TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
Thursday, April 25, 2013
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>>CHARLIE MIRANDA: City Council is called to session.
The chair yields to Mr. Harry.
>>HARRY COHEN: Thank you, Mr. Chair.
I am pleased to introduce Steven Ezra.
Dr. Ezra is the senior pastor at St. James United Methodist
Church which is a 1200 member church in New Tampa.
He was born in northern Indiana where he also graduated from
He came to Florida in 2003 to serve in a church in
Clearwater prior to being appointed to St. James in 2008.
Dr. Ezra and his wife Karen have four children and have been
married for 22 years.
They live in Tampa Palms.
Please stand for the invocation and then remain standing for
the pledge of allegiance.
>> Please join me in prayer.
Almighty God, we thank you for the gift of this day.
We thank you for the country, the state, and the city in
which we live.
We among all people on the earth are blessed far beyond what
we deserve, and we are grateful.
For those who have gathered here this morning to do the
business of government, we pray for your wisdom.
We pray for discernment.
We pray for a spirit of peace.
Father, remind them and remind all of us that those of us
who have power are called to look out for the powerless and
to give them a voice, that those of us with means and
resources are expected by you to share those with persons
without and to look out for them.
Remind us this day and every day to be grateful for the life
that we have in you, and because of you.
Guide these meetings, this procession, these decisions, and
may they work to your plan for the benefit of this great
We offer this prayer in the name of the one who gave us
(Pledge of Allegiance)
>>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Roll call.
>>MIKE SUAREZ: Here.
>>YVONNE CAPIN: Presents.
>>FRANK REDDICK: Here.
>>HARRY COHEN: Here.
>>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Here.
Item number 1 in the ceremonial, the presentation,
commendation of police Officer of the Month, Mr. Frank
>>FRANK REDDICK: Thank you, Mr. Chair.
I would like to recognize detective Ron Paulk, Tampa police
Officer of the Month for April 2013, and I will turn it over
to the chief.
>> Chief Castor: Good morning, council.
It's always an honor to come before you and bring one of
As Councilman Reddick said this months we are recognizing
Ron Paulk for all he does to keep our city safe.
Ron is a detective in district 3, a part of the latent
investigative squad, in that district.
He's been there since 2010, and he does an amazing job.
He is certainly an expert at latent investigations, and he
has investigated a diverse array of cases including
robberies, burglaries and ought to thefts.
He's very, very familiar with all of the advanced
investigative skills, and he insures that everyone on his
squad is up to date on the latest policies, procedures, as
well as the technology that's available to all of those
detectives, and he insures that each of the cases are
investigated very, very thoroughly.
In fact, he investigates cases as if they were his family
members that were victims of these crimes.
He's very dedicated to the cause.
And I am going to recognize just a couple of the cases that
he has been involved in, and you will see when he gets ready
to talk in a few minutes, he's actually what we call the
He doesn't talk as much as the rest of us do.
That's probably because he's out doing the investigations
and putting everybody in jail.
So he's a man of few words, but he certainly is an amazing
We had an incident where Value Pawn was robbed one morning,
and it was a very brazen robbery. There were three
individuals involved, two males and a female, and they took
close to half a million dollars in cash and jewelry from
Detective Paulk was the lead investigator.
He was the lead investigator on that and went on really a
slim lead of a possible suspect, basically the voice sounded
like someone, a particular individual that one of the
We searched that individual, researched that individual, set
up surveil on several residences in the city, continued the
research on the individual and found out that they were
pawning a particularly large amount of property at a pawn
shop out by the casino, the Hard Rock Casino.
So he and several other individuals went out to that
location to the casino on a hunch that they may be there and
ended up within three hours of this robbery being committed,
taking three suspects into custody involving -- including
firearms, vehicle use in the robbery, and the majority of
the property back for that business.
So that's one of the incidents.
Another one is an individual that was a victim of an armed
robbery, close to a high school, and he investigated from
the initial call until he took that individual into custody,
the suspect, and returned the property to that student as
Another one that some of you may have read about in the
paper that was highly publicized because it was shortly
after the Newtown shootings, we had a students at
Hillsborough high school that thought it would be
entertaining to set off some fireworks in that school, and
that, as you can imagine, pretty much set off panic and
chaos within that school.
We had close to 80 units that responded to that location to
secure it, to ensure that it wasn't a shooting.
Detective Polk was the lead investigator.
He got there, brought a voice of calm to it, interviewed the
faculty, determined that there was a video system, viewed
that video, was able to identify an individual that had lit
those, showed that photo to the staff, who identified the
He interviewed the student and got a confession within, I
would say, probably an hour of that occurring.
And that, obviously, brought a sense of relief and calm not
only to the students but to all of their parents who had
come to the scene as well.
Those are just three examples of what he does every single
day to keep this community safe.
So based on his outstanding ability, his tenaciousness, and
his willingness to go the extra step, everything that he
does with an incredible sense of urgency.
It is my honor to recognize detective Ron Paulk as the
Officer of the Month for April 2013.
[ Applause ]
>>FRANK REDDICK: Great job.
On behalf of the Tampa City Council, we would like to
present you this commendation for being chosen Officer of
the Month for April 2013.
>> Thank you, sir.
>>FRANK REDDICK: They may want you to pose there.
We have some goodies for you.
>> Rick Halpern, vice-president of the Tampa PBA.
Dave from star shield insurance could not be here today but
I want to say congratulations to you but on behalf of great
south of Tampa PBA and star shield insurance say
congratulations and give you a $100 gift card.
>> Oh, thank you, sir.
I appreciate it.
[ Applause ]
>> Good morning.
I'm Frank DeSoto with Bill Currie Ford.
On behalf of the Bill Currie family we would like to
I know you, Ron, and I know you are a dedicated officer.
Extremely proud to present you with this watch.
>> Thank you very much.
[ Applause ]
>> Good morning.
Joe Durkin, Bright House networks.
Ron, on behalf all of us at Bright House, congratulations on
a job well done.
Would like to present you with one month complimentary
services of all Bright House services.
>> Thank you.
I really appreciate it.
[ Applause ]
>> Good morning.
Jill Latecki with Tampa Theatre.
Thank you for all that you do with for our city. We would
like to present with you an annual membership to our
[ Applause ]
>> Steve Stickley represents Stepps Towing service.
On behalf of Jim, Judy and Todd Stepp we would like to
present this small token of our appreciation for a job very
We appreciate it.
And we also have a gift card to Lee Roy Selmons.
[ Applause ]
>> Mike Breckwald with the Straz Center for the Performing
We want to commend you and thank you for your service to the
And in token of our appreciation we want to give you four
tickets to opening nights of War Horse next week.
Thank you, sir.
[ Applause ]
>> I don't have any popcorn.
>> That's okay.
>> Don't have any theater tickets.
>> But you get your picture taken.
>> Okay, great.
>> We'll get your portraits for you and your family.
They do a nice job.
And on behalf of them, I want to present you with a gift
certificate to you and your family.
Do you want to eat first or go to the theater first?
>> I'm open to any suggestions.
>> I suggest you go to the theater and then eat because
Bern's is going to take a little while to eat.
We have a $100 gift certificate.
Enjoy yourself at Bern's.
We really appreciate what you do.
>> Thank you, chief.
I would just like to tell the chief and all the staff and
all you members of the council, I'm extremely humbled and
honored by receiving all these awards today.
And I can just thank my wife Lucy.
She couldn't be here.
For all her prayers and support every day for me.
And also Captain O'Connor for her support, Sergeant Stout,
Captain Hamlin, and Brian for being here as well, Gary, and
Major Bernie for all their support as well.
And the chief talked about all these different cases.
And I have a great team of other detectives I work with, and
ROC officers, patrol officers that do an outstanding job
every day and come together as a team every day.
So I'm here representing them as well.
And I can't take credit alone, by no means, and I am really
blessed to have a really good team that I work with every
So thank you very much.
[ Applause ]
>>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Mr. Reddick will also do the firefighter
of the quarter.
>>FRANK REDDICK: Thank you, Mr. Chair.
It's my honor to recognize as the firefighter of the quarter
for April 2013 Captain Karl Wolf.
And I have the chief to introduce him.
>> Chief Forward: Good morning, council.
As always, it is our honor and a privilege to come before
you this morning and to recognize our firefighter of the
quarter for this period.
And it's we are grateful for the City of Tampa, our
department, recognize this individual standing to my left,
achieving such a nomination.
Captain Wolf has been with Tampa Fire Rescue for over 30
And in that 30 years he has absolutely provided an
impeccable service at every respective area.
In the early '80s, when fire service was really evolving
in the nation fire rescue was on the cutting edge with
moving into areas of specialization, hazardous materials
recognition, auto, vehicle, extrication, high angle rescue,
a number of marine firefighting, and all those things.
Captain wolf was one of the first in that discipline to
start getting education, getting with the whole team so that
Tampa could impact our community in the safest possible way
and fashion, moving onto the rescue because of all the
high-rises we have around here and the number of painters on
high scaffolding areas, he put together a number of projects
and programs that really, really provided a safe operation
for Tampa Fire Rescue to affect major rescues from those
In addition to those things, just as recently with Tampa
having over 22 fire stations with the number of ground
hazards and things of that nature our fires putting those
ladders up, reaching high levels and high elevations every
One of the areas that we have been somewhat remiss in is the
safety measures of those, and the safety factors, and
inspecting and testing those ladders.
Just as recently as this year, captain wolf working with the
training chief have been able to test all of our ground
ladders at no expense to the city and made certain that all
of our ground ladders and all of our ladders and apparatus
are within the compliance ratio there.
But in addition to that area, Captain Wolf has moved from
firefighter to his current rank today.
He is a fire company officer, a fire captain, and many of
the men and women out there will tell you one of the finest
fire captains in this business.
30 years on this department myself, I have not met a finer
fire captain, a finer company officer who literally takes
care of his people, insure that they are trained to optimal
level to provide a service delivery to this communities and
to this respective area that is unquestioning second to
He had a very serious incident that just happened 18 months
This is the epitome of the fire department family, of a good
fire officer looking out for his team.
One of his men, one of his firefighters' son was involved in
a really, really critical incident while he was completing
marine boot camp at Paris island.
At the last incident of his training, exercise, before he
would have been pinned with certifying him as United States
marine he was left with a major incident that left him
paralyzed from the chest down.
Captain Wolf recognized not only this major, major critical
addition but how it impacted his firefighter.
He immediately sprang into action, put together a list so
that his firefighter could go up and be at his son's bedside
during this critical incident.
Not only that, he amassed a number of times to insure that
his firefighters, the dad of this young marine, could stay
by his son's bedside while the doctors provided him the best
level medical care.
This fireman didn't have to worry about getting back to the
station to provide his shift, because the men and women of
Tampa Fire Rescue worked two shifts so that he could stay by
his bedside of the that's just one of the incidents, one of
the major incidents that epitomizes the captain, the
individual that I am presenting to council, and to this city
and this community, as our firefighter of the quarter.
Please share with me the joy that I have in presenting you
firefighter of the quarter Captain Carl Wolf.
[ Applause ]
>>FRANK REDDICK: Thank you, Reverend Forward.
[ Laughter ]
On behalf of Tampa City Council, we would like to present
this commendation to you for being selected firefighter of
the quarter for April 2013.
[ Applause ]
We also have some gifts.
>> Council, I'm Frank DeSoto with Bill Currie Ford.
It's my extreme pleasure to recognize your accomplishments.
We are extremely proud of our first responders, and in view
of what's happened in Texas here recently.
We know you risk your life daily and this is just a small
token of our appreciation.
Thank you very much.
We appreciate that.
[ Applause ]
>> Joe Durkin once again with Bright House networks.
Karl, an outstanding example of terrific, excellent fire
Congratulations on behalf of all the BrightHouse Network,
three months complementary services to all of our Bright
>> I appreciate it.
Thank you, sir.
[ Applause ]
>> Hello again, council.
Jill Latecki, Tampa Theatre.
And if ever there was a fire in our crowded theater, you are
the guy we want there.
>> Actually, I have been there.
>> Please come back over the next year on us, you and a
guest have a free membership for the next year.
>> Thank you very much.
>> Mark Breckwald with the Straz Center for the Performing
Captain Wolf, thank you for your services.
We definitely appreciate it.
You keep us safe.
As a token of our appreciation at the Straz Center we want
to provide you with four tickets to next week's opening
night performance of "War Horse."
Thanks a lot.
[ Applause ]
>> Good morning.
Jay Cohan, local firefighters 754.
Cooperate Wolf, on behalf of local 754 I would like to
present with you this plaque, and this gift card to a local
Chief Forward, you said it best.
When I came on the job, Captain Wolf was my mentor.
I had my very first fire with Captain Wolf over on
MacDill and Hillsborough in a mobile home park.
And then shortly afterwards we took a Haz-Mat class together
After that, he asked me to take a trip from Tampa to Chicago
to pick up, in a 1960 Plymouth Fury, to pick up a 1954 dump
truck and drive back.
[ Laughter ]
It was a week ordeal.
We haven't spoken since today.
[ Laughter ]
>> Thank you.
[ Applause ]
>> Steve Stickley representing Stepps Towing service.
On behalf of Jim, Judy, Todd Stepp again, a small token of
And I would really like to thank you as a former U.S. marine
what you did on the battlefield.
>> Thank you very much.
[ Applause ]
>> Good morning.
I have an assistant here.
This is Riley Rozaro.
Her father is a firefighter.
>> Nice to meet you.
>> She's also from Villa Madonna school.
So the kids were honoring why we are honoring all of you
So we picked a representative that has something to do with
But she's got the premiere gift for you.
Do you want to tell him about it?
>> Thank you very much.
I appreciate it.
The kids said they wanted to go, too.
