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Tampa City Council
Thursday, April 6, 2006
9:00 a.m. Session

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09:02:57 [Sounding gavel]
09:02:58 >>GWEN MILLER: Tampa City Council is called to order.
09:02:59 Roll call.
09:03:02 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Here.

09:03:03 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Here.
09:03:04 >>SHAWN HARRISON: Here.
09:03:05 >>MARY ALVAREZ: Here.
09:03:06 >>ROSE FERLITA: Here.
09:03:07 >>KEVIN WHITE: Here.
09:03:09 >>GWEN MILLER: Here.
09:03:09 >>SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES: We will now conduct the
09:03:20 election for our chairman and chairman pro tem for the
09:03:24 Tampa City Council.
09:03:25 Here are the election guidelines.
09:03:28 The election of the chair will be first.
09:03:31 Nominations do not require a second.
09:03:33 Please wait to be recognized before nominating a
09:03:37 candidate.
09:03:38 I will open the nominations and close them after all
09:03:42 nominations have been made.
09:03:45 Votes will be counted -- counted by raising your hand.
09:03:48 The vote will be taken in the order of nomination
09:03:51 beginning with the first named nominate or.
09:03:53 The vote will cease as soon as there is a majority,
09:03:56 which requires four votes.
09:03:59 Having said that, nominations are now in order.
09:04:04 >>ROSE FERLITA: Thank you.
09:04:05 I would like to nominate chairman Gwen Miller again,
09:04:08 please.
09:04:08 >> Second.
09:04:09 >> Second.
09:04:14 >>SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES: Are there other nominations?
09:04:18 >> Move to close.
09:04:20 >>SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES: All in favor?
09:04:22 >>ROSE FERLITA: Move to be reelected by acclamation.
09:04:25 >>SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES: Would the reelected chair like
09:04:28 to say anything?
09:04:30 >>GWEN MILLER: The old chair, the new chair.
09:04:33 Well, I just say thank you very much to my colleagues.
09:04:37 It is a pleasure for me to be the chair again.
09:04:41 Now we had a good year last year.
09:04:43 And looking this morning, we are going to do better
09:04:47 this year, we are going to do great things for the
09:04:50 City of Tampa.
09:04:50 We always do but it's going to be a much better year
09:04:53 for us because there is so much to be done in the City
09:04:55 of Tampa.
09:04:56 And we are very proud of our constituents.
09:05:00 We are always asking for good things to be done and we
09:05:03 are going to show them that we can be a council that
09:05:06 they want.
09:05:08 And we are going to say thank you again.
09:05:10 And we are going to run this city like we ran it
09:05:15 before.
09:05:15 Thank you.
09:05:16 >>THE CLERK: We do have a motion on the floor for
09:05:19 acclamation.
09:05:21 >>GWEN MILLER: Motion and second.
09:05:22 [Motion Carried Unanimously]
09:05:25 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I just wanted to say what a
09:05:27 privilege it's been to serve under you, Madam Chair,
09:05:31 for the last two years, and coming into the third
09:05:34 year.
09:05:35 I think that you do a great job.
09:05:39 You keep a good spirit and a good pleasant attitude in
09:05:43 this chamber and I think that's so important.
09:05:46 You know, sometimes the issues are tough that are
09:05:48 facing us but at the end of the day we all walk out of
09:05:51 here friends.
09:05:52 And I think it's in large part to you and we thank you

09:05:57 for your continued service.
09:05:58 >>GWEN MILLER: Thank you.
09:05:59 I appreciate that.
09:06:00 >>SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES: Congratulations.
09:06:02 Nominations are now in order for our chairman pro tem.
09:06:05 Is there a nomination?
09:06:06 Mrs. Saul-Sena?
09:06:07 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I'd like to nominate Shawn
09:06:10 Harrison.
09:06:11 >>SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES: Are there any other
09:06:12 nominations? All in favor of Shawn Harrison, please
09:06:16 raise your hand.
09:06:18 Okay, that's Nam.
09:06:19 Would you like to say a few words?
09:06:21 >>SHAWN HARRISON: Thanks to my colleagues for your
09:06:23 continued belief in our system.
09:06:28 I think we do have a good team working here.
09:06:31 And I look forward to another good year also.
09:06:35 >>SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES: Congratulations again to the
09:06:37 new chairman and chairman pro tem.
09:06:40 I turn the meeting back over to our chairman.
09:06:45 >>CHAIRMAN: Thank you.

09:06:47 (Applause).
09:06:51 At this time I would like to turn it over to Mr. Shawn
09:06:54 Harrison.
09:06:54 >>SHAWN HARRISON: Thank you, Madam Chairman.
09:06:57 This morning it's my privilege and honor to introduce
09:06:59 my friend as well as my pastor from my home church,
09:07:03 Brian James of St. James United Methodist Church up in
09:07:07 New Tampa.
09:07:08 Brian will give the invocation if we could all stand
09:07:10 for that and remain standing for the pledge.
09:07:14 >>> Thank you, Shawn.
09:07:17 Would you pray with me, please.
09:07:18 Almighty God, a guide to those who would lead and
09:07:26 those of us who would to follow.
09:07:28 Show us how that we might reveal your glory in your
09:07:32 world.
09:07:32 Give us a reference for your creation so we may use it
09:07:35 for sources rightly and in service to others and in
09:07:38 honor to you.
09:07:39 Give us patience, spirit, that our lives live closely
09:07:43 together.
09:07:44 May there be harmony of honor in the midst of

09:07:46 consensus and disagreement.
09:07:49 Grant wisdom and patience, courage and true devotion
09:07:52 to all those who sit before us as leaders.
09:07:55 May you encourage their spirit, lift their eyes to the
09:07:59 grander vision of your will.
09:08:01 We ask all this in your sacred name.
09:08:03 Amen.
09:08:06 (Pledge of Allegiance).
09:08:22 >>GWEN MILLER: Roll call.
09:08:24 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Here.
09:08:25 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Here.
09:08:26 >>SHAWN HARRISON: Here.
09:08:27 >>MARY ALVAREZ: (No response)
09:08:28 >>ROSE FERLITA: Here.
09:08:29 >>KEVIN WHITE: Here.
09:08:30 >>GWEN MILLER: Here.
09:08:32 Before we go into our agenda, I would like to put on
09:08:35 the record that Mrs. Mary Alvarez had to leave because
09:08:38 of her daughter's illness and she had to go to the
09:08:40 hospital.
09:08:41 At this time, we turn to Rose Ferlita who will do a
09:08:44 presentation of firefighter of the quarter.

09:09:08 >>ROSE FERLITA: I look forward to serving the reminder
09:09:10 of my time under your leadership.
09:09:17 I would ask the rest of the firefighters to come to
09:09:20 the front.
09:09:22 I understand Chief Jones is not here.
09:09:25 I miss him but it's always a pleasure.
09:09:35 Thank you to the men and women of fire rescue.
09:09:38 It's a difficult situation for the leadership of fire
09:09:41 rescue.
09:09:41 And that's why I usually yield to you guys to try to
09:09:45 explain the process you had to go through to one
09:09:50 versus another.
09:09:51 I'll be happy to present this on behalf of our
09:09:54 chairman.
09:09:56 >>> Thank you, councilwoman Ferlita.
09:09:58 Thank you to council for having the opportunity to
09:09:59 stand here.
09:10:00 Congratulations to chair Miller for being elected a
09:10:03 second time.
09:10:05 As Ms. Ferlita said, this is really near and dear to
09:10:09 the fire chief's heart.
09:10:11 This is something that we have spent a lot of time

09:10:12 making sure it's done properly.
09:10:14 He is out of town.
09:10:16 Or he would be here today.
09:10:17 We did go through an arduous task to make sure that we
09:10:21 select the person, awards and rewards, in the second
09:10:26 quarter, and this is going to be for captain Morris.
09:10:31 So I will read what we have here for that.
09:10:35 Captain Morris G. Costello has been with the
09:10:38 department since February 28, 1983 and is currently
09:10:40 assigned to truck 1 on the B shift in downtown.
09:10:43 On October 17, 2005, about 9:30 in the morning,
09:10:52 captain Costello and his crew responded to the port of
09:10:55 Tampa for a man who had fallen and was severely
09:10:59 injured inside of a ship.
09:11:00 On scene captain Costello and his crew worked their
09:11:03 way down to the bowels of the ship.
09:11:05 The man was located deep inside the vessel.
09:11:08 The stairs and passageways in this part of the ship
09:11:11 are very narrow. As part of the rescue team provided
09:11:13 the medical care and placed the injured man into a
09:11:16 metal carrying basket.
09:11:18 A plan had been developed to quickly yet safely remove

09:11:22 him.
09:11:22 Captain Costello coordinated efforts with shipyard
09:11:26 workers and other responders on scene.
09:11:29 The ship was sitting on a dry dock.
09:11:31 Iron workers were directed to cut a hole in the side
09:11:33 of the vessel through which the patient could be
09:11:35 passed.
09:11:36 Once outside the vessel a shipyard crane was attached
09:11:39 to the steel basket in which the patient laid.
09:11:42 The crane then smoothly lifted the basket with the
09:11:45 patient and one rescuer into the air landing them onto
09:11:49 the dock.
09:11:49 Care for seriously injured man was then transferred to
09:11:52 the medical helicopter crew.
09:11:54 This rescue unfolded under the watchful eye of several
09:11:57 news helicopters, was live on several national news
09:12:01 stations, CNN and MSNBC as well as the local news.
09:12:05 Their actions reflected positively on the city and
09:12:08 Tampa Fire Rescue.
09:12:09 This alarm is just one example of captain Costello's
09:12:12 leadership and professionalism.
09:12:14 Captain Costello was recently tasked to develop a new

09:12:17 car technology training class for the fire academy.
09:12:20 Captain Costello worked with firefighter Steve skinner
09:12:23 to research and organize a class on the challenges and
09:12:26 dangers faced by rescuers when dealing with modern
09:12:29 vehicles that have multiple air bags or use hybrid
09:12:32 drive technology.
09:12:33 For these actions and many others conducted over his
09:12:36 23 year career we are proud to recognize captain
09:12:39 Morris G. Costello as Tampa's firefighter of the
09:12:42 quarter.
09:12:44 (Applause).
09:12:55 >>ROSE FERLITA: Thank you very much.
09:12:56 Madam Chairman, we are going to do a couple of things
09:12:59 atypically today.
09:13:00 I'm doing that simply because we have -- we appreciate
09:13:05 your patience, probably at a higher level.
09:13:08 Obviously many people want to say thank you to you,
09:13:10 your colleagues, your family, your co-workers, people
09:13:14 that have known you and respected you in the
09:13:18 community.
09:13:18 I want to do something a little different because this
09:13:20 becomes a personal issue up here.

09:13:21 I don't think that there's anything that I enjoy more
09:13:25 than being able to say thank you as public safety
09:13:27 chairman.
09:13:28 So and those that are selected in this process.
09:13:34 I went over and you said no but I am going to ignore
09:13:36 the no answer anyway.
09:13:38 I would like a colleague of mine to come up here who I
09:13:41 understand is a very close friend, and he said, no,
09:13:43 no, no, this is my show.
09:13:44 It is not at all my show.
09:13:46 It is certainly captain Costello's show.
09:13:48 But many things that I learned about being
09:13:50 appreciative of what public safety does came from a
09:13:55 man that is a good friend of mine and with whom I sat
09:13:59 next to for a good period of time and that is former
09:14:01 councilman Bob Buckhorn.
09:14:03 Whether he wants to or not, I would like him to come
09:14:06 up here.
09:14:07 (Applause).
09:14:11 I listen well and I think it's not out of order.
09:14:14 He was a councilman and is a former councilman and he
09:14:16 happens to be a friend.

09:14:19 So I would like my friend --
09:14:21 >>GWEN MILLER: Can I think about it for a minute?
09:14:23 (Laughter).
09:14:26 >> When the vote was called, I said Aye.
09:14:28 So I'm with you.
09:14:35 Colleagues and council member Ferlita, thank you.
09:14:38 I was just here to cheer for MG.
09:14:43 It's good to see all my colleagues.
09:14:45 It's a familiar place to be to read the proclamations
09:14:48 for some of the men and women behind us and I thank
09:14:51 the City Council for the opportunity to read this.
09:14:53 Before I do this, I want to recognize chief Costello.
09:15:03 Colleagues, many of you will remember Costello had a
09:15:10 three piece suit on, a tie, was as sharp as he could
09:15:13 be, and look at him now.
09:15:16 (Laughter).
09:15:25 But on behalf of all of you and council member Ferlita
09:15:28 and all of MG's colleagues that are here today, MG
09:15:31 Costello really epitomizes what is right about Tampa
09:15:37 rescue.
09:15:38 Captain Morris G. Costello has been selected as
09:15:42 firefighter of the quarter, his he and his crew

09:15:46 recently rescued a man under extreme conditions.
09:15:49 For the work you do daily, MG, to keep our city safer,
09:15:53 the City Council of the City of Tampa and all of its
09:15:56 private citizens commend you.
09:15:58 MG, thank you.
09:15:59 You are the best!
09:16:00 (Applause).
09:16:02 >>ROSE FERLITA: Thank you.
09:16:12 I truly appreciate that.
09:16:15 I think the other people want to say thank you now.
09:16:20 If the corporate members want to come up and say thank
09:16:23 you now, that would be great.
09:16:25 >>> Danny Lewis from Bill Currie Ford.
09:16:35 I would like to present this watch on behalf of the
09:16:37 300 employees from bill Currie Ford, and your weekends
09:16:43 away from home, hours alone, we appreciate what you
09:16:48 do.
09:16:48 (Applause).
09:17:02 >> Don't keep backing up because there's more people
09:17:04 behind me.
09:17:07 Steve Michelini, here on behalf of John Lund, Aaron
09:17:11 Baluzian, myself, and Liss development company, a $100

09:17:17 gift certificate to Bern's steak house.
09:17:20 Don't be shy when you go to order your food.
09:17:22 On behalf of the Hillsborough County towing
09:17:26 association we are presenting with you a $50 gift
09:17:29 certificate to your choice of Outback.
09:17:35 Po boy's restaurant providing you with a $50 gift
09:17:38 certificate and Bryn Allen studios is providing with
09:17:40 you a complimentary photographic package for you and
09:17:45 your family.
09:17:46 Congratulations.
09:17:48 (Applause).
09:17:53 >> Hank Martin from first command financial planning.
09:17:55 On behalf of my family and my co-workers, I would like
09:17:59 to thank you for keeping our community safe and a
09:18:02 great place to be in.
09:18:03 I have a couple gifts for you.
09:18:04 And keep up the great work.
09:18:06 You have a great team here.
09:18:07 And you have got a great leader.
09:18:09 So thanks again.
09:18:11 (Applause).
09:18:15 >>> Harrison Higginbottom, enterprise rent a car.

09:18:20 We would like to provide you with a free weekend
09:18:23 rental here in the Tampa area.
09:18:27 (Applause).
09:18:32 >>> Florida executive realty, on behalf of myself at
09:18:35 Florida investment realty, a great dinner.
09:18:42 >> Thank you very much.
09:18:43 (Applause).
09:18:47 >> Lowry Park Zoo.
09:18:50 We would like to thank you very much for all that you
09:18:53 do.
09:18:54 Thank you very much.
09:18:56 (Applause).
09:19:00 >> Steve Stickley representing Stepp's towing.
09:19:04 On behalf of Stepps towing service we would like to
09:19:08 thank you for all your hard work, on behalf of myself,
09:19:12 I would like to thank you and give you our
09:19:15 congratulations.
09:19:16 We also have a gift certificate to Outback for you.
09:19:20 (Applause).
09:19:25 >>ROSE FERLITA: Looking around, somebody from the
09:19:28 aquarium was not able to come this morning.
09:19:30 But so you and your family can enjoy a day at the

09:19:33 aquarium as well.
09:19:34 Today is absolutely -- it's just unbelievable.
09:19:39 Bob came in and I'm happy he did so it's my pleasure
09:19:42 to follow him and all the wonderful years that he took
09:19:44 care of public safety.
09:19:45 And, you know, our corporate members come up and say
09:19:48 thank you and that's important because they represent
09:19:49 at least a portion of the community that says thanks.
09:19:53 One in particular, Steve Michelini comes up here as a
09:19:57 representative of several corporations and corporate
09:20:01 entities that say thank you.
09:20:02 And, Steve, if you can join me just for a minute.
09:20:05 I have one more thing, Madam Chairman.
09:20:07 Believe it or not I will turn the meeting over back to
09:20:10 you.
09:20:10 You know, when I took over as public safety chairman,
09:20:13 I said -- and I continue to say -- there are not
09:20:16 enough occasions and not enough reasons and
09:20:19 opportunities to say thank you to the men and women of
09:20:21 police and fire.
09:20:22 So we decided to partner with yet an additional
09:20:26 corporation, and that was TECO.

09:20:27 And we do an annual firefighter of the year and police
09:20:32 officer of the year, and make some acknowledgments and
09:20:34 recognitions and awards to them as well.
09:20:37 To heighten that we have done something -- and I think
09:20:40 when you do something that's personal, just means a
09:20:43 great, great deal more.
09:20:44 And one of the people that have been partnering with
09:20:47 us for a long time, although he rarely comes up to
09:20:51 take that recognition and gives it all to Steve -- and
09:20:53 Steve does well with it -- but Tom loan is here.
09:20:58 And I told him on the phony needed his help.
09:21:01 He didn't have any reason why he was coming in.
09:21:03 He thought it was to harass me.
09:21:19 Certainly to John.
09:21:21 John lost his mom in December, I believe, is that
09:21:24 right, John?
09:21:25 And that was something that was very personal, and
09:21:28 very dear to John.
09:21:29 And bringing that experience to say thank you to the
09:21:34 police and fire is something that we're trying to do
09:21:36 this morning.
09:21:37 Let me try to clarify what we're doing.

09:21:40 Why don't you come forward?
09:21:43 We have a trophy here, John, that is going to
09:21:47 memorialize the loss of your mom.
09:21:49 And at the same time it's going to be an opportunity
09:21:52 for us to continue having an internal a war for each
09:21:58 of the firefighters.
09:21:59 I am sorry to say I am not going to be here for a
09:22:01 great deal of those recognitions.
09:22:09 >>STEVE MICHELINI: You have always been there for the
09:22:18 City Council and been there for the corporate, and so
09:22:22 in your mother's honor, this trophy for an annual
09:22:26 award is being dedicated to Krista Lum, that will be
09:22:31 given to one of those four gentlemen who just received
09:22:33 the quarterly firefighter of the year award.
09:22:37 Very briefly, Krista Lum was born in Germany during a
09:22:44 very difficult time and survived the war through very
09:22:47 difficult circumstances losing her home, and finally
09:22:51 meeting John's dad through the U.S. Army.
09:22:53 Eventually after living in Canada, France, Germany,
09:22:57 United States, 53-year marriage, they moved to
09:23:00 Florida.
09:23:01 And Krista suffered a stroke shortly after arriving in

09:23:07 Tampa.
09:23:07 She was administered by Monsignor Higgin who also
09:23:11 assisted the family.
09:23:12 Shortly after that she traveled to Toronto visit her
09:23:15 family, and passed away in her sleep very suddenly.
09:23:21 A peaceful passing but very difficult for all of us.
09:23:25 She's survived by her children, Martin, why don't you
09:23:31 come up as well?
09:23:32 And it was her deep commitment and love for Tampa that
09:23:36 resulted in this award.
09:23:38 And it was their love for this community and trying to
09:23:41 make Tampa a better place to live and work that has
09:23:44 resulted in establishing a trophy for the Tampa Fire
09:23:47 Rescue, who is a very -- has a dear place in their
09:23:56 heart.
09:23:56 To memorialize their mother's life, and dedication and
09:24:00 excellence to the community, love and deep
09:24:02 appreciation to the fire rescue department of Tampa in
09:24:05 particular, and all those around the world dedicated
09:24:07 to the life and safety of other people.
09:24:11 And the values and qualities of life exemplified in
09:24:16 hers and instilled in her children will live through

09:24:18 the gift of this award, the friends and family of
09:24:20 Krista Lum, in her memory.
09:24:27 (Applause).
09:24:44 >>ROSE FERLITA: It means so much to you and supports
09:24:47 fire rescue.
09:24:49 I don't know if you want to say anything.
09:24:53 >>> Thank you for everybody's time.
09:24:56 We are really so proud of all the hard work that
09:24:58 everybody did.
09:25:01 You guys go out there and do your job day after day.
09:25:04 It's a thankless job.
09:25:06 And thank you very much.
09:25:07 Thank you for that.
09:25:07 >>ROSE FERLITA: And I think our leadership with fire
09:25:12 rescue, how they want to display it, or how we are
09:25:15 going to do it but each year one of the firefighters
09:25:18 has gotten the firefighter award.
09:25:20 We'll engrave their name and it will continue to be
09:25:23 eternalized or wherever you want it.
09:25:28 That being said, thank you for putting up with a very
09:25:31 atypical program this morning.
09:25:33 I think captain Costello, it's finally your turn.

09:25:41 >> One last thing.
09:25:41 This is designed in such a way that as you run out of
09:25:44 names it can be stacked.
09:25:48 The Tampa Krista Lum cup.
09:25:57 So thank you very much.
09:25:59 (Applause).
09:26:05 >> I want to thank you, City Council, for taking time
09:26:08 out of your busy day.
09:26:13 It means a great deal.
09:26:14 I want you to know that 575 team members, I heard team
09:26:19 mentioned in here three times this morning.
09:26:20 You just started at 9:00 in this session.
09:26:22 It is truly a team effort.
09:26:24 And I want you to know that I have some of the best
09:26:27 team members anywhere in this world.
09:26:29 Tampa is very fortunate to have the fire rescue
09:26:31 service that they have, from its leadership on down.
09:26:36 Thank you very much.
09:26:36 (Applause).
09:26:40 >>ROSE FERLITA: Madam Chairman, thank you.
09:27:41 >>GWEN MILLER: At this time we are going to have a
09:27:42 presentation done by Mr. John Dingfelder.

09:28:32 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Okay.
09:28:34 Looks like it's going to be a great morning for
09:28:36 commending folks who serve the city so well.
09:28:39 Madam Chair, as chair of the Public Works Committee,
09:28:44 it's my honor and privilege, and also assignment to
09:28:52 honor folks who served the city and are moving and one
09:28:54 of those is mark Oural.
09:28:57 And I invited some of mark's supervisors and obviously
09:29:01 friends and co-workers and good friends to join us
09:29:03 here to join us hear for his retirement.
09:29:08 So I'll start with Steve and then over to Dave Tippin,
09:29:13 if Steve doesn't mind and they can say a few words.
09:29:17 >>>
09:29:19 >>STEVE DAIGNAULT: Thank you, sir.
09:29:20 Mark is going to be one of those guys that's very,
09:29:22 very hard to replace.
09:29:23 You have to bring in somebody who has been with the
09:29:26 city for a long time and knows how it operates, and
09:29:29 knows how the developers work.
09:29:31 He's one of those kind of behind-the-scenes unsung
09:29:34 heroes who again makes it all happen for the water
09:29:38 department.

09:29:39 There's going to be a lot of folks in the development
09:29:41 community who have worked with mark over the years who
09:29:44 are really sad to see him go because he's a guy that
09:29:47 made all those things come together for them.
09:29:51 Plus he's a nice guy to deal with. Anyway, we're
09:29:53 going to miss him dearly and glad he isn't going too
09:29:56 far and we can still call him up and pick his brain
09:30:01 from time to time.
09:30:06 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: We have Dave Tippin here, another
09:30:08 retiree and we had to drag him off the golf course or
09:30:13 fishing or whatever it is.
09:30:16 >>DAVE TIPPIN: Water department emeritus.
09:30:21 (Laughter).
09:30:21 Back in 1993, as usual, the water department is
09:30:27 expanding tremendously in our service area.
09:30:32 And we needed a chief engineer very desperately.
09:30:39 And I did a lot of searching around the country,
09:30:43 talking with friends, and lo and behold, we had a
09:30:47 fantastic engineer in our own backyard, went to the
09:30:52 University of South Florida, worked in several areas
09:30:56 around the bay area here.
09:31:01 And this is back in 1993.

09:31:07 I have to say -- and you will probably agree with me,
09:31:11 in your professional career, there are a few people
09:31:15 who would stand out for their professionalism, and
09:31:20 their expertise, and their leadership.
09:31:24 Mark is one of those.
09:31:27 And the city was fortunate to have him for that short
09:31:32 time that he was employed with the city as chief
09:31:36 engineer in the water department.
09:31:37 And mark and I spent many, many hours in very good,
09:31:44 deep discussions about a lot of technical issues.
09:31:48 We are still very good friends.
09:31:50 And, again, you're very lucky to have Mark here at the
09:31:57 city.
09:31:58 >>> Thank you, Dave, for those fantastic words.
09:32:01 All right.
09:32:04 I'm going to go ahead and make this commendation to
09:32:06 you on behalf of Tampa City Council.
09:32:07 Tampa City Council wishes to recognize you upon your
09:32:09 retirement for your many contributions you have made
09:32:11 to the city and its residents, since the start of your
09:32:14 employment with the Tampa water department in 1993 as
09:32:16 chief engineer, you have been responsible for all

09:32:18 planning and designing functions of the engineering
09:32:21 division.
09:32:23 Master's degree in civil engineering from the
09:32:25 University of South Florida, you are widely recognized
09:32:27 in your field for your expertise and you have been
09:32:29 active as a member of the American society of civil
09:32:32 engineers, American water works association, American
09:32:34 water row source association.
09:32:38 During your tenure, you have been overseeing the
09:32:40 architectural updating and restoration of the Dave
09:32:43 Tippin water treatment facility as well as playing a
09:32:47 vital role in the security modifications at that
09:32:49 location.
09:32:50 In addition you played a critical role in assessing
09:32:52 the city's emergency and hurricane preparedness needs,
09:32:55 which obviously is coming handy in the last couple of
09:32:59 years.
09:32:59 It's appropriate that Tampa City Council recognize you
09:33:01 for your many years of service to the City of Tampa
09:33:03 and its residents.
09:33:05 Your professional approach to your work and your
09:33:07 concern for your fellow employees have been a model

09:33:09 for all to follow.
09:33:10 City Council thanks you for your contributions and
09:33:12 wishes you well in the future.
09:33:14 Congratulations.
09:33:16 (Applause).
09:33:22 >>> Good morning, council.
09:33:23 Thank you very much.
09:33:26 It's very special.
09:33:29 One thing I shouldn't be recognized for is my speaking
09:33:32 prowess.
09:33:32 One of the -- and I'm overwhelmed by this.
09:33:37 Give me a second here.
09:33:42 For anybody that knows me, they know I don't
09:33:46 particularly care for the limelight.
09:33:48 Don't take these kind of recognitions very well.
09:33:51 So I guess the water system is out of sight, out of
09:33:59 mind but it's needed and it gets the job done.
09:34:02 So I guess I'm in good company with that.
09:34:06 What I'd like to do is really on a can-do attitude is
09:34:11 let now that my job is made a whole lot easier because
09:34:15 of the efforts of everyone that you see in this area
09:34:21 right here, people that you don't see that are still

09:34:23 at the water treatment plant, producing and making the
09:34:25 water quality that we need, and delivering the water
09:34:31 for distribution, in the distribution system.
09:34:34 Those are the unsung heroes as well that you never
09:34:36 see.
09:34:37 And that's what it takes 24 hours a day, seven days a
09:34:40 week, to make it available to everyone in the bay
09:34:44 area.
09:34:46 I'd like to acknowledge also the support that has been
09:34:49 given to me by my wife Alice.
09:34:55 (Applause).
09:34:56 She's been my rock and my steadying force.
09:35:01 My dad is here in the audience, and my son, and again
09:35:06 all of these co-workers, it's been my absolute
09:35:09 pleasure to work with them.
09:35:12 They have given me much needed help and support, and
09:35:18 they are really going to get the job and continue
09:35:22 doing that.
09:35:23 With that being said, it's been an absolute pleasure
09:35:26 serving the citizens of Tampa.
09:35:31 Thank you very much.
09:35:32 (Applause).

