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Thursday, June 5, 2014

9:00 a.m. session


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[Sounding gavel]

09:02:54 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: City Council is called into session.

09:02:56 The chair yields to Mr. Cohen.

09:02:58 >>HARRY COHEN: The Reverend Vickie R. Walker of Missions

09:03:03 and Outreach from Hyde Park United Methodist Church joins us

09:03:06 this morning for our invocation.

09:03:08 Some of you attended the recent Tampa Police Department

09:03:12 memorial ceremony where the Reverend Walker served as

09:03:16 chaplain, and she gave some very moving remarks on that

09:03:20 evening, and we look forward to hearing from her today with

09:03:24 some equally inspiring words.

09:03:26 Please, let's stand for the prayer and then the pledge of

09:03:29 allegiance.

09:03:29 >> Let us pray.

09:03:33 Dear God, thank you for your many blessings.

09:03:36 Thank you for life itself, for the measure of help we need

09:03:40 to fulfill our calling.

09:03:44 Thank you for the ability to be involved in useful work and

09:03:51 responsibility.

09:03:51 In the scriptures you said that citizens ought to obey the

09:03:55 governing authority, established the very authority to

09:03:59 promote peace and order and justice.

09:04:02 Therefore, I pray for our mayor, for the various levels of

09:04:05 city officials, and in particular for this City Council.

09:04:10 God, graciously grant them wisdom to govern amid conflicting

09:04:14 interests and issues of our time, and sense of the welfare

09:04:18 and true needs of our people, a keen search for justice and

09:04:23 righteousness, confidence in what is good and fitting, the

09:04:27 ability to work together in harmony even when there is

09:04:30 honest disagreement, personal peace in their lives and joy

09:04:33 in their task.

09:04:34 I pray for the agenda before us today.

09:04:38 Please give assurance of what will please you and to live

09:04:42 and work in and around our beloved City of Tampa.

09:04:45 In your holy name I pray.

09:04:47 Amen.

09:04:47 [ Pledge of Allegiance ]

09:04:49 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Roll call.

09:05:18 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Here.

09:05:21 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Present.

09:05:23 >>MARY MULHERN: Here.

09:05:24 >>HARRY COHEN: Here.

09:05:25 >>FRANK REDDICK: Here.

09:05:26 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Here.

09:05:28 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Here.

09:05:29 Okay. I need a motion for the approval of the agenda and

09:05:34 addendum to today's meeting.

09:05:37 Motion by Mr. Cohen.

09:05:38 Second by Mrs. Montelione.

09:05:39 All in favor?

09:05:41 Opposed?

09:05:41 The ayes have it unanimously.

09:05:45 Maybe they are here, but the state champion here?

09:05:49 There they are.

09:05:52 I just want to make sure they still recognize they are

09:05:56 champions because we get them that high it's hard to sit

09:05:58 here for that long period of time.

09:06:00 So I know that it's on the council's agenda.

09:06:03 And worry very proud of Robinson high school, with the coach

09:06:06 or coaches or team.

09:06:07 Want to come up and introduce themselves and tell us a

09:06:09 little bit about how you got where you are at and so forth

09:06:15 and so on?

09:06:15 We are so proud of everything you accomplished, especially

09:06:18 inside the classroom, not outside the classroom.

09:06:21 >> We brought three of the four seniors, Caroline, Alea, and

09:06:35 Sabrine.

09:06:36 They went 19-0, won the state title, combined for over 662

09:06:42 to 18.

09:06:43 And the first state title for flag football in Hillsborough

09:06:50 County.

09:06:51 They also have a 3.71 grade point which is the highest in

09:06:57 the state for flag football, with 250 schools.

09:07:01 It's the second year in a row that they have won that.

09:07:06 Caroline was the female athlete of the year for "The Tampa

09:07:08 Tribune in all sports.

09:07:11 Kiley was the flag football player of the year for the

09:07:14 state.

09:07:15 Alea is the prom queen and the valedictorian.

09:07:26 Caroline is attending Virginia.

09:07:29 She's doing -- she's going to Marathon to play volleyball

09:07:44 and Alea to the U.S. Naval Academy.

09:07:48 [ Applause ]

09:07:49 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Let me say this from the best council in

09:07:55 the City of Tampa, in fact the only council in the City of

09:07:58 Tampa, to the greatest flag football team maybe in the

09:08:01 country, 19 and 0 is something that I don't think none of us

09:08:07 have 19 and 0 in anything.

09:08:09 And I can't have a 3.8 grade point average, .9 and .9 and .9

09:08:15 in four years.

09:08:16 But I know it equals 3.6 so somebody do the math.

09:08:20 We are very proud of you.

09:08:23 Robinson has always been an outstanding school.

09:08:25 I remember many years ago when your football team was an

09:08:29 outstanding football team, not the guy with the beard but

09:08:34 the great running back, Washington Redskins, Smith played

09:08:40 there, and it was exciting to see you guys come up to the

09:08:43 level that you had because of the great coaching staff, and

09:08:47 academically, young ladies like the three that you have here

09:08:52 with the grade point average is what makes us most proud of

09:08:55 each and every one of you at Robinson.

09:08:58 Congratulations to you.

09:08:58 And if you would like to take a picture with the council,

09:09:01 all of you come here, the coach, whatever, I think the

09:09:04 council will permit me to do that.

09:09:06 >>HARRY COHEN: And we have a commendation, too.

09:09:08 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Read that, Mr. Cohen.

09:09:09 You are going to sit right here and read it to them.

09:09:18 I never threw too many fast balls because it would go to the

09:09:21 other side of the fence.

09:09:23 Curve ball.

09:09:23 >>HARRY COHEN: Why don't I read it while we stand for the

09:09:28 picture?

09:09:28 The Tampa City Council recognizes the outstanding effort and

09:09:33 success of the Robinson high school knights in winning the

09:09:36 State of Florida flag football championship, the first-ever

09:09:39 for a school from Hillsborough County, and by the bay,

09:09:42 according to the newspapers, the first-ever school on the

09:09:45 west coast of Florida.

09:09:46 In defeating the two-time defending state champion Seminole

09:09:50 ridge 7-6.

09:09:51 Robinson achieved success in its third straight trip to the

09:09:54 championship game.

09:09:57 Winning on the football field is not the only championship

09:10:00 for the knights, as was mentioned earlier for the second

09:10:03 year in a row, the girls were recognized as the American

09:10:06 team champions sporting cumulative, unweighted G.P.A. of

09:10:11 3.170, because of excellence in both the classroom and on

09:10:14 the field, Tampa City Council commends the Robinson high

09:10:18 school knights for an outstanding season, in which all team

09:10:21 members and coaches continued success.

09:10:26 [ Applause ]

09:10:29 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Let me just say this.

09:10:31 Winning was easy -- if winning is easy there would never be

09:10:36 a loser.

09:10:37 And I could shake hands with each and every one of you.

09:11:21 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Mr. Chair?

09:11:22 I would like to thank the Robinson high school graduate

09:11:28 that's going to the Naval Academy.

09:11:29 I had the great fortune of meeting her during the time that

09:11:32 we were selecting kids to go to the Naval Academy for Kathy

09:11:35 Castor's office.

09:11:37 Kathy Castor as the Congresswoman selected her, both brains

09:11:40 and beauty, as we like to say, and she will be going to the

09:11:43 Naval Academy.

09:11:44 To me that's a great testament to her work ethic because you

09:11:48 all don't know her resumé.

09:11:49 Let me just tell you something.

09:11:51 It puts us all to shame.

09:11:55 Congratulations.

09:11:55 Thank you for continuing to serve our nation by going to the

09:11:58 Naval Academy.

09:11:59 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Good luck to all of you.

09:12:01 [ Applause ]

09:12:02 Okay.

09:12:08 We go to public comments.

09:12:09 Anyone in the audience care to speak to this council

09:12:11 regarding items on the agenda first and then off the agenda.

09:12:14 Come forward, please.

09:12:25 We have gone Mikeless.

09:12:27 Not this Mike.

09:12:32 That's Mike Suarez.

09:12:33 >> Jerry Frank Hauser, west Hawthorne road, Tampa, Florida.

09:12:42 And I have a couple of comments here on number 9, which is

09:12:47 the proposed PDs.

09:12:53 One of our main concerns is that when a PD goes through City

09:12:58 Council, it seems like it is passed by City Council, and

09:13:02 then disappears.

09:13:03 It does never come back here to be worked on, if there's any

09:13:07 changes.

09:13:08 Seems like they just kind of get the changes changed without

09:13:13 coming back to council to have been approved.

09:13:17 I don't know whether that's the way it works.

09:13:19 But it doesn't seem like it's the way that the neighborhoods

09:13:22 could use the time to discuss it, any of the changes that

09:13:28 were being made to the PDs, if we get them back into City

09:13:33 Council where we would have an open forum to talk.

09:13:38 One of our major concerns is that we don't get to put our C

09:13:44 cents worth in on lots of things.

09:13:47 The alcohol, the other things.

09:13:49 We are getting shut out.

09:13:50 The neighborhoods are getting shut out.

09:13:52 And we need to get back into that, and we need to have some

09:13:55 way of doing it.

09:13:57 Thank you.

09:13:58 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.

09:13:59 Next, please.

09:14:00 >>> Pete Johnson, 510 Harrison street.

09:14:20 First of all, I want to talk about the bait and bull.

09:14:26 The only thing I can say is from all of the reports that I

09:14:29 have read, the best line that I have ever heard about it

09:14:36 came from Mr. Suarez saying it was screwed up before we got

09:14:40 here.

09:14:42 It was.

09:14:44 From construction services to building department to every

09:14:49 department, it was screwed up.

09:14:54 Okay.

09:14:54 That's all I am going to say about it.

09:14:56 It was a big waste of money.

09:14:59 We talk about code enforcement, and, yes, it's raining.

09:15:03 Every single day it rains, and it still rains.

09:15:08 What I have given you is a couple of quick, easy things.

09:15:15 Particular case on Broad Street where they say they

09:15:21 documented no accumulation problem.

09:15:25 I'm sorry, but this is accumulation.

09:15:29 The discretion of an officer after he sees and knows of

09:15:34 violations should not allow him not to report that.

09:15:41 All violations need to be reported.

09:15:44 This is also an ethical question.

09:15:49 Whether or not it's ethical for him to even do that with

09:15:53 them, whoever it is, to visually see a violation and not

09:15:58 report it.

09:15:58 I see code cases every single day that if they are not

09:16:01 written up properly, they get thrown out and the violation

09:16:04 continues.

09:16:06 The second portion is an address on Nebraska street, with

09:16:12 the same violation as in 2010 and 2012.

09:16:18 The gentleman paid twenty-some thousand dollars because of

09:16:23 the violations, and he goes right back and does it again.

09:16:27 Didn't get a permit for the wall.

09:16:30 Never finished the wall.

09:16:32 It's a safety hazard.

09:16:33 There's rebar sticking up out of the ground.

09:16:36 The concrete block that can fall down and hit a child.

09:16:40 There's no accountability.

09:16:44 This is another address by the same gentleman with code

09:16:49 violations on it.

09:16:50 You are not allowed to have two or three trailers on it.

09:16:52 (Bell sounds)

09:16:53 This is another address.

09:16:55 The same gentleman.

09:16:59 He has been told before, legally, not to do this.

09:17:06 But no one takes him to court.

09:17:08 No affidavit is filed to take this gentleman to court.

09:17:12 Even worse than that, this is a trailer park started in

09:17:21 20 -- fined in 2013 for unhealthy living conditions.

09:17:24 (Bell sounds)

09:17:25 Nothing has happened.

09:17:27 The case has never gone to court.

09:17:30 Why are we going through all this and wasting all this money

09:17:34 if we are not going to get these people to comply?

09:17:38 I'm not saying enforcement anymore.

09:17:41 It's to comply.

09:17:42 Thank you.

09:17:43 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much, sir.

09:17:44 Next, please.

09:17:44 >> First I want to say glory be to God and thank God for

09:18:01 Jesus Christ.

09:18:03 I'm pastor Frank Williams, located on east Scott street,

09:18:12 many complaints but nobody seems to want to resolve them.

09:18:16 Constitutional rights are violated, my church rights have

09:18:21 been violated, my religious rights have been violated,

09:18:24 Biblical rights have been violated, our Constitutional

09:18:27 rights have been violated, and nobody want to stand up for

09:18:31 the church.

09:18:36 I called the city code enforcement.

09:18:38 Now what they told me about that fence around the church?

09:18:40 I need to get a lawyer.

09:18:42 Why do I need to get a lawyer for my rights?

09:18:46 My rights are just as right as yours.

09:18:48 You have your Constitutional rights, don't you?

09:18:49 I should have my Constitutional rights.

09:18:52 Also, I read an article in the Florida sentinel.

09:18:56 It got -- Frank Reddick, and somebody wants to purchase --

09:19:07 he said something about Tampa housing made an offering.

09:19:15 If they made an offer to me I two of take it to our

09:19:20 corporation.

09:19:21 They never sat down.

09:19:22 Frank Reddick never sat dawn and talked with me.

09:19:25 No members of the City Council ever sat down and talked with

09:19:28 me.

09:19:28 And another thing.

09:19:30 You designated the church as a historical landmark.

09:19:33 If you designated the church as a historical landmark why

09:19:36 did they put a fence around it?

09:19:38 Why are they building a high-rise right across the street

09:19:41 from it?

09:19:42 Everything is to be considered as historical when they are

09:19:46 building.

09:19:47 They put a building in the historical district.

09:19:51 The church is a historical landmark.

09:19:52 I need somebody to talk to me one on one I.don't care who it

09:19:56 is.

09:19:56 But I need somebody that knows the Constitutional rights.

09:20:00 And if you don't, I guarantee you, you are going to have to

09:20:04 do something about it.

09:20:08 Representative he Floyd never respond.

09:20:14 Write your government.

09:20:15 He never responds.

09:20:16 Write the mayor.

09:20:17 He never responds.

09:20:18 Nobody never responds.

09:20:21 I guess I'm just some black man.

09:20:23 And the name Pam or owe, I'm out there by myself.

09:20:30 No, I'm not out there by myself.

09:20:32 I'm with Jesus Christ.

09:20:35 I am guaranteed everywhere I go.

09:20:37 Whether you believe in it or not it don't make no difference

09:20:40 but we must understand we are all human beings, and we

09:20:44 should be treated by human beings regardless of what the

09:20:47 color of our skin.

09:20:49 Stop looking at a man by the color of the skin and look at

09:20:52 his character, and trust in God to do the right thing.

09:20:55 If you don't want to do the right thing, why don't you all

09:20:57 step down and get somebody else to do the right thing?

09:21:03 (Bell sounds)

09:21:04 Let me tell you something about the Mexicans and Indians.

09:21:09 They were here before the Europeans came here.

09:21:12 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.

09:21:12 >> The Mexicans was --

09:21:16 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.

09:21:18 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: You all came here --

09:21:21 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.

09:21:22 Next, please.

09:21:24 >> There's no microphone?

09:21:33 >> No, you don't need a Mike, sir.

09:21:35 Hello?

09:21:36 Hello?

09:21:36 You don't need a Mike.

09:21:37 >> Okay, this one here.

09:21:42 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: We followed your advice and went up on

09:21:44 technology.

09:21:44 >> Okay.

09:21:46 I'm handing around a little bit of collaboration on this,

09:21:50 because you can only do so much in three minutes.

09:21:53 Mostly, there's some major issue that I want to speak to

09:21:57 that follows on the heels of con em indications last week,

09:22:01 the week before, I think.

09:22:03 But first, some something with respect to that, I talk to

09:22:10 this a lot because of the acting by Russell Crowe, and the

09:22:16 ability of people to change, and bad things not happening.

09:22:19 Now, in the eight years since this movie, nothing has

09:22:22 happened.

09:22:24 So when stuff starts to happen 2060, 2070, and we can't

09:22:30 pinch down because this guy in Siberia and that's where the

09:22:39 answers are.

09:22:40 I have this, too, the housing market is bad.

09:22:43 That's something I know people here are concerned about.

09:22:46 Well, it could be the low quality of life, which has

09:22:50 developed over the past three to four years, a major thing.

09:22:54 Now, there's been poor job prospects for a long time and

09:22:58 that's why I keep going into technology corridor, because

09:23:01 that would improve things, for instance, for people

09:23:04 graduating from USF.

09:23:06 But the noise, the noise is going through the roof -- the

09:23:12 sky.

09:23:13 The vehicles that do not have mufflers, it was 2 to 3% six

09:23:18 months to a year ago, it's about 5% of them now.

09:23:21 It's the hip thing to do, and the hammers have got to come

09:23:24 down.

09:23:25 And that's why I have this list of noise of nodes.

09:23:31 And I also circulated this for the county but it's basically

09:23:33 a city problem.

09:23:35 Okay.

09:23:35 The main thing I have there, you gave a commendation to the

09:23:39 water department, but something has developed, and I worked

09:23:44 in that field to a certain extent but I never heard about

09:23:47 it.

09:23:47 90% of the people that work in that field have not heard

09:23:50 about it.

09:23:51 A lot of these arch conservative right wingers have and I

09:23:55 always thought they were nuts wanting to drink from a bottle

09:23:58 of water or something like that, and that exasperated the

09:24:01 people that work in the industry.

09:24:03 I researched it and researched it and came up with stuff

09:24:06 about a couple or throw months ago, and it's a major thing.

09:24:09 It's a possibility that the public water supplies are a

09:24:13 major disseminate or of Alzheimer's disease.

09:24:16 Now, I know some of you are going to be concerned about

09:24:18 Alzheimer's disease because it's rising.

09:24:21 And one of the reasons it's rising is over above the aging

09:24:25 profile is the use of ALUM in the water supply.

09:24:32 There are nodes of aluminum inside the head where people

09:24:37 with Alzheimer's in autopsies, also they did a study

09:24:41 comparing people using aluminum pots with not using aluminum

09:24:44 pots.

09:24:46 That isn't where it comes from. It comes from ALUM and

09:24:49 there is an alternative that would raise the price of water

09:24:53 ten dollars a month and I think if that was put to

09:24:56 referendum people would want to do it.

09:24:58 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.

09:24:59 Appreciate it.

09:24:59 Thank you.

09:25:00 Next, please.

09:25:01 >> Good morning.

09:25:12 Kimberly Overman, park circle in northeast Seminole Heights,

09:25:18 here actually to just speak briefly on item 5, item 9 and

09:25:22 item 10.

09:25:23 Item 5 is relating to the issue of -- I went to the Winter

09:25:31 Park ordinance, and it seems as though they are

09:25:37 overaddressing a problem, most individuals who would like to

09:25:39 have a family birthday party or large event at their home

09:25:42 would be prohibited from having events, if they didn't have

09:25:47 a machine to tell them how much sound they had in their

09:25:49 yard, given that there's a limit of three family members.

09:25:55 If underage drinking is the issue let's address that.

09:25:58 If noise is the issue, over the top after 11:00 let's

09:26:04 address that.

09:26:04 But the language seems to be a little too broad in order to

09:26:07 address the concerns that the residents that brought this

09:26:10 forward to you would like to have addressed.

09:26:12 So I ask your caution in putting sewing like that in place.

09:26:16 Item 9 -- I'm sorry, item 8, I personally had several of my

09:26:22 neighbors' home filled up with stormwater during the rain,

09:26:26 and the consequence of the river rising so fast below the

09:26:32 Hillsborough dam.

09:26:35 Two of those properties have been almost completely

09:26:37 destroyed as a consequence of water coming down and

09:26:39 stormwater not having adequate place to go.

09:26:43 Between Rowlette Park down and the bypass is going to be

09:26:48 critically important, the mechanisms you can put into place

09:26:52 in order to assist homeowners, protective properties would

09:26:55 be very important, the support in that area.

09:26:58 Then lastly on item 10, where you are addressing alternative

09:27:01 guides, design exceptions, my comment really relates to how

09:27:05 neighborhoods are looking to try and work with the planning

09:27:07 department in order to improve relations and to improve the

09:27:12 trust when projects are being developed within our area.

09:27:14 I live in the Seminole Heights area on the Hillsborough

09:27:17 Avenue corridor, which is an area that for economic

09:27:22 development in the next ten years in a significant way.

09:27:24 The people that live on the residential streets in that area

09:27:26 are severely concerned about the FDOT requirements to ignore

09:27:33 the neighborhoods' needs when it comes to development on

09:27:35 that corridor.

09:27:36 So we are looking for ways that we can work actively with

09:27:39 the planning department and City Council in order for the

09:27:43 outcomes that we anticipate down the road.

09:27:46 Thank you for your time.

09:27:47 (Bell sounds).

09:27:48 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.

09:27:49 Next, please.

09:27:50 >> Good morning.

09:27:52 Kim Hartland, 1001 east 24th Avenue, here as an Ybor

09:27:58 resident to speak on number 6, Cuscaden pool.

09:28:01 I would like to thank you all for keeping the conversation

09:28:02 about the necessary repairs to Cuscaden on the agenda and on

09:28:06 the administration's radar for quite some time.

09:28:08 This is actually the fifth summer season without a pool or

09:28:11 fitness center or community center, or an after-school use

09:28:16 program at Cuscaden park.

09:28:18 I personally have high hopes that the necessary corrective

09:28:20 measures would be closer to reality than they are right now.

09:28:23 I hope that Tampa's rich architectural and cultural heritage

09:28:27 would be a priority and that this landmark and amenities

09:28:31 would be on its way to serving many generations to come.

09:28:33 At a minimum, more than four years into this conversation I

09:28:37 hoped that the structure would be stabilized or mothballed

09:28:41 to ensure that it's still standing when and if funding

09:28:43 becomes available.

09:28:44 But after several years of discussion and many what-if plans

09:28:49 and many delay tactics, unfortunately, that is still not the

09:28:52 case.

09:28:53 We are still just talking.

09:28:55 The administration yesterday saying there is no money, but

09:29:00 this isn't a new problem and it isn't the first time that

09:29:02 allocations have been requested.

09:29:04 So let's be very honest.

09:29:05 Cuscaden pool is a landmark structure, to fit in the

09:29:10 community space, and this neighborhood is not a victim of

09:29:13 limited funding, it's simply not a top priority.

09:29:15 I get that.

09:29:16 And it wasn't a priority when the serious leaks first

09:29:21 appeared more than nine years ago now, just months after a

09:29:24 significant renovation project.

09:29:26 To put things in perspective, $1.5 million, that was the

09:29:30 original estimate for potential repair.

09:29:33 That's less than one tenth of one percent of the budget

09:29:37 council, you all, passed last summer.

09:29:40 It's less than one percent of the CIT budget you passed.

09:29:44 So it isn't that there is no money for capital improvements,

09:29:47 because there is money for Lloyd Jenkins pool there, was

09:29:49 money for Williams pool and there is now money to study and

09:29:53 plan a new future park which is terrific.

09:29:55 But there is no money to stabilize this historic WPA

09:29:59 structure, and clearly plan for its future.

09:30:02 And to be quite honest, that's surprising and remarkably

09:30:05 disappointing.

09:30:06 Our community, and more importantly the entire city,

09:30:09 deserves to have this jewel returned to public use.

09:30:12 The 4,000 kids that use and visit the facility in the summer

09:30:17 just before the pool closed should have access to this great

09:30:20 facility, and all the programming that went with it.

09:30:23 The same way the Davis islands residents will soon benefit

09:30:27 from the repair and restore of the Jenkins facility.

09:30:30 Thank you for keeping this issue alive and on the radar, but

09:30:33 enough is enough.

09:30:33 I strongly encourage you not only to allocate the necessary

09:30:36 funding to stabilize this historic structure in the upcoming

09:30:39 14-15 budget, but to implement an actionable strategy to get

09:30:44 this facility reopened to serve the community in a positive

09:30:46 way, to preserve Tampa's heritage and to celebrate our

09:30:49 city's rich cultural diversity.

09:30:52 No more what-if plans and know more delays.

09:30:54 Thank you.

09:30:54 (Bell sounds).

09:30:56 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.

09:30:56 Next, please.

09:30:57 >> My name is -- Johnson, galaxy fireworks here on item

09:31:06 number 4 that was pulled from the agenda, and I am asking

09:31:09 for that to be denied if possible.

09:31:12 This store has been allowed to operate the last seven months

09:31:15 without the proper permitting from the city fire marshal's

09:31:18 office.

09:31:19 I don't know what other business in the city would be

09:31:21 allowed to operate without the proper permitting.

09:31:24 The city attorney's office informed us yesterday that they

09:31:26 have been cited for violation of the permits not being

09:31:31 obtained, but that is going to allow them to continue to be

09:31:34 open in violation.

09:31:35 And open illegally.

09:31:38 I'm asking you to please do something about this.

09:31:40 >>FRANK REDDICK: Let me just raise a question to legal

09:31:47 department.

09:31:50 I think last time we met, we heard the speaker make some

09:31:55 similar comments.

09:31:56 Is it true or not that this company is operating without the

09:32:01 fire marshal signing off on this to prevent --

09:32:06 >>JULIA MANDELL: City attorney.

09:32:07 As you see from my memorandum, there is a pending code

09:32:10 enforcement action as it relates to the operation without

09:32:13 permits, and as a result of that pending code enforcement

09:32:16 action which is intended to be reviewed and heard and the

09:32:21 violations, the fact that there have been some threats of

09:32:26 judicial action taken against the city by the attorney for

09:32:28 phantom and you also happened to be in this room.

09:32:31 I think it would be more appropriate for me to brief you

09:32:34 individually as opposed to having this conversation in open

09:32:37 council forum.

09:32:38 >>FRANK REDDICK: Let me ask you, are they operating at this

09:32:40 time?

09:32:41 >>JULIA MANDELL: I understand they are operating.

09:32:44 >> Well, if there is all of this pending inquiry going on,

09:32:49 why are they allowed to operate?

09:32:52 >>JULIA MANDELL: Mr. Reddick, given the fact that we are in

09:32:54 several different potential judicial forum, I think it's

09:32:58 more appropriate for me to have that conversation with you

09:33:00 individually as opposed to in open council chambers.

09:33:04 >>FRANK REDDICK: Okay.

09:33:07 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Mrs. Capin?

09:33:09 >>YVONNE CAPIN: When did this come to light, the violations,

09:33:14 the pending litigation?

09:33:17 When did this come to light?

09:33:19 >>JULIA MANDELL: This is an ongoing thing since the

09:33:22 beginning of the year.

09:33:24 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Why weren't we individually informed before

09:33:26 today?

09:33:28 >>JULIA MANDELL: We don't typically inform you of these

09:33:32 matters.

09:33:32 Again, I would remind you, we have an attorney representing

09:33:36 phantom fireworks in the room right here.

09:33:38 We have several different judicial issues going on with this

09:33:41 case.

09:33:44 There are some complicating factors in it.

09:33:46 And I would request if you would like me to pursue it

09:33:48 individually that would be more appropriate than having this

09:33:50 conversation in open City Council chambers.

09:33:53 >>YVONNE CAPIN: June 4th this was brought forth May 5.

09:33:57 That's all I have got to say.

09:33:59 >>JULIA MANDELL: Again, council, I understand what your

09:34:01 point is but we had things come up on the agenda where

09:34:04 there's pending action and I bring you memos.

09:34:09 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Mr. Cohen and Mr. Suarez.

09:34:10 >>HARRY COHEN: Thank you very much.

09:34:13 We all understand that when there are legal issues pending

09:34:19 that it might be better for you to talk to us in private,

09:34:22 and I'm sure that everyone will welcome that discussion.

09:34:27 We haven't gotten to item number 4 yet.