[ Laughter ]
Riley, I appreciate your help.
You are a great representative of the school and glad to
have Villa Madonna here today so you can see these
firefighters and police officers that put their lives on the
line for you all every day.
So thank you very much.
>> Thank you.
>> You also have a portrait.
You can have that with the kids, if you like, or your whole
family, whichever you prefer.
Bryn Allen, Prestige Photos is going to present that to you.
And on behalf of David Laxer and Bern's Steakhouse, enjoy
your day at Bern's.
>> I appreciate it, sir.
[ Applause ]
>> I'm not much of a public speaker, but I would like to
take a couple moments just to thank my District Chief
Walker, who nominated me for this award, and the awards
committee who selected me to get this, also.
It's going to slide off the podium.
It's interesting, a number of these awards I received, I
have actually dealt with the people or places over the
years, being out there in the streets, Stepps wrecker
service has been a great asset to us a number of times over
the years at various incidents.
The Tampa Theatre connection, I actually happened to be on
duty when the YMCA burned down years ago and we actually
went into Tampa Theatre and did some activities to kind of
prevent the theater from catching fire, successfully, and so
I'm proud of that.
And I would also like to thank all the administrative staff
that's here today.
These gentlemen have all, over the years, risen to ranks of
district chief and above.
I personally chose to stay at the captain level.
I think I probably took the easy way out.
I still enjoyed going on the calls and doing the things in
Fortunately, fellows like these took the additional steps to
rise to the leadership positions that enabled me to do my
job in the station.
It's only with their support and their leadership that I
have been able to accomplish the things I have been able to
over the years.
I'm really not big on awards per se.
I think there's a lot of people doing much more heroic
things out there day in and day out.
We have got a number of people from the fire service as well
as the police department, and all of our city agencies.
You constantly hear about them going above and beyond to
take care of the citizens of Tampa and do the extra things
that resolve their emergency situations for them.
And I certainly haven't done anything heroic or out of the
But I would like to accept this recognition on behalf of all
the guys who come in to work day in and day out and do their
job without any special thanks.
And it's been a great career.
I have really enjoyed working for the city.
And again I'm very thankful for this recognition.
And I appreciate it.
[ Applause ]
>>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you all very much.
I appreciate it.
We go to item under ceremonial activities, item number 3,
commendation to the city attorney Mr. James Shimberg.
By Ms. Yolie Capin.
>>YVONNE CAPIN: Jim Shimberg, our city attorney, we present
you with this commendation for your leadership to our city,
to our citizens, and to us at City Council.
I am going to read it.
Tampa City Council commends Tampa city attorney Jim Shimberg
for his outstanding work on behalf of our city and wishes
him well in his new position with the Tampa Bay Lightning.
During his 26-year tenure with the law firm of Holland and
Knight prior to serving with the city, Mr. Shimberg spent
three years as the executive partner in his Tampa office.
The local group leader for the Tampa Bay real estate, and
land use practice, and co-chair of the national land use
Since joining the City of Tampa in 2011, he's effectively
utilized those skills in directing the activities of the
24-member staff of the city attorney's office.
In concluding important legal matters and his ongoing advice
to City Council has been greatly appreciated.
And here is the part.
Tampa City Council feels the Lightning has scored a hat
trick in acquiring --[hats thrown]-- [ Laughter ]
-- in acquiring your talent.
[ Applause ]
>>JIM SHIMBERG: Well, thank you very much, Councilman Capin.
When I first told my wife that council was going to
recognize me with a commendation, she said, That's
ridiculous, you haven't done anything.
[ Laughter ]
Then I said, Well, that's true, but they want to recognize
So I finally realized that what I should do is accept this
commendation on behalf of the men and women of the Tampa
legal department, because it's really their great job over
the last few years that has put me in this position, and I
want to thank all of you very much.
I am going to miss working with you and the mayor and the
city staff and I know the city is in good hands, and again I
am appreciative of the opportunity of allowing me to serve.
Thank you very much.
[ Applause ]
>> Mr. Shimberg, you don't get to keep the hats, okay?
[ Laughter ]
You don't get away that easy.
I get to grill you one last time before you leave.
This is my favorite part of having you come up and talk and
really make you squirm and stuff.
You have done such a great job of keeping us on our toes,
and, you know, the kind of integrity, the kind of honesty
that we have in you is going to be sorely missed.
I know we are going to replace you with somebody, hopefully
just as good but I doubt it.
I think somebody that has your wealth of knowledge, both in
land use and other areas, and knows the city so well and
knows the community so well.
We are really going to miss you.
And I know you took a pay cut when you came here.
Hopefully you have made up for that by going over to the
If not, you know, there's no coming back.
I just want to tell you, this is it.
[ Laughter ]
So you better punch up your resumé a little better because
once you are there, I think this is the last career move for
>> They are going to pay me in popcorn.
>> Are they really?
Hopefully they won't pay you in hockey pucks.
>> I hope to have an opportunity to brief my successor in
how to respond to Mike Suarez's questions and to dodge and
>> Well, we really appreciate the work you have done.
You have made it an easy transition for me personally on
City Council in terms of the questions that I had both
privately and publicly here in council chambers, and I
really appreciate everything you have done for us personally
and for the City of Tampa.
And thank you.
Good luck in the new job.
And enjoy the hockey, I guess.
I'm not sure, but have a great time over there.
[ Applause ]
>>CHARLIE MIRANDA: We have Mr. Cohen and Ms. Capin.
>>HARRY COHEN: Not to belabor the point, but it really has
been both an honor and a privilege to work with you over the
past two years.
You and I have known each other a long time but we have
never known each other in this context.
And when you sit here and you have questions and you are
working through some of the difficult issues that we deal
with, particularly as it related to the Republican National
Convention last year, which was a new experience for all of
us, I think that I can speak for everyone in saying that
what I have appreciated most is how much you made yourself
available to us, and how much you have been willing to work
with us through the different steps that we have needed to
take to confront sometimes stormy issues.
And it really has been an enormous pleasure.
And it's been a relationship that has been filled with a lot
of trust, and that is I know what we all hope will happen
into the future, but we certainly have had it for you, and
for your entire staff in the legal department who really do
do an outstanding job, and we appreciate it.
[ Applause ]
>>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Ms. Mulhern?
>>MARY MULHERN: Thank you.
I just want to say it's been a pleasure working with you.
And we are going to miss you.
And you do have a fantastic staff.
So we do feel good in the transition before we get our next
And I want you to know that unlike other city attorneys at
times, I never felt that you were opposing council, and
always felt that I could come and talk to you and get to a
place where we were both -- the administration, the mayor,
and of the City Council, represent city government, and that
you were representing us on council as well.
So it's been great.
And we'll miss you.
>> Thank you.
>>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Mr. Reddick?
>>FRANK REDDICK: First, I just want to congratulate and
thank you for being accessible to me when you served in that
And I know you will do good in your next endeavor.
So I wish you the best.
And I hope you have great success.
>> Thank you very much.
>>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Mrs. Capin?
>>YVONNE CAPIN: Thank you.
And I would be remiss if I didn't say that the part of the
hat trick came from Cynthia, who I refer to as ESPN Tampa,
and she sat me down and explained to me what it was.
I much appreciate her help and absolutely -- and when she
explained it, I said, you are exactly right, that's exactly
what they scored.
>>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Jim, the only advice I can give you is
you can do hat tricks, but don't be a goalie.
That thing comes awfully fast.
Take care and enjoy yourself.
God bless you.
God speed to you and your family.
>> I'll wear a helmet.
[ Applause ]
All right. Public comments.
08:59:01 Public comments. Items 1, 2, 3.
09:35:29 And let me explain what they are.
09:35:31 You can speak on Police Officer of the Month, Firefighter of
09:35:33 the Month, or Jim Shimberg's recognition of his leadership
09:35:37 as city attorney.
09:35:38 That's what it's about.
09:35:39 So if you are coming up to speak on items 1, 2, 3, those are
09:35:42 the subjects at this time.
09:35:43 Anyone in the audience care to speak on items 1, 2 and 3?
09:35:47 And I am going to hold you -- listen to me very carefully --
09:35:51 to items 1, 2 and 3.
09:35:52 I don't want to hear about firefighters in Malaysia or
09:35:55 police officers in somewhere else.
09:35:58 If it's about here we'll listen to it.
09:36:00 Yes, sir.
09:36:10 >> Actually wanted to speak to a few other items but some of
09:36:14 the things left out in the presentations of item 1 and 2.
09:36:17 And this is about the importance --
09:36:20 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Name and address.
09:36:21 >> I'm ed, Ed Tillou from Sulphur Springs.
09:36:32 Under fire rescue, you see prevention, and since I feel
09:36:37 close to this, because before I got my masters in public
09:36:40 health, from the University of Maryland, I took medicine, so
09:36:46 I'm seeing the importance of the health area.
09:36:52 But it applies to police and fire activities both.
09:36:58 And with respect to fire activities, of course, I mean
09:37:01 police activities, we see, of course, Boston, and the need
09:37:09 to transcend, and there's this residue of Cold War -- this
09:37:22 was towards the FBI, but there's this closure to certain
09:37:26 sectors, and these people know this because they lost 250
09:37:30 children --
09:37:31 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: We are talking about police Officer of
09:37:32 the Month in the City of Tampa.
09:37:34 This that item.
09:37:34 >> And with the firefighter, it was mentioned about the
09:37:40 fertilizer plant.
09:37:42 Well, there's fertilizer plants here.
09:37:44 And maybe it was Seattle, but it was I had my masters in
09:38:04 public health it was in management and I went into the
09:38:10 chemical engineering program subsequent to that.
09:38:14 So it's good the Tampa Theatre, that fire was prevented
09:38:30 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much, sir.
09:38:30 Anyone else in the audience care to speak to items 1, 2 or
09:38:34 Now, the good part is, I see some young energized
09:38:38 individuals from, I believe, Madonna, correct?
09:38:46 Would anyone, the teacher or students like to come up
09:38:50 collectively or singly come up and say hi and tell us what
09:38:54 you would like to see done in government for the next throw
09:38:57 Come on up.
09:38:58 Now is your chance to make an "A."
09:39:01 Do you want me to pick one?
09:39:09 The teacher doesn't want to come up?
09:39:13 [ Laughter ]
09:39:14 We want to know the secrets of this class.
09:39:19 I knew we would draft somebody.
09:39:30 if you will just tell us your name and the grade you are in
09:39:39 and the wonderful school that you are at.
09:39:44 Put the mike a little lower down.
09:40:17 >> You learn a lot when your parents sit next to you.
09:40:19 And I learned a lot from listening to my wife work out the
09:40:26 I was never good at homework but I have to apologize to
09:40:29 myself for doing that.
09:40:30 But you are a wonderful school and you do a great service to
09:40:32 the community.
09:40:33 And thank you for being here.
09:40:35 And I hope you learn something.
09:40:37 And anytime -- and I mean this to anyone in all the
09:40:40 schools -- that we can send a council member to address your
09:40:43 school, we would be more than happy to go and speak on
09:40:46 whatever subject matter you choose.
09:40:49 Of course, we are city government of the City of Tampa.
09:40:53 Thank you for being here and hope you learned something
09:40:57 Mr. Suarez?
09:40:58 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Ladies, you are supposed to say publicly
09:41:02 what a great teacher Mrs. ESPINOZA is.
09:41:08 >> She is.
09:41:09 >> She is.
09:41:10 So remember, the next time that you are renegotiating your
09:41:15 Thank you very much for being here.
09:41:16 And this is the second time that we had Villa Madonna come
09:41:20 while I have been on council and it's always a wonderful
09:41:22 experience to have students over here.
09:41:24 It's hard not to look at the screen, isn't it, when you are
09:41:27 over there?
09:41:28 When I first started I kept looking up at myself.
09:41:31 Wow, look at me, I'm on TV.
09:41:33 It's hard not to do that.
09:41:34 But welcome everyone here.
09:41:36 I hope that you enjoy the rest of your day.
09:41:38 I know that you have already talked to the fire chief, and
09:41:41 the chief of police, and I think you might be seeing the
09:41:45 mayor sometime today, and I will be talking to you guys a
09:41:48 little bit later on, too.
09:41:49 So welcome.
09:41:50 Enjoy yourself.
09:41:51 Remember, if there's any questions, you can ask us
09:41:54 We are glad that you are here.
09:41:56 Thanks for being here.
09:41:56 >> Thank you.
09:42:01 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: All right.
09:42:01 We go now -- let me open the workshops, 4 through 6.
09:42:05 Need a motion.
09:42:06 >> So moved.
09:42:07 >> I have a motion by Mr. Suarez.
09:42:08 Second by Mr. Reddick.
09:42:10 All in favor of the motion please indicate by saying aye.
09:42:13 Opposed nay.
09:42:13 The ayes have it unanimously.
09:42:15 Item number 4.
09:42:20 >>CATHERINE COYLE: It's my second week of being sick.
09:42:23 So the last time we spoke about animal rescue facilities, we
09:42:27 talked about the language that was in the 2010 cycle, and
09:42:31 that was creating a new special use for animal rescue
09:42:35 facilities in residential and in commercial districts.
09:42:38 With the pending animal -- that we have coming back to you
09:42:44 in May with the definition of animals and correction of the
09:42:48 age limit and the number of requirements, you made the
09:42:54 motion to come back today to look at animal rescue
09:42:57 facilities, or choosing additional animals for rescue
09:43:01 purposes, and the family definition.
09:43:04 Really, it's easier than creating a whole separate
09:43:11 permitting process.
09:43:12 I highlighted for you the current language coming back in
09:43:16 May, in yellow.
09:43:23 What we put under the current -- I'm sorry, under the
09:43:33 pending regulations for animals is the clarification that
09:43:35 you are allowed to have the four domestic companion animals,
09:43:41 within that one family unit.
