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Tampa City Council
Thursday, November 30, 2006
9:00 a.m. Session

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00:43:32 [Sounding gavel]
09:06:57 >>GWEN MILLER: Tampa City Council is called to order.
09:06:59 Today I'm very happy to introduce the person who is
09:07:03 going to do the invocation this morning.
09:07:05 It is Desiree Valdez, legislative aide to Mary Alvarez
09:07:12 and legislative aid to Tampa City Council for the past
09:07:16 14 years.
09:07:16 She is a fourth generation Floridian.
09:07:19 She's highly involved with the citizens of Tampa, both
09:07:21 professionally and in her years served as legislative
09:07:26 aide and president of her neighborhood Riverside
09:07:29 heights.
09:07:29 Now Ms. Desiree Valdez, will you please come up and
09:07:34 give the invocation and please standing for the pledge
09:07:37 of allegiance?
09:07:38 >>> Good morning, Madam Chair, City Council.
09:07:43 Let us pray.
09:07:45 Dear God: Thank you for the many blessings you have
09:07:48 bestowed on us.
09:07:49 The power of knowledge to know right from wrong, the
09:07:52 knowledge of courage to take us through and make
09:07:56 decisions not based on biased feelings but the
09:08:01 decisions from the heart.
09:08:04 Lord, gathered here now, we ask that you guide this
09:08:07 council through this day's proceedings with the
09:08:09 strength and conviction of understanding and reason,
09:08:12 all encompassed in the duties we have elected them to
09:08:15 assume.
09:08:16 May everyone who enters this chambers have integrity,
09:08:20 honesty and patience and for those seeking truth for
09:08:25 our freedoms we ask God be with them always.
09:08:28 For this we pray.
09:08:29 Amen.
09:08:30 [ Pledge of Allegiance ]
09:08:44 >>GWEN MILLER: Roll it call.
09:08:47 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Here.
09:08:48 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Here.
09:08:49 >>SHAWN HARRISON: Here.
09:08:50 >>MARY ALVAREZ: Here.
09:08:50 >>GWEN MILLER: Here.
09:08:52 Before we begin our agenda, we have some candidates
09:08:56 who were not able to be here on Tuesday for the
09:08:59 interviews so we are going to first give those
09:09:01 candidates opportunity.
09:09:06 Attorney Marty Shelby.
09:09:07 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Good morning.
09:09:10 People who had previously discussed or contacted
09:09:13 council and informed them they would be unable to
09:09:16 attend Tuesday, in district 2, the first person was
09:09:22 and is Joseph V. Citro, followed by Jim Collins.
09:09:28 Are either Mr. Citro or Ms. Collins here this morning?

09:09:39 Okay.
09:09:39 Is Mr. Citro here this morning?
09:09:48 With regard to others who were not able to make it the
09:09:51 last time, Robert Ashworth, Cole Atkinson, and William
09:10:00 J. Podolsky III.
09:10:05 Are any of you present today?
09:10:07 I see no response, council.
09:10:18 >> I just wanted to compliment Ms. Saul-Sena and Ms.
09:10:22 Alvarez on their valiant stand in Ybor City, I think
09:10:25 was it yesterday?
09:10:27 In tying themselves to the bulldozer.
09:10:32 Let's hope that we can save this facade of that
09:10:38 wonderful historic building.
09:10:39 >> We are actually working very hard at it.
09:10:42 I don't know about Linda, but it was a labor of love
09:10:45 for me.
09:10:45 I know it was for her.
09:10:47 And the way it turned out that are we were both out
09:10:49 there.
09:10:50 She saw me going to my rotary meeting and she said
09:10:54 sent somebody to get me.
09:10:55 So I'm glad she did and we worked really well together

09:10:58 and got everybody together.
09:10:59 And I think that the facade will be saved.
09:11:06 >> Congratulations.
09:11:07 >> I hope that in the future the question that the
09:11:10 city asks in a situation like this is not "is this
09:11:17 site dangerous and vulnerable?"
09:11:21 But rather the question "can we explore -- can we see
09:11:26 if it's possible to save it?"
09:11:29 Because we have so few historic structures in our
09:11:33 natural landmark district.
09:11:34 Every one is precious.
09:11:36 So now the ball is in the court of the property owner
09:11:39 for whom it really wouldn't probably be -- it would be
09:11:43 a question of love for the community that would
09:11:48 encourage him to do this.
09:11:50 So I encourage everyone who owns buildings in Ybor
09:11:53 City to encourage to invest and save the building.
09:11:57 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Linda, we also have that fund.
09:12:00 And perhaps council and the administration can explore
09:12:02 using the historic fund to maybe as a short-term loan
09:12:07 or something.
09:12:07 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Maybe at the end of the meeting

09:12:10 under new business we can suggest that.
09:12:12 >>GWEN MILLER: Mr. Shelby?
09:12:15 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Council, I just wish to bring to your
09:12:18 attention -- and I suspect -- candidate Robert
09:12:25 Ashworth had questions regarding his eligibility with
09:12:30 regard to residency and I don't believe he's here to
09:12:32 address that.
09:12:33 But Ms. Foxx-Knowles, I guess based on your research
09:12:37 he does not appear to be qualified.
09:12:38 So his name may appear on your ballot.
09:12:40 I would just caution you that it appears he does not
09:12:44 meet the residential requirements.
09:12:45 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: What's his name?
09:12:47 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Robert Ashworth.
09:12:50 Would you like to distribute the ballots and would you
09:12:54 wish to say anything in advance?
09:12:55 >>SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES: City clerk.
09:13:06 I will distribute the ballots.
09:13:09 And you will vote for one person.
09:13:14 I will pick up the ballots and count them.
09:13:19 If we don't have a majority then we will have a second
09:13:22 ballot.

09:13:22 But we will vote now.
09:13:25 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Council, I would remind you that we
09:13:27 are taking the districts in order, district 2 being
09:13:34 first.
09:13:34 That will be the only ballot.
09:13:36 Just district 2.
09:13:37 And when that process is complete, then council will
09:13:40 undertake filling the position in district 5.
09:13:49 Council, I should also point out, as you know, these
09:13:52 are not secret ballots.
09:13:53 They are public records.
09:13:54 And the results will be announced by the city clerk.
09:14:19 We can move on with other business.
09:14:21 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: It's only five.
09:14:23 It's going to take like one second to tally them.
09:14:25 >>MARTIN SHELBY: What's going to happen, council, I
09:14:27 believe, unless someone receives three votes, which
09:14:33 represent it is majority of the existing council
09:14:35 members on the first ballot, the rules require
09:14:38 additional ballots, which Ms. Foxx-Knowles and her
09:14:44 office is able to generate quickly.
09:14:46 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: We have this.

09:14:47 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: That's not what they wanted to do.
09:14:50 They wanted to have a clean ballot of 5 or 4 or 3.
09:14:55 You have to have a good paper trail in case there's
09:14:57 any issue.
09:15:00 That was the procedure we agreed on, Linda.
09:15:03 I guess we should stick to the.
09:15:04 >>GWEN MILLER: We will go to our sign-in sheet.
09:15:08 We have Abbye Feeley.
09:15:16 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I don't see her.
09:15:19 They may be waiting for this to be over.
09:15:21 Is there anybody else on the sign-in?
09:15:23 >>GWEN MILLER: That's all on the sign-in.
09:15:26 Anything to remove from the agenda?
09:15:29 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Hold on a second.
09:15:39 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Give us a moment.
09:15:46 >>MARY ALVAREZ: There's items 28 and 33 in the
09:15:50 building and zoning that pertains to the building on
09:15:59 the GTE federal credit union.
09:16:02 I just want to say that's a very important purchase
09:16:06 for the city, as far as what Tampa concerns, because
09:16:17 it's going to help with that area there.
09:16:19 And I'm just excited about it.

09:16:22 I went to see the building when it was first
09:16:24 mentioned, and I was very, very excited that West
09:16:34 Tampa could really appreciate having the departments
09:16:42 in there.
09:16:43 So that's my comment on that.
09:16:46 >>SHAWN HARRISON: Madam Chair, I also understand that
09:16:48 that will free up some space that the parks employees
09:16:53 at the zoo are occupying which would now give the zoo
09:16:56 the potential ability to move across North Boulevard
09:16:59 and expand there.
09:17:02 Verizon.
09:17:02 So that is a good thing.
09:17:05 >>GWEN MILLER: The park at the corner that's on Tampa
09:17:08 street, and what's that that comes down there, Scott?
09:17:11 They are going to move that building.
09:17:18 >>MARY ALVAREZ: Also, there might be a possibility to
09:17:20 put a community room in there for the West Tampa
09:17:23 community.
09:17:23 They don't have one per se.
09:17:24 And also I was talking to the mayor to see if maybe we
09:17:28 could put in just a minute payment center.
09:17:37 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Before we get to Shirley, I was

09:17:39 just curious.
09:17:40 Well, more than curious.
09:17:42 I'd like to take a second to thank all the applicants.
09:17:48 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Yes.
09:17:49 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: And I imagine some other council
09:17:51 people would.
09:17:52 But for number 47 I'm disappointed.
09:17:57 [ Laughter ]
09:17:57 But, you know, I'll tell you what, I'm sure I can
09:18:01 speak for all of council, and Tuesday morning it was
09:18:07 amazing to hear the -- you folks who want to serve
09:18:12 with us.
09:18:13 It was such an honor to me and to council that you
09:18:17 want to come up here and spend your time and serve the
09:18:21 city like that.
09:18:22 And there's just some great people.
09:18:26 And I said this to somebody in jest, I wish we could
09:18:29 give each of you three days or a week each to serve
09:18:31 with us, because there's no good way to do this.
09:18:36 And I know that you all have to a bide by our
09:18:42 difficult decision but thank you for applying.
09:18:45 >>GWEN MILLER: I was going to say at the end to thank

09:18:47 everyone who applied for the seat.
09:18:49 We have some very good candidates.
09:18:51 And I know I would like to see everyone that came up
09:18:57 here, too.
09:18:58 But involved with government is what we need.
09:19:00 There's just some great people.
09:19:02 It's going to be a hard decision.
09:19:03 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I echo those thoughts.
09:19:06 The quality of the dedication from civic activities to
09:19:10 professional accomplishments to energy that you all
09:19:15 have directed towards this community is so impressive,
09:19:18 and having served on council a long time, I can tell
09:19:21 you that the quality is ratcheting up and it's
09:19:26 exciting to see it.
09:19:27 Thank you for your interest in this.
09:19:29 And perhaps in the future those of you who are not
09:19:31 currently serving on different boards and commissions,
09:19:33 if you are not going to take the place on council, or
09:19:36 even if you are, that you will consider additional
09:19:38 public service.
09:19:39 Because Tampa benefits from your talent.
09:19:42 Thank you.

