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Tampa City Council
November 3, 2005.
9 a.m. Regular Meeting


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08:32:20:19 >>GWEN MILLER: Tampa City Council is called to order.
09:11:42:16 The chair will yield to Ms. Rose Ferlita.
09:11:49:03 >>ROSE FERLITA: Good morning, colleagues. Ladies and
09:11:51:16 gentlemen, good morning as well.
09:11:52:27 This morning, it is my extreme pleasure to introduce to
09:11:56:07 you the Pastor of my church, Christ the King Catholic
09:12:00:04 Church, the Reverend Desmond Daly.
09:12:08:15 He originally hails from Dublin, Ireland, as we'll hear
09:12:12:09 from his accent.
09:12:15:06 A parish well known to him as he was assistant at
09:12:20:12 Christ the King in the late '70s.
09:12:22:07 His previous parish of service include St. Mary's,

09:12:26:21 St. Peter Clavers in Tampa.
09:12:32:16 Just prior to coming to Christ the King in 2001.
09:12:36:21 Since July of 2001, the parish of Christ the King has
09:12:40:06 grown to serve over 10,000 active members.
09:12:42:22 He will celebrate his 40th anniversary of being
09:12:45:01 ordained as a priest in May of 2006.
09:12:48:07 He was keenly interested and active in the faith
09:12:51:25 community of Christ the King, the diocese of
09:12:54:07 St. Petersburg and has actively participated in the
09:12:57:00 social justice issues.
09:12:58:09 I can tell you as a parishioner of Christ the King we
09:13:01:16 are very fortunate to have him as our leader.
09:13:03:19 Father, thank you for joining us this morning.
09:13:05:13 I ask the audience please stand while the Father leads
09:13:08:19 us in prayer and remain standing for the Pledge of
09:13:10:13 Allegiance.
09:13:10:27 Again, Father, thank you.
09:13:16:27 >> Let us call to mind the presence of God, our
09:13:20:24 creator, God of our own understanding.
09:13:28:09 We lift our mind and hearts to the Lord now, and we
09:13:31:12 thank him for all that he has done for us in our
09:13:34:21 lifetime, for the many blessings he has bestowed upon
09:13:40:21 us individually, and as a community, as a city.
09:13:47:03 Blessings that have brought us very far in our walk
09:13:53:09 towards even greater blessings that you have promised

09:13:57:07 us for the future.
09:13:59:06 We thank you for all of these things, may call God's
09:14:03:13 blessing today upon these proceedings, amen.
09:14:09:15 (Pledge of Allegiance)
09:14:29:15 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Sir, I wanted to thank you for that
09:14:32:21 prayer.
09:14:33:03 It was very -- it was so thoughtful, and it was really
09:14:36:12 appropriate for a public meeting such as this.
09:14:39:24 So I want to thank you for your sensitivity.
09:14:42:21 >>GWEN MILLER: Roll call.
09:14:45:06 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Here.
09:14:45:21 >>SHAWN HARRISON: Here.
09:14:47:00 >>MARY ALVAREZ: Here.
09:14:48:06 >>ROSE FERLITA: Here.
09:14:49:07 >>KEVIN WHITE: Here.
09:14:52:10 >>GWEN MILLER: Before we begin our meeting, I would
09:14:54:12 like to put on the record that Mr. John Dingfelder will
09:14:57:18 not be here today.
09:14:58:16 He's away on city business.
09:15:00:19 Again, I will yield to Ms. Rose Ferlita, who will do a
09:15:04:24 commendation.
09:15:09:03 >>ROSE FERLITA: Madam Chairman, this, again, is indeed
09:15:12:03 a pleasure to introduce and acknowledge and commend one
09:15:15:07 of our long-term, long-serving employees, Ms. Aida
09:15:20:00 Diaz.

09:15:20:16 A week or so ago, many of us joined together to thank
09:15:24:09 her for her 50 years of service to the city.
09:15:28:15 David Smith did the service and I thought it was a nice
09:15:32:06 testimonial to what she did.
09:15:33:24 Following that, we should also say thank you in our own
09:15:36:12 way.
09:15:36:25 It's my pleasure to present this, Aida.
09:15:39:19 Aida gave me some homework here.
09:15:41:25 She said she has been here and she has through 14
09:15:44:13 Councils, through 12 mayors, 13 city attorneys, 111
09:15:49:22 assistant city attorneys.
09:15:51:09 I've been here through two mayors, and I'm struggling,
09:15:54:10 so there we go.
09:15:55:21 [ LAUGHTER ]
09:15:56:03 That kind of puts what you have done in perspective.
09:15:58:22 So it is my pleasure, Aida, to read this to you on
09:16:02:21 behalf of my colleagues, behalf of the Chairman, behalf
09:16:05:22 of David Smith and everyone you have worked with in the
09:16:08:06 City Attorney's office and certainly the people you
09:16:10:03 have served for so long, so devoutly and loyally.
09:16:13:18 I don't know how to say thank you for that amount of
09:16:15:19 time.
09:16:16:00 That's very dutiful.
09:16:17:13 So I will read this.
09:16:19:12 Tampa City Council commendation presented to Aida Diaz.

09:16:22:03 Whereas, Aida Diaz's work for the office of City
09:16:24:15 Attorney for 50 years.
09:16:26:09 Whereas Aida Diaz has been a source of leadership and
09:16:29:18 continuity in the City Attorney's office over 50 years,
09:16:31:27 for providing secretarial support, overseeing the
09:16:34:28 expenditures of fund and monitoring litigation matters
09:16:37:24 affecting the City of Tampa.
09:16:39:00 And whereas the City Council of the City of Tampa
09:16:42:09 desires to honor one of the city's most dedicated and
09:16:44:24 long-serving employees upon her retirement.
09:16:47:06 Therefore, the City Council presents a commendation to
09:16:49:06 Aida Diaz on the occasion of her retirement with wishes
09:16:52:06 for much happiness in the future.
09:16:54:00 Aida, I know you may or may not want to say a few words
09:16:57:12 and you may or may not be nervous up here, but I want
09:17:00:12 to tell you on behalf of everybody we represent, we
09:17:03:10 want to thank you.
09:17:04:03 Dela wants to present you with some flowers.
09:17:06:12 [ APPLAUSE ]
09:17:07:04 You get a reprieve so you can prepare what you want to
09:17:16:21 say.
09:17:18:01 >> I'm very nervous.
09:17:19:16 >>ROSE FERLITA: David will help you be less nervous.
09:17:22:03 He'll hold your hand.
09:17:23:09 >> I want to thank everybody, but I am very nervous.

09:17:29:15 >> It's almost impossible to really thank Aida for all
09:17:32:12 that she's done.
09:17:33:06 I did know I was the 13th City Attorney.
09:17:37:06 I don't know how that bodes.
09:17:38:12 But one of the things that I've discovered about Aida
09:17:41:15 that I have grown to appreciate more and more during
09:17:45:09 the time I've been with the city, Aida has one agenda
09:17:47:28 and that is to serve the city.
09:17:49:15 That is both rare and very helpful for those of us that
09:17:52:22 try to have the same agenda.
09:17:55:03 She has been incredible in what she does.
09:17:57:03 She works hard.
09:17:58:00 She comes in early.
09:17:58:28 She leaves late, and we are going to miss her very
09:18:01:15 much.
09:18:01:24 She will come back to see us and help us out in those
09:18:04:22 times of need as she has told us.
09:18:07:15 Aida, thank you very much for all the things you have
09:18:10:06 done for the city.
09:18:10:27 [ APPLAUSE ]
09:18:15:09 >> Did you want to say something?
09:18:17:19 We interrupted you.
09:18:19:13 >>ROSE FERLITA: Thank you, Madam Chairman.
09:18:23:19 >>MARY ALVAREZ: Aida -- Ms. Diaz, I just wanted to
09:18:36:24 thank you, too, for your hard work, the 50 years,

09:18:40:18 that's incredible for anybody to be with a city
09:18:45:00 especially for 50 years, and you've done a great job.
09:18:48:21 I've heard nothing but great things about you.
09:18:50:21 But as far as the commendation is concerned, you need a
09:18:54:13 medal.
09:18:55:06 Forget the commendation.
09:18:59:09 Enjoy your retirement and come back and see us.
09:19:03:00 >> I will.
09:19:04:00 >>GWEN MILLER: You will be missed.
09:19:05:10 Everybody will be asking about you, I know.
09:19:07:21 At this time, we need approval of the agenda.
09:19:11:12 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Yes, Council, good morning.
09:19:12:24 I believe Ms. Boyle has a walk-on.
09:19:18:21 >> Marty Boyle, Land Development.
09:19:23:15 Council, Z05-148 at 2713 Bayshore Boulevard was to be
09:19:29:06 included in the ten cases that you are hearing or
09:19:32:21 before you in a few minutes for scheduling for the
09:19:36:09 December 8th, 6 p.m. meeting.
09:19:38:16 It got left out, and we are asking now that it be
09:19:42:07 included in those cases.
09:19:43:16 It doesn't add any additional cases.
09:19:45:24 It's within the limits.
09:19:51:03 >>MARY ALVAREZ: I thought I had counted about 13 items
09:19:53:18 in there already for the 8th.
09:19:55:21 >> For the 8th, there should be only 10 new and there

09:19:59:18 will be three continuances.
09:20:01:25 This is part of that 10.
09:20:03:22 >>MARY ALVAREZ: Including the ones we had already on
09:20:06:10 this agenda?
09:20:08:06 I think I counted seven or eight.
09:20:09:24 >>GWEN MILLER: The total would be all 13.
09:20:11:24 >> Total of 13.
09:20:13:09 >>MARY ALVAREZ: All right.
09:20:14:03 Let's remember not to add any more.
09:20:18:07 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I have a different item.
09:20:21:21 >>GWEN MILLER: We need a motion.
09:20:22:25 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Well, I think that item 17 is not
09:20:26:25 ready to go forward, and so shouldn't we remove it now?
09:20:36:16 >>GWEN MILLER: It will be different.
09:20:39:09 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I think Mrs. Dole is here to speak
09:20:42:19 on this.
09:20:46:28 >>MARTIN SHELBY: You can vote to add that on now, if
09:20:49:06 you wish.
09:20:51:04 >> Good morning, Sandy Dole.
09:20:53:00 I'm here for Sandy Miller this morning.
09:20:55:22 I was going to ask that we continue two items on the
09:20:58:01 agenda.
09:20:58:15 Ms. Miller is on vacation.
09:21:00:01 The first item that I will put as the second item so
09:21:04:15 we'll move to item 17 which is the memorandum of

09:21:07:04 understanding with the armory board, and we were
09:21:09:18 requesting that be postponed until December 1st, and
09:21:12:12 Ms. Miller will give a full report to the Council at
09:21:15:09 that time.
09:21:15:16 >>GWEN MILLER: We have a motion and second.
09:21:17:15 All in favor, aye.
09:21:18:18 Opposed, nay.
09:21:19:06 [ MOTION CARRIED ]
09:21:20:18 >> Do you want to take my other one now?
09:21:22:21 >>GWEN MILLER: Yes.
09:21:23:07 >> The other item is item 4 on the agenda.
09:21:25:13 It's with regard to 6510 South Himes Avenue and some
09:21:29:04 tree trimming that has occurred.
09:21:31:03 Ms. Miller would like to ask that be continued also to
09:21:33:27 December 1st, and she will be prepared with Karen
09:21:36:07 Pollace to give a full report to the Council.
09:21:39:01 >>GWEN MILLER: We have a motion and second.
09:21:41:00 All in favor of the motion, aye.
09:21:42:28 [ MOTION CARRIED ]
09:21:43:22 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I was wondering, was there action on
09:21:45:27 the walk-on?
09:21:47:09 >>GWEN MILLER: That's what I'm saying.
09:21:48:19 We need to wait to do that.
09:21:50:09 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I'm sorry.
09:21:51:07 I was distracted.

09:21:52:21 That would be appropriate to do that now.
09:21:54:24 >>GWEN MILLER: We have a motion and second to add that
09:22:00:28 one on for December the 8th at 6 p.m.
09:22:03:24 We have a motion and second.
09:22:04:25 All in favor of the motion, aye.
09:22:06:06 [ MOTION CARRIED ]
09:22:07:18 >> Thank you.
09:22:08:24 >>MARTIN SHELBY: And I believe, Madam Chair, there was
09:22:10:16 also a request by staff to move items 14 and 18 off the
09:22:15:07 consent docket under the staff reports for a
09:22:18:12 five-minute report.
09:22:19:22 I believe that's on your sign-in sheet.
09:22:21:22 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: So moved.
09:22:22:28 >>MARY ALVAREZ: Second.
09:22:23:18 >>GWEN MILLER: All in favor of the motion, aye.
09:22:25:06 [ MOTION CARRIED ]
09:22:27:00 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I believe then that's it for approval
09:22:29:16 of the agenda if Council wants to --
09:22:31:24 >>GWEN MILLER: Motion and second to approve the agenda.
09:22:34:01 All in favor of the motion, aye.
09:22:35:04 [ MOTION CARRIED ]
09:22:36:21 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Now would be appropriate then to go
09:22:38:18 through staff reports in order.
09:22:45:16 >> Good morning.
09:22:47:04 I understand there's some technical difficulty and they

09:22:49:15 are doing a last-minute setup of the presentation I
09:22:53:25 will give you.
09:22:54:27 I'll take this opportunity to do a little
09:22:57:00 housecleaning.
09:22:57:22 I have some amendments.
09:22:59:00 It's basically a revised package for item 14 and 18 on
09:23:02:22 your agenda this morning.
09:23:05:00 The amendments or the changes to the package reflects
09:23:08:13 the addition of an additional census block from what
09:23:12:16 was reflected in your earlier package.
09:23:25:01 >>GWEN MILLER: It's on.
09:23:26:15 They have it corrected.
09:23:28:03 Your presentation is ready.
09:23:36:21 >> I'm proud to be addressing you this morning
09:23:39:19 representing a team of people within city staff who has
09:23:44:18 invested hundreds of hours into the subject on
09:23:47:19 enterprise zones over the past year.
09:23:50:15 I have the benefit of representing a lot of hard work
09:23:54:07 here.
09:24:04:01 The team's effort actually started with the opportunity
09:24:17:01 to expand Tampa's enterprise zones to a total of 20
09:24:20:28 square miles, and the map that is on the right-hand
09:24:25:03 side of this page reflects all of the census blocks
09:24:31:07 within Tampa that would qualify for enterprise zone
09:24:35:21 designation.

09:24:36:28 They were looking for a total of 20 square miles of
09:24:41:27 area and no more than three noncontiguous areas.
09:24:51:25 In the selection of census blocks to designate for
09:24:57:06 enterprise zone, this map reflects two different
09:25:02:18 colors.
09:25:02:27 The greenish color is existing enterprise zone area
09:25:07:01 that's being redesignated.
09:25:08:18 The blue areas are reflecting expansion areas of
09:25:11:27 enterprise zone that will be added to the new
09:25:15:04 definitions.
09:25:16:01 You will see on the left-hand side of that map, there
09:25:21:00 is now a blue area.
09:25:22:27 This is the addition of an enterprise zone designation
09:25:27:10 that will cover some portion of Drew Park.
09:25:33:07 And the total on this reflects three noncontiguous
09:25:36:16 areas for a total of 19.87 square miles out of our
09:25:40:22 20-mile allocation.
09:25:46:04 There are a number of incentives associated with
09:25:48:12 enterprise zones.
09:25:50:06 At this point, the program, the new program that goes
09:25:52:22 forward from this point is all directly associated with
09:25:56:24 business tax credits.
09:25:58:25 Everything from sales tax refunds, sales tax credits
09:26:02:18 and corporate income tax credit for benefits to the
09:26:07:21 enterprise community that includes job creation, job

09:26:10:24 training, expansion of business, expansion of
09:26:15:28 facilities, purchase of major equipment, these are all
09:26:19:24 things that allow a company to qualify for enterprise
09:26:22:21 benefits within the zone.
09:26:24:21 In the past 18 months, there have been 16 businesses
09:26:30:10 that have taken advantage of enterprise zone benefits.
09:26:33:21 Some of those reflected here.
09:26:35:09 Albertsons, Family Dollar Stores, Citilofts.
09:26:41:09 Hilton Garden Inn, the Columbia Restaurant, Walgreen's.
09:26:45:09 These are somewhat household names in our community.
09:26:48:10 People receive for real benefits being associated with
09:26:53:09 enterprise zone.
09:26:54:15 And of the 16, not just those six I named, but of the
09:26:57:27 16 applicants, they received in excess of $800,000 in
09:27:02:09 benefits associated with the enterprise zone.
09:27:05:09 The largest benefits being accrued to building
09:27:08:15 materials and sales tax refunds, but all of them had
09:27:12:27 different ways of qualifying for benefits under the
09:27:16:22 enterprise zone.
09:27:20:18 >> There's a time line coming up things to be done.
09:27:23:09 We're starting with today.
09:27:24:27 I failed to mention it here that I would be talking,
09:27:27:09 but reflected your action.
09:27:29:18 There are two items on your agenda.
09:27:31:04 One of them is a resolution that basically gives

09:27:34:18 empowerment to submit the enterprise zone application
09:27:37:25 to the state.
09:27:39:12 The second is an ordinance that gives a little bit more
09:27:43:27 definition as to how the enterprise zone will be
09:27:47:28 managed within our community.
09:27:50:06 The ordinance today will be a first reading of the
09:27:53:15 ordinance, and I think the second reading is scheduled
09:27:56:10 for November 17th.
09:27:58:19 So there's not an action today on that portion of it.
09:28:05:16 Following our approval from the state for the
09:28:07:12 redesignated areas, probably in the time frame of
09:28:12:04 January, we will come with you to work with the
09:28:15:00 selection of a community board to manage the enterprise
09:28:19:06 zone.
09:28:19:25 >>GWEN MILLER: How much longer?
09:28:23:27 >> One slide.
09:28:26:00 Basically, you're looking for a cross section of
09:28:28:18 stakeholders within enterprise zone and the overall
09:28:32:10 board should reflect the gender and ratio composition
09:28:36:21 of Tampa as a whole.
09:28:39:12 And you can address this.
09:28:41:12 These appointments are made by the City Council.
09:28:45:01 Thank you.
09:28:45:01 >>GWEN MILLER: Thank you.
09:28:45:19 Ms. Alvarez.