09:43:42 What we spoke about last time was whether or not we should
09:43:45 just increase that number to maybe five or six to
09:43:47 accommodate additional rescue animals, rather than creating
09:43:50 a completely separate permitting process.
09:43:54 We also talked about whether or not we should clarify that,
09:43:59 maybe additional animals are either dogs or cats or certain
09:44:03 size requirement, weight requirement.
09:44:06 I have listed other regulations, and it varies from place to
09:44:09 place in Pinellas.
09:44:12 Several jurisdictions.
09:44:15 Clarify whether or not it's cats or dogs to extinguish
09:44:19 between the two.
09:44:20 I have spoken to a couple different people that work with
09:44:23 rescue facilities, agencies, and there is a need for that
09:44:30 obviously for rescue animals.
09:44:32 But not everybody is all of a sudden going to take in, you
09:44:35 know, dozens of animals.
09:44:38 It is a limited number of people that are going open their
09:44:44 homes to additional animals.
09:44:45 So the easiest way to do this probably would be just to
09:44:48 amend this definition, and really for your direction on
09:44:50 whether or not you want to distinguish between felines and
09:44:55 canines, because the thought behind the additional canines
09:45:01 is definitely the outdoor noise, and odor.
09:45:05 So really I am just looking for direction from council on
09:45:09 whether or not you want to increase that number.
09:45:10 >>HARRY COHEN: Just a question.
09:45:16 It struck me that 4 is too small of a number, particularly
09:45:20 as relates to people that actually rescue animals.
09:45:29 So what number would be more realistic and more in line with
09:45:35 the entire family that wants to open their home to animals
09:45:40 that are in need of care?
09:45:42 >> It's somewhere between six and eight seems to be the
09:45:45 appropriate number.
09:45:48 Two to three additional animals.
09:45:49 It's not that they will take in bunches of them.
09:45:52 >> So how does this have to be amended to allow up to eight?
09:45:57 >> You could just change the number.
09:46:00 You can literally just change the numbers that people can
09:46:03 keep that many animals in general and not specify, say
09:46:08 whether they are rescue or not, but just have eight animals
09:46:12 or seven animals.
09:46:14 >>HARRY COHEN: If I understand correctly, and we have been
09:46:17 through the entire chicken discussion, we don't need to go
09:46:20 through it again, but if you have four or five chickens, you
09:46:23 are finished at this point.
09:46:24 You can't have any dogs and cats, correct?
09:46:28 >>CATHERINE COYLE: No, the regulations for chickens, that's
09:46:31 the regulation, and actually they are excluded from that
09:46:33 >> So you are excluding that?
09:46:35 >> Yes.
09:46:36 Chickens do not count against your number.
09:47:02 red road I just have one question for you.
09:47:04 And I'm just reading on the farm animals, this is required
09:47:12 within the city limits that you can have within the city
09:47:21 >>CATHERINE COYLE: You can currently have farm animals in
09:47:23 the city under chapter 19, regulations moving into 27, but
09:47:27 you have to have a 200-foot separation between the animal
09:47:31 and a residential dwelling unit.
09:47:33 Very few and far between that you can actually find property
09:47:37 that has a 200-foot separation from the animals.
09:47:40 >>FRANK REDDICK: How many farms do we have in the city?
09:47:45 >>CATHERINE COYLE: I know of two that are active.
09:47:46 >>FRANK REDDICK: If I had a backyard, I can have a goat?
09:47:56 >>CATHERINE COYLE: If you had more than an acre.
09:47:58 Depending on the length and the width of the property.
09:48:01 If it were a square acre then you would probably have to
09:48:04 have 2 acres of land to keep that distance because the block
09:48:09 we are sitting on is just over an acre so imagine your house
09:48:12 is in the center.
09:48:13 You still would have -- you would have to be at least a
09:48:16 block and a half away from another house if you lived
09:48:19 >>FRANK REDDICK: Well, even if you were a block away can
09:48:22 you imagine what it would be like to have a goat and a mule
09:48:26 in your backyard?
09:48:28 I mean, I'm looking at the -- I'm looking at sanitation part
09:48:35 of it.
09:48:40 If a person is allowed to have a goat, a hog, a sheep, and a
09:48:48 mule in that distance that you spoke of, there's going to be
09:48:52 some difficulties for the next neighbor.
09:48:58 >> Well, the farm animals are not part of the topic today.
09:49:01 >>FRANK REDDICK: You had it on this piece of paper.
09:49:05 >>CATHERINE COYLE: Yes, this included the definitions but
09:49:07 that definition is the existing definition in code.
09:49:11 >>FRANK REDDICK: So are we going to discuss farm animals
09:49:14 one day?
09:49:15 >> When the farm regulations come back to you.
09:49:18 It is being moved from one chapter to another.
09:49:20 Those regulations exist today for farm animals as a 200-foot
09:49:25 And it's very rare that you can actually achieve that
09:49:29 200-foot separation in the city because most of the lots are
09:49:32 only 50 feet lots.
09:49:34 >>FRANK REDDICK: That's what I was wondering.
09:49:36 Thank you.
09:49:36 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you.
09:49:38 Won't belabor the whole farm animal aspect.
09:49:41 There is one that you mentioned, one in particular that I
09:49:44 know of, there's a horse facility south of Interbay and it
09:49:51 is relatively large.
09:49:52 It's next to one of our city parks on the east side.
09:49:56 >> The circle C ranch.
09:49:58 >> Circle C.
09:50:00 Thank you.
09:50:00 And I don't know what the western boundary is in terms of
09:50:03 how close they are to residential, but of course, you know,
09:50:05 like so many things in the city, it's an a ma'am gammation
09:50:10 of different uses at any one time.
09:50:12 And then encroachment of urban uses start coming in on what
09:50:19 at the time probably was a fairly, you know, farm use or
09:50:23 other things like that.
09:50:24 In terms of the rescue facility -- and I do think -- and Mr.
09:50:32 Carl brought it up in terms of number of animals -- because
09:50:36 what I want to try to avoid -- and I am going to say it
09:50:39 publicly anyway -- to have those that are -- in terms of
09:50:44 those that are already registered in actual facilities for
09:50:48 rescue animals versus those folks that are tied to warehouse
09:50:57 animals and it becomes a distinction without that permit,
09:51:00 some people might feel they have that right to have as many
09:51:02 animals as they want, when in fact what we are doing here is
09:51:06 essentially say, no, we are not going to have a facility
09:51:10 where you can have 16 cats or, you know.
09:51:13 And I like the distinction that I put together here.
09:51:17 When you have mentioned about other cities and other
09:51:21 counties in terms of what they do, what is the real
09:51:26 distinction in terms of the permitting part of it in
09:51:29 addition to the number of animals so that, you know, on that
09:51:34 process, there must be some specifics in terms of hygiene or
09:51:41 in terms of the way that they deal with waste, some other
09:51:46 Did you find anything like that in terms of your research?
09:51:50 >>CATHERINE COYLE: Not directly.
09:51:51 It treated differently, I think, if you are keeping them at
09:51:54 your home.
09:51:55 And it's declared a public nuisance to have the noise and
09:52:01 odor related to excrement, related to animals.
09:52:06 It's essentially required for public health reasons, and
09:52:12 nearly all jurisdiction if not all of them make sure you
09:52:14 keep your backyard clean, that you don't have loud dogs
09:52:19 barking, it's a basic requirement throughout he have one
09:52:21 that I read.
09:52:22 So it's not that there's any heightened requirement for
09:52:25 You are not allowed to do that.
09:52:27 >> Are you talking about no requirement for an individual
09:52:32 who has more than one animal?
09:52:34 Or is it in terms of the permitting process for rescue
09:52:42 The rest of the facilities to have the care that's
09:52:46 necessary, and it may not go directly into land use
09:52:51 But that may be something for us to look at, because we do
09:52:56 have the permitting part of it, but not knowing what the
09:52:58 permitting part is ourselves, it's a little more difficult
09:53:02 to figure out, should we put anything within land use that
09:53:05 takes care of those particular issues?
09:53:08 And so I'm asking a question that you can't answer, but that
09:53:13 I can't answer either.
09:53:14 I know that's a little unfair.
09:53:16 But when it's in the definition, I would rather us have some
09:53:19 knowledge of what that means so that if we need to take care
09:53:22 of it on a land use side --
09:53:25 >>CATHERINE COYLE: Well, for me I'm distinguishing between
09:53:28 the single-family house that rescued a couple animals.
09:53:31 If you are looking at it from a residential standpoint, no
09:53:34 matter how many animals you have, that's where that public
09:53:37 nuisance part comes in.
09:53:38 You are not allowed to have your backyard filled with
09:53:41 excrement and creating that odor and noise problem from the
09:53:44 >> I understand.
09:53:46 >> But in the city if it's more of a commercial facility to
09:53:50 rescue animals, maybe you have lots of animals, that's when
09:53:52 you get into the licensing permitting aspect, and the
09:54:00 drainage and everything else.
09:54:01 >> And all I'm saying, Mrs. Coyle, I would like to know what
09:54:05 those requirements are, because I don't think we want to get
09:54:08 into a discussion as to having to determine on a code
09:54:10 enforcement side that you are not -- that you are not a
09:54:15 rescue facility, or you are a rescue facility.
09:54:19 And when we look at it on our end, we have to go back and
09:54:22 look at what the permitted use is on the county side, so I
09:54:27 would rather have some knowledge of that first to deal with
09:54:32 the land use part.
09:54:36 Because one leads into the other because the definition is
09:54:39 within our land use, but not knowing what the permitted
09:54:43 operation is, I would rather have, you know, land use, but
09:54:49 just that knowledge so that we can go forward, if there is
09:54:52 something else we might want to tweak for the land use park.
09:54:55 >> Just to clarify, animal services, as far as I'm aware,
09:55:00 last time I checked a few months ago, they had not had a
09:55:06 permitting process for animal rescue -- it's countywide.
09:55:12 They don't actually issue permits to create an animal rescue
09:55:16 facility at your home.
09:55:18 What I was hoping to do, a simple way to look at this, from
09:55:24 a residential standpoint, if you did want to encourage the
09:55:30 ability for a home to take in a couple extra animals, it's
09:55:33 really looking at the number in the definition.
09:55:35 You are allowed to keep four as a family, then maybe clarify
09:55:39 you need two additional or three additional or however the
09:55:42 number is, and somewhere between six and eight seem to be
09:55:46 the average as rescue animals.
09:55:48 >> Right.
09:55:49 And I think you probably fall along the same line of
09:55:52 thinking which is I don't want to have any conflict, because
09:55:55 the county has such a diverse land mass in terms of what
09:56:01 might fit in and what might not.
09:56:03 I don't know whether the land use side when it comes to
09:56:06 urban Id area.
09:56:07 And I want to make sure that what we do here fits more
09:56:11 particularly with if you want to have eight animals, and you
09:56:16 consider them a rescue facility, by virtue of the fact that
09:56:21 you have eight animals, I want to make sure that we have got
09:56:24 those regulations in place to make sure throws no conflict.
09:56:28 So that's what I am talking about.
09:56:32 I hope you understand my line of thinking, which I want to
09:56:35 make sure if you want to deal with it on a land use side
09:56:38 let's do it now, because not knowing what the definition is,
09:56:41 I don't want to go forward.
09:56:43 >> But a little matrix just to show you the county
09:56:48 definitions and the numbers by zoning classifications to
09:56:52 make it clear.
09:56:53 >> That will be very helpful.
09:56:56 I don't want to create more problems.
09:56:57 I want to solve one and not create five.
09:57:00 >>CATHERINE COYLE: I can come back in a staff report on that
09:57:03 with that information.
09:57:03 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I make a motion on that, to bring back a
09:57:09 matrix concerning what the facility definition is for a
09:57:16 rescue facility, so that we can understand better what we
09:57:20 are putting into the land use code.
09:57:23 June 6th at 9 a.m.?
09:57:47 10 a.m., excuse me.
09:57:48 >> I have a motion by Mr. Suarez.
09:57:51 Second by Mr. Reddick.
09:58:01 Motion passed unanimously.
09:58:04 Mrs. Capin?
09:58:12 >>YVONNE CAPIN: A clarification on the rescue number total.
09:58:15 We are trying to lump it all into one.
09:58:17 So they could actually be eight rescue in the home.
09:58:22 They have four that they can keep.
09:58:28 So all eight could be rescued.
09:58:38 A representative of the Humane Society is here, and I would
09:58:41 like to ask her about it because this came to my attention,
09:58:44 because he can of the work that the rescue --
09:58:55 >> And the number of animals that are out there and need
09:59:02 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Is there a time on how long these animals
09:59:06 can stay in the home?
09:59:08 >>CATHERINE COYLE: No, I didn't propose a time limit.
09:59:10 It's until they -- I was a foster parent.
09:59:14 I adopted children out of foster care and I have some kind
09:59:16 of correlation in my mind, and from what I understand with
09:59:22 rescue animals is they are looking for that permanent home.
09:59:28 And they essentially foster those animals and take care of
09:59:31 them as their own and give them regular vaccinations and
09:59:36 everything else until they find a permanent home, and give
09:59:39 their interview process and everything else.
09:59:41 So it's much akin to human fostering.
09:59:46 They are keeping them until they find a permanent home, as
09:59:48 far as my understanding.
09:59:54 >>YVONNE CAPIN: When the number was brought up six, eight,
09:59:57 ten --
10:00:00 >> Eight seems to be the basic average or range across the
10:00:03 regulations that I have seen.
10:00:05 So certainly we have the ability to choose the number that
10:00:09 fits for our community.
10:00:10 And we may want to balance that somehow with what our
10:00:13 population is willing to accept in residential areas, and
10:00:16 how many animals are actually out there.
