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Tampa City Council
Thursday, September 22, 2005
5:30 p.m. Session

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>>CHAIRMAN GWEN MILLER: Tampa City Council is called to order. The chair yields to Mr. White.
>>Attending the Florida Theologic Center University, married and is the father of six children.
He's a great member of our community.
At this time, we would ask for him to come forward and give us our invocation, at which time we will remain standing for our pledge of allegiance.
>> Almighty God, we come now.
Lord, we come first of all, we want to thank you.
Thank you for giving us this opportunity to approach the throne of grace.
O God, we realize that you have been awful good to us.
You have blessed us.
You blessed this entire community.
Lord, we thank you for that.
And as we come tonight, Lord, we ask that you bless each and every one of your hand-chosen servants that are here to attend the affairs of this fine community.
O Lord, we realize they carry a heavy load on their shoulders, but you being the all wise God that you are, you will help them through.
Lord, we pray tonight that you will shower down wisdom and understanding, and most of all righteousness on each and every one of them.
Lord, we also come asking that you bless them, bless their families.
And Lord, we also ask that you bless the families that they all represent.
O Lord, if you grant these petitions, we'll always be mindful to give him the praises and all of the glory in his blessed, holy and righteous name we pray.

>>GWEN MILLER: Roll call.
>>JOHN DINGFELDER: (No response.)
>>LINDA SAUL-SENA: (No response.)
>>ROSE FERLITA: (No response.)
At this time we go to item number 2.
We need to open the public hearing.
>> So moved.
>> Second.
(Motion carried)
>>MARTIN SHELBY: Swear in the witnesses for number 2, please.
(Oath administered by Clerk)
>>DENNIS FERNANDEZ: Manager historic preservation, here on item number 2, which is the first public hearing for the marked designation of the Gary public school. I have a short PowerPoint to show you.
If we can get the PowerPoint on.
This is Gary public school was built in 1912, opened in 1913, with. The B. Kirk as principal, it is located at 3610 east 10th Avenue, which is just east of Ybor City.
It was originally in the community of Gary, which is a rural farming community.
There was a cigar factory in that area, some phosphate mills, and much farming and the founder of the city coined the phrase, Gary makes celery grow and celery makes Gary grow.
By 1938 that growth was very apparent.
The school itself opened to accommodate the needs of the growing community.
You can see an aerial of that school here.
The school is still in its original footprint, which is usual for older schools.
It is one -- the fifth oldest school in the City of Tampa, and also the smallest.
You can see in the upper right-hand corner, that is the original 1929 Sanborn map which indicates the Gary school.
That's where the city limits end so they didn't bother to put the back end on the map.
You can see a picture of the school today.
The school is actually closing.
It had been an adult use school for the last several years.
But most of it's history it was an elementary school.
It's a 3-story red brick building done primarily in the Mediterranean revival style.
The windows are both in an arch style and the traditional vertical double hung.
You see the entryway.
This photo, the oldest photo we have was taken in 1964, but the entryway was virtually unchanged since it was built in 1913.
Square footage is 21,561 square feet.
And in 1912 the structure cost $20,000 to build.
You can see some of the features of the school.
Here are some interior shots.
And obviously the landmark designation doesn't pertain to the interior unless taken advantage of but I think it shows the integrity of this particular school, and it's virtually unchanged.
It's like walking into the past.
>> I just want to say the only thing is...
>>> A landmark designation is qualifying under criterion A, the association made in the history of the broad patterns of the community, in this case, in the name of education.
And under criterion C, which is referring to its stylistic elements and the architecture.
And the HPC is recommending this for local landmark to the secretary of interior standards applying for the designation.
Thank you.
>>MARY ALVAREZ: Mr. Fernandez, Gary was a very integral part of the Gary community.
And I hate to see it close or be in disrepair that it is, but can you tell me whether they have a new he will remit I -- elementary school in that area now?
>> I don't believe so.
I don't believe this school is being replaced by a new elementary school because it has been converted to an adult use for the last several years.
I know that the student population was a very intensive program, where there was just a small amount of students in the class per instructor, so the population was very small.
>>MARY ALVAREZ: What about the school board?
Has the school board relinquished their ownership to the city?
>>> No, the ownership is still retained to the school board.
But the school is now closed.
It's not functioning for this term.
The school board as far as I know is going to retain ownership until a future date.
Councilwoman Saul-Sena may be able to expand on that.
>>MARY ALVAREZ: So if we give it the historic designation, does that mean that the school board has to -- will be the one to take care of their repairs and things like that?
>>> Well, the designation doesn't compel any type of action to be taken.
It's only when action is taken that it applies.
As Ms. Saul-Sena had mentioned, the roof is compromised at this point, and from history we can see vacant buildings tend to deteriorate at an accelerated rate.
What we would hope is that the first effort would be to secure the building and mothball it and then wait for an appropriate use to come in, and then that owner would be an appropriate group to actually do the rehabilitation of the school.
>> I certainly would like for the school board to reopen it as an elementary school.
I'm sure they have the need for in the that area.
Thank you.
>>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Thank you.
I talked to them about it.
They are building a new adult ed school up the street.
They currently have the people in trailers.
But today at the West Tampa Boys and Girls Club opening, Joe Capitano, who is involved with the nonprofit, has a strong interest in securing it for a nonprofit that would use it as a school.
And if there's a school board representative here, I'd like to get them together with Mr. Capitano as soon as possible because he has the resources to mothball it properly until it can be rehabbed.
>>MARY ALVAREZ: Sounds good.
>>GWEN MILLER: Planning Commission staff?
>>> Rose Petrusha, Planning Commission staff.
We on September 12th found it consistent with the goals, objectives and policies. Thank you.
>>GWEN MILLER: Is there anyone in the public that would like to speak on item number 2?
>>KEVIN WHITE: Move to close.
>> Second.
(Motion carried)
>>MARY ALVAREZ: Move an ordinance of the city of Tampa, Florida designating Gary public school, 3610 east 10th Avenue Tampa, Florida, in section 3 hereof as a local landmark producing for repeal of all ordinances in conflict, providing for severability, providing an effective date.
>>GWEN MILLER: I have a motion and second.
(Motion carried)
>>GWEN MILLER: We go into recess until 6:00 p.m.
(City Council recess taken.)

[Sounding gavel]
>>GWEN MILLER: Tampa City Council is called back to order.
Roll call.
>>MARY ALVAREZ: (No response.)
At this time we turn to Catherine Coyle.
>>CATHERINE COYLE: I'm soever, Catherine Coyle, land development.
Item number 4, Z 05-94, there was a transmission requesting continuance to a morning meeting.
That would require council waiving their rules for this.
Just a note.
Council's first available night meeting with an open slot is January 26th, 6 p.m.
Truett is here for to speak to the request for a morning meeting.
>> Truett Gardner, 101 South Franklin.
We have been working with the neighborhood on this, and have a morning request.
The only thing is we are -- we rescind the morning request.
January seemed like a long way to go.
But if no concessions can be made we'll take that.
But if so that will be fine. The neighborhood association representatives are here and they would also be fine with an earlier evening hearing.
So we'll leave that up to you.
But just would request a continuance, and again the earliest night meeting possible.
>>GWEN MILLER: Is anyone in the public here to speak on item 4?
You may come up and speak on the continuance.
Only the continuance.
>>> If I speak on the continuance, it won't preclude me from speaking --.
>>GWEN MILLER: That's right.
Just the continuance.
>>> Karen Cole, South Moody Avenue.
I haven't been sworn.
>>MARTIN SHELBY: That's okay.
>>> I'm here on behalf of Bayshore Gardens.
And we would request that it be scheduled at our evening meeting.
Just to kind of give you an idea of our issues --.
>>GWEN MILLER: You can't do that.
>>MARTIN SHELBY: For or against the continuance.
>>> Oh, you didn't know why we needed a continuance?
We need one.
>>GWEN MILLER: Anyone else?
>>CATHERINE COYLE: Just to reiterate, the October 20th meeting there are three continued cases.
October 27th, you have three.
November 17th you have three.
December 8th you have three.
And January 12th, two weeks ago we continued three to that night to fill up those three slots.
As I said before, January 26th is the first one.
I don't know if you're willing to waive your rules.
>>SHAWN HARRISON: Move to continue to January 26th.
>> Second.
>>GWEN MILLER: Motion and second to continue to January 26th at 6 p.m., item 4.
(Motion carried)
Item number 5, Z 05-94, there was a request from Ann Pollack, to continue the case to January 6, 2006.
There is an open slot that night.
>>GWEN MILLER: Is anyone here to speak on the continuance of item number 5?
>>MARTIN SHELBY: Item number 5.
>>GWEN MILLER: Anyone to speak on the continuance?
>>SHAWN HARRISON: Move to continue to January 26 at 6 p.m.
(Motion carried)
>>CATHERINE COYLE: Last but not least, item number 7, V 05-60. This request is for the first available meeting which is also January 26th.
This will be the third continuance that night.
So that night will be full at this point.
Motion and second to open item number 7.
Anyone in the audience to speak item number 7 on the continuance?
Motion to continue.
>>MARY ALVAREZ: Motion to continue.
>>CATHERINE COYLE: January 26, 2006, 6 p.m.
>>GWEN MILLER: 6 p.m.
We have a motion and second.
(Motion carried)
>>CATHERINE COYLE: Item number 1.
C 05-06.
That is linked directly to the last item on the agenda, Z 05-130.
It is a second reading for the vacating and this is the first reading for the rezoning.
The petitioner had a question.
So did staff, whether or not you wanted to bring the zoning case up to hear it with the vacating or --.
>>GWEN MILLER: Yes, we will.
>>CATHERINE COYLE: We would be opening item number 1 and 16.
(Motion carried)
>>MARTIN SHELBY: These are all quasi-judicial hearings.
I would ask anybody to be speaking to please be sworn.
>>GWEN MILLER: Anyone speaking on 1 through 16 please stand and raise your right hand.
(Oath administered by Clerk)
>>MARTIN SHELBY: When you state your name please reaffirm for the record you have been sworn.
I would ask that all written communications relative to tonight's hearings that have been available to the public at council's office are received and filed into the record at this time.
>>LINDA SAUL-SENA: So moved.
>> Second.
(Motion carried)
>>MARTIN SHELBY: If any member of the City Council has had any verbal communications with any petitioner, his or her representative or any members of the public in connection with any of the quasi-judicial hearings tonight, that member of council should please disclose the member, group or entity with whom the verbal communication occurred, and the substance of that verbal communication.
Thank you.
>>> Good evening, council.
Marty Boyle, land development.
This is the corner of Gray and Howard.
The armory.
The proposed rezoning is going from a commercial intensive in a residential marketing plan family to a planned development.
I'll show you an aerial.
This is the vacating we are speaking about right here.
The alleyway.
This is Gray.
It's located in the West Tampa overlay district.
I'll show you some other pictures.
The subject site, right there.
There's Gray.
This is looking north on Howard.
And this is looking south of Gray on the east side of Howard.
The petitioner is proposing to rezone the property at 2119 West Gray Street to a planned development to construct an office building consisting of a maximum of 2500 -- 2373 square feet.
I'm sorry, a professional office, on 4,750 square feet of medical office.
The maximum building height is 17 feet.
The plan shows 30 parking spaces and access to Gray Street.
From Gray Street, vehicular traffic can make a right or left onto Howard, an existing alley adjacent and to the north of site be paved north of Carmen and east of Albany.
We had a couple of objections from transportation.
However, today, the petitioner came and cleared those up.
One was from transportation, that the commercial use in the plan is a professional office.
And also we had to know about the signage on the property.
And they also put a note that they would comply.
>>LINDA SAUL-SENA: The note we have says a 4-foot pylon sign.
I think you mean monument sign.
>>CATHERINE COYLE: Land development.
You are correct.
That's one of the code amendment clean-up items.
Because in the code right now it says pylon, because pylon used to be a ground sign.
In our code it used to be reversed so we can correct that on the plan.
>>JOHN DINGFELDER: Quick question.
It says that transportation had objections, or no transportation objections?
>>> There was an objection.
However, they placed a note addressing that on the site plan to state -- their objection was should say professional office and did it not.
So they place add note saying that it would.
The findings of fact, the site is located within the proposed expansion of the Tampa enterprise zone.
In 1994 Tampa was one of 65 nationwide to be designated an enterprise community.
This is for defined areas within the community that are experiencing high poverty and unemployment and crime rates it is in Tampa's approximately 11.8 square miles and encompasses many neighborhoods including West Tampa.
We find it is tint with the future land use plan, policy A-9.3, development projects, enterprise community must be designed for pedestrian traffic.
They do this in providing sidewalks that are proposing along Howard and Gray for pedestrian use.
Also policy A-9.4 mixed use projects that integrate different classification of uses, commercial, residential, preferred over single-use projects.
This project does only consist of one use but we still find it is consistent.
It meets the urban design criteria.
So with the meeting the objections with the notes on the site plan, we have no objections.
>>GWEN MILLER: Ms. Alvarez as a question.
>>MARY ALVAREZ: Isn't this in the West Tampa overlay?
>>> Yes.
>> Did you meet with them?
Did they meet with them?
>>> They are complying with all the regulations.
>>TONY GARCIA: Planning Commission staff.
I am going to go over a couple more things regarding the context of the area.
As Ms. Boyle stated, I will show you an area.
The use is surrounding the proposed site.
There are two -- the back parcel, and flip back and forth. The back partial is residential 10.
Along the east side of Howard Avenue north and south, and south of Gray Street you have CMU-35.
Public semi-public.
And residential 10 along Carmen street and Gray Street.
CMU-35 along Cass Street, transition to a degree as has Howard Avenue, and Armenia Avenue.
This follows in the trend of development that occurred along Howard and Armenia as far as low density office development, again going back to the particular site you can see even though they are going to be accessing Gray Street as a primary entrance, what's important to note here is the property has already been cleared for a potential -- rezoning has not even come to council for yet approval so you will be receiving a request for nonresidential use on this corner, here, here, of course here, and office here.
So it is consistent as far as what's offered on the corridors, and is a logical transition for intensity as one goes into a residential neighborhood.
Planning Commission staff has no objections with the proposed request.
>>GWEN MILLER: Petitioner.
>>> If I could pass these out, if I may.
Thank you, Madam Chair.
Jim Porter, Ruud and McCluskey, Tampa, Florida representing applicant tonight. With me is Dave Withal, and Jerry Torten, and he will be speaking as well.
We are very excited about speaking tonight and bringing this project to you. The request is for a rezoning of planned development to allow medical and professional office on Howard Avenue across from the armory at the intersection of Gray Street and Howard.
You will recall the earlier this Sumter property was in front of you for vacating petition.
In fact as council had the first reading for the vacating, there were questions raised at that time and subsequent research showed that part of the property was actually zoned RM-16.
The property on Gray Street.
We met with city staff, and it was determined that a parking lot is allowed as a special use in the RM-16 category, but staff really felt that it would better serve the interest of the city if we came in with a planned development for the whole area, and we agreed, which is why we are here tonight.
So council very graciously allowed us to continue the second reading of the vacating until tonight so that we could bring it with the rezoning.
I wanted to take a minute to orient you.
And this is part of your packet.
This is Howard Avenue.
And Gray Street.
There's five apartments totaling about 25, 7 acres.
15, 16 and 17 are zoned RM-16.
The portion in pink is the part that is asked to be vacated.
I know councilman Dingfelder and Saul-Sena raised specific questions about public right-of-way and alleyway being vacated.
I think what you will find from the photographs that I will be showing you that this is not a traditional alley way like would you see in Hyde Park or other older parts of the city.
In fact it's an unimproved, and that's why we are asking it be vacated.
This portion of the alley will not be vacated, nor will this.
In fact, the city has requested and the applicant has agreed that this portion, north of Carmen, this portion east Albany, be paved.
The applicant has agreed to improve that.
You'll recall that the property owner on parcel 12, the environmental resources group, had appeared several times in opposition.
We have had several meetings with them.
And you will note that they are not here tonight.
We think weir we have resolved all their concerns and don't believe they are in opposition any longer.
I want to show you a few photographs to supplement what Marty has already shown you.
This is the property.
As I said
There were five lots here.
Apparently the building that you see here is an abandoned VFW building and the garage.
This is actually on the property zoned residential that. Would be removed and that's where the parking lot would be.
This is also the subject site, looking north.
This is the environmental group that originally opposed us that is no longer opposing.
And the next photograph is somewhat cloudy but it's standing on the property and overlooking the armory, which is directly across the street.
This is the right-of-way that we are proposing be vacated.
As you can see it's basically a dirt path leading through the property.
This is the alleyway running east of Albany.
As you can see it's unimproved, unpaved and the applicant will be paving that.
This will be removed as well.
>>JOHN DINGFELDER: A quick question on the alleyway.
I can't recall exactly.
I remember the project well.
But are you giving an easement, a transportation easement across your two-way lane that goes across the property?
>>> To whom, to the city?
>> To the public.
>>> No.
>> But it appears that your project ties in to -- ties into the alley.
And it appears that your two-way -- if everybody looks at it, your two-way lane that cuts through the middle connects straight into the alley.
>>> I can put the site plan on.
>> So now you know what I'm talking about.
>>> Yes.
>> So a transportation pattern, for some of your customers, if they don't want to go back on Howard, they might want don't go out and use this alley that you guys are gracious enough to be paving.
>>> They'll be able to use that.
>> So my point is, I could support this wholeheartedly if you granted a permanent transportation easement to the public across there in lieu of the alley that you're taking.
>>> I understand what you're saying.
I think there are potential liability issues with that, allowing the public to access the parking lot.
>> Any more so than just having the public there as your clients?
>>> Well, they will be able to.
Public using the property will be able to come in on Gray Street, circulation pattern goes around this way, and they'll be able to exit the alleyway or exit back onto Gray Street.
>>JOHN DINGFELDER: Well, maybe we can accomplish this anyway.
If you have a note on there that says -- that your Gray Street entrance and your entrance to the alley will always remain open.
>>> Okay I don't see the A problem with that.
That's fine.
Actually, might be able to answer the question more specifically.
>>JOHN DINGFELDER: That was my only question.
>>> This is looking north on Howard.
Our next door neighbor and the neighbor next to the.
This is across the street in front of the armory.
These are all part of your packet.
This does comply with the West Tampa overlay district, councilwoman Alvarez.
It was transmitted to them.
And there's no objection from them on that.
The elevation you can see here, and we want to make a nice building.
It will be red brick, it will be facing the street.
And I think it will be a very nice thing for the area.
This entire area is redeveloping, that north Howard corridor, and this will be consistent with all the plans along there.
And I think it will enhance the area.
The Planning Commission has found that it's consistent with the comp plan.
Staff has removed their objection based on amending the site plan and we respectfully ask for your approval of both the vacating and the first reading of the rezoning.
Then did you meet with the north Hyde Park --
>>> we met with the north Hyde Park civic association.
Mr. Allen is very enthusiastic about this project.
And I think again the neighbors are excited that it's happening.
It's something positive happening in that area.
>>MARY ALVAREZ: Thank you very much.
>>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I had a chance to look at the elevation.
It's absolutely beautiful.
I don't think you have to explain it.
We can see it.
>>> Mr. Toale will go into that a little bit.
>>LINDA SAUL-SENA: He won't need to.
>>GWEN MILLER: We are going to go to the public.
Would anyone from the public like to speak?
>>MARTIN SHELBY: Why don't you also ask if there's anybody to speak on item 16 as well.
>>GWEN MILLER: Would anyone in the public like to speak on 16?
>>KEVIN WHITE: Move to close 1 and 16.
(Motion carried)
>>MARTIN SHELBY: Item 16 has to come back on second reading.
I would recommend that perhaps carry over number 1, have them both passed at the same time.
>>MARY ALVAREZ: So moved.
>> Second.
(Motion carried)
>>JOHN DINGFELDER: Which did we just vote on?
>>MARTIN SHELBY: What you did, actually what you voted on is to carry 1 over.
And I believe that number 16 requires a first reading.
>>GWEN MILLER: We have number 16.
>>MARY ALVAREZ: An ordinance in the general vicinity particularly described in section 1 from zoning district classification CI commercial intensive and RM-16 residential multifamily to PD medical professional office, providing an effective date.
>>GWEN MILLER: I have a motion and second.
(Motion carried)
>>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I just want to say that I hope that this is a new sort of design standard for West Tampa.
This is a very attractive building.
I think it will be a real gift to the street, and I hope that it inspires others.
>>JOHN DINGFELDER: Move to open number 3.
>>GWEN MILLER: It's continued.
Catherine Coyle.
>>CATHERINE COYLE: Land development.
I have been sworn.
This rezoning was continued from the July 21st hearing so this is the first reading and the first time that we have spoken about it.
The general location, this parcel lies on the eastern side of Rome Avenue, just north of gene street, Hillsborough River runs to the southeast.
This rezoning, the address is 6303 north Rome Avenue. This is to construct ten single-family attached units with one-car garages.
The units stand two stories and a maximum height of 28 feet.
The plan features several key items such as a dumpster located in the rear, a bicycle rack at the maintain entrance, a wrought iron fence with columns along Rome Avenue, three visitor parking stalls, in addition city stormwater channels to traverse along the northern boundary. The site is currently vacant.
However, many large and protected grand trees are on-site. I did provide an aerial.
It is fairly heavily treed on-site.
You look at the site plan that you have before you, you can see the lengths that the petitioner went through to actually plan around these trees.
Dave Riley is present to speak to that.
A lot of them are actually grand trees, of substantial size, 40 inches, 30, 48, 55, with other very large trees along the perimeter.
They are giving an easement to city stormwater, as well for that channel.
As you can see in the northeast corner of the property, around the site plan.
If you notice on the aerial, I noted that on the western side of Rome Avenue, single family residential, there is a mobile home park south of gene street and single family around it.
I did note under reasons for recommendation, we had no objections to the request.
The rear walls of the unit shall not face the street right-of-way from the design standards for single family attached.
Unit 1 is oriented towards Rome Avenue.
There's an elevation, also.
Attached to the site plan.
This is the unit that faces Rome Avenue.
And in appears you will note on page 2 of the report, given the heavily treed nature of the site, this does appear to be a single-family residence when you're driving along Rome Avenue.
Many of the trees block the view of the other units, as is shown on the site plan.
And finally, no fewer than three and no more than eight shall be shown in a continuous organization, and the units contain four and six units.
Under findings of fact I did note the petitioner worked dill gentlemanly with our staff to resolve site issues.
A detailed drainage plan is also included on the site plan, which isn't common in most rezonings.
However, they did have the drainage area on the plan so they did work that out with Alex Awad.
The plan references language as directly required from the city forestry examiner.
If you have additional questions for Mr. Riley, he is present.
And I noted the purpose and intent of site plan control districts.
Staff has no objections.
>>TONY GARCIA: Planning Commission staff.
I have been sworn in.
From comp plan aspect, the land use category in this particular area, on this particular segment of Rome Avenue is residential 10 with some pockets of residential 20 as reflected over here at the trailer park.
Ms. Coyle alluded to in her presentation.
There are still some scattered pockets residential 10 on the west side.
Rome, south of Hanna, north of Hanna, several pocket of residential.
Here's the aerial site again depicting the heavily treed area.
The applicant I must say has gone to extremes to try to accommodate the site while preserving all the trees that do exist on the site.
Housing in this area is reflective of socioeconomic range to moderate and generally does consist mostly of single family detached homes with several multifamily and nonresidential uses scattered along the south side of this particular segment of Rome Avenue, south of Hanna.
The residential 10 land use category does allow attached, detached and semi detached residential units all of which are classified as semi use dwellings.
There has been continued interest in this particular area regarding redevelopment of several larger undeveloped parcels along Rome Avenue, some in close proximity south of the subject site, possibly four town home development also, which has become popular and in demand residential development style. The proposed redevelopment offers an alternative type of housing economically viable for home owners that desire to reside in the neighborhood while preserving the single family character of the neighborhood area.
The land use designation of residential 10, one of the lower density land use categories. The land use category as I said does allow consideration of single family attached use ifs the request is submitted under a site plan control zoning district, which it has been.
The site in question is one acre in size.
The underlying land use does allow up to ten dwelling units.
It is not of the scale or density that would create any adverse impacts.
Planning Commission staff has no objections and finds the proposed request consistent with the comprehensive plan.
>>GWEN MILLER: Petitioner?
>>> Ladies and gentlemen of the council, we would like to present our proposal for this property.
And before doing it, what --.
>>GWEN MILLER: Put your name on the record for me, please.
>>> My name is Jose Alonzo.
I reside at 7601 west Hanna Avenue in Tampa.
>>MARTIN SHELBY: And were you sworn in?
Were you sworn in?
>>> Was I sworn in?
