Tampa City Council
Thursday, June 5, 2014
9:00 a.m. session
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09:02:54 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: City Council is called into session.
09:02:56 The chair yields to Mr. Cohen.
09:02:58 >>HARRY COHEN: The Reverend Vickie R. Walker of Missions
09:03:03 and Outreach from Hyde Park United Methodist Church joins us
09:03:06 this morning for our invocation.
09:03:08 Some of you attended the recent Tampa Police Department
09:03:12 memorial ceremony where the Reverend Walker served as
09:03:16 chaplain, and she gave some very moving remarks on that
09:03:20 evening, and we look forward to hearing from her today with
09:03:24 some equally inspiring words.
09:03:26 Please, let's stand for the prayer and then the pledge of
09:03:29 >> Let us pray.
09:03:33 Dear God, thank you for your many blessings.
09:03:36 Thank you for life itself, for the measure of help we need
09:03:40 to fulfill our calling.
09:03:44 Thank you for the ability to be involved in useful work and
09:03:51 In the scriptures you said that citizens ought to obey the
09:03:55 governing authority, established the very authority to
09:03:59 promote peace and order and justice.
09:04:02 Therefore, I pray for our mayor, for the various levels of
09:04:05 city officials, and in particular for this City Council.
09:04:10 God, graciously grant them wisdom to govern amid conflicting
09:04:14 interests and issues of our time, and sense of the welfare
09:04:18 and true needs of our people, a keen search for justice and
09:04:23 righteousness, confidence in what is good and fitting, the
09:04:27 ability to work together in harmony even when there is
09:04:30 honest disagreement, personal peace in their lives and joy
09:04:33 in their task.
09:04:34 I pray for the agenda before us today.
09:04:38 Please give assurance of what will please you and to live
09:04:42 and work in and around our beloved City of Tampa.
09:04:45 In your holy name I pray.
09:04:47 [ Pledge of Allegiance ]
09:04:49 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Roll call.
09:05:18 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Here.
09:05:21 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Present.
09:05:23 >>MARY MULHERN: Here.
09:05:24 >>HARRY COHEN: Here.
09:05:25 >>FRANK REDDICK: Here.
09:05:26 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Here.
09:05:28 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Here.
09:05:29 Okay. I need a motion for the approval of the agenda and
09:05:34 addendum to today's meeting.
09:05:37 Motion by Mr. Cohen.
09:05:38 Second by Mrs. Montelione.
09:05:39 All in favor?
09:05:41 The ayes have it unanimously.
09:05:45 Maybe they are here, but the state champion here?
09:05:49 There they are.
09:05:52 I just want to make sure they still recognize they are
09:05:56 champions because we get them that high it's hard to sit
09:05:58 here for that long period of time.
09:06:00 So I know that it's on the council's agenda.
09:06:03 And worry very proud of Robinson high school, with the coach
09:06:06 or coaches or team.
09:06:07 Want to come up and introduce themselves and tell us a
09:06:09 little bit about how you got where you are at and so forth
09:06:15 and so on?
09:06:15 We are so proud of everything you accomplished, especially
09:06:18 inside the classroom, not outside the classroom.
09:06:21 >> We brought three of the four seniors, Caroline, Alea, and
09:06:36 They went 19-0, won the state title, combined for over 662
09:06:42 to 18.
09:06:43 And the first state title for flag football in Hillsborough
09:06:51 They also have a 3.71 grade point which is the highest in
09:06:57 the state for flag football, with 250 schools.
09:07:01 It's the second year in a row that they have won that.
09:07:06 Caroline was the female athlete of the year for "The Tampa
09:07:08 Tribune in all sports.
09:07:11 Kiley was the flag football player of the year for the
09:07:15 Alea is the prom queen and the valedictorian.
09:07:26 Caroline is attending Virginia.
09:07:29 She's doing -- she's going to Marathon to play volleyball
09:07:44 and Alea to the U.S. Naval Academy.
09:07:48 [ Applause ]
09:07:49 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Let me say this from the best council in
09:07:55 the City of Tampa, in fact the only council in the City of
09:07:58 Tampa, to the greatest flag football team maybe in the
09:08:01 country, 19 and 0 is something that I don't think none of us
09:08:07 have 19 and 0 in anything.
09:08:09 And I can't have a 3.8 grade point average, .9 and .9 and .9
09:08:15 in four years.
09:08:16 But I know it equals 3.6 so somebody do the math.
09:08:20 We are very proud of you.
09:08:23 Robinson has always been an outstanding school.
09:08:25 I remember many years ago when your football team was an
09:08:29 outstanding football team, not the guy with the beard but
09:08:34 the great running back, Washington Redskins, Smith played
09:08:40 there, and it was exciting to see you guys come up to the
09:08:43 level that you had because of the great coaching staff, and
09:08:47 academically, young ladies like the three that you have here
09:08:52 with the grade point average is what makes us most proud of
09:08:55 each and every one of you at Robinson.
09:08:58 Congratulations to you.
09:08:58 And if you would like to take a picture with the council,
09:09:01 all of you come here, the coach, whatever, I think the
09:09:04 council will permit me to do that.
09:09:06 >>HARRY COHEN: And we have a commendation, too.
09:09:08 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Read that, Mr. Cohen.
09:09:09 You are going to sit right here and read it to them.
09:09:18 I never threw too many fast balls because it would go to the
09:09:21 other side of the fence.
09:09:23 Curve ball.
09:09:23 >>HARRY COHEN: Why don't I read it while we stand for the
09:09:28 The Tampa City Council recognizes the outstanding effort and
09:09:33 success of the Robinson high school knights in winning the
09:09:36 State of Florida flag football championship, the first-ever
09:09:39 for a school from Hillsborough County, and by the bay,
09:09:42 according to the newspapers, the first-ever school on the
09:09:45 west coast of Florida.
09:09:46 In defeating the two-time defending state champion Seminole
09:09:50 ridge 7-6.
09:09:51 Robinson achieved success in its third straight trip to the
09:09:54 championship game.
09:09:57 Winning on the football field is not the only championship
09:10:00 for the knights, as was mentioned earlier for the second
09:10:03 year in a row, the girls were recognized as the American
09:10:06 team champions sporting cumulative, unweighted G.P.A. of
09:10:11 3.170, because of excellence in both the classroom and on
09:10:14 the field, Tampa City Council commends the Robinson high
09:10:18 school knights for an outstanding season, in which all team
09:10:21 members and coaches continued success.
09:10:26 [ Applause ]
09:10:29 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Let me just say this.
09:10:31 Winning was easy -- if winning is easy there would never be
09:10:36 a loser.
09:10:37 And I could shake hands with each and every one of you.
09:11:21 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Mr. Chair?
09:11:22 I would like to thank the Robinson high school graduate
09:11:28 that's going to the Naval Academy.
09:11:29 I had the great fortune of meeting her during the time that
09:11:32 we were selecting kids to go to the Naval Academy for Kathy
09:11:35 Castor's office.
09:11:37 Kathy Castor as the Congresswoman selected her, both brains
09:11:40 and beauty, as we like to say, and she will be going to the
09:11:43 Naval Academy.
09:11:44 To me that's a great testament to her work ethic because you
09:11:48 all don't know her resumé.
09:11:49 Let me just tell you something.
09:11:51 It puts us all to shame.
09:11:55 Thank you for continuing to serve our nation by going to the
09:11:58 Naval Academy.
09:11:59 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Good luck to all of you.
09:12:01 [ Applause ]
09:12:08 We go to public comments.
09:12:09 Anyone in the audience care to speak to this council
09:12:11 regarding items on the agenda first and then off the agenda.
09:12:14 Come forward, please.
09:12:25 We have gone Mikeless.
09:12:27 Not this Mike.
09:12:32 That's Mike Suarez.
09:12:33 >> Jerry Frank Hauser, west Hawthorne road, Tampa, Florida.
09:12:42 And I have a couple of comments here on number 9, which is
09:12:47 the proposed PDs.
09:12:53 One of our main concerns is that when a PD goes through City
09:12:58 Council, it seems like it is passed by City Council, and
09:13:02 then disappears.
09:13:03 It does never come back here to be worked on, if there's any
09:13:08 Seems like they just kind of get the changes changed without
09:13:13 coming back to council to have been approved.
09:13:17 I don't know whether that's the way it works.
09:13:19 But it doesn't seem like it's the way that the neighborhoods
09:13:22 could use the time to discuss it, any of the changes that
09:13:28 were being made to the PDs, if we get them back into City
09:13:33 Council where we would have an open forum to talk.
09:13:38 One of our major concerns is that we don't get to put our C
09:13:44 cents worth in on lots of things.
09:13:47 The alcohol, the other things.
09:13:49 We are getting shut out.
09:13:50 The neighborhoods are getting shut out.
09:13:52 And we need to get back into that, and we need to have some
09:13:55 way of doing it.
09:13:57 Thank you.
09:13:58 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
09:13:59 Next, please.
09:14:00 >>> Pete Johnson, 510 Harrison street.
09:14:20 First of all, I want to talk about the bait and bull.
09:14:26 The only thing I can say is from all of the reports that I
09:14:29 have read, the best line that I have ever heard about it
09:14:36 came from Mr. Suarez saying it was screwed up before we got
09:14:42 It was.
09:14:44 From construction services to building department to every
09:14:49 department, it was screwed up.
09:14:54 That's all I am going to say about it.
09:14:56 It was a big waste of money.
09:14:59 We talk about code enforcement, and, yes, it's raining.
09:15:03 Every single day it rains, and it still rains.
09:15:08 What I have given you is a couple of quick, easy things.
09:15:15 Particular case on Broad Street where they say they
09:15:21 documented no accumulation problem.
09:15:25 I'm sorry, but this is accumulation.
09:15:29 The discretion of an officer after he sees and knows of
09:15:34 violations should not allow him not to report that.
09:15:41 All violations need to be reported.
09:15:44 This is also an ethical question.
09:15:49 Whether or not it's ethical for him to even do that with
09:15:53 them, whoever it is, to visually see a violation and not
09:15:58 report it.
09:15:58 I see code cases every single day that if they are not
09:16:01 written up properly, they get thrown out and the violation
09:16:06 The second portion is an address on Nebraska street, with
09:16:12 the same violation as in 2010 and 2012.
09:16:18 The gentleman paid twenty-some thousand dollars because of
09:16:23 the violations, and he goes right back and does it again.
09:16:27 Didn't get a permit for the wall.
09:16:30 Never finished the wall.
09:16:32 It's a safety hazard.
09:16:33 There's rebar sticking up out of the ground.
09:16:36 The concrete block that can fall down and hit a child.
09:16:40 There's no accountability.
09:16:44 This is another address by the same gentleman with code
09:16:49 violations on it.
09:16:50 You are not allowed to have two or three trailers on it.
09:16:52 (Bell sounds)
09:16:53 This is another address.
09:16:55 The same gentleman.
09:16:59 He has been told before, legally, not to do this.
09:17:06 But no one takes him to court.
09:17:08 No affidavit is filed to take this gentleman to court.
09:17:12 Even worse than that, this is a trailer park started in
09:17:21 20 -- fined in 2013 for unhealthy living conditions.
09:17:24 (Bell sounds)
09:17:25 Nothing has happened.
09:17:27 The case has never gone to court.
09:17:30 Why are we going through all this and wasting all this money
09:17:34 if we are not going to get these people to comply?
09:17:38 I'm not saying enforcement anymore.
09:17:41 It's to comply.
09:17:42 Thank you.
09:17:43 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much, sir.
09:17:44 Next, please.
09:17:44 >> First I want to say glory be to God and thank God for
09:18:01 Jesus Christ.
09:18:03 I'm pastor Frank Williams, located on east Scott street,
09:18:12 many complaints but nobody seems to want to resolve them.
09:18:16 Constitutional rights are violated, my church rights have
09:18:21 been violated, my religious rights have been violated,
09:18:24 Biblical rights have been violated, our Constitutional
09:18:27 rights have been violated, and nobody want to stand up for
09:18:31 the church.
09:18:36 I called the city code enforcement.
09:18:38 Now what they told me about that fence around the church?
09:18:40 I need to get a lawyer.
09:18:42 Why do I need to get a lawyer for my rights?
09:18:46 My rights are just as right as yours.
09:18:48 You have your Constitutional rights, don't you?
09:18:49 I should have my Constitutional rights.
09:18:52 Also, I read an article in the Florida sentinel.
09:18:56 It got -- Frank Reddick, and somebody wants to purchase --
09:19:07 he said something about Tampa housing made an offering.
09:19:15 If they made an offer to me I two of take it to our
09:19:21 They never sat down.
09:19:22 Frank Reddick never sat dawn and talked with me.
09:19:25 No members of the City Council ever sat down and talked with
09:19:28 And another thing.
09:19:30 You designated the church as a historical landmark.
09:19:33 If you designated the church as a historical landmark why
09:19:36 did they put a fence around it?
09:19:38 Why are they building a high-rise right across the street
09:19:41 from it?
09:19:42 Everything is to be considered as historical when they are
09:19:47 They put a building in the historical district.
09:19:51 The church is a historical landmark.
09:19:52 I need somebody to talk to me one on one I.don't care who it
09:19:56 But I need somebody that knows the Constitutional rights.
09:20:00 And if you don't, I guarantee you, you are going to have to
09:20:04 do something about it.
09:20:08 Representative he Floyd never respond.
09:20:14 Write your government.
09:20:15 He never responds.
09:20:16 Write the mayor.
09:20:17 He never responds.
09:20:18 Nobody never responds.
09:20:21 I guess I'm just some black man.
09:20:23 And the name Pam or owe, I'm out there by myself.
09:20:30 No, I'm not out there by myself.
09:20:32 I'm with Jesus Christ.
09:20:35 I am guaranteed everywhere I go.
09:20:37 Whether you believe in it or not it don't make no difference
09:20:40 but we must understand we are all human beings, and we
09:20:44 should be treated by human beings regardless of what the
09:20:47 color of our skin.
09:20:49 Stop looking at a man by the color of the skin and look at
09:20:52 his character, and trust in God to do the right thing.
09:20:55 If you don't want to do the right thing, why don't you all
09:20:57 step down and get somebody else to do the right thing?
09:21:03 (Bell sounds)
09:21:04 Let me tell you something about the Mexicans and Indians.
09:21:09 They were here before the Europeans came here.
09:21:12 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
09:21:12 >> The Mexicans was --
09:21:16 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
09:21:18 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: You all came here --
09:21:21 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
09:21:22 Next, please.
09:21:24 >> There's no microphone?
09:21:33 >> No, you don't need a Mike, sir.
09:21:36 You don't need a Mike.
09:21:37 >> Okay, this one here.
09:21:42 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: We followed your advice and went up on
09:21:44 >> Okay.
09:21:46 I'm handing around a little bit of collaboration on this,
09:21:50 because you can only do so much in three minutes.
09:21:53 Mostly, there's some major issue that I want to speak to
09:21:57 that follows on the heels of con em indications last week,
09:22:01 the week before, I think.
09:22:03 But first, some something with respect to that, I talk to
09:22:10 this a lot because of the acting by Russell Crowe, and the
09:22:16 ability of people to change, and bad things not happening.
09:22:19 Now, in the eight years since this movie, nothing has
09:22:24 So when stuff starts to happen 2060, 2070, and we can't
09:22:30 pinch down because this guy in Siberia and that's where the
09:22:39 answers are.
09:22:40 I have this, too, the housing market is bad.
09:22:43 That's something I know people here are concerned about.
09:22:46 Well, it could be the low quality of life, which has
09:22:50 developed over the past three to four years, a major thing.
09:22:54 Now, there's been poor job prospects for a long time and
09:22:58 that's why I keep going into technology corridor, because
09:23:01 that would improve things, for instance, for people
09:23:04 graduating from USF.
09:23:06 But the noise, the noise is going through the roof -- the
09:23:13 The vehicles that do not have mufflers, it was 2 to 3% six
09:23:18 months to a year ago, it's about 5% of them now.
09:23:21 It's the hip thing to do, and the hammers have got to come
09:23:25 And that's why I have this list of noise of nodes.
09:23:31 And I also circulated this for the county but it's basically
09:23:33 a city problem.
09:23:35 The main thing I have there, you gave a commendation to the
09:23:39 water department, but something has developed, and I worked
09:23:44 in that field to a certain extent but I never heard about
09:23:47 90% of the people that work in that field have not heard
09:23:50 about it.
09:23:51 A lot of these arch conservative right wingers have and I
09:23:55 always thought they were nuts wanting to drink from a bottle
09:23:58 of water or something like that, and that exasperated the
09:24:01 people that work in the industry.
09:24:03 I researched it and researched it and came up with stuff
09:24:06 about a couple or throw months ago, and it's a major thing.
09:24:09 It's a possibility that the public water supplies are a
09:24:13 major disseminate or of Alzheimer's disease.
09:24:16 Now, I know some of you are going to be concerned about
09:24:18 Alzheimer's disease because it's rising.
09:24:21 And one of the reasons it's rising is over above the aging
09:24:25 profile is the use of ALUM in the water supply.
09:24:32 There are nodes of aluminum inside the head where people
09:24:37 with Alzheimer's in autopsies, also they did a study
09:24:41 comparing people using aluminum pots with not using aluminum
09:24:46 That isn't where it comes from. It comes from ALUM and
09:24:49 there is an alternative that would raise the price of water
09:24:53 ten dollars a month and I think if that was put to
09:24:56 referendum people would want to do it.
09:24:58 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
09:24:59 Appreciate it.
09:24:59 Thank you.
09:25:00 Next, please.
09:25:01 >> Good morning.
09:25:12 Kimberly Overman, park circle in northeast Seminole Heights,
09:25:18 here actually to just speak briefly on item 5, item 9 and
09:25:22 item 10.
09:25:23 Item 5 is relating to the issue of -- I went to the Winter
09:25:31 Park ordinance, and it seems as though they are
09:25:37 overaddressing a problem, most individuals who would like to
09:25:39 have a family birthday party or large event at their home
09:25:42 would be prohibited from having events, if they didn't have
09:25:47 a machine to tell them how much sound they had in their
09:25:49 yard, given that there's a limit of three family members.
09:25:55 If underage drinking is the issue let's address that.
09:25:58 If noise is the issue, over the top after 11:00 let's
09:26:04 address that.
09:26:04 But the language seems to be a little too broad in order to
09:26:07 address the concerns that the residents that brought this
09:26:10 forward to you would like to have addressed.
09:26:12 So I ask your caution in putting sewing like that in place.
09:26:16 Item 9 -- I'm sorry, item 8, I personally had several of my
09:26:22 neighbors' home filled up with stormwater during the rain,
09:26:26 and the consequence of the river rising so fast below the
09:26:32 Hillsborough dam.
09:26:35 Two of those properties have been almost completely
09:26:37 destroyed as a consequence of water coming down and
09:26:39 stormwater not having adequate place to go.
09:26:43 Between Rowlette Park down and the bypass is going to be
09:26:48 critically important, the mechanisms you can put into place
09:26:52 in order to assist homeowners, protective properties would
09:26:55 be very important, the support in that area.
09:26:58 Then lastly on item 10, where you are addressing alternative
09:27:01 guides, design exceptions, my comment really relates to how
09:27:05 neighborhoods are looking to try and work with the planning
09:27:07 department in order to improve relations and to improve the
09:27:12 trust when projects are being developed within our area.
09:27:14 I live in the Seminole Heights area on the Hillsborough
09:27:17 Avenue corridor, which is an area that for economic
09:27:22 development in the next ten years in a significant way.
09:27:24 The people that live on the residential streets in that area
09:27:26 are severely concerned about the FDOT requirements to ignore
09:27:33 the neighborhoods' needs when it comes to development on
09:27:35 that corridor.
09:27:36 So we are looking for ways that we can work actively with
09:27:39 the planning department and City Council in order for the
09:27:43 outcomes that we anticipate down the road.
09:27:46 Thank you for your time.
09:27:47 (Bell sounds).
09:27:48 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
09:27:49 Next, please.
09:27:50 >> Good morning.
09:27:52 Kim Hartland, 1001 east 24th Avenue, here as an Ybor
09:27:58 resident to speak on number 6, Cuscaden pool.
09:28:01 I would like to thank you all for keeping the conversation
09:28:02 about the necessary repairs to Cuscaden on the agenda and on
09:28:06 the administration's radar for quite some time.
09:28:08 This is actually the fifth summer season without a pool or
09:28:11 fitness center or community center, or an after-school use
09:28:16 program at Cuscaden park.
09:28:18 I personally have high hopes that the necessary corrective
09:28:20 measures would be closer to reality than they are right now.
09:28:23 I hope that Tampa's rich architectural and cultural heritage
09:28:27 would be a priority and that this landmark and amenities
09:28:31 would be on its way to serving many generations to come.
09:28:33 At a minimum, more than four years into this conversation I
09:28:37 hoped that the structure would be stabilized or mothballed
09:28:41 to ensure that it's still standing when and if funding
09:28:43 becomes available.
09:28:44 But after several years of discussion and many what-if plans
09:28:49 and many delay tactics, unfortunately, that is still not the
09:28:53 We are still just talking.
09:28:55 The administration yesterday saying there is no money, but
09:29:00 this isn't a new problem and it isn't the first time that
09:29:02 allocations have been requested.
09:29:04 So let's be very honest.
09:29:05 Cuscaden pool is a landmark structure, to fit in the
09:29:10 community space, and this neighborhood is not a victim of
09:29:13 limited funding, it's simply not a top priority.
09:29:15 I get that.
09:29:16 And it wasn't a priority when the serious leaks first
09:29:21 appeared more than nine years ago now, just months after a
09:29:24 significant renovation project.
09:29:26 To put things in perspective, $1.5 million, that was the
09:29:30 original estimate for potential repair.
09:29:33 That's less than one tenth of one percent of the budget
09:29:37 council, you all, passed last summer.
09:29:40 It's less than one percent of the CIT budget you passed.
09:29:44 So it isn't that there is no money for capital improvements,
09:29:47 because there is money for Lloyd Jenkins pool there, was
09:29:49 money for Williams pool and there is now money to study and
09:29:53 plan a new future park which is terrific.
09:29:55 But there is no money to stabilize this historic WPA
09:29:59 structure, and clearly plan for its future.
09:30:02 And to be quite honest, that's surprising and remarkably
09:30:06 Our community, and more importantly the entire city,
09:30:09 deserves to have this jewel returned to public use.
09:30:12 The 4,000 kids that use and visit the facility in the summer
09:30:17 just before the pool closed should have access to this great
09:30:20 facility, and all the programming that went with it.
09:30:23 The same way the Davis islands residents will soon benefit
09:30:27 from the repair and restore of the Jenkins facility.
09:30:30 Thank you for keeping this issue alive and on the radar, but
09:30:33 enough is enough.
09:30:33 I strongly encourage you not only to allocate the necessary
09:30:36 funding to stabilize this historic structure in the upcoming
09:30:39 14-15 budget, but to implement an actionable strategy to get
09:30:44 this facility reopened to serve the community in a positive
09:30:46 way, to preserve Tampa's heritage and to celebrate our
09:30:49 city's rich cultural diversity.
09:30:52 No more what-if plans and know more delays.
09:30:54 Thank you.
09:30:54 (Bell sounds).
09:30:56 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
09:30:56 Next, please.
09:30:57 >> My name is -- Johnson, galaxy fireworks here on item
09:31:06 number 4 that was pulled from the agenda, and I am asking
09:31:09 for that to be denied if possible.
09:31:12 This store has been allowed to operate the last seven months
09:31:15 without the proper permitting from the city fire marshal's
09:31:19 I don't know what other business in the city would be
09:31:21 allowed to operate without the proper permitting.
09:31:24 The city attorney's office informed us yesterday that they
09:31:26 have been cited for violation of the permits not being
09:31:31 obtained, but that is going to allow them to continue to be
09:31:34 open in violation.
09:31:35 And open illegally.
09:31:38 I'm asking you to please do something about this.
09:31:40 >>FRANK REDDICK: Let me just raise a question to legal
09:31:50 I think last time we met, we heard the speaker make some
09:31:55 similar comments.
09:31:56 Is it true or not that this company is operating without the
09:32:01 fire marshal signing off on this to prevent --
09:32:06 >>JULIA MANDELL: City attorney.
09:32:07 As you see from my memorandum, there is a pending code
09:32:10 enforcement action as it relates to the operation without
09:32:13 permits, and as a result of that pending code enforcement
09:32:16 action which is intended to be reviewed and heard and the
09:32:21 violations, the fact that there have been some threats of
09:32:26 judicial action taken against the city by the attorney for
09:32:28 phantom and you also happened to be in this room.
09:32:31 I think it would be more appropriate for me to brief you
09:32:34 individually as opposed to having this conversation in open
09:32:37 council forum.
09:32:38 >>FRANK REDDICK: Let me ask you, are they operating at this
09:32:41 >>JULIA MANDELL: I understand they are operating.
09:32:44 >> Well, if there is all of this pending inquiry going on,
09:32:49 why are they allowed to operate?
09:32:52 >>JULIA MANDELL: Mr. Reddick, given the fact that we are in
09:32:54 several different potential judicial forum, I think it's
09:32:58 more appropriate for me to have that conversation with you
09:33:00 individually as opposed to in open council chambers.
09:33:04 >>FRANK REDDICK: Okay.
09:33:07 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Mrs. Capin?
09:33:09 >>YVONNE CAPIN: When did this come to light, the violations,
09:33:14 the pending litigation?
09:33:17 When did this come to light?
09:33:19 >>JULIA MANDELL: This is an ongoing thing since the
09:33:22 beginning of the year.
09:33:24 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Why weren't we individually informed before
09:33:28 >>JULIA MANDELL: We don't typically inform you of these
09:33:32 Again, I would remind you, we have an attorney representing
09:33:36 phantom fireworks in the room right here.
09:33:38 We have several different judicial issues going on with this
09:33:44 There are some complicating factors in it.
09:33:46 And I would request if you would like me to pursue it
09:33:48 individually that would be more appropriate than having this
09:33:50 conversation in open City Council chambers.
09:33:53 >>YVONNE CAPIN: June 4th this was brought forth May 5.
09:33:57 That's all I have got to say.
09:33:59 >>JULIA MANDELL: Again, council, I understand what your
09:34:01 point is but we had things come up on the agenda where
09:34:04 there's pending action and I bring you memos.
09:34:09 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Mr. Cohen and Mr. Suarez.
09:34:10 >>HARRY COHEN: Thank you very much.
09:34:13 We all understand that when there are legal issues pending
09:34:19 that it might be better for you to talk to us in private,
09:34:22 and I'm sure that everyone will welcome that discussion.
09:34:27 We haven't gotten to item number 4 yet.
