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TAMPA CITY COUNCIL

Thursday, April 25, 2013

9:00 a.m.


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>>CHARLIE MIRANDA: City Council is called to session.

The chair yields to Mr. Harry.

>>HARRY COHEN: Thank you, Mr. Chair.

I am pleased to introduce Steven Ezra.

Dr. Ezra is the senior pastor at St. James United Methodist

Church which is a 1200 member church in New Tampa.

He was born in northern Indiana where he also graduated from

Purdue University.

He came to Florida in 2003 to serve in a church in

Clearwater prior to being appointed to St. James in 2008.

Dr. Ezra and his wife Karen have four children and have been

married for 22 years.

They live in Tampa Palms.

Please stand for the invocation and then remain standing for

the pledge of allegiance.


>> Please join me in prayer.

Almighty God, we thank you for the gift of this day.

We thank you for the country, the state, and the city in

which we live.

We among all people on the earth are blessed far beyond what

we deserve, and we are grateful.

For those who have gathered here this morning to do the

business of government, we pray for your wisdom.

We pray for discernment.

We pray for a spirit of peace.

Father, remind them and remind all of us that those of us

who have power are called to look out for the powerless and

to give them a voice, that those of us with means and

resources are expected by you to share those with persons

without and to look out for them.

Remind us this day and every day to be grateful for the life

that we have in you, and because of you.

Guide these meetings, this procession, these decisions, and

may they work to your plan for the benefit of this great

city.

We offer this prayer in the name of the one who gave us

life.

Amen.

(Pledge of Allegiance)

>>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Roll call.




>>MIKE SUAREZ: Here.

>>YVONNE CAPIN: Presents.

>>FRANK REDDICK: Here.

>>HARRY COHEN: Here.

>>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Here.

Item number 1 in the ceremonial, the presentation,

commendation of police Officer of the Month, Mr. Frank

Reddick.

>>FRANK REDDICK: Thank you, Mr. Chair.

I would like to recognize detective Ron Paulk, Tampa police

Officer of the Month for April 2013, and I will turn it over

to the chief.

>> Chief Castor: Good morning, council.

It's always an honor to come before you and bring one of

TPD's finest.

As Councilman Reddick said this months we are recognizing

Ron Paulk for all he does to keep our city safe.

Ron is a detective in district 3, a part of the latent

investigative squad, in that district.

He's been there since 2010, and he does an amazing job.

He is certainly an expert at latent investigations, and he

has investigated a diverse array of cases including

robberies, burglaries and ought to thefts.

He's very, very familiar with all of the advanced

investigative skills, and he insures that everyone on his




squad is up to date on the latest policies, procedures, as

well as the technology that's available to all of those

detectives, and he insures that each of the cases are

investigated very, very thoroughly.

In fact, he investigates cases as if they were his family

members that were victims of these crimes.

He's very dedicated to the cause.

And I am going to recognize just a couple of the cases that

he has been involved in, and you will see when he gets ready

to talk in a few minutes, he's actually what we call the

quiet storm.

He doesn't talk as much as the rest of us do.

That's probably because he's out doing the investigations

and putting everybody in jail.

So he's a man of few words, but he certainly is an amazing

investigator.

We had an incident where Value Pawn was robbed one morning,

and it was a very brazen robbery. There were three

individuals involved, two males and a female, and they took

close to half a million dollars in cash and jewelry from

that location.

Detective Paulk was the lead investigator.

He was the lead investigator on that and went on really a

slim lead of a possible suspect, basically the voice sounded

like someone, a particular individual that one of the




witnesses knew.

We searched that individual, researched that individual, set

up surveil on several residences in the city, continued the

research on the individual and found out that they were

pawning a particularly large amount of property at a pawn

shop out by the casino, the Hard Rock Casino.

So he and several other individuals went out to that

location to the casino on a hunch that they may be there and

ended up within three hours of this robbery being committed,

taking three suspects into custody involving -- including

firearms, vehicle use in the robbery, and the majority of

the property back for that business.

So that's one of the incidents.

Another one is an individual that was a victim of an armed

robbery, close to a high school, and he investigated from

the initial call until he took that individual into custody,

the suspect, and returned the property to that student as

well.

Another one that some of you may have read about in the

paper that was highly publicized because it was shortly

after the Newtown shootings, we had a students at

Hillsborough high school that thought it would be

entertaining to set off some fireworks in that school, and

that, as you can imagine, pretty much set off panic and

chaos within that school.




We had close to 80 units that responded to that location to

secure it, to ensure that it wasn't a shooting.

Detective Polk was the lead investigator.

He got there, brought a voice of calm to it, interviewed the

faculty, determined that there was a video system, viewed

that video, was able to identify an individual that had lit

those, showed that photo to the staff, who identified the

student.

He interviewed the student and got a confession within, I

would say, probably an hour of that occurring.

And that, obviously, brought a sense of relief and calm not

only to the students but to all of their parents who had

come to the scene as well.

Those are just three examples of what he does every single

day to keep this community safe.

So based on his outstanding ability, his tenaciousness, and

his willingness to go the extra step, everything that he

does with an incredible sense of urgency.

It is my honor to recognize detective Ron Paulk as the

Officer of the Month for April 2013.

Congratulations.

[ Applause ]

>>FRANK REDDICK: Great job.

On behalf of the Tampa City Council, we would like to

present you this commendation for being chosen Officer of




the Month for April 2013.

Congratulations.

>> Thank you, sir.

>>FRANK REDDICK: They may want you to pose there.

We have some goodies for you.

>> Rick Halpern, vice-president of the Tampa PBA.

Dave from star shield insurance could not be here today but

I want to say congratulations to you but on behalf of great

south of Tampa PBA and star shield insurance say

congratulations and give you a $100 gift card.

>> Oh, thank you, sir.

I appreciate it.

[ Applause ]

>> Good morning.

I'm Frank DeSoto with Bill Currie Ford.

On behalf of the Bill Currie family we would like to

congratulate Ron.

I know you, Ron, and I know you are a dedicated officer.

Extremely proud to present you with this watch.

>> Thank you very much.

[ Applause ]

>> Good morning.

Joe Durkin, Bright House networks.

Ron, on behalf all of us at Bright House, congratulations on

a job well done.




Would like to present you with one month complimentary

services of all Bright House services.

Congratulations.

>> Thank you.

I really appreciate it.

[ Applause ]

>> Good morning.

Jill Latecki with Tampa Theatre.

Thank you for all that you do with for our city. We would

like to present with you an annual membership to our

theater.

Thank you.

[ Applause ]

>> Steve Stickley represents Stepps Towing service.

Congratulations.

On behalf of Jim, Judy and Todd Stepp we would like to

present this small token of our appreciation for a job very

well done.

We appreciate it.

And we also have a gift card to Lee Roy Selmons.

[ Applause ]

>> Mike Breckwald with the Straz Center for the Performing

Arts.

We want to commend you and thank you for your service to the

community.




And in token of our appreciation we want to give you four

tickets to opening nights of War Horse next week.

>> Okay.

Thank you, sir.

[ Applause ]

>> I don't have any popcorn.

>> That's okay.

>> Don't have any theater tickets.

>> Okay.

>> But you get your picture taken.

>> Okay, great.

>> We'll get your portraits for you and your family.

Prestige Photos.

They do a nice job.

And on behalf of them, I want to present you with a gift

certificate to you and your family.

Do you want to eat first or go to the theater first?

>> I'm open to any suggestions.

>> I suggest you go to the theater and then eat because

Bern's is going to take a little while to eat.

So congratulations.

We have a $100 gift certificate.

Enjoy yourself at Bern's.

We really appreciate what you do.

>> Thank you, chief.




I would just like to tell the chief and all the staff and

all you members of the council, I'm extremely humbled and

honored by receiving all these awards today.

And I can just thank my wife Lucy.

She couldn't be here.

For all her prayers and support every day for me.

And also Captain O'Connor for her support, Sergeant Stout,

Captain Hamlin, and Brian for being here as well, Gary, and

Major Bernie for all their support as well.

And the chief talked about all these different cases.

And I have a great team of other detectives I work with, and

ROC officers, patrol officers that do an outstanding job

every day and come together as a team every day.

So I'm here representing them as well.

And I can't take credit alone, by no means, and I am really

blessed to have a really good team that I work with every

day.

So thank you very much.

[ Applause ]

>>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Mr. Reddick will also do the firefighter

of the quarter.

>>FRANK REDDICK: Thank you, Mr. Chair.

It's my honor to recognize as the firefighter of the quarter

for April 2013 Captain Karl Wolf.

And I have the chief to introduce him.




>> Chief Forward: Good morning, council.

As always, it is our honor and a privilege to come before

you this morning and to recognize our firefighter of the

quarter for this period.

And it's we are grateful for the City of Tampa, our

department, recognize this individual standing to my left,

achieving such a nomination.

Captain Wolf has been with Tampa Fire Rescue for over 30

years.

And in that 30 years he has absolutely provided an

impeccable service at every respective area.

In the early '80s, when fire service was really evolving

in the nation fire rescue was on the cutting edge with

moving into areas of specialization, hazardous materials

recognition, auto, vehicle, extrication, high angle rescue,

a number of marine firefighting, and all those things.

Captain wolf was one of the first in that discipline to

start getting education, getting with the whole team so that

Tampa could impact our community in the safest possible way

and fashion, moving onto the rescue because of all the

high-rises we have around here and the number of painters on

high scaffolding areas, he put together a number of projects

and programs that really, really provided a safe operation

for Tampa Fire Rescue to affect major rescues from those

areas.




In addition to those things, just as recently with Tampa

having over 22 fire stations with the number of ground

hazards and things of that nature our fires putting those

ladders up, reaching high levels and high elevations every

day.

One of the areas that we have been somewhat remiss in is the

safety measures of those, and the safety factors, and

inspecting and testing those ladders.

Just as recently as this year, captain wolf working with the

training chief have been able to test all of our ground

ladders at no expense to the city and made certain that all

of our ground ladders and all of our ladders and apparatus

are within the compliance ratio there.

But in addition to that area, Captain Wolf has moved from

firefighter to his current rank today.

He is a fire company officer, a fire captain, and many of

the men and women out there will tell you one of the finest

fire captains in this business.

30 years on this department myself, I have not met a finer

fire captain, a finer company officer who literally takes

care of his people, insure that they are trained to optimal

level to provide a service delivery to this communities and

to this respective area that is unquestioning second to

none.

He had a very serious incident that just happened 18 months




ago.

This is the epitome of the fire department family, of a good

fire officer looking out for his team.

One of his men, one of his firefighters' son was involved in

a really, really critical incident while he was completing

marine boot camp at Paris island.

At the last incident of his training, exercise, before he

would have been pinned with certifying him as United States

marine he was left with a major incident that left him

paralyzed from the chest down.

Captain Wolf recognized not only this major, major critical

addition but how it impacted his firefighter.

He immediately sprang into action, put together a list so

that his firefighter could go up and be at his son's bedside

during this critical incident.

Not only that, he amassed a number of times to insure that

his firefighters, the dad of this young marine, could stay

by his son's bedside while the doctors provided him the best

level medical care.

This fireman didn't have to worry about getting back to the

station to provide his shift, because the men and women of

Tampa Fire Rescue worked two shifts so that he could stay by

his bedside of the that's just one of the incidents, one of

the major incidents that epitomizes the captain, the

individual that I am presenting to council, and to this city




and this community, as our firefighter of the quarter.

Please share with me the joy that I have in presenting you

firefighter of the quarter Captain Carl Wolf.

[ Applause ]

>>FRANK REDDICK: Thank you, Reverend Forward.

[ Laughter ]

On behalf of Tampa City Council, we would like to present

this commendation to you for being selected firefighter of

the quarter for April 2013.

Congratulations.

[ Applause ]

We also have some gifts.

>> Council, I'm Frank DeSoto with Bill Currie Ford.

It's my extreme pleasure to recognize your accomplishments.

We are extremely proud of our first responders, and in view

of what's happened in Texas here recently.

We know you risk your life daily and this is just a small

token of our appreciation.

Thank you very much.

We appreciate that.

[ Applause ]

>> Joe Durkin once again with Bright House networks.

Karl, an outstanding example of terrific, excellent fire

department.

Congratulations on behalf of all the BrightHouse Network,




three months complementary services to all of our Bright

House services.

>> I appreciate it.

Thank you, sir.

[ Applause ]

>> Hello again, council.

Jill Latecki, Tampa Theatre.

And if ever there was a fire in our crowded theater, you are

the guy we want there.

>> Actually, I have been there.

>> Please come back over the next year on us, you and a

guest have a free membership for the next year.

>> Thank you very much.

(Applause).

>> Mark Breckwald with the Straz Center for the Performing

Arts.

Captain Wolf, thank you for your services.

We definitely appreciate it.

You keep us safe.

As a token of our appreciation at the Straz Center we want

to provide you with four tickets to next week's opening

night performance of "War Horse."

>> Great.

Thanks a lot.

[ Applause ]




>> Good morning.

Jay Cohan, local firefighters 754.

Cooperate Wolf, on behalf of local 754 I would like to

present with you this plaque, and this gift card to a local

establishment.

Chief Forward, you said it best.

When I came on the job, Captain Wolf was my mentor.

I had my very first fire with Captain Wolf over on

MacDill and Hillsborough in a mobile home park.

And then shortly afterwards we took a Haz-Mat class together

in 1986.

After that, he asked me to take a trip from Tampa to Chicago

to pick up, in a 1960 Plymouth Fury, to pick up a 1954 dump

truck and drive back.

[ Laughter ]

It was a week ordeal.

We haven't spoken since today.

[ Laughter ]

Congratulations.

>> Thank you.

[ Applause ]

>> Steve Stickley representing Stepps Towing service.

On behalf of Jim, Judy, Todd Stepp again, a small token of

our appreciation.

And I would really like to thank you as a former U.S. marine




what you did on the battlefield.

>> Thank you very much.

[ Applause ]

>> Good morning.

I have an assistant here.

This is Riley Rozaro.

Her father is a firefighter.

>> Nice to meet you.

>> She's also from Villa Madonna school.

So the kids were honoring why we are honoring all of you

all.