09:28:47:16 >> Thank you for including Drew Park in this enterprise
09:28:51:16 zone.
09:28:53:27 As we talked yesterday, I asked you if you knew the
09:28:59:10 specific block that was going to be included in this
09:29:03:03 zone.
09:29:03:16 Could you give me that information now?
09:29:05:06 >> Yes, I can.
09:29:22:27 There is the census block in Drew Park.
09:29:24:28 You can see the boundary on the East is Church Avenue.
09:29:31:04 There's a staggered border to the South that is Martin
09:29:35:03 Luther King at one place, Virginia Avenue and then Ohio
09:29:40:18 Avenue.
09:29:42:12 I think it runs to the West to Westshore, and on the
09:29:46:09 North is a fairly sturdy border of Alva Street.
09:29:53:27 You will see the yellow line on the left-hand side of
09:29:56:06 that designated area is actually the border of the CRA.
09:29:59:12 So this census block, only about 60% of it is in the
09:30:04:27 CRA, but you have to pick the entire block.
09:30:07:24 >>MARY ALVAREZ: Thank you very much for this.
09:30:09:24 This is certainly part of the community redevelopment
09:30:13:09 plan for the Drew Park area.
09:30:15:27 And we were looking for this, so I appreciate this very
09:30:18:09 much.
09:30:18:21 Thank you.
09:30:20:12 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I have a question about the Channel

09:30:22:12 District.
09:30:23:04 The Channel District is an enterprise zone, correct?
09:30:26:15 >> Yes, most of it.
09:30:27:27 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Well, my question is, as it evolves
09:30:31:09 and becomes more affluent, is there a tipping point
09:30:34:16 where it's obviously so successful that it no longer
09:30:37:19 qualifies, and what is the mechanism for moving it?
09:30:40:24 Or does it just stay for the next five years and then
09:30:43:09 we reevaluate or something?
09:30:45:15 >> Actually, that would be reflected to how the state
09:30:51:00 actually ratifies and maintains our designated areas.
09:30:55:19 Sal, can you assist me with that?
09:31:00:28 >> Sal Territo, Legal Department.
09:31:02:01 What normally happens, this is a ten-year cycle.
09:31:04:25 Every time you go back for recertification, they look
09:31:07:15 at that particular provision.
09:31:09:03 This year, for example, four parcels had to be taken
09:31:12:03 out because they no longer met the criteria.
09:31:13:27 In the interim, I'm not sure if there's a change during
09:31:16:03 that ten-year period, exactly what happens.
09:31:18:06 I can find out for you.
09:31:19:12 But I don't know what the review process is except for
09:31:22:03 the every ten years when it comes up for renewal.
09:31:24:21 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I guess my question would be, does
09:31:26:19 the Channel District, which is God bless it, on a

09:31:30:15 wonderful underswing, does it still qualify --
09:31:34:00 >> Whichever portions are still in this enterprise zone
09:31:36:19 would qualify.
09:31:37:15 If they didn't, the state would not approve them when
09:31:40:09 we went up there for approval.
09:31:41:13 The standards have to be met before they will approve
09:31:43:19 them.
09:31:43:27 >>GWEN MILLER: Mr. Harrison.
09:31:45:21 >>SHAWN HARRISON: Thank you, Madam Chair.
09:31:47:07 Mr. Chen, on the area in North Tampa, it looks like the
09:31:51:27 eastern -- I'm sorry, the western boundary is I-275
09:31:57:15 between Busch and Fowler.
09:31:59:18 But what is the eastern boundary, census block 21 or
09:32:04:28 2.1.
09:32:06:06 >> 2-1?
09:32:09:21 Again, I unfortunately can't just extract street names
09:32:12:18 from the graphics at this point.
09:32:41:03 >> The eastern boundary is state road 581.
09:32:48:15 >>SHAWN HARRISON: 30th Street.
09:32:49:18 Okay.
09:32:49:28 That's what I thought.
09:32:51:04 All right.
09:32:52:19 I think that this is a good first step, Mr. Chin.
09:32:56:21 This is the first time that North Tampa has been
09:32:59:09 recognized as any sort of need for economic stimulus.

09:33:03:21 As I've said on the record before, I think we need to
09:33:06:03 go further with the CRA for the area, but I will
09:33:10:12 obviously support this.
09:33:11:12 I think it's a good first step, and I see captain wolf
09:33:16:12 of TPD in the audience with a weed and seed application
09:33:19:28 that we're doing for this area as well that we're going
09:33:22:00 to vote on today.
09:33:23:03 So I think there's some movement for North Tampa.
09:33:25:19 I'm appreciative of that.
09:33:26:24 I don't think it goes far enough, and I will continue
09:33:29:15 to bang that drum.
09:33:31:12 >> If I may, to give a little bit more specifics to
09:33:35:25 your comment, the expansion area North Tampa for census
09:33:39:19 blocks was an additional eight census blocks.
09:33:43:06 That does represent probably 100% expansion of land
09:33:48:07 area from the previous enterprise zone that was
09:33:50:27 designated there.
09:33:52:21 And as we have discussed, I will be happy to work with
09:33:57:00 you through the future to figure out what we can do to
09:33:59:27 assist North Tampa.
09:34:00:19 >>SHAWN HARRISON: Thank you.
09:34:01:18 >>GWEN MILLER: Ms. Ferlita.
09:34:02:15 >>ROSE FERLITA: Madam Chairman, thank you.
09:34:04:18 Mr. Chin, first of all, thank you for the explanation
09:34:07:06 you gave me as well as my colleagues the other day.

09:34:10:00 I appreciate the previsit.
09:34:11:12 Not to confuse you this morning within we came up in
09:34:13:19 the elevator, I told you it appeared there was no
09:34:16:00 conflict.
09:34:16:24 After having said that, then our attorney Mr. Shelby
09:34:19:18 and I looked at it one more time.
09:34:21:13 Just to be on the side of caution, I think we are going
09:34:23:27 to -- not I think, we are going to file a disclosure
09:34:27:25 and I think Mr. Shelby might like to explain why I'm
09:34:32:06 asking not to be involved in this process.
09:34:33:18 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Yes.
09:34:34:15 Just for clarification, it is my opinion under state
09:34:36:28 law, this being almost a 20-square-mile area, the class
09:34:40:25 of affected persons is sufficiently large that under
09:34:45:04 state law this would not inure to your special private
09:34:47:21 gain.
09:34:48:00 I don't think that's an issue.
09:34:49:12 What I'm concerned about is the provision of City Code
09:34:51:28 that has been subject of discussion that's in the
09:34:54:10 process of being clarified.
09:34:55:21 And what we're working on doing that.
09:34:58:00 In an abandons -- abundance of caution, to avoid any
09:35:03:18 confusion, until that section is clarified that you
09:35:06:09 file a conflict in this case.
09:35:08:21 >>ROSE FERLITA: Okay.

09:35:09:16 And I would just like to read that into the record to
09:35:12:09 complete that.
09:35:12:21 Disclosure of local offices interest.
09:35:14:21 I Rose Ferlita hereby disclose November 3rd, '05,
09:35:18:09 measure came or will come before my agency which inures
09:35:20:27 to my special private gain or loss.
09:35:23:09 File number B-2, 005-5, resolution and ordinance
09:35:27:12 pertaining to the City of Tampa enterprise zone.
09:35:29:19 I have an interest in real property in the expanded
09:35:31:25 area, and for that reason, I am going to abstain from
09:35:36:03 voting.
09:35:38:03 >>SHAWN HARRISON: I think that may catch me too.
09:35:40:04 I'm not sure.
09:35:42:15 We have a building that's going to be completed next
09:35:45:12 month on the North side of downtown.
09:35:47:09 I don't know if that's in an enterprise zone or not.
09:35:50:09 >>MARTIN SHELBY: And I don't have the answer to that.
09:35:55:10 I don't know.
09:35:55:22 Is downtown Franklin Street within the enterprise zone?
09:36:03:13 >>SHAWN HARRISON: We're on Florida, between Florida and
09:36:06:07 Franklin.
09:36:10:07 >> South of the interstate.
09:36:11:13 >>SHAWN HARRISON: Yes.
09:36:12:09 >> No.
09:36:12:21 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Again, I apologize to Council, but

09:36:14:22 this is one of the provisions within the City Code that
09:36:17:06 requires the kind of clarification that we're in the
09:36:19:09 process of working.
09:36:21:06 >> Mr. Shelby, is that just residential and/or
09:36:24:22 commercial or --
09:36:26:28 >> Anything.
09:36:27:09 >>KEVIN WHITE: Then we won't have four votes.
09:36:29:06 Because all the Council members --
09:36:36:03 >>ROSE FERLITA: He's asking because of his residence in
09:36:39:09 the same area.
09:36:40:13 Is it residential or commercial?
09:36:42:09 >>MARTIN SHELBY: It depends upon a strict reading of a
09:36:45:03 provision that I think is inherently overbroad and
09:36:49:12 subject to clarification and in strong need of
09:36:52:22 clarification.
09:36:55:06 >> Sal Territo, Legal Department.
09:36:56:06 It doesn't involve residential because there's no way a
09:36:59:21 residence will get any benefits, so it will not involve
09:37:03:03 residential.
09:37:03:16 It's a commercial provision.
09:37:05:19 >>ROSE FERLITA: Mr. Shelby, I'm grateful you looked at
09:37:07:25 it again.
09:37:08:09 This way we are safe and we are appropriate.
09:37:10:12 That's fine.
09:37:10:24 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Again, it points out the need for us

09:37:13:09 to be able to address this issue as soon as possible.
09:37:15:09 >>GWEN MILLER: Thank you.
09:37:17:19 >>CLERK: Madam Chairman, I have one clarification I
09:37:20:09 need to clarify.
09:37:21:12 The document that was submitted for the application
09:37:23:15 package, is that for a substitution to the resolution?
09:37:27:12 >>GWEN MILLER: Is this a substitute?
09:37:29:12 >> It is to both, the resolution and the ordinance,
09:37:32:13 yes, a substitute.
09:37:35:13 >>GWEN MILLER: Any other questions from Council
09:37:36:22 members?
09:37:39:27 >> Thank you, Mr. Chen.
09:37:41:04 >> Thank you for the opportunity.
09:37:41:27 >>GWEN MILLER: We'll go to staff report, item number 2,
09:37:44:18 Mr. Shelby.
09:37:46:04 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Yes, item number two has been on
09:37:49:07 Council I believe on at least one other occasion,
09:37:53:27 possibly two, I believe.
09:37:55:13 And it's pursuant to rule 4-C, sufficient number of
09:37:59:03 votes was not garnered in previous actions, so it is
09:38:02:22 before Council for a vote today.
09:38:06:09 >>ROSE FERLITA: Madam Chairman, I was absent at the
09:38:09:21 vote, not absent, but absent at the vote.
09:38:11:19 And having reviewed this item, too, I'm still not
09:38:15:03 sure -- maybe somebody can assist me with some

09:38:18:06 information.
09:38:18:13 I believe if I remember correctly that Mr. Harrison had
09:38:20:19 asked who the Tampa Bay partnership was and some
09:38:23:24 rationale behind them requesting this
09:38:27:19 $50,000 provision.
09:38:29:19 I'm not sure that he got an answer.
09:38:31:21 If he did, Mr. Harrison, would you share that with me?
09:38:35:01 >>SHAWN HARRISON: I did.
09:38:35:22 I spoke with Mark Huey last night.
09:38:38:09 I'm satisfied with the explanation I got.
09:38:41:03 Apparently this is the sixth year we made a
09:38:42:27 contribution to the partnership.
09:38:43:22 They do economic development similar to what the
09:38:46:21 chamber does but on a more regional scale.
09:38:49:13 Mark said that Hillsborough County puts in the same
09:38:51:27 amount of money, City of Clearwater does.
09:38:53:18 >>ROSE FERLITA: It's not the first time then.
09:38:55:24 >>SHAWN HARRISON: Exactly.
09:38:58:18 >>GWEN MILLER: Any other questions on item number 2?
09:39:01:12 We are ready to vote then.
09:39:02:12 >>MARY ALVAREZ: Do I have to make a statement on it, or
09:39:05:16 just go ahead and vote?
09:39:06:24 Because I wasn't -- I was absent at the vote too.
09:39:13:03 >>GWEN MILLER: Are we ready to vote?
09:39:14:15 All in favor of item number two, say aye.

09:39:16:18 Opposed, nay.
09:39:17:12 [ MOTION CARRIED ]
09:39:19:18 Item number 3.
09:39:25:10 Is a representative here from the police department?
09:39:27:16 >>ROSE FERLITA: Madam Chairman, I don't know how we
09:39:29:25 want to do this and where we want to go with it.
09:39:32:03 I guess we're going to ask each department head to do
09:39:34:19 something, or can I make a comment before we start?
09:39:37:27 Okay.
09:39:38:06 As most of us recall, the reason we asked this to be
09:39:41:12 done and there were issues that came up after this
09:39:44:15 discussion at Council, we asked the appropriate
09:39:46:09 departments and department heads to come and let us
09:39:48:12 know what they thought we could do about this.
09:39:50:18 The reason for this is not simply to single out this
09:39:54:22 particular site.
09:39:55:00 I think that we're going to have lots and lots of these
09:39:58:03 same issues as we go forward with a lot of development,
09:40:00:21 permits, and those type of things in South Tampa or
09:40:03:19 anyplace else.
09:40:04:24 I am hopeful that the discussion today will yield this,
09:40:07:06 that we could direct the administration and whoever is
09:40:10:06 in large of doing this some sort of a procedural plan
09:40:13:18 so that the neighborhood knows what they are going to
09:40:16:09 expect.

09:40:16:19 There's going to be some amount of inconvenience with
09:40:22:10 every development.
09:40:23:07 At the same time, the construction crew will know what
09:40:25:00 they can and can't do.
09:40:26:12 And maybe the neighborhood will be notified about
09:40:28:12 what's going on, who they can call based on whatever,
09:40:31:24 and transportation will make sure there are no
09:40:33:18 violations in the way that the crew is planning the
09:40:37:10 park, what they are doing, where they are staging their
09:40:40:12 deliveries, et cetera.
09:40:41:06 Because I think this is very instrumental of many
09:40:43:06 things that are coming forward with development.
09:40:44:24 So I'm hopeful this will be constructive.
09:40:50:00 I don't think it serves a good purpose for me or any
09:40:52:00 other representative of this Council who is called, you
09:40:54:28 know, called Major George.
09:40:56:09 I know Captain Miller is here in place of maybe George,
09:41:00:00 but we had some conversations when I was there that
09:41:02:06 day.
09:41:02:18 I think if we go forward, have a plan, this won't come
09:41:05:03 up except under extreme circumstances, and that's what
09:41:08:28 I'm hoping this discussion today will yield.
09:41:14:24 >> Good morning, Council.
09:41:15:21 Roy LaMotte, transportation manager.
09:41:20:22 I'm here on part of the entire team that works under

09:41:23:00 the administration dealing with the Tampa Police
09:41:23:27 Department, our Legal Department, our code department
09:41:26:15 and transportation.
09:41:27:03 It all really ties together as one as we have an urban
09:41:30:12 construction project primarily taking place off of
09:41:33:15 Bayshore and a residential street.
09:41:36:27 Over the last week, we have gathered as a team to look
09:41:39:22 at the problem.
09:41:40:19 We have visited the site on numerous occasions both
09:41:43:27 during the morning, the lunchtime and the evening hours
09:41:46:10 to see what type of problems are transpiring here.
09:41:49:25 We have put together a parking plan in which to deal
09:41:53:03 with the problems in the field and have spoke both to
09:41:56:01 the contractor as well as the residents regarding their
09:41:58:27 issues.
09:41:59:13 We understand their quality-of-life issues is
09:42:01:21 important, and we as an administration are here to use
09:42:04:12 our code laws to basically bring about the compliance
09:42:08:03 from the contractor.
09:42:09:19 We have also installed the signs that had been removed,
09:42:12:21 and we are prepared with work orders to issue
09:42:16:01 additional parking restriction that meet with our code
09:42:18:19 and still be available to the residents where they do
09:42:21:27 need parking on the street.
09:42:24:12 I do have a map that's in front of us today that

09:42:28:10 basically shows where our existing parking is in the
09:42:32:21 red and where we propose to have new restrictions in.
09:42:36:09 Obviously there's no parking on Bayshore itself.
09:42:39:07 And on the northerly part of Waverly as we come in on
09:42:42:28 the West leaving Bayshore, traveling Westerly,
09:42:48:15 basically to the gates of the condominium and again
09:42:51:13 back I want to say MacDill intersection,
09:42:54:03 controlling from the stop sign back and then along
09:42:57:06 Euclid, there are a couple of areas that we found
09:42:59:16 predominant parking problems.
09:43:01:15 We do believe that by extending the parking
09:43:06:12 restrictions we will keep the intersections clear as
09:43:09:06 well as keep people away from safety items such as fire
09:43:12:16 hydrants and other restrictions regarding their
09:43:15:01 driveways.
09:43:16:00 Predominantly, we've asked the contractor and they have
09:43:19:07 complied to put a person out into the field directing
09:43:22:04 their incoming deliveries, which means that if a truck
09:43:25:27 pulls up, they will designate an area for drop-off.
09:43:29:04 They know they cannot stop in the middle of the road.
09:43:31:18 We've had them talk to their vendors about the coffee
09:43:34:15 truck pulling up and servicing it and blocking the
09:43:37:12 road.
09:43:37:19 We found that parking too close to the intersection was
09:43:40:09 a problem, so we've installed the parking signs that

09:43:44:00 we've asked for.
09:43:44:28 From the code side of the game and, again, I'm not the
09:43:48:09 code manager, but I have spoken to John and he is
09:43:52:07 making sure they are wetting down their debris so the
09:43:55:06 dust isn't created by dumps going into the dumpster.
09:43:58:22 They also asked them to change their Port-o-Lets on a
09:44:01:27 more frequent basis and also a suggestion to a
09:44:05:27 contractor about screening them better so this is not
09:44:08:01 blight to the actual neighbors that reside in the
09:44:10:13 neighborhood.
09:44:11:03 Police department in turn is out taking a look through
09:44:14:04 the area and citing whatever restrictions they can
09:44:17:04 apply.
09:44:17:27 There are numerous ones I can stand here and quote
09:44:21:03 them, but boring you, perhaps, with those restrictions.
09:44:24:07 Basically it's no parking here to corner.
09:44:26:00 It's parking near the driveways.
09:44:30:09 It's also parking at any of the fire hydrants and
09:44:33:12 right-of-way.
09:44:34:00 We don't allow that.
09:44:35:04 We have found it on a couple of occasions and we will
09:44:37:21 cite when necessary.
09:44:38:18 I'll take any questions related.
09:44:43:12 >>ROSE FERLITA: Thank you.
09:44:44:07 I think if we go forward with something constructive,

09:44:46:27 we won't have problems.
09:44:48:13 We need to set some rules.
09:44:50:00 Once we set those rules, we need to enforce them.
09:44:54:25 Enforcement is always an issue.
09:44:54:25 You can't park so close to the sign where the sign
09:44:57:27 notifies the crew that they can't park close to
09:45:00:07 Bayshore.
09:45:00:27 Hopefully we don't have any solutions like we've had in
09:45:03:00 the recent pass where they say they can't park beyond
09:45:05:24 that sign, so the sign miraculously disappears.
09:45:11:12 Did we ever find out what happened to the sign?
09:45:15:09 >> We didn't.
09:45:16:06 We said we wouldn't play a cat and mouse game with
09:45:21:09 putting it back up and taking it down.
09:45:24:09 >>ROSE FERLITA: Maybe Mr. Barrios can tell us what he
09:45:27:00 thinks we can do about a plan in terms of addressing
09:45:29:16 trees chopped down, signs being removed.
09:45:32:00 Just little issues like that.
09:45:34:12 >> Good morning.
09:45:34:25 Hugh miller, representing the police department.
09:45:39:16 I happen to command South district, South end of
09:45:42:06 district 1, sector B.
09:45:44:15 I'm proud to say that the most of the complaints we
09:45:47:03 have are simply about traffic and parking.
09:45:50:01 As Ms. Ferlita alluded to in the beginning, this is not

09:45:54:19 a unique situation for South Tampa undergoing the
09:45:58:18 tremendous amount of redevelopment.
09:46:02:03 Unfortunately, when we get involved, it is, in fact,
09:46:05:06 the enforcement end of it.
09:46:07:27 It's difficult, sometimes, because of the parking
09:46:10:27 restrictions and the way signage is done to keep
09:46:14:15 everybody ahead of the game.
09:46:16:28 The players change on a regular basis for construction
09:46:19:18 crews as they go through the process of site work and
09:46:22:09 erection of the buildings and they be the interior
09:46:24:19 work.
09:46:25:04 And in every case where we had an opportunity to speak
09:46:28:06 with the engineer on site or the construction manager,
09:46:31:03 we've had nothing but their full cooperation.
09:46:34:10 I would encourage Council and the city to begin this
09:46:37:09 process very early in the stages of planning when the
09:46:42:16 approval for the permits and construction services
09:46:45:22 begins to provide for off-site parking and that type of
09:46:51:21 provision in the initial planning stages.
09:46:54:13 Once that's done and everybody is comfortable with
09:46:57:18 that, then the neighbors know as well as the site
09:47:00:10 managers, we have trucks, big trucks that come in.
09:47:03:00 They call us ahead of time.
09:47:04:15 We help get them in through the neighborhood or up
09:47:07:24 Bayshore where trucks aren't normally allowed working

09:47:10:21 with the traffic unit from major Bennett and Kenny.
09:47:15:00 As far as the enforcement goes, I would also encourage
09:47:17:21 one other thing.
09:47:18:15 In these areas where we have these long-term projects,
09:47:21:12 perhaps the Council could direct parking to expand to
09:47:27:03 the best of their ability, their attention to being
09:47:30:18 proactive as opposed -- supposed to what the police
09:47:34:09 department is generally in these situations which is
09:47:36:24 reactive.
09:47:38:03 Ladies and gentlemen working construction don't make a
09:47:39:21 lot of money.
09:47:40:06 And they have tools and stuff that they try to take in.
09:47:42:21 If the signs get knocked down by trucks, which
09:47:45:15 sometimes happens, or they are moved -- when things are
09:47:48:09 done, they park their cars there, we start issuing
09:47:51:00 citations.
09:47:52:27 And, you know, you have to comply with the law.
09:47:57:00 It's much easier if it's done ahead of time.
09:47:59:09 And if parking were to be able to task some of their
09:48:03:15 resources into these areas that are long-term issues
09:48:06:21 for our neighborhoods and for our economic development,
09:48:10:00 it would certainly help the police department when it
09:48:12:09 comes time for that last step, which is, in fact,
09:48:15:21 punitive enforcement.
09:48:18:22 >>ROSE FERLITA: Thank you.

