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Tampa City Council
Thursday, July 27, 2006
9:00 a.m. Session

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[Sounding gavel]
09:06:06 Tampa City Council is called to order.
09:06:07 The chair will yield to Mr. John Dingfelder.
09:06:10 >> Thank you, Madam Chair.

09:06:11 It's my pleasure and honor today to introduce the
09:06:15 president of the Hyde Park North Neighborhood
09:06:18 Association.
09:06:18 She's been president since 2004.
09:06:20 She's been 24 years in Hyde Park.
09:06:23 And I enjoy working with Enva so much.
09:06:27 She's always had great ideas, suggestions to council
09:06:30 and to me as her councilman.
09:06:33 She's determined and enthusiastic to make our
09:06:35 community a better place.
09:06:37 And to welcome -- she will lead us in the invocation,
09:06:44 followed by the pledge of allegiance.
09:06:46 >>> Thank you.
09:06:46 The service when we aren't too well pleased with
09:06:50 ourselves and our dreams have come true because we
09:06:52 have dreamed too little.
09:06:53 When we arrive safely because we stay sail too close
09:06:56 to the store.
09:06:58 Disturb us Lord when the abundance of things we
09:07:01 possess we have lost our thirst for the waters of life
09:07:04 have, fallen in water of life, we have ceased to and
09:07:07 our efforts to build a new earth.

09:07:12 Disturb, us Lord, to venture on wider seas where
09:07:18 storms will show their mastery, where we shall find
09:07:21 the stars.
09:07:23 We ask you to push back the horizons of our hopes and
09:07:25 to push back into the future in strength, courage,
09:07:28 hope and love.
09:07:28 Amen.
09:07:31 (Pledge of Allegiance).
09:07:46 >>GWEN MILLER: Roll call.
09:07:47 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Here.
09:07:50 >>SHAWN HARRISON: Here.
09:07:51 >>MARY ALVAREZ: Here.
09:07:53 >>ROSE FERLITA: Here.
09:07:53 >>GWEN MILLER: Here.
09:07:57 >>GWEN MILLER: Before we begin I would like to read
09:08:02 into the record, we have some United Way of Tampa Bay.
09:08:04 They would like to say, we are proud to recognize
09:08:07 Tampa City Council as one of Tampa's leading community
09:08:13 investors, as generous supporters of United Way for
09:08:15 2005 workplace campaign, you and your colleagues have
09:08:20 made an incredible investment in Tampa Bay.
09:08:23 One that will shape our community in measurable ways

09:08:26 and improve the lives of people.
09:08:28 And I would like to say thank you to United Way for
09:08:31 this great opportunity to do that.
09:08:42 At this time we need to approve our agenda.
09:08:44 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Would you like to see if there's a
09:08:47 change to the agenda?
09:08:48 >>GWEN MILLER: Yes, we will.
09:09:02 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: On number 2 I had a chat with
09:09:04 public works briefly and I asked them to defer this
09:09:06 item for another four weeks.
09:09:09 We have no objection.
09:09:10 Number 2.
09:09:12 >> So moved.
09:09:12 >> Second.
09:09:12 (Motion carried).
09:09:13 >>GWEN MILLER: Item number 16, would like to pull that
09:09:20 one.
09:09:23 And bring it under staff reports.
09:09:25 Any others?
09:09:26 >>ROSE FERLITA: I'm sorry I got to review these a
09:09:31 little later than usual.
09:09:33 Item 14 and 15, I would like somebody to be here when

09:09:36 we get to that for clarification.
09:09:42 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I think it's a good idea.
09:09:43 David and I had a long talk about it but I think it's
09:09:46 worthy of explanation.
09:09:49 >>ROSE FERLITA: David or somebody from purchasing.
09:09:51 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Either one.
09:09:53 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Items 14 and 15 for discussion then?
09:09:58 >>ROSE FERLITA: Yes, please.
09:09:59 >>GWEN MILLER: Any other items?
09:10:00 Okay.
09:10:01 We go to our staff reports.
09:10:05 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Actually the sign-in sheet.
09:10:07 >>GWEN MILLER: Staff report.
09:10:12 We have an introduction by Ms. Ferlita.
09:10:13 >>ROSE FERLITA: typically, I don't do this but a
09:10:17 couple months ago one of the -- the principal at Webb
09:10:21 middle school asked me to join her to give out some
09:10:24 honor awards to some of her students and given the
09:10:27 comment lately about the focus on our Hillsborough
09:10:29 County school system I was happy to oblige.
09:10:31 I went to Leto high school where they gave out awards,
09:10:36 and very impressed with the young man that's my guest

09:10:38 this morning.
09:10:39 His name is Harry Ramsamooj.
09:10:44 She can't pronounce Ferlita so, okay, we are even.
09:10:48 He's an incredible young man.
09:10:51 Yesterday I went to faculty, timing was accidental but
09:10:57 very good because of the impact fee that had been
09:11:00 improved, I'm happy to say, and because those impact
09:11:02 fees are going to help our educational system.
09:11:04 And this young man is a product of what can be done
09:11:07 through our education system.
09:11:08 Next week, Mr. Dingfelder, he will be coming to your
09:11:12 district.
09:11:12 He will be in the 9th grade at Robinson high
09:11:14 school in the international baccalaureate program.
09:11:18 He's 14 years old, collects stamps, coins, key chains.
09:11:22 At Webb beta club and the national junior society.
09:11:26 We gave out different awards to the students who were
09:11:28 worthy of them and I think Harry walked away with
09:11:32 about 14.
09:11:34 I got tired of handing them to him and he probably got
09:11:37 tired of saying thank you.
09:11:38 What an incredible student he is.

09:11:40 He might like to join us.
09:11:42 And joins his parents.
09:11:44 I just wanted to ask you guys to welcome him.
09:11:50 [ Applause ]
09:11:51 >>GWEN MILLER: Welcome.
09:12:06 We are glad to have you with us this morning.
09:12:07 My staff report, some changes in the agenda.
09:12:11 The first person we have is Kimberly Crum.
09:12:21 >> Good morning.
09:12:22 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I'm sorry to interrupt you.
09:12:24 The purpose of your being here right now is just to
09:12:27 ask it be removed from the consent agenda and placed
09:12:30 on the staff reports, your item 16?
09:12:33 >>> I'm here today to speak on item 16 and if the
09:12:36 proper protocol is to ask it be removed and ask
09:12:39 permission for speaking then I would like to do that.
09:12:41 >>GWEN MILLER: Go ahead.
09:12:42 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Well, do it as we go down the list.
09:12:49 Thank you.
09:12:49 >>GWEN MILLER: Mr. Steve Daignault.
09:12:59 >>STEVE DAIGNAULT: administrator public works utility
09:13:03 services here to ask for a continuance of item number

09:13:06 60, which is the south of Gandy transportation study I
09:13:18 would like to ask this for an opportunity where we
09:13:20 have more time and where we have the city attorney.
09:13:23 I also note that the council has asked for a
09:13:26 presentation on 2 CEA, and I think it might be an
09:13:30 opportunity to combine these two, do them at the same
09:13:33 time.
09:13:34 Our consultant, Tindell Oliver, who will do the south
09:13:37 of Gandy presentation has also done a presentation to
09:13:40 the staff and to the attorney's office on the TCEA.
09:13:44 And I think those two together are going to be very,
09:13:46 very important information for the council.
09:13:48 I think you will want to have it in a form where you
09:13:50 can ask some questions.
09:13:52 There's a number of charts and graphs that need to be
09:13:54 explained.
09:13:55 So rather than just in a few minutes here in front of
09:13:58 council, again I would like to ask for a different
09:14:00 meeting and a different forum that we can do that.
09:14:03 Certainly the public would be invited, and there are a
09:14:06 number of folks who are involved with the south of
09:14:08 Gandy task force.

09:14:10 And I know they would want to be present at that time
09:14:12 as well.
09:14:12 But I think it's an important enough issue that we try
09:14:15 to have it in a different venue.
09:14:19 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I was going to suggest before
09:14:24 council that we have a meeting on the 31st of
09:14:26 August, we don't have a night meeting, and we could do
09:14:29 it at 1:30.
09:14:30 Or if you want to do it in South Tampa at a location
09:14:34 where it's easier for citizens to go in the evening,
09:14:37 maybe that's what.
09:14:42 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Council, if I can just offer my
09:14:45 opinion on this.
09:14:46 Council has been wrestling with a lot of these issues
09:14:49 that are going to be discussed.
09:14:51 This discussion with the south of Gandy is very
09:14:54 significant.
09:14:55 It affects the discussion of the TCEA which of course,
09:14:59 you know, is up for discussion as a result. Growth
09:15:02 management changes that are going to be implemented.
09:15:05 Council, this is a very significant issue.
09:15:07 And I would ask respectfully, Mr. Daignault strongly

09:15:12 believes it's an opportunity for to you meet with the
09:15:15 consultant, to be able to understand the issues, to be
09:15:17 able to have a dialogue, to be able to grasp the
09:15:20 issues so when you come back to a council meeting you
09:15:22 would be able to have some idea of the kind of actions
09:15:24 you wish to take.
09:15:25 He's suggesting perhaps a round-table discussion,
09:15:28 which would make the fifth floor TPD with their large
09:15:33 conference table probably the best location for it.
09:15:39 The council chambers myself, but Mr. Daignault says at
09:15:46 a minimum this would be a two-hour discussion.
09:15:49 My suggestion, the reality of it, when you start to
09:15:52 get into the issues, and council starts understanding
09:15:54 the questions they want to start asking, and having
09:15:57 the experts that they will be able to answer, cot go
09:16:01 significantly longer than that.
09:16:02 To add onto a council meeting or schedule it for a
09:16:05 short time before, it could give the subject -- not
09:16:09 give the subject justice.
09:16:10 So I would ask council perhaps if you wish to discuss
09:16:12 it.
09:16:14 I would also recommend you do it as a workshop which

09:16:17 requires a quorum, and to have at least one member
09:16:23 there.
09:16:24 If you would like to come back tonight to finalize it
09:16:26 after checking your schedule, that might be a
09:16:28 suggestion that we have discussed.
09:16:31 But council, this is probably, in terms of all the
09:16:33 land use decisions you make and the future direction
09:16:36 of the city, one of the most impactable discussions
09:16:42 you have had since I have been your City Council
09:16:44 attorney.
09:16:45 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I agree with Mr. Shelby and Mr.
09:16:48 Daignault, except for your location.
09:16:50 I agree with Mrs. Saul-Sena, I think that as long as
09:16:53 we have some flexibility, and if we want to -- I think
09:16:58 we should encourage the public to be there since it
09:17:00 affects folks so much.
09:17:04 But I would suggest you have it at the library, but
09:17:09 clearly we need to make sure we are going to have good
09:17:11 attendance from council.
09:17:15 When we do that.
09:17:17 >>MARY ALVAREZ: I agree with you, John.
09:17:20 This seems to be like it's going to be a really

09:17:23 important issue for that section of town.
09:17:25 And I'm willing to meet with -- and I think the Jan
09:17:32 Platt library would work really, really well.
09:17:35 Because we are F we are going to dot in a round table
09:17:40 discussion here it's not really going to work.
09:17:41 So we just need to be where everybody has a fair
09:17:44 chance to speak on this.
09:17:45 So I would support whatever you say.
09:17:49 >>ROSE FERLITA: I think the same thing, I agree with
09:17:52 you as well, John, and I'm hopeful we can push it out
09:17:55 enough so that all of us can secure that date because
09:17:58 I think it's very important.
09:17:59 And I think the library would lend itself to more
09:18:02 interactive type discussion.
09:18:04 It is probably one of the biggest issues that's going
09:18:06 to be facing this council and the next council in
09:18:09 terms of what common decisions are made.
09:18:12 So, Mr. Shelby, I think that's good advice.
09:18:15 And I think -- I don't have nipples other than that
09:18:21 that I would recommend.
09:18:22 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I think what Mr. Daignault is
09:18:25 suggesting to combine this with a discussion of the

09:18:27 TCEA which involves every council member's district.
09:18:30 >>ROSE FERLITA: I think it's great.
09:18:31 >>MARY ALVAREZ: Just to add to that, I think maybe
09:18:36 August 5th looks like our schedule is really,
09:18:40 really tight.
09:18:40 I know mine is.
09:18:41 It would really be a burden to me to try to make it
09:18:44 for August.
09:18:45 So if you could make it sometime maybe the first two
09:18:49 weeks of September, it would probably work better for
09:18:51 me.
09:18:54 >>GWEN MILLER: Would you all like to get your calendar
09:18:56 and bring some dates back and we'll vote on it
09:18:59 tonight?
09:19:03 Would everybody like to check your calendars?
09:19:06 Mr. Daignault, we will check our calendars tonight and
09:19:09 come up with a date.
09:19:10 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Council, for the sake of the agenda
09:19:12 then, this item number 60 is going to be continued
09:19:15 till night's discussion?
09:19:16 >>GWEN MILLER: Yes.
09:19:20 Mr. Shelby, you're next.

09:19:22 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Thank you.
09:19:24 I'm sorry, council.
09:19:25 I wanted to bring to council's attention an item --
09:19:27 actually three items on the consent docket.
09:19:29 They are items 32, 33 and 34.
09:19:33 If council will take a look at them, they are requests
09:19:40 for 32, 33 and 34.
09:19:42 These are items being set for public hearing by
09:19:44 council consent.
09:19:47 Council, normally your wet zoning evenings are the
09:19:52 third Thursday during the daytime.
09:19:55 These three hearings are being asked to be scheduled
09:19:59 for August 31st at 10 a.m. rather than September
09:20:03 21st.
09:20:05 The petitioner's representative is here at least on a
09:20:08 couple of them but I wanted to bring that to council's
09:20:10 attention if council wishes to have any discussion
09:20:12 about that or just pass it on consent docket after
09:20:15 this.
09:20:15 I wanted to bring to the your attention.
09:20:16 >>GWEN MILLER: Okay.
09:20:19 Council members, he brought it to your attention.

09:20:27 >>MARTIN SHELBY: So then make a motion to approve the
09:20:28 amended agenda.
09:20:30 >> So moved.
09:20:31 >> Second.
09:20:31 (Motion carried).
09:20:32 >>GWEN MILLER: Anything else, Mr. Shelby?
09:20:36 >>MARTIN SHELBY: No, Madam Chair.
09:20:40 >>GWEN MILLER: Now can Kimberley Crum come up now?
09:20:45 Okay, Kimberley Crum.
09:20:48 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
09:20:53 >>MARTIN SHELBY: There was some discussion as to when
09:20:54 the public should speak on an item.
09:20:56 And obviously through the discussion council had
09:20:58 decided to keep the -- agenda public comment for that
09:21:03 which follows the staff report.
09:21:06 I would ask that council be mindful of these people
09:21:09 who wish to speak to items that are on the staff
09:21:12 report, and perhaps consider opening the floor, ask if
09:21:17 anybody wishes to discuss it before taking official
09:21:20 action.
09:21:20 >>GWEN MILLER: Do you want top dop that now?
09:21:23 Is there anyone in the public that wants to speak oh

09:21:25 to any item on the agenda not set for public hearing,
09:21:28 you may speak now.
09:21:31 Ms. Crum, I have to sit you down again.
09:21:33 I'm sorry.
09:21:35 >>MARGARET VIZZI: 213 South Sherill, just referring to
09:21:38 the item you just discussed about south of Gandy task
09:21:42 force.
09:21:44 I would encourage council to, because they are going
09:21:47 to be drawing the TCEA, which is so important for
09:21:51 everyone in the rest of the city, I would not want
09:21:55 other neighborhoods that are -- think they are not
09:21:58 involved in that discussion to be involved, because it
09:22:01 is an issue that, as Mr. Daignault just said, will
09:22:10 affect the entire city.
09:22:11 So if you put it at Jan Platt library people will
09:22:14 think this is just a South Tampa issue.
09:22:16 And this is not the case.
09:22:17 The TCEA is we the citizens committee comp plan very
09:22:26 much against it.
09:22:27 It was because of our pushing that New Tampa was not
09:22:30 included in it.
09:22:32 And now we are seeing as we got development that the

09:22:35 transportation issues are a main issue, and that was a
09:22:40 recent decision of our attorney.
09:22:42 We hope that it will be changed.
09:22:46 All I can do is encourage you to have it in a more --
09:22:51 maybe a bigger auditorium but more central, and let
09:22:54 all the neighborhoods know how important this issue
09:22:56 is.
09:22:58 >>GWEN MILLER: You are so right and I'm glad you
09:23:00 brought that to our attention.
09:23:01 >>MARGARET VIZZI: I was back there, and thought how
09:23:07 important it is to all our neighborhoods.
09:23:08 >>GWEN MILLER: I appreciate that.
09:23:09 Thank you.
09:23:09 >>ROSE FERLITA: Well, I think as I'm log across
09:23:12 everybody is nodding yes.
09:23:14 Ms. Vizzi, thank you for that suggestion.
09:23:16 I think you're absolutely right.
09:23:17 I guess we can consider taking suggestions about
09:23:21 where.
09:23:24 Ms. Alvarez says this is small and it probably is.
09:23:27 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: What time we do it also.
09:23:30 >>MARY ALVAREZ: I'm thinking of maybe a small room at

09:23:33 the convention center if it's going to be such a big
09:23:35 issue.
09:23:35 >>ROSE FERLITA: Parking is always an issue there.
09:23:42 >>GWEN MILLER: Come back tonight.
09:23:44 Why don't you come back with a date and a place and
09:23:46 we'll discuss it tonight.
09:23:48 So we continued it till tonight.
09:23:50 Mr. Johnson.
09:23:52 >>> Pete Johnson.
09:23:55 Need to discuss with you about item number 5, the
09:23:57 Bacon Lake situation.
09:23:58 I understand that legal is asking for an additional 30
09:24:02 days to do a title search on this.
09:24:06 I have a lot of questions.
09:24:07 Why wasn't it done when we did the interlocking
09:24:11 agreement.
09:24:12 Why do we have this problem of ownership?
09:24:16 I do want to make a comment that I got an e-mail from
09:24:20 Pam this morning, says that she will definitely look
09:24:23 into it.
09:24:23 I didn't realize Darrell was back.
09:24:27 But I was so impressed on how fast an e-mail works

09:24:31 with the administration.
09:24:32 She immediately responded to me.
09:24:34 She gave me her word, which is as good as gold.
09:24:39 So I'm just very impressed with the administration how
09:24:41 quick they got back.
09:24:43 So I also want to say please, she deserve it is raise.
09:24:46 [ Laughter ]
09:24:47 If anybody deserve it is raise.
09:24:49 Thank you.
09:24:49 >>GWEN MILLER: Thank you.
09:24:50 Next.
09:24:56 >>> Al Steenson, 4100 west Azeele Avenue, Tampa.
09:25:06 I'm here to speak on item 3.
09:25:09 Just a suggestion that I made, I believe probably 3 or
09:25:12 4 months ago.
09:25:13 I have no idea what legal and land development is
09:25:15 going to tell you after awhile.
09:25:17 However, I would ask you to consider legal and land
09:25:23 development to consider giving the associations all
09:25:32 that they need to effectively get a handle on the
09:25:34 development going on down there.
09:25:35 I realize we can't expect you people -- the developer

09:25:41 to put 250 site plans, which he has to put the
09:25:45 neighborhood letter out.
09:25:47 And I'm sure Ms. Vizzi will address this too.
09:25:52 Most of the associations have the zoning committee.
09:25:55 And these things are important for them to have the
09:25:59 data in front of them and have the information on the
09:26:02 neighborhood notice that allows us to do the research
09:26:09 for you members.
09:26:11 And I'm not trying to stir up a tempest in a tea pot
09:26:14 here, and as Mr. Dingfelder said the last time.
09:26:17 We are not talking about a lot of hours.
09:26:20 You may copy that site plan for about 45 or 50 cents.
09:26:25 I hope you will consider land development and legal,
09:26:27 and give us the tools we need to effectively get a
09:26:30 handle on this development.
09:26:32 Thank you very much.
09:26:32 >>GWEN MILLER: Thank you.
09:26:33 Next.
09:26:44 >>MOSES KNOTT, JR.: I reside at 2902 East Ellicott
09:26:47 street where I operate a business for many, many, many
09:26:50 years, just got grandfathered in to be legal.
09:26:55 Thank you, Ms. Rose Ferlita.

09:26:58 And then I thank God for his grace and his mercy.
09:27:04 And I know many people don't go to the top floor.
09:27:12 I always done it.
09:27:13 But I got thinking, and always think about prayer.
09:27:17 You know, what made me feel so good this morning, you
09:27:20 know, when you work hard like I do representing poor
09:27:23 peoples, you know, and praising God, you know, he
09:27:31 shook my hands and said, you know, preaching about
09:27:35 God's grace and mercy, and made me feel good.
09:27:38 But I got something on my heart I want to tell you all
09:27:41 about prayer.
09:27:41 I just found out about four or five weeks ago, I told
09:27:45 you all, all over the world, listen to the word used
09:27:48 and everything.
09:27:49 But always talked about Elijah, how he prayed, he got
09:27:53 down -- his face down in the dirt and his hands, but
09:28:00 now I got me a man on earth that do some serious
09:28:03 praying, a man that I admire, greatest man ever lived
09:28:07 on this earth, John Paul.
09:28:13 I just found out weeks ago how this manipulated.
09:28:15 I saw a special on TV.
09:28:24 He did it on the knees.

