Now we are simply going through the process of taking the

10:38:40 zoning classifications and putting them into a Seminole

10:38:43 Heights zoning classification, which is really almost a

10:38:47 formalization of the steps that have already been taken.

10:38:52 So for us to look at this particular property and whether or

10:38:54 not it should be included, and it being removed, we are not

10:38:58 really in a position to do that today, because not

10:39:01 withstanding what you do today, you are still within the




10:39:05 district, within the comprehensive plan, with than this

10:39:07 district that's part of the Land Development Code for the

10:39:09 regulation.

10:39:10 So it would be very complicated to do that, and it would

10:39:15 really almost be like a do-over, plus the on the problem

10:39:18 would be if you take this one particular property, even if

10:39:21 you do it at the comprehensive plan level, and you exclude

10:39:25 just this one property, you have potential legal problems

10:39:28 for what we call spot zoning having a spot area within your

10:39:34 comprehensive planning, your classifications that doesn't

10:39:36 match up.

10:39:37 So I think it really becomes a larger conversation as to

10:39:40 whether or not this entire process that we have gone through

10:39:42 over this many years, whether or not that's appropriate,

10:39:45 whether or not the whole boundary, or whether or not the

10:39:48 regulations within that overlay are appropriate for this

10:39:51 area.

10:39:52 But if you want to hear it, could explain a little more

10:39:58 about what's in the regulations and what the processes are

10:40:01 because there are opportunities, and I'm very familiar with

10:40:04 what happens at the county a well and upper what Mr.

10:40:05 Pressman is saying, we didn't make this so difficult or hard

10:40:10 that the processes in place to deal with some of the issues

10:40:13 as they come up.

10:40:14 I don't believe Mr. Pressman has stated that they are going




10:40:17 to redevelop their property tomorrow.

10:40:18 There is no obligation under this amendment for the property

10:40:23 owner to come into compliance with the new code as it stands

10:40:27 today, simply by the change to the zoning classification.

10:40:31 This is a future zoning.

10:40:35 >>FRANK REDDICK: In a shorter version of a response --

10:40:39 >> It's hard to speak to it as a shorter version because

10:40:42 it's been a long process.

10:40:43 >>FRANK REDDICK: The last meeting, when we first brought

10:40:46 this up, we had discussion about the boundaries, it was

10:40:51 included in those boundaries, there was discussion where

10:40:57 there's east, and west, and we had a lot of discussion

10:40:59 between first reading and second reading.

10:41:01 Has that been resolved?

10:41:04 Because we had a lot of discussion about some gentleman

10:41:07 stood up saying the map was wrong because it was not easy,

10:41:11 it was not north -- I forgot which one, but it's not north,

10:41:16 east, west.

10:41:17 >> That was the ordinance which was on the agenda, had the

10:41:19 wrong nomenclature.

10:41:21 It was east versus west.

10:41:23 We changed it as part of the ordinance.

10:41:24 But it wasn't that the boundary changed.

10:41:26 We just were correcting the ordinance title.

10:41:29 So we have not to this day changed that boundary.




10:41:32 We just made sure the ordinance was correct, the ordinance

10:41:35 was incorrect.

10:41:36 The one on your agenda was incorrect.

10:41:37 >>FRANK REDDICK: Okay.

10:41:40 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Mr. Cohen?

10:41:41 >>HARRY COHEN: Two questions.

10:41:47 Mr. Pressman, from my reading of this map, if you were on

10:41:50 the other side of MLK you wouldn't be in the district.

10:41:54 So you are literally right on the edge of the overlay

10:41:57 district.

10:41:57 >> That's my understanding.

10:42:00 >>HARRY COHEN: So if you were on the south side of the

10:42:02 street you wouldn't be standing here.

10:42:05 You are on the north side of the street.

10:42:06 >> Yes, sir.

10:42:07 >> Just to the comment that this is at the eleventh hour,

10:42:10 this issue was brought up before, and I remember

10:42:16 specifically inquiring about it, of staff, after the

10:42:20 meeting, where it came up.

10:42:22 One other question for you.

10:42:25 You are not really objecting to anything about the overlay

10:42:27 district per se.

10:42:28 You are really more concerned that once the district is

10:42:32 created, there is going to sort of be a train on the tracks,

10:42:37 and some time in the future the standards that govern here




10:42:45 are going to get more onerous?

10:42:47 Is that your basic concern?

10:42:49 >> Let me be very clear.

10:42:51 That is the primary concern, but there is a secondary

10:42:54 concern that there are architectural requirements, once you

10:42:56 reach a trigger point in your renovation or change in your

10:42:59 property, that are invoked.

10:43:02 We don't want to be required to do that as well.

10:43:06 This site has been a target of residents in the area who

10:43:09 just don't like it.

10:43:10 So these concerns have been raised, and there's in code

10:43:15 enforcement to the site that I am aware of and it's a well

10:43:19 operated site.

10:43:20 I think some of the members are familiar with how well it

10:43:22 run.

10:43:22 But the fact that they have been a target of some citizens

10:43:26 in the area is all the more it's important.

10:43:28 So it is both being pushed towards greater requirements

10:43:32 today, which are architectural in nature at the moment, and

10:43:36 in the future also changes.

10:43:44 You are correct about that.

10:43:45 >> Mrs. Montelione?

10:43:46 >> Thank you.

10:43:47 Mr. Cohen, that is one of the things I was going to bring,

10:43:51 Mr. Pressman did speak on that at the last hearing, and at




10:43:54 that time, and I'll the transcript in front of me at the

10:44:02 last hearing, you had requested your client's property be

10:44:04 removed from the district.

10:44:05 Have you had any contact with our staff between that time

10:44:10 when you requested that and now?

10:44:13 So that they would have repaired the description, to

10:44:17 eliminate?

10:44:18 >> No.

10:44:21 Just a little bit of discussion, didn't have the ability to

10:44:29 do it or it was extremely difficult.

10:44:31 I can't remember the exact words.

10:44:33 >> And again --not having the transcript in front of me, the

10:44:40 motion to move this forward was carried unanimously, so I

10:44:46 would -- and correct me, Ms. Mandell, if I am right or

10:44:51 wrong -- if we move this unanimously, we accepted the

10:44:54 boundary of that map as it were?

10:44:58 Or I don't recall if there was any direction from any of us

10:45:02 to speak with Mr. Pressman or any of the other property

10:45:05 owners, because if I recall there was more than one property

10:45:08 owner here to speak on that item.

10:45:12 >>JULIA MANDELL: Legal department.

10:45:14 Do you mean when you move this on first reading, you

10:45:17 accepted the boundary at that time?

10:45:18 >> Yes.

10:45:19 >> You bet.




10:45:20 >> And normally, I would be able to say to you, let's look

10:45:25 at whether or not we either continue this or we do something

10:45:27 and we just take this property out.

10:45:29 But it's not that simple, because as I stated, even if we

10:45:35 removed this property at this time, from this rezoning map,

10:45:39 they are not removed from the comprehensive plan land use

10:45:43 map and they are not removed from the Land Development Code

10:45:45 provisions which also have a map associated with it.

10:45:47 >> Before you go on, Mr. Pressman, have you been to the

10:45:51 Planning Commission to amend the boundaries in the

10:45:54 comprehensive plan?

10:45:56 >> No.

10:45:57 And this has been a long-term process.

10:45:59 And we may not have been involved in it from the very

10:46:02 beginning.

10:46:02 But we are involved in it at the eleventh hour.

10:46:04 We are here in a public hearing where this body is making

10:46:07 these decisions.

10:46:08 So we are ready.

10:46:09 But there's always the ability to --

10:46:13 >> Well, I guess based on what Ms. Mandell is saying, even

10:46:17 if we were to amend this boundary now, which we didn't do at

10:46:23 first reading, we accepted the boundary the way it was, and

10:46:28 we did accommodate your client, removed this piece of

10:46:31 property from the boundary, what would that get you?




10:46:38 Because you haven't removed this property from the boundary

10:46:41 of the Planning Commission, the future land use plan map?

10:46:47 >> Well, we can certainly go back and seek to address that

10:46:50 issue.

10:46:51 We would be happy to do that.

10:46:55 Make small amendments, as we all know, small amendment are

10:46:59 filed with --

10:47:01 >> And that may or may not get approved at that time.

10:47:03 So then we were all understood agreement, we had approved

10:47:11 the boundary the way it was the last time, and it would be a

10:47:18 bit of a step back.

10:47:20 We would have to continue this and bring another ordinance

10:47:23 forward, removing that legal description from the legal

10:47:27 description that's before us today in the ordinance.

10:47:29 Why wouldn't you go to the Planning Commission first, have

10:47:33 that map amendment go through Planning Commission, get that

10:47:36 approved, and then come back to us to amend our map?

10:47:40 >> With great respect, I wouldn't say a recommendation for

10:47:46 what council members consider, that perhaps what you can do

10:47:48 is voice on the record if you are so inclined that you do

10:47:52 have concerns about this property, and this is a site that

10:47:54 may not fit in well, and we can talk with the staff about

10:47:57 filing land use amendments to change it.

10:48:00 >> I think that might be a better way to go, and Ms. Coyle

10:48:06 has something to say about that.




10:48:09 >>CATHERINE COYLE: Planning.

10:48:11 I want to clarify the difference between the CI and the CHI

10:48:17 district in contrast to what Mr. Pressman is talking about

10:48:20 because I do believe in the conversations I have had with

10:48:22 him and having testified at the first public hearing, he is

10:48:24 talking about future potential changes in the code.

10:48:28 SHCI and CI zoning classification versus the same range of

10:48:33 uses.

10:48:34 The allowable uses, so his client and that property are not

10:48:37 losing any allowable uses from the old district to the new

10:48:40 district.

10:48:41 But they are getting a benefit, and that is the current

10:48:45 height limitation and CI, 45 feet.

10:48:48 On this particular piece of property at that node, he is

10:48:53 actually allowed 55 feet in height, so it is an additional

10:48:54 10 feet in height.

10:48:56 As far as architectural standard, the only material

10:48:58 requirements as far as building materials, that is in for

10:49:02 CG, or SH-CG and CI, is the aluminum metal siding, plastic

10:49:12 or PVC can only be used on a side street, limit of 25% of

10:49:18 materials, but you don't want a large metal bidding right on

10:49:23 the Main Street.

10:49:24 That's only the material requirement that's in the code.

10:49:26 They also have a smaller lot dimension in Seminole Heights

10:49:30 because of the lot pattern, allowed a 75-foot frontage and




10:49:35 7500 square foot lot, in the current code it's actually

10:49:41 10,000 square feet so they are able to develop open smaller

10:49:44 lots in Seminole Heights.

10:49:44 There are a lot of incentives built into this code because

10:49:47 we actually tooled this to the lot layout in Seminole

10:49:53 Heights specifically.

10:49:54 Also, the on the thing about potentially going to the ARC or

10:49:57 other architectural review that isn't required, only within

10:50:02 the actual local report, so there is no enhanced review

10:50:09 other than a basic permitting review.

10:50:11 >> So back to Mr. Pressman.

10:50:13 With the benefit of developing an additional 10 feet in

10:50:17 height, with developing should this property ever be

10:50:21 transferred, sold, and that one large building comes down,

10:50:25 they could potentially put two buildings instead of one on

10:50:28 the site, because the lots would then be smaller there would

10:50:35 be a provision for smaller lot development.

10:50:38 What is exactly the objection?

10:50:40 You don't have to go to ARC.

10:50:42 >> Catherine is correct, and any change in district, there's

10:50:48 quite a number of -- there's a litany of setbacks and lot

10:50:53 changes.

10:50:54 There's going to be pluses and minuses.

10:50:56 And I certainly don't contest that.

10:50:58 There are some development --




10:51:00 >> What's the hardship?

10:51:02 >> Well, I'll state it very straightforward, which as I have

10:51:06 indicated the primary concern is a mission creek of an

10:51:08 overlay district, and secondly that there are some, as

10:51:12 indicated, initially some architectural concerns, but the

10:51:15 architectural elements are the critical part rate now at

10:51:18 Seminole Heights, and the site has been a target of

10:51:20 citizens, we expect that will be increased and further

10:51:23 expanded.

10:51:24 So the architecture element today are not a great part of

10:51:30 the concern, as I communicated.

10:51:34 It is future concerns, and we expect those to be much more

10:51:37 onerous in the future.

10:51:38 >> So we certainly discover that it is future concerns?

10:51:41 Why don't we address those future concerns when the future

10:51:44 happens?

10:51:46 >> Well, because today is the day that that zoning is

10:51:48 changing.

10:51:49 And to not be here today to present an opposition or

10:51:52 concern, not on the record --

10:51:56 >> Oh, I understand.

10:51:57 You are well representing your client.

10:52:00 And I have great respect for you, Mr. Pressman.

10:52:04 We have worked together before.

10:52:05 And, I mean, just in summary, I would say we move this item




10:52:12 with the boundary the way it is, you go to the Planning

10:52:14 Commission, if your client still so desires to amend, and

10:52:20 that future land use map, and then there's plenty of time to

10:52:25 come back to us if there's still great concern to amend our

10:52:29 map.

10:52:30 But to put us through this process, and there was no

10:52:34 discussion between first and second reading, it would be

10:52:37 difficult now to make this change right here right now in

10:52:41 the moment.

10:52:43 It just my suggestion.

10:52:44 >> I well understand.

10:52:47 Thank you.

10:52:48 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Mr. Suarez, anyone else that wants the

10:52:49 floor?

10:52:50 Any other council members?

10:52:51 Anyone else in the audience care to speak at this time?

10:52:54 Ms. Capin?

10:52:55 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Okay.

10:52:57 I'm going to ask Ms. Coyle to put up the zoning area map up

10:53:02 there, the different zoning, and I'm looking at this, and it

10:53:08 going to be in the future, when this property, or any of

10:53:14 these property along here are renovated or taken down, a new

10:53:24 building, they are going to look very different from the

10:53:27 properties across the street.

10:53:36 You know, I mentioned this at the last meeting.




10:53:38 And I said, we have to be extremely, extremely careful with

10:53:41 this.

10:53:42 Because many years ago, you know, urban renewal, or actually

10:53:57 the neighborhood, we are now trying to fix them as it shows

10:54:00 today in the house that was abandoned and property that were

10:54:03 abandoned, so when we look at this, looking at this, on here

10:54:17 the residence behind the commercial, are they that

10:54:24 transitional where they are allowed the multi-residents

10:54:31 where he can they can build duplexes and triplexes?

10:54:36 >> The direction we received from council at the last

10:54:39 hearing was that it should be a lateral change to the

10:54:43 district, so you have the single-family behind the

10:54:45 commercial.

10:54:48 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Okay.

10:54:49 I just wanted to make sure that that's what it was.

10:54:51 Because I look at this.

10:54:52 And there's properties behind here.

10:54:56 This is Nebraska, right?

10:55:00 Florida.

10:55:00 There's properties behind the commercial that I know

10:55:04 personally have been purchased and rehabbed at single homes.

10:55:09 And for those properties to then be rezoned, and then across

10:55:12 the street be building duplexes and triplexes would be

10:55:16 detrimental to the neighborhood.

10:55:17 So I'm glad that's exactly what is on there.




10:55:21 So just thank you for clarifying that.

10:55:27 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you.

10:55:28 Ms. Long.

10:55:29 >> Susan Long, 921 East Broad Street.

10:55:34 We have been working on this Seminole Heights rezoning,

10:55:39 whatever you want to call it, for, shoot, six, seven years,

10:55:42 five and a half, six.

10:55:44 A long time.

10:55:46 We have had a bazillion meetings for the residents, every

10:55:51 commercial and residential property has been noticed,

10:55:53 numerous times.

10:55:56 We sent a postcard to their snail mail so if they ever pick

10:56:00 up their snail mail they should be notified.

10:56:02 The proposed maps have been presented numerous times all

10:56:06 over the neighborhood.

10:56:07 My question is this.

10:56:09 This particular property at Florida and MLK that's been

10:56:12 there many, many, many years, long before we started this

10:56:15 process as the form-based zoning, I don't know why they

10:56:19 would say nothing.

10:56:21 The comment was made that the neighbors have been attacked,

10:56:27 I guess.

10:56:27 That wasn't the word he used.

10:56:29 I remember it specifically.

10:56:30 The concern was the fire hazard.




10:56:32 It had nothing to do with the people there, had nothing to

10:56:35 do with how they laid out their property or architecture and

10:56:41 the concern was all those fireworks, in one corner, and this

10:56:48 was the concern and the resident nearby were very concerned

10:56:50 about that, had nothing to do -- once the fire department

10:56:53 went out and inspected it, that there was not an issue,

10:56:56 nothing has been said, and that was many years ago.

10:56:58 Four years ago maybe.

10:57:00 Long time ago.

10:57:01 The other question I have is, if you are going to exclude

10:57:04 this property, what about exclude my property?

10:57:09 Can you draw a circle in the middle and take my little do it

10:57:15 out?

10:57:18 Take out my little 100 by hundred square.

10:57:20 But I don't want to be SHRS.

10:57:23 I want to be RS whatever it is, or maybe RM or PQ.

10:57:27 If you take his out, why can't you take mine out?

10:57:30 Or somebody, the lady down the street or the gas station at

10:57:34 the corner or the liquor.

10:57:37 Whomever.

10:57:37 You can't take one out without allowing everybody else to be

10:57:41 removed.

10:57:42 One piece at a time.

10:57:43 Now you have got a polka dot going and the whole purpose of

10:57:47 this is destroyed, you know, whether you like the idea or




10:57:51 not, you just take it away, six, seven years of hard work

10:57:55 both by the city and the people of Seminole Heights.

10:57:57 I strongly discourage you from doing so.

10:57:59 Thank you.

10:58:01 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Ms. Mulhern.

10:58:02 >>MARY MULHERN: Ms. Long, can I just ask you a question

10:58:06 before you sit down?

10:58:07 Because maybe this will make the rest of this item and the

10:58:10 next one go more quickly since it's the Seminole Heights

10:58:13 zone.