10:00:19 That's one thing I haven't been able to find a clear number
10:00:21 on, how many animals are actually in need of placement.
10:00:25 >>HARRY COHEN: Well, just a clarification of what we are
10:00:31 talking about.
10:00:32 If it's four pets plus eight rescue or four plus four for a
10:00:38 total of eight?
10:00:39 Or if you have zero --
10:00:43 >> It's a total of six to eight.
10:00:45 That's where the range is.
10:00:58 >>YVONNE CAPIN: That's what I wanted to clarify.
10:01:00 But thank you for that.
10:01:01 And thank you for explaining how important the rescues are
10:01:04 to -- you know, we have gone from, I think, euthanasia in
10:01:11 the county from 78 to 35, which is still high, but because
10:01:17 of the wonderful people fostering these animals, that has
10:01:23 And I know it's very important to the county rescue and to
10:01:27 the city, their services.
10:01:30 So I appreciate it.
10:01:31 And we'll see you June 6th.
10:01:34 >>CATHERINE COYLE: We are still on track for the July cycle
10:01:39 even coming back in the June meeting.
10:01:43 You can give some direction that day.
10:01:45 I will know exactly what to put into that cycle.
10:01:48 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Ms. Coyle, at the beginning of dialogue
10:01:51 here with us, you mentioned that certainly some individuals
10:01:55 want this to happen.
10:01:57 I understand that.
10:01:57 How many individuals do you think are going to go into the
10:02:02 proposed definition of what six to eight means?
10:02:07 >>CATHERINE COYLE: How many?
10:02:08 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Yes.
10:02:10 Do we have any regulation who is going to regulate, if any
10:02:14 calls happen, who is going to do that?
10:02:18 Has the administration considered any regulations at all?
10:02:25 >>CATHERINE COYLE: It's code enforcement.
10:02:27 And keeping it at the simple head count makes it easier to
10:02:33 enforce if you go in and count heads, essentially.
10:02:36 The more layers of regulation you put onto something can
10:02:40 make it more interpretive when you get in the field.
10:02:43 Simplifying it and making it very clear as the number.
10:02:49 If you start to distinguish between weight of animals, and
10:02:55 the code enforcement officers don't carry a scale with them,
10:02:58 but if you make it clear cats or dogs, number, or a head
10:03:03 count, that's pretty easy to distinguish when they walk in
10:03:05 the house.
10:03:06 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you.
10:03:09 This is a workshop.
10:03:11 Three minutes per speaker.
10:03:13 Total of each at the end of each workshop.
10:03:15 But we haven't closed this workshop.
10:03:16 So council is finished with their remarks.
10:03:20 I am going to ask anyone in the audience who cares to speak
10:03:23 for three minutes to come forward on this item.
10:03:25 Item number 4.
10:03:28 >> I live at 1203 East Broad Street, and I wanted to thank
10:03:34 council for taking this issue under consideration.
10:03:38 I have been a volunteer for rescue groups for nine years.
10:03:42 I am a certified professional dog trainer.
10:03:44 And I typically take in animals that need their behavior
10:03:49 evaluated and determine whether or not -- excuse me -- a
10:03:57 medical rehab in terms of very minor things like heart worm
10:04:01 treatment that would extend the family shelter beyond the
10:04:05 time the shelter can keep them, and therefore it saves their
10:04:10 So I just want to thank you, the number 8 is probably
10:04:20 reasonable based on my experience, but a lot of foster homes
10:04:26 in the community.
10:04:33 There are thousands of animals but now I have four so I will
10:04:37 be excluded as a foster home in the future if you keep the
10:04:40 number at four.
10:04:40 Thank you.
10:04:42 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
10:04:42 Next, please.
10:04:43 >> Okay, I'm ed.
10:04:50 Ed Tillou.
10:04:51 Yes, I think noise, when I moved from long island, we had a
10:05:07 few goats and chickens until a we see he'll came by and ate
10:05:11 them all.
10:05:12 Not goats, of course.
10:05:13 We got rid of them.
10:05:14 But she decided she wanted to have a kennel and we had
10:05:17 basically six to eight dogs at a time, half of them in the
10:05:21 And I guess that's the main thing I want to bring up here.
10:05:26 The county commission has an ordinance that's largely
10:05:34 It just doesn't address things.
10:05:35 And a big part of that is because they have one meeting a
10:05:40 month, they don't have workshops, they don't have hearings.
10:05:43 So the kind of input you are getting, you can't get through
10:05:46 the county commission.
10:05:48 I think there's a problem there.
10:05:50 But anyway, went from the dog kennel with six to ate dogs,
10:06:06 and she became president of the Humane Society, and she
10:06:12 stayed as far from animal rescue as she could.
10:06:16 She sent the animals to a pound or something.
10:06:19 But, you know, it was two or three.
10:06:23 But that was all she could deal with.
10:06:25 But when she came down here, by that time it was down to one
10:06:30 She worked with the Pinellas County Humane Society.
10:06:34 And what's interesting is they worked to get the dog houses
10:06:38 out in the yards.
10:06:39 So the animals -- and it mate cost -- I thought that was
10:06:59 more important.
10:07:01 So I guess what I would say is to try to think in terms of
10:07:09 something like that, that has a problem with individual
10:07:18 And I commend the people doing this animal rescue, because
10:07:26 maybe my aunt was a hypocrite by not doing it herself, but
10:07:29 she did a lot.
10:07:30 She helped out.
10:07:31 And I commend yourselves for having these workshops and
10:07:34 hearings which the county commission doesn't.
10:07:36 And you hear those people speak as individuals.
10:07:39 And it's very sharp people, and they make very good points.
10:07:42 But you put them all together and somehow it doesn't work.
10:07:53 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
10:07:54 Next, please.
10:07:55 >> I live at 4605 Ballast Point and I'm here representing
10:08:03 the Humane Society of Tampa Bay.
10:08:05 We really appreciate you looking at this.
10:08:11 That work in animal rescue.
10:08:14 I have two cats, two dogs, a big yard, my neighbors don't
10:08:21 even know I have cats.
10:08:24 But for me to be able to take home a litter of kittens, this
10:08:30 ordinance would need to be changed because a litter of
10:08:32 kittens would be three or four kittens so eight, people
10:08:36 doing rescuing, to be able to do that.
10:08:41 Usually when there is a nuisance animal in the house that's
10:08:46 barking and disturbing neighbors, it's usually one, I not
10:08:50 the number of animals that are actually causing the trouble.
10:08:53 I think especially rescue would be wonderful because we have
10:09:00 a lot of animals.
10:09:02 We have probably close to a thousand animals at rescue homes
10:09:06 so it's very beneficial if in the City of Tampa people could
10:09:11 have some extra kittens in one of their rooms and they are
10:09:15 not going to disturb anybody in the neighborhood.
10:09:19 Thank you very much.
10:09:23 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Next, please.
10:09:23 >> Just to make it clear there is an exemption that animals
10:09:29 under six months of age don't count against the number.
10:09:42 >> MacNamara.
10:09:46 2 I live in Pasco County.
10:09:53 I serve as a volunteer for animal rescue.
10:09:57 I have six of my own personal dogs.
10:09:59 Five which were rescued out of Hillsborough County.
10:10:01 And I have five rescue dogs.
10:10:03 Again, I have actually eleven dogs when I was here in the
10:10:11 Nobody ever knew.
10:10:18 The animals were never a problem because they were a part of
10:10:24 my family.
10:10:25 So I respected my neighbors.
10:10:27 The animals were cleaned up afterwards.
10:10:29 Washed on a regular basis.
10:10:36 So limiting the number is not necessarily the thing to look
10:10:52 It's open if anybody wants to come in and examine the homes
10:12:01 and make sure.
10:12:03 Thank you for your time.
10:12:09 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
10:12:10 Next, please.
10:12:10 >> My name is Sharon, in South Tampa.
10:12:17 My husband and I volunteer with three nonprofit
10:12:23 Transfer animals back and forth.
10:12:40 One of the things that we are asking for -- and I appreciate
10:12:43 that number being considered to be high -- for foster homes,
10:12:51 some dogs can't be adopted right out of the humane shelter.
10:12:58 But they have training so they don't have to invest in time
10:13:10 so it's taking that little extra care that they are willing
10:13:14 to do.
10:13:17 So that foster home is such an intangible number.
10:13:25 Just to foster one more animal.
10:13:29 And people go, oh, I'll take in five more.
10:13:32 I'll take ten more.
10:13:34 I'll be a burden to the neighbors.
10:13:35 They think, I do really want more animal?
10:13:38 And they are not going to sit there and just have five more
10:13:42 dogs if they are going to adopt.
10:13:44 They are just opening the home for that one more animal.
10:13:47 So taking that burden and saying, okay, we are going to have
10:13:52 it at eight, whatever they feel they can do as a family
10:13:56 unit, they are going to do.
10:13:59 They are not bound by the number four.
10:14:01 And I think changing that, considering that would be a great
10:14:11 They are not looking to be a rescue center.
10:14:13 They are just looking to house that dog so that people that
10:14:18 normally would look at a dog and turn away, they would see a
10:14:21 healthy dog and say, I'll adopt that.
10:14:23 So if you change that number today, I appreciate all of your
10:14:30 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
10:14:31 >>CATHERINE COYLE: I just spoke and a question in my mind
10:14:38 about the number that might take in animals.
10:14:41 And there is not typically a stipend or monthly payment to
10:14:50 It's when animal service gets a grant, they might be able to
10:14:54 give some money to people that take in rescue animals to try
10:14:58 to get them healthy.
10:15:00 They provide the food and medicine but I think the people
10:15:02 that open the doors really are truly doing it out of the
10:15:05 kindness of their hearts.
10:15:06 This is not something they are just doing to make money.
10:15:12 I don't know that there's going to be an abundance of people
10:15:16 rushing to have tons of animals.
10:15:17 >>HARRY COHEN: And my guess is that the people that rescue
10:15:20 animals is almost all cases are probably already pet owners.
10:15:26 So we have to remember that the pets that are there are
10:15:32 counting against the total number as well.
10:15:39 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Anyone else who has not spoken care to
10:15:41 speak on this item?
10:15:43 We need to -- we opened this hearing.
10:15:47 We discussed it.
10:15:48 Mrs. Capin.
10:15:51 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Real quick I want to thank you everyone for
10:15:53 coming to this workshop and helping us with making our
10:15:56 So thank you.
10:15:58 And we look forward to seeing you June 6th.
10:16:02 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Need a motion to close the workshop.
10:16:04 Motion by Mr. Cohen.
10:16:05 Seconded by Mr. Suarez on a close vote with Mr. Reddick.
10:16:09 All in favor of the motion indicate by saying aye.
10:16:11 Opposed nay.
10:16:12 Eyes have it unanimously.
10:16:13 We go to workshop number 5.
10:16:26 >>GREG BAYOR: Parks and recreation.
10:16:29 I'm here today to talk about our summer program.
10:16:37 I would like to introduce my director with any technical
10:16:47 questions that I can't answer.
10:17:01 Heather, Thomas, Gary.
10:17:05 I am very delighted to say that our summer pools look like
10:17:11 they are ready to go.
10:17:12 We have work we are doing out there now painting and they
10:17:16 are in good shape, no major issues.
10:17:18 If there's any one issue out there, applications are coming
10:17:27 So summer pools open May 25th and close September
10:17:36 This year all eleven pools will be open Saturday open swim.
10:17:42 Open Sunday for open swim.
10:17:44 Sulphur Springs, DeSoto Park, Interbay, Delrio, and we
10:17:49 have a goal this year of increasing our swim by 25%.
10:17:54 We have data we would like to share with you today
10:18:08 Gary is going to pass these out.
10:18:10 I'll explain tout as we go through them.
10:18:13 I think the thing you are going to find interesting is these
10:18:24 are -- I know there's going to be a lot to digest.
10:20:15 Just for comparison sake, we did the same thing for the city
10:20:20 of St. Pete.
10:20:22 You can see how these stack up.
10:20:33 We are going to show you all the city high schools.
10:20:45 We also did a half mile, one mile radius.
10:20:51 You get up, get on your bike.
10:20:54 Obviously times have changed for our youth today.
10:20:57 They don't have that much freedom of being on the streets
10:21:01 and it's down to the one mile radius.
10:21:08 And I think what you will find entertaining, we are starting
10:21:10 to produce our demographics.
10:21:24 We know which one are our minority areas, and a nice number
10:21:35 in our program.
10:21:42 >>HARRY COHEN: Mr. Bayor, if someone in the public wants to
10:21:47 find out what pools are open when, where do they go, and
10:21:53 what do they do to get that information?
10:22:06 They are going to go to Tampa GOV.net and then they can also
10:22:15 call the Parks Department.
10:22:18 That's online?
10:22:20 >> And each pool has its hours of operation.
10:22:24 >>HARRY COHEN: And now that council members have all this
10:22:27 information, we'll have it, too, so we will be able to
10:22:33 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Let me ask you a quick question, publicly or
10:23:12 We live in Tampa.
10:23:13 Why don't we have year round pools?
10:23:15 Is it a cost issue, a maintenance issue?
10:23:18 >>GREG BAYOR: Well, certainly all of the above.
10:23:20 You have a pool year round, it's very expensive.
10:23:24 >> I guess my point is, you know, if we don't need a pool
10:23:32 year round -- my point is, living in Florida, you know,
10:23:38 pools generally are accessible in materials of the weather
10:23:41 for the most part year round except for lightning and other
10:23:46 severe weather conditions.
10:23:47 Why don't we do it year round?
10:23:49 Is it primarily a function of budget?
10:23:50 Or is it maintenance schedule issues?
10:23:54 Because heating a pool is not really that much of an issue.