So we picked a representative that has something to do with

that, okay?

But she's got the premiere gift for you.

Do you want to tell him about it?

>> Thank you very much.

I appreciate it.

>> Steakhouse.

The kids said they wanted to go, too.

[ Laughter ]

Congratulations.

Riley, I appreciate your help.

You are a great representative of the school and glad to

have Villa Madonna here today so you can see these

firefighters and police officers that put their lives on the




line for you all every day.

So thank you very much.

>> Thank you.

>> You also have a portrait.

You can have that with the kids, if you like, or your whole

family, whichever you prefer.

Bryn Allen, Prestige Photos is going to present that to you.

And on behalf of David Laxer and Bern's Steakhouse, enjoy

your day at Bern's.

Congratulations.

>> I appreciate it, sir.

[ Applause ]

>> I'm not much of a public speaker, but I would like to

take a couple moments just to thank my District Chief

Walker, who nominated me for this award, and the awards

committee who selected me to get this, also.

It's going to slide off the podium.

It's interesting, a number of these awards I received, I

have actually dealt with the people or places over the

years, being out there in the streets, Stepps wrecker

service has been a great asset to us a number of times over

the years at various incidents.

The Tampa Theatre connection, I actually happened to be on

duty when the YMCA burned down years ago and we actually

went into Tampa Theatre and did some activities to kind of




prevent the theater from catching fire, successfully, and so

I'm proud of that.

And I would also like to thank all the administrative staff

that's here today.

These gentlemen have all, over the years, risen to ranks of

district chief and above.

I personally chose to stay at the captain level.

I think I probably took the easy way out.

I still enjoyed going on the calls and doing the things in

the stations.

Fortunately, fellows like these took the additional steps to

rise to the leadership positions that enabled me to do my

job in the station.

It's only with their support and their leadership that I

have been able to accomplish the things I have been able to

over the years.

I'm really not big on awards per se.

I think there's a lot of people doing much more heroic

things out there day in and day out.

We have got a number of people from the fire service as well

as the police department, and all of our city agencies.

You constantly hear about them going above and beyond to

take care of the citizens of Tampa and do the extra things

that resolve their emergency situations for them.

And I certainly haven't done anything heroic or out of the




ordinary.

But I would like to accept this recognition on behalf of all

the guys who come in to work day in and day out and do their

job without any special thanks.

And it's been a great career.

I have really enjoyed working for the city.

And again I'm very thankful for this recognition.

And I appreciate it.

[ Applause ]

>>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you all very much.

I appreciate it.

We go to item under ceremonial activities, item number 3,

commendation to the city attorney Mr. James Shimberg.

By Ms. Yolie Capin.

>>YVONNE CAPIN: Jim Shimberg, our city attorney, we present

you with this commendation for your leadership to our city,

to our citizens, and to us at City Council.

I am going to read it.

It's short.

Tampa City Council commends Tampa city attorney Jim Shimberg

for his outstanding work on behalf of our city and wishes

him well in his new position with the Tampa Bay Lightning.

During his 26-year tenure with the law firm of Holland and

Knight prior to serving with the city, Mr. Shimberg spent

three years as the executive partner in his Tampa office.




The local group leader for the Tampa Bay real estate, and

land use practice, and co-chair of the national land use

practice group.

Since joining the City of Tampa in 2011, he's effectively

utilized those skills in directing the activities of the

24-member staff of the city attorney's office.

In concluding important legal matters and his ongoing advice

to City Council has been greatly appreciated.

And here is the part.

Tampa City Council feels the Lightning has scored a hat

trick in acquiring --[hats thrown]-- [ Laughter ]

-- in acquiring your talent.

Thank you.

[ Applause ]

>>JIM SHIMBERG: Well, thank you very much, Councilman Capin.

When I first told my wife that council was going to

recognize me with a commendation, she said, That's

ridiculous, you haven't done anything.

[ Laughter ]

Then I said, Well, that's true, but they want to recognize

me.

So I finally realized that what I should do is accept this

commendation on behalf of the men and women of the Tampa

legal department, because it's really their great job over

the last few years that has put me in this position, and I




want to thank all of you very much.

I am going to miss working with you and the mayor and the

city staff and I know the city is in good hands, and again I

am appreciative of the opportunity of allowing me to serve.

Thank you very much.

[ Applause ]

>> Mr. Shimberg, you don't get to keep the hats, okay?

[ Laughter ]

You don't get away that easy.

I get to grill you one last time before you leave.

This is my favorite part of having you come up and talk and

really make you squirm and stuff.

You have done such a great job of keeping us on our toes,

and, you know, the kind of integrity, the kind of honesty

that we have in you is going to be sorely missed.

I know we are going to replace you with somebody, hopefully

just as good but I doubt it.

I think somebody that has your wealth of knowledge, both in

land use and other areas, and knows the city so well and

knows the community so well.

We are really going to miss you.

And I know you took a pay cut when you came here.

Hopefully you have made up for that by going over to the

lightning.

If not, you know, there's no coming back.




I just want to tell you, this is it.

[ Laughter ]

So you better punch up your resumé a little better because

once you are there, I think this is the last career move for

you, okay?

>> They are going to pay me in popcorn.

>> Are they really?

Hopefully they won't pay you in hockey pucks.

>> I hope to have an opportunity to brief my successor in

how to respond to Mike Suarez's questions and to dodge and

weave.

>> Well, we really appreciate the work you have done.

You have made it an easy transition for me personally on

City Council in terms of the questions that I had both

privately and publicly here in council chambers, and I

really appreciate everything you have done for us personally

and for the City of Tampa.

And thank you.

Good luck in the new job.

And enjoy the hockey, I guess.

I'm not sure, but have a great time over there.

Thanks, Jim.

[ Applause ]

>>CHARLIE MIRANDA: We have Mr. Cohen and Ms. Capin.

>>HARRY COHEN: Not to belabor the point, but it really has




been both an honor and a privilege to work with you over the

past two years.

You and I have known each other a long time but we have

never known each other in this context.

And when you sit here and you have questions and you are

working through some of the difficult issues that we deal

with, particularly as it related to the Republican National

Convention last year, which was a new experience for all of

us, I think that I can speak for everyone in saying that

what I have appreciated most is how much you made yourself

available to us, and how much you have been willing to work

with us through the different steps that we have needed to

take to confront sometimes stormy issues.

And it really has been an enormous pleasure.

And it's been a relationship that has been filled with a lot

of trust, and that is I know what we all hope will happen

into the future, but we certainly have had it for you, and

for your entire staff in the legal department who really do

do an outstanding job, and we appreciate it.

[ Applause ]

>>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Ms. Mulhern?

>>MARY MULHERN: Thank you.

I just want to say it's been a pleasure working with you.

And we are going to miss you.

And you do have a fantastic staff.




So we do feel good in the transition before we get our next

city attorney.

And I want you to know that unlike other city attorneys at

times, I never felt that you were opposing council, and

always felt that I could come and talk to you and get to a

place where we were both -- the administration, the mayor,

and of the City Council, represent city government, and that

you were representing us on council as well.

So it's been great.

And we'll miss you.

>> Thank you.

>>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Mr. Reddick?

>>FRANK REDDICK: First, I just want to congratulate and

thank you for being accessible to me when you served in that

capacity.

And I know you will do good in your next endeavor.

So I wish you the best.

And I hope you have great success.

>> Thank you very much.

>>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Mrs. Capin?

>>YVONNE CAPIN: Thank you.

And I would be remiss if I didn't say that the part of the

hat trick came from Cynthia, who I refer to as ESPN Tampa,

and she sat me down and explained to me what it was.

I much appreciate her help and absolutely -- and when she




explained it, I said, you are exactly right, that's exactly

what they scored.

Thank you.

>> Jim.

>>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Jim, the only advice I can give you is

you can do hat tricks, but don't be a goalie.

That thing comes awfully fast.

Take care and enjoy yourself.

God bless you.

God speed to you and your family.

>> I'll wear a helmet.

Thank you.

[ Applause ]

All right. Public comments.

08:59:01 Public comments. Items 1, 2, 3.

09:35:29 And let me explain what they are.

09:35:31 You can speak on Police Officer of the Month, Firefighter of

09:35:33 the Month, or Jim Shimberg's recognition of his leadership

09:35:37 as city attorney.

09:35:38 That's what it's about.

09:35:39 So if you are coming up to speak on items 1, 2, 3, those are

09:35:42 the subjects at this time.

09:35:43 Anyone in the audience care to speak on items 1, 2 and 3?

09:35:47 And I am going to hold you -- listen to me very carefully --

09:35:51 to items 1, 2 and 3.




09:35:52 I don't want to hear about firefighters in Malaysia or

09:35:55 police officers in somewhere else.

09:35:58 If it's about here we'll listen to it.

09:36:00 Yes, sir.

09:36:10 >> Actually wanted to speak to a few other items but some of

09:36:14 the things left out in the presentations of item 1 and 2.

09:36:17 And this is about the importance --

09:36:20 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Name and address.

09:36:21 >> I'm ed, Ed Tillou from Sulphur Springs.

09:36:32 Under fire rescue, you see prevention, and since I feel

09:36:37 close to this, because before I got my masters in public

09:36:40 health, from the University of Maryland, I took medicine, so

09:36:46 I'm seeing the importance of the health area.

09:36:52 But it applies to police and fire activities both.

09:36:58 And with respect to fire activities, of course, I mean

09:37:01 police activities, we see, of course, Boston, and the need

09:37:09 to transcend, and there's this residue of Cold War -- this

09:37:22 was towards the FBI, but there's this closure to certain

09:37:26 sectors, and these people know this because they lost 250

09:37:30 children --

09:37:31 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: We are talking about police Officer of

09:37:32 the Month in the City of Tampa.

09:37:34 This that item.

09:37:34 >> And with the firefighter, it was mentioned about the

09:37:40 fertilizer plant.




09:37:42 Well, there's fertilizer plants here.

09:37:44 And maybe it was Seattle, but it was I had my masters in

09:38:04 public health it was in management and I went into the

09:38:10 chemical engineering program subsequent to that.

09:38:14 So it's good the Tampa Theatre, that fire was prevented

09:38:24 there.

09:38:30 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much, sir.

09:38:30 Anyone else in the audience care to speak to items 1, 2 or

09:38:34 3?

09:38:34 Now, the good part is, I see some young energized

09:38:38 individuals from, I believe, Madonna, correct?

09:38:46 Would anyone, the teacher or students like to come up

09:38:50 collectively or singly come up and say hi and tell us what

09:38:54 you would like to see done in government for the next throw

09:38:56 minutes?

09:38:57 Come on up.

09:38:58 Now is your chance to make an "A."

09:39:01 Do you want me to pick one?

09:39:09 The teacher doesn't want to come up?

09:39:13 [ Laughter ]

09:39:14 We want to know the secrets of this class.

09:39:19 I knew we would draft somebody.

09:39:30 if you will just tell us your name and the grade you are in

09:39:39 and the wonderful school that you are at.

09:39:44 Put the mike a little lower down.




09:40:17 >> You learn a lot when your parents sit next to you.

09:40:19 And I learned a lot from listening to my wife work out the

09:40:25 homework.

09:40:26 I was never good at homework but I have to apologize to

09:40:29 myself for doing that.

09:40:30 But you are a wonderful school and you do a great service to

09:40:32 the community.

09:40:33 And thank you for being here.

09:40:35 And I hope you learn something.

09:40:37 And anytime -- and I mean this to anyone in all the

09:40:40 schools -- that we can send a council member to address your

09:40:43 school, we would be more than happy to go and speak on

09:40:46 whatever subject matter you choose.

09:40:49 Of course, we are city government of the City of Tampa.

09:40:53 Thank you for being here and hope you learned something

09:40:56 today.

09:40:57 Mr. Suarez?

09:40:58 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Ladies, you are supposed to say publicly

09:41:02 what a great teacher Mrs. ESPINOZA is.

09:41:08 >> She is.

09:41:09 >> She is.

09:41:10 So remember, the next time that you are renegotiating your

09:41:14 contract.

09:41:15 Thank you very much for being here.

09:41:16 And this is the second time that we had Villa Madonna come




09:41:20 while I have been on council and it's always a wonderful

09:41:22 experience to have students over here.

09:41:24 It's hard not to look at the screen, isn't it, when you are

09:41:27 over there?

09:41:28 When I first started I kept looking up at myself.

09:41:31 Wow, look at me, I'm on TV.

09:41:33 It's hard not to do that.

09:41:34 But welcome everyone here.

09:41:36 I hope that you enjoy the rest of your day.

09:41:38 I know that you have already talked to the fire chief, and

09:41:41 the chief of police, and I think you might be seeing the

09:41:45 mayor sometime today, and I will be talking to you guys a

09:41:48 little bit later on, too.

09:41:49 So welcome.

09:41:50 Enjoy yourself.

09:41:51 Remember, if there's any questions, you can ask us

09:41:54 afterwards.

09:41:54 We are glad that you are here.

09:41:56 Thanks for being here.

09:41:56 >> Thank you.

09:42:01 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: All right.

09:42:01 We go now -- let me open the workshops, 4 through 6.

09:42:05 Need a motion.

09:42:06 >> So moved.

09:42:07 >> I have a motion by Mr. Suarez.




09:42:08 Second by Mr. Reddick.

09:42:10 All in favor of the motion please indicate by saying aye.

09:42:13 Opposed nay.

09:42:13 The ayes have it unanimously.

09:42:15 Item number 4.

09:42:20 >>CATHERINE COYLE: It's my second week of being sick.

09:42:23 So the last time we spoke about animal rescue facilities, we

09:42:27 talked about the language that was in the 2010 cycle, and

09:42:31 that was creating a new special use for animal rescue

09:42:35 facilities in residential and in commercial districts.

09:42:38 With the pending animal -- that we have coming back to you

09:42:44 in May with the definition of animals and correction of the

09:42:48 age limit and the number of requirements, you made the

09:42:54 motion to come back today to look at animal rescue

09:42:57 facilities, or choosing additional animals for rescue

09:43:01 purposes, and the family definition.

09:43:04 Really, it's easier than creating a whole separate

09:43:11 permitting process.