>> Yes.
>>> No, I wasn't.
(Oath administered by Clerk)
>>> Yes, I do.
Before we start with the particulars of the request, I would like to spend a couple of minutes telling you who we are.
The principals, Jose Alonzo, and those sitting with me will all participate in the presentation.
We are all home grown, all born in Tampa.
Alan Fernandez and I go back, I want to say 40 years, might be a little longer, but we went to the old George Washington junior high school.
We went to the old Jefferson high school.
And we were charter members of the University of South Florida.
We went onto the University of Florida engineering school because at that time the University of Florida didn't have -- south Florida did not have an engineering school.
Along the way, my son-in-law met my daughter, and he joined our company a few years ago.
He also is home grown, West Tampa Junior High school, Jefferson high school, the new one, and a graduate of the University of South Florida in engineering.
I would like to put a viewgraph of who Elite Designer Homes is.
Basically, what we do is we look for challenging projects, and we select our projects.
The reason we do that is we have an extremely high education and experience level that allows us to take on extremely difficult programs.
Alan and I have masters degrees from the University of Florida, and from the University of South Florida.
We have over 40 years of engineering management, design, analysis and manufacturing experience.
Along with 25 years of program management of various programs.
Over 20 years of sales and marketing.
But the main thing that I want to bring up is what is the technical mission of Elite Designer Homes?
The main thing because of our technical backgrounds is we want a technically sound, constructed building.
We want it to be architecturally pleasing.
And we want to the have quality.
One of the distinctions of our company is that we are hands-on management.
Allen Fernandez, owner of the company, is present at the site on all of our construction.
He is the superintendent.
We do not farm it out.
He is in charge, in command, and he's the owner of the company.
We always look to strive for a very satisfied customer, and that's the end product that we're looking for.
We did enter in the parade of homes custom home category and won a grand award for custom homes, and along with that we had a blue ribbon two-sided stone fireplace.
Again, I'm just going to briefly show this viewgraph which indicates the three people and their education, which I have already given to you.
There are a couple of letters that I would like to put on the overhead screen.
One comes from a former colleague of yours, Rudy Fernandez, that we built his home on Davis Island, and the things I wanted to point out on his letter were that he says he got excellent service, quality workmanship, and honesty.
We are very proud of the word "honesty."
And he makes the last statement where you, the council, can rely on our commitments to you.
Another letter that we would like to put on the Elmo states that -- this is from Jeff freeman and we built his home in Culbreath Avenue in South Tampa.
He says we are reputable builder developers, that we do what we say we are going to do, and that we build quality homes.
What I'd like to do right now is put down a brief statement on the Elmo of what is it that we are requesting?
Well, our request, first of all we need a background of why we are requesting.
The State of Florida future land use classifies our property as R-10 which says we can put 10 units per acre at 6303 north Rome Avenue.
We have 1.06 acres.
Thus the request is, we want to build ten single-family residences, very important, all owner occupied.
We are asking for a rezoning to PD, which allows for the construction along with the roadways necessary within the complex.
One key item that I want to bring up is that we asked to have a full board package submittal.
What do I mean by that?
What we wanted to do was work with the city land development department, one on one, meetings with the total group.
We wanted to satisfy every requirement that the city has of us.
Over a two-month period, we are individually -- Allen Fernandez spearheaded it, and came up, solving all issues, all problems, to a point where we now have an approved site plan.
And the second reason we did that is we wanted you to have the opportunity to cast your vote on a technically sound plan.
Before having Allen come up and give you some additional information, I would like to just give you a couple of items.
The project overview is, as I say, ten town homes.
There will be eight, three-bedroom homes with two and a half baths, one-car garage, that each town home has two vehicles, then there will be two with two bedrooms, two and a half baths and 1200 square feet.
Economic impact in the community.
Well, these town homes are going to sell in the vicinity of 170s up to the 200s.
And I will show you some additional information in a little bit that will show you that should bring up significantly the value of property surrounding it.
Another important point, owner occupied.
And lastly, we are going to insist on a homeowners association which has strength, and legal strength to be able to keep the town homes the way all of the people want them to look like.
At this point, I would like to have Allen Fernandez come up and talk to but the approved site plan, the elevation and the floor plans.
One slight issue.
Allen is hard of hearing.
So that if need be I can come up and maybe help him what you are asking if you ask him anything.
Thank you.
And I'll be back.
>> Allen: Madam Chair person, gentlemen and ladies of the City Council, my name is -- first of all, I want to say good evening.
And thank you for being here.
My name is Allen Fernandez.
I am one of the owners of Elite Designer Homes.
I live at 903 west 131st Avenue which is just north of this particular site.
>>MARTIN SHELBY: Were you sworn in, just for the record?
>>> I was sworn in.
>> Thank you.
>>> What I want to do is present a brief overview of the proposed townhouse community.
Cathy Coyle and Tony Garcia covered a lot of way was going to present.
So I'll try to be brief and get through it real quick.
The first viewgraph that I have here is the simplified site plan.
As you can see, the property is located at 6303 north Rome Avenue which is between Hillsborough Avenue and Sligh.
It is 55 feet along Rome Avenue by 300 feet deep, 1.06 acres.
The closest building to Rome is the larger of the two buildings, that accommodates six units.
The smaller building at the rear accommodates four units.
Eight of the ten units are three bedrooms, 3.5 baths, one-car garage.
The remaining two units are two bedrooms, two and a half baths and covered lanai.
They have no garage.
As you can see, the footprint of the building is such that we were able to preserve all of the grand oak trees which are represented on the site plan by the large circles.
The triangles represent parking spaces.
There are two provided per unit, plus three visitor parking places for a total of 23, which have been approved by the transportation department.
The fence along the front is made up of nine masonry columns with six-foot wrought iron fences between the columns.
And there will be a three-foot planned buffer along the fence.
The solid waste dumpster over the back of the property and it's enclosed with a masonry fence, six foot high, with stucco to match the building.
The private -- there will be a private paved road which would allow fire trucks and dump trucks to get in and out easily.
Again that's provided by transportation, solid waste and fire departments.
There would be underground utilities, electrical and cable will all be underground.
And there will be landscaping with plants and shrubs and sprinkler system.
It will be automatically illuminated at dusk with four each ten-foot high post lanterns and two column lanterns at the entrance.
Sidewalks are provided inside the community.
And Elite Designer Homes agrees to make a $2400 contribution to the department of -- City of Tampa sidewalk trust fund.
The stormwater system design exceeds the requirements that are defined in this -- in the City of Tampa stormwater technical manual for private development.
There would be two dry ponds, plus under the road trench system with a total storage capacity of 4850 cubic feet, which exceed the required 4600.
The rain gutters, concrete curb gutters, underground pipes will collect the stormwater and direct it to the basin before the water is fed into the trench system.
We have certified soil data which indicates the stored rain water will easily meet the 72 hour percolation requirement.
We will have a swale around the south edge of the asphalt pavement to collect surface stormwater from neighboring properties and direct it to an existing stormwater inlet at the bottom of the property, right here.
The last thing on this slide, the City of Tampa has a stormwater ditch that runs through the property and occupies about a 10th of an acre.
Elite Designer Homes will grant a 10-foot easement along the back of the ditch so that the City of Tampa can maintain the ditch.
And that would be recorded in the City of Tampa public records.
The next viewgraph --.
>>JOHN DINGFELDER: Can I ask you a question on that last picture?
>>> Sure.
>>JOHN DINGFELDER: You mentioned about a six-foot fence on Rome, wrought iron fence, with posts in between.
Is there a gate across your entryway?
>>> No gates.
What I didn't say, though, is that there will be a six foot PVC fence for privacy.
>> Around the rest of it?
>>> Yeah.
And then the fence, we showed PVC because it's, you know, impervious to termite and wrought and maintenance free.
>> My concern is visually from Rome, I think typically council -- the allowable front yard fence I think in most residential areas is four feet.
And if it's not for security, because this isn't a gated community, would you consider four feet instead of six feet?
>>> Sure.
I have no problem.
>>JOHN DINGFELDER: I think it would be a little more aesthetically pleasing from Rome.
>>> Yep.
The next viewgraph shows the elevation of the building in the front of the property.
The top view is the elevation of unit 1 facing Rome Avenue.
The wrought iron fence has been omitted for clarity, but there would be a wrought iron fence in front of it.
And as you can see, there would be columns on pedestals giving it a bungalow style look. The first floor will be concrete block construction with stucco.
Second floor we'll utilize hardy board, a cementous material that is impervious to termites and rot so it should give us a pretty maintenance free surface.
The building, the height of the building will be under 26 feet.
And that's pretty much all I have on this one.
The last viewgraph shows the typical floor plan for six of the three bedroom, two and a half bath units.
On the left is the first floor, and parking in the back.
The foyer.
The kitchen and the dining area.
And the half bath will all have tile floors.
The ceilings will be 9 foot 4.
And the first floor has 574 square feet of living area.
The second floor is shown on the right.
The master bedroom in the front with a private bath and a large walk-in closet.
Cathedral ceiling.
The two bedrooms in the back will share their own second bath.
The room in the back, bedroom number 3, will have a cathedral ceiling.
Bedroom number 2 will have a vaulted ceiling.
And there's an optional public balcony for each of those available.
There's also provisions on the second floor.
And the second floor has 874 square feet of living area.
Total living area, 1421 square feet.
The two-bedroom units are very similar except that they don't have a garage.
I think the garage was omitted to make room for the grand oaks that we are trying to save.
And that concludes my part of the presentation.
Thank you for listening.
>>> Thank you, Allen, for the explanation.
I would like to continue now the presentation.
What we need to do now is understand the way we can keep this ten town home community up.
And we want a homeowners association with strong powers such as to be able to place liens, fines and foreclosure if necessary.
There will be a monthly fee.
Obviously the things that need to be done as the exterior of the building, if grounds, landscaping, insurance, administrative fees and those kind of things.
And of course any homeowners association will require owner occupied units.
What I would like to do now is see how does this ten town home single family community fit in with the neighborhood within close by and further out?
I have a viewgraph here, and I'll just put it, and I'll try to summarize it.
Ba basically it is a viewgraph that shows, first of all, the communities within the area.
What we did is we took the center point of our property and took radius us of a mile away, up two miles away, to see what are the communities, and they are all here.
They are in your packets.
And the addresses are there.
They are the type of residence whether they are town homes, apartments, et cetera, is listed.
Number of units.
For example, if we go across the first item, the townhouses at 1910 west Sligh Avenue, we found that's a town home complex with 30 town homes.
It's zoned PD which is our request.
And that is typical.
And you will see all the others whether it be apartment complexes, mobile homes, et cetera.
What I would like to do, though, is summarize it on another viewgraph at the top here, and we'll look at the -- what the numbers kind of look like.
The complexes or town homes, apartment complexes, mobile home, and condo complexes.
Again if you look at the various columns, you will see that from the center of our property, as we move out, we move out a half mile, and half a mile.
For example, if we take the first half mile we see there's one town home complex, three apartment complexes, three mobile home complexes, one City of Tampa housing authority complex, and that's it.
Now, as you move further out, and giving you totals of multifamily units of eight town home complexes within half-mile increments, up to two miles, there are eight townhouse complexes, 21 apartment complexes, three mobile home parks, city housing authority complexes, three, and condos, three.
So we have a multitude of a variety of multifamily communities in the radius of our property.
Along with the multifamily, we also have mixed use of the land, specifically on Rome Avenue.
So again we show specifics of the types of homes within five blocks, nine blocks, and we give addresses of each one on Rome.
A summary of all of those, which would be easier to see again -- I'll put the same viewgraph back -- is the mixed land use on Rome Avenue between Sligh and Hillsborough Avenue there. We see there's an electrical contractor, three auto service repair shops.
We talked about the mobile home parks, the apartment complexes.
There are two churches.
There are two social clubs.
There's alum ber yard.
There's a computer repair business.
A commercial office building.
And a manufacturing building.
In addition to that, the City of Tampa has a creative arts building and baseball field all on Rome Avenue so there is significant mixed land use and multifamily communities within the vicinity of our property.
One of the other things we would like to look at is, what is the impact of this small community on the bigger scale community?
To that end, what we tried to do was to say, well, what do homes sell in this area?
First thing we did is we did a study on this viewgraph, and all of these are part of your package, but this study, we did sales between July of 2004 and July of 2005, in the neighborhood, and you have a little map on the right-hand side, north we are looking at Sligh.
On the south, Hillsborough.
Rome on the left.
The river on the right.
And we have a little star of where we are in that area.
And you'll see that the dates of when they were sold, the sale price of the homes, and what I like to look at is the heated square feet of each of the homes.
I'm trying to find out what is the typical home in this area?
The typical home at the bottom of the page if we take all the sale prices and average them out, we are looking at an average sale price of 125,000 based on actual sales between July 04 and July 05.
Average sale price, 125,000.
Average square feet heated, 1200 square feet.
Those are two important numbers.
125,000 average, sale price, 1200 square feet average heated.
Now, let's look right around our property, within 250 feet of our property.
Let's see what the market value of those homes are that didn't sell.
They are just market value.
That's a little more difficult than what we have to predict. What we did in our study, again we show addresses and we show the homes.
What we did is we went to the property appraiser's office and we took their market value.
We understand that the market value at the property appraiser's office is for taxing purposes and not necessarily what it would actually sell in the market.
What we did is said, let's average the just market value and came up with 104,000.
And we said, supposing that that's 80% of what it could sell in the marketplace.
Then let's add another 20% and if we did that we could come up with 125,000 for the sale price of that house, and we also looked at the square feet of all of these homes within 250 feet, and the average square feet is 1200.
So again we are looking at two numbers that keep coming up.
Approximately 125,000 for the value of the house, 1200 for the square feet.
That's important, because -- let me show you at the bottom.
Again of this viewgraph at the bottom.
What are we proposing?
We are proposing townhouses, two bedroom, three bedroom, sale prices, 170s up to 200s.
Square feet, 1200, 1400.
So you do the mathematics.
It looks to me like we are going to significantly enhance the community, both with the pleasing architectural design that we have, and with the sale of the homes that are going to bring up property values.
One of the other things that come up is, well, how does it effect our community?
What does it do to traffic?
What does it do to the sewer system?
I don't know, let's find out.
We went and got a study that we got by the City of Tampa.
This study was done on February 8th of 2005.
And what we did is on Rome between Hillsborough and Sligh, they counted the vehicles that went through there.
They came up with 4,522 vehicles on that particular day, and they -- the city lists their capacity to be 10,300.
So 4500 on that particular day.
The capacity is 10,300.
Additionally, the impact on traffic of our ten town home single family units is less than 1% on traffic.
Significantly less than 1%.
Let's talk about the sewer system provided in that area.
Again, we went to the City of Tampa, because we want to know what the City of Tampa believes about that.
And on this viewgraph I want to read further, it's underlined, it says according to the engineering department, it says because the amount of flow generated by your project is so minimal, it will have very little, if any, impact on the sanitary sewer system, because of the minimal impact on the sewer system.
What I would like to do now is have the last member of our Elite Designer Homes community to speak to you for a few minutes, and then I'll come back and summarize.
Thank you.
>>> I haven't been sworn in yet.
>>GWEN MILLER: Raise your right hand.
(Oath administered by Clerk)
>>> My name is Darren Busciglio, North Glenn Avenue in Tampa. 33614.
Again, I was born and raised in West Tampa, two blocks from where the Yankees practice, and lived north of Hillsborough off of Himes Avenue.
My part in this development was Allen and myself surveyed the neighborhood, to get a feel of how the neighbors felt about the development of the town homes, and what we came up with was out of 214, total surveyed, 174 were in favor of the development, 15 were okay it with or didn't care, they didn't care to sign anything but they were okay with it, and then 25 were opposed for various reasons.
Some mentioned they didn't want their taxes to increase, others -- own or two that I can remember didn't want any building of any kind, and some felt -- that it would add too much traffic to the neighborhood.
I would like to show the pie chart.
And the top shows a survey that we took.
And then a survey that overlapped with the river bend survey.
And what we ran into was the neighbors, many of them were given misleading information, as a result they signed the association petition.
Of the 56 residents that we saw that had come in contact with the association, after hearing what the development was all about, the facts, 51 of them ended up signing not only our petition, but also signed a letter stating what they were told.
I faxed this earlier today, and can I pass this up to you?
>>CHAIRMAN: Do you want them back?
>>ROSE FERLITA: Do you want us to keep it or do you want it back?
Okay, thank you.
>>> Our findings were these residents that were in the neighborhood.
Every one of them that we spoke to told us they were never shown the elevation, they were never told what the price of the town homes were, nor that the town homes were going to be owner occupied only, they could not be rented.
They never were told that information.
I believe that these three details are very important for the residents of the community to know and to be able to make an informed decision.
>>JOHN DINGFELDER: Sir, a quick question.
You're going to build them and then you are going to sell them individually, create an association and sell them?
>>> Yes.
>> So how can you legally constrain or restrain the future owners from renting?
>>> Because it's going to be part of the deed restrictions.
It's going to be part of the deed restrictions.
>> So it's part of the condo association documents, what have you?
>>> Absolutely.
>> No rental?
>>> No rental at all.
>>> And the reason why is most of the neighbors we went to, most were concerned about rental property.
Some of them believe that rental property had the potential for increased crime.
But mostly they were concerned about the lack of the maintenance of the property as far as rental property in general.
Obviously, we are going to have an association, they are going to pay maintenance fees which will take care of the common areas, the exterior of the building and such.
So that's the main reason why we want them to be single -- I mean to be owner occupied only.
I believe a person that owns their own house, they are going to be -- you know, have more of a neighborly community, that you are going to be living there.
(Bell sounds)
>>GWEN MILLER: Your time is up for presentation.
But you can come back for rebuttal.
We are going to go to the audience and see if there's anyone against the petition.
Is there anyone in the public that would like to speak on item number 3?
For or against.
Anybody that wants to speak for or against item number 3, please come to the mike and speak.
>>MARTIN SHELBY: When you state your name please reaffirm --.
>>GWEN MILLER: Somebody come up and speak.
Thank you, chief.
>>MARTIN SHELBY: As a reminder, please state whether or not you have been sworn.
Thank you.
>>GWEN MILLER: Mr. Shelby, I have seen quite a few come.
Those that came in late that have not been sworn, will you please stand and raise your right hand if you are going to speak?
>>MARY ALVAREZ: You don't have to, Jane.
>>ROSE FERLITA: Raise your hand as well, chief.
(Oath administered by Clerk)
>> Jane Castor.
I'm here as a resident of the river bend neighborhood.
And I was at the presentation, the neighborhood watch meeting when the builders made the presentation for the construction of the condominiums.
And I'm sure that we have all signed petitions and ensure that the numbers are going to contrast dramatically.
My concern is with the traffic in that area, Rome Avenue, we have consistent traffic complaints up and down there, and we write a number of citations, speeding citations.
The flow on that, that street is just unbelievable.
I take my children down Alicia to and from school every day, come out where Alicia turns into Hanna for about a half of a block, right where this lot is, and then down onto Rome.
You take your life in your hands when you turn onto Rome.
And then I have to take the very next street, which is westbound and then up Albany because the traffic is backed all the way from Hillsborough all the way down to Hanna.
And that's an every day, just to and from traffic.
And then the residents on Alicia I feel very, very sorry for.
I know there was a traffic study done recently, and that street is the main cut-through from Boulevard to Rome.
It's the only one.
As a matter of fact, we have a sewer collapse.
I had to put police cars out on Alicia because of the traffic problems out there. So just based solely on the traffic issues, that is going to be right on the corner of Hanna and Rome, right where everybody turns off of Alicia.
So that's a nightmare, morning and nighttime time.
And then just for the -- the lot, I personally thought the city owned it because I don't know if it's a pumping station but there's a station next to Hillsborough River right there and that whole field is a drainage filed.
And there is no way they were going to displace that water unless they put it in somebody else's yard.
It slopes straight down to a drain that goes into the Hillsborough River.
And I'm not sure how they could fit that many condominiums on that small lot.
And then as I said it's right on the corner, and the traffic issues are just going to be unbelievable.
So I would request that the variance be denied.
Thank you.
>>GWEN MILLER: Thank you.
>>> My name is Frank Greco, the president of the river bend civic association.
And I'm here to show you a little about the character of our neighborhood.
First of all, I'll start with a photograph of the property that is proposed to be rezoned.
These are forecast of that.
It's a very park-like setting, beautiful piece of property.
And these photographs don't do justice.
It is a beautiful piece of property.
The character of our neighborhood, though, however, is single-family detached housing.
The current zoning of that particular property is RS-50.
That's the current use designation.
And the rezoning to the PD would mean that there would be attached housing from this point on.
We did have a meeting as the river bend civic association, and we did have the developers come, and they did present their project.
They told the residents of the size, the appearance, the property use, the site plan, and the prices.
So other than actually sending out direct mailers to each and every resident, we did our part to get the word out on what was being told -- or what was being sold to the neighborhood.
We also had that meeting, and at that meeting we had people voice their concerns.
And for just documentation sake, we also collected a petition.
We have close to 700 names on a petition in which we have documented on a chart, which shows you exactly where those residents live in association to the subject property.
The red dot in the middle is the subject property.
The first line is 50 feet, 100, so on and so on.
We have color coded the petition to show you exactly where those residents do live in association with the property.
River bend's boundaries are from this very bottom portion of the chart, and it's on the west side of the Hillsborough River, and this is Rome down the middle.
We have just now expanded our area over to Albany, which is this line that runs up to the west of the property.
A little bit now about the character of our neighborhood.
We do have a lot of different types of housing.
Single family detached.
We do have a couple of multifamily units.
However, many of those have been problem properties.
You will see them in the Thursday morning crime watch.
Many times we have domestic issues.
And one of the apartment complexes which is on Sligh in our neighborhood was closed down last year because of extensive drug activity.
So we are really grateful --
>> Let me ask a home.
These are characteristic of the homes that are in this neighborhood?
>>> Yes.
I have several the petitioner said.
>> Average price is 125,000?
>>> Well, my property appraisal was done a couple months ago, and I wouldn't accept that for my property.
>> I understand.
>>> These are some of the other homes in the neighborhood.
We have had a recent meeting which was last Monday night and asked our residents what they thought of this apartment, this townhouse unit, and 91% voted against a townhouse development.
We did have a couple in a that did want to see a townhouse development in the area, but again 91% were against.
(Bell sounds)
>>GWEN MILLER: Your time is up.
>>> Okay.
Thank you for allowing me to present.
>>GWEN MILLER: You're quite welcome.
>>> Good evening council, Mr. Shelby.
I have been sworn.
My name is Diane Nasworth, 1804 West North Street, that's about 700 feet from the proposed project.
I've lived in this home come January 2006 will be 55 years.
I was raised there as a child.
I stayed there married with children.
I'm now single retired with grandchildren.
So I told them put on my tombstone she never left because you I don't think I am ever going to.
When river bend approached me -- I live on the west side of Rome Avenue.
When they approached me to come and be with them, because we flood more on the west side.
I'm sorry Alex had left already, because he's very familiar with my name, down at City Hall.
When they asked me to come and speak I said, oh, great, I get to come down and really hit with you everything I've been complaining about, the water in my neighborhood.
And I thought, no, it's not going to be about me today, it's going to be about this neighborhood coming together trying to really get together and have somebody on my side for a change.
Alex has worked with the west side of Rome quite a lot.
I do not see how they can possibly get all the water -- I just told you quickly about the last project that Alex helped us with it. It was built to have water come from Armenia down north street and down the little acreage that's on the side, many, many acres of water, to get down to -- I'm just going to show you on here.
It comes down north street.
It crosses over Rome.
And then it's to get to the city stormwater channel.
Let me assure you, it doesn't get there.
It stops at 1804 west north street.
I'm not kidding you.
It really does.
So to get more things built in there, and I never knew we had that much going on in our neighborhood.
It's no wonder we flood.
There's no way the water gets down to the Hillsborough River.
But anyway, I just want to show you, I live over here and there's a ditch right at the end of this property and that starts the stormwater channel.
And I know our area is not going to see stormwater privileges for quite awhile, but we understand that.
And we also as a neighborhood association understand that we are not the people in the City of Tampa that have this problem with water.
North, south, east and west, we all Vermont.
But we were just hoping that maybe -- and I brought pictures.
I'm not even going to show them.
I'm not going to use my three minutes to show you all my house floods, my floors have been redone two times --.
>>ROSE FERLITA: Ma'am, why don't you finish what you are saying, use your time, and it won't cost your time, and we'll return it to you.
>>> But anyway, that was why they asked me to come and talk on the flooding problem.
And hopefully, I wish Alex was here because he knows who I am and he knows, he's been at my home.
>>ROSE FERLITA: He's in the back.