09:28:26 He put his hand like that.
09:28:36 But he got like a -- all over the world, every
09:28:40 country.
09:28:41 And then this man was Catholic but you would never
09:28:45 know it because he represent the word.
09:28:48 But it amazed me about this man.
09:28:50 I watched this man when I was a little boy, you know,
09:28:52 always watched this man.
09:28:53 He was a great, great man.
09:28:55 But I want to say to everybody, that please, I mean,
09:29:01 please, if we ever needed prayer, don't wait for 9-11
09:29:06 again.
09:29:06 Please, everybody get on their niece.
09:29:08 Everybody get on their knees on 9-11.
09:29:12 But pretty soon, everybody going to be back on their
09:29:15 knees again.
09:29:15 And that's why we mention about the mayor raise.
09:29:23 Give the mayor a raise.
09:29:24 And, you know, I love all you all, and all the people
09:29:29 I love up here I feel sorry for them.
09:29:31 But you all need a raise, too.
09:29:34 >>MARY ALVAREZ: Thank you.

09:29:35 >>GWEN MILLER: Thank you, Mr. Knott.
09:29:39 >>> I'm very serious about this thing.
09:29:43 The people went, ooh, ooh.
09:29:47 But, I mean, I didn't say a word.
09:29:50 But you all need a raise, too.
09:29:53 You know, Dick Greco, when he got elected, Dick Greco.
09:30:05 And Pam Iorio when she first got that job, I said now
09:30:08 this lady step into a gold mine because Dick Greco
09:30:12 already done hiked it up there.
09:30:13 I never thought she want some more money.
09:30:17 >>GWEN MILLER: Thank you.
09:30:17 Would anyone else like to speak?
09:30:27 >>> Good morning. Anthony Sardine, 1505 west 30th
09:30:29 street Tampa, Florida 33604.
09:30:32 Item number 16.
09:30:34 I would like to read you something for the record
09:30:35 here.
09:30:37 First I want ton thank you guys for letting me speak
09:30:40 today.
09:30:42 With that being said, please let me get right down to
09:30:46 it.
09:30:52 Parks Department and myself.

09:30:57 I myself worked in the City of Tampa Parks Department
09:31:00 for almost four years.
09:31:04 AEOT, automotive equipment operator, too.
09:31:09 This past October Tampa of city employees were offered
09:31:11 a 2.5 merit increase when we were receiving a 2.6%.
09:31:16 Cost of living.
09:31:20 This was voted down several times due to its
09:31:23 unjustness.
09:31:23 It was only voted in, no funds disbursed unless the
09:31:32 contract was ratified.
09:31:37 Naturally, people depended on these Christmas bonuses
09:31:43 and other things, that this they could not do without.
09:31:48 The scare tactic work because the contract went into
09:31:52 effect.
09:31:52 50% decrease in net wages and our cost of living
09:31:55 remained the same.
09:31:56 Anyone who works with the city can tell you the
09:31:58 so-called cost of living is never seen due to
09:32:01 increasing insurance costs.
09:32:04 As a matter of fact, most of us lost pay just for that
09:32:08 coverage.
09:32:10 Same with the family plan.

09:32:13 It's almost as if we got penalized for having a
09:32:16 family.
09:32:17 Due to increasing insurance a lot of employees had to
09:32:22 go get second jobs just to make ends meet.
09:32:28 Single-parent families, I thought that was something
09:32:32 stood for.
09:32:32 I thought Ms. Alvarez had a great point, quote,
09:32:35 everything is going up.
09:32:37 The only part I don't agree with is the mayor's pay."
09:32:42 >>MARY ALVAREZ: I said that?
09:32:46 >>> It's in the paper.
09:32:47 Quoted.
09:32:56 >> I think that was somebody else.
09:32:58 >>> So I apologize, Ms. Alvarez.
09:33:02 And I think Ms. Alvarez is not the only one
09:33:12 experiencing a cost in living as I think everyone here
09:33:16 realizes that gas is up.
09:33:20 Everything is up.
09:33:22 Everyone is feeling the strain.
09:33:27 I feel being in the position she's in should play by
09:33:31 example and live by the same rules everyone else plays
09:33:35 by.

09:33:38 Unjust to hand out bonuses to administrators while the
09:33:40 remainder of the employees receive nothing.
09:33:48 Only go to the people who dop extraordinary work or
09:33:53 carry two positions when the remainder of the jobs
09:33:55 remain vacant.
09:33:57 (Bell sounds)
09:33:58 Is that my time?
09:33:59 >>CHAIRMAN: How much more do you have?
09:34:01 >>> Very little.
09:34:10 >>> Just recently -- this was city-wide, that all
09:34:16 employees had to Sarasota ta part in the study wanted
09:34:18 to know how employees did things.
09:34:29 This is my own opinion.
09:34:31 But to have a study come back to see exactly what the
09:34:40 study showed.
09:34:41 I feel she's aware of the fact that we are underpaid,
09:34:45 and for what we do, and thanks to the pay cuts, she's
09:34:52 trying to get to the head of the line.
09:34:53 >>GWEN MILLER: Okay.
09:34:54 Thank you.
09:34:55 >>> I appreciate you guys letting me speak.
09:34:56 Thank you very much.

09:34:57 >>GWEN MILLER: Would anyone else like to speak?
09:35:00 Okay.
09:35:02 Ms. Crum, I told you that you are next but we have a
09:35:07 9:30 presentation.
09:35:08 We have to go to them.
09:35:11 Are you ready so they can leave and go back?
09:35:15 Chief, corporal Simpson, if you will join me and help
09:35:59 me.
09:36:07 Madam Chairman, colleagues, ladies and gentlemen, good
09:36:09 morning.
09:36:10 It is my pleasure this morning to be part of the
09:36:14 honoring audience to acknowledge what our Tampa police
09:36:18 explorers have done.
09:36:19 Tampa police explorers post 275 meets weekly at TPD.
09:36:23 The explorer program is open to young men and women
09:36:26 ages 14 to 21 interested in learning about a career in
09:36:29 law enforcement.
09:36:30 Corporal Mike Simpson, a 29 year veteran of the Tampa
09:36:33 Police Department, is the director and the adviser of
09:36:36 the police explorer program.
09:36:38 He's been in traffic, patrol and crime prevention.
09:36:43 His role as an adviser is his favorite job and

09:36:47 continues to be that.
09:36:47 He also notes that two of the police officers of the
09:36:49 month, by the way, started their careers as explorers.
09:36:54 Typically, Chief Hogue and I have a script plan today.
09:37:02 I don't know who is going to help me or what.
09:37:05 There's a little bit approximate what the explorers
09:37:07 do.
09:37:07 Mike, I don't know if you want to come up and read
09:37:09 that and maybe the chief can give some comments.
09:37:11 What do you think?
09:37:12 Come on up.
09:37:17 >>> Good morning, council.
09:37:18 We do appreciate everything that you all are doing to
09:37:20 recognize this explorer program.
09:37:25 It is an exceptional group of young men and women in
09:37:29 the Tampa Police Department.
09:37:31 Obviously, you can see by the trophy that -- the
09:37:35 trophies that they have behind us, they have done some
09:37:37 extraordinary things.
09:37:40 But this is just a couple of probably a hundred
09:37:43 trophies that they have gotten over the course of the
09:37:46 years that that program has been in effect showing the

09:37:52 excellent work that this explorer post does.
09:37:54 And these explorers, they don't only participate in
09:38:01 this competition we are going to talk about a little
09:38:03 bit here today, but they provide countless hours of
09:38:06 volunteer work to the city.
09:38:07 They stand on the parade routes with the police
09:38:10 officers.
09:38:10 They stand at posts when special events occur.
09:38:15 They even ride with the police officers occasionally.
09:38:20 They provide a great service to the police department
09:38:23 and to the city.
09:38:24 And I just want to say thank you to our explorers
09:38:29 publicly, and also to corporal Simpson, who just does
09:38:32 a marvelous job.
09:38:33 It's only as good as our coordinator, and he's done a
09:38:37 great job.
09:38:38 So I would like to introduce him at this time.
09:38:40 He'll tell you a little about what they have done
09:38:42 today, and what they are being recognized for.
09:38:48 >>> Thank you, council.
09:38:50 Again I stand before you, and it's a great honor,
09:38:53 because when the city can honor the good youth of our

09:38:57 city, as we are doing, whether it is our interns,
09:39:01 whether it's our explorers, it's a marvelous things.
09:39:05 Too many times if we open up the newspaper, we listen
09:39:07 to the radio, we watch TV, we are always hearing the
09:39:10 story of the bad youth, the kids that are in the court
09:39:13 system, and here we have an opportunity to take what I
09:39:17 always say is a jewel in the crown of the city, which
09:39:20 is our explorer program.
09:39:22 What we did is, this has been a really busy year for
09:39:27 us, because the first part of the year is really
09:39:29 devoted to the training of these young men and women
09:39:33 that are in my program.
09:39:34 And we have both state competition and national
09:39:37 competition this year.
09:39:39 In June we attended the Florida association of police
09:39:42 explorer competition in Venice, Florida, that was 40
09:39:46 different law enforcement agencies, about 300
09:39:48 participants in 12 different areas of law enforcement
09:39:52 that they had to compete in.
09:39:53 They didn't even know what they were going into.
09:39:55 They showed up at a staging area.
09:39:57 The judges walked in and go, guess what -- you're

09:40:01 traffic crash investigation and would lead them to the
09:40:03 scenario. The scenario traffic crash, as a matter of
09:40:05 fact, was an overturned van in a highway construction
09:40:10 area.
09:40:10 My team went in there.
09:40:12 They took that scenario under their wing.
09:40:14 They completed the entire scenario.
09:40:16 They have 45 minutes to complete it including the
09:40:20 paperwork.
09:40:20 They completed it under time and placed first place in
09:40:23 the state in traffic.
09:40:26 Not only that, but with all the other events we placed
09:40:29 fourth place overall in the state competition, and
09:40:31 then the icing on the cake, something we have really
09:40:35 been working at, my explorer pistol team, .38 caliber
09:40:40 pistol which they went in and they won the state
09:40:42 championship for the third year in a row, which
09:40:45 allowed us to take the coveted state trophy, a
09:40:50 rotating trophy much like the Stanley Cup, when we win
09:40:54 it three years in a row, we keep it.
09:40:56 This is a permanent trophy in our trophy case now.
09:40:58 So we are very proud of that.

09:41:00 [ Applause ]
09:41:05 On top of that, explorer Ryan Smith is the top
09:41:09 shooter, the master shooter in the State of Florida
09:41:11 for .38 caliber handgun.
09:41:16 He this he's also done consistently.
09:41:19 Also with Joe Nemeth next to him is like the second
09:41:22 top shooter in the state.
09:41:23 It's kind of funny because when we go into the state
09:41:26 competitions we go to several matches during the year,
09:41:29 and we always look at people's faces when we walk in
09:41:32 the door and they always prop their heads because
09:41:35 Tampa has arrived.
09:41:38 On one of the blog sites one kid made a comment, this
09:41:41 isn't fun anymore, Tampa always wins.
09:41:44 And the comment for most kids, go out and practice
09:41:47 like they do.
09:41:47 So they devote a lot of time to this.
09:41:50 In July we traveled out to Flagstaff, Arizona, you
09:41:53 thought it was hot here?
09:41:55 Okay, Phoenix at 112 degrees.
09:41:58 In Flagstaff, Arizona we competed in the nationals,
09:42:01 4,000 students are there participating in basically

09:42:04 the same kind of police skills events.
09:42:07 In that, we took a third place in crime prevention
09:42:12 event, third place in the nation, which is not a bad
09:42:16 deal for us.
09:42:16 But once again, we brought that cake out.
09:42:19 We put a little more icing on it.
09:42:21 And Ryan stepped up for the team and took the national
09:42:26 pistol subpoena for the United States.
09:42:28 We are the pistol champions.
09:42:31 [ Applause ]
09:42:33 And that was in 9-millimeter competition with a gun
09:42:38 they never shot before.
09:42:40 Everybody had to shoot the same kind of gun.
09:42:42 That is saying something for skill.
09:42:43 Both he and Joe, you see a medal around their next.
09:42:49 In the top 20 shooters.
09:42:51 There were 800 shooters on the line for this.
09:42:53 So we are very proud of them.
09:42:54 The chief has been a great supporter of this program.
09:42:57 And so have you.
09:42:59 And we really appreciate that.
09:43:01 And again, thank you for letting us be here.

09:43:04 And thank you for recognizing the great kids of our
09:43:07 community.
09:43:08 Thank you.
09:43:12 >>ROSE FERLITA: Corporal Simpson, that was very
09:43:16 impressive.
09:43:16 We are certainly proud of our young men that represent
09:43:18 us nationally. The only thing you kept saying they
09:43:20 are very committed.
09:43:21 All of you are very committed both you and your team.
09:43:25 We have talked about this often.
09:43:26 When Mike comes by to visit.
09:43:28 As soon as he starts talking about his explorers he
09:43:30 starts gleaming.
09:43:32 Thank you for the help you have given them.
09:43:35 Obviously their future is going to be effective what
09:43:37 you have learned under -- what they have learned under
09:43:39 your leadership.
09:43:41 Chief, thank you for allowing this to happen.
09:43:42 I have been to some of their banquets.
09:43:44 Eights very nice thing and I'm happy to be part of
09:43:46 this.
09:43:47 I think we have commendations for all the young men.

09:43:50 And I think I'll read what the text is and then we'll
09:43:53 give each of them one for themselves but not
09:43:56 necessarily read it again and again and again.
09:44:07 Tampa City Council commendation presented to the Tampa
09:44:09 police explorer post 275, in recognition of your
09:44:12 participation in both state and national explorer
09:44:15 conferences.
09:44:15 Corporal Michael Simpson and Tampa police explorers
09:44:19 post 275, their third championship in June of 2006.
09:44:25 The team also placed first, third and fourth in other
09:44:29 events.
09:44:30 In July team Tampa attended the national law
09:44:33 enforcement explorers conference in Arizona, and won
09:44:36 the national 9-millimeter championship returning to
09:44:39 Tampa with the national first-place trophy.
09:44:42 Through these accomplishments you bring pride to our
09:44:45 community.
09:44:45 Therefore the City Council of the City of Tampa
09:44:47 commends you.
09:44:50 This is one of those times as chairman of public
09:44:53 safety I'm proud to say thank you for what you have
09:44:55 done.

09:44:56 [ Applause ]
09:45:01 And then maybe we can read each of them -- greet each
09:45:08 of them.
09:45:08 Do you want to come up?
09:45:10 Our first young man -- do you want to dop that and
09:45:14 I'll watch.
09:45:16 >>> The head of our program as far as the explorers
09:45:17 are the highest ranking explorer major Daniel DILLARD,
09:45:26 University of South Florida, accounting, he hopes to
09:45:28 come onto the police department next year, and we hope
09:45:30 so, too.
09:45:31 He was our first candidate up.
09:45:42 Congratulations.
09:45:49 The next one up is captain Joe Nemeth.
09:45:52 Joe is our second in the nation shooter.
09:45:56 Joe attending HCC.
09:46:00 He aspires to be a Tampa police officer, take special
09:46:03 pride because he's mine.
09:46:11 Our third winner, national championship, state
09:46:13 championship, is explorer sergeant Ryan Smith.
09:46:17 Ryan is attending HCC.
09:46:19 All these guys also work kind of a full, part-time

09:46:26 jobs.
09:46:26 Most of them are full-time jobs.
09:46:28 He will still be with us for about two more years so
09:46:31 the other teams can still shake in their boots a
09:46:33 little bit.
09:46:34 [ Applause ]
09:46:41 Next up is corporal Thomas Shinall, a -- attending
09:46:48 HCC, very active in our ride-along program, very
09:46:52 active in the district office, makes a reputation for
09:46:55 himself as being there to help out.
09:46:58 His nickname is "the bird" and he too is a very
09:47:02 valuable member of our program.
09:47:04 [ Applause ]
09:47:14 Also scored the winning touchdown in the flag football
09:47:17 team in the state that we won first place.
09:47:20 Next up is Josh Spielberger, a corporal with our
09:47:27 program.
09:47:28 Part of his assignment is to train Tampa new kids that
09:47:30 come in.
09:47:31 So he and another explorer actually work with the kids
09:47:35 teaching them all the rules and regulations of the
09:47:36 program.

09:47:39 [ Applause ]
09:47:44 Last but not least, a fairly new member to our
09:47:47 program, he came in at the end of last year, Reidel
09:47:53 Martinez.
09:47:54 Within the first three months of being in our program
09:47:56 at the end of the year, we have an awards banquet, and
09:47:58 he was awarded the most dedicated explorer.
09:48:01 We have locks on the police department doors to keep
09:48:05 him out 24-7, okay, because he would be there as long
09:48:09 as he could get in the door.
09:48:11 He's very dedicated and you will probably see much
09:48:13 more of him in the future.
09:48:14 [ Applause ]
09:48:27 >>ROSE FERLITA: I think that pretty much concludes our
09:48:28 program.
09:48:29 We thank you young men and thank you for the
09:48:31 recognition you give us on a national basis.
09:48:34 We have some presents in here for the explorers.
09:48:37 Chief, if you can join us and we can have some
09:48:39 pictures.
09:48:40 Thanks very much.
09:48:41 >>GWEN MILLER: Congratulations, guys.

09:48:44 [ Applause ]
09:48:45 Now, miss Kimberley Crum.
09:48:51 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Come on down.
09:48:53 Thank you for your hard work.
09:49:01 >>> Good morning again.
09:49:02 I'm Kimberley Crum, director for human resources, here
09:49:08 to speak on number 18, the judgment to the mayor's
09:49:11 salary.
09:49:11 >>MARY ALVAREZ: 16.
09:49:13 >>> Thank you for the correction.
09:49:14 Number 16, the adjustment to the mayor's salary.
09:49:19 Notary public recent year the mayor's salary has been
09:49:22 increased about every eight years N. 1991 the mire's
09:49:25 salary was set at $110,000.
09:49:28 And in 1999 it was increased to $135,000.
09:49:33 That was about a 14% increase and represents about --
09:49:38 the suggestion that we are making today actually is
09:49:40 based on several local jurisdictions who have strong
09:49:45 mayor forms of government.
09:49:47 St. Petersburg's mayor today earns $150,000.
09:49:51 And that salary adjusts annually by an
09:49:55 across-the-board increase to our employees here in the

09:49:59 city.
09:50:00 The Orlando mayor's salary is $147,000, and that
09:50:04 salary adjusts annually as well.
09:50:07 The recommendation that we are making is that the
09:50:09 mayor's salary be increased to $150,000 to be paid
09:50:14 with the local market and similar forms of government
09:50:20 that would represent about a 14% increase.
09:50:23 And, in addition, that salary increase would not take
09:50:26 effect until April 1st of the coming year, 2007.
09:50:31 I would also like to ask that we apply the best
09:50:33 practice of adjusting the mayor's salary annually as
09:50:39 we do with other employees here in the city including
09:50:43 council members.
09:50:44 And so the recommendation is again, $150,000 with an
09:50:48 annual adjustment.
09:50:51 >>GWEN MILLER: Mr. Harrison.
09:50:52 >>SHAWN HARRISON: Ms. Crum, the language says that it
09:50:55 will adjust annually with managerial positions and it
09:51:00 will be no more than 3%, is that the same language
09:51:03 that governs our annual cost of living adjustments,
09:51:09 council members?
09:51:10 >>> Yes, it is.

09:51:11 >> So that is identical to what it says council member
09:51:13 receive each year for their adjustment.
09:51:15 >>> Yes, it is.
09:51:16 And it's never to be more than 3% annually.
09:51:21 >>MARY ALVAREZ: Thank you, Madam Chairman.
09:51:24 Ms. Crum, when I was doing my research on the way it
09:51:28 was brought about back in 1998, the motion by the City
09:51:33 Council at that time was that this would be a
09:51:38 managerial increase annually for the City Council and
09:51:40 the mayor.
09:51:42 And I was just wondering why the mayor was left out of
09:51:46 the annual increase as the rest of them.
09:51:49 Because it was in that resolution.
09:51:50 But it didn't pass through when the annual increase is
09:51:54 supposed to be happening.
09:51:57 >>> The research that we have done into that shows
09:51:59 that while it was in the meeting minutes from the
09:52:03 council meeting, it was not in the resolution that was
09:52:07 signed.
09:52:07 And I have been able to find no explanation for the
09:52:11 discrepancy.
09:52:12 >>MARY ALVAREZ: Right.

09:52:16 I saw the minutes of the council meeting at that time.
09:52:21 And I believe it was the chairman that had made that
09:52:24 recommendation at the time.
09:52:25 But it never got to the resolution.
09:52:28 I guess that was the problem.
09:52:29 And I was wondering where the break was, because we
09:52:33 wouldn't be having this conversation at this time had
09:52:35 that happened.
09:52:37 It was back in 1999.
09:52:39 So you are not aware of anything that could have
09:52:41 happened, you know, that it didn't pass through to the
09:52:45 resolution?
09:52:46 >>> I'm not aware of why that would be the case.
09:52:48 >> All right.
09:52:49 Thank you.
09:52:51 >>ROSE FERLITA: I just want to make a couple comments.
09:52:55 I'm sure that all of us got letters from employees and
09:52:58 constituents, both for and against.
09:53:00 And I'm looking at one particularly that I just wanted
09:53:03 to read briefly just the last paragraph.
09:53:05 I stated at the beginning -- this is from a city
09:53:08 employee-oh I'm not fundamentally opposed to the

09:53:11 increase of the city of mayor's salary.
09:53:15 I recognize the enormity of this position.
09:53:18 I do however feel strongly that this decision should
09:53:20 be fully discussed and the responsibilities and
09:53:22 compensation for this position be fairly and
09:53:24 accurately weighed against other municipal sector
09:53:29 positions.
09:53:29 All city job responsibilities and compensations are
09:53:33 being studied at this time.
09:53:34 Why not hold the mayor to the same standard?
09:53:39 I certainly made some comments and have been very
09:53:42 candid about my sense of where worry going with and
09:53:45 thank you for bringing it forward.
09:53:46 I think that's a task that maybe somebody wouldn't
09:53:50 have wanted to have.
09:53:51 But I just want to say that this is absolutely not
09:53:53 about whether or not that Mayor Iorio deserve it a
09:53:58 raise, whether or not it's warranted.
09:53:59 Looking at this and doing your data and doing your
09:54:01 research shows that we are looking at something that's
09:54:03 comparable to other municipalities, Orlando, St. Pete
09:54:07 I think are two of the ones referenced in your memo.