09:43:12 I highlighted for you the current language coming back in

09:43:16 May, in yellow.

09:43:23 What we put under the current -- I'm sorry, under the

09:43:33 pending regulations for animals is the clarification that

09:43:35 you are allowed to have the four domestic companion animals,

09:43:41 within that one family unit.

09:43:42 What we spoke about last time was whether or not we should




09:43:45 just increase that number to maybe five or six to

09:43:47 accommodate additional rescue animals, rather than creating

09:43:50 a completely separate permitting process.

09:43:54 We also talked about whether or not we should clarify that,

09:43:59 maybe additional animals are either dogs or cats or certain

09:44:03 size requirement, weight requirement.

09:44:06 I have listed other regulations, and it varies from place to

09:44:09 place in Pinellas.

09:44:12 Several jurisdictions.

09:44:15 Clarify whether or not it's cats or dogs to extinguish

09:44:19 between the two.

09:44:20 I have spoken to a couple different people that work with

09:44:23 rescue facilities, agencies, and there is a need for that

09:44:30 obviously for rescue animals.

09:44:32 But not everybody is all of a sudden going to take in, you

09:44:35 know, dozens of animals.

09:44:38 It is a limited number of people that are going open their

09:44:44 homes to additional animals.

09:44:45 So the easiest way to do this probably would be just to

09:44:48 amend this definition, and really for your direction on

09:44:50 whether or not you want to distinguish between felines and

09:44:55 canines, because the thought behind the additional canines

09:45:01 is definitely the outdoor noise, and odor.

09:45:05 So really I am just looking for direction from council on

09:45:09 whether or not you want to increase that number.




09:45:10 >>HARRY COHEN: Just a question.

09:45:16 It struck me that 4 is too small of a number, particularly

09:45:20 as relates to people that actually rescue animals.

09:45:29 So what number would be more realistic and more in line with

09:45:35 the entire family that wants to open their home to animals

09:45:40 that are in need of care?

09:45:42 >> It's somewhere between six and eight seems to be the

09:45:45 appropriate number.

09:45:48 Two to three additional animals.

09:45:49 It's not that they will take in bunches of them.

09:45:52 >> So how does this have to be amended to allow up to eight?

09:45:57 >> You could just change the number.

09:46:00 You can literally just change the numbers that people can

09:46:03 keep that many animals in general and not specify, say

09:46:08 whether they are rescue or not, but just have eight animals

09:46:12 or seven animals.

09:46:14 >>HARRY COHEN: If I understand correctly, and we have been

09:46:17 through the entire chicken discussion, we don't need to go

09:46:20 through it again, but if you have four or five chickens, you

09:46:23 are finished at this point.

09:46:24 You can't have any dogs and cats, correct?

09:46:28 >>CATHERINE COYLE: No, the regulations for chickens, that's

09:46:31 the regulation, and actually they are excluded from that

09:46:33 number.

09:46:33 >> So you are excluding that?




09:46:35 >> Yes.

09:46:36 Chickens do not count against your number.

09:47:02 red road I just have one question for you.

09:47:04 And I'm just reading on the farm animals, this is required

09:47:12 within the city limits that you can have within the city

09:47:20 limits?

09:47:21 >>CATHERINE COYLE: You can currently have farm animals in

09:47:23 the city under chapter 19, regulations moving into 27, but

09:47:27 you have to have a 200-foot separation between the animal

09:47:31 and a residential dwelling unit.

09:47:33 Very few and far between that you can actually find property

09:47:37 that has a 200-foot separation from the animals.

09:47:40 >>FRANK REDDICK: How many farms do we have in the city?

09:47:45 >>CATHERINE COYLE: I know of two that are active.

09:47:46 >>FRANK REDDICK: If I had a backyard, I can have a goat?

09:47:56 >>CATHERINE COYLE: If you had more than an acre.

09:47:58 Depending on the length and the width of the property.

09:48:01 If it were a square acre then you would probably have to

09:48:04 have 2 acres of land to keep that distance because the block

09:48:09 we are sitting on is just over an acre so imagine your house

09:48:12 is in the center.

09:48:13 You still would have -- you would have to be at least a

09:48:16 block and a half away from another house if you lived

09:48:19 downtown.

09:48:19 >>FRANK REDDICK: Well, even if you were a block away can




09:48:22 you imagine what it would be like to have a goat and a mule

09:48:26 in your backyard?

09:48:28 I mean, I'm looking at the -- I'm looking at sanitation part

09:48:35 of it.

09:48:40 If a person is allowed to have a goat, a hog, a sheep, and a

09:48:48 mule in that distance that you spoke of, there's going to be

09:48:52 some difficulties for the next neighbor.

09:48:58 >> Well, the farm animals are not part of the topic today.

09:49:01 >>FRANK REDDICK: You had it on this piece of paper.

09:49:05 >>CATHERINE COYLE: Yes, this included the definitions but

09:49:07 that definition is the existing definition in code.

09:49:11 >>FRANK REDDICK: So are we going to discuss farm animals

09:49:14 one day?

09:49:15 >> When the farm regulations come back to you.

09:49:18 It is being moved from one chapter to another.

09:49:20 Those regulations exist today for farm animals as a 200-foot

09:49:25 separation.

09:49:25 And it's very rare that you can actually achieve that

09:49:29 200-foot separation in the city because most of the lots are

09:49:32 only 50 feet lots.

09:49:34 >>FRANK REDDICK: That's what I was wondering.

09:49:36 Thank you.

09:49:36 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you.

09:49:38 Won't belabor the whole farm animal aspect.

09:49:41 There is one that you mentioned, one in particular that I




09:49:44 know of, there's a horse facility south of Interbay and it

09:49:51 is relatively large.

09:49:52 It's next to one of our city parks on the east side.

09:49:56 >> The circle C ranch.

09:49:58 >> Circle C.

09:50:00 Thank you.

09:50:00 And I don't know what the western boundary is in terms of

09:50:03 how close they are to residential, but of course, you know,

09:50:05 like so many things in the city, it's an a ma'am gammation

09:50:10 of different uses at any one time.

09:50:12 And then encroachment of urban uses start coming in on what

09:50:19 at the time probably was a fairly, you know, farm use or

09:50:23 other things like that.

09:50:24 In terms of the rescue facility -- and I do think -- and Mr.

09:50:32 Carl brought it up in terms of number of animals -- because

09:50:36 what I want to try to avoid -- and I am going to say it

09:50:39 publicly anyway -- to have those that are -- in terms of

09:50:44 those that are already registered in actual facilities for

09:50:48 rescue animals versus those folks that are tied to warehouse

09:50:57 animals and it becomes a distinction without that permit,

09:51:00 some people might feel they have that right to have as many

09:51:02 animals as they want, when in fact what we are doing here is

09:51:06 essentially say, no, we are not going to have a facility

09:51:10 where you can have 16 cats or, you know.

09:51:13 And I like the distinction that I put together here.




09:51:17 When you have mentioned about other cities and other

09:51:21 counties in terms of what they do, what is the real

09:51:26 distinction in terms of the permitting part of it in

09:51:29 addition to the number of animals so that, you know, on that

09:51:34 process, there must be some specifics in terms of hygiene or

09:51:41 in terms of the way that they deal with waste, some other

09:51:45 things.

09:51:46 Did you find anything like that in terms of your research?

09:51:50 >>CATHERINE COYLE: Not directly.

09:51:51 It treated differently, I think, if you are keeping them at

09:51:54 your home.

09:51:55 And it's declared a public nuisance to have the noise and

09:52:01 odor related to excrement, related to animals.

09:52:06 It's essentially required for public health reasons, and

09:52:12 nearly all jurisdiction if not all of them make sure you

09:52:14 keep your backyard clean, that you don't have loud dogs

09:52:19 barking, it's a basic requirement throughout he have one

09:52:21 that I read.

09:52:22 So it's not that there's any heightened requirement for

09:52:25 that.

09:52:25 You are not allowed to do that.

09:52:27 >> Are you talking about no requirement for an individual

09:52:32 who has more than one animal?

09:52:34 Or is it in terms of the permitting process for rescue

09:52:37 facilities?




09:52:42 The rest of the facilities to have the care that's

09:52:46 necessary, and it may not go directly into land use

09:52:51 language.

09:52:51 But that may be something for us to look at, because we do

09:52:56 have the permitting part of it, but not knowing what the

09:52:58 permitting part is ourselves, it's a little more difficult

09:53:02 to figure out, should we put anything within land use that

09:53:05 takes care of those particular issues?

09:53:08 And so I'm asking a question that you can't answer, but that

09:53:13 I can't answer either.

09:53:14 I know that's a little unfair.

09:53:16 But when it's in the definition, I would rather us have some

09:53:19 knowledge of what that means so that if we need to take care

09:53:22 of it on a land use side --

09:53:25 >>CATHERINE COYLE: Well, for me I'm distinguishing between

09:53:28 the single-family house that rescued a couple animals.

09:53:31 If you are looking at it from a residential standpoint, no

09:53:34 matter how many animals you have, that's where that public

09:53:37 nuisance part comes in.

09:53:38 You are not allowed to have your backyard filled with

09:53:41 excrement and creating that odor and noise problem from the

09:53:43 animal.

09:53:44 >> I understand.

09:53:46 >> But in the city if it's more of a commercial facility to

09:53:50 rescue animals, maybe you have lots of animals, that's when




09:53:52 you get into the licensing permitting aspect, and the

09:54:00 drainage and everything else.

09:54:01 >> And all I'm saying, Mrs. Coyle, I would like to know what

09:54:05 those requirements are, because I don't think we want to get

09:54:08 into a discussion as to having to determine on a code

09:54:10 enforcement side that you are not -- that you are not a

09:54:15 rescue facility, or you are a rescue facility.

09:54:19 And when we look at it on our end, we have to go back and

09:54:22 look at what the permitted use is on the county side, so I

09:54:27 would rather have some knowledge of that first to deal with

09:54:32 the land use part.

09:54:36 Because one leads into the other because the definition is

09:54:39 within our land use, but not knowing what the permitted

09:54:43 operation is, I would rather have, you know, land use, but

09:54:49 just that knowledge so that we can go forward, if there is

09:54:52 something else we might want to tweak for the land use park.

09:54:55 >> Just to clarify, animal services, as far as I'm aware,

09:55:00 last time I checked a few months ago, they had not had a

09:55:06 permitting process for animal rescue -- it's countywide.

09:55:12 They don't actually issue permits to create an animal rescue

09:55:16 facility at your home.

09:55:18 What I was hoping to do, a simple way to look at this, from

09:55:24 a residential standpoint, if you did want to encourage the

09:55:30 ability for a home to take in a couple extra animals, it's

09:55:33 really looking at the number in the definition.




09:55:35 You are allowed to keep four as a family, then maybe clarify

09:55:39 you need two additional or three additional or however the

09:55:42 number is, and somewhere between six and eight seem to be

09:55:46 the average as rescue animals.

09:55:48 >> Right.

09:55:49 And I think you probably fall along the same line of

09:55:52 thinking which is I don't want to have any conflict, because

09:55:55 the county has such a diverse land mass in terms of what

09:56:01 might fit in and what might not.

09:56:03 I don't know whether the land use side when it comes to

09:56:06 urban Id area.

09:56:07 And I want to make sure that what we do here fits more

09:56:11 particularly with if you want to have eight animals, and you

09:56:16 consider them a rescue facility, by virtue of the fact that

09:56:21 you have eight animals, I want to make sure that we have got

09:56:24 those regulations in place to make sure throws no conflict.

09:56:28 So that's what I am talking about.

09:56:32 I hope you understand my line of thinking, which I want to

09:56:35 make sure if you want to deal with it on a land use side

09:56:38 let's do it now, because not knowing what the definition is,

09:56:41 I don't want to go forward.

09:56:43 >> But a little matrix just to show you the county

09:56:48 definitions and the numbers by zoning classifications to

09:56:52 make it clear.

09:56:53 >> That will be very helpful.




09:56:56 I don't want to create more problems.

09:56:57 I want to solve one and not create five.

09:57:00 >>CATHERINE COYLE: I can come back in a staff report on that

09:57:03 with that information.

09:57:03 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I make a motion on that, to bring back a

09:57:09 matrix concerning what the facility definition is for a

09:57:16 rescue facility, so that we can understand better what we

09:57:20 are putting into the land use code.

09:57:23 June 6th at 9 a.m.?

09:57:47 10 a.m., excuse me.

09:57:48 >> I have a motion by Mr. Suarez.

09:57:51 Second by Mr. Reddick.

09:58:01 Motion passed unanimously.

09:58:04 Mrs. Capin?

09:58:12 >>YVONNE CAPIN: A clarification on the rescue number total.

09:58:15 We are trying to lump it all into one.

09:58:17 So they could actually be eight rescue in the home.

09:58:22 They have four that they can keep.

09:58:28 So all eight could be rescued.

09:58:38 A representative of the Humane Society is here, and I would

09:58:41 like to ask her about it because this came to my attention,

09:58:44 because he can of the work that the rescue --

09:58:55 >> And the number of animals that are out there and need

09:58:58 homes.

09:59:02 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Is there a time on how long these animals




09:59:06 can stay in the home?

09:59:08 >>CATHERINE COYLE: No, I didn't propose a time limit.

09:59:10 It's until they -- I was a foster parent.

09:59:14 I adopted children out of foster care and I have some kind

09:59:16 of correlation in my mind, and from what I understand with

09:59:22 rescue animals is they are looking for that permanent home.

09:59:28 And they essentially foster those animals and take care of

09:59:31 them as their own and give them regular vaccinations and

09:59:36 everything else until they find a permanent home, and give

09:59:39 their interview process and everything else.

09:59:41 So it's much akin to human fostering.

09:59:46 They are keeping them until they find a permanent home, as

09:59:48 far as my understanding.

09:59:54 >>YVONNE CAPIN: When the number was brought up six, eight,

09:59:57 ten --

10:00:00 >> Eight seems to be the basic average or range across the

10:00:03 regulations that I have seen.

10:00:05 So certainly we have the ability to choose the number that

10:00:09 fits for our community.