>>> All right.
Well, I don't really need to pass these around.
It's okay.
We just want you to know that we as an association are trying to keep our neighborhood into single family.
Thank you very much.
Eight On Your Side didn't go over my three minutes.
That's great.
>>GWEN MILLER: Thank you.
>>JOHN DINGFELDER: Can I ask you a question?
Here I am.
>>> Oh, I thought it was Mr. White.
>>JOHN DINGFELDER: You want it to be single family, right?
>>> Yes.
>> If they had come to the neighborhood with -- I mean obviously it's a larger parcel, 155 by 300, if they had come with a PD, a planned development with maybe 4 or 5 detached single family houses, would you guess you would still be opposed to it?
>>> Well, possibly detached, but our main thing is getting the water down to the river.
That's the main problem.
>> I understand that. When we ask Alex about the water in a minute, he's going to say they have an engineer to get the water off of there.
>>> Are you sure?
He's been out there many, many times.
And we still flood.
Still cannot get it down to the river.
Even after our last project.
Oh, I know one thing I was going to tell you. The last project, because I forgot about Ms. Ferlita.
The last part, to get this down, he got it all finished and when we went down to look at the pipe they were in backwards and I said, I can't call the city, they won't believe me it's Nasworthy calling again.
They came and looked at it and dug it up and that's what I refer to as the million dollar project down on Rome Avenue because it was all dug up and put back in.
(Bell sounds)
Thank you.
>>ROSE FERLITA: Actually, I witness down there and did the work myself.
I had to do something to beat all the compliments she gave Alex.
>>> My name is Laura shoe, 6401 north Rome Avenue.
I'm to the immediate north of the property that they want to build this ten townhouses.
Seven of these two-story units will be towering over my backyard, front yard.
My property is 450 deep, this is 300 foot deep.
Is this the microphone?
I can't speak up.
I have a cold.
>> Get closer.
>>> What they are offering me is 7'2"-story townhouses, towering over my property, and what they have right now is just land.
This is a picture, shows signs to identify it.
This shows the higher point of their property.
Right here.
That's where they were proposing to put the detention tank, which is at the highest point of the property that I understood.
This is the lowest point of the property, which is one of the locations where they are proposing to put a six-inch-deep retention pond.
Two times in the first week of July when the airport got three inches of rain, we got six inches of rain, two different days in the first week of July.
Six-inch retention ponds are not going to stop that water flow from overtaking this stormwater drainage.
The 250 feet of the stormwater drainage is on my property.
I pay taxes on it.
I'm glad that it service it is neighborhood.
It was once a spring-fed creek.
And that has changed when they put in the storm recovery wells.
So things change.
To have 7'2"-story townhouses to my immediate south, it's kind of devastating.
I have a pool in my backyard which I probably won't go in when all these balconies and lanais are facing my property.
Also the thing about the neighborhood, I have lived at this house for 24 years.
And they are all single family detached houses.
They are all unique and different.
There's all kinds, all shapes, all values, just a big variety, except for the most part they are detached single-family homes, which is what most people come to this neighborhood for, they like the single family houses.
It's just your average American family neighborhood.
Stormwater drainage is a big issue to me.
But the lack of privacy.
There are other neighbors that are concerned about the privacy.
I spoke to them.
The neighbor off the back, she also has an acre and she's concerned about the garbage that's going to be stored back there by her property.
She has an acre off the back side, the back of that is another 3.5 acres and another 2.5 acres off the back of my property.
There's a lot of acreage there.
We always knew there was potential growth in our neighborhood, and never imagined that it would be this kind of growth.
I figured nice houses like everything else in our neighborhood.
Townhouses, I don't know.
They have their place, but I don't think that this is the place.
>>GWEN MILLER: Thank you.
>>> Troy Taylor, north Rome.
I'd like to start out by quoting -- I won't tell you my life history.
I won't bore you with that.
But I would like to quote Rose Ferlita the last time we were here a few months ago.
When she said, we don't want to make that same mistake we made in South Tampa with the townhouses.
I appreciated that then.
And I appreciate her thoughts now, I'm sure.
But the point being, if you have got to go to the extent that these people are telling all of us that they have to go to to sell these homes, to build these homes, to sell these homes, these townhouses, you know there's a problem.
When you say, we are going to have people sign this, and we are going to have people do that, and we are going to make sure this, and we are going to -- come on.
Let's get in the real world.
In the real world you buy something.
I mean, you build something and you're gone.
That's the real world.
When you buy a house, you don't call the owner and say, hey, I got a leaking roof.
Not the person that built it.
You're responsible.
And these people are not going to sign all these things and do all this stuff.
There's a problem with drainage.
The land slopes down this way.
It comes from the back to Rome Avenue.
Plus, from the south, it comes down, and from the north it comes down.
That's a natural drainage of the land.
I was born and raised here in Tampa, too.
I have seen a lot of changes in my lifetime.
But this is one I don't want to see because not only is it a situation that our neighborhood doesn't want, it is a potential disaster, in many different ways.
All you have got to do is come up there and look at the property and see the situation to realize and talk to people who live in that area, to realize that these problems are bad already, they have never been improved on, and they are only going to get worse.
And when you build these townhouses, and you get this many people in one little area like that, and you tell me you're going to have this, that -- come on, not gonna happen.
So I don't want to overstay my welcome.
I appreciate you all listening to me.
And I know you get the picture.
Thank you.
>>GWEN MILLER: Thank you.
>>> Michael Salogo, 1308 West Alicia.
I have lived there for 12 years, am very fond of the neighborhood.
And we have been planning for this meeting, and so many things go through your mind and they come and they go.
You eventually get to the point of a moment of truth, you blank.
First I would like to say that their resume was very impressive and they have given you a fantastic presentation.
They have shown you all kinds of great numbers that we have not had the ability to research and do.
What I did hastily today on the way here, I looked up on the computer real quick, a gentleman bought two houses on North Boulevard, which is just north of Alicia, in 2000.
Knocked down two houses, built four.
Those houses were sold at an average of $130,000 and these are all three-bedroom two bath houses approximately 1600 square feet.
One just sold this year at 180,000 dollars.
So I'm not sure the numbers he had as a median price is really accurate from our point of view.
This is a house that I stopped on the way here, which I wasn't going to use that, but since they showed you a graphic that extends out a half mile, and another half mile, that's six blocks south of Hillsborough Avenue, which is very close to our area, and as you can see, it's a 3-bedroom, 2-bath, 1500 square feet and they are asking $300,000.
So I really feel that the market bears the ability to sell single-family detached homes.
Mr. Alfonso's words run loud in my mind, he says there's a multitude and that's the idea.
We are trying to curb that. We are trying to make our neighborhood drive in the right direction and we are not against development.
We encourage him and any other developer to please come and build nice homes in our neighborhood.
What we are asking you to do is help us channel this effort into single family detached homes.
>>JOHN DINGFELDER: Do you have concern that the attached homes are out of character with the surrounding neighborhood?
>>> Yes, sir, to a point.
It's kind of a broad thing because we do have that apartment complex at the corner of Alicia and Boulevard, and that's a problem.
We had another very bad problem which is a multifamily unit which finally got closed down with the help of the City Council and the police, and that was just a drug hole that. Was pathetic.
We had another problem on Rome with another existing apartment building.
I know that not everybody that rents is bad.
It just seems that the seems to attract and gravitate to those areas.
I lived in this neighborhood for 12 years.
I don't want to say I'm stuck there, but given the cost of new houses and the new tax structures, I don't see myself moving from there for a long, long time.
I would like to see that neighborhood progress towards single-family detached homes.
I think the market would bear for nice single-family detached homes there, and I think they would make their money back.
And, you know, I know it's the goal of every business to maximize their profit, and I'm not here to dictate what their profit margin is.
I'm only saying, you know, scale back a little bit and make the existing residence of that -- residents of that neighborhood happy.
And I think that would go a long way to cooperation and I think it would help us for the future.
As you know we were here not long ago fighting this same issue and we are very vulnerable in this neighborhood because there's a lot of people that have large properties that fall into the same category.
I work 12, 14 hours a day, it's very taxing for me to have the energy or the time to continuously do this time and time again.
I would really love it if you could send a message that if you want to come to this neighborhood and build, please, by all means, just build in conform with what the current residents and long-time existing residents would like to see.
Thank you very much.
Have a good night.
>>> Thank you very much.
My name is John Anderson.
I live at 5502 River Shore Drive.
I have been in that house for almost 20 years.
As the first person said about Alicia being a cut-through, there's another cut-through from Rome.
At this time cut-through from Rome to Hillsborough and that's River Shore Drive.
Typically, on any given morning, Rome is backed up to Alicia.
And what happens, people cut in through one of the side streets to river shore.
They go down river shore, sometimes at a fairly high speed, and then cut out to Hillsborough.
River Shore Drive is about 18 feet wide.
It's much less than what the standard street is.
So what usually happens is one person or another goes up on the sidewalk or in someone else's yard to pass.
And this happens every morning.
I live there.
I have lived there for 20 years.
I know this.
Anyways, that's the first thing.
The second thing is that this is kind of like a situation of the camel poking it's head underneath the tent.
You are going to start off with this one project.
Okay, maybe this project looks really nice.
But the ones after won't.
And it will get worse and worse.
You need to go down almost any street in South Tampa, around Bay to Bay or any of those other streets where they have done several in-fills and you can see what's going to happen.
And the same thing will happen on Rome.
We don't have the easement capabilities on Rome for utilities and four-lane road.
Eights two-lane road with residences spaced closely on both sides.
And if you put in a four-lane road on Rome then you are going to have people cutting through the neighborhoods because I see that happening and I see people building a townhouse, I see people building townhouses where the tin shop used to be, I see people building townhouses where the trailer park is, I see people building townhouses where the other -- not the Spanish -- the German club, and there are several other large pieces of property that they are building townhouses on.
And you are talking about an incredible amount of density.
It's going to change the whole fabric of the neighborhood.
And on top of that it's going to bring in a greater density and a greater cost to the residents that's lived there that we didn't want.
We moved to that area.
I moved to the area because I love it.
I'm on the river.
I got a great view.
And there's a lot of people that -- even on the streets off the river that walk down River Shore Drive.
It's a very pretty park-like setting.
It's something we need to preserve in Tampa.
We don't need to maximize a development for the dollar of a few.
We need to maximize the beauty for the future of the many.
And that's what's really important.
Thank you.
>>GWEN MILLER: Thank you.
>>> David Snyder and I was sworn in. I live at 5460 River Shore right next to John.
And I'm going to show a couple pictures.
These are the houses that I guess you can get for 125,000.
These are some of the houses in the neighborhood.
I guess we are having a fire sale.
Built in about 1950, that's my neighbor's.
Our house was built in 1953.
It's my wife's grandmother's.
And we have lived there 18 years, because my daughter is 17.
She was pregnant when we moved there.
I believe that this property should not be rezoned as the other versus said, river bend is a single family detached home neighborhood, for the most part, some reasons against rezoning would be increased traffic.
Everyone says, every morning traffic is backed up on Rome and it's sure not going to help to put ten more families there on Rome.
As far as the sewer system, I understand the sewer department says it's great, that we get an awful smell on river shore from sanitary sewer, and they pump out the sewer with this big truck.
So it may be working but it does smell and then they come out and pump it out with a big truck.
That's all I know.
It appears to me that what we have here is a developer that wants to come in, take this pristine one acre and put ten condos in and make a profit.
None of these gentlemen live in river bend.
And that's the basic bottom line.
We have asked him to put in -- we met with him, asked him to put in single family detached homes.
But he didn't want to do that.
We are trying to improve river bend.
We don't believe ten small condos on one acre will improve river bend.
Please vote against rezoning this property.
Thank you very much.
>>GWEN MILLER: Thank you.
>>> 5903 north Rome Avenue.
I was sworn in earlier.
My address on Rome, I live on the Hillsborough River, but my lot is large enough, it's over two acres, it extends from Rome to the river.
Basically, although my pocketbook might say I'm foolish because I have got over two acres, it's not about the money, it's about the character of the neighborhood.
So I am opposed to this because I believe it's a threat to the neighborhood.
The developer, I believe, made arguments, his arguments could be used to oppose this project from the standpoint we have three trailer parks, we have a German American club that's probably well over four acres, there's 3.9 acres next door to me, and we have one commercial use of the property that we understand is coming up for townhouses as well on the west side of Rome towards Sligh.
And this neighborhood is in transition.
And all those uses, multifamily uses, all those other uses, all pre-date my arriving there as my principal residence which is 1980.
So all those decisions were made by previous councils.
And, you know, I just firmly believe that we shouldn't be perpetuating mistakes of the past.
The character of the neighborhood, it's detached.
Those apartments that are there, I think -- I went to those apartments when I was in high school, so I knew of their existence in high school.
And that was quite a few years ago.
The sewer issue is real.
There's a sewer easement that runs between my house and the river.
When there's a heavy rain, or there's very high tide, it floods the sewer pipes, the manhole cover blows and we have raw sewage running into the river on a constant basis.
I row the river every day.
I observe Manatees, porpoises up there, I have observed Ospreys and bald eagles in that area as well.
And I know there are issues the city has with EPA with regards to raw sewage spilling in our waterways, and it continues to be an issue.
So adding density is just going to make the problem -- any density even on an incremental basis may not have that big an impact but once you allow this rezoning you are going to have other projects coming up here for the same thing, and it's just not in character with the neighborhood and that whole neighborhood will change.
The last issue that I want to address is the developer talked about being challenged.
This is not a very challenging project, although it's very pretty.
Ten townhouses on that property is a no brainer.
It's a slam dunk.
Head down the road.
You have got to understand, our neighborhood is extremely diverse from a socioeconomic standpoint, and a race standpoint, and even though we have talked about crime here, I think castor -- I don't know what her rank is, Major Castor --
>> Chief.
>> Chief Castor now?
Will tell you it is one of the neighborhoods with one of the lowest crime rates in the city.
(Bell sounds)
Anyone else going to speak?
>>> Hi.
My name is Heidi, 5502 Riverside drive. This is my first time speaking here.
I came to Tampa in 1980 as a student at the University of Tampa.
And if any of you were here in 1980, you probably remember it was kind of a scary area.
I can remember being told never to walk off campus without a buddy.
That's changed.
South Tampa is now a beautiful area.
Scary in a different way now.
There's just a number of people, the amount of traffic, the density on there.
It's not -- the pendulum has swung completely in the other direction.
And that's all we are trying to do is keeping that pendulum from swinging pendulum from swinging.
From keeping people from building these kinds of multifamily units, from buying larger properties, because there are quite a few properties that are larger than the average, on which town homes could be built.
And we are just trying to keep that from happening.
I also remember the last time we went through one of these meetings when it was mentioned about the building that was allowed down in South Tampa.
We don't want that to happen here.
We would appreciate it very much if you would vote against this rezoning.
Thank you.
>>GWEN MILLER: Thank you, next.
Please let's not clap.
We all want to hear what they have to say but we don't want to applaud.
Let's just listen.
>>> Rod Tanner, north Rome Avenue, I have lived there since 1986.
The sewage problem is real.
I brought a photograph of the sewage manhole in my backyard.
This is what happens when you get the heavy rain.
It comes out in my backyard and runs right down the creek bank onto the river.
I own a little over an acre.
>>JOHN DINGFELDER: Are you sure that's not a decorative fountain?
>>> Rose Ferlita knows about this because she helped me last November when the sewer line broke in Sulphur Springs, sewage ended up here at this same manhole, the side of it broke.
And more than 2 million gallons of raw sewage flowed into the Hillsborough River, while the sewer department wanted to fix it, so here is what they proposed, was this monument to the sewer goddess in my backyard.
On a pristine piece of property that's 156 feet wide with a private lagoon looking over the river, it's 778 feet long.
I share a driveway with Lou Prada, and it's gorgeous there.
We live in a single-family detached neighborhood, and we want ton see it stay that way.
Our driveway dumps out in the morning on Rome Avenue for five blocks from Hillsborough, and the traffic backs up past our road to get out.
So adding more traffic to this road, even though the traffic counts look like they are beautiful, I think they are averaging a 24-hour period and at midnight I wouldn't have any trouble getting out but in the mornings when school traffic is out and everyone is on the way to work, it is really bad.
The sewage capacity is not there.
I'm telling you we have smells about 75% of the time.
It stinks in my backyard.
It's just from this raw sewage that doesn't seem to function properly.
The same lift station is the one that would be serving this property.
My property is three blocks south of where this is.
The plan also doesn't provide enough on-site parking.
I know it may meet the letter of the law of code but what happens is when you have parking that's in garages, people don't use the garage for their parking.
They put their bicycles, they put their camping gear, they put, you know, cookout stuff.
All that goes in there so those cars get displaced, added to an area that cannot absorb it.
And the officer talking about how dangerous it is on Rome Avenue, they have ten mailboxes just off the street.
So if I lived there, I am going to pull in and stop my car to get my nail.
Now no one else can come in and out so the people are going to stay on Rome Avenue blocking the traffic of the people, when I try to turn into my driveway, I have to start turning my signal and hit my brakes a bunch of times to the people know behind me that, hey, this guy is crazy, you better give him some room in order to be able to turn in safely.
And some narrow turn coming in and out.
And the density of this is not conducive to our neighborhood.
I ask you to vote against it.
Thank you.
>>GWEN MILLER: Thank you.
>>> I'm sworn in.
My name is Vivian Tanner.
I live at 5905 north Rome Avenue.
And I would ask you to vote no for this rezoning of this property.
This beautiful piece of property that I believe does not conform to our neighborhood standards.
Thank you.
>>GWEN MILLER: Thank you.
>>> My name is Dan Stevens.
I live at 5919 north Rome.
I'm in favor of this project.
The reason being, yes, I have a large parcel that last year was turned down.
My buyers were turned down.
And they should have been turned down.
There were too many unanswered questions with what they wanted to do.
And out of that meeting came up, this is what they need to do, a PD at this density.
There was another development, the last development that was in this neighborhood was a subdivision.
In that subdivision, they built as many single-family homes as they could, with small houses, small yards, small streets.
There's 12 or 18 homes there.
I'm not sure what the right number is.
But in that subdivision, they have got 18 or 20 people that will paint their house a different times, county their grass at different times, and with the parking, necessity park their vehicles in the yard, every house in that subdivision has vehicles parked in the yard.
People have said a traffic problem in this neighborhood, and yes, there's a traffic problem between 7 and 8:30 in the mornings.
And from 5 to 6:30 in the evening.
Just as every neighborhood in Tampa does.
At 10:00 in the morning or 2:00 in the afternoon, from Sligh to Hillsborough, you probably could roll a bowling ball down there and not hit.
So it's at peak times that every neighborhood has problems.
As far as the subdivision or the town homes, the subdivision you get cars parking in the street.
With the town homes they have some designated parking.
With the town homes you can control what goes on in there, by their association, they will control the painting, the lawn, there will be a lawn service come once a week rather than having different homes doing different times.
If they didn't want to get council approval, they could build single-family homes in here, and I'm not sure of the exact number, but with an acre of land at 5,000 square foot lots, they could get four, five, six houses there compared to ten town homes.
So something is going to get built there, whether it be five or seven houses, or ten town homes.
And I feel with town homes you have more control of the neighborhood.
And there's been concern about the buyers of this, who would buy there.
I have rental property in the neighborhood.
And I'm very fortunate to be -- this neighborhood is to be one mile from St. Joseph's hospital.
St. Juvenile probation officer he's hospital is a medical community around there with people that not only have jobs, but they have careers.
And my renters have stayed four and five years because it's so convenient for them to be one mile from the hospital.
They work 50, 60 hours a week.
It's very convenient not to have to do the drive.
And they are not talking renters but talking buyers.
And my experience is that they have got this source to draw from, one mile from this neighborhood, of highly qualified people that work a long time, and I think they would rather have -- in fact the renters I have had, I cut the grass because they don't have time.
So a townhouse would be a good option for them to have.
(Bell sounds)
There's my time.
Thank you.
>>ROSE FERLITA: Sir, excuse me.
>>GWEN MILLER: Come back, sir.
>>ROSE FERLITA: Can you answer one quick question?
How close to this projected site do you live?
>>> A block away?
Block south.
>>> Good evening Madam Chairman and council members.
Thank you for allowing us to speak to you tonight.
My name is Frank Fernandez.
My address is 5438 north River Shore Drive.
And I am against the townhouse development that has been presented here tonight.
When I listened to it in its presentation, I thought, that sounds great.
And it did. But what was being presented is not the true picture.
And you've heard from the people in the neighborhood.
You have heard from my neighbors.
And you have heard from the people that are dealing with the traffic and the sewers and are having to live with these conditions.
We don't want to continue to go downhill.
We want to improve the neighborhood.
We would like single-family detached dwellings.
The people that come up here that are from the neighborhood that are mentioning that they are in favor of it, I agree with them, and I appreciate their expression of their opinion.
But they are doing it from a vested -- they have an interest in it because they do have a large piece of land that they want to do exactly the same thing with.
That's what we are trying to fight.
We don't want the same thing to happen over and over.
The last thing that I have for you is that there's neighborhoods adjoining ours which is Wellswood and Seminole Heights.
They wouldn't want this in their neighborhood.
And neither do we.
I have the petition here that we sent to you.
We faxed it.
And I have got the original.
I would like to leave it with you so it can go on file.
Thank you very much for your time.
>>ROSE FERLITA: Put it over here.
>>> My name is Doris Garcia.
I live at 1509 west Lambright.
I am one mile north of the property.
I am for it.
The reason being, the gentleman before me said, it's not true, I have a large piece of property, I have no intention of selling or building.
There is properties all around there.
Most of these people live around the river.
None of them really live right next door to this property.
There is people that don't cut their yards.
There's trailers out there.
There's in a kind of deed restrictions.
I have the house right across the street from me, city has to come in every five months, the grass is this high.
And then if you have a townhouse like one of the people said, they have restrictions.
They have to keep up with it.
They have an association.
We don't have a deed restriction association.
They have a river bend association.
I don't know what they do.
But they don't keep up the properties.
If you go around the neighborhood for yourself, and you look up, there's trees that are dying, limbs that are coming down, they don't paint, they don't clean, they don't Don most of the property.
They don't keep up.
I am for it.
I think town homes will increase the value of the property.
That's it.
>>JOHN DINGFELDER: Your time wasn't up.
I just had a question.
I just raised my head.
>>> No, I'm done.
Do you have a question?
>>JOHN DINGFELDER: I raised my hand just to get the chair's attention.
If you want to finish, go ahead.
>>> No, I'm done.
>> Out of curiosity, you're a mile from this property?
>>> No, one block north.
>> Oh, one block north.
Did you see the sign or something?
Is that what motivated you to come down today?
>>> Yes.
>>> My name is Barbara Heiser, 1009 west Comanche Avenue.
The gentleman was talking about values of the homes in the area.
The house -- my house, like the next street up, is McKay, and Rio Vista.
A contracting company just went in, redid the house.
That house is the buy owner at $319,000.
And it is like 200 yards from the river.
It is not on the river.
So I don't know where he got his 125,000 dollar range.
So I about died when I pulled up the buy owner thing and I saw what he was selling it for.
Or asking.
But I just want to express, I was at the last meeting when we voted down the other thing.
And I just would like to keep the area as single detached homes.
>>GWEN MILLER: Thank you.
>>MARY ALVAREZ: Ma'am, the house that you saw for 319,000, would you have bought that house?
>>> It's beautiful.
They totally redid it.
They took all the overgrown trees, redid it, put pavers in, landscaped it, redid it, took the garage out.
It looks beautiful.
>> Would you pay the 319,000 for it?
>>> I don't know if I would pay 319.
I might pay 280.
But I wouldn't pay 319.
>>ROSE FERLITA: Ms. Heiser, they are probably a little negotiable so don't give it up yet.
>>> Good evening.
My member is Claudine Sewer, 2008 west fern, which is on the west side of Rome.
I don't have a drainage problem where I am.
I have not been in the neighborhood as long as a lot of the other folks that have spoken.
I am for the townhouses being built in this neighborhood.
I believe that to me the townhouses are much better than having the trailer parks that are there, or apartment complexes, because of the deed restrictions, and of a community association.
And I just wanted to, you know, say that I was for it, and I'm not that far away from it, from the facility, the land where they are going to -- where they are proposing to build.
And I am for that.
>>> Good evening.
I'm Edith Hinton, 1408 Alicia Avenue.
I live behind the project site.
I'm also the vice-president of river bend, which was formed in my backyard in 1997.
And, yes, we do do things, people.
We only meet when we have a problem.
And this was a problem.
And so we had two meetings on this issue.
I'm the wrap-up person tonight for river bend.
And I want to address a couple of things that were said.
