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Tampa City Council
Thursday, March 23, 2006
9:00 a.m. session

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09:05:43 [Sounding gavel]
09:05:43 >>GWEN MILLER: Tampa City Council is called to order.
09:05:45 The chair will yield to Ms. Mary Alvarez.
09:05:47 >>MARY ALVAREZ: It gives me great pleasure this
09:05:50 morning to present to us or introduce to us Lydia
09:05:57 PIZARRO, assistant program coordinator for the Tampa
09:06:03 Police Department crime prevention bureau and one of
09:06:05 my dearest friends.

09:06:06 Please stand for the invocation and continue standing
09:06:09 for the pledge of allegiance.
09:06:11 >> Thank you, City Council, for this honor.
09:06:12 May we bow our heads?
09:06:15 Let us pray.
09:06:16 Father God, we thank you and give you all the glory
09:06:19 for allowing us to come together today.
09:06:22 Lord, we ask you to bless this meeting, that it may be
09:06:25 a productive one, and we especially ask you to bless
09:06:28 our City Council members, our community leaders and
09:06:31 the residents of this wonderful city, in the name of
09:06:35 your son Jesus may these blessings be divinely
09:06:39 ordered.
09:06:40 Amen.
09:06:46 (Pledge of Allegiance).
09:06:53 >>GWEN MILLER: Roll call.
09:06:58 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Here.
09:06:59 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Here.
09:07:00 >>SHAWN HARRISON: (No response.)
09:07:01 >>MARY ALVAREZ: Here.
09:07:02 >>ROSE FERLITA: (No response.)
09:07:03 >>KEVIN WHITE: Here.

09:07:04 >>GWEN MILLER: Here.
09:07:05 At this time I will yield to Ms. Mary Alvarez who will
09:07:07 do a presentation.
09:07:33 >>MARY ALVAREZ: Council members, it's my pleasure this
09:07:34 morning to present to you Tony and Bertha Saladino.
09:07:43 They have been an institution in the City of Tampa for
09:07:46 many, many years, at least 26 years.
09:07:49 And what I am going to read to you is because I want
09:07:53 to put the essence of what they really mean to
09:07:57 baseball and to the City of Tampa.
09:08:01 Entering it's 26th year the Saladino baseball
09:08:05 tournament remains one of the nation's most
09:08:08 prestigious high school sporting events begun in 1981
09:08:12 by Tony and Bertha Saladino as a lasting memorial to
09:08:16 Tony's father, fans, players and scouts to the
09:08:20 university of Tampa and to high schools throughout
09:08:24 Hillsborough County.
09:08:25 Baseball, always a Tampa tradition, takes the
09:08:29 spotlight each year during spring break when 24
09:08:32 schools vie for the honor of being designated as the
09:08:35 best baseball team in the area.
09:08:39 It is a tribute to the organizational skills of

09:08:41 Mr. and Mrs. Saladino that every detail is carefully
09:08:45 planned well in advance and carried out by a legion of
09:08:48 volunteers working under their supervision.
09:08:51 From the ordering and serving of the food so carefully
09:08:54 and lovingly prepared by Bertha and her staff to the
09:08:57 scheduling of games and assigning of umpires by Tony,
09:09:02 they keep the week-long event running smoothly.
09:09:05 A glance through the stands will spotlight the number
09:09:08 of scouts in attendance, and small wonder since the
09:09:11 initial tournament in 1981, 35 high school
09:09:14 participants have made it to the major leagues.
09:09:19 In addition, numerous other participants have received
09:09:22 college scholarships as a result of their play.
09:09:27 In the strong tradition of the role athletics can
09:09:31 reply in the -- play in the student's lives, they
09:09:36 exhibit in their devotion to the game of baseball the
09:09:39 Tampa City Council is proud to present this
09:09:40 commendation in appreciation to them for their
09:09:43 outstanding performance in making Tampa the high
09:09:46 school basketball -- baseball capital of the nation.
09:09:49 And I want to add a personal note.
09:09:52 My grandson, Chad Taylor, has played in that

09:09:55 tournament, and with the Jefferson dragons, and they
09:10:01 won three games, and unfortunately they lost to
09:10:01 Hillsborough yesterday.
09:10:04 But Tony and Bertha have been around for so many
09:10:09 years.
09:10:10 I have met them throughout the years and they are
09:10:11 constantly just part of the baseball for the region
09:10:20 and we have a lot to be thankful for.
09:10:22 The parents, the students, the kids that play major
09:10:25 league baseball players that have come to this all
09:10:29 have a big debt of gratitude to these two young people
09:10:34 here.
09:10:35 And with that I'd like to recognize Jim Reese, John
09:10:40 Dingfelder's legislative aide, and local sports writer
09:10:43 who helps to organize this presentation and the
09:10:45 verbiage for this commendation.
09:10:47 And also my aide, Desiree Valdez, who had the honor
09:10:53 and pleasure of singing the national anthem this week
09:10:55 at the tournament.
09:10:56 She was so good.
09:10:58 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Didn't sing for us.
09:11:00 >>MARY ALVAREZ: This is a commendation presented to

09:11:03 you by the Tampa City Council.
09:11:05 We are so proud of you.
09:11:07 So very, very proud.
09:11:09 (Applause).
09:11:10 Do you want to say a few words?
09:11:19 >>> Tony Saladino: It's refreshing and rewarding to
09:11:23 be honored and recognized by our own city government.
09:11:26 We're just doing what we love.
09:11:29 The success of our program is solely on the first lady
09:11:35 of baseball.
09:11:35 She makes it all possible.
09:11:37 She does all the work.
09:11:38 I get all the credit.
09:11:41 Our main goal in this tournament is not to make major
09:11:45 leaguers or minor leaguers, it's to make friends, and
09:11:50 memories, and caring and responsible citizens one
09:11:56 Inning at a time.
09:11:56 And this commendation kind of gives us credibility and
09:11:59 incentive to go on for more.
09:12:01 And the City Council should be recognized and honored
09:12:07 for improving the quality of life in our great city,
09:12:11 and you will be honored and recognized because some of

09:12:13 you will be throwing out some first pitches and
09:12:16 singing anthems and be part of our program.
09:12:19 So we thank you.
09:12:20 And I want to thank you.
09:12:22 And we're glad to be here.
09:12:25 (Applause).
09:12:30 >>MARY ALVAREZ: Of course you all know that Wellswood
09:12:32 has a Tony Saladino, too.
09:12:34 So this Tony Saladino is for the city but Tony
09:12:38 Saladino that I know is the Wellswood pony league.
09:12:41 Thank you very much.
09:12:45 >>GWEN MILLER: at this time we would like to make a
09:12:47 motion to move the --
09:12:50 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Thank you so much.
09:12:52 Thanks for all you do.
09:12:54 >>GWEN MILLER: At this time we need to make a motion
09:12:56 to move the public comment after approving the agenda.
09:13:02 >> So moved.
09:13:02 >> Thank you.
09:13:02 (Motion carried).
09:13:04 >>GWEN MILLER: Does council have any items they want
09:13:07 to remove?

09:13:08 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I wanted to say we have been trying
09:13:10 this on a trial basis and doing this each week.
09:13:13 And I personally think it's going real well.
09:13:16 And I look to Mr. Shelby to advise us but I would
09:13:20 assume the appropriate motions is to ask to change the
09:13:23 rules of procedure to make that permanent.
09:13:29 So I'd like to at this time make the public comment at
09:13:35 this point in our agenda, to amend the rules of
09:13:37 procedure to allow that.
09:13:38 So moved.
09:13:39 >>MARY ALVAREZ: I second.
09:13:41 >>GWEN MILLER: Motion and question.
09:13:42 Mrs. Alvarez.
09:13:42 >>MARY ALVAREZ: Mr. Shelby, is this the time that I
09:13:46 make my motion?
09:13:48 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Yes, it will be.
09:13:49 But it would direct me to do a resolution to come back
09:13:54 to council because the rules require it to be read
09:13:57 twice.
09:13:57 >>KEVIN WHITE: A quick question.
09:14:02 Mr. Shelby, so if someone else is coming down, and
09:14:06 there's something on the agenda, it's on the agenda

09:14:08 that has not been spoken to yet, then that person
09:14:14 would not have the opportunity later on to speak on
09:14:16 that.
09:14:17 Department heads, staff, or any type of ordinance
09:14:24 that's coming before us --
09:14:27 >>MARTIN SHELBY: If it's set for public hearing then
09:14:30 they will not have an opportunity to speak unless
09:14:33 council waives the rules or if council discusses that
09:14:36 issue and allows and makes a motion to amend the
09:14:38 agenda to allow that to happen.
09:14:41 >>KEVIN WHITE: I'm okay with that.
09:14:43 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Mr. White, I think it's a really
09:14:46 good point but my feeling is, let's say we were going
09:14:48 to talk about something that we knew the public really
09:14:51 wanted to be engaged in and wanted to hear a staff
09:14:53 report and then weigh in on it and then allow council
09:14:56 to take action, if we were aware of something like
09:15:00 that on the agenda, I would encourage council to waive
09:15:02 the rules to allow the public comment on that
09:15:04 particular issue at that time.
09:15:07 I think that's what your concerns are.
09:15:08 I think that we would do that.

09:15:10 >>GWEN MILLER: Mr. Dingfelder?
09:15:17 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I think it's a good motion.
09:15:20 I'd like to suggest perhaps hand in hand with that or
09:15:24 as a separate motion -- and I'll defer to you guys --
09:15:28 we have discussed this issue about should the
09:15:32 public -- when we have our first public hearing --
09:15:40 >>: The first reading not set for public hearing.
09:15:42 >> The then somehow or another it's a first reading
09:15:46 and often an important change to an ordinance and we
09:15:52 aren't inviting the public to speak, unless we waive
09:15:52 our rules, and then we get to second reading and then
09:15:55 they speak, and then we change it and then we have to
09:15:57 start over at first reading.
09:15:59 We have had that a few times.
09:16:00 And I'm -- I think that -- we have talked about it
09:16:04 agent bit.
09:16:05 I think it's a little bit backwards, and that we
09:16:09 should have the public comment at both readings on
09:16:12 ordinance changes.
09:16:13 The ordinance effects the community in a very big way.
09:16:16 And the public should be cordially invited to speak at
09:16:21 both readings of an ordinance change.

09:16:26 >> There are a couple of issues with that that that
09:16:28 need to be addressed.
09:16:29 Number one is the that even if something is set for a
09:16:33 first reading and not a public hearing, the public
09:16:35 does always have the opportunity to discuss it being
09:16:37 it's on the agenda during agendaed public comment at
09:16:39 the beginning of the meeting.
09:16:41 And secondly, I believe the clerk having an issue with
09:16:46 regard to -- if it is going to be advertised there
09:16:49 would be an advertising cost involved in that.
09:16:53 You don't have to advertise it as a public hearing.
09:16:55 But if you choose to do that, there would be an
09:16:57 advertising cost associated with it.
09:16:59 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I think we should treat the
09:17:02 ordinance changes the same way as the rezonings.
09:17:04 At the rezonings we have public comment right at the
09:17:06 time we do the rezonings. The rezonings are an
09:17:08 ordinance change, okay?
09:17:09 So I don't know why we treat, for example, what are we
09:17:12 doing today, trees or something?
09:17:14 I don't know why we treat the tree ordinance, or the
09:17:17 noise ordinance, or any other ordinance that we deal

09:17:20 with, public art, or anything else, any different than
09:17:23 zoning.
09:17:23 I think the public should be invited to speak at first
09:17:26 and second hearing.
09:17:28 And I don't know what the origin of that was.
09:17:33 >>MARTIN SHELBY: State statute requires a land use
09:17:36 change to have two public hearings.
09:17:38 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I don't know the origin of not
09:17:42 having the meeting speak then and there.
09:17:44 It probably dates back a hundred years, I don't know.
09:17:46 Anyway, so I hold that as a second motion so we don't
09:17:51 complicate things.
09:17:51 >>GWEN MILLER: We have a motion and second on the
09:17:53 floor.
09:17:54 (Motion carried).
09:17:56 Mr. Shelby.
09:17:56 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Just a question for council because
09:17:58 it has come up in the past.
09:17:59 Does council wish to -- to move the committee reports
09:18:04 and the consent docket up on the agenda before the
09:18:07 staff reports or unfinished business?
09:18:10 If there's no desire to do that we'll keep it the way

09:18:13 it is.
09:18:14 But we ought to talk about that.
09:18:15 >>MARY ALVAREZ: I think the way it is it's all right.
09:18:18 >>GWEN MILLER: We have staff reports.
09:18:20 That's fine.
09:18:20 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Anyway, so consistent with my
09:18:24 comments just now, I would like to move to direct Mr.
09:18:26 Shelby to, while he's redrafting the one that Mrs.
09:18:31 Saul-Sena suggested, also to look to redraft the one I
09:18:34 just suggested, whatever needs doing, so we have
09:18:38 public comment on both first and second hearing while
09:18:47 we are discussing it.
09:18:48 Not at the end of the meeting, not the beginning of
09:18:49 the meeting.
09:18:50 While we are discussing the ordinance change.
09:18:51 >>MARY ALVAREZ: Well, you F you take this as a
09:18:56 friendly amendment, I think maybe we should ask him to
09:18:58 look into the matter before we make that -- that
09:19:02 actual report back.
09:19:02 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Pros and cons.
09:19:04 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Thank you.
09:19:06 I will support that, because it seems to me it will

09:19:08 help us be more efficient.
09:19:10 If we are going to make changes it makes a lot more
09:19:13 sense to do it up front when we are first looking at
09:19:15 the ordinance rather than getting to the second
09:19:17 reading and then recollection recognize it has to go
09:19:19 back to the beginning.
09:19:20 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: So I accept the friendly amendment.
09:19:22 We'll just ask Mr. Shelby to study it, get back with
09:19:26 us in two weeks, and that will be fine.
09:19:28 >>GWEN MILLER: We have a motion and second.
09:19:30 [Motion Carried Unanimously]
09:19:34 Anything to move from the agenda?
09:19:37 >>MARY ALVAREZ: Yes.
09:19:37 We have been talking about someone coming up and
09:19:42 giving us a report on how the FARs are constituted
09:19:50 and so on.
09:19:50 I would like to have Tony Garcia from the Planning
09:19:53 Commission and Cathy Coyle for a 15 minute overview on
09:19:59 FARs and to have Michael English come before council
09:20:05 next week at 10:30 a.m. time certain for strategic
09:20:12 action plan for the Channel District.
09:20:13 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I'm sorry.

09:20:15 >>MARY ALVAREZ: We are going to have 15 minutes for
09:20:20 Mike -- actually Tony Garcia first so he can give us
09:20:24 an overview on what FARs are because there's a lot
09:20:30 of miscommunication and confusion on what exactly
09:20:33 FARs are.
09:20:37 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I guess my confusion is, we
09:20:39 scheduled a meeting for that night.
09:20:44 >> At 6:00.
09:20:45 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: On these issues.
09:20:46 >>MARY ALVAREZ: If we need to take some action, at our
09:20:50 council meeting Thursday, when he's making his
09:20:54 presentation, these are just alternatives that he's
09:20:57 asking for direction.
09:20:58 He's asking for some direction on what to do on the
09:21:02 strategic action plan.
09:21:04 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Wouldn't we wait until we get the
09:21:05 public input that night?
09:21:09 >> Well, we need to talk to him about this first.
09:21:12 I would prefer to have him talk to me about it first
09:21:15 and then we can discuss it at the Channel District
09:21:16 meeting.
09:21:17 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: So your intent is not necessarily

09:21:20 that we change anything that morning going into
09:21:24 listening to the public that night?
09:21:28 >>MARY ALVAREZ: Well, let's just listen to we has to
09:21:30 say.
09:21:32 We have had this scheduled, and for some unknown
09:21:34 reason that was changed last week.
09:21:36 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I was confused.
09:21:39 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I just don't think -- if we have
09:21:43 got the public anticipating input that night, we
09:21:46 should probably be very hesitant to, you know, do
09:21:49 anything significant that morning.
09:21:51 But I'm game to listen.
09:21:52 >>MARY ALVAREZ: Well, we haven't done anything with
09:21:55 the action plan anyway, so it's just a matter of
09:21:59 listening to some alternatives that he's come up.
09:22:01 >>GWEN MILLER: Another question on the motion?
09:22:03 Mrs. Saul-Sena?
09:22:06 All in favor of the motion say Aye.
09:22:07 Opposed, Nay.
09:22:08 (Motion carried).
09:22:09 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Are we looking at our agenda?
09:22:11 >>GWEN MILLER: Yes.

09:22:11 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Number 47.
09:22:13 I would like somebody to explain it to me.
09:22:15 It's not clear at all.
09:22:17 I would like to pull 47 and ask for a staff person to
09:22:20 come and explain it.
09:22:21 >>GWEN MILLER: Other items on the agenda?
09:22:30 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I would like item number 32 and
09:22:34 item 37.
09:22:35 I understand staff is here to discuss 37.
09:22:37 But for formalities purposes let's pull it.
09:22:41 >>GWEN MILLER: 32 and 37.
09:22:43 Any others?
09:22:46 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: No, ma'am.
09:22:46 >>GWEN MILLER: Anyone else?
09:22:49 Any other council members?
09:22:52 Okay.
09:22:53 We'll go to our staff reports.
09:22:54 We first have Sal.
09:23:00 >>SAL TERRITO: Legal department.
09:23:03 You have an item that will be coming up on your agenda
09:23:05 next week that's calling for a public hearing on item
09:23:07 30.

09:23:08 Because of some -- in dealing with the Pinellas County
09:23:10 health authority issuing bonds in Pinellas County, and
09:23:13 some of the money of which is going to be spent in
09:23:15 Hillsborough County, so the IRS requires us to have a
09:23:18 public hearing in Hillsborough County.
09:23:20 The way the resolution was drawn up, the public
09:23:21 hearing and the hearing would be done at the same time
09:23:25 which made no sense.
09:23:26 So I would like to ask if you do a motion putting this
09:23:28 on the agenda for next week at 9:30 for public
09:23:31 hearing, even though it's going to be on the agenda,
09:23:33 and they will be asking for the public hearing on that
09:23:37 day which makes no sense under our procedures.
09:23:39 So we are basically asking that you do a motion for
09:23:42 9:30 for your next week's agenda to have this item
09:23:44 heard, which will be on the agenda anyway.
09:23:47 I know it's a little bit strange but that's the way it
09:23:50 worked out.
09:23:52 >> So moved.
09:23:53 >> Second.
09:23:53 >>GWEN MILLER: Motion and second.
09:23:55 (Motion carried).

09:24:00 Marty Boyle.
09:24:05 >>MARTY BOYLE: Land development.
09:24:08 Good morning, council.
09:24:11 Council, I need to bring forward Z 06-44.
09:24:14 It's Post Hyde Park apartment phase 4.
09:24:17 Should have been placed on today's agenda, but due to
09:24:20 a problem with the legal description, working out a
09:24:23 problem with the legal description, it could not have
09:24:27 been forwarded to be placed on today's agenda.
09:24:29 The legal description issue has been worked out.
09:24:31 And we would like to ask it to be placed on the
09:24:36 schedule to be heard for the April 27th, 6 p.m.
09:24:39 meeting.
09:24:40 It's what it was originally supposed to be going to.
09:24:42 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: What are your members for that
09:24:47 evening?
09:24:48 >>MARTY BOYLE: Under council's rules, 10 new, three
09:24:51 continuances.
09:24:52 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: So moved.
09:24:54 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Second.
09:24:54 >>MARTY BOYLE: Thank you.
09:24:56 (Motion carried).

09:24:58 >>GWEN MILLER: Ms. Bonnie Wise.
09:25:02 >>BONNIE WISE: Good morning, council members, Bonnie
09:25:04 Wise, director of revenue and finance.
09:25:06 I'm here for item 37.
09:25:08 And item 37 is simply a receive and file item.
09:25:12 But I did want to introduce Lee Huffstutler the chief
09:25:21 accountant.
09:25:22 I know that you did receive it yesterday so if you
09:25:25 have any questions, we could either come back or meet
09:25:27 with you individually as well.
09:25:29 But it is just a receive-and-file matter.
09:25:37 >>> Good morning.
09:25:38 For the record I am Lee Huffstutler your chief
09:25:43 accountant.
09:25:45 Before I start I would like to publicly thank my staff
09:25:47 especially Bill Ladd who put together this 150-page
09:25:51 document, and Alan in the printing office who printed
09:25:54 it.
09:25:55 I would also like to thank members ITS, budget,
09:25:58 housing department, who were critical in getting the
09:26:00 work done.
09:26:01 And I'd like to thank publicly the auditing firm KPMG

09:26:06 who are with us today who did a very thorough audit.
09:26:09 I think we got our money's worth.
09:26:11 They looked at everything.
09:26:12 Lori Nissan is the partner in charge and Lisa is the
09:26:17 manager in charge who is also here who would like to
09:26:19 speak.
09:26:20 Thank you.
09:26:21 >>MARY ALVAREZ: Mr. Huffstutler, maybe in the future,
09:26:30 you or somebody in administration ought to have the
09:26:34 meetings a couple of weeks later after we get these
09:26:37 things the night before, you know.
09:26:42 It makes it a little hard for us to say, oh, yeah, we
09:26:42 are going to receive and file and then look at it.
09:26:45 So we did get a report.
09:26:47 But I did -- actually I have the report that you said.
09:26:50 I did have the report to look back at.
09:26:53 So if you can just do that for the next time.
09:26:56 Just do that, you know, give us the report, and then
09:27:00 schedule the meeting two weeks later or something like
09:27:03 that.
09:27:03 >>> Yes, ma'am.
09:27:04 Thank you.