10:00:10 And we may want to balance that somehow with what our

10:00:13 population is willing to accept in residential areas, and

10:00:16 how many animals are actually out there.

10:00:19 That's one thing I haven't been able to find a clear number

10:00:21 on, how many animals are actually in need of placement.

10:00:25 >>HARRY COHEN: Well, just a clarification of what we are




10:00:31 talking about.

10:00:32 If it's four pets plus eight rescue or four plus four for a

10:00:38 total of eight?

10:00:39 Or if you have zero --

10:00:43 >> It's a total of six to eight.

10:00:45 That's where the range is.

10:00:58 >>YVONNE CAPIN: That's what I wanted to clarify.

10:01:00 But thank you for that.

10:01:01 And thank you for explaining how important the rescues are

10:01:04 to -- you know, we have gone from, I think, euthanasia in

10:01:11 the county from 78 to 35, which is still high, but because

10:01:17 of the wonderful people fostering these animals, that has

10:01:23 happened.

10:01:23 And I know it's very important to the county rescue and to

10:01:27 the city, their services.

10:01:30 So I appreciate it.

10:01:31 And we'll see you June 6th.

10:01:34 >>CATHERINE COYLE: We are still on track for the July cycle

10:01:39 even coming back in the June meeting.

10:01:43 You can give some direction that day.

10:01:45 I will know exactly what to put into that cycle.

10:01:48 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Ms. Coyle, at the beginning of dialogue

10:01:51 here with us, you mentioned that certainly some individuals

10:01:55 want this to happen.

10:01:57 I understand that.




10:01:57 How many individuals do you think are going to go into the

10:02:02 proposed definition of what six to eight means?

10:02:07 >>CATHERINE COYLE: How many?

10:02:08 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Yes.

10:02:10 Do we have any regulation who is going to regulate, if any

10:02:14 calls happen, who is going to do that?

10:02:18 Has the administration considered any regulations at all?

10:02:25 >>CATHERINE COYLE: It's code enforcement.

10:02:27 And keeping it at the simple head count makes it easier to

10:02:33 enforce if you go in and count heads, essentially.

10:02:36 The more layers of regulation you put onto something can

10:02:40 make it more interpretive when you get in the field.

10:02:43 Simplifying it and making it very clear as the number.

10:02:49 If you start to distinguish between weight of animals, and

10:02:55 the code enforcement officers don't carry a scale with them,

10:02:58 but if you make it clear cats or dogs, number, or a head

10:03:03 count, that's pretty easy to distinguish when they walk in

10:03:05 the house.

10:03:06 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you.

10:03:09 This is a workshop.

10:03:11 Three minutes per speaker.

10:03:13 Total of each at the end of each workshop.

10:03:15 But we haven't closed this workshop.

10:03:16 So council is finished with their remarks.

10:03:20 I am going to ask anyone in the audience who cares to speak




10:03:23 for three minutes to come forward on this item.

10:03:25 Item number 4.

10:03:28 >> I live at 1203 East Broad Street, and I wanted to thank

10:03:34 council for taking this issue under consideration.

10:03:38 I have been a volunteer for rescue groups for nine years.

10:03:42 I am a certified professional dog trainer.

10:03:44 And I typically take in animals that need their behavior

10:03:49 evaluated and determine whether or not -- excuse me -- a

10:03:57 medical rehab in terms of very minor things like heart worm

10:04:01 treatment that would extend the family shelter beyond the

10:04:05 time the shelter can keep them, and therefore it saves their

10:04:09 life.

10:04:10 So I just want to thank you, the number 8 is probably

10:04:20 reasonable based on my experience, but a lot of foster homes

10:04:26 in the community.

10:04:33 There are thousands of animals but now I have four so I will

10:04:37 be excluded as a foster home in the future if you keep the

10:04:40 number at four.

10:04:40 Thank you.

10:04:42 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.

10:04:42 Next, please.

10:04:43 >> Okay, I'm ed.

10:04:50 Ed Tillou.

10:04:51 Yes, I think noise, when I moved from long island, we had a

10:05:07 few goats and chickens until a we see he'll came by and ate




10:05:11 them all.

10:05:12 Not goats, of course.

10:05:13 We got rid of them.

10:05:14 But she decided she wanted to have a kennel and we had

10:05:17 basically six to eight dogs at a time, half of them in the

10:05:21 barn.

10:05:21 And I guess that's the main thing I want to bring up here.

10:05:26 The county commission has an ordinance that's largely

10:05:32 unenforceable.

10:05:34 It just doesn't address things.

10:05:35 And a big part of that is because they have one meeting a

10:05:40 month, they don't have workshops, they don't have hearings.

10:05:43 So the kind of input you are getting, you can't get through

10:05:46 the county commission.

10:05:48 I think there's a problem there.

10:05:50 But anyway, went from the dog kennel with six to ate dogs,

10:06:06 and she became president of the Humane Society, and she

10:06:12 stayed as far from animal rescue as she could.

10:06:16 She sent the animals to a pound or something.

10:06:19 But, you know, it was two or three.

10:06:23 But that was all she could deal with.

10:06:25 But when she came down here, by that time it was down to one

10:06:30 dog.

10:06:30 She worked with the Pinellas County Humane Society.

10:06:34 And what's interesting is they worked to get the dog houses




10:06:38 out in the yards.

10:06:39 So the animals -- and it mate cost -- I thought that was

10:06:59 more important.

10:07:01 So I guess what I would say is to try to think in terms of

10:07:09 something like that, that has a problem with individual

10:07:17 dogs.

10:07:18 And I commend the people doing this animal rescue, because

10:07:26 maybe my aunt was a hypocrite by not doing it herself, but

10:07:29 she did a lot.

10:07:30 She helped out.

10:07:31 And I commend yourselves for having these workshops and

10:07:34 hearings which the county commission doesn't.

10:07:36 And you hear those people speak as individuals.

10:07:39 And it's very sharp people, and they make very good points.

10:07:42 But you put them all together and somehow it doesn't work.

10:07:53 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.

10:07:54 Next, please.

10:07:55 >> I live at 4605 Ballast Point and I'm here representing

10:08:03 the Humane Society of Tampa Bay.

10:08:05 We really appreciate you looking at this.

10:08:11 That work in animal rescue.

10:08:14 I have two cats, two dogs, a big yard, my neighbors don't

10:08:21 even know I have cats.

10:08:24 But for me to be able to take home a litter of kittens, this

10:08:30 ordinance would need to be changed because a litter of




10:08:32 kittens would be three or four kittens so eight, people

10:08:36 doing rescuing, to be able to do that.

10:08:41 Usually when there is a nuisance animal in the house that's

10:08:46 barking and disturbing neighbors, it's usually one, I not

10:08:50 the number of animals that are actually causing the trouble.

10:08:53 I think especially rescue would be wonderful because we have

10:09:00 a lot of animals.

10:09:02 We have probably close to a thousand animals at rescue homes

10:09:06 so it's very beneficial if in the City of Tampa people could

10:09:11 have some extra kittens in one of their rooms and they are

10:09:15 not going to disturb anybody in the neighborhood.

10:09:19 Thank you very much.

10:09:23 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Next, please.

10:09:23 >> Just to make it clear there is an exemption that animals

10:09:29 under six months of age don't count against the number.

10:09:42 >> MacNamara.

10:09:46 2 I live in Pasco County.

10:09:53 I serve as a volunteer for animal rescue.

10:09:57 I have six of my own personal dogs.

10:09:59 Five which were rescued out of Hillsborough County.

10:10:01 And I have five rescue dogs.

10:10:03 Again, I have actually eleven dogs when I was here in the

10:10:10 city.

10:10:11 Nobody ever knew.

10:10:18 The animals were never a problem because they were a part of




10:10:24 my family.

10:10:25 So I respected my neighbors.

10:10:27 The animals were cleaned up afterwards.

10:10:29 Washed on a regular basis.

10:10:36 So limiting the number is not necessarily the thing to look

10:10:41 at.

10:10:41

10:10:41

10:10:41

10:10:52 It's open if anybody wants to come in and examine the homes

10:12:01 and make sure.

10:12:03 Thank you for your time.

10:12:09 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.

10:12:10 Next, please.

10:12:10 >> My name is Sharon, in South Tampa.

10:12:17 My husband and I volunteer with three nonprofit

10:12:20 organizations.

10:12:23 Transfer animals back and forth.

10:12:40 One of the things that we are asking for -- and I appreciate

10:12:43 that number being considered to be high -- for foster homes,

10:12:51 some dogs can't be adopted right out of the humane shelter.

10:12:58 But they have training so they don't have to invest in time

10:13:10 so it's taking that little extra care that they are willing

10:13:14 to do.

10:13:17 So that foster home is such an intangible number.




10:13:25 Just to foster one more animal.

10:13:29 And people go, oh, I'll take in five more.

10:13:32 I'll take ten more.

10:13:34 I'll be a burden to the neighbors.

10:13:35 They think, I do really want more animal?

10:13:38 And they are not going to sit there and just have five more

10:13:42 dogs if they are going to adopt.

10:13:44 They are just opening the home for that one more animal.

10:13:47 So taking that burden and saying, okay, we are going to have

10:13:52 it at eight, whatever they feel they can do as a family

10:13:56 unit, they are going to do.

10:13:59 They are not bound by the number four.

10:14:01 And I think changing that, considering that would be a great

10:14:06 thing.

10:14:11 They are not looking to be a rescue center.

10:14:13 They are just looking to house that dog so that people that

10:14:18 normally would look at a dog and turn away, they would see a

10:14:21 healthy dog and say, I'll adopt that.

10:14:23 So if you change that number today, I appreciate all of your

10:14:29 time.

10:14:30 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.

10:14:31 >>CATHERINE COYLE: I just spoke and a question in my mind

10:14:38 about the number that might take in animals.

10:14:41 And there is not typically a stipend or monthly payment to

10:14:49 people.




10:14:50 It's when animal service gets a grant, they might be able to

10:14:54 give some money to people that take in rescue animals to try

10:14:58 to get them healthy.

10:15:00 They provide the food and medicine but I think the people

10:15:02 that open the doors really are truly doing it out of the

10:15:05 kindness of their hearts.

10:15:06 This is not something they are just doing to make money.

10:15:12 I don't know that there's going to be an abundance of people

10:15:16 rushing to have tons of animals.

10:15:17 >>HARRY COHEN: And my guess is that the people that rescue

10:15:20 animals is almost all cases are probably already pet owners.

10:15:26 So we have to remember that the pets that are there are

10:15:32 counting against the total number as well.

10:15:39 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Anyone else who has not spoken care to

10:15:41 speak on this item?

10:15:43 Okay.

10:15:43 We need to -- we opened this hearing.

10:15:47 We discussed it.

10:15:48 Mrs. Capin.

10:15:51 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Real quick I want to thank you everyone for

10:15:53 coming to this workshop and helping us with making our

10:15:56 decision.

10:15:56 So thank you.

10:15:58 And we look forward to seeing you June 6th.

10:16:02 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Need a motion to close the workshop.




10:16:04 Motion by Mr. Cohen.

10:16:05 Seconded by Mr. Suarez on a close vote with Mr. Reddick.

10:16:09 All in favor of the motion indicate by saying aye.

10:16:11 Opposed nay.

10:16:12 Eyes have it unanimously.

10:16:13 We go to workshop number 5.

10:16:26 >>GREG BAYOR: Parks and recreation.

10:16:29 I'm here today to talk about our summer program.

10:16:37 I would like to introduce my director with any technical

10:16:47 questions that I can't answer.

10:17:01 Heather, Thomas, Gary.

10:17:05 I am very delighted to say that our summer pools look like

10:17:11 they are ready to go.

10:17:12 We have work we are doing out there now painting and they

10:17:16 are in good shape, no major issues.

10:17:18 If there's any one issue out there, applications are coming

10:17:25 in.

10:17:27 So summer pools open May 25th and close September

10:17:34 2nd.

10:17:36 This year all eleven pools will be open Saturday open swim.

10:17:42 Open Sunday for open swim.

10:17:44 Sulphur Springs, DeSoto Park, Interbay, Delrio, and we

10:17:49 have a goal this year of increasing our swim by 25%.

10:17:54 We have data we would like to share with you today

10:18:08 Gary is going to pass these out.




10:18:10 I'll explain tout as we go through them.

10:18:13 I think the thing you are going to find interesting is these

10:18:24 are -- I know there's going to be a lot to digest.

10:20:15 Just for comparison sake, we did the same thing for the city

10:20:20 of St. Pete.

10:20:22 You can see how these stack up.

10:20:33 We are going to show you all the city high schools.

10:20:45 We also did a half mile, one mile radius.

10:20:51 You get up, get on your bike.

10:20:54 Obviously times have changed for our youth today.

10:20:57 They don't have that much freedom of being on the streets

10:21:01 and it's down to the one mile radius.

10:21:08 And I think what you will find entertaining, we are starting

10:21:10 to produce our demographics.

10:21:24 We know which one are our minority areas, and a nice number

10:21:35 in our program.

10:21:42 >>HARRY COHEN: Mr. Bayor, if someone in the public wants to

10:21:47 find out what pools are open when, where do they go, and

10:21:53 what do they do to get that information?

10:22:06 They are going to go to Tampa GOV.net and then they can also

10:22:15 call the Parks Department.

10:22:18 That's online?

10:22:20 >> And each pool has its hours of operation.

10:22:24 >>HARRY COHEN: And now that council members have all this

10:22:27 information, we'll have it, too, so we will be able to




10:22:30 direct.

10:22:33 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Let me ask you a quick question, publicly or

10:22:55 privately.

10:23:12 We live in Tampa.

10:23:13 Why don't we have year round pools?

10:23:15 Is it a cost issue, a maintenance issue?

10:23:18 >>GREG BAYOR: Well, certainly all of the above.

10:23:20 You have a pool year round, it's very expensive.

10:23:24 >> I guess my point is, you know, if we don't need a pool

10:23:32 year round -- my point is, living in Florida, you know,

10:23:38 pools generally are accessible in materials of the weather

10:23:41 for the most part year round except for lightning and other

10:23:46 severe weather conditions.

10:23:47 Why don't we do it year round?

10:23:49 Is it primarily a function of budget?

