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Tampa City Council

Special Called Meeting -- Budget

Thursday, September 19, 2013

9:30 a.m.


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09:34:38 >> CHAIRMAN MIRANDA: Roll call.

09:43:00 >>FRANK REDDICK: Here.

09:43:03 >>HARRY COHEN: Here.

09:43:07 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Here.

09:43:09 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Here.

09:43:10 We will have public comment.

09:43:11 I want the speakers on items on 14-22 A through G.

09:43:20 I believe one of them was pulled.

09:43:22 Yes, ma'am?

09:43:23 >>SONYA LITTLE: Good morning, Mr. Chair, council members.

09:43:31 In your request for information related to some of the

09:43:34 information presented previously in the budget,




09:43:37 I wanted to come back to you, and I will just go, if you

09:43:40 don't mind, in order of the motions.

09:43:44 Starting out with the first motion A, funding being

09:43:48 allocated to address the homeless issues in the city.

09:43:54 In the public hearing we did point out that the city doesn't

09:43:56 directly provide services for the homeless at this time.

09:43:59 However, we do support nonprofits who do provide the

09:44:03 service.

09:44:04 And these nonprofits provide services to the homeless as

09:44:09 well as prevention of homelessness.

09:44:12 And on the screen we'll show you a breakdown of our funding

09:44:20 levels for 2014.

09:44:27 As you will notice, the city currently provides $265,000 for

09:44:36 CDB funding.

09:44:38 Just under 200,000 for ESG or Emergency Solutions Grants.

09:44:43 And as was mentioned in the public hearing

09:44:47 Through our general fund the homeless coalition $265,000.

09:44:54 We also had a dedicated Tampa Police Department officer who

09:45:00 serves and represents the city with our homeless, and the

09:45:04 costs associated with providing that officer is roughly

09:45:08 $150,000 for the '14 budget year.

09:45:13 Also we have HOME funding of --

09:45:18 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I just want to clarify the TPD homeless

09:45:22 representative, I don't want anybody in the public thinking

09:45:24 that officer McDonald makes $150,000 a year.




09:45:29 >> Correct.

09:45:29 Thank you for that clarification.

09:45:31 That's fully loaded including equipment, related to the

09:45:34 services that he provides as well.

09:45:36 So it's not a salary by any means.

09:45:39 Thank you for that clarification.

09:45:45 Then, finally, we also have funds budgeted $875,000 for the

09:45:54 '14 fiscal year for a total of just over $2 million.

09:45:58 Now, the majority of these items that are listed here with

09:46:01 the exception obviously of the general fund contribution was

09:46:05 presented to you previously for your approval for the '14,

09:46:11 one-year action plan, where City Council approved these

09:46:15 funding levels for each one of these line items within the

09:46:18 action plan, came before you two times. One time June

09:46:23 20th and then for final approval on July 18th.

09:46:26 And you will also see in your upcoming meeting, I believe,

09:46:32 the 26th, specific financial resolutions coming through

09:46:35 that really ratify and finalize many of these

09:46:37 appropriations.

09:46:41 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Mr. Reddick?

09:46:42 >>FRANK REDDICK: When I look at this, how much of this $2

09:46:50 million is actually in city dollars?

09:46:53 >> Well, we consider it all to be.

09:46:56 These are federal and grant fundings.

09:46:59 The way we use sales tax, I mean, the state collects it but




09:47:05 it's all attributable to what we do here in the city.

09:47:08 But I understand what your question is.

09:47:10 Federal grants are the large majority of these.

09:47:15 >>FRANK REDDICK: That's my point.

09:47:16 So even though they have $2 million of funds going toward

09:47:26 the homeless, I think it's misleading if we don't tell the

09:47:31 public the makeup of federal and state funding that has been

09:47:36 distributed to the city's program.

09:47:37 But to say $2 million, I want to know if $2 million is

09:47:44 coming out of general revenue funds, or the federal, state

09:47:48 or some type of program.

09:47:50 Because if you look at this, if anyone is looking at this,

09:47:55 the presentation they are getting, the city is allocating $2

09:48:00 million.

09:48:00 But that is not actually true because some of these are

09:48:06 federal funds, and state funds, and the city is just

09:48:12 distributing them through your program.

09:48:15 So I just don't want to be misled that these are actual

09:48:23 dollars coming from the city.

09:48:24 >> Yes, sir, I see your point.

09:48:28 However, I think I was very clear that for the homeless

09:48:31 coalition that was general fund money and also very clear in

09:48:33 identifying our representative through TPD.

09:48:42 Now, as you indicated, the rest of the line items here are

09:48:46 managed and directed by the city from grant funding




09:48:49 received.

09:48:51 However, we are not required, in many of these cases, to

09:48:57 even direct this funding to matters surrounding the

09:49:03 homeless.

09:49:04 So I understand your point, Councilman.

09:49:06 But just to be clear, you know, it's still the city's

09:49:09 funding, and the city is making an efforts to support the

09:49:12 homeless cause.

09:49:16 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Ms. Mulhern?

09:49:17 >>MARY MULHERN: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

09:49:19 Thank you, Ms. Little, for giving us this breakdown.

09:49:24 And you answered one of my questions which was homeless

09:49:27 coalition funding from the general fund.

09:49:29 And I think we all would like to see the city do more with

09:49:34 our general fund and with our budget in general, from the

09:49:40 city revenues as opposed to just what we can get through the

09:49:45 federal government.

09:49:45 And I just want to point out that the 150,000 that we give

09:49:50 to our wonderful TPD representatives that are working with

09:49:57 the homeless is a wonderful thing.

09:49:59 However, it's really because we passed ordinances that

09:50:05 required us to do something about the fact that there are

09:50:08 homeless people on the streets, and we don't -- or homeless

09:50:13 people panhandling, and we don't want them to do that.

09:50:15 So I see that as kind of a mixed contribution to the




09:50:20 problem.

09:50:22 A lot of that is because we need to adapt to the laws that

09:50:28 we actually passed here about where people can be -- who

09:50:34 don't have a home to go to.

09:50:35 But thank you for the breakdown.

09:50:37 >>SONYA LITTLE: Thank you.

09:50:42 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Mr. Cohen and Ms. Montelione.

09:50:43 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I just want to make one point for the

09:50:47 public that is watching this meeting.

09:50:51 I think it's important to point out when we are having this

09:50:53 discussion that the county is the level of government that

09:50:58 provides the vast majority of social services in this

09:51:02 community, and it is something that they address through

09:51:05 their budget.

09:51:06 I'm not trying to pass the buck, but for us to put money

09:51:12 into this is sort of a two-step process of identifying the

09:51:17 needs, but also recognizing that traditionally it's not our

09:51:22 tax dollars that are supposed to be going -- city tax

09:51:25 dollars that are supposed to be going to pay for it.

09:51:28 It's county money.

09:51:31 I think that needs to be recognized in the context of the

09:51:34 conversation.

09:51:35 Not an excuse that we are not doing enough, but a

09:51:39 recognition that that is the way that the funds are

09:51:41 allocated in this community.




09:51:44 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you.

09:51:45 Mrs. Montelione?

09:51:46 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Well, two things.

09:51:47 The short answer to your question, Mr. Reddick, is $205,000.

09:51:54 The two line items that Ms. Little was referring to.

09:51:59 Simple math, 55 and 150.

09:52:01 So other than federal -- the rest of the 2.042 million is

09:52:10 federal funds.

09:52:11 And, yes, we could direct some of those funds to other

09:52:17 efforts, but part of what we do -- and we have talked about

09:52:25 this before -- is prevent people from becoming homeless with

09:52:31 those dollars.

09:52:32 So the housing counseling that we fund through various

09:52:38 nonprofits is part of that.

09:52:41 So it's an intangible because preventing people from being

09:52:48 on the street isn't as tangible as actually funding the

09:52:53 homeless per se, but I agree, I think it should be more than

09:52:59 $205,000 out of direct funding from the city, because -- and

09:53:08 I don't want to quote exact percentages and numbers because

09:53:11 I don't have them ingrained in my memory.

09:53:16 But a large portion of the homeless in Hillsborough County

09:53:21 are within the city limits.

09:53:23 And although we have Hillsborough County as the lead

09:53:31 governmental body for social services, it is a City of Tampa

09:53:41 need.




09:53:43 And just this morning, in the "Tampa Bay Times," is an

09:53:48 article that talks about Hillsborough County's homeless

09:53:54 recovery program.

09:53:58 And oftentimes we may misplace our trust in another agency

09:54:07 to help us solve problems that directly affect residents and

09:54:12 businesses located within the city.

09:54:16 Many of them in the core of downtown or Ybor City or Tampa

09:54:23 Heights.

09:54:24 So I am not sure that it is wise for the city to continue to

09:54:30 trust Hillsborough County to administer programs that

09:54:36 directly affect our residents and the businesses who are

09:54:40 investing in our community within the city limits.

09:54:43 So, yes, it has been traditional that Hillsborough County is

09:54:48 the lead governmental body that handles programs for the

09:54:52 homeless, but if homeless recovery is an example of how they

09:54:58 conduct business, I think we are misplacing those dollars.

09:55:02 And I'm looking forward to the audit that county

09:55:06 commissioners, I believe, have called for of that department

09:55:11 of Hillsborough County that runs the services.