As to the block of single family houses, somebody mows their yard and somebody doesn't.
You can always go to your neighbor and say, hey, didn't have time to mow your yard?
Number two, river bend is not a code enforcement association.
Not very pleased with the code enforcement that we are getting.
We have been through the neighborhood.
We have had the code enforcement officer with us.
You go to Frank the president and yet nothing is done.
So don't blame code enforcement issues, okay?
As to the smell of the treatment plant, I live a block up river from the treatment plant.
I guarantee you people those houses that you are going to build, they don't like the smell.
We don't like it either.
And we wish we could do something about it.
But again, we call and we call and we call.
So there are many issues that you heard addressed tonight.
You heard more -- no, did you not hear those before in opposition to the one that is were against.
And that was what our vote was at our last meeting.
When we had 91%?
We don't want these townhouses because it will open the door for a proliferation.
Thank you very much.
We appreciated what you did for us when we met before you at the convention center.
And we remember very well how you listened to us.
And we hope you are going to listen to us tonight.
Thank you.
>>GWEN MILLER: Thank you.
>>> My name is Daniel Monise.
I live right across the street where from where they want to build.
First there was a lot of things that were said as far as the townhouses, as far as the way -- excuse me.
First of all, excuse me, I'm in a lot of pain right now.
I think because my back is hurting right now.
But I wanted to represent the fact I live right across the street.
And I am for the townhouses.
I can't say too much.
I'm in pain right now.
>>GWEN MILLER: That's good enough.
Thank you.
You don't have to explain.
>>> Well, I am in a lot of pain and I disagree with a lot of things that are being said here because a lot of the people don't have ton look at the place.
I do. This is my backyard.
My yard is looking at the townhouses.
I have to see that.
Nobody else has to.
A lot of people here don't even live in the neighborhood.
So I'm in favor of it.
>>GWEN MILLER: Thank you.
>>> My name is Katia Gainey.
I live on West Fern Street.
I'm here tonight in favor of the town homes.
We drive that way every day, and down from Rome and fern so leaving our neighborhood each day that is what we look at is the empty lot.
I personally don't have a problem with seeing a nice development.
And we don't live -- we live on the west side of Rome.
We don't live on the east side.
So we don't live on the river.
And nor do we have houses in our neighborhood that are $300,000. In fact we have a very difficult time getting comps in our neighborhood.
Had the house appraised a little over a year ago and the gentleman had a very hard time.
The appraiser kept calling, I can't find comps.
I'm finding warehouses but I can't find any comps.
It's not because we don't have nice houses on the west side.
It's because we have such a mixture.
You know, you have some nice homes.
You have some new in-fill homes.
And you have some trailers that the people are in.
In addition to that we have a lot of people in our neighborhood that have been in their homes for 40 years, so that also made it difficult to get comps because they just don't leave.
They are very happy there.
We don't have a water problem.
I guess maybe it all stops at north street.
I'm not sure because we are a little below that and we don't have any water.
We don't drive through.
We don't have any flooding issues.
And we are for anything that we feel that would make our neighborhood more appealing, and where we are sitting on the west side, we feel that this would do that.
Thank you.
>>GWEN MILLER: Thank you.
>>> Michael lane.
I live at 1706 west fern street.
I sit probably three houses in, look directly into the lot from my front yard.
It was proposed, they did come around and they told us about it and I kept a very open mind about what I thought, what I thought about it.
I listened to a lot of the information, took a lot of the misinformation and took a lot of just general information in.
And I'm kind of in the minority because I approve it of it.
I think it's a good idea.
I think it will be good for the neighborhood.
I think it will be something that will be positive.
I think it will increase our property values.
I hear a lot about traffic, when you are talking about ten town homes, talking about two or three cars each.
You are not talking about a lot of traffic but talking about increasing.
It just doesn't seem like we think of things that just seems negligent as far as what the increase would be.
In my mind, I feel it would be good for the community in our area.
And if you are looking at starter homes, and the question, would I rather approve of starter homes?
I don't think so because you are going to have starter homes that will be much less value.
So that type of property, that size of property, you're talking about smaller property, you're talking about smaller houses, and you are dealing with starter homes, and those starter homes are going to go at much less price than what those town homes are going to go for.
So in my mind, my thinking, I approve the project.
>>GWEN MILLER: Thank you.
>>> Good evening.
My name is Steve Kelly.
I live at 1711 west fern street.
I have two properties on that street.
And I don't really have a problem with the neighborhood as it is right now.
I've only lived in that area eight years.
But I drive for the city.
I work for the city.
I won't tell you what department.
But in that area, between Hillsborough and Sligh, Rome and Armenia, you probably have right now under construction 10 to 20 individual single-family dwellings.
I see them every day, I see the debris, the whole nine yards.
The gentleman for the builders say right now we have 25 multifamily unit complexes in our area within a two-mile period.
He's also brought up the fact that we have several large parcels of land that are available for additional multifamily units.
If we open the door on this one here, and approve it, what do you do when the area gets overgrown, overpopulated?
We still have more water problems.
When are we going to back up?
I invite any builder to put a single family dwelling unit in my neighborhood.
If you want to be take this proposed site and put a cul-de-sac in there with several homes on it, be my guest.
I'll back you up.
But I think -- let me back this up.
The builder has a right to make money.
His investors have the right to make money.
I have the right to enjoy my neighborhood as I moved into it, as I put the labors of my resources, financing and energy into my homes, I have a right to enjoy that and not have somebody come in and move on my atmosphere.
I am not a member of the river bend association.
I have been catching bits and pieces of this conversation, and this battle that's going on.
My homes don't compare to some of the homes that I see in our area.
And my property value has gone up immensely from what I purchased it eight years ago to what it is now.
And I haven't really done anything other than just my own property.
I haven't pushed anything out on my neighbors.
But something has got to be stopped sometime and somebody has got to stand up for it.
And I.
>>GWEN MILLER: Thank you.
Anybody else like to speak?
Petitioner, you may come back and rebut.
>>MARTIN SHELBY: That's ten minute maximum.
>>> How much time do we have?
>>GWEN MILLER: Ten minutes.
>>> Okay.
Here we go on the ten minutes.
We are going to try to address some of the observations made from the public, and I'm going to try to do it as quickly as possible.
I hope I can get through the entire thing.
We respect everyone's opinion.
We try not to deal in begun, we try to deal in facts.
I'm going to show a couple of facts.
The first one is the traffic count.
Less than one percent of the traffic in April 2005 with the count 4500 vehicles that day.
There's a capacity of 10 thousand 300.
Second, the president of the association Frank Greco stated they have 700 names.
We have sent you a fax today and I'm going to read a part of the letter because in certain terms of trying to do it as fast as possible.
Jose Alando and Darren personally conducted a sample survey of those residents that signed the river bend petition, the 650 signatures.
Of the 56 residents that we surveyed, 51 stated that and signed our document stated why and signed our document that they were misled.
Here are our findings.
Many stated petitioners told them the town homes were section 8 housing, the town homes would be rented, the town homes were lowering housing.
We state if these statements were made they are mistruths.
Some stated petitioners told them that the neighborhood would be devalued.
We state the homes in the neighborhood average a market value approximately 125,000 and the town homes will sell in the 170 to 190 price range. The mother of one signatory told thaws her daughter lives in Wesley chapel. The mother of another signature in ar to told us her son who is 15 years old signed the petition.
The owners of three rental properties have signed the approval petition while their renters signed the 650 petition.
Frank Greco also stated at a recent last week they had a meeting, 91% voted against.
He never stated how many people attended the meeting.
We would like to know how many people attended the meeting.
21 people attended the meeting.
[Sounding gavel]
>> Please, don't interrupt.
Let's listen, please.
>>> Thank you.
We have a lot of people talking about drainage concerns.
Respectfully, Mr. Fernandez has a master's degree in engineering.
He spent two months with Mr. Busciglio with the City of Tampa department going over this document meeting its requirements in order to do what?
In order to contain 100% of the water incident on our one acre, 100% of the water incident on that acre will be put into our system.
25-year peak.
100% of the water incident on our acre will be contained in our system.
Two ponds and underwater system.
Two months, this gentleman worked with Mr. Busciglio.
We understand opinions.
We also understand people that are in the field that have the technical knowledge to do the analysis.
Our next door neighbor makes a statement that -- the next door neighbor has immense foliage between her property and our property.
We have said that we are going to introduce additional trees to the resident on the other side, and they are in favor of us because we are going to put trees.
We don't want to impede one neighbor the other.
The land behind us is wetlands.
I would like to go onto a new ow-
A few more facts.
I want to go onto a few more facts.
The first fact is, the following viewgraph I am going to show is actual sales of homes between July 04 and July 05.
Not opinions.
Actual sales from property from the public records.
Here they are.
Anyone is welcome and it's all of you have this particular -- anyone here can look at these addresses and see if they were not sold on that date for that price.
The average of that price is 125.
The average square feet is 1200.
Of course, we are excluding riverfront property, because this -- thank you.
I want to go on and state a few more things.
One of the other things that we want is we want your decision to be based on this case, merits of this case, the homework that we have done, what we are going to bring to the community, and if you think it's in the best interest of the community.
We don't want to know what's going to happen next week, next month, because anything can happen next week.
As a matter of fact, Katrina occurred a few weeks ago.
I don't think a lot of people planned on it.
So we want our case decided on the merits of what we are presenting to you.
We had some pictures showing -- and these are just some random pictures.
They better selected obviously quite nicely.
We have some pictures here of additional homes in the community, and we would just like to show a few of them.
We are talking about the average sale price in the community, 125,000, 1200 square feet, actual sales records.
Here are some pictures.
Here's some pictures of homes.
Very nice homes.
The value of these homes as they sell, 125,000, 1200 square feet. The pictures that were shown by the gentleman, very nice homes, probably on the river.
That's not what we are building.
Within 250 feet we took a radius, and we got the results that we did.
Let's go into another viewgraph, another restatement of viewgraph.
Someone said, we don't want open doors.
We don't want open doors either.
We want to bring a pleasing construction to this community that can benefit from the economic impact of what these town homes can sell for.
At the present time, we are not opening a door.
There are eight, 21, 3, 3 and 6, that's six, 27, 35 multi-families communities presently there.
Are we to be excluded?
We want to be on the merits of our case.
Mixed land.
We talked about it on Rome.
It's mixed.
Lumber yards.
We don't want to open any doors.
We want equal rights to build what we feel is a big asset to the community.
Let's go back to the facts.
The facts on the sewage.
I am not going to defend the sewer system.
That's for others.
But I will give information on what we were told by the department of the City of Tampa.
Minimal impact on the sewage system.
Did you want to add anything?
Oh, yes, there is a contract.
We are aware within the past year there was a contract.
We have heard complaints about the odor, that there was a contract issued to correct that problem.
I also note the statement from the vice-president of the river bend association.
I'm surprised.
We don't have meetings every month in order to improve our community.
We only have them when there's a problem?
Three a year?
How many meetings do we have of the community?
That's not the way the association is going to be handled.
It's going to be handled by the owners of the town homes themselves.
They are going to be in charge and they are going to protect their properties.
>>> I have two letters here from people that were unable to make it.
One was from the property that is immediately to the south of us.
They just purchased their home in April.
That is actually an above average of what the 125 average and the 1200 square foot.
They are in favor of the townhouses development.
Holly Murphy, which is in the letter, she was not able to attend and she wrote a letter also wanting her voice heard.
So I will submit these to you.
The people that came here today, that are in favor of the townhouse development, you will find their letters in the letters that I submitted to you earlier.
And I'd like to show you the map of the immediate area, to you.
You will see the -- above average homes that are in the area, and those pictures, and all of them signed our petition but one.
(Bell sounds)
One remained neutral.
>>GWEN MILLER: Thank you.
Your time is up.
Are there any questions by council members?
Ms. Alvarez has a question.
>>MARY ALVAREZ: Mr. Alonzo?
If you were to be granted the PD, what could you build on that land?
>>> What could I?
We could build the ten town homes.
>> Why are you asking for a PD?
>>> We need a PD because it's presently not a PD.
>> I understand that.
>> He doesn't understand.
>>MARY ALVAREZ: Let me ask the staff this question, please.
>>> Sure.
I'm sorry.
>>MARY ALVAREZ: Did you hear my question, Cathy?
>>CATHERINE COYLE: The reason for the PD is to attach the housing of the current zoning.
It's RS-50 which is single family detached.
Just by straight calculation, it's 1.0622 acres according to their petition.
If you divide that by 5,000 square feet per lot in an RS-50 it comes out to nine lots.
That does not account for laying out any kind of roadway or preserving the grand trees, but just by a strict area calculation, it would be nine single-family lots.
>>MARY ALVAREZ: Thank you.
>>JOHN DINGFELDER: Ms. Coyle, continuing along that line of thinking, the frontage on Rome is somewhat limited.
So theoretically if they left it RS-50, and they build sort of a semi private lane down the side where they are proposing now, and then branch in with detached single family, or would they have to just come in with a PD, and lay out a new --.
>>CATHERINE COYLE: Land development.
It really depends on how they lay it out because they have a lot of different issues with the site, one being the drainage canal in the northwest corner, or northeast corner of the property.
Which we don't have an easement for currently which they are getting through this.
The other issue are the scattered grand trees on-site.
The lane going in through a subdivision, for subdivision purposes, a private roadway, not just 40 feet in width that accommodates the easement areas, there would need to be a turn-around at the end of that, or some sort of circular motion through the entire property.
A turn-around on average for fire and solid waste purposes is around 84 feet in diameter.
>>LINDA SAUL-SENA: If you calculate all that, wouldn't it be more like four or five homes, single family detached homes that would be possible on this piece of property, given the widths of the roads required, the turn-around, the grand trees, the drainage easement?
>>> I don't want to give you a number for sure, only because things are so scattered out on the property.
I can't definitely say how many.
The maximum would be nine.
I would assume that many -- or some would be reduced by the constraints of the site, features on the site.
>> I would like to ask you one other question.
One of the materials made available to us was an aerial showing the immediate area.
And looking at this aerial -- here it is, other council members received it -- what I see from this aerial, which is proximity to the proposed petitioner single family detached homes.
>>> Well, there is a mobile home park.
M.H. park.
It takes up that entire block between those four streets.
This does show you a limited area.
There's only a three-street area, study that the petitioner did and I believe some of the references from other people that spoke go between Sligh and Hillsborough, much larger area.
I tried to zoom in to show you what was immediately around it.
>>GWEN MILLER: Other questions by council members?
>> Move to close.
>> Second.
(Motion carried)
>>ROSE FERLITA: Thank you.
This neighborhood obviously as we all recall, we were here last time, they had some good points about what they want us to consider for their neighborhood.
And petitioners suggest we deal with facts.
So Chief Castor pointed out the transportation and the problem that already existed.
That doesn't mean at this time petitioner's fault but it's certainly going to exacerbate it.
Chef castor is probably in a position to realize how often we have transportation issues out there that warrant the police officer to come out an handle some traffic concerns.
Frank Greco cited the fact there is a preponderance of single family detached, and the existing home stock and how it is being proposed is in keeping with that tone.
In terms of market value, I think maybe Mr. Alonzo ought to consider some different facts.
When you look at what the property appraiser suggests that market values are, I guarantee you that is never what is what the house is being sold for.
So the validity of the market value, facts that he showed, an average of 125,000 versus actual market value, is certainly not going to agree.
Ms. Nazarene talked about the stormwater so I don't think we need to recant her issues.
Mr. Tia Taylor talked about town home development and it isn't compatible with existing home stock.
Mr. Tanner talked about the sewage problem he already has.
I'm glad we tried to help with that.
But I'll tell you, Mr. Tanner, after this is over we need to look at that horrible sewage equipment that we put back there.
I don't know. Anyway, looking at all my notes based on what we already brought forward and realizing that is not necessarily a motion, although there is a motion involved, this neighborhood needs to protect what it has, and I think that it has shown us ample substantial evidence here that forces me to -- not forces me, but causes me to move for denial.
>> Second.
>>GWEN MILLER: Discussion on the motion.
>>JOHN DINGFELDER: I just want to add, chapter 27-326 of our city code states that for PDs, planned developments, which this application is seeking, the project, we must ensure complete compatibility with adjacent or future land uses and with adjacent or existing future land uses.
I think the testimony as Ms. Ferlita pointed out clearly shows that this project is inconsistent and incompatible with the surrounding neighborhood and the character of the surrounding neighborhood.
And more specifically, I think that if the developer had come in with a PD for five or six single-family detached homes, with the sensitivity that you have given to the trees, and that sort of thing, which I don't want to say goes unappreciated, I think you have been sensitive to the property.
But I just think that it's too many units for the property.
But if you came back with five or six single-family homes, detached, don't think any of these neighbors would have even bothered showing up.
Thank you.
>>GWEN MILLER: We have a motion and second.
All in favor of the motion say Aye.
Opposed, Nay.
Thank you.
Before we go to our next, Ms. Ferlita?
>>ROSE FERLITA: I believe he's not here but if he comes back in I would like to say a couple of words.
>>SHAWN HARRISON: The motion was denied unanimously for everyone who is waiting to see what happens what happened.
>>MARY ALVAREZ: Move to open number 6.
>> Second.
(Motion carried)
>>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I wonder if it would be appropriate for us to request the Planning Commission do an aerial study of this area, because it seems to me that there's a prevailing land use, and the prevailing land use is sort of low density detached single-family homes, and then we continue to have a number of requests in this area to change the character, and I just wonder if we could make everybody's lives better by asking could an area study be conducted?
>>JOHN DINGFELDER: We down planned a lot of this area to the R-10 -- Tony?
We down planned a lot of this area to the R-10?
>>TONY GARCIA: That's correct.
>>JOHN DINGFELDER: I think Ms. Saul-Sena indicates maybe we didn't go enough.
Maybe he would should have gone to the R-6.
>>> Maybe you might consider -- maybe you might consider amending, you know, the text of the R-10 provision.
It's something you can take into consideration, you know.
It's something that we can address, you know, when we conduct our workshops for the planned update.
I know it's a concern.
It's something that's been brought up time and time again.
>>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Mr. Massey, I see you're sitting there. The issue that Mr. Garcia brought up which is R-10 should include -- R-10, I'm sorry, the R-10 could preclude attached housing, can we do that as a text amendment?
Can we do that as a chapter 27?
>>MORRIS MASSEY: It must be text amendment to the comprehensive plan.
>>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Can you bring that back up to us in legal form?
I do need to make a motion to request that?
>>> Yes.
>>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I move that we request legal to draw, to change the text so that R-10 would preclude attached housing.
>>SHAWN HARRISON: Is that -- that sound like a major city-wide --.
>>TONY GARCIA: It's city-wide.
>>SHAWN HARRISON: I'm not going to support it because for the first time ever hearing it.
>>TONY GARCIA: That's why I did add the caveat, if you are going to add a text amendment along that line, as an alternate recommendation, I think you were talking about updating the comp plan, okay?
I think you are going to have to look at how town home developments interface with single family detached homes, and you might be able to go ahead.
I think there's going to be some recommendations coming along that are probably going to allow a much more logical transition of uses.
Because this is a project that's been prevalent, it's not just peculiar to this area.
R-10 is your predominant residential land use category in the City of Tampa.
So it's significant as far as the repercussions, like Mr. Harrison is talking about. So I think it will require a little more thoughtful discussion during our comp plan update.
Because everyone with that, even your recommendation for text amendment, we can't do a text amendment until the next available cycle which is March of 06 and that takes a year.
So that will coincide with the plan update just fine, too.
>>MORRIS MASSEY: I would concur.
We are going through an update process.
There may be alternative land use planned categories we may come up with in that process, through the process.
We are looking at our whole comp plan in totality and this is an issue to be looking at.
>>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Can you mutt that on the list of issues and policies that we need to refine?
Because we need more tools.
Thank you.
>>TONY GARCIA: It's a long-term solution.
It's not a quick fix.
>>> Marty Boyle, land development.
Item number 6.
Z 05-105.
This property is on the corner of Wyoming, and 6th street.
It is south of Gandy but north of Interbay.
They are proposing -- if you see, they are proposing going from a residential 60, RS-60 to RS-50.
To the south of it to RS-50 portion of the block and also PD went to RS -- well, they went to single-family residential 50, 50-foot lots.
This is the home that sits on the property.
They are proposing to divide this property into three single-family, 50-foot lots.
This is the house to the rear on Wyoming.
This is the parcel on the southeast of Wyoming and sixth street.
It has been rezoned to an RS-50.
And they are building.
They have a building permit.
Sign out front.
This is the house immediately to the south and across the street from Wyoming.
And this is the house to the east, across 6th street.
These are 50-foot lots that were rezoned.
Staff has no objections to the RS-60 to RS-50 rezoning.
The location of the actual address is 5825 South 6th street.
The homes along 6th street are a mixture of older single-family detached homes on both small and large lots.
And there is a newer development town home development located to the east.
This is a Euclidean rezoning, so you don't have a site plan in front of you.
We found the proposed development is consistent with the future land use policy, policy B, 3.3.
On the Elmo you will see the lots in red. The percent of nonconforming lots are 57%.
>>JOHN DINGFELDER: Ms. Boyle, I have a question.
It's a very broad question.
I hate to use the term moratorium, but whatever the fancier term was that we used.
>> The APZ?
>>JOHN DINGFELDER: The APZ abatement.
Much more palatable.
We had that abatement going on, and this is in the abatement area, is that correct?
Or just misses the abatement?
>>> Yes.
>> Misses it by a lot or two.
Did we just abate in the APZ or did we abate -- just APZ-1.
Thank you.
>>> There are no objections from any other agencies.
And so that concludes our presentation.
>>TONY GARCIA: Planning Commission staff.
I have been sworn in.
You picked up on that, Mr. Dingfelder.
I was going to address that APZ.
Predominant land use category is R-10.
I think Ms. Boyle articulated that you have had a history of single family attached approvals, from RS-60 to RS-50.
Planning Commission staff had no objections to the proposed request.
>>GWEN MILLER: Petitioner?
>>> I'm Rosemary Landers, 1303 Brantwood drive in Valrico, 33594.
And I'm requesting rezoning from RS-60 to RS-50.
On 5825 south 6th street, Tampa.
>>GWEN MILLER: Any questions by council members?
Anyone in the public like to speak on item number 6?
>> Move to close.
>> Second.
(Motion carried)
>>SHAWN HARRISON: Move an ordinance rezoning property in the general vicinity of 5825 south 6th street in the city of Tampa, Florida and more particularly described in section 1 from zoning district classifications RS-60 residential single-family to RS-50 residential single family, providing an effective date.
>>GWEN MILLER: We have a motion and second.
All in favor of the motion say Aye.
Opposed, Nay.
(Motion carried)
>>MARY ALVAREZ: Move to open number 8.
(Motion carried)
>> MARTY BOYLE: This is item 8.
Z 05-121.
This is Euclidean zoning.
You will not have a site plan.
The rezoning map is also in the same area, the Interbay area south of Gandy.
Just north of Interbay.
To the north of the subject site.
They are also asking to go from RS-60 to RS-50.
The property location is 6213 south main Avenue.
The site will consist of two 50-foot platted lots.
They are already platted, 2 and 3, Interbay.
All applicable City of Tampa development regulations.
The site is just located northeast of the accident potential zone.
On the Elmo, we show the subject site.
And all the lots in blue are nonconforming.
All the lots in red are conforming.
Block K is the subject site.
Block C -- I'm sorry, let me back up.
Block K and C is the subject block.
Six conforming.
Block C has 25 lot.
Black A has 18 total lots, 6 conforming.
Staff has no objections.
We feel that it is consistent with the future land use policy, and no other agencies have other comments or objections.
>>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Thank you.
I am looking at the aerial.
And I see what appears to be a really large tree, which is fine if there's only one house.
But if true what is the status of the tree?
Is it possible for someone to build a home and keep the tree intact?
>>> At the time of getting permits, they have to meet code.
So they would have to -- if it's a grand tree, or if it's a sizable tree they would have to meet code.
For that.
I hope that answer it is question.
>> Not really but I'll ask petitioner.
>>TONY GARCIA: Planning Commission staff.
I have been sworn in.
Predominant land use category for residential 10, residential 20, to the northwest, northeast of the intersection of Interbay, Interbay and Himes, as Ms. Boyle has stated is outside of the APZ.
Therefore can be considered for the request.
Here is the aerial as you have already seen.
Again, we have had a request in this area.
The request is consistent with those policies and objectives in the comprehensive plan.
Planning Commission staff does not object to the proposed request.
>>GWEN MILLER: Petitioner?
>>> For the record my name is Timothy Powell, president of TSP companies, our address is Post Office Box -- Tampa, Florida, tonight the authorized agent for the applicant David Kanstoroom, requesting from RS-6 to -- 60 to RS-50.