09:19:42 >>MARY ALVAREZ: I want to echo the same thing.
09:19:47 I was so impressed with the quality, too, of the
09:19:50 qualifications of people that came up to talk to us.
09:19:53 And I would have been proud to serve right next to any
09:19:56 one of you all.
09:19:58 It would have been my pleasure.
09:20:00 So please don't feel that this is a slight to anybody.
09:20:04 It's just that we have to pick one.
09:20:09 But like Linda says, try again for other public
09:20:13 services, or even City Council come March and try
09:20:18 again.
09:20:19 But don't feel like you're not qualified, because
09:20:22 you're way above qualified.
09:20:25 And I want to -- and I appreciate the people that came
09:20:32 up here and talked to us.
09:20:33 I would have been proud.
09:20:35 >>SHAWN HARRISON: With 52 applicants it means one of
09:20:37 two things.
09:20:38 Either we are really doing something right and people
09:20:40 want to join us or we are really doing something wrong
09:20:43 and people want to tan a new direction.
09:20:45 So that was an interesting aspect that we had so many

09:20:49 people.
09:20:50 None of us expected that.
09:20:51 And what my colleagues said is really right.
09:20:55 Everybody who has applied is a very deserving
09:20:58 applicant.
09:21:00 You all have represented different aspects of your
09:21:02 community very well.
09:21:04 And we would hope that that will continue in the
09:21:07 future.
09:21:07 >>GWEN MILLER: Ms. Shirley Foxx-Knowles.
09:21:14 >>SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES: Madam Chair, council.
09:21:15 We have a tie.
09:21:17 Two individuals receiving two votes each.
09:21:20 They would include Charles "chip" Fletcher and Seth
09:21:27 Robert Nelson.
09:21:28 There was one other individual that received one vote
09:21:30 and that was Julie Harris.
09:21:34 So we can have a second ballot.
09:21:39 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Point of order.
09:21:42 Mr. Shelby, is it just the top two?
09:21:46 Is that the way our rules work?
09:21:49 >>MARTIN SHELBY: That's correct.

09:21:50 In the event no applicant receives the requisite three
09:21:52 votes, only the applicants receiving the greatest or
09:21:56 equal number of votes shall be eligible for another
09:21:59 ballot.
09:22:00 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I'm feeling nervous.
09:22:51 >>GWEN MILLER: While we are waiting for that count we
09:22:53 will move ahead on.
09:22:55 Any other items to pull from the agenda?
09:22:57 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Not that I want to pull for
09:22:59 explanation but I would like to comment upon.
09:23:00 >>GWEN MILLER: Okay.
09:23:01 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Under Ms. Alvarez committee number
09:23:05 14 which is a commitment of capital improvement money
09:23:08 for Kennedy Boulevard.
09:23:09 I'm very pleased we are doing that.
09:23:11 And number 17, our Parks Department successfully
09:23:16 secured a grant from the state to improve the Sulphur
09:23:18 Springs gazebo and the park around the water tower.
09:23:22 And I know they have been really eager to move ahead
09:23:27 and I am pleased we worked out an agreement with the
09:23:29 department of transportation, to send the money to the
09:23:32 interstate and it's going to be excellent for Sulphur

09:23:34 Springs.
09:23:35 >>GWEN MILLER: Anything else?
09:23:36 Can I get a motion to approve the agenda?
09:23:38 >> So moved.
09:23:39 >> Second.
09:23:39 (Motion carried).
09:23:40 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Were you pulling the item?
09:23:48 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: In a, just commenting on it.
09:23:50 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I just wanted to pull and discuss
09:23:52 the Kennedy one.
09:23:54 Just for clarification.
09:23:55 I misunderstood what you were doing.
09:23:58 >>GWEN MILLER: Item 14?
09:24:01 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I can just ask her informally if
09:24:04 you like.
09:24:06 The only thing I didn't understand was, is this the
09:24:08 ongoing expense of $600,000?
09:24:11 Or is this the one-time --
09:24:14 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: No, what it is, we worked out a
09:24:16 cooperative agreement with the department of
09:24:17 transportation.
09:24:17 They are doing things like cutting a hole in the

09:24:20 cement.
09:24:23 It's a cooperative --
09:24:27 >> It looks really nice as it's coming along.
09:24:29 Do you know what the annual maintenance is going to be
09:24:32 on that?
09:24:32 Do we already approve that?
09:24:34 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: For one thing, there's irrigation
09:24:36 so we, for the medians: I don't know.
09:24:44 >>CHAIRMAN: Is that expansion --
09:24:46 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: That's fine.
09:24:46 >>GWEN MILLER: We go to item number 2.
09:24:51 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I'm sorry, was there a motion to
09:24:52 approve the agenda?
09:24:54 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Yes, it's already approved.
09:24:57 >>MARTIN SHELBY: When Ms. Foxx-Knowles comes back,
09:25:00 like I said to you, your ballots are public records,
09:25:03 not secret ballots.
09:25:04 Although council members did not specifically request,
09:25:08 we did have a request from a member of the press to
09:25:10 announce how each individual council member voted.
09:25:13 And it would be appropriate for the clerk to make that
09:25:15 announcement being how that is a public record.

09:25:21 >> What does it matter?
09:25:22 We have already voted.
09:25:23 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Is it something they could look at
09:25:25 afterwards?
09:25:26 It's all available.
09:25:27 It's a matter of public record.
09:25:29 >>MARTIN SHELBY: They can choose to do that.
09:25:31 Obviously council could have asked the clerk to make
09:25:33 the announcement as it was individually and chose not
09:25:36 to.
09:25:37 However, I just wanted to bring it to your attention
09:25:39 that a member of the press has requested that
09:25:40 information be made public.
09:25:42 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Sure.
09:25:44 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I think it is public.
09:25:48 And I just think that we need to speed things along.
09:25:53 The clerk will have it totally available and
09:25:56 tabulated.
09:25:56 It's all public record under the sunshine.
09:26:02 >>SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES: The new interim council member
09:26:14 is Charles "chip" Fletcher, receiving three votes from
09:26:18 Alvarez, Miller and Saul-Sena.

09:26:22 Seth Nelson received votes from Harrison and
09:26:27 Dingfelder.
09:26:29 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Congratulations.
09:26:30 [ Applause ]
09:26:34 Chip, do you want to say something?
09:26:36 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: While he's coming up we have to
09:26:44 congratulate everyone who put their names in.
09:26:46 What a talented group.
09:26:48 >>> Good morning.
09:26:49 Thank you so much for your support.
09:26:51 As I had indicated on Tuesday, you are a great council
09:26:57 and I am really honored to have been selected to serve
09:26:59 with you.
09:27:00 Especially from such an outstanding field.
09:27:03 I'm just very honored to have had your support and
09:27:08 your trust to serve in this post.
09:27:10 Thank you very much.
09:27:13 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Congratulations.
09:27:17 >>GWEN MILLER: Are you ready for district 5?
09:27:24 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I want to say something before
09:28:15 Shirley announces who the votes are.
09:28:18 Should I do it now?

09:28:19 69 yes.
09:28:19 >> I just wanted to share with everyone, let my fellow
09:28:22 colleagues know, that I had asked, when we developed
09:28:26 this process for voting, that I had originally asked
09:28:31 that we exclude people who are running for office, and
09:28:34 my colleagues didn't go along with that.
09:28:36 So I asked that it be part of the application process.
09:28:40 And we have some extremely gifted and talented people
09:28:45 who applied who are also running for office.
09:28:47 But personally, I'm not supporting anyone who is
09:28:50 running for office because as one of the previous
09:28:52 candidates said, I think it gives them an additional
09:28:56 advantage in the sense of incumbency, and I have been
09:29:01 consistent in this.
09:29:01 So I wanted to share that.
09:29:03 I figured you all knew that because I made such a
09:29:05 point of it the first time around and tried to say you
09:29:07 couldn't run if you were indeed throwing your hat in
09:29:10 the ring.
09:29:11 But I got outvoted.
09:29:13 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Madam Chair, it's funny that you
09:29:17 mention that because I was going to say exactly the

09:29:18 same thing because I felt the same way and you and I
09:29:21 have both been in the newspaper with that position.
09:29:25 I don't know, depending on how the votes go and how
09:29:28 the candidates move on, it might not be possible.
09:29:30 But at least on a preliminary basis, that's my
09:29:35 weigh-in as well.
09:29:38 >>SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES: Council, no one received more
09:30:15 than one vote.
09:30:19 [ Laughter ]
09:30:24 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: With six candidates?
09:30:29 Do you want an announcement of who voted?
09:30:32 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Yes.
09:30:33 Oh, no, it doesn't have to be who voted.
09:30:34 >>GWEN MILLER: We are just going to vote again.
09:30:37 >>SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES: Lynette judge.
09:30:39 Beverly Morrow.
09:30:42 Frank Reddick.
09:30:44 Joe Robinson.
09:30:45 Chester White.
09:30:48 >>SHAWN HARRISON: This could potentially take a long
09:31:11 time.

09:31:11 And I would suggest that after this round, we might
09:31:19 want to sort of talk amongst ourselves of course out
09:31:22 here in the sunshine, but why we think we ought to
09:31:25 continue to narrow it down to individual candidates.
09:31:29 So we can still end up with five single votes here, I
09:31:33 suppose.
09:31:36 >> I agree.
09:32:13 Ms. Moreda, are you leaving?
09:32:14 Is your report long or short?
09:32:16 >>GLORIA MOREDA: It's not very long.
09:32:20 >>GWEN MILLER: Do you think you can do it while she's
09:32:24 counting?
09:32:25 >>GLORIA MOREDA: Sure.
09:32:27 Land development.
09:32:28 Mr. Dingfelder requested a meeting with the
09:32:31 representatives of the building associations and
09:32:33 T.H.A.N. association.
09:32:37 To go over some of the concerns that they had related
09:32:39 to the projection of the front porches, the front
09:32:42 yard.
09:32:44 The code was amended recently to allow for an 8 foot
09:32:48 projection.