09:55:19 So perhaps we need, as Ms. Mulhern pointed out, we pass

09:55:24 these ordinances, and we need to take control of the

09:55:26 situation ourselves, because I'm not sure if anybody else is

09:55:31 doing as good a job as we can.

09:55:34 I have tremendous respect for the staff here at the City of

09:55:38 Tampa and the pride that they take in our city and doing a




09:55:42 good job for our city.

09:55:47 And, you know, I think we can do a better job.

09:55:59 I agree, I think we need to do more in terms of solving our

09:56:03 own problems rather than trusting someone else to do it for

09:56:06 us.

09:56:07 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Anyone else?

09:56:07 We go to item B.

09:56:09 >>SONYA LITTLE: Item B.

09:56:11 I believe it was by Councilman Reddick as it relates to

09:56:22 what, I guess, the disparate of projects being funded in the

09:56:29 downtown Channelside district.

09:56:30 And I believe Councilman Reddick, you have had some

09:56:33 discussion with some of our staff, pretty much clarify the

09:56:36 types of projects we are talking about. We believe that the

09:56:39 question came out of the district's maps that have been we

09:56:42 provided at the public hearing surrounding district 5 and

09:56:47 some of its projects, so we have actually added some

09:56:51 additional information to further clarify the types of

09:56:54 projects that you may have been referring to.

09:57:00 Whereof you will seal based on this map that a large

09:57:02 majority of these projects relate to the downtown area where

09:57:04 we are providing improvements to the city's assets.

09:57:09 In particular, we have many improvements to our bridges

09:57:14 located in the downtown area.

09:57:15 Also included on the district map is over a million dollars




09:57:20 in improvements for upgrades to our convention center, for

09:57:26 the elevators and escalator.

09:57:29 We also have the City Hall waterproofing that we have all

09:57:32 discussed in the past that's included here.

09:57:35 Improvements to our parking garages.

09:57:39 And a significant amount of improvements to our water,

09:57:42 wastewater plant.

09:57:43 So down in the bottom part, you will see a number of to

09:57:55 identify improvements to our water, wastewater facility, not

09:57:59 to mention that above the city's assets, direct assets,

09:58:02 including on this map, is the Julian B. lane park as well as

09:58:06 Perry Harvey Sr. park with Julian B. lane at a million,

09:58:12 Harvey at 1.5 million.

09:58:14 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Any comments by council members?

09:58:20 Mr. Reddick?

09:58:21 >>FRANK REDDICK: Funds have been allocated for the Julian

09:58:27 B. Lane Park for what purpose?

09:58:28 >> These are all improvements to the park and completion of

09:58:33 the park.

09:58:37 Do you want the specifics on that, Councilman?

09:58:40 We can pull it and read the description for you.

09:58:43 >>FRANK REDDICK: Okay.

09:58:50 >>BOB McDONAUGH: Administrator, economic opportunity.

09:58:58 Specific to the park, the first part that is putting money

09:59:03 aside for the rebuilding renovation of the park.




09:59:06 The first part was hiring an architect with a company called

09:59:11 Civitas, and their first business is going out and having

09:59:17 community meetings to solicit input for exactly what the

09:59:20 community wants to happen in the park.

09:59:22 And the idea is, I think the overall budget for the park is

09:59:27 around $8 million, if I recall.

09:59:30 And it's money that has been set aside for the past several

09:59:33 years, and once the community agreement is reached upon the

09:59:37 development of the park, then construction will commence.

09:59:40 >>FRANK REDDICK: Is this part of the InVision plan?

09:59:44 >>BOB McDONAUGH: The park was included in the InVision

09:59:48 plan, an important part of the North Boulevard homes redoing

09:59:53 and what's going on in that neighborhood.

09:59:55 But that's one of the largest parks in the city and has not

09:59:58 had improvements done in several years.

10:00:00 And so whether that's expansion of the basketball court, or

10:00:03 the tennis courts, or one of the complaints that young

10:00:07 parents have when they bring their children in is because of

10:00:09 the undulations of the mounds, they can't keep an eye on

10:00:14 their children and concerns about safety.

10:00:16 So the plan is to have a series of community meetings, come

10:00:18 back with some ideas and drawings, vet them through the

10:00:21 community again, and then work on a final plan.

10:00:24 >>FRANK REDDICK: Thank you.

10:00:27 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Any other questions by council?




10:00:28 We go to item C.

10:00:34 >>SONYA LITTLE: I ask for the presentation to be brought up

10:00:39 again, please.

10:00:41 In item C, we were asked to provide an accounting for the

10:00:48 reallocation of funds previously dedicated for the expansion

10:00:51 of the New Tampa recreation center.

10:00:54 In 2008, the ribbon cutting, June of 2008, the ribbon

10:01:00 cutting occurred for the center, the initial construction

10:01:03 costs were $5.4 million for this facility, and in 2013,

10:01:10 which is the current budget year, we had in our CI funding

10:01:17 but also provide a five year plan for the CIP.

10:01:21 From 2012 to 2016, it was included in the budget for

10:01:27 $1.571 million.

10:01:34 As you are aware each budgeting cycle, we revisit the CIP,

10:01:40 the capital improvement plan.

10:01:42 At the time that we did revisit it, as you are also aware,

10:01:46 Many improvements to our existing facilities were

10:01:50 identified.

10:01:51 So some of the available CIP funding was allocated towards

10:01:56 improvements to existing facilities.

10:01:58 However, I think that the misconception is that it was

10:02:02 completely wiped off the books.

10:02:05 It's not.

10:02:05 What we have right now as part of our 2012 allocation or

10:02:10 appropriation, it's $550,000 for expansion of the center,




10:02:18 and then also in the '14 budget, I believe you saw -- and I

10:02:23 did mention in the first public hearing that in 2016, an

10:02:28 additional $851,000 had been identified.

10:02:32 Now, I do understand that discussions are still going on as

10:02:35 far as the needs are concerns related to exactly what the

10:02:40 expansion will entail.

10:02:43 However, as far as I'm aware, the project expansion is not

10:02:47 off the books.

10:02:51 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Council members?

10:02:52 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Thank you, chair.

10:02:53 I don't think I'm any clearer now than I was before about

10:02:58 the funding of the expansion and the timing of the

10:03:04 expansion.

10:03:06 So, okay, when we build the park in 2008, five years ago, we

10:03:14 spent a considerable amount of money building it.

10:03:17 But that's not what we are talking about.

10:03:20 So the inclusion of the 5.4 million is not relevant to, I

10:03:26 think, the question.

10:03:29 But the question is, in the first presentation we had in

10:03:35 June or July, with the draft of the budget and the recap of

10:03:39 where we were, the project was prominently listed as one

10:03:46 that was going to be moving forward in 2014.

10:03:53 So when we got the final budget, that project was no longer

10:03:58 listed as one that would be completed, or even started in

10:04:05 2014.




10:04:06 So we have on the bottom portion of that side the estimated

10:04:14 12 to 16 estimated funds of 1.57 million.

10:04:20 But does that mean that it won't be until 2016 that we will

10:04:32 see an expansion to that center?

10:04:34 >>SONYA LITTLE: Yes.

10:04:35 What it means, and I think it is clear here, you asked us to

10:04:38 give an accounting, and what we did was reiterate that in

10:04:43 2012-16, in the '13 budget, you are correct, it was 1.5

10:04:49 million reflected.

10:04:51 As we revisit the budget and the five-year plan annually, it

10:04:56 was reprogrammed to maintain what had already been actually

10:05:00 appropriated in 2012 at $550,000.

10:05:07 >>LISA MONTELIONE: But that number is not on the slide.

10:05:09 >>SONYA LITTLE: Well, it is included in the 1 .4 million.

10:05:12 I am giving you the breakdown.

10:05:14 >> So the current program funds of 1.4 million is $550,000

10:05:19 in 2014 budget.

10:05:22 >>SONYA LITTLE: That was actually done in 12.

10:05:25 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I'm sorry, okay in, '12.

10:05:29 >>SONYA LITTLE: And then in the current budget it was

10:05:32 reprogrammed for $851,000 in 2016.

10:05:36 >>LISA MONTELIONE: So 550 and 851 gives us the 1.4 million.

10:05:44 But I guess 2016 is two budget cycles away.

10:05:52 >> Right.

10:05:54 >>LISA MONTELIONE: And the programming for the expansion




10:05:56 first started showing up in 2012.

10:05:59 So it's been pushed off four years, and I guess my

10:06:10 constituents may be questioning whether in '16 it's going to

10:06:13 be pushed off another two or four years, and that center

10:06:17 right now is over capacity, and they have a waiting list of

10:06:22 not only children who reside in the New Tampa community,

10:06:27 because there's only two gymnastic centers in the city, one

10:06:31 at Wayne Papy and one at the facility in New Tampa.

10:06:37 And we can't accommodate now the children who want to

10:06:43 participate in that program, and there's a waiting list for

10:06:47 it and people scramble when it's open enrollment for that

10:06:50 program.

10:06:51 Very competitive, because they are so successful.

10:06:57 And to put it off to '16, I can't imagine how long the

10:07:03 waiting list is going to be by then.

10:07:05 >>SONYA LITTLE: From that perspective, with the available

10:07:09 CIP funding that was available for parks and rec, yes.

10:07:14 Some of the moneys were used where we actually did an

10:07:17 increase, again focusing on those facilities that are in

10:07:22 need of repair and maintenance, not expansion for '14, we

10:07:28 budgeted $422,000 for improvements to the existing facility

10:07:32 at Wayne Papy.