10:23:50 Or is it maintenance schedule issues?

10:23:54 Because heating a pool is not really that much of an issue.

10:24:00 If it's not heated then that's a different issue, if you

10:24:02 follow my thinking, which is we have ten pools, we have

10:24:06 between four and five open year round.

10:24:10 What's the purpose of not opening up year round?

10:24:13 That's the only question I had.

10:24:16 There's not a terrific reason why we won't.

10:24:19 >> Well, budget, year round, December through basically the

10:24:34 first of March.




10:24:48 So the temperature ranges.

10:25:11 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I appreciate you answering that because from

10:25:13 my constituents, I hear in Florida, why don't we have pools

10:25:17 open year round?

10:25:19 The second thing I was going to ask you is how do you

10:25:21 determine which pools are open on a seasonal basis?

10:25:25 So, for example, we know the reason why other pools when we

10:25:29 first came on council, there's other issues.

10:25:33 That being said, why do we close certain pools?

10:25:38 Is it because we looked at the demographics, the number of

10:25:42 users we have in that particular pool?

10:25:44 Do we say, now what?

10:25:45 During this time frame it's probably better to I don't think

10:26:05 we did it before you were here, Greg, and you may have

10:26:07 already done it and I apologize if you haven't this year,

10:26:12 which is, do we have analysis of the pools during summer

10:26:23 hours?

10:26:23 As an example, is Interbay used more than, you know, some of

10:26:27 the other pools that are heated?

10:26:33 Is there a demographic shift during certain times?

10:26:36 And the reason I ask these, A, we get these questions from

10:26:39 constituents.

10:26:40 And secondly, and I know you are doing this, which is how do

10:26:43 we maximize the budget that we have for the aquatics

10:26:46 programming so that you are serving the most number of




10:26:50 people at the best time so that we get the most bang for our

10:26:54 buck?

10:26:59 How do you analyze those?

10:27:05 >> It's a matter of calculations.

10:27:16 But we need those starred.

10:27:31 Another reason --

10:27:40 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Well, if I could make a suggestion I'll

10:27:42 leave you with this.

10:27:43 Because we get so many questions about the use of pools, and

10:27:46 why certain pools are open, why certain pools are closed.

10:27:50 If we could -- as soon as we get that information, report it

10:27:53 on our Web site for parks and rec, because I think that, you

10:27:59 know, pools become, I won't say entitlement but it becomes

10:28:05 an issue of we do have the kind of weather people say why

10:28:11 don't we have pools open all year round?

10:28:14 You have answered those questions.

10:28:15 The second question, I have got kids here during the

10:28:17 summertime and the closest pool is down the street but it's

10:28:20 not open or the closest pool is within a one-mile radius and

10:28:24 is not open.

10:28:25 Why the heck is not that not open?

10:28:29 I think it helps to alleviate some people's thinking in

10:28:31 terms of where we are at, and why we open certain pools and

10:28:35 why we close certain pools.

10:28:36 And I think that's an important aspect of this whole




10:28:39 discussion, because it really is, as we have discussed many

10:28:41 times, parks and recreation is one of the only places in

10:28:47 which people come into direct contact with city government.

10:28:52 And especially in the summer.

10:28:54 And that's something that we are always having -- I know

10:28:58 that myself, Mr. Reddick, Mr. Cohen, especially have to

10:29:04 communicate with B what's going on with pools.

10:29:06 And I know you probably are in agreement with that.

10:29:09 We have to talk about this every summer.

10:29:10 And so we want to make sure -- and we appreciate you giving

10:29:13 us all this information.

10:29:14 But we may want to put it on the Web site, and actually

10:29:17 report it out to the individual rec centers, too, that have

10:29:21 pools so that people know what we are doing here at the

10:29:24 Parks and Recreation Department.

10:29:25 I appreciate it.

10:29:38 Usually when I talk I don't emulate anyone's thinking.

10:29:43 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Is there a second on that motion?

10:29:45 [ Laughter ]

10:29:45 Mr. Reddick?

10:29:46 >>FRANK REDDICK: Thank you, Mr. Chair.

10:29:52 Looking at this chart, I see there's two pools west side of

10:30:00 town, and you have one closed, and MLK pool.

10:30:22 >> That is on Monday.

10:30:39 At some point have to close.




10:30:42 And I know I didn't get a chance to go over every one of

10:30:45 these.

10:30:45 >> So MLK is just closed on Monday.

10:32:02 I see a turnout of people in the pools when itself was

10:32:06 operational.

10:32:07 And I may have missed it but what was the determining factor

10:32:14 for not open all year long?

10:32:25 Was it staff?

10:32:28 >>

10:32:30 >> It's a seasonal pool.

10:32:31 >> Do you all evaluate these pools to determine about the

10:32:36 seasonal and the year-round?

10:32:38 Do you have some type of fact that you can go back and look

10:32:41 at this and say, well, we got this park listed as a seasonal

10:32:48 pool, but it can be year round.

10:32:52 >> I have in the past and would be glad to do analysis, just

10:33:02 based on natural heating.

10:33:08 >> Because during the summer months, you don't have to heat

10:33:12 the pool, right?

10:33:13 >> No, not at all.

10:33:14 >> And in Florida, when we have one or two months, we get

10:33:20 cold weather, you might have to turn on some heat.

10:33:27 I mean, if you looked at these two months for these that are

10:33:32 seasonal, and not utilize, in the winter months --

10:33:43 >> Let's not for get the correlation of seasonal pool.




10:33:50 If we staffed pools all year round we would be staffing them

10:33:54 where we had the most children there, the most adults.

10:33:58 We could cut the hours back.

10:34:00 But seasonal pool is based on the summer recess period.

10:34:04 >> And this is based on -- you are basing it on the kids

10:34:11 that utilize the pools.

10:34:13 But it also can be utilized by adults, too.

10:34:18 >> I wish we had more adults using them.

10:34:20 >> Right.

10:34:21 But I think the programs, a little more adult services that

10:34:27 use the facilities, you know, you would have more adult

10:34:33 participation.

10:34:34 And I just think that it can be done, not being utilized,

10:34:40 and dependent on the students, because most of these

10:34:46 facilities have after school programs for the kids.

10:34:51 And I have seen some where they have over a hundred kids

10:34:56 participating in after-school programs.

10:34:58 And these kids getting out like 2:00, 3:00 in the afternoon.

10:35:04 So that pool could be utilized in addition to the adult

10:35:10 programs, and some of them have adult programs that I have

10:35:12 seen, because they have exercise programs for the adults and

10:35:22 different other programs.

10:35:23 So I just want to see how this analysis be done, the

10:35:29 evaluation be done to determine how these programs, these

10:35:35 pools can be looked upon and utilized more than just in the




10:35:38 season and the summer months.

10:35:43 And you represent a very valuable department.

10:35:52 And I think you have to be a politician and say, I need the

10:35:59 money.

10:36:02 We have been building facilities throughout this city, and

10:36:05 we have greater participation, but if you don't say anything

10:36:10 and make your case to whoever is doing the budgeting out

10:36:13 here, you are not going to get anything.

10:36:16 So I think you need to say -- there's two departments and

10:36:29 then I will shut up, Mr. Chair.

10:36:30 There are two departments that need funding, code

10:36:33 enforcement and Parks and Recreation Department.

10:36:38 But if code enforcement directors and park and recreation

10:36:43 department directors don't become politicians for making a

10:36:51 case and begging for increase in funding for your program --

10:36:54 and I think you have got justification to do it -- you are

10:36:58 not going to get anything.

10:36:59 Because ain't nobody going to walk into your office and give

10:37:03 you a million dollars to run your program.

10:37:05 But I believe you can make justification to the mayor and

10:37:07 the budget department, finance department, you and code

10:37:12 enforcement should be doing that.

10:37:14 And I just want to put that out there, because people are

10:37:17 utilizing these parks.

10:37:21 And what I think, Mr. Suarez, every time we go to these




10:37:27 facilities, meetings, people are coming up and -- I mean,

10:37:31 people are questioning about the parks and the pools.

10:37:34 We get all that.

10:37:36 And we have a justification for saying we need additional

10:37:41 funding in order to meet the needs of the community.

10:37:44 And I just want to throw that out to you.

10:37:49 So sharpen your skills and go over up with on one and do the

10:37:53 politician, try to be a politician and get this done.

10:37:56 Thank you.

10:37:56 >>HARRY COHEN: Councilwoman Capin.

10:38:02 >>YVONNE CAPIN: As far as the budget and increasing, that

10:38:05 would be our job right here.

10:38:06 That's what we do.

10:38:08 Now, that's why I brought up -- and we are going to have a

10:38:12 workshop on May 23rd on just that, the budget.

10:38:18 But more importantly, in the past, I know that directors

10:38:23 came directly to City Council members to talk about their

10:38:27 needs, their budget.

10:38:29 We don't have that.

10:38:31 I think that might be helpful to bring back.

10:38:36 So when it comes to increasing -- I don't know about being a

10:38:42 politician.

10:38:43 Maybe that will help.

10:38:44 I don't know.

10:38:44 We got the votes.




10:38:45 We are here.

10:38:46 But, you know, you are administrator.

10:38:51 You were hired to do the job.

10:38:53 But I do believe that coming to council and making your case

10:39:00 as to how you are using the budget, why you think you need

10:39:03 more, where you think it needs to be more, that would be

10:39:06 very helpful to us.

10:39:08 Because when you look at the budget, it comes to us, and I

10:39:16 think a workshop, that's one of the things I will look at is

10:39:21 directors coming to City Council members and also, you know,

10:39:28 we are responsible for that budget.

10:39:31 That's what we do.

10:39:32 >> I'm sure all departments are woefully behind what they

10:39:43 could do if they had more funding.

10:39:45 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Right.

10:39:46 And everybody knows we have a budget deficit.

10:39:48 But there could be ways of moving money around that we may

10:39:53 prioritize that may not be prioritized, or might not be

10:39:57 recognized by the administration until it's pointed out, but

10:40:01 it would be very helpful if it's pointed out from the dais

10:40:05 right here.

10:40:06 So thank you.

10:40:08 And thanks, Councilman Reddick and Councilman Suarez for

10:40:14 their input.

10:40:15 >>HARRY COHEN: I just wanted to say to close out, I had




10:40:19 originally asked for this mainly because I wanted for us as

10:40:23 council members to have this information so we could

10:40:26 actually have a baseline to see what was going on at the

10:40:29 individual pools.

10:40:30 One of the questions that I have gotten from a lot of people

10:40:33 that are looking forward to using the Jenkins pool, I'm sure

10:40:36 Mr. Reddick has heard this from people that are looking

10:40:39 forward to the opening of the Williams park pool, they want

10:40:43 to know what's going on at the other pools so they have a

10:40:45 sense of what they can expect the baseline of service will

10:40:47 be that they can expect from the pool that is nearest to

10:40:52 them.

10:40:53 I also just wanted to say that these are the most popular

10:40:59 and used programs in the city and I think what you heard

10:41:03 from council members is we are all really very supportive of

10:41:05 doing everything we can to help make sure that you all have

10:41:08 the resources that you need in order to keep as many pools

10:41:12 open and functioning as much of the time as is possible.

10:41:16 I know that I really appreciated some of your staff taking

10:41:20 me around to some of the different pools.

10:41:22 And I have noticed that there is some incongruity in terms

10:41:29 of what's actually being utilized and what's actually being

10:41:32 offered.

10:41:32 And I don't think we should jump to the conclusion that it

10:41:37 always makes sense to keep every pool open year round,




10:41:40 because I visited some which are fully heated which didn't

10:41:44 seem to be utilized at all, particularly in the middle of

10:41:47 the school day.

10:41:48 On the other hand, we definitely have time during the

10:41:51 summer, after-school hours, where there are way more kids

10:41:55 wanting to use the pools than there is room for them.

10:41:58 So this information that you have given us which is really

10:42:01 comprehensive, and I think really helpful, will help us

10:42:05 understand better where the resources are being allocated

10:42:08 and will give us the ability, I think, to suggest to you any

10:42:11 ideas that we might have about ways that resources can be

10:42:16 juggled in order to serve the maximum amount of people.

10:42:20 And I just want to echo everyone else's sentiments that we

10:42:24 are really glad that these pools are open and the youth and

10:42:30 adults in our community have the advantage to take advantage

10:42:32 of some really great facilities.

10:42:34 So thank you very much.

10:42:35 Mr. Suarez.

10:42:35 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I apologize.

10:42:38 Greg, one last question.

10:42:41 And this will help us -- I think Mr. Reddick pointed it up

10:42:45 in terms of the budget issues.

10:42:49 It would really help us to know the cost of running a heated

10:42:55 pool year round, and then just give us an idea of what the

10:42:59 cost is to run both the physical part of it and then the




10:43:06 programming part of it, because in terms of what the costs

10:43:13 are, in terms of the specific pools, because some pools are

10:43:16 going to cost more to heat versus other pools based on their

10:43:19 size, based on the age, based on a lot of other things.

10:43:24 And in addition, you know, all those other things.

10:43:27 There's cleaning.

10:43:28 You have to be sure it's maintained, that the pumps are

10:43:32 maintained, the amount of chemicals that get put into it.

10:43:36 There are so many other things you that go in pools.

10:43:38 And you know how much trouble it can be.

10:43:40 So maybe we can get a report from you either individually,

10:43:45 meeting with us individually, and give us that information,

10:43:48 or the next time you are back at council.

10:43:51 I don't want to make it a specific recommendation if you

10:43:55 come back on a staff report but I do think that's a piece of

10:43:58 information that we would really greatly appreciate so that

10:44:00 we know exactly that part of the pool maintenance and pool

10:44:06 programming so that we can plan better for the budget that's

10:44:09 coming up.

10:44:10 Because we are going to start getting numbers soon in terms

10:44:12 of where we are at in revenue and that ball has already

10:44:17 started to go forward with what you are going to need.

10:44:19 I'm sure that the mayor and administration already told you,

10:44:22 hey, now what?

10:44:23 Cut back, or give us a number with 50% cut, 5, 10%, or as




10:44:29 is.