09:54:10 And I think if we want to go back and forth maybe you
09:54:13 can find someplace where we are ahead of other
09:54:15 municipalities and in some case where is we are behind
09:54:17 and I understand why the need for adjustment.
09:54:20 What I don't understand is why we are discussing this
09:54:22 at this point.
09:54:24 I think the Tribune is supportive of this and they did
09:54:28 so by stating it in their editorial a few days ago,
09:54:33 that council members should consider this strictly a
09:54:36 business decision.
09:54:36 And that's what I do lots of times.
09:54:38 So I heed their advice and I agree with what they have
09:54:41 said.
09:54:41 And that's really where I have a problem, because I am
09:54:44 looking at this as a Betty Wiggins decision.
09:54:46 We are in the middle of a compensation study that has
09:54:49 not been completed.
09:54:50 And whatever it comes up with and whatever the
09:54:53 recommendations are and where we go because of this is
09:54:56 yet to be seen.
09:54:58 Even in a small business arena, I always feel that you
09:55:00 take care of your hourly wage, you take care of your

09:55:04 rank and file, you make sure there are no morale
09:55:06 problems, and I believe that right now, whether it's
09:55:09 justified or not, I find a lot of morale problems, in
09:55:15 rank and file employees.
09:55:16 So until that's addressed and until they feel
09:55:19 comfortable that where we get in terms of what they
09:55:21 are given and what they are not given is justified by
09:55:23 the study, it warrants some problems.
09:55:28 So again let me just reiterate, not to do with the
09:55:32 person in office, not to do with the position itself,
09:55:34 not to do with whether or not it's needed, I really
09:55:36 don't think that even if we have a precedent that has
09:55:41 already been through twice it's not going to demolish
09:55:44 the entire precedent process by waiting another year,
09:55:47 or at least awhile till we can see what else the other
09:55:50 employees are looking at, but they feel good that we
09:55:54 gave them a fair answer.
09:55:55 I don't think we are there yet.
09:55:57 And I think it would be an injustice to the employees
09:55:59 that work for the city for me to support it. So based
09:56:01 on those reasons on the record, that is the reason I
09:56:03 will not support this.

09:56:05 Nothing to do personally with the mayor or what she
09:56:07 represents or the job she has done.
09:56:09 That's my position.
09:56:10 Thank you.
09:56:11 >>GWEN MILLER: Mr. Harrison.
09:56:12 >>SHAWN HARRISON: Madam Chair, I will support this.
09:56:19 I think that St. Petersburg is a great example for us
09:56:22 to look at.
09:56:26 St. Pete council just increased mayor baker's salary,
09:56:29 I think within the last six months or so.
09:56:31 It's been relatively recent.
09:56:33 And if you will note, what they have also done this
09:56:36 year is they decreased their millage rate.
09:56:38 And I don't think those two are mutually exclusive
09:56:43 necessarily.
09:56:43 So I think that you can be fiscally responsible and
09:56:49 conservative and make sure that we are spending
09:56:51 taxpayer dollars wisely and trying to strive to hold
09:56:56 the line on that, yet recognize the value of the
09:57:00 position.
09:57:02 And we are the largest city along the I-4 corridor, at
09:57:07 least until you get up to Jacksonville, but the mayor

09:57:11 of Orlando and mayor of St. Petersburg make more than
09:57:13 the mayor of Tampa currently does, and we are the
09:57:16 larger city of the three.
09:57:18 So I think it's just a nod to the reality of where the
09:57:22 City of Tampa fits in.
09:57:23 It's not a referendum on a past mayor or a current
09:57:27 mayor.
09:57:28 It's a recognition of what the job entails and what's
09:57:31 fair compensation for that job.
09:57:32 And I do think that it's fair to increase the pay, at
09:57:37 least at a minimum to be equal to what the mayor of
09:57:39 St. Petersburg makes.
09:57:42 >>MARY ALVAREZ: I too will support the resolution.
09:57:47 As I have stated before, had the wishes of the council
09:57:52 in 1998 been applied to in that resolution, somehow it
09:57:57 missed it, we wouldn't be talking about it this time.
09:58:00 She would have had an annual increase, just like
09:58:03 everybody else, 3%.
09:58:06 But it didn't happen.
09:58:07 So it's only fair that -- as a matter of fact, it
09:58:13 would have been -- or Mayor Greco would have gotten it
09:58:16 for four years, and then she would have gotten it for

09:58:18 the next three years.
09:58:20 And this is not coming due until April the 7th.
09:58:23 And I want to remained the council, that council
09:58:27 salaries will be increased at that time, too.
09:58:29 So I strongly recommend that the rest of the
09:58:35 council -- Ms. Ferlita already said she won't support
09:58:40 it -- that we pass this.
09:58:42 It's only fair for the mayor.
09:58:43 She's done a great job.
09:58:48 The mayor of St. Petersburg, he doesn't have as many
09:58:54 constituents or people that we do.
09:58:57 We have 333,000 people.
09:58:59 They have only got 207 according to what the Tribune
09:59:03 said in the article.
09:59:04 So she certainly deserve that is raise and I will
09:59:08 certainly support it.
09:59:10 >>GWEN MILLER: Mrs. Saul-Sena.
09:59:12 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I will be supporting this.
09:59:14 I think one of the other considerations that hasn't
09:59:16 been mentioned is we need to continue to have
09:59:19 excellent department heads, appropriate for the mayor
09:59:23 of the community to make more than the department

09:59:25 head.
09:59:28 We recognize that the improvement by having an annual
09:59:32 adjustment will mean that we won't have to do a
09:59:35 drastic step like this.
09:59:36 It will be incremental each year.
09:59:38 And I think that will serve future mayors and future
09:59:40 council and future -- the community better in the
09:59:43 future, because it won't be -- it will be a more
09:59:46 gradual recognition of the cost of living, and the
09:59:50 appropriate -- in our city compensation.
09:59:55 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Thank you, Madam Chair.
09:59:58 First off, I think we have all received some e-mails
10:00:02 and some phone calls from son employees who are
10:00:06 concerned about their wages.
10:00:07 And I think we are all very clear that we need to pay
10:00:11 all of our employees a fair wage, and make sure that
10:00:15 it is comparable, you know, with the private sector
10:00:19 and with other governments.
10:00:20 So I'm sure Ms. Crumb is -- Crum is going to keep up
10:00:24 on that and make sure that our employees get what is
10:00:26 due to them.
10:00:29 Some of the calls I have received have gotten a little

10:00:32 bit personal in regard to the mayor.
10:00:35 And I want to say -- and I think I can speak on behalf
10:00:37 of all council, because we observe the mayor probably
10:00:40 as close or closer than anybody else -- that Mayor
10:00:44 Iorio is the hardest working employee that this city
10:00:47 has.
10:00:48 She works six days a week that I know of, maybe seven.
10:00:53 But I know she works six days a week for this city,
10:00:56 probably 10, 12 hours a day.
10:00:59 She goes home to have din we are her family and then
10:01:02 she goes back out to dinners and things like that.
10:01:04 You know, I think that the city gets their money's
10:01:08 worth and then some.
10:01:10 >>ROSE FERLITA: Well, I agree that she works a great
10:01:12 deal but I don't know that -- I don't know if any of
10:01:16 our employees are the hardest working.
10:01:18 We have a great deal of hard working employees.
10:01:20 Interesting that Mr. Harrison brought that up.
10:01:22 I didn't realize that, Shaun, that the -- Shawn, that
10:01:27 the St. Pete mayor had an increase at the same time,
10:01:30 something that you and I have been looking at on this
10:01:32 side of the bay for millage going down so that same

10:01:34 balance about extending some courtesies back to the
10:01:37 city do not seem to be the same where this
10:01:39 administration is going to go with the budget time.
10:01:41 And I stated my reasons.
10:01:44 I don't need to continue top do that.
10:01:45 I just think that the timing is the issue that I have
10:01:48 a problem with, weak link that I have the problem
10:01:50 with.
10:01:50 And I also want to just make a comment based on what
10:01:54 Ms. Alvarez said.
10:01:56 Yes, the City Council will be getting a raise the next
10:01:58 term.
10:02:00 I don't think that you supported that, Ms. Alvarez, by
10:02:02 the way.
10:02:03 >>MARY ALVAREZ: No, I didn't.
10:02:04 >>ROSE FERLITA: I supported it but because of the fact
10:02:06 that I know for sure I will not be the recipient of
10:02:08 that increase.
10:02:11 >>MARY ALVAREZ: I won't either.
10:02:12 >>ROSE FERLITA: That is the reason I supported it.
10:02:16 I think later better than now would be my preference.
10:02:23 >>GWEN MILLER: Anything else?

10:02:27 >>> Thank you for your consideration.
10:02:28 And the administration does look forward to completing
10:02:31 the study for pay and classification for our
10:02:34 employees.
10:02:35 >>GWEN MILLER: Now you say you're going to finish the
10:02:35 study. Does that mean city employees are going to get
10:02:35 their raise?
10:02:43 >>> What the pay classification study will classify
10:02:46 each of those jobs in a proper pay grade.
10:02:49 And then the prior administration policy will be
10:02:51 applied to that.
10:02:54 >>GWEN MILLER: How long before the study is completed?
10:02:57 >>> The study is due to be completed October 31st.
10:03:01 >> And we will get a copy of it to share with the city
10:03:03 employees?
10:03:04 >> I look forward to that.
10:03:06 >> Okay.
10:03:08 >>SHAWN HARRISON: Public comment is already over.
10:03:18 >>> Darrell Smith, chief of staff.
10:03:21 I would like to request a couple of additional
10:03:23 comments, if I could, please.
10:03:28 >>GWEN MILLER: Public comment is already over with.

10:03:31 [ Laughter ]
10:03:34 >>> I guess I'll wait till tend of the meeting then.
10:03:36 [ Laughter ]
10:03:39 >>GWEN MILLER: Go ahead.
10:03:40 >>> Two things that's important to point out a couple
10:03:42 of things.
10:03:42 One, the MGT study.
10:03:45 That is a very important initiative on the part of the
10:03:47 administration that has not been accomplished in over
10:03:51 25 years.
10:03:52 To take a look at pay and compensation for city
10:03:56 employees, both from an internal and external
10:04:00 perspective.
10:04:00 And that is the approach that we are relying on to see
10:04:06 how we stack up both internally and externally with
10:04:10 salaries of other jurisdictions.
10:04:13 When we went into that MGT study, there was a
10:04:17 conscious decision on the part of council, and the
10:04:19 administration, not to include elected officials in
10:04:24 the MGT study.
10:04:27 And to at this point make a determination that the
10:04:34 mayor's position should be included in the MGT study

10:04:39 would be kind of changing a process that was already
10:04:42 established and approved and the game plan as we went
10:04:45 into this.
10:04:46 I know Ms. Ferlita is very strongly behind the process
10:04:49 and doing the right things as far as how we start out
10:04:53 and how we go about things.
10:04:54 So I would again caution us against getting into
10:04:58 anything with regard to MGT study and elected
10:05:01 officials.
10:05:02 With regard to the comments about taking care of rank
10:05:05 and file employees, I think this administration has
10:05:09 had a very strong record of taking rank and foil
10:05:12 employees into consideration in our salary and
10:05:15 benefits plan.
10:05:17 We recognize immediately that the City of Tampa,
10:05:21 salary and benefits plan, was not competitive with our
10:05:25 other jurisdictions in the local area, especially from
10:05:27 the retirement benefits.
10:05:31 We took immediate action and started raising,
10:05:33 coordinating with council approval, increases in the
10:05:39 market.
10:05:39 It started at 1.1 when the state retirement system was

10:05:43 1.6.
10:05:44 We have raised it twice.
10:05:46 We are now at 1.2.
10:05:48 Our commitment, as long as the revenues, will be to
10:05:53 accomplish the goal of 1.6 by the end of the second
10:05:56 term of this administration.
10:05:59 That is a very important thing for rank and file
10:06:03 employees.
10:06:04 With regard to the point about business decision, I
10:06:07 don't know anyone in the business communicate that
10:06:14 filled an established salary position in 1999 and in
10:06:17 today's economy leaves that position alone for seven
10:06:20 years and not make any increase in the salary.
10:06:24 Because the employee in that position or the employees
10:06:27 that would be considered to come into that position
10:06:32 would hear it as simply not competitive.
10:06:36 That's why we feel very strongly that the mayor's
10:06:38 position should be increased to the 150,000 mark
10:06:44 competitive with St. Petersburg, competitive with
10:06:46 Orlando, and established for 1 April 2007
10:06:51 implementation, and applying to the mayor that comes
10:06:53 into office in that term.

10:06:55 Thank you very much.
10:06:58 >>ROSE FERLITA: I thought I was finished but since Mr.
10:07:00 Smith direct add couple things my way I'll just
10:07:03 comment to you, Mr. Smith, you and I had conversation.
10:07:06 You're right, I am strong on process.
10:07:07 I don't have a problem with be process.
10:07:09 I have a problem with the timing that we are extending
10:07:11 this process and what's going on around it.
10:07:13 And in terms of somebody who comes into this office
10:07:15 after this, looking at this and wondering whether or
10:07:18 not it was comparable to anything else or worth it or
10:07:20 whatever your words were, I do want to tell you -- and
10:07:23 I don't think there's anybody that knows this better
10:07:26 than Mayor Iorio because of her long years of service
10:07:28 in the public sector -- public service is certainly
10:07:31 not about salary.
10:07:34 Public service is about public service.
10:07:36 So I think if someone were coming in as someone to
10:07:39 follow Pam Iorio, if that's what you were referring
10:07:41 to, I don't think they would be looking at salary.
10:07:43 They would be looking at the service to give our
10:07:45 community.

10:07:47 Just something I wanted to comment on.
10:07:49 >>> I would hope that's the case, but I cannot be
10:07:52 sure --
10:07:53 >>ROSE FERLITA: I can tell you as a member of this
10:07:54 council that lots of people up here might think they
10:07:59 should have gotten more money as they came on board
10:08:02 but they committed to that position of public service
10:08:04 not because of the council salary, because of the
10:08:06 commitment to their community.
10:08:08 Same thing with Pam and hopefully same thing with the
10:08:10 next person that the voters decide on.
10:08:13 It's all about public service.
10:08:14 It's not about the money.
10:08:16 >>> And in conjunction with that --
10:08:21 >>ROSE FERLITA: Public service is all about public
10:08:22 service, not about the money.
10:08:24 >>> Thank you, Madam Chairman.
10:08:25 >>GWEN MILLER: Thank you.
10:08:26 We are going to hold it till we get to committee
10:08:28 reports.
10:08:33 >>MARY ALVAREZ: Move the resolution.
10:08:35 >>GWEN MILLER: Under committee reports.

10:08:50 16 is under Mr. White.
10:08:52 >>MARTIN SHELBY: If you want to do it under committee
10:08:55 reports you can hold it by unanimous consent.
10:09:01 >>KEVIN WHITE: Move item 16.
10:09:06 >> Second.
10:09:07 >>GWEN MILLER: We have a motion and second to move
10:09:09 item 16.
10:09:10 All in favor?
10:09:11 Opposed say Nay.
10:09:12 >>ROSE FERLITA: Nay for the reasons stated.
10:09:15 >>GWEN MILLER: Thank you.
10:09:17 We go now to item number 3.
10:09:23 >>REBECCA KERT: Legal department.
10:09:24 I'm here regarding site plans to the neighborhood.
10:09:33 If council would like to go in this direction our
10:09:35 recommendation would be that the petitioner be
10:09:37 required to provide a reduced site plan to all
10:09:40 recipients.
10:09:41 We felt an equity issue and it's very important that
10:09:45 all parties who receive notice receive the same
10:09:47 notice.
10:09:47 That being said, council's direction will require a

10:09:51 code amendment.
10:09:56 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Your recommendation is that
10:09:58 everyone within the 250-foot notice area would receive
10:10:02 the same notice as well as the neighborhood
10:10:06 organization.
10:10:07 In some cases, for example, if there were very dense
10:10:12 development in proximity, that would be a huge number.
10:10:17 And I feel frustrated, frankly, by your response
10:10:23 because I feel that the neighborhood organization
10:10:26 would receive one site plan which is, you know, a
10:10:29 modest cost.
10:10:31 There is the opportunity for this to be very expensive
10:10:34 for the petitioner, and therefore almost prohibitive.
10:10:39 And it seems to me that a neighborhood organization
10:10:42 has the opportunity to, you know, disburse the
10:10:46 information throughout the group.
10:10:49 Could there be -- did you all consider that the
10:10:53 neighborhood organization would receive one copy, and
10:10:57 the neighbors could receive a copy -- did you truly
10:11:06 consider this a neighborhood organization could
10:11:08 receive a copy, and the -- and that would suffice?
10:11:14 >>REBECCA KERT: We did.

10:11:15 And we had a couple of concerns.
10:11:17 Basically, the issue is not all neighborhood
10:11:20 associations operate equally.
10:11:21 Not all of them are as active.
10:11:23 And therefore you were going to have some people who
10:11:25 are not going to be receiving that site plan and you
10:11:31 have some people not having that access.
10:11:35 It's for a reduced site plan to all parties.
10:11:37 I guess I would suggest as a compromise if you go to
10:11:39 the neighborhood association would need a full size
10:11:42 site plan, then at the very least you have a reduced
10:11:45 site plan sent to the other people who receive notice.
10:11:54 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I don't understand why it's a legal
10:11:56 issue at all.
10:11:57 I really don't.
10:11:58 To me it sounds more like a policy issue.
10:12:01 You are not talking about two groups that are the
10:12:04 same.
10:12:05 In other words, I agree with you 100%.
10:12:07 If we said next door neighbor Annie would get a big
10:12:11 site plan and next door neighbor B would not get a
10:12:14 site plan then that's truly that's inequitable because

10:12:18 they are the same.
10:12:18 But a neighborhood association is a different animal.
10:12:21 It was created differently.
10:12:24 Long ago, we created the circle for all neighbors, and
10:12:28 then it was subsequent that we created the
10:12:30 neighborhood association notice.
10:12:34 I mean, yeah, we want to be fair and equitable when
10:12:37 the entity is the same.
10:12:39 But to me they are different entities.
10:12:42 So I don't know.
10:12:43 I also think a shrunken down site plan is virtually
10:12:49 worthless because when you take the PD site plan and
10:12:52 shrink it down to 8.5 by 11, it doesn't tell you
10:12:56 anything, in most cases.
10:12:58 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I have another suggestion.
10:12:59 Okay.
10:13:00 Currently, the petitioner is required to provide a
10:13:05 courtesy notification to the neighborhood
10:13:07 organization.
10:13:10 Isn't that the case?
10:13:11 >>CATHERINE COYLE: Land development.
10:13:12 It is true that the neighborhood association, property

10:13:16 owners within 250 feet are two different entities.
10:13:18 However they are treated the same in the notice
10:13:20 requirements.
10:13:20 Everyone receives the exact same letter.
10:13:22 The letter is entitled good neighbor notice, adjacent
10:13:25 property owners.
10:13:28 In the code requirement for what rezoning, special
10:13:33 use, they are all noticed exactly the same on the
10:13:37 exact same days.
10:13:38 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Right now if a neighbor -- let's
10:13:41 say a neighbor gets a letter and they see this
10:13:43 petition is for a PD.
10:13:45 How do they take a look at the full site plan?
10:13:49 Do they have to come down to City Hall?
10:13:51 >>> Everyone would have to come down.
10:13:52 Otherwise contact the petitioner.
10:13:54 Their phone number is on the letter and they could
10:13:56 have a meeting with them.
10:13:58 >> Is the petitioner required to provide a full site
10:14:01 plan to the neighbors who want to see it?
10:14:05 >>> Not required by code, no.
10:14:07 >> Okay.

10:14:07 What I am talking about right now is a policy issue.
10:14:09 And I recognize that not all neighborhoods have their
10:14:12 act together as well as others.
10:14:14 But, frankly, the neighborhoods that are experiencing
10:14:17 a great deal of development have become organized
10:14:21 because they want to understand what initiatives are
10:14:26 being proposed in the neighborhood.
10:14:27 Way would like to propose is that as a courtesy, that
10:14:37 council, as a policy, requests that developers provide
10:14:41 one full size site plan to the neighborhood
10:14:44 organization.
10:15:00 Provide a full set of plans to the neighborhood
10:15:02 organization.
10:15:03 And I make that in the form of a proposal.
10:15:10 A motion rather.
10:15:11 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: How do we do that?
10:15:13 It's just a request.
10:15:15 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Yes, that if legal is saying it's
10:15:18 going to create process questions if this is a
10:15:22 requirement, then I suggested a strongly encouraged
10:15:30 proposal as a courtesy notification that developers
10:15:33 provide the neighborhood organization with a full site

10:15:37 plan.
10:15:38 I don't think I am onerous when I say I think they
10:15:42 need to do that and if they don't do that --
10:15:47 >>> But it's not a requirement of code.
10:15:48 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: If it were code requirement it
10:15:52 would be a strong encouragement by council.
10:15:56 >>GWEN MILLER: Do you have the site plans in your
10:15:59 office that they can come in and view them?
10:16:02 >>CATHERINE COYLE: We do.
10:16:04 >>GWEN MILLER: Do they come and see them if they want
10:16:07 to see them?
10:16:08 They still have the opportunity to see them.
10:16:16 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I have a request, in all due respect
10:16:18 to Ms. Kert.
10:16:19 I do recognize that both Ms. Coyle and Mr. Smith -- I
10:16:25 understand what council's intention is, the consensus.
10:16:32 If council would seek a one-week continuance on this,
10:16:36 then I can be able to at least come to council to
10:16:44 perhaps be able to accomplish it.
10:16:48 I do agree with the analysis that there's an equal
10:16:50 protection, that people with family need to be treated
10:16:53 equally, and you can't treat people differently.

