Tampa City Council
Thursday, May 8, 2014
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05:03:32 [Sounding gavel]
05:04:07 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: City Council is called to order.
05:04:08 Roll call.
05:04:08 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Here.
05:04:14 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Present.
05:04:14 >>FRANK REDDICK: Here.
05:04:16 >>HARRY COHEN: Here.
05:04:19 >>CHAIRMAN Miranda: Here.
05:04:28 All right.
05:04:29 Item number 1 is a public hearing, nonquasi-judicial
05:04:36 Let me open this public hearing.
05:04:41 Motion by Mr. Reddick, second by Mrs. Capin.
05:04:44 The ayes have it unanimously.
05:04:45 Yes, sir.
05:04:47 >>THOM SNELLING: I want to go ahead and bring up the Power
05:04:57 There we go.
05:04:59 We are here tonight for the first public hearing of the
05:05:02 one-year action plan.
05:05:14 What we have here, this is the fiscal year 2015 which starts
05:05:18 in October, and this public hearing and the action plan
05:05:22 includes four basic funding sources, a community block grant
05:05:27 which is the most versatile of the moneys that we get from
05:05:30 the federal government.
05:05:32 It's to be used for public service agencies, various not for
05:05:36 profit programs and services, economic development, possible
05:05:42 infrastructure, but it all has to be used either within --
05:05:49 51% of the low moderate income or the beneficiaries have to
05:05:54 be individuals.
05:05:57 If I could take a quick second.
05:05:59 You don't often get to see some of the people that really do
05:06:01 all the work and I'm just the pretty face in front.
05:06:06 [ Laughter ]
05:06:06 Yeah, we are in trouble if I am, right?
05:06:10 This is my new manager which I am thrilled to have.
05:06:14 The other lady, cam Henderson, and Michelle one of my urban
05:06:23 And these are the folks that really make this stuff happen.
05:06:30 >> Jennifer, move two seats to your left so when they show
05:06:37 the crowd you can see yourself on TV.
05:06:39 >> There you go.
05:06:40 >> Again, the emergency solutions -- there you go.
05:06:44 The emergency solutions grants is really focusing this year
05:06:47 and into the future based on what is recommended open rapid
05:06:53 rehouse and having a stronger homelessness feature.
05:06:56 I saw some of the discussion from your CRA meeting.
05:07:00 And again I will be back sometime in the very near future to
05:07:03 talk about what's been going on with the Hillsborough
05:07:06 initiative as well as the facility for the sheriff's office.
05:07:08 Just a quick side bar.
05:07:10 Home investors, partnership with the home, and that you must
05:07:13 produce dwelling units.
05:07:18 When you use that money the end result has to be a place
05:07:21 where someone can live.
05:07:22 And the housing opportunities for persons with aids, the
05:07:25 name is what it says.
05:07:26 It's for individuals HIV positive and their family.
05:07:30 Again we are the administrators for the four county area
05:07:35 because unfortunately we have the highest incidents of aids
05:07:39 in the four county district.
05:07:44 The allocations this year, CDBG, is down about 153,000.
05:07:52 As you can see that's a 6% drop.
05:07:55 Homeless bumped up a little bit which is nice.
05:08:00 ESG which is reflective of what HUD is trying to do for
05:08:03 rapid rehousing homeless initiative has also gone up.
05:08:09 We dropped one percent.
05:08:11 Last year if you recall we were down about 17, 18% dropped.
05:08:16 So we are slowing the bleeding down, and hopefully next year
05:08:19 when I come back I will be able to show you a positive
05:08:21 number on the bottom versus a negative one.
05:08:25 The one-year action plan, that whole process, I will go over
05:08:30 that on the calendar in a second.
05:08:32 But this public hearing really is kind of a kickoff for
05:08:35 And you may ask yourselves, why don't I have a draft of a
05:08:39 plan in front of me?
05:08:40 The reason is because a larger portion of that plan, the
05:08:43 bulk of that plan, consists of all of the RFP applications
05:08:49 for the dozens of agencies that are looking to take
05:08:51 advantage of one of those funding sources.
05:08:53 That makes up a big part of the plan.
05:08:55 Plus there's other community input that we have to get, and
05:08:58 I'll talk about that in a second.
05:09:00 So this is really the beginning of a two and a half, three
05:09:03 month process of additional public input and public hearing.
05:09:07 The five-year consolidated plan, you adopted that
05:09:10 approximately a little over two years ago.
05:09:12 We are into the third year with our third action plan.
05:09:15 And we are again, this action plan will reflect a direct
05:09:19 implementation out of that five-year plan with that
05:09:24 And what I'll talk about now is the RFP process a little
05:09:29 Here is the calendar.
05:09:32 We released the request for applications back in March.
05:09:37 We conducted a couple of workshops again in March where we
05:09:40 had everybody came to those workshops, so we could take
05:09:44 advantage of how to fill out their applications, how to fill
05:09:47 out their proposals accurately to take the best advantage of
05:09:50 what they are trying to accomplish.
05:09:51 The deadlines are April 30th.
05:09:53 Those documents all just came in.
05:09:56 Again the first public hearing is tonight.
05:09:59 The review of the recommendation is beginning the first part
05:10:02 of next week, and will go all through next week.
05:10:07 That's when we'll meet with the reviewers, walk through the
05:10:11 criteria, what the scoring means, how to score, to make sure
05:10:14 it's as transparent as possible.
05:10:16 The agencies that are allowed to attend those meetings
05:10:18 because they are open to the public, they can attend those
05:10:20 meetings, but they are not allowed to actively engage with
05:10:24 questions and answers because at that point that could be
05:10:27 construed that they are getting an undue advantage if
05:10:30 another agency -- they are not going to come and watch and
05:10:34 just -- listen and watch but not really engage reviewers or
05:10:40 Then also continuing with the calendar, what we are going to
05:10:43 do this year, which is kind of a roll-out of last year, we
05:10:49 will be going into each of the four council districts, four,
05:10:53 five, six and seven, having a community meeting actually in
05:10:56 each council district to solicit I had additional input.
05:11:02 And I'm going to give you a copy of a couple of documents.
05:11:50 With this is the surveying that we will be using at the
05:11:53 communities meetings that we have, and this is a handout
05:11:55 that we will also have at the community meetings.
05:11:57 You can take a look at that this evening when you have
05:12:01 trouble sleeping, it will help you relax.
05:12:05 And we are also preparing a Power Point that we will present
05:12:08 at each of those four meetings to make sure that the same
05:12:11 information we are doing in one be public community meeting
05:12:13 is the same information that we are doing at the next.
05:12:16 Again, to stay as transparent as possible, and to go forward
05:12:21 that way.
05:12:23 And then the draft action plan and our second public hearing
05:12:30 will be June 26th.
05:12:32 And then hopefully, based on the input we get from the
05:12:35 community meeting, the input we get through the RFP process
05:12:38 and the input we get over the next two months from a wide
05:12:44 variety of sources, we will craft a draft document which you
05:12:47 will have to look at then.
05:12:49 And then based on the additional input that comes out of
05:12:52 that public hearing, we will prepare a final document for
05:12:57 your review and approval on July 24th.
05:13:00 The hope is that we get you that final document that we are
05:13:03 proposing as the final approval at least two weeks prior to
05:13:06 that so you have the time to see the actual document, see
05:13:09 where all the input came from, see what kind of things took
05:13:13 What happens as part of the requirement is any input over
05:13:16 the course of this next two and a half, three months, that
05:13:18 information has to become part of the actual document
05:13:21 So all of that discussion, you will be able to see the draft
05:13:25 Again we hope to get you that just after the Fourth of July
05:13:28 on the holiday week
05:13:31 And then the final plan has to be up to HUD on the 15th.
05:13:36 We have given ourselves a little wiggle room before three
05:13:40 weeks in case there's a glitch or hitch or something happens
05:13:43 We don't have to come up and say you have to approve it now,
05:13:46 too bad, you have to approve it, you have no choice.
05:13:49 I know how much council likes that.
05:13:52 That was a joke.
05:13:54 [ Laughter ]
05:13:55 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Didn't go over too well.
05:13:59 >>THOM SNELLING: I need to keep my day job.
05:14:02 And then the fiscal year begins October 1st.
05:14:07 I ran through that fairly quickly.
05:14:09 But --
05:14:12 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Questions by council?
05:14:16 >>THOM SNELLING: And the other two staff are here to answer
05:14:18 questions if I cannot.
05:14:19 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Tom, quick question.
05:14:21 You say you are going to have some community meetings in
05:14:23 each district over May and June.
05:14:26 Do you already know where they are going to be at?
05:14:29 >>THOM SNELLING: No.
05:14:29 I think we are going to have one --
05:14:34 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Let me ask the second question then.
05:14:37 How do you determine, is it primarily based on our own
05:14:39 property, meaning a park or some places first, or do you
05:14:45 look at demographically where the most number are so you can
05:14:48 get the best kind of input?
05:14:50 >> We will do both.
05:14:52 We will find what city facilities we have in each of the
05:14:55 districts that are hopefully first of tall most centrally
05:14:58 Or facilities that are used in the case of cypress green.
05:15:02 That's what East Tampa is hoping one of our meetings, and
05:15:06 also happens to be centrally located in each area in that
05:15:11 So that's where we are going to have that one there.
05:15:13 The other three have not yet been determined.
05:15:16 But you are right.
05:15:16 We are going to look for geographic location, and even maybe
05:15:20 just density to see the population pockets.
05:15:24 If there's a strong lot of commercial property, we aren't
05:15:26 going to hold for the center of that where all the residents
05:15:29 have to travel.
05:15:30 We'll try to hold them closer to actual residential areas
05:15:33 versus industrial commercial areas.
05:15:35 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I know usually on these things are at one of
05:15:39 the parks typically, and I just want to know if that's the
05:15:42 best use of our directive to try to get as much public input
05:15:47 as possible, because obviously we want to make sure that
05:15:49 everyone has some input to this important process.
05:15:54 >>THOM SNELLING: We are going to try to do some social media
05:15:57 stuff as well.
05:15:57 I'm not overly familiar with that but I do have fortunately
05:16:00 some people on my staff that are really good at it.
05:16:03 So we are going to have the old-fashioned old school public
05:16:06 meetings that I'm good at.
05:16:08 Social media stuff that I am not so good at.
05:16:13 [ Laughter ]
05:16:14 >> We were laughing anyway.
05:16:15 >> Social media stuff, like I said, I have people that are
05:16:20 very good at that.
05:16:21 I'll talk to ally and her abilities, and whether we do news
05:16:26 press releases or put something on CTTV.
05:16:29 We are going to take advantage of everything we had just as
05:16:31 we did with the first five-year plan.
05:16:34 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you, Thom.
05:16:36 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Thank you, sir.
05:16:38 First, thank you, Thom and to the staff that put up with all
05:16:46 my questions yesterday.
05:16:48 But when you gave me the documents yesterday, I had a chance
05:16:53 to look them over, and a question -- the 2014-15 annual
05:17:02 action plan documents participation survey.
05:17:13 >>THOM SNELLING: You have to come up here.
05:17:14 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: State your name for the record.
05:17:15 >> Vanessa McCleary, the housing manager, housing and
05:17:19 community development.
05:17:20 Yesterday I gave you a draft which showed you what it looked
05:17:23 like when we go to the consolidated plan.
05:17:25 That helped to put together the consolidated plan.
05:17:27 The survey that we just handed you -- and this is one
05:17:31 page -- those are the actual --
05:17:34 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I don't have one of those.
05:17:36 >> This is the one from yesterday.
05:17:41 >> Here.
05:17:45 >> Thank you.
05:17:46 >> Because we do want to the be clear to everyone that once
05:17:49 you set your consolidated plan, over the next five years,
05:17:52 these are the programs and the things that you are going to
05:17:55 implement because this is the need that is determined to be
05:17:57 in your community.
05:17:57 >> Okay, good.
05:18:00 I'm glad you clarified that.
05:18:01 Because I'm looking at the one you gave me yesterday and I
05:18:04 thought, wow, that's a lot of questions.
05:18:07 That's a one-year action plan.
05:18:08 >> Grabbed it off the printer.
05:18:13 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I appreciate.
05:18:14 That that was the only question I had.
05:18:16 Now I will take look at this one.
05:18:18 If I have any comments or questions --
05:18:20 >> And the items that you see on that survey come directly
05:18:22 out of the consolidated plan.
05:18:24 There were three main goals and objectives.
05:18:27 Decent housing, suitable living environment, and economic --
05:18:31 creating economic opportunities.
05:18:32 So those are exactly -- and that's what people will be
05:18:36 rating because we don't wants to give the misperception that
05:18:39 you could go completely awry from what's in your
05:18:42 consolidated plan.
05:18:46 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Thank you very much to everyone.
05:18:48 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Any other council members?
05:18:50 All right.
05:18:50 This is a public hearing.
05:18:51 Anyone in the public care to speak on the statements that
05:18:55 were made here by Mr. Snelling?
05:18:59 In the presentation?
05:19:00 Not on the comments of personal review.
05:19:07 Anyone else?
05:19:10 You stated when the next public hearing is.
05:19:16 >>THOM SNELLING: The next public hearing is June 26th.
05:19:20 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: At what time?
05:19:21 >>THOM SNELLING: I don't know if that's been determined.
05:19:24 5:01 again?
05:19:26 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I now it's an evening session.
05:19:28 I don't know if it's 5:01 but it is an evening session.
05:19:34 >>THOM SNELLING: It will be set in next week's agenda.
05:19:36 I'm sorry.
05:19:36 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Any other council members?
05:19:37 If this is it, we stand in recess till 5:30.
05:19:50 >> (Recess)
05:32:46 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Here.
05:32:47 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Here.
05:32:49 >>HARRY COHEN: Here.
05:32:52 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Here.
05:32:54 Item number 2 is advisory committee on economic impact.
05:33:09 Cultural assets.
05:33:10 Ms. Capin?
05:33:12 >>YVONNE CAPIN: We have the chair, Mr. Ron Christaldi and
05:33:21 Dave Scott tore bring the report to us.
05:33:23 Thank you for being here.
05:33:24 >> Thank you for having us.
05:33:27 Good evening.
05:33:28 Thank you, Mr. Chairman and council, for allowing us this
05:33:31 opportunity to advise council on the progress of our
05:33:36 As Councilman Capin mentioned, my name is Ron Christaldi
05:33:41 with Shoemaker and Kendrick.
05:33:44 I'm joined here with major general David Scott who is my
05:33:47 vice chair.
05:33:48 We are here today on behalf of the citizens advisory
05:33:50 committee on economic impact of cultural assets.
05:33:54 As you will recall, council created the cultural advisory
05:33:59 committee by resolution 2011-9-10 on October 20th, 2011,
05:34:07 and I was appointed chair of the committee by selection of
05:34:12 the committee, and I was appointed to serve on the committee
05:34:14 by Councilman Suarez.
05:34:16 Councilman Suarez, I appreciate that opportunity.
05:34:21 Let's just start today with a refresher on the mission of
05:34:24 our committee.
05:34:27 And the mission of our committee is to review, study and
05:34:32 make recommendations to council to assist the City Council's
05:34:36 determination of municipal needs and planning with respect
05:34:39 to how it may facilitate and support our unique cultural
05:34:43 assets that attract and provide the environment conducive to
05:34:47 economic growth, thereby enhancing economic growth within
05:34:51 the community.
05:34:54 And as a reminder to council, cultural asset is fairly
05:34:59 broadly defined as T this committee as taking its charge,
05:35:04 and the purpose and function of the committee is driven by
05:35:08 the definition of cultural assets.
05:35:13 And the cultural assets, as we have defined it based on City
05:35:17 Council's directive, is very broad.
05:35:20 It includes not only things like our museums and our
05:35:23 cultural venues but it includes parks, it includes our
05:35:27 restaurants, and other entertainment establishments.
05:35:31 It's what makes the fabric of Tampa.
05:35:42 In review of the committee's accomplishments over the past
05:35:44 two years, I start with a bit of a lighthearted
05:35:50 Our recommendation, our first recommendation to this
05:35:52 council, which was adopted by resolution to designation the
05:35:56 historic Tampa be Cuban sandwich.
05:35:59 I understand that our friends down in Miami took some issue
05:36:01 with that but we were wrong and we are right.
05:36:05 We did invent the Cuban sandwich.
05:36:07 And my waistline has suffered a little bit in proving that
05:36:10 over the past few years.
05:36:18 On a more serious note, we, through council, showed support
05:36:23 for international studies of foreign language in the school
05:36:27 district of Hillsborough County to further our cultural
05:36:29 development and reputation in the community.
05:36:32 We held two summits, one with a cultural stakeholder summit
05:36:38 in October of 2012.
05:36:39 I know some City Council members would attend that.
05:36:45 It was very widely attended and further served to given
05:36:50 engagement like folks of the great Chamber of Commerce which
05:36:52 are partners with the city in promoting our cultural assets.
05:36:55 And we also held an asset marketing partners quarterly
05:36:59 The last one being held in September of 2013.
05:37:04 We are more than a quarter beyond.
05:37:07 That a review at our next quarterly meeting but the
05:37:10 September meeting was a very resounding success.
05:37:13 And we also made some recommendations to council on creating
05:37:17 workshops, in creating workshops on special events
05:37:23 We wholeheartedly thank council for consideration of all of
05:37:29 the issues that have come before us.
05:37:31 We are looking forward to continuing that work.
05:37:34 Before I talk about the report and a new set of
05:37:38 recommendations, I would like to recommend, two of our
05:37:42 committee members, I believe, are rotating off our
05:37:45 First is Councilman Reddick's appointee, Shaun Robinson, who
05:37:49 is the president of Hillsborough communities college, Ybor
05:37:52 City campus.
05:37:53 And the second is Councilman Miranda's appointee, Gina
05:37:58 Grimes, a partner at the Hill, Ward, Henderson law firm.
05:38:01 Both Mr. Robinson and Ms. Grimes have served with
05:38:04 distinction and it's been a pressure to work with them.
05:38:06 They worked tirelessly, both of them, in putting in many
05:38:11 hours of resources toward the work of the committee.
05:38:13 It's been a real pleasure working with them, and Major
05:38:17 General Scott and I are here today to recognize their
05:38:22 efforts and thank them.
05:38:27 The first substantive item we would like to talk with you
05:38:30 all about relates to really the core of the business of the
05:38:35 And we see as a further continuation of the purpose of the
05:38:39 committee and the growth of the activity of the committee.
05:38:43 And there's been sort of general agreement, consensus in the
05:38:47 community and amongst the committee regarding the importance
05:38:49 of cultural assets of Tampa's economy and image, but what
05:38:53 the committee has felt and lived over the past two years is
05:38:56 that there's no official or unofficial person or
05:38:59 organization responsible for planning, developing content,
05:39:03 coordinating, moving forward with liberty actions to
05:39:07 increase the benefit of the cultural assets.
05:39:09 It's really a diffuse set of interests out there that are
05:39:14 represented in their individual constituencies, but there's
05:39:17 nothing that pulls this all together in a single active
05:39:23 voice and single active organization.
05:39:25 We would like the council to consider amending our
05:39:29 resolution to allow the cultural assets committee to be the
05:39:33 formation or spin-off such a body.
05:39:37 We request City Council consider authorizing this committee
05:39:41 to work with other organizations, not just the city but also
05:39:45 the county, to develop proposes similar to what was done in
05:39:51 the office of promotion and the arts.
05:39:53 There's an acute need, we believe, and it's worthy of
05:39:57 further pursuit in your packet.
05:40:01 There's an excellent article titled Florida's Cultural, and
05:40:11 Judy Lisi did a fantastic job in capturing, embodying that
05:40:16 We have got a tremendous group, cultural assets and cultural
05:40:23 interests here, and again they are very diverse, but there
05:40:26 is no single body to help with these issues.
05:40:32 Importantly -- and this is something that has been to me and
05:40:38 some of my activities for some time, but the economic impact
05:40:41 of arts and cultural impacts in the community.
05:40:46 There's a quote here looking at the data are from the
05:40:48 various studies sponsored by the Americans for the arts, the
05:40:52 quote, it's fair to say that the arts and cultural industry
05:40:56 in the Tampa Bay region packs and enormous punch.
05:40:58 More than 640 million annually from the not-for-profit side
05:41:02 alone and can conservative estimates of 35,000 jobs in the
05:41:08 combined economy of Hillsborough County and Sarasota County.
05:41:11 We believe in the work that we have done over the past two
05:41:14 years that we are scratching the surface with that, but that
05:41:17 can be much better leverage.
05:41:19 We saw that with some recent conventions and activities that
05:41:25 came to our city in Tampa, and we showed very well.
05:41:28 The economic impact on events were tremendous, but the reach
05:41:34 that that has in introducing this community to new
05:41:37 individuals, a tremendous economic impact, and the
05:41:43 committee, in our diligence, the work that we have done and
05:41:47 the information gathering that we have done, really has
05:41:51 begun to feel diffuse and there's not a unitary body and
05:41:55 unitary cause.
05:41:55 Some of us happened to be, as part of our committee work,
05:42:00 but otherwise having visited Baltimore and having an
05:42:04 opportunity to meet with some of the folks there and see the
05:42:06 model that they have there which does have a unified voice,
05:42:09 and we believe that it would be wise for the council to give
05:42:12 consideration to increasing the charge of this group to be a
05:42:16 little more interdisciplinary and to have a little bit more
05:42:19 of an ability to be work substantively with folks other than
05:42:23 the city as well.
05:42:24 And Councilman Capin, you have been a very integral part of
05:42:28 those discussions and deliberations.
05:42:29 I'm not sure if you want to add to that.
05:42:39 >>YVONNE CAPIN: What we studied on the cultural assets
05:42:42 committee is the exactly that, that there is an acute need
05:42:45 for a director or direction for the cultural assets.