09:48:19:22 Appreciate it.
09:48:20:00 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Thank you.
09:48:21:15 I think that you identified the issue exactly, which is
09:48:24:21 planning at the permitting time, and I see John Barrios
09:48:27:21 coming up, if you would like to speak.
09:48:32:28 >> Thank you, Council.
09:48:33:21 John Barrios, manager of the special services.
09:48:37:03 We most certainly hear you.
09:48:40:00 These are some of the pains that we've experienced
09:48:42:06 recently as a result of some extensive growth in
09:48:45:15 already developed urban centers.
09:48:48:03 We've had preliminary discussions within the last
09:48:51:09 couple of weeks with legal and our Land Development
09:48:54:21 staff to look to see how we could incorporate what
09:48:58:06 Ms. Ferlita refers to as procedural plan requirements.
09:49:00:27 When we come through before Council on a planned
09:49:04:03 development, which this was not, we have an opportunity
09:49:07:06 there.
09:49:07:21 But we also want to build into the code for those
09:49:10:13 remaining parcels along Bayshore and other parts of the
09:49:13:28 city that high-rises are permitted, have an opportunity
09:49:17:15 to be able to prescribe or at least to identify some of
09:49:21:19 these potential staging and parking concerns that we're
09:49:25:06 experiencing on this particular job.
09:49:26:28 This particular job is a challenge.

09:49:28:27 It is land-locked on two sides.
09:49:31:15 No access or parking allowed on Bayshore, obviously.
09:49:34:18 So Waverly, unfortunately, provides the only
09:49:37:12 opportunity to get materials and workmen on and off the
09:49:41:27 jobsite.
09:49:43:19 And that is a densely populated area right there.
09:49:47:27 When you look at the footprint of the project itself,
09:49:50:16 there's virtually every green space available is taken
09:49:52:28 up by something.
09:49:55:03 And at this point, now that the builder is proceeding
09:49:58:18 with the three town houses that are on the East side,
09:50:02:03 Bayshore side, we lost all of that staging and parking
09:50:05:24 area as well, which has done nothing more than
09:50:08:09 exacerbate the situation.
09:50:10:28 We remain diligent to make sure that these provisions
09:50:14:04 are being dealt with, working together with Mr. LaMotte
09:50:21:25 and police department staff.
09:50:21:25 We have a concerted effort to try to maintain the
09:50:24:00 neighborhood in an orderly fashion, and it has been a
09:50:26:18 challenge.
09:50:27:09 And we're trying to encourage the progress to continue
09:50:29:22 at a rapid rate so we can get the project done and get
09:50:33:04 on.
09:50:34:19 But we hear Council loud and clear.
09:50:37:04 We're trying to at this point together with legal,

09:50:40:12 decide on what is the best approach to place these
09:50:43:15 provisions in the code so we can mandate certain
09:50:48:04 staging, parking requirements at the earliest
09:50:52:22 opportunity rather than as was indicated retroactively.
09:50:56:24 So, yes.
09:50:58:18 >>ROSE FERLITA: John, not that you don't have enough
09:51:00:21 work to do already, we certainly know that and
09:51:02:21 appreciate it and recognize it, and that's not what
09:51:05:03 this is about, obviously.
09:51:06:09 I think if we do this at the first initiation of the
09:51:09:25 project that it's going to help ultimately with how
09:51:12:18 many times we bother you or Mr. LaMotte or TPD.
09:51:19:27 >> Absolutely.
09:51:21:24 >>ROSE FERLITA: You get a changeover from staff when
09:51:23:24 you have crews coming in on a construction site that's
09:51:26:15 been going on for about a year.
09:51:28:18 If we do some of these things up front they know what
09:51:31:24 the agreement is.
09:51:32:27 I think initially, they were supposed to be parking at
09:51:36:22 a church site.
09:51:37:15 I know that's a bit cumbersome and then being shuttled
09:51:41:22 over there.
09:51:42:06 Later when school started, they couldn't do that.
09:51:44:12 They were supposed to be parking at some off-site site
09:51:47:18 close to the Crosstown.

09:51:48:18 I guess it became inconvenient.
09:51:51:19 "A," we have to put something together and you'll
09:51:54:03 report back to us.
09:51:54:27 And "B," we have to make it a strong enough statement
09:51:57:12 so they understand enforcement is there if we have to
09:52:00:00 use it, but we would prefer not to bother TPD for
09:52:03:03 issues like this if we don't have to.
09:52:05:10 I think it will be a good process as we go forward.
09:52:07:25 If you can, give us an update from time to time and let
09:52:11:06 us know how it is doing.
09:52:12:25 I appreciate everything your department is doing.
09:52:14:19 I know you are overloaded.
09:52:17:09 As well as Mr. LaMotte and TPD.
09:52:21:22 Thanks.
09:52:22:06 >>GWEN MILLER: Item number 5.
09:52:24:13 Anyone here from legal?
09:52:26:24 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Madam Chairman, I need to file a
09:52:29:25 voting conflict because I have property in proximity to
09:52:32:19 this.
09:52:33:04 So I'm going to file this and recuse myself.
09:52:38:19 >>MORRIS MASSEY: Morris Massey, Legal Department.
09:52:40:18 In connection with item five, I believe the clerk has
09:52:43:21 an ordinance on file that contains the revised site
09:52:45:22 plan that's been updated.
09:52:47:12 I would like Ms. Boyle to come up and confirm to

09:52:50:01 Council that the revised site plan does contain all the
09:52:52:16 cha I think so that Council directed at the last public
09:52:54:19 hearing relative to the site.
09:52:56:07 >> Marty Boyle, Land Development.
09:52:57:21 The petitioner submitted a revised site plan.
09:53:00:18 We got it to solid waste.
09:53:01:22 They wrote a letter of no objection, so they've taken
09:53:05:01 care of the last remaining objection.
09:53:08:01 >>GWEN MILLER: Mr. Harrison, would you read the
09:53:09:24 ordinance.
09:53:10:18 >>SHAWN HARRISON: 3012 West San Miguel Street and 2302
09:53:17:21 South MacDill Avenue in the City of Tampa, Florida and
09:53:19:25 more particularly described in section one from zoning
09:53:22:10 district classification CN, commercial neighborhood,
09:53:24:24 and CG, commercial general, to PD, bank with drive-in
09:53:29:21 window and professional office, providing an effective
09:53:31:18 date.
09:53:31:25 >>GWEN MILLER: All in favor of the motion, aye.
09:53:33:18 [ MOTION CARRIED ]
09:53:34:12 >>CLERK: Ms. Saul-Sena abstaining.
09:53:36:21 >>GWEN MILLER: Yes.
09:53:38:00 Anyone in the public like to ask for reconsideration?
09:53:46:24 >> Steve Michelini, I'm here on behalf of Andy
09:53:49:24 Weinbrenner who is with me this morning.
09:53:51:27 We are requesting reconsideration on Z 05-40, 512 South

09:53:56:22 Melville.
09:53:57:13 Last week, when the hearing was proceeding, the staff
09:54:00:21 was asked to weigh in on a variety of issues, including
09:54:05:06 size, mass, scale, et cetera.
09:54:08:24 On our site plan.
09:54:11:21 And those are based on schematic elevations and not on
09:54:15:12 detailed drawings.
09:54:17:01 What we were asking for was an opportunity to evaluate
09:54:19:06 that size, mass and scale, come back to you, go back
09:54:23:09 and provide those details so that we know exactly what
09:54:27:21 they are instead of basing a decision on basically a
09:54:33:15 design sketch that's not detailed, and it certainly
09:54:36:10 does not identify size, scale and mass.
09:54:40:06 Typically when we come before you, we present you with
09:54:42:24 a site plan, which governs the development of a PD.
09:54:46:24 And in this case, we were off on a tangent here, but
09:54:50:22 it's an important tangent.
09:54:52:25 The staff was asked to give you a decision at the
09:54:55:12 podium without the benefit of us providing them with
09:54:59:15 empirical data that they could base their decision or
09:55:02:13 their opinion on.
09:55:04:03 So we believe that it was an interpretive matter and it
09:55:07:24 was made at the moment at the podium without the
09:55:12:15 benefit of direct data being provided by us or by the
09:55:16:24 architects, and we would like to go back and have an

09:55:19:03 opportunity to provide that to Council so that we can
09:55:21:09 better show that this project is, in fact, compatible
09:55:24:15 in size, scale and mass.
09:55:26:24 And Mr. Weinbrenner here, we would have directed our
09:55:30:24 architects to provide that data to us had we known that
09:55:33:25 was going to be part of the evaluation criteria.
09:55:36:15 And normally outside of historic districts where that
09:55:40:15 is part of your direct evaluation criteria, it's not
09:55:43:16 something that you base a decision on.
09:55:46:00 Although we believe it is compatible.
09:55:49:24 We have been working with the neighborhood group in
09:55:51:21 terms of this project for an extended period of time.
09:55:54:03 Mr. Weinbrenner has met with them several times and we
09:55:57:24 would like an opportunity to come back before you.
09:56:00:09 >>GWEN MILLER: Pleasure of the Council?
09:56:02:03 >>KEVIN WHITE: Madam Chairman, I would make a motion
09:56:05:09 for the reconsideration, only based upon I don't think
09:56:08:21 the petitioner was able to give his full presentation.
09:56:13:24 With what was given, I don't necessarily think that it
09:56:19:24 may have been 100% compatible, but I'm willing to
09:56:25:12 personally allow the petitioner another opportunity to
09:56:27:09 come and bring a full presentation.
09:56:29:18 By no stretch of the imagination do I want to misguide
09:56:34:21 the petitioner that if this does pass that I will be in
09:56:38:15 support.

09:56:39:18 That is not the intention of the motion.
09:56:41:09 The intention of the motion is to allow the petitioner
09:56:43:18 to be able to come and give a full detailed
09:56:47:25 presentation to the Council and/or if he felt that he
09:56:52:03 was not afforded the ability to do that, I obviously
09:56:55:28 want to give each and every petitioner that opportunity
09:56:59:18 to give a full presentation.
09:57:01:04 And that would be the intent of that particular motion.
09:57:04:12 >>GWEN MILLER: Ms. Saul-Sena.
09:57:06:03 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Thank you.
09:57:07:03 I will not be in support of reconsideration because the
09:57:11:13 number of units being proposed, the scale of what was
09:57:14:15 being proposed I felt was clearly presented, and I
09:57:17:27 don't see putting you through the efforts of giving us
09:57:20:13 greater detail on something that I know is not -- I
09:57:24:21 don't believe is compatible with the surroundings and
09:57:26:27 is not appropriate and why put you through that and
09:57:29:13 then not support it, so I will not be supporting this
09:57:32:06 request.
09:57:32:16 >>ROSE FERLITA: Madam Chairman, I am going to support
09:57:35:19 Mr. White's motion, basically for the same reasons.
09:57:39:04 Mr. Michelini, I'm not sure your interpretation of
09:57:42:00 it -- the interpretive manner that you referred to was
09:57:46:13 accurate or not.
09:57:47:12 And I am saying the same thing.

09:57:49:12 If I had to vote on this again right now, my answer
09:57:51:18 would also be I'm not supporting it.
09:57:53:09 But I think you are asking to go through this again,
09:57:57:19 and although I understand Ms. Saul-Sena's concern about
09:57:59:16 the number of units, et cetera, compatibility.
09:58:06:06 From what I remember it was last week or the week
09:58:08:15 before whenever it was and there was back and forth
09:58:13:21 between Mr. Dingfelder.
09:58:14:27 I lost sight of where we were trying to go as opposed
09:58:18:04 to where we went.
09:58:19:03 I don't think that's how we're supposed to listen to
09:58:21:27 petitions.
09:58:22:18 Not pulling any punches here, I'm not supportive at
09:58:25:01 this point.
09:58:25:15 But that's not what you're asking.
09:58:27:00 You're asking for support to be reheard, and I'll
09:58:29:15 support it on that basis.
09:58:30:15 >>SHAWN HARRISON: And I would say that, Mr. Michelini,
09:58:36:21 what you need to come back with is something that is
09:58:40:15 different.
09:58:41:21 I mean, when you say we need to do architectural
09:58:46:15 renderings and things like that, I remember being
09:58:50:00 struck by the mass and the size and thinking that by
09:58:52:13 looking at this, this just doesn't look like it fits.
09:58:54:28 So I would take that into consideration when you go

09:58:57:01 back to the drawing board.
09:58:59:03 But I'm willing to give you all that opportunity as
09:59:01:09 well.
09:59:06:06 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Madam Chair, if we could have a
09:59:08:00 clarification.
09:59:08:12 I wanted to know if that was in the form of a motion
09:59:10:12 from Mr. White.
09:59:12:01 >>GWEN MILLER: It was a motion and second.
09:59:13:27 We have a motion and second.
09:59:15:12 Question on the motion?
09:59:16:19 Ms. Saul-Sena.
09:59:17:12 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Thank you.
09:59:18:12 I don't know if you'll have the votes to pass this or
09:59:20:06 not.
09:59:20:19 But if it does pass and if you do come back, I'll tell
09:59:24:24 you what I think will work in terms of compatibility,
09:59:28:04 and that is next to old Hyde Park village on Rome
09:59:30:22 Avenue, there are some duplexes in the bungalow style
09:59:34:03 that absolutely fit in.
09:59:37:12 They are in terms of character, scale and mass
09:59:39:12 appropriate to the neighborhood.
09:59:40:19 If you could come back with something like that, I
09:59:43:10 would be happy to support it.
09:59:44:27 That's the look, the feel, the scale.
09:59:47:16 Three-story bungalows don't exist anywhere in the

09:59:50:19 world.
09:59:50:28 They just don't exist.
09:59:52:21 Three-story bungalows are an architectural anomaly.
09:59:56:09 They just -- so don't come back with that, please.
09:59:59:27 Thank you.
10:00:00:01 >>GWEN MILLER: We have a motion and second.
10:00:02:24 All in favor, aye.
10:00:05:06 >> I also agree with Ms. Saul-Sena on that.
10:00:07:21 >>CLERK: Saul-Sena no.
10:00:11:10 >>MARTIN SHELBY: How does the process work?
10:00:13:10 >> We have to renotice and you have to set a hearing
10:00:15:15 date which I think the first available dates are in
10:00:17:21 February now.
10:00:18:06 >>CLERK: And he would be required to pay an amendment
10:00:21:06 fee.
10:00:21:12 >> We have to pay the amendment fee, renotice.
10:00:24:12 I don't know what -- if staff knows what the available
10:00:27:13 hearing dates are.
10:00:28:21 I think it's February.
10:00:29:24 >> Marty Boyle, Land Development.
10:00:31:25 We have for -- would this be a continuance --
10:00:35:24 considered a continuance or reconsideration?
10:00:38:06 Renotice.
10:00:38:24 So we have available date February 23rd.
10:00:44:10 6 p.m.

10:00:46:06 >>GWEN MILLER: Okay.
10:00:46:27 We need a motion to set this for February the 23rd.
10:00:50:12 >>MARTIN SHELBY: And to allow them to pay the amendment
10:00:54:09 fee.
10:00:56:24 >>GWEN MILLER: We have a motion and second.
10:00:58:10 All in favor of the motion, aye.
10:01:02:00 February 23rd setting the date.
10:01:04:09 All in favor, aye.
10:01:05:12 Opposed, nay.
10:01:06:01 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Nay.
10:01:07:09 >>CLERK: Saul-Sena, no.
10:01:11:10 >>GWEN MILLER: Is there anyone in the public who would
10:01:14:00 like to speak on any item on the agenda that's not set
10:01:16:09 for a public hearing?
10:01:17:13 >>ROSE FERLITA: Madam Chairman, while they are coming
10:01:19:06 up, I thought we were finished with this.
10:01:24:15 I wanted to look at the site she referenced.
10:01:26:09 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: It's across from Kate Jackson park,
10:01:29:06 immediately adjacent to the parking lot.
10:01:30:27 It looks like a single-family home but it's actually
10:01:33:03 two units.
10:01:33:25 If you build more mass in the back, it could be more
10:01:36:13 units.
10:01:39:00 As a matter of fact, council at the time, the original
10:01:41:03 petitioner that came before Council, I was back, you

10:01:43:13 know, 15 years ago, they wanted to do this med-REV
10:01:48:18 thing that didn't fit and we sent them back to the
10:01:50:27 drawing board and they came back with this and we
10:01:53:09 thought, wow, this really fits.
10:01:54:18 And their value has gone up threefold.
10:02:00:09 Good design works.
10:02:02:19 >>GWEN MILLER: Mr. Knotts, you may come up.
10:02:07:18 >> Good morning, ladies and gentlemen.
10:02:09:00 My name is Moses Knotts Junior.
10:02:11:06 2902 East Ellicott Street where I operate a business
10:02:15:00 under the name of Knotts' Salvage and Hauling for 40
10:02:18:21 years.
10:02:19:00 Now just got grandfathered in, got all of my licenses,
10:02:22:06 but I'm not doing anything.
10:02:23:13 I'm just sitting there.
10:02:24:19 Feel like a dog run over by a car, but still ain't
10:02:27:21 dead.
10:02:28:07 And then I thank God for his grace and his mercy.
10:02:31:27 And Ms. Saul-Sena, you stole my thunder this morning.
10:02:36:07 Out of all the people up there, nobody thank that man
10:02:39:12 for the prayer, but you spoke up.
10:02:41:22 Always had a problem figuring you out.
10:02:43:21 Always had a problem, for years and years, I had a
10:02:46:04 problem figuring you out.
10:02:48:21 >> Us, too, Mr. Knotts.