09:35:38 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Madam Chair, if I could, the next
09:35:44 commendation we have is for Dave
09:36:00 Ralph obviously wouldn't let the rest of the team come
09:36:02 over.
09:36:05 I'm going to defer to Ralph and Steve to say a few
09:36:09 words about Dave.
09:36:14 >>STEVE DAIGNAULT: Again, this is one of those people
09:36:20 that's very, very hard to replace.
09:36:22 You just don't find another Dave Picard floating
09:36:26 around somewhere.
09:36:30 No pun intended.
09:36:35 Dave runs a $350 million plus advance water treatment
09:36:39 plant on a daily basis, and while he's resting, he
09:36:43 keeps track of what legislation on wastewater and
09:36:47 other environmental issues are going on around the
09:36:49 country and the world.
09:36:50 He keeps us very well advised and informed.
09:36:54 And has kept us in good stead for a long time.
09:36:58 It's going to be another great loss for the city.
09:37:00 Sorry to see him go.
09:37:01 But we have really appreciated everything that he's
09:37:04 done for us.

09:37:12 >>RALPH METCALF: Wastewater department.
09:37:14 You've seen firemen of the quarter, Dave Picard has
09:37:18 been 35 years.
09:37:20 He has been the only plant manager of the wastewater
09:37:24 plant since we built it in 1979.
09:37:27 You could make a real good case, for he is the
09:37:29 wastewater employee of the quarter, but it's quarter
09:37:33 century.
09:37:35 This is a very different thing.
09:37:39 On a -- Dave is nationally known but also equally as
09:37:45 important is for 26 years, none of us had ever had to
09:37:50 worry about that plant.
09:37:55 24 hours a day, Dave would be out there at two in the
09:37:58 morning, 26 years as the manager of that plant.
09:38:01 I've handed you a little communicator, a newsletter,
09:38:07 very well done, Dave wrote on the front saying thank
09:38:10 you to the folks.
09:38:11 In there, there is an amazing statistic, since that
09:38:14 plant was built they have treated 546 billion-gallons
09:38:22 of wastewater, and they have stopped two billion
09:38:27 pounds of solid pollutants from going into the bay.
09:38:31 That's one million ton that is would have gone into

09:38:35 the bay.
09:38:36 And there's in a regulator, no environmental group
09:38:40 that can say they have done that, they have physically
09:38:42 done it for 24 hours a day, seven days a week, and
09:38:46 it's something that none of us have to think about.
09:38:49 I think about it maybe a little more than you guys.
09:38:51 But with Dave there you knew it was going to be done
09:38:54 right.
09:38:54 And I just cannot tell you how important that is.
09:38:57 It's one of those things that nobody really notices
09:39:00 until it goes wrong.
09:39:01 It hasn't gone wrong.
09:39:02 And Dave has been absolute integrity.
09:39:09 We are not going to find another guy like this.
09:39:12 Dave is still going to do some occasional help for us
09:39:19 on the national stage in terms of the legislation and
09:39:21 things that he is really -- very few times a year
09:39:26 we'll be looking at Dave as far as the end of the
09:39:28 future on those kind of things.
09:39:31 But we are not going to replace him.
09:39:33 It won't be done.
09:39:34 And I think the city owes him a huge debt of

09:39:37 gratitude.
09:39:39 (Applause).
09:40:06 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: It is my pleasure and honor to
09:40:08 present with you this commendation.
09:40:09 Tampa City Council is pleased to recognize Dave W.
09:40:12 Picard for his outstanding contribution to the City of
09:40:14 Tampa.
09:40:16 Dave, you have been a valued employee of the city for
09:40:18 over 35 years during which time you served the city.
09:40:22 You first joined city government in 1971.
09:40:24 This is embarrassing.
09:40:26 Coming on board as a $2.60 per hour employee at the
09:40:30 wastewater treatment plant.
09:40:37 It wasn't long before you were running the operation.
09:40:39 In 1979 you assumed responsibility for the total
09:40:42 operation of the new plant serving in that capacity
09:40:45 for the next 26 years.
09:40:47 During that time the plant received numerous awards
09:40:49 for efficient functioning.
09:40:52 I took a little tour out there, I guess two or three
09:40:54 years ago my first time on council with you guys and I
09:40:58 was so impressed not only with the operation of the

09:41:00 plant, which I really didn't understand too well, but
09:41:02 more importantly with the attitude of the employees,
09:41:05 and that stems from the top, from you and Ralph and
09:41:07 how you treat your people and it comes back at you and
09:41:10 all that.
09:41:10 So we appreciate that so much.
09:41:13 You have been recognized for your work.
09:41:14 You have been called upon to serve on numerous state,
09:41:16 national boards and organizations.
09:41:20 It reveals the enormous amount of effort you and your
09:41:23 staff put forth over the year, over 546 billion
09:41:26 gallons of wastewater have come through your plant, 2
09:41:32 billion pounds of pollutants have been treated during
09:41:35 your tenure.
09:41:37 And I can speak to that.
09:41:38 Because as a child, I saw the bay going downhill from
09:41:46 the 50s and 60s into the 70s when you really
09:41:49 couldn't catch many fish and didn't really want to be
09:41:51 around the bay.
09:41:53 Now in the 90s and 2000 the bay has really turned
09:41:56 around and we have a great deal of thanks for that to
09:41:59 you and your staff.

09:42:01 In managing the most costly facility the city operates
09:42:04 David directed, tame mentoring the employees.
09:42:11 Therefore it's fitting and proper that City Council
09:42:13 commend you on your many contributions for the City of
09:42:15 Tampa.
09:42:16 We wish you well in all your future endeavors.
09:42:19 (Applause).
09:42:25 >>> Well, thank you very much.
09:42:26 I have only been here a couple times over the years
09:42:31 but we have a great bunch of folks at the wastewater
09:42:34 plant.
09:42:35 And a lot of them have well over 20 years of service.
09:42:41 When people get there, they stay.
09:42:43 We have very low turnover and they are a great bunch
09:42:46 of people doing a great job.
09:42:47 And I'd like to commend them, because they are the
09:42:50 ones that really need to be here and not me.
09:42:54 I just kind of pull it all together.
09:42:57 Ralph has been very supportive.
09:42:58 Steve has been.
09:43:01 And it's just been a good ride.
09:43:03 It's been a good place to work.

09:43:06 Not many people can say that about where they work, or
09:43:11 say they worked one place for 35 years and it's been
09:43:13 good.
09:43:14 Thank you very much.
09:43:15 (Applause).
09:43:21 >>GWEN MILLER: We now have another presentation by
09:43:23 Mrs. Linda Saul-Sena.
09:43:52 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: This has to be one of the City
09:43:58 Council's liveliest mornings.
09:44:11 Good morning.
09:44:11 It is my pleasure this morning to give an award to,
09:44:23 Italian a, in 1894, over 100 years ago.
09:44:29 For more than a century, Tampa's Italian club has been
09:44:33 providing education, health care and financial help to
09:44:36 its family.
09:44:37 The Italian club which enriches the cultural life of
09:44:46 our city.
09:44:47 Another wonderful example this weekend when the
09:44:49 Italian club has its 9th annual cheese festival.
09:44:52 The Tampa City Council recognizes the efforts put
09:44:55 forth in planning such event and extends our best
09:44:59 wishes for a successful weekend.

09:45:05 >>> Sal Guagliardo, president of the Italian club.
09:45:11 I am grateful to receive this acclamation from the
09:45:14 city for assistance in the restoration and
09:45:16 preservation and efforts over the years.
09:45:19 Italiana is the primary fund-raiser that celebrates a
09:45:24 rich heritage culture and to the traditions of our
09:45:27 community.
09:45:28 This year's event takes place Sunday, April 9th,
09:45:31 from 11:30 to 6:30, at Centennial Park, and promises
09:45:37 plenty of food, culture and fun for the whole family.
09:45:42 Again we want to thank you for this accommodation,
09:45:45 hope everyone comes out for the experience, and a
09:45:48 taste of Italy right here in Ybor City.
09:45:51 Joining me this morning, DARIO done Ellie from Tampa
09:45:59 sister city, here to say a few words.
09:46:04 >>> Thank you.
09:46:11 Thank you to the sister city.
09:46:14 Because they give us the opportunity to join, for them
09:46:24 many, many people from Italy here.
09:46:27 And we have a present from the mayor, for the City of
09:46:33 Tampa.
09:46:36 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Thank you.

09:46:37 (Applause).
09:46:38 And I want to also announce that Friday at noon is the
09:46:45 first annual Italian heritage festival at the park
09:46:50 across from the county center downtown.
09:46:52 Tampa is an interesting city because of the multiple
09:46:55 cultures here, and of all the cultures, the Italians
09:46:59 are probably one of the most delicious and we welcome
09:47:02 you.
09:47:04 >>ROSE FERLITA: Ms. Saul-Sena, thank you for that
09:47:10 intro, and Sal, just one suggestion.
09:47:18 I'm sure it would go a long ways in terms of
09:47:20 cooperation, that somebody behind the dancers that are
09:47:23 not in costume, and wouldn't it be a wonderful thing
09:47:26 to get into costume and dance with the dancers?
09:47:34 >> I thought you were talking about Joe Capitano.
09:47:40 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Linda, do you have --
09:47:54 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Thank you so much.
09:47:58 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Thank you for coming.
09:48:00 (Applause).
09:48:01 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Madam Chair, I don't know if Mrs.
09:48:03 Saul-Sena mentioned it but on Sunday, also, is Lou
09:48:07 Christy and the Shangri-las.

09:48:09 Might be a little before my time.
09:48:11 But Lou Christy and the Shangri-las will be out there
09:48:14 on Sunday.
09:48:22 >>GWEN MILLER: At this time we need a motion to move
09:48:24 the public comments before approval of the agenda and
09:48:28 committee reports.
09:48:29 >> So moved.
09:48:29 >> Second.
09:48:29 (Motion carried).
09:48:30 >>GWEN MILLER: Are there any items on the agenda to be
09:48:32 removed or pulled?
09:48:33 Okay.
09:48:37 We go to our department heads.
09:48:41 We have Julia Coles.
09:48:48 >>JULIA COLE: Julia Cole, legal department.
09:48:55 I want to update you on the facade designation that
09:49:00 occurred recently.
09:49:01 I provided council with a copy of 7051 request for
09:49:03 relief which was filed by Jason, Incorporated,
09:49:03 regarding the Woolworth's and Newberry facade. This
09:49:16 is a procedure pursuant to Florida statutes that
09:49:18 allows the parties to a land use proceed to mediate,

09:49:20 the land use proceeds prior to any litigation. At
09:49:27 this point in time, pursuant to statute, We have
09:49:28 chosen Mark Bentley as our special master in this
09:49:30 matter and the city is responsible to respond by April
09:49:35 13th, 2006, for an extension of time. I just
09:49:38 wanted to bring this to your attention and see if
09:49:40 there were any questions about anything.
09:49:41 >>GWEN MILLER: Any questions?
09:49:43 Mr. Dingfelder?
09:49:44 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: The mediation process, in the civil
09:49:51 context, usually you have to bring your client, and
09:49:56 your client is there to make decisions for you.
09:49:59 And can you explain a little bit of how that would
09:50:01 work in regard to -- in regard to this particular
09:50:06 process?
09:50:07 Who is your client?
09:50:09 Who is going to be making decisions at the mediation?
09:50:12 >>JULIA COLE: Much like civil mediation, there's a
09:50:19 provision in the statute recognizing it's a
09:50:21 governmental entity that's a party to this, to bring
09:50:23 somebody to this mediation process that has the
09:50:25 authority to recommend any potential settlement to

09:50:29 this body.
09:50:29 And I should have mentioned it and I'm sorry that I
09:50:31 didn't.
09:50:32 But any settlement that may come out of this mediation
09:50:35 process would be required to come back to council for
09:50:37 approval with a noticed public hearing.
09:50:42 >> So any settlement would just be a proposed
09:50:44 settlement and go through the process?
09:50:46 >>> That's correct.
09:50:46 >> I think that's important for the public to know.
09:50:48 The public feels strongly about these issues and we
09:50:52 don't want to run into any glitches along the way.
09:50:54 >>JULIA COLE: And I apologize.
09:50:58 Thank you.
09:51:00 >>SHAWN HARRISON: I may have missed this.
09:51:01 But when will this mediation take place?
09:51:04 >>> We are in the process of scheduling for this.
09:51:07 Under the statute there is a requirement that it is
09:51:09 held within a 45-day time frame.
09:51:14 We are still in the process of scheduling it.
09:51:16 However, there is also a provision in the statute for
09:51:18 public notification of this mediation.

09:51:21 It is something that is open to the public, unlike a
09:51:25 court-style mediation and there is a notice
09:51:27 requirement within the statute prior to holding the
09:51:30 hearing.
09:51:32 >> And Mr. Bentley will be mediator?
09:51:34 >>> What we call a special master because the special
09:51:36 master really does serve two roles, first as a
09:51:40 mediator and second to make a determination as to
09:51:44 whether or not the action of local government has
09:51:47 unfairly burdened the real property and then make a
09:51:50 recommendation back to you. But typically what
09:51:52 happens is you go through a mediation process and
09:51:55 that's something you go to a place where there is
09:51:57 something to recommend, we will bring that back to
09:51:59 you.
09:51:59 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: One other thing if I could, and I
09:52:04 apologize.
09:52:05 I have full faith in Mr. Bentley's professionalism and
09:52:09 I have no problem with him being the master for this.
09:52:11 And obviously this is a pretty rare occurrence, the
09:52:15 few years I have been on council I don't think it's
09:52:17 happened before.

09:52:17 But I would just say in the future, it would be better
09:52:20 to select a master from outside of Hillsborough
09:52:25 County.
09:52:30 Just to avoid any appearances or notion that this
09:52:34 person might be this way or that way.
09:52:36 Because as we know Mr. Bentley comes in front of us on
09:52:39 behalf of clients for land use issues.
09:52:42 So I would just suggest that next time we go across
09:52:45 the bay or somewhere else in the region and find
09:52:48 somebody.
09:52:49 And that's all I'm going to say.
09:52:52 I don't really need to respond but just a suggestion.
09:52:55 >>JULIA COLE: If I could just say one thing on that.
09:52:58 The way the statute is set up is the time frames are
09:53:01 incredibly tight, ten days to select once you get
09:53:04 there.
09:53:04 So that does cause you to have to kind of scurry to
09:53:07 find someone.
09:53:08 And Mr. Bentley has, when I was at the Hillsborough
09:53:11 County attorney's office.
09:53:15 >>SHAWN HARRISON: I would just say that Mr.
09:53:17 Dingfelder's opinion on that may not be shared by the

09:53:19 other lawyers on the City Council.
09:53:23 And I think it's a good idea to use someone locally
09:53:26 who has knowledge of what's happening on a project.
09:53:32 >>GWEN MILLER: Other questions by council members?
09:53:35 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I apologize.
09:53:37 I was out of the room.
09:53:40 Which number?
09:53:42 >>GWEN MILLER: Information.
09:53:48 >>JULIA COLE: I sent you a memo regarding this, and I
09:53:53 just wanted to update you and answer any questions.
09:54:01 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: And we are having Mr. Bentley
09:54:03 represent the city?
09:54:04 >>SHAWN HARRISON: No, he's the mediator.
09:54:06 >>JULIA COLE: A special master in this matter.
09:54:11 And Mr. Bentley has served in this capacity as a
09:54:14 special master under this particular process before.
09:54:17 And the statute does require some knowledge of this
09:54:20 process, in 7051 as well, as well as a land use, so he
09:54:26 is person that has acted in this capacity in the past.
09:54:29 I think both for the city before I got here and at
09:54:32 Hillsborough County he's done it as well.
09:54:35 >>GWEN MILLER: Thank you.

09:54:36 >>ROSE FERLITA: I didn't want to weigh in on that
09:54:40 because I thought the selection process was fine but
09:54:46 Ms. Cole continued to explain why.
09:54:48 And I don't think that we should fault him because
09:54:53 he's a local resident.
09:55:00 I think he can have impartiality.
09:55:03 >>GWEN MILLER: Thank you.
09:55:17 >>> This is a resolution for agreement between the
09:55:19 City of Tampa for the solid waste consulting services
09:55:24 not to exceed $120,000 for use by the solid waste
09:55:28 department authorizing the mayor to execute said
09:55:30 agreement.
09:55:31 And this relates to the grant that we received, which
09:55:36 you all approved last week, for $200,000 to do large
09:55:40 venue and large facility recycling.
09:55:44 >>MARTIN SHELBY: This is number 24 on the docket.
09:55:47 >>GWEN MILLER: Any questions by council members?
09:55:51 Thank you.
09:55:52 Ms. Saul-Sena?
09:55:53 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I wanted to congratulate your
09:55:55 recycling area for getting the grant.
09:55:58 I think that's excellent.

09:55:59 And I look forward to seeing great things.
09:56:04 >>> This is a wonderful consulting company, they have
09:56:07 done a lot of work in this area, and they are local.
09:56:09 >>GWEN MILLER: Mr. Dingfelder?
09:56:12 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I just wanted to commend you on
09:56:15 your efforts in the whole recycling.
09:56:18 How many years have you been doing this?
09:56:21 >>> Barbara Heineken: Going on 17.
09:56:26 >> That's wonderful.
09:56:27 Recycling is so important to the community and our
09:56:30 nation, and you have kept at it and we appreciate all
09:56:33 your efforts.
09:56:35 >>> We appreciate that.
09:56:36 This is a great opportunity to tell you that I hired a
09:56:40 new recycling coordinator, a person that's been there
09:56:45 for five years doing water conservation education, so
09:56:48 now she's come over starting this week, recycling
09:56:51 coordinator.
09:56:52 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I also want to commend Mr. McCary
09:56:56 because in speaking with him he is a big supporter --
09:57:02 of recycling and it's good to have him have your back.
09:57:07 >>> Thank you, sir.

09:57:07 >>ROSE FERLITA: Not that you're thinking about this
09:57:11 but when you talk about your years of service I want
09:57:13 you to know that we have fleeted our -- depleted our
09:57:18 source of retirement now.
09:57:22 (Laughter).
09:57:23 >>> Okay.
09:57:24 Unfortunately.
09:57:27 We have another grant, another $200,000 grant which is
09:57:32 looking good and I think I have to bring that before
09:57:35 you to approve that we have applied for it.
09:57:39 So you will be seeing that again.
09:57:40 Thank you.
09:57:42 >>GWEN MILLER: At this time we need a motion to
09:57:43 approve the agenda.
09:57:44 >>ROSE FERLITA: So moved.
09:57:45 >> Second.
09:57:46 (Motion carried)
09:57:48 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Thank you.
09:57:52 Can we -- do we get the audience to speak first?
09:57:57 >>GWEN MILLER: That will come later.
09:57:58 Okay.
09:57:58 Mr. Steve Michelini, would you like to come up now?

09:58:01 >>STEVE MICHELINI: I sent an e-mail to you, the chair,
09:58:15 and I have been working with the clerk's office and
09:58:16 the zoning office regarding three hearings that were
09:58:19 set for May 11th.
09:58:22 In the morning hearing.
09:58:23 And I'm asking that that be moved to the 18th,
09:58:28 moved back one week.
09:58:29 And that's an appeal hearing on 5151 San Jose, VRB
09:58:36 05-151.
09:58:37 Currently scheduled for May 11th at 10 a.m.
09:58:41 I'm asking that that be moved to May 15th -- I'm
09:58:44 sorry, May 18 T at 10 a.m.
09:58:47 That's the first one.
09:58:48 And the other two are night hearings.
09:58:50 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: One at a time, if you are looking
09:58:56 for a motion.
09:58:57 >>THE CLERK: On that Thursday, two weeks to reconsider
09:59:03 your action from last week and then set the public
09:59:05 hearing.
09:59:05 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I move to reconsider.
09:59:07 >>GWEN MILLER: Motion and second to reconsider.
09:59:08 [Motion Carried Unanimously]

09:59:10 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I move to reset it to the date Mr.
09:59:12 Michelini suggested.
09:59:14 And is there any new notice for that?
09:59:18 >>STEVE MICHELINI: The notices have not gone out yet.
09:59:21 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Any staff objection?
09:59:24 >>THE CLERK: This is an appeal hearing.
09:59:26 >>GWEN MILLER: Motion and second.
09:59:28 [Motion Carried Unanimously]
09:59:30 >>STEVE MICHELINI: Next is Z 06-46, west union street,
09:59:34 that's set currently for the same day, the 11th of
09:59:38 May at 6 p.m.
09:59:40 I talked to staff about moving that to June the
09:59:43 8th at 6 p.m.
09:59:47 It would be another night meeting as usual.
09:59:49 And apparently there's one slot, one regular slot
09:59:53 open.
09:59:55 I guess between the time I talked to staff yesterday
09:59:58 and this morning, there have been some changes.
10:00:00 So in order to move both of them, you would have to
10:00:02 waive your rules and allow the second one that I
10:00:06 haven't talked to you about yet to take up one of your
10:00:10 continuance slots.

10:00:12 But the first one there's room for, V 06-46-2902.
10:00:18 It got moved to June 8th at 6 p.m.
10:00:20 >>GWEN MILLER: Motion and second to reconsider.
10:00:28 [Motion Carried Unanimously]
10:00:32 THE CLERK: You need to waive your rules.
10:00:35 >> Second.
10:00:36 (Motion carried).
10:00:38 >>THE CLERK: Now move the public hearing.
10:00:40 >>STEVE MICHELINI: The third one --
10:00:42 >>GWEN MILLER: Wait.
10:00:44 >> So moved.
10:00:44 >> Second.
10:00:45 (Motion carried).
10:00:47 >>STEVE MICHELINI: The third one you currently do not
10:00:49 have a regular slot.
10:00:50 You have a continued hearing slot available.
10:00:53 And that's V 06-47, 1600 west Kennedy.
10:00:57 Again, moving that from the 11th to June the
10:01:01 8th at 6 p.m.
10:01:05 Originally, we talked to staff about the availability,
10:01:07 and I guess apparently the only slots left are the
10:01:10 continuation slots, and not the regular slot.

10:01:15 >>GWEN MILLER: So waive the rules on that?
10:01:21 >> Moved.
10:01:21 >> Second.
10:01:22 (Motion carried).
10:01:25 >>ROSE FERLITA: Move to waive the rules.
10:01:27 >>GWEN MILLER: Second?
10:01:29 >> Second.
10:01:29 >>GWEN MILLER: We have a motion and second.
10:04:30 They do not want this project slowed down.
10:04:32 In any way shape or form.
10:04:57 Keep in mind I have studied this in depth and I do
10:05:00 know what I am talking about.
10:05:17 I cannot tolerate a government that lies to me that
10:05:20 seeks to rule by intimidation, fear, and neither
10:05:23 should you.
10:05:24 It is intolerable to seek revenge on citizens who only
10:05:26 seek to improve their neighborhood with enhancements.
10:05:30 For instance, it states there will be a burden on
10:05:33 homeowners because of the transmission to under ground

10:05:36 utilities.
10:05:36 First of all this has nothing to do with the
10:05:38 $5.5 million quote and secondly there will be very few
10:05:42 residences left on 40th Street after all the
10:05:45 right-of-way is acquired.
10:05:47 This is another tactic, another ploy.
10:05:50 More doom and gloom.
10:05:51 It is sad indeed how the administration and TECO are
10:05:55 trying to cast the neighborhood in the bad guy role
10:05:58 trying to blame us for slowing down the project.
10:06:00 And I want to show one of you -- one other thing if
10:06:07 the e-mail is on.
10:06:08 This is the 40th Street bridge.
10:06:11 Part of the report says that the cost estimate is
10:06:13 based on the utilities that will go across the bridge,
10:06:17 and for an engineer study.
10:06:20 There are no utilities on the 40th Street bridge.
10:06:23 There are two street lights.
10:06:24 One feeder line comes from the north.
10:06:26 One comes from the south.
10:06:28 They don't connect.
10:06:29 There are no utilities on the 40th Street bridge.

10:06:32 How can we trust a report that lies to us about one
10:06:37 segment of it?
10:06:39 I find it just very alarming and I think the
10:06:43 administration should be ashamed of itself.
10:06:45 >>GWEN MILLER: Thank you, Mr. Neal.
10:06:48 Next.
10:06:49 >>KEVIN WHITE: I want you to know our light is not
10:06:53 like the county, doesn't give you a minute warning.
10:06:56 >>> 30 seconds, isn't it?
10:07:00 >>> I thought you changed it.
10:07:02 It was 30 seconds before.
10:07:07 I was short the last time.
10:07:09 >>KEVIN WHITE: get a credit.
10:07:12 (Laughter).
10:07:13 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I like the one-man play.
10:07:15 Now you're playing multiple roles when you get up
10:07:18 there.
10:07:20 >>MOSES KNOTT, JR.: I reside at 2902 East Ellicott
10:07:30 street three nights a week.
10:07:31 Then I just thank God for his grace and his mercy.
10:07:36 And I say that.
10:07:39 I believe in God's grace and mercy so much.

10:07:44 Always believe.
10:07:45 I want everybody to take a chalk marker believe, first
10:07:50 thing in God, believe and love.
10:07:53 The two biggest words in the Bible.
10:07:56 And I want to talk on article 4.
10:08:03 He brought it up.
10:08:04 But I want to talk about the mayor part.
10:08:07 You know, I said all of the poor black people voted
10:08:13 for the mayor because she a good old girl.
10:08:15 I want to take that back.
10:08:16 That lady is great.
10:08:17 And the first thing they say, I want to build
10:08:23 apartment downtown.
10:08:27 All that has to do with is the nature.
10:08:30 But I look at those apartments downtown right now.
10:08:33 Back to this bridge.
10:08:36 After she got elected she come to this podium and said
10:08:38 she's going to make 40th Street priority over
10:08:42 anything.
10:08:44 And I said, how is she going to do that, and people
10:08:48 over there been complaining.
10:08:49 I think about 20 black people got killed on that

10:08:53 bridge over there.
10:08:54 That's a suicide coming down there, you know.
10:08:56 And, I mean, that was a dangerous thing in town.
10:09:00 Public and safety, but that was a dangerous place in
10:09:04 this town, always talk about 40th Street and the
10:09:07 bridge.
10:09:09 A lot of people got killed but didn't say nothing
10:09:12 about it.
10:09:13 But I just want to say, though, that the mayor is
10:09:17 doing a great job.
10:09:18 And I love her.
10:09:21 But I don't trust her.
10:09:25 You know, while I'm speaking on that trust thing, a
10:09:28 lot of people know something about that.
10:09:30 But Mr. White, you got people all over town that say,
10:09:37 I don't like you.
10:09:38 Man, I love you, but everybody know how I feel about
10:09:40 politicians.
10:09:41 I don't trust none of them.
10:09:43 In fact, you being a politician, and police and the
10:09:47 sheriff, and black people, police don't have no good
10:09:51 communication.