05:42:54 And because of that, one of the things that I did study when
05:42:58 I was in Baltimore, I met with the Executive Director of
05:43:02 BOPA, the Baltimore Office of Promotion and the Arts, and
05:43:06 it's a great example of public-private partnership, and
05:43:11 that's how when we and the committee, as Mr. Christaldi
05:43:17 said, was looking at doing -- looking at more than just the
05:43:21 city, looking at the county and working with the county in
05:43:24 order to be able to bring this to resolution, so we
05:43:38 recommended that so we would be authorized to work as a
05:43:40 committee with other organizations including the county on a
05:43:43 April proposal, which is a public-private proposal like
05:43:48 BOPA, and that would be one of the actions I would be asking
05:43:55 for, and then once we amend it, bring it to council for
05:44:05 You know, amend it with our attorney, our City Council
05:44:09 And -- yes?
05:44:14 >>HARRY COHEN: I think it's a great idea.
05:44:16 I'm totally in support of it.
05:44:18 And I just wanted to add for what it's worth -- and Mr.
05:44:21 Christaldi knows this because I believe he was on the trip
05:44:28 as well.
05:44:29 Nashville has branded itself as music city USA.
05:44:32 And what they explained to us there about how they have been
05:44:34 able to make it work is that they got everybody to buy into
05:44:38 It wasn't a situation where there was some sort of top-down
05:44:43 They literally got everyone in the community to brand
05:44:47 themselves this way.
05:44:48 And when they built their convention center, they built to
05:44:51 the look like a guitar.
05:44:52 It actually looks like a guitar from the sky, and it's a
05:44:58 musical theme throughout.
05:45:00 And their street signs and their street corners and
05:45:02 everything is geared toward this branding effort.
05:45:07 And the only way you can get that done is by getting
05:45:09 everybody involved.
05:45:11 It can't just be from the city.
05:45:12 It's got to be everybody.
05:45:13 >> And we appreciate that.
05:45:18 Our committee operates in the sunshine.
05:45:20 And so we have the same benefits and challenges of.
05:45:26 That that council would have.
05:45:27 And we also have no budget or no funding.
05:45:30 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Would you raise the mike, please.
05:45:31 >> Yes, sir, I'm sorry, Mr. Chairman.
05:45:33 My latter point was we appreciate we have nab budget or
05:45:36 funding, and so we see this change as being more of a
05:45:39 catalyst, more of a connector.
05:45:43 It's at least at this stage would be able to implement all
05:45:46 of these things.
05:45:47 But we do feel like there needs to somebody catalyst to
05:45:52 reach out, and as Councilman Cohen has very aptly put, pull
05:45:57 it together like so many initiatives in Nashville that have
05:46:01 branded the entire region and again increased toward
05:46:04 increased business and also some business incubators that we
05:46:09 are attracting, based again on this branding and pulling
05:46:12 together unifying under a single catalyst.
05:46:15 >> So may I?
05:46:20 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Let me say this.
05:46:21 I am looking at this sheet, Mr. Christaldi, these items
05:46:24 here, and I don't know how to relate to what we have now.
05:46:27 I am going down the list, the mayor's advisory committee of
05:46:30 the arts.
05:46:31 And we have something similar to that here now?
05:46:33 >> I'm sorry, sir, your question is do we have something
05:46:36 that's an advisory committee to the arts?
05:46:39 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Yes.
05:46:39 Looking at Baltimore, and giving me a script here of what
05:46:42 they have, not just going down the list.
05:46:45 You have the tourism and visitors convention just like they
05:46:51 >>YVONNE CAPIN: If I may, this was the whole piece.
05:46:54 We just printed the whole thing up.
05:46:56 But basically it is not to follow exactly what is in here,
05:47:01 children's activities, and because we have a film
05:47:04 commission, and we have a sports commission.
05:47:06 But more about bringing the county and the city together in
05:47:13 a public-private partnership in order to promote the
05:47:15 cultural aspects that we already have in the city.
05:47:18 So it's not -- it's more the business --
05:47:35 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I understand that.
05:47:37 >>YVONNE CAPIN: -- in each -- now, see, BOPA in Baltimore
05:47:41 does everything.
05:47:42 They do parades.
05:47:43 They do it all.
05:47:44 It's a $30 million a year.
05:47:50 But what attracted our attention was how they leveraged the
05:47:55 money from the government with private money in order to
05:48:02 promote the cultural events that they had.
05:48:06 And I will tell you, we met with county commissioner Mark
05:48:18 Sharpe and with county commissioner -- I met with county
05:48:22 commissioner Ken Hagan, and just to run it by, and it was
05:48:26 something that they feel is needed so we thought we would
05:48:32 move forward with it.
05:48:33 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I just received this now.
05:48:34 I'm trying to digest.
05:48:36 We have heard a lot of private partnership with government,
05:48:40 and I don't know how we match up.
05:48:42 I don't know how many events they have.
05:48:44 I'm just trying in my mind, matching ourselves with
05:48:48 Baltimore, what do they have that we don't have other than a
05:48:52 real nice waterfront with water taxis and paddle boats and
05:48:56 big boats and cruise ships and things of that nature, not
05:49:00 that we don't have ships, but cruise ships that go around
05:49:05 the unlet's.
05:49:06 That's what I get.
05:49:07 I go to Baltimore once a year for a week for the last three
05:49:11 I'm not an expert in Baltimore.
05:49:13 I'm an expert at Johns Hopkins hospital.
05:49:16 But --
05:49:18 >> To answer your question, Mr. Chairman, what I would
05:49:21 respond to that is to answer the latter question, Baltimore
05:49:25 has nothing on us.
05:49:27 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Right.
05:49:28 >> But to answer more deeply, I don't think -- we are not
05:49:35 suggesting today that we adopt the entire BOPA structure.
05:49:41 We were just talking by way of analogy of having a unity
05:49:46 that would interface with not only in the city but outside
05:49:49 the city and really an extension of the summit and the
05:49:52 quarterly meeting we had.
05:49:53 When we had the summit, we brought together the visitors
05:49:56 bureau, the chamber, the economic development council and
05:49:58 variety of other organizations to begin that dialogue, but
05:50:02 we felt as if other than fact gathering as part of that
05:50:07 process, we didn't have the ability to take it to the next.
05:50:10 >> I understand.
05:50:10 That before I go to Mr. Suarez, I just got to get my mind
05:50:14 that we are not creating another layer with a big staff and
05:50:16 directors and all that.
05:50:19 That I will never support.
05:50:21 And I want to let now that.
05:50:23 Mr. Suarez.
05:50:24 >> Yes, sir.
05:50:25 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you, Mr. Chair.
05:50:26 You know, it's interesting, every time -- and I know that my
05:50:29 colleagues have done this, too, when we go to National
05:50:32 League of Cities events and other things, how different we
05:50:35 are in relation to other cities and how they get things
05:50:40 You know, some cities don't have as strong of a county
05:50:43 structure as we do here in the south.
05:50:45 And so a lot of the things that we do are controlled by the
05:50:52 We allow the county to do certain things.
05:50:54 They provide certain funding for certain things.
05:50:56 The bed tax obviously is taken up, and it's used in a county
05:51:02 I think the idea behind this is terrific.
05:51:04 I think what Councilman Cohen said, absolutely as a fact.
05:51:10 The branding is so important for the next step, whenever we
05:51:13 are doing any cultural asset, that we need to figure out
05:51:16 what that is.
05:51:17 I know that Santiago Corrada and his group just branded a
05:51:22 new logo, a new vision, which is, you know, the visit Tampa
05:51:28 Bay name, and the unlocking different things.
05:51:32 It's a great sales job, but it's not a branding of the city
05:51:36 And, you know, I can see where we are going with this.
05:51:40 When you talk to the county commissioners, did they have any
05:51:46 say in terms of, well, you know, we could kind of put our
05:51:49 film commission, and the visit Tampa Bay under a big
05:51:54 umbrella, which the city puts some dollars into the county,
05:51:57 and then we come up with a whole branding thing?
05:51:59 Or what was the --
05:52:06 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I met with another committee member with
05:52:10 Mark Sharpe, and he very much was in tune to the cultural
05:52:15 assets and that we absolutely need that branding.
05:52:18 One of the things that was found when they did the study for
05:52:22 visit Tampa Bay, which was disheartening, was that when they
05:52:27 did a survey, the survey showed that people felt that
05:52:33 Orlando had more history than Tampa.
05:52:37 And that's when everyone said, you know, we need to say,
05:52:40 this is who we are, and this is what we want.
05:52:43 So we wanted to work with the county in order to help bring
05:52:46 that about, and that's what we are asking to do.
05:52:51 And I reached out to the county commissioners, and I think
05:52:56 Mr. Beckner was briefed on this by another committee member,
05:53:04 and very much in favor.
05:53:08 But at this point, we need to formalize it, and then work
05:53:13 with them on how we are going to own these assets, how are
05:53:21 we going to package them and market them.
05:53:25 And that's what we are looking at.
05:53:27 And they are very much in tune.
05:53:32 One of the things that happened in Tallahassee recently on
05:53:34 the budget was the cultural Florida.
05:53:41 That's a big deal.
05:53:42 They realize this is a very important component.
05:53:45 And here in this area, we have -- we do have an issue with
05:53:50 our identity.
05:53:52 Absolutely do.
05:53:53 And that's how we came about when we had this summit with
05:53:56 our marketing partners, and also with the market -- the
05:54:07 quarterly meeting.
05:54:08 We had some visit Tampa Bay which was at the time --
05:54:12 whatever that previous name was.
05:54:15 They did a good job.
05:54:17 And we had the EBC, they were there.
05:54:25 The airport was represented.
05:54:26 The Sports Authority was represented.
05:54:28 And this is how this all came about.
05:54:34 We are at the point now where we want to move forward with
05:54:37 this partnership.
05:54:45 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Then the question, I guess, to get the
05:54:48 administration on board with our side as well as our support
05:54:51 from the council, the county commission, in addition,
05:54:53 because those dollars that we are going to have to, you
05:54:55 know, that we put in towards it, they put in towards it, the
05:55:01 bed tax produces I think about 12 million a year, and I
05:55:04 think they only get for visit Tampa Bay about six.
05:55:08 You know, are we going to be able to get some of that bed
05:55:10 tax dollars?
05:55:11 And I think really the first step -- because I am in
05:55:15 agreement in terms of -- the first step is we need to get
05:55:20 the administration on board with this so we can then put it
05:55:23 all together, in addition to what our efforts are.
05:55:26 And I will congratulate you, you know, for a guy that's on
05:55:29 the cultural assets committee, it has kind of a boring ring
05:55:33 to your phone there, but nonetheless -- it isn't that bad of
05:55:38 a ring -- but, you know, it's a real process that we can try
05:55:43 and leverage those dollars out there.
05:55:45 I mean, the amount that Baltimore put in, it looks like
05:55:48 there's about 1.9 million in city coffers averaged out to
05:55:54 about 1 million if I read correctly, and it looks like some
05:55:58 of the backup material you put up here. When I saw the
05:56:01 history of the port I thought you were talking about
05:56:03 Washington, D.C.
05:56:04 Anyway, the idea was, you know, to me that once we do this,
05:56:09 and we go to the administration, and I think that's kind of
05:56:12 the next step, and then go to the county in addition kind of
05:56:15 a two pronged approach and say, this is what we would like
05:56:18 to do.
05:56:19 We think that cultural assets is so important to our economy
05:56:22 that we need to brand our city and our county in a certain
05:56:26 And we need to get all of our partners involved.
05:56:29 Because now we are so district, we are so separated from
05:56:35 each other, some of the other silos, that everybody needs to
05:56:38 be running the same race.
05:56:40 I mean, I assume that your suggestion is from the committee
05:56:45 >> It is.
05:56:48 >> I appreciate that this would be the first step to getting
05:56:50 the city and the county together.
05:56:52 This would the first step to moving in that direction where
05:56:56 we have the city and the county working in sync for the
05:57:03 cultural assets.
05:57:05 And this was the first step because we talked about it and
05:57:10 talked about it, and there's really no director.
05:57:15 For instance, the visit Tampa Bay, actually, they bring in
05:57:18 about 22 million of which they get about 8.5.
05:57:24 A lot of entities.
05:57:29 So we have the film commission is under Visit Tampa Bay.
05:57:35 No, the film division is under the sports -- the sports
05:57:40 commission is under Visit Tampa Bay.
05:57:42 So you have that.
05:57:43 But there's no entity, or there's no coming together on how
05:57:51 all of this fits in and makes Tampa -- are we a sports
05:57:58 center? Are we historical?
05:58:00 Are we all of it?
05:58:02 And how do we promote that?
05:58:03 How do we get out there?
05:58:05 And I believe that the commissioners absolutely understood
05:58:13 And they are actually waiting for a proposal on this
05:58:20 committee how we can -- full, it wouldn't be a -- it would
05:58:24 be a -- it would just be an overview of how this would work,
05:58:37 or how it could work, and of course then there's input from
05:58:41 the city, input from the county, and do we get to this
05:58:45 How do we goat this point?
05:58:46 But the first step we thought was it has to start -- it has
05:58:51 to start, or it's going to stay exactly the same and Orlando
05:58:57 is going to have more history than Tampa, and they don't --
05:59:01 I mean, Tampa in that survey flat lined, and here we have
05:59:06 four Super Bowls, we have Bollywood, we have the RNC, we
05:59:11 have big events.
05:59:12 We have a fabulous baseball history.
05:59:15 And yet, in that survey that cost a few hundred thousand
05:59:22 dollars, Tampa flatlined.
05:59:24 And our county commissioners are very aware of.
05:59:26 That they are very aware of what happens with that study,
05:59:31 and what we need to move.
05:59:32 So this is what we thought to give permission to move
05:59:35 forward, not so much to -- as much to instigate the process.
05:59:49 >> Well, I'm in total support of us being the lead dog on
05:59:54 I just want to make sure that everyone else that's involved
05:59:56 understands that we would like to be involved in it and try
05:59:59 to figure out how to do it.
06:00:02 I think that what will happen, my guess is, that there may
06:00:04 be some people whose feelings may be hurt or may not want to
06:00:09 play ball with us.
06:00:10 But I'm in support of us doing it, and hopefully we will be
06:00:13 able to go forward from there.
06:00:15 So I'll support that.
06:00:18 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: And let me say this.
06:00:19 I still don't know what we are doing.
06:00:21 Talk to our county commissioners, all of us, talked about
06:00:25 administration, but they are not here. So somebody has to
06:00:27 bring them to the table.
06:00:28 So Mrs. Capin, I give you that honor to go see the mayor and
06:00:32 brief the county commissioners and discuss this.
06:00:35 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Okay, so that's what we are asking.
06:00:36 We are asking -- and if you want I will put it in the form
06:00:39 of a motion.
06:00:40 We are asking for us for the City Council to authorize this
06:00:44 committee to move forward in that exact direction.
06:00:47 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I don't think I can authorize or we can
06:00:50 vote to authorize to do what?
06:00:53 They have got to be known.
06:00:54 I don't think the mayor has been appraised of this, has he?
06:00:58 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Yes, he has.
06:00:59 Yes, he had.
06:01:00 He had a lunch with one of the committee members.
06:01:02 But, in fact, there was no moving forward until we know that
06:01:08 this is the direction that City Council wants to move in,
06:01:14 that they feel that along with the cultural assets committee
06:01:20 that there is a need for moving forward on this.
06:01:22 >>HARRY COHEN: Is it your view that you need this council's
06:01:28 permission or imprimatur in order to initiate discussion was
06:01:34 the county commission about this subject?
06:01:35 Is that what you are asking us for?
06:01:38 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Yes.
06:01:39 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: So once we do that, you are going to
06:01:41 appear before the county commission and they are going to
06:01:42 take a vote?
06:01:43 That's what I understand?
06:01:46 >>YVONNE CAPIN: We will eventually do that, but before that,
06:01:49 we would come back to City Council, and if you want we could
06:01:53 do a report back to City Council.
06:01:55 I think that's a good -- I would like to have that done.
06:01:59 Where the progress is and where the discussion is going, and
06:02:04 at that point, it can absolutely come to a vote to the
06:02:10 county commission.
06:02:10 >> Mr. Chairman, if I might.
06:02:14 If I can interrupt.
06:02:15 Two points.
06:02:15 One, to your earlier point.
06:02:17 I think the intent here is not to create -- certainly is not
06:02:21 to create any extra layers of bureaucracy.
06:02:24 It's the opposite.
06:02:25 It's to break down barriers and add to efficiency.
06:02:28 And I think -- and Councilman Capin will correct me if I am
06:02:33 off base here -- authorization to work with the city
06:02:36 attorney to revise our charter, our resolution, to broaden
06:02:42 the scope to work with administration here in the city and
06:02:44 with the county and some other organizations to develop a
06:02:47 plan that will be considered by City Council and approved at
06:02:50 some later point.
06:02:51 So the first step would be to bring back an amendment of our
06:02:54 resolution to council that would authorize us to do that,
06:02:57 because it's currently not in the scope of our charter.
06:03:01 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I understand.
06:03:02 I really appreciate everything you said.
06:03:03 But you know how government works.
06:03:05 We had a mayor.
06:03:06 We had a meeting with one of the members of your board,
06:03:10 whoever it was, makes no difference.
06:03:11 That mayor does not express anything to us.
06:03:14 Maybe he had a private conversation that we are not
06:03:16 privilege I to.
06:03:17 And you are talking about two or three county commissioners
06:03:20 that had a conversation.
06:03:21 But not as a county commission board.
06:03:23 There's a vast difference.
06:03:25 It's like talking to one of us and then saying, oh, they
06:03:29 Well, they may agree until the time comes to vote.
06:03:32 I don't know that.
06:03:33 So I want to do -- I want somebody to the liaison.
06:03:39 The council can vote anyway they like, and that's their
06:03:42 I wish they do.
06:03:44 But I cannot support something that I don't know what the
06:03:47 other two parties that we are talking about are not at the
06:03:50 >> And again, that's an excellent, very valid legitimate
06:03:57 What we are not asking for today is to create an actual
06:04:00 interlocal government body or anything like that.
06:04:03 What we are asking for is how the committee is able to have
06:04:06 those discussions so that we can work with it to present a
06:04:09 plan to the county commission and to the city and to other
06:04:13 And we haven't developed that plan yet.
06:04:15 And again frankly, we believe that it might be outside of
06:04:18 our scope or authority to have any official discussion about
06:04:20 developing a plan to bring it here, and certainly to bring
06:04:23 it here with support from the other constituents, the other
06:04:30 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: But would that be viewed as an
06:04:32 endorsement of something that I know very little about?
06:04:34 I don't know about the other members.
06:04:36 Mrs. Montelione.
06:04:37 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Thank you.
06:04:38 I haven't spoken on this.
06:04:39 I have been following this on TV in the back.
06:04:41 And what would preclude your inviting economic development
06:04:51 division of Hillsborough County to come and participate as a
06:04:58 speaker, as an observer, as someone representing the county,
06:05:04 put on your plans?
06:05:07 I mean, is there anything preventing you as the city chair
06:05:11 to go to the county and even present to the Board of County
06:05:14 Commissioners of an informational session just like we have
06:05:18 people come to present here for information?
06:05:21 >> An excellent question.
06:05:22 Two points to it.
06:05:23 One, the jurisdiction that we understand are charged to be
06:05:26 within the city, so we are making recommendations about
06:05:30 cultural assets within the city limits.
06:05:34 In direct answer to your question, we certainly could, and
06:05:37 we have had people come and inform us, both from within and
06:05:41 outside the city.
06:05:42 I think what we are talking about here is the natural
06:05:44 progression of the committee to do something more than just
06:05:47 gather information and make recommendation to this council,
06:05:50 but rather to present a plan, a regional plan, full, that
06:05:53 may be adopted and to work on something like that.
06:05:56 And again we are very cognizant of the authority that this
06:05:59 group has invested in the community and not overstepping
06:06:02 that authority.
06:06:03 And so having any discussion about things that that might
06:06:06 happen outside the city, with people outside the city,
06:06:09 giving an persons that we are representing the city and have
06:06:12 discussion of any authority to do that we have not done that
06:06:15 to date.
06:06:16 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Monday and I'm sorry for interrupting
06:06:18 but I think that's where you need to go.
06:06:20 I think what you actually do need, fur going to create a
06:06:23 regional plan, which is either under taken by, you know, the
06:06:29 county or undertaken by the Tampa Bay Regional Planning
06:06:33 Council, or it's taken up by another regional body that
06:06:39 exists, that works for the economic development space, even
06:06:44 Mr. Hellman over at the economic development council --
06:06:53 thank you very much.
06:06:54 So that would be something that either they would go out and
06:06:57 hire a consultant to do, or you already have a group.
06:07:02 They would engage, you know, with the city to perform that
06:07:08 I think that at that level, you would be talking about an
06:07:12 interlocal agreement between the county and the city if a
06:07:15 regional plan was going to be formed out of the discussion.
06:07:19 So I would think that somebody, you know, at a higher level
06:07:25 at the county is staffed so the economic development
06:07:28 division -- I know Ron Bartolo is head of it so I don't know
06:07:38 who is running that department, but somebody from our
06:07:40 economic development department get together and decide this
06:07:44 is a recommendation coming from the committee, and that it
06:07:48 is an idea worth pursuing, an interlocal agreement is
06:07:51 formed, and move forward.
06:07:53 And I think what maybe the chairman is having a problem
06:07:55 with, it seems like an end run.
06:07:59 But I'm not really familiar with football.
06:08:06 Talk about hockey and I can tell you.
06:08:08 >> We are an unstaffed group of community volunteers.
06:08:11 This is people in the community who are volunteering.