10:02:50:22 Just joking.
10:02:53:09 >> Anyway, that man made a perfect short prayer.
10:03:01:03 You know, in the Bible, Peter prayed the shortest
10:03:03:25 prayer in the Bible.
10:03:04:21 He was trying to walk the water and the devil got into
10:03:07:15 the water and roughed it all up.
10:03:09:06 He said, Lord, save me!
10:03:11:09 And the water stopped.
10:03:14:07 >> There's a shorter one than that in there, Mr.
10:03:16:00 Knotts.
10:03:17:27 >> Okay.
10:03:18:09 All right.
10:03:20:00 Well, I love that one.
10:03:21:13 Because that man was in trouble.
10:03:24:27 You in anyway, though that man prayed a perfect prayer.
10:03:28:27 And then I turned around and got my feelings hurt back
10:03:31:27 there.
10:03:32:10 This man come up here and talked about this enterprise
10:03:37:01 zone, and I know that Mr. Shawn and some of you all in
10:03:42:18 neighborhoods, you all love your neighbors.
10:03:45:18 Now, it looked like the people that represent my part
10:03:48:06 of town don't love their neighbors.
10:03:50:18 They love the police folks and the code enforcement and
10:03:54:16 having to come over and use an iron fist on us.
10:03:57:07 And that's all they do.

10:04:01:21 That man come up here and you said -- and I was looking
10:04:04:03 for somebody to jump up and say, well, what area do
10:04:08:03 this enterprise zone covered in our neighborhood?
10:04:10:27 And I'm looking, moving my head, somebody going to jump
10:04:14:25 up and move and then nobody said nothing.
10:04:17:21 And now I don't know, do we cover my neighborhood or
10:04:19:24 not?
10:04:20:09 Let me tell you one thing very important, I represent
10:04:23:00 poor peoples, and God knows I love them just as much as
10:04:26:27 I do Jesus because Jesus said that.
10:04:29:16 You have to love your brother.
10:04:30:24 You hate your brother, you hate him.
10:04:34:06 He means that.
10:04:35:03 It's red in the Bible.
10:04:37:12 I love my brother.
10:04:39:00 Ms. Miller, when I go down, I want you to tell me, did
10:04:42:28 that cover my neighborhood or did it not?
10:04:45:06 >>GWEN MILLER: East Tampa was the first one to get
10:04:47:06 enterprise zone.
10:04:49:21 >> They got it.
10:04:50:10 >>GWEN MILLER: They are just trying to catch up with
10:04:51:24 us.
10:04:52:15 We're the first one that got the enterprise zone.
10:04:55:12 >> Good.
10:04:55:24 I apologize.

10:04:57:19 I apologize.
10:05:02:06 But we need it.
10:05:03:03 And the reason I say that, you know, over there, we're
10:05:05:21 doing all this building over there, very good thing.
10:05:08:06 But I want to know people like me, did a big
10:05:13:12 remodelling job on my place.
10:05:17:03 But that tax saving thing is very important.
10:05:19:09 You know -- it was a very important thing.
10:05:31:04 But I want to know, most people don't know about this
10:05:33:06 thing, though.
10:05:34:00 They go to Home Depot buy this stuff.
10:05:37:27 I used to sell building material and they don't know
10:05:40:28 about this thing.
10:05:41:18 >>GWEN MILLER: Thank you.
10:05:43:04 Anyone else like to speak?
10:05:44:24 Okay.
10:05:45:04 We'll go to our committee reports.
10:05:50:01 Public safety, Ms. Rose Ferlita.
10:05:51:15 >>ROSE FERLITA: Madam Chairman, on a couple of things
10:05:53:18 last week, Mr. Dingfelder wanted to hold to have some
10:05:56:22 explanation.
10:05:57:19 I have spoken with chief castor.
10:05:59:18 I'm comfortable with the explanation.
10:06:01:07 I think we ought to move forward.
10:06:02:16 Mr. Harrison, again, I reiterated to her about the weed

10:06:07:06 and seed program, Shawn.
10:06:07:22 I didn't have an interest in the question that he
10:06:09:06 brought up about you being our representative.
10:06:11:13 It's in your district.
10:06:12:09 It makes sense.
10:06:13:03 So that being said, I would like to move resolutions 6
10:06:15:18 through 10.
10:06:16:22 >>GWEN MILLER: Motion and second.
10:06:17:25 All in favor of the motion, aye.
10:06:19:01 [ MOTION CARRIED ]
10:06:20:18 Public works, vice-chairman, Rose Ferlita.
10:06:22:15 >>ROSE FERLITA: I ought to hold them just because --
10:06:25:09 no.
10:06:25:16 [ LAUGHTER ]
10:06:26:03 I'd like to move resolutions 11 and 12.
10:06:30:21 >>GWEN MILLER: Have a motion and second.
10:06:32:00 All in favor, aye.
10:06:32:24 [ MOTION CARRIED ]
10:06:33:28 Finance Committee, Mr. Kevin White.
10:06:35:10 >>KEVIN WHITE: I would like to move item 13.
10:06:38:13 >>GWEN MILLER: Have a motion and second.
10:06:40:00 All in favor of the motion, aye.
10:06:41:12 [ MOTION CARRIED ]
10:06:42:03 Building and zoning, Ms. Linda Saul-Sena.
10:06:43:27 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Thank you.

10:06:44:28 I would like to move number 14 with a substitute
10:06:47:27 resolution, 15, 16, and 18 with a substitute
10:06:54:09 resolution.
10:06:55:00 I think we have substitute on enterprise.
10:06:57:06 >>GWEN MILLER: You have to read number 18.
10:06:59:18 We have a motion and second.
10:07:00:21 All in favor, aye.
10:07:01:12 [ MOTION CARRIED ]
10:07:02:18 Now, Ms. Saul-Sena.
10:07:03:15 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Number 18, move an ordinance of the
10:07:05:12 City of Tampa, Florida, re-creating the City of Tampa
10:07:07:25 enterprise zone development agency pursuant to Florida
10:07:10:24 enterprise zone act as amended, providing for the
10:07:13:03 powers and responsibilities of said agency,
10:07:15:15 establishing a board of commissioners for said agency,
10:07:18:04 providing for the composition terms of office,
10:07:22:12 compensation, meeting rules and officers of said board
10:07:25:09 of commissioners.
10:07:26:09 Repealing all ordinances in conflict here with,
10:07:29:12 providing severability, providing an effective date.
10:07:30:19 >>GWEN MILLER: Have a motion and second.
10:07:32:22 All in favor, aye.
10:07:34:00 [ MOTION CARRIED ]
10:07:36:06 >>ROSE FERLITA: I abstained, Madam Chairman.
10:07:37:24 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: 19, move an ordinance, vacating,

10:07:40:00 closing, discontinuing and abandoning a certain
10:07:40:27 right-of-way A certain portion of DeLeon Street and
10:07:43:24 Horatio Street East of Himes Avenue, West of Henderson
10:07:47:16 Boulevard, North of Swann Avenue and South of Azeele
10:07:50:03 Street block S of corrected map of blocks N through S
10:07:53:00 and W of Urania, subdivision located in the City of
10:07:56:16 Tampa, Hillsborough County, Florida, the same being
10:07:58:21 more fully described in section 2 hereof, providing an
10:08:01:07 effective date.
10:08:01:13 >>GWEN MILLER: We have a motion and second.
10:08:02:27 All in favor of the motion, aye.
10:08:04:15 [ MOTION CARRIED ]
10:08:05:09 Transportation --
10:08:07:12 >>ROSE FERLITA: Before you go to that, I was assuming
10:08:09:15 that was understood when I abstained from 18 and also
10:08:11:27 abstained from 14.
10:08:13:07 14 and 18.
10:08:17:00 >>GWEN MILLER: Mr. Shawn Harrison, transportation.
10:08:20:25 >>SHAWN HARRISON: Thank you, Madam Chairman.
10:08:22:12 I move items 20 through 27.
10:08:31:10 >>GWEN MILLER: We have a question on the motion.
10:08:32:25 Ms. Alvarez.
10:08:33:12 >>MARY ALVAREZ: Mr. Harrison, did you find out about
10:08:36:06 number 20, about the interlocal agreement, what are we
10:08:39:00 doing with that?

10:08:39:27 I didn't have a chance to take a look at that.
10:08:44:28 20, the amendment to the interlocal agreement.
10:08:49:04 What was that all about, do you know?
10:08:51:00 >>SHAWN HARRISON: No, Ms. Alvarez.
10:08:53:04 I probably would refer, Mr. LaMotte could you address
10:08:58:03 number 20 or just hold this for a few minutes while we
10:09:01:06 get somebody down.
10:09:04:15 Let's just hold that.
10:09:05:12 >>GWEN MILLER: Hold number 20.
10:09:07:03 >>SHAWN HARRISON: I move item 21 through 27.
10:09:09:09 >>GWEN MILLER: We have a motion and second.
10:09:10:21 All in favor, aye.
10:09:11:12 [ MOTION CARRIED ]
10:09:13:24 >>SHAWN HARRISON: And then Madam Chair, I move to set
10:09:15:21 the new hearing items 28 through 38.
10:09:24:10 >>GWEN MILLER: Have a motion and second.
10:09:25:27 All in favor of the motion, aye.
10:09:28:21 [ MOTION CARRIED ]
10:09:29:09 At this time, we're going to go into our second
10:09:31:19 readings.
10:09:31:27 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: May I ask a quick question?
10:09:34:19 Thank you.
10:09:34:28 You know, we've all gotten copies of the proposed
10:09:37:19 changes to chapter 27, which are all things that we had
10:09:40:22 asked for and finally, finally, finally they are coming

10:09:42:28 back to us.
10:09:43:18 But in the meantime, one of the things that's part of
10:09:47:12 the changes is that when somebody proposes a big
10:09:50:06 development that we get to see renderings of all four
10:09:53:21 sides instead of just the front.
10:09:55:03 And I wondered, this is a question for legal, if
10:09:57:16 there's the ability during this interim time where we
10:10:00:04 haven't quite adopted it but we know that it's going to
10:10:02:24 happen, if we can as a courtesy, ask petitioners to
10:10:06:12 show us what all four sides of a large development
10:10:10:09 would look like.
10:10:12:00 Mr. Shelby, is that something that we can do as a sort
10:10:16:01 of courtesy request?
10:10:19:03 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I'll inquire with legal, but my
10:10:21:06 understanding is that you can request it, but you
10:10:23:19 cannot base a decision on the fact that you don't have
10:10:26:01 it or it may affect your decision one way or the other
10:10:28:22 whether they do or not under the criteria as present.
10:10:31:06 So I'll inquire.
10:10:33:21 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: My other question would be, how
10:10:36:18 quickly do you know that we're getting the changes to
10:10:38:21 27?
10:10:39:06 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I don't have a recollection.
10:10:40:27 I can get that answer before the end of the day.
10:10:42:18 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: That would be great, thank you.

10:10:44:04 >>MARY ALVAREZ: Are we not having a workshop on that
10:10:46:21 before we --
10:10:48:12 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Good, Mr. Massey.
10:10:50:19 >>MORRIS MASSEY: Morris Massey, maybe I can answer your
10:10:53:06 question, maybe I can't.
10:10:55:28 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Oh, my question was, well, the first
10:10:58:18 question is, when are we getting the revisions to 27?
10:11:03:03 >>MORRIS MASSEY: Cathy Coyle is working on that right
10:11:03:15 now.
10:11:04:00 I think the schedule hasn't been set exactly, but I
10:11:06:13 think she's trying to get it to you all in January or
10:11:09:03 get it to the Planning Commission in January.
10:11:10:27 She's trying to work with the clerk's office to set up
10:11:13:09 a couple of workshops because there are a number of
10:11:15:12 changes, to walk through the changes that's setting
10:11:18:15 meetings with T.H.A.N., also with the Builders
10:11:20:03 Association.
10:11:21:15 All that is in the works right now.
10:11:24:15 She's disseminated to all of you as well as to T.H.A.N.
10:11:26:27 and the rest of the development community, the draft.
10:11:29:07 People are giving her responses right now, but I do
10:11:31:24 imagine that you will have -- and I think she's been
10:11:34:04 trying to coordinate with the clerk's office -- some
10:11:36:22 workshops to come up either later this month or in
10:11:39:09 December with the idea that we will be moving forward

10:11:41:13 on the changes to 27 at the beginning of the year.
10:11:45:15 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: The other part of my question was,
10:11:47:13 since we obviously haven't voted on this yet but we're
10:11:50:07 obviously working on it, could we ask as a courtesy for
10:11:54:22 somebody proposing a very large-scale development to
10:11:57:13 provide us with elevations of all four sides of it?
10:12:01:12 >>MORRIS MASSEY: We certainly could ask for that
10:12:02:28 information, but I don't think we could absolutely
10:12:04:24 mandate that they provide it if they did not want to.
10:12:07:24 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Well, I see our two zoning maidens
10:12:14:03 in the audience.
10:12:15:06 >> Heather Lamboy, Land Development.
10:12:16:12 I'll let you know that we do already ask for
10:12:18:15 elevations.
10:12:19:06 So whether the petitioner absolutely provides it to us
10:12:23:01 is another thing all together.
10:12:24:15 >>GWEN MILLER: Okay.
10:12:25:28 Now we go to our readings for second readings.
10:12:29:01 Anyone in the public going to speak on items 39 through
10:12:32:09 45, would you please stand and raise your right hand.
10:12:46:12 (Oath administered by the clerk).
10:12:52:21 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I ask all written material relative to
10:12:55:12 today's hearings available in Council's office
10:12:58:10 available to the public be received and filed into the
10:13:00:04 record at this time.

10:13:01:27 Does that require a motion?
10:13:06:09 Only one item.
10:13:07:03 Is it relative to today's hearing?
10:13:10:10 >>GWEN MILLER: We have a motion and second.
10:13:11:24 All in favor of the motion, aye.
10:13:12:27 [ MOTION CARRIED ]
10:13:13:24 We need to open items 39 to 45.
10:13:16:15 We have a motion and second.
10:13:17:18 All in favor of the motion, aye.
10:13:19:21 [ MOTION CARRIED ]
10:13:20:01 Is there anyone in the public like to speak on item 39?
10:13:23:03 Have a motion and second to close.
10:13:24:19 All in favor of the motion, aye.
10:13:25:28 [ MOTION CARRIED ]
10:13:26:15 Mr. White.
10:13:27:00 >>KEVIN WHITE: Move to adopt the following ordinance
10:13:30:09 upon second reading.
10:13:32:00 Move an ordinance amending ordinance 2005-181 which
10:13:35:21 authorized the vacating, closing, discontinuing and
10:13:36:18 abandoning a certain right-of-way, all that portion of
10:13:40:06 Trask Street South of Melrose Avenue, North of San
10:13:43:01 Rafael Street, West of Hesperdies Street, East of
10:13:46:21 Westshore Boulevard in map of Henderson Beach,
10:13:50:04 subdivision located in the City of Tampa, Hillsborough
10:13:52:06 County, Florida, the same being more fully described

10:13:55:01 therein, amending said ordinance to correct a scrivener
10:13:57:24 error in the legal description, providing an effective
10:14:01:00 date.
10:14:01:06 >>GWEN MILLER: Vote and record.
10:14:07:06 >>CLERK: Motion carried with Dingfelder and Harrison
10:14:09:15 being absent.
10:14:10:06 >>GWEN MILLER: Is there anyone in the public like to
10:14:12:09 speak on item 40?
10:14:13:25 Have a motion and second to close.
10:14:15:12 All in favor of the motion, aye.
10:14:17:15 [ MOTION CARRIED ]
10:14:18:15 Ms. Ferlita.
10:14:18:24 >>ROSE FERLITA: Move to adopt the following ordinance
10:14:21:16 upon second reading.
10:14:22:24 An ordinance making lawful the sale of beverages
10:14:25:12 containing alcohol of more than 1% by weight and not
10:14:28:03 more than 14% by weight and wines regardless of
10:14:31:09 alcoholic content, beer and wine, 2(COP-R) for
10:14:35:06 consumption on premises only in connection with a
10:14:38:04 restaurant business establishment on a certain lot,
10:14:40:18 plot or tract of land located at 7532 North Armenia
10:14:43:15 Avenue, Tampa, Florida, as more particularly described
10:14:46:24 in section 2 hereof, waiving certain restrictions as to
10:14:49:27 distance based upon certain findings, providing for
10:14:52:12 repeal of all ordinances in conflict; providing an

10:14:54:21 effective date.
10:14:55:00 >>GWEN MILLER: Vote and record.
10:15:00:27 >>CLERK: Motion carried with Dingfelder and Harrison
10:15:03:21 being absent.
10:15:04:09 >>GWEN MILLER: Is there anyone in the public like to
10:15:06:00 speak on item 41?
10:15:07:18 Have a motion and second to close.
10:15:09:01 All in favor of the motion, aye.
10:15:10:04 [ MOTION CARRIED ]
10:15:10:21 Ms. Alvarez.
10:15:11:03 >>MARY ALVAREZ: Thank you Madam Chairman.
10:15:14:04 Move to adopt the following ordinance upon second
10:15:16:21 reading.
10:15:17:04 An ordinance making lawful the sale of beverages
10:15:19:06 containing alcohol of more than 1% by weight and not
10:15:22:03 more than 14% by weight and wines regardless of
10:15:25:09 alcoholic content, beer and wine, 2(COP) for
10:15:29:04 consumption on premises and in sealed containers for
10:15:32:03 consumption off premises at or from that certain lot,
10:15:36:00 plot, or tract of land located at 406 South Howard
10:15:39:15 Avenue, Tampa, Florida, as more particularly described
10:15:41:18 in section 2 hereof, waiving certain restrictions as to
10:15:44:10 distance based upon certain findings, providing for
10:15:47:03 repeal of all ordinances in conflict, providing an
10:15:49:10 effective date.

10:15:49:18 >>GWEN MILLER: Vote and record.
10:15:55:03 >>CLERK: Motion carried with Dingfelder and Harrison
10:15:57:22 being absent.
10:15:58:12 >>GWEN MILLER: Anyone in the public like to speak on
10:16:02:06 item 42?
10:16:04:12 >> Heather Lamboy, Land Development.
10:16:06:00 I would just like to make a note that a note is being
10:16:09:00 added to the site plan regarding stormwater technical
10:16:12:27 standards manual being met.
10:16:14:12 And the petitioner just provided the note to add to the
10:16:17:15 site plan.
10:16:18:22 >>GWEN MILLER: Still can read the same ordinance?
10:16:21:04 >> Yes.
10:16:22:21 >>GWEN MILLER: We have a motion and second to close.
10:16:24:09 All in favor of the motion, aye.
10:16:26:00 [ MOTION CARRIED ]
10:16:27:10 Are you coming to speak?
10:16:32:01 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Was there a vote on that.
10:16:34:27 There was a vote.
10:16:37:27 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Move to reopen.
10:16:38:28 >>GWEN MILLER: Motion and second.
10:16:40:00 All in favor, aye.
10:16:40:19 [ MOTION CARRIED ]
10:16:43:18 >>MARTIN SHELBY: We have a speaker form.
10:16:45:10 Rose Marie Perez.

