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Tampa City Council and
Community Redevelopment Agency
November 17, 2005

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>>LINDA SAUL-SENA: ... Perhaps we didn't feel we
had this power because all the money was to the
convention center and Ybor didn't have all that
many revenues but now we have 5 CRA districts, the
revenue streams are going to increase in all of
them and I think council is so aware of the

redevelopment, urban development issues we face,
the concerns of the neighborhoods that are CRA
districts, and we are in a very significant key
role in shaping this.
We have been too passive for too long.
I think it's time that council sitting as a
Community Redevelopment Agency take charge.
And I think this language is symptomatic of what's
been wrong.
We have sort of passively allowed the
administration to do what they wanted, and we need
to become not just full partners, but leaders in
this process.
>>ROSE FERLITA: Mr. Dingfelder and Ms. Saul-Sena,
I think we are all separate and individually on
point and the fact we collectively agree is a good
step forward.
Often we go to legal cities and we see the
different structures for different municipalities,
and sometimes the council sits as CRA and
sometimes they don't.
But regardless of how they legislate that, the
resounding comments are that CRA is the most
powerful body, and I think we have never come to
that realization.

Today I'm very sorry that Ms. Alvarez is not here
because this is probably the most important
meeting the CRA for the entire year, because we
are looking at how TIF dollars are being
allocated, what amount of control the
administration has or tries to have, what amount
of interaction they allow their neighbors in
addition to the advisory council to weigh in on.
We have a big responsibility here.
And I will tell you that oftentimes we are very
remiss in exercising that responsibility and that
And I think John is saying from the one standpoint
and Linda is saying it from another.
It is about time that CRA is not squeezed in
between when we get here and when we have to start
council, and it needs to stand alone.
It is a very powerful responsibility.
And we collectively -- and I have been here for
two terms so I'm including myself right at the top
of that blame -- we are not doing what we are
supposed to do as a CRA body.
There are many things that need to be done.
John, you're right on point about the assist, may,
shall, serve, whatever.

We are not exercising that authority.
And in this organizational chart the CRA is the
top dog.
And we lead where many of these TIF dollars go.
I think we had a meeting not too long ago about
the projected financial income over the next 20
years particularly in Channel District.
And we are just sitting here listening through it
and just moving through the agenda.
We need to take control, not for our sakes, and
it's not about control, but it is a responsibility
that we have assumed, and we have to carry it
I am hopeful that in the months to come, even
after I'm gone, that CRA starts exercising CRA
responsibilities and authorities.
So I think we are all in concert with what we need
to do.
And we have to understand again, this is not an
adversarial relationship with the administration,
or with us as we sit as a council body.
We have this responsibility, and we are not doing
a good job.
So we can take that blame and admit it and go

Because lots of things are coming.
We started off with very few CRAs.
We have new CRAs.
And probably in the year or two to come there may
be more.
So we need to make sure those TIF dollars are used
appropriately and in terms of marketing and all
those many things we have talked about.
I will tell you that Ms. Saul-Sena has this H a
very keen ear to what has happened, and sometimes
that is not followed through by the rest of this
And I'm taking blame for the same kind of, you
know, okay type attitude.
So this is a good time for to us change our
disposition about this.
Mr. Chen, I know that you have given us an
And in addition to some of the people that you
introduced that are part of the advisory
committees or groups, there are some people that
are citizens in this particular areas that are not
part of the council.
I, as a matter of fact, last night, about 9:30
10:00, spoke with Janell Grand, and I think that's

appropriate because we were able to speak about.
This she wasn't going to be here because of a
conflict for work, and that sometimes happens with
our citizens.
I understand that there are some other residents
from Channelside, and they would like to speak,
particularly about the TIF dollars in their
budget, and that would be item 2.
What I might like to do, we'll take each of these,
if it's okay with you, colleagues, we'll take them
individually as we go, and move them if we so see
But as we come up on each one of them then anybody
who wants to weigh in on that particular TIF
budget for that particular CRA can come up and
make a comment.
Ms. Saul-Sena.
>>LINDA SAUL-SENA: And I have a question about
the structure of the agenda.
It says required approvals.
I guess this is a question for Mr. Territo.
Why is it worded that way?
And is there a particular deadline that requires
these approvals today?
>>SAL TERRITO: I think the language simply means

that it requires your approval.
I don't think it says you are required to approve
it, if that's the point you are making.
I have never seen an agenda with that particular
>>ROSE FERLITA: We have to a profit but not
necessarily this second.
>>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Or discuss it.
>>SAL TERRITO: I think the approval means your
approval, not that you are required to approve it.
>>THE CLERK: The new format was as a result of
chairman Alvarez working with the city
departments, and this is the new outline they came
up with.
>>ROSE FERLITA: That's fine.
Ms. Saul-Sena, is that the answer to your
>>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Yes, thank you.
Any comments or questions that would like to be
made by my colleagues or the public?
That being the case, ask for a motion.
>> Move approval.
>> Move to receive and file.

>> Seconded by Dingfelder.
Made by white.
We'll call for the question again.
All in favor signify by saying Aye.
Opposed, Nay.
Motion carries.
Item 2.
That would be the FY 06 Channel District TIF
budget, if anyone would like to come and discuss
This would be the time to do that.
>> Move for approval.
>>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I have a question for
Ms. White.
We had discussed the idea, in the past, for those
of you who aren't aware of the history, the
Channel District did not get a great city support
And we all see in the future now that they get a
good support person but there was discussion that
there be an arts position created, not as a city
staff person, but at the direction of the Channel
District council.
Could you discuss that briefly?