09:32:50 The neighborhood association was very concerned saying
09:32:52 that they felt that was a very large projection and
09:32:56 out of character with many neighborhoods.
09:32:58 What I have handed out just now are I think a
09:33:04 compromise in that group that established additional
09:33:06 standards for the design of the porch that would be
09:33:10 projecting into the front yards in the RN district and
09:33:16 RS-50 district.
09:33:18 Within the RS 06 district the neighborhood association
09:33:20 said they would only feel comfortable if it was an
09:33:24 administrative variance process, so at that point
09:33:27 people would be notified and could express their
09:33:30 concerns.
09:33:33 Under the RS-75, 100 and 150 since the lots are
09:33:38 larger, they felt the front porch should be designed
09:33:44 with the main structure setback, and at that point we
09:33:48 drafted the proposed change to the code.
09:33:51 If council is agreeable we can include this in the
09:33:53 January cycle.
09:33:56 >>GWEN MILLER: Any questions by council members?
09:33:58 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Just a comment.
09:34:02 Thanks for working on this so diligently with me and

09:34:06 my staff and with the community.
09:34:12 This seemed to me like an easier one in the beginning
09:34:15 but it ended up being a little contentious.
09:34:18 Sometimes that's the way things are.
09:34:20 But we got together and I thought we had a great
09:34:22 meeting.
09:34:22 And you never make everybody happy but I think
09:34:29 everybody felt pretty good about it so I'm happy we
09:34:32 can move this on.
09:34:33 What do we need to move it on, Planning Commission?
09:34:37 >>GLORIA MOREDA: Well, since now the code indicates
09:34:39 that you can there will be a January cycle.
09:34:45 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I move that we put it into the
09:34:47 cycle as amended by Ms. Moreda today.
09:34:51 >>GWEN MILLER: We have a motion and second.
09:34:52 (Motion carried)
09:35:06 The next item, item number 3.
09:35:07 Is transportation here?
09:35:15 Is Abbye Feeley here?
09:35:21 Transportation?
09:35:22 >>GLORIA MOREDA: Land development.
09:35:24 I'm sorry.

09:35:25 You were asking for item 3?
09:35:27 >>GWEN MILLER: Yes.
09:35:28 >>GLORIA MOREDA: Construction staging issues have been
09:35:31 a concern for the administration for a number of
09:35:33 months now.
09:35:34 And Land Development Coordination is looking at the
09:35:38 issue and working with transportation at this point.
09:35:44 Mr. LaMotte can answer any questions, but we are
09:35:48 taking a look at the issue and possibly looking for
09:35:54 procedures that can be followed in the development of
09:35:56 large projects.
09:36:05 >>ROY LAMOTTE: Transportation manager.
09:36:09 We are here to continue to work through and take a
09:36:11 look at the past projects that have caused pain in the
09:36:16 city but again as we move forward and hopefully have
09:36:19 more improved development, our issues here are to
09:36:22 continue to look at this from a professional
09:36:24 standpoint in handling the maintenance of traffic, the
09:36:27 permitting and trying to relate that to again issues
09:36:31 in the right-of-way for staging, the parking issues
09:36:36 that take place on the street.
09:36:37 But we would work these out in abeyance and work

09:36:40 cooperatively with our land use.
09:36:43 In addition to that, we think we want to look at lane
09:36:47 closures or anything that relates to detours
09:36:49 surrounding such projects, because we know it has
09:36:52 tremendous impact on the surrounding neighborhood.
09:36:54 Now, we know we have experience down on lower Bayshore
09:36:58 as well as what happened in Channelside and we are
09:37:01 going to continue to look at how we can improve the
09:37:03 methods.
09:37:03 But again we are going to use it through professional
09:37:07 staff review.
09:37:08 And we have also considered some of our staff to be
09:37:12 able to administer problems that relate to
09:37:15 right-of-way.
09:37:15 We haven't had that peak as an issue before but in
09:37:21 discussion was legal we think this is a method we can
09:37:23 utilize.
09:37:24 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I think in the discussion the last
09:37:27 time, Roy, there was an emphasis on not just informing
09:37:32 neighborhoods, but getting neighborhoods a little more
09:37:37 involved in a process.
09:37:41 And I would say especially when a lane is going to be

09:37:45 closed for months, you know, and it might impact the
09:37:48 neighborhood.
09:37:49 You know, obviously, if it's just for a week, or week
09:37:52 or two or something like that, you know, it's not that
09:37:55 big a deal.
09:37:56 But obviously, clearly on some of these larger
09:38:00 projects, you know, the closures can be much more
09:38:03 lengthy, and therefore burdensome.
09:38:06 So is that council's recollection as well?
09:38:13 >>ROY LAMOTTE: We understand that.
09:38:14 We will be working with the community neighborhood
09:38:16 relations and Ms. Shannon Edge to get the word out
09:38:19 with the president, also meet with the neighborhood in
09:38:23 advance to try to explain to them.
09:38:27 We think it still needs to remain in the professional
09:38:30 arena how traffic needs to be circulated throughout
09:38:33 the area.
09:38:34 I agree, any notification of long-term impact should
09:38:37 be discussed with the neighborhood.
09:38:38 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: The other question I have is
09:38:43 related to this, and that is, when the construction
09:38:48 project falls for whatever reason, have we gone back

09:38:51 and examined at what point we make people move their
09:38:56 barriers away?
09:38:57 >>ROY LAMOTTE: Again, each project is taken on a
09:38:59 case-by-case basis.
09:39:00 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Well, for example, the Trump Tower.
09:39:05 >>> Yes.
09:39:06 >> Have we been seeing whether there's progress and
09:39:10 whether they should perhaps move their barriers back?
09:39:13 >>> Well, we continue to work again with land
09:39:15 development on the issue.
09:39:16 As far as moving the barriers back, it depends on the
09:39:18 level of delay and the expense at the time that
09:39:22 results -- in particular on the Trump Tower issue.
09:39:25 This is one that we just looked into recently.
09:39:29 They haven't made the decision to move them back at
09:39:31 this moment in time, but we need road repair as well.
09:39:35 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Just maybe as a follow-up.
09:39:45 >>MARY ALVAREZ: It seems to me that we want progress.
09:39:51 We are going to have delays, you know.
09:39:53 And we need the neighborhood to realize that we have
09:39:57 projects like townhouses and condos and things like
09:40:00 that, you are going to have staging areas and you are

09:40:02 going to need to have construction worker parking.
09:40:05 We have to be a little bit more patient with the
09:40:08 transportation department, and with the other
09:40:12 departments that have the oversight.
09:40:17 And I understand that it could be, you know, it could
09:40:19 take months.
09:40:21 But they have got to be a little patient.
09:40:24 The barriers can't be moved overnight like that.
09:40:26 I'm sure they can, but they just have to be a little
09:40:31 patient.
09:40:32 Progress is disruptive.
09:40:35 That's all I have to say about it.
09:40:39 I appreciate that you guys are working on this, you
09:40:40 know.
09:40:41 But I don't know, unless you put a staging area maybe
09:40:44 two or three blocks away, that's not going to help
09:40:47 these projects that's going up.
09:40:48 >>GLORIA MOREDA: I just wanted to indicate that we are
09:40:51 drafting language for the code that deals with what
09:40:55 types of review have to be done prior to the issuance
09:40:58 of the permits.
09:40:59 That is being worked on.

09:41:01 We have only now told the building association of the
09:41:05 proposed change to the code.
09:41:07 And so we are in the middle of work shopping.
09:41:10 The issue, the site becomes abandoned for awhile,
09:41:14 that's something that we can look at.
09:41:16 I will discuss it with Mr. Barrio for suggestions on
09:41:23 how to teal with that.
09:41:24 I think essentially you are correct, this is causing a
09:41:26 traffic issue, if something can be done for an
09:41:30 extended period of time.
09:41:31 But that is what we are working on.
09:41:33 And I have a feeling it's probably going to be the
09:41:35 July cycle for the amendments to chapter 27 that this
09:41:38 will be coming forward.
09:41:41 >>GWEN MILLER: You did say that the neighbors are
09:41:43 contacted before they put the staging up there?
09:41:46 Do they know they are going to be put there?
09:41:54 >>GLORIA MOREDA: Well, I think what the requirements
09:41:58 are going to be in place are going to involve probably
09:42:03 notifying the neighborhood, if there is going to be
09:42:05 some type of transportation mitigation plan, because
09:42:09 of the use of the right-of-way.

09:42:11 But are we going to be soliciting comments from the
09:42:14 neighborhood on that plan?
09:42:16 No.
09:42:16 >>GWEN MILLER: Not comments but -- just notification,
09:42:20 let them know that we will be staging, that they will
09:42:24 be staging out there.
09:42:26 Not whether they want it or not.
09:42:28 But they should be notified, let them know what's
09:42:30 going on before it's put there.
09:42:32 >>GLORIA MOREDA: Okay.
09:42:33 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Just one other thing.
09:42:36 I respectfully disagree.
09:42:37 I think -- I agree at the end of the day the decision
09:42:41 should be a professional one made by staff, not by us,
09:42:47 made by staff, not bid neighborhood, as to what that
09:42:50 plan should be or what that permit should be,
09:42:52 et cetera.
09:42:53 But like I said before, if it's going to be a lengthy
09:42:56 closure that has an impact to the neighborhood, I'll
09:43:00 leave in the your hands to figure it out, I think
09:43:03 there should be advance notice to the neighborhood to
09:43:05 allow for comment.

09:43:06 It's just like with the NEPA project with the federal
09:43:12 government, if you have a major environmental impact
09:43:14 you send the request out to the community or send the
09:43:18 information out to the community and ask you for
09:43:20 feedback back, and then you make your decision based
09:43:22 upon your professionalism and the comments you receive
09:43:26 back.
09:43:27 So you all work on it, bring it back to us.
09:43:30 But that's the way I feel.
09:43:34 >>GWEN MILLER: Any other comments by council members?
09:43:37 Thank you.
09:43:37 Item number 4.
09:43:42 >>REBECCA KERT: Legal department.
09:43:43 I'm here to provide a report regarding City Council's
09:43:47 requirement to work with the county attorney's office.
09:43:54 It was a productive meeting.
09:43:55 The county is committed, as well as the city, to work
09:43:58 together to come up with an ordinance that will not
09:44:01 have negative impact on the other jurisdiction.
09:44:03 We are going to continue to work with that to bring
09:44:04 back an ordinance to you for your review.
09:44:11 >>SHAWN HARRISON: Thank you, Madam Chair.