10:16:47:01 Are you present?
10:16:48:15 Okay.
10:16:48:27 That will be an extra minute.
10:16:50:24 That's four minutes.
10:16:52:12 >> Thank you very much for hearing us today.
10:16:54:27 My name is Catherine coddle.
10:16:57:18 I'm a property owner adjacent to the petitioner's
10:17:00:18 request.
10:17:01:01 I'd like to ask you to reconsider the motion that you
10:17:04:03 made two weeks ago for the following reasons.
10:17:11:07 238 people said that they don't want these town houses,
10:17:15:09 and with all the sentiment attached to building out the
10:17:18:22 church, I would like to ask you to consider not the
10:17:22:10 church right at this moment but rather the attached
10:17:25:15 homes next door and ask that you reconsider your
10:17:29:04 motion, Mrs. Saul-Sena, to do away with the attached
10:17:32:24 houses.
10:17:35:10 230 people were against it.
10:17:36:24 This is not mass appropriate for this neighborhood.
10:17:39:16 It is not in historic keeping for our neighborhood.
10:17:42:24 And we ask that you please consider that.
10:17:44:18 These are all single-family homes.
10:17:46:15 We do not want a massive structure that is 130 feet
10:17:52:24 long, 30 feet high, 7500 square feet big in our
10:17:58:24 neighborhood.

10:17:59:09 I want you to think about, if you went home today and
10:18:02:19 looked out your kitchen window and you looked at a mass
10:18:07:13 130 long and 30 feet high in your backyard that your
10:18:10:15 children have to look at, it would be overwhelming.
10:18:13:00 For most of you who live in single-family homes.
10:18:15:00 And I really would like to ask you to consider doing
10:18:17:24 away with the attached structures.
10:18:20:00 That's all we're asking for.
10:18:21:15 We just want regular setbacks, regular greenspace, a
10:18:25:09 little breathing room.
10:18:27:06 The church to be built out, which we're very supportive
10:18:30:09 of, we don't want those attached homes.
10:18:33:00 We don't want to be South Tampa.
10:18:34:15 We are not South Tampa.
10:18:35:18 It's a hodgepodge down there except for the people who
10:18:38:24 live in the big beautiful houses, everybody else is
10:18:41:00 crammed in down there.
10:18:42:03 And we don't want that.
10:18:43:13 We are trying so hard not to have that in our
10:18:45:12 neighborhood.
10:18:47:06 The Neighborhood Association members who spoke two
10:18:50:24 weeks ago do not live within 250 feet of the church
10:18:54:10 except for the one member who is for it.
10:18:56:19 The other members who support it don't have to look at
10:18:59:06 this mass.

10:19:00:00 They live far enough away.
10:19:01:22 I measured some of the ones who said they live two to
10:19:05:00 three blocks away actually live a half a mile away.
10:19:08:03 They are not looking at it.
10:19:09:27 We are.
10:19:12:12 There were errors on the petition.
10:19:13:28 Several of the neighbors called me this morning and
10:19:15:28 said that they did not sign the other petition that was
10:19:18:10 in support of this.
10:19:19:07 And one lady is on oxygen and felt like she was too
10:19:22:12 upset to come down here to address that, but they don't
10:19:25:03 want the town houses.
10:19:26:10 They are trying to make that clear to you.
10:19:30:19 I have a lot of respect for Mr. and Mrs. Keene who have
10:19:34:04 been promoting this plan on behalf of saving the
10:19:37:18 church.
10:19:38:00 They have worked very hard in our neighborhood for 20
10:19:41:06 years, 25 years to do the right thing for the neighbors
10:19:46:13 because of their sentiment about the church, Mr. Keene
10:19:49:21 was a long-standing member, they have made a deal with
10:19:55:07 the applicant to save the church.
10:19:57:15 Unfortunately, this is a conflict of interest and they
10:19:59:09 should have removed themselves from the process and
10:20:01:19 failed to do so.
10:20:02:19 Instead, they said this is the way it has to be.

10:20:04:21 They never asked any of us how we felt about it, if we
10:20:07:16 wanted to make changes to it, if we wanted to amend it.
10:20:10:28 But because of their very strong emotional sentiment,
10:20:13:18 they said this is the way it has to be.
10:20:15:01 And I personally said, you know, we can talk about
10:20:18:00 this.
10:20:18:21 We can still save the church and move these things
10:20:21:10 around just a little bit so it's a little bit more
10:20:23:18 compatible.
10:20:24:01 And they said, no.
10:20:25:04 The applicant said it has to be this way.
10:20:27:09 This is the only way you can save the church.
10:20:29:09 I disagree with that.
10:20:30:15 Mr. Keene himself told me he doesn't want the attached
10:20:34:06 homes either but he felt like he had to support it in
10:20:37:06 order to save the church.
10:20:38:06 So for these reasons, we ask that you reconsider and
10:20:40:22 amend your motion to -- for all of the reasons that
10:20:43:25 they do not attach the houses.
10:20:46:04 We want two houses there, and if you can't accept that
10:20:49:27 and you insist on going with the three, just to
10:20:52:19 separate them, we're talking about a couple of walls, a
10:20:54:25 couple of setbacks A little bit of greenspace.
10:20:57:13 Thank you.
10:20:59:10 >>MARY ALVAREZ: Thank you for coming this morning.

10:21:03:09 Of the 238 that signed the petition, how many lived in
10:21:06:18 close proximity?
10:21:09:21 >> I'll let Mr. Martinez address that.
10:21:11:15 He circulated the petition, and he has a list and a map
10:21:15:06 of all the people who live within that circle.
10:21:17:15 Most of them do.
10:21:19:09 He can tell you very specifically.
10:21:23:18 >>GWEN MILLER: Thank you.
10:21:24:06 Next.
10:21:24:09 >>MARTIN SHELBY: If I can, I have just a comment after
10:21:29:24 talking with Ms. Marshal, she used the term reconsider.
10:21:32:15 And I believe the motion or request for reconsideration
10:21:35:19 is not appropriate at this time.
10:21:37:03 This is the second reading, a public hearing at which
10:21:40:07 time the request would be for in effect I guess a
10:21:43:16 denial.
10:21:44:03 But it is not technically a motion for reconsideration,
10:21:47:13 a request.
10:21:48:07 >> Thank you, Mr. Shelby.
10:21:49:12 I'm not familiar with your process.
10:21:51:01 And my request is that you amend your motion to have
10:21:54:00 the applicant do away with the attached houses.
10:21:57:18 And I'm not -- like I said, I'm not familiar with the
10:22:00:04 language about how to portray that.
10:22:01:25 >>MARTIN SHELBY: That's fine.

10:22:03:00 Thank you.
10:22:03:12 Sorry.
10:22:03:18 >>GWEN MILLER: Thank you.
10:22:04:21 Next.
10:22:08:25 >>MARY ALVAREZ: I would like to hear from Mr. Martinez
10:22:10:27 on my question.
10:22:11:18 >>GWEN MILLER: Mr. Martinez, would you come next,
10:22:13:21 please?
10:22:29:03 >>MARTIN SHELBY: We have one name on the list, Patricia
10:22:31:12 hasty, are you present?
10:22:33:04 That will be an extra minute.
10:22:34:15 I believe this gentleman needs to be sworn.
10:22:36:19 >>GWEN MILLER: Please go to the podium and raise your
10:22:39:15 right hand.
10:22:40:07 (Oath administered by the clerk).
10:22:49:18 >>MARY ALVAREZ: Mr. Martinez, before you get started,
10:22:51:18 can you answer my question as to how many people on
10:22:54:28 that 238 list were in close proximity to the site?
10:23:13:27 >> Okay, the circle itself has all these red markers,
10:23:19:12 that's the people that signed the petition.
10:23:21:21 And the one with the Ys are the yes votes.
10:23:28:06 No, the one with the Xs like here, here, these all
10:23:33:18 double signees.
10:23:35:25 For some reason we both got them to sign the petition.
10:23:39:06 So that eliminates whatever we signed or she signed.

10:23:42:21 So right on that section, we have about 30 people
10:23:45:18 voting in the area in the circle.
10:23:49:06 And they only have like five.
10:23:53:15 And within two or three blocks of the church, I think
10:23:58:03 we have about 240 signatures.
10:24:00:19 And these are people that went in, my friends went in
10:24:03:19 and got them to sign.
10:24:06:22 240.
10:24:07:27 And they only have like five or six in the area in the
10:24:11:25 circle or within two or three blocks of the church.
10:24:16:06 I went all the way to North boulevard, orient, Ohio,
10:24:20:03 and up to the river.
10:24:22:09 Those are the signatures that I got.
10:24:24:12 If you notice, these are just stripes.
10:24:28:13 These are all people that voted.
10:24:30:15 They live within two or three blocks of the church
10:24:33:15 right in here.
10:24:35:27 The solid reds are the ones that are within the circle,
10:24:40:18 basically.
10:24:41:03 And, of course, I don't appreciate Mrs. Keene standing
10:24:45:12 back here making faces.
10:24:47:18 >>GWEN MILLER: Talk to us.
10:24:49:06 Don't talk to her.
10:24:50:15 >> I don't appreciate Mrs. Keene sitting back here make
10:24:53:27 mowings to you people about things that we -- making

10:24:58:00 motions to you people about things that we say.
10:25:00:12 >>MARY ALVAREZ: Can you get by the podium.
10:25:04:21 Go to the mike or get the hand mike if you're going to
10:25:07:16 talk.
10:25:08:12 >> Okay.
10:25:08:27 We work hard to get all these signatures and made it
10:25:13:01 honestly and worked real hard on it to keep it as a
10:25:17:03 neighborhood with small homes.
10:25:19:22 The church, they can do anything they want to with the
10:25:22:01 church.
10:25:22:15 We're not against building town houses, tearing it down
10:25:25:09 or keeping it as a church.
10:25:27:04 Frankly, I don't care.
10:25:29:12 I never went to that church.
10:25:31:03 And what we want to do is keep it at like normal homes,
10:25:34:25 small homes, medium-sized homes.
10:25:37:12 And just working people homes.
10:25:40:27 Nothing extravagant like two-story homes, three of them
10:25:44:19 right in a row.
10:25:45:15 We work hard to keep it as a neighborhood.
10:25:47:18 I've been there for 47 years.
10:25:49:01 And to begin with, when the church first moved in, they
10:25:52:16 owned the whole block, even the lot I'm living in now
10:25:56:19 used to be owned by the church.
10:25:58:10 And they sold all those lots to the first homeowners

10:26:01:03 that ever moved in that area.
10:26:02:28 And they kept it like normal homes, not two-story
10:26:07:01 homes, attached homes.
10:26:09:22 And, of course, my only problem here is I'm against
10:26:13:15 rezoning for town houses.
10:26:15:15 That happens in South Tampa.
10:26:17:01 It happens down on Howard Avenue, all over the place.
10:26:20:15 Once you give one person a permit to build town houses,
10:26:25:21 everybody else will follow.
10:26:28:21 I'm strictly against rezoning for town houses.
10:26:32:00 I don't care if they built nice homes, medium-sized
10:26:35:03 homes, whatever.
10:26:35:27 But I'm against, strictly against town houses in our
10:26:40:18 area.
10:26:40:28 Thank you.
10:26:41:22 >>GWEN MILLER: Thank you.
10:26:42:12 Next.
10:26:45:24 >>KEVIN WHITE: Mr. Martinez, just real quickly in
10:26:48:03 regards to the map that you have up there.
10:26:49:18 Don't move it.
10:26:50:22 The red, does that -- is that representative of noes
10:26:54:15 because you didn't say that?
10:26:55:27 >> All the reds are noes.
10:26:58:04 >>KEVIN WHITE: Okay.
10:26:58:27 I was just -- the young lady that preceded you, part of

10:27:03:06 her comment was, how would you like to look out your
10:27:04:13 window?
10:27:05:13 And I do remember a young lady, I don't remember her
10:27:08:03 name, that came before us last week, she lived on the
10:27:13:06 corner directly catty-corner to the property.
10:27:18:22 And I remember she was in support of and I don't
10:27:21:24 remember the number of petitions that the Keenes passed
10:27:25:06 out or another -- I don't want to say the Keenes, but
10:27:28:27 another representative that had, I believe over 300
10:27:32:09 positive votes for the project.
10:27:36:06 And I don't know where they were in close proximity.
10:27:40:03 But I do remember the people that were most affected,
10:27:44:12 the most contiguous to this property were in support of
10:27:48:06 the project.
10:27:50:25 >> Well, these two here on the corner, they are
10:27:56:22 catty-corner from the church.
10:27:58:03 >>KEVIN WHITE: Yes, sir.
10:27:59:09 >> Now, the three in front of the church, which I have
10:28:02:04 my fingers there, one red one and three Ys, these two
10:28:07:22 on the corner are double signees, as far as I know.
10:28:11:13 >>KEVIN WHITE: They signed for both sides.
10:28:13:22 >> They signed my petition.
10:28:15:03 I don't know about hers, but she has them down as yes.
10:28:19:15 I don't know if she has the signature or not, but I
10:28:21:22 have mine.

10:28:22:16 If you want to see it, I have it right here.
10:28:24:16 >>KEVIN WHITE: I think we have both that were put in
10:28:26:06 the record last week.
10:28:27:18 >> But anyway, both of those people, these two here,
10:28:31:18 signed my petition against the town houses.
10:28:34:21 >>GWEN MILLER: Thank you.
10:28:39:04 That's good.
10:28:39:24 Thank you, sir.
10:28:46:00 >> I haven't been sworn.
10:28:47:09 (Oath administered by the clerk).
10:28:57:12 >> My name is Sharon Keene, and I know the opposition
10:29:01:06 has tried to present this as being about me and my
10:29:04:24 husband, but it's about the riverside heights Civic
10:29:07:06 Association.
10:29:08:09 I want you why U.S. to go over, to remember that we
10:29:14:12 have a board of 67 members, and they were all asked to
10:29:19:12 come to the meeting and told why we were having the
10:29:22:04 meeting.
10:29:22:28 It was unanimous vote in favor of this development.
10:29:27:24 Also, I'd like you to know that we worked with an
10:29:33:22 informed public.
10:29:34:18 What the opposition did, they went to homes that were
10:29:37:15 not familiar with the plan, okay, and they told them,
10:29:41:13 these are town homes, these are bad.
10:29:43:06 And they also spread a lot of other misinformation.

10:29:46:04 If I've seemed kind of emotional, it's because I had
10:29:49:12 not wanted to be negative up here.
10:29:51:09 But basically, some of the reasons people signed both
10:29:55:15 petitions were because they told me they had been told
10:29:58:03 it was low income.
10:29:59:12 They had been told it was zero lot line.
10:30:02:21 They had been told all sorts of things.
10:30:06:07 And so, you know, a lot of them didn't know what to
10:30:09:07 believe, and that's why we worked with an informed
10:30:11:18 public.
10:30:12:01 We only went to people that had seen the plans and had
10:30:15:25 an opportunity to ask questions about them.
10:30:21:03 Now, you had seen this.
10:30:26:09 And I did not put or we did not put all the ones that
10:30:30:09 we had.
10:30:30:19 I just wanted to show the ones that were adjacent to
10:30:33:16 and would be directly impacted the most.
10:30:37:25 The ones behind the church.
10:30:40:24 The ones across from the church.
10:30:42:15 The ones catty-corner to the church, there were other
10:30:47:15 signatures around here, but I just wanted to show the
10:30:50:09 ones most contiguous to the church.
10:30:53:22 100% of the people we contacted signed.
10:30:58:12 We did not contact everyone in here.
10:31:02:09 Why?

10:31:02:27 Because there was a lot of ugliness, and being, you
10:31:06:16 know, misinformation being passed out.
10:31:08:25 There was no way we were going to go house to house and
10:31:11:12 say, they are not telling the truth.
10:31:13:27 You weren't at the meeting.
10:31:15:07 I mean, it just gets terribly ugly.
10:31:18:06 Basically, we worked with an informed public.
10:31:22:19 Out of -- we had over 200 people in our association
10:31:26:09 meeting, and we went to the trouble of polling them
10:31:30:27 independently, okay, calling them up and asking their
10:31:33:18 opinion.
10:31:34:00 And this is what we got.
10:31:35:27 210 people that were contacted said yes.
10:31:40:10 All right, seven said no.
10:31:42:04 And 8 said they were undecided.
10:31:45:24 I was sure that the opposition might say that's not
10:31:48:15 true because of how ugly it's been.
10:31:50:28 So what I did and what we did is we made sure they
10:31:55:09 signed an individual petition.
10:31:57:22 At the most, there are two signatures per petition per
10:32:00:09 household.
10:32:00:28 And that they could read it and see what they were
10:32:04:18 signing.
10:32:05:00 We didn't want a long petition just a bunch of names at
10:32:09:12 the end.

10:32:10:12 So this is what we've tried to do.
10:32:12:13 It's been a very hard -- the board meeting we had was
10:32:16:09 very ugly.
10:32:17:25 People were accused of there must have been money
10:32:21:03 passed under the table.
10:32:22:22 I mean, I could go on and tell you things.
10:32:25:04 It was just horribly ugly, and I don't want to get into
10:32:30:12 that right now.
10:32:31:04 If I've been a bit emotional, that's why.
10:32:34:24 This is back.
10:32:35:16 There's a lot of excitement in our neighborhood about
10:32:37:06 this project.
10:32:37:21 >>MARY ALVAREZ: Ms. Keene, your Neighborhood
10:32:45:00 Association goes from Columbus Drive to North boulevard
10:32:49:21 to the river to MLK, right?
10:32:53:21 >> Right.
10:32:53:27 >>MARY ALVAREZ: Now, that's a large area, and the way I
10:33:02:16 see it, the people that are living closer to Columbus
10:33:02:16 Drive don't have to look at these things like
10:33:07:21 Mr. Martinez and the young lady said.
10:33:11:00 That makes it hard for me, even though I voted for it
10:33:14:18 the first time, it makes it hard for me to take a look
10:33:18:16 at these things and say that people living next to it,
10:33:24:15 those are the ones going to be affected.
10:33:26:03 Not the ones who live on Columbus Drive or on the other

10:33:29:27 side of North boulevard.
10:33:32:06 >> That's why we contacted specifically the people that
10:33:34:22 have to directly look at it, the people that are
10:33:37:18 directly in back of it, the people that are directly in
10:33:40:18 back contiguous to the East side.
10:33:43:22 Out of five houses there, four signed.
10:33:46:12 >>MARY ALVAREZ: Right.
10:33:48:03 But the people on the side, don't have to look at a
10:33:50:21 35-foot --
10:33:52:27 >> We have three out of five.
10:33:54:15 >>MARY ALVAREZ: Mr. Martinez said those two, they are
10:33:57:06 double signed.
10:33:58:28 >>MARY ALVAREZ: They are double signed because I came
10:34:01:00 to them later and they realized they had been told
10:34:04:13 mistruths.
10:34:05:09 One lady across the street was told -- the lady that
10:34:09:01 spoke here directly was told by Mr. Martinez that he
10:34:14:19 was collecting signatures for the association.
10:34:17:27 That was another misinformation that was passed around.
10:34:23:15 I will be glad to get a statement from her.
10:34:25:22 She wanted to write Council about it.
10:34:27:21 I recommended against it.
10:34:28:27 I'll be glad to submit a statement to Council about it.
10:34:35:06 And she was here speaking in favor of it that way.
10:34:38:13 She was so upset.

10:34:39:18 She never comes to meetings.
10:34:41:03 >>MARY ALVAREZ: That's what bothers me the most is that
10:34:44:09 your signatures constitutes the whole Neighborhood
10:34:48:06 Association which have -- the only ones that really
10:34:51:01 count are the ones that are right directly in front or
10:34:54:06 right directly in back.
10:34:56:07 >> Right.
10:34:56:18 And we have -- out of the ones in front, you have one,
10:34:59:09 two, three, four, five, six, seven.
10:35:02:07 We have five in front.
10:35:05:06 One is rental.
10:35:06:24 That person was not contacted.
10:35:10:25 So out of those seven, we have five.
10:35:12:24 Over the people that are directly in back, we have
10:35:15:01 three.
10:35:15:12 The ones that are contiguous to the side and have to
10:35:18:09 share, we have four out of five.
10:35:20:13 We have the corners, all the corners that have to deal
10:35:23:25 with it.
10:35:24:15 So I'm saying, yes, we do have a lot of support.
10:35:28:21 The people directly looking at it are for it.
10:35:31:03 >>MARY ALVAREZ: Well, the people on the side, the three
10:35:33:21 that you said on the side, they don't have to look
10:35:35:27 directly at it.
10:35:36:24 They are just going to be next door neighbors.