And are you happy with what's in the budget before
And be really candid.
>>> Well, not only am I president of Channel
District council, but I also am the founder of
artists unlimited incorporated which makes me very
interested in the arts.
And I'm an artist myself.
>>LINDA SAUL-SENA: And you're probably the
longest living resident in the Channel District.
>>> Ain't it the truth!
We have been there since 1993, when everybody
thought we were crazy.
What we were advised by the powers that be, on all
sides, was this year, there's an awful lot of
planning dollars that need to be spent.
And for the riverwalk planning, things like that.
We have definitely not given up the idea of having
an arts administrator.
Mike and I have talked about it at length.
Mike English and I talked about it.
Ken Staltenberg.
Putting it in as a line item for next year. But
we have were advised this year to take that
$60,000 or whatever amount of money it was for a

salary and search to put that into more of the
planning situation.
And where did Dave go?
But we did talk to Dave Parkinson and Mark Huey
about that, and make sure that we don't want to
lose that position.
I mean, if we --.
>>LINDA SAUL-SENA: In the 07 budget you want to
make sure that's there.
>>> Exactly.
Because we think it's very important and that the
TIF moneys can be used to keep the flavor of the
artists in our district, and possibly, you know,
that we can join up with some of the other
districts, and have a person that would plan
events, not just take care of polishing a piece of
public art.
We want something more than that.
Somebody that is concerned with our area.
>>LINDA SAUL-SENA: And council, when people come
in for rezonings, are saying on the ground floor
you need to have gallery space, art space, you
need to do something like this.
So this staff person who worked not for the city
but for your group would be the person who would

sort of match make between arts groups and artists
and developers who are doing the space.
Is that correct?
>>> Right now, the three major developers in the
Channel District, Sadar, Gatewood and Staltenberg,
are planning on deed to Artists Unlimited so
Artists Unlimited would hold title to different
pieces of property throughout our community.
So the artists will be part of the fabric of the
It will not be a museum.
It will not be a one-time place that you go to.
I would like for the arts to reach everybody, so
that everybody kind of gets the idea that you walk
-o well I could get some groceries and buy
something over here, and that it's the normal kind
of situation, not just for -- well, the elite, and
that's the trouble.
I have been fighting that all my life, is that
there is art, and affordable art, and very good
art in this community, and it's available to each
and every one of us.
And I think that's very important.
And I don't want that to be left along the

>>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I think it was important for
council to hear this.
>>ROSE FERLITA: We know who you are but would you
state your name in the record, please?
>>> Oh, sorry.
I'm Jeanie white and I'm president of the Channel
District council, and founder of Artists Unlimited
incorporate, and a resident of the Channel
>>ROSE FERLITA: Thank you, Ms. White.
Appreciate your participation.
Anyone else from the Channel District want to come
up and say anything?
>>MICHAEL CHEN: may I supplement a little on what
Ms. White just said?
I've always tried to get closer relationship and
catch up with the issues associated with the
Channel District and all of our CRAs.
I have advised Ms. White as well as the group in
general that an arts administrator is something
that probably would do very well in the contact of
the future of that district.
And as late as last night, literally taking
Ms. White by the hand and walking to Michael

English, it was recommended to him that he be well
aware of the subject of this arts administrator,
and he should consider it and address it in his
study that's under way, so that we have some
definition and support for putting that forward in
future years.
>>ROSE FERLITA: Thank you, Mr. Chen.
Is there anyone else before we move on?
>>> Yes.
Just briefly.
Jimmie overton representing united residents of
Channelside and the conversation you had with
Janell last night.
We are actually supportive of the Channel District
We think that they have served the community very
And in this capacity, have served the arts very
well and always been a fan and want to do anything
we can as residents to support that as well.
So we would support an independent -- allocation
of these funds so the Channel District council
actually is supervising, if you will, or the
person with the answer to them.
The concern that I have, actually, is that the

other money associated with the TIF funds, it
looks like it's being proposed that the rest of
that budget be driven by the city, and that when
don't necessarily agree with.
The budget proposal that I have in front of me has
allocated certain things for the riverwalk
segment, the streetscape design and streetscaping
On June 30, 2005-t City Council entered an
agreement with Wilson Miller to seek their advice
on these things, to seek their advice on
infrastructure, to seek the public's opinion on
ways that the TIF money should be spent, and in
organized fashion evaluate what is important to
members of the city, and members of the residents
in that community as well as the council.
And that report is not out yet.
It's not available.
So to make any decisions on a riverwalk, or on
streetscape design and engineering which according
to my copy of the contract is included in their
report that's to be given, and to not know the
priority by which those things should be done.
I don't know that we are going to put the
riverwalk as a group above infrastructure needs.