10:09:52 Thank you.
10:09:52 >>GWEN MILLER: Thank you.
10:09:53 Would anyone else lick to speak?
10:10:01 >>> Joe Robinson here as a resident and also the vice
10:10:04 chair of Swiftmud and basin board here to speak on
10:10:08 item 19, 20 and 25.
10:10:10 On item 19 it is a change out of number 2 for 250,000
10:10:15 for environmental issues for the College Hill
10:10:19 community center.
10:10:20 I want to note that the backup information for that
10:10:22 item is erroneous.
10:10:25 And it says change, this is going to James Jackson and
10:10:29 David Vaughan, the change order says change order
10:10:32 number 1, says change order number 2 on the agenda,
10:10:35 but the backup says change order number 1, and it says
10:10:38 that the cross coverage appeared for November 2005 to
10:10:42 March 2005.
10:10:44 So they need to get their act together and be a lot
10:10:48 more active because this is a legal document.
10:10:51 And I think City Council should get that corrected
10:10:53 before they go forward with it.
10:10:56 Moving to two items that are dear to my heart that are

10:11:00 something that I started pushing for back in 2001 when
10:11:04 I was appointed by the governor, hills Hillsborough
10:11:09 basin board, SWFWMD, is to bring more dollars for
10:11:12 stormwater improvements to the City of Tampa.
10:11:15 I'm here today to say I'm glad to note that the Lake
10:11:19 Kipling, Sunset Park, Seminole Heights and lake Edna
10:11:27 and Wellswood will have the potential need for water
10:11:31 quality to be studied and started at the City of Tampa
10:11:35 and I believe our basin board is providing $108,000,
10:11:39 something that is to get this moving.
10:11:43 The second item is item -- third item, I guess, is
10:11:46 item number 25, which deals with one of the longest
10:11:49 standing issues in the City of Tampa's, stormwater,
10:11:53 and I challenge the city staff back in 2001 to come
10:11:57 forward with something that makes sense.
10:11:59 This is a $20 million deal.
10:12:03 Our basin board, at 1:30 today, may or may not approve
10:12:08 $1.8 million to kick this and get this moving.
10:12:15 This year 2007.
10:12:17 So I'm saying that there needs to be African-American
10:12:19 and minority business participation on item number 25,
10:12:24 giving $1.4 million to affirm out of California,

10:12:29 Burlington NARY, the city has a requirement in their
10:12:32 contract for minority business.
10:12:33 I'm talking African-American, professional engineers,
10:12:37 not myself, need to be considered, and asking for
10:12:44 $1.8 million, I would be asking for city staff if they
10:12:47 show up what is their plan and what is their plan with
10:12:51 this 1.4 million and this 1.8 million in addition to
10:12:55 another 1.4 million with a total of 3.4 million that I
10:12:58 am going to be sitting there making a decision on
10:13:00 whether or not we go forward.
10:13:01 So I'm here to say, we need to go forward with this on
10:13:05 Dale Mabry, Henderson project, 20 million.
10:13:08 It's here.
10:13:13 It's let's he is -- less than three hours away.
10:13:17 I want to make sure that stormwater is done properly.
10:13:20 I want to make sure that African-American contractors
10:13:23 and professionals have a fair shake at getting some of
10:13:26 this work, for 1.4 million to start some design of
10:13:32 Kennedy and Henderson Boulevard.
10:13:34 Thank you.
10:13:34 >>GWEN MILLER: Would anyone else like to speak?
10:13:39 >>KEVIN WHITE: Thank you for your work on switched --

10:13:41 Swiftmud.
10:13:42 I'm vice chair of the parks and recreation committee.
10:13:45 I was looking at the item you were talking about
10:13:47 number 19.
10:13:50 Mrs. Alvarez has unfortunately gone to the hospital
10:13:51 for a family emergency.
10:13:53 But I was a little unclear, and maybe you were
10:13:57 speaking from legal issues.
10:14:01 I see the city attorney in the back.
10:14:03 I didn't quite understand what you're talking about.
10:14:05 I was trying to -- I'm the vice chair on that
10:14:09 committee.
10:14:15 >>> The Elmo --
10:14:16 >>GWEN MILLER: It's on.
10:14:17 >>> Okay.
10:14:23 You see here it says change order number one?
10:14:27 Change order number two.
10:14:28 You here where it says November 2005 to March 2005?
10:14:33 Doesn't make any sense.
10:14:34 It's probably 2006.
10:14:36 So the change order should be accurate, reflecting the
10:14:38 time of the money and the change order number.

10:14:44 That's maybe a scrivener's error.
10:14:45 But --
10:14:49 >>KEVIN WHITE: We'll ask the city attorney in the
10:14:50 back.
10:14:51 Mr. Smith, if it is correct, the item, I guess the
10:14:56 backup on the doc agenda, should we pull that to
10:14:59 correct that?
10:15:00 Or are we correct in that?
10:15:04 >>DAVID SMITH: City attorney.
10:15:08 Unfortunately, Mr. White, I don't know very much about
10:15:10 this particular problem.
10:15:12 I'll be happy to look at it and feigned out and come
10:15:14 back to you later with those answers.
10:15:16 I have not been involved in the history of it.
10:15:18 >>KEVIN WHITE: Since Mrs. Alvarez isn't here, I'm vice
10:15:24 chair, should I suggest we pull that item for a week?
10:15:28 >>DAVID SMITH: If you like or I can come back to you
10:15:31 for the afternoon session.
10:15:32 >>GWEN MILLER: It might be after lunch because we
10:15:40 don't have a night session.
10:15:41 >>DAVID SMITH: I'm sorry, I meant after lunch.
10:15:47 >>GWEN MILLER: At the end of our meeting.

10:15:49 >>KEVIN WHITE: What I'll do is make a motion to hold
10:15:52 that till our last item on the agenda.
10:15:54 >>DAVID SMITH: I'll get back to you on that.
10:15:56 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Mr. Smith, since you are kind of
10:15:59 near the podium, Mr. Robinson referred to making sure
10:16:02 that there's minority participation in a contract.
10:16:05 But when we have minority participation, minorities
10:16:14 are in that category?
10:16:20 >>DAVID SMITH: We have a process you are probably
10:16:21 familiar with, women and minority owned enterprises
10:16:25 and contracts, when they are provided, our goals are
10:16:28 frequently set.
10:16:29 And the goals will address participation with specific
10:16:35 groups of individuals.
10:16:36 So there is an effort to get a diverse representation
10:16:40 in our contracts but we do not have an absolute
10:16:44 obligation or quota.
10:16:46 It is goals that are set.
10:16:47 There's an effort to meet those goals.
10:16:50 And people are reviewed based on the efficiency of
10:16:54 their effort.
10:16:54 That effort has to be real.

10:16:56 And it needs to generally result from accomplishment
10:16:59 of meeting those goals.
10:17:00 And you have to provide information that establishes
10:17:03 why you're unable to meet those goals.
10:17:05 Because in certain professions there may not be enough
10:17:08 people that have that kind of expertise or
10:17:11 specialization in our area.
10:17:13 So there's a variety of factors that go into it but,
10:17:16 yes, that process is very much part of our contracting
10:17:19 process.
10:17:19 >>GWEN MILLER: Thank you.
10:17:20 Would anyone else like to speak?
10:17:22 We go to our committee reports.
10:17:28 Public safety, vice chair Mr. John Dingfelder.
10:17:33 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Okay.
10:17:36 Move items 10 through 12.
10:17:42 >> Second.
10:17:42 (Motion carried).
10:17:42 >>GWEN MILLER: Parks, recreation, vice chair Mr. Kevin
10:17:45 White.
10:17:46 >>KEVIN WHITE: I would like to move 13 through 18 and
10:17:49 hold 19 till the end of the agenda.

10:17:52 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Actually it was 18 I wanted to
10:17:55 check.
10:17:55 >>KEVIN WHITE: Sorry.
10:17:59 Hold 18 and 19.
10:18:02 (Motion carried).
10:18:03 >>GWEN MILLER: Public works, John Dingfelder.
10:18:04 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I'll move items 20 through 28.
10:18:08 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Second.
10:18:12 (Motion carried).
10:18:14 >>CHAIRMAN: Finance Committee, Mr. Kevin White.
10:18:16 >>KEVIN WHITE: I'd like to move item 29 through 40.
10:18:26 >>THE CLERK: 33 and --
10:18:29 >>KEVIN WHITE: 32.
10:18:31 >>GWEN MILLER: All in favor say Aye.
10:18:32 (Motion carried).
10:18:36 >>KEVIN WHITE: 32, like to move the resolution.
10:18:39 >>GWEN MILLER: 33 read it.
10:18:41 You have to read it.
10:18:42 >>KEVIN WHITE: Move an ordinance with the City of
10:18:46 Tampa pertaining to the amendment section 2-233 of the
10:18:50 City of Tampa code to revise the authority of the City
10:18:53 of Tampa and-or his designee and the risk manager

10:18:58 and-or his designee to dispose of claims against the
10:19:02 city, providing for repeal of all ordinances in
10:19:06 conflict, providing an effective date.
10:19:08 >> Second.
10:19:08 >>KEVIN WHITE: I didn't know if you were familiar with
10:19:11 this and this is one we are giving legal staff the
10:19:13 authority to take -- to authorize settlement from
10:19:21 10,000 to $25,000 without having to come before
10:19:23 council.
10:19:27 And I spoke with somebody on --
10:19:31 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: And I spoke with somebody on your
10:19:33 staff, Mr. Smith, and I haven't had a chance to
10:19:38 actually look at the text of the ordinance.
10:19:40 Did you all modify?
10:19:45 >> We have some language just for the council's
10:19:47 benefit, the comment that Mr. Dingfelder made was it
10:19:49 would be a good idea for to us include in the
10:19:51 ordinance the requirement that we come back and
10:19:54 provide you quarterly reports with regard to those
10:19:58 amounts between 10,000 and 25,000.
10:20:01 We have that amendment here.
10:20:03 What we generally try to do and one of you contact us,

10:20:06 we generally take that seriously and we do respond to
10:20:10 that.
10:20:10 But obviously it takes at least four of you to approve
10:20:13 that.
10:20:13 We don't have a problem with that change to the
10:20:15 ordinance or we don't have a problem with indicating,
10:20:18 we will provide information, and either way it's fine
10:20:21 with us.
10:20:22 >> We will provide you the information.
10:20:23 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I think the suggestion that I made
10:20:25 is pretty obvious, if we are going to delegate --
10:20:38 (static) maybe my mike.
10:20:42 If we are going to delegate I think it's not big
10:20:45 burden for staff to give us a quarterly report on
10:20:47 those items that fall in that area of delegation.
10:20:52 >>KEVIN WHITE: If you could for the listening public,
10:20:54 could you tell us why you felt the need to go to the
10:21:01 25 limit?
10:21:03 >>> Yes.
10:21:03 Basically, we end up with a fair number of settlements
10:21:06 that are between 10 and 25, and we bring those to you,
10:21:12 and you have to approve everything over 10.

10:21:16 And also with the claims department.
10:21:19 And they are limited to 5.
10:21:21 So this changes them from 5 to 10 and changes us from
10:21:25 10 to 25.
10:21:30 Claims department I have found is very professional
10:21:33 and does a first rate job and they can get a lot of
10:21:35 matters settled between 5 and 10 that avoids the need
10:21:39 for our investment.
10:21:41 Very sound and very good for the city but they are
10:21:43 very limited.
10:21:44 We looked at some of the other jurisdictions and we
10:21:46 found out that they are generally around 25,000,
10:21:50 there's a few that have a slightly different process,
10:21:53 they have a settlement committee.
10:21:54 But we thought it would make sense since it hadn't
10:21:58 been changed for -- changed for 15 or 20 years, you
10:22:01 are almost up to $20,000.
10:22:03 What we did is brought a proposal to you for your
10:22:05 consideration that we think will lead to a more
10:22:08 efficient administration in the legal matters of the
10:22:11 city.
10:22:13 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I had a really excellent

10:22:16 conversation and I agree with raising it.
10:22:19 And I think John's proposal that you provide us a
10:22:20 quarterly report is an excellent suggestion.
10:22:23 And frankly given the inflation that's taken place
10:22:27 over the last 15 years since we last adjusted this, I
10:22:29 thought the 25 was a little modest, and you might
10:22:33 consider if we reexamine this in three years.
10:22:40 >>> Thank you. The only question is whether you want
10:22:42 it in the ordinance.
10:22:43 If you want an ordinance here's the revision that was
10:22:45 requested.
10:22:45 >>ROSE FERLITA: Mr. Smith, obviously, you make
10:23:01 decisions that are much greater, in fact, than
10:23:05 financially and I think it leads to a little more
10:23:11 efficiency instead of bogging down the agenda.
10:23:13 My question is depending on the form in which you are
10:23:16 going to, you're taking away the burden for the dollar
10:23:29 amount and then the burden of another report.
10:23:32 So what do you have in mind in terms of that report
10:23:34 that some of my colleagues are talking about?
10:23:37 >>DAVID SMITH: I would point out to you section 3 of
10:23:39 the revision just passed out to you, this is the

10:23:41 revision.
10:23:41 It says on a quarterly basis the risk manager of the
10:23:44 city, and or the city attorney, will furnish the City
10:23:46 Council with information identifying those claims
10:23:50 against the City of Tampa, which have been settled in
10:23:53 excess of $10,000 and not greater than $25,000.
10:23:57 >>ROSE FERLITA: Okay.
10:24:01 >>> We will want to provide you enough information so
10:24:03 it makes sense but not too much information so it will
10:24:05 be used against us by the claimant.
10:24:06 >>ROSE FERLITA: That makes sense.
10:24:08 Thank you.
10:24:10 >>KEVIN WHITE: Move an ordinance of the city of Tampa,
10:24:12 Florida pertaining to the amendment of section 2-233
10:24:15 the City of Tampa code to revise the authority of the
10:24:18 city attorney and or his designee and the risk manager
10:24:25 and or his designee to dispose of claims against the
10:24:29 city, providing for repeal of all ordinances,
10:24:32 providing an effective date.
10:24:33 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Second with a comment.
10:24:37 I just wanted to thank not only Mr. Smith but also Mr.
10:24:41 Giwertz.

10:24:42 You give us great briefings and I appreciate your
10:24:46 responsiveness in regard to preparing the amendment.
10:24:48 Thank you.
10:24:48 >>GWEN MILLER: Motion and second.
10:24:50 (Motion carried).
10:24:53 >>KEVIN WHITE: Move number 34, move an ordinance of
10:24:55 the city of Tampa, Florida pertaining to the amendment
10:24:58 of section 24-106 of the City of Tampa code relative
10:25:01 to the penalty for delinquent payment of business tax
10:25:04 he, providing for severability, repealing all
10:25:07 ordinances in conflict, providing an effective date.
10:25:10 >> Second.
10:25:11 (Motion carried)
10:25:19 >>KEVIN WHITE: Move 35 through 40.
10:25:25 >> Second.
10:25:25 (Motion carried).
10:25:25 >>CHAIRMAN: Building and zoning.
10:25:34 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Move 41 through 45.
10:25:38 >> Second.
10:25:39 (Motion carried).
10:25:39 >>CHAIRMAN: Transportation.
10:25:41 >>SHAWN HARRISON: I would like to move numbers 56

10:25:46 through 64, and 66 through 70.
10:25:57 That's an ordinance.
10:25:58 I'll read that.
10:25:59 >>GWEN MILLER: Question on the motion?
10:26:01 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Just in regard to item 59 I just
10:26:04 wanted to point out that the -- that this pertains to
10:26:08 $868,000, almost a million dollars, from the city to
10:26:13 assist the Department of Transportation on
10:26:15 improvements to Gandy Boulevard.
10:26:17 As well as the intersection of Manhattan.
10:26:19 A lot of places in South Tampa have been looking
10:26:22 forward to that.
10:26:23 My understanding from the D.O.T. that the Gandy
10:26:25 improvements should start by the end of the summer
10:26:27 beginning the fall, and we are very excited about
10:26:30 that.
10:26:31 We look forward to working with the D.O.T. and we
10:26:32 appreciate Mr. Harrison's leadership on the MPO in
10:26:36 regard to all these projects.
10:26:38 Thank you.
10:26:39 >>SHAWN HARRISON:
10:26:44 >>SHAWN HARRISON: I was going to say item 64 there's a

10:26:47 $5.9 million awarding of the Cross Creek widening
10:26:50 project and a project that has been eagerly awaited in
10:26:54 New Tampa for many, many years and I'm happy to see
10:26:56 that we have begun that project today.
10:26:58 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Great.
10:27:02 Congratulations.
10:27:02 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Number 61 is a really interesting
10:27:05 resolution because the historic hide hark park has had
10:27:13 tours to raise money and they are putting in
10:27:14 decorative posts and stop signs and street names, it's
10:27:18 taken them three years to raise the money, and the
10:27:20 city is cooperating with them in the installation, so
10:27:24 Hyde Park will look like its adjacent neighbor, Old
10:27:27 Hyde Park, and I think that this neighborhood
10:27:32 initiative to improve the appearance of the
10:27:36 neighborhood coupled with cooperation of the city is
10:27:40 really keen and I want to congratulate transportation
10:27:43 on working with the neighborhood in getting these
10:27:45 installed.
10:27:45 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I think 70 or $80,000 to put up
10:27:50 those signs.
10:27:51 It's great.

10:27:51 >>ROSE FERLITA: Along those lines, since that is my
10:27:54 neighborhood, it's great that some of the perhaps more
10:27:58 affluent areas can do that, in the hopes that Mr.
10:28:02 LaMotte has some more dollars for areas that can't,
10:28:05 asking for help that otherwise would have gone
10:28:07 someplace else in the list of priorities is a good
10:28:09 thing, and so it's great that the areas that can
10:28:13 contribute do so, so that everybody shares in that.
10:28:16 >>GWEN MILLER: We have a motion and second.
10:28:17 (Motion carried).
10:28:20 >>SHAWN HARRISON: Item 65.
10:28:21 Move an ordinance of the city of Tampa, Florida
10:28:23 amending the City of Tampa code of ordinances, chapter
10:28:26 25, the City of Tampa transportation ordinance article
10:28:29 3, technical provisions, division 3, section 25-194,
10:28:33 standing or parking vehicles across from or within ten
10:28:36 feet of driveways, deleting section 25-194 as
10:28:39 duplicate and already addressed in the City of Tampa
10:28:42 code of ordinances, chapter 15-43, as amended by
10:28:45 ordinance 2006-17, providing for repeal of all
10:28:48 ordinances in conflict, providing for severability,
10:28:51 and providing an effective date.

10:28:51 >>GWEN MILLER: I have a motion and second.
10:28:54 Do we have a question on number 3?
10:28:57 >>> Phyllis Fleming, Planning Commission staff.
10:28:59 I want to let you know that the Planning Commission
10:29:02 did approve this unanimously.
10:29:03 However, they have some concerns and I have the
10:29:05 transcript of the hearing that wasn't available at
10:29:08 transmittal.
10:29:08 I would like to submit.
10:29:18 The Planning Commission did have some concerns how
10:29:22 this ordinance would affect on-street parking, and
10:29:25 they wanted some consideration by staff about how it
10:29:31 would be impacted.
10:29:34 They did appreciate the impact of parking in front of
10:29:37 driveways, and the ease of access and ingress and
10:29:42 egress by emergency vocational vehicles and traffic
10:29:44 ease of movement.
10:29:46 But they were concerned that it would negatively
10:29:49 impact the neighborhood.
10:29:50 I just wanted to bring that to your attention.
10:29:52 Thank you.
10:29:54 >>GWEN MILLER: Thank you.

10:29:55 Mrs. Saul-Sena?
10:29:56 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Perhaps it would be an appropriate
10:29:58 response to these concerns raised, perhaps some
10:30:00 clarification from our staff on how this would
10:30:03 actually be implemented in our neighborhood.
10:30:07 Oh, great.
10:30:15 >>> Good morning.
10:30:15 This ordinance was prepared in preparing the maximum
10:30:18 amount of parking in our community.
10:30:21 And while I share the comments from that Phyllis had
10:30:27 from the Planning Commission I do believe this
10:30:28 ordinance provides for as much parking as possible in
10:30:30 our downtown, and really that's the objective we are
10:30:34 attempting to accomplish.
10:30:38 We will not install any parking in the vicinity of
10:30:42 intersections or parking.
10:30:45 It's a pretty straightforward ordinance.
10:30:47 I'll be glad to entertain any questions about it.
10:30:50 >>GWEN MILLER: Mr. Dingfelder?
10:30:52 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Didn't we have a extensive
10:30:54 conversation and wasn't it the conclusion that this
10:30:56 would not impact the neighborhoods?

10:30:59 Isn't this mainly a downtown --
10:31:02 >>> Absolutely.
10:31:02 The objection is taken on a case-by-case basis.
10:31:05 When we first looked at the problem, we studied both
10:31:08 Ybor and the downtown district, and we looked at -- it
10:31:12 was like 230 locations.
10:31:14 And in the end analysis, we really wanted to adjust at
10:31:20 30 locations.
10:31:21 >> But they are not in the neighborhoods?
10:31:22 >>> They are not in the neighborhoods.
10:31:23 They are on the main streets.
10:31:25 >>ROSE FERLITA: I'm really confused now that we had
10:31:27 this explanation with Mr. LaMotte.
10:31:30 That means this is not legal someplace but legal
10:31:34 someplace else.
10:31:35 In other words if you're in Hyde Park and have
10:31:36 somebody parking within ten feet of the apron of your
10:31:39 driveway and or somebody parks immediately across from
10:31:42 your driveway, that's okay?
10:31:44 >>ROY LAMOTTE: No, ma'am.
10:31:46 >> Okay, then explain.
10:31:46 >>ROY LAMOTTE: It applies all over the city.

10:31:50 Let's be clear on that.
10:31:51 We adopt an ordinance available anywhere.
10:31:53 It's how we administer the ordinance.
10:31:56 And if we need to use it for the purpose of correcting
10:31:58 a problem, if somebody is obstructing a vehicle from
10:32:04 departing a driveway or somebody is actually making it
10:32:06 difficult for a resident to depart their particular
10:32:09 drive way by creating -- then we would certainly apply
10:32:13 the ordinance wherever it applies.
10:32:15 I want to be clear about this to the point that this
10:32:18 ordinance helps the community.
10:32:21 It is not a hindrance.
10:32:22 We will apply it wherever it's applicable.
10:32:26 >>ROSE FERLITA: But my question is, it is applicable
10:32:30 everyplace that that violation curse?
10:32:32 >>> Absolutely, ma'am.
10:32:33 >>ROSE FERLITA: Okay.
10:32:34 >>GWEN MILLER: Other questions?
10:32:35 We have a motion and second.
10:32:36 All in favor say Aye.
10:32:37 Opposed, Nay.
10:32:38 (Motion carried).

10:32:40 >>SHAWN HARRISON: I would like to set the public
10:32:41 hearings 71 through 73.
10:32:45 >> We have a motion and second.
10:32:46 (Motion carried).
10:32:47 We go back now to unfinished business item number 4.
10:32:59 Anyone here for item 4?
10:33:01 Trance transportation?
10:33:01 >>SHAWN HARRISON: That's 40th Street.
10:33:03 >>GWEN MILLER: Mr. Daignault?
10:33:05 >>STEVE DAIGNAULT: This is the item from last week
10:33:09 that you asked us to hold over so that the folks from
10:33:13 the task force or anybody that wanted to speak could.
10:33:17 I would like to just address briefly some of the
10:33:20 comments made by Mr. Neal.
10:33:23 The 40th Street project continues to be our top
10:33:26 project.
10:33:27 It continues to be something we have a lot of staff
10:33:29 folks focused on.
10:33:31 We meet with the task force on a regular basis.
10:33:34 We give them as much information as we possibly can.
10:33:38 The undergrounding issue, it was asked that we ask
10:33:42 TECO to give us a cost estimate.

10:33:46 Certainly it was not something that has been washed
10:33:50 out and vetted totally throughout the staff.
10:33:52 We asked TECO, they provided us a response.
10:33:55 We provided that information to the council and to the
10:33:57 community, just as quickly as we got it.
10:34:00 It is not something that we have to spend a lot of
10:34:04 time searching out and figuring out the details of it.
10:34:08 It is an initial estimate from TECO, based on our
10:34:11 request.
10:34:11 And we appreciate them providing that information.
10:34:14 Sometimes it's very expensive to give a detailed cost
10:34:18 estimate for providing undergrounding of utilities.
10:34:22 Nevertheless, we have absolutely every expectation
10:34:28 that we are going to continue working with the task
10:34:29 force folks, the same way we have.
10:34:31 Again, we have divulged every piece of information
10:34:34 that we possibly can to them, and do so on a regular
10:34:37 basis.
10:34:38 And I think that we have a pretty good relationship
10:34:40 with that group.
10:34:41 Not only the transportation folks, but also now
10:34:44 economic development is meeting with them on a regular

10:34:46 basis to look at neighborhood and economic development
10:34:52 issues along the corridor.
10:34:54 So again, it continues to be very high on our list,
10:34:57 and is something we spend a lot of time involved in.
10:35:03 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Mr. Daignault, thanks for coming
10:35:05 over and speaking to us about that.
10:35:06 Periodically, it feels like about every other week, I
10:35:09 get an e-mail from you or your staff, called like 40th
10:35:14 Street update or something like that.
10:35:16 It's a lot of valuable information.
10:35:18 Sometimes perhaps too much information for really what
10:35:22 I want.
10:35:22 But I appreciate the fact that you all do send it to
10:35:24 me.
10:35:25 Is that information super secret information, just
10:35:29 between you and me, or is that information that you
10:35:32 regularly share with the community, the neighborhood
10:35:35 and Mr. Neal?
10:35:37 >>> It's the same information we provide to the task
10:35:39 force, Mr. Neal and the rest of the task force people,
10:35:41 yes.
10:35:42 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I have been a long-time proponent

10:35:47 of undergrounding utilities for safety as well as
10:35:49 aesthetics.
10:35:50 I realize there's certain circumstances where the cost
10:35:52 might be too great to underground it but it's possible
10:35:55 to Rae locate it to the rear of the property so that
10:35:56 the main Boulevard or corridor, in this case 40th
10:36:00 Street, is much more attractive and is allowed to have
10:36:03 a canopy of trees.
10:36:07 And I wondered if you looked into that option at all,
10:36:10 of relocating these power lines to the rear side of
10:36:13 the block.
10:36:15 >>STEVE DAIGNAULT: We have spent very little time on
10:36:17 anything along the 40th Street corridor having to do
10:36:21 with undergrounding utilities.
10:36:23 We have spent a considerable amount of time getting
10:36:26 estimates, establishing the funding for the widening
10:36:29 of the road, for acquiring the property, the
10:36:34 right-of-way that's necessary.
10:36:37 Until just recently that has been our total focus.
10:36:40 We have not looked at -- not had the mission to look
10:36:43 at the undergrounding of utilities.
10:36:45 And it's only upon the recent request that we have

10:36:49 asked TECO to give us an estimate to do that.
10:36:51 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Thank you.
10:36:53 I understand that there were so many separate parcels,
10:36:57 and that's such a labor intensive effort by public
10:37:00 works.
10:37:00 And when all is said and done and the roadway is
10:37:04 widened, I really think the relocation of the
10:37:08 utilities will shape the experience of 40th Street as
10:37:12 a local roadway.
10:37:13 To that end, I would like to request that you look --
10:37:18 that working in conjunction with TECO, you do two
10:37:21 things.
10:37:21 You look at perhaps relocating the utilities to the
10:37:24 backside of the block, without acquiring any addition
10:37:32 of land or anything like that, and also TECO look at
10:37:35 the figures based on what Mr. Neal brought up about
10:37:37 not really having to acquire property and the fact
10:37:39 that I think they started as well as Verizon and the
10:37:42 people that would be affected but it's my
10:37:43 understanding that they are trying to bury anything so
10:37:47 they are not really a player in it.
10:37:49 I just think the aesthetics and the safety of 40th

10:37:51 Street would be much enhanced by the relocation of
10:37:54 utilities, either underground, or the slot that faces
10:37:58 on either side.
10:38:00 I assume that would take about six weeks.
10:38:02 And I assumed that will not hold anything up.
10:38:06 >>STEVE DAIGNAULT: That would be a poor assumption,
10:38:09 I'm sorry.
10:38:10 Our folks are working just as hard as we can to keep
10:38:14 the 40th Street construction project on track and on
10:38:19 staff and we do not have extra folks right now that we
10:38:23 could use for that purpose.
10:38:26 The funding of the project, of the construction
10:38:29 project, continues to escalate.
10:38:32 We are at this moment waiting to hear from FDOT to get
10:38:35 their approval to advertise segment B, which includes
10:38:39 the bridge.
10:38:40 We are hopeful that we have identified all of the
10:38:42 funding necessary to construct that segment.
10:38:47 And it would be our focus, and I think the entire task
10:38:50 force agrees, that we move ahead with that project,
10:38:53 and if we are short that we identified the funding for
10:38:55 that.