06:08:13 And what we are offering to do is to try to bring folks
06:08:18 It's not simply the city and the county.
06:08:20 There's a lot of other groups.
06:08:21 You mentioned Mr. Hellman in the EEC, visit Tampa Bay, Sand
06:08:26 Santiago's name was mentioned.
06:08:28 There's other arts and cultural organizations, there's trade
06:08:33 Again, we have done this, and we held a summit, and we held
06:08:36 that quarterly get together where we brought people together
06:08:39 to gather information.
06:08:39 We have already done that.
06:08:40 And we feel like it's a natural progression of the group now
06:08:44 to have some more meaningful discussion with them about how
06:08:48 to work together as a group.
06:08:50 Again, we don't know what that recommendation might be to
06:08:52 council, because we haven't had those discussions.
06:08:55 But we are again very cognizant of the scope of our
06:08:58 authority, and not overstepping that, and over the past two
06:09:02 years, we have gathered those folks.
06:09:04 We have gotten a lot of information.
06:09:06 We have been a little bit frustrated as a committee because
06:09:09 we can't do some things that we think this council would
06:09:12 want to hear from us.
06:09:13 And what we are simply asking for tonight is the authority
06:09:16 to get this back together including the county and certainly
06:09:19 to Councilman Suarez's point, we understand that the mayor
06:09:23 is the mayor of the city.
06:09:24 We would never do anything without his knowledge or
06:09:27 permission, and we work for this group here, and we would
06:09:32 never do anything that's outside the scope of what this
06:09:34 council wants us to do.
06:09:36 But to gather those folks together and be able to articulate
06:09:41 what that body might look like, and who might participate in
06:09:45 I don't think it would be limited to just government.
06:09:47 Honestly, I think it would be -- it would have other
06:09:51 But we have heard from those groups, but we haven't be
06:09:54 offered any suggestions or advice or brainstormed with,
06:09:58 because again we felt it was outside --
06:10:00 >> Well, I get what you are trying to do.
06:10:02 I think having a regional plan would be a great idea, but I
06:10:05 think that there are already groups, some of which that we
06:10:09 both just mentioned that would need to be the champion of
06:10:13 that, who would say, yeah, you know.
06:10:17 Somebody at visit Tampa Bay or somebody at the EEC would
06:10:21 have to say let's go for it and be the one to cause that
06:10:27 study to be done, whether it's by a consultant, an outside
06:10:32 consultant, whether they use the people that you have
06:10:34 already gathered together in some way.
06:10:36 But I think there are entities who need to buy in and
06:10:41 support it and give it its backing and be the champion for
06:10:45 >> We wholeheartedly agree.
06:10:48 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Excuse me, I am running behind time, and
06:10:50 I apologize, but let me go to Mr. Shelby to see if he has
06:10:54 some input that he's interested in saying.
06:10:56 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
06:10:58 Members of council, I cannot tell you tonight that you as a
06:11:03 body have the authority to delegate that authority to this
06:11:10 board under the charter and the separation of power.
06:11:14 For instance, an interlocal agreement clearly is not the
06:11:18 purview of this board, it cannot be delegated to another
06:11:21 outside authority or an advisory board, which is the way
06:11:26 that it's presently constituted.
06:11:28 That being said, it's my concern looking at the role of what
06:11:35 the board is presently as its constituted and what it wishes
06:11:40 to do, I would need to look further to see if such a thing
06:11:43 is possible, and I do have serious concerns about delegating
06:11:48 authority to which the council has no authority under the
06:11:52 And I would have to look further into it.
06:11:54 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: See, I don't know what Baltimore
06:11:56 government S.I don't know how it's formatted.
06:11:59 I really don't.
06:11:59 I don't know if it's one big government.
06:12:01 I don't know fits divided in two different areas.
06:12:03 I don't know if they call it boroughs or counties or
06:12:07 I like the area.
06:12:09 And GNM's crab cakes near the airport is very good.
06:12:14 But I don't know how the format is compared to what we are.
06:12:18 That's the first hurdle that we have.
06:12:20 And I'm not disagreeing with the concept.
06:12:23 But that's why I want to ask Mrs. Capin or somebody here --
06:12:28 I'm at a loss to put this together because it's a did you
06:12:31 have -- you are talking about three entities.
06:12:33 They have one form of government in the county.
06:12:35 We have this legislative body.
06:12:37 And you have a strong mayor.
06:12:40 And I'm not talking about the person, I'm talking about the
06:12:42 system, all three of them.
06:12:45 And he is a strong mayor.
06:12:46 Let me say that so he doesn't call me tonight and say I said
06:12:49 something wrong.
06:12:50 But he never has called me.
06:12:51 But what I am saying is these are the things that I'm
06:12:54 struggling with.
06:12:55 And you see the questions that I asked that weren't
06:12:58 derogatory against the idea.
06:12:59 But I don't know how to put it together right now.
06:13:04 As Mrs. Montelione said, there's got to be 30 different
06:13:07 agencies on both sides that basically do the same thing.
06:13:10 There's so many of them.
06:13:12 And where are the tax dollars going to come from?
06:13:15 You are talking about the tax, the tourist tax that they
06:13:20 have, and the amount of money, the bed tax, to ask them to
06:13:24 give you money, it's going to be very difficult.
06:13:29 You had some things coming on the horizon.
06:13:30 I don't know how they are going to work out.
06:13:33 It's very difficult for us, or for me, anyway.
06:13:36 I'm struggling.
06:13:37 And to give you direction.
06:13:39 But the only thing I can tell you is there's in a law that
06:13:42 prohibits you as an individual to appear before the county
06:13:46 commission, to ask them if they are interested.
06:13:48 And believe me, I know your time is very valuable.
06:13:52 And you are very good at what you do.
06:13:55 But if you can get on that agenda, just ask them, and we'll
06:13:59 ask the mayor if that's what his interest is, and then you
06:14:02 have a common sense of where you are going.
06:14:04 That's what I'm saying.
06:14:05 >> Thank you.
06:14:07 And just to address Mr. Shelby's, to be clear, we are not
06:14:12 asking for any delegation of any kind of authority or
06:14:14 decision making authority.
06:14:15 Simply what we are asking is a reforming of the scope of the
06:14:19 charge of the committee, to have the discussions --
06:14:25 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: He's talking at the language in the
06:14:27 charter where we have to T right to form something that goes
06:14:30 to another government.
06:14:31 I think in those terms, very basic, that's what he's saying.
06:14:35 But I would like to leave this for another day.
06:14:37 Not that I'm trying to get arrived you.
06:14:39 I'm not.
06:14:41 But I have more people staring at me than just you.
06:14:44 >> We have more fun steps to talk about, too.
06:14:50 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I would ask Ms. Capin to continue to work
06:14:52 with your group to formulate an opinion and work with Mr.
06:14:55 Shelby on how to somehow get this done, at least to the
06:15:03 Mr. Cohen.
06:15:03 >>HARRY COHEN: I will make a brief comment.
06:15:05 Obviously, Mr. Shelby is going to do some work to define
06:15:08 what an appropriate scope of something like this would be.
06:15:11 I want to add another wrinkle to it as long as you are going
06:15:15 to be doing that.
06:15:15 I think it's more than just reaching out to Hillsborough
06:15:18 The fact of the matter is if you read Judy Lisi's comment,
06:15:22 if you look at the needs of the entire region, the cities of
06:15:27 St. Petersburg and Clearwater, the beach communities,
06:15:29 Pinellas County, there's a lot of surrounding communities
06:15:33 that have a stake in the regional identity that we are
06:15:36 talking about here.
06:15:37 So when you do this research, it's more, I think, than just
06:15:42 going across the street.
06:15:44 It's also going across the bay.
06:15:46 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: And you know the limits of Tampa now to
06:15:48 the east.
06:15:49 Now we are looking at Plant City to the west.
06:15:51 So over to St. Pete.
06:15:53 >> Yes, sir.
06:15:55 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'm trying to be -- Mr. Cohen is right.
06:15:57 Mrs. Capin is right.
06:15:59 It's more than just Hillsborough County.
06:16:01 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I agree.
06:16:01 Some very valid points have been brought up.
06:16:04 And I appreciate them.
06:16:05 And I also appreciate that our City Council attorney study
06:16:09 this and come back to us with a recommendation on how we can
06:16:14 move forward, and if we can move forward.
06:16:16 So I think that would be the best way.
06:16:19 >> We very much appreciate council's consideration of.
06:16:21 This we take the charge that you all have given us here, we
06:16:24 know that we push the envelope sometimes, but we will
06:16:29 continue to do what we can to help advise this council for
06:16:33 the betterment of the city.
06:16:34 And we very much appreciate the dialogue.
06:16:37 It's very constructive.
06:16:39 And if we have time, my vice chair had a few other points
06:16:42 not on this specific issue but a few other points in our
06:16:45 If you don't, that's fine.
06:16:49 >>YVONNE CAPIN: This is the biggest one.
06:16:51 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: If you are going to do it within five
06:16:52 minutes, that's fine.
06:16:53 >> Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
06:16:57 >> Dave Scott, the vice chairman of the advisory committee
06:17:03 for economic impact of cultural assets.
06:17:07 I have got five minutes.
06:17:08 I will do it in three.
06:17:09 Just a couple of things.
06:17:12 You are right, sir.
06:17:13 Judy Lisi's comments were extraordinary.
06:17:15 It really highlights the power, the potential that we have
06:17:19 to promote our region and our cultural assets.
06:17:24 So it's extraordinarily important.
06:17:26 And the frustration that we have that nobody seems to be
06:17:28 inviting the others in the talk.
06:17:31 So we hope we can help to do that.
06:17:33 Part of the definition of cultural assets is those things
06:17:37 that in life and compliment and make you a vibrant, human
06:17:43 beings, and the events that we undertake and we sponsor are
06:17:47 a large part of that.
06:17:48 So of the two things I want to talk to you about, that's
06:17:50 number one.
06:17:51 Our sense that there were things that we can do to not only
06:17:56 promote quality events and more of them, but really
06:18:00 incentivize and encourage.
06:18:03 And there's three legs to the stool.
06:18:05 One is the funding.
06:18:06 The second one is the ease of coordination, and the advocacy
06:18:09 or assistance through the process, and the last one is the
06:18:16 ability to use common sense in terms of the requirements for
06:18:22 When we are notified by a young man who undertakes the
06:18:27 Christmas season events, it's growing, doubling and tripling
06:18:30 in size every year, and it gets to be such a popular event,
06:18:34 a whole family type of engagement, and he's considering not
06:18:38 doing it in Tampa anymore because it's too hard to
06:18:41 coordinate and too expensive in order to undertake, that's a
06:18:45 warning sign for us.
06:18:47 So three legs of the stool.
06:18:49 We would ask council to take a look at maybe a budget line
06:18:52 for the council, get involved in looking at the events that
06:18:55 are proposed, approving, prioritizing, and allocating funds.
06:19:01 The second is the encouragement and facilitation.
06:19:04 Ybor City Development Corporation last year, I believe, or
06:19:08 2012, passed up eleven recommendations, and they are mostly
06:19:13 in the mechanic things that can help streamline and maybe
06:19:18 And then discretion in levels.
06:19:21 That's more than approach.
06:19:22 It's kind of a philosophy of our administration.
06:19:28 When you are looking at an event, maybe an event around a
06:19:32 park, that's dedicated to promoting cancer cure, or help for
06:19:37 folks that need live tissue for cornea transplants that's
06:19:42 different than a musical engagement, where there's a lot of
06:19:44 skinheads on a street corner and public concern.
06:19:49 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: You aren't looking at me, are you?
06:19:52 [ Laughter ]
06:19:54 With many tattoos.
06:19:56 Number one is the support for specific special events in
06:20:00 The second one is, it could be, how do you get all the
06:20:07 regional stakeholders and cultural assets around the table?
06:20:10 This council approved a resolution on the Cuban sandwich not
06:20:17 long ago, created quite a stir, created a lot of press and
06:20:21 created a lot of interest in Tampa.
06:20:23 And it's spinning off its own festivals
06:20:25 We have a task force looking at other culinary original
06:20:29 ideas for our city and region.
06:20:33 We found one that's pretty powerful.
06:20:35 And it ties in the culinary part of this with our cultural
06:20:39 or heritage groups, our history.
06:20:43 Fernandez DeSoto landed in 1539, just south of here, with
06:20:48 the first 13 domesticated pigs to come into North America.
06:20:53 So we are the gateway for the pork industry in North
06:20:58 And, okay, that's Manatee County, really, if you look, at
06:21:03 piney point down by port Manatee, but DeSoto traveled north
06:21:08 up around the eastern border of the city and then on into
06:21:12 the Tallahassee area.
06:21:13 If you look online right now, punch in bacon festivals, you
06:21:17 are going see this year, 2014, 44 different events in major
06:21:22 cities all over the United States.
06:21:24 In Florida, the home of pork, there is one festival and it's
06:21:29 in St. Augustine.
06:21:30 So what we would recommend to council as a group that looks
06:21:35 at how to promote, get a little excitement going, create
06:21:39 maybe for a regional approach, this definitely won't belong
06:21:42 in the City of Tampa, it's going to have regional type of
06:21:47 So we would leave that on your table.
06:21:49 Maybe this is be the forum of some kind of resolution, the
06:21:56 forum of endorsement up to council.
06:21:59 There are just a couple other things in the interest of
06:22:01 time, I will delay those for another report.
06:22:04 But I wanted to end this session on that note and welcome
06:22:08 any further questions or comments you might have.
06:22:11 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Any other questions or comments?
06:22:14 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Thank you for that.
06:22:15 I just want to say very quickly on the cultural and special
06:22:19 events, the system that we are in right now is an in-kind.
06:22:24 Each department contributes, and the committee believes the
06:22:28 specific budget was created, and would encourage new events
06:22:34 within the city.
06:22:35 The committee also recommends that the applications
06:22:37 requesting city partnership be approved by City Council.
06:22:40 It is an important -- it is important to incentivize and
06:22:44 leverage these special events that promote our culture.
06:22:47 That's a recommendation.
06:22:50 I'm just reading off the recommendations, if I may.
06:22:54 And then the other one is to the committee has researched
06:22:57 the county process of placing historical markers at the
06:23:02 Jackson house and would encourage City Council to draft a
06:23:04 letter to support the creation and placing of such a marker.
06:23:09 The other thing was the task force has been reviewing case
06:23:13 studies, and incentives for art based businesses in the
06:23:17 urban core and will provide an update in our next report.
06:23:21 We also looked at the banner program, and that was that
06:23:27 Tampa was awarded the Super Bowl in 1984, and Stephani
06:23:34 Agliano headed up that task force, and what they found was
06:23:37 that there is -- the current location, to look at default
06:23:49 Looking into the possibility that expanding the program into
06:23:51 additional neighborhoods as well as negotiating, or actually
06:23:55 talking about the use of default space.
06:23:58 That's when a banner is not being used, that it be a default
06:24:03 to the City of Tampa, and we use that to promote our
06:24:07 cultural assets.
06:24:08 Those are some of the things that we recommend for City
06:24:11 Council to consider and to move on if that is what -- and I
06:24:22 think that was the end of the -- let me look here.
06:24:27 Incentive cultural assets, culture and tourism, and then the
06:24:38 site spoke about that we look into our culinary history, and
06:24:43 we keep researching, looking at the -- when we saw this 1539
06:24:52 Tampa Bay was where -- actually, Tampa is responsible for
06:25:00 bacon in North America basically is what we are saying, so
06:25:03 we would like to ask that that be considered.
06:25:06 And that would summarize pretty much -- and if you have any
06:25:10 closing statements, I would appreciate it.
06:25:11 >> If you have not red Judy Lisi's article, it's a powerful
06:25:21 statement of the potential to export cultural assets for
06:25:25 economic gain for the area.
06:25:26 Thank you very much.
06:25:27 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
06:25:27 We appreciate it very much.
06:25:29 Need a motion to open public hearings 3 through 9.
06:25:32 Motion by Mr. Cohen.
06:25:33 Second by Mr. Reddick.
06:25:35 All in favor of the motion?
06:25:37 The ayes have it unanimously.
06:25:38 Anyone who is going to speak to these items 3 through 9, if
06:25:43 you have any intentions or just think you are going to
06:25:45 speak, please raise your right hand and get sworn by the
06:25:50 I would appreciate it very much.
06:25:52 If not you cannot speak.
06:25:53 (Oath administered by Clerk)
06:25:55 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Item number 3.
06:26:05 This is the first public hearing.
06:26:06 >> Good evening.
06:26:13 Abbye Feeley, Land Development Coordination.
06:26:16 Item number 3 on your agenda this evening is REZ-1409.
06:26:20 It's the rezoning request located at 303 and 305 east Dr.
06:26:25 Martin Luther King Jr. Boulevard.
06:26:29 The request before you tonight is from an RS-50 residential
06:26:33 single-family to a CG commercial general.
06:26:36 This is the Euclidean request.
06:26:37 No waivers are being requested or are permitted.
06:26:41 Thank you.
06:26:42 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
06:26:42 >> David Hay with your Planning Commission staff, and you
06:26:49 have been sworn.
06:26:51 For our first case we end up in the central Tampa planning
06:26:54 The subject site is located on the south side of east Dr.
06:26:58 Martin Luther King Jr. Boulevard about 550 feet east of
06:27:01 North Florida Avenue.
06:27:03 The subject site is located on the mixed use corridor, and
06:27:06 it is located within the Tampa Heights urban village.
06:27:09 The urban village designations are areas recognized by the
06:27:14 comprehensive plan for structural and cultural nature.
06:27:18 And I recognized an important key to Tampa's overall
06:27:22 Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. Boulevard is also designated a
06:27:32 On the aerial, the subject site on the center of the map.
06:27:34 Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. Boulevard runs east and west.
06:27:38 North Florida Avenue you can see on the left side.
06:27:40 You can see the difference in the overall development
06:27:42 pattern along those two corridors.
06:27:45 Florida Avenue, we have intensive commercial uses, while on
06:27:49 this stretch of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. Boulevard.
06:27:52 There are more office and multifamily uses.
06:27:56 You can also see the single-family residential pattern
06:27:58 located to the north and south of the subject site, north
06:28:01 of -- east is on the corridor.
06:28:06 And we can see some of the buildings associated with the
06:28:08 Robles Park housing development.
06:28:11 Onto the future land use map, the subject site and
06:28:14 properties immediately surrounding along Dr. Martin Luther
06:28:17 King Jr. Boulevard are also in that community mixed use 35,
06:28:21 which is represented by that pink color.
06:28:23 The red located to the west along north Florida Avenue is
06:28:28 the community commercial 35.
06:28:29 The light brown directly to the south it of the subject site
06:28:32 is the residential 20 future land use category.
06:28:35 While the tan located to the north of Dr. Martin Luther King
06:28:39 Jr. is the residential 10 future land use category.
06:28:43 Overall Planning Commission staff found the proposed
06:28:45 rezoning would allow for the continued intensification of
06:28:48 the existing mixed use corridor, the proposed commercial
06:28:52 general district would provide for a development pattern
06:28:55 which is com comparable and compatible to that surrounding
06:28:58 commercial development along that stretch, and with the
06:29:01 appropriate buffering and screening as called for within the
06:29:03 Land Development Code, the proposed rezoning should not any
06:29:06 negative impact on any adjacent residential uses.
06:29:09 Therefore, based on those findings and the goals, objectives
06:29:12 and policies of the comprehensive plan, Planning Commission
06:29:15 staff finds the rezoning request consistent with the Tampa
06:29:18 comprehensive plan.
06:29:23 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you.
06:29:23 >>ABBYE FEELEY: Land development.
06:29:24 As I mentioned, the request is from an RS-50 to a CG
06:29:28 commercial general to allow for commercial use of the
06:29:30 The subject property is .25 acres, and there is a single
06:29:35 family dwelling unit on the-currently on the property.
06:29:38 It is surrounded by the Seminole Heights form based on the
06:29:44 north side of MLK so this is the south side, not included in
06:29:47 that area.
06:29:50 So the request is for a regular CG zoning district.
06:29:54 It is surrounded by business professional office and
06:29:57 multifamily to the north across MLK, single-family
06:29:59 residential on the west and south, and commercial vacant and
06:30:07 parking on the east.
06:30:08 Minimum requirement is CG is 10,000 square feet which is
06:30:11 typically 100 by 100 lot.
06:30:13 The setbacks are 10-foot front, side, rear and corner.
06:30:16 Let me go ahead and show you the zoning atlas sheet.
06:30:21 The property is shown in green.
06:30:23 Immediately adjacent to the east is CG.
06:30:27 Immediately across Martin Luther King to the north is the
06:30:31 To the south and west is RS 50.
06:30:35 And as David mentioned there is commercial intensive along
06:30:39 the Florida Avenue.
06:30:45 There's an aerial of the property.
06:30:47 I did mention, over to the northwest is galaxy fireworks.
06:30:53 There is an office center to the north as well.
06:30:57 Multifamily residential.
06:31:00 To the east there is a medical office, and surface parking
06:31:05 to serve that office, as well as one single-family
06:31:13 Some pictures of the site, subject property.
06:31:21 A little closer up.
06:31:29 And to the west, salami does not face MLK so it is faced
06:31:38 northwest rather than north-south.
06:31:39 This is to the east.
06:31:44 Also to the east.
06:31:45 This is at the corner of mayfield and MLK.
06:31:53 On the north side of Martin Luther King, back at the corner
06:32:02 of north side of MLK, at the corner of Seminole and MLK, now
06:32:06 moving west towards galaxy fireworks.
06:32:11 That's a commercial office center, multifamily, that faces
06:32:16 MLK, and then galaxy fireworks starts toward the western
06:32:24 The property does meet the minimum requirements of the
06:32:26 commercial general, and given the surrounding area, staff
06:32:29 did find the request consistent.