I don't know that we are going to put streetscape
design engineering and put additional funds when
we don't know what Wilson miller is going to be
providing us in just a few days.
We wanted to bring that report to you.
It is a public document.
But we have been denied access to it up until now.
Mark Huey, when asking Wilson Miller why we could
not have a copy of this so we could maybe compare
and contrast the authorities, we were told that
Mark Huey says he will -- we will get it when they
deem it appropriate.
And I don't know if these align with.
And as a closing discussion, I would just like to
say that I would be more comfortable with the
Channel District council who has represented that
community very well, having all of that money go
to them, and have them be the ones that hire an
independent person to group those together.
I thank you for your time.
>>ROSE FERLITA: Mr. Dingfelder?
>>JOHN DINGFELDER: I think more of a comment.
The way we look at the budgeting process -- and
Mr. Chen, help mow out if I'm off here, and
Mr. Stefan as well, who is our budget guru, I

think the way we look at it, we have got in this
case $600,000, we need to sort of put it into
categories, to start the year off.
I agree with you 100%.
When Wilson Miller comes back with their plan, if
it differs, if the breakout and the
recommendations differ from this, and which would
require us to revisit this, we have the ability to
come back, really on a moment's notice, and
revisit the budget, and make amendments and move
things around.
And I think that's wholly appropriate.
I think last year we had a problem, my
understanding, because we didn't get these budgets
done until the year was almost done, and then we
were doing everything retroactively, which is kind
of silly.
So I'd like to give you our assurance that -- and
I hope Mr. Chen agrees with me -- if the
recommendations from the consultant come out
significantly different, and that would affect
this budget, then we would come back and revisit
the budget and make the appropriate amendment.
Would that be appropriate?
>>> Chen: It certainly would be.

To add a little more information to that.
We all recognize the timing situation between the
creation of these budgets and the completion of
the Wilson Miller report.
And, by the way, I have discussed this at the
Channel District meetings, and with the Channel
District board members.
We actually assembled a group of the Wilson Miller
people, and -- assembled a group of the Wilson
Miller people and went through items of the budget
that would be their suggestion for things that
need to occur as next steps to actually start
implementing what will eventually become their
So the engineering things that you see on the
budget that's proposed, those are all suggestions
that were generated by Wilson Miller, and
reflected the next step that's coming from their
Their report will identify a great deal of
analysis and evaluation of the infrastructure
But it doesn't do the engineering of them that
would allow us to start moving forward to actually
implement some of their plans.

So those suggestions came from Wilson Miller
knowing what their scope of work is and what will
eventually be in their report.
>>JOHN DINGFELDER: If I could follow up.
Clearly, the requests to look at the document as
it's being drafted, sounds to me like it's
probably a public records request.
So am I going to put you on the -- I'm not going
to put you on the spot right this second but I
would like to you look at that issue, work with
the gentleman and work with staff and see if, A,
if it's a public records, and B, how we comply it
with, or if it doesn't have to be complied with
because it's still some sort of work in progress,
and therefore falls into some exception.
I don't know the answer to that.
I'm not going to ask you to answer that on the
But I think we need to respond to that public
records request.
>>LINDA SAUL-SENA: There are two really key
things here.
Wait, Mr. Chen, I need your attention.
I need your attention.
I am very -- I am very concerned, because I want

City Council and the CRA to have as much control
over the quality of the Channel District as
And it's my understanding that the Channel
District CRA does not include the waterfront.
It only goes to Channelside Drive.
So the port area, all the land next to the water,
is not part of the Channel District, we don't get
-- I don't know if we get TIF money from it.
I know we don't have design control over it.
And if we don't have design control over it, why
should we spend TIF money on that if there's not a
reciprocity there?
What I want to do with this is hold up on the '06
budget until we get the Wilson Miller support, and
City Council sitting as the CRA determines where
those TIF dollars should be spent.
I think this is entirely premature.
If we waited nine months last year, we can
certainly wait a month this year.
And I think that's the most responsible thing for
our CRA to do on number 2.
So Madam Chairman, I'd like to make a motion to
hold this for however long it's going to be till
we can have the Wilson Miller report and schedule

a good conversation about the Channel District
That's my motion.
>>ROSE FERLITA: I have a motion to continue this.
>>KEVIN WHITE: What's the deadline on this?
>>LINDA SAUL-SENA: We don't have a deadline.
>>> Chen: I think that would be more of a legal
question if there's any deadlines.
>> The longer you wait to adopt the budget --.
>>ROSE FERLITA: But I think the point she's
making is when residents of that particular
district are getting an answer like "you will get
this slide presentation when we decide, not when
you want it."
I think it's clearly a disregard for public
records request.
And I wholeheartedly agree with Ms. Saul-Sena's
But of course any other colleague that wants to
speak before we get to that motion.
>>> Chen.
That. Statement is not exactly accurate.
I have not seen any draft report or studies that
Wilson Miller has produced.

>>ROSE FERLITA: Well, what we are talking about
was the PowerPoint presentation and asking for a
copy of that.
Mr. Overton, was that your request?
And have you received that?
>>> Speaking off microphone)
But for today's proceedings you do not have the
information you requested.
And that was reiterated by Mr. Grand last night.
Then Ms. Saul-Sena has a motion we continue this
until such time as the public gets the information
they requested.
I have a motion and second.
Ms. Saul-Sena, Mr. White.
All in favor of the motion signify by saying Aye.
>>JOHN DINGFELDER: Was it 30 days?
>>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Is 30 days enough time to get
the Wilson Miller request and for us to digest
And have a presentation on it?
I don't know what the time frame is.
>>ROSE FERLITA: What about if we do this?
We are looking at a special called meeting on the
1st for item 16.
What about -- we can always continue it again.