09:34:29 I think a 90-day continuance, though, seems to me to be very
09:34:35 Once we have all heard whatever it is you have to tell us,
09:34:38 then maybe we can make a decision about whether or not to
09:34:43 put it off that long or bring it back here, because that was
09:34:47 the one thing I saw.
09:34:48 90 days is a long, long time.
09:34:50 >>JULIA MANDELL: The reason I put it at 90 days, this is in
09:34:53 a process which is -- this is not just a general code
09:34:57 enforcement in front of the Code Enforcement Board.
09:34:59 This is within a judicial municipal violation process.
09:35:03 I wanted to have enough time for us to know it was going to
09:35:06 get through that process.
09:35:08 If you want me to come back sooner, I don't have a problem
09:35:10 with that and if it's still pending I will advice you of
09:35:13 that as well.
09:35:14 >>HARRY COHEN: I think these private conversations need to
09:35:16 take place quickly and then we can make a collective
09:35:19 decision about whether or not to bring it forward sooner, or
09:35:22 to put it off.
09:35:23 >>JULIA MANDELL: As it remains pending, P, and I think this
09:35:29 is all procedure, while it remains pending, it is a pending
09:35:33 legal matter, in a judicial forum, and under your rules of
09:35:37 procedure it is not appropriate to have these conversations,
09:35:40 again, in front of City Council, if it remains pending
09:35:43 that's going to be the advice that I continue to give.
09:35:45 If you want me to come back in a shorter time frame to
09:35:48 advise you of that I don't have any problem with that.
09:35:50 I will leave that to council and also go ahead and meet with
09:35:53 you individually next week.
09:35:55 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Before I go to Mr. Suarez -- and I hope
09:35:58 you finished -- I would entertain a motion from the council
09:36:02 member when these two fine council members speak regarding a
09:36:05 30-day extension, and the first two weeks of the 30 days for
09:36:10 yourself or your staff to meet with individual council
09:36:13 members one on one.
09:36:14 Mr. Suarez.
09:36:14 >>MARTIN SHELBY: It was referenced to council rules and I
09:36:19 want to make it clear what they are, remind you that council
09:36:24 should avoid any discussion of matters at a public meeting
09:36:26 where the city is or likely to be a party in litigation
09:36:29 without concurrence of council.
09:36:31 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
09:36:32 Mr. Suarez and Ms. Montelione.
09:36:33 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Let me ask you a hypothetical question.
09:36:36 If there is a business operating that is outside of state
09:36:39 statute, what do we usually do in terms of that?
09:36:43 I mean, as an example, if we know that this particular --
09:36:50 this hypothetical is somewhat going against state law, and
09:36:52 it's been brought to our attention -- do we then enforce
09:36:56 that state law based on those conditions?
09:36:58 Or what do we usually do?
09:37:02 >>JULIA MANDELL: I can answer that hypothetical by
09:37:04 answering --
09:37:05 >>MIKE SUAREZ: It was a hypothetical so you can answer.
09:37:08 >>JULIA MANDELL: Depends on the statute, depends on what
09:37:10 the violation is, and also will tell you this particular
09:37:13 statute at issue is a little bit more complicated than what
09:37:16 you would typically see in these kinds of circumstances,
09:37:19 which is again why I asked for this to be continued.
09:37:22 And things come in front of Code Enforcement Board come up
09:37:25 here all the time and I ask for similar matters and now that
09:37:29 I understand City Council would like to be briefed
09:37:30 individually I will go ahead and ask my assistant to set it
09:37:33 up as soon as possible.
09:37:34 >>MIKE SUAREZ: The question is still not answered on my
09:37:37 hypothetical, which is, there is a state statute that's been
09:37:41 passed, rules have been brought down by the state governing
09:37:45 board, that rules over that particular business.
09:37:48 How do we go about citing them or finding them for a
09:37:54 violation of state statute?
09:37:55 What's the process?
09:37:59 >>JULIA MANDELL: It depends on the statute because some of
09:38:01 the areas are ones which the Tampa Police Department has
09:38:04 authority over.
09:38:05 Typically, your code enforcement actions don't have
09:38:07 authority over it.
09:38:09 The state attorney's office has authority --
09:38:12 >>MIKE SUAREZ: If I could interrupt for a second that's the
09:38:15 reason for the question, which is it's not a normal code
09:38:17 enforcement violation, and again -- I know it depends of the
09:38:22 everything depends.
09:38:23 But this is why hypotheticals are not usually useful except
09:38:27 in public forums while we can't talk about particular cases.
09:38:30 So having said all of that, I understand where you are at.
09:38:33 I understand the problems that you have.
09:38:34 But here is the problem.
09:38:36 And I am going to get off the hypothetical for just a
09:38:38 second, is that you can have a violator, then hold back
09:38:41 where the biggest time of the year for the sale of this
09:38:46 particular property is coming up.
09:38:48 So continuance actually helps the violator.
09:38:50 I know that's not your concern.
09:38:53 You are looking only at the legal aspects of it.
09:38:55 But that's the real result of this.
09:38:58 If there is no injunctive action that we can take as a city
09:39:02 for someone to not continue to violate, you know, the law,
09:39:06 or at least come to a decision about it, it makes our
09:39:11 enforcement aspects moot for the future, because they can
09:39:17 keep legislating and we can keep adjudicating until
09:39:22 These what they did in the civil rights movement, and
09:39:25 segregationalists would pass a different law and made
09:39:28 everybody think they were doing something good when in fact
09:39:30 they weren't.
09:39:31 I don't need an answer from you.
09:39:32 I know you are in a very specific type of bind, but that's
09:39:36 the issue that I have, which is, when does city rules in
09:39:41 relation to state law kick in for us to have an enforcement
09:39:44 aspect of it without a corresponding bad actor,
09:39:50 hypothetically, going out there and continuing to violate
09:39:53 the law?
09:39:53 That's the only question I have.
09:39:55 And I understand why you can't answer.
09:39:57 Thank you, chair.
09:39:57 >>HARRY COHEN: Councilwoman Montelione.
09:40:02 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Mrs. Mandell, though I didn't speak to
09:40:05 you on this matter last night, I did speak to Chief Forward,
09:40:09 and my main concern was the life safety issue.
09:40:12 Just for our knowledge and the general public, can you
09:40:15 answer that part of the question?
09:40:17 Is there a life safety issue related to the inspections and
09:40:24 the volatile nature of the content?
09:40:31 >>JULIA MANDELL: I will tell you that as of today I have
09:40:34 not been informed by the fire marshal's office that there is
09:40:37 any life safety issue at this particular establishment.
09:40:41 And you are going to have to let me kind of keep going
09:40:43 because the attorney for phantom is sitting in the room
09:40:46 which is why I was a little concerned about having this
09:40:49 I can't tell you in the future that there won't be a life
09:40:51 safety issue, and I want to make sure that all rights are
09:40:54 reserved, that if there's a life safety issue we have other
09:40:57 options that could potentially be available.
09:40:58 >>LISA MONTELIONE: That is my main concern at the moment,
09:41:03 is the safety of the individuals be working in the store,
09:41:06 who visit the store, and who live near the store.
09:41:09 >>JULIA MANDELL: And as I said, as of this time, I have not
09:41:14 been informed that there is that type of issue.
09:41:16 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Understood.
09:41:18 Mr. Shelby, in the rules of procedure that you reference,
09:41:23 since this is pending litigation, rather than having
09:41:25 individual briefings, could we have a shade meeting?
09:41:29 And then this way everyone can be briefed at once?
09:41:33 >>MARTIN SHELBY: The statute doesn't provide that because
09:41:34 there isn't anything filed yet.
09:41:36 >>JULIA MANDELL: It's actually filed but it has to be
09:41:40 something where the city attorney is coming to get direction
09:41:42 as relates to potential settlement or strategy, and it is
09:41:45 not ripe for that at this time which is why I would prefer
09:41:48 to start with individual meetings to discuss that.
09:41:50 That's what the statute clearly provides for, is that it is
09:41:54 the city attorney wanting to come to the body for the
09:41:57 purposes of either asking for settlement authority or
09:41:59 direction on strategy, and it's too early in this matter to
09:42:04 ask for that of City Council.
09:42:06 >>LISA MONTELIONE: The settlement part doesn't apply but I
09:42:08 thought maybe the strategy portion was.
09:42:10 >>JULIA MANDELL: We are honestly not there yet.
09:42:12 I had asked for those types of meetings when I have looked
09:42:15 for some kind of strategy.
09:42:17 But at this point we are not there yet.
09:42:19 But I again think, now -- again, when the matter comes up we
09:42:27 don't always know this is something City Council wants to be
09:42:29 briefed on.
09:42:30 Now that I know that I will be making those appointments
09:42:32 with you as soon as possible.
09:42:33 >>HARRY COHEN: Councilman Reddick.
09:42:36 >>FRANK REDDICK: I want to make a motion.
09:42:38 I think it's important that we be briefed, because this has
09:42:41 been going on since December from the research I have done
09:42:45 on it.
09:42:46 Personally, it doesn't smell good.
09:42:51 But I am going to make a motion that legal report back to us
09:42:54 on 30 days and within those 30 days that legal meet with
09:42:59 each individual council member to give us a briefing on the
09:43:02 status of the particular issue.
09:43:04 >> Second.
09:43:05 >>HARRY COHEN: We have a motion from Councilman Reddick,
09:43:08 with two competing seconds from Councilwoman Montelione and
09:43:12 Councilwoman Mulhern.
09:43:13 We will give to the Councilwoman Montelione.
09:43:16 But the motion was for 30 days, without a date certain
09:43:21 attached to it.
09:43:21 I believe that falls within our break.
09:43:24 So could we set it for June 26th with the idea that
09:43:28 after the meetings we can always come back to it in our next
09:43:35 So we have a motion on the floor for a staff report on June
09:43:38 26th at 9:00 a.m.
09:43:41 Motion by Councilman Reddick.
09:43:43 Seconded by Councilwoman Montelione.
09:43:45 All in favor indicate by saying aye.
09:43:54 Mr. Chair, you are back.
09:43:55 >> Michael farmer, East Tampa.
09:44:02 I'm here to talk with you about the 22nd street stop sign.
09:44:06 I was contacted -- I contacted the City of Tampa
09:44:10 transportation department, the D.O.T., because it's a State
09:44:14 Road, and traffic on 22nd street, I notice the stop sign in
09:44:23 the sentinel newspaper backed up traffic at the roundabout
09:44:28 which about a million dollar, it backed it up so the stop
09:44:34 sign stops at the roundabout from working.
09:44:37 And I'm just -- Mr. Reddick, Councilwoman Miller, they went
09:44:47 to D.O.T. and had them replace the stop sign after D.O.T.
09:44:50 removed the stop sign so the roundabout could work.
09:44:54 Now, I don't think this is right.
09:44:59 You know, we spent money for road designs and everything to
09:45:05 make this thing work.
09:45:06 And yet him and the rest of them demanded D.O.T. to change
09:45:15 those stop signs back.
09:45:16 I personally don't think that no color, black, white, brown,
09:45:21 et cetera, any race nor any community nor any elected
09:45:24 political official should have the ability to demand or
09:45:30 enforce D.O.T. in matters of State Roadway travel for the
09:45:35 public which is all races and colors.
09:45:39 22nd street is paid by public and federal tax dollars, and
09:45:46 when leaders seek to control D.O.T. to violate the rights of
09:45:50 the public which has nothing to do with the stop sign or
09:45:53 traffic light, those political leaders are in fact sending a
09:45:56 message that the black community to drive in, sooner or
09:46:01 later poem and businesses will help to develop in the black
09:46:03 community because black political leaders have too much
09:46:07 influence over D.O.T. on state roads that lead into or
09:46:14 through our community, and that power that they may have
09:46:17 will adversely affect businesses to do business.
09:46:21 22nd street has historically been a one-way path to 21st
09:46:28 Now, Ms. Read and the rest of them, a guy almost got hit
09:46:35 because there's a stop sign.
09:46:38 I'm telling you right now I got in an accident.
09:46:40 I have -- it's not AP accident of what goes on down there.
09:46:48 I'm just trying to help solve a problem.
09:46:49 So when we spent all of this money for a roundabout, cost a
09:46:54 million dollars, approximately $4 million from Lake Avenue
09:46:57 all the way up to 1st street, a traffic calming device,
09:47:02 a stop sign, another traffic --
09:47:04 (Bell sounds).
09:47:06 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
09:47:06 >> -- should not be.
09:47:09 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
09:47:09 Next, please.
09:47:10 >>> My name is Ingrid Smith, 605 north pawn knee Avenue here
09:47:26 to speak on 5, 6, 8 and 10.
09:47:29 Basically, pretty much with Kim.
09:47:36 In regard to 5,
09:47:41 Proceed with caution.
09:47:42 We already have rules in place regarding noise and alcohol.
09:47:44 And it needs to be enforced before creating another layer.
09:47:49 We have neighborhoods that will have where several household
09:47:55 get together, and get hit with a $1,000 fine.
09:48:05 And hopefully Cuscaden park can finally see some care.
09:48:15 And this is the first time that if you are trying to go
09:48:19 northbound, and you were between 275 and Hillsborough River,
09:48:23 you could not pass.
09:48:26 Florida Avenue became totally impassable.
09:48:29 Central Avenue became impassable.
09:48:31 So did Highland and OLA.
09:48:33 You cannot get across.
09:48:36 There's a laundromat.
09:48:37 If you look at the line it's about halfway up their yard on
09:48:41 People are cutting through the neighborhoods, and finally
09:48:43 just waited it out.
09:48:47 So it's the first time we have seen it pop up since the
09:48:53 previous rainy season and I talked to stormwater asking if
09:48:56 they would consider cleaning out the pipes which I have
09:48:59 never seen them do as far as the runoff that goes down to
09:49:02 the river.
09:49:03 But even Nebraska Avenue had some restrictions at Comanche,
09:49:11 at central, Florida, and Highland, you cannot go north or
09:49:14 south unless you are on the interstate.
09:49:18 And the alternative design exception, this is in regard to
09:49:33 Something happens with the system.
09:49:38 We received notice in our neighborhood after the fact that
09:49:40 the design has been approved, but also it's been brought up
09:49:43 with staff for the wet zoning.
09:49:48 Somehow, got back into the notification, not necessarily
09:49:53 having a hearing, but trying to do something with getting
09:49:57 proper notification to those who are impacted, affected, you
09:50:01 know, where there may be some issues there.
09:50:03 Thank you.
09:50:05 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
09:50:05 Anyone else who has not spoken that would care to speak at
09:50:07 this time to this council during this time?
09:50:11 I see no one else.
09:50:13 We go to item number 1.
09:50:19 Rebuilding together Tampa Bay.
09:50:21 >> Thank you for the opportunity to be in front of you,
09:50:26 especially council members Capin, thank you for the
09:50:31 invitation --
09:50:32 >> What's your name, sir?
09:50:34 >> I'm sorry.
09:50:35 Jose Garcia, Executive Director, rebuilding together Tampa
09:50:40 We have a PowerPoint presentation for you just to make sure
09:50:43 that we don't miss anything and plan to keep on schedule.
09:50:51 We are volunteers rebuilding together to make a positive
09:50:54 impact in the lives of homeowners, the building together has
09:51:00 been created in 2000.
09:51:03 We are going to be our 15th anniversary next year and we
09:51:09 provide rebirth and rehab for homeowners, although also to
09:51:14 provide affordable housing opportunity for first-time home
09:51:21 So the three main outcomes of what we do, right now in the
09:51:27 City of Tampa, to create affordable housing through
09:51:35 rehabbing properties, the state owned properties and
09:51:39 building new houses as well as creating job opportunities
09:51:41 for supplies, and that allows us to do great work in our
09:51:50 All right.
09:51:51 So the homeowners that we help, we help families with
09:51:58 children, elderly persons, persons with disability, and our
09:52:03 They are come back.
09:52:03 They need to have their house repaired.
09:52:05 We are trying to make it as accessible as possible for them.
09:52:10 All of the work that we do from minor repairs all the way to
09:52:14 new homes, in between, you see all of the bars that tell us
09:52:18 what we do.
09:52:18 Some of them are basically to get homeowners back, invest in
09:52:24 our communities, especially the City of Tampa.
09:52:29 All right?
09:52:30 So these are the neighborhoods that we are working right
09:52:34 In Sulphur Springs, we provide residential rehab, and we are
09:52:38 part of the seven houses out of the eleven in Sulphur
09:52:48 We should have three more by the mid July.
09:52:51 In addition to doing rehab around those houses, Tampa
09:52:55 Heights is a big, big neighborhood that we have invested
09:53:02 $900,000 from 2013 to today.
09:53:05 In conjunction with the county, we do Palm River, doing
09:53:10 rehab the last three years.
09:53:14 West Tampa, we have been doing work there especially since
09:53:17 2009 when where we had 22 homes there during the Super Bowl
09:53:23 event, and then St. Petersburg, bar Bartlett park and
09:53:29 Campbell park.
09:53:30 We make impact in neighborhoods.
09:53:32 Once we make that big impact we move to the next one to help
09:53:35 more homeowners.
09:53:37 Sulphur Springs, again, we have 43 homes so far, rehab.
09:53:42 We have ten more to go.
09:53:43 And we are looking to complete seven new houses, and of
09:53:48 course looking to do more in the years to come.
09:53:54 Where we have been making impact, some of them have been new
09:53:56 homes, some of them rebuilt, and some about to be completed.
09:53:59 You can see the impact that we are making right now there.
09:54:06 These are photos of our volunteers there.
09:54:10 This is our new houses where we are part of the Nehemiah
09:54:15 We are lucky to have the mayor attending one of the houses
09:54:20 to see what is happening, and welcome to come back whenever
09:54:24 you have time.
09:54:25 We know you are very busy but you are welcome to stop by.
09:54:32 We have an incredible event.
09:54:34 Thank you very much for council members who were able to
09:54:37 attend with one of the celebrities, the sponsor for this
09:54:47 If you remember, we were part of the rehab of the future
09:54:54 home headquarters for the Tampa Heights.
09:54:59 Preservation on the homes, from where it was to where it is
09:55:03 today, our new home that was in West Tampa, MacFarlane park,
09:55:08 new Homers here, and how we break all of our incomes and
09:55:14 resources from public-private funding through skilled
09:55:19 trades, professionals, takes everybody to make this happen,
09:55:22 especially volunteers, who are very important.
09:55:25 We really care about them and their sponsorship and when
09:55:32 they came to do the work as the association.
09:55:38 Our sponsors from banks to private corporations, all are
09:55:45 there, and we are very grateful to them as well.
09:55:49 We create jobs.
09:55:54 Within the construction industry.
09:55:56 We want to make sure that everybody has the ability to be
09:55:58 part of our project.
09:56:01 We do everything by the code and with permits and we
09:56:03 guarantee the job that it should be.
09:56:06 When we started with the staff in 2006, from 2012 to 2014,
09:56:18 and to project new buildings.
09:56:21 So he would continue growing that agency.
09:56:26 Our volunteers, having a good time with them.
09:56:31 And I think I am running out of time.
09:56:34 (Bell sounds)
09:56:35 More volunteer work.
09:56:37 Thank you.
09:56:50 Thank you so much.
09:56:50 >>MIKE SUAREZ: All I have to say is, you know, if there's
09:57:00 any problems with the building the home, I didn't touch me
09:57:08 with the chainsaw.
09:57:11 [ Laughter ]
09:57:14 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you, Mr. Garcia.
09:57:20 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Appreciate it very much.
09:57:21 Mrs. Capin.
09:57:23 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Tell me a little about your partnership with
09:57:25 the city and the Nehemiah project.
09:57:27 How does that work?
09:57:29 >> You know, we are very grateful to the city and all of you
09:57:31 but especially our partnership with the community and
09:57:34 housing development department.
09:57:37 We started with the working with the rehab project.
09:57:40 We have been receiving CDBG funds since about 2011 and we
09:57:45 have several rehab properties.
09:57:47 Sulphur Springs is one target neighborhood to get started
09:57:51 with from 2009.
09:57:55 Our general contractor, we have a new general contractor
09:57:58 that qualified, certified general contractor.
09:58:01 We used to be certified CDC and he was already doing the
09:58:07 work for the city for the seven houses of Nehemiah project.
09:58:10 So we went back to the city.
09:58:13 To provide the administration component and provide all for
09:58:19 general contractors to make it happen.
09:58:20 And they realized that there was a good partnership, and the
09:58:24 fact that many of our suppliers, the quality and the pricing
09:58:30 that he would need to make this project as affordable as
09:58:34 So we have increased in many ways the outcome of these
09:58:37 For example, we have to have information that the house is
09:58:44 more energy efficient for the homeowners.
09:58:47 We are exploring in that way.
09:58:53 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I attended a couple of meetings and I was
09:58:54 invited to Kathy Castor's office about these projects and
09:58:59 these neighborhoods.
09:59:00 And when you spoke, it really hit home as to the partnership
09:59:08 that we needed to have.
09:59:09 So I appreciate you being here, and I appreciate the work
09:59:12 that you are doing.
09:59:13 >> Thank you very much once again for the opportunity for
09:59:17 everyone to work with us.
09:59:19 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
09:59:19 We appreciate it.
09:59:20 We go to requests for public reconsideration of any
09:59:23 legislative matters.
09:59:28 I see none.
09:59:29 We go to staff reports.
09:59:30 And I am going to ask the department to hold number 2 while
09:59:33 I go to number 3, since Mr. Forward has been here all
09:59:39 morning and I want him to get to work with one of the finest
09:59:43 fire departments, rescue in the state, maybe the nation.
09:59:46 Item number 3.
09:59:47 I will hold 2 for one second here.
09:59:49 >> Chief Tom Forward: City of Tampa's emergency manager
09:59:56 here to speak to the alert Tampa.
09:59:57 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I believe he's waiting for me to ask
10:00:09 What it is I wanted to have the chief talk to us about this
10:00:11 morning is the process by which the alert Tampa system
10:00:17 works, and how we can getter -- better community with the
10:00:23 citizens in times of not only -- we are in hurricane season
10:00:28 right now, but outside of hurricane season, seeing that
10:00:31 storms are becoming more unpredictable happening in times
10:00:36 that we don't expect them to happen, and they are getting
10:00:39 stronger because of the climate change that's going on.
10:00:43 It's not just us but, you know, two weeks before, I think
10:00:47 the day before we had the storm on May 2nd, which was a
10:00:51 500 year flood event, considered an abnormality, Pensacola
10:00:57 was hit as well.
10:00:58 So it's not just us but all over the state.
10:01:02 And so can you talk to us a little bit about how we inform
10:01:05 our citizens to be safe in those conditions?
10:01:09 >> Thank you, Councilwoman Montelione.
10:01:11 Obviously, our notification system for the City of Tampa is
10:01:14 the alert Tampa program, and with that, that program is --
10:01:21 the City of Tampa and fire chief, that's the system that we
10:01:24 took in here as City of Tampa in order to notify any of our
10:01:29 citizens, any of our community, anybody that has interest in
10:01:33 the City of Tampa, to make them aware of any type of pending
10:01:37 issues that might be an issue of concern that would impact
10:01:41 them, their daily lives, daily travel, from their
10:01:46 communities where they may live, with respect to that.
10:01:49 And to speak specifically to Councilwoman Montelione, very
10:01:57 careful with respect to how we deploy Alert Tampa.
10:02:04 We have to be careful that the information we are going to
10:02:07 communicate has imminent threats and danger to the community
10:02:10 we are going to be dealing with.
10:02:11 Weather systems in Florida are what they are.
10:02:13 We have a very, very different type of pattern of weather
10:02:19 here, and we have to be careful about how we communicate
10:02:22 alerts, vice versa, what the National Weather Service and
10:02:27 our local meteorologists are going to be doing.
10:02:30 That said, when we have an imminent threat of a significant
10:02:33 system that's going to impact our community, you can rest
10:02:37 assured that we are not only following, taking that
10:02:40 information from the National Weather Service, from the
10:02:43 National Hurricane Center, but all the local meteorologists
10:02:47 with respect to be how we are going to communicate that to
10:02:49 the public.
10:02:51 Now, again, my cautionary point is that we will not
10:02:55 communicate everything with respect to a weather system
10:03:00 because when know that those are hit and miss most of the
10:03:03 Alert Tampa, when any department head uses that system to
10:03:07 alert our communities, or alert those persons that have an
10:03:10 interest in the City of Tampa, we want to be certain that
10:03:14 what we are going to communicate to them to those affected
10:03:18 persons, they listen to us and they pay particular attention
10:03:21 to it. If we made an alert to every incident that might be
10:03:24 out there, sooner or later, people are going to stop
10:03:28 listening to us, and they are going to stop listening to
10:03:31 that mass notification system, and it's going to be
10:03:38 How we address people, what we do, again as I said,
10:03:43 significant information that's pretty detailed, that it's
10:03:47 going to have an imminent threat to a community, to a
10:03:49 roadway, you can rest assured that the City of Tampa,
10:03:53 through the mayor's office, will make that happen.
10:03:55 We are going to make that notification alert.
10:03:57 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Thank you, chief.
10:03:59 And, you know, we had a quite lengthy conversation about
10:04:03 this, and my concern, what prompted my concern was with that
10:04:09 storm that occurred on May 2nd was the National Weather
10:04:14 Service had pushed out a flood alert, and that anybody who
10:04:20 has a cell phone probably got that alert because it's
10:04:25 generated by the National Weather Service, if you have a
10:04:28 smart phone you are going to get that alert.
10:04:31 I didn't receive the alert Tampa instructions until about
10:04:37 three hours later.
10:04:39 And that was a concern to me.
10:04:42 However, in our conversation, as we were doing some research
10:04:45 and looking around, I did get a tweet from the City of Tampa
10:04:52 before the National Weather Service sent the flood alert
10:04:56 So it seems to be some inconsistency with the communication
10:05:02 with the public.
10:05:04 Now, personally, you know, I would rather get the
10:05:07 information ahead of time.
10:05:10 So the 10:00 tweet was great, but the 3:00 alert Tampa
10:05:16 notice was way late in the day to have that reach the
10:05:23 So I guess what I am looking for, you know, in the future is
10:05:27 better coordination, alternative ways of communication
10:05:30 rather than just the alert Tampa, using the City of Tampa's
10:05:34 Twitter account, because last time we had you here -- I
10:05:38 don't remember if anybody remembers how long ago it was when
10:05:40 we talked about alert Tampa --
10:05:44 >> 2010.
10:05:46 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Thank you.
10:05:49 It was discussed then that we didn't have a lot of people
10:05:53 signed up or not nearly enough people signed up for alert
10:05:57 But, you know, in my experience with social media, and
10:06:03 people around the world even with social media, is that news
10:06:08 travels fast.
10:06:10 So I can disseminate it.
10:06:14 City of Tampa send out a tweet.
10:06:16 I can send it out, retweet it, and people who aren't even
10:06:20 signed up for the City of Tampa's alerts will get it.