10:58:15 Area rezoning.

10:58:19 You were here at the first readings for these, right?

10:58:21 >> Yes.

10:58:22 >>MARY MULHERN: My problem, I'm having a little trouble

10:58:26 remembering, but I think what we asked for at the last

10:58:31 meeting, mostly based on what residents from your

10:58:36 neighborhood wanted, is addressed on the next agenda item.

10:58:42 There were people who wanted -- they wanted to change the

10:58:46 map.

10:58:46 And I think we all agreed on that, right?

10:58:48 But that was the next -- was that the next --

10:58:51 >> What I understood was the residential single-families,

10:58:56 CI --

10:59:02 >> The intensity.

10:59:03 All right.




10:59:04 Thanks.

10:59:05 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Any on the council members?

10:59:06 All right, sir.

10:59:06 >>> Ms. Long and I are friend but I do want to make a couple

10:59:13 comments.

10:59:13 Number one, there have been concerns by neighbors, this is a

10:59:16 very well run business.

10:59:18 However, there have been other concerns about how it looks

10:59:20 in architectural elements.

10:59:21 In the same vein that Sue referred about taking out a circle

10:59:25 or little square, it's the same thing in the point of

10:59:32 drawing a straight line and just saying everybody in this

10:59:35 line is going to meet the standard.

10:59:36 Night that simple.

10:59:37 The commercial use, that's what I referred to, the

10:59:40 commercial uses have a different goal, have a different

10:59:42 operation, have a different soul than the residential does.

10:59:47 So when you draw a straight line it's going to be very

10:59:50 difficult to make sure everybody on the other side of the

10:59:52 line, like Councilman Cohen said, everybody on the other

10:59:55 side of the street is going to be much different.

10:59:57 So the converse is just as effective.

11:00:00 But the other he will EMT empty I'll say, I was here two

11:00:03 months ago.

11:00:04 We did have these comments on the record.




11:00:06 Even if we are at eleventh hour, this is a second public

11:00:09 hearing.

11:00:09 This is what we are here to do for 57 and 58, is still take

11:00:12 comments from public.

11:00:13 So I just would say to you, rather than using that as an

11:00:18 element -- and we have done this for a long time and it's

11:00:21 eleventh hour and we are here so we are going to pass this

11:00:23 anyway, we should place as much weight today on these

11:00:26 comments as anyone may have done in the middle of the

11:00:30 process.

11:00:30 But again I want to say I have no complaints of staff, they

11:00:34 have done a good job, they are trying to do what they can

11:00:37 and we appreciate your consideration.

11:00:38 Thank you.

11:00:38 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Mr. Pressman, going back to what I said

11:00:42 before, would you be opposed to letting this pass with the

11:00:45 boundaries as it is today, going to the Planning Commission,

11:00:48 getting your future land use map amended and then coming

11:00:51 back and asking you for a change in the boundary?

11:00:53 >> I would like to ask consideration of any members that

11:00:57 would --

11:01:01 >> Well, we have to do that anyway.

11:01:03 If we amend our map today, and take your property, take your

11:01:06 client's property out, you would still have to get that

11:01:10 approval from the Planning Commission.




11:01:12 >> Yes.

11:01:13 >> So I don't see the point, because if you don't get that

11:01:17 approval from the Planning Commission to change the future

11:01:19 land use map, you are being out of our map does you

11:01:23 absolutely in a good.

11:01:24 >> They both have to be consistent and both be addressed

11:01:27 yes.

11:01:27 >> Exactly.

11:01:28 So that's what I'm saying.

11:01:30 Pass this.

11:01:30 I'm asking my fellow members here, pass the map today, let

11:01:35 you go to the Planning Commission, let you get your future

11:01:37 land use map amendment from the Planning Commission, and

11:01:40 then come back to us, we can always amend the map later.

11:01:43 But this is going on for quite a long time.

11:01:45 And I just would like to move this item forward.

11:01:48 >> I would just say in summary we appreciate any help.

11:01:55 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Ms. Coyle, this MLK, most of these

11:01:57 properties on both sides of the street are commercial.

11:02:00 Probably.

11:02:03 What was the reasoning for splitting the street up?

11:02:09 Why wouldn't it go across the street so it there would be

11:02:13 consistency?

11:02:16 >>CATHERINE COYLE: Actually it covers two different areas

11:02:17 which you will see probably within the next year and a half




11:02:20 on the south side of Tampa Heights, south side of MLK,

11:02:23 actually the -- the development pattern isn't terribly

11:02:27 different but that one will be coming forward as the next

11:02:29 area.

11:02:33 For your information, because most of you weren't here at

11:02:35 the time, but on the east side of the eastern portion of

11:02:38 Seminole Heights, the 40th Street planning area which runs

11:02:42 all the way to city limits, that one immediately abuts.

11:02:45 So the planning areas are ones that are contiguous to each

11:02:49 other.

11:02:49 >> And that is --

11:02:50 >> And then as we go through, we make sure that the codes

11:02:53 that get adopted align for both sides.

11:02:58 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Ms. Mulhern?

11:02:59 >>MARY MULHERN: I just want to follow up on that and I'm

11:03:02 glad you brought that up.

11:03:03 So your long-term goal, and the zoning and planning and land

11:03:09 use, is to -- even though they are different development

11:03:13 patterns on the north and the south side, I would assume

11:03:17 that that street, the idea is to be started with Seminole

11:03:21 Heights, six years ago, and then the idea that was the

11:03:26 beginning, and you are going to make them --

11:03:32 >> There's actually a provision in the comprehensive plan.

11:03:35 We are required by the comprehensive plan to do the 40th

11:03:37 Street area, Seminole Heights.




11:03:39 >> Do them separately?

11:03:42 >> We have to complete these planning areas all the way

11:03:46 through the form-based code by 2015, the policy in the

11:03:49 comprehensive plan.

11:03:51 Following our mandate.

11:03:53 >>MARY MULHERN: So my question is just that even though the

11:03:57 comprehensive plan intended to do that, but you are

11:04:03 intending to continue the same principles as you go south.

11:04:08 Is that correct?

11:04:09 You will have MLK, the commercial corridor, on MLK, will

11:04:14 have the same type of zoning and land use, when you get to

11:04:19 Tampa height.

11:04:20 >> The connecting corridor, we specifically want to make

11:04:22 sure that we don't have something so diverse from one side

11:04:25 to the other.

11:04:26 >>MARY MULHERN: It's consistent on both side.

11:04:28 Okay.

11:04:28 Thank you.

11:04:29 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you.

11:04:29 Anyone else in the audience who has not spoken care to speak

11:04:32 on item 57?

11:04:33 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Move to close.

11:04:37 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Motion to close by Mrs. Montelione,

11:04:39 seconded by Mr. Suarez.

11:04:41 All in favor?




11:04:42 Opposed?

11:04:42 The ayes have it unanimously.

11:04:44 Let's take a vote.

11:04:46 Mrs. Montelione.

11:04:46 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Thank you.

11:04:48 I move an ordinance being presented for second reading and

11:04:50 adoption, an ordinance rezoning property in the general

11:04:53 vicinity of south Hillsborough Avenue, east of Hillsborough

11:04:55 River, north of Dr. Martin Luther King Boulevard and west of

11:05:01 a boundary running south on Florida Avenue from his bore

11:05:04 Avenue to Osborne Avenue, thence running east on Osborne

11:05:08 Avenue to interstate 275 thence running south to Dr. Martin

11:05:12 Luther King Boulevard in the city of Tampa, Florida and more

11:05:14 particularly described in section 1 from zoning district

11:05:17 classifications for residential single-family RS-50 and

11:05:20 RS-60, residential multifamily RM-12, RM-16, RM-24,

11:05:25 residential office, RO and RO-1 neighborhood commercial CN,

11:05:29 commercial general CG and commercial intensive CI to

11:05:33 Seminole Heights specific zoning classification, SHRS,

11:05:37 SHRSA, SHRM, SHRO, SHCN, SH-CG and SHCI, providing for

11:05:47 severability, providing for real peel of all ordinances in

11:05:49 conflict, providing an effective date.

11:05:50 >> Second.

11:05:51 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion for approval by Mrs.

11:05:53 Montelione, a second by Mr. Suarez.




11:05:55 Roll call vote.

11:05:57 Vote and record.

11:05:57 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried with Reddick voting no.

11:06:07 >> Thank you very much for attending.

11:06:09 Item number 58.

11:06:10 58.

11:06:10 >>CATHERINE COYLE: Planning and development.

11:06:15 The direction that council gave on this particular area

11:06:17 which is the southeast sector, which is immediately to the

11:06:20 east of the one that we just reviewed, was to go back and

11:06:24 provide the maps so they were essentially lateral or

11:06:26 comparable changes.

11:06:28 The only changes that we actually needed to make were page

11:06:33 13, and those maps are on file.

11:06:35 And just as a quick reference, we went through and matched

11:06:38 up the lines, any of the introduced SHRM or SHRA has been

11:06:48 removed so the line goes the same line as before, so it's

11:06:53 essentially an equivalent change, and it's on file.

11:06:57 I'm available for any questions.

11:06:59 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Any questions?

11:07:00 Anyone in the audience care to speak to number 58?

11:07:02 58?

11:07:09 I see no one.

11:07:10 >> Motion to close.

11:07:12 >> Second.




11:07:13 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Motion to close by the right side, Mr.

11:07:15 Suarez, seconded by Mr. Cohen.

11:07:16 All in favor of the motion please indicate by saying aye.

11:07:20 The ayes have it unanimously.

11:07:21 Mr. Cohen, would you kindly take number 58?

11:07:24 >>HARRY COHEN: Move an ordinance being presented for second

11:07:26 reading and adoption, an ordinance rezoning property in the

11:07:29 general vicinity of south of Hillsborough Avenue, east of

11:07:32 interstate 275, north of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.

11:07:36 Boulevard and west of 15th street in the city of Tampa,

11:07:39 Florida and more particularly described in section 1 from

11:07:42 zoning district classification for residential single-family

11:07:47 RS-50 and RS-60, residential multifamily RM-12 and RM-24,

11:07:52 residential office, commercial general and commercial

11:07:56 intensive to Seminole Heights specific zoning

11:07:59 classifications SHRS, SHRM, SHRO, SH-CG, and SHCI, providing

11:08:09 for notice, providing an effective date.

11:08:11 >> Second.

11:08:12 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion by Mr. Cohen for

11:08:13 approval, second by Mr. Suarez.

11:08:15 Roll call vote.

11:08:16 Vote and record.

11:08:16 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried with Montelione voting no.

11:08:33 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.

11:08:33 Item 59.




11:08:34 These are staff reports, unfinished business.

11:08:36 Item 59.

11:08:38 Sonya Little.

11:08:39 >>SONYA LITTLE: Good morning, chairman, council members.

11:08:44 Sonya Little, revenue and finance.

11:08:49 At one of your prior meetings I was asked to come back and

11:08:52 give you an update of where we stand as it relate to the

11:08:54 proposed tax exempt legislation related to tax exempt

11:08:59 municipal bonds.

11:09:00 And just to give a little bit of background, something that

11:09:05 we all know, tax exempt bond have been a very critical and

11:09:10 efficient mechanism by which we can obtain funding at a very

11:09:16 low cost of borrowing in order to finance our infrastructure

11:09:20 project such as roads, bridges, our utilities, such as our

11:09:25 water and sewer facility, stormwater projects, and not only

11:09:31 for those types of structure projects but also hospitals,

11:09:35 schools and so forth, other non-profit public service type

11:09:39 organizations, do use this as a very efficiency mechanism

11:09:45 for financing and funding projects.

11:09:48 For some time now, there have been quite a bit of discussion

11:09:51 as it relate to either reducing or completely removing the

11:09:55 tax exempt status on tax exempt municipal bonds, and based

11:10:01 on why they are used, it pretty obvious that it would have a

11:10:04 tremendous impact on state and local government.

11:10:08 For us, it would certainly increase our cost to borrow, to




11:10:12 fund our structure and our major capital projects, and there

11:10:18 has been a very strong nationwide initiative to address this

11:10:23 issue with Congress and also the White House.

11:10:27 As it relates to the fiscal cliff actions that were taken

11:10:32 this past New Year's Eve, fortunately, this issue was not

11:10:36 addressed, so the tax exempt status currently remains

11:10:40 intact.

11:10:42 There is continued concern as discussions proceed related to

11:10:46 the economy with Congress that this issue will resurface.

11:10:51 So that being said, organizations such as the U.S.

11:10:56 conference of mayors, the national and state associations of

11:11:00 counties, the national and state associations of the Florida

11:11:04 League of Cities, national association of bond lawyers, and

11:11:09 many on the organizations that represent state and local

11:11:11 government, are really focused and really committed to

11:11:16 making sure that our voices are heard, specifically related

11:11:21 to the City of Tampa, our representatives in Washington, the

11:11:25 law firm of Holland and Knight, they clearly understand our

11:11:29 concern, they clearly understand the impact that either

11:11:33 reducing or completely eliminating the tax exempt status

11:11:37 other on municipal bonds.

11:11:38 What that would do to us, not just our local economy but

11:11:42 nationwide.

11:11:43 So we are moving forward to make certain that as these

11:11:47 discussions proceed that our voices are heard, and if you




11:11:51 have any additional questions or comments, I would be happy

11:11:55 to address them.

11:11:56 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Mrs. Montelione and Mr. Suarez.

11:11:58 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Mrs. Little, I asked you to come and

11:12:02 brief us on this item today.

11:12:05 It concerns me because it impacts our budget in a tremendous

11:12:10 way.

11:12:12 It limits our ability to almost to function and provide the

11:12:16 services that we need to provide to our citizens.

11:12:19 But do you have any hard numbers on the worst case scenario,

11:12:27 if the tax exempt status were to be removed, how

11:12:31 specifically that would impact our budget?

11:12:32 >> Yes.

11:12:33 I can give you an example.

11:12:35 You were aware that part of our 2013 budget that we were

11:12:39 restructuring certain of our outstanding bonds to generate

11:12:44 cash flow savings for the city.

11:12:46 We actually priced those bond last month.

11:12:50 And I had our underwriter take a portion of that bond issue,

11:12:54 roughly $13 million.

11:12:56 It was priced on a tax exempt basis.

11:12:58 And in the market on that day, had we then been forced to

11:13:04 price it on a taxable bases we would have paid more in the

11:13:07 way of anywhere between 70 to $100,000 more in interest

11:13:11 costs, so over a ten-year period we were looking at, you




11:13:14 know, anywhere between 700,000 and $800 more for that one

11:13:19 transaction.

11:13:20 And that was a smaller transaction.

11:13:22 Many of our transactions are greater than that.

11:13:24 But just to put it into perspective that, yes, in that

11:13:28 particular day in the market, and if we were forced to price

11:13:31 it in a different market environment, that spread

11:13:34 differential could be far greater.

11:13:36 >> And what could we do as a body that would help protect

11:13:43 the tax exempt status?

11:13:47 I mean, sending a letter to our members of Congress, passing

11:13:52 a resolution, or do you have any suggestions for us on what

11:13:57 motion we should take up?

11:13:59 >>SONYA LITTLE: Yes, ma'am.

11:14:00 Many on the jurisdictions are actually working with their

11:14:05 state legal of cities or association of counties, which we

11:14:07 are doing.

11:14:08 And meaning your staff, and also other organizations as

11:14:16 well.

11:14:19 But many other jurisdictions are writing letters or passing

11:14:22 resolutions and sending them directly to their congressional

11:14:27 delegation, just as another mechanism to make sure that our

11:14:33 voices are heard.

11:14:33 >> Okay, thank you.

11:14:34 So after the rest of our members here have spoken, I am




11:14:38 going to suggest that we have legal counsel draw up a

11:14:45 resolution.

11:14:46 I think that would be the stronger message than just sending

11:14:49 a letter from council.

11:14:51 So that's the direction that I would like to go with.

11:14:54 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Mr. Suarez?

11:14:55 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Ms. Little, is there a current bill in

11:15:00 Congress specific to the removing the tax exempt status of

11:15:03 municipal bonds?

11:15:04 >> No, sir.

11:15:05 Right now I'm not aware that there is a current bill.

11:15:07 But there has been discussion from some -- for some time now

11:15:12 on both side of the aisle in both houses that there are

11:15:16 proposals stirring that either the tax exempt status be

11:15:20 removed, or totally eliminated.

11:15:23 And it goes beyond just issuing bond in the future.

11:15:26 There has been some discussion of making it possibly

11:15:29 proactive.

11:15:30 So there has been quite a bit of discussion.

11:15:32 So the general sense is that we are still concerned that it

11:15:37 may resurface, and possibly turn into some proposed

11:15:41 legislation.

11:15:42 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Okay.

11:15:43 But our folks at Holland and Knight are tracking that to

11:15:46 determine whether or not a bill will be coming up through




11:15:49 the Senate, the house, concerning the specific exemption.

11:15:55 You know, one thing I wanted to ask you, Mrs. Montelione

11:15:59 touched on it a little bit, which is, in your experience, if

11:16:03 the tax exempt status is removed, because obviously we pay a

11:16:07 portion back to those investors as these bond are issued,

11:16:12 and then over the course of the life of the bond, I know you

11:16:18 gave me kind of an example of the total amount of one

11:16:21 particular bond or one particular day.

11:16:24 Is there a percentage basis that we look at, like instead of

11:16:29 us paying, you know, a half point or one point towards

11:16:33 paying interest to a particular investor, would it go up to

11:16:38 3-point?

11:16:39 I mean, what have you seen both in your experience and what

11:16:41 you have seen in terms of all your colleagues in this

11:16:45 particular field, would protect tax exempt status?

11:16:51 >> What you are referring to, Councilman, is what's called a

11:16:54 credit spread differential, and in the example that I gave

11:16:57 you, that was based on roughly a 25 to 35 point credit

11:17:03 spread differential, and it's all market driven.