09:34:29 I think a 90-day continuance, though, seems to me to be very

09:34:34 excessive.

09:34:35 Once we have all heard whatever it is you have to tell us,

09:34:38 then maybe we can make a decision about whether or not to

09:34:43 put it off that long or bring it back here, because that was

09:34:47 the one thing I saw.

09:34:48 90 days is a long, long time.

09:34:50 >>JULIA MANDELL: The reason I put it at 90 days, this is in

09:34:53 a process which is -- this is not just a general code

09:34:57 enforcement in front of the Code Enforcement Board.

09:34:59 This is within a judicial municipal violation process.

09:35:03 I wanted to have enough time for us to know it was going to

09:35:06 get through that process.

09:35:08 If you want me to come back sooner, I don't have a problem

09:35:10 with that and if it's still pending I will advice you of

09:35:13 that as well.

09:35:14 >>HARRY COHEN: I think these private conversations need to

09:35:16 take place quickly and then we can make a collective

09:35:19 decision about whether or not to bring it forward sooner, or

09:35:22 to put it off.

09:35:23 >>JULIA MANDELL: As it remains pending, P, and I think this

09:35:29 is all procedure, while it remains pending, it is a pending

09:35:33 legal matter, in a judicial forum, and under your rules of

09:35:37 procedure it is not appropriate to have these conversations,

09:35:40 again, in front of City Council, if it remains pending

09:35:43 that's going to be the advice that I continue to give.

09:35:45 If you want me to come back in a shorter time frame to

09:35:48 advise you of that I don't have any problem with that.

09:35:50 I will leave that to council and also go ahead and meet with

09:35:53 you individually next week.

09:35:55 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Before I go to Mr. Suarez -- and I hope

09:35:58 you finished -- I would entertain a motion from the council

09:36:02 member when these two fine council members speak regarding a

09:36:05 30-day extension, and the first two weeks of the 30 days for

09:36:10 yourself or your staff to meet with individual council

09:36:13 members one on one.

09:36:14 Mr. Suarez.

09:36:14 >>MARTIN SHELBY: It was referenced to council rules and I

09:36:19 want to make it clear what they are, remind you that council

09:36:24 should avoid any discussion of matters at a public meeting

09:36:26 where the city is or likely to be a party in litigation

09:36:29 without concurrence of council.

09:36:31 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.

09:36:32 Mr. Suarez and Ms. Montelione.

09:36:33 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Let me ask you a hypothetical question.

09:36:36 If there is a business operating that is outside of state

09:36:39 statute, what do we usually do in terms of that?

09:36:43 I mean, as an example, if we know that this particular --

09:36:50 this hypothetical is somewhat going against state law, and

09:36:52 it's been brought to our attention -- do we then enforce

09:36:56 that state law based on those conditions?

09:36:58 Or what do we usually do?

09:37:02 >>JULIA MANDELL: I can answer that hypothetical by

09:37:04 answering --

09:37:05 >>MIKE SUAREZ: It was a hypothetical so you can answer.

09:37:08 >>JULIA MANDELL: Depends on the statute, depends on what

09:37:10 the violation is, and also will tell you this particular

09:37:13 statute at issue is a little bit more complicated than what

09:37:16 you would typically see in these kinds of circumstances,

09:37:19 which is again why I asked for this to be continued.

09:37:22 And things come in front of Code Enforcement Board come up

09:37:25 here all the time and I ask for similar matters and now that

09:37:29 I understand City Council would like to be briefed

09:37:30 individually I will go ahead and ask my assistant to set it

09:37:33 up as soon as possible.

09:37:34 >>MIKE SUAREZ: The question is still not answered on my

09:37:37 hypothetical, which is, there is a state statute that's been

09:37:41 passed, rules have been brought down by the state governing

09:37:45 board, that rules over that particular business.

09:37:48 How do we go about citing them or finding them for a

09:37:54 violation of state statute?

09:37:55 What's the process?

09:37:59 >>JULIA MANDELL: It depends on the statute because some of

09:38:01 the areas are ones which the Tampa Police Department has

09:38:04 authority over.

09:38:05 Typically, your code enforcement actions don't have

09:38:07 authority over it.

09:38:09 The state attorney's office has authority --

09:38:12 >>MIKE SUAREZ: If I could interrupt for a second that's the

09:38:15 reason for the question, which is it's not a normal code

09:38:17 enforcement violation, and again -- I know it depends of the

09:38:22 everything depends.

09:38:23 But this is why hypotheticals are not usually useful except

09:38:27 in public forums while we can't talk about particular cases.

09:38:30 So having said all of that, I understand where you are at.

09:38:33 I understand the problems that you have.

09:38:34 But here is the problem.

09:38:36 And I am going to get off the hypothetical for just a

09:38:38 second, is that you can have a violator, then hold back

09:38:41 where the biggest time of the year for the sale of this

09:38:46 particular property is coming up.

09:38:48 So continuance actually helps the violator.

09:38:50 I know that's not your concern.

09:38:53 You are looking only at the legal aspects of it.

09:38:55 But that's the real result of this.

09:38:58 If there is no injunctive action that we can take as a city

09:39:02 for someone to not continue to violate, you know, the law,

09:39:06 or at least come to a decision about it, it makes our

09:39:11 enforcement aspects moot for the future, because they can

09:39:17 keep legislating and we can keep adjudicating until

09:39:21 doomsday.

09:39:22 These what they did in the civil rights movement, and

09:39:25 segregationalists would pass a different law and made

09:39:28 everybody think they were doing something good when in fact

09:39:30 they weren't.

09:39:31 I don't need an answer from you.

09:39:32 I know you are in a very specific type of bind, but that's

09:39:36 the issue that I have, which is, when does city rules in

09:39:41 relation to state law kick in for us to have an enforcement

09:39:44 aspect of it without a corresponding bad actor,

09:39:50 hypothetically, going out there and continuing to violate

09:39:53 the law?

09:39:53 That's the only question I have.

09:39:55 And I understand why you can't answer.

09:39:57 Thank you, chair.

09:39:57 >>HARRY COHEN: Councilwoman Montelione.

09:40:02 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Mrs. Mandell, though I didn't speak to

09:40:05 you on this matter last night, I did speak to Chief Forward,

09:40:09 and my main concern was the life safety issue.

09:40:12 Just for our knowledge and the general public, can you

09:40:15 answer that part of the question?

09:40:17 Is there a life safety issue related to the inspections and

09:40:24 the volatile nature of the content?

09:40:31 >>JULIA MANDELL: I will tell you that as of today I have

09:40:34 not been informed by the fire marshal's office that there is

09:40:37 any life safety issue at this particular establishment.

09:40:41 And you are going to have to let me kind of keep going

09:40:43 because the attorney for phantom is sitting in the room

09:40:46 which is why I was a little concerned about having this

09:40:48 conversation.

09:40:49 I can't tell you in the future that there won't be a life

09:40:51 safety issue, and I want to make sure that all rights are

09:40:54 reserved, that if there's a life safety issue we have other

09:40:57 options that could potentially be available.

09:40:58 >>LISA MONTELIONE: That is my main concern at the moment,

09:41:03 is the safety of the individuals be working in the store,

09:41:06 who visit the store, and who live near the store.

09:41:09 >>JULIA MANDELL: And as I said, as of this time, I have not

09:41:14 been informed that there is that type of issue.

09:41:16 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Understood.

09:41:18 Mr. Shelby, in the rules of procedure that you reference,

09:41:23 since this is pending litigation, rather than having

09:41:25 individual briefings, could we have a shade meeting?

09:41:29 And then this way everyone can be briefed at once?

09:41:33 >>MARTIN SHELBY: The statute doesn't provide that because

09:41:34 there isn't anything filed yet.

09:41:36 >>JULIA MANDELL: It's actually filed but it has to be

09:41:40 something where the city attorney is coming to get direction

09:41:42 as relates to potential settlement or strategy, and it is

09:41:45 not ripe for that at this time which is why I would prefer

09:41:48 to start with individual meetings to discuss that.

09:41:50 That's what the statute clearly provides for, is that it is

09:41:54 the city attorney wanting to come to the body for the

09:41:57 purposes of either asking for settlement authority or

09:41:59 direction on strategy, and it's too early in this matter to

09:42:04 ask for that of City Council.

09:42:06 >>LISA MONTELIONE: The settlement part doesn't apply but I

09:42:08 thought maybe the strategy portion was.

09:42:10 >>JULIA MANDELL: We are honestly not there yet.

09:42:12 I had asked for those types of meetings when I have looked

09:42:15 for some kind of strategy.

09:42:17 But at this point we are not there yet.

09:42:19 But I again think, now -- again, when the matter comes up we

09:42:27 don't always know this is something City Council wants to be

09:42:29 briefed on.

09:42:30 Now that I know that I will be making those appointments

09:42:32 with you as soon as possible.

09:42:33 >>HARRY COHEN: Councilman Reddick.

09:42:36 >>FRANK REDDICK: I want to make a motion.

09:42:38 I think it's important that we be briefed, because this has

09:42:41 been going on since December from the research I have done

09:42:45 on it.

09:42:46 Personally, it doesn't smell good.

09:42:51 But I am going to make a motion that legal report back to us

09:42:54 on 30 days and within those 30 days that legal meet with

09:42:59 each individual council member to give us a briefing on the

09:43:02 status of the particular issue.

09:43:04 >> Second.

09:43:05 >>HARRY COHEN: We have a motion from Councilman Reddick,

09:43:08 with two competing seconds from Councilwoman Montelione and

09:43:12 Councilwoman Mulhern.

09:43:13 We will give to the Councilwoman Montelione.

09:43:16 But the motion was for 30 days, without a date certain

09:43:21 attached to it.

09:43:21 I believe that falls within our break.

09:43:24 So could we set it for June 26th with the idea that

09:43:28 after the meetings we can always come back to it in our next

09:43:32 meeting?

09:43:35 Okay.

09:43:35 So we have a motion on the floor for a staff report on June

09:43:38 26th at 9:00 a.m.

09:43:41 Motion by Councilman Reddick.

09:43:43 Seconded by Councilwoman Montelione.

09:43:45 All in favor indicate by saying aye.

09:43:47 Opposed?

09:43:48 Okay.

09:43:54 Mr. Chair, you are back.

09:43:55 >> Michael farmer, East Tampa.

09:44:02 I'm here to talk with you about the 22nd street stop sign.

09:44:06 I was contacted -- I contacted the City of Tampa

09:44:10 transportation department, the D.O.T., because it's a State

09:44:14 Road, and traffic on 22nd street, I notice the stop sign in

09:44:23 the sentinel newspaper backed up traffic at the roundabout

09:44:28 which about a million dollar, it backed it up so the stop

09:44:34 sign stops at the roundabout from working.

09:44:36 Okay?

09:44:37 And I'm just -- Mr. Reddick, Councilwoman Miller, they went

09:44:47 to D.O.T. and had them replace the stop sign after D.O.T.

09:44:50 removed the stop sign so the roundabout could work.

09:44:54 Now, I don't think this is right.

09:44:59 You know, we spent money for road designs and everything to

09:45:05 make this thing work.

09:45:06 And yet him and the rest of them demanded D.O.T. to change

09:45:15 those stop signs back.

09:45:16 I personally don't think that no color, black, white, brown,

09:45:21 et cetera, any race nor any community nor any elected

09:45:24 political official should have the ability to demand or

09:45:30 enforce D.O.T. in matters of State Roadway travel for the

09:45:35 public which is all races and colors.

09:45:39 22nd street is paid by public and federal tax dollars, and

09:45:46 when leaders seek to control D.O.T. to violate the rights of

09:45:50 the public which has nothing to do with the stop sign or

09:45:53 traffic light, those political leaders are in fact sending a

09:45:56 message that the black community to drive in, sooner or

09:46:01 later poem and businesses will help to develop in the black

09:46:03 community because black political leaders have too much

09:46:07 influence over D.O.T. on state roads that lead into or

09:46:14 through our community, and that power that they may have

09:46:17 will adversely affect businesses to do business.

09:46:21 22nd street has historically been a one-way path to 21st

09:46:27 Avenue.

09:46:28 Now, Ms. Read and the rest of them, a guy almost got hit

09:46:35 because there's a stop sign.

09:46:38 I'm telling you right now I got in an accident.

09:46:40 I have -- it's not AP accident of what goes on down there.

09:46:48 I'm just trying to help solve a problem.

09:46:49 So when we spent all of this money for a roundabout, cost a

09:46:54 million dollars, approximately $4 million from Lake Avenue

09:46:57 all the way up to 1st street, a traffic calming device,

09:47:02 a stop sign, another traffic --

09:47:04 (Bell sounds).

09:47:06 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.

09:47:06 >> -- should not be.

09:47:09 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.

09:47:09 Next, please.

09:47:10 >>> My name is Ingrid Smith, 605 north pawn knee Avenue here

09:47:26 to speak on 5, 6, 8 and 10.

09:47:29 Basically, pretty much with Kim.

09:47:36 In regard to 5,

09:47:41 Proceed with caution.

09:47:42 We already have rules in place regarding noise and alcohol.

09:47:44 And it needs to be enforced before creating another layer.

09:47:49 We have neighborhoods that will have where several household

09:47:55 get together, and get hit with a $1,000 fine.

09:48:05 And hopefully Cuscaden park can finally see some care.

09:48:15 And this is the first time that if you are trying to go

09:48:19 northbound, and you were between 275 and Hillsborough River,

09:48:23 you could not pass.

09:48:26 Florida Avenue became totally impassable.

09:48:29 Central Avenue became impassable.

09:48:31 So did Highland and OLA.

09:48:33 You cannot get across.

09:48:36 There's a laundromat.

09:48:37 If you look at the line it's about halfway up their yard on

09:48:41 there.

09:48:41 People are cutting through the neighborhoods, and finally

09:48:43 just waited it out.

09:48:47 So it's the first time we have seen it pop up since the

09:48:53 previous rainy season and I talked to stormwater asking if

09:48:56 they would consider cleaning out the pipes which I have

09:48:59 never seen them do as far as the runoff that goes down to

09:49:02 the river.

09:49:03 But even Nebraska Avenue had some restrictions at Comanche,

09:49:11 at central, Florida, and Highland, you cannot go north or

09:49:14 south unless you are on the interstate.

09:49:18 And the alternative design exception, this is in regard to

09:49:26 notices.

09:49:33 Something happens with the system.

09:49:38 We received notice in our neighborhood after the fact that

09:49:40 the design has been approved, but also it's been brought up

09:49:43 with staff for the wet zoning.

09:49:48 Somehow, got back into the notification, not necessarily

09:49:53 having a hearing, but trying to do something with getting

09:49:57 proper notification to those who are impacted, affected, you

09:50:01 know, where there may be some issues there.

09:50:03 Thank you.

09:50:05 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.

09:50:05 Anyone else who has not spoken that would care to speak at

09:50:07 this time to this council during this time?

09:50:11 I see no one else.

09:50:12 Okay.

09:50:13 We go to item number 1.

09:50:19 Rebuilding together Tampa Bay.

09:50:21 >> Thank you for the opportunity to be in front of you,

09:50:26 especially council members Capin, thank you for the

09:50:31 invitation --

09:50:32 >> What's your name, sir?

09:50:34 >> I'm sorry.

09:50:35 Jose Garcia, Executive Director, rebuilding together Tampa

09:50:40 Bay.

09:50:40 Sorry.

09:50:40 We have a PowerPoint presentation for you just to make sure

09:50:43 that we don't miss anything and plan to keep on schedule.

09:50:51 We are volunteers rebuilding together to make a positive

09:50:54 impact in the lives of homeowners, the building together has

09:51:00 been created in 2000.

09:51:03 We are going to be our 15th anniversary next year and we

09:51:09 provide rebirth and rehab for homeowners, although also to

09:51:14 provide affordable housing opportunity for first-time home

09:51:18 buyers.

09:51:21 So the three main outcomes of what we do, right now in the

09:51:27 City of Tampa, to create affordable housing through

09:51:35 rehabbing properties, the state owned properties and

09:51:39 building new houses as well as creating job opportunities

09:51:41 for supplies, and that allows us to do great work in our

09:51:50 community.

09:51:50 All right.

09:51:51 So the homeowners that we help, we help families with

09:51:58 children, elderly persons, persons with disability, and our

09:52:02 veterans.

09:52:03 They are come back.

09:52:03 They need to have their house repaired.

09:52:05 We are trying to make it as accessible as possible for them.

09:52:10 All of the work that we do from minor repairs all the way to

09:52:14 new homes, in between, you see all of the bars that tell us

09:52:18 what we do.

09:52:18 Some of them are basically to get homeowners back, invest in

09:52:24 our communities, especially the City of Tampa.

09:52:29 All right?

09:52:30 So these are the neighborhoods that we are working right

09:52:32 now.

09:52:34 In Sulphur Springs, we provide residential rehab, and we are

09:52:38 part of the seven houses out of the eleven in Sulphur

09:52:44 Springs.

09:52:48 We should have three more by the mid July.

09:52:51 In addition to doing rehab around those houses, Tampa

09:52:55 Heights is a big, big neighborhood that we have invested

09:53:02 $900,000 from 2013 to today.

09:53:05 In conjunction with the county, we do Palm River, doing

09:53:10 rehab the last three years.

09:53:14 West Tampa, we have been doing work there especially since

09:53:17 2009 when where we had 22 homes there during the Super Bowl

09:53:23 event, and then St. Petersburg, bar Bartlett park and

09:53:29 Campbell park.

09:53:30 We make impact in neighborhoods.

09:53:32 Once we make that big impact we move to the next one to help

09:53:35 more homeowners.

09:53:37 Sulphur Springs, again, we have 43 homes so far, rehab.

09:53:42 We have ten more to go.

09:53:43 And we are looking to complete seven new houses, and of

09:53:48 course looking to do more in the years to come.

09:53:54 Where we have been making impact, some of them have been new

09:53:56 homes, some of them rebuilt, and some about to be completed.

09:53:59 You can see the impact that we are making right now there.

09:54:06 These are photos of our volunteers there.

09:54:10 This is our new houses where we are part of the Nehemiah

09:54:14 project.

09:54:15 We are lucky to have the mayor attending one of the houses

09:54:20 to see what is happening, and welcome to come back whenever

09:54:24 you have time.

09:54:25 We know you are very busy but you are welcome to stop by.

09:54:32 We have an incredible event.

09:54:34 Thank you very much for council members who were able to

09:54:37 attend with one of the celebrities, the sponsor for this

09:54:46 project.

09:54:47 If you remember, we were part of the rehab of the future

09:54:54 home headquarters for the Tampa Heights.

09:54:59 Preservation on the homes, from where it was to where it is

09:55:03 today, our new home that was in West Tampa, MacFarlane park,

09:55:08 new Homers here, and how we break all of our incomes and

09:55:14 resources from public-private funding through skilled

09:55:19 trades, professionals, takes everybody to make this happen,

09:55:22 especially volunteers, who are very important.

09:55:25 We really care about them and their sponsorship and when

09:55:32 they came to do the work as the association.

09:55:38 Our sponsors from banks to private corporations, all are

09:55:45 there, and we are very grateful to them as well.

09:55:48 Jobs.

09:55:49 We create jobs.

09:55:54 Within the construction industry.

09:55:56 We want to make sure that everybody has the ability to be

09:55:58 part of our project.

09:56:01 We do everything by the code and with permits and we

09:56:03 guarantee the job that it should be.

09:56:06 When we started with the staff in 2006, from 2012 to 2014,

09:56:18 and to project new buildings.

09:56:21 So he would continue growing that agency.

09:56:26 Our volunteers, having a good time with them.

09:56:31 And I think I am running out of time.

09:56:34 (Bell sounds)

09:56:35 More volunteer work.

09:56:37 Thank you.

09:56:50 Thank you so much.

09:56:50 >>MIKE SUAREZ: All I have to say is, you know, if there's

09:57:00 any problems with the building the home, I didn't touch me

09:57:08 with the chainsaw.

09:57:11 [ Laughter ]

09:57:14 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you, Mr. Garcia.

09:57:20 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Appreciate it very much.

09:57:21 Mrs. Capin.

09:57:23 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Tell me a little about your partnership with

09:57:25 the city and the Nehemiah project.

09:57:27 How does that work?

09:57:29 >> You know, we are very grateful to the city and all of you

09:57:31 but especially our partnership with the community and

09:57:34 housing development department.

09:57:37 We started with the working with the rehab project.

09:57:40 We have been receiving CDBG funds since about 2011 and we

09:57:45 have several rehab properties.

09:57:47 Sulphur Springs is one target neighborhood to get started

09:57:51 with from 2009.

09:57:55 Our general contractor, we have a new general contractor

09:57:58 that qualified, certified general contractor.

09:58:01 We used to be certified CDC and he was already doing the

09:58:07 work for the city for the seven houses of Nehemiah project.

09:58:10 So we went back to the city.

09:58:13 To provide the administration component and provide all for

09:58:19 general contractors to make it happen.

09:58:20 And they realized that there was a good partnership, and the

09:58:24 fact that many of our suppliers, the quality and the pricing

09:58:30 that he would need to make this project as affordable as

09:58:34 possible.

09:58:34 So we have increased in many ways the outcome of these

09:58:37 houses.

09:58:37 For example, we have to have information that the house is

09:58:44 more energy efficient for the homeowners.

09:58:47 We are exploring in that way.

09:58:53 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I attended a couple of meetings and I was

09:58:54 invited to Kathy Castor's office about these projects and

09:58:59 these neighborhoods.

09:59:00 And when you spoke, it really hit home as to the partnership

09:59:08 that we needed to have.

09:59:09 So I appreciate you being here, and I appreciate the work

09:59:12 that you are doing.

09:59:13 >> Thank you very much once again for the opportunity for

09:59:17 everyone to work with us.

09:59:19 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.

09:59:19 We appreciate it.

09:59:20 We go to requests for public reconsideration of any

09:59:23 legislative matters.

09:59:28 I see none.

09:59:29 We go to staff reports.

09:59:30 And I am going to ask the department to hold number 2 while

09:59:33 I go to number 3, since Mr. Forward has been here all

09:59:39 morning and I want him to get to work with one of the finest

09:59:43 fire departments, rescue in the state, maybe the nation.

09:59:46 Item number 3.

09:59:47 I will hold 2 for one second here.

09:59:49 >> Chief Tom Forward: City of Tampa's emergency manager

09:59:56 here to speak to the alert Tampa.

09:59:57 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I believe he's waiting for me to ask

10:00:05 questions.

10:00:09 What it is I wanted to have the chief talk to us about this

10:00:11 morning is the process by which the alert Tampa system

10:00:17 works, and how we can getter -- better community with the

10:00:23 citizens in times of not only -- we are in hurricane season

10:00:28 right now, but outside of hurricane season, seeing that

10:00:31 storms are becoming more unpredictable happening in times

10:00:36 that we don't expect them to happen, and they are getting

10:00:39 stronger because of the climate change that's going on.

10:00:43 It's not just us but, you know, two weeks before, I think

10:00:47 the day before we had the storm on May 2nd, which was a

10:00:51 500 year flood event, considered an abnormality, Pensacola

10:00:57 was hit as well.

10:00:58 So it's not just us but all over the state.

10:01:02 And so can you talk to us a little bit about how we inform

10:01:05 our citizens to be safe in those conditions?

10:01:09 >> Thank you, Councilwoman Montelione.

10:01:11 Obviously, our notification system for the City of Tampa is

10:01:14 the alert Tampa program, and with that, that program is --

10:01:21 the City of Tampa and fire chief, that's the system that we

10:01:24 took in here as City of Tampa in order to notify any of our

10:01:29 citizens, any of our community, anybody that has interest in

10:01:33 the City of Tampa, to make them aware of any type of pending

10:01:37 issues that might be an issue of concern that would impact

10:01:41 them, their daily lives, daily travel, from their

10:01:46 communities where they may live, with respect to that.

10:01:49 And to speak specifically to Councilwoman Montelione, very

10:01:57 careful with respect to how we deploy Alert Tampa.

10:02:04 We have to be careful that the information we are going to

10:02:07 communicate has imminent threats and danger to the community

10:02:10 we are going to be dealing with.

10:02:11 Weather systems in Florida are what they are.

10:02:13 We have a very, very different type of pattern of weather

10:02:19 here, and we have to be careful about how we communicate

10:02:22 alerts, vice versa, what the National Weather Service and

10:02:27 our local meteorologists are going to be doing.

10:02:30 That said, when we have an imminent threat of a significant

10:02:33 system that's going to impact our community, you can rest

10:02:37 assured that we are not only following, taking that

10:02:40 information from the National Weather Service, from the

10:02:43 National Hurricane Center, but all the local meteorologists

10:02:47 with respect to be how we are going to communicate that to

10:02:49 the public.

10:02:51 Now, again, my cautionary point is that we will not

10:02:55 communicate everything with respect to a weather system

10:03:00 because when know that those are hit and miss most of the

10:03:02 time.

10:03:03 Alert Tampa, when any department head uses that system to

10:03:07 alert our communities, or alert those persons that have an

10:03:10 interest in the City of Tampa, we want to be certain that

10:03:14 what we are going to communicate to them to those affected

10:03:18 persons, they listen to us and they pay particular attention

10:03:21 to it. If we made an alert to every incident that might be

10:03:24 out there, sooner or later, people are going to stop

10:03:28 listening to us, and they are going to stop listening to

10:03:31 that mass notification system, and it's going to be

10:03:38 insignificant.

10:03:38 How we address people, what we do, again as I said,

10:03:43 significant information that's pretty detailed, that it's

10:03:47 going to have an imminent threat to a community, to a

10:03:49 roadway, you can rest assured that the City of Tampa,

10:03:53 through the mayor's office, will make that happen.

10:03:55 We are going to make that notification alert.

10:03:57 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Thank you, chief.

10:03:59 And, you know, we had a quite lengthy conversation about

10:04:03 this, and my concern, what prompted my concern was with that

10:04:09 storm that occurred on May 2nd was the National Weather

10:04:14 Service had pushed out a flood alert, and that anybody who

10:04:20 has a cell phone probably got that alert because it's

10:04:25 generated by the National Weather Service, if you have a

10:04:28 smart phone you are going to get that alert.

10:04:31 I didn't receive the alert Tampa instructions until about

10:04:37 three hours later.

10:04:39 And that was a concern to me.

10:04:42 However, in our conversation, as we were doing some research

10:04:45 and looking around, I did get a tweet from the City of Tampa

10:04:52 before the National Weather Service sent the flood alert

10:04:56 out.

10:04:56 So it seems to be some inconsistency with the communication

10:05:02 with the public.

10:05:04 Now, personally, you know, I would rather get the

10:05:07 information ahead of time.

10:05:10 So the 10:00 tweet was great, but the 3:00 alert Tampa

10:05:16 notice was way late in the day to have that reach the

10:05:22 public.

10:05:23 So I guess what I am looking for, you know, in the future is

10:05:27 better coordination, alternative ways of communication

10:05:30 rather than just the alert Tampa, using the City of Tampa's

10:05:34 Twitter account, because last time we had you here -- I

10:05:38 don't remember if anybody remembers how long ago it was when

10:05:40 we talked about alert Tampa --

10:05:44 >> 2010.

10:05:45 April.

10:05:46 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Thank you.

10:05:49 It was discussed then that we didn't have a lot of people

10:05:53 signed up or not nearly enough people signed up for alert

10:05:56 Tampa.

10:05:57 But, you know, in my experience with social media, and

10:06:03 people around the world even with social media, is that news

10:06:08 travels fast.

10:06:10 So I can disseminate it.

10:06:14 City of Tampa send out a tweet.