10:06:23 So just looking to maybe move into the 21st century.
10:06:28 >> Chief Forward: As you communicated earlier, in the
10:06:32 discussion, the tweet, the City of Tampa's tweet did come
10:06:36 out that we were having a system that was going to come
10:06:39 Because the City of Tampa does not house the requisite
10:06:43 technology to track all type of systems and know what they
10:06:47 are going to do, we are always at the mercy of what the
10:06:49 weather system is actually going to do.
10:06:51 We don't know it's going to move into our area, stall.
10:06:55 Obviously if we have a major system that's dropping heavy
10:06:59 water, condensation, we know in the City of Tampa we are
10:07:02 probably going to have some flooding, and there are going to
10:07:04 be certain areas that are going to flood.
10:07:07 So we will be more proactive in those things.
10:07:10 The system that we have will work.
10:07:12 The mayor has a very ambitious campaign in our community to
10:07:17 residents sign up for alert Tampa.
10:07:19 If you have any interest whatsoever in this community, sign
10:07:22 up for that, even if you don't live in Tampa.
10:07:26 You will also get the alert of what's going to happen, how
10:07:29 it will impact this community.
10:07:31 >>LISA MONTELIONE: My suggestion would be to have another
10:07:33 Twitter account that's an alert Tampa Twitter.
10:07:36 So it's alert Tampa, and you can sign up whether you prefer
10:07:38 to get in the e-mail, or whether you prefer to get it in
10:07:41 social media.
10:07:42 So this way the public has a choice of how they want to
10:07:46 participate in the alert Tampa system.
10:07:49 And it's free.
10:07:51 What's better than?
10:07:53 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Ms. Capin.
10:07:55 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I'm curious about the process, because Chief
10:07:58 Forward, this is your call, correct?
10:08:03 >> Yes, ma'am.
10:08:04 >>YVONNE CAPIN: When you make this call to the mayor's
10:08:06 office, it goes to the public affairs director?
10:08:10 >> It goes to the --
10:08:12 >>YVONNE CAPIN: And then how -- what kind of urgency are?
10:08:16 Is there a different kind of urgency that you can give her S
10:08:20 so that is correct she knows to be out right away or three
10:08:24 hours later?
10:08:25 >> No, ma'am, almost invariably, she gets a call from
10:08:28 myself, fire chief, or the police chief, Chief Castor.
10:08:32 She almost -- she gets the information directly from the
10:08:36 department head.
10:08:37 She goes ahead and makes the contact with the dispatch
10:08:40 center, and they go ahead and send that notification out.
10:08:44 >>YVONNE CAPIN: So it's opposed to be immediate?
10:08:46 >> It's pretty immediate.
10:08:47 Pretty immediate.
10:08:49 Obviously, she's going to make certain that the mayor is
10:08:52 aware of this as well, so that he can -- we make certain
10:08:56 that he is into the communication for continuity, and then
10:09:01 she moves, but it's not a prolonged period of time from the
10:09:05 time it is given to her.
10:09:07 >>YVONNE CAPIN: So she makes sure that the mayor knows.
10:09:09 And if the mayor is at a luncheon, she still let's them
10:09:12 >> Whether it's a public works session, whether it's a
10:09:18 sewage break, whether it's a road out.
10:09:21 >>YVONNE CAPIN: That's perfect.
10:09:21 Thank you.
10:09:22 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Mr. Suarez?
10:09:23 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Chief, quick question about -- there's a
10:09:28 couple things happening now.
10:09:29 June 1st was the beginning of hurricane season.
10:09:31 Because of my other profession, I'm acutely aware of it.
10:09:35 Over the last five years the National Weather Service has
10:09:37 said we are going to have increased activity of hurricanes.
10:09:40 We have not.
10:09:41 This year, they said they are going to have less activity,
10:09:45 and now I am scared, okay?
10:09:49 [ Laughter ]
10:09:50 The last was almost about ten years, nine years ago, 2005
10:09:54 when we had a significant amount of activity concerning
10:09:57 hurricanes, and things have changed in nine years.
10:10:00 Mrs. Montelione has mentioned about alert Tampa.
10:10:02 Some of the things that we can do, electronically that we
10:10:07 couldn't do before.
10:10:08 The question I have is this.
10:10:09 When you have, in our industry, we have, you know, when it
10:10:12 in the box, when there's a tropical storm in the box, and
10:10:15 for people that don't know that, it is the longitude and
10:10:17 latitude of the direction that's just west of the Tampa Bay
10:10:20 area, and just south or just north.
10:10:23 So what they do is, insurance companies say, you cannot
10:10:27 write property insurance when it's in the box.
10:10:29 And I think that a lot of times, it's overkill.
10:10:33 Now, in the industry, they want to make sure that you don't
10:10:36 do anything because they don't want to have to cover for
10:10:38 losses for new properties.
10:10:39 But I think that we may want to, if this isn't already part
10:10:43 of it, have a process that when a tropical storm is there,
10:10:49 in the box, but is about to become a hurricane, or may stop
10:10:52 being a tropical storm, that we have to maybe identify that.
10:10:56 I know that you as part of the emergency response system are
10:11:00 going to coordinate with the county, the emergency response
10:11:03 centers, you know, be activated, once we are at that point
10:11:07 where we need to get everyone on call.
10:11:10 Is there a way -- and maybe you can put this as a proceed to
10:11:17 alert folks when they are going to be alerted because
10:11:20 there's going to be emergency on the news, there's something
10:11:24 better for a local news station than the naming of a
10:11:27 tropical storm or hurricane, because they will beat the hell
10:11:31 out of that name forever.
10:11:32 But maybe there's a way to also alert, once that happens, to
10:11:39 where to go, if you have to be evacuated.
10:11:41 You know, what those evacuation routes may be, because it
10:11:45 all depends on the direction of the storm, and I know that
10:11:47 you have got to have some kind of scenario before you start
10:11:52 activating it.
10:11:53 And I don't have a time frame in terms of when to do it.
10:11:56 But just be cognizant of that.
10:11:58 I think that we can use alert Tampa a lot more efficiently,
10:12:01 a lot more effectively in terms of what that news is, so
10:12:04 that people do know that maybe it shouldn't be on the roads,
10:12:07 people know that there may be flooding in certain areas.
10:12:10 I think if you live in South Tampa or certain areas of the
10:12:13 city you are going to know flooding.
10:12:18 But there's some poem that forget about it, you know.
10:12:20 And so I would just tell you that maybe just fine a way of
10:12:24 doing that procedure, especially on large tropical storms or
10:12:28 hurricanes so that we can be alerted as soon as possible.
10:12:30 >> We will definitely take that under advisement.
10:12:34 And obviously this year, the national weather system has
10:12:36 given up an additional 12th that they have on hurricane
10:12:43 and tropical storm watch and warning.
10:12:45 So it gives up a few more hours with which to make some
10:12:48 really, really informed decisions and to notify our public
10:12:52 about the significance of the system that's forming as well.
10:12:55 So basically to help them identify their evacuation route is
10:12:59 not an unreasonable request, but we would still strongly
10:13:03 urge all of our citizens in our community, which is why we
10:13:06 put so much emphasis into our hurricane Expo every year to
10:13:12 bring that public in, communicate to them the concerns that
10:13:15 they really need to take upon themselves, to make sure they
10:13:18 have the most safe and efficient they can -- you know, we
10:13:25 put more time, our communities put more time into what they
10:13:29 are going to prepare for the Thanksgiving feast, what gift
10:13:34 they are going to buy for Christmastime, than they do in
10:13:37 putting themselves in preparing for this hurricane, the
10:13:40 storm season.
10:13:41 So we really need to stress that for our community.
10:13:46 Nobody takes better care of them than ourselves.
10:13:49 We are here as a government to respond but they need some
10:13:55 type of preparedness.
10:13:57 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Chief, I think that last statement, no
10:13:59 one can be better prepared than yourself, and here is where
10:14:02 I come in, because I don't receive anything, that's how I
10:14:10 I don't have anything in my phone bank.
10:14:13 If I call you call you it's memory I.don't want to say your
10:14:17 phone number because the public will be calling you.
10:14:19 But if you want to see what's happening, all you have to do
10:14:22 is look up, look out, see what the clouds are forming, we
10:14:28 had channel 49, 1919, national weather, the European mold,
10:14:32 U.S. model.
10:14:33 Guess what.
10:14:33 The European model is more correct than the U.S. model for
10:14:37 whatever reason.
10:14:37 Right now you have got that low pressure coming through the
10:14:40 Gulf of Campeche up to Mexico, and one model, that's the
10:14:44 U.S., is to the west side.
10:14:47 Most models from the European says they are going Pensacola
10:14:53 east -- I mean to the west side of that area of Pensacola,
10:14:57 back where it came from.
10:14:59 So if I don't see any activity or I see a person walking
10:15:07 their dog and the dog wants to go back home, there's rain
10:15:11 I see all of that.
10:15:12 I notice those things.
10:15:14 [ Laughter ]
10:15:15 If I don't see seagulls flying and if I don't see birds
10:15:19 chirping with my windows down, that means there's a storm
10:15:23 Because they know much more than we know.
10:15:25 And because they have got to survive that way.
10:15:28 When you have all this tax base where you can buy all the
10:15:32 equipment and set yourselves 7%, guess what happens.
10:15:36 The largest day is the day there's a storm coming or the
10:15:39 last day because you want to think about tomorrow, tomorrow,
10:15:44 Well, tomorrow is here.
10:15:46 If you are in Florida, anywhere in Florida, from mid-may to
10:15:50 the end of November -- and I am a exaggerating on the days,
10:15:54 June 1st, you are going to be prepared for some type of
10:15:57 weather, and you are right.
10:16:00 Government is not your first resource.
10:16:02 The first resource is yourself.
10:16:04 And if I was in Oklahoma, I would be worrying about
10:16:08 But I'm not.
10:16:09 I would be worried about hurricanes here or tropical or
10:16:13 named storms, whatever comes up.
10:16:14 But we appreciate all the effort that you are doing in your
10:16:17 department is doing, and for those that receive your
10:16:20 information, it's quick.
10:16:23 Maybe it's not as quick as anybody wants it, because we want
10:16:26 it pronto, right now.
10:16:27 And sometimes you sent out information ahead of what you
10:16:30 think is happening, and that information is incorrect.
10:16:33 So my advice is, I would rather get it a little bit later
10:16:36 and be correct than to have an update every five minutes,
10:16:40 because then you really get confused.
10:16:42 But thank you for what you do.
10:16:43 And we are very appreciative.
10:16:45 Council member Cohen.
10:16:46 >>HARRY COHEN: Thank you very much, Mr. Chair.
10:16:49 It's not normally customary for any of us to speak after the
10:16:53 chair, but the comments were so on point and they reminded
10:16:57 me of something you said at the beginning of your
10:16:59 presentation about making a judgment call about what you
10:17:02 should send out an alert about and what you should not.
10:17:05 Not wanting to overdo it with people.
10:17:07 And it occurred to me, you know, when you talk about big
10:17:10 events, hurricanes, major storm events, there are a lot of
10:17:15 different media outlets, and places where people get
10:17:21 But when you are talking about a specific localized event,
10:17:25 particularly a street that is flooding very, very quickly,
10:17:29 those are the events where people are unlikely to get the
10:17:33 information from any other source.
10:17:35 And in terms of the types of calls that my office receives,
10:17:40 and all of our offices receive, it's the events that, you
10:17:45 know, a street is passible one minute, and ten minutes
10:17:50 later, it's so deep in water that the cars can no longer get
10:17:55 I think that the alerts that tell people to avoid those
10:17:59 types of streets are probably the number one best use of our
10:18:04 resources, because they actually can force somebody to turn
10:18:10 right instead of turn left and perhaps not just save their
10:18:13 life but also save their car.
10:18:15 We get a lot of, you know, of feedback from individuals who
10:18:22 are very thankful that no one got hurt, but they have a lot
10:18:25 of property damage as a result of getting caught in an
10:18:28 unanticipated flooding event.
10:18:30 So thank you very, very much for your presentation today,
10:18:33 and hopefully everyone will heed Councilman Miranda's
10:18:37 warning and get prepared themselves for what we know is
10:18:40 coming this summer.
10:18:40 >> We went from the 21st to the 12th.
10:18:50 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
10:18:50 I appreciate it very much.
10:18:54 We go to item number 2.
10:18:56 And I apologize to our staff.
10:18:58 I had to get the chief back to work.
10:18:59 >>SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES: City clerk.
10:19:13 I'm here regarding item number 2, presentation, applicants
10:19:20 requesting position on the enterprise zone development
10:19:24 We have four vacancies and three incumbents asking to be
10:19:32 I don't know if any of them are here.
10:19:45 >> Good morning.
10:19:46 I'm Randy Smith.
10:19:48 I'm on the staff of Tampa Hillsborough EDC.
10:19:52 I'm director of research there.
10:19:55 I started with the EDC in February of 2010 and shortly
10:19:59 thereafter was appointed to a position on the EDC board.
10:20:05 Quite candidly it's been a learning experience from the
10:20:07 start, but it has also been rewarding to see how the
10:20:11 enterprise zone benefits businesses in our community.
10:20:14 As a Tampa resident of over 30 years, it's been exciting to
10:20:18 witness our area's economic growth, and its transition into
10:20:22 major business market that is now attracting companies such
10:20:25 as Bristol-Myers Squibb and Amazon.
10:20:29 Prior to June, the EDC, most of my professional career was
10:20:32 involved in commercial real estate here in the Tampa area.
10:20:36 During that time I was able to work with professionals as in
10:20:40 the real estate industry including brokers, property owners,
10:20:44 developers, and investors, who have contributed to our
10:20:47 business growth and brought new investment dollars into our
10:20:53 One of my responsibilities at the EDC is providing site
10:20:56 selection assistance to companies looking to relocate or
10:20:59 expand here.
10:21:01 By becoming more knowledgeable about the enterprise zone and
10:21:04 its potential benefits for businesses, I'm better able to
10:21:08 assist companies that might be considering locations within
10:21:11 the enterprise zone.
10:21:14 The enterprise zone program is an important tool in
10:21:18 enhancing our local economy, but in order to make a
10:21:21 significant impact, I believe we must deliver a stronger
10:21:24 message throughout our community and beyond.
10:21:28 If selected to this board, I will use the position to
10:21:32 increase the audience for the enterprise zone and its
10:21:36 Now, at the EDC we engage the business community.
10:21:39 We have opportunities to keep them updated on developments
10:21:41 in the enterprise zone, and also to provide feedback to the
10:21:45 board on how the program might be enhanced to better
10:21:49 accomplish its mission.
10:21:51 With this shared knowledge, I believe we will make the
10:21:53 enterprise zone more effective and better communicate its
10:21:57 benefits to businesses in our community.
10:21:59 And those looking to establish operations here.
10:22:03 I look forward to that opportunity.
10:22:05 And I appreciate your consideration.
10:22:07 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
10:22:07 I appreciate it very much, sir.
10:22:09 Next, please.
10:22:09 >> Good morning council members.
10:22:14 My name is lance morally.
10:22:16 I previously have been serving on the enterprise zone
10:22:18 development agency since November of 2012.
10:22:22 A little bit about myself.
10:22:23 I'm originally from Jacksonville, and I matriculated to
10:22:27 Tampa, Florida in August 2009.
10:22:30 I am a local attorney, although I am not the attorney for
10:22:32 the phantom fireworks.
10:22:35 [ Laughter ]
10:22:40 >> You're appointed [ Laughter ]
10:22:41 >> I have been practicing in the area for five years, and am
10:22:45 always looking to be involved with community than in some
10:22:49 form or faction to be a benefit to the community as a whole.
10:22:53 I feel that the enter design zone agencies, after serving on
10:22:58 it since approximately November 2012, I would like to, if
10:23:03 afforded the opportunity, of course, take that chance and
10:23:06 actually become more involved, promote the EDC more so than
10:23:12 just a more sell benefit, for the city as a whole.
10:23:15 I believe Tampa is a city that is filled with potential and
10:23:18 I would like to help maximize that as a member of the
10:23:21 enterprise zone agency.
10:23:23 Thanks so much for your time.
10:23:25 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you, sir.
10:23:27 Anyone else?
10:23:29 There was three applicants for four positions.
10:23:31 So I think you can figure that one out.
10:23:33 >>SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES: The other applicant is Clinton
10:23:39 Robinson, and we have one vacancy.
10:23:41 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Move approval of the three applicants to the
10:23:47 >> Second.
10:23:48 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion by Mr. Suarez, second by
10:23:50 Mr. Cohen.
10:23:50 Further discussion?
10:23:51 Mr. Suarez, you moved the resolution.
10:23:58 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I move the resolution approving and
10:24:02 ratifying and confirming the appointment of the three to
10:24:09 serve the City of Tampa administration.
10:24:12 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Motion by Mr. Suarez.
10:24:13 Second by Mr. Cohen.
10:24:14 Further discussion by council members?
10:24:15 All in favor of the motion?
10:24:17 The ayes have it unanimously.
10:24:19 >>SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES: Council, we will readvertise for
10:24:22 the other position.
10:24:23 I also want to mention that we have vacancies on the
10:24:28 affordable housing advisory committee, the Architectural
10:24:32 Review Commission, and the equal business opportunity
10:24:35 advisory council.
10:24:37 So we are looking for applicants.
10:24:39 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Let me say this.
10:24:42 I have seen some advertising on channel 15 to apply and I
10:24:45 appreciate it very much.
10:24:47 It's a pleasure to see those things.
10:24:49 You are doing a great job.
10:24:50 >>SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES: Thank you very much.
10:24:52 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Okay.
10:24:53 Item number 4.
10:24:54 I think that was touched on earlier.
10:24:56 And we were told that they would like to have a 30 day
10:25:01 extension instead of 90.
10:25:03 I think legally -- and I am not trying to play lawyer
10:25:05 here -- but the more we talk here, the harder it may be for
10:25:09 our own staff to represent us on the utmost highest level of
10:25:13 law enforcement.
10:25:15 So I need a motion for 30 days.
10:25:17 >>HARRY COHEN: We get it.
10:25:21 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Item 4 is done.
10:25:24 Item number 5.
10:25:24 >>REBECCA KERT: Legal department, here on item 5 to respond
10:25:32 to City Council's request that we look for ways to address
10:25:36 open house parties, in particular, Councilman Reddick had
10:25:39 put forward an ordinance from the city of Winter Park.
10:25:47 First of all as defined by state statute an open house
10:25:50 party, at a residence, where there is underage drinking
10:25:55 and/or drug use.
10:25:58 There is a state statute that deals with open house.
10:26:01 We did review that.
10:26:02 Then we looked to the Winter Park ordinance to see what the
10:26:05 Winter Park ordinance added that was not already in the
10:26:07 state statute.
10:26:08 And what we found is the Winter Park ordinance, as well as
10:26:12 my office, had discussions with the police, and the
10:26:16 attorneys for Winter Park, as well as discussion was our own
10:26:19 police department, is that the Winter Park ordinance
10:26:21 provided an opportunity to address -- speak redress from the
10:26:27 property owners rather than just an opportunity to deal with
10:26:29 whoever happened to be leasing or renting the house at the
10:26:34 In our discussion was Winter Park they found that was an
10:26:37 effective tool, even if the -- especially when the landlords
10:26:41 are be a sen see landlords and may not be aware of the
10:26:44 situations in that area.
10:26:45 So we would like -- and we would recommend to you that we do
10:26:49 attempt to create an ordinance to incorporate that element.
10:26:54 The Winter Park ordinance, it doesn't fit, there are some
10:26:59 things that don't work for the systems that we have in
10:27:01 place, but we do think that is a good tool that we can
10:27:05 address to you.
10:27:06 In addition, when we were looking at the Winter Park
10:27:07 ordinance we started to look at some other ordinances across
10:27:09 the city and how they deal with the open house parties and
10:27:14 the situations and the problems that result from that, and
10:27:17 we found some other creative ideas that we have not had an
10:27:20 opportunity to fully vet with the police department, and the
10:27:23 other departments, but we think we would like to have the
10:27:25 opportunity to incorporate those, the Winter Park ordinance
10:27:28 and some of these other ideas that we come across from your
10:27:31 direction to look into this, to bring something back.
10:27:34 And we would ask for a few months to have a chance to draft
10:27:37 that and circulated it and Gitt it comments back.
10:27:41 You can bring it back for first reading oh are workshop,
10:27:43 whatever your pleasure is.
10:27:45 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have an order, Mrs. Montelione, Mr.
10:27:48 Reddick, Mrs. Mulhern.
10:27:49 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Mrs. Kert, could you briefly just
10:27:56 summarize the state statute?
10:27:57 Because I am not familiar with it.
10:27:59 We didn't have a briefing prior to this.
10:28:01 >>REBECCA KERT: Yes.
10:28:03 In short, the state statute defines an open house party as a
10:28:07 social gathering at a residence and prevents anyone who had
10:28:10 control of a resident from allowing an open house party, so
10:28:14 you can't have a party if you allow underage drinking or
10:28:17 minors using drugs and that is a first or second degree
10:28:22 misdemeanor depending upon circumstances.
10:28:26 >>LISA MONTELIONE: And you said, if I heard you correctly,
10:28:29 that whoever is in control of the property is the
10:28:33 responsible party, if they allow those behaviors?
10:28:38 >>REBECCA KERT: Understate statute.
10:28:39 >>LISA MONTELIONE: So how is it that you also said, you
10:28:43 know, just trying to do the best I can here listening, that
10:28:47 the Winter Park ordinance affords the ability to put the
10:28:52 property owner on the hook for whatever happens at that
10:29:00 It sound ton me like the state statute already does that by
10:29:03 saying the party in control.
10:29:06 >>REBECCA KERT: The state statute criminalizes the behavior
10:29:12 the person in control of the property.
10:29:13 The Winter Park takes a different approach and allows for
10:29:16 some civil liability for a property owner if they directly
10:29:20 or indirectly allow this to happen.
10:29:22 And when you have an absentee property owner, you have
10:29:27 issues with whether or not you can hold them culpable with
10:29:30 whether or not they have notice.
10:29:31 That being said --
10:29:35 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Who is in control under the state
10:29:40 The property owner can say if they are be a sen see the that
10:29:43 they were not in control.
10:29:44 >> Correct, understood the state statute.
10:29:46 Winter Park provides notice the first time this happens, or
10:29:49 provides notice to the property owner. If the property
10:29:51 owner then continues to allow this behavior to occur, they
10:29:55 have been on notice.
10:29:57 If they continue to allow to the occur, then they can have
10:30:00 some liability.
10:30:00 >>LISA MONTELIONE: And similarly, we are looking at
10:30:04 ordinances that hold the property owner responsible under
10:30:09 our code enforcement issues, the sections of the code, and
10:30:16 we are kind of struggling with that, with rental inspections
10:30:19 and some other things that we have been trying to accomplish
10:30:24 probably for a couple of years now, and haven't been able
10:30:29 So I guess I'm looking at this as mirroring that.
10:30:36 It's another attempt to hold property owners accountable for
10:30:40 what happens on their property, whether it's accumulations,
10:30:44 or noise, or, you know, all of the things that people can do
10:30:50 on their property, property owners, and their
10:30:53 representatives are looking at it as, well, you are
10:30:56 infringing on my property rights, and Florida is a very
10:31:00 strong property rights state.
10:31:01 So I have a little bit of struggle with that aspect of it.
10:31:10 The other issue that I had was that Winter Park population
10:31:13 is 28,924, and the land area is 8.7 miles.
10:31:19 The City of Tampa is population 347,645? 352 now?
10:31:31 These were 2012 numbers.
10:31:34 And has a land area of approximately 170.6 miles.
10:31:43 So there's a little bit of a difference between the
10:31:45 population of Winter Park and the population of the City of
10:31:49 So I think that this might, you know, come in to play a
10:31:53 little more often in Tampa than it would in Winter Park.
10:31:57 So I have concerns about having an ordinance, or having
10:32:02 ideas that are proposed in a teeny tiny little place in the
10:32:07 State of Florida to a major city.
10:32:13 The last issue that I have is, you know, in some
10:32:18 neighborhoods, folks just can't seem to get along, and in
10:32:23 certain instances, there might be neighbors that have a very
10:32:27 low tolerance, or there might be neighbors that just have a
10:32:30 grudge against somebody because they don't like the way they
10:32:32 wear their hair.
10:32:34 And we have people -- that wasn't a reference to you.
10:32:42 [ Laughter ]
10:32:44 They may not like your beard.
10:32:46 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Or my hair is on backwards.
10:32:52 >>LISA MONTELIONE: It worries me that we might have people
10:32:54 calling for, you know, reasons that they know now they can
10:33:00 get their neighbor in lots of trouble where before it would
10:33:03 just be a police call, they come out and talk and reason
10:33:06 with them and say please don't do this again, your neighbors
10:33:10 are complaining, and work things out.
10:33:11 But now they say, oh, well, you can really get them now
10:33:14 because, you know, they can get warnings and then have to
10:33:18 pay $1,000 under this ordinance.
10:33:21 So I wonder about the misapplication.
10:33:24 >>REBECCA KERT: We weren't necessarily prepared to listing
10:33:29 the Winter Park ordinance directly.
10:33:32 There are some things like the thousand dollar fine that
10:33:34 would not fit into the system that wove, and the Tampa
10:33:36 Police Department will still be the people that are called,
10:33:39 and still have the same discretion that they have today
10:33:43 under the state statute.
10:33:44 And if it's not working, the City Council doesn't want to
10:33:46 move it forward, you don't have to.
10:33:48 But if you do move it forward and it doesn't work you can
10:33:51 take it back.
10:33:51 The only point I wanted to make, yes, Winter Park is a very
10:33:56 small jurisdiction, and even the larger jurisdictions like
10:34:00 Miami and Orlando we looked to everyone to see whether or
10:34:02 not people have good and creative ideas and some of the
10:34:05 bigger jurisdictions we may look at and realize not
10:34:08 appropriate or not something legally we would support within
10:34:10 the City of Tampa.
10:34:11 But some of the smaller jurisdictions may have problems that
10:34:15 are very similar to certain neighborhoods within the City of
10:34:17 Tampa, and in particular the open house parties tend to be
10:34:21 problems that occur around where there are kids,
10:34:28 universities, which tends to be where the problems occur,
10:34:31 and Winter Park apparently had these situations.
10:34:35 So again, we are not recommending picking up everything from
10:34:38 Winter Park and adopting it as it is.
10:34:42 If you want additional time to look at and see what is good
10:34:46 and what we would recommend putting into our ordinance.
10:34:50 >>LISA MONTELIONE: And I would just say during public
10:34:53 comment we heard from some of the individuals in the public,
10:34:55 and I echo their concerns as well.
10:34:57 >>REBECCA KERT: Sure.
10:34:59 Thank you.