10:16:56 So with that analysis, I do agree with it.
10:16:59 But perhaps in discussion with Ms. Cole and city
10:17:04 attorney Smith that -- understanding what council's
10:17:07 desire is, perhaps come up with other alternatives in
10:17:10 addition to the suggestion that legal department
10:17:13 provided.
10:17:14 >>ROSE FERLITA: Mr. Shelby, I agree with you, not to
10:17:16 bring up the famous words process that Mr. Smith
10:17:20 referred to awhile ago.
10:17:21 But I agree with the analysis.
10:17:22 But the process, and our intention to be fair to the
10:17:27 neighbors is going to be a problem.
10:17:28 At this juncture I would not support what her
10:17:30 recommendation -- what Ms. Saul-Sena's recommendation
10:17:33 is because some developers say you can't tell me what
10:17:36 to do.
10:17:37 If it's not mandated I am not going to do it so
10:17:40 someone that may want to be more cooperative may not
10:17:43 do it because all of a sudden somebody is -- they are
10:17:45 not really able to do.
10:17:47 You have the neighborhood leadership that doesn't know
10:17:49 if this developer is going to give to the them or they

10:17:51 are not, or do they have to come pull this copy?
10:17:53 I think in an effort to create a good, efficient
10:17:58 process, we are going to cause some confusion.
10:18:01 So I think it's wise and I think it's prudent in terms
10:18:03 of your recommendation to wait till Mr. Smith gets
10:18:06 back and have a couple of weeks continuance.
10:18:08 Ms. Coyle, you can weigh in certainly with the legal
10:18:11 department.
10:18:15 >> Move to continue.
10:18:16 >> Second.
10:18:16 >>THE CLERK: Two weeks you are not in session then.
10:18:21 >>GWEN MILLER: Three weeks then.
10:18:22 Change the motion to throw weeks.
10:18:23 All in favor of that motion say Aye.
10:18:25 Opposed, Nay.
10:18:26 (Motion carried).
10:18:28 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Just an observation.
10:18:32 I realize site plans do change.
10:18:34 And is there going to be a continuing obligation with
10:18:36 regard to providing that kind of notice depending
10:18:38 on --
10:18:39 >>ROSE FERLITA: That's why we need the continuance to

10:18:41 talk about it.
10:18:42 >>GWEN MILLER: We'll talk about that in the
10:18:44 continuance.
10:18:44 Item number 4.
10:18:47 >>GLORIA MOREDA: Land development.
10:18:50 Council, I believe, asked for a report on a proposed
10:18:55 river overlay.
10:18:58 Land Development Coordination has a very busy work
10:19:01 schedule right now.
10:19:03 I have identified the lead planner in developing a
10:19:09 river overlay.
10:19:10 But right now, our work schedule is such that I am
10:19:13 asking council to allow us not to begin really this
10:19:16 process until October.
10:19:18 And then we can report back on his progress.
10:19:23 He is to do research, genre search on the motion that
10:19:26 was made by council, as well as attending the river
10:19:29 task force.
10:19:30 But we do have a number of items that we really need
10:19:32 to get passed before we can fully address the issues
10:19:37 of the river overlay.
10:19:38 >>GWEN MILLER: How many weeks?

10:19:40 >>> I would like maybe to report back in mid December.
10:19:43 >>GWEN MILLER: Can we get a motion?
10:19:45 >>> Second.
10:19:45 >>GWEN MILLER: Motion and second.
10:19:46 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: This is my initiative.
10:19:50 I am very eager for it to happen.
10:19:52 I understand your workload.
10:19:54 I think already very knowledgeable about that and I
10:19:59 hope by December you will be coming to us with a
10:20:01 draft.
10:20:01 >>> I don't know about a draft but we will come back
10:20:04 and report back.
10:20:04 >>GWEN MILLER: I have a motion and second.
10:20:07 All in favor.
10:20:08 (Motion carried).
10:20:09 Item number 5.
10:20:14 Is anybody here for number 5?
10:20:21 >> I do have a memo that they provided council.
10:20:24 I believe he requested a continuance.
10:20:26 August 24th.
10:20:28 >>GWEN MILLER: I have a motion and second.
10:20:29 (Motion carried).

10:20:31 Is there anyone in the public that would like to ask
10:20:33 for reconsideration?
10:20:38 Would anyone like to ask for Rae consideration?
10:20:39 I know you go to our committee reports.
10:20:46 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I'll move items 6 through 8.
10:20:49 >> Second.
10:20:49 (Motion carried).
10:20:51 >> Parks and recreation, Ms. Alvarez.
10:20:53 >> I move items 9 through 12.
10:20:58 >> We have a motion and second on the question.
10:21:01 Ms. Saul-Sena, question.
10:21:03 >> Thank you, Madam Chairman.
10:21:04 On item it I have the pleasure of attending the Steps
10:21:09 luncheon for the people who participate in the mayor's
10:21:12 beautification program Steps program where they work
10:21:14 and they learn.
10:21:15 They have 100% high school graduation, which is a very
10:21:19 impressive statistic, and a great number of them, I
10:21:22 believe 40% going off to college and a number of them
10:21:25 going the City of Tampa.
10:21:31 It was one of those feel-good events about young
10:21:33 people in our community doing good things and I think

10:21:35 the mayor's beautification committee is one of the
10:21:40 real shining stars in our community, and they such
10:21:45 good things with the community.
10:21:50 It is committing to them and the particular program is
10:21:53 so well worth it.
10:21:54 >> We have a motion and second.
10:21:56 (Motion carried).
10:21:57 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I see David McCary is here on 14
10:22:10 and 15.
10:22:17 Just a little background on this.
10:22:18 Items 14 and 15 relate to the fact that last year we
10:22:21 had to take over certain area of solid waste pickup
10:22:27 because of the contract issues.
10:22:28 So as a result, we needed to lease equipment.
10:22:32 That's what these items relate to, is the past lease
10:22:35 and the continuing lease.
10:22:38 Gentlemen?
10:22:42 >>> Greg spearman.
10:22:45 We are hear to speak on items 14 and 15.
10:22:47 David McCary is with me.
10:22:51 These two items are in reference to the northwest
10:22:54 area, item 14, and item number 15, second part of

10:23:01 number 14 is related to City Center.
10:23:03 Item 14, the first part is related to side loaders,
10:23:08 and also on the second item, that's related to rear
10:23:10 loaders.
10:23:11 And Mr. McCary is going to speak to you in
10:23:14 particular from an operational standpoint why we are
10:23:17 requesting these items for approval today.
10:23:19 >>GWEN MILLER: Thank you.
10:23:24 >>> David McCary: Good morning, City Council.
10:23:28 >> One of the things to pay attention to is we created
10:23:31 a seamless transition from the northwest and City
10:23:35 Center.
10:23:36 That's the one the particular contracted area, that
10:23:39 have been contracted out for 25 years.
10:23:42 And through the dedicated employees of the solid waste
10:23:48 department they were able to pull off what this H
10:23:50 never been heard of before.
10:23:51 We are looking now that we are providing the service.
10:23:54 One of the things that we didn't have with this in our
10:23:57 favor was the actual equipment.
10:23:59 So we were able to go out on an emergency basis and
10:24:02 actually rent that equipment.

10:24:05 I would also like to remind you that in some of the
10:24:09 bids, when they came in a couple of times when we
10:24:12 would bid it, the service to the contract area for
10:24:14 private sector, save a million dollars in our actual
10:24:21 costs for us to provide the same level of service.
10:24:23 So some of the bids that came in were well over 2
10:24:27 million to 3 million above what the same level of
10:24:32 service was the last time.
10:24:34 Again, this is only to ratify and confirm the
10:24:37 equipment that we currently had to lease under the
10:24:40 emergency basis, just so that we didn't get caught off
10:24:44 guard, and at the same time that carried us through
10:24:47 this year for 2006, and depending on the funds being
10:24:52 available for next year, it also allows us to look
10:24:55 into a better lease agreement.
10:24:58 Again these are lease times that are on emergency
10:25:01 conditions.
10:25:01 And typically when you are able to negotiate it, you
10:25:04 can reduce that cost by 60%.
10:25:07 So it's one of those things where, as we move forward
10:25:12 as a department, you will see this synergy created,
10:25:17 look to see what ways we can save money, regardless if

10:25:20 it's a permanent system or not.
10:25:24 And we are looking to lease for two consecutive years
10:25:30 twice after that, because we'll be providing the
10:25:32 services for five years until the administration could
10:25:35 make a permanent decision on this.
10:25:40 >>MARY ALVAREZ: Mr. McCary, the lease agreements,
10:25:43 how long?
10:25:46 >>> It actually started all the way back from
10:25:48 September 1 of '05 and actually carries us through
10:25:52 this budget fiscal year of '06.
10:25:55 It has a contingency of dollars available for '07.
10:25:59 And that is only there to give us an opportunity to
10:26:02 transition into better agreements.
10:26:04 In the event we have to purchase or lease.
10:26:07 >>MARY ALVAREZ: That was my next question, was the
10:26:11 purchase of these trucks.
10:26:14 Are they a lot more expensive than leasing them?
10:26:18 >>> What happens is when you purchase them, then of
10:26:19 course we are under the assumption we are going to
10:26:21 have them for seven years.
10:26:22 That is typically the replacement schedule.
10:26:25 What happens is, when you lease the first two years,

10:26:31 in the third and fourth year you actually see the cost
10:26:33 of equipment to fix it and maintain its schedule and
10:26:36 replacement and components that break and what have
10:26:38 you.
10:26:39 That tends to go up and it goes up dramatically.
10:26:43 With the lease, typically, the vendors who are leasing
10:26:45 them to you can recover 60% of the costs of that
10:26:49 vehicle.
10:26:49 And there are some potential savings.
10:26:51 So we are exploring that for long-term effects.
10:26:55 We are doing that now with our commercial services.
10:26:59 >> Do they have warranties on them for the length of
10:27:02 the agreement of?
10:27:02 >>> Yes, there are selected warranties with newer
10:27:05 equipment.
10:27:06 Not all of the equipment that you see here was new.
10:27:09 Some of it was based upon what was available.
10:27:14 So quite naturally, for RDK they were all new pieces
10:27:20 equipment.
10:27:21 From container systems incorporated we did have a few
10:27:24 older trucks that we had to use.
10:27:25 But it was what we had to do to get the job done.

10:27:28 >>MARY ALVAREZ: And what about the maintenance on
10:27:31 these pieces of equipment?
10:27:32 Do we do the maintenance themselves? Would it break
10:27:36 the warranty if we did the maintenance on them?
10:27:39 >>> No, we actually do provide for the maintenance on
10:27:41 them, and where they are warranteed because we have
10:27:45 certificated mechanics, within public works, they are
10:27:48 able to get reimbursement where it's warranted.
10:27:51 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Thank you, Mr. McCary, Mr.
10:27:57 Spearman for coming over so quickly.
10:27:59 David and I were talking about this yesterday for
10:28:01 about a half hour because I am never really
10:28:03 comfortable with a long-term lease, I think in a city
10:28:07 like ours we should purchase as opposed to lease,
10:28:10 especially on these big ticket items.
10:28:17 This ticket item relates to the emergency situation
10:28:19 that we found ourselves in last year and that we are
10:28:22 continuing through for the next six or nine months.
10:28:25 So I'm comfortable with it.
10:28:27 I think we need to have some real serious discussions
10:28:31 about where we go from here.
10:28:32 And I know you are working on it on a staff level,

10:28:35 that maybe council needs to be briefed maybe in the
10:28:40 next month or two in terms of that RFP that you were
10:28:42 talking about.
10:28:44 >>> That would be great.
10:28:44 And keep in mind this particular agreement is a month
10:28:46 to month agreement.
10:28:48 So we saw that prior to the new budget year, in some
10:28:52 fashion, it works out.
10:29:00 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I'll move items --
10:29:02 >>ROSE FERLITA: Wait a minute.
10:29:03 I think you talked about synergy created, ands under
10:29:07 your watch it's synergy created and synergy continued.
10:29:11 I'm supportive of how you bring our department in.
10:29:14 That's a given.
10:29:15 My problem here is about the process and the procedure
10:29:18 of this.
10:29:20 This conversation was held on September 12th of
10:29:23 last year, approximately nine months ago.
10:29:25 And I don't remember, obviously, quote for quote what
10:29:29 each council member had and how they weighed in on
10:29:33 this but we had a concern at that time about a company
10:29:36 coming in and doing this.

10:29:37 And I think your comment and your information to us
10:29:40 was the fact that for the same services and same level
10:29:43 of service they are going to charge us a ton more.
10:29:45 Well, these not smart business.
10:29:47 And I agree with you.
10:29:47 I think we obviously all agreed with you.
10:29:49 But my concern is this, that we are now under a
10:29:52 consent agenda, asked to ratify and confirm placement
10:29:56 of these purchase orders, when we had this situation
10:29:59 in September.
10:30:01 Just for future reference.
10:30:02 I understand the reasoning.
10:30:04 But I think it would have been better to show some
10:30:06 sort of chart about how much he would saved and why we
10:30:09 leased this.
10:30:09 And in addition to that, the fact that we should have
10:30:12 had this conversation somewhere between November of
10:30:15 '05 and now.
10:30:17 Why the gap?
10:30:18 I'm concerned about that.
10:30:20 >>> That's a very good question.
10:30:21 What has happened with the gap was keep in mind that

10:30:23 when we first had the northwestern City Center, they
10:30:27 both had sunset dates that were very different.
10:30:30 One was September 1st.
10:30:32 One was also January 1st.
10:30:34 So what we did was, in putting it back out for bid, a
10:30:38 lot of the bids that had to be reflected upon and
10:30:42 evaluated were done during the month of January.
10:30:45 We had to do some confirmations in February.
10:30:48 That's why you may actually see where we kept memos
10:30:52 coming to you periodically through this process just
10:30:55 to let you know where we were.
10:30:57 And the very last time that centered around the
10:31:03 differences, that no matter what happened at this
10:31:06 point in time their costs never reduced.
10:31:08 That's why we knew that it wasn't a good business
10:31:13 decision for the City of Tampa solid waste department
10:31:15 to pick it up.
10:31:19 >>ROSE FERLITA: On your part.
10:31:21 >>> That is why the lapse in time.
10:31:23 We could not have made that decision in September
10:31:25 because we were still looking to see what contractor
10:31:28 was out there that could provide the level of service

10:31:30 at a reasonable price.
10:31:32 And when we went back out the second time and you
10:31:34 still had at least three companies that had submitted
10:31:37 their costs, and then again the costs were still high,
10:31:43 again the bids that we received at that particular
10:31:46 time for the particular agreement wasn't anywhere less
10:31:51 than $4 million and we are able to do it for 3
10:31:53 million.
10:31:54 >>ROSE FERLITA: Again I certainly not only understand
10:31:56 the explanation, I support it because you did save the
10:31:58 taxpayers lots of dollars.
10:32:00 But I think somewhere between September 12th and
10:32:03 now, we could have made crunched that time so it came
10:32:06 back to council to ask us to confirm this placement of
10:32:08 POs a little bit earlier.
10:32:10 That was my concern when I saw it.
10:32:11 I looked at the backup information and it was
10:32:14 September 12th and I was concerned about that gap.
10:32:16 Thank you, David, for your explanation.
10:32:18 I appreciate it.
10:32:20 >>> You're welcome.
10:32:20 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Move 15 and 16.

10:32:26 >> Second.
10:32:26 (Motion Carried).
10:32:27 >>GWEN MILLER: Finance Committee, Kevin White.
10:32:29 >>KEVIN WHITE: I'd like to move 17 through 23.
10:32:41 (Motion carried).
10:32:45 >>SHAWN HARRISON: I move 24 through 30 --
10:32:51 >>ROSE FERLITA: Madam Chairman.
10:33:01 He's doing this as transportation -- I thought he was
10:33:04 doing this as transportation committee: All in favor?
10:33:07 (Motion Carried).
10:33:08 >>SHAWN HARRISON: I have a question.
10:33:12 Roy, can you come up on 31?
10:33:19 >>ROY LAMOTTE: Yes.
10:33:24 >>SHAWN HARRISON: As you are coming up the backup
10:33:26 information in our agenda doesn't show what the
10:33:28 current fees are.
10:33:29 It just says what the proposal is.
10:33:32 And I just would like to know, are any of these items
10:33:37 that we are voting on going to represent increases?
10:33:45 >>ROY LAMOTTE: I believe all of them will reflect
10:33:47 increases from what they were previously assessed at.
10:33:50 Now, if you do not have a copy of those I feel remiss

10:33:53 that you don't have them and I apologize for that.
10:33:56 >>> If that's the case I would like to continue this
10:33:58 for one week whale we get the backup information.
10:34:00 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Second.
10:34:01 >>GWEN MILLER: Question on the motion, Ms. Ferlita?
10:34:04 >>ROSE FERLITA: Just a comment on the motion.
10:34:06 Something that we pulled than the mayor's discussion
10:34:08 about raise out of consent agenda, I think this is the
10:34:12 wrong place, not particularly you, Mr. LaMotte, again
10:34:15 process.
10:34:15 This is the wrong place for something like this.
10:34:17 Some of us are not even the chair or vice chair of
10:34:20 transportation maybe don't have the backup on their
10:34:22 committee.
10:34:22 And this represents increase to the City of Tampa
10:34:25 constituents.
10:34:25 I think squeezing it through under consent agenda is
10:34:28 really not the right place.
10:34:30 And just for future reference, Mr. Shelby, if you have
10:34:34 any opportunities and interaction with the
10:34:36 administration I think that should be something give a
10:34:40 solid background, look at the before and after fees,

10:34:43 et cetera.
10:34:44 I'm happy that Mr. Harrison continued it because I
10:34:47 wouldn't have been supportive.
10:34:49 >>STEVE DAIGNAULT: I just want to make sure that we
10:34:51 understand, this is not necessarily for constituents,
10:34:56 this is primarily for those folks who deal in the
10:34:59 right-of-way, which are utility companies.
10:35:02 The total amount of revenue from this source of money
10:35:04 is around $32,000 a year.
10:35:08 The request was to bring our fees, which haven't been
10:35:11 changed since the '80s, up to the same level as the
10:35:15 county.
10:35:15 Now, I do agree that council should have had the
10:35:18 existing -- to look at the existing and future.
10:35:22 We'll also provide you with what the county numbers
10:35:24 are so you can see what the comparisons are.
10:35:28 Again, this is not a constituent-based fee.
10:35:31 This is primarily utilities and developers who are
10:35:34 working in the right-of-way.
10:35:35 >>ROSE FERLITA: And I understand that, Mr. Daignault.
10:35:37 I appreciate that explanation.
10:35:38 But nonetheless whether it's for utility company or an

10:35:40 individual resident, still nonetheless it represents
10:35:43 an increase in fees and we need to look at that
10:35:46 straight on before we say "yes" or "no" and this is
10:35:48 not the appropriate venue for it.
10:35:50 >>GWEN MILLER: Mrs. Saul-Sena.
10:35:51 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: What I was going to suggest is that
10:35:54 we have the comparison.
10:35:55 But if you were just going by the wording in our
10:35:57 agenda, it not clear hop these are directed toward.
10:36:02 And it's always useful to us to not only see what it
10:36:05 was, what it's being proposed as an increase, but also
10:36:07 a comparison to a neighborhood government, a
10:36:10 comparison to the county would be very helpful.
10:36:15 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: In defense of the department and
10:36:17 the clerk's office, the backup file included a list
10:36:22 before and after.
10:36:24 And specifically, I called Mr. LaMotte on this
10:36:29 yesterday and said I wouldn't support one of them
10:36:31 which was an increase in fee for outdoor seating at
10:36:37 restaurants, which is one of the items.
10:36:40 Because that is in the right-of-way, and they want to
10:36:42 increase the permit fee from like $50 to something

10:36:46 else.
10:36:46 And I said, women, as a policy matter we trade to
10:36:49 encourage cafe dining so I think that's one exception
10:36:53 that we mate want to make. Anyway, a week is a good
10:36:57 time for to us all take a look at that list and there
10:36:59 might be others to consider as well.
10:37:01 On the whole I agree with you, Steve, that these items
10:37:04 really do portend mostly to folks who put the cones
10:37:07 out in the street and have to do construction work and
10:37:10 that sort of thing.
10:37:11 And it's not a day-to-day constituent.
10:37:14 >>ROSE FERLITA: We need to know what we are voting on.
10:37:16 But the chairman of that committee couldn't provide us
10:37:20 with comparisons because I don't think that Mr.
10:37:21 Harrison had them.
10:37:22 And whether it's this or it's that, we still have to
10:37:27 take up a position.
10:37:29 And I want to see what I'm taking a position on.
10:37:31 That's all.
10:37:32 I think we should learn from that.
10:37:34 >>GWEN MILLER: We have a motion and second to continue
10:37:36 item 31 for one week.