10:06:16 I can send it out, retweet it, and people who aren't even

10:06:20 signed up for the City of Tampa's alerts will get it.

10:06:23 So just looking to maybe move into the 21st century.

10:06:28 >> Chief Forward: As you communicated earlier, in the

10:06:32 discussion, the tweet, the City of Tampa's tweet did come

10:06:36 out that we were having a system that was going to come

10:06:38 down.

10:06:39 Because the City of Tampa does not house the requisite

10:06:43 technology to track all type of systems and know what they

10:06:47 are going to do, we are always at the mercy of what the

10:06:49 weather system is actually going to do.

10:06:51 We don't know it's going to move into our area, stall.

10:06:55 Obviously if we have a major system that's dropping heavy

10:06:59 water, condensation, we know in the City of Tampa we are

10:07:02 probably going to have some flooding, and there are going to

10:07:04 be certain areas that are going to flood.

10:07:07 So we will be more proactive in those things.

10:07:10 The system that we have will work.

10:07:12 The mayor has a very ambitious campaign in our community to

10:07:17 residents sign up for alert Tampa.

10:07:19 If you have any interest whatsoever in this community, sign

10:07:22 up for that, even if you don't live in Tampa.

10:07:26 You will also get the alert of what's going to happen, how

10:07:29 it will impact this community.

10:07:31 >>LISA MONTELIONE: My suggestion would be to have another

10:07:33 Twitter account that's an alert Tampa Twitter.

10:07:36 So it's alert Tampa, and you can sign up whether you prefer

10:07:38 to get in the e-mail, or whether you prefer to get it in

10:07:41 social media.

10:07:42 So this way the public has a choice of how they want to

10:07:46 participate in the alert Tampa system.

10:07:49 And it's free.

10:07:51 What's better than?

10:07:53 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Ms. Capin.

10:07:55 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I'm curious about the process, because Chief

10:07:58 Forward, this is your call, correct?

10:08:03 >> Yes, ma'am.

10:08:04 >>YVONNE CAPIN: When you make this call to the mayor's

10:08:06 office, it goes to the public affairs director?

10:08:10 >> It goes to the --

10:08:12 >>YVONNE CAPIN: And then how -- what kind of urgency are?

10:08:16 Is there a different kind of urgency that you can give her S

10:08:20 so that is correct she knows to be out right away or three

10:08:24 hours later?

10:08:25 >> No, ma'am, almost invariably, she gets a call from

10:08:28 myself, fire chief, or the police chief, Chief Castor.

10:08:32 She almost -- she gets the information directly from the

10:08:36 department head.

10:08:37 She goes ahead and makes the contact with the dispatch

10:08:40 center, and they go ahead and send that notification out.

10:08:44 >>YVONNE CAPIN: So it's opposed to be immediate?

10:08:46 >> It's pretty immediate.

10:08:47 Pretty immediate.

10:08:49 Obviously, she's going to make certain that the mayor is

10:08:52 aware of this as well, so that he can -- we make certain

10:08:56 that he is into the communication for continuity, and then

10:09:01 she moves, but it's not a prolonged period of time from the

10:09:05 time it is given to her.

10:09:07 >>YVONNE CAPIN: So she makes sure that the mayor knows.

10:09:09 And if the mayor is at a luncheon, she still let's them

10:09:12 know?

10:09:12 >> Whether it's a public works session, whether it's a

10:09:18 sewage break, whether it's a road out.

10:09:21 >>YVONNE CAPIN: That's perfect.

10:09:21 Thank you.

10:09:22 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Mr. Suarez?

10:09:23 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Chief, quick question about -- there's a

10:09:28 couple things happening now.

10:09:29 June 1st was the beginning of hurricane season.

10:09:31 Because of my other profession, I'm acutely aware of it.

10:09:35 Over the last five years the National Weather Service has

10:09:37 said we are going to have increased activity of hurricanes.

10:09:40 We have not.

10:09:41 This year, they said they are going to have less activity,

10:09:45 and now I am scared, okay?

10:09:49 [ Laughter ]

10:09:50 The last was almost about ten years, nine years ago, 2005

10:09:54 when we had a significant amount of activity concerning

10:09:57 hurricanes, and things have changed in nine years.

10:10:00 Mrs. Montelione has mentioned about alert Tampa.

10:10:02 Some of the things that we can do, electronically that we

10:10:07 couldn't do before.

10:10:08 The question I have is this.

10:10:09 When you have, in our industry, we have, you know, when it

10:10:12 in the box, when there's a tropical storm in the box, and

10:10:15 for people that don't know that, it is the longitude and

10:10:17 latitude of the direction that's just west of the Tampa Bay

10:10:20 area, and just south or just north.

10:10:23 So what they do is, insurance companies say, you cannot

10:10:27 write property insurance when it's in the box.

10:10:29 And I think that a lot of times, it's overkill.

10:10:33 Now, in the industry, they want to make sure that you don't

10:10:36 do anything because they don't want to have to cover for

10:10:38 losses for new properties.

10:10:39 But I think that we may want to, if this isn't already part

10:10:43 of it, have a process that when a tropical storm is there,

10:10:49 in the box, but is about to become a hurricane, or may stop

10:10:52 being a tropical storm, that we have to maybe identify that.

10:10:56 I know that you as part of the emergency response system are

10:11:00 going to coordinate with the county, the emergency response

10:11:03 centers, you know, be activated, once we are at that point

10:11:07 where we need to get everyone on call.

10:11:10 Is there a way -- and maybe you can put this as a proceed to

10:11:17 alert folks when they are going to be alerted because

10:11:20 there's going to be emergency on the news, there's something

10:11:24 better for a local news station than the naming of a

10:11:27 tropical storm or hurricane, because they will beat the hell

10:11:31 out of that name forever.

10:11:32 But maybe there's a way to also alert, once that happens, to

10:11:39 where to go, if you have to be evacuated.

10:11:41 You know, what those evacuation routes may be, because it

10:11:45 all depends on the direction of the storm, and I know that

10:11:47 you have got to have some kind of scenario before you start

10:11:52 activating it.

10:11:53 And I don't have a time frame in terms of when to do it.

10:11:56 But just be cognizant of that.

10:11:58 I think that we can use alert Tampa a lot more efficiently,

10:12:01 a lot more effectively in terms of what that news is, so

10:12:04 that people do know that maybe it shouldn't be on the roads,

10:12:07 people know that there may be flooding in certain areas.

10:12:10 I think if you live in South Tampa or certain areas of the

10:12:13 city you are going to know flooding.

10:12:18 But there's some poem that forget about it, you know.

10:12:20 And so I would just tell you that maybe just fine a way of

10:12:24 doing that procedure, especially on large tropical storms or

10:12:28 hurricanes so that we can be alerted as soon as possible.

10:12:30 >> We will definitely take that under advisement.

10:12:34 And obviously this year, the national weather system has

10:12:36 given up an additional 12th that they have on hurricane

10:12:43 and tropical storm watch and warning.

10:12:45 So it gives up a few more hours with which to make some

10:12:48 really, really informed decisions and to notify our public

10:12:52 about the significance of the system that's forming as well.

10:12:55 So basically to help them identify their evacuation route is

10:12:59 not an unreasonable request, but we would still strongly

10:13:03 urge all of our citizens in our community, which is why we

10:13:06 put so much emphasis into our hurricane Expo every year to

10:13:12 bring that public in, communicate to them the concerns that

10:13:15 they really need to take upon themselves, to make sure they

10:13:18 have the most safe and efficient they can -- you know, we

10:13:25 put more time, our communities put more time into what they

10:13:29 are going to prepare for the Thanksgiving feast, what gift

10:13:34 they are going to buy for Christmastime, than they do in

10:13:37 putting themselves in preparing for this hurricane, the

10:13:40 storm season.

10:13:41 So we really need to stress that for our community.

10:13:46 Nobody takes better care of them than ourselves.

10:13:49 We are here as a government to respond but they need some

10:13:55 type of preparedness.

10:13:57 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Chief, I think that last statement, no

10:13:59 one can be better prepared than yourself, and here is where

10:14:02 I come in, because I don't receive anything, that's how I

10:14:09 am.

10:14:10 I don't have anything in my phone bank.

10:14:13 If I call you call you it's memory I.don't want to say your

10:14:17 phone number because the public will be calling you.

10:14:19 But if you want to see what's happening, all you have to do

10:14:22 is look up, look out, see what the clouds are forming, we

10:14:28 had channel 49, 1919, national weather, the European mold,

10:14:32 U.S. model.

10:14:33 Guess what.

10:14:33 The European model is more correct than the U.S. model for

10:14:37 whatever reason.

10:14:37 Right now you have got that low pressure coming through the

10:14:40 Gulf of Campeche up to Mexico, and one model, that's the

10:14:44 U.S., is to the west side.

10:14:47 Most models from the European says they are going Pensacola

10:14:53 east -- I mean to the west side of that area of Pensacola,

10:14:57 back where it came from.

10:14:59 So if I don't see any activity or I see a person walking

10:15:07 their dog and the dog wants to go back home, there's rain

10:15:10 coming.

10:15:11 I see all of that.

10:15:12 I notice those things.

10:15:14 [ Laughter ]

10:15:15 If I don't see seagulls flying and if I don't see birds

10:15:19 chirping with my windows down, that means there's a storm

10:15:22 coming.

10:15:23 Because they know much more than we know.

10:15:25 And because they have got to survive that way.

10:15:28 When you have all this tax base where you can buy all the

10:15:32 equipment and set yourselves 7%, guess what happens.

10:15:36 The largest day is the day there's a storm coming or the

10:15:39 last day because you want to think about tomorrow, tomorrow,

10:15:43 tomorrow.

10:15:44 Well, tomorrow is here.

10:15:46 If you are in Florida, anywhere in Florida, from mid-may to

10:15:50 the end of November -- and I am a exaggerating on the days,

10:15:54 June 1st, you are going to be prepared for some type of

10:15:57 weather, and you are right.

10:16:00 Government is not your first resource.

10:16:02 The first resource is yourself.

10:16:04 And if I was in Oklahoma, I would be worrying about

10:16:07 tornadoes.

10:16:08 But I'm not.

10:16:09 I would be worried about hurricanes here or tropical or

10:16:13 named storms, whatever comes up.

10:16:14 But we appreciate all the effort that you are doing in your

10:16:17 department is doing, and for those that receive your

10:16:20 information, it's quick.

10:16:23 Maybe it's not as quick as anybody wants it, because we want

10:16:26 it pronto, right now.

10:16:27 And sometimes you sent out information ahead of what you

10:16:30 think is happening, and that information is incorrect.

10:16:33 So my advice is, I would rather get it a little bit later

10:16:36 and be correct than to have an update every five minutes,

10:16:40 because then you really get confused.

10:16:42 But thank you for what you do.

10:16:43 And we are very appreciative.

10:16:45 Council member Cohen.

10:16:46 >>HARRY COHEN: Thank you very much, Mr. Chair.

10:16:49 It's not normally customary for any of us to speak after the

10:16:53 chair, but the comments were so on point and they reminded

10:16:57 me of something you said at the beginning of your

10:16:59 presentation about making a judgment call about what you

10:17:02 should send out an alert about and what you should not.

10:17:05 Not wanting to overdo it with people.

10:17:07 And it occurred to me, you know, when you talk about big

10:17:10 events, hurricanes, major storm events, there are a lot of

10:17:15 different media outlets, and places where people get

10:17:19 information.

10:17:21 But when you are talking about a specific localized event,

10:17:25 particularly a street that is flooding very, very quickly,

10:17:29 those are the events where people are unlikely to get the

10:17:33 information from any other source.

10:17:35 And in terms of the types of calls that my office receives,

10:17:40 and all of our offices receive, it's the events that, you

10:17:45 know, a street is passible one minute, and ten minutes

10:17:50 later, it's so deep in water that the cars can no longer get

10:17:54 through.

10:17:55 I think that the alerts that tell people to avoid those

10:17:59 types of streets are probably the number one best use of our

10:18:04 resources, because they actually can force somebody to turn

10:18:10 right instead of turn left and perhaps not just save their

10:18:13 life but also save their car.

10:18:15 We get a lot of, you know, of feedback from individuals who

10:18:22 are very thankful that no one got hurt, but they have a lot

10:18:25 of property damage as a result of getting caught in an

10:18:28 unanticipated flooding event.

10:18:30 So thank you very, very much for your presentation today,

10:18:33 and hopefully everyone will heed Councilman Miranda's

10:18:37 warning and get prepared themselves for what we know is

10:18:40 coming this summer.

10:18:40 >> We went from the 21st to the 12th.

10:18:50 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.

10:18:50 I appreciate it very much.

10:18:54 Okay.

10:18:54 We go to item number 2.

10:18:56 And I apologize to our staff.

10:18:58 I had to get the chief back to work.

10:18:59 >>SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES: City clerk.

10:19:13 I'm here regarding item number 2, presentation, applicants

10:19:20 requesting position on the enterprise zone development

10:19:22 agency.

10:19:24 We have four vacancies and three incumbents asking to be

10:19:30 reappointed.

10:19:32 I don't know if any of them are here.

10:19:45 >> Good morning.

10:19:46 I'm Randy Smith.

10:19:48 I'm on the staff of Tampa Hillsborough EDC.

10:19:52 I'm director of research there.

10:19:55 I started with the EDC in February of 2010 and shortly

10:19:59 thereafter was appointed to a position on the EDC board.

10:20:05 Quite candidly it's been a learning experience from the

10:20:07 start, but it has also been rewarding to see how the

10:20:11 enterprise zone benefits businesses in our community.

10:20:14 As a Tampa resident of over 30 years, it's been exciting to

10:20:18 witness our area's economic growth, and its transition into

10:20:22 major business market that is now attracting companies such

10:20:25 as Bristol-Myers Squibb and Amazon.

10:20:29 Prior to June, the EDC, most of my professional career was

10:20:32 involved in commercial real estate here in the Tampa area.

10:20:36 During that time I was able to work with professionals as in

10:20:40 the real estate industry including brokers, property owners,

10:20:44 developers, and investors, who have contributed to our

10:20:47 business growth and brought new investment dollars into our

10:20:50 community.

10:20:53 One of my responsibilities at the EDC is providing site

10:20:56 selection assistance to companies looking to relocate or

10:20:59 expand here.

10:21:01 By becoming more knowledgeable about the enterprise zone and

10:21:04 its potential benefits for businesses, I'm better able to

10:21:08 assist companies that might be considering locations within

10:21:11 the enterprise zone.

10:21:14 The enterprise zone program is an important tool in

10:21:18 enhancing our local economy, but in order to make a

10:21:21 significant impact, I believe we must deliver a stronger

10:21:24 message throughout our community and beyond.

10:21:28 If selected to this board, I will use the position to

10:21:32 increase the audience for the enterprise zone and its

10:21:34 benefits.

10:21:36 Now, at the EDC we engage the business community.

10:21:39 We have opportunities to keep them updated on developments

10:21:41 in the enterprise zone, and also to provide feedback to the

10:21:45 board on how the program might be enhanced to better

10:21:49 accomplish its mission.

10:21:51 With this shared knowledge, I believe we will make the

10:21:53 enterprise zone more effective and better communicate its

10:21:57 benefits to businesses in our community.

10:21:59 And those looking to establish operations here.

10:22:03 I look forward to that opportunity.

10:22:05 And I appreciate your consideration.

10:22:07 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.

10:22:07 I appreciate it very much, sir.

10:22:09 Next, please.

10:22:09 >> Good morning council members.

10:22:14 My name is lance morally.

10:22:16 I previously have been serving on the enterprise zone

10:22:18 development agency since November of 2012.

10:22:22 A little bit about myself.

10:22:23 I'm originally from Jacksonville, and I matriculated to

10:22:27 Tampa, Florida in August 2009.

10:22:30 I am a local attorney, although I am not the attorney for

10:22:32 the phantom fireworks.

10:22:35 [ Laughter ]

10:22:40 >> You're appointed [ Laughter ]

10:22:41 >> I have been practicing in the area for five years, and am

10:22:45 always looking to be involved with community than in some

10:22:49 form or faction to be a benefit to the community as a whole.

10:22:53 I feel that the enter design zone agencies, after serving on

10:22:58 it since approximately November 2012, I would like to, if

10:23:03 afforded the opportunity, of course, take that chance and

10:23:06 actually become more involved, promote the EDC more so than

10:23:12 just a more sell benefit, for the city as a whole.

10:23:15 I believe Tampa is a city that is filled with potential and

10:23:18 I would like to help maximize that as a member of the

10:23:21 enterprise zone agency.

10:23:23 Thanks so much for your time.

10:23:25 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you, sir.

10:23:27 Anyone else?

10:23:29 There was three applicants for four positions.

10:23:31 So I think you can figure that one out.

10:23:33 >>SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES: The other applicant is Clinton

10:23:39 Robinson, and we have one vacancy.

10:23:41 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Move approval of the three applicants to the

10:23:47 board.

10:23:47 >> Second.

10:23:48 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion by Mr. Suarez, second by

10:23:50 Mr. Cohen.

10:23:50 Further discussion?

10:23:51 Mr. Suarez, you moved the resolution.

10:23:58 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I move the resolution approving and

10:24:02 ratifying and confirming the appointment of the three to

10:24:09 serve the City of Tampa administration.

10:24:12 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Motion by Mr. Suarez.

10:24:13 Second by Mr. Cohen.

10:24:14 Further discussion by council members?

10:24:15 All in favor of the motion?

10:24:17 Opposed?

10:24:17 The ayes have it unanimously.

10:24:19 >>SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES: Council, we will readvertise for

10:24:22 the other position.

10:24:23 I also want to mention that we have vacancies on the

10:24:28 affordable housing advisory committee, the Architectural

10:24:32 Review Commission, and the equal business opportunity

10:24:35 advisory council.

10:24:37 So we are looking for applicants.

10:24:39 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Let me say this.

10:24:42 I have seen some advertising on channel 15 to apply and I

10:24:45 appreciate it very much.

10:24:47 It's a pleasure to see those things.

10:24:49 You are doing a great job.

10:24:50 >>SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES: Thank you very much.

10:24:52 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Okay.

10:24:53 Item number 4.

10:24:54 I think that was touched on earlier.

10:24:56 And we were told that they would like to have a 30 day

10:25:01 extension instead of 90.

10:25:03 I think legally -- and I am not trying to play lawyer

10:25:05 here -- but the more we talk here, the harder it may be for

10:25:09 our own staff to represent us on the utmost highest level of

10:25:13 law enforcement.

10:25:15 So I need a motion for 30 days.

10:25:17 >>HARRY COHEN: We get it.

10:25:21 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Item 4 is done.

10:25:24 Item number 5.

10:25:24 >>REBECCA KERT: Legal department, here on item 5 to respond

10:25:32 to City Council's request that we look for ways to address

10:25:36 open house parties, in particular, Councilman Reddick had

10:25:39 put forward an ordinance from the city of Winter Park.

10:25:47 First of all as defined by state statute an open house

10:25:50 party, at a residence, where there is underage drinking

10:25:55 and/or drug use.

10:25:58 There is a state statute that deals with open house.

10:26:01 We did review that.

10:26:02 Then we looked to the Winter Park ordinance to see what the

10:26:05 Winter Park ordinance added that was not already in the

10:26:07 state statute.

10:26:08 And what we found is the Winter Park ordinance, as well as

10:26:12 my office, had discussions with the police, and the

10:26:16 attorneys for Winter Park, as well as discussion was our own

10:26:19 police department, is that the Winter Park ordinance

10:26:21 provided an opportunity to address -- speak redress from the

10:26:27 property owners rather than just an opportunity to deal with

10:26:29 whoever happened to be leasing or renting the house at the

10:26:31 time.

10:26:34 In our discussion was Winter Park they found that was an

10:26:37 effective tool, even if the -- especially when the landlords

10:26:41 are be a sen see landlords and may not be aware of the

10:26:44 situations in that area.

10:26:45 So we would like -- and we would recommend to you that we do

10:26:49 attempt to create an ordinance to incorporate that element.

10:26:54 The Winter Park ordinance, it doesn't fit, there are some

10:26:59 things that don't work for the systems that we have in

10:27:01 place, but we do think that is a good tool that we can

10:27:05 address to you.

10:27:06 In addition, when we were looking at the Winter Park

10:27:07 ordinance we started to look at some other ordinances across

10:27:09 the city and how they deal with the open house parties and

10:27:14 the situations and the problems that result from that, and

10:27:17 we found some other creative ideas that we have not had an

10:27:20 opportunity to fully vet with the police department, and the

10:27:23 other departments, but we think we would like to have the

10:27:25 opportunity to incorporate those, the Winter Park ordinance

10:27:28 and some of these other ideas that we come across from your

10:27:31 direction to look into this, to bring something back.

10:27:34 And we would ask for a few months to have a chance to draft

10:27:37 that and circulated it and Gitt it comments back.

10:27:41 You can bring it back for first reading oh are workshop,

10:27:43 whatever your pleasure is.

10:27:45 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have an order, Mrs. Montelione, Mr.

10:27:48 Reddick, Mrs. Mulhern.

10:27:49 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Mrs. Kert, could you briefly just

10:27:56 summarize the state statute?

10:27:57 Because I am not familiar with it.

10:27:59 We didn't have a briefing prior to this.

10:28:01 >>REBECCA KERT: Yes.

10:28:03 In short, the state statute defines an open house party as a

10:28:07 social gathering at a residence and prevents anyone who had

10:28:10 control of a resident from allowing an open house party, so

10:28:14 you can't have a party if you allow underage drinking or

10:28:17 minors using drugs and that is a first or second degree

10:28:22 misdemeanor depending upon circumstances.

10:28:26 >>LISA MONTELIONE: And you said, if I heard you correctly,

10:28:29 that whoever is in control of the property is the

10:28:33 responsible party, if they allow those behaviors?

10:28:38 >>REBECCA KERT: Understate statute.

10:28:39 >>LISA MONTELIONE: So how is it that you also said, you

10:28:43 know, just trying to do the best I can here listening, that

10:28:47 the Winter Park ordinance affords the ability to put the

10:28:52 property owner on the hook for whatever happens at that

10:28:59 property?

10:29:00 It sound ton me like the state statute already does that by

10:29:03 saying the party in control.

10:29:06 >>REBECCA KERT: The state statute criminalizes the behavior

10:29:12 the person in control of the property.

10:29:13 The Winter Park takes a different approach and allows for

10:29:16 some civil liability for a property owner if they directly

10:29:20 or indirectly allow this to happen.

10:29:22 And when you have an absentee property owner, you have

10:29:27 issues with whether or not you can hold them culpable with

10:29:30 whether or not they have notice.

10:29:31 That being said --

10:29:35 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Who is in control under the state

10:29:37 statute?

10:29:40 The property owner can say if they are be a sen see the that

10:29:43 they were not in control.

10:29:44 >> Correct, understood the state statute.

10:29:46 Winter Park provides notice the first time this happens, or

10:29:49 provides notice to the property owner. If the property

10:29:51 owner then continues to allow this behavior to occur, they

10:29:55 have been on notice.

10:29:57 If they continue to allow to the occur, then they can have

10:30:00 some liability.

10:30:00 >>LISA MONTELIONE: And similarly, we are looking at

10:30:04 ordinances that hold the property owner responsible under

10:30:09 our code enforcement issues, the sections of the code, and

10:30:16 we are kind of struggling with that, with rental inspections

10:30:19 and some other things that we have been trying to accomplish

10:30:24 probably for a couple of years now, and haven't been able

10:30:28 to.

10:30:29 So I guess I'm looking at this as mirroring that.

10:30:36 It's another attempt to hold property owners accountable for

10:30:40 what happens on their property, whether it's accumulations,

10:30:44 or noise, or, you know, all of the things that people can do

10:30:50 on their property, property owners, and their

10:30:53 representatives are looking at it as, well, you are

10:30:56 infringing on my property rights, and Florida is a very

10:31:00 strong property rights state.

10:31:01 So I have a little bit of struggle with that aspect of it.

10:31:10 The other issue that I had was that Winter Park population

10:31:13 is 28,924, and the land area is 8.7 miles.

10:31:19 The City of Tampa is population 347,645? 352 now?

10:31:31 These were 2012 numbers.

10:31:34 And has a land area of approximately 170.6 miles.

10:31:43 So there's a little bit of a difference between the

10:31:45 population of Winter Park and the population of the City of

10:31:47 Tampa.

10:31:49 So I think that this might, you know, come in to play a

10:31:53 little more often in Tampa than it would in Winter Park.

10:31:57 So I have concerns about having an ordinance, or having

10:32:02 ideas that are proposed in a teeny tiny little place in the

10:32:07 State of Florida to a major city.

10:32:13 The last issue that I have is, you know, in some

10:32:18 neighborhoods, folks just can't seem to get along, and in

10:32:23 certain instances, there might be neighbors that have a very

10:32:27 low tolerance, or there might be neighbors that just have a

10:32:30 grudge against somebody because they don't like the way they

10:32:32 wear their hair.

10:32:34 And we have people -- that wasn't a reference to you.

10:32:42 [ Laughter ]

10:32:44 They may not like your beard.

10:32:46 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Or my hair is on backwards.

10:32:52 >>LISA MONTELIONE: It worries me that we might have people

10:32:54 calling for, you know, reasons that they know now they can

10:33:00 get their neighbor in lots of trouble where before it would

10:33:03 just be a police call, they come out and talk and reason

10:33:06 with them and say please don't do this again, your neighbors

10:33:10 are complaining, and work things out.

10:33:11 But now they say, oh, well, you can really get them now

10:33:14 because, you know, they can get warnings and then have to

10:33:18 pay $1,000 under this ordinance.

10:33:21 So I wonder about the misapplication.

10:33:24 >>REBECCA KERT: We weren't necessarily prepared to listing

10:33:29 the Winter Park ordinance directly.

10:33:32 There are some things like the thousand dollar fine that

10:33:34 would not fit into the system that wove, and the Tampa

10:33:36 Police Department will still be the people that are called,

10:33:39 and still have the same discretion that they have today

10:33:43 under the state statute.

10:33:44 And if it's not working, the City Council doesn't want to

10:33:46 move it forward, you don't have to.

10:33:48 But if you do move it forward and it doesn't work you can

10:33:51 take it back.

10:33:51 The only point I wanted to make, yes, Winter Park is a very

10:33:56 small jurisdiction, and even the larger jurisdictions like

10:34:00 Miami and Orlando we looked to everyone to see whether or

10:34:02 not people have good and creative ideas and some of the

10:34:05 bigger jurisdictions we may look at and realize not

10:34:08 appropriate or not something legally we would support within

10:34:10 the City of Tampa.

10:34:11 But some of the smaller jurisdictions may have problems that

10:34:15 are very similar to certain neighborhoods within the City of

10:34:17 Tampa, and in particular the open house parties tend to be

10:34:21 problems that occur around where there are kids,

10:34:28 universities, which tends to be where the problems occur,

10:34:31 and Winter Park apparently had these situations.

10:34:35 So again, we are not recommending picking up everything from

10:34:38 Winter Park and adopting it as it is.

10:34:42 If you want additional time to look at and see what is good

10:34:46 and what we would recommend putting into our ordinance.

10:34:50 >>LISA MONTELIONE: And I would just say during public

10:34:53 comment we heard from some of the individuals in the public,

10:34:55 and I echo their concerns as well.

10:34:57 >>REBECCA KERT: Sure.

10:34:59 Thank you.

10:35:00 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Mr. Reddick and Mr. Suarez in, that

10:35:02 order.

10:35:02 >>FRANK REDDICK: Thank you, Mr. Chair.

