Tampa City Council
Thursday, September 17, 2009
9:00 a.m.
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09/17/09 09:02:50 >> THE COUNCIL WILL NOW
09/17/09 09:02:50 COME TO
09/17/09 09:02:50 ORDER.
09/17/09 09:02:52 >> GOOD MORNING.
09/17/09 09:02:55 IT IS MY
09/17/09 09:02:57 HONOR TO INTRODUCE
09/17/09 09:02:59 LENORE RUSSELL, WITH THE CITY
09/17/09 09:03:02 OF TAMPA OFFICE OF HOUSING AND
09/17/09 09:03:04 COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.
09/17/09 09:03:05 MRS.RUSSELL GREW UP IN THE
09/17/09 09:03:08 CHARLESTON SOUTH CAROLINA AREA
09/17/09 09:03:10 WHICH HAS THE DUBIOUS
09/17/09 09:03:13 DISTINCTION OF HAVING ONE OF
09/17/09 09:03:16 THE OLDEST SLAVE
09/17/09 09:03:18 MARTS IN THE
09/17/09 09:03:19 UNITED STATES.
09/17/09 09:03:22 GRADUATED FROM MARYLAND COLLEGE
09/17/09 09:03:25 WITH A BACHELOR'S DEGREE IN
09/17/09 09:03:25 JOURNALISM.
09/17/09 09:03:27 SHE IS MARRIED TO HER
09/17/09 09:03:27 SWEETHEART.
09/17/09 09:03:30 THEY MOVED TO TAMPA IN 1982 AS
09/17/09 09:03:33 SHE BEGAN HER CAREER WITH THE
09/17/09 09:03:36 CITY OF TAMPA WHERE SHE
09/17/09 09:03:37 HAS
09/17/09 09:03:40 SERVED FOR OVER 26
09/17/09 09:03:40 YEARS.
09/17/09 09:03:43 A SPORTS FAN FOR BASKETBALL,
09/17/09 09:03:46 FOOTBALL, AND
09/17/09 09:03:48 BASEBALL.
09/17/09 09:03:49 ADULT SONS JEREMIAH, MARCUS,
09/17/09 09:03:52 AND ANTONIO AND
09/17/09 09:03:53 EXTREMELY
09/17/09 09:03:56 BEAUTIFUL AND
09/17/09 09:03:58 TALENTED 2-YEAR-
09/17/09 09:03:59 OLD GIRL.
09/17/09 09:04:00 MISSIONARY BAPTIST CHURCH.
09/17/09 09:04:01 SHE ASSISTS WITH THE ATHLETIC
09/17/09 09:04:03 MINISTRY AT HER CHURCH AND
09/17/09 09:04:06 SERVES AS VICE PRESIDENT OF THE
09/17/09 09:04:08 CITY OF TAMPA BLACK HISTORY
09/17/09 09:04:11 COMMITTEE AN ACTIVE MEMBER
09/17/09 09:04:12 FOR
09/17/09 09:04:14 10 YEARS.
09/17/09 09:04:16 PLEASE STAND AND WELCOME MRS.
09/17/09 09:04:19 LENORE RUSSELL AND REMAIN
09/17/09 09:04:22 STANDING FOR THE PLEDGE OF
09/17/09 09:04:22 ALLEGIANCE.
09/17/09 09:04:23 >> WE THANK YOU SOVEREIGN LORD
09/17/09 09:04:26 GOD THAT WE ARE ABLE TO OPEN
09/17/09 09:04:29 THIS PUBLIC MEETING
09/17/09 09:04:30 IN PRAYER,
09/17/09 09:04:31 PRAISE, AND THANKSGIVING.
09/17/09 09:04:33 IN 1776 THE FOREFATHERS OF THE
09/17/09 09:04:34 UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
09/17/09 09:04:36 CREATED A GOVERNMENT OF THE
09/17/09 09:04:39 PEOPLE, BY THE PEOPLE, AND FOR
09/17/09 09:04:40 THE PEOPLE.
09/17/09 09:04:42 TAMPA'S LOCAL GOVERNMENT IS A
09/17/09 09:04:45 RESULT AND CONTINUATION OF THAT
09/17/09 09:04:48 CREATION WHERE THE HONORABLE
09/17/09 09:04:49 --
09/17/09 09:04:51 SERVED AS MAYOR AND OUR
09/17/09 09:04:53 CHAIRPERSON REVEREND DR. THOMAS
09/17/09 09:04:56 SCOTT OF
09/17/09 09:04:58 THE CITY COUNCIL AND
09/17/09 09:05:01 OUR
09/17/09 09:05:03 PRESIDENT PRO-ITEM MS. GWEN
09/17/09 09:05:03 MILLER SERVES.
09/17/09 09:05:06 FOR ALL OF OUR CITY EMPLOYEES
09/17/09 09:05:09 REPRESENTED HERE AND
09/17/09 09:05:11 ALSO FOR
09/17/09 09:05:12 EACH PRIVATE CITIZEN.
09/17/09 09:05:14 ISAIAH 9:6 SAYS THE GOVERNMENT
09/17/09 09:05:16 WILL BE UPON HIS SHOULDER, WE
09/17/09 09:05:18 ASK LORD GOD THAT YOU WOULD
09/17/09 09:05:21 TAKE THE GOVERNMENT ON
09/17/09 09:05:23 YOUR
09/17/09 09:05:25 SHOULDERS AND LEAD AND GUIDE US
09/17/09 09:05:27 FOR THE HIGHEST BENEFIT OF YOUR
09/17/09 09:05:27 PEOPLE.
09/17/09 09:05:29 AND WE WILL BE CAREFUL TO GIVE
09/17/09 09:05:32 YOU ALL THE GLORY AND HONOR
09/17/09 09:05:32 AND
09/17/09 09:05:32 PRAISE.
09/17/09 09:05:35 IT IS IN THE PRECIOUS NAME OF
09/17/09 09:05:37 JESUS THAT WE PRAY.
09/17/09 09:05:38 AMEN.
09/17/09 09:05:40 LET US REMAIN STANDING FOR THE
09/17/09 09:05:40 PLEDGE.
09/17/09 09:05:42 I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG
09/17/09 09:05:43 OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
09/17/09 09:05:46 AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT
09/17/09 09:05:48 STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD,
09/17/09 09:05:48 INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND
09/17/09 09:05:51 JUSTICE FOR ALL.
09/17/09 09:06:06 >>
09/17/09 09:06:12 WE'LL
09/17/09 09:06:15 NOW
09/17/09 09:06:18 HAVE
09/17/09 09:06:22 ROLL CALL.
09/17/09 09:06:25 WE HAVE A PRESENTATION
09/17/09 09:06:26 TODAY.
09/17/09 09:06:29 FIRST ALLOCATED FIVE MINUTES
09/17/09 09:06:30 WITH HIM TODAY.
09/17/09 09:06:31 >> GOOD MORNING.
09/17/09 09:06:33 CHAIRMEN AND COUNCILMEMBERS, I
09/17/09 09:06:36 BELIEVE I HAVE A POWER POINT.
09/17/09 09:06:39 I'M NOT SURE HOW TO GAUGE
09/17/09 09:06:39 THAT.
09/17/09 09:06:40 THE PEOPLE WHO ARE LISTENING
09/17/09 09:06:42 SHOULD HEAR YOUR WORDS AND TURN
09/17/09 09:06:42 IT ON.
09/17/09 09:06:45 I HAVE ASKED FOR YOU TO BE
09/17/09 09:06:47 COPIED ON THE FULL REPORT OF
09/17/09 09:06:50 THE STIMULUS TASK FORCE AS WELL
09/17/09 09:06:53 AS THIS MORNING'S POWER POINT
09/17/09 09:06:53 PRESENTATION.
09/17/09 09:06:56 THERE ARE MANY SLIDES THAN I
09/17/09 09:06:58 INTEND TO COVER.
09/17/09 09:07:01 I WANT TO HIT AN
09/17/09 09:07:02 EXECUTIVE
09/17/09 09:07:02 HIGHLIGHT.
09/17/09 09:07:03 I RUN A BUSINESS THROUGHOUT THE
09/17/09 09:07:06 SOUTHEAST AND I'VE HAD A CHANCE
09/17/09 09:07:09 TO PLAY A KEY ROLE IN
09/17/09 09:07:10 THIS AREA
09/17/09 09:07:12 FOR A LONG TIME.
09/17/09 09:07:14 IT'S GIVEN ME PERSPECTIVES THAT
09/17/09 09:07:16 BROUGHT ME A SENSE OF URGENCY
09/17/09 09:07:19 AND
09/17/09 09:07:22 RESULTED IN
09/17/09 09:07:25 THE CREATION OF
09/17/09 09:07:26 THIS TASK FORCE.
09/17/09 09:07:29 THE COLLAPSE
09/17/09 09:07:30 OF OUR GROWTH, JOB
09/17/09 09:07:33 CREATION ABILITIES, AND THE
09/17/09 09:07:34 IMPACT ON OUR CAPABILITIES.
09/17/09 09:07:37 THE KEY TO ME IS JOB CREATION.
09/17/09 09:07:40 AND AS WE LOOK AT NEXT YEAR
09/17/09 09:07:42 IT'S GOING TO BECOME MORE DIRE.
09/17/09 09:07:45 I DON'T NEED TO TELL YOU THE
09/17/09 09:07:48 CHALLENGES THAT OUR STATE AND
09/17/09 09:07:51 MUNICIPALITIES ARE HAVING
09/17/09 09:07:51 AND
09/17/09 09:07:53 WILL CONTINUE TO HAVE FROM
09/17/09 09:07:55 RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT ISSUES
09/17/09 09:07:56 AND NOW COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.
09/17/09 09:07:59 IT CREATES A VERY DIFFICULT
09/17/09 09:08:01 LANDSCAPE THAT MADE IT CLEAR TO
09/17/09 09:08:03 ME THAT BUSINESS AS USUAL WAS
09/17/09 09:08:04 NOT GOING TO CUT IT.
09/17/09 09:08:07 THIS REGION IS TOO SPECIAL FOR
09/17/09 09:08:08 US TO SQUANDER THE OPPORTUNITY
09/17/09 09:08:11 OF BEING THE SPECIAL PLACE THAT
09/17/09 09:08:14 WE
09/17/09 09:08:15 ARE.
09/17/09 09:08:18 OUR OBJECTIVES
09/17/09 09:08:19 ARE SIMPLE.
09/17/09 09:08:22 WE NEED TO RETURN TO BEING A
09/17/09 09:08:23 LEADER IN JOB CREATION BUT NOT
09/17/09 09:08:26 TO DO IT IN THE FASHION WE HAVE
09/17/09 09:08:26 IN THE PAST.
09/17/09 09:08:29 THE GOAL IS TO MAKE
09/17/09 09:08:30 IT
09/17/09 09:08:30 SUSTAINABLE.
09/17/09 09:08:33 MAKE SURE THAT WE DO THINGS
09/17/09 09:08:34 FOCUSED ON THE TARGETED
09/17/09 09:08:35 INDUSTRIES THAT CAN PROVIDE US
09/17/09 09:08:38 THAT KIND OF STABILITY IN
09/17/09 09:08:39 THE
09/17/09 09:08:39 FUTURE.
09/17/09 09:08:42 DO FEW THINGS WELL
09/17/09 09:08:44 IS A MANTRA
09/17/09 09:08:47 THAT SERVES
09/17/09 09:08:47 US.
09/17/09 09:08:51 AND ESTABLISH A
09/17/09 09:08:52 REGULATORY
09/17/09 09:08:53 CLIMATE THAT INSENT VISES
09/17/09 09:08:54 SUSTAINABLE GROWTH.
09/17/09 09:08:56 I'M ACHARNE OF GREEN
09/17/09 09:08:57 DEVELOPMENT AND OUR REGION
09/17/09 09:08:59 OFFERS UNIQUE OPPORTUNITIES AS
09/17/09 09:09:00 WE LOOK OUT TO CORPORATE
09/17/09 09:09:02 AMERICA TO MAKE OURSELVES A
09/17/09 09:09:05 VERY SPECIAL PLACE TO LIVE IF
09/17/09 09:09:07 WE EMBRACE THE NEW
09/17/09 09:09:09 OPPORTUNITIES OF THE NEW
09/17/09 09:09:09 ECONOMY.
09/17/09 09:09:12 WE HAD A GREAT GROUP OF PEOPLE
09/17/09 09:09:14 WE HAD ASSEMBLED.
09/17/09 09:09:16 ALL THE MEMBERS ARE LISTED IN
09/17/09 09:09:16 THE REPORT.
09/17/09 09:09:19 I WON'T ADDRESS THAT AT
09/17/09 09:09:20 THIS
09/17/09 09:09:20 POINT.
09/17/09 09:09:23 WE MOVED VERY EXPEDITIOUSLY
09/17/09 09:09:26 BECAUSE OF THE SENSE
09/17/09 09:09:28 OF
09/17/09 09:09:28 URGENCY.
09/17/09 09:09:31 AND THE GOAL IS SIMPLE.
09/17/09 09:09:33 LET'S DO SOMETHING INSIGHTFUL
09/17/09 09:09:36 THAT GIVES US TRULY A PLAN THAT
09/17/09 09:09:38 WILL LEAD US TO A VISION FOR
09/17/09 09:09:39 OUR COMMUNITY.
09/17/09 09:09:41 WE KNOW THAT RESOURCES ARE
09/17/09 09:09:41 DEAR.
09/17/09 09:09:44 IN BRIEF, WHAT WE CAME UP WITH
09/17/09 09:09:47 AFTER A VERY DEEP, DELIBERATIVE
09/17/09 09:09:50 PROCESS WITH A LOT
09/17/09 09:09:50 OF
09/17/09 09:09:51 COMPELLING PRESENTATIONS ACROSS
09/17/09 09:09:52 THE GAMUT OF ECONOMIC
09/17/09 09:09:52 DEVELOPMENT.
09/17/09 09:09:56 FIRST WE NEED TO MAKE A
09/17/09 09:09:56 GREATER
09/17/09 09:09:57 COMMITMENT TO ECONOMIC
09/17/09 09:09:57 DEVELOPMENT.
09/17/09 09:10:00 BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, WE NEED
09/17/09 09:10:03 TO DO IT ON THE FOUNDATION
09/17/09 09:10:05 OF A
09/17/09 09:10:06 STRATEGIC PLAN THAT PROVIDES
09/17/09 09:10:08 FOR PROACTIVE PROBLEM SOLVING
09/17/09 09:10:10 AND FACING THE TOUGH ISSUES
09/17/09 09:10:13 THAT ADDRESS OUR ABILITY TO BE
09/17/09 09:10:13 COMPETITIVE.
09/17/09 09:10:16 AND AGAIN, THIS ISN'T ABOUT
09/17/09 09:10:19 BUYING NEW JOBS, THIS IS ABOUT
09/17/09 09:10:25 TAKING CARE
09/17/09 09:10:28 OF
09/17/09 09:10:34 THE
09/17/09 09:10:37 JOBS THAT WE
09/17/09 09:10:37 HAVE.
09/17/09 09:10:40 THE EFFICIENCIES THAT CAN MAKE
09/17/09 09:10:42 US A TRUE JUGGERNAUT.
09/17/09 09:10:44 WE SUMMARIZE OUR
09/17/09 09:10:47 RECOMMENDATIONS INTO CORE
09/17/09 09:10:49 AREAS, STRATEGIC MARKETING
09/17/09 09:10:49 INCENTIVES, STRATEGIC
09/17/09 09:10:50 PARTNERSHIPS, TRANSPORTATION,
09/17/09 09:10:53 INFRASTRUCTURE, AND OTHER KEY
09/17/09 09:10:53 ITEMS.
09/17/09 09:10:56 THE DETAILS ARE IN THE REPORT.
09/17/09 09:10:59 KEY IS THE FIRST STEP OF HAVING
09/17/09 09:11:01 A STRATEGIC PLAN FOR OUR
09/17/09 09:11:03 COUNTY, FOR OUR MUNICIPALITIES,
09/17/09 09:11:05 THAT CREATES FOR PROACTIVELY
09/17/09 09:11:08 ACHIEVING THE GOALS THAT WE
09/17/09 09:11:08 WANT FOR THIS REGION.
09/17/09 09:11:11 KNOWING WHAT WE WANT TO BE WHEN
09/17/09 09:11:11 WE GROW UP.
09/17/09 09:11:14 LOOKING AT THE BRAND THAT WE
09/17/09 09:11:16 ARE AND THAT WE CAN IMPROVE AND
09/17/09 09:11:19 MAKING SURE THAT EVERYONE KNOWS
09/17/09 09:11:21 ABOUT IT.
09/17/09 09:11:24 I KNEW ALL TOO WELL IN
09/17/09 09:11:25 2006 WE
09/17/09 09:11:27 HAD BECOME REACTIVE RATHER THAN
09/17/09 09:11:27 PROACTIVE.
09/17/09 09:11:29 AND WE'RE NO LONGER IN A
09/17/09 09:11:31 POSITION WHERE WE HAVE THAT
09/17/09 09:11:31 LUXURY.
09/17/09 09:11:34 I
09/17/09 09:11:37 BELIEVE
09/17/09 09:11:42 IT WAS THOMAS EDISON
09/17/09 09:11:45 WHO SAID VISION WITHOUT A PLAN.
09/17/09 09:11:46 WE'RE MOVING WITH THE
09/17/09 09:11:48 REGIONALLAL PARTNERSHIP, CITY
09/17/09 09:11:51 AND COUNTY STAFF TO TRY
09/17/09 09:11:52 AND
09/17/09 09:11:53 KEEP THIS BALL MOVING.
09/17/09 09:11:56 THE FIRST STEP
09/17/09 09:11:57 TO HAVE AN
09/17/09 09:11:59 ARTICULATED STRATEGIC PLAN.
09/17/09 09:12:00 WHERE OUR BEST OPPORTUNITIES
09/17/09 09:12:04 ARE FOR FORGING GROWTH IN KEY
09/17/09 09:12:06 TARGET INDUSTRIES, BEING
09/17/09 09:12:08 PROACTIVE AND THEN WRAPPING THE
09/17/09 09:12:11 ENTIRE ARENA AROUND
09/17/09 09:12:11 THAT.
09/17/09 09:12:13 THAT MEANS FOCUSED INCENTIVES,
09/17/09 09:12:14 BROADENING INCENTIVES AND
09/17/09 09:12:16 SIMPLIFYING THE PROCESS THAT TO
09/17/09 09:12:17 WE HAVE FEWER BARRIERS.
09/17/09 09:12:19 THERE ARE GOING TO BE KEY
09/17/09 09:12:21 TARGET INDUSTRIES IN THE GREEN
09/17/09 09:12:22 DEVELOPMENT ARENA WHERE MAYBE
09/17/09 09:12:24 THE WAGES ARE NOT AS HIGH AS WE
09/17/09 09:12:26 WANTED OR THE NUMBER OF JOBS
09/17/09 09:12:29 ISN'T
09/17/09 09:12:31 AS GREAT.
09/17/09 09:12:33 BUT IT CONCRETES A KEY
09/17/09 09:12:33 OPPORTUNITY.
09/17/09 09:12:35 WE NEED GREATER DISCRETION.
09/17/09 09:12:38 WE NEED MORE
09/17/09 09:12:40 TOOLS IN OUR TOOL
09/17/09 09:12:40 BOX.
09/17/09 09:12:40 STRATEGIC PARTNERSHIPS ARE
09/17/09 09:12:42 GOING TO BE ONE OF THE MOST
09/17/09 09:12:43 DIFFICULT AREAS AND WHERE I
09/17/09 09:12:46 PLAN TO REACH OUT TO ALL OF YOU
09/17/09 09:12:48 AND THE COUNTY COMMISSION AND
09/17/09 09:12:50 THE ELECTED OFFICIALS OF THE
09/17/09 09:12:53 OTHER MUNICIPALITIES TO HELP.
09/17/09 09:12:54 THIS REALLY RUNS THE GAMUT.
09/17/09 09:12:56 THERE ARE BEHAVIORS THAT WE CAN
09/17/09 09:12:58 CREATE TO SPUR GROWTH.
09/17/09 09:13:01 WE KNOW WE CAN BE A
09/17/09 09:13:02 BIOSCIENCE
09/17/09 09:13:02 JUGGERNAUT.
09/17/09 09:13:03 WE HAVE THE FOUNDATION.
09/17/09 09:13:06 BUT WE NEED TO TRY AND CREATE
09/17/09 09:13:08 INCENTIVE STRUCTURES THAT
09/17/09 09:13:10 REQUIRE THAT THOSE BODIES WORK
09/17/09 09:13:12 TOGETHER, THAT REQUIRE THAT
09/17/09 09:13:14 THEY LEVERAGE THEIR STRENGTHS
09/17/09 09:13:16 INDIVIDUALLY AND HELP US
09/17/09 09:13:17 ATTRACT THE GROWTH AND THE
09/17/09 09:13:18 CLUSTERS.
09/17/09 09:13:20 THE SAME THING WHETHER IT'S
09/17/09 09:13:23 FINANCIAL SERVICES OR THE
09/17/09 09:13:23 GREEN
09/17/09 09:13:23 ECONOMY.
09/17/09 09:13:25 WE CAN CREATE INCENTIVE
09/17/09 09:13:28 STRUCTURES THAT
09/17/09 09:13:29 UNIQUELY REWARD
09/17/09 09:13:30 KEY PLAYERS WORKING TOGETHER.
09/17/09 09:13:32 THE OTHERS ARE YOU AND THE
09/17/09 09:13:32 OTHER MUNICIPALITIES.
09/17/09 09:13:35 AND I WILL WRAP UP AS WE LOOK
09/17/09 09:13:38 AT LAND
09/17/09 09:13:41 AND OUR REGULATORY
09/17/09 09:13:41 CLIMATE.
09/17/09 09:13:43 WE HAVE WOEFULLY LITTLE AMOUNT
09/17/09 09:13:45 OF PERMIT READY CERTIFIED LAND
09/17/09 09:13:47 TO RESPOND TO A WORLD
09/17/09 09:13:49 HEADQUARTERS FOR OUR COMMUNITY.
09/17/09 09:13:52 WE NEED TO TAKE
09/17/09 09:13:55 A HARD LOOK,
09/17/09 09:13:58 STREAMLINE AND STRENGTHEN, NOT
09/17/09 09:14:01 PAVE
09/17/09 09:14:04 OVER
09/17/09 09:14:10 THE
09/17/09 09:14:13 COUNTY.
09/17/09 09:14:15 STREAMLINE AND STRENGTHEN.
09/17/09 09:14:18 WE
09/17/09 09:14:21 CAN MAKE
09/17/09 09:14:23 LIKELIHOOD OF A
09/17/09 09:14:25 RAIL LINE MORE SUCCESSFUL.
09/17/09 09:14:26 BY CONNECTING EMPLOYMENT
09/17/09 09:14:29 CENTERS, BY MAKING DOWNTOWN AS
09/17/09 09:14:32 A RESURGING EMPLOYMENT CENTER.
09/17/09 09:14:34 THE KEYS TO THIS WHAT SHOULD BE
09/17/09 09:14:36 THE CENTER PIECE FOR BUSINESS
09/17/09 09:14:38 GROWTH THROUGHOUT THE STATE OF
09/17/09 09:14:38 FLORIDA.
09/17/09 09:14:41 THE LAND USE PIECE THE PROBABLY
09/17/09 09:14:43 THE HARDEST, AND IT'S GOING TO
09/17/09 09:14:44 TAKE THE MOST WORK IN PROBABLY
09/17/09 09:14:47 12 TO 18 MONTHS FOR US
09/17/09 09:14:49 TO LOOK
09/17/09 09:14:51 AT THE OPPORTUNITY OF REALLY
09/17/09 09:14:54 HAVING
09/17/09 09:14:57 DISTRICTS THAT
09/17/09 09:15:00 ARE
09/17/09 09:15:02 TARGETED FOR THESE SPECIFIC JOB
09/17/09 09:15:02 CLUSTERS.
09/17/09 09:15:05 REDUCE THE NUMBER OF JOBS, TO
09/17/09 09:15:06 BROADEN THE DISCRETION.
09/17/09 09:15:08 SO THE FIRST STEP IS THERE.
09/17/09 09:15:10 NOW WE'RE LOOKING MORE AT THE
09/17/09 09:15:11 STRATEGIC PARTNERSHIP ARENA.
09/17/09 09:15:13 I BELIEVE TIME IS OF THE
09/17/09 09:15:13 ESSENCE.
09/17/09 09:15:15 I KNOW YOU SHARE THAT.
09/17/09 09:15:16 I APPRECIATE THE CHALLENGES
09/17/09 09:15:19 THAT YOU ALL ARE FACING IN
09/17/09 09:15:21 PROVIDING SERVICES TO OUR
09/17/09 09:15:21 COMMUNITY.
09/17/09 09:15:22 AND HOPEFULLY, WITH YOUR
09/17/09 09:15:24 SUPPORT WE CAN PROVIDE YOU MORE
09/17/09 09:15:28 TOOLS SO THAT WE CAN
09/17/09 09:15:30 GET BACK
09/17/09 09:15:33 AND BE THE BRAND AND THE
09/17/09 09:15:34 REGIONAL PRESENCE WE'D LIKE.
09/17/09 09:15:37 I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY
09/17/09 09:15:37 QUESTIONS.
09/17/09 09:15:37 >> Councilwoman Saul-Sena: I
09/17/09 09:15:40 WANT TO THANK YOU FOR COMING TO
09/17/09 09:15:43 SHARE THIS
09/17/09 09:15:45 WITH US.
09/17/09 09:15:47 ORGANIZING AND LEADING THIS
09/17/09 09:15:47 EFFORT.
09/17/09 09:15:50 CITY COUNCIL --WE CAN MAKE
09/17/09 09:15:53 POLICY DECISIONS ABOUT LAND.
09/17/09 09:15:56 I THINK WHAT YOU'RE
09/17/09 09:15:57 ADDRESSING
09/17/09 09:15:59 AND WE'RE SUPPORTIVE OF TRANSIT
09/17/09 09:15:59 DEVELOPMENT.
09/17/09 09:16:00 THE ADMINISTRATION HAS THE
09/17/09 09:16:03 RESPONSIBILITY FOR STREAMLINING
09/17/09 09:16:04 THE PROCESSES AND MAKING IT
09/17/09 09:16:05 EASIER FOR SOMEONE TO
09/17/09 09:16:08 UNDERSTAND THE
09/17/09 09:16:11 RULES AND GET
09/17/09 09:16:11 THROUGH THE PROCESS.
09/17/09 09:16:13 AND IT'S PERFECT THAT CINDY
09/17/09 09:16:14 MILLER IS BEHIND YOU.
09/17/09 09:16:18 IS THERE A GROUP WORKING
09/17/09 09:16:19 TOGETHER OF CITY AND COUNCIL
09/17/09 09:16:19 FOLKS?
09/17/09 09:16:22 WE'LL LET HER COME UP AND
09/17/09 09:16:25 EXPLAIN WHAT WE'RE DOING.
09/17/09 09:16:27 THAT'S REALLY WHERE THE
09/17/09 09:16:29 STREAMLINING NEEDS TO OCCUR.
09/17/09 09:16:32 >> THE KEY
09/17/09 09:16:35 IS THAT WHILE WE'RE
09/17/09 09:16:38 CRAFTING THE STRATEGIC
09/17/09 09:16:40 PLAN
09/17/09 09:16:41 THAT WE HAVE PARALLEL
09/17/09 09:16:41 ACTIVITIES.
09/17/09 09:16:43 WHILE WE'RE WAITING FOR THIS
09/17/09 09:16:44 CRAFTED VISION.
09/17/09 09:16:46 TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE AND I
09/17/09 09:16:47 COULDN'T BE MORE PLEASED WITH
09/17/09 09:16:50 THE SUPPORT WE'VE
09/17/09 09:16:53 HAD FROM
09/17/09 09:16:56 THE
09/17/09 09:16:59 CITY
09/17/09 09:17:02 STAFF AND
09/17/09 09:17:04 OUR TECHNICAL
09/17/09 09:17:04 RESOURCE GROUP.
09/17/09 09:17:07 WE'LL KEEP
09/17/09 09:17:07 PUSHING THE ROCK.
09/17/09 09:17:08 >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.
09/17/09 09:17:09 >> Councilwoman Mulhern: THANK
09/17/09 09:17:10 YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS REPORT.
09/17/09 09:17:14 AND
09/17/09 09:17:15 IT'S GREAT.
09/17/09 09:17:18 AND I HAVE TO ECHO WHAT MS.
09/17/09 09:17:19 SAUL-SENA SAID.
09/17/09 09:17:22 I'D LIKE TO SEE
09/17/09 09:17:22 A LITTLE MORE
09/17/09 09:17:22 CITY INPUT.
09/17/09 09:17:24 MAYBE IT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD
09/17/09 09:17:26 BE SETTING UP FOR THE CITY.
09/17/09 09:17:30 BUT IT MAKES
09/17/09 09:17:33 MORE
09/17/09 09:17:34 SENSE TO WORK
09/17/09 09:17:35 WITH THE COUNTY.
09/17/09 09:17:37 OUTLOOK YOU'VE DONE A GREAT
09/17/09 09:17:37 JOB.
09/17/09 09:17:40 AND I THINK ABOUT THIS EVERY
09/17/09 09:17:42 DAY AS I READ THE NEWS.
09/17/09 09:17:45 IN TERMS OF ATTRACTING NEW
09/17/09 09:17:48 INDUSTRY HERE, I THINK THE LEAD
09/17/09 09:17:51 THING ALONG WITH BIOTECH WHICH
09/17/09 09:17:54 OBVIOUSLY
09/17/09 09:17:57 WE'RE COMMITTED
09/17/09 09:17:58 TO
09/17/09 09:18:01 AND YOU'RE WORKING HARD ON ARE
09/17/09 09:18:03 GREEN JOBS AND NEW ENERGY
09/17/09 09:18:03 TECHNOLOGY.
09/17/09 09:18:05 WHEN WE TALK ABOUT TARGETED
09/17/09 09:18:07 INDUSTRIES, HOW CAN WE GO ABOUT
09/17/09 09:18:10 MAKING THOSE TARGETED SO THAT
09/17/09 09:18:13 AS WE'RE WORKING, THAT IS MORE
09/17/09 09:18:15 OF AN OFFICIAL TARGET AND
09/17/09 09:18:17 INDUSTRY THAT WE'RE TRYING TO
09/17/09 09:18:17 BRING.
09/17/09 09:18:20 WE HAVE THINGS HAPPENING WITH
09/17/09 09:18:22 SOLAR DEVELOPMENT AND OTHER
09/17/09 09:18:25 KINDS OF NEW ENERGY TECHNOLOGY
09/17/09 09:18:27 AND I THINK --THAT'S MY FIRST
09/17/09 09:18:28 QUESTION.
09/17/09 09:18:29 HOW CAN WE DO THAT?
09/17/09 09:18:32 MAKE THAT ONE
09/17/09 09:18:35 OF OUR TARGETED
09/17/09 09:18:36 INDUSTRIES OFFICIALLY.
09/17/09 09:18:39 >> WE KNOW
09/17/09 09:18:42 THAT OUR
09/17/09 09:18:44 STATE
09/17/09 09:18:45 RESOURCES ARE CRUSHED.
09/17/09 09:18:47 WE SHOULDN'T LIKELY EXPECT IT
09/17/09 09:18:49 TO SUDDENLY GO UP NEXT YEAR.
09/17/09 09:18:51 WE NEED TO BE FOCUSED AND BEGIN
09/17/09 09:18:53 TO ACT ON OUR OWN.
09/17/09 09:18:56 THE CREATION OF
09/17/09 09:18:58 OVERLAY
09/17/09 09:18:59 DISTRICTS TO IDENTIFY CRITICAL
09/17/09 09:19:00 TRACTS SUITABLE FOR ECONOMIC
09/17/09 09:19:01 DEVELOPMENT WHERE WE CAN
09/17/09 09:19:04 PROVIDE FOR THE CREATION --
09/17/09 09:19:05 IF
09/17/09 09:19:08 YOU WILL --OF PERMIT READY
09/17/09 09:19:08 CERTIFIED SITES.
09/17/09 09:19:11 IN THE GREEN ARENA AND WE SAID
09/17/09 09:19:13 ONCE WE DO THE ZONING CHANGE,
09/17/09 09:19:16 THEN WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO
09/17/09 09:19:19 MAKE A
09/17/09 09:19:20 COMMITMENT TO YOU.
09/17/09 09:19:23 TIMING IS OF THE
09/17/09 09:19:23 ESSENCE.
09/17/09 09:19:25 WE WILL NOT BE COMPETITIVE
09/17/09 09:19:28 UNLESS WE ARE EFFECTIVELY
09/17/09 09:19:28 PERMIT READY.
09/17/09 09:19:30 THIS CONCEPT OF OVERLAY
09/17/09 09:19:33 DISTRICTS SPECIFIC TO TARGETED
09/17/09 09:19:34 INDUSTRIES, BIOSCIENCE, FINANCE
09/17/09 09:19:35 SERVICES, GREEN ENERGY, PORT
09/17/09 09:19:36 AND INTERNATIONAL, SHOULD GIVE
09/17/09 09:19:39 US THE ABILITY TO THINK IN
09/17/09 09:19:42 TERMS OF NOT BEING
09/17/09 09:19:43 CONSTRAINED
09/17/09 09:19:45 BY THE URBAN SERVICE BOUNDARY
09/17/09 09:19:47 AND THE ASSOCIATED ISSUES.
09/17/09 09:19:48 WE SHOULD IDENTIFY FUTURE
09/17/09 09:19:50 ISSUES FOR KEY EMPLOYMENT
09/17/09 09:19:50 CENTERS.
09/17/09 09:19:53 WRAP INCENTIVES THAT ARE
09/17/09 09:19:53 SPECIFIC.
09/17/09 09:19:56 SO WE NEED TO HAVE STREAMLINED
09/17/09 09:19:56 PERMITTING.
09/17/09 09:19:57 WE NEED TO BE PERMIT READY.
09/17/09 09:20:00 AND WE NEED TO HAVE MORE TOOLS
09/17/09 09:20:03 IN OUR TOOL CHEST SO THAT THEY
09/17/09 09:20:05 KNOW THAT TAMPA AND
09/17/09 09:20:08 HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY IS READY
09/17/09 09:20:08 FOR BUSINESS.
09/17/09 09:20:11 AND WE NEED OUR COMMITTEE TO
09/17/09 09:20:13 GEAR UP, STAFF UP, AND DO
09/17/09 09:20:15 SPECIFIC OUTREACH IN THE
09/17/09 09:20:16 TARGETED INDUSTRIES.
09/17/09 09:20:17 NO MORE SITTING BACK AND
09/17/09 09:20:20 WAITING FOR THE ORDER TO
09/17/09 09:20:21 COME
09/17/09 09:20:21 IN.
09/17/09 09:20:23 WE NEED AN EXTENSIVE EXTERNAL
09/17/09 09:20:24 MARKETING ORDER FOR THEM TO
09/17/09 09:20:27 KNOW THE UNIQUE
09/17/09 09:20:28 RESOURCES THAT
09/17/09 09:20:29 WE HAVE HERE.
09/17/09 09:20:31 >> ARE YOU TRYING TO MAKE THAT
09/17/09 09:20:35 --THAT WAS MORE THE LINES I'M
09/17/09 09:20:35 GOING LONG.
09/17/09 09:20:36 I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING
09/17/09 09:20:38 ABOUT NEEDING TO HAVE THE
09/17/09 09:20:40 ABILITY TO MOVE QUICKLY WITH
09/17/09 09:20:41 THE LAND USE AND EVERYTHING.
09/17/09 09:20:44 BUT AS
09/17/09 09:20:47 FAR AS MAKING
09/17/09 09:20:48 THOSE
09/17/09 09:20:49 OFFICIALLY TARGETED.
09/17/09 09:20:52 I DON'T THINK THAT WHEN WE HEAR
09/17/09 09:20:55 ABOUT WE'VE GOT THINGS ON THE
09/17/09 09:20:55 AGENDA TODAY EVEN.
09/17/09 09:20:58 AND I DON'T THINK THAT --I
09/17/09 09:20:58 DON'T KNOW.
09/17/09 09:20:59 THIS IS MY QUESTION.
09/17/09 09:21:02 BUT AS FAR AS
09/17/09 09:21:05 I KNOW,
09/17/09 09:21:06 GREEN OR
09/17/09 09:21:09 ALTERNATIVE ENERGIES IS NOT ONE
09/17/09 09:21:10 THAT WE'RE TARGETING.
09/17/09 09:21:12 IS THAT A GOAL?
09/17/09 09:21:14 >> WE HAD DETAILED
09/17/09 09:21:14 PRESENTATIONS BY ENTERPRISE
09/17/09 09:21:18 FLORIDA
09/17/09 09:21:20 AND ALL OF THE STATE
09/17/09 09:21:21 PARTICIPANTS IN THE VARIOUS
09/17/09 09:21:21 PROGRAMS.
09/17/09 09:21:23 THEY'RE DEALING WITH THE SAME
09/17/09 09:21:25 ISSUES THAT WE ARE.
09/17/09 09:21:27 HOW DO WE TRANSITION OUR FOCUS?
09/17/09 09:21:30 THE GOVERNOR WANTS US TO BE A
09/17/09 09:21:33 LEADER IN GREEN ENERGY AS WE'VE
09/17/09 09:21:34 SEEN WE SHOULD BE.
09/17/09 09:21:35 WE'RE FLORIDA.
09/17/09 09:21:37 BUT WE HAVEN'T SEEN THOSE STEPS
09/17/09 09:21:37 TAKEN YET.
09/17/09 09:21:40 PART OF WHAT I WANT US TO DO AS
09/17/09 09:21:43 A REGION IS NOT WAIT.
09/17/09 09:21:45 IF IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN
09/17/09 09:21:45 ANYWHERE,
09/17/09 09:21:47 >> DO WHAT WE CAN NOW.
09/17/09 09:21:48 I THINK IT'S BEEN INTERESTING
09/17/09 09:21:51 THE LAST COUPLE OF DAYS, NOT
09/17/09 09:21:53 ONLY ARE WE COMPETING WITH
09/17/09 09:21:54 ORLANDO AND CALIFORNIA, BUT
09/17/09 09:21:56 WE'RE COMPETING WITH CHINA WHO
09/17/09 09:21:59 IS GETTING WAY, WAY AHEAD OF US
09/17/09 09:21:59 ON GREEN TECHNOLOGY
09/17/09 09:22:00 DEVELOPMENT.
09/17/09 09:22:03 AND I THINK THAT'S THE OTHER
09/17/09 09:22:03 THING.
09/17/09 09:22:06 AND I THINK WE HAVE THIS GREAT
09/17/09 09:22:08 INSTITUTION AND UNIVERSITY OF
09/17/09 09:22:10 SOUTH FLORIDA AND WORKING WITH
09/17/09 09:22:10 THEM.
09/17/09 09:22:13 THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS I'VE
09/17/09 09:22:13 HEARD.
09/17/09 09:22:14 THERE AREN'T NECESSARILY JOBS
09/17/09 09:22:17 THAT ARE GOING TO COME HERE FOR
09/17/09 09:22:19 SOLAR PANEL CREATION AT THIS
09/17/09 09:22:21 POINT BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A
09/17/09 09:22:21 BIG ENOUGH MARKET HERE.
09/17/09 09:22:24 BUT THERE IS GOING TO BE A
09/17/09 09:22:27 MARKET FOR SKILLED LABOR TO DO
09/17/09 09:22:28 THE INSTALLATIONS AND
09/17/09 09:22:29 MAINTENANCE OF THAT KIND OF
09/17/09 09:22:29 STUFF.
09/17/09 09:22:31 SO IF WE CAN WORK WITH THE
09/17/09 09:22:33 UNIVERSITIES IN THAT KIND OF
09/17/09 09:22:35 JOB TRAINING, THAT'S ANOTHER
09/17/09 09:22:37 THING I THINK WOULD BE A REALLY
09/17/09 09:22:38 GREAT THING.
09/17/09 09:22:40 >> LET ME INTERRUPT AND SAY IT
09/17/09 09:22:42 WOULD BE BEST IF WE SCHEDULED
09/17/09 09:22:45 FOR WORKSHOP AND ALLOCATED FIVE
09/17/09 09:22:47 MINUTES AND WE'RE NOW 20
09/17/09 09:22:47 MINUTES.
09/17/09 09:22:49 >> I DON'T HAVE ANY MORE
09/17/09 09:22:49 QUESTIONS.
09/17/09 09:22:51 >> I'D BE HAPPY TO COME BACK
09/17/09 09:22:52 AND MEET WITH YOU.
09/17/09 09:22:55 THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME THIS
09/17/09 09:22:55 MORNING.
09/17/09 09:22:56 >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09/17/09 09:22:59 WE WILL REVIEW THE AGENDA
09/17/09 09:23:00 AT
09/17/09 09:23:00 THIS TIME.
09/17/09 09:23:03 >> GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIRMAN
09/17/09 09:23:06 AND MEMBERS OF THE CITY
09/17/09 09:23:06 COUNCIL.
09/17/09 09:23:08 THERE ARE TWO ITEMS REQUESTING
09/17/09 09:23:08 INSTITUTIONS.
09/17/09 09:23:11 ONE IS ITEM TWO, AN ORDINANCE
09/17/09 09:23:13 BEING PRESENTED FOR FIRST
09/17/09 09:23:16 READING CONSIDERATION REGARDING
09/17/09 09:23:19 AMENDMENTS TO CHAPTER
09/17/09 09:23:21 2,
09/17/09 09:23:21 ADMINISTRATION.
09/17/09 09:23:23 MR.FLETCHER HAS MADE THAT
09/17/09 09:23:23 REQUEST.
09/17/09 09:23:24 ALSO A REQUEST FOR INSTITUTION
09/17/09 09:23:27 ON ITEM 18 WHICH IS THE LEASE
09/17/09 09:23:30 AND OPERATING AGREEMENT FOR THE
09/17/09 09:23:32 FLORIDA AQUARIUM.
09/17/09 09:23:35 BOTH THOSE ITEMS
09/17/09 09:23:38 ARE ON THE
09/17/09 09:23:41 CONSENT DOCKET PRESENTLY,
09/17/09 09:23:45 AND
09/17/09 09:23:48 CHAIRMAN
09/17/09 09:23:51 SCOTT HAS MADE THE
09/17/09 09:23:52 REQUEST.
09/17/09 09:23:53 >> I'M PRETTY MUCH SATISFIED
09/17/09 09:23:55 WITH THE INSTITUTE ORDERS AND
09/17/09 09:23:55 THE LANGUAGE.
09/17/09 09:23:58 I WOULD PLACE THAT BACK ON THE
09/17/09 09:23:58 CONSENT.
09/17/09 09:24:01 >> AND THAT WILL BE COMING TO
09/17/09 09:24:04 COUNCIL ON FIRST READING BACK
09/17/09 09:24:10 FOR SECOND
09/17/09 09:24:22 READING IN
09/17/09 09:24:23 TWO
09/17/09 09:24:23 WEEKS.
09/17/09 09:24:26 >> ALSO COUNCIL THERE HAS
09/17/09 09:24:27 BEEN
09/17/09 09:24:30 A REQUEST BY COUNCILMEMBER
09/17/09 09:24:33 DINGFELDER TO REMOVE ITEMS
09/17/09 09:24:34 SIX,
09/17/09 09:24:37 17, AND 37 FROM THE CONSENT
09/17/09 09:24:37 DOCKET.
09/17/09 09:24:40 I BELIEVE SIX AND 17 ARE FOR
09/17/09 09:24:41 DISCUSSION PURPOSES ONLY AND
09/17/09 09:24:44 YOU WISH TO HAVE STAFF PRESENT
09/17/09 09:24:44 FOR 37.
09/17/09 09:24:47 >> I WASN'T SURE HOW TO PHRASE
09/17/09 09:24:48 THAT.
09/17/09 09:24:50 THE FIRST TWO I WANTED THE
09/17/09 09:24:51 COMMITTEE CHAIRMAN TO
09/17/09 09:24:51 HIGHLIGHT.
09/17/09 09:24:53 WE DON'T HAVE TO PULL THOSE AT
09/17/09 09:24:54 THE END OF THE MEETING.
09/17/09 09:24:56 JUST TO BE ABLE TO SAY ONE OR
09/17/09 09:24:59 TWO THINGS ABOUT THOSE AND THE
09/17/09 09:25:02 LAST ONE TO PULL AND DISCUSS
09/17/09 09:25:04 AND HAVE A STAFF PERSON HERE.
09/17/09 09:25:07 >> TO
09/17/09 09:25:10 REMAIN SIX AND 17
09/17/09 09:25:12 AND
09/17/09 09:25:12 PULL 37.
09/17/09 09:25:14 THANK YOU.
09/17/09 09:25:15 ALL RIGHT.
09/17/09 09:25:16 GOING DOWN THE AGENDA, YOU HAVE
09/17/09 09:25:18 SOME ITEMS THAT I WISH TO BRING
09/17/09 09:25:21 TO YOUR ATTENTION NOW THAT WILL
09/17/09 09:25:23 NOT AND CANNOT BE HEARD BECAUSE
09/17/09 09:25:25 THERE'S NO AFFIDAVITS FILED SO
09/17/09 09:25:28 I WISH TO BRING THE PUBLIC'S
09/17/09 09:25:31 ATTENTION TO THE FACT
09/17/09 09:25:32 THAT 1:30
09/17/09 09:25:35 IN THE AFTERNOON, ITEMS 94
09/17/09 09:25:38 PETITION
09/17/09 09:25:41 TO VACATE
09/17/09 09:25:44 THE
09/17/09 09:25:47 RIGHT-OF-
09/17/09 09:25:50 WAY CANNOT
09/17/09 09:25:53 BE
09/17/09 09:26:21 HEARD.
09/17/09 09:26:22 CANNOT BE HEARD.
09/17/09 09:26:23 THESE WILL BE TAKEN UP FOR
09/17/09 09:26:24 DISCUSSION.
09/17/09 09:26:24 I BELIEVE COUNCIL THE ONLY
09/17/09 09:26:25 OTHER THING I WOULD LIKE TO
09/17/09 09:26:27 BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION ITEM 77
09/17/09 09:26:29 ON YOUR CONSENT DOCKET STATES
09/17/09 09:26:32 THAT THE RESOLUTION HAS TO BE
09/17/09 09:26:32 PREPARED.
09/17/09 09:26:33 MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE
09/17/09 09:26:35 RESOLUTION HAS BEEN RECEIVED
09/17/09 09:26:38 AND THAT CAN BE MOVED AS PART
09/17/09 09:26:39 OF THE CONSENT DOCKET AS ITEM
09/17/09 09:26:41 77 WHEN IT COMES UP.
09/17/09 09:26:43 JUST MOVE THE RESOLUTION.
09/17/09 09:26:44 YOU DON'T HAVE TO DIRECT LEGAL.
09/17/09 09:26:46 THE LAST THING I WOULD LIKE TO
09/17/09 09:26:50 BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION IS ITEM
09/17/09 09:26:50 NUMBER 91.
09/17/09 09:26:53 AND ITEM 91 IS UNDER STAFF
09/17/09 09:26:53 REPORTS.
09/17/09 09:26:56 AND WHAT
09/17/09 09:26:58 THAT IS IS A
09/17/09 09:27:00 RESOLUTION AMENDING THE SEWER
09/17/09 09:27:00 RATES.
09/17/09 09:27:02 THE REASON I BRING THAT TO YOUR
09/17/09 09:27:03 ATTENTION IS BECAUSE IT'S
09/17/09 09:27:05 PRESENTED TO YOU AS A
09/17/09 09:27:05 RESOLUTION.
09/17/09 09:27:08 WHICH MEANS THERE IS NO PUBLIC
09/17/09 09:27:09 HEARING WHICH MEANS THAT IT
09/17/09 09:27:12 TAKES ONLY ONE MOTION TO
09/17/09 09:27:13 MOVE
09/17/09 09:27:15 THE RESOLUTION TO HAVE IT TAKE
09/17/09 09:27:16 EFFECT.
09/17/09 09:27:18 THAT BEING SAID I WANT TO MAKE
09/17/09 09:27:20 COUNCIL AWARE OF THAT FACT AND
09/17/09 09:27:22 THE PUBLIC THAT IF THEY WISH TO
09/17/09 09:27:24 ADDRESS THE WASTE WATER FEES,
09/17/09 09:27:26 THE TIME TO DO IT WOULD BE
09/17/09 09:27:27 UNDER GENERAL AGENDA PUBLIC
09/17/09 09:27:28 COMMENT.
09/17/09 09:27:30 THAT WOULD BE THE TIME TO
09/17/09 09:27:31 DISCUSS IT.
09/17/09 09:27:34 I'M NOT AWARE OF
09/17/09 09:27:39 ANY OTHER
09/17/09 09:27:39 CHANGES TO THE AGENDA.
09/17/09 09:27:39 >>
09/17/09 09:27:41 >> Councilwoman Mulhern: I JUST
09/17/09 09:27:42 WANTED TO PULL THEM FOR A BRIEF
09/17/09 09:27:45 COMMENT AND TO BE ABLE
09/17/09 09:27:47 TO VOTE
09/17/09 09:27:50 ON
09/17/09 09:27:53 THEM
09/17/09 09:27:53 SEPARATELY.
09/17/09 09:27:54 NUMBER--THE FIRST IS NUMBER
09/17/09 09:27:54 35.
09/17/09 09:27:55 >> Chairman Scott: YOU WANT TO
09/17/09 09:27:58 PULL
09/17/09 09:28:01 THESE AND VOTE
09/17/09 09:28:03 ON THEM
09/17/09 09:28:04 SEPARATELY.
09/17/09 09:28:05 >> Councilwoman Mulhern: IF
09/17/09 09:28:08 SOMEONE FROM PARKS HAPPENED TO
09/17/09 09:28:10 BE HERE THEY COULD ANSWER
09/17/09 09:28:10 QUESTIONS.
09/17/09 09:28:12 NUMBER59 I JUST WANTED TO PULL
09/17/09 09:28:15 THAT TO BE
09/17/09 09:28:18 ABLE TO
09/17/09 09:28:21 VOTE
09/17/09 09:28:21 SEPARATELY ON IT.
09/17/09 09:28:24 >> Chairman
09/17/09 09:28:27 Scott:
09/17/09 09:28:29 59.
09/17/09 09:28:29 ANYONE ELSE?
09/17/09 09:28:29 MOTION?
09/17/09 09:28:30 CHANGES?
09/17/09 09:28:30 MOVED AND SECONDED.
09/17/09 09:28:33 AT THIS TIME WE
09/17/09 09:28:35 WILL HAVE
09/17/09 09:28:36 PUBLIC COMMENT.
09/17/09 09:28:38 COUNCIL HAS SET ASIDE 30
09/17/09 09:28:38 MINUTES.
09/17/09 09:28:39 WE GIVE PREFERENCE TO THOSE
09/17/09 09:28:40 ITEMS FIRST ON THE AGENDA.
09/17/09 09:28:42 IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO COUNCIL
09/17/09 09:28:45 YOU MAY COME FORWARD AT THIS
09/17/09 09:28:46 TIME.
09/17/09 09:28:47 IF YOU WANT TO ADDRESS COUNCIL
09/17/09 09:28:50 FIRST FOR ITEMS THAT ARE
09/17/09 09:28:53 ON THE
09/17/09 09:28:53 AGENDA.
09/17/09 09:28:56 YOU MAY COME AT THIS TIME.
09/17/09 09:28:58 SEEING NON, DO YOU CARE TO
09/17/09 09:29:00 ADDRESS COUNCIL AT ALL.
09/17/09 09:29:02 ANYBODY HERE FOR PUBLIC
09/17/09 09:29:02 COMMENT?
09/17/09 09:29:05 WANT TO TALK TO COUNCIL ABOUT
09/17/09 09:29:05 ANYTHING?
09/17/09 09:29:07 THIS IS YOUR TIME.
09/17/09 09:29:09 >> BEFORE I START, I'D LIKE TO
09/17/09 09:29:11 ASK PERMISSION TO BRING IN A
09/17/09 09:29:14 PAIR OF SCISSORS AND A
09/17/09 09:29:15 RAZOR AS
09/17/09 09:29:16 PART OF MY DEMONSTRATION.
09/17/09 09:29:19 I'M NOT GOING
09/17/09 09:29:22 TO HURT ANYBODY
09/17/09 09:29:22 WITH THEM.
09/17/09 09:29:23 >> SURE.
09/17/09 09:29:26 >> OKAY.
09/17/09 09:29:29 >> Chairman Scott: ANYONE ELSE?
09/17/09 09:29:32 [ LAUGHTER ]
09/17/09 09:29:53 >> CHIP THOMAS, 1219 HENRY
09/17/09 09:29:53 AVENUE.
09/17/09 09:29:56 AND THIS IS A FEW BLADES OF
09/17/09 09:29:57 ORDINARY GRASS.
09/17/09 09:29:59 THIS IS A PAIR OF ORDINARY
09/17/09 09:30:02 SCISSORS THAT COSTS NO MORE
09/17/09 09:30:02 THAN $8.
09/17/09 09:30:06 IT'S NOT DIFFICULT TO CUT THESE
09/17/09 09:30:09 BLADES OF GRASS NOR
09/17/09 09:30:12 IS
09/17/09 09:30:12 IT
09/17/09 09:30:13 DIFFICULT TO MOVE THEM.
09/17/09 09:30:16 AND YOU WOULDN'T KNOW THAT BY
09/17/09 09:30:18 THE WAY IT'S COMMONLY TAKEN
09/17/09 09:30:21 CARE OF AROUND
09/17/09 09:30:22 TOWN.
09/17/09 09:30:24 YOU CAN GO TO THE OVERHEAD.
09/17/09 09:30:27 YOU MAY HAVE SEEN
09/17/09 09:30:28 THIS BEFORE.
09/17/09 09:30:30 THAT'S A 600-POUND LAWN MOWER
09/17/09 09:30:33 COMMONLY USED TO MOW CITY SIZED
09/17/09 09:30:34 LOTS THESE DAYS.
09/17/09 09:30:36 WE HAVE PROGRESSED TO THAT.
09/17/09 09:30:37 HERE'S ANOTHER EXAMPLE.
09/17/09 09:30:38 AND THESE THINGS ARE DESIGNED
09/17/09 09:30:40 WITH POWER AND SPEED IN MIND
09/17/09 09:30:42 ONLY AND THERE'S NO THOUGHT TO
09/17/09 09:30:45 THE NOISE LEVELS OR THE
09/17/09 09:30:48 EMISSIONS
09/17/09 09:30:51 THAT THEY GENERATE.
09/17/09 09:30:52 HERE'S ANOTHER EXAMPLE.
09/17/09 09:30:54 THERE YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE'S
09/17/09 09:30:57 A
09/17/09 09:31:00 GUY ON A
09/17/09 09:31:01 SIT DOWN MOWER
09/17/09 09:31:01 THERE.
09/17/09 09:31:04 LEAF BLOWERS ARE PART OF THIS
09/17/09 09:31:06 DISCUSSION.
09/17/09 09:31:08 YOU CAN SEE IT.
09/17/09 09:31:10 HERE'S ANOTHER ONE.
09/17/09 09:31:11 THE EPA AND THE CALIFORNIA
09/17/09 09:31:13 RESOURCES BOARD HAVE DETERMINED
09/17/09 09:31:16 THAT THE DUST KICKED UP BY
09/17/09 09:31:19 THESE CONTAINS
09/17/09 09:31:21 ALL KINDS OF
09/17/09 09:31:24 CHEMICALS,
09/17/09 09:31:26 SPORES, ALLERGENS,
09/17/09 09:31:28 PARTICULATE MATTER FROM
09/17/09 09:31:29 AUTOMOBILE EXHAUST.
09/17/09 09:31:32 IT GENERATES 20 TO 40 TIMES
09/17/09 09:31:33 THE
09/17/09 09:31:35 AMOUNT OF EMISSIONS THAT
09/17/09 09:31:35 AUTOMOBILES DO.
09/17/09 09:31:39 THEY MAY CREATE TWO TO 10%
09/17/09 09:31:40 OF
09/17/09 09:31:40 TOTAL EMISSIONS.
09/17/09 09:31:41 THE PANEL OF CLIMATE CONTROL
09/17/09 09:31:44 HAS COME OUT AND SAID RECENTLY
09/17/09 09:31:47 IN MARCH THAT LOCAL POLICY
09/17/09 09:31:49 MAKERS --OR POLICY MAKERS AT
09/17/09 09:31:50 ALL LEVELS NEED TO TAKE
09/17/09 09:31:52 WHATEVER MEANS THEY CAN TO
09/17/09 09:31:53 REDUCE EMISSIONS.
09/17/09 09:31:55 WHEN YOU ADD ALL THAT TOGETHER,
09/17/09 09:31:58 I COME UP WITH WE NEED
09/17/09 09:31:59 A BAN ON
09/17/09 09:32:02 SIT-DOWN MOWERS IN CITY LIMITS
09/17/09 09:32:04 AND ALL GASOLINE POWERED LEAF
09/17/09 09:32:04 BLOWERS.
09/17/09 09:32:07 A NUMBER OF COMMUNITIES
09/17/09 09:32:09 HAVE
09/17/09 09:32:12 DONE SO INCLUDING
09/17/09 09:32:13 HOUSTON,
09/17/09 09:32:16 SEATTLE, RYE, GREENWICH, PA LOW
09/17/09 09:32:17 ALTO, MALIBU.
09/17/09 09:32:20 THIS IS NOT AN UNPRECEDENTED
09/17/09 09:32:20 MOVE.
09/17/09 09:32:23 SOME OF YOU MAYBE THINKING THAT
09/17/09 09:32:25 WE SHOULDN'T DICTATE HOW PEOPLE
09/17/09 09:32:27 DO THEIR JOBS.
09/17/09 09:32:29 BUT IF IT'S HARMFUL TO
09/17/09 09:32:30 NEIGHBORS AND INNOCENT
09/17/09 09:32:32 BYSTANDERS AND IS DETRIMENTAL
09/17/09 09:32:35 TO THE HEALTH AND WELL BEING OF
09/17/09 09:32:37 THE COMMUNITY, IT IS
09/17/09 09:32:38 GOVERNMENT'S RESPONSIBILITY TO
09/17/09 09:32:41 STEP IN AND STOP SUCH BEHAVIOR.
09/17/09 09:32:43 I AM SUGGESTING THAT THESE
09/17/09 09:32:44 MACHINES ARE TOTALLY
09/17/09 09:32:45 UNNECESSARY.
09/17/09 09:32:47 THEY CREATE A LOT OF EMISSIONS.
09/17/09 09:32:50 WHEN ARE WE EVER GOING
09/17/09 09:32:50 TO GET
09/17/09 09:32:52 SERIOUS ABOUT REDUCING
09/17/09 09:32:52 EMISSIONS.
09/17/09 09:32:54 WE TALK ABOUT IT.
09/17/09 09:32:58 IT'S NOT GOING TO ADDRESS THE
09/17/09 09:33:00 CO 2 PROBLEM, BUT IF WE CAN'T
09/17/09 09:33:02 TAKE THIS BABY STEP, I SEE NO
09/17/09 09:33:04 HOPE FOR THE FUTURE.
09/17/09 09:33:05 THAT'S THE GIST OF IT.
09/17/09 09:33:06 THANKS FOR YOUR TIME.
09/17/09 09:33:08 >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09/17/09 09:33:11 >> DO YOU WANT US TO
09/17/09 09:33:13 WAIT UNTIL
09/17/09 09:33:15 ALL THE PUBLIC SPEAKS.
09/17/09 09:33:18 >> IS ANYONE ELSE WANTING TO
09/17/09 09:33:19 ADDRESS COUNCIL?
09/17/09 09:33:19 YOU WANT TO REFER THAT?
09/17/09 09:33:22 >> I'M GOING TO DO MORE THAN
09/17/09 09:33:22 THAT.
09/17/09 09:33:24 THE FIRST THING I'D LIKE TO DO
09/17/09 09:33:27 IS MOVE THAT IN 30 DAYS WE
09/17/09 09:33:29 GET
09/17/09 09:33:32 A REPORT FROM OUR
09/17/09 09:33:34 PARKS
09/17/09 09:33:35 DEPARTMENT ABOUT THE MACHINERY
09/17/09 09:33:38 THAT WE USE AND HE MENTIONED
09/17/09 09:33:40 GAS POWERED, THERE'S OTHER WAYS
09/17/09 09:33:43 OF DOING THIS THAT'S LESS
09/17/09 09:33:44 ENERGY INTENSIVE.
09/17/09 09:33:46 I'D LIKE FOR OUR PARKS
09/17/09 09:33:47 DEPARTMENT TO REPORT BACK TO US
09/17/09 09:33:50 ON ANY MOVEMENT THAT THEY HAVE
09/17/09 09:33:52 DONE TO LOOK AT WHAT WE'RE
09/17/09 09:33:54 CURRENTLY USING FOR NOT ONLY
09/17/09 09:33:57 OURSELVES BUT THE PEOPLE WE
09/17/09 09:33:58 EXPERIMENT WITH.
09/17/09 09:34:01 AND COULD THEY MOVE TOWARD MORE
09/17/09 09:34:02 SUSTAINABLE PRACTICES IN TERMS
09/17/09 09:34:04 OF MAINTAINING OUR GREEN SPACE.
09/17/09 09:34:06 SOME THINGS ARE APPROPRIATE AND
09/17/09 09:34:07 SOME THINGS ARE OVERKILL.
09/17/09 09:34:10 AND THE OTHER THINGS I'D LIKE
09/17/09 09:34:13 TO DO IS ASK CHIP TO --OR
09/17/09 09:34:13 I
09/17/09 09:34:15 CAN HAVE MY INTERN RESEARCH
09/17/09 09:34:17 WHAT THESE OTHER COMMUNITIES
09/17/09 09:34:18 HAVE ADOPTED AND COMPARE THAT
09/17/09 09:34:21 TO --WE DON'T HAVE ANY
09/17/09 09:34:23 CONSTRAINTS, I'D LIKE TO SORT
09/17/09 09:34:25 OF DO A LITERATURE SURVEY OF
09/17/09 09:34:27 WHAT OTHER COMMUNITIES HAVE
09/17/09 09:34:27 DONE.
09/17/09 09:34:29 MR.THOMAS HAS BEEN COMING HERE
09/17/09 09:34:31 FOR SEVERAL YEARS, BRINGING
09/17/09 09:34:33 THIS TO OUR ATTENTION.
09/17/09 09:34:35 AND THE FIRST TIME I THOUGHT IT
09/17/09 09:34:37 WAS EXTREMELY UNUSUAL AND THE
09/17/09 09:34:39 MORE HE COMES, THE MORE SENSE
09/17/09 09:34:42 IT MAKES AND THE MORE I REALIZE
09/17/09 09:34:44 THAT WE'RE GOING TO LOOK BACK
09/17/09 09:34:47 ON THIS IN THE WAY THAT
09/17/09 09:34:47 WE
09/17/09 09:34:49 LOOKED ON SMOKING.