10:24:00 If it's not heated then that's a different issue, if you
10:24:02 follow my thinking, which is we have ten pools, we have
10:24:06 between four and five open year round.
10:24:10 What's the purpose of not opening up year round?
10:24:13 That's the only question I had.
10:24:16 There's not a terrific reason why we won't.
10:24:19 >> Well, budget, year round, December through basically the
10:24:34 first of March.
10:24:48 So the temperature ranges.
10:25:11 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I appreciate you answering that because from
10:25:13 my constituents, I hear in Florida, why don't we have pools
10:25:17 open year round?
10:25:19 The second thing I was going to ask you is how do you
10:25:21 determine which pools are open on a seasonal basis?
10:25:25 So, for example, we know the reason why other pools when we
10:25:29 first came on council, there's other issues.
10:25:33 That being said, why do we close certain pools?
10:25:38 Is it because we looked at the demographics, the number of
10:25:42 users we have in that particular pool?
10:25:44 Do we say, now what?
10:25:45 During this time frame it's probably better to I don't think
10:26:05 we did it before you were here, Greg, and you may have
10:26:07 already done it and I apologize if you haven't this year,
10:26:12 which is, do we have analysis of the pools during summer
10:26:23 As an example, is Interbay used more than, you know, some of
10:26:27 the other pools that are heated?
10:26:33 Is there a demographic shift during certain times?
10:26:36 And the reason I ask these, A, we get these questions from
10:26:40 And secondly, and I know you are doing this, which is how do
10:26:43 we maximize the budget that we have for the aquatics
10:26:46 programming so that you are serving the most number of
10:26:50 people at the best time so that we get the most bang for our
10:26:59 How do you analyze those?
10:27:05 >> It's a matter of calculations.
10:27:16 But we need those starred.
10:27:31 Another reason --
10:27:40 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Well, if I could make a suggestion I'll
10:27:42 leave you with this.
10:27:43 Because we get so many questions about the use of pools, and
10:27:46 why certain pools are open, why certain pools are closed.
10:27:50 If we could -- as soon as we get that information, report it
10:27:53 on our Web site for parks and rec, because I think that, you
10:27:59 know, pools become, I won't say entitlement but it becomes
10:28:05 an issue of we do have the kind of weather people say why
10:28:11 don't we have pools open all year round?
10:28:14 You have answered those questions.
10:28:15 The second question, I have got kids here during the
10:28:17 summertime and the closest pool is down the street but it's
10:28:20 not open or the closest pool is within a one-mile radius and
10:28:24 is not open.
10:28:25 Why the heck is not that not open?
10:28:29 I think it helps to alleviate some people's thinking in
10:28:31 terms of where we are at, and why we open certain pools and
10:28:35 why we close certain pools.
10:28:36 And I think that's an important aspect of this whole
10:28:39 discussion, because it really is, as we have discussed many
10:28:41 times, parks and recreation is one of the only places in
10:28:47 which people come into direct contact with city government.
10:28:52 And especially in the summer.
10:28:54 And that's something that we are always having -- I know
10:28:58 that myself, Mr. Reddick, Mr. Cohen, especially have to
10:29:04 communicate with B what's going on with pools.
10:29:06 And I know you probably are in agreement with that.
10:29:09 We have to talk about this every summer.
10:29:10 And so we want to make sure -- and we appreciate you giving
10:29:13 us all this information.
10:29:14 But we may want to put it on the Web site, and actually
10:29:17 report it out to the individual rec centers, too, that have
10:29:21 pools so that people know what we are doing here at the
10:29:24 Parks and Recreation Department.
10:29:25 I appreciate it.
10:29:38 Usually when I talk I don't emulate anyone's thinking.
10:29:43 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Is there a second on that motion?
10:29:45 [ Laughter ]
10:29:45 Mr. Reddick?
10:29:46 >>FRANK REDDICK: Thank you, Mr. Chair.
10:29:52 Looking at this chart, I see there's two pools west side of
10:30:00 town, and you have one closed, and MLK pool.
10:30:22 >> That is on Monday.
10:30:39 At some point have to close.
10:30:42 And I know I didn't get a chance to go over every one of
10:30:45 >> So MLK is just closed on Monday.
10:32:02 I see a turnout of people in the pools when itself was
10:32:07 And I may have missed it but what was the determining factor
10:32:14 for not open all year long?
10:32:25 Was it staff?
10:32:30 >> It's a seasonal pool.
10:32:31 >> Do you all evaluate these pools to determine about the
10:32:36 seasonal and the year-round?
10:32:38 Do you have some type of fact that you can go back and look
10:32:41 at this and say, well, we got this park listed as a seasonal
10:32:48 pool, but it can be year round.
10:32:52 >> I have in the past and would be glad to do analysis, just
10:33:02 based on natural heating.
10:33:08 >> Because during the summer months, you don't have to heat
10:33:12 the pool, right?
10:33:13 >> No, not at all.
10:33:14 >> And in Florida, when we have one or two months, we get
10:33:20 cold weather, you might have to turn on some heat.
10:33:27 I mean, if you looked at these two months for these that are
10:33:32 seasonal, and not utilize, in the winter months --
10:33:43 >> Let's not for get the correlation of seasonal pool.
10:33:50 If we staffed pools all year round we would be staffing them
10:33:54 where we had the most children there, the most adults.
10:33:58 We could cut the hours back.
10:34:00 But seasonal pool is based on the summer recess period.
10:34:04 >> And this is based on -- you are basing it on the kids
10:34:11 that utilize the pools.
10:34:13 But it also can be utilized by adults, too.
10:34:18 >> I wish we had more adults using them.
10:34:20 >> Right.
10:34:21 But I think the programs, a little more adult services that
10:34:27 use the facilities, you know, you would have more adult
10:34:34 And I just think that it can be done, not being utilized,
10:34:40 and dependent on the students, because most of these
10:34:46 facilities have after school programs for the kids.
10:34:51 And I have seen some where they have over a hundred kids
10:34:56 participating in after-school programs.
10:34:58 And these kids getting out like 2:00, 3:00 in the afternoon.
10:35:04 So that pool could be utilized in addition to the adult
10:35:10 programs, and some of them have adult programs that I have
10:35:12 seen, because they have exercise programs for the adults and
10:35:22 different other programs.
10:35:23 So I just want to see how this analysis be done, the
10:35:29 evaluation be done to determine how these programs, these
10:35:35 pools can be looked upon and utilized more than just in the
10:35:38 season and the summer months.
10:35:43 And you represent a very valuable department.
10:35:52 And I think you have to be a politician and say, I need the
10:36:02 We have been building facilities throughout this city, and
10:36:05 we have greater participation, but if you don't say anything
10:36:10 and make your case to whoever is doing the budgeting out
10:36:13 here, you are not going to get anything.
10:36:16 So I think you need to say -- there's two departments and
10:36:29 then I will shut up, Mr. Chair.
10:36:30 There are two departments that need funding, code
10:36:33 enforcement and Parks and Recreation Department.
10:36:38 But if code enforcement directors and park and recreation
10:36:43 department directors don't become politicians for making a
10:36:51 case and begging for increase in funding for your program --
10:36:54 and I think you have got justification to do it -- you are
10:36:58 not going to get anything.
10:36:59 Because ain't nobody going to walk into your office and give
10:37:03 you a million dollars to run your program.
10:37:05 But I believe you can make justification to the mayor and
10:37:07 the budget department, finance department, you and code
10:37:12 enforcement should be doing that.
10:37:14 And I just want to put that out there, because people are
10:37:17 utilizing these parks.
10:37:21 And what I think, Mr. Suarez, every time we go to these
10:37:27 facilities, meetings, people are coming up and -- I mean,
10:37:31 people are questioning about the parks and the pools.
10:37:34 We get all that.
10:37:36 And we have a justification for saying we need additional
10:37:41 funding in order to meet the needs of the community.
10:37:44 And I just want to throw that out to you.
10:37:49 So sharpen your skills and go over up with on one and do the
10:37:53 politician, try to be a politician and get this done.
10:37:56 Thank you.
10:37:56 >>HARRY COHEN: Councilwoman Capin.
10:38:02 >>YVONNE CAPIN: As far as the budget and increasing, that
10:38:05 would be our job right here.
10:38:06 That's what we do.
10:38:08 Now, that's why I brought up -- and we are going to have a
10:38:12 workshop on May 23rd on just that, the budget.
10:38:18 But more importantly, in the past, I know that directors
10:38:23 came directly to City Council members to talk about their
10:38:27 needs, their budget.
10:38:29 We don't have that.
10:38:31 I think that might be helpful to bring back.
10:38:36 So when it comes to increasing -- I don't know about being a
10:38:43 Maybe that will help.
10:38:44 I don't know.
10:38:44 We got the votes.
10:38:45 We are here.
10:38:46 But, you know, you are administrator.
10:38:51 You were hired to do the job.
10:38:53 But I do believe that coming to council and making your case
10:39:00 as to how you are using the budget, why you think you need
10:39:03 more, where you think it needs to be more, that would be
10:39:06 very helpful to us.
10:39:08 Because when you look at the budget, it comes to us, and I
10:39:16 think a workshop, that's one of the things I will look at is
10:39:21 directors coming to City Council members and also, you know,
10:39:28 we are responsible for that budget.
10:39:31 That's what we do.
10:39:32 >> I'm sure all departments are woefully behind what they
10:39:43 could do if they had more funding.
10:39:45 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Right.
10:39:46 And everybody knows we have a budget deficit.
10:39:48 But there could be ways of moving money around that we may
10:39:53 prioritize that may not be prioritized, or might not be
10:39:57 recognized by the administration until it's pointed out, but
10:40:01 it would be very helpful if it's pointed out from the dais
10:40:05 right here.
10:40:06 So thank you.
10:40:08 And thanks, Councilman Reddick and Councilman Suarez for
10:40:14 their input.
10:40:15 >>HARRY COHEN: I just wanted to say to close out, I had
10:40:19 originally asked for this mainly because I wanted for us as
10:40:23 council members to have this information so we could
10:40:26 actually have a baseline to see what was going on at the
10:40:29 individual pools.
10:40:30 One of the questions that I have gotten from a lot of people
10:40:33 that are looking forward to using the Jenkins pool, I'm sure
10:40:36 Mr. Reddick has heard this from people that are looking
10:40:39 forward to the opening of the Williams park pool, they want
10:40:43 to know what's going on at the other pools so they have a
10:40:45 sense of what they can expect the baseline of service will
10:40:47 be that they can expect from the pool that is nearest to
10:40:53 I also just wanted to say that these are the most popular
10:40:59 and used programs in the city and I think what you heard
10:41:03 from council members is we are all really very supportive of
10:41:05 doing everything we can to help make sure that you all have
10:41:08 the resources that you need in order to keep as many pools
10:41:12 open and functioning as much of the time as is possible.
10:41:16 I know that I really appreciated some of your staff taking
10:41:20 me around to some of the different pools.
10:41:22 And I have noticed that there is some incongruity in terms
10:41:29 of what's actually being utilized and what's actually being
10:41:32 And I don't think we should jump to the conclusion that it
10:41:37 always makes sense to keep every pool open year round,
10:41:40 because I visited some which are fully heated which didn't
10:41:44 seem to be utilized at all, particularly in the middle of
10:41:47 the school day.
10:41:48 On the other hand, we definitely have time during the
10:41:51 summer, after-school hours, where there are way more kids
10:41:55 wanting to use the pools than there is room for them.
10:41:58 So this information that you have given us which is really
10:42:01 comprehensive, and I think really helpful, will help us
10:42:05 understand better where the resources are being allocated
10:42:08 and will give us the ability, I think, to suggest to you any
10:42:11 ideas that we might have about ways that resources can be
10:42:16 juggled in order to serve the maximum amount of people.
10:42:20 And I just want to echo everyone else's sentiments that we
10:42:24 are really glad that these pools are open and the youth and
10:42:30 adults in our community have the advantage to take advantage
10:42:32 of some really great facilities.
10:42:34 So thank you very much.
10:42:35 Mr. Suarez.
10:42:35 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I apologize.
10:42:38 Greg, one last question.
10:42:41 And this will help us -- I think Mr. Reddick pointed it up
10:42:45 in terms of the budget issues.
10:42:49 It would really help us to know the cost of running a heated
10:42:55 pool year round, and then just give us an idea of what the
10:42:59 cost is to run both the physical part of it and then the
10:43:06 programming part of it, because in terms of what the costs
10:43:13 are, in terms of the specific pools, because some pools are
10:43:16 going to cost more to heat versus other pools based on their
10:43:19 size, based on the age, based on a lot of other things.
10:43:24 And in addition, you know, all those other things.
10:43:27 There's cleaning.
10:43:28 You have to be sure it's maintained, that the pumps are
10:43:32 maintained, the amount of chemicals that get put into it.
10:43:36 There are so many other things you that go in pools.
10:43:38 And you know how much trouble it can be.
10:43:40 So maybe we can get a report from you either individually,
10:43:45 meeting with us individually, and give us that information,
10:43:48 or the next time you are back at council.
10:43:51 I don't want to make it a specific recommendation if you
10:43:55 come back on a staff report but I do think that's a piece of
10:43:58 information that we would really greatly appreciate so that
10:44:00 we know exactly that part of the pool maintenance and pool
10:44:06 programming so that we can plan better for the budget that's
10:44:09 coming up.
10:44:10 Because we are going to start getting numbers soon in terms
10:44:12 of where we are at in revenue and that ball has already
10:44:17 started to go forward with what you are going to need.
10:44:19 I'm sure that the mayor and administration already told you,
10:44:22 hey, now what?
10:44:23 Cut back, or give us a number with 50% cut, 5, 10%, or as
10:44:30 So I know that that's going to work into the system but we
10:44:36 would greatly appreciate it if you could give it to us so we
10:44:39 can sort of analyze it.