09:27:04 >>ROSE FERLITA: I would obviously not have recanted
09:27:08 the same story that I always do except my colleague
09:27:11 Ms. Alvarez brought it to our attention again.
09:27:14 I'm sure that it took a lot of time to do this, and a
09:27:17 lot of time and energy went into it.
09:27:19 And I would like to tell you, sir, that I had nothing
09:27:21 else to do last night and I stayed up till 5:00
09:27:24 reading it but that's not true.
09:27:25 And so I'm taking it on faith that it's a good
09:27:29 document.
09:27:30 I suspect that it is.
09:27:31 But this is the same request we always make of
09:27:34 administration, and maybe one day it will be listened
09:27:37 to and absorbed.
09:27:39 But supposedly maybe we'll have to dialogue about it
09:27:42 in terms of compliments or comments or whatever.
09:27:45 But at this point, we can't make comments because we
09:27:51 were given the document yesterday.
09:27:52 Not a good way to do business but that's --
09:27:55 >>MARY ALVAREZ: Actually this happens with every
09:27:57 administration.
09:27:57 >>ROSE FERLITA: We are dealing with this be.

09:28:00 The issues that I have are with this administration.
09:28:02 If it were another administration and they were doing
09:28:05 the same thing I would have an issue with them.
09:28:07 It's just a shame really that we don't have that
09:28:09 dialogue.
09:28:09 Had we gotten this earlier we would say, this is
09:28:12 wonderful and thank you.
09:28:13 And I want to highlight this area.
09:28:15 And that doesn't happen.
09:28:21 Lack of communication when you give us documents at
09:28:23 the last minute.
09:28:24 You heard it before and I'm sure you will hear it
09:28:26 again.
09:28:26 >>> I apologize, duly noted and I will make every
09:28:30 effort to satisfy your needs in the future.
09:28:31 I appreciate your patience with me.
09:28:33 >>GWEN MILLER: Thank you.
09:28:34 Okay.
09:28:37 >>> Good morning.
09:28:38 I appreciate the opportunity to meet with you this
09:28:39 morning and I do understand that you obviously haven't
09:28:42 had the opportunity to digest that large of a document

09:28:46 so hopefully I can give you some summary information
09:28:47 that you may find useful.
09:28:50 And I certainly would make the offer to come back and
09:28:52 meet with you again as a group or individually if
09:28:55 after you go through the document you have any
09:28:57 specific questions.
09:28:59 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Why don't we tidy things up a
09:29:04 little bit?
09:29:05 And since you made the offer, I'm going to suggest
09:29:08 that we do exactly that.
09:29:10 If the request is merely to receive and file let's
09:29:16 give us an opportunity to read because this document
09:29:19 is 150 pages.
09:29:24 I don't like to vote on anything we haven't had a
09:29:26 chance ton look at.
09:29:27 I don't know what the circumstances are.
09:29:29 It got to us late and I don't really care.
09:29:31 If it's not time sensitive why don't we just put this
09:29:34 off for two weeks.
09:29:34 We have got the document now.
09:29:36 And let's just give us a chance to read it.
09:29:38 You can brief us on the side if we want and it will be

09:29:42 a lot smoother, I think, if we do it that way.
09:29:44 >> If we could put it on the agenda for next week.
09:29:46 We do have to have this completed and sent to the
09:29:48 state by the 31st.
09:29:50 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: If that's your time frame, that's
09:29:52 fine.
09:29:52 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: A week is better than a day.
09:29:57 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I move to defer for a week.
09:29:59 >>ROSE FERLITA: When was this finalized? Wise ways we
09:30:04 got it from the printer yesterday.
09:30:05 We sent it to you immediately upon receipt.
09:30:09 >>ROSE FERLITA: I would think you would have more
09:30:10 influence with the printer, since the City of Tampa
09:30:13 probably gives them a little business they could have
09:30:15 gotten it to you quicker.
09:30:16 It's always a question of last minute and it always
09:30:19 seems like we whine about everything but reality is
09:30:22 what reality is.
09:30:23 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: That's my motion.
09:30:26 >> Second.
09:30:26 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I would appreciate it if you would
09:30:29 give each of us a call so we could have private

09:30:32 conversation with you about it prior to next Thursday.
09:30:34 I personally have a particular area I'm interested in.
09:30:36 >>BONNIE WISE: Yes, ma'am.
09:30:37 >>GWEN MILLER: All in favor of the motion say Aye.
09:30:40 Opposed, Nay.
09:30:40 (Motion carried).
09:30:43 Mr. Marty Shelby.
09:30:50 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Good morning, council.
09:30:51 The legal department is asking for council to have a
09:30:54 closed session regarding an item of litigation.
09:30:59 And council, the date that has been requested is April
09:31:03 20th.
09:31:04 Council has a 1:30 work session.
09:31:07 I'm wondering if council wishes to do what it did last
09:31:11 time which is to have the meeting during lunch time at
09:31:13 noon.
09:31:14 And council will get the appropriate notice and will
09:31:16 have the appropriate notices filed.
09:31:19 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I know we wouldn't get into
09:31:21 discussion of the merits right now.
09:31:23 That would defeat the purpose.
09:31:24 But what litigation?

09:31:29 >>MARTIN SHELBY: It's a matter, I believe, to speak in
09:31:32 generalities, on inverse condemnation.
09:31:37 I don't believe it's been before council before.
09:31:37 So if you wish --
09:31:38 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: So it's a matter of potential
09:31:40 litigation?
09:31:41 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I really can't speak to the issues.
09:31:44 I just announce the request, the legal department is
09:31:47 looking for guidance with regard to this issue.
09:31:49 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: So we'll know what item it is when
09:31:51 it's scheduled?
09:31:54 So it's public as to what we are going --
09:31:57 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I am going to ask if you have
09:31:59 questions about it, I will ask the legal department to
09:32:01 discuss it with council members prior to that date
09:32:04 individually to know what the subject matter is, if
09:32:06 council wishes.
09:32:10 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Is there a requirement the public
09:32:12 at least has to know what we are going into closed
09:32:15 session about?
09:32:17 >>MARTIN SHELBY: They will know at the appropriate
09:32:19 time.

09:32:19 At this time we are just requesting a date for the
09:32:23 closed session.
09:32:24 If council wishes, if you wish to have somebody from
09:32:27 legal department come back to be able to address that
09:32:30 better.
09:32:34 >>> Rebecca Kert, legal department.
09:32:36 Once we have a date established everything will be
09:32:39 appropriately noticed including the name of the case.
09:32:41 Everyone who will be attending, the amount of time
09:32:43 they will be attending.
09:32:44 That will also be announced.
09:32:46 Directly before you go into the closed session as well
09:32:48 as the -- all the appropriate statements regarding
09:32:51 what the closed session entails.
09:32:52 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: That's way was looking for.
09:32:55 Thank you.
09:32:55 >>GWEN MILLER: Motion and second.
09:32:56 >>KEVIN WHITE: 21st?
09:33:02 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Thursday the 20th at noon.
09:33:06 >>CHAIRMAN: April 20th at noon.
09:33:12 >>MARTIN SHELBY: If that's not acceptable to council I
09:33:14 guess --

09:33:15 >>ROSE FERLITA: I don't have a calendar.
09:33:17 He has.
09:33:17 Can we look at it at some point today, tonight, just
09:33:20 to make sure in keeping with things that we may or may
09:33:23 not schedule at our lunch, Mr. Shelby, if there's no
09:33:27 conflict? I would like to attend, so don't just have
09:33:29 it go forward and I can't come.
09:33:34 Just to make sure.
09:33:35 >>GWEN MILLER: At 6 p.m.
09:33:39 At the beginning of the 5:30.
09:33:41 >>ROSE FERLITA: If there's something any of us can
09:33:44 cancel that's fine but I think it will make this go a
09:33:47 little smoother.
09:33:48 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I learn from this experience.
09:33:54 Thank you.
09:33:55 >>GWEN MILLER: We need a motion to approve the agenda.
09:34:00 >> So moved.
09:34:00 >> Second.
09:34:00 (Motion carried).
09:34:01 >>GWEN MILLER: Is there anyone in the public that
09:34:02 would like to speak on any item on the agenda that is
09:34:04 not set for a public hearing?

09:34:07 Anyone in the public that would like to speak?
09:34:11 Okay.
09:34:15 We go to item number 2.
09:34:19 Is there anyone in the public that would like to ask
09:34:21 for reconsideration?
09:34:22 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: That's a first.
09:34:26 >>GWEN MILLER: Item number 2 is an ordinance that we
09:34:33 need to read.
09:34:36 It closed so no one can speak on it.
09:34:38 Mr. Dingfelder, would you like to read number 2?
09:34:40 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Sure.
09:34:45 It's for first reading.
09:34:48 >>THE CLERK: Madam Chair, the vote of the public
09:34:56 hearing was unanimous.
09:34:57 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I move an ordinance for first
09:35:00 reading vacating, closing, discontinuing, and
09:35:02 abandoning a certain right-of-way a portion of that
09:35:04 alleyway lying south of Durham Street north of Marconi
09:35:10 Street and east of 28th Street, map of East Tampa,
09:35:13 a subdivision located in the City of Tampa,
09:35:14 Hillsborough County Florida the same being more fully
09:35:17 described in section 2 hereof providing an effective

09:35:19 date.
09:35:19 >> Second.
09:35:22 (Motion carried).
09:35:23 >>GWEN MILLER: Item number 3.
09:35:24 Anyone here from transportation?
09:35:30 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: It didn't specifically address the
09:35:32 alley.
09:35:33 >>ROY LAMOTTE: Transportation manager.
09:35:37 I'm going to hand out a graphic a long time ago you
09:35:47 asked us what our inventory was in our public works
09:35:52 yard and I pointed out that we had about 421,000
09:35:58 bricks and about 2,000 feet of granite curb in our
09:36:02 yard, and the direction you gave me after that was to
09:36:04 go out and come back to you with a report about the
09:36:08 alleys particularly in Ybor Historic District.
09:36:12 I'm here this morning to tell you about that.
09:36:14 They were already six alleys in this particular
09:36:18 boundary.
09:36:19 They consist of various materials.
09:36:23 And there's approximately 4.5% of brick in these
09:36:27 alleyways today.
09:36:30 We have estimated it would cost us $3 million to

09:36:34 re-brick these alleyways.
09:36:36 And as you can see on the graphic that's before you
09:36:39 today, and I guess for the general public we can put
09:36:42 it up on LeRoy, there is really only one alleyway
09:36:47 that's totally bricked today and that's the -- I guess
09:36:51 I can point that out here.
09:36:52 I apologize for the smallness of this graphic.
09:36:54 But that's why I have given each of you a copy and
09:36:58 color coded it so that you can see where we have grass
09:37:00 and dirt and asphalt in some of our alleys.
09:37:04 Really the majority of the alleyways here really only
09:37:06 have entryways in brick.
09:37:08 And those are circled on the particular graphic to try
09:37:11 to highlight for you where that exists today.
09:37:15 To put our brick supply back in the context where we
09:37:20 basically have 55 miles of brick street here in Tampa
09:37:24 currently and we only have about 15% worth of material
09:37:28 to keep those streets in good maintenance condition.
09:37:31 As you know, we go and repair streets as utilities
09:37:35 interrupt some of our roadways.
09:37:38 And we have this material, which I might tell you is
09:37:41 not stockpiled in pallet form or cleaned so if we use

09:37:49 these materials we have to clean them up and the
09:37:52 approximate cost to do that would be almost the
09:37:54 equivalent of new bricks just to put in the context.
09:37:56 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Thank you.
09:37:59 We have had an agreement with the Department of
09:38:00 Transportation, who is part of the I-4 widening
09:38:03 project, who is supposed to prioritize and clean and
09:38:06 give us bricks in really good condition.
09:38:08 And my understanding was that they did that.
09:38:10 The bricks disappeared.
09:38:11 This is before your time.
09:38:13 And then they suspended that because they thought we
09:38:15 weren't taking good care of the more bricks.
09:38:20 But given that we are going to see more as the
09:38:23 interstate widening continues and more brick streets
09:38:26 are impacted by that, we might have the opportunity,
09:38:31 if we were to make a case to FDOT, that we would
09:38:37 palletize bricks properly to take the responsibility
09:38:41 and cost of giving us those bricks.
09:38:43 Is that a conversation you had a chance to have with
09:38:45 the Department of Transportation?
09:38:49 >>> To get additional bricks or for future situations?

09:38:52 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Their interstate widening is
09:38:56 impacting brick streets, they were palletizing and
09:38:59 giving them to us.
09:39:00 They were doing that.
09:39:01 But then they suspended it when they didn't think we
09:39:03 were doing a good job of making sure that those bricks
09:39:06 were, you know, being secured.
09:39:10 >>> Well, we are more than willing to have further
09:39:12 discussions with them about further inventory that
09:39:15 they disturb, and ask that they be delivered
09:39:18 palletized.
09:39:18 To date I have not seen that but we are more than
09:39:21 willing to do that for future conditions, and see if
09:39:24 they would be willing to provide those bricks back to
09:39:26 the city.
09:39:26 >>MARY ALVAREZ: Well, Mr. LaMotte, the dirt alleys
09:39:34 that you all have, we have in Ybor City, 17.8%?
09:39:40 >>> Yes, ma'am.
09:39:40 >> Would there be any problem in bricking those?
09:39:44 >>> Again, there's a charge for labor to put them into
09:39:48 place.
09:39:48 >> Well, there's always going to be a charge.

09:39:50 >>> That's correct.
09:39:51 >> But this way we could at least start something
09:39:55 instead of just having them dirt.
09:39:59 >>> That is true.
09:40:00 It would be a project that would undertake, and try to
09:40:02 give you an estimate, is there a particular area in
09:40:04 question that year looking for?
09:40:07 >>> Well, there's various. The map that you're
09:40:09 showing me here has a few of them.
09:40:12 Just look at the little orange line, now.
09:40:18 See where they are.
09:40:23 They run at the historic district, too, from what I
09:40:25 can see.
09:40:27 Maybe we could do two a year or something like that,
09:40:30 where at least we could do something with the bricks
09:40:34 that we do have in inventory, and also to make these
09:40:38 dirt alleys functional instead of just having them
09:40:42 dirt.
09:40:43 You know, I'd like for to you take a look at that and
09:40:47 see what you can do with that.
09:40:49 And also, you know, you go to Westchase, or you go to
09:40:58 Celebration, and their alleys are just beautiful.

09:41:01 And our alleys look like, you know, bad.
09:41:06 So if we have a chance to utilize these bricks, maybe
09:41:11 this is a way to start.
09:41:12 And since we do have some dirt alleys in there, maybe
09:41:17 you can come back and just give us a report, see what
09:41:20 you think.
09:41:20 >>ROY LAMOTTE: I would glad to do that for you.
09:41:24 >>GWEN MILLER: Mrs. Saul-Sena.
09:41:26 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: This is an excellent inventory.
09:41:28 We have never had this kind of information before.
09:41:31 This is really helpful.
09:41:32 And the one big circle that we consider, the whole
09:41:35 thing was done in brick is north of interstate 4,
09:41:38 where the houses were moved by the Department of
09:41:39 Transportation.
09:41:40 And the overseers of the redevelopment specifically
09:41:45 reuse brick there for the alleys and it's such an
09:41:50 attractive enhancement for that redevelopment.
09:41:52 What I'm thinking is, that's the only time the city
09:41:58 has insisted that people who are doing
09:42:00 redevelopment -- and it wasn't the city insisting, it
09:42:03 was the private overseers of the project -- that the

09:42:07 alleys be replaced in brick.
09:42:10 So perhaps, Mrs. Alvarez, as we see redevelopment as
09:42:15 something that we could amend our codes or insist on
09:42:19 is instead of using concrete or asphalt or dirt that
09:42:23 the alleys being redone in brick.
09:42:26 I know it's expensive and I know Mr. LaMotte was
09:42:28 telling us that we need to keep a fair amount of brick
09:42:30 in our inventory in our existing brick streets.
09:42:37 So I don't want to undermine our inventory in going
09:42:41 out and doing it, without a definite plan.
09:42:45 But I think particularly in concert with the specific
09:42:48 redevelopment projects, the idea of going from dirt or
09:42:52 grass to brick would be a huge enhancement.
09:42:57 >>MARY ALVAREZ: That's why I was saying maybe do two a
09:42:59 year, that wouldn't deplete your inventory.
09:43:03 And yet you have got the dirt alleys.
09:43:07 Especially in Ybor City.
09:43:10 That would be, I would think, an enhancement not only
09:43:14 to the alley but for people to keep them clean.
09:43:19 So, you know -- go ahead, Mr. Dingfelder.
09:43:21 But I'm going to ask for a motion to have you come
09:43:24 back in a couple of weeks, or maybe a month, just give

09:43:26 us an idea of how much it would cost to do a couple of
09:43:32 alleys that are dirt right now, and how many bricks it
09:43:37 would use.
09:43:39 >>ROY LAMOTTE: Very well.
09:43:41 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I'll second that motion.
09:43:43 I think that's a great idea to get a cost estimate on
09:43:46 that and see if it's feasible, and perhaps where we
09:43:50 could get the money to do that.
09:43:53 We might want to perhaps discuss that with budget, or
09:43:57 the YCDC, or CRA.
09:44:02 The other component, Mrs. Saul-Sena, I was thinking
09:44:07 also what you were thinking, is that if you have a
09:44:11 large development that, you know, let's say is doing
09:44:15 half of the block, and benefitting from half of that
09:44:19 alley, then I think it's reasonable for the city to --
09:44:25 especially in the barrio, or in other historic
09:44:28 districts, that have brick alleys, that's reasonable
09:44:32 for us to ask the developer to do the alley in brick.
09:44:37 But it's not part of our code.
09:44:39 So I guess, Roy, in conjunction -- Mr. LaMotte, excuse
09:44:48 me -- in conjunction with the zoning department, and
09:44:52 legal department, if you can look into that other

09:44:54 issue as well, and Mary, if I could add that to your
09:44:57 motion, if they could look into that other issue as
09:45:00 well, is what small little tweaking of the code could
09:45:04 we do to address guesting the private sector to do
09:45:07 brick alleys where appropriate?
09:45:11 Obviously if you're just putting one house on one lot,
09:45:14 you know, then it's probably not appropriate for us to
09:45:17 make you brick the whole alley.
09:45:19 But fur doing half or more of the block, then
09:45:22 northbound that case that might kick in.
09:45:24 So we need a certain threshold.
09:45:26 >>ROY LAMOTTE: I understand.
09:45:28 Proportionate share.
09:45:29 We'd be glad to meet with legal on that and zoning.
09:45:31 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I'd like to give you a little more
09:45:34 time to wrestle with both of those because they are
09:45:37 both kind of complex.
09:45:38 Maybe six weeks.
09:45:39 >>MARY ALVAREZ: Yes.
09:45:42 >>GWEN MILLER: We have a motion and second on the
09:45:43 floor.
09:45:44 (Motion carried).

09:45:45 >>KEVIN WHITE: Speaking to Mrs. Saul-Sena's motion
09:45:50 earlier about public comment, I see Mr. Knott just
09:45:54 walked into the audience.
09:45:56 And I'm sure he probably came down to speak on public
09:45:59 comment this morning.
09:46:00 And not knowing that public comment is going to come
09:46:04 first now.
09:46:06 And the majority of council members have been asking
09:46:09 about your whereabouts, Mr. Knott, and why the local
09:46:14 icon has not been here.
09:46:15 And --
09:46:16 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Move to waive the rules.
09:46:18 >>KEVIN WHITE: In all fairness I move to waive the
09:46:20 rules so Mr. Knott can get his three minutes in and
09:46:22 know he'll have to be here at the beginning of the
09:46:25 meeting from now on to speak.
09:46:27 That would be my motion.
09:46:27 >>GWEN MILLER: Mr. Knott, do you want to speak now?
09:46:30 We have a motion and second.
09:46:31 All in favor say Aye.
09:46:32 (Motion carried)
09:46:38 >>KEVIN WHITE: Just for you, Mr. Knott.

09:46:42 >>MARY ALVAREZ: I heard you have been holding court
09:46:44 somewhere.
09:46:44 >>KEVIN WHITE: I told them about your McDonald
09:46:47 rendezvous.
09:46:48 >>MOSES KNOTT, JR.: I reside at 2902 East Ellicott
09:46:51 street.
09:46:52 And then I thank God for his grace and his mercy.
09:46:56 And first I want to tell you why I say that all the
09:46:58 time.
09:46:59 That's all I got going.
09:47:04 I had to come up always a little baby to this day.
09:47:07 So that's why I say that.
09:47:09 Now, the reason I been coming down here, the reason I
09:47:15 haven't been here four or five weeks is I got a tape
09:47:18 at home recording.
09:47:19 Mr. Shelby told me I couldn't speak no more on
09:47:22 unfinished business and public comment until the
09:47:24 meeting is over and they cut the TV off.
09:47:26 Now, I been coming here for years.
09:47:30 I actually went home and I panicked.
09:47:34 Likely go to the hospital.
09:47:35 But they made every attempt in the world to get rid of

09:47:38 me from this public TV thing here.
09:47:41 And also, I been deeply abused in this city for many,
09:47:45 many years.
09:47:46 And it's hard for me to come in to this city knowing
09:47:49 they took all my land.
09:47:50 I owned seven lots of it.
09:47:52 But I thank you for this opportunity.
09:47:55 And it's been hard for me to come down here every week
09:48:00 and knowing that the city is my biggest enemy.
09:48:04 I'm a poor man today.
09:48:05 Everything I had been gone from me.
09:48:07 But I thank you for the opportunity, Mr. White.
09:48:09 And I appreciate you making that, you know, letting me
09:48:15 speak.
09:48:15 But I been coming up here.
09:48:16 I notice when white people come down here now letting
09:48:19 them speak on that.
09:48:20 But get rid of me.
09:48:23 And that's the only thing.
09:48:24 Thank you very much.
09:48:25 >>GWEN MILLER: Thank you, Mr. Knott.
09:48:26 Now we go to item number 4.