10:07:35 We budgeted for '14, $1.4 million for improvements to the

10:07:40 existing facility at the Greco sports center.

10:07:44 So in trying to --




10:07:47 >> Well, the Greco sports center doesn't serve the residents

10:07:50 of the area.

10:07:52 >>SONYA LITTLE: I understand.

10:07:53 >> Greco sports center is a revenue generator because there

10:07:57 are tournaments held there and we are putting that money

10:08:00 into that particular center, not to serve the residents but

10:08:04 to be generate revenue through those tournaments.

10:08:08 And I have talked to the Parks Department before about, you

10:08:12 know, trying to carve out some areas of Greco that would

10:08:16 serve the community, because that immediate area doesn't

10:08:19 have any active parks programming.

10:08:24 You have to go to Copeland park or go to Forest Hills.

10:08:27 And both of those facilities, need repair and maintenance.

10:08:34 Forest Hills half the year is underwater.

10:08:37 So, you know, the recreational opportunities for people in

10:08:41 north Tampa are very limited.

10:08:44 David E. West, another park underwater most of the year.

10:08:48 So I understand that we have a lot of need.

10:08:52 I mean, we talked about a couple of centers that are

10:08:57 uninhabitable.

10:09:00 So I understand the need.

10:09:03 But the need to provide, you know, information to citizens

10:09:11 who are expecting a park program to be available in the

10:09:16 gymnastics program for more children, and then saying, oh,

10:09:23 no, you know, not this year, next year, not this year, the




10:09:27 year after, know it that year, but maybe two years from now,

10:09:31 we keep kicking this can down the road.

10:09:33 And I think that leads to part of the maintenance problems

10:09:37 we have, is that we are not addressing the program's needs

10:09:42 when they occur.

10:09:43 We are putting it off and putting it off and putting it off

10:09:46 until before you know it the place gets rundown because we

10:09:49 are trying to, now, puts too many people in one center that

10:09:55 can't accommodate them.

10:10:00 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Anyone else?

10:10:01 Mr. Cohen?

10:10:01 >>HARRY COHEN: Councilwoman Montelione, I think that we all

10:10:06 feel your pain.

10:10:09 I applaud you for passionately advocating on behalf of the

10:10:13 people in your district.

10:10:14 I have heard the other district council members do the same

10:10:18 for theirs.

10:10:19 I will tell you there's a waiting list at the Hyde Park arts

10:10:22 center.

10:10:24 Bobby is -- 40 years now it needs work and a lot of

10:10:28 renovation.

10:10:29 There are needs in the Ballast Point park.

10:10:31 We have done a beautiful job renovating it but it's now so

10:10:35 overwhelmed with people that are using it that the parking

10:10:37 is spilling outs all over the neighborhood.




10:10:41 There's in a question that the needs are there.

10:10:43 But, at the same time, and because I have the same

10:10:48 frustration with this budget, there's a lot of things that I

10:10:50 would have liked to have seen in it that are real priorities

10:10:54 in individual neighborhoods.

10:10:55 But we do have, you know, $7.5 million estimated to come out

10:11:01 of the reserves.

10:11:02 And so the question becomes, do we want to borrow money to

10:11:07 pay for these projects?

10:11:11 You know, that is -- it's not do we want to spend money that

10:11:16 we have, it's do we want to borrow additional money?

10:11:19 And, you know, it's my hope if we see property tax revenues

10:11:24 increase this next year, which we are all projecting we

10:11:28 will, that's when there are some dollars available.

10:11:32 The first place we look to put them is right back into these

10:11:35 community centers, recreation centers and pools throughout

10:11:38 the city, because they do definitely need it.

10:11:41 And, you know, I think all of us, we see it every day, every

10:11:50 week when we are out in the community.

10:11:53 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Any other council members?

10:11:56 Mrs. Montelione?

10:11:57 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Thank you.

10:12:00 This was just pointed out to believe me by council to ask

10:12:03 this question, and maybe I didn't ask it directly enough.

10:12:07 But where is the 550 allocated for the budget?




10:12:15 I mean, is it a line item somewhere?

10:12:17 Is there $550,000 sitting in an account with earmarked for

10:12:24 this center?

10:12:30 Please stand by.

10:12:46 >>SONYA LITTLE: Councilman Montelione, you are looking at a

10:12:50 page from the current year budget?

10:12:53 >>LISA MONTELIONE: This is a capital improvements project,

10:12:55 2014-2018 project titled New Tampa Center Expansion.

10:13:01 >>SONYA LITTLE: From the current budget year, right?

10:13:06 >>LISA MONTELIONE: This is page 367 and 368.

10:13:13 >> What I believe you are looking at is the page from the

10:13:16 current budget, which shows 800,000 plus.

10:13:23 In 2016.

10:13:26 What is not included there is the prior year budget where

10:13:30 that amount, the 550,000 would occur.

10:13:34 >>LISA MONTELIONE: All right.

10:13:35 Tiff prior year budget book here, but I don't have the

10:13:38 capital improvements.

10:13:40 It's back in my office.

10:13:41 So if I look in that book, I'll find the $550,000.

10:13:47 But don't we have in the revenue and the accounting of

10:13:53 expenses in this book?

10:13:54 >>SONYA LITTLE: No,.

10:13:56 No in the 2012 budget book, the same sheet that you are

10:14:02 looking at right now shows the appropriation in 2012 of




10:14:06 $550,000.

10:14:08 >> Okay.

10:14:09 And that carries over to '13 and carries over to '14?

10:14:13 Then why isn't it on here?

10:14:15 >> Because it's a prior year.

10:14:17 It's an appropriation for that year.

10:14:19 So it remains on the accounting books -- we would have to

10:14:24 come back to you with a budget amendment to change it, to

10:14:28 remove it, like we come back to you to request budget moved

10:14:32 from one site to another, we would have to come back to you

10:14:36 to change it.

10:14:37 >>LISA MONTELIONE: So that money just sits there, and it's

10:14:40 been sitting there since '12.

10:14:43 >> 2012 it was budgeted.

10:14:47 >> It was allocated.

10:14:48 And the other number is the actual 16.

10:14:50 So if we have $550,000 to spend, is there not any type of

10:14:57 activity, expansion, enhancement that we can use that $500

10:15:02 that you for?

10:15:03 >>SONYA LITTLE: If our overall goal is to expand it then

10:15:08 that puts us further and further from expansion but I guess

10:15:13 that is something we can look into.

10:15:15 >> Maybe we can turn the "could" to "will" look into?

10:15:19 >> We can make that request.

10:15:22 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Any further comments?




10:15:26 Any further comments?

10:15:27 Thank you very much.

10:15:27 On C, is -- I'm sorry.

10:15:30 Which is the item that we pulled earlier? E?

10:15:34 We go to D then.

10:15:40 >> Moving to item D on the presentation.

10:15:49 The city's contribution to the transportation project

10:15:52 pertaining to expansion segment A of Bruce B. Downs

10:15:56 Boulevard from Bearss to Palm Springs.

10:15:59 Councilwoman, you could correct me if I am wrong.

10:16:01 I believe that your answers to the following, which was also

10:16:06 about Bruce B. Downs, that was the one that was actually --

10:16:16 >>LISA MONTELIONE: E was pulled from the agenda because I

10:16:18 met with Mr. Herr and he clarified as well as the water and

10:16:25 stormwater -- I mean, water and wastewater clarified that

10:16:33 piece.

10:16:34 >>SONYA LITTLE: So we have the right one here that you want

10:16:38 additional information.

10:16:39 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Well, this, is this the relocation of

10:16:47 the lines?

10:16:49 So this information is actually not D, it's E?

10:16:53 Because the other segment, I mean.

10:17:06 >>BRAD BAIRD: Water department.

10:17:08 For item D, the weight water share is for -- wastewater

10:17:19 share is for two force mains into one force main to 18-inch




10:17:26 and 24-inch force main that are severely corroded and need

10:17:30 to be replaced anyway, and it was a good time to do it as

10:17:34 part of this roadway project, and they are being replaced

10:17:38 with a 30-inch force main.

10:17:42 And on the waterside, this is the defective pipeline that

10:17:49 failed over a year ago in May of 2012.

10:17:54 It is a replacement of that transmission main.

10:17:58 >>LISA MONTELIONE: So segment A is Bruce B. Downs, Bearss

10:18:02 to Palm Springs, and that's five year segment A in both

10:18:06 water and wastewater.

10:18:09 So the item E, which as Mr. HR addressed, different segment

10:18:19 from Bearss to Tampa Palms Boulevard --

10:18:22 >> Yes, Tampa Palms Boulevard and Palm Springs if I am not

10:18:25 mistaken are not that far air part.

10:18:28 >> No, they are not.

10:18:30 >>BRAD BAIRD: So I was assuming they were asking for the

10:18:32 entire project on Bruce B. Downs.

10:18:35 So that's why we summarized.

10:18:37 >>LISA MONTELIONE: And both projects are relocation and

10:18:40 upgrade of the transmission line?

10:18:45 >>BRAD BAIRD: Correct.

10:18:47 >>LISA MONTELIONE: So it's not any roadway improvement that

10:18:52 was contributing do.

10:18:54 It's not traffic lights.

10:18:55 It's not -- because generally that's what we do on Bruce B.