10:38:57 But the staffing and the funding to pursue
10:39:01 undergrounding of utilities at this time, in
10:39:04 conjunction with this project, is very difficult to
10:39:08 provide.
10:39:08 >>SHAWN HARRISON: We are still desperately trying to
10:39:14 bake this cake.
10:39:15 And let's not try to figure out what the frosting is
10:39:17 going to be before we get the cake taken care of
10:39:20 first.
10:39:21 I agree with that, Mr. Daignault.
10:39:23 But what we heard from Mr. Neal was that B is not
10:39:27 really on the table for undergrounding and that's what
10:39:30 we are going to bid for, trying to get out the
10:39:33 contract letting now.
10:39:34 So if all we are talking about is undergrounding fee,
10:39:38 which all we are doing at this point is going through
10:39:40 the eminent domain process on fee, it might buy us a
10:39:46 little bit of time to revise those estimates that TECO
10:39:48 gave.
10:39:49 And if that number does truly come down to something
10:39:52 in the million dollar range, then it's probably
10:39:56 something that we shouldn't take off the table until

10:39:58 the absolute last minute that we have to take it off
10:40:01 the table.
10:40:01 Don't want this project to be delayed one second
10:40:03 either.
10:40:04 But if the scope of what they are asking for it be
10:40:07 undergrounded is different than what has been looked
10:40:09 at already, then I don't see any harm in continuing
10:40:12 that dialogue.
10:40:17 >>STEVE DAIGNAULT: You understand that segment fee is
10:40:19 a very small segment of the entire 40th Street
10:40:22 project.
10:40:22 And if that is the scope and that is the direction, we
10:40:27 will be glad to go pursue it.
10:40:28 But that is just a very small segment of the total
10:40:31 40th Street project.
10:40:32 >>SHAWN HARRISON: I understand.
10:40:33 And maybe they are talking -- talking about doing it
10:40:36 on "A" as well but he said "B" was not something they
10:40:41 were interested in and all we have left are "A" and
10:40:46 "C" and I think again I don't think throws any harm in
10:40:48 trying to clarify exactly what it is that they are
10:40:50 asking for, and look at those numbers if TECO is

10:40:57 willing to take another look at that.
10:41:02 >>KEVIN WHITE: I guess I am going to echo some of Mr.
10:41:04 Harrison's concerns or comments.
10:41:05 I would not want 40th Street slowed down for one
10:41:08 minute either.
10:41:09 Not only has the administration said that 40th Street
10:41:12 is the top transportation priority, but as a member of
10:41:16 the MPO, or Mr. Harrison as the chair, and through two
10:41:22 of the other council members who sit on that board, we
10:41:24 listened to FDOT talk about the escalating cost of
10:41:28 materials.
10:41:30 Every second we talk about this, costs continue to
10:41:33 escalate.
10:41:34 And I don't mind looking at anything as long as it's
10:41:39 not going to cost us undergrounding.
10:41:42 I don't know -- you may want to tell everybody what
10:41:46 segment that actually is, when you are saying that's
10:41:49 the shortest part, to the listening public.
10:41:51 Also, Mrs. Saul-Sena's idea of maybe putting it to the
10:41:55 back of the property, these not necessarily a bad
10:41:58 idea, but it all depends on if it's abutting somebody
10:42:01 else's, and if you start running a power line on

10:42:04 property lines, then you don't have access, or
10:42:10 easement right-of-way for utilities.
10:42:14 So if it's an alleyway that's been vacated an it's
10:42:18 right on somebody's property line, then trying to get
10:42:22 to them.
10:42:24 Just the possibilities of where to put it so that may
10:42:26 not be the most feasible thing in every type of
10:42:29 situation.
10:42:29 And then you have some out front, some out back, and
10:42:32 that costs more.
10:42:35 Anything that we can do to cut costs and make the city
10:42:39 and 40th Street corridor more visibly aesthetic, we
10:42:43 want to do, but, by the same token, the city, as well
10:42:47 as the 40th Street corridor, has waited many, many
10:42:52 years for this project to go forward.
10:42:55 And I don't think we want to slow the progress of this
10:42:58 project down for a second.
10:43:02 >>GWEN MILLER: Thank you.
10:43:05 Did you want to comment on something, Mrs. Agliano?
10:43:14 >> Stephanie Agliano, director of community relations
10:43:17 for Tampa Electric Company.
10:43:20 Just a few comments on undergrounding.

10:43:23 And I know councilwoman Saul-Sena probably knows it
10:43:27 very well, working with her closely with the Davis
10:43:30 Island task force and study.
10:43:31 And it's not simple.
10:43:33 In a project like this, there's been little
10:43:37 opportunity come up and talk about educating people,
10:43:39 that it's not simple.
10:43:41 It's not as easy as looking at 40th Street.
10:43:43 And that's the only road involved.
10:43:48 As Lou at the 40th Street project -- and I do
10:43:51 apologize because I was here, or when I understood the
10:43:54 request, I thought the request was for the total 40th
10:43:56 Street project.
10:43:57 But along the 40th Street project from Hillsborough to
10:44:01 Busch, you've got side streets, and the project
10:44:04 actually has to extend about 1,000 feet into the side
10:44:09 streets to connect the feeders.
10:44:10 Feeders help with reliability, they help with
10:44:13 backfeed.
10:44:15 So it's not just 40th Street.
10:44:17 We do have the tie-in.
10:44:18 We have roundabouts that we have to be concerned

10:44:20 about.
10:44:20 You have got the bridge issue.
10:44:22 And bridge issue has to do with tying the reliability
10:44:26 again.
10:44:27 So it's not real simple.
10:44:31 It's an opportunity to educate.
10:44:33 I'm sorry, I don't know if Mr. Neal left or not.
10:44:36 Maybe he's at home watching.
10:44:38 But, you know, when we put an estimate together, we
10:44:40 are putting an estimate together that is going to do
10:44:44 what it needs to do, and is not going to do anything
10:44:48 to the integrity and reliability of our system.
10:44:50 That's just what has to happen.
10:44:55 I think while I have a captive audience, too, it's
10:44:58 important that everybody please understand as a
10:45:03 utility company, we are not for or against
10:45:06 undergrounding, okay?
10:45:07 We have both systems in our service territory.
10:45:12 There is a place, maybe in certain areas, better
10:45:15 suited for undergrounding, overhead, that type of
10:45:18 thing.
10:45:18 So if I could, just at some point, or with that

10:45:23 statement, let everyone know that as a utility company
10:45:28 we will be glad to get estimates.
10:45:29 I will tell you, though, I do believe it is my job to
10:45:32 make sure, whoever is deciding, to go with
10:45:35 undergrounding, to make sure they do know the pros and
10:45:37 cons of it.
10:45:39 There are pros and cons.
10:45:40 And every neighborhood is different.
10:45:42 Every design is different.
10:45:44 Every area has its own challenges.
10:45:46 And it's not simple to take figure it out or think
10:45:52 that we can figure it out from a car.
10:45:55 To serve people from the back easements, you have
10:45:57 easements challenges.
10:45:59 It's very hard typically trucks cannot get in to
10:46:02 repair.
10:46:03 Okay.
10:46:03 So it's not as simple as power to the back.
10:46:08 That's why you have seen lately the utility poles
10:46:13 coming to the front.
10:46:14 It's very hard to get back to the easement areas.
10:46:16 So that's not an answer.

10:46:18 Or that's one of the things that we look at.
10:46:21 I would like to point out something in the estimate,
10:46:24 that the items listed were items that we just made
10:46:29 sure that you all know could or not -- may or may not
10:46:33 impact this quote.
10:46:36 As far as I know, and I have got my engineer here who
10:46:40 designed the overhead for that system, I don't believe
10:46:42 we have an easement.
10:46:44 Okay.
10:46:44 We would have to go out and secure and get those
10:46:47 easements.
10:46:48 Okay.
10:46:50 So I don't know if you all have any other questions.
10:46:52 But I think it's important.
10:46:53 I think the frustrating thing is that when it costs so
10:46:57 much, it is frustrating.
10:46:58 And it's frustrating, and I know we are not popular
10:47:01 when we say ware not going to pay for undergrounding.
10:47:04 But that's reality; you know, right now.
10:47:09 And I know councilwoman Saul-Sena did mention last
10:47:12 week, Florida Power and Light offering to pay 25% of
10:47:16 the undergrounding.

10:47:18 We are going to be watching a lot of things going on
10:47:20 in the legislature this year.
10:47:22 Please understand, the way Florida Power and Light has
10:47:24 proposed to do that is to charge it back to the rate
10:47:27 payers.
10:47:29 Okay?
10:47:29 So it's important that we all understand who is trying
10:47:34 to do what, and what are the real details of what's
10:47:37 going on out there.
10:47:39 If you have any questions, I will be glad to answer.
10:47:41 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Thank you.
10:47:43 Did you all take a look at moving the poles one block
10:47:47 off?
10:47:47 By that I didn't mean an alley, by the front of the
10:47:53 other side of the block, either side of 40th Street.
10:47:58 >>> They do look at that.
10:47:59 And I think Maria Martinez is the engineer who has,
10:48:04 like I said, designed the overhead system, and she has
10:48:08 taken a look at that system.
10:48:10 I'm going to let her answer.
10:48:17 >>> Martinez: Good morning.
10:48:18 The overhead system we have now typically is on one

10:48:21 side.
10:48:21 It doesn't have crossing over, if I understand your
10:48:25 question correctly.
10:48:26 It's services and secondary to be able to -- the
10:48:31 properties across the street.
10:48:32 Most of our lines are running on one side of the road.
10:48:35 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: What I'm trying to do is have no
10:48:44 lanes on 40th street so we can have the kind of
10:48:46 aesthetic treatment that has been proposed because as
10:48:50 now there's a conflict with vegetation and power
10:48:52 lines, power lines to vegetation.
10:48:54 So what I am saying is instead of going down one side
10:48:57 is better than two, what would it take to move that
10:49:00 back a block, so that 40th Street itself, as a
10:49:05 redevelopment corridor, doesn't have power lines going
10:49:08 down, that the power lines parallel 40th street
10:49:12 one block to the east.
10:49:13 >>> We need to make sure that where we have the power
10:49:17 line that we can reach our customers.
10:49:19 >> Of course.
10:49:19 And I think that would be worth looking at because
10:49:23 it's much more costly, it's literally move something

10:49:30 over head a block away.
10:49:31 But what it would allow is 40th Street as a
10:49:34 redevelopment corridor to really have the treatment
10:49:37 that parallels the site that's very aesthetic.
10:49:41 That's, I think, what we heard today, just segment
10:49:50 "C," and just the two costs, one for undergrounding
10:49:58 and one for moving it a block off.
10:50:01 Because we are just in a position right now of
10:50:04 securing the parcels along there.
10:50:06 We are not into design or anything yet.
10:50:08 I don't think it's premature to take a look at that.
10:50:12 >>> I'm not sure, and Stephani will take a look at it.
10:50:17 Once you move a block off I'm not sure what
10:50:21 neighborhoods you are going to run into.
10:50:22 Now you are coming off a commercial road, and you're
10:50:24 asking us to go one block in, so is a pole somebody
10:50:33 better in somebody's yard versus a main feeder road?
10:50:36 I don't know.
10:50:39 You know, --
10:50:40 >> I'd like to hear from the neighborhood if possible
10:50:43 what the costs are.
10:50:44 I really feel this is a neighborhood-driven request,

10:50:47 and the neighborhood should be provided the
10:50:51 information.
10:50:53 And then give feedback to us, the city, and feedback
10:50:58 to you.
10:50:58 But they need the information in order to do that.
10:51:00 And that's what would be valuable for you provide.
10:51:04 >>> One of the recommendations I do have with this, I
10:51:06 think one of items I would like to point out here is
10:51:10 your customer need basis.
10:51:14 Undergrounding is almost like a construction project,
10:51:17 development project almost.
10:51:18 It's a big project.
10:51:20 And one of the things that is a reality is that
10:51:24 anybody touched by that service will have to convert
10:51:26 their meter.
10:51:28 Could be several hundred, could be several thousand.
10:51:31 Depending.
10:51:32 And I think it's important.
10:51:33 I don't think it should be treated any differently
10:51:36 than any other project.
10:51:38 Going in and making sure that people who will be
10:51:40 touched by this are willing to pay for it, because you

10:51:44 can't have somebody, not one person, not on board,
10:51:49 wanting to do what they need to do, in getting the
10:51:53 same effect.
10:51:54 So I'm not sure if we are putting the cart before the
10:51:58 horse or if we can do some things at the same time.
10:52:00 But I think it's important that those people paying
10:52:04 for that, you know, to be a part of that.
10:52:08 >>ROSE FERLITA: Mr. Daignault, come back up here for a
10:52:10 second, please.
10:52:19 Perhaps Mrs. Saul-Sena as another city-wide council
10:52:21 member has had maybe more interaction with that
10:52:24 neighborhood.
10:52:25 But as far as this city-wide council member, they have
10:52:26 talked about concerns about maybe sometimes not having
10:52:32 the right communication, assured us that everything is
10:52:35 available and communicated to them, but never once in
10:52:38 my experience in terms of neighborhood meetings, in a
10:52:41 particular area, have I had anybody from the
10:52:44 neighborhood say, you know, we want you to look at
10:52:47 this in terms of an underground opportunity.
10:52:49 And maybe since you are the director of public works
10:52:51 you can tell me if they have had that conversation

10:52:52 with you.
10:52:54 >>STEVE DAIGNAULT: Only recently.
10:52:56 Again, our focus for the last two years has been 40th
10:53:01 Street, get it designed, get the property, get the
10:53:03 money, make sure we can construct the four-laning of
10:53:09 40th Street.
10:53:10 That has been our focus.
10:53:11 Just recently they have gotten into more economic
10:53:14 development issues, having to do with businesses in
10:53:17 the area, and we brought in Cindy Miller and her
10:53:20 group, and they now meet with us at the same time.
10:53:28 But it's only been recently in our task force meetings
10:53:30 that this has been brought up.
10:53:31 And that's why the question, requested of TECO.
10:53:35 >>ROSE FERLITA: I don't mean to bring up other issues
10:53:41 in terms of what happened.
10:53:43 TECO, it's like they all want telephones.
10:53:49 Same thing with power.
10:53:51 We want it pretty but don't put those poles close to
10:53:54 me.
10:53:56 We have trade to accommodate the growth in the city.
10:53:58 I think the long and short for me is sitting in a

10:54:01 listening posture but somebody is going to have to pay
10:54:03 for these accommodations, be it underground, or
10:54:06 someplace else, or taking care of acquiring easements,
10:54:09 or the neighborhood is okay, but the 40th Street
10:54:12 corridor is pretty.
10:54:13 I don't think so but I don't know.
10:54:15 I think in common terms and then I'll close my
10:54:20 comment.
10:54:20 Awhile back there was a commercial that was a little
10:54:22 bit on the -- it got the point across.
10:54:27 A man spoke loud and gruff, and said power ain't
10:54:30 pretty.
10:54:31 I think for the amount of years that I have been
10:54:33 sitting here is people on 40th Street.
10:54:40 I think in terms of my priorities -- and I can only
10:54:42 speak for mina and horse-but you are the expert, and
10:54:46 certainly Ms. Agliano experts in utility companies but
10:54:51 I think that getting this done trumps aesthetics.
10:54:56 If that particular community has nothing else to look
10:54:59 at, then gosh, let's concentrate on pretty.
10:55:02 But right now we need to concentrate on practical.
10:55:05 So everyone has their own observations.

10:55:10 But that community wants it finished.
10:55:13 And I suspect if when continue looking at things it's
10:55:15 going to draw manpower from you and it's going to
10:55:18 involve estimates from them and man power to get those
10:55:20 estimates in an inappropriate fashion, but the next
10:55:23 council member is going to hear this, we are never
10:55:29 going to get this done.
10:55:30 I think when you as the expert feels enough is enough
10:55:32 then I'm afraid you are going to have to verbalize
10:55:34 that or we are going to keep going at this, and now
10:55:37 that, Steve.
10:55:39 >>STEVE DAIGNAULT: Just one comment.
10:55:40 We are spending money for aesthetics on the corridor.
10:55:45 You all are aware that we went through a contest on
10:55:48 the decorations for the bridge.
10:55:49 And we have even in spite of cost increases, cost
10:55:54 escalation, we have kept in the budget dollars to
10:55:57 address the bridge and the aesthetics from the bridge.
10:56:00 Additionally, with TECO's help, we have, as part of
10:56:03 this project, the undergrounding of the lines for the
10:56:08 streetlights.
10:56:09 So the corridor is going to look cleaner.

10:56:12 It is going to look less cluttered.
10:56:15 And those all part of the project.
10:56:16 >>ROSE FERLITA: Steve, I understand that.
10:56:19 But from the practical standpoint, you're looking at
10:56:20 the pretty.
10:56:21 But you still need to focus on the practical aspects.
10:56:24 So depending on how you want a broad spectrum
10:56:28 aesthetics it's going to continue to bog down this
10:56:30 project.
10:56:30 That's my point.
10:56:31 I realize that.
10:56:32 It's not going to be something that you slap up there
10:56:34 and it's going to be ugly.
10:56:36 Hardly.
10:56:36 But when do you stop on the aesthetic value?
10:56:39 >>GWEN MILLER: Mr. Dingfelder?
10:56:40 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Thank you.
10:56:41 This is one of those tough issues because in a perfect
10:56:46 world, ideal world, perhaps 100 years ago or whatever,
10:56:48 you know, would have decided to put these things
10:56:54 underground if the technology had been there.
10:56:57 It's available perhaps today but it's not an easy

10:56:59 thing.
10:57:00 It's clearly not an inexpensive thing.
10:57:02 It's a very expensive thing.
10:57:04 How to resolve it? It's not a realistic thing now,
10:57:06 especially in light of the fact that we don't have a
10:57:09 solid state policy to address this issue.
10:57:13 You know, it's not the kind of thing we can just jump
10:57:15 into locally.
10:57:16 I think our rate payers, our citizens, have already
10:57:21 experienced rate hikes because of the oil increases
10:57:23 this past year.
10:57:25 That's no fault of TECO.
10:57:27 The bottom line is, as oil doubles in price that's
10:57:33 been passed onto rate payers and they are not in a
10:57:36 position where they want to pay anything more to
10:57:38 underground utilities.
10:57:39 So I don't know why we keep spending so much time on
10:57:42 this issue.
10:57:43 I think it is a waste of time to a certain point.
10:57:47 The discussion in an esoteric fashion is a lovely one.
10:57:50 But that's what it is.
10:57:51 And I think for long-term discussion, you know, when

10:57:54 we tell developers that you should underground your
10:57:57 new project out in New Tampa, and they are, then
10:58:00 that's good.
10:58:00 That's a good thing.
10:58:01 Because it's a clean slate.
10:58:03 It's a Greenfield.
10:58:04 And you can underground in a less expensive fashion.
10:58:08 Plus they have the ability to pass it on to their
10:58:11 folks when they build those houses.
10:58:12 But in this area there's nobody to pass it onto.
10:58:15 And we are not going to pass it on to all rate payers
10:58:19 and the citizens of the City of Tampa.
10:58:20 I don't think that's realistic.
10:58:22 I think we should quit wasting our time did about it.
10:58:26 If certain places in town was as a neighborhood want
10:58:29 to underground and they can raise the money to do
10:58:31 that, that's fine.
10:58:32 But otherwise, I think I'm done with this discussion.
10:58:35 >> Second.
10:58:36 >> Second.
10:58:42 >>> Just one more comment, too.
10:58:43 On this project, because of the time it takes for

10:58:47 designing inventorying, whatever, keep this in mind.
10:58:51 We don't mind coming to the table.
10:58:52 But it has to be probably as soon as Steve is working
10:58:57 on something, we probably should get a call and say
10:59:01 come to the table, we need to find out -- this is what
10:59:04 we are planning in the future and we are starting to
10:59:06 do that on our end with the city, on our facilities.
10:59:10 So we just have to be -- it would be a year before we
10:59:14 could even start undergrounding.
10:59:17 So keep that in mind.
10:59:18 It's the timing.
10:59:19 We have got to be there in the front, working along
10:59:21 with the City of Tampa to say, what are your plans?
10:59:24 Where are you going?
10:59:25 Let's see what we can do.
10:59:26 And then be smarter about it as we go forward.
10:59:32 And like I said, it's frustrating.
10:59:36 It's aggravating.
10:59:38 We all know when we want something, if it's too
10:59:42 expensive it's not fun.
10:59:43 But thank you all.
10:59:45 If you have any questions, call me, e-mail me.

10:59:47 >>GWEN MILLER: Thank you.
10:59:48 We'll make sure you're on the front of all the
10:59:50 projects.
10:59:51 Mrs. Saul-Sena?
10:59:55 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: We are starting to think about
10:59:57 improvements along Gandy.
10:59:58 Have you been working with the city on Gandy?
11:00:01 J Gloria and I were talking about that.
11:00:04 We'll get with them.
11:00:05 I think too we need to identify what the impact is,
11:00:08 and make sure that we have already got that.
11:00:12 >> Because Gandy is an area where we have some very
11:00:16 deep pocket projects, developers who are spending
11:00:18 money along there, and perhaps with their dollars and
11:00:22 the city's interest and your cooperation, we'll be
11:00:25 able to accomplish something.
11:00:27 >>> That would be great.
11:00:28 Thank you.
11:00:30 >>> Can I just add to that similar to what she said?
11:00:33 Please keep in mind that on a lot of our poles, even
11:00:39 if we put our facilities underground they need to give
11:00:42 you an estimate like cable companies, or phone

11:00:46 companies, but you still have the cable company.
11:00:53 If we vacate, they still need to vacate the poles.
11:00:59 So I just wanted to point that out.
11:01:01 Just because we move anything.
11:01:06 >>GWEN MILLER: Thank you.
11:01:07 Item number 5.
11:01:12 >>> Councilwoman Saul-Sena, on the Gandy project,
11:01:15 found out that is D.O.T.'s.
11:01:17 Somebody would have to get with them to ask us.
11:01:19 That is their project, that they'll be doing to see if
11:01:23 they are wanting at the table, if somebody would let
11:01:27 me know that would be fine.
11:01:29 >>DAVID SMITH: If we could, before going to item
11:01:33 number 5, we have our response to Mr. White's
11:01:36 question.
11:01:37 In fact, Mr. Robinson was correct.
11:01:39 Those are two scrivener's errors.
11:01:41 It should be change order number 2.
11:01:43 And it should be through March of 2006.
11:01:46 This is the College Hill project.
11:01:48 As you know, it has been long delayed.
11:01:51 What Mr. Vaughan has indicated to me, he would like to

11:01:54 see council do is approve it with those two changes.
11:01:57 We can provide an informed copy, provide a scrivener's
11:02:02 error so we can move forward with the project. The
11:02:04 community has waited long for that.
11:02:07 >>KEVIN WHITE: With that I would like to move
11:02:09 resolution 19 with the correction of the change order
11:02:11 number 2, and the date of March 2006.
11:02:16 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Second.
11:02:16 >>GWEN MILLER: We have a motion and second.
11:02:18 (Motion carried).
11:02:20 >>DAVID SMITH: Thank you.
11:02:21 >>GWEN MILLER: Number 5.
11:02:28 >>JUSTIN VASKE: Legal department.
11:02:29 This is number 5 on the agenda.
11:02:31 I'm seeking direction from council regarding both the
11:02:34 motion from March 2nd, 2006, which directed the
11:02:37 legal department to appear and discuss how the ethics
11:02:41 code can be amended, since language requires vendors,
11:02:44 responders, RFPs, other scenarios to disclose
11:02:50 interests.
11:02:50 Given that the city's ethics code generally applies to
11:02:53 employee conduct, it is our recommendation that we

11:02:57 insert language in appropriate contracts that would
11:03:01 require vendors to disclose any conflicts that would
11:03:04 affect independent judgment and as a result affect its
11:03:09 work with the city.
11:03:10 And this can be done on a case-by-case basis.
11:03:13 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: So moved.
11:03:14 >>GWEN MILLER: Mr. Dingfelder?
11:03:24 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: My concern is that conflict at the
11:03:25 end of the day reside in one's self, that you have to
11:03:28 identify your own conflict.
11:03:32 It concerns me a little bit as I say that as related
11:03:34 to vendors, you know.
11:03:36 Are we going to just rely upon the vendors to look
11:03:40 into their heart and say, is there any conflict?
11:03:43 Or are we going to better define what a conflict might
11:03:45 be?
11:03:48 >>JUSTIN VASKE: Well, it's my understanding the
11:03:49 conflict is related to whether or not a vendor, or in
11:03:52 this case a consultant, would have any conflict that
11:03:57 would affect independent judgment.
11:03:59 It wouldn't be appropriate, for instance, if we were
11:04:01 going to purchase a bunch of vehicles from a car

11:04:04 dealership.
11:04:05 That's not appropriate.
11:04:06 But it's appropriate where we have consultants that
11:04:12 give us their independent judgment.
11:04:14 And the conflict arise with their clients.
11:04:23 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: But here's my concern, council.
11:04:28 Once we tie it down and give them some examples or
11:04:31 something like that, I think if we ask this particular
11:04:34 consultant who this issue came up with, if other
11:04:40 business relationships affected their independent
11:04:42 judgment, I think they would quickly say, and they
11:04:44 have said, standing right there where you are, no, no,
11:04:50 it wouldn't affect it.
11:04:52 That doesn't satisfy the concerns that I had, and I
11:04:55 think that the rest of council had.
11:04:57 I think what we would like to do is just say, we feel
11:05:02 your clients, you know, reveal the clients'
11:05:05 relationships that you have so that the people who are
11:05:10 evaluating the RFPs can then, when we award the
11:05:16 contract, make an informed judgment about the
11:05:18 potential conflict.
11:05:20 >>JUSTIN VASKE: Okay.