10:35:05 The reason why I requested legal to review that ordinance is

10:35:10 because Hyde Park and part of West Tampa, would he have been

10:35:16 having a lot of these problems.

10:35:19 It's been a nuisance tote police department, and I think my

10:35:22 colleague would change her tune once we present the

10:35:24 evidence.

10:35:27 And here is what I want to present you with evidence of

10:35:30 what's going on.

10:35:31 Take a look at these pictures.

10:35:33 This is happening in the north part of Hyde Park in West

10:35:37 Tampa.

10:35:38 These are pictures of these parties.

10:35:41 Let's show them.

10:35:42 This is what's going on.

10:35:46 Put the next one.

10:35:48 This is what's going on.

10:35:49 Do you want this in your community?

10:35:51 These are house parties.

10:35:53 This is what's going on.

10:35:58 This is what's going on.

10:35:59 And these pictures are taken by administration of the

10:36:03 university of Tampa that's presenting these to us.

10:36:08 These people -- law enforement can vouch for

10:36:13 This. They are being called weekend after weekend dealing

10:36:15 with this issue.

10:36:17 And these people are part of this in Hyde Park and West

10:36:21 Tampa.

10:36:22 This is part of the reason why administration of the City of

10:36:25 Tampa is supporting this and this is the reason why we are

10:36:28 asking that something be done.

10:36:31 So to this council, I don't think you want to live in an

10:36:37 environment where these events are going on 2:00, 3:00 in

10:36:40 the morning.

10:36:41 And I don't think these residents in this area put up with

10:36:44 this at 2:00 or 3:00 in the morning.

10:36:47 We get constant e-mails for resident in the community.

10:36:50 Administration, they are calling and calling and calling.

10:36:56 They are sending me letters.

10:36:59 We need something to put in place.

10:37:01 And when we had opportunity to look at one that's in Winter

10:37:04 Park -- and that's the reason why I asked legal department

10:37:07 to take a look at it, see what can be done.

10:37:10 I don't care whether you get it from a town of two people or

10:37:14 a town of 50,000.

10:37:16 If we can put something in place that this comes back to

10:37:19 this council that we can assist law enforcement in their

10:37:22 duties, in dealing with this issue, then we deserve to do

10:37:25 this.

10:37:28 Law enforcement deserves to have an opportunity to not be

10:37:30 called out there late at night running these people away.

10:37:34 These people are coming in taxicabs.

10:37:37 They are being driven to these parties in taxicabs, and drop

10:37:41 off.

10:37:41 Then they come back and pick them up.

10:37:44 And --

10:37:48 >>LISA MONTELIONE: It's Gasparilla, and if they were

10:37:53 driving --

10:37:56 >> We have the fact, okay?

10:37:59 Be.

10:38:00 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Not interrupting but --

10:38:02 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Let me say this.

10:38:03 Anytime that a council member is speaking, it is not about

10:38:05 that subject matter, period.

10:38:08 All right?

10:38:10 But we'll go from there.

10:38:12 Mr. Reddick had the floor.

10:38:14 >>FRANK REDDICK: Thank you, Mr. Chair.

10:38:16 And the major is here, also a representative of that area in

10:38:24 law enforcement.

10:38:25 And I hope he will speak to this issue.

10:38:27 Because this is going on, and at this point these people are

10:38:34 tired of it.

10:38:35 And these are senior citizens living in these areas and they

10:38:39 are just tired of it.

10:38:40 And I'm tired of having all these calls coming to my office.

10:38:43 I'm tired of all these e-mails floating into my office.

10:38:47 The reporter from a local newspaper went out and

10:38:49 investigated this one time, knocked on the doors, on TV.

10:38:59 But it's still going on.

10:39:01 And it's time that this come to a stop.

10:39:03 And we can put something in place to say, we need to address

10:39:07 this issue.

10:39:08 I don't care if it's going out to the homeowners.

10:39:11 I don't care if it's going after civil citations.

10:39:16 Something needs to be done.

10:39:18 And chair, I don't know if he would like to speak or not but

10:39:25 he's in West Tampa.

10:39:28 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: If you would like to speak now, please

10:39:29 come forward.

10:39:30 >> Good morning, council.

10:39:40 Captain Rocky Robbins with the Tampa Police Department.

10:39:44 I'm not a major yet.

10:39:45 But I appreciate the vote of confidence.

10:39:48 [ Laughter ]

10:39:51 Yes, we have come in contact with these type of house

10:39:55 parties, especially at 110 and 112 south Willow, large

10:40:00 crowds.

10:40:01 a lot of times have to do with house parties.

10:40:06 If we see teenagers there, we'll call University of Tampa

10:40:11 security.

10:40:14 What we do, we take names of all the students that are

10:40:17 there, and they take that information back to the dean,

10:40:23 Gina, and they will put down whatever restrictions they need

10:40:28 to do on those types of parties.

10:40:32 The last party was around April 20, April 25th.

10:40:38 We have responded out, issued trespassing warning but nobody

10:40:42 arrested.

10:40:42 We try to use discretion on these types of parties.

10:40:45 We know these kids want to have a place to go.

10:40:49 When we were in college, we did some similar stuff.

10:40:54 But this community needs the peace and quiet in their

10:40:58 community.

10:40:58 So when they complain we go in there and address the

10:41:01 problem.

10:41:02 I think this ordinance that we are working on will benefit

10:41:06 us in the long run.

10:41:08 It will put fines on the owners, the landlords, because like

10:41:13 I said, a landlord is 99% of the time, it's rented out or

10:41:19 what have you.

10:41:20 But it would put some type of monetary fine on the landlord,

10:41:23 which will curtail this problem.

10:41:26 And 110 and 112 south Willow Avenue, we haven't had any

10:41:30 problems since.

10:41:32 Councilman Frank Reddick put a letter out to the landlord

10:41:36 telling them they need to stop these types of parties.

10:41:39 I personally spoke to the landlord, also, and since then we

10:41:43 haven't had any more problems at 110 and 112 south Willow.

10:41:47 And that was the big problem there.

10:41:51 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you.

10:41:55 Mr. Suarez and Mr. Cohen in, that order.

10:41:56 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Ms. Kert, could I ask you a couple

10:41:59 questions?

10:42:00 Thank you, captain, soon to be major.

10:42:02 [ Laughter ]

10:42:03 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: News travels real fast around these

10:42:09 walls.

10:42:11 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Mrs. Kert, one of the things that both my

10:42:13 colleagues mentioned -- and this is specific.

10:42:15 You know, Winter Park is home of Rollins college.

10:42:18 My guess is that's part of the reason why this ordinance is

10:42:21 as tough as it is.

10:42:23 It's a pretty, you know, tough is the best way I can put it

10:42:31 without saying something else.

10:42:32 And there's 28 that you people in Winter Park.

10:42:35 But when cool zoo school is there who knows how many people

10:42:38 there are?

10:42:39 There's probably another 5 to 6,000 people.

10:42:41 How many of these house parties become part of it, I don't

10:42:43 know.

10:42:44 In your research did you find anything that Rollins college

10:42:46 is doing in addition to what the city is doing similar to

10:42:49 what U.T. is doing with some of the house parties that were

10:42:52 in the North Hyde Park and West Tampa area?

10:42:55 >>REBECCA KERT: We did not.

10:42:57 My office spoke to the attorney for Winter Park and a

10:43:00 captain in the Winter Park police department.

10:43:02 >>MIKE SUAREZ: And I am in support of trying to do

10:43:05 something in terms of stopping these parties, because I do

10:43:08 think that they do get out of control very quickly.

10:43:12 You know, the pictures that Mr. Reddick and his staff put up

10:43:16 there were, you know, egregious examples of out-of-of

10:43:22 control parties in a neighborhood.

10:43:23 I don't think I have ever seen anything like that outside of

10:43:26 Bayshore, and Gasparilla.

10:43:29 So, again, it's one of those things.

10:43:32 Gasparilla, we have ceded the fact those homes along the

10:43:37 Bayshore become party houses, and I think we understand it.

10:43:40 People in that neighborhood understand it.

10:43:42 So that one day of the year, people who are living in that

10:43:46 neighborhood understand the process that they go through,

10:43:49 they move there, they know Gasparilla is there every year.

10:43:51 So it's a little bit of a different circumstance when we

10:43:54 talk about Gasparilla in relation to these house parties.

10:43:56 Now, if we change -- I notice the title of it is noise and

10:44:01 disturbance control.

10:44:03 Is there an associated noise ordinance specific to that,

10:44:09 this particular ordinance in Winter Park?

10:44:11 Or do you know?

10:44:12 >>REBECCA KERT: Well, we have what was codified, a wand

10:44:17 they did is they took their noise control ordinance, and

10:44:19 they added in that a disturbance so it's noise and

10:44:23 disturbance control.

10:44:24 >>MIKE SUAREZ: So if you are breaking more than one

10:44:27 ordinance whenever something like this happens, or could be?

10:44:31 >>REBECCA KERT: You could be, but I will say this,

10:44:33 unamplified human noise is not a violation of the noise code

10:44:37 in the city of Tampa.

10:44:37 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Right.

10:44:41 Winter Park.

10:44:42 For me, I think that may be a way that we can tie in some of

10:44:45 the things we do.

10:44:46 Because obviously the first part of this, if you were having

10:44:48 a very large party, is noise, it's going to be part of that.

10:44:53 The second part is -- and I think that some of the things

10:44:55 that are put on here, I think that an illegal house party

10:45:00 with three or more persons unrelated by blood or marriage in

10:45:03 the resident or adjacent neighborhood, I mean, my father's

10:45:07 birthday was two weeks ago.

10:45:08 I already broke that part of the ordinance.

10:45:10 A lot of people were at the party.

10:45:12 It wasn't a loud party.

10:45:13 At least I don't think it was.

10:45:15 So I think we may want to tone down that aspect of it.

10:45:19 And I think it's obvious because of the size of our city we

10:45:23 have a lot of people that have extended families that show

10:45:25 up, specifically, you know, the neighbors know each other

10:45:28 well enough that they can have these types of parties and I

10:45:31 know that my neighbor sometimes have parties and they use my

10:45:35 driveway for parking and other things and they come to us

10:45:37 before the party happens.

10:45:38 We cannot control what neighbors do among neighbors,

10:45:41 obviously, we have had this issue before.

10:45:43 But do you think that we can write an ordinance that is

10:45:47 somewhat similar but not as extensive in terms of that

10:45:51 particular section of the ordinance?

10:45:53 >>REBECCA KERT: I think we can.

10:45:54 But I would also call to your attention that in Winter Park

10:45:57 it's not just having a gathering but it's loud and

10:46:00 boisterous, it's the underage drinking and/or drug use by

10:46:04 minors that makes it an illegal house party.

10:46:08 So numbers were having minors at your party imbibing

10:46:13 illegally, your party would have been okay.

10:46:15 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Okay.

10:46:19 I think short of that, you know, the problem that we have,

10:46:22 because we are a much larger city, is that we probably don't

10:46:24 have the kind of resources to go to these very large parties

10:46:28 to find out -- I don't know how large Winter Park's police

10:46:31 department is, or whether or not they were doing undercover

10:46:34 stings on this type of activity.

10:46:36 Again, Winter Park's problems is primarily Rollins college,

10:46:43 only, would be my guess.

10:46:45 Winter Park is a beautiful part of the state, but it does

10:46:48 have a university there, probably the size of university of

10:46:51 Tampa but it's all there in that one area.

10:46:54 So it's a little different than what we have here.

10:46:56 I think that we can probably try and put an ordinance

10:47:00 together that gets a little bit narrower in terms of what

10:47:04 that is.

10:47:05 I'm not sure we necessarily have to have that for part of

10:47:07 the illegal house party portion of it.

10:47:09 But some of the things that tie into what we have already

10:47:12 passed, and then look at some of those other aspect that we

10:47:15 can go forward on.

10:47:16 I would suggest before we put the ordinance together -- it's

10:47:19 going to tab time anyway -- that we have a meeting with the

10:47:22 University of Tampa, and talk about how we can be more

10:47:27 proactive when people are moving in.

10:47:30 Those students be warned immediately as to the conduct.

10:47:35 I know that they talk about conduct all the time when it

10:47:37 comes to these university policies, but to be very

10:47:42 straightforward, maybe even have some seminars, other

10:47:45 things, maybe when they are doing freshman orientation, we

10:47:48 make sure that they know these things are not going to be

10:47:51 tolerated in the city and not tolerated by the university

10:47:54 when it comes to their own personal conduct.

10:47:56 And I think than even being a participate in some of these

10:48:00 parties should probably be looked at from the university

10:48:02 side.

10:48:03 On our side, I think those landlords have to be warned, and

10:48:07 we have to be, I think, very proactive to make sure they

10:48:10 understand we are not going to tolerate this kind of

10:48:12 activity.

10:48:13 I agree with my colleague Mr. Reddick in terms of how tough

10:48:16 it would be to be in a neighborhood in which these kind of

10:48:19 out-of-control parties were being handled.

10:48:21 So Ms. Kert, I think will probably come up with some kind of

10:48:26 motion dealing with this -- we'll probably come up with some

10:48:29 kind of motion and go forward and figure out what the time

10:48:32 frame is going to be.

10:48:33 Thank you, Mr. Chair.

10:48:35 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.

10:48:35 Mr. Cohen.

10:48:35 >>HARRY COHEN: Most of the sentiments that I was going to

10:48:39 talk about have already been covered.

10:48:43 I did want to just make one statement regarding Gasparilla.

10:48:47 And some of these other one-time events, once a year events

10:48:50 that take place in the city.

10:48:53 My office gets a lot of calls around the St. Patrick's Day

10:48:57 celebration for the Hyde Park Village.

10:48:59 And they happen once a year.

10:49:02 And oftentimes when we are dealing with, you know, everyone

10:49:05 recognizes that we are dealing with a once a year situation.

10:49:08 What makes these type of house parties, I think,

10:49:11 particularly egregious is that they are happening over and

10:49:15 over and over again in the same neighborhood, and that's

10:49:18 where people really become frustrated about our inability to

10:49:22 get things under control.

10:49:23 They can accept something that happens one time for a

10:49:26 limited duration, even if they are not thrilled with it.

10:49:29 But when it something that happens habitually and

10:49:32 constantly, it really raises the rub.

10:49:36 So I think any kind of ordinance, particularly one that is

10:49:39 specifically tailored to underage activity as a trigger

10:49:44 might be a great tool to help us bring some of these things

10:49:48 understood control.

10:49:49 And in that spirit, I would be supportive of the concept.

10:49:53 I would like to see the details in terms of what we are

10:49:58 going to bring back

10:49:59 The other statement, the business of small towns versus

10:50:04 large cities, I do think that when we are trying to compare

10:50:10 apples to apples, trying to find communities in close

10:50:14 proximity to universities and colleges, makes sense.

10:50:19 Recognizing there are differences in the size of the

10:50:22 populations, in the sizes, and maybe even in the

10:50:25 socioeconomic makeup of the population.

10:50:30 There's going to be differences.

10:50:31 But the problem of combating excessive underage drinking in

10:50:36 the vicinity of universities and colleges is not new.

10:50:40 And I'm sure that there are a lot of strategies that have

10:50:44 been employed by towns and cities all over the country that

10:50:47 have given the police, and by extension the neighborhood,

10:50:53 some extra tools to deal with the situation when things get

10:50:56 out of control.

10:50:57 So I haven't heard a motion for what measure might not be

10:51:00 coming back, but I'm assuming that there's going to be a

10:51:04 movement to ask for some sort of a draft ordinance.

10:51:06 And I'll wait to hear what the others have to say.

10:51:09 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Any other council member who has not

10:51:11 spoken care to speak at this time?

10:51:13 I am just going to say this.

10:51:15 Everything that was said here I understand.

10:51:18 And we are not trying to compare ourselves to somebody else

10:51:20 or somebody else with us.

10:51:21 But we are trying to address a problem.

10:51:23 A problem that certainly in this neighborhood or any

10:51:27 neighborhood in the City of Tampa, when you have this amount

10:51:31 of individuals that are, from what I hear, minors, and are

10:51:37 drinking and so forth and so on, I believe it's been

10:51:40 addressed at some point.

10:51:42 I believe Mr. Reddick needs a little credit.

10:51:44 I believe other council members have addressed this,

10:51:47 understand that the owner has been notified.

10:51:51 Maybe prior to this the owner was never notified.

10:51:53 Maybe the owners knew.

10:51:56 Then again maybe the owner of that plot did not know.

10:52:04 Sixty days or so and didn't have any problems.

10:52:07 That's not to mean there won't be a problem at 110 and 112

10:52:12 south Willow.

10:52:12 The owner has been addressed.

10:52:13 Now my question Mace is what happens now if there's another

10:52:16 party?

10:52:18 That owner has been notified.

10:52:19 Is there any legal remedies understood current law

10:52:23 addressing the underage drinking at that property,

10:52:26 addressing the problem that they created for the

10:52:29 neighborhood, and I would like that explained.

10:52:31 >>REBECCA KERT: Legal department.

10:52:32 We currently don't have any regulations on our books

10:52:35 regarding this.

10:52:37 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Okay.

10:52:38 Then I yield to Mr. Reddick.

10:52:39 >>FRANK REDDICK: Thank you, Mr. Chair, and just to follow

10:52:44 up, and I will make a motion to follow up with Mr. Suarez,

10:52:47 and that is the university has been working very, very

10:52:50 diligently to try to address this problem.

10:52:52 They put a lot of measures into place.

10:52:54 As a matter of fact, they are having a panel discussion, and

10:52:57 I'm a member of that panel, to address a lot of the student

10:53:03 population, and they are addressing this, reaching out to

10:53:06 the community, meeting with be the neighborhood

10:53:08 associations, and they are trying to see how to resolve

10:53:13 this.

10:53:13 So saying that, Mr. Chair, I am going to make a motion that

10:53:16 the legal department report back to this council 60 days

10:53:20 with a draft ordinance, that they feel is legally doable to

10:53:23 meet some of the concerns that were raised here today

10:53:28 pertaining to underage drinking, and the parties going on

10:53:35 there, rental dwellings.

10:53:39 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I understand that.

10:53:40 And during that period of time till that draft ordinance

10:53:42 comes back, to add or delete from that ordinance at that

10:53:45 time.

10:53:45 I have a motion by Mr. Reddick.

10:53:47 Second by Mr. Suarez.

10:53:48 >>HARRY COHEN: How do you feel about July 31st?

10:53:53 >> The day after July 30 this?

10:53:59 July 31 under staff.

10:54:03 And I want to thank the University of Tampa.

10:54:06 As you know, they are very well represented every time

10:54:11 there's alcohol and areas around the University of Tampa.

10:54:14 So they are aware of it.

10:54:15 They try to work it out.

10:54:17 And all in favor of that motion please signify by saying

10:54:20 aye.

10:54:20 Opposed nay.

10:54:21 Ayes have it unanimously.

10:54:23 Thank you very much.

10:54:23 I appreciate it.

10:54:24 We go -- Mrs. Mulhern?

10:54:28 >>MARY MULHERN: I wanted to make a motion or a suggestion

10:54:33 if council is willing to, because I just realized since the

10:54:39 meeting started, or I would have made the motion at the

10:54:41 beginning of the meeting.

10:54:42 Item number 9, some of the discussion relates to the

10:54:49 alcoholic beverage, special use permits, and that is already

10:54:56 on the workshop agenda for June 19th.

10:54:59 So I'm wondering if maybe we could continue that, as well as

10:55:05 number 10 to June 19th.

10:55:08 We probably need to make another agenda item for number 10,

10:55:14 because we did receive memo just last night.

10:55:20 I received it.

10:55:23 But it was yesterday with regard to that from Ms. Coyle.

10:55:28 So maybe we could continue both of those if staff and

10:55:33 council is willing to do the workshop on June 19th.

10:55:38 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Okay.

10:55:39 Let me hold that motion until I get to those two items, if

10:55:44 there is any problem with continuing it.

10:55:46 That way we are covered on the agenda procedures.

10:55:48 So I appreciate it.

10:55:49 And I agree with your motion, if it's there.

10:55:55 We are going to solve this problem or that problem at that

10:55:57 time.

10:55:58 So I appreciate it very much, Mrs. Mulhern.

10:56:00 We'll hold that until we get to 9 and 107 and bring it up to

10:56:03 the public.

10:56:04 Item number 6.

10:56:04 >> Dennis Rogero, chief of staff.

10:56:13 Thanks for having me here today.

10:56:15 Thanks for allowing us the time to bring to you on this item

10:56:18 before today.

10:56:19 If I could just highlight.

10:56:26 You have an extensive study in front of you that we have

10:56:28 gone over.

10:56:28 I don't imagine this will be the last time we go over it.

10:56:31 An extensive number of options.

10:56:34 An extensive number of crises.

10:56:37 You know, as you probably read in the media and heard from

10:56:40 our public affairs director, our primary goal is to -- two

10:56:44 primary goals are to maintain the character of the Cuscaden

10:56:48 pool, and to reasonably guarantee that the space will be an

10:56:52 active space no matter what we do with it in the future.

10:56:55 The study we want to share with you was done by a consultant

10:57:00 associated with the Williams park pool in conjunction with

10:57:02 the preservation architect, a good study.

10:57:06 It's not the end of the discussion, of course, nor do I

10:57:09 imagine is it the end of the options.

10:57:11 But there are a number of options again with the number of

10:57:14 line items associated with the costs.

10:57:20 About funding, as you are aware, you were briefed on some of

10:57:25 the challenges we face not only in fiscal you're 15 -- I

10:57:28 think we are all aware of that -- but some of the challenges

10:57:31 we face in the current fiscal year.

10:57:33 Just to remained you we are anticipating in the budget to

10:57:36 use about $7 or $8 million of fund balance.

10:57:39 We don't like to do that.

10:57:40 We may run the risk of using an additional million dollars

10:57:44 in fund balance just in the current fiscal year, separate

10:57:48 and apart from the fiscal year '15 budget we are working on

10:57:51 now.

10:57:53 As I said before, I don't want to come with you -- to you

10:58:00 but things are getting better overall.

10:58:02 You have read reports I'm sure about the anticipated taxable

10:58:06 increases for Hillsborough County.

10:58:07 But the reality is, we are coming off about a half decade of

10:58:12 economic downturn, and with deferred expenses and the needs

10:58:17 in one fiscal year.

10:58:19 I know you all know that but I think it bears saying.

10:58:22 A word about the demolition, the neglect.

10:58:27 Our consultant, our engineers have looked at it.

10:58:29 We are convinced that it's stabilized.

10:58:34 As Mr. Vaughan has said it's not the prettiest thing, but

10:58:38 structurally it's as deteriorated as it's going to get for

10:58:41 the next couple, two, three years.

10:58:44 So just so you know, we are in no danger of further

10:58:50 exacerbated for the next couple of years.

10:58:52 As you know, I can share with you, we do not anticipate

10:58:55 recommending any funding for this project in the fiscal year

10:58:58 15.

10:59:01 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you.

10:59:01 Mrs. Mulhern?

10:59:02 >>MARY MULHERN: I won't be here for next year's budget, so

10:59:09 I would like to see us find the money in this year's budget.

10:59:15 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Well, you will be here.

10:59:16 Maybe not sitting here but hopefully you will be here.

10:59:20 >>MARY MULHERN: I won't be voting on the budget.

10:59:21 Probably not.

10:59:22 Who knows?

10:59:23 But I don't anticipate it.

10:59:26 So when I look at these options, really what we have been

10:59:33 hearing from the neighborhood and the public for years,

10:59:38 since the last council, was that they wanted the pool

10:59:40 restored.

10:59:42 And I heard today from one of the neighbors, I didn't

10:59:44 realize this was a WPA project, so it has more historic

10:59:49 value at the pool than I realized.

10:59:53 So I would like us to find the money to renovate the

10:59:56 existing facility, which is the lowest number, and all these

11:00:02 options from the consultants, $1.5 million, and, you know,

11:00:08 if there's support from other council members, I would like

11:00:11 to hear it.

11:00:16 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I studied these documents that were left to

11:00:21 us on that study.

11:00:23 Are you going to be presenting this to us on the overhead or

11:00:28 not?

11:00:32 Well, not me, at this point, I think that first of all, we

11:00:40 do not have enough competition pools.

11:00:44 Competition pools.

11:00:45 Anybody that's lived in a competition pool is probably up

11:00:49 for very good possibilities of a scholarship.

11:00:53 That is very important to our community.

11:00:57 And over here at the Housing Authority pool facility 11,

11:01:04 it's not open to the public?

11:01:05 >> It's my understanding it is not closed.

11:01:08 They are not monitored.

11:01:09 I wouldn't same they are necessarily invited for the public

11:01:11 but they are not monitored than.

11:01:15 We have that on that map because from our perspective it

11:01:18 mitigates that ability to pull users into the pool because

11:01:22 if you live in one of those areas and have a pool at your

11:01:25 disposal you are unlikely to come to the city pool.

11:01:29 It impacts our attendance numbers.

11:01:34 >>YVONNE CAPIN: The housing -- I never heard of anyone take

11:01:38 their child to the Housing Authority to swim.

11:01:44 I don't know.

11:01:44 I would like to see the number of public that goes to swim

11:01:47 there.

11:01:49 I think that what I heard yesterday was that the mayor is

11:01:53 not ready for the million dollars, but I didn't hear a plan,

11:01:57 I didn't hear -- okay, here you go.

11:02:01 This is not -- so if it's up to us to decide which plan you

11:02:08 want, then my vote is for 3, $10 million, and it's an

11:02:13 investment that is huge for this city.

11:02:16 Can you imagine the people coming from all over the city for

11:02:19 competition swimming?

11:02:21 And then the building before that was the boys and girls

11:02:25 club, we own that, correct?

11:02:27 >> I believe a church is currently --

11:02:33 >>YVONNE CAPIN: And it's been leased to a church?

11:02:36 Okay.

11:02:36 How long is that lease?

11:02:37 >> I don't know off the top of my head.

11:02:39 We can find that out for you.

11:02:42 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Okay.

11:02:42 I know the church -- my brother-in-law is a pastor there.

11:02:49 Anyway, it's putting Band-Aids for the million -- I hate to

11:02:59 see it crumble to the ground.

11:03:01 And I was told yesterday that pretty much what is there in

11:03:06 three years is probably not going to get p worse because

11:03:12 what is this has been there about two or three years, and

11:03:14 they did not notice.

11:03:15 Is that what I understood yesterday?

11:03:18 >> Yes, ma'am.

11:03:19 The time frames are just that.

11:03:20 And that's the good news.

11:03:21 It's not going to get any worse.

11:03:25 >>YVONNE CAPIN: The plan should be, we should look so far

11:03:27 into the future.

11:03:34 You are looking at the aerial of this park, and it has been

11:03:42 pretty much neglected as far as the city and the

11:03:48 administration, it's mind boggling that we cannot go beyond

11:04:00 next year.

11:04:02 That we cannot see into the future.

11:04:04 We have how many people moving into this city?

11:04:07 How many people moving into this district?

11:04:08 We know those numbers.

11:04:11 We know them very well.

11:04:17 So we need to really look into the future and how we want to

11:04:23 use this very valuable park, and pool.

11:04:30 And I think that looking at it -- and it sound $10 million

11:04:38 is a lot.

11:04:39 I have seen a lot of money in the city go to a lot of things

11:04:42 that we could do better.

11:04:46 So I would like to see a plan where this is our goal.

11:04:51 Our goal is to get as many kids to swim competitive, to

11:04:55 learn to swim, did you see the numbers on how many people

11:04:59 don't know how to swim?