10:18:59 Downs is the traffic lights and signalization.

10:19:04 >>BRAD BAIRD: Corrected.

10:19:04 Those were funded by the county.

10:19:05 >>LISA MONTELIONE: So it's strictly utility lines for both

10:19:10 projects?

10:19:14 >>BRAD BAIRD: Yes.

10:19:15 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Any other comments on that section D?

10:19:18 Okay.

10:19:18 I believe E is taken care of.

10:19:20 Am I correct?

10:19:21 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Yes.

10:19:22 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: We go to F.

10:19:36 >>SONYA LITTLE: F is as it relates to the restoration of

10:19:40 the $25,000 contribution to the nonprofit, the Ybor City

10:19:46 museum society.

10:19:48 And I did ask at the last meeting that I had the opportunity

10:19:53 to go back and wanted to check the history on funding for

10:19:55 the museum.

10:19:57 And for the past including 2014, three consecutive years,

10:20:02 the funding levels have remained constant.

10:20:05 Those years include 2012, 2013, and of course the proposed

10:20:10 2014.

10:20:12 Additionally, the museum has applied for and is being

10:20:15 considered through the Ybor City CRA facade grant program, a

10:20:21 $50,000 grant which I understand the application has been




10:20:25 received and is going through the application or

10:20:28 underwriting process and will come back to you for approval

10:20:31 once it goes through the underwriting process.

10:20:34 So all factors being considered, we at this time have not

10:20:41 provided any additional funding for the museum in this

10:20:44 year's budget.

10:20:46 The '14 budgets.

10:20:47 >>MARY MULHERN: Thank you, Ms. Little.

10:20:51 The CRA facade grant, those are matching grants, though,

10:20:55 correct?

10:20:57 So that means they have to actually come um with $50,000

10:21:02 themselves for that, which is another reason why they -- you

10:21:09 know, the reason that I had questions about this -- and

10:21:11 there were two other.

10:21:13 I know one of them was the Tampa Bay community network cable

10:21:19 station and there was one other not for profit.

10:21:22 And of all of the not for profits that were funded last

10:21:26 year, those were the only three that were moved.

10:21:29 So I guess you are saying the reasoning for the museum is

10:21:34 because they may be getting a facade grant?

10:21:38 Where.

10:21:38 >>SONYA LITTLE: No, that wasn't the reason.

10:21:40 They were constant over the prior years.

10:21:43 What they were referring to were cuts that occurred several

10:21:45 years ago.




10:21:48 They were not cut last year.

10:21:49 >>MARY MULHERN: Right.

10:21:52 The problem is, during the last three lean years, they

10:21:56 weren't cult.

10:21:56 But this year, when we do have a little more money, a little

10:21:59 more revenue, they were one of the not for profits that was

10:22:02 cut by 25,000.

10:22:04 >>SONYA LITTLE: Councilwoman, they were not cut.

10:22:08 13 compared to 14 is the same amount.

10:22:11 >>MARY MULHERN: The restoration from what year was it?

10:22:14 >>SONYA LITTLE: 2008, I believe she said.

10:22:16 They were not cut this year compared to last year.

10:22:19 >>MARY MULHERN: All right. Okay.

10:22:22 I see what you are saying.

10:22:23 I don't know if that was the same -- if that was fairly

10:22:28 applied to all the other not for profits or not.

10:22:31 But my impression was that they felt singled out as far

10:22:35 as --

10:22:36 >>SONYA LITTLE: I'm sorry, for three years we had the same

10:22:39 contribution.

10:22:39 >>MARY MULHERN: All right.

10:22:42 I wish we could find that money in the budget for them

10:22:44 because I think that's very important.

10:22:46 But especially now that they are getting the new museum, the

10:22:51 new baseball museum, maybe we could find some money




10:22:55 somewhere for that.

10:22:56 >>SONYA LITTLE: Yes, ma'am, I understand, knock on the

10:23:02 door.

10:23:04 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Mr. Reddick and Mr. Suarez.

10:23:05 >>FRANK REDDICK: Thank you, chair.

10:23:07 The $50,000 facade grant, that is basically different from

10:23:15 what they are requesting.

10:23:16 They are asking for operation of a funds.

10:23:21 And they are asking that be restored to an operational

10:23:26 level.

10:23:27 And, you know, they came forward and requested that.

10:23:36 And I think that is something that needs to be considered.

10:23:47 And is there a problem with restoring the $25,000 for

10:23:53 operational funds?

10:23:56 >>SONYA LITTLE: That's a problem, sir, quite frankly,

10:23:58 because we have numerous nonprofits that have been cut over

10:24:01 the years for various reasons, funding availabilities and so

10:24:06 forth.

10:24:06 So to entertain one of the other, when we have done our best

10:24:09 to keep them at the same level for at least the last three

10:24:13 years, I think for this year would be extremely difficult to

10:24:19 justify at this point.

10:24:20 >>FRANK REDDICK: Well, let me ask you.

10:24:24 And I don't have my sheet with me that I had when we first

10:24:29 discussed this.




10:24:30 But there are four nonprofit agencies that receive expansion

10:24:39 cuts.

10:24:39 One I believe was some type of cable, and I believe speak up

10:24:54 Tampa Bay or something like that.

10:24:57 All the sail thing?

10:24:58 And I think it was the Menéndez foundation?

10:25:04 I'm trying to remember.

10:25:07 When I had that sheet.

10:25:08 But they would be the highest percentage cuts of anybody

10:25:14 else.

10:25:15 >>SONYA LITTLE: I can tell you, Councilman, that for the

10:25:20 Menéndez foundation, it wags their choice, because of our

10:25:24 reporting requirements, they opted to take a certain amount.

10:25:27 So that was not a city directive.

10:25:30 It wags by their own request.

10:25:32 >>FRANK REDDICK: Talking about the cable.

10:25:39 >>SONYA LITTLE: The other cable, when it wags reviewed for

10:25:42 the available funding for all of this, they had not

10:25:45 received, in comparison to the others, cuts in the past.

10:25:48 >>FRANK REDDICK: Why did the League of Cities receive an

10:25:56 increase?

10:25:59 >>SONYA LITTLE: That's their fee that is correct they

10:26:00 charge to us.

10:26:01 The majority of items that you see in nondepartmental are

10:26:05 based on the support of the access that we actually have




10:26:08 ownership in, contractual obligations, and fees that are

10:26:14 actually charged to the city.

10:26:17 >>FRANK REDDICK: Is that the same with, if I recall

10:26:20 correctly, I believe it was conference of mayors?

10:26:23 >>SONYA LITTLE: Yes, sir.

10:26:24 It's a fee that's charged to the city.

10:26:26 It's not a gift, full.

10:26:28 It's a fee that's charged to the city.

10:26:30 >>FRANK REDDICK: They don't have a conference of City

10:26:39 Council people so that we can charge a fee?

10:26:42 >>SONYA LITTLE: Oh, I see.

10:26:43 I like that idea.

10:26:45 [ Laughter ]

10:26:46 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Mrs. Montelione.

10:26:47 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Thank you.

10:26:48 Can you tell me what the protocol office allocation is for?

10:26:59 >>SONYA LITTLE: Yes, ma'am.

10:27:00 It is a partnership that we have with Hillsborough County

10:27:02 and others to facilitate international trade, and it was

10:27:07 approved by resolution in 2004 as a partnership.

10:27:24 With greater Tampa, Tampa Chamber of Commerce, Tampa Bay

10:27:26 Convention and Visitors Bureau, Hillsborough County Aviation

10:27:30 Authority, Tampa Port Authority, University of South

10:27:34 Florida, and I can provide you with a resolution if you

10:27:38 like.




10:27:39 >>LISA MONTELIONE: And the $40,000 that they are allocated,

10:27:45 is that a percentage that we share with the others, so there

10:27:53 is a budget that they have, and then we divide it by

10:27:58 percentage?

10:28:00 >>SONYA LITTLE: It dates back to 2004.

10:28:02 It is a flat $40,000 fee as agreed to.

10:28:08 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Because I'm thinking maybe, you know, a

10:28:13 2004 resolution, maybe we need to be take a look at that.

10:28:18 That item again?

10:28:19 Because we have many more people working in the area of

10:28:23 international trade today than we had in 2004.

10:28:28 So, you know, I could be wrong, and I probably will -- my

10:28:34 phone is probably ringing as we speak in my office about the

10:28:37 questions that I'm asking.

10:28:38 But perhaps the support may not be needed at the same level

10:28:47 today as it was in 2004 because we do have many more

10:28:53 individuals, groups, agencies, working on that particular

10:28:58 effort of the.

10:29:03 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Mr. Cohen?

10:29:04 >>HARRY COHEN: Just by way of some information, I dealt

10:29:07 with this office before on a number of different things.

10:29:10 And it seems to me this is actually be a very good example

10:29:13 of how something ought to work, because rather than

10:29:17 everybody having their own bureaucracy dealing with this,

10:29:21 every single major entity in the city and region that deals




10:29:25 with international relations in any way is pooling together

10:29:30 money to support this effort.

10:29:34 My sense is that if we look at it -- and we certainly can

10:29:38 exam it -- but my sense we are going to find it's a good

10:29:43 investment for $40,000.

10:29:45 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I apologize to be Councilman Suarez.

10:29:47 You were next and I went to Mr. Cohen.

10:29:49 I guess financial director has privileges over public works.