11:05:22 So would it still be necessary to amend the ethics
11:05:25 code?
11:05:28 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I agree, don't necessarily think it
11:05:31 needs to be an amendment to the ethics but maybe this
11:05:34 is what you were saying all along.
11:05:35 >>> Right.
11:05:36 >> If we could just amend the RFP language or any
11:05:39 appropriate contracts, because there might be other
11:05:42 contracts that we need to enter into with RFP.
11:05:45 Would that type of mandatory disclosure -- I don't
11:05:48 really -- you know, the ethics thing doesn't matter
11:05:51 that much.
11:05:53 >>> Really what you are asking me 20 do is come up
11:05:55 with language that more or less -- than the conflict
11:06:04 with their work.
11:06:05 >> Right.
11:06:05 >>ROSE FERLITA: Madam Chairman, this is like two times
11:06:08 in a row, John, that we agree, and let's keep rolling
11:06:11 on this.
11:06:11 I think what he's saying -- and it's a very valid
11:06:15 point -- if I'm a vendor, and based on the info I
11:06:18 have, my determination is there's in a conflict.

11:06:20 And whether that person is doing it because they are
11:06:24 ethical or unethical doesn't matter.
11:06:26 Based on their info they think that they are not in
11:06:29 conflict.
11:06:30 What he's asking if I understand it correctly is for
11:06:32 that information to be disclosed so that somebody in a
11:06:38 different position can decide -- objective position
11:06:40 can decide if they have a violation or a conflict.
11:06:43 I mean sometimes when you're too close to an issue --
11:06:46 and this is not about banging vendors.
11:06:52 Because that's not going to affect my decision.
11:06:54 But if we have that information we can help them
11:06:59 decide whether or not there's a potential conflict
11:07:02 that would cause us to be uncomfortable, and for the
11:07:06 public not to have very much confidence in the system.
11:07:09 So I think, John, that's where you're going.
11:07:12 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: That was well stated and we are
11:07:16 agreeing so often maybe you shouldn't be leaving us.
11:07:18 (Laughter).
11:07:20 >>ROSE FERLITA: I don't want to mess up a good thing.
11:07:26 >>> Okay, I understand at this point.
11:07:31 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: So moved.

11:07:35 >> Second.
11:07:35 (Motion carried).
11:07:36 >>GWEN MILLER: Item number 6.
11:07:43 >>DAVID SMITH: David Smith, city attorney again.
11:07:46 Mr. Walter, chuck Walter of the stormwater department,
11:07:49 had filed a report which should be in your backup.
11:07:53 This issue started prior to the current administration
11:07:56 and prior to my coming to the city attorney's office.
11:07:58 Mr. Fisher has filed a claim back in 2003.
11:08:04 There were some efforts to do what we could do to try
11:08:07 to remedy the problem, stormwater issues or
11:08:10 combination of private and public drainage facilities.
11:08:14 Those efforts also resulted in some discussions
11:08:17 regarding some remediation.
11:08:19 Ultimately those discussions were not successful.
11:08:21 The city has taken the position there's no negligence
11:08:29 on behalf of the city and the more we investigated.
11:08:32 Our recommendation to you is that we leave this
11:08:35 venue -- leave this for the more appropriate venue of
11:08:38 factual determination, in a court of law, where we can
11:08:41 have the standard kinds of tests where we determine
11:08:44 the relevance and value.

11:08:51 (interference).
11:08:54 >>KEVIN WHITE: You get a call every time you stand up.
11:08:57 >>ROSE FERLITA: He's calling to find out where the
11:09:00 chief of staff is because it says he's supposed to be
11:09:02 here.
11:09:02 >>DAVID SMITH: Actually it was my negotiating partner
11:09:06 on Verizon.
11:09:07 But basically we recommend you leave this where it
11:09:09 currently is but if you need additional information
11:09:12 that was provided, Mr. Walters report, he would be
11:09:14 happy to provide that to you.
11:09:16 Thank you very much.
11:09:20 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I wanted to clarify.
11:09:22 Even though the gentleman stood up in front of us last
11:09:25 type, it wasn't clear to discount that he had pending
11:09:28 claims and that sort of thing, in our rules, in our
11:09:30 own rules that we operate under, we clearly -- you
11:09:34 give gad advice, and we clearly follow hopefully that
11:09:38 when shouldn't discuss potential litigation.
11:09:40 I think if he has a claim in and he threatened
11:09:45 litigation, I degree we shouldn't get into the
11:09:48 substance and merit of the claim.

11:09:49 He can deal with it through the appropriate legal
11:09:51 channels, et cetera.
11:09:53 And it's not that I wish him ill or wish him well,
11:10:00 it's just that there are better ways to deal with it
11:10:02 than in the political forum.
11:10:05 >>> Thank you.
11:10:07 FROM THE FLOOR: Can I say something?
11:10:09 >>GWEN MILLER: No, you can't speak.
11:10:11 We had public comment.
11:10:12 You could have spoke during the public comment.
11:10:22 >>> (off microphone).
11:10:24 >>GWEN MILLER:
11:10:25 [Sounding gavel]
11:10:26 You can come back later after our agenda.
11:10:28 Thank you.
11:10:28 Item number 7.
11:10:32 Transportation?
11:10:32 >>ROY LAMOTTE: transportation manager.
11:10:42 There was a request for by council for me to submit a
11:10:45 report and give you an update of the status of the
11:10:48 light at Columbus drive and Albany Avenue is.
11:10:51 I submit to you some backup information related to

11:10:54 that request.
11:10:56 To be very Frank with you it is not on our pending
11:10:59 list of locations for signal.
11:11:01 I'll explain that in just a second.
11:11:15 Back in '05, it didn't meet the warrants at that time.
11:11:21 But we felt the location warrants attention.
11:11:25 And we have to underground some -- we have some study
11:11:30 on this particular location.
11:11:31 The backup information I provided to you today is
11:11:33 really showing you a little bit about the turning
11:11:36 movement at the peak hour of the day and a collision
11:11:41 diagram, that summarizes three years of experience in
11:11:45 a backup database that substantiates that.
11:11:49 We believe the third item that we have is an aerial
11:11:53 photograph actually outlining the area of where the
11:11:56 intersection falls, and it's relationship and close
11:12:00 proximity to the intersection of Columbus and Howard
11:12:03 Avenue.
11:12:06 The numbers if we look at it, and the turning movement
11:12:09 clearly shows us trying to avoid the signal and that
11:12:14 the left-hand turn accidents taking place clearly by
11:12:17 true volume.

11:12:20 We have identified seven different alternatives that
11:12:23 we'd lick to discuss with the community and the fire
11:12:26 department before we went to the measure of putting in
11:12:32 a signal.
11:12:33 Ski your indulgence if we can continue this item.
11:12:35 But I want it to be clear where we Saturday.
11:12:38 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I am going to speak to Mrs. Alvarez
11:12:45 since she's not here and this is mainly her item, I
11:12:47 believe.
11:12:48 She obviously feels very passionately about it on the
11:12:52 one hand.
11:12:53 On the other hand I know she respects that greatly.
11:12:55 I think she was led to believe, chatted about this at
11:13:00 lengths, I think was led to believe that perhaps there
11:13:03 was some promise or notion that a light could be put
11:13:06 in there even though it mate not technically justify
11:13:09 the warrant that there might be some other exception.
11:13:11 Is that true?
11:13:13 >>ROY LAMOTTE: It does justify it based upon the
11:13:16 experience here but the reality is, John, council
11:13:20 Dingfelder, that this may just have to follow along to
11:13:25 the next intersection to the east of this location.

11:13:27 And it will impact the area dramatically to put a
11:13:30 signal here.
11:13:30 So we need to investigate it further.
11:13:33 I really have not made that investigation thorough
11:13:35 enough.
11:13:37 I think councilman Alvarez as she was departing the
11:13:41 building this morning and I shared this information
11:13:45 with her as I share with all of you this morning.
11:13:46 So it's not off the radar but it's not on --
11:13:50 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I think the message from this
11:13:52 council, actually by vote, was awhile back, was if it
11:13:57 was merely a matter of money and priority, then I
11:14:00 think that council has indicated that come budget
11:14:02 time, with respect to Mrs. Alvarez, we want this to be
11:14:08 a priority in the traffic light budget.
11:14:12 But it's not to say that any of us want to override
11:14:15 your administrative judgment and that sort of thing.
11:14:20 So, you know, with all that said, I'll go ahead and
11:14:24 respect your request, and move for additional
11:14:27 reporting, what, six weeks, or eight weeks?
11:14:30 What would you like?
11:14:32 >>> Six weeks would be fine, sir.

11:14:36 >>: Second.
11:14:36 >>GWEN MILLER: Motion and second.
11:14:37 (Motion carried).
11:14:38 Mr. LaMotte, during that time would you please get
11:14:40 with Mrs. Alvarez and you all sit down and talk about
11:14:42 it?
11:14:45 >>> Absolutely.
11:14:46 We can meet with the community and have discussions
11:14:48 with the fire department.
11:14:49 >>KEVIN WHITE: Meet with me on that, too, please.
11:14:52 >>ROSE FERLITA: Me, too.
11:14:53 Mr. LaMotte, I have a question.
11:14:55 I just leaned over to the Madam Chairman.
11:14:57 Are you here for anything else?
11:15:00 Or is that what you needed to respond to?
11:15:02 >>> No, only if there's questions.
11:15:03 >> I have a brief question and it doesn't even come to
11:15:06 a motion or anything.
11:15:07 But rather than make you stay hear till new business
11:15:10 or old business, if I can ask out of order.
11:15:13 We talked about this.
11:15:15 And I want you to look at it again, not in order of

11:15:18 when you need to come back and report to us,
11:15:20 et cetera.
11:15:20 I don't know what's happening at this point.
11:15:22 We had this conversation on Platt as you approach the
11:15:28 Platt Street bridge going eastbound.
11:15:33 I know that we are going to establish parking on the
11:15:36 right-hand side.
11:15:37 There's still two parking spaces on the left-hand
11:15:39 side.
11:15:40 It is very confusing, with traffic in the morning and
11:15:44 the afternoon, about what happens there.
11:15:45 It kind of stops at the parking slot and moves over.
11:15:49 And I know I had problems with it and I have seen
11:15:52 people kind of, oops, and move over.
11:15:54 And this one particularly brought to the my attention.
11:15:57 That's why I'm bringing it to yours.
11:15:59 I was come in the appropriate direction, and this
11:16:02 police officer came on the left of me and continued.
11:16:05 All of a sudden he slammed on the brakes, almost came
11:16:07 into me and I looked at him and he looked at me like,
11:16:11 I'm sorry.
11:16:12 And I'm like, I know.

11:16:14 It's very dangerous.
11:16:15 I want you to look at it in the scheme of things.
11:16:17 Because if we can avoid some sort of accident or if
11:16:19 it's something that's going to come up later, Roy,
11:16:22 that you already have some budgetary dollars for,
11:16:24 please look at that.
11:16:25 It is not well defined.
11:16:27 And if people are not paying a lot of attention, and
11:16:29 or if there's nobody parked in those things, you
11:16:32 assume from a little further back that it continues,
11:16:34 and it doesn't.
11:16:35 It merges over.
11:16:36 So look at that sometime and tell me what you think.
11:16:39 >>> I will be glad to do that.
11:16:40 >> Thanks, Madam Chairman.
11:16:42 >>KEVIN WHITE: I just want to make a comment.
11:16:45 I don't need you.
11:16:45 >>ROSE FERLITA: There you go, "I don't need you."
11:16:49 >>KEVIN WHITE: Not transportation.
11:16:52 I want to briefly -- I don't want to open anything.
11:16:56 Mr. Fisher's item, number 6.
11:16:58 I want to go to the issue of what we do, I think

11:17:04 that's a classic example of why we need to have staff
11:17:07 reports come before the audience agenda, whether it's
11:17:14 an individual that comes down once a year to council.
11:17:18 He had no way to refute what is being said in staff
11:17:21 report, that the public is asked to speak before the
11:17:25 staff has even said anything.
11:17:27 So they don't know what to say.
11:17:29 They don't know what the staff is going to say, even
11:17:33 if he comes up to speak before it.
11:17:36 And he can't Rae future because we won't let him.
11:17:40 And I'm not saying I want you to come up now.
11:17:42 We do it as expedience.
11:17:44 But as a general courtesy.
11:17:47 >>GWEN MILLER: You can't speak out.
11:17:48 >>KEVIN WHITE: So the public knows how to
11:17:51 appropriately respond or use their method of attack or
11:17:54 whatever it is they are trying to get the point across
11:17:56 when they haven't heard staff comments.
11:17:58 >>MARTIN SHELBY: If I can address that.
11:18:07 That has been raised previously.
11:18:10 And I believe it's the consensus of council that the
11:18:12 purpose of agendaed public comment is to address any

11:18:15 items on the agenda, early on, to impart whatever
11:18:19 opinion or facts or things they want to bring to
11:18:23 council before the council discussion of it.
11:18:27 If council wishes to open it up during that time by a
11:18:29 vote, obviously they can do that during the approval
11:18:32 of the agenda.
11:18:33 The point where I believe Council member White wishes
11:18:35 to have that opportunity is by the agenda, at the end
11:18:42 of the meeting, at the general public comment, which
11:18:47 council has a problem would not be televised.
11:18:49 But that is the point where after hearing whatever has
11:18:51 been said, council does have the opportunity to give
11:18:55 the constituent the right to do that at the end of the
11:18:57 meeting.
11:18:58 >> But is that fair to make Mr. Fisher sit down here
11:19:01 till 4:00 in the afternoon just to get his point
11:19:03 across?
11:19:04 You know what I'm saying?
11:19:06 It's not fair to any constituents talking about an
11:19:10 item that they are speaking of.
11:19:14 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Council can choose by motion to waive
11:19:16 its recalls to allow that to happen.

11:19:20 >> And I'm not talking about to waive it.
11:19:22 Then you get to speak twice and you get six minutes.
11:19:24 I'm not saying that.
11:19:25 I think staff reports ought to come, and we hear what
11:19:27 staff has to say, and then council ask their
11:19:30 questions.
11:19:30 And then the citizen that comes in to speak on that
11:19:35 agenda item, then they are well informed.
11:19:37 They know what council's position is.
11:19:39 They know what staff position is.
11:19:40 And then they can raise the issue from the
11:19:44 constituent's standpoint and we can weigh on those
11:19:46 facts and make a decision one way or the other.
11:19:49 Other than listening to staff, making the decision,
11:19:51 and it's done.
11:19:53 And then at the end of the meeting when it's all over,
11:19:55 said and done, Mr. Fisher in this case comes up after
11:19:57 the cameras are off at the end of the agenda, and then
11:20:01 we either have to reopen it, discuss it all over
11:20:03 again, or we just move on and he leaves because he
11:20:09 didn't --
11:20:10 >>ROSE FERLITA: He was talking about pending

11:20:12 litigation.
11:20:12 >>KEVIN WHITE: In a, no, I'm just using this -- I'm
11:20:16 not talking about Mr. Fisher's case.
11:20:17 Not talking about pending litigation.
11:20:19 I'm just talking about general audience agenda,
11:20:22 period.
11:20:23 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Well, there are some jurisdiction
11:20:24 that is open up every agenda item --
11:20:29 >>KEVIN WHITE: In a, no, no.
11:20:30 I'm saying the way we did it, before staff used to
11:20:35 come up, give their staff reports, and then the
11:20:38 general audience used to come right after that.
11:20:40 >>GWEN MILLER: You want to go back to the old way?
11:20:44 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I understand what you're saying, Mr.
11:20:45 White.
11:20:46 But rate now, for instance, it is now 11:20.
11:20:49 And you will not have gotten to agendaed public
11:20:53 comment until, at the rate you're going, till after
11:20:57 lunch, because once you do all the staff reports, the
11:21:00 people in the public would then have to wait.
11:21:02 And it was a decision of council, at left on a trial
11:21:05 basis and by motion several weeks ago which is coming

11:21:08 back on next week's agenda, to move it up so the
11:21:11 people who came in to speak specifically for three
11:21:13 minutes had the opportunity at the beginning of the
11:21:15 meeting and then choose to leave if they wish.
11:21:18 >> I don't know if it's the pleasure of council.
11:21:20 But would it be feasible to say, does anyone care to
11:21:24 speak now who needs to leave, but then leave the
11:21:27 option open, that if they want to speak after being
11:21:30 informed, after staff makes their report, they still
11:21:34 be given the opportunity to speak, so Mr. Fisher, in
11:21:36 this case, not pending litigation, would be able to at
11:21:40 least address his issue after staff has spoken?
11:21:45 >>MARTIN SHELBY: As opposed to waiting till the end of
11:21:46 the meeting?
11:21:48 >> Absolutely.
11:21:49 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Then I guess the issue would you be
11:21:50 does council as a body wish to have then.
11:21:52 Because probably what would happen would be subject to
11:21:54 whatever comment the public would make.
11:21:56 That would prolong the discussion.
11:21:57 Because then it would probably become in effect a
11:22:01 workshop between council and the staff relative to

11:22:04 what the public had to say.
11:22:07 I don't have a position.
11:22:08 It's whatever council choses.
11:22:10 >> I would like council -- and it's a rarity more than
11:22:14 anything.
11:22:14 But I just think it becomes unfair to -- in individual
11:22:19 circumstances.
11:22:19 And I just think that maybe we ought to take it on a
11:22:22 case-by-case basis or whatever.
11:22:24 But not on this particular issue because it is,
11:22:27 quote-unquote, pending litigation, that if somebody
11:22:31 else knows that's not the way it was, or wants to hear
11:22:35 what staff has to say about that particular item, or
11:22:38 wants to hear what council has to say about that
11:22:40 particular item before I -- I just think they ought to
11:22:44 be afforded that opportunity.
11:22:47 >>> If I could clarify one point.
11:22:48 I want to make sure council understands what I said.
11:22:51 Because way said was a notice was provided under
11:22:53 768-28.
11:22:55 That simply is a condition precedent to bringing
11:22:58 litigation.

11:22:58 Mr. Fisher has not retained counsel and has not filed
11:23:03 a lawsuit.
11:23:04 I still consider it to be -- because the notice has
11:23:07 been received in that context, wanted to make sure I
11:23:10 didn't mislead anybody.
11:23:11 >>KEVIN WHITE: No, that wasn't my point at all.
11:23:14 It's just a constituent about an issue that's on the
11:23:17 agenda.
11:23:18 Nothing to do with pending litigation.
11:23:21 Mr. Fisher's issue, anybody else that's out there that
11:23:24 wants to speak, they are not given that opportunity.
11:23:28 >>> I understand perfectly.
11:23:29 I just didn't want Mr. Fish -- people to think Mr.
11:23:33 Fisher obtained -- retained counsel.
11:23:37 I want people to understand that particular issue.
11:23:39 Thank you very much.
11:23:39 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Mr. White brings up a good point.
11:23:42 And I think and possibly a good solution.
11:23:45 And I think the solution could be that if we took the
11:23:49 agendaed public comments and we inserted it both
11:23:52 before and after the staff report -- you're right, if
11:23:57 you speak before, you can't speak after.

11:23:59 So you get your three minutes.
11:24:01 But you as a citizen get to decide which side of the
11:24:03 meeting.
11:24:06 If you have got to get out of here early, you do it
11:24:08 early.
11:24:08 If you want to stick around and see what staff says,
11:24:10 you do it after.
11:24:11 But I think that might be an appropriate way to handle
11:24:13 it because under different people and different
11:24:16 circumstances might have different desires in terms of
11:24:19 when they want to give us their input.
11:24:21 >>KEVIN WHITE: It's like Terry Neal this morning.
11:24:24 Terry made his spiel and he had to leave.
11:24:28 I don't know where he had to go but he left.
11:24:30 He couldn't stick around.
11:24:31 But I'm sure he probably would have preferred to hear
11:24:34 what TECO had to say and then make his comments.
11:24:37 That's all I'm saying.
11:24:41 That's how it used.
11:24:43 >>SHAWN HARRISON: That's how it used to be and it used
11:24:45 to work.
11:24:45 I'm not sure what we have accomplished by changing

11:24:47 this.
11:24:47 But I do know if you say you can speak before or after
11:24:50 but you have to choose, that will not work.
11:24:52 Because people will speak before and they'll get the
11:24:54 information and they'll say, well, now the information
11:24:57 has changed and I want to speak again.
11:25:00 >>> That makes sense.
11:25:01 >>SHAWN HARRISON: So it's not fair to make people
11:25:04 choose either-or.
11:25:06 I think if we go back to staff reports at the
11:25:08 beginning and limit this to to staff reports as they
11:25:11 are supposed to be, a certain amount of time, and we
11:25:14 don't waiver from that, then we have public comment
11:25:17 right after that.
11:25:23 >> On the agenda for next week?
11:25:24 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Actually, the motion was made on
11:25:30 March 23rd by council member Saul-Sena, seconded
11:25:32 by council member Alvarez, under file E-2000-648,
11:25:39 amending the rules of procedure to place agendaed
11:25:42 comments after approval of the agenda, if you wish to
11:25:45 assume that motion, then it will not appear under
11:25:48 general, and go back to the way it was.

11:25:51 >>SHAWN HARRISON: We'll all figure out what we want to
11:25:53 do for next week.
11:25:54 >>GWEN MILLER: We'll talk about it next week then.
11:25:57 Item number 8.
11:26:11 >> Metropolitan planning board.
11:26:12 The transportation disadvantaged, those who are not
11:26:14 able to drive themselves, comprise more than 10% of
11:26:17 our population.
11:26:19 There are limited number of services available to help
11:26:22 these members of our community.
11:26:26 And I would like to introduce Lynn Merenda, our
11:26:29 outreach coordinator, put together a comprehensive
11:26:33 list of what options are available for the
11:26:35 individuals, and we would like to share that with you
11:26:37 with a resource.
11:26:39 Lynn?
11:26:39 >> Lynn Merenda, MPO, and transportation disadvantaged
11:26:46 with staff.
11:26:46 I do have a PowerPoint.
11:26:50 We are here today to talk about the Hillsborough
11:26:52 County transportation disadvantaged, working together.
11:26:58 The transportation disadvantaged coordinating board

11:27:04 who are about people, who are about living, and
11:27:14 choices, for the elderly, for the children, for those
11:27:23 who are physically, mentally, or economically
11:27:25 disadvantaged, choices require resources and we
11:27:29 appreciate your support.
11:27:33 Last year, we served over 23,500 clients, made over
11:27:37 2.3 million trips.
11:27:40 Of those over 1.5 million bus trips and nearly 800
11:27:44 that you were Dar to door trips, at a cost of nearly
11:27:46 $15 million.
11:27:48 And we still have growing and unmet needs.
11:27:54 Presented this morning outlines services available
11:27:56 tort transportation disadvantaged throughout
11:27:58 Hillsborough County and includes all the
11:27:59 jurisdictions.
11:28:02 At the beginning is an overview of what services are
11:28:04 available and the MPO's transportation disadvantaged
11:28:08 coordinating board.
11:28:09 It also features the Hartline travel training program,
11:28:14 and then it gets into rides on demand.
11:28:17 That does include things like sunshine line and things
11:28:21 available in the various jurisdictions.

11:28:24 Also, we cover accessible cars and vans, commute and
11:28:28 longer trips, and in fact we have other helpful
11:28:32 services which is a complete listing of all the social
11:28:35 service agencies dealing with transportation
11:28:38 necessities to this community.
11:28:41 At the back is the state transportation help line and
11:28:46 also the Hillsborough County payers line.
11:28:50 On behalf of the board and the MPO we thank you.
11:28:54 >>SHAWN HARRISON: Thank you for the information, Lynn.
11:28:56 And why don't you go ahead for the people watching,
11:28:59 give the web site address, as well as the phone number
11:29:02 for the MPO so people can pick this up if they need
11:29:05 to?
11:29:05 >>> Sure.
11:29:06 You can get this online at,
11:29:13 transportation advantage, and it's there.
11:29:17 You can call us at 813-272-5940.
11:29:20 And we'll be happy to assist.
11:29:24 I will leave some here for the city clerk's office and
11:29:28 I can send them directly to people as well.
11:29:30 >>SHAWN HARRISON: Thank you.
11:29:32 Any questions?

11:29:33 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Excellent.
11:29:34 >>SHAWN HARRISON: Okay.
11:29:36 Number 9.
11:29:40 Is Cathy Coyle here?
11:29:43 We have a request to move this to May 4th.
11:29:47 >> Move to.
11:29:50 >> Second.
11:29:50 (Motion carried).
11:29:51 >>SHAWN HARRISON: Now we are going to go to public
11:29:57 hearings.
11:30:08 Item 74.
11:30:09 Anyone who would like to speak on public hearings
11:30:11 items 74 through 82?
11:30:16 If there's anyone in the public that would like to
11:30:18 speak on 74 through 82, please stand and raise your
11:30:20 right hand to be sworn in.
11:30:23 >>THE CLERK: Do you solemnly swear or affirm to tell
11:30:26 the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth?
11:30:30 >>SHAWN HARRISON: Thank you.
11:30:31 Item 74.
11:30:33 >> Move to open.
11:30:34 >> Second.