10:35:38:21 >> Well, it's going to shadow over them because it's
10:35:41:04 going to be two story.
10:35:43:03 So we have most of the ones directly there.
10:35:45:00 >>MARY ALVAREZ: Well, okay.
10:35:47:19 >> I appreciate it.
10:35:48:06 >>GWEN MILLER: Thank you.
10:35:49:15 Next.
10:35:57:27 >> Hi.
10:35:58:13 Andrea Zelman, 501 East Kennedy.
10:36:01:24 I have been sworn.
10:36:03:21 I am representing the applicant.
10:36:05:18 I'm going to try to avoid getting into the petition
10:36:07:27 issue.
10:36:09:06 Although I do think the important thing and Sharon
10:36:11:18 brought it up, the people that signed the petition in
10:36:14:21 support were talked to with site plans in hand.
10:36:17:22 Were talked to with the information being given.
10:36:20:12 We know what was told to those people.
10:36:22:13 We've heard anecdotal evidence about what was told to
10:36:25:00 the other people, but we know for a fact that the
10:36:27:09 people who signed in support saw the plans and
10:36:30:09 understood the project.
10:36:31:18 And I do think that the point that Sharon just made was
10:36:34:06 very important.
10:36:34:27 And that is of the seven homes facing the project, five

10:36:37:24 of them supported it.
10:36:39:01 And the night of the hearing, and I remember bringing
10:36:41:18 this up, several of the people who spoke in support
10:36:44:12 were people that were going to be looking at the
10:36:46:12 project every day.
10:36:48:12 But I would like to just simply address the design
10:36:52:06 issues that were talked about.
10:36:53:18 Ms. Coddle referred to the town home project as a
10:36:57:04 130-foot long mass.
10:36:59:01 And you know, with all due respect, John Tennison, when
10:37:02:21 he designed this project, designed it specifically so
10:37:05:03 it would not look like a long mass.
10:37:08:00 And he's here today with the renderings if you want to
10:37:10:13 revisit them.
10:37:11:10 I'm not sure you do.
10:37:12:12 You spent a lot of time with them that night.
10:37:14:28 But if you'll recall, the three town homes are
10:37:17:12 staggered.
10:37:18:00 So instead of just looking at a wall of homes, it's
10:37:21:04 three homes that have a staggered separated effect.
10:37:24:21 And he did that in order to be able to put the garages
10:37:27:15 in the back.
10:37:28:00 He found that in order to get the garages in the back,
10:37:30:25 that was the way he had to go.
10:37:32:07 It also creates, again, that stair step so that you're

10:37:35:04 not looking at a mass.
10:37:37:22 So I think it's unfair to characterize it that way.
10:37:40:13 She referred to the homes being 30-foot high.
10:37:43:03 They are approximately 21-foot high at the eaves which
10:37:47:09 is actually slightly less than your typical two-story
10:37:50:12 home.
10:37:57:06 Again, you know, the reason that he did the attached
10:37:59:18 versus detached which I think he explained that night,
10:38:02:12 was in order to put those garages in the back.
10:38:04:27 You know, there's been a lot of discussion about the
10:38:09:18 Neighborhood Association, the president of the
10:38:10:09 Neighborhood Association was there that night and one
10:38:12:16 of the comments that he made and I think it's important
10:38:14:24 to remember is, this is how I believe the city wants
10:38:18:18 Neighborhood Associations to work, you know.
10:38:21:13 They took a vote of their entire Board of Directors.
10:38:23:15 They polled the people who had been at the meeting.
10:38:26:21 And again, I mean, they voted unanimously, the board
10:38:30:27 voted unanimously in support of this project.
10:38:33:03 Again, I think this is how the city would like to see
10:38:35:21 these Neighborhood Associations work.
10:38:37:03 So I'm glad to answer any questions.
10:38:38:21 I hope that you'll continue to support this project.
10:38:42:03 >>MARY ALVAREZ: Can you or maybe Mr. Tennison can tell
10:38:47:27 me about the garages?

10:38:50:18 Is there going to be an alley in the back that they are
10:38:52:28 coming in through?
10:38:53:27 Or how do you get to the garages in the back?
10:38:59:01 >> John Tennison, the garages are not in the back.
10:39:03:19 They are approached from Kentucky Avenue.
10:39:05:07 There is no alley in the back.
10:39:07:04 Our initial intent actually had been to try to bring
10:39:13:13 traffic into the back of these units, but that proved
10:39:16:03 to be impossible because of the vacation of that alley
10:39:18:15 that had been done previously.
10:39:20:15 So we do have a -- driveways off of Kentucky Avenue.
10:39:24:04 What I think was being referred to was the fact that
10:39:26:25 these garages are recessed well beyond the front of the
10:39:30:22 building.
10:39:31:06 And you can see from the site plan, they are -- unless
10:39:36:21 you're right in front of the units, you won't see those
10:39:39:07 garages.
10:39:39:21 They are one story.
10:39:41:01 They are not tucked under the two-story structure.
10:39:43:21 So we believe actually defines a considerable break in
10:39:50:25 the facade of that building.
10:39:53:13 You can see the deep shadows here.
10:39:55:13 I mean, you're looking directly into the front of the
10:39:57:19 building.
10:39:58:24 If you're a hundred feet down the street, you won't see

10:40:01:09 the faces of those garages.
10:40:05:13 >>MARY ALVAREZ: How tall is the church steeple?
10:40:08:18 Do you know?
10:40:09:04 >> This is 21 feet, as Andrea mentioned, so we're
10:40:13:24 probably looking at another 12 to 15 feet to the top of
10:40:17:16 the steeple.
10:40:20:01 >>MARY ALVAREZ: Okay.
10:40:20:24 Thank you.
10:40:20:28 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Mr. Tennison, that was what I wanted
10:40:23:12 to do was take a look at the elevations of the houses,
10:40:30:27 and that to me is the most significant part of this
10:40:36:25 presentation is the way -- that what's designed looks
10:40:41:24 and feels.
10:40:43:00 By using design to make it compatible, it looks like it
10:40:48:21 fits in compatibly with the neighborhood like
10:40:52:22 single-family houses.
10:40:53:13 >> Thank you.
10:40:53:24 We believe that it does.
10:40:54:27 We think that it's going to be a significant add to the
10:40:59:22 neighborhood.
10:40:59:28 It certainly is not the fearful town houses that may be
10:41:05:21 located in other places in this neighborhood.
10:41:09:10 >>SHAWN HARRISON: Thank you, Madam Chair.
10:41:11:21 And I agree.
10:41:12:24 A picture is worth a thousand words.

10:41:14:24 And your representation to this board is this is what
10:41:17:25 is going to be constructed.
10:41:19:21 >> That's correct.
10:41:22:18 >>SHAWN HARRISON: I agree with Ms. Saul-Sena.
10:41:25:15 I think that by putting it in this sort of format, it
10:41:28:27 gives us all a little bit better level of comfort than
10:41:32:12 I would have otherwise had.
10:41:34:03 And I think that the neighbors who might be objecting
10:41:38:00 can now look at it, and they may still object, but I
10:41:41:21 think they at least have a little better feel for what
10:41:45:06 is going to be there.
10:41:46:03 And I support Ms. Saul-Sena's ideas that it would be
10:41:50:00 very nice in our rezonings to require some sort of
10:41:54:13 rendition like this for everything because it really
10:41:57:18 helps put it all into context for us.
10:41:59:28 Thank you for bringing that up.
10:42:04:06 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Are you sworn in?
10:42:05:19 >> Yes, I was.
10:42:06:25 >>GWEN MILLER: Would anyone else like to speak?
10:42:09:07 We have a motion and second to close.
10:42:10:18 All in favor of the motion, say aye.
10:42:11:25 [ MOTION CARRIED ]
10:42:12:22 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Just a reminder to Council, there was
10:42:15:00 a lot of testimony at the second public hearing
10:42:16:24 relative to who signed the petitions and what the

10:42:19:09 petitions were and the number of people relative to
10:42:22:03 each side.
10:42:23:00 Just a reminder that whatever the decision Council
10:42:26:15 makes must be based on competent substantial evidence
10:42:29:06 based on testimony that's heard in the record.
10:42:31:07 And again, if Mr. Massey wants to chime in on that.
10:42:35:03 >>MORRIS MASSEY: Sure, Florida laws requires that you
10:42:37:09 base your decision on substantial and competent
10:42:41:12 evidence.
10:42:41:24 The number of neighbors support or don't support a
10:42:44:10 project is not necessarily substantial and competent
10:42:46:13 evidence.
10:42:46:27 Compatibility is.
10:42:56:18 >>ROSE FERLITA: At this point, we had so many
10:42:58:09 renditions of the petition, I'm not sure what they are.
10:43:00:21 I don't think I'll use that as my criteria.
10:43:02:18 I agree with you on the compatibility issue, though.
10:43:05:09 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I would like to make a motion to
10:43:07:27 read this for second reading.
10:43:12:00 >>GWEN MILLER: Mr. Harrison.
10:43:14:06 >>SHAWN HARRISON: Move an ordinance rezoning property
10:43:15:18 in the general vicinity of 919 West Kentucky Avenue in
10:43:19:06 the City of Tampa, Florida, and more particularly
10:43:21:13 described in section 1 from zoning district
10:43:23:15 classifications RS-60, residential single-family, to

10:43:26:27 PD, single-family attached, providing an effective
10:43:28:27 date.
10:43:29:12 >>GWEN MILLER: Motion and second.
10:43:31:07 Question on the motion.
10:43:32:04 Ms. Alvarez.
10:43:33:18 >>MARY ALVAREZ: I'm not going to be able to support
10:43:35:18 this this time.
10:43:37:19 I don't think it's compatible to this neighborhood.
10:43:41:18 You look across the street from this, they are all
10:43:46:04 single-family, one-story home bungalows, really.
10:43:48:13 And I think that this project is just too heavy for
10:43:54:12 this little neighborhood.
10:43:57:24 And I like the idea of putting the lofts and doing
10:44:01:03 something with the church, but it's just going to
10:44:05:12 change the face of this neighborhood.
10:44:10:00 And I just can't -- I just can't support it at this
10:44:13:18 time.
10:44:15:16 >>ROSE FERLITA: Madam Chairman, thank you.
10:44:17:12 Ms. Zelman, I think your presentation was very
10:44:19:15 thoughtful and comprehensive.
10:44:20:18 I don't think anybody else could have done a better job
10:44:23:18 representing what your client wants to do.
10:44:25:07 I think it's very well done, very tastefully done.
10:44:27:24 I think the camouflaging is great about the attached or
10:44:30:22 detached but it's attached nonetheless.

10:44:32:27 And my position is the same as it's been at the on-set
10:44:35:24 of this request.
10:44:36:21 I think that still, although it's a nice project, it
10:44:39:15 goes against the fiber of the compatibility of the
10:44:42:27 neighborhood, so I am going to continue not to support
10:44:45:18 it.
10:44:46:01 I'm very sorry.
10:44:46:24 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: This is a very difficult decision.
10:44:49:21 The night of the hearing, we had a great number of
10:44:51:27 people, and we heard a lot of testimony.
10:44:53:28 And the reason that I'm going to support this is
10:44:59:06 because of the very careful and thoughtful
10:45:01:07 architectural design in the proposed single-family
10:45:07:03 attached town houses, the fact that they are two
10:45:09:27 stories, not three.
10:45:10:21 The fact that they reflect some of the design of the
10:45:14:03 church.
10:45:14:15 And I will not -- I'm sure Council will not -- take
10:45:17:27 this as a precedent for town houses in the
10:45:20:00 neighborhood.
10:45:20:15 This is a unique situation where we have this historic
10:45:23:27 church with very fine traditional architecture and this
10:45:27:19 is part of a very specific project to allow the
10:45:32:00 re-doing of the church.
10:45:34:01 For that reason, I will support this.

10:45:35:15 >>GWEN MILLER: We have a motion and second.
10:45:38:15 Roll call vote.
10:45:39:27 Vote and record.
10:45:48:06 >>CLERK: The motion carried with Alvarez and Ferlita
10:45:51:06 voting no and Dingfelder being absent.
10:45:53:07 >>GWEN MILLER: Is there anyone in the public like to
10:45:55:03 speak on item 43?
10:45:57:06 We have a motion and second to close.
10:45:58:18 All in favor of the motion, aye.
10:45:59:24 [ MOTION CARRIED ]
10:46:00:15 Ms. Saul-Sena, would you read 43?
10:46:02:24 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: No.
10:46:05:09 >>KEVIN WHITE: Move to adopt the following ordinance
10:46:07:28 upon second reading.
10:46:09:12 Move an ordinance rezoning property in the general
10:46:10:22 vicinity of 2506 North 58th Street in the City of
10:46:13:10 Tampa, Florida, and more particularly described in
10:46:16:13 section 1 from zoning district classifications RM-16,
10:46:21:04 residential multifamily to IG, industrial general,
10:46:23:18 providing an effective date.
10:46:23:28 >>GWEN MILLER: Vote and record.
10:46:30:15 >>CLERK: Motion carried with Dingfelder being absent
10:46:32:24 and Saul-Sena voting no.
10:46:35:03 >>GWEN MILLER: Anyone in the public like to speak on
10:46:36:27 item 44?

10:46:38:00 We have a motion to close.
10:46:39:06 All in favor of the motion, aye.
10:46:40:24 [ MOTION CARRIED ]
10:46:41:24 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Move an ordinance rezoning property
10:46:44:13 in the general vicinity of 1322 East Conover Street in
10:46:47:24 the City of Tampa, Florida, and more particularly
10:46:49:28 described in section 1 from zoning district
10:46:51:27 classifications RS-60, residential single-family, to
10:46:55:06 RS-50, residential single-family, providing an
10:46:57:22 effective date.
10:47:00:28 >>GWEN MILLER: We have a motion and second.
10:47:02:24 Roll call vote.
10:47:03:27 Vote and record.
10:47:12:24 >>CLERK: Motion carried with Dingfelder being absent.
10:47:14:24 >>GWEN MILLER: Is there anyone in the public like to
10:47:16:16 speak on item 45?
10:47:18:15 We have a motion and second to close.
10:47:19:27 All in favor of the motion, aye.
10:47:21:03 [ MOTION CARRIED ]
10:47:22:00 Ms. Ferlita, would you read 45, please.
10:47:24:28 >>ROSE FERLITA: Move an ordinance rezoning property in
10:47:26:18 the general vicinity of 2703 West Columbus Drive in the
10:47:30:06 City of Tampa, Florida, more particularly described in
10:47:32:27 section 1 from zoning district classifications RS-50
10:47:36:03 residential single-family to PD, professional office,

10:47:39:00 providing an effective date.
10:47:39:10 >>GWEN MILLER: We have a motion and second.
10:47:41:00 Roll call vote.
10:47:42:03 Vote and record.
10:47:46:03 >>CLERK: Motion carried with Dingfelder being absent.
10:47:48:21 >>GWEN MILLER: Item number 46 was a continued public
10:47:51:21 hearing.
10:47:52:12 Do we have anyone going to speak, staff, anyone going
10:47:55:15 to speak on this one?
10:47:57:19 >>CLERK: Item number 46 needs to be removed from the
10:48:00:00 agenda since Council had denied it on October 20th.
10:48:02:12 >>GWEN MILLER: We have a motion and second.
10:48:03:24 All in favor of the motion, aye.
10:48:05:00 [ MOTION CARRIED ]
10:48:05:21 Is there anyone in the public going to speak on item 47
10:48:10:04 or 48, would you please stand and raise your right
10:48:13:27 hand.
10:48:15:24 (Oath administered by the clerk).
10:48:23:22 >>GWEN MILLER: 47 is a continued public hearing.
10:48:25:12 >>CLERK: On item number 47, you do have a memo from
10:48:28:15 Cynthia miller requesting a 60-day continuance.
10:48:31:27 >>KEVIN WHITE: So moved.
10:48:33:09 >> Second.
10:48:33:21 >>CLERK: That would be roughly January 5th which is
10:48:36:03 your first meeting for coming back after the holidays.

10:48:38:13 >>GWEN MILLER: 10 a.m.
10:48:39:24 Mr. Shelby?
10:48:41:10 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Is there anybody who wishes to speak
10:48:43:21 to the continuance in the audience?
10:48:46:03 >>GWEN MILLER: Anybody who wants to speak to item 47 on
10:48:48:09 the continuance?
10:48:49:18 You have a motion and second to continue to January the
10:48:51:25 7th -- January the 5th, all in favor of the motion,
10:48:55:21 at 10 a.m.
10:48:58:00 All in favor of the motion, say aye.
10:48:59:15 [ MOTION CARRIED ]
10:49:00:06 Item 48, continued public hearing.
10:49:26:18 >> Heather Lamboy, I have been sworn, Land Development
10:49:30:15 division.
10:49:32:00 Great pleasure to present this case.
10:49:33:15 It's not too often that you present a case in which you
10:49:36:12 have no objections to.
10:49:37:12 And this case I have no objections to.
10:49:40:01 I'll make my staff comments short and sweet.
10:49:43:12 The project is located at the intersection of Habana
10:49:44:15 and Haya.
10:49:46:16 And it is a large project that currently is zoned
10:49:50:25 residential and PD office use.
10:49:54:28 As you can tell, the site has quite a few trees, and
10:49:59:09 the petitioner is proposing development of 19 town

10:50:02:13 house units on the site.
10:50:05:24 The proposed development will include those town home
10:50:08:03 units, each unit will have two enclosed parking spaces
10:50:11:07 in the garage.
10:50:12:00 Access to the property will be via one-way drive from
10:50:15:13 Habana Street through the property and exiting on Haya.
10:50:18:12 The site has been carefully designed around grand trees
10:50:21:06 which has been identified on-site and immediately
10:50:23:27 adjacent to the site.
10:50:25:27 Guest parking has been provided.
10:50:27:10 This case has been continued from the October 20th
10:50:29:12 hearing to address some very minor technical issues
10:50:32:00 which were all addressed.
10:50:34:12 So, therefore, staff has no objections.
10:50:36:28 And defers to the petitioner.
10:50:38:21 >>GWEN MILLER: Petitioner?
10:50:51:19 >> My name is Russell Versaggi.
10:50:54:18 I'm the owner of urban edge development group, 511
10:50:59:03 South Westland Avenue here in Tampa.
10:51:02:12 Just give you a very brief history of the project.
10:51:07:22 In February we contracted to purchase this parcel, and
10:51:13:15 first thing we understood was there was not a
10:51:16:24 homeowners or Neighborhood Association, so we went door
10:51:19:09 to door in the neighborhood with a letter introducing
10:51:22:28 our company and site plans and elevations of proposed

10:51:29:01 22 unit project and handed it out, got positive
10:51:35:28 feedback from the neighbors.
10:51:39:13 And from that point, we've moved forward, worked
10:51:42:13 closely with Heather and Melanie in transportation.
10:51:46:25 We ended up reducing the site down from 22 units to 19
10:51:51:22 units.
10:51:53:16 And we did so in a very sensitive way to the grand
10:51:58:25 trees and just to the site in general as well as to the
10:52:02:06 neighbors and think that we've done a nice job for an
10:52:06:27 area that is redeveloping.
10:52:10:00 We hope that we'll be part of the catalyst that starts
10:52:14:01 to redevelop this part of West Tampa.
10:52:18:18 Our target audience or market, rather, for these town
10:52:21:22 homes would be some of the younger professionals that
10:52:24:19 work at St. Joe's Hospital and up and down Habana
10:52:28:16 Avenue that there are so many diagnostic centers up and
10:52:31:12 down there that we hope that we'll be able to get
10:52:33:24 first-time home buyers for this product.
10:52:37:06 But as Heather pointed out, we worked around a lot of
10:52:41:15 the trees and contacted the neighbors and did things as
10:52:45:24 proactively as we could without a Neighborhood
10:52:48:00 Association.
10:52:50:21 And I'll turn it over to my architect and wife, so she
10:52:57:03 can explain further.
10:52:58:15 >> To we have a pointer?