10:29:55 I made a mistake and I admit to it.

10:29:57 Mr. Suarez.

10:29:58 [ Laughter ]

10:30:00 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I wanted to get back on the issue that Mr.

10:30:06 Reddick had brought up.

10:30:07 I agree with Ms. Mulhern.

10:30:09 We have got to find a way to be tray to support the Ybor

10:30:13 City museum.

10:30:14 But it is an operational issue.

10:30:16 When they have lean times on the Iorio administration, that

10:30:20 is when it started to cut.

10:30:22 We have not -- I don't think we have done anything in those

10:30:25 intervening years to increase it or decrease it.

10:30:28 The problems that they have -- and I talked to both the

10:30:32 Executive Director and our former Councilwoman Alvarez about

10:30:37 this.

10:30:38 And because they are in a different area with this new




10:30:42 baseball history museum, they are trying to find ways to

10:30:46 make themselves -- I think they have made themselves very

10:30:49 efficient in terms of what they are doing, but it's very

10:30:51 hard to continue that aspect.

10:30:53 Now, I know that because of the state museum in addition,

10:30:59 there's some cost that's borne by the state.

10:31:01 And my suggestions to both their board and to their director

10:31:05 has been to meet with our parks director to find out if

10:31:08 there is something within our parks budget that can help

10:31:11 alleviate some of their issues concerning operation.

10:31:15 And primarily in terms of personnel.

10:31:18 And then also to reach out.

10:31:19 And I think we can do this ourselves as council members.

10:31:22 It's to reach outs to the legislature and the state

10:31:26 government to find out if there's any dollars we can gain to

10:31:28 help mitigate that loss of that $25,000.

10:31:33 The other aspect of this -- and I think all of us are doing

10:31:36 it right now, which is those policy decisions that we have

10:31:38 to make as council members concerning what we want to keep

10:31:42 in a budget and what we want it the to take out, and, you

10:31:45 know, where it goes, there's different policy considerations

10:31:49 that we have to think about, and political considerations.

10:31:51 So I appreciate the fact that you did find the resolution

10:31:55 for the protocol, because that was one of the questions that

10:31:58 I was going to ask, which is, I knew that the county had a




10:32:01 protocol office.

10:32:02 I knew that we had it.

10:32:03 I wasn't sure how they operated in conjunction.

10:32:05 I wasn't sure how the chamber operated in relation to that,

10:32:10 and how some of the other pieces fell into place for

10:32:14 protocol priorities.

10:32:17 So I appreciate you doing your research as you typically do

10:32:21 in bringing that answer to us.

10:32:22 So, chair, that's all I have.

10:32:24 I am not asking to ask for the floor again, I promise.

10:32:29 [ Laughter ]

10:32:30 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I am not going to forget that, sir.

10:32:32 I'm sorry.

10:32:34 You know, I haven't said anything, but this budget like any

10:32:37 other budget, like your own budget at your own house like a

10:32:41 small rubber band or large rubber band, depending on how you

10:32:44 look at it and it moves and it changes throughout the year

10:32:47 by changes that are made, as things come sometimes under

10:32:51 budget, when you do projects, sometimes over budget on

10:32:56 projects and that's how these resolutions come in on changes

10:32:59 on the line item.

10:33:01 And I understand that the plea and the plight to have all of

10:33:05 these nonprofits restored to the original cut back in 2008.

10:33:10 But when you go back to 2008, and you think you are out of

10:33:14 the woods, you are really not.




10:33:16 If you think you have a balanced budget, you have to look at

10:33:19 why you have a balanced budget.

10:33:22 You have a balanced budget because you borrowed money from

10:33:24 yourself.

10:33:25 You borrowed $7.5 million from yourself to make it balance.

10:33:32 So you have to fudge a little bit because we have a balanced

10:33:35 budget, but you also had to borrow that money from your

10:33:39 reserves to make it balance.

10:33:41 So just think.

10:33:46 If we went strictly by the fathers that set this up, and the

10:33:50 mothers, too and say you can't bore object from that

10:33:53 reserve, you would be another $7.5 million short.

10:33:58 We haven't done that.

10:34:00 So in essence what we are doing here is a working operation

10:34:05 thing of $832.9 million, if I remember the number, to work

10:34:10 along and get what we have to get done.

10:34:13 How do you prioritize the budget?

10:34:17 It's very difficult.

10:34:19 And it didn't start yesterday.

10:34:22 The day you approved the budget, the next day out start

10:34:24 working on the following year's budget, because it's a very

10:34:29 complex and very time-consuming from a lot of people.

10:34:33 We get it during certain periods of the year, and really

10:34:39 have to approve or not approve in September.

10:34:43 What I'm saying is, am I happy?




10:34:48 Not 100%.

10:34:50 But I also understand the working of the whole city, and not

10:34:55 what I want.

10:34:56 It's what the city needs.

10:34:58 And how do you allocate those funds? And how do you do it

10:35:02 in a proper manner?

10:35:03 For instance, I am going to go back.

10:35:05 We talked a lot about recreation.

10:35:08 At one time, if we think we got problems now, you go back 15

10:35:11 years.

10:35:14 We should have condemned every city recreation facility that

10:35:18 we had.

10:35:19 They were in terrible shape.

10:35:21 And the media got this in record from the -- not the prior

10:35:28 administration or one prior Greco administration.

10:35:30 They are the ones that put the CIP money to work in a lot of

10:35:35 areas to fix the recreation department that we have.

10:35:39 It was rec centers, and Drew Park, that were moved to Al

10:35:44 Lopez park, there were centers that were built in West

10:35:47 Tampa, there were areas in East Tampa, there were areas done

10:35:53 in Palmetto Beach, areas done in South Tampa, recreation was

10:35:57 in shambles.

10:35:59 And that administration put money there.

10:36:04 How do they get that money there? Somewhere along the line,

10:36:07 some other projects weren't done, because it was prioritized




10:36:11 that that was a need that had to be done.

10:36:14 What we have today is the success that we built on, and

10:36:21 these rec centers have become more than what they were

10:36:29 architecturally designed for, the public use.

10:36:32 And these a great thing.

10:36:33 But with success also comes failure.

10:36:37 Now how do we keep track and advance these items with the

10:36:41 money that we have?

10:36:44 We have a problem.

10:36:45 The problem is going to be addressed.

10:36:50 We can't do them all in one year.

10:36:53 Whatever I want to do in my household and whatever holdings

10:36:56 I have, I can't fix them all in one year.

10:36:59 It takes time to do that.

10:37:00 It's the same item that we have today.

10:37:04 Are we getting there?

10:37:05 I believe we are.

10:37:06 But it takes an effort of more than one year and more than

10:37:11 one budget.

10:37:12 And all I'm asking is let's go back.

10:37:16 And you think we have been successful at building these

10:37:20 things.

10:37:20 Realize what it is.

10:37:22 Where was Tampa ten years ago?

10:37:23 Where is Tampa at today?




10:37:25 It's the working of all of us, not just as council, not just

10:37:29 this administration, but every citizen in the City of Tampa

10:37:32 that participated through hard work to make this city a

10:37:34 better place to live.

10:37:36 And if you look at the census, we are going to be the hot

10:37:40 spot in the south.

10:37:41 And we are getting there little by little.

10:37:43 And the only way we can get there is in the mannerism in

10:37:47 which we are doing it.

10:37:48 Are we perfect?

10:37:49 I don't think we are.

10:37:51 Are we getting there in the right direction?

10:37:53 I believe we are.

10:37:54 And that's all I am going to say right now.

10:37:56 So we are still on item F.

10:38:00 Have we finished with F?

10:38:02 We go to G.

10:38:09 >>SONYA LITTLE: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

10:38:10 Item G.

10:38:13 The request was made to come back and give a report on the

10:38:16 recommendations of the citizens advisory committee compared

10:38:22 to last year's recommendation.

10:38:24 And I went back and I highlighted several of the key

10:38:27 components of those recommendations to provide you with an

10:38:31 update on where we are.




10:38:33 First of all, let me start by saying -- and I mentioned in

10:38:37 meetings that working, you have all appointed some very,

10:38:41 very dynamic citizens to the committee that worked very

10:38:47 hard, spent a tremendous amount of time, and have given

10:38:53 staff the opportunity to provide exactly a full rundown of

10:38:59 how we do business here, and actually engage in some very

10:39:02 productive discussion, and how moving forward we can improve

10:39:06 the way we do business.

10:39:07 So one of the things that they did point out in both fiscal

10:39:13 years was a compensation survey, recommendation that we

10:39:18 conduct a compensation survey.

10:39:20 That is certainly taken under advisement.

10:39:23 The only thing that we caution is that our world is changing

10:39:27 quickly here at the city.

10:39:30 At the risk of sounding like a broken record, ERP is coming

10:39:35 onboard, and that's no secret.

10:39:40 With ERP, we will have improved efficiencies, greater

10:39:44 transparency, and the way we do business is going to change

10:39:47 significantly for the better.

10:39:48 So as it relates to a compensation study, you know,

10:39:52 recognizing where we are going with technology, improving

10:39:55 our efficiencies, and the fact that we have had several

10:40:00 departmental reorganizations just recently that we are still

10:40:04 settling in, it might be a little bit premature at this

10:40:08 point to consider a compensation survey.




10:40:11 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Mr. Cohen?

10:40:13 >>HARRY COHEN: Just a suggestion.