11:05:00 We don't have -- if they are not at our pools, it's because

11:05:05 we are not doing a good job getting the word out there, and

11:05:08 being able to teach our kids to swim.

11:05:11 That's part of public safety.

11:05:13 We are surrounded by water.

11:05:19 So that's what I have to say.

11:05:20 I vote for scheme 3.

11:05:23 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.

11:05:24 Mr. Reddick and Mr. Suarez.

11:05:25 >>FRANK REDDICK: Thank you, Mr. Chair.

11:05:29 I was surprised at the numbers that I heard from one of the

11:05:32 speakers this morning, that spoke about this pool, and 4,000

11:05:37 kids.

11:05:39 That participate at this pool.

11:05:44 And with the program.

11:05:45 What continued to disturb me about this situation is that

11:05:49 the city has not taken no responsibility for putting this

11:05:52 pool in the position it's in today.

11:06:02 It's the city's failure that caused the pool to be in the

11:06:04 shape it's in today, the city administration, and the city

11:06:07 has not taken no responsibility of what took place, where

11:06:13 you spent over $2.5 million to try to correct the problem

11:06:17 and never got corrected.

11:06:19 But nobody want to take the blame.

11:06:23 But I keep hearing these numbers about 10, $15 million

11:06:28 deficit.

11:06:30 Let me ask you something.

11:06:32 You have got your report from the property appraiser's

11:06:35 office?

11:06:35 >> Yes, sir.

11:06:36 >>FRANK REDDICK: You have gotten that report.

11:06:38 What are they showing.

11:06:39 >> is taxable properties city-wide is just about 5%

11:06:42 anticipated increase, which off the top of my head, 7 or $8

11:06:50 million.

11:06:51 not as close to that.

11:06:55 >>FRANK REDDICK: Now anywhere from 7 to 8 to $10 million

11:07:04 S.that what you are saying?

11:07:05 >> I'm sorry, say again?

11:07:07 >> So the deficit could be from 7, 8, $10 million projected

11:07:11 deficit?

11:07:12 >> Yes.

11:07:14 >>FRANK REDDICK: As you stated to me yesterday, it could be

11:07:16 from 10 to 15.

11:07:17 And now we have 7, 8, 9, 10.

11:07:22 >> And I know you know that but I want to reiterate for the

11:07:25 viewing public it continues to be pretty fluid, taxable

11:07:29 properties are not the sole component as we plan ahead.

11:07:34 >>FRANK REDDICK: As someone stated it's been going over for

11:07:39 five years now that this pool has been closed, and I

11:07:42 understand about the deficit.

11:07:44 But I also understand that those families and those kids who

11:07:49 live on 15th street, 17th Avenue, Columbus drive,

11:07:53 21st Avenue, all the surrounding community, their burden

11:08:10 of taking on the responsibility and the burden of being

11:08:13 denied a city service at a city facility within the City of

11:08:19 Tampa.

11:08:22 I mean, it seems to me the city would be willing to

11:08:25 compromise, even if they had put a splash pad out there in

11:08:33 that area.

11:08:36 Give these types some type of hope.

11:08:39 They have been denied for five years.

11:08:41 Now they are going to be in the 2015 budget.

11:08:45 There's in a guarantee they will be in the 2015 budget, no

11:08:49 guarantee they'll be in the 2016 budget.

11:08:51 So I'm pretty sure if the city is sincere about treating

11:09:01 this part of town the same as you treat other parts of town,

11:09:07 there's room to find even 1.5 million to do what needs to be

11:09:13 done for that pool.

11:09:19 We can't have one segment of the city continue to reap all

11:09:24 the benefits and then hear excuses for another segment of

11:09:32 this community that fund are not available.

11:09:37 It's just not fair.

11:09:39 And I understand about the deficit.

11:09:42 But if you are talking about 4,000 kids for the fifth year

11:09:46 in a row denied an opportunity and you can't even put a

11:09:51 splash pad for these kid to wade in that water to cool off,

11:09:54 and I would comment with my colleagues, Mrs. Capin stated,

11:10:02 unless you live in the Tampa Housing Authority you cannot go

11:10:05 on that property and swim in that pool.

11:10:09 When you list the YMCA, you have to have a membership and

11:10:13 you have to pay for the YMCA and swim.

11:10:16 It costs money.

11:10:19 It even costs money to go to a city-owned pool.

11:10:22 You have to have one of the rec cards.

11:10:24 Just top go to the city pool to swim.

11:10:26 So you list those.

11:10:32 If you get up and I am going to it city pool and jump in

11:10:36 that pool, you can't do that.

11:10:37 You can't go unless you are a resident of Tampa Housing

11:10:39 Authority.

11:10:40 You can't go in the YMCA unless you are a member of the

11:10:43 YMCA.

11:10:44 So listing those areas and those properties is irrelevant.

11:10:56 But my message to the administration, find 1.5 million if

11:11:01 that's what it's going to take.

11:11:08 But I cannot support sitting here and presenting me a budget

11:11:14 saying that you are going to deny these kids another

11:11:17 opportunity.

11:11:21 I won't support it.

11:11:23 And I won't support the budget that's going to deny these

11:11:27 kids that opportunity.

11:11:28 Because they deserve the same equal opportunity just like

11:11:32 any other people in any segment of the community.

11:11:35 And the excuse of the deficit, last year I saw a lot of

11:11:44 things got done, and so the same with this year.

11:11:53 But this is the last thing I am going to say, Mr. Chair.

11:11:56 What disturbs me is to sit down on this council, and we

11:11:59 continue and continue it because you didn't have the

11:12:01 information, and wish you could have given us this report

11:12:07 seven months ago, but you come today, requesting a

11:12:12 continuance on June 5th to tell us -- and I knew it was

11:12:18 going to go in this direction -- that you were going to use

11:12:20 the deficit as your excuse for not wanting a new pool.

11:12:24 And I knew that.

11:12:25 But you could have told us this six months ago.

11:12:30 So I'm disappointed, and now we are in this budget cycle and

11:12:37 now you are playing hokey pokey again because you are saying

11:12:41 because we have got a budget deficit, ain't going to put no

11:12:46 funding, you have in a funding here.

11:12:49 All right.

11:12:51 Then I will keep that in mind when it comes time to vote for

11:12:54 the budget.

11:12:56 Mr. Chair.

11:12:58 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you, Mr. Reddick.

11:12:59 Mr. Suarez and then Mrs. Mulhern.

11:13:00 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Mr. Rogero, I asked some questions yesterday

11:13:06 when we met privately concerning the ongoing expenses for

11:13:10 the pool, if it were open.

11:13:11 Let's say it was open today.

11:13:13 I know we probably have some numbers.

11:13:14 I know you didn't yesterday.

11:13:16 Did you ever get those numbers to Mr. Bayor are "in else?

11:13:24 >> Greg Bayor, parks and recreation director.

11:13:31 Cuscaden for three months at a cost of $118,000 to operate

11:13:34 it, a year-round operation, $455,000.

11:13:37 >> How much? 455?

11:13:42 455,000 for a year, year round, and that's to maintain the

11:13:46 pool, to clean the pool, that's to have life yards on duty,

11:13:50 that's to have all the amenities concerning running that

11:13:55 pool, correct?

11:13:57 >> That's correct.

11:13:59 >>MIKE SUAREZ: So the operating would be about 455 per

11:14:02 year. Okay.

11:14:03 And if we did it seasonally, it's 118,000?

11:14:06 >> Correct.

11:14:07 >> That's for three months.

11:14:09 Now, the question I have -- and thank you for that, Mr.

11:14:11 Bayor.

11:14:13 I know when I asked you yesterday, we were trying to figure

11:14:15 out, when you have all of these different suggestions, and I

11:14:21 put them as suggestions.

11:14:22 I know there's a lot of different suggestions in here.

11:14:24 We were talking about -- Mrs. Capin mentioned, you know, a

11:14:28 competition pool.

11:14:29 I don't think anything would make Mayor Buckhorn happier

11:14:34 touch a competition pool.

11:14:35 Both his daughters are probably going to be Olympic athletes

11:14:38 in the swimming pool.

11:14:39 Maybe that's the reason he didn't suggest it before.

11:14:41 Anyway, when you are looking at the cost, the capital cost

11:14:46 of refurbishing the pool, about 1.5 million, about three

11:14:51 years ago, we had an aquatics budget, I think it was three

11:14:54 years ago, we had an aquatic budget that looked at about a

11:14:57 half million dollars per year over a five year period, if I

11:15:00 am correct.

11:15:01 Is that correct?

11:15:06 >>GREG BAYOR: Approximately correct.

11:15:08 >> Since with we had that in place in capital dollars

11:15:11 towards pool, I know we have some of those towards parks

11:15:15 pool. Is there an ability to accelerate some dollars to

11:15:18 either do the refurbishment of the pool at the coast that we

11:15:22 have now, with I is 1.5, starting the construction of it

11:15:25 under this budget year, or to do the scenario 1, which is a

11:15:31 little bit cheaper -- and when I say a little cheaper, about

11:15:34 a half million dollars cheaper to do it in terms of

11:15:36 construction costs, is there a way that we can move some

11:15:40 dollars within our aquatics budget to provide that type of

11:15:43 capital?

11:15:44 >>GREG BAYOR: At this point all I can say we can go back

11:15:50 and look at that, of course, moving funding around.

11:15:53 But I would have to get with the revenue and finance

11:15:55 department to see what they are already projecting in their

11:15:57 efforts to bring you a balanced budget in light of next

11:16:02 year's anticipated shortfall.

11:16:04 >>MIKE SUAREZ: And the reason I'm asking that, if we put

11:16:10 these splash pad scenarios together, the costs of running

11:16:15 the pool will go away meaning splash pad doesn't have to

11:16:18 have a lifeguard, doesn't have to have the same kind of

11:16:20 maintenance that a pool the size of Cuscaden would be in

11:16:23 order to operate.

11:16:25 You know, there's a lot more to a pool than just filling it

11:16:29 with water and so many aspect of it.

11:16:31 And we found out that in 2005 after it was built, that so

11:16:34 many other problems associated with it -- and, you know, I

11:16:37 don't want to revisit that, because, you know, and when I

11:16:41 said in the newspaper that it had been screwed up, I didn't

11:16:43 mean this council and I didn't mean anybody that cities on

11:16:46 this council now, because you were elected at a time when

11:16:48 the pool was running, and there didn't seem to be any

11:16:51 problem.

11:16:52 Found out the pool had problems in 2009.

11:16:54 So --

11:16:56 >> And I don't mean to cut you off but, Greg, correct me if

11:17:01 I am wrong, but the maintenance costs that he shared with

11:17:03 you are exclusive of any extraordinary repairs like you

11:17:07 referenced.

11:17:07 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Right.

11:17:09 Operating from construction.

11:17:10 I mean, to operate year round is 455 to. Operate

11:17:13 seasonally, say summer, is 118.

11:17:16 So I separate the two numbers also because I know there's

11:17:19 different buckets of dollars that we get that from.

11:17:22 But in terms of our aquatics budget -- and this was a big

11:17:25 issue back in 2012, or 2011-12, when we were first here, and

11:17:33 it became a problem specifically for Williams park pool.

11:17:37 Cuscaden was in discussion at that time.

11:17:39 And I don't think that it was reported well enough from our

11:17:44 side or from the administration side to say that it

11:17:47 wasn't -- you know, Williams park pool wasn't taking up that

11:17:51 whole budget.

11:17:52 There's still money in that budget for aquatics.

11:17:54 And I want to find out what we can do on our capital side

11:17:57 and CIP side to maybe move some dollars to start the

11:18:00 renovation of Williams park -- excuse me, Cuscaden park,

11:18:04 whether it's towards the splash pad option, the option of

11:18:09 refurbishing the pool altogether, or even the suggestion of

11:18:13 Mrs. Capin.

11:18:14 That's a decision we are going to have to make as to be

11:18:16 which direction we are going to go.

11:18:17 But we need to know what those dollars are like.

11:18:20 Because here is the thing.

11:18:21 If we are taking money out of our CIP. The CIP is already

11:18:25 there, we have already planned for it. If there's a

11:18:27 reduction in the CIP we need to know that upfront top

11:18:34 prepare whether or not we can open up Cuscaden.

11:18:36 The opening of Cuscaden and the decision to make on the

11:18:39 operating side is another discussion that's going to have to

11:18:41 be done separate from the capital costs.

11:18:43 And until we know those numbers -- and I know that we are

11:18:46 waiting for a true-up on July 1st from the county, and

11:18:51 they are going to figure out if we are 5% additional dollars

11:18:54 we are getting from property taxes and what that's going to

11:18:57 mean for our entire budget.

11:18:58 So for me I think that we need to really drill down, look at

11:19:02 that CIP budget, and in addition to look at CIT dollars,

11:19:07 and, you know, we were talking about this yesterday, the

11:19:10 difference between CIT projects and our other CIP, we can

11:19:14 probably learn from that if there's any dollars available.

11:19:19 In addition to that and all that, we are going to look at if

11:19:22 we do make a decision to put money into the pool, regardless

11:19:26 of the scheme, what effect is it going to have on other

11:19:29 capital projects that we have already put in our CIP and

11:19:32 what we are going to have to cut.

11:19:34 That's a decision that council has to make.

11:19:37 And, again, I know that the administration has got their

11:19:40 wish list in terms of what they are going to do.

11:19:42 We have to approve the budget.

11:19:43 And I think we all know that and we understand the

11:19:46 responsibility that we have.

11:19:46 So if we have a project that we really want, if Cuscaden

11:19:50 pool, a park pool, is the project we really want, then we

11:19:53 are going to figure out where that pain is going to come

11:19:56 from, because we will be ripping up the Band-Aid, but

11:19:59 there's still going to be a scab there.

11:20:01 So we have to know where those dollars are going to come

11:20:04 from, because there may be a project that's going to be

11:20:06 affected because we decided to go forward with Cuscaden park

11:20:10 pool.

11:20:10 So I would appreciate, and I will make a motion to this

11:20:13 effect, a report back to us on those scenarios, A, the

11:20:19 amounts of money in our CIP that can be moved to go forward

11:20:24 with Cuscaden park, let's say scheme 1.

11:20:28 Because that's the easiest one, is the lowest hanging fruit

11:20:32 a million dollars.

11:20:33 >> Just a point of clarification.

11:20:35 Scheme one is renovating the existing facility --

11:20:38 >> Okay, never mind.

11:20:40 >> It's --

11:20:46 >>MIKE SUAREZ: The splash pad option without refurbishing

11:20:49 the building that is Cuscaden park itself.

11:20:51 Okay?

11:20:54 Part B to that -- the second part of it is, what dollars are

11:21:05 available in our CIT, because we do have CIT dollars that

11:21:11 maybe we can use to go forward on Cuscaden park.

11:21:17 And the last part of the project is, if there are dollars,

11:21:21 what those dollars are, and what effect it will have on

11:21:24 other capital projects in the city if we go forward with

11:21:29 Cuscaden park.

11:21:31 So, clerk, I hope you have that clear.

11:21:34 Thank you.

11:21:35 Thank you for the second, Mr. Reddick.

11:21:37 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: We have a motion by Mr. Suarez at this

11:21:38 time, second by Mr. Reddick.

11:21:40 I will hold that motion till we finish the discussion.

11:21:45 Mrs. Mulhern and Mrs. Capin in that order.

11:21:47 >>MARY MULHERN: Thank you.

11:21:53 I would still like to -- I just want to reiterate the

11:21:57 importance of us preserving the architectural history of the

11:22:03 city.

11:22:03 So I don't want to see us -- the cost of this splash pad,

11:22:10 but maybe also ask you to add to your motion, we already

11:22:13 know what the cost of the renovation of the pool.

11:22:18 I thought of that as the intent, and I think it would be

11:22:26 great for us to have an Olympic pool, and maybe this is a

11:22:31 good place, Olympic size pool.

11:22:33 Maybe this is a good place.

11:22:34 Although those are currently soccer field.

11:22:37 I don't know if they are used as soccer field at this point.

11:22:40 But renovating the historic architectural structure and

11:22:44 opening the pool again, which the community wants would

11:22:46 prohibit us from using that in the future budget site for an

11:22:53 Olympic pool.

11:22:54 So that's what I would like to see and that's what I would

11:22:58 like to hopefully get support in our budget, and Councilman

11:23:07 Suarez has asked for specific fund balance estimates,

11:23:16 revenue estimates, we'll have an opportunity to look at the

11:23:21 budget and come up with other places we might find the

11:23:26 money.

11:23:27 But I think that we have been asking for this for years, and

11:23:30 would like to see the administration work with the citizens

11:23:36 and council on this, and get something started in this

11:23:38 year's budget.

11:23:40 And I would also like to say that, you know, when we talk

11:23:44 about all these scenarios, I don't know, maybe you could

11:23:47 tell me this, our Mr. Bayor can, if these were developed in

11:23:54 consultation with the neighborhood, or if they just came

11:23:59 from the engineers, the architects --

11:24:01 >> Not to my knowledge.

11:24:03 >>MARY MULHERN: So I think the neighborhood should have

11:24:04 input on this going forward.

11:24:06 >> As an aside to that to give you the administration's

11:24:14 perspective and it mirrors somewhat the study we have given

11:24:17 you -- and thank you, Mr. Suarez, for kind of confining that

11:24:20 motion, because it's going to be easier with the finance

11:24:26 department to bring you option ifs you narrow what you are

11:24:28 looking for.

11:24:29 In other words, the flexibility of $1 million versus the

11:24:32 flexibility of $10 million is a big swap and from our

11:24:38 perspective, I think the signal we have gotten is the area

11:24:42 wants a wider amenity, and you see the you array of water

11:24:46 amenities that are available from splash bads pads to

11:24:50 competition Olympic size pools.

11:24:54 >>MARY MULHERN: You did show us that array.

11:24:56 I'm saying what I think the neighborhood wants is the pool

11:24:59 back, and if you can add a splash pad, great.

11:25:02 But they used to have a pool that kids could swim in.

11:25:05 You can't learn to swim in a splash pad.

11:25:08 And I don't think we are going to -- maybe we could start

11:25:14 looking how we are going to fund an Olympic pool.

11:25:19 But what the neighbors have been asking for, what I have

11:25:23 been hearing, is they want that pool reopened.

11:25:30 If there were 4,000 kids using it before, I think there's a

11:25:34 need for it.

11:25:36 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have in this order Ms. Capin, Mr.

11:25:40 Cohen, Mrs. Montelione.

11:25:44 All right.

11:25:45 She yield to Mr. Cohen and Mrs. Montelione at this time.

11:25:48 >>HARRY COHEN: Some very thoughtful comments so far.

11:25:58 I'm struck by a couple things, listening to this

11:26:01 conversation.

11:26:03 The first is to councilwoman Mulhern's point about the

11:26:08 historic nature of the pool.

11:26:09 There is in a question that this structure is an asset to

11:26:12 the city, and it is something that we absolutely have an

11:26:16 obligation to preserve, and to ultimately reopen, or

11:26:23 reconfigure.

11:26:25 That said, I was relieved during the conversation that I

11:26:30 have with staff yesterday to be informed that it does not

11:26:37 appear at the moment that the historical nature of the

11:26:41 structure is in jeopardy from continued deterioration, at

11:26:46 least not in the immediate term.

11:26:50 I'm hearing a lot of different views on what ought to be

11:26:55 done on this property.

11:26:57 There was one proposal for a full-fledged renovation and

11:27:01 aquatic center with a competitive site for $10 million.

11:27:05 There's the bare minimum for 1.5.

11:27:08 And there's a lot of different things in between.

11:27:10 And as we pointed out, the neighborhood hasn't even been

11:27:13 consulted yet about these particular plans and what they

11:27:17 might prefer.

11:27:21 So it seems to me that before we figure out where we are

11:27:24 going to get the money, we ought to figure out what it is we

11:27:26 are attempting to do, because there is no question that if

11:27:29 everyone wants to move forward with the $10 million plan,

11:27:33 it's never going to come out of one year's budget in order

11:27:36 to do something that expensive.

11:27:42 With that said, I found our budget director's presentation

11:27:47 last week or the week before to be extremely sobering, to be

11:27:52 much more pessimistic than what I was expecting in terms of

11:27:57 the use of an additional million dollars out of the reserve

11:28:01 just to cover this year's budget, and I just want to say,

11:28:06 with regard to the entire city, if we decide that we want to

11:28:10 move forward with some sort of plan for Cuscaden, the money

11:28:13 is going to have to come from somewhere.

11:28:15 And when I hear that our reserve fund might have to be

11:28:25 tapped into again for another year, because our property tax

11:28:30 revenues still aren't where they need to be in order for us

11:28:34 to balance our budget, I'm very, very concerned about that.

11:28:38 And, you know, I am more than happy to work with my

11:28:44 colleagues here to try to find a solution to the pool.

11:28:50 But we are going to have to find a place to take this money

11:28:52 from.

11:28:52 We cannot just throw it into in and say we are going to

11:28:58 borrow it and pay for it tomorrow.

11:29:00 We have got to find the savings.

11:29:01 If we want to fund it we are going to have top go into the

11:29:04 budget and find the money to actually do it.

11:29:07 And I'm happy to engage in that exercise.

11:29:11 And I think we should engage in that exercise.

11:29:14 But the really tough decision that we are going to have to

11:29:17 make this year are what ultimately are we going to

11:29:20 prioritize?

11:29:21 I love pools.

11:29:22 I would love to see this thing be open this summer.

11:29:25 But I can also tell you we have got major stormwater

11:29:27 problems that we are going to talk about in agenda item

11:29:30 number 8.

11:29:30 And, you know, we have been putting off -- you said this to

11:29:35 me yourself when we were in our meeting yesterday, and I

11:29:38 know it's true, as wave gone through these austerity years,

11:29:42 we have been putting off different things that we have torn

11:29:44 do.

11:29:45 We have some streets that flood so badly that cars can get

11:29:49 swept right off the road.

11:29:50 And we are just going to have to be very careful about

11:29:52 balancing all these competing interests.

11:29:54 That said, the first thing we have to do is figure out which

11:29:58 of the options we actually want to pursue on Cuscaden pool.

11:30:03 Because without a definitive decision about what it is we

11:30:06 want to fund, there's no way we can step back and figure out

11:30:08 where we are going to get the money.

11:30:10 I say that because particularly if you go with one of the

11:30:13 higher priced options, there may be ways of doing a piece of

11:30:16 it this year and a piece of it next year and a piece of it

11:30:20 after.

11:30:20 Actually if you go with one of the lower priced options,

11:30:23 that may be the thing that requires it all to be done in

11:30:26 one fell swoop, so I'm in favor of bringing it back with a

11:30:35 staff report as an update but I think there's going to have

11:30:37 to be some very serious engagement with the neighborhood

11:30:41 relatively quickly in order to figure out exactly what it is

11:30:43 that we are trying to fund and when, and then we are going

11:30:46 to have to make the tough call about where that money is

11:30:49 going to come from.

11:30:53 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Are you finished?

11:30:57 Thank you very much.

11:30:58 Even I got moved there a little bit.

11:31:02 All right.

11:31:03 I have got Mrs. Montelione, then Mrs. Capin in that order.

11:31:07 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Ditto what he said.

11:31:11 And he always puts things in perspective.

11:31:14 So I appreciate Mr. Cohen for that very thoughtful response

11:31:18 about the budget because I feel the same way.

11:31:20 We have a lot of things that we have been putting off.

11:31:22 But I'm not going to repeat what Mr. Cohen said.

11:31:26 There's one question that something that came to mind just

11:31:29 this morning that I didn't talk to you about in my briefing,

11:31:33 and maybe you can find out and come back.

11:31:35 But Hillsborough Community College is entertaining

11:31:42 establishing a youth sports complex on a portion of their

11:31:49 campus.

11:31:52 It included the Westshore Alliance and the Hillsborough

11:31:54 County hotel and motel association.

11:31:57 I believe the Tampa Sports Authority, it says in the article

11:32:03 that ran in the Tribune, this was February 28th, I

11:32:06 believe, Michael Sasser's article, said that Tampa Sports

11:32:12 Authority which operates Raymond James stadium would likely

11:32:15 run the complex.

11:32:17 So if we put in an Olympic size pool, and they put in an

11:32:21 Olympic size pool, I think there might be some -- it might

11:32:28 behoove us to find out what their plans are so we don't have

11:32:31 that type of competition after we, you know, go forward and

11:32:35 possibly put that much money into our plans.

11:32:37 >> We'll research it.

11:32:42 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Mrs. Capin.

11:32:43 And then I am going to say just a couple of things.

11:32:47 >>YVONNE CAPIN: (off microphone) I also appreciate the fact

11:32:58 that Councilman Reddick brought up the splash pad, and

11:33:03 splash pads are a great deal of fun for children.

11:33:08 They are huge fun.

11:33:09 But I think that we have to look at it, and also what

11:33:13 Councilman E -- well, everyone actually put in, and, yes, to

11:33:18 look and see what HCC is doing, they are on Dale Mabry

11:33:25 there.

11:33:25 But what we are looking at, we are looking at an up and

11:33:32 coming but depressed area, and the splash pad is probably

11:33:39 the least expensive way, and we have about two or three

11:33:42 years that the structure itself can hold the integrity.

11:33:47 So in those two or three years, our goal should be for one

11:33:54 of these very big projects, because this would do, for that

11:33:58 neighborhood -- and this pool is not only that

11:34:00 neighborhood's pool.

11:34:01 This pool belongs to the City of Tampa.

11:34:03 It belongs to everyone in this city.

11:34:06 To come swim at it there.

11:34:09 So the goal is -- yes, we can have this now, or try to have

11:34:15 this now, so that the neighborhood children -- and anyone

11:34:18 else, because I take my grandson all over the city to splash

11:34:23 pad parks, all over, and he absolutely loves it.

11:34:26 I understand that.

11:34:27 And I think it's a good compromise.

11:34:30 I hope the immediate neighborhood will probably be using it.

11:34:33 But I would probably bring my grandson there, too.

11:34:36 But the goal, this city is growing.

11:34:38 The goal is to look at down the future.

11:34:42 What do we want?

11:34:43 This is Florida.

11:34:44 This is the sunshine state.

11:34:47 You can swim here year round.

11:34:52 Ask anyone that goes to the beaches.

11:34:53 They have record number of tourists over there.

11:34:55 So I think we need to look beyond the immediate -- yes, we

11:35:02 need to address the immediate because it has been -- the can

11:35:08 has been kicked down the road long enough.

11:35:10 And I do believe that looking to those fund within the

11:35:15 moneys that we have allotted now for at least a splash pad

11:35:20 would be a start.

11:35:21 But it shouldn't be the end by any stretch of the

11:35:23 imagination.

11:35:25 We need to really -- and I think the neighborhood -- and I

11:35:28 think the citizens would agree.

11:35:29 It could be a 5, 6, 10-year plan.

11:35:35 But this is the goal, is to have this.

11:35:38 And if we don't have goals, then we are doing -- what we are

11:35:41 doing today is, okay, we can repair the pool.

11:35:47 But we have to have, besides that, where do we want to wind

11:35:51 up?

11:35:53 So with that, what Councilman Suarez, his motion, and

11:36:02 Councilman Reddick's second, I would agree, but I would like

11:36:07 to add a friendly amendment that we study with the

11:36:11 neighborhoods, with the citizens, a bigger plan, a larger

11:36:17 plan for this area, because this would do what magnet

11:36:21 schools do.

11:36:22 It will bring people from all over the city, the county, to

11:36:27 this area.

11:36:27 It's an economic engine.

11:36:30 And it's an investment in the future.