09:44:13 And thank you, Rebecca.
09:44:14 I appreciate your efforts in taking the lead on this.
09:44:18 The county has agreed -- I think, anyway -- what we
09:44:23 are working on is we are both going to pass an
09:44:25 ordinance that's if not identical very close to
09:44:28 identical so we are not creating problems for them and
09:44:30 they are not for us.
09:44:31 We also want to make sure that we are not creating
09:44:33 problems for Temple Terrace and Plant City.
09:44:36 So at some point I am sure they will want tone gauge
09:44:42 in this discussion as well and hopefully have
09:44:44 something uniform throughout the county.
09:44:45 Rebecca, from a logistics standpoint, it seems to me
09:44:50 like we have got to get everybody sort of on the same
09:44:52 page with one draft ordinance, so that we have got
09:44:56 something to take to TPD and the administration, the
09:44:58 county has got something they can take to David gee,
09:45:02 and begin getting the professional feedback.
09:45:05 So what I would ask my colleagues to support me on
09:45:08 would be in two weeks, let's have a draft ordinance
09:45:13 proposed and ready to go to council so that we can all
09:45:16 look at sort of the final version of what our thinking

09:45:21 is, and we can then, you know, over the holidays, that
09:45:24 can go to TPD, we can get their input, and then in
09:45:27 January, hopefully we'll be ready to pass it.
09:45:31 At least for public hearing.
09:45:32 That would be my motion.
09:45:33 Two weeks we come back with your best efforts on a
09:45:37 draft ordinance.
09:45:37 >>MARY ALVAREZ: I like that.
09:45:42 (Motion Carried).
09:45:42 >>GWEN MILLER: Item 5.
09:45:45 Cindy Miller.
09:45:47 >> Cindy Miller, director of growth management and
09:45:50 development services.
09:45:51 You had asked for a written report regarding the
09:45:52 status of the agreement between the petitioner and
09:45:55 West Tampa CDC.
09:45:59 >>MARY ALVAREZ: But you have been busy.
09:46:02 >>> It's not that.
09:46:03 I did ask for a continuance of 30 days.
09:46:06 >>MARY ALVAREZ: So moved.
09:46:07 >> Second.
09:46:08 (Motion carried).

09:46:08 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Ms. Miller, are you going to stick
09:46:14 around and speak about the -- okay.
09:46:16 >>GWEN MILLER: Do you want to speak about it now?
09:46:19 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: The what?
09:46:21 >>GWEN MILLER: GTE building.
09:46:23 >>SHAWN HARRISON: And in particular, in the back row,
09:46:29 I think he would like to know what about the zoo.
09:46:35 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Is Ms. Fox Miller ready?
09:46:42 >> In a.
09:46:43 >> Basically you have two items on the agenda that
09:46:45 deal with a building that the City of Tampa wishes to
09:46:47 acquire two -- have the parks and recreation
09:46:53 administrative offices and a few other offices
09:46:55 relocate into.
09:46:57 The building is located at 3402 west Columbus drive in
09:47:00 West Tampa.
09:47:01 It is a building that that includes furniture,
09:47:07 fixtures and equipment.
09:47:08 The acquisition price is less than the appraisal that
09:47:12 the city obtained for both the building and for the
09:47:15 furniture and fixtures.
09:47:16 When it comes to the relocation of parks and

09:47:18 recreation employees, it will include employees from
09:47:22 the building, the north part of downtown, all of the
09:47:26 employees there will relocate.
09:47:27 It will also include administrative and a few other
09:47:29 employees from the Lowry Park area.
09:47:32 It does not at this point include any relocation of
09:47:34 the maintenance and those other employees and
09:47:39 facilities in that area.
09:47:42 But we will continue to work, especially our real
09:47:46 estate division, to see if there are other
09:47:48 alternatives for relocation in the future.
09:47:49 I think best part about this is it's a first step,
09:47:52 first of all for the employees relocating from the
09:47:54 north downtown area.
09:47:59 This will free basically a city block and that's a
09:48:01 wonderful opportunity for that portion of downtown.
09:48:03 It will also put, along with parks and recreation,
09:48:05 utility accounting, and the fire marshal's office into
09:48:10 West Tampa.
09:48:11 And what a wonderful opportunity for West Tampa and
09:48:14 surrounding small businesses.
09:48:16 You're talking about 100 to 110 employees that will be

09:48:19 actively in that area during the day, into the
09:48:23 evening, having meetings.
09:48:25 So it's a great opportunity, I think, as well for both
09:48:28 the West Tampa area as well as the downtown area.
09:48:32 >>MARY ALVAREZ: Ms. Miller, does that include the
09:48:35 parking lot behind it?
09:48:37 >>> Behind the --
09:48:38 >> Behind the GTE?
09:48:40 >>> Yes.
09:48:40 It includes a parking lot which has approximately 175
09:48:45 parking spaces.
09:48:47 >> Great.
09:48:47 >>> That's a key, too, to be sure both the employees
09:48:50 and anyone with the business building that there is
09:48:52 adequate parking for them.
09:48:54 And that has been evaluated.
09:48:55 >> Also, I wanted to ask you, could you look into the
09:48:59 possibility of putting a payment center there for
09:49:04 utilities?
09:49:04 Not just the water, but for the TECO payments.
09:49:08 You know, we used to have that at the drugstore on
09:49:12 Howard Avenue and the neighbors in that area were

09:49:14 really upset when that payment center went.
09:49:17 So if there's a possibility that you could look into
09:49:19 that, I would really appreciate that.
09:49:21 >>> We'll look into that.
09:49:23 I work with revenue and finance and hopefully be able
09:49:25 to have some alternatives.
09:49:27 >>SHAWN HARRISON: Thank you for the report.
09:49:30 Good news that at lowest we are moving towards
09:49:32 relocating our facilities so that the zoo can expand.
09:49:37 Have we given any thought to the idea of moving the
09:49:41 maintenance facilities over to the old area just south
09:49:49 of the dog track where we have got that huge sea of
09:49:52 asphalt that's completely unused?
09:49:57 I think the city has some ownership interest because
09:49:59 we park some of our own vehicles there, I assume.
09:50:02 >>> Most of the parking locality you see -- and I am
09:50:07 very familiar with area, across from the dog track,
09:50:12 most is owned by private ownership.
09:50:16 As a matter of fact, if you look at the aerial you can
09:50:17 see the parking spaces that the city owns which are
09:50:19 really just the first couple of roads adjacent to
09:50:21 Sulphur Springs pool.

09:50:23 And where you see our vehicles parked which I believe
09:50:26 is what used to be a gas station in previous years, we
09:50:30 lease that from the owner.
09:50:32 So we do not own that parcel.
09:50:33 We only own the immediately adjacent parking area.
09:50:36 So, unfortunately, that is at this point not an
09:50:40 option.
09:50:43 >>> Maybe this is something we can take up about
09:50:47 helping the city pay to lease that which would maybe
09:50:49 free up the space where the zoo is.
09:50:52 Because I know that they are anxiously trying to
09:50:55 acquire the rest of that property there so they can
09:50:57 expand.
09:51:02 The second thing is the utility.
09:51:03 If we are going to be moving the utility accounting
09:51:05 department is that the same utility accounting
09:51:07 department that's on the first floor of this building?
09:51:11 >>> It is.
09:51:11 Mr. Harrison, frankly, I have a very personal interest
09:51:13 in this.
09:51:16 With utility accounting relocating, there is an entire
09:51:19 Domino effect.

09:51:21 And it gets very personal when you get to the bottom
09:51:23 of the Domino pile.
09:51:24 Human resources to would be relocated so that everyone
09:51:27 could be occupying in this building for anything
09:51:31 that's human resources.
09:51:33 We right now have folks coming for job applications.
09:51:35 This would relocate human resources from the 7th
09:51:38 floor into this building.
09:51:39 Purchasing would then move to the 7th floor where
09:51:41 HR is now located in our adjacent building.
09:51:44 Urban development, my brother department, would be
09:51:48 expanding to where purchasing is.
09:51:49 Very frankly, with urban development relocating, I can
09:51:54 expand my staff area on the second floor.
09:51:56 And right now, I have staff gathered all over the
09:52:00 place with our urban design area, as well as -- I was
09:52:08 very happy they reinstated some of my staffing in the
09:52:11 budget this year.
09:52:12 Frankly, I don't have a place to put them.
09:52:15 So if we can have all of these Dominos work if we have
09:52:21 adequate space for our staff.
09:52:23 >>SHAWN HARRISON: My own thought -- and I have raised

09:52:26 this before -- if we are going to look out for human
09:52:30 resources, we ought to look out for the human
09:52:32 resources of citizens who come to this building and
09:52:37 put some cafeteria or snack bars like they do in the
09:52:41 county.
09:52:42 If you are coming in here and you are going to sit
09:52:44 here all anytime for a zoning hearing or all morning,
09:52:46 you all have the abilities to go downstairs and get a
09:52:49 cup of coffee and stretch your legs out and not have
09:52:51 to worry about missing your called hearing.
09:52:56 So I know I'm probably not going to go anywhere with
09:52:59 this.
09:53:00 It's my own thought.
09:53:02 It just seems like we ought to serve the public.
09:53:04 >>MARY ALVAREZ: Do you want a Starbuck's in there?
09:53:08 Is that what you want?
09:53:09 [ Laughter ]
09:53:10 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Contact Division of Blind Services
09:53:12 because they do -- they do that sort of thing in
09:53:16 government buildings and they might be interested.
09:53:18 >>SHAWN HARRISON: We have to make the space available
09:53:20 for them first and I don't know that we are willing to

09:53:22 do that.
09:53:25 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Remember how small the space was,
09:53:27 like a little closet.
09:53:33 >>MARY ALVAREZ: In the elevator.
09:53:36 >>GWEN MILLER: Is Abbye Feeley here?
09:53:38 >>ABBYE FEELEY: Land Development Coordination.
09:53:43 I wanted to come before you this morning.
09:53:46 On October 26th, you have set a zoning hearing for
09:53:51 case VO 6-131 and there was a typo in the application
09:53:56 that was published.
09:54:00 By the city.
09:54:01 So it's misnoticed.
09:54:04 I wanted to come before you and ask for consideration
09:54:06 for that case to be rescheduled for January 11th.
09:54:11 >>MARTIN SHELBY: We are going to have to hold that.
09:54:13 >>GWEN MILLER: Hold it a minute.
09:54:22 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Where is chip when we need him?
09:54:24 We need to swear him in and get him going.
09:54:36 >>MARTIN SHELBY: If we can, Madam Chair, take roll
09:54:44 call again, please.
09:54:46 >>GWEN MILLER: Roll call.
09:54:50 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Here.