10:37:38 All in favor of the motion say Aye.
10:37:39 Opposed, Nay.
10:37:40 (Motion carried)
10:37:46 Mr. Harrison, new business.
10:37:47 >>SHAWN HARRISON: Move items of new business 32
10:37:50 through 41.
10:37:52 >> Second.
10:37:56 >>KEVIN WHITE: I was wondering what the note was from
10:37:58 the clerk, items 35 through 40 says adding six
10:38:01 additional public hearings.
10:38:02 >>GWEN MILLER: On budget night.
10:38:04 THE CLERK: You currently have a budget public hearing
10:38:07 scheduled for 5:01 that night.
10:38:10 Also a four continued land rezonings and one closure.
10:38:16 This is adding six additional zoning petitions for
10:38:18 that night.
10:38:19 And I believe there's two more coming in for next week
10:38:22 for September 14th, also.
10:38:25 >>GWEN MILLER: Cathy Coyle, can you explain that?
10:38:29 >> yes.
10:38:30 As explained in the past, council obviously makes the
10:38:32 motions for hearings.

10:38:35 We keep the schedule in our office.
10:38:37 We have a hearing logbook that we log in ten new cases
10:38:41 and three continued for each meeting.
10:38:43 All the way out through the end of time.
10:38:45 Because we make our calendars for council's calendar
10:38:48 for three or are four years in advance.
10:38:51 The people petition the office, and allow attentive
10:38:55 hearing date because the process does take
10:38:57 approximately four months to get through, even just to
10:38:59 get before council by the time they apply.
10:39:02 Right now we are taking petitions for November
10:39:04 30th.
10:39:05 That hearing date.
10:39:06 We are backlogged.
10:39:08 I did send an e-mail to the administration to discuss
10:39:12 this issue because the clerk's office had contacted me
10:39:15 to discuss this in the agenda review committee with
10:39:20 the chair that you didn't necessarily want anything
10:39:22 additional scheduled for the nights with the budget.
10:39:25 However, we had those items slated.
10:39:28 And as I said, we have those 13 cases slighted all the
10:39:31 way through November 30th.

10:39:33 If you charges not to schedule these for September
10:39:36 14th, what it does, it creates a ripple effect.
10:39:39 We have cases all the way through November 30th
10:39:41 right now logged in our office.
10:39:44 If you don't actually schedule these for September,
10:39:46 because these are part of the ten now and three
10:39:49 continued cases that were allotted, it pushes us out
10:39:52 to the end of the first meeting in January.
10:39:54 So we would be booking people for the end of January.
10:39:58 As of today if you didn't make the motion.
10:39:59 It's completely council's right to do whatever they
10:40:03 want.
10:40:04 It is by motion.
10:40:05 We suggest in land development that you stick to the
10:40:07 ten now and three continued.
10:40:09 I had the discussion with Jim Stefan early on when you
10:40:11 were going to scowl the budget.
10:40:13 And that's when you talked about him scheduling the
10:40:16 budget at 5:01 which I believe it was done at 5:01 to
10:40:19 give him more time to get through budget so we could
10:40:22 start reasonably on time around 6:00, 6:30 and get
10:40:25 through the cases.

10:40:26 That's our request.
10:40:28 >>KEVIN WHITE: So Ms. Coyle, how many hearings are we
10:40:31 talking about total that night, other than the budget?
10:40:35 >>CATHERINE COYLE: You would wind up with your ten new
10:40:37 and throw continued as usual.
10:40:39 >>KEVIN WHITE: If he would adopted this as is with the
10:40:42 additional six, and the DRI, continued one closure, we
10:40:50 are looking at.
10:40:51 >>CATHERINE COYLE: There are currently on the docket
10:40:54 for September 14 --
10:40:57 >>KEVIN WHITE: Eleven?
10:40:58 >>> And three hearings that have fallen off for
10:41:00 September 28th, we are leaving those spaces open
10:41:02 because we understand that's another budget hearing as
10:41:04 well.
10:41:05 So right now there's only seven hearings that are in
10:41:08 the log at this point.
10:41:11 >> But you're asking us to add another six?
10:41:14 >>> In a, that's part of those numbers we are telling
10:41:16 you.
10:41:16 We don't distinguish between the two because when
10:41:18 logged them initially.

10:41:19 We have ten slots.
10:41:20 We give out those ten slots slated for that date.
10:41:23 They come through the process after the DRC when it
10:41:26 gets scheduled.
10:41:27 >> So we are looking at the budget process at 5:01.
10:41:31 >>> Correct.
10:41:31 >> And seven hearings is what you are saying?
10:41:36 >>THE CLERK: The DRI and the closure.
10:41:42 >>KEVIN WHITE: Plus the DRI and the closure.
10:41:47 >>> I believe they are related to the zoning case
10:41:49 which often you don't have a zoning on the DRI.
10:41:52 We just open them together, historically, anyway.
10:41:59 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Although I think it will be an
10:42:02 excruciatingly long evening I think we should bite the
10:42:05 bullet, also understanding that our experience is
10:42:06 usually about 20% of the rezoning requests fall off
10:42:10 because of various reasons.
10:42:15 >>MARY ALVAREZ: I just wanted to know, Ms. Lamboy,
10:42:22 number 36 looks like it's pretty lengthy with all of
10:42:24 the rezoning of the properties.
10:42:32 How long do you think that is going to take?
10:42:36 >> I can't say.

10:42:37 >> Is it a couple of hours?
10:42:40 >> It's the gray bar property in West Tampa, one of
10:42:42 the larger properties.
10:42:44 >> Are we taking them piece by piece by piece?
10:42:48 >>> Oh, no, it's all one petition.
10:42:49 You will see the site plan for the one petition.
10:42:51 It's all under one ordinance.
10:42:57 >>MARY ALVAREZ: The same way with number 35?
10:42:59 That's going to be one total?
10:43:02 >>> We list each address as part of the petition but
10:43:04 because it only has the one number it is just one
10:43:06 petition.
10:43:07 You will consider it all at the same time.
10:43:08 >> We have a motion and second.
10:43:11 (Motion carried).
10:43:14 Motion carried.
10:43:16 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I just wanted to apologize to Mr.
10:43:19 Harrison.
10:43:20 But it was pointed out to me -- Mr. Harrison?
10:43:24 I apologize.
10:43:25 You don't want to leave.
10:43:26 Back on that issue about the fee increases, we took

10:43:30 another look at the list, and they provided a list.
10:43:32 But it didn't provide a comparison of old versus new,
10:43:35 so I apologize.
10:43:37 >>ROSE FERLITA: John, I'm glad you brought it up
10:43:40 because I don't want to think that Mr. Harrison and I
10:43:43 were doing less homework than you.
10:43:45 Thank you for correcting the record.
10:43:47 >>GWEN MILLER: Now we go into public hearings for
10:43:49 second reading.
10:43:50 Anyone in the public that wants to speak on item 42
10:43:53 through 54, would you please stand and raise your
10:43:56 right hand?
10:43:57 >>THE CLERK: Do you solemnly swear or affirm to tell
10:44:04 the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth?
10:44:07 Thank you.
10:44:09 >>KEVIN WHITE: Move to open 42 through 54.
10:44:12 >> Second.
10:44:19 (Motion carried).
10:44:31 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Ms. Cole is not here and would be
10:44:34 very upset if I didn't say the following things.
10:44:36 [ Laughter ]
10:44:41 I ask that all written communications relative to

10:44:45 today's hearings which have been available for public
10:44:46 inspection in City Council's office be received and
10:44:49 filed into the record at this time.
10:44:55 >> So moved.
10:44:55 >> Second.
10:44:56 (Motion carried)
10:45:00 If any members of council have any verbal
10:45:02 communication was any petitioner, his or her
10:45:04 representative or any member of the public in
10:45:06 connection with any of today's hearings, please
10:45:08 disclose the person or persons, group or entity with
10:45:11 whom the verbal communication occurred and the
10:45:12 substance of that verbal communication.
10:45:14 And finally, ladies and gentlemen, if you will be
10:45:16 testifying on any hearing this morning, please, when
10:45:18 you state your name, reaffirm for the record that you
10:45:20 have been sworn in.
10:45:21 I put a little sign there to remind you.
10:45:23 Thank you.
10:45:25 >>GWEN MILLER: Is there anyone in the public that
10:45:26 would like to speak on item 42?
10:45:28 >>MARY ALVAREZ: Move to close.

10:45:29 >> Second.
10:45:29 (Motion carried).
10:45:30 >>KEVIN WHITE: Move to adopt the following ordinance
10:45:35 on second reading an ordinance amending ordinance
10:45:39 2006-73 passed and ordained by the City Council of the
10:45:41 City of Tampa on March 23rd, 2006 pertaining to a
10:45:44 third amendment to a development order pursuant to
10:45:47 chapter 380, Florida statutes, for the university
10:45:50 center research and development park DRI number 161 by
10:45:53 correcting a scrivener's error, providing an effective
10:45:55 date.
10:45:57 >>GWEN MILLER: We have a motion and second. Voice
10:45:59 roll call.
10:46:05 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried with Harrison being
10:46:07 absent.
10:46:08 >>GWEN MILLER: Is there anyone in the public that
10:46:10 wants to speak on item 43?
10:46:12 >> Move to close.
10:46:13 >> Second.
10:46:13 (Motion carried).
10:46:16 >>KEVIN WHITE: Move to adopt the following ordinance
10:46:18 upon second reading, move an ordinance repealing and

10:46:21 reenacting Tampa code section 14-5 relating to the
10:46:24 assessment of mandatory court coss a provided in
10:46:28 Florida statute section 938.15 and certain companion
10:46:34 statutes, to assess and authorize the clerk of the
10:46:38 13th judicial circuit to collect and remit to the
10:46:41 city, said mandatory costs, providing an effective
10:46:44 date.
10:46:44 >>GWEN MILLER: I have a motion and second.
10:46:46 Voice roll call.
10:46:55 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried with Harrison being
10:46:57 absent.
10:46:57 >>GWEN MILLER: Is this anyone in the public that wants
10:46:59 to speak on item 44?
10:47:01 >> Move to close.
10:47:02 >> Second.
10:47:02 (Motion carried).
10:47:03 >>ROSE FERLITA: Move to adopt the following ordinance
10:47:06 upon second reading, an ordinance approving an
10:47:08 historic preservation property tax exemption
10:47:10 application relative to the restoration, renovation,
10:47:13 or rehabilitation of certain property owned by Tommy
10:47:16 bore LLC located at 1712 and 1712 and a half east

10:47:22 4th Avenue Tampa, Florida in the Ybor City
10:47:24 historic districts based upon certain findings
10:47:26 providing for notice to the property appraiser for
10:47:29 Hillsborough County providing for severability,
10:47:30 providing for repeal of all ordinances in conflict,
10:47:32 providing an effective date.
10:47:33 >>GWEN MILLER: I have a motion and second.
10:47:34 Voice roll call.
10:47:37 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried within Harrison being
10:47:43 absent.
10:47:43 >>GWEN MILLER: Is there anyone in the public that
10:47:45 wants ton speak on item 45?
10:47:47 >> Move to close.
10:47:48 >> Second.
10:47:48 (Motion carried).
10:47:49 >>ROSE FERLITA: Move the following ordinance upon
10:47:53 second reading, an ordinance approving an historic
10:47:56 preservation property tax exemption application
10:47:58 relative to the restoration, renovation or
10:48:01 rehabilitation of certain property owned by Timothy
10:48:02 Wiegner, located at 1901 west Jetton Avenue Tampa,
10:48:08 Florida in the Hyde Park historic district based upon

10:48:11 certain findings, providing for notice to the property
10:48:14 appraiser of Hillsborough County, providing for
10:48:16 severability, providing for repeal of all ordinances
10:48:18 in conflict, providing an effective date.
10:48:19 >>GWEN MILLER: I have a motion and second.
10:48:22 Voice roll call.
10:48:22 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried with Harrison being
10:48:27 absent.
10:48:27 >>GWEN MILLER: Is there anyone in the public that
10:48:29 wants to speak on item 46?
10:48:31 >> Move to close.
10:48:32 >> Second.
10:48:32 (Motion carried).
10:48:34 >>MARY ALVAREZ: I move to adopt the following
10:48:38 ordinance upon second reading, an ordinance approving
10:48:40 a special use permit S-2 approving an off-street
10:48:44 commercial parking in a CI, CG, and RM-24 zoning
10:48:49 district in the general vicinity of 1000 West Kennedy
10:48:52 Boulevard and 103 south Edison Avenue, in the city of
10:48:56 Tampa, Florida, as more particularly described in
10:48:59 section 1 hereof, providing an effective date.
10:49:01 >> I have a motion and second.

10:49:02 Voice roll call.
10:49:03 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried unanimously.
10:49:11 >>GWEN MILLER: Is there anyone in the public that
10:49:13 wants to speak on item 47?
10:49:15 >> Move to close.
10:49:16 >> Second.
10:49:16 (Motion carried).
10:49:17 >>MARY ALVAREZ: I move to adopt the following
10:49:22 ordinance upon second reading.
10:49:25 An ordinance making lawful the conditional sale of
10:49:29 beverages containing alcohol of more than 1% by weight
10:49:32 and not more than 14% by weight and wines regardless
10:49:35 of alcoholic content beer and wine 2(APS) in sealed
10:49:38 containers for consumption off premises only at or
10:49:41 from that certain lot, plot or tract of land located
10:49:43 at 220 east Madison street, Tampa, Florida, as more
10:49:47 particularly described in section 2 hereof, wavering
10:49:49 certain restrictions as to distance based upon certain
10:49:52 findings, providing for repeal of all ordinances in
10:49:54 conflict, providing an effective date.
10:49:55 >> Second.
10:49:58 >>GWEN MILLER: I have a motion and second.

10:50:01 Voice roll call.
10:50:05 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried with Dingfelder voting no.
10:50:14 79 is there anyone in the public that wants top speak
10:50:16 on item 48?
10:50:17 >> Move to close.
10:50:18 >> Second.
10:50:21 (Motion carried).
10:50:23 >>SHAWN HARRISON: Move to adopt the following
10:50:25 ordinance upon second reading.
10:50:28 An ordinance rezoning property in the general vicinity
10:50:30 of 3208 and 3213 north 29th street in the city of
10:50:35 Tampa, Florida and more particularly described in
10:50:36 section 1 from zoning district classifications RM-16
10:50:39 residential multifamily to PD, planned development,
10:50:42 take-out restaurant and parking lot, providing an
10:50:44 effective date.
10:50:44 >>GWEN MILLER: I have a motion and second.
10:50:47 Voice roll call.
10:50:48 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried unanimously.
10:51:03 >>GWEN MILLER: Is there anyone in the public that
10:51:05 wants to speak on item 49?
10:51:09 >> I have a conflict with property in the area.

10:51:14 >>MARY ALVAREZ: So moved.
10:51:22 >> Second.
10:51:22 (Motion carried).
10:51:22 >>SHAWN HARRISON: Move to adopt the following
10:51:25 ordinance upon second reading, an ordinance rezoning
10:51:27 property in the general vicinity of 2216 south Exmoor
10:51:31 street in the city of Tampa, Florida and more
10:51:33 particularly described in section 1 from zoning
10:51:35 district classifications RS-100 residential single
10:51:38 family to PD planned development, single-family
10:51:40 detached, providing an effective date.
10:51:41 >>GWEN MILLER: I have a motion and second.
10:51:44 Voice roll call.
10:51:46 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I am going to say yes.
10:51:47 And I also wanted to thank the petitioner for having
10:51:51 the diligence to work hard on this and to come up with
10:51:54 a solution that's going to work for everybody.
10:51:56 Thanks.
10:51:56 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried with Saul-Sena abstaining.
10:52:08 >>GWEN MILLER: Is there anyone in the public that
10:52:10 wants to speak on item 50?
10:52:13 >> Move to close.

10:52:15 >> Second.
10:52:15 (Motion carried).
10:52:16 >> I would like to move the following ordinance upon
10:52:18 second reading, an ordinance rezoning property in the
10:52:21 general vicinity of 5019 west 29th street in the
10:52:25 city of Tampa, Florida and more particularly described
10:52:26 in section 1 African-American zoning district
10:52:28 classifications IG industrial general to RS-50
10:52:31 residential single-family, providing an effective
10:52:33 date.
10:52:33 >> I have a motion and second.
10:52:35 Voice roll call.ding
10:52:38 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried unanimously.
10:52:43 >>GWEN MILLER: Is there anyone in the public that
10:52:45 wants to speak on item 51?
10:52:47 >> Move to close.
10:52:48 >> Second.
10:52:48 (Motion carried).
10:52:49 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I would like to move the following
10:52:53 ordinance upon second reading, an ordinance rezoning
10:52:55 property in the general vicinity of 4221, 4225, and
10:52:59 4227 north Habana Avenue, in the city of Tampa,

10:53:03 Florida and more particularly described in section 1
10:53:05 from zoning district classifications RS-50 residential
10:53:08 single-family to RO-1 residential office, professional
10:53:11 medical office, providing an effective date.
10:53:13 >> I have a motion and second.
10:53:15 Voice roll call.
10:53:21 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried with Alvarez voting no.
10:53:27 >>GWEN MILLER: Is there anyone in the public that
10:53:29 wants ton speak on item 52?
10:53:31 >> move to close.
10:53:32 >> Second.
10:53:32 (Motion carried).
10:53:33 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I'll move to adopt the following
10:53:38 ordinance upon second reading, an ordinance rezoning
10:53:40 property in the general vicinity of 3822 East 7th
10:53:42 Avenue in the city of Tampa, Florida more particularly
10:53:45 described in section 1 from zoning classifications IG
10:53:50 industrial general to CI commercial intense intensive
10:53:53 providing an effective date.
10:53:54 >>GWEN MILLER: Voice roll call.
10:53:59 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried unanimously.
10:54:02 >>GWEN MILLER: Is there anyone in the public that

10:54:04 wants to speak on item 53?
10:54:08 >>MARY ALVAREZ: Oops.
10:54:10 >>> I have a very unique request.
10:54:12 And then I ask council to deny this.
10:54:15 [ Laughter ]
10:54:21 >>MARY ALVAREZ: Are you making that motion?
10:54:23 >>> When I was in front of you, I believe, a week ago
10:54:26 I said somebody came forward, a condo deal.
10:54:29 A deal has been -- a meeting of the minds has been
10:54:32 made.
10:54:33 And I met with the perspective new developer
10:54:36 yesterday.
10:54:37 And this is the direction that we are going to have
10:54:40 for you to deny us.
10:54:42 The reason I'm looking and discussing it with Ms.
10:54:45 Vizzi as well as the city attorney's office as well as
10:54:47 zoning on the denial versus the withdrawal is the
10:54:52 perspective developer might want to make some small
10:54:55 tweaks to the site plan that hopefully will be under
10:54:57 the substantial deviation, but could potentially
10:55:01 arrive through that and if so they don't want to be on
10:55:03 the sidelines for a year.

10:55:04 They would like to be able to -- come back as a
10:55:07 result.
10:55:07 Marty, please help me out with my language.
10:55:10 But I believe if you would deny me on the basis that
10:55:12 you deem the hotel condominium to be more appropriate
10:55:15 than the straight condominium, then that would allow
10:55:17 for us to come back and make some small tweaks under
10:55:20 the hotel-condominium scenario.
10:55:23 >>MARTIN SHELBY: The basis would be that Mr. Gardner
10:55:28 and his client are asking council for the opportunity
10:55:31 to redevelop under the previously --
10:55:36 >> Last August.
10:55:36 >>> That would be the basis to allow him to do so.
10:55:39 >>GWEN MILLER: Ms. Vizzi, you want to respond to that?
10:55:45 >> JOHN DINGFELDER: Mr. Gardner, it will affect your
10:55:48 batting average.
10:55:48 >>MARGARET VIZZI: 213 South Sherill.
10:55:54 I have been sworn.
10:55:55 This is the first.
10:55:56 I'm happy to know that there will be increased traffic
10:56:05 through the neighborhood by the condominium, not that
10:56:07 a hotel, as I always said, that area needs a hotel,

10:56:10 the people who use the hotels don't usually come into
10:56:13 neighborhoods.
10:56:15 My daughter did that in Phoenix recently and she had
10:56:23 she had to go she said six mails to get out of the
10:56:26 subdivision unless she turned around, because they had
10:56:28 closed it off because of the impact from other areas
10:56:32 into it.
10:56:33 So, but, anyway, another issue has come up, as this
10:56:38 was being reviewed and going back to the original
10:56:40 plan.
10:56:42 But when council did make that motion, at second
10:56:45 public hearing to put on the site plan that that
10:56:49 $25,000 would be used in Beach Park -- and I know you
10:56:52 know the issue, you've heard it -- that Truett found
10:56:58 out when reviewing it that it was never officially
10:57:01 done.
10:57:02 So I would like -- I don't know if it has to be done
10:57:04 during this hearing, or you have to take it up after
10:57:08 you close this hearing, but that is the -- they be
10:57:15 told, whatever words you want to use, that that be put
10:57:18 onto that original plan, as was approved by council at
10:57:22 second hearing, and reviewed by Mr. Gardner.