10:40:14 I think this is one of these items where it may not be

10:40:18 necessary to reinvent the wheel.

10:40:20 There are an awful lot of other agencies that have been

10:40:23 employees in very similar classifications to the City of

10:40:26 Tampa who have conducted compensation surveys in the past

10:40:31 year or 18 months.

10:40:32 And since those are all public records, I would think it

10:40:35 would be very easy for us to get our hands on them and look

10:40:38 at them, and my own familiarity with some of those studies

10:40:42 tells me that they will provide a lot of information to the

10:40:44 city that we can use in making these determinations without

10:40:50 actually having to go to the expense of commissioning our

10:40:53 own study at this time.

10:40:55 Once ERP is implemented, it might be a good I Deet to do

10:40:59 that, but this might be a good stop gap way of addressing

10:41:02 that recommendation.

10:41:02 >>SONYA LITTLE: Thank you, Councilman.

10:41:06 We have a tremendous amount of moving parts at this time.

10:41:09 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Ms. Mulhern?

10:41:10 >>MARY MULHERN: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

10:41:11 With regard to the compensation studies, this whole item,

10:41:17 item G, having to do with the budget advisory committee and

10:41:20 their recommendations, I want to put it in a little




10:41:24 perspective for council that the first year that they made

10:41:30 the recommendations, I believe one of their recommendations

10:41:33 was that we go back and look at the compensation study that

10:41:39 has been done, right before it started.

10:41:45 So the city did a compensation study several years ago.

10:41:49 It was, I think, during mayor Iorio's first term.

10:41:54 So when the budget advisory committee first convened, they

10:41:59 wanted to look at that salary study.

10:42:02 Probably not going to fly now, but I just want people to

10:42:07 know that the reason they continue to ask for some of the

10:42:09 same things every year is because they didn't get much

10:42:12 response.

10:42:13 So the great thing about staff and how the mayor has been

10:42:19 dealing with this committee is that you have been working

10:42:22 with them, providing them with all the information.

10:42:24 There's been a lot of back and forth.

10:42:26 The not so great thing is, I don't think we have gotten to

10:42:29 the point yet where -- and maybe you can correct me if I am

10:42:35 wrong but it doesn't seem any of these great recommendations

10:42:39 we have gotten have actually been adopted.

10:42:43 >>SONYA LITTLE: Well, if you will allow me to go through

10:42:48 this.

10:42:49 >>MARY MULHERN: Yes.

10:42:50 And the other thing I was going to say, and I was going to

10:42:53 say this under the last item but I think it's probably more




10:42:56 appropriate to say it now.

10:42:57 And I don't know if this has ever been one of the

10:43:01 recommendations of the budget committee, but I think with

10:43:06 the non-departmental expenses that we were discussing, we

10:43:12 need a better process.

10:43:14 We need more trance pansy.

10:43:16 We need best practices.

10:43:17 And I have been saying this since I was on council.

10:43:21 But I guess my first question to you -- and I think you will

10:43:25 notice -- and I don't have it right in front of me -- knits

10:43:28 this book somewhere -- but what is the total amount in this

10:43:31 year's budget of nondepartmental expenses?

10:43:33 >>SONYA LITTLE: I'll get it.

10:43:39 >> Radar just gave total me.

10:43:44 20 million.

10:43:45 I just wanted to repeat that number.

10:43:50 20.3838 million.

10:43:53 So this council today seems to have come down to just asking

10:43:58 for in that funding, if we could find 25,000 for our

10:44:04 historic Ybor City museum.

10:44:05 So in that amount of money somewhere, I hope we can find it

10:44:12 and maybe do some readjustment of where some of the other

10:44:17 maybe not for profits.

10:44:19 And my point is that this year, $20 million of

10:44:24 nondepartmental money, of taxpayer money, general fund




10:44:29 money, is being distributed, without any kind of transparent

10:44:33 process to be -- I know there is a process, and I know every

10:44:37 department looks at these, and you have given us some really

10:44:40 good information today about the thought process behind it.

10:44:44 But as far as how it works for those departments -- I'm

10:44:49 sorry, those agencies that are asking for funding, and for

10:44:52 the public who is watching how we didn't and how we allocate

10:44:56 that money, I think we need to have a more transparent

10:44:59 process.

10:45:00 I think we need to look at best practices.

10:45:02 I'm sure if we looked at the county, the county has a

10:45:04 process for not for profits.

10:45:07 How do we fund them?

10:45:08 Is there an application process?

10:45:10 What do those individuals have to show?

10:45:12 And I think there's a few things that are very obvious.

10:45:17 When you look at funding for not for profits, where is that

10:45:20 money going to?

10:45:21 Is it going for their mission or is it going to salaries?

10:45:24 That's a big question, and we need to look at that.

10:45:28 Secondly, are those salaries appropriate?

10:45:30 When you have public funding going to fund jobs, are we

10:45:34 paying the appropriate amount?

10:45:40 And I think the third question, which is really important,

10:45:43 is, are they maximizing their own fund-raising capabilities?




10:45:48 And the Ybor City museum is a very good example of a very

10:45:54 small organization with very little public money who has

10:45:57 been raising a lot of money on their own.

10:46:01 And I think that when we contribute to those not for

10:46:04 profits, we need to think about that.

10:46:07 So I'm asking our Finance Committee, if they didn't -- I

10:46:13 don't believe this is one of their recommendations this

10:46:15 year, but I think next year they really look at that, come

10:46:18 up with a framework for how we are allocating -- and I also

10:46:23 think a really good step that the mayor hired a grants

10:46:27 writer finally, and that should be a department, really, you

10:46:30 know, grants and not for profit funding, and are if we

10:46:37 continue to expand that -- and that's something that would

10:46:42 fit well within that department to look at how we allocate

10:46:46 our own dollars, not just the application for grant money

10:46:50 that we do, but how do we allocate it, and allocate that

10:46:59 fund, nondepartmental fund.

10:47:01 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have Mr. Reddick and Mr. Suarez.

10:47:02 >>FRANK REDDICK: Piggybacking on what Mrs. Mulhern was

10:47:10 talking about, the $25,000 that the museum is requesting,

10:47:16 let me tell you where you can get that $25,000 from.

10:47:24 We have got a million dollars from a developer with this

10:47:31 project.

10:47:31 They are also getting over some $400,000 from the city.

10:47:35 Taking $25,000 out of that 400,000-some is not going to kill




10:47:41 them because they just got an extra million dollars.

10:47:43 You can start there.

10:47:45 25 not going to hurt them when will they got a million that

10:47:48 they didn't expect to get.

10:47:49 And they are sitting on a cool $1 million.

10:47:53 And they have got a whole $25,000 from the city and taking

10:47:58 25, and you can take that 25 from that, and they still have

10:48:04 plenty of month. You can start there.

10:48:05 >>SONYA LITTLE: Along those lines -- and I understand

10:48:07 exactly what you are saying -- the other nonprofits as well,

10:48:10 they may not have appeared, but we get the calls.

10:48:14 >>FRANK REDDICK: But that's their mistake because they

10:48:16 haven't appeared before council.

10:48:18 [ Laughter ]

10:48:20 >>SONYA LITTLE: And they may.

10:48:22 >>FRANK REDDICK: Not one other nonprofit has -- so it's

10:48:29 their loss.

10:48:30 But we are trying to say, we think that those $25,000 being

10:48:37 allocated to their museum, and that will start right there

10:48:43 from taking that small percentage of 25,000 from that budget

10:48:48 when they got a cool $1 million that's coming to them.

10:48:52 It is not going to hurt them.

10:48:56 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have got Mr. Suarez, Ms. Montelione,

10:48:59 Mr. Cohen in, that order.

10:49:01 Pardon me?




10:49:02 Mr. Suarez first.

10:49:06 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Ms. Little, I know you are going to go

10:49:17 through the rest of these recommendations also.

10:49:19 And I understand.

10:49:20 And I wish a cool million nowadays, you need a cool 10

10:49:26 million to do anything.

10:49:30 I'm sure that there may be -- and I think Mr. Cohen can

10:49:33 answer this concerning the those dollars that are being

10:49:36 given to the Straz, but as a different issue, which is we

10:49:41 own the Straz.

10:49:42 It's our property.

10:49:43 It's something that we need to take care of.

10:49:45 So as good as an organization as the Ybor museum is, it is

10:49:55 still not owned by the city and we need to make sure we

10:49:57 understand that.

10:49:58 We like to give money to different nonprofits.

10:50:00 We like to be a partner with them in any way possible.

10:50:02 But it's still things that we own primarily in that part of

10:50:05 our budget.

10:50:06 And you mentioned it before, I think I mentioned it a couple

10:50:11 weeks ago or last week when we had our budget meeting, is

10:50:14 that most of those dollars go into those assets that we own

10:50:19 and we control, primarily.

10:50:21 And, you know, the biggest chunks of those dollars go to the

10:50:26 Straz, they go to the aquarium.




10:50:29 Those are physical assets that we own.

10:50:32 So I just want to make sure that we reemphasize that,

10:50:35 because again, there may be some dollars that come out of

10:50:38 the moneys that the developer has made a commitment to the

10:50:42 Straz that we can using.

10:50:45 But it's not really necessarily a chunk coming out thereof

10:50:48 but it's a way that we move money.