10:35:00 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Mr. Reddick and Mr. Suarez in, that
10:35:02 >>FRANK REDDICK: Thank you, Mr. Chair.
10:35:05 The reason why I requested legal to review that ordinance is
10:35:10 because Hyde Park and part of West Tampa, would he have been
10:35:16 having a lot of these problems.
10:35:19 It's been a nuisance tote police department, and I think my
10:35:22 colleague would change her tune once we present the
10:35:27 And here is what I want to present you with evidence of
10:35:30 what's going on.
10:35:31 Take a look at these pictures.
10:35:33 This is happening in the north part of Hyde Park in West
10:35:38 These are pictures of these parties.
10:35:41 Let's show them.
10:35:42 This is what's going on.
10:35:46 Put the next one.
10:35:48 This is what's going on.
10:35:49 Do you want this in your community?
10:35:51 These are house parties.
10:35:53 This is what's going on.
10:35:58 This is what's going on.
10:35:59 And these pictures are taken by administration of the
10:36:03 university of Tampa that's presenting these to us.
10:36:08 These people -- law enforement can vouch for
10:36:13 This. They are being called weekend after weekend dealing
10:36:15 with this issue.
10:36:17 And these people are part of this in Hyde Park and West
10:36:22 This is part of the reason why administration of the City of
10:36:25 Tampa is supporting this and this is the reason why we are
10:36:28 asking that something be done.
10:36:31 So to this council, I don't think you want to live in an
10:36:37 environment where these events are going on 2:00, 3:00 in
10:36:40 the morning.
10:36:41 And I don't think these residents in this area put up with
10:36:44 this at 2:00 or 3:00 in the morning.
10:36:47 We get constant e-mails for resident in the community.
10:36:50 Administration, they are calling and calling and calling.
10:36:56 They are sending me letters.
10:36:59 We need something to put in place.
10:37:01 And when we had opportunity to look at one that's in Winter
10:37:04 Park -- and that's the reason why I asked legal department
10:37:07 to take a look at it, see what can be done.
10:37:10 I don't care whether you get it from a town of two people or
10:37:14 a town of 50,000.
10:37:16 If we can put something in place that this comes back to
10:37:19 this council that we can assist law enforcement in their
10:37:22 duties, in dealing with this issue, then we deserve to do
10:37:28 Law enforcement deserves to have an opportunity to not be
10:37:30 called out there late at night running these people away.
10:37:34 These people are coming in taxicabs.
10:37:37 They are being driven to these parties in taxicabs, and drop
10:37:41 Then they come back and pick them up.
10:37:44 And --
10:37:48 >>LISA MONTELIONE: It's Gasparilla, and if they were
10:37:53 driving --
10:37:56 >> We have the fact, okay?
10:38:00 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Not interrupting but --
10:38:02 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Let me say this.
10:38:03 Anytime that a council member is speaking, it is not about
10:38:05 that subject matter, period.
10:38:08 All right?
10:38:10 But we'll go from there.
10:38:12 Mr. Reddick had the floor.
10:38:14 >>FRANK REDDICK: Thank you, Mr. Chair.
10:38:16 And the major is here, also a representative of that area in
10:38:24 law enforcement.
10:38:25 And I hope he will speak to this issue.
10:38:27 Because this is going on, and at this point these people are
10:38:34 tired of it.
10:38:35 And these are senior citizens living in these areas and they
10:38:39 are just tired of it.
10:38:40 And I'm tired of having all these calls coming to my office.
10:38:43 I'm tired of all these e-mails floating into my office.
10:38:47 The reporter from a local newspaper went out and
10:38:49 investigated this one time, knocked on the doors, on TV.
10:38:59 But it's still going on.
10:39:01 And it's time that this come to a stop.
10:39:03 And we can put something in place to say, we need to address
10:39:07 this issue.
10:39:08 I don't care if it's going out to the homeowners.
10:39:11 I don't care if it's going after civil citations.
10:39:16 Something needs to be done.
10:39:18 And chair, I don't know if he would like to speak or not but
10:39:25 he's in West Tampa.
10:39:28 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: If you would like to speak now, please
10:39:29 come forward.
10:39:30 >> Good morning, council.
10:39:40 Captain Rocky Robbins with the Tampa Police Department.
10:39:44 I'm not a major yet.
10:39:45 But I appreciate the vote of confidence.
10:39:48 [ Laughter ]
10:39:51 Yes, we have come in contact with these type of house
10:39:55 parties, especially at 110 and 112 south Willow, large
10:40:01 a lot of times have to do with house parties.
10:40:06 If we see teenagers there, we'll call University of Tampa
10:40:14 What we do, we take names of all the students that are
10:40:17 there, and they take that information back to the dean,
10:40:23 Gina, and they will put down whatever restrictions they need
10:40:28 to do on those types of parties.
10:40:32 The last party was around April 20, April 25th.
10:40:38 We have responded out, issued trespassing warning but nobody
10:40:42 We try to use discretion on these types of parties.
10:40:45 We know these kids want to have a place to go.
10:40:49 When we were in college, we did some similar stuff.
10:40:54 But this community needs the peace and quiet in their
10:40:58 So when they complain we go in there and address the
10:41:02 I think this ordinance that we are working on will benefit
10:41:06 us in the long run.
10:41:08 It will put fines on the owners, the landlords, because like
10:41:13 I said, a landlord is 99% of the time, it's rented out or
10:41:19 what have you.
10:41:20 But it would put some type of monetary fine on the landlord,
10:41:23 which will curtail this problem.
10:41:26 And 110 and 112 south Willow Avenue, we haven't had any
10:41:30 problems since.
10:41:32 Councilman Frank Reddick put a letter out to the landlord
10:41:36 telling them they need to stop these types of parties.
10:41:39 I personally spoke to the landlord, also, and since then we
10:41:43 haven't had any more problems at 110 and 112 south Willow.
10:41:47 And that was the big problem there.
10:41:51 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you.
10:41:55 Mr. Suarez and Mr. Cohen in, that order.
10:41:56 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Ms. Kert, could I ask you a couple
10:42:00 Thank you, captain, soon to be major.
10:42:02 [ Laughter ]
10:42:03 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: News travels real fast around these
10:42:11 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Mrs. Kert, one of the things that both my
10:42:13 colleagues mentioned -- and this is specific.
10:42:15 You know, Winter Park is home of Rollins college.
10:42:18 My guess is that's part of the reason why this ordinance is
10:42:21 as tough as it is.
10:42:23 It's a pretty, you know, tough is the best way I can put it
10:42:31 without saying something else.
10:42:32 And there's 28 that you people in Winter Park.
10:42:35 But when cool zoo school is there who knows how many people
10:42:38 there are?
10:42:39 There's probably another 5 to 6,000 people.
10:42:41 How many of these house parties become part of it, I don't
10:42:44 In your research did you find anything that Rollins college
10:42:46 is doing in addition to what the city is doing similar to
10:42:49 what U.T. is doing with some of the house parties that were
10:42:52 in the North Hyde Park and West Tampa area?
10:42:55 >>REBECCA KERT: We did not.
10:42:57 My office spoke to the attorney for Winter Park and a
10:43:00 captain in the Winter Park police department.
10:43:02 >>MIKE SUAREZ: And I am in support of trying to do
10:43:05 something in terms of stopping these parties, because I do
10:43:08 think that they do get out of control very quickly.
10:43:12 You know, the pictures that Mr. Reddick and his staff put up
10:43:16 there were, you know, egregious examples of out-of-of
10:43:22 control parties in a neighborhood.
10:43:23 I don't think I have ever seen anything like that outside of
10:43:26 Bayshore, and Gasparilla.
10:43:29 So, again, it's one of those things.
10:43:32 Gasparilla, we have ceded the fact those homes along the
10:43:37 Bayshore become party houses, and I think we understand it.
10:43:40 People in that neighborhood understand it.
10:43:42 So that one day of the year, people who are living in that
10:43:46 neighborhood understand the process that they go through,
10:43:49 they move there, they know Gasparilla is there every year.
10:43:51 So it's a little bit of a different circumstance when we
10:43:54 talk about Gasparilla in relation to these house parties.
10:43:56 Now, if we change -- I notice the title of it is noise and
10:44:01 disturbance control.
10:44:03 Is there an associated noise ordinance specific to that,
10:44:09 this particular ordinance in Winter Park?
10:44:11 Or do you know?
10:44:12 >>REBECCA KERT: Well, we have what was codified, a wand
10:44:17 they did is they took their noise control ordinance, and
10:44:19 they added in that a disturbance so it's noise and
10:44:23 disturbance control.
10:44:24 >>MIKE SUAREZ: So if you are breaking more than one
10:44:27 ordinance whenever something like this happens, or could be?
10:44:31 >>REBECCA KERT: You could be, but I will say this,
10:44:33 unamplified human noise is not a violation of the noise code
10:44:37 in the city of Tampa.
10:44:37 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Right.
10:44:41 Winter Park.
10:44:42 For me, I think that may be a way that we can tie in some of
10:44:45 the things we do.
10:44:46 Because obviously the first part of this, if you were having
10:44:48 a very large party, is noise, it's going to be part of that.
10:44:53 The second part is -- and I think that some of the things
10:44:55 that are put on here, I think that an illegal house party
10:45:00 with three or more persons unrelated by blood or marriage in
10:45:03 the resident or adjacent neighborhood, I mean, my father's
10:45:07 birthday was two weeks ago.
10:45:08 I already broke that part of the ordinance.
10:45:10 A lot of people were at the party.
10:45:12 It wasn't a loud party.
10:45:13 At least I don't think it was.
10:45:15 So I think we may want to tone down that aspect of it.
10:45:19 And I think it's obvious because of the size of our city we
10:45:23 have a lot of people that have extended families that show
10:45:25 up, specifically, you know, the neighbors know each other
10:45:28 well enough that they can have these types of parties and I
10:45:31 know that my neighbor sometimes have parties and they use my
10:45:35 driveway for parking and other things and they come to us
10:45:37 before the party happens.
10:45:38 We cannot control what neighbors do among neighbors,
10:45:41 obviously, we have had this issue before.
10:45:43 But do you think that we can write an ordinance that is
10:45:47 somewhat similar but not as extensive in terms of that
10:45:51 particular section of the ordinance?
10:45:53 >>REBECCA KERT: I think we can.
10:45:54 But I would also call to your attention that in Winter Park
10:45:57 it's not just having a gathering but it's loud and
10:46:00 boisterous, it's the underage drinking and/or drug use by
10:46:04 minors that makes it an illegal house party.
10:46:08 So numbers were having minors at your party imbibing
10:46:13 illegally, your party would have been okay.
10:46:15 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Okay.
10:46:19 I think short of that, you know, the problem that we have,
10:46:22 because we are a much larger city, is that we probably don't
10:46:24 have the kind of resources to go to these very large parties
10:46:28 to find out -- I don't know how large Winter Park's police
10:46:31 department is, or whether or not they were doing undercover
10:46:34 stings on this type of activity.
10:46:36 Again, Winter Park's problems is primarily Rollins college,
10:46:43 only, would be my guess.
10:46:45 Winter Park is a beautiful part of the state, but it does
10:46:48 have a university there, probably the size of university of
10:46:51 Tampa but it's all there in that one area.
10:46:54 So it's a little different than what we have here.
10:46:56 I think that we can probably try and put an ordinance
10:47:00 together that gets a little bit narrower in terms of what
10:47:04 that is.
10:47:05 I'm not sure we necessarily have to have that for part of
10:47:07 the illegal house party portion of it.
10:47:09 But some of the things that tie into what we have already
10:47:12 passed, and then look at some of those other aspect that we
10:47:15 can go forward on.
10:47:16 I would suggest before we put the ordinance together -- it's
10:47:19 going to tab time anyway -- that we have a meeting with the
10:47:22 University of Tampa, and talk about how we can be more
10:47:27 proactive when people are moving in.
10:47:30 Those students be warned immediately as to the conduct.
10:47:35 I know that they talk about conduct all the time when it
10:47:37 comes to these university policies, but to be very
10:47:42 straightforward, maybe even have some seminars, other
10:47:45 things, maybe when they are doing freshman orientation, we
10:47:48 make sure that they know these things are not going to be
10:47:51 tolerated in the city and not tolerated by the university
10:47:54 when it comes to their own personal conduct.
10:47:56 And I think than even being a participate in some of these
10:48:00 parties should probably be looked at from the university
10:48:03 On our side, I think those landlords have to be warned, and
10:48:07 we have to be, I think, very proactive to make sure they
10:48:10 understand we are not going to tolerate this kind of
10:48:13 I agree with my colleague Mr. Reddick in terms of how tough
10:48:16 it would be to be in a neighborhood in which these kind of
10:48:19 out-of-control parties were being handled.
10:48:21 So Ms. Kert, I think will probably come up with some kind of
10:48:26 motion dealing with this -- we'll probably come up with some
10:48:29 kind of motion and go forward and figure out what the time
10:48:32 frame is going to be.
10:48:33 Thank you, Mr. Chair.
10:48:35 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
10:48:35 Mr. Cohen.
10:48:35 >>HARRY COHEN: Most of the sentiments that I was going to
10:48:39 talk about have already been covered.
10:48:43 I did want to just make one statement regarding Gasparilla.
10:48:47 And some of these other one-time events, once a year events
10:48:50 that take place in the city.
10:48:53 My office gets a lot of calls around the St. Patrick's Day
10:48:57 celebration for the Hyde Park Village.
10:48:59 And they happen once a year.
10:49:02 And oftentimes when we are dealing with, you know, everyone
10:49:05 recognizes that we are dealing with a once a year situation.
10:49:08 What makes these type of house parties, I think,
10:49:11 particularly egregious is that they are happening over and
10:49:15 over and over again in the same neighborhood, and that's
10:49:18 where people really become frustrated about our inability to
10:49:22 get things under control.
10:49:23 They can accept something that happens one time for a
10:49:26 limited duration, even if they are not thrilled with it.
10:49:29 But when it something that happens habitually and
10:49:32 constantly, it really raises the rub.
10:49:36 So I think any kind of ordinance, particularly one that is
10:49:39 specifically tailored to underage activity as a trigger
10:49:44 might be a great tool to help us bring some of these things
10:49:48 understood control.
10:49:49 And in that spirit, I would be supportive of the concept.
10:49:53 I would like to see the details in terms of what we are
10:49:58 going to bring back
10:49:59 The other statement, the business of small towns versus
10:50:04 large cities, I do think that when we are trying to compare
10:50:10 apples to apples, trying to find communities in close
10:50:14 proximity to universities and colleges, makes sense.
10:50:19 Recognizing there are differences in the size of the
10:50:22 populations, in the sizes, and maybe even in the
10:50:25 socioeconomic makeup of the population.
10:50:30 There's going to be differences.
10:50:31 But the problem of combating excessive underage drinking in
10:50:36 the vicinity of universities and colleges is not new.
10:50:40 And I'm sure that there are a lot of strategies that have
10:50:44 been employed by towns and cities all over the country that
10:50:47 have given the police, and by extension the neighborhood,
10:50:53 some extra tools to deal with the situation when things get
10:50:56 out of control.
10:50:57 So I haven't heard a motion for what measure might not be
10:51:00 coming back, but I'm assuming that there's going to be a
10:51:04 movement to ask for some sort of a draft ordinance.
10:51:06 And I'll wait to hear what the others have to say.
10:51:09 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Any other council member who has not
10:51:11 spoken care to speak at this time?
10:51:13 I am just going to say this.
10:51:15 Everything that was said here I understand.
10:51:18 And we are not trying to compare ourselves to somebody else
10:51:20 or somebody else with us.
10:51:21 But we are trying to address a problem.
10:51:23 A problem that certainly in this neighborhood or any
10:51:27 neighborhood in the City of Tampa, when you have this amount
10:51:31 of individuals that are, from what I hear, minors, and are
10:51:37 drinking and so forth and so on, I believe it's been
10:51:40 addressed at some point.
10:51:42 I believe Mr. Reddick needs a little credit.
10:51:44 I believe other council members have addressed this,
10:51:47 understand that the owner has been notified.
10:51:51 Maybe prior to this the owner was never notified.
10:51:53 Maybe the owners knew.
10:51:56 Then again maybe the owner of that plot did not know.
10:52:04 Sixty days or so and didn't have any problems.
10:52:07 That's not to mean there won't be a problem at 110 and 112
10:52:12 south Willow.
10:52:12 The owner has been addressed.
10:52:13 Now my question Mace is what happens now if there's another
10:52:18 That owner has been notified.
10:52:19 Is there any legal remedies understood current law
10:52:23 addressing the underage drinking at that property,
10:52:26 addressing the problem that they created for the
10:52:29 neighborhood, and I would like that explained.
10:52:31 >>REBECCA KERT: Legal department.
10:52:32 We currently don't have any regulations on our books
10:52:35 regarding this.
10:52:37 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Okay.
10:52:38 Then I yield to Mr. Reddick.
10:52:39 >>FRANK REDDICK: Thank you, Mr. Chair, and just to follow
10:52:44 up, and I will make a motion to follow up with Mr. Suarez,
10:52:47 and that is the university has been working very, very
10:52:50 diligently to try to address this problem.
10:52:52 They put a lot of measures into place.
10:52:54 As a matter of fact, they are having a panel discussion, and
10:52:57 I'm a member of that panel, to address a lot of the student
10:53:03 population, and they are addressing this, reaching out to
10:53:06 the community, meeting with be the neighborhood
10:53:08 associations, and they are trying to see how to resolve
10:53:13 So saying that, Mr. Chair, I am going to make a motion that
10:53:16 the legal department report back to this council 60 days
10:53:20 with a draft ordinance, that they feel is legally doable to
10:53:23 meet some of the concerns that were raised here today
10:53:28 pertaining to underage drinking, and the parties going on
10:53:35 there, rental dwellings.
10:53:39 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I understand that.
10:53:40 And during that period of time till that draft ordinance
10:53:42 comes back, to add or delete from that ordinance at that
10:53:45 I have a motion by Mr. Reddick.
10:53:47 Second by Mr. Suarez.
10:53:48 >>HARRY COHEN: How do you feel about July 31st?
10:53:53 >> The day after July 30 this?
10:53:59 July 31 under staff.
10:54:03 And I want to thank the University of Tampa.
10:54:06 As you know, they are very well represented every time
10:54:11 there's alcohol and areas around the University of Tampa.
10:54:14 So they are aware of it.
10:54:15 They try to work it out.
10:54:17 And all in favor of that motion please signify by saying
10:54:20 Opposed nay.
10:54:21 Ayes have it unanimously.
10:54:23 Thank you very much.
10:54:23 I appreciate it.
10:54:24 We go -- Mrs. Mulhern?
10:54:28 >>MARY MULHERN: I wanted to make a motion or a suggestion
10:54:33 if council is willing to, because I just realized since the
10:54:39 meeting started, or I would have made the motion at the
10:54:41 beginning of the meeting.
10:54:42 Item number 9, some of the discussion relates to the
10:54:49 alcoholic beverage, special use permits, and that is already
10:54:56 on the workshop agenda for June 19th.
10:54:59 So I'm wondering if maybe we could continue that, as well as
10:55:05 number 10 to June 19th.
10:55:08 We probably need to make another agenda item for number 10,
10:55:14 because we did receive memo just last night.
10:55:20 I received it.
10:55:23 But it was yesterday with regard to that from Ms. Coyle.
10:55:28 So maybe we could continue both of those if staff and
10:55:33 council is willing to do the workshop on June 19th.
10:55:38 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Okay.
10:55:39 Let me hold that motion until I get to those two items, if
10:55:44 there is any problem with continuing it.
10:55:46 That way we are covered on the agenda procedures.
10:55:48 So I appreciate it.
10:55:49 And I agree with your motion, if it's there.
10:55:55 We are going to solve this problem or that problem at that
10:55:58 So I appreciate it very much, Mrs. Mulhern.
10:56:00 We'll hold that until we get to 9 and 107 and bring it up to
10:56:03 the public.
10:56:04 Item number 6.
10:56:04 >> Dennis Rogero, chief of staff.
10:56:13 Thanks for having me here today.
10:56:15 Thanks for allowing us the time to bring to you on this item
10:56:18 before today.
10:56:19 If I could just highlight.
10:56:26 You have an extensive study in front of you that we have
10:56:28 gone over.
10:56:28 I don't imagine this will be the last time we go over it.
10:56:31 An extensive number of options.
10:56:34 An extensive number of crises.
10:56:37 You know, as you probably read in the media and heard from
10:56:40 our public affairs director, our primary goal is to -- two
10:56:44 primary goals are to maintain the character of the Cuscaden
10:56:48 pool, and to reasonably guarantee that the space will be an
10:56:52 active space no matter what we do with it in the future.
10:56:55 The study we want to share with you was done by a consultant
10:57:00 associated with the Williams park pool in conjunction with
10:57:02 the preservation architect, a good study.
10:57:06 It's not the end of the discussion, of course, nor do I
10:57:09 imagine is it the end of the options.
10:57:11 But there are a number of options again with the number of
10:57:14 line items associated with the costs.
10:57:20 About funding, as you are aware, you were briefed on some of
10:57:25 the challenges we face not only in fiscal you're 15 -- I
10:57:28 think we are all aware of that -- but some of the challenges
10:57:31 we face in the current fiscal year.
10:57:33 Just to remained you we are anticipating in the budget to
10:57:36 use about $7 or $8 million of fund balance.
10:57:39 We don't like to do that.
10:57:40 We may run the risk of using an additional million dollars
10:57:44 in fund balance just in the current fiscal year, separate
10:57:48 and apart from the fiscal year '15 budget we are working on
10:57:53 As I said before, I don't want to come with you -- to you
10:58:00 but things are getting better overall.
10:58:02 You have read reports I'm sure about the anticipated taxable
10:58:06 increases for Hillsborough County.
10:58:07 But the reality is, we are coming off about a half decade of
10:58:12 economic downturn, and with deferred expenses and the needs
10:58:17 in one fiscal year.
10:58:19 I know you all know that but I think it bears saying.
10:58:22 A word about the demolition, the neglect.
10:58:27 Our consultant, our engineers have looked at it.
10:58:29 We are convinced that it's stabilized.
10:58:34 As Mr. Vaughan has said it's not the prettiest thing, but
10:58:38 structurally it's as deteriorated as it's going to get for
10:58:41 the next couple, two, three years.
10:58:44 So just so you know, we are in no danger of further
10:58:50 exacerbated for the next couple of years.
10:58:52 As you know, I can share with you, we do not anticipate
10:58:55 recommending any funding for this project in the fiscal year
10:59:01 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you.
10:59:01 Mrs. Mulhern?
10:59:02 >>MARY MULHERN: I won't be here for next year's budget, so
10:59:09 I would like to see us find the money in this year's budget.
10:59:15 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Well, you will be here.
10:59:16 Maybe not sitting here but hopefully you will be here.
10:59:20 >>MARY MULHERN: I won't be voting on the budget.
10:59:21 Probably not.
10:59:22 Who knows?
10:59:23 But I don't anticipate it.
10:59:26 So when I look at these options, really what we have been
10:59:33 hearing from the neighborhood and the public for years,
10:59:38 since the last council, was that they wanted the pool
10:59:42 And I heard today from one of the neighbors, I didn't
10:59:44 realize this was a WPA project, so it has more historic
10:59:49 value at the pool than I realized.
10:59:53 So I would like us to find the money to renovate the
10:59:56 existing facility, which is the lowest number, and all these
11:00:02 options from the consultants, $1.5 million, and, you know,
11:00:08 if there's support from other council members, I would like
11:00:11 to hear it.
11:00:16 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I studied these documents that were left to
11:00:21 us on that study.
11:00:23 Are you going to be presenting this to us on the overhead or
11:00:32 Well, not me, at this point, I think that first of all, we
11:00:40 do not have enough competition pools.
11:00:44 Competition pools.
11:00:45 Anybody that's lived in a competition pool is probably up
11:00:49 for very good possibilities of a scholarship.
11:00:53 That is very important to our community.
11:00:57 And over here at the Housing Authority pool facility 11,
11:01:04 it's not open to the public?
11:01:05 >> It's my understanding it is not closed.
11:01:08 They are not monitored.
11:01:09 I wouldn't same they are necessarily invited for the public
11:01:11 but they are not monitored than.
11:01:15 We have that on that map because from our perspective it
11:01:18 mitigates that ability to pull users into the pool because
11:01:22 if you live in one of those areas and have a pool at your
11:01:25 disposal you are unlikely to come to the city pool.
11:01:29 It impacts our attendance numbers.
11:01:34 >>YVONNE CAPIN: The housing -- I never heard of anyone take
11:01:38 their child to the Housing Authority to swim.
11:01:44 I don't know.
11:01:44 I would like to see the number of public that goes to swim
11:01:49 I think that what I heard yesterday was that the mayor is
11:01:53 not ready for the million dollars, but I didn't hear a plan,
11:01:57 I didn't hear -- okay, here you go.
11:02:01 This is not -- so if it's up to us to decide which plan you
11:02:08 want, then my vote is for 3, $10 million, and it's an
11:02:13 investment that is huge for this city.
11:02:16 Can you imagine the people coming from all over the city for
11:02:19 competition swimming?
11:02:21 And then the building before that was the boys and girls
11:02:25 club, we own that, correct?
11:02:27 >> I believe a church is currently --
11:02:33 >>YVONNE CAPIN: And it's been leased to a church?
11:02:36 How long is that lease?
11:02:37 >> I don't know off the top of my head.
11:02:39 We can find that out for you.
11:02:42 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Okay.
11:02:42 I know the church -- my brother-in-law is a pastor there.
11:02:49 Anyway, it's putting Band-Aids for the million -- I hate to
11:02:59 see it crumble to the ground.
11:03:01 And I was told yesterday that pretty much what is there in
11:03:06 three years is probably not going to get p worse because
11:03:12 what is this has been there about two or three years, and
11:03:14 they did not notice.
11:03:15 Is that what I understood yesterday?
11:03:18 >> Yes, ma'am.
11:03:19 The time frames are just that.
11:03:20 And that's the good news.
11:03:21 It's not going to get any worse.
11:03:25 >>YVONNE CAPIN: The plan should be, we should look so far
11:03:27 into the future.
11:03:34 You are looking at the aerial of this park, and it has been
11:03:42 pretty much neglected as far as the city and the
11:03:48 administration, it's mind boggling that we cannot go beyond
11:04:00 next year.
11:04:02 That we cannot see into the future.
11:04:04 We have how many people moving into this city?
11:04:07 How many people moving into this district?
11:04:08 We know those numbers.
11:04:11 We know them very well.
11:04:17 So we need to really look into the future and how we want to
11:04:23 use this very valuable park, and pool.
11:04:30 And I think that looking at it -- and it sound $10 million
11:04:38 is a lot.
11:04:39 I have seen a lot of money in the city go to a lot of things
11:04:42 that we could do better.