The subject property is currently a single family residential not occupied by one conventional single family home that will be demolished.
As mentioned earlier the surrounding zoning patterns are on the north, immediately to the north, is already an RS-50.
To the east, is RS-60 which has single family residential homes on it.
To the south is RS-60 single family residential homes.
And to the west is RS-50 and RS-60 single-family homes.
As noted earlier the proposed application is to rezone the existing plat to RS-50 to allow the redevelopment of the two lots in two sing am family residential homes.
Said rezoning is supported by the county's comprehensive plan designation of R-10.
The various viewing city department staffs and Hillsborough County, Planning Commission had no objections of this.
In conclusion we prepared a thorough professional submittal package in compliance with the city zoning code requirements and are reflected in the staff support.
We have noticed the surrounding maps and have received no negative comments.
Therefore based on the land use validity as well as the city and Hillsborough County city county planning staff comments and recommendations, I respectfully request you grant our request for this RS-50 rezoning.
To answer councilwoman Saul-Sena's question, unfortunately, I have been down there twice, and -- I'm visually trying to remember the tree that you're talking about.
And I can't specifically sight it but the answer would be the same as Ms. Boyle had already told you, that we will have to meet code.
That's the bottom line.
The issue has not come up in my discussion was Mr. Kanstoroom.
We talked about is it going to be able to meet all the criteria?
We thought about that long and hard before we asked for the RS-60.
>>LINDA SAUL-SENA: My concern is from the aerial it appears to be a very large tree.
I don't know if it's a grand tree.
I don't know if it's protected.
But if you make it a 50-foot lot and you want to put in a 25 foot driveway and you have a setback of 10 feet from the trunk of the tree, you can't tell from the aerial, I'll just expect that that tree is going to continue to thereby and be healthy.
But you're not going to ask for some kind of waiver to cut it down.
>>> The subject has never come up because I have been out there like I said twice, and what is puzzling me, I stood there and I looked at that house.
It's a big, empty, salesman's on the front yard.
So I'm not sure we're talking about the same lot.
>>LINDA SAUL-SENA: It isn't your petitioner, but we had recently petitions where trees disappear.
So they can build two houses on what was a single family house with a big tree in front.
That's why Y I am particularly sensitive to this issue.
And is anybody here from our -- do we have any city arborist here?
Well, there he is.
>>> Greg Yurcus, construction services.
As you well know I strictly stay to commercial, and doing residential, I can't comment on this.
But there are no waivers allowed for this process.
>>LINDA SAUL-SENA: No waivers allowed.
>>> No waivers allowed for the process.
It would have to go through a standard process.
Meeting criteria for removal which is listed in the code.
And under this design, residential services would ensure that the house is designed around the tree, unless there are extenuating circumstances with the tree that determine it to be unhealthy or a hazard.
>>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Is it appropriate between now and second hearing to get a city staff person out there just to check it out, to make sure that in this becomes a 50-foot lot that there's enough room for them to do what they want ton do and also maintain the tree?
>>> Yes.
That would not be a problem.
And I have been sworn.
Sorry, Marty.
>>GWEN MILLER: Is there anyone in the public that would like to speak on item number 8?
>> Move to close.
>> Second.
(Motion carried)
>>ROSE FERLITA: Thank you.
Move an ordinance rezoning property in the general vicinity of 6213 south main Avenue in the city of Tampa, Florida more particularly described in section 1 from zoning district classifications RS-60 residential single family to RS-50 residential single family, providing an effective date.
>>GWEN MILLER: I have a motion and second.
All in favor of the motion say Aye.
(Motion carried)
>>KEVIN WHITE: Move to open number 9.
>> Second.
(Motion carried)
>>MARTIN SHELBY: Again a reminder when you state your name please reaffirm for the record that you have been.
Thank you.
>> Marty Boyle, land development, I have been sworn.
This is item number 9.
Z 05-122.
On the Elmo you will see the subject property, south Dale Mabry
West Bay Avenue.
Single-family subdivision.
Petitioner is proposing a development going from commercial general to a planned development.
The address located at 6207 through 6211 south Dale Mabry Highway.
They are asking to construct 16 single will family attached units, all with two-car garages.
Accessing internal one-way circular drive, two compact visitor parking spaces are shown on-site. The structure stands three stories with a maximum height of 35 feet, elevations have been submitted at date of this report.
I just want to show you pictures of the subject site, as of this right now.
This is an existing use, I believe a hairdresser, salon, not sure what the use is here.
The rest appears to be a transient residential nature.
This is the view looking north of south Dale Mabry.
This is a view looking south on Dale Mabry.
This is the view looking directly across the street, or east from subject parcel.
This is a multifamily town home -- I'm sorry, apartment.
And here is the existing site, more of a transient apartment-type neighborhood.
Staff has no objections to this rezoning.
Land development has reviewed the proposed site and believes it meets the intent of chapter 27, section 137.3, the single-family attached design standards.
Single family attached development units shall be designed and situated so the primary front wall of each unit is facing dedicated public or private rights-of-way.
Rear wall units shall not face street right-of-way except when one group of attached units is on the lot as defined in section 27-100.
The two required spaces shall be enclosed.
When auto storage is provided in the rear yard, the two required spaces may be open or enclosed.
Each townhouse unit contains a two-car garage.
No fewer than three dwelling units and no more than eight dwelling units shall be constructed in a continuous configuration.
The property contains .69 acres.
The current zoning district commercial general allows up to 45,000 square feet of commercial structure with a parking garage on the subject parcel.
The CG zoning district allows up to a maximum of 45 feet of height.
The PD proposes a maximum height of 35 feet.
The properties to the north, south and west are zoned CG.
The property to the east is zoned RS-60.
We have the findings of fact.
The council must consider in a PD zoning, and the purpose, and we feel that this rezoning meets those, and we have no objections.
>>TONY GARCIA: Planning Commission staff.
I have been sworn in.
Lag to the future land use categories for this particular section, predominantly on CMU-35, residential 20 and residential 10.
We have had subsequent site plans that have shown this appendage which was originally part of the original PD has been omitted, taken out, so effectively the site has been reduced so please disregard this piece over here to the left.
I think what's significant about this particular piece is that it offers the opportunity of allowing residential use on the site, a higher density which is a logical transition, and reports the opportunity of redevelopment of a site that is really underutilized for an existing commercial strip, small commercial strips, and some underutilized housing which is really in a state of disrepair as Ms. Boyle had stated.
The site is within the sun bay south residential neighborhood and is along Dale Mabry which is a south-north area, single-family detached housing which could be located on the periphery of an established residential neighborhood which of course is sun bay south, to the west over here.
Again, I think that the most important feature of this particular piece of property is the redevelopment, revitalization of an underutilized parcel, and CMU-35 does allow for consideration of the proposed request.
Planning Commission staff has no objections to the proposed request.
>>GWEN MILLER: Petitioner.
>>> Jeff Sheer, I have been sworn, Ruud and McCluskey law firm, 33602 representing Dale villas, petitioner.
We are asking for a rezoning from CG to PD to construct 16 town homes.
As you saw on the pictures, it is underutilized site.
Most of the site is for housing that's I think rented weekly.
It's in very poor condition.
We believe this would be a real improvement to the neighborhood.
We are going from CG to residential use, a less intense use, and we have the engineer and developer here, if you have any questions.
But otherwise, that is our presentation.
>>GWEN MILLER: Any questions by council members?
Anyone in the public like to speak on item number 9?
Please come speak.
>>> Jim muggy.
I live at 3916 treasure circle which is immediately to the rear of this property.
I'm an adjacent corner.
I have been sworn in.
I only have two issues.
One that's been addressed but I want to make sure not just addressed but somehow agreed upon, in writing, that being that the original proposal, the letter I received did not separate the RS-60 portion of the land from the commercial.
They just lumped it together.
And then I see on this paperwork here that they have separated it, but they have only done one request.
So if you grant PD for the commercial side, according to just what's on paper here, you will at the same time be running the PD for the residential, which is adjacent to my property on treasure circle.
And I definitely don't want that to happen.
It wouldn't be correct for use and it would definitely be a problem.
>>MORRIS MASSEY: Legal department.
Today we received a revised legal from the developer, which deleted the RS-60 parcel out from the zoning request.
So it has not been -- it's not part of this rezoning request tonight.
It will remain RS-60.
>>> But that's what I wanted to address to make sure that has been done.
And the only other thought, I know that it will be covered in future situations where they have to do their permits and so on, is the stormwater situation.
I have had people since the notice for this meeting has come up.
I have had three different visits from the stormwater people.
Because of an existing easement that goes completely along the rear of the property in question, and continues on my property.
And it hasn't been maintained.
And there's a problem with the drainage that has to be addressed, although it hasn't been brought up right now, but I'm sure that it will be, permitting process and so on.
So with these two problems covered, I have no problem with it.
>>GWEN MILLER: Would anyone else like to speak?
>>KEVIN WHITE: Move to close.
>>MARTIN SHELBY: Make sure the gentleman doesn't have anything to add.
>>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I have a question.
It looks like everybody has two car garages, is that correct?
Which is a good thing.
You know how people have a tendency to put stuff in their garages, and I just hope that in the future this is not the worst nightmare trying to get around the 20 feet, one-way street to get in and out, with people parking in vehicles, if people have 15 feet to the -- ten feet for driveway, five feet for sidewalk, but they have cars there 24 feet long and they park them in their driveway, they are going to be sticking out into the 20 20th-foot street and I hope that everybody who lives here can get around.
I guess I just want to be reassured by the petitioner that he believes this is going to work.
>>> Well, we have done others in this way.
Wave talked about -- I guess there are some cars that are 24 feet long but typically the cars, there's enough room behind the garage so that there is -- two cars can pull behind the garage.
And I think a typical car would fit there without a problem.
Plus we do provide some guest parking, I believe two guest parking spaces which is more than most of these do.
So we have got -- we have two-car garages plus the ability to pull behind those garages, plus two guest parking spots.
>> All I can say is I'll visit here in three years after it's built out and we'll see what the parking is like.
>>> You're welcome to visit.
>> Move to close.
>> Second.
(Motion carried)
>>KEVIN WHITE: Move an a petition from CG commercial general and RS-60 residential single family to PD sings will family attached providing an effective date.
>>GWEN MILLER: I have a motion and second.
>>KEVIN WHITE: Is this a revised ordinance taking the RS-60?
>>MORRIS MASSEY: We had the corrected legal attached.
But the title of the ordinance is incorrect.
So why don't you direct to the legal and we'll bring back a corrected ordinance next week.
>>KEVIN WHITE: So we won't go on first reading.
All right.
Make a motion to send back to legal for corrected title and we'll read it next week.
>> Second.
(Motion carried)
>>KEVIN WHITE: Move to open number 10.
>> Second.
(Motion carried)
>>> Marty Boyle, land development.
Item number 10, Z 05-123.
If you look at the Elmo, it shows this parcel south of Gray Street, north of Kennedy, the subject site.
They are proposing to go from a PD to a PD.
They have previously been rezoned to a PD.
I believe it was for two town homes.
It was never built.
And they are rezoning now to a PD and they are asking for three attached town homes.
In the area, there is attached housing tort north.
Strict commercial site.
On the corner of Westshore and Kennedy.
We have a Walgreen's.
And there is Westshore plaza.
The existing home on the site.
This appears to be -- this is north, directly behind the subject parcel.
There's four-car garages.
It appears to be either
There is an office use immediately to the west across the street.
This is the front of the subject home.
The view rate across the street from the home is the parking lot of a Burger King.
The parcel immediately to the southwest.
It's a large multifamily project.
Directly to the southeast, next door to the Burger King, is a part of a parking lot.
This is the eastern parcel, single-family home.
And this is two lots to the east on North A Street.
Like I said, they are going from a PD to a PD.
We had objections to the request based on comments from stormwater and parks and recreation.
However, since that time, since this staff report, the petitioner has come in and put notes on the site plan to satisfy all the comments.
So at this time we would have no objections.
The property is located at 4521 west North A Street.
Like I said, it's to construct three single family units with two-car garages.
Each garage will have two parking spaces in tandem adjacent to the street.
The proposed maximum building height is 34.66 feet, two units Romaine direct access to Trask while the third unit accesses North A Street. The PD setbacks are as follows.
16 feet to the south.
14 feet to the east.
15 feet to the north.
And 16 to the west.
Building elevations are attached to the site plan.
Under findings of fact, single family attached dwelling units shall be designed and situated so the primary front wall interest to each unit is facing dedicated public right-of-way.
We find that this when all the storage is provided in the front, two required spaces shall be enclosed.
When all the storage is provided in the rear yard the two required spaces may be open or closed.
We find that they are having -- they have the two-car garage.
No fewer than three dwelling units and no more than eight dwelling units shall be constructed in contiguous configuration.
They contain three units.
Our objections, we have no objections based on the fact of we don't feel in this block that even though they are removing the home, everything surrounding it is either commercial or multifamily.
And there are one-single-family homes but is a rather large home, and we don't feel that the town home units would overwhelm that.
So at this time we have no objections.
>>MARY ALVAREZ: Is there on-street parking?
>>> There is no on-street parking.
>>GWEN MILLER: Thank you.
>>TONY GARCIA: Planning Commission staff.
I have been sworn in.
The subject site is located within the Westshore Palms neighborhood association area.
Land use category is residential 20 which allows consideration of the request.
As you can see, the underlying land use categories for this immediate area, residential 20, which encompasses the site in question, UME 60, along Kennedy Boulevard, R-35, and Westshore activity center, Westshore plaza right here, Kennedy Boulevard is right here, as Ms. Boyle stated. The site is already under the PD is approved for two single-family attached units.
They are making request for three single-family attached units.
As all of you know, historically the trend in the Westshore Palms area because of the prey dominant underlying land use categories is fully integrated in that it has a variety of residential uses anywhere where from single family attached to condos to apartments which do exist along this area so you have condos, apartments, town homes, a variety of town homes to the east over here, off of North A Street.
Planning Commission staff has in a objections to the proposed request.
>>GWEN MILLER: Petitioner?
>>> Madam Chairman, members of council, my name is Steve Reynold, with the law firm of McFarland Ferguson, and I have been sworn in.
We are located at one Tampa City Center.
I'm not sure just how detailed to make this presentation.
Is it okay to ask anyone?
>>GWEN MILLER: Is there anyone in the public that would like to speak on item number 10?
>> Move to close.
>>> I think the staff made a great presentation.
I will be happy to supplement it anyway you might find appropriate.
Thank you very much.
>>GWEN MILLER: Motion and second to close the public hearing.
All in favor of the motion say Aye.
>>KEVIN WHITE: I wish the other petitioners could take lead on that.
>> Move an ordinance rezoning property in the general vicinity of 4521 North A Street in the city of Tampa, Florida more particularly described in section 1 from zoning district classifications PD single family attached to PD single family attached, providing an effective date.
>>GWEN MILLER: I have a motion and second.
(Motion carried)
>> Move to open number 11.
>> Second.
(Motion carried)
>>> Marty Boyle, land development.
Item number 11, Z-05-124.
>>JOHN DINGFELDER: I am going to go crazy here and ask if there's members of the public here other than the petitioner.
On this item 11.
I just want to ask the question.
It might help Marty gauge her presentation.
>>GWEN MILLER: There's no one there, Marty.
>>> Ohio.
Actually we are in the Interbay area again.
They are asking, they are asking to go from RS-50 to RS 6 -- from RS-60 to 50.
The property is on Ohio Avenue and they are asking to create two buildable zoning lots for single family detached structures.
The standard setbacks for RS-50 are 20, front yard 20, rear and 7 side.
The homes along Ohio Avenue within block 5 appear to maintain varying front setbacks.
Blocks 4, 5 and 8.
Were originally platted lots measured 50 by 139.
All three blocks combined contain 61 total zoning lots, 42 or 668% of those lots have been developed as plotted, 68% with 50 foot wide lots.
We have no objections to this rezoning.
>>TONY GARCIA: Planning Commission staff.
I have been sworn in.
The overall land use category is residential oh 10.
The site is located north of bay.
Planning Commission staff has no objections to the proposed request.
>>GWEN MILLER: Petitioner?
>>> Charlene Whittlesy, 3207 West Knight Avenue in Tampa, Florida 33611.
>>GWEN MILLER: Are you in favor of the petition?
>>> I am.
Move to close.
>> Second.
>>> I have been sworn in.
>>GWEN MILLER: Is there anyone in the public that wants to speak on item number 11?
>>MARY ALVAREZ: Move to close.
>> Second.
>>GWEN MILLER: Item 11.
(Motion carried)
>>JOHN DINGFELDER: Move to adopt an ordinance rezoning property in the general vicinity of 3411 west Ohio Avenue in the city of Tampa, Florida more particularly described in section 1 from zoning district classification RS-60 residential sing am family to RS-50 providing an effective date.
>>GWEN MILLER: Motion and second.
(Motion carried)
>>MARY ALVAREZ: Move to open number 12.
>> Second.
>>MARY ALVAREZ: Do you have a report for number 12?
I couldn't find one.
>>> Marty Boyle, land development.
Item number 12, Z 05-125.
Rezoning map on the Elmo.
South of Swann.
Northwest of the Crosstown expressway.
This is the parcel.
This is Swann.
Kash N' Karry to the east.
You have a CVS on one corner.
The northeast corner.
Also directly across the street you have an office complex.
Further to the east is another.
Subject rezoning, they are proposing rezoning going from a commercial general, a commercial intensive, and an RO 1 residential office to a planned development, residential office retail.
The following waivers they have asked for to reduce the green space requirements from 350 square feet to 250 square feet per unit.
>>LINDA SAUL-SENA: What is the total?
>>> 248 units.
>> No, what is the total request for reducing green space?
>>JOHN DINGFELDER: Total green space reduction.
>>> 100 tames 248 so that's 24 thousand 800.
>> Of reduction?
>>> Reduction, correct.
The other waiver they requested from chapter 13 an inch for inch replacement will be provided, and they said existing trees required for the previous development.
The site is 100%.
They also asked for waiver, 100% impervious design to meet SWFWMD and city requirements for water quality only.
The petitioner proposes to rezone a parcel of land at 2212 West Swann Avenue.
The site is located as we showed you the southeast corner of Swann Avenue and Howard.
Petitioner proposes to rezone the property to a planned development constructing 248 multifamily units with retail uses on the ground level.
The building stands four stories, and 60 feet in height.
There is a parking structure located to the rear of the project, which is four levels.
The site is 4.1 acre site retail uses shall be located at the ground level along Howard Avenue and Swann Avenue.
Staff had objections based on transportation.
Solid waste, parks and recreation, stormwater.
However, since the staff report came out a week ago, they have satisfied all conditions with notes on the site plan.
Also, --.
>>JOHN DINGFELDER: Does that include the overlay district?
>>> They made a notation on the site plan that they would comply with the Soho district overlay.
And that satisfied land development.
>> How is that achieved at the later date?
>>> They are saying they'll comply with all standards so all permitting.
Is that correct?
>>JOHN DINGFELDER: The overlay district standards -- Cathy, can you help us?
On the overlay district, I'm not overly familiar with them.
But is that just something they say we will comply, and then they get it, and then building looks at it?
Or does zoning continue to look at it?
>>CATHERINE COYLE: It goes through permitting and they are required to submit additional plans with Wilson Stair.
He does review the overlay compliance through the permitting process.
>>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I just want to say that I'm curious if there are 24,800 feet deficient in green space, how are they -- how did they satisfy that with you?
>>CATHERINE COYLE: I will let petitioner speak as to that waiver.
I mean, they have asked for the waiver.
>>LINDA SAUL-SENA: You said you didn't have any objections because you are happy with everything but that to me is a very significant waiver, 24,800.
>>> Let me have Greg answer that.
Greg Yurcus.
In going over this, there's not a lot of green space on the site currently.
And they were going to go ahead and they were upgrading all the landscaping.
I thought early discussions that they were going to be doing some terraces or some rooftop type balconies, or green spaces, early discussions.
We were just allowing the waiver to come through to council to figure out to make the decision if you felt that was necessary or not.
>>LINDA SAUL-SENA: But don't you think that's a red flag?
>>JOHN DINGFELDER: I guess the point being we have had comments from staff in the past that says we have concerns about waiving too much excessive green space.
We have had those comments.
>>> Greg Yurcus: Yes, and I don't believe I fully commented on this to staff, just do to some other constraints in the job.
So I'm at a little bit of a loss this evening on this one.
>> Let them do the presentation.
>>> Any more questions?
>>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Not at this time.
>>TONY GARCIA: Planning Commission staff.
I have been sworn in.
The site is located on the southeast corner of South Howard and Swann, one of the more notable activity areas in the Soho district.
As you know, you have approved the plan amendment changing to heavy commercial 24, this segment over here to CMU-35.
So this is reflects CMU-35 land use designation.
This T request is for 248 units in addition to several 19,000 square feet of office use, I believe retail, I'm sorry.
You have a mixture of residential uses in the area, anywhere from northeast of the intersection to town homes and single family detached uses as well as a variety of retail and general commercial uses in the area.
What is significant also in this particular area, this will encompass a large segment of the southeast corner of what is already recognized as the future commercial activity center in the Soho district. This district has been noticed as an area where development has designed to encourage pedestrian activity.
In realizing that, the need for additional pedestrian amenities along Howard and Swann are encouraged as well as enhanced crosswalks on the intersection of Howard and Swann.
There is justification for the request as this project would be a significant addition to the Soho area.
We are making these requests in addition to additional landscaping and other amenities such as public art which could be placed on the project specific as a counter to the reduction in the waiver of green space.
At least we are offering that as a proposal.
We have asked the applicant to provide additional amenities that would enhance the Soho area as they are going to become a significant presence in the area.
So we have asked them for those requests.
>>JOHN DINGFELDER: Those being what specifically?
>>> We asked for alternatives such as additional landscaping on the project, enhanced landscaping, public art as part of the design.
We have also asked for enhanced streetscaping, and additional enhanced crosswalks in the intersection of Swann and Howard.
>> Did you say something about a park area?
Or public art?
>>> Public art.
I said that really quick so it came out as "park," I guess.
I'm sorry.
But I think some of those issues are amenable to and they will be addressing them in their presentation.
Planning Commission staff had no objections to the proposed request.
>>GWEN MILLER: Petitioner?
>>DAVID MECHANIK: 305 south Boulevard.
I'm hear on behalf of the applicant.
I have with me this evening Mr. Anthony Everick for post properties, the owner of the project.
And I have Mr. Steve Henry with me, also, who is a transportation engineer.
Let me just speak to one issue that Mr. Dingfelder raised, and Mr. Everick will speak to the green space issue.
Mr. Dingfelder, you had questioned about the compliance with the Soho standards.
The site design, I believe there was no comment in terms of the design as meeting the Soho overlay.
I understand what you're saying.
If you were to a playoff the site plan you can't just redesign the whole project.
But there were three specific comments that Marty raised as a question about the compliance.
One was that she hadn't seen a rendering of all the faces of the building and she just didn't realize she had that in her file, so we satisfied that as a comment.
The second comment was we didn't show detail for streetlights.
And typically we don't show streetlights on a PD site plan.
But that is something that when you come in for construction approval, you do show the streetlights.
And we have already asked for the specifications that are currently being used on Howard Avenue, and we will be using those particular -- those identical light fixtures.
Her third comment was we didn't show signage.
And again we typically don't show signage on a PD site plan.
But that is something that does get addressed for conformity with the Soho overlay.
But all of our other aspects of the plan were strictly in conformity with the Soho guidelines.
And with that I'd like to introduce Mr. Everick who will give you an overview of the project and speak to enhanced landscaping in connection with the green space waiver.
Thank you.
>>> Anthony Everick, Post Properties, 5055 Interbay, and I have been sworn.
We made a business plan of the last 35 years for developing high quality multifamily developments.
We were one of the first groups in the nation to embrace the new urbanist movement in developing mixed use projects like the one we are proposing tonight.
And we have always tried to be responsible to developers.
If you look at some of the projects we have done in the Tampa area, and having come before this board many times on some of those projects, we always followed through on what we said we were going to do with those projects, high quality materials, and we have always tried to create projects that were real assets to the community.
One of our company mottos is we are trying to build better neighborhoods.
And so in developing this plan, we trade to come up with a plan that we thought would be an asset to the neighborhood but then also help to mitigate some of the problems in the area.
In designing this project, we did meet with the neighbors.
We talked with the neighbors quite extensively.
We met with city staff.
We believe we successfully addressed all of their comments in our plan.
Having lived in Tampa all my life, I have the great personal experience of what happened, and really the problems that have come up as a Soho district has grown, and certainly we all know that traffic is an issue.