10:50:51 And you are very good at that in terms whereof we need to

10:50:54 fill holes and where we need to find the dollars to make

10:50:57 this city operate.

10:50:58 So I just want to point that out.

10:51:00 I am going to let you go through the rest of the

10:51:02 recommendations because there are some on there especially

10:51:04 on the parking issue that we want to talk about.

10:51:07 And I think I will just wait until she gets to that point

10:51:10 and discuss that.

10:51:13 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have Mr. Cohen and Mrs. Montelione.

10:51:14 >>HARRY COHEN: Thank you.

10:51:18 There first of all, let me just say that I applaud the

10:51:21 effort to try to help the Ybor City museum.

10:51:23 I think it's a very worthy organization, and given the

10:51:27 baseball that they have underway I would love for us to try

10:51:32 to find $25 that you whether it be in the parks budget or

10:51:36 somewhere else in order to help them.

10:51:39 I always am concerned when we start, for lack of a better




10:51:44 word, cannibalizing one agency in order to help another.

10:51:47 And I wanted to address the issues regarding the Straz

10:51:49 Center.

10:51:50 Councilman Suarez points out that the city does own the

10:51:53 Straz Center.

10:51:55 With regards to the million dollars, my sense is that that

10:51:58 is a deal that is long past being under our control.

10:52:02 We dealt with will that this summer.

10:52:03 But in terms of the Straz's needs, right now, the Straz

10:52:07 center is 25 years old, and it has $10 million in capital

10:52:11 needs.

10:52:11 It needs new seats, recovered in the Carol Morsani theater,

10:52:20 it needs a new air conditioning system, it needs all kinds

10:52:23 of work that a 25-year-old building that has literally

10:52:29 hundreds of thousands of people in and out of it on a

10:52:32 regular basis needs.

10:52:35 The Straz Center is a tremendous economic generator for this

10:52:39 region, and one of the competitions that it's going to be

10:52:43 facing in the next couple of years is the opening of a just

10:52:48 as large performing arts center in downtown Orlando that is

10:52:51 going to compete with this for various different traveling

10:52:57 productions.

10:52:57 We also get very stiff competition from Ruth Eckerd hall in

10:53:01 Clearwater.

10:53:02 So it's very, very important that, again because the city




10:53:08 owns it that we keep up with their needs.

10:53:10 I will tell you that from my perspective, I feel the

10:53:12 opposite.

10:53:13 I think that they actually should be getting more support

10:53:16 from the city, not less.

10:53:18 Because if they can't continue to invest money in their

10:53:22 capital plan, and it starts to affect their ability to bring

10:53:26 in business, the economic impact downtown is going to be

10:53:30 very, very significant.

10:53:32 So, you know, again, I am always happy to talk about the

10:53:38 needs of a lot of the worthy organizations in the city.

10:53:42 But for one that the city has such a large investment in,

10:53:46 and that has such really significant long-term capital

10:53:49 needs, I don't think that that's an appropriate place to go

10:53:52 and get the money.

10:53:55 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Ms. Montelione?

10:53:56 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Thank you.

10:53:59 I'll say one thing about the needs of the Straz Center, and

10:54:02 then one other comment, and then hear the rest of what you

10:54:10 have to say, Mrs. Little.

10:54:13 I'm very interested in sustainability, environmental issues,

10:54:17 and energy efficiencies, because one of the reasons that you

10:54:22 employ those kinds of strategies is to be safe money.

10:54:26 Anytime you do an energy efficiency measure, you are going

10:54:30 to save money.




10:54:31 And it has come to my attention that the Straz recently

10:54:40 purchased equipment for their air handler and chiller

10:54:45 system.

10:54:46 I also had -- and this goes back the to when we first took

10:54:52 office, I had talked about the city employing a similar

10:54:57 strategy to what the county had done in building their own

10:55:02 chiller plant and having their buildings feed off of that

10:55:06 that chiller plant -- now because you work at the clerk's

10:55:09 office.

10:55:10 I don't not if anybody else went on that tour.

10:55:12 It was very impressive.

10:55:16 And it was built in such a way that the company that won the

10:55:20 award to build it has a price guarantee.

10:55:24 So if the county is not saving money the company then covers

10:55:32 that expense.

10:55:33 If they do save money, they can sell the additional capacity

10:55:38 to other clients.

10:55:40 And I reached out, and I thought, well, this would be a

10:55:44 great idea, especially with be the new residences being

10:55:47 built.

10:55:47 We have got the art museum.

10:55:49 We have got the Glazer Children's Museum.

10:55:52 And the Straz Center, which a couple of them we own or have

10:55:57 very large stakes in, except for the residences building.

10:56:02 What a great place to put something like that, a chiller




10:56:08 system, that would feed all of those buildings?

10:56:10 You would have energy efficiencies, you would have cost

10:56:12 savings, it would be a wonderful thing.

10:56:15 Well, when I talked to our attorney division about that,

10:56:23 they said, well, the Straz doesn't usually consult, or

10:56:29 facilities management division, with their needs for

10:56:34 improvements.

10:56:34 And that's how I found through that conversation that they

10:56:38 had just recently purchased an air conditioning system that

10:56:44 was a lot of money, but didn't -- the chiller upgrade,

10:56:52 there's equipment on order, hasn't been installed yet but it

10:56:55 has been ordered.

10:56:56 And I thought, well, maybe there's a better interaction that

10:57:00 needs to take place between the facilities, not just the

10:57:03 Straz, but the art museum and the Glazer museum, and the

10:57:06 concentration of properties that are we have in that area,

10:57:09 or any area in the city where we have co-located facilities.

10:57:13 So I think maybe a little bit more strategic planning needs

10:57:17 to take place for the upkeep of the facilities that we own.

10:57:23 And the other thing I wanted to say was I went over the

10:57:26 committee recommendations from last year and compared them

10:57:28 to the committee recommendations for this year, and six of

10:57:32 them are carry-overs from the year before.

10:57:39 Of the ten recommendations that they made.

10:57:42 So --




10:57:45 >>SONYA LITTLE: Missing one.

10:57:48 >> The compensation study.

10:57:49 Utilize compensation survey results to evaluate employee

10:57:52 compensation, which is exactly the same.

10:57:54 I mean -- amend the city charter to be realigned with the

10:58:01 state investment policy, parking, and fleet,

10:58:06 recommendations.

10:58:06 Those are all the same as they were last year.

10:58:09 Only the dates were changed.

10:58:10 >>SONYA LITTLE: Okay.

10:58:14 I think we have the same.

10:58:15 >>HARRY COHEN: I just want to respond by saying that I know

10:58:18 that whatever expenditures the Straz Center has had in their

10:58:23 recent years has been to keep an old system running because

10:58:27 they are going to be in need of an entirely new system.

10:58:30 And just to put the criticality, you can imagine if their

10:58:39 air conditioning goes down they are out of business.

10:58:41 I mean, they are finished.

10:58:45 You really don't have any evidence at all that they are not

10:58:48 coordinating.

10:58:49 I mean, I think that you are starting to go into their

10:58:52 internal operation, and I just don't know than that's fair.

10:58:58 In any event, I know they have been working hard to keep

10:59:01 running an old system that needs to be replaced.

10:59:04 And, you know, I know that their need for a new one is going




10:59:09 to be very costly.

10:59:11 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I think what we'll do, Mr. Cohen, if it

10:59:14 goes down have a sweat night and charge $25 to get in and

10:59:17 build anything you want.

10:59:19 All right.

10:59:20 Continue with your progress on, I believe, parking was

10:59:23 brought up?

10:59:24 >>SONYA LITTLE: We can go straight to parking.

10:59:27 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Mr. Suarez brought that up.

10:59:28 >>SONYA LITTLE: Right.

10:59:33 Again, at the risk of beating a dead horse, changes in

10:59:39 technology are really helping us get to where we really need

10:59:43 to be as far as overall operations in our parking system.

10:59:47 You have seen evidence of some of that already.

10:59:51 We are very much aware of and track our parking division

10:59:55 does track very closely utilization of all of our parking

10:59:58 assets to the garages, all of the meters, times, rates, and

11:00:03 even compare our rates to competing parking structures and

11:00:07 lots and so forth.

11:00:08 Now that the economy is turning around and occupancy is

11:00:12 increasing in the downtown area, the Ybor and Channelside in

11:00:16 particular, we are coming to a position where we can further

11:00:22 entertain what our parking rate structure should be.

11:00:25 We are not there yet.

11:00:27 Simply because it's moving, but this is not something that




11:00:34 has not been discussed.

11:00:35 This is not something that has not been considered already.

11:00:40 But before we start doing across-the-board changes to our

11:00:45 current rate structure, some of the interim things that we

11:00:48 are doing as we monitor utilization of the system, and where

11:00:52 we really should be, is improving our marketing, for number

11:00:57 one.

11:00:57 Right now for the last several months, our public relations

11:01:02 team with the parking system has been working on a

11:01:05 full-blown marketing strategy to improve usage, and look at

11:01:14 more user friendly for our customers to come in and use our

11:01:17 parking system and our meters, parking garages and meters,

11:01:23 we are creating a brand that's going to target three primary

11:01:27 different markets, event Parkers, daily Parkers and users,

11:01:33 so there is some method to the madness.

11:01:35 But before we just jump into raising rates we are looking at

11:01:39 everything.

11:01:39 We are not done.

11:01:40 We have been working on parking for a long time and we are

11:01:43 not done.