06:32:31 We are available for any questions.
06:32:33 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
06:32:33 Any questions at this time?
06:32:36 >> My name is Carlos Castilla.
06:32:43 1936 west Martin Luther King, suite 205.
06:32:48 I represent the owner.
06:32:50 And with that explanation, I guess I don't have much to say.
06:32:56 But the only thing is we don't know what this is going to be
06:33:01 till we get it approved.
06:33:19 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: You want office professional for medical
06:33:21 >> And I don't know.
06:33:25 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: It's different categories and different
06:33:26 partner requirements and so forth and so on.
06:33:33 And don't decide yet.
06:33:40 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Anything else, come up members?
06:33:41 Anyone in the audience care to speak on item number 3?
06:33:47 Anyone on item number 3?
06:33:49 I have a motion to close by Mr. Reddick.
06:33:51 Seconded by Mrs. Montelione.
06:33:53 Further discussion by council members?
06:33:54 All in favor of the motion please indicate by saying aye to
06:33:57 close. Opposed nay.
06:33:58 The ayes have it unanimously.
06:33:59 We go to from left to right.
06:34:01 Item number 3 for first reading of this ordinance.
06:34:03 Mrs. Montelione.
06:34:04 >>LISA MONTELIONE: (off microphone) I move an ordinance
06:34:08 being presented for first reading consideration.
06:34:11 An ordinance rezoning the property in the general vicinity
06:34:13 of 303 and 305 east Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. Boulevard in
06:34:18 the city of Tampa, Florida and more particularly described
06:34:20 in section 1 from zoning district classification RS-50
06:34:23 residential single-family to CG commercial general providing
06:34:26 an effective date.
06:34:28 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion by Mrs. Montelione, a
06:34:30 second by Mr. Reddick.
06:34:31 Further discussion by council members?
06:34:32 All in favor of the motion please indicate by saying aye.
06:34:35 Opposed nay. The ayes have it unanimously.
06:34:37 >>THE CLERK: Mr. Chair, for second reading will be held on
06:34:41 June 5th, 2014 at 9:00 a.m.
06:34:45 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much for attending.
06:34:47 Item number 4.
06:34:47 >> Mary Yeager from Land Development Coordination.
06:34:56 Item number 4 before you is REZ-1411.
06:35:00 It is a property located at 3608 west Euclid Avenue.
06:35:03 It is a request to rezone from RO residential office to
06:35:08 residential single-family RS-50.
06:35:11 This is the Euclidean rezoning so therefore no waivers are
06:35:16 I defer to the Planning Commission.
06:35:17 >> The next case we move down to South Tampa planning
06:35:31 The subject site is located along the south side of west
06:35:34 Euclid Avenue directly north of Britain plaza.
06:35:37 Britain plaza does serve as a transit center with routes
06:35:42 connecting through that center to downtown over to Pinellas
06:35:47 Onto the aerial, the subject site is located in the center
06:35:50 of the aerial, as always.
06:35:53 We can see west Euclid Avenue running east-west through the
06:35:57 To the east of the subject site, you can make out south
06:36:01 Himes Avenue running north and south, and then you can also
06:36:05 see the Crosstown expressway in the lower right of the
06:36:09 The subject site as stated before backs up to Britton plaza
06:36:13 which you can see to the south there.
06:36:15 Finally, I have the future land use map.
06:36:18 I wanted to show you the zoomed out version of the future
06:36:20 land use map.
06:36:22 You can see that the subject site is located on the fringe
06:36:27 of a major activity center.
06:36:29 The subject site and all parcels on the south side of this
06:36:33 portion of west Euclid are all designated residential 20,
06:36:37 that light brown.
06:36:38 The red directly to the south is the community commercial
06:36:42 That's Britton plaza and all those other uses.
06:36:45 The tan color which makes up most of the map is the
06:36:48 residential 10 future land use category.
06:36:50 And the parcels with the pinkish color are all designated
06:36:54 community mixed use 35.
06:36:56 Overall, planning staff found that the proposed planned
06:37:00 development would allow for development pattern in keeping
06:37:03 with the residential -- actually, it's to RS-50.
06:37:06 The residential uses planned along this portion of west
06:37:10 Euclid Avenue.
06:37:11 The rezoning would allow for more logical transition of
06:37:14 intensity and dense tip from the commercial uses to the
06:37:16 south to the larger lot, single-family detached residential
06:37:20 located to the north of the subject site.
06:37:23 Therefore, based on those findings and the goals, objectives
06:37:25 and poses of the comprehensive plan, Planning Commission
06:37:28 staff funds the rezoning request consistent with the Tampa
06:37:31 comprehensive plan.
06:37:31 >>> Thank you.
06:37:38 Mary Samaniego for the record.
06:37:45 West Euclid Avenue, rezoning request from residential office
06:37:48 to potentially create two buildable single-family
06:37:52 residential lots.
06:37:52 The subject property is approximately 122 feet by 110 feet,
06:37:57 approximately 13,420 square feet.
06:38:00 The property is located one lot west of the intersection of
06:38:04 west Himes Avenue and west Euclid Avenue.
06:38:07 It is surrounded to the east with the law office,
06:38:12 residential single-family detached to the west, and south --
06:38:16 I'm sorry, west and north, and to the south is Britton plaza
06:38:20 commercial development.
06:38:21 For the RS-50 zoning district that any potential subdivision
06:38:25 would adhere to, there are standards for 5,000 square foot
06:38:28 minimum lot size with a 50-foot minimum lot width with
06:38:31 setbacks of 20 feet in the front, 7 for the corner and side,
06:38:35 and 20 to the rear.
06:38:40 With a 35-foot.
06:38:45 Again, here is the subject property.
06:38:51 To the direct east is also existing residential zoning.
06:38:54 To the north is a large residential 50, existing zoning, and
06:39:01 to the far south is the commercial general zoning for
06:39:06 Britton Plaza.
06:39:10 Here is an aerial view of the property.
06:39:13 Again you can see there is an existing law office here,
06:39:16 large existing residential subdivision, and here is the
06:39:20 plaza and existing single-family development further to the
06:39:23 Here are the photos for the site.
06:39:27 This is the existing site.
06:39:33 To the west is single-family residential.
06:39:35 Further to the west is more single-family residential
06:39:38 To the direct east of the subject site is the law office of
06:39:42 Spocha. At the intersection of Himes.
06:39:47 Directly across the street is existing residential
06:39:51 Further to the west, existing single-family development.
06:39:54 And we continue on.
06:39:56 Further to the west, across the street, single-family
06:40:00 And across the street to the east a single-family
06:40:02 development as well.
06:40:07 Upon review of the application staff finds the application
06:40:12 meets the general design standards and guidelines of the
06:40:14 RS-50 and so we find it consistent.
06:40:17 If you have any questions for me at this time.
06:40:19 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
06:40:19 Any questions?
06:40:22 >> Good evening, councilmen.
06:40:33 I'm Gary Brown.
06:40:35 My address is 114 south Oregon Avenue, Tampa, Florida 33606
06:40:40 and I have been sworn.
06:40:41 I don't have a lot to add to the staff report.
06:40:44 I am here representing the owner Martin Bezdek and he's here
06:40:51 The property was purchased by Mr. Bezdek in 2007 but it was
06:40:57 a previous owner that rezoned it from RS-50 to RO.
06:41:00 And so he's basically requesting that he take the zoning
06:41:03 back to the RS-50 because he does have two platted lots and
06:41:08 he would like to build two homes for sale.
06:41:13 That ends my presentation.
06:41:15 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
06:41:15 >> I ask for your approval.
06:41:18 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: The first two presentations have been
06:41:20 kind of short.
06:41:20 I'm happy about that.
06:41:21 Let me say that just north of the street, I believe that's
06:41:26 Euclid, there is no commercial.
06:41:30 I remember it, the lots south of there, there was one or two
06:41:35 rezonings of good neighbors of Balmar came in droves, spoke
06:41:42 to us some years back, talking more than ten years back
06:41:46 maybe, and zonings past.
06:41:48 And now we are going back to what it was originally, right?
06:41:53 >> That's correct.
06:41:53 >> All right.
06:41:54 What I am worrying about is once you get this, I don't know
06:41:57 what a future council is going to do for the same location,
06:42:00 that wants to change again.
06:42:02 I'm just letting you know now.
06:42:04 >> Okay.
06:42:04 >> Anyone in the public care to speak on this item number 4,
06:42:10 >> Move to close.
06:42:13 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Motion to close by Mrs. Montelione.
06:42:15 Second by Mr. Reddick.
06:42:16 All in favor?
06:42:18 The ayes have it unanimously.
06:42:20 Mr. Cohen, would you kindly read this ordinance for first
06:42:23 >>HARRY COHEN: I move an ordinance being presented for
06:42:25 first reading consideration, an ordinance rezoning property
06:42:28 in the general vicinity of 3608 west Euclid Avenue in the
06:42:33 city of Tampa, Florida and more particularly described in
06:42:35 section 1 from zoning district classification RO residential
06:42:40 office to RS-50 residential single-family providing an
06:42:43 effective date.
06:42:43 >> Second.
06:42:45 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion by Mr. Cohen, a second by
06:42:48 Mrs. Montelione.
06:42:48 Further discussion by council members?
06:42:50 All in favor?
06:42:52 The ayes have it unanimously.
06:42:54 Thank you very much, I appreciate it.
06:42:56 Item number 5.
06:42:57 >>ABBYE FEELEY: Land development.
06:42:59 Item number 5 is --
06:43:04 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Excuse me.
06:43:04 Second reading.
06:43:05 >>THE CLERK: Mr. Chair, the second hearing will be held on
06:43:09 June 5th, 2014 at 9:30 a.m.
06:43:14 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: June 5th, 9:30 a.m. clerk and just to
06:43:18 correct the record.
06:43:19 The public hearing on number 3, file RES 1409 will be held
06:43:24 on June 5th at 9:30 a.m. as well.
06:43:28 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
06:43:29 Thank you very much.
06:43:30 Item number 5.
06:43:30 >>ABBYE FEELEY: Land development.
06:43:34 Item number 5 on your agenda tonight is REZ 14-13s located
06:43:39 at 2807 north 35th street.
06:43:42 The request before you tonight is from CI commercial
06:43:45 intensive to CG commercial general, Euclidean rezoning
06:43:51 request, and no waivers may be granted.
06:43:54 Thank you.
06:43:54 >>David Hay: David Hay with your Planning Commission staff
06:44:02 and I have been sworn.
06:44:03 We head back up to the central Tampa planning district for
06:44:05 the next case.
06:44:06 The subject site is located north of Columbus drive on north
06:44:09 35th street in the East Tampa urban village.
06:44:13 The subject site is also located adjacent to an identified
06:44:16 transit emphasis corridor and is currently served by Hart 15
06:44:23 which connects the site to be a number of centers including
06:44:26 Westshore business district in that park.
06:44:28 Onto the aerial.
06:44:30 The subject site is in the center.
06:44:32 East 19th Avenue and east Columbus drive both can be
06:44:35 seen running east-west across the aerial there.
06:44:39 You can also make out that most of the surrounding area is
06:44:43 industrial in character with some residential and commercial
06:44:46 uses located further west around north 34th street.
06:44:51 Finally, we have the future land use map.
06:44:56 The subject site and property is located on all four sides
06:45:00 designated light industrial represented by the gray color.
06:45:02 The brown to the north, located along east 21st Avenue
06:45:06 is the residential 35.
06:45:08 While the red to the west along north 34th street is the
06:45:12 community commercial 35.
06:45:15 Overall Planning Commission staff found the request for
06:45:17 general commercial zoning comparable and compatible with the
06:45:20 surrounding development pattern, commercial general zoning
06:45:24 district is an allowed district under the light industrial
06:45:26 land use category.
06:45:28 Therefore, based on those findings and the goals, objectives
06:45:30 and policies of the comprehensive plan, planning commission
06:45:33 staff finds the rezoning request consistent with the Tampa
06:45:35 comprehensive plan.
06:45:36 >> Again the request is from CI commercial intensive to CG
06:45:46 commercial general to allow for commercial general use of
06:45:48 the property.
06:45:50 The property is just a little over an acre and it's located
06:45:54 at the northeast corner of north 35th street and
06:45:57 19th Avenue as David showed you.
06:46:01 Sorry, let me put up the atlas.
06:46:06 The it is currently zoned CI.
06:46:08 There's other CI along 34th, and along also 36th.
06:46:15 That sliver there.
06:46:16 The majority is industrial general zoning.
06:46:23 There's an aerial of the site.
06:46:25 18th to the south.
06:46:26 35th to the west.
06:46:33 Commercial general zoning district as I previously mentioned
06:46:36 in the other application requires 10,000 square feet.
06:46:40 This property does meet this, as well as the minimum lot
06:46:44 requirement of 75 feet, the setbacks at 10-foot.
06:46:48 Let me show you some pictures of the site.
06:46:51 This is the subject property from 35th.
06:46:57 The 18th.
06:47:01 From 18th headed west, this approaching 35th.
06:47:09 This is the north side.
06:47:10 The south side coming down 18th.
06:47:16 Directly to the south of the property, and at the south side
06:47:21 of 35th and 19th.
06:47:26 South side of 35th and 18th, I'm sorry.
06:47:29 Based on the property meeting the minimum standards, staff
06:47:32 did find the request to down zone the property from CI to CG
06:47:39 We are available for any questions.
06:47:42 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Any questions by council members?
06:47:43 >> My name is Matt walker, engineer of record.
06:47:58 Basically, Ms. Feeley covered everything.
06:48:00 I am just kind of here to answer any questions that may come
06:48:03 up if anybody has anything.
06:48:06 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Ms. Feeley, you are doing an outstanding
06:48:08 job with the first three.
06:48:09 I don't know what we need a petitioner for.
06:48:12 [ Laughter ]
06:48:12 Any questions by council members at this time?
06:48:15 Thank you very much.
06:48:17 Anyone care to speak on item number 5, REZ-14-13?
06:48:22 I see no one.
06:48:23 I have a motion to close by Mr. Cohen.
06:48:25 Second by Mr. Reddick.
06:48:26 Further discussion by council members?
06:48:27 All in favor of the motion please indicate by saying aye.
06:48:30 Nay? The ayes have it unanimously.
06:48:32 Ms. Mulhern, read number 5, please.
06:48:34 >>MARY MULHERN: I move an ordinance being presented for
06:48:37 first reading consideration, an ordinance rezoning property
06:48:40 in the general vicinity of 2807 north 35th street in the
06:48:45 city of Tampa, Florida and more particularly described in
06:48:47 section 1 from zoning district classification CI commercial
06:48:52 intensive to CG commercial general, providing an effective
06:48:55 >> Second.
06:48:57 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion by Mrs. Mulhern, a second
06:48:59 by Mr. Suarez.
06:49:00 Further discussion by council members?
06:49:02 All in favor of the motion?
06:49:04 The ayes have it unanimously.
06:49:06 >>THE CLERK: Mr. Chair, the second hearing will be held on
06:49:09 June 5th, 2014 at 9:30 a.m.
06:49:14 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much for attending.
06:49:16 We go to item number 6.
06:49:18 >> Mary Samaniego for the record. REZ-14-14, 4115 East
06:49:36 Busch Boulevard from an existing planned development PD to
06:49:37 commercial general. In a Euclidean rezoning request, there
06:49:40 are no waivers permitted.
06:49:42 I defer to the Planning Commission for their report.
06:49:44 >>David Hay: Planning Commission staff.
06:49:50 I have been sworn.
06:49:51 Our next case we move up to the university area planning
06:49:55 area, which is identified as one of the three growth areas
06:49:59 within the City of Tampa.
06:50:00 The subject site is located on the south side of east Busch
06:50:04 Boulevard just west of Mel's hotdogs located on the northern
06:50:08 boundary of the Temple Crest neighborhood.
06:50:09 The subject site is also located adjacent to designated
06:50:13 transit em fa physician corridor which is east Busch
06:50:18 Onto the aerial.
06:50:20 The subject site is in the center.
06:50:22 We can see east Busch Boulevard running east-west with
06:50:25 McKinley drive, north 40th Street running north-south on the
06:50:30 left side of the aerial.
06:50:31 The large parking area to the north is associated with Busch
06:50:36 While the remaining parcel located along east Busch
06:50:39 Boulevard contain a mixture of commercial and multifamily
06:50:44 There are some single-family uses along south -- Avenue.
06:50:52 Again I want to show you the zoomed out version of the land
06:50:55 use map because I believe you see the land use system, how
06:50:58 it all works a little better.
06:51:00 A zoomed-in copy of the future land use map is provided
06:51:03 within your packet.
06:51:04 The subject site including properties located east and west
06:51:07 along Busch Boulevard are all that community mixed use 35
06:51:12 represented by that pinkish color.
06:51:14 The brown color just to the south and west of the subject
06:51:17 site is some of the residential 35.
06:51:20 You can also see that this parcel makes up the southern
06:51:23 portion of what is planned to be an intensive activity
06:51:26 center, south of the University of South Florida, with some
06:51:30 urban mixed use 60 and heavy industrial land uses.
06:51:34 Overall Planning Commission staff found that proposed
06:51:36 rezoning to CG would be comparable and compatible to the
06:51:40 existing and planned development pat earn long this portion
06:51:43 of east Busch Boulevard.
06:51:45 Most of the properties along this portion of east Busch
06:51:48 Boulevard are either zoned for CG uses or planned
06:51:51 developments that allow for commercial general uses.
06:51:54 Therefore, based on those findings and the goals, objectives
06:51:57 and policies of the comprehensive plan, Planning Commission
06:51:59 staff finds the rezoning request consistent with the Tampa
06:52:02 comprehensive plan.
06:52:06 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you.
06:52:11 Mary Samaniego for the record.
06:52:16 It's currently zoned planned development and they request to
06:52:20 allow for all CG permitted uses.
06:52:24 The property is approximately 2.05 acres.
06:52:27 Again, it is located on east Busch Boulevard and north
06:52:29 Orange View Avenue.
06:52:34 The existing PD was approved in 1994 to create a restaurant.
06:52:38 This restaurant now is currently vacant.
06:52:41 This site is surround to the north by Busch Gardens overflow
06:52:46 parking, and the other apartment complex to the east and
06:52:52 To the direct west of the property across north Orange View
06:52:55 Avenue is a Pizza Hut restaurant.
06:52:57 The minimum standard as I stated previously for the
06:53:00 commercial general zoning district are 10,000 square feet
06:53:04 lot area with a 75-foot minimum lot width, setbacks are 10
06:53:07 feet for the side, and a corner lot.
06:53:13 With a 45-foot height requirement.
06:53:17 Again on the location map, the existing property, zoned PD.
06:53:21 There's a PD and RM-16 and CG for the Arbor Walk
06:53:27 Across the street is a large expanse of parking for Busch
06:53:29 Gardens including Busch Gardens across the street.
06:53:32 This portion of the property across orange view again is for
06:53:35 the Pizza Hut that is also a planned development.
06:53:39 Here is the aerial photograph of the site.
06:53:41 Again you can see the now vacant restaurant with a large
06:53:45 expanse of parking for the specific property to the south.
06:53:48 Here is the apartment complex, and here is the Pizza Hut
06:53:55 And the larger area, there is single-family residential.
06:54:01 This is the now vacant restaurant which is the subject
06:54:07 To the direct west is some of its parking.
06:54:10 As you go further to the south, this expanse of parking for
06:54:14 this site.
06:54:16 To the west, this is the existing restaurant use in the PD
06:54:20 zonings, the Pizza Hut.
06:54:22 To the direct east is the office and clubhouse for Arbor
06:54:26 You can see the background more of the Arbor Walk apartment
06:54:29 And across the street, a cross Busch Boulevard, large
06:54:33 expansive overflow parking for Busch Gardens.
06:54:37 Saying that, that concludes my presentation.
06:54:40 It has been reviewed against the CG zoning district that
06:54:43 more than meets the minimum design standards and therefore
06:54:46 staff find it consistent.
06:54:48 If you have any questions at this time?
06:54:50 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Just one little correction, Mrs.
06:54:54 I don't know that your system has caught up with the
06:54:56 redistricting that was recently done.
06:54:58 But I believe this is Mr. Reddick's district now.
06:55:03 It's not your fault.
06:55:05 I'm sure it's just -- this system isn't interfacing with the
06:55:10 new district lines.
06:55:18 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
06:55:25 >>GINA GRIMES: Hill, Ward, Henderson, 101 East Kennedy
06:55:30 I have not been sworn.
06:55:31 But I do solemnly swear to tell the truth, the whole truth
06:55:35 and nothing but the truth.
06:55:37 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Clerk, please swear her in.
06:55:39 Anyone else who has not been sworn in that will testify in
06:55:41 today's hearing.
06:55:42 I knew there would be another one.
06:55:44 And another one.
06:55:45 (Oath administered by Clerk).
06:56:04 >> This is a request to CG zoning.
06:56:08 The request for -- the reason for our request is we are
06:56:10 going to renovate the existing structure for a value pawn
06:56:15 and jewelry store.
06:56:18 As staff has mentioned the request is consistent with the
06:56:20 comprehensive plan.
06:56:21 The comp plan category is CMU 35 which allows CG zoning.
06:56:27 As noted in the Planning Commission's report, general
06:56:30 commercial uses are the prevalent development pat earn long
06:56:34 Busch Boulevard.
06:56:35 And Mary showed you pictures of the surrounding uses, most
06:56:38 of which are commercial.
06:56:41 On one small portion of this site it is adjacent to some
06:56:44 residential single-family homes.
06:56:45 But the site is only acceptable for Busch Boulevard, and so
06:56:49 there will be no traffic that cuts through that neighborhood
06:56:52 and will access on and off Busch Boulevard.