And when we designed this project, what we tried to do is design a project that would actually reduce the peak traffic hours over what is currently on the property and certainly with CG use that the property is zoned for right now you could build a much more intense use than what we proposed but we feel that wouldn't be meeting the characteristics of the neighborhood, and we have always tried to be good neighbors at Post and trying to build things that we feel are in character with the neighborhood.
Even though the project will generate less traffic trips than the current existing use, we do have problems at the intersection of Swann and Howard.
Everybody knows that.
If you look at the signalization, for example, you can sit at that light, and I sit at that light, and say, why isn't this light changing?
It needs to be changing.
And so we talked to transportation department, and agreed to certain mitigation that we think are going to be a real help to that intersection.
Steve Hendry, who is our traffic engineer is going to speak to those later on.
We knew that parking in the district was a problem, tanned city at one time had proposed to build a parking garage in the district, and so when we designed our project we wanted to make sure that we added extra parking so the ground floor of our garage has about 98 parking spaces and the code for our retail is about 76 parking spaces.
We have 22 extra parking spaces on the ground floor of that garage, and that will be open to the public at all times.
Certainly, if we don't get all retail uses we have a lot of professional office users contacting us now about the location.
The parking requirements will probably be less for the professional office users, so we actually may have quite a bit more parking than we need depending on what uses go in there.
But the retail uses, we have substantially more than what we need.
In our neighborhood meetings, some of the neighbors have raised an issue about stormwater at the corner of Inman and Swann and that there's ponding there and flooding, so we agreed to expand our retention vaults to not only cover the retention on our site but to try to help with that problem at Inman.
Right now the site is virtually impervious.
Even with the landscaping reduction that we are requesting, we are going to have a significant improvement over what is currently there, regarding open areas and green space.
Just to talk about that landscape waiver request, it's consistent with what we have requested before.
We built this product type.
Other areas of the country, most other municipalities have seen that if you're developing in an urban area and you're redeveloping in-fill site, it's very difficult to have an urban -- a suburban type landscape requirement.
And so we do try to achieve the landscaping improvements through other things.
At Post we will do double the tree sizes, for example, on the streetscape, versus what most other developers did.
We will commit to landscaping enhancements over and above what the code requires, and we will commit to a specific standard.
We do that as part of our business because we like the way our projects look when they have fully mature landscaping, and it's good for the neighborhood, it's good for us, and post has had a tradition with its landscaping in doing that.
>>JOHN DINGFELDER: Speaking of landscaping.
When I look at your drawings, it looks very nice, it actually remind me of Hyde Park village to a certain extent, has a good urban flavor to it.
What the difference is between this and Hyde Park village is all of your open space is in the middle of your private area, with no public open space at all.
And in contrast you look at Hyde Park village, as you well know, your local hanging out, a very large open space, public space area.
You're asking for tremendous amount of open space waiver.
And I'm just wondering if there's been consideration, or could you consider, and I know frontage footage along Howard and Swann is valuable in terms of retail and that sort of thing, that a pocket park in this area either on Howard or Swann would be a wonderful attribute for this entire, dense, urban, and more and more urban area.
>> I agree.
You know, we are under the overlay district guidelines.
We cannot have a setback, more than 18 feet, nor less than ten feet from the street.
>> You can have anything you want.
And if we grant it on this site plan.
>> That's true.
But I'm trying to comply with the terms of the overlay district, because I think --.
>>JOHN DINGFELDER: I understand that.
But what I'm saying is -- and you don't have to answer it right this second, confer, during the public presentation.
When you come back on rebuttal, I'd like to hear about a little more public open space, a little pocket park, something, you know, something to make a break in the urban structures.
But go ahead.
I apologize for interrupting.
>>> In several of our meetings with the neighbors, we heard complaints about the condition and the design of the crosswalks at the corner of Swann, Howard, and that also there's a desire to have a crosswalk on Inman, where Inman meets Howard.
And when we develop these communities, we try to develop them in a very pedestrian friendly way.
If you look at our project in Orlando, post park site in downtown Orlando, for example, we actually have a situation where our residents on the weekend park their cars and walk to the farmers market, walk to the grocery store, walk to the restaurant.
It's really interesting to see that happen.
And I think we have an opportunity here where people will actually park their cars at times, because they can walk to Kash N' Karry and there's lots of other entertainment avenues up and down Howard Avenue.
But we have agreed with the neighborhood and committed to it in our request to rebuild the crosswalks at Swann and Howard with brick pavers, and then if City of Tampa transportation department will approve the new block crosswalk at Inman, and there are some safety issues that have been raised with crossing the block, but we are going to work with transportation department to determine if we can find a way to make that a safe crossing given the fact that the traffic is slow coming up to the intersection, and I know the neighborhood would appreciate that.
You know, additionally, we have always been an advocate for public transit on Harbor Island, for example.
We built two trolley stops for the trolley.
We fund them.
We own the land that they are on.
We maintain those trolley stops at our cost and expense.
We provided all the furnishings and the cover for it.
And certainly if we end up in a situation where a trolley does get expanded into this area, we will commit to providing a trolley stop as well as a cover to provide some cover from the elements, and we are firmly behind the neighborhood in their support of the trolley.
And certainly would participate, you know, with the neighbors in trying to build that system in our area.
All in all we believe we have a project that fits very well with the character of the neighborhood.
We are trying to be responsible developers.
We are trying to be inclusive and to take in the comments of our neighbors, and our planning and design, and we are trying to help solve some of the problems that are being faced in the district.
Any questions I can answer?
>>ROSE FERLITA: I just have a quick question.
Awhile ago when you were talking about taking care of the stormwater problems, I think you said Inman and Swann.
>>> I'm sorry, it's Inman and Howard.
>> Because I know it's east and west and I didn't know --
>>> no, I'm sorry.
It's almost my bedtime so --.
>>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Do you have some smaller drawings of the rendering?
>>> Yes.
And actually --.
>>ROSE FERLITA: We have some here.
>>> And what you have got, this is the Howard Avenue rendering.
And you can see there is ground floor retail here, with residences above, and then parking garage in the back.
The parking garage would be with architectural features in order to make it like a building so it doesn't look like a parking garage.
And all the tower elements, the height of the building is about 50 feet and the same with the garage.
The tower elements kick up another 10 feet and that's what we are asking for a 60-foot height limitation and we would be limited to architecture almost.
But these units are scheduled to have rooftop terraces behind them.
And so this unit would have a stairwell that would lead up to the tower and lead to their private rooftop terrace.
And we have a few units here, here, here, and around the corner that would accomplish that.
And so we will be providing some green space up on the elements.
I don't know -- count that towards a requirement, but certainly we would hope to give some consideration towards that reduction and the landscape requirement because we are providing these terraces.
>>MARY ALVAREZ: How do you propose to reduce the landscape waiver from 250 to 250?
>>> Well, we would propose to use enhanced plan materials.
So instead of 3-inch caliper tree, a higher caliper tree, we need to try to figure out what an acceptable standard would be.
But we would use more mature plants instead of going with the basic standard, and then hope to get credit for some of the rooftop terraces and things.
>>MARY ALVAREZ: So the green space is -- you would leave the green space alone.
What you would do would be enhance it with shrubbery?
>>> We would enhance it over and above what the code requires, significantly enhance it.
When we say enhance it, we do not anticipate putting in, you know, something that's not significantly larger.
>>MARY ALVAREZ: Yes, because when you say -- it's like 100 square feet per unit.
>>> Per unit.
>> When you it sound like a lot but it really not that much when it's just for the units itself.
>>> Well, in our opinion, on these urban projects, 250 square feet is a lot.
You know, when you get into an urban area, people tend to be more interested in hardscapes, and in streetscapes, and so when you get into an urban area normally what we end up with is a wide ten-foot sidewalk, for example, with trees, and tree wells.
And so that's normally what we end up with.
And then any landscape areas that we do are normally internal to the project.
We have a unique situation here, in that we have a little bit more land than we usually do in urban project, and we are not trying to get a high-rise.
If we came in to do a high-rise on a project then we would have lots of land but we would have a very tall structure.
And what we tried to do, we don't think that's within the character of the neighborhood.
What we are trying to do is create building that has a rhythm like you have when you go down Howard Avenue.
And you see buildings that have been built over time.
And I think you see that throughout Hyde Park, even though we are not in the Hyde Park architectural review district, I think we want to try and mimic a lot of the architecture we see in Hyde Park to try to move that architecture out of the district, and in some of the areas where it currently is not located.
This is our elevation along Swann.
And what we have done along Swann is we do have some green space areas there.
We don't have retail along Swann.
We have got -- each of these is a private entry into the ground floor unit with the exception of -- this one actually is a common area of entry and there's another common area of exit out here.
What we try to do is have points on the project where our residents can come down and exit out onto the street.
For us, everything in these projects is about what's going on in the neighborhood, how do you interact with the neighborhood, how do you interact with the street?
And so by having these private stoops here, we create a front door for somebody's residence, and then they can use it in and out.
>>MARY ALVAREZ: So your front door, you said, is on Swann and Howard?
>>> No, the front door for several of the apartments is on -- let me just show you on a site plan here.
There are several entrances to the project.
There's one here on Howard Avenue.
It has a visitor entry and an elevator that goes up into the building.
There is an entry in the garage that allows you to get into the first floor of the building and up into the building for residents.
Then there are exit points that residents only can use.
And then each of these units along Swann will have their own private entries.
And so we'll have sidewalks here, and walk up to these entries to enter their units, or try to create more of a residential feel on the Swann side, just because I could have come in and tried to max out the retail on this site.
But then I would have created some really significant traffic problems.
So in trying to balance off retail versus residential, I wanted to develop something that gave us enough retail to try to protect the retail character along the Howard Avenue.
Because retail is disappearing along Howard, and I think it's important to maintain those retail -- that retail feel because it creates excitement.
But I wanted to also build a project that would be cognizant of the traffic problems in the area and have more residential because I think residential is really good for the area.
I think once residents are actually living there, and these are condominiums, so they will all be for sale, I think once residents are living there, they are going to interact with that retail and it's going to be a real interesting addition to the district.
>>MARY ALVAREZ: Your retail is going to be on Howard Avenue.
Is it going to be like a restaurant or something where they have sidewalk cafes and stuff?
>>> Well, we haven't gotten that far in the process where we have -- we have tenants or people who are interested in spaces.
So right now, it would be just generically zoned as retail.
So we do have an opportunity here.
This is a colonnade.
So these retail storefronts are actually set back from the street.
So you have got ten feet to the building and then another probably eight feet to the retail storefront so you have a colonnade where people can walk undercover if it's raining and whatnot.
And that would provide an opportunity, if our uses were such that we could handle parkingwise for maybe a nice cafe or some use that would be more interesting on the street level.
>>GWEN MILLER: Are there other questions by council members?
Is there anyone in the public that would like to be speak on item number 12?
Let's see if anyone has to speak.
We may not have to go that far.
Anyone in the public to speak on item 12?
>>JOHN DINGFELDER: There's people here.
>>GWEN MILLER: They are not moving.
Okay. Nobody moved.
That's okay.
Just a few minutes.
>>> Should I respond to comments?
>>JOHN DINGFELDER: Why don't you hold it for rebuttal?
I'm sure ten minutes on rebuttal is enough.
>>ROSE FERLITA: Sit down, Karen, we changed our mind.
>>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Mr. Mechanik, could you take the easel?
>>GWEN MILLER: Leave your -- read the names off.
>>> Linda Holmerton.
Karen Crawford, 1406 South Moody Avenue, and I have been sworn.
And someone needs to take to the Soho design guidelines so it looks like I'm it.
In 1997 I worked with the Planning Commission in the city, merchants, neighborhood associations, in order to develop and implement the Soho overlay district. This plan was presented and approved by council in May of this year.
In May 25, 1997 the Tribune article stated without a set of recalls to control development the blossoming strip of South Howard Avenue from Bayshore to Kennedy could turn nasty.
And I'm here to tell dah we have almost reached nasty.
It was stated in the article that site plans would have to give locations, height, vehicle patterns, parking, show lighting design and landscaping.
Enforcement or administration of the Soho overlay guidelines needs attention.
It should be addressed prayer to us getting to this hearing.
In January 1st, a Tribune article read that South Howard merchants and nearby residents, city improvements to the trending shopping district.
Plans include surfacing, crosswalk, more sidewalks, decorative streetlights and the creation of a park Howard and DeSoto avenues.
Eight years later most of the promises made to the area have never been fulfilled. The merchants did pay for the installation of their lights.
However, the city allocated $1.4 million to mitigate parking issues that did not follow through.
The crosswalks that were installed failed due to improper installation or never done. The sidewalks were never completed.
And the trees and landscaping are in poor condition, and the Bern's park project is limping along.
Impact fees and property taxes paid by all the development as long Howard Avenue never seem to make their way to the area that's being impacted by the growth and density increases.
We are also concerned about the negative impact of the transportation concurrency exception area.
We all know that Howard and parts of Swann are at an "F" level of service.
TCEA has a practical effect of excusing the traffic issue impacts of new development.
The mitigation that TCEA requires is becoming rather impossible with the narrow streets and lack of available land for parking, lane widening, trolley stops, bike paths, et cetera.
We need to do away with the transportation concurrency exception area as it does not reflect the current situation of ongoing needs of the city.
The neighborhoods along the Soho overlay district live in the real world and none of us can continue to ignore the impacts of continuing development on the city's infra structure or neighborhood.
As elected city officials you have several alternatives.
You can stop approving projects that increase the density until the infrastructure catches up.
You can allocate city money as is promised to the areas where the redevelopment is taking place.
Or you can direct the developer to pay for the improvements that are necessary.
We need your help.
Please approve this project only if you can assure us that the promised Soho improvements will be made and the traffic mitigation will be implemented.
And I will be glad to answer any questions about the overlay district, Mr. Dingfelder, if you have any.
>>GWEN MILLER: You knew he had one, didn't you?
>>JOHN DINGFELDER: Not specifically about the overlay but more about this mitigation that you have, that you're suggesting.
I mean, both streets are about as wide as they can get so that's not the mitigation you're talking about.
What do you have in mind?
>>> I don't know.
That's the problem.
I mean, the transportation impact thing says when basically just don't have -- we can keep developing on these F streets, and otherwise, we mitigate it and we are running out of ways to mitigate it.
I mean, could you add another level to the parking garage, I guess.
You can't widen the street.
We are looking to you for guidance.
>> Also, you heard my suggestion to the developer before about a pocket park, perhaps, on the Swann side, where they are not putting retail.
Have you noticed a lack of green space as these projects are filling in on Howard and Swann?
>>> Well, I mean, basically, other than Bern's park, which we need to get developed.
I did get the developer the 403 C form to make a donation to the foundation, and that would certainly help continue to enhance their green space, which residents on the way to the Bayshore can stop and enjoy that park.
We know we have parking behind Kash N' Karry.
I know there's been some talk of developing that park further.
But there's not really any other green space that I'm aware of between Bayshore and Kennedy.
>> And your group is advocating extending the trolley, the rubber wheel trolley from Hyde Park village and coming all the way down to Howard, and turning on Howard.
This developer mentioned the possibility of contributing to that.
But with sort of in a very loose way.
>>> Well, he did on their Harbor Island project, did help fund the trolley loop to go to Harbor Island, and we have discussed that with him, because if we are truly in an urban environment, which this is what we're doing, we are going to have to have some public transportation if people want to ride.
We are also going to have to have a place for that trolley to stop.
So we have got to put some kind of trolley stop either around Bern's park, or as part of this project, or somewhere, because we can't just jump on it as it's driving by.
Of course the traffic is moving so slow on Howard now and stopped so much we probably could just jump on it in the middle of the street.
But I don't think -- Melanie or somebody might have a problem with that.
But jumping on the trolley in the middle of the street.
>>SHAWN HARRISON: How far away is this project from the -- maybe you can't answer this -- but remember about a year ago, Mr. Michelini's client came in and they were going to build the garage with the box that moved the cars?
>>JOHN DINGFELDER: That was by Publix.
>>ROSE FERLITA: Shawn, that was by me.
>>SHAWN HARRISON: I'm kind of intrigued by Mr. Dingfelder's idea about a pocket park.
But I'm looking at the site and don't see a whole lot of green on here already.
And I don't know that we can necessarily go back to the developer and say, you know, carve out a section for that.
But with the things that are potentially available, down here at the ball diamonds and Bern's park, I think that would be something that you all could consider for your green space mitigation.
This is a perfect example of why I think we need a parks and recreation impact fee city-wide.
That doesn't get anywhere. We'll leave that for a different day.
>>MARY ALVAREZ: Different council.
>>SHAWN HARRISON: For transportation, we are not living in the real world if we are saying that this area ought to be in the transportation concurrency exemption area.
That might have been a good idea 20 years ago and it's not reality any more.
We ought to take a look at reviewing that.
That may be the thing we do to try to lessen the transportation impacts, we real focus on that trolley stop there.
We really focus on getting serious about some public transit.
And in some of these areas.
If we can't wide ten roads we ought to at least figure out a way to get a trolley stop in there and help fund the thing.
I mean, heartily doesn't -- Hartline doesn't have any money.
City doesn't have any money for this thing.
That would be a perfect way for the developer to use some of those transportation impacts.
>>> And we should be able to wide ten sidewalk so we can get from point A to point B.
>>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I have a question.
When you go down this part of Howard, are there currently any benches, or trash receptacles?
>>> There are a few benches.
>> Wouldn't that be a helpful thing?
>>> It would be.
I can think of a concrete one across from Bern's mark. The problem is they kind of sit on the sidewalk.
The new building on the corner did put one of the wrought iron benches on the property.
But they didn't do other things but that's a whole other issue.
It's not very pedestrian friendly when your sidewalks are very narrow.
And when there are gaps in it.
And we did talk at one time about even using brick to make the sidewalks wider.
We couldn't really pour wider sidewalks due to the trees, and that narrow landscape space between the sidewalk and the curb that we could fill it in the brick would make it appear wider.
You know, around Morrison where they landscaped and put which makes it of the much more pedestrian friendly, that there's landscaping around it.
Those kind of things all need to be done and were part of the Soho overlay guidelines.
Took eight years to implement.
>>GWEN MILLER: Would anyone else like to speak?
>>> You guys can't come around over there.
And thank you.
My name is Vicki Pollyea, I have been sworn in.
I live on South Moody Avenue, Bayshore Gardens Association.
We went to the Planning Commission.
We came to you for the planned amendment, because you know how important this is for our neighborhood.
Now is the time to get to the nitty gritty of the PD.
That's what is going to make this work or not work for all of our neighborhoods.
All of the neighborhoods.
And if you can see there's presidents of most of the neighborhood association here this evening.
When we first saw the renderings of the project, we got like you did, Ms. Saul-Sena, it's a big project.
But it can work.
If we look at the details.
And if we ask the developer.
On Post Properties they have been a very good neighbor.
They worked with us.
They made a lot of changes per our suggestion.
But I think we are really at risk of losing our charm of small shops, and long-time restaurateurs are leaving Howard Avenue because transportation, lack of parking, and the escalating costs of doing business in Soho.
It is the residential areas in the it restaurants and shops that makes the area so desirable for everyone.
For this project to be a successful, we need for you to require a lot.
And I know they have agreed to many costly things already.
But the sidewalk is ten feet wide.
They are extending the turn lane onto Swann from Howard Avenue to help traffic would stack up a little bit.
But there are more things that we would like to see addressed.
The parking garage at the end of Inman, we understand that the first floor is going to be open for the retail use.
We are not really sure if they are going to be charging to park there.
If that is also where they are going to be offsetting their visible parking, that's not really clear in the discussions.
It really doesn't seem like enough park land.
It's great that they are doing it but we need more.
And another floor of parking, they could charge for it.
People will pay to park there.
We need to clarify where the public guest parking spaces are.
For 248 units you need guest parking and I'm not sure where that is.
I'm very concerned about the conflict between the in and out of Kash N' Karry.
I'm being specific but this is what we have to talk about.
The in and out Kash N' Karry and the in and out of the parking garage.
They are 50 feet apart.
And I don't see how those are going to interact together.
And I don't feel like it's been addressed satisfactorily.
I know that they are making improvements with the lights that will monitor the traffic on Howard Avenue.
But something has to be done about Howard and Swann.
Northbound Howard Avenue always stops.
And you get blocked up for three blocks.
Southbound never does.
Nobody can explain that to me.
Nobody can explain to me why you have to get stopped at Howard and Swann, and then get stopped again at Swann and Armenia.
We need to get traffic flowing, and you need to ask -- you're the bosses.
Tell someone to do it, please.
The trolley, it's great.
Let's have the spot on the site plan now and not wait.
I really think a great way to offset the green space would be a big contribution to Bern's park.
And the other thing that I'm very concerned about is the pedestrian crossing of Inman and Howard Avenue.
I know that typically they don't like crosswalks, but you already have cars pulling in and out at 717 Starbuck's and whiskeys, now that configuration.
This is only going to make it worse.
We need to figure out a way for safely for pedestrians to cross there, and for cars to get in and out.
(Bell sounds)
I understand the property in the corridor is going to be developed but we really have to pay attention to these details.
>>GWEN MILLER: Thank you.
Anyone else like to speak?
If you want to speak, please come up.
>>JOHN DINGFELDER: Maybe you can have one person on deck so we can go faster.
>>> Council, I haven't filled out the time sheet but I have someone in the audience who would give me time.
Can we fill the time sheet out?
>>GWEN MILLER: You have to fill it out.
>>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Why don't you have somebody else go up while you are getting it?
>>> Yes, that would be fine.
>>> Good evening.
Kelly McGary, 505 south Melville Avenue.
I have been sworn.
I am interim president of the Courier City Oscawana homeowners association.
I want to say though I am not representing association tonight because I think the newness of our organization and probably various other factors, we were not involved at all in discussions on this project.
By no fault, I would say, of the developer, I would imagine.
The border of our association is Swann Avenue.
So this is right, you know, this is where the project -- part of the project is.
So I think that we have some interest from speaking with the other presidents.
I feel some comfort that the developer is willing to work with the neighborhood.
And I have some comfort that that could even happen after a PD is potentially granted.
But I have some specific concerns.
And particularly for our neighborhood.
So I'll try to represent what I would imagine our neighborhood concerns would be if they have the opportunity to see this rendering, if they had the opportunity to see the site plan.
First I have to say, I don't know what perspective that rendering is coming from, because there's a whole lot of green space.
It was just a little bit odd to me, though it looks beautiful, I thought.
I think the traffic is a problem.
This is going to generate traffic in our neighborhood.
I had the opportunity to look at the traffic study.
I was shocked at the comprehensive plan change that occurred a couple of weeks ago that they said that peak trips, or the trips wouldn't change with this new use.
And when I looked at the plan, it's true that they stayed in this analysis.
It's very detailed and engineery, the peak trips hour which are essentially commuting hours, they appear to be the new use which is still shocking to me.
But I think it's important to note that total trips are about 20% more.
So essentially the car is in 24 hours going in and out.
There is a larger impact and I do think it's important that you know that.
I think this is an opportunity, though, to bridge kind of the Historic Hyde Park retail that's and the Soho retail that has an opportunity to be well done.
It's kind of a no-man's land between there.
I hope the developer will consider put something nice retail on Swann, to help bridge that gap.
So you have this retail going around the corner and you're starting to make your way to the village.
I mean, we need people to move back and forth.
That village should be thriving more than it is.
And I think a development like this can help move it towards that.
I think that it would be great to have some crosswalks kind of going along Swann.
We try to get across Swann and Howard from our neighborhood, or all the way down at Rome.
We have children. It's dangerous.
I know that there are some safety concerns with putting crosswalks in mid block.
But there's a culture shift that can happen.
I have been in California for four years in asterisk.
You put your foot in a crosswalk mid-block, and people slam on their brakes, which perhaps is a safety concern, but my concern is county work.
Yes you have to look both ways but it still makes it more pedestrian friendly.
I ask City Council to consider something like that.
Green space, it's certainly a problem.
Perhaps there are -- they can accommodate some of their requirement.
At the park that's between the Soho and Hyde Park.
I don't know if they can some way make that more pedestrian friendly.
And I think that's really all I have to say at the moment.
Green space is a big concern, though.
Our ability to get across the street is a concern.
And I think that there's going to be a problem with cut-through traffic through Courier City, which maybe is unavoidable at this point with development.
But just something to consider.
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>>JOHN DINGFELDER: The crosswalk you were talking about, possibly Albany?
>>> Yes, potentially.
And you will have traffic slowing obviously towards Swann.
>>> My name is Paula Mackley.
I have not been sworn in.
I live at 2715 west Jetton Avenue, in new suburb.
(Oath administered by Clerk)
I'm here for a little bit different reason.
I have children that that go to the schools that this project will impact.