11:17:06 Right now, woo what we are seeing is that the credit spread

11:17:10 differential is what's called narrow, and it's not very

11:17:15 wide, not that extreme difference between tax exempt and

11:17:18 taxable.

11:17:19 Historically over time, there have been very, very great and

11:17:23 very wide credit spreads between taxable and tax exempt




11:17:27 rates.

11:17:28 So depending, sometime in the future we could experience far

11:17:32 greater costs associated with having to issue bonds on a

11:17:36 taxable basis.

11:17:37 But even at the narrow spread, it would have cost us

11:17:42 significant amount of money.

11:17:45 >>MIKE SUAREZ: And that doesn't even take into account the

11:17:47 cost of the issuance of bonds when it's not -- you know,

11:17:51 that differential between what we are paying out and what we

11:17:55 have to pay in order to issue the bonds is a smaller margin

11:17:59 than if we have a taxable instrument as opposed to a tax

11:18:03 exempt.

11:18:04 Isn't that correct?

11:18:04 >> You are exactly right.

11:18:05 >> So it's even going to cost us more to issue bonds in

11:18:08 order to go forward.

11:18:11 And then we have to worry about how they look at bond in the

11:18:14 marketplace when it is now a taxable instrument, which means

11:18:18 that it becomes less attractive to those investors that are

11:18:22 out there.

11:18:23 I know that for the most part bonds are supposedly a safer

11:18:27 way of investing.

11:18:28 But if it becomes only a safer way of investing and not also

11:18:35 a tax exempt way, we could be issuing a heck of a lot less

11:18:39 bonds on the open market, would be my guess.




11:18:40 >> Yes, sir.

11:18:41 And what I believe you are getting at is that if the tax

11:18:45 exempt status is removed many fear that the demand for bonds

11:18:49 would go down, so as demand decreases, then the price

11:18:52 actually goes up.

11:18:53 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Exactly.

11:18:56 Thank you for interpreting what I was trying to say.

11:18:58 I appreciate it.

11:18:59 Thank you, chair.

11:18:59 I'm done.

11:19:00 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Any on the council members?

11:19:01 Let me ask the legal department something.

11:19:03 I have listened to all of this, and I'm enjoying the

11:19:06 conversation and the knowledge of that these council members

11:19:11 have and I'm trying to think how to solve a problem like

11:19:13 this.

11:19:14 It came to my mind, I don't know if it's even legal.

11:19:18 I'm a young man, compared to the tombstone, compared to a

11:19:24 tombstone I'm really young.

11:19:27 But is it legal to sell bonds to yourself, meaning this, war

11:19:32 bonds.

11:19:32 I remember when I was a kid we had war bond, then they had

11:19:36 savings bonds which nobody talks about anymore.

11:19:38 And in essence that's the government borrowing money from

11:19:40 the people, investing in themselves.




11:19:42 So if it was legal for the federal government to do it, is

11:19:46 it legal for the City of Tampa to do it, to invest in

11:19:50 yourself by putting out your own bonds to your own people

11:19:52 who would buy them?

11:19:54 Why do I say that?

11:19:55 First of all, I'm not a financial guru.

11:19:58 I'm not a legal guru.

11:20:01 But I understand math pretty good.

11:20:04 What's the interest rate now at the bank?

11:20:06 1% or less?

11:20:07 People have 5, $10 million.

11:20:09 What's the interest that you are paying now to the

11:20:12 bondholders?

11:20:14 3, 4, 5, 6%?

11:20:17 Depending on the class of the bonds?

11:20:19 So I would say this.

11:20:20 Is it possible that you create your own bonding system

11:20:24 within your own people, or other people that want to share

11:20:28 in, to build the city of the future, and invest in yourself

11:20:32 and pay a little bit higher than what they are getting at

11:20:34 the bank, the taxpayers would get a 50% reduction in cost,

11:20:39 they would get a 50% increase in their revenues.

11:20:43 And I don't see anybody could be unhappy.

11:20:45 >>SONYA LITTLE: I totally agree with you. It would be

11:20:51 ideal if we could.




11:20:52 However, we are restricted by both federal, state

11:20:58 regulations as well as the SEC and organizations like NSR B

11:21:06 that restrict how we actually loan our funds or obtain a

11:21:11 loan.

11:21:12 And in our capacity as a municipality, we are not legally

11:21:16 allowed to act in the capacity of what would be deemed a

11:21:19 bank.

11:21:20 So it puts restrictions on how we can obtain capital

11:21:25 funding, unfortunately.

11:21:27 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I understand that.

11:21:28 And we are not trying to be a bank.

11:21:30 We are not loaning money, we are borrowing.

11:21:32 We are trying to be -- but I guess there's more regulations

11:21:36 in this country that prohibits the right thing of doing

11:21:38 things than anything else.

11:21:39 >>SONYA LITTLE: In addition to that, our city counsel just

11:21:48 pointed out it's also in our city charter that limits the

11:21:51 way --

11:21:52 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Well, those things can be change in the

11:21:53 future No. me but somewhere in the future.

11:21:55 But I understand now.

11:21:56 You can tax the people about you can't ask them to make you

11:21:59 a loan.

11:21:59 >>SONYA LITTLE: But for through the capital market that we

11:22:04 currently do by issuing bonds.




11:22:06 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Sure.

11:22:07 So that 1% can always live on the high hog of the 99%.

11:22:11 I understand that very clearly.

11:22:13 Thank you very much.

11:22:13 I really appreciate it very much.

11:22:15 Moss Montelione.

11:22:17 >>LISA MONTELIONE: At this time I would like to ask our

11:22:21 City Council attorney to work with our city attorney to

11:22:24 draft an ordinance -- I'm sorry, a resolution to be sent.

11:22:30 Resolution to be sent to our legislative delegation, and if

11:22:37 you vote, or whoever, with the administration and meet with

11:22:42 Mr. Shelby to craft such a draft resolution, and meet with

11:22:47 members of council for their input, I would appreciate that,

11:22:51 because while there is no bill at the moment come forward to

11:22:57 be heard on the floor, if enough jurisdictions across the

11:23:03 country do this, it may keep this bill from even coming out

11:23:08 of a committee.

11:23:09 And if we can keep it from coming out of a committee, that

11:23:12 would be the best that we could ask for.

11:23:15 So Mr. Shelby, if you can work with our administration, and

11:23:22 see if we can bring something back.

11:23:25 Again, this is nothing on the floor of the house or the

11:23:28 Senate at the moment, and we all know they don't move very

11:23:32 quickly, we can maybe look forward to hearing that in March.

11:23:36 We have what seems a rather light calendar in March.




11:23:40 Looking at March 7th.

11:23:42 For a report.

11:23:43 >> Council, if you wish, I can do that sooner.

11:23:46 >> We can do that.

11:23:47 >> Do you want to do it sooner?

11:23:50 Okay.

11:23:50 Then let turn back a page.

11:23:52 February 7th?

11:23:57 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I'll meet with council members

11:23:59 individually to review it.

11:24:01 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have Mr. Suarez, then Mrs. Capin in,

11:24:03 that order.

11:24:04 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you, chair.

11:24:07 The only suggestion I would make to Mrs. Montelione, I think

11:24:10 that it's much more important, we do have a bill in front of

11:24:13 a particular committee, primarily because it gives a little

11:24:17 bit more focus to where our legislative delegation is at.

11:24:21 I have nothing but in favor for trying to get a resolution

11:24:25 from us to our delegation throughout the state, but I do

11:24:30 think that it may be just too broad at the moment when we

11:24:34 have a bill to see specifically what it is.

11:24:36 I think it's easier to do.

11:24:37 And actually pay much more attention when they have a bill

11:24:40 before them as opposed to a genres lugs.

11:24:48 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Then we might want to wait till March.




11:24:52 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I think we can work with our CFO and city

11:24:54 attorney and the folks over at H&K, the first moment that

11:24:58 there is even a sniff of a bill coming to the committee, and

11:25:04 Ms. Little, I'm not sure which committee it would go to for

11:25:07 the Senate or for the house.

11:25:09 I think probably ways and means.

11:25:12 I'm not positive about that.

11:25:13 But the way that they change committee assignments now, it's

11:25:16 kind of hard to say where this bill might line up.

11:25:23 >>JIM SHIMBERG: City attorney.

11:25:24 I think the only question I would have in connection with

11:25:27 the little crisis we are facing by the end of February,

11:25:30 increasing the debt limit, other things, they could piece

11:25:32 together something very quickly without having to go through

11:25:35 the normal process that we are familiar with.

11:25:37 It might be good to go ahead and get on record faster if we

11:25:41 can do that.

11:25:43 I'm sure they are not going to hold back and wait --

11:25:47 >>MIKE SUAREZ: The only reason I said it in that way is

11:25:49 because we have seen over the past, you know, few month that

11:25:53 in Congress we never know where the heck they are going.

11:25:56 So when there's something more focused, might be a little

11:26:00 different.

11:26:00 Unfortunately, there may be trade-offs in any particular

11:26:03 deal that we are going to lose out on regardless of whether




11:26:05 or not we run a resolution and whether or not there's a

11:26:09 bill.

11:26:09 I just think that when there is a bill forthcoming, I think

11:26:13 that it's targeted to specific members of the house or the

11:26:19 Senate that we can send it to, because when we send to the

11:26:22 our general delegation, it still doesn't get to those

11:26:24 committee members that have to look at the bill.

11:26:27 So it makes it a little easier for us to figure out really

11:26:31 where is the pressure point, and where can we effectuate

11:26:35 some kind of leverage against this --

11:26:38 >> Sure.

11:26:39 But if it was part of something like that put together right

11:26:42 at New Year's, you wouldn't really have any time and it

11:26:45 would be part of the larger deal.

11:26:47 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I understand.

11:26:48 I'm not arguing about --

11:26:51 >>JIM SHIMBERG: Every one of them has very strong

11:26:53 constituents that say you don't want to mess with that.

11:26:55 And so I think just to go on record saying that we have a

11:26:59 concern that that issue could have a detrimental effect on

11:27:06 our ability to borrow.

11:27:09 I think putting that on record, you are right, there might

11:27:11 be a more targeted effort at a later date.

11:27:13 But it might just come together very fast as part of the

11:27:16 deal.




11:27:16 >>LISA MONTELIONE: And if I may.

11:27:19 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Wait, let me finish my thought on this.

11:27:24 I agree with what you are saying.

11:27:25 But we are trying to figure out what the heck Congress is

11:27:29 doing.

11:27:36 We have to figure out what they are going to do.

11:27:38 It doesn't matter if we make a resolution now and we make it

11:27:43 based on what the bill is.

11:27:45 They are going to move either fast or slow based on what

11:27:47 their own negotiations are regardless of what we say.

11:27:50 So I have no problem what to do in a resolution that says,

11:27:53 you know, we would like to keep municipal bonds tax exempt.

11:27:59 I have in a problems with.

11:28:00 That I'm just thinking about in the future if you are going

11:28:02 to be writing it make sure that we are tracking whatever is

11:28:04 going on in Congress, because there may be bills filed today

11:28:07 that we don't know about that deal specifically with this.

11:28:10 So I think that we just need to make sure that we are

11:28:13 keeping our eye on the ball for specifics, and not just a

11:28:16 general resolution, and then it goes forward.

11:28:19 I like to keep this as a continue --

11:28:24 >> Absolutely,.

11:28:28 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Two words I don't want to hear again.

11:28:29 Tax exempt.

11:28:30 Ms. Capin.




11:28:34 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Okay.

11:28:40 If we are done I will second Mrs. Montelione's motion

11:28:45 because -- I'm sorry, a motion on the resolution -- because

11:28:53 later if we find that there is a specific bill, we can

11:28:55 address that.

11:28:57 And we can keep sending resolutions.

11:29:00 So I second it.

11:29:03 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: We have a resolution motion by Mrs.

11:29:05 Montelione, second by Mrs. Capin.

11:29:09 >>YVONNE CAPIN: The new tax exempt.

11:29:14 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.

11:29:14 >>LISA MONTELIONE: That would be February 7th, 10 a.m.

11:29:18 under staff reports.

11:29:19 Then as Mrs. Capin said, once we hear that, get through the

11:29:23 resolution, we can always then, if there is a bill, draft

11:29:28 alert, ask for alert be signed by our chairman, and send a

11:29:31 copy of that resolution to whoever sits on whatever

11:29:34 committee that bill is coming out of.

11:29:35 >> All in favor of that motion please indicate by saying

11:29:38 aye.

11:29:39 Opposed nay.

11:29:40 The ayes have it unanimously.

11:29:41 Thank you so very much.

11:29:42 >> Thank you for your support in this matter.

11:29:45 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: We go to item number 60.




11:29:47 >>REBECCA KERT: Assistant city attorney.

11:29:53 I am here to report on a recent Florida Supreme Court case,

11:29:59 specifically State versus Catalano.

11:30:02 As now we have been following this case for some time, the

11:30:04 Second District Court of Appeal issued an order, I believe

11:30:07 in, May of 2011.

11:30:08 But right before the holiday, the Florida Supreme Court

11:30:11 issued a ruling on this.

11:30:13 This case dealt with a challenge to Florida statute section

11:30:16 316-3045 which dealt with noise emanating from a motor

11:30:22 vehicle, specifically it prohibited any noise that came from

11:30:27 motor, very that were plainly audible by 25 feet, except for

11:30:31 noise that dealt with political speech or commercial speech.

11:30:37 The state office specifically adapted some rules some

11:30:40 explain what plainly audible met.

11:30:42 Mr. Catalano, as a defendant in this case, raised the

11:30:46 challenge that the standard was unconstitutionally vague as

11:30:49 well as overbroad in violation of the first amendment.

11:30:53 The Florida Supreme Court found that the statute of as a

11:30:57 whole was unconstitutional in, some because the state had

11:31:01 determined that political speech and commercial speech could

11:31:04 be played as loudly and as often as you wanted from a motor

11:31:08 vehicle.

11:31:09 The state Supreme Court felt that the statute encompassed

11:31:14 too much protected speech and protected the prohibited




11:31:17 speech, although all this other commercial speech and other

11:31:20 speech was allowed.

11:31:22 For our purpose, it was positive to note, although it's

11:31:26 unfortunate the statute was declared unconstitutional, that

11:31:28 the Supreme Court took a step further and said even though

11:31:31 Tampa statute as a whole was struck down, the plainly

11:31:34 audible standard was not unconstitutionally Vegas the Second

11:31:38 District court of appeals had found.

11:31:40 What that means for us is that the plainly audible standard

11:31:42 is a tool that the city can look to use in the future in our

11:31:46 regulation and combating noise and nuisances.

11:31:50 What I would ask is for the City Council, if you would, to

11:31:54 set a workshop on this issue.

11:31:56 At the current time, one of the things we are looking at is

11:31:58 what we currently have is the decibel level regulation.

11:32:03 And that works very well in certain situations and not so

11:32:05 well in other situations.

11:32:07 So we are looking how we can add the plainly audible to not

11:32:10 putting in our current regulation at risk.

11:32:13 And we would like an opportunity to explain some of the pros

11:32:15 and cons of the various options.

11:32:17 >>MIKE SUAREZ: As Ms. Kert knows, I have been calling her

11:32:22 quite a bit about this over the past year, after the first

11:32:26 portion of this had gone over to the Supreme Court.

11:32:30 I would like to move to make sure that we do have a workshop




11:32:34 on February 28th at 9:00 a.m.

11:32:38 >> Second.

11:32:39 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I think we have two or three different

11:32:41 things on that.

11:32:42 I don't think it's a heavy calendar.

11:32:45 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Mr. Cohen and Mr. Reddick.

11:32:47 >>HARRY COHEN: We did agree on the 28th that we weren't

11:32:50 going to add anything to that agenda because of the alcohol

11:32:52 beverage permit.

11:32:53 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Correct.

11:32:55 I apologize.

11:32:56 And if I could, yes, let see, March 28th will be the

11:32:59 next one.

11:33:00 Let me amend that to March 28th, 9 a.m.

11:33:03 >> Second.

11:33:04 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Motion by Mr. Suarez to have this

11:33:05 workshop March 28th at 9 a.m.

11:33:07 Second by Mr. Reddick.

11:33:09 Further discussion by council members?

11:33:10 All in favor of the motion?

11:33:11 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Before we go forward if I could clarify what

11:33:14 I would like to see in plains of the plainly audible, please

11:33:18 bring that forward, but in addition, see what aspects of our

11:33:21 current noise ordinance that we have that can be kept or

11:33:27 scrapped based on what the Supreme Court decision is.




11:33:34 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion on the floor and a

11:33:35 second.

11:33:35 All in favor of that motion?

11:33:37 Opposed?

11:33:37 The ayes have it unanimously.

11:33:39 Thank you all very much.

11:33:41 Item number 61.

11:33:42 >> Bob mock Don a, economic development.

11:33:50 At the City Council meeting, we were asked by Mrs.

11:33:54 Montelione and council about the process the city follows to

11:33:58 keep an eye on our leases and how accurate we are and what

11:34:02 financial obligations we look at.

11:34:04 The City of Tampa uses web based real estate software

11:34:08 program.

11:34:09 As of December 20th, 2012, the city monitors 226 leases.

11:34:14 And the real estate department uses it to track expiration,

11:34:21 lease license expiration, deadlines for specific

11:34:23 performances required by individual agreements.

11:34:26 The city's accounts receivable department receives funds and

11:34:30 notifies the real estate department if there are any

11:34:32 shortcomings.

11:34:34 As of December 20th, there were seven with deficiencies.

11:34:39 One of the deficiencies was a lease we had with GTE

11:34:42 financial --

11:34:43 >> I'm sorry, how many?




11:34:45 >>BOB McDONAUGH: 7 out of 226.

11:34:47 And the first one was a notice that there was going to be a

11:34:51 lease expiration.

11:34:52 The city was in a longer leasing the property.

11:34:54 The lease was going to expire.

11:34:57 The second one was with St. James United Methodist Church.

11:35:00 A reminder that the agreement will expire on April 7, 2013.

11:35:05 Real estate and legal is currently drafting to extend the

11:35:08 term of the agreement.