09/17/09 09:34:50 THE IDEA OF CONSTRAINING THE
09/17/09 09:34:52 NOISE AND THE POLLUTION THAT
09/17/09 09:34:54 ARE GENERATED FROM THESE LEAF
09/17/09 09:34:56 BLOWERS IS A VERY VALID
09/17/09 09:34:56 CONSIDERATION.
09/17/09 09:34:58 AND I KNOW THERE'S EQUIPMENT ON
09/17/09 09:35:01 THE MARKET THAT CAN DO THE JOB
09/17/09 09:35:04 AND
09/17/09 09:35:07 BE A LOT LESS OBJECT NORTH
09/17/09 09:35:07 SHORE.
09/17/09 09:35:10 >> Chairman Scott: SO YOUR
09/17/09 09:35:15 MOTION --
09/17/09 09:35:17 >> HAVE THEY GIVEN ANY
09/17/09 09:35:17 CONVERSATION.
09/17/09 09:35:20 >> IT'S COST RELATED
09/17/09 09:35:21 WHEN YOU
09/17/09 09:35:21 MAKE CHANGES.
09/17/09 09:35:23 FOR MY OWN CONSERVATIVE WAY OF
09/17/09 09:35:25 THINKING, I'D LIKE TO FIND OUT
09/17/09 09:35:28 WHAT THE COST IS, WHAT ARE THEY
09/17/09 09:35:31 GOING TO USE, WHAT
09/17/09 09:35:31 EMPLOYMENT
09/17/09 09:35:34 IS GOING TO COST.
09/17/09 09:35:36 DO WE HAVE TO HIRE MORE PEOPLE?
09/17/09 09:35:39 WE'RE IN A SITUATION IN
09/17/09 09:35:40 IN
09/17/09 09:35:42 COUNTRY WHERE REVENUES ARE
09/17/09 09:35:42 DISAPPEARING.
09/17/09 09:35:45 I THINK EVERYTHING THAT WE DO
09/17/09 09:35:48 HERE --SOUNDS GREAT WHEN WE
09/17/09 09:35:50 PASS BUCK TO THE
09/17/09 09:35:50 ADMINISTRATION.
09/17/09 09:35:53 FOR YEARS, I'VE BEEN THINKING
09/17/09 09:35:55 ABOUT WRITING AN ORDINANCE ON
09/17/09 09:35:56 THE BLOWERS ON THE STREETS TO
09/17/09 09:35:58 GO BACK INTO THE PROPERTIES.
09/17/09 09:36:00 BUT THE MORE I THOUGHT ABOUT
09/17/09 09:36:00 IT.
09/17/09 09:36:03 I SAID WHO IS GOING TO ENFORCE
09/17/09 09:36:03 IT?
09/17/09 09:36:06 IS THERE GOING TO BE COURT
09/17/09 09:36:06 ENFORCEMENT?
09/17/09 09:36:07 THE POLICE DEPARTMENT?
09/17/09 09:36:10 I'M NOT GOING TO WRITE AN
09/17/09 09:36:12 ORDINANCE THAT HAS NO
09/17/09 09:36:14 ENFORCEMENT OR LITTLE
09/17/09 09:36:14 ENFORCEMENT.
09/17/09 09:36:16 SO I BACKED AWAY FROM THAT.
09/17/09 09:36:18 ANYTHING WE SEND TO THE
09/17/09 09:36:19 ADMINISTRATION OUGHT TO ASK FOR
09/17/09 09:36:22 THE COST RELATED AND I STILL
09/17/09 09:36:24 HAVE THE PUSH LAWN MOWER I USED
09/17/09 09:36:26 WHEN I WAS A LITTLE BOY.
09/17/09 09:36:29 IF YOU WANT TO USE IT, COME SEE
09/17/09 09:36:29 ME.
09/17/09 09:36:32 YOU CAN SAVE ALL THE ENERGY YOU
09/17/09 09:36:32 WANT.
09/17/09 09:36:35 BUT I STILL HAVE THAT AND I'M
09/17/09 09:36:38 GETTING
09/17/09 09:36:40 TOO OLD TO USE IT.
09/17/09 09:36:43 >> WHAT IT IS IS A
09/17/09 09:36:45 COST
09/17/09 09:36:45 ANALYSIS.
09/17/09 09:36:47 MOVED AND SECONDED ALL IN
09/17/09 09:36:47 FAVOR.
09/17/09 09:36:48 >> AYE.
09/17/09 09:36:48 JUST A CLARIFICATION.
09/17/09 09:36:51 WAS THAT TO BE
09/17/09 09:36:53 A WRITTEN
09/17/09 09:36:53 REPORT.
09/17/09 09:36:54 >> NO, APPEARANCE.
09/17/09 09:36:56 >> NEXT SPEAKER.
09/17/09 09:36:57 ANYONE ELSE?
09/17/09 09:37:00 ANYONE ELSE, COME FORWARD AND
09/17/09 09:37:03 LINE
09/17/09 09:37:05 UP AT THIS TIME.
09/17/09 09:37:05 >> TYREE TOLSON.
09/17/09 09:37:08 I BROUGHT A COUPLE OF WEEKS
09/17/09 09:37:09 AGO
09/17/09 09:37:10 A SITUATION AT THE ZOO WHERE WE
09/17/09 09:37:13 WERE ALL OF A SUDDEN BEING
09/17/09 09:37:14 PUSHED OUT OF THERE.
09/17/09 09:37:17 WELL, WE GOT OURSELVES OUT AND
09/17/09 09:37:20 THANKS TO A LOT
09/17/09 09:37:21 OF PEOPLE, FIVE
09/17/09 09:37:22 PEOPLE FROM LAKELAND AS A
09/17/09 09:37:25 RESULT OF A NEWSPAPER ARTICLE
09/17/09 09:37:28 THAT
09/17/09 09:37:31 DIDN'T LIKE WHAT THEY WERE
09/17/09 09:37:34 SEEING, THE FRIDGE RATION
09/17/09 09:37:34 MAN
09/17/09 09:37:36 DID IT FOR FREE.
09/17/09 09:37:38 PEOPLE KNEW WHAT WAS WRONG.
09/17/09 09:37:40 AND PEOPLE KEPT SHOWING UP AT
09/17/09 09:37:40 THE GATE.
09/17/09 09:37:42 IT WAS JUST WRONG.
09/17/09 09:37:43 PEOPLE KNEW THAT.
09/17/09 09:37:44 I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE DONE
09/17/09 09:37:46 YOUR RESEARCH OR WHAT YOU WERE
09/17/09 09:37:48 GOING TO DO WHAT YOU COME OUT
09/17/09 09:37:48 WITH.
09/17/09 09:37:51 BUT IF YOU NEED ANYTHING ELSE
09/17/09 09:37:53 AND INFORMATION, DEFINITELY
09/17/09 09:37:55 FEEL FREE TO GET AHOLD OF ME
09/17/09 09:37:58 AND I'LL LET YOU KNOW ANYTHING
09/17/09 09:37:59 YOU NEED.
09/17/09 09:38:02 I APPRECIATE YOU LETTING ME
09/17/09 09:38:03 COME AND SPEAK.
09/17/09 09:38:06 NOTHING GOOD
09/17/09 09:38:09 CAME OUT
09/17/09 09:38:11 OF IT
09/17/09 09:38:12 FROM THE ZOO.
09/17/09 09:38:14 CHARGES SO MUCH LESS AND THEY
09/17/09 09:38:16 WERE NOT GOING TO LEAVE UNTIL I
09/17/09 09:38:17 GOT ALL MY EQUIPMENT OUT OF
09/17/09 09:38:20 THERE WHICH WAS A COOLER AND A
09/17/09 09:38:21 FREEZER.
09/17/09 09:38:22 PEOPLE CARE.
09/17/09 09:38:25 WHAT THE ZOO DID WAS JUST FLAT
09/17/09 09:38:25 WRONG.
09/17/09 09:38:28 AND IT'S NOT
09/17/09 09:38:29 THE ZOO.
09/17/09 09:38:31 IT'S ONE PERSON.
09/17/09 09:38:32 DAVE ZIMMERMAN.
09/17/09 09:38:35 THAT'S WHO DID
09/17/09 09:38:38 IT.
09/17/09 09:38:41 OTHER THAN THAT, EVERYTHING
09/17/09 09:38:42 WORKED OUT GOOD.
09/17/09 09:38:45 >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
09/17/09 09:38:48 AND I REALLY
09/17/09 09:38:48 APPRECIATE IT.
09/17/09 09:38:51 >> GOOD LUCK TO YOU.
09/17/09 09:38:56 >> Chairman Scott: WE'LL MOVE
09/17/09 09:38:58 NOW TO THE ORDINANCE.
09/17/09 09:39:01 ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO
09/17/09 09:39:04 REQUEST A RECONSIDERATION ON A
09/17/09 09:39:05 LEGISLATIVE MATTER.
09/17/09 09:39:08 SEEING NONE WE'LL MOVE TO THE
09/17/09 09:39:11 ORDINANCE BEING
09/17/09 09:39:14 PRESENTED FOR
09/17/09 09:39:14 FIRST READING.
09/17/09 09:39:17 >> WE A
09/17/09 09:39:19 SUBSTITUTE.
09/17/09 09:39:22 >> THE
09/17/09 09:39:24 TITLE READ AND MOVED.
09/17/09 09:39:24 >>
09/17/09 09:39:25 >> Councilmember Miranda: THANK
09/17/09 09:39:26 YOU MR. CHAIRMAN.
09/17/09 09:39:29 I MOVE THE ORDINANCE OF THE
09/17/09 09:39:32 CITY OF TAMPA
09/17/09 09:39:34 TO ADD A NEW
09/17/09 09:39:37 SECTION 2-116 PROVIDING FOR
09/17/09 09:39:37 SUBMISSION OF A SUPPLEMENTAL
09/17/09 09:39:38 EXPENDITURE DOCUMENT TO THE
09/17/09 09:39:40 CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF
09/17/09 09:39:43 TAMPA TO ACCOMPANY THE ANNUAL
09/17/09 09:39:46 BUDGET, PROVIDING FOR
09/17/09 09:39:47 AN
09/17/09 09:39:48 EFFECTIVE DATE.
09/17/09 09:39:50 >> A SECOND.
09/17/09 09:39:53 SECONDED BY ALL IN FAVOR SAY
09/17/09 09:39:53 AYE.
09/17/09 09:39:53 MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
09/17/09 09:39:55 SECOND READING OF THE ORDINANCE
09/17/09 09:39:58 WILL BE HELD OCTOBER
09/17/09 09:40:04 1ST AT
09/17/09 09:40:10 9:30 A.M.
09/17/09 09:40:13 >> ITEM THREE.
09/17/09 09:40:13 COUNCILMAN
09/17/09 09:40:14 >>> AN ORDINANCE AMENDING 2009-
09/17/09 09:40:17 103 AUTHORIZING THE
09/17/09 09:40:19 INSTALLATION AND MAINTENANCE OF
09/17/09 09:40:20 PROPOSED ENCROACHMENTS OVER A
09/17/09 09:40:22 PORTION OF THE PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-
09/17/09 09:40:24 WAY KNOWN AS SOUTH 12th STREET
09/17/09 09:40:26 BY REPLACING THREE PAGES OF
09/17/09 09:40:27 EXHIBIT A TO DEPICT THE
09/17/09 09:40:30 INCREASED SIZE OF THE SUB
09/17/09 09:40:32 SURFACE FOOTER, AUTHORIZING THE
09/17/09 09:40:35 INSTALLATION AND MAINTENANCE OF
09/17/09 09:40:38 SAID SUB SURFACE
09/17/09 09:40:41 FOOTERS,
09/17/09 09:40:43 PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
09/17/09 09:40:45 ALL IN FAVOR MOTION CARRIED
09/17/09 09:40:45 UNANIMOUSLY.
09/17/09 09:40:46 SECOND READING WILL BE HELD
09/17/09 09:40:49 OCTOBER 1ST AT 9:30
09/17/09 09:40:51 A.M.
09/17/09 09:40:53 WE'LL MOVE TO THE COMMITTEE
09/17/09 09:40:53 REPORTS.
09/17/09 09:40:56 >> Chairman
09/17/09 09:40:59 Miller: I
09/17/09 09:41:02 MOVE
09/17/09 09:41:02 ITEMS FOUR AND FIVE
09/17/09 09:41:04 >> Councilman Dingfelder: I
09/17/09 09:41:06 JUST WANTED TO COMMENT ON SIX.
09/17/09 09:41:07 THIS IS THE CONTRAFLOW.
09/17/09 09:41:10 I JUST WANTED PEOPLE TO BE
09/17/09 09:41:11 AWARE OF IT.
09/17/09 09:41:14 WE'VE BEEN WORKING CLOSELY WITH
09/17/09 09:41:15 THE EXPRESSWAY AUTHORITY,
09/17/09 09:41:15 HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, THE
09/17/09 09:41:17 SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND HIGHWAY
09/17/09 09:41:20 PATROL TO MAKE SURE THAT IN THE
09/17/09 09:41:21 EVENT OF AN EMERGENCY AND
09/17/09 09:41:23 PROBABLY A HURRICANE THAT WE
09/17/09 09:41:26 ARE MAKING PROGRESS IN TERMS
09/17/09 09:41:28 OF
09/17/09 09:41:31 HAVING ALL THE LANES OF THE
09/17/09 09:41:34 EXPRESSWAY FROM
09/17/09 09:41:37 GANDY ALL THE
09/17/09 09:41:40 WAY OUT TO BRANDON
09/17/09 09:41:41 BA EXIT.
09/17/09 09:41:43 I COMMEND OUR CITY STAFF AND
09/17/09 09:41:46 THE TPD FOR WORKING CLOSELY ON
09/17/09 09:41:46 THIS.
09/17/09 09:41:47 >> THANK YOU.
09/17/09 09:41:50 >> I MOVE RESOLUTIONS
09/17/09 09:41:53 FOUR
09/17/09 09:41:54 THROUGH 11.
09/17/09 09:41:56 >> MOVED AND SECONDED.
09/17/09 09:41:57 >> PARKS AND RECREATION.
09/17/09 09:41:59 >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
09/17/09 09:42:01 BEFORE I MOVE THESE
09/17/09 09:42:02 RESOLUTIONS, I'D LIKE TO
09/17/09 09:42:04 RECOGNIZE THE CHAIRMAN OF THE
09/17/09 09:42:07 BOARD AND THE
09/17/09 09:42:10 CHIEF OF
09/17/09 09:42:11 THE
09/17/09 09:42:14 AQUARIUM IN THE AUDIENCE WITH
09/17/09 09:42:14 US.
09/17/09 09:42:16 >> I'D LIKE TO MOVE 12 THROUGH
09/17/09 09:42:16 19.
09/17/09 09:42:19 THE LEASE AND OPERATING
09/17/09 09:42:22 AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY
09/17/09 09:42:25 OF
09/17/09 09:42:28 TAMPA
09/17/09 09:42:29 AND THE FLORIDA AQUARIUM.
09/17/09 09:42:29 >>
09/17/09 09:42:31 >> Councilman Dingfelder: ON
09/17/09 09:42:34 ITEM 17, I'M GOING TO THROW
09/17/09 09:42:36 THIS BACK AT MS. SAUL-SENA AND
09/17/09 09:42:39 THANK YOU FOR HER HARD WORK ON
09/17/09 09:42:40 BEHALF OF THE CITY.
09/17/09 09:42:42 THE COUNTY AND THE COUNTY
09/17/09 09:42:45 OFFICIALS AND THE TD GROUP OVER
09/17/09 09:42:47 THERE HAVE BEEN VERY, VERY
09/17/09 09:42:48 HELPFUL AND GENEROUS TOWARDS
09/17/09 09:42:51 THE CONVENTION CENTER THE LAST
09/17/09 09:42:54 COUPLE OF YEARS, AND $2
09/17/09 09:42:54 MILLION
09/17/09 09:42:56 TOWARD ASSISTING WITH CAPITAL
09/17/09 09:42:58 IMPROVEMENTS AT THE CONVENTION
09/17/09 09:42:59 CENTER.
09/17/09 09:43:00 WE'RE WORKING CLOSER WITH THE
09/17/09 09:43:03 COUNTY AND THANK
09/17/09 09:43:05 YOU FOR THAT.
09/17/09 09:43:07 >> Chairman Scott: 18 DOES NOT
09/17/09 09:43:10 HAVE TO COME BACK
09/17/09 09:43:12 TO COUNCIL
09/17/09 09:43:12 FOR APPROVAL.
09/17/09 09:43:13 I GUESS THE CONVENTION CENTER
09/17/09 09:43:14 AND LIKE WISE.
09/17/09 09:43:17 I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THAT AND I
09/17/09 09:43:20 DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANTED TO
09/17/09 09:43:21 WEIGH IN ON THAT OR NOT.
09/17/09 09:43:24 >> WE'VE HAD A LOT OF NAMES
09/17/09 09:43:26 RIGHTS COME BACK TO US.
09/17/09 09:43:29 I GUESS --I
09/17/09 09:43:30 DON'T KNOW.
09/17/09 09:43:31 I'M SURPRISED.
09/17/09 09:43:32 >> Chairman Scott: IT WAS MY
09/17/09 09:43:35 UNDERSTANDING THAT THE MAYOR
09/17/09 09:43:37 HAS THE NAMING RIGHTS AND DOES
09/17/09 09:43:40 NOT HAVE TO COME BACK
09/17/09 09:43:41 TO
09/17/09 09:43:41 COUNCIL.
09/17/09 09:43:42 THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN TOLD.
09/17/09 09:43:44 >> IS THAT SOMETHING WE WANT TO
09/17/09 09:43:44 CHANGE.
09/17/09 09:43:45 >> Chairman Scott: I WANT TO
09/17/09 09:43:47 RAISE IT AS A QUESTION TO
09/17/09 09:43:48 COUNCIL.
09/17/09 09:43:51 WHETHER YOU WANT TO COME BACK
09/17/09 09:43:52 FOR APPROVAL OR NOT.
09/17/09 09:43:54 I'M GOING TO RAISE THAT AS AN
09/17/09 09:43:55 ISSUE.
09/17/09 09:43:57 >> I HOPE THAT IF THEY DO
09/17/09 09:43:58 PROVIDE NAMING RIGHTS, THE
09/17/09 09:43:59 INSTITUTION OR INDIVIDUAL GIVES
09/17/09 09:44:02 THEM A
09/17/09 09:44:08 SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF
09/17/09 09:44:09 MONEY FOR IT.
09/17/09 09:44:09 >> Chairman Scott: OKAY.
09/17/09 09:44:10 >> Councilmember Miranda: I
09/17/09 09:44:12 DON'T REMEMBER WHEN THEY
09/17/09 09:44:15 CHANGED
09/17/09 09:44:18 IT TO THE ST. PETE
09/17/09 09:44:18 FORUM.
09/17/09 09:44:20 MAYBE SOMEONE CAN HELP ME OUT
09/17/09 09:44:21 ON IT.
09/17/09 09:44:24 IT WAS DISCUSSED AT LEAST ON
09/17/09 09:44:24 COUNCIL.
09/17/09 09:44:25 I THINK AT THAT TIME THE
09/17/09 09:44:27 ADMINISTRATION GAVE US THE
09/17/09 09:44:28 COURTESY AND I'M SURE THIS
09/17/09 09:44:31 ADMINISTRATION AND OTHERS WOULD
09/17/09 09:44:34 DO THE SAME HOPEFULLY.
09/17/09 09:44:37 NAMING RIGHTS, THE STADIUM
09/17/09 09:44:38 MERRILL LYNCH STADIUM DID IT ON
09/17/09 09:44:42 THEIR OWN --SORRY, I GOT
09/17/09 09:44:43 THE
09/17/09 09:44:44 WRONG FIRM.
09/17/09 09:44:46 THE PUBLIC FUNDED STADIUM HAS
09/17/09 09:44:48 THAT ON THEIR OWN.
09/17/09 09:44:49 AND THAT'S HOW IT IS.
09/17/09 09:44:52 YOU WANT BIG
09/17/09 09:44:54 BUSINESS, YOU GOT
09/17/09 09:44:55 IT, BABY.
09/17/09 09:44:56 >> OKAY.
09/17/09 09:44:59 WE'LL JUST KEEP THAT ON THE
09/17/09 09:44:59 CONSENT THEN.
09/17/09 09:45:02 >> THAT'S WHY I MADE
09/17/09 09:45:05 THE
09/17/09 09:45:05 MOTION.
09/17/09 09:45:08 >> ALL OF THEM
09/17/09 09:45:08 INCLUDING
09/17/09 09:45:10 >> SECONDED BY COUNCILMEMBER
09/17/09 09:45:10 MIRANDA.
09/17/09 09:45:12 >> DID THE REPRESENTATIVES FROM
09/17/09 09:45:14 THE AQUARIUM WANT TO SPEAK
09/17/09 09:45:16 SINCE YOU ALL HAVE JOINED US
09/17/09 09:45:17 FOR THE MEETING?
09/17/09 09:45:20 >> SINCE YOU
09/17/09 09:45:22 PUT A LITTLE WORK
09/17/09 09:45:22 INTO THIS.
09/17/09 09:45:25 >> CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD
09/17/09 09:45:27 OF THE
09/17/09 09:45:27 AQUARIUM.
09/17/09 09:45:29 CEO OF THE FLORIDA AQUARIUM.
09/17/09 09:45:31 WE'RE HERE TO ANNOUNCE THAT OUR
09/17/09 09:45:33 BOARD MET AND VOTED TO APPROVE
09/17/09 09:45:35 A SUBSTITUTE LEASE, THE ONE YOU
09/17/09 09:45:36 LOOKED AT.
09/17/09 09:45:37 IT'S FAVORABLE TO US.
09/17/09 09:45:38 THE CHANGES HAVE BEEN MADE AT
09/17/09 09:45:39 OUR REQUEST.
09/17/09 09:45:43 THE CITY HAS AGREED TO
09/17/09 09:45:45 THOSE.
09/17/09 09:45:47 I DO THINK THAT MR. FLETCHER
09/17/09 09:45:48 HAS AN ANNOUNCEMENT.
09/17/09 09:45:51 THE AGREEMENT HAS BEEN REACHED
09/17/09 09:45:53 AND WE BELIEVE WE'RE DONE.
09/17/09 09:45:54 >> GREAT.
09/17/09 09:45:54 >> OKAY.
09/17/09 09:45:56 >> TOM, DO YOU WANT TO SAY
09/17/09 09:45:56 ANYTHING?
09/17/09 09:45:59 >> WE HAD THE VOTE YESTERDAY
09/17/09 09:46:01 AFTERNOON AND LET'S MOVE
09/17/09 09:46:01 FORWARD.
09/17/09 09:46:03 >> IF I MAY, JUST FOR
09/17/09 09:46:03 CLARIFICATION.
09/17/09 09:46:06 THE SUBSTITUTE DOCUMENT THAT
09/17/09 09:46:09 YOU ALL APPROVED IS EXACTLY THE
09/17/09 09:46:12 SAME APPROVED AT YOUR BOARD
09/17/09 09:46:12 MEETING.
09/17/09 09:46:14 THE TWO EXHIBITS THAT ARE POST
09/17/09 09:46:17 EXECUTION ARE AN ISSUE WITH THE
09/17/09 09:46:18 ENCUMBRANCES FROM WHEN WE
09/17/09 09:46:21 BOUGHT IT FROM THE PORT.
09/17/09 09:46:23 THAT WILL BE SUBMITTED AS A
09/17/09 09:46:25 POST EXECUTION DOCUMENT AND THE
09/17/09 09:46:26 AQUARIUM WILL BE SUBMITTING
09/17/09 09:46:27 CLARIFICATION IN AN EXHIBIT AS
09/17/09 09:46:29 TO SOME PROPERTIES THAT THEY
09/17/09 09:46:32 OWN FULL TITLE TO THERE.
09/17/09 09:46:35 THAT'S ALL PROVIDED FOR
09/17/09 09:46:38 IN
09/17/09 09:46:41 THE
09/17/09 09:46:47 AGREEMENT AND WILL BE HANDLED
09/17/09 09:46:47 SUBSTANCE SEQUENTIALLY.
09/17/09 09:46:50 >> MOVE 20 THROUGH 39 WITH THE
09/17/09 09:46:53 EXCEPTION OF 37 AND
09/17/09 09:46:56 EXCUSE
09/17/09 09:46:57 ME
09/17/09 09:46:59 35 AND 37 WITHHELD.
09/17/09 09:47:02 IS THERE
09/17/09 09:47:06 A SECOND.
09/17/09 09:47:07 MOVED AND SECONDED.
09/17/09 09:47:09 ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING
09/17/09 09:47:10 AYE.
09/17/09 09:47:13 >> 35 FOR A SEPARATE
09/17/09 09:47:13 VOTE.
09/17/09 09:47:15 >> YES, I JUST WANTED TO POINT
09/17/09 09:47:16 OUT --I'M NOT SURE.
09/17/09 09:47:19 I
09/17/09 09:47:22 GUESS WE CAN VOTE SEPARATELY
09/17/09 09:47:23 ON IT.
09/17/09 09:47:26 THIS IS A CONTRACT TO PURCHASE
09/17/09 09:47:27 SOD FOR THE CITY.
09/17/09 09:47:30 AND I LOOKED INTO A LITTLE BIT
09/17/09 09:47:33 WHAT KIND OF SOD BECAUSE IT WAS
09/17/09 09:47:36 OUTLINED HERE.
09/17/09 09:47:39 AND THERE ARE TWO
09/17/09 09:47:41 DIFFERENT
09/17/09 09:47:41 KINDS.
09/17/09 09:47:43 THE DROUGHT TOLERANT GRASS.
09/17/09 09:47:44 AND THE ST. AUGUSTINE.
09/17/09 09:47:47 I WOULD LIKE TOO ASK THAT WE
09/17/09 09:47:50 NOT USE ST. AUGUSTINE GRASS.
09/17/09 09:47:52 AND I'M ALSO GOING TO BRING UP
09/17/09 09:47:54 LATER I'LL MAKE A MOTION OR
09/17/09 09:47:57 MAYBE I CAN DO IT NOW THAT
09/17/09 09:47:58 THE
09/17/09 09:48:00 CITY NEEDS TO HAVE AN APPROVED
09/17/09 09:48:02 PLANT LIST THAT GOES ALONG WITH
09/17/09 09:48:05 OUR GREEN PRACTICES AND OUR
09/17/09 09:48:08 DROUGHT PROBLEMS.
09/17/09 09:48:10 BECAUSE WE'RE ASKING CITIZENS
09/17/09 09:48:12 TO MAKE THE SACRIFICES ABOUT
09/17/09 09:48:13 WHAT THEIR PLANTING.
09/17/09 09:48:16 AND WHEN WE'RE PLANTING, WE
09/17/09 09:48:19 NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE
09/17/09 09:48:21 BEING CONSERVATIVE AND NOT
09/17/09 09:48:22 WASTING WATER.
09/17/09 09:48:24 I'M HOPING --I DON'T KNOW IF
09/17/09 09:48:27 ANYONE WAS ABLE TO MAKE IT
09/17/09 09:48:28 OVER
09/17/09 09:48:28 HERE.
09/17/09 09:48:30 I'M HOPING THAT THEY WILL NOT
09/17/09 09:48:31 BE PURCHASING ST. AUGUSTINE
09/17/09 09:48:32 GRASS.
09/17/09 09:48:35 AND IT WOULD BE A GOOD SIGNAL
09/17/09 09:48:37 TO OUR VENDORS THAT THEY NEED
09/17/09 09:48:40 TO MOVE
09/17/09 09:48:42 TOWARDS MORE
09/17/09 09:48:43 SUSTAINABLE PRACTICES AND
09/17/09 09:48:44 PRODUCTS.
09/17/09 09:48:46 >> WE SHOULD PULL THAT AND ASK
09/17/09 09:48:46 THEM TO COME OVER.
09/17/09 09:48:48 >> I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY'LL BE
09/17/09 09:48:50 ABLE TO DO THAT.
09/17/09 09:48:53 I JUST WANTED TO PULL
09/17/09 09:48:53 THAT AND
09/17/09 09:48:56 ASK --MAKE THAT
09/17/09 09:48:58 COMMENT AND
09/17/09 09:48:59 I'LL MOVE THE RESOLUTION WITH
09/17/09 09:49:02 THE HOPE THAT WE ARE GOING TO
09/17/09 09:49:03 BE SUSTAINABLE ABOUT THESE
09/17/09 09:49:04 PURCHASES.
09/17/09 09:49:05 >> THE ONLY PROBLEM IS THAT
09/17/09 09:49:08 WE'RE PULLING THIS FOR A
09/17/09 09:49:08 SEPARATE VOTE.
09/17/09 09:49:10 I ASSUMED THAT YOU WANTED TO
09/17/09 09:49:11 VOTE AGAINST IT.
09/17/09 09:49:14 >> I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE
09/17/09 09:49:15 SOME
09/17/09 09:49:18 CLARIFICATION ON --I WANT TO
09/17/09 09:49:21 THANK THEM FOR UNDERSCORING
09/17/09 09:49:24 THIS AND TO HEAR IF THEY'VE
09/17/09 09:49:26 BEEN THINKING IN TERMS OF
09/17/09 09:49:26 SUSTAINABILITY.
09/17/09 09:49:28 >> Councilwoman Mulhern: WE CAN
09/17/09 09:49:30 ASK THEM TO COME BACK.
09/17/09 09:49:31 THAT'S FINE WITH ME OR WE CAN
09/17/09 09:49:33 CONTINUE IT AND HAVE A
09/17/09 09:49:34 DISCUSSION ABOUT IT.
09/17/09 09:50:33 WE SHOULD HAVE A WORKSHOP ABOUT
09/17/09 09:50:33 THE PLANT LIST.
09/17/09 09:50:35 >> Councilman Dingfelder: THEY
09/17/09 09:50:35 THROW IT IN THE GULLIES.
09/17/09 09:50:36 I THINK YOUR POINT IS WELL
09/17/09 09:50:36 TAKEN.
09/17/09 09:50:37 IN THIS CASE, I DOUBT THAT'S
09/17/09 09:50:37 THE CASE.
09/17/09 09:50:38 THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE
09/17/09 09:50:41 IRRIGATING WITH SPRINKLE
09/17/09 09:50:41 SYSTEMS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
09/17/09 09:50:44 >> Chairman Scott: YOU WANT TO
09/17/09 09:50:47 PULL THIS FOR A SEPARATE
09/17/09 09:50:47 VOTE
09/17/09 09:50:50 OR FOR
09/17/09 09:50:53 STAFF TO
09/17/09 09:50:58 APPEAR?
09/17/09 09:50:59 >> Councilmember Mulhern: I'LL
09/17/09 09:50:59 PULL IT.
09/17/09 09:51:02 >> Chairman Scott: AND YOU'RE
09/17/09 09:51:05 REQUESTING STAFF TO BE HERE.
09/17/09 09:51:08 >> Councilman Dingfelder: I'D
09/17/09 09:51:11 LIKE TO DISCUSS RECYCLING.
09/17/09 09:51:17 YOU NEED A MOTION
09/17/09 09:51:19 OR YOU WANT
09/17/09 09:51:20 TO DO THAT.
09/17/09 09:51:20 >>
09/17/09 09:51:21 >> Chairman Scott: WE PULLED
09/17/09 09:51:24 THEM BUT I THOUGHT SHE
09/17/09 09:51:27 WANTED
09/17/09 09:51:29 A
09/17/09 09:51:29 SEPARATE VOTE.
09/17/09 09:51:30 >> Councilmember Mulhern: I
09/17/09 09:51:31 CHANGED MY MIND.
09/17/09 09:51:33 >> Chairman Scott: DID WE CARRY
09/17/09 09:51:36 THE MOTION ON THOSE ITEMS?
09/17/09 09:51:39 >>
09/17/09 09:51:40 A MOTION AND A SECOND.
09/17/09 09:51:43 >>
09/17/09 09:51:46 ALL
09/17/09 09:51:49 IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY
09/17/09 09:51:52 SKYING
09/17/09 09:51:52 AYE.
09/17/09 09:51:55 >> Councilmember Mulhern:
09/17/09 09:51:58 I
09/17/09 09:52:01 MOVE ITEMS NUMBER 40
09/17/09 09:52:01 THROUGH
09/17/09 09:52:01 46.
09/17/09 09:52:02 >> Chairman Scott: OKAY.
09/17/09 09:52:05 FOR SOME REASON
09/17/09 09:52:08 46 WILL
09/17/09 09:52:09 BE
09/17/09 09:52:12 TAKEN UP AT
09/17/09 09:52:13 1:30.
09/17/09 09:52:14 >> DO YOU HAVE A RESOLUTION?
09/17/09 09:52:16 TOM FOR SOME REASON IN MY
09/17/09 09:52:19 AGENDA REVIEW WE WERE
09/17/09 09:52:20 GOING TO
09/17/09 09:52:21 MOVE IT TO 1:30.
09/17/09 09:53:21 I'D LIKE TO MOVE ITEMS 47 TO
09/17/09 09:53:22 63.
09/17/09 09:53:22 >> THAT ONE I WANT TO VOTE ON.
09/17/09 09:53:25 >> Councilmember
09/17/09 09:53:26 Mulhern: WE
09/17/09 09:53:28 DISCUSSED THIS AT LENGTH.
09/17/09 09:53:31 BUT I HAVE A
09/17/09 09:53:32 PROBLEM AND IT
09/17/09 09:53:35 CAN'T SUPPORT SPENDING $98,000
09/17/09 09:53:37 OF TIFF MONEY ON SOMEONE
09/17/09 09:53:38 ADMINISTERING A LONE PROGRAM
09/17/09 09:53:40 WHEN THAT COULD BE SO MUCH MORE
09/17/09 09:53:43 COULD BE DONE WITH THAT
09/17/09 09:53:46 ACTUALLY USING IT FOR THE
09/17/09 09:53:46 FACADE.
09/17/09 09:53:48 I CAN'T SUPPORT THAT TODAY.
09/17/09 09:53:51 >> Chairman Scott: IS THERE A
09/17/09 09:53:51 MOTION.
09/17/09 09:53:54 >> IS HE STILL HERE?
09/17/09 09:53:57 COULD WE HOLD THIS UNTIL 10:30.
09/17/09 09:53:58 I'D LIKE ADDITIONAL
09/17/09 09:53:59 CONVERSATION ABOUT IT.
09/17/09 09:54:01 I'D LIKE TO HOLD THIS UNTIL
09/17/09 09:54:04 10:30 AND REQUEST THAT
09/17/09 09:54:05 HE COME
09/17/09 09:54:05 AT 10:30.
09/17/09 09:54:08 >> Chairman Scott: IT'S MY
09/17/09 09:54:11 UNDERSTANDING THAT IT'S FOR THE
09/17/09 09:54:11 FACADE PROGRAM.
09/17/09 09:54:14 >> Councilmember Mulhern: IT'S
09/17/09 09:54:16 FOR PAYING SOMEONE TO
09/17/09 09:54:16 ADMINISTER PROGRAM.
09/17/09 09:54:20 RATHER THAN USING OUR STAFF OR
09/17/09 09:54:22 ADVISORY BOARD TO MAKE THESE
09/17/09 09:54:25 DECISIONS, THEIR TAKING SO MUCH
09/17/09 09:54:25 MONEY.
09/17/09 09:54:28 TOM SO
09/17/09 09:54:31 YOU WANT TO HOLD
09/17/09 09:54:34 IT UP.
09/17/09 09:54:37 10:30.
09/17/09 09:54:40 WE DISCUSSED THIS.
09/17/09 09:54:40 OKAY.
09/17/09 09:54:43 ALL
09/17/09 09:54:45 RIGHT.
09/17/09 09:54:47 >> IS THAT BY UNANIMOUS
09/17/09 09:54:48 CONSENT?
09/17/09 09:54:50 >>> I JUST WANT TO SHARE A
09/17/09 09:54:50 CONCERN.
09/17/09 09:54:52 WHAT HAPPENS NORMALLY IS DOING
09/17/09 09:54:55 THE APPROVAL IS WHEN THE
09/17/09 09:54:56 ADMINISTRATION MONITORS WHO
09/17/09 09:54:58 THEY NEED TO HAVE COME AT
09/17/09 09:54:58 10:30.
09/17/09 09:55:01 AND ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE
09/17/09 09:55:03 DO HAVE THAT APPROVAL IS WE
09/17/09 09:55:04 HAVE THOSE DISCUSSIONS EARLY ON
09/17/09 09:55:07 SO THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO
09/17/09 09:55:08 MONITOR.
09/17/09 09:55:10 AND WE'RE GOING UNDER THE
09/17/09 09:55:11 ASSUMPTION THAT WE ARE.
09/17/09 09:55:14 IF WE CAN DO THAT AT THE
09/17/09 09:55:15 APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA, THE
09/17/09 09:55:17 PURPOSE IS TO PUT THE
09/17/09 09:55:20 ADMINISTRATION ON NOTICE, JUST
09/17/09 09:55:23 FOR THE SAKE
09/17/09 09:55:26 OF EX-SPEED YENCY.
09/17/09 09:55:29 >> Chairman Scott:
09/17/09 09:55:32 OKAY.
09/17/09 09:55:32 WELL NOTED.
09/17/09 09:55:35 TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE
09/17/09 09:55:35 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
09/17/09 09:55:37 >> Councilmember Dingfelder: I
09/17/09 09:55:38 JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT FROM
09/17/09 09:55:40 THE 40th STREET CORRIDOR WITH A
09/17/09 09:55:43 BID AND AWARDING
09/17/09 09:55:44 THE BID ON
09/17/09 09:55:47 ITEM 70 FOR $4 MILLION TO
09/17/09 09:55:50 CONTINUE THE 48th
09/17/09 09:55:50 STREET
09/17/09 09:55:51 PROJECT.
09/17/09 09:55:52 THAT'S SEGMENT A. WE'RE MAKING
09/17/09 09:55:54 GOOD PROGRESS AND I THINK
09/17/09 09:55:55 PROBABLY WITHIN THE NEXT YEAR
09/17/09 09:55:58 OR TWO IT WILL ALL
09/17/09 09:55:58 BE DONE.
09/17/09 09:56:01 WITH THAT I'LL MOVE ITEMS
09/17/09 09:56:03 64
09/17/09 09:56:06 THROUGH
09/17/09 09:56:08 77.
09/17/09 09:56:09 >> SECOND.
09/17/09 09:56:12 >> MOVED
09/17/09 09:56:13 AND SECONDED.
09/17/09 09:56:13 SECONDED BY.
09/17/09 09:56:16 >> IT INCLUDED THE RESOLUTION
09/17/09 09:56:17 FROM STAFF PROVIDED RECENTLY.
09/17/09 09:56:20 AND THAT WILL BE TAKEN
09/17/09 09:56:23 UP
09/17/09 09:56:24 AT
09/17/09 09:56:25 1:30.
09/17/09 09:56:25 >> THEY GOT IT NOW.
09/17/09 09:56:28 >> I'D
09/17/09 09:56:31 LIKE TO
09/17/09 09:56:33 SET FOR PUBLIC
09/17/09 09:56:34 HEARING.
09/17/09 09:56:34 SECOND BY.
09/17/09 09:56:37 MOVE TO 9:30 PUBLIC HEARING FOR
09/17/09 09:56:37 SECOND READING.
09/17/09 09:56:40 THOSE WHO ARE GOING TO BE
09/17/09 09:56:43 APPEARING ARE TALKING TO
09/17/09 09:56:44 COUNCIL, ADDRESSING COUNCIL.
09/17/09 09:56:44 STAND AND BE SWORN AT THIS
09/17/09 09:56:48 TIME.
09/17/09 09:56:53 >> DO YOU SOLEMNLY SWEAR TO
09/17/09 09:56:56 TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE
09/17/09 09:57:02 TRUTH, AND
09/17/09 09:57:08 NOTHING BUT THE
09/17/09 09:57:08 TRUTH.
09/17/09 09:57:11 >> I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS ON YOUR
09/17/09 09:57:14 AGENDA ITEM 79, 80,
09/17/09 09:57:20 AND
09/17/09 09:57:20 81.
09/17/09 09:57:23 ON 79, WE WERE UNABLE TO
09/17/09 09:57:23 CERTIFICATE.
09/17/09 09:57:25 THE PETITIONER IS GOING TO
09/17/09 09:57:26 RESUBMIT TO US.
09/17/09 09:57:29 WE WOULD NEED TO
09/17/09 09:57:31 CONTINUE SECOND
09/17/09 09:57:37 READING
09/17/09 09:57:40 UNTIL OCTOBER 1ST.
09/17/09 09:57:43 >> MOVED TO CONTINUE
09/17/09 09:57:44 79.
09/17/09 09:57:46 >> THAT WOULD BE 9:30.
09/17/09 09:57:47 OKAY.
09/17/09 09:57:50 ON
09/17/09 09:57:51 ITEM 80.
09/17/09 09:57:54 THE SITE PLAN
09/17/09 09:57:57 WAS ABLE
09/17/09 09:57:58 TO BE
09/17/09 09:57:59 CERTIFICATED.
09/17/09 09:57:59 I'D PROVIDE COPIES.
09/17/09 09:58:00 >> 81 ALSO?
09/17/09 09:58:03 AFTER I'M SORRY, 81
09/17/09 09:58:04 IS A YOU
09/17/09 09:58:07 LIQUIDIAN ZONING AND DID NOT
09/17/09 09:58:10 REQUIRE A MODIFIED SITE PLAN.
09/17/09 09:58:13 THAT WAS THE 520
09/17/09 09:58:14 AND IT DID
09/17/09 09:58:17 RECEIVE
09/17/09 09:58:18 A FAVORABLE
09/17/09 09:58:19 RECOMMENDATION FOR THE
09/17/09 09:58:19 REZONING.
09/17/09 09:58:22 >> Chairman Scott: LET ME --WE
09/17/09 09:58:23 ONLY HAVE THOSE TWO ITEMS.
09/17/09 09:58:26 WE'RE MOVING PRETTY
09/17/09 09:58:27 FAST.
09/17/09 09:58:28 I WANT TO PUT THE
09/17/09 09:58:29 ADMINISTRATION ON NOTICE THEY
09/17/09 09:58:31 CAN SHOW UP A LITTLE EARLIER
09/17/09 09:58:34 FOR THE 10:30 ITEMS, THAT WOULD
09/17/09 09:58:35 BE HELPFUL.
09/17/09 09:58:36 ITEM 80.
09/17/09 09:58:39 ANYONE WANTS TO ADDRESS
09/17/09 09:58:42 COUNCIL
09/17/09 09:58:45 ON
09/17/09 09:58:47 ITEM 80?
09/17/09 09:58:48 >> MOVE TO CLOSE.
09/17/09 09:58:48 >>
09/17/09 09:58:49 >> Councilmember Saul-Sena: AN
09/17/09 09:58:51 ORDINANCE PROPERTY IN THE
09/17/09 09:58:52 GENERALLY VICINITY OF 2302 WEST
09/17/09 09:58:55 ST. LOUIS STREET IN THE
09/17/09 09:58:57 CITY OF
09/17/09 09:58:57 TAMPA.
09/17/09 09:59:00 DESCRIBED FROM ZONING DISTRICT
09/17/09 09:59:01 CLASSIFICATIONS, RESIDENTIAL
09/17/09 09:59:02 SINGLE FAMILY TO PLANNED
09/17/09 09:59:03 DEVELOPMENT BUSINESS
09/17/09 09:59:05 PROFESSIONAL OFFICE PROVIDING
09/17/09 09:59:06 AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
09/17/09 09:59:09 >> MOVED
09/17/09 09:59:12 AND SECONDED
09/17/09 09:59:13 BY.
09/17/09 09:59:16 RECORD YOUR VOTE, PLEASE.
09/17/09 09:59:25 MOTION CARRIED
09/17/09 09:59:31 WITH
09/17/09 09:59:34 MIRANDA
09/17/09 09:59:38 AND
09/17/09 09:59:39 CAETANO BEING.
09/17/09 09:59:41 >> Councilmember Miller: FOR
09/17/09 09:59:42 SECOND READING.
09/17/09 09:59:44 REZONING PROPERTY IN THE
09/17/09 09:59:47 VICINITY OF IN THE CITY OF
09/17/09 09:59:53 TAMPA AND SECTION 1 FROM
09/17/09 09:59:54 ZONING
09/17/09 09:59:57 DISTRICT CLASSIFICATION.
09/17/09 09:59:58 >> MOVED AND SECONDED.
09/17/09 10:00:01 SECONDED
09/17/09 10:00:04 BY COUNCILWOMAN
09/17/09 10:00:05 SAUL-
09/17/09 10:00:07 SENA RECORD YOUR VOTE, PLEASE.
09/17/09 10:00:10 >>
09/17/09 10:00:13 MOTION
09/17/09 10:00:16 CARRIED WITH CAETANO
09/17/09 10:00:22 AND
09/17/09 10:00:27 MIRANDA BEING ABSTAIN
09/17/09 10:00:27 INNOCENT VOTE.
09/17/09 10:00:30 >>> THIS
09/17/09 10:00:33 IS ON THE
09/17/09 10:00:36 LATE
09/17/09 10:00:37 FEE
09/17/09 10:00:37 FILING.
09/17/09 10:00:37 YES.
09/17/09 10:00:39 >> ACTUALLY, THE PETITIONER --
09/17/09 10:00:42 THE PROPERTY --THE SITE IS IN
09/17/09 10:00:43 COMPLIANCE.
09/17/09 10:00:45 WE'RE RECOMMENDING THAT IT GET
09/17/09 10:00:46 REMOVED FROM THE AGENDA.
09/17/09 10:00:49 >> SO THEY PAID THE
09/17/09 10:00:50 FEE.
09/17/09 10:00:52 MOTION TO REMOVE.
09/17/09 10:00:55 MOVED AND SECONDED BY
09/17/09 10:00:58 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER AND
09/17/09 10:00:59 SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER SAUL-
09/17/09 10:00:59 SENA.
09/17/09 10:01:02 OKAY, WE'RE ON OUR 10:30 ITEMS.
09/17/09 10:01:20 >> COUNCIL I'M HERE
09/17/09 10:01:21 REGARDING
09/17/09 10:01:24 ITEMS 83
09/17/09 10:01:26 THROUGH 86.
09/17/09 10:01:28 THE FIRST BEING THE BURIAL --
09/17/09 10:01:31 WE NEED AN ALTERNATE MEMBER AND
09/17/09 10:01:32 WE RECEIVED NO APPLICATIONS.
09/17/09 10:01:35 >> IS THERE A SPECIFIC
09/17/09 10:01:38 REQUIREMENT ON THAT ONE LIKE
09/17/09 10:01:39 ARCHITECT OR HISTORIAN.
09/17/09 10:01:41 >> ALTERNATE CAN FILL ANY OF
09/17/09 10:01:42 THE POSITIONS.
09/17/09 10:01:43 ANY OF THE REQUIREMENTS.
09/17/09 10:01:46 >> ANYBODY WHO IS WATCHING
09/17/09 10:01:46 AND
09/17/09 10:01:49 INTERESTED IN
09/17/09 10:01:52 YBOR
09/17/09 10:01:53 CITY
09/17/09 10:01:55 HISTORICAL ISSUES SHOULD
09/17/09 10:01:56 CONTACT YOU.
09/17/09 10:01:58 >>> ON ITEM 84, THE CIVIL
09/17/09 10:02:00 SERVICE BOARD NEEDS ONE MEMBER
09/17/09 10:02:02 DUE TO A RESIGNATION.
09/17/09 10:02:04 THE INDIVIDUAL MOVED OUTSIDE
09/17/09 10:02:06 THE CITY LIMITS.
09/17/09 10:02:08 WE WILL READVERTISE THAT ONE
09/17/09 10:02:09 ALSO.
09/17/09 10:02:11 PLEASE NOTE THAT THE PERSON
09/17/09 10:02:13 MUST BE A RESIDENT OF THE CITY
09/17/09 10:02:16 AND CANNOT BE AN
09/17/09 10:02:19 EMPLOYEE OF
09/17/09 10:02:20 THE CITY OF TAMPA.
09/17/09 10:02:23 >> ITEM 85 THE ENTERPRISE ZONE
09/17/09 10:02:26 DEVELOPMENT AGENCY, WE HAVE
09/17/09 10:02:28 THREE VACANCIES.
09/17/09 10:02:31 TWO DUE TO RESIGNATION AND ONE
09/17/09 10:02:34 DUE TO TERM
09/17/09 10:02:34 EXPIRATION.
09/17/09 10:02:37 I WILL NOTE THAT MS. LENA YOUNG
09/17/09 10:02:39 GREEN HAS REQUESTED
09/17/09 10:02:39 REAPPOINTMENT.
09/17/09 10:02:42 SHE WAS CONCEPTED TO BE
09/17/09 10:02:46 HERE
09/17/09 10:02:47 BUT SHE HAS REQUESTED
09/17/09 10:02:50 REAPPOINTMENT AND THE OTHER TWO
09/17/09 10:02:52 POSITIONS WE WILL READVERTISE.
09/17/09 10:02:55 >> MOVE BY COUNCILWOMAN MILLER
09/17/09 10:02:58 AND ALL
09/17/09 10:03:01 IN FAVOR SIGNIFY
09/17/09 10:03:01 BY
09/17/09 10:03:02 SAYING AYE.
09/17/09 10:03:04 >> ON ITEM 86, THE EQUAL
09/17/09 10:03:07 BUSINESS OPPORTUNITY ADVISORY
09/17/09 10:03:10 COUNCIL, WE HAVE OUR TWO
09/17/09 10:03:10 VACANCIES.
09/17/09 10:03:13 ONE FOR A CITIZEN WHO
09/17/09 10:03:14 IS
09/17/09 10:03:17 HISPANIC AMERICAN AND A CITIZEN
09/17/09 10:03:19 WHO IS A CAUCASIAN FEMALE.
09/17/09 10:03:22 WE DID NOT RECEIVE ANY
09/17/09 10:03:22 APPLICATIONS.
09/17/09 10:03:25 AND WE
09/17/09 10:03:27 WILL READVERTISE THAT
09/17/09 10:03:30 ONE ALSO.
09/17/09 10:03:31 >> OKAY.
09/17/09 10:03:31 GOOD.
09/17/09 10:03:33 >> THANK YOU.
09/17/09 10:03:34 >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09/17/09 10:03:37 ITEM 87 WE JUST
09/17/09 10:03:39 RECEIVED A
09/17/09 10:03:39 FILE.
09/17/09 10:03:40 THE MEMO REGARDING --
09/17/09 10:03:40 >> I'M SORRY.
09/17/09 10:03:42 I'M GOING TO DIRECT YOUR
09/17/09 10:03:45 ATTENTION BACK TO ITEM 86 IF
09/17/09 10:03:45 YOU CAN.
09/17/09 10:03:48 ITEM 86 WAS
09/17/09 10:03:51 A MEMO THAT COUNCIL
09/17/09 10:03:52 HAD RECEIVED FROM MR. TERRITO
09/17/09 10:03:55 REGARDING THE TERMS OF OFFICE
09/17/09 10:03:56 FOR THE EQUAL BUSINESS
09/17/09 10:03:59 OPPORTUNITY ADVISORY COUNCIL.
09/17/09 10:04:02 YOU RECEIVED A CHART AND TAKING
09/17/09 10:04:02 COUNCILMEMBER SAUL-SENA'S
09/17/09 10:04:04 SUGGESTION TO PUT THE PEOPLE
09/17/09 10:04:07 WITH THE LAST NAME
09/17/09 10:04:08 FROM THE END
09/17/09 10:04:10 OF THE LIST.
09/17/09 10:04:12 HE'S PREPARED THAT CHART FOR
09/17/09 10:04:12 YOU.
09/17/09 10:04:15 AND YOU RECEIVED A MEMO FROM
09/17/09 10:04:18 GREG HART AND THAT WOULD BE
09/17/09 10:04:20 CONSISTENT WITH THE RULES
09/17/09 10:04:20 ESTABLISHED.
09/17/09 10:04:21 IF THAT IS ACCEPT TO BELIEVE
09/17/09 10:04:23 YOU, THEN IT WOULD BE
09/17/09 10:04:27 APPROPRIATE FOR YOU TO
09/17/09 10:04:27 GIVE
09/17/09 10:04:30 DIRECTION TO
09/17/09 10:04:32 FOLLOW THE
09/17/09 10:04:32 RECOMMENDATIONS.
09/17/09 10:04:35 >>
09/17/09 10:04:38 MOVED
09/17/09 10:04:44 AND
09/17/09 10:05:06 SECONDED.
09/17/09 10:05:07 MOVE BY DINGFELDER.
09/17/09 10:05:09 >> I BELIEVE HE'S RECOMMENDING
09/17/09 10:05:12 THAT A
09/17/09 10:05:14 WORKSHOP BE SCHEDULED
09/17/09 10:05:14 AFTER THE ETHICS COMMISSION HAD
09/17/09 10:05:17 AN OPPORTUNITY.
09/17/09 10:05:20 >> WE'LL WAIT UNTIL WE
09/17/09 10:05:21 HEAR
09/17/09 10:05:21 BACK.
09/17/09 10:05:25 >> I'D LIKE TO WAIT UNTIL WE
09/17/09 10:05:27 HAVE AN UPDATE.
09/17/09 10:05:30 >> MOVED AND
09/17/09 10:05:32 SECONDED.
09/17/09 10:05:33 ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING
09/17/09 10:05:33 AYE.
09/17/09 10:05:36 ITEM NINE.
09/17/09 10:05:45 >> A RESOLUTION DESIGNATES
09/17/09 10:05:48 OCTOBER
09/17/09 10:05:51 AS NATIONAL
09/17/09 10:05:54 DOMESTIC
09/17/09 10:05:54 VIOLENCE AWARENESS MONTH.
09/17/09 10:05:55 >> FALL FAVOR --
09/17/09 10:06:09 ITEM 90.
09/17/09 10:06:12 [ INDISCERNIBLE ]
09/17/09 10:06:15 >> WE'RE WAY
09/17/09 10:06:15 EARLY.
09/17/09 10:06:15 OKAY.
09/17/09 10:06:18 DO WE WANT
09/17/09 10:06:20 TO TAKE UP ITEM 91?
09/17/09 10:06:23 ITEM 91
09/17/09 10:06:26 IS ON THE WASTE
09/17/09 10:06:28 WATER
09/17/09 10:06:28 CHARGES.
09/17/09 10:06:31 WE CAN'T TAKE
09/17/09 10:06:32 THAT UP EITHER.
09/17/09 10:06:35 >> WHAT
09/17/09 10:06:38 NUMBER IS THAT?
09/17/09 10:06:40 >> WHAT IS THAT?
09/17/09 10:06:40 37?
09/17/09 10:06:43 >> IF WE
09/17/09 10:06:46 COULD
09/17/09 10:06:48 TAKE UP 37.
09/17/09 10:06:48 >> JUST WALKED IN.
09/17/09 10:06:51 >> 37.
09/17/09 10:06:57 I PULLED THAT MR. CHAIRMAN
09/17/09 10:07:00 ITEM
09/17/09 10:07:00 37.
09/17/09 10:07:03 THIS IS FOR A
09/17/09 10:07:04 BIG CONTRACT WITH
09/17/09 10:07:07 THE WM WASTE MANAGEMENT FOR A
09/17/09 10:07:10 HALF MILLION DOLLARS TO HANDLE
09/17/09 10:07:10 OUR RECYCLING.
09/17/09 10:07:13 AND I JUST WANTED A LITTLE BIT
09/17/09 10:07:16 OF BACKGROUND AND EXPLANATION
09/17/09 10:07:18 ON THAT STEVE FROM YOU.
09/17/09 10:07:21 AND THEN I HAD A
09/17/09 10:07:22 QUESTION.
09/17/09 10:07:25 >>
09/17/09 10:07:27 OKAY.
09/17/09 10:07:30 THE WAY OF BACKGROUND,
09/17/09 10:07:31 WE
09/17/09 10:07:34 COLLECT, RECYCLABLES THROUGHOUT
09/17/09 10:07:34 THE CITY.
09/17/09 10:07:37 WE HAVE A CONTRACT WITH THEM TO
09/17/09 10:07:38 TAKE OUR RECYCLABLES.
09/17/09 10:07:41 WE COLLECT IT ALL IN A SINGLE
09/17/09 10:07:42 STREAM.
09/17/09 10:07:44 THEY TAKE IT, THEY SORT IT, AND
09/17/09 10:07:46 THEY SELL IT.
09/17/09 10:07:49 AT THIS POINT, THERE'S
09/17/09 10:07:49 NOT MUCH
09/17/09 10:07:51 MARKET FOR RECYCLABLES, SO IT
09/17/09 10:07:54 IS A COST TO US THAT'S PART
09/17/09 10:07:54 OF
09/17/09 10:07:56 OUR DOING BUSINESS FOR US TO
09/17/09 10:07:58 TAKE IT AND SEPARATE IT AND
09/17/09 10:07:58 DISTRIBUTE IT.
09/17/09 10:08:01 >> I THOUGHT WHEN I WAS READING
09/17/09 10:08:04 IT I
09/17/09 10:08:07 THOUGHT THEY PAID US X
09/17/09 10:08:08 AMOUNT PER TON.
09/17/09 10:08:10 >> THAT'S IN THE CONTRACT.
09/17/09 10:08:11 BUT THE CONDITIONS ARE NOT
09/17/09 10:08:14 CORRECT
09/17/09 10:08:17 YET FOR THAT TO
09/17/09 10:08:18 HAPPEN
09/17/09 10:08:19 YET.
09/17/09 10:08:22 >> THE WAY THE CONTRACT
09/17/09 10:08:22 IS
09/17/09 10:08:25 NEGOTIATED ONCE WE GET A
09/17/09 10:08:26 THRESHOLD WHERE THEY'RE
09/17/09 10:08:28 RECEIVING REVENUES ABOVE $45,
09/17/09 10:08:31 THEN IT'S NEGOTIATED FOR AN
09/17/09 10:08:32 80
09/17/09 10:08:34 TO 20%.
09/17/09 10:08:36 80% COMING TO THE CITY ABOVE
09/17/09 10:08:38 THE THRESHOLD, 20% SOURCE OF
09/17/09 10:08:40 REVENUE SHARING THAT'S BEEN
09/17/09 10:08:42 NEGOTIATED WITH THE CONTRACT.
09/17/09 10:08:44 >> I WAS CURIOUS AS TO WHY THIS
09/17/09 10:08:47 WAS NOT A STRAIGHT BID.
09/17/09 10:08:50 AS RELATED TO THE FACT THAT WE
09/17/09 10:08:52 HAVE --WE'VE GOT THIS STUFF.
09/17/09 10:08:55 WE TAKE IT TO THEM WITH
09/17/09 10:08:55 OUR
09/17/09 10:08:58 TRUCKS AND OUR MAN AND WOMAN
09/17/09 10:08:58 POWER.
09/17/09 10:09:02 AND WE DUMP IT TO THEM AND
09/17/09 10:09:02 WE
09/17/09 10:09:05 GET OR DON'T GET
09/17/09 10:09:06 MONEY BACK.
09/17/09 10:09:07 IT DIDN'T SEEM VERY COMPLEX.
09/17/09 10:09:10 USUALLY THEY'RE ASSOCIATED WITH
09/17/09 10:09:13 THINGS THAT ARE MORE COMPLEX.
09/17/09 10:09:14 EXCUSE MY IGNORANCE AND TELL ME
09/17/09 10:09:17 WHY IT WOULD BE AN RP AND NOT
09/17/09 10:09:18 A
09/17/09 10:09:18 BID.
09/17/09 10:09:20 >> THERE ARE OTHER VENDORS SO
09/17/09 10:09:21 THEY GAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET
09/17/09 10:09:24 THE BEST PRICE FOR THE
09/17/09 10:09:25 CITY.
09/17/09 10:09:27 SO THAT'S WHY IT WAS RFP.
09/17/09 10:09:30 WE GOT COMPETITION
09/17/09 10:09:31 AND WE
09/17/09 10:09:33 NEGOTIATED A LOWER PRICE.
09/17/09 10:09:35 >> I MEAN WHY DIDN'T WE JUST
09/17/09 10:09:37 ESTABLISH WHAT THE MECHANISM
09/17/09 10:09:38 WAS, WHAT THE CRITERIA WAS
09/17/09 10:09:41 GOING TO BE TO GO TO THE LOWEST
09/17/09 10:09:44 PRICE AND DO IT AS A BID AND
09/17/09 10:09:47 SAY THIS IS WHAT
09/17/09 10:09:48 OUR
09/17/09 10:09:48 EXPECTATIONS ARE.
09/17/09 10:09:50 GIVE US YOUR BEST DEAL.
09/17/09 10:09:52 >> I THINK WE USED THIS PROCESS
09/17/09 10:09:55 TO GET THE CITY THE
09/17/09 10:09:56 BEST DEAL.
09/17/09 10:09:59 IT'S NOT AS SIMPLE AS GIVE ME A
09/17/09 10:10:00 CHEVROLET SEDAN.
09/17/09 10:10:03 IT'S NOT AS CLEAR AND CUT AND
09/17/09 10:10:04 DRY BECAUSE OF THE FORMULAS.
09/17/09 10:10:07 >> BECAUSE OF THE FORM LAS,
09/17/09 10:10:07 THE
09/17/09 10:10:08 MIX OF WASTE STREAM.
09/17/09 10:10:11 HOW FAR AWAY DO WE HAVE TO
09/17/09 10:10:11 DEPOSIT IT.
09/17/09 10:10:12 WHO WILL DO WHAT.
09/17/09 10:10:15 WE USED THE PROCESS TO ALLOW US
09/17/09 10:10:18 TO NEGOTIATE AND GET US THE
09/17/09 10:10:18 BEST DEAL.
09/17/09 10:10:21 >> YOU UNDERSTAND MY QUESTION
09/17/09 10:10:21 THOUGH.
09/17/09 10:10:24 MY LAST QUESTION
09/17/09 10:10:26 IS SORT OF IN
09/17/09 10:10:26 THE BIGGER PICTURE.
09/17/09 10:10:30 AS LONG AS IT'S ON THE AGENDA,
09/17/09 10:10:31 I WANTED TO BRING IT UP.
09/17/09 10:10:33 WE HAVE FOREVER CORRECT ME IF
09/17/09 10:10:35 I'M WRONG --OUR PROGRAM HAS
09/17/09 10:10:37 BEEN FOCUSED ON SINGLE FAMILY
09/17/09 10:10:39 RESIDENTIAL AND I THINK IT
09/17/09 10:10:41 MENTIONS DUPLEXES, THAT SORT OF
09/17/09 10:10:41 THING.