11:30:34 >>SHAWN HARRISON: Motion and second to open.
11:30:36 (Motion carried).
11:30:37 Is there anyone in the public who would like to speak
11:30:40 on item 74?
11:30:42 >>KEVIN WHITE: Move to close.
11:30:43 >> Second.
11:30:43 (Motion carried).
11:30:44 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Move for adoption upon second
11:30:52 reading, an ordinance amending a scrivener error in
11:30:55 exhibit A of ordinance 2005-159 which authorizes the
11:30:59 vacate closing discontinuing and abandoning of a
11:31:02 certain public right-of-way comprising all that
11:31:04 50-foot portion of 35th street south of the
11:31:06 intersection with second Avenue all that portion of
11:31:09 second Avenue West of 37th street to but not
11:31:11 including the intersection with 35th street, the
11:31:14 easterly 10 by 50-foot portion of 36th street
11:31:17 south of 2nd Avenue and all that 10-foot alley in
11:31:21 block 11 south of second Avenue bound by 35th
11:31:24 street on the west and 36th street east on the
11:31:26 east in second revision east bay park, a subdivision
11:31:31 located in the City of Tampa, Hillsborough County,

11:31:33 Florida, providing an effective date.
11:31:34 And now there's an understanding why there was a
11:31:38 scrivener's error in there.
11:31:40 >>SHAWN HARRISON: We have a motion and second.
11:31:41 Roll call vote.
11:31:43 Dingfelder yes.
11:31:44 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Yes.
11:31:45 >>SHAWN HARRISON: Yes.
11:31:45 >>KEVIN WHITE: Yes.
11:31:46 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried with Alvarez, Miller and
11:31:49 Ferlita being absent.
11:31:50 >>KEVIN WHITE: Move to open 75.
11:31:53 >> Second.
11:31:53 (Motion carried).
11:31:54 >>SHAWN HARRISON: Item 75 is now open.
11:31:57 Is there anyone in the public that would like to speak
11:31:59 on item 75?
11:32:01 >>KEVIN WHITE: Move to close.
11:32:02 >> Second.
11:32:02 (Motion carried).
11:32:03 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Move to adopt upon second reading
11:32:10 an ordinance vacating, closing, discontinuing, and

11:32:12 abandoning a certain right-of-way a portion of that
11:32:15 alleyway lying south of durham street, north of
11:32:18 Marconi street and east of 28th street map of East
11:32:20 Tampa, a subdivision located in the city of tap
11:32:23 Hillsborough County the same being more fully
11:32:25 described in section 2 hereof providing an effective
11:32:26 date.
11:32:27 >>SHAWN HARRISON: We have a motion and second.
11:32:30 All in favor -- roll call vote.
11:32:32 Dingfelder
11:32:34 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried with Alvarez, Miller and
11:32:40 Ferlita being absent.
11:32:44 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Move to open 76.
11:32:46 >> Second.
11:32:52 >>SHAWN HARRISON: Is there anyone that would like to
11:32:54 speak on item 76?
11:32:55 >> Move to close.
11:32:56 >> Second.
11:32:56 (Motion carried).
11:32:56 >>KEVIN WHITE: Move the following ordinance upon
11:33:02 second reading, move an ordinance renaming and
11:33:06 designating grass Dale drive generally located with

11:33:09 Grand Hampton phase 1-C-1 within the City of Tampa,
11:33:15 Hillsborough County Florida so that it will be hereof
11:33:17 known as Hampton Glen drive and rename the designating
11:33:22 COFFEY drive generally located within the Grand
11:33:25 Hampton phase 2-A-1 within the City of Tampa,
11:33:28 Hillsborough County so it will be here after known as
11:33:33 Hampton lake drive, providing an effective date.
11:33:35 >> Second.
11:33:35 >>SHAWN HARRISON: Motion and second.
11:33:37 Roll call vote.
11:33:42 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried with Alvarez, whiter being
11:33:49 absent.
11:33:52 (Motion carried).
11:33:53 >> Move to open number 77.
11:33:54 >>SHAWN HARRISON: Mr. Shelby, could you let me know
11:33:56 about item 77?
11:33:58 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I had an opportunity to review the
11:34:01 file.
11:34:02 And if you have a notice from an affected party it's
11:34:07 my opinion this is not special private gain or loss
11:34:10 and it would be appropriate for you to vote on this
11:34:12 item.

11:34:13 >>SHAWN HARRISON: Thank you.
11:34:14 Is there anyone in the public that would like to speak
11:34:16 on number 77?
11:34:17 >> Move to close.
11:34:18 >>: Second.
11:34:18 (Motion carried).
11:34:19 >>ROSE FERLITA: Move an ordinance on second reading,
11:34:27 an ordinance authorizing the construction and
11:34:29 installation of a proposed encroachment balconies by
11:34:32 ABC capital, inch, apportion of the public
11:34:34 right-of-way known as Franklin Street located between
11:34:39 Tyler and Harrison street as more particularly
11:34:42 described herein subject to certain terms, covenants
11:34:44 conditions and agreements as more particularly
11:34:46 described herein providing an effective date.
11:34:47 >>SHAWN HARRISON: Motion and second.
11:34:49 Roll call vote.
11:34:51 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried with Alvarez and Miller
11:34:55 being absent.
11:34:57 >> Move to open 78.
11:34:59 >> Second.
11:34:59 (Motion carried).

11:35:00 >>SHAWN HARRISON: Is there anyone in the public who
11:35:04 would like to speak on item number 78?
11:35:06 >>KEVIN WHITE: Move to close.
11:35:08 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Second.
11:35:09 (Motion carried).
11:35:09 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Move to adopt the following
11:35:14 ordinance on second reading, an ordinance rezoning
11:35:17 property in the general vicinity of 402 south Melville
11:35:19 Avenue in the city of Tampa, Florida and more
11:35:21 particularly described in section 1 from zoning
11:35:23 district classifications RM-16 residential multifamily
11:35:27 to PD, single family attached, providing an effective
11:35:29 date.
11:35:29 I'll just say in making that motion I'm very proud
11:35:31 that the developer and the neighborhood were able to
11:35:34 work so well together to put forth a project on that
11:35:38 location, and also going to support it because it's
11:35:41 replacing multifamily with multifamily.
11:35:45 >>SHAWN HARRISON: Roll call vote.
11:35:51 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried with Alvarez and Miller
11:35:54 being absent.
11:36:00 >> Motion to open number 79.

11:36:01 >> Second.
11:36:02 (Motion carried).
11:36:03 >>SHAWN HARRISON: Is there anyone in the public that
11:36:05 would like to speak on item number 79?
11:36:07 >>KEVIN WHITE: Move to close.
11:36:09 >> Second.
11:36:09 (Motion carried).
11:36:11 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I move to adopt the following
11:36:13 ordinance upon second reading, an ordinance rezoning
11:36:16 property in the general vicinity of 2017 north
11:36:20 61st street in the city of Tampa, Florida more
11:36:22 particularly described in section 1 from zoning
11:36:24 district classifications RS-50 residential single
11:36:26 family to RM-24 residential multi-family providing an
11:36:30 effective date.
11:36:31 >>SHAWN HARRISON: Motion and second.
11:36:32 Roll call.
11:36:39 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried with Alvarez and Miller
11:36:41 being absent.
11:36:43 >>KEVIN WHITE: Move to open 80.
11:36:45 >> Second.
11:36:45 (Motion carried).

11:36:47 >>SHAWN HARRISON: Is there anyone in the public that
11:36:49 would like to speak on number 80?
11:36:52 >> Move to close.
11:36:52 >>: Second.
11:36:52 (Motion carried).
11:36:53 >>SHAWN HARRISON: Back to you, Mrs. Ferlita.
11:37:03 >>ROSE FERLITA: Move to adopt the following ordinance
11:37:05 on second reading, an ordinance rezoning property in
11:37:07 the general vicinity of 5000 West Gandy Boulevard in
11:37:10 the city of Tampa, Florida and more particularly
11:37:12 described in section 1 from zoning district
11:37:14 classifications PDA office retail restaurant hotel
11:37:18 residential to PDA office retail hotel residential
11:37:21 providing an effective date.
11:37:22 >>SHAWN HARRISON: We have a question on the motion.
11:37:24 Mrs. Saul-Sena.
11:37:24 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Thank you.
11:37:25 I know that in previous zonings portions of this
11:37:29 property I supported this.
11:37:30 And this is a very, very small containing.
11:37:35 It allows the two previous projects to connect.
11:37:39 But I want to share with my fellow council members

11:37:41 that each of those PDA requests which are very broad,
11:37:46 and I hope that in the future when large-scale
11:37:49 rezoning come to us they don't come in a PDA form,
11:37:53 they come in a PD form. This whole thing, so many
11:37:57 people, so many uses, I'm just concerned that we are
11:38:00 going to be introducing so many residents, and
11:38:03 offices, it will completely overhaul the
11:38:09 transportation system.
11:38:10 I'm hoping that Mr. LaMotte is able to work magic with
11:38:13 the consultant who is bringing back a report on Gandy
11:38:16 and Westshore.
11:38:16 But I am very concerned about this.
11:38:18 I feel it would be hypocritical to say I supported the
11:38:23 previous rezoning but I will say in the future, I
11:38:26 won't support any PDAs and look very carefully of
11:38:31 what's proposed because I don't want to disadvantage
11:38:33 our neighborhoods that are adjacent to this.
11:38:34 >>SHAWN HARRISON: Roll call.
11:38:44 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried with Alvarez and Miller
11:38:45 being absent.
11:38:51 >> Move to open 81.
11:38:52 >> Second.

11:38:52 (Motion carried).
11:38:53 >>SHAWN HARRISON: Anyone in the public that would like
11:38:55 to speak on 81?
11:38:57 >> Move to close.
11:38:58 >> Second.
11:38:58 (Motion carried).
11:38:58 >>SHAWN HARRISON: Mr. White, would you take 81,
11:39:02 please.
11:39:03 >>KEVIN WHITE: Move to adopt the following ordinance
11:39:05 upon second reading, an ordinance rezoning property in
11:39:07 the general vicinity of 3609 west Ohio Avenue in the
11:39:10 city of Tampa, Florida and more particularly described
11:39:11 in section 1 from zoning district classifications
11:39:14 RS-60 residential single family to RS-50 residential
11:39:18 single family providing an effective date.
11:39:21 >> Second.
11:39:21 >>SHAWN HARRISON: Motion and second.
11:39:23 Roll call.
11:39:26 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried with Alvarez and Miller
11:39:32 being absent.
11:39:35 >> Move to open 82.
11:39:37 >> Second.

11:39:37 (Motion carried).
11:39:38 >>SHAWN HARRISON: The hearing is open.
11:39:40 Is there anyone in the public that would like to speak
11:39:43 on number 82?
11:39:44 >> Move to close.
11:39:45 >> Second.
11:39:45 (Motion carried).
11:39:47 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Move to adopt the following
11:39:54 ordinance on second reading, an ordinance rezoning
11:39:58 property in the general vicinity of 10420 McKinley
11:40:01 drive, in the city of Tampa, Florida and more
11:40:03 particularly described in section 1 from zoning
11:40:06 district classification 1-H heavy industrial to PD
11:40:10 multifamily residential providing an effective date.
11:40:13 >> Second.
11:40:13 >>SHAWN HARRISON: We have a motion and second.
11:40:15 Roll call.
11:40:15 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried with Alvarez and Miller
11:40:27 being absent.
11:40:27 >>SHAWN HARRISON: What we are going to do is hold off
11:40:30 on 83 until the end of the agenda.
11:40:32 And we'll see where we're at after that.

11:40:36 We are going to go to item number 84.
11:40:39 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Move to open.
11:40:42 >> Second.
11:40:42 (Motion carried).
11:40:43 >>SAL TERRITO: Legal department.
11:40:49 Item number 84 is a bond, you have done these kind of
11:40:54 things before.
11:40:54 If you have any questions I will be happy to answer
11:40:56 them for you.
11:40:56 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Can you describe what that means,
11:40:59 general public bond, and potential liability to the
11:41:04 city?
11:41:04 >>> There is no liability to the city.
11:41:06 What ware doing is the University of Tampa is going to
11:41:08 be doing some work on parking, asks the City of Tampa
11:41:12 to issue bonds and they will be the one responsible
11:41:17 for the bonds.
11:41:18 The City of Tampa's name will be on the bonds.
11:41:19 It will have no financial responsibility for them.
11:41:22 And we get a fee for doing this as well.
11:41:26 >> Thank you.
11:41:27 We wish the University of Tampa well.

11:41:30 >>SHAWN HARRISON: Is there anyone in the public who
11:41:32 would like to speak on number 84?
11:41:35 >> Move to close.
11:41:36 >> Second.
11:41:36 >>SHAWN HARRISON: Motion to close and second.
11:41:38 (Motion carried).
11:41:42 >> Motion and second to move the resolution.
11:41:44 (Motion carried).
11:41:49 We have a motion to open number 85.
11:41:51 Mr. Shelby.
11:41:52 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I would ask council to open number 85
11:41:56 after number 88 and open them both together.
11:41:58 >>SHAWN HARRISON: Why can't we open both of them?
11:42:02 >>MARTIN SHELBY: You want to do 85 and 88 together
11:42:04 right now?
11:42:04 That's fine.
11:42:05 >> So moved.
11:42:06 >>> Second.
11:42:15 >>MARTIN SHELBY: My suggestion is 88 be addressed
11:42:16 first.
11:42:23 >>SHAWN HARRISON: If there is anyone in the public
11:42:24 that wants to speak on 88 please stand and raise your

11:42:28 right hand to be sworn.
11:42:30 (Oath administered by Clerk).
11:42:35 >>MARTIN SHELBY: When you state your name please
11:42:38 reaffirm that you were sworn.
11:42:39 Thank you.
11:42:40 Also, council, at this time I would ask that all
11:42:42 written communications relative to today's hearings
11:42:44 that have been available to the public at council
11:42:46 office be received and filed into the record at this
11:42:48 time.
11:42:49 >> So moved.
11:42:50 >> Second.
11:42:50 >>SHAWN HARRISON: All in favor of the motion please
11:42:53 signify by saying Aye.
11:42:54 Motion carried.
11:42:55 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Thank you.
11:42:56 Very quick reminder, if there has been any ex parte
11:42:59 communications relative to this, disclose that prayer
11:43:02 to the vote.
11:43:03 Thank you.
11:43:04 >>GLORIA MOREDA: Land development.
11:43:05 I have been sworn.

11:43:08 I can go into it if you like.
11:43:12 Council I think recalls the first public hearing was
11:43:15 rather lengthy.
11:43:16 This relates to the expanded Ybor City historic
11:43:18 district.
11:43:21 I sent a copy of the revised map that's shown in the
11:43:26 area that would be rezoned with the proposed revision
11:43:30 of the ordinance.
11:43:36 As well as RM-16.
11:43:37 I also included in your packet a sketch from the plan
11:43:40 amendments that's being reviewed by the Planning
11:43:42 Commission if he Adamo corridor.
11:43:45 I think there was a question at the first public
11:43:48 hearing exactly what the boundaries of that corridor
11:43:51 was.
11:43:53 It's been reviewed and you can see it is the area of
11:43:55 south second Avenue.
11:43:57 As well as the comparison of the district, CI, CIH, to
11:44:05 the YC-6 district.
11:44:07 You can see that there are less setback requirements
11:44:10 as well as the greater floor area, that's available to
11:44:15 properties that are in the industrial zoning district,

11:44:18 as well as higher densities capable between the RM-16
11:44:23 and the YC-2.
11:44:26 At the last meeting, City Council suggested that we
11:44:31 amend the maps to delete all the light land use
11:44:37 classification.
11:44:37 I only had one related to land use.
11:44:40 I have it on the Elmo now.
11:44:42 That's showing a gray area along Adamo that's been
11:44:48 deleted from the ordinance and that is reflected with
11:44:52 the yellow.
11:44:56 You can see along Adamo is still going to be IG zoning
11:45:01 district.
11:45:02 The rest goes to the YC-6.
11:45:04 I'm hear to answer any additional questions.
11:45:07 In terms of amendments to the YC-6 in terms of the
11:45:10 height of 60 feet, I want to make sure that council
11:45:16 understands my position in that amendment.
11:45:18 That amendment was my method of trying to make things
11:45:22 equal with the people that currently have the IG
11:45:27 zoning district, that is now changing to the YC-6.
11:45:31 If at the end of this public hearing council is
11:45:34 reconsidering the ordinance again, reducing the size

11:45:38 of the area that should be rezoned to the YC-6, I very
11:45:43 well may withdraw my request to amend, just because
11:45:48 there is much broader impact of that YC-6 amendment,
11:45:53 if council is going to further reduce the size of this
11:45:56 area being rezoned.
11:45:58 It might be better just to withdraw and begin again
11:46:02 after the corridor study is complete.
11:46:07 That's really all I have, if there are any other
11:46:09 questions.
11:46:10 >>SHAWN HARRISON: Are there any questions for Gloria?
11:46:12 Okay.
11:46:13 Is there anyone in the public that would like to speak
11:46:15 on either items 88 or 85?
11:46:28 >>> Williams, second Avenue, and I have been sworn in.
11:46:31 I have just a few things to say relative to what
11:46:36 transpired at the last public hearing on the issue.
11:46:38 It was stated pretty succinctly and it seemed like
11:46:42 that council was moved by the argument that many
11:46:44 homeowners by virtue of the fact that this land was
11:46:47 not rezoned were relegated to not being able to get
11:46:50 mortgages because of the IG zoning.
11:46:52 I would like to just take a minute to explain what

11:46:54 exactly the situation is.
11:47:02 Can you see this map?
11:47:03 If you look this part of the map that indicates all
11:47:08 the land owners that are either represented by
11:47:12 neighborhood associations, or part of the Adamo
11:47:16 corridor situation, who have asked you -- who have
11:47:19 asked you to delay this zoning until the plans are
11:47:22 complete.
11:47:24 You will see that 90, 95% of the land owners, and
11:47:29 those organizations representing land owners, have
11:47:32 asked you not to proceed.
11:47:33 It isn't as described at the last meeting that 200
11:47:38 land owners want you to proceed with this zoning and
11:47:43 20 or 30 do not.
11:47:44 The fact is it's just the opposite.
11:47:47 The vast majority of land owners, and their
11:47:51 organizations, have sent you a letter with respect
11:47:53 to -- with respect to the historic Ybor association
11:47:59 which represents the vast people in Ybor City along
11:48:03 with the Adamo corridor association.
11:48:05 There is only one parcel that is involved here, a very
11:48:07 small parcel that we have on the right-hand side in

11:48:12 this zoning.
11:48:13 In that parcel, at best, most of it is owned by land
11:48:17 speculators, and large real estate holders.
11:48:23 There is somewhere between 11 and 18 owner occupied
11:48:27 units there.
11:48:29 All I'm suggesting is that if the mortgage issue is
11:48:32 what is moving your decision, we will supply mortgages
11:48:38 to anybody in that IG area.
11:48:39 I'm just telling you, it won't be a problem for them.
11:48:42 I mean you're laughing at me, but I mean I'm serious
11:48:44 about that.
11:48:45 We supply mortgages all the time.
11:48:46 We'll treat those residences as if they were zoned
11:48:49 residential.
11:48:50 And if they are refused by conventional lenders IG
11:48:55 zoning, which, by the way, don't believe, we'll supply
11:48:58 the mortgage.
11:48:59 So the mortgage issue for the people that are impacted
11:49:01 by you delaying till the study is done is a nonissue.
11:49:05 We are prepared to commit to that and we are prepared
11:49:08 to fund that.
11:49:09 So all I'm asking you to do is leave it alone until we

11:49:14 get the plans done.
11:49:17 The variety majority of people want it that way.
11:49:20 Nobody is harmed.
11:49:22 And all we can do is benefit.
11:49:24 And there is no reason to rush.
11:49:26 Thank you.
11:49:30 Any questions?
11:49:30 >>SHAWN HARRISON: Thank you.
11:49:31 >>ROSE FERLITA: Mr. Harrison, I'm sitting here
11:49:34 listening and one case is not germane to the other
11:49:37 case or whatever.
11:49:38 But our presenters are becoming more and more
11:49:40 creative.
11:49:40 We had a developer who brought his model he will.
11:49:45 We have someone who wants to give mortgages.
11:49:48 But to raise the point -- I mean, just in theory, if
11:49:52 they are denied by commercial lender, I mean, you can
11:49:56 be competitive as somebody else?
11:49:58 >>> We'll just hire a commercial lender.
11:50:02 Any bank people want.
11:50:03 But real estate speculators, people who want to live
11:50:09 know those, we give mortgages all the time.

11:50:12 It's more important to us to get the planning done
11:50:15 well in Ybor City.
11:50:19 >>SHAWN HARRISON: Thank you, sir.
11:50:20 I have some land I would like you to take a look at.
11:50:27 >>MOSES KNOTT, JR.: I reside at 2902 East Ellicott
11:50:30 street.
11:50:32 But I came here -- I'm a long-time of property rights.
11:50:42 In fact, we try to defend people's property.
11:50:48 But this is scary right now.
11:50:51 And I'm telling you all, speaking as a resident and
11:50:54 the people about this land owner, always tell people
11:50:57 that you don't own no land today.
11:51:00 You are being told what to do with your land.
11:51:02 You can't do what you want to do with your land.
11:51:05 You can buy land and hold it for 20 years and one day
11:51:10 something like this, you can't do what you want to do.
11:51:13 So this is the thing.
11:51:16 I was sitting here listening to you all this morning.
11:51:19 I looked on the paper and seen the zoning here.
11:51:21 And I seen where it says IG.
11:51:24 That put me out of business.
11:51:25 My property was zoned RM-1 and they tried to brainwash

11:51:31 me and I got a lawyer looked it up, told me, don't you
11:51:34 worry, M-1 and IG is the same.
11:51:39 So my lawyer looked it up and it was different as
11:51:43 daylight and dark.
11:51:44 That's why I'm a Booker man today.
11:51:46 It scared me awhile ago when I looked back there.
11:51:49 On this zoning here they said it was changed.
11:51:55 The IG took the place of M-1 in this town, which was a
11:51:59 lie.
11:51:59 It didn't take the place.
11:52:01 M-1 was heavy duty.
11:52:03 So I see where it changed IG that put me out of
11:52:06 business.
11:52:07 And Y-2, the thing Y-2 something like that took the
11:52:12 place of IG.
11:52:16 And if you look at the fine print it ain't that way.
11:52:19 So I'm sitting here awhile ago looking at it, and
11:52:23 that's why I came here all the time.
11:52:24 I got a part-time job all the time.
11:52:29 I came here today.
11:52:31 Good thing I saw this.
11:52:32 But please hold this thing.

11:52:34 Because like I said, for you all to tell people
11:52:39 outside of the zone, I don't have none of my neighbors
11:52:42 here.
11:52:42 People all over town, come in my neighborhood and do
11:52:45 this and do this, and agree to change the zoning, but
11:52:48 the neighbors didn't know nothing about it.
11:52:51 Two of my neighbors died, and came to me and said we
11:52:56 didn't know our property was going to get downgraded
11:52:58 to IG, to M-1.
11:53:01 But please hold this thing.
11:53:02 Because this city going too far telling people what
11:53:05 they can do with their property.
11:53:06 I mean, too far.
11:53:10 Please hold this thing down and -- I guarantee you,
11:53:16 neighbors that live in this area don't know about this
11:53:19 zoning.
11:53:19 Thank you.
11:53:19 >>SHAWN HARRISON: Thank you, Mr. Knott.
11:53:21 Next.
11:53:26 >>MICHAEL CHEN: Director of urban development.
11:53:28 I haven't been sworn in.
11:53:29 >>SHAWN HARRISON: You better be.

11:53:34 (Oath administered by Clerk).
11:53:39 >>> In terms of this zoning, there's been a lot of
11:53:41 discussion about studies, corridor studies and so
11:53:44 forth.
11:53:45 And I thought it would be worthwhile to bring you some
11:53:47 current and accurate information on this.
11:53:51 The corridor study actually came to my desk
11:53:54 approximately six weeks or so ago.
11:53:56 And urban development department has decided that it
11:54:02 will and it is appropriate for us to undertake and
11:54:04 manage or administrate the studies to be done, because
11:54:09 there are a number of districts that converge on the
11:54:13 Adamo corridor.
11:54:15 You have a small segment of Channel District that
11:54:18 overlaps in here.
11:54:19 You have a small segment of Ybor that overlaps in
11:54:21 here.
11:54:21 And then you have some undesignated CRA areas.
11:54:27 Excuse me, I guess areas that are not designated CRA.
11:54:31 And, therefore, we need someone approaching this
11:54:34 that's a bit more comprehensive than simply, for
11:54:37 instance, Ybor managing this study as a CRA activity.

11:54:44 It was determined, because of the importance and
11:54:47 relevance of understanding the historic issues
11:54:51 associated with the landmark designation of Ybor, that
11:54:53 it would be appropriate to initiate a corridor study
11:54:58 with first the historical evaluation of potential
11:55:00 impacts, and guidelines and cautions that should be
11:55:05 exercised.
11:55:05 As Lou at a corridor study in the context of its
11:55:10 proximity to Ybor.
11:55:11 And just late yesterday afternoon, I think we found a
11:55:16 consultant through Historic Preservation Commission.
11:55:21 I think we have found a consultant who can undertake
11:55:25 that portion of the study to provide us some
11:55:26 guidelines to begin with.
11:55:30 It's something that I will explore a little more for
11:55:33 detail.
11:55:34 Hopefully yet today.
11:55:36 But it's something that we can move forward quickly.
11:55:40 It's a short peace of work to be done.
11:55:42 And it provides some very special guidelines in
11:55:45 association of a corridor study due to its proximity
11:55:49 to Ybor.

11:55:50 >>SHAWN HARRISON: Mr. Chen, is the administration then
11:55:53 asking for us to continue this matter?
11:55:55 >>MICHAEL CHEN: Actually, I'm not trying to take a
11:55:57 position either way in how you handle the zoning.
11:55:59 I just want to let you know that we are moving forward
11:56:03 with corridor studies and zoning studies, that will
11:56:07 support what other direction you go with some time.
11:56:13 >>SHAWN HARRISON: What would be the point of doing the
11:56:14 study if we rezone this?
11:56:16 >>MICHAEL CHEN: Because I would suspect that if it's
11:56:19 determined through a historic study that a corridor
11:56:21 study is indeed appropriate, I think that it's
11:56:25 possible that you would find that a corridor study
11:56:27 would come up with ideas, uses, densities and heights,
11:56:32 that would suggest that additional thought be given.
11:56:37 >>SHAWN HARRISON: Mr. Dingfelder?
11:56:39 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I'm confused.
11:56:41 Mr. Chen, in a pre-briefing on this probably would
11:56:45 have been better.
11:56:48 It's my understanding that there is a study that's
11:56:52 already going to happen in the Planning Commission.
11:56:56 Maybe that's why Mr. Haas is here.

11:57:00 I don't know.
11:57:00 But there's a plan amendment already -- associated
11:57:09 with that plan amendment, there will be a corridor
11:57:11 study.
11:57:13 You're aware of that?
11:57:14 >>MICHAEL CHEN: I understood from testimony that I
11:57:17 have heard from Mr. Williams that there has been a
11:57:23 history for him personally.
11:57:24 I'm not sure.
11:57:25 That are close to Planning Commission to do a
11:57:28 redevelopment study or redevelopment designation for
11:57:33 the area.
11:57:35 We have lad at this in terms of a broad and
11:57:41 comprehensive corridor study that would include
11:57:44 everything from an evaluation of infra structure to
11:57:48 what could be design characters, massing, height
11:57:54 limitations and density recommendations that will come
11:57:58 out not unlike what is kind of coming to a conclusion
11:58:03 in the Channel District.
11:58:03 I guess it's --
11:58:06 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: It's probably cost effective that
11:58:08 we don't duplicate efforts too much.

11:58:12 The plan amendment, Mrs. Moreda just handed it, the
11:58:19 designation of Adamo drive as a redevelopment corridor
11:58:22 and the way it was described to us with testimony at
11:58:24 the prior hearing was that it would be a very
11:58:27 comprehensive analysis, probably including all the
11:58:31 issues that you just mentioned.
11:58:32 I'm not saying what we should or shouldn't do.
11:58:34 I'm just saying we need to pinch our pennies and make
11:58:40 sure we don't duplicate effort.
11:58:42 >>MICHAEL CHEN: I would certainly agree but I will
11:58:45 tell you we have been out in the community and we have
11:58:47 discussed the plans to do these studies.
11:58:50 This has been discussed in the context of the YCDC
11:58:54 advisory committee.
11:58:56 And I have had numerous conversations directly with
11:58:58 Mr. Williams to advise him how we would approach this
11:59:02 and how we are undertaking the study.
11:59:05 And.
11:59:06 >> And who would pay for your study?
11:59:08 >>MICHAEL CHEN: This is something that we would have
11:59:10 to work out a funding source.
11:59:11 As I said, there are two CRAs that overlap the area.

