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TAMPA CITY COUNCIL

Thursday, August 20, 2013

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08:53:53

09:07:30 [Sounding gavel]

09:07:33 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: City Council is called to order.

09:07:34 The chair yields to Mr. Harry Cohen.

09:07:36 >>HARRY COHEN: Thank you very much, Mr. Chair.

09:07:39 We welcome this morning the Reverend Vicki R. Walker of Hyde

09:07:43 Park United Methodist Church.

09:07:46 Originally from Kentucky, Vicki earned her masters in an

09:07:49 arts in religion with an emphasis in Christian education

09:07:51 from Asbury Theological Seminary and is an ordained deacon.

09:07:57 She joined Hyde Park Methodist as director of adult

09:08:02 education and now serves as minister of missions and

09:08:04 outreach.

09:08:05 Thank you very much for joining us this morning.

09:08:07 Please rise for the invocation and the pledge of allegiance.

09:08:10 >> Peter Marshall was the chaplain of the United States

09:08:16 Senate in the 1940s, and '47 and '48, and I have adapted

09:08:20 one of his prayers for opening prayer from June 23rd,

09:08:24 1947.

09:08:25 Let us pray together.

09:08:27 We thank Thee O Lord that this land is still governed by the

09:08:30 people's representatives, that democratic processes be seen

09:08:34 at their best in this time of testing.

09:08:38 As these chosen men and women discharge their duty, guide

09:08:41 them, O God, in the discussions they must make today.

09:08:45 Give them the grace of humility and shed now your guiding

09:08:50 light into every mind.

09:08:51 Break down every will that is stubbornly said against you or

09:08:55 that has ignored you.

09:08:58 May the sun is be so clearly bright that it needs know

09:09:02 incendiary justification.

09:09:03 Through our smoldering hearts and minds with the spirit of

09:09:06 forgiveness.

09:09:07 Let us be swayed not by emotion or ambition, but by calm

09:09:12 conviction.

09:09:12 This we ask in your holy name.

09:09:14 Amen.

09:09:15 (Pledge of Allegiance)

09:09:34 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Roll call.

09:09:36 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Here.

09:09:39 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Present.

09:09:40 >>FRANK REDDICK: Here.

09:09:41 >>MARY MULHERN: Here.

09:09:42 >>HARRY COHEN: Here.

09:09:43 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Here.

09:09:45 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Here.

09:09:46 Okay.

09:09:47 Mr. Reddick will do item number 1, the presentation of the

09:09:51 commendation for police Officer of the Month.

09:09:53 >>FRANK REDDICK: Good morning, members of the council.

09:10:06 I would like to recognize today our Officer of the Month for

09:10:09 the month of June 2013, master patrol officer Veronica

09:10:15 Hamilton.

09:10:16 Chief?

09:10:16 >> Chief Jane Castor: It's an honor and a privilege for me

09:10:22 to bring Tampa's finest before you.

09:10:24 And this month it's exceedingly wonderful to recognize

09:10:28 Veronica Hamilton who I like to describe as a quiet storm

09:10:33 but before I get into talking about all the wonderful things

09:10:36 that she does, I want to recognize, as you notice, we have

09:10:39 you well protected today, the special incident management

09:10:42 unit.

09:10:43 This is your unit that handles about 800 special events per

09:10:47 year, thanks to your approval of all of those, not to

09:10:51 mention all of the homeland security issues, the

09:10:54 presidential visits, and anything and everything else that

09:10:57 comes up.

09:10:59 And Veronica is one of the many shining stars in that unit

09:11:03 that is headed by the major.

09:11:07 As I said, Veronica is assigned to the special incident

09:11:10 management unit.

09:11:11 She has a myriad of functions in that role.

09:11:15 One of hers is the head representative for the Tampa Police

09:11:18 Department in the emergency operations center.

09:11:21 Whether it's a planned event or any type of an emergency,

09:11:24 Veronica is our voice in the emergency operations center.

09:11:28 She also just recently revised the city's three year

09:11:32 exercise strategy, and in the event we have a hurricane or

09:11:38 any other up planned event in the City of Tampa.

09:11:41 And which is quite a monumental task in itself, that

09:11:47 exercise strategy.

09:11:48 She is the department's liaison spearheading the mayor's

09:11:53 bright light safe nights initiative.

09:11:56 She has made with citizens all over the city.

09:11:58 She has taken close to 150 complaints about lighting, vetted

09:12:02 all those out, worked with TECO to ensure that everyone's

09:12:05 neighborhoods are lit up adequately at night so that they

09:12:08 feel safer.




09:12:09 She also is a member of our crime prevention environmental

09:12:14 design, goes out and does surveys on businesses, on

09:12:18 residents to ensure that the citizens have a sense of

09:12:21 safety, and crime proof their homes and businesses as much

09:12:27 as they can.

09:12:28 She is also one of our critical infrastructure assessment

09:12:32 team, a part of that where they did all of the businesses

09:12:36 prior to the RNC, which was hundreds of businesses and

09:12:40 entered all of that information into a database.

09:12:45 In addition she was part of the team that went out and did

09:12:47 all of the school, updated all of the school survey as well.

09:12:50 So any officer responding to any type of a call at a school

09:12:54 can pull up a map of that school, and all the information

09:12:58 that they need, go to people, layout of the school, who they

09:13:03 need to talk to when they arrive, and that obviously is a

09:13:06 wonderful tool for officers and our response.

09:13:11 She also filled a critical role in this past election cycle

09:13:15 when President Barack Obama visited Ybor City.

09:13:18 I know many of you were down there.

09:13:20 Veronica spearheaded that event.

09:13:22 And you really have no idea how much work and effort goes

09:13:26 into making all of that look flawless, getting everyone in

09:13:30 there and ensuring obviously the safety of the president

09:13:33 while he is in our city.

09:13:36 But most importantly, I think the most important function




09:13:39 that Veronica provides to our department is as a member of

09:13:43 the critical incident stress management team.

09:13:46 And those are the teams that come into the police department

09:13:50 whenever officers have been involved in horrific events,

09:13:53 whether they have been a victim of crime, or they have seen

09:13:57 things that frankly no one should have to see.

09:14:01 And one of the examples is just in the recent past when

09:14:06 officers Curtis and Kocab were killed, Veronica was one of

09:14:10 the individuals that not only helped the officers get

09:14:12 through that, and our community, but she was assigned to the

09:14:15 families.

09:14:15 We assign officers to the families immediately and try to as

09:14:20 best we can guide them down that path that really nobody

09:14:22 should have to take, with their lives are turned upside

09:14:26 down, and make it as easy as you possibly can, handling any

09:14:30 incidents that arise, and really being within 24 hours a

09:14:33 day, seven days a week.

09:14:34 And it doesn't end at the funeral process.

09:14:38 She has stayed with Kelly Curtis and Sarah Kocab through all

09:14:43 of the trials, being the liaison representative between the

09:14:47 court, the various family members, the public, the media,

09:14:51 and the families.

09:14:52 And you always see her in the background.

09:14:54 And all you ever see on her face is a smile.

09:14:57 No matter what you say to Veronica, no matter how inundated




09:15:01 she is, she always says everything is great.

09:15:03 And everything is great because she makes it great.

09:15:05 So it is very, very profound honor for me to say that she is

09:15:13 the Officer of the Month for June 2013.

09:15:16 Congratulations.

09:15:17 [ Applause ]

09:15:25 >>FRANK REDDICK: On behalf of Tampa City Council we would

09:15:35 like to present you this commendation for being chosen

09:15:38 Officer of the Month for June 2013.

09:15:40 We congratulate you.

09:15:50 We have some goodies for you.

09:15:52 >> Chip Deblock with the Tampa PBA here with our partner

09:16:06 Shelby insurance.

09:16:07 >> We would like to present you with a gift card on behalf

09:16:10 of star shield and PBA for outstanding service to the

09:16:14 community.

09:16:14 Thank you very much.

09:16:15 >> Joe Durkin, Bright House networks.

09:16:21 Veronica, congratulations.

09:16:23 From all of us at Bright House, we present you with one

09:16:25 month complimentary video, high speed and services of Bright

09:16:31 House, make your life a little easier.

09:16:33 >> Tampa Theatre.

09:16:41 Thank you for everything you do.

09:16:42 We would like to present you with four tickets to our summer




09:16:45 classic series and annual membership for you and your

09:16:50 family.

09:16:51 Thank you.

09:16:51 >> Tim Johnson, Bill Currie Ford.

09:16:56 On behalf of Bill Currie and the team, we would like to

09:17:00 present you with this watch.

09:17:04 Thank you.

09:17:04 >> Tom MIKAS, Straz Center.

09:17:19 >> Steve Stickley representing Stepps Towing service.

09:17:23 Congratulations, Veronica, on behalf of Jim, Judy and Todd

09:17:27 Stepp.

09:17:27 This is a small token of our appreciation for you for a job

09:17:30 well done.

09:17:31 And I do have to tell you, I spoke to you earlier out here.

09:17:34 My wife wanted to let you know that her being a member of

09:17:40 the crisis team.

09:17:46 Congratulations.

09:17:46 >> And here is your dozen red roses from island flowers of

09:17:54 Ybor City.

09:17:54 We appreciate it.

09:17:55 >> This line of officers is getting so long, it's like

09:18:05 getting through the gauntlet.

09:18:07 I think I want to make sure I give you this stuff before I

09:18:10 take it back with me.

09:18:15 I always leave empty handed, trust me.




09:18:20 What should we start with?

09:18:21 What do you want to do first, eat?

09:18:24 Eating is good.

09:18:25 Okay.

09:18:27 How about Bern's?

09:18:31 Bern's sounds good?

09:18:32 Okay.

09:18:32 Well, we are going to let you go to Bern's and you can take

09:18:35 a friend or you can spend whatever you want up to $100.

09:18:39 How is that?

09:18:41 Enjoy yourself.

09:18:42 Would you like to go to the Mediterranean?

09:18:45 >> I would love it.

09:18:46 >> I would, too, but you can only go to the Mediterranean

09:18:49 cafe.

09:18:50 [ Laughter ]

09:18:51 >> I have no problem with that.

09:18:52 >> It's called Byblos and they are a new sponsor, very proud

09:18:58 of the police officers and what you do for this community,

09:19:00 and they are going to provide you a certificate so that you

09:19:04 can be a guest of Byblos's Mediterranean cafe.

09:19:09 I suggest you get your picture taken before you go to eat.

09:19:13 Prestige photos is going to provide you with a gift package

09:19:15 that you can have your portraits done and go enjoy yourself

09:19:18 there.




09:19:19 So I hope that you enjoy this package here.

09:19:23 Although I can't give you a plane ticket to the

09:19:26 Mediterranean, we'll let you go there for dinner.

09:19:30 Congratulations.

09:19:30 >> Wonderful.

09:19:31 Thank you very much, sir.

09:19:35 Wow.

09:19:36 Well, I want to first thank City Council for this

09:19:39 recognition.

09:19:40 I really appreciate it.

09:19:42 And I want to thank Chief Castor for all the wonderful

09:19:49 things that were written up insofar as my career and some of

09:19:53 the things that I do.

09:19:54 I want to thank Major Hobley-Burney, captain Vazquez, Sgt.

09:20:01 Seale, corporal Owens, and my entire squad.

09:20:05 I couldn't do what I do, and actually none of us could do

09:20:09 what we do if it wasn't for each of us helping each other

09:20:12 working as a team.

09:20:13 So I am very appreciative of this and I have been with the

09:20:18 police department for 23 years, and it has been just an

09:20:22 awesome career.

09:20:23 I have learned a lot.

09:20:25 I have met a lot of wonderful people in the job, and

09:20:29 citizens, and I look forward to doing a number of more years

09:20:32 with the police department.




09:20:34 And I also want to give recognition to my family.

09:20:36 Without their support over the 23 years, none of this would

09:20:40 have been possible.

09:20:41 My daughter is here, Audrianna Brown.

09:20:43 Yesterday, my mother Victoria Hamilton and aunt Yvonne

09:20:47 Williams was at the ceremony at the police station.

09:20:49 My boys Malachia and Travis could not be here today, but

09:20:52 again I thank them for their support.

09:20:55 And again I thank City Council and Chief Castor.

09:20:58 Thank you.

09:20:59 [ Applause ]

09:21:12 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Before you go, officer, chief, there's

09:21:15 one thing or maybe two things you didn't mention in the

09:21:19 accolades there, is that Veronica is a neighbor of mine.

09:21:24 And, you know, she has another role in her vast experience,

09:21:34 and that was to sit on the steering committee for the vision

09:21:37 plan for our neighborhood, and that of university square and

09:21:42 Copeland park.

09:21:43 And throughout that process, I know every time she walked

09:21:46 into the room, everybody who was there was very impressed

09:21:49 that the Tampa Police Department not only serves in their

09:21:53 capacity during their shift hours and during their working

09:21:57 day, but put in the extra hours and the extra time to

09:22:01 participate in their community, and she was, you know, an

09:22:05 active participant.




09:22:07 I know everybody appreciated her guidance and her thoughts

09:22:10 and her participation.

09:22:11 It meant a lot to everybody in the community and means a lot

09:22:15 to me.

09:22:15 Thank you.

09:22:16 >> Thank you, ma'am.

09:22:55 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I invited feeding America Tampa Bay here

09:22:59 because like many of us, I was invited to take a tour of the

09:23:02 facility, and when I got there, I was so impressed by the

09:23:10 operation.

09:23:10 And if you haven't been there, I really suggest that you go

09:23:15 and take a look at the work that they do, the amount of

09:23:19 donations that they have, the staff that they have that's so

09:23:23 dedicated to reaching all of those in our community who may

09:23:28 go without a meal.

09:23:31 On council we talk a lot about those who are less fortunate

09:23:34 than ourselves.

09:23:35 We talk a lot about the homeless individuals and affordable

09:23:39 housing and all of those issues.

09:23:43 But I don't know that we realize how many people in our

09:23:46 community are actually going hungry because they have to

09:23:49 make a choice, especially in the downturn of the economy

09:23:53 that we have experienced over the several years of paying

09:23:55 the mortgage or going to the supermarket and filling up

09:23:59 their refrigerator and it's just a wonderful operation.




09:24:03 So I would like for them to explain to our viewing audience

09:24:09 and those in the room exactly what feeding Tampa Bay is.

09:24:12 >> Thank you very much, Councilman Montelione.

09:24:16 We appreciate you inviting us here today.

09:24:18 Thank you to the council for giving us time.

09:24:19 My name is Thomas Mantz with feeding Tampa Bay.

09:24:26 I have two of my colleagues here today.

09:24:27 With council's consent we have a handout for you all to

09:24:30 follow.

09:24:31 May we approach?

09:24:42 So as the Councilwoman mentioned, feeding America Tampa Bay

09:24:46 is the largest food relief organization in the Tampa Bay

09:24:49 community.

09:24:50 We cover actually ten counties.

09:24:53 And so what that means to us is -- and to the community is

09:24:59 that over the course of the last year, we distributed over

09:25:03 35 million pounds of food, which translates roughly to 30

09:25:07 million meals.

09:25:08 If you look at the last four years alone and what we have

09:25:11 done in the community as we have provided over 100 million

09:25:15 meals to the ten-county area.

09:25:18 Our role in the community really is quite simple, and that

09:25:21 is we are the backbone of all emergency food relief that

09:25:24 occurs here.

09:25:25 So anybody that needs a meal, our goal is to make sure that




09:25:29 they get a meal.

09:25:32 So if you look at what we do and how we do it, we thought it

09:25:35 would be best to give you a sense today, a brief overview of

09:25:40 how we go about our mission.

09:25:41 And my colleague Ashton will start that for us.

09:25:44 >> Good morning, council.

09:25:45 >> If you look at page 2 of the handout.

09:25:52 >> Ashton: Yes.

09:25:54 Sorry.

09:25:56 We work in a very unique way.

09:25:58 We work with over 600 different grocery stores in the Tampa

09:26:01 area.

09:26:02 And that includes Publix, Sweetbays, win Dixie, target,

09:26:06 Sam's club, WalMart are all great partners of us.

09:26:10 We also have committee parts who do food drives for us and

09:26:13 we depend a lot on farmers in the area.

09:26:16 All of that comes to the Tampa faux silt.

09:26:23 So we were sorting things that day as well.

09:26:30 We have over 72,000 hours of volunteer service each year.

09:26:34 And last year when we had about 20,000 people come through

09:26:39 the facility to help ensure that we had food to give to our

09:26:42 neighbors in need.

09:26:43 So after all the donations are sorted they are distributed

09:26:47 to agencies.

09:26:48 These are our chart partners.




09:26:49 There's over 600 of them.

09:26:51 So she can talk a little about that.

09:26:58 >> Good morning.

09:27:00 Across the ten counties that we serve, we have over 600

09:27:04 partner charities that operate some sort of a feeding

09:27:07 program.

09:27:07 And right here in the City of Tampa, there's over 100 of

09:27:10 these organizations.

09:27:12 These are soup kitchens, residential facilities, food

09:27:15 pantries at churches and programs.

09:27:19 The partner agency network is a very efficient way of

09:27:23 distributing food to those in need, and it is our main means

09:27:27 of getting food out into the community.

09:27:29 We make sure to provide the resources to all of our

09:27:32 partners, to ensure that the people who are feeding others

09:27:36 have all their resources.

09:27:38 If you go to the next slide it will show you what is going

09:27:42 on in Tampa today as far as hunger.

09:27:45 There is over 19,000 children today in the City of Tampa.

09:27:50 >> There are over 19,000 children in Tampa today who are

09:27:58 hungry, and the better way to look at that number is that

09:28:01 one in four children in our community today are hungry.

09:28:05 And when we use this statistic and tell people about this,

09:28:08 often you can get caught up in numbers and they can suggest

09:28:12 that it's too dry.




09:28:13 But when you think about one in every four children in Tampa

09:28:16 today does not know where their next meal is coming from,

09:28:19 that's a pretty staggering number, and a number that we

09:28:22 would consider in many ways epidemic.

09:28:24 >> Sorry.

09:28:26 I work with these families and children, so really when I

09:28:29 talk about it, it comes from my heart.

09:28:35 >> Should I keep going?

09:28:36 >> No.

09:28:37 [ Laughter ] sorry.

09:28:38 >> So in addition to that, when you look at those that we

09:28:42 serve, one in seven adults in our community today are

09:28:45 hungry, statistically speaking.

09:28:48 When you look at seniors, the fastest growing part of our

09:28:51 population are folks who are of retirement age, economics

09:28:56 everybody stretched such that they receive no increase in

09:28:59 their ongoing fiscal capabilities, yet prices have continued

09:29:02 to rise.

09:29:03 And so we see significant elevation in that community, and

09:29:06 seniors are having to choose between medicine and foods.

09:29:10 And then you look at the other population which is families.

09:29:15 Over 90% of what we give, probably almost 93% of what we

09:29:20 give out goes to people with jobs and with a home.

09:29:23 And that's an important distinction, because the greatest

09:29:26 rise of all of our numbers has been in the suburban




09:29:29 community.

09:29:29 When you look at our mission we serve those in the urban

09:29:32 community, those in the suburban community and those in the

09:29:35 rural community.

09:29:36 But the fastest growing and most significant increase has

09:29:40 been people in the suburban area.

09:29:42 Which really leads us to probably, in many ways, our fund

09:29:48 ital responsibility here, which is the last slide of your

09:29:53 presentation.

09:29:55 You look at what our core belief is of feeding America Tampa

09:29:58 Bay.

09:29:59 We have the fundamental belief that no one should go hungry.

09:30:02 And we have had this conversation with both Councilwoman

09:30:04 Montelione and of course Councilman Suarez.

09:30:09 And that sounds like an aspirational statement.

09:30:11 It is an aspirational statement.

09:30:13 But it's also a critically important statement.

09:30:16 Everything that we do is geared around figuring out how we

09:30:18 can get more meals to our constituent partners in the

09:30:21 community and then in turn make sure that someone has a meal

09:30:26 on their table today.

09:30:27 As I often would note, virtually everybody in this room

09:30:29 probably knows where their next meal are coming from.

09:30:33 If you have been in a circumstance where you don't, we as a

09:30:35 community perhaps have an obligation, a responsibility or




09:30:39 opportunity to change that equation.

09:30:43 So why are we here today?

09:30:45 Well, one is to create awareness about what it is that we do

09:30:49 as an organization so that you are aware that were we not

09:30:54 here today 100 million meals wouldn't be in the community.

09:31:01 The next thing we ask for is your advocacy, two great

09:31:05 partners on the end of the dais there have been supportive

09:31:08 and helpful, but we certainly seek that of not only City

09:31:11 Council but the city as well.

09:31:13 And that would be the last part, is that perhaps there are

09:31:16 opportunities for us, our responsibilities far exceed our

09:31:20 capabilities, our resources.

09:31:23 We have been distributing food as quickly and as much as we

09:31:26 can and collecting it as often as we can.

09:31:28 But our responsibilities that are ahead of where our

09:31:33 resources are.

09:31:34 So to the extent there are resources in the community that

09:31:36 are available to us we certainly would like to understand

09:31:39 what those are.

09:31:40 And then finally, I would say that we are a proud member of

09:31:43 the City of Tampa and of the ten-county community.

09:31:45 We carefully consider our responsibilities to you, to the

09:31:51 community, and to those that we serve, and we are grateful

09:31:54 for the opportunity to do that.

09:31:55 And we are thankful to be able to present to you today.




09:31:59 I don't know if there's time for questions.

09:32:01 I don't know if it's within our time frame.

09:32:05 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Ms. Mulhern and Ms. Montelione and Mr.

09:32:07 Suarez.

09:32:07 >>MARY MULHERN: Thank you for the heartfelt and brief and

09:32:14 to the point presentation.

09:32:15 It was awesome.

09:32:17 You gave us all the numbers and all the detail that we

09:32:20 needed.

09:32:21 And I was going to ask you where you are located.

09:32:24 I see your address but I am not sure where that is.

09:32:27 Can you tell me?

09:32:28 >> We are at the nexus of virtually every single railroad

09:32:31 track in the City of Tampa.

09:32:32 [ Laughter ] we are at Adamo and 50th street, right in

09:32:36 that warehousing facility.

09:32:38 >>MARY MULHERN: I think you might get a lot more visitors

09:32:42 from up here on the dais.

09:32:45 >> We would love to have you come by at any time that's

09:32:48 convenient.

09:32:48 >> Thank you for what you are doing.

09:32:50 And I guess my other question for you is specifically, as

09:32:54 City Council, policywise, other than advocacy, is there

09:32:59 anything that you can ask of us?

09:33:01 >> Well, I don't think -- yes, of course.




09:33:04 I don't think that advocacy is a small matter to ask for.

09:33:07 You know, what we look at the hunger numbers in our

09:33:10 community, they are epidemic.

09:33:13 And if you would just follow the path that a child takes

09:33:16 through to adulthood and the finest that we just honored,

09:33:21 they are dealing with the aftermath of children that weren't

09:33:24 properly fed and weren't properly schooled and weren't

09:33:27 properly, you know, availabilities of those resources

09:33:30 weren't there for them.

09:33:31 And so the long-term outcome of what we do is critical.

09:33:35 And so advocacy and awareness are huge issues.

09:33:38 As I often say to folks, we need people to plant a flag in

09:33:42 the ground and say we aren't going to live in the community

09:33:44 where folks are hungry at this level.

09:33:46 So that's not a small thing that we are asking.

09:33:49 The second thing that we are asking is perhaps in different

09:33:52 opportunities, perhaps in your own particular constituency

09:33:56 you know folks that can help us.

09:33:58 Maybe theory food distributors.

09:33:59 Maybe they are folks in need.

09:34:01 And then throughout the city process, obviously there may or

09:34:05 may not be funding opportunities for us to participate in

09:34:11 grants or other funding abilities that allow us to get more

09:34:14 food into the community.

09:34:16 We are a nonprofit organization.




09:34:17 We raise all of our own money in order to operate in the

09:34:20 community.

09:34:20 So to the extent that you have control of and capabilities

09:34:24 to assist us with that, we would appreciate that as well.

09:34:26 >> And I just want to say that one thing that strikes me and

09:34:32 that I can understand why you couldn't finish your

09:34:34 presentation, I have a son who is 13 who has no idea that so

09:34:43 many of his schoolmates, friends, are in this kind of

09:34:49 situation.

09:34:50 So I'm personally going to work on him and his friends and

09:34:55 the parents I know who are lucky enough not to have to worry

09:34:57 about this, to be more aware of that, maybe bring that

09:35:00 awareness to the school and to the children, because the

09:35:03 children will feel that empathy and get their parents to be

09:35:07 more involved.

09:35:08 >> And that's a terrific connection point.

09:35:10 Terrific opportunity.

09:35:11 We would appreciate that.

09:35:14 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Mrs. Montelione, Mr. Suarez, Ms. Capin.

09:35:16 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Thank you.

09:35:18 I want to echo what Councilman Mulhern said, it's a

09:35:26 testament to your staff and how caring, because as many of

09:35:29 us know working in a nonprofit world doesn't bring some of

09:35:32 the financial gains that other professions have.

09:35:36 You really have to be invested in the work that you do and




09:35:40 see that the payback is not in dollars, but it is in those

09:35:46 that you help and serve.

09:35:48 So thank you for the work that you do and for really being a

09:35:53 heartfelt participant in helping our community.

09:35:57 Again, after hearing Councilwoman Mulhern, there was some

09:36:05 talk about distributing food where there is already a

09:36:08 critical mass of people.

09:36:10 So we had talked a little bit about distributing food and

09:36:16 having the service available in our Parks Department, where,

09:36:21 you know, we have hundreds, I would say, maybe even hundreds

09:36:25 of thousands of people coming through both children and

09:36:28 adults.

09:36:29 So is that something that would be helpful?

09:36:33 Or is it already in process?

09:36:37 How is that coming along?

09:36:39 >> Yes, definitely.

09:36:40 We already partner with certain Boys and Girls Clubs in

09:36:43 other facilities like that.

09:36:44 And some of our partners are in community centers that work

09:36:49 directly with certain parts of parks and rec as well, but it

09:36:54 definitely would be helpful to spread out the food.

09:36:57 We have a lot of other churches and food pantries and soup

09:36:59 kitchens that are maybe right next to a parks and rec

09:37:03 department.

09:37:03 So again advocacy is very important so we could provide




09:37:06 those parks and recs departments with lists of organizations

09:37:11 that are maybe next door, down the block, so they wouldn't

09:37:14 have to take on an actual food pantry at that location.

09:37:16 >> That would be great.

09:37:17 So maybe we can maybe those connections.

09:37:20 And that was just something that I wanted to follow up on

09:37:24 and ask you about.

09:37:25 And also I want to make sure, I know Mr. Suarez and Mrs.

09:37:29 Capin wants to speak but I want to be sure before you go off

09:37:32 camera that you give your e-mail address, phone number, Web

09:37:35 site, whatever is the best contact point for you.

09:37:38 >> Yes.

09:37:40 Our Web site is on your handout, but for the purposes of the

09:37:44 video, it is feeding America Tampa Bay DOT organize.

09:37:51 That's all one long word.

09:37:53 Feeding America Tampa Bay.org.

09:37:56 813-254-1190.

09:37:59 So through both of us you can get to the three of us as well

09:38:02 as all of our colleagues.

09:38:05 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Mr. Suarez?

09:38:06 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I did get a chance to visit Tom and feeding

09:38:12 America Tampa Bay.

09:38:13 And first I had lunch with Tom at one point.

09:38:16 And there's nobody has a biography quite as unique as Tom.

09:38:21 If you ever get a chance to talk to him about some of the




09:38:23 things that he's worked on and done, you should.

09:38:25 But secondly, part of our conversation -- and I didn't even

09:38:29 realize this until the very moment that we were talking was

09:38:32 that my father and his family were probably hungry most of

09:38:37 the time that they were growing up.

09:38:38 And I didn't realize until little things came to my memory

09:38:42 from his childhood, which is how thin they were.

09:38:47 And some of the pictures that we saw, and living in a house

09:38:50 with over 12 people in a three bedroom home, you know, the

09:38:53 idea that -- the amount of food that was there was probably

09:38:57 less than adequate to provide the kind of nutrition

09:38:59 necessary for growing boys.

09:39:01 So what they are trying to do and what they have been able

09:39:04 to do is no way short of a miracle in terms of connecting

09:39:10 all those distributors, all those grocery stores, and when

09:39:13 you go to their facility to see them sorting through food,

09:39:16 it is a well oiled machine.

09:39:19 It is very efficient and very effective operation.

09:39:21 So I urge my colleagues to go out and see them because it is

09:39:28 something to behold.

09:39:29 Secondly, Tom is one of the few people that I know of that

09:39:32 are in the nonprofit world that are just as energetic and

09:39:35 enthusiastic about this mission as they are about living

09:39:39 here in Tampa Bay.

09:39:42 Previously he was in Jacksonville and he can't help but




09:39:45 smile every day that he's down here.

09:39:47 Nothing against Jacksonville.

09:39:48 But we know that Tampa is a much better place to live.

09:39:50 So thank you, Tom.

09:39:52 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Ms. Capin?

09:39:56 >>YVONNE CAPIN: A wonderful presentation, very informative

09:39:59 and to the point.

09:40:00 And I notice here that the feeding Tampa Bay is part of it.

09:40:09 I served on that board for three or four years.

09:40:12 Also, yes, come from a family that when you spoke about

09:40:16 that, I never understood growing up why my father insisted,

09:40:21 our pantries were always bulging.

09:40:26 And from being raised in the 50s and 60s, the abundance

09:40:30 of America, it took me into my 30s before I realized what

09:40:36 the motive behind it, the reason behind it, and he was one

09:40:39 of eight, and at nine years old he attributes that he had to

09:40:46 keep these wonderful teeth and so strong because at nine

09:40:49 years old he went to Florida dairy delivering milk in the

09:40:52 neighborhood.

09:40:53 And of course he would be able to drink all the milk he

09:40:55 could possibly hold in his tummy.

09:40:58 So, yes, that is important.

09:41:01 We don't want that now.

09:41:02 We don't want children nine years old to be having to leave

09:41:07 school -- or not be able to study as well because they are




09:41:09 out there working.

09:41:11 And that's what happened back then.

09:41:13 I also want to bring up an article that I saved from

09:41:17 September 1, 2012, and the food banks are hurting.

09:41:23 And I say this -- and I hope that -- and I'm sure that the

09:41:32 community came through, or is coming through -- maybe not as

09:41:39 much -- obviously not as much as we need to -- you need to

09:41:43 get your job done.

09:41:44 One other thing I noticed here was were vitamins and pet

09:41:49 food, couldn't didn't what's being thrown out.

09:41:55 Did anything change because of this article?

09:41:58 >> Well, I want to address two points.

09:42:00 And you probably are aware of this.

09:42:02 But to the larger point that you are making about the

09:42:04 broader need in the community, and our ability to support

09:42:07 it, everybody of course heard a story about the farm bill

09:42:10 and how that will affect communities.

09:42:12 I want to point out to the community and to the City Council

09:42:14 here, it will affect our community in two ways.

09:42:18 The farm bill, of course, offered through governmental

09:42:22 assistance food into the community, and there's a chance

09:42:25 that we redistribute that food.

09:42:26 There's a chance that that will be cut.

09:42:28 Secondarily when you hear the essential cuts that are that

09:42:32 are to food stamps, and they are looking at a 50% cut.




09:42:37 When you look at the numbers of people that will have to

09:42:40 seek food assistance back in food banks, across the United

09:42:43 States it's estimated some 8 billion meals will be lost if

09:42:46 those cuts are enacted.