09:48:28 We have a resolution for item 4.
09:48:31 Do you have it?
09:48:33 >> So moved.
09:48:34 >> Second.
09:48:34 (Motion carried).
09:48:35 >>GWEN MILLER: Item 5.
09:48:39 We lost two council members.
09:48:40 >>KEVIN WHITE: He's in here.
09:48:43 >>GWEN MILLER: Ms. Alvarez.
09:48:49 We'll go to item number 6.
09:48:54 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: What I read is they asked for
09:48:56 several more weeks to bring something back to us.
09:48:57 They wanted to get the downtown partnership to get tin
09:49:00 put.
09:49:01 >>ROSE FERLITA: Move to continue it.
09:49:04 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Three weeks.
09:49:05 >>GWEN MILLER: Get a second?
09:49:08 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Second.
09:49:08 >>GWEN MILLER: All in favor say Aye in opposed Nay?
09:49:13 (Motion carried) number 7.
09:49:14 Transportation to provide a report.
09:49:15 >>ROSE FERLITA: Mr. White just pointed out, that if

09:49:22 Mary comes back and John sits down, that we need seven
09:49:25 people?
09:49:30 Is that right, Mr. Shelby?
09:49:33 On item 5.
09:49:34 >>CHAIRMAN: Do we have to have a full council?
09:49:49 >>MARTIN SHELBY: As long as you have four votes for
09:49:50 official action you can do it.
09:49:51 >>GWEN MILLER: We have to wait till Mrs. Alvarez comes
09:49:54 back.
09:49:54 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I believe the rule council may be
09:49:58 referring to is anytime there's a need for
09:49:59 reconsideration by council which must be held to the
09:50:01 next board meeting and there is not a full council the
09:50:04 council may continue reconsideration to the next
09:50:06 regular meeting when there is a full council present.
09:50:08 So that's discretionary, if it wishes.
09:50:12 >>ROSE FERLITA: When was this?
09:50:16 Is that the lawn mower?
09:50:19 >>GWEN MILLER: Yes.
09:50:20 Mr. White, are you familiar with that?
09:50:24 >>MARTIN SHELBY: To refresh council's recollection,
09:50:26 this is as a result of general public comment made by

09:50:30 a citizen at the end of the meeting, I think it was
09:50:33 with regard to noise from lawn equipment, was the gist
09:50:37 of his comment.
09:50:39 And there was a request and a motion made to place it
09:50:46 on the agenda.
09:50:49 >>GWEN MILLER: Are you red ready to vote, Mr. White?
09:50:52 We have to wait for Mrs. Alvarez to come back.
09:50:54 >>ROSE FERLITA: I do have a question.
09:50:56 This same gentleman -- and I'm sorry I don't recollect
09:51:00 his name -- but I have a dilemma and maybe you can
09:51:03 advise me or whatever.
09:51:05 I'm not sure.
09:51:06 He came into my place of business and gave me a
09:51:08 letter, you know, to put -- supporting his position on
09:51:13 this.
09:51:13 I read that letter at the drugstore.
09:51:15 And I'm not sure if I have it at the drugstore.
09:51:17 I suspect I have would have to submit it into the
09:51:20 record and I'm not sure where it is at this point.
09:51:22 I believe I left it at the store.
09:51:24 I can't find it.
09:51:25 I guess I can ask him to -- if I can't find the note

09:51:28 because he left it with me someplace else, what do I
09:51:31 need to do to make everything appropriate?
09:51:37 >>MARTIN SHELBY: If you locate the note -- you can ask
09:51:41 for a duplicate but this is not a quasi-judicial
09:51:44 matter.
09:51:44 >>ROSE FERLITA: No, but he gave me something that I
09:51:48 suspect should be in the record.
09:51:49 I suspect it's there but I want to confess and be
09:51:52 clean on this, you know.
09:51:55 >>GWEN MILLER: Okay.
09:51:56 >>ROY LAMOTTE: Transportation manager.
09:52:05 I'm here to discuss a little bit about the Gandy area.
09:52:08 Transportation study.
09:52:10 You asked us to come before you, and we have actually
09:52:13 submitted something in writing to you telling you a
09:52:14 little about where we are with our study.
09:52:18 The study goals again were to evaluate the
09:52:20 transportation impacts of the existing plan proposed.
09:52:23 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: This is item 7?
09:52:26 >>ROY LAMOTTE: That's right, councilman Dingfelder.
09:52:29 And I'm really here today to say to you that we are
09:52:32 moving along with this study, and conducted an

09:52:35 interview with the persons that are knowledgeable in
09:52:37 the Gandy area.
09:52:38 And we have three meetings set up for the study
09:52:42 advisory committee that's going to be held in April on
09:52:44 April the 4th, April 27th, and May the
09:52:47 16th.
09:52:49 We have had the consultant review our annual studies
09:52:52 and we filed land use inventory on GIS.
09:52:57 We are ahead in some of our areas, schedule on this
09:53:01 particular study, and developed a transportation
09:53:03 computer model to evaluate the various traffic
09:53:06 conditions out there, and identified the proposed
09:53:08 constraints.
09:53:09 What I'd like to say to you this morning, though, is
09:53:13 we are not prepared to discuss the findings of the
09:53:16 study, because really we're in the context of making
09:53:18 that evaluation today.
09:53:21 What I have on the Elmo is actually
09:53:24 A time line graphic of where we are, and again I know
09:53:27 you can't see that from your seats.
09:53:31 But basically what I'm explaining to you is we really
09:53:34 don't have any evaluation done with this study until

09:53:37 really April the 16th, when we present the report
09:53:42 May 16th, or the 18th, we will have the
09:53:44 findings ready for you.
09:53:47 We are moving along.
09:53:48 And we have some very good graphics to be able to
09:53:51 share with you and tell you about everything that's
09:53:53 being proposed in the area and how we intend to handle
09:53:56 that.
09:53:57 So if I can, I guess, ask for a little more time I
09:54:01 would appreciate it.
09:54:02 But I'll take any questions that you have relative to
09:54:05 where the study is today.
09:54:08 >>ROSE FERLITA: Mr. LaMotte, I certainly can
09:54:08 understand the fact that this is going to be pretty
09:54:10 comprehensive, and given that maybe you're a little
09:54:12 bit short staffed, too, you need more time.
09:54:16 It's kind of a Delhomme.
09:54:17 Certainly I'll support your request.
09:54:19 But it's kind of a catch-22.
09:54:21 You need longer to make it nice and comprehensive and
09:54:24 give us the data that we need, and at the same time
09:54:27 anything that comes before us between now and then, we

09:54:29 can't benefit from the advantage of your report.
09:54:33 So just do the best you can as quickly as you can.
09:54:36 And a few surprises and it's done before then even if
09:54:40 we move to continue until then, then consider doing
09:54:43 that and coming forward earlier.
09:54:44 This is a tool that's very important to all of us,
09:54:47 particularly South Tampa growth.
09:54:50 >>ROY LAMOTTE: I appreciate that, councilman Ferlita.
09:54:53 We are asking for a number of the stakeholders to
09:54:56 provide input as we move forward with this study, and
09:54:59 that includes everything, from this council to members
09:55:03 of the development community, to members of our
09:55:05 neighborhood associations, and find that getting all
09:55:09 these stakeholders together really helps to get us --
09:55:14 >>ROSE FERLITA: Oh, yeah, I totally agree with you.
09:55:16 I'm saying take as much time as you need to take.
09:55:20 We look forward to working with you in terms of input.
09:55:23 Thank you.
09:55:23 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Two things.
09:55:25 One, Mr. LaMotte, I know that they are gather ago lot
09:55:30 of information.
09:55:31 They called and interviewed me for 45 minutes the

09:55:33 other day, and that's great.
09:55:35 It's very thorough.
09:55:36 I would request that when they have some neighborhood
09:55:41 meetings to discuss this or get input from the
09:55:42 neighborhood, I guess is that part of that?
09:55:45 >>ROY LAMOTTE: Well, there's representatives of the
09:55:47 neighborhood on the advisory committee.
09:55:50 >> So they just do that on a one -- on one basis?
09:55:54 >>> Yes.
09:55:54 >> So forget that.
09:55:56 Ms. Coyle, could I ask you a question?
09:55:59 >>ROSE FERLITA: Mr. Dingfelder, while she's coming up,
09:56:01 were you going in this direction, that if there is
09:56:03 some sort of meeting that we be notified?
09:56:06 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Right.
09:56:06 >>ROSE FERLITA: That's what John was saying.
09:56:09 I think that's very important.
09:56:10 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Maybe we'll just attend and listen.
09:56:12 We don't want to influence but we might just listen.
09:56:15 But if they are not having meetings that's fine.
09:56:18 So just let us know.
09:56:18 >>ROY LAMOTTE: Glad to take anyone's input into

09:56:22 consideration and we welcome you at any time.
09:56:23 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Just let us know if they are going
09:56:26 to have a meeting.
09:56:26 Ms. Coyle, there's a window here that appears to be
09:56:32 about five or six weeks that Mr. LaMotte says the
09:56:35 study will be done.
09:56:36 I just want to make sure there's no major project that
09:56:39 we've scheduled for rezoning, or DRI, or anything else
09:56:43 significant that's going to come within that window
09:56:45 period.
09:56:46 And, you know, that would come up and then we would
09:56:49 have to say, oh, sorry, we don't want to consider that
09:56:52 until we have the study.
09:56:54 >>CATHERINE COYLE: Land development.
09:56:56 You will actually be hearing one tonight.
09:57:00 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: But that's not okay.
09:57:01 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Okay.
09:57:04 And it's a significant, huh?
09:57:06 >>CATHERINE COYLE: I would say so.
09:57:07 >>ROY LAMOTTE: Let me suggest this, council.
09:57:10 I will be attending tonight's meeting for you and if
09:57:12 there's questions that I can assist you with in this

09:57:14 interim time, I will be glad to do so.
09:57:19 If you have any other desires, I'll follow your
09:57:21 direction.
09:57:21 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I guess since it's tonight we'll
09:57:24 have to take it as it comes.
09:57:26 Any others, Ms. Coyle?
09:57:28 >>CATHERINE COYLE: I have to look into it.
09:57:29 I can't say off the top of my head.
09:57:31 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Give us a heads-up if they are.
09:57:34 >>ROSE FERLITA: If I am understanding what Mr.
09:57:36 Dingfelder is saying, and it's a very God point, we
09:57:38 appreciate your input tonight and support in case
09:57:41 there are questions.
09:57:42 But clearly this is not like putting somebody on
09:57:44 notice, but if there's some area that's deficient in
09:57:46 terms of data that you can't, you know, supplement
09:57:50 tonight, there might be a possibility that it is
09:57:53 continued.
09:57:53 And I'm not trying to give that as a warning to
09:57:55 neighbors who are coming or the developer who is
09:57:57 coming.
09:57:57 I don't know.

09:57:58 But that's kind of a problem that we have here.
09:58:02 And I certainly understand what you're saying in terms
09:58:05 of needing more time.
09:58:06 I guess we'll just play it by ear and see what happens
09:58:08 tonight but thank you for being here because we may
09:58:11 need to ask you some things.
09:58:12 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Mr. LaMotte, I'm really pleased you
09:58:15 are going to be here tonight.
09:58:17 I hear the concerns of my colleagues.
09:58:19 When you're factoring thish in, my understanding is
09:58:22 the Georgetown area, which has tremendous development
09:58:25 potential, is not coming to council for any kind of
09:58:28 rezoning, they are just going to build within their
09:58:31 existing rights, which still can have a major number
09:58:33 of units and major impact.
09:58:35 I just want to make sure that you are factoring that
09:58:38 into your calculations about growth in the Gandy
09:58:44 Westshore area.
09:58:46 >>> Absolutely.
09:58:46 We are taking a look at this as comprehensive as we
09:58:50 can.
09:58:50 It will be used in the past F. not doing comprehensive

09:58:53 planning in this case I think we are being very
09:58:55 comprehensive taking all developments, and even
09:58:58 potential in the future.
09:58:58 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I really appreciate that.
09:59:01 Thank you.
09:59:03 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I'm sorry, one other issue just
09:59:06 came to mind, is a long time ago we, council, had
09:59:11 asked staff to get back with us on the subject of
09:59:13 Transportation Concurrency Exception Area, the TCEA
09:59:18 issue.
09:59:19 And I don't know -- I do recall that Mr. Massey was
09:59:24 working on it.
09:59:24 Now he's gone.
09:59:25 I don't know who has picked up that ball in the legal
09:59:28 department.
09:59:28 But I'm sure you and your staff are working on that
09:59:30 issue as well.
09:59:32 But what what's your schedule on getting back with us
09:59:34 on TCEA?
09:59:37 >>ROY LAMOTTE: I will have to check on that.
09:59:38 I don't know as I'm standing here this morning,
09:59:40 council.

09:59:41 But I will be able to suggest we get together with
09:59:43 legal and get you an answer for that.
09:59:45 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Why don't you just give us an
09:59:50 update on that next week just to tell us -- not that I
09:59:53 expect an answer next week but you can even put it in
09:59:56 writing.
09:59:57 By next week.
09:59:59 But just give us the schedule on what we're doing on
10:00:02 TCEA.
10:00:03 And, unfortunately, it was Mr. Massey and Mr. Mansour
10:00:07 who are the two key people on that.
10:00:09 So we need to know who the next two key people are
10:00:12 working on that.
10:00:13 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Second.
10:00:14 >>GWEN MILLER: We have a motion and second.
10:00:16 All in favor of the motion say Aye.
10:00:17 Opposed, Nay.
10:00:18 (Motion carried).
10:00:19 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: One week.
10:00:20 >>GWEN MILLER: Item number 8.
10:00:23 Is anyone here to represent Mr. Goers?
10:00:35 >>> Good morning.

10:00:36 I'm with the Department of Strategic Community and
10:00:39 Technology here on behalf of Randy Goers.
10:00:42 Per council's request on January 19th we submitted
10:00:45 a report in response to the Seminole Heights business
10:00:47 district.
10:00:50 >>GWEN MILLER: Any questions by council members?
10:00:55 Thank you.
10:00:58 Number 9.
10:00:59 Mr. Terry Cullens here?
10:01:02 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Oh, I was in contact with him, if I
10:01:04 could, Madam Chair.
10:01:05 And I told Terry he didn't have to come.
10:01:11 I met with Mr. Cullen and Mr. John wise from the
10:01:16 neighborhood association two days ago to discuss where
10:01:18 we were going to go on this.
10:01:20 And they both requested that we defer this once again
10:01:23 until the last week in April and then that way we
10:01:27 would have our ducks in a row.
10:01:29 So I'll move whatever the week that is.
10:01:34 So moved.
10:01:34 >>KEVIN WHITE: Second.
10:01:36 (Motion carried).

10:01:38 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: And if could you write Mr. Cullen
10:01:40 that.
10:01:41 And Mr. Wise.
10:01:43 >>GWEN MILLER: Is there anyone in the public that
10:01:45 would like to ask for reconsideration?
10:01:50 Anyone in the public like to ask for reconsideration?
10:01:54 We now go to our committee reports.
10:01:58 Public safety, Rose Ferlita.
10:02:01 >>ROSE FERLITA: I'd like to move resolutions 10 and
10:02:06 11, please.
10:02:08 >> Second.
10:02:08 (Motion carried).
10:02:11 >>GWEN MILLER: Mr. Kevin White, vice chair, parks and
10:02:13 recreation.
10:02:13 >>KEVIN WHITE: I would like-like to move 12 through
10:02:16 17.
10:02:16 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Second.
10:02:18 (Motion carried).
10:02:19 >>GWEN MILLER: Public works, Mr. John Dingfelder.
10:02:21 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Move items 18 through 29.
10:02:27 >> Second.
10:02:28 >>CHAIRMAN: Motion and second.

10:02:31 (Motion carried).
10:02:38 Finance Committee, Mr. Kevin White.
10:02:40 >>KEVIN WHITE: I would like to move 30, 31, 33 through
10:02:46 36, and 38 and 39.
10:02:50 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Second.
10:02:54 37 was pulled.
10:02:55 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: You want to do that two weeks.
10:02:59 >>MARY ALVAREZ: This is just to receive and file.
10:03:04 >>GWEN MILLER: We have a motion and second.
10:03:06 (Motion carried).
10:03:07 >>GWEN MILLER: Building and zoning.
10:03:10 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Item 32?
10:03:17 It's one I pulled.
10:03:18 The only thing I wanted to do on 32, about a month ago
10:03:22 council addressed that issue that came up in regard to
10:03:24 the Channelside consultant and the conflicts related
10:03:28 to that consultant that sort of came up out of nowhere
10:03:32 and surprised us.
10:03:33 And so as I was looking at item 32, I realized that
10:03:40 this is another form agreement with consultants that
10:03:44 should probably also have language in it to address
10:03:47 that potential conflict issue.

10:03:53 So I talked to staff at length.
10:03:55 They were here a minute ago.
10:03:56 But I told them they didn't necessarily have to stick
10:03:59 around.
10:04:00 I was uncomfortable with doing this agreement today.
10:04:04 However, staff has agreed that when they drafted new
10:04:07 language, they would come back to us and amend this
10:04:12 form agreement to reflect that new language at a later
10:04:16 date, which might be four to six weeks away.
10:04:19 So I'm comfortable with that.
10:04:21 I'm comfortable with letting item 32 go today, because
10:04:23 obviously they need to keep hiring these consultants
10:04:26 to keep doing the God work for the city.
10:04:28 But with that said, I'm also comfortable that staff
10:04:31 will come back to us shortly and give us some language
10:04:35 that will protect us in regard to conflicts of
10:04:38 consultants.
10:04:38 That was long-winded.
10:04:40 >>MARY ALVAREZ: That was good.
10:04:45 >>KEVIN WHITE: Move 32.
10:04:46 >> Second.
10:04:46 (Motion carried)

10:04:48 Saul-Sena Saul-Sena I appreciate you following through
10:04:51 on that.
10:04:51 It's something that I think is just not been directly
10:04:53 recognized and addressed.
10:04:55 And I think that we should.
10:04:58 Thank you.
10:04:58 >>GWEN MILLER: Linda Saul-Sena, building and zoning.
10:05:00 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Thank you.
10:05:06 I'd like to move resolutions 40 through 46.
10:05:09 And 48 through 49.
10:05:16 >> Second.
10:05:16 >>GWEN MILLER: Motion and second.
10:05:17 (Motion carried).
10:05:19 >>MARY ALVAREZ: What did we do with 47?
10:05:21 >> I want a staff person to come and provide
10:05:24 additional explanation on it.
10:05:25 >>GWEN MILLER: Do we have someone here?
10:05:27 >>GWEN MILLER: Come up.
10:05:30 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: 47.
10:05:33 >>> Julie Brown, city attorney office, here on item 47
10:05:37 which is a resolution approving a a release agreement
10:05:40 between the City of Tampa as the successor of the

10:05:43 urban renewal agency, and with Fifth Third Bank who is
10:05:48 by merger with southern exchange bank successor to
10:05:51 Columbia bank of Ybor City.
10:05:53 And just to give you some background on this property,
10:05:55 it is at 2028 east 7th down in Ybor.
10:05:59 And it's going to be old urban renewal agency
10:06:03 properties.
10:06:04 And it has originally the Columbia state bank, and
10:06:07 basically certain deed restrictions on use and
10:06:12 building requirements and construction and currently
10:06:16 Fifth Third Bank is selling the property to a third
10:06:19 party.
10:06:19 They have asked us to release certain restrictions
10:06:21 that have already been met, i.e., the completion of
10:06:25 construction of the bank building.
10:06:26 However, they have also agreed to have the remainder
10:06:32 of restrictions governing use continued with the land.
10:06:33 So that's what that accomplishes.
10:06:34 And we actually have John Newcomb and Jeff Shannon
10:06:38 here with Fifth Third Bank and also the third party
10:06:42 purchaser.
10:06:44 If you have any questions.

10:06:45 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: My concern is just two-fold.
10:06:51 The wording was very confusing and I didn't understand
10:06:55 what was happening. This is 7th and what street?
10:06:57 >>> I believe 7th and 21st.
10:06:59 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Oh, the old Columbia bank.
10:07:04 I want to make sure that whatever happens with Barrio
10:07:06 Latino gets to weigh in, in terms of the historic
10:07:09 characteristics of the property.
10:07:10 >>JULIE BROWN: I would -- do you want to come up?
10:07:19 >>> John Newcomb with mechanic Nuccio law firm here on
10:07:22 behalf of the respective purchase purchaser.
10:07:25 At the present time the purchaser has no present plans
10:07:27 to do anything other than some renovations to the bank
10:07:31 building.
10:07:32 Perhaps some material renovations, just to clean it
10:07:35 up.
10:07:35 But has no plans to do anything further to that bank
10:07:39 building so I don't think that's going to be a problem
10:07:41 at all.
10:07:41 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Welcome, Mr. Newcomb.
10:07:49 As Ms. Brown mentioned some of these conditions would
10:07:51 carry over into the new agreement.