10:44:30 So I know that that's going to work into the system but we

10:44:36 would greatly appreciate it if you could give it to us so we

10:44:39 can sort of analyze it.

10:44:40 Thank you.

10:44:44 If you want, I will entertain a motion to have it brought

10:44:47 before -- you wanted to have this brought before us?

10:44:51 >> Yes, to submit in the writing to us.

10:44:54 Is two weeks?

10:44:55 >> We can do that.

10:44:56 >> Okay. In two weeks.

10:44:58 >>HARRY COHEN: We have a motion from Councilman Suarez,

10:45:00 seconded by Councilman Reddick.

10:45:02 All those in favor indicate by saying aye.

10:45:04 Councilwoman Capin.

10:45:06 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I'm sorry.

10:45:10 That the Parks Department deliver to us a written statement

10:45:13 of the cost of facility maintenance and programming at each

10:45:18 one of the pools on a yearly basis.

10:45:22 Thank you.

10:45:26 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Thank you.

10:45:27 And I want to thank you, Councilman Cohen, for bringing this

10:45:30 forth.

10:45:30 And again, it gets back to the budget and it gets back to --

10:45:38 you know, we ask for this information.




10:45:40 We ask for this workshop to talk about it.

10:45:43 When it could be automatic.

10:45:44 It could be something that we do.

10:45:46 If we have a concern, that's where a budget analyst would

10:45:50 come in to drill down into these budgets and come back to

10:45:54 council and say, yeah, that can be done, and this is how it

10:45:58 can be done.

10:45:59 Or it can't be done.

10:46:00 There is no more fund.

10:46:02 That's where the budget analyst comes in, where we can have

10:46:05 them drill down into our specific concerns that we have.

10:46:11 Councilman Reddick mentioned the code enforcement.

10:46:15 That is another one.

10:46:18 And, you know, we have these workshops.

10:46:21 And now you are going to bring back in writing the

10:46:25 maintenance of the pools.

10:46:26 And that is time consuming.

10:46:30 By the time we have that information, in order to change

10:46:33 that budget, that ball is rolling.

10:46:38 And I think it's very, very important that we catch it early

10:46:42 and are able to change it in time.

10:46:55 I think that was it.

10:46:57 It went poof and it's not there anymore for now.

10:47:00 Thank you.

10:47:01 >>HARRY COHEN: If there are no more questions from council




10:47:04 members, Mr. Bayor, thank you very much.

10:47:07 Mr. Miranda had asked earlier for a motion to close workshop

10:47:10 number 4.

10:47:11 But before we do that -- excuse me, the workshop -- is there

10:47:15 anyone from the public that wishes to speak about

10:47:17 specifically about the pools?

10:47:23 I see one person.

10:47:24 Oh, excuse me, Councilwoman Capin.

10:47:27 >>YVONNE CAPIN: It came back.

10:47:28 Excuse me, Mr. Bayor.

10:47:33 What they call splash pads, in the parks.

10:47:37 I noticed the one out at Ballast Point, that that is on year

10:47:42 round.

10:47:42 And the children are in there constantly.

10:47:47 And that does not require a lifeguard, and they love them.

10:47:52 They absolutely love it.

10:47:53 And you see them.

10:47:54 I was there in January and the kids were in there.

10:47:57 Their lips were purple but they were happy as can be as kids

10:48:01 do.

10:48:02 So I think that's something we should look at more in our

10:48:05 parks.

10:48:06 Thank you.

10:48:06 >> I'm ed.

10:48:11 Ed Tillou.




10:48:12 I live in silver springs a few blocks from the Sulphur

10:48:16 Springs pool and something sort of left out a couple years

10:48:19 ago which has not been mentioned at all and if you have

10:48:24 money to throw at this problem, great.

10:48:26 Because over the years, I used to use that pool.

10:48:29 And I was on a swimming team in college, and I carried that

10:48:32 over to getting certified as a lifeguard, came down in the

10:48:35 early 90s, tried to find work with the department, but I

10:48:39 had the feeling it was good old boys network.

10:48:43 But what happens is these pools are not open on holiday, and

10:48:49 the thing is that on the holiday, like July 4th or

10:48:52 something, one of the things people lake to do is go to the

10:48:55 beach.

10:48:55 Well, people from here know that the beaches are far away,

10:48:59 the beach is 25 miles each way, so it's 50 miles, and gas

10:49:04 costs much more.

10:49:05 Yet the pools are closed.

10:49:07 And this is becoming increasingly a situation for me, given

10:49:14 that I am not a person with family, and I have a job and I

10:49:18 have to go.

10:49:19 I do have a job in a way when schooling is my job.

10:49:23 These things I come to, global warming and things, I

10:49:27 research that endlessly, as well as the novel I'm working

10:49:30 on, my four degrees going on to six.

10:49:34 So the thing is, I'm at school now on Saturdays and Sundays




10:49:38 because I have it open and available for me.

10:49:42 And the whole school closes down on July 4th, Memorial

10:49:45 Day, all these holiday, and I just would really like to use

10:49:49 those pools.

10:49:50 Now, how you can bring it off I don't know, because the

10:49:55 pools are open on Saturday and Sunday, programs during the

10:49:59 week, kids learn to swim, the 50 lap club or whatever, and

10:50:04 therefore this stuff gets out of the way and people can use

10:50:07 the pools on Saturday and Sunday but not on holiday.

10:50:10 So that has got to become front and center and something

10:50:14 that really, really should be done.

10:50:16 >>HARRY COHEN: Thank you very much for those statements.

10:50:21 Mr. Bayor.

10:50:21 >>GREG BAYOR: Our pools will be open Memorial Day, Fourth

10:50:25 of July and Labor Day.

10:50:26 >>HARRY COHEN: There you go.

10:50:29 I think with that, we thank you for that, and we will

10:50:32 entertain a motion to close this workshop.

10:50:34 >> Move to close.

10:50:36 >> Second.

10:50:36 >>HARRY COHEN: We have a motion from Councilman Reddick,

10:50:39 seconded by Councilwoman Capin.

10:50:41 All those in favor please indicate by saying aye.

10:50:44 Okay.

10:50:45 We are going to move on to item number 6, which is




10:50:50 discussion of the January 2012 text amendment cycle revision

10:50:54 late related to historic preservation set forth in chapter

10:50:58 27.

10:51:01 >>DENNIS FERNANDEZ: Architecture review, staff presentation

10:51:05 manager.

10:51:05 The subject of the items are the revision to the Barrio

10:51:10 Latino commission ordinance.

10:51:12 The ordinance has been in place largely since the initial

10:51:18 beginning of the barrio, with no significant changes in that

10:51:22 ordinance for over 20 years.

10:51:26 So although the program has developed and the expectations

10:51:29 of the program have developed, the ordinance is still in its

10:51:34 original format, and is in desperate need of updating.

10:51:38 The process overall through the ordinance revisions that are

10:51:44 proposed is to correlate the program to the current

10:51:49 ordinance that the VRC utilizes which was updated a couple

10:51:56 years ago and to take opportunity to streamline certain

10:51:58 processes so that the reviews are as compact as possible

10:52:02 given the need to publicly notice.

10:52:09 Revisions of the ordinance also brings the language in

10:52:11 compliance with the certified local government program,

10:52:15 which is how the department of state and essentially allows

10:52:20 our board to review certain scopes of work and to offer the

10:52:25 ad valorem tax exemption program as well.

10:52:28 I will hit the high notes, and then if you would like I can




10:52:33 answer any questions that you have.

10:52:37 One of the first things that you will notice is that the

10:52:38 membership number and composition of the Barrio Latino

10:52:43 commissioners is being proposed to change, in the current

10:52:48 code, the membership consists of nine members and two

10:52:52 alternates.

10:52:54 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Ms. Mulhern has a question.

10:52:55 >>MARY MULHERN: Thank you.

10:52:57 Would you point out to, I guess, on the draft changes where

10:53:03 the things you are outlining now are as you go over it?

10:53:09 I guess on the new clean version.

10:53:14 >>DENNIS FERNANDEZ: Sure.

10:53:15 We are on that right now section 27-94 which deals with the

10:53:20 creation and the membership of the Barrio Latino commission.

10:53:26 On my copy it's page 19.

10:53:28 I'm not exactly sure if we are working off the same copies.

10:53:32 >>MARY MULHERN: Wait, do we have the clean copies?

10:53:37 Historic -- okay, page 19?

10:53:41 >>DENNIS FERNANDEZ: Yes.

10:53:41 Under item "B" is the membership.

10:53:43 That's where I was beginning at.

10:53:46 And in the original, or in the current ordinance, as I said,

10:53:50 there's 11 members.

10:53:52 Nine full time members and two alternates.

10:53:55 That number is very consistent with our other boards.




10:53:58 Both the Architectural Review Commission and historic

10:54:03 commission have a total of seven members and two alternates,

10:54:07 and at no time since I have been with the department have

10:54:10 way been able to actually fill all eleven of those

10:54:13 positions.

10:54:13 So we are recommending that we reduce the number of members

10:54:17 by two.

10:54:20 The appointment ratio is still remains the same.

10:54:24 However, overall numbers, numbers that we can even

10:54:27 accommodate within this room, which we use for our meetings,

10:54:30 is restricted to seven.

10:54:32 The two alternates fill in as necessary.

10:54:35 The ten-year modification, which is on the next page, page

10:54:41 20, item C, we are proposing that we increase the term of

10:54:49 the Barrio Latino commission members from two years to three

10:54:52 years and that's also consistent with the other boards

10:54:55 including the ARC and HPC.

10:54:58 Two years go by very quickly and it seems that the members

10:55:01 do want to serve the additional year, and limiting them to

10:55:05 four years instead of six years seems to be something that's

10:55:10 a concern to them as well.

10:55:14 Moving on to the next section, 27-295, which my copy is page

10:55:20 21, it deals with the power and duty of the Barrio Latino

10:55:27 commission and the staff.

10:55:28 The powers and duty of the commission essentially remain




10:55:30 unchanged.

10:55:31 There is an expansion of their role as far as advisory

10:55:37 recommendations to City Council.

10:55:39 There is being added to be consistent with that in place for

10:55:42 the architecture review commission.

10:55:44 So in addition to providing the City Council with a

10:55:46 recommendation on rezoning, they would also provide

10:55:50 recommendations on comprehensive plan amendments, and

10:55:53 special use permit requests with the exception of alcohol

10:55:58 beverage requests.

10:55:59 >>MARY MULHERN: Where is that in -- is it 27 --

10:56:08 >>DENNIS FERNANDEZ: It's under H.

10:56:10 Yes, page 22 under H.

10:56:31 They tend to be grouped in the existing ordinance and

10:56:46 provide more clarity for the responsibilities of the

10:56:49 commission and staff.

10:56:58 27-296, moving towards page 24, dealing with a criteria that

10:57:11 the Barrio Latino commission uses when it considers

10:57:15 variances.

10:57:17 There was an additional criteria or hardship criteria

10:57:21 commonly referred to as the arc process and we are

10:57:27 suggesting to add that into Barrio Latino commission profits

10:57:31 as well.

10:57:31 That's going to be on page 25.

10:57:34 And what that criteria says in essence is that an




10:57:41 unnecessary hardship should not -- or should be in essence

10:57:47 accommodated, if that hardship is being realized through the

10:57:50 efforts of the property owner to maintain historic building

10:57:53 patterns.

10:57:54 So whereas, for instance, if a property owner was coming

10:57:59 forward to add a porte-cochere onto a particular property

10:58:04 and that porte-cochere would extend back to the setback of

10:58:09 that property, that could be viewed as a self-imposed

10:58:12 hardship that they are creating by adding that

10:58:15 porte-cochere.

10:58:17 What this language does is just a basis for the board to

10:58:21 grant those types of hardship requests, variance requests,

10:58:26 setback reduction, in order to maintain building patterns

10:58:30 predominant in the area or along that street.

10:58:33 So with the existing criteria, sometimes there is a struggle

10:58:38 to have that criteria work for.

10:58:42 >>MARY MULHERN: So are there patterns that were not -- did

10:58:52 not happen when you have a protection of the historic

10:58:57 designation criteria?

10:58:59 And I'm not sure.

10:59:00 I think we --

10:59:04 >>DENNIS FERNANDEZ: It wouldn't be applicable.

10:59:05 >>MARY MULHERN: That was something that was not consistent

10:59:22 with the historic development in the neighborhood?

10:59:25 I don't see how that should justify a hardship.




10:59:28 >>REBECCA KERT: Legal department.

10:59:31 This particular criteria actually came when we were

10:59:34 providing the ARC -- some of you weren't here, but for those

10:59:39 that were, you may recall that there was a volunteer working

10:59:43 group, historic preservation activists, were very concerned

10:59:50 that at times, as you know, except for some of the form

10:59:54 based codes, overall we have a suburban based setback,

10:59:58 et cetera, that don't always work well to protect the

11:00:01 historic patterns that you have in our historic

11:00:04 neighborhoods, and maybe very common to have a porte-cochere

11:00:09 within, say, seven feet of the edge of your property.

11:00:13 It may be the historic pattern.

11:00:15 Most of the houses at that time that have historic

11:00:19 significant could have that.

11:00:20 So that's not recognized in the overall setback requirement.

11:00:24 And so at the request of that group, this criteria was

11:00:28 added -- and I am going take a step back -- as a matter of

11:00:32 law, if you have a pattern in your neighborhood, and your

11:00:35 zoning code does not allow that pattern, and the seventh

11:00:39 person wants a carport, you know, the courts say that's not

11:00:48 a hardship, that is the city rewriting their zoning code,

11:00:55 and what this acknowledges is that in our historic

11:00:57 neighborhoods, there may be a pattern that exists that is

11:01:00 not in conformance with the suburban style setbacks that we

11:01:05 have, and that that in itself for that property owner who




11:01:08 wants just a porch, that everyone else has, or

11:01:12 porte-cochere, the setback that he's trying to preserve in

11:01:17 historic pattern is something that can be considered and a

11:01:21 variance can be granted wherein if it is not in a historic

11:01:25 neighborhood it would be denied even if everyone else had

11:01:29 that same thing.

11:01:29 >>MARY MULHERN: Okay.