11:01:43 The city he's some additional considerations that we are

11:01:46 looking at.

11:01:49 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you.

11:01:50 I usually stay quiet for a long time.

11:01:52 But, you know, we created our parking problem.




11:01:57 And I am not talking about you.

11:02:01 Government.

11:02:01 So the only parking garage that was making money.

11:02:06 Government gives away parking revenue for certain things,

11:02:10 sports franchise.

11:02:11 Now we have a problem.

11:02:12 Guess what.

11:02:13 Government created its own problem.

11:02:15 These all I am going to say.

11:02:16 Anything else?

11:02:17 Mr. Suarez.

11:02:18 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you, chair of the one of the things

11:02:21 that was recommended by the committee, some of it was rate.

11:02:26 And obviously you made be a very good presentation that some

11:02:29 of the contractual, we have got to find marketing, even

11:02:33 those places where it's not contractual, there's a lot of

11:02:36 money that have been we provide to employees for using our

11:02:39 parking garages, too.

11:02:40 There's a lot of issues that are borne in that.

11:02:45 One of the recommendations was to expand the area in which

11:02:48 they collect for on-street parking.

11:02:51 And I know that there are certain days that they don't

11:02:54 collect or certain areas they don't collect.

11:02:56 If you have got that particular street that you can park for

11:03:02 free as opposed to one block over you can feel, well, I can




11:03:06 walk a block and that's fine and I am not getting charged.

11:03:09 Their recommendation really turned on the fact that Hixon

11:03:12 Park has become so successful that the parking availability

11:03:17 both in the POE garage and in private garages that are near

11:03:23 the park are so filled that we probably can get some

11:03:27 additional revenue from parking spacings that are along the

11:03:31 streets, and especially now since we do have the

11:03:34 technological capability of being able to go on smart mode

11:03:38 and for people to pay, I think that is a great

11:03:42 recommendation on their part.

11:03:43 Now again, I think that boundary discussion has to be done

11:03:48 by the parking department, and see what is the additional

11:03:53 amount that we are going to gain versus the number of folks

11:03:57 we may lose because of that change.

11:04:00 I don't think they'll have an answer to that, to be honest

11:04:03 with you.

11:04:04 But I do think we need to look at that portion of it.

11:04:07 The other part of it in terms of our parking rate, that's a

11:04:11 whole other kettle of fish that we are going to have to

11:04:13 really think about, because, you know, we are so bogged down

11:04:19 by contractual obligation.

11:04:21 There is almost no way for us to make money in the current

11:04:24 environment.

11:04:25 Maybe in a couple of years we will be able to make some

11:04:27 dollars.




11:04:28 But right now, we are still staying afloat.

11:04:31 We are paying less money towards parking this year than we

11:04:34 have in the past.

11:04:35 But it's still money that we are putting into that fund that

11:04:37 we shouldn't have been putting into to begin with.

11:04:40 I think Mr. Chairman Miranda put it very succinctly when he

11:04:43 said it's not a problem we created ourselves individually or

11:04:49 as this council, Bub it is something we inherited and we

11:04:53 need to try to solve.

11:04:54 But that recommendation is something that I think we can

11:04:57 actually put into place and implement fairly quickly once

11:05:01 parking division finds out what that cost, that net amount

11:05:05 we will be getting out of that will be.

11:05:07 So I would suggest that we strongly suggest that we

11:05:10 definitely look at that so that we can move forward and

11:05:12 maybe get a couple extra bucks from our parking, off-street

11:05:17 parking.

11:05:18 Thank you.

11:05:19 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Any comments from council on parking?

11:05:21 All right.

11:05:21 Anything else?

11:05:24 (.

11:05:26 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I just want to agree with Mr. Suarez.

11:05:29 I know, miracles do happen.

11:05:32 But the parking rate thing, one of the things that we talked




11:05:38 about last year, and I think probably the year before that,

11:05:41 are the parking rates.

11:05:42 And much like the way we have this discussion -- and we have

11:05:48 all heard this discussion when we sit on MPO from Joe Wagner

11:05:52 as the transit authority -- is that you can adjust your rate

11:05:59 electronically since we do have electronic parking devices

11:06:02 now to match the consumer demand, so that when there's high

11:06:08 demand you can charge higher rates.

11:06:10 When there's low demand you can charge lower rates.

11:06:12 So thereby have a sliding scale of rates.

11:06:22 And the other thing for me, I want to encourage use of the

11:06:26 bike share program.

11:06:27 I want to encourage people walking, and I want to encourage

11:06:30 people using mass transit to get places.

11:06:32 And if you provide abundant free parking or nearly free

11:06:37 parking, purchase incentivizing people to drive down here,

11:06:41 not the other way around.

11:06:42 So if people can't find parking -- and I think I said this

11:06:45 last time we discussed it at the first public hearing -- you

11:06:48 know, you want to be able to raise those rates to encourage

11:06:55 people to carpool, or find another means of getting down

11:06:58 here.

11:06:59 So many of our garages, we charge way too little money.

11:07:03 They are not competitive rates.

11:07:05 And having this recommendation at least two years in a row,




11:07:10 I think three years in a row, it almost seems like we ask so

11:07:15 much of the citizens advisory committee.

11:07:18 Speak spend so much time working on these recommendations,

11:07:21 and then two, three years in a row, we pretty much ignore

11:07:24 them.

11:07:25 So --

11:07:27 >>SONYA LITTLE: If I can say, we don't.

11:07:29 We don't ignore.

11:07:30 >> But we haven't acted.

11:07:32 >>SONYA LITTLE: This information is being acted upon,

11:07:36 specifically parking, and the information that the citizens

11:07:39 advisory committee comes up with is based on information

11:07:42 that we share.

11:07:44 And we have been sharing the challenges that we have in

11:07:46 parking, and we share some of the information of what we are

11:07:49 trying to accomplish.

11:07:51 So it may not happen as quickly as any of us would like to

11:07:55 see.

11:07:55 There's a fine line in parking.

11:07:57 And I'm no parking expert, by the way.

11:07:59 But there's a fine line in what you charge to accommodate

11:08:03 people coming here to use our parking, and them deciding to

11:08:10 not just come at all.

11:08:11 So all being considered, we have not turned a blind eye to

11:08:16 this.




11:08:17 This is a work in process and it's not easy.

11:08:20 We have all said it.

11:08:21 It is not easy because of all the restrictions that we have,

11:08:24 all of the agreements that we have, and to segment pieces is

11:08:29 not for the good of the system.

11:08:31 We need to evaluate the entire system.

11:08:35 And what we are trying to do is come um with a complete and

11:08:37 comprehensive plan to be the least painful for all of our

11:08:42 citizens, all of our business owners, and the city in

11:08:47 general.

11:08:48 So it's not falling on deaf ears.

11:08:50 This is something we talk about frequently.

11:08:52 This is something that we reach out to our vested partners

11:08:56 and have discussions about frequently.

11:08:58 So, no, this is not falling on deaf ears.

11:09:01 This is something we are working on.

11:09:03 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.

11:09:04 I really appreciate it.

11:09:05 Anything else to come?

11:09:10 >>FRANK REDDICK: My recommendation remains the same,

11:09:12 $25,000.

11:09:15 Are? Or we can charge each council member $4132.

11:09:21 To get to $25,000.

11:09:23 >> I don't have it.

11:09:28 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Neither do I but I thought I would




11:09:29 mention it in case you want to do it.

11:09:31 Anything else?

11:09:31 Before you go any further, I don't want to forget this.

11:09:36 Yolie Capin sent a memo in, and I need to receive and file,

11:09:40 says due to my husband's recent passing I will be absent

11:09:43 from today's meeting.

11:09:44 I have a motion by Mr. Reddick.

11:09:46 Seconded by Mr. Cohen.

11:09:51 All in favor of the motion?

11:09:52 Opposed?

11:09:53 The ayes have it unanimously.

11:09:54 I'm sorry.

11:09:55 Go on, ma'am.

11:09:56 >>SONYA LITTLE: Another recommendation that has not fallen

11:09:59 on deaf ears is the committee's recommendation to amend the

11:10:03 charter, the city charter related to the investment policy.

11:10:07 I think you have that one, also.

11:10:12 We have had this discussion as well.

11:10:14 Our policy obviously is not as liberal as Dade County's

11:10:17 policy.

11:10:18 However, we have weathered the storm.

11:10:22 Fortunately, when the market was thriving, the city

11:10:26 purchased several large investments, treasury securities, at

11:10:30 higher-than-current market rates today.

11:10:33 Fortunately, many of them have remained over on the books




11:10:39 during the course of the economic downturn for keeping us,

11:10:43 you know, better than we probably would have been if we had

11:10:46 had securities that had taken a larger hit.

11:10:49 So for the most part, though conservative, could we do

11:10:53 better? Possibly.

11:10:54 Or we could have also done worse during this economic

11:10:57 downturn.

11:11:01 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Any other comments?

11:11:02 Thank you very much.

11:11:03 Any other things to come before this special meeting?

11:11:09 We need to receive and file all the documents.

11:11:13 Motion by Mrs. Montelione, second by Mr. Cohen.

11:11:15 All in favor? Opposed?

11:11:18 Anything else?

11:11:19 We stand adjourned till 5:01. That's today. Not 5:01

11:11:24 tomorrow. Please show up at 5:01.

11:11:28 Thank you very much.

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