10:07:53 >>> Correct.
10:07:53 There was a schedule B that was attached to the
10:07:55 contract for sale and purchase between the urban
10:07:57 renewal agency and the Columbia bank back in 1972.
10:08:03 It was also incorporated into the deed.
10:08:07 All of those restrictions would carry forward and
10:08:10 continue to govern this property and the city could
10:08:12 still enforce those restrictions.
10:08:15 Basically the concerns that we had was that back in
10:08:18 1972 there were certain requirements to do some
10:08:21 improvements, which would have taken care of way back
10:08:25 when, but there was then to have been recorded a
10:08:28 certificate of completion by the urban renewal agency,
10:08:31 because there's never been a change in title for all
10:08:33 these years.
10:08:34 This is the first opportunity for that to have been
10:08:38 observed but never had a certificate of completion
10:08:41 recorded.
10:08:41 Under those documents that are of record, if the
10:08:45 certificate of completion is recorded, not recorded,
10:08:47 and the improvements were not done, there could be no
10:08:52 sale or transfer, encumbrance of the property without

10:08:55 reverter back to the agency and that's the restriction
10:08:59 we are mostly concerned about.
10:08:59 >> Could we revisit urban renewal generally at this
10:09:05 time?
10:09:06 >>> I hope not.
10:09:07 >> Thank you.
10:09:08 Any other questions?
10:09:10 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I appreciate the explanation.
10:09:12 Move 47.
10:09:12 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Second.
10:09:14 (Motion carried).
10:09:16 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Number 50.
10:09:17 Move an ordinance amending a scrivener error on
10:09:20 exhibit A of ordinance 2005-159 which authorized the
10:09:24 vacating, closing, discontinuing, abandoning of a
10:09:26 certain public right-of-way comprising all that
10:09:29 50-foot portion of 35th street south of the
10:09:31 intersection of 2nd Avenue, all that portion of
10:09:34 2nd Avenue West of 37th street, but not
10:09:37 including the intersection of 35th street, the
10:09:40 easterly 10 by 50-foot portion of 36th street
10:09:43 south of 2nd Avenue and all that 10-foot alley in

10:09:46 block 11 south of 2nd Avenue bound by 35th
10:09:49 street on the west and 36th street east on the
10:09:53 east in second revision east bay park, a subdivision
10:09:57 located in the City of Tampa, Hillsborough County,
10:09:59 Florida, providing an effective date.
10:10:00 >>GWEN MILLER: I have a motion and second.
10:10:03 (Motion carried).
10:10:06 >> Number 51.
10:10:07 Move an ordinance renaming and designating grassdale
10:10:12 drive generally located within Grand Hampton phase
10:10:15 1-C-1 within the City of Tampa Hillsborough County,
10:10:19 Florida, so it will that it will it will here after be
10:10:23 known as Hampton Glen drive and renaming and
10:10:27 designating Coffey drive generally located within
10:10:30 Grand Hampton phase 2-A-1 within the City of Tampa,
10:10:34 Hillsborough County so it will be here afternoon known
10:10:38 as Hampton Lake Drive providing an effective date.
10:10:41 >> Second.
10:10:41 (Motion Carried).
10:10:42 >>SHAWN HARRISON: Big mosquito key was the prior name.
10:10:49 Okay.
10:10:49 52.

10:10:50 Move an ordinance authorizing the construction
10:10:52 installation of a proposed encroachment balconies by
10:10:57 ABC capital, Inc., apportion of the public
10:10:59 right-of-way known as Franklin Street generally
10:11:01 located between Tyler and Harrison street, as more
10:11:04 particularly described herein subject to certain
10:11:07 terms, covenants, conditions and agreements as more
10:11:09 particularly described herein providing an effective
10:11:11 date.
10:11:11 >> Second.
10:11:12 (Motion Carried).
10:11:13 >>GWEN MILLER: Transportation, Mary Alvarez, vice
10:11:14 chair.
10:11:14 >>MARY ALVAREZ: I would like to move item 53 to 57.
10:11:19 >> We have a motion.
10:11:20 Second?
10:11:22 All in favor of the motion say Aye.
10:11:23 Opposed, nay.
10:11:24 Mr. Dingfelder.
10:11:24 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Thank you, Mr. Chair.
10:11:27 I see a member of Tampa firefighters is here.
10:11:30 And I would ask if he would come forward and tell us

10:11:34 what you guys are going to be doing on April 21st
10:11:37 and May 5th and why.
10:11:38 >>ROSE FERLITA: Captain Spiccolo.
10:11:46 >> Captain Spiccolo, Tampa Fire. This is our annual
10:11:50 MBA boot drive.
10:11:52 >> Muscular dystrophy.
10:11:53 >> And we are asking this be moved when we usually do
10:11:56 it before August right before the telethon because we
10:11:59 are tired of fighting hurricanes, thunderstorms and
10:12:02 heat. So we are asking to do it in April this time.
10:12:06 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I just wanted to get you up at the
10:12:09 podium to remind everybody that when they see our
10:12:12 firefighters out on the street with boots that they
10:12:13 are out there for a good cause as volunteers, and
10:12:18 that's April 21st and 28th and loot like May
10:12:22 5th as well.
10:12:24 >>> Consecutive Fridays.
10:12:25 >> Let's be generous to that good cause.
10:12:27 Thank you.
10:12:28 >>GWEN MILLER: Next time you see Mr. Dingfelder, get a
10:12:31 collection.
10:12:32 (Laughter).

10:12:34 Okay.
10:12:34 Mrs. Alvarez.
10:12:35 >>MARY ALVAREZ: I would like to move items 58 through
10:12:39 60.
10:12:41 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Second.
10:12:41 (Motion carried).
10:12:43 >>GWEN MILLER: Now that we have six members of council
10:12:46 let's go back to item number 5.
10:12:49 We need to vote on that item.
10:12:53 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: What is the motion?
10:12:58 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: It was your motion.
10:12:59 >>GWEN MILLER: That council places on March 23rd,
10:13:10 vote on lawn mowers.
10:13:13 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: That legal department look at it,
10:13:16 as a motion.
10:13:17 >>MARY ALVAREZ: We have been looking at that ad
10:13:19 nauseam.
10:13:20 >>GWEN MILLER: All in favor say Aye.
10:13:22 Opposed, Nay.
10:13:25 >> Miller, Alvarez, Ferlita, white, no.
10:13:27 >>ROSE FERLITA: Just a quick note.
10:13:31 We didn't discuss it.

10:13:32 But the reason I'm not supporting it is the fact that
10:13:34 we have some decibel levels in place already and it
10:13:39 always comes down to the same thing, enforcement.
10:13:42 I don't think we need to modify it again.
10:13:46 >>GWEN MILLER: We have already --
10:13:52 >>KEVIN WHITE: They don't have the equipment to
10:13:54 enforce it.
10:13:56 >>MARY ALVAREZ: I don't understand how come we don't
10:13:58 have equipment to enforce it.
10:14:00 We keep talking about that over and over and over
10:14:02 again.
10:14:02 >>ROSE FERLITA: Noise meters are too expensive. The
10:14:07 city has to operate on two and a half noise meters.
10:14:09 >>GWEN MILLER: Now we go to our public hearings for
10:14:15 second reading.
10:14:16 Items 61 through 70.
10:14:18 Would anyone in the public like to speak on these
10:14:20 items?
10:14:21 Please stand and raise your right hand.
10:14:26 >>THE CLERK: Do you solemnly swear or affirm to tell
10:14:30 the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth?
10:14:35 >>GWEN MILLER: Mr. Shelby?

10:14:39 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
10:14:40 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Has council received any documents?
10:14:42 I'd like to have a motion, please, that all written
10:14:45 communications relative to today's hearings, that have
10:14:47 been available to the public at council's office be
10:14:49 received and filed into the record.
10:14:52 >> So moved.
10:14:52 >> Second.
10:14:52 (Motion carried).
10:14:54 >>MARTIN SHELBY: A quick reminder to council members
10:14:56 to disclose any ex parte communications prayer to
10:14:59 vote.
10:14:59 Thank you.
10:14:59 >>GWEN MILLER: We need to open 61 to 70.
10:15:03 >> So moved.
10:15:03 >> Second.
10:15:03 (Motion carried).
10:15:04 >>GWEN MILLER: Is there anyone in the public that
10:15:07 would like to be speak on item 61?
10:15:09 >>MARY ALVAREZ: Move to close.
10:15:10 >> Second.
10:15:11 (Motion carried).

10:15:12 >>GWEN MILLER: Mr. White.
10:15:13 >>KEVIN WHITE: Move the following ordinance upon
10:15:18 second reading, an ordinance vacating, closing,
10:15:20 discontinuing, and abandoning a certain right-of-way
10:15:24 the remaining portion of the that alleyway running
10:15:26 north and south in block 2 of Livonia Dodds Cline
10:15:33 subdivision generally located southwest of the
10:15:36 intersection of North Franklin Street and east oak
10:15:38 Avenue in LIVONIA Dodds Cline subdivision Tampa,
10:15:48 Hillsborough County the same being more fully
10:15:49 described in section 2 hereof providing an effective
10:15:51 date.
10:15:51 >>GWEN MILLER: Voice vote.
10:15:52 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I'm trying to remember this before
10:15:55 I vote on it.
10:15:55 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Could we have someone from staff
10:15:59 give us the location, not the legal description?
10:16:04 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I wasn't here at the vote but it
10:16:07 seems like I remember this one.
10:16:09 Is Mr. Cook here?
10:16:11 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Why don't we hold this until he can
10:16:14 come?

10:16:14 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Is this the one near Stetson?
10:16:20 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I believe that it was.
10:16:21 It was an entire block of retail on the bottom, and
10:16:25 they are proposing residential, and it's accessible to
10:16:28 both Florida and Franklin streets.
10:16:30 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I'm comfortable.
10:16:34 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Yes.
10:16:36 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Yes.
10:16:37 >>MARY ALVAREZ: Yes.
10:16:42 >>GWEN MILLER: Yes.
10:16:45 >>ROSE FERLITA: Yes.
10:16:47 I was distracting her.
10:16:48 Sorry.
10:16:48 >>KEVIN WHITE: Yes.
10:16:51 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried with Harrison being
10:16:54 absent.
10:16:54 >>GWEN MILLER: Number 62.
10:17:00 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Could somebody on staff address
10:17:02 this very quickly?
10:17:03 Because I was not here on first reading.
10:17:10 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I think I can.
10:17:11 There's a staff person.

10:17:12 That's better.
10:17:16 >>> Rebecca Kert, legal department. This would be the
10:17:20 for the addition of a hotel.
10:17:23 A 300 units.
10:17:24 It was approved by reviewing agencies. In fact they
10:17:28 did believe that it would improve the transportation
10:17:31 out there because it would keep internally the trips.
10:17:35 >> Is there a trade-off?
10:17:37 They give up something?
10:17:39 What was it?
10:17:41 >>> It is a trade-off mechanism and there would be
10:17:43 office and they are trading the office for the hotel,
10:17:45 which will improve the transportation.
10:17:49 >>GWEN MILLER: Motion and second to close.
10:17:50 (Motion carried).
10:17:51 Mr. White?
10:17:52 >>KEVIN WHITE: Move to approve the following ordinance
10:17:56 upon second reading, an ordinance of the city of
10:17:58 Tampa, Florida approving third amendment to the
10:18:00 development order rendered pursuant to chapter 380,
10:18:03 Florida statutes, for the university center research
10:18:05 and development park FRI number 161 providing an

10:18:09 effective date.
10:18:10 >> Second.
10:18:10 >>GWEN MILLER: Voice roll call.
10:18:17 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried with Harrison being
10:18:19 absent.
10:18:20 >>GWEN MILLER: Is there anyone in the public that
10:18:22 wants to speak on item 63?
10:18:25 >> Move to close.
10:18:26 >>STEVE MICHELINI: A a quick comment.
10:18:30 I was notified yesterday afternoon that a provision
10:18:33 that was supposed to have been included in this code
10:18:36 revision didn't make it.
10:18:38 I don't want to ask you to hold this up.
10:18:41 But I have spoken with Julia Cole.
10:18:44 And what we would like for you to do is to direct the
10:18:47 legal department to come back with an amendment.
10:18:49 The issue is that a camphor tree is classified as a
10:18:53 grand tree.
10:18:54 It should be classified as a protected tree and not a
10:18:56 grand tree.
10:18:57 The State of Florida classifies it as an invasive
10:19:01 species.

10:19:02 Although there's not a lot of problems with it, the
10:19:04 issue is --
10:19:08 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: you don't mean grand, you mean
10:19:12 nuisance.
10:19:13 >>> It's classified as a grand tree and it should be
10:19:16 classified as a protected tree.
10:19:17 It's not in your current ordinance that's being
10:19:20 presented to you.
10:19:20 I don't -- don't hold this up.
10:19:22 We have been dealing with this too long.
10:19:24 Just ask the legal department to prepare the amendment
10:19:27 to bring it back at a future date as soon as they can
10:19:29 prepare that language.
10:19:31 That's all we are requesting.
10:19:32 >>GWEN MILLER: Ms. Cole, do you want to say something?
10:19:34 >>JULIA COLE: We can go ahead and do -- go ahead a go
10:19:41 ahead and review that with a new amendment to this
10:19:43 because as Mr. Michelini said, he didn't want to hold
10:19:46 this up.
10:19:46 And that would I believe this require to go back to
10:19:49 first reading for that issue.
10:19:50 But I did want to also point out to council that

10:19:52 pursuant to your motion at first reading, legal
10:19:56 department has changed the language in section 13-9-A
10:19:59 to say that the city shall initiate a tree canopy
10:20:03 study by December 31st, 2006.
10:20:08 >>ROSE FERLITA: Ms. Cole, I don't want to.
10:20:12 To know if you want to answer this now.
10:20:13 I want a clear understanding of what we can and can't
10:20:16 do with camphor trees.
10:20:18 What their standing is, if you would.
10:20:25 >>> Steve Graham, Parks and Recreation Department.
10:20:29 Rose, the camphor trees always been on the grand tree
10:20:32 list, and the proposal that we are pursuing is to
10:20:37 change that from grand tree status to protected tree
10:20:40 status.
10:20:41 We are aware it is on the invasive species list just
10:20:44 because of its reproductive capacity and how the
10:20:48 seedlings that come from that invade natural areas and
10:20:51 disrupt natural systems.
10:20:52 In urban areas, they are still fine shade trees and a
10:20:57 lot of people feel strongly about that.
10:20:59 >> I guess my question to that particular portion of
10:21:02 that, Steve, depending on the size, what are the

10:21:05 rights of the property owner if it's on some of his
10:21:15 structure?
10:21:15 Is that dictated by the size of the tree or what?
10:21:18 >>> Well, grand trees are larger trees so if they
10:21:21 exceed that threshold of grand tree of 175 points,
10:21:24 which is roughly 34 inches in diameter, we are still
10:21:27 treating them as grand trees.
10:21:29 >> So then that trumps what you are trying to do here.
10:21:33 If it's a big camphor tree, then we still have to deal
10:21:37 with it as a grand tree?
10:21:37 >>> Until that section of the code is changed.
10:21:40 And we're supportive of changing it.
10:21:42 >> Then subsequent to that, regardless of the size of
10:21:44 the camphor tree, what can or can't be done if it
10:21:48 poses a problem to a resident?
10:21:51 We have a lot of camphor trees in Hyde Park and I'm
10:21:53 trying to get a clarification, once this goes into
10:21:56 effect.
10:21:56 >>> Okay.
10:21:57 Well, grand trees get a little more attention.
10:21:59 If the camphor tree is changed from grand to
10:22:02 protected, then it will be treated just like any other

10:22:04 protected tree.
10:22:05 And if it coincidentally is causing some sort of
10:22:09 structural damage then it will be permitted to come
10:22:11 out.
10:22:11 >>ROSE FERLITA: And I just say this from the
10:22:14 standpoint of example, if colleagues will allow me to
10:22:17 explain this.
10:22:18 We have particularly on my street, we have a lot of
10:22:20 camphor trees.
10:22:21 And camphor trees tend to grow and get big in that
10:22:24 area and they are very old and very big and lots of
10:22:27 times there are problems with it on sidewalks.
10:22:29 And you know that.
10:22:31 >>> Must be Willow street.
10:22:33 >> Must be Willow.
10:22:33 An old friend of mine by the name of Ross Ferlita when
10:22:37 he was here certainly showed no partiality, and that
10:22:41 thing continues to come up, my wall, my house.
10:22:44 I had the unique privilege of spending a couple
10:22:47 thousand dollars of my own to do root pruning and I'm
10:22:50 happy to sigh this is coming up so in the event that
10:22:52 happens again I think the citizens have more

10:22:54 protection to protect our property.
10:22:56 So I'm happy to support that, just from personal
10:22:58 experience.
10:22:59 Thank you, Mr. Ferlita if you're listening.
10:23:04 Thanks.
10:23:04 >>GWEN MILLER: Mr. Dingfelder?
10:23:06 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: So, Mr. Graham, I'm a little
10:23:11 confused, from your professional opinion.
10:23:13 Because if it's a good tree and a good shade tree and
10:23:18 healthy tree, then why would your professional opinion
10:23:22 to allow to the not have the protection of being a
10:23:25 grand tree?
10:23:28 >>> Well, that's a valid question.
10:23:30 I do feel it makes a great shade tree.
10:23:32 But it is very prolific and seeds do find their way to
10:23:36 natural areas, and they can cause problems.
10:23:38 And because the state has chosen to place it on the
10:23:41 category one invasive species list, it would be real
10:23:45 hard to defend a position if it went to some sort of
10:23:48 legal forum and try to assert that it be protected.
10:23:54 I don't think we could win.
10:23:56 >> But in the same breath we are saying that we should

10:23:59 downgrade to the allow it to be protected.
10:24:02 >>> We could have gone further and placed it on the
10:24:05 exempt list.
10:24:06 But we're still retaining them as protected trees
10:24:08 because some people do place a high value on them.
10:24:13 And just on the subject of invasive species, that's
10:24:17 one of the things that gets kicked around quite a bit.
10:24:19 But curiously enough, I was looking at some of the
10:24:22 information, literature in the botany records, and
10:24:28 camphor trees, they are not exactly exotic but are
10:24:32 invasive.
10:24:32 >> Are they native to Florida 06 million years ago?
10:24:36 >>> I would suggest you draw your own conclusion.
10:24:40 (Laughter).
10:24:42 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Well, I don't know that we need to
10:24:44 expedite this issue in regard to having that come
10:24:48 through the entire process as its own thing.
10:24:51 As a matter of fact we agreed with the industry that
10:24:53 we wouldn't do another tree amendment until we
10:24:56 finished the study.
10:25:00 So I'd say we just defer that until we come back with
10:25:03 the bigger batch of amendments.

10:25:09 >>STEVE MICHELINI: If I could address the council very
10:25:11 quickly.
10:25:11 It was discussed in the committee that the various
10:25:13 components of the committee had no objection to it
10:25:15 being included in that manner.
10:25:17 And it seems like if we hold this back up, then a lot
10:25:21 of the components that there was agreement on don't
10:25:23 get in there.
10:25:24 And this was one that we happened to -- everyone
10:25:28 agreed the camphor tree needed to be on the protected
10:25:32 list.
10:25:32 >> You and Rose both have a camphor tree --
10:25:37 >>> No, I do not.
10:25:38 >> I was just kidding.
10:25:39 >>ROSE FERLITA: Let me just explain so there's no
10:25:39 misunderstanding. I agree with you, Steve.
10:25:41 I resolved my problem.
10:25:42 But because of the numerous camphor trees there, Mr.
10:25:45 Dingfelder, I know you are not making any kind of --
10:25:47 >>: I'm just teasing.
10:25:48 >>ROSE FERLITA: But what I'm saying if we wait to get
10:25:51 it in the process later there are a lot of trees in

10:25:53 that area that might need to be looked at, et cetera,
10:25:56 and I don't want anybody who has the same problem that
10:25:58 I had to absorb that extra cost, if it needs to be
10:26:01 done, if it's affecting the structure.
10:26:04 Fountain was something that was discussed during that
10:26:06 committee, I kind of think --
10:26:10 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: But if it's affecting the structure
10:26:12 we have a process where they will come to council and
10:26:16 say it's affecting the structure and we can take it
10:26:18 out.
10:26:18 That's part of our pro process.
10:26:21 >>STEVE MICHELINI: you're placing that hardship on the
10:26:29 property owner instead of being handled at the
10:26:29 administrative level and the staff level where they
10:26:32 can make the judgment.
10:26:33 Fits appealed, if they decide that it is still worth
10:26:36 saving, the appeal process comes to you all, or the
10:26:39 Variance Review Board.
10:26:41 But, anyway, it was discussed.
10:26:44 There was no dissension on this matter.
10:26:46 If there was, I wouldn't come to you and ask that you
10:26:50 make a minor amendment, an adjustment to the

10:26:54 ordinance.
10:26:54 But again we are not asking to hold up this.
10:26:56 Go ahead with second reading.
10:26:58 All we are asking for is come back with a minor
10:27:01 amendment.
10:27:07 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I wanted to share what was going on
10:27:09 at those meetings, and the state's invasive species,
10:27:12 committees of our -- members of our committee found
10:27:14 two overarching.
10:27:16 There were some terrific trees that somehow made it
10:27:18 onto the list and said, no, we didn't consider them
10:27:23 invasive.
10:27:25 We decided they should be included but not protected
10:27:27 to the same degree as other trees.
10:27:28 So I just want ton share that background.
10:27:31 Madam Chairman, if I may.
10:27:32 >>GWEN MILLER: We need to close the public hearing.
10:27:35 >>MARY ALVAREZ: So moved.
10:27:36 >> Second.
10:27:36 (Motion carried)
10:27:38 >>GWEN MILLER: Mrs. Saul-Sena want to read that
10:27:40 because she's a tree lover.