11:36:33 So that's where I think I would like to see this discussion

11:36:38 go, is immediately we have the integrity of the structure

11:36:45 that is going to be okay for two or three years, and we can

11:36:49 do probably a splash pad and the maintenance with the upkeep

11:36:56 that will not be anywhere near what a pool would be, and it

11:37:01 gives us time to maybe put that $400,000 or whatever that

11:37:05 would have been spent in lifeguards and maintaining the pool

11:37:10 toward the next project, and this is our overall plan, and

11:37:17 we are going to do this much in three years, and this much

11:37:19 in four years, and everyone is assuming -- and I know that

11:37:27 Ms. Little is very astute at looking at the future and what

11:37:34 our income for our revenues may be, and they are looking up.

11:37:38 So with that in mind, we can move that -- move forward with

11:37:41 the -- with the goal of making this a destination, and a

11:37:50 start, which it was, and it should stay.

11:37:54 That's all.

11:37:56 I would like to see us move that we continue, but a plan has

11:38:02 to be put together besides a splash pad.

11:38:05 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.

11:38:06 Let me say.

11:38:06 This I think you have to go back to prior 1935 when the

11:38:09 Cuscaden family gave that away to the city to make that a

11:38:13 park, prior to '35.

11:38:16 That was an orange grove.

11:38:18 And I wasn't there.

11:38:19 Let me say that.

11:38:21 It was a project of WPA.

11:38:27 How long is the life resources of the C.I.T.?

11:38:30 C.I.T. is not forever.

11:38:32 And it draws down on what you borrow.

11:38:35 So you have that animal to look at.

11:38:38 Tough other animal.

11:38:40 When Ms. Little made a presentation of a factual basis of

11:38:44 fact of that department and what they had, it was prior to

11:38:47 the increase of property values.

11:38:49 And at that time, we did discuss the possibility of being

11:38:54 less than $15 million was a realistic one.

11:38:58 But you also have other concerns in the budget where you

11:39:01 have decreases, and the operation of the city.

11:39:07 Yes, a pool is very needed everywhere.

11:39:11 But so is water and street, so is police and fire, so is all

11:39:17 the amenities you have, so is the signalization of the city.

11:39:23 And very few of us can say, when you talk about historical

11:39:28 park, understood this plan, there no more basketball courts,

11:39:37 no more basketball courts, a historical stadium that sat in

11:39:42 the southeast portion next to the Boys and Girls Club was

11:39:47 destroyed, brought down some years back.

11:39:50 So is it really historical to what it was?

11:39:53 I always thought historical meant what it was.

11:39:58 Evidently it doesn't mean that.

11:40:00 Because I have heard no one bring that up.

11:40:02 This is the only park that I know of in the country that has

11:40:09 not one, but two baseball players that will be in the Hall

11:40:13 of Fame that come from that same park.

11:40:17 There are none others that I know of.

11:40:19 There might be but I'm not aware of it.

11:40:22 What's going to happen there?

11:40:28 I'm not against repairing or bringing back something.

11:40:32 But if I am going to bring back something historical, I have

11:40:37 got to bring it back like it was.

11:40:39 I learned how to swim at that park.

11:40:45 When there was no swim lessons available and you put the

11:40:48 left hand on the gutter and you went around with the right

11:40:51 hand and then you went the other way going the other way.

11:40:56 The convenience that wave today in society are much greater

11:41:02 than I had growing up.

11:41:04 I had to walk at 26th to the park to swim.

11:41:12 Also part of the Tampa Housing Authority.

11:41:16 We had automobiles just about everywhere.

11:41:18 Is there an inconvenience for those resident?

11:41:20 Sure there is.

11:41:21 But there's also the park that they can get to within five

11:41:24 minutes of where they live.

11:41:27 No one had a car in that neighborhood that you didn't have

11:41:35 to walk to the park.

11:41:36 And at that time, that was the only pool.

11:41:42 They would come there from all over.

11:41:45 Let me say another thing.

11:41:46 We talk about rec parks and this and that.

11:41:51 You had to pay to get in.

11:41:55 It was 25 cents.

11:41:58 It had enough chlorine in that little wading thing to get up

11:42:03 to the pool that your finger doesn't fall off, that your

11:42:06 toenails wouldn't fall off because they wanted to make sure

11:42:10 the pool was in great condition.

11:42:12 So so many things that I remember in the pool.

11:42:16 And it was the thing you put around your leg, you paid your

11:42:20 25 cents.

11:42:22 Of that number, they gave you that item, put around your

11:42:26 ankle, and that's on the way out.

11:42:29 You had to give it back.

11:42:32 So nothing has really changed.

11:42:35 If you look at the 25-cent charge at that time and you look

11:42:39 at the dollar value today, maybe we were paying more then

11:42:44 than we are today when you look at the value of the dollar.

11:42:47 So we have everything we need.

11:42:53 Is there inconvenience there?

11:42:54 Sure there is.

11:42:55 But if you do the pool, and you forget the rest, are you

11:43:01 telling me kid don't want to play tennis anymore, kids don't

11:43:04 want to play basketball anymore, kids don't want to play

11:43:06 baseball anymore?

11:43:07 That's what I'm hearing.

11:43:08 I want to hear -- I only hear about one thing.

11:43:11 No resident has come here and talked about any other thing

11:43:14 other than the pool.

11:43:18 And that wasn't what was there historically.

11:43:22 there was activity there.

11:43:24 There was city recreation department run.

11:43:26 There was no little league at that time.

11:43:29 And there was tens of thousands of kids that came through

11:43:33 both boys and girls.

11:43:37 They became networking, became doctors, lawyers, engineers,

11:43:41 scientists, and that came out of that portion of the city.

11:43:44 And I am so proud much each and every one of them.

11:43:46 In fact, this coming Wednesday, I believe that one of the

11:43:51 Hall of Famers will be inducted in the Hall of Fame July

11:43:54 27th will be throwing out the first pitch at the Rays

11:43:56 game, only because he made that commitment some time back

11:44:00 when the cardinals played the Rays.

11:44:03 So I'm trying to sell ticket to the game, I guess.

11:44:06 So all these things are there that are historical, but talk

11:44:14 about their historical value of that pool.

11:44:16 And if we do everything that we said we are going to do, are

11:44:20 the people going to walk there?

11:44:23 I don't think so.

11:44:24 There's no parking there.

11:44:27 What are you going to do?

11:44:28 The boys club and girls club, what if they leaf?

11:44:33 It isn't because they wanted to.

11:44:35 There's a need.

11:44:36 There's a void, certainly.

11:44:39 You can only live so much for so long when you borrow money

11:44:43 out of your reserves.

11:44:45 And that's no different than any one of us taxpayers taking

11:44:49 out money out of your savings to meet your daily obligation.

11:44:53 It doesn't work very long.

11:44:56 You will soon be broke and you will soon be looking at some

11:45:01 other means of making your sustainable quality of life.

11:45:07 It is up to us, not only the administration -- and I'm not

11:45:10 talking about this mayor, prior mayors or future mayors --

11:45:14 it's up to all elected officials, if this is what we really

11:45:18 want, to work with the administration and say, you know

11:45:21 what?

11:45:21 Here is what I want you to take out of stormwater.

11:45:24 Here is way want you to take out of water.

11:45:26 Here is what I want you to take out of police department.

11:45:29 Here is what I want you to take out of the fire department

11:45:31 to meet what we want for one pool, because I never heard

11:45:35 anything else discussed.

11:45:36 All I heard is one pool.

11:45:39 Not anything that I mentioned.

11:45:41 So I'm not going to blame it on this current mayor.

11:45:50 Till we tell you what we want cut, sir, the head guy here.

11:45:54 Or the fall guy.

11:45:56 However you want.

11:45:58 But what I am trying to say, this has to be a collaborative

11:46:01 effort from all the elected officials who say, you know

11:46:03 what?

11:46:04 I want this, and here is how I am going to get it.

11:46:06 And then explain it to the general public what you did.

11:46:12 That's my way of thinking.

11:46:15 And I'm not trying to report anything but the facts.

11:46:20 So it's not an easy decision.

11:46:24 And like I said earlier, if it was easy there would be no

11:46:31 losers.

11:46:32 But we run a corporation called the City of Tampa, just like

11:46:36 any other business.

11:46:37 And if we have a lot more problems and a lot of cooperation

11:46:44 than a lot of big corporations because they deliver one

11:46:47 product and they deliver that and make a profit.

11:46:49 We have to live with that profit -- that product, I mean,

11:46:53 without making a profit, and without having a deficit.

11:46:56 So we have a balance system just like a seesaw.

11:47:01 Got to be in the middle.

11:47:02 Can't go one way or the other.

11:47:05 And that's very difficult to do in life.

11:47:07 And I applaud you, the current mayor, past mayors, future

11:47:11 elected officials of this city, because when they sit here,

11:47:14 it ain't the size of the shoe, it's the size of the person

11:47:19 what they want to do and how they want to get it done.

11:47:22 And so far, we are doing all right.

11:47:24 Not perfect.

11:47:26 But we are doing all right.

11:47:28 So I'm going to take that motion made by Mr. Suarez, second

11:47:31 by Mr. Reddick in the absence of Mr. Suarez, Mr. Reddick --

11:47:35 just a second, please -- with the that was made earlier by

11:47:39 Mrs. Capin, Mr. Reddick approves that amendment --

11:47:44 >>YVONNE CAPIN: The motion was made --

11:47:45 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I understand that, Mrs. Capin, and he's

11:47:47 not here so I can't ask him what he wants.

11:47:50 I have to ask the second one which is Mr. Reddick.

11:47:53 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I just want to make sure.

11:47:56 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Believe me.

11:47:56 Mr. Reddick accept that?

11:48:01 >>YVONNE CAPIN: It was to move what Mr. Suarez said looking

11:48:03 into the moneys that have been allotted already for aquatic

11:48:09 recreation for looking at a splash pad.

11:48:13 And I think that's what it was.

11:48:15 And I'm pretty sure.

11:48:16 But that will not be the end-all for this park, that we will

11:48:25 look at, with the neighborhoods, with the city, with the

11:48:29 citizens, at a larger goal, and how we can attain that for

11:48:34 this very important park.

11:48:37 >>FRANK REDDICK: Okay, thank you.

11:48:42 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Thank you.

11:48:43 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: All right.

11:48:44 The motion was made by Mr. Suarez and he's not here, and

11:48:51 legal?

11:48:52 >>MARTIN SHELBY: By unanimous consent if you make that

11:48:54 amendment that will be fine.

11:48:56 It.

11:48:57 >>MARY MULHERN: I'll ask council before the vote, does

11:48:59 counsel agree with that consent?

11:49:04 I have a motion for unanimous consent by Mr. Cohen, second

11:49:06 by Mrs. Mulhern on this motion in the absence of Mr. Suarez

11:49:09 here.

11:49:10 All in favor of that motion please indicate by saying aye.

11:49:12 Opposed nay.

11:49:13 Okay.

11:49:13 We have that consent.

11:49:18 Should have killed it but I didn't.

11:49:19 Just joking with you, Mr. Reddick.

11:49:22 So now, the motion goes back to Mr. Suarez' motion.

11:49:25 Seconded by Mr. Reddick.

11:49:28 Amended on the friendly consent by Mrs. Capin and Mr.

11:49:32 Reddick, approved that amendment by Mrs. Capin.

11:49:37 All in favor?

11:49:38 Opposed?

11:49:39 The ayes have it unanimously.

11:49:41 Let me also say, and not today, but I will be making a

11:49:45 motion for us to ask the administration what we want, and

11:49:50 how you are going to get the money.

11:49:52 It's not fair to put it on one elected official.

11:49:54 There are eight elected officials in this city.

11:49:58 I won't do that today.

11:50:01 Okay.

11:50:01 We go to item --

11:50:05 >> Rogero: If I could offer clarification and somewhat of

11:50:09 rebuttal to a few of the statements.

11:50:11 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: All right, let's hear it.

11:50:12 >> We would, of course, disagree with the statement that the

11:50:16 city has accepted in a responsibility for this pool.

11:50:21 I would remind council the city has invested millions of

11:50:23 dollars and countless man hours in the effort to renovate

11:50:26 this pool.

11:50:27 Now, of course, it hasn't turned out than the way we would

11:50:30 have liked.

11:50:31 But I of course can't let that go unanswered.

11:50:34 We must respectfully disagree on that particular component.

11:50:38 In terms of the timing from the report and the deficit

11:50:42 projection, I think back in January, when the motions by

11:50:47 council was made, I think everybody was looking forward to a

11:50:50 projection that was more important.

11:50:52 We anticipated scenarios wherein we wouldn't be dealing with

11:50:55 a shortfall next year.

11:50:57 Again, anticipated shortfall is less than what it's been in

11:51:01 past years, but as we take into account various factors

11:51:05 associated with models -- and again value is one component.

11:51:09 Revenue and finance department will entertain many taxable

11:51:13 value increased scenarios.

11:51:15 And that's why we give you that 10 to $15 million range.

11:51:18 So again, although the taxable value increase is good news,

11:51:22 it's only a component.

11:51:23 And, finally, I am going to ask the Parks and Recreation

11:51:26 Department to research -- Mr. Bayor would like nothing more

11:51:31 than 4,000.

11:51:35 I'm not sure we have record of 4,000 children attending

11:51:37 this. I'm not saying it doesn't exist. I have not seen it.

11:51:41 And we'll research that.

11:51:42 Because I do want to keep it in context as accurate as we

11:51:45 can.

11:51:47 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.

11:51:48 >>FRANK REDDICK: Mr. Chair, due to the time, I am going to

11:51:54 let it slide today.

11:51:55 But you will hear me respond somewhere down the road.

11:51:59 But I am going to let it slide today out of courtesy of the

11:52:03 time.

11:52:04 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you, Mr. Reddick.

11:52:05 I appreciate the courtesy of the time.

11:52:07 It's 11:49 and I would really like to get 7 done before we

11:52:11 break for lunch.

11:52:12 >> Are we going to take the vote?

11:52:21 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Which vote do you want?

11:52:23 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Sorry.

11:52:24 If I may make a suggestion, since it is time, as you point

11:52:28 out, ten to, can we take 11, 12, 13 and 14 contract items?

11:52:35 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Yes.

11:52:35 Item 74 and 78, they are going to request a continuance. If

11:52:42 they can be done before lunch I would really appreciate it.

11:52:44 I have been requested by our staff and the individuals

11:52:48 regarding those two items.

11:52:50 And is the city here on that?

11:52:53 Who is going to make that motion for the public?

11:52:55 I have to have something on the record here to do something

11:52:57 with it.

11:52:59 I have got to open the public hearing on 78 to do that.

11:53:02 And 74.

11:53:03 And let me make a motion to open items 67 through 79.

11:53:10 That will cover me.

11:53:11 Motion by Mr. Cohen.

11:53:12 Second by Mrs. Montelione.

11:53:14 Further discussion?

11:53:18 All in favor? Opposed?

11:53:19 The ayes have it unanimously.

11:53:20 Yes, sir.

11:53:20 74.

11:53:25 >>ERNEST MUELLER: Actually 78.

11:53:27 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: All right. 74.

11:53:28 >>BARBARA LYNCH: Land development coordination.

11:53:31 I am requesting continuance on second reading due to some

11:53:33 real estate issues that have come up.

11:53:37 To 6-26, 9:30.

11:53:39 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: June 26th.

11:53:42 Motion by Mrs. Mulhern.

11:53:44 Second by Mr. Cohen.

11:53:45 Before I take the vote, anyone in the public object to that

11:53:47 change?

11:53:48 All in favor of the motion please indicate by saying aye.

11:53:51 Opposed? The ayes have it unanimously.

11:53:53 We go now.

11:53:54 I was given 78. Yes, sir, 78.

11:53:57 >>ERNEST MUELLER: Assistant city attorney.

11:53:59 Requesting a continuance of this item to June 26th.

11:54:02 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Anyone in the public have any objection

11:54:04 to this item number 78 to John 26th?

11:54:09 >>FRANK REDDICK: Move to continue.

11:54:13 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I will not be here on June 26th.

11:54:16 Can we would move this to July 31?

11:54:22 June 26 is getting really packed.

11:54:25 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: It's up to them.

11:54:28 >>YVONNE CAPIN: July 31.

11:54:34 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'm wasting time.

11:54:37 >>ERNEST MUELLER: The reason we are hesitating is

11:54:40 quasi-judicial hearing where there's going to be issues of

11:54:43 witnesses, which is one of the reasons we are continuing

11:54:45 today.

11:54:45 So I can't guarantee that the 31st we are going to have

11:54:49 all the witnesses there.

11:54:50 But we can certainly --

11:54:52 >>YVONNE CAPIN: You can't guarantee you will have all the

11:54:53 witnesses June 26th either, for that matter.

11:54:58 You will have the one officer that's not here.

11:55:02 What is the guarantee on the 26th the --

11:55:08 >> What's available on June 26th.

11:55:12 >>HARRY COHEN: My understanding of the issue here is that

11:55:15 we need to have a full council to discuss this matter.

11:55:19 And it's because of the nature of it.

11:55:22 So what I would like to know from council is, could this be

11:55:25 done in an evening meeting?

11:55:27 Does it have to be done at a regular session?

11:55:29 Or could it be scheduled on any time that council is

11:55:31 meeting?

11:55:32 >>ERNEST MUELLER: I'll suggest this, we figure out if we

11:55:38 can get people here on the 31st.

11:55:40 >>HARRY COHEN: But the thing about the 31st, that's a

11:55:44 long time away from now.

11:55:45 And this is a fairly -- this should be heard sooner than

11:55:49 later so I am offering you the opportunity to bring it back

11:55:51 to us at some date when we know we are all going to be here.

11:55:56 Presumably the two night meetings that will take place

11:55:58 before July 31st.

11:56:00 >> And after lunch, I can investigate it at that point and

11:56:04 give you a better answer then.

11:56:05 >>YVONNE CAPIN: We have one the 24th, a night meeting,

11:56:10 July 24, and what else do we have?

11:56:16 >> Also have night meeting on June 26th.

11:56:20 >>HARRY COHEN: We'll talk about that under new business,

11:56:27 too.

11:56:29 >>YVONNE CAPIN: So we have a night meeting.

11:56:30 That will be fine.

11:56:31 June 24 we have a night meeting. July 24.

11:56:40 We can call a night meeting, can't we?

11:56:43 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Well --

11:56:44 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Okay.

11:56:45 >>HARRY COHEN: We have a night meeting June 12th.

11:56:51 (Overlapping conversations.)

11:56:53 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: They are talking about witnesses and we

11:56:54 are talking about days, and we don't even know who the

11:56:57 witnesses are going to be or the days, and it's getting

11:57:00 complicated more than I thought.

11:57:01 So we'll hold this till after lunch and hold 78 till after

11:57:04 lunch and come back with some information once we hear from

11:57:12 Mrs. Mulhern.

11:57:13 >>MARY MULHERN: It's six minutes till noon but I would like

11:57:17 to move that we stay until 12:30.

11:57:22 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Okay, let me take the motion.

11:57:24 And I will get to your motion in one second.

11:57:26 Let me go to Mrs. Montelione who spoke to me earlier about

11:57:29 items that she wanted to move before lunch.

11:57:31 Mrs. Montelione.

11:57:32 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I would like to move items 11, 12, 13

11:57:37 and 14 under staff reports for approval.

11:57:39 >> Second.

11:57:40 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: 11, 12, 13, 14 for staff approval.

11:57:44 I have a motion by Mrs. Montelione on those items.

11:57:47 These are staff reports.

11:57:48 Seconded by Mrs. Mulhern.

11:57:49 Further discussion by this council members?

11:57:52 I see no one.

11:57:53 All in favor of the motion? Opposed?

11:57:55 The ayes have it unanimous.

11:57:57 Thank you very much, Mrs. Montelione.

11:57:58 Mrs. Mulhern.

11:57:59 >>MARY MULHERN: Yes, I think it looks possible to be

11:58:07 through by 12:30 and not come back, have to take a lunch

11:58:10 break.

11:58:11 That was my motion.

11:58:12 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I need a 30 minute extension.

11:58:14 I have that by Mrs. Mulhern; I have a second by Mr. Cohen.

11:58:17 All in favor of that motion to continue.

11:58:23 All in favor of the motion, please indicate by saying aye.

11:58:26 Opposed?

11:58:26 The ayes have it unanimously.

11:58:36 I can do the consent agenda even though we have 7 and 8 that

11:58:40 are still looking at me here.

11:58:41 Let me go to consent agenda quickly here.

11:58:45 Public Safety Committee chair, Mr. Frank Reddick.

11:58:53 15 through 27 is what you are asking.

11:58:56 >>FRANK REDDICK: I move 15 through 27.

11:59:00 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Motion by Mr. Reddick, second by Mrs.

11:59:01 Mulhern.

11:59:02 Further discussion by council members?

11:59:03 All in favor of the motion? Opposed?

11:59:05 The ayes have it unanimously.

11:59:07 Parks, Recreation, Culture Committee chair, Mrs. Mary

11:59:10 Mulhern.

11:59:11 >>MARY MULHERN: I move items 28 through 33.

11:59:14 >>HARRY COHEN: Second.

11:59:16 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion by Mrs. Mulhern, second

11:59:18 by Mr. Cohen.

11:59:20 Discussion by council members?

11:59:21 All in favor?

11:59:21 Opposed?

11:59:22 The ayes have it unanimously.

11:59:24 Public Works Committee, vice chair, Mrs. Mary Mulhern.

11:59:27 >>MARY MULHERN: I move items 34 through 44.

11:59:33 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion by Mrs. Mulhern.

11:59:35 I have a second by Mr. Cohen.

11:59:36 Further discussion by council members?

11:59:37 All in favor of the motion?

11:59:39 Opposed?

11:59:39 The ayes have it unanimously.

11:59:41 Finance Committee chair, Mr. Harry Cohen.

11:59:45 >> I move 45 through 49.

11:59:48 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion by Mr. Cohen.

11:59:49 Second by Mrs. Mulhern.

11:59:53 All in favor?

11:59:53 Opposed?

11:59:54 The eyes are getting weaker but they pass.

12:00:01 Building, zoning, committee preservation chair committee,

12:00:05 Mrs. Lisa Montelione.

12:00:06 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I move items 50 through 52, 54 through

12:00:12 62, and the substitute resolution for item number 53.

12:00:19 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion by Mrs. Mulhern, (sic) I

12:00:20 have a second by Mrs. Mulhern.

12:00:22 All in favor of that motion? Opposed?

12:00:24 The ayes have it unanimously

12:00:26 Transportation committee chair, Yvonne Capin.

12:00:31 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I move 63 and 64.

12:00:33 >> Second.

12:00:34 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion by Mrs. Capin, second by

12:00:36 Mr. Cohen.

12:00:36 All in favor? Opposed?

12:00:38 The ayes have it unanimously.

12:00:39 We go back to item number 7.

12:00:42 Thank you very much, council members.

12:00:42 >>JULIA MANDELL: City attorney.

12:00:45 I did have an opportunity to brief all of you generally on

12:00:48 the issue of hard-cost liens, and the use of a potential

12:00:51 special assessment district in order to collect those

12:00:54 hard-cost liens which was really the remaining usual you out

12:00:59 of this item.

12:01:00 I have had opportunity to speak with the attorney

12:01:02 representing the Hillsborough County tax collector as well

12:01:05 as my own research and look at what other jurisdictions who

12:01:11 have done this and started to do.

12:01:12 At this time, I really can't recommend giving you

12:01:16 conversations of the, take cuts when I spoke with you, I

12:01:22 can't recommend that we move forward on an ordinance which

12:01:25 creates a special assessment district, but that is not to

12:01:29 say that the city attorney's office is not looking at

12:01:32 alternatives and will continue to monitor these issues, and

12:01:34 we intend top move forward with all of those items in terms

12:01:37 of looking at our code, looking at this ordinance, and I

12:01:40 will continue to monitor it as well as looking at some

12:01:43 internal options that we might have for questions.

12:01:47 So that's really all I have for you today and I am happy to

12:01:50 tap any questions.

12:01:52 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Mr. Cohen.

12:01:53 >>HARRY COHEN: Thank you very much, madam city attorney.

12:01:55 I think if it would be all right with council, I would like

12:02:00 for you to come back to us in maybe 90 days with a status

12:02:04 update, because this is an idea, it's the one thing that we

12:02:08 have zeroed in on that we might be able to do, to add some

12:02:12 teeth to some of our enforcement efforts, and if there's

12:02:15 anything that comes up that you think we can add, I don't

12:02:20 want this to fall off the radar and not be brought back.

12:02:24 So if everyone is amenable to it, I would just like to make

12:02:28 a motion to bring this back under staff reports on August

12:02:31 28th at 9:00 a.m.

12:02:33 >> Second.

12:02:35 >>JULIA MANDELL: And I will be attending the Florida

12:02:38 municipal attorneys association meeting prior to that and

12:02:40 hopefully I can start to pic the brains of some other smart

12:02:44 folks that look at these issues as well.

12:02:46 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: A motion by Mr. Cohen, seconded by Mrs.

12:02:49 Capin on a close vote with Mrs. Montelione.

12:02:52 All in favor?

12:02:52 Opposed?

12:02:53 The ayes have it unanimously.

12:02:55 Item number 8.

12:02:55 >> Irvin Lee: I wanted to take a few moments here to give

12:03:12 you an update as requested on the May 2nd rain event.

12:03:20 There were three particular issues that were discussed or

12:03:23 asked about.

12:03:26 The flooding that occurred, the impact of that on the north

12:03:32 Tampa area, and our capital program that goes with it.

12:03:37 First of all, on the 2nd, the weather forecasters gave

12:03:48 us a 60% chance of rain in the area.

12:03:51 This was a result of a system that was moving over -- slowly

12:03:56 over west central and southwest Florida.

12:04:00 The rainfall that we received from that system resulted in

12:04:03 what was classified as a 100 year storm.

12:04:06 So essentially there was a one percent chance of that amount

12:04:10 of rainfall occurring in that period of time, in this

12:04:14 particular location.

12:04:16 The area that was ground zero for the bulk of the rainfall

12:04:20 that occurred during that event was in the area around Busch

12:04:23 Gardens and Temple Terrace, what we consider the north Tampa

12:04:26 area.

12:04:28 We had numerous report of flooding there.

12:04:33 The flooding was extensive.

12:04:36 With the volume of rain and the short period of time in

12:04:39 which it occurred, it extended even into areas that we

12:04:43 typically don't see a lot, even up into the USF campus.

12:04:49 What I would like to do is show you some graphics from the

12:04:51 National Weather Service.

12:04:53 The first shows the entire state, central portion of the

12:04:59 state and gives you an idea of the type of event we were

12:05:02 looking at.

12:05:03 You can see Tampa right here in this area.

12:05:09 And you see that area just north and east of where Tampa is,

12:05:14 and the colors associated with what's going on here.

12:05:20 You can see that right across the top there.

12:05:22 This was again very intense amount of rain in a very short

12:05:27 period of time.

12:05:29 To zero in on this just a little bit more, this gives you a

12:05:31 better feel for what it was like actually in that north

12:05:35 Tampa area.

12:05:37 You will notice right here Temple Terrace.

12:05:40 This is -- right below here is South Tampa.

12:05:46 You can see the Tampa peninsula.

12:05:48 But Tampa majority of the impact of this storm, again, in

12:05:53 the north and northeast portion of the city.

12:06:00 The marine gauges estimated anywhere from 6 to 10 inches,

12:06:04 and as specific to the National Weather Service's rainfall

12:06:09 report, they provided this graphic, which the way this is

12:06:15 read is this is the rainfall for the last 48 hours.