09:54:53 >>SHAWN HARRISON: Here.
09:54:55 >>GWEN MILLER: Here.
09:54:56 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I keep forgetting I'm here because
09:54:58 I switched seats.
09:55:03 >>CHAIRMAN: You wanted January 11th at one time?
09:55:07 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: So moved.
09:55:08 >> Second.
09:55:11 (Motion Carried).
09:55:11 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Point of order.
09:55:13 It appears on this district 5 seat we are sort of
09:55:16 stuck on a procedural issue.
09:55:18 So just for the sake of moving things along, I'm going
09:55:20 to make a motion that Ms. Foxx-Knowles goes ahead and
09:55:25 announce the votes and who voted for persons at this
09:55:28 round.
09:55:29 And if that's what's holding things up, let's get it
09:55:32 going and be done with it.
09:55:33 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Hear hear.
09:55:36 >>MARTIN SHELBY: That motion is in order.
09:55:39 >> Second.
09:55:39 (Motion carried)
09:55:39 >>SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES: in district 5, Miller voted

09:56:00 for Lynette judge.
09:56:03 Saul-Sena voted for Beverly Morrow. Alvarez voted for
09:56:08 Frank Reddick.
09:56:10 Shawn Harrison voted for Joe Robinson.
09:56:13 Dingfelder voted for Chester White.
09:56:16 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: That was in the first round.
09:56:17 Was that the second round or the first?
09:56:25 >>GWEN MILLER: No, that was the second round.
09:56:28 >>SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES: No one received, in the second
09:56:36 round, no one received three votes.
09:56:40 Chester White was eliminated.
09:56:46 Miller voted for Lynette judge.
09:56:48 Linda Saul-Sena voted for Beverly Morrow.
09:56:52 Alvarez and Dingfelder voted for frank Reddick.
09:56:57 And Harrison voted for Joe Robinson.
09:57:02 >>SHAWN HARRISON: Would it be appropriate for us to
09:57:04 start discussing and see if we can move everybody in a
09:57:09 single direction?
09:57:11 >> Good idea.
09:57:13 >>SHAWN HARRISON: Madam Chair, just to follow up on
09:57:15 what my colleagues said about folks who are going to
09:57:18 be on the ballot.

09:57:21 We have qualified people who are applying for this
09:57:24 position.
09:57:25 But two of them are very clearly saying they are going
09:57:28 to be on the ballot.
09:57:30 And in order for us to not give an unfair advantage to
09:57:33 anyone, I would encourage my colleagues to not support
09:57:38 someone who has indicated they are going to be on the
09:57:40 ballot, and there's nothing other than just that fact,
09:57:44 just so we can move this along.
09:57:46 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Who are the people?
09:57:50 Could you remind us?
09:57:52 Ms. Foxx-Knowles, do you know what people are going to
09:57:56 be on the ballot?
09:57:59 >>SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES: I'm not sure but I believe Mr.
09:58:00 Reddick and probably Ms. Judge.
09:58:03 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Are on the ballot.
09:58:05 And Ms. Morrow and Mr. Robinson indicate on their form
09:58:08 that they are not going to be on the ballot.
09:58:13 >>GWEN MILLER: Mr. Dingfelder.
09:58:14 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Mr. Harrison, as I stated at the
09:58:16 beginning of this, in the first round, that's the way
09:58:19 I felt.

09:58:20 But then we have five people with one vote so I
09:58:23 figured we have to get this thing moving.
09:58:24 So then I'm straying from my principles.
09:58:29 And that's how I ended up with Mr. Reddick.
09:58:36 But in this group there weren't that many candidates
09:58:38 to start with.
09:58:39 There were only six as compared to, you know,
09:58:42 40-something.
09:58:43 And out of those six, you know, more than half of the
09:58:46 six were running or had indicated they were going to
09:58:50 run or that sort of thing.
09:58:51 It's a slightly different ballgame on this one.
09:58:54 So I felt comfortable going with Mr. Reddick in this
09:58:56 round.
09:58:57 And that's why I did.
09:58:58 >>GWEN MILLER: Try a vote one more time and see how it
09:59:04 comes out.
09:59:08 >>GWEN MILLER: Okay.
10:00:11 Is there anyone in the public that would like to ask
10:00:13 for reconsideration?
10:00:15 Is there anyone in the public that would like to speak
10:00:17 on any item on the agenda that is not set for a public

10:00:20 hearing?
10:00:30 >>> I would like to reserve, see what the vote is.
10:00:33 >>GWEN MILLER: if you would like to speak to any item.
10:00:38 >> This is the next item on the agenda.
10:00:43 9 would anyone else like to speak?
10:00:45 Anybody in the audience want top speak to any item on
10:00:47 the agenda not set for public hearing?
10:00:49 Okay, we are going to go to our item number 6, which
10:00:53 is ordinance for first reading.
10:00:54 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I would like to move the following
10:01:00 ordinance, and ordinance of the city of Tampa, Florida
10:01:02 amending City of Tampa code of ordinances chapter 5,
10:01:05 building code, section 5-113.2, appeals, by amending
10:01:09 the notice requirements for appeals taken from
10:01:11 decisions made by the Hillsborough County board of
10:01:13 adjustment, appeals and examiners, providing for
10:01:16 severability, providing for repeal of all ordinances
10:01:18 in conflict, providing an effective date.
10:01:21 >>GWEN MILLER: We have a motion and second.
10:01:23 Question on the motion.
10:01:28 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: for staff, the impact of this
10:01:30 ordinance.

10:01:31 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I believe Ms. Cole would be able to
10:01:34 address it.
10:01:34 The building code, this addresses the issue of the
10:01:37 notice requirements in the appeals, and Ms. Cole is
10:01:41 familiar with the procedural issues.
10:01:43 Just quickly.
10:01:43 >>JULIA COLE: Mr. Santiago is actually -- let me go.
10:01:49 He's right outside.
10:01:52 >>MARTIN SHELBY: The upshot of it is the notice
10:01:57 requirement under the new amended appeal required very
10:02:03 different appeal, and the specific requirements in an
10:02:09 appeal such as this.
10:02:10 Mr. Santiago, maybe you can do more.
10:02:13 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Just 30 seconds, why are we doing
10:02:15 this?
10:02:16 >>> We are doing it to make chapter 5 consistent with
10:02:19 the chapter 27 process.
10:02:22 The appeals that come to you, we listed all the
10:02:24 chapters, and we missed chapter 5.
10:02:26 So the appeals process in chapter 5 was not in concert
10:02:30 with all the others which created an inconsistency,
10:02:33 this now merges them all, so all the appeals now have

10:02:36 the same notice requirements, time frame requirements.
10:02:39 It should make it uniform.
10:02:40 >>GWEN MILLER: We have a motion and second.
10:02:43 (Motion carried) Mr. Harrison.
10:02:50 >>SHAWN HARRISON: Number 7.
10:02:51 Move an ordinance of the city of Tampa, Florida
10:02:54 revising chapter 16, City of Tampa code of ordinances
10:02:57 amending section 16-26 tree trust fund established
10:03:00 repealing all ordinances or parts of ordinances in
10:03:03 conflict therewith, providing for severability,
10:03:06 providing an effective date.
10:03:07 >> I have a motion and second.
10:03:08 (Motion carried)
10:03:10 Number.
10:03:12 >> An ordinance authorizing an encroachment of an
10:03:17 existing architectural feature, steps, over a portion
10:03:21 of public right-of-way at the intersection of Moody
10:03:23 Avenue and west Horatio Avenue, in the City of Tampa,
10:03:28 Hillsborough County, as more particularly described
10:03:30 herein, subject to certain terms, covenants conditions
10:03:33 and agreement as more particularly described herein,
10:03:35 providing an effective date.

10:03:37 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Second.
10:03:38 (Motion carried).
10:03:40 >>GWEN MILLER: Ms. Knolls.
10:03:45 >>SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES: Council, good morning again.
10:03:48 For our third ballot, we have a tie.
10:03:53 Beverly Morrow and frank Reddick each received two
10:03:56 votes.
10:03:59 You want to know who voted again?
10:04:01 Okay.
10:04:02 Beverly Morrow received votes from Saul-Sena and
10:04:06 Alvarez.
10:04:07 Frank Reddick received votes from Miller and
10:04:09 Dingfelder.
10:04:10 And Joe Robinson received one vote from Harrison.
10:04:16 I have a fourth ballot.
10:04:21 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: The fourth ballot will just be
10:04:23 between Morrow and Reddick.
10:04:30 >>GWEN MILLER: Ms. Foxx-Knowles, you weren't here the
10:04:33 first time we voted for chairman and it took seven
10:04:35 ballots.
10:04:36 This is four.
10:04:37 We are just working our way through this.

10:04:39 >>GWEN MILLER: we are going to go to reports.
10:05:25 Public safety, vice chair, Mr. John Dingfelder.
10:05:30 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I'll move items 9 through 12.
10:05:33 >> Second.
10:05:33 >>GWEN MILLER: I have a motion and second.
10:05:35 (Motion carried)
10:05:37 Parks and recreation, Mary Alvarez.
10:05:48 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: The fire department is offering
10:05:50 scholarships.
10:05:50 This is a new and special thing they are doing.
10:05:52 I think they were here earlier this morning.
10:05:56 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Did you want top speak to it or are
10:05:58 you just here?
10:06:01 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Thank you.
10:06:02 Congratulations for doing that.
10:06:03 >>MARY ALVAREZ: Move items 13 through 17.
10:06:07 >> Second.
10:06:07 (Motion carried).
10:06:10 >>GWEN MILLER: Public works, Mr. John Dingfelder.
10:06:12 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I'll move items 18 through 22.
10:06:18 >> Second.
10:06:18 (Motion carried).

10:06:19 >>GWEN MILLER: Building and zoning, Ms. Linda
10:06:23 Saul-Sena.
10:06:23 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Move resolutions 23 through 25.
10:06:28 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Second.
10:06:29 (Motion carried).
10:06:29 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Oh, I had a question on 23.
10:06:40 It says CARA Davis as a member of the ARC southwest
10:06:48 quadrant.
10:06:49 >> I believe there have to be people from different
10:06:53 parts of the city and this person represented the
10:06:55 geographical.
10:06:57 It was a mayoral appointee.
10:07:00 >>MARTIN SHELBY: It was a council a appointee.
10:07:03 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I don't remember going through the
10:07:06 process.
10:07:06 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I don't either.
10:07:07 I thought it was a mayoral appointment.
10:07:13 >>THE CLERK: We have presented applications to council
10:07:16 prior to vacancies on the A.R.C.
10:07:18 CARA Davis made an application.
10:07:21 Council made a motion requesting that she be placed on
10:07:22 the board.