10:27:41 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I do.
10:27:44 And I have to share with my colleagues, I just came
10:27:47 back from New Orleans, and I didn't see the city as
10:27:50 devastated as it might have been.
10:27:51 I was afraid that I would -- they have so many
10:27:53 wonderful old trees and it would be really painful.
10:27:56 But it really looked pretty good.
10:27:58 But they had a huge number of huge old live oaks right
10:28:03 smack across the curb cut like that that were still
10:28:05 standing intact.
10:28:07 So trees really do survive all kinds of challenges.
10:28:10 I move to adopt move the following ordinance upon
10:28:14 second reading, chapter 13 landscaping tree removal
10:28:18 and site clearing amending section 13-4 definitions
10:28:21 amending section 13-7 exemptions for certain trees,
10:28:25 departments, aviation, public safety, amending section
10:28:28 13-9
10:28:30 Tree can oop I study amend willing section 13-44
10:28:33 permit site, section and site clearing, exemptions,
10:28:37 amending section 13-45 same tree removal and placement
10:28:41 tree trimming exemptions amending section 13-146
10:28:44 effect any Cal standards adopted, amending section

10:28:47 13-161 landscape and tree planting requirements,
10:28:51 amending section 13-162, landscape and tree planting
10:28:56 standards, amending chapter 16 parks and recreation,
10:29:01 adding article 3 landscape area trust fund, providing
10:29:06 for severability, providing for repeal of all
10:29:09 ordinances in conflict, providing an effective date.
10:29:12 >> Second.
10:29:13 >>GWEN MILLER: We have a motion and second.
10:29:15 Villaraigosa role call.
10:29:18 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried with Harrison being
10:29:21 absent.
10:29:22 >>GWEN MILLER: Is there anyone in the public that
10:29:24 would like to be speak on item 64?
10:29:28 >>MARY ALVAREZ: Are we going to make a motion to
10:29:30 amend -- I'd like to make a motion to have legal make
10:29:37 an amendment to the tree ordinance as proposed by
10:29:40 Steve Michelini.
10:29:43 >> Second.
10:29:43 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I'd like to clarify that.
10:29:45 It's specifically taking camphor trees from grand tree
10:29:48 status to protected tree status.
10:29:50 >>MARY ALVAREZ: Absolutely, yes.

10:29:52 (Motion carried).
10:29:56 >>THE CLERK: Dingfelder, no.
10:29:58 >>GWEN MILLER: Move to close.
10:29:59 >> Second.
10:29:59 (Motion carried).
10:30:00 >>CHAIRMAN: Ms. Ferlita?
10:30:04 >>ROSE FERLITA: I would like to move this ordinance
10:30:09 after second reading, an ordinance approving a special
10:30:11 use permit S-2 approving a 150-foot monopole in a CG
10:30:16 commercial general zoning district in the general
10:30:18 vicinity of 2400 east Busch Boulevard in the city of
10:30:22 Tampa, Florida and as more particularly described in
10:30:24 section 1 hereof increasing the maximum allowable
10:30:27 height from 80 feet to 150 feet providing an effective
10:30:31 date.
10:30:31 >> Second.
10:30:31 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I have a question for legal.
10:30:34 I understand that the technology of monopoles and
10:30:38 cellular distribution is changing.
10:30:39 But in a few years we are going to go from the greater
10:30:44 heights that are allowed now to lesser heights that
10:30:47 are going to be usable by technology in the future.

10:30:52 So my question is this:
10:30:55 If we grant a special use permit allowing a 150-foot
10:31:01 pole, and in the future the technology doesn't require
10:31:05 heights that great, maybe 50 or 60 or less than 100
10:31:08 feet, can we have some sort of reverter clause in the
10:31:11 permission giving the entity that's put up this tall
10:31:17 pole a certain period of time like 12 or 24 months to
10:31:20 lower the pole?
10:31:22 Because I frankly think these very tall poles are very
10:31:26 unsightly, and as soon as they are not required
10:31:28 anymore, I'd like to see them come down to a lesser
10:31:32 height.
10:31:33 So my question is, if that's not in our ordinance now,
10:31:36 can we adopt it and make it retroactive or not?
10:31:41 You know what I'm saying?
10:31:42 The technology, from what I've read -- and I have read
10:31:49 a fair amount about this -- the technology in, say,
10:31:50 five years is going to change and that won't require
10:31:54 these exceedingly tall, unattractive poles.
10:31:58 Can we have the property owner that we are giving
10:32:01 special permission to bring it down after a certain
10:32:03 number of years?

10:32:05 >>JULIA COLE: That's something we would have to look
10:32:06 at there. Have been some changes in state law
10:32:09 recently as they relate to cell towers that we have to
10:32:12 consider, and review, and it may take a change to our
10:32:17 current ordinances to deal with that issue, in terms
10:32:20 of it being retroactive, I would have to do some legal
10:32:24 research on that, because when you grant a special use
10:32:27 permit, there are certain property rights that does
10:32:32 give to a property owner that we have to make sure of.
10:32:35 So I would request -- maybe the best way to handle
10:32:38 that is for you to make a motion to direct legal to
10:32:42 research that.
10:32:45 Implementing federal law.
10:32:50 >>ROSE FERLITA: Ms. Cole, I'm kind of concerned about
10:32:52 that suggestion and I'll tell you why.
10:32:54 Technology changes in many fields, in many areas.
10:32:56 And it just seems like we are imposing a retroactive
10:33:01 requirement on the petitioner, and not knowing what
10:33:03 that retroactive is, you've got an unknown factor that
10:33:07 they have got to come back and it's going to be a
10:33:09 financial burden.
10:33:10 I understand all of us are concerned about pollution.

10:33:14 You and I sit on the sign committee together as does
10:33:16 Mr. Shelby.
10:33:17 But I think once something is done here it's done.
10:33:19 I don't think we can have something hanging that says
10:33:21 in the event something comes up, this is what you have
10:33:23 got to do, because you can accomplish the same thing
10:33:27 at a lower level than you're requesting now.
10:33:30 I think that that's imposing a financial burden that
10:33:33 exceeds our purview.
10:33:35 I know you are going to bring back, you know, some
10:33:36 sort of -- I would be concerned about that because
10:33:40 then if we use that here, then maybe some other
10:33:43 area -- and I can't think of an example right now
10:33:46 analogous to. This but if something happens, then you
10:33:48 have to change it based on technology and improvements
10:33:51 and modernization in 20 years from now.
10:33:55 I think we are getting into a whole big process.
10:33:58 I look forward to your research.
10:34:00 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I'll wait for some other people.
10:34:04 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I think that -- I agree with rose.
10:34:07 I think going retroactively on things that are already
10:34:11 approved probably will be troublesome and that's

10:34:13 probably what the research will conclude.
10:34:16 However, on future approvals, I think we probably
10:34:19 could tweak our code to perhaps sunset those
10:34:23 approvals, as they do in Tallahassee.
10:34:26 In other words, we'll give you that special use
10:34:28 perhaps for ten years.
10:34:30 But then in ten years you have to come back and prove
10:34:33 that technology is still the best technology, you
10:34:35 know, sort of a -- what do they call it, best
10:34:39 practices approach.
10:34:40 Because I agree wholeheartedly with Mrs. Saul-Sena.
10:34:43 Anytime there's an opportunity in the future to get
10:34:46 these poles reduced, smaller, hidden in buildings,
10:34:49 et cetera, that's in the community's best interest.
10:34:52 So maybe that's another Avenue that you could look at
10:34:55 when you do the research.
10:34:59 But I think it's appropriate research, probably more
10:35:01 prospectively than retroactively.
10:35:03 >>JULIA COLE: We can look at that.
10:35:06 As I said there have been some recent changes in state
10:35:09 law that may necessity us to bring back some
10:35:11 additional amendments to this ordinance so it might be

10:35:14 a good time to look at the tower ordinance.
10:35:16 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I think it's kind of complex.
10:35:19 Three months or so?
10:35:23 >> Three months.
10:35:28 >>> T-Mobile.
10:35:29 I have been sworn.
10:35:29 You have an abandonment provision in your ordinance as
10:35:32 it stands right now that any applicant, whether it be
10:35:35 T-Mobile or any other tower company that builds a
10:35:37 tower in the City of Tampa, in there has to sign an
10:35:40 affidavit for you all that says in the event that this
10:35:43 tower is deemed abandoned, and I might add it's
10:35:45 considered deemed abandoned by you all.
10:35:47 So you all determine when that becomes abandoned and
10:35:50 then we agree to it, if it's deemed abandoned we have
10:35:53 to remove it.
10:35:54 And I'm sorry I don't know the exact number.
10:35:56 But it's in that.
10:36:00 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: That takes us to be proactive and
10:36:02 we are not very good at being proactive.
10:36:04 So I guess the suggestion legal will look at, if it
10:36:07 sun sets, that means you have to come back and prove

10:36:09 the technology is still relevant that. Might be a
10:36:11 better way.
10:36:12 >>> I just wanted to let you know what was currently
10:36:15 in your code.
10:36:15 Your staff had considered that.
10:36:17 Unless you have any other questions I don't have any.
10:36:18 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I do have a question.
10:36:20 Isn't the technology changing?
10:36:23 >>> I can -- I'm an attorney, I'm not an engineer.
10:36:26 But I can tell you I worked with T-Mobile since 1999.
10:36:31 Since 1999 when I began doing these types of tower
10:36:32 hearings I have kept hearing that these tower heights
10:36:34 are coming down.
10:36:35 And I can tell you that I'm still applying -- I'm
10:36:39 still applying for 150 or 108-foot towers.
10:36:42 That's the only thing I can continue to tell you, that
10:36:44 the engineers are continuing to at least tell me and
10:36:47 continue to tell the site acquisition folks those are
10:36:52 the heights they need to be at to provide the
10:36:54 coverage.
10:36:54 >> Can you tell me what this 150-foot permission you
10:36:58 are asking for is going to look like?

10:37:00 >>> It's a traditional monopole.
10:37:02 And there is -- let me grab my file and I can -- I
10:37:05 believe I have a photograph on the Elmo.
10:37:08 I think I may have even provided one to staff.
10:37:10 >>KEVIN WHITE: The poles keep getting taller because
10:37:16 the buildings keep getting taller.
10:37:19 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: We don't have any very tall
10:37:21 buildings on Busch Boulevard that I'm familiar with.
10:37:26 This is going to be big.
10:37:27 And it's going to be tall.
10:37:28 I want to see what it's going to look like before I
10:37:31 vote on it.
10:37:31 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: How big is the it going to be?
10:37:44 >>> This particular area is approximately a quarter
10:37:46 mile from -- and I am not a rollercoaster rider --
10:37:50 about a quarter mile from the tall rollercoaster
10:37:53 that's advertised, I think it has a 300-foot drop.
10:37:57 >> Across the street from SONNY's barbecue.
10:38:04 >> Next to Remington college.
10:38:09 >>MARY ALVAREZ: Did you live in that area, too?
10:38:11 >>KEVIN WHITE: Yes, ma'am.
10:38:12 Three days a week.

10:38:13 (Laughter).
10:38:17 >>ROSE FERLITA: Do you know what an experience it's
10:38:22 been sitting next to him for almost three years?
10:38:31 >>HEATHER LAMBOY: This is the site if you look at the
10:38:33 Elmo.
10:38:35 The tower is going to be located at the rear of the
10:38:38 property.
10:38:38 The setbacks are 350 feet from Busch Boulevard.
10:38:42 247 -- or 64 feet from the northern property line
10:38:45 which is residentially zoned property.
10:38:48 10.8 from the western property line.
10:38:51 140.5 feet from the western property line.
10:38:54 So it's going to be substantially set back from the
10:38:56 streets.
10:38:57 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Can you point on the map where you
10:39:01 are telling me it's at?
10:39:04 >>> At the point sneer and Mr. White is familiar with
10:39:06 these other businesses but I'm not.
10:39:08 What's surrounding it?
10:39:10 >>KEVIN WHITE: Directly to the right is Remington
10:39:12 college.
10:39:13 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: That square building?

10:39:18 >>> To the right building.
10:39:20 Up the street to the right of Sonny's barbecue
10:39:25 diagonal.
10:39:27 >> A pretty commercial area?
10:39:28 >>> Yes.
10:39:28 >>MARY ALVAREZ:
10:39:35 >>HEATHER LAMBOY: I have an elevation drawing.
10:39:41 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Thank you.
10:39:44 >>GWEN MILLER: Okay.
10:39:52 We are going to move on.
10:39:53 We have a motion and second.
10:39:56 Voice vote.
10:40:03 Mr. Dingfelder?
10:40:04 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Yes.
10:40:06 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Yes.
10:40:09 >>MARY ALVAREZ: Yes.
10:40:10 >>GWEN MILLER: Yes.
10:40:11 >>SHAWN HARRISON: (No response.)
10:40:12 >>ROSE FERLITA: Yes.
10:40:14 >>KEVIN WHITE: Yes.
10:40:14 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried unanimously.
10:40:16 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I would like to direct legal to

10:40:18 research the possibility of having some sort of sunset
10:40:22 provision or re-look at these special uses for
10:40:30 monopoles and come back to us in three months.
10:40:32 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Second.
10:40:33 >>GWEN MILLER: Motion and second.
10:40:37 >>ROSE FERLITA: I'm supporting the opportunity for
10:40:39 legal to give us some research.
10:40:41 But at this point I'm philosophically going back to
10:40:44 something that has been approved.
10:40:47 So research, yes.
10:40:48 >>GWEN MILLER: Research.
10:40:49 Just to research it.
10:40:50 Is there anyone in the public that wants to speak on
10:40:52 item 65?
10:40:59 >> Move to close.
10:41:00 >> Second.
10:41:00 (Motion carried).
10:41:00 >>ROSE FERLITA: Move a special use permit on appeal
10:41:06 from a decision of zoning administrator
10:41:09 Am I readding the right one?
10:41:11 Single family detached dwelling located at 1423 east
10:41:14 Mohawk in a Dr. I commercial intensive zoning district

10:41:17 in the city of Tampa, Florida and more particularly
10:41:19 described in section 1 waiving the requirement of
10:41:21 section 27-272, regulations governing individual
10:41:26 special uses, providing an effective date.
10:41:28 >> Tiff motion and second.
10:41:29 Voice roll call.
10:41:30 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Yes.
10:41:32 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Yes.
10:41:33 >>MARY ALVAREZ: Yes.
10:41:35 >>GWEN MILLER: Yes.
10:41:36 >>ROSE FERLITA: Yes.
10:41:38 >>KEVIN WHITE: Yes.
10:41:38 >>GWEN MILLER: Is there anyone in the public that
10:41:41 would like to speak on item 66?
10:41:43 >> Move to close.
10:41:43 >> Second.
10:41:44 (Motion carried).
10:41:46 >>MARY ALVAREZ: Move to adopt the following ordinance
10:41:49 upon second reading, and ordinance making lawful the
10:41:52 sale of beverages containing alcohol of more than 1%
10:41:54 by weight and not more than 14% by weight and wines
10:41:57 regardless of alcoholic content, beer and wine,

10:41:59 2(COP-R), for consumption on the premises only in
10:42:02 connection with a restaurant business establishment at
10:42:05 or from that certain lot, plot or tract of land
10:42:09 located at 1617 West Platt street, Tampa, Florida as
10:42:13 more particularly described in section 2 hereof,
10:42:16 waiving certain restrictions as to distance based upon
10:42:19 certain findings, imposing certain conditions,
10:42:23 providing for repeal of all ordinances in conflict,
10:42:26 providing an effective date.
10:42:26 >>GWEN MILLER: I have a motion and second.
10:42:29 Voice roll call.
10:42:34 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried with Harrison being
10:42:36 absent.
10:42:37 >>GWEN MILLER: Is there anyone in the public that
10:42:39 would like to speak on item 67?
10:42:42 >> Move to close.
10:42:43 >> Second.
10:42:43 (Motion carried.)
10:42:43 >> MARY ALVAREZ: Move to adopt the following ordinance
10:42:53 on second reading, an ordinance rezoning property in
10:42:55 the general vicinity of 1105 east Twiggs in the city
10:42:58 of Tampa, Florida and more particularly described in

10:43:01 section 1 from zoning district classifications CD-1
10:43:04 mixed use retail-multifamily to CD-3 mixed use
10:43:08 multifamily, providing an effective date.
10:43:10 >> Second.
10:43:10 >>GWEN MILLER: Motion and second.
10:43:13 Mrs. Saul-Sena?
10:43:14 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: It's a beautiful proposal.
10:43:17 I just am concerned about the height.
10:43:21 >>GWEN MILLER: Voice vote.
10:43:22 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: 67?
10:43:24 Yes, yes.
10:43:25 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I'll speak to it also before I
10:43:30 vote.
10:43:33 I watched this on television after you all had did
10:43:36 this -- "had did this"?
10:43:38 Had done this.
10:43:39 And I appreciate the amount of time you all put into
10:43:44 it.
10:43:45 And I apologize I wasn't able to be there that night.
10:43:49 The height in that area is obviously controversial and
10:43:53 we are going to continue dealing with it.
10:43:55 One of the reasons, I am going to go ahead and support

10:43:58 this petition is the fact that apparently we have
10:44:02 already approved similar height on city property
10:44:08 adjacent or near this property.
10:44:13 And I'll stand corrected if I'm wrong.
10:44:15 So I think that's persuasive to me to go ahead and
10:44:21 consider this height and this part of the Channel
10:44:24 District.
10:44:28 Mrs. Saul-Sena?
10:44:30 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: let me speak to that.
10:44:32 What's being built is very low scale on the other
10:44:35 portion of city property.
10:44:36 There's one tower that was approved that I asked in
10:44:38 fact the city clerk to go back and look up.
10:44:41 There have been no plans specifically submitted for
10:44:43 it.
10:44:43 And the particularly high piece north of here.
10:44:47 And there's been no permits issued.
10:44:50 It's kind of like that space needle thing to approve
10:44:54 but there's no action on.
10:44:55 So it's being referred to in all of the zonings as a
10:44:59 commitment to a great height but the reality is it's
10:45:02 not being --

10:45:06 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: How tall was that approval?
10:45:09 >> Very tall, like 300 feet. This is 70 and 240.
10:45:14 But I have to say, Mr. Dingfelder, that next week when
10:45:21 we look at the plans and look at this model that's
10:45:23 being created by the students at the University of
10:45:24 South Florida school of architecture, it is -- it's
10:45:29 going to be very helpful to us in understanding what
10:45:31 we approve as a plan and understanding what's being
10:45:34 proposed.
10:45:36 >>GWEN MILLER: Voice roll call.
10:45:39 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Yes.
10:45:41 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: No.
10:45:42 >>MARY ALVAREZ: Yes.
10:45:44 >>GWEN MILLER: Yes.
10:45:47 >>ROSE FERLITA: Yes.
10:45:48 >>KEVIN WHITE: Yes.
10:45:49 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried with Saul-Sena voting no,
10:45:51 Harrison being absent.
10:45:52 >>GWEN MILLER: Is there anyone in the public that
10:45:53 would like to speak on item 68?
10:45:56 >> Move to close.
10:45:57 >> Second.

10:45:57 (Motion carried).
10:45:58 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I just wondered, did we ask for
10:46:03 public comment on 67?
10:46:06 I just want to make sure.
10:46:08 >>GWEN MILLER: I'm sure we did.
10:46:10 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I move to adopt the following
10:46:12 ordinance upon second reading, an ordinance rezoning
10:46:15 property in the general vicinity of 308, 310 west
10:46:18 Sligh Avenue and 219 west elm street in the city of
10:46:24 Tampa, Florida and more particularly described in
10:46:26 section 1 from zoning district classifications RS-50
10:46:29 residential single family to PD single family detached
10:46:32 residential providing an effective date.
10:46:34 >> Second.
10:46:34 >>GWEN MILLER: Voice roll call.
10:46:36 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Yes.
10:46:37 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Yes.
10:46:38 >>MARY ALVAREZ: Yes.
10:46:39 >>GWEN MILLER: Yes.
10:46:40 >>ROSE FERLITA: Yes.
10:46:42 >>KEVIN WHITE: Yes.
10:46:43 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried with Harrison being

10:46:45 absent.
10:46:45 >>GWEN MILLER: Is there anyone in the public that
10:46:47 would like to speak on item 69?
10:46:49 >> Move to close.
10:46:50 >> Second.
10:46:50 (Motion carried).
10:46:50 >>GWEN MILLER: Mr. Dingfelder.
10:46:54 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I move to adopt the following
10:46:59 ordinance on second reading an ordinance rezoning
10:47:01 property in the general vicinity of 1305 North Armenia
10:47:04 Avenue in the city of Tampa, Florida and more
10:47:05 particularly described in section 1 from zoning
10:47:07 district classifications RM-16 residential multifamily
10:47:11 to PD medical office, providing an effective date.
10:47:14 >> Second.
10:47:14 >>GWEN MILLER: Voice roll call.
10:47:18 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried with Harrison being
10:47:22 absent.
10:47:22 >>GWEN MILLER: Is there anyone in the public that
10:47:24 would like to speak on item 70?
10:47:26 >> Move to close.
10:47:27 >> Second.