11:04:46 So I would like to see a plan where this is our goal.
11:04:51 Our goal is to get as many kids to swim competitive, to
11:04:55 learn to swim, did you see the numbers on how many people
11:04:59 don't know how to swim?
11:05:00 We don't have -- if they are not at our pools, it's because
11:05:05 we are not doing a good job getting the word out there, and
11:05:08 being able to teach our kids to swim.
11:05:11 That's part of public safety.
11:05:13 We are surrounded by water.
11:05:19 So that's what I have to say.
11:05:20 I vote for scheme 3.
11:05:23 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
11:05:24 Mr. Reddick and Mr. Suarez.
11:05:25 >>FRANK REDDICK: Thank you, Mr. Chair.
11:05:29 I was surprised at the numbers that I heard from one of the
11:05:32 speakers this morning, that spoke about this pool, and 4,000
11:05:39 That participate at this pool.
11:05:44 And with the program.
11:05:45 What continued to disturb me about this situation is that
11:05:49 the city has not taken no responsibility for putting this
11:05:52 pool in the position it's in today.
11:06:02 It's the city's failure that caused the pool to be in the
11:06:04 shape it's in today, the city administration, and the city
11:06:07 has not taken no responsibility of what took place, where
11:06:13 you spent over $2.5 million to try to correct the problem
11:06:17 and never got corrected.
11:06:19 But nobody want to take the blame.
11:06:23 But I keep hearing these numbers about 10, $15 million
11:06:30 Let me ask you something.
11:06:32 You have got your report from the property appraiser's
11:06:35 >> Yes, sir.
11:06:36 >>FRANK REDDICK: You have gotten that report.
11:06:38 What are they showing.
11:06:39 >> is taxable properties city-wide is just about 5%
11:06:42 anticipated increase, which off the top of my head, 7 or $8
11:06:51 not as close to that.
11:06:55 >>FRANK REDDICK: Now anywhere from 7 to 8 to $10 million
11:07:04 S.that what you are saying?
11:07:05 >> I'm sorry, say again?
11:07:07 >> So the deficit could be from 7, 8, $10 million projected
11:07:12 >> Yes.
11:07:14 >>FRANK REDDICK: As you stated to me yesterday, it could be
11:07:16 from 10 to 15.
11:07:17 And now we have 7, 8, 9, 10.
11:07:22 >> And I know you know that but I want to reiterate for the
11:07:25 viewing public it continues to be pretty fluid, taxable
11:07:29 properties are not the sole component as we plan ahead.
11:07:34 >>FRANK REDDICK: As someone stated it's been going over for
11:07:39 five years now that this pool has been closed, and I
11:07:42 understand about the deficit.
11:07:44 But I also understand that those families and those kids who
11:07:49 live on 15th street, 17th Avenue, Columbus drive,
11:07:53 21st Avenue, all the surrounding community, their burden
11:08:10 of taking on the responsibility and the burden of being
11:08:13 denied a city service at a city facility within the City of
11:08:22 I mean, it seems to me the city would be willing to
11:08:25 compromise, even if they had put a splash pad out there in
11:08:33 that area.
11:08:36 Give these types some type of hope.
11:08:39 They have been denied for five years.
11:08:41 Now they are going to be in the 2015 budget.
11:08:45 There's in a guarantee they will be in the 2015 budget, no
11:08:49 guarantee they'll be in the 2016 budget.
11:08:51 So I'm pretty sure if the city is sincere about treating
11:09:01 this part of town the same as you treat other parts of town,
11:09:07 there's room to find even 1.5 million to do what needs to be
11:09:13 done for that pool.
11:09:19 We can't have one segment of the city continue to reap all
11:09:24 the benefits and then hear excuses for another segment of
11:09:32 this community that fund are not available.
11:09:37 It's just not fair.
11:09:39 And I understand about the deficit.
11:09:42 But if you are talking about 4,000 kids for the fifth year
11:09:46 in a row denied an opportunity and you can't even put a
11:09:51 splash pad for these kid to wade in that water to cool off,
11:09:54 and I would comment with my colleagues, Mrs. Capin stated,
11:10:02 unless you live in the Tampa Housing Authority you cannot go
11:10:05 on that property and swim in that pool.
11:10:09 When you list the YMCA, you have to have a membership and
11:10:13 you have to pay for the YMCA and swim.
11:10:16 It costs money.
11:10:19 It even costs money to go to a city-owned pool.
11:10:22 You have to have one of the rec cards.
11:10:24 Just top go to the city pool to swim.
11:10:26 So you list those.
11:10:32 If you get up and I am going to it city pool and jump in
11:10:36 that pool, you can't do that.
11:10:37 You can't go unless you are a resident of Tampa Housing
11:10:40 You can't go in the YMCA unless you are a member of the
11:10:44 So listing those areas and those properties is irrelevant.
11:10:56 But my message to the administration, find 1.5 million if
11:11:01 that's what it's going to take.
11:11:08 But I cannot support sitting here and presenting me a budget
11:11:14 saying that you are going to deny these kids another
11:11:21 I won't support it.
11:11:23 And I won't support the budget that's going to deny these
11:11:27 kids that opportunity.
11:11:28 Because they deserve the same equal opportunity just like
11:11:32 any other people in any segment of the community.
11:11:35 And the excuse of the deficit, last year I saw a lot of
11:11:44 things got done, and so the same with this year.
11:11:53 But this is the last thing I am going to say, Mr. Chair.
11:11:56 What disturbs me is to sit down on this council, and we
11:11:59 continue and continue it because you didn't have the
11:12:01 information, and wish you could have given us this report
11:12:07 seven months ago, but you come today, requesting a
11:12:12 continuance on June 5th to tell us -- and I knew it was
11:12:18 going to go in this direction -- that you were going to use
11:12:20 the deficit as your excuse for not wanting a new pool.
11:12:24 And I knew that.
11:12:25 But you could have told us this six months ago.
11:12:30 So I'm disappointed, and now we are in this budget cycle and
11:12:37 now you are playing hokey pokey again because you are saying
11:12:41 because we have got a budget deficit, ain't going to put no
11:12:46 funding, you have in a funding here.
11:12:49 All right.
11:12:51 Then I will keep that in mind when it comes time to vote for
11:12:54 the budget.
11:12:56 Mr. Chair.
11:12:58 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you, Mr. Reddick.
11:12:59 Mr. Suarez and then Mrs. Mulhern.
11:13:00 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Mr. Rogero, I asked some questions yesterday
11:13:06 when we met privately concerning the ongoing expenses for
11:13:10 the pool, if it were open.
11:13:11 Let's say it was open today.
11:13:13 I know we probably have some numbers.
11:13:14 I know you didn't yesterday.
11:13:16 Did you ever get those numbers to Mr. Bayor are "in else?
11:13:24 >> Greg Bayor, parks and recreation director.
11:13:31 Cuscaden for three months at a cost of $118,000 to operate
11:13:34 it, a year-round operation, $455,000.
11:13:37 >> How much? 455?
11:13:42 455,000 for a year, year round, and that's to maintain the
11:13:46 pool, to clean the pool, that's to have life yards on duty,
11:13:50 that's to have all the amenities concerning running that
11:13:55 pool, correct?
11:13:57 >> That's correct.
11:13:59 >>MIKE SUAREZ: So the operating would be about 455 per
11:14:02 year. Okay.
11:14:03 And if we did it seasonally, it's 118,000?
11:14:06 >> Correct.
11:14:07 >> That's for three months.
11:14:09 Now, the question I have -- and thank you for that, Mr.
11:14:13 I know when I asked you yesterday, we were trying to figure
11:14:15 out, when you have all of these different suggestions, and I
11:14:21 put them as suggestions.
11:14:22 I know there's a lot of different suggestions in here.
11:14:24 We were talking about -- Mrs. Capin mentioned, you know, a
11:14:28 competition pool.
11:14:29 I don't think anything would make Mayor Buckhorn happier
11:14:34 touch a competition pool.
11:14:35 Both his daughters are probably going to be Olympic athletes
11:14:38 in the swimming pool.
11:14:39 Maybe that's the reason he didn't suggest it before.
11:14:41 Anyway, when you are looking at the cost, the capital cost
11:14:46 of refurbishing the pool, about 1.5 million, about three
11:14:51 years ago, we had an aquatics budget, I think it was three
11:14:54 years ago, we had an aquatic budget that looked at about a
11:14:57 half million dollars per year over a five year period, if I
11:15:00 am correct.
11:15:01 Is that correct?
11:15:06 >>GREG BAYOR: Approximately correct.
11:15:08 >> Since with we had that in place in capital dollars
11:15:11 towards pool, I know we have some of those towards parks
11:15:15 pool. Is there an ability to accelerate some dollars to
11:15:18 either do the refurbishment of the pool at the coast that we
11:15:22 have now, with I is 1.5, starting the construction of it
11:15:25 under this budget year, or to do the scenario 1, which is a
11:15:31 little bit cheaper -- and when I say a little cheaper, about
11:15:34 a half million dollars cheaper to do it in terms of
11:15:36 construction costs, is there a way that we can move some
11:15:40 dollars within our aquatics budget to provide that type of
11:15:44 >>GREG BAYOR: At this point all I can say we can go back
11:15:50 and look at that, of course, moving funding around.
11:15:53 But I would have to get with the revenue and finance
11:15:55 department to see what they are already projecting in their
11:15:57 efforts to bring you a balanced budget in light of next
11:16:02 year's anticipated shortfall.
11:16:04 >>MIKE SUAREZ: And the reason I'm asking that, if we put
11:16:10 these splash pad scenarios together, the costs of running
11:16:15 the pool will go away meaning splash pad doesn't have to
11:16:18 have a lifeguard, doesn't have to have the same kind of
11:16:20 maintenance that a pool the size of Cuscaden would be in
11:16:23 order to operate.
11:16:25 You know, there's a lot more to a pool than just filling it
11:16:29 with water and so many aspect of it.
11:16:31 And we found out that in 2005 after it was built, that so
11:16:34 many other problems associated with it -- and, you know, I
11:16:37 don't want to revisit that, because, you know, and when I
11:16:41 said in the newspaper that it had been screwed up, I didn't
11:16:43 mean this council and I didn't mean anybody that cities on
11:16:46 this council now, because you were elected at a time when
11:16:48 the pool was running, and there didn't seem to be any
11:16:52 Found out the pool had problems in 2009.
11:16:54 So --
11:16:56 >> And I don't mean to cut you off but, Greg, correct me if
11:17:01 I am wrong, but the maintenance costs that he shared with
11:17:03 you are exclusive of any extraordinary repairs like you
11:17:07 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Right.
11:17:09 Operating from construction.
11:17:10 I mean, to operate year round is 455 to. Operate
11:17:13 seasonally, say summer, is 118.
11:17:16 So I separate the two numbers also because I know there's
11:17:19 different buckets of dollars that we get that from.
11:17:22 But in terms of our aquatics budget -- and this was a big
11:17:25 issue back in 2012, or 2011-12, when we were first here, and
11:17:33 it became a problem specifically for Williams park pool.
11:17:37 Cuscaden was in discussion at that time.
11:17:39 And I don't think that it was reported well enough from our
11:17:44 side or from the administration side to say that it
11:17:47 wasn't -- you know, Williams park pool wasn't taking up that
11:17:51 whole budget.
11:17:52 There's still money in that budget for aquatics.
11:17:54 And I want to find out what we can do on our capital side
11:17:57 and CIP side to maybe move some dollars to start the
11:18:00 renovation of Williams park -- excuse me, Cuscaden park,
11:18:04 whether it's towards the splash pad option, the option of
11:18:09 refurbishing the pool altogether, or even the suggestion of
11:18:13 Mrs. Capin.
11:18:14 That's a decision we are going to have to make as to be
11:18:16 which direction we are going to go.
11:18:17 But we need to know what those dollars are like.
11:18:20 Because here is the thing.
11:18:21 If we are taking money out of our CIP. The CIP is already
11:18:25 there, we have already planned for it. If there's a
11:18:27 reduction in the CIP we need to know that upfront top
11:18:34 prepare whether or not we can open up Cuscaden.
11:18:36 The opening of Cuscaden and the decision to make on the
11:18:39 operating side is another discussion that's going to have to
11:18:41 be done separate from the capital costs.
11:18:43 And until we know those numbers -- and I know that we are
11:18:46 waiting for a true-up on July 1st from the county, and
11:18:51 they are going to figure out if we are 5% additional dollars
11:18:54 we are getting from property taxes and what that's going to
11:18:57 mean for our entire budget.
11:18:58 So for me I think that we need to really drill down, look at
11:19:02 that CIP budget, and in addition to look at CIT dollars,
11:19:07 and, you know, we were talking about this yesterday, the
11:19:10 difference between CIT projects and our other CIP, we can
11:19:14 probably learn from that if there's any dollars available.
11:19:19 In addition to that and all that, we are going to look at if
11:19:22 we do make a decision to put money into the pool, regardless
11:19:26 of the scheme, what effect is it going to have on other
11:19:29 capital projects that we have already put in our CIP and
11:19:32 what we are going to have to cut.
11:19:34 That's a decision that council has to make.
11:19:37 And, again, I know that the administration has got their
11:19:40 wish list in terms of what they are going to do.
11:19:42 We have to approve the budget.
11:19:43 And I think we all know that and we understand the
11:19:46 responsibility that we have.
11:19:46 So if we have a project that we really want, if Cuscaden
11:19:50 pool, a park pool, is the project we really want, then we
11:19:53 are going to figure out where that pain is going to come
11:19:56 from, because we will be ripping up the Band-Aid, but
11:19:59 there's still going to be a scab there.
11:20:01 So we have to know where those dollars are going to come
11:20:04 from, because there may be a project that's going to be
11:20:06 affected because we decided to go forward with Cuscaden park
11:20:10 So I would appreciate, and I will make a motion to this
11:20:13 effect, a report back to us on those scenarios, A, the
11:20:19 amounts of money in our CIP that can be moved to go forward
11:20:24 with Cuscaden park, let's say scheme 1.
11:20:28 Because that's the easiest one, is the lowest hanging fruit
11:20:32 a million dollars.
11:20:33 >> Just a point of clarification.
11:20:35 Scheme one is renovating the existing facility --
11:20:38 >> Okay, never mind.
11:20:40 >> It's --
11:20:46 >>MIKE SUAREZ: The splash pad option without refurbishing
11:20:49 the building that is Cuscaden park itself.
11:20:54 Part B to that -- the second part of it is, what dollars are
11:21:05 available in our CIT, because we do have CIT dollars that
11:21:11 maybe we can use to go forward on Cuscaden park.
11:21:17 And the last part of the project is, if there are dollars,
11:21:21 what those dollars are, and what effect it will have on
11:21:24 other capital projects in the city if we go forward with
11:21:29 Cuscaden park.
11:21:31 So, clerk, I hope you have that clear.
11:21:34 Thank you.
11:21:35 Thank you for the second, Mr. Reddick.
11:21:37 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: We have a motion by Mr. Suarez at this
11:21:38 time, second by Mr. Reddick.
11:21:40 I will hold that motion till we finish the discussion.
11:21:45 Mrs. Mulhern and Mrs. Capin in that order.
11:21:47 >>MARY MULHERN: Thank you.
11:21:53 I would still like to -- I just want to reiterate the
11:21:57 importance of us preserving the architectural history of the
11:22:03 So I don't want to see us -- the cost of this splash pad,
11:22:10 but maybe also ask you to add to your motion, we already
11:22:13 know what the cost of the renovation of the pool.
11:22:18 I thought of that as the intent, and I think it would be
11:22:26 great for us to have an Olympic pool, and maybe this is a
11:22:31 good place, Olympic size pool.
11:22:33 Maybe this is a good place.
11:22:34 Although those are currently soccer field.
11:22:37 I don't know if they are used as soccer field at this point.
11:22:40 But renovating the historic architectural structure and
11:22:44 opening the pool again, which the community wants would
11:22:46 prohibit us from using that in the future budget site for an
11:22:53 Olympic pool.
11:22:54 So that's what I would like to see and that's what I would
11:22:58 like to hopefully get support in our budget, and Councilman
11:23:07 Suarez has asked for specific fund balance estimates,
11:23:16 revenue estimates, we'll have an opportunity to look at the
11:23:21 budget and come up with other places we might find the
11:23:27 But I think that we have been asking for this for years, and
11:23:30 would like to see the administration work with the citizens
11:23:36 and council on this, and get something started in this
11:23:38 year's budget.
11:23:40 And I would also like to say that, you know, when we talk
11:23:44 about all these scenarios, I don't know, maybe you could
11:23:47 tell me this, our Mr. Bayor can, if these were developed in
11:23:54 consultation with the neighborhood, or if they just came
11:23:59 from the engineers, the architects --
11:24:01 >> Not to my knowledge.
11:24:03 >>MARY MULHERN: So I think the neighborhood should have
11:24:04 input on this going forward.
11:24:06 >> As an aside to that to give you the administration's
11:24:14 perspective and it mirrors somewhat the study we have given
11:24:17 you -- and thank you, Mr. Suarez, for kind of confining that
11:24:20 motion, because it's going to be easier with the finance
11:24:26 department to bring you option ifs you narrow what you are
11:24:28 looking for.
11:24:29 In other words, the flexibility of $1 million versus the
11:24:32 flexibility of $10 million is a big swap and from our
11:24:38 perspective, I think the signal we have gotten is the area
11:24:42 wants a wider amenity, and you see the you array of water
11:24:46 amenities that are available from splash bads pads to
11:24:50 competition Olympic size pools.
11:24:54 >>MARY MULHERN: You did show us that array.
11:24:56 I'm saying what I think the neighborhood wants is the pool
11:24:59 back, and if you can add a splash pad, great.
11:25:02 But they used to have a pool that kids could swim in.
11:25:05 You can't learn to swim in a splash pad.
11:25:08 And I don't think we are going to -- maybe we could start
11:25:14 looking how we are going to fund an Olympic pool.
11:25:19 But what the neighbors have been asking for, what I have
11:25:23 been hearing, is they want that pool reopened.
11:25:30 If there were 4,000 kids using it before, I think there's a
11:25:34 need for it.
11:25:36 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have in this order Ms. Capin, Mr.
11:25:40 Cohen, Mrs. Montelione.
11:25:44 All right.
11:25:45 She yield to Mr. Cohen and Mrs. Montelione at this time.
11:25:48 >>HARRY COHEN: Some very thoughtful comments so far.
11:25:58 I'm struck by a couple things, listening to this
11:26:03 The first is to councilwoman Mulhern's point about the
11:26:08 historic nature of the pool.
11:26:09 There is in a question that this structure is an asset to
11:26:12 the city, and it is something that we absolutely have an
11:26:16 obligation to preserve, and to ultimately reopen, or
11:26:25 That said, I was relieved during the conversation that I
11:26:30 have with staff yesterday to be informed that it does not
11:26:37 appear at the moment that the historical nature of the
11:26:41 structure is in jeopardy from continued deterioration, at
11:26:46 least not in the immediate term.
11:26:50 I'm hearing a lot of different views on what ought to be
11:26:55 done on this property.
11:26:57 There was one proposal for a full-fledged renovation and
11:27:01 aquatic center with a competitive site for $10 million.
11:27:05 There's the bare minimum for 1.5.
11:27:08 And there's a lot of different things in between.
11:27:10 And as we pointed out, the neighborhood hasn't even been
11:27:13 consulted yet about these particular plans and what they
11:27:17 might prefer.
11:27:21 So it seems to me that before we figure out where we are
11:27:24 going to get the money, we ought to figure out what it is we
11:27:26 are attempting to do, because there is no question that if
11:27:29 everyone wants to move forward with the $10 million plan,
11:27:33 it's never going to come out of one year's budget in order
11:27:36 to do something that expensive.
11:27:42 With that said, I found our budget director's presentation
11:27:47 last week or the week before to be extremely sobering, to be
11:27:52 much more pessimistic than what I was expecting in terms of
11:27:57 the use of an additional million dollars out of the reserve
11:28:01 just to cover this year's budget, and I just want to say,
11:28:06 with regard to the entire city, if we decide that we want to
11:28:10 move forward with some sort of plan for Cuscaden, the money
11:28:13 is going to have to come from somewhere.
11:28:15 And when I hear that our reserve fund might have to be
11:28:25 tapped into again for another year, because our property tax
11:28:30 revenues still aren't where they need to be in order for us
11:28:34 to balance our budget, I'm very, very concerned about that.
11:28:38 And, you know, I am more than happy to work with my
11:28:44 colleagues here to try to find a solution to the pool.
11:28:50 But we are going to have to find a place to take this money
11:28:52 We cannot just throw it into in and say we are going to
11:28:58 borrow it and pay for it tomorrow.
11:29:00 We have got to find the savings.
11:29:01 If we want to fund it we are going to have top go into the
11:29:04 budget and find the money to actually do it.
11:29:07 And I'm happy to engage in that exercise.
11:29:11 And I think we should engage in that exercise.
11:29:14 But the really tough decision that we are going to have to
11:29:17 make this year are what ultimately are we going to
11:29:21 I love pools.
11:29:22 I would love to see this thing be open this summer.
11:29:25 But I can also tell you we have got major stormwater
11:29:27 problems that we are going to talk about in agenda item
11:29:30 number 8.
11:29:30 And, you know, we have been putting off -- you said this to
11:29:35 me yourself when we were in our meeting yesterday, and I
11:29:38 know it's true, as wave gone through these austerity years,
11:29:42 we have been putting off different things that we have torn
11:29:45 We have some streets that flood so badly that cars can get
11:29:49 swept right off the road.
11:29:50 And we are just going to have to be very careful about
11:29:52 balancing all these competing interests.
11:29:54 That said, the first thing we have to do is figure out which
11:29:58 of the options we actually want to pursue on Cuscaden pool.
11:30:03 Because without a definitive decision about what it is we
11:30:06 want to fund, there's no way we can step back and figure out
11:30:08 where we are going to get the money.
11:30:10 I say that because particularly if you go with one of the
11:30:13 higher priced options, there may be ways of doing a piece of
11:30:16 it this year and a piece of it next year and a piece of it
11:30:20 Actually if you go with one of the lower priced options,
11:30:23 that may be the thing that requires it all to be done in
11:30:26 one fell swoop, so I'm in favor of bringing it back with a
11:30:35 staff report as an update but I think there's going to have
11:30:37 to be some very serious engagement with the neighborhood
11:30:41 relatively quickly in order to figure out exactly what it is
11:30:43 that we are trying to fund and when, and then we are going
11:30:46 to have to make the tough call about where that money is
11:30:49 going to come from.
11:30:53 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Are you finished?
11:30:57 Thank you very much.
11:30:58 Even I got moved there a little bit.
11:31:02 All right.
11:31:03 I have got Mrs. Montelione, then Mrs. Capin in that order.
11:31:07 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Ditto what he said.
11:31:11 And he always puts things in perspective.
11:31:14 So I appreciate Mr. Cohen for that very thoughtful response
11:31:18 about the budget because I feel the same way.
11:31:20 We have a lot of things that we have been putting off.
11:31:22 But I'm not going to repeat what Mr. Cohen said.
11:31:26 There's one question that something that came to mind just
11:31:29 this morning that I didn't talk to you about in my briefing,
11:31:33 and maybe you can find out and come back.
11:31:35 But Hillsborough Community College is entertaining
11:31:42 establishing a youth sports complex on a portion of their
11:31:52 It included the Westshore Alliance and the Hillsborough
11:31:54 County hotel and motel association.
11:31:57 I believe the Tampa Sports Authority, it says in the article
11:32:03 that ran in the Tribune, this was February 28th, I
11:32:06 believe, Michael Sasser's article, said that Tampa Sports
11:32:12 Authority which operates Raymond James stadium would likely
11:32:15 run the complex.
11:32:17 So if we put in an Olympic size pool, and they put in an
11:32:21 Olympic size pool, I think there might be some -- it might
11:32:28 behoove us to find out what their plans are so we don't have
11:32:31 that type of competition after we, you know, go forward and
11:32:35 possibly put that much money into our plans.
11:32:37 >> We'll research it.
11:32:42 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Mrs. Capin.
11:32:43 And then I am going to say just a couple of things.
11:32:47 >>YVONNE CAPIN: (off microphone) I also appreciate the fact
11:32:58 that Councilman Reddick brought up the splash pad, and
11:33:03 splash pads are a great deal of fun for children.
11:33:08 They are huge fun.
11:33:09 But I think that we have to look at it, and also what
11:33:13 Councilman E -- well, everyone actually put in, and, yes, to
11:33:18 look and see what HCC is doing, they are on Dale Mabry
11:33:25 But what we are looking at, we are looking at an up and
11:33:32 coming but depressed area, and the splash pad is probably
11:33:39 the least expensive way, and we have about two or three
11:33:42 years that the structure itself can hold the integrity.
11:33:47 So in those two or three years, our goal should be for one
11:33:54 of these very big projects, because this would do, for that
11:33:58 neighborhood -- and this pool is not only that
11:34:00 neighborhood's pool.
11:34:01 This pool belongs to the City of Tampa.
11:34:03 It belongs to everyone in this city.
11:34:06 To come swim at it there.
11:34:09 So the goal is -- yes, we can have this now, or try to have
11:34:15 this now, so that the neighborhood children -- and anyone
11:34:18 else, because I take my grandson all over the city to splash
11:34:23 pad parks, all over, and he absolutely loves it.
11:34:26 I understand that.
11:34:27 And I think it's a good compromise.
11:34:30 I hope the immediate neighborhood will probably be using it.
11:34:33 But I would probably bring my grandson there, too.
11:34:36 But the goal, this city is growing.
11:34:38 The goal is to look at down the future.
11:34:42 What do we want?
11:34:43 This is Florida.
11:34:44 This is the sunshine state.
11:34:47 You can swim here year round.
11:34:52 Ask anyone that goes to the beaches.
11:34:53 They have record number of tourists over there.
11:34:55 So I think we need to look beyond the immediate -- yes, we
11:35:02 need to address the immediate because it has been -- the can
11:35:08 has been kicked down the road long enough.
11:35:10 And I do believe that looking to those fund within the
11:35:15 moneys that we have allotted now for at least a splash pad
11:35:20 would be a start.
11:35:21 But it shouldn't be the end by any stretch of the
11:35:25 We need to really -- and I think the neighborhood -- and I
11:35:28 think the citizens would agree.
11:35:29 It could be a 5, 6, 10-year plan.
11:35:35 But this is the goal, is to have this.
11:35:38 And if we don't have goals, then we are doing -- what we are
11:35:41 doing today is, okay, we can repair the pool.
11:35:47 But we have to have, besides that, where do we want to wind
11:35:53 So with that, what Councilman Suarez, his motion, and
11:36:02 Councilman Reddick's second, I would agree, but I would like
11:36:07 to add a friendly amendment that we study with the
11:36:11 neighborhoods, with the citizens, a bigger plan, a larger
11:36:17 plan for this area, because this would do what magnet
11:36:21 schools do.