10:44:40 Thank you.
10:44:44 If you want, I will entertain a motion to have it brought
10:44:47 before -- you wanted to have this brought before us?
10:44:51 >> Yes, to submit in the writing to us.
10:44:54 Is two weeks?
10:44:55 >> We can do that.
10:44:56 >> Okay. In two weeks.
10:44:58 >>HARRY COHEN: We have a motion from Councilman Suarez,
10:45:00 seconded by Councilman Reddick.
10:45:02 All those in favor indicate by saying aye.
10:45:04 Councilwoman Capin.
10:45:06 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I'm sorry.
10:45:10 That the Parks Department deliver to us a written statement
10:45:13 of the cost of facility maintenance and programming at each
10:45:18 one of the pools on a yearly basis.
10:45:22 Thank you.
10:45:26 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Thank you.
10:45:27 And I want to thank you, Councilman Cohen, for bringing this
10:45:30 And again, it gets back to the budget and it gets back to --
10:45:38 you know, we ask for this information.
10:45:40 We ask for this workshop to talk about it.
10:45:43 When it could be automatic.
10:45:44 It could be something that we do.
10:45:46 If we have a concern, that's where a budget analyst would
10:45:50 come in to drill down into these budgets and come back to
10:45:54 council and say, yeah, that can be done, and this is how it
10:45:58 can be done.
10:45:59 Or it can't be done.
10:46:00 There is no more fund.
10:46:02 That's where the budget analyst comes in, where we can have
10:46:05 them drill down into our specific concerns that we have.
10:46:11 Councilman Reddick mentioned the code enforcement.
10:46:15 That is another one.
10:46:18 And, you know, we have these workshops.
10:46:21 And now you are going to bring back in writing the
10:46:25 maintenance of the pools.
10:46:26 And that is time consuming.
10:46:30 By the time we have that information, in order to change
10:46:33 that budget, that ball is rolling.
10:46:38 And I think it's very, very important that we catch it early
10:46:42 and are able to change it in time.
10:46:55 I think that was it.
10:46:57 It went poof and it's not there anymore for now.
10:47:00 Thank you.
10:47:01 >>HARRY COHEN: If there are no more questions from council
10:47:04 members, Mr. Bayor, thank you very much.
10:47:07 Mr. Miranda had asked earlier for a motion to close workshop
10:47:10 number 4.
10:47:11 But before we do that -- excuse me, the workshop -- is there
10:47:15 anyone from the public that wishes to speak about
10:47:17 specifically about the pools?
10:47:23 I see one person.
10:47:24 Oh, excuse me, Councilwoman Capin.
10:47:27 >>YVONNE CAPIN: It came back.
10:47:28 Excuse me, Mr. Bayor.
10:47:33 What they call splash pads, in the parks.
10:47:37 I noticed the one out at Ballast Point, that that is on year
10:47:42 And the children are in there constantly.
10:47:47 And that does not require a lifeguard, and they love them.
10:47:52 They absolutely love it.
10:47:53 And you see them.
10:47:54 I was there in January and the kids were in there.
10:47:57 Their lips were purple but they were happy as can be as kids
10:48:02 So I think that's something we should look at more in our
10:48:06 Thank you.
10:48:06 >> I'm ed.
10:48:11 Ed Tillou.
10:48:12 I live in silver springs a few blocks from the Sulphur
10:48:16 Springs pool and something sort of left out a couple years
10:48:19 ago which has not been mentioned at all and if you have
10:48:24 money to throw at this problem, great.
10:48:26 Because over the years, I used to use that pool.
10:48:29 And I was on a swimming team in college, and I carried that
10:48:32 over to getting certified as a lifeguard, came down in the
10:48:35 early 90s, tried to find work with the department, but I
10:48:39 had the feeling it was good old boys network.
10:48:43 But what happens is these pools are not open on holiday, and
10:48:49 the thing is that on the holiday, like July 4th or
10:48:52 something, one of the things people lake to do is go to the
10:48:55 Well, people from here know that the beaches are far away,
10:48:59 the beach is 25 miles each way, so it's 50 miles, and gas
10:49:04 costs much more.
10:49:05 Yet the pools are closed.
10:49:07 And this is becoming increasingly a situation for me, given
10:49:14 that I am not a person with family, and I have a job and I
10:49:18 have to go.
10:49:19 I do have a job in a way when schooling is my job.
10:49:23 These things I come to, global warming and things, I
10:49:27 research that endlessly, as well as the novel I'm working
10:49:30 on, my four degrees going on to six.
10:49:34 So the thing is, I'm at school now on Saturdays and Sundays
10:49:38 because I have it open and available for me.
10:49:42 And the whole school closes down on July 4th, Memorial
10:49:45 Day, all these holiday, and I just would really like to use
10:49:49 those pools.
10:49:50 Now, how you can bring it off I don't know, because the
10:49:55 pools are open on Saturday and Sunday, programs during the
10:49:59 week, kids learn to swim, the 50 lap club or whatever, and
10:50:04 therefore this stuff gets out of the way and people can use
10:50:07 the pools on Saturday and Sunday but not on holiday.
10:50:10 So that has got to become front and center and something
10:50:14 that really, really should be done.
10:50:16 >>HARRY COHEN: Thank you very much for those statements.
10:50:21 Mr. Bayor.
10:50:21 >>GREG BAYOR: Our pools will be open Memorial Day, Fourth
10:50:25 of July and Labor Day.
10:50:26 >>HARRY COHEN: There you go.
10:50:29 I think with that, we thank you for that, and we will
10:50:32 entertain a motion to close this workshop.
10:50:34 >> Move to close.
10:50:36 >> Second.
10:50:36 >>HARRY COHEN: We have a motion from Councilman Reddick,
10:50:39 seconded by Councilwoman Capin.
10:50:41 All those in favor please indicate by saying aye.
10:50:45 We are going to move on to item number 6, which is
10:50:50 discussion of the January 2012 text amendment cycle revision
10:50:54 late related to historic preservation set forth in chapter
10:51:01 >>DENNIS FERNANDEZ: Architecture review, staff presentation
10:51:05 The subject of the items are the revision to the Barrio
10:51:10 Latino commission ordinance.
10:51:12 The ordinance has been in place largely since the initial
10:51:18 beginning of the barrio, with no significant changes in that
10:51:22 ordinance for over 20 years.
10:51:26 So although the program has developed and the expectations
10:51:29 of the program have developed, the ordinance is still in its
10:51:34 original format, and is in desperate need of updating.
10:51:38 The process overall through the ordinance revisions that are
10:51:44 proposed is to correlate the program to the current
10:51:49 ordinance that the VRC utilizes which was updated a couple
10:51:56 years ago and to take opportunity to streamline certain
10:51:58 processes so that the reviews are as compact as possible
10:52:02 given the need to publicly notice.
10:52:09 Revisions of the ordinance also brings the language in
10:52:11 compliance with the certified local government program,
10:52:15 which is how the department of state and essentially allows
10:52:20 our board to review certain scopes of work and to offer the
10:52:25 ad valorem tax exemption program as well.
10:52:28 I will hit the high notes, and then if you would like I can
10:52:33 answer any questions that you have.
10:52:37 One of the first things that you will notice is that the
10:52:38 membership number and composition of the Barrio Latino
10:52:43 commissioners is being proposed to change, in the current
10:52:48 code, the membership consists of nine members and two
10:52:54 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Ms. Mulhern has a question.
10:52:55 >>MARY MULHERN: Thank you.
10:52:57 Would you point out to, I guess, on the draft changes where
10:53:03 the things you are outlining now are as you go over it?
10:53:09 I guess on the new clean version.
10:53:14 >>DENNIS FERNANDEZ: Sure.
10:53:15 We are on that right now section 27-94 which deals with the
10:53:20 creation and the membership of the Barrio Latino commission.
10:53:26 On my copy it's page 19.
10:53:28 I'm not exactly sure if we are working off the same copies.
10:53:32 >>MARY MULHERN: Wait, do we have the clean copies?
10:53:37 Historic -- okay, page 19?
10:53:41 >>DENNIS FERNANDEZ: Yes.
10:53:41 Under item "B" is the membership.
10:53:43 That's where I was beginning at.
10:53:46 And in the original, or in the current ordinance, as I said,
10:53:50 there's 11 members.
10:53:52 Nine full time members and two alternates.
10:53:55 That number is very consistent with our other boards.
10:53:58 Both the Architectural Review Commission and historic
10:54:03 commission have a total of seven members and two alternates,
10:54:07 and at no time since I have been with the department have
10:54:10 way been able to actually fill all eleven of those
10:54:13 So we are recommending that we reduce the number of members
10:54:17 by two.
10:54:20 The appointment ratio is still remains the same.
10:54:24 However, overall numbers, numbers that we can even
10:54:27 accommodate within this room, which we use for our meetings,
10:54:30 is restricted to seven.
10:54:32 The two alternates fill in as necessary.
10:54:35 The ten-year modification, which is on the next page, page
10:54:41 20, item C, we are proposing that we increase the term of
10:54:49 the Barrio Latino commission members from two years to three
10:54:52 years and that's also consistent with the other boards
10:54:55 including the ARC and HPC.
10:54:58 Two years go by very quickly and it seems that the members
10:55:01 do want to serve the additional year, and limiting them to
10:55:05 four years instead of six years seems to be something that's
10:55:10 a concern to them as well.
10:55:14 Moving on to the next section, 27-295, which my copy is page
10:55:20 21, it deals with the power and duty of the Barrio Latino
10:55:27 commission and the staff.
10:55:28 The powers and duty of the commission essentially remain
10:55:31 There is an expansion of their role as far as advisory
10:55:37 recommendations to City Council.
10:55:39 There is being added to be consistent with that in place for
10:55:42 the architecture review commission.
10:55:44 So in addition to providing the City Council with a
10:55:46 recommendation on rezoning, they would also provide
10:55:50 recommendations on comprehensive plan amendments, and
10:55:53 special use permit requests with the exception of alcohol
10:55:58 beverage requests.
10:55:59 >>MARY MULHERN: Where is that in -- is it 27 --
10:56:08 >>DENNIS FERNANDEZ: It's under H.
10:56:10 Yes, page 22 under H.
10:56:31 They tend to be grouped in the existing ordinance and
10:56:46 provide more clarity for the responsibilities of the
10:56:49 commission and staff.
10:56:58 27-296, moving towards page 24, dealing with a criteria that
10:57:11 the Barrio Latino commission uses when it considers
10:57:17 There was an additional criteria or hardship criteria
10:57:21 commonly referred to as the arc process and we are
10:57:27 suggesting to add that into Barrio Latino commission profits
10:57:31 as well.
10:57:31 That's going to be on page 25.
10:57:34 And what that criteria says in essence is that an
10:57:41 unnecessary hardship should not -- or should be in essence
10:57:47 accommodated, if that hardship is being realized through the
10:57:50 efforts of the property owner to maintain historic building
10:57:54 So whereas, for instance, if a property owner was coming
10:57:59 forward to add a porte-cochere onto a particular property
10:58:04 and that porte-cochere would extend back to the setback of
10:58:09 that property, that could be viewed as a self-imposed
10:58:12 hardship that they are creating by adding that
10:58:17 What this language does is just a basis for the board to
10:58:21 grant those types of hardship requests, variance requests,
10:58:26 setback reduction, in order to maintain building patterns
10:58:30 predominant in the area or along that street.
10:58:33 So with the existing criteria, sometimes there is a struggle
10:58:38 to have that criteria work for.
10:58:42 >>MARY MULHERN: So are there patterns that were not -- did
10:58:52 not happen when you have a protection of the historic
10:58:57 designation criteria?
10:58:59 And I'm not sure.
10:59:00 I think we --
10:59:04 >>DENNIS FERNANDEZ: It wouldn't be applicable.
10:59:05 >>MARY MULHERN: That was something that was not consistent
10:59:22 with the historic development in the neighborhood?
10:59:25 I don't see how that should justify a hardship.
10:59:28 >>REBECCA KERT: Legal department.
10:59:31 This particular criteria actually came when we were
10:59:34 providing the ARC -- some of you weren't here, but for those
10:59:39 that were, you may recall that there was a volunteer working
10:59:43 group, historic preservation activists, were very concerned
10:59:50 that at times, as you know, except for some of the form
10:59:54 based codes, overall we have a suburban based setback,
10:59:58 et cetera, that don't always work well to protect the
11:00:01 historic patterns that you have in our historic
11:00:04 neighborhoods, and maybe very common to have a porte-cochere
11:00:09 within, say, seven feet of the edge of your property.
11:00:13 It may be the historic pattern.
11:00:15 Most of the houses at that time that have historic
11:00:19 significant could have that.
11:00:20 So that's not recognized in the overall setback requirement.
11:00:24 And so at the request of that group, this criteria was
11:00:28 added -- and I am going take a step back -- as a matter of
11:00:32 law, if you have a pattern in your neighborhood, and your
11:00:35 zoning code does not allow that pattern, and the seventh
11:00:39 person wants a carport, you know, the courts say that's not
11:00:48 a hardship, that is the city rewriting their zoning code,
11:00:55 and what this acknowledges is that in our historic
11:00:57 neighborhoods, there may be a pattern that exists that is
11:01:00 not in conformance with the suburban style setbacks that we
11:01:05 have, and that that in itself for that property owner who
11:01:08 wants just a porch, that everyone else has, or
11:01:12 porte-cochere, the setback that he's trying to preserve in
11:01:17 historic pattern is something that can be considered and a
11:01:21 variance can be granted wherein if it is not in a historic
11:01:25 neighborhood it would be denied even if everyone else had
11:01:29 that same thing.
11:01:29 >>MARY MULHERN: Okay.