10:57:27 It most definitely occurred but was never done.
10:57:32 >>KEVIN WHITE: Ms. Vizzi, I don't know, and I see Mr.
10:57:36 Gardner talking to someone else here.
10:57:37 I believe one of the things that Mr. Gardner said,
10:57:41 that there's another develop theory came in to do this
10:57:43 now.
10:57:43 So that particular developer might not be willing to
10:57:47 do that.
10:57:50 >>> But he's gone back to the original zoning that was
10:57:53 approved in August.
10:57:58 >>> If I can clarify since we are going back to the
10:58:00 August rezoning, Ms. Vizzi and I had this discussion.
10:58:02 I went back and looked at those, the site plan, as
10:58:06 well as the transcript.
10:58:07 It actually came up on the second reading.
10:58:10 Ms. Vizzi asked if that money could be earmarked for
10:58:13 Beach Park.
10:58:15 You as a council asked me if that would be okay with
10:58:17 my client.
10:58:18 And after my review of the transcript I said that's
10:58:22 completely fine.
10:58:23 And that was how second reading passed.

10:58:25 The conflict is on the site plan that change never was
10:58:29 made.
10:58:29 It was left with the first reading, where $25,000
10:58:34 would be earmarked to be used in the general vicinity.
10:58:36 And I told Ms. Vizzi that I would be more than happy
10:58:39 to repeat again what I had agreed to at that second
10:58:43 reading, and so that's my purpose for speaking.
10:58:48 >>KEVIN WHITE: And that was fine, Mr. Gardner.
10:58:53 I was just trying to bring to the point you said there
10:58:56 would be a new developer.
10:58:57 I wanted to make sure that everyone was amenable to
10:58:59 everything that would be on the site plan without any
10:59:01 ambiguity at all.
10:59:03 >>> We'll live with the August site plan. The only
10:59:05 clarification was the one she had on that language.
10:59:08 >>KEVIN WHITE: Whether it goes to traffic mitigation
10:59:10 or whether it goes to their particular neighborhood.
10:59:13 >>> Correct.
10:59:14 >>MARGARET VIZZI: Not to us personally but to the city
10:59:18 for use to mitigate traffic to the condo that will be
10:59:21 built onto the neighborhood.
10:59:24 And that at second reading and approved by council.

10:59:34 And that's what this new developer would be working
10:59:37 under, is that original August.
10:59:43 >>GWEN MILLER: Ms. Kert.
10:59:44 >>REBECCA KERT: Legal department.
10:59:48 I would ask for an opportunity to review that issue,
10:59:51 and I know Ms. Cole was working very closely, and
10:59:55 there have been discussion busy that note but I am not
10:59:57 prepared to address it at this time and say whether or
10:59:58 not we can just add that note.
11:00:00 So I would like at least a week for Ms. Cole to be
11:00:03 bark and work with her to see about that issue.
11:00:07 >>GWEN MILLER: That would be fine.
11:00:09 Mr. Shelby.
11:00:09 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I just had a concern with really that
11:00:11 first PD site plan is not the subject of this hearing
11:00:15 today.
11:00:16 And it really is not relevant to council's decision to
11:00:21 affirm or deny.
11:00:22 And I guess that is a tangential issue that will have
11:00:25 to be dealt with outside the context of this hearing.
11:00:29 >>KEVIN WHITE: Move to deny then.
11:00:30 LEFT2: Second.

11:00:32 (Motion Carried).
11:00:37 >>> Truett Gardner: Thank you very much for denying
11:00:40 us.
11:00:41 [ Laughter ]
11:00:43 >> Did when vote?
11:00:44 >>GWEN MILLER: Yes, we did.
11:00:48 Subpoena this anyone in the public that wants to speak
11:00:49 on item 54?
11:00:51 >> Move to close.
11:00:52 >> Second.
11:00:56 >>GWEN MILLER: We opened it before.
11:01:07 Anyone to speak on item 54?
11:01:09 We need to close.
11:01:10 >> So moved.
11:01:11 >> Second.
11:01:11 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Move an ordinance upon second
11:01:14 reading, an ordinance of the city of Tampa, Florida
11:01:17 designating properties at 1915 west LaSalle street,
11:01:21 1917 west LaSalle street and 2502 north Howard Avenue,
11:01:25 Tampa, Florida to be known as the West Tampa multiple
11:01:28 properties group, providing for severability,
11:01:31 providing an effective date.

11:01:32 >>GWEN MILLER: We have a motion and second.
11:01:33 Voice roll call.
11:01:40 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried.
11:01:43 >>MARY ALVAREZ: I just want to make a comment on
11:01:47 number 54 that this was a voluntary designation for
11:01:50 the building.
11:01:55 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I didn't say this the other day,
11:01:57 Mrs. Alvarez.
11:01:57 But this is a fortunate situation where you have an
11:02:01 enlightened, progressive owner who is making -- I
11:02:06 think irregardless of the ownership, these buildings
11:02:09 are historic, and we wouldn't want to lose them.
11:02:12 I think that we need to look at carefully ownerships
11:02:16 come and go.
11:02:17 But if we were to lose these buildings, it would be a
11:02:21 loss for Tampa.
11:02:23 And the reason that it's a recognition of their value
11:02:35 to the community.
11:02:35 >>MARY ALVAREZ: Thank you for that comment, but I'm
11:02:39 still under the impression that voluntary designation
11:02:43 is the way to go.
11:02:44 That's why I am putting it on the record.

11:02:45 I recognize the importance of historic preservation.
11:02:48 Please do not forget that.
11:02:52 I am 100% for it.
11:02:54 It's just the way it's being handled.
11:02:55 >> Item 55 is a continued public hearing.
11:02:57 Staff.
11:03:05 >>DENNIS FERNANDEZ: Manager of historic preservation.
11:03:07 I have not been sworn in.
11:03:08 >>GWEN MILLER: Raise your right hand.
11:03:10 (Oath administered by Clerk).
11:03:17 >>> I'm here on item 55 which is the initiation of the
11:03:19 landmark designation, for the fort Homer Hesterly
11:03:25 armory.
11:03:26 I have a short PowerPoint presentation for you.
11:03:30 Once again, this is the fort Homer Hesterly armory,
11:03:36 522 north Howard Avenue.
11:03:37 There's orientation maps for you.
11:03:39 We are dealing with the portion of the facility which
11:03:43 occupies the southern portion of the parcel.
11:03:46 Ware not dealing with the northern portion that you
11:03:49 see above the white line.
11:03:51 That is because the Florida National Guard is planning

11:03:55 on occupying that portion of the facility into the
11:03:59 future.
11:04:00 One particular portion of the facility becomes vacated
11:04:03 by the Florida National Guard then we will do our
11:04:05 second phase of this designation which will
11:04:07 incorporate that portion into the designation. The
11:04:09 city of Sanborn map from 1931 to 1951.
11:04:15 You see a progression development on the site. The
11:04:18 site has a long history which actually predates that
11:04:21 of West Tampa.
11:04:26 It was a location of military housing since 1898 with
11:04:36 the Rough Riders.
11:04:37 From its military history and also social, cultural
11:04:42 and architectural history for the City of Tampa.
11:04:45 You see the Berger brothers photo.
11:04:50 This was taken during construction of the armory.
11:04:52 Colonel Homer Hesterly was industrial in constructing
11:04:58 the armory building.
11:05:00 Shortly after completion the property was renamed to
11:05:03 commemorate colonel Hesterly.
11:05:06 He was also industrial in armories throughout the
11:05:09 State of Florida and you can see that reflected in the

11:05:12 art decco architecture of this particular building.
11:05:17 This was started in 1938.
11:05:19 It's constructed of concrete blocks covered with
11:05:21 stucco and the art decco style.
11:05:23 The main is a fad faces north Howard to the east.
11:05:27 Also shown in this photograph is the north elevation.
11:05:31 Windows are the original steel casements.
11:05:35 There is an anterior photo, object on one of the
11:05:40 mezzanines where theovers clubs are located.
11:05:46 The property has been of importance to the area since
11:05:48 its inception.
11:05:49 It was originally known as Benjamin field, served as
11:05:54 the teddy Roosevelts Rough Riders as they departed to
11:05:59 fight in Cuba.
11:06:00 It also hosted president John F. Kennedy before his
11:06:03 death as well as Martin Luther King.
11:06:05 This famous photo of Elvis Presley was taken there in
11:06:08 1955.
11:06:09 They didn't mention Gordon Solely, but that's what I
11:06:15 remember.
11:06:17 The criteria for designation is its military history
11:06:21 under criteria A.

11:06:22 The product of the WPA, the Florida National Guard
11:06:26 armory provided operations and space in addition to
11:06:30 serving the community as a venue for sporting events,
11:06:33 social gatherings and speaking engagements.
11:06:36 Also, it's architecture under criterion C, the armory
11:06:40 is designed in the art decco style popular from the
11:06:44 1920s to the 40s.
11:06:45 The style was used for many National Guard armories
11:06:48 during the FDR administration.
11:06:50 The owner of this property is the Florida National
11:06:52 Guard.
11:06:53 They are supportive of the designation.
11:06:55 Currently, through their organization through the
11:07:00 secretary of standards rehabilitation, and they have a
11:07:02 great interest in ensuring that this property will
11:07:04 maintain its historic integrity through the future.
11:07:08 Thank you.
11:07:08 If you have any questions I would be happy to answer
11:07:10 those.
11:07:13 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Thank you.
11:07:14 There is an interesting article in the paper recently
11:07:16 that talked about the basket that used to be on top

11:07:18 that disappeared.
11:07:19 And it may be recognized that it is gone.
11:07:23 Do you know what happened to it?
11:07:25 >>> I'm aware of what happened to it.
11:07:27 The article gave more information than I had known in
11:07:32 the past but it would be interesting if someone has
11:07:34 it -- the article is in the paper, if they might
11:07:40 return it.
11:07:40 >>GWEN MILLER: Is there anyone in the audience that
11:07:44 wants to speak on item 55?
11:07:46 We have somebody.
11:07:47 >>> Good morning.
11:07:47 Spencer Cass.
11:07:49 I have been sworn.
11:07:51 As you are aware, the armory site is currently out for
11:07:54 RFP for redevelopment.
11:07:56 There's a couple things I must point out.
11:07:58 First of all, I know we have been talking a lot about
11:08:02 notice to City Council.
11:08:04 I want to point out that it's not a requirement that
11:08:07 notice signs be posted for this year in.
11:08:09 But I think notices should have been posted to the

11:08:12 neighborhood letting the neighborhood know.
11:08:14 I just happened to be readding the agenda and came
11:08:19 across this.
11:08:19 As you are aware, my company landmark realty has $116
11:08:24 million proposal for the site. That proposal does
11:08:27 include the removal of the armory building, and all of
11:08:30 the contaminants within the armory building.
11:08:32 As you may not be aware and has not been pointed out
11:08:35 everybody knows that that site is contaminated.
11:08:38 The degree of which the contamination is there is
11:08:42 currently unknown.
11:08:43 The city and the National Guard have not done ground
11:08:45 testing, have not done the water testing.
11:08:47 They already know there's asbestos on the site.
11:08:53 Fanned this were declared a historic site it would be
11:08:55 cost prohibitive to remove any of the contaminants on
11:09:01 the ground.
11:09:02 I think before considering this you do the appropriate
11:09:05 testing and see what degree of contamination there is
11:09:08 on the property.
11:09:08 In addition our proposal over $3.5 million in tax
11:09:12 revenue, that's enough revenue to cover Mr. Harrison's

11:09:15 proposal to reduce the taxes.
11:09:19 We would be giving up all that revenue.
11:09:22 >>ROSE FERLITA: Please excuse me, I have a question.
11:09:25 Mr. Shelby, I have a question to you, please.
11:09:27 We are talking about the designation in terms of
11:09:29 historic preservation.
11:09:30 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Yes.
11:09:32 >>ROSE FERLITA: Is it appropriate to be talking --
11:09:34 this is kind before the RFP as opposed to what we are
11:09:37 doing here and I am not sure where this conversation
11:09:39 is going is really the appropriate way to go.
11:09:46 I don't know what he is representing having financial
11:09:48 interest in this.
11:09:49 But all of a sudden it's becoming us listening to this
11:09:52 proposal for the RFP response.
11:09:55 I need a response from the legal department.
11:09:57 But, you know, and obviously I don't know if phase 1,
11:10:02 phase 2, whatever it is, it is in terms of
11:10:05 contamination.
11:10:05 But right now we are strictly speaking to the
11:10:08 designation of it.
11:10:09 And wondering if we are crossing conversations.

11:10:12 Just for clarification.
11:10:13 And if I am out of order, it not appropriate, then I
11:10:16 apologize to the speaker.
11:10:17 But I was uncomfortable continuing to listen to this
11:10:21 presentation.
11:10:22 >>MARTIN SHELBY: If Ms. Kert wishes to opine, I
11:10:25 believe the speaker's point is that if this proceeds,
11:10:29 he would be precluded from doing that which he
11:10:32 proposed for the site for the RFP.
11:10:35 So I believe it's relevance --
11:10:39 >>MARY ALVAREZ: He's opposing the designation.
11:10:47 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Yes, and giving you T grounds for the
11:10:51 opposition.
11:10:51 >>ROSE FERLITA: That's all I wanted to know.
11:10:53 I apologize, sir.
11:10:55 >>> Additionally one of the greatest historical events
11:10:58 on the site was teddy Roosevelt and his Rough Riders.
11:11:01 That building did not exist when teddy Roosevelt and
11:11:04 his Rough Riders were in fact at the site.
11:11:09 In addition, we have the central Espanol building up
11:11:14 the street, the city and state federal governments,
11:11:17 millions of dollars, we all know it's about to be

11:11:19 vacant. The work on that is not finished.
11:11:21 And the tax revenue on a one-acre parcel of property
11:11:24 in West Tampa is $250 a year.
11:11:31 Our proposal is $350,000 a year per acre.
11:11:34 I fail to see why this cannot be continued until a
11:11:37 later date when the city has entered into a
11:11:40 development agreement with whoever they choose,
11:11:45 whether it's us or somebody else.
11:11:47 For the record I am going to submit the summary report
11:11:50 for our projects, with potential economic benefits are
11:11:54 that you would be giving up should you go with this
11:11:56 historic designation for the property.
11:11:58 I submit that for the record.
11:12:15 >>> You know, what happens to the large scale
11:12:18 development, our proposal is over $7 million larger.
11:12:26 Our proposal provides for direct investment in West
11:12:28 Tampa businesses.
11:12:30 >> Ware not talking about your proposal at this time.
11:12:33 If you want to oppose the designation, that's where we
11:12:36 are at.
11:12:37 We are not listening to your proposal.
11:12:38nt to point out the
11:12:39 of designating this as a

11:12:41k building, what you are
11:12:42up by basically rendering
11:12:46posal unattainable.
11:12:48 >> If we were to allow to you do that we would have to
11:12:51 allow the other five proposals that are still on the
11:12:54 table.
11:12:54 So this is not the forum for that.
11:12:58 >>> Then I would at least ask that City Council Zurn
11:13:02 this for a period of a few months to give all
11:13:05 proposers to an opportunity to come and present their
11:13:07 proposals before City Council, if that's City
11:13:09 Council's position on it.
11:13:13 How we are going to give out -- there's also a
11:13:19 proposal by city staff if a property is designated
11:13:23 historic you can't build anything else on the site.
11:13:32 >> That information was not corrects.
11:13:39 That is misinformation.
11:13:40 And than does not preclude the new construction of the
11:13:43 site, the adjacent parcels, the improvement of this
11:13:46 particular property.
11:13:47 This property is significant for many reasons.
11:13:51 There is archaeological sites on the property, which
11:13:53 have been excavated through the Florida National

11:13:55 Guard, cultural resources division, and that basically
11:13:59 houses the importance of the structure as it relates
11:14:02 to teddy Roosevelt.
11:14:04 We are not dealing with that in this particular issue.
11:14:05 We are dealing with the art decco building that
11:14:08 occupies the property currently.
11:14:09 It is historic, and historically significant in its
11:14:12 own right.
11:14:13 The Florida National Guard, who is the owner of this
11:14:15 particular property, has been very specific in
11:14:18 retaining the property, subsequent ownership.
11:14:20 There is a committee obviously that will review the
11:14:23 proposals.
11:14:25 The gentleman's proposal was submitted in a timely
11:14:29 manner, would be considered within that deliberation.
11:14:32 However, one of the specifies advertise of the RFP was
11:14:36 that the armory building be maintained according to
11:14:38 the secretary of interior standards.
11:14:39 And I can tell you, from my perspective, demolition
11:14:42 doesn't fit into the secretary of interior standards.
11:14:45 Secondly, through the memorandum of understanding,
11:14:48 with the Florida National Guard, modifying the

11:14:53 designation to just include the portion of the
11:14:55 property that is being vacated in which the RFP has
11:14:59 been issued, the Florida National Guard has given its
11:15:04 support to the designation.
11:15:06 In the event that some unforeseen issue arises with
11:15:10 contamination. Project there is language within the
11:15:13 architectural review commissions ordinance that allows
11:15:16 for economic feasibility to lead to demolition, if
11:15:19 that is an issue.
11:15:21 That is something that's highly speculative and has
11:15:23 not been indicated to us through the Florida National
11:15:26 Guard to date.
11:15:27 >>GWEN MILLER: Thank you.
11:15:28 Mr. Harrison.
11:15:30 >>SHAWN HARRISON: Mr. Fernandez, that is my concern,
11:15:34 that we get into this RFP process, and we have had
11:15:39 several very exciting proposals that have come across
11:15:41 our desk.
11:15:45 So you're saying that everybody that's bidding on this
11:15:49 is in support of the historic designation in this
11:15:51 building?
11:15:54 >>JENNIFER HERNANDEZ: Everyone who filled out the RFP

11:15:57 recognize it is secretary of standards are going to
11:15:59 apply to any project that's accepted.
11:16:02 Also, we are going to have a contract of sale that
11:16:06 will specify the specifics of the property as it
11:16:10 relates to historic preservation.
11:16:13 And the proposer seeks not to pursue the project based
11:16:17 on that issue, then that's their decision.
11:16:21 However, it's the decision of the administration that
11:16:25 this is a very important structure, and should be
11:16:28 protected.
11:16:40 >>SHAWN HARRISON: What happens FHP there are
11:16:42 environmental issues like the speaker says, asbestos
11:16:44 or whatever is in that building.
11:16:46 What out or escape out would there be for the person,
11:16:49 the people that are proposing these new uses to come
11:16:58 back and say we need to undesignate or we need to take
11:17:01 whatever action we can to allow to us tear this
11:17:03 building down because there are safety concerns?
11:17:07 >>> They would file the normal demolition procedure
11:17:09 through the architectural review commission, which
11:17:13 does anticipate economic hardship, and that process
11:17:17 could be initiated through the architectural review

11:17:19 commission.
11:17:19 If the determination was not to demolish the
11:17:23 architectural, that could be appealed to City Council.
11:17:28 >>KEVIN WHITE: Mr. Fernandez, is there something in
11:17:33 place where -- or has the city gone or anyone done any
11:17:37 kind of environment to studies at all, period, on the
11:17:39 building itself?
11:17:42 >> I am aware of some level of environmental studies.
11:17:44 I'm not well enough educated in that to speak on it.
11:17:49 I believe somebody probably dealing with the armory
11:17:52 RFP might be more appropriate to address that.
11:17:58 >> That would be one of my concerns as one of the
11:18:00 bidders trying to submit a proposal, to take that into
11:18:03 consideration.
11:18:05 The central Espanol building, I remember some of the
11:18:10 internal issues that came up regarding payment back
11:18:16 then and very small environmental issue was the pigeon
11:18:21 abatement that went on in that building.
11:18:23 That was several hundred thousand dollars in itself.
11:18:26 We are not talking about asbestos.
11:18:27 Ware not talking about any type of harmful, harmful
11:18:32 environmental issues.

11:18:33 We were just talking about pigeon abatement.
11:18:35 That was several hundred thousand dollars.
11:18:38 And I think before I would, as a developer works want
11:18:42 to go forward -- there's no question in my mind that
11:18:44 the armory is a very historical building and needs to
11:18:48 stay.
11:18:48 But as a developer, if I am going in and trying to
11:18:51 come up with a plan or proposal for that area, not
11:18:55 even having a clue what type of cost factor, and to
11:19:03 win the proposal and go out to all of this arduous
11:19:07 process and then come back and find it's going to be a
11:19:09 $10 million environmental issue and then we are right
11:19:12 back to square one.
11:19:15 I just don't know how well that plays.
11:19:18 >>> Keep in mind also, with a building that's occupied
11:19:22 and functional, we are not dealing with something like
11:19:24 the Centro Espanol.
11:19:27 The Florida National Guard has been a very God steward
11:19:30 of this property and has addressed issues as they have
11:19:32 arisen.
11:19:33 I don't think we are going to have as extensive an
11:19:35 issue for perhaps a building that has not been

11:19:37 occupied for, you know, a great number of years.
11:19:43 >> But once you start getting into these old buildings
11:19:45 trying to pull permits and bring them up to current
11:19:47 code, then we come into a different issue as well.
11:19:54 >>> Perhaps.
11:19:54 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: If there is a process going on with
11:20:05 the various RFPs I think that process should
11:20:09 continue along unhindered.
11:20:12 If today's discussion was about a final designation
11:20:15 then I don't think I could support it for that reason.
11:20:17 But the good news is from what I can see, this is a
11:20:19 motion to initiate the process.
11:20:22 And as we know, initiating the process -- how long a
11:20:27 process?
11:20:28 >> It will be minimum 90 to 120 days.
11:20:32 >> So there's a lot of work to be done during that.
11:20:37 I have a feeling a lot of these other issues with the
11:20:39 various RFPs, then we can deal with it then, and
11:20:44 there's a reason we don't want to -- or we want to
11:20:47 modify this or don't want to dot, we can deal with it
11:20:49 at those public hearings.
11:20:50 >> You can also have individuals here to address some

11:20:53 of the concerns that Councilman White at that time.
11:20:58 >>> Sure.
11:20:58 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: At a preservation conference,
11:21:07 preservation is not for sissies.
11:21:09 That's because it's complicated.
11:21:11 But the rewards are greater because of the character.
11:21:14 I just got back from Charleston, South Carolina and
11:21:16 Savannah, Georgia.
11:21:17 And let me tell you, they have done a spectacular job.
11:21:21 We have done a great job here.
11:21:23 And new technologies have come up with ways of abating
11:21:27 for environmental concerns like asbestos.
11:21:29 There are new techniques of painting over so you just
11:21:32 seal it in.
11:21:32 There are many ways to address these concerns.
11:21:34 And I think at this point what's before us, which is
11:21:37 to initiate this investigation, is very appropriate.
11:21:40 And I say based on the sophistication of the proposals
11:21:44 that I have seen, we are doing something with the
11:21:46 armory, the people were involved, they are
11:22:02 knowledgeable.
11:22:03 I would like to make a motion.