Enough time for them to receive it.
>>LINDA SAUL-SENA: And I personally would like --
I'd like a discussion.
I'd like a staff discussion on it.
Do we want a discussion for all of us probably?
>>ROSE FERLITA: And I think there's also an
independent consultant that the Wilson Miller has.
And I would like to hear from him as well, be it
collectively or individually.
>>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I would also like information
on -- I'd like a map of the boundaries of the
Channel District CRA, and particularly looking at
the section where the bird project is going to be,
and that's port property, I believe.
Is that in the CRA or is that not in the CRA?
It's not in the CRA and that's what we are talking
about, the riverwalk being, is it appropriate to
spend CRA dollars on the riverwalk there, if it's
not in the CRA?
And that's a legal question that you can look at
and come back to us on the 1st.
Chen: I can answer that for you.
You cannot spend TIF dollars outside the
boundaries of the TIF.
The segment of the riverwalk that is in the budget

is actually on the west side of beneficial
Boulevard, and the boat project itself is not in
the district.
However, on the --.
>>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Maybe you can just bring us a
>>ROSE FERLITA: That's an additional question she
wants clarification on.
Let us deal with her motion.
Motion on the floor is to -- do you want to
rephrase it?
>>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Move to continue item 2 until
December 1st at 8:30.
>>ROSE FERLITA: Motion and second.
And a question.
>>LINDA SAUL-SENA: The additional information
from Wilson Miller.
>>ROSE FERLITA: Can we do this collectively with
Is that okay, Mrs. Saul-Sena, to include both?
>>ROSE FERLITA: All in favor signify by saying
>>THE CLERK: Dingfelder, no.

>>ROSE FERLITA: Motion carries 4 to 1.
I know we have completed that.
But in all fairness to the gentleman standing up,
since we have dealt with that do you want to make
an additional comment on 2?
You can.
>>> John Walton, with the United Channelside
affectionately known as URAC.
I have got a copy of the budget for the Channel
District in front of me, too.
And I think I'm just kind of reiterating some of
council's comments.
That being -- I guess God bless the CRA and
everything they are trying to do.
But I could have put something like this together.
These are easy, cutesy little things that you do
to a community once it's already built out.
I would think there would be some muscle, some
intelligence, in the CRA that would actually say,
you know what?
Before we concern ourselves about streetscape
design and things of that nature, it's going to
have to be ripped up anyway, if we finally said,
hey, over the next 20 years we have $28 million
pouring into this particular community.

How about burying some electrical wires?
How about some stormwater issue that we have?
But it's kind of like, you know what?
The administration is only here for a few years,
our positions here are only for a few years, so
let's throw some paint on some things, let's spend
$600,000, pat ourselves on the back and get out of
I bought a place down there. I plan on living
there for a long time.
Quite frankly, I think it's irresponsible for the
CRA to sit back and pat themselves on the back and
give these cutesy dootsy little things.
Let's get some meet into this thing, understand --
meat into this thing, understand the money that's
being poured into the community and make at great
place to live and not just keep patting ourselves
on the back year by year.
That's my only comment.
It may be a little harsh.
But I would think, if you think the amount of
money that eventually is going to come into this
area that we can put a little more forethought in
just how we are going to put the streets together.
The riverwalk, great idea.

I'm looking forward to the riverwalk being
completed, all the contributions from the private
sector going in there.
That's terrific.
But as far as developing communities, I would
think there would be a little more drive, a little
more ambition than worrying about streetscape
designs right now.
If you go down -- anybody is invited to come to my
place and check it out.
It's a wonderful, wonderful warehouse that I live
If you look out over my "urban garden" it looks
like Kosovo right now.
And I'm okay with that.
All I'm saying is I'm not worried about how the
streets are going to look right now.
I'm concerned that 15, 20 years from now it's
really a cool place to live and I'll worry about
the streets then.
In the meantime, I think we can attack some real
issues that are going to be affecting this
>>ROSE FERLITA: Your comment about patting
ourselves on the back, I'm sure you didn't include

us because we are saying the reverse.
We don't need to sit here and pat ourselves on the
There's very aggressive attitude from us up here
that CRA needs to support everything you're
I think Mr. White might have something.
>>KEVIN WHITE: Just want to make a comment.
Your group as well as Ms. White's group and
Mr. Walton, you all are very keen about what's
going on here.
I think that's one of the things especially that
the East Tampa group has done.
They have got a very, very large voice on what
they want and want to spend the money on in the
CRA and in the budget.
And I think that's the things that you want as a
collective body, you can continue to convey to the
administration, what you want, and what the
community wants to spend and allocate these
dollars towards.
And that's your money that's being directed and I
did verted back into your community.
And you all as a collective body, as a group, need
to let them know that these are where we want the

dollars directed, and that's the way it's supposed
to go.
And to address your concerns, also, to beautify
and enhance and uplift that particular community.
And that's why the TIF is put in place, and that
should happen.
And if that doesn't happen then we make a note of
it and we can hopefully make those things happen.
>>> I understand what you're saying Mr. White.
But some of the things that I think go down is we
go ahead and hire a group like Wilson Miller, and
they are like, hey, we're experts, leave this to
Then they come back with this report, present to
the city, city presents it to you, and it's like,
at that point in time when I finally get a look at
it when I can finally crack it open and say what
does this really consist of?
They are like, Whoa, fella, you should have
chatted with us six months ago as we were
developing this.
>>KEVIN WHITE: They are the experts.
But the experts are supposed to be able to put
together the things the community is telling them
to put together, not to put together what they

want to put together.
You bring the ideas to the table in infancy stage
and say, hey, improve upon this, and this is the
conceptual design of what we want.
Make it a reality for what you want as a
And that's what Wilson Miller is supposed to be
And I agree with you.
And that was one of the reasons that I
wholeheartedly supported Ms. Saul-Sena's motion,
because you all as volunteer groups are out here
investing your time and your efforts and your
energies in your neighborhoods, and you all
haven't been afforded the opportunity to see the
end result.
And I don't think that's fair.
So I think we are all in for you and with you.
And we want to make sure that each and every
individual CRA and TIF district gets what they
want as a community.
>>ROSE FERLITA: Thank you, Mr. White.
Ms. Saul-Sena, then Mr. Dingfelder.
>>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I want to clarify something I
said about the riverwalk.