10:53:02:24 >>KEVIN WHITE: It's a beautiful project.
10:53:07:04 Mr. Versaggi, I didn't mean to interrupt your project,
10:53:10:22 I just want to tell you, I think it's a wonderful
10:53:13:03 project.
10:53:13:09 I know you've worked with the neighborhood.
10:53:15:06 I had a couple of calls on it, and I had thumbs up and
10:53:17:24 we haven't heard any complaints.
10:53:19:07 I was just going to say I think all the Council
10:53:21:25 members, brevity, if there's no one in the audience, I
10:53:24:12 think we're ready to go, one way or the other.
10:53:28:09 >>SHAWN HARRISON: Unless you just want to talk.
10:53:30:03 >>MARY ALVAREZ: Just a comment, too, Mr. Versaggi.
10:53:33:24 I'm really excited about this.
10:53:36:00 I know exactly where this site is, and it's -- it
10:53:41:12 needed help, and I thank you for that.
10:53:44:27 When you were talking about the for young professional
10:53:50:10 and everything like that, were you talking about
10:53:54:09 workforce housing?
10:53:56:28 >> Well, we hope these preconstruction pricing will be
10:53:59:06 in the mid 200s.
10:54:02:00 >>MARY ALVAREZ: That's not workforce.
10:54:04:15 >> It's probably -- these are nice town homes.
10:54:06:12 These will be, you know, approximately 1400-plus square
10:54:12:28 feet, heated, two-car garages.
10:54:16:00 You know, we think that there are people that are

10:54:19:25 younger couples that, you know, maybe before children,
10:54:23:24 before kids that both working, both two incomes that
10:54:27:06 would be able to qualify for this.
10:54:28:16 And we actually have a very good lender in this case
10:54:35:03 that's allowing us to consider contracts with as low as
10:54:38:15 5% money put down on the contract, which is a little
10:54:43:21 bit unprecedented today with the way that things are.
10:54:49:00 With building costs and stuff increasing as they have
10:54:51:18 and labor costs, I hate to say, this is minimum entry
10:54:56:15 level housing.
10:54:57:06 These are a little bit nicer than entry level.
10:54:59:22 But we hope to get first-time home buyers.
10:55:02:18 That's who we are targeting.
10:55:04:15 >>MARY ALVAREZ: Good.
10:55:05:06 Well, thank you very much for bringing the project.
10:55:07:12 >> We're excited about it as well.
10:55:09:03 >> Thank you.
10:55:09:09 >>ROSE FERLITA: Mr. Versaggi, it seems like the
10:55:12:03 sentiment here is we don't want to deny you the
10:55:14:15 opportunity not to give up that microphone, but I think
10:55:16:27 you spent some quality time with us a Thursday not too
10:55:20:03 long ago, this is a project that certainly is pleasing
10:55:23:03 to me and I'm certainly supportive of it and I get the
10:55:25:27 sense that just about everybody else is too.
10:55:27:18 >>GWEN MILLER: Is there anyone in the public that would

10:55:29:18 like to speak on number 48?
10:55:31:09 We have a motion and second to close.
10:55:32:25 All in favor of the motion, aye.
10:55:34:09 [ MOTION CARRIED ]
10:55:35:12 Ms. Alvarez.
10:55:37:15 >>MARY ALVAREZ: Goody.
10:55:37:24 Thank you.
10:55:39:16 Move an ordinance rezoning property in the general
10:55:41:15 vicinity of 2901 West Haya Street in the City of Tampa,
10:55:45:06 Florida, more particularly described in section 1 from
10:55:47:12 zoning district classifications RS-50, residential
10:55:50:13 single-family and PD, office to PD single-family
10:55:52:28 attached, providing an effective date.
10:55:54:25 >>GWEN MILLER: We have a motion and second.
10:55:56:12 All in favor of the motion, aye.
10:55:57:21 [ MOTION CARRIED ]
10:55:58:09 We were holding number 20.
10:56:02:21 We have Justin here.
10:56:11:15 >> Justin Vaske, Legal Department.
10:56:13:03 This is in reference to item 20 on the agenda.
10:56:15:25 This is a simple amendment to the -- it extends the
10:56:23:21 hours Hillsborough County students can use the parking
10:56:26:25 garage from 6 p.m. to 9 p.m.
10:56:28:15 On Saturdays as well as through the weekdays.
10:56:32:25 And the reasoning behind that is that there were some

10:56:35:21 classes that related to bail bonds and recovery agent
10:56:40:22 courses that students needed to attend and they simply
10:56:43:09 wanted to extend the hours for parking.
10:56:45:18 >>MARY ALVAREZ: Thank you very much.
10:56:47:09 >>SHAWN HARRISON: I move item 20.
10:56:49:12 >>GWEN MILLER: All in favor of the motion, aye.
10:56:50:27 [ MOTION CARRIED ]
10:56:51:21 Now we'll go to our information for Council members.
10:56:54:04 Ms. Saul-Sena, do you have anything?
10:56:55:18 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Thank you, Madam Chairman, not for
10:56:57:18 myself but for John Dingfelder, a motion to present
10:57:00:27 Carson H. Holten with a commendation at his eagle scout
10:57:05:18 ceremony which takes place Monday, November 14.
10:57:08:09 >>GWEN MILLER: All in favor, aye.
10:57:09:16 [ MOTION CARRIED ]
10:57:11:03 Anything else?
10:57:11:27 Mr. Harrison.
10:57:12:15 >>SHAWN HARRISON: Thank you, Madam Chair, I would like
10:57:14:15 next week to ask for the administration to come in,
10:57:17:16 give us an update on the faith-based initiative program
10:57:20:09 that we have -- we voted on this year just to see where
10:57:24:09 we are.
10:57:24:25 We do have private sector involvement, and we need to
10:57:28:04 be able to advise them when we'll expect them to help
10:57:30:24 out.

10:57:32:10 >>GWEN MILLER: We have a motion and second.
10:57:33:19 All in favor of the motion, aye.
10:57:34:21 [ MOTION CARRIED ]
10:57:35:09 Anything else?
10:57:35:25 >>SHAWN HARRISON: Yes, thank you, Madam Chair.
10:57:37:07 On the same line, I think that our community has
10:57:43:04 recently been stunned by the actions of the School
10:57:46:12 Board in removing references to religious holidays from
10:57:50:12 the school calendar.
10:57:52:06 As a parent of a public school student, I'm personally
10:57:55:09 offended by that.
10:57:57:21 I am disappointed in our elected leaders at the School
10:58:01:03 Board for taking that action.
10:58:03:13 This -- typically I don't weigh in on what other
10:58:06:18 governmental boards do, but I am -- I feel very
10:58:12:13 strongly about this issue.
10:58:13:16 I have an 8-year-old daughter in the public school
10:58:17:01 system, and I want her to experience a school calendar
10:58:23:21 that recognizes religious holidays, not only her own
10:58:26:15 Christian holidays, but those of other religions, like
10:58:29:10 Yom Kippur and Hanukkah and things like that that she
10:58:33:25 doesn't get to personally experience in her own
10:58:36:12 religious life, but I think that it is important that
10:58:38:09 we recognize that that is a part of our heritage as a
10:58:44:04 nation.

10:58:44:21 I think what we saw last week is political correctness
10:58:49:09 run amok.
10:58:50:10 I think it was sensibility losing out to sensitivity.
10:58:55:04 And I think that we have reached a point in our society
10:58:58:18 as a whole where the greatest sin that anyone can
10:59:01:16 commit anymore is to offend someone else.
10:59:04:09 We don't -- we shrink from teaching right and wrong.
10:59:09:21 We shrink away from standing up for our principles
10:59:11:28 because we think that it might offend somebody.
10:59:14:09 So better to offend everyone by not mentioning
10:59:18:12 something than to run the risk of offending anyone.
10:59:21:22 And I think that's exactly what the School Board has
10:59:24:18 done.
10:59:25:00 We don't -- we don't call Christmas break Christmas
10:59:28:12 break anymore.
10:59:29:01 We call it winter break.
10:59:30:21 We can't reference Easter or good Friday.
10:59:33:10 These are now spring days.
10:59:34:22 We can't mention Hanukkah or Yom Kippur, it's too
10:59:38:19 controversial.
10:59:39:18 We wonder why our schools are struggling, and I think
10:59:42:24 our schools are struggling because we're getting away
10:59:46:16 from teaching right and wrong.
10:59:48:10 We're getting away from recognizing the heritage, the
10:59:52:03 history of our country, and I just think that this is

10:59:55:15 something that has touched me personally, and I would
10:59:57:24 like to see the School Board revisit this.
11:00:00:13 This was a decision that they made of very little
11:00:04:15 practical significance, but it was a decision of huge
11:00:07:16 symbolic significance.
11:00:09:21 And I would like to ask the School Board to reconsider
11:00:13:24 their decision at their meeting next week.
11:00:17:09 I think it was wrong.
11:00:18:06 I think it should be reversed, and I would like us to
11:00:23:12 take a stand for recognizing the Judeo-Christian
11:00:29:03 heritage of this community, of this nation and ask the
11:00:33:21 School Board to revisit that decision.
11:00:35:00 So that's in the form of a motion, Madam Chair.
11:00:39:12 >>GWEN MILLER: Is there a second?
11:00:43:09 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I don't want to second the motion,
11:00:46:15 but I would like to speak to the thing.
11:00:50:10 I had an opportunity to chat with Tom Gonzalez about
11:00:52:25 this.
11:00:53:09 Tom Gonzalez is the attorney for the School Board, and
11:00:56:21 he's a former attorney for the City of Tampa during, I
11:01:01:09 think, Mayor Freedman's administration.
11:01:06:18 And we discussed the philosophical underpinnings that
11:01:11:00 he brought to this, and I thought that there were --
11:01:17:07 they were thoughtfully engaged in and I think that he's
11:01:20:15 a very excellent attorney and the School Board heeded

11:01:23:16 his advice, and I would support it too.
11:01:28:06 I think that our public schools are so tremendously
11:01:31:03 important to this community and the thoughtfulness that
11:01:35:24 they brought to this conversation, the recognition that
11:01:41:06 their role in our community is to educate and not to
11:01:45:19 enter into questions of religion is appropriate.
11:01:49:10 And I support the School Board action.
11:01:51:06 I support the advice of their attorney, Mr. Gonzalez,
11:01:54:18 and I don't think it's appropriate for City Council to
11:01:57:15 weigh in on this.
11:01:58:13 I just have to add one other thing.
11:02:01:03 I'm taking a course called knowledge and power.
11:02:04:10 And we read John Wok whose writings formed the
11:02:10:13 underpinning of this country.
11:02:12:03 And he said we really need -- the healthiest countries
11:02:15:03 have religion and also have secular government.
11:02:18:00 And I believe that he was on the right path when our
11:02:21:10 forefathers used his ideas to form the undergirdings of
11:02:26:21 our Declaration of Independence and our Constitution
11:02:29:06 that they were on the right path.
11:02:30:12 >>KEVIN WHITE: Madam Chair, thank you.
11:02:34:03 I will second the motion, and the reason for my
11:02:37:00 hesitation for seconding the motion is I just don't see
11:02:41:18 the realization of what our making that motion, I don't
11:02:47:03 know if that's going to really have any significance on

11:02:49:10 another elected body.
11:02:51:15 Because I was thinking what would they do in the form
11:02:54:12 of a motion that's not going to make us do anything.
11:02:58:06 But maybe in the spirit of I guess what the motion is
11:03:00:21 intended I guess it would send a clear message of maybe
11:03:03:16 what the Council is thinking.
11:03:06:28 In lieu of what Ms. Saul-Sena said, the public school
11:03:10:15 system is about education.
11:03:13:15 Education should be first.
11:03:15:18 We need to educate each and everyone in our community
11:03:21:00 about the diversity of each one's culture.
11:03:23:15 If we eliminate diversity, if we eliminate culture, no
11:03:28:19 one knows what spring day is.
11:03:30:24 No one knows what -- when you have Hanukkah, you have
11:03:36:24 Kwanzaa, you have Christmas, each and every one of our
11:03:40:18 cultures celebrates something differently.
11:03:44:09 And if those differences aren't aired, aren't
11:03:49:03 articulated, aren't put on the table, no one else knows
11:03:53:24 what anyone else's culture does.
11:03:56:01 And I just think from Tampa being such a diverse
11:04:00:28 melting pot that it is, we all need to know and learn
11:04:06:09 about each other because we deal with each other on a
11:04:10:16 daily basis.
11:04:11:15 Also, it's one of the things, further along with
11:04:14:13 education, the home schooling issue.

11:04:17:04 Home schooling is a wonderful thing for a certain sect,
11:04:20:10 but by the same token, if you're in that same
11:04:23:04 environment all the time, you're not exposed to other
11:04:25:24 cultures.
11:04:26:18 You're not exposed to other people.
11:04:29:04 You're not exposed to different dialects.
11:04:31:15 And I think exposure is education, and education needs
11:04:35:25 to be about learning about your surroundings.
11:04:39:13 All the people that surround you and their ideals,
11:04:44:00 beliefs, and not that you believe and/or agree, but I
11:04:48:06 think the exposure is an education in itself.
11:04:52:18 And we have so many cultures in our society, I think we
11:04:57:10 just need to learn as much as we can about each other
11:05:00:06 to be able to be connected and have some sort of
11:05:05:27 identity and find out what someone else's beliefs are.
11:05:10:03 And I will second the motion on that.
11:05:15:03 >>MARY ALVAREZ: Thank you, Madam Chairman.
11:05:17:25 I won't support this motion, simply because I did talk
11:05:24:06 to a couple of the School Board members, and they gave
11:05:27:22 me their insight as to why they did this.
11:05:31:03 And it is all about education.
11:05:33:09 And I could be offended because they did remove good
11:05:37:03 Friday, being a Catholic, but I think that what would
11:05:44:00 really -- what really stuck with me was the fact that
11:05:47:00 the School Board is giving each parent and each child

11:05:51:07 the opportunity to take that day off, whatever holiday
11:05:57:16 it is, whatever occasion it is to either go to school
11:06:03:12 or go to church or whatever.
11:06:07:18 Being -- and I probably put my foot in my mouth here,
11:06:10:19 but being a Catholic, good Friday is a very, very
11:06:14:21 important day for us, but I would venture to say a lot
11:06:18:09 of people will take that day and not go to church.
11:06:25:03 So I think that giving -- the School Board giving the
11:06:29:07 parents and the children the opportunity to take those
11:06:31:18 days is a step in the right direction.
11:06:36:10 It's not that we're taking God out of anything.
11:06:39:01 It's just a thing they need to -- they need to focus on
11:06:45:27 education.
11:06:46:06 This is the most important thing for us right now.
11:06:48:15 And I just can't support this.
11:06:54:06 And I think Ms. Saul-Sena is right.
11:06:56:06 It's not up to us to tell.
11:06:58:09 The School Board is their own board.
11:06:59:21 I would be offended if they came and told us something
11:07:02:06 about what we're doing.
11:07:05:04 So I won't support that.
11:07:07:13 >>ROSE FERLITA: Madam Chairman, I think we all know
11:07:09:24 that within the realm and the purview of what we have
11:07:12:01 to vote on and consider day by day, week by week, we're
11:07:16:15 always subject to some criticism, no matter if we vote

11:07:18:28 for or against something.
11:07:21:15 Taking that same issue that every other legislative
11:07:23:13 board has, I think this is the situation with the
11:07:25:21 School Board.
11:07:26:03 I think they are under some wonderful leadership.
11:07:28:18 I've had the opportunity to have one-on-one
11:07:31:18 conversations with Mary Ellen ELIA and I think this was
11:07:35:04 a situation that was their call.
11:07:38:27 I don't think that their call was prompted by looking
11:07:41:13 at one person of one denominational belief versus
11:07:45:12 another critically.
11:07:50:04 But I think their situation in the educational system
11:07:52:27 now more than ever and I've been involved in that for
11:07:55:03 obvious reasons more than I have, perhaps, in the past.
11:07:57:24 It's an awakening process to me.
11:07:59:27 They are looking at issues like deficits over the next
11:08:02:10 five years, 364 concurrency coming on board in 2008.
11:08:05:27 They have a lot to deal with.
11:08:07:27 And I don't think that it is our position to tell them
11:08:11:03 what they should or should not have done.
11:08:13:01 I think the issue is that I think they did it for the
11:08:15:09 right reasons.
11:08:16:00 Perhaps they thought if they went forward with this,
11:08:18:07 something else would come up and involve another day
11:08:20:18 that they specifically had to put aside.

11:08:22:22 The educational system is struggling.
11:08:24:19 I think in their effort to focus on education and try
11:08:27:12 to make what the system is better than it is now, they
11:08:30:18 did what they did.
11:08:31:24 Whether I agree with it personally or whether I agree
11:08:33:28 with it as part of this board is really not part and
11:08:36:18 parcel to what the school system has to do.
11:08:39:09 I think they've gotten enough feedback from their
11:08:42:18 constituents.
11:08:43:04 I think they've gotten some comments from some of the
11:08:45:18 county commissioners.
11:08:46:09 Some I agree with and some I certainly do not.
11:08:49:00 But I think if they want to look at it again, they'll
11:08:51:03 do that.
11:08:52:09 I don't think it's our responsibility or our position
11:08:54:19 to send them a message.
11:08:55:27 I certainly can agree with Mr. Harrison.
11:08:59:21 I think my being a Catholic doesn't make me any better
11:09:03:15 or any worse than any Baptist or anybody of any
11:09:06:01 religion that I know and interact with.
11:09:07:28 But at the same time, I think we're getting into an
11:09:09:24 area that does not involve us as a legislative body.
11:09:12:06 I think personally, if each or any Council member wants
11:09:15:18 to send them a letter telling them they support what
11:09:17:28 they did or they don't support what they did, I think

11:09:20:12 that's a free option for each of us.
11:09:22:09 But I don't think this is the direction this board
11:09:24:00 should go in.
11:09:24:24 And for those reasons, I'm not going to support the
11:09:27:18 motion either.
11:09:29:21 >>GWEN MILLER: I agree with Mr. Harrison, but I know
11:09:32:00 the School Board members are listening to us, and I
11:09:34:18 think they are going to take your advice, Mr. Harrison
11:09:36:27 and look at it again.
11:09:38:03 Because like most of us say, school is for educating
11:09:42:06 our students.
11:09:43:06 And they have a lot of days out of school now, and I
11:09:45:21 think that's why the School Board was looking at this.
11:09:47:21 And there are going to be other days that they have to
11:09:50:25 be out.
11:09:51:21 Hurricanes that they take days off.
11:09:53:21 And they are looking at how days should be spent and
11:09:56:15 how many days students are out of school and missing
11:09:58:18 school.
11:09:58:27 When you miss school, you are missing part of your
11:10:01:15 education.
11:10:03:12 I think we're sending them a message that we feel like
11:10:05:25 it should be looked at again.
11:10:07:09 And I think they might hear us and go ahead and look at
11:10:09:22 it again.