11:35:09 Number 3 was a lease with Hillsborough County for skyway

11:35:13 park, and since that date, the council has approved an

11:35:17 extension of the agreement with Hillsborough County for

11:35:20 skyway park.

11:35:22 Number 4 is a lease with the department of environmental

11:35:25 protection.

11:35:27 It's a remainder because the agreement requires a management

11:35:29 plan review by the party at least every five years.

11:35:33 Parks has just received the updated management agreement and

11:35:35 is sending it via intraoperative mail from the real estate

11:35:40 department.

11:35:40 The fifth one was the Stewart's foundation which was the

11:35:44 cause for I believe the question.

11:35:46 Number 6 is a lease with a licensing trust, D.O.T., a

11:35:52 reminder because the lease expired on July 24, 2006.

11:35:56 FDOT is treating this as a month to month and are receiving




11:35:59 rents due.

11:36:00 The purchase department and legal department are working on

11:36:02 a grew agreement.

11:36:04 Number 7 was the Boys and Girls Club was a reminder because

11:36:07 the agreement required to install lights within a park

11:36:11 within three years of the effective date, and they had not

11:36:13 done so.

11:36:18 Out of the seven events none of them were causal to the city

11:36:21 to have any financial loss.

11:36:22 They were actually -- the two that remain outstanding are

11:36:26 leases that one of the tenants, each of the tenants did not

11:36:31 do required work within the lease.

11:36:32 >>HARRY COHEN: Thank you very much, are there any comment

11:36:38 or questions from council members?

11:36:39 Mr. Reddick.

11:36:40 >>FRANK REDDICK: Thank you, chair.

11:36:43 Mr. McDonaugh, even though it appears there are seven, I

11:36:46 think you say out of 200?

11:36:50 >>BOB McDONAUGH: 226.

11:36:51 >>FRANK REDDICK: 226.

11:36:56 Is there an obligation for the city, even though it's 7 or

11:37:01 1, someone defaults on a lease agreement, to either enforce

11:37:05 that lease agreement or you terminate it, or vacate it, or

11:37:10 do something?

11:37:11 But just go on record saying 7 out of 226, and that's a




11:37:17 small personal, but still --

11:37:20 >> Excuse me for interrupting, but out of the even the there

11:37:23 are only two that have an outstanding obligation.

11:37:25 The other five have been cured or in the process of being

11:37:28 cured.

11:37:28 >> Okay.

11:37:29 And out of those two, what plans have been developed to

11:37:34 enforce the lease?

11:37:38 >>BOB McDONAUGH: One is the steward foundation which I

11:37:40 think we discussed that extensively.

11:37:43 And I don't think at the current time that the

11:37:45 administration has chosen to cancel that lease.

11:37:51 And the second one is the boys an girls club, who are

11:37:55 responsible for adding lights, and at the current time I

11:37:59 don't think the Parks Department has advocated canceling

11:38:01 their lease either.

11:38:02 >>FRANK REDDICK: Is that the boys and girls club on North

11:38:08 Boulevard?

11:38:09 >> Yes, sir.

11:38:11 >> Adjacent to the same --

11:38:13 >> The same park.

11:38:14 >>FRANK REDDICK: Some you have two agencies that are in

11:38:16 default at one location.

11:38:17 >> That's correct.

11:38:19 >>FRANK REDDICK: And the city is not going to enforce this?




11:38:23 >>BOB McDONAUGH: Not at the current time, no.

11:38:25 >>FRANK REDDICK: Is there a reason for that?

11:38:33 >> At the current time I believe the Parks Department feels

11:38:35 the city is not being damaged by their lack of performance

11:38:40 by either of those leases.

11:38:42 The Boys and Girls Club continues to provide a valuable

11:38:46 service to the people in the community.

11:38:48 And in light of the fact that after the Parks Department

11:38:52 starts working with the community about what the

11:38:54 redevelopment will be, I'm sure that the Boys and Girls Club

11:38:57 will be -- it would not make sense to put lights up right

11:39:00 thousand if there's going to be a redevelopment.

11:39:02 I'm sure that they will readdress this issue with you the

11:39:06 Boys and Girls Club when the park plans are finalized.

11:39:10 >>FRANK REDDICK: Last comment, Mr. Chairman.

11:39:17 Bob, it bothers me that I keep hearing the words

11:39:22 redevelopment.

11:39:25 And then I hear there's no plan.

11:39:27 >> Correct.

11:39:28 >> For the park.

11:39:29 But everything is going to be this week to tell them that.

11:39:35 Now, it just bothers me that because there must be some

11:39:40 development at this park, because you have got two agencies

11:39:45 that have a lease agreement with the city, and they are

11:39:49 not -- even though they are in violation, because there's a




11:39:54 future plan for development, and, you know, out of those 226

11:40:01 organizations, I'm pretty sure all of them provide a service

11:40:04 to the city.

11:40:05 And as part of their agreement, but if I was one of those

11:40:15 who had a lease agreement with the city, and I'm sitting

11:40:18 here and saying -- hearing representatives from the city,

11:40:23 from the chief of star or anybody else, the city attorney,

11:40:31 economic development, anyone, tells me that we are not going

11:40:34 to move forward, enforcing a lease agreement because a

11:40:39 future at the time -- I mean, I would have a serious problem

11:40:43 with the city.

11:40:44 >>BOB McDONAUGH: Mr. Reddick, again, again I was not part

11:40:49 of the administration --

11:40:51 >>FRANK REDDICK: I understand that.

11:40:52 >>BOB McDONAUGH: But my understanding is the thrust of

11:40:56 agreeing to what the Boys and Girls Club built a facility

11:40:58 there was that their primary mission was to provide

11:41:02 after-school care and athletic opportunity for the people in

11:41:05 that community.

11:41:06 Which they do on a daily basis.

11:41:08 The main thrust of that agreement was not about putting

11:41:11 lights in the park.

11:41:12 It was about providing service.

11:41:14 The steward foundation, their main thrust was not about

11:41:18 getting the building built.




11:41:19 T their main thrust was providing recreational opportunities

11:41:22 for citizens in the City of Tampa.

11:41:24 Both of those organizations continue to provide those

11:41:28 services and value to those citizens and the people of

11:41:32 Tampa.

11:41:32 >> The only problem, we have a signed, sealed, lease

11:41:39 agreement with the City of Tampa.

11:41:44 And take the steward foundation.

11:41:46 25 year agreement for one dollar a year.

11:41:51 In that contract, they also state they are to provide

11:41:55 certain things in the same time frame, which they have not

11:41:58 done.

11:41:59 They have requested extensions.

11:42:02 They were granted extensions.

11:42:03 They still have not done what was supposed to be done.

11:42:07 And now, if the Boys and Girls Club is supposed to put

11:42:15 lights in the park, that's an agreement.

11:42:17 So if I got an agreement with the city, and you are telling

11:42:23 me I can do it and get away with it, then that's a problem.

11:42:30 And what you are saying two organizations out of 226 because

11:42:34 the city is focusing on future development in a park that no

11:42:42 one, the residents who are receiving services don't want

11:42:45 that to happen, but you are saying those two people can get

11:42:48 away with this because we got future plans, future

11:42:51 development for a riverfront, waterfront, or whatever, down




11:42:58 at Riverfront Park, and that is not fair to those 200 some

11:43:04 organizations.

11:43:06 And our city attorney stood here two weeks ago and said,

11:43:12 yes, steward foundation, they are in default.

11:43:15 >>BOB McDONAUGH: May I respond respectfully, sir?

11:43:20 Because I believe that each of those entities are giving the

11:43:22 city value with their occupancy.

11:43:26 Again, your thrust is upon these improvements, and that they

11:43:31 are in default of their lease because of that, and

11:43:35 technically you are correct.

11:43:37 But the reason that each of those entities for those

11:43:39 organizations were given leases within as city park was to

11:43:42 provide recreation facilities for the citizens of Tampa, and

11:43:45 both of those companies or organizations continue to provide

11:43:49 those services.

11:43:50 >>FRANK REDDICK: Well, my final comment, Mr. Chair, on this

11:43:55 is if I'm sitting home watching this on TV, and whether I'm

11:44:04 a senior citizen, lay person, handicapped, disability, I

11:44:07 would be mad as hell to sit here and hear that someone is

11:44:15 benefiting when other people have the same opportunity to

11:44:21 provide -- and provide services to this city, provide

11:44:24 programs to this city, but they are not benefiting because

11:44:28 the city feels two organizations in an area downtown that

11:44:35 they want to expand, and in a riverfront area, where they

11:44:39 have future plans for development, they are going to give




11:44:43 them the benefit to default, and that is not fair to all of

11:44:47 those other people who provide services to this community.

11:44:51 All of those 200 people that you mention, all are providing

11:44:57 services because they got a contract.

11:44:58 They got a lease agreement.

11:44:59 And if you are going to allow two, because this city feels

11:45:06 they are going to provide a redevelopment benefit, they need

11:45:11 that service down there, they need that area for

11:45:14 redevelopment.

11:45:15 If I am hitting home watching this, I would be frustrated, I

11:45:20 would be mad as hell, and I think it's a disservice to all

11:45:24 of those 200-some-plus organizations, and also a disservice

11:45:28 to not only to those people who represent this city, because

11:45:33 you are telling me they don't have to put in their lights,

11:45:37 and they got a legal contract from the city, they don't have

11:45:41 to put in that boat ramp because they have a written

11:45:44 contract from the city, but the mayor and his administration

11:45:49 and those in city management are saying we are going to

11:45:55 default, we are going to allow them to default, because they

11:46:01 are providing the services to the City of Tampa.

11:46:03 And that's a disservice to the people and taxpayers in the

11:46:08 City of Tampa.

11:46:09 That's all.

11:46:10 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you, Mr. Reddick.

11:46:11 I believe the order is Mrs. Montelione, Mrs. Capin, Mr.




11:46:15 Suarez.

11:46:15 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I just had my aide retrieve the backup

11:46:18 because somehow the chart that I had with all the leases on

11:46:21 it and the date of execution was left out of my book, or I

11:46:26 took it out and didn't put it back in.

11:46:31 When we discussed this the first time, we had the chart of

11:46:35 all of the leases that were pertaining to the park, I

11:46:41 believe.

11:46:44 Because the information came up about the steward

11:46:45 foundation.

11:46:46 So it was not only their lease but the others.

11:46:49 So I don't have -- and I'm not sure if you will know, when

11:46:53 was the Boys and Girls Club lease executed?

11:46:58 >>BOB McDONAUGH: Let me see if I can find that out

11:47:00 information.

11:47:00 I don't know off the top of my head.

11:47:02 >> And I ask that question because I want to know if it

11:47:08 was --

11:47:10 >> 2004.

11:47:12 >>LISA MONTELIONE: 2004.

11:47:13 And the steward foundation?

11:47:15 2003.

11:47:16 So thank you, Mr. Reddick.

11:47:19 So there was at some time back in the early 2000s to bring

11:47:27 about some activity in this park to benefit the residents,




11:47:32 and part of this park's location is the accessibility that

11:47:40 individuals who live across the street have to this park.

11:47:45 And there are some basketball courts that get quite a lot of

11:47:51 activity, but the Boys and Girls Club and the steward

11:47:54 foundation, one hasn't built a built building that they were

11:47:59 supposed to build and the other hasn't put in lights they

11:48:02 were supposed to put in.

11:48:03 So at some point back in 2000, there was some plan of what

11:48:07 this park was going to look like, because it was going to

11:48:09 have the boys and girls club and was going to have the light

11:48:12 and was going to have the building, and all of this was

11:48:14 going to be for the benefit of our citizens.

11:48:22 Now, when we execute an agreement now, because even though

11:48:25 there are no solid plans for the park right now, as you have

11:48:31 said repeatedly, I'm sorry, we all know there were going to

11:48:36 be changes to this park sometime in the recent, you know,

11:48:40 before we retire, I think, so there will be changes made to

11:48:44 this park.

11:48:47 >> Speak for yourself.

11:48:48 [ Laughter ]

11:48:49 >> I'm older than you are.

11:48:51 I'm closer to retirement age.

11:48:56 So when we decide that what that park is going to look like,

11:49:03 and we execute agreements with people who are going to carry

11:49:05 out the plans for this park, are we also going to put a




11:49:11 little asterisk and say, you know, you don't have to comply

11:49:17 with these provisions ba us the previous plan in 2000 has

11:49:19 provisions with their tenants and they didn't comply with it

11:49:23 either.

11:49:23 So this is the residence that we are setting here.

11:49:26 And I am very proud of our real estate staff.

11:49:29 Let me say that from the get-go, that out of 226, there are

11:49:35 only seven that are out of compliance, and all but two are

11:49:39 being -- are either in process or being brought into

11:49:43 compliance, and therefore regular things.

11:49:47 But having worked, to track leases, I did this for

11:49:52 NationsBank back in the day for the entire State of Florida,

11:49:55 I can tell you that our system wasn't perfect.

11:49:58 You know, there were things that were not entered again

11:50:02 before your tenure probably with the city, about of my

11:50:05 tenure at the bank, people entered information, sometimes it

11:50:08 was accurate, sometimes it wasn't.

11:50:10 We didn't know until a problem arose.

11:50:15 All of a sudden we missed something.

11:50:16 So even though right now this looks great, 7 out of 226, and

11:50:22 there may be some wiggle room in there.

11:50:24 But what really concerns me is that we had a plan for this

11:50:29 park apparently back in the early 2000s, late 1990s, to

11:50:35 bring about improvements to this park for the citizens, for

11:50:39 the residents, and we are at some point in the next few




11:50:43 years going to look at planning again.

11:50:46 And we are going to execute agreements about other entity.

11:50:50 And there is a precedence set that we didn't require our

11:50:56 folks to meet their obligations before, so, you know, people

11:51:02 aren't necessarily going to take it seriously.

11:51:03 And I know that the staff will do everything they can to

11:51:09 make those agreements within the realm of possibility for

11:51:14 whatever tenants we have in that park.

11:51:18 We can't expect a nonprofit organization that has limited

11:51:23 abilities to fund raise, and a small number of staff to

11:51:29 launch a capital campaign for $20 million to build a

11:51:33 facility.

11:51:34 It's not within the realm of possibilities.

11:51:37 So we really need to be more diligent and more realistic

11:51:41 when we are asked, when we are executing agreements with

11:51:46 what that agreement consist of.

11:51:48 Because it does us no good to set people up for failure.

11:51:54 And I support what the Boys and Girls Club does.

11:51:56 I support what the steward foundation does.

11:51:59 That was never an issue.

11:52:01 It was never a question of are they doing gad work for the

11:52:05 city?

11:52:05 Are they providing value for our citizens?

11:52:07 Absolutely.

11:52:08 We are talking contracts.




11:52:09 And we are going to get to an item of an audit later on

11:52:12 about another department where details matter.

11:52:17 And oversight matters.

11:52:20 And we are here to protect the dollars and the citizens of

11:52:28 this city.

11:52:28 So I strongly encourage that when we move forward, we have

11:52:34 it specific in our contract, providing that will not only be

11:52:39 realistic but they will be enforced.

11:52:41 And I don't know the light were meant for, but in the talk

11:52:46 of lights having pedestrian light and streetlight put in, we

11:52:50 all know that lights decrease crime.

11:52:53 And in neighborhoods where crime may be an issue, if we can

11:52:59 have those lights to prevent something from happening, that

11:53:03 would be a wonderful thing.

11:53:04 So I don't know why we would think that lights in a park at

11:53:08 light aren't really necessary.

11:53:14 >>JIM SHIMBERG: City attorney.

11:53:16 I just want to address what Mr. Reddick and what Mrs.

11:53:19 Montelione just said.

11:53:20 First of all, Mr. Reddick, you are absolutely right, the

11:53:23 city does not enter into contracts with people and then

11:53:26 allow some people to not follow the contract and on the

11:53:29 people require them to follow it.

11:53:31 The only issue that I think we have been trying to say, with

11:53:35 Mr. Corrada from previous meetings, what are our




11:53:40 initiatives -- one of our initiatives overs the next few

11:53:43 years is to work on the redevelopment of the west bank of

11:53:45 the river, North Boulevard, the Housing Authority is working

11:53:48 on that, there's a developer recently been hired to look at

11:53:52 that whole area, coordinate with the school board, the city,

11:53:55 the county, Housing Authority, to tray to look at the

11:53:57 redevelopment of that entire area, which includes Riverfront

11:53:59 Park.

11:54:01 I believe the city has set aside some money over the next

11:54:05 few years to use.

11:54:07 To set aside money to redevelop that park.

11:54:12 A process will be undertaken.

11:54:15 It's not been really started yet to talk to the citizens and

11:54:18 everybody else who has a stalk hold to try to talk about

11:54:21 what the appropriate redevelopment of that park is going to

11:54:23 be.

11:54:25 I think differently than what happened at the time.

11:54:28 I think those were individuals, neither Mr. McDonaugh or I

11:54:33 were involved at the time, but you had a not-for-profit come

11:54:37 to the city and had some great plans and wanted to do great

11:54:40 things in the property with the Boys and Girls Club, they

11:54:42 put up money and put up a nice building there, there were

11:54:47 some obligations to put up some lights on the ball field

11:54:50 which apparently they haven't done, and the steward

11:54:56 foundation didn't build the boat house that they were




11:54:59 supposed to build, and maybe you are right, the city

11:55:01 shouldn't have put that in the agreement and should not have

11:55:03 required them to do something that they had no ability to

11:55:06 do.

11:55:06 I wasn't involved in those negotiations.

11:55:08 So both of you are absolutely right.

11:55:10 And I think the only thing that we are trying to say here is

11:55:13 we do not condone anybody being in default of an agreement

11:55:16 with the city.

11:55:17 But all we are saying is before we go back to those groups

11:55:20 and say we need to amend your lease, we are not necessarily

11:55:24 going to throw you off the property, but amend your lease to

11:55:28 take out something that you can't do or that we in a longer

11:55:30 want you to do, we thought that the effort to look at how

11:55:35 that park is going to be ultimately redeveloped should be

11:55:37 undertaken.