I love the riverwalk.
I saw the plan.
I think it's going to be great.
And what I'm interested in is not "not funding"
the riverwalk.
What I am interested in is expanding the Channel
District CRA area to include up to and including
the riverwalk.
I'm very interested in that.
And I'd like the staff, if the line stops at
Channelside, which I believe it does, to look into
what it would take to expand it all the way to the
Because frankly, I would like to include the
riverwalk, and then we could fund it with TIF
>>ROSE FERLITA: Linda had asked that awhile ago,
do we need to make that in the form of a
presentation to come back?
Or a request?
>>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I want the answer --.
>>SAL TERRITO: I'm saying the procedure to do
that, not whether we should do it.
That's your call.
>>LINDA SAUL-SENA: It's really complicated and

long but I would like to see the map on the 1st.
That would be very helpful, I think, for council.
>>SAL TERRITO: I think it should take a motion
>>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I move on the 1st we get a map
showing the current boundaries of the Channel
District CRA, and an executive explanation,
because I think most of us really know because we
have been through it, you know, five times, and
Watt takes to expand the boundaries.
>>ROSE FERLITA: Ms. Saul-Sena, that's your motion
for a special called meeting on the 1st?
In addition to the other stuff.
>>JOHN DINGFELDER: I'll second it and I have an
additional request.
Mr. Chen, you and Mark and I have had some brief
discussions about the zoning district that's in
the Channelside.
Ms. Saul-Sena for years has talked about new
urbanism, and I'm sure she's filled you guys in on
those concepts.
One of the things that's happening nationwide with
new urbanism is that cities are rewriting their
zoning codes.

And they call them smart codes or form-based
zoning and that sort of thing.
And if there's anywhere in the city that I can
think that new urbanism might fit, I think it's
Frankly, with the help of Wilson Stair, I think
that -- the projects already seem to have new
urbanism concepts already included in them.
So what Mr. Huey and Mr. Chen and I talked about
briefly, but perhaps I want to tighten up a little
bit, is what is the possibility that we could use
Channelside as a sample area to put in a smart
code, to put in new urbanism concepts, and
basically throw away chapter 27 because it's
archaic and doesn't do any good and really start
And I think that's what these gentlemen on the
side who already are living there, I think that's
what they were talking about, is let's get down to
the core of what we want the Channelside district
to be over and above the overlay district, and
some of these other cutesy pootsy -- what did you
say, dootsy things.
So let's just get down to the meat of the issue.
So I'll second your motion.

And I would also like to add to your motion that
staff give us a very brief report on the cost and
the feasibility of revisiting the code, the zoning
code, in the Channelside district for the specific
purpose of looking at the smart code and new
urbanism concepts.
>>ROSE FERLITA: Do you want to consider that as a
friendly amendment?
>>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Absolutely friendly.
>>ROSE FERLITA: That being said -- motion by
Mrs. Saul-Sena, second by Mr. Dingfelder, all in
favor say Aye.
Motion carries unanimously.
Moving not so right along, let's talk about item
If anyone chooses to speak on item 3, 4, 5, 6, 7,
8 or 9, the remaining TIF budget proposals, come
And if not we can move those collectively.
>>JOHN DINGFELDER: I have a question on the
I don't know if Mr. Rotella or staff, whichever.
I was just curious about land assemblage.
It's quite a big ticket item, 322,000 dollars.
As related to land assemblage in Drew Park.

If anybody would like to help me out on that.
>>ROSE FERLITA: Mr. Dingfelder, excuse me for
interrupting you.
I didn't know if we were going to have some
questions or concerns.
Why don't we take them as we come up?
Excuse me, Ron, for just a second.
Item 3. Is there anybody who wants to talk about
the TIF budget on item 3 for the downtown core?
>>KEVIN WHITE: Move to approve.
>> Second.
(Motion carried)
>>ROSE FERLITA: Unanimously.
Again, item 4, TIF budget for downtown non-core.
>> Move to approve.
>> Second.
(Motion carried)
>>ROSE FERLITA: Unanimously.
Item 5. The TIF budget for Drew Park.
I think Mr. Dingfelder has a question of
Mr. Rotella.
>>RON ROTELLA: Advisory council.
Drew Park.
First of all, just the sense of the overall
budget, the budget in my -- sometimes was put

together very well, the staff of the CRA.
Michael attended our meeting.
The recommendations you see before you, the budget
allocations were voted on unanimously by the
advisory council.
So there is no disagreement about the budget.
Allocation or the appropriation process.
I would like to make a comment, though.
And this was educational for me this morning.
I could see with future budgets -- the community
development block grant funds, they are eligible.
Most funding sources, including ad valorem taxes
and gas tax revenue, have items that are eligible
and ineligible as far as funding.
What are the eligible activities you can fund on
the special assessments?
I can see in Drew Park somebody coming and saying,
well, gee, we ought to fund so-and-so, and have a
lot of discussion about that, end up before City
Council, have a big debate, and might be an
ineligible expenditure.
I think it would be a good exercise for all of us
if we have a written legal opinion, eligible and
ineligible expenditures as far as tax increment
financing for future budgets and for our own