10:07:25 This is the resolution coming back.
10:07:26 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I believe that was September
10:07:32 21st, if I recall correctly.
10:07:34 The issue, as you know, there was transition was
10:07:37 getting who could be qualified for which boards, at
10:07:41 what time, which we worked out, and the process should
10:07:46 completely resolve itself by --
10:07:49 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I don't remember the name or
10:07:51 anything.
10:07:51 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: You probably weren't there.
10:07:57 >>MARTIN SHELBY: If any council member has an issue as
10:08:00 to this, we can hold it and bring you up to speed if
10:08:04 you have any questions.
10:08:07 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Why don't we hold it till this
10:08:09 evening?
10:08:10 I can bring it back tonight.
10:08:11 >>GWEN MILLER: John won't be back tonight.
10:08:16 >>MARY ALVAREZ: I'm fine with voting for this.
10:08:18 >>GWEN MILLER: Everyone is fine with it?
10:08:19 >>MARY ALVAREZ: If she gives three years of her life
10:08:24 for A.R.C., have at it.
10:08:27 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I'd like to be able to look at the

10:08:30 resume.
10:08:31 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I would like to withdraw my motion
10:08:33 to give us a little additional time to study this and
10:08:35 to continue this to our next council meeting.
10:08:38 >>GWEN MILLER: Which item is that?
10:08:41 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Second.
10:08:41 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Number 23.
10:08:43 >>GWEN MILLER: All in favor of that motion say Aye.
10:08:46 (Motion carried).
10:08:47 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Move 24 and 25.
10:08:52 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Move 24 and 25.
10:08:54 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Second.
10:08:55 (Motion carried).
10:08:56 >>GWEN MILLER: Building and zoning.
10:08:58 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I'd like to move resolutions 26
10:09:01 through 41.
10:09:04 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Second.
10:09:05 (Motion carried).
10:09:06 >>GWEN MILLER: Transportation, Mr. Shawn Harrison.
10:09:12 >>SHAWN HARRISON: Move 2 -- 42 through 44.
10:09:15 >> Second.
10:09:16 (Motion carried).

10:09:17 >>SHAWN HARRISON: Move to set new items 45 through 55.
10:09:22 >> Second.
10:09:22 (Motion carried).
10:09:26 >> I would like to comment on item 44, which is the
10:09:35 animal walk with Ringling brothers.
10:09:38 Now we have Meridian street and a lot of construction
10:09:41 immediately where all the elephants walk.
10:09:45 It's going to be a very different visit than they had
10:09:48 previously.
10:09:49 >> They get to walk down Meridian?
10:09:52 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: There's a fence.
10:09:54 >>SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES: Council, we have a decision.
10:10:10 The interim council member for district 5 is Frank A.
10:10:14 Reddick.
10:10:15 He received four votes from Harrison, Dingfelder,
10:10:18 Miller, and Alvarez.
10:10:23 Linda Saul-Sena voted for Beverly A. Morrow.
10:10:28 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Congratulations.
10:10:30 [ Applause ]
10:10:34 >>GWEN MILLER: He's not here.
10:10:35 All righty.
10:10:37 If you would bring the resolution back.

10:10:40 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Posthaste.
10:10:46 >>MARTIN SHELBY: If would you make a motion -- a
10:10:49 resolution.
10:10:51 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Move a resolution for chip Fletcher
10:10:53 and -- and frank Reddick.
10:11:00 >> Second.
10:11:01 (Motion carried).
10:11:02 >>GWEN MILLER: Now second readings.
10:11:19 Items 56 through 57.
10:11:30 We need to open 56.
10:11:31 (Motion carried).
10:11:34 >> Is there anyone in the public wants to speak on 56?
10:11:37 >> So moved.
10:11:38 >> I do have a question, Madam Chair.
10:11:42 I want to make sure I understand what the process is
10:11:44 for undedicating a dedicated public park.
10:11:46 Because I was -- I have always been told that that has
10:11:49 to go to a ballot.
10:11:51 And apparently that's not the case anymore.
10:11:54 And so I want to make sure that we are not getting
10:11:57 ourselves on a slippery slope here where we can start
10:12:02 losing park land.

10:12:05 >>MARY ALVAREZ: Mr. Harrison, we did that with the
10:12:07 piece of land at the Tampa general.
10:12:10 There was dedicated park land.
10:12:12 We undedicated that park.
10:12:13 >>SHAWN HARRISON: Let's hear from legal.
10:12:20 >>DAVID SMITH: City attorney.
10:12:22 I'm sorry, I was caught up in a little dialogue
10:12:24 outside. The question is undedicating a dedicated
10:12:28 park?
10:12:30 >>SHAWN HARRISON: Yes.
10:12:31 >>> Essentially the process is one by ordinance.
10:12:33 We don't have it under any other process as an
10:12:37 ordinance.
10:12:37 So the dedication of a park as an ordinance, the
10:12:40 undedication of a park is an ordinance.
10:12:42 So even though the ordinance says we want to have a
10:12:46 public site in order to undedicate a park, you can
10:12:49 take parks out of the ordinance.
10:12:51 Because it's the parks that are in the ordinance that
10:12:52 are subject to that site.
10:12:55 So you can amend by ordinance.
10:12:57 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: If it was in the charter, it would

10:13:00 be a different deal but it not in the charter.
10:13:02 So we can make it by ordinance, we can unmake it by
10:13:05 ordinance.
10:13:05 >>DAVID SMITH: That's correct.
10:13:08 I guess when didn't anticipate this coming up since
10:13:12 it's a second reading.
10:13:13 I'm sorry.
10:13:13 >>SHAWN HARRISON: So really it's oxymoronic.
10:13:19 In order to undedicate a park you have to go to a
10:13:25 ballot, an actual vote.
10:13:26 However, that only applies to the parks that are on
10:13:28 this list.
10:13:31 Just take a park off a list and not have it go through
10:13:35 a vote that way.
10:13:36 >>> That's correct.
10:13:37 The legality of the issue.
10:13:38 >>SHAWN HARRISON: Do we need to amend the ordinance?
10:13:42 I think we probably ought to remove that.
10:13:44 >>> I believe that is exactly what you were doing.
10:13:49 >>> I didn't catch it all, coming down the elevator.
10:13:51 The process is as you said.
10:13:54 It looks like you are saying the ordinance itself says

10:13:57 you have to have a dedication but you can amend the
10:13:59 ordinance.
10:13:59 The only way where you couldn't do it is to require a
10:14:02 kind of simple majority, then you can change that
10:14:04 provision by ordinance as well.
10:14:06 The charter is the only way to protect this fully, if
10:14:10 you couldn't do it otherwise, then it couldn't be done
10:14:12 by changing the ordinance.
10:14:14 The pro section you have -- the protection you have
10:14:17 requires both the mayor and City Council to agree.
10:14:19 So you have got both bodies.
10:14:21 The mayor would have to submit the ordinance.
10:14:23 And the City Council would have to approve it.
10:14:24 So it's nothing that's going to be an easy thing to
10:14:27 do. It's a difficult thing to do because you require
10:14:29 both the administration and the council to agree to
10:14:31 it.
10:14:32 But it's simply a matter of changing the ordinance to
10:14:35 take something off the list that you want undedicated.
10:14:38 So, yes, it is a way of getting around the referendum
10:14:40 process.
10:14:41 And since it's an ordinance it does require a

10:14:46 concurrency of the administration and City Council.
10:14:54 >>SHAWN HARRISON: It is what it is.
10:14:57 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: What's interesting is, I think we
10:15:00 created this sort of special ordinance for this
10:15:03 special situation.
10:15:06 And I think that for anybody who is watching, I think
10:15:09 we could probably use a little bit of staff
10:15:12 explanation as to the justification, that we are not
10:15:17 doing park land, that it's my understanding a building
10:15:22 and a parking lot.
10:15:23 So I think we need to clarify that at some point in
10:15:26 the discussion.
10:15:27 But the other thing I was going to say, Mr. Harrison,
10:15:30 if we don't like that ordinance being on the book,
10:15:32 once this particular parcel is done, we could rescind
10:15:35 that ordinance so it's not a readily available
10:15:40 process.
10:15:41 Obviously, some future council can do the same thing
10:15:44 which it just did.
10:15:45 But at least it's not sitting there, you know, saying
10:15:49 use me, use me.
10:15:51 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I want to thank councilman Harrison

10:15:54 for bringing this up.
10:15:55 Because I honestly thought a city-wide vote was
10:16:01 required.
10:16:01 And I think that the suggestion or the comment made by
10:16:04 Mr. Territo about how simple majority could be put in
10:16:07 an ordinance, understanding that sort of changing the
10:16:11 charter, an ordinance is easier to change.
10:16:14 I think a simple majority is really a high threshold
10:16:16 for agreement, because parks are so precious to us, we
10:16:20 should do what Mr. Dingfelder suggested, change the
10:16:23 ordinance after we deal with this and include in that
10:16:25 change a simple majority of council.
10:16:29 It's required.
10:16:29 >>DAVID SMITH: City attorney.
10:16:36 I understand what you're trying to accomplish.
10:16:38 I just don't want you to be misled.
10:16:42 Because by simple majority you can change the
10:16:43 requirement of the super majority.
10:16:46 Any ordinance you have, you have the authority to
10:16:49 amend.
10:16:50 You have to go through a public hearing process.
10:16:52 But I think Mr. Dingfelder summarized it correctly.