11:59:15 I think it would be appropriate for a pro rata share
11:59:20 perhaps based on land area to come from these CRAs
11:59:23 and then the rest would have to come in some form of
11:59:26 CIP approval.
11:59:28 >>SHAWN HARRISON: How long do you think this study
11:59:30 will take?
11:59:31 >>MICHAEL CHEN: I would expect the historic piece of
11:59:33 it shouldn't take more than a couple of weeks and we
11:59:35 would know what our guidelines are.
11:59:39 >>SHAWN HARRISON: Would anyone else in the public like
11:59:41 to speak on items 88 or 85?
11:59:44 Ms. Moreda?
11:59:50 >>GLORIA MOREDA: I wanted to comment as it relates to
11:59:52 any continuance.
11:59:55 I think it's good that the study of the corridor is
11:59:57 happening, either through the plan amendment or
12:00:00 through urban development handling that study.
12:00:04 But in terms of what's before you today, the YC-6
12:00:09 that's being proposed, the legal description that's
12:00:11 before you for amendment, consistent with today's
12:00:14 comprehensive plan, it's allowing the properties that
12:00:17 are in the general mixed use, it allows for

12:00:21 residential development, even though they may be
12:00:23 currently zoned industrial, to be developed for
12:00:26 residential use, which is the trend of that area.
12:00:29 This re zoning before you is a good entrance step.
12:00:34 No matter what the results of the corridor studies
12:00:39 present, you know, the final results of those studies,
12:00:45 whatever the explanation is.
12:00:47 The reality is very well we may be back before you to
12:00:51 create a new YC district that is going to carry the
12:00:55 vision forward into the future.
12:01:01 But the YC-6 offers a good first step in getting that
12:01:04 expanded, Ybor Historic District into YC designation,
12:01:08 which are what were designed for in the historic
12:01:11 district.
12:01:11 I just urge council not to delay it any further.
12:01:14 Let's move on with this ordinance.
12:01:17 If council is inclined to continue it, I think at this
12:01:22 point we should just withdraw.
12:01:24 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Ms. Moreda, when did you begin with
12:01:29 the transition to YC-6?
12:01:32 >>GLORIA MOREDA: 2004.
12:01:34 >>SHAWN HARRISON: Motion to close.

12:01:35 Second.
12:01:36 All in favor?
12:01:38 (Motion carried)
12:01:39 Mr. Shelby?
12:01:40 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Yes, council.
12:01:41 Procedurally, to inform council, that this was a
12:01:45 scheduled second public hearing pursuant to Florida
12:01:47 statute.
12:01:49 Based on your motion to staff that has presented you
12:01:53 an ordinance for first reading, and what would happen
12:01:55 then is this public hearing be closed, it would be
12:02:00 read and presented a first reading and would come back
12:02:03 then in two weeks time for a second reading without a
12:02:06 public hearing, this being the second public hearing
12:02:08 on this subject.
12:02:12 You would need to reopen the public hearing?
12:02:17 >>THE CLERK: For second hearing we are required to
12:02:20 notice, so there would be another public hearing.
12:02:27 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Would it have to be readvertised
12:02:29 then?
12:02:34 >>GLORIA MOREDA: I wanted to say rezoning public
12:02:40 hearing should occur first and if it's decided you

12:02:42 don't want to move forward we will also follow the
12:02:44 text amendment with whatever you do.
12:02:49 >>SHAWN HARRISON: So we need to take 88 first.
12:02:53 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I'd like to move this ordinance for
12:02:58 adoption upon second reading.
12:02:59 An ordinance -- -- move this ordinance being presented
12:03:13 for first reading for consideration, an ordinance
12:03:15 providing for area rezoning in the general vicinity
12:03:19 east of 14th street, south of 9th Avenue, west
12:03:22 of 26th street and north of Adamo drive in the
12:03:24 city of Tampa, Florida from zoning district
12:03:27 classifications IG industrial general to YC-6
12:03:30 community commercial from RM-16 residential
12:03:33 multifamily to YC-2 residential from IH industrial
12:03:40 heavy to YC 6 community commercial and from CI
12:03:44 commercial intensive to YC-6 community commercial
12:03:47 providing for notice.
12:03:50 >> Second.
12:03:51 >> I think we have come up with a compromise that is
12:03:53 good and I would like to move ahead with this.
12:03:55 >>SHAWN HARRISON: Further discussion on the motion?
12:03:58 >>ROSE FERLITA: Now that I listen to Mr. Chen in

12:04:00 addition to Ms. Moreda, and she has been pretty
12:04:03 consistent, I have a little bit of an issue with it.
12:04:08 >>SHAWN HARRISON: Further discussion?
12:04:10 Mr. Dingfelder?
12:04:12 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Can I get a little clarification
12:04:14 from staff?
12:04:16 >>SHAWN HARRISON: We would have to reopen.
12:04:21 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: So he can indulge me for a second.
12:04:24 November reopen.
12:04:25 >> Second.
12:04:25 (Motion carried).
12:04:26 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I'm a little confused by what
12:04:32 Mrs. Ferlita as to what you said, Mrs. Moreda.
12:04:38 From your perspective, we have excised the area
12:04:42 between Adamo and, whatever, first or second.
12:04:46 >>GLORIA MOREDA: Second is deleted.
12:04:49 From 22nd west to.
12:04:53 >>: So with that compromise, perhaps it's not your
12:04:58 druthers but with that compromise you are still
12:05:00 comfortable moving forward with the rest of
12:05:02 Cincinnati.
12:05:03 >>> Yes.

12:05:04 >> And to move forward with the rest of it and that's
12:05:07 your recommendation?
12:05:08 >>> Yes.
12:05:09 >> Motion to close.
12:05:10 >> Second.
12:05:10 (Motion carried).
12:05:10 >>SHAWN HARRISON: Will you read the motion then?
12:05:16 Okay.
12:05:18 We have a motion and a second.
12:05:20 Do we do roll call on this?
12:05:23 All in favor of the motion signify by saying Aye.
12:05:25 Opposed, Nay.
12:05:33 The motion will be carried over until next week.
12:05:37 We go back to 88.
12:05:43 >>MARTIN SHELBY: That was regard to 8 -- now with
12:05:47 regard to 85.
12:05:49 You want to continue this to the same time.
12:05:53 >>SHAWN HARRISON: Just continue this to next week.
12:05:56 Motion and second to continue 85 to next week.
12:05:59 All in favor signify by saying Aye.
12:06:01 All right.
12:06:01 Council, we are now at 12:05.

12:06:04 I think we can be done by 12:30 if we want to try to
12:06:08 blow through.
12:06:08 Otherwise, we'll break for lunch and come back at 1:30
12:06:11 per hour rules.
12:06:12 >>ROSE FERLITA: I hate to mess this up.
12:06:20 I'm not going to be able to stay.
12:06:21 I don't know -- can I say yes to -- I don't know that
12:06:28 we can do that.
12:06:31 >>SHAWN HARRISON: It has to be unanimous in order to
12:06:33 stay anyway.
12:06:33 >>MARTIN SHELBY: The vote has to be unanimous but you
12:06:38 can still proceed with a quorum.
12:06:41 >>SHAWN HARRISON: Unless there's a motion to waive the
12:06:46 rules we'll be back at 1:30.
12:06:48 We'll be back at 1:30.
13:26:35 Tampa City Council
13:29:00 1:30 p.m. session
13:37:24 [Sounding gavel]

13:37:25 >>SHAWN HARRISON: Tampa City Council is called back
13:37:26 into session.
13:37:27 Roll call.
13:37:31 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Here.
13:37:32 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Here.
13:37:34 >>ROSE FERLITA: Here.
13:37:37 >>SHAWN HARRISON: Here.
13:37:38 We have a few items left over from this morning.
13:37:41 We'll start off with item number 18, which was the
13:37:44 resolution renaming Seminole Heights community center,
13:37:47 the Wayne C. Papy athletic center.
13:37:51 Mr. Dingfelder, you had some questions.
13:37:53 Have those been resolved?
13:37:54 >> Just a quick comment.
13:37:55 For one thing I think I can speak on behalf of all
13:37:58 council that isn't it wonderful that we are honoring
13:38:01 Wayne Papy by naming a community center after him.
13:38:04 And Wayne, I guess, worked for the city for probably
13:38:08 30 years, and was really dedicated.
13:38:10 Number one.
13:38:11 Number two, and I talked to Karen Palus about this.
13:38:17 This is number 18.

13:38:18 I thought we sort of had established kind of an
13:38:20 informal policy that moving to name something after
13:38:26 somebody, and this came up on the Kwane Doster center
13:38:31 in Tampa, that we would try to maintain the geographic
13:38:35 reference point at the same time.
13:38:37 So while we are in the process of honoring Wayne,
13:38:40 which is wonderful, I feel like we should consider
13:38:46 ultimately the center would be the Wayne Papy Seminole
13:38:49 Heights athletic center.
13:38:51 So that way, we keep the geographical reference but
13:38:56 also honor the person.
13:38:57 I talked to Karen Palus about that.
13:38:59 She said she's good with it either way.
13:39:01 And I have that in an e-mail from her.
13:39:04 She also spoke with Seminole Heights leaders what's
13:39:10 his name?
13:39:11 Anyway, she spoke with him and he said he was good
13:39:13 with it either way as well.
13:39:15 So I just think from policy perspective, maybe if we
13:39:18 want to keep consistent, and as much as possible keep
13:39:21 that geographic reference, we should.
13:39:23 >>ROSE FERLITA: John, simply because there's another

13:39:30 athletic center someplace else, we could name it after
13:39:33 somebody, Forest Hills athletic center? Is that
13:39:38 you're saying?
13:39:40 >> As long as the geographic centers have the
13:39:42 geographic reference I don't think we should just dump
13:39:45 them and put the name on it.
13:39:47 >>ROSE FERLITA: As opposed to a unit that's maybe just
13:39:49 being built and there's no tag name with it.
13:39:52 >> Brand new in the community, geographic reference is
13:39:55 critical, but I don't care.
13:39:56 But this center has been around -- I know my little
13:40:00 brother used to go there.
13:40:02 And it's always been the Seminole Heights center.
13:40:04 >> What were you doing in Seminole Heights?
13:40:06 I'm kidding.
13:40:08 >> Like Kevin --
13:40:10 >> No, you're not like Kevin.
13:40:12 Don't ever claim that.
13:40:16 >>SHAWN HARRISON: in any event we can pass the
13:40:18 resolution and then we can leave it to the
13:40:20 administration to work out how they want to -- I think
13:40:22 we need to --

13:40:25 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I think we need to modify the
13:40:27 resolution.
13:40:27 >> Just one week.
13:40:28 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Does it have to be one week?
13:40:33 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: She has to order the sign and
13:40:37 everything else.
13:40:38 >>MARTIN SHELBY: It wouldn't come through doc agenda
13:40:41 otherwise.
13:40:42 >>THE CLERK: (off microphone)
13:40:47 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: If the clerk can manage it I'll
13:40:49 move to continue for a week with the combination name.
13:40:52 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Second.
13:40:53 >>SHAWN HARRISON: Motion and second.
13:40:57 Motion carried.
13:41:02 We are going to move to item number 83.
13:41:08 >> Motion to open.
13:41:10 >> Second.
13:41:10 (Motion carried).
13:41:11 >>SHAWN HARRISON: Do we need to swear in witnesses for
13:41:17 this?
13:41:19 >> No.
13:41:23 >>> Item 83 is the public hearing regarding the

13:41:27 formation of the community redevelopment area for
13:41:29 Central Park Village.
13:41:31 The city has engaged the Planning Commission to do the
13:41:35 existing -- to do the existing condition study.
13:41:41 And so with that I think we can start with Jim hovered
13:41:48 representing Planning Commission to present their
13:41:52 findings.
13:41:54 >> My name is Jim Hosberg, team leader for research
13:42:00 community development with the Planning Commission.
13:42:01 I was going to introduce Mike English so you can kind
13:42:05 of picture Mike English being here at the same time.
13:42:08 But Mike had to go to an appointment in Clearwater so
13:42:16 he won't be able to give the presentation that I was
13:42:18 going to introduce for him.
13:42:19 Late last year we, being the Planning Commission, by
13:42:23 city administration, to do the study.
13:42:28 We engaged Wilson Miller.
13:42:30 We had a great working relationship, a team effort.
13:42:33 For example, whenever we did the structure surveys,
13:42:36 there was someone from each organization in the
13:42:38 vehicles so there was two people making the call on
13:42:40 the building.

13:42:43 With that, you have got with you in your packet the
13:42:47 existing condition study.
13:42:49 I have a PowerPoint here I am going to go through
13:42:52 fairly rapidly.
13:42:57 Just to kind of hit the highlights.
13:43:00 So this is the Central Park Village study area,
13:43:03 existing conditions report.
13:43:05 The statute that we're operating under today is
13:43:08 chapter 163.330 of the Florida statute that deals with
13:43:11 community redevelopment areas which.
13:43:14 What you are being asked to do is to approve the
13:43:16 Central Park study area that's in the -- included with
13:43:20 the geographic description in your packet as
13:43:23 relates -- slum and blighted area under chapter 163.
13:43:31 Just in general, some general data on the area.
13:43:35 To give you an idea about where the area is, it's 114
13:43:42 acres.
13:43:42 You can see that it's nestled somewhat between the
13:43:49 Ybor City -- Ybor 1 and Ybor 2 and also the downtown
13:43:53 CRA.
13:43:54 So it kind of completes a range of CRAs that would
13:43:58 run from all the way from Ybor down to downtown to the

13:44:03 river.
13:44:06 So that study area in the middle is the area that we
13:44:08 are talking about.
13:44:11 It should be in your packet.
13:44:13 So just some general data on the area, the dock --
13:44:17 that documents the fact the conditions exist, mean
13:44:23 area income, 10,437 dollars, if you can imagine that,
13:44:27 median household income.
13:44:28 That's $24,000 less than the city as a whole.
13:44:31 59% of the residents live in poverty.
13:44:35 52% of the children live in poverty.
13:44:38 You can go on down the page.
13:44:40 49% of the residents do not have a vehicle, compared
13:44:45 with 13% city-wide.
13:44:47 And 31% of the residents use city transportation or
13:44:55 they walk.
13:44:56 So let's visit the Florida statute that we are dealing
13:44:58 with.
13:44:58 That's chapter 163.
13:45:04 >> Would you go to that slide?
13:45:05 There's an amazing statistic in there. It's not just
13:45:08 the study area.

13:45:08 But 37% of the City of Tampa's children live in
13:45:12 poverty?
13:45:13 Is that what that --
13:45:14 >>> Yes, sir.
13:45:18 >> That's incredible.
13:45:20 I'm not sure that information was widely known.
13:45:28 Florida statute chapter 163, believe me, when we did
13:45:31 East Tampa and the other CRAs, we took a look at
13:45:35 this.
13:45:37 An area in which there's a substantial number of
13:45:39 deteriorated structures and conditions as indicated by
13:45:43 government maintained statistics.
13:45:45 So we were given a guideline of chapter 163, very
13:45:50 specific about the things you look at.
13:45:52 Or other studies, or economic distress or in danger,
13:45:59 and in which two or more of the following factors are
13:46:01 present.
13:46:01 So there's 14 factors.
13:46:04 To tell you the end of the story at the beginning, 7
13:46:06 of the 14 factors are met within the Central Park
13:46:08 Village area.
13:46:23 >> What is the family income that would make a child

13:46:26 living in poverty?
13:46:30 >>> Depends on the size of the family.
13:46:31 If it's different criteria, a 4 person household or 5
13:46:35 person household or 6 person household, and don't have
13:46:37 that number on the top of my head.
13:46:39 >> Do you have any of those numbers?
13:46:41 >>> If somebody is listening from the Planning
13:46:42 Commission, they can call over here and I can get
13:46:45 them.
13:46:45 But at this point I don't have them.
13:46:47 I can certainly call back with that.
13:46:50 >> What kind of ballpark are we talking about?
13:46:54 >>> Ballpark, 80% of the median, ballpark would be
13:46:59 about $24,000.
13:47:01 For the city as a whole.
13:47:02 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Thank you.
13:47:10 >>> Again that's off the top of my head.
13:47:12 So we are going to go to the specific criteria.
13:47:16 And the first criteria, substantial number of the tier
13:47:21 18 structures, there's very specific definitions for
13:47:24 this.
13:47:24 As you can see, out of the roughly 200 structures in

13:47:29 the area, if you add together the tier 18, you get
13:47:37 46.9% of the structures meet the criteria.
13:47:41 To give you a comparison, when East Tampa was declared
13:47:45 a slum and blighted area, or blighted, it had 36% of
13:47:50 the structures that fell into that category.
13:47:54 So this is several percentage points higher than East
13:47:56 Tampa.
13:47:57 And the way this was done is went out in vehicles and
13:48:01 looked at every single building, Wilson Miller, my
13:48:04 office, went out in a car and checked, and we have a
13:48:08 record of each building by address.
13:48:12 So the first criteria, there are several factors that
13:48:18 help this criteria be met which is a predominance of
13:48:22 inadequate street layout, parking facilities,
13:48:25 roadways, bridges, public transportation facilities,
13:48:29 anybody who is in the area know there's a high number
13:48:31 of dead-end streets.
13:48:34 The parking lots are unmarked and unpaved with unclear
13:48:38 access points.
13:48:42 Again these are different factors that substantiate.
13:48:46 Lack of bike lines, clear cross paths and traffic
13:48:51 calming features.

13:48:54 Sidewalks are inadequate throughout the study area.
13:49:01 Several bus stops are uncomfortable, unsafe, and
13:49:06 routes can be inconvenient.
13:49:07 Four of the five local bus routes run from downtown to
13:49:10 the local transit area and one goes to Brandon.
13:49:12 And the transfers are very inconvenient, keeping in
13:49:17 mind 31% of the population in that area uses public
13:49:20 transit.
13:49:22 Criteria 2.
13:49:23 Move to the third criteria that's met, which is faulty
13:49:29 layout as to size, adequacy, usefulness.
13:49:32 Extremely poor connectivity.
13:49:34 Again that's an obvious thing if you drive through the
13:49:36 area.
13:49:37 With the CSX and the GP complex, it's incredibly
13:49:44 difficult to get a grid network in the area.
13:49:47 Criteria 4 is unsafe or unsanitary conditions.
13:49:52 Property aesthetics are generally with one might
13:49:55 characterize, not use the word poor but not well
13:50:00 maintained. The main thoroughfare on Nebraska has
13:50:03 little or no landscaping treatment and minimal
13:50:05 pedestrian access.

13:50:08 Again, more criteria for more evidence for criteria,
13:50:12 for the fourth criteria, which is unsafe bike and
13:50:15 pedestrian environment due to narrow sidewalks, poor
13:50:18 conditions, the crosswalks.
13:50:21 More evidence for criteria 4, illegal dump sites in
13:50:27 the area and standing water in the roadway.
13:50:31 Another piece of evidence for criteria 4 with the high
13:50:35 occurrence of traffic accidents in the area at several
13:50:38 intersections.
13:50:39 You can see there is a high incidence.
13:50:41 Now we go onto the fifth criteria, five out of seven,
13:50:45 which is the deterioration of sites or other
13:50:47 improvements.
13:50:49 The condition of street signage is generally poor or
13:50:52 nonexistent.
13:50:55 Water, wastewater, potable water and stormwater
13:50:57 facilities are all in need of replacement and or
13:51:00 improvement in the area.
13:51:01 We have statements from all three utilities that
13:51:04 support that.
13:51:08 Criteria 6, which is inadequate and outdated density
13:51:13 patterns, 92 vacant parcels in the area, which was --

13:51:18 which comprise 12 acres, equal to 53% are vacant and
13:51:23 11% of the land area.
13:51:25 And more evidence supporting inadequate and outdated
13:51:29 building density patterns.
13:51:30 The development patterns in the area are outdated and
13:51:33 substantially underdeveloped, zoning and land use
13:51:36 designations allow more dense and intense development.
13:51:39 Much more dense development will occur.
13:51:47 Criteria 7, 7 out of the 14, crime in the area is
13:51:51 higher than the remainder of the county or the city.
13:51:54 The annual crime rate in the area averages .39 per
13:51:58 capita -- crimes per capita per person compared to 1.8
13:52:02 crimes per capita per person.
13:52:04 That's about two and a half times the rate that it is
13:52:07 city-wide.
13:52:09 So, in summary, the study that's being presented to
13:52:16 you today, we feel document 7 of the 14 criteria, and
13:52:20 we are happy to take questions of a technical nature.
13:52:26 Michael Chen is here to answer any other type of
13:52:29 questions.
13:52:33 >> Thank you.
13:52:33 Very thorough and we appreciate the efforts of Wilson

13:52:38 as well.
13:52:38 When you have that statistic up, Jim, that spoke to --
13:52:42 I think the numbers came out to almost 15%
13:52:45 deteriorating.
13:52:48 That was buildings, not residences, correct?
13:52:53 >>> That was total number of structures.
13:52:55 Every single structure in the area.
13:52:56 >> So I think if we looked at residential unit, it
13:53:01 would probably be even significantly higher, right?
13:53:04 Because basically I'm going to conclude that Central
13:53:06 Park Village itself, all those buildings probably fell
13:53:09 into --
13:53:11 >>> Yes, they did.
13:53:12 >> Deteriorating or deteriorated?
13:53:14 >>> Right.
13:53:15 >> So the percentage if you looked at residences, it
13:53:17 would be even much higher than 50%?
13:53:20 >>> That's likely, yes, sir.
13:53:21 >> And how about what you call Tampa park?
13:53:24 How did those buildings come out?
13:53:26 Did they come out on the plus side or deteriorated?
13:53:29 >>> All those buildings were sound, sir.

13:53:31 >> They appear to be?
13:53:33 >>> Yes, they appear to be.
13:53:34 Very well kept, very well maintained, very well
13:53:36 painted.
13:53:37 So they are very well maintained.
13:53:40 >> Just a personal note.
13:53:43 Anecdote.
13:53:44 I used to teach over at Booker T. Washington.
13:53:47 I think I used to mention that before.
13:53:51 I taught there two years.
13:53:52 My students for a great extent came from Tampa park or
13:53:54 from Central Park Village across the street.
13:53:57 And the difference was pretty amazing in terms of,
13:54:03 like you said, how the buildings are kept up, and sort
13:54:07 of the pride or lack of pride that surrounds all of
13:54:11 that.
13:54:12 And frankly, even the students, the attitude of the
13:54:16 students was different from one side of the street to
13:54:18 the other, which is really pretty amazing.
13:54:20 So I think that ultimately when we improve the living
13:54:24 conditions for all those folks, especially in Central
13:54:27 Park Village, you know, we'll be producing better

13:54:31 young citizens through our school system and in our
13:54:34 city as well.
13:54:37 >>SHAWN HARRISON: Any other questions or comments?
13:54:39 >>ROSE FERLITA: Thank you, Mr. Harrison.
13:54:42 I don't know if this is for Mr. Chen.
13:54:47 Jim, it obviously qualifies for what we are trying to
13:54:50 do.
13:54:51 As I understand the process is supposed to be, people
13:54:54 that live in this area, have they been notified that
13:54:58 their properties are perhaps extra for the category of
13:55:03 slum and blight?
13:55:04 >>> There have been efforts made, yes.
13:55:10 There have been heavily attended meetings organized
13:55:12 through the housing authority that have been ongoing
13:55:15 for I think upwards of 8 to 9 months.
13:55:19 >>ROSE FERLITA: And I don't know.
13:55:20 And maybe you can answer that.
13:55:23 It says there have been efforts made.
13:55:26 Are we qualifying in terms of what we are required to
13:55:28 do?
13:55:29 >>> You are not required to do anything.
13:55:31 >>ROSE FERLITA: Oh, really?

13:55:32 Okay.
13:55:33 >>> But made great strides.
13:55:39 And apparently, the majority of people that come to
13:55:42 these meetings are very happy to see what's happening.
13:55:48 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: This council has been working for
13:55:50 quite some time to replace Central Park Village with
13:55:54 something that's more up to standards than upper
13:55:59 quality neighborhood, the CRA process would move that
13:56:04 process along.
13:56:05 Based on the recommendation of blight today, I propose
13:56:07 we designate Central Park Village as an area.
13:56:12 >>SHAWN HARRISON: We'll see if we have any more public
13:56:14 comment.
13:56:15 Mr. White, did you have any comments?
13:56:20 >>KEVIN WHITE: I just wanted to address -- then I want
13:56:24 to apologize for my tardiness.
13:56:26 I was in a meeting with Bonnie Wise, director of
13:56:29 budget and finance.
13:56:30 We have a new upcoming budget.
13:56:32 So it went a little late.
13:56:37 >>SHAWN HARRISON: No problem.
13:56:40 Is there anyone else in the public that would like to

13:56:42 speak on number 83?
13:56:43 Okay.
13:56:45 >>ROSE FERLITA: I thought this was going to be a
13:56:47 longer presentation.
13:56:51 And I guess it's back to you, sir, or Mr. Shelby can
13:56:55 bail you out.
13:56:56 Thank you.
13:57:01 I know my colleagues had a chance to talk to Mr. Chen
13:57:04 as well and we had a conversation yesterday.
13:57:08 We have the issue or the responsibility of getting an
13:57:12 interlocal agreement.
13:57:13 Can we do this one in blight legally before we do the
13:57:16 interlocal agreement?
13:57:18 >>> Yes, I think you can because the real key to this
13:57:20 is -- the next step would be preparing a CRA plan for
13:57:24 the area.
13:57:26 Before it affects -- can go into effect there must be
13:57:30 some conclusion of that between county and city.
13:57:32 For those you who may oar may not be familiar with
13:57:35 this the city and county entered into an interlocal
13:57:38 agreement several years ago saying if we created any
13:57:41 CRA areas that the city and county would designate the

13:57:44 size, duration and tax increment financing split that
13:57:46 would be done.
13:57:47 That has not been completed.
13:57:49 Doing this will not throw that off track.
13:57:51 But before we can do anything formally obviously we
13:57:54 have to have an interlocal agreement.
13:57:55 >>ROSE FERLITA: And I guess the reason for my
13:57:58 question, my line of questions, is because I want to
13:58:00 be cautious and not have us make -- or have the same
13:58:06 problem as before.
13:58:07 And in my conversation was Mr. Chen yesterday, he said
13:58:10 given how fast we want to try to move this along,
13:58:14 there would be some horse trading with the county.
13:58:17 And my question is this:
13:58:18 In an effort to have us look at a more improved
13:58:22 relationship, if you would, than the last time around,
13:58:25 I guess we go back to Mr. Chen.
13:58:30 So I have another question, Sal.
13:58:32 Has our mayor or our administration talked to the
13:58:34 county commissioners?
13:58:39 >>MICHAEL CHEN: There are several levels of
13:58:41 approaching dialogue.