09/17/09 10:10:44 I DON'T KNOW HOW ACTIVE
09/17/09 10:10:47 WE ARE
09/17/09 10:10:50 IN TERMS OF
09/17/09 10:10:51 BUSINESS,
09/17/09 10:10:53 RECYCLING, DOWNTOWN RECYCLING.
09/17/09 10:10:53 APARTMENT COMPLEXES.
09/17/09 10:10:55 I'VE HAD FOLKS IN BAYSHORE
09/17/09 10:10:57 APARTMENT COMPLEXES IN MY
09/17/09 10:11:00 DISTRICT WHO BEGGED ME TO
09/17/09 10:11:01 HAVE
09/17/09 10:11:04 THE CITY BE MORE INVOLVED
09/17/09 10:11:05 IN
09/17/09 10:11:07 HELPING THEM HAVE THEIR
09/17/09 10:11:08 RESIDENTS RECYCLE.
09/17/09 10:11:10 I KNOW IT'S A LOSER
09/17/09 10:11:10 ECONOMICALLY.
09/17/09 10:11:13 BUT MAY BE SOCIETILY,
09/17/09 10:11:16 IT'S A
09/17/09 10:11:16 WINNER.
09/17/09 10:11:18 WHERE ARE WE ON THOSE ISSUES?
09/17/09 10:11:21 >> RIGHT NOW WE HAVE THREE
09/17/09 10:11:24 COMMERCIAL
09/17/09 10:11:24 ROUTES.
09/17/09 10:11:26 WE ARE WORKING TO EXPAND THE
09/17/09 10:11:27 MULTIFAMILY COMMERCIAL
09/17/09 10:11:27 RESIDENTIAL PROGRAM.
09/17/09 10:11:30 WHAT I WANT TO DO IN OCTOBER
09/17/09 10:11:32 IS
09/17/09 10:11:34 GIVE YOU A MORE THOROUGH
09/17/09 10:11:34 UPDATE.
09/17/09 10:11:37 WE HAD A GRANT THAT LOOKED AT
09/17/09 10:11:39 BOTH COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL
09/17/09 10:11:40 RECYCLING AND WE GOT THE
09/17/09 10:11:42 RESULTS OF THAT STUDY.
09/17/09 10:11:43 AND BASED ON THOSE STUDIES,
09/17/09 10:11:46 WE'RE GETTING READY TO DO SOME
09/17/09 10:11:47 PILOTS ON THE COMMERCIAL SIDE
09/17/09 10:11:48 AND THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE
09/17/09 10:11:51 BECAUSE IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO
09/17/09 10:11:54 DO FROM AN
09/17/09 10:11:56 ENVIRONMENTAL
09/17/09 10:11:57 STEWARDSHIP STANDPOINT.
09/17/09 10:11:59 AND YES, THE COST FAR EXCEEDS
09/17/09 10:11:59 ANY REVENUES.
09/17/09 10:12:01 BUT IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO.
09/17/09 10:12:04 I WILL TELL YOU
09/17/09 10:12:07 THAT WE DO HAVE
09/17/09 10:12:09 COMMERCIAL RECYCLING.
09/17/09 10:12:12 IN FACT, LAST YEAR, IN
09/17/09 10:12:14 OUR
09/17/09 10:12:15 COMMERCIAL RECYCLING PROGRAM,
09/17/09 10:12:16 WE COLLECTED ABOUT 1200 TONS.
09/17/09 10:12:19 WE KNOW THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY
09/17/09 10:12:20 TO EXPAND.
09/17/09 10:12:22 I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU
09/17/09 10:12:24 KNOW THAT WE HAVE SOME
09/17/09 10:12:25 COMMERCIAL RECYCLING ACCOUNTS.
09/17/09 10:12:26 THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO
09/17/09 10:12:29 SHARE THE GIVEN WHAT WE'RE
09/17/09 10:12:30 DOING WITH TAMPA INTERNATIONAL
09/17/09 10:12:33 AIRPORT IN A COUPLE
09/17/09 10:12:36 OF MONTHS
09/17/09 10:12:38 AGO, WE RECEIVED A REWARD FROM
09/17/09 10:12:39 RECYCLE FLORIDA REGARDING THAT
09/17/09 10:12:39 PROGRAM.
09/17/09 10:12:42 SO THERE ARE SOME THINGS GOING
09/17/09 10:12:44 ON WITH THE COMMERCIAL
09/17/09 10:12:45 RECYCLING PROGRAM THAT I
09/17/09 10:12:46 DEFINITELY WANT TO SHARE MORE
09/17/09 10:12:48 WHEN I GOT MORE TIME IN
09/17/09 10:12:49 OCTOBER.
09/17/09 10:12:51 SO WE'RE MOVING TO EXPAND THE
09/17/09 10:12:51 PROGRAM.
09/17/09 10:12:54 >> DO WE HAVE A SENSE --THANK
09/17/09 10:12:57 YOU, THIS IS MY LAST QUESTION.
09/17/09 10:12:58 DO WE HAVE A SENSE.
09/17/09 10:13:01 WE KNOW IT'S STILL GOING TO
09/17/09 10:13:04 COME INTO OUR WASTE STREAM IF
09/17/09 10:13:06 IT'S NOT RECYCLED.
09/17/09 10:13:10 DO WE HAVE A SENSE OF HOW
09/17/09 10:13:10 MUCH
09/17/09 10:13:12 IS NOT BEING RECYCLED
09/17/09 10:13:15 REGARDLESS OF WHERE IT'S COMING
09/17/09 10:13:16 FROM, COMMERCIAL OR MULTIFAMILY
09/17/09 10:13:17 OR WHAT HAVE YOU?
09/17/09 10:13:19 WHAT IS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR
09/17/09 10:13:21 MAKING PROGRESS IN THAT AREA?
09/17/09 10:13:23 IS THAT PART OF THAT SERVICE?
09/17/09 10:13:24 >> THAT'S PART OF THAT STUDY.
09/17/09 10:13:26 I DIDN'T BRING THAT INFORMATION
09/17/09 10:13:26 WITH ME.
09/17/09 10:13:29 I'M GOING TO COVER THAT IN
09/17/09 10:13:31 DETAIL IN OCTOBER.
09/17/09 10:13:32 WHAT I WILL SAY --
09/17/09 10:13:34 >> ARE YOU SCHEDULED FOR A
09/17/09 10:13:35 WORKSHOP WITH US?
09/17/09 10:13:37 >> OCTOBER 15th TO PRESENT AN
09/17/09 10:13:39 UPDATE ON THE RECYCLING
09/17/09 10:13:39 PROGRAM.
09/17/09 10:13:40 >> WE CAN GO INTO IT MORE THEN.
09/17/09 10:13:43 >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09/17/09 10:13:44 >> THANK YOU.
09/17/09 10:13:47 >> AND I'LL BE GLAD TO MOVE 37
09/17/09 10:13:50 IF WE HADN'T MOVED IT ALREADY.
09/17/09 10:13:53 >> IS THERE A SECOND?
09/17/09 10:13:53 >> SECOND.
09/17/09 10:13:55 >> MOVED AND SECONDED.
09/17/09 10:13:58 ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY
09/17/09 10:14:01 BY SAYING
09/17/09 10:14:01 AYE.
09/17/09 10:14:02 >> 35.
09/17/09 10:14:03 >> 35, OKAY.
09/17/09 10:14:05 >> THAT WAS STORM ORDER.
09/17/09 10:14:08 >> I DON'T KNOW IF STEVE,
09/17/09 10:14:08 YOU
09/17/09 10:14:11 COULD ANSWER
09/17/09 10:14:14 ME ON THIS
09/17/09 10:14:16 IN
09/17/09 10:14:16 PARTICULAR.
09/17/09 10:14:17 I GUESS COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER
09/17/09 10:14:20 SUGGESTED THAT THERE WOULDN'T
09/17/09 10:14:21 BE ANY WATERING NECESSARY.
09/17/09 10:14:24 IS THIS FOR A SPECIFIC PLACE
09/17/09 10:14:25 FOR STORM WATER, THIS CONTRACT?
09/17/09 10:14:29 OR
09/17/09 10:14:32 IS THIS JUST
09/17/09 10:14:33 A GENERAL
09/17/09 10:14:33 CONTRACT?
09/17/09 10:14:35 >> WE HAVE DITCHES THROUGHOUT
09/17/09 10:14:35 CITY.
09/17/09 10:14:38 SOME ARE IN FRONT YARDS AND
09/17/09 10:14:40 SIDE YARDS AND BACKWARDS.
09/17/09 10:14:42 AND THEY USUALLY HAVE GRASS.
09/17/09 10:14:45 WE REQUIRE PEOPLE TO MAINTAIN
09/17/09 10:14:45 THAT RIGHT-OF-WAY.
09/17/09 10:14:47 SO PEOPLE MAINTAIN THOSE AND
09/17/09 10:14:50 IT'S FREQUENTLY AN EXTENSION
09/17/09 10:14:51 OF
09/17/09 10:14:51 THEIR YARD.
09/17/09 10:14:53 MANY PEOPLE HAVE PUT A LOT OF
09/17/09 10:14:55 WORK INTO THEIR YARD AND HAVE A
09/17/09 10:14:57 PARTICULAR TYPE OF GRASS.
09/17/09 10:15:00 THE REASON WE DO THIS IS TO TRY
09/17/09 10:15:01 TO REPLACE THE SOD WITH
09/17/09 10:15:03 WHATEVER WE'VE TAKEN AWAY.
09/17/09 10:15:04 WHEN WE GO IN TO REGRADE, WE
09/17/09 10:15:06 HAVE TO TAKE ALL THE SOD OUT
09/17/09 10:15:08 AND LOWER IT.
09/17/09 10:15:10 DIG THE DIRT OUT AND MAKE IT
09/17/09 10:15:11 DRAIN IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
09/17/09 10:15:14 AND THEN WE TRY TO REPLACE IT
09/17/09 10:15:16 WITH THE SAME TYPE OF SOD WE
09/17/09 10:15:18 TOOK OUT.
09/17/09 10:15:20 AND THEY'RE REQUIRED TO
09/17/09 10:15:20 MAINTAIN IT.
09/17/09 10:15:23 >> I THINK THAT THAT --YOU
09/17/09 10:15:26 CAN'T HAVE IT
09/17/09 10:15:28 BOTH WAYS.
09/17/09 10:15:30 YOU CAN'T REPLACE PEOPLE'S SOD
09/17/09 10:15:33 WITH SOD THAT IS NOT DROUGHT
09/17/09 10:15:36 TOLERANT AND THEN EXPECT
09/17/09 10:15:36 THEM
09/17/09 10:15:37 TO CONVERT.
09/17/09 10:15:39 I AM GOING TO VOTE AGAINST
09/17/09 10:15:39 THIS.
09/17/09 10:15:42 I THINK WE NEED TO MAKE A
09/17/09 10:15:45 COMMITMENT TO ONLY PURCHASING
09/17/09 10:15:46 AND USING DROUGHT TOLERANT
09/17/09 10:15:48 PRODUCTS AND ESPECIALLY BECAUSE
09/17/09 10:15:50 THIS IS --HOPEFULLY, THERE'LL
09/17/09 10:15:53 BE WATER IN THOSE STORM DRAINS,
09/17/09 10:15:54 IN THOSE DITCHES.
09/17/09 10:15:57 WE'RE GOING INTO
09/17/09 10:15:58 FIVE YEARS
09/17/09 10:15:59 LOOKS LIKE OF DROUGHT.
09/17/09 10:16:01 I JUST PHILOSOPHICALLY THINK WE
09/17/09 10:16:03 NEED TO CHANGE THIS AND I THINK
09/17/09 10:16:06 COUNCIL NEEDS TO WORK ON AN
09/17/09 10:16:08 ORDINANCE FOR US THAT'S GOT
09/17/09 10:16:11 APPROVED PLANT LISTS FOR US SO
09/17/09 10:16:14 THAT WE'RE NOT
09/17/09 10:16:16 PUTTING IN
09/17/09 10:16:19 ANYTHING
09/17/09 10:16:22 THAT ISN'T
09/17/09 10:16:22 SUSTAINABLE.
09/17/09 10:16:24 >> NUMBER 35.
09/17/09 10:16:25 >> SECOND.
09/17/09 10:16:26 >> NOT A SECOND?
09/17/09 10:16:28 >> MAYBE WE COULD CONTINUE THIS
09/17/09 10:16:30 FOR TWO WEEKS JUST TO THINK
09/17/09 10:16:32 ABOUT IT A LITTLE BIT.
09/17/09 10:16:33 I HEAR WHAT MS. MULHERN IS
09/17/09 10:16:36 SAYING AND IT MAKES A LOT OF
09/17/09 10:16:36 SENSE.
09/17/09 10:16:39 BUT AT THE SAME TIME I DO
09/17/09 10:16:42 RECOGNIZE WHAT STEVE
09/17/09 10:16:44 IS SAYING
09/17/09 10:16:46 AS RELATED TO THE AESTHETICS.
09/17/09 10:16:50 AND IF WE THROW IN --NOT
09/17/09 10:16:53 NECESSARILY THE MOST
09/17/09 10:16:54 ATTRACTIVE
09/17/09 10:16:55 GRASS CONSISTENT WITH THEIR
09/17/09 10:16:58 YARD PLAN, THEN MAYBE
09/17/09 10:17:01 WE'RE
09/17/09 10:17:02 BOTHERING THEM TOO.
09/17/09 10:17:03 SO I'D SUGGEST BECAUSE WE
09/17/09 10:17:05 HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO THINK
09/17/09 10:17:06 ABOUT IT.
09/17/09 10:17:07 WHY DON'T WE GIVE IT TWO WEEKS
09/17/09 10:17:10 AND TALK ABOUT IT A LITTLE BIT.
09/17/09 10:17:12 >> IF YOU DIG UP MY FRONT YARD
09/17/09 10:17:14 AND I HAVE ST. AUGUSTINE, I
09/17/09 10:17:17 EXPECT FOR THE SAME THING TO
09/17/09 10:17:17 BE
09/17/09 10:17:19 PUT TOWN.
09/17/09 10:17:20 >> I FEEL THE SAME WAY.
09/17/09 10:17:23 >> I DON'T A DIFFERENT TYPE OF
09/17/09 10:17:25 GRASS FROM MY FRONT YARD
09/17/09 10:17:26 PUTTING SOMETHING ELSE THERE.
09/17/09 10:17:29 I'M NOT GOING TO BE ABLE
09/17/09 10:17:30 TO
09/17/09 10:17:32 RESOD MY WHOLE YARD.
09/17/09 10:17:35 >> MAYBE THERE'S A MORE
09/17/09 10:17:35 DROUGHT
09/17/09 10:17:36 TOLERANT ST. AUGUSTINE.
09/17/09 10:17:38 I KNOW THERE ARE.
09/17/09 10:17:41 THEY'VE BEEN DEVELOPING MORE
09/17/09 10:17:42 DROUGHT TOLERANT ST. AUGUSTINE.
09/17/09 10:17:44 IT JUST SO HAPPENS THAT THE
09/17/09 10:17:47 MOST COMMON AND OLD SCHOOL AND
09/17/09 10:17:49 THE LESS SPECIFY ONE AROUND.
09/17/09 10:17:52 MAYBE THERE'S A COMPROMISE THAT
09/17/09 10:17:55 YOU COULD GIVE ST. AUGUSTINE.
09/17/09 10:17:57 IT MIGHT BE A MORE DROUGHT
09/17/09 10:17:57 TOLERANT ST. AUGUSTINE.
09/17/09 10:18:00 WE HAVE TWO COUNCIL PEOPLE NOT
09/17/09 10:18:01 HERE.
09/17/09 10:18:01 MAYBE WE CAN --
09/17/09 10:18:03 >> WHY DON'T WE CONTINUE FOR
09/17/09 10:18:06 TWO WEEKS AND GET A LITTLE
09/17/09 10:18:07 MORE
09/17/09 10:18:07 INFORMATION.
09/17/09 10:18:08 >> IT'S NOT TIME SENSITIVE.
09/17/09 10:18:11 I'M NOT GOING TO CHANGE MY
09/17/09 10:18:12 MIND.
09/17/09 10:18:13 >> I'M NOT EITHER.
09/17/09 10:18:13 I ALWAYS
09/17/09 10:18:16 >> WHAT I'M SAYING IS
09/17/09 10:18:19 THERE
09/17/09 10:18:21 MIGHT BE A DIFFERENT AUGUSTINE.
09/17/09 10:18:24 >> IF THE
09/17/09 10:18:26 PERSON DOESN'T HAVE
09/17/09 10:18:26 THAT TYPE --
09/17/09 10:18:29 >> IT MIGHT LOOK EXACTLY
09/17/09 10:18:31 THE
09/17/09 10:18:31 SAME.
09/17/09 10:18:32 JUST A DIFFERENT GENETIC
09/17/09 10:18:32 MAKEUP.
09/17/09 10:18:34 >> AS A MOTION TO CONTINUE FOR
09/17/09 10:18:37 TWO WEEKS, IS THERE A SECOND TO
09/17/09 10:18:37 THAT.
09/17/09 10:18:38 >> I SECOND.
09/17/09 10:18:39 >> MOVED AND SECONDED.
09/17/09 10:18:41 ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING
09/17/09 10:18:41 AYE.
09/17/09 10:18:43 >> SINCE YOU BROUGHT IT UP, YOU
09/17/09 10:18:45 HAVE TO DO THE RESEARCH.
09/17/09 10:18:46 >> THAT COMES BACK --
09/17/09 10:18:48 >> YOU BROUGHT IT UP.
09/17/09 10:18:51 >> I WAS GOING TO
09/17/09 10:18:53 VOTE AGAINST
09/17/09 10:18:53 IT.
09/17/09 10:18:55 >> OKAY.
09/17/09 10:18:58 WE'RE BACK TO
09/17/09 10:19:00 ITEM 90.
09/17/09 10:19:01 90.
09/17/09 10:19:03 THIS IS ON THE CAPTION.
09/17/09 10:19:06 >> CABLE TELEVISION MANAGER FOR
09/17/09 10:19:08 OFFICE OF CABLE COMMUNICATIONS.
09/17/09 10:19:11 I WANT TO GIVE YOU A VERY
09/17/09 10:19:11 BRIEF
09/17/09 10:19:13 HISTORY ABOUT CAPTIONING
09/17/09 10:19:13 SERVICES.
09/17/09 10:19:16 AS YOU KNOW, WE PROVIDE
09/17/09 10:19:17 THESE
09/17/09 10:19:19 SERVICES, WE'VE PROVIDED THEM
09/17/09 10:19:22 FOR 15 YEARS TO COMPLY WITH THE
09/17/09 10:19:24 REQUIREMENT FOR THE HEARING
09/17/09 10:19:24 IMPAIRED.
09/17/09 10:19:27 A BYPRODUCT OF THE CAPTIONS
09/17/09 10:19:29 SERVICES IS A NON-VERBATIM
09/17/09 10:19:30 TRANSCRIPT WHICH ISN'T THE
09/17/09 10:19:31 OFFICIAL RECORD OF THESE
09/17/09 10:19:32 PROCEEDINGS.
09/17/09 10:19:34 THE OFFICE OF THE CITY CLERK IS
09/17/09 10:19:35 THE OFFICIAL RECORD KEEPER.
09/17/09 10:19:38 AND AS I STATED IN MY MEMO ON
09/17/09 10:19:41 AUGUST 10th.
09/17/09 10:19:43 CAPTION COLORADO WAS AWARDED
09/17/09 10:19:43 THE CONTRACT.
09/17/09 10:19:45 THEY CAPTIONS THE FIRST MEETING
09/17/09 10:19:46 ON JULY 16th.
09/17/09 10:19:48 I'VE BEEN CONTINUING TO MONITOR
09/17/09 10:19:49 THE CAPTIONS.
09/17/09 10:19:51 THEY ARE A NEW COMPANY TO THE
09/17/09 10:19:53 CITY OF TAMPA.
09/17/09 10:19:55 AND THEY'VE ONLY BEEN CAPTIONS
09/17/09 10:19:58 THESE MEETINGS THROUGH THE LAST
09/17/09 10:20:01 TWO MONTHS.
09/17/09 10:20:02 THEY'RE GOING THROUGH GROWING
09/17/09 10:20:03 PAINS.
09/17/09 10:20:05 I CONTINUALLY UPDATE THEM WITH
09/17/09 10:20:06 NAMES TO INCLUDE IN THEIR
09/17/09 10:20:07 DICTIONARIES.
09/17/09 10:20:10 I ALSO NEED TO POINT OUT THAT
09/17/09 10:20:12 THE CAPTIONER IS NOT HERE ON-
09/17/09 10:20:12 SITE.
09/17/09 10:20:13 THEY CAN ONLY HEAR THE AUDIO.
09/17/09 10:20:16 THERE'S NO VISUAL THEY SEE OF
09/17/09 10:20:17 THE MEETING.
09/17/09 10:20:18 THIS PROCESS OF CAPTIONING OFF
09/17/09 10:20:20 SITE BEGAN A FEW YEARS AGO TO
09/17/09 10:20:22 KEEP THE COSTS DOWN OF THE
09/17/09 10:20:23 CAPTIONINGS SERVICES.
09/17/09 10:20:26 AND I WANT TO
09/17/09 10:20:28 REITERATE TO YOU
09/17/09 10:20:30 THAT I DID HIRE A CERTIFICATED
09/17/09 10:20:32 BROADCAST CAPTIONER TO PROVIDE
09/17/09 10:20:33 ME WITH A REPORT.
09/17/09 10:20:35 ONCE THE RESULTS OF THE REPORT
09/17/09 10:20:38 ARE BACK, I'LL DETERMINE HOW
09/17/09 10:20:41 TO
09/17/09 10:20:41 PROCEED FROM THERE.
09/17/09 10:20:41 >> ANY QUESTION?
09/17/09 10:20:42 >>
09/17/09 10:20:43 >> Councilmember Saul-Sena:
09/17/09 10:20:45 THIS IS A NEW AREA TO ME.
09/17/09 10:20:47 IT SEEMS WITH OUR EMPHASIZE ON
09/17/09 10:20:49 HIRING LOCALLY, THAT A LOCAL
09/17/09 10:20:51 PERSON WOULD JUST FROM THE
09/17/09 10:20:53 EXPERIENCES LIVING IN OUR
09/17/09 10:20:56 COMMUNITY BE MORE FAMILIAR WITH
09/17/09 10:20:58 THE LOCATIONAL NAMES AND SORT
09/17/09 10:21:01 OF THE CAST OF CHARACTERS AND
09/17/09 10:21:03 COME BEFORE CITY COUNCIL.
09/17/09 10:21:05 WHY ARE WE DOING BUSINESS WITH
09/17/09 10:21:07 COLORADO COMPANY RATHER THAN A
09/17/09 10:21:08 LOCAL COMPANY?
09/17/09 10:21:11 WE SENT THE BID OUT AND
09/17/09 10:21:12 WE SENT
09/17/09 10:21:16 THE --TWO BIDS CAME BACK.
09/17/09 10:21:17 CAPTION COLORADO WAS ONE.
09/17/09 10:21:21 THE SECOND WAS A
09/17/09 10:21:22 COMPANY OUT OF
09/17/09 10:21:22 SARASOTA.
09/17/09 10:21:25 EXCUSE ME, THERE WAS A LIST OF
09/17/09 10:21:26 FOUR CRITERIA THAT THE
09/17/09 10:21:28 CAPTIONING COMPANY WENT
09/17/09 10:21:28 THROUGH.
09/17/09 10:21:30 ONE OF THEM WAS COST.
09/17/09 10:21:33 EVERYTHING ELSE SEEMED TO BE
09/17/09 10:21:33 EQUAL.
09/17/09 10:21:35 THEY LOOKED AT COST.
09/17/09 10:21:38 CAPTION COLORADO WAS $20 PER
09/17/09 10:21:40 HOUR CHEAPER WHICH EQUALS $6000
09/17/09 10:21:41 PER YEAR.
09/17/09 10:21:44 I ALSO NEED TO REITERATE
09/17/09 10:21:45 --I
09/17/09 10:21:48 DID ASK THAT QUESTION.
09/17/09 10:21:50 THEY HAVE ABOUT 165 PEOPLE
09/17/09 10:21:53 CAPTIONING AND THEY DID
09/17/09 10:21:54 SAY
09/17/09 10:21:55 THEY DO HAVE FLORIDA
09/17/09 10:21:55 CAPTIONERS.
09/17/09 10:21:58 >> BUT ARE
09/17/09 10:21:59 THEY USING THEM FOR
09/17/09 10:22:00 US?
09/17/09 10:22:03 >> AT ONE POINT WHEN I WAS
09/17/09 10:22:06 ASKING, THEY THOUGHT THAT THEY
09/17/09 10:22:09 WERE USING ONES FOR
09/17/09 10:22:09 US.
09/17/09 10:22:11 I CAN'T SAY THAT FOR SURE.
09/17/09 10:22:13 >> HONESTLY, I'M FOCUSING ON
09/17/09 10:22:14 THE MEETINGS.
09/17/09 10:22:16 IF I LOOK AT THE CAPTIONS, IT'S
09/17/09 10:22:19 A SOURCE OF
09/17/09 10:22:22 GREAT
09/17/09 10:22:22 AMUSEMENT.
09/17/09 10:22:25 THEY DO A LOT OF CREATIVE.
09/17/09 10:22:25 AND IT'S
09/17/09 10:22:28 >> AND I RECOGNIZE THERE'S AN
09/17/09 10:22:29 ISSUE.
09/17/09 10:22:31 AND I CAN'T MAKE THE
09/17/09 10:22:31 DETERMINATION.
09/17/09 10:22:34 THEY HAVE TO BE 98%
09/17/09 10:22:35 ACCURATE.
09/17/09 10:22:38 BUT I'M NOT CERTIFICATED TO
09/17/09 10:22:38 DETERMINE THAT.
09/17/09 10:22:41 THERE'S A WHOLE FORMULA
09/17/09 10:22:43 TO LOOK
09/17/09 10:22:43 AT.
09/17/09 10:22:44 I'VE HIRED SOMEBODY WHO IS
09/17/09 10:22:46 CERTIFICATED TO TEST THEM.
09/17/09 10:22:48 LET ME SEE WHAT THE ACCURACY
09/17/09 10:22:48 RATE IS.
09/17/09 10:22:51 I CAN SEND A REPORT BACK TO
09/17/09 10:22:53 YOU
09/17/09 10:22:54 IF YOU'D LIKE.
09/17/09 10:22:57 IT JUST CAME UP TWICE CERTIFY
09/17/09 10:22:57 INDICATED.
09/17/09 10:23:00 MAYBE WE
09/17/09 10:23:03 COULD ASK
09/17/09 10:23:05 QUESTIONS
09/17/09 10:23:06 LIKE WHERE ARE YOU?
09/17/09 10:23:08 >> THAT'S REALLY --A GOOD
09/17/09 10:23:09 ILLUSTRATION OF THE PROBLEM.
09/17/09 10:23:12 I HOPE THE PERSON YOU HIRED
09/17/09 10:23:13 IS
09/17/09 10:23:13 LOCAL.
09/17/09 10:23:14 >> THE PERSON IS LOCAL.
09/17/09 10:23:16 >> I THINK IT'S A PROBLEM FOR
09/17/09 10:23:19 US AND IT MAY BE A PROBLEM
09/17/09 10:23:22 BEYOND THIS HOW THE TRANSCRIPTS
09/17/09 10:23:25 COME OUT.
09/17/09 10:23:28 WE HAD ACTUALLY --
09/17/09 10:23:28 OUR LEGAL
09/17/09 10:23:29 DEPARTMENT DRAFTING A
09/17/09 10:23:32 RESOLUTION OR AN ORDINANCE THIS
09/17/09 10:23:33 WEEK BASED ON THE TRANSCRIPT
09/17/09 10:23:37 WHICH WASN'T ACCURATE.
09/17/09 10:23:39 SO IT'S NOT CAPTURING OUR --
09/17/09 10:23:42 THE POLICY THAT WE'RE
09/17/09 10:23:42 PASSING.
09/17/09 10:23:45 AND TO ME, YOU'RE HIRING A
09/17/09 10:23:46 CONSULTANT TO LOOK AT THIS AND
09/17/09 10:23:49 IT'S A LOGICAL THING THAT THE
09/17/09 10:23:50 PERSON SHOULD BE FROM HERE.
09/17/09 10:23:53 I DON'T KNOW WHY
09/17/09 10:23:55 THAT COLORADO
09/17/09 10:23:55 CAPTIONING --
09/17/09 10:23:57 >> CAPTION COLORADO.
09/17/09 10:23:59 MAYBE THEY COULDN'T RECRUIT
09/17/09 10:24:00 SOMEONE FROM TAMPA TO DO THIS.
09/17/09 10:24:02 THAT WOULD BE A SIMPLE SOLUTION
09/17/09 10:24:02 TO THIS.
09/17/09 10:24:04 AND THE OTHER POINT IS THE COST
09/17/09 10:24:06 FOR US --I WOULD THINK THERE
09/17/09 10:24:09 WOULD BE SOME LEGAL COST IF WE
09/17/09 10:24:10 DON'T HAVE AN ACCURATE
09/17/09 10:24:11 TRANSCRIPT.
09/17/09 10:24:13 AND I DON'T KNOW.
09/17/09 10:24:14 THIS IS A QUESTION FOR CHIP.
09/17/09 10:24:17 I GUESS EVERY TIME WE HAVE
09/17/09 10:24:19 A
09/17/09 10:24:22 LEGAL PROCEEDING, ARE WE USING
09/17/09 10:24:25 THE VIDEO RECORD I
09/17/09 10:24:25 HOPE?
09/17/09 10:24:27 >> THERE'S TWO PARTS TO THAT.
09/17/09 10:24:30 >> WE JUST HEARD ABOUT THAT.
09/17/09 10:24:32 CHIP FLETCHER, CITY ATTORNEY.
09/17/09 10:24:35 FOR PURPOSES OF HOPE MEETING
09/17/09 10:24:38 REQUIREMENTS, ALL THOSE TYPES
09/17/09 10:24:40 OF STATUARY.
09/17/09 10:24:42 THE RECORDING IS SUFFICIENT.
09/17/09 10:24:45 IF SOMEONE THAT HAS RIGHTS
09/17/09 10:24:47 BEING DETERMINED BEFORE COUNCIL
09/17/09 10:24:49 ON APPEAL OR OTHER PROCEEDING,
09/17/09 10:24:52 THEY HAVE AN OPTION TO
09/17/09 10:24:55 BRING
09/17/09 10:24:56 IN
09/17/09 10:24:58 A COURT REPORTER.
09/17/09 10:25:01 AND THAT'S THE TYPE OF
09/17/09 10:25:04 TRANSCRIPT THAT
09/17/09 10:25:06 WOULD BE
09/17/09 10:25:06 REQUIRED.
09/17/09 10:25:07 AND THAT'S COMMON PRACTICE.
09/17/09 10:25:09 THAT'S THE WAY IT'S MANAGED.
09/17/09 10:25:11 AND THE PETITIONERS ARE THE
09/17/09 10:25:14 ONES THAT BEAR THE COST.
09/17/09 10:25:17 >> WE ALSO HAVE
09/17/09 10:25:18 APPEAL HEARINGS
09/17/09 10:25:20 WHERE WE'RE PRESENTED WITH THE
09/17/09 10:25:20 TRANSCRIPT.
09/17/09 10:25:23 WE'VE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO
09/17/09 10:25:24 REVIEW THE VIDEO RECORDINGS.
09/17/09 10:25:27 WE'RE SITTING HERE MAKING A
09/17/09 10:25:28 DECISION.
09/17/09 10:25:29 WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT
09/17/09 10:25:29 TRANSCRIPT.
09/17/09 10:25:32 AND THEY ARE --THE ATTORNEYS
09/17/09 10:25:33 ARE REFERRING TO IT.
09/17/09 10:25:36 SO I THINK THIS IS $6000 IS NOT
09/17/09 10:25:38 A BIG ENOUGH SAVINGS TO ME AND
09/17/09 10:25:41 WE JUST HAVE TO GET SOMEBODY
09/17/09 10:25:41 REALLY GOOD.
09/17/09 10:25:42 AND LIKE I SAID.
09/17/09 10:25:44 MAYBE THEY CAN SOLVE IT WITH
09/17/09 10:25:47 RECRUITING
09/17/09 10:25:49 SOMEBODY FROM TAMPA
09/17/09 10:25:50 TO DO IT.
09/17/09 10:25:51 >>> THANK YOU.
09/17/09 10:25:54 I'M LOOKING AT THIS AND
09/17/09 10:25:55 I SAY.
09/17/09 10:25:57 COLORADO IS ONE OF THE 50
09/17/09 10:25:59 STATES IN THE COUNTRY.
09/17/09 10:26:01 IT'S STILL MADE IN AMERICA.
09/17/09 10:26:03 TELL ME WHAT CLOTHING YOU HAVE
09/17/09 10:26:05 ON TODAY THAT'S MADE IN
09/17/09 10:26:05 AMERICA.
09/17/09 10:26:07 ARE WE GOING TO TURN IN ALL THE
09/17/09 10:26:09 AUTOMOBILES BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT
09/17/09 10:26:10 MADE IN FLORIDA OR TAMPA?
09/17/09 10:26:11 OF COURSE NOT.
09/17/09 10:26:14 AS LONG AS THE CITY ABIDED BY
09/17/09 10:26:16 THE RULES AND REGULATIONS AND
09/17/09 10:26:18 GOT THE LOWEST BID AND MORE
09/17/09 10:26:20 IMPORTANTLY IF THE PRODUCT, THE
09/17/09 10:26:21 END PRODUCT MEETS THE
09/17/09 10:26:24 SPECIFICATIONS, I HAVE
09/17/09 10:26:26 NO
09/17/09 10:26:29 PROBLEM
09/17/09 10:26:30 WITH THAT.
09/17/09 10:26:30 THANK YOU.
09/17/09 10:26:33 >>> I'M MARTIN SHELBY.
09/17/09 10:26:36 JUST TO FOLLOW-UP WITH THE MR.
09/17/09 10:26:38 FLETCHER'S RESPONSE.
09/17/09 10:26:40 THE AGENDA TELLS PEOPLE THAT
09/17/09 10:26:41 ANYBODY PERSON WHO DECIDE TO
09/17/09 10:26:43 APPEAL WILL NEED A RECORD TO
09/17/09 10:26:46 HAVE PROCEEDINGS AND FOR SUCH
09/17/09 10:26:49 PURPOSE NAY NEED TO HIRE A
09/17/09 10:26:52 COURT REPORTER TO ENSURE THAT A
09/17/09 10:26:54 VERBATIM RECORD IS MADE.
09/17/09 10:26:55 AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT
09/17/09 10:26:56 ESPECIALLY WITH THIS PROBLEM
09/17/09 10:26:58 BEING THE WAY IT IS.
09/17/09 10:27:00 THE PUBLIC DO UNDERSTAND THAT
09/17/09 10:27:01 WHEN THEY GO ONLINE AND GO ON
09/17/09 10:27:04 THE WEBSITE AND READ THE
09/17/09 10:27:05 CLOSED
09/17/09 10:27:06 CAPTIONING, THAT'S FOR ADA
09/17/09 10:27:09 PURPOSES, TO THE BEST OF
09/17/09 10:27:09 THEIR
09/17/09 10:27:10 ABILITY.
09/17/09 10:27:13 IT'S NOT FOR
09/17/09 10:27:16 LEGAL PURPOSES.
09/17/09 10:27:19 THAT'S THE
09/17/09 10:27:20 TRANSCRIPTION THAT
09/17/09 10:27:22 NEEDS TO BE PROVIDED.
09/17/09 10:27:25 FOR THE PRESENT TIME, THAT'S
09/17/09 10:27:26 QUESTIONABLE AND SUSPECT AND
09/17/09 10:27:27 NOT THE ACTUAL LEGAL
09/17/09 10:27:28 TRANSCRIPTION OF THE
09/17/09 10:27:30 PROCEEDINGS AND AS LONG AS THE
09/17/09 10:27:33 PUBLIC IS AWARE OF
09/17/09 10:27:35 THAT AND
09/17/09 10:27:36 JUDGE THEIR ACTIONS ACCORDINGLY
09/17/09 10:27:39 >>> WE WERE
09/17/09 10:27:42 SPECIFIC IN
09/17/09 10:27:44 THE
09/17/09 10:27:44 LANGUAGE.
09/17/09 10:27:45 A NON-VERBATIM TRANSCRIPT IS
09/17/09 10:27:46 WHAT IT SAID.
09/17/09 10:27:47 >> Councilmember Saul-Sena: I
09/17/09 10:27:49 WOULD BE INTERESTED IN THE
09/17/09 10:27:50 RESULTS OF THE SEGMENT THAT
09/17/09 10:27:51 YOU'RE HAVING DONE.
09/17/09 10:27:53 IF YOU COULD PROVIDE THAT.
09/17/09 10:27:56 WOULD 30 DAYS WORK.
09/17/09 10:27:59 >> THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
09/17/09 10:28:02 >> Councilmember Saul-Sena: SO
09/17/09 10:28:04 IN 30 DAYS, A WRITTEN REPORT
09/17/09 10:28:06 FROM CABLE ON HOW WELL THEY'RE
09/17/09 10:28:06 DOING.
09/17/09 10:28:09 AND HOPEFULLY, THE PERSON WHO
09/17/09 10:28:12 IS LISTENING WILL FEEL INSPIRED
09/17/09 10:28:14 AND CHALLENGED AND IMPROVE
09/17/09 10:28:14 THEIR ACCURACY.
09/17/09 10:28:17 >> I WOULD
09/17/09 10:28:20 ASSUME YOU'RE NOT
09/17/09 10:28:21 USING THE SAME PERSON EACH
09/17/09 10:28:21 WEEK.
09/17/09 10:28:23 >> THERE MAY BE SOMEONE
09/17/09 10:28:26 DIFFERENT EACH THURSDAY WHEN WE
09/17/09 10:28:26 MEET.
09/17/09 10:28:27 >> WE WANT THE "A" TEAM.
09/17/09 10:28:29 >> IS THERE A SECOND.
09/17/09 10:28:33 >>
09/17/09 10:28:36 MOVED
09/17/09 10:28:38 AND SECONDED.
09/17/09 10:28:41 ALL IN FAVOR.
09/17/09 10:28:42 >> I REQUESTED INFORMATION ON
09/17/09 10:28:46 THE BUDGET ITEM
09/17/09 10:28:47 RELATIVE TO THE
09/17/09 10:28:48 CABLE.
09/17/09 10:28:50 THE SPORTS AUTHORITY.
09/17/09 10:28:51 YOU ALL ARE FILMING OR TAPING.
09/17/09 10:28:54 HAVE YOU HAD AN
09/17/09 10:28:56 OPPORTUNITY TO
09/17/09 10:28:57 REVIEW THAT FOR RESPONSE?
09/17/09 10:28:59 >> I DID TALK TO YOUR
09/17/09 10:29:01 LEGISLATIVE AID ABOUT THAT.
09/17/09 10:29:04 SHE DID
09/17/09 10:29:06 CALL ME.
09/17/09 10:29:09 AND WHAT I TOLD HER IS THE
09/17/09 10:29:11 CABLE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR
09/17/09 10:29:13 PROGRAMMING THE CITY OF TAMPA
09/17/09 10:29:14 TELEVISION CHANNEL.
09/17/09 10:29:17 AND WHEN WE ARE REQUESTED
09/17/09 10:29:17 TO DO
09/17/09 10:29:20 PROGRAMS WHETHER --WHEN WE ARE
09/17/09 10:29:21 REQUESTED TO DO PROGRAMS, IT'S
09/17/09 10:29:24 PART TO HAVE NORMAL WORKLOAD.
09/17/09 10:29:26 AND THAT'S NO DIFFERENT WITH
09/17/09 10:29:27 THE TAMPA SPORTS AUTHORITY.
09/17/09 10:29:29 THOSE MEETINGS ARE DONE DURING
09/17/09 10:29:32 THE DAY AND SOME CARRY INTO
09/17/09 10:29:33 THE
09/17/09 10:29:33 EVENING.
09/17/09 10:29:35 THE ONLY COST --AND WE MAY
09/17/09 10:29:37 NEED TO FLEX HOURS IF IT GOES
09/17/09 10:29:39 PAST THE 5:00 HOUR.
09/17/09 10:29:41 IT'S PART OF THE NORMAL WORK
09/17/09 10:29:41 PRODUCT.
09/17/09 10:29:44 AND THAT'S WHAT I LET HER KNOW.
09/17/09 10:29:46 >> THAT IS SOMETHING JUST
09/17/09 10:29:47 RECENTLY STARTED.
09/17/09 10:29:48 >> I THINK IT'S BEEN SIX
09/17/09 10:29:49 MONTHS.
09/17/09 10:29:51 >> I DON'T THINK IT'S BEEN THAT
09/17/09 10:29:52 LONG.
09/17/09 10:29:54 >> THERE WERE ISSUES AND I WAS
09/17/09 10:29:56 JUST TRYING TO FIND OUT HOW
09/17/09 10:29:57 MUCH MONEY.
09/17/09 10:29:58 >> I DON'T HAVE A LINE ITEM FOR
09/17/09 10:29:59 THAT.
09/17/09 10:30:02 >> SO WE
09/17/09 10:30:03 DON'T KNOW WHAT THE
09/17/09 10:30:04 COST IS.
09/17/09 10:30:06 >> I DON'T HAVE SPECIFIC COSTS
09/17/09 10:30:09 FOR WHAT ANY OF THE PROGRAMS
09/17/09 10:30:09 DO.
09/17/09 10:30:11 WE DON'T LINE ITEM THINGS OUT.
09/17/09 10:30:12 FOR EXAMPLE, I DON'T HAVE A
09/17/09 10:30:14 LINE ITEM COST FOR WHAT IT
09/17/09 10:30:17 COSTS TO DO A COUNCIL
09/17/09 10:30:18 MEETING
09/17/09 10:30:19 OR THE SHOW.
09/17/09 10:30:21 >> LET ME ASK THIS QUESTION.
09/17/09 10:30:24 ON MONDAY THERE WERE THREE
09/17/09 10:30:25 CAMERAS AND THREE PERSONS THERE
09/17/09 10:30:27 FOR AT LEAST TWO HOURS.
09/17/09 10:30:30 WE DON'T HAVE A COST PER HOUR
09/17/09 10:30:33 FOR THOSE PERSONS TO
09/17/09 10:30:33 BE THERE?
09/17/09 10:30:34 TIME FOR [ OVERLAPPING SPEAKERS
09/17/09 10:30:34 ]
09/17/09 10:30:36 >> TIME TO SET UP.
09/17/09 10:30:37 TIME TO RECORD.
09/17/09 10:30:38 TIME TO BREAK DOWN.
09/17/09 10:30:40 AND TIME TO COME BACK ALL THE
09/17/09 10:30:41 WAY OVER HERE.
09/17/09 10:30:43 THIS IS SOMETHING THAT STARTED
09/17/09 10:30:44 ABOUT FOUR MONTHS AGO.
09/17/09 10:30:47 SO THERE'S GOT TO
09/17/09 10:30:49 BE A COST
09/17/09 10:30:51 ASSOCIATED WITH IT.
09/17/09 10:30:52 I HEARD ABOUT $6000.
09/17/09 10:30:55 IN TODAY'S ECONOMY, $6000 IS A
09/17/09 10:30:56 LOT OF MONEY.
09/17/09 10:31:00 SO MY
09/17/09 10:31:03 ISSUE WAS
09/17/09 10:31:04 THAT WE WAS
09/17/09 10:31:07 DEBATING ABOUT THE ARTS AVENUE.
09/17/09 10:31:09 HOW MUCH IS THIS COSTING US?
09/17/09 10:31:10 IS THIS AN OPPORTUNITY TO SHIFT
09/17/09 10:31:11 FUNDS.
09/17/09 10:31:12 I DON'T KNOW.
09/17/09 10:31:13 WHERE WE ARE IN THE BUDGET, WE
09/17/09 10:31:15 HAVE TO LOOK AT EVERYTHING.
09/17/09 10:31:16 I THINK WE HAVE TO STREAMLINE
09/17/09 10:31:20 AND SEE IF THERE'S A WAY TO
09/17/09 10:31:22 SAVE DOLLARS OR TO BECOME MORE
09/17/09 10:31:22 EFFICIENT.
09/17/09 10:31:24 IF YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO
09/17/09 10:31:27 DO THAT, I THINK
09/17/09 10:31:28 I DID A MEMO.
09/17/09 10:31:30 >> THANK YOU.
09/17/09 10:31:32 >> THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS
09/17/09 10:31:34 UP AND I HAD THOUGHT ABOUT THAT
09/17/09 10:31:36 EARLIER IN THE YEAR WHEN I WAS
09/17/09 10:31:38 TALKING ABOUT THE BUDGET.
09/17/09 10:31:41 I WOULD LIKE TO SEE --
09/17/09 10:31:43 I THINK
09/17/09 10:31:45 THAT WE SHOULD HAVE AN ITEMIZED
09/17/09 10:31:47 CABLE BUDGET, CITY OF TAMPA
09/17/09 10:31:48 CABLE BUDGET.
09/17/09 10:31:49 AND I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT IF
09/17/09 10:31:52 THERE'S ANY WAY WE CAN GET
09/17/09 10:31:53 THAT.
09/17/09 10:31:54 >> WHAT WAS IT?
09/17/09 10:31:57 >> WE SHOULD
09/17/09 10:31:59 HAVE AN ITEMIZED
09/17/09 10:32:02 --THE CITY
09/17/09 10:32:04 CABLE DEPARTMENT
09/17/09 10:32:06 SHOULD HAVE AN ITEMIZED BUDGET.
09/17/09 10:32:09 >>
09/17/09 10:32:12 I HAVEN'T LOOKED AT THAT
09/17/09 10:32:12 SPECIFICALLY.
09/17/09 10:32:15 I'D LIKE FOR THAT IF WE'RE NOT
09/17/09 10:32:18 DOING THAT NOW --I CAN'T
09/17/09 10:32:18 IMAGINE.
09/17/09 10:32:22 I'M SURPRISED IF ANY DEPARTMENT
09/17/09 10:32:25 DOESN'T HAVE
09/17/09 10:32:27 TO ITEMIZE THEIR
09/17/09 10:32:27 COSTS.
09/17/09 10:32:30 >> AT
09/17/09 10:32:33 OUR
09/17/09 10:32:37 MEETING LAST WEEK,
09/17/09 10:32:38 MR. HUEY SHARED.
09/17/09 10:32:41 I DON'T THINK ANY OF THE CRA
09/17/09 10:32:42 BOARD MEMBERS HAVE BEEN
09/17/09 10:32:44 INVOLVED IN ANY CAPACITY OR
09/17/09 10:32:47 MADE AWARE OF IT OR ASKED FOR
09/17/09 10:32:48 INPUT.
09/17/09 10:32:51 SINCE WE ARE THE CRA
09/17/09 10:32:51 BOARD, WE
09/17/09 10:32:54 SHOULD BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE
09/17/09 10:32:55 IN SOME FASHION.
09/17/09 10:32:57 AND I WOULD LIKE FOR PERHAPS
09/17/09 10:33:00 YOU TO COME TO OUR NEXT CRA
09/17/09 10:33:02 MEETING AND DISCUSS HOW THAT
09/17/09 10:33:03 WOULD OCCUR.
09/17/09 10:33:05 >> I DID HEAR YOU MENTION THAT
09/17/09 10:33:06 THE LAST MEETING.
09/17/09 10:33:09 AND THE WAY OUR PROGRAMMING
09/17/09 10:33:10 WORKS, WHEN IT'S NOT MEETING
09/17/09 10:33:14 COVERAGE, BUT WHEN
09/17/09 10:33:15 IT'S
09/17/09 10:33:17 SPECIFIC TO VARIOUS
09/17/09 10:33:20 DEPARTMENTS, ON DUTY WITH CHIEF
09/17/09 10:33:22 HOGE, HE'S THE PRODUCER.
09/17/09 10:33:25 HE'S THE ONE THAT DECIDES THE
09/17/09 10:33:27 SCRIPT AND THE FORMAT AND
09/17/09 10:33:28 EVERYTHING.
09/17/09 10:33:29 SO MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE
09/17/09 10:33:31 MARK HUEY IS THE PRODUCER OF
09/17/09 10:33:32 THAT SHOW.
09/17/09 10:33:35 HE'S THE PERSON YOU SHOULD BE
09/17/09 10:33:36 HAVING THE DIALOGUE WITH.
09/17/09 10:33:38 HE'S THE ONE THAT DECIDED THE
09/17/09 10:33:39 FORMAT OF THE SHOW.
09/17/09 10:33:42 WE'RE THE ONES THAT GO OUT AND
09/17/09 10:33:44 SHOOT.
09/17/09 10:33:44 >> THAT RAISES ANOTHER
09/17/09 10:33:45 QUESTION.
09/17/09 10:33:48 I FIND IT INTERESTS THAT --I
09/17/09 10:33:50 THINK THE MAYOR HAS AN HOUR.
09/17/09 10:33:53 AND YOU ALL DON'T HAVE A
09/17/09 10:33:53 HOUR.
09/17/09 10:33:55 YOU DON'T HAVE A SHOW?
09/17/09 10:33:56 I FIND THAT INTERESTING.
09/17/09 10:33:59 I WILL TELL YOU AT
09/17/09 10:34:01 THE COUNTY
09/17/09 10:34:01 COMMISSION.
09/17/09 10:34:02 THERE ARE SHOWS HIGHLIGHTING
09/17/09 10:34:05 WHAT THEY WERE DOING IN THE
09/17/09 10:34:05 DISTRICT.
09/17/09 10:34:06 NOT EVERYBODY WEEK.
09/17/09 10:34:09 BUT THERE WAS ALWAYS SOMETHING
09/17/09 10:34:09 ONGOING.
09/17/09 10:34:13 I THINK WHAT YOU'RE
09/17/09 10:34:16 ASKING IS A
09/17/09 10:34:17 REASONABLE REQUEST.
09/17/09 10:34:20 THE
09/17/09 10:34:23 CRA ACTUAL
09/17/09 10:34:26 HAS LEGAL
09/17/09 10:34:29 AUTHORITY BASED ON FLORIDA
09/17/09 10:34:30 STATUTE.
09/17/09 10:34:31 FOR YOU NOT TO HIGHLIGHT SOME
09/17/09 10:34:34 OF THE THINGS IN THE COMMUNITY
09/17/09 10:34:37 IS A DISSERVICE.
09/17/09 10:34:39 >> I'M LEARNING A LOT.
09/17/09 10:34:40 NO, IT'S OKAY.
09/17/09 10:34:40 IT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE THAT
09/17/09 10:34:43 WAS WHY I WANTED TO SEE THE
09/17/09 10:34:47 CABLE BUDGET BECAUSE IT IS HARD
09/17/09 10:34:50 TO SEE HOW MUCH WE'RE
09/17/09 10:34:50 SPENDING
09/17/09 10:34:52 CONSIDERING EACH DEPARTMENT IS
09/17/09 10:34:55 PRODUCING THEIR OWN
09/17/09 10:34:56 SHOW.
09/17/09 10:34:57 I KNOW CHIEF HOGE IS GREAT.
09/17/09 10:35:00 I DIDN'T KNOW HE WAS A TV
09/17/09 10:35:01 PRODUCER TOO.
09/17/09 10:35:03 WE NEED TO SEE WHAT WE'RE
09/17/09 10:35:04 SPENDING ON CABLE.
09/17/09 10:35:06 AND THAT INCLUDES PRODUCTION
09/17/09 10:35:09 AND THE HOURS AND THE PEOPLE
09/17/09 10:35:12 LIKE IS IT IN YOUR BUDGET
09/17/09 10:35:14 WHEN
09/17/09 10:35:16 WE HIRE EMCEES AND PRESENTERS?
09/17/09 10:35:19 I KNOW
09/17/09 10:35:22 THAT LIKE WITH THE CRA
09/17/09 10:35:23 SHOWS --
09/17/09 10:35:26 >>
09/17/09 10:35:27 THAT'S FREE.
09/17/09 10:35:29 SHE GIVES US HER SERVICES.
09/17/09 10:35:30 >> MAYBE WE CAN GET SOMEBODY
09/17/09 10:35:33 GOOD TO DO OURS
09/17/09 10:35:36 WHEN WE DO OUR
09/17/09 10:35:37 CITY COUNCIL.
09/17/09 10:35:38 >>
09/17/09 10:35:38 >> Councilmember Dingfelder:
09/17/09 10:35:39 THA NK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
09/17/09 10:35:42 I FORGET YOUR NAME AND
09/17/09 10:35:44 I
09/17/09 10:35:45 APOLOGIZE.
09/17/09 10:35:46 THE GENTLEMAN WHO IS BABY
09/17/09 10:35:47 CAPTIONING SINCE 1993.
09/17/09 10:35:48 HE MISSED THE THREE MINUTES IN
09/17/09 10:35:51 THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING TO
09/17/09 10:35:52 SPEAK TO THIS ITEM.
09/17/09 10:35:55 AND HE GAVE US A HANDOUT AND
09/17/09 10:35:56 INDICATED A REQUEST THAT HE'D
09/17/09 10:35:59 LIKE TO COMMENT TO US FOR THREE
09/17/09 10:35:59 MINUTES.
09/17/09 10:36:02 SO I'D ASK US TO
09/17/09 10:36:04 WAIVE THE
09/17/09 10:36:04 RULES.
09/17/09 10:36:07 >> LET'S GET THE STAFF REPORTS
09/17/09 10:36:08 FIRST.
09/17/09 10:36:10 AND I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO GET
09/17/09 10:36:11 TO THAT.
09/17/09 10:36:14 WHY DON'T WE TAKE IT UP AT
09/17/09 10:36:15 THE
09/17/09 10:36:16 END OF THE MORNING.
09/17/09 10:36:19 >> I'VE HAD A CONVERSATION
09/17/09 10:36:20 OVER
09/17/09 10:36:22 THE YEARS WITH MS. SNYDER ABOUT
09/17/09 10:36:23 COUNCIL HAVING OPPORTUNITIES.
09/17/09 10:36:26 NOT FOR US
09/17/09 10:36:31 TO TALK ABOUT
09/17/09 10:36:33 PROJECTS WE'RE ENGAGED IN.
09/17/09 10:36:34 SHE FEELS THAT HER DIRECTION
09/17/09 10:36:36 COMES DIRECTLY FROM THE MAYOR
09/17/09 10:36:38 AND COUNCIL DOES NOT HAVE A
09/17/09 10:36:39 ROLE IN THIS.
09/17/09 10:36:41 IN OUR ROLE AS THE CRA BOARD,
09/17/09 10:36:43 WE DO HAVE A ROLE.
09/17/09 10:36:46 AND I'D LIKE TO PUT IT ON THE
09/17/09 10:36:47 NEXT CRA AGENDA MEETING.
09/17/09 10:36:50 AND HAVE A DISCUSSION.
09/17/09 10:36:52 AND I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT THAT
09/17/09 10:36:54 MR. HUEY HAS BEEN DESIGNATED
09/17/09 10:36:55 THE PRODUCER.
09/17/09 10:36:57 SO OUR CONVERSATION SHOULD BE
09/17/09 10:36:57 WITH HIM.
09/17/09 10:37:00 I'D LIKE TO SEE
09/17/09 10:37:03 THIS ON THE
09/17/09 10:37:04 NEXT CRA AGENDA.
09/17/09 10:37:06 >> LAST I CHECKED.
09/17/09 10:37:09 I THINK THE CITY AND THE
09/17/09 10:37:10 CITY
09/17/09 10:37:11 STAFF INCLUDING MR. HUEY WORKS
09/17/09 10:37:14 UNDER CONTRACT WITH
09/17/09 10:37:15 US AS THE
09/17/09 10:37:15 CRA.
09/17/09 10:37:16 >> RIGHT.
09/17/09 10:37:19 >> SO I JUST WANT TO REMIND US.
09/17/09 10:37:21 >> I'M SPEAKING FOR ME.
09/17/09 10:37:24 I NEVER GOT ELECTED TO
09/17/09 10:37:25 GO ON
09/17/09 10:37:26 CITY TV.
09/17/09 10:37:27 >> YOU'RE HERE.
09/17/09 10:37:28 >> NO JOKE.
09/17/09 10:37:30 I THOUGHT I WAS INVISIBLE.
09/17/09 10:37:31 BUT LET ME SAY THIS.
09/17/09 10:37:34 I'M NOT GOING TO GO ON CITY TV
09/17/09 10:37:37 JUST TO SAY I GOT ELECTED AND
09/17/09 10:37:38 PLEASE REELECT ME.
09/17/09 10:37:40 IT DOESN'T MATTER TO ME ABOUT
09/17/09 10:37:43 ELECTIONS OR ANYTHING LIKE
09/17/09 10:37:44 THAT.
09/17/09 10:37:45 AND WE'RE GETTING INVOLVED ON
09/17/09 10:37:47 THE SURFACE OF SOME
09/17/09 10:37:48 POSSIBILITIES OF DOING A SHOW
09/17/09 10:37:51 ON DISTRICT 6, ONE ON DISTRICT
09/17/09 10:37:52 5. AND THAT COUNCIL PERSON.
09/17/09 10:37:54 MAYBE I'M WRONG.
09/17/09 10:37:57 COMING IN AND STAYING THAT THE
09/17/09 10:37:58 GOOD THINGS.
09/17/09 10:38:00 I'LL LEAVE THAT TO THE
09/17/09 10:38:02 REPORTERS AND THE TELEVISION
09/17/09 10:38:02 STATIONS.
09/17/09 10:38:03 I'LL LEAVE THAT.
09/17/09 10:38:06 I WANT AS FAR AWAY FROM CITY
09/17/09 10:38:07 TV
09/17/09 10:38:07 AS POSSIBLE.
09/17/09 10:38:09 THAT'S AT ADMINISTRATIVE
09/17/09 10:38:09 FUNCTION.
09/17/09 10:38:11 I SEE YOUR SHOWS AND I SEE MR.
09/17/09 10:38:14 SCOTT ON OCCASION AT THE SPORTS
09/17/09 10:38:14 AUTHORITY MEETINGS.
09/17/09 10:38:18 THEY HAVE A LONG TABLE,
09/17/09 10:38:19 REAL
09/17/09 10:38:19 LONG.
09/17/09 10:38:21 AND THIS IS THE ONLY GOVERNMENT
09/17/09 10:38:23 THAT WEARS A LOT OF SHORT
09/17/09 10:38:25 SLEEVES LIKE THEY SHOULD.
09/17/09 10:38:25 TALKING ABOUT SPORTS.
09/17/09 10:38:27 AND I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT LEFT
09/17/09 10:38:30 UP TO THE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO
09/17/09 10:38:30 DO
09/17/09 10:38:31 IT.
09/17/09 10:38:33 I DON'T THINK LIKE TO INTERJECT
09/17/09 10:38:35 MYSELF ON THE ADMINISTRATION,
09/17/09 10:38:37 WHOEVER THE ADMINISTRATION MAY
09/17/09 10:38:38 BE.
09/17/09 10:38:39 THAT'S THE ADMINISTRATION
09/17/09 10:38:39 PREROGATIVE.
09/17/09 10:38:41 IF THEY WANT TO DO A SHOW, THEY
09/17/09 10:38:42 DO IT.
09/17/09 10:38:45 I WATCH THE MAYOR'S HOUR AND
09/17/09 10:38:46 THEY DO A FANTASTIC JOB.
09/17/09 10:38:48 NOW, IN THE PAST AND I'M SURE
09/17/09 10:38:51 IN THE FUTURE, WHOEVER THE NEXT
09/17/09 10:38:53 MAYOR IS, JACK HARRIS WILL
09/17/09 10:38:55 STILL DO THE SHOW.
09/17/09 10:38:57 WHAT I'M SAYING IS I WANT AS
09/17/09 10:38:59 FAR AS YOU CAN BE.
09/17/09 10:39:01 IF YOU'RE DOING IT, DON'T COME
09/17/09 10:39:02 TO DISTRICT 6. I'M NOT GOING TO
09/17/09 10:39:05 BE A PART OF
09/17/09 10:39:07 IT.
09/17/09 10:39:07 THANK YOU.
09/17/09 10:39:09 >> ANY OTHER COMMENTS?
09/17/09 10:39:12 >> THERE'S A MOTION
09/17/09 10:39:13 --RESTATE
09/17/09 10:39:14 YOUR MOTION.
09/17/09 10:39:14 >> YES --
09/17/09 10:39:17 >> YOU CAN'T DO THAT.
09/17/09 10:39:17 THAT'S RIGHT.
09/17/09 10:39:18 >> WE'RE NOT IN CRA.
09/17/09 10:39:21 >> IS THERE SOMETHING ON THE
09/17/09 10:39:22 AGENDA?
09/17/09 10:39:22 >> NO.
09/17/09 10:39:26 BUT EVERYBODY IS
09/17/09 10:39:27 HERE.
09/17/09 10:39:30 >> I DON'T BELIEVE YOU CAN.
09/17/09 10:39:32 >> I'LL WRITE A MEMO SUGGESTING
09/17/09 10:39:34 IT BE PLACED ON THE AGENDA.
09/17/09 10:39:35 >> OKAY.
09/17/09 10:39:38 THANK YOU
09/17/09 10:39:40 VERY MUCH.
09/17/09 10:39:41 >> THANK YOU.
09/17/09 10:39:41 APPRECIATE IT.
09/17/09 10:39:44 >>
09/17/09 10:39:47 [ INDISCERNIBLE ]
09/17/09 10:39:52 >> GOOD MORNING,
09/17/09 10:39:53 COUNCILMEMBERS.
09/17/09 10:39:53 BONNIE WISE.
09/17/09 10:39:56 WITH ME I HAVE RALPH
09/17/09 10:39:57 MET CALF.
09/17/09 10:39:59 >>S THE ITEM 91.
09/17/09 10:39:59 WASTEWATER.
09/17/09 10:40:00 >> WE HAVE A POWER POINT
09/17/09 10:40:02 PRESENTATION THAT WE'RE GOING
09/17/09 10:40:04 THROUGH WITH YOU TODAY.
09/17/09 10:40:04 VERY BRIEF.
09/17/09 10:40:07 AND IT'S BRIEF BECAUSE WE DID
09/17/09 10:40:10 AS YOU RECALL ON JUNE 18th HAVE
09/17/09 10:40:11 AN EXTENSIVE WORKSHOP WITH A
09/17/09 10:40:15 FULL DISCUSSION OF THE WASTE
09/17/09 10:40:17 WATER SYSTEM, THE EXISTING
09/17/09 10:40:19 CAPACITY WITH RATES AND BONDING
09/17/09 10:40:20 REQUIREMENTS.