11:55:38 Because if we go to the boys and girls club now and say, put

11:55:41 the lights in or don't put the lights in, we know that's

11:55:43 actually going to be a ball field in the redone park, and we

11:55:47 don't want to go back when we don't have all the

11:55:50 information.

11:55:51 That's the idea that I think we are trying to convey.

11:55:54 You are absolutely right, there's in a excuse for them being

11:55:56 in default or for us agreeing to putting something in their

11:55:59 lease that they don't have the financial ability to do.




11:56:01 So --

11:56:04 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Just a second.

11:56:06 >>JIM SHIMBERG: You are absolutely right.

11:56:07 We'll go back and we'll convey this to the mayor and the

11:56:10 administration, but we are here saying that as of today the

11:56:14 mayor is not recommending that the lease be canceled.

11:56:19 We are recommending that we amend them but we are trying to

11:56:21 have all the information before we go back and A. them.

11:56:23 That's really what we are saying.

11:56:24 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Thank you for that interruption.

11:56:28 It was important.

11:56:29 But Mr. McDonaugh, you retract -- the plans are not in the

11:56:37 works to change the park.

11:56:40 And since we all know how long it takes us to develop a

11:56:48 plan, to go through the stakeholder meeting, to put

11:56:51 something -- you know, we have contracts with an architect

11:56:55 and planner to send it tout bid.

11:56:57 How many years are we talking about that we might see

11:57:02 changes in the parks?

11:57:03 And throws nothing in the works right now to change the

11:57:09 parks.

11:57:09 >> Right.

11:57:10 I would need to ask Greg Bayor when he's planning to

11:57:13 undertake interviews with the community and start the

11:57:16 outreach.




11:57:18 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Suffice to say we are probably looking

11:57:20 at three to five years at a minimum.

11:57:22 >> Maybe three years.

11:57:23 The channel district park they did in 18 months but again

11:57:27 this is a much larger park.

11:57:29 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Much larger park, much more stakeholder

11:57:31 participation, I would hope, and Mr. Reddick would hope as

11:57:34 well.

11:57:34 So --

11:57:36 >> I had four neighborhood meetings with the Channel

11:57:38 District park.

11:57:39 I did quite a bit of neighborhood --

11:57:41 >> Okay. Anyway, so if we are looking three to five years,

11:57:46 and that's even before we start construction.

11:57:52 So what I'm saying is -- and I don't have it here in front

11:57:57 of me is when the Boys and Girls Club lease is executed and

11:58:00 when that requirement for the lights were to kick in.

11:58:04 This community is going to be without those lights, which

11:58:09 are very important to safety and security of our children,

11:58:13 in our park, and our adults as well, for a number of years.

11:58:18 >> Mrs. Montelione, let me get a set of plans for the

11:58:21 existing light in the park right now because that park is

11:58:23 not without lights.

11:58:25 That's not accurate.

11:58:26 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I am referring to the lights of the Boys




11:58:28 and Girls Club.

11:58:29 >> I don't know if it was for their parking lot or what it

11:58:31 was for.

11:58:32 >> Well, bring that back.

11:58:35 Thank you.

11:58:36 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Mrs. Capin.

11:58:41 >>YVONNE CAPIN: (off microphone) okay.

11:58:43 In here, the real estate department was not tracking this or

11:58:47 not aware these lease were in default.

11:58:50 That's not the truth.

11:58:51 What's happening is we are very aware of what leases -- I am

11:58:55 sure our real estate office knows what leases we have.

11:58:58 I am sure they know which ones in default.

11:59:01 This is a matter of choosing not to enforce.

11:59:05 And if you read a standard lease, it will state may not

11:59:17 enforce the lease.

11:59:18 And it's receiver rehabilitate.

11:59:24 It is very -- it is done in commercial.

11:59:26 It is done in private.

11:59:28 And through this recession, that may have been the plan in

11:59:34 2000.

11:59:34 But we went through a recession.

11:59:36 And it's a commercial real estate holder.

11:59:40 I have been where we have not -- lot allowed tenants who

11:59:46 were there for a very long time, either reduce their rent or




11:59:49 not pay their rent to be able to catch up.

11:59:51 It was better than having a vacant place.

11:59:56 These two have provided an exceptional service to our city

12:00:00 and to the community.

12:00:02 And I understand that choice.

12:00:04 I understand that.

12:00:06 To make it look like they don't know what they are doing in

12:00:09 our real estate office is a disservice to our real estate

12:00:12 office.

12:00:13 And to our legal department and to the choice that you

12:00:17 weigh, you weigh the benefits.

12:00:21 And the benefit are obvious of these two entities in this

12:00:26 park, and that every park in this city belongs to every

12:00:29 citizen, no matter what neighborhood it is in.

12:00:32 The neighborhood may be close.

12:00:34 People move close to parks because it enhances their value

12:00:40 of life.

12:00:42 So when I hear this, and this rhetoric, this lease did

12:00:51 not -- is not void.

12:00:53 This can be enforced at any time.

12:00:55 If you do not pay the rent, you still owe the renters even

12:00:58 if you live there two years without paying rent.

12:01:02 That lease is enforceable.

12:01:04 And that rent is due.

12:01:07 So with that, it is just -- now, the point is -- I want to




12:01:19 bring this up.

12:01:20 Because Mr. Reddick and the others are absolutely right.

12:01:23 There is a plan for this park.

12:01:25 There is obviously a plan.

12:01:27 Because earth charter came to me and asked me to help them

12:01:37 with their next event in November of this year.

12:01:42 And this is over a year ago.

12:01:44 They wanted to go to the Heights.

12:01:47 But then I was told, and not too long ago, maybe in November

12:01:53 or October, October, that, no, that's going to be in the

12:01:56 construction, would they consider Julian lane.

12:02:02 So I sent them there to Julian lane, said see if that works

12:02:07 for you, it's a big event, MOSI, south Florida, everybody is

12:02:11 involved in this.

12:02:11 I come to find out just this past Tuesday that they were

12:02:15 told that they are looking now at Curtis Hixon because they

12:02:19 were told that they could not be at Julian lane in November

12:02:23 of next year because they will be under construction.

12:02:25 So that part is -- that part -- and I will bring the people

12:02:30 from earth charter here that are working on this, that's

12:02:36 exactly what they were told.

12:02:38 So to be told that there's no plan for that is just absurd.

12:02:42 It's not true.

12:02:44 Now, as far as the lease and throwing people out and

12:02:47 enforcing leases, it's done all the time.




12:02:50 It's a matter of weighing the benefits, the benefits to the

12:02:54 city outweigh these people being brought to -- and the

12:03:00 circumstances on the economy, everybody knows what happened

12:03:02 with the economy.

12:03:03 That's all I need to say.

12:03:05 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Before I go to Mr. Suarez, I need 30

12:03:07 minutes.

12:03:08 >>HARRY COHEN: Motion to extend 30 minute.

12:03:09 >> I have a motion by Mr. Cohen, second by Mr. Suarez.

12:03:12 All in favor of the motion please signify by saying aye.

12:03:15 Mr. Suarez?

12:03:16 >> Thank you, chair.

12:03:18 I'm going to try to make this as brief as possible.

12:03:20 Mr. Shimberg, if I could ask you a couple of questions.

12:03:25 Whenever we are talking about contract law, you know, Mr.

12:03:28 Cohen is the only attorney on here.

12:03:30 I goat play one on TV, but, you know, I want to ask an

12:03:34 attorney that has to deal with this all the time, which is

12:03:36 when we are talking about contract law, we are talking about

12:03:40 consideration, meaning that there's something of value that

12:03:42 you are giving and something that you are getting.

12:03:44 Two parts.

12:03:45 Obviously, this is not a monetary value that we are getting

12:03:49 from this lease.

12:03:52 Other than the improvements that supposedly is supposed to




12:03:55 include the lights from the boys club, that's supposed to be

12:03:58 there.

12:03:59 But essentially, the value there is to provide a service to

12:04:02 those kids in the neighborhood that are able to become part

12:04:07 of the Boys and Girls Club, correct?

12:04:09 >> Yes.

12:04:12 >> So we are not talking about dollars and cents here.

12:04:15 Whether or not they put the lights in there.

12:04:17 There's still some value that we get by virtue of it, and I

12:04:20 think Mr. McDonaugh mentioned it previously.

12:04:23 I am going to ask you a hypothetical and ask you to be as

12:04:26 brief as you can in terms of this hypothetical.

12:04:29 And hypotheticals aren't fair.

12:04:31 They are for me, not for you.

12:04:33 So I just wanted you to know that.

12:04:35 What I am asking is not a fair question.

12:04:39 If the administration was planning to redevelop or repurpose

12:04:43 or redesign -- and I think redesign is probably the wrong

12:04:47 word, but redevelop the property, because here is what we

12:04:49 have heard outside of these chambers from neighborhoods.

12:04:54 They were going to redevelop that property.

12:04:57 What would the role be, one, of the City Council in terms of

12:05:02 taking away a park or the use of that park for a different

12:05:08 purpose?

12:05:08 And B, what would be the public input that would have to go




12:05:14 forward in order for that to be redeveloped?

12:05:18 When I say redeveloped, meaning literally changing the use

12:05:22 of the park from a park to something else.

12:05:24 And I want you to answer that in the hypothetical, I think,

12:05:29 because I don't think there's any plan to redevelop the

12:05:31 park.

12:05:35 >>JIM SHIMBERG: First of all, Mr. Doc McDonaugh and I just

12:05:38 finished a year long practice at the Urban Land Institute,

12:05:42 the program that the city participated in, which looked at

12:05:44 that entire area that I mentioned, the 150 acres or so.

12:05:49 There has never, ever, in my understanding, ever been any

12:05:53 discussion about doing anything other than a park there,

12:05:57 never.

12:05:57 I think the mayor once mentioned --

12:05:59 >> Let me interrupt you for a second.

12:06:02 Hang on.

12:06:02 Mr. Shimberg, I asked you a hypothetical.

12:06:05 What it would take -- you know, my point is it park land

12:06:10 now.

12:06:10 And it probably not going to be park land later unless there

12:06:14 is some other -- and just stop for a second.

12:06:17 Listen to what I'm saying.

12:06:19 I'm asking you this question for specific reasons.

12:06:21 And the specific reason is, the neighborhood surrounding

12:06:25 that park, the neighborhoods north of that park, the




12:06:28 neighborhoods that are just west of that park, believe that

12:06:32 something is happening, okay.

12:06:35 So the hypothetical goes directly to what we are hearing

12:06:38 outside of these chambers.

12:06:40 And that may be a problem that you are going to have in

12:06:42 terms of answering that question, not you specifically, but

12:06:44 the administration, as to what the designs for that

12:06:48 particular park is.

12:06:49 We have heard from Mr. Barren in the past saying there may

12:06:54 be a redesign for the park because of the way that it looks

12:06:58 and to open up more vista towards the river, some on the

12:07:02 parts of it.

12:07:02 There have been discussions as to whether or not we are

12:07:04 going to keep the Steward foundation or not based on what

12:07:08 the efficacy of having, you know, the boat launched there.

12:07:13 There's a lot of other things that we are talking about.

12:07:15 But the main thing that people are talking about outside of

12:07:18 these chambers has to do with redevelopment.

12:07:20 And unfortunately you have you had a choice of words during

12:07:23 one of your notions, you said redevelopment.

12:07:27 Probably is not the word you should have chosen if you are

12:07:29 going to redevelop.

12:07:31 I would say redesign, if it's just still going to be a park.

12:07:35 That's just my suggestion to you.

12:07:36 Now, the hypothetical is, if the administration says, you




12:07:41 know what?

12:07:42 We don't want to be parking, we want to redevelop and make

12:07:45 it into something else.

12:07:46 What the process that they would have to go through and we

12:07:49 would have to GOP through in order to do it?

12:07:51 We probably have to rezoning it, I would guess.

12:07:54 >>JIM SHIMBERG: Mr. Shelby, I don't know if you have the

12:07:56 charter there.

12:07:57 I think it's a referendum.

12:07:58 A referendum.

12:08:00 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: If it's a park it has to be approved by

12:08:02 the people through a referendum.

12:08:03 >> Thank you, Mr. Shimberg.

12:08:10 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: You're welcome, Mr. Miranda.

12:08:11 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Any process that goes farther, what we are

12:08:14 truck to rechange, or rezoning something that specific, that

12:08:20 is not a simple administrative process in which the

12:08:23 administration would be able to go above the people or

12:08:29 around the people to make that park into something other

12:08:32 than a park.

12:08:34 >>JIM SHIMBERG: Correct.

12:08:35 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Okay.

12:08:36 I think that we have more of a public relations problem with

12:08:39 this park, based on things that were in the press

12:08:43 previously, and based on I think the inability of the




12:08:47 administration to go out there and engage those citizens

12:08:50 that are most worried about this, I was at the west

12:08:54 riverfront homeowners association, I believe it was in

12:08:57 November, specifically this question was coming up

12:09:02 constantly.

12:09:03 I made the same comment that Mr. Miranda just made in terms

12:09:05 of what could happen to a park, which is that it would have

12:09:08 to go to a referendum.

12:09:10 I wanted you to answer it.

12:09:12 I I'm glad Mr. Miranda answered it.

12:09:15 But nonetheless it is one of those processes that has not

12:09:18 been communicated by this administration.

12:09:20 We have got to make sure that people understand that

12:09:23 redesigning a park doesn't mean you get rid of a park.

12:09:25 >> Correct.

12:09:28 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Adding programs to a park doesn't mean you

12:09:30 get rid of a park.

12:09:31 Having the boys club there or not having the boys club there

12:09:34 doesn't mean we get rid of the park.

12:09:36 So I think there are two separate issues here, the legal

12:09:40 issue which is we can't do it without some kind of

12:09:42 referendum, and the second issue which you are

12:09:44 communicating, not you per se but communicating to those

12:09:48 neighbors that don't understand the process and keep asking

12:09:50 us, what the heck is going on with the park?




12:09:52 And I think that's a big issue.

12:09:55 So that's the reason why all these questions are coming up

12:09:57 at this point.

12:09:58 So I just want to make sure that we move forward on that,

12:10:01 and make sure that that is communicated to the

12:10:04 administration.

12:10:05 I appreciate it, Jim.

12:10:07 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you.

12:10:07 Mrs. Mulhern.

12:10:08 >>MARY MULHERN: Thank you.

12:10:09 I wasn't going to say anything, but I do want to add that

12:10:12 since especially since I have been on council that we have

12:10:15 made a lot of changes and additions to the park.

12:10:18 So it can't be changed from a park, but we certainly put

12:10:22 restaurants in, and there have been commercial, you know,

12:10:24 partnerships, and the leases.

12:10:26 So I think that I appreciate what you are saying.

12:10:30 But I just want to make clear that the reality, though, none

12:10:34 of those things happen without public hearings and coming to

12:10:38 council, and we would have to approve them.

12:10:40 So it's not like any -- I not like there won't be a public

12:10:44 hearing, but I do appreciate the neighbors wanting more

12:10:48 information, and feeling like they are not getting --

12:10:51 there's not been transparency.

12:10:54 It sound like what we are hearing is there hasn't been good




12:10:58 communication.

12:10:58 >>BOB McDONAUGH: Well, no, obviously if there were this

12:11:03 many questions and concerns about something being taken away

12:11:06 from people then we are not doing a good job and maybe the

12:11:08 Parks Department start scheduling meetings with the

12:11:11 neighborhood and say, hey.

12:11:13 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Mrs. Capin.

12:11:15 >>YVONNE CAPIN: You are right about the Parks Department,

12:11:16 because you know Tuesday when I found out that earth charter

12:11:22 said in October I was prevented to looking at Julian lane,

12:11:25 and then Tuesday it was announced that, no, they are going

12:11:27 to be looking at Curtis Hixon because Julian lane may be

12:11:30 under construction, now who was sitting there with me?

12:11:33 The parks director.

12:11:34 And he looked like, really?

12:11:35 It's going to be under construction?

12:11:37 Thank you.

12:11:38 So when you say the Parks Department, the Parks Department

12:11:41 needs to be informed as to what the administration has

12:11:44 intended.

12:11:44 Because he, Mr. Bayor, was not aware of what happened to

12:11:51 these people, because he was the one that suggested Julian

12:11:54 lane back in October.

12:11:56 And then Tuesday at a meeting, it is announced that they are

12:12:03 going to try to be at Curtis Hixon because Julian lane may




12:12:06 be under construction, and what happened was Mr. Bayor was

12:12:11 sitting there, and it was a surprise to him.

12:12:13 >>BOB McDONAUGH: Sure.

12:12:15 Well, the question to schedule is a parks employee.

12:12:19 The person that they would have had a conversation with

12:12:21 about scheduling parks is a park employee so apparently

12:12:27 someone in the Parks Department had some misinformation.

12:12:31 I'll say it again.

12:12:35 >>YVONNE CAPIN: So much misinformation that it's going to go

12:12:39 to another park when they prefer Julian lane, and had that

12:12:44 not been mentioned in front of the parks director, these

12:12:48 people would have continued moving on with Curtis Hixon.

12:12:53 Is Julian lane available or not for November 13th?

12:12:57 And the director, parks director was sitting there and could

12:13:01 not answer that.

12:13:02 >>BOB McDONAUGH: There's in a reason it shouldn't be

12:13:05 available.

12:13:06 But apparently one of their employees is misinformed.

12:13:11 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Any further?

12:13:13 Mr. Reddick?

12:13:15 >>FRANK REDDICK: Let me just close by saying, what was

12:13:19 brought up by Mr. Suarez, and I think with the northwest

12:13:25 Tampa neighborhood association, they have facilitated a

12:13:30 meeting on the 24th with the Steward foundation, and the

12:13:35 West Tampa group, for -- I won't be there Mace, but I think




12:13:41 as a follow-up with Mr. Suarez, I think one thing will help

12:13:50 ease the resident in this community, if the big man mountain

12:13:53 big house across the hall will start making all these

12:13:56 comment to the press about the park, that is what is causing

12:14:01 the problem.