And I know maybe the schools aren't a top priority in this room but when you have schools that are very overcrowded and you have the density, and I understand that development is going to happen, but we also have to take a look at the impact that it's having on our schools.
In these areas.
The three -- two feeders schools, the three feeder schools that feed over into plant are all at capacity currently.
And we really are going to rely on the City Council for density.
In these areas.
Because as you well know, and it's very well publicized in the paper, the school district doesn't have the money either to build additional schools, nor do they have the land in South Tampa to build additional schools.
The elementary school, Mitchell elementary is currently under a big renovation to add additional classrooms to that.
But we also are sitting on 2.5 acres and that's all we have.
It's not going anywhere else.
So there is a concern from parents about issues that we have with the school district, and density in these areas.
And so I just want hopefully you guys would take into consideration density for the school sake.
I don't know where we are going to go and what we are going to do with all of the things in Courier City, all the multifamilys, single-family homes being torn down and the multifamily homes being built.
We are going to be hanging kids from the rafters.
We really are going to be in trouble if we don't watch what we are doing with density in the school district.
>> Do you know if the kids who go to gory Wilson to plant?
>>> They would be Mitchell, Wilson, plant.
>> And are all those three schools at capacity now?
>>> Currently, yes.
>>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Thank you.
>>SHAWN HARRISON: Thank you.
They will have to pay school impact fees, by the way.
>>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Oh, $125 worth.
>>MARTIN SHELBY: Two names.
Janell, and Wilson.
>>SHAWN HARRISON: Five minutes.
>>> Roger Grunke. I come as an architect and this evening as a spokesperson for the Historic Hyde Park neighborhood association.
It's very interesting that three different neighborhood associations have analyzed the project and independently we have come up with similar ideas, concerns, and compatible thoughts.
Let's take a moment here and just think about urbanism.
What it is that makes urbanism.
We need a critical mass of commercial space in that area.
And we need to be able to walk comfortably and safely, continuously through it.
How do you that is snot a mystery.
If anything, the space, the commercial fantasy cannot be broken.
When you start out at the urban body shop and go to Capellis, you need to be able to cross the street easily, not walk down to the corner and wait for a traffic light.
When you get across the street, you need to be able to flow right through this project.
If anything, this project needs, it needs more commercial space on the ground floor.
Namely, along Swann Avenue.
You need to be able to walk from Swann, then cross over to the other shops.
Across the street.
I don't think -- I mean, this is just speculation.
But I don't think with the land prices being what they are, Kash N' Karry will remain as it is.
So what we want is this project to link to interact with the surrounding built projects, and with thinking ahead, possible new projects.
Again, now, urbanism.
We have to park down the street, the baseball park.
We have Bern's park.
We don't need really parks.
We need public spaces, in the European sense.
They have a marvelous courtyard in this project, as Mr. Dingfelder pointed out.
If that were opened up, and this is just a suggestion, if that were opened up, and shops were to line the interior of this, you would have something like you have in Palm Beach with and you would have a continuous flow of shoppers and strollers, moving across this area.
And as somebody else had pointed out, I think Kelly pointed out, this could possibly help revive Hyde Park village if we get this critical mass.
Now, what else do we need?
I had discussion this week with Troy, whether Whaley of Whaley's Grocery, and Scott Troy last week.
All of them would support an effective transportation -- I'm saying financially support a -- northbound favor of it, a financial -- excuse me, an effective transportation system on the Avenue.
Their concerns is that their labor pool is being moved out of the area as the area -- many of these people cannot afford automobiles, or to maintain them.
Also some of the land owners, and entrepreneurs there, don't particularly want to have to provide a parking space for each one of their waiters, because the land is so valuable.
So it's all pointing to transportation.
Now, this is a great opportunity.
And I had a marvelous conversation with Anthony this morning.
It was very kind of him to invite all of the different neighborhoods to review this project.
If we can just somehow solidify this.
And you're the experts on that.
But there needs to be equitable, financial support up and down the avenue, at some transportation system, number one, and, number two, we need to continue this marvelous dialogue between the neighborhoods and the developer.
This may be a developer who could be held up on a pedestal as the kind of interaction that the neighborhoods want with the developer.
Having said that, we -- (bell rings) cautiously the Historic Hyde Park neighborhood association cautiously supports this project.
>>GWEN MILLER: Thank you.
Anyone else like to speak?
>>LINDA SAUL-SENA: While the petitioner is coming up, it seems like there have been some opportunities suggested by the neighborhood for ways, for things that could be added to this PD, and I hope that in your rebuttal all dress some.
>>DAVID MECHANIK: To the extent we can.
Some of these are design issues that I don't think we can react to on the spot.
Putting retail along Swann.
I don't know that we can instantly react to that kind of thing.
>>> We committed on the record to have a trolley stop.
That's something we are going to do.
>>DAVID MECHANIK: We can draw that on the drawing tonight if that's something the council wants to --.
>>JOHN DINGFELDER: I don't think the drawing --.
>>DAVID MECHANIK: I understand.
>>> We are very concerned about the risk of building additional retail in the area.
We feel the ground floor stoops we are trying to, do we are going to create some significant interaction with the street.
We will be willing to do a contribution to the Bern's park as mitigation for the greenscaping.
That's a wonderful, wonderful cause and I think that would be wonderful to do.
We had questions about the parking issues, and whether the parking is open, and normally what we do is there will be a lot of first hour, hour and a half three in the open parking area of the garage, and we require the residents to have stickers on their vehicles so that they cannot park in that area and then guests who are visiting the residents actually park on the upper levels of the garage and they use a call box to get in the upper levels of the garage.
So if somebody is coming to visit a resident they will have to pay if they are there longer than an hour.
>> How many spaces there are?
>>> We have a parking ratio of 1-7-7.
Normally we have a parking raceoff 1-6.
So 1.6 per unit.
And so I believe we have adequate parking.
I don't know how many exact -- we want to do assigned parking, so we would end up with, I believe --
>> Are they two bedroom units?
>>> It's a mix of one, two and threes.
So we have one and a half spaces per one bedroom, one and a half spaces for two bedroom and three spaces -- I'm sorry, two spaces for three bedroom.
So, you know, we are basically at code in upper levels of the deck and we have 22 more spaces than code on the ground level of the deck.
One other thing I wanted to mention about creating an open space, opening of the courtyard.
We found in these communities across the country that residential and commercial are not always that compatible.
And when people are living above commercial, there are problems that happen.
And these people like had their own private spaces, they lake to have a pool area that they can, you know, return to, and so these interior courtyards become very precious for our residents.
And so we try to create on the outside of our buildings, the streetscapes, with benches, and areas for people to sit and stroll.
But normally on the insides of the projects we try to preserve area for the residents so they feel like they have somewhere that they can retreat to. One of the things we didn't talk about was traffic mitigation.
And as part of our traffic mitigation, we are widening Howard in front of our project.
That's taking into some of the green space, and Steve had been able to speak to mitigation before, you would have seen that we are widening that lane so that some of that through traffic going north on Howard can get by there.
>>JOHN DINGFELDER: You know what I don't understand about that.
If you are widening there, but then the SDI, MRI facility that's on the corner, is getting narrower.
>>DAVID MECHANIK: It's a jog.
There's already a jog.
You have to put the site plan here.
The lane comes down right here and ends right here.
And so what we committed to do in our PD is to dedicate land to the city, and the extension of this lane, you didn't hear about that.
So --.
>>JOHN DINGFELDER: I saw it on the site plan but I didn't know how it worked with the SDI.
>>DAVID MECHANIK: It's already wider so we would be widening it further.
Which allows more through-traffic toward the north.
I think it would be helpful if we hear from Mr. Henry, because there were a number of ideas tossed around by --.
>>JOHN DINGFELDER: How about the trolley mitigation?
>>> My client is willing to participate in that.
But it's a question of there are no costs, because there is no specific proposal for extending the trolley into Howard Avenue.
>>JOHN DINGFELDER: If you can go have discussion was Hartline --.
>>DAVID MECHANIK: We could but you can't agree to an amount that you have no idea what that is.
>> But you had this plan brewing for months.
You could have gone and talked to them.
You can still go talk to them in the interim.
>>DAVID MECHANIK: What I'm telling you, and I know because I have been involved in discussions with the trolley, is there is no proposal or cost estimates for running the trolley, so there's no way to determine what a proportionate shared cost would be for the --.
>>JOHN DINGFELDER: It's not true because when they originally laid out the trolley and laid it out as one of the possibilities to come down and circle around the block that you're building on, that was one of the options.
So what's her name, Tony, I believe, even tossed that loop out so it's something you could look at.
>>SHAWN HARRISON: I was going to suggest leave that question open for second reading and maybe we can get that resolved by the time it comes back, if some cost of reasonable value, give them a try and talk about it on second reading.
>>ROSE FERLITA: Talking about the actual trolley stop?
>>LINDA SAUL-SENA: No, no, the Street stop.
>>ROSE FERLITA: Didn't the petitioner already say he would do that?
>>GWEN MILLER: Yeah, did he.
>>JOHN DINGFELDER: He said caption, but obviously we need to firm that up a little bit.
>>GWEN MILLER: But petitioner is already going to put the trolley stop.
>>JOHN DINGFELDER: It's actually contributing to get it down there because a lot of the entities along the rubber route are contributing.
>>CHAIRMAN: They haven't started contributing yet, have they?
>>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Yes, they have.
>>JOHN DINGFELDER: Bayshore one is contributing.
>>GWEN MILLER: It stops there, though.
>>JOHN DINGFELDER: And it will stop there.
>>ROSE FERLITA: Why don't you come up for a minute?
Can you get a determination what it costs, what it contributed and in addition to that the accommodation of the stop if in fact it goes all right.
>>> Absolutely.
>>ROSE FERLITA: Without holding you to a particular figure.
That way to figure out --.
>>DAVID MECHANIK: If I could, let me make one last crack at trying to answer the question, which I don't think I did correctly.
The problem is not -- we can easily cost out a particular route if you could define that route.
You don't know whether 100 people will agree to participate so we have no way of defining a maximum level of participation on his part.
And I'm hoping you're not asking that he would just agree to a undefined --.
>>JOHN DINGFELDER: I think it might be possible because it's only coming down an extra quarter mile from Hyde Park village looping around the block and going back out.
It's an extra five minutes on their trip.
So it's possible.
Don't rule it out until you ask the question.
>>DAVID MECHANIK: I understand.
We will try.
If we could at this point I would like Mr. Henry to speak to mitigation.
>>> Steve Henry, links and associate.
Very quickly to go over mitigation.
>>JOHN DINGFELDER: Reduced trips?
>>> I'll address that in you would like me to.
This draft here, as you know, on the property today, there are offices, retail, restaurant.
What this graphic shows is based on the trip generation rates, the uses are in green, the proposed are in blue.
During a.m. peak hours, proposed, about 125.
In the p.m. 194 existing, 168 proposed.
So there is a reduction in the peak hour trips.
You have got, you know, very dense office project that is there.
We have actually the reality is you have retail there and office.
So from that standpoint, it would be a reduction over what this project would generate.
From that standpoint.
But even with that, the developer is committed to do a number of improvements to help the traffic in the area.
One is working with the city -- and part of the problem you heard is sometimes you see the traffic backing up on web Howard, not southbound.
Part of the problem is the traffic department doesn't have the capability of monitoring traffic as close as they should.
And so one of the things that we are doing is we are willing to work with the city to put up a traffic camera there and that will allow them to see the traffic downtown and be able to adjust the timing according to whether it's peak hour or off peak hour allows them --.
>>JOHN DINGFELDER: Pay for the camera?
>>> Yes.
There's already a developer who is committed to providing $20,000.
Already committed a letter of credit.
We are working.
We will pay the additional amount, design it, we are going to construct it, we are going to do the foundations, the city will use the other fund to actually provide the camera and the pole to do it.
>>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I just have to say, I think that camera -- I would rather see that money spent on crosswalks and on wheel practical things, on wider sidewalks.
What good is a camera going to do?
It's going to tell that you this intersection is completely dysfunctional.
>>> What it will do -- what it will do, it will help considerably, because the problem is --
>> What will it do?
>>> What it will do, the people at downtown, that set the timing for the signal, will be able to look at it and say, if we add 20 seconds to the northbound, guess what, it works a lot better, we don't need as much on the eastbound approach.
That's really the issue is timing at this intersection.
And how you allocate that time to where it's needed to be.
And I can tell you that that will help tremendously with the operation of the signal.
And operation of the intersection.
But in addition to that, developer is committing to rebuild all the crosswalks at this intersection.
We are going to put in the brick sidewalks for crosswalks, just as you -- we are going to do that.
In addition extend the northbound turn lane back to Inman.
In addition to that provide the city with $20,000 to transportation department for additional off-site mitigation that may be necessary along Howard Avenue, or Swann.
So we are doing a number of things.
And again also, providing the trolley stop.
So there are a number of things to help mitigate the traffic impact.
>> When you say trolley stop, do you really mean a stop like a bench?
A shelter?
You really mean that?
>>> Well, during our permitting process normally we have comment by Hartline.
And so Hartline normally works with us to try to position a stop that works from an engineer standpoint and we are committing in this PD if Hartline wants a stop and we can properly engineer it on-site which we will do if they want a stop, then we will commit to pay for the, put the budge there, put the enclosure during inclement weather and use the same standard we did on Harbor Island.
I think that's really important and I'm happy to hear that, and I think benches and receptacles which may look nice are really important component of this whole Soho overlay guideline, which is to create a pedestrian friendly environment.
And the reason I wanted to see her picture to see if there was shade.
You are creating an area where people can be -- I just do not at all believe that when you build 248 residential units, it's going to generate less traffic than Heidt & Associates.
>> It's a combination of what is there.
>>GWEN MILLER: Mr. Dingfelder.
>>JOHN DINGFELDER: I still have concern about the groan space issue.
And I know we might disagree on this.
The Bayshore Gardens folks want to see Bern's park finished which is commendable and laudable but that Bern's park is quite a ways from this intersection.
Now, we do have, as Mr. Harrison pointed out, we do have the ball fields down there, that I think the ball fields, it's just kind of a nasty area.
There's some opportunities in that little park for improvement.
I know Kelly's area would benefit from Courier City.
Other than that they don't have any parking.
>>> Our residents across the street by the Crosstown would enjoy to see that area improved.
So that would be more than acceptable way for us to mediate.
>>JOHN DINGFELDER: I don't know if there's a playground in that park, is there?
And obviously we are going to have more children -- your apartments clearly we have had some small children, your Post apartments existing right there probably have some children.
Ladies, take a wild guess on how much this total project will be built for.
This project.
This is a $100 million project.
>>LINDA SAUL-SENA: And 24,000 square feet of green space that isn't going to exist.
If you could put a dollar figure to that and then figure out what a contribution to the park would be, it could be a nice park.
>>JOHN DINGFELDER: If you don't want to do a private park, don't want to --.
>>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Invest in the existing park.
>>> What kind of contribution do we think would be?
>>MARTIN SHELBY: I would caution against that.
>>> I'm trying to get a number.
>>JOHN DINGFELDER: They are asking for a number for green space.
24,000 square foot, one half acre reduction of green space, Mr. Shelby.
And I hear what you're saying. But if there's a direct message to green space, they are not going to provide it to the public on-site, then they should provide it off-site.
It's a PD.
And that's a reasonable mitigation.
>>MARTIN SHELBY: And I understand that.
My concern -- and I don't have a question about that.
My concern is the petitioner asking for something from the elected body.
>>LINDA SAUL-SENA: He asked for waiver.
>>MARTIN SHELBY: But he's asking for a dollar amount.
>>JOHN DINGFELDER: Why don't you suggest something and we'll see?
>>MARTIN SHELBY: Work with staff and have professionals put a value on this.
>>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Let's have a two week continuance and allow a lot of this perk.
I think we are really, really close.
You all do good work.
The neighbors have been very expressive.
And other than building an elementary school for them which they really need --.
>>MARY ALVAREZ: Why don't you ask them for that?
>>LINDA SAUL-SENA: No, I'm not.
But we'll give the petition with a two-week continuance to percolate on this.
I move that we --
>>> propose a $50,000 improvement to the park?
>>JOHN DINGFELDER: Talk to staff, see what's reasonable, talk to park staff who is not here.
Talk to Hartline.
Continue to talk to the neighbors about some of the issues they have addressed tonight.
And come back in two weeks.
>>MARTIN SHELBY: Just a --.
>>MARY ALVAREZ: Are we holding them hostage or something?
That's only 100 square foot per -- they are giving enhancements.
>>MARTIN SHELBY: I guess my first question is whether the petitioner very well any objection to a continuance.
That would be appropriate.
>>MARTIN SHELBY: In that case, it's acceptable to petitioner.
The second thing is, the other issue that we have to talk about is the next night meeting.
>>LINDA SAUL-SENA: It could be a day meeting.
Yes, yes, yes.
>>SHAWN HARRISON: I am not wild about a continuance.
But if you all think that that's the -- that that's the best way to do we could do it for two weeks.
Just to talk very briefly about the value of this.
If you talked to our Parks and Recreation Department and get some ideas for what, you know, you can buy these swing set type things, you know, that kids get up and they play on, and they range anywhere from 20,000 to $100,000 depending on how entry cat they are.
I think there's some real possibilities of doing something like that at the ball field right there and make that more than just a ball field make that more of a multi-use park.
And your folks across the street at the apartments would greatly benefit from that.
So that would be money well spent on your park.
I would guess.
Just wanted to throw that.
>>GWEN MILLER: Can you all -- we are not going to have the second reading for two weeks.
>>LINDA SAUL-SENA: No, these are things that have to be noted on the site plan.
>>GWEN MILLER: It's going to be noted.
>>MARTIN SHELBY: A graphical change cannot take place between the first and second reading.
>>CATHERINE COYLE: The negotiation of whatever numbers are going to come out of this, we don't know what they are.
>>MORRIS MASSEY: A number of issues are up in the air.
>>DAVID MECHANIK: We are not disputing the need for a two-week continuance because there are some details we need to work out with the staff, as well as with other groups.
>>JOHN DINGFELDER: Also, if you talk to transportation staff about the possibility of a crosswalk at Albany.
>>LINDA SAUL-SENA: My motion would be to continue this till October 6th at 10:30.
>>ROSE FERLITA: I'm just wondering at this point.
Vicki, does the neighborhood have any objection to a morning time?
No, okay.
>>JOHN DINGFELDER: Let's do that.
>>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Do we need to waive the rules to continue to the a day meeting?
>>MARTIN SHELBY: (off microphone)
>>LINDA SAUL-SENA: October 6th at 10:30.
>> Second.
(Motion carried)
>>JOHN DINGFELDER: October 6th, 10:30.
>>MARTIN SHELBY: Did I hear --.
>>GWEN MILLER: We carried the motion.
>> Move to open number 13.
(Motion carried)
>>MARY ALVAREZ: Anybody want to take a bet on what time we are going to leave here tonight?
>>GWEN MILLER: I was going to say 9:30.
>> Are we ready for 13?
Go ahead.
Marty Boyle: Z 05-126.
You see on the Elmo -- it's located -- it is south of Kennedy.
The location map in the area,
(off microphone)
The proposed rezoning is going from RM-24 to a planned development.
The waivers that are requested are a reduced amount of green space area from 750 per dwelling unit to 607 square feet per dwelling unit which is a total of 143 square feet per dwelling unit to be waived.
Per unit, I'm sorry.
And there's a total 1715 square feet waived for the total site.
The next waiver is to reduce the required enclosed parking spaces from two spaces to one with one open tandem space.
The petitioner proposes to rezone the property at 211, 212 and 213 south Moody Avenue.
For the construction of 12 single-family attached dwelling units.
The two-story units will have garages and some living space on ground floor with additional living space above.
The buildings on-site --.
>>JOHN DINGFELDER: I'm sorry, there are site plans coming down?
>>GWEN MILLER: We have them.
We have them.
>>> They are single pages.
One of the reasons for objections we noted it does not contain a protective radius around the oak tree situated between two buildings.
We have gotten notification from Dave Riley of parks and rec that the petitioner has satisfied that radii that is protecting the tree, and did that with a note on the site plan.
The site plan is proposed removes existing housing and changes the character of the immediate neighborhood.
The architectural style of the townhouses shown is not in keeping with the prey dominant style of the neighborhood.
I believe in your site plan it shows you a small version of the elevation.
This is a picture. Bungalow proposed to be removed.
Sweet bungalow.
That was for your benefit.
>>GWEN MILLER: We don't need any comments.
>>> And the yellow is the other bungalow.
Directly across the street, you have another bungalow.
It is for sale.
This is the other bungalow to be removed.
Directly to the north of that bungalow, the historic building is an apartment complex.
It's another bungalow on that block right down the street.
It's a different view across the street.
This is lag north on moody.
And this is looking south along moody.
If I can go back to the aerial.
One of the reasons for objections is to the north you do see the town homes and do you see apartment complexes to the south.
But if you show, this is kind of a closer-up view of it, these two blocks --.
>>CHAIRMAN: You have got -- you have got to orient us.
Where is Kennedy?
>>> I'm sorry.
Kennedy is to the north.
>>JOHN DINGFELDER: A block and a half off of Kennedy, between Cleveland and Platt?
>>> Between Cleveland and Platt.
Direct correct.
The two blocks east of moody right there, the prey dominant style are the bungalows.
And historic looking apartments.
Going more toward the multifamily but those two blocks seem to be, if you will, lost the last stronghold of some of those bungalows.
One of the reasons that staff is objecting is under the design standards of single family attached design standards.
Talks about auto storage.
And they are asking for the waiver going from two to one with a tandem open space.
The other is dimensional regulations under the design standards of states that the setbacks shall be designed using those prescribed in 7-77.
Flexibility and building height will be around if they are dependable with surrounding neighborhoods.
We noted the proposed development will be consistent with the setbacks and the streetscape.
However, side yard setbacks are not consistent with the immediate neighborhood.
Transportation, comments, are they have reviewed the subject site plan.
And that they object to the backout for the tandem parking spaces behind the garages on the alley.
The code requires a 26-foot backout for tandem parking spaces on the alley.
The alley parking does not meet the standard.
Also, they noted note 15 needs to be removed.
Guest parking needs to be provided on private property, not the public right-of-way.
Under findings of fact, single family attached dwelling units shall be designed and situated so the primary front walls interest to each unit is based on dedicated private or public right-of-way.
Rear walls of the unit shall except when one is attached to the lot. The standard has not been met.
It does however meet the standard on no more than three dwelling units and no more than eight dwelling units shall be constructed in contiguous configuration.
City Council must consider the purpose for site plan control district, and we don't feel like this site plan -- if you look at the purpose of a PD of a site plan controlled district, under the first one, the purpose of the article is to provide -- right now it recognizes allows design flexibility, site plan zoning district is to provide standards of requirement which promote efficient use of infrastructure.
We feel the site would remove existing housing stock.
Also we have an ejection under units not in keeping with the neighborhood.
>>TONY GARCIA: Planning Commission staff.
I have been sworn in.
Several additional comments to add to Ms. Boyle's comments.
Land use categories in the immediate area again, Kennedy to the north, Cleveland, Platt, all your east-west streets.
Armenia Avenue directly to the west.
Predominant land use category nor particular segment, R-35, CMU-35, along Howard.
As you recall, we of course have had quite a bit of activity in the Oscawana, Courier City area, and what we have discussed in prior meetings of this nature is you have wanted to take a little bit more site on look in these areas, so we have, think in past discussions, talked about viewing these areas on a block by block basis looking at the particular segments as they are affected.
Even though you have got just two halves of blocks, I guess what would constitute a block, is R-35.
I think what Ms. Boyle brought up, it is significant the number of units that you still have on this segment even though you do have the R-35 land use category.
And of course what's unique about this particular project is you have eight units on this side and four units on this side.
12 total in essence you will have six driveways that will be created in fairly close proximity along this segment of moody.
And they are not even -- that is a significant departure and character of what you see along this particular area and out of character as it relates to the street.
Also, the proposed request is inconsistent with policy 2-3 of the plan which says the developments must meet or exceed the requirements for land development regulations.
Site plan does have several deficiencies as was pointed out by Ms. Boyle.
Planning Commission staff finds the proposed request inconsistent with the comprehensive plan.
>>GWEN MILLER: Petitioner?
>>> Good evening.
My name is Jim Stetsman, address 3814 Henderson Boulevard, suite 108, Tampa.
I have been sworn.
I'll try to be brief and not be redundant.
But we do have a little different perspective on the character of the area.
This area, really between Howard and Armenia and Cleveland is a mixed area and not a pristine single family attached neighborhood that's been portrayed, in our view, anyway.
Marty did cover this.