06:56:55 The existing building is about 7900 square feet for general
06:57:01 commercial type use, it would only require 32 parking
06:57:04 There are about 134 parking spaces on the site so there is
06:57:08 more than ample parking.
06:57:10 I have some pictures that are included in your package of
06:57:15 The existing site before the existing signs, the new signs
06:57:23 will simply are restate the sign.
06:57:25 Same thing as far as the building is concerned.
06:57:29 There's a sign out front.
06:57:30 It will just be changed to the value park sign and the same
06:57:34 thing with signage along the side of the building.
06:57:37 Given that staff has recommended approval, we would request
06:57:40 your approval as well.
06:57:43 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Mr. Reddick?
06:57:45 >>FRANK REDDICK: Mrs. Grimes, let me ask you one question,
06:57:47 and that is, that area that you mentioned about the
06:57:50 residential part of it, do you recall the name of that
06:57:54 >> Orange view.
06:57:56 >>FRANK REDDICK: Right.
06:57:57 That's what I wanted to make sure.
06:57:59 There is no access on that?
06:58:01 That's what I needed to get clear.
06:58:04 >>GINA GRIMES: When you go out to the site, it got to be at
06:58:06 least six feet higher on this site than orange view and
06:58:09 there's no access down that local road.
06:58:11 >>FRANK REDDICK: That's fine.
06:58:13 Thank you.
06:58:14 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Finished, Mrs. Grimes?
06:58:16 >>GINA GRIMES: Yes, I am.
06:58:17 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Anyone care to speak on this item, item
06:58:19 number 6, REZ-14-14?
06:58:22 That's Pete Rose twice.
06:58:26 Motion to close.
06:58:27 Seconded by Mrs. Montelione.
06:58:29 That used to be the location of a very famous restaurant in
06:58:32 town. The Sea Wolf, right.
06:58:33 >> Did you pet the tiger? Or lion?
06:58:41 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Before I get more trouble, all in favor
06:58:45 to close say aye. Nay?
06:58:51 Mr. Reddick, take number 6, please.
06:58:53 >>FRANK REDDICK: Move an ordinance for first reading
06:58:53 consideration. An ordinance rezoning property in the
06:58:57 general vicinity of 4115 east Busch Boulevard in the city of
06:59:01 Tampa, Florida more particularly described in section 1 from
06:59:03 zoning district classification PD planning development,
06:59:07 restaurant, to CG, commercial general, providing an
06:59:09 effective date.
06:59:11 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion by Mr. Reddick, a second
06:59:13 by Mr. Suarez.
06:59:14 Further discussion by council members?
06:59:15 All in favor of the motion?
06:59:18 the ayes have it unanimously.
06:59:21 >>THE CLERK: Mr. Chair, the second hearing will be held on
06:59:24 June 15, 2014 at 9:30 a.m.
06:59:28 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
06:59:29 Item number 7.
06:59:29 >>ABBYE FEELEY: Land Development Coordination.
06:59:35 Item 7 is another Euclidean rezoning request, case REZ sh-33
06:59:40 and the request before you this evening is from CI
06:59:42 commercial intensive to RS residential single-family.
06:59:53 >>David Hay: Planning Commission staff.
06:59:55 I have been sworn.
06:59:57 We continue our cases in the central Tampa planning area.
07:00:01 The subject site is located on the west side of north Morgan
07:00:05 street, just south of east Columbus drive, in the Tampa
07:00:08 Heights neighborhood.
07:00:09 The subject site also falls within the boundaries of the
07:00:12 Tampa Heights urban village.
07:00:16 And east Columbus drive which is just to the north is
07:00:19 designated as a transit emphasis corridor.
07:00:23 Onto the aerial.
07:00:25 The site as always is in the center right there.
07:00:28 We can see east Columbus drive running east-west, on North
07:00:33 Florida Avenue, running north-south.
07:00:35 It is located to the west of the subject site.
07:00:39 Or the left side there.
07:00:40 While the main corridors contain many office and light
07:00:43 commercial uses, the neighborhood remains mostly
07:00:45 single-family detached in character, with some scattered
07:00:49 duplexes and multifamily.
07:00:51 To the east of the subject site, we can see the historic Lee
07:00:55 elementary school.
07:00:56 Onto the future land use map, the subject site has two
07:01:01 future land use designations, the smaller northern portion
07:01:04 is designated the community commercial 35, which is that red
07:01:09 The larger southern portion of the subject site is
07:01:12 designated residential 35.
07:01:15 Batan to the north of east Columbus drive is the residential
07:01:21 10 land use category.
07:01:23 Overall Planning Commission staff finds the proposed
07:01:25 rezoning to the RS-50 zoning district would be more in
07:01:29 keeping with the overall development pattern within this
07:01:33 area of Tampa Heights.
07:01:34 The rezoning would eliminate the possibility of a stand
07:01:37 alone commercial intensive use located on a local
07:01:40 residential street.
07:01:42 The rezoning would also support redevelopment opportunities
07:01:45 within the Tampa Heights urban village.
07:01:47 Therefore based on those findings and the goals, objectives
07:01:50 and policies of the comprehensive plan, Planning Commission
07:01:52 staff finds the rezoning request consistent with the Tampa
07:01:56 comprehensive plan.
07:01:56 >> Thanks, David.
07:02:08 2406 north Morgan street.
07:02:10 And it is a request from CI to RS-50, and this request is in
07:02:15 combination with some relocation of the Metropolitan
07:02:19 Ministries doing off of Amelia, for Tampa's expansion that's
07:02:24 taking place on their Florida Avenue campus.
07:02:28 There are three houses over there.
07:02:29 Those three houses are going to be relocated onto Morgan.
07:02:32 Two of the lots that are seeking relocation are already in
07:02:36 This is the northernmost of those three.
07:02:38 And it is zoned CI.
07:02:40 Which is kind of interesting on a local street.
07:02:43 So the request before you tonight -- and single-family
07:02:46 residential is actually allowed in the CI when it's under a
07:02:50 special use.
07:02:50 So when Mr. Gardner came and we discussed the property, it
07:02:54 seemed to put it back to an RS-50 to allow these three homes
07:02:57 to be located there, and for the criteria really to be a
07:03:02 residential criteria versus a special use criteria in the CI
07:03:07 The lot is 5220 square feet, so it does meet the minimum lot
07:03:12 area, and it is currently vacant.
07:03:15 In my report, I mentioned to you that last night, this case
07:03:20 was going to be heard by the ARC for a recommendation on the
07:03:23 rezoning, where they were last night, and the case was
07:03:26 recommended for approval for the rezoning for the CI to the
07:03:37 I will show you the site.
07:03:38 >> As you can see the two that I just mentioned to the south
07:03:48 are RS-50.
07:03:49 There is a large amount of RM.
07:03:52 There is also the CI to the north and CG along Columbus.
07:04:05 This is, I think, Robert E. Lee elementary is located just
07:04:09 to the north, east of the site.
07:04:14 I'll go ahead and show you some photos.
07:04:17 There's the aerial.
07:04:19 You can see commercial over on Florida Avenue.
07:04:22 There is a commercial use just at the corner of Morgan and
07:04:28 These sites are currently vacant.
07:04:29 There is some residential multifamily, and then as I
07:04:33 mentioned, this.
07:04:37 Here is the site.
07:04:43 Another picture of this site.
07:04:45 This is commercial north of the site.
07:04:48 These are the two lots south of the site.
07:04:52 This is the northwest corner of Amelia and Morgan.
07:04:58 The property at the southwest corner of Amelia.
07:05:03 This is actually the rear of the property, what comes back
07:05:10 behind the vacant residential pieces.
07:05:14 This is a view of Morgan.
07:05:17 And there is the elementary school, Robert E. Lee
07:05:22 And this is also east of the site on Morgan street.
07:05:27 The proposed lot does meet the minimum standard for
07:05:32 consideration as an RS-50.
07:05:35 Staff does find the request for this rezoning from the CI to
07:05:39 the RS-50 consistent with the Land Development Code.
07:05:43 Thank you.
07:05:50 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Petitioner.
07:05:50 >> Truett Gardner, on behalf of Metropolitan Ministries,
07:05:54 going all the way from one side of the spectrum the most
07:05:58 intensive to CI.
07:06:02 One, from historic preservation point, this house will move,
07:06:06 it's currently sandwiched in between Florida Avenue and
07:06:09 Matanzas street, face it is back end of a family dollar and
07:06:14 moving to a residential street facing a beautiful school, so
07:06:18 that's one side.
07:06:19 The second is it will actually be in front of you next week.
07:06:22 This is Metropolitan Ministries plan for joint venture
07:06:25 school between it and the school board, which will benefit
07:06:30 their children, and we will be back with more, but we are
07:06:35 requesting your approval on this request.
07:06:38 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Any questions by council members at this
07:06:41 Anyone in the audience care to speak on item number 7?
07:06:48 I have a motion to close by Mr. Reddick.
07:06:50 Seconded by Mrs. Montelione.
07:06:51 All in favor of the motion to close?
07:06:54 Opposed nay?
07:06:55 The ayes have it unanimously.
07:06:56 Mrs. Capin, would you kindly take number 7, please, for
07:06:59 first reading?
07:07:03 >>YVONNE CAPIN: An ordinance being presented for first
07:07:05 reading and consideration, an ordinance rezoning property in
07:07:08 the general vicinity of 2406 north Morgan street in the city
07:07:13 of Tampa, Florida and more particularly described in section
07:07:16 1 from zoning district classification CI commercial
07:07:20 intensive to RS-50 residential single-family, providing an
07:07:24 effective date.
07:07:26 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion by Mrs. Capin, a second
07:07:28 by Mr. Suarez.
07:07:29 Further discussion by council members?
07:07:30 All in favor of the motion indicate by saying aye.
07:07:33 Opposed nay. The ayes have it unanimously.
07:07:35 >>THE CLERK: Mr. Chair, the second hearing will be held on
07:07:39 June 5th, 2014 at 9:30 a.m.
07:07:44 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Okay.
07:07:45 Item number 8.
07:07:45 >>ABBYE FEELEY: Land Development Coordination.
07:07:52 Item number 8 on your agenda this evening is REZ-14-10
07:07:57 located at 1725 West Kennedy Boulevard and 1718 west North
07:08:02 "A" street.
07:08:03 Many of you are familiar with this property.
07:08:05 It's the building on the north side of Kennedy. The request
07:08:11 before you tonight is from PD to PD to allow for the
07:08:14 addition of some additional uses to the property including
07:08:18 office medical, research facility, laboratory, medical and
07:08:22 dental, and/or a walk-in bank.
07:08:25 >> Good evening.
07:08:30 David Hay again with your Planning Commission staff.
07:08:33 I have been sworn.
07:08:34 We continue our cases in the central Tampa planning district
07:08:39 located at the northeast corner of West Kennedy Boulevard
07:08:42 and north freedom Avenue.
07:08:44 The subject site is located within the boundaries of the
07:08:47 North Hyde Park neighborhood.
07:08:49 The site is also located right along Kennedy Boulevard,
07:08:53 which is designated as a transit emphasis corridor, and
07:08:57 heart's route 33rd connecting down to Westshore business
07:09:02 Onto the aerial.
07:09:06 The subject site from the center.
07:09:09 You can see the commercial uses lining Kennedy Boulevard.
07:09:13 The vacant lot right here.
07:09:15 Aerial is a little dated.
07:09:17 That's the primrose school.
07:09:21 Also, the surrounding residential development pattern,
07:09:25 especially to the south, has been changing over the past 20,
07:09:29 30 years as more of the houses are replaced with
07:09:32 single-family attached, or multifamily residential.
07:09:36 Be next, onto the future land use map.
07:09:41 The southern portion of the site and all parcels east and
07:09:44 west fronting along Kennedy Boulevard are all designated
07:09:48 urban mixed using 60.
07:09:49 If northern portion where the parking lot is, and all the
07:09:54 properties located along west North "A" Street all are
07:09:58 designated residential 35 future land use category.
07:10:01 The remaining brown color located along north "B" street,
07:10:06 which is probably off the map, since it's zoomed in, those
07:10:10 are all residential 20.
07:10:15 Properties located east of the subject site centered around
07:10:18 north Rome Avenue are designated general mixed use 24, which
07:10:23 is over there.
07:10:24 Overall, planning commission staff found the proposed
07:10:27 addition of medical office, laboratory, research facility
07:10:30 and bank, would be in keeping with the commercial uses that
07:10:33 are located along this portion of West Kennedy Boulevard.
07:10:37 No structural changes are proposed to the existing
07:10:39 structures, so no negative impacts are envisioned with
07:10:41 proposed additional uses.
07:10:43 Therefore, based on those findings and the goals, objectives
07:10:45 and policies of the comprehensive plan, Planning Commission
07:10:48 staff finds the rezoning request consistent with the Tampa
07:10:51 comprehensive plan.
07:10:52 >>ABBYE FEELEY: Land Development Coordination.
07:11:00 Do need to make one correction to my staff report.
07:11:03 There is a waiver that is missing.
07:11:04 There's one waiver related to this request, and this is to
07:11:08 reduce the parking from 122 spaces to 82 spaces.
07:11:13 The existing building was constructed under the current PD
07:11:17 at a general office rate.
07:11:19 The request before you tonight is to allow for medical,
07:11:22 which is a more intensive office use and requires more
07:11:27 So the waiver is from 122 to 82 which is a 33% reduction.
07:11:34 And transportation staff is finding that request, that
07:11:37 waiver request, inconsistent with the application.
07:11:44 Let me go ahead and make the rest of my presentation.
07:11:47 As I mentioned to you, this is to allow alternative uses of
07:11:51 the existing structure.
07:11:53 They are not seeking to increase square footage within the
07:11:55 building at all.
07:11:56 So everything is as built today.
07:12:00 In 2004, this was rezoned for a planned development for
07:12:07 58,820 square feet of business professional office with a
07:12:12 structured garage to be located on the back.
07:12:15 In December of 2004, substantial change was done to reduce
07:12:19 the overall building square footage, and to take the parking
07:12:24 and allow that to be surface parking.
07:12:27 The subject application, what was built was 28,000 square
07:12:33 feet, and they are asking tonight to allow for alternative
07:12:37 uses to occupy a portion of that.
07:12:40 10,950 square feet would be the maximum for use as either
07:12:45 medical office research facility, laboratory, medical
07:12:50 dental, or a walk-in bank or a combination thereof.
07:12:57 As David showed you, the property is located at the corner,
07:13:01 northeast corner of Fremont and John F. Kennedy, shown there
07:13:06 in the PD.
07:13:08 There is a PD to the west done in 2003.
07:13:11 That was never constructed.
07:13:12 I'll show you that's a vacant piece.
07:13:14 PD to the south, you recently rezoned the Walker building to
07:13:20 make some additions and modifications that was just a few
07:13:22 months ago.
07:13:25 And you have other CG and PD use as long John F. Kennedy
07:13:29 including CI uses over to the east as you head towards
07:13:37 An aerial of the site.
07:13:39 Kennedy to the south.
07:13:40 Freedom to the west.
07:13:42 North "A."
07:13:43 Most recently another development right here, Ducky's, and
07:13:47 also this part, this piece to the east of the existing
07:13:50 parking for the trust building was improved as a parking lot
07:13:56 through special use, that this council approved just
07:13:59 probably a little bit over a year ago.
07:14:01 I remember doing that case with you as well.
07:14:04 I will go ahead and show you some pictures of the site.
07:14:11 You will look from Kennedy.
07:14:15 And this is the west side of Fremont.
07:14:20 Headed north on Fremont.
07:14:22 This is entering the parking area.
07:14:25 This was a Wednesday morning.
07:14:26 You can see parking wasn't much of an issue.
07:14:31 There was plenty of vacant parking in the lot.
07:14:34 82 spaces that are available.
07:14:37 Here is the property to the west.
07:14:39 At the northwest corner of Fremont and Kennedy.
07:14:43 And this is looking west toward Westshore down Kennedy.
07:14:51 This is continuing up Fremont toward North "A" on the west
07:14:57 This is looking east on Kennedy.
07:15:01 This is a view from North "A" looking back toward the
07:15:05 building and the parking area.
07:15:08 This is the Ducky's parking lot for North "A."
07:15:12 And these are some of the single-family residential, some of
07:15:18 them occupied, most not occupied along North "A."
07:15:24 Immediately across the street across Kennedy, at the
07:15:26 southwest corner of Kennedy and Fremont, looking west on
07:15:31 Kennedy, and then another view from the corner of Fremont
07:15:35 and Kennedy.
07:15:38 As I mentioned, the transportation divisions that have a
07:15:42 finding of inconsistency related to the parking waiver, that
07:15:47 has been requested.
07:15:49 They are present this evening.
07:15:51 The property does have the urban mixed use land use
07:15:55 It is along a primary transit corridor.
07:15:58 And it is located within the Kennedy overlay.
07:16:04 Should it be the pleasure of council to grant the parking
07:16:06 waiver this evening, there are no further modifications that
07:16:09 are required for this application to move forward to second
07:16:13 Thank you.
07:16:14 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
07:16:15 Any questions by council members at this time?
07:16:17 >> Good evening.
07:16:24 For the record, Sue Murphy, P&M Consulting, 501 West Euclid
07:16:29 Avenue here on behalf of the owner.
07:16:30 As Abbye and David so eloquently stated, the site is an
07:16:36 existing, very attractive office building, built to the
07:16:40 Kennedy overlay standards when it was built.
07:16:43 It is just outside the heart of downtown.
07:16:46 It is mixed use corridor.
07:16:49 It has -- we are trying to provide some flexibility in the
07:16:54 downstairs space which is a little less than 40% of the
07:16:58 entire rentable leasable area.
07:17:00 The Solomon law group occupies the upper floors of the
07:17:04 And they just want to have some flexibility for renting the
07:17:07 downstairs space.
07:17:08 So we are looking at about 39% of the total square footage
07:17:13 that's even under discussion tonight.
07:17:15 There is a bus stop right in front of the site.
07:17:18 It is on a primary transit corridor.
07:17:20 We have the parking lot picture that Abbye showed you is --
07:17:24 I have been there many, many times and it's always been
07:17:26 during business hours, during the week.
07:17:28 And that is very typical of what the lot looks like.
07:17:32 I mean, it's usually considerably less than half full.
07:17:36 There's also on-street parking on both sides of Fremont
07:17:40 along "A" there.
07:17:42 It becomes restricted when you get into the residential
07:17:45 area, the on-street parking.
07:17:46 So we feel like we have plenty of adequate parking for the
07:17:52 We like to provide some more economic generation in there
07:17:56 association flexibility, to meet the needs of the community,
07:17:59 and to keep the building vibrant.
07:18:02 I would be happy to answer any questions you have or any
07:18:06 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Any questions by council members?
07:18:10 Well, public hearing.
07:18:11 Anyone in the public care to speak on this item, REZ-14-10?
07:18:17 I see no one.
07:18:21 Ms. Mulhern?
07:18:22 >>MARY MULHERN: I had a question for Abbye.
07:18:29 It might be transportation.
07:18:31 But given that the change of use is only going to be for
07:18:40 half of the space, is that taken into account when you talk
07:18:45 about the parking?
07:18:47 >>ABBYE FEELEY: Land development.
07:18:48 We did work case scenario based on the split that they want
07:18:51 to provide with the 10,000 at the medical and the remaining
07:18:57 as a business professional and that's how we got to 122 and
07:19:01 given that it's as bullet situation there's only 82 --
07:19:07 >>MARY MULHERN: Okay, thanks.
07:19:08 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Motion to close by Mrs. Montelione.
07:19:10 Second by Mr. Reddick.
07:19:11 All in favor of the motion to close?
07:19:14 The ayes have it unanimously.
07:19:15 Mr. Suarez, would you kindly take number 8, please?
07:19:18 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I present an ordinance for first reading
07:19:20 consideration, an ordinance rezoning property in the general
07:19:23 vicinity of 12725 west denied Boulevard and 171 west North
07:19:28 "A" Street in the city of Tampa, Florida and more
07:19:31 particularly described in section 1, from zoning district
07:19:33 classification PD planned development, office, business,
07:19:37 professional, to PD, planned development, office, business
07:19:40 professional and medical, research facility, laboratory,
07:19:43 medical and dental, and/or bank walk-in providing an
07:19:48 effective date.
07:19:49 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion by Mr. Suarez.
07:19:50 Second by Mr. Cohen.
07:19:51 Further discussion by council members?
07:19:53 All in favor of the motion?
07:19:55 The ayes have it unanimously.
07:19:57 >>THE CLERK: Mr. Chairman, the second reading will be held
07:20:00 on June 5th, 2014 at 9:30 a.m.
07:20:06 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Okay.
07:20:06 Item number 9.
07:20:07 >>ABBYE FEELEY: Land development.
07:20:09 The final item on your agenda tonight is item number 9.
07:20:12 It's SU-2-14-06 and it is located at 3616 and 3620 west Bay
07:20:21 to Bay Boulevard.
07:20:23 The request before you tonight for consideration is a
07:20:27 >>David Hay: Good evening.
07:20:34 David Hay with your Planning Commission staff.
07:20:36 You have been sworn.
07:20:39 We end this evening down in the South Tampa planning
07:20:42 The subject site is located on the south side of Bay to Bay
07:20:45 Boulevard between south Himes Avenue and south Sterling
07:20:49 Avenue in the Virginia park neighborhood.
07:20:53 Onto the aerial, the subject site is in the center.
07:20:57 This portion of Bay to Bay Boulevard including the
07:20:59 neighborhoods to the north and south remain single-family
07:21:02 detached residential in character, with some residential
07:21:05 support uses scattered throughout.