12:14:02 So maybe you need to convey to the big man in the big house

12:14:07 to stop making these comments.

12:14:09 And when he's speaking over there about development and re

12:14:13 development and what he wants to see in a Riverwalk, that

12:14:17 will cause attention.

12:14:19 So if you convey that message to the big man.

12:14:23 >> I will also have conversations with the Parks Department

12:14:24 about maybe it's time that they do a road show with the

12:14:28 neighborhood and say, look, you know, we don't have a plan.

12:14:41 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: This is the most planned-unplanned park I

12:14:43 have ever seen in my life.

12:14:44 I have never seen a plan for a plan these not planned.

12:14:47 And it's double talk.

12:14:48 And that's what we received for the last hour.

12:14:51 Not from you, sir, from everyone.

12:14:53 Because where assumptions are based on no facts I.want to

12:15:00 continue moving.

12:15:01 I have 17 minutes to finish this agenda.

12:15:03 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I would Luke to remind everyone that I

12:15:07 brought this item to ask real estate to look at the leases




12:15:14 and what we have in default.

12:15:16 It wasn't about the park.

12:15:17 >>BOB McDONAUGH: I understand.

12:15:20 >>LISA MONTELIONE: When you brought this up it wasn't about

12:15:22 the park.

12:15:22 So I just --

12:15:25 >>BOB McDONAUGH: If this issue was out there, then how many

12:15:27 others are out there?

12:15:30 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Right.

12:15:31 And that's the thrust of my job.

12:15:33 I mean, the way I see it is to -- you know, that's all we

12:15:38 all do.

12:15:39 It's a check and balance system.

12:15:40 So I was inquiring.

12:15:41 It was a simple inquiry.

12:15:45 I didn't mean for this whole can of worms to be opened up

12:15:47 about the park.

12:15:48 Maybe we should schedule another day discussion for that.

12:15:52 But thank you very much for bringing this forward.

12:15:54 Thank you for the good news of only 7 out of 26 -- 226, and

12:16:03 of those, they are minor.

12:16:09 And I appreciate that.

12:16:10 I appreciate the work of the real estate department and

12:16:12 thank you very much for all of the due diligence that the go

12:16:17 good folks there do.




12:16:19 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Let us know if there are any changes.

12:16:20 Number 62.

12:16:22 And please, when you are going to come, please sit up front.

12:16:32 I'm pressed for time and I need to move this calendar.

12:16:35 >> Can I have the PowerPoint, please?

12:16:42 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I understand that.

12:16:44 He's got it.

12:16:45 >> Good morning, council.

12:16:48 Thom Snelling, planning and development.

12:16:53 This is to provide you an update on some of the homeless

12:16:57 activities that we have working on since the last time.

12:17:05 The motion itself asks for an update.

12:17:16 A large part of this motion has to do with the activities of

12:17:20 the steps forward program which is a program we have been

12:17:24 working with in the past with Hillsborough County, county

12:17:26 commissioner, and mental health center, lightning, and those

12:17:32 individuals, and primarily, bringing up to speed on right

12:17:40 now they have completed the cypress landing project, part of

12:17:46 the steps forward program, and they are focused on the

12:17:48 chronic homelessness or the chronically ill homelessness

12:17:53 population in order to take those folks and find them

12:17:58 permanent places to live.

12:17:59 This particular project has provided 24 units, and right now

12:18:03 they are in the process of identifying the eligible and

12:18:07 chronically homeless individuals that will be able to live




12:18:09 here in this.

12:18:12 As you can see, there are some standard upgrades and rehab.

12:18:17 And the reason I show you this, not a big deal, you have

12:18:19 seep rehabbed apartment buildings and stuff before.

12:18:22 Again, before and after some of the court yards that are

12:18:26 there.

12:18:26 But the point is -- and this is the building that is

12:18:28 complete -- and this is the important part -- is this looks

12:18:33 like virtually any other multifamily apartment complex.

12:18:38 It's not like the built-in stigma you get from being a

12:18:41 homeless person.

12:18:42 It's 24 units and people are living there and going about

12:18:45 their daily life.

12:18:46 And that's really the point.

12:18:47 And that's where the city is also going to continue to

12:18:49 participate with this group as they continue to find, look

12:18:54 for additional chronically homeless individuals or

12:18:56 opportunities to reduce that population.

12:19:02 What has happened and where we have been involved is with at

12:19:05 the end of September, early October, housing urban

12:19:09 development area, deputy director for the area, regional HUD

12:19:15 office here, they presented what is being called as the

12:19:19 interagency come up on homelessness, it's a major initiative

12:19:22 and pushed by HUD, and the city was asked to participate.

12:19:26 We obviously did.




12:19:28 Go to this.

12:19:29 And one of the committees that we are on is the chronically

12:19:32 homelessness subcommittee along with Mike Merrill,

12:19:35 Hillsborough County, and the individuals that are working on

12:19:37 that subcommittee.

12:19:39 The slide we just showed you is a result of how those

12:19:42 programs are going to focus.

12:19:44 The other thing that has happened is in the last general

12:19:48 meeting they decided to establish, fully recognized the need

12:19:53 for affordable housing subcommittee.

12:19:55 That was a meeting I was not at and as a result like any

12:19:57 meeting you don't attend, you are made to be the chairman of

12:20:01 that group.

12:20:01 So now the city, myself, and my staff, we are the chair of

12:20:04 the affordable housing subcommittee for this work.

12:20:07 This afternoon we are having our second meeting, will be my

12:20:09 first one that I have attended, and I will be glad to keep

12:20:12 you up to speed on how that is going.

12:20:15 But why we are very happy about that is that what this

12:20:22 individual, the affordable housing, a slide you have seen

12:20:27 before, this is the slide you looked at six, eight months

12:20:30 ago, and I want to draw your attention to the 50% area

12:20:33 median income, number of units.

12:20:36 What that does, and what affordable housing does, the

12:20:39 individuals that live in the 50% area median income units




12:20:42 that are made available for them, they are literally, but

12:20:46 for one paycheck that they miss, or two paychecks that they

12:20:50 mist, away from homelessness, our ability, the city's

12:20:54 ability to continue to provide a greater supply of that area

12:20:59 or that portion of affordable housing for these individuals

12:21:05 and these families will do a lot in the proactive and

12:21:08 preventive portion of homelessness.

12:21:11 And that's one of the things that this interagency council

12:21:14 on homelessness real recognizes is that there is a huge

12:21:17 spectrum of what homeless is.

12:21:19 The first part, and you talk about the chronically homeless

12:21:23 and people working on that, and we are tangentially

12:21:27 participating in that.

12:21:28 Affordable housing is another big portion of that.

12:21:30 And you need to continue to supply those kinds of things.

12:21:33 Frankly we do a fairly decent job of making our dollars go

12:21:36 as far as we can with the provision of that type of housing,

12:21:38 and now as the chair we will be looking at that and making

12:21:47 sure we are getting the greatest number of units for the

12:21:50 amount of dollars allowed to us.

12:21:53 So that was what was developed over '11 and '12, and a

12:21:57 project we just completed which again supplies an additional

12:22:00 50% area median income homelessness opportunity, the housing

12:22:04 opportunity for potentially homeless individuals, was just

12:22:10 on Bayshore Boulevard, ribbon cutting.




12:22:13 You can't really see it but it was on Wednesday or Tuesday.

12:22:16 Merisol.

12:22:18 We went out there and cut some ribbons.

12:22:21 Oh, Councilman Suarez and Councilman Cohen were there.

12:22:24 So that is open right now, 75% occupied.

12:22:28 I fully expect within the next few month it will be

12:22:31 completely occupied with individual.

12:22:32 And we do have additional, some additional MSP dollars

12:22:38 available where we will continue to solicit projects to go

12:22:44 ahead and find additional opportunities to expand on that

12:22:47 type of facility.

12:22:48 Just some before and afters.

12:22:53 Again the important part, the reason I'm showing you this,

12:22:56 if you look at that, it looks like an apartment that I lived

12:22:59 in when I was in college.

12:23:00 So the more that you can just have these kind of facilities

12:23:05 blend in to neighborhood and not stand out as any kind of a

12:23:08 stigma, the better off it's going to be.

12:23:13 I know you are on a bit of a schedule if you have any

12:23:17 questions.

12:23:18 So that's what my group has been doing over the past.

12:23:21 We will continue to work with this ICH group.

12:23:28 They have had almost two dozen different agencies involved.

12:23:30 And it seems to have a lot of very important theme at this

12:23:34 point.




12:23:35 Councilwoman Montelione served on that committee.

12:23:39 Actually, I think around on one of your subcommittees.

12:23:43 That's anker with where I will be using staff resources to

12:23:46 expand and continue to participant in revolving this

12:23:49 problem.

12:23:50 A couple of members will be participating and helping in the

12:23:53 homelessness coming up, a couple of staff members there, so

12:23:58 using our resources, and as many different facets as we can.

12:24:02 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Thank you.

12:24:05 And I appreciate your report and glad to see you back at the

12:24:08 he podium, Thom.

12:24:10 I know that you are still in the recoup ration stage but it

12:24:14 is good to see your face again.

12:24:16 You and I had a discussion yesterday in our briefing about

12:24:20 this and on the items on the agenda and off the agenda.

12:24:24 And we are -- being that I do serve on that committee as a

12:24:31 subcommittee chair, and sit on the affordable housing

12:24:37 advisory board with you for all of Hillsborough County, and,

12:24:41 you know, work in the area of trying to provide affordable

12:24:47 sustainable housing for our citizens, not just the homeless

12:24:50 ones but those who want are a paycheck away and those who

12:24:55 are maybe less fortunate than ourselves.

12:24:57 But I always feel -- and I will continue to feel that we can

12:25:01 do more.

12:25:03 And you and I talked about that yesterday.




12:25:08 We are working through that.

12:25:09 I mean, that's one of the reasons why the federal government

12:25:15 in the form of HUD has directed the Atlanta office to take

12:25:19 more interest in us.

12:25:20 We are one of the three cities chosen, where secretary of

12:25:26 HUD has decided that resources were going to be allocated.

12:25:31 However, they are not allocating fund.

12:25:33 I want to make that absolutely clear.

12:25:35 We are not getting additional moneys from the federal

12:25:37 government to end homelessness by 2015, but they do -- they

12:25:46 have staff, and it's going to be a long road and a challenge

12:25:52 to put all those individuals who need services on the roles

12:25:58 and the books of service providers.

12:26:00 It's going to take money.

12:26:01 And it's going to take participation from the public and

12:26:04 from the Chamber of Commerce members, and from, you know,

12:26:07 various different support, applications that we can apply

12:26:13 for, which is why I am disappointed we don't have a

12:26:16 full-time staff grant writer in place yet, because it's

12:26:19 going to take someone with a lot of talent to get us more

12:26:23 money, as little as available.

12:26:26 But we need to continue this conversation.

12:26:29 I know we have differences of opinion on how people should

12:26:35 be brought in to the system.

12:26:39 And I still think this is a step in the right direction.




12:26:44 But I still think that we need a tiered approach.

12:26:47 I think that housing, a place for individuals who may be

12:26:54 aren't ready for the type of apartment that you showed in

12:26:57 the presentation, to get some of the services they need to

12:27:02 get a shower, to grab a meal, to apply for some of the

12:27:06 services, to get an I.D. card.

12:27:11 We don't have a one-stop shop.

12:27:13 And I'm not saying that the one-stop shop is the answer.

12:27:17 I'm saying that it's a step.

12:27:20 It is one of a series of processes that we could apply to

12:27:27 taking the homeless off the street.

12:27:29 You know, we want a city that is bright and shiny and

12:27:32 vibrant and attractive.

12:27:34 And to bring in the economic development.

12:27:36 And that's why early on I talked to the then chair of the

12:27:40 chamber and the incoming chair of the chamber, that it is an

12:27:44 economic development issue as much as it is a human services

12:27:48 issue.

12:27:49 I attended a showing of FDR at the Tampa Theatre on Sunday,

12:27:54 and, you know, it's hard to develop an asset like the Tampa

12:27:57 Theatre and encourage people to go there when there are

12:28:02 individuals who are, you know, down on their luck, who need

12:28:07 services, who need a place, who are ow on the street.

12:28:16 There was a fresh market going on in Gas Lyke park there.

12:28:20 Were wonderful things going on in the city.




12:28:21 But there are also things that are not, you know, being

12:28:27 prioritized.

12:28:28 And I think that we need to do more.

12:28:31 And I'll do everything that I can to work towards that goal.

12:28:37 And I just hope that in the administration we find some

12:28:41 resources, and we find some money in this next budget cycle

12:28:44 coming up.

12:28:46 It's a long way off.

12:28:47 But we find additional money, because that's what it going

12:28:50 to take.

12:28:51 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Okay.

12:28:51 I'm sorry but I am going to have to enforce the five minute

12:28:54 rule, because I'm going way over my time.

12:28:57 Not your time, my time.

12:28:59 Your time is forever.

12:29:00 >>HARRY COHEN: Motion to extend for an additional 30

12:29:04 minutes.

12:29:05 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion by Mr. Cohen for an

12:29:06 additional 30 minutes.

12:29:07 Second by Mr. Suarez.

12:29:09 All in favor of the motion please indicate by saying aye.

12:29:11 Opposed nay.

12:29:12 The ayes have it unanimously.

12:29:18 Pardon me?

12:29:20 >> I'm just very upset because we had a discussion on parks




12:29:23 during an item that I brought up that had to do with real

12:29:25 estate, and parks had nothing to do with it, and we spent an

12:29:28 inordinate amount of time, each member probably exceeding

12:29:31 five minutes before.

12:29:32 We talked about homeless.

12:29:33 And now we have to limited to five.

12:29:35 >> If you want to speak again you are entitled to speak the

12:29:37 second time.

12:29:38 >> No, I was done.

12:29:39 I just -- that's me.

12:29:40 >> It's not that you can't speak.

12:29:43 I'm trying to get this meeting moved.

12:29:44 And I'm just saying, in abstract, and I am not talking about

12:29:51 you specifically, I'm just making a comment of what I see.

12:29:54 And if it doesn't fit it doesn't fit.

12:29:56 I'm sorry.

12:29:57 But if you want to put a clock, if you want me he to time

12:30:00 you and time myself and time the rest us --

12:30:03 >> I want to see it applied fairly and I want it to be

12:30:06 applied to topics that are heavyweighted and very --

12:30:11 >> And dealing with homeless, just probably more important.

12:30:19 I will venture to say it is more important than a lease

12:30:22 agreement in a park.

12:30:23 >> You are the first one to speak on this em the.

12:30:26 I am going to ask the other council members.




12:30:28 And I have other council members that I have to address the

12:30:30 same conversation with.

12:30:32 And I don't want to do that.

12:30:34 I'm keeping to the five minutes.

12:30:35 I'm letting everyone know.

12:30:36 And I'm sorry if that doesn't fit the Shaw.

12:30:39 Any other council member care to speak?

12:30:45 Go on, continue, sir.

12:30:48 >>THOM SNELLING: I'm done with my presentation, council.

12:30:52 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Would you like to speak again, Ms.

12:30:54 Montelione?

12:30:56 >>LISA MONTELIONE: No.

12:30:59 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Then were you done?

12:31:00 >>LISA MONTELIONE: No.

12:31:01 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'm sorry, go on.

12:31:02 Item 63.

12:31:03 You continue K.D. requested a continuation to February

12:31:06 21st.

12:31:07 Am I correct?

12:31:09 >>THOM SNELLING: Yes, sir.

12:31:12 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Yes, sir. Of 2013.

12:31:19 Second by Mr. Cohen.

12:31:20 All in favor of the motion please indicate by saying aye.

12:31:22 Opposed nay.

12:31:24 The ayes have it unanimously.




12:31:25 Item 64.

12:31:27 Is this also a request, to February -- that was done

12:31:39 earlier, I believe.

12:31:40 We go now to item 65.

12:31:42 >>THOM SNELLING: Can I have the PowerPoint, please?

12:31:59 Again, this is an extensive motion.

12:32:02 What I have done is broken it down and identified each item

12:32:06 as A, B, C.

12:32:11 Moving through the conversation.

12:32:13 The first item on that list had to do with the application,

12:32:16 or the applicant waiting list.

12:32:19 What we have and what I submit towed as part of the overall

12:32:22 report was combined unduplicated total, and upwards of a

12:32:27 thousand people.

12:32:27 Since that time, since that list was finally put together,

12:32:32 my office housing community development received additional

12:32:36 phone calls which we have referred to the existing agencies

12:32:39 that have some funding, and they have been added to the

12:32:42 list.

12:32:43 It a list that unfortunately grows every day.

12:32:46 I will never be able to give you a fine nature, final list,

12:32:49 because it does increase by a couple of housing unit and

12:32:56 couple of individuals each day.

12:32:58 Like I say, the additional people have contacted my office,

12:33:01 and we have made the appropriate referrals that we were able




12:33:03 to do.

12:33:04 One of the big items that came up with helping to prioritize

12:33:08 folks that are on that list, and what we discovered as we

12:33:10 talked to some of the agencies is that they each have their

12:33:14 own prioritization type list that they use.

12:33:18 It isn't always first come first served.

12:33:20 What we did discover is that a lot of the agencies, they put

12:33:23 at the top of their list health and safety, people are

12:33:26 living in unsafe, unsanitary, problematic health

12:33:31 environments.

12:33:31 They tray to address those as fast as possible.

12:33:35 Virtually all of the agencies that work on this kind of

12:33:37 thing have that as a very high priority.

12:33:40 And then they broke it down.

12:33:41 What we have here, some of the on the things that have come

12:33:45 up.

12:33:45 What our recommendation is at this point is that what is

12:33:49 really needed in our opinion is that you have a

12:33:51 prioritization list that is applicable city-wide, and that

12:33:55 the people who will help develop that list will be the

12:33:57 not-for-profits that are out there doing the work.