09:42:48 So all food banks, if you are to talk to the folks on that

09:42:52 list as well as us, the numbers will become even more

09:42:55 staggering than they are today.

09:42:56 Because a lot of folks are doing that.

09:42:59 I might point out again the City Council, of course, it's

09:43:02 important to you, that will also represent a loss of dollars

09:43:04 into the community at the local grocers that would normally

09:43:08 take in those food stamps as a resource.

09:43:10 So the need is still there and it grows.

09:43:14 Relative to the community's response, one of the things that

09:43:16 we joke about -- I'm sorry?

09:43:21 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Because of what you just said, is that maybe

09:43:24 something that we want to send to our legislative

09:43:31 delegation?

09:43:33 >> We would be most appreciative.

09:43:38 We would be most appreciative.

09:43:39 It will significantly challenge all of our communities

09:43:42 significantly.

09:43:44 And so the other part of what you are asking is relative to

09:43:48 resource in the community.

09:43:50 We think we are the best kept secret in Tampa because we




09:43:55 supply food to folks that supply food.

09:43:57 But as mentioned, we are working hard.

09:44:00 Why we are here today is we are working hard to make sure

09:44:03 that folks understand what our mission is and our

09:44:05 responsibilities are within the community as well.

09:44:07 And that's why we are here also.

09:44:10 So we have seen greater support.

09:44:15 We will see greater support.

09:44:16 And finally to your two specific questions, though we say we

09:44:19 don't handle dog food and pet food the reality is we move

09:44:22 that along and we get it to folks that need it.

09:44:25 Most all of your pets are taken care of by Purina, your

09:44:28 larger varieties, but some of the smaller agencies are not.

09:44:31 And then vitamins and any medicines we have to destroy

09:44:34 simply because of the responsibilities.

09:44:37 The donors aren't supposed to give them to us but sometimes

09:44:41 they slip through because you can imagine the

09:44:43 responsibilities that could happen if somebody misdosed a

09:44:47 particular item.

09:44:49 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I understand.

09:44:50 I just thought vitamins, considering -- but I understand.

09:44:56 Yes.

09:44:57 And as far as the pet foods, because 80% of our constituents

09:45:03 own pets.

09:45:03 And people who don't -- some people that live in their cars




09:45:09 have their pet with them.

09:45:10 >> We are aware of.

09:45:12 That so do move that back out.

09:45:15 >>YVONNE CAPIN: You know, there is the Humane Society of

09:45:18 Tampa.

09:45:19 They have a food distribution that might be able to help to

09:45:22 get the food to the people that need it.

09:45:26 Anyway, thank you so much for your presentation.

09:45:36 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: One second.

09:45:37 Mr. Cohen?

09:45:38 >>HARRY COHEN: Thank you very much.

09:45:39 I just want to start out by saying I know how much we

09:45:42 appreciate and value the important work that you are doing.

09:45:47 I just want to tell one very quick story that sort of, I

09:45:52 think, demonstrates how close to home this problem really

09:45:55 is.

09:45:58 As most of you all know, I work two blocks from here at the

09:46:03 clerk of the circuit court, and about nine months ago the

09:46:05 clerk, pat Frank, decided to start a food pantry in the

09:46:10 office as a way of just allowing people to come in without,

09:46:19 you know, whatever and just get food if they needed it.

09:46:22 And no one was really sure whether this was something that

09:46:25 was needed or not, whether it was work, whether it would

09:46:29 just become, you know, a supply closet.

09:46:34 But what's happened is that it has been used.




09:46:39 It's not been abused.

09:46:40 And the reality is that food like peanut butter and tuna

09:46:45 fish and tomato sauce, and the real staples, canned

09:46:50 vegetables, we have just been unable to keep the food in the

09:46:55 closet, the need for it is so obvious and so large.

09:46:59 And remember we are talking here about people who are

09:47:02 working.

09:47:03 And, you know, it's been my observation that a person gets

09:47:08 paid, and they pay their rent and their electric bill and

09:47:11 fix the car and all of the expenses get paid, and then

09:47:15 there's literally nothing left over.

09:47:17 What's the last thing that's bought is food.

09:47:23 And to the degree that people may not be homeless, may be

09:47:29 going about their daily lives working, functioning in the

09:47:32 community, but running out at the end of the day, food is, I

09:47:37 think, the first thing that goes.

09:47:39 And I would just encourage everyone to realize that the

09:47:44 problem isn't necessarily out there somewhere, it's all

09:47:47 among us in the people that we know and are dealing with

09:47:51 every day.

09:47:52 So thank you for again very much for your work.

09:47:59 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Ms. Capin?

09:48:03 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Actually, Mrs. Montelione, if you would like

09:48:06 to make that motion since it's your --

09:48:09 >>LISA MONTELIONE: No, thank you.




09:48:11 You go right ahead.

09:48:12 I appreciate the thought, though.

09:48:16 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I also sit on the advisory board of the

09:48:18 Humane Society of Tampa.

09:48:19 But if you should need any -- I'm sure you already do, but I

09:48:24 would be happy to.

09:48:26 I would like to move that we, City Council, a resolution to

09:48:32 send a letter of -- that our city -- our City Council

09:48:40 attorney draw up a letter that we send to our delegation,

09:48:44 our Tampa delegation on the farm bill, our concerns on the

09:48:49 farm bill, and the food stamp reduction.

09:48:53 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Second.

09:48:55 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion by Mrs. Capin, second by

09:48:57 Mrs. Montelione.

09:48:59 Yes, sir?

09:48:59 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Clarification you use the term resolution

09:49:02 or letter.

09:49:03 Which is it?

09:49:04 What do you prefer?

09:49:06 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Resolution.

09:49:07 >>MARTIN SHELBY: With a cover letter?

09:49:09 Or just a resolution to pass?

09:49:12 Council can do it individually if you wish.

09:49:15 Thank you.

09:49:15 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: All in favor?




09:49:17 Opposed?

09:49:18 The ayes have it.

09:49:20 Thank you very much for peering.

09:49:21 Mr. Cohen?

09:49:22 >>HARRY COHEN: I just wanted to say briefly, I literally

09:49:25 just got this e-mail while I was sitting here.

09:49:29 Metropolitan Ministries just sent out something reminding

09:49:30 everyone that no school lunch puts a burden on struggling

09:49:37 family and this problem is worse during the summer because

09:49:39 kids are not getting that one extra and sometimes two extra

09:49:42 meals a day that they would normally get at school so let's

09:49:45 all keep that in mind as well.

09:49:47 Thank you.

09:49:48 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.

09:49:48 I am going to yield to Mr. Suarez.

09:49:52 He has a surprise visitor.

09:49:54 He's going to be a council member in not too many years,

09:49:56 maybe by the next election.

09:49:58 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you, chair.

09:49:59 Come on up here, Cameron Barnes.

09:50:02 He is an outgoing fourth grader, incoming fifth grader at

09:50:06 McMullen park elementary school.

09:50:09 Miss Wanda Vincent was his teacher.

09:50:12 He's on council for the day and he had a few suggestions for

09:50:16 us, and very good suggestions.




09:50:18 Here are some of the things that he wanted us to do.

09:50:20 He wants more green space.

09:50:22 More signs.

09:50:23 More bike lanes.

09:50:25 More kid-friendly spaces.

09:50:28 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Mr. Suarez, could I have the mother come

09:50:30 up?

09:50:30 She's taking pictures 500 yards away.

09:50:32 >> Yes, come on up.

09:50:37 We aren't going to bite you, believe me.

09:50:39 And he wants more solar powered objects.

09:50:42 He's interested in government.

09:50:45 He wanted to find out more about municipal government.

09:50:48 Do you have anything to say to council today?

09:50:50 And believe me, don't take our examples so be short, okay?

09:50:54 >> I really don't have anything to say, really, that much.

09:51:00 >> You are very welcome to be on this council then, believe

09:51:02 me.

09:51:03 [ Laughter ]

09:51:08 Cameron, thank you for being here.

09:51:10 And McMullen park is one of the better schools out there.

09:51:17 My two sons, one that graduated -- actually the second one

09:51:21 finished second grade, a wonderful elementary school for

09:51:24 those folks that might want to check it out and is part of

09:51:27 our public school system.




09:51:28 Thank you, Cameron.

09:51:30 We appreciate you being here.

09:51:32 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Also, Mr. Reddick has a very, very

09:51:34 special guest in the audience.

09:51:35 >>FRANK REDDICK: Thank you, Mr. Chair.

09:51:37 And I hope everyone takes his lead for the from the young

09:51:40 man.

09:51:42 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: In today's meeting.

09:51:43 >>FRANK REDDICK: That's correct.

09:51:48 It's an honor for the mayor and the city and all those

09:51:51 watching today to have before us a celebrity that in 2012 he

09:51:58 was one of the top ten finalists for the American idol.

09:52:02 And after how we operate -- but I am honored to introduce

09:52:17 the top ten of the 2012 Deandre.

09:52:21 Congratulations.

09:52:22 [ Applause ]

09:52:27 >> Thank you, Councilman.

09:52:32 I will keep it short.

09:52:33 I know we have a long day.

09:52:35 My name is Deandre.

09:52:36 I was a finalist on season 11, top ten finalist.

09:52:41 And want to thank the city.

09:52:43 Oh, I am here to promote my new singles "stir crazy."

09:52:49 And I want to thank the City of Tampa for letting me have my

09:52:54 first, I guess, like singles tour here.




09:52:57 Tampa is one of my favorite cities on the tour.

09:53:00 So wanted to come here and say thank you.

09:53:02 I love the environment.

09:53:03 I love this town, the people, and how you guys really just

09:53:08 care for each other.

09:53:09 So I wanted to make this my first stop.

09:53:11 So I want to say thank you and you all are doing a good job.

09:53:14 Thank you.

09:53:16 [ Applause ]

09:53:17 >> Deondre, would you give us a predated version of your new

09:53:31 song?

09:53:33 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: It goes like this ...

09:53:35 >> Oh.

09:53:37 What, you want me to sing?

09:53:39 >> Yes, a couple bars.

09:53:40 >>FRANK REDDICK: If you are not prepared for today, we

09:53:44 understand.

09:53:44 >> ¶¶ [Singing]

09:53:51 [ Applause ]

09:54:08 >> All right.

09:54:09 Thank you.

09:54:10 I appreciate it.

09:54:11 Thanks.

09:54:15 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: All right.

09:54:18 Item number 3, Jake Slater.




09:54:21 is anyone from that department here?

09:54:33 Assistant attorney Ernest Mueller?

09:54:39 Item 3.

09:54:53 I hope you ain't gonna sing.

09:54:57 [ Laughter ] if you three are, we are leaving.

09:55:06 [ Laughter ] item 3.

09:55:20 >>JAKE SLATER: Neighborhood services department.

09:55:22 Nice to be here this morning.

09:55:23 >>FRANK REDDICK: Thank you, Mr. Slater.

09:55:25 And chair, I wanted to invite Mr. Slater and Mr. Mueller to

09:55:33 be here, and I want to show you the reason why I want them

09:55:37 to be here, because we seem to have an ongoing problem at a

09:55:41 particular property in East Tampa.

09:55:45 It's been going on for over seven years.

09:55:47 And for the last two years that I have served on this

09:55:50 council, I have monitored this process, and it continues to

09:55:53 go on and on.

09:55:54 So I'm trying to get as to why this problem continues to go

09:55:59 on.

09:56:00 And the first slide, 2012.

09:56:05 I am going start back in 2012.

09:56:08 The first slide.

09:56:09 This is in a residential community.

09:56:20 This is in a residential community.

09:56:22 This is November 13, 2012.




09:56:28 These people have been cited for code enforcement in 2012.

09:56:32 And I want to move forward to 2013 and show you it's still

09:56:36 going on.

09:56:39 The next slide.

09:56:41 That's 2012.

09:56:46 The next one.

09:56:52 The next one.

09:56:59 Okay.

09:57:21 Is that it?

09:57:29 That person has been cited more than one time, three times,

09:57:32 four times, five times, fined, but here is the problem.

09:57:47 Somehow, with the processes that are going on, code

09:57:53 enforcement has continued to allow this property owner to

09:57:59 receive continuation for two years.

09:58:05 I have been on this council.

09:58:06 I attended one of the code enforcement hearings.

09:58:09 And the moment that person walked in that door, they stand

09:58:13 before a hearing officer, and it seemed like an agreement

09:58:17 had already been reached that they are going to have 30 or

09:58:20 60 more days continuation.

09:58:23 Now, I don't know what's going on between code enforcement.

09:58:28 I don't know what's going on between the legal department

09:58:32 that's allowing this to continue going on.

09:58:35 And the thing that bothers me, there is no objection about

09:58:40 this continuance for 30 days or 60 days by the code




09:58:43 enforcement.

09:58:44 And these are code enforcement officers out here citing all

09:58:47 these people.

09:58:50 And there's no objection from the legal department for over

09:58:54 seven years it's been going on.

09:58:56 No improvement has been made.

09:59:01 But keep giving a continuation, continuation.

09:59:03 I don't think anybody on this council, in a residential

09:59:08 community, wants to live in that community and, I mean,

09:59:14 there's a picture out there.

09:59:19 What they got, they are allowing this to happen.

09:59:25 And I'm here today to ask why.

09:59:30 Because I cannot see and understand that the legal

09:59:35 department and the representative who serves at the code

09:59:41 enforcement for the legal department representative, allows

09:59:46 these continuations.

09:59:47 At the last public hearing they had, they could not have the

09:59:50 hearing because the hearing officer had a conflict of

09:59:58 interest, had a relationship with the homeowner.

10:00:00 I mean, this is foolishness.

10:00:03 And it needs to stop.

10:00:06 I mean, these people -- and, Mr. Chair, I hope we can give

10:00:11 the residents of that community an opportunity to express

10:00:14 their frustration who are here today, because we need some

10:00:19 answers.




10:00:20 And I'm sick and tired of seeing this.

10:00:24 I drive by it every day.

10:00:26 And I'm sick and tired that the people that are supposed to

10:00:32 protect the citizens of this community allow this to

10:00:34 continue to happen and continue to go on, and it's a shame,

10:00:37 and it's a disgrace to those residents, that we are allowing

10:00:43 this to go on.

10:00:45 And it's been going on for a couple of years.

10:00:49 But it's again been going on while I have been on council

10:00:53 and it's going on now.

10:00:54 So somebody needs to give us some answers, and we need to

10:00:58 see how we are going to resolve this issue, because this

10:01:00 person should not have the right to be in a residential

10:01:05 community with all this junk sitting on the corner property

10:01:10 and disrespecting the residents, and the city is overlooking

10:01:14 it.

10:01:15 And the officers citing these people, citing this owner.

10:01:22 So when it comes time to take action, they turn their heads.

10:01:26 And that shouldn't go on.

10:01:28 So, Mr. Chair, if the residents are here, that live on that

10:01:35 street, who live next to the property, if they are inclined

10:01:39 to speak, they are frustrated.

10:01:42 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: As I read this, items 1 through 3 is

10:01:45 public comment for three minutes each.

10:01:47 As soon as they finish this they are certainly entitled to




10:01:49 speak for three minutes each, once this is complete. So

10:01:52 let's see what they have in the file, and we'll go over it.

10:01:55 Yes, sir.

10:01:55 >> Public comment first?

10:02:01 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: No.

10:02:01 They can't comment on something they haven't heard.

10:02:08 >>THOM SNELLING: Director of planning and development.

10:02:09 Good morning, council.

10:02:15 This problem with this property goes back further than what

10:02:17 you stated, Councilman Reddick.

10:02:19 This goes all the way back to an operation called pallets

10:02:30 was there, and we went after that property owner and

10:02:31 business and were finally successful in getting him to take

10:02:33 down -- he was flat illegal, and because the operation he

10:02:38 was doing was the pallet company, to get that done and get

10:02:43 out of there.

10:02:46 Mr. Kass, Spencer Kass purchased the property I think in

10:02:49 2007, 2008, and had a couple of different operations there,

10:02:52 and I think what he's got now is a truck repair, semi repair

10:02:58 thing.

10:02:58 The pictures you look at, none of that is in compliance.

10:03:01 That's trash and debris and stuff like that, that he has to

10:03:05 keep that clean.

10:03:07 The process we are in now to get him towards compliance, he

10:03:13 has a July 15th deadline where he has to submit a




10:03:15 complete site plan showing all of the site regulations that

10:03:20 have to be met.

10:03:21 You have to remember that this property is zoned commercial

10:03:23 intensive.

10:03:26 Operative word being on the intensive part.

10:03:29 The zoning has been around 30 years, 40 years, for a very

10:03:34 long time.

10:03:35 A lot of the property on the north and south side of

10:03:38 Hillsborough Avenue, is zoned CI.

10:03:42 So this is not an isolated type of zoning.

10:03:44 And unfortunately this lot is fairly deep and it does, as

10:03:47 you say, go back into immediately adjacent to some

10:03:50 neighborhood residents, single-family houses to the south as

10:03:54 well as to the west, I believe, across the street and across

10:03:57 37th street.

10:03:58 So what we have done, you know, we have met with the

10:04:03 applicant, or the property owner, and on July 15th, he

10:04:10 has to turn in a site plan that shows compliance.

10:04:13 And then there's a series of deadlines and triggering

10:04:15 mechanisms throughout that course, end up being in

10:04:19 compliance hopefully by the end of the year, sometime in the

10:04:23 beginning of the year, and there are a number of deadlines

10:04:26 carved out along the way, if he misses a single deadline

10:04:29 then we immediately go to fining the property and it becomes

10:04:33 subject to fines.




10:04:34 That's where we are right now.

10:04:37 We understand the frustration.

10:04:38 And I know the neighbors have put up with that for a

10:04:40 lifetime, it seems.

10:04:43 But we are working to have the variety of uses that he's

10:04:49 allowed to have brought into full compliance, which would

10:04:54 include the buffering and the mitigation, and the setback

10:04:57 requirements and the parking and the access, everything

10:04:59 that's supposed to be complying in chapter 27 site plan

10:05:04 regulations.

10:05:05 That's where we are in the enforcement process or in the

10:05:08 process of getting this property in compliance.

10:05:11 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Mr. Slater, you said that they have a list

10:05:17 that they have by July 15th, that they have to be in

10:05:20 compliance, or exactly what is required?

10:05:25 What are you required to do by July 15th?

10:05:30 >>THOM SNELLING: It says by July 15, 2013, a property owner

10:05:33 shall submit a complete commercial site plan permit

10:05:36 application, engineered construction drawing, to the

10:05:41 services division for staff approval.

10:05:43 And then the staff approval, we typically have a 14-day

10:05:47 turnaround to bring it into compliance.

10:05:49 If it is in compliance he will try to pull commercial

10:05:56 permits no later than August 26.

10:05:58 Then he has another 14 days to begin construction, September




10:06:01 9th.

10:06:02 And then there's a phasing, as he's developing the parking

10:06:05 spaces, the truck spaces, pave the drive aisles, retention

10:06:10 pond, and then he has to call for regular inspections no

10:06:13 later than October 12.

10:06:14 And after that, then goes to landscaping and planning and

10:06:18 all the irrigation systems be completed and inspection

10:06:22 within 75 days of the issuance of the permit and that will

10:06:25 be November 11th.

10:06:29 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Okay, I heard the list.

10:06:30 There's no fencing requirement on the residential?

10:06:33 >>THOM SNELLING: Yes, there will be fencing.

10:06:35 That will be part of the site plan requirement.

10:06:38 For the landscaping and buffering, that's come -- that part

10:06:41 of it, yes, ma'am.

10:06:49 >>THOM SNELLING: That he try to keep the property in neat

10:06:51 and clean fashion.

10:06:51 Obviously the pictures show on these days he was not.

10:06:55 We have chased after the property owner.

10:06:57 And he will clean up for a day, a week, we will check it,

10:07:02 and get compliance, and then after we are gone, falls back

10:07:08 out of compliance.

10:07:09 Very frustrating cat and mouse game.

10:07:12 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Is this a property he leases?

10:07:14 >>THOM SNELLING: No, he's the owner.




10:07:19 He leases -- I'm sorry, you are correct.

10:07:21 Mr. Kass is the property owner in which we are working to

10:07:24 bring the property into compliance.

10:07:26 I'm sure he is leasing this operation to whatever the

10:07:29 company is that is there doing that, the business owner.

10:07:32 So he's leasing the property to a business owner.

10:07:35 But the requirements to have the property code compliant

10:07:38 falls to the property owner.

10:07:42 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Thank you.

10:07:43 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Ms. Mulhern?

10:07:44 >>MARY MULHERN: Mr. Snelling -- I wouldn't run away after

10:07:52 I'm done either.

10:07:53 There might be some more questions.

10:07:54 What is the underlying land use and zoning for this?

10:07:58 >>THOM SNELLING: The underlying -- the zoning is CI

10:08:01 commercial intensive.

10:08:02 Underlying land uses.

10:08:07 I don't know.

10:08:08 >>MARY MULHERN: That's fine.

10:08:11 So it's CI.

10:08:15 However, the business that's being conducted there now has

10:08:18 not been permitted?

10:08:20 >>THOM SNELLING: Correct.

10:08:22 There is a code violation.

10:08:23 They just started operating.




10:08:25 They never went through any kind of site plan review.

10:08:28 And he has been cited for doing work without permits and he

10:08:31 will be violated for that.

10:08:32 >>MARY MULHERN: Now, I remember years ago, before

10:08:37 Councilman Reddick got here to be the code enforcement

10:08:45 inspector for this property, the business problems.

10:08:50 So has the change of use gone -- has there only been one

10:08:54 change of use?

10:08:54 >> To my knowledge it has.

10:08:56 >>MARY MULHERN: And have any of them been permitted?

10:08:59 >> Not that I am aware of, to pull the proper permits to do

10:09:02 the business operating there.

10:09:04 And therein lies -- that's the biggest problem, that he

10:09:08 never -- the regulatory review staff never had the

10:09:11 opportunity to say, do this type of fencing, or put in these

10:09:15 parking spaces or do this kind of buffering or these are the

10:09:18 setback requirements.

10:09:19 They just opened it up.

10:09:20 The one guy left.

10:09:22 They got cleaned up.

10:09:23 And the trucks started rolling in and didn't bother to go

10:09:26 through a change of use review.

10:09:27 Otherwise, we would have had that a year ago, two years ago,

10:09:33 or more.

10:09:35 And we have been chasing after him since then.




10:09:41 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thom, who are you chasing after?

10:09:44 Is it the owner?

10:09:46 >>THOM SNELLING: Property owner.

10:09:47 >> Now, is he on our Code Enforcement Board?

10:09:51 >> Is he on our Code Enforcement Board?

10:09:53 >> I don't know if he has or not.

10:09:56 He's been involved with lots of different things.

10:09:58 >> No, he's not on the Code Enforcement Board.

10:10:00 >> Mr. Reddick made a comment specifically there was some

10:10:03 conflict.

10:10:03 What was the conflict?

10:10:05 >>THOM SNELLING: I believe the conflict -- Mr. Mueller might

10:10:08 be able to answer that better.

10:10:09 >>ERNEST MUELLER: Actually, there's no conflict.

10:10:12 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Please identify yourself.

10:10:13 >>ERNEST MUELLER: I'm sorry?

10:10:16 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Identify yourself.

10:10:19 I.D.

10:10:19 Identify.

10:10:20 >> Ernest Mueller, assistant city attorney.

10:10:23 There was no conflict with this particular case.

10:10:25 There was another case that we had where there was a

10:10:27 conflict with the special magistrate and the property

10:10:31 owner/business owner.

10:10:34 That was not this particular case.




10:10:35 >> What was the conflict?

10:10:38 >>ERNEST MUELLER: He had been hired, I believe, by the

10:10:40 property owner's father.

10:10:44 In the business, he didn't feel in that particular case

10:10:48 didn't want to be put in a position where he was making some

10:10:50 sort of decision that may have been a conflict.

10:10:53 >>MIKE SUAREZ: In a case like that what do we do when a

10:10:56 special magistrate has a conflict?

10:10:58 Do we plug in another magistrate?

10:11:00 >>ERNEST MUELLER: Yes, we had a continuance where it would

10:11:04 go to another special magistrate and that was a rarity.

10:11:07 We had another special magistrate in that.

10:11:12 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I wanted to make sure because when Mr.

10:11:14 Reddick mention add conflict, and he mentioned Mr. Kass'

10:11:17 name, I wasn't sure if he was one of those folks involved in

10:11:20 the decision-making process when it comes to code

10:11:22 enforcement.

10:11:23 Because he's more than willing to be vocal on lots of

10:11:28 different issues and I'm just surprised that you haven't

10:11:30 been able to get in contact with him.

10:11:32 He seems to get in contact with all of us here when he has

10:11:35 an issue.

10:11:36 >>ERNEST MUELLER: But I did want to address Mr. Reddick's

10:11:40 concerns, too, with regard to the continuances, and that's

10:11:43 why there's been no objection in this particular case.




10:11:48 I want to explain, in the normal code enforcement process,

10:11:51 as you heard, following the schedule, it's to be completed

10:11:56 at probably the earliest in November.

10:11:59 The way the normal process would be is if we were to set a

10:12:02 deadline it would be in the November time frame, and then

10:12:06 there would be no more inspections on that property until

10:12:09 that November deadline, which would be six, seven months

10:12:12 down the road.

10:12:13 The way we have it set up now, and the way that I like for

10:12:17 to the work, is he has different milestones, like, for

10:12:20 example, the first milestone is July 15th.

10:12:23 The very first special magistrate meeting after that

10:12:26 milestone is when he's to come back.

10:12:29 If he's met that milestone, great.

10:12:31 If he has not met that mohel stone, then we are going to be

10:12:35 entering in an immediate order, and an immediate fine would

10:12:40 start to go.

10:12:41 He knows he's got that hanging over him.

10:12:43 Also, at all times, this property is to be maintained in a

10:12:48 neat and orderly manner there.

10:12:50 Should be no accumulation of junk, inoperable vehicles.

10:12:53 By having these continue and having him come back that has

10:12:57 the code enforcement department set up to where they have to

10:13:02 go through that inspection, therefore, again we come back in

10:13:05 that August hearing.




10:13:07 If there is accumulation of junk, trash, debris, again Mr.

10:13:12 Kass knows that there will be an immediate order set in as

10:13:16 part of this deal.

10:13:18 If he has to, number one, keep the vehicles parked where

10:13:20 they are supposed to be, keep the buffers maintained, and

10:13:24 accumulating.

10:13:25 By having these continuances, we can continue to monitor

10:13:28 that.

10:13:29 We have found this to be a successful method in different

10:13:31 areas when we are trying to get people, motivate people into

10:13:36 compliance.

10:13:36 That's why we have -- there's been no objection to the

10:13:39 continuances because it keeps him coming in, keeps him being

10:13:44 able to monitor the situation.

10:13:46 Normally, there would be a deadline in November, December,

10:13:48 whenever they would have vetted and there would be no more

10:13:51 inspections out there and we wouldn't have been able to

10:13:54 monitor it as well as we can now as we are doing.

10:13:57 >>MIKE SUAREZ: My last question, chair.

10:13:59 Are there people living on this spot?

10:14:01 I know one of the issues that I think was brought up the

10:14:04 first time that you brought this up, Mr. Reddick, was that

10:14:08 there may have been people living there, and there may have

10:14:09 been -- I won't say raw sewage, but I think we had some

10:14:14 discussion about that, about water, exposed water, all kind




10:14:17 of other stuff, and part of the inspection and part of what

10:14:20 we have done.

10:14:21 Are there people living there on-site, inside?

10:14:24 And it looks like there may be somebody living inside a pod

10:14:27 there, or maybe even a trailer?

10:14:31 Do you know what's going on with that, if you know?

10:14:34 >>ERNEST MUELLER: I know there has been that concern.

10:14:36 I don't think it's been determined whether anybody is living

10:14:39 there.

10:14:42 It has been told to us that there is nobody living there by

10:14:45 Mr. Kass.

10:14:45 But I don't believe our department has ever been able to

10:14:48 determine whether anybody was there.

10:14:49 They never found anybody living there.

10:14:53 >> Code enforcement.

10:14:57 We were out there earlier this week and actually checked on

10:15:00 the property from the right-of-way and we could not

10:15:02 determine if there was anybody living there at this time.

10:15:07 In the past there was.

10:15:08 There was.

10:15:08 >>MIKE SUAREZ: So right now we don't know if anybody is

10:15:12 living there but in the past there have been people living

10:15:14 there?

10:15:15 >>JAKE SLATER: That's correct sir.

10:15:21 Mr. Reddick, I am here in regards to this case.




10:15:24 I agree with your comments.

10:15:25 I get frustrated just as much as everybody else does with

10:15:30 the process, with the time factor, with the things that we

10:15:34 have to work under the law.

10:15:37 I can tell you that the city has done everything possible.

10:15:42 We have worked with him.

10:15:43 I have been out there several times myself, with Thom's

10:15:48 staff members.

10:15:49 Now it's time for the property owner to do what's right.

10:15:54 We have these time lines in effect.

10:15:56 We are going to hold them to the fire.

10:15:58 It's been too long, too darn long.

10:16:03 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Let me say before I continue this, I have

10:16:05 been working with Mr. Mueller and Mr. Slater on issues

10:16:09 regarding the time frames -- and I'm not speaking about this

10:16:11 case -- and we met, I think, twice and we continue to meet

10:16:15 to change it, I believe chapter 6, if I recall, and to

10:16:19 change some of these things, because the way it goes, it

10:16:22 takes an enormous amount of time, an enormous amount of man

10:16:27 and woman power and employee power to do things that should

10:16:30 have been done immediately, and we are trying to change it

10:16:35 to first, you're late, too bad, you have got to pay.

10:16:39 And there will be a process hopefully in the future where

10:16:42 some of these things and code enforcement, people keep

10:16:45 telling us, we need more code enforcement officers. And I'm




10:16:48 one that says, no, I need a system overhaul.

10:16:51 I don't need more officers.

10:16:53 I need the officers -- they should have a ticket right

10:16:57 there, not to worry or B tomorrow or the next day.

10:17:00 If you want to come to the hearing officer that's fine, to

10:17:02 determine whether they pay or don't pay, who is right and

10:17:05 who is wrong.

10:17:06 I can't be, we can't be, the judge, the jury and the

10:17:09 prosecutor and the law enforcement officer all at once.

10:17:12 And that is the direction that we have been.

10:17:15 We have to change that.

10:17:16 I think chapter 6 has some articles in there that certainly

10:17:19 need to be addressed and that's why we haven't brought that

10:17:22 up.

10:17:22 And I think we are coming back in August, if I remember, for

10:17:25 the first part of the presentation to change a long standing

10:17:30 effort.

10:17:30 And I always said code enforcement should be called code

10:17:34 enhancement, because what we have is enforcing.

10:17:39 But then who does the enhancement?

10:17:41 No one.

10:17:43 Or very little.

10:17:44 Or the fines multiply and at the end you pay.

10:17:48 In the end you don't care who pays.

10:17:49 So these things have to change so that we get a response




10:17:53 within a reasonable period of time, not two or three years

10:17:56 later -- and I'm not blaming Mr. Slater or anyone that works

10:18:00 for the city.

10:18:00 The sometime has got to change.

10:18:02 And that's what we are working on to make a presentation to

10:18:05 council in the future.

10:18:06 I believe any other council member wants -- Ms. Mulhern, you

10:18:15 are back.

10:18:15 >>MARY MULHERN: Thank you.

10:18:17 I had a question for Mr. Mueller.

10:18:22 With regard to the question of the conflict of interest, and

10:18:26 you said it was a conflict that was involving a magistrate

10:18:30 case?

10:18:32 >>ERNEST MUELLER: Not on this particular case.