09/17/09 10:40:22 I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO
09/17/09 10:40:24 RALPH TO GET STARTED ON THE
09/17/09 10:40:25 POWER POINT.
09/17/09 10:40:27 >> GOOD MORNING, RALPH MET
09/17/09 10:40:28 CALF.
09/17/09 10:40:30 IF I SOUND A LITTLE FROGGISH,
09/17/09 10:40:32 I'M ON THE DOWNSIDE OF A COLD.
09/17/09 10:40:34 FOR THE RECORD, THERE IS NO
09/17/09 10:40:34 SEWER HOUR.
09/17/09 10:40:37 [ LAUGHTER ]
09/17/09 10:40:40 >> I
09/17/09 10:40:42 HAVE NO IDEA WHY NOT.
09/17/09 10:40:45 >> CAN I MAKE A MOTION THAT YOU
09/17/09 10:40:48 GET ONE
09/17/09 10:40:50 IF YOU'D LIKE TO HAVE
09/17/09 10:40:51 ONE?
09/17/09 10:40:53 >> THIS IS BASICALLY THE
09/17/09 10:40:54 SYNOPSIS, THE READER'S DIGEST
09/17/09 10:40:55 VERSION OF THE INFORMATION WE
09/17/09 10:40:58 PRESENTED BACK IN THE MIDDLE OF
09/17/09 10:41:02 JUNE.
09/17/09 10:41:05 COULD WE START THE POWER POINT,
09/17/09 10:41:06 PLEASE.
09/17/09 10:41:07 >> HIT THE RIGHT BUTTON.
09/17/09 10:41:08 [ LAUGHTER ]
09/17/09 10:41:09 >> HIT THE BUTTON.
09/17/09 10:41:11 >> I HAVE AN ASSISTANT.
09/17/09 10:41:13 THE FIRST SLIDE HERE --THIS
09/17/09 10:41:15 TELLS AN AWFUL LOT OF OUR
09/17/09 10:41:16 HISTORY.
09/17/09 10:41:19 WHAT YOU'LL SEE ON HERE IS THE
09/17/09 10:41:20 RED LINE IS RECURRING REVENUE.
09/17/09 10:41:23 THE ENTERPRISES FUNDS ARE
09/17/09 10:41:24 SUPPOSED TO OPERATE AS A
09/17/09 10:41:24 BUSINESS.
09/17/09 10:41:27 AS SUCH WHAT YOU SEE FROM
09/17/09 10:41:28 HERE
09/17/09 10:41:31 IS THAT THE RECURRING
09/17/09 10:41:31 REVENUES
09/17/09 10:41:33 ARE CONSIDERABLY LOWER THAN
09/17/09 10:41:34 EXPENSES.
09/17/09 10:41:37 THE MAIN THING YOU
09/17/09 10:41:40 CAN TAKE OFF
09/17/09 10:41:40 HERE.
09/17/09 10:41:42 THE RECURRING --THE EXPENSES
09/17/09 10:41:45 ARE UP AROUND $100 MILLION PER
09/17/09 10:41:46 YEAR.
09/17/09 10:41:49 THE REVENUES ARE DOWN CLOSER TO
09/17/09 10:41:52 80 BY 2010.
09/17/09 10:41:55 WE'VE HAD A REVENUE DECLINE.
09/17/09 10:41:58 AS WE SAID BEFORE, WHEN
09/17/09 10:41:59 BRANDON
09/17/09 10:42:02 --THE BRANDON METER WAS
09/17/09 10:42:04 REDIRECTED IN HILLSBOROUGH NO
09/17/09 10:42:06 LONGER SENDS FLOW TO THE CITY,
09/17/09 10:42:08 THAT'S ABOUT $2.5 MILLION AND
09/17/09 10:42:10 NEXT YEAR ABOUT 1.2 OF REVENUE
09/17/09 10:42:13 WE WILL NOT GET.
09/17/09 10:42:16 THE PLANT CITY, SMITH
09/17/09 10:42:16 FIELD
09/17/09 10:42:17 PLANT CLOSED.
09/17/09 10:42:19 THEY SHIPPED THEIR STRONG
09/17/09 10:42:21 WASTEWATER TO US.
09/17/09 10:42:23 THAT'S ABOUT $800,000, OUR
09/17/09 10:42:24 ACCOUNTS ARE DOWN.
09/17/09 10:42:27 WITH THE ECONOMY WE'VE BEEN IN,
09/17/09 10:42:29 NORMALLY WE'D GO UP 1.5% A
09/17/09 10:42:29 YEAR.
09/17/09 10:42:31 THE ACTUAL NUMBERS MAY BE A
09/17/09 10:42:33 LITTLE WORSE THAN THAT.
09/17/09 10:42:34 THE CAPACITY FEE REVENUE --
09/17/09 10:42:35 THIS IS THE GROWTH.
09/17/09 10:42:37 THIS IS WHEN YOU COME IN TO
09/17/09 10:42:38 BUILD SOMETHING NEW.
09/17/09 10:42:41 YOU HAVE A CAPACITY
09/17/09 10:42:42 FEE.
09/17/09 10:42:45 AS YOU CAN SEE FOR COMPARISON.
09/17/09 10:42:48 $6.6MILLION IN FY '06.
09/17/09 10:42:50 AND 1.9 IN FY '09.
09/17/09 10:42:52 MAY BE WORSE IN FY '10.
09/17/09 10:42:54 IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PERFECT
09/17/09 10:42:57 STORM, SOME OF OUR EXPENSES
09/17/09 10:43:00 THAT WE REALLY CAN'T DO A
09/17/09 10:43:01 WHOLE
09/17/09 10:43:03 LOT ABOUT HAVE INCREASED.
09/17/09 10:43:06 THE RATES FOR ELECTRICITY HAVE
09/17/09 10:43:07 GONE TO $5.8 MILLION A YEAR.
09/17/09 10:43:11 THAT IN SPITE
09/17/09 10:43:13 OF A LOT OF
09/17/09 10:43:13 EFFICIENCY EFFORTS.
09/17/09 10:43:15 CHEMICALS ARE VERY VOLATILE,
09/17/09 10:43:18 THE PRICE OF THESE
09/17/09 10:43:19 DEPENDS ON
09/17/09 10:43:22 THE WORLDWIDE MARKET FROM
09/17/09 10:43:23 2.4
09/17/09 10:43:23 TO 7.2.
09/17/09 10:43:25 WE MAY BE DOWN A LITTLE BIT.
09/17/09 10:43:28 WE HAVE FOLKS WORKING ON THIS
09/17/09 10:43:30 ALONG WITH PURCHASING.
09/17/09 10:43:31 WE HAVE AN INSURANCE INCREASE.
09/17/09 10:43:33 ALMOST HALF A MILLION DOLLARS.
09/17/09 10:43:36 AND A PENSION OF ALMOST
09/17/09 10:43:39 A
09/17/09 10:43:40 MILLION DOLLARS.
09/17/09 10:43:41 IN'10.
09/17/09 10:43:44 WE HAVE TRIED TO
09/17/09 10:43:45 CONTROL THIS.
09/17/09 10:43:48 WE'VE CUT OURSELVES FROM 411
09/17/09 10:43:51 EMPLOYEES AND '98 TO 359D
09/17/09 10:43:54 IN
09/17/09 10:43:54 2010.
09/17/09 10:43:57 CROSS TRAINING AND OUR
09/17/09 10:43:57 INITIATIVES.
09/17/09 10:44:00 OVER TIME, HAS GONE FROM $1.5
09/17/09 10:44:02 MILLION TO 1.0 IN 2009.
09/17/09 10:44:04 IT'S GOING TO BE DOWN AROUND
09/17/09 10:44:06 850 THIS YEAR.
09/17/09 10:44:08 WE'VE BEEN ROCKING ON IT VERY
09/17/09 10:44:09 HARD.
09/17/09 10:44:10 AS WE SAID.
09/17/09 10:44:13 TREATMENT FOR THE CHEMICALS AND
09/17/09 10:44:16 ODOR CONTROL HAVE TAKEN THIS
09/17/09 10:44:19 DOWN TO 6.5 THIS YEAR AND LOOKS
09/17/09 10:44:22 LIKE BELOW $6 MILLION IN
09/17/09 10:44:23 2010.
09/17/09 10:44:26 AND CAPITAL OUR VEHICLES ONLY
09/17/09 10:44:28 THE THINGS THAT ARE ABSOLUTELY
09/17/09 10:44:30 NEEDED NO SEDANS, WE ARE
09/17/09 10:44:31 TURNING THINGS IN.
09/17/09 10:44:32 ONLY MAJOR EQUIPMENT.
09/17/09 10:44:35 THE ONLY PROJECTS WE DO ARE THE
09/17/09 10:44:36 FIXED INFRASTRUCTURE OR THINGS
09/17/09 10:44:40 THAT WE DON'T HAVE A
09/17/09 10:44:40 CHOICE.
09/17/09 10:44:43 D.O.T, COUNTY OR THE D.O.P.
09/17/09 10:44:44 MAKES US DO.
09/17/09 10:44:47 WE'RE NOT EXPANDING, WE'RE NOT
09/17/09 10:44:49 BUILDING NEW THINGS.
09/17/09 10:44:50 WE ARE FIXING THINGS.
09/17/09 10:44:53 BONNIE SPENT A LOT OF TIME ON
09/17/09 10:44:56 THIS AND BONNIE IS GOING
09/17/09 10:44:58 TO
09/17/09 10:44:59 TALK ABOUT KEEPING OUR CREDIT
09/17/09 10:45:00 GOOD.
09/17/09 10:45:01 >> BONNIE WISE DIRECTOR OF
09/17/09 10:45:02 REVENUE AND FINANCE.
09/17/09 10:45:05 AS WE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE,
09/17/09 10:45:06 FOR
09/17/09 10:45:07 BONDING PURPOSES, OUR WATER AND
09/17/09 10:45:09 WASTE WATER SYSTEMS ARE
09/17/09 10:45:12 TOGETHER AND THEY ARE LOOKED
09/17/09 10:45:14 UPON IN THAT MANNER.
09/17/09 10:45:15 AS WE TALKED ABOUT THOSE
09/17/09 10:45:17 SYSTEMS HAVE A AA RATING WHICH
09/17/09 10:45:20 IS A VERY HIGH
09/17/09 10:45:23 RATING IN THE
09/17/09 10:45:24 RATING CATEGORY WHICH
09/17/09 10:45:27 HISTORICALLY HAS ALLOWED US TO
09/17/09 10:45:30 GO OUT IN THE
09/17/09 10:45:33 BOND MARKET
09/17/09 10:45:34 WITHOUT HAVING BOUGHT BOND
09/17/09 10:45:35 INSURANCE.
09/17/09 10:45:36 THERE'S THIS WHAT WE CALL A
09/17/09 10:45:38 FLIGHT TO QUALITY.
09/17/09 10:45:40 PEOPLE ARE WANTING TO INVEST IN
09/17/09 10:45:42 HIGH QUALITY INVESTMENTS.
09/17/09 10:45:45 AS YOU'VE SEEN
09/17/09 10:45:46 THE YIELD ON
09/17/09 10:45:49 TREASURY SECURITIES IS SO LOW.
09/17/09 10:45:50 WHAT WE TRY TO SHOW YOU IS THAT
09/17/09 10:45:53 IF OUR RATING WERE TO
09/17/09 10:45:55 DROP FROM
09/17/09 10:45:56 A AA TO AN "A.
09/17/09 10:45:59 WATER BONDS IN THE BEGINNING OF
09/17/09 10:46:02 2010 ON A 50 MILLION-DOLLAR
09/17/09 10:46:03 ISSUE, THAT WOULD COST AN
09/17/09 10:46:06 ADDITIONAL WHAT WE
09/17/09 10:46:08 CALL 64
09/17/09 10:46:10 BASIS POINTS WHICH TRANSLATES
09/17/09 10:46:11 TO $320,000 OF ADDITIONAL
09/17/09 10:46:13 INTEREST WE WOULD PAY PER YEAR.
09/17/09 10:46:15 AND BOND ISSUES ARE TYPICALLY
09/17/09 10:46:17 30 YEARS.
09/17/09 10:46:18 A TYPICAL WATER FINANCING COULD
09/17/09 10:46:19 BE $100 MILLION.
09/17/09 10:46:22 SO IT WOULD BE DOUBLE THAT IN
09/17/09 10:46:23 COSTS.
09/17/09 10:46:24 SO THIS IS REALLY DOLLARS ON
09/17/09 10:46:26 QUANTIFYING FOR YOU WHAT THAT
09/17/09 10:46:29 WOULD MEAN IF OUR RATING
09/17/09 10:46:29 WERE
09/17/09 10:46:32 TO DROP TO THE "A" CATEGORY.
09/17/09 10:46:35 >> SO FOR $100 MILLION, THAT
09/17/09 10:46:38 WOULD BE $20 MILLION OVER THE
09/17/09 10:46:41 LIFE
09/17/09 10:46:44 OF THAT BOND, A LOT
09/17/09 10:46:44 OF
09/17/09 10:46:47 MONEY.
09/17/09 10:46:50 >> WHEN THE
09/17/09 10:46:53 COMBINATION OF OUR
09/17/09 10:46:55 FINANCIAL PEOPLE AND OUR
09/17/09 10:46:57 INDEPENDENT ENGINEERS LOOKED AT
09/17/09 10:47:00 ALL THE RATE SCENARIOS AND THE
09/17/09 10:47:01 RECOMMENDATION WE BROUGHT FORTH
09/17/09 10:47:03 LAST TIME WOULD BE A THREE
09/17/09 10:47:07 YEAR, THREE YEARS OF RATE
09/17/09 10:47:07 INCREASE.
09/17/09 10:47:09 THAT WOULD MAKE OUR DEPARTMENT
09/17/09 10:47:10 HOLD FOR FIVE YEARS, THE LAST
09/17/09 10:47:13 TWO YEARS OF THE FIVE YEARS.
09/17/09 10:47:16 THERE WOULD BE NO
09/17/09 10:47:18 RATE
09/17/09 10:47:19 INCREASES.
09/17/09 10:47:22 AND THEY WOULD BE
09/17/09 10:47:28 FY '10, AND
09/17/09 10:47:31 FY '12, 7.5%.
09/17/09 10:47:34 IT GIVES US RESERVE BALANCES.
09/17/09 10:47:35 WITHOUT THIS, WE WILL BE OUT OF
09/17/09 10:47:38 MONEY IN A YEAR AND A
09/17/09 10:47:38 HALF.
09/17/09 10:47:41 WE NEED TO KEEP A
09/17/09 10:47:42 RESERVE AS
09/17/09 10:47:42 YOU ALL RECALL.
09/17/09 10:47:44 THE 12th STREET PROJECT THAT
09/17/09 10:47:47 RUNS FROM UP AT THE
09/17/09 10:47:48 RIVER DOWN
09/17/09 10:47:51 12th STREET WAS A $23
09/17/09 10:47:51 MILLION
09/17/09 10:47:52 PROJECT.
09/17/09 10:47:53 SO SOME OF OUR PROJECTS ARE
09/17/09 10:47:56 VERY EXPENSIVE WHEN THINGS
09/17/09 10:47:57 BREAK.
09/17/09 10:48:00 A MILLION DOLLARS IS NOT
09/17/09 10:48:01 UNCOMMON.
09/17/09 10:48:02 WE WOULD ALSO ALIGN THE
09/17/09 10:48:04 SURCHARGE FOR THE COUNTY AREAS
09/17/09 10:48:07 THAT WE SERVE WITH
09/17/09 10:48:09 WATER.
09/17/09 10:48:13 THIS WOULD NOT FUND
09/17/09 10:48:13 ANY TMDL.
09/17/09 10:48:14 ANY RECLAIMED FURTHER ISSUES,
09/17/09 10:48:17 BUT THIS COULD BE DONE AFTER
09/17/09 10:48:19 THE FIRST THREE YEARS IF THE
09/17/09 10:48:20 NEXT ADMINISTRATION DESIRES.
09/17/09 10:48:23 AS WE SAID, IT PROVIDES
09/17/09 10:48:24 FOR
09/17/09 10:48:27 MINIMAL
09/17/09 10:48:30 CAPITAL
09/17/09 10:48:31 PROGRAMS.
09/17/09 10:48:34 FIXING THINGS ONLY AND
09/17/09 10:48:34 FOR
09/17/09 10:48:35 MAINTENANCE.
09/17/09 10:48:38 THE NEXT --PUSH
09/17/09 10:48:39 THE BUTTON.
09/17/09 10:48:41 THE COMPARISON OF RATES, THIS
09/17/09 10:48:44 IS SOMETHING THAT
09/17/09 10:48:45 EVERYONE
09/17/09 10:48:48 WANTS
09/17/09 10:48:50 SO SEE.
09/17/09 10:48:53 THE PRESENT YEAR IS
09/17/09 10:48:55 IS A. THE
09/17/09 10:48:58 BLUE NUMBERS ARE ALL '09
09/17/09 10:48:59 NUMBERS TOO.
09/17/09 10:49:01 SO THAT'S WHERE WE COMPARE NOW.
09/17/09 10:49:04 IN 2010 IT WOULD GO
09/17/09 10:49:07 UP TO 3910
09/17/09 10:49:10 AND FOR FY '11 IT WOULD BE THE
09/17/09 10:49:13 NEXT NUMBER.
09/17/09 10:49:15 AND THEN THE NEXT NUMBER AFTER
09/17/09 10:49:18 THAT WOULD BE THE 4710.
09/17/09 10:49:21 THOSE NUMBERS --
09/17/09 10:49:23 THE BLUE
09/17/09 10:49:24 NUMBERS ARE FOR '09.
09/17/09 10:49:26 THEY'RE GOING UP.
09/17/09 10:49:28 WE'RE STARTING OUT LOWER.
09/17/09 10:49:31 OUR NUMBERS WOULD GO UP
09/17/09 10:49:34 BUT
09/17/09 10:49:40 THEN AGAIN SO
09/17/09 10:49:42 WOULD EVERYBODY
09/17/09 10:49:43 ELSE'S.
09/17/09 10:49:44 >> YOU CAN SEE THE TOTAL.
09/17/09 10:49:45 THIS IS WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE
09/17/09 10:49:47 WITH THE FIVE YEAR PLAN AND OUR
09/17/09 10:49:50 PLAN.
09/17/09 10:49:53 >> AND
09/17/09 10:49:54 THAT'S OUR PRESENTATION.
09/17/09 10:49:57 WE'LL WILL HAPPY
09/17/09 10:50:00 TO
09/17/09 10:50:03 ANSWER
09/17/09 10:50:03 ANY
09/17/09 10:50:04 QUESTIONS.
09/17/09 10:50:05 >> Chairman Scott: ANY
09/17/09 10:50:05 QUESTIONS?
09/17/09 10:50:06 QUESTIONS BY COUNSEL?
09/17/09 10:50:09 AS I SAID EARLIER AND BASED ON
09/17/09 10:50:10 THE BRIEFING YOU ALL GAVE ME,
09/17/09 10:50:13 IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE
09/17/09 10:50:15 TO
09/17/09 10:50:16 DO.
09/17/09 10:50:16 BASED ON OUR BONDHOLDERS.
09/17/09 10:50:17 >> YES, SIR.
09/17/09 10:50:18 >> Chairman Scott: WE DON'T
09/17/09 10:50:20 HAVE TOO MUCH OF A CHOICE.
09/17/09 10:50:22 >> I THINK THE PRESS WOULD DO A
09/17/09 10:50:24 SERVICE IF THEY COMMUNICATED
09/17/09 10:50:26 THAT OUR RATES ARE STILL AMONG
09/17/09 10:50:28 THE LOWEST IN OUR AREA.
09/17/09 10:50:31 AND I JUST HOPE THAT
09/17/09 10:50:33 THE DUCT
09/17/09 10:50:35 TAPE AND BAILING TWINE WILL
09/17/09 10:50:36 CONTINUE TO HOLD THINGS
09/17/09 10:50:39 TOGETHER UNTIL WE CAN MAKE
09/17/09 10:50:40 THESE MOST NEEDED REPAIRS.
09/17/09 10:50:41 THANK YOU.
09/17/09 10:50:44 >> IF YOU'D LIKE ME TO MOVE
09/17/09 10:50:45 THIS, I'D BE HAPPY TO.
09/17/09 10:50:49 >> I'D LIKE TO HAVE THIS FOR
09/17/09 10:50:50 A
09/17/09 10:50:50 WHOLE COUNCIL VOTE.
09/17/09 10:50:53 I
09/17/09 10:50:55 BELIEVE EVERY VOTE SHOULD BE
09/17/09 10:50:56 COUNTED.
09/17/09 10:50:59 >> WHY DOESN'T SOMEBODY GO GET
09/17/09 10:51:01 THE COUNCILMEMBERS?
09/17/09 10:51:02 >> I DID.
09/17/09 10:51:03 >> AND I AGREE.
09/17/09 10:51:04 THIS IS AN ENTERPRISE FUND THAT
09/17/09 10:51:07 --NOT IN THEORY BUT IN
09/17/09 10:51:10 PRACTICALITY HAS TO TAKE CARE
09/17/09 10:51:10 OF ITSELF.
09/17/09 10:51:12 IF YOU GO FOR $100 MILLION AND
09/17/09 10:51:15 HAVE TO PAY $600,000 A YEAR AND
09/17/09 10:51:18 FIGURE FOR 30 YEARS THE COST OF
09/17/09 10:51:20 DOING THAT TO THE TAXPAYERS AND
09/17/09 10:51:22 GETTING LITTLE RETURN, YOU GET
09/17/09 10:51:25 NOTHING BUT
09/17/09 10:51:28 HAVE
09/17/09 10:51:31 PAID MORE
09/17/09 10:51:33 INTEREST.
09/17/09 10:51:35 UNBEARABLE TO MYSELF AND THE
09/17/09 10:51:35 TAXPAYERS.
09/17/09 10:51:37 >> WHILE HE'S COMING IN, WE'LL
09/17/09 10:51:40 MOVE TO THE
09/17/09 10:51:43 NEXT ITEM.
09/17/09 10:51:57 I BELIEVE COUNCILMEMBER
09/17/09 10:51:58 DINGFELDER'S ITEM.
09/17/09 10:52:01 >> GOING BACK TO
09/17/09 10:52:02 THE CABLE
09/17/09 10:52:02 ITEM,
09/17/09 10:52:05 >>
09/17/09 10:52:06 92.
09/17/09 10:52:06 >> ITEM 92.
09/17/09 10:52:08 >> SHE WAS TALKING ABOUT
09/17/09 10:52:09 >> ALL
09/17/09 10:52:10 >> OF THESE.
09/17/09 10:52:12 >> I HAVE SOMETHING TO BRING UP
09/17/09 10:52:14 IF YOU NEED TO KILL SOME TIME.
09/17/09 10:52:16 >> Chairman Scott: I WANT TO
09/17/09 10:52:19 MAKE SURE WE'RE THROUGH WITH
09/17/09 10:52:21 THE AGENDA.
09/17/09 10:52:24 ITEM 92 AND ITEM
09/17/09 10:52:26 91.
09/17/09 10:52:27 DID YOU HAVE AN ITEM?
09/17/09 10:52:28 [ INDISCERNIBLE ]
09/17/09 10:52:31 >> 91.
09/17/09 10:52:34 >>
09/17/09 10:52:37 I JUST
09/17/09 10:52:57 WANT TO MAKE SURE.
09/17/09 10:52:58 GO AHEAD.
09/17/09 10:52:59 >> Councilmember Saul-Sena: I
09/17/09 10:53:00 PRINTED OUT SOMETHING A FRIEND
09/17/09 10:53:01 SENT ME.
09/17/09 10:53:02 IT IS THE DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY
09/17/09 10:53:02 RECOVERY ACT MONEY.
09/17/09 10:53:03 IT'S ENERGY EFFICIENCY AND
09/17/09 10:53:04 CONVERSATION BLOCK GRANT
09/17/09 10:53:05 PROGRAM, COMPETITIVE GRANTS.
09/17/09 10:53:06 THIS IS A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF
09/17/09 10:53:07 FEDERAL MONEY THAT'S GOING TO
09/17/09 10:53:07 BE AVAILABLE TO LOCAL
09/17/09 10:53:08 MUNICIPALITIES WITH A VERY,
09/17/09 10:53:09 VERY TIGHT TIME FRAME.
09/17/09 10:53:10 THIS CAME OUT TWO DAYS AGO.
09/17/09 10:53:12 AND BY THE 28th OF SEPTEMBER WE
09/17/09 10:53:12 NEED TO GET SOME FEEDBACK.
09/17/09 10:53:16 WE NEED TO GET FEEDBACK
09/17/09 10:53:19 TO
09/17/09 10:53:22 WALK
09/17/09 10:53:27 --TO WASHINGTON.
09/17/09 10:53:31 >> OUR CONGRESS
09/17/09 10:53:33 REPRESENTATIVE
09/17/09 10:53:34 HAS BEEN ENCOURAGING THE CITY
09/17/09 10:53:38 TO PARTICIPATE AND THIS CIRCLES
09/17/09 10:53:41 BACK TO OUR
09/17/09 10:53:41 CONVERSATION FROM
09/17/09 10:53:42 MR. ABBERGER.
09/17/09 10:53:44 WHATEVER YOU CAN DO TO APPLY
09/17/09 10:53:45 FOR THIS MONEY, WE DEFINITELY
09/17/09 10:53:47 NEED TO DO IT.
09/17/09 10:53:48 I'LL SHARE THIS INFORMATION
09/17/09 10:53:51 WITH ALL OF YOU AND HOPE THAT
09/17/09 10:53:54 WE, THE CITY
09/17/09 10:53:55 OF TAMPA, APPLY
09/17/09 10:53:56 FOR IT.
09/17/09 10:53:56 >> OKAY, THANK YOU.
09/17/09 10:53:58 BACK TO ITEM 91.
09/17/09 10:54:01 THERE WAS A MOTION BY
09/17/09 10:54:02 --
09/17/09 10:54:03 >> I'LL SECOND THE MOTION.
09/17/09 10:54:06 >> ALL
09/17/09 10:54:09 IN FAVOR
09/17/09 10:54:10 SIGNIFY BY
09/17/09 10:54:11 SAYING AYE.
09/17/09 10:54:12 >> OPPOSES
09/17/09 10:54:15 >> MOTION CARRIED WITH
09/17/09 10:54:16 DINGFELDER VOTING NO.
09/17/09 10:54:19 >> Chairman Scott: OKAY.
09/17/09 10:54:24 >> ITEM 92.
09/17/09 10:54:27 >> I DON'T SEE MR. FLETCHER
09/17/09 10:54:27 HERE.
09/17/09 10:54:29 I DID HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO
09/17/09 10:54:31 GIVE INPUT AND MY UNDERSTANDING
09/17/09 10:54:33 IS THAT MR. FLETCHER HAS
09/17/09 10:54:34 DRAFTED A LETTER.
09/17/09 10:54:37 I DON'T KNOW WHETHER HE'S BEEN
09/17/09 10:54:39 IN TOUCH WITH YOU,
09/17/09 10:54:40 COUNCILMEMBER DINGFELDER.
09/17/09 10:54:42 BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT
09/17/09 10:54:44 THE LETTER AT THIS POINT IN
09/17/09 10:54:45 TIME IF I RECALL CORRECTLY IS
09/17/09 10:54:48 DATED AFTER THE ADOPTION OF
09/17/09 10:54:48 THE
09/17/09 10:54:49 BUDGET.
09/17/09 10:54:50 I SUSPECT --HERE HE COMES.
09/17/09 10:54:53 I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR HIM.
09/17/09 10:54:56 I WAS TALKING ABOUT ITEM
09/17/09 10:54:56 92.
09/17/09 10:54:58 AND I HAD REFLECTED THAT I HAD
09/17/09 10:55:01 INPUT WITH YOU AND WE HAD
09/17/09 10:55:03 PREPARED A DRAFT AND THAT'S
09/17/09 10:55:06 WHERE WE STAND.
09/17/09 10:55:20 >> I APOLOGIZE FOR BEING
09/17/09 10:55:20 DISTRACTED.
09/17/09 10:55:23 WE'VE GOT A LOT GOING ON TODAY.
09/17/09 10:55:25 CHIP FLETCHER, CITY ATTORNEY.
09/17/09 10:55:28 BASED ON THE MOTION FROM
09/17/09 10:55:29 THE
09/17/09 10:55:31 BUDGET WORKSHOP, I PREPARED A
09/17/09 10:55:33 DRAFT THAT I BELIEVE FOLLOWED
09/17/09 10:55:36 THE MOTION
09/17/09 10:55:38 WHICH WAS TO HAVE A
09/17/09 10:55:41 STATEMENT FROM COUNCIL THAT
09/17/09 10:55:43 WOULD BE APPROVED BY COUNSEL
09/17/09 10:55:45 AFTER THE FINAL VOTE ON THE
09/17/09 10:55:47 BUDGET THAT SPOKE TO THE ISSUE
09/17/09 10:55:50 OF THE BUDGET NOT HAVING RAISES
09/17/09 10:55:53 AND HOW THAT FIT
09/17/09 10:55:55 IN WITH THE
09/17/09 10:55:56 FUTURE IMPASSE HEARINGS THAT
09/17/09 10:55:59 COULD COME
09/17/09 10:55:59 BEFORE COUNCIL.
09/17/09 10:56:01 THE LETTER INDICATES THAT THE
09/17/09 10:56:03 --AND THIS IS ASSUMING THAT
09/17/09 10:56:06 YOU PASS THE BUDGET AS IT IS
09/17/09 10:56:07 NOW UNDER CONSIDERATION.
09/17/09 10:56:10 THAT THE PERSON BUDGET DOES NOT
09/17/09 10:56:13 HAVE RAISES FOR COST
09/17/09 10:56:16 OF LIVING
09/17/09 10:56:17 OR MERIT.
09/17/09 10:56:20 IT INDICATES THAT THERE'S A
09/17/09 10:56:22 SEPARATE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING
09/17/09 10:56:23 PROCESS IN PLACE.
09/17/09 10:56:26 IT'S THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH
09/17/09 10:56:28 NEGOTIATES WITH THE FOUR CITY
09/17/09 10:56:29 UNIONS.
09/17/09 10:56:30 AND THAT THE PERSON PROCESS IS
09/17/09 10:56:32 AN INDEPENDENT PROCESS AND YOU
09/17/09 10:56:35 ALL WILL BE
09/17/09 10:56:36 IN A POSITION TO
09/17/09 10:56:39 SOLVE THAT IF IN FACT IT
09/17/09 10:56:40 DOES
09/17/09 10:56:41 REACH THROUGH THE IMPASSE
09/17/09 10:56:43 PROCESS TO COUNCIL.
09/17/09 10:56:46 AND THEN AT THE END IT HAS A
09/17/09 10:56:49 STATEMENT URGING THE
09/17/09 10:56:50 BARGAINING
09/17/09 10:56:53 AGENTS TO ATTEMPT TO REACH AN
09/17/09 10:56:53 AMICABLE SOLUTION WITHIN THE
09/17/09 10:56:55 BUDGET CONSTRAINTS OF THE
09/17/09 10:56:58 BUDGET APPROVED
09/17/09 10:57:01 BY COUNCIL.
09/17/09 10:57:03 AND WE HAVE REVIEWED THAT TO
09/17/09 10:57:06 MAKE SURE THERE'S NOT A
09/17/09 10:57:06 ISSUE
09/17/09 10:57:09 WITH THAT AND IT'S DRAFTED SO
09/17/09 10:57:11 WE DON'T HAVE A CHARTER ISSUE
09/17/09 10:57:12 RAISED PREVIOUSLY.
09/17/09 10:57:13 SO I PRESENT THAT TO YOU FOR
09/17/09 10:57:14 COUNCIL FOR CONVERSATION.
09/17/09 10:57:16 I DON'T KNOW IF ACTION IS
09/17/09 10:57:19 NECESSARY OR REQUIRED TODAY BUT
09/17/09 10:57:22 CERTAINLY YOU ALL HAVE THAT
09/17/09 10:57:22 OPTION.
09/17/09 10:57:24 >> IF I CAN, COUNCIL, AND I
09/17/09 10:57:27 WANT TO THANKS MR. FLETCHER FOR
09/17/09 10:57:30 ALLOWING ME TO PARTICIPATE IN
09/17/09 10:57:30 ASSISTING HIM.
09/17/09 10:57:32 THE MOTION WAS TO DETERMINE
09/17/09 10:57:34 WHETHER THE LETTER WAS
09/17/09 10:57:34 APPROPRIATE.
09/17/09 10:57:37 THERE WAS NO ACTION
09/17/09 10:57:40 TAKEN ON
09/17/09 10:57:41 THE LETTER ITSELF.
09/17/09 10:57:44 AND QUITE FRANKLY, I WOULD JUST
09/17/09 10:57:45 QUESTION --THINKING ALOUD --
09/17/09 10:57:47 WHETHER IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE
09/17/09 10:57:49 FOR COUNCIL TO DO THIS TODAY.
09/17/09 10:57:52 THE DRAFT OF THE LETTER
09/17/09 10:57:52 IS
09/17/09 10:57:53 DATED THE 23rd.
09/17/09 10:57:54 IT ASSUMES THAT THE BUDGET IS
09/17/09 10:57:58 ADOPTED AS IT HAS BEEN ON
09/17/09 10:57:59 FIRST
09/17/09 10:57:59 READING.
09/17/09 10:58:01 OF COURSE, THAT IS BEING
09/17/09 10:58:02 PREMATURE AT THIS POINT.
09/17/09 10:58:05 MY SUGGESTION WOULD
09/17/09 10:58:06 BE IF
09/17/09 10:58:07 COUNCIL WISHES TO ADDRESS THIS
09/17/09 10:58:10 THAT IT DO IT IN
09/17/09 10:58:12 A FORMAL FORM
09/17/09 10:58:13 AT A LATER DATE SUBSEQUENT TO
09/17/09 10:58:15 THE ADOPTION OF THE BUDGET BUT
09/17/09 10:58:18 SUBSEQUENT
09/17/09 10:58:20 TO THE ADOPTION OF
09/17/09 10:58:21 THE BUDGET.
09/17/09 10:58:21 >>
09/17/09 10:58:22 >> Councilmember Dingfelder: I
09/17/09 10:58:25 WAS THINKING THE SAME THING
09/17/09 10:58:27 THAT MY MOTION WOULD BE OF
09/17/09 10:58:28 COURSE ENCOURAGING COUNCIL TO
09/17/09 10:58:30 READ THROUGH AND MAKE SURE
09/17/09 10:58:31 EVERYBODY IS GOOD WITH THE
09/17/09 10:58:32 LANGUAGE.
09/17/09 10:58:35 I THINK IT SHOULD BE SIGNED BY
09/17/09 10:58:36 ALL OF US SEPARATELY.
09/17/09 10:58:38 I MEAN SEVEN BLANKS THERE AND
09/17/09 10:58:41 WE ALL
09/17/09 10:58:42 SIGN IT.
09/17/09 10:58:43 IT'S UNITED WE STAND.
09/17/09 10:58:45 AND I WOULD --MY MOTION WOULD
09/17/09 10:58:48 BE TO PUT THIS ON THE AGENDA
09/17/09 10:58:51 FOR BUDGET EVENING --WHAT
09/17/09 10:58:54 NIGHT IS IT?
09/17/09 10:58:54 THE 23rd
09/17/09 10:58:55 >> 23rd.
09/17/09 10:58:58 >> A NON-BUDGET ITEM AFTER
09/17/09 10:59:00 THE
09/17/09 10:59:00 HEARING CLOSES.
09/17/09 10:59:01 >> SECOND.
09/17/09 10:59:04 >> Chairman Scott: MOVED AND
09/17/09 10:59:05 SECONDED BY COUNCILMEMBER
09/17/09 10:59:06 DINGFELDER.
09/17/09 10:59:07 >> JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT'S
09/17/09 10:59:09 CLEAR THAT THE MOTION INCLUDES
09/17/09 10:59:11 THE FACT THAT YOU WANT SEVEN
09/17/09 10:59:12 SIGNATURE LINES.
09/17/09 10:59:15 >> RIGHT, SEVEN
09/17/09 10:59:17 SIGNATURE LINES
09/17/09 10:59:19 AND ON CITY COUNCIL STATIONERY
09/17/09 10:59:20 OBVIOUSLY.
09/17/09 10:59:23 AND IF ANYBODY HAS COMMENTS OR
09/17/09 10:59:26 SUGGESTIONS BETWEEN NOW AND
09/17/09 10:59:29 THEN, ROUTE THEM THROUGH MR.
09/17/09 10:59:30 SHELBY AND MR. FLETCHER.
09/17/09 10:59:33 >> IT'S WELL WRITTEN
09/17/09 10:59:34 AND MY
09/17/09 10:59:35 COMPLIMENTS.
09/17/09 10:59:37 >> VERY WELL DONE.
09/17/09 10:59:38 >> IT IS MR. FLETCHER.
09/17/09 10:59:41 >> THERE'S
09/17/09 10:59:44 A MOTION MOVED AND
09/17/09 10:59:46 SECONDED.
09/17/09 10:59:49 ALL
09/17/09 10:59:51 IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING
09/17/09 10:59:52 AYE.
09/17/09 10:59:55 >> THAT IS LAST --COUNCILMAN
09/17/09 10:59:58 DINGFELDER --ONE LAST PULL
09/17/09 10:59:59 ITEM THAT WE NEEDED TO ADDRESS.
09/17/09 11:00:02 >> THAT IS THE TELEPHONE
09/17/09 11:00:04 CABLE
09/17/09 11:00:04 GUY.
09/17/09 11:00:05 >> THE CAPTIONER.
09/17/09 11:00:06 >> YES, SIR.
09/17/09 11:00:09 >> THE GENTLEMAN WHO WANTS TO
09/17/09 11:00:10 SPEAK.
09/17/09 11:00:11 >> THANK YOU.
09/17/09 11:00:12 >> ONE MORE ITEM.
09/17/09 11:00:13 >> GOOD MORNING, EVERYBODY.
09/17/09 11:00:16 I THINK A LOT OF YOU KNOW
09/17/09 11:00:16 ME
09/17/09 11:00:19 FROM YEARS IN THE PAST.
09/17/09 11:00:21 >> STATE YOUR NAME PLEASE.
09/17/09 11:00:21 >> JACK BANO.
09/17/09 11:00:24 AND GENERALLY I'M ON THE OTHER
09/17/09 11:00:25 SIDE OF THAT GLASS WINDOW.
09/17/09 11:00:27 I WAS FOR MANY, MANY YEARS.
09/17/09 11:00:29 AND AS TECHNOLOGY ALLOWED WE
09/17/09 11:00:32 WERE DOING IT OFF SITE.
09/17/09 11:00:33 THE REALTIME CAPTIONS.
09/17/09 11:00:36 AND I CAME UP WITH SOME
09/17/09 11:00:39 THOUGHTS TODAY
09/17/09 11:00:41 AND I HEARD SOME
09/17/09 11:00:42 GOOD COMMENTS.
09/17/09 11:00:43 MS.SAUL-SENA YOU MENTIONED
09/17/09 11:00:45 ABOUT THE LOCAL FEATURE.
09/17/09 11:00:46 AND THAT IS CERTAINLY TRUE.
09/17/09 11:00:49 AND IF YOU ALL GOT A COPY OF MY
09/17/09 11:00:52 HANDOUT, I DON'T
09/17/09 11:00:54 HAVE TO REPEAT
09/17/09 11:00:55 ALL OF THAT.
09/17/09 11:00:58 BUT I DO WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT
09/17/09 11:01:00 I WAS DISAPPOINTED THAT WE
09/17/09 11:01:02 DIDN'T GET THE REBID.
09/17/09 11:01:03 AND I DON'T THINK IT'S SO MUCH
09/17/09 11:01:05 WHAT YOU'RE PAYING AS WHAT IS
09/17/09 11:01:08 THE VALUE OF WHAT YOU'RE
09/17/09 11:01:09 GETTING.
09/17/09 11:01:10 I THINK THAT'S THE QUESTION.
09/17/09 11:01:13 SO IF ITS $6000 A YEAR AND
09/17/09 11:01:15 YOU'VE GOT THINGS ON THE
09/17/09 11:01:16 TRANSCRIPTS AND FILES ONLINE,
09/17/09 11:01:19 HOW MUCH OF A HELP IS THAT TO
09/17/09 11:01:22 YOU AND THE PEOPLE AT HOME,
09/17/09 11:01:23 YOUR STAFF, YOUR DEPARTMENT
09/17/09 11:01:26 HEADS WHO ARE RELYING ON THAT.
09/17/09 11:01:28 IF THEY GO BACK TO THE VIDEO AT
09/17/09 11:01:29 LEAST THEY HAVE A REFERENCE
09/17/09 11:01:32 POINT TO SAY ALREADY ALL
09/17/09 11:01:33 RIGHT.
09/17/09 11:01:36 THIS OCCURRED AT 9:35 AND 45
09/17/09 11:01:37 SECONDS.
09/17/09 11:01:39 THE OTHER THING THAT YOU
09/17/09 11:01:42 MENTIONED WAS THE
09/17/09 11:01:43 "A" TEAM.
09/17/09 11:01:46 AND I WOULD SAY WE'VE GOT THE A
09/17/09 11:01:46 TEAM.
09/17/09 11:01:47 IT'S LOOKING GOOD.
09/17/09 11:01:50 WE HAVE 22 KEYS AND WE'RE
09/17/09 11:01:51 WRITING PHENOMENON ITICALLY AND
09/17/09 11:01:52 FAST.
09/17/09 11:01:55 AND SOME PEOPLE FORGET TO GIVE
09/17/09 11:01:58 THE NAME OR GIVE THEIR NAME
09/17/09 11:01:59 WHILE THEY'RE BACK.
09/17/09 11:02:00 YOU HAVE THE "A" TEAM.
09/17/09 11:02:03 IF YOU HAVE A FIRM THAT HAS 165
09/17/09 11:02:06 IN THE FIRM, WHAT
09/17/09 11:02:08 LETTER EQUALS
09/17/09 11:02:09 165?
09/17/09 11:02:10 WHERE DOES THAT FIT?
09/17/09 11:02:11 WHO IS GOING TO BE OUT THERE
09/17/09 11:02:13 THAT HAS INTEREST IN THE CITY
09/17/09 11:02:15 OF TAMPA AND OUR AREA THAT
09/17/09 11:02:18 THEY'RE GOING TO STUDY AND PUT
09/17/09 11:02:21 IN THE WORK THAT
09/17/09 11:02:23 THEY HAVE TO
09/17/09 11:02:24 DO.
09/17/09 11:02:27 THE OTHER THING YOU MENTIONED
09/17/09 11:02:28 WAS THE FACT THAT WE'RE
09/17/09 11:02:31 FAMILIAR WITH CITY NAMES AND
09/17/09 11:02:34 STREET NAMES AND OF
09/17/09 11:02:35 COURSE WE
09/17/09 11:02:38 ALL IN MY COMPANY, WE SHOP AT
09/17/09 11:02:40 INTERNATIONAL WEST SHORE, HIGH
09/17/09 11:02:41 PARK, HEADS AND TAILS, AND
09/17/09 11:02:44 THAT'S WHERE WE GO TO SUPPORT
09/17/09 11:02:46 THE GATORS AND THE SEMINOLES
09/17/09 11:02:47 AND THE BULLS.
09/17/09 11:02:49 AND WE HAVE FAMILY MEMBERS FROM
09/17/09 11:02:51 ALL THREE OF THE SCHOOLS.
09/17/09 11:02:53 WE'RE MUCH LIKE YOU.
09/17/09 11:02:54 WE'RE HERE, WE'RE LOCAL, AND WE
09/17/09 11:02:56 SPEND OUR MONEY.
09/17/09 11:02:57 A LOT OF MONEY.
09/17/09 11:03:00 EVERY TIME I FLY OUT OF
09/17/09 11:03:02 --EVEN
09/17/09 11:03:03 THOUGH WE'RE IN MANATEE COUNTY,
09/17/09 11:03:07 WE USE THE SERVICES HERE OF
09/17/09 11:03:07 THE
09/17/09 11:03:08 HOSPITALS.
09/17/09 11:03:09 MY PARENTS BOTH WERE
09/17/09 11:03:13 HOSPITALIZED HERE
09/17/09 11:03:13 AND TREATED
09/17/09 11:03:16 FOR LIFE ENDING DISEASES.
09/17/09 11:03:19 AND IT'S
09/17/09 11:03:20 OUR COMMUNITY.
09/17/09 11:03:23 SO I'VE HEARD AS I'M CAPTIONING
09/17/09 11:03:25 THESE THINGS, I HEAR HOW ABOUT
09/17/09 11:03:26 SUPPORTING LOCAL.
09/17/09 11:03:28 AND I'VE HEARD YOU SAY THAT'S
09/17/09 11:03:29 IMPORTANT TO YOU.
09/17/09 11:03:31 AND AS WELL IT SHOULD BE.
09/17/09 11:03:34 I JUST WANTED TO COME
09/17/09 11:03:34 UP AND
09/17/09 11:03:37 MAKE SURE THAT IF YOU HAVE
09/17/09 11:03:39 SOMEBODY DO A FAVOR THAT IT'S
09/17/09 11:03:42 WRITTEN LIKE WE
09/17/09 11:03:45 WOULD WRITE IT
09/17/09 11:03:48 HERE IN FLORIDA AND NOT --THE
09/17/09 11:03:51 SAME WITH HONOR AND IT WOULD BE
09/17/09 11:03:56 NICE TO HAVE THE LOCAL VENDORS.
09/17/09 11:03:59 >> I'VE NEVER HEARD THAT SO
09/17/09 11:04:00 CLOSE UP.
09/17/09 11:04:01 >> THOSE ARE THE COMMENTS.
09/17/09 11:04:02 I WANT TO BE ALWAYS WHETHER I
09/17/09 11:04:05 EVER GET THE PRIVILEGE OF
09/17/09 11:04:07 WORKING WITH YOU AGAIN, TO FEEL
09/17/09 11:04:08 FREE TO CALL ME.
09/17/09 11:04:11 WE HAVE EVERY CREDENTIAL THAT'S
09/17/09 11:04:13 POSSIBLE BY THE NATIONAL
09/17/09 11:04:14 ACCREDITING ASSOCIATION.
09/17/09 11:04:16 THERE'S NOTHING THAT WE DON'T
09/17/09 11:04:17 HAVE.
09/17/09 11:04:17 >> OKAY.
09/17/09 11:04:18 THANK YOU.
09/17/09 11:04:21 >> THAT'S ALL.
09/17/09 11:04:22 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09/17/09 11:04:25 >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR YEARS
09/17/09 11:04:26 OF
09/17/09 11:04:27 SERVICE.
09/17/09 11:04:27 AND YOU WRITE BEAUTIFULLY WHEN
09/17/09 11:04:30 IT'S YOUR OWN SPEECH AS WELL AS
09/17/09 11:04:31 TRYING TO TRANSCRIBE OURS.
09/17/09 11:04:34 IT'S A VERY THOUGHTFUL LETTER
09/17/09 11:04:37 AND WE'LL HAVE FURTHER
09/17/09 11:04:40 CONVERSATIONS WITH
09/17/09 11:04:46 MISS SNYDER
09/17/09 11:04:47 ABOUT THIS.
09/17/09 11:04:48 >> NEW BUSINESS?
09/17/09 11:04:48 >> COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
09/17/09 11:04:49 >> Councilmember Dingfelder:
09/17/09 11:04:52 I'L L RUN THROUGH IT FAST.
09/17/09 11:04:53 PUSHING THE ORLANDO TO TAMPA
09/17/09 11:04:55 HIGH SPEED RAIL I THINK IS A
09/17/09 11:04:57 FANTASTIC PROPOSITION, TRYING
09/17/09 11:04:59 TO GET FEDERAL MONEY FOR THAT.
09/17/09 11:05:03 I'VE ASKED THE COUNCIL TO DO
09/17/09 11:05:03 A
09/17/09 11:05:04 LETTER OF SUPPORT.
09/17/09 11:05:07 MY MOTION WOULD BE TO ASK
09/17/09 11:05:10 MR.
09/17/09 11:05:13 CHAIRMAN
09/17/09 11:05:15 TO WORK WITH MR.
09/17/09 11:05:16 SHELBY FOR THAT INITIATIVE.
09/17/09 11:05:18 >> IF I COULD ASK WHO YOU WOULD
09/17/09 11:05:19 HAVE THE BACKGROUND
09/17/09 11:05:19 INFORMATION?
09/17/09 11:05:20 >> I'LL GIVE THAT TO YOU.
09/17/09 11:05:23 >> THAT WOULD BE MY
09/17/09 11:05:25 MOTION.
09/17/09 11:05:26 >> SECONDED.
09/17/09 11:05:29 >> ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY
09/17/09 11:05:30 SAYING AYE.
09/17/09 11:05:33 >> AS WE ALL READ
09/17/09 11:05:34 OR WERE
09/17/09 11:05:37 ATTENDED YESTERDAY, LOOKS LIKE
09/17/09 11:05:40 WE'LL BE LOSING CHIEF
09/17/09 11:05:41 HOGE AND
09/17/09 11:05:44 CHIEF GUDARA A LITTLE
09/17/09 11:05:45 SOONER
09/17/09 11:05:47 THAN EXPECTED.
09/17/09 11:05:50 LET'S NOT GIVE HIM
09/17/09 11:05:52 A CHOICE.
09/17/09 11:05:53 WE SHOULD GIVE HIM
09/17/09 11:05:56 ACCOMMODATION
09/17/09 11:05:59 AT OUR
09/17/09 11:06:00 WORKSHOP.
09/17/09 11:06:03 >> ALL IN FAVOR --
09/17/09 11:06:06 >> NEXT ONE IS A BOY SCOUT --
09/17/09 11:06:09 LET'S SEE --EXCUSE ME,
09/17/09 11:06:10 I'M
09/17/09 11:06:10 SORRY.
09/17/09 11:06:14 A MOTION FOR TO APPEAR WITH
09/17/09 11:06:17 TROOP 45 CHRIST AS
09/17/09 11:06:17 KING CHURCH.
09/17/09 11:06:20 I GUESS THAT WOULD BE ASKING
09/17/09 11:06:23 MR. CHAIRMAN TO
09/17/09 11:06:23 RECOGNIZE THEM
09/17/09 11:06:24 ON THAT EVENING.
09/17/09 11:06:27 >> SECOND.
09/17/09 11:06:29 >> ON WHICH EVENING IS THAT?
09/17/09 11:06:32 >> SEPTEMBER 24th AT
09/17/09 11:06:32 5:30.
09/17/09 11:06:35 THE JUDGE IS BRINGING
09/17/09 11:06:38 BOY
09/17/09 11:06:39 SCOUTS.
09/17/09 11:06:40 >> AND ALL IN FAVOR --
09/17/09 11:06:44 >> DOWN IN
09/17/09 11:06:45 MY DISTRICT THERE'S
09/17/09 11:06:48 A FLOODING
09/17/09 11:06:50 ISSUE ON SHAM BRAY C-
09/17/09 11:06:51 H-A-M-B-R-A-Y. IF I COULD GET
09/17/09 11:06:53 STAFF TO COME IN TWO WEEKS.
09/17/09 11:06:56 ARE WE HAVING A NORMAL MEETING
09/17/09 11:06:58 IN TWO WEEKS?
09/17/09 11:06:59 >> OCTOBER 1ST.
09/17/09 11:07:00 >> OCTOBER 1ST, OKAY.
09/17/09 11:07:03 THE TOMORROW WATER STAFF
09/17/09 11:07:03 TO
09/17/09 11:07:07 COME AND GIVE US A
09/17/09 11:07:10 UPDATE
09/17/09 11:07:10 ON
09/17/09 11:07:11 CHAMBRAY LANE.
09/17/09 11:07:12 >> ALL IN FAVOR.
09/17/09 11:07:14 >> AND THE LAST ONE IS I WAS
09/17/09 11:07:17 APPROACHED BY THE FOLKS FROM
09/17/09 11:07:19 THE EAST TAMPA BUSINESS AND
09/17/09 11:07:20 CIVIC ASSOCIATION.
09/17/09 11:07:21 YOU ALL KNOW THEM.
09/17/09 11:07:23 THEY'RE TRYING TO PUT TOGETHER
09/17/09 11:07:25 THE EAST TAMPA MEDICAL PARK.
09/17/09 11:07:27 AND THEY HAVE A LITTLE PARCEL
09/17/09 11:07:30 OF LAND THAT'S
09/17/09 11:07:32 $16,000 THAT
09/17/09 11:07:33 THEY'VE GOT UNDER CONTRACT.
09/17/09 11:07:36 IF I WOULD ASK MR. HUEY OR MS.
09/17/09 11:07:38 MILLER OR SOMEBODY ON STAFF TO
09/17/09 11:07:41 COME TO SPEAK TO THAT ISSUE
09/17/09 11:07:44 TO
09/17/09 11:07:45 SEE IF WE COULD EXPEDITE THAT
09/17/09 11:07:46 LAND ACQUISITION.
09/17/09 11:07:48 AND THAT WOULD BE TWO WEEKS.
09/17/09 11:07:50 >> JUST FOR YOUR INFORMATION, I
09/17/09 11:07:52 TALKED TO MS. MILLER ON THAT
09/17/09 11:07:54 ISSUE AND I THINK THEY'VE
09/17/09 11:07:56 VISITED MOST ALL THE COUNCIL
09/17/09 11:07:57 PEOPLE ON THAT.
09/17/09 11:08:00 I'VE BEEN TOLD THEIR
09/17/09 11:08:03 WORKING
09/17/09 11:08:03 ON
09/17/09 11:08:04 THAT.
09/17/09 11:08:05 THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN TOLD.
09/17/09 11:08:08 [ OVERLAPPING SPEAKERS
09/17/09 11:08:10 ]
09/17/09 11:08:12 >> I'VE DONE THE SAME THING.
09/17/09 11:08:13 >> I JUST THINK IT WOULD BE
09/17/09 11:08:15 GOOD TO BRING IT TO A HEAD AND
09/17/09 11:08:18 SEE IF
09/17/09 11:08:21 WE
09/17/09 11:08:24 CAN GET THIS THING
09/17/09 11:08:25 MOVING.
09/17/09 11:08:26 >> SECOND.
09/17/09 11:08:27 >> COUNCILMAN CAETANO --
09/17/09 11:08:27 >> NO.
09/17/09 11:08:31 >> LET'S
09/17/09 11:08:34 CARRY THE
09/17/09 11:08:34 MOTION.
09/17/09 11:08:37 ALL IN FAVOR.
09/17/09 11:08:40 >> I RECEIVED A
09/17/09 11:08:40 LETTER
09/17/09 11:08:42 ADDRESSED TO SEAN HARRISON.
09/17/09 11:08:43 WHAT IT'S ABOUT.
09/17/09 11:08:46 WE WANT TO GIVE AN
09/17/09 11:08:49 ACCOMMODATION TO A JOHNSON
09/17/09 11:08:52 WILSON WHO ACHIEVED THE EAGLE
09/17/09 11:08:55 SCOUT RANK ON OCTOBER 3, 2009
09/17/09 11:08:57 AT THE FOREST HILLS UNITED
09/17/09 11:08:58 METHODIST CHURCH.
09/17/09 11:08:59 >> SECOND.
09/17/09 11:09:00 >> YOU'RE GOING TO PRESENT IT
09/17/09 11:09:01 TO HIM.
09/17/09 11:09:04 >> YEAH, I'LL
09/17/09 11:09:06 PRESENT IT TO
09/17/09 11:09:07 HIM.
09/17/09 11:09:08 >>> THANK YOU.
09/17/09 11:09:09 MR.CHAIRMAN.
09/17/09 11:09:10 I HAVE SEVERAL THINGS.
09/17/09 11:09:12 THIS IS A REQUEST OF MY
09/17/09 11:09:12 COLLEAGUES.
09/17/09 11:09:14 I UNDERSTAND THAT WE ALL --AND
09/17/09 11:09:17 I RECEIVED A LETTER FROM
09/17/09 11:09:18 AL FOX
09/17/09 11:09:21 FROM THE ALLIANCE FOR
09/17/09 11:09:23 RESPONSIBLE CUBA POLICY
09/17/09 11:09:26 INVITING US TO GO TO CUBA TO
09/17/09 11:09:29 WORK ON OUR ECONOMIC
09/17/09 11:09:31 DEVELOPMENT ISSUES WITH HAVANA.
09/17/09 11:09:32 AND ALL I'M ASKING IS THAT
09/17/09 11:09:34 PEOPLE WOULD RESPOND TO THE
09/17/09 11:09:37 LETTER AS I GUESS HE HASN'T
09/17/09 11:09:38 HEARD FROM PEOPLE.
09/17/09 11:09:40 AND THE SECOND THING I WANTED
09/17/09 11:09:41 TO ANNOUNCE.
09/17/09 11:09:44 AND I WISH I WOULD HAVE ASKED
09/17/09 11:09:45 MINDY SNYDER.
09/17/09 11:09:47 BUT SATURDAY I'M HOSTING A
09/17/09 11:09:49 COMMUNITY GARDENING WORKSHOP AT
09/17/09 11:09:50 SWEET WATER FARM.
09/17/09 11:09:53 AND I THINK YOU'VE ALL RECEIVED
09/17/09 11:09:54 THIS INFORMATION.
09/17/09 11:09:56 BUT I WILL FORWARD IT ALL TO
09/17/09 11:09:58 YOU IF UP NOT.
09/17/09 11:10:01 IT'S GOING TO BE OPEN TO ALL
09/17/09 11:10:04 THE COMMUNITY GARDENING GROUPS
09/17/09 11:10:06 AND ANY GARDENERS INTERESTED IN
09/17/09 11:10:08 WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE TAMPA
09/17/09 11:10:10 BAY AREA, HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY
09/17/09 11:10:11 AND TAMPA.
09/17/09 11:10:14 AND IT'S FROM 10:00 UNTIL 1:00,
09/17/09 11:10:17 PROBABLY THE WORKSHOP WILL BE
09/17/09 11:10:20 10:00 TO 2:00 AND --I'M SORRY,
09/17/09 11:10:23 10:00 TO NOON AND BEFORE THE
09/17/09 11:10:26 MEETING THERE ARE
09/17/09 11:10:26 TOURS OF
09/17/09 11:10:28 SWEET WATER ORGANIC FARM.
09/17/09 11:10:31 WE'VE
09/17/09 11:10:34 INVITED A
09/17/09 11:10:37 LOT OF
09/17/09 11:10:37 COMMUNITY GROUPS.
09/17/09 11:10:39 THERE ARE A NUMBER FROM A LOT
09/17/09 11:10:41 OF NEIGHBORHOODS IN TAMPA.
09/17/09 11:10:42 IT WOULD BE INTERESTING FOR
09/17/09 11:10:43 EVERYONE HERE.
09/17/09 11:10:46 THEN I WOULD LIKE TO
09/17/09 11:10:48 MAKE A
09/17/09 11:10:50 MOTION TO SCHEDULE WORKSHOP TO
09/17/09 11:10:53 DISCUSS THE APPROVED PLANT LIST
09/17/09 11:10:56 FOR THE CITY WITH OUR PARKS
09/17/09 11:10:59 DEPARTMENT AND I DON'T KNOW
09/17/09 11:10:59 WHO
09/17/09 11:11:01 ELSE, PROBABLY JUST PARKS TO
09/17/09 11:11:04 LOOK AT IF WE HAVE A
09/17/09 11:11:06 LIST AND
09/17/09 11:11:08 DEVELOPING A LIST OF DROUGHT
09/17/09 11:11:09 TOLERANT, NATIVE, AND
09/17/09 11:11:11 SUSTAINABLE PLANTS THAT THE
09/17/09 11:11:13 CITY USE WHEN PLANTS.
09/17/09 11:11:16 THAT'S A MOTION FOR DECEMBER
09/17/09 11:11:19 10th AT I THINK WHATEVER
09/17/09 11:11:20 TIME
09/17/09 11:11:22 THE WORKSHOP STARTS.
09/17/09 11:11:22 >> 11:00.
09/17/09 11:11:25 >> THE QUESTION TO ME IS THIS A
09/17/09 11:11:27 WORKSHOP TO DEVELOP A LIST?
09/17/09 11:11:28 >> IT'S TO HEAR FROM STAFF IF
09/17/09 11:11:32 THEY HAVE ONE AND TO LOOK
09/17/09 11:11:33 AT IT
09/17/09 11:11:36 AND TO HEAR FROM THE COMMUNITY
09/17/09 11:11:38 --ENVIRONMENTAL COMMUNITY
09/17/09 11:11:39 ABOUT RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THAT.
09/17/09 11:11:40 AND NEIGHBORHOODS.
09/17/09 11:11:43 I'VE HAD A LOT
09/17/09 11:11:46 OF
09/17/09 11:11:47 NEIGHBORHOODS
09/17/09 11:11:49 TALK TO ME ABOUT THAT.
09/17/09 11:11:51 IT'S A PUBLIC WORKSHOP AND
09/17/09 11:11:53 PEOPLE CAN CONTRIBUTE TO THAT.
09/17/09 11:11:53 >> SECOND.
09/17/09 11:11:55 >> I'M TRYING TO FIND OUT AGAIN
09/17/09 11:11:56 THOUGH.
09/17/09 11:11:59 IS THIS A WORKSHOP FOR STAFF TO
09/17/09 11:12:01 MEET WITH US.
09/17/09 11:12:04 TALK ABOUT AVAILABLE LISTINGS
09/17/09 11:12:06 FOR ENVIRONMENTAL PLANS OR
09/17/09 11:12:07 WHATEVER?
09/17/09 11:12:09 >> THE GENERAL WORKSHOP IS
09/17/09 11:12:11 DESIGNED TO REALLY EDUCATE
09/17/09 11:12:14 COUNCIL ON --THAT'S WHAT THEIR
09/17/09 11:12:15 DESIGNED FOR.
09/17/09 11:12:16 >> I'D LIKE TO BE EDUCATED BY
09/17/09 11:12:18 THE STAFF AND ALSO BY THE
09/17/09 11:12:19 PUBLIC.
09/17/09 11:12:21 AND I'D ALSO LIKE LEGAL TO BE
09/17/09 11:12:23 THERE TO LET US KNOW IF THIS IS
09/17/09 11:12:26 SOMETHING WE MIGHT BE
09/17/09 11:12:27 ABLE TO
09/17/09 11:12:28 ADOPT BY ORDINANCE.
09/17/09 11:12:30 >> MIGHT YOU WANT --COUNSEL
09/17/09 11:12:32 CAN ATTEND THE WORKSHOP.
09/17/09 11:12:35 MIGHT YOU WANT A
09/17/09 11:12:36 STAFF REPORT
09/17/09 11:12:39 PERHAPS, A WRITTEN STAFF
09/17/09 11:12:39 REPORT?