11:22:04 >>CHAIRMAN: Wait a minute, wait a minute.
11:22:06 >>MOSES KNOTT, JR.: I reside at 2902 East Ellicott
11:22:11 street.
11:22:14 I have been sworn in.
11:22:15 You know, I hope to God, I never got into this thing
11:22:18 because put a backhoe in everything in this town and
11:22:26 flatten it.
11:22:27 But this one building -- and I hope you can save this
11:22:29 building.
11:22:31 You know, it what he said what used to go on in this
11:22:36 building.
11:22:37 But you all don't know half.
11:22:40 For me, I had some thrill moments in this building.
11:22:44 Way back in the 50s, I came into this town young,
11:22:48 young boy, '55, and this town -- black people wasn't
11:22:53 allowed to go every place.
11:22:56 So every Tuesday night, all the great wrestlers in
11:23:02 Florida came, the German people, from other countries
11:23:07 come in there.
11:23:09 >>MARY ALVAREZ: You were two years old at the time and
11:23:15 you remember.
11:23:17 >>> And then they have black concerts there, like

11:23:21 grace gospel singer Mahalia Jackson, and James Brown,
11:23:27 but I was there.
11:23:29 But they had the white people sit on the north side,
11:23:32 and the black people had to sit on this side.
11:23:36 But I would have been glad just to be there walk in
11:23:39 this building, and I would say, you know, you all done
11:23:43 tore down a lot of buildings in this town.
11:23:46 And I know -- West Tampa getting to be a big thing for
11:23:49 West Tampa if it can just stay there.
11:23:51 But I want to say, though, this is one building I wish
11:23:54 can stay there.
11:23:56 Because I had some great moments there.
11:23:57 Every Tuesday night, they were wrestle match and I
11:24:02 mean we had a great time in this building.
11:24:05 Thank you.
11:24:05 >>GWEN MILLER: Thank you.
11:24:06 Next.
11:24:06 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: How are you going to top that?
11:24:12 >>> I agree with him totally.
11:24:14 Elizabeth Johnson, 1819 Richardson place.
11:24:17 And I would just like to add that this is so important
11:24:21 for you all because we are talking about an RFP

11:24:24 process.
11:24:24 We have -- the last six months we are getting a
11:24:31 designation going, has been an albatross around the
11:24:34 city's neck.
11:24:35 And this is a chance for you all to provide a good
11:24:39 example.
11:24:40 Like you said, the National Guard has been -- like
11:24:44 Dennis said the National Guard has been a good
11:24:46 steward.
11:24:47 This is not a situation where the property has been
11:24:50 left to deteriorate.
11:24:52 The RFP process has gotten some exciting input, hold
11:24:58 the line, and say, well, part of that excitement is
11:25:00 preserving our history, and we are going to use this
11:25:03 as an example to show that 27-231, ordinances, really
11:25:09 are not as difficult as everybody perceived them to
11:25:12 be.
11:25:12 That is total perception.
11:25:13 When I hear things about, well, will there be an
11:25:17 escape for asbestos, or will the people be able to
11:25:20 come to the A.R.C. and argue these kind of hardships?
11:25:23 I have to say this with all great due respect.

11:25:28 But it makes me concerned how many times you all have
11:25:30 read 27-231.
11:25:33 I have to say I probably read it every single week.
11:25:37 And as far as showing the hardship criteria, my
11:25:41 husband and I were able to show the hardship criteria
11:25:45 on a piece of property by using our own home computer.
11:25:48 If we can do input together, a package like that, then
11:25:51 maybe all these land use lawyers who are saying it's
11:25:54 so difficult, ought to hire my husband, because it's
11:25:57 pretty easy to do.
11:25:59 We have a very, very good code.
11:26:01 Right now, two things that are happening that are very
11:26:04 dangerous.
11:26:05 We are talking about an opt-out procedure, and we're
11:26:08 talking about a situation where a mediator has tried
11:26:12 to undo designations for property.
11:26:15 Don't set a bad example.
11:26:17 This is very important.
11:26:18 I thoroughly support Mr. Fernandez.
11:26:20 Thank you.
11:26:21 >>GWEN MILLER: Thank you.
11:26:21 Would anyone else like to speak?

11:26:24 Need to close the public hearing.
11:26:25 >> So moved.
11:26:25 >> Second.
11:26:26 >>GWEN MILLER: Motion and second to close.
11:26:27 (Motion carried).
11:26:29 What is the pleasure of council members?
11:26:31 >> Move the resolution.
11:26:32 >> So moved.
11:26:33 >>KEVIN WHITE: Move the resolution.
11:26:43 >> Second.
11:26:43 (Motion carried).
11:26:43 >>GWEN MILLER: Item number 56.
11:26:45 Continued public hearing.
11:26:56 >>JAMES COOK: I have not been sworn.
11:26:58 >>GWEN MILLER: Is there anyone else in the public that
11:27:00 wants to speak and has not been sworn?
11:27:02 Will you please stand and raise your right hand?
11:27:03 (Oath administered by Clerk)
11:27:09 >>JAMES COOK: Land Development Coordination.
11:27:12 Petitioner is requesting to vacate a portion of
11:27:14 21st Avenue between 20th Avenue and interstate
11:27:19 4, between 52nd and 5 -- and 53rd street.

11:27:43 21st Avenue, interstate 4 to the north, 20th
11:27:47 Avenue to the south, 53rd street.
11:27:51 Petitioner's property is highlighted in red.
11:27:56 There's a lot of 21st Avenue looking east from
11:27:59 52nd street.
11:28:00 Petitioner's property is on the right-hand side of
11:28:02 this photo.
11:28:07 This is 21st Avenue looking west from 53rd
11:28:10 street.
11:28:10 Petitioner's property is on the left-hand side.
11:28:21 This is a shot continuing west across 52nd street.
11:28:24 This is not part of the vacating request.
11:28:26 It just shows the condition of 21st Avenue as it
11:28:29 continues west towards the interstate.
11:28:33 This is also not part of the request.
11:28:35 This is 21st Avenue continuing east across
11:28:38 53rd street.
11:28:42 This is 52nd street looking north from 21st
11:28:45 Avenue, also not part of the request.
11:28:47 Portion of 21st being requested, the right-hand
11:28:50 side of this photograph.
11:28:54 This is 52nd street looking south from 21st

11:28:58 Avenue.
11:28:58 This is at the dead-end toward the portion they want
11:29:02 to vacate.
11:29:04 This is 53rd street looking north.
11:29:07 Again this portion is not being requested to be
11:29:09 vacated.
11:29:10 21st Avenue being requested, the left-hand side of
11:29:14 this photograph.
11:29:14 You can see the dirt coming out there.
11:29:20 This is 53rd street looking south, 21st Avenue
11:29:22 continued south, the portion not vacated.
11:29:26 The area of petitioner's property along 53rd right
11:29:35 there.
11:29:37 A shot of the petitioner's property.
11:29:41 21st Avenue.
11:29:44 Another shot of petitioner's property lying west of
11:29:47 53rd street.
11:29:50 This is property abutting the north side of 21st
11:29:53 Avenue.
11:29:55 This is I-4 in the background.
11:29:57 And there's primary use, a billboard along the
11:30:04 interstate.

11:30:08 Currently there are objections to this vacating from
11:30:10 D.O.T. and stormwater.
11:30:12 Staff objects to this vacating request.
11:30:15 >>GWEN MILLER: Mr. Dingfelder.
11:30:17 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: As I look at this map, Mr. Cook, do
11:30:20 you have that one?
11:30:23 The total aerial.
11:30:25 The north-south street, is that functional?
11:30:38 >>> It dead-ends.
11:30:40 This residence accesses off of it and there's also a
11:30:43 house right there.
11:30:44 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Going to the other side, what is
11:30:46 that, 53rd street, that's paved?
11:30:50 >>> That's paved.
11:30:51 And it would allow circulation to go to
11:30:53 2121stst Avenue heading east.
11:30:59 So they are asking to vacate the between the two.
11:31:02 >> I guess we'll hear from the petitioner but the
11:31:04 argument being that there's no reason that anybody
11:31:07 would ever need to go up to the top of 52nd or
11:31:11 53rd and cut back and forth because he owns the
11:31:14 entire property?

11:31:14 >>> The entire stretch.
11:31:16 >> What is the objection of staff?
11:31:18 >>> Stormwater can speak to that.
11:31:21 They are objecting.
11:31:23 I believe he's going to point out that a line that
11:31:25 starts on the north side of the interstate, crosses
11:31:29 through the interstate, dumps into this.
11:31:31 They are also looking at future development, possibly
11:31:35 a drainage ditch or something along the right-of-way.
11:31:40 D.O.T. didn't have specifics but I assume it's for
11:31:42 possibly widening of the interstate in the future
11:31:45 since it clips right here, this portion of 21st
11:31:48 heading west dead-ends.
11:31:50 We would probably just transfer jurisdiction, this F
11:31:53 they wanted to widen it.
11:31:59 >> So was that section recently widened?
11:32:02 >> I know they did some pavement improvements but I do
11:32:05 not believe they actually acquired right-of-way to
11:32:07 widen the interstate.
11:32:08 I think they expanded within the existing
11:32:11 right-of-way.
11:32:13 >> I saw TECO had an objection.

11:32:15 >>> Their objection has been removed, as long as the
11:32:19 vacating is approved.
11:32:20 There's a condition put in the ordinance that TECO has
11:32:23 some kind of approval rights on the proposed
11:32:24 development that goes along there.
11:32:27 As you notice in some of the photographs.
11:32:32 Transmission lines that went along 21st Avenue.
11:32:40 >> I believe they would remove their objection.
11:32:53 Somebody from TECO is here.
11:32:55 >>ROLANDO SANTIAGO: Because this particular petition
11:33:00 comes to you this morning with a recommendation to not
11:33:02 approve, I have not prepared an ordinance in
11:33:05 anticipation.
11:33:06 Should you choose, you can make a motion that I
11:33:10 prepare the ordinance.
11:33:11 As a reminder to council, I can provide with you a
11:33:15 memorandum as standard review.
11:33:16 As a reminder, dedicated public rights-of-way, the
11:33:21 standard of review today would be whether or not also
11:33:24 public interest is being served, in vacating that
11:33:26 right-of-way.
11:33:26 That is all.

11:33:27 Thank you.
11:33:28 >>GWEN MILLER: Petitioner?
11:33:29 >> Pamela: I represent Tom Cassidy who drew the land
11:33:41 trust, abutting parcel on 21st Avenue.
11:33:46 I would like to give council a little bit of historic
11:33:48 perspective of the property.
11:33:49 And also discuss the petitioner's request, his
11:33:53 intentions for the property, and the opposition.
11:33:56 First of all, as far as historical perspective, this
11:34:00 property was subdivided in 1924 as part of Florence
11:34:07 VILLA subdivision.
11:34:09 21st Avenue was the northern boundary so therefore
11:34:11 if this petition is granted, and the right-of-way is
11:34:13 vacated, then whole right-of-way reverts back to the
11:34:17 subdivision.
11:34:18 It isn't divided half and half.
11:34:24 This is an aerial from the property appraiser's web
11:34:31 site.
11:34:31 It just shows the property is here.
11:34:36 And I wanted to give you a picture of the big lake
11:34:38 that's across the street.
11:34:40 The big lake was a borrow pit.

11:34:43 It's privately owned.
11:34:45 And they own from this little point here all the way
11:34:51 back to here.
11:34:54 This first section that adjoins the residential
11:34:57 property is zoned RS-50 and this section over here is
11:35:02 zoned C-1.
11:35:16 This is an aerial that gives you a little better view.
11:35:19 At some point in this, the history of this
11:35:23 subdivision, of course, I-4 came through, basically
11:35:28 cut the neighborhood in two.
11:35:30 The northwest part of it became commercial.
11:35:35 A lot of commercial area.
11:35:36 But to the south there, in the old Florence VILHL AP,
11:35:41 it states residential. That area is almost fully
11:35:44 developed.
11:35:45 There are a few new homes going around.
11:35:49 You see the homes going into this area right here.
11:35:52 These lots that my client owns were apparently never
11:35:56 built on, never developed.
11:35:58 And of course 21st Avenue, this little stretch
11:36:01 right here, was never paved
11:36:08 Homes in this area are probably 30 to 40 years old.

11:36:11 An extremely few are older.
11:36:18 What my client's intentions first of all, he plans to
11:36:22 replat the whole thing, the section he owns there.
11:36:27 And rather than have 12 lots, you know, very small
11:36:31 lots, he intends to make them larger.
11:36:35 And he's going to have eight lots and build
11:36:37 single-family detached homes.
11:36:40 My client has investigated the area.
11:36:45 He believes that because of the proximity to downtown,
11:36:51 easy access to I-4, that this area would be attractive
11:36:54 to young growing families, working-class families who
11:36:59 can afford to purchase medium sized homes.
11:37:01 He plans to build, as I said, single-family detached
11:37:05 homes in medium price from 250 to probably 350.
11:37:09 >> What are they going to do for a street?
11:37:11 >> I am getting to that, Mr. Dingfelder.
11:37:15 >> All right.
11:37:16 Go ahead.
11:37:17 >>> Because that portion of 21st Avenue, he plans
11:37:24 to put in a street. It will be a privately owned
11:37:24 street.
11:37:25 There will be a homeowner association to pay for and

11:37:28 maintain the street.
11:37:29 Now, he envisions, my client envisions, a nice little
11:37:35 semi private cohesive community that will promote
11:37:38 pride of ownership, will enhance the community, and
11:37:41 encourage improvements in the area and redevelopment.
11:37:46 >> Is that gated?
11:37:47 >> It will not be gated.
11:37:52 There will be a sign that will indicate this is
11:37:55 private property and prohibits trespassing.
11:38:04 This is just a conceptual drawing showing the eight
11:38:08 lots.
11:38:10 A little bigger size lots.
11:38:11 And showing the what he plans to do with the road.
11:38:21 We have talked to staff to an extent.
11:38:23 There's going to have to be a turn-around area for
11:38:25 people to come in.
11:38:28 The cul-de-sac will discourage through traffic for
11:38:32 people who don't live there.
11:38:33 But there will be something here, probably pavers or
11:38:36 something, for emergency vehicles to drive over.
11:38:39 So it won't just end where an emergency vehicle
11:38:43 couldn't get through but the idea is to discourage

11:38:45 through-traffic.
11:38:47 Now, this request to vacate is in the public interest
11:38:53 or general welfare, not for purely private interest
11:38:56 for four reasons, at least four reasons, one being
11:38:58 that this section of 21st Avenue obviously was
11:39:02 never paved.
11:39:03 To vacate it will alleviate the public from having to
11:39:05 build a road and maintain a road here when no one uses
11:39:09 this road except the adjacent property owners; which
11:39:13 will be future owners of those single-family homes.
11:39:16 This section is used by very few members of the
11:39:18 public, except, I have to say, illegally by people who
11:39:26 come in to dump there.
11:39:27 There's a lot of illegal dumping going on.
11:39:30 There's a lot of use by vagrants, substance abusers,
11:39:36 you know, drug dealers, that sort of thing going on
11:39:38 there, as well as illegal trespassing to get to the
11:39:42 lake, possibly for fishing, or whatever.
11:39:45 But there's a lot of illegal use of that area, and
11:39:49 hard to keep people out.
11:39:51 So vacating will alleviate the public nuisance of
11:39:54 dumping and trespassing to get to the private lake.

11:39:57 Vacating also fosters development of these lots in a
11:40:02 manner that will create a cohesive community and pride
11:40:05 of ownership.
11:40:06 And again, that's my client's intention for the
11:40:10 properties.
11:40:11 And we realize, please, this is just a conceptual
11:40:14 drawing.
11:40:15 The design will have to be worked out per the
11:40:19 requirements in the Land Development Code.
11:40:21 But my client feels that having a private road, and
11:40:26 having it demonstrated by signage, and basically the
11:40:30 two cul-de-sacs, will discourage people from coming in
11:40:35 to use the property across the street, especially
11:40:39 illegally.
11:40:40 There is some opposition as was mentioned.
11:40:45 We have met with and talked to the agencies on that
11:40:49 are indications.
11:40:50 But we had a meeting.
11:40:51 And with all those concerns.
11:40:55 TECO and public works are going to require some
11:40:58 conditions.
11:40:59 My client certainly has no objection at all to the

11:41:02 conditions, and intends to grant easements as needed.
11:41:05 Well, easements across the entire stretch for
11:41:11 utilities, for emergency vehicles, for use by the city
11:41:13 drainage, transportation for the city, whatever is
11:41:17 required.
11:41:23 Stormwater basically have said they are having some
11:41:31 issues with flooding across I-4.
11:41:34 And in this area, which is the Grant Park area.
11:41:40 They say that they are going across I-4 into this
11:41:44 privately owned lake, although they indicate to us
11:41:46 they have not been able to find that pipe.
11:41:48 But our position is that whether or not this road is
11:41:53 private or public, there's going to be a road there.
11:41:56 Homes are going to be built.
11:41:57 That's going to have to be a road.
11:41:59 So whether it's private or public it's going to have
11:42:01 to be -- there's going to have to be accommodation for
11:42:06 drainage, drainage from the road, the development
11:42:10 there on those lots.
11:42:11 But the situation across I-4 is Grant Park.
11:42:15 However, it's going to be addressed, and that road is
11:42:18 going to be there.

11:42:22 With the department of transportation, I contacted
11:42:25 them, or tried to, rather, on several occasions, and
11:42:28 the explanation I get is simply that they think within
11:42:32 the next 20 years or so, I-4 might need to be widened.
11:42:36 And so they object based on that.
11:42:38 And that's all I can get from them.
11:42:41 There is an objection from the properties, the owner
11:42:46 of this lake.
11:42:49 Back to the Elmo.
11:42:50 The owner of the lake across from the property here.
11:42:57 Ventury property is based on access and they are
11:43:02 concerned we are going to cut off their access.
11:43:04 But as you can see on this aerial, there is direct and
11:43:09 clear access along 53rd and 52nd, all along
11:43:14 21st Avenue here, so they can directly access the
11:43:17 property here.
11:43:19 You can see from the photographs earlier, too, there's
11:43:22 even a gate there.
11:43:23 So they can directly access here.
11:43:24 They can directly access here and across here.
11:43:28 So it's not cutting off their access.
11:43:32 Venture properties has indicated to us that they have

11:43:34 an intention at some point of using that lake in a
11:43:36 commercial way.
11:43:37 I just want to point out this section of the lake that
11:43:41 effects these residential properties is zoned RS-50,
11:43:45 and venture properties has not shared with us exactly
11:43:50 what commercial use they are going -- they intend to
11:43:53 do with that lake.
11:43:54 But they have something in mind.
11:43:57 So there's adequate access.
11:43:59 It not being cut off.
11:44:01 And it's residentially zoned anyway.
11:44:03 So we respectfully request then that council approve
11:44:07 this request to vacate the right-of-way.
11:44:12 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: How long has your client owned this
11:44:16 property?
11:44:19 >>> Well, acquired --
11:44:28 >>> Cassidy, I have been sworn in.
11:44:32 And we have owned the property since the first of the
11:44:34 year.
11:44:36 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Okay, thank you.
11:44:37 I think that's a really relevant question, because
11:44:41 it's not like it's been in the family for a thousand

11:44:43 years before.
11:44:46 If you purchased the property this year then he
11:44:49 purchased it knowing the situation.
11:44:57 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I'll wait and discuss it after we
11:44:59 close.
11:44:59 >>GWEN MILLER: Would anyone in the public like to
11:45:01 speak on item number 56?
11:45:12 >> Truett Gardner, 101 Franklin Street.
11:45:16 Revealing truth ministries.
11:45:17 Here with me is Tom McCrow and Kim Saunders.
11:45:21 We don't desire to be difficult at all in this request
11:45:24 but do have some serious concerns that we feel we need
11:45:27 to bring to your attention, and revealing truth
11:45:33 ministries, the line is actually kind of straddles the
11:45:38 line between city and county.
11:45:39 They have gone through the county process, received a
11:45:43 rezoning as long-term plan, moved the congregation out
11:45:49 to this property. The lake in question is here. The
11:45:51 property in question is actually on the other side of
11:45:53 the lake.
11:45:58 Not only owns this property but owns the lake.
11:46:29 This is the .8 acres of what they are proposing to

11:46:32 vacate.
11:46:33 And as a part of this negative piece of property, this
11:46:35 would negatively impact them and two others.
11:46:44 They are not going to use this for commercial but
11:46:46 perhaps a recreational purpose and by doing this, if
11:46:50 the emergency vehicle were to try to access the
11:46:54 property.
11:46:58 And as petitioner said, might have some sort of access
11:47:01 in the middle of this cut-through or emergency
11:47:04 vehicles could possibly cut through that.
11:47:09 In a meeting the other day, possibly some shrubs in
11:47:11 the middle.
11:47:12 So I can only imagine a situation where this is being
11:47:16 used for purposes.
11:47:37 They would not be traversing across private property
11:47:40 and access their own property.
11:47:41 As you know, in your standards, one of the -- from
11:47:48 glancing through these, the cost of maintaining the
11:47:56 right-of-way, no longer useful, members of the public.
11:48:00 And this situation where it's not used much now, there
11:48:02 are plans to use that.
11:48:05 And this would be taking that right-of-way.