10:18:34 >>MARY MULHERN: Was it on this particular property?

10:18:37 >>ERNEST MUELLER: No, no, no.

10:18:38 >>MARY MULHERN: I just wanted to make sure of that.

10:18:41 Thanks.

10:18:41 >>HARRY COHEN: Mr. Reddick.

10:18:43 >>FRANK REDDICK: Thank you, Mr. Chair.

10:18:45 Let me just comment about this time line.

10:18:50 Because I'm hearing that July the 15th, I believe, was

10:18:56 stated, the deadline that this person must respond.

10:19:00 What happened to time lines in the past?

10:19:05 Because I remember at the code hearing I went to, code




10:19:09 enforcement hearing that I went to, he had a deadline to

10:19:14 come there where he had to improve and clean up his

10:19:16 property, and he walked in and said, I need an extension.

10:19:21 And it was granted.

10:19:25 So tell me what's going to be different from this time line

10:19:30 that you are speaking of now, when that individual walked in

10:19:33 there and said, I need an extension, and they granted him an

10:19:37 extension?

10:19:38 That's the problem that's going on.

10:19:40 It keeps getting continuations.

10:19:42 I mean, we are back to the days when they had the pallets on

10:19:56 the property.

10:19:56 I just didn't go back that far.

10:19:58 But what's been going on is they have established time lines

10:20:02 before, because they say, you need to clean up this

10:20:05 property.

10:20:05 When I said a magistrate heard, you have got 30 days to come

10:20:10 back and you must show that you have cleaned up your

10:20:13 property, then you go out there and, in this time frame, you

10:20:18 go out there and see all this trash and all this stuff on

10:20:21 the property.

10:20:21 Then the person goes before the code enforcement magistrate

10:20:24 and says, I need more time.

10:20:25 This is granted.

10:20:28 There's got to be a point -- and I haven't heard today that




10:20:37 you are saying that these people do not have the permits to

10:20:40 be operating on that property.

10:20:43 It seems to me somebody will walk out there and condemn the

10:20:47 property, shut it down.

10:20:50 Because if they are operating without a permit -- and I will

10:20:54 tell you right now, if I want to build on an addition to my

10:20:58 house, and I ain't got no permit and you catch me, you are

10:21:01 going to make me tear it down.

10:21:04 Okay?

10:21:07 So you have admitted here today that twice, these people are

10:21:13 operating without a permit.

10:21:14 They don't have a permit now.

10:21:16 So somebody needs to go there and shut it down.

10:21:22 >>THOM SNELLING: I'll let the attorney answer the legal

10:21:25 ramifications of something like that.

10:21:27 The way the process is -- and like it or not, everybody has

10:21:32 an opportunity to go through a due process.

10:21:35 Not too long ago, standing in front of you was a gentleman

10:21:38 trying to get an alley vacated because he built a house in

10:21:41 the alley and you consider the utilitarian use and the code

10:21:47 violations that he had.

10:21:48 In that case the gentleman worked through half a dozen stop

10:21:51 work orders.

10:21:53 We don't have the authority -- and Chief Castor probably

10:21:57 wouldn't like fountain we went out there and just started




10:22:00 pulling people off and violating their civil rights because

10:22:04 that's the kind of thing you can't just shut somebody down.

10:22:07 Our system isn't set up that way.

10:22:09 It's a process of going through public hearings and appeals

10:22:12 and things like that.

10:22:15 We don't have the legal ability to just prohibit access to

10:22:20 somebody else's property -- and I will defer to Ernie on

10:22:25 that one.

10:22:27 I just want to speak to the deadline, if I could,

10:22:29 Councilman.

10:22:30 I'm sorry.

10:22:31 Ernie alluded to the fact that previously when the deadlines

10:22:34 were coming, okay, you have 60 days of compliance.

10:22:38 There would be no inspections up until that 60th day

10:22:40 before they would be coming back to the code board.

10:22:43 The inspectors would go out and say, he hasn't done it, he's

10:22:47 still not in compliance.

10:22:48 The officer would get up and say that in front of the

10:22:50 magistrate or the code board, depending on how it fell.

10:22:55 And then get up and say, well, gee, I needed more time to

10:22:59 complete because my mother was sick and I had to take care

10:23:01 of her, whatever the reason that they give.

10:23:04 And then they give another 30 days, 45 days, 60 days.

10:23:08 And again, no inspections, which is why we have established

10:23:14 very tight milestones, triggering mechanisms that say by




10:23:19 this date if this doesn't happen, fines start.

10:23:23 By this day, fines start.

10:23:27 This allows to us return to the property on a more frequent

10:23:30 basis with triggering mechanisms and deadline that allow us

10:23:33 to impose the signs have not.

10:23:35 >>FRANK REDDICK: My final comment, Mr. Chair, is that a lot

10:23:45 of people in this community -- we are saying that we know

10:23:48 that you are operating illegally on the property.

10:23:51 You have not gone -- not the proper process to get a permit

10:23:55 to operate this business on this property.

10:23:57 So we are sending a message to the community, we have no

10:24:01 policies in place where we can go there and prohibit, put a

10:24:05 stop sign there and say you cannot operate until you go

10:24:08 through due process and get your permit.

10:24:10 If this person is in the process of getting their permit,

10:24:14 then they need to have a decease order, and you cannot

10:24:18 operate until you get the proper documents to operate.

10:24:21 But what we are saying to people in this community that you

10:24:26 can operate -- we know you are operating illegally, but you

10:24:29 do not have a permit, continue on until you get process and

10:24:35 get this permit.

10:24:36 And that's not fair.

10:24:38 There's got to be some law, some order, that can be done,

10:24:43 put a cease order on that business from operating, if they

10:24:46 are operating illegally in the City of Tampa.




10:24:49 And right now they are operating illegally.

10:24:52 Because it was already stated here today they do not have

10:24:55 the permits to operate this business on that property.

10:25:00 And so I hope one of these TV investigative reporters you

10:25:08 have here, channel 10 and ABC and all these investigative

10:25:12 people, go out there and investigate it.

10:25:14 Because right now, it has been stated here, these people are

10:25:18 operating without a permit.

10:25:19 Now, you want a story?

10:25:22 Go out and investigate and you have got a story.

10:25:25 And I encourage you while you are sitting in your chair go

10:25:28 back to your reporters and whoever does this investigative

10:25:31 stuff and tell them to go out there and go to that property

10:25:34 on 37th and find out that you have got people operating

10:25:38 in the City of Tampa without a permit.

10:25:41 And it's been stated here this morning.

10:25:44 Now, you want a story?

10:25:46 You got one now.

10:25:47 Thank you, Mr. Chair.

10:25:48 >>HARRY COHEN: Let me go to Councilwoman Capin next.

10:25:54 And we will hear from the public when the council members

10:25:58 are finished.

10:26:00 >>YVONNE CAPIN: One of the things that I am gathering is

10:26:03 that code enforcement work, when a stop order is there and

10:26:09 people comply.




10:26:11 When they work through the stop order, there's a process.

10:26:15 We have to be careful, the amount of teeth we give.

10:26:21 That is very important.

10:26:23 And you mentioned the property where the gentleman, not only

10:26:31 did he build once, twice, onto rights-of-way, and the only

10:26:39 thing we looked at was vacating the alley.

10:26:45 The fines, how much does this man owe in fines?

10:26:51 >> I would have to look that up, ma'am.

10:26:53 I don't have that number.

10:26:53 >> Does anybody know?

10:26:55 >> I'm sure one of my --

10:27:00 >> I'm not talking -- the owner of the property.

10:27:05 Because when someone are adding on, and they don't have a

10:27:10 permit, they have a stop order, and then they have to pay a

10:27:16 fine.

10:27:19 Now, some people work through the stop order, and owe the

10:27:26 fines.

10:27:28 >>THOM SNELLING: In that particular case, although I can't

10:27:30 say for certain, the people that were doing the work are not

10:27:35 necessarily licensed contractors.

10:27:36 If we knew that they were licensed contractors, we have that

10:27:39 avenue to go through to go after the people who are licensed

10:27:42 contractors and go after their licenses.

10:27:44 We have done many times in the past quite successfully.

10:27:47 And in that particular case I don't know who was doing the




10:27:51 work or whether or not they were licensed or not.

10:27:54 If we knew the that for sure we would have gone after the

10:27:58 licenses of the contractors.

10:27:59 Here, just starting to operate differently, I don't know

10:28:04 what additional construction or whatever had to go there.

10:28:10 >>YVONNE CAPIN: On this particular property, are there any

10:28:12 fines owed or leveraged --

10:28:17 >>THOM SNELLING: On the 37th street property?

10:28:18 I don't believe there are fines at this point.

10:28:20 I'm not certain.

10:28:21 I don't believe fines are because we got them in front of

10:28:23 the code board and the consequences, it's at that point that

10:28:26 the magistrate will make a decision, you are now going to

10:28:29 levy fines, $100 a day, $200 a day, whatever it happens to

10:28:34 be.

10:28:34 A magistrate happens to do that.

10:28:36 That is what the code board is for.

10:28:37 >> Okay.

10:28:40 When someone is building, and they don't have a permit, and

10:28:44 they have a stop order, then the cost of the permit doubles?

10:28:49 >> Double or triple, yes, ma'am.

10:28:53 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Double or trip to continue, if they can.

10:28:58 >>THOM SNELLING: Yes.

10:28:58 They have to turn in building permits and they have double

10:29:01 or triple fee for that.




10:29:04 >>YVONNE CAPIN: So on this, we don't have any signs.

10:29:08 In two years?

10:29:09 Is it two years that they have been operating without a

10:29:12 permit?

10:29:14 And we have leveraged -- okay.

10:29:23 There's a lot we need to cover.

10:29:25 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Whatever the city has on file, whatever,

10:29:29 any individuals that try to buy this property, anybody who

10:29:32 tries to develop this property, I want a complete thing for

10:29:35 myself.

10:29:35 I don't know about the other council members.

10:29:37 I would imagine if I get it, they can get it.

10:29:40 They are entitled to everything I get.

10:29:41 So I would like to get that.

10:29:44 Maybe somebody tried to purchase this property, built on

10:29:47 this property for the last eight years.

10:29:49 I'm sure something has happened here.

10:29:50 And I would like to have something in the neighborhood of

10:29:52 all the violations of the whole neighborhood.

10:30:00 >>THOM SNELLING: You want a complete history of that

10:30:02 property?

10:30:03 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Complete history.

10:30:04 Whatever the city has in any department.

10:30:05 I'm not talking about code enforcement.

10:30:08 And the operation of any building permits, any sales




10:30:14 permits, of real estate, any options that were sold.

10:30:19 And I want one on the neighborhood within reasonable, I

10:30:22 don't know.

10:30:23 I don't know what reasonable is.

10:30:25 But if we could get that, I would appreciate it.

10:30:34 Well, when we come back.

10:30:36 Next week is the last week.

10:30:39 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Because of the sunshine I want to make sure

10:30:40 that we read that.

10:30:41 Thank you.

10:30:42 It was the compliance, and no fines have been levied which

10:30:49 is something that he said.

10:30:50 So I just want to make sure everyone --

10:30:56 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: We have the public portion.

10:30:58 Public, please come forward.

10:31:03 >> Good morning.

10:31:05 I'm Toinette Gaines, and my address 3623 East Gibbons

10:31:09 Avenue.

10:31:10 Just so that I don't miss anything, I have written a letter.

10:31:14 And my issues, I live right across the street.

10:31:17 And I have the greater impact of what's going on over there.

10:31:23 Our community has been dealing with the business at 5315

10:31:26 North 37th street for over a year, which appears to be a

10:31:32 truck stop or some sort of storage because I photographed

10:31:36 junk cars, modular trailers and a lot filled with tractor




10:31:42 trailers.

10:31:43 We are opposing the business because it's a nuisance to our

10:31:45 community.

10:31:46 It constantly has trucks entering and exiting the

10:31:49 neighborhood 24/7, it buffers our neighborhood which

10:31:53 prohibits truck usage but somehow this is the only street in

10:31:58 the City of Tampa, Hillsborough County that no trucks signs

10:32:02 aren't enforced, or nonexistent.

10:32:05 The police have been called numerous times by myself and

10:32:08 others in the area since twice, three times a week or over

10:32:12 the weekend, trucks blocking right-of-way, sidewalks, and

10:32:17 neighborhood driveways, et cetera.

10:32:20 Also, the traffic on the neighborhood streets have increased

10:32:23 tremendously because truckers are being transported to and

10:32:25 from the yard by individuals.

10:32:28 I have requested more police patrol because dump trucks and

10:32:33 motorists at the truck stop are speeding down the

10:32:36 residential street, gid Dons, and no parking on the

10:32:40 right-of-way signs are being ignored.

10:32:42 Next we are dealing with the dust pollution from grass being

10:32:45 destroyed by the constant flow of trucks, and there isn't

10:32:48 any pavement or proper irrigation provided to minimize the

10:32:53 dust.

10:32:54 EDC has asked the truck hog is leasing at 5315 north

10:33:06 37th street to provide a solution to the dust problem.




10:33:12 It hasn't alleviated any dust.

10:33:14 The research shows from EPA Web site it's very hazardous to

10:33:19 our health especially children and the elderly.

10:33:22 There are two modulars on this property which individuals

10:33:27 are using for their residence.

10:33:28 These gentlemen have been spotted numerous times bathing

10:33:32 behind these modulars which is very inappropriate and

10:33:35 borderline lascivious.

10:33:38 He continues to -- I'm talking about Mr. Kass -- is

10:33:42 continuing to get these continuances.

10:33:44 And this is very, very frustrating, and I'm sure any of you

10:33:48 where you live at, it's not allowed.

10:33:50 And I just want for this to be brought to justice.

10:33:54 And we have been dealing with this way too long.

10:34:00 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you for your appearance and your

10:34:01 comments this morning.

10:34:02 Thank you very much.

10:34:03 Next, please.

10:34:05 >> Good morning.

10:34:06 My name is Linda Hunter 3623 east Giddens.

10:34:12 Just to piggyback on what was said, we are constantly

10:34:16 dealing with this truck stop in the neighborhood.

10:34:19 And I'm quite sure -- I'm quite sure they would not allow

10:34:24 this particular action to go on in their area also.

10:34:29 Continue stand lit -- constantly with the trucks running all




10:34:33 night, in and out of the residence.

10:34:37 You can't hardly sleep.

10:34:38 And then you have neighbors that have to get up in the

10:34:41 morning and you can't hardly sleep at night with the trucks

10:34:44 in and out of the residence all times of night and people

10:34:49 back and forth.

10:34:50 So I think at this point, I don't understand that there is

10:34:56 nothing to be done to stop action there, but I am quite sure

10:34:59 that there's something, some type of law, some type of

10:35:01 guideline here, to stop action at this particular property.

10:35:06 I'm not asking you to move the people off, but stop the

10:35:09 action there at this point.

10:35:10 We are just -- there can be some resolve with this property,

10:35:13 because it's just a nuisance.

10:35:15 And the company, Mr. Kass, he's not going to do anything.

10:35:20 It's going to always be a continuance.

10:35:23 He's always with some excuse.

10:35:25 So I think at some point, say enough is enough, thank you.

10:35:31 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much, ma'am.

10:35:32 Next, please.

10:35:33 >> My name is Betty Whack.

10:35:39 And I live at 3716 east Giddens.

10:35:43 And it's really distressing because I live by myself.

10:35:48 And these trucks come with cars all lined and those trucks.

10:35:57 And it's breaking the limbs down.




10:35:59 And I'm afraid it's going break the limb down in my house

10:36:03 and I'm there all night by myself.

10:36:06 And one day, would you do that if that was in your house?

10:36:13 He said, ma'am, we are down there.

10:36:18 And I said, well, we live up here, you know.

10:36:21 And they are breaking this property, breaking the limbs on

10:36:24 the trees.

10:36:25 And that oak tree by my house, and I'm so afraid -- this

10:36:30 limb is leaning over and it's going to break my wire.

10:36:33 I called TECO to tell them about it, you know.

10:36:37 Cut it back.

10:36:39 If you do break it, it won't cut my wire and I will be in

10:36:43 the dark.

10:36:44 And in the residence, I mean, the whole line of dump trucks,

10:36:52 and I said, where are they going to?

10:36:57 And it be all night long.

10:36:59 It's all night long.

10:37:00 And I be afraid to be in the street, because I don't want to

10:37:04 be in the dark.

10:37:05 And then we have enough when it rains.

10:37:18 But my being an old lady, this has been going on and going

10:37:23 on and going on and going on and going on.

10:37:25 And I would think you all would have something to do with

10:37:31 them.

10:37:32 And cars and dump trucks and all those cars knowing the




10:37:40 trees is over, and they break it off.

10:37:42 Would you want that in your neighborhood?

10:37:46 If it was your mother staying by yourself?

10:37:50 I'm an old lady.

10:37:52 I'm not don't look as old as I am.

10:37:55 77 years old.

10:37:56 And I don't want to be in the dark by myself.

10:37:58 I don't have no kids.

10:37:59 My husband is dead since '99.

10:38:03 And that's my worry.

10:38:04 And can't sleep at night.

10:38:08 If you get another truck going, roar, and I have been down

10:38:15 there 30 years and -- I been in that house that I am living

10:38:19 in 29 years, November 13th.

10:38:24 I see a lot go and come, but this gets it all.

10:38:29 And if you all can do something to help me where I can sleep

10:38:34 at night and don't worry about the lights going off, will

10:38:38 you please help me?

10:38:39 Thank you.

10:38:40 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.

10:38:42 Yes, sir?

10:38:43 >> Pete Johnson, 510 Harrison street.

10:38:49 As you know, I have been watching code for the last 25

10:38:52 years.

10:38:53 The problem with code is code itself.




10:38:57 They make the procedures.

10:38:59 They make the process.

10:39:01 It is up to them to make the changes to improve it.

10:39:07 To shorten the time span.

10:39:09 There's no sense in giving out an initial letter of

10:39:13 complaint on a property that has had 15 code violations over

10:39:17 the years.

10:39:19 You have seen what happened at the green trailer park where

10:39:23 people were living in subhuman conditions.

10:39:28 The entire process has been broken for 30 years.

10:39:36 This is over 8,000 civil citations and warnings.

10:39:46 Each date is closed on the date of compliance or date of

10:39:49 payment of fines.

10:39:50 There is never a follow-up to check and make sure this

10:39:55 property complies.

10:39:57 It's strictly a cover-up.

10:40:00 There's no follow-through.

10:40:04 And this is an administrative decision.

10:40:09 It is not a legal decision.

10:40:10 It will be very easy just to change "comply" to say after

10:40:17 the inspection date, have a drive-by.

10:40:20 Have the officer fill in what was completed.

10:40:26 But to totally ignore -- and this is just since 2011.

10:40:31 I'm waiting on another 188 pages between that date and the

10:40:36 present .




10:40:39 This is ridiculous.

10:40:40 The civil citation program has turned into nothing but a

10:40:43 cover-up.

10:40:45 And an excuse that, oh, we are doing better.

10:40:48 We don't have cases going to the code board or the hearing

10:40:51 master because of civil citations.

10:40:55 No one can tell me or prove that they even work.

10:41:00 It's a waste of money.

10:41:02 And 2011, out of 8,000, we only brought in $14,000.

10:41:10 The city clerk or the county clerk only collects 3%

10:41:19 countywide.

10:41:21 (Bell sounds)

10:41:22 Well, the money is one thing.

10:41:26 Yeah.

10:41:26 But what are we getting for the money?

10:41:28 Nothing.

10:41:30 No reinspection.

10:41:31 No assurance.

10:41:32 No proof.

10:41:33 And, again, this is an administrative decision, not a legal

10:41:40 decision.

10:41:41 They can change it like that.

10:41:43 And that's why I get so upset with code enforcement.

10:41:46 (Bell sounds)

10:41:47 They know how to fix the problem.




10:41:49 Thank you.

10:41:50 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.

10:41:51 Next, please.

10:41:55 >> I'm ed, Ed Tillou from Sulphur Springs.

10:42:01 Just quick on item 3, in passing, because I want to address

10:42:06 another one.

10:42:07 I used to live in college park.

10:42:09 And I think you have a specific situation here.

10:42:13 But on the other side of the coin, there's a general kind of

10:42:17 thing.

10:42:19 And college park, when you wanted any work done on your park

10:42:24 you had to go to a community builder.

10:42:26 So anyway there was a lot of inconvenience built into that.

10:42:29 And as to college park doesn't have a lot of jobs for

10:42:32 people.

10:42:35 Beltsville, which is a community you go to, does.

10:42:39 With respect to item 2, that's a very good thing.

10:42:44 You know, I gave out some material on the great famine which

10:42:48 is generally called the potato famine.

10:42:51 My great grandmother, Irene Mahoney what's called the 47er,

10:42:59 and because of the famine in which a million people died and

10:43:04 a million people emigrated to the United States.

10:43:07 Now, in part, that was because they were sucking too much

10:43:12 money out of Ireland which was said to be England's first

10:43:16 colony.




10:43:16 But another dimension was growth over population.

10:43:19 Ireland was becoming overpopulated.

10:43:22 And while I was here, one time one of the clergymen was

10:43:26 boasting of his 13 grandchildren.

10:43:28 Now, I took a course at USF last fall called medieval

10:43:34 society.

10:43:34 And in medieval society, if you had 20 acres of land you

10:43:38 could feed your family.

10:43:40 So 13 grandchildren means 58.

10:43:43 If D they have 58 acres? No.

10:43:46 Under industrialization there's always another job, another

10:43:48 job, another job.

10:43:49 But this comes from agriculture.

10:43:51 You have got to have the agricultural base to be able to

10:43:53 feed people.

10:43:55 Now, one of the things I brought up, I have been looking for

10:43:59 more cost effective forms of protein.

10:44:02 Because there's a possibility 110,000 people in Tampa would

10:44:06 be going to things like feed America for months and that's

10:44:13 why I have been going over this.

10:44:14 I bring this -- it's not always easy to get it in -- but one

10:44:19 of the most cost effective forms of protein was beans.

10:44:24 And that would cost the City of Tampa $30 million to have an

10:44:29 emergency food supply.

10:44:31 But as I brought out, there are problems with beans.




10:44:37 Better is powdered milk.

10:44:39 But that's $40 million.

10:44:41 On the other hand, 165 million.

10:44:44 I don't think you will spend it but that might be what's

10:44:46 called for.

10:44:51 I tried to get to some of the meetings about that, but one

10:44:55 we should have is calcium for the I tied not from

10:44:58 concentrate, and iron shortage malta.

10:45:04 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.

10:45:04 >> Okay.

10:45:05 But that brings us back --

10:45:06 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.

10:45:07 Thank you very much.

10:45:10 Yes, sir.

10:45:11 >>MARTIN SHELBY: If I could make a comment and put this in

10:45:14 context, and I think you discussed it with your comments

10:45:17 very succinctly.

10:45:19 This is a process issue.

10:45:20 This is really the opportunity for people to come and

10:45:23 address council with their concerns, but this is not the

10:45:26 venue to talk about the merits.

10:45:28 Rather, this is the appropriate point to find out what the

10:45:30 process, how to bet area prove to the get the results that

10:45:35 City Council wishes to have.

10:45:37 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.




10:45:38 We go to public workshops, item number 4.

10:45:44 Mr. Mueller?

10:46:08 >>TONJA BRICKHOUSE: Solid waste and environmental

10:46:13 management.

10:46:14 I'm here to address items 4 and 5 to provide an update on

10:46:18 solid waste and how things are going since the rate

10:46:22 increase.

10:46:24 If I could have the slides up, please.

10:46:31 Basically, I want to remind you of our mission in being good

10:46:44 environmental stewards for the city.

10:46:47 Leading the way on that, and really the dynamic team leading

10:46:50 the way in the industry, not just in the city, but to be

10:46:53 safe, innovative, and of course customer focused while we do

10:46:58 that.

10:47:01 Primarily, just want to cover these three things today, and

10:47:05 then entertain any questions that you all might have.

10:47:11 Before I talk about budget, what I want to do is just remind

10:47:15 you all about the bond rate covenants.

10:47:18 In terms of understood the resolution the city is coveted to

10:47:26 revise, fees and other charges in the collection and

10:47:32 disposal of solid waste that will provide annual gross

10:47:35 revenues sufficient to cover the following:

10:47:39 100% of the operating expenditures for the system;

10:47:43 110% of the annual bond debt service payments

10:47:46 To fund a reserve, and to fund, row pair and replacement.




10:47:52 I want to say that upfront before we even look at what we

10:47:55 have got to present today.

10:47:57 Basically what you see in front of us right now, though, you

10:48:03 see the actuals for FY 2012.

10:48:06 One thing I do want to note when you look at the total

10:48:08 there, one of the things not selected is the $1.6 million

10:48:12 for the lease purchase for vehicles.

10:48:15 And so if you look out, you see going in the out years the

10:48:23 impact of the rate increase, but also you see the increases

10:48:28 related to capital for vehicles and equipment as well.

10:48:31 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Mrs. Montelione?

10:48:33 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Mrs. Brickhouse, the 1.6 for lease and

10:48:37 purchase vehicles, why is that not reflected?

10:48:40 And if it were, where would it be reflected?

10:48:42 And I would think that would be something we would want to

10:48:45 reflect.

10:48:59 This is a big chunk of change to leave out of the equation.

10:49:02 >> Budget office: The $1.6 million in September of 2012 so

10:49:10 there were no expenses associated with those leases.

10:49:13 The expense for the lease would be reflected in 13, 14, 15,

10:49:16 and the years which we are actually paying for those leased

10:49:19 vehicles.

10:49:21 >>LISA MONTELIONE: So in the projected numbers that are on

10:49:22 the slide, the 1.6 million is reflected there?

10:49:26 >> Yes.




10:49:26 >>TONJA BRICKHOUSE: Thanks, Mike.

10:49:35 If we go to the next slide, you see that we address the fund

10:49:39 balance, and you see in the beginning of FY 2012, you see

10:49:43 where we were with fund balance, and you see that we have to

10:49:47 actually use fund balances cover that year.

10:49:51 And then you go out in 2013, 2014, you see that the results

10:49:55 of the rate increase, and you saw the fund balance move into

10:50:00 a healthy direction.

10:50:06 What I want to point out on this slide is, with the daily

10:50:13 cash flow it reflects 90 days cash as it relates to what the

10:50:17 bond rating agencies require.

10:50:19 And so you see in FY 2012 the direction we are going before

10:50:23 the rate increase.

10:50:25 It was not going to be a healthy situation.

10:50:28 But as you look and get out to the outyears of 2014, you see

10:50:33 us getting close to that 90 days cash on hand.

10:50:43 This slide depicts the service coverage for the solid waste

10:50:50 fund.

10:50:50 Again you see the blue line represents where we were prior

10:50:53 to the rate increase.

10:50:54 And then of course you see where we are in terms of how we

10:51:00 direct out to 2014.

10:51:07 Again, a bleak picture when you look at FY 2012 before the

10:51:12 rate increase.

10:51:13 You see we were headed to be in the hole $25 million in fund




10:51:17 balance.

10:51:17 And as you look at the rate increase and the impact of the

10:51:23 rate increase, you see that we are getting healthier in the

10:51:26 fund balance.

10:51:27 One of the things that I want to emphasize, and the reason

10:51:30 why it's stated before things that we talked about in the

10:51:34 beginning in terms of what the bond covenant requires to do,

10:51:37 is when you look at fund balance, yes, you have reserves but

10:51:43 we have to be mindful of repairing and possibly replacing

10:51:46 the 450 million plant.

10:51:52 I want to move now to some of the anticipated capital

10:51:56 projects, capital improvement projects.

10:52:00 The first thing out of the hopper is in 2014, one of the

10:52:03 things we must address is the MacKay Bay transfer station.

10:52:08 As you all know, that was a contracted operated facility for

10:52:11 a number of years.

10:52:12 Now that we are running it in-house, there are a number of

10:52:15 things that we see that must be done.

10:52:17 We are working with risk, we are working with contract

10:52:20 admin, we are working with facilities to address some

10:52:23 things, particularly safety issues, but also some things

10:52:27 that would help with the ease of operating on the floor and

10:52:33 to be able to give customers more ability to handle more

10:52:38 customers at one time.

10:52:42 The other thing that I wanted to point out is in the McKay




10:52:49 scale house, and if you ever go there in peak hours you see

10:52:53 the lines back up to 34th street.

10:52:55 So some of the things we are looking at is we are looking at

10:52:57 additional scales and lanes, entrance and exit, and if you

10:53:01 think about the bank teller line where you have some lines

10:53:04 where you have the two that you put through, we are trying

10:53:06 to get to where we can service customers more expeditiously,

10:53:10 but also get to where we provide a higher standard.

10:53:16 So we are projecting to do that as well.

10:53:19 The third thing we are looking at in terms of capital

10:53:21 improvement is looking at construction and demolition.

10:53:26 For the MacKay Bay facility, if we can't expand to do that.

10:53:31 So to change, for waste to be delivered for processing there

10:53:36 at MacKay Bay.

10:53:37 What will that do for us?

10:53:39 Hopefully we'll be dealing with construction and demolition.

10:53:42 There's an opportunity to pull more processible waste out of

10:53:47 that and more revenue through the waste facility and then

10:53:54 lower landfill costs.

10:53:56 This should not be new to you but I wanted to put the

10:53:59 optimization initiative.

10:54:01 You all heard me in December when we talked about what was

10:54:03 on the horizon.

10:54:04 The good part to talk about today is that we are well on our

10:54:08 way into implementing a number of things that you all have




10:54:11 approved to help improve our solid waste system.

10:54:14 One of the things that I want to emphasize is June 14, as

10:54:22 late as June 14, without a solid waste -- and when I say out

10:54:25 at 5:30 in the morning, because they wanted to observe our

10:54:29 operation, see and engage the drivers, listen to some of the

10:54:32 things to centralized dispatch, all of those things.

10:54:36 So they gather some information in preparation for our

10:54:39 official kick-off meeting that happens on June 24.

10:54:43 We expect to go live with the GPS and route optimization,

10:54:50 vehicle fleet in December of this year.

10:54:52 You will hear more about that.

10:54:53 You heard about the savings.

10:54:55 The things that I like to point out here is that you are

10:54:58 saving in terms of fuel cost.

10:55:00 You are saving in terms of reducing overtime costs.

10:55:03 And over the course of the five years, savoring up to $2

10:55:06 million.

10:55:06 Some of this you heard before.

10:55:08 But I just wanted to emphasize that again today.

10:55:11 That some of the efficiency measures will help us also get

10:55:14 to the bottom line in reducing some of the operating

10:55:18 expenses.

10:55:19 We are well on our way to transitioning the collection

10:55:27 services contract to public services.

10:55:30 In fact, you -- republic services.




10:55:35 I had an opportunity to go and do a site visit at republic

10:55:39 to go over how they will be supporting the City of Tampa in

10:55:42 terms of their systems, their technology, looking at the

10:55:47 actual technology that's going to be put on all the

10:55:54 commercial bins.

10:55:55 I'm excited during the course of this contract that we have

10:55:59 strengthened our ability to do proper management, better

10:56:02 management, and specifically to talk about doing a lot of

10:56:06 electronic billing, billing that gives us better

10:56:09 accountability and a better process to be able to audit and

10:56:14 ensure that this contract is handled properly, successfully,

10:56:19 et cetera.

10:56:25 The other thing that I want to emphasize, too, is the City

10:56:28 of Tampa recycling program.

10:56:30 You all know that the automated recycling -- and I don't

10:56:33 know if you have the cards but you know we completed phase

10:56:37 2.