13:58:41 In terms of the intergovernmental agreement, the law
13:58:46 department actually made an approach to the county law
13:58:48 department, probably upwards of four months ago, with
13:58:54 our proposed draft.
13:58:57 The interlocal agreement as it would apply to Central
13:58:59 Park Village.
13:59:01 There has been some ongoing dialogue with that.
13:59:04 There's also been dialogue with Pat Bean.
13:59:11 It's been done in a dialogue, and I understand it's
13:59:16 been, I guess, an outreach from the mayor's office for
13:59:20 meetings and communication.
13:59:22 So I think we have tried to cover as many of those
13:59:26 bases as we can.
13:59:27 >>ROSE FERLITA: Well, Mr. Chen -- and I'm
13:59:29 appreciative.
13:59:30 I don't want us to be -- frankly this is my issue.
13:59:33 I don't want this council to be pushed in a corner
13:59:35 like being the bad guy who don't want to move this
13:59:39 forward because there was some pushing or blame this
13:59:41 way or that time last time.
13:59:43 I myself knew what you told me but I was hoping you
13:59:45 knew something I didn't did B that.

13:59:47 I know the mayor and administration has talked to
13:59:49 Commissioner Scott.
13:59:50 I know that there's been some communication with their
13:59:53 administrator Pat Bean.
13:59:54 I know there's been some communication with a staff
13:59:56 person.
13:59:57 But my question is this:
14:00:00 It doesn't take much to pick up the phone and make
14:00:03 that effort.
14:00:03 Has that effort been made to speak?
14:00:05 Yes or no?
14:00:06 Commissioner storm, yes or no?
14:00:08 >>> It is my understanding there has not been direct
14:00:10 calls to commissioners.
14:00:12 >> Well, administration to commissioner.
14:00:14 So you're saying that Ms. Storms knows, Norman knows,
14:00:22 spend to HAGAN, no, to sharp, no.
14:00:25 Only to Scott.
14:00:26 We have to do better with this.
14:00:28 Because wave some problems.
14:00:31 And you are saying some efforts have been extended.
14:00:34 Then making the calls to specifically the county

14:00:37 commissioners that vote on that board just like we
14:00:40 vote on this one.
14:00:41 So I'm disappointed that your response was
14:00:44 different -- wasn't different than what I hoped for.
14:00:47 County Commissioner Scott, with all due respect to
14:00:49 Commissioner Scott, there's six guys other than
14:00:51 Commissioner Scott that are going to weigh in on this.
14:00:53 And there was some lack of communication last time.
14:00:56 And when it comes to us and you guys, as the
14:00:59 administration, have not dotted every I and crossed
14:01:03 every T, that concerns me.
14:01:04 Because if I were one of those commissioners -- and
14:01:06 you know sometimes there is a territorial issue.
14:01:10 If those commissioners are looking into this, six out
14:01:13 of the seven have not been contacted.
14:01:15 And if there were something going forward, my next
14:01:17 question to you would give me a positive answer.
14:01:20 And I'll bet it won't.
14:01:21 Has this been agendaed over there?
14:01:23 Obviously not, because they haven't been talked to.
14:01:26 So what are we doing?
14:01:28 Yesterday you told me we want to move this.

14:01:30 The best way to move it is for everybody to feel that
14:01:35 their input is appreciated in meetings and six out of
14:01:37 the seven county commissioners have not been talked
14:01:39 to.
14:01:40 And colleagues, the reason I'm making an issue of this
14:01:42 is we need to get that at the bottom foundation of
14:01:45 this, so that there's no pushing back to the city, or
14:01:48 those guys have not made an effort to talk to us,
14:01:50 We are the county commissioners and we know the
14:01:53 territorial issues we have had.
14:01:55 So I'm very disappointed that somebody representing
14:01:57 the administration has not contacted them.
14:02:00 And I think you need to look at that really, really
14:02:03 fast.
14:02:03 Not you particularly, because you're here.
14:02:06 I would have said the same thing to Mr. Huey.
14:02:08 He's not here.
14:02:08 So you, Mr. Chen, need to take that message back.
14:02:11 If we want to have a cooperative environment on this
14:02:14 one to move it as fast as you seemed to want to do it
14:02:16 yesterday, this is a big component that's been
14:02:19 overlooked and I'm disappointed frankly.

14:02:22 >>MICHAEL CHEN: And I understand your comments and
14:02:24 your sentiment.
14:02:25 It is my understanding within the context of the
14:02:29 communications, the cooperative dialogue that I
14:02:31 described, that part of that was an encouragement to
14:02:36 move through their process and so forth, that that
14:02:40 communication be extended and communicated across
14:02:42 through their channels.
14:02:43 >>ROSE FERLITA: Well, because of what has happened in
14:02:47 the past, Mr. Chen, the picking up of the phone and
14:02:50 the addressing the request to speak to each of the
14:02:52 county commissioners office as opposed to an effort to
14:02:55 communication through Pat Bean -- I mean some of us
14:02:58 are more keenly aware of what's happening over there
14:03:00 than others.
14:03:04 That fragments the relationship.
14:03:06 A call to each county commission.
14:03:08 That is just my suggestion.
14:03:09 You all do what you want.
14:03:10 And if I don't feel like our homework has been done,
14:03:15 it puts me in a bad predicament because I don't want
14:03:19 to go forward unless I feel that some of these things,

14:03:22 contingent on this, contingent on that.
14:03:24 I'm putting that on record in case it comes back to
14:03:27 us.
14:03:30 >> Your point is well taken and we'll try to assist in
14:03:32 your comfort level on the relationship.
14:03:35 >>ROSE FERLITA: Comfort level.
14:03:36 Thank you.
14:03:36 Appreciate it.
14:03:41 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I don't want to get into it too
14:03:43 deeply but I would concur with Mrs. Ferlita to a stent
14:03:46 that perhaps we should slow this train down a little
14:03:48 bit, even though there's a lot of people who want to
14:03:50 move it forward, especially if we are cognizant of any
14:03:54 hesitancy of the county commission at this point, we
14:03:56 might want to slow it down a little bit and perhaps
14:04:01 wait until there might be some new members on board at
14:04:04 the county commission who have a little more hands-on
14:04:12 experience with the problems that are present in
14:04:16 Central Park Village.
14:04:19 >>ROSE FERLITA: If I can respond.
14:04:20 >>SHAWN HARRISON: Do you have any response to that,
14:04:22 Mr. Chen?

14:04:25 Ms. Ferlita then?
14:04:26 >>ROSE FERLITA: Thank you, and I think I know where
14:04:29 that was directed.
14:04:30 And I have every confidence in the world in the
14:04:32 Planning Commission leading this.
14:04:35 And I get the sense that in behalf of the Planning
14:04:37 Commission, Mr. Hoff ler is comfortable with it, too.
14:04:43 And I'm not saying we need to wait that long in
14:04:46 different attitudes but you can't complain if someone
14:04:48 has been communicated with you.
14:04:49 Now if they don't want to cooperate in that part of
14:04:55 the county that's fine but at least they can't come
14:04:57 back to us and say your administration, your City
14:05:00 Council, your CRA officials didn't contact us.
14:05:05 That's our response.
14:05:06 And if they want to push back from the dais, then
14:05:09 that's fine.
14:05:10 That's all I'm saying.
14:05:15 So I think maybe we could do that, and where do they
14:05:20 go with it?
14:05:20 But give them the opportunity to be invited and get
14:05:22 this done in a more collegial fashion.

14:05:28 >>> You always feel like you're being pushed and I
14:05:31 understand that.
14:05:31 The implications are we are on a two-month track here.
14:05:34 The reason for the way this is going now is because
14:05:37 this will start the next step.
14:05:39 It's probably a 60-day process till we get to the CRA
14:05:42 plan coming back before you, going back before the
14:05:45 Planning Commission.
14:05:46 We're trying to get this done before July 1st.
14:05:49 The reason for July 1st is so we can capture the
14:05:52 tax increments.
14:05:53 We lose an entire year of growth -- growth if we don't
14:05:57 get this done now.
14:06:00 This is the first step of about four.
14:06:02 By going forward with this particular process today, I
14:06:04 understand your concern with the county and I'm sure
14:06:06 there's going to be something done to get this
14:06:08 resolved before the next step gets to you which is
14:06:10 about 60 days from now.
14:06:13 When the community redevelopment plan comes back and
14:06:16 before the Planning Commission and comes back before
14:06:17 you is when this will have to have been done.

14:06:21 I'm just trying to give you the time line.
14:06:23 It's the July 1st date we are shooting for.
14:06:26 >>ROSE FERLITA: Mr. Chairman, may I?
14:06:28 Then the problem here, Sal, again, I feel like I'm
14:06:31 being pushed in the corner and you obviously confirmed
14:06:33 that.
14:06:34 If there's such a huge, quick deadline, that some
14:06:38 small amount of time is going to take this train off
14:06:41 track, then if the consensus is we want to approve it
14:06:47 and go forward then I could do it contingent on this
14:06:50 being done immediately but if there's no evidence of
14:06:53 this administration trying to contact that
14:06:55 administration then I am going to retract my support
14:06:57 and I would like to see what Mr. Host ler things about
14:07:03 that.
14:07:04 You understand my position here?
14:07:05 >>> Yes, ma'am, I do.
14:07:06 >> What do you suggest?
14:07:07 >>> I suggest that you take your staff's
14:07:10 recommendation, is what I suggest.
14:07:11 But there's no technical reason why the time line that
14:07:17 was just described by counselor Territo can't be met,

14:07:27 since there is no technical reason why this can't be
14:07:30 completed, this fiscal year for the state which ends
14:07:35 June 30.
14:07:35 And before anything came back to you, and we can't
14:07:41 talk about a redevelopment plan until you pass this
14:07:45 motion here.
14:07:47 If you do pass the motion.
14:07:52 But before anything would come back to you they,
14:07:54 meaning the administration, would have to take it to
14:07:55 the county.
14:07:56 So sometime within that window between now and, let's
14:07:59 say, early June, or mid May, they have got to take it
14:08:04 and agenda it before the county commission.
14:08:08 >> Move it along but contingent upon them doing that.
14:08:12 >>> Yes, so in order for that to happen.
14:08:17 >>SHAWN HARRISON: have we heard everything we need to
14:08:20 hear about this?
14:08:21 Mr. Smith?
14:08:25 >>> Trying not to duplicate, but essentially what I do
14:08:31 know because I have been involved in some of the
14:08:34 conversations there's been efforts to communicate with
14:08:35 the county for about the last four or five months.

14:08:37 I have had my efforts as well.
14:08:39 It can pretty much, I imagine, looks like this like
14:08:42 others and that is once the appropriate hurdle is
14:08:44 cleared they deal with it.
14:08:45 They have a lot on their agenda like you have on your
14:08:48 agenda.
14:08:48 And finding the slum and blight is nothing to --
14:08:52 until, there's nothing to discuss.
14:08:55 I understand there's a need for a lot of preparation.
14:08:58 There's a lot of groundwork that needs to be done.
14:09:00 But this is the first of the Dominos that falls.
14:09:04 If it doesn't fall, what you are getting presented to
14:09:06 you doesn't find that, you have waste add lot of time
14:09:09 unnecessarily so I think there will be a lot of
14:09:12 communication.
14:09:12 I have talked with Lee several times already.
14:09:14 And as a matter of fact we are conversing.
14:09:17 There are some meetings we have set up this month.
14:09:19 I think the next one is in about six days.
14:09:21 So there will be a lot of additional discussion in the
14:09:23 future on this.
14:09:25 >>KEVIN WHITE: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

14:09:32 I want to say I don't think there's any question that
14:09:34 there is an issue of slum and blight in Central Park
14:09:36 Village.
14:09:38 This is just a formality that we must craft to get to
14:09:41 the next hurdle.
14:09:44 And the residents, this council, this administration,
14:09:48 and the county administration, they all realize the
14:09:51 conditions of the slum and blight over there.
14:09:54 There was for some reason a communication breakdown on
14:09:57 the last project.
14:10:00 I think this administration is keenly aware of that,
14:10:03 and don't want any more debacles of that nature.
14:10:10 I don't think the county wants another debacle of that
14:10:15 nature.
14:10:15 And I know the residents in that area don't want
14:10:18 another delay or debacle in that situation.
14:10:22 I think we need to move forward whether there's
14:10:25 personality conflicts or not.
14:10:27 This is something that needs to be done and we need to
14:10:29 move forward and do the best job that we can for our
14:10:36 constituents and let's move on, move forward.
14:10:39 I would like to probably end the conversation and move

14:10:40 to close the public hearing.
14:10:41 >>SHAWN HARRISON: Mr. Dingfelder?
14:10:44 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I just wanted to quickly clarify my
14:10:46 statement earlier because I don't want it to be
14:10:48 mischaracter resisted.
14:10:50 I don't have any information whatsoever on how the
14:10:52 county commissioners feel about it.
14:10:54 Okay, that's up to the administration to go over there
14:10:56 and figure that out.
14:10:57 And I hope that -- I honestly do believe that the
14:11:02 discussions have been going on.
14:11:05 Whether or not Mr. Chen is aware of them or not, I'm
14:11:08 confident one way or another the county commissioners
14:11:11 have been briefed on this project, and that they
14:11:13 know -- they know what's going on, they know that this
14:11:16 is coming.
14:11:17 So I will remain optimistic that the current
14:11:22 commission will see the slum and blight, see the need
14:11:25 for the CRA and they will approve it.
14:11:26 I just want to make that abundantly clear.
14:11:29 However, okay, if the administration, through whatever
14:11:32 channels might be appropriate, find out that there is

14:11:36 a brick wall ahead of the project in the short term,
14:11:40 then I would say that we're better off slowing down a
14:11:43 little bit as opposed to running over there again as
14:11:46 we did the last time and getting a denial, okay?
14:11:50 Just like anybody who comes in front of us, they are
14:11:53 always smart when they ask for a continuance as
14:11:55 opposed to getting denied.
14:11:59 So I would say the same thing as far as the county
14:12:00 commission is concerned.
14:12:02 If we read the at a leaves and see we don't have four
14:12:06 votes, then we are better off dropping back, slowing
14:12:09 down a little bit, explaining our position better to
14:12:11 the commissioners that are there, or the future
14:12:14 commissioners who will be there.
14:12:16 So I just felt it's important to clarify my position
14:12:19 on that.
14:12:21 >>SHAWN HARRISON: I think we have heard enough on the
14:12:22 issue.
14:12:23 We can't do anything until we find it slum and
14:12:26 blighted.
14:12:26 Exactly.
14:12:27 Mrs. Saul-Sena.

14:12:28 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I November resolution.
14:12:31 >> Move to close the public hearing.
14:12:32 >> Second.
14:12:32 (Motion carried).
14:12:34 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I move the resolution declaring
14:12:42 Central Park Village a slum and blight area.
14:12:45 >>SHAWN HARRISON: Motion and second.
14:12:46 (Motion carried).
14:12:48 The motion carries unanimously.
14:12:50 Thank you.
14:12:53 >>KEVIN WHITE: Move to open 86.
14:12:55 >>SHAWN HARRISON: Motion to open 86.
14:12:58 Second.
14:12:58 (Motion carried).
14:13:01 We are now on item 86.
14:13:02 >>MARTIN SHELBY: 86 and 87 requires swearing of
14:13:09 witnesses.
14:13:10 >>SHAWN HARRISON: Is there anyone in the public who
14:13:12 would like to speak on items 86 or 87?
14:13:18 Okay.
14:13:19 >>THE CLERK: Do you solemnly swear or affirm to tell
14:13:24 the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth?

14:13:28 >>> I do.
14:13:28 >>DENNIS FERNANDEZ: Manager of historic preservation
14:13:31 here for item number 86 and 87.
14:13:34 86 we are lag to initiate the designation of
14:13:39 properties listing in West Tampa.
14:13:41 We have three structures.
14:13:50 You see the structures on the Elmo.
14:13:51 The first is a commercial structure at 2502.
14:13:57 The first and third are FDOT relocations part of the
14:14:00 interstate expansion project.
14:14:01 And --
14:14:06 >>KEVIN WHITE: You're on 87.
14:14:08 >>DENNIS FERNANDEZ: Oh, I apologize.
14:14:10 I was on 87.
14:14:12 You're on 86.
14:14:17 >>SHAWN HARRISON: You don't really need to present.
14:14:20 Is there anyone that would like to speak on item
14:14:23 number 86?
14:14:25 >>KEVIN WHITE: Move to close.
14:14:26 >> Second.
14:14:26 (Motion carried).
14:14:27 >>SHAWN HARRISON: Mr. Dingfelder, would you take

14:14:28 number 86, please?
14:14:30 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: move to approve the following
14:14:32 ordinance on second reading, an ordinance of the city
14:14:35 of Tampa, Florida designating the property known as
14:14:38 the historic structures of MacFarlane park located at
14:14:43 1801 north Lincoln Avenue Tampa, Florida as more
14:14:46 particularly described in section 3 hereof as a local
14:14:48 landmark, providing for repeal of all ordinances in
14:14:51 conflict, providing for severability, providing an
14:14:53 effective date.
14:14:55 >>KEVIN WHITE: I thought that had a MacDill Avenue
14:14:58 address.
14:14:58 >>DENNIS FERNANDEZ: I thought so too but it has a
14:15:02 Lincoln address.
14:15:03 >>KEVIN WHITE: I wanted to make sure.
14:15:06 >>SHAWN HARRISON: To the west.
14:15:10 All right.
14:15:11 Roll call.
14:15:17 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried with Alvarez and Miller
14:15:20 being absent.
14:15:21 >>KEVIN WHITE: Move to open number 87.
14:15:26 >> Second.

14:15:26 (Motion carried).
14:15:27 >>DENNIS FERNANDEZ: The two structures were originally
14:15:35 owned by the FDOT.
14:15:36 One is transferred to private ownership now.
14:15:40 And some of the structures are in private ownership.
14:15:42 The designations were requested by the owners.
14:15:45 Thank you.
14:15:47 >>SHAWN HARRISON: Is there anyone in the public that
14:15:48 would like to speak on item 87?
14:15:50 >>KEVIN WHITE: Move to close.
14:15:52 >> Second.
14:15:52 (Motion carried).
14:15:53 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: First of all, thank you, Mr.
14:15:56 Fernandez.
14:15:58 This is great to see these restored.
14:16:06 I would like to move the resolution.
14:16:09 >>SHAWN HARRISON: We have a motion and second to move
14:16:11 the resolution.
14:16:12 (Motion carried)
14:16:17 All right.
14:16:17 Sandy, does that take care of everything?
14:16:20 >>KEVIN WHITE: Move to receive and file the documents.

14:16:22 >>SHAWN HARRISON: We need to go to new information or
14:16:25 information reports.
14:16:26 Starting on my left.
14:16:27 Mr. White.
14:16:29 >>KEVIN WHITE: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
14:16:30 I only have one item, an issue, and a local article,
14:16:42 the Hillsborough organization, when we had our
14:16:48 Channelside meeting on last Thursday night.
14:16:51 I guess the numbers met with council members
14:16:55 individually, and I guess a majority agreed to go to
14:17:00 that meeting when we did not have anything scheduled
14:17:02 previously for that Thursday night.
14:17:04 But I know as an individual council member, I told
14:17:08 them emphatically that we did not have anything
14:17:10 scheduled, but because of our schedule, and what we
14:17:13 have been doing, and there was a possibility that
14:17:19 anything could happen on that night, and we did, and
14:17:22 the CRA board in fact scheduled a Channelside meeting
14:17:25 that came up in conflict with that and there were some
14:17:34 negative quotes in the newspaper that none of us
14:17:36 bothered to show up at the meeting although we had
14:17:38 committed, and I just didn't think that was totally

14:17:40 accurate, because we did have city business to tend to
14:17:44 as an entire board.
14:17:45 And I just wanted some clarification on the record,
14:17:52 that we did not intentionally ignore any group or
14:17:54 organization, and we all had the very best of
14:17:58 intentions to show up at that meeting and
14:18:00 organization.
14:18:01 I just wanted to put that on the record, Mr. Chairman.
14:18:03 >>SHAWN HARRISON: Absolutely.
14:18:04 Anything else?
14:18:07 Ms. Ferlita?
14:18:08 >>ROSE FERLITA: Yes, Mr. Chairman.
14:18:09 I was contacted, I believe as some of my colleagues
14:18:13 were, by a gentleman Seth Nelson who is requesting for
14:18:18 appointment to the VRB.
14:18:20 I think he's an alternate now, I'm not sure.
14:18:23 I don't know if this is the appropriate time this
14:18:24 morning, Ms. Marshall, but if it is I would like to
14:18:28 make the recommendation and motion of that board
14:18:31 member.
14:18:34 >>SHAWN HARRISON: We have a motion and a second.
14:18:35 (Motion carried).

14:18:39 >>ROSE FERLITA: One last observation.
14:18:42 I was anxious to see something happening with all the
14:18:45 development in the West Tampa area, finally got the
14:18:47 RFP put together for the fort Homer Hesterly armory.
14:18:56 I'm disappointed in the conditions.
14:18:57 This seems like an RFP that couldn't be more
14:19:00 insurmountable to comply with.
14:19:04 There are so many conditions in this 43-site
14:19:07 requirement and proposal.
14:19:11 And I'm disappointed in this.
14:19:12 I think it's going to be a long time before somebody
14:19:14 can come up with what they want.
14:19:16 And I don't know if my colleagues have load at it.
14:19:19 And I don't know after we look at it, we have the
14:19:22 opportunity to make some suggestions to an RFP that
14:19:25 was already formulated.
14:19:26 But this is going to be awful hard for somebody to
14:19:29 want to go through all of this, just so that they can
14:19:31 do something with that building.
14:19:33 So just disappointed.
14:19:35 I wanted to make that comment on record.
14:19:38 That's all.

14:19:38 >>SHAWN HARRISON: Thank you.
14:19:40 Mrs. Saul-Sena.
14:19:41 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Thank you.
14:19:42 A couple of things.
14:19:43 On Monday morning at 9:00, we are having the fourth
14:19:48 annual state of the river, and we are going to see the
14:19:52 dam in action.
14:19:52 Because as council knows, there are a number of issues
14:19:55 coming before us here, minimum flows on the river,
14:20:00 it's very important to the neighborhood who are on the
14:20:03 river, and this is going to be an interesting program.
14:20:06 Everyone is invited to attend.
14:20:08 Secondly, I have been talking to people in various
14:20:14 neighborhoods where there's been a lot of reinvestment
14:20:16 in the residential parts, but the commercial areas
14:20:19 haven't come up to the same -- particularly Tampa
14:20:23 Heights, Seminole Heights, Sulphur Springs, even
14:20:26 downtown.
14:20:28 South Tampa.
14:20:29 We have barbed wire facing a commercial street, which
14:20:34 is a very unfriendly and unwelcoming sight.
14:20:42 And there has been talk in East Tampa of making it

14:20:48 illegal, particularly chain link with barbed wire on
14:20:54 top.
14:20:54 I would like in two weeks for the administration come
14:20:57 back with an amortization plan for five years to give
14:21:00 people a chance to take the chain linked fences and
14:21:03 barbed wire on commercial property facing commercial
14:21:10 streets.
14:21:10 And we looked at it.
14:21:12 Can we do it?
14:21:13 >>SHAWN HARRISON: We have a motion and second for a
14:21:17 report in two weeks.
14:21:18 All in favor signify by saying Aye.
14:21:19 >>ROSE FERLITA: Support it from the standpoint of
14:21:22 information, which usually we have informational
14:21:26 requests.
14:21:27 Sometimes that doesn't happen.
14:21:28 This is simply a request we have to offer to take into
14:21:31 consideration if there is a -- I don't think anybody
14:21:36 particularly wants their property to look like an
14:21:38 armory, but sometimes the requirement for the barbed
14:21:41 wire fence is because of that so let's see when the
14:21:45 report comes back and tell us.

14:21:46 >>SHAWN HARRISON: Correct.
14:21:47 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: One more thing.
14:21:49 Right now it's very dry but it's two months before
14:21:51 hurricane/rainy season and I just found out that Gary
14:21:55 school is still not saved.
14:21:57 And I wanted to encourage the administration to work
14:22:01 with the school system to try to get something done to
14:22:05 prepare the school for rainy season in case it doesn't
14:22:08 sell because it still hasn't sold.
14:22:11 And rain water will be collecting.
14:22:19 >>SHAWN HARRISON: Okay.
14:22:20 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: A letter from the chair?
14:22:26 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I guess I can ask for a report in a
14:22:29 month.
14:22:29 30 days.
14:22:30 Move we get a report back from city administration,
14:22:34 how cooperation with Gary school, with the school
14:22:39 board is doing in terms of protecting Gary school.
14:22:41 >>SHAWN HARRISON: Motion and second for a report.
14:22:43 (Motion carried)
14:22:48 Mr. Dingfelder?
14:22:49 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

14:22:50 There's been some concern on Davis Island about the
14:22:54 contribution that Tampa General Hospital has given to
14:22:57 the city as related to Davis Island and TGH's
14:23:01 expansion.
14:23:05 There are some who don't really know what the process
14:23:07 is, and frankly that's understandable, there hasn't
14:23:11 been a process set up yet.
14:23:13 So to try and narrow the focus on that issue, I'm
14:23:17 going to suggest, or make a motion, that the
14:23:19 administration come before council in three weeks, and
14:23:26 propose a process that would give plenty of
14:23:29 opportunity for citizen input on how that million
14:23:32 dollars is going to be spent or not spent or whatever,
14:23:38 and also what council's involvement will be in that.
14:23:43 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Second.
14:23:44 >>SHAWN HARRISON: Motion and second.
14:23:46 All in favor signify by saying Aye.
14:23:48 Is that it?
14:23:49 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Yes.
14:23:49 >>ROSE FERLITA: Mr. Chairman, one thing that Desiree
14:23:53 handed to me and I forgot to mention.
14:23:55 I was hoping somebody else would.

14:23:57 But I remember seeing it.
14:23:58 I just want to make this announcement in terms of TPD.
14:24:03 2006 police tour sendoff event, this is the third year
14:24:07 TPD officers will ride 250 mails on bicycles from
14:24:11 Virginia Beach to Washington, D.C. to honor officers
14:24:13 fallen in the line of duty around the United States.
14:24:15 It's particularly important this year since we will be
14:24:19 riding for detective Serrano whose name is placed on
14:24:23 the 2007 roster.
14:24:28 It will honor those who made the ultimate sacrifice.
14:24:30 At this time police tour police sendoff ceremony,
14:24:33 Friday, 6 p.m., and it will begin at 107 Franklin
14:24:37 Street, and so we are encouraged to support them.
14:24:40 I just wanted to remind the public that that was
14:24:43 coming up on the 13th and 14th.
14:24:47 >>SHAWN HARRISON: Thank you for the reminder.
14:24:50 I would like to have a commendation made for Matthew
14:24:53 Struby Thelen who has obtained the rank of eagle
14:25:01 scout.
14:25:01 There will be a ceremony for him may 21st.
14:25:07 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Are they going to give him the
14:25:10 eagle?

14:25:11 >>SHAWN HARRISON: It doesn't say where.
14:25:12 I'll either present it at that or else we'll make sure
14:25:16 that it's received.
14:25:17 All right.
14:25:17 We need to receive and file documents.
14:25:21 >> Move to receive and file.
14:25:22 >> Second.
14:25:22 (Motion carried).
14:25:23 >>SHAWN HARRISON: Anything else to come before
14:25:24 council?
14:25:25 Public comment?
14:25:26 Anyone in the audience like to speak on any item?
14:26:25 (Off camera)
14:26:26 (City Council meeting adjourned)