07:21:10 To the future land use map, the subject site and properties
07:21:14 located to the east and west along Bay to Bay Boulevard are
07:21:18 all designated residential 10.
07:21:20 The arc darker pink further east of the subject site is some
07:21:24 of the community commercial 35.
07:21:26 The brown is the residential 20 and the yellow is the
07:21:29 residential 6.
07:21:33 The Planning Commission staff found that the proposed
07:21:35 special use request for daycare with a maximum of 90
07:21:39 children would be in keeping with the residential and
07:21:41 residential support uses found within this portion of Bay to
07:21:44 Bay Boulevard.
07:21:49 If it is previously buffered and screened, the use should
07:21:52 not pose any negative effects on adjacent residential use.
07:21:56 Therefore Planning Commission staff did find the special use
07:21:58 request consistent with the Tampa comprehensive plan.
07:22:00 >>HARRY COHEN: How many was the maximum number of children
07:22:05 that you said?
07:22:06 >> 90.
07:22:08 >> Nine?
07:22:09 >> Nine zero.
07:22:14 >> Thank you, David.
07:22:19 The request before you tonight -- Abbye Feeley, land
07:22:26 3616 and 3620 Bay to Bay for a daycare, there are two
07:22:29 existing structures on the property.
07:22:32 The request, one is currently a place of religious assembly
07:22:36 that has been in operation for a while.
07:22:38 The other is a single-family residential structure on the
07:22:42 western portion.
07:22:44 There is also a proposed 800 square foot building that would
07:22:48 go in between the two.
07:22:52 The subject property is surrounded by single-family
07:22:55 The total of 12 parking spaces are required, and 16 spaces
07:22:59 are being provided with a circular drive-through along Bay
07:23:02 to Bay for a drop-off and pickup queuing area.
07:23:12 Let me go ahead and show you.
07:23:14 The subject is shown in green.
07:23:16 Bay to Bay to the north.
07:23:18 Sterling to the west.
07:23:19 Himes to the east.
07:23:21 As I mentioned, the one portion is a place of religious
07:23:26 The other is a house.
07:23:28 You do have Palma Ceia Methodist at the intersection of Dale
07:23:33 You also have several offices to the west.
07:23:40 This PD here, there's a congregate living facility.
07:23:43 The PD is Abdoney medical, dental, orthodontic which is a PD
07:23:50 that was approved by council three or four years ago.
07:23:56 To show you an aerial of this site.
07:24:02 A little zoomed out there.
07:24:03 You can see the other surrounding uses, single-family
07:24:07 residential, predominantly in this block face, and then some
07:24:11 alternative, nonresidential uses.
07:24:14 This does not include the recent construction that was
07:24:17 completed at Himes and Bay to Bay.
07:24:21 The picture of the subject property, this is the eastern
07:24:26 This is the western portion.
07:24:31 This is the property immediately to the west.
07:24:34 At the corner of Sterling and Bay to Bay.
07:24:40 This is moving west.
07:24:46 Toward Dale Mabry.
07:24:49 This is to the east.
07:24:52 Also to the east.
07:24:53 Bay to Bay.
07:24:54 It's a little difficult to get some of these shots in
07:24:59 Some of them aren't very zoomed in. Here is on the northern
07:25:03 portion directly across the street.
07:25:06 This towards Dale Mabry.
07:25:10 And the northeast corner of Sterling and Bay to Bay.
07:25:22 There are a couple of site modifications that need to be
07:25:31 made between first and second reading.
07:25:33 There are some notes on the site plan.
07:25:34 There is a note that says they will remove the existing 326
07:25:38 square feet cover that's located in the middle of Bay to Bay
07:25:42 I think it's a note that just was left on the plan, and
07:25:45 wasn't cleared up.
07:25:47 They also need to provide the total square footage for each
07:25:49 building both existing and proposed on the site as well as
07:25:52 the total combined square footage.
07:25:55 Transportation has modifications.
07:25:57 They do need a waiver to allow the drive aisle width from 24
07:26:01 to 23 feet.
07:26:03 And they found it inconsistent because the throat of the
07:26:11 driveway needs to be 15 feet.
07:26:12 It's currently showing 22.36789 so the service driveway is
07:26:16 the too large.
07:26:16 They need to be taken into 15 feet.
07:26:19 Jonathan Scott is here for those comments.
07:26:23 Solid waste has some site plan modifications.
07:26:26 There are notations outlined on page 3.
07:26:30 All of these revisions I am discussing with you are on the
07:26:33 revision sheet which is the last page to report.
07:26:38 Lastly, there are two criteria that follow with the special
07:26:46 use for the daycare.
07:26:48 The first is adequate drop-off and pickup area is available.
07:26:53 And the site plan does show a queuing along Bay to Bay to
07:27:00 allow for drop-off and pickup.
07:27:02 And then also that you have direct access to an arterial or
07:27:06 collector, and Bay to Bay is an arterial roadway.
07:27:11 So both of the special use criteria have been satisfied.
07:27:15 No waivers are being requested for that.
07:27:16 Staff did find the request consistent.
07:27:20 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
07:27:20 Any questions at this time?
07:27:22 >> David Smith, 401 East Jackson Street, 33601.
07:27:34 Land use consultant for the law firm for the applicant.
07:27:37 Abbye has described the request as always fairly well.
07:27:41 It is two existing structures that are being proposed to be
07:27:46 developed, utilized for daycare.
07:27:49 Daycare is a residential support use, typically it's
07:27:52 preferred to be in close proximity to residential areas.
07:27:56 This site is currently occupied, partially by a church,
07:27:59 which the parking lot for that church is incorporated into
07:28:02 the site plan.
07:28:04 I would like to show you some changes that we propose
07:28:09 between first and second reading, and I have a change list
07:28:14 for you.
07:28:18 I'll hand that out.
07:28:41 While you are looking at that.
07:28:43 Essentially in evaluating the site further, we determined
07:28:46 that 800 square foot addition would not be required.
07:28:49 That was going to be placed between the two structures that
07:28:54 exist on this site.
07:28:55 The church site, and the existing single-family homes.
07:29:00 Essentially, on the site plan, that you have before you, in
07:29:05 your package, I basically X'ed out that building.
07:29:10 Essentially what that does -- I'll provide graphics for you.
07:29:16 Essentially that allows us to have this entire area as green
07:29:20 space without the additional square footage.
07:29:22 What is shown on this graphic is the area that is fenced for
07:29:27 the play area, the buffer, the ten foot buffer that's
07:29:29 required by code, the existing parking area that's
07:29:33 incorporated from the church into the site plan, parking
07:29:36 spaces, handicapped, and tree spaces in front of the
07:29:42 It's a one-way drive so they would ingress from the west.
07:29:47 They would travel in front of the building.
07:29:51 The staff would meet the parents dropping off children,
07:29:56 bringing the children inside.
07:29:58 Similar reverse operation when they are picking up.
07:30:01 They would meet the people coming in to pick up their kids.
07:30:05 They would then take them to the car, and they would exit.
07:30:10 This parking lot is two-way entrance in order for solid
07:30:13 waste and also staff parking.
07:30:15 The waiver is really related to the parking space so they
07:30:21 could back up.
07:30:21 They normally require 24 feet.
07:30:23 We are looking at 23 feet on-site to accommodate.
07:30:26 That essentially the other changes that I have listed on
07:30:28 your sheet all relate to the fact that this building is
07:30:32 going to be removed and we recessed the space for the
07:30:38 The dumpster is approximately six feet over to this
07:30:42 There's a little concrete pad that would be removed.
07:30:46 And essentially the bike rack is moved to the front.
07:30:50 Those are the changes that are reflect on your list that we
07:30:53 would make between first and second reading, in addition to
07:30:56 all the notes requested by staff.
07:30:58 We do not have any problems with any of the notes or
07:31:01 comments made by staff.
07:31:02 And incorporated into the site plan.
07:31:06 Looking at the criteria for the special use approval is that
07:31:11 it's compatible and consistent and will promote the health,
07:31:15 safety and welfare of the public.
07:31:18 This is going to be a be Montessori school.
07:31:21 There is lack of Montessori school in the southern part of
07:31:25 the City of Tampa.
07:31:26 There's also kind of an absence of daycare.
07:31:31 We are located on Bay to Bay.
07:31:33 We are kind of forced to go to these types of locations
07:31:37 because of the criteria for locations of these types of
07:31:40 Also, in order to accommodate daycare.
07:31:46 We are looking at 90 children as a maximum.
07:31:49 As you know, child care licensing is regulated in
07:31:51 Hillsborough County.
07:31:52 They have specific ratios that must be met.
07:31:55 So that is the maximum student count.
07:31:57 And the staffing is also related to the age groups that are
07:31:59 anticipated to come on-site, which would be 12 employees.
07:32:03 One correction to have Sarasota -- to the staff report.
07:32:08 I believe early on there was 16 space bus due to
07:32:11 configuration there's only 13 spaces, which is still one in
07:32:14 excess of the code requirement.
07:32:16 Be we know that there are concerns raised by citizens.
07:32:20 We did have a neighborhood meeting April 24th to give an
07:32:25 opportunity for citizens to voice concerns, and hear how the
07:32:28 operations were going to be performed.
07:32:31 And I would just like to point out that we didn't come to
07:32:37 total agreement on all those issues.
07:32:39 But this facility is only going to be operating during the
07:32:43 It will operate during the business hours, essentially seven
07:32:49 to six.
07:32:50 Our experience has been in north Tampa, and north of
07:32:53 Hillsborough County with similar Montessori schools of
07:32:56 similar size, that drop-offs usually range from seven to
07:33:02 nine a.m. in the morning and then from about 1:206 p.m.,
07:33:08 because some are after school programs, people get off work
07:33:11 at different times, and be it allows for not all the
07:33:15 children to be and all the parents to be there picking up
07:33:18 children all at the same time.
07:33:21 We believe that this use, because it meets all the criteria,
07:33:26 it meets all the setbacks required, it's not asking for any
07:33:30 waiver other than the drive aisle which is a customer waiver
07:33:33 in existing sites.
07:33:35 But this is compatible with the surrounding neighborhood,
07:33:39 and would be a great addition to the community.
07:33:41 I do have some additional photos for your consideration,
07:33:50 just to view.
07:33:57 This is a picture of the house that's being incorporated
07:34:06 into the site.
07:34:09 This is moving east.
07:34:12 It shows the existing church.
07:34:14 What would happen is this area right in front of these two
07:34:17 buildings would become the drive aisle, and they would come
07:34:20 in from the west and they would access on the east.
07:34:23 Here is a picture of the existing parking lot adjacent to
07:34:26 the existing church facility.
07:34:30 On the backside of the property, there are very nice
07:34:34 existing homes, bungalow homes, a mixture of some newer
07:34:44 Some of the houses coming from, I believe, the west moving
07:34:47 back to the east.
07:34:53 And while these are asked to be removed we believe the use
07:35:07 is compatible, daycares compatible with residential
07:35:11 neighborhoods since they have been in business.
07:35:15 We would be glad to answer any questions from the council.
07:35:18 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Mr. Cohen.
07:35:19 >> Also anybody from the community.
07:35:20 >>HARRY COHEN: You know, 90 kids, what struck me in looking
07:35:27 at your site plan is the queuing.
07:35:31 And my imagination that if more than three or four cars are
07:35:39 there at any one time they are going to be out on Bay to
07:35:41 Bay, and that traffic is going to get backed up on Bay to
07:35:46 I understand what you said about the staggered drop-off and
07:35:49 pickup times.
07:35:50 But my experience has been that all over this particular
07:35:57 neighborhood, there are schools that have queuing lines that
07:36:01 stretch right out into the middle of the street and tie up
07:36:06 And that's just my concern looking at the plan that you
07:36:12 >> Yes, sir.
07:36:15 I think the difference between daycare operation and a
07:36:19 traditional school is that they get out at a certain time,
07:36:25 and they come in at a certain time, and everybody comes at
07:36:28 that time to pick up their children or drop off their
07:36:31 children for school.
07:36:33 And so the school starts at 8:00 or 7:30 or 9:00 and getting
07:36:39 out at 2:30 or 3 and the parents start lining up at 1:20,
07:36:43 and that is customary.
07:36:46 I think you observed what I have observed throughout the
07:36:49 But I haven't observed that same situation in daycares.
07:36:53 And daycare operations, because of the elongated drop-off,
07:36:57 you know, everybody is not dropping their children off at
07:36:59 the same time.
07:37:00 Everybody doesn't have to have their kids there in the door
07:37:04 at a certain time.
07:37:05 And with the operation that we have with the -- I won't call
07:37:10 it valet service, but the front door service, people come
07:37:16 up, the children get out, the car leaves, the child goes
07:37:20 into the facility, and similarly, in the evenings, and the
07:37:25 late afternoons when they are coming to pick up their
07:37:29 We believe the queuing is adequate.
07:37:31 We do have more than enough space for, if I look at it, we
07:37:35 have our engineer here, he can give you the exact
07:37:40 But looking at the space in front, we have the -- five or
07:37:49 six cars to be in the queue and existing, and they will be
07:37:57 dropping off in reign I am order as the kids get out of the
07:38:04 Will I tell you there will never be one person waiting to
07:38:07 make a right hand turn or left?
07:38:11 But I can tell you today that that condition exists all up
07:38:15 Bay to Bay because in con "stand your ground" facilities you
07:38:18 aren't going to have a lot of turn lanes in the facility.
07:38:20 But I don't believe it's the same experience that you have
07:38:22 at schools in this operation.
07:38:30 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Mrs. Mulhern.
07:38:31 >>MARY MULHERN: Yeah, I beg to differ with you about the
07:38:36 difference between daycare and schools, especially since you
07:38:39 have told us this is going to be a Montessori school, but I
07:38:47 also think that, you know, even if it is just daycare,
07:38:51 generally people are working, you know, 8:00, 8:30, 9:00 to
07:38:59 So I think you are optimistic.
07:39:01 I don't know that, you know, that means, you know, you
07:39:06 shouldn't be able to -- I know because I spent 20 years pick
07:39:12 up and dropping off kids from school and daycare that it
07:39:19 does end up to be a lot of queuing happening.
07:39:24 And, you know, it is going to be pretty much rush hour,
07:39:31 When you are going to have that.
07:39:32 >> Well, we can't do a --
07:39:38 >>MARY MULHERN: Let me -- well, then you can tell me what
07:39:41 you think.
07:39:43 But it also tends to be, you know, side streets where the
07:39:49 drop-offs and pickups are.
07:39:52 Just as Bay to Bay is a pretty busy street, you know, so the
07:39:56 difference between the schools and daycare is even when it's
07:40:01 home daycare that I have had the experience with is usually
07:40:06 they are not on a busy street like that where having some,
07:40:11 you know, people necessarily to pull over on the side of the
07:40:16 road is going to make that much of a difference.
07:40:20 I mean, I know it's two lanes each way on Bay to Bay, right?
07:40:24 >> Yes, ma'am.
07:40:29 May I tans question?
07:40:32 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Yes, sir.
07:40:32 >> Obviously we don't have an exact traffic study for this
07:40:36 particular site because it's not developed yet.
07:40:38 But we can go off of our similar size facility in north
07:40:42 Tampa that is on a two-lane road which is even more
07:40:47 constrained with respect to stopping traffic or left turns.
07:40:50 And essentially, found during the drop-off hours, there's
07:40:56 been five to seven people coming in at one time, and we have
07:41:02 stacking that can accommodate that type of volume.
07:41:07 I can't a sure you that that's the case, but our experience
07:41:11 with the other facility, that that's the type of volume we
07:41:14 have had during those pick-up and drop-off peak hours and in
07:41:20 the afternoon, and it's more spread out because of the
07:41:23 school programs when they come in and when they let out.
07:41:25 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you, chair.
07:41:30 Let me ask a question.
07:41:31 Before I ask you a question, sir, could I ask a question of
07:41:34 Mrs. Feeley?
07:41:37 For zoning purposes, is there a difference between a school
07:41:40 and a daycare?
07:41:41 >>ABBYE FEELEY: Yes.
07:41:44 Abbye Feeley, land development.
07:41:47 The preschool, there is -- is not considered a school per
07:41:57 the definition of school.
07:41:59 That is why it is labeled as daycare.
07:42:00 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Okay.
07:42:03 >> I don't know if you remember when we did branch academy
07:42:06 on Azeele and Gomez, although it was a prekindergarten, and
07:42:12 had a school curriculum for the definition, it cannot be
07:42:16 considered that way, so --
07:42:18 >> Is there a limitation in age?
07:42:20 Is that how we delineate it?
07:42:24 >> Part of it has to do with the licensing that the facility
07:42:27 will receive from the state, or from the county.
07:42:31 And because they would be licensed as a daycare we like to
07:42:35 make sure that we handle it that way as well.
07:42:38 More consistent.
07:42:38 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you.
07:42:40 Sir, let me ask you a question then.
07:42:42 You mention that there's going to be 90 children there.
07:42:44 You keep using Montessori and daycare kind of, you know,
07:42:49 unit changeably.
07:42:50 What are we talking about?
07:42:52 What exactly is it?
07:42:53 >> Well, the facility will not be licensed as a school.
07:42:56 Montessori school is a way of basically teaching.
07:43:01 It's a method.
07:43:03 And it's not --
07:43:04 >> I am familiar with it.
07:43:05 My children went to a Montessori --
07:43:08 >> So it is not a school under the -- it's a daycare
07:43:11 operation, will be licensed through the daycare,
07:43:14 Hillsborough County daycare licensing program.
07:43:16 >> Is there a limitation in terms of age, the audiology of
07:43:19 kids that are there?
07:43:20 >> I can have the client --
07:43:25 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Sure.
07:43:26 If you check that real quick.
07:43:27 >> Absolutely.
07:43:30 >> Andrew Webber, I'm the applicant, 3005 p Santa Pedro
07:43:38 street in Palma Ceia.
07:43:40 The ages are infants through six years old.
07:43:43 And David is essentially using the term school.
07:43:48 Technically we are not a school.
07:43:50 Sounds better than child care center but we aren't going to
07:43:52 be offering services in excess of six years old.
07:43:55 >> I don't want to get into your marketing plans in terms of
07:43:58 why you call it Montessori as opposed to daycare.
07:44:00 I want to make sure because I know there are some
07:44:02 distinctions for us for our purposes, and what we call
07:44:06 So I needed to make sure that we were right in terms of what
07:44:10 you were doing.
07:44:10 >> Yes, sir.
07:44:12 It is a child care.
07:44:13 >> Thank you.
07:44:16 You say the top end will be 90 children.
07:44:19 And we have got -- how many people are you talking about
07:44:25 employed then?
07:44:27 >> 12.
07:44:29 It's based upon a staffing ratio.
07:44:31 >> Right.
07:44:31 The county has a staffing ratio based on -- is it five --
07:44:35 >> Five individuals at the expected audiology range of the
07:44:40 I have in here, if I can find it, the calculation that was
07:44:42 done by the petitioner to determine that.
07:44:54 Based upon the expected age ranges, age range is based upon
07:45:07 If it goes from infant to five --
07:45:11 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Move it a little to your right.
07:45:14 No, the other way, your left.
07:45:16 There you go.
07:45:16 >> I'm left-handed.
07:45:18 >>MIKE SUAREZ: So we are looking at this is what your
07:45:24 expected number of children are going to be for this
07:45:27 particular school are?
07:45:28 >> Based upon the ratios that are projected, and obviously
07:45:32 these ratios could go up or down in the particular age
07:45:36 class, but we have a projected 12 that are actually here, 12
07:45:43 maximum, eleven plus the director for the facility.
07:45:48 And we have 13 spaces required on-site for employee parking.
07:45:54 >> And this ratio is based on what the county requires in
07:45:57 terms of staffing, correct?
07:45:59 >> I will let the professional answer the question.
07:46:04 >>MIKE SUAREZ: No problem.
07:46:06 >> Andrew Webber again, 3005 Santa Pedra street.
07:46:12 The answer is yes according to the Hillsborough County child
07:46:14 care license.
07:46:16 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Okay.
07:46:18 Thank you, sir.
07:46:19 I appreciate it.
07:46:19 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Thank you, sir.
07:46:24 I just have to echo the sentiments of my colleagues.
07:46:29 I think that some of the for reviewing section 27-129 would
07:46:41 be ingress and egress, and the queuing for dropping off and
07:46:48 picking up.
07:46:50 Could you say there was going to be no stacking, making a
07:46:54 left-hand turn into the facility, you couldn't say it wasn't
07:46:59 going to be.
07:47:02 With that many parents dropping off children, I think even
07:47:08 daycares are a little more difficult than schools, because
07:47:12 schools, the kids jump out and they run away into the
07:47:17 But in daycare, you have to get out, you have to get them
07:47:22 out of the car seat, you have to get them in.
07:47:24 It takes a little bit longer for each person to get through
07:47:29 that queue.
07:47:33 And the space, the drive, I don't have a problem with the
07:47:38 waiver, the one-foot.
07:47:42 How many cars -- it's too bad we don't have a
07:47:47 transportation -- Jonathan Scott is here.
07:47:49 >> We do have transportation here.
07:47:50 >> Well, he's sitting right behind you.
07:47:53 >> Staff has reviewed the plan and did not have an objection
07:47:58 to the queuing and the stacking for the facility.
07:48:04 You can let him answer that question.
07:48:07 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Let's have Jonathan come up here.
07:48:09 >> Jonathan Scott, transportation planning.
07:48:13 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Maybe you can explain to us how you came
07:48:15 to the conclusion that was consistent.
07:48:16 Because, you know, with 27-129-B-1, I don't see how that's
07:48:25 >> Basically just required to have a drop-off and pickup.
07:48:31 If you look at the site plan.
07:48:33 Let me put it on here.