10:56:38 We covered a number of stuff and now we have got 12 routes,

10:56:41 about 18,000 carts delivered, and then one of the things I

10:56:45 did want to stop here, we use our participation credit to

10:56:51 determine how to issue carts but one of the things I want to

10:56:57 point out is when the communities that are getting the carts

10:57:00 see the carts, then the increase, 3,000 additional carts

10:57:05 requested.

10:57:06 So there's a lot of energy going on.




10:57:08 You see that the recycling routes right now, the

10:57:13 participating rights-of-way, and those routes, 76%.

10:57:17 So well on the way as we implement part of the recycling

10:57:21 throughout the city, well under way to get into help with

10:57:25 getting to the 75 by 2020.

10:57:28 The other thing that I wanted to emphasize is we are doing

10:57:31 more than just cart and recycling.

10:57:35 We are partnering with parks and rec and looking at some

10:57:39 public-private partnerships in terms of increasing the

10:57:41 number of neighborhood drop-off sites in the city.

10:57:44 Why do we need to do that?

10:57:46 Some of that is going to help with being able to offer

10:57:49 multifamily, opportunities, to do recycling, because right

10:57:52 now, we still have to work through that process.

10:57:55 But you can see we have got a number of things planned, as

10:58:00 we get complaints from merchants and residential recycling

10:58:03 beyond just the cart recycling.

10:58:07 The other thing I want to emphasize on recycling this

10:58:10 morning is we are going to begin a new contract with waste

10:58:13 management, recycle America, and we'll have a projected

10:58:16 annual endowment of about $415,738 from that contract.

10:58:22 Now, let me say something here.

10:58:25 That projection is based on what we have with the

10:58:30 participation study.

10:58:31 Now that we are assuming we have about 12 months of data on




10:58:35 the cart recycling we will be able to give a better

10:58:39 projection as to really what that number will probably be.

10:58:42 But the good news is that there's an annual increase in the

10:58:45 revenue that's generated from recycling.

10:58:51 One of the things that we have also done, and it's coming

10:58:56 July 1st, right around the corner, in terms of to

10:58:59 improve the aesthetics and make the core downtown district

10:59:02 more pedestrian friendly, we are pulling the 95-gallon

10:59:07 carts.

10:59:07 We call it the Tampa downtown partnership, core collection

10:59:11 service.

10:59:11 So if you ever hear C 2 S, that's what it's about.

10:59:15 But basically pulling the 95-gallon carts, going to a valet

10:59:22 service three times a day, 6 a.m., 10 a.m. and 3 p.m. in

10:59:26 order to -- the frequency of service they need, but also to

10:59:32 keep the sidewalks in the core area clear of carts.

10:59:36 One of the things that we did is to be up close and

10:59:41 personal, and there's about 53 merchants.

10:59:45 I had three teams of solid waste professionals go out and

10:59:50 personally visit every business.

10:59:53 Because I don't care how much media, how much e-mail and how

10:59:56 much texting and how much you push out, somebody doesn't get

11:00:00 the message.

11:00:01 And so we personally went out and canvassed all 53

11:00:04 businesses to make sure everybody knows what's happening




11:00:09 July 1st and where we will be issuing the bags, all of

11:00:12 those things.

11:00:13 So the bottom line is this is a new service for downtown,

11:00:17 and we should be cleaner, more pedestrian friendly streets

11:00:20 in downtown.

11:00:25 The next slide that I want to talk about is related to

11:00:28 illegal dumping.

11:00:31 And what we have done for illegal dumping abatement.

11:00:35 And let me give you a number here, just so you have a point

11:00:37 of reference .

11:00:38 When I took over in 2008, the solid waste department was

11:00:44 almost $115,000 almost on you will legal dumping.

11:00:49 Just picking up stuff that we couldn't charge to anybody,

11:00:52 et cetera, et cetera.

11:00:55 At the end of 2012 we had cut that number down to 57,000.

11:00:59 Almost $58,000 and we are still working on it.

11:01:04 We partnered with department of code enforcement, Tampa

11:01:07 Police Department, partnerships and neighborhood engagement,

11:01:12 what we can do to get the city clean.

11:01:14 But I wanted to put to thought one thing about illegal

11:01:19 dumping we are doing now with the resources in solid waste,

11:01:23 and it's called operation spotlight.

11:01:25 And what we are doing is code enforcement officers will pick

11:01:29 an area in the city where all the code enforcement officers

11:01:33 will be concentrated for a period ever time.




11:01:36 And they will look at everything, et cetera, et cetera.

11:01:40 What you see here from our efforts is -- June 12th efforts,

11:01:45 we ended up with 99 tags issued and 18 violations documented

11:01:50 which means that we are going to go back.

11:01:52 While we are out there, too, there's communication with the

11:01:55 neighborhoods, there will be communication with the

11:01:58 neighborhood association presidents, et cetera, et cetera,

11:02:01 to go with getting the city clean, and also seeing if we

11:02:05 can't make those accountable so you can find stuff when you

11:02:10 go through it, addresses, names, et cetera, to be able

11:02:14 account for that.

11:02:16 And TPD is a great partner in this.

11:02:18 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I think Mrs. Montelione has a statement.

11:02:20 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Mrs. Brickhouse, I think you know what I

11:02:26 am going to say.

11:02:26 We talked on Monday or Tuesday about the presentation that

11:02:29 you are giving today, and I had made some suggestions and

11:02:32 asked questions then.

11:02:33 But a couple of things about illegal dumping.

11:02:38 And as I have said before, illegal dumping is something that

11:02:42 happens in every single part of the city.

11:02:46 We don't have as a City of Tampa responsibility for the New

11:02:48 Tampa area, which is Hillsborough County, solid waste.

11:02:52 However, I was at a community that is staffed from the Pasco

11:03:01 County line, what's out there, construction, debris,




11:03:04 mattresses, sitting on the side of the road.

11:03:07 So it's not something that only happens in certain parts of

11:03:10 our city.

11:03:10 It happens all over.

11:03:12 And it's something that will always happen.

11:03:18 How much would you say we spend in illegal dumping activity

11:03:20 that we did not get reimburse Ford?

11:03:22 >> In 2008 we spent almost 115,000 just getting illegal

11:03:31 dumping.

11:03:36 Since 2012 we are down to 58,000.

11:03:38 The reason why those numbers, because some of the illegal

11:03:42 dumping abatement initiatives that we are doing are actually

11:03:46 having an impact.

11:03:47 And what I am excited about is even more so with the

11:03:52 partnership with TPD, with cameras, with the department of

11:03:57 code enforcement partnership, to ask -- what we are looking

11:04:01 at is to close the cycle time from the time we identify it

11:04:04 to the time we get --

11:04:07 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Right.

11:04:09 Now, I'm sure when you mention all those departments and all

11:04:13 the resources that go into just those activities of abating

11:04:20 illegal dumping, that's a lot of city resources.

11:04:24 If your department's time, code enforcement's time, TPD's

11:04:28 time, it's the citizen's time who actually go out and call

11:04:31 you -- I know I have done it many times, I know Mr. Reddick




11:04:35 has done it many times -- and probably all of us have made

11:04:38 calls to code enforcement, or to solid waste to say, you

11:04:42 know, this site is an illegal dumping site, come out and do

11:04:47 something about it.

11:04:48 So it's the resources that I am looking at.

11:04:50 And the cost of those resources.

11:04:56 115,000 in 2008 -- 68,000 in 2012 -- those numbers probably

11:05:00 don't even come close to covering the cost for every

11:05:05 department to be involved in this.

11:05:07 >> Well, those are the numbers I have for solid waste.

11:05:12 I don't have the --

11:05:14 >>LISA MONTELIONE: But that's the dollar amount we

11:05:16 collected or that's the dollar amount of cost?

11:05:19 >>TONJA BRICKHOUSE: This is the cost.

11:05:20 So we are talking about --

11:05:22 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Only solid waste.

11:05:24 So.

11:05:25 >>TONJA BRICKHOUSE: The good news is some of the actions

11:05:27 that we are taking to abate illegal dumping actually is

11:05:31 going in the right direction.

11:05:32 And that's the reason I wanted to point out, do we have it

11:05:35 fixed? No.

11:05:37 We are starting with cameras .

11:05:38 >>LISA MONTELIONE: This is only part of the cost.

11:05:43 Because TPD and code enforcement and maybe the legal




11:05:45 department, whoever else in the city is involved in it isn't

11:05:49 reflected in these numbers.

11:05:57 So several citizens have talked to me about this and even my

11:06:02 former legislative aide was from the city of Miami

11:06:05 originally, and actually she's from Haiti originally, but by

11:06:09 way of Miami, and she didn't even know that we had illegal

11:06:15 dumping, because the city of Miami picks it up.

11:06:21 She said in Miami she had not seen, you know, the problem

11:06:23 the way she has seen it here because it's just something

11:06:29 that is included in their environmental solid waste

11:06:34 department, is just when it's there, you pick it up.

11:06:37 There's no having to call, there's no having to get four,

11:06:41 five D.E.P. different departments involved, and, you know,

11:06:46 there are ways that I think we can accomplish that.

11:06:47 When we spoke on Monday, I talked about perhaps when we

11:06:51 reach a point which may be soon, in the revenue fund, that

11:06:56 we can begin even a pilot program as you did with the

11:07:00 recycling initiative.

11:07:02 You know, it starts out with the pilot program.

11:07:04 And to see how effective it is.

11:07:06 Because I believe you will not stop people from dumping

11:07:10 illegally.

11:07:11 They will always do it.

11:07:13 You know, I equate it to prostitution.

11:07:15 You can make it illegal.




11:07:16 You can arrest people.

11:07:17 You can fine people.

11:07:18 It is not going to stop the process.

11:07:25 A couple of last-minute things?

11:07:28 There's something we need to find another way to address.

11:07:31 And I'm not saying that if we catch people who are doing the

11:07:35 illegal dumping that they wouldn't be, you know, prosecuted,

11:07:40 they wouldn't be fined.

11:07:42 But I'm saying, we need to find another way to keep our

11:07:45 neighborhoods clean, and we need to find another way to

11:07:49 address the issue.

11:07:50 And maybe that's something that we can start, you know, the

11:07:54 process of looking into.

11:07:55 >>TONJA BRICKHOUSE: We have already started.

11:07:59 One of the things that irritates me about illegal dumping,

11:08:02 if I can be candid, is that the process that we follow is

11:08:06 because that's the way it's structured in the code.

11:08:09 The code is written in such a way to allow the citizens the

11:08:14 opportunity to remove it before the city does anything.

11:08:19 So we are doing some code revisions, to be honest, and they

11:08:23 will be coming to you hopefully sometime this year.

11:08:25 But we have got to get code changed also that doesn't

11:08:28 require us to give seven days notice and go back in seven

11:08:31 days, et cetera, et cetera, for process changes.

11:08:35 So that's something that is something we are already looking




11:08:39 at.

11:08:40 We know we need to change the process.

11:08:45 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Ms. Capin?

11:08:48 You touched on two points.

11:08:49 Is there any over or underbilling at this present time

11:08:53 anywhere?

11:08:58 >>TONJA BRICKHOUSE: I can't really speak to the billing

11:09:00 except --

11:09:02 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Anywhere that you know of?

11:09:04 >>TONJA BRICKHOUSE: Not that I am aware of.

11:09:07 But I would prefer to go and check with the billing team.

11:09:11 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: All right.

11:09:11 Please do.

11:09:11 And the second, recycling.

11:09:13 You went from a 14-gallon box to a 96-gallon box that is

11:09:18 seven times the amount, I guess, and that should give you

11:09:21 less garbage to pick up and more recycle.

11:09:24 Therefore, I guess you would then reduce the loss of

11:09:29 recycling somewhere less than the current $3 million a year?

11:09:34 >>TONJA BRICKHOUSE: That's correct.

11:09:35 And that's the part where I can't project out in terms of --

11:09:41 with the numbers we have projected for what we expect to get

11:09:44 from recycling in terms of revenue, I believe those are very

11:09:48 conservative because they don't account for the fact that

11:09:50 now we are doing the --




11:09:53 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: To get your investment back on the

11:09:56 96-gallon green cans plus.

11:09:59 Thank you very much.

11:09:59 Continue.

11:09:59 >>TONJA BRICKHOUSE: Could I have the slide again, please?

11:10:09 The other thing I want to emphasize is we are partnering

11:10:12 with neighborhood services --

11:10:19 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Who is that guy on the right in the car?

11:10:21 >> Some guy that I saw at the household chemical and

11:10:25 electronics collection.

11:10:29 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I was actually doing it the right way.

11:10:32 [ Laughter ]

11:10:34 >>TONJA BRICKHOUSE: And, you know, the citizens -- it's

11:10:40 something that we talked about a month ago and now is ready

11:10:46 to come into fruition quite honestly.

11:10:48 Why are we doing this?

11:10:49 So we can get citizens, predominantly neighborhood

11:10:52 association presidents to understand more about the solid

11:10:55 waste system.

11:10:56 So then they can be more effective in their areas, and

11:10:59 helping us educate people on solid waste programs.

11:11:02 But what I want to do is just emphasize, I think Mike is

11:11:09 going to be one of the first ones that does the ride-along,

11:11:13 where they Don the apparel, get on the truck and see solid

11:11:19 waste from the driver's perspective in the city.




11:11:22 So I expect to get some good feedback and some good

11:11:26 community engagement not only from the standpoint of

11:11:30 exposing solid waste but also to listen to find out what the

11:11:33 ideas are out there about how we can improve some things.

11:11:36 One of the things that I find out, I always find out illegal

11:11:40 dumping spots, wherever, just by listening, hey, this is

11:11:47 going on, et cetera, et cetera.

11:11:48 The good news -- and I am going to back to illegal dumping

11:11:53 briefly -- is that our cameras that we will be using -- and

11:11:56 you will hear more about that when we have success with this

11:11:58 program -- will be mobile enough to be able to change

11:12:02 locations throughout the city.

11:12:03 And so again I know we talked about resources but we are

11:12:10 trying to link with TPD, trying to link with other

11:12:12 departments and be smart about how we do some of the

11:12:15 abatement programs.

11:12:16 But the citizens ride along program is going to help us in

11:12:21 these endeavors.

11:12:24 This last slide, I am not going to read it.

11:12:27 Way want to do is just emphasize that solid waste is

11:12:30 changing, evolving and maturing.

11:12:33 And when I go back and I look at 2008, which is when my

11:12:39 clock begins, and then I go to where we are now, I see it

11:12:43 changing and evolving in terms of structure.

11:12:45 I see us changing, evolving and maturing in terms of




11:12:51 efficiencies.

11:12:51 I see plenty of opportunities for us to just continue to be

11:12:57 good stewards for solid waste collection disposal and the

11:13:02 environment here in the City of Tampa.

11:13:04 But I wanted to leave you all with this slide before I

11:13:09 entertain any questions that you might have.

11:13:16 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Ms. Capin?

11:13:19 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Thank you for the presentation.

11:13:20 And, you know, the request was to show how the city is

11:13:25 saving public money.

11:13:27 The first slide was spending $7.34 million for different

11:13:40 station renovations, upgrades, construction of recycling

11:13:47 facilities.

11:13:49 So when we spend $7.34 million on all of those three, at

11:13:58 what point will the city see the savings to them?

11:14:03 Do we have anything on that?

11:14:05 >>TONJA BRICKHOUSE: At what point will the city see

11:14:09 savings?

11:14:12 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Uh-huh.

11:14:13 >>TONJA BRICKHOUSE: There are a number of initiatives --

11:14:21 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Ms. Little?

11:14:25 I have more.

11:14:26 Just save it and we'll go.

11:14:27 Route optimization, which is a very good thing.

11:14:33 And total savings within five-year period is $2 million.




11:14:38 The investment is $1.5 million over five years.

11:14:43 So the return is half a million dollars.

11:14:46 If the investment is 1.5 million over five years and the

11:14:52 savings over five years is $2 million, is that over and

11:14:56 above the 1.5 million?

11:14:59 Or -- that we spent?

11:15:03 >>TONJA BRICKHOUSE: It shun over and above the 1.5 million.

11:15:06 And you have been provided, I think, an extensive update on

11:15:11 the GPS route optimization.

11:15:14 I think we provided to council members and I can pull that

11:15:18 information out and come back and go through that to show

11:15:21 you how we got to that.

11:15:23 I don't have that with me today.

11:15:24 But that is realizing in terms of efficiencies and gains

11:15:30 from routes, fuel, all those things included.

11:15:38 >>YVONNE CAPIN: So that 2 million should reflect over and

11:15:40 above the 1.5 million that's spent?

11:15:42 >>TONJA BRICKHOUSE: That's invested in it, yes.

11:15:47 >>YVONNE CAPIN: On the three-year contract, $5 million with

11:15:50 republic, you know, Chairman Miranda brought up the

11:15:57 building.

11:16:00 This is sewing I asked about building, about our solid waste

11:16:08 being built.

11:16:09 For instance, and one of the things I asked about was the

11:16:16 temporary workers, and how do we track that?




11:16:20 And I have never gotten an answer.

11:16:22 >> You mean temporary workers --

11:16:25 >>YVONNE CAPIN: If you contract with a temporary workforce

11:16:33 company to supply workers when they are either on vacation

11:16:39 or sick, how do we track that what we are being billed?

11:16:46 >> We get an invoice from the labor force company.

11:16:51 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Exactly.

11:16:51 The same way we got an invoice from waste management.

11:16:54 >>TONJA BRICKHOUSE: Yes.

11:16:56 But those people when they show up, we have an accounting of

11:16:59 how many we use on a daily basis, and that has to be audited

11:17:02 and vetted when the invoice comes in.

11:17:04 So that process, that's how we do that.

11:17:08 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I think that's an area that could probably

11:17:10 use auditing.

11:17:13 When you say that we obtained city-wide recycling goals of

11:17:16 75% by 2020, and right now, we are at 76% on the routes that

11:17:22 are there, and, you know, I think that reflects, because the

11:17:26 routes that we put out are the routes that we are recycling

11:17:30 already very heavily.

11:17:31 >>TONJA BRICKHOUSE: Well, the whole intent --

11:17:35 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Yes or no?

11:17:37 >>TONJA BRICKHOUSE: The whole intent was to reward the ones

11:17:39 that have been faithful to the program in the first place.

11:17:43 So yes, we did hit the highest participation rate routes




11:17:48 throughout the city in all four quadrants of the city.

11:17:51 So when we start phase 3 in November, we'll see what this

11:17:56 campaign has done to impact, not only on the other routes

11:18:03 but also the education that we continue to do, to see what

11:18:06 that does on those other routes that have more

11:18:09 participation.

11:18:10 But what we have seen as part of recycling in other

11:18:15 municipalities -- and I will just use Miami-Dade as an

11:18:18 example since Miami came up earlier -- is across the board,

11:18:23 roughly a 50% increase in recycling participation.

11:18:28 And so --

11:18:31 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I brought that up three years ago I brought

11:18:35 up Miami-Dade and that percentage.

11:18:40 I knew that three years ago.

11:18:41 >>TONJA BRICKHOUSE: Right.

11:18:43 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Here at the dais I brought that up, the

11:18:46 recycling that was happening in Miami-Dade, and it's taken

11:18:49 us three years plus.

11:18:51 >>TONJA BRICKHOUSE: It's taken us three years because solid

11:18:57 waste up until 2005 had not had a rate increase.

11:19:00 So to be able to do any of the programs that you may have

11:19:04 seen in other municipalities, you have to have the rate

11:19:10 structure and the finances of the solid waste in order to

11:19:15 implement some of those programs.

11:19:16 So again, the decisions that this council made to increase




11:19:20 the rates so that we can get our solid waste system healthy

11:19:25 and then fund it for the things that the bond covenant

11:19:28 requires, that's why we are able to do the programs that we

11:19:32 are talking about here today.

11:19:37 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Thank you for that.

11:19:37 I know I am just -- on the illegal dumping, I know we have a

11:19:44 process -- and I understand on private property, going on

11:19:48 there.

11:19:49 But if there is dumping on the right-of-way, do we pick it

11:19:53 up?

11:19:54 >>TONJA BRICKHOUSE: Yes.

11:19:56 >>YVONNE CAPIN: And whatever it is, chair --

11:19:58 >>TONJA BRICKHOUSE: We pick it up.

11:20:00 And what happens is with whether you call in, whether I call

11:20:03 in when I am driving in, whether we identify it ourselves

11:20:07 with our solid waste code enforcement, employees, clean

11:20:12 city, or department, anybody, we pick it up, but the

11:20:16 process -- and this is what I was talking about, the concern

11:20:20 about be how long it's out there.

11:20:21 Right now the way the code is written is that when we see

11:20:24 it, we have to tag it and give that citizen the opportunity

11:20:33 to remove it.

11:20:34 >>TONJA BRICKHOUSE: Even on the right-of-way?

11:20:39 >>TONJA BRICKHOUSE: Even on the right-of-way.

11:20:40 So what I am working with legal on is getting the right




11:20:44 words together so we can compress that time limit because I

11:20:50 want to do what you all want to do.

11:20:52 We want to get it cleaned up as quickly as possible.

11:20:56 >>YVONNE CAPIN: But didn't you tell me at one point that we

11:20:59 own all the garbage in the city, that we own -- when it's

11:21:05 garbage, the City of Tampa owns the garbage?

11:21:09 >>TONJA BRICKHOUSE: When we collect it, it becomes City of

11:21:11 Tampa's, yes.

11:21:12 >> Until we collect it, it does not become City of Tampa's?

11:21:17 >>TONJA BRICKHOUSE: Right.

11:21:18 >>YVONNE CAPIN: On the right-of-way we cannot pick up unless

11:21:21 it is tagged and it goes through a process.

11:21:22 >>TONJA BRICKHOUSE: What happens is, if it's something

11:21:25 illegally dumped our code enforcement will mark it.

11:21:28 If you see a red exclamation that means that we know about

11:21:31 it.

11:21:31 We have identified it and we put in the our solid waste

11:21:34 system to be addressed.

11:21:36 But the way code is written now, you have got to get seven

11:21:40 days because if it's outside your residence, I don't know if

11:21:46 you have already contracted for somebody to pick it up.

11:21:50 So the way the code is written now, it gives the citizen the

11:21:53 opportunity to take care of it.

11:21:55 And so when we go back for the follow-on inspection, now we

11:22:00 generate a work order.




11:22:05 >>YVONNE CAPIN: My trash is picked up twice a week on

11:22:07 Tuesdays and Fridays.

11:22:08 One of my neighbors has had three broken chairs in their

11:22:12 right-of-way for two months.

11:22:14 Are you telling me that that pickup truck does not see that,

11:22:20 around the corner with a box spring and a mattress?

11:22:23 Across the street from that, they emptied out a foreclosed

11:22:27 home.

11:22:27 And they had boards and trash all over the place.

11:22:32 It's picked up twice a week.

11:22:34 Nobody saw it.

11:22:35 It's never been tagged.

11:22:36 It hasn't been picked up.

11:22:37 It has nothing has happened.

11:22:46 So, yes, thank you very much.

11:22:48 That is my point, it happens everywhere.

11:22:50 But does the collector not have -- they need to have a

11:22:56 responsibility --

11:23:00 >>TONJA BRICKHOUSE: What should be happening is when they

11:23:01 see that stuff on the right-of-way, what should be happening

11:23:03 is that driver that's collecting the trash should be calling

11:23:07 in to centralized dispatch saying it looks like illegal

11:23:11 dumping.

11:23:12 So I will go back.

11:23:13 I'll take that in.




11:23:14 And I will go back to my residential team and see how we are

11:23:19 identifying -- how they specifically, because code

11:23:22 enforcement, you know, I got five code enforcement officers

11:23:26 for the entire city.

11:23:27 It takes all their eyes to be able to address this problem.

11:23:31 I'll go back and find out what we are doing, what the

11:23:36 process is for calling in, because I know what is supposed

11:23:39 to be happening.

11:23:40 I have to find out --

11:23:42 >>YVONNE CAPIN: The way you worded it, it sounded like you

11:23:45 didn't know what the process was.

11:23:47 >>TONJA BRICKHOUSE: No, no.

11:23:51 You tell me you see stuff on the right-of-way that doesn't

11:23:53 have a red X on it that nothing is happening with it, I need

11:23:57 to go back and check my process for how my drivers are

11:24:01 identifying illegal dumping on the right-of-way.

11:24:05 And they are going and doing their regular residential

11:24:07 collection.

11:24:08 They still have a responsibility to call the other things

11:24:11 in.

11:24:14 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Okay.

11:24:16 Let's see what I have.

11:24:21 That was it.

11:24:22 Thank you.

11:24:22 And I appreciate you being forthcoming with me, with all my




11:24:30 questions.

11:24:31 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Mrs. Montelione, let me say before I go

11:24:33 to Mrs. Montelione, I have 6 and 7.

11:24:35 6 is scheduled for an hour.

11:24:37 7 is transportation division on red light cameras.

11:24:40 So we have a lengthy meeting this evening.

11:24:43 But I want to stop this meeting at 12:00 and come back at

11:24:46 1:30.

11:24:47 And then we are going to start back at 6:00.

11:24:50 Mrs. Montelione.

11:24:50 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Five.

11:24:54 Maybe we won't be here till 11:30.

11:24:59 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Yes, we will.

11:24:59 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I plan on starting at five maybe to help

11:25:03 that.

11:25:05 What Mrs. Capin was talking about was trash out in front of

11:25:10 the houses, and it's all over, and one thing I'm thinking is

11:25:15 that -- not just, you know, in defense is that drivers

11:25:20 probably don't look at that as illegal dumping, because --

11:25:24 and it's on a vacant lot or it's piled up next to a

11:25:27 commercial dumpster or somewhere, those obviously illegal

11:25:31 dumping.

11:25:32 But when you have people who own the houses, like the folks

11:25:36 with the foreclosed home, the bank or whoever bought that

11:25:38 house has the responsibility to pay for that, pick up the




11:25:45 call, and those -- you know, where do you draw the line

11:25:49 between what's called illegal dumping and what isn't?

11:25:51 So, you know, the process is very hard.

11:25:57 And one thing I wanted to point out, too, is that you said I

11:26:01 have five code enforcement officers.

11:26:03 I never quite understood when I did my ride-along, why do we

11:26:08 have code enforcement, code enforcement officers, and then

11:26:13 we have solid waste code enforcement officers?

11:26:17 And it would seem to me that maybe has the code enforcement

11:26:23 officers who work for code enforcement and the soiled waste

11:26:26 code enforcement officers be one team?

11:26:28 Because, you know, then they are out more frequently, they

11:26:32 cover more parts of the city, they are, you know, familiar

11:26:35 with the neighborhoods, it just seems to make more sense to

11:26:39 me to have that consolidation of code enforcement, and not

11:26:43 have a separation of the two.

11:26:45 And I joked to the folks that I was riding with that I was

11:26:49 going to go to Home Depot and buy myself a whole bunch of

11:26:54 cans of red paint and put them in my car, so that when I saw

11:26:58 what I now was illegal dumping I would mark that little red

11:27:03 X all over everything and then solid waste would know, hey,

11:27:06 we can pick up that.

11:27:07 But I was discouraged by doing that by the officer I was

11:27:10 riding with.

11:27:11 So it's just some suggestions that we absolutely need to do




11:27:14 something.

11:27:16 And when did you say that provision of the code was going to

11:27:19 come?

11:27:21 >>TONJA BRICKHOUSE: I didn't give a time.

11:27:23 My goal is to have it completed by December 2013.

11:27:25 >>LISA MONTELIONE: We might want to move that up a bit so

11:27:29 we'll talk to the legal department.

11:27:30 I spend quality time with Ernie now adays that he's handling

11:27:34 land use cases and we'll see if we can get that moved up.

11:27:39 Thanks.

11:27:40 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Anyone else?

11:27:41 I have got 33 minutes.

11:27:46 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I am going to finish up.

11:27:47 I have a few.

11:27:48 Since we are going to 1:30.

11:27:50 >> See all the camera crews.

11:27:54 >>YVONNE CAPIN: On illegal dumping I want to point something

11:27:56 out.

11:27:57 You said one of the things was going through the illegal

11:28:02 dumping where people leave envelopes with their address.

11:28:07 I have owned a property, a commercial property for 31 years,

11:28:12 and I have a commercial dumpster in the back of that

11:28:15 property.

11:28:16 And people, they have locks and they break the locks and

11:28:22 dump in it.




11:28:23 For 31 years myself and my husband have been going through

11:28:26 the garbage.

11:28:27 We look for their addresses.

11:28:28 And I have personally taken the garbage to their homes.

11:28:31 So, yes, that is very effective.

11:28:34 Thank you.

11:28:36 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: All right. Anyone else?

11:28:37 I believe we have done 4 and 5 at once.

11:28:41 Did you discuss 4 and 5?

11:28:43 >>TONJA BRICKHOUSE: Yes.

11:28:45 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Anyone else, council members, any other

11:28:47 questions?

11:28:48 Thank you so much.

11:28:49 I appreciate it.

11:28:49 >>TONJA BRICKHOUSE: Thank you all for your time.

11:28:53 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you.

11:28:53 Item 6 is scheduled for one hour, as I read it so we are

11:28:58 going to hold that till 1:30.

11:29:00 Yes, sir?

11:29:01 >> I think we can get it done in the half hour.

11:29:05 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Well, 6.

11:29:10 You have got the Nebraska Avenue renaming.

11:29:12 It's not going to be a half hour.

11:29:15 Item 7.

11:29:16 We'll hold 6:00 till 1:30.




11:29:22 We were told to come back in an hour and the hour is here.

11:29:25 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I believe they were told, that's why the

11:29:32 news cameras were all leaving, that 7 was going to be heard

11:29:35 after lunch, and that we were going to take 6.

11:29:40 That's why all the news cameras left.

11:29:42 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Well, if they left, they left.

11:29:44 7.

11:29:45 Anyone from the city that's still alive that wants to talk

11:29:48 on 7, they were told in an hour.

11:29:54 They wanted me to move it up and I told them not because I

11:29:56 had one department head versus another department head and

11:29:58 it was scheduled that way and I was going to take them that

11:30:01 way, and it would take at least another hour.

11:30:07 We'll start with 6.

11:30:08 We'll go to 12 and then break till 1:30.

11:30:11 Yes, sir.

11:30:11 >>RANDY GOERS: City planning division.

11:30:17 I have a short presentation on the Invision Tampa plan.

11:30:42 Afterwards we'll have a status report on the Nebraska

11:30:44 Hillsborough corridor plan.

11:30:45 This is the study area, the central business district and

11:30:49 neighborhoods that surround the central business district.

11:30:52 This is our consulting team led and they have done an

11:30:57 compensational job with us, a great partnership.

11:31:00 After our presentation before I take questions I would like




11:31:02 to introduce the manager.

11:31:06 A few words to speak on their behalf.

11:31:09 We started this process about a year ago, and we began

11:31:12 working with the public in a variety of different ways to

11:31:15 get out and talk to the public.

11:31:16 And hear their concerns and issues.

11:31:20 We began with a brief -- briefed organizations about the

11:31:24 process at the beginning and talked about how they can stay

11:31:26 involved and keep up to date on the activities of the

11:31:29 planning process.

11:31:31 We then held four large community meetings on what it takes

11:31:34 to become a 21st century city.

11:31:36 We went out in the public, in the neighborhoods, throughout

11:31:40 the streets with the residents to get an idea of what the

11:31:43 neighborhood thought in their perspective.

11:31:46 Came back and the residents, began planning the future of

11:31:51 their neighborhood, and what it would take to make changes

11:31:53 of where they wanted it.

11:31:56 We took cameras to resident and asked them to take pictures

11:32:01 of things that they valued so we could understand what was

11:32:03 hang in their community.