But RM-24 is the predominant residential zoning district in this small area.
And that is a fairly intense zoning district that does permit multifamily development. And hen the surrounding PDs are a combination of office, and multifamily residential units.
We do that CG in this location, that's the auto parts store, and there are offices and other professional uses on the north side of that block.
This is an existing -- the top of that, it gives the existing land use map from the Planning Commission's web site.
And there are the three subject lots.
And you can see -- I don't see this as a predominant single family area.
There are some bungalows in these locations, that they are used as multifamily structures.
And then we will -- assuming there are three other single family units.
Actually on the -- on the market.
Again just looking at this map, it does not look like it's predominantly single family neighborhood.
To go over the future land use map,
the R-35 future land use category and the CMU-35 category that is along the major arterial indicates the city intended to have a fairly intense urban area.
This is a shot at the office. This is directly south of the lots on the west side of moody.
Again, sort of that contemporary, almost looks like a ranch style architecture.
And I think you already saw some of these shots.
This is the apartment building north of the eastern block.
And this is the bungalow
This is the structure that's I think two lots north of our lots on the west side.
And you can see they have perpendicular parking on street for these units.
I believe there are two or three units in this structure.
This is the auto parts store.
This is the an abbreviated version of our site plan.
And this is the S actually the units on the east side of moody.
And this, there's a mirror image of the other two lots with the same type of structure.
And these are not townhouses, they are multifamily structures.
Townhouses with the, as you know, a line of units with back yards.
So these are multifamily.
We would have two units facing the street and it would be units facing the -- and we felt that this was characteristic of some of the other projects that have been approved in this part of town.
There was actually a project the next block north on moody that has very similar situation in terms of the green space waivers that we are requesting.
We were actually requesting less of a waiver of the green space per unit than the larger multifamily project in the next block.
And the same waiver for the backout space in the alley is also approved in that rezoning.
>>JOHN DINGFELDER: Are these two bedrooms?
>>> They would be two stories with -- Keith Stanton is here, the architect of the project.
>>JOHN DINGFELDER: I have a little bit of concern.
Single garage, three bedrooms, sounds like you're assured to have two people, two drivers, no guest spaces.
>>> The intent was to have the guest spaces on the street.
This is a rendering of the -- I'm not sure if this is too big for the Elmo or not.
We have revised this based on input from staff and some others in the area.
We would provide a stucco.
These would be the two garages.
And then the entries would be inside.
Would have side entry.
>>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Are these similar to the units near Inkwood?
>>> Well, I don't think they look like them.
>> Well, they do.
I thought that looked familiar.
>>> It's the same architect.
>>> We have had extensive discussion was the neighbors and the homeowners association in the area.
We talked to the previous and the interim president of those associations.
And I think a few of them here to speak.
We also did send a second letter out to the owners on moody.
And did not actually receive any comments back from those folks.
But we feel that this type of unit would provide an alternative to architectural style for the area.
Over the years, I have heard that some folks are tired of just seeing all the Mediterranean type architecture that's prevalent in South Tampa.
So we feel that the project is consistent with the plan, and it would be appropriate in this part of the city.
Happy to answer any questions.
>>GWEN MILLER: Questions by council members?
>>MARY ALVAREZ: Mr. Stetsman, these homes that you're planning to demolish, how old are these homes?
>>> I'm not sure how old they are.
Some of the owners are here and they may want to speak to that.
>>MARY ALVAREZ: What about this white house?
>>> That's not the subject property.
>>JOHN DINGFELDER: It's like a neighboring pro property.
>>MARY ALVAREZ: And this one here?
>>> Yes, that is one of the properties.
>> And you really feel that this modern architectural design is in keeping with the neighborhood?
>>> It's a very mixed area.
There's commercial office, and the apartment building, it's not bungalow style.
It directly north of the eastern-most lot.
>> And it's red brick so it's a little different style.
>>GWEN MILLER: Let us go to the public and see if there's anyone in the public that would like to speak for or against item 13.
>>> Katie, 3635 Azeele and I am sworn in.
I am a third generation Tampanian.
I travel a lot and realize the diversity within cities makes them great places to live and visit.
Similarly the differences between Hyde Park and Soho are what makes Tampa great.
Soho has diversity.
Redevelopment should reflect the spirit from which it is born.
It should reinforce a sense of place and diversity and not crush it by dictating uniformity.
We would essentially eliminate Soho in an effort to make a bigger Hyde Park.
There's no question that a better sense of place and distinct community identity is achieved through a diversity of architecture.
In short, there's a shortage of choice of architectural style.
I heard council speak to this and I share your frustration over the proliferation of the same styles block after block. This project has the Soho spirit.
It offers a highly successful proven alternative to the Mediterranean and bungalow styles. This is our opportunity to define this neighborhood for the quality craftsmanship and unique individual style.
I ask you to recharge Soho with the spirit from which it was born and vote in favor of this tonight.
In response to the things that have been said here tonight, I find it almost ludicrous to insinuate that Soho is a bungalow area.
This is obviously a mixed use area.
We all know that.
This is not a bungalow area.
So I really, where that argument comes from, I'm baffled.
Anybody that drives up and down the street or anywhere in the immediate vicinity is pretty clear on the fact this is not Hyde Park.
So I think that needs to be emphasized here.
>>JOHN DINGFELDER: I appreciate your comment.
I value your comments.
But you have got to do full disclosure here.
>>> Okay.
I represent the development as a real estate broker.
>>JOHN DINGFELDER: Just clear the air.
>>> On some level you think my point are mute.
I'm up here tonight, not for financial gain.
I'm up here because I believe in this type of construction.
And I believe in the need for this in our city.
I have lived all over the world, and I think we are bankrupt architecturally in terms of diversity.
And I beg you guys to think about that.
Because people are sick and tired of traditional bungalows.
>>JOHN DINGFELDER: I think your perspective as a realtor, and you really should have started with that, is in some ways more valuable.
Or equally valuable, just because you know what people are asking for.
>>> Absolutely.
>> Okay.
So I'm not discounting that at all.
And I just think you just need to be straight up.
>>> Okay.
>>ROSE FERLITA: I agree with that.
I think your opinion certainly is just as important as everybody else's.
But that should have been disclosed at first.
I'm sorry that you didn't do that and you should have.
>>GWEN MILLER: Thank you.
Anyone else like to speak?
>>> Kelly McGary, I have been sworn.
I wasn't going to actually get up to speak on this but I want to clarify something.
As most of you know, I think we are in the process of reestablishing the Courier City Oscawana neighborhood association. This street does fall within the boundaries of that neighborhood.
However, when we did our initial informal, not city sponsored kind of flier and I'll call it of the neighborhood to kind of gather people together, we did not include moody in that because we didn't actually do our homework and realize that was part of the association boundaries so we stopped at Howard.
The city is in the process probably today of developing labels and doing their mailer, inviting all property owners October 4th at p.m. and we are very excited about that, at the Kate Jackson center, I think in the teen room.
I think that's what Lori established.
So I just want to be clear that I don't want to comment at all on this, because I don't feel like -- and I don't want you to think that we are quiet on it.
I think it's a shame that bungalows are being torn down but at the same time this is a strange street.
This is my personal perspective, not representing neighborhood association.
It's a really strange street -- in the Soho Madison.
Bungalows, I think people would buy them if they are restored and I think they are beautiful and I think that's a shame but I think at the same time this is a different area from the other side of Howard in some ways, and that's just my personal opinion.
And the petitioner, I'm sorry, I can't recall his name, did he call me, and I explained to him, when I explained to you, and I think that they contacted the neighbors on the streets itself and from what they tell me, they didn't hear anything back.
And I just wanted to be clear on where I personally stood on that.
>>GWEN MILLER: Do you want to say anything else?
Any rebuttal?
>>> No, I don't think so.
>> Move to close.
>> Second.
(Motion carried)
>>> Can Pete say something, the architect?
>>GWEN MILLER: We just closed the public hearing.
>>> Can I ask for your leniency so I can speak?
>>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Move to reopen.
>> Second.
(Motion carried)
>>> Thank you very much.
Keith Stanton, architect.
3109 West Empedrado Street.
Thanks for your administrative overrule.
I just want ton speak briefly on a few points.
The area that we talked about, I was a little kind of baffled too by the city's recommendations about our position with the style.
What you can't see about some of the bungalows that are on that street, and some of the ones that we are taking down, put that on the Elmo, the side of this, some of these bungalows have been added on to an extremely modified and let go, and they are in great need of disrepair beyond what's economically viable to rehabilitate them.
This particular one has been stuccoed over on the front, piled over with modern, contemporary, traditional tile on the front stoop, in great disrepair.
This is one of the ones that's coming down.
Some other notable things about the area, though.
You know, and the style of the area.
We have been in conversation a few different times about this particular area and kind of lack of identifiable style.
This is some of -- all the way from Azeele street to Kennedy, this is the doctor's office of moody and Azeele.
This is another photo of it.
This is a triplex just four lots away.
Just on the south side of Platt Street.
Built in the '60s, I imagine.
Not really congruent.
This is a law office.
It's at the corner of Cleveland and moody, which is just at the end of our block.
More contemporary construction.
Not sure what style you identify that with but it's not a bungalow.
This is a law office at the corner also of moody and Cleveland.
I don't know exactly what style that is either.
It's brick.
Not a bungalow.
And then as Mr. Stetsman mentioned this is adjacent to one of the parcels.
It's also kind of a 60s ranch.
So it's kind of a fragmented area at best.
And what we hoped to do was offer an architectural style, which really seems to be the only source of contention between staff's recommendation, and what else we have going on on the site.
The property, the footprint basically, as Jim mentioned, is very similar to all of the waivers that have been rented to this project one block north in the 102 to 108 south Moody Avenue.
So those waivers are not out of the ordinary.
In fact, the green space requirement or waiver is less than what we have done there.
This is a picture of that project as well.
That might ring a few bells.
There's 16 of those just one block north of us on moody.
We are kind of following and keeping with that particular footprint at least.
And in response to your comment, Mr. Dingfelder, about three bed rams to two bedrooms, parking condition, that's a completely flexible issue.
We can reduce that to two bedrooms and leave to the open space, as a study, which is kind of a typical floor plan for these units.
So that's certainly a flexible point.
This be is the Madison.
You are probably familiar with, a little more contemporary.
And as to what Katie had spoken about, the spirit of Soho.
It's a little different than Hyde Park.
It's not a collection.
A lot of a lot of bungalows.
Mostly those kind of areas are east of Howard.
We are west of Howard here.
I wouldn't propose a project like this east of Howard.
I think that's kind of a more established area.
As talked about in the past it's definitely got a well established character to it, that I would not intrude upon, and I think that this project, though, is definitely a possible alternative in this particular location, and could be a real asset.
Here are some of the kinds of architecture in Soho, 42nd street, bistro, decco style building -- bistro.
Seeing all the changes, and really appreciate what's happening in Soho.
42nd street bistro.
A little retail center which, brick, kind of an interesting combination of some contemporary material.
You will see some newer construction as well.
This is the apex project just south of Madison.
Again, east or west of Howard Avenue, between Howard and Armenia, in that area --.
>>JOHN DINGFELDER: I think we get the point.
>>> That's my bottom line.
That's my point.
So hopefully, along with the technical requirements that I think that we have met and kept with, although there are some significant waivers, not outside of what's already been approved just one block north of us, they are certainly functional, and we'll meet all the technical criteria.
Hopefully I would ask that you consider our proposal and if there's anything that we need to do to modify it perhaps, and come back, we are certainly willing to do that.
Thank you for your time.
>>GWEN MILLER: We have a motion and second to close.
All in favor of the motion say Aye.
Opposed, Nay.
Mr. Dingfelder.
>>JOHN DINGFELDER: I want staff to hear me loud and clear on. This I really appreciate your hard work on. This I really appreciate your comments.
I agree with you a thousand percent.
If the project was on the other side of Howard, if the project was on the other side of Platt.
In this case, that little section of moody that's a block and a half off of Kennedy, that virtually dead-end down at the Soho and Madison, in looking at the aerial, is very close to that atrocious U-Haul storage facility or whatever that thing is.
You know what that one?
Right behind the auto parts store, et cetera, et cetera.
I'm going to respectfully disagree with staff on this one, even though I appreciate your sensitivity.
And I want you to keep up your sensitivity in this area.
But on this particular project, I'm going to go ahead and move to approve, with the waivers.
>> Second.
>>JOHN DINGFELDER: An ordinance rezoning property in the general vicinity of 211, 212, 213 south Moody Avenue in the city of Tampa, Florida more particularly described from zoning classification RM-24 multifamily to PD single family attached providing an effective date.
>>GWEN MILLER: Motion and second.
Question on the motion?
>>SHAWN HARRISON: Madam Chair, I heard a laundry list of objections from not only our staff, but from the Planning Commission.
The first time tonight I think we have had you Nam -- unanimity from both of them on objections and I didn't get into the litany of issues raised by them.
I can't in good faith support the motion.
>>GWEN MILLER: We have a motion and second.
All in favor of the motion say Aye.
Opposed, Nay.
>>THE CLERK: Saul-Sena, Harrison, Alvarez, no?
>>JOHN DINGFELDER: Let's do a hand count.
>>GWEN MILLER: 3 to 3.
>>ROSE FERLITA: What happens?
>>GWEN MILLER: Dingfelder, Miller, Ferlita, yes.
Saul-Sena, Harrison and Alvarez, no.
>>MARTIN SHELBY: Per council's rules this will come back as unfinished business for a vote next Thursday morning after having Mr. White had an opportunity to review the record.
The hearing is closed.
It will remain closed.
Unless otherwise decided.
>>SHAWN HARRISON: Move to open 14.
>> Second.
(Motion carried)
>>MARTY BOYLE: Land development.
Item 14, Z 05-127.
This is a Euclidean rezoning.
There is not a site plan.
Do you want to ask the question you asked earlier?
>>JOHN DINGFELDER: Is anybody from the audience here for this petition?
Raise your hand.
>>> She's the petitioner.
Do you want me to make it quick?
>>GWEN MILLER: Make it quick.
>>SHAWN HARRISON: Are there any objections?
>>> Actually there are no objections.
>>SHAWN HARRISON: That's all we need.
>>TONY GARCIA: Planning Commission.
Planning Commission staff has no objections.
>>GWEN MILLER: Petitioner?
>>MARY ALVAREZ: Do you have any objections? (Laughter)
>>> My name is Jenny Marfianm, agent for the petitioner at 8314 North 39th Street.
>> Motion to close.
>> Second.
(Motion carried)
>>SHAWN HARRISON: Under the circumstances my district and I'm happy to move the ordinance, rezoning property in the general vicinity of 8314 north 39th street in the city of Tampa, Florida and more particularly described in section 1 from zoning district classifications RS-60 residential single family to RS-50 residential single family providing an effective date.
>>GWEN MILLER: Motion and second.
(Motion carried)
>>CHAIRMAN: We need to open number 15.
>> Second.
(Motion carried)
>>MARTY BOYLE: Land development.
This is item 15.
Z 05-128.
The property is located in the Channel District.
Just south of Kennedy.
East of Channelside Drive.
And it is west -- I'm sorry, east of Floridian and west of Channelside Drive.
Channelside Drive.
Crosstown expressway.
>>JOHN DINGFELDER: Can you point to the property on that?
>>> I'm sorry.
It goes west, down, and back up.
>> Next time use something brighter.
>>> I will.
Oh, do you see it on the Elmo?
This is Amazon road,
>>> Looking north on Meridian.
It didn't show, sorry.
Looking on Meridian.
This proposed rezoning, they are asking to go from CD 1 Channel district to CD 3 Channel District mixed use multiple office use. The waivers asked for increase allowable height of the parapet wall from 5 to 17 feet.
If you will look on elevations, it's this portion, with the architectural feature that they are asking for the waiver on.
And to allow vehicle maneuvering in the right-of-way loading docks.
This property is located 202 north 11th street.
Like I said they are asking to go to CD 3 zoning district to construct a residential mid rise tower with a retail and parking structure integrated.
The overall building stands eight stories, 4.4 feet in height, to roof level and 101.4 feet in height for the architectural features.
The structure contains 280 units, ten of which are walk-up street level units.
The project is proposed at 3.445.
Retail use shall be located at the ground level on Kennedy Boulevard.
Parking structure is integrated within the middle of the structure and not by active uses.
The parking structure is 6.5 levels.
Staff findings: The proposed rezoning is consistent with the following land use goals, objective 8-A provides for the. Did I of mixed use, of residential projects, the appropriate locations within at the central business district.
This project contains residential retail, hotel and office use.
We also find it tint with policy A, 8.3, and there are no objections -- and they are complying with the development standards of the Channel District.
And we have no objection.
>>TONY GARCIA: Planning Commission staff.
The planned use Channel District, RMU-100.
You can see what is significant for this particular project, it's one of the few projects that actually is at Meridian, and Kennedy Boulevard, there are not too many in the area that have this actually touching these two significant thoroughfares from the Channel District.
And she has stated request is for 280 residential units.
The FAR, 3.44 which Sundays the standard in the RMU-100 categories.
The site is consistent with most residential developments that have been occurring in the area, and is truly a representation of mixed use development consistent with the character and vision of the Channel District plan.
Planning Commission staff has no objections to the proposed request.
>>GWEN MILLER: Petitioner?
>>> David Smith, 401 East Jackson Street, plan we are the law firm of Stearns and Miller, 33602.
I have been sworn.
Thank you for staying awake this long evening.
And hopefully we'll have a good project tonight.
This project as described by staff has been fairly well described by them with respect to 280 units, 14,250 square feet of retail space, fully integrated, mixed use project, with ground floor retail, internal amenities, pool areas, for the residents, as well as health club, club room, all interconnected, it's a truly good design for the Channel District area.
We refer to this in our description on our site plan as a mid rise project.
Across Kennedy Boulevard, what we have -- and I'll show you in the context plan in a second, is that when we have base 11 story and 14-story which is grand central and Lantana, which is the closest projects recently approved to us.
What we have done is worked with staff very closely and also made outreach to the community groups with respect to the project.
I believe the Channelside group tonight is here as well as the residents of Channelside which most recently have formed and been active in the Channelside group and you will find these groups are in support of probably some caveats, and that basically relates to what we are committing to do.
If I might, I will take the microphone to the boards.
What we have before you tonight is this project.
This is actually the 11th street frontage of the property.
As we run across.
And what we have incorporated into the site plan is residential structures, eight stories. This is the architectural feature.
It's the highest point in the building.
The parapet walls that have been discussed or these features which hide mechanical equipment from view.
At the street level, this area right here is actually a parking garage.
What we have done is wrapped the parking garage with retail uses, and also provided so it looks like storefront in the neighborhood.
And then we have continued down the other end with another element which again has retail on the ground floor, residential units above.
So what we have done is interacted by providing not only retail uses, but there are ten walk-out units at the ground level.
So now we have an interaction not only with retail space and people coming to the project, but we also have residents actually have access to the actual sidewalk area at the project.
I'll show the other elevations as well.
Kind of worried about this easel.
This is another elevation of the project.
Again this is looking back the other way down the street, showing the corridor element.
As you see these image towers of each other, with the low rise center of the project being the parking garage.
And the last one, from an elevation standpoint, this again is the actual corner where we get into the only place, when you look at this project, were only able to acquire about three quarters of the block, two-thirds of the block, so we have partial frontage on Kennedy, total frontage on 11th, then come around Washington out to Meridian, and for about half a block.
Here's a context plan.
And where we made an error on is right off that.
We got these boxes late from the architects that actually had the project approved but this is a massing structure for grand central.
This is Ventano which is supposed to be on the end of this block.
What we have is our project on the context and as you can see Kennedy comes down, the parking garage is wrapped by retail, then we have the tower elements, or the mid rise here, then we come around the corner of Washington, and then back out other -- on the other side on Meridian.
This project is, as far as landscaping goes, in keeping with the Channelside character, we have enlisted the help of Phil Gramm, and he's incorporated all along the frontage the features that we expect to have landscaping, we have awnings that wrap in front of retail, provide shade opportunities, and it's truly a mixed use project, and we think it's going to set the standard for work you expect to see on a project that actually -- so this, as you come off of Kennedy, come across, it provides a lower height that can transition then to the rest of the neighborhood.
And we know that light is a big concern in the community and we think working with them and having discussion was them that they wanted to be sure that while they may not oppose this project and may in fact support this project that we are committed to a site plan, and that this approval establishes a height for the floors at 84.4 and the tower elements at 101.
And I explained to them, and will probably affirm that, that this is a site plan control district.
Once CD-3 is approved on this project it's for this site plan, this elevation, this maximum height.
Any changes that someone will come back would have to go through another hearing process and have a revision to the site plan by council.
We intend to build the project.
We are working very hard to do it.
It's late.
I will be glad to answer any questions that you have.
The developer, the engineer, the architect, transportation, yes, ma'am?
>>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Quick question.
How much parking do you have?
Give me a number like 500 spaces.
>>> We have 454.
We meet the code for retail, exceed the code for residential.
So we have provided for more parking as required by the code for Channel District with a residential component and we had three spaces of retail all within closed parking garage.
We also have included on-street parking around the building which is a feature that's encouraged in the Channelside district so we actually have that element so people when they come to the shops can actually park in front of the shops as well as have the opportunity to go to the parking garage if they would like.
And it provides for more connectivity, I think, and also provides somewhat of a protection for the pedestrians on the sidewalk areas.
But with that, I think we have some residents here that would like to be speak.
>>GWEN MILLER: We are going to go to the audience.
Anyone want to speak for or against, please come up now.
Come on.
Move faster.
>>> Seth Nelson, law firm of Maddox PA, Cleveland street, here tonight representing united residents of Channelside, and if you recall from the previous meetings, it's all those red shirts.
Most of them are home in bed but they wanted to make sure I was here tonight.
Very briefly it's late.
We are in support of this project.
We are coming out here tonight to let you know that we are in support of this project.
We appreciate the site plan.
It is in the core.
The core usually is kept at 60 feet.
There are some buildings that are a little bit higher with around the 80 feet.
We are okay with the 84 feet.
And my clients like the funkiness of the building with the corner, and the tower.
So that's it in closing.
But we want to let you know we have taken it on a case by case basis.
We are not just always anti-development.
We appreciate what these guys have done and we hope you will pass it tonight.
>>GWEN MILLER: Thank you.
>>> I haven't been sworn in yet.
>>CHAIRMAN: Raise your right hand.
(Oath administered by Clerk)
>>> I'm Roger Gaywood.
I live at 123 Bay Point Drive Northeast in St. Pete.
I'm a property owner, substantial property owner in the Channel District, and I'm here representing the Channel District Council tonight as secretary.
They asked me to come based on the meeting we had, we had a presentation probably about three or four weeks ago, that was the same presentation as you saw hear tonight, and based on that presentation, our members voted to support this project.
We like the height.
We like the way it looks.
Our Channel District council which represents pretty much all of the major property owners in the area as well as a number of the residents and businesses are in favor of this particular project.
>>CHAIRMAN: Thank you.
Would anyone else like to speak?
>>MARY ALVAREZ: Move to close.
>> Motion and second to close.
All in favor of the motion say Aye.
>>MARY ALVAREZ: Move an ordinance rezoning property in the general vicinity of 202 North 11th Street in the -- 11th Street section 1 from zoning district classification CD 1 to CD 3 providing an effective date.
>>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Very briefly this is exciting.
We have got residents and developers coming down in support of this.
This morning, you can hardly remember, it was like a million hours ago at the CRA meeting we talked about having a report and a discussion with council members about what Channel District should be.
This is what people are saying they want.
This is a very attractive project.
We have got buy-in from Wilson Stair, we have buy-in from the neighborhood, the staff supports it.
This is the sensibility. Channel District.
That's why these folks wait add round until 11:35 to weigh in on supporting this.
I think this is really important.
People are pro quality development of a certain scale and sensibility.
And this is a good example.
So congratulations.
>>GWEN MILLER: I have a motion and second.
All in favor say Aye.
Opposed, Nay.
(Motion carried)
>>CATHERINE COYLE: I have a quick motion.
>> Quick motion?
>>CATHERINE COYLE: Case Z 05-129 was originally scheduled for October 20th.
Mr. Michelini realized that he missed his notice deadline by one day so he cannot go forward on that day.
He has paid the amendment fee and he's trying to get the next available date before all these other cases continue.
So the next available date if you could move Z 05-129 and reschedule it for January 12th, '06, at 6 p.m.
>>MARY ALVAREZ: So moved.
>>SHAWN HARRISON: Do we already have a meeting that night?
>>> We have a meeting that night.
(Motion carried)
>> Move to receive and file.
>> Second.
>>GWEN MILLER: We stand adjourned.
(City Council adjourned 11:33 p.m.)