10:47:27 (Motion carried).
10:47:28 >>GWEN MILLER: Mr. White?
10:47:31 >>KEVIN WHITE: Move to adopt the following ordinance
10:47:33 upon second reading, move an ordinance rezoning
10:47:36 property in the general vicinity of 609 and 611 North
10:47:38 Tampa Street and 602 and 610 North Franklin Street in
10:47:42 the city of Tampa, Florida and more particularly
10:47:45 described in section 1 from zoning classifications
10:47:48 CBD-1 retail to CBD-2 mixed use retail, residential,
10:47:54 providing an effective date.
10:47:57 >> Second.
10:47:57 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I have a question of staff, a
10:47:59 little reassurance.
10:48:00 In the summary of the request, there have been
10:48:02 commitments made by the petitioner in terms of public
10:48:05 art, in terms of incorporating medallions from the
10:48:08 historic structure, which is painfully coming down
10:48:13 right now.
10:48:14 Will the petitioner be required to respect those
10:48:18 commitments?
10:48:19 >>HEATHER LAMBOY: Land development.
10:48:20 Yes, they are reflected as notes on the site plan, the

10:48:26 medallions.
10:48:27 Petitioner agreed to late in the game.
10:48:31 If it is the pleasure of the petitioner I can reflect
10:48:33 that as a note on the site plan as well so that
10:48:36 construction services will see to that.
10:48:39 >>MARTIN SHELBY: If that's an issue, the public
10:48:41 hearing would have to be reopened.
10:48:44 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I would like to -- I move to reopen
10:48:47 the public hearing to get that commitment on the
10:48:49 record.
10:48:50 Would somebody second it, please?
10:48:53 This is really important.
10:48:53 >>GWEN MILLER: Mr. Dingfelder?
10:48:56 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I'm sorry, I wasn't paying
10:48:58 attention.
10:48:59 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I would like to move to reopen the
10:49:01 public hearing so that I can get the commitment of the
10:49:03 petitioner on the record to incorporate the medallions
10:49:06 from the original Maas brothers building which is
10:49:10 coming down right now.
10:49:11 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Sure.
10:49:12 Second.

10:49:12 >>GWEN MILLER: Motion and second.
10:49:14 (Motion carried).
10:49:21 >> Truett Gardner, 101 south Franklin Street.
10:49:24 Incorporating that note is absolutely fine.
10:49:25 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Thank you very much.
10:49:27 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: While Mr. Gardner is up, I would
10:49:36 like to apologize, at the last hearing, I
10:49:40 miscalculated as a former math teacher, that's pretty
10:49:43 embarrassing to do, improper math, but I said that the
10:49:47 gross sales of this project would be one and a half
10:49:50 billion dollars but I was off by a zero. The gross
10:49:52 sales would be approximately $150 million if they do
10:49:56 500 units at an average of $300,000.
10:50:00 So I apologize for that miscalculation.
10:50:03 But while you're up, there's $150 million of gross
10:50:09 sales, and I'm just wondering if you might want to
10:50:11 kick in $100 toward re doing those streets, or perhaps
10:50:17 $1,000 or $100,000 or any number in between to redoing
10:50:22 those streets in light of the fact that it's $150
10:50:24 million of gross sales.
10:50:26 And I know that you and your clients at wood partners
10:50:31 would want to make sure that those streets are

10:50:33 pedestrian friendly and work with the city to two-way
10:50:36 those streets.
10:50:39 >>> Truett Gardner, I have been sworn.
10:50:41 And I would let my client speak to that as well.
10:50:45 John, I completely respect you are trying to get the
10:50:47 best bargain for the city in these types of things.
10:50:49 In will go at this --
10:50:51 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: The best bargain for the community,
10:50:53 not for the City of Tampa.
10:50:57 Not for the City of Tampa as an entity.
10:50:58 For the community as large.
10:51:00 And for the mayor who wants to get these streets
10:51:02 redone as quickly as possible.
10:51:05 >>> I think this speaks -- you have got to go broader
10:51:07 than that.
10:51:07 And in doing this I think we all have a shared vision
10:51:10 that we want to see downtown revitalized.
10:51:13 And we also have to realize that we are in direct
10:51:16 competition with other cities, other municipalities
10:51:19 out there that are trying to do the exact same thing.
10:51:21 >> Which project was it that he would already did this
10:51:23 on?

10:51:24 Was that the Kress?
10:51:25 >>> Kress is the only one of all the downtown
10:51:27 projects, you had a requirement on that, and we went
10:51:30 back and viewed the tapes.
10:51:31 You also had some major problems with architectures,
10:51:35 so perhaps that was in agreement to offset that.
10:51:38 I have no idea.
10:51:41 But a lot of thought has gone into this.
10:51:43 And back to my point if you let me finish, when you
10:51:46 compare the cost of doing this development in the City
10:51:49 of Tampa, and I think the city has made it clear that
10:51:51 we would like to encourage this type of development,
10:51:56 including the new stormwater impact fee, we are at
10:51:59 over $2 million for this development.
10:52:00 Midtown Atlanta, which I don't know if you all have
10:52:03 been there, but is absolutely running circles around
10:52:06 downtown, this development is $800,000 in city fees.
10:52:09 So I think wove to be careful of the message we are
10:52:11 sending.
10:52:12 We are already $1.2 million over that.
10:52:14 And I guess you're asking us to apply more to that.
10:52:18 And I think we just run the risk of running these

10:52:20 types of developers out of Tampa, and think they are
10:52:25 not welcome here.
10:52:26 Again I respect what you are saying but I just want to
10:52:29 give you a counter to that argument.
10:52:31 >> Well, I guess I gave you the whole range of a
10:52:34 dollar up to a couple hundred thousand dollars.
10:52:38 >>> Again I will let my client speak to that.
10:52:41 >>GWEN MILLER: Ms. Cole.
10:52:43 >>JULIA COLE: As it relates to the request to include
10:52:45 a condition as it relates to architect architectural
10:52:51 features and medallion we would have to send this back
10:52:55 to first reading.
10:52:56 I will let Ms. Lamboy explain it which may cover it
10:52:59 without having to at that time back to first reading.
10:53:04 As it relates to -- you would need -- as I stated at
10:53:08 first reading as it relates to this issue of the
10:53:10 two-waying and the monetary distribution that's
10:53:15 something they would have to agree to have this
10:53:16 application heard on the request.
10:53:18 So I would ask Mr. Gardner or his client to respond to
10:53:24 that.
10:53:24 >>HEATHER LAMBOY: The note that I think would cover

10:53:26 the medallion issue is the -- it states the following,
10:53:29 to ensure compliance the site plan would be subject to
10:53:33 30, 60, 90.
10:53:37 And I can assure that you Wilson Stair will make sure
10:53:40 those medallions are included.
10:53:42 >>GWEN MILLER: We have a motion and second.
10:53:50 >>GWEN MILLER: Public hearing is still open.
10:53:51 >>MARY ALVAREZ: Move to close the public hearing.
10:53:57 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Wait a second.
10:53:58 >>MARY ALVAREZ: I think we had a big discussion on.
10:54:01 This and we could have asked them all these things at
10:54:04 the time.
10:54:04 This is not the time.
10:54:05 We are going to second reading.
10:54:06 These people need to get going on this building.
10:54:08 It's already saying that all these things are going to
10:54:10 be incorporated.
10:54:13 You know, I just don't feel comfortable asking these
10:54:18 developers to come back and give more money when he
10:54:22 just said it's going cost $2 million to put this thing
10:54:27 into --
10:54:28 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: As a fine is fine, Mary but I made

10:54:31 the request to Mr. Gardner.
10:54:32 >>MARY ALVAREZ: You could have made it before.
10:54:35 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I did make it before.
10:54:37 I made it on first reading.
10:54:38 Now I'm making it add second reading.
10:54:41 He said he would glad to have his client speak to the.
10:54:45 It's not out of order.
10:54:45 >>GWEN MILLER: We are going to move on.
10:54:48 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I have something to say.
10:54:50 Thank you.
10:54:50 I'd love to hear from Mr. Wood if he could come up.
10:54:53 And I want to ask him a question.
10:54:57 >>> Gardner: It's not Mr. Wood, it's an employee
10:55:00 plaintiff wood.
10:55:01 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I wishes it were Mr. Wood.
10:55:04 >> I'm Dave Thompson.
10:55:05 I have been sworn.
10:55:08 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I just had the privilege of being
10:55:10 in Atlanta, in midtown and looking at the
10:55:12 redevelopment there, and there's obviously been a lot
10:55:14 of reinvestment on the city streets, on the city
10:55:18 sidewalks, and my question is, you all understand, you

10:55:21 have done projects here.
10:55:22 What kind of commitment have you made to the streets
10:55:26 and sidewalks in midtown Atlanta, what kind of
10:55:29 commitment are you making to us?
10:55:30 >>> I can't speak to that commitment we've made in
10:55:33 midtown Atlanta.
10:55:35 I don't know what our partners there have committed to
10:55:39 on this project.
10:55:41 I can speak to what we have done here, which is
10:55:45 including working with Tampa Bay history center, the
10:55:48 architectural integrity of the building, included
10:55:52 working with Heather Lamboy and Wilson on the design
10:55:58 elements for the Mass brothers buildings,.
10:56:10 >> Sidewalks and streets.
10:56:13 >>> Gardner.
10:56:13 The architect is here and they can go through the
10:56:16 plan for this development.
10:56:17 I think that's your concern.
10:56:18 I know we didn't show very much in terms of renderings
10:56:21 or anything before.
10:56:22 And we would be happy to give you a brief
10:56:24 presentation.

10:56:25 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Just a point of order.
10:56:27 I had a question.
10:56:28 Mr. Gardner, you were kind enough to invite your
10:56:31 client up to answer my question.
10:56:32 So I appreciate answering my question before we get on
10:56:34 to other questions.
10:56:35 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Okay.
10:56:38 >>GWEN MILLER: Do you remember what your question is?
10:56:41 >>> What's your question?
10:56:42 I'm sorry.
10:56:45 >>ROSE FERLITA: The question is why didn't you wear a
10:56:49 bow tie today?
10:56:51 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: You didn't hear my question to Mr.
10:56:53 Gardner?
10:56:54 >>> I think I did.
10:56:55 To contribute an amount to the two laning of one of
10:56:57 the city streets?
10:57:00 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Zack Street.
10:57:01 >>> From one dollar to --
10:57:03 >>: To whatever you wish.
10:57:05 >>> To whatever?
10:57:06 Our goal again has been the design of affordable

10:57:08 quality project for downtown Tampa and we think we
10:57:11 have done that.
10:57:12 Worked with city staff and everyone that has been so
10:57:14 kind to help us.
10:57:16 And we decided to come Tampa because we wanted to help
10:57:20 revive the city and we think this is a project that
10:57:22 allows to us do it.
10:57:24 I realize that --
10:57:25 >>: Is that a long way around saying no?
10:57:28 >>> It is.
10:57:28 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Thank you.
10:57:31 >>ROSE FERLITA: I don't know what the sense of the
10:57:34 council is.
10:57:35 We need to hear from the architect.
10:57:37 I just want to make a closing content.
10:57:39 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I would like to see what they are
10:57:41 doing on Zack Street.
10:57:43 It's very significant.
10:57:48 >>MARY ALVAREZ: Don't they have sidewalks on Zack
10:57:50 Street already?
10:57:51 >> Zack Street is a disaster.
10:57:53 >>ROSE FERLITA: Mary, I understand your frustration.

10:57:57 Tiff same frustration.
10:57:58 If he can answer this quickly, I have a feeling we can
10:58:00 move on.
10:58:01 So please responsibility --
10:58:04 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I think the fellow council members
10:58:06 are really interested in what's being proposed in
10:58:08 downtown Tampa.
10:58:08 >>MARY ALVAREZ: There you are.
10:58:11 >> Richard Kilpatrick, 1000 Abernathy Road, Atlanta,
10:58:19 Georgia. I have been sworn.
10:58:20 What I put on the Elmo is an overall site plan showing
10:58:25 improvements around all four sides of the city block
10:58:30 on Zack Street.
10:58:31 We have got the increased sidewalk to 15 feet.
10:58:34 We have got the street trees and the other
10:58:38 improvements along the sidewalks and public space.
10:58:43 In addition, I can show a streetscape rendering that
10:58:47 indicates the type of field that we intend to have on
10:58:51 the ground floor, with the project that you see here.
10:58:56 The awnings to indicate retail and streetlight, the
10:58:59 amount of facades, the street trees and tree grates
10:59:07 around the street trees and a lot of the development

10:59:10 has been developed with input through meetings we have
10:59:12 had with city staff as we have developed the project.
10:59:18 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: The city right now through Wilson
10:59:20 Stair our urban design manager is working on
10:59:22 identifying street furniture that will be dramatic
10:59:28 along Zack street, we are going to be making those
10:59:31 decisions in the next few weeks.
10:59:32 You all are obviously just getting your permission
10:59:35 now.
10:59:37 Will you be willing to incorporate the specific street
10:59:39 furniture for Zack Street in your development?
10:59:43 >>> Certainly.
10:59:44 >>> Gardner: I can answer that.
10:59:46 Everything is kind of a work in progress as we have
10:59:47 been going.
10:59:48 And Wilson has been fantastic to work with and we have
10:59:50 developed a lot of streetscape plans and things kind
10:59:53 of on the run, and I guess what you are saying is
10:59:57 let's continue that process to make sure we have the
11:00:02 most uniform thing.
11:00:02 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Thank you very much.
11:00:04 >>GWEN MILLER: We need to close the public hearing?

11:00:08 >> So moved.
11:00:09 >> Second.
11:00:10 >>GWEN MILLER: Motion and second to close the public
11:00:11 hearing.
11:00:11 (Motion carried).
11:00:12 >>GWEN MILLER: Did we read it?
11:00:19 >>ROSE FERLITA: I want to make a comment before we
11:00:21 vote.
11:00:22 And I know that everybody on this council wants the
11:00:23 best product for the city we represent for the
11:00:25 citizens we represent.
11:00:28 But I think there's a point at which we have to start
11:00:30 being a little more common sensical.
11:00:33 With all due respect to my colleague Mrs. Saul-Sena --
11:00:36 and I don't mean this as not concerned or not
11:00:38 involved -- but I really don't care what it took for
11:00:41 this developer to negotiate a deal with Atlanta or
11:00:44 Cincinnati or New Orleans or anyplace else.
11:00:46 All I know is you're bringing a product to the table
11:00:48 that is good, that's going to salvage some of old
11:00:52 Franklin Street, that's going to be a beautiful
11:00:54 addition to what we have down there.

11:00:55 So I think we have to sometimes be reasonable about
11:00:58 what we want from the developer.
11:01:00 We want the developer to come forward with a product
11:01:02 that's good.
11:01:02 But at some point, as I have referenced before -- and
11:01:06 this is sarcastic, yes, tongue in cheek -- when we
11:01:09 start bordering on asking you guys to paint our house
11:01:13 and pay our mortgage.
11:01:14 I know you are going to protect the product you are
11:01:16 bringing to the table by doing whatever you can to the
11:01:18 exterior.
11:01:18 But, you know, I'm anxious just like Mrs. Alvarez
11:01:23 frustration showed through, anxious to support this.
11:01:25 >>GWEN MILLER: We have a motion and second.
11:01:27 Voice roll call.
11:01:31 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I served three years on the
11:01:33 variance board and I served three years now on Tampa
11:01:35 City Council.
11:01:36 And over the six years I have developed a pretty acute
11:01:41 grieve meter and without any direct reference to these
11:01:43 two gentlemen who came in front of us or three
11:01:46 gentlemen who came in front of us who I respect all

11:01:48 three of them, and I know Mr. Gardner very well and I
11:01:52 don't know the other two but they seem like good guys,
11:01:55 this is the a $150 million project.
11:01:56 And if they put in $100,000 towards those street
11:02:00 improvements it would not make or break this project.
11:02:02 Okay?
11:02:03 It would not make or break this project.
11:02:05 We keep being told, oh, if council does something, you
11:02:08 know, like that, like the A.R.C. issue or like this
11:02:11 issue, it will break this project, and they'll go
11:02:15 away.
11:02:15 No.
11:02:17 That's not true.
11:02:17 It's baloney.
11:02:19 It's baloney.
11:02:20 And we have to recognize that.
11:02:24 And I'm not going to support it.
11:02:27 I support downtown redevelopment.
11:02:29 I'm wholeheartedly in support of downtown
11:02:32 redevelopment.
11:02:32 But at the same time, folks need to step up and
11:02:35 address important issues like pedestrian-friendly

11:02:37 streets.
11:02:38 So if they are not willing to do that, then I'm sorry.
11:02:41 >>GWEN MILLER: Do you want to vote?
11:02:47 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: That's a no.
11:02:48 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I want to speak to this project.
11:02:51 I'm very enthused about this project.
11:02:52 But I think, my fellow colleagues, that it is
11:02:55 important to discuss the quality of what's being
11:02:59 proposed.
11:03:00 If we want our downtown to be beautiful, if we want
11:03:03 our city to be beautiful, it's worth a conversation to
11:03:07 insist upon recognition of the qualities that we want
11:03:10 in the design.
11:03:11 And it is not a waste of our time.
11:03:13 It is a respectful investment to the public of our
11:03:17 time to scrutinize what's being proposed.
11:03:20 I feel that the weakness in terms of getting the money
11:03:22 for Zack Street is not with the developer. The
11:03:26 weakness is with the city in not saying, if we have
11:03:29 corridors that are identified as special, we need to
11:03:31 have some sort of recognition of that, and additional
11:03:36 investment along those corridors and that's something

11:03:37 I intend to get with the economic development
11:03:40 department to do so that it's not negotiated as part
11:03:43 of the zoning meeting, that it's part of the
11:03:48 development conversation of the DRC and that's
11:03:50 something we need to recognize by changing our rules.
11:03:53 We need to do that as soon as possible.
11:03:56 I vote to support this project.
11:04:01 Yes.
11:04:01 >>MARY ALVAREZ: Yes.
11:04:04 >>KEVIN WHITE: Yes with a comment.
11:04:10 Based on what Mr. Dingfelder said, none of the things
11:04:12 that I look at, I don't look at anybody's grieve meter
11:04:16 because being in business I realize that profit is not
11:04:18 a dirty word.
11:04:19 Although we are in charge of supporting the best
11:04:23 project for the city, our city staff has looked at
11:04:27 this.
11:04:27 It's been approved.
11:04:28 You have met all the burdens and obligations of being
11:04:31 approved.
11:04:31 I don't think the meter is within our purview of base
11:04:39 ago vote up or down on this council.

11:04:41 I do respect Mr. Dingfelder's point of wanting the
11:04:43 most for the city.
11:04:45 I believe that question was posed the first time.
11:04:48 And to keep asking it in a matter that is contrary to,
11:04:55 well, if you don't do what I'm asking from a dollar to
11:04:58 a million dollars I'm not going to support your
11:05:00 project, and I don't think that's a fair way to put it
11:05:02 because as I've stated before, I think that sound like
11:05:06 borderline extortion.
11:05:07 And I don't appreciate, nor do I condone that.
11:05:11 And maybe that's not what he was meaning to sound
11:05:14 like.
11:05:14 But that's the way I would take it as a developer.
11:05:19 I am in favor of any development that's going to
11:05:22 improve our downtown.
11:05:23 And I think with the surrounding areas and the outline
11:05:28 of the scope of the project that was just laid out on
11:05:30 the Elmo, if the developer is willing to go forward
11:05:33 and do more in the surrounding area to make Zack
11:05:37 Street, any other street surrounding that area more
11:05:40 viable, more livable, more attractive, I think you'd
11:05:44 do that if you could, or if you thought the city was

11:05:46 going to be moving too slow and you could afford that
11:05:48 in the project, I think would you do it.
11:05:50 But I don't think it this City Council's purview to
11:05:55 demand.
11:05:55 We can ask and if we ask at the appropriate time,
11:05:57 which was asked and answered during that first public
11:06:00 hearing, then I think Mr. Wood was here at the first
11:06:03 public hearing and said no.
11:06:05 And I don't think it was fair to ask a representative
11:06:08 after the actual owner of the project says no to have
11:06:11 a representative come up and -- I'm glad you echoed
11:06:15 his sentiment because I don't think you had the
11:06:17 authority to even authorize someone else's money.
11:06:21 That's my editorial and I will support the motion.
11:06:23 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried with Dingfelder voting no,
11:06:26 Harrison being absent.
11:06:27 >>GWEN MILLER: Mr. Dingfelder.
11:06:28 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Extortion is a strong word.
11:06:30 >>KEVIN WHITE: Absolutely.
11:06:33 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: And I resent that.
11:06:36 But it's interesting because if you look at this
11:06:39 historically going back to the Kress approval, okay,

11:06:42 it was staff who first brought up the same exact issue
11:06:45 to the Kress developers.
11:06:47 It was staff.
11:06:48 It was the administration that we operate with who
11:06:51 brought up that idea with the Kress development.
11:06:54 Okay.
11:06:54 Then on a very inconsistent basis, they didn't bring
11:06:57 it up with this developer, which I think gets to Mrs.
11:07:01 Saul-Sena's point is we need to be a little more
11:07:03 consistent.
11:07:03 >>KEVIN WHITE: That's the administration.
11:07:07 >> No, it's the administration followed by us hand in
11:07:09 hand.
11:07:10 The point is it's not extortion.
11:07:11 I resent that wholeheartedly.
11:07:13 What it is is it's being a good community -- part of
11:07:16 this community.
11:07:17 They are new to this community.
11:07:19 They could have stepped up to the plate between first
11:07:21 reading and second reading.
11:07:22 They decided not to.
11:07:23 That's their prerogative.