11:32:04 We engaged very actively, social media, and we found it to

11:32:09 be a very effective way to reach out and engage in

11:32:12 conversations with our constituents.

11:32:16 We have an online town hall where we asked people to give




11:32:21 suggestions about the future of downtown, and people engaged

11:32:24 and gave us ideas and comments that we were able to use in

11:32:28 the planning process.

11:32:29 And we also had -- would educate and inform residents about

11:32:38 principles of planning and even a contest to produce videos

11:32:42 and show us what was important about their community.

11:32:44 Throughout the process, we listened to the residents, and

11:32:47 those that participated for ideas about the future.

11:32:50 We responded with a plan that addressed the concerns that we

11:32:53 heard.

11:32:55 On November 27th we presented that plan to the

11:32:57 community.

11:33:00 The engagement didn't stop there.

11:33:02 Since January 1st, we have been going back out into the

11:33:04 public in small groups, presenting the plan, and the

11:33:07 recommendations to professional organizations, neighborhood

11:33:11 organizations.

11:33:11 And we are still going out in the public.

11:33:13 We'll still go out and meet with people or organizations

11:33:15 that they want us to come out to explain the plan or give

11:33:18 them project updates.

11:33:21 We partner with Middleton high school on a project to get

11:33:24 them involved in site design and urban planning.

11:33:27 They worked on a project along Hillsborough Avenue to give

11:33:31 them a little bit of training on a real live situation.




11:33:34 We traveled to Washington, D.C. to meet with the 300-plus

11:33:39 grantees of the sustainable communities program.

11:33:41 While in Washington we presented a draft of the plan to the

11:33:44 director of that office.

11:33:46 We are very pleased that HUD has chosen to highlight our

11:33:49 projects right now on our web page, giving us national

11:33:52 exposure.

11:33:53 And we are also very pleased with the amount of coverage

11:33:56 that we have been enjoyed in the process.

11:34:01 To get the message out to the public and make sure that

11:34:04 people are well informed of what we are doing.

11:34:06 Next month we are pleased that we are going to be featured

11:34:09 in the Planning magazine, to give us a little more national

11:34:13 exposure of our project.

11:34:14 Before I get into the actual project, I need to acknowledge

11:34:20 really the stars of this planning process, the people that

11:34:23 came to all the meetings, people that came out and walked

11:34:25 with us, people that stayed engaged last year and still

11:34:28 staying engaged.

11:34:30 In the plan is an acknowledgment section.

11:34:32 These are the list of individuals who came to all their

11:34:35 meetings and signed in, in our sign-in sheet.

11:34:38 It doesn't represent everyone that participated but

11:34:41 sometimes people don't like to sign in.

11:34:42 It doesn't represent all the people that participated online




11:34:46 but it shows the tremendous amount of interest that our

11:34:49 process has had over the last year and Rile really reflect

11:34:53 the care and commitment that people have in their

11:34:55 neighborhood, and make the center city a better place.

11:35:00 Let me tell you a little about the plans.

11:35:01 This is downtown today.

11:35:04 The downtown of tomorrow is going to be much different, a

11:35:06 little more like this.

11:35:07 We are still going to have people working in downtown.

11:35:09 There's going to be a lot more families, a lot more

11:35:12 children, and a lot more college kids, a lot more people

11:35:14 just coming looking for things to do, more seniors, more

11:35:17 people on bikes and alternative modes of travel and even

11:35:21 more dogs.

11:35:21 What that means is the downtown future is going to require

11:35:25 us to have broader services than we are providing today.

11:35:30 One thing that we learned in our process is that in order to

11:35:33 achieve a vision for tomorrow, we have to change the way we

11:35:36 approach the park planning.

11:35:39 We can no longer plan for the downtown of the past.

11:35:41 We have to make changes in order to plan for the downtown of

11:35:44 the future.

11:35:46 So here are some of the key consents of the plan.

11:35:48 The plan talks about north downtown village that extends

11:35:52 from Ybor City to the north part of downtown, across the




11:35:55 river into West Tampa.

11:35:56 The river is really seen as a scene that joins communities,

11:36:02 a divided community.

11:36:04 The south district is really more of an entertainment

11:36:06 oriented area where people are coming for places to do,

11:36:11 things to see and so forth.

11:36:14 On the west side of the river, appears to be district,

11:36:19 another district that really reflects the district between

11:36:25 university of Tampa, Tampa General and residential

11:36:28 development on the west side of the river.

11:36:30 Very few cities in the country have dynamic, this close to

11:36:34 the urban core.

11:36:35 And we are going to see a lot of really significant changes

11:36:37 in our downtown area, because of what's happening in this

11:36:41 aerial right now.

11:36:43 We also have the large redevelopment site areas, areas that

11:36:48 are fairly large, that maybe have a few property owners or

11:36:52 they have a few portions that can really make some changes.

11:36:55 Some of them are really in redevelopment phase, or others

11:37:00 awaiting for something to change in the future.

11:37:02 What's important, these areas, when they do change, they are

11:37:05 going to have a significant impact on the area of the

11:37:09 surrounding and need to make sure that when changes do

11:37:12 occur, they are occurring in a manner which is creating

11:37:15 value for the community and creating this integrating the




11:37:18 fabric of the communities.

11:37:22 So this is our vision for the future.

11:37:27 Downtown, we have community places, collaborative progress,

11:37:34 and the riverfront, we want strong urban neighborhoods, we

11:37:40 want a downtown corridor that has a strong pedestrian

11:37:44 environment.

11:37:45 We want strong connections between our neighborhoods.

11:37:48 And we want to create places that can support transit in the

11:37:51 future.

11:37:53 When you look at the plan, the plan has these Ford moves

11:38:01 that can move us forward in the vision.

11:38:03 This is an example of the plan.

11:38:07 There's the description of the forward moves, and actions

11:38:13 that are already underway, some suggestions for the future

11:38:14 to move us forward.

11:38:15 Some of these recommendations have to do with the

11:38:17 waterfront, trying to create more access and more inviting

11:38:21 waterfront to get people down to the waterfront, actually

11:38:24 get them into the water.

11:38:25 Look for place as long the water that can retrofit, places

11:38:28 where there's no activity today, where web make create a

11:38:31 restaurant or area where people can get down to the water.

11:38:35 We want to encourage new development along the waterfront.

11:38:37 We want to make sure that the water is for public use, to

11:38:44 maintain and enjoy the public edge.




11:38:46 Walk along our public space as long the waterfront.

11:38:48 Look for opportunities that we can reconnect.

11:38:51 Reconnect spaces with the public and create really great

11:38:54 urban space as long the waterfront, and great parks in our

11:38:58 community.

11:39:01 Also our connections, especially in downtown.

11:39:04 We have a lot of great activity centers that attract people

11:39:07 downtown.

11:39:07 But when they leave, the streets encourage people to leave

11:39:13 the entire area.

11:39:13 So we can look over time how we can create streets to invite

11:39:18 people to stay downtown especially in the entertainment

11:39:22 activities centers.

11:39:23 We want to rethink the capacity, especially a street about

11:39:29 how many people, how many retail establishments, how many

11:39:34 parks, how many kids, bikes and so forth.

11:39:36 We need to look at how streets can promote the realm of

11:39:41 social and economic life.

11:39:42 And these are some of the complete streets, the idea that a

11:39:45 street should be designed for everybody for a variety of

11:39:47 different pursuance.

11:39:48 But really, we are moving towards a broader of complete

11:39:52 streets, where it isn't just what happens between the curb,

11:39:54 but what happened between the buildings, so that we have

11:39:58 street design to promote the right kind of social and




11:40:01 economic activity that we are trying to encourage.

11:40:03 This happens, as an example of how this can happen, you

11:40:10 determine what you are truck to encourage in terms of the

11:40:12 land use or the activities.

11:40:13 Make sure there's enough space for the cars.

11:40:15 Make sure there's enough space for bicycles, and walking

11:40:19 zone or retail zone, that over time, what we are trying to

11:40:20 achieve will occur.

11:40:27 Some of these recommendations are pretty simple.

11:40:29 Trying to create some framing of the streets, to try to give

11:40:32 it some character and some form.

11:40:33 Others a little more dramatic like this along Palm Avenue

11:40:36 that might be turned into a boulevard to really encourage

11:40:39 redevelopment.

11:40:40 Others a little more strategic. Along Willow Avenue, trying

11:40:47 to encourage or support the evolution of the design center,

11:40:48 some things that we can do to --to give it more destination

11:40:53 or focal point or sense of place.

11:40:56 We also have a recommendation to look at Florida and Tampa

11:40:58 street.

11:40:59 Right now they are one-way streets.

11:41:01 Look at the possibility of turning them into two-way streets

11:41:03 where they were historically, and that might again,

11:41:09 returning value back to the community.

11:41:10 It the streets still function but becomes an asset to the




11:41:14 community.

11:41:15 We have a recommendation to look at a separated cycle track

11:41:20 from the armory all the way to Cuscaden to the park.

11:41:26 This is from Indianapolis.

11:41:29 If you are an avid bicyclist you don't have a problem

11:41:31 getting on the street but fur a parent or kid, getting on

11:41:35 the street can be pretty intimidating.

11:41:38 Separated cycle track provides safety and allows people from

11:41:40 all different experiences with bicycles to be able to use

11:41:43 it.

11:41:44 And there's also a recommendation to look at transit.

11:41:47 An east-west transit, rubber tire transit, to really connect

11:41:49 the activity on the west side of the river to the core and

11:41:53 to the Channel District.

11:41:56 These are a few recommendations in the plan.

11:41:59 And encourage you to take a look when you are able to.

11:42:02 When we talk about implementing the plan, this is downtown

11:42:04 Tampa. 20 years ago. 1992.

11:42:08 Some of you who were around at that time can remember it was

11:42:13 pretty much a working downtown, the downtown was pretty much

11:42:18 vacant warehouses, where the Marriott sits today, it was

11:42:22 completely vacant.

11:42:26 Harbor Island was only about 40% developed.

11:42:28 The Channel District was still a warehouse district.

11:42:32 But fast forward 20 years you get a sense of what can happen




11:42:35 in 20 years.

11:42:36 You can see the entire Harbor Island, completely built up.

11:42:40 Everything in the southern part of downtown and the channel

11:42:42 district is new.

11:42:42 And what that means is we have a plan, this is a 20 year

11:42:47 plan, not a one-year plan.

11:42:48 It's a long-term plan.

11:42:49 When we talk about some of the changes, and some of the

11:42:52 major changes that could occur, and people ask, how is all

11:42:55 of this going to happen?

11:42:56 How is this going to happen because of time.

11:42:58 We are going to be able to achieve the vision because of

11:43:00 time and because of the forces that are active in downtown

11:43:03 Tampa today.

11:43:04 Really very positive forces where development is going to

11:43:06 occur over time.

11:43:08 And help us achieve a vision.

11:43:10 However, we can do some things to make it happen quicker,

11:43:14 make it happen easier, better and faster.

11:43:18 These things evolving alignment within the city, within our

11:43:22 department, to make sure we are doing things that reinforce

11:43:24 the vision.

11:43:25 It's all for getting other agencies to align their decisions

11:43:28 to help support the vision.

11:43:30 We want to seek the right partnership.




11:43:32 Partnerships with HUD, and other federal agencies, state

11:43:35 agencies.

11:43:36 And also with private developers to be able to achieve

11:43:41 things, leverage our investments, making sure that the

11:43:43 expenditures that we are putting into the area are

11:43:45 generating either economic value or they are generating

11:43:48 other investments, other agencies, and we need community

11:43:52 vision keepers, the people that ensure that we are staying

11:43:55 on track over the next 20 years.

11:44:00 An example of vision keepers come into play.

11:44:03 We heard the story already, 40 years in the making, and a

11:44:05 year from now it will be finished.

11:44:07 But along the way, individuals and people in the private

11:44:13 sector and the community which always set kept that vision

11:44:17 at the forefront.

11:44:18 They didn't have all the answers when the Riverwalk started,

11:44:22 how it was going to get funded, how it was going to work,

11:44:25 but yet stayed as an important project and found its way to

11:44:28 completion.

11:44:28 Some of the projects that are in the plan are going to be

11:44:30 like that.

11:44:30 We don't have the exact answer how they are going to work

11:44:33 today.

11:44:33 We just know they are important and going to begin looking

11:44:35 through some problem solving.




11:44:37 What's important for the community, elect elected officials,

11:44:40 for the future, they stay committed to the vision so that we

11:44:43 can move forward on it.

11:44:45 Our next step is we would like to bring a resolution to you

11:44:51 sometime in the next few weeks to accept the center city

11:44:55 vision plan as a vision for downtown Tampa, for the urban

11:44:59 core.

11:44:59 We would like to have that because it gives us the ability

11:45:02 to begin moving forward in amending some of the long range

11:45:05 plans, long range transportation plan to start that

11:45:08 alignment process, that also helps, start working on the

11:45:12 strategic plan, the sort of how-to, how we get some of these

11:45:15 things done.

11:45:16 And also help in our partnership with HUD, the program which

11:45:19 is funding this project around the country, HUD is looking

11:45:23 for communities that are committed to the vision of the

11:45:25 plans that they are funding, so having a resolution, I think

11:45:31 puts us in good position with HUD in the future in terms of

11:45:34 other funding opportunities and programs as well.

11:45:39 So before I take any questions, I would like to introduce

11:45:42 Pete Seifert, the project manager, and have him give you a

11:45:48 few perspectives.

11:45:50 >> Thank you.

11:45:53 I will be very brief.

11:45:53 It's been a great privilege to work with the community and




11:45:56 work with the city.

11:45:58 I love Tampa.

11:45:59 I think the future is bright.

11:46:01 I think the detail ideas that appear in the plan are really

11:46:07 just representative of larger quality of life types of

11:46:12 things that we heard from the community.

11:46:15 So I think the principals and the building blocks that are

11:46:19 in the plan are of paramount importance.

11:46:21 Don't get too caught up in all the nuances of a given image

11:46:25 that you might see in the forward move.

11:46:27 The forward moves were an attempt to put together some

11:46:31 specific recommendations, based on input, to really

11:46:34 implement the overarching ideas of the building blocks.

11:46:40 It's been wonderful to work with the community.

11:46:41 I do feel like a lot of people are behind the plan, they

11:46:44 understand the plan.

11:46:46 And I think from the consultant side, our consultant team,

11:46:50 and right on down to the folks that we continue to interact

11:46:53 with, people are feeling very positive about the direction

11:46:55 of Tampa.

11:46:57 The last thing I'll say, I really, really enjoyed working

11:47:00 with Randy.

11:47:01 He's very passionate, very committed, very thoughtful.

11:47:04 We have learned a lot from each other.

11:47:06 And I will close by saying that I think one thing that Randy




11:47:09 may have learned from me in the last year is I think he just

11:47:13 did about 75 slides in 15 minutes.

11:47:16 I don't believe that would have been possible a year ago.

11:47:19 So he's adopted our technique of presentation, which is

11:47:23 bang, bang, bang.

11:47:24 So thank you very much.

11:47:25 And we will be happy to talk about anything that you want to

11:47:28 bring up.

11:47:29 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have got Mulhern, Capin, Suarez,

11:47:32 Reddick, Montelione, and Cohen, in that order.

11:47:35 >>MARY MULHERN: Thank you for teaching Mr. Goers that.

11:47:39 We appreciate it, the fast talking, right?

11:47:43 This was fantastic.

11:47:45 I'm really, really happy with it.

11:47:48 I'm glad we got to make use of that funding that was

11:47:55 supposed to go toward high-speed rail station, correct?

11:48:00 Let me just say the really good things I see in this are

11:48:04 things that a lot of people, especially Linda Saul-Sena and

11:48:13 others have been asking for and trying to make part of our

11:48:16 planning for years, and Mr. Goers and other people in our

11:48:19 planning division.

11:48:20 So I think that it's really great to see it adapted as a

11:48:28 plan.

11:48:29 I am really thrilled about the Tampa, Florida, looking at

11:48:34 that as a two-way street, because I brought that up, and I




11:48:38 think in 2007, and we were looking at that with the MPO

11:48:44 board, and there wasn't a lot of interest in it, but I think

11:48:48 that it makes a lot of sense, and I'm really glad you are

11:48:50 doing it.

11:48:51 I'm glad that all the bicycle access, everything about this

11:48:54 is great.

11:48:55 But I have just a couple of questions.

11:49:01 And this is sort of my recurring problem as we do try to

11:49:09 move forward redeveloping the City of Tampa.

11:49:12 And, you know, we are an urban, and especially talking about

11:49:22 the most historic part of urban Tampa.

11:49:29 Was there a historic framework, in assessing the historic

11:49:34 pattern, the fabric of the historic pattern of, you know,

11:49:38 starting from the original historic pattern of when --

11:49:43 basically when the streets were laid and the first buildings

11:49:45 were put in.

11:49:46 Was that part of your framework?

11:49:48 >> Yes, based on this, quite a bit of work and looking at

11:49:56 the grids, in fact, during one of our community meetings,

11:50:02 one of their consultants led a discussion about

11:50:04 transportation improvements, and returning communities back

11:50:08 to more of a historic pattern via the grid.

11:50:11 The plan talked about the areas where we should look at how

11:50:14 we can restore the grid and create, you know, better blocks,

11:50:18 better redevelopment blocks, and also create some




11:50:20 opportunities for redevelopment as well.

11:50:21 >>MARY MULHERN: So you think of this as sort of a long-term

11:50:27 master plan for the long-term, for the future, right?

11:50:30 So this is my question that I started to ask and then I got

11:50:33 sidetracked by myself, that especially since we use transit

11:50:38 money to fund this, what was originally going to be for

11:50:42 transit, which our metropolitan area is the only one of our

11:50:49 size in the country that doesn't have some kind of rail

11:50:52 system.

11:50:53 When you talk about transit in here, did you mention the

11:51:00 streets at all?

11:51:01 And did you just say transit?

11:51:03 Or is there anything where you say rail?

11:51:06 Because I think it's important for us -- we are never going

11:51:09 to get there.

11:51:11 The City of Tampa can't even come out and say we noticed

11:51:14 rail.

11:51:14 >>RANDY GOERS: The money came from HUD.

11:51:18 So it wasn't a transit funding.

11:51:20 It was had you had dollars were sustainable communities,

11:51:24 creating better community.

11:51:25 >>MARY MULHERN: It was going to be for the rail, high-speed

11:51:30 rail station?

11:51:32 >>RANDY GOERS: Yes, not for transit specifically.

11:51:36 The question of transit was really not in terms of transit




11:51:41 from a larger picture goes beyond the scope of the study.

11:51:44 What we looked at is how can we create places that would

11:51:48 attract people so that when we put transit in, we would have

11:51:52 people that would use that mode?

11:51:54 So the chicken and the egg.

11:51:57 Is it transit first or land use?

11:51:59 We have addressed the question of land use in creating

11:52:01 places that would attract a variety of different users, bus,

11:52:07 rail, bike, people will be using that alternative mode of

11:52:11 transit.

11:52:11 The question about regional transit system is really kind

11:52:13 of -- it was going to come but it was beyond the scope of

11:52:18 this study to really get into how it was going to work, how

11:52:21 it was going to come into downtown and so forth.

11:52:23 >>MARY MULHERN: What about the streetcar?

11:52:27 >>RANDY GOERS: Streetcar we talked about during the

11:52:29 planning process.

11:52:30 It's not mentioned too much in the actual plan.

11:52:33 It was mentioned in some of the earlier presentations, that

11:52:38 it was an alternative mode of transfer.

11:52:41 We didn't get into recommendations on whether or not it was

11:52:44 the future of the streetcar.

11:52:45 Again, the information that we were getting, or it was

11:52:48 basically a service that people enjoyed using.

11:52:52 There were operational issues about costs, timing, all those




11:52:55 kinds of things, beyond the scope of their particular

11:52:58 contract.

11:52:59 I think they recognize those questions still needed to be

11:53:02 answered.

11:53:02 >> I just wondered, though, because we have it and we never

11:53:05 completed the loop, and because you are looking at where the

11:53:08 streetcar exists.

11:53:10 I mean, I wish you would have looked at that, and at

11:53:13 least -- I mean, recommended that it continue at least down

11:53:20 to the museum district, you know, down Ashley.

11:53:23 We have been talking about that in the MPO, and Hart and the

11:53:28 streetcar board since the streetcar was built.

11:53:31 So I'm a little disappointed in that.

11:53:39 Overall this looks good.

11:53:41 Then the really big question I have, you talked about the

11:53:44 Riverwalk, and the riverfront, but one of the -- I think --

11:53:51 and I'm sure this was the topic of discussion -- that one of

11:53:53 the great advantages that St. Petersburg has over Tampa is

11:53:57 that they protected their waterfront land, and it's all

11:54:03 owned by the city, and I think it's protected as parkland.

11:54:06 And I think this would have been a good opportunity for us

11:54:09 to encourage us to continue to do that rather than --

11:54:16 continuing as we did, and we regret all the time building,

11:54:21 building, building on the water instead of having the public

11:54:24 access on the water, and then the buildings just beyond




11:54:27 that.

11:54:28 So was there discussion about that?

11:54:32 >>RANDY GOERS: One of the drawbacks of going through the

11:54:35 slides so quickly is that I don't have an opportunity to

11:54:37 talk about all the contents of the plan.

11:54:40 The Riverwalk, the river place section of the plan talks

11:54:44 about maintaining and finding lands for park space, other

11:54:49 park space, land that city does control.

11:54:51 It also employs this concept that our riverfront really is

11:54:56 more than what happens along the riverfront.

11:54:59 It's really what's happening five and six blocks into the

11:55:02 river, where people in the downtown areas all feel like they

11:55:05 have a Riverwalk address, and it's done by the fact that

11:55:08 they feel they can get to river quickly, easily, and they

11:55:11 can enjoy it, once they get there, there's things to do.

11:55:14 So we are not like many other cities where we have certain

11:55:19 facets.

11:55:20 So we have to create the kind of Riverwalk environment that

11:55:23 we think we can achieve here.

11:55:24 And the point is to make this river a center --

11:55:28 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have six minutes till 12:00.

11:55:30 We went through the slides real quick.

11:55:32 But you give me a history lesson.

11:55:34 >>MARY MULHERN: Okay, thanks.

11:55:36 That was great.




11:55:36 >>RANDY GOERS: Thank you.

11:55:39 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Mrs. Capin?

11:55:43 >>YVONNE CAPIN: (off microphone)

11:55:46 The citizens advisory committee on cultural assets.

11:55:48 And that was the group that I initiated.

11:55:53 And it's economic impact of cultural assets.

11:55:56 But that would have taken too long.

11:55:58 But I appreciate being listed.

11:56:00 And it was a wonderful presentation.

11:56:02 I want to say very quickly on the Riverwalk, you know, you

11:56:06 said it was complete.

11:56:07 And I hope not.

11:56:09 I hope that the Riverwalk -- we have another 20 years where

11:56:13 we bring along through the west side of the river, and make

11:56:15 a loop, and just continue that river, that access to the

11:56:20 river there.

11:56:23 So in my estimation, it's not -- it isn't complete.

11:56:27 But we are complete on this side.

11:56:31 Maybe up to what we had hoped

11:56:33 One of the things, the mayor of Minneapolis was here and was

11:56:39 a keynote speaker at the EBC international in-town home

11:56:51 meeting.

11:56:51 And what I just read recently, Minneapolis has the highest

11:56:57 of fortune 500 company headquarters in the United States,

11:57:01 and their weather is horrible.




11:57:03 So do we have any office buildings that are proposed in the

11:57:10 city?

11:57:11 I know we have a lot of apartment buildings being proposed.

11:57:13 What do we have as far as work, office buildings?

11:57:20 >>RANDY GOERS: There was one that was proposed earlier in

11:57:23 the year, I think channel core company that was put on hold.

11:57:28 So I'm not sure what really is in the short term.

11:57:30 >> Put on hold but the apartment buildings aren't.

11:57:33 So I am trying to figure out, you know, is there a need for

11:57:37 all that apartment building?

11:57:40 Because are we losing a tenant in one place to move to

11:57:45 another?

11:57:46 Or we are not really bringing in new people with new jobs

11:57:49 into town.

11:57:51 That's one of my concerns with the office building.

11:57:54 And, of course, the other thing is that more and more of the

11:57:58 boomers for the past 66 years -- because that's where the

11:58:03 oldest boomer would be right now -- have had everything

11:58:09 continuing moving forward.

11:58:11 And they are ones of the ones revitalizing the urban core,

11:58:15 they are shunning the suburban dwelling.

11:58:20 And I saw, you know, I hear the mayor talking about young

11:58:24 people, young people, young people.

11:58:26 And that is very important.

11:58:27 But young people need jobs.




11:58:30 Again, I'd like to see more office buildings being proposed

11:58:35 for the core.

11:58:38 And, really, it's an excellent start, this Invision.

11:58:44 I want to point out that very quickly, if I get to this text

11:58:51 message that I got on May 18th, and it was -- or May

11:58:56 14th, and it had to do with a meeting that was being

11:59:01 held Invision project, and it was AECOM was at this meeting,

11:59:08 Invision project, and they were talking for the mayor is

11:59:14 here and announced that the city will be encouraging a Main

11:59:16 Street, name your street program.

11:59:19 Do you know anything about that?

11:59:21 And where your representative was on May 14?

11:59:26 Unfortunately when he texted me he didn't tell me exactly

11:59:29 where he was at.

11:59:30 But it was a presentation by AECOM and it was something

11:59:34 that's being done in San Francisco.

11:59:35 And this was brought up after I announced on the dais about

11:59:39 name change for Nebraska.

11:59:41 I'm just curious how that came about.

11:59:43 >>RANDY GOERS: I'm not sure.

11:59:46 But the only connection I can make is our presentation on

11:59:49 the Nebraska corridor plan, the consultant identified

11:59:53 different types of characters along Nebraska for planning

11:59:56 purposes, Hillsborough, the Boulevard area, and another area

12:00:03 calls at Main Street area, another part is called workshop




12:00:06 mixed use area.

12:00:07 But these are planning terms and not really designed for any

12:00:11 kind of branding at this point of time.

12:00:13 But they are designed to help in the planning part of the

12:00:15 corridor plan.

12:00:18 That was presented on May 2nd at the community design

12:00:21 workshop that we had.

12:00:25 >>YVONNE CAPIN: May 14.

12:00:26 That's for the me.

12:00:27 Thank you.

12:00:27 I appreciate it.

12:00:29 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Do you want to finish this operation,

12:00:31 council?

12:00:33 I have 12:00.

12:00:34 Give me the time you need.

12:00:36 15 minutes and then we'll come back at 1:30 or 1:45.

12:00:40 I have a motion by Mr. Reddick.

12:00:42 Second by Mr. Suarez for 15 minute extension on item number

12:00:44 6.

12:00:45 All in favor of the motion signify by saying aye.

12:00:48 The ayes have it very weakly.

12:00:51 Continue.

12:00:51 >>RANDY GOERS: I am done with my presentation.

12:00:55 There may be some members of the public that would like to

12:00:58 register some comments.




12:00:59 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Any other council -- well, I have got to

12:01:01 finish council.

12:01:02 I have Suarez, Reddick, and Montelione and Cohen.

12:01:05 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you, chair.

12:01:07 Randy, thanks so much for the presentation.

12:01:10 It was good.

12:01:11 There's going to be a lot of heavy lifting, a lot of it from

12:01:14 us in terms of the planning side.

12:01:16 There should be a lot of heavy lifting in other parts of it.

12:01:20 And I will answer my colleague Mrs. Mulhern when she was

12:01:23 asking about the streetcar.

12:01:25 We actually asked MPO to do the study, meaning the streetcar

12:01:29 board and MPO to do the extension study.

12:01:32 Whether or not we are able to pay for it is oh whole other

12:01:35 issue but at least we are going to get the study done.

12:01:37 Randy, in terms of, you know, this is -- there's a lot of

12:01:42 moving parts, and one of the things, a big, big piece of

12:01:46 this is the change for Florida Avenue.

12:01:50 We have talked about this many times.

12:01:52 And every iteration that you have come up before me either

12:01:56 in MPO or privately, we have talked a little bit about FDOT

12:02:00 and whether or not they are actually going to allow us to

12:02:04 two-way Florida Avenue or any of the other streets that come

12:02:07 into our downtown core.

12:02:10 Where are we at on that?




12:02:12 In terms of discussions and, you know, is there any pushback

12:02:15 right now, or how do they feel about this?

12:02:19 >>RANDY GOERS: Right now things are moving pretty

12:02:21 positively.

12:02:22 The mayor met with the former secretary of FDOT in the

12:02:25 summer to talk about this possibility.

12:02:26 And we got some real good encouraging signs from the

12:02:31 secretary at that time.

12:02:31 The new secretary carried that forward.

12:02:35 We met with FDOT staff to talk about methodology and how we

12:02:39 go about the study and move forward on it.

12:02:42 So right now we have gotten some encouraging signs.

12:02:44 They are willing to take a look at it and we are hoping to

12:02:46 be able to pull something together and have a study done,

12:02:50 sometime maybe at the start of the fiscal year.

12:02:52 >>MIKE SUAREZ: What happens if do it says, no, we aren't

12:02:56 going do it, we like it the way it is.

12:02:58 Are we going to hear thunder like we just heard?

12:03:01 Are we going to have a big fight?

12:03:04 >>RANDY GOERS: We don't know.

12:03:05 We are really hoping that because of the assumptions that we

12:03:07 are looking into, we are really hoping from what we saw

12:03:11 initially that it's going to be true and we don't have to

12:03:16 worry about a big fight so we'll see how the study goes and

12:03:19 what comes out of it.




12:03:20 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Lastly, in terms of those bicycle lanes, the

12:03:25 ones that are specific, what are they called again?

12:03:29 >> Separated cycle track.

12:03:31 >>MIKE SUAREZ: A cycle track.

12:03:33 In terms of that, usually a lot of those amenities come with

12:03:38 FDOT dollars usually for changing it for whatever reason, we

12:03:41 have had some greenway improvements in terms of -- that are

12:03:46 adjacent to state highway or federal highway dollars.

12:03:51 Is that how we look at how we might be able to provide that,

12:03:55 or when we change, let's say, the expectation?

12:04:02 We'll have to pay for that ourselves or get county money or

12:04:05 so on?

12:04:07 >>RANDY GOERS: Those of those will have to get worked out

12:04:11 on a case-by-case basis and look for several state dollars

12:04:14 whether they are applicable,.

12:04:18 >>MIKE SUAREZ: There may be some strings that we get,

12:04:21 getting it two-way on Florida, they will give it to us but

12:04:24 we are going to have to find dollars for other improvements

12:04:27 maybe or something like that?

12:04:29 >>RANDY GOERS: Again, it would be something like that.

12:04:31 We'll have to go through and see what the programs offer for

12:04:36 the type of facility.

12:04:38 >>MIKE SUAREZ: One last question in terms of process.

12:04:41 Now, you have asked us to put forward a resolution in the

12:04:44 next few weeks.




12:04:46 After that resolution, where does the planning go from

12:04:48 there?

12:04:49 >>RANDY GOERS: We starred to look at the updated the

12:04:52 comprehensive plan and long-range transportation plan,

12:04:54 incorporate it, and we will also be using to the communicate

12:05:00 with the other agencies, regional agencies, state agencies,

12:05:06 start A lining your long-term plans to the decision.

12:05:11 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Well, specifically we go to a comprehensive

12:05:15 plan for the city, or transit development plan through MPO,

12:05:19 to look at those specifics that are part of the Invision

12:05:23 plan, correct?

12:05:24 >> Yes.

12:05:24 You will probably -- we already put some requests in the

12:05:28 budget for some of the projects to show up as well.