07:48:54 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I think
07:48:54 What you are getting at, Mrs. Montelione, if you have 90
07:48:57 kids you are looking at a minimum of 45 cars, two children
07:49:02 per parenthood, or looking at 50 cars, 1.8.
07:49:06 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I have one child.
07:49:08 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'm not talking yours.
07:49:10 In your case it would be 90.
07:49:11 >>LISA MONTELIONE: He's 6'4" now.
07:49:18 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I understand. Yeah. Go on.
07:49:21 I'm sorry.
07:49:21 >> So basically you are going to have a car come in, a
07:49:26 couple park here, actually stack here, you have two more
07:49:32 It's pretty actually a pretty good layout, I think.
07:49:36 You have all these spaces down here.
07:49:40 So somebody could really --
07:49:44 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Yeah, but some of the spaces are going
07:49:46 to be for staff.
07:49:46 >> Sure.
07:49:48 >>LISA MONTELIONE: And again, you know, with the layout,
07:49:55 it's really showing the movement of traffic is where
07:50:02 drop-off is going to occur.
07:50:04 I don't know that a lot of people park and then carry their
07:50:10 child into, you know, or bring their child into the school.
07:50:17 Or into the daycare.
07:50:19 It's mostly, you know, just the flow-through traffic.
07:50:25 And the spaces, where is the staff going to park?
07:50:29 >> Two things.
07:50:40 I have seen a lot of daycares, and I have never seen one
07:50:42 with stacking for 45 cars.
07:50:45 And I have seen them with capacity --
07:50:47 >>LISA MONTELIONE: No, and I haven't either.
07:50:49 >> What we are saying is that this layout provides for
07:50:55 essentially a circular drop-off with parking for staff, plus
07:50:59 one extra space, and that there is adequate, based upon the
07:51:04 review of the transportation staff, they felt that given the
07:51:09 anticipated volume, that the stacking that we have in the
07:51:12 queuing for the drop-off was adequate for the size of the
07:51:15 facility, and that was given the fact that if there may be
07:51:21 45, Councilman Miranda's observation example, that this is
07:51:27 not going to be 45 at 7:00.
07:51:31 It's between 7:00 to 9:00, there may be 15 cars coming
07:51:37 through there in an hour on a cycle, and so they are spread
07:51:43 over the drop-off period.
07:51:47 And there is also, as I say, the staff meeting them, when
07:51:52 they are dropping them off, pick up the child, taking them
07:51:54 in, and then they drive off and go to work.
07:51:57 So that's the only observation or statement, that it has
07:52:01 been reviewed.
07:52:03 A better circulation pattern for drop-offs than I believe
07:52:07 you will find in most daycare centers that are already
07:52:09 approved in the city.
07:52:10 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Did you say where the other facility was
07:52:13 in north Tampa.
07:52:14 >> It's in northern Hillsborough County.
07:52:16 It's on north Rome.
07:52:20 All the way up towards -- almost to Fletcher.
07:52:27 And it's now 125 capacity facility.
07:52:30 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Thank you.
07:52:32 >> Yes, ma'am.
07:52:34 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Mrs. Mulhern.
07:52:35 >>MARY MULHERN: Thank you.
07:52:37 Sorry to belabor this, but we can all relate to it, or most
07:52:41 of us, or at least to waiting for that traffic to clear.
07:52:46 But it seems to me, especially if Councilwoman Montelione
07:52:52 said, with infants, you have got to have some parking.
07:52:58 I mean, I don't think too many parents are going to, you
07:53:04 know, with an infant, you are probably going to be taking
07:53:08 the child out of the car and bringing them in yourself.
07:53:13 And alternatively, you are going to have to have extra staff
07:53:19 to be able to be passing the babies out of the car into the
07:53:26 So I think -- I mean, I think it's great you have all that
07:53:30 green space there, but maybe what you need are some parking
07:53:34 >> Just an observation, with all due respect.
07:53:39 We exceed the parking required for the facility.
07:53:43 The code requirement is for drop-off, access and drop-off
07:53:48 and circulation, which we have provided, and staff has
07:53:51 indicated that there's an adequate queue on-site.
07:53:57 No disrespect, I'm just pointing out that we exceeded the
07:54:01 code in parking.
07:54:01 >>MARY MULHERN: You are not disrespecting me.
07:54:06 You are telling me that our staff is -- doesn't seem to be
07:54:10 looking at this as logically as it should be.
07:54:13 >> I'm not trying to get --
07:54:16 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I am not trying to get involved in the
07:54:18 conversation but what she's trying to address is not the 12
07:54:20 parking or 11 personnel and one director.
07:54:24 If those were available to the general public, I think you
07:54:28 would have a different outlook from what I hear from my
07:54:31 colleagues, because then you would have no stacking.
07:54:34 You could have the 15 that you are talking about, 12 could
07:54:37 park, let the kids out, coming in, a suction-year-old may
07:54:42 walk the wrong way and that's why they have got to be
07:54:45 escorted by what you say one of your employees or the
07:54:48 And if you are looking at 45 cars, two children per car, if
07:54:54 you are looking at, you know, 50 cars, 1.8.
07:54:57 If you are looking at 70 cars, 1.28 something.
07:55:01 I didn't calculate it all the way out.
07:55:03 But those are the things that you have to address.
07:55:06 And I would assume that you must be somewhere in the 80
07:55:09 percentile of the parking ratio or 80-something cars.
07:55:14 >> The only thing I was pointing out is what the code
07:55:16 requires --
07:55:17 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I understand.
07:55:18 I'm not arguing that point.
07:55:19 >> Yes, sir.
07:55:22 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Speaking the code is speaking
07:55:25 specifically to an item of all being well.
07:55:28 Not the childhood, not in different stages of society, just
07:55:33 here is what your building size is, here is what your land
07:55:36 is, that's what is required.
07:55:38 You are not looking at the complete use of the property.
07:55:41 You are looking at this is what it is.
07:55:44 That's my opinion of it.
07:55:45 >> May I ask a question?
07:55:48 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Just a second.
07:55:48 Mr. Cohen, and then you can ask your question.
07:55:50 >>HARRY COHEN: Well, I agree with what everyone is saying
07:55:55 Don't have any problem with the staff's calculation, but
07:55:57 there is a reason that human beings make these decisions up
07:56:01 And as the two mothers that are sitting to my right and my
07:56:04 left made a really good observation, which is that -- well,
07:56:11 the observation was that there are 20 to 30 kids under the
07:56:16 audiology of 3 that are going to be dropped off here, and
07:56:18 the parents are not going to drop them off in 30 seconds and
07:56:22 pull away.
07:56:22 It's going to be a longer interaction that is going to take
07:56:25 place in the driveway before these kids make it inside.
07:56:30 And, again, I still think that the queuing situation is
07:56:37 I just think -- I hear what you are saying about the
07:56:40 staggered drop-off time.
07:56:43 But, you know, a lot of people start work at 8:00 and a lot
07:56:46 of people start work at 9:00 in the morning.
07:56:48 And those people, they work downtown or in Westshore, are
07:56:52 going to be dropping off their kids at the same exact time.
07:56:55 So, you know, the staffing ratio, I understand that they can
07:57:06 form whatever the county requires, but 90 kids with eleven
07:57:12 adults and a director, 30 or 40 of whom are under the
07:57:16 audiology of 3.
07:57:18 Seems like a pretty ambitious undertaking to me.
07:57:23 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Father Suarez?
07:57:25 >>HARRY COHEN: No disrespect to the fathers, by the way.
07:57:29 [ Laughter ]
07:57:30 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I want to reiterate what my colleagues who
07:57:33 are moms and have dropped off children before have said.
07:57:39 Even if you drop off 90 children, even if you take the best
07:57:42 case scenario, 45 cars, the number of minutes it takes to
07:57:47 remove one child, or two children, out of a car, who are
07:57:51 under the ages of suction years old, six and under, you will
07:57:56 venture to say takes quite a bit of time.
07:57:59 The stacking of the cars is not the problem.
07:58:02 The delivery of the children is the problem.
07:58:04 I think that that's kind of what we are all going in the in
07:58:07 the same direction.
07:58:08 It is not the stacking cars, and I think our person in
07:58:15 transportation, Mr. Scott, you know, I'm not sure how many
07:58:18 times he's been in the stacking lane dropping off a child.
07:58:25 Sometimes it is difficult to remove the child from the car,
07:58:27 let alone to get him into the place, or there are some other
07:58:32 issues you have to deal with while you are trying to get the
07:58:34 kid out of the car.
07:58:36 And I know since you understand about daycares as you
07:58:39 mentioned yourself -- and I am not putting any words in your
07:58:41 mouth -- but you did say you have a pretty good idea of the
07:58:46 be what it takes for daycares because of your previous
07:58:49 How many seconds does it take -- and I won't say seconds
07:58:52 even though I know that's not true -- to take a child out of
07:58:57 the car?
07:58:57 In terms of your experience, you presented yourself as
07:59:01 essentially an expert.
07:59:01 >> Well, essentially what I indicated my experience, I do
07:59:05 have grandchildren, and I have had children, and --
07:59:09 >> You are lucky to have grandchildren.
07:59:11 >> Yes, I have two grandchildren.
07:59:15 But I don't want to dodge the question, but I don't know the
07:59:20 number of second, minutes.
07:59:23 It varies by child.
07:59:24 It depends whether you have a cooperative child trying to
07:59:26 get out of the seat or if you have a cooperative seat that
07:59:29 you are trying to get the child out.
07:59:31 But the question I would ask, if the only concern related to
07:59:39 the plan relates to the availability of parking on-site, we
07:59:44 have had a discussion, and opportunities to have discussions
07:59:48 with people in the area that have more than enough parking
07:59:54 available, church is close by, that we can make arrangements
08:00:01 or finalize arrangements for staff to park off-site, freeing
08:00:06 up the spaces on-site for drop-off issues forth for the
08:00:12 And I didn't want to but that up as the only reason, but
08:00:18 that is the primary concern.
08:00:19 >>MIKE SUAREZ: For us, it is more of a real life concern in
08:00:24 terms of what these things actually do.
08:00:26 You are not going to know the time frame of it because you
08:00:28 are here to do a zoning.
08:00:30 We don't require that as part of our zoning requirement.
08:00:33 So, you know, you aren't going to say, actually it's only
08:00:37 going to take 50 second to get a kid in and out, we are only
08:00:40 going to stack for a total of 15 minutes on any particular
08:00:44 rush hour day.
08:00:45 There's no way for you to say that and we nobody there's no
08:00:47 way for you to say that.
08:00:49 For us, even within our own con restaurants, dealing with
08:00:53 zoning, we understand real world constraints, and that's all
08:00:56 we were trying to mach a comment about.
08:00:58 >> And I realize that and I think it was focused on the
08:01:02 availability of sauces for people who maybe park -- and if
08:01:06 that was the primary concern we may have a way to address
08:01:09 that issue, and be glad to discuss.
08:01:12 That I know we have public.
08:01:13 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I am going to go to the public.
08:01:15 Anyone in the public care to speak on this item, item number
08:01:18 9, SU-II-14-6?
08:01:23 Please come forward.
08:01:23 >> Good evening.
08:01:31 Julie Carter, thank you for your time.
08:01:33 3625 west Santiago. Um behind the property where he wants
08:01:38 to build this preschool.
08:01:41 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Pull the Mike down a little bit.
08:01:43 >> Sorry.
08:01:44 I'm short.
08:01:46 I appreciate you addressing one of our concerns so I don't
08:01:48 have to be rehash that, and say the drop-off, pick-up.
08:01:52 We live behind that street.
08:01:55 We fear that parents will drop off their children when they
08:02:00 get on and off Bay to Bay.
08:02:02 There's been three significant accidents within the last
08:02:05 month at the corner of Bay to Bay and Himes.
08:02:09 If it's proposed to have their staff park off-site then
08:02:14 across Bay to Bay to get to work on time.
08:02:19 When parents exit the parking lot to the right, the first
08:02:23 thing they do is turn onto Himes, from Himes to then turn
08:02:27 onto Santiago street where I live, and kids in the back
08:02:32 seat, talking on the phone, having a grand old time, not
08:02:35 paying attention to what our street is, they'll fly down our
08:02:39 street because generally self Tampa moms in SUVs, and then
08:02:46 that creates commotion on Santiago, that makes it more
08:02:51 dangerous on Bay to Bay, it creates more reason for an
08:02:57 accident to occur at Himes and at Sterling, which are the
08:03:02 two corners, and it's that one portion of Bay to Bay happens
08:03:06 to be strictly residential.
08:03:12 So I agree with you and I am glad that you brought that
08:03:16 issue up.
08:03:17 Other issues that we have in the neighborhood is the noise
08:03:23 I am a substitute teacher for Hillsborough County.
08:03:26 I spend my days with five-year-olds to ten-year-olds.
08:03:32 When I go home in the afternoon, I don't want to bring those
08:03:35 kids home with me.
08:03:36 I don't want to listen to it.
08:03:37 My neighbors don't want to listen to the.
08:03:39 I don't want a preschool in my backyard for the noise level.
08:03:42 Parking is an issue.
08:03:45 If a child is sick or injured and they have 13 spaces, they
08:03:48 have 12 staff members, and one director, there's 13 spaces
08:03:52 are taken up.
08:03:54 Where are the parents going to park when they have to pick
08:03:56 up their sick and/or injured child?
08:03:59 There's in a place for them to park except on Sterling or
08:04:05 We had a mother that decided to run an art school.
08:04:09 She had about 15 to 20 kids across the street from me.
08:04:15 Dropped off and pick up you was a nightmare.
08:04:18 She they parked in my driveway.
08:04:20 They blocked my driveway.
08:04:22 They stopped in the middle of the road to mach a call, did
08:04:25 whatever they wanted to do, whenever they needed to do it.
08:04:28 And so I lived that nightmare seeing just what 15 kids can
08:04:33 (Bell sounds)
08:04:35 And it creates be -- Santiago is a fairly narrow street.
08:04:40 That doesn't work.
08:04:41 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
08:04:42 >> I'm sorry?
08:04:44 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you.
08:04:44 Your three minutes are up.
08:04:45 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Oh, I didn't realize it was three
08:04:47 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I asked the clerk to give you more sew
08:04:49 because you were so kind and I wanted to be very careful.
08:04:52 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I would appreciate.
08:04:53 There's so much more to do, to talk about.
08:04:56 But parking and creating havoc in the neighborhood and the
08:04:59 noise level.
08:05:01 I appreciate it very much.
08:05:02 Thank you.
08:05:03 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
08:05:04 Next, sir?
08:05:04 >> Good evening.
08:05:06 Jonathan Browy, 3623 West Santiago street.
08:05:12 My wife and I, our property shares about 25 feet of backyard
08:05:17 boundary with the subject property.
08:05:20 A couple things.
08:05:22 We talked about the queuing quite a bit.
08:05:24 So I won't go over those issues.
08:05:27 For us one of the things is noise.
08:05:30 With the new plan of putting the playground in the middle of
08:05:33 the building that would have helped a little bit.
08:05:35 But then that kind of opened a can of worms with the parking
08:05:39 issues, the potential to solve that.
08:05:42 I'm still concerned there would be a lot of noise, and a
08:05:46 privacy fence with all of those kids I don't think will be
08:05:49 adequate with that.
08:05:52 I work during the day, and my wife does as well, but I am
08:05:55 concerned about someone to buy the house later on will have
08:06:01 that to face while they own our property.
08:06:05 The other thing, I'm no attorney but I just wasn't sure that
08:06:09 with the PD determination, if you could rely on someone
08:06:14 leasing third party leases for parking spots, just seemed
08:06:20 contained of odd that -- I don't think anyone could be held
08:06:24 to that.
08:06:24 I don't know if that's exactly what I am saying here.
08:06:29 So it just seems -- but for me and my wife, we bought the
08:06:35 house that we live in a 1926 bungalow, it's a 1926, because
08:06:43 of the residential character.
08:06:44 We knew Bay to Bay behind us was a rather busy street, but
08:06:47 we saw -- I looked online, and looked at the zoning maps
08:06:52 that from Sterling to Lois, it was all zoned residential.
08:06:57 At Dale Mabry, that intersection, there's Smith and
08:07:01 associates and a little office space, and a very small
08:07:04 office, and loving facility.
08:07:05 Of course the church is on there. But that's all in my mind
08:07:09 in keeping with the Character of the neighborhood, and Dale
08:07:12 Mabry, a block and a half over from us.
08:07:14 So it's really not a problem.
08:07:17 So I see something like this going on and I know it's a
08:07:21 development, but up and down Dale Mabry, one PD turns into
08:07:26 another PD and another preponderance of the evidence PD and
08:07:28 it will really change that residential character that we
08:07:30 still have from Himes to Lois.
08:07:33 I would like to keep.
08:07:35 That thank you very much.
08:07:38 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I appreciate it very much.
08:07:39 Next, please.
08:07:39 >> I haven't been sworn in.
08:07:42 I apologize.
08:07:44 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: That's the first one -- sworn in and not
08:07:50 sworn at, we are all right.
08:07:52 Clerks will you swear her in?
08:08:04 (Oath administered by Clerk).
08:08:04 >> You have been sworn.
08:08:05 >> My name is Debra Johnson.
08:08:07 My husband and I, David and Debra Johnson, we own the two
08:08:10 properties, directly east, right next to the church on
08:08:13 the -- the property on the east side.
08:08:16 That's 3608 --
08:08:19 (Bell sounds).
08:08:20 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: That's a mistake. Don't worry about
08:08:20 >> 3608 west Bay to Bay and 3612 west Bay to Bay.
08:08:28 We have owned them a dozen years.
08:08:30 We know about the traffic patterns there.
08:08:31 The residential homes there.
08:08:32 Rental homes for us.
08:08:34 We have always kept them in wonderful repair.
08:08:38 And the one thing you can say is that when you are getting
08:08:42 on and off Bay to Bay, if you ever pulled out or tried to
08:08:45 back out or pull out on Bay to Bay at rush hour, it's
08:08:49 I always say be careful.
08:08:53 And you are dealing with young children and young children
08:08:56 don't always cooperate.
08:08:56 If you have ever taken one you out of a seat and the other
08:08:59 kid is rung, it's scary there.
08:09:01 But the big thing is, we live near the girls' academy.
08:09:05 And the girls' academy traffic comes right down our street,
08:09:08 Julia, and makes a big U-turn and makes a bottleneck on
08:09:13 I realize the girls academy is a larger school but on Bay to
08:09:17 Bay you still have a lot of traffic.
08:09:19 You are going to have more than how many cars, and you are
08:09:23 going to have a problem, because people do drop off, you
08:09:25 know, 8:00, 9:00, and 5, 6:00 and that's when you have rush
08:09:30 hour on Bay to Bay and it's frightening.
08:09:32 So I just think, my husband and I wanted to go on the record
08:09:35 to let you all know we are not trying to be difficult.
08:09:38 On the other hand we just don't think it's going to work.
08:09:40 You are going to have a bottleneck. It's going to be a
08:09:43 And I just think you have to consider that.
08:09:45 And that's what we wanted to let you know that we are there.
08:09:50 We are right in next door.
08:09:51 We have been there for a dozen years or more.
08:09:53 I have lost track.
08:09:55 But Bay to Bay is a force to be reckoned with at certain
08:09:58 times in the day.
08:10:00 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
08:10:01 Anyone care to speak who has not spoken, please come
08:10:04 >>> My name is Marc Anthony, 3611 west Santiago, the
08:10:13 property behind, adjacent to the property in question.
08:10:17 A lot has been said so far about the traffic and parking
08:10:22 I would like to agree with that wholeheartedly.
08:10:25 We just feel that queuing is, as people said, it's hard to
08:10:31 We have a four-year-old myself.
08:10:33 And our daughter goes to the united Methodist church day
08:10:39 school with children around the same age.
08:10:46 And they have a few more students or children, probably I
08:10:51 think their number is around 140 at that property.
08:10:56 But their parking capabilities far exceed what they have
08:11:10 with disability.
08:11:13 This is the Palma Ceia united Methodist church.
08:11:20 And this is the parking lot directly across the street.
08:11:23 Still on Bay to Bay.
08:11:25 You can kind of get a feel for the number of parking spots
08:11:30 Quite a few.
08:11:31 And this is the backside of Palma Ceia.
08:11:34 The United Methodist Church.
08:11:37 Can't remember the name of the street over there.
08:11:39 They have another parking lot on that is the side of the
08:11:43 So maybe 50 more students.
08:11:51 They are significantly larger amount of parking valuable for
08:11:54 that you are residents, to the students.
08:11:56 And there's in a queuing, get out, park your car in the
08:12:01 parking lot, unbuckle my child from the car seat, walk her
08:12:06 You can't imagine to let a four-year-old walk out or three
08:12:12 year old get unbuckled by somebody, into that facility.
08:12:19 As Julie mentioned parking on our street is very limited.
08:12:22 Almost every house has a sung will driveway.
08:12:27 There are no two car garages.
08:12:28 It's all sung will drive-throughway with a carport.
08:12:31 And this gives you a little feel for it.
08:12:36 This is my house right here.
08:12:37 This is typical street parking as you can see, to and a half
08:12:42 Gott up and down the street.
08:12:43 As Julie said, people are going to naturally going to go up
08:12:49 and down Bay to Bay and go around Santiago as they leave, or
08:12:54 possibly be queued around backwards.
08:12:56 And as you mentioned earlier there, was another facility,
08:13:00 another church facility around the corner of Bay to Bay and
08:13:02 Himes that was recently sold, the property, and sold to a
08:13:07 dentist group down the street, who built facilities, and you
08:13:11 can see there's now an entrance into this facility of Himes,
08:13:16 so the traffic pattern, people go Dale Mabry, down Santiago,
08:13:20 and go to this facility, has increased traffic flow already
08:13:23 on our street.