11:01:30 I think I understand, but I still have some concern.

11:01:34 But I'm not going to stop you at everything.

11:01:36 I would like, Dennis, for you to tell us, keep giving us the

11:01:42 numbers and the pages and what you are talking about.

11:01:45 But we are going to need really an executive summary when

11:01:50 this comes back.

11:01:54 >>DENNIS FERNANDEZ: Sure.

11:01:54 >>MARY MULHERN: This is just too much to process.

11:01:56 And I have had that request for many constituents.

11:02:06 >>DENNIS FERNANDEZ: Sure.

11:02:06 Not a problem.

11:02:07 The next section under I, which is on page 26, talks about

11:02:15 expiration of variances.

11:02:16 Expiration of variances and CAs are not mentioned which

11:02:22 exists in perpetuity.

11:02:23 They are not actually acted upon.

11:02:25 That becomes, you know, as far as tracking, in perpetuity

11:02:31 becomes an issue consistent with the other boards in




11:02:33 granting their variances, recommending to offer five-year

11:02:38 time for an individual to act upon their variance, and in

11:02:40 that time if they don't they would need to come back and

11:02:43 reapply for variance.

11:02:46 Moving on to section 27-97, which is also on page 26, this

11:02:55 process creates the historic preservation Development Review

11:02:57 Committee for the Barrio Latino commission.

11:03:01 That committee is already in place for the Architectural

11:03:03 Review Commission under the previous ordinance provision.

11:03:06 And what that is, a group much like the zoning DRC that

11:03:10 meets the agency representatives in the city, reviewing a

11:03:15 project for development, this group would also meet with the

11:03:18 emphasis on reviewing the development and meeting the

11:03:21 historic preservation guidelines that are in place, and

11:03:26 allows for concurrent review process, it enables an

11:03:29 applicant to have certain amount of project review at the

11:03:33 same time that they are going through the design review

11:03:35 process.

11:03:35 So when they do receive the CA they are ready to submit the

11:03:40 project.

11:03:40 Currently we have a design review process, but that is

11:03:45 solely limited to the certificate of appropriateness process

11:03:50 and does not run concurrent with the development review

11:03:52 process.

11:03:53 So that's one of our streamlining efforts.




11:03:55 And we think it will shave probably two weeks off.

11:04:00 >>HARRY COHEN: Councilwoman Mulhern.

11:04:04 >>MARY MULHERN: I'm sorry.

11:04:05 I lied.

11:04:06 I am going to keep interrupting you.

11:04:09 Does that apply to both 27-98, those changes?

11:04:14 >>DENNIS FERNANDEZ: It will apply to any certificate of

11:04:15 appropriateness request.

11:04:19 Certificate of appropriateness requests that are presented.

11:04:32 Moving on to 27-98 still on page 26, this section

11:04:36 consolidates multiple sections of the existing ordinance and

11:04:40 also provides a more clarity for the public and for the

11:04:43 commission as to the review criteria.

11:04:46 Review criteria right now is almost in a practical form in

11:04:51 the existing code that's broken down into specific items so

11:04:53 that they are easily delineated.

11:04:56 It also makes a distinction between applications for new

11:05:00 construction, rehabilitation.

11:05:03 When the existing barrio is written, and the guidelines at

11:05:07 that point, much of the emphasis is on rehabilitation of

11:05:11 historic structures, going back into the early 80s, with

11:05:14 the ordinance.

11:05:15 That has shifted tremendously in the Ybor City historic

11:05:18 district to new construction, and we need to have criteria

11:05:22 for the board to evaluate appropriate new construction.




11:05:26 That criteria that we are introducing here is the same

11:05:29 criteria essentially informs the DRC for new construction.

11:05:37 Moving on to 27-99, which is going to skip some pages to

11:05:42 page 32, also, every section really consolidates multiple

11:05:49 existing sections of the current ordinances is quite large

11:05:53 and has a lot of information and really not pertinent to the

11:05:57 design review process.

11:05:59 It does provide clarity to the applicant as to what the

11:06:01 necessary submissions are, and evidence, and particularly

11:06:07 evidence that deals with requests to demolish or relocate

11:06:12 historic structures.

11:06:15 We worked to clarify the information, and most Port

11:06:22 Netanyahu on page 34, under the evidence that's required for

11:06:29 demolition and economic hardship section, from there moves

11:06:33 on to page 36.

11:06:36 There is an effort there to apply clarity because that is

11:06:40 something that the board takes very seriously and spends a

11:06:43 great deal of time discussing.

11:06:45 Under item D, parenthesis D, that particular language was

11:06:52 expanded to relate the different evidence that's presented

11:07:01 in forms of costs associated with rehabilitation to relate

11:07:06 those costs that are presented to the board, to the costs of

11:07:10 rehabilitating a comparable structure.

11:07:12 That's one thing that I think the board has expressed a

11:07:15 frustration with, is that sometimes if demolition does come




11:07:19 before them, the applicant will present information that

11:07:22 they feel to a comparable property, and may be something

11:07:27 that an individual might need restoring to a level that is

11:07:30 found in South Tampa versus something that's much more

11:07:33 modest as is found in Ybor City.

11:07:36 So having a level playing ground was an effort that we tried

11:07:41 to instill into that particular section.

11:07:43 Also adding under parenthesis 4, page 36, self-imposed

11:07:52 economic hardships which the current ordinance is on and

11:07:57 authorizes the Barrio Latino commission to essentially deny

11:08:00 a request where a self-imposed economic hardship is evident,

11:08:06 that would be when someone willfully or intentionally

11:08:10 neither property and allows it to fall into disrepair and

11:08:14 that's consistent with the demolition by neglect ordinance.

11:08:20 Moving on to -- I move to section 27-100 on page 38.

11:08:29 And that talks about certificates of appropriateness.

11:08:32 And once again, as I said before, putting a limit into the

11:08:38 certificate of appropriateness can be utilized, in this case

11:08:41 five years.

11:08:43 Previously under the ARC it was three years, when we updated

11:08:47 the ordinance we expanded to five years and that's what we

11:08:50 are suggesting for this particular ordinance to have a

11:08:52 five-year period where someone can act on an ordinance.

11:08:55 Currently, it's in perpetuity, and won once again difficult

11:09:00 not to track that.




11:09:03 And the last major section that's being changed is 27-101

11:09:08 which are approvals by the DLC administrator, staff

11:09:12 approvals.

11:09:13 That's on page 39.

11:09:14 Currently, the ordinance essentially allows the board to

11:09:18 delegate certain reviews over time.

11:09:23 The barrio has been in place in its current format since the

11:09:26 80s to list through multiple administrators and also

11:09:31 multiple board members.

11:09:33 In this way we are delineating what the staff authority is

11:09:36 for approval in both single-family and duplex structures,

11:09:41 commercial multiple family, and new construction.

11:09:45 And anytime that the staff does deny an application, it will

11:09:49 automatically be scheduled before the board for review.

11:09:53 So that's a basic overview.

11:09:57 >>MARY MULHERN: Can you explain that a little bit more what

11:10:00 the change is there?

11:10:03 So currently, if staff denied --

11:10:09 >> Currently with all of our process, if an individual from

11:10:14 the public comes in and requests something they would like

11:10:16 on their property, it's just an example that they wanted to

11:10:20 add vinyl siding onto a residence, which is not allowed

11:10:23 within the historic district, then the staff would

11:10:28 essentially not approve that.

11:10:29 That would be a denial of that particular request.




11:10:32 And that individual can then go to the ARC or BLC and make

11:10:37 that request to them.

11:10:38 So not as if they do not have a course to essentially appeal

11:10:43 that.

11:10:43 If the ARC or BLC denies that, then the review process would

11:10:47 be able to come before the council.

11:10:49 >>MARY MULHERN: So before the changes you made here, there

11:10:53 was no recourse for them to appeal?

11:10:57 >>DENNIS FERNANDEZ: There was an appeal process.

11:10:59 What was not in place was an actual list of what the

11:11:03 authority of the staff was in approving an administrative

11:11:08 approval.

11:11:09 >>MARY MULHERN: So that's what's here and what they can --

11:11:14 and when you say staff, is that your staff or is that the

11:11:17 land development staff?

11:11:19 >>DENNIS FERNANDEZ: This is the historic preservation staff.

11:11:20 >>MARY MULHERN: Historic preservation staff.

11:11:22 Okay.

11:11:23 Thanks.

11:11:26 >>DENNIS FERNANDEZ: I am happy to answer any other questions

11:11:28 and definitely get you an executive summary of that group

11:11:31 next opportunity.

11:11:31 >>HARRY COHEN: Any other comments or questions by council

11:11:36 members?

11:11:36 Councilwoman Mulhern.




11:11:38 >>MARY MULHERN: I just want to add a couple things to that

11:11:41 request, for an executive summary, before we see this again.

11:11:48 Including a comparison of any changes, including any

11:11:52 additions, modified or removed powers, and any changes to

11:11:58 criteria, if any.

11:12:02 So I'll repeat that as a motion.

11:12:04 Do you want me to repeat that as a motion?

11:12:07 >>HARRY COHEN: You can ask about it in writing or to come

11:12:09 back --

11:12:11 >>MARY MULHERN: I am going to make a motion when we are

11:12:12 ready.

11:12:13 But whenever this is going to come back to us an ordinance

11:12:26 change?

11:12:28 >>CATHERINE COYLE: We are asking you to transmit this

11:12:30 through the normal process.

11:12:32 >>MARY MULHERN: You want us to transmit it today?

11:12:35 >>CATHERINE COYLE: If possible.

11:12:36 It would go in June for their hearing and come back for the

11:12:39 two public hearings.

11:12:39 >>MARY MULHERN: I'm not ready to do that.

11:12:43 Just let me say this to council.

11:12:45 I don't know how the rest of you feel.

11:12:46 But I am not ready to do that because I could not, even

11:12:49 after the good explanation that you gave us, there's a lot

11:12:54 of changes here.




11:12:55 And I don't feel that I had the opportunity to really

11:12:59 understand what they are.

11:13:01 I need an explanation and I need time to go over these.

11:13:05 And I think the way that you presented this with the

11:13:08 strike-through in the entire chapter, and then a brand new

11:13:12 one, doesn't work.

11:13:13 So I don't feel comfortable transmitting this to the

11:13:17 Planning Commission.

11:13:18 So I would rather maybe ask for a continuance.

11:13:25 Give us an scuff summary, the public to be able to see that

11:13:29 executive summary, and then I would be ready.

11:13:33 >>HARRY COHEN: Let me ask a question of Ms. Coyle.

11:13:36 What is the time frame in which you are will go for this to

11:13:38 be transmitted?

11:13:39 How much time would Councilwoman Mulhern and the rest of us

11:13:42 have before the transmission would need to be made?

11:13:47 >>MARY MULHERN: This particular one has lingered for a

11:13:50 little while so it's really up to you at this point.

11:13:52 I mean, the July cycle is quickly coming anyway.

11:13:55 So if we wait to transmit it for a month or two, we are

11:13:57 going to be in that cycle anyway so it really up to you at

11:14:00 this point.

11:14:01 >>HARRY COHEN: So really a month or two isn't going to make

11:14:04 any big difference.

11:14:08 >>CATHERINE COYLE: I think to speak to Mr. Point we are




11:14:12 trying to bring the Barrio Latino process in line with

11:14:16 changes previously to the ARC changes to make the boards and

11:14:20 processes very similar so he can manage them in the same

11:14:22 way.

11:14:22 We do essentially the same thing in, two separate parts of

11:14:26 the city.

11:14:27 And the reason why you have a strike-through version is

11:14:29 because the language itself was being reorganized in such a

11:14:33 way that it was easier to strike it and rewrite it as

11:14:37 opposed to going through each single section and having the

11:14:41 strike through embedded in it.

11:14:44 So it was easier just to get rid of it and write it anew.

11:14:48 But it's more difficult to read it and comprehend it.

11:14:55 If you can give us an executive summary that points to every

11:14:57 single change, every single word, language, punctuation

11:15:01 change, that will be okay.

11:15:03 Otherwise, you know, where I would suggest now -- and I'll

11:15:11 make the motion for what I would like you to come back

11:15:13 with -- is maybe we move this to our next -- I'm not sure

11:15:18 about moving it to a workshop meeting because I think this

11:15:21 is something where the public might want to be involved and

11:15:25 maybe we could do it at the beginning of one of our night

11:15:28 meetings.

11:15:29 >>CATHERINE COYLE: I believe you have spoken with the Ybor

11:15:32 groups.




11:15:32 They workshopped it.

11:15:33 >> We worked with the Ybor City Development Corporation, the

11:15:37 neighborhood representative that attends their various

11:15:40 commission meetings.

11:15:41 And I would be happy to continue to do that.

11:15:44 >> We also have a whole constituency of historic

11:15:50 preservation advocates in the city, not just in Ybor.

11:15:55 So I wanted to be as open as possible.

11:15:57 >> What I am going to do is go to Councilwoman Capin and

11:16:01 then Councilwoman Mulhern, I will come back to you and you

11:16:03 can make a motion when you would like to hear this.

11:16:09 >>YVONNE CAPIN: One of the things that might be helpful,

11:16:13 which Sonya Little and her department did when we asked for

11:16:16 a continuation on the changes, was that I understand

11:16:21 striking it, but what they did was when they have rewritten

11:16:30 the parts that were changed were in red, and that might be

11:16:34 helpful to stand out exactly, the verbiage that is being

11:16:39 changed.

11:16:41 En though all of it is struck, not all of it is changed.

11:16:44 >>REBECCA KERT: Legal department.

11:16:49 When we did this for the ARC it was very similar.

11:16:53 I can give you what's underlined.

11:16:56 It's not going to make sense because this is moved over here

11:16:59 and this is moved over here.

11:17:00 They are no longer in the same order which is why we came




11:17:03 back.

11:17:03 What we did through the ARC and -- and I would be more than

11:17:07 happy to do it again for the BLC -- is we say, this is moved

11:17:12 here, this is exactly the same.

11:17:13 This is moved here and now it says this.

11:17:16 But that would probably be clearer.

11:17:19 I will give you the underlined.

11:17:23 I not going to be helpful.