12:05:35 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you.

12:05:37 >>FRANK REDDICK: Thank you.

12:05:42 We are going to need an umbrella in a few minutes.

12:05:47 I was thinking about the discussion we had yesterday.

12:05:49 I know this was all the plans that have been put out there.

12:05:53 And everything is going to be bike pathways, where they can

12:05:57 have more people riding bikes, but one of the things I

12:06:01 noticed in the community and all over this country now --

12:06:05 and it was brought to my attention that you are starting to

12:06:08 see a lot of people that are mobile, their mode of

12:06:12 transportation is motorized scooters, some of them because




12:06:17 of the handicap, some of them because of other conditions,

12:06:22 and they have to get around, and their prime transportation,

12:06:28 those motorized scooters, at medical stores you see them

12:06:34 driving down the sidewalk or somewhere in the community.

12:06:37 What are the plans for those people?

12:06:41 I mean, there's not enough sidewalks in this city, or

12:06:46 there's no sidewalk at all.

12:06:47 How are these people going to get around with their own

12:06:51 method of transportation?

12:06:52 Because none of the plans that I see that are put together

12:06:54 include anywhere, where they can share the bike pathway, or

12:06:59 they got a section where these people need to get around.

12:07:04 And you see an increasing number of people with these type

12:07:09 of motorized scooters, particularly old folks.

12:07:14 >>RANDY GOERS: It's a good question.

12:07:17 The slide that I showed about the images downtown in the

12:07:19 future, all of the insights of people, one describes a need

12:07:25 from one particular segment that we expect to see in

12:07:28 downtown.

12:07:31 Children, elderly people, they are all going to have

12:07:35 different needs that are different than what we are

12:07:36 expecting today.

12:07:37 Part of the ongoing planning part is to really look at what

12:07:40 is the population.

12:07:41 The workers, people who live here, and what type of needs do




12:07:44 they have like the ones you just surfed and some may be

12:07:50 easy, some may require changes in code, some may require

12:07:53 changes in state legislation.

12:07:54 But we have to look at how we can accommodate those kinds of

12:07:57 preferences.

12:07:58 If people want to live downtown we have to figure out how we

12:08:00 can accommodate the kind of things they are looking for.

12:08:03 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you, Mr. Reddick.

12:08:05 Mrs. Montelione.

12:08:06 Month Monday thank you, sir.

12:08:11 I am not going to go into things that have already been

12:08:14 mentioned, but I do want to say that a lot of the -- the

12:08:18 effort of Invision will be carried out by private

12:08:22 developers.

12:08:24 There will be companies that come in here, some who exist

12:08:29 here already, some who will be coming from out of town who

12:08:33 have shown interest because of all the publicity we have

12:08:35 gotten and the exposure we have gotten all over the country.

12:08:39 But the office space, the retail, the hotels, any other

12:08:43 apartment, condos, all of those are going to be done by

12:08:47 private individuals.

12:08:48 So when Councilman Suarez mentioned the heavy lifting, he's

12:08:54 absolutely right.

12:08:56 We can do all the planning and we can do all of the

12:09:00 infrastructure, and as a government we can put the things in




12:09:03 place that make it attractive.

12:09:06 But it's the development community and the investors who are

12:09:10 going to come in here asking us to approve their rezoning,

12:09:15 to approve their variances, to do all of those activities.

12:09:19 So I want to make it clear that it's City Council who is

12:09:24 going to be executing a good portion of this plan.

12:09:29 So, you know, the other aspect of where we are going to have

12:09:34 a tremendous influence, you mentioned the budget process.

12:09:39 I have a lot of constituents who are thrilled that downtown

12:09:43 is finally getting an upgrade, that has been far too long,

12:09:49 that they have come down here to work, returned to their

12:09:51 homes, and it's just been, you know, a place that they had

12:09:54 to go because they worked there and are excited about all of

12:09:58 the improvements that are happening.

12:10:00 But on the other hand, they also want to make sure that we

12:10:05 as stewards of the budget process are going to fairly

12:10:11 allocate the resource as cross the city, so that we are not

12:10:15 going to allocate all of the funding priorities and

12:10:21 infrastructure that you talked about, now, that you are

12:10:23 going ask other departments to bring their work programs in

12:10:27 line.

12:10:27 Well, making that request to bring their work programs in

12:10:31 line means to prioritize projects that are downtown.

12:10:35 And we have a lot of areas in the city that need a lot of

12:10:39 infrastructure work, as we have seen with the recent




12:10:42 flooding of our streets and neighborhoods in these past few

12:10:45 weeks.

12:10:46 So I also want to keep -- I want to keep that in mind, that

12:10:49 it's going to be, you know, those of us who want to go

12:10:54 through that budget and make sure that the allocation is

12:10:58 fairly spread out, so there is a lot of work that the City

12:11:03 Council will be doing.

12:11:05 And with all the outreach that you have done, it's

12:11:08 wonderful, but I think that you have come here only a couple

12:11:11 of times to walk us through the plan, and it's been

12:11:17 incumbent upon us to attend the presentation.

12:11:20 So when the presentations were being held, I went to almost

12:11:23 all of them.

12:11:24 I think I missed one.

12:11:26 Some of my other council members were there as well.

12:11:29 And when we are talking about doing -- having so much of

12:11:36 that work land right here at our doorsteps, and taking the

12:11:40 comments from the public and listening to how the residents

12:11:44 are going to be impacted, we heard from a lot of the people

12:11:47 who live on the west side of the river right now who are

12:11:50 worried about how this is going to impact their

12:11:52 neighborhood.

12:11:53 We need to have a line of communication between yourself,

12:12:00 AECOM and the mayor's office to City Council.

12:12:04 Because I just applaud Mr. Suarez for bringing that out,




12:12:10 because that is going to be right here on our doorstep.

12:12:17 So I just would want, also -- we have got rezonings that we

12:12:22 heard last week.

12:12:23 We have rezonings we are going to hear tonight.

12:12:25 And it's a great thing that our city is doing better.

12:12:27 It's a great sign of that.

12:12:29 Because now we have a need for two evening hearings a month

12:12:33 instead of just the one that we have been having during the

12:12:36 downturn.

12:12:37 And we are here very late at night.

12:12:39 And there are a lot of residents, I think, who are caught,

12:12:43 our neighborhoods are caught between developers and

12:12:49 investment companies who are moving ahead with some of

12:12:54 what's presented in the Invision plan.

12:12:58 We have done such a good job communicating, and we have done

12:13:01 such a good job of selling the City of Tampa as an

12:13:04 up-and-coming place that people want to be and people want

12:13:07 to live in urban neighborhoods, and our infrastructure has

12:13:12 not kept up with that.

12:13:13 So we have projects coming in that are in line with the

12:13:19 Invision plan.

12:13:20 I don't know how many times we have heard it during rezoning

12:13:24 hearings that this is in line with the Invision plan.

12:13:27 But we have got parking things that we have to consider

12:13:33 because our code amendment have goth not kept up with the




12:13:36 projects that are coming forward.

12:13:38 And our streets have not kept up with what's coming forward.

12:13:43 Our other projects, our other capital projects that we have

12:13:48 not kept up, whereas the projects that are coming forward

12:13:53 and being requested.

12:13:54 So it's very difficult for us to have the vision -- and you

12:14:00 mentioned to have that vision, the vision keepers, I think

12:14:06 was the phrase.

12:14:07 It's very difficult for us to use vision keepers when we

12:14:11 have 200, 300, 400 citizens showing up saying we don't want

12:14:15 this.

12:14:16 Our neighborhood isn't ready for this.

12:14:17 We don't have the capacity on our roads for this.

12:14:23 So that's something we really do need to keep in mind when

12:14:26 we are talking about this vision plan, and the work that

12:14:28 needs to be done.

12:14:30 So we might want to start moving those comp plan amendments

12:14:33 up.

12:14:34 We want to start moving those revisions to the code up on a

12:14:37 faster schedule, because we are seeing the developments

12:14:40 coming in here.

12:14:43 Thank you.

12:14:47 I used up my time.

12:14:48 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I think you used up my time but that's

12:14:51 all right.




12:14:51 Let me just say this.

12:14:52 Quick question.

12:14:54 Two things.

12:14:55 I saw a bike path in the middle of the road, traffic on the

12:14:57 inside.

12:14:58 That's what I saw.

12:15:00 Is that workable?

12:15:01 One of the slides showed the bicycle path in the middle of

12:15:03 the road and then traffic going one way --

12:15:09 >>RANDY GOERS: It's a separated bicycle path.

12:15:15 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: And that's going to reduce bike

12:15:17 accidents?

12:15:18 >>RANDY GOERS: Yes.

12:15:18 In Indianapolis there's a heavily traveled bike road.

12:15:22 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: And in your Invision statement, how do

12:15:24 you spell the word success?

12:15:28 >> S-U-C-C-E-S-S.

12:15:33 Did I spell it wrong?

12:15:34 >> There's a C missing.

12:15:36 I just want to make sure.

12:15:37 I am just bringing it up in case you see it somewhere else.

12:15:44 I know we are running at 15.

12:15:50 I am going take five minutes or so to see if the public

12:15:53 wants to speak on this before all four or five or six.

12:15:56 That gentleman stood up three or four times.




12:15:58 >> My name is Lew Sibert, 777 north Ashley drive, and I was

12:16:07 really heartened to hear the comments of the council this

12:16:11 morning.

12:16:12 You are being given a fabulous plan that Randy and Pete and

12:16:16 others have developed, the Invision plan conceptually is

12:16:19 great.

12:16:20 30,000 vision, outstanding.

12:16:22 I want to bring your focus back down to reality, and a

12:16:26 decision that you took awhile ago to sell a piece of

12:16:30 property to a developer for an apartment building.

12:16:32 And as you contemplate whether or not it's reasonable and

12:16:35 appropriate to pass a resolution in support of Invision, and

12:16:39 as you go forward to your rezoning hearings, I would just

12:16:42 like to challenge you to consider three things before we

12:16:47 look at this particular piece of property, for an apartment

12:16:52 building that would block site lines to our river.

12:16:59 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: We are not in a zoning issue.

12:17:01 We aren't going to discuss that.

12:17:02 That's a zoning issue.

12:17:04 It's a specific property and we aren't going to make

12:17:07 statements on that at all.

12:17:08 >> I'm sorry, I didn't mean to -- that's really not what I

12:17:11 was here to ask.

12:17:12 I was here to ask you to do three things.

12:17:15 Okay?




12:17:15 The first is contemplate whether or not it would be

12:17:19 reasonable to have an independent urban planner take a look

12:17:23 at the core, downtown, in Invision.

12:17:31 Number two, to require that we have a parking study that

12:17:35 goes hand in hand as we look at these master plans for

12:17:39 downtown.

12:17:39 And number 3, that you contemplate suggesting that our

12:17:44 cultural sensors, the museums and the library, as they are

12:17:49 all in the process of doing master planning, come together

12:17:53 jointly, take a look at a master plan for that particular

12:17:57 core area before we make decisions and pass resolutions.

12:18:01 Thank you very much.

12:18:01 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I appreciate it very much.

12:18:03 Good comments.

12:18:04 Yes, sir.

12:18:04 Yes, sir.

12:18:07 Council, give me six more minutes.

12:18:09 >>MIKE SUAREZ: So moved.

12:18:11 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion by Mr. Suarez, seconded

12:18:13 by Mr. Cohen.

12:18:14 Yes, sir.

12:18:15 >> My name is Michael Randolph and with the West Tampa CDC,

12:18:20 1804 North Howard Avenue.

12:18:22 I want to thank the City Councilman Miranda and the folks of

12:18:27 West Tampa.




12:18:28 I want to give a call-out to Tampa Housing Authority for

12:18:34 keeping the community up to date.

12:18:36 I want to emphasize that the current land only represents

12:18:39 maybe 10 to 15% of West Tampa, and that we are hoping that

12:18:44 at some point we can look at West Tampa as a whole, how do

12:18:49 we redevelop, and the community-wide efforts.

12:18:56 I want to make sure the community is connected to jobs, and

12:19:05 commend City Council and ma T mayor for looking at West

12:19:07 Tampa.

12:19:08 It time for West Tampa.

12:19:09 Thank you.

12:19:10 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.

12:19:10 Next.

12:19:12 >> My name is Bob Sutter, 208 south Rinelli. You are my

12:19:17 representative, Charlie. Anyway, I'm coming as a property

12:19:22 owner and taxpayer of the city and also a member of the

12:19:27 Tampa Cruise-a-cade.

12:19:34 I am not officially here to support them but I am a member

12:19:36 of their club and we are really interested in what's going

12:19:39 on with Invision.

12:19:40 I know the other side of the river, I think it's a great

12:19:42 idea what you are doing.

12:19:44 And it's a boat club formed back in 1954, family cruising

12:19:52 and boating and boating safety.

12:19:53 Anyway, there's plenty of room for more members.




12:19:57 Our members keep our rates low by volunteering.

12:20:00 We have no employees.

12:20:02 So there's that.

12:20:03 And then the other that's not kept up at all by the armature

12:20:12 works.

12:20:12 That's terrible over there.

12:20:14 I don't know why they don't clean it up. Anyway, we are

12:20:16 going to clean up our spot because I know we have some spots

12:20:19 there that look bad, kind of an eyesore when they drive by.

12:20:23 Some of the other things we are doing is to provide for the

12:20:26 community as we provided for our facility, inner city

12:20:29 football for fund-raising.

12:20:32 And we are going to be putting on a fund-raiser for

12:20:38 Metropolitan Ministries, on August 3rd called the Tampa

12:20:42 enchilada fest.

12:20:44 And the club is available for charities if they need it.

12:20:50 So just wanted to say that.

12:20:51 And I like the what Invision stands for and it's going to be

12:20:57 great, and how that plays in with the club.

12:21:01 So thank you very much.

12:21:03 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you.

12:21:04 Next speaker.

12:21:05 >> Good afternoon.

12:21:08 I thought I would be saying good morning when I came here.

12:21:12 But just wanted to let you know that we have been supporting




12:21:16 all the Invision process.

12:21:18 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: We know who you are but the record does

12:21:20 not.

12:21:20 >> I'm Lena Young-Green, 3406 North Ava.

12:21:24 And we have been very supportive of the Invision process,

12:21:29 interactive and involved with the various meetings, and the

12:21:34 process that was put in place.

12:21:36 I'm here representing Tampa Heights as well as part of the

12:21:44 green concept of connecting 20 neighborhoods through green

12:21:50 street spaces, arts, and also relationships among us have

12:21:54 been incorporated into the Invision process, and we are

12:21:57 very, very excited about that.

12:21:59 For Tampa Heights, you know, our neighborhood plan that we

12:22:01 started over 13 years ago, we talked about getting Tampa

12:22:06 streets and Florida Avenue two-wayed again and that's

12:22:11 really, really exciting discussion.

12:22:14 Talking about getting Robles Park finally -- finally on the

12:22:20 road to being redeveloped.

12:22:27 North Boulevard.

12:22:27 And it is time for Robles Park.

12:22:29 We also commend the city with all its investment in the

12:22:31 south side of Tampa Heights, talking about the redesign

12:22:38 that's happening right now with Jean Duncan and the

12:22:43 transportation department, and connecting the Tampa Heights

12:22:49 greenway which just got paved a few months ago, and Brad of




12:22:56 parks and rec department is working on those connections.

12:22:59 We are in a main area of the region area.

12:23:01 We are glad that the mayor decided to extend all the way

12:23:05 down to Martin Luther King, which is the northern boundary

12:23:09 of Tampa Heights, and we are very, very excited that the

12:23:12 planning also includes so much of what our 20 neighborhoods

12:23:18 where the Green Artery has determined would be something

12:23:20 that we want to support together.

12:23:22 So thank you.

12:23:24 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.

12:23:24 Mr. Cohen and Ms. Capin, we have two minutes left.

12:23:27 >>HARRY COHEN: I just wanted to point out for the record

12:23:30 that we didn't get to Councilwoman Capin's request that we

12:23:34 discuss the renaming.

12:23:40 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: We will.

12:23:41 We will.

12:23:41 >>HARRY COHEN: Suggest we handle it as part of this

12:23:51 discussion so --

12:23:54 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Real quickly, does cruise acade own that

12:24:01 property?

12:24:03 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Mayor news yeah owe back in the fists.

12:24:07 >>YVONNE CAPIN: How long is the lease?

12:24:08 >> As far as I know, we never owned -- we owned title to it

12:24:14 and I'm not exactly sure.

12:24:15 I'm not here officially for them.




12:24:17 But I believe that the city granted it to us back in 1956 or

12:24:24 something, '58.

12:24:27 As long as we continue our charter of the.

12:24:32 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Here is something to keep in mind.

12:24:34 Is kayaking, the high schools teams, one of the statistics

12:24:39 we just looked at, cultural assets committee, were that 96%

12:24:44 of women who are in kayak teams in high schools, 96% get

12:24:49 some form of scholarship to college.

12:24:51 So we need to use our river for that.

12:24:54 >> We actually have the dragon boaters as well and they are

12:24:59 using our facilities regularly.

12:25:02 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I'm talking about scholarships.

12:25:03 >> I wish we could give somebody a scholarship.

12:25:06 We need money.

12:25:08 >>YVONNE CAPIN: It's crew.

12:25:10 Rowing.

12:25:11 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: All right.

12:25:11 We stand adjourned till 1:30.

12:25:15 And I will call roll at 1:350.

12:25:21 I will call roll at 1:30.

12:25:25 >>> (Recess)

12:25:32 >>>

01:32:12 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Roll call. [Laughter]

01:46:52 >>

01:47:13 >> City Council is called to order.




01:50:43 Roll call.

01:50:44 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Here.

01:50:48 >>HARRY COHEN: Here.

01:50:49 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Here.

01:50:50 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Here.

01:50:55 All right.

01:50:57 Since the second part of 6 has not been discussed, we'll

01:51:00 hold the second part of 6 until the other parties are here.

01:51:03 Item number 7 is the Tampa Police Department and

01:51:06 transportation division regarding the red light cameras.

01:51:09 Yes, ma'am.

01:51:09 >> Good afternoon, council.

01:51:17 I would like to provide some handouts to you for reference.

01:51:39 You requested the transportation division as well as the

01:51:41 legal department of TPD appear to provide some information.

01:51:45 I just want to let you know I am joined by Julia Mandell of

01:51:50 our legal department.

01:51:50 A couple of our fine officers of TPD.

01:51:56 And I have also got some colleagues with me as well.

01:52:00 Pete Brett with transportation division, chief design

01:52:04 engineer, and buck hall of the Department of Transportation

01:52:07 as well, if there's any questions, if they need to support

01:52:10 me on.

01:52:12 I believe you all have seen this information prior to this,

01:52:18 and I don't want to go into all the details of it because




01:52:22 you have been given some of those details previously to take

01:52:25 a look at.

01:52:26 So I thought I would try to leave as much of our time

01:52:30 available to answer your questions.

01:52:32 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Mr. Cohen.

01:52:32 >>HARRY COHEN: I think it might be a good idea if you go

01:52:35 over some of the details, because there has been a lot of

01:52:37 information about them in the news, and there are certain

01:52:41 items I know that you have here that address specifically

01:52:44 some of the items that have been brought up.

01:52:48 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Can I just ask one thing?

01:52:50 The information contained in both of these reports are the

01:52:53 same.

01:52:53 It's the date.

01:52:54 The only difference on the outside?

01:52:58 >>JEAN DUNCAN: Yes.

01:52:59 It's having a summary of the issues.

01:53:01 And the second item is more detail to support the fact

01:53:06 sheet.

01:53:08 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you.

01:53:09 >> So if that is your desire to go over that, I'm glad to do

01:53:12 that.

01:53:13 Basically, there's been two issues that seem to have been

01:53:17 raised by a local media source regarding the City of Tampa.

01:53:21 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Is there a PowerPoint?




01:53:33 Maybe as you go through them, they will be projected on the

01:53:36 Elmo.

01:53:37 >>JEAN DUNCAN: Okay.

01:53:39 We kind of went around what was the best approach to share

01:53:42 the information so I apologize for that.

01:53:44 >>LISA MONTELIONE: If somebody can stay there and turn the

01:53:48 pages.

01:53:48 >>JEAN DUNCAN: Pete, yes.

01:53:53 Thank you.

01:53:54 Sorry to diminish your role but it would help.

01:53:56 And you can answer questions while you are here.

01:54:00 So actually, this is really not the best place to start.

01:54:09 This is more detail and support of the fact sheet so maybe

01:54:13 we'll put one of those.

01:54:14 Let me see if I have an extra one here.

01:54:21 Okay.

01:54:32 So, yes, looking at the fact sheet here -- and maybe we will

01:54:37 move a little better as I speak.

01:54:39 As I started to say, there has been a couple of issues

01:54:42 raised by a local media regarding the City of Tampa's yellow

01:54:50 timing of the traffic signals.

01:54:52 And I wanted to get the information to you as fact of matter

01:54:57 to you, because the media coverage that I have seen is not

01:55:00 correct.

01:55:02 So the fact sheet, I want to make a very clear statement to




01:55:07 you all and give you my full confirmation on that.

01:55:10 And you can read as you see on the fact sheet here on the

01:55:13 screen.

01:55:14 There's not been a single occurrence of a yellow change

01:55:17 interval being reduced on an intersection approach after the

01:55:22 installation of a red light enforcement camera.

01:55:26 And the first message I want to share with you all.

01:55:29 We do have a regular program we have had for many, many

01:55:33 years.

01:55:34 We go out and revisit our signal timings.

01:55:38 We want to make sure that those timings have the proper

01:55:41 input as it relates to the geometry of the intersection, as

01:55:46 it relates to the travel patterns, as it relates to the

01:55:50 standards which do have some changes as time goes on,

01:55:53 adjustments are made, and we want to make sure that those

01:55:57 timings are reflecting all the proper inputs, so that we

01:56:00 calculate those correctly and make sure those are input into

01:56:03 the control rooms correctly and the timings are what they

01:56:06 should be for those intersections.

01:56:08 So we do go out on a regular basis as a program and adjust

01:56:12 the timing for signalized intersections of which there are

01:56:17 about 528.

01:56:20 We have over 50% of our signals are on the state roads and

01:56:24 another 40% are on the county roads.

01:56:27 So as a matter of being consistent within our city, we




01:56:31 applied the D.O.T. criteria to all of our signalized

01:56:36 intersections because we feel that driver expectation is

01:56:39 very important, very critical, as people are driving through

01:56:42 an area.

01:56:44 We don't want to have different applications of a criteria

01:56:48 and have those expectations disturbed.

01:56:53 As I know you are aware -- and I will just say this for our

01:56:56 viewers -- the mission of the transportation division, the

01:56:59 City of Tampa, is to have a safe travel opportunity for all

01:57:04 of those that are using our roadways.

01:57:06 TPD and D.O.T. are the same.

01:57:08 Their mission is integrated with safety.

01:57:11 So, again, we are applying the D.O.T. standards that are

01:57:15 backed by research from federal highway, from the

01:57:18 international transportation engineer institute, a lot of

01:57:22 research goes into coming up with these decisions on amounts

01:57:25 of time, equations and so forth.

01:57:28 So I wanted to make that first point, that we are in full

01:57:33 compliance with the D.O.T. requirements.

01:57:37 We have not gone and reduced any yelling timings at any of

01:57:40 the intersections that have cameras on them, as we have been

01:57:46 hearing in some of the news reports.

01:57:48 To support that statement of attached -- and I'll flip the

01:57:52 fact sheet here -- I have attached a list of intersections

01:58:02 of where we have the cameras.




01:58:05 And I have circled all of the locations for the yellow --

01:58:12 where the yellow time has changed from when the camera was

01:58:15 installed.

01:58:16 And you can do the math very easily and see that all of

01:58:20 those circled locations, the yellow times increase in all

01:58:25 those locations and did not decrease.

01:58:27 And that was not just by design.

01:58:29 That was by the application of the criteria that we have

01:58:33 been using, and as a matter of fact the equation we used to

01:58:38 calculate that yellow has been around since the 1960s so

01:58:45 it's a very tested equation.

01:58:46 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I'm sorry, we don't have that second

01:58:50 page I.don't believe the clerk has it either.

01:58:52 >>JEAN DUNCAN: I apologize.

01:58:55 I thought that was part of the packet.

01:59:02 I apologize that you didn't receive that.

01:59:14 We'll get that to you shortly.

01:59:16 Then that was included to make the point and to show you the

01:59:19 actual location to yourselves that the locations where the

01:59:29 TPD installed the red light cameras did not have any

01:59:33 reduction of the yellows which seemed to be some discussion

01:59:41 out there in the air waves that that is the case, which it

01:59:44 is not.

01:59:48 So we can go into the details of that if you like, or I can

01:59:51 go onto the second issue, which I want really wanted to get




01:59:55 cleared up with you all if that's okay.

02:00:06 The second issue that I wanted to clear up is regarding

02:00:18 statements along the lines of that the City of Tampa is not

02:00:22 using proper D.O.T. standards, that we have used timings

02:00:31 that are below the minimum standards set by the D.O.T.

02:00:33 I want to put this out there that that is completely not the

02:00:37 case.

02:00:37 That is a false statement.

02:00:38 So the second part of the fact sheet there talks about the

02:00:43 equation that is used to calculate the yellow timing.

02:00:50 And without going into the science behind that equation, the

02:00:55 misinformation that is out there really has to do with a

02:00:59 rounding protocol.

02:01:00 When we put the inputs in for a 40 mile-per-hour road into

02:01:03 this equation, the raw number comes out to be 3.9333-ton

02:01:11 infinity, and as a practice, as a city, we choose to round

02:01:16 that in the mathematically correct manner which is round it

02:01:21 down 3.9.

02:01:25 And the D.O.T. traffic engineering manual, they have a chart

02:01:28 that you see on the right-hand side of your page.

02:01:32 That number 4.0 circled.

02:01:38 To their manual decisions, they have chosen to round that

02:01:42 particular value up to 4.0.

02:01:46 However, they have --

02:01:50 >>HARRY COHEN: We are talking about a tenth of a second?




02:01:53 >> Tenth of a second.

02:01:54 .07.

02:01:55 Thank you.

02:02:01 It's less than a tenth.

02:02:02 Yes, sir.

02:02:03 So there is a certain engineering judgment and methodology

02:02:12 that the D.O.T. allows discretion with some things.

02:02:16 This is one of those things that we have that discretion to

02:02:18 round in the mathematically correct manner.

02:02:22 So the values that we have at a couple of our intersections

02:02:25 that were in question is 3.9, where if you look at the table

02:02:33 for a roadway, a 40 mile-per-hour speed limit, in the

02:02:37 traffic engineering manual of D.O.T. it says 4.0.

02:02:41 >> That does not mean we are below the minimum.

02:02:44 That does not mean we are not in compliance.

02:02:47 That is a rounding knew audience, and the D.O.T. will back

02:02:51 us up that we are still meeting the criteria for what's

02:02:54 considered the minimum criteria for that particular

02:02:57 calculation.

02:02:59 So those are the two issues among others that are out there

02:03:03 being discussed, that those are the two that are applying to

02:03:07 the City of Tampa that I believe have been causing some

02:03:13 misconceptions and confusion with some of our readers of the

02:03:17 things.

02:03:17 And I just want to make it very clear on both of those




02:03:20 issues that we are using the correct criteria, we are

02:03:24 applying them in a correct manner, and we are in compliance

02:03:27 with these standards, and we are ensuring that we are doing

02:03:32 things in the safest manner possible.

02:03:35 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Mr. Reddick and Mr. Suarez.

02:03:36 >>FRANK REDDICK: Let me ask a question just to make sure

02:03:41 those who are out there and that are listening and those who

02:03:45 are driving in this city that might be affected by the

02:03:51 yellow lights, and red light cameras, by rounding off the

02:03:56 numbers and using the percentage, and what was stated here,

02:04:03 a tenth of a second, will that increase revenue for the city

02:04:09 or decrease or maintain the balance as to revenue for the

02:04:15 city?

02:04:17 >>JEAN DUNCAN: The yellow timing has no bearing on how the

02:04:24 red light camera program decisions are made to decide how to

02:04:27 apply in fractions to the drivers.

02:04:31 This is an independent decision, calculation, that's been in

02:04:36 place for many, many years before red light cameras were

02:04:39 really even in existence.

02:04:41 So this timing has to do with how much time the driver has

02:04:46 to make a decision on whether to proceed through an

02:04:51 intersection or to make a decision to stop because they

02:04:54 don't feel that they have enough time to clear the

02:04:56 intersection before it turns red.

02:04:59 So whether it's 3.9 or 4, there's no relationship of that to




02:05:06 whether someone is going to get a ticket.

02:05:08 Because if they are going the speed limit, the 3.9 is the

02:05:12 adequate amount of time for them to make their decision to

02:05:14 stop without getting a ticket by entering the intersection

02:05:21 once it's red.

02:05:21 >>FRANK REDDICK: The second question is, and this is just

02:05:25 for clarification.

02:05:30 Those two intersections that have been discussed over the

02:05:34 airways, the yellow light timing off, that someone went out

02:05:42 and did their own inspection and determined that, the two

02:05:47 intersections where the yellow light, timing was off, could

02:05:51 you explain if that is correct with the two intersections

02:06:00 that was displayed, broadcast to the local community?

02:06:04 >>JEAN DUNCAN: Well, if I am understanding correctly, you

02:06:06 are speaking about those two intersections that a reporter

02:06:10 was stating that we were not meeting the minimum

02:06:13 requirements?

02:06:14 >>FRANK REDDICK: Correct.

02:06:15 >>JEAN DUNCAN: So those two locations that this particular

02:06:18 situation applied, they had a 40 mile-an-hour posted speed.

02:06:24 >> What are the two intersections?

02:06:26 >> 50th and Adamo and Hillsborough and Nebraska.

02:06:31 And both of those, there was a 40 mile-an-hour posted speed

02:06:35 limit.

02:06:38 The calculation for that speed limit is 3.9, 333, so our




02:06:45 controllers had 3.9 value inputted in them.

02:06:49 But because of the rounding differential in the D.O.T.

02:06:56 tables shows showing 4.0 as you see on your sheets, there

02:06:59 was, how should I say, accusation or contention that we are

02:07:05 not meeting the minimum standard set by the D.O.T.

02:07:08 And I'm here to tell you that that is not the case.

02:07:12 It's an accepted rounding practice.

02:07:15 The D.O.T. recognizes technically the valueless than the 4.0

02:07:21 you see.

02:07:22 It's an accepted range of correctness, and we are in

02:07:25 compliance with that standard.

02:07:27 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you, chair.

02:07:31 Ms. Duncan, you know, the story that was put over the

02:07:36 airways, I think it was yesterday, one of the things they

02:07:39 talked about -- and there's a couple things, pretty serious

02:07:41 accusations in there.

02:07:43 One is that there are other studies and other groups that

02:07:49 say what the minimum is, that it should be the stated speed

02:07:54 limit plus 7 miles per hour.

02:07:58 I know that your calculations that are part of the FDOT

02:08:01 manual are a little more complicated than just that.

02:08:06 You can see that by looking at it.

02:08:07 And their calculation based on that is that there should be

02:08:11 five seconds yellow lights on those intersections that we

02:08:15 just mentioned, and not a 3.9.




02:08:18 Now, I know that based on what you have said, you know, we

02:08:21 have got this 4.0 with the rounding and everything else is

02:08:26 3.9333.

02:08:30 I guess there's two questions.

02:08:31 One is according to this reporter, and they talked to a man

02:08:38 named mark price -- is it mark price?

02:08:41 >> Mark Wilson.

02:08:42 >> Mark Wilson, excuse me.