08:13:24 (Bell sounds).
08:13:26 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you so much.
08:13:28 I appreciate it very much.
08:13:29 Anyone else who has not spoken who would detour speak who
08:13:32 has been sworn in?
08:13:33 Petitioner, you have five minutes for rebuttal.
08:13:37 Ms. Mulhern, I'm sorry.
08:13:38 >> Thank you very much.
08:13:42 Just an observation.
08:13:45 The daycare fa subtle at the church, it is a church.
08:13:48 It does have parking for a church.
08:13:50 That is why it has so much parking.
08:13:53 I would like to note the parking is across the street that
08:13:55 he pointed to, which if we were able to secure the offsite
08:13:59 parking to alleviate some of the concerns about our on-site
08:14:03 capability, that would be addressed, and it would be within
08:14:08 a thousand feet of our facility, which would meet the
08:14:11 standards of off-site parking for staff.
08:14:17 Generally, we do have staff that meet the children at the
08:14:22 car, take them in, so we are not having children running
08:14:27 around up and down Bay to Bay.
08:14:29 I know they have concerns with respect to traffic on their
08:14:35 I can't say that there will not be a car that goes down
08:14:39 their street, but we have to locate on arterials.
08:14:42 We think cannot locate on neighborhood streets.
08:14:44 Streets lake Bay to Bay are the types of streets that
08:14:47 daycare operators, based upon the code, need to be located
08:14:54 So I offer to you that we believe this is would be a good
08:14:58 facility, that if the principle concern to be met by an
08:15:02 off-site parking agreement, we would entertain for
08:15:06 continuance for us to secure that in order to provide for
08:15:10 that additional parking.
08:15:13 And to address that concern of the on-site parking
08:15:18 availability, even though bee do meet the code as required
08:15:22 butt regulations.
08:15:26 I would be happy to be answer any questions.
08:15:28 Sorry it's been so long at the end.
08:15:31 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Any questions by council members?
08:15:32 Are you finished with your --
08:15:34 >> Yes, sir.
08:15:35 I'm here to answer any questions.
08:15:38 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Mrs. Mulhern.
08:15:38 >>MARY MULHERN: Yeah, to me, it just looks like -- it just
08:15:44 doesn't -- you just don't have the space that you need.
08:15:46 I mean, the reason that churches, you know, it's true that
08:15:52 that church has parking, but that's one of the reasons why a
08:15:55 lot of times daycares do end up being in churches or
08:16:03 synagogues, because there is the parking, and instead of,
08:16:07 you know, the parking is filled on Sunday at the church, and
08:16:12 Saturdays the synagogue, so it's open for parents to park
08:16:18 during the week.
08:16:19 So I think you are talking about two residential lots that
08:16:24 weren't built to be daycares schools, and if you can't, you
08:16:29 know, accommodate ---you have got to be able to provide some
08:16:34 I just don't see how you can accommodate them.
08:16:38 And I don't understand the business model.
08:16:42 I know my preschooler is now in middle school, but I
08:16:47 never -- I don't know too many parents of babies and
08:16:52 toddlers that aren't going to bring their kid into the
08:16:56 daycare in the morning.
08:16:58 And puck them up at night.
08:16:59 Maybe things are different now, but that leads you to having
08:17:04 a problem about the staffing, to have so many kids, 90 kids,
08:17:11 and, you know, 90 parents, 45 parents at best, who don't
08:17:17 have anywhere be to park.
08:17:22 I just don't see it working and being, you know, without the
08:17:26 adverse effects from the traffic.
08:17:28 >> Again, just to state for the record, we meat the parking
08:17:34 requirement of the code.
08:17:35 But we are willing to address the concerns of council with
08:17:41 respect to the having additional parking available for
08:17:46 parents to park, get their kids out, take them in on that
08:17:50 you are own, by securing off-site staff parking.
08:17:54 We have had those conversations already, not in anticipation
08:17:58 of tonight, but just to investigate whether it's available.
08:18:03 There are churches in the area that do have more than
08:18:05 adequate parking that is not used during the week that are
08:18:12 available to us for staff parking, that free up the 13
08:18:16 spaces on-site for that partner drop-off, the partner that
08:18:22 wants to park.
08:18:23 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: That's the case how come you didn't do it
08:18:25 before you came here?
08:18:26 >> Because it wasn't a requirement of the code --
08:18:29 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have been doing this for a long time.
08:18:31 So have you.
08:18:31 You are taking two bites of the apple.
08:18:33 >> No, sir.
08:18:34 I beg to differ.
08:18:35 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Okay.
08:18:39 All right.
08:18:43 Let me ask you, myself included, if I am not here, and
08:18:48 council members, that doesn't mean they aren't aware.
08:18:50 There's television sets back.
08:18:52 They are listening to what's going on.
08:18:54 I just want to put that on the record.
08:18:55 >>FRANK REDDICK: Mr. Chair, let me ask the petitioner.
08:18:59 Are you willing to continue this to see if you can work out
08:19:02 if part of the agreement with the church and come back?
08:19:12 >> Andrew Webber, petitioner.
08:19:14 The answer is yes.
08:19:14 >>REBECCA KERT: Legal department.
08:19:22 I just wanted to make a couple points clear.
08:19:25 They do meet parking.
08:19:26 So to require them to get additional parking because you
08:19:29 feel that additional parking is necessary, I think you need
08:19:32 to call attention to a couple other things that you are
08:19:35 allowed to look at tonight in special use permit including
08:19:37 the general criteria.
08:19:39 One of them is off-street parking and loading which relates
08:19:41 to more than just having available parking but also loading
08:19:44 issues, peaked and safety convenience, internal traffic
08:19:48 control, et cetera, et cetera, in addition to the control of
08:19:51 potentially adverse effects generally.
08:19:53 So I just want to make it clear that it doesn't look like
08:19:56 you are trying to require them to double their parking
08:19:58 requirements which they have met, but I think that you have
08:20:01 heard through the testimony expressed, some other concerns.
08:20:05 In addition if you would like to quarterback a continuance
08:20:07 to address some of those other effect issues they certainly
08:20:10 have the right to do that.
08:20:14 And if you are able to show to City Council at the next
08:20:18 hearing that they have addressed those loading and other
08:20:21 concerns, that's something, if they want to have an
08:20:24 opportunity to present additional evidence as to that,
08:20:27 that's certainly something you could consider.
08:20:29 >>FRANK REDDICK: I asked a question of the petitioner, are
08:20:34 you agreed --
08:20:36 >> Based upon your concerns to investigate the off-site
08:20:41 parking because we do not want to run afoul of the code.
08:20:43 We realize it's not requiring us to have additional parking.
08:20:48 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Let me stop you right there.
08:20:49 It's not required, but we are not addressing the requirement
08:20:51 of the building.
08:20:54 The queuing of the people coming and stacking up.
08:20:56 That's exactly what the attorney said.
08:20:58 And I don't want to get it confused for the record.
08:21:00 You want a perfectly clear record --
08:21:03 >> I know.
08:21:04 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: What she stated.
08:21:05 >> Yes, sir.
08:21:06 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: That's what we are talking about.
08:21:07 >> I'm sorry, Mr. Cohen -- I mean, Mr. Reddick.
08:21:13 I butted into your conversation.
08:21:14 >>FRANK REDDICK: No, I'm glad you made that clear, because
08:21:18 that was what the attorney stated.
08:21:20 I just want to make sure it was understood, and you are
08:21:24 willing to in any case request.
08:21:25 >> Yes, we understand.
08:21:26 >> Okay.
08:21:30 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have Mrs. Montelione and Mrs. Mulhern.
08:21:32 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I was going to ask for a motion to close
08:21:36 the hearing, sir.
08:21:37 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Well, they are asking, I think --
08:21:42 >> I have a question but I'll wait.
08:21:43 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: One second, please.
08:21:45 Be Mrs. Mulhern.
08:21:46 >>MARY MULHERN: Thank you.
08:21:47 I thought -- thank you for that.
08:21:49 That was what I was referring to, the general standard, the
08:21:54 compatibility and other things.
08:21:56 But safety, general welfare, and all that.
08:22:02 So you are going to have to deal with that.
08:22:05 But don't you usually tell us about the parking?
08:22:12 The thing with the parking leases.
08:22:15 Those are not something that we can enforce, correct?
08:22:22 Especially when we aren't talking about having a waiver for
08:22:25 >>REBECCA KERT: I would say what we always say in these
08:22:28 cases, that the applicant, typically they are asking for a
08:22:31 parking waiver.
08:22:32 And when they are coming in and they are asking for a
08:22:34 parking waiver, they have the ability to come in and tray to
08:22:36 justify that parking waiver.
08:22:38 What we have told you is that when they come in with these
08:22:41 third-party leases, they don't meet the city's requirements,
08:22:45 and therefore aren't recorded, and don't meet what we
08:22:49 consider to be adequate off-street parking, as to how much
08:22:56 justification you give to those because the city will not be
08:22:58 enforcing that.
08:22:59 They have those leases and they can go away.
08:23:02 In this situation, it is kind of similar, but they do have
08:23:05 the right to come to you and try to justify to you why they
08:23:08 have addressed some of their loading and other issues that
08:23:12 they have.
08:23:14 If you allow them to have a continuance.
08:23:15 >>MARY MULHERN: Right.
08:23:18 So you need to be aware of that, that we aren't all going to
08:23:25 be necessarily associated with parking.
08:23:26 >> Yes.
08:23:27 The particularly parking arrangement we understand there are
08:23:29 requirements in the code that must be met in order to have
08:23:31 an enforceable off-site parking agreement, and we will meet
08:23:35 those to the satisfaction of the --
08:23:39 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Let me just say, I am not trying to
08:23:40 complicate things.
08:23:41 You do meet the parking requirements for the structures.
08:23:46 What this council is asking, what the attorney is asking, is
08:23:49 on the drop-off, so that it is up to you to come back with a
08:23:54 plan that would address that issue of the dropping off and
08:23:58 how you are going to secure it with an off-parking location.
08:24:04 And we are not talking about the 12 parking spacing that you
08:24:06 now have and meet of the eleven directors and one
08:24:10 We are talking of those 90 students of which shall are from
08:24:14 45 cars to as many as 70 or 80 cars.
08:24:18 That's what we are talking about.
08:24:19 >> Yes, sir.
08:24:23 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: It's a busy thoroughfare through the city
08:24:25 and we don't want to back up and one of the neighbors said
08:24:31 there was two or three accidents at the corner of Himes.
08:24:33 I can't use that for your case.
08:24:35 But I can say that it does happen in that vicinity .
08:24:39 >> Yes, sir.
08:24:42 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Council, what's the pleasure?
08:24:43 Mr. Cohen?
08:24:44 >>HARRY COHEN: I just want to reiterate my agreement with
08:24:49 what Ms. Mulhern and some of the others have been saying,
08:24:53 and I want to be very clear that for me, the issue here is
08:24:58 less about the parking than it is about the general welfare
08:25:02 of the community.
08:25:03 And my concern that that will be affected by the queuing
08:25:06 plan that is present in the current design.
08:25:12 So when you come back, I would like to see that issue
08:25:16 addressed in a way that will satisfy the concerns that have
08:25:26 been raised here.
08:25:27 >> Understood.
08:25:29 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: And I need a date from someone.
08:25:32 >> June 12th.
08:25:38 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: In the area and also that the neighbors
08:25:40 are going to be at the time, you will be notified when the
08:25:43 hearing is going to be held.
08:25:46 I can't go back, I'm sorry.
08:25:47 >>FRANK REDDICK: If the petitioner agrees, June 12th, would
08:25:59 that be enough time?
08:26:01 >> Yes.
08:26:02 June 12th is fine.
08:26:03 >>FRANK REDDICK: Then I move --
08:26:09 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: We close the hearing.
08:26:10 We are going to continue it till June 12th.
08:26:13 At 6:00 p.m., the year 2014.
08:26:15 Is that advisable, is that acceptable, petitioner?
08:26:18 >> Yes, it is.
08:26:20 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: That request for June 12th at 6:00 p.m.
08:26:23 I have a motion by Mr. Reddick.
08:26:24 I have a second by Mr. Suarez that that this be continued to
08:26:28 June 12th at 6:00 p.m.
08:26:30 All in favor of that motion please indicate by saying aye.
08:26:33 Opposed nay. The ayes have it unanimously.
08:26:35 Thank you very much. Okay.
08:26:41 I need a motion to receive and file.
08:26:44 Motion by Mrs. Montelione, second by Mr. Cohen.
08:26:47 Discussion by council members? All in favor?
08:26:49 Opposed? The ayes have it unanimously.
08:26:51 Yes, ma'am.
08:26:57 We continued it.
08:26:57 We didn't close the hearing.
08:26:59 We continued it.
08:27:04 It gets a little complicated.
08:27:07 No problem.
08:27:08 Any information reports?
08:27:09 Mr. Suarez, right to left.
08:27:10 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you, sir.
08:27:11 I have given to all of my colleagues a letter that was
08:27:15 drafted in support of the Jewish community center's project
08:27:21 at the armory.
08:27:22 Asking for approval of that letter in order to send to the
08:27:26 We need to send it tonight as requested by the Executive
08:27:30 Director of the JCC.
08:27:35 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Mr. Suarez, I already sent mine through
08:27:38 May I offer a substitute motion in preparing a resolution?
08:27:43 I had Mr. Shelby prepare a resolution, and it's very simple,
08:27:47 it states the same things that are in the letter that we all
08:27:50 received that are in the letter that you had offered.
08:27:54 I asked -- Mr. Shelby has copies for everybody?
08:28:01 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I am going to top that with a double
08:28:04 This is a discussion that I had with Mr. Shelby
08:28:06 concerning -- hang on -- and, you know, he had said that he
08:28:09 had not worked on the resolution.
08:28:11 He started to do it.
08:28:12 >>LISA MONTELIONE: This is the second time I sat at his
08:28:16 desk because we can't talk to each other.
08:28:17 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I know.
08:28:19 So we had the letter prepared.
08:28:21 We had brought it up.
08:28:23 I don't know of the resolution but the strength of the
08:28:27 resolution in terms of what we are doing, half a dozen on
08:28:31 one, six on another.
08:28:33 If I could ask Mr. Shelby the question first.
08:28:39 The question that I am asking.
08:28:44 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: The maker of the motion, which should be
08:28:47 >> what is best is council's decision.
08:28:49 Ultimately a resolution is more formal, and sometimes it's
08:28:55 sent with a cover letter, but in terms of official action of
08:28:58 council, your motion to send a letter is an official action
08:29:04 that results in a letter.
08:29:05 This is a resolution which is part of the record.
08:29:08 That's it.
08:29:09 That's the difference.
08:29:09 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Again I mentioned that to Mr. Shelby about a
08:29:13 cover letter, and what was done at the time when I had
08:29:18 discussed it, if fab that included the resolution.
08:29:21 So if it's the pleasure of council, I put the motion up.
08:29:24 Aid second.
08:29:25 We can go forward based on that.
08:29:28 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I think he was first.
08:29:32 >>HARRY COHEN: The request made was for letter on
08:29:35 That's what they asked for.
08:29:36 So that's what I think we should do.
08:29:38 I mean, that's all.
08:29:47 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: It makes in a difference asking me for a
08:29:49 penny or nickel.
08:29:51 Five pennies equal one nickel.
08:29:53 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I had corresponded with Mr. Ross.
08:29:57 I asked for a resolution of that motion.
08:29:59 And he said, that's great.
08:30:02 So it doesn't matter.
08:30:03 >>MARTIN SHELBY: If I can, council, I want to apologize.
08:30:07 The sunshine law being what it is, I can't act as a conduit.
08:30:11 And also, the policy normally is that a resolution is not
08:30:18 prepared except upon a vote of council and come back the
08:30:23 following week.
08:30:23 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Thank you.
08:30:25 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Being presented to me time is of the
08:30:29 essence and next week will be too late, I made the choice in
08:30:33 conversation with Councilwoman Montelione to do so, if
08:30:36 council wishes.
08:30:37 But I apologize.
08:30:40 >>YOLIE CAPIN: Thank you for that, because it was very,
08:30:43 very emphatic by this council that we were not to bring
08:30:45 resolutions unless they were a week in advance, and it was
08:30:50 brought up when I brought a resolution to be City Council.
08:30:54 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Okay.
08:30:56 Which one?
08:30:57 There's three of them.
08:30:58 [ Laughter ]
08:31:00 I have a motion by Mr. Suarez, a second by Mr. Cohen.
08:31:03 Mr. Reddick to send a letter.
08:31:05 All in favor of that motion?
08:31:07 The ayes have it unanimously.
08:31:08 Anything else, Mr. Suarez?
08:31:10 >>MIKE SUAREZ: No.
08:31:14 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I need to move to ratify a commendation to
08:31:17 Chad Alexander Wayne on obtaining the rank of Eagle Scout.
08:31:21 >> A motion by Mrs. Capin.
08:31:23 Second by Mr. Suarez.
08:31:24 Further discussion by council members?
08:31:26 All in favor of the motion?
08:31:28 The ayes have it unanimously.
08:31:29 Anything else, Mrs. Capin?
08:31:31 Thank you.
08:31:31 Mr. Reddick?
08:31:33 Mrs. Mulhern? Mr. Cohen?
08:31:35 >>HARRY COHEN: Mr. Chair, I had made a motion recently to
08:31:39 ask our tax collector Doug Beldon to appear to receive a
08:31:43 commendation in honor of receiving the Ellsworth Simmons
08:31:46 Good Government Award.
08:31:48 He responded that he is available May 22nd at 9:00 a.m.
08:31:51 I would like to ask for council that we give him that
08:31:55 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion by Mr. Cohen, seconded by
08:31:57 Mrs. Capin.
08:31:58 Further discussion by council members?
08:31:59 All in favor?
08:32:01 The ayes have it unanimously.
08:32:02 Anything else, sir?
08:32:04 Mrs. Montelione?
08:32:05 >>LISA MONTELIONE: You know all those nights where you were
08:32:08 happy I had nothing to say?
08:32:10 I am making up for it tonight.
08:32:14 So the first things I would like to ask is for a motion for
08:32:17 council's approval to use the city seal to appear on this
08:32:23 I'm hosting an event in conjunction with the Sheriff's
08:32:28 Department, the Tampa Hillsborough Homeless Initiative, the
08:32:32 James A. Haley Veterans Hospital, and the City of Tampa
08:32:35 Police Department, and I would like to say it is a homeless
08:32:41 veterans event on May 22nd.
08:32:43 >> Second.
08:32:44 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a second by Mr. Cohen.
08:32:46 Further discussion by council members?
08:32:47 All in favor?
08:32:48 The ayes have it unanimously.
08:32:50 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Thank you, sir.
08:32:51 I also like to ask for council for approval for commendation
08:32:56 honoring the fact that May is bicycle month, and to honor
08:33:02 our transportation staff who has worked diligently on the
08:33:07 Tampa walk-bike plan phases 1, 2 and 3.
08:33:12 That would be Jean Duncan, Calvin Thornton, Nina Mabilleau
08:33:15 and Milton Martinez.
08:33:17 And that date to be coordinated with their schedule.
08:33:20 >> Second.
08:33:21 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a second by Mr. Suarez.
08:33:23 Further discussion by council members?
08:33:24 All in favor of the motion please indicate by saying aye.
08:33:26 Opposed nay.
08:33:27 The ayes have it unanimously.
08:33:28 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I would also ask council for approval to
08:33:33 ask Ms. Willis and Chief Tom Forward and Mrs. Ali Glisson to
08:33:40 appear before us on May 15th to discuss the alert Tampa
08:33:44 system, and how the system works, who is responsible for
08:33:49 notices, and how we can be prepared for the next storm
08:33:55 >>HARRY COHEN: Is that under staff reports?
08:33:58 >> That would be under staff reports, yes, sir, May
08:34:02 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Motion by Mrs. Montelione, second by Mr.
08:34:05 Cohen on a close vote with Mr. Suarez.
08:34:09 Motion passes unanimously.
08:34:11 >>LISA MONTELIONE: And finally, I would ask that the public
08:34:14 works division, Mr. Irv Lee, Al Hoel, Mr. Mike Herr,
08:34:19 stormwater engineering, Alex Awad, and the finance and
08:34:22 budget in the persons of Sonya Little and Mike Perry, appear
08:34:29 to discuss the recent flooding events, what our stormwater
08:34:35 capital projects are planned, and what we need to do to
08:34:40 perhaps prevent or minimize the flooding in the areas that
08:34:44 we had people under water.
08:34:48 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion by Mrs. Montelione.
08:34:50 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I'm sorry, that would be June 5th
08:34:53 under staff reports.
08:34:55 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Seconded by Mr. Cohen.
08:34:56 Further discussion by council members?
08:34:57 All in favor?
08:34:59 The ayes have it unanimously.
08:35:00 Anything else?
08:35:01 >>LISA MONTELIONE: That's it.
08:35:02 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you.
08:35:03 I just want to make a little public service announcement.
08:35:06 The University of Tampa finished the baseball season at 47
08:35:10 wins and two losses.
08:35:12 And no one has ever done that, that I know of in college
08:35:17 It might have but I don't know about it.
08:35:19 And if you count three wins in Cuba, they are 50 and 2.
08:35:23 So anyone in the audience, all of ultimate 512 people care
08:35:26 to come up at one time?
08:35:30 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I want to wish my colleagues a happy
08:35:32 Mother's Day and all the people celebrating Mother's Day
08:35:34 this weekend, make sure to take your mom out to a nice
08:35:38 breakfast, lunch, dinner, whatever it may be.
08:35:41 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you.
08:35:41 We stand adjourned.
08:35:46 (Thereupon, the meeting adjourned.)
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