11:10:10:07 Mr. Harrison.
11:10:10:24 >>SHAWN HARRISON: Madam Chair, and thank you.
11:10:12:15 And I hear everyone and I appreciate everybody's
11:10:14:18 comments.
11:10:15:07 And Mr. White I think had the most salient point.
11:10:20:03 Education is about learning about people and histories
11:10:24:24 and cultures that are different than yours.
11:10:28:25 And how will Christian children or Jewish children or
11:10:36:07 Muslim children know about different religious cultures
11:10:39:24 and traditions if there is nothing on the calendar that
11:10:44:07 gives any sort of indication about why you're taking a
11:10:47:21 day off.
11:10:50:06 I think that we are greatly strengthened in this
11:10:54:12 community by our diversity.
11:10:55:12 I think our young people are strengthened by learning
11:10:57:06 that there are different religious cultures that we
11:10:59:21 should all respect.
11:11:01:18 And by removing it from the calendar and just saying,
11:11:06:06 we're not going to talk about it at all, that's more
11:11:10:00 respectful than recognizing those of the others.
11:11:13:09 I just don't agree with that sentiment.
11:11:15:06 And I do think that the more the School Board hears
11:11:20:15 from people in this community, elected officials in
11:11:23:12 this community, the more likely they will be to revisit
11:11:26:21 this decision.

11:11:27:28 I think it's important that we do speak.
11:11:31:04 And I would urge my colleagues to support it.
11:11:33:15 The School Board weighs in on the things that we do.
11:11:35:24 They weigh in on zoning petitions.
11:11:38:03 We asked for their advice.
11:11:40:15 When we undertake our jobs, and we have the right to
11:11:45:04 speak as parents.
11:11:47:18 If we have children in the school system and as elected
11:11:51:03 officials.
11:11:51:19 I think it's our responsibility sometimes to speak.
11:11:54:06 So I would encourage my colleagues to support the
11:11:57:18 motion, and I appreciate the opportunity to speak
11:11:59:22 today.
11:12:00:18 >>ROSE FERLITA: Just one quick thing.
11:12:04:01 I don't have to reiterate my position, it's the same
11:12:07:00 and I said why I'm not supporting it.
11:12:08:24 If those parents in our community want to have their
11:12:11:07 children learn about the diversities of other
11:12:13:12 religions, et cetera, I think that that education with
11:12:15:27 all due respect, Mr. Harrison, begins in the home.
11:12:19:21 I think the parents ought to make it their point, their
11:12:22:06 responsibility to explain to their children why people
11:12:24:18 practice in different ways and manners and let them
11:12:27:22 know about the diversity, but not -- the school system
11:12:30:21 has enough issues than for us to tell them what they

11:12:33:21 should or should not do.
11:12:34:27 >>GWEN MILLER: We have a motion and second on the
11:12:38:13 floor.
11:12:39:03 All in favor, aye.
11:12:40:06 Opposed, nay.
11:12:43:21 >>CLERK: Saul-Sena, Miller, Alvarez, Ferlita --
11:12:45:00 [INAUDIBLE].
11:12:47:09 >>GWEN MILLER: Anything else, Mr. Harrison?
11:12:48:21 >>SHAWN HARRISON: No, ma'am.
11:12:49:15 >>MARY ALVAREZ: Last Friday, I attended the workforce
11:12:55:12 housing symposium that was given by the Tampa Bay
11:13:00:22 regional planning Council in Tampa, and I saw
11:13:04:28 Ms. Saul-Sena was there for a little while.
11:13:07:21 Then she had to go.
11:13:08:19 And Cathy Coyle was there, Heather Lamboy, Desiree and
11:13:15:18 myself were there.
11:13:16:09 I tell you, we had a quality, quality panels that came
11:13:19:21 to talk to us from all phases of the community, law,
11:13:24:07 banking, people from out of state, and they all gave us
11:13:29:19 insight as to the problems on workforce housing.
11:13:35:06 And we're calling it workforce housing because the
11:13:39:10 problems are trying to find -- that's why I was asking
11:13:42:07 Mr. Versaggi about this, quality and affordable homes
11:13:51:00 for the workforce.
11:13:51:22 And the moderator was simply fabulous.

11:13:56:04 He was really good.
11:13:57:06 And we finished about 4:00.
11:14:00:27 We started at 8:30.
11:14:02:19 Finished at 4:00.
11:14:03:22 And a lot of things were brought out into the open.
11:14:07:09 A lot of discussion, a lot of ideas, and I think that
11:14:13:18 it was one of the better seminars that I have ever been
11:14:17:10 to.
11:14:17:24 And if you want to see what's going on and I think
11:14:22:28 there's probably going to be some follow-ups to this
11:14:27:12 with the regional planning Council, but you can see it
11:14:30:06 on their web site.
11:14:31:28 I believe all of it has been put on the web site as to
11:14:35:21 what happened.
11:14:36:07 But I encourage everybody that's really into workforce
11:14:40:18 housing and affordable, that this was -- I want to say
11:14:44:21 and reiterate again that this was really one of the
11:14:48:06 best.
11:14:49:00 Sorry you all missed it.
11:14:51:06 That's it.
11:14:51:15 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Thank you, Ms. Alvarez, for
11:14:54:00 encouraging us to go.
11:14:55:03 It was fascinating.
11:14:56:12 And I know that the city is going to be doing something
11:14:58:19 about this.

11:14:59:24 What I'd like to do is ask you because you are sort of
11:15:04:24 a leader in this to find out when and then schedule a
11:15:07:10 presentation for all of Council when the city figures
11:15:09:12 out what we're going to do to incentivize the public to
11:15:14:00 create affordable housing for the people in our
11:15:16:15 community.
11:15:16:19 >>MARY ALVAREZ: Thank you for bringing that up.
11:15:19:10 I think Cathy is already working on a presentation on
11:15:22:04 this.
11:15:22:16 And Heather, she raised one of the questions that they
11:15:26:01 thought was a quality question.
11:15:27:12 So I was real proud of you.
11:15:31:22 So they are working on these things and to do a
11:15:35:19 presentation for us.
11:15:36:12 And when they get everything ready, I'll make a motion
11:15:39:10 that they come up to talk to us.
11:15:42:00 >>GWEN MILLER: Anything else?
11:15:43:00 >>MARY ALVAREZ: No, that's it.
11:15:44:03 >>GWEN MILLER: Ms. Ferlita.
11:15:44:24 >>ROSE FERLITA: Madam Chairman, thank you.
11:15:46:10 As probably all of you have received, I received an
11:15:49:09 e-mail from constituent David Fermanski basically
11:15:55:24 referring to something that looks like it's a concept
11:15:59:01 that Mr. Chuck Walters is out there talking about,
11:16:03:15 special assessment district for canal dredging and

11:16:06:06 cleanup.
11:16:07:04 I would wonder, perhaps, if he had the time to come in
11:16:09:27 next week and let us know about it.
11:16:12:13 I don't know how much you all know about it.
11:16:14:00 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Second.
11:16:14:19 >>ROSE FERLITA: Here we go again.
11:16:15:27 This time he beat the media to it.
11:16:19:07 >>GWEN MILLER: All in favor of the motion, aye.
11:16:20:18 [ MOTION CARRIED ]
11:16:21:21 >>ROSE FERLITA: The second thing is and from my
11:16:23:27 research, I don't mean to offend Ms. Saul-Sena, we
11:16:26:15 talked last week about save our waterway, adopt the
11:16:29:19 waterway type thing, and I understand that
11:16:31:16 Ms. Saul-Sena maybe -- and correct me if I'm wrong --
11:16:34:15 you and the Mayor want to see what one of the signs
11:16:37:01 looked like.
11:16:37:24 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: From my perspective because I wanted
11:16:41:21 to see how much of this thing is covered up with
11:16:44:00 corporate advertising.
11:16:44:27 >>ROSE FERLITA: I'm not sure the appropriate way to
11:16:47:07 observe it would be at the intersection.
11:16:48:19 I saw it this morning and almost hit it and thought,
11:16:51:16 oh, my God, what is this doing here.
11:16:53:16 Mr. Massey, you are the only person here from the Legal
11:16:56:01 Department other than our counsel, is this something

11:16:59:04 already approved by the Legal Department?
11:17:00:27 I think it's a stretch of a governmental sign, whether
11:17:03:01 Mayor Iorio approved it or not and I just wondered
11:17:06:15 where you all were since you were in attendance at our
11:17:09:12 meeting Monday and we were going forward with
11:17:10:25 discussion for next week.
11:17:11:28 >>MORRIS MASSEY: I think it's the understanding of the
11:17:13:28 Legal Department and the administration that these
11:17:15:06 signs should not be permanently erected until Council
11:17:19:09 considers the agreement.
11:17:20:12 I believe that the administration wanted one sign put
11:17:23:04 up just so the Mayor and others could look at it to see
11:17:26:18 how big it was, what it would look like.
11:17:28:24 I think it's coming down immediately, and that would be
11:17:30:28 our advice.
11:17:31:18 >>ROSE FERLITA: Because otherwise, I think we would
11:17:33:25 have been prepared to argue this or discuss this based
11:17:36:00 on what research we've done.
11:17:38:00 So I think if it comes down right away that would be a
11:17:40:16 good thing.
11:17:41:03 Thank you.
11:17:41:13 That's all I have.
11:17:42:13 >>KEVIN WHITE: Thank you, Madam Chair.
11:17:44:22 As far as information, I think this is probably
11:17:47:00 directed more to Ms. Ferlita and the motion she just

11:17:49:09 made which, of course, I supported.
11:17:51:22 In my meeting this week with department heads, I had
11:17:54:12 the opportunity to meet with Steve Daignault who was
11:17:57:28 speaking about the dredging.
11:18:00:28 And like I said, I really want them to come in and
11:18:04:15 speak, but to tell you what I got out of it, what they
11:18:07:16 are doing is going out and asking the residents that
11:18:09:24 are most affected on the canals that need to be dredged
11:18:14:28 to see if they would be interested in participating in
11:18:18:18 the cost in assessing a special tax assessment upon
11:18:24:18 them themselves to have the canals dredged and
11:18:30:13 furthering letting them know that the cost could
11:18:33:03 possibly be reduced by some leftover monies that we do
11:18:35:27 have in the coffers and letting them know what the
11:18:39:10 special assessment would cost them individually and how
11:18:43:27 we could break it down as far as cost to them, whether
11:18:47:13 one-time payment or by actually breaking it down over a
11:18:52:12 period of years on their tax bill.
11:18:54:07 But I'm wholeheartedly in favor of that.
11:18:56:19 >>ROSE FERLITA: And I appreciate the explanation.
11:18:59:13 The point is, Mr. White, like it always is, they are
11:19:02:18 referencing, perhaps -- now, this is all speculation --
11:19:05:18 $8800 per lot owner payable, $600 a year on an
11:19:09:12 assessment.
11:19:10:04 If you get a call from a constituent or run into

11:19:13:00 somebody on the street and they say, what do you think
11:19:14:19 about this?
11:19:15:09 Will be in favor of us approving it and you stand there
11:19:18:04 and say I don't know anything about it.
11:19:19:28 It just doesn't look good from the standpoint of being
11:19:22:13 informed.
11:19:22:24 So the point is the same as it always is.
11:19:25:21 >>KEVIN WHITE: That was all I had, Madam Chair.
11:19:27:06 >>GWEN MILLER: Clerk?
11:19:29:15 >>KEVIN WHITE: Move to receive and file all documents.
11:19:31:18 >>MARY ALVAREZ: Wait a minute, before we go, haven't we
11:19:34:12 talked about the special assessment coming out before.
11:19:38:10 Nothing big, nothing new, right?
11:19:40:09 We have talked about it.
11:19:44:01 I just wanted to make a point there.
11:19:45:18 >>ROSE FERLITA: Here we go again, if Ms. Alvarez is
11:19:48:24 finished, I certainly don't want to interrupt her.
11:19:51:03 >>MARY ALVAREZ: You certainly will.
11:19:53:27 >>ROSE FERLITA: You certainly will.
11:19:56:15 Are you finished?
11:19:57:25 >>MARY ALVAREZ: I'm done.
11:19:59:01 >>ROSE FERLITA: We have talked about the signs in the
11:20:00:18 intersection but we haven't approved them yet.
11:20:02:12 And it seems that the activity is more aggressive now
11:20:04:19 and more constituents are being contacted and we're

11:20:09:01 getting support or lack of support from different
11:20:11:06 people who want to pay this or don't want to pay it.
11:20:13:22 All I'm saying, if it is coming to fruition or close to
11:20:17:15 it or something that the administration is wanting to
11:20:20:24 encourage, then just as a courtesy, we should be
11:20:24:09 informed.
11:20:27:22 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Different topic, but real quick.
11:20:30:10 The other day at lunch, the Florida orchestra played in
11:20:33:03 the park here and last Friday night they played at
11:20:35:12 another downtown park and they are planning a series
11:20:37:13 of, I think, six more concerts in all the different
11:20:40:18 neighborhoods.
11:20:41:01 It was such a glorious experience.
11:20:43:18 I am so proud of this city for helping to support the
11:20:46:00 Florida orchestra.
11:20:47:18 And it's one of those as opposed to controversial
11:20:52:10 issues, it's one of those feel-good issues that truly
11:20:55:06 everyone was smiling and feeling great and the benefit
11:20:57:24 of classical music is just marvelous.
11:21:00:09 It was really well responded to.
11:21:03:21 >>GWEN MILLER: Receive and file again, Mr. White.
11:21:05:25 All in favor of the motion, aye.
11:21:07:03 [ MOTION CARRIED ]
11:21:08:03 Mr. Shelby.
11:21:08:22 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Yes, next week, there's a scheduled

11:21:14:04 workshop regarding the ethics ordinance.
11:21:17:06 That was previously scheduled.
11:21:21:15 What happened, I believe it was -- was it last week or
11:21:24:00 two weeks ago, relative to the ordinance coming back to
11:21:28:00 Council at the request of the ethics commission,
11:21:32:12 Council has continued that to December 1st.
11:21:35:13 I would strongly recommend that the workshop be joined
11:21:39:00 to that discussion on December 1st.
11:21:41:01 Take it off next week's agenda, put it on
11:21:43:12 December 1st because it will be discussed at the same
11:21:45:24 time.
11:21:46:03 >>GWEN MILLER: Motion carried.
11:21:49:07 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I also wanted to bring to Council's
11:21:51:06 attention that both Mr. David Smith and I have been
11:21:53:28 invited to appear at a meeting of the city's ethics
11:21:57:21 commission this afternoon at 3:00 to discuss the ethics
11:22:02:07 ordinance.
11:22:03:21 And I will relay as best I can Council's position as
11:22:07:19 best as I can recall it being relayed.
11:22:10:03 Of course, I cannot say specifically what each
11:22:13:13 individual Council member's intention was, but just to
11:22:16:10 discuss the goals of clarification on some of the
11:22:19:12 issues that may have been arisen over the past several
11:22:22:25 months that require adjustment.
11:22:24:15 And I will report back to Council.

11:22:27:12 >>SHAWN HARRISON: Mr. Shelby, I think if you would, let
11:22:31:04 them know when Ms. Saul-Sena made the motion, when I
11:22:33:21 seconded the motion to go with the state's definition,
11:22:38:12 we did it for simplicity sake.
11:22:40:12 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Thank you.
11:22:41:04 >>SHAWN HARRISON: We didn't mean in any sense of the
11:22:44:16 word to try to, you know, increase the ability of us to
11:22:50:01 accept gifts.
11:22:50:24 It just seemed like that was a heck of a lot simpler.
11:22:53:24 But I don't think any of us are really thinking it's
11:22:57:19 worth any type of a fight.
11:23:00:06 So if it's easy to interpret, if everybody is
11:23:03:09 comfortable with what has been proposed, I'm certainly
11:23:06:15 willing to go with what has been proposed.
11:23:08:04 It just seemed like what the state's ordinance is is
11:23:10:27 much easier for everyone to get their arms around.
11:23:13:16 >>GWEN MILLER: They cannot receive a gift of a hundred
11:23:16:00 dollars either.
11:23:18:25 So I don't know why it got out of hand.
11:23:19:09 We weren't trying to push it no further.
11:23:20:28 >>MARTIN SHELBY: What I'll do, I'll relay the position
11:23:24:04 as best as I can.
11:23:25:15 Of course, I will take back whatever information and
11:23:27:15 put it in a report to Council.
11:23:28:18 >>ROSE FERLITA: Just a quick clarification on my part,

11:23:31:13 Mr. White, that is the sentiment.
11:23:34:12 >>KEVIN WHITE: I said I think that's the entire
11:23:36:15 sentiment.
11:23:36:18 >>ROSE FERLITA: That's not the entire sentiment.
11:23:39:06 I don't agree sometimes a simple solution is the best
11:23:41:24 one to go to.
11:23:42:24 My position, you obviously knew it and you know it now.
11:23:45:09 Even if it's simpler to go with the state thing, that's
11:23:47:21 not necessarily the right thing sometimes.
11:23:49:07 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Again, there were other provisions
11:23:51:16 within the code such that were raised today that do, in
11:23:53:27 fact, need to be clarified in some sections unrelated
11:23:56:28 to gifts, still need to be addressed.
11:23:58:21 >>ROSE FERLITA: They are going to meet today and then
11:24:01:01 we're coordinating the December 1st discussion
11:24:03:10 because at that point they are going to come back with
11:24:05:07 their recommendation or how is that working?
11:24:07:22 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I don't know what action they plan on
11:24:09:15 taking.
11:24:09:27 I do know they did write to Council and request that
11:24:13:21 continuance of the first reading.
11:24:15:01 I don't know what action they intend to take.
11:24:17:03 Obviously I'll find out today.
11:24:20:22 >>GWEN MILLER: Anything else come before Council?
11:24:23:03 Clerk?

11:24:23:21 >>CLERK: Last Thursday, we had set an appeal hearing on
11:24:26:27 a board of adjustment for December 1st at 10 a.m.;
11:24:31:18 however, with the recent changes in the appeal
11:24:34:06 ordinances, the time frame for notification of this one
11:24:37:13 was 30 days.
11:24:38:18 We did not have sufficient time to get notice out.
11:24:41:15 So I need to have this motion rescinded and then we're
11:24:45:15 looking at either re-setting it for January 5th or
11:24:48:07 January 12th.
11:24:49:04 >>GWEN MILLER: Have a motion and second.
11:24:50:15 All in favor of the motion, aye.
11:24:51:15 [ MOTION CARRIED ]
11:24:53:24 >>CLERK: And then I need a motion to move.
11:24:58:00 January 15th at 10:00.
11:25:00:28 January 12th, excuse me.
11:25:02:18 January 12th.
11:25:03:04 >>GWEN MILLER: Have a motion and second.
11:25:04:15 All in favor of the motion, aye.
11:25:05:15 [ MOTION CARRIED ]
11:25:07:06 Anything else?
11:25:07:27 >>CLERK: And then I do have the voting conflict form
11:25:12:16 submitted by Mr. Shelby for John Dingfelder regarding Z
11:25:17:21 05-135 that needs to be received.
11:25:20:22 >>GWEN MILLER: All in favor, aye.
11:25:21:15 [ MOTION CARRIED ]

11:25:22:09 >>CLERK: That's all I have.
11:25:23:21 We'll go to our audience portion.
11:25:26:09 Anybody in the audience like to speak at this time?
11:25:33:10 (The meeting was adjourned.)