deliberations, it would be helpful.
>>JOHN DINGFELDER: Some sort of guidance.
>>> There's got to be some activities that are
clearly ineligible and if they are we should know
that as advisory councils, and as the
administration, as the CRA, and address that
If there are ineligible activities, there doesn't
need to be a debate about them.
>>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Hear hear.
>>RON ROTELLA: And I'm sure Sal will need some
time to research that and come up with an opinion.
But for future budgets, that would be helpful,
certainly for Drew Park as we look at it as the
TIF funds glow.
>>JOHN DINGFELDER: How about the $322,000 land
Is that anticipated condemnation, or just
purchase, or what?
>>RON ROTELLA: It's just an indication that we
feel that -- and by the way, Drew Park is in the
Westshore business district.
Not only in Drew Park but throughout the city.
Affordable workforce housing is a key issue.
As CRAs become successful, as redevelopment

occurs, land prices will increase, and you won't
be able to do affordable housing.
So this allocation recognizes the fact that we
should be acquiring land today, in trust, for
affordable housing.
And we need to sit down with the CRA staff and
recommend to the CRA the best way to do that.
But it was the recognition that now is the time to
buy that land.
>>JOHN DINGFELDER: I've driven around Drew Park
forever and I never really noticed any kind of
park land.
Is there?
>>RON ROTELLA: There was.
Not anymore.
But then again, like the Wilson Miller study, we
have a study going on in Drew Park, and one of the
key issues will be the identification of parks and
recreation areas for that residential
And future residential neighborhoods.
And that's why we didn't address it this time.
We'll wait for the redevelopment plan to come
>>ROSE FERLITA: Any other questions?

Mr. Rotella, I appreciate your comments about the
methodology used for the budget.
I think what triggered that whole conversation and
discussion wags the fact that in processing the
budget for Channelside, there was a public records
request that was not adhered to.
But I'm sure, by the way, Mr. Smith, we are going
to do that very expeditiously and get it to the
So item 5 then, I need a motion.
>> So moved.
>> Second.
(Motion carried)
East Tampa TIF budget.
>>> Good morning, council.
Let me begin by saying that -- my name is Sam
McKensey, the chairman of East Tampa community
redevelopment partnership. With me is Carl
Warren, who is also a member of the partnership,
and is the chairperson of our Public Safety
And I first want to begin by thanking you for all
the support that you have given us in East Tampa,

because without your support, none of this would
be possible.
Each of you have been very, very supportive.
And we just can't put into words the appreciation
that we have for that.
You voiced some of the same concerns then as you
are voicing now.
And you were concerned that these dollars that are
not just another part of -- pot of money for the
city to spend as they see fit.
We in East Tampa heard your concerns, and we have
been very, very active and vocal about how the
dollars get spent.
So we are very proud to say that this budget is
community driven and not driven by city staff.
And with the exception of the dollars that are in
there to help pay for some costs by the city
staff, all of the other dollars are given 100% by
the community.
And these are some things that we wanted to see
happen in our community.
We have a very active partnership.
We have a very large body that meets on a regular
basis, on a monthly basis.
The community comes in and we talk about things.

We have a structure that allows people to give
input, into what goes into this budget.
And so this is a budget that is driven by our
community, and so we would ask that you would
support this.
And I am going to let Carl have a moment if he
would like to say.
Carl Warren: And I would like to add that we have
an excellent relationship with staff, and we have
been able to do some very effective collaboration,
even with administration.
Oh, Carl Warren, Tampa, Florida.
I just want to you know that we have been able to
get three parts.
We as a community, staff, as well as the CRA, and
administration, and we are working together
harmoniously, and we are being very effective as
well as successful in terms of things that we want
to do.
And staff is very sensitive to what our input as
well as the administration, and we are very
grateful for your sensitivity and sensibilities to
what we bring to you all.
And some of you have come out into the community.
Even though there's some criticism you all

weren't, but then there's a positive side of you
all have been very active.
A number of you all have been very active in
coming out in the community, riding around in the
community, and seeing things firsthand, and we
appreciate that as well.
>>ROSE FERLITA: We always have the opportunity to
perhaps receive some criticism.
Thank you, you and Mr. McKinsey.
McKinsey: Of course Mr. White and Mrs. Miller are
products of our community so they know what it's
like and Mrs. Alvarez, of course, Ms. Ferlita, of
course, is a business person in our community, and
so she's very familiar with it.
And I'm extremely proud that Ms. Saul-Sena and
Mr. Dingfelder have each requested personal tours
of East Tampa.
So give you a first-hand look at what's going on.
And I thank you for the opportunity to go out in
the community with you and show you some things
that's going on there.
And so Mr. Harris -- Mr. Harrison, I want to
invite you to come take a look at East Tampa
firsthand and see how these dollars are going to
help us to improve on these needs.