11:01:30 I think I understand, but I still have some concern.
11:01:34 But I'm not going to stop you at everything.
11:01:36 I would like, Dennis, for you to tell us, keep giving us the
11:01:42 numbers and the pages and what you are talking about.
11:01:45 But we are going to need really an executive summary when
11:01:50 this comes back.
11:01:54 >>DENNIS FERNANDEZ: Sure.
11:01:54 >>MARY MULHERN: This is just too much to process.
11:01:56 And I have had that request for many constituents.
11:02:06 >>DENNIS FERNANDEZ: Sure.
11:02:06 Not a problem.
11:02:07 The next section under I, which is on page 26, talks about
11:02:15 expiration of variances.
11:02:16 Expiration of variances and CAs are not mentioned which
11:02:22 exists in perpetuity.
11:02:23 They are not actually acted upon.
11:02:25 That becomes, you know, as far as tracking, in perpetuity
11:02:31 becomes an issue consistent with the other boards in
11:02:33 granting their variances, recommending to offer five-year
11:02:38 time for an individual to act upon their variance, and in
11:02:40 that time if they don't they would need to come back and
11:02:43 reapply for variance.
11:02:46 Moving on to section 27-97, which is also on page 26, this
11:02:55 process creates the historic preservation Development Review
11:02:57 Committee for the Barrio Latino commission.
11:03:01 That committee is already in place for the Architectural
11:03:03 Review Commission under the previous ordinance provision.
11:03:06 And what that is, a group much like the zoning DRC that
11:03:10 meets the agency representatives in the city, reviewing a
11:03:15 project for development, this group would also meet with the
11:03:18 emphasis on reviewing the development and meeting the
11:03:21 historic preservation guidelines that are in place, and
11:03:26 allows for concurrent review process, it enables an
11:03:29 applicant to have certain amount of project review at the
11:03:33 same time that they are going through the design review
11:03:35 So when they do receive the CA they are ready to submit the
11:03:40 Currently we have a design review process, but that is
11:03:45 solely limited to the certificate of appropriateness process
11:03:50 and does not run concurrent with the development review
11:03:53 So that's one of our streamlining efforts.
11:03:55 And we think it will shave probably two weeks off.
11:04:00 >>HARRY COHEN: Councilwoman Mulhern.
11:04:04 >>MARY MULHERN: I'm sorry.
11:04:05 I lied.
11:04:06 I am going to keep interrupting you.
11:04:09 Does that apply to both 27-98, those changes?
11:04:14 >>DENNIS FERNANDEZ: It will apply to any certificate of
11:04:15 appropriateness request.
11:04:19 Certificate of appropriateness requests that are presented.
11:04:32 Moving on to 27-98 still on page 26, this section
11:04:36 consolidates multiple sections of the existing ordinance and
11:04:40 also provides a more clarity for the public and for the
11:04:43 commission as to the review criteria.
11:04:46 Review criteria right now is almost in a practical form in
11:04:51 the existing code that's broken down into specific items so
11:04:53 that they are easily delineated.
11:04:56 It also makes a distinction between applications for new
11:05:00 construction, rehabilitation.
11:05:03 When the existing barrio is written, and the guidelines at
11:05:07 that point, much of the emphasis is on rehabilitation of
11:05:11 historic structures, going back into the early 80s, with
11:05:14 the ordinance.
11:05:15 That has shifted tremendously in the Ybor City historic
11:05:18 district to new construction, and we need to have criteria
11:05:22 for the board to evaluate appropriate new construction.
11:05:26 That criteria that we are introducing here is the same
11:05:29 criteria essentially informs the DRC for new construction.
11:05:37 Moving on to 27-99, which is going to skip some pages to
11:05:42 page 32, also, every section really consolidates multiple
11:05:49 existing sections of the current ordinances is quite large
11:05:53 and has a lot of information and really not pertinent to the
11:05:57 design review process.
11:05:59 It does provide clarity to the applicant as to what the
11:06:01 necessary submissions are, and evidence, and particularly
11:06:07 evidence that deals with requests to demolish or relocate
11:06:12 historic structures.
11:06:15 We worked to clarify the information, and most Port
11:06:22 Netanyahu on page 34, under the evidence that's required for
11:06:29 demolition and economic hardship section, from there moves
11:06:33 on to page 36.
11:06:36 There is an effort there to apply clarity because that is
11:06:40 something that the board takes very seriously and spends a
11:06:43 great deal of time discussing.
11:06:45 Under item D, parenthesis D, that particular language was
11:06:52 expanded to relate the different evidence that's presented
11:07:01 in forms of costs associated with rehabilitation to relate
11:07:06 those costs that are presented to the board, to the costs of
11:07:10 rehabilitating a comparable structure.
11:07:12 That's one thing that I think the board has expressed a
11:07:15 frustration with, is that sometimes if demolition does come
11:07:19 before them, the applicant will present information that
11:07:22 they feel to a comparable property, and may be something
11:07:27 that an individual might need restoring to a level that is
11:07:30 found in South Tampa versus something that's much more
11:07:33 modest as is found in Ybor City.
11:07:36 So having a level playing ground was an effort that we tried
11:07:41 to instill into that particular section.
11:07:43 Also adding under parenthesis 4, page 36, self-imposed
11:07:52 economic hardships which the current ordinance is on and
11:07:57 authorizes the Barrio Latino commission to essentially deny
11:08:00 a request where a self-imposed economic hardship is evident,
11:08:06 that would be when someone willfully or intentionally
11:08:10 neither property and allows it to fall into disrepair and
11:08:14 that's consistent with the demolition by neglect ordinance.
11:08:20 Moving on to -- I move to section 27-100 on page 38.
11:08:29 And that talks about certificates of appropriateness.
11:08:32 And once again, as I said before, putting a limit into the
11:08:38 certificate of appropriateness can be utilized, in this case
11:08:41 five years.
11:08:43 Previously under the ARC it was three years, when we updated
11:08:47 the ordinance we expanded to five years and that's what we
11:08:50 are suggesting for this particular ordinance to have a
11:08:52 five-year period where someone can act on an ordinance.
11:08:55 Currently, it's in perpetuity, and won once again difficult
11:09:00 not to track that.
11:09:03 And the last major section that's being changed is 27-101
11:09:08 which are approvals by the DLC administrator, staff
11:09:13 That's on page 39.
11:09:14 Currently, the ordinance essentially allows the board to
11:09:18 delegate certain reviews over time.
11:09:23 The barrio has been in place in its current format since the
11:09:26 80s to list through multiple administrators and also
11:09:31 multiple board members.
11:09:33 In this way we are delineating what the staff authority is
11:09:36 for approval in both single-family and duplex structures,
11:09:41 commercial multiple family, and new construction.
11:09:45 And anytime that the staff does deny an application, it will
11:09:49 automatically be scheduled before the board for review.
11:09:53 So that's a basic overview.
11:09:57 >>MARY MULHERN: Can you explain that a little bit more what
11:10:00 the change is there?
11:10:03 So currently, if staff denied --
11:10:09 >> Currently with all of our process, if an individual from
11:10:14 the public comes in and requests something they would like
11:10:16 on their property, it's just an example that they wanted to
11:10:20 add vinyl siding onto a residence, which is not allowed
11:10:23 within the historic district, then the staff would
11:10:28 essentially not approve that.
11:10:29 That would be a denial of that particular request.
11:10:32 And that individual can then go to the ARC or BLC and make
11:10:37 that request to them.
11:10:38 So not as if they do not have a course to essentially appeal
11:10:43 If the ARC or BLC denies that, then the review process would
11:10:47 be able to come before the council.
11:10:49 >>MARY MULHERN: So before the changes you made here, there
11:10:53 was no recourse for them to appeal?
11:10:57 >>DENNIS FERNANDEZ: There was an appeal process.
11:10:59 What was not in place was an actual list of what the
11:11:03 authority of the staff was in approving an administrative
11:11:09 >>MARY MULHERN: So that's what's here and what they can --
11:11:14 and when you say staff, is that your staff or is that the
11:11:17 land development staff?
11:11:19 >>DENNIS FERNANDEZ: This is the historic preservation staff.
11:11:20 >>MARY MULHERN: Historic preservation staff.
11:11:26 >>DENNIS FERNANDEZ: I am happy to answer any other questions
11:11:28 and definitely get you an executive summary of that group
11:11:31 next opportunity.
11:11:31 >>HARRY COHEN: Any other comments or questions by council
11:11:36 Councilwoman Mulhern.
11:11:38 >>MARY MULHERN: I just want to add a couple things to that
11:11:41 request, for an executive summary, before we see this again.
11:11:48 Including a comparison of any changes, including any
11:11:52 additions, modified or removed powers, and any changes to
11:11:58 criteria, if any.
11:12:02 So I'll repeat that as a motion.
11:12:04 Do you want me to repeat that as a motion?
11:12:07 >>HARRY COHEN: You can ask about it in writing or to come
11:12:09 back --
11:12:11 >>MARY MULHERN: I am going to make a motion when we are
11:12:13 But whenever this is going to come back to us an ordinance
11:12:28 >>CATHERINE COYLE: We are asking you to transmit this
11:12:30 through the normal process.
11:12:32 >>MARY MULHERN: You want us to transmit it today?
11:12:35 >>CATHERINE COYLE: If possible.
11:12:36 It would go in June for their hearing and come back for the
11:12:39 two public hearings.
11:12:39 >>MARY MULHERN: I'm not ready to do that.
11:12:43 Just let me say this to council.
11:12:45 I don't know how the rest of you feel.
11:12:46 But I am not ready to do that because I could not, even
11:12:49 after the good explanation that you gave us, there's a lot
11:12:54 of changes here.
11:12:55 And I don't feel that I had the opportunity to really
11:12:59 understand what they are.
11:13:01 I need an explanation and I need time to go over these.
11:13:05 And I think the way that you presented this with the
11:13:08 strike-through in the entire chapter, and then a brand new
11:13:12 one, doesn't work.
11:13:13 So I don't feel comfortable transmitting this to the
11:13:17 Planning Commission.
11:13:18 So I would rather maybe ask for a continuance.
11:13:25 Give us an scuff summary, the public to be able to see that
11:13:29 executive summary, and then I would be ready.
11:13:33 >>HARRY COHEN: Let me ask a question of Ms. Coyle.
11:13:36 What is the time frame in which you are will go for this to
11:13:38 be transmitted?
11:13:39 How much time would Councilwoman Mulhern and the rest of us
11:13:42 have before the transmission would need to be made?
11:13:47 >>MARY MULHERN: This particular one has lingered for a
11:13:50 little while so it's really up to you at this point.
11:13:52 I mean, the July cycle is quickly coming anyway.
11:13:55 So if we wait to transmit it for a month or two, we are
11:13:57 going to be in that cycle anyway so it really up to you at
11:14:00 this point.
11:14:01 >>HARRY COHEN: So really a month or two isn't going to make
11:14:04 any big difference.
11:14:08 >>CATHERINE COYLE: I think to speak to Mr. Point we are
11:14:12 trying to bring the Barrio Latino process in line with
11:14:16 changes previously to the ARC changes to make the boards and
11:14:20 processes very similar so he can manage them in the same
11:14:22 We do essentially the same thing in, two separate parts of
11:14:26 the city.
11:14:27 And the reason why you have a strike-through version is
11:14:29 because the language itself was being reorganized in such a
11:14:33 way that it was easier to strike it and rewrite it as
11:14:37 opposed to going through each single section and having the
11:14:41 strike through embedded in it.
11:14:44 So it was easier just to get rid of it and write it anew.
11:14:48 But it's more difficult to read it and comprehend it.
11:14:55 If you can give us an executive summary that points to every
11:14:57 single change, every single word, language, punctuation
11:15:01 change, that will be okay.
11:15:03 Otherwise, you know, where I would suggest now -- and I'll
11:15:11 make the motion for what I would like you to come back
11:15:13 with -- is maybe we move this to our next -- I'm not sure
11:15:18 about moving it to a workshop meeting because I think this
11:15:21 is something where the public might want to be involved and
11:15:25 maybe we could do it at the beginning of one of our night
11:15:29 >>CATHERINE COYLE: I believe you have spoken with the Ybor
11:15:32 They workshopped it.
11:15:33 >> We worked with the Ybor City Development Corporation, the
11:15:37 neighborhood representative that attends their various
11:15:40 commission meetings.
11:15:41 And I would be happy to continue to do that.
11:15:44 >> We also have a whole constituency of historic
11:15:50 preservation advocates in the city, not just in Ybor.
11:15:55 So I wanted to be as open as possible.
11:15:57 >> What I am going to do is go to Councilwoman Capin and
11:16:01 then Councilwoman Mulhern, I will come back to you and you
11:16:03 can make a motion when you would like to hear this.
11:16:09 >>YVONNE CAPIN: One of the things that might be helpful,
11:16:13 which Sonya Little and her department did when we asked for
11:16:16 a continuation on the changes, was that I understand
11:16:21 striking it, but what they did was when they have rewritten
11:16:30 the parts that were changed were in red, and that might be
11:16:34 helpful to stand out exactly, the verbiage that is being
11:16:41 En though all of it is struck, not all of it is changed.
11:16:44 >>REBECCA KERT: Legal department.
11:16:49 When we did this for the ARC it was very similar.
11:16:53 I can give you what's underlined.
11:16:56 It's not going to make sense because this is moved over here
11:16:59 and this is moved over here.
11:17:00 They are no longer in the same order which is why we came
11:17:03 What we did through the ARC and -- and I would be more than
11:17:07 happy to do it again for the BLC -- is we say, this is moved
11:17:12 here, this is exactly the same.
11:17:13 This is moved here and now it says this.
11:17:16 But that would probably be clearer.
11:17:19 I will give you the underlined.