11:07:24 It's fine.
11:07:25 It's my progress prerogative not to support this
11:07:27 project.
11:07:27 >>GWEN MILLER: We are going to move on.
11:07:31 >> Let me summarize this.
11:07:31 The negotiations are dwindling but I think the project
11:07:37 passed, did it not?
11:07:39 Okay.
11:07:39 >>GWEN MILLER: That's enough of that one.
11:07:41 We are going to move on to 71.
11:07:46 Does anyone want to speak on 71?
11:07:49 Please raise your right hand.
11:07:50 >>MARY ALVAREZ: Move to close.
11:07:52 >>THE CLERK: Do you solemnly swear or affirm to tell
11:07:57 the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth?
11:07:59 Thank you.
11:08:00 >>MARY ALVAREZ: Move to open 71.
11:08:03 >>GWEN MILLER: You want to speak?
11:08:07 Marty?
11:08:08 >>MARTY BOYLE: Land development.
11:08:09 I didn't know if you wanted me to refresh your memory.
11:08:13 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Yes, please.

11:08:14 >>MARTY BOYLE: This petition is a rezoning going from
11:08:19 RM-16 designation to a planned development multifamily
11:08:23 residential.
11:08:52 The location is on Azeele and Melville.
11:08:56 Originally this came before you, and the site plan
11:08:59 indicated if you will open your site plan, I don't
11:09:01 know if you have gotten them around yet.
11:09:05 Originally, the petitioner proposed you have the
11:09:10 driveways going to Melville.
11:09:13 I'm sorry, they are proposing to work with council.
11:09:31 And they came back before you --
11:09:35 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: This is second reading.
11:09:37 >>GWEN MILLER: Second reading.
11:09:42 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I think it has to be first reading.
11:09:43 >>CATHLEEN O'DOWD: Legal department.
11:09:45 It's my understanding the site plan has changed
11:09:47 significantly since this was placed on first reading.
11:09:50 So it all thought was continue dad to second reading
11:09:54 we would go back to first reading.
11:09:57 >> Can we continue this first reading today?
11:10:00 >>> Yes.
11:10:00 >>MARTY BOYLE: Proposing to rezone the property on

11:10:08 Melville from the residential to a PD and they are
11:10:12 doing four town homes.
11:10:15 Two of the units will be off of Melville.
11:10:18 One will be off of the alleyway and the other will be
11:10:21 off of -- I'm sorry, one off of Melville, two will be
11:10:25 off of Azeele and one will be off the alleyway
11:10:28 according to the site plan.
11:10:30 Staff does have no objections.
11:10:35 This is the existing structure that is being removed.
11:10:42 This is pictures of trees along the side there.
11:10:48 >> Will those trees be lost?
11:10:50 >>> I believe these are Australian pines and I believe
11:10:53 these are allowed to go out.
11:10:56 Parks and rec along with tree and landscaping have no
11:10:59 objections to the site plan.
11:11:03 The Planning Commission has no objections.
11:11:10 >>GWEN MILLER: Petitioner.
11:11:11 >>STEVE MICHELINI: Basically, we have redesigned this
11:11:14 project from really start to finish.
11:11:17 We will add second reading right after the Christmas
11:11:22 holiday.
11:11:23 And then we went back and had at least four meetings

11:11:27 with the neighborhood association, and these were
11:11:29 working meetings.
11:11:32 And we may have had five.
11:11:35 Can't remember exactly how many meetings.
11:11:36 We had a lot of meetings on this.
11:11:38 And the consensus, and I believe it was unanimous,
11:11:42 there was no dissension on this matter at all, and we
11:11:46 agreed to comply with all of the consensus of the
11:11:49 issues that came out of the meeting.
11:11:53 And the first thing was to remove the driveway off of
11:11:59 Melville and we shifted it over to Azeele and move one
11:12:02 driveway off of the alley which we moved over to
11:12:05 Azeele, and to separate them, spreading them, and to
11:12:13 add a couple of different things that you see on your
11:12:16 elevation, which we thought were very attractive
11:12:21 additions, balconies on the second level, and Verandas
11:12:27 and porches on the first level.
11:12:35 This is the Melville side which has the garages and
11:12:40 then these Veranda porches that occur on both the
11:12:43 first and second level.
11:12:48 It been a long process on this particular project.
11:12:52 I think that we are there.

11:12:54 I don't want to speak for Walt but we have had a very
11:12:58 good working relationship on this project.
11:13:01 And we essentially started with a clean slate and
11:13:05 said, you know, here's -- we can make these changes.
11:13:09 Here's how we can make them.
11:13:10 And they asked for some changes, and anything that
11:13:14 they asked for have been incorporated into that.
11:13:17 We also agreed to ask for very specific things that
11:13:21 the city begin working on, and we will continue to
11:13:23 work with the neighborhood association on trying to
11:13:25 achieve, which go beyond the scope of this particular
11:13:29 project.
11:13:29 And at the conclusion, I'll go through those things.
11:13:32 But very briefly, just to touch on them -- and again I
11:13:38 want to go into them in more detail, to assist them
11:13:42 with the recreation department on perhaps obtaining
11:13:45 some funding for the playground at Swann and Fremont,
11:13:51 to obtain a crosswalk of some kind that will enable
11:13:55 the residents to get over to the recreational area
11:13:58 that's south of Swann, to assist them with identifying
11:14:03 the city departments to obtain more curbing, curb in
11:14:10 the area, and sidewalks.

11:14:14 The development community is already building
11:14:16 sidewalks.
11:14:17 And to work with them in identifying the intersections
11:14:20 where no parking signs would be placed, I guess
11:14:27 vehicles going around the corner and giving up space
11:14:32 at the corners. Anyway, we are back before you for
11:14:34 first reading.
11:14:35 We have made the adjustments to the site plan.
11:14:37 We have no objections.
11:14:38 And I think you will hear from Walter with indication
11:14:42 of their support for the project.
11:14:45 (Bell sounds).
11:14:46 >>MARY ALVAREZ: Mr. Michelini, I don't see any guest
11:14:50 parking in here.
11:15:18 (too much noise from behind me).
11:15:22 >>STEVE MICHELINI: There's not enough space between
11:15:29 the sidewalk
11:15:31 And the building to put stackable parking there.
11:15:39 So we placed it on the other sides.
11:15:40 And then we originally had shown a cut-out, and that
11:15:45 we were going to do on the street, right-of-way

11:15:47 parking, which is not one of the favorite things that
11:15:49 transportation likes to see.
11:15:52 So they asked that we remove that.
11:16:09 This is the corner of Azeele and Melville.
11:16:18 There are townhouse as round here.
11:16:22 This is very close to the apartment buildings.
11:16:29 I'm looking for my series of photographs here.
11:16:31 >> Is that on-street parking allowed in that area?
11:16:36 >> Yes.
11:16:41 I don't have any aerial photographs.
11:16:43 It's a ten-unit apartment building.
11:16:48 It's been cited by code enforcement.
11:16:51 It's in very poor conditions.
11:16:52 And the trees that Mrs. Saul-Sena asked about are
11:16:54 Australian pines.
11:16:57 We also provided on the site plan that we were
11:17:02 planning -- planting 4-inch minimum a.m. trees instead
11:17:05 of the typical 2-inch trees as a standard for the
11:17:08 project.
11:17:18 >>GWEN MILLER: Is there anyone in the public that
11:17:19 would like to speak on item 71?
11:17:22 >> Good morning, council.

11:17:23 My name is Walter crumbly.
11:17:24 I have been sworn.
11:17:26 I am the president of the Oscawana neighborhood
11:17:31 association residents.
11:17:33 I will certainly commend Mr. Michelini and his
11:17:36 clients, because we've met, I think, five times that I
11:17:41 can remember.
11:17:43 I was sitting there thinking about it.
11:17:46 He has, and his clients, have redesigned this project
11:17:49 to every single thing that we asked for.
11:17:54 We tried to get something that fit in the
11:17:56 neighborhood, that looks nice, and last week when we
11:18:03 had our last meeting we decided, yes, we are 100%
11:18:06 behind it.
11:18:06 And we want the council to approve it.
11:18:09 Because we think this will add a great deal to our
11:18:11 neighborhood.
11:18:11 >>GWEN MILLER: Thank you, Mr. Crumbly.
11:18:16 >>ROSE FERLITA: Just a quick comment.
11:18:18 I certainly appreciate you being here to support it.
11:18:20 I know you stand tall when you disagree with something
11:18:23 that's going to impose on your neighborhood.

11:18:25 Thank you for being here when you are on the flip side
11:18:27 of an issue.
11:18:29 >>> We really commend Mr. Michelini and his clients,
11:18:32 because they have worked with us, and drawn and
11:18:35 redrawn plans.
11:18:36 We have met.
11:18:38 No, we don't like this.
11:18:39 Yes, we want that.
11:18:40 This is the way we want to the look.
11:18:43 And just met us 100% all the way.
11:18:47 >>MARY ALVAREZ: thank you so much.
11:18:50 >>GWEN MILLER: Would anyone else like to speak?
11:18:54 >>MARY ALVAREZ: Move to close.
11:18:55 >> Second.
11:18:55 (Motion carried).
11:18:56 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Question on the motion.
11:19:02 >>GWEN MILLER: Question, Mr. Dingfelder.
11:19:05 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: For one thing, Walter, we
11:19:07 appreciate you coming down, and coming down when you
11:19:11 were against the project and coming down when you were
11:19:14 in support of it.
11:19:15 Both are very, very important.

11:19:16 I just wanted to make a point that -- and I'm going to
11:19:19 pat council on the back here.
11:19:20 One of the reasons that the developer wants to meet
11:19:24 with the neighborhood is five times is because this
11:19:29 council is now demanding quality projects and
11:19:32 cooperation with neighborhoods.
11:19:34 And that's why it's happening.
11:19:35 And that's a good thing.
11:19:38 And the other thing I am going to say is I will
11:19:39 support the project not only because the neighborhood
11:19:41 is supportive, but also because in this case it's
11:19:44 replacing a multifamily with a multifamily.
11:19:47 And that's significant to me.
11:19:48 >>ROSE FERLITA: I don't think he would need to
11:19:51 continue to enter into discussion was each other, but
11:19:54 I think Mr. Dingfelder is correct in terms of our
11:19:56 standards, but I think, Steve, he looked over you to
11:20:00 compliment him and I want to bring the attention back
11:20:02 to you.
11:20:02 Yes, we make demands but the fact that the developer
11:20:06 and his representative which would be you would do
11:20:08 this as opposed to walking away also should be

11:20:10 complimentary to you.
11:20:11 I think it's a circle effort, them, us and up guys.
11:20:14 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I agree with that.
11:20:17 >>STEVE MICHELINI: We have taken this association and
11:20:18 our relationship with them to a whole new level.
11:20:21 And we have offered the offices for them to hold their
11:20:26 meetings at.
11:20:27 And it's worked out really well.
11:20:29 And I think when they began to understand the kind of
11:20:32 issues that we are dealing with, and we listen to the
11:20:35 issues they were dealing with, and that's why we have
11:20:38 a list here of things that we have asked them to
11:20:40 prepare that we can begin helping them with.
11:20:44 >>MARY ALVAREZ: And I want to add to that, too, it's
11:20:48 because of the developer working with the neighborhood
11:20:54 that makes these projects so much better and makes it
11:20:58 easier for us, the City Council, to have that comfort
11:21:02 feeling because these are the people that have to live
11:21:04 in that area, not us.
11:21:05 We don't live in that area.
11:21:08 It's in some of our districts but it's not us.
11:21:10 So when a developer takes the time just like you have,

11:21:12 Mr. Michelini, it makes it worthwhile.
11:21:15 And it gives us that comfort level.
11:21:16 So I'm happy to read this ordinance.
11:21:19 An ordinance rezoning property in the general vicinity
11:21:22 of 402 south Melville Avenue in the city of Tampa,
11:21:25 Florida and more particularly described in section 1
11:21:28 from zoning district classifications RM-16 residential
11:21:32 multifamily to PD single-family attached, providing an
11:21:35 effective date.
11:21:37 >> Second.
11:21:37 >>GWEN MILLER: Motion and second.
11:21:38 (Motion carried).
11:21:41 >>STEVE MICHELINI: I have two requests that are
11:21:43 ancillary to this and then ask that you ask the
11:21:45 administration to provide council with some
11:21:47 information on it.
11:21:48 One is the feasibility of the cross-walk connecting
11:21:51 the neighborhood at Fremont to the recreation center
11:21:55 on the south side of Swann.
11:21:56 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Didn't we include that in our Post
11:22:02 improvement?
11:22:03 >>> I think we talked about it but I'm not sure it was

11:22:06 included.
11:22:07 But it's an important issue because that recreation
11:22:09 facility and the basketball courts, et cetera, are
11:22:12 used very heavily.
11:22:14 And Walter is right.
11:22:16 There is no safe way to get across there.
11:22:18 So I would ask that you make that motion.
11:22:22 >> Second.
11:22:22 >>GWEN MILLER: We have a motion and second.
11:22:26 All in favor say Aye.
11:22:27 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: The feasibility of creating a
11:22:29 cross-walk on Fremont between the northern and
11:22:33 southern sides of Swann to connect the neighborhood to
11:22:35 the recreation facility.
11:22:37 >>STEVE MICHELINI: That will also enable the neighbors
11:22:40 to get to Kash N' Karry which is on the south sidewalk
11:22:43 walk -- without walking down to the corner of Howard
11:22:45 and Swann.
11:22:51 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Maybe a flashing light when a
11:22:53 pedestrian is waiting.
11:22:54 >>STEVE MICHELINI: It is a very heavily trafficked
11:22:57 area.

11:22:57 I'm not sure what they can do but I'm sure the
11:22:59 creative folks, they can come up with something and
11:23:02 assist with some alternate designs if necessary.
11:23:04 >>GWEN MILLER: That's a motion and second.
11:23:09 (Motion carried).
11:23:11 >>STEVE MICHELINI: And we have to identify the
11:23:14 intersections where there are no parking signs, where
11:23:17 they should have to be placed in that area.
11:23:18 As you know, there are clubs that seem to be very
11:23:22 attractive these days that are on Howard.
11:23:25 And because of that, the parking is occurring in the
11:23:28 neighborhoods, that is forcing a lot of the issues
11:23:31 that came before you previously, that some thought
11:23:35 were as a result of the townhouse projects, and now
11:23:38 it's very clear when we do the analysis, and they
11:23:41 stand out and watch them park two and three blocks
11:23:43 away and then walk up to the clubs on South Howard,
11:23:47 that it's the nightclub activity that's exacerbating
11:23:52 this problem.
11:23:53 And the fact that they are existing, apartment
11:23:57 buildings and such, that have no parking.
11:24:00 So one of the remedies that we talked about was going

11:24:03 ahead.
11:24:04 It's already city code to require no parking within 30
11:24:07 feet of the intersections.
11:24:09 And we would ask that transportation or traffic look
11:24:12 at those intersections, determine where the signs have
11:24:15 been taken down, or where they are missing, and to
11:24:19 place them in those appropriate intersections.
11:24:22 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I'll definitely support that
11:24:24 suggestion, Mr. Michelini.
11:24:25 And working with the neighborhood.
11:24:29 In addition to that, and I'll make a motion to that
11:24:31 effect.
11:24:32 In addition to that, I'll tell council that last week
11:24:34 I had a meeting with transportation staff and TPD that
11:24:39 discussed this issue, and one of the other
11:24:43 alternatives that I will be discussing that I want the
11:24:45 neighborhood to also think about is what we are doing
11:24:47 in Ybor City right now, which is resident-only parking
11:24:51 areas on the curb.
11:24:54 They have a permit system on some of the residential
11:24:57 streets to specifically address this issue, and they
11:25:02 are doing it -- they are not doing it pursuant to

11:25:04 ordinance, they are just doing it pursuant to
11:25:06 administrative direction at this point.
11:25:08 It's my understanding legal is drafting something to
11:25:11 bring that to us to make that an ordinance.
11:25:13 But it's something that's working apparently in Ybor
11:25:15 City.
11:25:16 We have a resident-only permit area along these curb
11:25:20 areas.
11:25:21 And I think we need it in Soho.
11:25:23 I think he would need it in Soho along Howard.
11:25:25 I think we need in the Soho as related to that club
11:25:28 over on Kennedy.
11:25:32 Bahasa.
11:25:35 Thank you, Mr. White.
11:25:36 Because that neighborhood by the Bahasa has been
11:25:40 suffering.
11:25:40 There's a lot of places along Soho.
11:25:42 Frankly it would probably apply to other neighborhoods
11:25:44 as well as around the city at some point in time.
11:25:47 So I'll make a motion, as related to the sign issue
11:25:51 that Mr. Michelini brought up and also ask staff for a
11:25:54 report on the possibility of a permit -- resident

11:25:59 permit area in Soho.
11:26:01 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Second.
11:26:02 >>GWEN MILLER: Motion and second.
11:26:03 (Motion carried).
11:26:06 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Four weeks.
11:26:07 >>STEVE MICHELINI: And the third part of it is curbs
11:26:10 and gutters.
11:26:13 >>MARY ALVAREZ: You're stretching.
11:26:14 >>STEVE MICHELINI: It sort of goes hand in hand.
11:26:17 And I'm sorry.
11:26:18 I beg your indulgence on this.
11:26:20 When developments go in they put in new curbs and
11:26:23 gutters.
11:26:23 There are areas that don't have curbs and don't have
11:26:25 gutters.
11:26:27 They don't have sidewalks.
11:26:30 But the new projects have to put them in.
11:26:34 I understand there's money.
11:26:36 It comes from the impact fees.
11:26:38 Comes from a variety of different sources.
11:26:41 Perhaps while they are log at these items they could
11:26:45 spring some of that money loose for sidewalks, curbs

11:26:48 and gutters, where the developer isn't already putting
11:26:50 new ones in.
11:26:51 And that would be for the existing developments that
11:26:54 are already in the area.
11:26:55 >>GWEN MILLER: Need a motion for that?
11:27:00 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I'll make a motion because I think
11:27:02 that relates to the safe crossing.
11:27:05 I think we are trying to create safe connectivity and
11:27:09 that would be a good thing for the neighborhood.
11:27:11 >>STEVE MICHELINI: We are trying to create
11:27:15 pedestrian-level living areas.
11:27:19 All of the things, the lighting coming down to
11:27:22 pedestrian-level scale, all those things are making a
11:27:25 much better area to live.
11:27:26 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: So my motion would be to ask
11:27:28 transportation to look specifically at Fremont as
11:27:32 investigating in sidewalks and pedestrian oriented
11:27:35 lighting and curbs and gutters to just create a safer,
11:27:38 more walkable street along Fremont.
11:27:39 >>MARY ALVAREZ: Second.
11:27:46 >>> Crumbly.
11:27:47 This area of town got started in 1925.

11:27:51 You can see the stamps in the sidewalks some of them
11:27:53 are so old.
11:27:54 But you will have a sidewalk that goes a half a block,
11:27:58 and then it will maybe skip two blocks and then pick
11:28:02 up again.
11:28:02 You have got sidewalks that wiggle all around trees.
11:28:07 And then you have got no sidewalks and no curbs at
11:28:10 all.
11:28:10 So if you are walking along and you want to cross the
11:28:13 street, you have to walk through the mud, and -- what
11:28:22 I'm trying to get in the neighborhood is, also be if
11:28:28 you have curbs, people don't park in your yards.
11:28:31 If you don't have curbs, then you have got cars in
11:28:33 your yard.
11:28:35 And so, you know, what we want you to do is just come
11:28:40 back and finish this place, you know.
11:28:42 You have got a good start.
11:28:43 You have got good curbs.
11:28:44 Got some of the good old granite curbs and all that
11:28:48 kind of stuff there.
11:28:49 But somewhere along the line, everybody moved on.
11:28:52 And they never came back and put in the rest of the

11:28:55 curbs.
11:28:56 And now everything is built out.
11:28:58 But we still don't have curbing and sidewalks in a lot
11:29:01 of places.
11:29:02 >>GWEN MILLER: Thank you.
11:29:05 >>> And we have handicapped people.
11:29:06 >>GWEN MILLER: We understand what you're saying.
11:29:10 >>> That have to go in the middle of the street.
11:29:11 >>GWEN MILLER: We have a motion and second on the
11:29:13 floor.
11:29:13 (Motion carried).
11:29:17 Thank you.
11:29:17 At this time we'll go to information of council
11:29:19 members.
11:29:19 Mr. White, do you have anything?
11:29:21 >>KEVIN WHITE: Yes.
11:29:25 Prepare a commendation to present to George Davis for
11:29:27 next Thursday for his 39 years of commitment to the
11:29:31 city and for his retirement.
11:29:37 I will contact him.
11:29:39 >> Second.
11:29:39 (Motion carried).