12:06:20 So if you look here, you will notice that it talks about

12:06:25 northeast Tampa, in this particular area, from the 1st

12:06:33 to the 3rd, a 48-hour period encompassing that time

12:06:38 frame at 7:00 a.m.

12:06:41 9.17 inches.

12:06:44 Was recorded at this particular gauge.

12:06:46 I don't have the precise location, but this gives you the

12:06:51 summary of what the National Weather Service received in

12:06:55 terms of rainfall from a variety of sources at these

12:06:59 different areas.

12:07:00 And you will notice as I said, the northeast Tampa, Temple

12:07:03 Terrace, you can see the amount of rainfall received.

12:07:09 So again, this was an intense storm, a very unusual storm,

12:07:17 and brought with it significant amounts of rainfall.

12:07:23 As far as the north Tampa area in terms of our flood control

12:07:27 efforts, you may recall that we cut the ribbon on our city's

12:07:33 donut pond pump station which is part of a joint project and

12:07:37 executed with the county, the city's portion was 16 million

12:07:42 of the 27 million.

12:07:43 The performance of this system, we are still analyzing it.

12:07:46 As you can imagine, there's quite a bit of data not only in

12:07:49 terms of the run times on the pumps but the actual amount of

12:07:54 rainfall, the amount of flow, of rain water, that was

12:07:59 actually pumped.

12:08:01 The system design characteristics were for a 25 year storm.

12:08:05 So again, what we had was a one percent likelihood of

12:08:10 occurrence.

12:08:11 We designed for a 4% likelihood of recurrence.

12:08:18 As I said, we are working not only with the county staff but

12:08:20 the folks that designed the system, installed it and the

12:08:22 consultants who provided some of the design support as well.

12:08:26 We need a little more time to work together to evaluate how

12:08:28 the components operated and performed, and we will obviously

12:08:35 make sure that in the event that something like this occurs

12:08:37 again, which we hope will be highly unlikely, but again we

12:08:44 want to be prepared to make sure that we can respond to the

12:08:47 types of accumulation that we seek.

12:08:50 This is just an overhead of the system.

12:08:53 If you are not familiar with this area, essentially what's

12:08:56 happening here is you have got this area up in the county

12:09:00 that is draining down through the city, and 30th street

12:09:07 which is along the right portion of that, water down to the

12:09:13 Hillsborough River.

12:09:14 And you will notice many of the streets in this area down

12:09:17 here, again, demonstrate flooding that had not been seen in

12:09:24 years.

12:09:25 With that, I will be happy to answer any questions or

12:09:28 attempt to address any concerns you might have.

12:09:32 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Mrs. Mulhern and Mrs. Montelione.

12:09:34 >>MARY MULHERN: I just want to suggest that -- I know when

12:09:38 you get your 100 year, your 1% chance figure, where does

12:09:42 that come from?

12:09:46 Who gives that?

12:09:48 Where do you get that statistical analysis, from the

12:09:51 National Weather Service?

12:09:53 >> The National Weather Service.

12:09:55 And historical averages.

12:09:56 >>MARY MULHERN: The historical averages aren't going to be

12:10:02 right anymore because of climate change, and we need to look

12:10:05 at that, especially in our planning, transportation, you

12:10:10 know, in south Florida, they are already experiencing more

12:10:16 ongoing problems with flooding, and saltwater intrusion in

12:10:20 the roads getting flooded, we need to start doing that.

12:10:24 You know, when we are seeing -- we are going to be seeing

12:10:28 more of this, because it's extreme weather of all kinds

12:10:35 happening all over the world.

12:10:36 So I think we need to maybe think a little beyond the

12:10:40 historical 100 year average.

12:10:46 >> But to build to that standard, that's just a set that we

12:10:53 have, because in the past, where we may have a different

12:10:57 area, or it may have been spread out over the area, where we

12:11:02 have the opportunity to -- in this case, again, it was very

12:11:09 focused in that one particular area.

12:11:14 I think your main point very seriously because, yes, you are

12:11:18 correct, we will incorporate, you know, the changes that we

12:11:21 see, and the standards that exist.

12:11:25 We will incorporate those in our future designs.

12:11:28 But in this particular case, a project that was completed

12:11:30 this past January, the design analysis that's the basis for

12:11:34 that were purely on the historical figures that were

12:11:37 available at that time.

12:11:38 >>MARY MULHERN: I'm just saying we need to look beyond

12:11:43 that.

12:11:43 >> We will.

12:11:45 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Mrs. Montelione.

12:11:46 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Thank you, Mr. Chair, and I beg come

12:11:50 up's forgiveness before I start because I have got quite a

12:11:52 lot of information that I received from Mr. Rogero and Mr.

12:11:58 Lee and our budget team on this.

12:12:00 I want to start out, if you can get out and put some of

12:12:04 those photographs on the overhead for me.

12:12:10 When Mr. Lee talks about the flooding, this is some of the

12:12:13 flooding.

12:12:14 What happens, this is at the height of the storm.

12:12:17 What you see there in the background behind the fence is one

12:12:19 of -- the stormwater pond that was in the lower portion of

12:12:23 the picture that Mr. Lee had up earlier.

12:12:26 >> Irvin Lee: Poinsettia.

12:12:34 .

12:12:35 >>LISA MONTELIONE: That line of bushes you see there,

12:12:37 that's the back wall of Busch Gardens parking lot.

12:12:40 That's a pond that is directly behind the parking lot.

12:12:43 And that's obviously impassable, but trying to pass it, not

12:12:50 a good idea.

12:12:53 What street is that?

12:12:57 It's 99th and -- oh, I can't remember.

12:13:08 East 99th.

12:13:11 That's one of the homes that was there.

12:13:13 That's after the water receded.

12:13:16 So you can see it's beyond the doorway.

12:13:19 So that house did take on water.

12:13:23 This one is Linebaugh.

12:13:26 It's nearly the same corner.

12:13:28 This is one block up.

12:13:30 That's east Linebaugh there.

12:13:33 And that's Busch Gardens parking lot once again.

12:13:38 This is on the way to the project that we talked about, the

12:13:45 donut pond down at the end of that street, 113th, an

12:13:50 apartment complex right there.

12:13:52 Maybe what you can't see readily is there's a car where the

12:13:54 water is past the tires on the car.

12:14:00 Yes, right there.

12:14:01 Thank you.

12:14:04 This is another homeowner.

12:14:06 I was on her property across from the pond.

12:14:09 This is in the area of Elmer and 18th.

12:14:13 This is right off of Busch Boulevard.

12:14:15 About two blocks.

12:14:16 So it's not anywhere near the other area that we were

12:14:21 talking about.

12:14:25 Next.

12:14:25 That's 30th street.

12:14:26 That's the day after.

12:14:29 That is someone who didn't -- because 30th street, the

12:14:32 water was knee deep, couldn't see, couldn't tell where the

12:14:37 road started and stopped and drove into the ditch.

12:14:42 That's the corner of Linebaugh and 30th.

12:14:48 That, I don't remember the address on that.

12:14:50 I drove around so many streets on that day.

12:14:53 It was during the storm I was driving around.

12:14:55 You could see some of the debris floating in the water

12:14:59 there.

12:14:59 That's another storm with water pond.

12:15:01 I believe that might be poinsettia pond.

12:15:05 And you can see, this is -- I'm standing on the homeowner's

12:15:10 property and those are her landscape plants that are on her

12:15:14 corner.

12:15:14 That's about four feet deep.

12:15:20 Next.

12:15:22 Again, that's looking the other direction, the same block.

12:15:28 That's after the water started to recede.

12:15:30 This, on the other hand, is Seminole Heights, provided by

12:15:34 Kimberly Overman to me.

12:15:37 That's just top show the depth of the water that was in

12:15:40 Seminole Heights.

12:15:41 Next.

12:15:43 That's also Seminole Heights.

12:15:45 That's the backyard of the house.

12:15:48 As you can see there's Whitewater there.

12:15:50 That's the river, just beyond there.

12:15:55 >>YVONNE CAPIN: That's the river coming down?

12:15:57 >> Yes.

12:15:59 FROM THE FLOOR: That's actually stormwater pond.

12:16:01 >>LISA MONTELIONE: You have to come up to the microphone.

12:16:05 >> Not the river but going to the river.

12:16:08 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Yes.

12:16:11 Next, there is another one, stormwater trying to find the

12:16:15 river.

12:16:17 That's the same house again.

12:16:20 We didn't need to show that.

12:16:22 Is that it?

12:16:23 All right.

12:16:24 So now it gives you some perspective of what I saw when I

12:16:28 was driving around during that storm.

12:16:31 I did go on camera with an investigative reporter, Mr.

12:16:35 Andrews, who was trying to say that it was money that we did

12:16:40 not spend wisely when we put money into that project.

12:16:43 I corrected him, if we didn't put that p much money into the

12:16:49 project the water would be knee deep on Fowler Avenue whip

12:16:52 is what happened in 2005 or 2006.

12:16:54 So that is a good step.

12:16:58 The water was still very, very deep on Fowler Avenue, but it

12:17:02 wasn't quite as bad as knee deep lake it was in 2005.

12:17:07 What concerns me is that we don't have, as Ms. Mulhern

12:17:11 pointed out, we don't have the resources, the funding, to do

12:17:16 what we need to do, because as you said, Mr. Lee, it very,

12:17:20 very, very expensive, and than with climate change, these

12:17:24 storms are going to hit us when we least expect it, they are

12:17:29 going to not come during hurricane season, they are going to

12:17:33 come whenever they descend upon us, it's going to be quick,

12:17:38 we are not going to have a lot of response time to react,

12:17:42 and wave to start planning now.

12:17:44 I mean, this is probably a 10, 20, 30-year look forward into

12:17:50 what we need to do to address the issues of the more severe

12:17:55 storms.

12:17:56 And I have got the public works, stormwater divisions

12:18:02 program review, 13, 14 fiscal year.

12:18:05 I discussed this with the whole team about a month or two

12:18:08 ago, and with Mr. Herr again the other day, and there's only

12:18:13 13 projects here.

12:18:14 I know that there's a possibility of adding a few more,

12:18:17 because of the problems that we continue to have in South

12:18:20 Tampa, and those projects may or may not be added this

12:18:24 fiscal year.

12:18:25 But we need to do more.

12:18:27 We need -- we talked about budget money this morning, about,

12:18:32 you know, the Cuscaden pool, but this is people's lives.

12:18:38 This is people's livelihood and their property.

12:18:43 We had photographs on the news of the San Juan market on

12:18:47 Hillsborough, and other markets.

12:18:50 Those vegetables were floating in the middle of Hillsborough

12:18:52 Avenue.

12:18:54 So this is a matter of protecting our citizens and our

12:18:59 businesses, and our economic liability for the next, you

12:19:03 know, 25 to 30 years.

12:19:05 So what I am asking for is for the budget department and the

12:19:11 stormwater division to get together and do a full assessment

12:19:17 of what fund are going to be needed to address these very,

12:19:24 very expensive projects.

12:19:26 And I'm begging for additional work in the very near future,

12:19:32 in the '15 budget, for relief in some of those other ponds.

12:19:39 Although we did a great job at the donut pond and the duck

12:19:42 pond on the other side of the county line, north of

12:19:46 university square mall, poinsettia pond and all of the other

12:19:50 smaller ponds that were in those pictures have not been

12:19:53 approved in years.

12:19:56 I know one of them is going to get some underground pumping

12:19:59 station put in, instead of the above-ground, but we need

12:20:03 either more ponds, or we need a new technology look at what

12:20:09 is going to be able to alleviate those areas.

12:20:14 I don't know what the answers are.

12:20:15 I am not a stormwater engineer.

12:20:17 But we really do need to have a more comprehensive and

12:20:24 longer outlook for how we are going to deal with it.

12:20:29 >>HARRY COHEN: Thank you, Councilman Montelione.

12:20:33 Councilman Capin.

12:20:36 >>YVONNE CAPIN: (off microphone) I would also like to find

12:20:45 out what grants we are applying for, what grants, you know,

12:20:51 federal, state grants, where are we in those terms?

12:20:56 And if you don't mind, that would be a friendly amendment to

12:21:02 your motion.

12:21:03 >>HARRY COHEN: There is no motion.

12:21:11 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I would like to know the grants we are

12:21:13 applying for, both state and federal.

12:21:15 >> We have been very successful in collaborating with the

12:21:19 Southwest Florida Water Management District, county, and as

12:21:22 you know on the duck pond project, DEP, engaged in a variety

12:21:28 of sources that we have been approaching, and we have been

12:21:31 very successful at integrating and leveraging those

12:21:34 additional dollars in our program.

12:21:35 >> Excellent.

12:21:36 And I would like to know what is in the pipeline, if you

12:21:40 will.

12:21:41 Thank you.

12:21:41 >>HARRY COHEN: Well, thank you first of all, Councilman

12:21:47 Montelione, for bringing this issue up and for those

12:21:50 pictures.

12:21:51 Anyone that's used them can see that is an untenable

12:21:54 situation for us to continue in, in a city of this says.

12:21:58 I also want to thank the public works department, because as

12:22:03 juxtaposition to Councilwoman Montelione's north district, I

12:22:07 represent of course the south district, and there is no

12:22:11 other issue that consumes as much of our time and energy are

12:22:20 as the issue of stormwater and street flooding.

12:22:22 And while it didn't hit South Tampa as heavily as north, it

12:22:25 created some massive issues, particularly on Bayshore

12:22:28 Boulevard, particularly on some of the residential streets

12:22:33 outside of that.

12:22:38 One of the reasons that I have pushed so hard to do things

12:22:40 like the today natural dredging project and for us to

12:22:43 continue to put infrastructure resources into things like

12:22:46 the pump stations that we put in, in the individual street

12:22:51 amelioration project, is because this is not just anesthetic

12:22:58 issue.

12:22:58 This is truly a public safety issue.

12:23:00 You can see that there is a real danger of cars being swept

12:23:05 away by this water.

12:23:07 And again, I want to thank the public works department,

12:23:09 because we had a problem a few years ago down on bay vista

12:23:18 and where it around people couldn't drive their cars, and

12:23:21 our public works department did get out there and did do the

12:23:23 work to fix the project.

12:23:26 On Gunby and Bayshore, the area that flooded so badly,

12:23:31 during this last storm, the work is being done right this

12:23:33 minute to ameliorate some of that.

12:23:36 The other issues that some of these neighbors have is, most

12:23:40 of the photographs that Councilwoman Montelione showed were

12:23:45 very bad flooding that over a period of a couple of days

12:23:48 ended up resolving itself and the water receded.

12:23:51 But we have certain neighborhoods whereby the waters did not

12:23:55 recede at all and collect for weeks and weeks at a time,

12:23:58 because breeding ground for mosquitoes.

12:24:04 And we have a number of streets that have been waiting

12:24:07 patiently for some assistance.

12:24:14 And for a rain event, they actually become impassable.

12:24:18 There are three streets in particular in South Tampa where

12:24:22 the residents are really truly almost at a breaking point.

12:24:25 Kensington, Edison and Marjorie.

12:24:29 I know the administration is going to be looking at how we

12:24:31 can assist those streets, and I appreciate that.

12:24:35 And I know that the neighbors that live in those areas

12:24:38 appreciate it.

12:24:39 Finally, before Councilwoman Mulhern has asked to speak, her

12:24:44 point is dead on.

12:24:46 This is going to get worse.

12:24:47 And it's not going to get worse.

12:24:50 I was going to say it's not our fault that it's going to get

12:24:53 worse but it is our fault that it's going to get worse.

12:24:55 It's our collective fault.

12:24:56 It's the problem of human beings burning fossil fuels and

12:25:02 continuing to grow that is causing the extreme weather

12:25:07 events.

12:25:07 And as our infrastructure ages, we have got to stay on top

12:25:11 of continuing to fight against the problem that we all know

12:25:17 climate change is exacerbated.

12:25:20 So with that, Councilwoman Mulhern asked to speak on a

12:25:23 second round.

12:25:24 And if any of my other colleagues would like to, we'll open

12:25:27 the floor to them after she's finished.

12:25:29 >>MARY MULHERN: Thank you.

12:25:30 I had one question and then I'll make a motion and see if we

12:25:33 can agree on that.

12:25:39 I can't read this, but we know with the northeast portion of

12:25:46 the city, where the heaviest rainfall was during that storm,

12:25:51 right?

12:25:53 So that just happened to be the weather pattern.

12:25:58 Is that consistently -- when you look at the storms we have,

12:26:04 did that area get hit harder because of just normal weather

12:26:07 patterns?

12:26:07 Or it could be any anywhere?

12:26:09 It could have happened in South Tampa where Councilman Cohen

12:26:13 just -- where we are rate by the bay.

12:26:17 So it could have been worse.

12:26:23 If we got 8 inches or 7 inches.

12:26:25 So we need to look at the cost of even bigger because wave

12:26:30 to look at the whole city.

12:26:32 So I am going to suggest that we have a workshop on this,

12:26:37 how we are going to deal with flooding in these extreme

12:26:48 storms.

12:26:50 And with looking at the fact weather pattern changes because

12:26:57 of climate change, and I could, you know, we could have

12:27:01 somebody from SWFWMD and maybe someone from the NOAA to come

12:27:09 in and talk about that, or I could get someone from the

12:27:13 Tampa Bay estuary program who deals with seawater rise, but

12:27:20 they also look at, you know, they look at the bay and

12:27:22 everything, take.

12:27:23 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I'll second that.

12:27:30 >>HARRY COHEN: The next really date is October 23rd.

12:27:32 >> We aren't going to be able to do anything --

12:27:36 >>LISA MONTELIONE: It's going to be afternoon hurricane

12:27:38 season.

12:27:39 >>HARRY COHEN: But it is a long-term issue.

12:27:41 >> I am going to make another one after that.

12:27:46 >>HARRY COHEN: You seconded it.

12:27:51 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I already seconded it.

12:27:54 And then some of the things that Mrs. Capin brought up as

12:27:56 well.

12:27:57 So during the workshop on the 23rd, SWFWMD and NOAA, the

12:28:03 USF St. Petersburg campus coastal -- I can't remember --

12:28:10 CACHE, whatever, to have them come in because they have been

12:28:13 doing extensive work in this area for quite awhile.

12:28:23 CJ Reynold working with sustainability is working over there

12:28:27 now and she's a great resource.

12:28:29 I would like to also mention some of the things that Mrs.

12:28:31 Capin brought up.

12:28:33 Because while the statement is that we do receive a lot of

12:28:37 grants, and we are greatly, you know, always looking out for

12:28:43 what opportunities are available, I would like to

12:28:45 specifically know how many -- I think that's what Mrs. Capin

12:28:48 was getting to -- how many have we applied for?

12:28:51 And how many are in the pipeline, I think is the verbiage

12:28:56 that she used, right now.

12:28:59 And that way, maybe we can see if we need to expand our

12:29:05 search for grants.

12:29:08 And we do have a grant writer that was hired not long ago.

12:29:13 I would like to know how many she's got in process.

12:29:16 And that would be helpful or if you have a grant writer on

12:29:18 your own staff.

12:29:20 No, you do not.

12:29:21 Okay.

12:29:21 So that would be helpful.

12:29:23 I would also like to include in not just the discussion of

12:29:27 the flooding but the aftermath of the flooding, because some

12:29:31 of the roads in my district, especially in this area, you

12:29:36 drive them, and you think that they are dirt roads, because

12:29:39 the asphalt is so degradated from the flooding that has been

12:29:45 occurring year after year after year that when I drove

12:29:48 around with Mr. Herr right after he was hired in the City of

12:29:55 Tampa with Alex Awad and we looked at all the stormwater

12:30:00 facilities, and going, Look at the streets, look at the

12:30:03 roads, look at the curbs, because it's deteriorating because

12:30:07 of the constant flooding.

12:30:08 And we did on May 27th, two weeks after the rain event,

12:30:14 the ground was so saturated that there was no percolation

12:30:18 happening at all.

12:30:19 So all of the areas that he saw flooded on the second were

12:30:23 flooded again on the 27th.

12:30:25 And we closed some roads and did, you know, that drill all

12:30:29 over again, because it's the frequency of storms that are

12:30:33 happening.

12:30:33 >> The water table raises.

12:30:36 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Right. Okay.

12:30:39 So those are the things individually to add to the workshop.

12:30:42 And as far as budget and finance goes, we really need to

12:30:48 address that portion of it.

12:30:51 And I had talked about looking at what other cities are

12:30:54 doing to keep up with this and found that information that

12:31:00 was provided by our department, that the stormwater fees

12:31:07 that's charged here in the City of Tampa is at the bottom of

12:31:10 the barrel when you look at the stormwater fees all over the

12:31:13 state.

12:31:14 So we are not keeping up with other areas as far as the

12:31:21 revenue we are taking in.

12:31:23 And I have revenues, or sheets from the meeting that I had

12:31:28 with budget and finance and maybe Mrs. Little you can

12:31:30 address the financial portion of it.

12:31:35 124 okay, I have a motion on the floor.

12:31:38 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Take the motion for the workshop and

12:31:42 then hear from Mrs. Little.

12:31:44 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: The motion made by Mrs. Mulhern, seconded

12:31:48 by Mrs. Montelione.

12:31:50 The one that made the motion makes sure that those

12:31:52 individuals are coming on October 23rd.

12:31:56 I put the burden back on the maker of the motion.

12:31:58 >> I'll help.

12:32:00 >>MARY MULHERN: Oh, yeah.

12:32:01 The people I talked about inviting?

12:32:04 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Right.

12:32:04 >>MARY MULHERN: Yes, I'll do that.

12:32:07 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: October 23rd at what time?

12:32:12 9:00 in the morning Tampa year 2014.

12:32:17 Motion made by Mrs. Mulhern.

12:32:19 Seconded by Mrs. Montelione.

12:32:20 All in favor of that motion?

12:32:22 Opposed?

12:32:23 The ayes have it unanimously.

12:32:25 Mrs. Little.

12:32:30 >>SONYA LITTLE: Good afternoon.

12:32:33 Sonya Little, revenue and finance.

12:32:36 I believe the request that was made was for the revenue and

12:32:39 finance department to give an overview of the stormwater

12:32:42 budget.

12:32:42 And if I can just briefly just give you a figure as it

12:32:47 relates to our current fiscal year 2014 budget, as it stands

12:32:52 right now, as councilwoman alluded to, stormwater fees,

12:33:01 roughly $6.2 million is what we are budgeted for, for the

12:33:04 2014 fiscal you're.

12:33:06 Of that amount, 4.9 million, roughly, goes to right-of-way

12:33:13 department, in which paving and street sweeping and so forth

12:33:18 are part of our stormwater system on the operating side.

12:33:23 In addition to the stormwater department we have a budget

12:33:29 obviously for the capital portion.

12:33:31 So the capital portion, which includes transfers from our

12:33:35 utility tax fund, as well as grants and other sources of

12:33:40 revenue for the 15 -- I'm sorry, for the '14 fiscal year, we

12:33:46 are budgeted for $15.5 million to satisfy the capital needs

12:33:52 for the stormwater department, whereas the prior fiscal

12:33:56 year, fiscal year 2013 we were budgeted at 7 .350 million.

12:34:08 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I need a motion to go -- let me tell you.

12:34:10 I have about 12 second hearings.

12:34:13 I have a couple of first hearings.

12:34:15 We are not going to make in the 30 minutes.

12:34:17 >>LISA MONTELIONE: We are breaking for lunch of a after

12:34:24 this.

12:34:24 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: That's what I wanted to ask, because it's

12:34:26 12:30.

12:34:28 Any other discussion on this item, item number 8?

12:34:32 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I was going to make a motion for Mrs.

12:34:35 Little to come back with Mr. Perry to have -- maybe we can

12:34:40 do it during the workshop as well.

12:34:42 I don't know if you want to do it -- Mrs. Mulhern, to talk

12:34:47 about the financial picture, and what we can do looking at

12:34:50 other options for stormwater and public works funding.

12:34:56 Do you want to do that during the workshop or do that

12:34:59 separate?

12:34:59 The funding peace.

12:35:00 >>MARY MULHERN: We may just want to have the workshop and

12:35:07 you can be here, but part of what we are going to talk about

12:35:11 might be funding options.

12:35:12 >>LISA MONTELIONE: So it would take you that long to --

12:35:18 >>MARY MULHERN: If the department could come back with some

12:35:22 suggestions.

12:35:23 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I'll make the motion to add to the

12:35:24 workshop on October 23rd to look to have budget finance

12:35:29 come back with our grant writer to look at funding options.

12:35:41 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Back to the original motion.

12:35:42 But was that vote taken on the motion?

12:35:46 Okay, so we are going to add that?

12:35:49 Let me make that motion because I want it in the record.

12:35:53 I have a motion by Mrs. Montelione to add to the original

12:35:55 motion that was made by Mrs. Mulhern and Mrs. Montelione.

12:35:58 Seconded this motion by Mrs. Capin.

12:36:01 All in favor of the motion, please indicate by saying -- to

12:36:04 add that further language in the original motion, please

12:36:07 indicate by saying aye.

12:36:08 Opposed nay.

12:36:09 The ayes have it unanimously.

12:36:10 Okay.

12:36:10 We are going to be in recess till 2:00, an hour and a half

12:36:14 or so.

12:36:15 Mrs. Mulhern.

12:36:15 >>MARY MULHERN: Can I just move for continuance for 9 and

12:36:21 10?

12:36:23 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: When we come back.

12:36:24 We stand in recess till 2:00.

12:36:27 >> (City Council meeting in recess.)



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2:00 p.m. session

[Sounding gavel]

02:08:56 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: City Council is called to order.

02:08:57 Roll call.

02:08:58 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Here.

02:08:58 >>FRANK REDDICK: Here.

02:09:05 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Present.

02:09:08 >>HARRY COHEN: Here.

02:09:09 >>MARY MULHERN: Here.

02:09:11 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Here.

02:09:11 We are on 9 and 10.

02:09:13 I believe Mrs. Mulhern will make a motion to that effect.

02:09:15 >>MARY MULHERN: I make a motion to continue both those

02:09:20 items to June 19th workshop agenda, 9 a.m.

02:09:28 >>HARRY COHEN: Second.

02:09:32 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: That second was a tie.

02:09:33 I have a motion by Mrs. Mulhern, second by Mr. Suarez on a

02:09:37 close vote with Mr. Cohen.

02:09:41 Anyone in the public care to speak on 9 and 10 on the

02:09:44 continuation to the day of June 19th at 9:00 a.m.?

02:09:48 Seeing none, I'll take the vote.

02:09:49 All in favor of the motion please indicate by saying aye.

02:09:52 Opposed nay.

02:09:53 The ayes have it unanimously.

02:09:56 Now we go to, I believe, unfinished business.

02:10:01 And no reports.

02:10:03 We go to items being presented for public hearing by City

02:10:07 Council for consent.

02:10:08 Item number 65.

02:10:09 >> Move to set the public hearings.

02:10:17 >> Setting a public hearing for June 26th at 6 p.m. and

02:10:25 July 17th at 10:30 a.m.

02:10:27 All in favor? Opposed? The ayes have it unanimously.

02:10:29 Now we go to public hearings, second reading, proposed

02:10:33 ordinance item number 66.

02:10:35 I think I opened all of these.

02:10:36 I opened 67 through 79 and did not open 66.

02:10:44 Motion by Mrs. Montelione to open 66.

02:10:46 A second by Mr. Cohen to open 66.

02:10:50 All in favor?

02:10:51 Opposed?

02:10:51 The ayes have it unanimously.

02:10:57 Ordinance for second reading.

02:11:00 Is petitioner here?

02:11:01 >>JULIA MANDELL: City attorney.