10:17:00 If you really want to move this outside the
10:17:02 legislative purview, we do so by charter amendment.
10:17:06 It's important, as Mr. Dingfelder said, as you all
10:17:08 know, this is a very limited reduction of area.
10:17:11 The park is a larger area.
10:17:13 Actually, Mike Mahaffey can give you a little more
10:17:19 background than I can but this is a portion that is
10:17:21 impervious surface.
10:17:22 There is no green space affected by this.
10:17:25 It is in conjunction with the Tampa Heights
10:17:26 development.
10:17:27 It is very important to the project.
10:17:28 The community has been involved in this discussion
10:17:30 from the out set.
10:17:32 As you may recall, they are very much in favor of
10:17:35 this.
10:17:35 So this is something that will ultimately end up for
10:17:38 the benefit of the area, there will be more park added
10:17:41 both private and public so the upshot of it all is
10:17:45 it's favorable in terms of city parks.
10:17:51 Mike Mahaffey knows much more about the policy issues
10:17:54 so he can give you more information if you with would

10:17:56 like that.
10:17:57 >>SHAWN HARRISON: We all agree with this one. This is
10:17:59 part of the heights project and we all know this is
10:18:01 important.
10:18:02 My concern is some day, some council may say, you know
10:18:04 what?
10:18:08 The City of Tampa could sell that to a developer and
10:18:11 make millions of dollars.
10:18:12 And it takes a simple majority to -- it pretty easily
10:18:18 done.
10:18:18 I mean, if you have the right sort of people up here
10:18:21 that want to make that happen, this could very well be
10:18:23 a great thing to put on the ballot in March should the
10:18:29 charter be amended so that it requires a super
10:18:32 majority to undedicate an already dedicated public
10:18:36 park, or require a referendum, you know.
10:18:40 This would be something I think we should really
10:18:42 consider as part of the ballot potential.
10:18:45 >> As you know -- excuse me, you have already
10:18:47 indicated the desire to move forward with other issues
10:18:49 that will need to be put on the ballot, probably not
10:18:52 March because of the time frame, some of the issues he

10:18:57 would don't have enough lead time on.
10:18:59 But it makes sense if there are going to be changes to
10:19:01 the charter that are considered, this being included
10:19:03 in that process.
10:19:05 And that makes a lot of sense.
10:19:07 >>MARY ALVAREZ: Mr. Smith, can you tell me how many
10:19:10 times we have used this ordinance to undedicate parks?
10:19:15 >>> To my knowledge this is the first time.
10:19:18 >> I know of two, this one and the one that Tampa
10:19:20 general had.
10:19:22 I mean, I have been on council for eight years.
10:19:24 And I have never heard of undedicating park other than
10:19:30 the parcel at the Tampa general and here.
10:19:33 >>> I don't think the Tampa general, Ms. Alvarez, was
10:19:37 one of those listed in the ordinance as requiring --
10:19:39 >> Well, it was --
10:19:42 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: It was a park but it wasn't a
10:19:44 dedicated park.
10:19:46 >>> That's the only one -- I remember that.
10:19:48 So I think, again, we react, instead of pro-act.
10:19:54 I'm willing to leave it alone.
10:19:55 I won't support any changes.

10:19:58 I mean, it's not like we are doing it every year.
10:20:01 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Is there a motion?
10:20:04 >>GWEN MILLER: We need to close the public hearing.
10:20:06 >>MARY ALVAREZ: So moved.
10:20:07 >> Second.
10:20:07 (Motion carried).
10:20:08 >>GWEN MILLER: Mr. Dingfelder, would you read that,
10:20:11 please, number 58.
10:20:13 >>SHAWN HARRISON: 56, I'm sorry.
10:20:17 >> Move an ordinance of the city of -- move to adopt
10:20:21 upon second reading, an ordinance of the city of
10:20:24 Tampa, Florida pertaining to dedicated parks amending
10:20:26 chapter 16, article VII, section 16-150 entitled
10:20:31 dedicated parks to remove the parcel of land referred
10:20:34 to as the Tampa Waterworks Park from the list of
10:20:37 dedicated parks, to amend the name of the park
10:20:39 referred to as Tampa Waterworks Park and additions to
10:20:43 Tampa Waterworks Park, and amending section 16-154-C
10:20:48 of the City of Tampa code by adding language allowing
10:20:51 for the conveyance of that portion of the property
10:20:54 previously described as the Tampa Waterworks Park row
10:20:57 peeling all ordinances in conflict providing for

10:21:00 severability providing an effective date.
10:21:01 And we are talking about a small parcel that's not
10:21:09 green space.
10:21:11 >>GWEN MILLER: Voice roll call.
10:21:13 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried unanimously.
10:21:15 >>GWEN MILLER: Is there anyone in the public that
10:21:17 wants to speak on item 57?
10:21:19 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Move to close.
10:21:23 >>GWEN MILLER: You want to speak?
10:21:27 >> John McKirchy, assistant city attorney.
10:21:30 This was referred to the legal department City Council
10:21:32 on motion by council member Dingfelder, seconded by
10:21:35 council member Saul-Sena.
10:21:37 It was referred to the committee on the building and
10:21:41 zoning.
10:21:42 I met with the chair of that committee, also with the
10:21:45 Planning Commission.
10:21:45 I have before you the results of the -- of that
10:21:50 cooperative effort, which is requesting that you pass
10:21:53 this ordinance.
10:21:54 This ordinance basically -- the section of the city
10:21:59 code delineates what comprises the city's Land

10:22:02 Development Code.
10:22:05 Statutory requirements require that certain portions
10:22:07 of our city code be labeled as land development
10:22:10 regulations.
10:22:12 And it was felt correctly so by City Council that the
10:22:17 delineation in this section was overbroad, and this
10:22:20 ordinance deletes certain portions that are not
10:22:23 required by state statute to be labeled land
10:22:26 development regulations, and listed in the code.
10:22:29 That's the purpose and the effect of this ordinance.
10:22:32 We request that you pass this ordinance.
10:22:35 And adopt this ordinance today.
10:22:38 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Ms. Petrucha, can I ask you a
10:22:44 question on that?
10:22:47 I know originally there was some tension between staff
10:22:51 and Planning Commission staff about this item.
10:22:55 And then I heard that there were a couple more
10:22:58 meetings and perhaps some of the -- can you confirm or
10:23:04 deny?
10:23:05 >>ROSE PETRUCHA: I believe we have a cooperative
10:23:06 working relationship with the city legal department.
10:23:10 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: So the Planning Commission staff

10:23:12 and the Planning Commission is okay with this change?
10:23:15 >>ROSE PETRUCHA: That is my understanding.
10:23:16 >>GWEN MILLER: Would anyone else like to speak?
10:23:19 Need to close.
10:23:20 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: So moved.
10:23:21 >> Second.
10:23:21 (Motion carried).
10:23:21 >>SHAWN HARRISON: Move to adopt the following
10:23:25 ordinance upon second reading, an ordinance of the
10:23:27 city of Tampa, Florida amending the City of Tampa code
10:23:30 chapter 17.5, article II, section 17.5-17 entitled
10:23:35 created, to amend the list of chapters, articles and
10:23:38 ordinances enumerated therein as comprising the City
10:23:40 of Tampa Land Development Code, Land Development Code,
10:23:43 deleting certain chapters, articles and ordinances
10:23:46 from the Land Development Code, repealing all
10:23:48 ordinances or parts of ordinances in conflict
10:23:51 therewith, providing for severability, providing an
10:23:53 effective date.
10:23:54 >> Second.
10:23:54 >>GWEN MILLER: Motion and second.
10:23:56 Voice roll call.

10:24:04 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried with Alvarez being absent.
10:24:06 >>GWEN MILLER: Is there anyone in the public that
10:24:07 wants to speak on item 58 through 66?
10:24:10 Will you please stand and raise your right hand?
10:24:11 >>THE CLERK: Do you solemn lily swear or affirm to
10:24:20 tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the
10:24:22 truth?
10:24:23 >>GWEN MILLER: Need to open 58.
10:24:28 >> So moved.
10:24:29 >> Second.
10:24:29 >>CHAIRMAN: Is there anyone in the public wants to
10:24:31 speak on item 58?
10:24:32 >> Move to close.
10:24:33 >> Second.
10:24:33 (Motion carried).
10:24:34 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Move the following ordinance upon
10:24:38 second reading, an ordinance approving an historic
10:24:42 preservation property tax exemption application
10:24:45 relative to the restoration, renovation or
10:24:48 rehabilitation of certain property owned by Eric C.
10:24:51 and Kelly C. lamb I son, located at 1401 Nance Avenue
10:24:57 Tampa, Florida in the Hyde Park historic district

10:24:59 based upon certain findings, providing for notice to
10:25:01 the property appraiser of Hillsborough County,
10:25:03 providing for severability, providing for repeal of
10:25:07 all ordinances in conflict, providing an effective
10:25:09 date.
10:25:10 >>GWEN MILLER: I have a motion and second.
10:25:11 Voice roll call.
10:25:17 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried unanimously.
10:25:19 >>GWEN MILLER: Is there anyone in the public that
10:25:20 wants to speak on item 59?
10:25:22 >> Move to close.
10:25:23 >> Second.
10:25:23 (Motion carried).
10:25:24 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: 59.
10:25:29 Move the following ordinance upon second reading, an
10:25:32 ordinance making lawful the sale of beverages
10:25:34 containing alcohol of more than 1% by weight and not
10:25:36 more than 14% by weight and wines regardless of
10:25:39 alcoholic content, beer and wine, 2(COP), for
10:25:42 consumption on premises and in sealed containers for
10:25:44 consumption off premises at or from that certain lot,
10:25:47 plot or tract of land located at 1600 east 8th

10:25:53 Avenue, suite D-103, Tampa, Florida as more
10:25:56 particularly described in section 2 hereof waiving
10:25:58 certain restrictions as to distance based upon certain
10:26:01 findings, providing for repeal of all ordinances in
10:26:04 conflict, providing an effective date.
10:26:11 >>GWEN MILLER: I have a motion and second.
10:26:13 Voice roll call.
10:26:20 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried unanimously.
10:26:22 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Just for clarification, I think
10:26:24 that's a cigar bar we are talking about.
10:26:27 They wanted to add wine or something.
10:26:29 >>MARY ALVAREZ: No, this one here was the Tampa Bay
10:26:33 brewing, I thought.
10:26:34 Wasn't it?
10:26:34 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: No.
10:26:35 I think it's the Centro or something.
10:26:43 >>GWEN MILLER: Is there anyone in the public that
10:26:45 wants to speak on item 60?
10:26:46 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Move to close.
10:26:50 >> Second.
10:26:50 (Motion carried).
10:26:51 >>SHAWN HARRISON: Move to adopt the following

10:26:53 ordinance upon second reading, an ordinance making
10:26:55 lawful the sale of beverages containing alcohol of
10:26:58 more than 1% by weight and not more than 14% by weight
10:27:01 and wines regardless of alcoholic content, beer and
10:27:04 wine, 2(COP-R), for consumption on the premises only
10:27:06 in connection with a restaurant business establishment
10:27:09 at or from that certain lot, plot or tract of land
10:27:11 located at 7534 North Armenia Avenue, Tampa, Florida,
10:27:15 as more particularly described in section 2 hereof,
10:27:17 waiving certain restrictions as to distance based upon
10:27:20 certain findings, providing for repeal of all
10:27:22 ordinances in conflict, providing an effective date.
10:27:24 >> I have a motion and second.
10:27:26 Voice roll call.
10:27:31 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried unanimously.
10:27:34 >>GWEN MILLER: Is there anyone in the public that
10:27:37 wants to speak on item 61?
10:27:38 >> Move to close.
10:27:39 >> Second.
10:27:39 (Motion carried).
10:27:40 >>SHAWN HARRISON: Move to adopt the following
10:27:43 ordinance upon second reading, an ordinance making