12:34:00 Not only them, it will also include city staff as well as my

12:34:04 building contractors and inspectors because they are the

12:34:06 ones looking at these houses as they are done as well as the

12:34:09 contractors who are actually doing the work, because they




12:34:11 will have an opinion about whether or not, you know, what

12:34:17 kind of things are the most important, because they are in

12:34:20 the trenches, on the front lines seeing these kinds of

12:34:22 things so that will be one of the things we will work on in

12:34:25 the future, in the near future to try to develop a

12:34:27 city-wide, that makes a great deal of sense for everybody

12:34:31 involved.

12:34:34 There was a lot of discussion about the city staff who

12:34:37 reviewed this.

12:34:38 Initially, two years ago, last year, and this previous year,

12:34:43 the budget office and the previous manager of housing

12:34:46 community development assigned city staff.

12:34:49 There wasn't this misnomer, and that's my fault there, was

12:34:53 no real complete in the sense that the committee made

12:34:57 recommendations.

12:34:58 These were basically and simple staff reviews, and they used

12:35:02 the criteria that was identified in the RFP, which I gave

12:35:06 you a copy of that.

12:35:07 There was ten or eleven different criteria, point totals

12:35:11 given to that.

12:35:12 City staff evaluated the applications against that criteria

12:35:15 and assigned it a numerical value.

12:35:17 There were no recommendations made.

12:35:19 They simply turned in the numbers, tallied the numbers and

12:35:22 the numbers spoke to themselves.




12:35:24 So there was in a real committee formed.

12:35:26 So there wasn't anything like that that took place.

12:35:35 This item D has to do with some of the referrals, and it

12:35:39 also really had to do with the $20,000 cap.

12:35:46 That's a city oh determined number.

12:35:47 There is no federal or state or county ordinance or policy

12:35:52 that identifies that number.

12:35:54 It is a city number that we have used in the past.

12:35:58 You know, after being involved in this program for my very

12:36:01 limited time in the past, you know, eight months, eight, ten

12:36:04 month, I realize that some decisions have to be made about

12:36:08 some type of a triage program, because it's very difficult

12:36:11 to have the ability to spend $20,000 on somebody who is

12:36:16 certainly very deserving.

12:36:17 There is a potential that if you spend four or five thousand

12:36:22 dollars and help four or five people that you help five

12:36:24 individuals stay in their home for another 15 years versus

12:36:28 one individual, it's a very tough decision, and I think

12:36:31 that's where the prioritization list will come to bear in

12:36:34 terms of how you spend some of those dollars.

12:36:41 Finding additional funds.

12:36:43 That's tough.

12:36:44 I just can't manufacture money.

12:36:46 We rely heavily on the state and local grant.

12:36:50 (Bell sounds)




12:36:52 That's me.

12:36:53 One, one glimmer of hope is that you have affordable closure

12:36:58 dollars that is still kicking around up in the legislation,

12:37:00 how exactly they are going to allocate that money and how

12:37:03 they are going to spend that money is unknown at this time.

12:37:06 We are hopeful that they will allocate some of that money

12:37:09 back to a ship-like program that will make owner occupied

12:37:14 rehabilitation an eligible activity.

12:37:16 We have talked to state representative Betty reed who

12:37:20 understand it is need for that money and does Congresswoman

12:37:23 Kathy Castor.

12:37:24 They both said they would lobby and make sure the people who

12:37:27 needed to hear that this kind of funding whats necessary at

12:37:29 the local level controlled by local individuals, that those

12:37:35 individuals would be sure that that message was loud and

12:37:38 clear at the state level.

12:37:39 So hopefully Congresswoman or representative reed is the

12:37:46 senior member there, is very well respected, and I have

12:37:48 heard that she's very tenacious when it comes to things like

12:37:53 this so we have talked about finding additional fund.

12:37:56 The other thing that I do want to touch on very quickly is

12:37:59 that when you are trying to find additional funding, the

12:38:03 whole motion of leveraging and partnership is huge.

12:38:06 The individual agencies that we are proposing to fund today

12:38:10 have leveraged their dollars extensively.




12:38:13 On the agencies that have worked there, they work with

12:38:16 corporate partnerships.

12:38:17 There's one group who did not get funding ironically this

12:38:20 time, because he just really botched his application

12:38:24 terribly.

12:38:26 That 75% of his funding sources come from private sector and

12:38:31 corporate partnership.

12:38:32 Only 25% of the housing repaired houses that he does comes

12:38:37 from city dollars.

12:38:38 So that is really the ultimate goal.

12:38:41 How to help more individuals.

12:38:43 And as well, the other thing very quickly mentioned, we have

12:38:46 been meeting with Congresswoman Kathy Castor and

12:38:49 representative reed and all of the non-for-profits including

12:38:53 Hillsborough County has come to the table to find ways to

12:38:55 not offer duplicative services, to leverage with other

12:39:01 agencies that are doing weatherization exclusively,

12:39:03 expanding the weatherization dollars, someone that can fix

12:39:06 windows, because their money is eligible for that because

12:39:09 they can't fix a roof and someone else's money might be

12:39:12 eligible.

12:39:13 So creating those additional partnerships, that conversation

12:39:16 is underway and spearhead board of director representative

12:39:20 reed and Kathy Castor, and we will continue to expand those

12:39:23 opportunities.




12:39:23 >> Okay.

12:39:31 Right now everybody is calling my office, our office,

12:39:35 Campbell and Michelle, handling the calls, adding to the

12:39:39 list but we still refer them to the agencies, the agencies

12:39:42 that actively are proposed to receive funding so they will

12:39:44 continue to do that.

12:39:47 Frankly, I don't know what kind of a real hardship exist, if

12:39:52 somebody calls and we refer them, say call these on the

12:39:55 three numbers to get on their list as well.

12:39:57 Hopefully with a single list and a single prioritization

12:40:00 effort.

12:40:01 Some of that kind of activity will be like a clearinghouse

12:40:05 when you are making a single call you get added to that

12:40:08 list, will be forthcoming.

12:40:12 The RFMP process.

12:40:15 What we discovered here is that -- and again, I sent you a

12:40:18 copy of that -- is that this particular proposal, you know,

12:40:23 you can see that, it started on April 2nd.

12:40:27 That was the request.

12:40:28 We had a workshop answering questions as we typically do.

12:40:31 And we move through this process, and then you see I have in

12:40:35 italics down on May 21st, the initial curve ball that

12:40:39 really started, reevaluate how the dollars were a warred as

12:40:45 well as what kind of moneys would be eligible for this kind

12:40:47 of activity.




12:40:48 That is right after -- or that is when HUD came down, they

12:40:52 looked at our books, they did their site visit and then they

12:40:56 packed up and they went back to Jacksonville or Tallahassee,

12:40:59 wherever they came from.

12:41:00 I think it was Jacksonville.

12:41:02 And then we continued through the process, to have a couple

12:41:07 of concerns, because we typically do -- because lead paint

12:41:14 is not included in a particular file, and we fund it and

12:41:17 those are relatively very minor things that we take care of

12:41:19 and they virtually happen frequently.

12:41:22 But as you can see on July 3rd, once again, I have that

12:41:28 in italics, that's when we got a letter from HUD that said

12:41:32 that the way that we were awarding our CHDO Community

12:41:39 Housing Development dollars, is illegal, an ineligible

12:41:42 activity, and the $800 that we have had initially earmarked

12:41:45 for that was no longer eligible to be used for this purpose.

12:41:50 We stepped back.

12:41:51 We retooled.

12:41:52 We decided to take that $800, leverage it with some other --

12:41:58 800,000.

12:41:59 800?

12:42:01 I would be in trouble.

12:42:03 We the took that $800,000 and leveraged it and came up with

12:42:08 about 1.5 million to really focus in on acquisition and

12:42:11 rehabilitation program.




12:42:12 So we did that.

12:42:14 Unfortunately, some of the agencies that had traditionally

12:42:18 received CHDO moneys to do these activities, we are the

12:42:25 victims in this thing, because that was the money that was

12:42:28 going to be earmarked, and we couldn't do that any longer.

12:42:31 So we had to change.

12:42:32 But next year going forward -- and one of the things that

12:42:34 had come up was on the application itself, and how that

12:42:38 application was.

12:42:40 What we did discover is within that application, we asked

12:42:43 for CHDO certification, CHDO eligibility, and home eligible

12:42:50 activities.

12:42:51 We kind of asked for three different applications, kind of

12:42:54 rolled into the single RFP, and realized that that could

12:42:58 cause some confusion, and so many applications going

12:43:00 forward, our recommendation was obviously we are going to

12:43:03 break that into two or three applications so when somebody

12:43:05 is applying for a CHDO activity it's very clear that this is

12:43:10 what you are planning for, this is what you can move this

12:43:13 money for or a home activity for those funding dollars or

12:43:18 for certification activity for those funding dollars.

12:43:20 So we will in the future break those applications out, most

12:43:25 RFP processes out, as we go forward.

12:43:28 We think that can clear up any confusion going forward at

12:43:31 this point.




12:43:33 That's all I have for my formal presentation.

12:43:37 And I had heard that council was asking about some of the

12:43:41 recommendations, what we want to do is to, you know, work

12:43:44 with the not-for-profits establishing the priority lists,

12:43:47 changing our application process, continue to work with the

12:43:52 group that was formed by Betty Reed and Kathy Castor,

12:43:56 continue to look for and try to identify additional funding

12:44:00 dollars and expand the ability to help more individuals.

12:44:09 It's unfortunate, money is short.

12:44:11 I will entertain any questions you have.

12:44:13 >> Thank you for that presentation.

12:44:15 And I must reiterate and say, yes, representative Betty Reed

12:44:23 is a senior member of our state house, and being on the

12:44:29 minority there, she has managed to bring forth legislation.

12:44:36 And you are right, she's very tenacious.

12:44:39 I was part of that meeting of Representative Reed and Mrs.

12:44:47 Castor, was invited by both to be there, and yes, it was

12:44:51 very informative.

12:44:52 The nonprofits were there, the county was there, everyone

12:44:54 came to that table.

12:44:56 I think that is going to be an avenue that a lot of

12:45:04 information came through, like you said, they are fund could

12:45:08 be used to repair windows but not roofs.

12:45:11 And that was all discussed there.

12:45:14 So, yes, I agree.




12:45:16 And now working with them, and we know Kathy Castor and her

12:45:21 ability, but at the federal level.

12:45:23 So I'm encouraged with that.

12:45:25 And I look forward to working with everyone further.

12:45:28 >> And so do we.

12:45:31 It's a good group.

12:45:34 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Ms. Mulhern.

12:45:35 >>MARY MULHERN: I'm wondering, Mr. Snelling, if that

12:45:40 $800,000, that we had been applying to projects that weren't

12:45:47 eligible for those grant funds, have we identified another

12:45:53 source where those types of projects could be funded from?

12:45:59 No and that's the portion looking for additional fund.

12:46:02 I have not come up with a new $800,000 at this point.

12:46:06 The state is holding out some hope there that with that

12:46:09 foreclosure money that we will get allocated additional

12:46:11 funding sources there.

12:46:12 But right now, we are looking, you know, the new budget is

12:46:16 coming up, and we'll continue to try to find additional

12:46:19 funding.

12:46:21 It's not easily replaced.

12:46:22 >>MARY MULHERN: I know.

12:46:24 But since we had mistakenly funded things through that, I

12:46:29 feel we really have to make an effort to find something

12:46:31 else.

12:46:32 And also, my other big question is, have we hired a housing




12:46:38 director?

12:46:44 >>THOM SNELLING: In a well, I'm the director.

12:46:46 [ Laughter ]

12:46:48 >>MARY MULHERN: I didn't mean replace you.

12:46:52 We had a position that was today he voted that T that.

12:46:55 You are on your third or fourth department head report.

12:47:01 We need somebody to help you.

12:47:06 >>THOM SNELLING: There is an interview process, and frankly,

12:47:10 we came up wanting.

12:47:12 And I decided, and my boss decided, this is a very specific

12:47:17 kind of issue.

12:47:20 Duke Campbell has been exceptional here helping me.

12:47:22 I have relied on him a lot, and kept me out of a great deal

12:47:26 of trouble.

12:47:27 But you are right.

12:47:28 And we --

12:47:31 >>MARY MULHERN: My question -- thank you.

12:47:35 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Any other council members at this time?

12:47:36 Mrs. Montelione?

12:47:38 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Thank you.

12:47:39 Thom, when I reviewed the application, it really wasn't --

12:47:44 it really wasn't clear that you were applying for one or the

12:47:47 on the of those fund.

12:47:50 When I read this application -- and, you know, if I couldn't

12:47:57 determine that, I could imagine how other people who are




12:47:59 applying to the city may -- and I see Reverend Dixon shaking

12:48:04 his head -- will be difficult to know whether or not you are

12:48:07 applying for one or both.

12:48:08 I don't know how we repair that at this point.

12:48:11 I don't know if that creates a problem in the awarding of

12:48:16 these contracts, because it really wasn't clear.

12:48:21 And I don't feel that awarding, which is the next two items

12:48:25 to come up, I don't feel awarding this contract, this money,

12:48:30 in good conscience, I mean, it up to the rest of my members

12:48:35 here on council, but I don't feel comfortable awarding those

12:48:43 contracts based on an unclear application process.

12:48:46 So that's one thing that I have to say.

12:48:50 The other is that in reviewing this list -- and I mentioned

12:48:54 this to you yesterday -- I agree with the sensitivity of

12:48:57 leaving out who was the agency these folks had applied to,

12:49:02 and which agencies have the longest waiting list, or the

12:49:06 oldest applications.

12:49:07 But I think the oldest one I saw here was in 2004, which

12:49:13 September 21st, 2004, east 18th street, 18th

12:49:18 Avenue, since 2004, that house may not even be there

12:49:23 anymore.

12:49:23 It may be in falling-down conditions depending on what the

12:49:26 problems were in that.

12:49:28 So in looking at how to prioritize, I mean, I strongly urge

12:49:32 that this list be vetted and we start with the oldest




12:49:36 applications first to see if we can even throw them out,

12:49:39 because the condition that existed when they were put on

12:49:43 this list doesn't exist anymore.

12:49:44 >> Just to answer very quickly.

12:49:48 I got this yesterday in an e-mail.

12:49:50 It says the waiting list is reviewed regularly to confirm

12:49:52 the service need status. So people are aware that the more

12:49:57 aged applications, 2004, 2005, et, they will go back and

12:50:02 they will update their list on a regular basis.

12:50:05 So that does take place, thankfully.

12:50:07 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Well, it's disconcerting that the ones

12:50:12 that are that old.

12:50:14 And on item C, on the individuals who are the advisory

12:50:19 committee members, I would strongly suggest we add someone

12:50:24 from neighborhood relations who is intimately familiar with

12:50:28 being T neighborhood that these homes are located in, and

12:50:35 the people who are requesting them.

12:50:36 And I notice that there were three less people based on

12:50:40 experience in the their field of expertise.

12:50:43 I'm not sure why we would reduce the number.

12:50:45 >> I had been one of those people, and one of the people

12:50:47 worked for the county.

12:50:52 That's the reason.

12:50:52 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Okay.

12:50:54 Well, additional set of eyes is always good.




12:50:57 Item F, central telephone number, you touched on this

12:51:01 vaguely that there will be tweaks and changes to that.

12:51:04 I really would like to see that there is a central place.

12:51:10 I'm not sure how much of a hardship is experienced by

12:51:13 someone calling your office and then having to call the

12:51:15 other agencies.

12:51:16 There's two of them now.

12:51:18 These folks don't know who to call to begin with.

12:51:22 So it's a fishing trip for them.

12:51:24 So by the time they figure out that it's your office to

12:51:28 call, they may have already called several other groups in

12:51:31 the county or whoever, senior centers and things like that.

12:51:35 So it is frustrating.

12:51:36 If you talked probably to any of our legislative aides who

12:51:40 are the ones answering the phones at our offices, they can

12:51:43 relate to you the frustration that they hear from citizens.

12:51:49 You know, I'm calling you because I don't know who else to

12:51:51 call, five, six, seven, eight different places, nobody can

12:51:55 help me.

12:51:56 So that is -- it is very, very difficult.

12:51:59 And a lot of these folks are up in age, and they are

12:52:05 computer savvy and getting online and doing the research.

12:52:09 So I strongly encourage you to implement some kind of

12:52:12 telephone system, recorded lines, referral line, as soon as

12:52:16 possible.




12:52:22 >>THOM SNELLING: Quick comment on the things about moving

12:52:24 the two items, 67, 68, whatever those numbers are on the

12:52:28 contract.

12:52:30 When those were put through, they read them through, and the

12:52:33 problem is with the application.

12:52:34 The application was fine.

12:52:35 It was the same application that was used all the years.

12:52:39 And when we had additional funding sources, it was a very

12:52:42 simple process.

12:52:44 It wasn't so much the application's fault.

12:52:46 There's no question that it could be made to be a little

12:52:49 more clearer.

12:52:50 It was the fact that our funding sources pulled out from us

12:52:54 and in an effort to not be in further difficulty with HUD,

12:52:59 we had to change that.

12:53:01 It wasn't because the application or the process itself.

12:53:04 It worked fin for the previous two years.

12:53:06 And because the funding was a oh funding source, it was the

12:53:11 application.

12:53:11 It was after the fact, not because the applicant was so

12:53:14 confusing that they couldn't do one or the other.

12:53:17 They applied for what they had applied for in the past.

12:53:19 And we had that funding source in the past that we in a

12:53:22 longer had available.

12:53:23 So the other thing I would like to say is the longer we




12:53:25 delay approving those things, the more people get added to

12:53:29 that list, and dozens of people are not getting services.

12:53:34 I would beseech you and beg that you move those other two

12:53:38 items forward this day.

12:53:39 >>FRANK REDDICK: Thank you, Mr. Chair.

12:53:42 What is the current status of the East Tampa business

12:53:45 association and the coach foundation?

12:53:49 Those are the two organizations --

12:53:51 >> Right.