02:08:43 I was thinking about the basketball player from Georgia

02:08:45 Tech. Anyway, not you. Anyway, they were talking about

02:08:51 that there is -- that that's the minimum, and a suggestion

02:08:56 meaning if we want to do our own light on these roads, we

02:09:01 can.

02:09:01 Now, my assumption was because it's a State Road, the state

02:09:05 has determination over how those lights are put in, correct?

02:09:11 >>JEAN DUNCAN: Yes, sir.

02:09:12 >>MIKE SUAREZ: How could the reporter get it so wrong or

02:09:16 how is it we got it so wrong?

02:09:17 I guess the point is that he's talked to someone, and this

02:09:20 person from D.O.T -- and I don't want you to answer for

02:09:23 D.O.T. because you have D.O.T. here -- mark Wilson, and what

02:09:28 is T hell is he talking about?

02:09:31 [ Laughter ] I'm being serious, because the D.O.T. allows

02:09:34 someone to go on camera to make a comment about these

02:09:37 intervals.




02:09:39 Either FDOT has got it all screwed up, and Mr. Wilson

02:09:43 shouldn't be talking because he doesn't know what he's

02:09:45 talking about, or something else is going on.

02:09:48 So I really need to probably hear from D.O.T.

02:09:51 Anyone want to take that question?

02:09:53 >>JEAN DUNCAN: Wow.

02:09:54 Thank you for --

02:09:57 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I don't want us to take the blame for

02:09:59 something that someone at D.O.T. said.

02:10:02 But obviously I know D.O.T -- let D.O.T. say something

02:10:07 because that's a pretty serious accusation about the City of

02:10:09 Tampa and about us, and we want to make sure that, you know,

02:10:14 we are on the same page here.

02:10:16 Fanned we are not, why aren't we?

02:10:28 >> Okay.

02:10:31 First of all, the reporter is quoting a study, a report,

02:10:36 731, that was done.

02:10:43 >> Let me interrupt.

02:10:44 Who is Mark Wilson?

02:10:45 >> Mark Wilson is the state traffic engineer in Tallahassee.

02:10:48 >> And in that position, he does have kind of a purview of

02:10:52 determining some of these issues?

02:10:54 Is that correct?

02:10:54 >> Absolutely.

02:10:56 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I'm sorry to interrupt.




02:10:57 Go ahead.

02:10:58 >> No problem.

02:10:59 Well, the reference was made to this particular study or

02:11:02 report.

02:11:06 If you have been around very much, you know that you can

02:11:08 find almost any study that will give you the results you're

02:11:11 looking for.

02:11:14 We, the D.O.T., use it is nationally established formula,

02:11:22 yellows to reds, generated in 1965.

02:11:25 >>MARY MULHERN: It's had one change to it in 1982, with

02:11:28 regards to deceleration rates.

02:11:31 Recently, as of May 31st, Mark Wilson put out another

02:11:36 memo -- not a memo but actually a letter saying that we

02:11:40 would adjust our reaction time, perception reaction time

02:11:44 from one second to one point four seconds.

02:11:47 >> So increased it?

02:11:49 >> Increased the reaction time.

02:11:51 This was already in the works prior to all this other

02:11:56 newspaper reporting or -- reporting, and because of the over

02:12:06 18 population, and because the one-second perception

02:12:10 reaction time is based on the mean and the 1.4 is an

02:12:13 85th percentile which we base our speed on, because more

02:12:19 consistent to change the formula, the first change in that

02:12:21 regard since 1965.

02:12:23 >> Let me ask you a couple more questions.




02:12:26 One is, A, we are in compliance with what the FDOT standards

02:12:33 are for these intervals, correct?

02:12:35 >> That's correct.

02:12:36 >>MIKE SUAREZ: So the 3.9333 still falls within that 4.0

02:12:41 designation that's in your manual, correct?

02:12:44 >> That's correct.

02:12:45 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Now, I know you can't answer for mark

02:12:49 Wilson.

02:12:50 I think you stated that with us it's a memo ha has come out

02:12:54 from Mr. Wilson concerning a new change that would increase

02:12:58 those intervals.

02:13:00 We do not have the purview to change those intervals without

02:13:05 D.O.T. agreeing to it?

02:13:07 Or does D.O.T. have complete control over it?

02:13:11 I guess that's a distinction without a difference in a lot

02:13:13 of ways, which is we can ask as a city to change the

02:13:16 intervals, and we have to show studies to back up why we are

02:13:21 going to change the intervals.

02:13:22 Is that correct?

02:13:23 >> That's correct.

02:13:24 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Okay.

02:13:25 And so for us, if you said no, we are not going to change

02:13:30 the intervals, that's the final word.

02:13:31 Is that correct?

02:13:33 >> That's correct.




02:13:34 >>MIKE SUAREZ: As long as it's a State Road.

02:13:36 >> If it's on a state system we have the final say so of

02:13:41 what they will be.

02:13:42 And you have the latitude to do independent studies.

02:13:45 And if the state verifies that ambers need to be increased,

02:13:52 then we will allow you to increase it.

02:13:54 Only if the studies verify this.

02:13:56 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Right.

02:13:58 Because your job at D.O.T. is to get people from point A to

02:14:01 point B in a efficient and safe manner.

02:14:04 >> We are looking for consistency and driver expectancy, and

02:14:08 if you have one intersection 40 miles per hour one tenth and

02:14:12 another one and another one, it causes confusion.

02:14:15 And the primary reason for all of it is consistency, safety

02:14:19 and consistency.

02:14:19 >>MIKE SUAREZ: One last thing.

02:14:22 And I'm sorry, chair, one last question.

02:14:24 So based on everything you said, you believe that Mr. Wilson

02:14:28 was making a comment about the report that was shown to him

02:14:33 by the reporter, you are saying?

02:14:35 >> The reporter, he makes numerous references to a 731

02:14:43 report.

02:14:48 It's a report.

02:14:49 It's not the national standard.

02:14:50 We follow the national standard.




02:14:53 We have always followed it, I mean since 1965 when it came

02:14:57 out.

02:14:57 And that's what we adhere to.

02:14:59 And this report has other -- we could go into all of this.

02:15:05 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I know.

02:15:07 Because the way things are written tore way things are

02:15:09 reported could be put in a different manner no matter what.

02:15:14 The only thing I wanted to get at was because you do have

02:15:17 someone who is the chief engineer, the traffic engineer for

02:15:21 the state, saying something like that you start to wonder

02:15:25 what is it that is actually our responsibility, and whether

02:15:28 or not we are following our state guidelines.

02:15:30 That's essentially what it is.

02:15:33 Sound to me like what you are telling us is that we are

02:15:35 following everything that the state requires.

02:15:38 We don't have any control over unilaterally changing those

02:15:42 intervals, that anything we do we have to prove and send off

02:15:46 to FDOT for your approval on a State Road.

02:15:49 >> That is absolutely correct.

02:15:51 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you.

02:15:53 Thank you, chair.

02:15:54 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you, Mr. Suarez.

02:15:57 Ms. Montelione, then Mr. Cohen.

02:15:59 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Thank you.

02:16:05 There are a couple of things that you said during your




02:16:07 explanation and answers to Councilman Suarez.

02:16:11 And one of them that really shocked me was that there has

02:16:15 not been a change since 1965 in the standard formula?

02:16:22 >> 1982 -- the formula was developed in 1965.

02:16:27 >> It was developed in 1965.

02:16:29 >> And in 1982, it was developed by the international

02:16:33 transportation engineers.

02:16:35 And in 1982 it was adjusted for the deceleration rates.

02:16:40 >> Okay.

02:16:41 So since 1965, it's only been changed twice.

02:16:47 This last time in '82, and the one that's coming forward

02:16:50 now.

02:16:52 >> The one that's coming forward is not changing that

02:16:55 formula.

02:16:57 We the D.O.T. are changing our formula from there's with

02:17:02 regard to the perception reaction.

02:17:05 >> So the State of Florida is taking it upon themselves to

02:17:08 go ahead and be proactive and make that change?

02:17:10 >> That's correct.

02:17:10 >> Even though there hasn't been one --

02:17:13 >> Formerly the formulas have not changed.

02:17:16 >> Okay.

02:17:17 So I wanted to bring that out.

02:17:20 I did it in an awkward way, but I wanted to bring that out

02:17:24 because so much has been said or insinuated that the State




02:17:29 of Florida is doing this almost on purpose because it means

02:17:35 more money into the state's pockets.

02:17:38 Because the other thing I wanted to bring out is that the

02:17:42 majority of the funds that are collected from red light

02:17:45 camera infractions goes to the state, not to the city.

02:17:49 So if anyone in the general public is believing that the

02:17:53 City of Tampa is doing this to make money, it's not our

02:18:01 intention for that to happen.

02:18:05 The State of Florida gets the bulk of the amount of money

02:18:08 that's collected from infractions.

02:18:10 And even at that, the state has not -- you can make

02:18:14 insinuations or you can say, well, you know, connect the

02:18:17 dots or any kind of anecdotal thing.

02:18:20 But I think it's kind of important to note that the state is

02:18:23 being pro be a tiff in changing the formula, even though we

02:18:26 don't have to do so based on the national I.T., the

02:18:35 institute of traffic engineers, just so everybody knows what

02:18:39 ITE.

02:18:40 We keep saying that.

02:18:42 So to answer my first question about how are things changed

02:18:46 and where does that come from.

02:18:48 And I think the other question I have for you -- and then I

02:18:52 have a couple for Mrs. Duncan, but for the two of you, is

02:18:58 the other formula that we talked about was utilizing not the

02:19:05 posted speed limit but the posted speed limit plus 7 miles




02:19:09 per hour.

02:19:11 Because it's generally felt that people do not drive the

02:19:14 speed limit, and the joke is, you know, the number on the

02:19:17 sign is only a suggestion, which unfortunately a lot of

02:19:21 people believe, because they don't drive the speed limit and

02:19:24 don't realize the speed limits are formulated to keep people

02:19:29 safe.

02:19:30 And I chair the livable roadways committee, which is a

02:19:33 subcommittee of the MPO, and the thing that we talk about --

02:19:39 and I try to mention it every single meeting and every

02:19:41 chance that I get -- this area of Tampa is second in the

02:19:47 nation in pedestrian and bicycle death.

02:19:52 Second in the nation.

02:19:55 So people who consistently speed are putting our citizens,

02:19:59 our family members, our friends at risk on a daily basis.

02:20:04 So I am not so inclined to say that we should have the

02:20:10 formula adjusted for the speed limit plus 7 because people

02:20:16 should be slowing down.

02:20:20 So can you talk to me a little bit about the science and the

02:20:24 math behind the speed limit plus 7?

02:20:28 >> Okay.

02:20:30 First of all, that comes from that report, the 731.

02:20:38 But regardless, we are looking for consistency.

02:20:41 And we feel, you feel, if we keep bumping up the clearances

02:20:48 with regard to, well, people speeder who and people speed




02:20:51 there, we lack the consistency.

02:20:52 If we reduce, set the clearances with regard to the 85th

02:21:00 percentile speed, that we are being consistent, we are

02:21:04 promoting safe roadways to travel, and I can't speak for

02:21:12 Mark Wilson, but his direction has been in every detail I

02:21:17 have worked under, we are going to adhere to the statements.

02:21:21 >> Thank you.

02:21:22 Ms. Duncan?

02:21:28 Can you talk to me a little bit about what has been said by

02:21:34 FDOT here today, by Mr. Hall, about consistency?

02:21:40 Because in my district -- and I'm concerned about the entire

02:21:44 City of Tampa but I can speak from experience because I

02:21:46 drive around my district a lot.

02:21:49 I have city roads.

02:21:50 I have state roads.

02:21:52 And I have county roads.

02:21:55 That crisscross north Tampa, and New Tampa.

02:21:59 So when someone is driving, they don't see the dotted lines

02:22:05 that says, okay, you are now leaving a city road and

02:22:08 entering a State Road or now leaving a State Road and

02:22:10 entering a county road and the rules are going to be

02:22:12 different.

02:22:13 So can you talk to me about consistency?

02:22:17 And it concerns me what our cohorts over at county

02:22:21 commission are talking about, because when you leave a city




02:22:26 road and you enter a county road, now there may be some

02:22:30 difference in the timing of these lights.

02:22:33 And people are not seeing the borders.

02:22:37 We can make rules that are different every single block

02:22:43 sometimes if you are in my district, because every block you

02:22:45 make a turn, you might be on a different jurisdiction's

02:22:50 road.

02:22:50 >>JEAN DUNCAN: You make a good point.

02:22:52 People don't think about what kind of a roadway they are on

02:22:56 when they are driving around.

02:22:57 They expect the signage, the striping, the signals to have

02:23:01 some consistency, because as we said -- and you all know --

02:23:05 driver expectation is very important when people are

02:23:08 driving, as is driver behavior, people choosing not to

02:23:13 behave properly and be distracted.

02:23:15 That's another variable that creates problems.

02:23:23 I think that part of the issue out there, there is a lot of

02:23:26 research going on.

02:23:27 I do have the report that everyone keeps referencing.

02:23:33 Management of cooperative research program study, there's a

02:23:37 lot of research that's constantly going on, and this study

02:23:40 as there are others out there, go through lots and lots of

02:23:44 technical hurdle and discussions and meetings before they

02:23:49 are actually adopted.

02:23:50 So there's a couple things.




02:23:52 One is the reference to a reporter referencing a study

02:23:58 that's been done that hasn't pen adopted yet as a standard

02:24:02 is a moot point.

02:24:07 But it goes to a process to finally get adopted into a

02:24:12 manual and then become a criteria and a standard.

02:24:15 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Forgive my interruption.

02:24:18 But one of the things about that report, something that I

02:24:20 think was said in response to Mr. Suarez' question, was that

02:24:24 we can change standards based on -- if we have enough

02:24:30 evidence to back up our request to make that change and show

02:24:35 studies, even though it's not an adopted standard by the

02:24:38 ITE.

02:24:39 >>JEAN DUNCAN: Well, there's a little difference there.

02:24:41 Research is out there suggesting potential changes to the

02:24:45 criteria, such as you mentioned, adding 7 miles per hour to

02:24:49 the posted speed.

02:24:51 But then there's also studies that you can do to show that

02:24:55 if there's a minimum that you end up calculating with your

02:24:59 equation, you can make a case to go above that minimum, but

02:25:04 you are still within a range of a standard.

02:25:06 So there's sort of two different things there.

02:25:09 But to answer your question about the county, the point I

02:25:13 was trying to make is that to make a decision as a body

02:25:19 board, to have a blanket addition, subtraction or change of

02:25:24 something, without the years of research which go into




02:25:29 coming up with these standard to begin with, is just not a

02:25:34 safe approach to take.

02:25:36 So I can't speak for other agencies.

02:25:40 But as far as the D.O.T. is concerned, which we do follow

02:25:43 the standards, they look into a lot of the research that's

02:25:49 been done as I said by the national cooperative highway

02:25:52 program, ITE, the federal highway, and they go through a

02:25:56 process to adopt those standards.

02:25:57 There's a lot of research.

02:25:59 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Okay.

02:26:00 And based on some of the conversation we had during the

02:26:02 briefing that I had with you and our traffic operation

02:26:07 consultants a couple of days ago, we talked about the

02:26:13 standard will be changing for part of that formula.

02:26:18 >> Yes.

02:26:19 And the memo that was mentioned by Mr. Hall, the Department

02:26:25 of Transportation is going to change the base number from

02:26:30 1.0 to 1.4.

02:26:35 On your fact sheet you see an equation that T represents the

02:26:41 reaction time.

02:26:42 And as you see on the right-hand side, it's the number 1.

02:26:47 That number is going to be changed in the equation statewide

02:26:54 with a directive that first is the camera locations are

02:26:59 going to be modified first.

02:27:01 >>LISA MONTELIONE: So that's going to increase the




02:27:06 timing --

02:27:06 >> The bottom line.

02:27:08 >>LISA MONTELIONE: And we talked about that standard going

02:27:10 into effect and all of the lights that are on state roads,

02:27:15 right?

02:27:21 >> This is a state standard.

02:27:22 It's going to have to change on city, county and stayed

02:27:24 roads.

02:27:25 >> As I said in the beginning we have got over 50% of our

02:27:28 signalized intersections are on the State Road, 40% are on

02:27:32 the county, 10% on the city.

02:27:34 City streets.

02:27:34 >> And will that 1.4 --

02:27:37 >> These will be applied to all of our signalized

02:27:40 intersections because again we want to have that consistency

02:27:42 within the city.

02:27:43 >>LISA MONTELIONE: So everywhere in the city whether on a

02:27:47 State Road or city road, the timing of the light is going to

02:27:51 increase by .4 seconds?

02:27:54 >>JEAN DUNCAN: Yes.

02:27:55 And we will start with the locations that have the cameras

02:27:57 first.

02:27:59 A directive from the D.O.T. is those have to be done by

02:28:02 December of this year.

02:28:03 >>LISA MONTELIONE: That leads me to the mechanics and




02:28:06 things back to the consistency.

02:28:09 Howl the timings change?

02:28:11 Is it done remotely?

02:28:13 Is it done by hand?

02:28:14 Is it different?

02:28:17 >>JEAN DUNCAN: It's a series of things.

02:28:19 There's data collection at the intersection, crews went

02:28:23 physically out there with the traffic, with the geometrics.

02:28:27 Then there's calculations that are done.

02:28:28 We have signal timing sheets.

02:28:30 We do calculations to enter in new variables.

02:28:35 >> But are we going to do that?

02:28:37 We are just saying it's going to increase by .4.

02:28:41 So you just go into a computer system and type in .4 and

02:28:45 you --

02:28:46 >> When you add that .4 you have to redistribute the time so

02:28:50 you have a 120-second cycle.

02:28:53 And you start adding all those .4s in for all those yellow

02:28:57 phases.

02:28:58 You have to redistribute your time now within that cycle.

02:29:02 You only have 120 seconds to work with.

02:29:05 You just can't add .4 for all those moments.

02:29:10 So we will have to recalculate all those intersections,

02:29:14 update all the input, and go out and physically get into the

02:29:19 controller cabinet, enter into those timings, and then do




02:29:23 observations to make sure that it's not any problem.

02:29:29 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I want to make that point to the public

02:29:31 as well.

02:29:32 In the day and age when we all have cell phones and you can

02:29:34 turn on your lights -- yes, Charlie, I know you have a cell

02:29:39 phone -- and you can turn on your house lights before you

02:29:43 get there by getting into your cell phone and turning them

02:29:45 on remotely and you can do all these nifty things by the use

02:29:50 of technology, we are still going out -- we have to do all

02:29:53 the calculations, have to do all these things.

02:29:55 But mechanically, physically we have to go to every single

02:29:59 light, open the cabinet and change it by hand.

02:30:02 I want to make that clear because this is not something that

02:30:05 can happen --

02:30:07 >>JEAN DUNCAN: Exactly.

02:30:08 That's exactly the case.

02:30:09 >>LISA MONTELIONE: And I just hope that when we are looking

02:30:14 at changing the formula and changing these lights that there

02:30:17 is going to be consistency, that the expectation of the

02:30:21 driver, whether on a city, state or county road, is going to

02:30:25 be the same.

02:30:27 Because it causes problems when there are vast differences.

02:30:33 >> Yes.

02:30:36 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Again I speak here.

02:30:38 I speak at MPO.




02:30:39 I speak at livable roadways.

02:30:41 I can speak everywhere I can about the safety of our

02:30:43 citizens.

02:30:44 And I want to get off that list of being the second in the

02:30:47 country of pedestrian and bicyclist deaths.

02:30:52 I am going to do everything I can to get us off that list.

02:30:55 >>JEAN DUNCAN: We appreciate that.

02:30:57 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Now we discussed four tents of a second

02:30:59 for 30 minutes.

02:31:00 So four tenths of a second, that was it.

02:31:04 So how is anyone going realize what four tenths of a second

02:31:08 is?

02:31:09 If you are four tenths of a second off and going the speed

02:31:12 of a rocket going to the moon 225,000 miles you might be off

02:31:16 by a few thousand miles.

02:31:17 But you are only going 60 feet or 80 feet or 100 feet, it

02:31:22 will never be recognized, because the small amount of time

02:31:25 cannot be measured in a human mind that quick.

02:31:29 That's number one.

02:31:30 Number two, all these perceptions and speed of approach

02:31:37 vehicles on page 7 are the average speed of a vehicle, not

02:31:39 the average speed of each individual vehicle.

02:31:43 So that means that throws inconsistency within the

02:31:45 consistency, because every vehicle is traveling at a

02:31:48 different speed.




02:31:49 That's my assumption of that mathematical equation.

02:31:52 It's correct in theory, and in practicality, but not

02:31:56 applicable to every car in the intersection, because they

02:31:58 are all traveling N at a different speed.

02:32:00 Am I correct?

02:32:02 >> Yes, sir.

02:32:03 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: So four tenths of a second would be a

02:32:05 advantage to some and disadvantage to others.

02:32:07 Thank you very much.

02:32:10 Any other question by council members?

02:32:12 Mr. Cohen?

02:32:13 Smart man.

02:32:16 [ Laughter ] anything else?

02:32:17 Anyone in the audience want to speak on this item number 7?

02:32:23 >> I believe Julia did want to address another issue as it

02:32:27 relates to the hearing process.

02:32:28 >>JULIA MANDELL: Legal department.

02:32:29 And very quickly, I did have an opportunity, the law

02:32:38 regarding red light cameras has changed.

02:32:40 One of the most significance changes is that the process for

02:32:44 those who wish to challenge a red light camera ticket now

02:32:47 has to be a local hearing officer process versus a process

02:32:50 which is held within the court system.

02:32:56 Next week you will see on your agenda oh actually two

02:32:59 resolutions.




02:33:00 One resolution which is what is required under state law,

02:33:03 which is for City Council to choose who the clerk through

02:33:09 this new herring office is going to be?

02:33:11 The second will be a fee resolution for that process.

02:33:16 That fee resolution is going to charge the same amount of

02:33:19 money that the courts are charging right now, which is a $50

02:33:23 fee for someone when they challenge a ticket, if they do not

02:33:26 prevail that they will be charged $50 in their costs.

02:33:29 So I just wanted to highlight that for you.

02:33:31 And if you have any questions today, or prior to next week,

02:33:35 please let me know.

02:33:36 We do need to have this in place by July 1st.

02:33:39 And while I hate to do things like that at the last minute,

02:33:42 the state legislature gave us approximately six weeks to set

02:33:45 up a hearing officer program, which is an extremely short

02:33:48 amount of time to make some of the decisions.

02:33:52 We are very fortunate that we had so many resources to get

02:33:55 this all moving forward.

02:33:56 Thank you.

02:33:56 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you.

02:33:57 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Thank you, Julia.

02:34:00 You are part of that briefing that I mentioned earlier, and

02:34:03 we talked about this, so I'm glad you actually reminded us

02:34:07 to hear you out.

02:34:11 The fee resolution for $50, when we talked about it, just




02:34:15 anecdotically I'm thinking that this process, having a

02:34:18 hearing master, having utilized this room, everything people

02:34:21 on staff, security guards, whatever, is going to be -- $50

02:34:29 doesn't seem like it's going to cover our costs.

02:34:32 So being that we are always mindful of our budgets, and

02:34:36 watch every penny, I would like to ask -- and I'll make this

02:34:39 by motion -- that in six months from the date we begin

02:34:44 having these hearings, you come back with a report along

02:34:49 with budget to report on whether or not $50 is truly

02:34:56 covering our costs.

02:34:58 >> That would be fine.

02:35:01 With all three resolutions you have to have some basis for

02:35:04 them. We know there's an adequate basis for $50.

02:35:07 It very well may be that it's more once we have some data

02:35:10 over that six months we'll have a better understanding that

02:35:14 that is a true cost.

02:35:15 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: And if it's less is there a rebate?

02:35:20 >> If it's less than we can adjust it down.

02:35:23 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Motion by Mrs. Montelione.

02:35:24 Seconded by Mr. Cohen on a close vote with Mr. Suarez.

02:35:29 The ayes have it unanimously.

02:35:30 Thank you all very much for peering.

02:35:32 And we will be expecting their report when it's completed.

02:35:37 We go back to item number 6.

02:35:59 I have a request for a five minute continuation so we'll




02:36:01 hold the second part of number 6 for five minutes.

02:36:08 >>> (Recess)

02:36:14 - - -

02:43:07 [Sounding gavel]

02:49:58 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: City Council is called back into session.

02:49:59 Roll call.

02:50:03 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Present.

02:50:03 >>FRANK REDDICK: Here.

02:50:06 >>HARRY COHEN: Here.

02:50:08 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Here.

02:50:18 >>THOM SNELLING: Put that PowerPoint up.

02:50:26 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Yes, sir.

02:50:29 >>THOM SNELLING: Thank you.

02:50:30 Perfect.

02:50:33 All right.

02:50:35 Thom Snelling, planning development director.

02:50:37 The motion was made for me to go ahead and do some

02:50:41 Mr. Chairman research on the impact and the idea of renaming

02:50:46 Nebraska Avenue.

02:50:49 So we went out and had Jimmy Cook and myself, and he

02:50:53 contacted some folks in the county to find out what their

02:50:57 ideas were, because at some point north of Fowler it becomes

02:51:02 a county road.

02:51:03 What we had here, I want to show you a couple of examples of

02:51:05 the type of street signs we have there.




02:51:07 The one on the left is an illuminated sign and that's fairly

02:51:12 far up on Nebraska Avenue.

02:51:14 The one on the right is an overhead blade sign, double

02:51:19 sided.

02:51:20 And on the illuminated signs, we have approximately 26 of

02:51:26 those types of signs.

02:51:28 And on the nonilluminated overhead signs we have 22 of

02:51:32 those.

02:51:34 Here is another sign you are probably a lot more used to

02:51:36 seeing, the standard double-blade street post sign.

02:51:43 And on the other side, we have the signs that are from the

02:51:46 historic district, Nebraska Avenue, within Ybor City.

02:51:50 Now, on the typical street signs, there's 302 of those.

02:51:57 There's 151.

02:51:59 And on the historic signs there's seven of those postings

02:52:02 there.

02:52:03 This, right now, there are approximately 162 intersections

02:52:07 within the City of Tampa that exist that have the street

02:52:11 name sign of Nebraska Avenue.

02:52:14 One thing I did not get a picture of, that's also out there,

02:52:18 you will notice that anytime you are driving at one of these

02:52:20 side streets, Hillsborough, MLK, Hanna, Osborne, et cetera,

02:52:26 you will typically see what they call advance warning signs,

02:52:29 and it will say next intersection, Nebraska Avenue.

02:52:32 Next intersection, whatever.




02:52:34 We didn't count those.

02:52:35 But I'm certain that there are probably 50 of those, given

02:52:39 all of the intersections that you have.

02:52:41 There's over 160 intersections there

02:52:46 The other thing that happens that has the name of Nebraska

02:52:49 on it, there are actually some businesses that incorporated

02:52:52 the use of the word Nebraska as part of their business.

02:52:54 This is just two.

02:52:56 Overall we were able to count eleven of those businesses

02:52:59 within the Tampa.

02:53:01 TampaBraska, Nebraska Food Mart.

02:53:06 And also, they incorporated their address into their sign.

02:53:12 And you can see here where they have both identified

02:53:14 Nebraska as their address as part of their overall signage.

02:53:21 And again, other kinds of examples of how they have

02:53:23 incorporate.

02:53:24 One is the awning.

02:53:25 The other is painted on the outside of the building.

02:53:29 And there's quite a few of those types arrangements as well.

02:53:35 Now, one of the things we looked at, we look at what the

02:53:39 actual cost will be to do something like this.

02:53:41 Just in the City of Tampa, you have got seven miles,

02:53:45 approximately plus or minus seven miles, and there are over

02:53:49 525 individual addresses on Nebraska Avenue, south Nebraska.

02:53:55 94% of those addresses are business and commercial




02:53:59 addresses.

02:54:00 The other thing that takes place, some of those are

02:54:03 apartment complexes, and commercial strip centers with, I

02:54:06 means there are more multiple different addresses within

02:54:09 there.

02:54:09 So in a strip center that has eight stores in it you will

02:54:13 have eight individual addresses off of that as well.

02:54:17 Those signs -- and that's why I put the plus or minus up

02:54:19 there.

02:54:20 Those are not counted as part of that 523.

02:54:23 I'm sorry, 525.

02:54:28 The fee that's associated with making this change, the

02:54:30 application fee would be $14,202.

02:54:34 Again that's a plus or minus based on the number of

02:54:37 addresses that you are actually changed.

02:54:40 Dy double check to see if there would be any exemption from

02:54:44 the city to not have to pay the fee, and the reality is we

02:54:47 are not exempt from our own fees.

02:54:49 We talked to David Vaughan.

02:54:51 He would like if we were exempt because I typically charge

02:54:55 him a great deal of money for the projects that he build,

02:54:57 the fire stations and art museums.

02:55:01 Water fees, sewer fees.

02:55:02 Everybody pays those because everyone has very individual

02:55:05 budgets and financing obligations so fees are not waived for




02:55:10 even members of the City of Tampa.

02:55:11 We have estimated that to be about $1400.

02:55:14 The other cost not as easy to get the number of notices.

02:55:18 We estimated about $2600.

02:55:21 And then the change on the signage, and I verified this

02:55:25 morning that's actually a little lower.

02:55:26 The actual number is closer to $24,000.

02:55:29 I got verification from Rick Carter, who is in operations

02:55:33 with public works to give me a little more accurate numbers.

02:55:38 Unfortunately he didn't have time to get that into the site

02:55:40 so that instead of the 15 to 18, it's more like 20 to

02:55:44 $24,000.

02:55:46 And then installation, I didn't get that, but I spoke with

02:55:51 Earl leave and he said the easiest way that makes the most

02:55:54 sense is take the materials cost and double it for

02:55:56 installation, and that ends up being about 45 to $48,000.

02:56:02 So given the impact, the fiscal impact just to the City of

02:56:05 Tampa you are looking at somewhere in the neighborhood of 65

02:56:07 to $75,000 to make this change for all these addresses.

02:56:11 Now, that's the city.

02:56:16 And then in the county, we did reach out and talk to Kevin

02:56:21 Howell the person responsible for addressing in the county.

02:56:25 And there's about four miles in Hillsborough County.

02:56:28 He estimated approximately 426, majority of those structures

02:56:32 are commercial there, and there's also, he said, three to




02:56:36 five mobile home parks, and that has the same kind of

02:56:39 moniker that identify with the multifamily complexes and the

02:56:42 strip mall, you have multiple address changes within those

02:56:45 mobile home parks.

02:56:46 For him, there are 41 intersections.

02:56:51 And here is where he broke down his history, his regular

02:56:58 signs, overhead lighted and again overhead nonlighted ones

02:57:03 similar to what I showed you in your slide.

02:57:05 And you can't see the thing

02:57:08 Because the timing comes over.

02:57:10 But the cost that Kevin gave us, he said he estimated for

02:57:15 the sign row placement, it would be approximately $8,000.

02:57:21 And he broke down that.

02:57:23 And then there's also a lot of cost for his staff time,

02:57:27 doing the address changing, very similar to our application

02:57:30 process that we have.

02:57:31 He said there would be a cost for them to do that.

02:57:34 He is not comfortable giving me a hard number.

02:57:36 And these were just estimates.

02:57:38 And I understand that it's tough if you start going through

02:57:41 the work because you may have greater or lesser number of

02:57:45 signs that you have to deal with in application process they

02:57:47 have to deal with.

02:57:49 The county process for address changing is a little more

02:57:52 complicated than ours.




02:57:53 They go through a very similar process in going from county

02:58:00 commissioners.