So again we thank you.
>>KEVIN WHITE: I thank Mr. McKinsey and
Mr. Warren and the entire East Tampa partnership.
I attend as many of their meetings as I can.
Like I said, it's an arduous task to keep such a
large group of volunteers active, and so active in
the community.
And you all do a wonderful job.
And you do a wonderful job keeping the community
And I also wanted to share, when Channelside
district was here, if they could take note of the
diligence that you all have taken in making sure
that your dollars were allocated the way the
community wanted them to be allocated, that I'm
sure the same would happen for Channelside as
And you all have done a remarkable job.
And thank you for your public service and your
spirit of volunteerism to tag taking your
community back and changing.
>>ROSE FERLITA: Thank you, Mr. White.
Moving very quickly --
>> move approval.
>>ROSE FERLITA: If there's nothing else between 6

and 10 I would like to move all of them together.
>>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I want to speak on one.
>>ROSE FERLITA: You want to speak on item 6,
Ms. Green?
Motion then to approve 6.
Is there a second?
>> Second.
(Motion carried)
>>ROSE FERLITA: Motion carries unanimously.
Item 7.
Ms. Green, you would like to make some comments?
>> Lillian green.
My address is 3406 north Eva Avenue, Tampa
Wanting to take this opportunity to thank you for
getting to this point.
Almost ten years ago, we sent you a letter, when
the discussion on the river area started happening
to us that a CRA be created on that area.
And we are excited now that finally thee
Of course, you remember that over in 2003, you
passed our first neighborhood plan by the City of
And in that plan, there is a section that includes

the river area.
Up to now, we haven't had too much happening, but
we see this as a catalyst for helping us implement
some of the things in our plan.
I would like to encourage you, not just to look at
the area that's the CRA, but as you put on your
other hat as City Council, help us to find ways of
implementing this entire plan.
We would have loved to be like East Tampa that had
their CRA over the whole area, and be able to look
at this cohesively.
But as it happens, we'd like to encourage that.
We also want to commend you that the City Council,
CRA, the mayor's office, has seen fit to employ
somebody like Mr. Chen, who could look at our city
in a broader perspective, because so many times we
are so segmented, and we as a community, we are
reacting to different parts rather than being able
to talk to our community about our community as a
Also wanted to mention as the riverwalk discussion
continues that again we look at this as a part of
the whole project.
We are working with the developers right now on
the heights project, which is actually that area.

And we would like to house some coordination.
Tampa Heights is one of the oldest suburbs in the
City of Tampa.
When you look at the design and the things that
are put into the riverwalk, we want everything to
complement and then bring in the rest of our
community together with that.
We are supportive of what's being proposed now.
We are just learning quite a bit.
We know this is the initial stage for the CRA.
And we look forward to continuing to working with
Mr. Chen.
And whoever becomes our manager down the line.
Thank you.
>>ROSE FERLITA: Thank you, Ms. Green, for your
Any questions?
>> Move item 7.
>> Second.
>>ROSE FERLITA: Motion carries unanimously.
Item 8.
>>KEVIN WHITE: Move to approve.
Yesterday -- or a couple of days ago, the question
of very large billboard like sign, about Ybor

City, was turned down by the Barrio Latino,
because as the national landmark district they
felt this was inappropriate.
And we budget add bunch of money for this sign and
we all discussed the need to reposition Ybor City,
not as a drinking mall but as a destination for
families and a place for professional offices.
So I would like to not -- yes?
>>SAL TERRITO: (off microphone)
>>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Let me say generally I would
like to spend the money, whether it's a sign or
another sign, I would rather spend the money on
marketing and I think this is a very legitimate
thing for us to discuss because it's TIF money and
we sit as the CRA, and I think that it's something
that I don't want to just go ahead and approve a
budget with money for signage when I would rather
see the money spent on marketing.
So I would prefer --.
>>JOHN DINGFELDER: Is the sign in the budget?
That's the first question.
>>JOHN DINGFELDER: I'm looking.
I don't see it.

>>VINCE PARDO: That historic marker, the sign, is
actually in the '05 budget.
>>LINDA SAUL-SENA: So we haven't spent it.
So we could reallocated it.
Before you today is strictly the '06 budget.
And it would be coming back for reallocation of
those dollars.
>>LINDA SAUL-SENA: So it's not in the '06 budget.
How much money is in the '06 budget for marketing?
>>VINCE PARDO: For marketing $150,000.
And it's a lower amount than the '05 budget
because of the lateness of the year.
Once this budget is approved, we actually will be
engaging contractors for the marketing for Ybor
So we have the '05 money to start off with.
And the '06 money which will continuous through
the year.
>>ROSE FERLITA: Mr. Territo, what happens once be
the appeal or whatever --.
>>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Well, cost say let's not
litigate, let's just spend it on marketing.
>>SAL TERRITO: The money that's left over from
last year, you have a certain period in which to

spend that money.
If that is specifically mentioned as one of those
items, and it was determined that money should be
spent on that sign, then come back to you to amend
the budget for that purpose.
If it was just the signage in general, and not
involving this particular sign, then they could
spend it on signage.
>>ROSE FERLITA: What dollar amount talking about
for this sign?
>> I don't know.
>>VINCE PARDO: Originally $200,000.
We already spent the money for the design
consultant, approximately $25,000.
>>ROSE FERLITA: So we have around 205,000 we can
use for marketing or whatever this board decides,
>>JOHN DINGFELDER: Can I make a suggestion?
Since we are coming back on December 1st for other
CRA issues why don't we specifically ask him to
bring back that sign issue for discussion on that
>>ROSE FERLITA: Instead of doing that in part why
don't we just continue this, continue 8 and 9, and