11:48:07 Secondly, alleviate public uses.
11:48:16 I had -- I went out to this property after a meeting
11:48:19 on Monday.
11:48:20 And this was what I found.
11:48:27 This is looking west. This is looking east.
11:48:29 I didn't see any evidence of dumping or any criminal
11:48:32 activity.
11:48:34 It's well manicured.
11:48:45 The property would be completely cut off.
11:48:56 Their chances are much more difficult.
11:49:02 We would just request that this petition be denied.
11:49:06 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Question for Mr. Gardner.
11:49:07 Did you want to circulate that document?
11:49:14 >>> I just want to use it to get an idea of what we
11:49:17 are going through with the property.
11:49:19 >>GWEN MILLER: Thank you.
11:49:20 Next.
11:49:28 >>GWEN MILLER: Have you been sworn?
11:49:30 Raise your right hand.
11:49:31 (Oath administered by Clerk).
11:49:35 >>> Calvin McCray, 4107 east Owaha, Tampa.
11:49:43 I would like to address a couple things mentioned by

11:49:45 council for Mr. Cassidy.
11:49:48 As you saw in the photographs there's no evidence of
11:49:51 illegal dumping, illegal activity.
11:49:54 One thing that promotes this is being able to conceal.
11:49:59 At one time there was some dumping.
11:50:02 At one time there has been some vagrants out there.
11:50:04 But we came in.
11:50:05 We cleaned the whole area, removed all the potential
11:50:08 for that kind of things to exist.
11:50:09 Since we have owned the property, we haven't had any
11:50:11 challenges with that kind of thing.
11:50:13 We got the fence up, and we have it secured.
11:50:19 One of the things like our attorney mentioned there is
11:50:24 no plans to have commercial use of that site.
11:50:26 This is something that we are doing on a site he owns
11:50:33 east of that.
11:50:34 There's going to be a large sanctuary there, a family
11:50:37 life center, going to be a teen scene.
11:50:40 Our objective is really to be nothing but an asset to
11:50:42 the whole community.
11:50:43 And by being there, that's our intent, that's our
11:50:46 goal.

11:50:47 The site that we are talking about now is going to be
11:50:50 used in conjunction with the plans to reach out to the
11:50:52 community.
11:50:52 And that's why it's going to be a recreational
11:50:54 facility.
11:50:56 We are planning to have perhaps a recreational
11:50:58 facility, something that's going to really enhance and
11:51:00 support what we are doing in the entire area.
11:51:02 So our plans are not to cause any challenges to the
11:51:07 area but to enhance the area.
11:51:08 >>GWEN MILLER: Thank you.
11:51:09 Next.
11:51:15 >>> Clem salter, east wilder, and I have been sworn.
11:51:21 My objection to it is, how does it serve the public?
11:51:25 If we vacate a right-of-way, how does that serve that
11:51:30 public?
11:51:31 It doesn't serve the public.
11:51:34 We serve the public.
11:51:38 We have to go all the way around.
11:51:41 If we try to get to an area, we go all the way around
11:51:44 probably about three to four blocks to go around to
11:51:48 get back to that gate.

11:51:52 If you look at the photos they show, there is use on
11:51:56 that property.
11:51:58 People do cut through there and go back around to
11:52:01 their property.
11:52:04 So we have objection to closing that right-of-way.
11:52:09 >>GWEN MILLER: Thank you.
11:52:10 Would anyone else like to speak?
11:52:11 Petitioner, do you want rebuttal?
11:52:19 >>> First of all, I would like to address the issue of
11:52:23 illegal dumping and trespassing.
11:52:26 My client has advised me that since he purchased this
11:52:31 property, he himself has been out there and cleaned it
11:52:33 up, too.
11:52:34 So the venture properties has stated that they have
11:52:39 had to clean it up, and so has my client.
11:52:41 He's also had to clean it up.
11:52:43 So in the picture it's clean.
11:52:45 But obviously they have been making efforts to keep it
11:52:49 that way.
11:52:51 As far as emergency vehicles getting through, we must
11:52:54 make a way for them to get through.
11:52:56 There will be an easement.

11:52:57 We have to make a way for them to get through.
11:52:59 And if the design is not approved as a -- at the
11:53:07 design stage, then it will have to be designed and
11:53:10 situated that they can get through.
11:53:14 Now, as far as how it serves the public interest, I
11:53:17 think I have already addressed that, at least in four
11:53:20 different ways.
11:53:21 That is the city -- citizens will not have to pay for
11:53:25 building a road there, and maintaining a road there.
11:53:28 It will be privately done.
11:53:30 Very few members of the public use this stretch of
11:53:33 21st Avenue, or should, rather.
11:53:36 And there's in a reason for anyone to access that
11:53:38 except for the adjacent property owners, which would
11:53:42 be the single-family homeowners.
11:53:45 Vacating the right-of-way will alleviate the public
11:53:48 nuisance of dumping and the trespassing and it will
11:53:51 foster development of these lots in a way that creates
11:53:53 a cohesive community with pride of ownership, and will
11:53:57 make some nice homes and nice subdivision there.
11:54:04 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I have been thinking about this
11:54:06 property.

11:54:06 And it seems to me you can do exactly what you plan to
11:54:09 do without requiring vacation, if you put the road in
11:54:13 where there might have been an alley, as a portion of
11:54:16 your property that's adjacent to the residences.
11:54:21 That way you have a private road.
11:54:22 You have your cohesiveness.
11:54:25 You do give up a little bit of land.
11:54:27 You actually put people's back yards towards I-4 which
11:54:30 I think would be preferable than facing I-4.
11:54:32 So if we were to deny this, would you still have that
11:54:35 option for your clients to develop the property in
11:54:38 that fashion, and not inconvenience the public.
11:54:44 >>> Thank you, Ms. Saul-Sena.
11:54:45 I think that the size of the lots might preclude that,
11:54:49 and particularly since in this area there has to be
11:54:52 septic tanks.
11:54:53 There's in a public sewer.
11:54:54 So the lots have to be of a certain size.
11:54:57 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Move to close.
11:55:04 >> Second.
11:55:04 (Motion carried).
11:55:04 >>KEVIN WHITE: I move for denial of this particular

11:55:09 project based on competent substantial evidence.
11:55:12 >>GWEN MILLER: Question on the motion, Mr. Shelby?
11:55:17 >>MARTIN SHELBY: For the sake of the record if you
11:55:18 could just set forth the reasons and basis for the
11:55:21 decision.
11:55:23 I'm sorry to interrupt.
11:55:25 >>KEVIN WHITE: I know you are trying to get out of
11:55:26 here for lunch.
11:55:27 [ Laughter ]
11:55:32 >> Cheap shot. Anyway, for some of the emergency
11:55:35 roadway conditions that the petitioner -- or I'm
11:55:39 sorry, the people in opposition brought up for
11:55:42 transportation easements for emergency vehicles and
11:55:46 the pattern is not conducive for or the vacation would
11:55:50 not be conducive for the public interest.
11:55:56 >>GWEN MILLER: We have a motion and second.
11:55:58 (Motion carried)
11:56:01 The motion is denied.
11:56:04 Item number 57 continued public hearing.
11:56:10 >>HEATHER LAMBOY: Land development.
11:56:15 I have been sworn.
11:56:17 This was considered at the July 13th hearing.

11:56:25 The church on Bayshore at Ballast Point.
11:56:28 The changes that were made.
11:56:30 Previously located immediately adjacent to town homes.
11:56:33 And the petitioner, responding to neighborhood
11:56:34 concern, would move that dumpster away from town
11:56:40 homes.
11:56:40 And also the neighborhood concern about access to Park
11:56:45 Avenue.
11:56:45 That access has since been closed.
11:56:48 This is the area of the proposed parking lot.
11:56:50 The dumpster will be located.
11:56:53 You can see in this area approximately in this
11:56:55 location, adjacent to the town homes behind the trees
11:56:58 here.
11:56:58 And to refresh your memory as to the church itself.
11:57:05 This is the church.
11:57:11 And that remains the same.
11:57:13 It's just going to be the fellowship hall to the rear.
11:57:20 >>GWEN MILLER: Petitioner.
11:57:22 >>> There are no objections.
11:57:23 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: I'm happy to answer any questions.
11:57:26 I now want to get out of here and we thank you for

11:57:28 letting us come back today with these changes.
11:57:30 >>GWEN MILLER: Is there anyone in the public that
11:57:32 wants to speak on item number 57?
11:57:34 >> Move to close.
11:57:35 >> Second.
11:57:35 (Motion carried)
11:57:45 >> Move an ordinance rezoning property in the general
11:57:47 vicinity of 5101 Bayshore Boulevard in the city of
11:57:50 Tampa, Florida and more particularly described in
11:57:52 section 1 from zoning district classifications RM-12
11:57:55 residential multifamily to PD planned development,
11:57:58 church and parking lot, providing an effective date.
11:57:59 >>GWEN MILLER: I have a motion and second.
11:58:01 All in favor of the motion say Aye.
11:58:02 Opposed, Nay.
11:58:03 Item 58, continue to August 17th.
11:58:07 >> So moved.
11:58:08 >> Did it.
11:58:12 >>GWEN MILLER: All right.
11:58:17 >>> We had already rescheduled it.
11:58:19 >>GWEN MILLER: Okay.
11:58:20 Is the appeal hearing going to be long?

11:58:22 >>> I hope not.
11:58:23 >>GWEN MILLER: We need a motion.
11:58:28 >> I move to waive the rules to go until 12:30.
11:58:37 >> I don't think it will take long.
11:58:39 >> Motion and second.
11:58:41 (Motion Carried).
11:58:41 >>CATHERINE COYLE: Land development.
11:58:45 Sorry.
11:58:58 >>GWEN MILLER: Motion and second.
11:59:00 All in favor say Aye.
11:59:02 >>CATHERINE COYLE: Land development.
11:59:03 I have been sworn.
11:59:04 This petition is for appeal of the zoning
11:59:07 administrator decision for a special use 1, single
11:59:11 family attached residential unit.
11:59:13 Located at 2602 west DeLeon street.
11:59:16 You will notice on the zoning -- Swann Avenue is to
11:59:25 the south.
11:59:26 Armenia, Tampania.
11:59:32 Chapter 27 special use criteria is the piece of the
11:59:36 code that's being appealed.
11:59:38 It is to approve the construction of seven single

11:59:42 family attached units.
11:59:43 The one criteria that they did not meet was the site
11:59:46 must maintain direct access to a collector arterial
11:59:49 street.
11:59:50 Land development does have no objections to this.
11:59:54 The site currently is zoned CI.
11:59:57 As you will note on the zoning.
12:00:00 There are several PDs immediately across the Street
12:00:03 and to the north that have been rezoned in recent
12:00:05 years to PD for townhouse development.
12:00:12 It allows very intense, even some open storage on that
12:00:17 site as well.
12:00:20 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: who denied it?
12:00:22 >>> I have to deny it.
12:00:23 It doesn't meet the criteria.
12:00:24 >>: So you denied it but you are not objecting?
12:00:27 >>> I'm not objecting.
12:00:29 >> And what's currently on the property?
12:00:31 >>CATHERINE COYLE: Currently, the property is 100%
12:00:34 impervious.
12:00:35 It has a large metal building.
12:00:40 >> Signs?

12:00:43 >>> I can't remember exactly what it is but it is a
12:00:45 large metal bidding which will be demolished.
12:00:48 >> Do you have a picture of it?
12:00:50 >>> I passed on the out.
12:00:51 >> The picture?
12:00:52 >>> Oh, a picture.
12:00:53 No, I do not have a picture of what's on the site.
12:00:55 >> Can I ask you why you didn't have them do a PD
12:01:03 instead of a special use?
12:01:07 >>> I didn't council them initial live.
12:01:09 In the code, special use 1 to apply.
12:01:12 They applied for the special use 1.
12:01:14 I don't review these.
12:01:17 >> Could they have applied for the PD instead of?
12:01:20 >>> They could have, yes.
12:01:21 You would have waived that criteria if you would have
12:01:23 approved it through that process.
12:01:24 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: site plan specific.
12:01:30 >>> It is. It's by the site plan. I did pass it out.
12:01:43 >>SHAWN HARRISON: Basically what you are saying is,
12:01:44 you have no authority to do anything other than to
12:01:46 deny it.

12:01:47 And this kind of kicks it up to us.
12:01:49 >>> Correct.
12:01:50 And in looking at; we really don't have any basis to
12:01:53 object at this point based upon the special use
12:01:55 criteria except the fact that I couldn't approve it.
12:01:57 And noting the area that it's in.
12:02:03 >>SHAWN HARRISON: Okay.
12:02:03 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Question.
12:02:05 The typical thing that we look for on these types of
12:02:10 PDs for these small projects, it looks like they have
12:02:12 solid waste.
12:02:14 Has this been circulated to all departments?
12:02:16 >>> Yes.
12:02:16 Through a special use 1, it goes through the same
12:02:18 process as a PD or special use 2.
12:02:20 It's just done administratively.
12:02:24 >> So in a departments have corrections?
12:02:27 >>> Correct.
12:02:28 The only objection would be access to a collector or
12:02:30 arterial.
12:02:31 >>MARY ALVAREZ: So either deny or waive it, right?
12:02:37 >>> You either reverse my decision or affirm my

12:02:39 decision.
12:02:39 >>MARY ALVAREZ: Okay.
12:02:46 >>SHAWN HARRISON: That's the second time today that
12:02:48 happened.
12:02:48 [ Laughter ]
12:02:50 >>GWEN MILLER: You can decide whether you want to
12:02:51 reverse or deny.
12:02:52 Okay.
12:02:53 Go ahead.
12:02:54 That's it?
12:02:56 >>CATHERINE COYLE: I'm done.
12:02:57 Planning Commission also had no objection.
12:02:59 They found it consistent.
12:03:00 >>GWEN MILLER: Petitioner?
12:03:08 >>> I'm an architect.
12:03:09 And I'm representing client in this project.
12:03:12 We have been through all the A.R.C., all approved, and
12:03:17 we agreed with passing it.
12:03:24 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: On the PDs we often see a facade
12:03:28 or some type of representation.
12:03:32 >> We were told that was all we needed when we started
12:03:34 the project.

12:03:35 >> Okay.
12:03:35 >>> It was fine.
12:03:36 If we present it the way we did.
12:03:44 >> Is there anyone in the public that wants to speak
12:03:46 on item number 59?
12:03:47 Anyone want to speak?
12:03:49 >> Move to close.
12:03:49 >> Second.
12:03:50 (Motion carried).
12:03:50 >>SHAWN HARRISON: Based upon the extensive record
12:03:56 evidence that's been put before us I move to reverse
12:03:58 the decision of the administrator.
12:04:02 >> Second.
12:04:08 >>SHAWN HARRISON: Do we need to vote on that first?
12:04:12 I move an ordinance approving a special use permit S-1
12:04:15 on appeal from decision of the zoning administrator
12:04:17 approving single-family attached residential
12:04:19 development, town homes, located at 2602 west DeLeon
12:04:23 street, in a CI commercial intensive zoning district
12:04:26 in the city of Tampa, Florida, and more particularly
12:04:28 described in section 1 waiving the required access to
12:04:31 an arterial or collector street, providing an

12:04:33 effective date.
12:04:35 >> It's called a grand slam.
12:04:36 >> We have a motion and second.
12:04:37 All in favor say Aye.
12:04:39 Opposed, Nay.
12:04:40 Information from council.
12:04:42 Mr. Shelby?
12:04:44 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I want to make sure I catch council
12:04:46 before you leave for this evening.
12:04:47 Mr. Daignault provided me something to pass out to
12:04:49 council.
12:04:56 Steve kindle, consultant schedule, out of the country
12:05:00 the second and third of September.
12:05:01 He's available the week of the third and week of the
12:05:03 24th.
12:05:04 Mr. Daignault asked that you consider those
12:05:06 availabilities of those two weeks when you look at
12:05:09 available dates for council.
12:05:12 This is both for the south Gandy study and the TCEA.
12:05:17 Mr. Kindle would be making presentations for both
12:05:22 times.
12:05:29 With regard to the library and the convention center,

12:05:32 Mr. Daignault indicated that his office would make
12:05:34 inquiry before this evening.
12:05:39 >>MARY ALVAREZ: I think it ought to be at the
12:05:41 convention center.
12:05:43 >>GWEN MILLER: Will the convention center be
12:05:45 available?
12:05:46 >>ROSE FERLITA: For either one of those weeks?
12:05:48 Every day?
12:05:49 >>GWEN MILLER: We have the dates here, September
12:05:54 4th --
12:05:57 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Have we talked about doing this at
12:06:00 night?
12:06:01 >>GWEN MILLER: Continued to tonight.
12:06:03 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: No, in a, no.
12:06:05 >>GWEN MILLER: Oh, the meeting?
12:06:07 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: If you are going to dot during the
12:06:09 day, we don't need to have a huge space.
12:06:11 You know, it's typical we are not going to get a big
12:06:14 turnout.
12:06:14 If we do it in the evening, then yes, we probably need
12:06:17 the Jan Platt library or bigger space.
12:06:19 >>THE CLERK: According to an e-mail forwarded to us by

12:06:23 Mr. Daignault's office, convention center has advised
12:06:27 that there is a room available to the 5th,
12:06:30 6th, 8th, 11th, 15th, 22nd,
12:06:35 25th in the evening.
12:06:42 >>GWEN MILLER: To Mr. Dingfelder's question are we
12:06:46 going to have this at night or in the day?
12:06:49 >>SHAWN HARRISON: Ms. Vizzi raised an excellent point.
12:06:51 I think because we are talking about something that's
12:06:53 city-wide that that's the fairest, would be to hold it
12:06:56 here.
12:06:57 And we have had hearings before where we opened up the
12:07:01 Mascotte room, and we have the capability of doing
12:07:03 that.
12:07:03 But this is a familiar location.
12:07:05 Everyone knows what they are dealing with when they
12:07:08 come here.
12:07:09 There are parking issues with the convention center.
12:07:11 So I would just suggest that we -- have it here, and
12:07:15 if we need to do it in an evening meeting, I don't
12:07:17 know what type of -- I suppose the bulk of the people
12:07:20 that would be here will be from the South Tampa area.
12:07:24 So I would just say that this is the most convenient

12:07:28 location.
12:07:29 Let's just do it here.
12:07:30 We'll make it an evening meeting if that's
12:07:32 appropriate.
12:07:44 I think we could logistically do that.
12:07:48 It would seem like a good central location for
12:07:50 everybody.
12:07:53 >>MARY ALVAREZ: I would think the convention center --
12:07:57 >>GWEN MILLER: Let's think about it.
12:08:00 Let's think about it.
12:08:01 >>> I would like to say --
12:08:03 >>GWEN MILLER: Let's think about it.
12:08:08 Let's decide whether you want evening, morning, go to
12:08:13 Rose Ferlita's house.
12:08:16 [ Laughter ]
12:08:16 >>ROSE FERLITA: Would you repeat that?
12:08:23 [ Laughter ]
12:08:25 >>GWEN MILLER: So this afternoon you come back with a
12:08:30 decision when you want to have it, what time you want
12:08:33 to have it and where you want to have it.
12:08:36 Be back this afternoon at 5:30.
12:08:41 >>KEVIN WHITE: Make sure you check with that place to

12:08:43 make sure it's available.
12:08:44 >>ROSE FERLITA: Mr. Dingfelder -- in the spirit --
12:08:51 >>GWEN MILLER: Somebody put that in the motion.
12:08:56 >>GWEN MILLER: We have a motion and second.
12:09:00 All in favor of the motion say Aye.
12:09:02 Mr. Dingfelder, do you have any news?
12:09:04 Mr. Harrison?
12:09:05 >>SHAWN HARRISON: Yes, I would like to have a
12:09:07 commendation made for a young eagle scout who is going
12:09:14 for his eagle scout.
12:09:20 I'll present that to him at his ceremony.
12:09:24 >> Second.
12:09:24 (Motion carried).
12:09:25 >>MARY ALVAREZ: Nothing.
12:09:30 >>ROSE FERLITA: Madam Chairman, I would like to make a
12:09:33 commendation also but to a senior citizen, Mr. Hedrick
12:09:39 who has been volunteering for many years at legion
12:09:42 post 111 and also volunteered her volunteerism to the
12:09:47 order of police on a regular basis. They asked that I
12:09:47 go present it onsite.
12:09:50 (Motion carried)
12:09:54 That's all, thank you.

12:09:54 >>KEVIN WHITE: No, ma'am.
12:09:56 >>GWEN MILLER: Clerk?
12:10:00 >>THE CLERK: Motion to receive and file.
12:10:03 >> So moved.
12:10:04 >> Second.
12:10:04 (Motion carried).
12:10:05 >>GWEN MILLER: Anything else to come before council?
12:10:07 We go to the audience portion.
12:10:10 >>ROSE FERLITA: See you at 6:30.
12:10:12 >>GWEN MILLER: We go to the audience portion. 5:30.
12:10:57 (Meeting adjourned.)