11:36:22 It will bring people from all over the city, the county, to
11:36:27 this area.
11:36:27 It's an economic engine.
11:36:30 And it's an investment in the future.
11:36:33 So that's where I think I would like to see this discussion
11:36:38 go, is immediately we have the integrity of the structure
11:36:45 that is going to be okay for two or three years, and we can
11:36:49 do probably a splash pad and the maintenance with the upkeep
11:36:56 that will not be anywhere near what a pool would be, and it
11:37:01 gives us time to maybe put that $400,000 or whatever that
11:37:05 would have been spent in lifeguards and maintaining the pool
11:37:10 toward the next project, and this is our overall plan, and
11:37:17 we are going to do this much in three years, and this much
11:37:19 in four years, and everyone is assuming -- and I know that
11:37:27 Ms. Little is very astute at looking at the future and what
11:37:34 our income for our revenues may be, and they are looking up.
11:37:38 So with that in mind, we can move that -- move forward with
11:37:41 the -- with the goal of making this a destination, and a
11:37:50 start, which it was, and it should stay.
11:37:54 That's all.
11:37:56 I would like to see us move that we continue, but a plan has
11:38:02 to be put together besides a splash pad.
11:38:05 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
11:38:06 Let me say.
11:38:06 This I think you have to go back to prior 1935 when the
11:38:09 Cuscaden family gave that away to the city to make that a
11:38:13 park, prior to '35.
11:38:16 That was an orange grove.
11:38:18 And I wasn't there.
11:38:19 Let me say that.
11:38:21 It was a project of WPA.
11:38:27 How long is the life resources of the C.I.T.?
11:38:30 C.I.T. is not forever.
11:38:32 And it draws down on what you borrow.
11:38:35 So you have that animal to look at.
11:38:38 Tough other animal.
11:38:40 When Ms. Little made a presentation of a factual basis of
11:38:44 fact of that department and what they had, it was prior to
11:38:47 the increase of property values.
11:38:49 And at that time, we did discuss the possibility of being
11:38:54 less than $15 million was a realistic one.
11:38:58 But you also have other concerns in the budget where you
11:39:01 have decreases, and the operation of the city.
11:39:07 Yes, a pool is very needed everywhere.
11:39:11 But so is water and street, so is police and fire, so is all
11:39:17 the amenities you have, so is the signalization of the city.
11:39:23 And very few of us can say, when you talk about historical
11:39:28 park, understood this plan, there no more basketball courts,
11:39:37 no more basketball courts, a historical stadium that sat in
11:39:42 the southeast portion next to the Boys and Girls Club was
11:39:47 destroyed, brought down some years back.
11:39:50 So is it really historical to what it was?
11:39:53 I always thought historical meant what it was.
11:39:58 Evidently it doesn't mean that.
11:40:00 Because I have heard no one bring that up.
11:40:02 This is the only park that I know of in the country that has
11:40:09 not one, but two baseball players that will be in the Hall
11:40:13 of Fame that come from that same park.
11:40:17 There are none others that I know of.
11:40:19 There might be but I'm not aware of it.
11:40:22 What's going to happen there?
11:40:28 I'm not against repairing or bringing back something.
11:40:32 But if I am going to bring back something historical, I have
11:40:37 got to bring it back like it was.
11:40:39 I learned how to swim at that park.
11:40:45 When there was no swim lessons available and you put the
11:40:48 left hand on the gutter and you went around with the right
11:40:51 hand and then you went the other way going the other way.
11:40:56 The convenience that wave today in society are much greater
11:41:02 than I had growing up.
11:41:04 I had to walk at 26th to the park to swim.
11:41:12 Also part of the Tampa Housing Authority.
11:41:16 We had automobiles just about everywhere.
11:41:18 Is there an inconvenience for those resident?
11:41:20 Sure there is.
11:41:21 But there's also the park that they can get to within five
11:41:24 minutes of where they live.
11:41:27 No one had a car in that neighborhood that you didn't have
11:41:35 to walk to the park.
11:41:36 And at that time, that was the only pool.
11:41:42 They would come there from all over.
11:41:45 Let me say another thing.
11:41:46 We talk about rec parks and this and that.
11:41:51 You had to pay to get in.
11:41:55 It was 25 cents.
11:41:58 It had enough chlorine in that little wading thing to get up
11:42:03 to the pool that your finger doesn't fall off, that your
11:42:06 toenails wouldn't fall off because they wanted to make sure
11:42:10 the pool was in great condition.
11:42:12 So so many things that I remember in the pool.
11:42:16 And it was the thing you put around your leg, you paid your
11:42:20 25 cents.
11:42:22 Of that number, they gave you that item, put around your
11:42:26 ankle, and that's on the way out.
11:42:29 You had to give it back.
11:42:32 So nothing has really changed.
11:42:35 If you look at the 25-cent charge at that time and you look
11:42:39 at the dollar value today, maybe we were paying more then
11:42:44 than we are today when you look at the value of the dollar.
11:42:47 So we have everything we need.
11:42:53 Is there inconvenience there?
11:42:54 Sure there is.
11:42:55 But if you do the pool, and you forget the rest, are you
11:43:01 telling me kid don't want to play tennis anymore, kids don't
11:43:04 want to play basketball anymore, kids don't want to play
11:43:06 baseball anymore?
11:43:07 That's what I'm hearing.
11:43:08 I want to hear -- I only hear about one thing.
11:43:11 No resident has come here and talked about any other thing
11:43:14 other than the pool.
11:43:18 And that wasn't what was there historically.
11:43:22 there was activity there.
11:43:24 There was city recreation department run.
11:43:26 There was no little league at that time.
11:43:29 And there was tens of thousands of kids that came through
11:43:33 both boys and girls.
11:43:37 They became networking, became doctors, lawyers, engineers,
11:43:41 scientists, and that came out of that portion of the city.
11:43:44 And I am so proud much each and every one of them.
11:43:46 In fact, this coming Wednesday, I believe that one of the
11:43:51 Hall of Famers will be inducted in the Hall of Fame July
11:43:54 27th will be throwing out the first pitch at the Rays
11:43:56 game, only because he made that commitment some time back
11:44:00 when the cardinals played the Rays.
11:44:03 So I'm trying to sell ticket to the game, I guess.
11:44:06 So all these things are there that are historical, but talk
11:44:14 about their historical value of that pool.
11:44:16 And if we do everything that we said we are going to do, are
11:44:20 the people going to walk there?
11:44:23 I don't think so.
11:44:24 There's no parking there.
11:44:27 What are you going to do?
11:44:28 The boys club and girls club, what if they leaf?
11:44:33 It isn't because they wanted to.
11:44:35 There's a need.
11:44:36 There's a void, certainly.
11:44:39 You can only live so much for so long when you borrow money
11:44:43 out of your reserves.
11:44:45 And that's no different than any one of us taxpayers taking
11:44:49 out money out of your savings to meet your daily obligation.
11:44:53 It doesn't work very long.
11:44:56 You will soon be broke and you will soon be looking at some
11:45:01 other means of making your sustainable quality of life.
11:45:07 It is up to us, not only the administration -- and I'm not
11:45:10 talking about this mayor, prior mayors or future mayors --
11:45:14 it's up to all elected officials, if this is what we really
11:45:18 want, to work with the administration and say, you know
11:45:21 Here is what I want you to take out of stormwater.
11:45:24 Here is way want you to take out of water.
11:45:26 Here is what I want you to take out of police department.
11:45:29 Here is what I want you to take out of the fire department
11:45:31 to meet what we want for one pool, because I never heard
11:45:35 anything else discussed.
11:45:36 All I heard is one pool.
11:45:39 Not anything that I mentioned.
11:45:41 So I'm not going to blame it on this current mayor.
11:45:50 Till we tell you what we want cut, sir, the head guy here.
11:45:54 Or the fall guy.
11:45:56 However you want.
11:45:58 But what I am trying to say, this has to be a collaborative
11:46:01 effort from all the elected officials who say, you know
11:46:04 I want this, and here is how I am going to get it.
11:46:06 And then explain it to the general public what you did.
11:46:12 That's my way of thinking.
11:46:15 And I'm not trying to report anything but the facts.
11:46:20 So it's not an easy decision.
11:46:24 And like I said earlier, if it was easy there would be no
11:46:32 But we run a corporation called the City of Tampa, just like
11:46:36 any other business.
11:46:37 And if we have a lot more problems and a lot of cooperation
11:46:44 than a lot of big corporations because they deliver one
11:46:47 product and they deliver that and make a profit.
11:46:49 We have to live with that profit -- that product, I mean,
11:46:53 without making a profit, and without having a deficit.
11:46:56 So we have a balance system just like a seesaw.
11:47:01 Got to be in the middle.
11:47:02 Can't go one way or the other.
11:47:05 And that's very difficult to do in life.
11:47:07 And I applaud you, the current mayor, past mayors, future
11:47:11 elected officials of this city, because when they sit here,
11:47:14 it ain't the size of the shoe, it's the size of the person
11:47:19 what they want to do and how they want to get it done.
11:47:22 And so far, we are doing all right.
11:47:24 Not perfect.
11:47:26 But we are doing all right.
11:47:28 So I'm going to take that motion made by Mr. Suarez, second
11:47:31 by Mr. Reddick in the absence of Mr. Suarez, Mr. Reddick --
11:47:35 just a second, please -- with the that was made earlier by
11:47:39 Mrs. Capin, Mr. Reddick approves that amendment --
11:47:44 >>YVONNE CAPIN: The motion was made --
11:47:45 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I understand that, Mrs. Capin, and he's
11:47:47 not here so I can't ask him what he wants.
11:47:50 I have to ask the second one which is Mr. Reddick.
11:47:53 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I just want to make sure.
11:47:56 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Believe me.
11:47:56 Mr. Reddick accept that?
11:48:01 >>YVONNE CAPIN: It was to move what Mr. Suarez said looking
11:48:03 into the moneys that have been allotted already for aquatic
11:48:09 recreation for looking at a splash pad.
11:48:13 And I think that's what it was.
11:48:15 And I'm pretty sure.
11:48:16 But that will not be the end-all for this park, that we will
11:48:25 look at, with the neighborhoods, with the city, with the
11:48:29 citizens, at a larger goal, and how we can attain that for
11:48:34 this very important park.
11:48:37 >>FRANK REDDICK: Okay, thank you.
11:48:42 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Thank you.
11:48:43 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: All right.
11:48:44 The motion was made by Mr. Suarez and he's not here, and
11:48:52 >>MARTIN SHELBY: By unanimous consent if you make that
11:48:54 amendment that will be fine.
11:48:57 >>MARY MULHERN: I'll ask council before the vote, does
11:48:59 counsel agree with that consent?
11:49:04 I have a motion for unanimous consent by Mr. Cohen, second
11:49:06 by Mrs. Mulhern on this motion in the absence of Mr. Suarez
11:49:10 All in favor of that motion please indicate by saying aye.
11:49:12 Opposed nay.
11:49:13 We have that consent.
11:49:18 Should have killed it but I didn't.
11:49:19 Just joking with you, Mr. Reddick.
11:49:22 So now, the motion goes back to Mr. Suarez' motion.
11:49:25 Seconded by Mr. Reddick.
11:49:28 Amended on the friendly consent by Mrs. Capin and Mr.
11:49:32 Reddick, approved that amendment by Mrs. Capin.
11:49:37 All in favor?
11:49:39 The ayes have it unanimously.
11:49:41 Let me also say, and not today, but I will be making a
11:49:45 motion for us to ask the administration what we want, and
11:49:50 how you are going to get the money.
11:49:52 It's not fair to put it on one elected official.
11:49:54 There are eight elected officials in this city.
11:49:58 I won't do that today.
11:50:01 We go to item --
11:50:05 >> Rogero: If I could offer clarification and somewhat of
11:50:09 rebuttal to a few of the statements.
11:50:11 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: All right, let's hear it.
11:50:12 >> We would, of course, disagree with the statement that the
11:50:16 city has accepted in a responsibility for this pool.
11:50:21 I would remind council the city has invested millions of
11:50:23 dollars and countless man hours in the effort to renovate
11:50:26 this pool.
11:50:27 Now, of course, it hasn't turned out than the way we would
11:50:30 have liked.
11:50:31 But I of course can't let that go unanswered.
11:50:34 We must respectfully disagree on that particular component.
11:50:38 In terms of the timing from the report and the deficit
11:50:42 projection, I think back in January, when the motions by
11:50:47 council was made, I think everybody was looking forward to a
11:50:50 projection that was more important.
11:50:52 We anticipated scenarios wherein we wouldn't be dealing with
11:50:55 a shortfall next year.
11:50:57 Again, anticipated shortfall is less than what it's been in
11:51:01 past years, but as we take into account various factors
11:51:05 associated with models -- and again value is one component.
11:51:09 Revenue and finance department will entertain many taxable
11:51:13 value increased scenarios.
11:51:15 And that's why we give you that 10 to $15 million range.
11:51:18 So again, although the taxable value increase is good news,
11:51:22 it's only a component.
11:51:23 And, finally, I am going to ask the Parks and Recreation
11:51:26 Department to research -- Mr. Bayor would like nothing more
11:51:31 than 4,000.
11:51:35 I'm not sure we have record of 4,000 children attending
11:51:37 this. I'm not saying it doesn't exist. I have not seen it.
11:51:41 And we'll research that.
11:51:42 Because I do want to keep it in context as accurate as we
11:51:47 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
11:51:48 >>FRANK REDDICK: Mr. Chair, due to the time, I am going to
11:51:54 let it slide today.
11:51:55 But you will hear me respond somewhere down the road.
11:51:59 But I am going to let it slide today out of courtesy of the
11:52:04 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you, Mr. Reddick.
11:52:05 I appreciate the courtesy of the time.
11:52:07 It's 11:49 and I would really like to get 7 done before we
11:52:11 break for lunch.
11:52:12 >> Are we going to take the vote?
11:52:21 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Which vote do you want?
11:52:23 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Sorry.
11:52:24 If I may make a suggestion, since it is time, as you point
11:52:28 out, ten to, can we take 11, 12, 13 and 14 contract items?
11:52:35 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Yes.
11:52:35 Item 74 and 78, they are going to request a continuance. If
11:52:42 they can be done before lunch I would really appreciate it.
11:52:44 I have been requested by our staff and the individuals
11:52:48 regarding those two items.
11:52:50 And is the city here on that?
11:52:53 Who is going to make that motion for the public?
11:52:55 I have to have something on the record here to do something
11:52:57 with it.
11:52:59 I have got to open the public hearing on 78 to do that.
11:53:02 And 74.
11:53:03 And let me make a motion to open items 67 through 79.
11:53:10 That will cover me.
11:53:11 Motion by Mr. Cohen.
11:53:12 Second by Mrs. Montelione.
11:53:14 Further discussion?
11:53:18 All in favor? Opposed?
11:53:19 The ayes have it unanimously.
11:53:20 Yes, sir.
11:53:25 >>ERNEST MUELLER: Actually 78.
11:53:27 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: All right. 74.
11:53:28 >>BARBARA LYNCH: Land development coordination.
11:53:31 I am requesting continuance on second reading due to some
11:53:33 real estate issues that have come up.
11:53:37 To 6-26, 9:30.
11:53:39 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: June 26th.
11:53:42 Motion by Mrs. Mulhern.
11:53:44 Second by Mr. Cohen.
11:53:45 Before I take the vote, anyone in the public object to that
11:53:48 All in favor of the motion please indicate by saying aye.
11:53:51 Opposed? The ayes have it unanimously.
11:53:53 We go now.
11:53:54 I was given 78. Yes, sir, 78.
11:53:57 >>ERNEST MUELLER: Assistant city attorney.
11:53:59 Requesting a continuance of this item to June 26th.
11:54:02 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Anyone in the public have any objection
11:54:04 to this item number 78 to John 26th?
11:54:09 >>FRANK REDDICK: Move to continue.
11:54:13 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I will not be here on June 26th.
11:54:16 Can we would move this to July 31?
11:54:22 June 26 is getting really packed.
11:54:25 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: It's up to them.
11:54:28 >>YVONNE CAPIN: July 31.
11:54:34 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'm wasting time.
11:54:37 >>ERNEST MUELLER: The reason we are hesitating is
11:54:40 quasi-judicial hearing where there's going to be issues of
11:54:43 witnesses, which is one of the reasons we are continuing
11:54:45 So I can't guarantee that the 31st we are going to have
11:54:49 all the witnesses there.
11:54:50 But we can certainly --
11:54:52 >>YVONNE CAPIN: You can't guarantee you will have all the
11:54:53 witnesses June 26th either, for that matter.
11:54:58 You will have the one officer that's not here.
11:55:02 What is the guarantee on the 26th the --
11:55:08 >> What's available on June 26th.
11:55:12 >>HARRY COHEN: My understanding of the issue here is that
11:55:15 we need to have a full council to discuss this matter.
11:55:19 And it's because of the nature of it.
11:55:22 So what I would like to know from council is, could this be
11:55:25 done in an evening meeting?
11:55:27 Does it have to be done at a regular session?
11:55:29 Or could it be scheduled on any time that council is
11:55:32 >>ERNEST MUELLER: I'll suggest this, we figure out if we
11:55:38 can get people here on the 31st.
11:55:40 >>HARRY COHEN: But the thing about the 31st, that's a
11:55:44 long time away from now.
11:55:45 And this is a fairly -- this should be heard sooner than
11:55:49 later so I am offering you the opportunity to bring it back
11:55:51 to us at some date when we know we are all going to be here.
11:55:56 Presumably the two night meetings that will take place
11:55:58 before July 31st.
11:56:00 >> And after lunch, I can investigate it at that point and
11:56:04 give you a better answer then.
11:56:05 >>YVONNE CAPIN: We have one the 24th, a night meeting,
11:56:10 July 24, and what else do we have?
11:56:16 >> Also have night meeting on June 26th.
11:56:20 >>HARRY COHEN: We'll talk about that under new business,
11:56:29 >>YVONNE CAPIN: So we have a night meeting.
11:56:30 That will be fine.
11:56:31 June 24 we have a night meeting. July 24.
11:56:40 We can call a night meeting, can't we?
11:56:43 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Well --
11:56:44 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Okay.
11:56:45 >>HARRY COHEN: We have a night meeting June 12th.
11:56:51 (Overlapping conversations.)
11:56:53 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: They are talking about witnesses and we
11:56:54 are talking about days, and we don't even know who the
11:56:57 witnesses are going to be or the days, and it's getting
11:57:00 complicated more than I thought.
11:57:01 So we'll hold this till after lunch and hold 78 till after
11:57:04 lunch and come back with some information once we hear from
11:57:12 Mrs. Mulhern.
11:57:13 >>MARY MULHERN: It's six minutes till noon but I would like
11:57:17 to move that we stay until 12:30.
11:57:22 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Okay, let me take the motion.
11:57:24 And I will get to your motion in one second.
11:57:26 Let me go to Mrs. Montelione who spoke to me earlier about
11:57:29 items that she wanted to move before lunch.
11:57:31 Mrs. Montelione.
11:57:32 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I would like to move items 11, 12, 13
11:57:37 and 14 under staff reports for approval.
11:57:39 >> Second.
11:57:40 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: 11, 12, 13, 14 for staff approval.
11:57:44 I have a motion by Mrs. Montelione on those items.
11:57:47 These are staff reports.
11:57:48 Seconded by Mrs. Mulhern.
11:57:49 Further discussion by this council members?
11:57:52 I see no one.
11:57:53 All in favor of the motion? Opposed?
11:57:55 The ayes have it unanimous.
11:57:57 Thank you very much, Mrs. Montelione.
11:57:58 Mrs. Mulhern.
11:57:59 >>MARY MULHERN: Yes, I think it looks possible to be
11:58:07 through by 12:30 and not come back, have to take a lunch
11:58:11 That was my motion.
11:58:12 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I need a 30 minute extension.
11:58:14 I have that by Mrs. Mulhern; I have a second by Mr. Cohen.
11:58:17 All in favor of that motion to continue.
11:58:23 All in favor of the motion, please indicate by saying aye.
11:58:26 The ayes have it unanimously.
11:58:36 I can do the consent agenda even though we have 7 and 8 that
11:58:40 are still looking at me here.
11:58:41 Let me go to consent agenda quickly here.
11:58:45 Public Safety Committee chair, Mr. Frank Reddick.
11:58:53 15 through 27 is what you are asking.
11:58:56 >>FRANK REDDICK: I move 15 through 27.
11:59:00 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Motion by Mr. Reddick, second by Mrs.
11:59:02 Further discussion by council members?
11:59:03 All in favor of the motion? Opposed?
11:59:05 The ayes have it unanimously.
11:59:07 Parks, Recreation, Culture Committee chair, Mrs. Mary
11:59:11 >>MARY MULHERN: I move items 28 through 33.
11:59:14 >>HARRY COHEN: Second.
11:59:16 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion by Mrs. Mulhern, second
11:59:18 by Mr. Cohen.
11:59:20 Discussion by council members?
11:59:21 All in favor?
11:59:22 The ayes have it unanimously.
11:59:24 Public Works Committee, vice chair, Mrs. Mary Mulhern.
11:59:27 >>MARY MULHERN: I move items 34 through 44.
11:59:33 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion by Mrs. Mulhern.
11:59:35 I have a second by Mr. Cohen.
11:59:36 Further discussion by council members?
11:59:37 All in favor of the motion?
11:59:39 The ayes have it unanimously.
11:59:41 Finance Committee chair, Mr. Harry Cohen.
11:59:45 >> I move 45 through 49.
11:59:48 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion by Mr. Cohen.
11:59:49 Second by Mrs. Mulhern.
11:59:53 All in favor?
11:59:54 The eyes are getting weaker but they pass.
12:00:01 Building, zoning, committee preservation chair committee,
12:00:05 Mrs. Lisa Montelione.
12:00:06 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I move items 50 through 52, 54 through
12:00:12 62, and the substitute resolution for item number 53.
12:00:19 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion by Mrs. Mulhern, (sic) I
12:00:20 have a second by Mrs. Mulhern.
12:00:22 All in favor of that motion? Opposed?
12:00:24 The ayes have it unanimously
12:00:26 Transportation committee chair, Yvonne Capin.
12:00:31 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I move 63 and 64.
12:00:33 >> Second.
12:00:34 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion by Mrs. Capin, second by
12:00:36 Mr. Cohen.
12:00:36 All in favor? Opposed?
12:00:38 The ayes have it unanimously.
12:00:39 We go back to item number 7.
12:00:42 Thank you very much, council members.
12:00:42 >>JULIA MANDELL: City attorney.
12:00:45 I did have an opportunity to brief all of you generally on
12:00:48 the issue of hard-cost liens, and the use of a potential
12:00:51 special assessment district in order to collect those
12:00:54 hard-cost liens which was really the remaining usual you out
12:00:59 of this item.
12:01:00 I have had opportunity to speak with the attorney
12:01:02 representing the Hillsborough County tax collector as well
12:01:05 as my own research and look at what other jurisdictions who
12:01:11 have done this and started to do.
12:01:12 At this time, I really can't recommend giving you
12:01:16 conversations of the, take cuts when I spoke with you, I
12:01:22 can't recommend that we move forward on an ordinance which
12:01:25 creates a special assessment district, but that is not to
12:01:29 say that the city attorney's office is not looking at
12:01:32 alternatives and will continue to monitor these issues, and
12:01:34 we intend top move forward with all of those items in terms
12:01:37 of looking at our code, looking at this ordinance, and I
12:01:40 will continue to monitor it as well as looking at some
12:01:43 internal options that we might have for questions.
12:01:47 So that's really all I have for you today and I am happy to
12:01:50 tap any questions.
12:01:52 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Mr. Cohen.
12:01:53 >>HARRY COHEN: Thank you very much, madam city attorney.
12:01:55 I think if it would be all right with council, I would like
12:02:00 for you to come back to us in maybe 90 days with a status
12:02:04 update, because this is an idea, it's the one thing that we
12:02:08 have zeroed in on that we might be able to do, to add some
12:02:12 teeth to some of our enforcement efforts, and if there's
12:02:15 anything that comes up that you think we can add, I don't
12:02:20 want this to fall off the radar and not be brought back.
12:02:24 So if everyone is amenable to it, I would just like to make
12:02:28 a motion to bring this back under staff reports on August
12:02:31 28th at 9:00 a.m.
12:02:33 >> Second.
12:02:35 >>JULIA MANDELL: And I will be attending the Florida
12:02:38 municipal attorneys association meeting prior to that and
12:02:40 hopefully I can start to pic the brains of some other smart
12:02:44 folks that look at these issues as well.
12:02:46 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: A motion by Mr. Cohen, seconded by Mrs.
12:02:49 Capin on a close vote with Mrs. Montelione.
12:02:52 All in favor?
12:02:53 The ayes have it unanimously.
12:02:55 Item number 8.
12:02:55 >> Irvin Lee: I wanted to take a few moments here to give
12:03:12 you an update as requested on the May 2nd rain event.
12:03:20 There were three particular issues that were discussed or
12:03:23 asked about.
12:03:26 The flooding that occurred, the impact of that on the north
12:03:32 Tampa area, and our capital program that goes with it.
12:03:37 First of all, on the 2nd, the weather forecasters gave
12:03:48 us a 60% chance of rain in the area.
12:03:51 This was a result of a system that was moving over -- slowly
12:03:56 over west central and southwest Florida.
12:04:00 The rainfall that we received from that system resulted in
12:04:03 what was classified as a 100 year storm.
12:04:06 So essentially there was a one percent chance of that amount
12:04:10 of rainfall occurring in that period of time, in this
12:04:14 particular location.
12:04:16 The area that was ground zero for the bulk of the rainfall
12:04:20 that occurred during that event was in the area around Busch
12:04:23 Gardens and Temple Terrace, what we consider the north Tampa
12:04:28 We had numerous report of flooding there.
12:04:33 The flooding was extensive.
12:04:36 With the volume of rain and the short period of time in
12:04:39 which it occurred, it extended even into areas that we
12:04:43 typically don't see a lot, even up into the USF campus.
12:04:49 What I would like to do is show you some graphics from the
12:04:51 National Weather Service.
12:04:53 The first shows the entire state, central portion of the
12:04:59 state and gives you an idea of the type of event we were
12:05:02 looking at.
12:05:03 You can see Tampa right here in this area.
12:05:09 And you see that area just north and east of where Tampa is,
12:05:14 and the colors associated with what's going on here.
12:05:20 You can see that right across the top there.
12:05:22 This was again very intense amount of rain in a very short
12:05:27 period of time.
12:05:29 To zero in on this just a little bit more, this gives you a
12:05:31 better feel for what it was like actually in that north
12:05:35 Tampa area.