have a more comprehensive discussion.
>>LINDA SAUL-SENA: That's an excellent idea.
That we bring Ybor back for discussion on the 1st.
>>VINCE PARDO: When we bring it back, it will be
a fiscal year '05 budget item.
>>ROSE FERLITA: I understand.
But that might trigger some questions that we are
not doing now.
And in the essence of time since we are a little
behind, let's talk about this budget and the
remainder of that budget based upon the sign
dollars that were not spent.
Ms. Saul-Sena, if you want to make a motion to
hold 8 and 9, other 2.
>>LINDA SAUL-SENA: So moved.
>> Second.
(Motion carried)
>>ROSE FERLITA: Motion carries unanimously.
>>VINCE PARDO: I know you are taking a vote.
We have financial commitments.
Remember, we have contracts that are in play.
We have expenses that are going forward.
We need some portion of the '06 budget.
>>ROSE FERLITA: Why don't you work it out?
Right now I think the motion has been approved and

it's been tabled to 12-1.
>>SAL TERRITO: Item number 17 --.
>>ROSE FERLITA: 17 and 18.
Motion the same?
>> So moved.
>> Second.
>>ROSE FERLITA: Motion carries unanimously.
Ladies and gentlemen, we have a little bit of an
>>GWEN MILLER: I would like to move resolutions
10, 11, 13, 14, 15.
>> Second.
>>ROSE FERLITA: Because those are companions.
>>JOHN DINGFELDER: Discussion, I guess.
>>ROSE FERLITA: Discussion from anyone?
All in favor of the motion?
Motion carries unanimously.
If there is nothing else, I know there was a
vision plan that's going to be rescheduled.
Hopefully since we have inconvenienced Mr. Hunter
on a number of occasions, hopefully we'll be in
concert when he's going to be here.
I am rushing in closing ladies and gentlemen
because we are very, very behind. The police
department needs to get back to work.

I think Ms. Alvarez picked a wonderful day to be
sick and I wish her well and look forward to her
being back.
>>JOHN DINGFELDER: CRA staff will recall a long
time ago this board passed a motion that said we
are going to try to have at least one meeting per
year out in the community, of the CRA.
So, in other words, we would get off our rear ends
in these seats and go out in the community and
meet with each of the CRAs in their turf.
We passed that motion.
I've heard nothing about it.
I think probably eight, nine, ten months have
probably gone by and we haven't done it.
So by the 1st I want to hear something from staff
about our projects in that regard.
>>ROSE FERLITA: And I think the 1st would ab very
good time to do what we committed to.
>>JOHN DINGFELDER: The other thing I would like
to hear on the 1st, and don't think it needs to be
a motion, there's an important Supreme Court
decision, KEELO, that came out last June.
There's now congressional response with not only
our CRA but CRAs around the country and I would
like to have a short staff or legal presentation

in regard to what is the CRA/city's response to
this whole issue.
>>ROSE FERLITA: On the 1st?
Do we need a motion, Mr. Territo?
All in favor?
(Motion carried)
>>LINDA SAUL-SENA: It's relevant to when we
schedule our City Council meeting.
Motion carries and motion is carried.
Go ahead.
>>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Based on the fact that it's a
quarter of 10, and I think this was a very
important, substantive conversation, we should,
even though we probably advertised our council
meeting for 9:00 on the 1st, we should understand
that it will not probably begin before 9:30.
>>ROSE FERLITA: Should we start that meeting on
the 1st at 8:00?
Or do you think that's too --.
>>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I would be happy to start it
at 8:00.
I know it's more difficult for some of the council
>>ROSE FERLITA: And Mr. Harrison, but he's got a

transportation issue.
But as soon as you can get here, Mr. Harrison.
>>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I think it would be more
appropriate to start it at 8:00 because we want to
be able to have a full discussion.
>>ROSE FERLITA: And there were probably some
other comments to make but --.
>>LINDA SAUL-SENA: For the items we said would
come back on the 1st, and if we say that meeting
starts at 8:00, it's understood that the meeting
starts at 8:00.
So my motion is that we begin the CRA meeting at
>>KEVIN WHITE: Don't have a problem with that.
I want everybody to know I will be out of the
country on December 1st.
>>ROSE FERLITA: That's Yu don't have a problem.
>>KEVIN WHITE: If we have it for 8:00, and
whoever can get here, fine.
>>THE CLERK: You do have a regular meeting
scheduled for December 15th at 8:30.
There is so much to discuss.
>>ROSE FERLITA: We'll see how that goes and if we
don't have a quorum, we'll continue it until we do

have a quorum.
Motion and second.
Second from the gentleman who will not be here.
(Motion carried)
Before we adjourn, think, Mr. Harrison, you had a
>>SHAWN HARRISON: I was going to make a
suggestion we have our first community meeting in
East Tampa since that's the CRA that appears to be
the largest and the most active right now.
>>ROSE FERLITA: Why don't we set a date the 1st?
>>KEVIN WHITE: I'm sure an evening with staff or
Because they flip-flop their meetings from a 10
a.m. meeting and an evening meeting.
So you may want to get with them about their
>>ROSE FERLITA: My office will contact
Mr. McKensey, and we'll have some suggested dates.
She will present it to us so we can pick a date
that's best for most of us.
>>KEVIN WHITE: I second the motion being in East
>>ROSE FERLITA: Motion carries.
Ladies and gentlemen, thank you very much.

We are adjourned.
(CRA adjourned at 9:48 a.m.)