09/17/09 11:12:42 >> THEN I'LL MAKE TWO MENTIONS,
09/17/09 11:12:43 A WRITTEN STAFF --TWO MOTIONS.
09/17/09 11:12:47 A WRITTEN STAFF REPORT IN
09/17/09 11:12:48 30
09/17/09 11:12:48 DAYS.
09/17/09 11:12:51 >> MAY I MAKE A SUGGESTION?
09/17/09 11:12:53 >> I WOULD SUGGEST THAT YOU ASK
09/17/09 11:12:56 STAFF COME PREPARED TO BRING A
09/17/09 11:12:59 LISTING OF WHATEVER PLANTS THEY
09/17/09 11:13:00 HAVE.
09/17/09 11:13:00 >> THAT'S WHAT I SAID.
09/17/09 11:13:04 >> YOU WANT TO SET THE WORKSHOP
09/17/09 11:13:04 THEN?
09/17/09 11:13:05 >> THEY'RE GOING TO BE
09/17/09 11:13:06 PARTICIPATING.
09/17/09 11:13:08 SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A
09/17/09 11:13:09 REPORT.
09/17/09 11:13:11 WHEN THEY COME, THEY'RE GOING
09/17/09 11:13:12 TO BRING THE REPORT.
09/17/09 11:13:15 >> I WOULD LIKE TO SET A
09/17/09 11:13:15 WORKSHOP.
09/17/09 11:13:17 I DON'T NEED HELP MAKING A
09/17/09 11:13:20 SIMPLE MOTION, THANK YOU VERY
09/17/09 11:13:22 MUCH.
09/17/09 11:13:23 >> FINE.
09/17/09 11:13:24 THERE'S A MOTION.
09/17/09 11:13:27 >> ALL IN
09/17/09 11:13:29 FAVOR SIGNIFY BY
09/17/09 11:13:30 SAYING AYE.
09/17/09 11:13:31 >> SORRY.
09/17/09 11:13:32 >> MOTION CARRIED WITH SCOTT
09/17/09 11:13:33 VOTING NO.
09/17/09 11:13:36 >> I WANTED TO REPORT --AND I
09/17/09 11:13:39 WANTED TO THANK COUNCIL FOR
09/17/09 11:13:42 SUPPORTING AND WRITING A
09/17/09 11:13:43 LETTER
09/17/09 11:13:46 TO THE COUNTY ENCOURAGING THE
09/17/09 11:13:47 ELAP PROGRAM TO ACQUIRE CONE
09/17/09 11:13:50 RANCH WHICH IS IMPORTANT
09/17/09 11:13:53 TO THE
09/17/09 11:13:54 WATERSHED.
09/17/09 11:13:57 AND REPORT THAT ELAF
09/17/09 11:13:58 DID
09/17/09 11:14:01 UPGRADE TO "A" STATUS PUTTING
09/17/09 11:14:04 IT
09/17/09 11:14:06 AT THE HEAD OF THE LIST.
09/17/09 11:14:09 >> I'D LIKE TO HAVE THE CITY
09/17/09 11:14:11 COME BY MY HOUSE AND TELL ME
09/17/09 11:14:14 WHAT DROUGHT TOLERANT
09/17/09 11:14:15 PLANTS
09/17/09 11:14:18 HAVE AND WHAT MY WATER USE IS
09/17/09 11:14:20 AND TELL ME WHAT TO DO.
09/17/09 11:14:23 I WISH ALL COUNCILMEMBERS
09/17/09 11:14:24 WOULD
09/17/09 11:14:26 FOLLOW THAT LEAD.
09/17/09 11:14:27 THANK YOU.
09/17/09 11:14:28 >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
09/17/09 11:14:31 THE FIRST THING I'D LIKE TO
09/17/09 11:14:33 DO
09/17/09 11:14:33 IS SHARE WITH EVERYONE.
09/17/09 11:14:36 BEST OF THE BAY AND JOHN
09/17/09 11:14:38 DINGFELDER WAS VOTED BEST
09/17/09 11:14:39 POLITICIAN.
09/17/09 11:14:41 I WANT TO CONGRATULATE YOU.
09/17/09 11:14:42 IT'S BAY WIDE.
09/17/09 11:14:45 IT'S ALL LEVELS OF GOVERNMENT.
09/17/09 11:14:47 THANK YOU FOR MAKING US PROUD.
09/17/09 11:14:50 >> AND NEXT WE HAVE AN ISSUE
09/17/09 11:14:51 ON
09/17/09 11:14:54 OUR AGENDA FOR THE WORKSHOP ON
09/17/09 11:14:56 SEPTEMBER 24th AT 9:00 TO
09/17/09 11:14:58 DISCUSS THE ISSUE OF RECLAIMED
09/17/09 11:15:00 WATER AS A SOURCE --PUTTING
09/17/09 11:15:02 THAT ON THE BALLOT.
09/17/09 11:15:03 THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION WHERE
09/17/09 11:15:04 THE ADMINISTRATION SAID LET'S
09/17/09 11:15:06 NOT PUT IT ON THE BALLOT.
09/17/09 11:15:09 I'M FINE WITH TAKING IT
09/17/09 11:15:12 OFF THE
09/17/09 11:15:12 BALLOT.
09/17/09 11:15:15 I WONDERS IF MR. MIRANDA WOULD
09/17/09 11:15:17 BE ALL RIGHT WITH DELETING
09/17/09 11:15:18 THAT.
09/17/09 11:15:20 >> Councilmember Miranda: LET
09/17/09 11:15:21 ME SAY THIS.
09/17/09 11:15:23 WE EXPERIENCED DROUGHT HERE
09/17/09 11:15:26 LIKE KANSAS EXPERIENCED
09/17/09 11:15:26 TORNADOES.
09/17/09 11:15:30 TEMPERATURES JUST ABOUT EVERY
09/17/09 11:15:30 YEAR.
09/17/09 11:15:32 FROM THE 15th OF JUNE BACK
09/17/09 11:15:35 THREE MONTHS INTO THE CALENDAR
09/17/09 11:15:38 YEAR, THIS AREA, OTHER
09/17/09 11:15:39 THAN
09/17/09 11:15:41 DURING THE EL NIÑO PERIOD, IS
09/17/09 11:15:42 DROUGHT.
09/17/09 11:15:43 WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THEM.
09/17/09 11:15:46 LET ME ALSO SAY THIS.
09/17/09 11:15:47 WHEN THE BIG RESERVOIR THAT WE
09/17/09 11:15:49 HAVE THAT'S BEING REPAIRED AND
09/17/09 11:15:52 WILL BE CLOSED DOWN --AND
09/17/09 11:15:55 THAT'S NOT
09/17/09 11:15:56 THE TAMPA RESERVOIR.
09/17/09 11:15:57 THAT'S THE BIG 16 BILLION-
09/17/09 11:15:59 GALLON RESERVOIR THAT WILL NOT
09/17/09 11:16:00 BE OPERATIONAL FOR SOME TIME IN
09/17/09 11:16:02 A COUPLE OF YEARS WHEN IT
09/17/09 11:16:03 STARTS TO GET REPAIRED.
09/17/09 11:16:06 WHO IS GOING TO GIVE US THE
09/17/09 11:16:07 WATER?
09/17/09 11:16:08 WHERE IS THE WATER COMING FROM?
09/17/09 11:16:10 NONE OF THOSE QUESTIONS HAVE
09/17/09 11:16:12 BEEN ANSWERED.
09/17/09 11:16:15 WHEN YOU LOOK AROUND
09/17/09 11:16:15 AND START
09/17/09 11:16:17 LOOKING, AND POLITICIANS WILL
09/17/09 11:16:19 RUN AWAY FROM A CONTROVERSIAL
09/17/09 11:16:20 ISSUE.
09/17/09 11:16:21 AND THIS IS A CONTROVERSIAL
09/17/09 11:16:21 ISSUE.
09/17/09 11:16:24 AND I'M WILLING TO TAKE THE
09/17/09 11:16:27 STAND ON BEHALF OF TECHNOLOGY,
09/17/09 11:16:30 ON BEHALF
09/17/09 11:16:33 OF WHAT HAS HAPPENED
09/17/09 11:16:34 IN THE SEWER AUTHORITY.
09/17/09 11:16:37 ON BEHALF OF ORANGE COUNTY.
09/17/09 11:16:40 ON BEHALF OF WEST PALM
09/17/09 11:16:42 BEAM,
09/17/09 11:16:43 ISRAEL, SOUTH AFRICA.
09/17/09 11:16:44 THE CONTINENT OF AUSTRALIA
09/17/09 11:16:46 WHERE THESE THINGS ARE GOING ON
09/17/09 11:16:47 NOW.
09/17/09 11:16:50 THE WATERS THAT PRODUCED OUT OF
09/17/09 11:16:53 THESE PLANTS IS ALMOST
09/17/09 11:16:53 LIKE THE
09/17/09 11:16:54 DISTILLED WATER.
09/17/09 11:16:56 IT'S SO GOOD YOU CAN'T DRINK
09/17/09 11:16:57 IT.
09/17/09 11:16:59 YOU HAVE TO MIX IT WITH JUNK TO
09/17/09 11:17:02 GO BACK IN THE RIVER PROCESSING
09/17/09 11:17:04 PLANT TO MAKE IT PALATABLE.
09/17/09 11:17:07 I CAN TELL YOU THIS.
09/17/09 11:17:10 WITHOUT WATER, YOU CAN FORGET
09/17/09 11:17:13 ABOUT THE LIGHT RAIL.
09/17/09 11:17:14 IT'S GOT AN ENORMOUS ECONOMIC
09/17/09 11:17:14 VALUE.
09/17/09 11:17:16 SO IF YOU WANT TO TAKE IT OFF
09/17/09 11:17:18 THE BALLOT, I'M NOT GOING TO
09/17/09 11:17:18 VOTE FOR IT.
09/17/09 11:17:21 THAT SHOULD BE ON THE BALLOT.
09/17/09 11:17:23 AND LET THE CITIZENS AND MORE
09/17/09 11:17:24 THAN ONE COUNCILMEMBER COULD
09/17/09 11:17:27 STAND UP AND FACE THE FACTS
09/17/09 11:17:30 THAT WE ARE IN A
09/17/09 11:17:31 VERY BAD
09/17/09 11:17:31 SITUATION.
09/17/09 11:17:33 IN FACT, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE
09/17/09 11:17:35 POPULATION GROWTH IN AMERICA
09/17/09 11:17:37 WHICH WOULD INCREASE IN THE
09/17/09 11:17:40 NEXT FOUR DECADES BY 120
09/17/09 11:17:43 MILLION THAT MEANS ONE
09/17/09 11:17:44 CHILD IS
09/17/09 11:17:45 BORN EVERY 11 SECONDS.
09/17/09 11:17:46 THAT MEANS THAT THE WATER IS
09/17/09 11:17:49 GOING TO BE NEEDED TO FEED THE
09/17/09 11:17:52 POPULATION NEEDS FOR
09/17/09 11:17:53 WATER.
09/17/09 11:17:54 WHERE ARE WE GOING?
09/17/09 11:17:57 I CAN'T TELL A REALTOR TO BUILD
09/17/09 11:17:58 A LOT.
09/17/09 11:17:59 THERE'S NO SAND.
09/17/09 11:18:00 THERE'S NO NEW WATER.
09/17/09 11:18:02 THESE ARE THE THINGS I LOOK
09/17/09 11:18:03 FORWARD TO PRESENTING TO THE
09/17/09 11:18:06 PUBLIC AND LET THE PUBLIC MAKE
09/17/09 11:18:06 THE DECISION.
09/17/09 11:18:08 >> I GATHER THAT YOU WANT TO
09/17/09 11:18:10 KEEP IT ON THE AGENDA?
09/17/09 11:18:13 >> WILL YOU PROMISE NOT TO
09/17/09 11:18:16 REPEAT THAT SPEECH
09/17/09 11:18:18 AGAIN?
09/17/09 11:18:20 >> I'VE GOT A LONGER ONE.
09/17/09 11:18:23 >> WE SHOULD
09/17/09 11:18:24 DO OUR RULES OF
09/17/09 11:18:25 TIME LIMITS.
09/17/09 11:18:28 >> I'M NOT THROUGH WITH MY NEW
09/17/09 11:18:29 BUSINESS.
09/17/09 11:18:32 >> I WANTED TO ADDRESS THAT.
09/17/09 11:18:35 >>
09/17/09 11:18:38 LET HER FINISH THAT.
09/17/09 11:18:39 >> FINISH THIS.
09/17/09 11:18:41 >> I DON'T THINK I WAS PRIVY TO
09/17/09 11:18:42 THE MAYOR OR THE
09/17/09 11:18:43 ADMINISTRATION'S POSITION ON
09/17/09 11:18:44 THIS.
09/17/09 11:18:45 DID YOU SAID THEY TOOK A
09/17/09 11:18:46 POSITION ON IT.
09/17/09 11:18:47 >> Councilmember Saul-Sena: I
09/17/09 11:18:50 READ IT
09/17/09 11:18:52 IN THE PAPER IN AN
09/17/09 11:18:53 EDITORIAL.
09/17/09 11:18:55 >> I'VE NEVER BEEN IN FAVOR OF
09/17/09 11:18:57 PUTTING THIS ON THE BALLOT.
09/17/09 11:19:00 I THINK I VOTED AGAINST IT IF
09/17/09 11:19:02 IN FACT WE HAD A VOTE.
09/17/09 11:19:03 SO I THINK IF THE
09/17/09 11:19:06 ADMINISTRATION IS AGAINST IT.
09/17/09 11:19:07 THERE'S A GOOD REASON FOR IT.
09/17/09 11:19:08 MAYBE WE SHOULD HEAR FROM THE
09/17/09 11:19:09 ADMINISTRATION ON THE SUBJECT
09/17/09 11:19:12 AND SEE WHAT OR IF THEY HAVE A
09/17/09 11:19:15 POSITION ON IT AS
09/17/09 11:19:15 OPPOSED TO
09/17/09 11:19:17 RELYING ON HEARSAY FROM YOU OR
09/17/09 11:19:20 ANYBODY ELSE AND GET A MORE
09/17/09 11:19:21 INFORMED OPINION.
09/17/09 11:19:22 SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE
09/17/09 11:19:24 JUST ASK THE ADMINISTRATION TO
09/17/09 11:19:27 COME AND BRIEF US
09/17/09 11:19:28 ON THEIR
09/17/09 11:19:28 POSITION ON THIS ISSUE.
09/17/09 11:19:31 >> I SECOND THAT AND
09/17/09 11:19:33 MAY I SAY
09/17/09 11:19:34 ONE THING.
09/17/09 11:19:37 THAT EDITORIAL NEVER SAID IT
09/17/09 11:19:40 WAS AGAINST
09/17/09 11:19:40 IT.
09/17/09 11:19:41 IT SAID THIS, THEY INTERVIEWED
09/17/09 11:19:43 ME AND THE MAYOR.
09/17/09 11:19:45 THE MAYOR SAID IT WILL GET
09/17/09 11:19:46 CONFUSING AND CHARLIE IS GOING
09/17/09 11:19:49 TO HAVE TO EXPLAIN THE
09/17/09 11:19:51 COST OF
09/17/09 11:19:52 THIS PROCESS.
09/17/09 11:19:53 THAT WAS THE EDITORIAL.
09/17/09 11:19:55 AND IF I SAY THAT, THEN ARE WE
09/17/09 11:19:58 GOING TO HAVE TO EXPLAIN
09/17/09 11:19:59 THE
09/17/09 11:20:03 COST OF LIGHT
09/17/09 11:20:03 RAIL?
09/17/09 11:20:05 >> YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT.
09/17/09 11:20:05 THAT'S RIGHT.
09/17/09 11:20:06 >> Councilmember Miranda:
09/17/09 11:20:07 THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.
09/17/09 11:20:09 TOM AND I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM
09/17/09 11:20:11 WITH THE MAYOR COMING.
09/17/09 11:20:12 BUT PLEASE UNDERSTAND SOMETHING
09/17/09 11:20:12 NOW.
09/17/09 11:20:15 EVERY TIME WE MAKE A DECISION,
09/17/09 11:20:18 WE NEED TO HAVE
09/17/09 11:20:19 THE
09/17/09 11:20:20 ADMINISTRATION COME?
09/17/09 11:20:21 >> THEY MIGHT HAVE TECHNICAL
09/17/09 11:20:23 INFORMATION RELATED TO THIS.
09/17/09 11:20:25 THIS IS A HIGHLY TECHNICAL
09/17/09 11:20:27 ISSUE, A HIGHLY FINANCIAL ISSUE
09/17/09 11:20:29 AS CHARLIE JUST INDICATED.
09/17/09 11:20:33 THERE'S A LOT OF
09/17/09 11:20:35 FACTORS THAT
09/17/09 11:20:36 NEED EVALUATING.
09/17/09 11:20:38 LIKE I SAY, PEOPLE RELY ON US
09/17/09 11:20:39 TO PUT INTELLIGENT THINGS ON
09/17/09 11:20:41 THE BALLOT THAT HAVE BEEN WELL
09/17/09 11:20:43 THOUGHT OUT AND WELL
09/17/09 11:20:44 FORMULATED.
09/17/09 11:20:45 I THINK THIS DISCUSSION HAS HAD
09/17/09 11:20:49 ABOUT A HALF HOUR OF
09/17/09 11:20:49 DISCUSSION.
09/17/09 11:20:50 WE NEVER EVEN WORKSHOPPED IT.
09/17/09 11:20:52 BUT SOMEHOW OR OTHER IT GOT A
09/17/09 11:20:53 LIFE OF ITS OWN.
09/17/09 11:20:55 I THINK WE SHOULD SLOW DOWN AND
09/17/09 11:20:59 HAVE A TECH REPORT AND A
09/17/09 11:21:02 FINANCIAL REPORT
09/17/09 11:21:04 FROM THE
09/17/09 11:21:04 ADMINISTRATION.
09/17/09 11:21:05 >> Councilmember Miranda: I
09/17/09 11:21:06 HAPPENED TO BE AT THE RIGHT
09/17/09 11:21:09 PLACE AT THE RIGHT TIME AND I
09/17/09 11:21:12 WAS ONE
09/17/09 11:21:15 OF THE FORWARD PUSHERS
09/17/09 11:21:18 FOR RECLAIM.
09/17/09 11:21:21 20% OF THE POPULATION TO $400
09/17/09 11:21:22 MILLION.
09/17/09 11:21:23 100% OF THE CITIZENS POSSIBLY
09/17/09 11:21:25 GETTING WATER SUPPLY OF 23
09/17/09 11:21:27 MILLION GALLONS A DAY IS GOING
09/17/09 11:21:29 TO COST YOU ABOUT $200 MILLION.
09/17/09 11:21:31 THAT'S THE REAL COST OF THIS
09/17/09 11:21:32 PROPOSAL.
09/17/09 11:21:33 AND I'M WILLING TO DISCUSS IT
09/17/09 11:21:35 WITH ANY ELECTED OFFICIAL
09/17/09 11:21:38 ANYWHERE IN THE COUNTRY,
09/17/09 11:21:39 INCLUDING THIS BODY.
09/17/09 11:21:40 THANK YOU AGAIN, MR. CHAIRMAN.
09/17/09 11:21:43 >> Chairman Scott: THERE'S A
09/17/09 11:21:46 MOTION TO ASK THE
09/17/09 11:21:47 MAYOR AND
09/17/09 11:21:48 ADMINISTRATION --[ OVERLAPPING
09/17/09 11:21:49 SPEAKERS ]
09/17/09 11:21:50 >> Chairman Scott: WHEN DO YOU
09/17/09 11:21:53 WANT THEM TO APPEAR?
09/17/09 11:21:56 >> 30 DAYS WOULD BE FINE.
09/17/09 11:21:58 >> IT'S ON THE AGENDA FOR 24th.
09/17/09 11:22:01 >> SO THEY WOULD APPEAR
09/17/09 11:22:02 IN
09/17/09 11:22:05 CONJUNCTION WITH THAT AGENDA
09/17/09 11:22:05 ITEM.
09/17/09 11:22:06 >> Chairman Scott: SO REMOVE
09/17/09 11:22:07 THE MOTIONS.
09/17/09 11:22:08 >> IT'S ON THERE FOR THE 24th.
09/17/09 11:22:09 [ OVERLAPPING SPEAKERS ]
09/17/09 11:22:12 >> WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THEY
09/17/09 11:22:13 APPEAR.
09/17/09 11:22:15 >> MOVED AND SECOND, ALL IN
09/17/09 11:22:18 FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING
09/17/09 11:22:19 AYE.
09/17/09 11:22:21 >> I HAVE TWO MORE QUICK
09/17/09 11:22:22 THINGS.
09/17/09 11:22:23 TOMORROW IS PARKING DAY
09/17/09 11:22:24 DOWNTOWN.
09/17/09 11:22:25 A VERY CREATIVE TAKING PARKING
09/17/09 11:22:28 SPACES ON THE STREET AND MAKING
09/17/09 11:22:30 THEM INTO MINIPARKS.
09/17/09 11:22:33 IT'S A WAY OF SHOWING MORE
09/17/09 11:22:35 GREEN SPACE, MORE PEDESTRIANS,
09/17/09 11:22:38 AND FEWER CARS DOWNTOWN.
09/17/09 11:22:41 AND I'M
09/17/09 11:22:44 PASSING
09/17/09 11:22:47 OUT AN
09/17/09 11:22:50 ARTICLE
09/17/09 11:22:53 ABOUT CURFEW WHICH IS THE
09/17/09 11:22:55 NEMATODE KILLER THAT WAS GOING
09/17/09 11:22:58 TO BE PUT ON THE GOLF
09/17/09 11:22:59 COURSE
09/17/09 11:23:01 UNTIL DOW DECIDED TO PULL IT.
09/17/09 11:23:02 NOT BECAUSE THE SPORTS
09/17/09 11:23:05 AUTHORITY PAID ANY ATTENTION TO
09/17/09 11:23:07 THE CITY'S REQUEST THAT THEY
09/17/09 11:23:08 NOT USE IT.
09/17/09 11:23:11 I'D LIKE TO ASK
09/17/09 11:23:12 THAT THE CITY
09/17/09 11:23:15 ATTORNEY'S OFFICE LOOK
09/17/09 11:23:17 AT
09/17/09 11:23:20 WHETHER COUNCIL WOULD HAVE THE
09/17/09 11:23:23 ABILITY TO
09/17/09 11:23:26 OUTLAW THIS
09/17/09 11:23:27 FUNGICIDE IN THE CITY.
09/17/09 11:23:30 AND REPORT BACK IN 60 DAYS
09/17/09 11:23:31 UNDER STAFF REPORTS, APPEAR AND
09/17/09 11:23:32 REPORT.
09/17/09 11:23:35 AND I'LL
09/17/09 11:23:38 GIVE YOU A
09/17/09 11:23:41 COPY OF
09/17/09 11:23:42 THIS.
09/17/09 11:23:42 >> MOTION.
09/17/09 11:23:43 >> SECOND.
09/17/09 11:23:45 >> Chairman Scott: ALL IN
09/17/09 11:23:45 FAVOR.
09/17/09 11:23:47 >> ANYTHING ELSE?
09/17/09 11:23:50 >> DID
09/17/09 11:23:53 YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE
09/17/09 11:23:53 COUNCILMAN CAETANO.
09/17/09 11:23:55 >> Chairman Scott: ONE IS
09/17/09 11:23:58 RECOGNIZING 100 YEARS OF THE
09/17/09 11:23:58 DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM.
09/17/09 11:24:01 OCTOBER 1ST COUNCIL MEETING.
09/17/09 11:24:04 >> A MOTION AND
09/17/09 11:24:05 A SECOND.
09/17/09 11:24:07 >> SECONDLY, THE TRANSPORTATION
09/17/09 11:24:09 TASK FORCE HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY.
09/17/09 11:24:12 WE'VE BEEN
09/17/09 11:24:13 WORKING ON THE
09/17/09 11:24:14 EXECUTIVE SUMMARY AND
09/17/09 11:24:15 RECOMMENDATIONS.
09/17/09 11:24:16 THAT GOES TO THE COMMISSION IN
09/17/09 11:24:17 OCTOBER.
09/17/09 11:24:19 I'D LIKE TO HAVE A PRESENTATION
09/17/09 11:24:21 HERE AND A RESOLUTION BY THIS
09/17/09 11:24:23 COUNCIL ENDORSING THAT ONCE WE
09/17/09 11:24:24 GET THE FULL REPORT.
09/17/09 11:24:25 >> SECOND.
09/17/09 11:24:28 >> WE
09/17/09 11:24:31 HAVE A
09/17/09 11:24:32 MOTION AND A
09/17/09 11:24:33 SECOND.
09/17/09 11:24:33 >>
09/17/09 11:24:34 >> Chairman Scott: ANYTHING
09/17/09 11:24:35 ELSE --ITEM 59?
09/17/09 11:24:38 THERE'S ONE OTHER
09/17/09 11:24:41 ITEM
09/17/09 11:24:43 AND I
09/17/09 11:24:44 WAS RIGHT.
09/17/09 11:24:45 ITEM 59.
09/17/09 11:24:49 >>
09/17/09 11:24:50 GOOD MORNING.
09/17/09 11:24:50 MANAGER OF YBOR CITY
09/17/09 11:24:53 DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION.
09/17/09 11:24:56 >> THE QUESTION IS GIVEN
09/17/09 11:24:57 THAT
09/17/09 11:25:00 WE HAVE LIMITED FUNDS WHY ARE
09/17/09 11:25:01 WE CONSIDERING SPENDING ALL
09/17/09 11:25:04 THIS MONEY ON HIRING SOMEONE TO
09/17/09 11:25:06 ADMINISTER THE PROGRAM RATHER
09/17/09 11:25:08 THAN ADMINISTER IT WITH OUR OWN
09/17/09 11:25:10 STAFF WHICH MEANS MORE MONEY
09/17/09 11:25:13 COULD GO TO FACADES AND LESS
09/17/09 11:25:14 MONEY TO ADMINISTRATION.
09/17/09 11:25:17 >> WHEN WE HAD THE CRA
09/17/09 11:25:18 MEETING,
09/17/09 11:25:20 PART OF THAT WAS ADDRESSED.
09/17/09 11:25:23 >> IT WAS ADDRESSED THEN.
09/17/09 11:25:24 >> COULD YOU READDRESS IT?
09/17/09 11:25:27 >> AS FAR AS STAFF AND
09/17/09 11:25:30 CAPABILITIES, WE LOOKED AT
09/17/09 11:25:32 STAFF DOING THIS.
09/17/09 11:25:35 WE NEEDED STAFF PROFICIENT IN
09/17/09 11:25:37 DOING GRANT REVIEW AND LOANS.
09/17/09 11:25:39 COUPLING OUR MONEY WITH A LOAN
09/17/09 11:25:40 THAT A PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER
09/17/09 11:25:43 IS GOING TO TAKE UP.
09/17/09 11:25:45 WE ALSO NEEDED STAFF THAT COULD
09/17/09 11:25:48 DO AFTER IT WAS APPROVED TO DO
09/17/09 11:25:51 THE
09/17/09 11:25:51 CONSTRUCTION REVEAL.
09/17/09 11:25:53 ARE THEY ON TRACK?
09/17/09 11:25:54 WORKING WITH BUILDING
09/17/09 11:25:55 DEPARTMENTS.
09/17/09 11:25:58 WHEN WE LOOKED AT THAT WE
09/17/09 11:26:00 LOOKED AT HOUSING DEVELOPMENT
09/17/09 11:26:03 AND THE CONSTRUCTION SERVICES
09/17/09 11:26:03 CENTER.
09/17/09 11:26:05 AND THEN WE'RE NOT ABLE TO
09/17/09 11:26:08 IDENTIFY ANY STAFF THAT COULD
09/17/09 11:26:09 BE ASSIGNEDDED TO ADDITIONAL
09/17/09 11:26:12 DUTIES OR HAVE THOSE TWO
09/17/09 11:26:12 QUALITIES.
09/17/09 11:26:14 WE LOOKED AT OUTSOURCING IT.
09/17/09 11:26:17 WE DID THE RP TO SEE WHAT KIND
09/17/09 11:26:18 OF RESPONSE.
09/17/09 11:26:20 AND WHAT IS RECOMMENDED TODAY
09/17/09 11:26:21 IS NEIGHBORHOOD LENDING
09/17/09 11:26:22 PARTNERS WHICH DOES HAVE
09/17/09 11:26:25 BACKGROUND, IS A LOCAL FIRM AND
09/17/09 11:26:26 HAS BACKGROUND IN CONSTRUCTION
09/17/09 11:26:27 AND ADMINISTRATION AS WELL AS
09/17/09 11:26:30 DOING FINANCING WITH BANKS AND
09/17/09 11:26:32 ASSISTING PROPERTY OWNERS IN
09/17/09 11:26:32 DOING THAT.
09/17/09 11:26:34 WE THOUGHT WE HAD SOMEONE WITH
09/17/09 11:26:37 THE SKILL SETS TO PERFORM THAT
09/17/09 11:26:38 FUNCTION.
09/17/09 11:26:40 WHEN WE LOOKED AT THAT AND ONE
09/17/09 11:26:43 OF OCTOBER 28th AND MIKE IS OUT
09/17/09 11:26:46 BY THE WAY.
09/17/09 11:26:49 HE'S BEEN LEADING THE PROJECT.
09/17/09 11:26:51 BUT YOU LOOKED AT THAT AS FAR
09/17/09 11:26:54 AS --WE'VE SET ASIDE MONEY
09/17/09 11:26:56 WHEN YOU DID THE ALLOCATIONS.
09/17/09 11:26:59 WE HAVE THE JUST OVER A MILLION
09/17/09 11:27:01 DOLLARS POTENTIALLY.
09/17/09 11:27:03 JOHNSON HAS THE MOST AT
09/17/09 11:27:04 $800,000.
09/17/09 11:27:05 ONLY ABOUT 10% OF THAT TOWARDS
09/17/09 11:27:06 ADMINISTRATION.
09/17/09 11:27:08 WHEN I WAS ASKED HOW MUCH CAN
09/17/09 11:27:09 WE ALLOCATE TOWARDS
09/17/09 11:27:11 ADMINISTRATION, THE QUESTION IS
09/17/09 11:27:12 WE DON'T KNOW.
09/17/09 11:27:15 WE DON'T KNOW HOW MANY LOANS
09/17/09 11:27:17 WE'RE GOING TO PROCESS.
09/17/09 11:27:20 $350 TO REVIEW AN APPLICATION.
09/17/09 11:27:23 THEY'LL BE PAID $150 TO DO AN
09/17/09 11:27:24 INSPECTION.
09/17/09 11:27:25 AND WITH THIS NEW TERRITORY FOR
09/17/09 11:27:28 US AND DOING THAT, WE TRY
09/17/09 11:27:31 TO
09/17/09 11:27:33 COME UP WITH AN UPSET LIMIT.
09/17/09 11:27:36 WE'RE DEFINITELY GOING TO
09/17/09 11:27:38 PAY
09/17/09 11:27:39 AS WE GO.
09/17/09 11:27:42 I'LL PAY
09/17/09 11:27:44 MY FAIR SHARE FOR
09/17/09 11:27:45 DOING THAT.
09/17/09 11:27:46 >> THANK YOU.
09/17/09 11:27:48 >> AND THE REASON I DIDN'T NEED
09/17/09 11:27:49 YOU TO COME HERE IS BECAUSE I
09/17/09 11:27:51 HEARD ALL THIS BEFORE AND I
09/17/09 11:27:52 DISAGREE WITH IT.
09/17/09 11:27:54 WE HAVE AN ADMINISTRATIVE
09/17/09 11:27:54 STAFF.
09/17/09 11:27:56 WE'RE THE CITY AND WE HAVE ALL
09/17/09 11:27:59 THESE STAFF THAT
09/17/09 11:28:01 WE'RE PAYING.
09/17/09 11:28:03 AND I THINK IT'S A PROBLEM.
09/17/09 11:28:06 FOR THE CITY ADMINISTRATION.
09/17/09 11:28:09 IF WE DON'T HAVE GRANT READING
09/17/09 11:28:11 STAFF THAT CAN HANDLE THESE.
09/17/09 11:28:13 MAYBE WE'RE GOING TO GET A
09/17/09 11:28:14 FLOOD OF APPLICATIONS, AND
09/17/09 11:28:16 CONSTRUCTION AND PERMITTING IS
09/17/09 11:28:17 SO SLOW.
09/17/09 11:28:20 I'M SURE THAT THEY
09/17/09 11:28:20 CAN HANDLE
09/17/09 11:28:21 THIS.
09/17/09 11:28:24 TO ME,
09/17/09 11:28:25 PHILOSOPHICALLY, AT THIS
09/17/09 11:28:27 PARTICULAR TIME TIF MONEY SPENT
09/17/09 11:28:30 NOT ON WHAT THE NEIGHBORHOODS
09/17/09 11:28:31 WANT.
09/17/09 11:28:34 NOT ON MORE STAFF AND
09/17/09 11:28:35 CONSULTANTS.
09/17/09 11:28:36 I JUST APPRECIATE YOUR COMING
09/17/09 11:28:38 AND I DON'T REMEMBER HOW I
09/17/09 11:28:39 VOTED IN THE CRA.
09/17/09 11:28:42 BUT I WAS NOT IN
09/17/09 11:28:44 FAVOR OF IT.
09/17/09 11:28:45 THANKS.
09/17/09 11:28:48 >> Chairman Scott: MOTION
09/17/09 11:28:49 FOR
09/17/09 11:28:49 THIS TO CONTINUE?
09/17/09 11:28:50 [ INDISCERNIBLE ]
09/17/09 11:28:51 >> Chairman Scott: A SECOND?
09/17/09 11:28:54 MOVE AND A SECOND ALL
09/17/09 11:28:55 IN FAVOR
09/17/09 11:28:56 SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
09/17/09 11:29:00 >> WE HAVE A TIE
09/17/09 11:29:01 VOTE.
09/17/09 11:29:01 OKAY.
09/17/09 11:29:04 SO WE'LL HAVE TO COME BACK,
09/17/09 11:29:04 RIGHT?
09/17/09 11:29:05 OKAY OCTOBER 1ST.
09/17/09 11:29:08 >> WE COULD COME BACK AT 1:30
09/17/09 11:29:11 IF MR. MIRANDA WERE
09/17/09 11:29:12 HERE.
09/17/09 11:29:15 >> THE MOTION DID NOT
09/17/09 11:29:16 PASS WITH
09/17/09 11:29:17 MULHERN AND DINGFELDER VOTING
09/17/09 11:29:20 NO.
09/17/09 11:29:26 IF A MOTION TO APPROVE FAILS TO
09/17/09 11:29:29 RECEIVE
09/17/09 11:29:32 FOUR VOTES IN
09/17/09 11:29:34 SUPPORT
09/17/09 11:29:36 OR OPPOSITION, IT SHALL BE
09/17/09 11:29:39 BROUGHT BACK AS NEW BUSINESS.
09/17/09 11:29:41 >> TWO WEEKS FROM NOW.
09/17/09 11:29:42 >> NEXT MEETING IS OCTOBER 1ST.
09/17/09 11:29:45 >> THAT WOULD BE TOO LATE?
09/17/09 11:29:45 >> NO.
09/17/09 11:29:48 >> WE HAVE PEOPLE --I'VE GOT
09/17/09 11:29:49 TWO OR THREE PROJECTS JUST
09/17/09 11:29:51 WAITING TO GET STARTED.
09/17/09 11:29:54 THEY WANT THIS TO
09/17/09 11:29:57 HELP
09/17/09 11:30:00 THEM
09/17/09 11:30:03 FINANCE THE
09/17/09 11:30:04 PROJECTS.
09/17/09 11:30:04 FOR YBOR.
09/17/09 11:30:05 ADDITIONAL POINTS FOR RETAIL
09/17/09 11:30:06 CONVERSION, RETAIL USE KIND OF
09/17/09 11:30:07 THINGS.
09/17/09 11:30:10 IT'S GOING TO HOLD UP
09/17/09 11:30:10 SOME
09/17/09 11:30:11 PROJECTS.
09/17/09 11:30:11 >>
09/17/09 11:30:13 >> Chairman Scott: THIS CAME
09/17/09 11:30:14 FROM THE YBOR ADVISORY --
09/17/09 11:30:17 >> EVERY ONE OF THE
09/17/09 11:30:18 ADVISORY
09/17/09 11:30:19 COMMITTEES.
09/17/09 11:30:20 >> Chairman Scott: WE STAND IN
09/17/09 11:30:21 RECESS UNTIL 1:30.
09/17/09 11:30:24 THANK YOU.
09/17/09 13:33:43 MILLER.
09/17/09 13:33:44 >> HERE.
09/17/09 13:33:44 MIRANDA.
09/17/09 13:33:46 >> HERE.
09/17/09 13:33:47 >> MULHERN.
09/17/09 13:33:50 >> HERE.
09/17/09 13:33:50 SCOTT.
09/17/09 13:33:50 >> HERE.
09/17/09 13:33:52 >> MR. CHAIRMAN.
09/17/09 13:33:52 >> YES.
09/17/09 13:33:53 RECALLING ITEM 46, YOU WERE
09/17/09 13:33:56 WAITING FOR THE RESOLUTION TO
09/17/09 13:33:59 BE
09/17/09 13:34:02 PREPARED FOR --MY
09/17/09 13:34:02 UNDERSTANDING
09/17/09 13:34:04 IS THE CLERK DOES HAVE IT.
09/17/09 13:34:07 >> ITEM 46?
09/17/09 13:34:07 >> YEAH.
09/17/09 13:34:08 PERMISSION TO USE THE SEAL.
09/17/09 13:34:09 >> THE RESOLUTION.
09/17/09 13:34:12 >> ALL IN FAVOR SIGNAL BY
09/17/09 13:34:13 SAYING
09/17/09 13:34:13 I.
09/17/09 13:34:14 >> I.
09/17/09 13:34:14 >> OPPOSES.
09/17/09 13:34:16 >> DO YOU WISH TO TAKE UP
09/17/09 13:34:18 CLEANUP AND GET THOSE ITEMS OUT
09/17/09 13:34:21 OF THE
09/17/09 13:34:23 WAY FIRST?
09/17/09 13:34:26 >>
09/17/09 13:34:27 OKAY.
09/17/09 13:34:29 >> WHAT DO I NEED TO ADDRESS?
09/17/09 13:34:31 >> MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT
09/17/09 13:34:31 ITEM
09/17/09 13:34:33 94 CANNOT BE HEARD, NO
09/17/09 13:34:35 AFFIDAVIT
09/17/09 13:34:36 WAS FILED, THE AMENDMENT WAS
09/17/09 13:34:36 PAID.
09/17/09 13:34:38 THERE IS A RESOLUTION RESETTING
09/17/09 13:34:41 THE PUBLIC HEARING, IS
09/17/09 13:34:42 THAT
09/17/09 13:34:42 CORRECT?
09/17/09 13:34:42 OKAY.
09/17/09 13:34:44 SO IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO
09/17/09 13:34:46 MOVE THAT RESOLUTION SETTING
09/17/09 13:34:46 FOR
09/17/09 13:34:48 PUBLIC HEARING NOVEMBER 5th,
09/17/09 13:34:51 2009, AT
09/17/09 13:34:52 1:30.
09/17/09 13:34:53 >> MOVE.
09/17/09 13:34:53 >> SECOND.
09/17/09 13:34:56 >> ALL IN FAVOR SAY I.
09/17/09 13:34:57 >> I.
09/17/09 13:34:57 >> OPPOSES.
09/17/09 13:35:00 >> ITEM 98 IS A CASE FOR
09/17/09 13:35:01 ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE THAT CANNOT
09/17/09 13:35:01 BE HEARD.
09/17/09 13:35:03 NO AFFIDAVIT IS FILED.
09/17/09 13:35:05 THAT WILL HAVE TO BE
09/17/09 13:35:05 RESCHEDULED
09/17/09 13:35:06 AND IF IT CAN BE REMOVED FROM
09/17/09 13:35:08 THE AGENDA, PLEASE.
09/17/09 13:35:11 >> MAKE MOTION TO
09/17/09 13:35:12 MOVE.
09/17/09 13:35:12 >> SECOND.
09/17/09 13:35:14 >> ALL IN FAVOR SIGNAL BY
09/17/09 13:35:14 SAYING
09/17/09 13:35:14 I.
09/17/09 13:35:15 >> I.
09/17/09 13:35:17 >> OPPOSED.
09/17/09 13:35:19 >> ITEM 100 IS A SITUATION FOR
09/17/09 13:35:21 AN APPEAL HEARING, THE APPEAL
09/17/09 13:35:22 CANNOT BE HEARD, THE NOTICE AND
09/17/09 13:35:25 RECORD WERE NOT PERFECTED
09/17/09 13:35:26 BY
09/17/09 13:35:27 THE
09/17/09 13:35:27 APPELLANT.
09/17/09 13:35:28 THEY WILL HAVE ANOTHER
09/17/09 13:35:30 OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT --A
09/17/09 13:35:31 SECOND AND FINAL OPPORTUNITY,
09/17/09 13:35:31 SO
09/17/09 13:35:32 IF THAT COULD BE REMOVED
09/17/09 13:35:33 PLEASE,
09/17/09 13:35:35 SO IT CAN BE RESCHEDULED.
09/17/09 13:35:38 >> MOVE TO REMOVE
09/17/09 13:35:39 ITEM 100.
09/17/09 13:35:41 >> I MOVE.
09/17/09 13:35:42 >> SECOND.
09/17/09 13:35:43 >> I.
09/17/09 13:35:45 >> 101 CANNOT BE HEARD, THE
09/17/09 13:35:46 NOTICE AND RECORD HAVE NOT BEEN
09/17/09 13:35:47 PERFECTED BY THE APPELLANT.
09/17/09 13:35:50 YOU HAVE A MEMORANDUM FROM
09/17/09 13:35:52 ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY REBECCA
09/17/09 13:35:53 KERT REGARDING THE TRANSMISSION
09/17/09 13:35:55 OF HER LETTER TO THE CITY
09/17/09 13:35:56 ATTORNEY WHO I UNDERSTAND IS
09/17/09 13:35:56 HERE TODAY.
09/17/09 13:35:59 DID YOU WANT TO ADDRESS THIS,
09/17/09 13:35:59 MS. KERT?
09/17/09 13:36:00 >> REBECCA KURT.
09/17/09 13:36:03 I JUST WANTED TO CALL THE
09/17/09 13:36:03 COUNCIL'S ATTENTION THAT
09/17/09 13:36:06 PURSUANT TO YOUR CODE, FAILURE
09/17/09 13:36:09 TO PERFECT NOTICE FOR THE
09/17/09 13:36:10 SECOND
09/17/09 13:36:11 HEARING TWICE IN A ROW RESULTS
09/17/09 13:36:13 IN THE FACT THAT THE HEARING
09/17/09 13:36:15 SHALL BE DENIED, IT'S
09/17/09 13:36:15 MANDATORY.
09/17/09 13:36:17 BUT THE ATTORNEY FOR THE
09/17/09 13:36:18 APPLICANT IS PRESENT AND WOULD
09/17/09 13:36:21 LIKE TO TALK
09/17/09 13:36:24 TO YOU.
09/17/09 13:36:30 >> GOOD AFTERNOON, LADIES
09/17/09 13:36:30 AND
09/17/09 13:36:30 GENTLEMEN.
09/17/09 13:36:33 IF I MAY BE HEARD ON THE
09/17/09 13:36:33 MATTER?
09/17/09 13:36:33 IS.
09/17/09 13:36:33 >> YES.
09/17/09 13:36:33 GO AHEAD.
09/17/09 13:36:36 >> THANK YOU.
09/17/09 13:36:38 MS. KERT IS CORRECT,
09/17/09 13:36:39 SUBSTANTIALLY I WOULD ARGUE
09/17/09 13:36:40 THAT
09/17/09 13:36:41 THE FIRST CONTINUANCE GRANNED
09/17/09 13:36:42 TO
09/17/09 13:36:45 ME WAS AS A --GRANTED TO ME AS
09/17/09 13:36:47 A COURTESY FROM MS. KERT TO
09/17/09 13:36:47 MYSELF.
09/17/09 13:36:48 I WOULD NOT HAVE HAD THE
09/17/09 13:36:51 OPPORTUNITY AT THAT POINT TO BE
09/17/09 13:36:54 PREPARED, AND I DID NOT
09/17/09 13:36:54 REALIZE
09/17/09 13:36:56 THAT I'D BE BROUGHT UP AS
09/17/09 13:36:57 QUICKLY AS I HAVE BEEN.
09/17/09 13:36:59 I KNOW YOU ARE GOING TO ARGUE
09/17/09 13:37:01 YOU WERE HEARD JULY 16th AND
09/17/09 13:37:02 MS. KERT WAS HERE WITH ME.
09/17/09 13:37:04 I WAS RECOVER FRG A RATHER
09/17/09 13:37:05 SIGNIFICANT MEDICAL LEAVE.
09/17/09 13:37:06 I HAVE BEEN CATCHING UP ON
09/17/09 13:37:08 MATTERS THAT I HAVE TO CATCH UP
09/17/09 13:37:11 ON, BUT I WOULD ARGUE
09/17/09 13:37:12 THAT THIS
09/17/09 13:37:14 IS TRULY A FIRST SUBSTANTIVE
09/17/09 13:37:15 REQUEST FOR A CONTINUANCE IN
09/17/09 13:37:17 LIGHT OF THE FACT THAT I COULD
09/17/09 13:37:19 NOT APPEAR LAST TIME AROUND.
09/17/09 13:37:22 WE ARE SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLETE
09/17/09 13:37:22 IN
09/17/09 13:37:23 PREPARING THAT WHICH YOU WOULD
09/17/09 13:37:26 NEED TO SEE BEFORE BEING ABLE
09/17/09 13:37:26 TO
09/17/09 13:37:29 RULE ON
09/17/09 13:37:31 THIS APPEAL.
09/17/09 13:37:34 THE ERROR IS PROCEDURAL, AND
09/17/09 13:37:35 WE
09/17/09 13:37:36 ARE IN SUBSTANTIAL COMPLIANCE
09/17/09 13:37:37 WITH VARIOUS PORTIONS OF THE
09/17/09 13:37:38 NOTICE REQUIREMENT.
09/17/09 13:37:40 HOWEVER, WE'VE JUST RECENTLY
09/17/09 13:37:43 RECEIVED THE DVD COPY OF
09/17/09 13:37:43 THE
09/17/09 13:37:45 PROCEEDINGS TO WHICH YOU'RE
09/17/09 13:37:47 ENTITLED TO HAVE BOTH A WRITTEN
09/17/09 13:37:48 TRANSCRIPT AND A COPY, AND THAT
09/17/09 13:37:50 IS IS NOT IN YOUR FILES SIMPLY
09/17/09 13:37:51 BECAUSE IT'S NOT IN MINE YET.
09/17/09 13:37:53 I WOULD ARGUE THAT THESE ARE
09/17/09 13:37:56 RATHER EXTRAORDINARY
09/17/09 13:37:57 CIRCUMSTANCES AND MY NABLT TO
09/17/09 13:37:59 HAVE BEEN HERE THE FIRST TIME
09/17/09 13:38:01 AROUND, JULY 16th, BUT THIS
09/17/09 13:38:03 APPEARANCE HERE TODAY IS
09/17/09 13:38:04 SUBSTANTIALLY MY FIRST
09/17/09 13:38:05 APPEARANCE AND MY REQUEST THAT
09/17/09 13:38:08 THE MATTER BE MOVED.
09/17/09 13:38:09 HAD I KNOWN THAT I WOULD HAVE
09/17/09 13:38:11 BEEN UP HERE IN SEPTEMBER, I
09/17/09 13:38:14 WOULD HAVE ASKED MS. KERT TO
09/17/09 13:38:17 HAVING THIS MATTER PUT UP FOR
09/17/09 13:38:18 OCTOBER OR NOVEMBER AND I'VE
09/17/09 13:38:20 HEARD A NOVEMBER DATE, AND I
09/17/09 13:38:21 WOULD RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT
09/17/09 13:38:24 THE MATTER NOT BE DENIED
09/17/09 13:38:26 AND
09/17/09 13:38:27 THEREBY HURT MY CLIENT'S RIGHT
09/17/09 13:38:31 TO HAVE WHAT IS
09/17/09 13:38:32 A SUBSTANTIALLY
09/17/09 13:38:33 IMPORTANT CASE WITH RESPECT TO
09/17/09 13:38:36 PUBLIC POLICY IN THE AREA OF
09/17/09 13:38:38 YBOR CITY RULED BON BY THE
09/17/09 13:38:41 HONORABLE --RULED UPON BY THE
09/17/09 13:38:42 HONORABLE MEMBERS OF THIS
09/17/09 13:38:42 COUNCIL.
09/17/09 13:38:44 I WOULD HAVE NOTHING ELSE TO
09/17/09 13:38:47 OFFER, BUT REQUEST THAT THAT
09/17/09 13:38:48 EXTRAORDINARY SITUATION BE
09/17/09 13:38:49 ADDRESSED AND THAT I BE
09/17/09 13:38:52 PERMITTED TO FINISH WHAT I HAVE
09/17/09 13:38:53 BEGUN AND PRESENT THAT MATTER
09/17/09 13:38:53 TO
09/17/09 13:38:56 YOU AT THE
09/17/09 13:38:57 NEXT HEARING.
09/17/09 13:38:59 >> [ INDISCERNABLE ]
09/17/09 13:39:01 >> REBECCA KERT, I JUST WANTED
09/17/09 13:39:02 TO CLARIFY FOR THE RECORD THAT
09/17/09 13:39:04 AT THE JULY HEARING THE
09/17/09 13:39:04 ATTORNEY
09/17/09 13:39:07 WAS NOT PRESENT AT THE 1:30
09/17/09 13:39:07 APPEAL HEARING.
09/17/09 13:39:08 HOWEVER, HE DID SHOW UP IN MY
09/17/09 13:39:10 OFFICE ON THAT DAY, THAT WAS MY
09/17/09 13:39:12 FIRST CONTACT FROM HIM WHERE HE
09/17/09 13:39:13 NOTIFIED ME THAT HE WAS GOING
09/17/09 13:39:13 TO
09/17/09 13:39:14 BE BUSY THAT AFTERNOON.
09/17/09 13:39:16 HE HAD NOT PERFECTED NOTICE.
09/17/09 13:39:19 I ADVISED HIM THAT IF --YOU
09/17/09 13:39:22 KNOW, IF COUNCIL WOULD CONTINUE
09/17/09 13:39:24 IT AGAIN AND IF NOTICE WAS NOT
09/17/09 13:39:25 PERFECTED FOR THE SECOND
09/17/09 13:39:26 HEARING, HE WOULD BE DENIED.
09/17/09 13:39:29 I ALSO REPEATED THAT IN A
09/17/09 13:39:29 LETTER
09/17/09 13:39:30 THAT WAS SENT TO HIM AND
09/17/09 13:39:33 SUPPLIED IN THE RECORD.
09/17/09 13:39:35 YOUR CODE --I MEAN, I'LL READ
09/17/09 13:39:36 THE CODE PROVISION TO YOU.
09/17/09 13:39:38 AND IT SAYS THAT FAILURE TO
09/17/09 13:39:39 PERFECT NOTICE REQUIRED FOR THE
09/17/09 13:39:41 RESCHEDULE, THAT WOULD BE THE
09/17/09 13:39:43 SECOND HEARING, APPEAL HEARING
09/17/09 13:39:46 SHALL RESULT IN THIS APPEAL
09/17/09 13:39:46 BEING DENIED.
09/17/09 13:39:47 IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS.
09/17/09 13:39:49 >> IF I COULD FOLLOW UP ON THAT
09/17/09 13:39:51 AND THE SECTION THAT MS. KERT
09/17/09 13:39:54 DID READ WAS CHAPTER 27
09/17/09 13:39:58 SECTION
09/17/09 13:39:59 373D-6. AND, COUNSEL, I BELIEVE
09/17/09 13:39:59 THE
09/17/09 13:40:01 ISSUE AT THIS POINT IS NOT
09/17/09 13:40:02 WHETHER COUNSEL WAS HERE ON THE
09/17/09 13:40:04 16th OF JULY, BUT THE FACT IS
09/17/09 13:40:06 THAT EVEN HAD HE BEEN THERE ON
09/17/09 13:40:09 THE 16th OF JULY, THE NOTICE
09/17/09 13:40:11 AND THE RECORD WERE NOT
09/17/09 13:40:11 PERFECTED.
09/17/09 13:40:13 SO EVEN ON THAT DATE IT COULD
09/17/09 13:40:14 NOT GO FORWARD.
09/17/09 13:40:16 THAT BEING THE CASE, TODAY
09/17/09 13:40:18 YOU'RE IN A SIMILAR SITUATION.
09/17/09 13:40:19 THIS IS THE SECOND TIME THAT
09/17/09 13:40:19 THE
09/17/09 13:40:22 CASE HAS BEEN SET AND TODAY THE
09/17/09 13:40:24 CASE COULD NOT STILL GO FORWARD
09/17/09 13:40:26 TODAY BECAUSE NOTICE AND RECORD
09/17/09 13:40:27 HAVE NOT BEEN --
09/17/09 13:40:28 >> THIS WILL BE THE THIRD TIME.
09/17/09 13:40:30 >> IF YOU DO IT AGAIN IT WOULD
09/17/09 13:40:32 BE A THIRD TIME THAT THIS
09/17/09 13:40:34 CASE --TWO TIMES THE CASE
09/17/09 13:40:34 WOULD
09/17/09 13:40:37 BE RESET WHICH AS MS. KERT
09/17/09 13:40:37 STATED VERBATIM, THE COUNCIL
09/17/09 13:40:40 DOES NOT HAVE THE DISCRETION
09/17/09 13:40:42 WITH THE WORD SHALL IN THERE,
09/17/09 13:40:44 AND THAT'S COUNCIL'S CODE, THE
09/17/09 13:40:46 WAY THE RULES HAVE BEEN SET.
09/17/09 13:40:48 >> MR. SHELBY, JUST TO CLARIFY,
09/17/09 13:40:49 WE TODAY DON'T HAVE THE
09/17/09 13:40:52 DISCRETION TO CONTINUE IT
09/17/09 13:40:52 AGAIN?
09/17/09 13:40:53 >> NO, COUNSEL, BECAUSE AT THE
09/17/09 13:40:56 TIME THIS CODE WAS DRAFTED
09/17/09 13:40:58 COUNCIL MADE A POLICY DECISION
09/17/09 13:41:00 TO APPLY CONSISTENTLY TO GIVE
09/17/09 13:41:01 SOMEBODY ONE OPPORTUNITY WHEN
09/17/09 13:41:02 THE RECORD WAS NOT PERFECTED TO
09/17/09 13:41:05 HAVE A SECOND OPPORTUNITY TO DO
09/17/09 13:41:05 THAT.
09/17/09 13:41:07 BARRING THAT BEING DONE, IT
09/17/09 13:41:07 SAYS
09/17/09 13:41:08 THAT IT SHALL RESULT IN THE
09/17/09 13:41:10 APPEAL BEING DENIED.
09/17/09 13:41:13 THAT'S THE WAY YOUR CODE
09/17/09 13:41:13 READS
09/17/09 13:41:13 PRESENTLY.
09/17/09 13:41:16 >> MIGHT I BE HEARD FOR A BRIEF
09/17/09 13:41:16 RESPONSE?
09/17/09 13:41:17 >> YES, GO AHEAD.
09/17/09 13:41:18 AND THEN WE NEED TO MOVE ON.
09/17/09 13:41:21 >> THANK YOU, LADIES AND
09/17/09 13:41:21 GENTLEMEN.
09/17/09 13:41:24 I UNDERSTAND THE LETTER OF THE
09/17/09 13:41:27 LAW, I'M
09/17/09 13:41:28 A LAWYER.
09/17/09 13:41:31 THIS COUNCIL DRAFTED ITS RULES,
09/17/09 13:41:33 I WOULD THINK IT WOULD BE
09/17/09 13:41:34 WITHIN
09/17/09 13:41:36 ITS POWERS ALSO THE POWER TO
09/17/09 13:41:39 PERMIT FOR
09/17/09 13:41:41 EXTRAORDINARY
09/17/09 13:41:43 CIRCUMSTANCES.
09/17/09 13:41:46 MY CLIENT HAS WHAT IS
09/17/09 13:41:48 A MATTER
09/17/09 13:41:51 OF SIGNIFICANT
09/17/09 13:41:52 PUBLIC
09/17/09 13:41:52 IMPORTANCE.
09/17/09 13:41:53 I HAVE ONLY RECENTLY BEEN GIVEN
09/17/09 13:41:56 THE ABILITY BY WAY OF
09/17/09 13:41:56 RECEIVING
09/17/09 13:41:58 OTHER INFORMATION THAT I NEEDED
09/17/09 13:42:01 TO BE ABLE TO COMPLETE A RECORD
09/17/09 13:42:04 FOR YOU.
09/17/09 13:42:05 SHALL MEANS SHALL, BUT, AGAIN,
09/17/09 13:42:08 IT IS THIS COUNCIL THAT DRAFTED
09/17/09 13:42:10 THOSE POLICIES.
09/17/09 13:42:12 KNOWING THAT I WAS GOING TO
09/17/09 13:42:13 HAVE
09/17/09 13:42:15 DIFFICULTY, NUMBER ONE, BEING
09/17/09 13:42:17 PREPARED FOR A SEPTEMBER 17th
09/17/09 13:42:19 DATE, AND NUMBER TWO, I'M HERE
09/17/09 13:42:21 FROM OUT OF TOWN ANYWAY BECAUSE
09/17/09 13:42:23 ON AUGUST 18th I WROTE TO YOUR
09/17/09 13:42:24 ATTORNEYS AND ASKED THAT THE
09/17/09 13:42:27 MATTER BE CONTINUED SO THAT I
09/17/09 13:42:30 WOULDN'T HAVE TO BE HERE
09/17/09 13:42:30 IN
09/17/09 13:42:30 WHAT
09/17/09 13:42:31 WOULD APPEAR TO BE A SECOND
09/17/09 13:42:32 TIME
09/17/09 13:42:33 WITH NO NOTICE.
09/17/09 13:42:36 THAT LETTER WAS SENT ON
09/17/09 13:42:39 AUGUST
09/17/09 13:42:39 18th.
09/17/09 13:42:40 SO THAT ADMINISTRATIVELY, IF
09/17/09 13:42:41 THERE WAS ANY VEHICLE WITH
09/17/09 13:42:42 WHICH
09/17/09 13:42:44 TO PUT THIS ITEM ON FOR THE
09/17/09 13:42:44 NEXT
09/17/09 13:42:45 AGENDA, THAT COULD BE DONE.
09/17/09 13:42:46 I WAS TOLD AT THAT POINT THAT I
09/17/09 13:42:48 WOULD HAVE TO MAKE THAT
09/17/09 13:42:48 ARGUMENT
09/17/09 13:42:51 MYSELF BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL.
09/17/09 13:42:52 >> WELL, THAT PRESUPPOSES MY
09/17/09 13:42:54 BEING HERE A SECOND TIME,
09/17/09 13:42:55 ALTHOUGH APPROXIMATELY A MONTH
09/17/09 13:42:57 AGO I DID SEND THAT LETTER
09/17/09 13:42:59 KNOWING THAT I COULD NOT BE
09/17/09 13:42:59 HERE
09/17/09 13:43:01 TO PRESENT THIS HONORABLE
09/17/09 13:43:03 COUNCIL THE EVIDENCE THAT MY
09/17/09 13:43:04 CLIENT IS ENTITLED TO PRESENT
09/17/09 13:43:04 SO
09/17/09 13:43:07 THAT YOU MIGHT APPROPRIATELY
09/17/09 13:43:09 RULE WITH FULL EVIDENCE AT
09/17/09 13:43:09 HAND.
09/17/09 13:43:11 >> SO YOU SENT A LETTER TO
09/17/09 13:43:12 COUNCIL.
09/17/09 13:43:14 YA'LL HAVE A COPY OF THAT
09/17/09 13:43:14 LETTER?
09/17/09 13:43:17 DID YOU RECEIVE SUCH A LETTER?
09/17/09 13:43:18 >> REBECCA KERT.
09/17/09 13:43:20 YES, I DID, AND IT SHOULD BE IN
09/17/09 13:43:21 YOUR --IT SHOULD BE IN YOUR
09/17/09 13:43:21 FILE.
09/17/09 13:43:23 I SENT IT TO YOU AS WELL AS A
09/17/09 13:43:26 LETTER THAT I SENT
09/17/09 13:43:27 IN RESPONSE.
09/17/09 13:43:29 I'M NOT TRYING TO BE
09/17/09 13:43:30 ARGUMENTITIVE, BUT THE FACTS
09/17/09 13:43:32 SHOW THAT THE ATTORNEY WAS
09/17/09 13:43:33 NOTIFIED, HE WAITED THREE
09/17/09 13:43:34 WEEKS --OF THE NEW DATE, THE
09/17/09 13:43:36 SECOND DATE, AND HE WAITED
09/17/09 13:43:37 THREE
09/17/09 13:43:38 WEEKS TO NEATIFY THAT THERE WAS
09/17/09 13:43:40 A CON --NOTIFY THAT THERE WAS
09/17/09 13:43:40 A
09/17/09 13:43:41 CONFLICT.
09/17/09 13:43:42 IF HE NOTIFIED EARLIER, HE
09/17/09 13:43:44 POSSIBLY COULD HAVE GOTTEN IT
09/17/09 13:43:44 CONTINUED.
09/17/09 13:43:45 AT THAT POINT HE WAS SO CLOSE
09/17/09 13:43:45 TO
09/17/09 13:43:46 THE NOTICE DATE THERE WAS NO
09/17/09 13:43:47 ABILITY TO GET A NEW DATE.
09/17/09 13:43:49 THAT'S WHY I TOLD HIM
09/17/09 13:43:49 REGARDLESS
09/17/09 13:43:52 OF WHETHER OR NOT THIS HEARING
09/17/09 13:43:54 SUBSTANITIVELY HAPPENS TODAY,
09/17/09 13:43:57 THE CODE MANDATES THAT HE GETS
09/17/09 13:43:59 HIS NOTICE DONE.
09/17/09 13:44:01 I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT THE ISSUE
09/17/09 13:44:01 IS.
09/17/09 13:44:02 >> RIGHT.
09/17/09 13:44:04 AND NOTICE IS STILL NOT DONE IS
09/17/09 13:44:05 WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
09/17/09 13:44:06 >> YES.
09/17/09 13:44:07 I MEAN, I WOULDN'T HAVE HAD ANY
09/17/09 13:44:08 OBJECTION TO A CONTINUANCE
09/17/09 13:44:10 HAPPENING, BUT HE HAD TO GET
09/17/09 13:44:11 THAT HEARING NOTICED.
09/17/09 13:44:14 >> THANK YOU.