12:05:37 You will notice right here Temple Terrace.
12:05:40 This is -- right below here is South Tampa.
12:05:46 You can see the Tampa peninsula.
12:05:48 But Tampa majority of the impact of this storm, again, in
12:05:53 the north and northeast portion of the city.
12:06:00 The marine gauges estimated anywhere from 6 to 10 inches,
12:06:04 and as specific to the National Weather Service's rainfall
12:06:09 report, they provided this graphic, which the way this is
12:06:15 read is this is the rainfall for the last 48 hours.
12:06:20 So if you look here, you will notice that it talks about
12:06:25 northeast Tampa, in this particular area, from the 1st
12:06:33 to the 3rd, a 48-hour period encompassing that time
12:06:38 frame at 7:00 a.m.
12:06:41 9.17 inches.
12:06:44 Was recorded at this particular gauge.
12:06:46 I don't have the precise location, but this gives you the
12:06:51 summary of what the National Weather Service received in
12:06:55 terms of rainfall from a variety of sources at these
12:06:59 different areas.
12:07:00 And you will notice as I said, the northeast Tampa, Temple
12:07:03 Terrace, you can see the amount of rainfall received.
12:07:09 So again, this was an intense storm, a very unusual storm,
12:07:17 and brought with it significant amounts of rainfall.
12:07:23 As far as the north Tampa area in terms of our flood control
12:07:27 efforts, you may recall that we cut the ribbon on our city's
12:07:33 donut pond pump station which is part of a joint project and
12:07:37 executed with the county, the city's portion was 16 million
12:07:42 of the 27 million.
12:07:43 The performance of this system, we are still analyzing it.
12:07:46 As you can imagine, there's quite a bit of data not only in
12:07:49 terms of the run times on the pumps but the actual amount of
12:07:54 rainfall, the amount of flow, of rain water, that was
12:07:59 actually pumped.
12:08:01 The system design characteristics were for a 25 year storm.
12:08:05 So again, what we had was a one percent likelihood of
12:08:11 We designed for a 4% likelihood of recurrence.
12:08:18 As I said, we are working not only with the county staff but
12:08:20 the folks that designed the system, installed it and the
12:08:22 consultants who provided some of the design support as well.
12:08:26 We need a little more time to work together to evaluate how
12:08:28 the components operated and performed, and we will obviously
12:08:35 make sure that in the event that something like this occurs
12:08:37 again, which we hope will be highly unlikely, but again we
12:08:44 want to be prepared to make sure that we can respond to the
12:08:47 types of accumulation that we seek.
12:08:50 This is just an overhead of the system.
12:08:53 If you are not familiar with this area, essentially what's
12:08:56 happening here is you have got this area up in the county
12:09:00 that is draining down through the city, and 30th street
12:09:07 which is along the right portion of that, water down to the
12:09:13 Hillsborough River.
12:09:14 And you will notice many of the streets in this area down
12:09:17 here, again, demonstrate flooding that had not been seen in
12:09:25 With that, I will be happy to answer any questions or
12:09:28 attempt to address any concerns you might have.
12:09:32 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Mrs. Mulhern and Mrs. Montelione.
12:09:34 >>MARY MULHERN: I just want to suggest that -- I know when
12:09:38 you get your 100 year, your 1% chance figure, where does
12:09:42 that come from?
12:09:46 Who gives that?
12:09:48 Where do you get that statistical analysis, from the
12:09:51 National Weather Service?
12:09:53 >> The National Weather Service.
12:09:55 And historical averages.
12:09:56 >>MARY MULHERN: The historical averages aren't going to be
12:10:02 right anymore because of climate change, and we need to look
12:10:05 at that, especially in our planning, transportation, you
12:10:10 know, in south Florida, they are already experiencing more
12:10:16 ongoing problems with flooding, and saltwater intrusion in
12:10:20 the roads getting flooded, we need to start doing that.
12:10:24 You know, when we are seeing -- we are going to be seeing
12:10:28 more of this, because it's extreme weather of all kinds
12:10:35 happening all over the world.
12:10:36 So I think we need to maybe think a little beyond the
12:10:40 historical 100 year average.
12:10:46 >> But to build to that standard, that's just a set that we
12:10:53 have, because in the past, where we may have a different
12:10:57 area, or it may have been spread out over the area, where we
12:11:02 have the opportunity to -- in this case, again, it was very
12:11:09 focused in that one particular area.
12:11:14 I think your main point very seriously because, yes, you are
12:11:18 correct, we will incorporate, you know, the changes that we
12:11:21 see, and the standards that exist.
12:11:25 We will incorporate those in our future designs.
12:11:28 But in this particular case, a project that was completed
12:11:30 this past January, the design analysis that's the basis for
12:11:34 that were purely on the historical figures that were
12:11:37 available at that time.
12:11:38 >>MARY MULHERN: I'm just saying we need to look beyond
12:11:43 >> We will.
12:11:45 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Mrs. Montelione.
12:11:46 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Thank you, Mr. Chair, and I beg come
12:11:50 up's forgiveness before I start because I have got quite a
12:11:52 lot of information that I received from Mr. Rogero and Mr.
12:11:58 Lee and our budget team on this.
12:12:00 I want to start out, if you can get out and put some of
12:12:04 those photographs on the overhead for me.
12:12:10 When Mr. Lee talks about the flooding, this is some of the
12:12:14 What happens, this is at the height of the storm.
12:12:17 What you see there in the background behind the fence is one
12:12:19 of -- the stormwater pond that was in the lower portion of
12:12:23 the picture that Mr. Lee had up earlier.
12:12:26 >> Irvin Lee: Poinsettia.
12:12:35 >>LISA MONTELIONE: That line of bushes you see there,
12:12:37 that's the back wall of Busch Gardens parking lot.
12:12:40 That's a pond that is directly behind the parking lot.
12:12:43 And that's obviously impassable, but trying to pass it, not
12:12:50 a good idea.
12:12:53 What street is that?
12:12:57 It's 99th and -- oh, I can't remember.
12:13:08 East 99th.
12:13:11 That's one of the homes that was there.
12:13:13 That's after the water receded.
12:13:16 So you can see it's beyond the doorway.
12:13:19 So that house did take on water.
12:13:23 This one is Linebaugh.
12:13:26 It's nearly the same corner.
12:13:28 This is one block up.
12:13:30 That's east Linebaugh there.
12:13:33 And that's Busch Gardens parking lot once again.
12:13:38 This is on the way to the project that we talked about, the
12:13:45 donut pond down at the end of that street, 113th, an
12:13:50 apartment complex right there.
12:13:52 Maybe what you can't see readily is there's a car where the
12:13:54 water is past the tires on the car.
12:14:00 Yes, right there.
12:14:01 Thank you.
12:14:04 This is another homeowner.
12:14:06 I was on her property across from the pond.
12:14:09 This is in the area of Elmer and 18th.
12:14:13 This is right off of Busch Boulevard.
12:14:15 About two blocks.
12:14:16 So it's not anywhere near the other area that we were
12:14:21 talking about.
12:14:25 That's 30th street.
12:14:26 That's the day after.
12:14:29 That is someone who didn't -- because 30th street, the
12:14:32 water was knee deep, couldn't see, couldn't tell where the
12:14:37 road started and stopped and drove into the ditch.
12:14:42 That's the corner of Linebaugh and 30th.
12:14:48 That, I don't remember the address on that.
12:14:50 I drove around so many streets on that day.
12:14:53 It was during the storm I was driving around.
12:14:55 You could see some of the debris floating in the water
12:14:59 That's another storm with water pond.
12:15:01 I believe that might be poinsettia pond.
12:15:05 And you can see, this is -- I'm standing on the homeowner's
12:15:10 property and those are her landscape plants that are on her
12:15:14 That's about four feet deep.
12:15:22 Again, that's looking the other direction, the same block.
12:15:28 That's after the water started to recede.
12:15:30 This, on the other hand, is Seminole Heights, provided by
12:15:34 Kimberly Overman to me.
12:15:37 That's just top show the depth of the water that was in
12:15:40 Seminole Heights.
12:15:43 That's also Seminole Heights.
12:15:45 That's the backyard of the house.
12:15:48 As you can see there's Whitewater there.
12:15:50 That's the river, just beyond there.
12:15:55 >>YVONNE CAPIN: That's the river coming down?
12:15:57 >> Yes.
12:15:59 FROM THE FLOOR: That's actually stormwater pond.
12:16:01 >>LISA MONTELIONE: You have to come up to the microphone.
12:16:05 >> Not the river but going to the river.
12:16:08 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Yes.
12:16:11 Next, there is another one, stormwater trying to find the
12:16:17 That's the same house again.
12:16:20 We didn't need to show that.
12:16:22 Is that it?
12:16:23 All right.
12:16:24 So now it gives you some perspective of what I saw when I
12:16:28 was driving around during that storm.
12:16:31 I did go on camera with an investigative reporter, Mr.
12:16:35 Andrews, who was trying to say that it was money that we did
12:16:40 not spend wisely when we put money into that project.
12:16:43 I corrected him, if we didn't put that p much money into the
12:16:49 project the water would be knee deep on Fowler Avenue whip
12:16:52 is what happened in 2005 or 2006.
12:16:54 So that is a good step.
12:16:58 The water was still very, very deep on Fowler Avenue, but it
12:17:02 wasn't quite as bad as knee deep lake it was in 2005.
12:17:07 What concerns me is that we don't have, as Ms. Mulhern
12:17:11 pointed out, we don't have the resources, the funding, to do
12:17:16 what we need to do, because as you said, Mr. Lee, it very,
12:17:20 very, very expensive, and than with climate change, these
12:17:24 storms are going to hit us when we least expect it, they are
12:17:29 going to not come during hurricane season, they are going to
12:17:33 come whenever they descend upon us, it's going to be quick,
12:17:38 we are not going to have a lot of response time to react,
12:17:42 and wave to start planning now.
12:17:44 I mean, this is probably a 10, 20, 30-year look forward into
12:17:50 what we need to do to address the issues of the more severe
12:17:56 And I have got the public works, stormwater divisions
12:18:02 program review, 13, 14 fiscal year.
12:18:05 I discussed this with the whole team about a month or two
12:18:08 ago, and with Mr. Herr again the other day, and there's only
12:18:13 13 projects here.
12:18:14 I know that there's a possibility of adding a few more,
12:18:17 because of the problems that we continue to have in South
12:18:20 Tampa, and those projects may or may not be added this
12:18:24 fiscal year.
12:18:25 But we need to do more.
12:18:27 We need -- we talked about budget money this morning, about,
12:18:32 you know, the Cuscaden pool, but this is people's lives.
12:18:38 This is people's livelihood and their property.
12:18:43 We had photographs on the news of the San Juan market on
12:18:47 Hillsborough, and other markets.
12:18:50 Those vegetables were floating in the middle of Hillsborough
12:18:54 So this is a matter of protecting our citizens and our
12:18:59 businesses, and our economic liability for the next, you
12:19:03 know, 25 to 30 years.
12:19:05 So what I am asking for is for the budget department and the
12:19:11 stormwater division to get together and do a full assessment
12:19:17 of what fund are going to be needed to address these very,
12:19:24 very expensive projects.
12:19:26 And I'm begging for additional work in the very near future,
12:19:32 in the '15 budget, for relief in some of those other ponds.
12:19:39 Although we did a great job at the donut pond and the duck
12:19:42 pond on the other side of the county line, north of
12:19:46 university square mall, poinsettia pond and all of the other
12:19:50 smaller ponds that were in those pictures have not been
12:19:53 approved in years.
12:19:56 I know one of them is going to get some underground pumping
12:19:59 station put in, instead of the above-ground, but we need
12:20:03 either more ponds, or we need a new technology look at what
12:20:09 is going to be able to alleviate those areas.
12:20:14 I don't know what the answers are.
12:20:15 I am not a stormwater engineer.
12:20:17 But we really do need to have a more comprehensive and
12:20:24 longer outlook for how we are going to deal with it.
12:20:29 >>HARRY COHEN: Thank you, Councilman Montelione.
12:20:33 Councilman Capin.
12:20:36 >>YVONNE CAPIN: (off microphone) I would also like to find
12:20:45 out what grants we are applying for, what grants, you know,
12:20:51 federal, state grants, where are we in those terms?
12:20:56 And if you don't mind, that would be a friendly amendment to
12:21:02 your motion.
12:21:03 >>HARRY COHEN: There is no motion.
12:21:11 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I would like to know the grants we are
12:21:13 applying for, both state and federal.
12:21:15 >> We have been very successful in collaborating with the
12:21:19 Southwest Florida Water Management District, county, and as
12:21:22 you know on the duck pond project, DEP, engaged in a variety
12:21:28 of sources that we have been approaching, and we have been
12:21:31 very successful at integrating and leveraging those
12:21:34 additional dollars in our program.
12:21:35 >> Excellent.
12:21:36 And I would like to know what is in the pipeline, if you
12:21:41 Thank you.
12:21:41 >>HARRY COHEN: Well, thank you first of all, Councilman
12:21:47 Montelione, for bringing this issue up and for those
12:21:51 Anyone that's used them can see that is an untenable
12:21:54 situation for us to continue in, in a city of this says.
12:21:58 I also want to thank the public works department, because as
12:22:03 juxtaposition to Councilwoman Montelione's north district, I
12:22:07 represent of course the south district, and there is no
12:22:11 other issue that consumes as much of our time and energy are
12:22:20 as the issue of stormwater and street flooding.
12:22:22 And while it didn't hit South Tampa as heavily as north, it
12:22:25 created some massive issues, particularly on Bayshore
12:22:28 Boulevard, particularly on some of the residential streets
12:22:33 outside of that.
12:22:38 One of the reasons that I have pushed so hard to do things
12:22:40 like the today natural dredging project and for us to
12:22:43 continue to put infrastructure resources into things like
12:22:46 the pump stations that we put in, in the individual street
12:22:51 amelioration project, is because this is not just anesthetic
12:22:58 This is truly a public safety issue.
12:23:00 You can see that there is a real danger of cars being swept
12:23:05 away by this water.
12:23:07 And again, I want to thank the public works department,
12:23:09 because we had a problem a few years ago down on bay vista
12:23:18 and where it around people couldn't drive their cars, and
12:23:21 our public works department did get out there and did do the
12:23:23 work to fix the project.
12:23:26 On Gunby and Bayshore, the area that flooded so badly,
12:23:31 during this last storm, the work is being done right this
12:23:33 minute to ameliorate some of that.
12:23:36 The other issues that some of these neighbors have is, most
12:23:40 of the photographs that Councilwoman Montelione showed were
12:23:45 very bad flooding that over a period of a couple of days
12:23:48 ended up resolving itself and the water receded.
12:23:51 But we have certain neighborhoods whereby the waters did not
12:23:55 recede at all and collect for weeks and weeks at a time,
12:23:58 because breeding ground for mosquitoes.
12:24:04 And we have a number of streets that have been waiting
12:24:07 patiently for some assistance.
12:24:14 And for a rain event, they actually become impassable.
12:24:18 There are three streets in particular in South Tampa where
12:24:22 the residents are really truly almost at a breaking point.
12:24:25 Kensington, Edison and Marjorie.
12:24:29 I know the administration is going to be looking at how we
12:24:31 can assist those streets, and I appreciate that.
12:24:35 And I know that the neighbors that live in those areas
12:24:38 appreciate it.
12:24:39 Finally, before Councilwoman Mulhern has asked to speak, her
12:24:44 point is dead on.
12:24:46 This is going to get worse.
12:24:47 And it's not going to get worse.
12:24:50 I was going to say it's not our fault that it's going to get
12:24:53 worse but it is our fault that it's going to get worse.
12:24:55 It's our collective fault.
12:24:56 It's the problem of human beings burning fossil fuels and
12:25:02 continuing to grow that is causing the extreme weather
12:25:07 And as our infrastructure ages, we have got to stay on top
12:25:11 of continuing to fight against the problem that we all know
12:25:17 climate change is exacerbated.
12:25:20 So with that, Councilwoman Mulhern asked to speak on a
12:25:23 second round.
12:25:24 And if any of my other colleagues would like to, we'll open
12:25:27 the floor to them after she's finished.
12:25:29 >>MARY MULHERN: Thank you.
12:25:30 I had one question and then I'll make a motion and see if we
12:25:33 can agree on that.
12:25:39 I can't read this, but we know with the northeast portion of
12:25:46 the city, where the heaviest rainfall was during that storm,
12:25:53 So that just happened to be the weather pattern.
12:25:58 Is that consistently -- when you look at the storms we have,
12:26:04 did that area get hit harder because of just normal weather
12:26:07 Or it could be any anywhere?
12:26:09 It could have happened in South Tampa where Councilman Cohen
12:26:13 just -- where we are rate by the bay.
12:26:17 So it could have been worse.
12:26:23 If we got 8 inches or 7 inches.
12:26:25 So we need to look at the cost of even bigger because wave
12:26:30 to look at the whole city.
12:26:32 So I am going to suggest that we have a workshop on this,
12:26:37 how we are going to deal with flooding in these extreme
12:26:50 And with looking at the fact weather pattern changes because
12:26:57 of climate change, and I could, you know, we could have
12:27:01 somebody from SWFWMD and maybe someone from the NOAA to come
12:27:09 in and talk about that, or I could get someone from the
12:27:13 Tampa Bay estuary program who deals with seawater rise, but
12:27:20 they also look at, you know, they look at the bay and
12:27:22 everything, take.
12:27:23 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I'll second that.
12:27:30 >>HARRY COHEN: The next really date is October 23rd.
12:27:32 >> We aren't going to be able to do anything --
12:27:36 >>LISA MONTELIONE: It's going to be afternoon hurricane
12:27:39 >>HARRY COHEN: But it is a long-term issue.
12:27:41 >> I am going to make another one after that.
12:27:46 >>HARRY COHEN: You seconded it.
12:27:51 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I already seconded it.
12:27:54 And then some of the things that Mrs. Capin brought up as
12:27:57 So during the workshop on the 23rd, SWFWMD and NOAA, the
12:28:03 USF St. Petersburg campus coastal -- I can't remember --
12:28:10 CACHE, whatever, to have them come in because they have been
12:28:13 doing extensive work in this area for quite awhile.
12:28:23 CJ Reynold working with sustainability is working over there
12:28:27 now and she's a great resource.
12:28:29 I would like to also mention some of the things that Mrs.
12:28:31 Capin brought up.
12:28:33 Because while the statement is that we do receive a lot of
12:28:37 grants, and we are greatly, you know, always looking out for
12:28:43 what opportunities are available, I would like to
12:28:45 specifically know how many -- I think that's what Mrs. Capin
12:28:48 was getting to -- how many have we applied for?
12:28:51 And how many are in the pipeline, I think is the verbiage
12:28:56 that she used, right now.
12:28:59 And that way, maybe we can see if we need to expand our
12:29:05 search for grants.
12:29:08 And we do have a grant writer that was hired not long ago.
12:29:13 I would like to know how many she's got in process.
12:29:16 And that would be helpful or if you have a grant writer on
12:29:18 your own staff.
12:29:20 No, you do not.
12:29:21 So that would be helpful.
12:29:23 I would also like to include in not just the discussion of
12:29:27 the flooding but the aftermath of the flooding, because some
12:29:31 of the roads in my district, especially in this area, you
12:29:36 drive them, and you think that they are dirt roads, because
12:29:39 the asphalt is so degradated from the flooding that has been
12:29:45 occurring year after year after year that when I drove
12:29:48 around with Mr. Herr right after he was hired in the City of
12:29:55 Tampa with Alex Awad and we looked at all the stormwater
12:30:00 facilities, and going, Look at the streets, look at the
12:30:03 roads, look at the curbs, because it's deteriorating because
12:30:07 of the constant flooding.
12:30:08 And we did on May 27th, two weeks after the rain event,
12:30:14 the ground was so saturated that there was no percolation
12:30:18 happening at all.
12:30:19 So all of the areas that he saw flooded on the second were
12:30:23 flooded again on the 27th.
12:30:25 And we closed some roads and did, you know, that drill all
12:30:29 over again, because it's the frequency of storms that are
12:30:33 >> The water table raises.
12:30:36 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Right. Okay.
12:30:39 So those are the things individually to add to the workshop.
12:30:42 And as far as budget and finance goes, we really need to
12:30:48 address that portion of it.
12:30:51 And I had talked about looking at what other cities are
12:30:54 doing to keep up with this and found that information that
12:31:00 was provided by our department, that the stormwater fees
12:31:07 that's charged here in the City of Tampa is at the bottom of
12:31:10 the barrel when you look at the stormwater fees all over the
12:31:14 So we are not keeping up with other areas as far as the
12:31:21 revenue we are taking in.
12:31:23 And I have revenues, or sheets from the meeting that I had
12:31:28 with budget and finance and maybe Mrs. Little you can
12:31:30 address the financial portion of it.
12:31:35 124 okay, I have a motion on the floor.
12:31:38 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Take the motion for the workshop and
12:31:42 then hear from Mrs. Little.
12:31:44 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: The motion made by Mrs. Mulhern, seconded
12:31:48 by Mrs. Montelione.
12:31:50 The one that made the motion makes sure that those
12:31:52 individuals are coming on October 23rd.
12:31:56 I put the burden back on the maker of the motion.
12:31:58 >> I'll help.
12:32:00 >>MARY MULHERN: Oh, yeah.
12:32:01 The people I talked about inviting?
12:32:04 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Right.
12:32:04 >>MARY MULHERN: Yes, I'll do that.
12:32:07 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: October 23rd at what time?
12:32:12 9:00 in the morning Tampa year 2014.
12:32:17 Motion made by Mrs. Mulhern.
12:32:19 Seconded by Mrs. Montelione.
12:32:20 All in favor of that motion?
12:32:23 The ayes have it unanimously.
12:32:25 Mrs. Little.
12:32:30 >>SONYA LITTLE: Good afternoon.
12:32:33 Sonya Little, revenue and finance.
12:32:36 I believe the request that was made was for the revenue and
12:32:39 finance department to give an overview of the stormwater
12:32:42 And if I can just briefly just give you a figure as it
12:32:47 relates to our current fiscal year 2014 budget, as it stands
12:32:52 right now, as councilwoman alluded to, stormwater fees,
12:33:01 roughly $6.2 million is what we are budgeted for, for the
12:33:04 2014 fiscal you're.
12:33:06 Of that amount, 4.9 million, roughly, goes to right-of-way
12:33:13 department, in which paving and street sweeping and so forth
12:33:18 are part of our stormwater system on the operating side.
12:33:23 In addition to the stormwater department we have a budget
12:33:29 obviously for the capital portion.
12:33:31 So the capital portion, which includes transfers from our
12:33:35 utility tax fund, as well as grants and other sources of
12:33:40 revenue for the 15 -- I'm sorry, for the '14 fiscal year, we
12:33:46 are budgeted for $15.5 million to satisfy the capital needs
12:33:52 for the stormwater department, whereas the prior fiscal
12:33:56 year, fiscal year 2013 we were budgeted at 7 .350 million.
12:34:08 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I need a motion to go -- let me tell you.
12:34:10 I have about 12 second hearings.
12:34:13 I have a couple of first hearings.
12:34:15 We are not going to make in the 30 minutes.
12:34:17 >>LISA MONTELIONE: We are breaking for lunch of a after
12:34:24 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: That's what I wanted to ask, because it's
12:34:28 Any other discussion on this item, item number 8?
12:34:32 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I was going to make a motion for Mrs.
12:34:35 Little to come back with Mr. Perry to have -- maybe we can
12:34:40 do it during the workshop as well.
12:34:42 I don't know if you want to do it -- Mrs. Mulhern, to talk
12:34:47 about the financial picture, and what we can do looking at
12:34:50 other options for stormwater and public works funding.
12:34:56 Do you want to do that during the workshop or do that
12:34:59 The funding peace.
12:35:00 >>MARY MULHERN: We may just want to have the workshop and
12:35:07 you can be here, but part of what we are going to talk about
12:35:11 might be funding options.
12:35:12 >>LISA MONTELIONE: So it would take you that long to --
12:35:18 >>MARY MULHERN: If the department could come back with some
12:35:23 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I'll make the motion to add to the
12:35:24 workshop on October 23rd to look to have budget finance
12:35:29 come back with our grant writer to look at funding options.
12:35:41 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Back to the original motion.
12:35:42 But was that vote taken on the motion?
12:35:46 Okay, so we are going to add that?
12:35:49 Let me make that motion because I want it in the record.
12:35:53 I have a motion by Mrs. Montelione to add to the original
12:35:55 motion that was made by Mrs. Mulhern and Mrs. Montelione.
12:35:58 Seconded this motion by Mrs. Capin.
12:36:01 All in favor of the motion, please indicate by saying -- to
12:36:04 add that further language in the original motion, please
12:36:07 indicate by saying aye.
12:36:08 Opposed nay.
12:36:09 The ayes have it unanimously.
12:36:10 We are going to be in recess till 2:00, an hour and a half
12:36:14 or so.
12:36:15 Mrs. Mulhern.
12:36:15 >>MARY MULHERN: Can I just move for continuance for 9 and
12:36:23 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: When we come back.
12:36:24 We stand in recess till 2:00.
12:36:27 >> (City Council meeting in recess.)
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2:00 p.m. session
02:08:56 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: City Council is called to order.
02:08:57 Roll call.
02:08:58 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Here.
02:08:58 >>FRANK REDDICK: Here.
02:09:05 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Present.
02:09:08 >>HARRY COHEN: Here.
02:09:09 >>MARY MULHERN: Here.
02:09:11 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Here.
02:09:11 We are on 9 and 10.
02:09:13 I believe Mrs. Mulhern will make a motion to that effect.
02:09:15 >>MARY MULHERN: I make a motion to continue both those
02:09:20 items to June 19th workshop agenda, 9 a.m.
02:09:28 >>HARRY COHEN: Second.
02:09:32 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: That second was a tie.
02:09:33 I have a motion by Mrs. Mulhern, second by Mr. Suarez on a
02:09:37 close vote with Mr. Cohen.
02:09:41 Anyone in the public care to speak on 9 and 10 on the
02:09:44 continuation to the day of June 19th at 9:00 a.m.?
02:09:48 Seeing none, I'll take the vote.
02:09:49 All in favor of the motion please indicate by saying aye.
02:09:52 Opposed nay.
02:09:53 The ayes have it unanimously.
02:09:56 Now we go to, I believe, unfinished business.
02:10:01 And no reports.
02:10:03 We go to items being presented for public hearing by City
02:10:07 Council for consent.
02:10:08 Item number 65.
02:10:09 >> Move to set the public hearings.
02:10:17 >> Setting a public hearing for June 26th at 6 p.m. and
02:10:25 July 17th at 10:30 a.m.
02:10:27 All in favor? Opposed? The ayes have it unanimously.