11:17:23 I not going to be helpful.
11:17:25 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I appreciate your suggestion.
11:17:26 I think that would be better.
11:17:28 And you are right, where you have one word here and sections
11:17:32 moved, that would be very --
11:17:39 >>REBECCA KERT: Whatever you all would like.
11:17:45 >>YVONNE CAPIN: You just did.
11:17:46 So that would be helpful.
11:17:47 That's just a suggestion.
11:17:48 >>HARRY COHEN: Why don't I take public comment now, if
11:17:57 there's anyone from the public that would like to have three
11:17:59 minutes to comment on these proposed changes.
11:18:05 >> I'm Ed.
11:18:12 Ed Tillou.
11:18:13 I guess you would say a planner, not that I worked in it
11:18:18 much but I studied it at Stanford.
11:18:24 I took my first courses which were in New York.
11:18:34 And I mentioned earlier in the context of the swimming team
11:18:37 I was on.
11:18:43 Anyway, I adjusted those for the people down there.
11:18:48 1854. That's what that dates from. People said, no, no,
11:19:07 it's nothing interesting, it's real estate speculation,
11:19:09 legalized verbiage and such.
11:19:11 Well, fortunately, there are other manifestations of
11:19:16 history, and I guess you would say historic preservation.
11:19:19 Maybe at some point I'll get to this if he can get through
11:19:24 these few points of today, I will be able to get in a future
11:19:28 meeting to the public health impact of Cuban sandwiches, the
11:19:33 bad side of them.
11:19:34 But here is a little bit of history.
11:19:40 It's in the movie theaters right now.
11:19:44 And I feel a little attached to this.
11:19:48 >>HARRY COHEN: The topic is historic preservation.
11:19:51 >> Well, okay.
11:19:53 A lot of people want to focus on-they wanted to --
11:20:00 >>HARRY COHEN: In Ybor City.
11:20:01 >> Well, yes, well, Ybor City.
11:20:05 And I contacted my friend Ed Asidato, my engineering
11:20:12 colleague, and tried to interest him in it, but I didn't
11:20:16 succeed and I think he died because he didn't seem to renew
11:20:19 his engineering license.
11:20:20 But this is a part of history, because it's a very important
11:20:23 point that relates to Tampa.
11:20:25 And that -- and Florida.
11:20:30 And that's this fellow.
11:20:32 I don't know if you know him.
11:20:33 His son was killed recently.
11:20:36 Not recently. Two years ago.
11:20:38 And one of the stories he told me was -- and this bears on
11:20:44 42 -- he said, LBJ asked for his help in passing Civil
11:20:49 Rights Act.
11:20:51 And for that reason, when I saw this movie "42" and this
11:20:56 fellow --
11:20:57 >>HARRY COHEN: Sir, sir.
11:20:58 >> -- Harrison Ford, I thought --
11:21:01 >>HARRY COHEN: We are far afield from the topic.
11:21:04 >> Well, it's too bad that he isn't here to see it.
11:21:09 Because it would remind you of his father.
11:21:14 About wanted to get to this.
11:21:15 (Bell sounds)
11:21:17 >>HARRY COHEN: You have had enough time this afternoon.
11:21:19 >> And that's a lot more interesting than legal verbiage.
11:21:24 >>HARRY COHEN: We are going to move on and close the
11:21:26 workshop now.
11:21:27 >> So we have to keep the public interested in this.
11:21:33 Like the festivals do.
11:21:35 That's what I'm saying.
11:21:36 >>HARRY COHEN: Okay.
11:21:37 >> And the movies.
11:21:38 >>HARRY COHEN: Thank you very much.
11:21:41 Before we close the workshop I am going to go to
11:21:44 Councilwoman Mulhern for a motion.
11:21:45 >>MARY MULHERN: I would like to make a motion that we
11:21:51 continue this workshop for transmittal to the Planning
11:21:59 Commission to June 13th at 5:00 p.m.
11:22:05 My motion is for it to come back with an executive summary,
11:22:13 and a more readable strike-through version, to be determined
11:22:17 by the writer of the language, and a comparison of changes,
11:22:25 including any additions, modified or removed powers, and any
11:22:31 changes to the criteria.
11:22:38 >>CATHERINE COYLE: I spoke with Mr. Fernandez about it.
11:22:40 We were going to recommend to come back in the June workshop
11:22:42 during the day, that we would actually invite -- he's very
11:22:49 well aware of those groups of people and works with them
11:22:52 >>MARY MULHERN: I prefer to have it at a public meeting,
11:22:55 council meeting.
11:22:58 The opportunity at a night meeting, more people can come if
11:23:01 we have it at a 5:00 meeting, it's possible more people
11:23:06 would be able to come.
11:23:07 >>HARRY COHEN: Do we hear a second?
11:23:10 >>MARY MULHERN: A public meeting, council meeting.
11:23:13 >>HARRY COHEN: I need a second before.
11:23:16 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I second it.
11:23:19 Thank you.
11:23:19 >>HARRY COHEN: Go ahead.
11:23:26 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Once we determine we want to go ahead and
11:23:28 transmit it, then it comes back for public hearing.
11:23:30 >>CATHERINE COYLE: The public hearing in front of the
11:23:34 Planning Commission and then two public hearings and
11:23:36 readings at City Council, first and second.
11:23:40 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I'm trying to understand the public hearing
11:23:46 >>MARY MULHERN: And I have seen it many times and regret it
11:23:49 that we send to the Planning Commission before we were
11:23:51 comfortable with what was in there, then it comes back to us
11:23:55 approved as is.
11:23:58 And when we try to make changes, we are told it has to go
11:24:01 back to the Planning Commissioner.
11:24:03 I don't want that to happen so I want to be able to know
11:24:05 what I am transmitting to the Planning Commission.
11:24:07 >> I understand that.
11:24:11 You want public --
11:24:13 >>MARY MULHERN: Right.
11:24:13 And I want the public to be here, not just people that we
11:24:16 think might be interested.
11:24:17 I want it to be a publicly noticed council meeting at night
11:24:20 where people, anyone interested in these changes to our most
11:24:24 important historic districts will be able to come.
11:24:28 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Understand.
11:24:29 Thank you for clarifying that.
11:24:30 >>HARRY COHEN: We have a motion to take up this matter
11:24:33 again on June 13th at 5 p.m.
11:24:38 That motion is made by Councilwoman Mulhern.
11:24:40 Seconded by Councilwoman Capin.
11:24:42 All those in favor please indicate by saying aye.
11:24:55 >>CATHERINE COYLE: Last week I was out sick, unfortunately,
11:24:58 still sick.
11:24:58 But I believe a couple items were continued obviously
11:25:01 because I wasn't here to report on them and I don't recall
11:25:04 the exact date you continued them to.
11:25:05 It might be May 16th.
11:25:07 >>HARRY COHEN: Well, I can tell you the electronic science
11:25:10 was conned to May 16th at 10 a.m.
11:25:13 And the short-term rentals of residential properties was
11:25:17 also continued to May 16th at 10 a.m.
11:25:20 >> Okay.
11:25:21 I wanted to reiterate I am not here that week, I am in
11:25:24 San Diego on a conference.
11:25:25 So if you could, I don't know if you can continue it now, or
11:25:28 if I could just send a memo through.
11:25:30 >>HARRY COHEN: Why don't one of us make a motion of that
11:25:35 affect tonight during our evening session?
11:25:41 >> I'm catching up now.
11:25:42 >>HARRY COHEN: Duly noted.
11:25:46 Thank you.
11:25:47 All right, that's fine.
11:25:51 Would someone like to make a motion then to that effect?
11:25:56 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Move to reschedule to June 6th or
11:26:00 continue to June 6th, both the workshop May 16th.
11:26:07 >>HARRY COHEN: Staff reports.
11:26:09 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Staff reports, I'm sorry.
11:26:11 Staff reports on May 16th to be moved to June 6th.
11:26:16 >>HARRY COHEN: Just for clarification that's the one on
11:26:19 electronic signs and rentals.
11:26:23 We have a motion from Councilwoman Capin, seconded by
11:26:26 Councilman Reddick.
11:26:27 All those in favor?
11:26:29 Opposed? Okay.
11:26:32 Before we move on to any new business, the chair asked me to
11:26:39 read into the record a memorandum that was received by
11:26:42 Councilwoman Montelione that she will be absent from today's
11:26:46 City Council meeting both the morning and evening sessions
11:26:49 due to attending the metropolitan planning organization
11:26:52 meeting in Tallahassee.
11:26:55 And with that, we will go from right to left, if any council
11:26:58 members have new business.
11:27:00 Councilman Suarez.
11:27:01 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you, chair.
11:27:03 Actually, I have a commendation request from Councilwoman
11:27:08 Montelione, a request that we prepare commendation honoring
11:27:13 the 30th anniversary of Asia fest to be held Saturday,
11:27:17 April 27th.
11:27:18 >>HARRY COHEN: Seconded by councilwoman Mulhern.
11:27:25 All those in favor please indicate by saying aye.
11:27:30 Councilwoman Capin.
11:27:34 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I would like to move that our workshop
11:27:37 meeting for May 23rd, the workshop, to discuss council's
11:27:41 need for budget analyst, and to discuss whether department
11:27:44 heads be required to come, that I would like to move to ask
11:27:49 the finance chair if he would ask the advisory committee to
11:27:57 consider attending that workshop.
11:28:00 Their input in this matter may be very valuable to our
11:28:04 decision making.
11:28:05 >>HARRY COHEN: I think that's an excellent suggestion: I
11:28:08 don't think we need a motion to do that, but if we do -- to
11:28:14 invite the citizens advisory committee and the budget to
11:28:17 attend the workshop discussing the budget analyst.
11:28:21 For them to consider -- I would like them to consider if
11:28:24 they want to.
11:28:26 I think they would but I would rather not command them,
11:28:30 direct them to.
11:28:30 >>HARRY COHEN: Councilwoman Mulhern.
11:28:33 >>MARY MULHERN: It sound like a really good idea.
11:28:35 I think we should make it a motion just to invite them, but
11:28:39 also part of the motion that they be able to comment.
11:28:45 Or they might want to do that.
11:28:52 >>HARRY COHEN: Invited to appear during a workshop.
11:28:55 Just go ahead and make the motion.
11:28:57 >>YVONNE CAPIN: That is exactly the point.
11:28:58 So I move that we ask the citizens advisory citizens
11:29:06 advisory committee to consider attending the workshop on May
11:29:11 Again, as I said, their input may be very valuable to our
11:29:14 decision making.
11:29:15 And that will be at 9:00 a.m. on the May 23rd workshop.
11:29:20 That's my motion.
11:29:22 >>HARRY COHEN: We have a motion from Councilwoman Capin,
11:29:25 seconded by Councilman Suarez.
11:29:26 All those in favor please indicate by saying aye.
11:29:35 >>YVONNE CAPIN: And this was brought up last week, and I
11:29:37 wanted to bring it up because I was curious, also.
11:29:42 The resolution number 2013-183, which is the resolution that
11:29:47 we passed on March 5, I believe that was.
11:29:52 March 7th.
11:29:54 And it pertained to a resolution asking our counterpart in
11:30:03 the county, county commissioners, to please look at domestic
11:30:10 partner registration again, and that was signed.
11:30:21 It didn't ask for a response.
11:30:23 And they haven't acted on it.
11:30:25 But nonetheless it was done and I wanted to -- we didn't ask
11:30:28 for a response.
11:30:29 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Thank you very much.
11:30:32 Councilman Reddick.
11:30:33 >>FRANK REDDICK: Thank you, Mr. Chair.
11:30:36 I have two items, chair.
11:30:38 One is commendation to be presented to the annual GaYbor day
11:30:51 in Ybor City.
11:30:51 They are requesting commendation.
11:30:53 >> We have ooh motion for commendation from Councilman
11:30:56 Reddick, seconded by Councilman Suarez.
11:31:02 All in favor?
11:31:03 >>FRANK REDDICK: The second is on May 16 at 9 a.m.,
11:31:09 commendation to HAKIM to his service to City of Tampa.
11:31:21 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Second.
11:31:21 >>HARRY COHEN: Indicate by saying aye.
11:31:27 Councilwoman Mulhern.
11:31:28 >>MARY MULHERN: Thank you.
11:31:31 I just have one sad request.
11:31:37 I would like council to send our condolences to the family,
11:31:43 Steve Burton and to the community at large.
11:31:46 Steve died last week.
11:31:48 He was a great community servant and long-time member of the
11:31:55 Tampa Aviation Authority board.
11:31:58 And his funeral services will be happening tomorrow.
11:32:01 And we have the details.
11:32:04 I don't have them right in front of me but I have the
11:32:06 details if anyone wanted to get in touch with me.
11:32:08 >> Second.
11:32:12 >>HARRY COHEN: We have a motion from Councilwoman Mulhern,
11:32:14 seconded by Councilwoman Capin.
11:32:16 All those in favor please indicate by saying aye.
11:32:27 I would like to ask council to pass a resolution
11:32:31 commemorating the honorable James Abba for his significant
11:32:37 contribution to the City of Tampa through his lifetime
11:32:40 Judge lota passed away recently and served our community as
11:32:48 court judge among other things and made a very distinguished
11:32:52 contribution to the legal community here in Tampa.
11:32:53 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Second.
11:33:01 >> All in favor?
11:33:03 >> Okay.
11:33:05 Windy that we are adjourned until 5:01 p.m. tonight.
11:33:09 I need a motion to receive and file.
11:33:11 Motion from Councilman Reddick.
11:33:13 Seconded by Councilwoman Capin.
11:33:15 All those in favor?
11:33:19 Thank you very much.
11:33:20 We'll see you at 5:01 p.m.
11:33:24 >> (Meeting adjourned.)
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