09/17/09 13:44:17 >> MR. CHAIRMAN,
09/17/09 13:44:18 THERE'S A
09/17/09 13:44:18 PROBLEM HERE.
09/17/09 13:44:19 IF THERE WAS A LETTER THE
09/17/09 13:44:22 18th, I'M SURE THERE IS, AND
09/17/09 13:44:25 WAS COUNSELOR ADVISED THE 18th
09/17/09 13:44:28 THIS WAS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN,
09/17/09 13:44:28 I
09/17/09 13:44:30 SEE THE 18th TO THE 17th OF
09/17/09 13:44:32 SEPTEMBER BEING 30 DAYS.
09/17/09 13:44:35 I'M NOT ON YOUR
09/17/09 13:44:36 SIDE OR AGAINST
09/17/09 13:44:36 HER.
09/17/09 13:44:38 I'M NOT FOR HER OR AGAINST HER.
09/17/09 13:44:39 I'M SAYING IF THAT LETTER WAS
09/17/09 13:44:41 SENT AND RECEIVED AND NO ONE
09/17/09 13:44:42 KNEW ABOUT IT, THIS COULD HAVE
09/17/09 13:44:45 BEEN SCHEDULED
09/17/09 13:44:48 FOR
09/17/09 13:44:49 OCTOBER.
09/17/09 13:44:50 >> REBECCA KERT LEGAL
09/17/09 13:44:50 DEPARTMENT.
09/17/09 13:44:53 THE DATE OF THE LETTER --
09/17/09 13:44:54 NOTICE
09/17/09 13:44:56 HAD TO GO OUT 30 DAYS IN
09/17/09 13:44:56 ADVANCE.
09/17/09 13:44:57 SO THERE WAS NOT A MEETING TO
09/17/09 13:44:58 APPEAR BEFORE COUNCIL AND ASK
09/17/09 13:45:01 FOR A NEW DATE BEFORE HE WOULD
09/17/09 13:45:03 HAVE BEEN --HE WOULD HAVE
09/17/09 13:45:04 MISSED NOTICE.
09/17/09 13:45:05 THAT'S WHY I SENT THE LETTER TO
09/17/09 13:45:06 HIM TO SAY YOU NEED TO
09/17/09 13:45:08 UNDERSTAND WHETHER OR NOT THIS
09/17/09 13:45:09 HEARING GOES FORWARD, YOU DON'T
09/17/09 13:45:11 HAVE TIME, SINCE YOU WAITED SO
09/17/09 13:45:12 LONG, TO GET ANY DATES.
09/17/09 13:45:15 THAT'S REALLY WHAT THE ISSUE
09/17/09 13:45:15 IS.
09/17/09 13:45:16 >> NOT TO INTERRUPT IN THE
09/17/09 13:45:18 MIDDLE OF THIS, BUT JUST TO
09/17/09 13:45:20 CLARIFY WHERE I THINK THE ISSUE
09/17/09 13:45:20 IS.
09/17/09 13:45:21 YOU HAVE TWO ISSUES HERE, ONE,
09/17/09 13:45:22 THIS GENTLEMAN HAS INDICATED
09/17/09 13:45:24 THAT HE COULD NOT BE AVAILABLE
09/17/09 13:45:25 AT THIS DATE, AND THAT'S ONE
09/17/09 13:45:26 ISSUE.
09/17/09 13:45:27 BUT THE SECOND ISSUE AND THE
09/17/09 13:45:28 ISSUE THAT MS. KERT IS TALKING
09/17/09 13:45:29 ABOUT ISN'T RELATING TO
09/17/09 13:45:31 CONTINUING A HEARING, IT'S
09/17/09 13:45:32 RELATING TO WHETHER OR NOT
09/17/09 13:45:33 PROPER NOTICE WAS MADE.
09/17/09 13:45:35 THE CODE IS VERY CLEAR.
09/17/09 13:45:36 IF YOU DON'T NOTICE CORRECTLY
09/17/09 13:45:38 AND FOLLOW OUR NOTICE
09/17/09 13:45:38 PROCEDURES
09/17/09 13:45:40 CORRECTLY TWO TIMES IN A ROW ON
09/17/09 13:45:42 AN APPEAL, IT IS AUTOMATICALLY
09/17/09 13:45:44 KEMMED DENY --DEEMED DENIED
09/17/09 13:45:45 REGARDLESS OF WHETHER OR NOT A
09/17/09 13:45:47 CONTINUANCE IS GRANTED OR NOT.
09/17/09 13:45:49 THIS PETITIONER FAILED TO DO
09/17/09 13:45:49 THE
09/17/09 13:45:52 NOTICE PROPERLY FOR THE SECOND
09/17/09 13:45:54 TIME AND HER CODE IS
09/17/09 13:45:55 AUTOMATICALLY DEEMED DENIED.
09/17/09 13:45:57 >> LET ME ASK THIS THEN, THAT'S
09/17/09 13:45:59 THE MATTER OF MATH MATTICS.
09/17/09 13:46:01 WE'RE NOT A COURT OF LAW, BUT
09/17/09 13:46:02 IF
09/17/09 13:46:04 THIS GOES TO A JUDGE, HOW IS HE
09/17/09 13:46:05 OR SHE GOING TO RULE?
09/17/09 13:46:06 >> SIR, IF I MIGHT --
09/17/09 13:46:09 >> NO, I'M NOT ASKING YOU, SIR.
09/17/09 13:46:11 >> NO, NO, I'M NOT ASKING YOU
09/17/09 13:46:11 TO
09/17/09 13:46:12 SPEAK.
09/17/09 13:46:12 >> I'M NOT A JUDGE.
09/17/09 13:46:15 >> I'M NOT ASKING YOU TO BE A
09/17/09 13:46:15 JUDGE.
09/17/09 13:46:17 I'M NOT ASKING YOU TO SPEAK TO
09/17/09 13:46:17 ME.
09/17/09 13:46:18 >> I'M SORRY.
09/17/09 13:46:20 >> I'M JUST THINKING TO MYSELF
09/17/09 13:46:20 RIGHT NOW.
09/17/09 13:46:22 WHAT I'M SAYING IS WHAT HAPPENS
09/17/09 13:46:24 IF THESE THINGS HAPPEN AND
09/17/09 13:46:25 SOMEBODY SUBMITS A LETTER THAT
09/17/09 13:46:25 I
09/17/09 13:46:27 CAN'T BE HERE, YOU MEAN JUST
09/17/09 13:46:29 BECAUSE IT'S ON THE CALENDAR
09/17/09 13:46:31 AGENDA THAT HASN'T BEEN
09/17/09 13:46:33 PRESENTED MEANS THAT THIS IS
09/17/09 13:46:35 CONSIDERED THE SECOND TIME?
09/17/09 13:46:37 MY QUESTION IS IF YOU'RE COMING
09/17/09 13:46:40 UP FOR A HEARING AND YOU WRITE
09/17/09 13:46:40 A
09/17/09 13:46:42 LETTER, YOU SAY I CAN'T BE
09/17/09 13:46:42 THERE
09/17/09 13:46:44 FOR CERTAIN REASONS, DOES THAT
09/17/09 13:46:45 AUTOMATICALLY SAY IT'S YOUR
09/17/09 13:46:48 SECOND TIME, SORRY, YOU'RE OUT?
09/17/09 13:46:50 NO FIRST RIGHT CALL?
09/17/09 13:46:52 YES, I GUESS.
09/17/09 13:46:55 SOMEBODY'S GOT TO
09/17/09 13:46:56 ANSWER IT.
09/17/09 13:46:59 >> IF THIS GENTLEMAN COULD
09/17/09 13:46:59 NOT
09/17/09 13:47:01 HAVE BEEN AVAILABLE FOR THIS
09/17/09 13:47:04 HEARING, WE COULD HAVE HANDLED
09/17/09 13:47:04 THAT ISSUE.
09/17/09 13:47:05 HE WAS OBLIGATED TO NOTICE
09/17/09 13:47:05 UNDER
09/17/09 13:47:07 THE CODE AND MS. KERT SENT HIM
09/17/09 13:47:08 A
09/17/09 13:47:10 LETTER INDICATING THAT TO HIM.
09/17/09 13:47:12 AND SO UNFORTUNATELY,
09/17/09 13:47:14 NOTWITHSTANDING THE FACT THIS
09/17/09 13:47:15 GENTLEMAN COULD NOT BE HERE
09/17/09 13:47:17 TODAY, HE DID HAVE A REMEDY AND
09/17/09 13:47:18 THAT REMEDY WAS TO NOTICE FOR
09/17/09 13:47:20 TODAY AND WE COULD HAVE
09/17/09 13:47:21 CONTINUED IT.
09/17/09 13:47:21 THANK YOU.
09/17/09 13:47:23 >> LADIES AND GENTLEMEN --
09/17/09 13:47:24 >> SIR.
09/17/09 13:47:25 SIR, WE'RE NOT GOING BACK AND
09/17/09 13:47:28 FORTH ON THIS
09/17/09 13:47:28 ISSUE.
09/17/09 13:47:30 >> WITH VERY MUCH RESPECT --
09/17/09 13:47:30 >> SIR.
09/17/09 13:47:31 OKAY.
09/17/09 13:47:33 WE'RE NOT GOING TO DEBATE THIS
09/17/09 13:47:34 ISSUE, OKAY?
09/17/09 13:47:36 >> MIGHT I BE HEARD ON THE
09/17/09 13:47:37 NOTICE INTERPRETATION?
09/17/09 13:47:40 >> IF YOU TAKE YOUR
09/17/09 13:47:43 SEAT.
09/17/09 13:47:44 THANK YOU.
09/17/09 13:47:45 >> COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
09/17/09 13:47:47 >> THANK YOU.
09/17/09 13:47:50 ARE THERE OTHER PARTIES
09/17/09 13:47:52 INVOLVED
09/17/09 13:47:52 IN THIS?
09/17/09 13:47:54 NO OTHER PARTIES OF RECORD OR
09/17/09 13:47:54 NO
09/17/09 13:47:56 OTHER VOTES HERE OBJECTING TO
09/17/09 13:47:57 THE THIRD TIME?
09/17/09 13:47:59 >> I MEAN, OUTSIDE OF CITY
09/17/09 13:48:01 STAFF, NO, I DO NOT BELIEVE
09/17/09 13:48:01 THAT
09/17/09 13:48:03 ANYONE SHOWED UP AT THE PUBLIC
09/17/09 13:48:03 HEARING.
09/17/09 13:48:05 >> SO THERE'S NO PREJUDICE TO
09/17/09 13:48:07 ANY OTHER PARTIES WHO MIGHT
09/17/09 13:48:07 HAVE
09/17/09 13:48:07 BEEN HERE.
09/17/09 13:48:09 A LOT OF TIMES WE GET THAT.
09/17/09 13:48:10 YOU KNOW, YOU GET A LOT OF
09/17/09 13:48:11 PEOPLE COMING AND GOING AND
09/17/09 13:48:13 TRAIPSING IN AND OUT.
09/17/09 13:48:15 MY INCLINATION IS BECAUSE THERE
09/17/09 13:48:17 AREN'T ANY OTHER PARTIES IS TO
09/17/09 13:48:20 TRY AND --BASED UPON WHAT'S
09/17/09 13:48:22 BEEN EXPRESSED IS CUT THESE
09/17/09 13:48:23 FOLKS SOME SLACK AND LET THEM
09/17/09 13:48:26 HAVE THEIR APPEAL
09/17/09 13:48:29 BE HEARD.
09/17/09 13:48:31 HOWEVER, YOU JUST TOLD US A
09/17/09 13:48:34 MINUTE AGO THAT THE ORDINANCE
09/17/09 13:48:37 SAYS THAT WE CAN'T
09/17/09 13:48:38 GRANT ANY
09/17/09 13:48:40 EXCEPTION AND THAT IT MUST BE
09/17/09 13:48:40 DENIED.
09/17/09 13:48:42 WELL, IF IT MUST BE DENIED,
09/17/09 13:48:45 OKAY, CAN YOU DENY IT
09/17/09 13:48:46 ADMINISTRATIVELY BECAUSE THEY
09/17/09 13:48:47 DIDN'T MEET THIS?
09/17/09 13:48:49 AND IF YOU CAN'T DENY IT
09/17/09 13:48:50 ADMINISTRATIVELY, THEN IT
09/17/09 13:48:51 SOUNDS
09/17/09 13:48:52 TO ME LIKE PERHAPS --WELL,
09/17/09 13:48:52 THAT
09/17/09 13:48:54 IS A QUESTION, AND IT SOUNDS
09/17/09 13:48:56 LIKE TO ME IF YOU CAN'T DENY IT
09/17/09 13:48:57 ADMINISTRATIVELY, THEN IT
09/17/09 13:48:57 SOUNDS
09/17/09 13:48:59 TO ME LIKE PERHAPS WE SHOULD
09/17/09 13:49:01 HAVE SOME DISCRETION.
09/17/09 13:49:04 >> THE CODE SAYS WHAT IT SAYS.
09/17/09 13:49:06 IT HAS PREVIOUSLY BEEN
09/17/09 13:49:08 INTERPRETED NOT TO PROVIDE THIS
09/17/09 13:49:11 COUNCIL WITH ANY SKEGS ON
09/17/09 13:49:13 THAT --DISCRETION ON THAT
09/17/09 13:49:13 ISSUE.
09/17/09 13:49:14 IF THE CITY COUNCIL WANTS TO
09/17/09 13:49:15 TAKE THAT POSITION, THEN I
09/17/09 13:49:15 THINK
09/17/09 13:49:18 WE NEED TO CONSIDER THE
09/17/09 13:49:19 CONSEQUENCES OF THAT DECISION.
09/17/09 13:49:21 BUT JUST IN THE PAST, THE LEGAL
09/17/09 13:49:24 DEPARTMENT HAS ADVISED
09/17/09 13:49:24 AFTER
09/17/09 13:49:25 PROVIDING CITY COUNCIL --AND I
09/17/09 13:49:27 THINK THAT'S BEEN IN THERE FOR
09/17/09 13:49:29 SOME PERIOD OF TIME, IT'S NOT A
09/17/09 13:49:30 NEW PROVISION, IT'S BEEN IN
09/17/09 13:49:32 THERE FOR AS LONG AS I'VE BEEN
09/17/09 13:49:35 WITH THE CITY
09/17/09 13:49:37 THAT THE SHALL
09/17/09 13:49:39 WITHIN THAT PUTS AN OBLIGATION
09/17/09 13:49:40 ONTO THE COUNCIL.
09/17/09 13:49:42 CERTAINLY IF CITY COUNCIL WANTS
09/17/09 13:49:45 TO TAKE A DIFFERENT DIRECTION
09/17/09 13:49:46 ON
09/17/09 13:49:48 THAT, I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT
09/17/09 13:49:50 PROVISION DOES SAY WHAT IT
09/17/09 13:49:50 SAYS.
09/17/09 13:49:51 >> THE CONSEQUENCES YOU'RE
09/17/09 13:49:53 SPEAKING TO ARE PROBABLY NOT SO
09/17/09 13:49:55 MUCH RELATED TO THIS CASE BUT
09/17/09 13:49:55 AS
09/17/09 13:49:56 COMPARED TO PRECEDENT, IS THAT
09/17/09 13:49:57 CORRECT?
09/17/09 13:49:59 >> THAT'S RIGHT.
09/17/09 13:50:01 EXACTLY RIGHT.
09/17/09 13:50:03 >> I'LL LISTEN TO THE REST OF
09/17/09 13:50:04 COUNCIL, SEE WHAT THEY HAVE TO
09/17/09 13:50:04 SAY.
09/17/09 13:50:05 >> SIR, I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU A
09/17/09 13:50:08 MINUTE TO SPEAK AND WE NEED TO
09/17/09 13:50:08 MOVE ON.
09/17/09 13:50:09 I'LL GIVE YOU A MINUTE.
09/17/09 13:50:12 >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
09/17/09 13:50:15 I UNDERSTAND THE QUANDARY FOR
09/17/09 13:50:15 THE COUNCIL.
09/17/09 13:50:18 HOWEVER, IN THIS CASE I THINK I
09/17/09 13:50:21 HAVE PRESENTED TWO INSTANDS,
09/17/09 13:50:21 --
09/17/09 13:50:23 INSTANCES, TWO EXAMPLES OF WHY
09/17/09 13:50:24 THIS IS AN EXTRAORDINARY
09/17/09 13:50:25 MATTER.
09/17/09 13:50:27 I DID APPEAR AND SPEAK WITH
09/17/09 13:50:28 REBECCA KERT ON JULY 16th.
09/17/09 13:50:30 I STILL COULD NOT HAVE BEEN
09/17/09 13:50:30 HERE.
09/17/09 13:50:31 I WAS STILL UNDER MEDICAL
09/17/09 13:50:33 CONVALESCENCE AT THAT POINT AND
09/17/09 13:50:35 NEEDED TO GET TO A MEDICAL
09/17/09 13:50:35 APPOINTMENT.
09/17/09 13:50:36 IF I HAD KNOWN THAT I'D BE
09/17/09 13:50:37 COMING UP AS QUICKLY AS I WAS
09/17/09 13:50:40 GOING TO BE COMING UP --AND
09/17/09 13:50:40 SHE
09/17/09 13:50:43 HAS NO OBLIGATION TO KNOW WHAT
09/17/09 13:50:45 MY CALENDAR IS.
09/17/09 13:50:48 ON THE 18th AS I SAW WHAT
09/17/09 13:50:49 MATERIAL IS AVAILABLE TO ME AND
09/17/09 13:50:52 WHAT I WAS ABLE TO AMASS, I DID
09/17/09 13:50:54 WHAT I HAVE BEEN TRAINED TO DO
09/17/09 13:50:57 WITH RESPECT TO THE OTHER
09/17/09 13:50:57 COURTS
09/17/09 13:50:58 AND NOT THIS PARTICULAR FORUM
09/17/09 13:51:00 AND THAT IS REQUEST A
09/17/09 13:51:01 CONTINUANCE IN WRITING.
09/17/09 13:51:03 THERE HAVE BEEN NO PUBLIC
09/17/09 13:51:04 APPEARANCES BY ANYONE ELSE
09/17/09 13:51:06 SPEAKING AGAINST THIS MATTER,
09/17/09 13:51:09 AND I BELIEVE TO NOTICE THE
09/17/09 13:51:10 --
09/17/09 13:51:11 THE PURPOSE OF NOTICE IS TO
09/17/09 13:51:11 MAKE
09/17/09 13:51:13 SURE THAT FOLKS DON'T SHOW UP
09/17/09 13:51:16 WHO CAN'T
09/17/09 13:51:18 MAKE IT.
09/17/09 13:51:19 I DIDN'T REALIZE PERHAPS THAT
09/17/09 13:51:21 NOTICE HAS A DIFFERENT
09/17/09 13:51:23 CONNOTATION FOR THE CITY
09/17/09 13:51:23 COUNCIL.
09/17/09 13:51:25 I DIDN'T WANT IN THE MUNICIPAL
09/17/09 13:51:26 ECONOMY AND JUDICIAL ECONOMY TO
09/17/09 13:51:27 NOTICE A BUNCH OF PEOPLE ONLY
09/17/09 13:51:28 TO
09/17/09 13:51:29 LET THEM KNOW THAT I NEED A
09/17/09 13:51:31 CONTINUANCE ON THE 17th.
09/17/09 13:51:34 AS I'VE ARGUED, I'VE ACTUALLY
09/17/09 13:51:36 COME AWAY FROM OUT OF TAMPA
09/17/09 13:51:39 QUITE SOME DISTANCE TO BE HERE
09/17/09 13:51:40 BECAUSE I WAS TOLD I'D HAVE TO
09/17/09 13:51:41 BE HERE MYSELF.
09/17/09 13:51:43 I DIDN'T WANT ANYONE ELSE
09/17/09 13:51:45 ARGUING THIS FOR ME.
09/17/09 13:51:45 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09/17/09 13:51:46 I APPRECIATE IT.
09/17/09 13:51:49 >> JUST ONE LAST
09/17/09 13:51:52 THING,
09/17/09 13:51:53 MS. KERT.
09/17/09 13:51:55 NOW, THE ISSUE COULD HAVE BEEN
09/17/09 13:51:57 EASILY REMEDIED HAD HE JUST DID
09/17/09 13:51:59 A NOTICE ACCORDING TO THE CODE,
09/17/09 13:51:59 RIGHT?
09/17/09 13:52:02 >> THAT
09/17/09 13:52:04 IS CORRECT.
09/17/09 13:52:06 >> AND HE COULD HAVE JUST DID A
09/17/09 13:52:07 NOTICE AND RESPONDED TO A
09/17/09 13:52:07 LETTER, IS THAT RIGHT?
09/17/09 13:52:08 >> YES, SIR.
09/17/09 13:52:10 >>> THAT WOULD HAVE CURED THE
09/17/09 13:52:11 PROBLEM IN WHICH HE FAILED TO
09/17/09 13:52:12 DO, IS THAT RIGHT?
09/17/09 13:52:14 >> YES, SIR.
09/17/09 13:52:16 >> ALL RIGHT.
09/17/09 13:52:18 >> SEEMS TO ME THIS IS A
09/17/09 13:52:20 FAILURE
09/17/09 13:52:20 TO COMMUNICATE, AND I DON'T --
09/17/09 13:52:23 IN THE INTEREST OF TRYING TO,
09/17/09 13:52:23 IN
09/17/09 13:52:25 THE WORDS OF SOME OF MY
09/17/09 13:52:26 COLLEAGUES, TO SUPPORT SMALL
09/17/09 13:52:27 BUSINESS IN TOWN, I DON'T SEE
09/17/09 13:52:29 WHY WE CAN'T MOVE TO WAIVE OUR
09/17/09 13:52:32 RULES AND ALLOW HIM TO
09/17/09 13:52:35 NOTICE
09/17/09 13:52:35 AGAIN.
09/17/09 13:52:36 >> WELL, IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE
09/17/09 13:52:37 THAN JUST WAIVING RULES HERE.
09/17/09 13:52:39 THIS IS YOUR OWN ORDINANCE THAT
09/17/09 13:52:41 YOU GOT IN PLACE.
09/17/09 13:52:41 GO AHEAD.
09/17/09 13:52:44 >> MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE
09/17/09 13:52:45 THAT
09/17/09 13:52:47 IT'S PROBLEMATIC TO MAKE A
09/17/09 13:52:50 MOTION TO WAIVE A STATUTE WHICH
09/17/09 13:52:53 IS A DULY ENACTED ORDINANCE
09/17/09 13:52:53 THAT
09/17/09 13:52:55 IS SIGNED BY THE MAYOR AND
09/17/09 13:52:55 CODIFIED.
09/17/09 13:52:57 I DON'T THINK THIS COUNCIL HAS
09/17/09 13:52:58 BY DISCRETION TO PROCEDURAL
09/17/09 13:53:00 WAIVE AN ORDINANCE, THAT'S
09/17/09 13:53:00 NUMBER ONE.
09/17/09 13:53:02 NUMBER TWO IS, EVEN IF YOU
09/17/09 13:53:03 COULD, THE NET EFFECT OF THAT
09/17/09 13:53:05 WOULD BE THEN TO VOID THIS
09/17/09 13:53:08 ORDINANCE BECAUSE YOU WOULD
09/17/09 13:53:09 CREATE PREFERENTIAL VALUE AND
09/17/09 13:53:10 MY
09/17/09 13:53:11 ADVICE WOULD BE YOU'D HAVE TO
09/17/09 13:53:13 TOSS THIS AND CHANGE THAT IF
09/17/09 13:53:14 THAT'S COUNCIL'S INTENTION.
09/17/09 13:53:16 IF YOU DO IT ONCE, YOU'D HAVE
09/17/09 13:53:16 TO
09/17/09 13:53:17 DO IT FOR EVERYBODY.
09/17/09 13:53:19 >> WE'VE SPENT ENOUGH TIME.
09/17/09 13:53:22 >> CITY COUNCIL, I APOLOGIZE.
09/17/09 13:53:23 THE ATTORNEY HAS JUST SHOWN ME
09/17/09 13:53:23 A
09/17/09 13:53:25 CERTIFICATE OF MAILING THAT HE
09/17/09 13:53:27 SENT SOMETHING TO THE CLERK'S
09/17/09 13:53:27 OFFICE.
09/17/09 13:53:28 THE CLERK HAS NOTIFIED US THAT
09/17/09 13:53:30 WE DIDN'T HAVE IT.
09/17/09 13:53:31 I JUST SAW THIS, AND IF I COULD
09/17/09 13:53:34 HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SEE IF
09/17/09 13:53:36 THIS IS ACTUALLY WHAT HE WAS
09/17/09 13:53:37 SUPPOSED TO SEND.
09/17/09 13:53:39 >> TAKE A FEW MINUTES.
09/17/09 13:53:41 >> GO CHECK WITH THE CLERK.
09/17/09 13:53:44 WE'LL MOVE ON THEN TO THE
09/17/09 13:53:44 NEXT
09/17/09 13:53:45 ITEM.
09/17/09 13:53:46 WHILE YA'LL CONFER SO WE DON'T
09/17/09 13:53:49 SPEND 30 MINUTES ON
09/17/09 13:53:50 THAT ONE.
09/17/09 13:53:51 FIRST ITEM UP IS NUMBER 93
09/17/09 13:53:51 WHICH
09/17/09 13:53:55 IS A CONTINUED
09/17/09 13:53:57 PUBLIC HEARING.
09/17/09 13:53:59 IF YOU WANT TO SWEAR IN THE
09/17/09 13:53:59 WITNESSES.
09/17/09 13:54:01 >> I HOPE EVERYBODY GOT ALL
09/17/09 13:54:04 THEIR NOTICES IN, EVERYTHING
09/17/09 13:54:06 STRAIGHTENED OUT.
09/17/09 13:54:09 [ LAUGHTER
09/17/09 13:54:12 ]
09/17/09 13:54:21 >> BEFORE WE
09/17/09 13:54:24 MOVE FORWARD,
09/17/09 13:54:25 SHELBY, THE CLERK HAS HANDED ME
09/17/09 13:54:28 ITEM 100 THAT WE
09/17/09 13:54:30 NEED TO --
09/17/09 13:54:32 >> IF WE CAN RECALL THAT.
09/17/09 13:54:33 I THANK THE CLERK FOR BRINGING
09/17/09 13:54:34 THAT TO MY ATTENTION.
09/17/09 13:54:35 >> PARDON ME?
09/17/09 13:54:36 >> THERE IS A REQUEST THAT WAS
09/17/09 13:54:39 RECEIVED BY THE PETITIONER
09/17/09 13:54:41 REQUESTING RESCHEDULING OF ITEM
09/17/09 13:54:44 100 FILE NUMBER
09/17/09 13:54:45 E209-8 CHAPTER
09/17/09 13:54:47 17.5 TO SCHEDULE THE APPEAL
09/17/09 13:54:49 HEARING, RESCHEDULE IT TO
09/17/09 13:54:52 NOVEMBER 19th, 2009 AT 1:30 IN
09/17/09 13:54:54 THE AFTERNOON.
09/17/09 13:54:55 AND A MOTION WOULD BE
09/17/09 13:54:55 APPROPRIATE.
09/17/09 13:54:58 >>
09/17/09 13:54:59 SO MOVED.
09/17/09 13:55:02 >> REMOVE IT FROM THE AGENDA?
09/17/09 13:55:04 DO YOU WANT TO DO A MOTION TO
09/17/09 13:55:07 RESCIND THAT
09/17/09 13:55:07 THEN?
09/17/09 13:55:10 >> I MOVE THAT ITEM 100 BE PUT
09/17/09 13:55:11 BACK ON THE AGENDA.
09/17/09 13:55:13 >> MOVE TO SECOND.
09/17/09 13:55:15 ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNAL BY
09/17/09 13:55:15 SAYING I.
09/17/09 13:55:16 >> I.
09/17/09 13:55:17 >> WE NEED A MOTION TO SET IT
09/17/09 13:55:18 OVER TO NOVEMBER 19th.
09/17/09 13:55:20 >> SO MOVE.
09/17/09 13:55:20 >> SECOND.
09/17/09 13:55:21 >> AT 1:30.
09/17/09 13:55:24 ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING
09/17/09 13:55:24 I.
09/17/09 13:55:25 >> I.
09/17/09 13:55:25 >> ARE THERE ANY CLEANUP ITEMS
09/17/09 13:55:29 WE NEED TO TAKE
09/17/09 13:55:31 CARE OF?
09/17/09 13:55:33 NOW, EVERYBODY THIS AFTERNOON,
09/17/09 13:55:35 THE CLOCK IS TICKING.
09/17/09 13:55:36 I HOPE YOU COME PREPARED WITH
09/17/09 13:55:38 YOUR CASE SO WE CAN MOVE
09/17/09 13:55:40 EXPEDITIOUSLY WITHOUT ANY OTHER
09/17/09 13:55:40 DELAYS.
09/17/09 13:55:41 THANK YOU VERY KINDLY.
09/17/09 13:55:41 YES.
09/17/09 13:55:43 >> CHAIRMAN, I HAVE TWO POINTS
09/17/09 13:55:44 I'D LIKE TO RAISE.
09/17/09 13:55:46 ONE IS I'D LIKE TO HAVE MY
09/17/09 13:55:48 MOTION AND VOTE ALL WRITTEN
09/17/09 13:55:49 MATERIAL WHICH HAVE BEEN
09/17/09 13:55:50 AVAILABLE FOR PUBLIC INSPECTION
09/17/09 13:55:51 IN CITY COUNCIL'S OFFICE BE
09/17/09 13:55:52 RECEIVED AND FILED INTO THE
09/17/09 13:55:52 RECORD.
09/17/09 13:55:53 >> SO MOVED.
09/17/09 13:55:54 >> SECOND.
09/17/09 13:55:56 >> ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY
09/17/09 13:55:57 SAYING I.
09/17/09 13:55:57 >> I.
09/17/09 13:55:59 >> ITEM 93.
09/17/09 13:56:02 >> THERE IS A SIGN-IN SHEET
09/17/09 13:56:03 OUTSIDE AND MAKE SURE THAT YOU
09/17/09 13:56:04 HAVE BEEN SWORN.
09/17/09 13:56:05 THANK YOU.
09/17/09 13:56:07 >> THIS IS A CONTINUED PUBLIC
09/17/09 13:56:08 HEARING, RIGHT?
09/17/09 13:56:09 >> JAMES COOK, I HAVE BEEN
09/17/09 13:56:10 SWORN.
09/17/09 13:56:13 THIS IS ON ITEM NUMBER 93, THE
09/17/09 13:56:15 ITALIAN CLUB IS REQUESTING TO
09/17/09 13:56:18 VACATE APPROVED PORTIONS
09/17/09 13:56:24 PORTIONS MACADDO
09/17/09 13:56:25 STREET, RESTORATION PORTIONS OF
09/17/09 13:56:27 AN ALLEY AND 25th STREET.
09/17/09 13:56:28 THIS IS THE ITALIAN CLUB
09/17/09 13:56:32 CEMETERY IN
09/17/09 13:56:32 NEW TAMPA.
09/17/09 13:56:35 THE PROPERTY HIGHLIGHTED IN RED
09/17/09 13:56:38 IS 24th AVENUE,
09/17/09 13:56:38 MACHADO STREET
09/17/09 13:56:40 RUNS TO THE WEST.
09/17/09 13:56:42 23rd AVENUE BY SECRETARIES THE
09/17/09 13:56:45 CEMETERY
09/17/09 13:56:47 EAST, WEST.
09/17/09 13:56:48 >> I'D ALSO LIKE TO POINT OUT
09/17/09 13:56:51 THAT ALL OF THESE RIGHT-OF-WAYS
09/17/09 13:56:54 HAVE BEEN FENCED OFF BY
09/17/09 13:56:54 THE
09/17/09 13:56:56 CEMETERY FOR THE PAST 71 YEARS.
09/17/09 13:56:58 THIS IS CHILDS STREET LOOKING
09/17/09 13:57:01 NORTH TOWARDS
09/17/09 13:57:02 24th AVENUE.
09/17/09 13:57:05 THIS IS MACHADO STREET LOOKING
09/17/09 13:57:08 SOUTH FROM
09/17/09 13:57:10 24th AVENUE.
09/17/09 13:57:11 HERE'S A PICTURE OF 24th
09/17/09 13:57:14 AVENUE LOOKING EAST FROM
09/17/09 13:57:19 MACHADO
09/17/09 13:57:19 STREET.
09/17/09 13:57:22 HERE 'S A PICTURE OF 24th
09/17/09 13:57:25 AVENUE LOOKING WEST AT
09/17/09 13:57:27 26th
09/17/09 13:57:27 STREET.
09/17/09 13:57:28 HERE'S A PICTURE OF 23rd
09/17/09 13:57:31 AVENUE LOOKING EAST FROM
09/17/09 13:57:35 MACHADO
09/17/09 13:57:36 STREET.
09/17/09 13:57:39 >>> THIS IS A PICTURE OF
09/17/09 13:57:40 MACHADO
09/17/09 13:57:41 STREET LOOKING SOUTH FROM 24th
09/17/09 13:57:41 AVENUE.
09/17/09 13:57:43 HERE'S A PICTURE OF 25th
09/17/09 13:57:46 STREET LOOKING NORTH FROM 22nd
09/17/09 13:57:46 AVENUE.
09/17/09 13:57:49 AND LAST PICTURE IS --THAT'S
09/17/09 13:57:51 THE ALLEYWAY LOOKING WEST FROM
09/17/09 13:57:51 26th STREET.
09/17/09 13:57:54 >> CAN YOU GO BACK
09/17/09 13:57:57 ONE PICTURE?
09/17/09 13:58:05 >> MR. CHAIRMAN, COULD I ASK A
09/17/09 13:58:05 QUESTION?
09/17/09 13:58:08 >> YES, SIR.
09/17/09 13:58:11 >> ON YOUR ORIGINAL
09/17/09 13:58:12 DRAWING --
09/17/09 13:58:15 ON YOUR ORIGINAL DRAWING.
09/17/09 13:58:18 >> THE
09/17/09 13:58:19 AERIAL
09/17/09 13:58:20 >> OKAY.
09/17/09 13:58:21 WHAT'S THE STREET THAT'S JUST
09/17/09 13:58:24 ONE STREET OVER FROM MACHADO?
09/17/09 13:58:25 IS THAT 25th.
09/17/09 13:58:27 >> THIS IS MACHADO, THIS IS
09/17/09 13:58:28 25th, YES, SIR.
09/17/09 13:58:31 >> ARE THERE ANY HOMES BACKING
09/17/09 13:58:32 UP THERE?
09/17/09 13:58:32 >> THIS IS PRIVATE PROPERTY TO
09/17/09 13:58:33 THE WEST OF IT.
09/17/09 13:58:35 LIKE I SAID, THIS HAS ALL BEEN
09/17/09 13:58:36 FENCED OFF AS PART OF THE
09/17/09 13:58:38 CEMETERY FOR THE PAST 71 YEARS.
09/17/09 13:58:41 THIS IS NOT A
09/17/09 13:58:42 PLATTED
09/17/09 13:58:43 RIGHT-OF-WAY.
09/17/09 13:58:43 THEY'RE WELL AWARE THEY'RE
09/17/09 13:58:44 GOING
09/17/09 13:58:45 TO HAVE TO DO TITLE TO GET
09/17/09 13:58:46 OWNERSHIP OF IT.
09/17/09 13:58:48 WE JUST WANT TO GET RID OF ANY
09/17/09 13:58:50 INTEREST THE PUBLIC MAY HAVE TO
09/17/09 13:58:50 IT.
09/17/09 13:58:50 >> OKAY.
09/17/09 13:58:53 >> AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE
09/17/09 13:58:56 PHOTOS, IF YOU HAVE ANY
09/17/09 13:58:59 OBJECTIONS MAKE
09/17/09 13:59:02 A REQUEST.
09/17/09 13:59:07 >> PETITIONER.
09/17/09 13:59:10 >> GOOD AFTERNOON,
09/17/09 13:59:12 ANN POLLACK.
09/17/09 13:59:14 I THINK JIMMY PRETTY MUCH SAID
09/17/09 13:59:16 EVERYTHING, IT'S THE ITALIAN
09/17/09 13:59:17 CLUB CEMETERY, MOST OF IT HAS
09/17/09 13:59:19 BEEN FENCED OFF AND SOME
09/17/09 13:59:20 ACTUALLY USED FOR GRAVES.
09/17/09 13:59:21 WE'RE TRYING TO CLEAN UP THE
09/17/09 13:59:23 TITLE AND GET EVERYTHING
09/17/09 13:59:23 STRAIGHT.
09/17/09 13:59:25 >> ANYONE HERE IN OPPOSITION OF
09/17/09 13:59:26 THIS VACATION?
09/17/09 13:59:27 ANYONE HERE IN OPPOSITION?
09/17/09 13:59:30 >> MOVE TO CLOSE.
09/17/09 13:59:30 >> SECOND.
09/17/09 13:59:32 >> ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY
09/17/09 13:59:35 SAYING I.
09/17/09 13:59:37 >> I.
09/17/09 13:59:38 >> MR. MIRANDA.
09/17/09 13:59:41 >> THEY'VE HAD A LOT OF
09/17/09 13:59:43 VANDALISM AROUND HERE.
09/17/09 13:59:45 MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE AN
09/17/09 13:59:47 ORDINANCE VACATING,
09/17/09 13:59:49 DISCONTINUING, ABANDONS CERTAIN
09/17/09 13:59:52 RIGHTS-OF-WAY, PORTION OF
09/17/09 13:59:54 MACHADO STREET, 23rd AVENUE,
09/17/09 13:59:55 24th AVENUE, LYING NORTH OF
09/17/09 13:59:57 21st AVENUE, LYING SOUTH OF
09/17/09 13:59:59 26th AVENUE, EAST OF 26th
09/17/09 14:00:00 STREET AND WEST OF 24th STREET
09/17/09 14:00:03 IN THE AF RANDALL SUBDIVISION
09/17/09 14:00:06 NUMBER TWO COLLEGE HILL
09/17/09 14:00:08 REVISED
09/17/09 14:00:10 SUBDIVISION AND CITY OF TAMPA,
09/17/09 14:00:13 FLORIDA AND
09/17/09 14:00:15 RAWMAN AND SAME
09/17/09 14:00:17 BEING FULLY DESCRIBED IN
09/17/09 14:00:17 SECTION
09/17/09 14:00:19 2 THEREOF SUBJECT TO THE
09/17/09 14:00:20 RESERVATIONS OF CERTAIN
09/17/09 14:00:21 PERMANENT AND TEMPORARY
09/17/09 14:00:23 HE'SMENTS AS SET FORTH --
09/17/09 14:00:26 EASEMENTS SET
09/17/09 14:00:28 FORTH HEREIN.
09/17/09 14:00:34 >> ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY
09/17/09 14:00:35 SAYING I.
09/17/09 14:00:35 >> I.
09/17/09 14:00:36 >> OPPOSE?
09/17/09 14:00:38 >> MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
09/17/09 14:00:39 SECOND READING OF THE ORDINANCE
09/17/09 14:00:42 WILL BE HELD OCTOBER THE 1ST AT
09/17/09 14:00:44 9:30 A.M.
09/17/09 14:00:47 >>
09/17/09 14:00:50 ITEM 95
09/17/09 14:01:03 .
09/17/09 14:01:04 >> GOOD AFTERNOON.
09/17/09 14:01:06 THIS IS A CONTINUED PUBLIC
09/17/09 14:01:08 HEARING ON VO958.
09/17/09 14:01:11 THIS IS FOR THE HEIGHTS AREA,
09/17/09 14:01:14 SPECIAL USE FOR
09/17/09 14:01:17 ALCOHOL PERMIT.
09/17/09 14:01:18 THIS IS NORTH BOULEVARD TO THE
09/17/09 14:01:20 LEFT, TAMPA TREAT STREET TO THE
09/17/09 14:01:23 EAST AND SEVENTH AVENUE TO
09/17/09 14:01:27 THE
09/17/09 14:01:27 SOUTH.
09/17/09 14:01:29 THE FILES ARE INCONSISTENT.
09/17/09 14:01:32 AS PART OF THE SITE PLAN THERE
09/17/09 14:01:35 IS A REVISION SHEET IF COUNCIL
09/17/09 14:01:38 IS INCLINED TO APPROVE THOSE,
09/17/09 14:01:39 COULD YOU INSTRUCT THE
09/17/09 14:01:42 PETITIONER TO MAKE THOSE TO THE
09/17/09 14:01:45 SUBMISSION TODAY.
09/17/09 14:01:46 THEY'RE ASKING FOR BEER, WINE
09/17/09 14:01:49 AND SPIRITS FOR CONSUMPTION
09/17/09 14:01:52 OFF
09/17/09 14:01:52 PREMISES.
09/17/09 14:01:53 THEY HAVE A LIST OF CONDITIONS
09/17/09 14:01:54 THAT HAVE BEEN ATTACHED AND
09/17/09 14:01:56 REVIEWED BY THE LEGAL
09/17/09 14:01:57 DEPARTMENT
09/17/09 14:01:59 AS PART OF THIS PETITION FOR
09/17/09 14:02:00 RESTRICTIONS AND SUCH ON THE
09/17/09 14:02:01 SALE OF THE ALCOHOL.
09/17/09 14:02:04 THIS IS PART OF THE PDA HEIGHTS
09/17/09 14:02:07 WHICH WAS PASSED BY
09/17/09 14:02:08 COUNCIL
09/17/09 14:02:09 ORDINANCE, THE CONDITIONS THAT
09/17/09 14:02:12 WERE PART OF THAT ORIGINAL PDA
09/17/09 14:02:14 WILL STILL APPLY TO THIS
09/17/09 14:02:15 DEVELOPMENT AND THE RULE WILL
09/17/09 14:02:17 APPLY FOR THE SPECIAL USE.
09/17/09 14:02:20 THE PDA CONSISTED OF ROUGHLY 48
09/17/09 14:02:20 ACRES.
09/17/09 14:02:23 THE TOTAL FLOOR AREA FOR THE
09/17/09 14:02:25 ALCOHOL IS ROUGHLY 119,000
09/17/09 14:02:25 SCARE
09/17/09 14:02:28 SQUARE FEET SPREAD
09/17/09 14:02:29 OVER ROUGHLY
09/17/09 14:02:31 700 ACRES OF THE ORIGINAL 48.
09/17/09 14:02:34 THE BRAKEDOWN PROPOSED IS
09/17/09 14:02:37 5,000
09/17/09 14:02:43 SQUARE FEET
09/17/09 14:03:04 IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'LL
09/17/09 14:03:07 BE HAPPY TO TRY AND
09/17/09 14:03:10 ANSWER THEM.
09/17/09 14:03:13 >>
09/17/09 14:03:16 OFFICER
09/17/09 14:03:16 MILLER.
09/17/09 14:03:18 >> CITY OF TAMPA POLICE
09/17/09 14:03:19 DEPARTMENT AND I HAVE BEEN
09/17/09 14:03:20 SWORN.
09/17/09 14:03:21 >> CITY OF TAMPA POLICE
09/17/09 14:03:24 DEPARTMENT HAS
09/17/09 14:03:24 NO OBJECTIONS,
09/17/09 14:03:24 IT
09/17/09 14:03:27 IS A VERY
09/17/09 14:03:30 LARGE PROJECT, ONG
09/17/09 14:03:31 NEGOTIATIONS --ONG
09/17/09 14:03:32 NEGOTIATIONS
09/17/09 14:03:33 AND LANGUAGE, BUT I THINK THEY
09/17/09 14:03:36 PRETTY MUCH HAVE IT ALL
09/17/09 14:03:41 SETTLED.
09/17/09 14:03:41 >> PETITIONER.
09/17/09 14:03:43 >> GOOD AFTERNOON,
09/17/09 14:03:44 COUNCILMEMBERS, GINA GRIMES
09/17/09 14:03:44 WITH
09/17/09 14:03:47 HILL, WARD ANDHANDERSON --
09/17/09 14:03:48 AND
09/17/09 14:03:48 HENDERSON.
09/17/09 14:03:50 >> YOU HAVE 15 MINUTES.
09/17/09 14:03:51 >> PARDON ME?
09/17/09 14:03:54 >> YOU HAVE 15 MINUTES FOR
09/17/09 14:03:55 YOUR
09/17/09 14:03:55 PRESENTATION.
09/17/09 14:03:57 >> I ASKED FOR MORE TIME IN A
09/17/09 14:03:58 LETTER I SENT SOME TIME AGO,
09/17/09 14:03:58 BUT
09/17/09 14:04:00 I THINK WE CAN GET THROUGH IT
09/17/09 14:04:01 IN
09/17/09 14:04:01 15 MINUTES.
09/17/09 14:04:02 >> OKAY.
09/17/09 14:04:04 >> I WANT TO BEGIN BY SAYING I
09/17/09 14:04:06 KNOW THE REQUEST SEEMS FAIRLY
09/17/09 14:04:07 BROAD OR PERMISSIVE, AND I WANT
09/17/09 14:04:10 TO ASSURE YOU THAT IT IS NOT AS
09/17/09 14:04:13 BROAD OR PERMISSIVE AS IT MAY
09/17/09 14:04:14 BE
09/17/09 14:04:14 PORTRAYED.
09/17/09 14:04:16 AND WHILE THIS IS NOT THE
09/17/09 14:04:17 TYPICAL SPECIAL USE APPLICATION
09/17/09 14:04:19 FOR ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES, IT IS
09/17/09 14:04:21 GOING TO BE HANDLED THE SAME
09/17/09 14:04:22 WAY
09/17/09 14:04:23 OTHER SPECIAL USE APPLICATIONS
09/17/09 14:04:24 ARE HANDLED AND THAT IS IT'S
09/17/09 14:04:27 GOING TO BE CONTROLLED BY A
09/17/09 14:04:27 SITE
09/17/09 14:04:28 PLAN.
09/17/09 14:04:29 I KNOW YOU ALL ARE LOOKING AT
09/17/09 14:04:30 VERY LARGE COPIES OF THE SITE
09/17/09 14:04:33 PLAN, AND I WOULD ASK
09/17/09 14:04:34 DARREN
09/17/09 14:04:35 BOOTH, THE PROJECT MANAGER TO
09/17/09 14:04:38 HAND OUT SOME SMALLER VERSIONS,
09/17/09 14:04:40 ALSO INCLUDE A SECOND PAGE
09/17/09 14:04:40 WHICH
09/17/09 14:04:41 HAS THE CONDITIONS AND
09/17/09 14:04:44 LIMITATIONS ON OUR PROPOSAL.
09/17/09 14:04:45 AND THE WAY --IT'S IMPORTANT
09/17/09 14:04:46 TO
09/17/09 14:04:48 UNDERSTAND THE WAY THIS
09/17/09 14:04:49 PROPOSAL
09/17/09 14:04:49 WAS STRUCTURED.
09/17/09 14:04:50 IT'S STRUCTURED MUCH THE SAME
09/17/09 14:04:51 AS
09/17/09 14:04:53 THE PDA IS STRUCTURED, AND THAT
09/17/09 14:04:55 IS WE ARE REQUESTING APPROVAL
09/17/09 14:04:55 TO
09/17/09 14:04:58 SELL ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES
09/17/09 14:05:01 WITHIN
09/17/09 14:05:02 119,000 SQUARE FEET OF THE USES
09/17/09 14:05:03 WITHIN THE PROJECT.
09/17/09 14:05:06 AND THE WAY IT'LL BE ALLOCATED
09/17/09 14:05:07 BY THE DEVELOPER IS THE SAME
09/17/09 14:05:07 WAY
09/17/09 14:05:09 THAT THE LAND USE ENTITLEMENTS
09/17/09 14:05:10 WILL BE ALLOCATED AND THAT'S
09/17/09 14:05:13 THAT THE DEVELOPER WILL CONTROL
09/17/09 14:05:15 THE POOL OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE
09/17/09 14:05:17 ENTITLEMENT AND THEY WILL BE
09/17/09 14:05:19 ALLOCATED PARCEL BY PARCEL OR
09/17/09 14:05:20 ESTABLISHMENT BY ESTABLISHMENT
09/17/09 14:05:22 TO VARIOUS TENANTS, AND THEN IF
09/17/09 14:05:24 THE PROPERTY IS SOLD, IT'LL BE
09/17/09 14:05:25 ALLOCATED TO THE PROPERTY OWNER
09/17/09 14:05:27 AND AT THAT POINT IN TIME IT'LL
09/17/09 14:05:29 BECOME PERMANENT AND STAY WITH
09/17/09 14:05:32 THE LAND THAT THAT PROPERTY
09/17/09 14:05:34 OWNER HAS.
09/17/09 14:05:37 I WOULD LIKE FOR DARREN TO HAND
09/17/09 14:05:38 OUT ALSO PROBABLY THE MOST
09/17/09 14:05:40 IMPORTANT PART OF THE PACKAGE
09/17/09 14:05:42 WHICH IS THE CONDITIONS AND
09/17/09 14:05:42 LIMITATIONS.
09/17/09 14:05:44 YOU'LL SEE THAT WE HAVE QUITE A
09/17/09 14:05:48 FEW CONDITIONS AND
09/17/09 14:05:48 LIMITATIONS
09/17/09 14:05:50 AND MOST IMPORTANT ON THERE IS
09/17/09 14:05:53 WHAT IS REFERRED TO AS THE
09/17/09 14:05:55 ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SPREAD
09/17/09 14:05:55 SHEET.
09/17/09 14:05:56 I'D LIKE TO JUST PUT UP THE
09/17/09 14:05:59 FIRST PAGE OF THAT ON
09/17/09 14:06:03 THE
09/17/09 14:06:03 OVERHEAD.
09/17/09 14:06:04 WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND
09/17/09 14:06:05 IS THE PERCENTAGE OF
09/17/09 14:06:06 ENTITLEMENTS AND HOW THEY'RE
09/17/09 14:06:09 DIVIDED UP AMONGST THE VARIOUS
09/17/09 14:06:09 LAND USES.
09/17/09 14:06:13 AND AS YOU
09/17/09 14:06:16 CAN SEE, IT IS
09/17/09 14:06:16 BROKEN
09/17/09 14:06:19 UP AMONGST THE LAND USES, AND
09/17/09 14:06:20 WHILE 119,000 SQUARE FEET OF
09/17/09 14:06:22 ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE ENTITLEMENTS
09/17/09 14:06:23 SOUNDS SIGNIFICANT, IT'S
09/17/09 14:06:26 IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT
09/17/09 14:06:28 IT'S BROKEN UP BY THE LAND
09/17/09 14:06:28 USES.
09/17/09 14:06:31 FOR INSTANCE, THE
09/17/09 14:06:31 RESTAURANTS
09/17/09 14:06:33 ARE 60,000 SQUARE FEET OF THE
09/17/09 14:06:35 OVERALL APPROXIMATELY 120,000
09/17/09 14:06:36 SQUARE FEET OF ENTITLEMENTS.
09/17/09 14:06:38 SO MORE THAN HALF OF THE
09/17/09 14:06:39 ENTITLEMENTS WILL BE WITHIN
09/17/09 14:06:40 RESTAURANTS AND THAT'S WITHIN
09/17/09 14:06:42 OUR RESTAURANT, WITHIN OUR
09/17/09 14:06:43 LIMITATION ON IT AND THE
09/17/09 14:06:45 REPORTING REQUIREMENT THAT GOES
09/17/09 14:06:45 WITH THAT.
09/17/09 14:06:48 ANOTHER 20,000 SQUARE FEET WILL
09/17/09 14:06:50 BE FOR FOUR COP, BUT THAT WILL
09/17/09 14:06:53 ONLY HAVE TO BE USED IN HOTELS
09/17/09 14:06:54 AND MOTELS.
09/17/09 14:06:56 SO THAT'S 80,000 OR 2/3 OF THE
09/17/09 14:06:57 OVERALL ENTITLEMENTS WILL HAVE
09/17/09 14:06:58 TO BE USED IN EITHER
09/17/09 14:06:59 RESTAURANTS
09/17/09 14:07:00 OR HOTELS AND MOTELS.
09/17/09 14:07:03 SOME 9,000 USES --OR 9,000
09/17/09 14:07:04 SQUARE FEET OF VARIOUS OTHER
09/17/09 14:07:07 USES, AND THEY'RE ALL LISTED ON
09/17/09 14:07:08 THE SPREAD SHEET AS YOU GO DOWN
09/17/09 14:07:09 THE LIST, YOU CAN SEE THE
09/17/09 14:07:11 VARIOUS USES THAT MAY ALSO
09/17/09 14:07:12 AVAIL
09/17/09 14:07:14 THEMSELVES OF THE ALCOHOLIC
09/17/09 14:07:15 BEVERAGE ENTITLEMENTS.
09/17/09 14:07:16 THEY'RE ANOTHER 9,000.
09/17/09 14:07:18 SO BETWEEN THE RESTAURANTS, THE
09/17/09 14:07:21 HOTEL, MOTELS AND MISS LANEIOUS
09/17/09 14:07:23 USES, THEY TOTAL 90,000 SQUARE
09/17/09 14:07:24 FEET OR 75% OF ALL THE
09/17/09 14:07:27 ENTITLEMENTS WILL HAVE TO BE
09/17/09 14:07:27 ANY
09/17/09 14:07:30 USES WHERE THE SALE OF
09/17/09 14:07:31 ALCOHOL
09/17/09 14:07:33 IS INCIDENTAL OR ACCESSORY TO
09/17/09 14:07:34 THE PRINCIPAL USE.
09/17/09 14:07:36 IT'S ONLY WITH RESPECT TO THE
09/17/09 14:07:38 REMAINING 30,000 SQUARE FEET
09/17/09 14:07:40 WHICH IS FOR 4-COP THAT WE'RE
09/17/09 14:07:42 ASKING THOSE BE APPROVED IN
09/17/09 14:07:45 CONNECTION WITH USES IN BARS
09/17/09 14:07:46 AND
09/17/09 14:07:46 LOUNGES.
09/17/09 14:07:50 YOU MAY BE ASKING OR WONDERING
09/17/09 14:07:51 WHY IS THIS PROPOSAL STRUCTURED
09/17/09 14:07:52 THIS WAY, AND THAT'S, OF
09/17/09 14:07:53 COURSE,
09/17/09 14:07:54 A VERY VALID QUESTION.
09/17/09 14:07:55 AND THE PRINCIPAL REASON AND
09/17/09 14:07:57 THE
09/17/09 14:08:00 MAIN REASON IS FOR ECONOMIC
09/17/09 14:08:00 DEVELOPMENT INSENTITIVES.
09/17/09 14:08:03 AS YOU KNOW, THIS PROJECT IS
09/17/09 14:08:05 LOCATE INSIDE A CRA AND EVEN IN
09/17/09 14:08:08 POSITIVE ECONOMIC TIMES IT'S
09/17/09 14:08:10 DIFFICULT TO INSENTITIVIZE
09/17/09 14:08:12 DEVELOPMENT IN A CRA.
09/17/09 14:08:14 YOU CAN IMAGINE IN THIS TIME
09/17/09 14:08:15 AND
09/17/09 14:08:16 IN THIS ECONOMIC DOWNTURN IT'S
09/17/09 14:08:17 EVEN MORE DIFFICULT, AND WE
09/17/09 14:08:19 BELIEVE WITH THE AB
09/17/09 14:08:20 ENTITLEMENTS
09/17/09 14:08:21 BEING APPROVED AS AN OVERALL
09/17/09 14:08:24 POOL THAT WE WILL BE ABLE TO
09/17/09 14:08:26 ATTRACT PIONEER TENANTS, IF YOU
09/17/09 14:08:27 WILL, THE MOM AND POPS, THAT
09/17/09 14:08:29 WILL COME IN AND LOCATE WITHOUT
09/17/09 14:08:31 HAVING TO GO THROUGH THE TIME
09/17/09 14:08:32 AND EXPENSE OF HAVING TO COME
09/17/09 14:08:34 BACK TO CITY COUNCIL AND OBTAIN
09/17/09 14:08:36 THE ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE
09/17/09 14:08:36 ENTITLEMENTS.
09/17/09 14:08:38 SO FIRST AND FOREMOST, WE THINK
09/17/09 14:08:41 IT'S AN ECONOMIC
09/17/09 14:08:41 DEVELOPMENT
09/17/09 14:08:41 INCENTIVE.
09/17/09 14:08:42 SECONDLY, WE THINK IT ALLOWS
09/17/09 14:08:43 THE
09/17/09 14:08:44 DEVELOPER TO MASTER PLAN THE
09/17/09 14:08:46 ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE
09/17/09 14:08:48 ESTABLISHMENTS WITHIN THIS
09/17/09 14:08:49 PROJECT, THE SAME WAY THEY'RE
09/17/09 14:08:51 GOING TO MASTER PLAN THE LAND
09/17/09 14:08:51 USES.
09/17/09 14:08:52 BY DOING THAT, IT ALLOWS HIM TO
09/17/09 14:08:54 ENSURE THAT YOU DON'T HAVE
09/17/09 14:08:56 COMPETING ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE
09/17/09 14:08:57 ESTABLISHMENTS, SOMEWHAT LIKE
09/17/09 14:08:59 YOU HAVE IN YBOR WHERE EACH
09/17/09 14:09:00 ESTABLISHMENT IS TRYING TO
09/17/09 14:09:01 OUTDO
09/17/09 14:09:01 THE PERSON NEXT DOOR.
09/17/09 14:09:04 SO IT ALLOWS A MASTER PLANNING
09/17/09 14:09:05 OF THE ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES
09/17/09 14:09:06 ESTABLISHMENTS.
09/17/09 14:09:08 LAST, IT GIVES THE DEVELOPER
09/17/09 14:09:08 FLEXIBILITY WHENEVER USES
09/17/09 14:09:09 CHANGE
09/17/09 14:09:12 TO BE ABLE TO MOVE THE AB
09/17/09 14:09:13 ENTITLEMENTS TO OTHER LOCATIONS
09/17/09 14:09:14 WITHIN THE PROJECT.
09/17/09 14:09:16 AND WE'VE HEARD SEVERAL
09/17/09 14:09:17 DIFFERENT CONCERNS ABOUT OUR
09/17/09 14:09:19 PROPOSAL AND ABOUT THE WAY IT'S
09/17/09 14:09:20 STRUCTURED.
09/17/09 14:09:22 ONE OF THEM WAS IT'S AN
09/17/09 14:09:22 UMBRELLA
09/17/09 14:09:24 APPROACH TO ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE
09/17/09 14:09:26 ENTITLEMENTS AND WE THINK THAT
09/17/09 14:09:27 THERE IS ACTUALLY A BENEFIT TO
09/17/09 14:09:28 THAT, AND THAT IS THAT YOU'RE
09/17/09 14:09:30 GOING TO HAVE A UNIFORM SET OF
09/17/09 14:09:32 CONDITIONS THAT ARE GOING TO
09/17/09 14:09:34 APPLY TO ALL AB ESTABLISHMENTS
09/17/09 14:09:36 WITHIN THIS ENTIRE AREA, AND
09/17/09 14:09:37 IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A
09/17/09 14:09:38 SITUATION
09/17/09 14:09:39 LIKE YOU HAVE IN MOST OF THE
09/17/09 14:09:40 REST OF THE CITY WHERE ONE
09/17/09 14:09:42 RESTAURANT HAS CERTAIN HOURS OF
09/17/09 14:09:44 OPERATION AND CERTAIN
09/17/09 14:09:46 LIMITATIONS AND THE PLACE NEXT
09/17/09 14:09:47 DOOR HAS A DIFFERENT SET, YOU
09/17/09 14:09:48 WILL BE ABLE TO HAVE A UNIFORM
09/17/09 14:09:51 SET OF CONDITIONS THAT WILL
09/17/09 14:09:53 APPLY PROJECT WIDER IN THIS
09/17/09 14:09:55 NEIGHBORHOOD WHEN IT'S
09/17/09 14:09:55 EVENTUALLY DEVELOPED.
09/17/09 14:09:57 IT ALSO ALLOWS YOU THE --THE
09/17/09 14:09:58 UMBRELLA APPROACH ALSO ALLOWS
09/17/09 14:09:59 YOU TO HOLD ONE PERSON
09/17/09 14:10:01 ACCOUNTABLE FOR ANY WRONGDOING
09/17/09 14:10:02 OF ANY OF THE ESTABLISHMENTS.
09/17/09 14:10:04 AND LAST, THE PIECEMEAL
09/17/09 14:10:05 APPROACH
09/17/09 14:10:07 YOU TYPICALLY HAVE OR THE
09/17/09 14:10:08 ACTUAL
09/17/09 14:10:08 INDIVIDUAL THAT INTENDS TO
09/17/09 14:10:11 OPERATE THE AB ESTABLISHMENT
09/17/09 14:10:13 COMES IN AND ASKS FOR YOUR
09/17/09 14:10:14 APPROVAL, I THINK WHAT IT DOES
09/17/09 14:10:15 IS GIVE YOU A FALSE SENSE OF
09/17/09 14:10:16 SECURITY THAT YOU'RE HEARING
09/17/09 14:10:18 FROM THAT INDIVIDUAL, THEY'RE
09/17/09 14:10:19 GOING TO TELL YOU WHAT KIND OF
09/17/09 14:10:21 USE YOU'RE GOING TO PUT IN THAT
09/17/09 14:10:21 ESTABLISHMENT, BUT YOU DON'T
09/17/09 14:10:23 KNOW IF A MONTH FROM THEN OR
09/17/09 14:10:23 TWO
09/17/09 14:10:25 MONTHS FROM THEN OR A YEAR FROM
09/17/09 14:10:27 THEN IF THEY'RE GOING TO BE THE
09/17/09 14:10:27 SAME OPERATORS.
09/17/09 14:10:29 THOSE ENTITLEMENTS RUN WITH THE
09/17/09 14:10:29 LAND.
09/17/09 14:10:31 I THINK IT'S SOMEWHAT OF A
09/17/09 14:10:31 FALSE
09/17/09 14:10:32 SENSE OF SECURITY WHEN
09/17/09 14:10:34 INDIVIDUAL OPERATORS COME IN
09/17/09 14:10:34 AND
09/17/09 14:10:35 APPLY BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW
09/17/09 14:10:36 WHETHER THOSE ARE GOING TO BE
09/17/09 14:10:38 THE SAME OPERATORS A MONTH FROM
09/17/09 14:10:41 NOW OR A YEAR
09/17/09 14:10:42 FROM NOW.
09/17/09 14:10:44 WE HAD ALSO HEARD A CONCERN
09/17/09 14:10:46 ABOUT THIS SETS A PRECEDENT.
09/17/09 14:10:48 AND WE HAVE GONE TO GREAT
09/17/09 14:10:50 LENGTHS TO TRY TO DISTINGUISH
09/17/09 14:10:52 THIS FROM ANY OTHER TYPE OF
09/17/09 14:10:53 APPLICATION THAT MAY COME
09/17/09 14:10:54 BEFORE
09/17/09 14:10:54 YOU.