12:53:51 Well, if you recall, and Ms. Hart got up and was talking

12:53:57 about some other type of program where the foreclosed houses

12:54:00 could be looked at to see if they could come back into

12:54:02 circulation.

12:54:04 What we are going to do, what we had always intended to do,

12:54:08 was to work closely with those organizations, and they have

12:54:10 already submitted letters demonstrating their interest to

12:54:13 participate in this part of the program, is that

12:54:16 $1.5 million that we are going to use for acquisition and

12:54:21 rehabilitation efforts, we will be working with those

12:54:23 partners in that program.

12:54:26 It's not the owner occupied rehab.

12:54:29 It the acquisition and rehabilitation and the resell of

12:54:34 those properties.

12:54:35 That's where we are going to focus on working with those two

12:54:38 agencies especially because they have both asked to be




12:54:40 reconsidered in that.

12:54:41 So that 1.5 million to be put in into that program.

12:54:46 Commenting on what Ms. Hart had said about the foreclosed

12:54:49 properties and whether or not the city had some money into

12:54:52 these property and whether or not we can go back and rather

12:54:55 than just lose our dollars, so to speak, we got those back

12:54:58 and got them back into some type of circulation program.

12:55:02 The ability to do that would not be on foreclosed

12:55:07 properties.

12:55:07 Once the property is foreclosed, the city being a second or

12:55:10 third position on those types of properties, we lose.

12:55:13 We are out.

12:55:14 What would have to happen is identify those properties that

12:55:17 are on the front end or being considered to be foreclosed,

12:55:20 and that's where the conversation with the banks could take

12:55:22 place, where we say which properties here are eligible for

12:55:26 that, with you ones are in trouble, who missed a payment or

12:55:29 two?

12:55:31 Those properties could be identified and may be eligible.

12:55:34 Again, that may be a program that we certainly would be

12:55:36 interested in looking a it.

12:55:38 But it the devil in the details like anything else in life.

12:55:40 And we would have to drill down to see exactly.

12:55:42 But on the surface, that kind of an approach to be used for

12:55:47 that money is certainly an eligible activity for the CHDO




12:55:50 fund.

12:55:50 >>FRANK REDDICK: One last question, and to go back to

12:55:54 Councilman Miranda is talking about.

12:55:57 That is the position that Ms. West was serving in.

12:56:02 I'm guessing -- you didn't fill that position.

12:56:08 Is that correct?

12:56:10 >>THOM SNELLING: No.

12:56:10 We went through an interview process for about four months

12:56:13 and are still actively trying to find somebody.

12:56:15 It's not been filled yet.

12:56:16 >>FRANK REDDICK: I know she had a role where she was linked

12:56:22 with those community group organizations working with them

12:56:24 and participating in community projects.

12:56:28 That person was in that position.

12:56:29 And I think that is one thing that is missing.

12:56:33 There is no direct connection.

12:56:37 Whereas you had that person going out in the field working

12:56:39 with the different organizations in the community as well as

12:56:43 working with the nonprofit agencies.

12:56:47 But there is I think that's one of the things that's

12:56:53 lacking.

12:56:54 But I want to know how the organization feels about.

12:56:57 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Any other council members at this time?

12:56:59 Thank you very much.

12:57:01 I think it been informative.




12:57:03 And Mr. What Mr. Reddick brought up, that young lady, Mrs.

12:57:07 West, did a great job getting moneys to these things, and we

12:57:13 have had some calls because of the long list and the items

12:57:15 that you are doing that are not up to par, but I understand

12:57:19 the money situation, and I understand the position that you

12:57:21 are in, and the position that we are all in.

12:57:24 But as long as we keep going that way sooner or later, we

12:57:30 aren't going to solve them all, but we'll solve most of them

12:57:33 All right.

12:57:34 Item 66.

12:57:35 Who want to move the resolution?

12:57:40 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I'll move 66 and 67.

12:57:42 I believe we can move them.

12:57:44 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: A motion by Mr. Suarez on item 66.

12:57:46 Let me take them one at a time, if I may.

12:57:48 Item number 66.

12:57:50 Do we have a second?

12:57:51 I have a second by Mr. Reddick on the resolution on 66.

12:57:54 All in favor please signify by saying aye.

12:57:57 Opposed nay.

12:57:58 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Nay.

12:58:02 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Item number 67.

12:58:07 Mr. Reddick moved the resolution.

12:58:09 Seconded by Mr. Suarez.

12:58:11 All in favor of the resolution be moved, please signify by




12:58:13 saying aye.

12:58:15 Opposed nay.

12:58:15 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Nay.

12:58:18 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Okay, we go now to unfinished business on

12:58:21 the resolution of the maintenance work for city vehicles,

12:58:28 item number 68.

12:58:31 Any discussion?

12:58:32 Who wants to move that resolution?

12:58:34 >>FRANK REDDICK: Move resolution 68.

12:58:36 >> Seconded by Mr. Cohen on 68.

12:58:38 All in favor of the motion please indicate by saying aye.

12:58:40 Opposed nay.

12:58:42 Motion passes unanimously.

12:58:44 We go for information reports.

12:58:46 >>HARRY COHEN: Item 27.

12:58:49 >> Yes, item 27.

12:58:51 I apologize to Mr. Cohen.

12:58:52 Item 27.

12:58:53 Mr. Cohen.

12:58:53 >>HARRY COHEN: Thank you very much, Mr. Chair.

12:58:57 As everyone knows, item 27 is the item dealing with the

12:59:09 audit, clean cities division audit.

12:59:11 That was released a few days ago.

12:59:13 I know other council members will probably want to weigh in

12:59:16 on this topic.




12:59:17 I see Mr. Rogero here.

12:59:23 I know the hour is late and I will get through what I have

12:59:26 to say quickly.

12:59:27 On Monday, I was asked by some people on Harbor Island to

12:59:31 come over and look at some items that were concerning them,

12:59:34 and they had to do with some overgrown medians that were not

12:59:39 being properly maintained, and trimmed, and we got into a

12:59:44 larger discussion, and I took some notes, and it was very

12:59:48 interesting because the notes were about inability of people

12:59:55 to get answers to these their questions, being given names

12:59:57 of people who did different work, who actually didn't know

01:00:00 they were in charge of the work, questions about whether or

01:00:02 not whether landscaping, contractors were actually doing the

01:00:06 work that they were being paid to do.

01:00:09 And this audit, which is extremely comprehensive, came to us

01:00:15 on Wednesday.

01:00:17 And it basically answered a lot of the questions that were

01:00:20 being asked by some of these concerned neighbors.

01:00:24 And I have to say, in many years of reading audits, this one

01:00:33 is particularly troublesome, and difficult to digest, and I

01:00:41 think the main reason is because we have been sitting here

01:00:43 for the last two years dealing with some of these items, and

01:00:47 I think all of us have labored under the impression that our

01:00:50 largest challenge in dealing with these items was a lack of

01:00:54 resources and a lack of funding to do everything that needed




01:00:59 to be done.

01:00:59 And I think what this audit shows more than anything is that

01:01:03 we don't really know if that's even accurate anymore.

01:01:07 And the main reason we don't know is because due to problems

01:01:14 of documentation and with lack of policies and procedures,

01:01:18 we can't really determine whether or not our properties are

01:01:21 being properly maintained.

01:01:23 We cannot determine who is responsible for certain items.

01:01:29 There were some questions raised about cost incurred for

01:01:33 maintaining and enhancing non-city property.

01:01:36 What I looked through the report, I determined that that's

01:01:39 not about us mistakenly taking care of property that's not

01:01:43 owned by the city, bits not knowing whether or not ware

01:01:47 doing what we are contracting to do with outside agencies.

01:01:52 So I did speak to the mayor about this yesterday.

01:01:54 I know he's very aware of the problem.

01:01:58 And I wanted to hear from Mr. Rogero about how the city is

01:02:04 responding to the audit, and after different council members

01:02:09 had a chance to weigh in, I was going to suggest that after

01:02:12 a short period of time, we get an update from the city and

01:02:16 how it is addressing some of these very, very serious

01:02:19 questions.

01:02:19 Because I know that for me, my office -- and I speak for

01:02:23 everyone up here -- we all receive calls all the time about

01:02:29 the maintenance of the medians and the sidewalks, and the




01:02:32 landscaping, and the different city properties, and a lot of

01:02:37 the complaints that we get are just simply for people who

01:02:41 have given up trying to call clean cities and get an answer.

01:02:46 And the call times that were reported and the response times

01:02:51 that were reported in this audit underscore why people are

01:02:57 frustrated because oftentimes taking a month or two month

01:03:00 for people to get answers.

01:03:01 So Mr. Rogero.

01:03:05 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Mr. Reddick.

01:03:07 >>FRANK REDDICK: I think this is not in fairness that we

01:03:13 have staff to come and speak at this point today, because I

01:03:22 have got a whole list of questions, from reading this audit.

01:03:26 And, you know, I'm currently undergoing this type of audit

01:03:33 with my organization right now, with the State of Florida.

01:03:41 And I think to raise questions now and give them a chance, I

01:03:49 don't think it's adequate for them to -- if we can just

01:03:54 set --

01:03:55 >>HARRY COHEN: Would you want to set something now?

01:03:57 >> And have a chance to digest it and ask questions.

01:04:01 >>HARRY COHEN: I'm okay with that.

01:04:03 I was going to actually already maid make a suggestion for

01:04:06 February 7th that I thought would give the staff the

01:04:09 appropriate time to respond, February 7th at 10 a.m.

01:04:16 >> I second that.

01:04:18 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion on this item number 27,




01:04:20 that we workshop it on February 7 at 10 a.m. in the morning.

01:04:27 That motion is made by Mr. Cohen, seconded by Mr. Reddick.

01:04:33 All in favor of that motion please indicate by saying aye.

01:04:36 Opposed nay.

01:04:37 The ayes have it unanimously.

01:04:39 Okay.

01:04:40 If I may, we go to -- any others?

01:04:46 We are going to workshop it.

01:04:47 >>MIKE SUAREZ: If I could make a suggestion to those folks

01:04:52 that are involved in this, is that I would like to see

01:04:56 whoever is the supervisor for this group to also appear,

01:05:00 because it's one thing for you all to be answering but I

01:05:03 think the people involved have to be answerable to.

01:05:07 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: We have that motion by Mr. Suarez, second

01:05:09 by Mr. Reddick.

01:05:10 All in favor of that motion please indicate by saying aye.

01:05:12 Opposed nay.

01:05:13 The ayes have it unanimously.

01:05:14 Thank you very much, Mr. Suarez.

01:05:15 Information report.

01:05:16 We go from left to right.

01:05:18 Mrs. Montelione.

01:05:19 >>LISA MONTELIONE: No new business.

01:05:24 >>HARRY COHEN: One item, Mr. Chair.

01:05:26 We have had a couple of unrelated discussions in here.




01:05:31 One was brought up, I believe it was by Ms. Capin or Mr.

01:05:35 Suarez regarding the breakfast.

01:05:37 We had some citizens who came in who were complaining about

01:05:43 houses in their neighborhood being rented out for parties.

01:05:45 And I have had some private -- not private, but official

01:05:50 communications with neighborhood representatives who are

01:05:53 concerned about different houses in their neighborhood being

01:05:56 rented out for particular purposes, and I wanted to ask

01:06:00 council if we could set a workshop on March 28th at

01:06:05 9:00 a.m. to discuss private residence rentals, and sort of

01:06:10 talk about some of the larger issues, because I think that

01:06:14 bed and breakfasts and the housing rentals and people

01:06:17 putting their houses on Web sites for commercial purposes,

01:06:20 all these things could be discussed in the context of this

01:06:24 topic.

01:06:25 And I would like to make a motion.

01:06:28 >> I'll second that.

01:06:29 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion by Mr. Cohen for March

01:06:31 28th at 9 a.m.

01:06:33 Seconded by Mr. Suarez for the subject matter he spoke on.

01:06:37 All in favor of the motion?

01:06:39 Opposed?

01:06:40 Motion passes unanimously.

01:06:42 Anything else, sir?

01:06:43 >>HARRY COHEN: No, thank you.




01:06:45 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Ms. Mulhern?

01:06:46 >>MARY MULHERN: I have one public service announcement that

01:06:48 Mr. Snelling mentioned.

01:06:51 On January 24th, there will be, I believe, it's the

01:06:58 3rd or might be the 4th census of homeless people

01:07:05 that will be transpiring, and the homeless coalition will be

01:07:09 organizing that.

01:07:10 So we are looking for -- they are looking for volunteers.

01:07:17 Four years ago there was that census, there were 10,000

01:07:21 homeless in Hillsborough County.

01:07:25 And two years ago there were 17,000.

01:07:27 We heard about the 24 new residences that are going to be

01:07:32 built.

01:07:33 So it's really important for us to see what those numbers

01:07:37 are this year.

01:07:38 I know a number of us have participated in those.

01:07:41 But it's over the last two times.

01:07:45 And I think others have.

01:07:46 So also anyone in the public who wants to help solve this

01:07:50 problem.

01:07:52 That's on January 24th.

01:07:54 So get in touch with the homeless coalition.

01:07:58 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.

01:07:58 Mr. Reddick?

01:08:00 >>FRANK REDDICK: No new business.




01:08:01 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Ms. Capin?

01:08:03 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Yes, I have several.

01:08:04 First I would like to make a motion to present a

01:08:07 commendation on January 31 to honor Roger Strout, the city

01:08:12 internal auditor for his service to Tampa.

01:08:13 He's leaving to work in West Palm Beach, and West Palm has

01:08:17 said they are thrilled to have hired him and know the City

01:08:20 of Tampa would definitely miss his outstanding work.

01:08:24 We certainly will. You just happened to be here.

01:08:27 I didn't know you were going to be here.

01:08:29 But that's my motion.

01:08:32 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Motion by Mrs. Capin, second by Mr.

01:08:34 Reddick.

01:08:34 All in favor of the motion?

01:08:36 Opposed?

01:08:36 The ayes have it unanimously.

01:08:37 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I support the motion.

01:08:44 I don't support him leaving.

01:08:47 [ Laughter ]

01:08:49 >>YVONNE CAPIN: All of your audit have been excellent.

01:08:51 Excellent.

01:08:53 The second motion is to reschedule.

01:08:56 We had this discussion on December 20th.

01:08:59 The employment-based EB-5 federal program, jobs program, for

01:09:10 regional center task force, application task force finding,




01:09:14 and that was to be scheduled for January 24.

01:09:17 The meeting task force meeting was yesterday, and looked at

01:09:20 the calendar for February 7th.

01:09:23 That was not going to work for many of the members.

01:09:28 And then looked at the 14th, and that was a CRA meeting.

01:09:34 So the February 24th at 9 a.m., it is five minutes P.I

01:09:41 would like, depending on questions and the time, but

01:09:46 February 21st at 9 a.m.

01:09:51 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Motion by Mrs. Capin, seconded by Mrs.

01:09:53 Mulhern.

01:09:53 All in favor?

01:09:54 Opposed?

01:09:55 The ayes have it unanimously.

01:09:58 >>YVONNE CAPIN: And this is to clarify, January 31 we have a

01:10:00 workshop in West Tampa, and I made a copy so that I can give

01:10:04 this to the clerk's office.

01:10:06 To clarify 31 workshop, the following individuals have been

01:10:12 invited and organizations, not individuals.

01:10:17 University of South Florida.

01:10:18 Former student Dr. Marvin.

01:10:22 And Beverly Ward from the Tampa Housing Authority.

01:10:25 Jerome Ryan.

01:10:28 Or his representative.

01:10:30 From the West Tampa Chamber of Commerce, to speak on West

01:10:33 Tampa economic and community development plan.




01:10:37 Ms. Ruth McNair.

01:10:39 And representative, a RPM representative from the -- or

01:10:44 representative from west riverfront neighborhood

01:10:45 association, Mr. Steve Panetta from neighborhood

01:10:50 association.

01:10:51 Jerry Scaglione or representative from MacFarlane park

01:10:55 neighborhood association.

01:10:56 Clooney from EDC of Tampa.

01:10:59 I have a copy of that motion.

01:11:00 That is who is invite Ford January 31 workshop in West

01:11:04 Tampa.

01:11:04 I just wanted to clear the record.

01:11:07 So do we need to --

01:11:10 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Make that into the motion so we can

01:11:12 incorporate it in the motion.

01:11:14 >> I move to clarify January 31 with the people I just

01:11:17 stated.

01:11:18 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion by Mrs. Capin, second by

01:11:20 Mr. Cohen.

01:11:20 All in favor of that motion?

01:11:24 The ayes have it unanimously.

01:11:26 >>YVONNE CAPIN: And this is the last motion.

01:11:28 Is I would like to move to honor Robinson high school head

01:11:34 coach Mike Depew and assistant coach rob Barnes for their

01:11:41 accomplishment.




01:11:42 The coach has been named Florida class 5-A coach of the

01:11:45 year, and coach Barnes has been the top coach, the

01:11:53 presentation date to be determined.

01:11:54 >> Second.

01:11:56 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Motion by Mrs. Capin.

01:11:57 Second by Mrs. Mulhern.

01:11:58 All in favor of that motion?

01:12:00 Opposed?

01:12:00 The ayes have it unanimously.

01:12:03 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Thank you.

01:12:03 And I am done.

01:12:05 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Mr. Suarez.

01:12:05 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you, chair.

01:12:07 Nothing except we are going to miss you, Roger.

01:12:10 I know West Palm Beach is going to be the recipient of some

01:12:13 very good and faithful worker.

01:12:18 Thank you very much for the time you spent here.

01:12:21 >> Need a motion to receive and file the documents.

01:12:24 Motion by Mr. Suarez, second by Mr. Cohen.

01:12:27 The ayes have it unanimously.

01:12:28 Anyone in the audience care to speak, all 500 of you?

01:12:31 I see no one moving.

01:12:35 Mr. Strout, we will save your remarks for that date.

01:12:37 That was for your commendation.

01:12:40 I appreciate everything you have done.




01:12:41 We stand adjourned.

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