02:58:00 What Kevin tells me is they ask for 100% agreement of all

02:58:04 those who have their address changed before they will even

02:58:07 bring it to the board.

02:58:09 We don't typically go for 100%.

02:58:12 We try to get like 70, 75%.

02:58:15 And then we'll consider it.

02:58:16 And then through the public hearing process we'll have that.

02:58:21 That's just for your own --

02:58:24 >> I want to be clear about something.

02:58:26 I had made some inquiries at one point about the process for

02:58:29 changing street names.

02:58:30 And that item was brought up to me that in order to do it,

02:58:34 we would need about three quarters of the people living on

02:58:38 the street or doing business on the street to concur.

02:58:42 What I was never quite clear on was, is that codified

02:58:48 somewhere?

02:58:48 Or is that just a policy that can be overridden by City

02:58:52 Council and the mayor if they decide to change the name of

02:58:55 the street?

02:58:57 >> I don't believe it is codified.

02:59:00 We tried to have it codified in the past but given any

02:59:05 number of circumstances it was never specifically codified.

02:59:07 So, no, it's not in an adopted code or an adopted ordinance.




02:59:12 It's a city policy.

02:59:13 >> So we have basically guidelines.

02:59:15 But it's within the purview of the elected officials that

02:59:21 make the decision?

02:59:25 >>THOM SNELLING: Street naming is part of the administrative

02:59:27 process.

02:59:29 The administration does that.

02:59:31 It went back a number of years.

02:59:34 Jimmy kind of gave me a quick history when they first

02:59:38 starred to change -- perhaps the most difficult change was

02:59:40 that they had was Dr. Martin Luther King Boulevard when they

02:59:43 changed it from Buffalo.

02:59:46 That was probably the first time they brought it to a full

02:59:49 public hearing with a lot of conversation and public input,

02:59:54 and that probably started a policy of that kind of inclusive

02:59:57 nature.

02:59:57 And it's kind of been that way ever since.

03:00:00 It's always tried to be as flexible as possible to allow

03:00:05 for, you know, designations to occur, but there is no hard

03:00:11 and fast code that says this is what you do.

03:00:15 >>HARRY COHEN: We have been through it ourselves here when

03:00:19 we had discussion about the street signs in Ybor City.

03:00:21 And in that case, we had a lot of public discussion.

03:00:24 But ultimately we made the decision, if I remember

03:00:27 correctly, about what to do.




03:00:31 >>THOM SNELLING: Yes, you did.

03:00:32 You passed it by ordinance.

03:00:33 >>HARRY COHEN: I'm sorry, one last thing.

03:00:37 Because of my own questions about this in the past, I know

03:00:41 the city discourages using two street names.

03:00:45 For example, leaving the original name and having a new

03:00:47 name, and that's because we don't want to cause confusion

03:00:51 for first responders, correct?

03:00:55 >> That's correct.

03:00:55 >>HARRY COHEN: And our 911 system can only take one street

03:01:00 name at a time.

03:01:02 >>THOM SNELLING: Unbelievable but that's true.

03:01:03 And Kevin Howell, I didn't say it here but since you brought

03:01:06 it up, he reiterated that point exactly.

03:01:08 And that's why he would be as insistent as he could be to

03:01:12 change the portion of the Hillsborough County that has

03:01:14 Nebraska Avenue, that last four miles.

03:01:17 For that level of consistency and accuracy and safety and

03:01:21 tourism and everything else.

03:01:22 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I used to work with Kevin Howell, both

03:01:30 when I was at the county and when I was working for the

03:01:32 developer, and because I actually got to name the street in

03:01:36 a couple of communities in southern Brandon, and it was an

03:01:40 interesting experience.

03:01:41 So I know how passionate he is about consistency.




03:01:44 And I know how he feels when it comes to changing names of

03:01:49 streets, because we did have a couple of communities that we

03:01:51 built that we could not only just name the street interior

03:01:55 to the subdivision, but, you know, I had asked, inquired if

03:01:59 there was a short street if I could go ahead and change that

03:02:03 as well leading into the community.

03:02:05 And I think Mr. Howell won that fight.

03:02:08 We did not get to rename that street to match the names

03:02:11 within the community.

03:02:13 Because of just what you said, the safety, the folks who

03:02:19 also lived on that street would have to agree to it,

03:02:21 because, you know, there's a lot that has to be considered

03:02:27 when you are changing streets.

03:02:28 And I know for just myself, going from -- we just talked

03:02:32 about when you move between the city and county lines, when

03:02:36 we were talking about the red light camera issue, it's

03:02:41 frustrating to me when you are on a road and all of a sudden

03:02:45 it becomes something else.

03:02:47 And then you drive for a little while longer and all of a

03:02:49 sudden it becomes something else.

03:02:51 And it's just very frustrating.

03:02:54 So when you talk about hard and fast rules, and there's

03:03:01 nothing in the code that speaks to name changing, we don't

03:03:06 have any, even in our subdivision process -- that talks

03:03:11 about --




03:03:13 >>THOM SNELLING: There are codified things that speak to

03:03:16 exactly what you mention.

03:03:17 But streets shall take -- if they are in an intersection and

03:03:23 you are just crossing the street, there's a street

03:03:25 continuance but the continuing street shall bear the name of

03:03:28 existing street.

03:03:29 They call that out exactly in certain subdivisions.

03:03:32 >>LISA MONTELIONE: So we could not use that to base some

03:03:36 regulations?

03:03:37 Because I would like to see some.

03:03:39 >>THOM SNELLING: That's what we typically do.

03:03:40 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I would like to see some regulations

03:03:43 maybe put in place about street naming.

03:03:45 And I'm thinking that there would have already been in

03:03:48 existence in our code somewhere that speaks to it.

03:03:51 >> We typically have a number of policies and work very

03:03:56 closely.

03:03:56 And the reality is, we ERR on the side of caution to 911

03:04:04 requests, because their mission, their core mission is all

03:04:07 about safety.

03:04:08 So that's really why we go that way.

03:04:12 I have one more slide I would like to show.

03:04:16 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Ms. Capin?

03:04:18 >>YVONNE CAPIN: In Temple Terrace, do they have their own

03:04:20 emergency vehicles?




03:04:23 >>THOM SNELLING: I would suspect that they do, ma'am.

03:04:26 >>YVONNE CAPIN: They have their police, their ambulance,

03:04:28 their fire?

03:04:28 Because it is also Hillsborough County.

03:04:30 They are in Hillsborough County.

03:04:33 And Busch Boulevard does not carry the same name.

03:04:37 >>THOM SNELLING: No.

03:04:37 It becomes --

03:04:41 >>YVONNE CAPIN: It does not have the same name. We changed

03:04:44 that for Busch Gardens so it does not carry the same name

03:04:47 all the way in.

03:04:48 And if you go north it becomes Gunn highway.

03:04:53 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Exactly.

03:04:54 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I mean --

03:04:59 >> Busch Boulevard within the city.

03:05:02 >>THOM SNELLING: I understand that.

03:05:03 We try to avoid that.

03:05:20 >>YVONNE CAPIN: (off microphone)

03:05:22 If the city decided to change the name it wouldn't have to

03:05:26 jump through all the hoops if it had all those rules in

03:05:29 writing.

03:05:31 >>THOM SNELLING: And that may be truthful.

03:05:33 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Could very well be.

03:05:36 Okay.

03:05:39 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Columbus drive goes all the way east




03:05:41 until it gets to Dale Mabry.

03:05:45 >>THOM SNELLING: Columbus has about four or five names.

03:05:47 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Yes, I know that.

03:05:49 >>LISA MONTELIONE: It comes into Temple Terrace highway if

03:05:53 you continue going east.

03:05:55 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Let's continue.

03:05:56 >>THOM SNELLING: On this last slide, I have been asked on a

03:05:58 number of different occasions which just about all the

03:06:01 council people about what changes cost to their citizens.

03:06:06 Kevin gave me a lot of very long numbers but he basically

03:06:10 covered the same things, what will happen to the 94% of the

03:06:13 businesses down there.

03:06:16 They will have to change stationery for their business forks

03:06:20 things like that.

03:06:21 They will have to change their signage, or if it's on the

03:06:24 sign they'll tape it and it will look worried or whatever.

03:06:27 Web site design.

03:06:29 Their banking issues and all their checks and their

03:06:32 issuances.

03:06:34 Their license, if they have any kind of fleet they have to

03:06:37 change their driver's license and occupational licenses.

03:06:41 There aren't any banks on the street but there is at least

03:06:44 one federal credit union.

03:06:46 Credit unions and banks simply don't like to change

03:06:49 addresses because it is a very convoluted and complex




03:06:52 process to go to the federal reserve and start filing their

03:06:54 papers.

03:06:55 So they are not real happy when they have to do that.

03:06:57 They don't like to do it.

03:06:59 As a matter of fact, there's one bank that has still refused

03:07:01 to change the name after a year later.

03:07:03 They kept the same address.

03:07:04 And Jimmy told me that and I didn't write it down but that's

03:07:07 a true story.

03:07:10 So it's quite a cost to an individual to change their name.

03:07:16 When street names are changed, or we go through address

03:07:19 changes -- and you have been here when throws a fight, when

03:07:23 an address is change, when it changes from 123 Main Street

03:07:28 to 127 Main Street because there was a lot split and we have

03:07:31 to change five or six addresses.

03:07:33 Those five or six people come out and say, I don't like it,

03:07:37 I have had this all the time and it's going to cost them

03:07:41 money to do so.

03:07:42 With businesses, it will be even more complex because

03:07:44 businesses, they have their brand, they have their address.

03:07:47 It becomes part of who they are and what they want.

03:07:50 So the impact and the cost to the citizens would be

03:07:54 substantial.

03:07:55 I have no way of actually getting numbers like I did with

03:08:00 the city of $75,000 of hard costs.




03:08:04 But that's just for the installation and the material.

03:08:07 The actual hard cost to all the 525 addresses along

03:08:14 Nebraska, cumulative I would guess would be hundreds of

03:08:19 thousands of dollars, quite substantial.

03:08:21 Individually, I don't know what it would be to an individual

03:08:23 business unless I interviewed every single person

03:08:27 identified, the things they would have to change.

03:08:29 The other thing I didn't mention, there's 26 bus stops on

03:08:34 Nebraska that are in the county.

03:08:35 There's upwards of 50 to 60 bus stops in Nebraska Avenue and

03:08:39 the city.

03:08:42 And any one of those intersections they identify -- I rode

03:08:47 the metro the other day, MLK and Nebraska, goes uphills bore

03:08:53 and Nebraska.

03:08:54 I know it seems like a small thing.

03:08:55 But all of the bus routes that go on Nebraska have to be

03:08:59 reprinted or whatever.

03:09:01 And there's interconnections, transfers, and connecting

03:09:05 routes that would have to be reprinted.

03:09:07 When you start to drill down on this, a simple address

03:09:11 change, which is really what you are talking about, becomes

03:09:15 very expensive, it becomes very difficult to get through,

03:09:20 and it has hidden costs that you don't realize until you

03:09:23 start going through them.

03:09:24 But these are just some of the ones that I put up there for




03:09:27 you to take a look at.

03:09:29 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Ms. Capin.

03:09:30 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Yes.

03:09:31 I am very aware of a cost to a business, because I had not

03:09:34 one but two businesses on Buffalo Avenue when it was

03:09:37 changed.

03:09:39 But you know what?

03:09:40 It was an inconvenience but it was worth the inconvenience

03:09:44 because Buffalo Avenue meant absolutely nothing to our city.

03:09:50 And Martin Luther King did.

03:09:52 I was in a mall that had hundreds of stores.

03:09:58 So, yes, I understand the inconvenience.

03:10:01 But we were given a certain amount of time to incorporate

03:10:06 our stationery and our -- and you know what?

03:10:09 That mall did not suffer any lack of -- any more than the

03:10:14 location eventually when the other mall opened up around it,

03:10:17 did not suffer because the street that it ran in front of

03:10:22 changed.

03:10:24 So, yeah, there was a lot of brouhaha, but I think it was

03:10:28 more -- a lot of big on theory went on when that was done.

03:10:37 And it was in the 70s.

03:10:39 I remember.

03:10:42 I opened Tampa Bay center in 1976.

03:10:46 It was shortly after that.

03:10:48 Maybe a couple of years.




03:10:49 I don't remember the date exactly.

03:10:51 But, yes, I was one of the businesses that was impacted.

03:10:58 But just, you know, today, I'm very proud that we did that,

03:11:07 and there was cost involved then.

03:11:10 And if we were to do a survey of the connotation of Nebraska

03:11:14 Avenue today, I would suggest that we do a survey of what

03:11:23 Nebraska Avenue, the connotation that comes to people's mind

03:11:28 when you say Nebraska Avenue.

03:11:31 It's not one of the most -- anecdotally it's not one of the

03:11:37 most -- I wouldn't want to put it on our tourism brochures.

03:11:45 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Mr. Reddick?

03:11:48 >>FRANK REDDICK: Well, Mr. Snelling, I have one question.

03:11:53 And I think you said four miles of Nebraska Avenue --

03:12:00 >> The apex just past Dale Mabry, way, way up.

03:12:04 >>FRANK REDDICK: Let me ask you, who will be responsible

03:12:07 for that portion of the cost?

03:12:12 >>THOM SNELLING: Good question.

03:12:13 Typically the cost goes to the petitioner.

03:12:15 We would be the petitioner.

03:12:16 So Hillsborough County may make the argument that you have

03:12:19 to pay for it.

03:12:22 If I a private citizen comes to us and says we would like to

03:12:25 do this and council approves to do this, then they pay for

03:12:30 the address change.

03:12:31 And they pay for this stuff.




03:12:33 >>FRANK REDDICK: But could the Board of County

03:12:37 Commissioners, could they come back and say he would don't

03:12:40 want that four miles changed?

03:12:43 >>THOM SNELLING: They could.

03:12:43 They certainly could.

03:12:44 >>FRANK REDDICK: Okay.

03:12:45 So they will have a role in their decision-making process?

03:12:51 >> They will have a role with the decision-making process to

03:12:55 the street within their jurisdiction.

03:12:58 Yes, sir.

03:12:59 And what Kevin Howell will tell you when he is speaking to

03:13:03 his board, he will say exactly what I did, that he is not in

03:13:05 favor of having the street that's simply crosses Fowler

03:13:10 Avenue go from one name to another.

03:13:14 I know it happens, Councilman, in all due respect.

03:13:17 I know it happens.

03:13:18 It happens a lot.

03:13:19 I can give you way more examples than just Busch and Gunn

03:13:23 highway and Temple Terrace highway.

03:13:25 But my goal since I have been with the city has been to

03:13:33 avoid that, at all costs to avoid have addresses to

03:13:38 avoid address duplication, to straighten out a lot of

03:13:43 things.

03:13:43 You have to remember that and Tampa didn't just pop on the

03:13:47 map.




03:13:48 Ybor City was its own jurisdiction.

03:13:50 West Tampa was.

03:13:51 Port Tampa city was.

03:13:52 And they all have different rules.

03:13:55 Sometime in the 50s or so we kind of became what we were

03:13:59 until we annexed New Tampa.

03:14:01 And you had all kind of mix and matches.

03:14:05 True story, and I have been waiting to tell this.

03:14:08 A gentleman I used to work for, worked in my addressing

03:14:13 section. He lived in West Tampa on Ohio Street.

03:14:16 They got a call -- they got a call, a 911 call came in, and

03:14:22 they showed up at his door, knocking on the door, and he's

03:14:25 like, what?

03:14:26 And he was like we got a call, there's an emergency here.

03:14:29 He said, no.

03:14:30 It was the Ohio Street was in Port Tampa city.

03:14:34 And I mean that's an extreme example.

03:14:36 And I don't know that it's ever happened since and nobody

03:14:38 got hurt or anything.

03:14:39 But that's why you will hear Jimmy Cook up here fighting

03:14:45 very hard, me fighting very hard to discourage that.

03:14:48 That's the only reason.

03:14:49 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Mr. Suarez?

03:14:50 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you, chair.

03:14:51 I'll tell you, you want to get confused, go down to Hialeah




03:14:56 and Miami, and you can turn, and you can be on four

03:14:59 different streets, and if you try to Google it, forget about

03:15:03 it.

03:15:04 You will be Googling all day because you got 15th Avenue

03:15:08 and becomes 31st street.

03:15:10 It weird. Anyway, when we talked yesterday or two days ago,

03:15:15 and you made a comment specifically about banks.

03:15:19 And we didn't know if there was any banks on Nebraska.

03:15:22 And I think we found out that there is a credit union.

03:15:26 For some reason, you know, you were very excited about

03:15:29 banks, not like I'm glad to find a bank, but that there were

03:15:34 some issues specific to banks about name changes.

03:15:36 What is that?

03:15:37 Because I never got a chance to finish the conversation.

03:15:41 >>THOM SNELLING: I believe what it had to do with -- and I

03:15:43 believe what it has to do with is they have to register with

03:15:47 the federal reserve, and to go through the process of having

03:15:51 your ID changed, your address changed with all of the

03:15:55 documents that are associated, with everything you have to

03:15:57 go to become designated through the FDIC as a federal

03:16:00 reserve bank, et cetera, it's a very complicated process.

03:16:03 They don't like to do it.

03:16:04 They don't like to then send it out to all their customers

03:16:08 that they are changing their name.

03:16:08 For a lot of very similar reasons.




03:16:10 But I think --

03:16:12 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Absolutely not.

03:16:14 Banks change their name all the time.

03:16:20 I was writing.

03:16:21 I'm sorry.

03:16:23 >>THOM SNELLING: When I first came down here, I was at

03:16:25 Barnett Bank and then it became NCNB, then NationsBank, and

03:16:29 now it's Bank of America.

03:16:31 You are right.

03:16:33 I don't know if they ever changed their address, though.

03:16:36 Would have to get a banker to tell you exactly why.

03:16:39 They do that through the federal reserve because there's

03:16:41 complications.

03:16:42 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Let me interrupt.

03:16:44 We were talking about a lot of different things when we were

03:16:46 talking about this about cost, and how many signs, and a lot

03:16:49 of others.

03:16:50 A lot of the specifics about when you do a change.

03:16:53 And you mention that for whatever reason, I think you had

03:16:58 said, you know, banks really have -- there was no discussion

03:17:03 as to the reason why.

03:17:05 And you haven't found that out yet?

03:17:07 >> No.

03:17:07 >> When we talked about it, it was sort of like, well, at

03:17:11 least there's not a bank on there because that becomes a




03:17:14 bigger issue but we never really discussed what that issue

03:17:16 was.

03:17:17 So we still don't know what that I shall issue is.

03:17:21 >> Not definitively.

03:17:22 >> How much time would it take to determine how much of a

03:17:24 cost this is, real dollar cost, if we went forward with

03:17:28 changing the name of Nebraska?

03:17:33 >>THOM SNELLING: Real dollar cost?

03:17:34 >> If you don't know it now.

03:17:36 >>THOM SNELLING: For the city?

03:17:37 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Yes.

03:17:38 Obviously we are talking about if we are the petitioner, is

03:17:41 the county going to make us name county streets --

03:17:45 >>THOM SNELLING: That I don't know.

03:17:46 >>MIKE SUAREZ: How long would you think it would come back

03:17:49 with a cost estimate?

03:17:51 >>THOM SNELLING: A couple weeks.

03:17:52 I'm relying on other people to give me the information.

03:17:55 It's not just my staff going out.

03:17:57 >>MIKE SUAREZ: And something you mentioned yesterday was

03:18:00 that you polled business owners, and what's our standard

03:18:04 that we do when we make a name change, a wholesale change?

03:18:09 >> We like to have 75% before we go forward.

03:18:12 >> And the last time that we have done this big, that we

03:18:15 have talked about this big of a change is when we changed




03:18:18 Buffalo to MLK, correct?

03:18:21 >> It was just before I came.

03:18:23 The last street name I changed was 18th street to angel

03:18:28 lit a Sr. Boulevard.

03:18:31 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Yes, but that's about a few blocks, wasn't

03:18:34 it?

03:18:35 >>THOM SNELLING: Yes.

03:18:35 >>MIKE SUAREZ: It doesn't go the entire length of 18th.

03:18:40 >>THOM SNELLING: It had a very distinctive start and

03:18:42 stopping.

03:18:42 >>MIKE SUAREZ: You know, maybe palm and all the way down

03:18:48 to, I guess, Adamo.

03:18:51 I was just curious about that because obviously this is

03:18:54 something we haven't dealt with before.

03:18:55 We talked about small changes and a lot of things but never

03:18:58 done this big of a change.

03:18:59 The cost is definitely something that we need to look at,

03:19:02 find out what that is, I think before we can go forward.

03:19:06 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Let's see what we are going to do here.

03:19:08 Mrs. Capin.

03:19:10 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Yes.

03:19:10 I apologize.

03:19:12 We are so much like family that he was talking and I just

03:19:15 butt in, which is what happens at our family table.

03:19:19 So I apologize for that.




03:19:23 You know, I want to repeat.

03:19:26 One of the things, the reason that I looked at Nebraska

03:19:29 Avenue is simply because of the Invision plan, and the

03:19:38 rebranding and repositioning of Nebraska Avenue, and I

03:19:44 thought about if I had a business on Nebraska Avenue, I

03:19:50 would prefer anything but Nebraska Avenue on there.

03:19:58 That was one of the things I thought of.

03:19:59 It's the repositioning and rebranding.

03:20:02 And when you talk to the businesses that are there, the

03:20:05 small mom and pop restaurants that have opened along there,

03:20:10 they very much would like to see that street have a whole --

03:20:14 it would change the complexion of what that avenue

03:20:20 represents today.

03:20:22 The other thing, the other reason that I brought this up was

03:20:26 because we have our quincentennial anniversary, 500 years.

03:20:32 This country is 240 years old.

03:20:35 Hispanics have been here 500 years.

03:20:38 That's what this quincentennial is about.

03:20:41 This is about honoring diversity and the people that have

03:20:46 been here.

03:20:47 As a matter of fact, one of our staff members, our chief of

03:20:51 staff, can trace his lineage, Dennis Rogero, to

03:20:58 St. Augustine.

03:20:58 So we are still around.

03:21:02 And you know what?




03:21:03 When we talk of these numbers, it's a lot cheaper than

03:21:06 Hispanic history museum, and we haven't done anything.

03:21:10 We have done nothing in this city.

03:21:14 And we are the only state in the union that can claim 500

03:21:18 years of anything.

03:21:21 100 years before Jamestown was St. Augustine.

03:21:27 The first governor of Florida, that's what I am looking at.

03:21:29 The first governor of Florida.

03:21:31 Was Pedro Menéndez de Avilés, and it would be governor

03:21:39 Menéndez de Avilés is what I was looking at.

03:21:42 And it's a way of honoring the Hispanic people that live

03:21:45 here, the people that have contributed -- contributed to

03:21:48 this city, to this state.

03:21:51 And the first nap that was drawn of the United States was

03:21:54 drawn and was called Florida, went all the way past Georgia.

03:21:59 And the western part was called Mexico.

03:22:07 >>THOM SNELLING: It also included Louisiana and Texas.

03:22:09 >> Texas was Mexico.

03:22:14 Texas was never Texas.

03:22:16 We took that from Mexico.

03:22:17 So won't even go there.

03:22:21 So when you have the map -- and this is another thing was

03:22:24 founded in 1565.

03:22:28 The 400th anniversary of Jamestown, it spent 60 million

03:22:35 on the 400th anniversary.




03:22:37 Do you know how much our state put through for this?

03:22:39 A little over a million dollars.

03:22:43 For the first city ever in North America.

03:22:49 And so we have -- I want to try -- and I thought this would

03:22:58 be a way of honoring our past and not forgetting it and not

03:23:02 bearing it.

03:23:04 And it's a very Florida name.

03:23:11 It's costly.

03:23:12 It seems more costly than, again, it's cheaper an history

03:23:22 museum, or the heritage that we have, and that we continue

03:23:27 to have in this city.

03:23:30 So I would like to move that the city move forward and the

03:23:38 county do what it wants to do.

03:23:41 We have it.

03:23:43 We have had it.

03:23:44 And we will have it in the future.

03:23:47 Where names are different on the streets.

03:23:53 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Is that in the form of a motion?

03:23:56 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I move that.

03:23:56 Well, we do have almost a full council.

03:24:00 I would like to move that we move forward on the use-- you

03:24:11 said it would take you about two weeks to have more numbers,

03:24:13 right?

03:24:16 >>THOM SNELLING: In terms of the cost and whether the county

03:24:18 would expect us to cover the cost of the process.




03:24:21 In their jurisdiction as well.

03:24:23 And whether or not I have to consult with legal to find out

03:24:26 if there's something that they could do.

03:24:27 >>FRANK REDDICK: I want to offer an amendment.

03:24:31 I would like to make a motion that Mr. Snelling evaluate the

03:24:37 total cost that will be had by the City of Tampa and whether

03:24:43 the county would have any role in procuring cost for the

03:24:47 county portion of the four mile stretch, and that you report

03:24:54 back to this council in three weeks with that information.

03:25:03 And determination whether we want to move forward.

03:25:07 >>YVONNE CAPIN: If we want to move forward.

03:25:09 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: What's the motion?

03:25:11 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I accept that friendly amendment.

03:25:13 >>FRANK REDDICK: The amendment to the motion was to have

03:25:18 Mr. Snelling to investigate the city determine the costs to

03:25:23 go forward renaming Nebraska to change the name of Nebraska,

03:25:29 as well as to explore the costs associated with the four

03:25:33 miles of the county and report back in three weeks whether

03:25:36 the total cost for both the county and the city, and at that

03:25:43 point the council make a recommendation whether they want to

03:25:45 move forward.

03:25:50 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Thank you.

03:25:50 Quite an amendment.

03:25:54 My part, I understand the part of the county, but my motion

03:25:58 is for the city.




03:26:00 But he's asking for the county, which is fine.

03:26:04 So we'll deal with that at that time.

03:26:07 That's it.

03:26:11 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Make the motion because the clerk is --

03:26:15 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Move to come back in three weeks.

03:26:17 >>MARTIN SHELBY: According to the calendar you have a

03:26:20 meeting July 18th.

03:26:24 >>YVONNE CAPIN: July 18th at 10 a.m.

03:26:26 >> For real 10 a.m.?

03:26:34 [ Laughter ]

03:26:35 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Nothing is for real in here.

03:26:38 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Let me tell you today if I don't have six

03:26:39 members I won't start the meeting at 5:01.

03:26:42 I will just wait till we get here.

03:26:45 >> I don't see any of us leaving the building, though.

03:26:49 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Anything?

03:26:50 All in favor of the motion made by Mrs. Capin, seconded with

03:26:52 a friendly amendment by Mr. Reddick, please signify by

03:26:57 saying aye.

03:26:57 Opposed nay.

03:26:58 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried 4 to 2 and one absent.

03:27:09 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Correct.

03:27:09 >>MARTIN SHELBY: And the two were?

03:27:14 >>THE CLERK: Charlie Miranda and Lisa Montelione.

03:27:21 >>HARRY COHEN: I would like to make a motion that at the




03:27:26 same staff report -- this will take two seconds.

03:27:30 If staff could let us know if there's any new roads being

03:27:33 contemplated to be built within the city anytime in the next

03:27:36 18 months.

03:27:41 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion by Mr. Cohen.

03:27:42 Seconded by Mr. Reddick.

03:27:44 All in favor of the motion?

03:27:46 Opposed?

03:27:46 The ayes have it unanimously.

03:27:48 Anything else?

03:27:50 Ms. Capin?

03:27:51 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I just want to let you know that Louisiana

03:27:53 did not exist when those maps were drawn.

03:28:02 >>THOM SNELLING: It said --

03:28:05 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: It doesn't make no difference to me.

03:28:09 >>THOM SNELLING: It said all Central America --

03:28:13 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: All right.

03:28:13 Anyone in the audience care to speak on item 4, 5, 6 or 7 at

03:28:16 this time?

03:28:17 I see no one.

03:28:19 Information reports.

03:28:20 We go left to right.

03:28:21 Mrs. Montelione.

03:28:24 >>THOM SNELLING: Council, thank you.

03:28:25 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you, sir.




03:28:26 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Nothing at this time.

03:28:28 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you.

03:28:28 Mr. Cohen.

03:28:28 >>HARRY COHEN: Yes.

03:28:30 I would like to make a motion to present Rabbi mark sac of

03:28:35 congregation Shalom with a congregation to honor his pending

03:28:39 retirement and thank him for his outstanding and dedicated

03:28:43 service to the community for the past 18 years.

03:28:44 I will be presenting this to him on Sunday, June 23rd.

03:28:48 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Motion by Mr. Cohen, second by Mrs.

03:28:50 Montelione.

03:28:51 All in favor of the motion?

03:28:53 Opposed?

03:28:54 The ayes have it unanimously.

03:28:56 Mr. Reddick.

03:28:58 >>FRANK REDDICK: Nothing.

03:29:00 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Ms. Capin.

03:29:02 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Oh, yes, here is new business.

03:29:04 Sorry.

03:29:05 This was handed to me as I came in.

03:29:06 Many of you saw the media release about the kitten, Wally

03:29:10 that was rescued by Tampa Fire Rescue.

03:29:13 There's a photo of him stuck between the wall and when he

03:29:17 was rescued.

03:29:18 And Wally has not been adopted yet and is available at




03:29:22 Hillsborough County animal services Falkenburg road,

03:29:27 744-5660.

03:29:29 After all we went through to save Wally, it would be sad if

03:29:34 he didn't have a second chance at life.

03:29:36 So if you are interested, Walley's reference number is

03:29:39 042919.

03:29:42 At Hillsborough County animal services.

03:29:44 Thank you.

03:29:45 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you.

03:29:46 Anything else, Mrs. Capin?

03:29:48 Mr. Suarez?

03:29:48 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you, chair.

03:29:50 I don't know if I can follow Wally.

03:29:53 That's a good one.

03:29:54 I have two commendations.

03:29:57 I would like to make a motion to present a commendation

03:30:00 total Alessi family for the long-time commitment to Tampa,

03:30:03 began in 1947, they began first operation under the name of

03:30:06 the Central Provision Company.

03:30:08 And it soon changed to Eagle Importing Company.

03:30:11 We want to congratulate them on their newest venture, the

03:30:14 opening of the Alessi kitchen, La Cucina -- C-U-C-I-N-A --

03:30:21 in another language could be something else.

03:30:27 >> I have a motion by Mr. Suarez.

03:30:29 Second by Mr. Cohen.




03:30:31 All in favor?

03:30:32 Opposed?

03:30:32 The ayes have it unanimously.

03:30:33 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I have a second commendation.

03:30:36 I would like to make a motion for commendation to be

03:30:39 presented on behalf of Richard Gonzmart, the president of

03:30:43 the Columbia restaurant group, in recognition of receiving

03:30:46 the Lion's Club Victor E. DiMaio Achievement Award, to be

03:30:51 presented on July 10th.

03:30:54 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Motion by Mr. Suarez.

03:30:54 Second by Mr. Cohen.

03:30:56 All in favor of the motion?

03:30:58 Opposed nay?

03:30:59 The ayes have it unanimously.

03:31:00 Anything else to come before this council?

03:31:02 Receive and file.

03:31:03 >> So moved.

03:31:04 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Motion by Mr. Reddick.

03:31:05 Second by Mr. Cohen.

03:31:06 All in favor of the motion?

03:31:07 Opposed?

03:31:08 The ayes have it unanimously.

03:31:09 Anything else?

03:31:10 We stand adjourned till 5:01, in 1 hour 31 minutes.

03:31:21 (City Council meeting adjourned).




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