09/17/09 14:10:55 ONE THING WE DID AND SOMETHING
09/17/09 14:10:56 WE'RE WILLING TO DO AND TO
09/17/09 14:10:57 OFFER
09/17/09 14:11:00 TO YOU IS WE'VE DRAFTED RECITAL
09/17/09 14:11:02 CLAUSES THAT COULD BE INKORMTED
09/17/09 14:11:05 INTO THE ORDINANCE, IF YOU SO
09/17/09 14:11:06 DESIRE, WHICH DISTINGUISHES
09/17/09 14:11:07 THIS
09/17/09 14:11:07 PROJECT FROM OTHERS.
09/17/09 14:11:09 FIRST AND FOREMOST, THE CRA,
09/17/09 14:11:12 SECONDLY THE PDA ZONING, THE
09/17/09 14:11:13 PDA
09/17/09 14:11:13 ACTUALLY ANTICIPATED IN ONE OF
09/17/09 14:11:16 THE NOTES IN THE
09/17/09 14:11:17 PDA THAT
09/17/09 14:11:18 ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE APPLICATIONS
09/17/09 14:11:19 WOULD BE FILED.
09/17/09 14:11:20 THE OTHER THING IS THERE'S A
09/17/09 14:11:21 DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT IS
09/17/09 14:11:23 ASSOCIATED WITH THIS PROJECT
09/17/09 14:11:24 AND
09/17/09 14:11:25 THAT REQUIRES CERTAIN DIFFERENT
09/17/09 14:11:26 VARIOUS IMPROVEMENTS TO BE
09/17/09 14:11:27 MADE.
09/17/09 14:11:28 IF COUNCIL WAS SO INCLINED, WE
09/17/09 14:11:29 WOULD EVEN BE WILLING TO
09/17/09 14:11:30 INCORPORATE INTO THAT
09/17/09 14:11:31 DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT ANY
09/17/09 14:11:33 CONDITIONS YOU THOUGHT WERE
09/17/09 14:11:33 NECESSARY.
09/17/09 14:11:35 WE THINK IT'S SUFFICIENT TO PUT
09/17/09 14:11:38 THEM ON A SITE PLAN, IF YOU
09/17/09 14:11:39 THIS --BUT IF THAT DOESN'T
09/17/09 14:11:39 GIVE
09/17/09 14:11:40 YOU THE LEVEL OF COMFORT YOU
09/17/09 14:11:42 NEED WITH THIS PROPOSAL, THEN
09/17/09 14:11:44 WE'D BE WILLING TO INCORPORATE
09/17/09 14:11:45 THEM INTO THE DEVELOPMENT
09/17/09 14:11:46 AGREEMENT.
09/17/09 14:11:47 WE THINK THOSE THREE FACTORS,
09/17/09 14:11:49 THE PDA, THE CRA AND THE
09/17/09 14:11:52 AGREEMENT YOU WILL LIKELY NOT
09/17/09 14:11:53 HAVE ANOTHER PROJECT COME
09/17/09 14:11:53 BEFORE
09/17/09 14:11:56 YOU WITH THIS TYPE OF PROPOSAL.
09/17/09 14:11:57 ONE OF THE OTHER CONCERNS WE
09/17/09 14:12:00 HEARD WAS THAT IT COULD CREATE
09/17/09 14:12:01 AN YBOR-LIKE ENVIRONMENT
09/17/09 14:12:02 BECAUSE
09/17/09 14:12:05 OF THE SIZE OF THE AB
09/17/09 14:12:05 ENTITLEMENTS.
09/17/09 14:12:06 I THINK IT DOES THE OPPOSITE.
09/17/09 14:12:07 IT ALLOWS THE DEVELOPER TO
09/17/09 14:12:09 MASTER PLAN THE AB
09/17/09 14:12:09 ESTABLISHMENT
09/17/09 14:12:12 AND ALLOWS HIM TO ENSURE
09/17/09 14:12:13 THAT
09/17/09 14:12:16 USES ARE NOT COMBATABLE WITH
09/17/09 14:12:16 ONE
09/17/09 14:12:18 ANOTHER, AB USES THAT ARE NOT
09/17/09 14:12:19 COMBATABLE WITH ONE ANOTHER
09/17/09 14:12:19 WILL
09/17/09 14:12:22 NOT BE LOCATED ADJACENT TO
09/17/09 14:12:23 ONE
09/17/09 14:12:24 ANOTHER.
09/17/09 14:12:24 IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO
09/17/09 14:12:25 UNDERSTAND THAT ALL OF THESE
09/17/09 14:12:27 ESTABLISHMENTS ARE NOT GOING TO
09/17/09 14:12:28 BE LOCATED ON THIS SITE AT ONE
09/17/09 14:12:29 TIME.
09/17/09 14:12:30 THIS PROJECT WILL BE PHASED IN,
09/17/09 14:12:32 IT'S A PDA WHICH MEANS IT GOES
09/17/09 14:12:33 THROUGH INCREMENTAL REVIEWS,
09/17/09 14:12:35 IT'S A BUBBLE PLAN.
09/17/09 14:12:36 WE DON'T EVEN KNOW AT THIS
09/17/09 14:12:36 STAGE
09/17/09 14:12:38 WHERE THE LAND USES ARE GOING
09/17/09 14:12:38 TO
09/17/09 14:12:38 GO.
09/17/09 14:12:40 BUT THEY COME IN PERIODICALLY
09/17/09 14:12:42 FOR INCREMENTAL REVIEWS AS THE
09/17/09 14:12:42 PROJECT DEVELOPS.
09/17/09 14:12:44 YOU WILL NOT HAVE A SLEW OF AB
09/17/09 14:12:46 ENTITLEMENTS OR AB
09/17/09 14:12:47 ESTABLISHMENTS BEING LOCATED ON
09/17/09 14:12:49 THE PROJECT ALL AT ONCE.
09/17/09 14:12:50 TOUCH BRIEFLY ON THE CONDITIONS
09/17/09 14:12:52 AND LIMITATIONS WE HAVE IN THIS
09/17/09 14:12:53 AB SPREAD SHEET.
09/17/09 14:12:55 AS YOU CAN SEE, SPECIAL
09/17/09 14:12:56 CONDITIONS RELATE TODAY EACH
09/17/09 14:12:56 USE
09/17/09 14:12:57 WHICH INCLUDE HOURS OF
09/17/09 14:12:58 OPERATION, THE FACT THAT --OR
09/17/09 14:13:01 THE CONDITION THAT AB USES
09/17/09 14:13:02 ARE
09/17/09 14:13:04 INCIDENTAL TO THE PRINCIPAL USE
09/17/09 14:13:06 AND THAT'S FOR 75% OF THE
09/17/09 14:13:07 OVERALL ENTITLEMENTS, THE
09/17/09 14:13:08 ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES HAVE TO BE
09/17/09 14:13:09 INCIDENTAL TO THE PRINCIPAL USE
09/17/09 14:13:12 OF THE PROPERTY.
09/17/09 14:13:14 IMPORTANTLY, WE ALSO --WE WERE
09/17/09 14:13:15 REQUESTED BY THE TAMPA HEIGHTS
09/17/09 14:13:17 CIVIC ASSOCIATION TO
09/17/09 14:13:17 INCORPORATE
09/17/09 14:13:18 A CONDITION AND THEIR CONDITION
09/17/09 14:13:20 WAS THAT THEY WANTED NO MORE
09/17/09 14:13:22 THAN 5% OF THE AB ENTITLEMENTS
09/17/09 14:13:24 TO BE LOCATED NORTH OF PALM
09/17/09 14:13:25 AVENUE.
09/17/09 14:13:26 WE'RE WILLING TO DO THAT, AND
09/17/09 14:13:28 THEY ALSO WANTED TO MAKE SURE
09/17/09 14:13:30 IT
09/17/09 14:13:33 WAS NO MORE THAN 2-COP AND
09/17/09 14:13:33 WE'RE
09/17/09 14:13:35 WILLING TO DO THAT AS WELL.
09/17/09 14:13:38 AND THE LIST OF LIMITATIONS,
09/17/09 14:13:39 WE'VE INCORPORATED THEIR
09/17/09 14:13:40 REQUEST
09/17/09 14:13:40 INTO THAT.
09/17/09 14:13:41 REPORTING, THIS IS THE LAST
09/17/09 14:13:43 ISSUE I'LL TOUCH ON, THAT WE'VE
09/17/09 14:13:45 SET UP --WE'VE STRUCTURED IT
09/17/09 14:13:46 IN
09/17/09 14:13:47 SUCH A WAY THAT WITH THE HELP
09/17/09 14:13:47 OF
09/17/09 14:13:49 THE CITY, I HAVE TO TELL YOU
09/17/09 14:13:51 THEY WERE VERY HELPFUL IN THIS
09/17/09 14:13:53 REGARD, AND WE STRUCTURED A
09/17/09 14:13:54 REPORTING SYSTEM WHERE WE WILL
09/17/09 14:13:56 USE THE SAME AB SPREAD SHEET
09/17/09 14:13:57 AND
09/17/09 14:13:58 EVERY TIME SOMEONE COMES IN FOR
09/17/09 14:14:00 THEIR STATE LICENSE, THEY WILL
09/17/09 14:14:02 HAVE TO IDENTIFY WHICH OF THESE
09/17/09 14:14:03 ENTITLEMENTS THEY'LL BE DRAWING
09/17/09 14:14:04 DOWN FROM, MUCH LIKE YOU DO
09/17/09 14:14:05 WITH
09/17/09 14:14:07 THE DRI WHERE YOU DRAW DOWN
09/17/09 14:14:10 ENTITLEMENTS FROM VARIOUS LAND
09/17/09 14:14:13 USES, THEY HAVE TO IDENTIFY
09/17/09 14:14:13 WHICH ENTITLEMENTS THEY'RE
09/17/09 14:14:14 DRAWING DOWN FROM, INCLUDE
09/17/09 14:14:15 THEIR
09/17/09 14:14:17 NAME AND OTHER SPECIFICS THAT
09/17/09 14:14:19 THEY WOULD HAVE IF THEY
09/17/09 14:14:20 INDIVIDUALLY APPLIED.
09/17/09 14:14:23 ALSO, IF THE --ANNUALLY, WE
09/17/09 14:14:24 WILL ALSO DO THE SAME THING SO
09/17/09 14:14:25 THE CITY WILL HAVE A RUNNING
09/17/09 14:14:28 LIST AS OPPOSED TO A PIECEMEAL
09/17/09 14:14:28 LIST.
09/17/09 14:14:30 LASTLY, WE'LL DO THE RESTAURANT
09/17/09 14:14:30 REPORTING.
09/17/09 14:14:31 WE'RE WILLING TO DO THAT FOR
09/17/09 14:14:32 ALL
09/17/09 14:14:32 OF THE RESTAURANTS THAT ARE
09/17/09 14:14:35 GOING TO BE IN THIS PROJECT.
09/17/09 14:14:38 ENFORCEMENT WHICH WAS THE BIG
09/17/09 14:14:39 ISSUE THAT KIND OF TRIPPED US
09/17/09 14:14:40 UP
09/17/09 14:14:42 THE LAST TIME, THE ENFORCEMENT
09/17/09 14:14:43 MECHANISMS YOU HAVE ARE THE
09/17/09 14:14:44 SAME
09/17/09 14:14:45 THAT YOU WOULD ORDINARILY HAVE
09/17/09 14:14:48 WHICH IS REVOCATION, YOU COULD
09/17/09 14:14:50 CITE BOTH THE PROPERTY OWNER,
09/17/09 14:14:52 THE VIOLATOR, THE TENANT.
09/17/09 14:14:54 WE ALSO HAVE, I THINK, WHICH IS
09/17/09 14:14:56 SOMETHING WHICH IS A VERY HUGE
09/17/09 14:14:58 HAMMER FOR ENFORCEMENT AND THAT
09/17/09 14:15:00 IS THAT ONE PERSON, ONE
09/17/09 14:15:02 INDIVIDUAL IS RESPONSIBLE UNDER
09/17/09 14:15:05 THIS SPECIAL USE APPLICATION
09/17/09 14:15:05 FOR
09/17/09 14:15:07 COMPLIANCE FOR ALL OF THE
09/17/09 14:15:09 ESTABLISHMENTS, NOT JUST FOR
09/17/09 14:15:09 ONE
09/17/09 14:15:10 ESTABLISHMENT.
09/17/09 14:15:12 SO THE THREAT THAT THE ENTIRE
09/17/09 14:15:14 ORDINANCE COULD BE REVOKED OR
09/17/09 14:15:15 RESCINDED IS, I THINK, A HUGE
09/17/09 14:15:17 HAMMER THAT YOU HAVE TO ENSURE
09/17/09 14:15:19 THAT THIS DEVELOPER WILL ACT
09/17/09 14:15:19 RESPONSIBLY.
09/17/09 14:15:21 AND LAST, IF THE PROPERTY IS
09/17/09 14:15:22 SOLD, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER,
09/17/09 14:15:24 THE AB ENTITLEMENTS WILL BECOME
09/17/09 14:15:26 PERMANENT AND THEY WILL BE
09/17/09 14:15:27 PERMANENTLY ALLOCATED TO A
09/17/09 14:15:29 SPECIFIC PIECE OF PROPERTY IF
09/17/09 14:15:31 IT'S PURCHASED AND THE POOL OF
09/17/09 14:15:32 ENTITLEMENTS WILL BE DECREASED
09/17/09 14:15:34 BY THAT AMOUNT.
09/17/09 14:15:36 WE HAVE ASKED FOR THREE
09/17/09 14:15:37 WAIVERS.
09/17/09 14:15:40 WE'VE ASKED FOR WAIVERS
09/17/09 14:15:40 FROM
09/17/09 14:15:42 1,000 FEET TO 64 FEET FROM
09/17/09 14:15:42 OTHER
09/17/09 14:15:43 AB ESTABLISHMENTS AND FROM
09/17/09 14:15:44 1,000
09/17/09 14:15:46 FEET TO ZERO FOR RESIDENTIAL
09/17/09 14:15:46 AND
09/17/09 14:15:48 1,000 FEET TO ZERO FOR
09/17/09 14:15:50 INSTITUTIONAL USES IN THE
09/17/09 14:15:51 APPLICATION PACKAGE WE
09/17/09 14:15:52 SUBMITTED
09/17/09 14:15:54 WHAT WAS CALLED SCHEDULE 1 TO
09/17/09 14:15:56 EXHIBIT D WHICH ADDRESSES HOW
09/17/09 14:15:59 EACH OF THE SPECIAL USE
09/17/09 14:16:01 CONDITIONS IN 27-272 HAVE BEEN
09/17/09 14:16:04 MET AS WELL AS THE GENERAL
09/17/09 14:16:06 STANDARDS IN 27269, WE'VE
09/17/09 14:16:07 ESTABLISHED HOW THOSE STANDARDS
09/17/09 14:16:09 WERE ALSO MET.
09/17/09 14:16:12 I ALSO HAVE FOR YOU
09/17/09 14:16:13 A COPY OF
09/17/09 14:16:15 ALL OF OUR LETTERS OF SUPPORT.
09/17/09 14:16:17 AND I THINK DARREN WILL HAND
09/17/09 14:16:18 THEM OUT TO YOU.
09/17/09 14:16:20 BUT I WANT TO POINT OUT HOW
09/17/09 14:16:21 HARD
09/17/09 14:16:23 HE'S WORKED TO MEET WITH
09/17/09 14:16:24 DIFFERENT MEMBERS OF THE
09/17/09 14:16:26 COMMUNITY AND EXPLAIN THIS
09/17/09 14:16:28 PROJECT TO THEM, AND AS A
09/17/09 14:16:29 RESULT
09/17/09 14:16:31 WE HAVE LETTERS OF SUPPORT FROM
09/17/09 14:16:33 THE TAMPA HEIGHTS CIVIC
09/17/09 14:16:34 ASSOCIATION, FROM THE BECK
09/17/09 14:16:34 GROUP
09/17/09 14:16:36 WHO IS ALREADY BUILDING THEIR
09/17/09 14:16:39 OFFICE BUILDING IN THIS
09/17/09 14:16:40 PROJECT,
09/17/09 14:16:42 FROM THE TAMPA HEIGHTS
09/17/09 14:16:44 STEWARDSHIP TEAM, FROM THE
09/17/09 14:16:44 ASSISTANT PRINCIPAL FROM BLAKE
09/17/09 14:16:45 HIGH SCHOOL RIGHT ACROSS THE
09/17/09 14:16:46 WATER FROM THE PROJECT.
09/17/09 14:16:48 WE ALSO HAVE A LETTER OF
09/17/09 14:16:48 SUPPORT
09/17/09 14:16:51 FROM BUSH ROSS, THAT'S THE LAW
09/17/09 14:16:52 FIRM THAT'S ADJACENT TO THE
09/17/09 14:16:53 PROJECT AND WE HAVE A LETTER
09/17/09 14:16:55 FROM THE PERFORMING ARTS
09/17/09 14:16:55 CENTER.
09/17/09 14:16:58 I THINK WHAT ALL OF THOSE
09/17/09 14:16:58 ENTITIES RECOGNIZE IS THAT YOU
09/17/09 14:17:01 NEED TO HAVE THE RESTAURANTS
09/17/09 14:17:02 WHICH SELL ALCOHOL AND THE
09/17/09 14:17:02 OTHER
09/17/09 14:17:04 TYPES OF USES THAT SELL ALCOHOL
09/17/09 14:17:07 IN ORDER TO BE
09/17/09 14:17:09 A CATALYST TO
09/17/09 14:17:09 GET
09/17/09 14:17:10 THIS PROJECT TO MOVE FORWARD.
09/17/09 14:17:12 WITH THAT, WE WOULD ASK FOR
09/17/09 14:17:12 YOUR
09/17/09 14:17:13 APPROVAL.
09/17/09 14:17:14 IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'LL
09/17/09 14:17:17 BE HAPPY TO
09/17/09 14:17:19 ANSWER THEM.
09/17/09 14:17:20 >> YES.
09/17/09 14:17:20 >> THANK YOU.
09/17/09 14:17:24 >> I THINK THIS IS EXTREMELY
09/17/09 14:17:25 INNOVATIVE AND IN ALL THE YEARS
09/17/09 14:17:26 OF COUNCIL I'VE NEVER SEEN A
09/17/09 14:17:27 REQUEST LIKE THIS.
09/17/09 14:17:29 BUT IT MAKES SENSE IN THE VERY
09/17/09 14:17:32 SPECIFIC CONTEXT OF THIS CRA
09/17/09 14:17:34 DISTRICT, THIS CONP FIGURATION
09/17/09 14:17:35 OF --CONFIGURATION OF
09/17/09 14:17:36 PROPERTY.
09/17/09 14:17:38 THE ONE ISSUE THAT WE'VE COME
09/17/09 14:17:38 UP
09/17/09 14:17:40 AGAINST SPECIFICALLY IN HYDE
09/17/09 14:17:41 PARK, FOR EXAMPLE, WAS YOU HAD
09/17/09 14:17:42 A
09/17/09 14:17:43 RESTAURANT THAT WAS GOING TO BE
09/17/09 14:17:44 OPEN LATE, THAT WAS PROBABLY
09/17/09 14:17:46 GOING TO BE NOISY, AND NEXT TO
09/17/09 14:17:49 IT WERE SOME PEOPLE WHO DIDN'T
09/17/09 14:17:50 ANTICIPATE THAT THIS WAS GOING
09/17/09 14:17:52 TO BE HAPPENING AND THEY
09/17/09 14:17:52 WEREN'T
09/17/09 14:17:54 OVERWHELMED WITH THE IDEA THAT
09/17/09 14:17:56 THERE WERE GOING TO BE PARTYERS
09/17/09 14:17:59 DOWNSTAIRS UNTIL 3:00 IN THE
09/17/09 14:17:59 MORNING.
09/17/09 14:18:00 NOW, IN THIS CASE, YOU ALL HAVE
09/17/09 14:18:01 CONTROL OVER THE ENTIRE
09/17/09 14:18:04 PROPERTY, SO YOU KNOW --
09/17/09 14:18:05 SO HOW
09/17/09 14:18:07 WILL YOU LET THE RESIDENTIAL
09/17/09 14:18:09 FOLKS KNOW IF THERE'S GOING TO
09/17/09 14:18:12 BE A RESTAURANT THAT'S
09/17/09 14:18:13 MOVING
09/17/09 14:18:13 IN?
09/17/09 14:18:14 BECAUSE THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO
09/17/09 14:18:17 COME TO US FOR A PUBLIC HEARING
09/17/09 14:18:18 AND SAY WE DIDN'T KNOW THAT
09/17/09 14:18:21 THERE WAS GOING TO BE A NOISY
09/17/09 14:18:23 PLACE NEXT TO US.
09/17/09 14:18:25 >> I THINK THE BEST WAY TO
09/17/09 14:18:26 ANSWER THAT IS THAT IT'S GOING
09/17/09 14:18:29 TO BE A MIXED USE PROJECT,
09/17/09 14:18:30 SORT
09/17/09 14:18:32 OF THE WAY CHANNELSIDE
09/17/09 14:18:32 DEVELOPED.
09/17/09 14:18:34 A LOT OF PEOPLE MOVED INTO
09/17/09 14:18:35 CHANNELSIDE AND THEY KNEW THERE
09/17/09 14:18:38 WERE ALL KINDS OF COMMERCIAL
09/17/09 14:18:40 ESTABLISHMENTS SURROUNDING OR
09/17/09 14:18:42 WITHIN THAT AREA AND IT'S AN
09/17/09 14:18:43 URBAN ENVIRONMENT AND I THINK
09/17/09 14:18:44 THAT'S SOMETHING THAT MOST
09/17/09 14:18:46 PEOPLE WHO BUY INTO A MIXED USE
09/17/09 14:18:47 PROJECT RECOGNIZE UP FRONT.
09/17/09 14:18:49 THE OFFICE BUILDINGS ARE
09/17/09 14:18:49 ALREADY
09/17/09 14:18:51 UNDER WAY AND THERE, SO THEY'LL
09/17/09 14:18:53 KNOW THAT.
09/17/09 14:18:54 THE RESTAURANTS ARE WHAT ARE
09/17/09 14:18:56 SLATED NEXT TO DEVELOP.
09/17/09 14:18:58 SO THE RESIDENTS WILL NOT BE
09/17/09 14:19:00 COMING UP, I'M CERTAIN, WITH
09/17/09 14:19:01 THIS ECONOMY FOR SOME TIME.
09/17/09 14:19:04 SO I WOULD THINK THAT
09/17/09 14:19:05 A LARGE
09/17/09 14:19:06 PORTION OF THE RESTAURANTS MAY,
09/17/09 14:19:08 IN FACT, EXIST BEFORE THE
09/17/09 14:19:09 RESIDENTS ARE ACTUALLY RESIDING
09/17/09 14:19:11 IN THIS AREA.
09/17/09 14:19:12 BUT WHAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO DO
09/17/09 14:19:14 WOULD BE TO COME IN AND LOOK AT
09/17/09 14:19:17 OR SEE THE INCREMENTAL
09/17/09 14:19:18 PDA SITE
09/17/09 14:19:19 PLAN THAT SHOWS WHERE THE
09/17/09 14:19:21 VARIOUS USES CAN BE LOCATED.
09/17/09 14:19:23 >> THE PD SITE PLAN IS GOING TO
09/17/09 14:19:25 GOVERN WHERE THE COMMERCIAL
09/17/09 14:19:25 USES
09/17/09 14:19:27 GO AND WHEREVER THE COMMERCIAL
09/17/09 14:19:30 USES GO IS THEN WHERE THE
09/17/09 14:19:31 CHOB
09/17/09 14:19:32 ESTABLISHMENTS COULD LIKEWISE
09/17/09 14:19:33 --
09/17/09 14:19:33 ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE
09/17/09 14:19:35 ESTABLISHMENTS COULD LIKEWISE
09/17/09 14:19:36 GO.
09/17/09 14:19:37 THERE'S NO WAY TO SEE FROM THE
09/17/09 14:19:38 BUBBLE PLAN, THERE'S NO WAY TO
09/17/09 14:19:39 KNOW THAT IN ADVANCE.
09/17/09 14:19:41 >> BUT YOU'RE BASICALLY TELLING
09/17/09 14:19:43 US THAT MOST LIKELY THE
09/17/09 14:19:44 RESTAURANTS AND BARS WILL BE
09/17/09 14:19:46 THERE BEFORE THE RESIDENTS SO
09/17/09 14:19:47 THE RESIDENTS WILL HAVE PLENTY
09/17/09 14:19:48 OF AWARENESS WHEN THEY'RE
09/17/09 14:19:50 LOOKING AT BUYING A PLACE AT
09/17/09 14:19:51 WHAT'S ALREADY THERE AND
09/17/09 14:19:51 THEY'LL
09/17/09 14:19:53 BE ABLE TO ASSESS DO I LIKE
09/17/09 14:19:53 THIS
09/17/09 14:19:56 LIVELINESS OR DO I WANT TO BUY
09/17/09 14:19:57 ON THE NORTHERN SIDE OF PALM
09/17/09 14:19:59 WHERE IT'S QUIETER?
09/17/09 14:20:00 >> I THINK JUST THE WAY THE
09/17/09 14:20:01 DEVELOPERS PLANNED THE PROJECT
09/17/09 14:20:03 IS A LOT OF THE RESIDENTIAL IS
09/17/09 14:20:05 GOING TO BE SORT OF UP HIGHER
09/17/09 14:20:06 AND FURTHER BACK FROM THE WATER
09/17/09 14:20:08 WHERE MOST OF THE COMMERCIAL
09/17/09 14:20:09 USES WILL BE IN AND AROUND,
09/17/09 14:20:10 SURROUNDING THE WATER.
09/17/09 14:20:12 DARREN, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU
09/17/09 14:20:12 WANT
09/17/09 14:20:15 TO ADD ANY MORE
09/17/09 14:20:17 TO THAT.
09/17/09 14:20:20 >> DARREN BOOTH, PROJECT
09/17/09 14:20:20 MANAGER.
09/17/09 14:20:22 I'VE BEEN SWORN IN.
09/17/09 14:20:23 ABSOLUTELY THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN
09/17/09 14:20:24 IS THAT THE SMALL CAFES ARE
09/17/09 14:20:27 SHOWING UP ALONG THE WATER,
09/17/09 14:20:27 AND
09/17/09 14:20:29 THAT'S THE SALES MARKETING
09/17/09 14:20:31 CENTER FOR THE PROJECT IS THE
09/17/09 14:20:33 GREAT FOOD AT THE ITALIAN PLACE
09/17/09 14:20:36 OR THE GILATO PLACE OR THE
09/17/09 14:20:36 GREAT
09/17/09 14:20:37 PLACE YOU GO FOR SUNDAY BRUNCH.
09/17/09 14:20:39 SO IT WILL BE THOSE CAFES THAT
09/17/09 14:20:41 WILL BE STARTING UP OVER THE
09/17/09 14:20:43 NEXT SEVERAL YEARS THAT WILL
09/17/09 14:20:45 CONTINUE THE MOMENTUM OF THE
09/17/09 14:20:47 PROJECT, AND SO FOLKS WILL
09/17/09 14:20:48 ARRIVE SPECIFICALLY FOR THAT
09/17/09 14:20:48 AND
09/17/09 14:20:49 YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT,
09/17/09 14:20:51 THEY'LL
09/17/09 14:20:54 BE ABLE TO CHOOSE ONE OF THESE
09/17/09 14:20:56 STREET BLOCKS, SOME OF MY
09/17/09 14:20:56 FAVORITE RESTAURANTS, A BLOCK
09/17/09 14:20:58 AND A HALF OR RIGHT OVER THE
09/17/09 14:20:58 TOP
09/17/09 14:21:01 OF IT WHERE I'LL BE AWARE I CAN
09/17/09 14:21:03 SMELL GARLIC.
09/17/09 14:21:03 THANK YOU.
09/17/09 14:21:06 >> ANY
09/17/09 14:21:09 OTHER QUESTIONS?
09/17/09 14:21:12 LET ME ASK MR. FLETCHER
09/17/09 14:21:14 IF HE
09/17/09 14:21:17 COULD SPEAK TO THIS
09/17/09 14:21:17 ISSUE.
09/17/09 14:21:20 I'M NOT
09/17/09 14:21:22 THERE YET.
09/17/09 14:21:23 NUMBER ONE, I SEE A NUMBER OF
09/17/09 14:21:25 ISSUES RELATIVE TO CHURCHES
09/17/09 14:21:25 HERE
09/17/09 14:21:27 THAT ARE LOCATED, TWO CHURCHES,
09/17/09 14:21:30 A HEAD
09/17/09 14:21:32 START CENTER, AND I'M
09/17/09 14:21:35 JUST STRUGGLING WITH
09/17/09 14:21:35 THIS.
09/17/09 14:21:38 COULD YOU SPEAK TO SOME OF
09/17/09 14:21:40 THE
09/17/09 14:21:42 ISSUES HERE IN TERMS OF THE
09/17/09 14:21:45 COUNCIL
09/17/09 14:21:45 MOVING FORWARD?
09/17/09 14:21:47 >> I GUESS I'LL START OUT WITH
09/17/09 14:21:48 I
09/17/09 14:21:49 HAD PREVIOUSLY PROVIDED YOU ALL
09/17/09 14:21:51 A MEMO ABOUT ENFORCEMENT.
09/17/09 14:21:52 THAT ISSUE HAS BEEN RESOLVED.
09/17/09 14:21:54 I DO WANT TO CLARIFY ONE POINT,
09/17/09 14:21:56 THOUGH, BECAUSE IT'S SLIGHTLY
09/17/09 14:21:59 DIFFERENT THAN WHAT MS. GRIMES
09/17/09 14:21:59 SAID.
09/17/09 14:22:00 IN ADDITION TO BEING ABLE TO
09/17/09 14:22:02 REVOKE THE ENTIRE PERMIT, WE
09/17/09 14:22:04 WOULD HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO DO
09/17/09 14:22:04 THAT.
09/17/09 14:22:05 WE HAVE CREATED A PROCESS
09/17/09 14:22:07 WHEREBY IF THERE WAS ONE OF THE
09/17/09 14:22:09 OPERATORS THAT WERE CREATING A
09/17/09 14:22:10 PROBLEM THAT WERE OPERATING IN
09/17/09 14:22:12 VIOLATION, WE COULD ALSO
09/17/09 14:22:13 ENFORCE
09/17/09 14:22:13 AGAINST THAT INDIVIDUAL
09/17/09 14:22:14 PROPERTY
09/17/09 14:22:16 OWNER OR THAT INDIVIDUAL
09/17/09 14:22:17 OPERATOR WITHOUT HAVING A RISK
09/17/09 14:22:20 OF LIABILITY FOR SHUTTING DOWN
09/17/09 14:22:22 OTHER OPERATORS THAT WERE
09/17/09 14:22:23 OPERATING PROPERLY.
09/17/09 14:22:24 SO WE DID RESOLVE THAT ISSUE,
09/17/09 14:22:26 AND I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT
09/17/09 14:22:29 WAS CLEAR ON
09/17/09 14:22:31 THE RECORD.
09/17/09 14:22:34 I THINK THE QUESTION
09/17/09 14:22:35 TO ADDRESS
09/17/09 14:22:38 CHAIRMAN'S QUESTION ABOUT
09/17/09 14:22:40 THE
09/17/09 14:22:41 CHURCHES, I BELIEVE THAT WHAT
09/17/09 14:22:42 HE
09/17/09 14:22:43 WANTED TO MAKE SURE COUNCIL IS
09/17/09 14:22:45 AWARE OF IS WE DO HAVE AN
09/17/09 14:22:48 OPPORTUNITY HERE FOR CHURCHES
09/17/09 14:22:49 TO
09/17/09 14:22:50 HAVE A WET ZONING THAT'S
09/17/09 14:22:52 INCLUDED IN THAT LIST OF USES
09/17/09 14:22:55 AND THE SETBACK WAIVERS ARE FOR
09/17/09 14:22:58 THOSE AREAS OUTSIDE OF THE
09/17/09 14:22:59 WHOLE
09/17/09 14:22:59 BOUNDARY.
09/17/09 14:23:01 WHEN I SAY THAT --
09/17/09 14:23:02 >> WHAT ARE SETBACKS?
09/17/09 14:23:04 >> YOU'RE LOOKING AT THAT MAP,
09/17/09 14:23:07 THE SETBACKS ARE FROM THE
09/17/09 14:23:09 ENTIRE
09/17/09 14:23:09 BOUNDARY.
09/17/09 14:23:10 WITHIN THAT FOOTPROHIBIT, THERE
09/17/09 14:23:13 WILL NOT BE ANY SETBACKS, THERE
09/17/09 14:23:14 WILL NOT BE ANY SEPARATION
09/17/09 14:23:16 BETWEEN THE USES.
09/17/09 14:23:18 AS MR. BOOTH SAYS, YOU CAN HAVE
09/17/09 14:23:20 THE LIQUOR ESTABLISHMENTS RIGHT
09/17/09 14:23:23 NEXT TO THE RES --WHATEVER THE
09/17/09 14:23:24 OTHER ESTABLISHMENTS ARE.
09/17/09 14:23:26 THAT IS A DIFFERENCE.
09/17/09 14:23:29 AND THEN THE
09/17/09 14:23:30 FINAL DIFFERENCE
09/17/09 14:23:30 --
09/17/09 14:23:32 THERE ARE TWO OTHER
09/17/09 14:23:32 DIFFERENCES.
09/17/09 14:23:34 ONE MS. GRIMES POINTED OUT IS
09/17/09 14:23:35 THAT YOU HAVE CONSISTENT
09/17/09 14:23:36 ESTABLISHED HOURS THROUGHOUT
09/17/09 14:23:37 THE
09/17/09 14:23:38 AREA, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE
09/17/09 14:23:40 DIFFERENT HOURS FOR EACH
09/17/09 14:23:42 ESTABLISHMENT OR JUST TO BE
09/17/09 14:23:44 CLEAR COUNCIL REVIEW AS THESE
09/17/09 14:23:47 DIFFERENT ESTABLISHMENTS ARE
09/17/09 14:23:49 IDENTIFIED AND THEIR SPECIFIC
09/17/09 14:23:51 FOOTPRINTS ARE SET UP, IT'S
09/17/09 14:23:52 INTENTIONAL, THAT'S THE WAY
09/17/09 14:23:53 THIS
09/17/09 14:23:55 CONCEPT IS SET UP, AND AS LONG
09/17/09 14:23:57 AS THE DEVELOPER REMAINS THE
09/17/09 14:24:00 OWNER OF THOSE PROPERTIES,
09/17/09 14:24:02 THE
09/17/09 14:24:04 FOOTPRINTS WITH REVIEW AND
09/17/09 14:24:05 SUBMITTAL TO THE CITY CAN BE
09/17/09 14:24:08 MOVED FROM ONE LOCATION TO
09/17/09 14:24:09 ANOTHER, AND, AGAIN, THAT'S
09/17/09 14:24:09 PART
09/17/09 14:24:10 OF THIS ENFORCEMENT MECHANISM
09/17/09 14:24:12 THAT WE PUT IN PLACE.
09/17/09 14:24:15 WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THE CITY
09/17/09 14:24:17 STAFF AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT
09/17/09 14:24:19 AND EVERYBODY WHO'S INVOLVED IN
09/17/09 14:24:21 ENFORCEMENT CLEARLY UNDERSTANDS
09/17/09 14:24:24 WHERE THERE'S A USE, WHAT THAT
09/17/09 14:24:25 FOOTPRINT IS FOR THAT USE, HOW
09/17/09 14:24:27 THAT RELATES TO THE STATE
09/17/09 14:24:28 LIQUOR
09/17/09 14:24:30 LICENSE AND IF THAT USE IS
09/17/09 14:24:31 MOVED, WE WANT NOTICE OF THAT
09/17/09 14:24:33 AND A PROCESS IN PLACE SO THAT
09/17/09 14:24:34 WE CLEARLY KNOW WHERE ONE IS
09/17/09 14:24:35 ELIMINATED AND WHERE ANOTHER
09/17/09 14:24:36 ONE
09/17/09 14:24:37 IS PUT IN PLACE.
09/17/09 14:24:40 SO WE HAVE A MECHANISM THAT
09/17/09 14:24:42 ALLOWS THAT TO OCCUR, SO YOU DO
09/17/09 14:24:43 HAVE FLEXIBILITY AS DESCRIBED,
09/17/09 14:24:45 BUT YOU ALSO HAVE A BROS IN
09/17/09 14:24:46 PLACE --PROCESS IN PLACE THAT
09/17/09 14:24:49 ALLOWS US TO TRACK WHERE ALL
09/17/09 14:24:49 THESE GO.
09/17/09 14:24:52 I'M NOT HERE TO TALK ABOUT
09/17/09 14:24:52 POLICY.
09/17/09 14:24:53 THAT'S YOUR DECISION, BUT I
09/17/09 14:24:55 WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU
09/17/09 14:24:55 UNDERSTOOD THE DIFFERENCES
09/17/09 14:24:57 BETWEEN THIS APPROACH AND THE
09/17/09 14:24:58 OTHER APPROACH AND WHAT
09/17/09 14:25:00 MECHANISMS WE PUT IN PLACE
09/17/09 14:25:01 BETWEEN WHAT I WROTE YOU THE
09/17/09 14:25:03 MEMO WITH THE CONCERNS AND WHAT
09/17/09 14:25:06 YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU NOW SO THAT
09/17/09 14:25:07 WE BELIEVE THAT THE POLICY
09/17/09 14:25:08 DECISION THAT'S MADE BY COUNCIL
09/17/09 14:25:10 CAN BE ENFORCED IF COUNCIL
09/17/09 14:25:12 DECIDES TO GO FORWARD.
09/17/09 14:25:14 >> DO WE HAVE WITHIN THE CITY
09/17/09 14:25:14 OF
09/17/09 14:25:17 SAEMP --FIRST OF ALL, THE CITY
09/17/09 14:25:20 OF TAMPA, HAS THIS BEEN DONE
09/17/09 14:25:20 BEFORE?
09/17/09 14:25:22 >>> NO, SIR, I'M NOT AWARE OF
09/17/09 14:25:23 ANYWHERE WHERE THIS MODEL HAS
09/17/09 14:25:26 BEEN USED LIKE THIS FOR LIQUOR
09/17/09 14:25:26 LICENSES.
09/17/09 14:25:28 >>> ANYWHERE IN HILLSBORO
09/17/09 14:25:28 COUNTY?
09/17/09 14:25:30 >> NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF.
09/17/09 14:25:33 >> ANY OF
09/17/09 14:25:33 THE MALLS?
09/17/09 14:25:35 >> NOT IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
09/17/09 14:25:37 >> RAYMOND JAMES STADIUM?
09/17/09 14:25:41 >>> NO, SIR, I DON'T
09/17/09 14:25:41 BELIEVE
09/17/09 14:25:41 SO.
09/17/09 14:25:43 >> PARK ZOO?
09/17/09 14:25:43 >> NO.
09/17/09 14:25:46 >> BUSCH GARDENS?
09/17/09 14:25:47 >> I DON'T BELIEVE SO.
09/17/09 14:25:49 GINA MAY BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO
09/17/09 14:25:50 THAT.
09/17/09 14:25:51 THAT ONE IS A LITTLE UNIQUE,
09/17/09 14:25:51 AND
09/17/09 14:25:53 I'M NOT AS FAMILIAR WITH THAT
09/17/09 14:25:53 ONE.
09/17/09 14:25:55 >> WHEN IT CAME BEFORE US WE
09/17/09 14:25:57 DIDN'T GIVE HIM THAT EXCLUSIVE.
09/17/09 14:25:59 WE DIDN'T DO IT.
09/17/09 14:26:00 >> WE DIDN'T?
09/17/09 14:26:01 >> NO, WE DIDN'T.
09/17/09 14:26:02 WE DID NOT.
09/17/09 14:26:05 I THOUGHT WE LIMITED THEM TO
09/17/09 14:26:05 CERTAIN AREAS.
09/17/09 14:26:07 >> REBECCA KERT, LEGAL
09/17/09 14:26:08 DEPARTMENT.
09/17/09 14:26:08 WITH BOTH RAYMOND JAMES STADIUM
09/17/09 14:26:10 AND BUSCH GARDENS YOU DID
09/17/09 14:26:12 SOMETHING SIMILAR IN THAT YOU
09/17/09 14:26:15 HAD AN OVERALL HIGHER INTENSITY
09/17/09 14:26:16 GRANTED, A 4-COP AND LIMITED
09/17/09 14:26:19 CERTAIN AREAS TO A LESSER
09/17/09 14:26:20 INTENSITY.
09/17/09 14:26:21 HOWEVER, THOSE ARE SOMEWHAT --
09/17/09 14:26:23 YOU MAY CONSIDER THOSE SOMEWHAT
09/17/09 14:26:24 DIFFERENT THAN THIS
09/17/09 14:26:24 CIRCUMSTANCE
09/17/09 14:26:25 BECAUSE THOSE WERE ALL LIMITED
09/17/09 14:26:28 TO A SINGLE USE AS
09/17/09 14:26:30 OPPOSED TO
09/17/09 14:26:31 MULTI USES WITH DIFFERENT
09/17/09 14:26:34 LAYERS AND THAT WOB THE
09/17/09 14:26:36 DIFFERENCE.
09/17/09 14:26:36 >> COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
09/17/09 14:26:39 >> I HAVE ONE QUESTION AND THEN
09/17/09 14:26:41 A COMMENT.
09/17/09 14:26:44 AS I LOOK AT
09/17/09 14:26:47 THE DRAWING,
09/17/09 14:26:48 --I
09/17/09 14:26:49 APPRECIATE THE FACT YOU ALL
09/17/09 14:26:50 HAVE
09/17/09 14:26:51 DONE A GOOD JOB OF BUFFERING
09/17/09 14:26:54 YOUR NORTHERN NEIGHBORS FROM
09/17/09 14:26:54 ROSS.
09/17/09 14:26:56 IT LOOKS LIKE PERHAPS 50 OR 150
09/17/09 14:26:59 FEET, SOMETHING LIKE THAT WHICH
09/17/09 14:27:00 IS GOOD.
09/17/09 14:27:01 THE CONCERN I HAVE IS WHAT THE
09/17/09 14:27:02 NORTHEAST CORNER --PULL THAT
09/17/09 14:27:05 DOWN JUST A LITTLE BIT, IF YOU
09/17/09 14:27:06 WOULD, PLEASE.
09/17/09 14:27:07 THE NORTHEAST CORNER UP IN THE
09/17/09 14:27:10 RIGHT THERE, FAR RIGHT, THE
09/17/09 14:27:12 WHITE --NO.
09/17/09 14:27:13 UP.
09/17/09 14:27:14 THAT BIG AREA.
09/17/09 14:27:15 >> YES.
09/17/09 14:27:16 >> OKAY.
09/17/09 14:27:17 IT'S NOT UNDER YOUR --I MEAN,
09/17/09 14:27:20 IT'S NOT PART OF YOUR PDA,
09/17/09 14:27:20 I
09/17/09 14:27:21 CAN'T REMEMBER SPECIFICALLY
09/17/09 14:27:21 WHAT
09/17/09 14:27:24 THE USES ARE THERE,
09/17/09 14:27:26 CURRENT
09/17/09 14:27:27 USES, RESIDENTIAL THERE,
09/17/09 14:27:27 THERE'S
09/17/09 14:27:30 NO BUFFERING THERE
09/17/09 14:27:30 SPECIFICALLY.
09/17/09 14:27:32 >>> ON THIS BLOCK THERE'S A
09/17/09 14:27:33 COMMERCIAL ESTABLISHMENT.
09/17/09 14:27:34 >> RIGHT.
09/17/09 14:27:34 KEEP GOING.
09/17/09 14:27:37 >>> AND THEN TO THE WEST OF
09/17/09 14:27:39 THAT
09/17/09 14:27:40 IS SOME RESIDENCES.
09/17/09 14:27:41 >>> YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO
09/17/09 14:27:44 COME
09/17/09 14:27:45 UP THERE.
09/17/09 14:27:46 >> FIRST TWO BLOCKS AND THIS
09/17/09 14:27:49 BLOCK ALSO ARE COMMERCIAL RIGHT
09/17/09 14:27:50 THERE.
09/17/09 14:27:51 THIS IS ALL COMMERCIAL.
09/17/09 14:27:52 >>> AND THEN WESTERN SIDE OF
09/17/09 14:27:54 THAT BLOCK IS RESIDENTIAL.
09/17/09 14:27:55 >> THE ONLY CONCERN I WOULD
09/17/09 14:27:58 HAVE, I GUESS, IS IF THERE'S
09/17/09 14:27:59 SOME SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL
09/17/09 14:28:00 THAT ARE NOT PART OF THIS
09/17/09 14:28:02 PROJECT AND THEY OWN IT AND
09/17/09 14:28:05 THEY'RE RIGHT THERE IN THAT
09/17/09 14:28:05 CORNER, THEORETICALLY, THEY
09/17/09 14:28:09 COULD BE RIGHT
09/17/09 14:28:12 ACROSS PALM
09/17/09 14:28:12 FROM
09/17/09 14:28:14 YOUR 9,000 SQUARE FOOT BAR.
09/17/09 14:28:15 I DON'T ANTICIPATE THAT'S GOING
09/17/09 14:28:17 TO HAPPEN BECAUSE I WOULD
09/17/09 14:28:19 ANTICIPATE YOUR BAR/RESTAURANT
09/17/09 14:28:20 ACTIVITY, LIKE YOU SAID, IS
09/17/09 14:28:22 GOING TO BE DOWN ON THE RIVER.
09/17/09 14:28:23 WAS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT
09/17/09 14:28:25 BUFFERING THAT LITTLE CORNER AT
09/17/09 14:28:26 ALL?
09/17/09 14:28:28 >> WHEN WE WERE ASKED BY THE
09/17/09 14:28:29 CIVIC ASSOCIATION TO PUT THE
09/17/09 14:28:31 LIMITATIONS ON THE AB
09/17/09 14:28:33 ESTABLISHMENTS NORTH OF PALM
09/17/09 14:28:35 THAT THAT PARTICULAR CORNER WAS
09/17/09 14:28:35 NOT ADDRESSED.
09/17/09 14:28:38 THEY DID NOT ASK US TO IMPOSE A
09/17/09 14:28:39 CONDITION THERE.
09/17/09 14:28:40 NOW, I WOULD HAVE TO DISCUSS
09/17/09 14:28:42 WITH MY CLIENT THAT THERE MAY
09/17/09 14:28:42 BE
09/17/09 14:28:45 A WAY THAT WE COULD IMPOSE A
09/17/09 14:28:47 LIMITATION ON THE TYPE OF
09/17/09 14:28:50 ESTABLISHMENT OR LAND USE
09/17/09 14:28:50 THAT
09/17/09 14:28:52 COULD BE AB ESTABLISHMENT, THIS
09/17/09 14:28:54 COULD BE LOCATED DIRECTLY
09/17/09 14:28:54 ACROSS
09/17/09 14:28:56 FROM THAT PARTICULAR RESIDENCE.
09/17/09 14:28:59 BUT GOING BACK TO CHAIRMAN
09/17/09 14:29:00 SCOTT'S QUESTION --
09/17/09 14:29:03 >> LET ME FINISH MY COMMENT
09/17/09 14:29:03 FIRST.
09/17/09 14:29:04 WHAT I'D LIKE YOU TO DO IS
09/17/09 14:29:05 THINK
09/17/09 14:29:06 ABOUT THAT FOR A FEW MINUTES
09/17/09 14:29:09 BEFORE WE GET FURTHER
09/17/09 14:29:10 INTO
09/17/09 14:29:10 THIS.
09/17/09 14:29:13 WE GOT A COPY OF YOUR DRAFT
09/17/09 14:29:14 RECITALS, THEY'RE VERY GOOD.
09/17/09 14:29:16 WHEN I FIRST HEARD ABOUT THIS
09/17/09 14:29:16 IS
09/17/09 14:29:18 A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO, I WAS,
09/17/09 14:29:19 LIKE, WHAT.
09/17/09 14:29:22 ANYTIME YOU DO
09/17/09 14:29:23 SOMETHING NEW.
09/17/09 14:29:25 --YOU KNOW, EVERY TIME YOU DO
09/17/09 14:29:27 SOMETHING NEW IT'S CREATIVE AND
09/17/09 14:29:29 UNIQUE, BUT ALSO A LITTLE
09/17/09 14:29:29 SCARY.
09/17/09 14:29:31 BUT THIS IS A UNIQUE PROJECT.
09/17/09 14:29:34 IT HAS BEEN FROM
09/17/09 14:29:34 THE BEGINNING.
09/17/09 14:29:36 THE MORE I THOUGHT ABOUT IT --
09/17/09 14:29:37 AND, LINDA, YOU ELABORATE ON
09/17/09 14:29:40 THIS A LITTLE BIT, THIS IS THE
09/17/09 14:29:42 ULTIMATE IN A DOWNTOWN URBAN
09/17/09 14:29:43 MIXED USE PROJECT AND I THINK,
09/17/09 14:29:45 YOU KNOW, AS WE ALL TRAVEL TO
09/17/09 14:29:47 OTHER DOWNTOWNS THAT ARE MORE
09/17/09 14:29:49 MATURE LIKE NEW YORK OR CHICAGO
09/17/09 14:29:52 OR, YOU KNOW, WHEREVER, YOU
09/17/09 14:29:54 EXPECT TO SEE PEOPLE LIVING
09/17/09 14:29:55 ABOVE BARS AND RESTAURANTS, AND
09/17/09 14:29:57 THEY KNOW THAT WHEN THEY MOVE
09/17/09 14:29:57 TO
09/17/09 14:29:58 THOSE TYPE OF CITIES AND THOSE
09/17/09 14:30:00 TYPE OF AREAS THAT'S WHAT
09/17/09 14:30:01 THEY'RE MOVING TO, AND THAT'S
09/17/09 14:30:03 WHAT THEY WANT, FRANKLY.
09/17/09 14:30:05 THEY HAVE A LOT OF CHOICES IN
09/17/09 14:30:05 OUR COMMUNITY.
09/17/09 14:30:07 THIS WOULD BE A MAJOR CHOICE,
09/17/09 14:30:07 IF
09/17/09 14:30:10 I'M GOING TO BUY A $500,000
09/17/09 14:30:11 CONDO THERE, I'M GOING TO HAVE
09/17/09 14:30:13 TO KNOW, AND I'M SURE YOU WILL
09/17/09 14:30:15 DISCLOSE THAT THIS IS THE TYPE
09/17/09 14:30:17 OF BARS AND RESTAURANTS THAT
09/17/09 14:30:18 COULD BE COMING THERE.
09/17/09 14:30:19 THE OTHER THING I LIKE ABOUT IT
09/17/09 14:30:21 IS THE FACT THAT YOU'VE LIMGTED
09/17/09 14:30:22 YOURSELF TO 60 --LIMITED
09/17/09 14:30:25 YOURSELF TO 60% OF THE
09/17/09 14:30:25 100,000
09/17/09 14:30:27 SQUARE FEET WILL BE LIMITED TO
09/17/09 14:30:30 AN R USE AND, GINA
09/17/09 14:30:30 YOU
09/17/09 14:30:31 VOLUNTEERED, I GUESS, AS PART
09/17/09 14:30:32 OF
09/17/09 14:30:34 THE CONDITION THAT THE Rs
09/17/09 14:30:35 WOULD WOULD BE REPORTING JUST
09/17/09 14:30:37 LIKE ALL THE OTHER RESTAURANTS
09/17/09 14:30:37 AROUND TOWN.
09/17/09 14:30:39 >> YES, THAT'S ACTUALLY A
09/17/09 14:30:39 CONDITION.
09/17/09 14:30:42 ON THE SECOND PAGE, THE SITE
09/17/09 14:30:45 PLAN CONTAINS THE WHOLE LIST OF
09/17/09 14:30:47 CONDITIONS, THEY CROSS RMPBS
09/17/09 14:30:48 THE
09/17/09 14:30:49 PD CONDITIONS IN WHICH THERE
09/17/09 14:30:51 WERE 60 SOME ODD CONDITIONS.
09/17/09 14:30:53 OF COURSE WE HAVE A WHOLE LIST
09/17/09 14:30:54 OF CONDITIONS RELATED JUST TO
09/17/09 14:30:55 THE AB ESTABLISHMENTS.
09/17/09 14:30:57 BUT THE SPREAD SHEET
09/17/09 14:30:58 SPECIFICALLY SAYS THAT THEY
09/17/09 14:30:59 WILL
09/17/09 14:31:00 HAVE TO REPORT AND THERE'S A
09/17/09 14:31:01 CONDITION THAT SAYS THEY'LL
09/17/09 14:31:02 HAVE
09/17/09 14:31:04 TO REPORT AS WELL.
09/17/09 14:31:05 IT'S ACTUALLY CONDITION --IF
09/17/09 14:31:08 YOU LOOK IN YOUR --
09/17/09 14:31:09 IN THE
09/17/09 14:31:12 DOCUMENT THAT'S ENTITLEMENTED
09/17/09 14:31:14 --
09/17/09 14:31:15 ENTITLED LIMITATIONS, YOU'LL
09/17/09 14:31:15 SEE
09/17/09 14:31:17 ITEM NUMBER 6A --I'M SORRY, 6C
09/17/09 14:31:19 HAS IN THERE THE REQUIREMENTS
09/17/09 14:31:21 THAT THEY REPORT FOR THE
09/17/09 14:31:23 RESTAURANTS THE SAME WAY THAT
09/17/09 14:31:24 EVERYONE ELSE IS REQUIRED TO
09/17/09 14:31:25 UNDER THE CODE.
09/17/09 14:31:26 >> AND THE OTHER THING THAT I
09/17/09 14:31:29 THINK YA'LL HAVE FIXED IS THIS
09/17/09 14:31:30 ENFORCEMENT ISSUE.
09/17/09 14:31:32 I THINK PREVIOUSLY IT WAS,
09/17/09 14:31:34 LIKE,
09/17/09 14:31:36 YOU KNOW, ENFORCEMENT ALL OR
09/17/09 14:31:36 NOTHING.
09/17/09 14:31:37 WELL, NO FUTURE MAYOR WANTS TO
09/17/09 14:31:40 GO IN THERE AND SHUT DOWN 10
09/17/09 14:31:41 SUCCESSFUL RESTAURANTS JUST
09/17/09 14:31:43 BECAUSE THERE'S ONE BAD ONE.
09/17/09 14:31:45 BUT APPARENTLY, ACCORDING TO
09/17/09 14:31:47 MR. FLETCHER, AND YOU CONFIRM
09/17/09 14:31:49 THAT, GINA, THAT THIS WOULD
09/17/09 14:31:51 ENABLE THE CITY ENFORCEMENT TO
09/17/09 14:31:52 GO IN AND ENFORCE AGAINST ONE
09/17/09 14:31:55 AND NOT NECESSARILY ALL,
09/17/09 14:31:55 CORRECT?
09/17/09 14:31:55 >> RIGHT.
09/17/09 14:31:57 ONCE THE PIECE OF PROPERTY IS
09/17/09 14:31:59 SOLD, THE ENTITLEMENTS WILL
09/17/09 14:31:59 STAY
09/17/09 14:32:01 OR RUN WITH THAT LAND AND THEY
09/17/09 14:32:03 WILL BE PERMANENTLY DELETED
09/17/09 14:32:04 FROM
09/17/09 14:32:05 THE OVERALL ENTITLEMENT POOL SO
09/17/09 14:32:08 THAT YOU WON'T HAVE A SITUATION
09/17/09 14:32:10 WHERE THE 119,000 SQUARE FEET
09/17/09 14:32:12 IS
09/17/09 14:32:12 CONTINUALLY RULING, BUT
09/17/09 14:32:14 INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE
09/17/09 14:32:15 THEIR OWN SEPARATE
09/17/09 14:32:16 ENTITLEMENTS.
09/17/09 14:32:18 IT'S A MAX OR A CAP ON THE
09/17/09 14:32:19 OVERALL ENTITLEMENTS.
09/17/09 14:32:21 WU ONCE PROPERTY IS SOLD, IT
09/17/09 14:32:22 WILL --BUT ONCE PROPERTY IS
09/17/09 14:32:24 SOLD, IT WILL RUN WITHOUT LAND
09/17/09 14:32:26 AND GO AGAINST THAT PARTICULAR
09/17/09 14:32:26 PROPERTY OWNER.
09/17/09 14:32:29 >> BETWEEN THE FIRST AND SECOND
09/17/09 14:32:31 READING, MY TKR*UTTERS WOULD BE
09/17/09 14:32:32 THAT IF WE COULD CREATE SOME
09/17/09 14:32:34 LANGUAGE AND A LITTLE BIT OF
09/17/09 14:32:36 BUFFERING FOR THAT LITTLE
09/17/09 14:32:37 CORNER
09/17/09 14:32:40 UP THERE OF
09/17/09 14:32:43 PALM
09/17/09 14:32:46 AND --THANK
09/17/09 14:32:46 YOU.
09/17/09 14:32:48 PALM AND OLOCK, JUST TO CREATE
09/17/09 14:32:48 A
09/17/09 14:32:49 LITTLE BIT OF BUFFERING FOR
09/17/09 14:32:51 THOSE PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNERS,
09/17/09 14:32:51 I
09/17/09 14:32:52 THINK WE COULD DO THAT.
09/17/09 14:32:54 >> I'LL ALSO ADD, I THINK ONE
09/17/09 14:32:54 OF
09/17/09 14:32:56 THE REASONS THAT THE
09/17/09 14:32:57 NEIGHBORHOOD HAS BEEN SO
09/17/09 14:32:59 SUPPORTIVE IN ALL OF THIS IS,
09/17/09 14:33:01 ONE, WHEN THEY SHOW UP, THEY
09/17/09 14:33:02 ASK, WHEN ARE THE RESTAURANTS
09/17/09 14:33:04 GOING TO OPEN.
09/17/09 14:33:07 BUT, TWO IS THE HISTORY OF THAT
09/17/09 14:33:10 PARTICULAR CORNER EVEN.
09/17/09 14:33:12 THERE WAS A RATHER INTIMATE BAR
09/17/09 14:33:13 THERE ABOUT FIVE YEARS AGO
09/17/09 14:33:15 CALLED THE DUKES.
09/17/09 14:33:17 AND THE DEVELOPMENT BOUGHT THE
09/17/09 14:33:18 PIECE OF PROPERTY AND
09/17/09 14:33:20 IMMEDIATELY KNOCKED THE
09/17/09 14:33:20 BUILDING
09/17/09 14:33:21 DOWN.
09/17/09 14:33:23 SO THE DEVELOPER HAS THE TRACK
09/17/09 14:33:25 RECORD OF, YOU KNOW, WALKING
09/17/09 14:33:25 THE
09/17/09 14:33:26 WALK AND TALKING THE TALK AND
09/17/09 14:33:29 DOING THE RIGHT THING, SO THE
09/17/09 14:33:30 NEIGHBORHOOD --
09/17/09 14:33:31 >> LIKE YOUR OWN ATTORNEY SAID,
09/17/09 14:33:34 THE DEVELOPER WON'T BE
09/17/09 14:33:34 THEREFOREEVER.
09/17/09 14:33:35 BUT I THINK IF WE HAVE A LITTLE
09/17/09 14:33:37 BIT OF BUFFERING EITHER WITH
09/17/09 14:33:38 LANGUAGE OR DISTANCE OR
09/17/09 14:33:40 SOMETHING FOR THAT CORNER, THEN
09/17/09 14:33:41 I'M VERY COMFORTABLE WITH IT
09/17/09 14:33:41 AND
09/17/09 14:33:44 I COMMEND YOU ON
09/17/09 14:33:45 YOUR
09/17/09 14:33:46 CREATIVITY.
09/17/09 14:33:47 >> MS. GRIMES, ON YOUR
09/17/09 14:33:48 RESTAURANT WHERE YOU HAVE
09/17/09 14:33:49 50,000
09/17/09 14:33:51 SQUARE FEET, YOU VIRTUALLY HAVE
09/17/09 14:33:52 MAYBE 15 DIFFERENT LICENSES
09/17/09 14:33:54 THERE, IS THAT IT?
09/17/09 14:33:57 IN OTHER WORDS, EACH INDIVIDUAL
09/17/09 14:33:58 OWNER?
09/17/09 14:33:58 >> YEAH.
09/17/09 14:33:59 EVERY INDIVIDUAL OPERATOR WILL
09/17/09 14:34:01 HAVE TO COME IN WITH THEIR OWN
09/17/09 14:34:02 STATE LICENSE AND GET THEIR OWN
09/17/09 14:34:04 STATE LICENSE WHICH, AS YOU
09/17/09 14:34:05 KNOW, YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH.
09/17/09 14:34:07 >>> ANY VIOLATION WOULD GO
09/17/09 14:34:08 TOWARDS THAT PARTICULAR --
09/17/09 14:34:10 >> IF IT'S A VIOLATION OF THE
09/17/09 14:34:11 STATE LICENSE, YES.
09/17/09 14:34:12 IF IT'S A VIOLATION OF ANY OF
09/17/09 14:34:14 THESE CONDITIONS, THEN THE
09/17/09 14:34:15 DEVELOPER WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE,
09/17/09 14:34:16 UNLESS THE PROPERTY IS SOLE.
09/17/09 14:34:19 ONCE THE PROPERTY IS SOLD TO A
09/17/09 14:34:20 PARTICULAR OPERATOR, SOME OF
09/17/09 14:34:22 THEM MAY BE TENANTS, SOME MAY
09/17/09 14:34:23 BE
09/17/09 14:34:24 OUTRIGHT PURCHASERS.
09/17/09 14:34:25 IF IT'S SOLD TO THEM, YOU CAN
09/17/09 14:34:27 ENFORCE IT AGAINST THE PROPERTY
09/17/09 14:34:27 OWNER.
09/17/09 14:34:28 IF IT'S A VIOLATION OF THE
09/17/09 14:34:28 STATE
09/17/09 14:34:30 LICENSE, THE STATE CAN ENFORCE
09/17/09 14:34:32 AGAINST THE OPERATOR, BUT IF
09/17/09 14:34:34 IT'S NOT SOLD, THEN YOU WILL
09/17/09 14:34:36 HAVE THE ABILITY TO ENFORCE
09/17/09 14:34:37 AGAINST THE DEVELOPER FOR A
09/17/09 14:34:40 VIOLATION OF ANY OF THESE AB
09/17/09 14:34:41 CONDITIONS OR UNDER YOUR ZONING
09/17/09 14:34:43 CODE SINCE THIS IS A SPECIAL
09/17/09 14:34:46 USE, YOU CAN ALSO CITE THE
09/17/09 14:34:49 ACTUAL VIOLATOR OR THE TENANT
09/17/09 14:34:52 AND YOU CAN PROCEED WITH CODE
09/17/09 14:34:54 ENFORCEMENT PROCEEDINGS OR TAKE
09/17/09 14:34:55 THEM TO COUNTY COURT OR IF YOU
09/17/09 14:34:56 DON'T WANT TO DO THAT, YOU CAN
09/17/09 14:34:59 CHOOSE TO FOLLOW THE REVOCATION
09/17/09 14:35:00 ENFORCEMENT PROCEEDING AGAINST
09/17/09 14:35:00 THE DEVELOPER.