11:29:43 >>GWEN MILLER: Mrs. Ferlita?
11:29:44 >>ROSE FERLITA: I will say this again and read into
11:29:47 the record.
11:29:48 I have tried to get out of the commitment I have next
11:29:50 Thursday night.
11:29:51 I made that commitment long prior to when we scheduled
11:29:55 the Channelside meeting.
11:29:56 I think that's a crucially important issue and I
11:29:58 apologize for not being here but that's nothing I can
11:30:00 do about it.
11:30:01 I'll say that again next week.
11:30:03 And I am specifically saying it because I think it's
11:30:05 important.
11:30:07 And I will be going out to that area with some of the
11:30:10 leadership in Channel District before that to get a
11:30:12 better sense of what Mrs. Alvarez and Mrs. Saul-Sena
11:30:17 have.
11:30:17 >>MARY ALVAREZ: Just one issue.
11:30:19 I understand that there's going to be a a a red light
11:30:22 placed on Bayshore Boulevard and Howard Avenue.
11:30:25 It's a great idea.
11:30:27 With the -- that the Bayshore task force recommended

11:30:31 that.
11:30:31 But we have been asking for a red light or some kind
11:30:35 of a light on Columbus drive and Albany.
11:30:38 There have been more than 30 accidents at this
11:30:40 intersection.
11:30:41 Every time I ask transportation about this, they tell
11:30:43 me you have to be put on the list.
11:30:46 I'd like to know how long this light on Bayshore
11:30:48 Boulevard and Howard Avenue has been on that list.
11:30:51 Because this intersection here is crucial for the West
11:30:57 Tampa area.
11:30:59 Too many accidents are happening there.
11:31:01 And I would like a report back to find out where we
11:31:06 are on the list, with Columbus drive and Albany.
11:31:11 And if we can -- I think we were number 30 or
11:31:15 something like that.
11:31:16 We need to take care of this intersection immediately.
11:31:19 And so I'm asking for a report.
11:31:25 A couple of weeks will be fine.
11:31:26 >>GWEN MILLER: We have a motion and second.
11:31:28 All in favor of the motion say Aye.
11:31:29 Opposed, Nay.

11:31:30 (Motion carried).
11:31:31 >>ROSE FERLITA: I'll certainly support Mrs. Alvarez
11:31:33 but I wish we could circumvent decisions sometimes, no
11:31:36 disrespect to individual members of the task force but
11:31:38 I personally think we could settle two things.
11:31:41 Take that light at Bayshore and Howard and put it at
11:31:43 Columbus drive and Albany.
11:31:45 Because I believe that's going to cause more
11:31:47 problems -- you like that, huh?
11:31:50 I think that's going to cause more problems on
11:31:52 Bayshore.
11:31:52 Many citizens the other day at Burdine's, someplace
11:31:55 else, feel that that's going to encourage people to
11:31:58 stop when they don't have to, simply because that
11:32:00 light is there, pedestrians are going to be safe in
11:32:02 walking.
11:32:03 And I think, you know, later on we are going to see
11:32:07 that it's going to cause more problems.
11:32:08 But that's just a personal opinion.
11:32:13 I would love to be able to give you that light.
11:32:16 >>MARY ALVAREZ: Maybe we can work on that.
11:32:18 >>MARY ALVAREZ: There has to be some kind of -- I know

11:32:24 there has to be some kind of a priority situation on
11:32:31 things like that.
11:32:31 And not to be taken it away from Bayshore task force
11:32:36 because they did a great, great job under Mr.
11:32:38 Dingfelder's leadership on that.
11:32:41 But we're talking about reaction instead of pro
11:32:45 action, again.
11:32:47 And where Columbus drive and Albany has been, we have
11:32:52 had reports that have documented more than 30
11:32:54 accidents.
11:32:55 And we see nothing -- nothing has been done for that
11:32:58 intersection.
11:32:58 So that's where I'm coming from on that.
11:33:02 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Question.
11:33:04 Mary, I'm going to assume from your conversations
11:33:06 probably in the last seven years on this issue with
11:33:08 staff, are there warrants to -- traffic warrants that
11:33:13 justify a traffic light there?
11:33:15 Have they said that?
11:33:17 >>MARY ALVAREZ: Well, what they really say is you are
11:33:19 going to be put on a list.
11:33:21 >> But I am going to assume, there's probably warrants

11:33:23 to justify it.
11:33:24 To them they say we don't have any money.
11:33:28 We are going to put it on a list.
11:33:35 I think -- this is your last budget summer.
11:33:38 I think we could assertively say, be a little more
11:33:41 assertive and say we want this to be included in the
11:33:43 budget.
11:33:43 >>MARY ALVAREZ: We want this to be included in the
11:33:45 budget.
11:33:46 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: So with that said, if you include
11:33:50 that in your motion, there's a strong direction from
11:33:53 you and from this council to include it in the budget,
11:33:55 that --
11:34:02 >>MARTIN SHELBY: This council also has the right to
11:34:05 request budget amendments.
11:34:07 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I think if we put it in next year's
11:34:10 budget, it won't be too assertive, even though we
11:34:13 could.
11:34:13 So I think that's appropriate.
11:34:14 And I think it's a little more like you want it done
11:34:17 before you're off council.
11:34:18 I think that's fine.

11:34:19 >>ROSE FERLITA: Mr. Dingfelder, are you all saying we
11:34:23 all get to pick exit projects?
11:34:27 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I'm just saying to Mary.
11:34:30 No.
11:34:30 And the other thing, there's been a lot of
11:34:32 misunderstanding about the Howard traffic light.
11:34:34 I advocated for the Howard traffic light, because it
11:34:37 will create gaps in the traffic further upstream, and
11:34:43 rose, they are your neighbors in Hyde Park.
11:34:45 Some so many people who are in Hyde Park who say, I
11:34:48 can't safely push my baby carriage across to the water
11:34:54 side because there's no gaps in the traffic. The
11:34:56 reason there's no gaps in the traffic is you can drive
11:34:58 from Ballast Point to downtown if you stay in the
11:35:01 water-side lane without ever stopping especially in
11:35:05 those business times when the base lets out.
11:35:07 That's one of the reasons that I think the light at
11:35:09 Bay to Bay and light at Howard are important.
11:35:11 It's not just to stop traffic at those corners to let
11:35:15 traffic cross there. Even the mayor and I, we haven't
11:35:18 totally communicated that, although I appreciate her
11:35:21 support on that issue, that she is putting one in

11:35:24 Howard and next year I understand -- if the Howard
11:35:26 works, they put one on Bay to Bay.
11:35:28 But it's to create a 30-second stop in that traffic.
11:35:37 >> And your logic was good logic.
11:35:38 All I'm saying, you can always have a flip argument
11:35:41 and then some citizens in that same area telling me
11:35:43 all that's going to happen is they are going to stop
11:35:45 and then make up for that gap by speeding up.
11:35:47 So I don't know.
11:35:48 It remains to be seen.
11:35:49 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Okay.
11:35:50 >>MARY ALVAREZ: A pedestrian light or something.
11:35:55 >>GWEN MILLER: Transportation will work it out.
11:35:58 They'll get it fixed.
11:35:58 >>MARY ALVAREZ: Should I include that in my motion to
11:36:01 have Transportation come talk to us?
11:36:03 And that we find the money in this next year's budget
11:36:09 for the light at Columbus Drive and Albany.
11:36:11 >>GWEN MILLER: Motion and second.
11:36:13 (Motion carried).
11:36:17 Mrs. Saul-Sena?
11:36:20 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I am going to share with each

11:36:23 council member a brochure from the National Conference
11:36:23 for Community and Justice about public prayer in a
11:36:27 diverse society.
11:36:28 I would like to request that each council member when
11:36:30 you have people come on your behalf and provide an
11:36:33 invocation that you share this brochure with them.
11:36:36 We have lots more copies in the office.
11:36:38 I'll give them to you.
11:36:39 They are free.
11:36:39 They really help people provide prayer that's
11:36:41 appropriate.
11:36:42 Secondly, brick alleys in Ybor, I understand that four
11:36:46 brick alleys are being paved over even as we speak and
11:36:49 I'm really upset, Mrs. Alvarez, this is terrible.
11:36:52 Brick alleys are being paved over.
11:36:54 So I would like to request that by 5:30 tonight that
11:36:58 Mr. Pardo and Mr. LaMotte share with us information on
11:37:02 this.
11:37:02 Because it's my understanding, because the Barrio has
11:37:04 sway over Ybor and said no more paving over brick
11:37:11 alleys, we need to get a grip before they cement over.
11:37:16 >>MARY ALVAREZ: Mrs. Saul-Sena, do you know which

11:37:19 alleys they are?
11:37:21 >> Mr. LaMotte does.
11:37:22 >>MARY ALVAREZ: Because I had a conversation with Mr.
11:37:26 Pardo pretty much about that.
11:37:27 And what it is is that they are behind restaurants
11:37:30 that put their garbage cans out there.
11:37:34 Sometimes they overflow.
11:37:35 And that stuff that comes out of the garbage cans
11:37:40 permeates through the brick streets, the brick alleys,
11:37:43 and it causes an odor.
11:37:46 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: You can put grout between the
11:37:51 bricks.
11:37:51 >>MARY ALVAREZ: Well, I don't know about that.
11:37:54 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: We need some more --
11:38:02 >>MARY ALVAREZ: Of course, I'm not in favor of doing
11:38:06 that to brick alleys.
11:38:07 But sometimes there's a reason.
11:38:10 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Maybe some better way to do it.
11:38:18 >> You said gravel, Mr. Dingfelder.
11:38:20 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Grout.
11:38:23 Like cement between the bricks.
11:38:25 I have seen that done.

11:38:27 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Just for procedurally, you are
11:38:31 requesting Mr. Pardo and Mr. LaMotte to appear at
11:38:36 tonight's meeting?
11:38:41 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: They don't have to appear.
11:38:42 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: He said he's going to be here
11:38:45 anyway.
11:38:45 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: The problem is if this is being
11:38:49 done right now I want to get a grip before bricks --
11:38:53 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I want to share with you that I had
11:38:55 this conversation with staff with requests for
11:38:57 short-notice requests for staff members to appear on
11:39:02 the same day, for instance, as council meeting.
11:39:04 I want to share that.
11:39:06 I don't know how that's going to get communicated.
11:39:08 >>KEVIN WHITE: It's not like a short notice of things
11:39:12 they want to us vote on on the same day.
11:39:14 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: They are listening.
11:39:16 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I think it's something we are all
11:39:19 concerned with and it's something evidently taking
11:39:21 place right now, that warrants --
11:39:24 >>MARTIN SHELBY: And I don't disagree.
11:39:26 It's appropriate for council to do that.

11:39:27 I just want to share with you as long as that's
11:39:30 communicated to the administration.
11:39:31 >>ROSE FERLITA: Madam Chairman.
11:39:33 Mr. Shelby, thank you for pointing that out.
11:39:35 And I think maybe your chief of staff or Commander in
11:39:38 Chief Mr. Smith or whatever is probably going to focus
11:39:42 his TV because what I am saying goes tort heart of
11:39:45 what never happens here oftentimes.
11:39:47 Mr. LaMotte is coming anyway.
11:39:48 And if we need somebody to appear on short notice
11:39:51 because it's a position that we need to take, and it's
11:39:53 brought to us on short notice, oh, well, I don't think
11:39:56 there's a holding time where wave to say we want you
11:39:58 to appear in 48.5 hours.
11:40:01 But in this particular situation, I think that if Mr.
11:40:05 LaMotte is in charge of transportation, and
11:40:09 transportation decisions, I have no idea if doing the
11:40:13 grout process that Mr. Dingfelder suggested, or paving
11:40:17 over, which is the better alternative.
11:40:20 I can't make that determination.
11:40:21 I think point though is I don't know who determined
11:40:23 that those four need to be done.

11:40:25 I have a -- aid brief conversation with Mr. LaMotte
11:40:29 and I walked away with the fact that the impression
11:40:32 that he didn't know.
11:40:33 So, I mean, again we are never sticking to our
11:40:36 jurisdictional boundaries.
11:40:37 Mr. LaMotte should be the one that initiates this,
11:40:40 informs us, or encourages approval or disapproval.
11:40:43 And I think that's not happening.
11:40:44 I'd like to know who did that so we can move forward
11:40:46 with the procedure.
11:40:47 But before we get to procedure we have to get to
11:40:50 policy.
11:40:51 Mr. LaMotte is the transportation department head.
11:40:53 So I will be very curious to just pick these four
11:40:58 alleys for whatever reason, and see what Mr. LaMotte
11:41:00 has to say.
11:41:01 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I should also point out that I
11:41:03 understand -- and I don't want to take council's
11:41:05 time -- but in terms of the timeliness, I understand
11:41:07 that time is of the essence.
11:41:09 I should also point out that under 2.14 in the
11:41:13 exercise of its legislative powers the counsel or

11:41:16 special committee therefore shall have the right to
11:41:19 conduct such hearings as the council shall deem
11:41:21 necessary, expedient and proper, and have been the
11:41:23 power to compel wits, et cetera.
11:41:25 I just want to share it is appropriate.
11:41:27 I just want to do the logistics so that council does
11:41:29 have the appearance that it desires.
11:41:32 >>ROSE FERLITA: And that's my point, Mr. Shelby.
11:41:34 Yes, we do have the right on the spur of the moment if
11:41:37 that's what happens when we know something and we need
11:41:38 to react, we can't wait to call the department.
11:41:41 But in this case I am acknowledging the fact the
11:41:43 department appears to not be aware of what's happening
11:41:46 so we need to do our due diligence and find out who
11:41:50 decided they are going to pick these four alleys --
11:41:53 alleys without Mr. LaMotte and why.
11:41:55 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: And a little bit more, I would like
11:42:00 legal to write something tonight that reinforces my
11:42:02 understanding that brick alleys are protected by the
11:42:04 Barrio Latino and that the process would be if
11:42:07 somebody wanted to cover over them that they would
11:42:09 have had to present that and gotten permission from

11:42:11 the Barrio Latino which I understand has not happened.
11:42:15 So whatever attorney deals with brick alleys and
11:42:18 Barrio Latino, they don't have to appear in person but
11:42:22 I would like something written that addresses that
11:42:24 process.
11:42:27 >>GWEN MILLER: Motion and second.
11:42:29 All in favor say Aye.
11:42:30 Opposed, Nay.
11:42:30 (Motion carried).
11:42:33 >> Lastly, I will volunteer to meet with Mark Huey to
11:42:35 identify investments as part of our DRC process so
11:42:40 it's not up to council to negotiate things before us
11:42:42 but it's part of our overall redevelopment process
11:42:45 that we look at how developers can support our
11:42:50 redevelopment process.
11:42:50 And I will report back to council.
11:42:53 That's it.
11:42:54 >>GWEN MILLER: Mr. Dingfelder?
11:42:55 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Thank you, Madam Chair.
11:42:58 Good people keep retiring across this city, and
11:43:02 including two of my departments.
11:43:05 In the water department, the chief engineer for water,

11:43:12 and after 15 or 18 years, something like that is
11:43:14 retiring.
11:43:16 And going down to south Florida to help with the
11:43:18 Everglades project which is nice of him but our loss.
11:43:20 Anyway, and Dave Picard, who I think has a huge
11:43:24 number, decades, with the city and with the wastewater
11:43:28 department. So two weeks from now. Not next week
11:43:34 because it's getting a little crowded.
11:43:36 Two weeks from now I would like to give commendations
11:43:38 to both of those fine gentlemen.
11:43:40 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Second.
11:43:41 (Motion carried).
11:43:44 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I just wanted to make sure how
11:43:45 many -- we have discussed not having a slew of awards
11:43:52 in the morning.
11:43:54 Do we have a total?
11:43:55 City clerk, question, how many people are getting some
11:44:00 sort of --
11:44:01 >>THE CLERK: March 30th we have Mahdi Mansour
11:44:05 and Thomas Capell.
11:44:10 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: And we added somebody.
11:44:12 So that's a third.

11:44:12 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Do we have any police or fire
11:44:15 people?
11:44:16 >>THE CLERK: No.
11:44:17 On the 6th you have the presentation commendation
11:44:20 for the firefighter of the quarter.
11:44:31 >>GWEN MILLER: Anything else, Mr. Dingfelder?
11:44:32 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: No, thank you.
11:44:33 >>GWEN MILLER: Okay.
11:44:34 I have one, Mr. Lane, who is the director of the
11:44:37 compensation study, would like to come before council
11:44:39 on the 30th to present a five-minute PowerPoint.
11:44:48 He wants to do a PowerPoint of five minutes.
11:44:51 Don't need to vote on it?
11:44:55 >>MARY ALVAREZ: So moved.
11:44:57 >>GWEN MILLER: Motion and second.
11:44:58 (Motion carried)
11:44:59 Mr. Shelby, do you have anything?
11:45:01 Clerk?
11:45:01 >>KEVIN WHITE: receive and file.
11:45:06 >> Second.
11:45:06 (Motion carried).
11:45:08 >>THE CLERK: We have received a request from ray

11:45:10 Shamonte from the Planning Commission asking
11:45:15 permission to use the city seal for the first annual
11:45:18 heritage day to be provided on April 7th.
11:45:20 And we would like to have it come back tonight because
11:45:22 they do have to get it to the printers to get the
11:45:24 Flyers.
11:45:25 >>MARY ALVAREZ: So moved.
11:45:27 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Just -- I am going to recuse myself
11:45:33 from that vote.?
11:45:39 >>MARY ALVAREZ: Are you Italian?
11:45:41 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Not only am I Italian going back a
11:45:43 thousand years perhaps, I suppose.
11:45:44 No, just kidding.
11:45:45 But my wife is working on that whole Festive Italiana,
11:45:48 But just to be 100% clean and clear I don't want to
11:45:56 vote on that.
11:45:57 (Motion carried).
11:46:02 >>GWEN MILLER: Anything else?
11:46:04 >>THE CLERK: Also, Council had received a memo from
11:46:09 Cynthia Miller about the Historic Preservation
11:46:10 Commission requesting reappointments of John Tennison,
11:46:14 and Kathryn Byrd.

11:46:19 >> So moved.?
11:46:20 >>MARY ALVAREZ: Second.
11:46:21 (Motion carried).
11:46:21 >>THE CLERK: Those are the only items I have.
11:46:24 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: We have received -- I have received
11:46:27 a note from Terry Cullen from the Planning Commission
11:46:29 thanking all the council members who attended the City
11:46:32 Council workshop recently and saying that they need to
11:46:34 do another at the end of April.
11:46:36 So I think that the noontime meeting was as efficient
11:46:43 as anything.
11:46:44 We set something for April 20th earlier today.
11:46:51 I looked at our calendar.
11:46:53 It's very busy.
11:46:54 I know we are all interested in the comprehensive
11:46:56 plan, where we are going to put 90,000 more people.
11:47:00 Although my suggestion was we just encourage them to
11:47:01 go elsewhere.
11:47:09 >>GWEN MILLER: Make a motion?
11:47:13 >>MARY ALVAREZ: So moved.
11:47:15 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Second.
11:47:17 Between 12:00 and 1:30 in the Mascotte room with the

11:47:21 comprehensive planning.
11:47:23 >>ROSE FERLITA: What I think we ought to do, ladies
11:47:28 and gentlemen, if we suspect we are going to make a
11:47:30 motion, that we need to add something to the calendar,
11:47:32 why don't we jot a little note down and make sure that
11:47:35 every council member gets that so that once it comes
11:47:38 to us in terms of a suggestion during the body of the
11:47:41 meeting, we will have already checked.
11:47:43 I don't know if I have an appointment.
11:47:44 You don't know if you have an appointment.
11:47:46 Kevin doesn't know if he has some.
11:47:48 You know what I'm saying?
11:47:50 It's like we are saying yes.
11:47:52 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: The good news is we don't have an
11:47:56 evening meeting that night.
11:47:57 >>ROSE FERLITA: I'm saying not particularly with this.
11:47:59 Anybody who thinks they want to add something to the
11:48:01 current agenda, why don't you let us know first so
11:48:03 when we get here when don't have to say of what we
11:48:05 said earlier with your issue.
11:48:07 I don't know.
11:48:08 It just makes it more efficient.

11:48:09 >>MARY ALVAREZ: Sometimes it's just instantaneous.
11:48:22 >>ROSE FERLITA: Like Festive Italiano.
11:48:26 That's instantaneous. John's going to make more
11:48:28 money.
11:48:30 >>GWEN MILLER: Anything else, Clerk? Mr. Shelby, we
11:48:31 need to go back -- .
11:48:38 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Rose, I know you're just teasing.
11:48:38 My wife will not make more money if you approve it.
11:48:41 She has a flat contract regardless.
11:48:47 >>ROSE FERLITA: Probably make less money.
11:48:48 >>GWEN MILLER: Will you check your calendar?
11:48:52 >>ROSE FERLITA: I haven't moved.
11:48:54 That's for the next week on the 30th that night.
11:48:57 I don't have my calendar here.
11:48:59 I mean, I'm saying yes.
11:49:03 You already did that before I said -- the 30th is the
11:49:05 Channelside night meeting.
11:49:10 >>MARTIN SHELBY: And we are coming back tonight after
11:49:11 we check on the calendars.
11:49:13 >>ROSE FERLITA: In my efforts to simplify this I have
11:49:16 complicated it.
11:49:18 Certainly right.

11:49:18 >>GWEN MILLER: Anything else to come before council?
11:49:22 We go to our audience portion.
11:49:25 (off camera)
12:05:47 (Council in recess)