11:17:25 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I appreciate your suggestion.

11:17:26 I think that would be better.

11:17:28 And you are right, where you have one word here and sections

11:17:32 moved, that would be very --

11:17:39 >>REBECCA KERT: Whatever you all would like.

11:17:45 >>YVONNE CAPIN: You just did.

11:17:46 So that would be helpful.

11:17:47 That's just a suggestion.

11:17:48 >>HARRY COHEN: Why don't I take public comment now, if

11:17:57 there's anyone from the public that would like to have three

11:17:59 minutes to comment on these proposed changes.

11:18:05 >> I'm Ed.

11:18:12 Ed Tillou.

11:18:13 I guess you would say a planner, not that I worked in it

11:18:18 much but I studied it at Stanford.

11:18:24 I took my first courses which were in New York.

11:18:29 Polytechnic.




11:18:34 And I mentioned earlier in the context of the swimming team

11:18:37 I was on.

11:18:43 Anyway, I adjusted those for the people down there.

11:18:48 Okay.

11:18:48 1854. That's what that dates from. People said, no, no,

11:19:07 it's nothing interesting, it's real estate speculation,

11:19:09 legalized verbiage and such.

11:19:11 Well, fortunately, there are other manifestations of

11:19:16 history, and I guess you would say historic preservation.

11:19:19 Maybe at some point I'll get to this if he can get through

11:19:24 these few points of today, I will be able to get in a future

11:19:28 meeting to the public health impact of Cuban sandwiches, the

11:19:33 bad side of them.

11:19:34 But here is a little bit of history.

11:19:40 It's in the movie theaters right now.

11:19:44 And I feel a little attached to this.

11:19:48 >>HARRY COHEN: The topic is historic preservation.

11:19:51 >> Well, okay.

11:19:53 A lot of people want to focus on-they wanted to --

11:20:00 >>HARRY COHEN: In Ybor City.

11:20:01 >> Well, yes, well, Ybor City.

11:20:05 And I contacted my friend Ed Asidato, my engineering

11:20:12 colleague, and tried to interest him in it, but I didn't

11:20:16 succeed and I think he died because he didn't seem to renew

11:20:19 his engineering license.




11:20:20 But this is a part of history, because it's a very important

11:20:23 point that relates to Tampa.

11:20:25 And that -- and Florida.

11:20:30 And that's this fellow.

11:20:32 I don't know if you know him.

11:20:33 His son was killed recently.

11:20:36 Not recently. Two years ago.

11:20:38 And one of the stories he told me was -- and this bears on

11:20:44 42 -- he said, LBJ asked for his help in passing Civil

11:20:49 Rights Act.

11:20:51 And for that reason, when I saw this movie "42" and this

11:20:56 fellow --

11:20:57 >>HARRY COHEN: Sir, sir.

11:20:58 >> -- Harrison Ford, I thought --

11:21:01 >>HARRY COHEN: We are far afield from the topic.

11:21:04 >> Well, it's too bad that he isn't here to see it.

11:21:09 Because it would remind you of his father.

11:21:14 About wanted to get to this.

11:21:15 (Bell sounds)

11:21:17 >>HARRY COHEN: You have had enough time this afternoon.

11:21:19 >> And that's a lot more interesting than legal verbiage.

11:21:24 >>HARRY COHEN: We are going to move on and close the

11:21:26 workshop now.

11:21:27 >> So we have to keep the public interested in this.

11:21:33 Like the festivals do.




11:21:35 That's what I'm saying.

11:21:36 >>HARRY COHEN: Okay.

11:21:37 >> And the movies.

11:21:38 >>HARRY COHEN: Thank you very much.

11:21:41 Before we close the workshop I am going to go to

11:21:44 Councilwoman Mulhern for a motion.

11:21:45 >>MARY MULHERN: I would like to make a motion that we

11:21:51 continue this workshop for transmittal to the Planning

11:21:59 Commission to June 13th at 5:00 p.m.

11:22:05 My motion is for it to come back with an executive summary,

11:22:13 and a more readable strike-through version, to be determined

11:22:17 by the writer of the language, and a comparison of changes,

11:22:25 including any additions, modified or removed powers, and any

11:22:31 changes to the criteria.

11:22:33

11:22:38 >>CATHERINE COYLE: I spoke with Mr. Fernandez about it.

11:22:40 We were going to recommend to come back in the June workshop

11:22:42 during the day, that we would actually invite -- he's very

11:22:49 well aware of those groups of people and works with them

11:22:51 regularly.

11:22:52 >>MARY MULHERN: I prefer to have it at a public meeting,

11:22:55 council meeting.

11:22:58 The opportunity at a night meeting, more people can come if

11:23:01 we have it at a 5:00 meeting, it's possible more people

11:23:06 would be able to come.




11:23:07 >>HARRY COHEN: Do we hear a second?

11:23:10 >>MARY MULHERN: A public meeting, council meeting.

11:23:13 >>HARRY COHEN: I need a second before.

11:23:16 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I second it.

11:23:19 Thank you.

11:23:19 >>HARRY COHEN: Go ahead.

11:23:26 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Once we determine we want to go ahead and

11:23:28 transmit it, then it comes back for public hearing.

11:23:30 >>CATHERINE COYLE: The public hearing in front of the

11:23:34 Planning Commission and then two public hearings and

11:23:36 readings at City Council, first and second.

11:23:40 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I'm trying to understand the public hearing

11:23:41 part.

11:23:46 >>MARY MULHERN: And I have seen it many times and regret it

11:23:49 that we send to the Planning Commission before we were

11:23:51 comfortable with what was in there, then it comes back to us

11:23:55 approved as is.

11:23:58 And when we try to make changes, we are told it has to go

11:24:01 back to the Planning Commissioner.

11:24:03 I don't want that to happen so I want to be able to know

11:24:05 what I am transmitting to the Planning Commission.

11:24:07 >> I understand that.

11:24:11 You want public --

11:24:13 >>MARY MULHERN: Right.

11:24:13 And I want the public to be here, not just people that we




11:24:16 think might be interested.

11:24:17 I want it to be a publicly noticed council meeting at night

11:24:20 where people, anyone interested in these changes to our most

11:24:24 important historic districts will be able to come.

11:24:28 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Understand.

11:24:29 Thank you for clarifying that.

11:24:30 >>HARRY COHEN: We have a motion to take up this matter

11:24:33 again on June 13th at 5 p.m.

11:24:38 That motion is made by Councilwoman Mulhern.

11:24:40 Seconded by Councilwoman Capin.

11:24:42 All those in favor please indicate by saying aye.

11:24:45 Opposed?

11:24:49 Okay.

11:24:55 >>CATHERINE COYLE: Last week I was out sick, unfortunately,

11:24:58 still sick.

11:24:58 But I believe a couple items were continued obviously

11:25:01 because I wasn't here to report on them and I don't recall

11:25:04 the exact date you continued them to.

11:25:05 It might be May 16th.

11:25:07 >>HARRY COHEN: Well, I can tell you the electronic science

11:25:10 was conned to May 16th at 10 a.m.

11:25:13 And the short-term rentals of residential properties was

11:25:17 also continued to May 16th at 10 a.m.

11:25:20 >> Okay.

11:25:21 I wanted to reiterate I am not here that week, I am in




11:25:24 San Diego on a conference.

11:25:25 So if you could, I don't know if you can continue it now, or

11:25:28 if I could just send a memo through.

11:25:30 >>HARRY COHEN: Why don't one of us make a motion of that

11:25:35 affect tonight during our evening session?

11:25:41 >> I'm catching up now.

11:25:42 >>HARRY COHEN: Duly noted.

11:25:46 Thank you.

11:25:47 All right, that's fine.

11:25:51 Would someone like to make a motion then to that effect?

11:25:56 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Move to reschedule to June 6th or

11:26:00 continue to June 6th, both the workshop May 16th.

11:26:07 >>HARRY COHEN: Staff reports.

11:26:09 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Staff reports, I'm sorry.

11:26:11 Staff reports on May 16th to be moved to June 6th.

11:26:16 >>HARRY COHEN: Just for clarification that's the one on

11:26:19 electronic signs and rentals.

11:26:23 We have a motion from Councilwoman Capin, seconded by

11:26:26 Councilman Reddick.

11:26:27 All those in favor?

11:26:29 Opposed? Okay.

11:26:32 Before we move on to any new business, the chair asked me to

11:26:39 read into the record a memorandum that was received by

11:26:42 Councilwoman Montelione that she will be absent from today's

11:26:46 City Council meeting both the morning and evening sessions




11:26:49 due to attending the metropolitan planning organization

11:26:52 meeting in Tallahassee.

11:26:55 And with that, we will go from right to left, if any council

11:26:58 members have new business.

11:27:00 Councilman Suarez.

11:27:01 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you, chair.

11:27:03 Actually, I have a commendation request from Councilwoman

11:27:08 Montelione, a request that we prepare commendation honoring

11:27:13 the 30th anniversary of Asia fest to be held Saturday,

11:27:17 April 27th.

11:27:18 >>HARRY COHEN: Seconded by councilwoman Mulhern.

11:27:25 All those in favor please indicate by saying aye.

11:27:28 Opposed?

11:27:30 Councilwoman Capin.

11:27:34 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I would like to move that our workshop

11:27:37 meeting for May 23rd, the workshop, to discuss council's

11:27:41 need for budget analyst, and to discuss whether department

11:27:44 heads be required to come, that I would like to move to ask

11:27:49 the finance chair if he would ask the advisory committee to

11:27:57 consider attending that workshop.

11:28:00 Their input in this matter may be very valuable to our

11:28:04 decision making.

11:28:05 >>HARRY COHEN: I think that's an excellent suggestion: I

11:28:08 don't think we need a motion to do that, but if we do -- to

11:28:14 invite the citizens advisory committee and the budget to




11:28:17 attend the workshop discussing the budget analyst.

11:28:21 For them to consider -- I would like them to consider if

11:28:24 they want to.

11:28:26 I think they would but I would rather not command them,

11:28:30 direct them to.

11:28:30 >>HARRY COHEN: Councilwoman Mulhern.

11:28:33 >>MARY MULHERN: It sound like a really good idea.

11:28:35 I think we should make it a motion just to invite them, but

11:28:39 also part of the motion that they be able to comment.

11:28:45 Or they might want to do that.

11:28:52 >>HARRY COHEN: Invited to appear during a workshop.

11:28:55 Just go ahead and make the motion.

11:28:57 >>YVONNE CAPIN: That is exactly the point.

11:28:58 So I move that we ask the citizens advisory citizens

11:29:06 advisory committee to consider attending the workshop on May

11:29:09 23rd.

11:29:11 Again, as I said, their input may be very valuable to our

11:29:14 decision making.

11:29:15 And that will be at 9:00 a.m. on the May 23rd workshop.

11:29:20 That's my motion.

11:29:22 >>HARRY COHEN: We have a motion from Councilwoman Capin,

11:29:25 seconded by Councilman Suarez.

11:29:26 All those in favor please indicate by saying aye.

11:29:29 Opposed?

11:29:30 Okay.




11:29:35 >>YVONNE CAPIN: And this was brought up last week, and I

11:29:37 wanted to bring it up because I was curious, also.

11:29:42 The resolution number 2013-183, which is the resolution that

11:29:47 we passed on March 5, I believe that was.

11:29:52 March 7th.

11:29:54 And it pertained to a resolution asking our counterpart in

11:30:03 the county, county commissioners, to please look at domestic

11:30:10 partner registration again, and that was signed.

11:30:21 It didn't ask for a response.

11:30:23 And they haven't acted on it.

11:30:25 But nonetheless it was done and I wanted to -- we didn't ask

11:30:28 for a response.

11:30:29 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Thank you very much.

11:30:32 Councilman Reddick.

11:30:33 >>FRANK REDDICK: Thank you, Mr. Chair.

11:30:36 I have two items, chair.

11:30:38 One is commendation to be presented to the annual GaYbor day

11:30:51 in Ybor City.

11:30:51 They are requesting commendation.

11:30:53 >> We have ooh motion for commendation from Councilman

11:30:56 Reddick, seconded by Councilman Suarez.

11:31:02 All in favor?

11:31:03 >>FRANK REDDICK: The second is on May 16 at 9 a.m.,

11:31:09 commendation to HAKIM to his service to City of Tampa.

11:31:21 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Second.




11:31:21 >>HARRY COHEN: Indicate by saying aye.

11:31:26 Opposed?

11:31:27 Councilwoman Mulhern.

11:31:28 >>MARY MULHERN: Thank you.

11:31:31 I just have one sad request.

11:31:37 I would like council to send our condolences to the family,

11:31:43 Steve Burton and to the community at large.

11:31:46 Steve died last week.

11:31:48 He was a great community servant and long-time member of the

11:31:55 Tampa Aviation Authority board.

11:31:58 And his funeral services will be happening tomorrow.

11:32:01 And we have the details.

11:32:04 I don't have them right in front of me but I have the

11:32:06 details if anyone wanted to get in touch with me.

11:32:08 >> Second.

11:32:12 >>HARRY COHEN: We have a motion from Councilwoman Mulhern,

11:32:14 seconded by Councilwoman Capin.

11:32:16 All those in favor please indicate by saying aye.

11:32:19 Opposed?

11:32:20 Okay.

11:32:27 I would like to ask council to pass a resolution

11:32:31 commemorating the honorable James Abba for his significant

11:32:37 contribution to the City of Tampa through his lifetime

11:32:39 accomplishments.

11:32:40 Judge lota passed away recently and served our community as




11:32:48 court judge among other things and made a very distinguished

11:32:52 contribution to the legal community here in Tampa.

11:32:53 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Second.

11:33:01 >> All in favor?

11:33:03 >> Okay.

11:33:05 Windy that we are adjourned until 5:01 p.m. tonight.

11:33:09 I need a motion to receive and file.

11:33:11 Motion from Councilman Reddick.

11:33:13 Seconded by Councilwoman Capin.

11:33:15 All those in favor?

11:33:18 Opposed?

11:33:19 Okay.

11:33:19 Thank you very much.

11:33:20 We'll see you at 5:01 p.m.

11:33:24 >> (Meeting adjourned.)

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