09/17/09 14:35:02 >> SO THE RELIGIOUS ASSEMBLY
09/17/09 14:35:04 WOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO HAVE
09/17/09 14:35:05 ALCOHOL 24 HOURS A DAY?
09/17/09 14:35:08 >> WELL, WE HAD THAT IN
09/17/09 14:35:10 THERE
09/17/09 14:35:10 AS
09/17/09 14:35:12 2 COP S AND IT WAS INTENDED TO
09/17/09 14:35:14 ALLOW FOR PLACES OF RELIGIOUS
09/17/09 14:35:16 ASSEMBLY TO HAVE THINGS LIKE A
09/17/09 14:35:17 PARISH HALL OR A SOCIAL HALL
09/17/09 14:35:20 WHERE THEY MAY, IN FACT, SELL
09/17/09 14:35:23 ALCOHOLIC
09/17/09 14:35:25 BEVERAGES.
09/17/09 14:35:25 IT HAPPENS.
09/17/09 14:35:26 WEDDINGS.
09/17/09 14:35:29 EVENTS
09/17/09 14:35:30 .
09/17/09 14:35:33 >> ANY
09/17/09 14:35:35 OTHER QUESTIONS?
09/17/09 14:35:38 YES , COUNCILWOMAN MULHERN,
09/17/09 14:35:39 I'M
09/17/09 14:35:39 SORRY.
09/17/09 14:35:41 >> I HAVE ONE QUESTION, HOW
09/17/09 14:35:41 MANY
09/17/09 14:35:43 ACRES IS THIS WITHIN THAT RED
09/17/09 14:35:44 BOUNDARY LINE?
09/17/09 14:35:45 >> WITHIN THE RED WHICH IS THE
09/17/09 14:35:47 AREA WHERE THE AB ESTABLISHMENT
09/17/09 14:35:49 IS IS 36 ACRES.
09/17/09 14:35:52 THE PROJECT ITSELF IS CLOSE
09/17/09 14:35:52 TO
09/17/09 14:35:53 48.
09/17/09 14:35:54 SO AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE MAP,
09/17/09 14:35:57 THE BOUNDARIES OF THE PD ZONING
09/17/09 14:35:58 ARE BIGGER THAN THIS.
09/17/09 14:36:00 THAT'S BECAUSE A LOT OF THE
09/17/09 14:36:01 COMMERCIAL CAN'T GO NORTH OF
09/17/09 14:36:02 PALM.
09/17/09 14:36:05 >> AND THEN MY QUESTIONS ARE
09/17/09 14:36:06 FOR
09/17/09 14:36:06 OUR STAFF.
09/17/09 14:36:09 MY FIRST QUESTION, I GUESS, IS
09/17/09 14:36:11 WHO'S THE STAFF PERSON THAT
09/17/09 14:36:12 GETS
09/17/09 14:36:13 THIS FIRST?
09/17/09 14:36:15 WHEN THEY CAME WITH THIS
09/17/09 14:36:18 PROPOSAL FOR THIS
09/17/09 14:36:19 LARGE RED
09/17/09 14:36:22 ZONING, WHO LOOKS AT
09/17/09 14:36:23 IT FIRST?
09/17/09 14:36:26 >> IT COMES INTO
09/17/09 14:36:26 US FIRST.
09/17/09 14:36:29 THE PETITION IS SUBMITTED TO US
09/17/09 14:36:30 AND THEN, YOU KNOW, IT GETS
09/17/09 14:36:31 SENT
09/17/09 14:36:32 OUT TO THE DRC AND LEGAL
09/17/09 14:36:33 REVIEWS
09/17/09 14:36:34 IT AND SUCH.
09/17/09 14:36:35 >> SO THERE'S NOTHING
09/17/09 14:36:36 ADMINISTRATIVELY THAT WOULD
09/17/09 14:36:36 TELL
09/17/09 14:36:39 YOU, WAIT A MINUTE, THIS IS
09/17/09 14:36:41 KIND
09/17/09 14:36:43 OF LARGE, MAYBE THIS --I MEAN,
09/17/09 14:36:45 DO YOU THEN HAVE AN OBLIGATION
09/17/09 14:36:48 TO WORK WITH THE PETITIONER TO
09/17/09 14:36:51 PRESENT SOMETHING TO
09/17/09 14:36:51 COUNCIL?
09/17/09 14:36:55 EVEN IF IT IS SOMETHING
09/17/09 14:36:58 THAT
09/17/09 14:37:01 LOOKS SO NOT WITHIN --I DON'T
09/17/09 14:37:04 KNOW, WITHIN OUR CODE, NORMAL
09/17/09 14:37:07 CODES FOR
09/17/09 14:37:08 SPECIAL USES.
09/17/09 14:37:09 >> THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S NOT
09/17/09 14:37:12 NORMAL PER SE
09/17/09 14:37:14 THAT IT'S JUST AN
09/17/09 14:37:15 ALCOHOL PERMIT THAT WOULD COME
09/17/09 14:37:16 BEFORE YOU.
09/17/09 14:37:17 IT'S SUBMITTED TO OUR OFFICE,
09/17/09 14:37:17 WE
09/17/09 14:37:18 WORK WITH THE PETITIONER, THE
09/17/09 14:37:20 PETITIONER WORKS WITH THE LEGAL
09/17/09 14:37:21 DEPARTMENT AS WELL AS --
09/17/09 14:37:23 >> SO YOU ALL --
09/17/09 14:37:25 >> IT WAS A BIG EFFORT TO GET
09/17/09 14:37:25 TO
09/17/09 14:37:26 WHERE WE ARE NOW.
09/17/09 14:37:28 >> ARE YOU ASKING ABOUT IN THE
09/17/09 14:37:30 FUTURE WHEN SOMEONE COMES IN?
09/17/09 14:37:31 >> NO.
09/17/09 14:37:32 I'M ASKING ABOUT HOW --I MEAN,
09/17/09 14:37:33 I JUST HAVE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING
09/17/09 14:37:36 LIKE THIS, AND WE ALSO HEARD
09/17/09 14:37:38 FROM --WE HAVE THESE WET
09/17/09 14:37:41 ZONINGS ALL THE TIME, AND WE GO
09/17/09 14:37:42 INTO ASKING PEOPLE WHAT KIND OF
09/17/09 14:37:44 CUPS THEY'RE GOING TO USE AND
09/17/09 14:37:46 TELLING THEM WHAT THEIR HOURS
09/17/09 14:37:49 ARE GOING TO BE, AND SO
09/17/09 14:37:50 NOW MY
09/17/09 14:37:52 QUESTIONS ARE FOR YOU.
09/17/09 14:37:55 WHEN WE GRANT A SPECIAL USE
09/17/09 14:37:58 PERMIT FOR ALCOHOL, DOESN'T IT
09/17/09 14:38:01 HAVE TO BE TO
09/17/09 14:38:02 PARTICULAR
09/17/09 14:38:03 ESTABLISHMENTS AND SLATE PLANS,
09/17/09 14:38:06 THAT'S THE WORD YOU USED,
09/17/09 14:38:08 RIGHT?
09/17/09 14:38:10 >> IF I MAY SEE THE ATTORNEY,
09/17/09 14:38:11 WHAT YOU ARE FOCUSED ON IS
09/17/09 14:38:13 REALLY THE KEY POLICY CHOICE
09/17/09 14:38:15 HERE, IS ARE WE GOING TO MOVE
09/17/09 14:38:18 AWAY FROM FOR THIS PARCEL THAT
09/17/09 14:38:20 TYPE OF AN APPROACH.
09/17/09 14:38:21 AND ONE OF OUR ISSUES WHEN THIS
09/17/09 14:38:23 WAS GOING TO COME BEFORE YOU
09/17/09 14:38:25 BEFORE WAS BY MOVING AWAY FROM
09/17/09 14:38:27 THE APPROACH YOU DESCRIBED, WE
09/17/09 14:38:30 HAD A LOT OF ENFORCEMENT ISSUES
09/17/09 14:38:31 WITH THAT.
09/17/09 14:38:31 >> RIGHT.
09/17/09 14:38:33 BUT THAT'S NOT MY QUESTION.
09/17/09 14:38:35 THAT IS WHAT WE USE NOW.
09/17/09 14:38:36 >> YES.
09/17/09 14:38:36 >> OKAY.
09/17/09 14:38:39 THAT WAS
09/17/09 14:38:41 THE QUESTION.
09/17/09 14:38:42 AND THEN MY NEXT QUESTION IN
09/17/09 14:38:44 TERMS OF THAT IS HOW WOULD WE
09/17/09 14:38:46 --
09/17/09 14:38:49 HOW COULD WE --IF WE DO
09/17/09 14:38:49 THIS,
09/17/09 14:38:51 DOESN'T THIS OPEN US UP TO
09/17/09 14:38:55 ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE
09/17/09 14:38:57 TO ZONE A
09/17/09 14:39:00 LARGE AREA THAT ISN'T SITE PLAN
09/17/09 14:39:01 CONTROLLED AT ALL TO ASK FOR
09/17/09 14:39:02 THE
09/17/09 14:39:03 SAME THING?
09/17/09 14:39:04 HOW DOES THIS NOT SET A
09/17/09 14:39:06 PRECEDENT OR DOES IT SET A
09/17/09 14:39:07 PRECEDENT?
09/17/09 14:39:07 >> I THINK THERE'S BEEN AN
09/17/09 14:39:09 EFFORT TO DISTINGUISH THIS
09/17/09 14:39:09 USING
09/17/09 14:39:12 THE RECITALS THAT WERE
09/17/09 14:39:12 PROVIDED.
09/17/09 14:39:13 HOWEVER, CLEARLY NOW YOU HAVE A
09/17/09 14:39:15 MODEL THAT YOU DIDN'T HAVE
09/17/09 14:39:17 PREVIOUSLY IF YOU APPROVE THIS.
09/17/09 14:39:19 I CAN'T SAY TO YOU THIS DOES
09/17/09 14:39:19 NOT
09/17/09 14:39:21 CREATE ANY SORT OF PRECEDENT.
09/17/09 14:39:23 THERE HAS BEEN AN ATTEMPT TO
09/17/09 14:39:24 MAKE THIS IDENTIFIED AS
09/17/09 14:39:27 SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE
09/17/09 14:39:28 CONSIDERED ONLY UNDER THE TYPES
09/17/09 14:39:30 OF UNIQUE CONDITIONS THAT YOU
09/17/09 14:39:31 DO
09/17/09 14:39:34 HAVE HERE.
09/17/09 14:39:34 >> RIGHT.
09/17/09 14:39:37 BUT IT'S ALL PREDICATED ON
09/17/09 14:39:40 FUTURE OWNERSHIP.
09/17/09 14:39:42 I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S WHAT
09/17/09 14:39:44 SEEMS SO --OTHER THAN THE JUST
09/17/09 14:39:47 SHEER SIZE OF THIS IS
09/17/09 14:39:51 THAT
09/17/09 14:39:52 NORMALLY THERE'S AN
09/17/09 14:39:53 ESTABLISHMENT THAT WOULD LIKE
09/17/09 14:39:53 TO
09/17/09 14:39:55 SELL ALCOHOL AND THAT'S HOW
09/17/09 14:39:56 THEY
09/17/09 14:39:59 REQUEST IT AS OPPOSED
09/17/09 14:40:02 TO
09/17/09 14:40:02 ATTRACTING DEVELOPMENT.
09/17/09 14:40:05 SO I GUESS THE ARGUMENT FOR
09/17/09 14:40:06 THIS
09/17/09 14:40:08 IS TO ATTRACT DEVELOPMENT,
09/17/09 14:40:09 THAT'S YOUR MAIN ARGUMENT?
09/17/09 14:40:12 >> I UNDERSTAND WHERE THE CITY
09/17/09 14:40:14 IS COMING FROM AND, YOU KNOW,
09/17/09 14:40:15 IN
09/17/09 14:40:16 MY EXPERIENCE YOU HAVE TO MAKE
09/17/09 14:40:17 SURE THAT IT ISN'T THE
09/17/09 14:40:18 INDIVIDUAL APPLICANT THAT YOU
09/17/09 14:40:20 FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH, BUT THE
09/17/09 14:40:22 ACTUAL ORDINANCE THAT YOU'RE
09/17/09 14:40:23 APPROVING AND THE CONDITIONS
09/17/09 14:40:24 THAT YOU'RE IMPOSING.
09/17/09 14:40:26 AND THAT'S IMPORTANT TO ME TOO.
09/17/09 14:40:27 I AGREE WITH THAT APPROACH.
09/17/09 14:40:29 IT'S A GOOD POLICY POSITION TO
09/17/09 14:40:29 TAKE.
09/17/09 14:40:31 AND THAT IS WHY WE SPECIFICALLY
09/17/09 14:40:33 WORKED LONG AND HARD AT TRYING
09/17/09 14:40:35 TO DEVELOP A SERIES OR LAYERS
09/17/09 14:40:36 OF
09/17/09 14:40:38 LIMITATIONS ON THIS REQUEST.
09/17/09 14:40:39 IT'S NOT --AS I STARTED OUT IN
09/17/09 14:40:42 THE BEGINNING SAYING, IT'S NOT
09/17/09 14:40:44 PERMISSION TO SELL ALCOHOL
09/17/09 14:40:47 ANYWHERE ON THIS 36 ACRES, IT'S
09/17/09 14:40:48 PERMISSION --IT'S A LIMITED
09/17/09 14:40:50 REQUEST TO SELL IT IN
09/17/09 14:40:50 CONNECTION
09/17/09 14:40:52 ONLY WITH RESTAURANTS, LIMITED
09/17/09 14:40:54 AS TO THE NUMBER OF SQUARE
09/17/09 14:40:55 FEET,
09/17/09 14:40:58 HOTELS AND MOTELS, THE MISS
09/17/09 14:41:00 LANEIOUS USES --MISLANEIOUS
09/17/09 14:41:01 USES AND THEN A SMALLER AMOUNT,
09/17/09 14:41:03 MINOR AMOUNT OF THE OVERALL
09/17/09 14:41:03 USES
09/17/09 14:41:05 IN CONNECTION WITH BARS AND
09/17/09 14:41:05 LOUNGES.
09/17/09 14:41:07 SO IT'S A SERIES OF LAYERS.
09/17/09 14:41:10 IT'S NOT GOING TO BE 4 COP
09/17/09 14:41:12 ANYWHERE ON 36 ACRES, THERE'S
09/17/09 14:41:12 NO
09/17/09 14:41:12 WAY.
09/17/09 14:41:13 BUT HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT?
09/17/09 14:41:14 THE WAY YOU'RE GOING TO KNOW
09/17/09 14:41:17 THAT IS THE ORDINANCE AND THE
09/17/09 14:41:18 SITE PLAN WHICH IS GOING TO BE
09/17/09 14:41:20 ATTACHED TO THE ORDINANCE HAS A
09/17/09 14:41:22 LIST OF CONDITIONS WHICH YOU
09/17/09 14:41:24 HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU AS WELL AS
09/17/09 14:41:26 THE LIMITATIONS THAT ARE SET
09/17/09 14:41:28 FORTH ON THIS SPREAD SHEET SO
09/17/09 14:41:29 THAT AS THINGS PROGRESS AND
09/17/09 14:41:31 THINGS DEVELOP, YOU CAN COME IN
09/17/09 14:41:34 JUST LIKE YOU DO ON A DRI WHERE
09/17/09 14:41:36 PROJECTS COME IN PIECEMEAL AND
09/17/09 14:41:39 YOU DELETE OR YOU DEDUCT
09/17/09 14:41:40 THE
09/17/09 14:41:41 ENTITLEMENTS FROM THE EACH
09/17/09 14:41:42 INDIVIDUAL LAND USE, AND YOU
09/17/09 14:41:43 LOOK AT THE USE AND THE SQUARE
09/17/09 14:41:45 FOOTAGE, AND AS THE PROJECT
09/17/09 14:41:47 DEVELOPS, THAT'S DEDUCTED FROM
09/17/09 14:41:48 THE OVERALL POOL OF
09/17/09 14:41:49 ENTITLEMENTS.
09/17/09 14:41:50 THAT'S THE WAY THIS IS INTENDED
09/17/09 14:41:52 TO WORK, MUCH THE SAME WAY.
09/17/09 14:41:54 BUT THE ENFORCEMENT YOU HAVE IS
09/17/09 14:41:55 ALL OF THESE CONDITIONS AND
09/17/09 14:41:57 LIMITATIONS ARE, IN FACT, PART
09/17/09 14:42:00 OF THE AB SITE
09/17/09 14:42:01 PLAN OR SPECIAL
09/17/09 14:42:03 USE SITE PLAN AND CAN BE
09/17/09 14:42:04 ENFORCED AGAINST THE PROPERTY
09/17/09 14:42:06 OWNER REGARDLESS OF WHO IT IS.
09/17/09 14:42:08 IF IT'S THE HEIGHTS OR IF IT'S
09/17/09 14:42:09 ANOTHER MASTER DEVELOPER OR IF
09/17/09 14:42:10 IT'S THE INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY
09/17/09 14:42:13 OWNER, THE PERSON THAT OWNS THE
09/17/09 14:42:13 AB ESTABLISHMENT.
09/17/09 14:42:14 YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE SAME SET
09/17/09 14:42:15 OF
09/17/09 14:42:16 RULES THAT APPLY TO EVERYBODY,
09/17/09 14:42:19 AND IT SHOULDN'T MATTER WHO THE
09/17/09 14:42:21 APPLICANT IS.
09/17/09 14:42:22 >> COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
09/17/09 14:42:24 >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
09/17/09 14:42:26 IF I REMEMBER, THIS WAS 48
09/17/09 14:42:28 ACRES, AND, CERTAINLY I THINK
09/17/09 14:42:31 WHAT SETS A PRECEDENT AND
09/17/09 14:42:31 WHAT
09/17/09 14:42:32 DOESN'T?
09/17/09 14:42:33 IT MIGHT BE POSSIBLE FOR A
09/17/09 14:42:35 150-FOOT LOT IN EAST TAMPA OR
09/17/09 14:42:37 WEST TAMPA TO BE CONVERTED TO
09/17/09 14:42:39 TWO 275-FOOT LOTS.
09/17/09 14:42:41 YOU TRY THAT SOMEWHERE ELSE AND
09/17/09 14:42:43 YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE TOO
09/17/09 14:42:43 SUCCESSFUL.
09/17/09 14:42:44 YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE AN
09/17/09 14:42:44 UPRISING
09/17/09 14:42:45 OF A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT DON'T
09/17/09 14:42:48 WANT THAT TO HAPPEN.
09/17/09 14:42:50 ARE THERE 48 ACRES AVAILABLE
09/17/09 14:42:50 SOMEWHERE?
09/17/09 14:42:51 MAYBE, MAYBE NOT.
09/17/09 14:42:53 WHO SAYS IT NEEDS TO BE 48
09/17/09 14:42:53 ACRES?
09/17/09 14:42:56 IT MAY BE
09/17/09 14:42:58 FIVE ACRES.
09/17/09 14:42:59 I DON'T BELIEVE IN MY OWN MIND
09/17/09 14:43:02 THAT THIS IS GOING TO SET A
09/17/09 14:43:05 PRECEDENCE FOR ANY FUTURE
09/17/09 14:43:08 DEVELOPMENT TO THE SIZE OR
09/17/09 14:43:11 TO
09/17/09 14:43:11 THE MOTIFF.
09/17/09 14:43:13 WHAT IF THIS IS THE WAY WE
09/17/09 14:43:14 MODELED YBOR CITY IN THE
09/17/09 14:43:15 BEGINNING?
09/17/09 14:43:16 I THINK THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN
09/17/09 14:43:18 MUCH BETTER, IN TODAY'S
09/17/09 14:43:18 SOCIETY.
09/17/09 14:43:20 I'M SPEAKING VERY FRANKLY AND
09/17/09 14:43:20 VERY SINCERE.
09/17/09 14:43:23 BUT THAT WASN'T
09/17/09 14:43:24 THE CASE.
09/17/09 14:43:25 IN DIFFERENT AREAS OF THE CITY,
09/17/09 14:43:27 WHAT IF THIS MODEL WAS TAKEN
09/17/09 14:43:28 AND
09/17/09 14:43:30 USED AND OUR GOOD NEIGHBORS
09/17/09 14:43:30 HERE
09/17/09 14:43:31 ON SOUTH HOWARD, IT CERTAINLY
09/17/09 14:43:33 WOULD HAVE BEEN A BETTER MODEL
09/17/09 14:43:36 THAN WHAT WE
09/17/09 14:43:37 HAVE NOW.
09/17/09 14:43:38 SO IF YOU'RE LOOKING FORWARD,
09/17/09 14:43:40 THEN I ALSO HAVE TO LOOK
09/17/09 14:43:40 FORWARD
09/17/09 14:43:41 AND BACKWARDS TO SAY IF I HAD
09/17/09 14:43:43 THIS, THE CITY WOULD HAVE BEEN
09/17/09 14:43:43 A
09/17/09 14:43:45 BETTER PLACE, THE NEIGHBORHOODS
09/17/09 14:43:46 WOULD HAVE BEEN BETTER ATTENDED
09/17/09 14:43:48 AND EVERYBODY WOULD HAVE BEEN A
09/17/09 14:43:49 LITTLE HAPPIER.
09/17/09 14:43:50 SO WHAT I'M SAYING, I'M GOING
09/17/09 14:43:50 TO
09/17/09 14:43:51 LISTEN TO ALL THE FACTS AND
09/17/09 14:43:52 THEN
09/17/09 14:43:53 DECIDE, BUT I LIKE WHAT I HEARD
09/17/09 14:43:54 SO FAR, I LIKE THE SUPPORT
09/17/09 14:43:58 LETTERS THAT I'VE
09/17/09 14:43:58 GOTTEN FROM
09/17/09 14:44:01 MOST EVERYONE, MORE THAN
09/17/09 14:44:02 LIKELY
09/17/09 14:44:03 EVERYONE THAT WROTE ONE THAT
09/17/09 14:44:05 DOES OR DOESN'T LIVE THERE.
09/17/09 14:44:06 AND THE REASON I REMEMBER THE
09/17/09 14:44:07 ADDRESS IS NOT BECAUSE I'M
09/17/09 14:44:09 SMART, IT'S BECAUSE THE
09/17/09 14:44:10 GENTLEMAN THAT LIVED IN ONE OF
09/17/09 14:44:12 THOSE HOUSES USED TO COME TO
09/17/09 14:44:13 COUNCIL WHEN WE WERE BUYING UP
09/17/09 14:44:14 THE LANDS AND SAYING THAT THEY
09/17/09 14:44:17 WERE GOING TO TAKE THE PROPERTY
09/17/09 14:44:20 BY EMINENT DOMAIN, HE CAME HERE
09/17/09 14:44:21 VARIOUS TIMES WHEN I WAS
09/17/09 14:44:23 CHAIRMAN AND ASKED ME, PLEASE
09/17/09 14:44:24 DON'T TAKE MY HOUSE.
09/17/09 14:44:26 SO THAT NUMBER 207 AND 209 IS
09/17/09 14:44:29 STUCK IN --HAS STUCK IN MY
09/17/09 14:44:30 MIND
09/17/09 14:44:31 FOR THE LAST SEVEN YEARS.
09/17/09 14:44:32 THAT'S THE ONLY REASON I
09/17/09 14:44:33 REMEMBER THE ADDRESS, AND I
09/17/09 14:44:35 THINK I'M CORRECT.
09/17/09 14:44:36 BUT I THINK THIS IS A
09/17/09 14:44:36 FUTURISTIC
09/17/09 14:44:37 THING TO DO.
09/17/09 14:44:39 IF I HAD THIS MODEL IN OTHER
09/17/09 14:44:40 PLACES IN THE CITY, I THINK
09/17/09 14:44:41 WE'D
09/17/09 14:44:43 BEEN BETTER OFF.
09/17/09 14:44:46 THANK YOU,
09/17/09 14:44:49 MR. CHAIRMAN.
09/17/09 14:44:50 >> COUNCILWOMAN, SAUL-SENA.
09/17/09 14:44:51 >> I WANT TODAY ASK YOU,
09/17/09 14:44:52 MS. GRIMES ABOUT THE PARAGRAPHS
09/17/09 14:44:55 WHERE IT SAYS BETWEEN THE
09/17/09 14:44:57 ARMITURE WORKS BUILDING AND THE
09/17/09 14:44:59 WATERWORKS BUILDING WHICH ARE
09/17/09 14:45:01 APPROXIMATELY 90,000 SQUARE
09/17/09 14:45:01 FEET
09/17/09 14:45:03 AND COMPRISED 75% OF ALL THE
09/17/09 14:45:05 COMMERCIAL RETAIL ENTITLEMENTS,
09/17/09 14:45:06 SO IS THAT WHERE YOU ANTICIPATE
09/17/09 14:45:09 THE MAJORITY OF THE RESTAURANTS
09/17/09 14:45:10 AND BARS WILL BE?
09/17/09 14:45:12 >> WE THINK A LOT OF THE
09/17/09 14:45:14 ENTITLEMENTS WILL GO THERE
09/17/09 14:45:15 BECAUSE THAT'S MOST LIKELY
09/17/09 14:45:15 WHERE
09/17/09 14:45:17 THE COMMERCIAL ENTITLEMENTS
09/17/09 14:45:17 WILL
09/17/09 14:45:17 GO.
09/17/09 14:45:18 THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT EVERY
09/17/09 14:45:19 ESTABLISHMENT IN THE WATER
09/17/09 14:45:20 WORKS
09/17/09 14:45:23 BUILDING WILL NEED AN
09/17/09 14:45:25 ALCOHOLIC
09/17/09 14:45:26 BEVERAGE ZONING.
09/17/09 14:45:28 THERE WILL BE A FLORIST SHOP, A
09/17/09 14:45:28 COFFEE SHOP.
09/17/09 14:45:30 THERE WILL BE A LOT OF OTHER
09/17/09 14:45:32 RETAIL ESTABLISHMENTS THAT
09/17/09 14:45:32 DON'T
09/17/09 14:45:34 NECESSARILY NEED TO SELL
09/17/09 14:45:34 ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES.
09/17/09 14:45:36 SO THOSE TWO BUILDINGS ALONE,
09/17/09 14:45:37 EXISTING BUILDINGS ALONE DO
09/17/09 14:45:40 COMPRISE MOST OF THE COMMERCIAL
09/17/09 14:45:40 ENTITLEMENTS AND THAT'S
09/17/09 14:45:41 PROBABLY
09/17/09 14:45:43 WHERE MOST OF THEM WILL BE
09/17/09 14:45:44 UTILIZED OR ALLOCATED, BUT THAT
09/17/09 14:45:46 DOESN'T MEAN ALL THE --
09/17/09 14:45:48 NECESSARILY ALL THE AB
09/17/09 14:45:49 ENTITLEMENTS WILL GO THERE.
09/17/09 14:45:52 THEY MAY, BUT IT'S NOT
09/17/09 14:45:54 GUARANTEED.
09/17/09 14:45:54 THANK YOU.
09/17/09 14:45:56 >> WE'LL HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC.
09/17/09 14:45:56 IT'S A PUBLIC HEARING.
09/17/09 14:45:57 ANYONE WHO WISHES TO ADDRESS
09/17/09 14:45:59 COUNCIL MAY COME FORWARD AT
09/17/09 14:46:00 THIS
09/17/09 14:46:01 TIME.
09/17/09 14:46:01 ANYONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO
09/17/09 14:46:04 ADDRESS THE COUNCIL MAY
09/17/09 14:46:07 COME
09/17/09 14:46:10 FORWARD.
09/17/09 14:46:16 >> HI, I'M ELLEN SNELLING WITH
09/17/09 14:46:17 THE TAMPA ALCOHOL COALITION.
09/17/09 14:46:19 AND I THINK A LOT OF WORK HAS
09/17/09 14:46:20 GONE INTO THIS PROJECT, AND I
09/17/09 14:46:23 THINK THERE'S A LOT OF VERY
09/17/09 14:46:23 POSITIVE ASPECTS.
09/17/09 14:46:25 I JUST WANTED TO TELL YOU A
09/17/09 14:46:27 COUPLE OF CONCERNS.
09/17/09 14:46:29 WHEN I LOOK AT THE ALCOHOLIC
09/17/09 14:46:31 BEVERAGE SPREAD SHEET AND IT
09/17/09 14:46:33 MENTIONS THE HOURS OF SALE, I
09/17/09 14:46:35 THINK THAT'S MY BIGGEST CONCERN
09/17/09 14:46:37 IS THAT THEY'RE EITHER --EVERY
09/17/09 14:46:39 USE IS UNTIL 3:00 A.M.
09/17/09 14:46:39 OR SOME
09/17/09 14:46:42 SAY 24 HOURS, AND ON THAT ONE I
09/17/09 14:46:43 REALLY WASN'T CLEAR ON BECAUSE
09/17/09 14:46:45 AS FAR AS THE STATE LAW, YOU
09/17/09 14:46:46 CANNOT SELL ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE
09/17/09 14:46:49 24 HOURS, AND I KNOW WITHIN OUR
09/17/09 14:46:50 COUNTY OR CITY THAT YOU CANNOT.
09/17/09 14:46:54 SO I MIGHT NOT QUITE UNDERSTAND
09/17/09 14:46:54 THAT ONE.
09/17/09 14:46:57 BUT IF THERE ARE THE MAJORITY
09/17/09 14:46:57 OF
09/17/09 14:46:59 THESE USES ARE OPEN UNTIL 3:00
09/17/09 14:47:00 A.M., I THINK THAT CAN HAVE AN
09/17/09 14:47:03 IMPACT ON THE COMMUNITY AND THE
09/17/09 14:47:04 NEIGHBORHOOD.
09/17/09 14:47:05 SO I GUESS IT'S UP TO THE
09/17/09 14:47:06 DEVELOPER IF HE'S REALLY GOING
09/17/09 14:47:08 TO HAVE THE PLACES OPEN UNTIL
09/17/09 14:47:09 3:00 A.M.
09/17/09 14:47:10 OR THE RESTAURANTS
09/17/09 14:47:13 WOULD CLOSE MORE LIKE 11:00 OR
09/17/09 14:47:14 MIDNIGHT.
09/17/09 14:47:15 BUT WHEN WE THINK ABOUT BUSCH
09/17/09 14:47:16 GARDENS AND THEY PUT PAGES OF
09/17/09 14:47:18 CONDITIONS ON WHEN THEY TRIED
09/17/09 14:47:18 TO
09/17/09 14:47:21 WET ZONE THAT WHOLE AREA, AND I
09/17/09 14:47:24 BELIEVE THEIR LATEST HOURS WAS
09/17/09 14:47:24 1:00 A.M.
09/17/09 14:47:26 SO I THINK THAT REALLY IS MY
09/17/09 14:47:26 BIGGEST CONCERN.
09/17/09 14:47:29 I ALSO WONDERED IF A LOT OF
09/17/09 14:47:31 PLACES ARE OPEN UNTIL 3:00 HOW
09/17/09 14:47:32 THAT MIGHT AFFECT TRAFFIC,
09/17/09 14:47:32 NOISE
09/17/09 14:47:34 IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
09/17/09 14:47:36 THERE CAN'T BE INDIVIDUAL
09/17/09 14:47:37 COMMUNITY MEMBERS COMING IN AND
09/17/09 14:47:39 ASKING ABOUT THOSE TYPES OF
09/17/09 14:47:40 THINGS OR PARKING AND THAT TYPE
09/17/09 14:47:41 OF THING.
09/17/09 14:47:42 I GUESS YOU REALLY HAVE TO
09/17/09 14:47:42 TRUST
09/17/09 14:47:44 THE DEVELOPER, BUT MAY MAIN
09/17/09 14:47:47 CONCERN WOULD BE THE HOURS OF
09/17/09 14:47:47 SALE.
09/17/09 14:47:48 THANK YOU.
09/17/09 14:47:49 >> ANYONE ELSE FROM THE PUBLIC?
09/17/09 14:47:50 >> MOVE TO CLOSE.
09/17/09 14:47:52 >> COULD WE --
09/17/09 14:47:53 >> NO.
09/17/09 14:47:55 >> HAVE THE PETITIONER ANSWER
09/17/09 14:47:55 THAT QUESTION?
09/17/09 14:47:57 >> REBECCA KERT, LEGAL
09/17/09 14:47:57 DEPARTMENT.
09/17/09 14:47:58 I JUST WANTED TO ANSWER THE
09/17/09 14:48:01 LEGAL QUESTION AS FAR AS THE
09/17/09 14:48:02 HOURS OF OPERATION.
09/17/09 14:48:03 AND THERE ARE HOURS OF
09/17/09 14:48:04 OPERATION
09/17/09 14:48:07 THAT ARE LISTED ON THE
09/17/09 14:48:08 SCHEDULE,
09/17/09 14:48:10 HOWEVER, IT NEEDS TO BE LOOKED
09/17/09 14:48:12 UNDER THE CONTEXT OF YOUR CODE,
09/17/09 14:48:14 SECTION 320 SETS OUT THE MAX
09/17/09 14:48:16 ZONE HOURS OF OPERATION, AND
09/17/09 14:48:18 THAT IS UNTIL 3:00 A.M.
09/17/09 14:48:18 AND 7:00
09/17/09 14:48:19 TO 3:00 A.M.
09/17/09 14:48:20 EXCEPT ON SUNDAY
09/17/09 14:48:21 WHICH IS 11:00 A.M.
09/17/09 14:48:22 EXCEPT FOR
09/17/09 14:48:23 HOTELS AND CERTAIN RETAIL USES
09/17/09 14:48:25 WHICH ARE ALLOWED TO STAY OPEN
09/17/09 14:48:26 FOR 24 HOURS.
09/17/09 14:48:29 AND THERE IS A
09/17/09 14:48:32 FOOTNOTE ON THE
09/17/09 14:48:33 SPREAD SHEET WHICH SAYS
09/17/09 14:48:33 WHATEVER
09/17/09 14:48:35 HOURS OF OPERATION ARE LISTED
09/17/09 14:48:38 HERE ARE SUBJECT TO LIMITATIONS
09/17/09 14:48:39 SET FORTH IN 320.
09/17/09 14:48:41 AS YOU KNOW, SECTION 320 LETS
09/17/09 14:48:42 YOU LIMIT THE HOURS OF
09/17/09 14:48:43 OPERATION
09/17/09 14:48:44 THROUGH INDIVIDUAL SPECIAL USE
09/17/09 14:48:45 ORDINANCES, BUT IT DOESN'T
09/17/09 14:48:45 ALLOW
09/17/09 14:48:47 YOU TO EXPAND IT.
09/17/09 14:48:49 SO TO REACH THE MAXIMUM
09/17/09 14:48:50 POTENTIAL THAT IS SET OUT ON
09/17/09 14:48:52 HERE FOR CERTAIN THINGS LIKE
09/17/09 14:48:52 THE
09/17/09 14:48:53 CHURCH BEING 24 HOURS OR THE
09/17/09 14:48:54 BED
09/17/09 14:48:57 AND BREAKFAST BEING 24 HOURS
09/17/09 14:48:59 WOULD REQUIRE A CODE CHANGE TO
09/17/09 14:48:59 SECTION 320.
09/17/09 14:49:00 RIGHT NOW THEY'RE LIMITED TO
09/17/09 14:49:01 THE
09/17/09 14:49:02 MAXIMUM NUMBER OF HOURS OF
09/17/09 14:49:05 SECTION 320 WHICH IS 3:00 A.M.
09/17/09 14:49:06 BUT AS FAR AS COMMENTING ON THE
09/17/09 14:49:09 REST OF
09/17/09 14:49:10 IT --
09/17/09 14:49:12 >> WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR
09/17/09 14:49:13 PERMISSION TO SELL ALCOHOL
09/17/09 14:49:15 BEYOND THE HOURS THAT ARE
09/17/09 14:49:18 LIMITED UNDER YOUR CODE.
09/17/09 14:49:19 WHAT WE HAVE HERE ON THE SPREAD
09/17/09 14:49:21 SHEET IS THE HOURS OF OPERATION
09/17/09 14:49:23 OF THE ESTABLISHMENT IF THE AB
09/17/09 14:49:25 SALES ARE PERMITTED, AND WE'RE
09/17/09 14:49:26 JUST SAYING THESE
09/17/09 14:49:27 ESTABLISHMENTS
09/17/09 14:49:28 OPERATE 24 HOURS A DAY, THE BED
09/17/09 14:49:31 AND BREAKFAST, THE CONGRE GAT
09/17/09 14:49:32 LIVING FACILITY, THE CHURCH.
09/17/09 14:49:34 WE DO HAVE THE FOOTNOTE THAT
09/17/09 14:49:35 SAYS SUBJECT TO LIMITATIONS IN
09/17/09 14:49:37 YOUR CODE WHICH ARE HOTELS AND
09/17/09 14:49:38 MOTELS AND CONVENIENCE STORES
09/17/09 14:49:41 CAN STAY OPEN AND OPERATE 24
09/17/09 14:49:44 HOURS A DAY AND THEY
09/17/09 14:49:46 CAN'T SELL
09/17/09 14:49:47 DURING THAT TIME, BUT THEY ARE
09/17/09 14:49:49 ALLOW TODAY STAY OPEN AND
09/17/09 14:49:49 OPERATE.
09/17/09 14:49:52 THEY DON'T HAVE TO CLOSE LIKE A
09/17/09 14:49:58 RESTAURANT DOES.
09/17/09 14:50:01 >> THE CHURCH AND
09/17/09 14:50:02 HEAD START WE
09/17/09 14:50:04 HAVE LETTERS FROM THEM IN
09/17/09 14:50:05 SUPPORT OF THIS?
09/17/09 14:50:06 >> NO, SIR.
09/17/09 14:50:10 >> WERE THERE ATTEMPTS MADE TO
09/17/09 14:50:11 REACH THEM?
09/17/09 14:50:12 >> AS PART OF THE ATTEMPTS MADE
09/17/09 14:50:15 TO REACH OUT TO THE COMMUNITY,
09/17/09 14:50:16 I
09/17/09 14:50:17 THINK THE HEIGHT HAS A VERY
09/17/09 14:50:18 SOLID TRACK RECORD.
09/17/09 14:50:21 WE HAD AN OPEN HOUSE
09/17/09 14:50:22 VIRTUALLY
09/17/09 14:50:23 ALL OF MY NEXT DOOR NEIGHBORS
09/17/09 14:50:24 WERE THERE.
09/17/09 14:50:25 >> THAT'S NOT MY QUESTION.
09/17/09 14:50:27 MY QUESTION IS WAS THERE AN
09/17/09 14:50:29 ATTEMPT TO REACH OUT TO PALM
09/17/09 14:50:31 BAPTIST CHURCH AND MISSIONARY
09/17/09 14:50:33 BAPTIST CHURCH AND THE DAY CARE
09/17/09 14:50:33 CENTER?
09/17/09 14:50:34 >> OTHER THAN THE SIGNS WE HAD
09/17/09 14:50:37 ON PALM AVENUE AND NORTH
09/17/09 14:50:39 BOULEVARD, NO.
09/17/09 14:50:40 >> THANK YOU.
09/17/09 14:50:43 ONE QUESTION
09/17/09 14:50:43 FOR LEGAL.
09/17/09 14:50:46 LEGAL, IF THIS IS APPROVED
09/17/09 14:50:49 TODAY, THEN THAT MEANS
09/17/09 14:50:49 THAT
09/17/09 14:50:50 WEST
09/17/09 14:50:53 SHORE MALL, TAMPA
09/17/09 14:50:56 BAY MALL, --
09/17/09 14:50:58 NOT TAMPA BAY MALL,
09/17/09 14:50:59 INTERNATIONAL MALL, UNIVERSITY
09/17/09 14:51:02 MALL, ALL OF THEM CAN COME IN
09/17/09 14:51:03 AND REQUEST SIMILAR?
09/17/09 14:51:05 >> THEY COULD LOOK TO THIS AS A
09/17/09 14:51:07 MODEL, THAT THEY COULD SAY WE
09/17/09 14:51:08 BELIEVE THIS FITS OUR PREMISES
09/17/09 14:51:10 AS WELL AND SEEK TO USE A
09/17/09 14:51:11 SIMILAR METHODOLOGY, NO
09/17/09 14:51:12 QUESTION
09/17/09 14:51:14 IN MY MIND ABOUT THAT.
09/17/09 14:51:15 YOU ALL WOULD HAVE TO DECIDE
09/17/09 14:51:18 WHETHER, IN FACT, IT WAS APPLY
09/17/09 14:51:20 KABUL OR NOT --APPLICABLE OR
09/17/09 14:51:23 NOT OR WHETHER IT WAS SIMILAR
09/17/09 14:51:24 OR
09/17/09 14:51:25 NOT.
09/17/09 14:51:27 >> WE'RE GOING TO MAKE THAT
09/17/09 14:51:28 DECISION TODAY.
09/17/09 14:51:30 THIS WILL BE A POLICY CHANGE.
09/17/09 14:51:34 WE'RE GOING TO DECIDE
09/17/09 14:51:34 THAT
09/17/09 14:51:34 TODAY.
09/17/09 14:51:36 >> I DON'T WANT TO UNDERMINE MY
09/17/09 14:51:38 ABILITY IN THE FUTURE TO
09/17/09 14:51:39 ATTEMPT
09/17/09 14:51:40 TO DEFEND THE DECISION OF
09/17/09 14:51:41 COUNCIL, SO I HAVE TO SAY THAT
09/17/09 14:51:44 THEY WOULD HAVE TO CONVINCE
09/17/09 14:51:47 COUNCIL THAT IT IS THE SAME
09/17/09 14:51:49 CIRCUMSTANCE.
09/17/09 14:51:51 >> LISTEN, SINCE I'VE BEEN ON
09/17/09 14:51:52 THIS COUNCIL, ONE MALL CAME
09/17/09 14:51:54 IN --WHAT'S THE NAME OF THAT
09/17/09 14:51:57 PLACE OVER THERE ON WEST SHORE,
09/17/09 14:51:58 MAN, WE HAD A FIT.
09/17/09 14:52:00 WE HAD A FIT.
09/17/09 14:52:01 >> SPORTS BAR.
09/17/09 14:52:03 >> SPORTS BAR.
09/17/09 14:52:06 THE BUCS CAME
09/17/09 14:52:08 IN --I DON'T
09/17/09 14:52:08 HAVE
09/17/09 14:52:09 TO GO DOWN THIS PATH.
09/17/09 14:52:11 I'M SAYING I LIKE TO BE
09/17/09 14:52:12 CONSISTENT.
09/17/09 14:52:13 I REALLY TRY TO BE CONSISTENT
09/17/09 14:52:14 TO
09/17/09 14:52:17 BE FAIR,
09/17/09 14:52:19 THAT'S ALL.
09/17/09 14:52:19 OKAY.
09/17/09 14:52:20 YES.
09/17/09 14:52:21 >> MOVE TO CLOSE.
09/17/09 14:52:22 >> OKAY.
09/17/09 14:52:23 >> SECOND.
09/17/09 14:52:24 >> I'M SORRY.
09/17/09 14:52:25 DID PETITIONER HAVE AN
09/17/09 14:52:26 OPPORTUNITY FOR REBUTTAL AND
09/17/09 14:52:27 THE
09/17/09 14:52:30 LAST WORD BEFORE
09/17/09 14:52:32 YOU CLOSED?
09/17/09 14:52:33 PETITIONER.
09/17/09 14:52:34 >> I DON'T HAVE ANY FORMAL
09/17/09 14:52:35 REBUTTAL.
09/17/09 14:52:36 I WILL SAY, MR. CHAIRMAN, THAT
09/17/09 14:52:37 WHEN I STARTED THIS PROCESS I
09/17/09 14:52:41 DID LOOK TO THE
09/17/09 14:52:42 BUSCH GARDENS
09/17/09 14:52:44 PETITION AND ORDINANCE.
09/17/09 14:52:46 I DIDN'T TRY TO REINVENT THE
09/17/09 14:52:47 WHEEL, I DIDN'T WANT TO DO
09/17/09 14:52:48 THAT.
09/17/09 14:52:49 I DID LOOK TO THAT.
09/17/09 14:52:50 THIS IS MUCH DIFFERENT FOR A
09/17/09 14:52:51 LOT
09/17/09 14:52:52 OF DIFFERENT REASONS.
09/17/09 14:52:53 IT'S DIFFERENT THAN A MALL.
09/17/09 14:52:56 IT'S A MIXED USE PROJECT, IT'S
09/17/09 14:52:58 A
09/17/09 14:52:59 PDA.
09/17/09 14:53:00 I COULD GO ON ON THAT IF THAT
09/17/09 14:53:01 ISSUE CAME UP.
09/17/09 14:53:02 I DO UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERN
09/17/09 14:53:03 AND
09/17/09 14:53:05 WE APPRECIATE YOUR
09/17/09 14:53:05 CONSIDERATION.
09/17/09 14:53:08 >> THANK YOU.
09/17/09 14:53:09 MOTION TO CLOSE.
09/17/09 14:53:10 >> MOTION TO CLOSE.
09/17/09 14:53:11 >> SECOND.
09/17/09 14:53:14 >> ALL IN FAVOR BY SAYING I.
09/17/09 14:53:14 >> I.
09/17/09 14:53:17 >> THANK YOU.
09/17/09 14:53:18 TAMPA IS EVOLVING AND I'VE
09/17/09 14:53:18 NEVER
09/17/09 14:53:20 SEEN ANYTHING LIKE THIS BEFORE.
09/17/09 14:53:22 I DARE SAY IT'S UNIQUE NOT ONLY
09/17/09 14:53:24 TO TAMPA BUT MAYBE ANYWHERE.
09/17/09 14:53:27 BUT I THINK THAT THIS IS A
09/17/09 14:53:28 DEVELOPER WHO'S PROVEN THAT
09/17/09 14:53:30 THEY'RE TRYING TO DEVELOP A
09/17/09 14:53:31 VERY
09/17/09 14:53:34 HIGH QUALITY MIXED USE AREA,
09/17/09 14:53:36 AND
09/17/09 14:53:38 IT'S TO THEIR DETRIMENT IF THEY
09/17/09 14:53:40 DON'T MAKE THE PEOPLE WHO WILL
09/17/09 14:53:43 COME LATER AS RESIDENTS
09/17/09 14:53:45 COMFORTABLE WITH ANY OF THESE
09/17/09 14:53:46 LIQUOR ZONINGS BECAUSE THE
09/17/09 14:53:47 LIQUOR ZONINGS ARE COMING FIRST
09/17/09 14:53:49 AND THE RESTAURANTS AND BARS
09/17/09 14:53:50 AND
09/17/09 14:53:52 OTHER ACTIVITY CENTERS.
09/17/09 14:53:54 SO GIVEN THE ADDITIONAL
09/17/09 14:53:56 CONSTRAINTS THAT OUR STAFF
09/17/09 14:53:57 INSISTED BE PLACED ON THIS, I'M
09/17/09 14:53:58 COMFORTABLE SUPPORTING THIS.
09/17/09 14:54:01 I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE
09/17/09 14:54:02 THIS.
09/17/09 14:54:02 >> SECOND.
09/17/09 14:54:03 >> READ THE ORDINANCE.
09/17/09 14:54:06 >> SOMEBODY NEEDS TO HAND IT TO
09/17/09 14:54:07 ME.
09/17/09 14:54:09 >> YOU NEED TO INCLUDE ALL THE
09/17/09 14:54:10 REVISIONS.
09/17/09 14:54:11 >> CITY COUNCIL, YES, IF I
09/17/09 14:54:11 COULD
09/17/09 14:54:13 JUST ASK YOU TO INCLUDE IN YOUR
09/17/09 14:54:15 MOTION THE CHANGES TO THE SITE
09/17/09 14:54:17 PLAN AS INCLUDED IN THE STAFF
09/17/09 14:54:19 REPORT AND ALSO AS INCLUDED IN
09/17/09 14:54:22 SECTION C6 OF THE FOURTH
09/17/09 14:54:23 REVISED
09/17/09 14:54:27 ATTACHMENT A AS WELL AS IF
09/17/09 14:54:28 YOU
09/17/09 14:54:30 COULD INCLUDE A DIRECTION TO
09/17/09 14:54:31 LEGAL DEPARTMENT TO AMEND THE
09/17/09 14:54:33 ORDINANCE TO INCLUDE THE
09/17/09 14:54:34 WHEREAS
09/17/09 14:54:36 CLAUSES THAT WERE SUPPLIED INTO
09/17/09 14:54:38 THE RECORD TODAY AS WELL AS TO
09/17/09 14:54:41 INCLUDE
09/17/09 14:54:43 ANY ORDINANCE SECTION
09/17/09 14:54:43 C6
09/17/09 14:54:45 OF THE FOURTH AMENDMENT
09/17/09 14:54:48 ATTACHMENT A
09/17/09 14:54:51 DEALING WITH
09/17/09 14:54:54 REPORTING, MONITORING AND
09/17/09 14:54:55 ENFORCEMENT REQUIREMENTS AS
09/17/09 14:54:56 WELL
09/17/09 14:54:58 AS A NONSEVERRABILITY CLAUSE,
09/17/09 14:54:59 AND I APOLOGIZE THAT THE
09/17/09 14:55:00 CHANGES
09/17/09 14:55:02 TO THE SITE PLAN NEED TO BE
09/17/09 14:55:03 INCLUDED, THE CHANGES MENTIONED
09/17/09 14:55:04 IN THE STAFF REPORT AND ALL OF
09/17/09 14:55:05 THE CONDITIONS LISTED IN
09/17/09 14:55:06 SECTION
09/17/09 14:55:07 C OF THE FOURTH REVISED
09/17/09 14:55:08 ATTACHMENT A.
09/17/09 14:55:11 >> WHICH IS EXACTLY WHY IT'S
09/17/09 14:55:12 SO
09/17/09 14:55:14 IMPORTANT THAT THIS IS CORRECT.
09/17/09 14:55:15 I'D LIKE TO MOVE THE FOLLOWING
09/17/09 14:55:17 ORDINANCE FOR FIRST READING.
09/17/09 14:55:17 >> SECOND.
09/17/09 14:55:19 >> AN ORDINANCE PROVIDING
09/17/09 14:55:20 SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR
09/17/09 14:55:21 ALCOHOLIC
09/17/09 14:55:23 BEVERAGE SAILS --SALES LARGE
09/17/09 14:55:26 VENUE AND MAKING LAWFUL SALE OF
09/17/09 14:55:29 ALCOHOL VENUE BEER WINE
09/17/09 14:55:29 AND
09/17/09 14:55:32 LIQUOR 4 COP FOR CONSUMPTION ON
09/17/09 14:55:34 THE PREMISES AND IN CONCEALED
09/17/09 14:55:36 CONSHUM OUN OFF THE PREMISES
09/17/09 14:55:36 FOR
09/17/09 14:55:39 THE TRACT OF LAND AT
09/17/09 14:55:41 THE
09/17/09 14:55:41 HEIGHTS.
09/17/09 14:55:43 AS MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED
09/17/09 14:55:46 IN SECTION 2 HEREOF, APPROVING
09/17/09 14:55:47 WAIVERS SET FORTH HEREIN,
09/17/09 14:55:49 PROVIDING FOR ALL APPEAL OF
09/17/09 14:55:50 ORDINANCES AND CONFLICT,
09/17/09 14:55:51 PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE AND
09/17/09 14:55:53 INCLUDING THE PROVISIONS
09/17/09 14:55:56 IDENTIFIED BY MS. KERT, OUR
09/17/09 14:55:59 LEGAL
09/17/09 14:56:00 COUNCIL.
09/17/09 14:56:01 >> QUESTIONS?
09/17/09 14:56:02 >> YEAH.
09/17/09 14:56:05 I JUST QUESTION HOW WE
09/17/09 14:56:06 COULD
09/17/09 14:56:09 POSSIBLY APPROVE THIS AT THIS
09/17/09 14:56:10 POINT WHEN WE SPENT MORE TIME
09/17/09 14:56:11 ON
09/17/09 14:56:14 THE
09/17/09 14:56:16 LITTLE TINIEST RESTAURANT
09/17/09 14:56:18 CONVENIENCE STORE IN ANY
09/17/09 14:56:19 NEIGHBORHOOD IN THIS CITY
09/17/09 14:56:20 DISCUSSING IT.
09/17/09 14:56:21 I THINK IT'S UNBELIEVABLE THAT
09/17/09 14:56:24 WE WOULD EVEN
09/17/09 14:56:26 CONSIDER IT.
09/17/09 14:56:27 I THINK IT'S IRRELEVANT THAT
09/17/09 14:56:28 THIS IS A WONDERFUL DEVELOPMENT
09/17/09 14:56:30 PROJECT, THAT WE LIKE THE
09/17/09 14:56:31 DEVELOPERS THAT WE LIKE THE
09/17/09 14:56:34 PEOPLE WHO ARE SPONSORING
09/17/09 14:56:36 THIS,
09/17/09 14:56:39 BUT IT TOTALLY SETS A
09/17/09 14:56:39 PRECEDENT,
09/17/09 14:56:40 TOTALLY CHANGES THE POLICY
09/17/09 14:56:42 WE'VE
09/17/09 14:56:42 ALWAYS TAKEN.
09/17/09 14:56:44 I THINK IT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY
09/17/09 14:56:47 ESPECIALLY BECAUSE THIS IS
09/17/09 14:56:48 A
09/17/09 14:56:49 PRETTY --I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY
09/17/09 14:56:50 RESIDENTS THERE ARE WITHIN THIS
09/17/09 14:56:52 RIGHT NOW, ANY?
09/17/09 14:56:53 >> NONE.
09/17/09 14:56:54 >> NO.
09/17/09 14:56:55 SO WE NEED TO --SO WE NEED TO
09/17/09 14:56:56 THINK FOR THOSE PEOPLE THAT ARE
09/17/09 14:56:57 GOING TO BE LIVING THERE, IF
09/17/09 14:56:58 YOU
09/17/09 14:56:59 WANT TO HAVE RESIDENTS THERE,
09/17/09 14:57:00 YOU NEED TO THINK AHEAD FOR
09/17/09 14:57:01 THEM.
09/17/09 14:57:02 THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT WOULD
09/17/09 14:57:02 BE
09/17/09 14:57:03 COMING HERE SAYING WHETHER OR
09/17/09 14:57:05 NOT THEY WANTED A RESTAURANT OR
09/17/09 14:57:05 A BAR.
09/17/09 14:57:07 AND THE WHOLE --THIS IS
09/17/09 14:57:07 EXACTLY
09/17/09 14:57:09 WHAT HAPPENED IN YBOR, WE
09/17/09 14:57:10 REMOVED THE DISTANCE
09/17/09 14:57:11 SEPARATIONS
09/17/09 14:57:13 AND WE ALLOWED ALL THESE BARS
09/17/09 14:57:14 TO
09/17/09 14:57:14 OPEN.
09/17/09 14:57:16 AND IT'S ALSO WHAT'S HAPPENING
09/17/09 14:57:19 IN SOHO WHERE ALL THESE
09/17/09 14:57:21 RESTAURANTS OPENED, BUT THEY
09/17/09 14:57:21 GOT
09/17/09 14:57:22 COMPLIANT.
09/17/09 14:57:23 SO WE'RE GOING --COMPLAINTS.
09/17/09 14:57:25 SO WE'RE GOING TO ASSUME
09/17/09 14:57:26 ENFORCEMENT WILL WORK.
09/17/09 14:57:28 I'VE GOT TO TELL YOU,
09/17/09 14:57:29 MR. DINGFELDER, I'VE LIVED IN
09/17/09 14:57:31 OTHER BIG CITIES AND TRAVELED A
09/17/09 14:57:34 LOT, AND THIS IS NOT HOW
09/17/09 14:57:37 A
09/17/09 14:57:40 VIBRANT URBAN GROWS BY WET
09/17/09 14:57:42 ZONING AN ENTIRE CITY.
09/17/09 14:57:44 WE SPENT SO MANY HOURS LOOKING
09/17/09 14:57:45 INDIVIDUALLY AT EVERYTHING, I
09/17/09 14:57:47 SAID WHY DON'T WE JUST WET ZONE
09/17/09 14:57:49 THE SPIR CITY AND THEN PEOPLE
09/17/09 14:57:52 CAN COME TO US AND COME TO US
09/17/09 14:57:54 AND ASK NOT TO BE WET ZONED.
09/17/09 14:57:55 WE'VE NEVER TAKEN THAT
09/17/09 14:57:56 APPROACH.
09/17/09 14:57:59 I THINK YOU SHOULD ALSO KEEP IN
09/17/09 14:58:02 MIND
09/17/09 14:58:03 25% OF THESE
09/17/09 14:58:04 ESTABLISHMENTS
09/17/09 14:58:05 CAN BE BARS WITHIN THIS, AND
09/17/09 14:58:06 THAT'S A LOT.
09/17/09 14:58:09 THAT'S A LOT OF BARS.
09/17/09 14:58:11 I CAN'T EVEN MAKE A
09/17/09 14:58:12 DETERMINATION ABOUT WHETHER THE
09/17/09 14:58:14 WAIVERS ARE WARRANTED BECAUSE I
09/17/09 14:58:15 DON'T KNOW WHO'S ASKING FOR
09/17/09 14:58:16 WHAT
09/17/09 14:58:17 WAIVERS FOR WHAT.
09/17/09 14:58:19 SO I JUST CANNOT SUPPORT THIS,
09/17/09 14:58:22 AND I'M GOING TO BE JUST
09/17/09 14:58:25 ASTOUNDED IF THIS PASSES IN
09/17/09 14:58:27 ANY
09/17/09 14:58:27 FORM.
09/17/09 14:58:28 >> COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
09/17/09 14:58:31 >> THANK YOU,
09/17/09 14:58:34 MR. CHAIRMAN.
09/17/09 14:58:36 LET ME SEE HOW I CAN PHRASE
09/17/09 14:58:37 THIS.
09/17/09 14:58:38 I WAS NOT IN THE MAJORITY TO
09/17/09 14:58:39 CHANGE THE RULES TO ALLOW A
09/17/09 14:58:40 RESTAURANT TO STAY OPEN TO 3:00
09/17/09 14:58:42 IN THE MORNING.
09/17/09 14:58:44 THAT WAS DONE BY MAJORITY OF
09/17/09 14:58:44 COUNCIL.
09/17/09 14:58:45 LET ME SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT.
09/17/09 14:58:47 >> HOW MANY YEARS AGO?
09/17/09 14:58:49 >> THIS YEAR.
09/17/09 14:58:52 OR LAST YEAR, ONE OF
09/17/09 14:58:53 THE TWO.
09/17/09 14:58:54 WE HAD DIFFERENCES.
09/17/09 14:58:56 IT WAS PASSED ON A 4-3 VOTE.
09/17/09 14:58:57 I CAN TELL YOU WHO VOTED, BUT
09/17/09 14:58:59 I'M NOT GOING TO DO THAT.
09/17/09 14:59:01 SO LET ME SAY THAT FIRST.
09/17/09 14:59:02 SECONDLY, I HAVE NO FRIENDS ON
09/17/09 14:59:05 THAT SIDE OF THE MICROPHONE
09/17/09 14:59:05 AND
09/17/09 14:59:07 LESS ON THIS SIDE OF THE
09/17/09 14:59:08 MICROPHONE BECAUSE WE ALL GOT
09/17/09 14:59:11 ELECTED BY THE
09/17/09 14:59:14 SAME PUBLIC IN
09/17/09 14:59:15 ONE FORM OR ANOTHER.
09/17/09 14:59:17 AND I CAN GUARANTEE YOU IF THIS
09/17/09 14:59:20 WOULD HAVE BEEN NFC, THE SOHO
09/17/09 14:59:21 DISTRICT WOULD HAVE BEEN A
09/17/09 14:59:22 LITTLE DIFFERENT, YBOR CITY
09/17/09 14:59:23 WOULD HAVE BEEN A LITTLE
09/17/09 14:59:25 DIFFERENT BECAUSE THEN YOU KNEW
09/17/09 14:59:26 WHAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN BEFORE
09/17/09 14:59:29 YOU MOVED
09/17/09 14:59:29 IN.
09/17/09 14:59:31 SO I'M NOT TRYING TO SWAY
09/17/09 14:59:33 ANYONE'S VOTE, I DON'T
09/17/09 14:59:33 CHALLENGE
09/17/09 14:59:34 ANYONE'S VOTE, I DON'T CARE HOW
09/17/09 14:59:36 THE COUNCIL VOTES, I JUST WORRY
09/17/09 14:59:38 ABOUT MY VOTE, AND I'M NOT
09/17/09 14:59:39 GOING
09/17/09 14:59:40 TO TELL YOU I'M PERFECT BECAUSE
09/17/09 14:59:42 I'M NOT, BUT I THINK THIS IS AN
09/17/09 14:59:44 INNOVATIVE WAY, AND WHEN YOU
09/17/09 14:59:44 SEE
09/17/09 14:59:46 BY THE WAY I LOOK AT IT NOW, IT
09/17/09 14:59:49 LOOKS LIKE I'M WITH MY TWO BEST
09/17/09 14:59:51 FRIENDS, DINGFELDER AND
09/17/09 14:59:53 SAUL-SENA, AS OF TODAY, ANYWAY.
09/17/09 14:59:55 SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS THESE ARE
09/17/09 14:59:57 THE THINGS THAT YOU HAVE TO
09/17/09 14:59:57 LOOK
09/17/09 14:59:58 AT.
09/17/09 15:00:01 YOU HAVE TO BE A REALIST, YOU
09/17/09 15:00:04 HAVE TO UNDERSTAND A VISION
09/17/09 15:00:04 SOMEWHERE.
09/17/09 15:00:05 IN FACT, YOU MIGHT EVEN HAVE
09/17/09 15:00:06 THE
09/17/09 15:00:07 LIGHT RAIL STOPPING HERE
09/17/09 15:00:07 BECAUSE
09/17/09 15:00:09 OF THE POPULATION THAT'S
09/17/09 15:00:10 COMING.
09/17/09 15:00:11 SO THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT I
09/17/09 15:00:12 SEE AND I'M NOT GOING TO
09/17/09 15:00:14 QUESTION IT, I'M JUST GOING TO
09/17/09 15:00:14 SUPPORT IT.
09/17/09 15:00:17 THANK YOU VERY MUCH,
09/17/09 15:00:18 MR. CHAIRMAN.
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