02:10:29 Now we go to public hearings, second reading, proposed
02:10:33 ordinance item number 66.
02:10:35 I think I opened all of these.
02:10:36 I opened 67 through 79 and did not open 66.
02:10:44 Motion by Mrs. Montelione to open 66.
02:10:46 A second by Mr. Cohen to open 66.
02:10:50 All in favor?
02:10:51 The ayes have it unanimously.
02:10:57 Ordinance for second reading.
02:11:00 Is petitioner here?
02:11:01 >>JULIA MANDELL: City attorney.
02:11:06 This is an ordinance which would amend our code to allow the
02:11:10 bicycle share shelter, has signage and advertising on them.
02:11:14 This is second reading.
02:11:15 We have discussed it at first reading.
02:11:18 If you have any questions I'm available.
02:11:20 >>HARRY COHEN: If I remember correctly there were some
02:11:24 provisions that did not allow for the advertising in a
02:11:28 couple of naked.
02:11:29 >> The ordinance only designates those areas where they are
02:11:32 allowed and if they are not within those areas they are not
02:11:35 Thank you.
02:11:38 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion to close.
02:11:40 Anyone in the public care to speak on item 66?
02:11:42 I don't see any.
02:11:43 I have a motion to close by Mrs. Montelione, second by Mr.
02:11:46 All in favor of the motion?
02:11:48 The ayes have it unanimously.
02:11:56 Number 66, Mrs. Montelione.
02:11:57 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Microphone.
02:12:00 Here we go.
02:12:01 I move an ordinance being presented for second reading and
02:12:03 dogs, ordinance of the city of Tampa, Florida making
02:12:06 revisions total City of Tampa code ordinances chapter 22,
02:12:09 streets and sidewalks amending article 1, subdivision 4 --
02:12:16 division 3, subdivision 4, benches displaying advertising,
02:12:19 repealing all ordinances or parts of ordinances in conflict
02:12:22 therewith, providing for severability, providing an
02:12:25 effective date.
02:12:31 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Motion by Mrs. Montelione.
02:12:33 Second by Mr. Suarez.
02:12:34 Roll call vote.
02:12:35 Vote and record.
02:12:36 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried unanimously.
02:12:44 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: We go to item number 67.
02:12:53 >>ABBYE FEELEY: Land Development Coordination.
02:12:54 Item 67 and 69 both require certified site plans.
02:12:59 Those plans have been certified and provided to the clerk.
02:13:04 Staff is available for any questions.
02:13:06 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you.
02:13:06 Anyone in the audience care to speak on item number 67?
02:13:10 I see none.
02:13:11 Need a motion to close.
02:13:13 I have a motion by Mr. Reddick, seconded by Mr. Cohen to
02:13:16 All in favor of the motion?
02:13:19 The ayes have it unanimously.
02:13:20 Mr. Cohen, would you kindly read the ordinance, please?
02:13:22 >>HARRY COHEN: I move an ordinance being presented for
02:13:26 second reading and adoption, an ordinance approving a
02:13:29 special use permit S-2 for alcoholic beverage sales, small
02:13:33 venue, consumption on premises only and making lawful the
02:13:37 sale of beverages regardless of alcoholic content, beer wine
02:13:40 and liquor, on that certain lot, plot or tract of land
02:13:44 located at 2223 North Westshore Boulevard, unit B-227,
02:13:50 Tampa, Florida as more particularly described in section 2
02:13:52 than that all ordinances or parts of ordinances in conflict
02:13:56 are repealed, providing an effective date.
02:13:59 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion by Mr. Cohen, a second by
02:14:01 Mr. Suarez.
02:14:02 Roll call vote.
02:14:03 Vote and record.
02:14:03 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried unanimously.
02:14:13 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Item number 68.
02:14:17 Is petitioner here?
02:14:22 Anyone in the audience care to speak on number 68?
02:14:31 All right.
02:14:32 Let me do this biff go any further.
02:14:33 These are quasi-judicial hearings.
02:14:36 Anyone who is going to speak on 68 through 79, you have to
02:14:45 get sworn in.
02:14:46 Please raise your hand and get sworn in.
02:14:52 Your other right hand, DiMaio.
02:14:56 (Oath administered by Clerk)
02:15:04 Item 68.
02:15:07 Anyone on 68?
02:15:09 Already took the motion to close.
02:15:11 That was fast.
02:15:12 Am I correct?
02:15:14 Need a motion to close 68.
02:15:17 I have a motion by Mr. Cohen, second by Mrs. Montelione.
02:15:20 All in favor of the motion to close 68 please signify by
02:15:23 saying aye.
02:15:23 Opposed nay.
02:15:25 The ayes have it unanimously.
02:15:26 Mrs. Mulhern, would you kindly take number 68, please?
02:15:30 >>MARY MULHERN: I move an ordinance being presented for
02:15:32 second reading and adoption, an ordinance rezoning property
02:15:34 in the general vicinity of 303 and 305 east Dr. Martin
02:15:38 Luther King Jr. Boulevard in the city of Tampa, Florida and
02:15:41 more particularly described in section 1 from zoning
02:15:46 district classification RS-50 residential single-family, CG,
02:15:52 commercial general, providing an effective date.
02:15:55 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion by Mrs. Mulhern, second
02:15:58 by Mr. Cohen on 68.
02:16:00 Roll call vote.
02:16:01 Vote and record.
02:16:04 Number 68.
02:16:04 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried unanimously.
02:16:08 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Item number 69. 69.
02:16:14 Is petitioner here?
02:16:16 Do you want to speak? Good.
02:16:20 Anyone in the audience care to speak on number 69 from the
02:16:24 I have a motion to close by Mr. Reddick.
02:16:26 Seconded by Mrs. Capin.
02:16:27 All in favor of the motion to close?
02:16:30 The ayes have it unanimously.
02:16:31 Mr. Reddick, would you kindly take number 69, please?
02:16:34 >>FRANK REDDICK: Move an ordinance being presented for
02:16:37 second reading and adoption, an ordinance rezoning property
02:16:39 in the general vicinity of 1725 west Kenned Kennedy
02:16:43 Boulevard and 1718 west North "A" street in the city of
02:16:47 Tampa, Florida and more particularly described in section 1
02:16:50 from zoning district classification PD planned development,
02:16:53 office, business professional, to planned development,
02:16:56 office, business, professional and medical, research
02:16:59 facility, laboratory and medical and dental, and/or bank
02:17:03 walk-in, providing an effective date.
02:17:05 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Motion by Mr. Reddick, second by Mr.
02:17:08 Roll call vote.
02:17:09 Vote and record.
02:17:10 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried unanimously.
02:17:20 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Item 70.
02:17:22 Is petitioner here on 70?
02:17:24 Do you want to speak?
02:17:34 >> Good afternoon.
02:17:35 My name is Martin Benstick, and the consultant has been
02:17:41 working on this had a dental emergency and couldn't take it
02:17:44 so he asked me to come down and see if there's any
02:17:48 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Any questions by council members?
02:17:50 Anyone in the audience care to speak on item number 70?
02:17:54 I see no one.
02:17:55 Do you want rebuttal?
02:17:57 [ Laughter ]
02:18:00 I just thought I would ask you.
02:18:03 I have a motion to close by Mr. Cohen.
02:18:06 I have a second by Mr. Reddick.
02:18:08 All in favor of the motion to close by saying aye.
02:18:10 Opposed nay.
02:18:11 The ayes have it unanimously.
02:18:13 Mrs. Capin, would you take number 70?
02:18:16 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Ordinance being presented for second reading
02:18:18 and adoption, an ordinance rezoning property in the general
02:18:20 vicinity of 3608 west Euclid Avenue in the city of Tampa,
02:18:24 Florida and more particularly described in section 1 from
02:18:27 zoning district classifications RO residential office top RS
02:18:32 50 residential single-family, providing an effective date.
02:18:36 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion by Mrs. Capone.
02:18:38 I have a second by Mr. Suarez.
02:18:40 Roll call vote.
02:18:41 Vote and record.
02:18:41 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried unanimously.
02:18:51 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
02:18:51 Item number 71.
02:18:54 Anyone in the audience care to speak?
02:18:56 Is petitioner here on 717?
02:18:59 Do you want to speak?
02:19:01 Anyone in the audience care to speak on item 71?
02:19:03 I see no one.
02:19:04 I have a motion to close by Mr. Reddick, seconded by Mrs.
02:19:09 Discussion by council members?
02:19:09 All in favor?
02:19:11 The ayes have it unanimously.
02:19:13 Would you kindly take number 71, please?
02:19:17 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I present an ordinance for second reading
02:19:21 and adoption, an ordinance rezoning property in the general
02:19:25 vicinity of 2807 north 35th street in the city of Tampa,
02:19:28 Florida and more particularly described in section 1 from
02:19:30 zoning district CI to CG providing an effective date.
02:19:34 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Motion by Mr. Suarez.
02:19:35 I have a second by Mr. Reddick.
02:19:38 Roll call.
02:19:39 Vote and record.
02:19:40 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried unanimously.
02:19:49 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Item number 72.
02:19:51 Is petitioner here?
02:20:02 >>GINA GRIMES: Hill, Ward, Henderson, 101 East Kennedy and I
02:20:05 have been sworn.
02:20:06 I'm just here in case you have any questions.
02:20:10 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Any questions by council members?
02:20:12 Anyone in the audience care to speak on item 72?
02:20:15 I see no one.
02:20:16 I have a motion to close by Mr. Reddick, second by Mr.
02:20:19 Further discussion by council members?
02:20:20 All in favor of the motion please say aye.
02:20:23 Opposed nay.
02:20:24 The ayes have it unanimous to close.
02:20:25 Mrs. Montelione, would you kindly take number 72, please?
02:20:29 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I move an ordinance for second reading
02:20:31 and adoption, an ordinance rezoning property in the general
02:20:33 vicinity of 4115 east Busch Boulevard in the city of Tampa,
02:20:36 Florida and more particularly described in section 1 from
02:20:39 zoning district classifications PD planned development,
02:20:42 restaurant, to CG, commercial general, providing an
02:20:44 effective date.
02:20:44 >> Second.
02:20:47 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion for passage by Mrs.
02:20:48 Montelione, second by Mr. Cohen.
02:20:50 Roll call vote.
02:20:51 Vote and record.
02:20:51 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried unanimously.
02:20:59 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Item number 73.
02:21:01 Thank you all very much for attending.
02:21:04 >> Truett Gardner, on behalf of item number 73 and 75 here
02:21:12 to answer any questions you may have.
02:21:13 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: All right.
02:21:14 73 first.
02:21:14 Anyone in the audience care to speak on item number 73?
02:21:19 I have a motion to close by Mr. Reddick.
02:21:21 Second by Mr. Cohen.
02:21:23 All in favor of that motion please indicate by saying aye.
02:21:25 Opposed nay.
02:21:25 The ayes have it unanimously.
02:21:27 Mr. Cohen, would you kindly take number 73, please?
02:21:30 >>HARRY COHEN: Move an ordinance being presented for second
02:21:33 reading and adoption, an ordinance rezoning property in the
02:21:36 general vicinity of 2406 north Morgan street in the city of
02:21:40 Tampa, Florida and more particularly described in section 1
02:21:43 from zoning district classifications CI commercial intensive
02:21:47 to RS-50, residential single-family, providing an effective
02:21:51 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion by Mr. Cohen, I have a
02:21:55 second by Mr. Suarez.
02:21:56 Roll call vote.
02:21:58 Vote and record.
02:21:58 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried unanimously.
02:22:06 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Item number 74 was earlier, moved to June
02:22:10 26th if I recall.
02:22:13 We go to item number 75.
02:22:14 >>BARBARA LYNCH: Land Development Coordination.
02:22:17 I'm here to answer any questions.
02:22:20 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Any questions by council members?
02:22:21 Anyone in the audience care to speak on item number 75?
02:22:23 I see no one.
02:22:24 I need a motion to close.
02:22:26 I have a motion by Mr. Suarez, second by Mrs. Mulhern.
02:22:29 All in favor of the motion to close?
02:22:32 The ayes have it unanimously.
02:22:33 Mrs. Mulhern, would you kindly take number 75, please?
02:22:37 >>MARY MULHERN: I move AP ordinance being presented for
02:22:39 second reading and adoption, an ordinance vacating, closing,
02:22:41 discontinuing, abandoning an alleyway lying east of Tampa
02:22:45 Street, west of Florida Avenue, south of Amelia Avenue, and
02:22:49 north of Frances Avenue in plan of Munro and McIntosh's
02:22:54 addition, a subdivision in the City of Tampa, Hillsborough
02:22:56 County Florida the same being more fully described in
02:22:59 section 1 hereof subject to certain easement reservations,
02:23:03 covenants and conditions and restrictions more particularly
02:23:06 set forth herein providing an effective date.
02:23:09 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: A motion by Mrs. Mulhern, second by Mr.
02:23:12 Roll call vote.
02:23:14 Vote and record.
02:23:14 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried unanimously.
02:23:21 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you for all of you appearing.
02:23:23 Number 76.
02:23:29 >>ABBYE FEELEY: Land development.
02:23:35 Mr. Horner was here this morning concerning the plan
02:23:38 He may have spoken to you.
02:23:41 He was here for the second reading.
02:23:44 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
02:23:45 Anyone in the audience care to speak on item 76?
02:23:47 I see no one.
02:23:48 I have a motion toe close by Mr. Reddick, second by Mr.
02:23:51 All in favor of the motion?
02:23:54 The ayes have it unanimously.
02:23:55 Mr. Reddick, would you kindly take number 76, please?
02:24:00 >>FRANK REDDICK: Move an ordinance presented for second
02:24:01 reading and adoption, an ordinance amending the Tampa
02:24:04 comprehensive plan, future land use map, property located in
02:24:07 the general vicinity of north 50th street, east Dr.
02:24:15 Martin Luther King Jr. Boulevard, Temple Street and east
02:24:18 32nd Avenue, from community mixed use 35, CMU 35,to
02:24:21 community commercial 35, providing for repeal of all
02:24:25 ordinances in conflict, providing for severability,
02:24:28 providing an effective date.
02:24:29 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion for approval by Mr.
02:24:30 Reddick, second by Mr. Cohen.
02:24:33 Roll call vote. Vote and record.
02:24:34 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried unanimously.
02:24:44 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Item 77, same thing, I believe is
02:24:49 petitioner here?
02:24:50 All right.
02:24:52 Petitioner and I discussed and I saw that he had a problem
02:24:55 in Pasco County to leave, that we would do whatever we could
02:24:58 to facilitate.
02:24:59 That's what we are doing now.
02:25:00 Anyone in the audience care to speak on item number 77?
02:25:04 Better known as the Red Grange? I see no one. I have a
02:25:10 motion to close by Mr. Suarez.
02:25:13 Second by Mrs. Capin.
02:25:14 All in favor?
02:25:15 The ayes have it unanimously.
02:25:17 Mrs. Capin, would you take number 77, please?
02:25:20 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Yes, Mr. Chairman.
02:25:23 An ordinance being presented for second reading and
02:25:25 adoption, an ordinance amending the Tampa comprehensive
02:25:28 plan, future land use map for the property located in the
02:25:31 general vicinity of west Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.
02:25:35 Boulevard, north Armenia Avenue, and north Melton street
02:25:41 from community mixed use 35 CMU 35 and residential 10, R-10,
02:25:46 to community mixed use 35, CMU-35, providing for repeal of
02:25:50 all ordinances in conflict, providing for severability,
02:25:54 providing an effective date.
02:25:56 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion by Mrs. Capin for
02:25:58 Second by Mr. Suarez.
02:25:59 Roll call vote.
02:26:00 Vote and record on 77.
02:26:02 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried unanimously.
02:26:11 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: On 78 we would hold it till after lunch
02:26:13 and it is after lunch.
02:26:14 >>REBECCA KERT: Legal department.
02:26:16 We appreciate council giving us additional time.
02:26:20 We have several witnesses that we plan on calling.
02:26:22 We have one that's indispensable because he was the
02:26:25 He is a police officer and he has -- I know he's scheduled
02:26:29 for vacation because he moved it for the June 26th.
02:26:33 I am not sure how long he will be gone in July.
02:26:36 At this point if City Council doesn't want to hear it we
02:26:42 would request the 31st.
02:26:44 I think most likely he will be back at that point. If not
02:26:46 we will ask for another continuance.
02:26:49 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: July 31st.
02:26:50 You are talking about the 31st of July?
02:26:53 >>REBECCA KERT: Yes, sir.
02:26:53 Thank you.
02:26:55 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Any questions by council members,
02:26:56 comments on July 31st?
02:27:00 I guess that's an acceptable date.
02:27:03 That was number 78.
02:27:04 >> (off microphone).
02:27:14 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Second.
02:27:15 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Anyone want to talk about this
02:27:18 I see no objections.
02:27:19 I have a motion by Mrs. Mulhern.
02:27:20 Second by Mrs. Capin for 78 to be moved to July 31st,
02:27:25 the year 2014, at what time?
02:27:28 10:30 in the morning.
02:27:29 All in favor of the motion please indicate by saying aye.
02:27:32 Opposed nay.
02:27:32 The ayes have it unanimously.
02:27:33 Thank you all very much.
02:27:36 We go to item number 79.
02:27:37 >>BARBARA LYNCH: Land Development Coordination.
02:27:44 VAC-14-11 is a request by the applicant to vacate an alley
02:27:49 locate, the alley between ADALEE and Braddock street and
02:28:01 runs Decatur to Harding Avenue.
02:28:08 The alley is unimproved and there are some fences, but I
02:28:12 think it was so overgrown but this is the alley east from
02:28:18 Decatur, and here is a photo of the alley, looking west from
02:28:24 And this is a picture of the applicant property.
02:28:28 Staff has no objection to this request.
02:28:30 Wastewater easement does need to be reserved for utilities.
02:28:37 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Anyone in the audience care to speak on
02:28:39 item 79?
02:28:41 >> No.
02:28:46 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Any others? This is first reading or
02:28:48 second reading? First reading.
02:28:49 >> Yes, sir.
02:28:51 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: One more time.
02:28:52 Anyone in the audience care to speak on 79?
02:28:54 I see no one.
02:28:55 I have a motion to close by Mr. Could even, second by Mr.
02:28:58 All in favor?
02:29:00 The ayes have it unanimously.
02:29:05 Mr. Suarez, would you take number 79?
02:29:07 I want to make sure your name came up.
02:29:09 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I'll take it.
02:29:16 I present an ordinance for first reading consideration, an
02:29:18 ordinance vacating, closing, discontinuing, and abandoning
02:29:22 an alleyway lying north of Braddock street south of ADALEE
02:29:27 street east of Decatur Avenue and west of Harding Avenue in
02:29:31 plan of river Heights -- actually there's a scrivener's
02:29:34 error, I thought, I believe it's Riverside Heights.
02:29:39 Let me double check.
02:29:41 I apologize, but I want to make sure that we don't come.
02:29:45 I guess it says river Heights.
02:29:47 We won't call it Riverside Heights.
02:29:49 So river Heights subdivision, a subdivision in the City of
02:29:53 Tampa, Hillsborough County Florida the same being more fully
02:29:56 described in section 1 hereof subject to certain easement
02:30:00 reservation, covenants, conditions and restrictions more
02:30:03 particularly set forth herein providing an effective date.
02:30:05 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion by Mr. Suarez for first
02:30:07 reading, second by Mr. Reddick on item number 9.
02:30:10 All in favor of that motion please indicate by saying aye.
02:30:13 Opposed nay.
02:30:14 The ayes have it unanimously.
02:30:15 >> Held on June 26th 20:14 at 9:30 a.m.
02:30:24 >>BARBARA LYNCH: The association is Riverside Heights but
02:30:29 river Heights --
02:30:31 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I noticed it when I looked at the plat.
02:30:33 So thank you.
02:30:44 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Okay, information reports and new
02:30:45 business by council members.
02:30:47 Mr. Suarez.
02:30:47 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you, chair.
02:30:51 The first is some good news.
02:30:53 We talk about baseball championships all the time here.
02:30:56 We did have a baseball championship, we weren't in session
02:31:01 last week, and I would like to have a commendation for the
02:31:04 Jesuit high school 5-A state baseball championships.
02:31:09 They won last week.
02:31:10 We would like a commendation to congratulate their players
02:31:13 and coaches on their great Run.
02:31:16 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Motion by Mr. Suarez.
02:31:17 I have a second by Mrs. Mulhern.
02:31:20 >>HARRY COHEN: Give a date?
02:31:22 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: You are going to make that date with
02:31:25 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Yes.
02:31:29 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: All in favor?
02:31:31 The ayes have it unanimously.
02:31:32 What else, sir?
02:31:33 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I have one other thing.
02:31:35 Yesterday, the sad news about Mr. Smith passed away, a great
02:31:40 It's strange.
02:31:41 Bill Poe passed away about three weeks ago.
02:31:44 Gary Smith just passed away.
02:31:46 He was at the funeral and he did not look good.
02:31:48 And I'm sorry to hear that he did pass away.
02:31:51 He's a great guy in terms of learning how government works,
02:31:54 and making government work, which doesn't happen all the
02:31:56 time anymore.
02:31:57 When you see Congress the way they react and the way that
02:32:00 our legislature sometimes reacts, it's good to know that
02:32:03 there were people back from the 70s and 80s that were
02:32:06 able to make our government work, and work in a very
02:32:08 progressive and good manner.
02:32:10 So my thoughts and prayers are out to the family, and I
02:32:14 assume all members of council.
02:32:16 Thank you, chair.
02:32:17 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Mrs. Capin?
02:32:19 >>YVONNE CAPIN: On that note I just want to say my husband,
02:32:22 when he was right out of USF, came to work at model cities
02:32:27 and worked with Al Gary and held him in high esteem.
02:32:33 He was very knowledgeable and understood the process.
02:32:37 So with that, I do have something here.
02:32:43 The nomination by Councilman Reddick for Stephanie L. Tripp,
02:32:51 an assistant professor of communication at the University of
02:32:53 Tampa for a seat at the economic impact of cultural assets
02:32:59 We need to vote on that.
02:33:02 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Motion by Mrs. Capin, a second by Mr.
02:33:04 Reddick, on that person being named to that committee.
02:33:07 All in favor? Opposed?
02:33:11 Ayes have it unanimously.
02:33:12 Anything else?
02:33:14 Well, Mr. Reddick, I guess you have nothing to say.
02:33:18 Mr. Reddick, anything else?
02:33:29 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Wait a minute.
02:33:33 I couldn't read the handwriting.
02:33:35 >>FRANK REDDICK: Just one item, Mr. Chair.
02:33:39 I want to request that Michael Hatchett appear before
02:33:44 council to give us an update on the status on pastor Frank
02:33:53 Williams property.
02:34:00 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: What date?
02:34:01 >>FRANK REDDICK: June 26th.
02:34:02 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion by Mr. Reddick, a second
02:34:04 by Mrs. Mulhern.
02:34:05 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: All in favor of the motion?
02:34:07 The ayes have it unanimously.
02:34:09 Anything else, sir?
02:34:10 Thank you very much.
02:34:10 Mrs. Mulhern?
02:34:11 >>MARY MULHERN: I have one item.
02:34:14 I would like to request a staff report from land
02:34:19 development, transportation, within the land development.
02:34:26 I would like them to compile an inventory of past approvals
02:34:31 related to parking, including valet use in SoHo, on South
02:34:41 Howard Avenue between Kennedy and Bayshore, in order to
02:34:45 determine the actual practice and changes.
02:34:50 This is a request from the historic Hyde Park neighborhood
02:34:55 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion --
02:34:56 >> And now from council.
02:34:58 >>HARRY COHEN: When do you want to do that?
02:35:00 >>MARY MULHERN: When is our next regular meeting?
02:35:05 >>HARRY COHEN: June 26th which is a really busy agenda.
02:35:09 The 17th of July.
02:35:10 >>MARY MULHERN: Well, they have already had a month it.
02:35:17 >>HARRY COHEN: July 17th?
02:35:18 >>MARY MULHERN: Yes, July 17th.
02:35:22 Is that the first -- maybe we can go to the next one.
02:35:25 >>MARY MULHERN: July 31st.
02:35:27 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Motion by Mrs. Mulhern for July 31st
02:35:30 at 10:30 in the morning.
02:35:33 Motion made by Mrs. Mulhern.
02:35:35 Seconded by Mr. Cohen.
02:35:36 All in favor of that motion, please indicate by saying aye.
02:35:39 Opposed nay.
02:35:42 Passed unanimously.
02:35:43 Anything else, Mrs. Mulhern?
02:35:44 >>MARY MULHERN: No, that's it.
02:35:46 >>HARRY COHEN: No, sir.
02:35:47 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Mr. Cohen, you're very kind to the chair.
02:35:49 Mrs. Montelione.
02:35:50 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Just one.
02:35:52 The commendation for Tanja Vidovic and the individual
02:35:57 companies who donated materials and supplies for the edible
02:36:05 plantings and street orchard plantings has been cleared to
02:36:11 attend on the 26th.
02:36:13 >> Seconded by Mr. Cohen.
02:36:15 Further discussion by council members?
02:36:16 All in favor of the motion?
02:36:19 The ayes have it unanimously.
02:36:20 In addition else, ma'am?
02:36:23 Thank you all very much.
02:36:23 On that note, also, the passing away of a good friend of
02:36:27 mine, sent flowers up in Cincinnati, Don Zimmer, Pete Rose,
02:36:30 and talk about the old game and the passing away was not
02:36:35 only a very knowledgeable guy, but like a straight man, a
02:36:40 great guy to be around with, and we are going to be miss
02:36:44 Okay, I need a motion to receive and file all the documents.
02:36:47 I have a motion by Mrs. Montelione.
02:36:49 Second by Mr. Cohen.
02:36:50 All in favor of that motion? Opposed?
02:36:52 The ayes have it unanimously.
02:36:54 General public comments, any 512 of you left want to speak
02:36:57 to this council at this time, please come forward.
02:37:02 Now we are down to 511.
02:37:04 >> I just want to say --
02:37:10 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Your name?
02:37:10 >> I'm sorry, my name is Davian -- I do want to say I
02:37:15 appreciate you taking the time to honor my alma mater
02:37:19 because they won the state championship.
02:37:20 >> I'm sorry, alma mater?
02:37:24 >> Right.
02:37:25 I want to say I thank you for recognizing my alma mater.
02:37:29 I'm a Jesuit alum.
02:37:30 I appreciate you for recognizing the state championship.
02:37:34 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I went to Jesuit.
02:37:35 Not to attend the school.
02:37:37 I just rode through it.
02:37:38 My son went there.
02:37:40 Well, thank you very much, sir.
02:37:42 Anyone else?
02:37:44 Any other things to come before this council?
02:37:46 We stand adjourned.
02:38:56 (The Council meeting adjourned)
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