02:11:06 This is an ordinance which would amend our code to allow the

02:11:10 bicycle share shelter, has signage and advertising on them.

02:11:14 This is second reading.

02:11:15 We have discussed it at first reading.

02:11:18 If you have any questions I'm available.

02:11:20 >>HARRY COHEN: If I remember correctly there were some

02:11:24 provisions that did not allow for the advertising in a

02:11:28 couple of naked.

02:11:29 >> The ordinance only designates those areas where they are

02:11:32 allowed and if they are not within those areas they are not

02:11:35 allowed.

02:11:35 Thank you.

02:11:38 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion to close.

02:11:40 Anyone in the public care to speak on item 66?

02:11:42 I don't see any.

02:11:43 I have a motion to close by Mrs. Montelione, second by Mr.

02:11:46 Cohen.

02:11:46 All in favor of the motion?

02:11:48 Opposed?

02:11:48 The ayes have it unanimously.

02:11:56 Number 66, Mrs. Montelione.

02:11:57 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Microphone.

02:12:00 Here we go.

02:12:01 I move an ordinance being presented for second reading and

02:12:03 dogs, ordinance of the city of Tampa, Florida making

02:12:06 revisions total City of Tampa code ordinances chapter 22,

02:12:09 streets and sidewalks amending article 1, subdivision 4 --

02:12:16 division 3, subdivision 4, benches displaying advertising,

02:12:19 repealing all ordinances or parts of ordinances in conflict

02:12:22 therewith, providing for severability, providing an

02:12:25 effective date.

02:12:31 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Motion by Mrs. Montelione.

02:12:33 Second by Mr. Suarez.

02:12:34 Roll call vote.

02:12:35 Vote and record.

02:12:36 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried unanimously.

02:12:44 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: We go to item number 67.

02:12:53 >>ABBYE FEELEY: Land Development Coordination.

02:12:54 Item 67 and 69 both require certified site plans.

02:12:59 Those plans have been certified and provided to the clerk.

02:13:04 Staff is available for any questions.

02:13:06 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you.

02:13:06 Anyone in the audience care to speak on item number 67?

02:13:09 67?

02:13:10 I see none.

02:13:11 Need a motion to close.

02:13:13 I have a motion by Mr. Reddick, seconded by Mr. Cohen to

02:13:16 close.

02:13:16 All in favor of the motion?

02:13:18 Opposed?

02:13:19 The ayes have it unanimously.

02:13:20 Mr. Cohen, would you kindly read the ordinance, please?

02:13:22 >>HARRY COHEN: I move an ordinance being presented for

02:13:26 second reading and adoption, an ordinance approving a

02:13:29 special use permit S-2 for alcoholic beverage sales, small

02:13:33 venue, consumption on premises only and making lawful the

02:13:37 sale of beverages regardless of alcoholic content, beer wine

02:13:40 and liquor, on that certain lot, plot or tract of land

02:13:44 located at 2223 North Westshore Boulevard, unit B-227,

02:13:50 Tampa, Florida as more particularly described in section 2

02:13:52 than that all ordinances or parts of ordinances in conflict

02:13:56 are repealed, providing an effective date.

02:13:59 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion by Mr. Cohen, a second by

02:14:01 Mr. Suarez.

02:14:02 Roll call vote.

02:14:03 Vote and record.

02:14:03 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried unanimously.

02:14:13 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Item number 68.

02:14:14 68.

02:14:17 Is petitioner here?

02:14:22 Anyone in the audience care to speak on number 68?

02:14:25 68?

02:14:31 All right.

02:14:32 Let me do this biff go any further.

02:14:33 These are quasi-judicial hearings.

02:14:36 Anyone who is going to speak on 68 through 79, you have to

02:14:45 get sworn in.

02:14:46 Please raise your hand and get sworn in.

02:14:52 Your other right hand, DiMaio.

02:14:56 (Oath administered by Clerk)

02:15:04 Item 68.

02:15:07 Anyone on 68?

02:15:09 Already took the motion to close.

02:15:11 That was fast.

02:15:12 Am I correct?

02:15:13 Okay.

02:15:14 Need a motion to close 68.

02:15:17 I have a motion by Mr. Cohen, second by Mrs. Montelione.

02:15:20 All in favor of the motion to close 68 please signify by

02:15:23 saying aye.

02:15:23 Opposed nay.

02:15:25 The ayes have it unanimously.

02:15:26 Mrs. Mulhern, would you kindly take number 68, please?

02:15:30 >>MARY MULHERN: I move an ordinance being presented for

02:15:32 second reading and adoption, an ordinance rezoning property

02:15:34 in the general vicinity of 303 and 305 east Dr. Martin

02:15:38 Luther King Jr. Boulevard in the city of Tampa, Florida and

02:15:41 more particularly described in section 1 from zoning

02:15:46 district classification RS-50 residential single-family, CG,

02:15:52 commercial general, providing an effective date.

02:15:55 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion by Mrs. Mulhern, second

02:15:58 by Mr. Cohen on 68.

02:16:00 Roll call vote.

02:16:01 Vote and record.

02:16:04 Number 68.

02:16:04 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried unanimously.

02:16:08 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Item number 69. 69.

02:16:14 Is petitioner here?

02:16:16 Do you want to speak? Good.

02:16:20 Anyone in the audience care to speak on number 69 from the

02:16:22 audience?

02:16:24 I have a motion to close by Mr. Reddick.

02:16:26 Seconded by Mrs. Capin.

02:16:27 All in favor of the motion to close?

02:16:30 Opposed?

02:16:30 The ayes have it unanimously.

02:16:31 Mr. Reddick, would you kindly take number 69, please?

02:16:34 >>FRANK REDDICK: Move an ordinance being presented for

02:16:37 second reading and adoption, an ordinance rezoning property

02:16:39 in the general vicinity of 1725 west Kenned Kennedy

02:16:43 Boulevard and 1718 west North "A" street in the city of

02:16:47 Tampa, Florida and more particularly described in section 1

02:16:50 from zoning district classification PD planned development,

02:16:53 office, business professional, to planned development,

02:16:56 office, business, professional and medical, research

02:16:59 facility, laboratory and medical and dental, and/or bank

02:17:03 walk-in, providing an effective date.

02:17:05 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Motion by Mr. Reddick, second by Mr.

02:17:07 Cohen.

02:17:08 Roll call vote.

02:17:09 Vote and record.

02:17:10 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried unanimously.

02:17:20 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Item 70.

02:17:21 70.

02:17:22 Is petitioner here on 70?

02:17:24 Do you want to speak?

02:17:34 >> Good afternoon.

02:17:35 My name is Martin Benstick, and the consultant has been

02:17:41 working on this had a dental emergency and couldn't take it

02:17:44 so he asked me to come down and see if there's any

02:17:46 questions.

02:17:48 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Any questions by council members?

02:17:50 Anyone in the audience care to speak on item number 70?

02:17:53 70?

02:17:54 I see no one.

02:17:55 Do you want rebuttal?

02:17:57 [ Laughter ]

02:18:00 I just thought I would ask you.

02:18:03 I have a motion to close by Mr. Cohen.

02:18:06 I have a second by Mr. Reddick.

02:18:08 All in favor of the motion to close by saying aye.

02:18:10 Opposed nay.

02:18:11 The ayes have it unanimously.

02:18:13 Mrs. Capin, would you take number 70?

02:18:16 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Ordinance being presented for second reading

02:18:18 and adoption, an ordinance rezoning property in the general

02:18:20 vicinity of 3608 west Euclid Avenue in the city of Tampa,

02:18:24 Florida and more particularly described in section 1 from

02:18:27 zoning district classifications RO residential office top RS

02:18:32 50 residential single-family, providing an effective date.

02:18:36 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion by Mrs. Capone.

02:18:38 I have a second by Mr. Suarez.

02:18:40 Roll call vote.

02:18:41 Vote and record.

02:18:41 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried unanimously.

02:18:51 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.

02:18:51 Item number 71.

02:18:52 71.

02:18:54 Anyone in the audience care to speak?

02:18:56 Is petitioner here on 717?

02:18:59 Do you want to speak?

02:19:01 Anyone in the audience care to speak on item 71?

02:19:03 I see no one.

02:19:04 I have a motion to close by Mr. Reddick, seconded by Mrs.

02:19:07 Capin.

02:19:09 Discussion by council members?

02:19:09 All in favor?

02:19:11 Opposed?

02:19:11 The ayes have it unanimously.

02:19:13 Would you kindly take number 71, please?

02:19:17 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I present an ordinance for second reading

02:19:21 and adoption, an ordinance rezoning property in the general

02:19:25 vicinity of 2807 north 35th street in the city of Tampa,

02:19:28 Florida and more particularly described in section 1 from

02:19:30 zoning district CI to CG providing an effective date.

02:19:34 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Motion by Mr. Suarez.

02:19:35 I have a second by Mr. Reddick.

02:19:38 Roll call.

02:19:39 Vote and record.

02:19:40 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried unanimously.

02:19:49 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Item number 72.

02:19:51 Is petitioner here?

02:20:02 >>GINA GRIMES: Hill, Ward, Henderson, 101 East Kennedy and I

02:20:05 have been sworn.

02:20:06 I'm just here in case you have any questions.

02:20:10 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Any questions by council members?

02:20:12 Anyone in the audience care to speak on item 72?

02:20:15 72?

02:20:15 I see no one.

02:20:16 I have a motion to close by Mr. Reddick, second by Mr.

02:20:19 Cohen.

02:20:19 Further discussion by council members?

02:20:20 All in favor of the motion please say aye.

02:20:23 Opposed nay.

02:20:24 The ayes have it unanimous to close.

02:20:25 Mrs. Montelione, would you kindly take number 72, please?

02:20:28 .

02:20:29 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I move an ordinance for second reading

02:20:31 and adoption, an ordinance rezoning property in the general

02:20:33 vicinity of 4115 east Busch Boulevard in the city of Tampa,

02:20:36 Florida and more particularly described in section 1 from

02:20:39 zoning district classifications PD planned development,

02:20:42 restaurant, to CG, commercial general, providing an

02:20:44 effective date.

02:20:44 >> Second.

02:20:47 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion for passage by Mrs.

02:20:48 Montelione, second by Mr. Cohen.

02:20:50 Roll call vote.

02:20:51 Vote and record.

02:20:51 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried unanimously.

02:20:59 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Item number 73.

02:21:01 73.

02:21:01 Thank you all very much for attending.

02:21:03 73.

02:21:04 >> Truett Gardner, on behalf of item number 73 and 75 here

02:21:12 to answer any questions you may have.

02:21:13 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: All right.

02:21:14 73 first.

02:21:14 Anyone in the audience care to speak on item number 73?

02:21:19 I have a motion to close by Mr. Reddick.

02:21:21 Second by Mr. Cohen.

02:21:23 All in favor of that motion please indicate by saying aye.

02:21:25 Opposed nay.

02:21:25 The ayes have it unanimously.

02:21:27 Mr. Cohen, would you kindly take number 73, please?

02:21:30 >>HARRY COHEN: Move an ordinance being presented for second

02:21:33 reading and adoption, an ordinance rezoning property in the

02:21:36 general vicinity of 2406 north Morgan street in the city of

02:21:40 Tampa, Florida and more particularly described in section 1

02:21:43 from zoning district classifications CI commercial intensive

02:21:47 to RS-50, residential single-family, providing an effective

02:21:49 date.

02:21:51 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion by Mr. Cohen, I have a

02:21:55 second by Mr. Suarez.

02:21:56 Roll call vote.

02:21:58 Vote and record.

02:21:58 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried unanimously.

02:22:06 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Item number 74 was earlier, moved to June

02:22:10 26th if I recall.

02:22:13 We go to item number 75.

02:22:14 >>BARBARA LYNCH: Land Development Coordination.

02:22:17 I'm here to answer any questions.

02:22:20 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Any questions by council members?

02:22:21 Anyone in the audience care to speak on item number 75?

02:22:23 I see no one.

02:22:24 I need a motion to close.

02:22:26 I have a motion by Mr. Suarez, second by Mrs. Mulhern.

02:22:29 All in favor of the motion to close?

02:22:31 Opposed?

02:22:32 The ayes have it unanimously.

02:22:33 Mrs. Mulhern, would you kindly take number 75, please?

02:22:37 >>MARY MULHERN: I move AP ordinance being presented for

02:22:39 second reading and adoption, an ordinance vacating, closing,

02:22:41 discontinuing, abandoning an alleyway lying east of Tampa

02:22:45 Street, west of Florida Avenue, south of Amelia Avenue, and

02:22:49 north of Frances Avenue in plan of Munro and McIntosh's

02:22:54 addition, a subdivision in the City of Tampa, Hillsborough

02:22:56 County Florida the same being more fully described in

02:22:59 section 1 hereof subject to certain easement reservations,

02:23:03 covenants and conditions and restrictions more particularly

02:23:06 set forth herein providing an effective date.

02:23:09 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: A motion by Mrs. Mulhern, second by Mr.

02:23:12 Suarez.

02:23:12 Roll call vote.

02:23:14 Vote and record.

02:23:14 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried unanimously.

02:23:21 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you for all of you appearing.

02:23:23 Number 76.

02:23:28 Petitioner?

02:23:29 >>ABBYE FEELEY: Land development.

02:23:35 Mr. Horner was here this morning concerning the plan

02:23:37 amendment.

02:23:38 He may have spoken to you.

02:23:41 He was here for the second reading.

02:23:44 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.

02:23:45 Anyone in the audience care to speak on item 76?

02:23:47 I see no one.

02:23:48 I have a motion toe close by Mr. Reddick, second by Mr.

02:23:51 Cohen.

02:23:51 All in favor of the motion?

02:23:53 Opposed?

02:23:54 The ayes have it unanimously.

02:23:55 Mr. Reddick, would you kindly take number 76, please?

02:24:00 >>FRANK REDDICK: Move an ordinance presented for second

02:24:01 reading and adoption, an ordinance amending the Tampa

02:24:04 comprehensive plan, future land use map, property located in

02:24:07 the general vicinity of north 50th street, east Dr.

02:24:15 Martin Luther King Jr. Boulevard, Temple Street and east

02:24:18 32nd Avenue, from community mixed use 35, CMU 35,to

02:24:21 community commercial 35, providing for repeal of all

02:24:25 ordinances in conflict, providing for severability,

02:24:28 providing an effective date.

02:24:29 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion for approval by Mr.

02:24:30 Reddick, second by Mr. Cohen.

02:24:33 Roll call vote. Vote and record.

02:24:34 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried unanimously.

02:24:44 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Item 77, same thing, I believe is

02:24:49 petitioner here?

02:24:50 All right.

02:24:52 Petitioner and I discussed and I saw that he had a problem

02:24:55 in Pasco County to leave, that we would do whatever we could

02:24:58 to facilitate.

02:24:59 That's what we are doing now.

02:25:00 Anyone in the audience care to speak on item number 77?

02:25:04 Better known as the Red Grange? I see no one. I have a

02:25:10 motion to close by Mr. Suarez.

02:25:13 Second by Mrs. Capin.

02:25:14 All in favor?

02:25:15 Opposed?

02:25:15 The ayes have it unanimously.

02:25:17 Mrs. Capin, would you take number 77, please?

02:25:20 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Yes, Mr. Chairman.

02:25:23 An ordinance being presented for second reading and

02:25:25 adoption, an ordinance amending the Tampa comprehensive

02:25:28 plan, future land use map for the property located in the

02:25:31 general vicinity of west Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.

02:25:35 Boulevard, north Armenia Avenue, and north Melton street

02:25:41 from community mixed use 35 CMU 35 and residential 10, R-10,

02:25:46 to community mixed use 35, CMU-35, providing for repeal of

02:25:50 all ordinances in conflict, providing for severability,

02:25:54 providing an effective date.

02:25:56 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion by Mrs. Capin for

02:25:57 passage.

02:25:58 Second by Mr. Suarez.

02:25:59 Roll call vote.

02:26:00 Vote and record on 77.

02:26:02 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried unanimously.

02:26:11 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: On 78 we would hold it till after lunch

02:26:13 and it is after lunch.

02:26:14 >>REBECCA KERT: Legal department.

02:26:16 We appreciate council giving us additional time.

02:26:20 We have several witnesses that we plan on calling.

02:26:22 We have one that's indispensable because he was the

02:26:25 eyewitness.

02:26:25 He is a police officer and he has -- I know he's scheduled

02:26:29 for vacation because he moved it for the June 26th.

02:26:33 I am not sure how long he will be gone in July.

02:26:36 At this point if City Council doesn't want to hear it we

02:26:42 would request the 31st.

02:26:44 I think most likely he will be back at that point. If not

02:26:46 we will ask for another continuance.

02:26:49 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: July 31st.

02:26:50 You are talking about the 31st of July?

02:26:53 >>REBECCA KERT: Yes, sir.

02:26:53 Thank you.

02:26:55 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Any questions by council members,

02:26:56 comments on July 31st?

02:27:00 I guess that's an acceptable date.

02:27:03 That was number 78.

02:27:04 >> (off microphone).

02:27:14 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Second.

02:27:15 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Anyone want to talk about this

02:27:17 continuance?

02:27:18 I see no objections.

02:27:19 I have a motion by Mrs. Mulhern.

02:27:20 Second by Mrs. Capin for 78 to be moved to July 31st,

02:27:25 the year 2014, at what time?

02:27:28 10:30 in the morning.

02:27:29 All in favor of the motion please indicate by saying aye.

02:27:32 Opposed nay.

02:27:32 The ayes have it unanimously.

02:27:33 Thank you all very much.

02:27:36 We go to item number 79.

02:27:37 79.

02:27:37 >>BARBARA LYNCH: Land Development Coordination.

02:27:44 VAC-14-11 is a request by the applicant to vacate an alley

02:27:49 locate, the alley between ADALEE and Braddock street and

02:28:01 runs Decatur to Harding Avenue.

02:28:08 The alley is unimproved and there are some fences, but I

02:28:12 think it was so overgrown but this is the alley east from

02:28:18 Decatur, and here is a photo of the alley, looking west from

02:28:22 Harding.

02:28:24 And this is a picture of the applicant property.

02:28:28 Staff has no objection to this request.

02:28:30 Wastewater easement does need to be reserved for utilities.

02:28:37 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Anyone in the audience care to speak on

02:28:39 item 79?

02:28:40 Petitioner?

02:28:41 >> No.

02:28:46 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Any others? This is first reading or

02:28:48 second reading? First reading.

02:28:49 >> Yes, sir.

02:28:51 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: One more time.

02:28:52 Anyone in the audience care to speak on 79?

02:28:54 I see no one.

02:28:55 I have a motion to close by Mr. Could even, second by Mr.

02:28:58 Reddick.

02:28:58 All in favor?

02:29:00 Opposed?

02:29:00 The ayes have it unanimously.

02:29:05 Mr. Suarez, would you take number 79?

02:29:07 I want to make sure your name came up.

02:29:09 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I'll take it.

02:29:16 I present an ordinance for first reading consideration, an

02:29:18 ordinance vacating, closing, discontinuing, and abandoning

02:29:22 an alleyway lying north of Braddock street south of ADALEE

02:29:27 street east of Decatur Avenue and west of Harding Avenue in

02:29:31 plan of river Heights -- actually there's a scrivener's

02:29:34 error, I thought, I believe it's Riverside Heights.

02:29:39 Let me double check.

02:29:41 I apologize, but I want to make sure that we don't come.

02:29:45 I guess it says river Heights.

02:29:47 We won't call it Riverside Heights.

02:29:49 So river Heights subdivision, a subdivision in the City of

02:29:53 Tampa, Hillsborough County Florida the same being more fully

02:29:56 described in section 1 hereof subject to certain easement

02:30:00 reservation, covenants, conditions and restrictions more

02:30:03 particularly set forth herein providing an effective date.

02:30:05 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion by Mr. Suarez for first

02:30:07 reading, second by Mr. Reddick on item number 9.

02:30:10 All in favor of that motion please indicate by saying aye.

02:30:13 Opposed nay.

02:30:14 The ayes have it unanimously.

02:30:15 >> Held on June 26th 20:14 at 9:30 a.m.

02:30:24 >>BARBARA LYNCH: The association is Riverside Heights but

02:30:29 river Heights --

02:30:31 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I noticed it when I looked at the plat.

02:30:33 So thank you.

02:30:44 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Okay, information reports and new

02:30:45 business by council members.

02:30:47 Mr. Suarez.

02:30:47 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you, chair.

02:30:51 The first is some good news.

02:30:53 We talk about baseball championships all the time here.

02:30:56 We did have a baseball championship, we weren't in session

02:31:01 last week, and I would like to have a commendation for the

02:31:04 Jesuit high school 5-A state baseball championships.

02:31:09 They won last week.

02:31:10 We would like a commendation to congratulate their players

02:31:13 and coaches on their great Run.

02:31:16 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Motion by Mr. Suarez.

02:31:17 I have a second by Mrs. Mulhern.

02:31:20 >>HARRY COHEN: Give a date?

02:31:22 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: You are going to make that date with

02:31:24 them?

02:31:25 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Yes.

02:31:29 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: All in favor?

02:31:31 Opposed?

02:31:31 The ayes have it unanimously.

02:31:32 What else, sir?

02:31:33 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I have one other thing.

02:31:35 Yesterday, the sad news about Mr. Smith passed away, a great

02:31:40 gay.

02:31:40 It's strange.

02:31:41 Bill Poe passed away about three weeks ago.

02:31:44 Gary Smith just passed away.

02:31:46 He was at the funeral and he did not look good.

02:31:48 And I'm sorry to hear that he did pass away.

02:31:51 He's a great guy in terms of learning how government works,

02:31:54 and making government work, which doesn't happen all the

02:31:56 time anymore.

02:31:57 When you see Congress the way they react and the way that

02:32:00 our legislature sometimes reacts, it's good to know that

02:32:03 there were people back from the 70s and 80s that were

02:32:06 able to make our government work, and work in a very

02:32:08 progressive and good manner.

02:32:10 So my thoughts and prayers are out to the family, and I

02:32:14 assume all members of council.

02:32:16 Thank you, chair.

02:32:17 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Mrs. Capin?

02:32:19 >>YVONNE CAPIN: On that note I just want to say my husband,

02:32:22 when he was right out of USF, came to work at model cities

02:32:27 and worked with Al Gary and held him in high esteem.

02:32:33 He was very knowledgeable and understood the process.

02:32:37 So with that, I do have something here.

02:32:43 The nomination by Councilman Reddick for Stephanie L. Tripp,

02:32:51 an assistant professor of communication at the University of

02:32:53 Tampa for a seat at the economic impact of cultural assets

02:32:58 committee.

02:32:59 We need to vote on that.

02:33:02 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Motion by Mrs. Capin, a second by Mr.

02:33:04 Reddick, on that person being named to that committee.

02:33:07 All in favor? Opposed?

02:33:11 Ayes have it unanimously.

02:33:12 Anything else?

02:33:14 Well, Mr. Reddick, I guess you have nothing to say.

02:33:18 Mr. Reddick, anything else?

02:33:29 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Wait a minute.

02:33:33 I couldn't read the handwriting.

02:33:35 >>FRANK REDDICK: Just one item, Mr. Chair.

02:33:39 I want to request that Michael Hatchett appear before

02:33:44 council to give us an update on the status on pastor Frank

02:33:53 Williams property.

02:34:00 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: What date?

02:34:01 >>FRANK REDDICK: June 26th.

02:34:02 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion by Mr. Reddick, a second

02:34:04 by Mrs. Mulhern.

02:34:05 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: All in favor of the motion?

02:34:06 Opposed?

02:34:07 The ayes have it unanimously.

02:34:09 Anything else, sir?

02:34:10 Thank you very much.

02:34:10 Mrs. Mulhern?

02:34:11 >>MARY MULHERN: I have one item.

02:34:14 I would like to request a staff report from land

02:34:19 development, transportation, within the land development.

02:34:26 I would like them to compile an inventory of past approvals

02:34:31 related to parking, including valet use in SoHo, on South

02:34:41 Howard Avenue between Kennedy and Bayshore, in order to

02:34:45 determine the actual practice and changes.

02:34:50 This is a request from the historic Hyde Park neighborhood

02:34:53 association.

02:34:55 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion --

02:34:56 >> And now from council.

02:34:58 >>HARRY COHEN: When do you want to do that?

02:35:00 >>MARY MULHERN: When is our next regular meeting?

02:35:05 >>HARRY COHEN: June 26th which is a really busy agenda.

02:35:09 The 17th of July.

02:35:10 >>MARY MULHERN: Well, they have already had a month it.

02:35:17 >>HARRY COHEN: July 17th?

02:35:18 >>MARY MULHERN: Yes, July 17th.

02:35:22 Is that the first -- maybe we can go to the next one.

02:35:25 >>MARY MULHERN: July 31st.

02:35:27 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Motion by Mrs. Mulhern for July 31st

02:35:30 at 10:30 in the morning.

02:35:33 Motion made by Mrs. Mulhern.

02:35:35 Seconded by Mr. Cohen.

02:35:36 All in favor of that motion, please indicate by saying aye.

02:35:39 Opposed nay.

02:35:42 Passed unanimously.

02:35:43 Anything else, Mrs. Mulhern?

02:35:44 >>MARY MULHERN: No, that's it.

02:35:46 >>HARRY COHEN: No, sir.

02:35:47 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Mr. Cohen, you're very kind to the chair.

02:35:49 Mrs. Montelione.

02:35:50 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Just one.

02:35:52 The commendation for Tanja Vidovic and the individual

02:35:57 companies who donated materials and supplies for the edible

02:36:05 plantings and street orchard plantings has been cleared to

02:36:11 attend on the 26th.

02:36:13 >> Seconded by Mr. Cohen.

02:36:15 Further discussion by council members?

02:36:16 All in favor of the motion?

02:36:18 Opposed?

02:36:19 The ayes have it unanimously.

02:36:20 In addition else, ma'am?

02:36:22 Okay.

02:36:23 Thank you all very much.

02:36:23 On that note, also, the passing away of a good friend of

02:36:27 mine, sent flowers up in Cincinnati, Don Zimmer, Pete Rose,

02:36:30 and talk about the old game and the passing away was not

02:36:35 only a very knowledgeable guy, but like a straight man, a

02:36:40 great guy to be around with, and we are going to be miss

02:36:44 him.

02:36:44 Okay, I need a motion to receive and file all the documents.

02:36:47 I have a motion by Mrs. Montelione.

02:36:49 Second by Mr. Cohen.

02:36:50 All in favor of that motion? Opposed?

02:36:52 The ayes have it unanimously.

02:36:54 General public comments, any 512 of you left want to speak

02:36:57 to this council at this time, please come forward.

02:37:02 Now we are down to 511.

02:37:04 >> I just want to say --

02:37:10 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Your name?

02:37:10 >> I'm sorry, my name is Davian -- I do want to say I

02:37:15 appreciate you taking the time to honor my alma mater

02:37:19 because they won the state championship.

02:37:20 >> I'm sorry, alma mater?

02:37:24 >> Right.

02:37:25 I want to say I thank you for recognizing my alma mater.

02:37:29 I'm a Jesuit alum.

02:37:30 I appreciate you for recognizing the state championship.

02:37:34 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I went to Jesuit.

02:37:35 Not to attend the school.

02:37:37 I just rode through it.

02:37:38 My son went there.

02:37:40 Well, thank you very much, sir.

02:37:42 Anyone else?

02:37:44 Any other things to come before this council?

02:37:46 We stand adjourned.

02:38:56 (The Council meeting adjourned)



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