10:27:45 lawful the sale of beverages containing alcoholic
10:27:49 content beer, wine and liquor had (COP-X) for
10:27:51 consumption on premises only at or from that certain
10:27:54 lot, plot or tract of land located at 1251 east Fowler
10:27:58 Avenue, suites D and E, Tampa, Florida as more
10:28:01 particularly described in section 2 hereof waiving
10:28:03 certain restrictions as to distance based upon certain
10:28:05 findings, providing for repeal of all ordinances in
10:28:08 conflict, providing an effective date.
10:28:10 >>GWEN MILLER: Voice roll call.
10:28:13 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried unanimously.
10:28:16 >>GWEN MILLER: Is there anyone in the public that
10:28:17 wants to speak on item 62?
10:28:20 >> Move to close.
10:28:20 >> Second.
10:28:21 (Motion carried).
10:28:21 >>MARY ALVAREZ: Move to adopt the following ordinance
10:28:27 on second reading, an ordinance making lawful the sale
10:28:30 of beverages containing alcohol of more than 1% by
10:28:35 weight and not more than 14% by weight and wines
10:28:37 regardless of alcoholic content beer and wine 2(COP-R)
10:28:40 for consumption on the premises only in connection

10:28:42 with a restaurant business establishment at or from
10:28:45 that certain lot, plot or tract of land located at
10:28:48 2576 east Fowler Avenue Tampa, Florida as more
10:28:51 particularly described in section 2 hereof waiving
10:28:53 certain restrictions as to distance based upon certain
10:28:56 findings, providing for repeal of all ordinances in
10:28:59 conflict, providing for an effective date.
10:29:00 >> Second.
10:29:01 >>GWEN MILLER: Voice roll call.
10:29:05 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried with Harrison being
10:29:08 absent.
10:29:09 >>GWEN MILLER: Is there anyone in the public that
10:29:12 wants to speak on item 63?
10:29:14 >> Move to close.
10:29:16 >> Second.
10:29:16 >>MARY ALVAREZ: Move to adopt the following ordinance
10:29:20 upon second reading, an ordinance making lawful the
10:29:22 sale of beverages containing alcohol regardless of
10:29:24 alcoholic content, beer, wine and liquor, 4(COP), for
10:29:28 consumption on the premises and in sealed containers
10:29:31 for consumption off the premises in connection with a
10:29:34 hotel on that certain lot, plot or tract of land

10:29:36 located at 513 South Florida Avenue, Tampa, Florida,
10:29:39 as more particularly described in section 2 hereof,
10:29:43 waiving certain restrictions as to distance based upon
10:29:45 certain findings, providing for repeal of all
10:29:47 ordinances in conflict, providing an effective date.
10:29:50 >>GWEN MILLER: I have a motion.
10:29:52 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Second.
10:29:53 >>GWEN MILLER: Voice roll call.
10:29:57 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried with Harrison being
10:30:00 absent.
10:30:01 >>GWEN MILLER: Is there anyone in the public that
10:30:02 wants to speak on item 64?
10:30:04 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Move to close.
10:30:07 >>MARY ALVAREZ: Second.
10:30:11 >>MARY ALVAREZ: Move to adopt the following ordinance
10:30:14 upon second reading, an ordinance rezoning property in
10:30:16 the general vicinity of 2966 and 2730 North Dale Mabry
10:30:20 highway in the city of Tampa, Florida and more
10:30:22 particularly described in section 1 from zoning
10:30:25 district classifications PD planned development,
10:30:27 vehicle sales and leasing vehicle repair, to PD,
10:30:31 planned development, vehicle sales and leasing/vehicle

10:30:35 repair, providing an effective date.
10:30:36 >>GWEN MILLER: I have a motion and second.
10:30:39 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Second.
10:30:41 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I believe this is the site of the
10:30:46 Jerry Ulm expansion which Ms. Alvarez and I pressed
10:30:51 for additional vegetation and I was glad to see it
10:30:56 installed of a decent caliber.
10:30:59 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: She's going to be out there with a
10:31:01 shovel herself.
10:31:04 >> You can tell the client that the eyes of council
10:31:07 are looking at that site.
10:31:09 Thank you.
10:31:10 >>GWEN MILLER: Motion and second.
10:31:11 Voice roll call.
10:31:15 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried with Harrison being
10:31:17 absent.
10:31:18 >>GWEN MILLER: Is there anyone in the public that
10:31:19 wants to speak on item 65?
10:31:22 >> Move to close.
10:31:22 >> Second.
10:31:22 (Motion carried).
10:31:23 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Move to adopt the following

10:31:27 ordinance upon second reading.
10:31:29 An ordinance rezoning property in the general vicinity
10:31:31 of 110 north 12th Street in the city of Tampa, Florida
10:31:33 and more particularly described in section 1 from
10:31:36 zoning district classification CD-1 Channel District
10:31:38 to CD-3 Channel District retail multiple providing an
10:31:44 effective date.
10:31:45 >>GWEN MILLER: Voice roll call.
10:31:47 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried with Harrison being
10:31:50 absent.
10:31:51 >>GWEN MILLER: Is there anyone in the public that
10:31:53 wants to speak on item 66?
10:31:57 >> Move to close but we need Mr. Harrison.
10:31:59 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I don't think it's going to help.
10:32:01 >>GWEN MILLER: It will be 3 to 2.
10:32:05 Need a motion to carry it over?
10:32:08 >> Or make a motion to tie.
10:32:10 >>GWEN MILLER: It still won't tie.
10:32:11 >>THE CLERK: Carry over to probably December 14th.
10:32:16 >> Make a motion for full council --
10:32:22 >>GWEN MILLER: Motion and second to carry it over to
10:32:24 the 14th?

10:32:27 >>MARY ALVAREZ: So moved.
10:32:27 >>GWEN MILLER: Second?
10:32:29 Do you want to speak first, Mr. Shelby?
10:32:31 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Just a reminder, council, by that
10:32:34 date, you will have a full council.
10:32:38 The new members will be sworn in next week.
10:32:40 And that will ensure that their legislative aide
10:32:45 provide them with a copy of the first public hearing.
10:32:47 And the background material.
10:32:49 And the date.
10:32:52 >>CHAIRMAN: We need a motion.
10:32:55 The 14th of December.
10:32:56 >> Second.
10:32:57 (Motion carried)
10:32:57 >>GWEN MILLER: We need to open items 67 through 72.
10:33:18 >> So moved.
10:33:19 >> Second.
10:33:19 (Motion carried)
10:33:20 69 is there anyone in the audience that wants to speak
10:33:22 on 67?
10:33:25 We have to -- need to close.
10:33:29 >> So moved.

10:33:30 >> Second.
10:33:31 (Motion carried).
10:33:31 >>GWEN MILLER: Mr. Dingfelder?
10:33:34 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Item 67.
10:33:39 >> For adoption.
10:33:40 Did.
10:33:41 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Move on second reading an ordinance
10:33:44 amending the Tampa comprehensive plan, capital
10:33:46 improvements element by updating the schedule of
10:33:49 projects for fiscal year 2007 through fiscal year
10:33:52 2012, providing for repeal of all ordinances in
10:33:55 conflict, providing for severability, providing an
10:33:57 effective date.
10:33:59 >>GWEN MILLER: Roll call vote.
10:34:02 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried unanimously.
10:34:03 >>GWEN MILLER: Is there anyone in the public that
10:34:05 wants to speak on item 6?
10:34:07 >> Move to close.
10:34:08 >> Second.
10:34:09 (Motion carried).
10:34:09 >>GWEN MILLER: Mr. Dingfelder?
10:34:11 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Move the following ordinance upon

10:34:13 second reading, an ordinance amending the Tampa
10:34:15 comprehensive plan, future land use element, future
10:34:17 land use map for the property located in the general
10:34:20 vicinity of the northwest corner of south Tampania
10:34:22 Avenue and West Swann Avenue from heavy commercial 24
10:34:25 to community mixed use 35, providing for repeal of all
10:34:28 ordinances in conflict, providing for severability,
10:34:31 providing an effective date.
10:34:31 >>GWEN MILLER: I have a motion and second.
10:34:33 Voice roll call.
10:34:36 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried unanimously.
10:34:39 >>GWEN MILLER: Is there anyone in the public that
10:34:41 wants to speak on item 69?
10:34:43 >> Move to close.
10:34:44 >> Second.
10:34:44 (Motion carried).
10:34:45 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I'll move to adopt the following
10:34:49 ordinance upon second reading, an ordinance, future
10:34:53 land use element, future land use map for the property
10:34:55 located in the general vicinity of north 17th
10:34:57 street, east 3rd Avenue and east 2nd Avenue in
10:35:01 Ybor City from general mixed use 24 to community mixed

10:35:03 use 35 providing for repeal of all ordinances in
10:35:06 conflict, providing for severability, providing an
10:35:08 effective date.
10:35:09 >> I have a motion and second.
10:35:10 Voice roll call.
10:35:14 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried unanimously.
10:35:17 >>GWEN MILLER: Is there anyone in the public that
10:35:18 wants to speak on item 70?
10:35:20 >> Move to close.
10:35:21 >> Second.
10:35:22 (Motion carried).
10:35:22 >>MARY ALVAREZ: Move to adopt the following ordinance
10:35:27 on second reading, an ordinance amending Tampa
10:35:29 comprehensive plan, future land use element, future
10:35:32 land use map for the property located in the general
10:35:34 vicinity of north 16th street, north 17th
10:35:39 street and east 3rd Avenue in Ybor City from
10:35:41 general mixed use 24 to community mixed use 35
10:35:45 providing for repeal of all ordinances in conflict,
10:35:48 providing for severability, providing an effective
10:35:49 date.
10:35:50 >>SHAWN HARRISON: Second.

10:35:52 79 voice roll call.
10:36:03 >>THE CLERK: We will need Saul-Sena present.
10:36:08 Because it requires a majority vote.
10:36:10 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Dysfunctional.
10:36:20 >>GWEN MILLER: Voice roll call.
10:36:42 Ms. Saul-Sena, item 70.
10:36:46 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: 70?
10:36:48 >>GWEN MILLER: Yes.
10:36:56 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried unanimously.
10:37:01 >>GWEN MILLER: Is there anyone in the public that
10:37:03 wants to speak on item 71?
10:37:05 >> Move to close.
10:37:05 >> Second.
10:37:06 (Motion carried).
10:37:06 >>SHAWN HARRISON: Move to adopt the following
10:37:10 ordinance upon second reading.
10:37:15 An ordinance amending the Tampa comprehensive plan,
10:37:17 future land use element, future land use map for the
10:37:19 property located in the general vicinity of 50th
10:37:21 street and east Washington street and the Palm River
10:37:26 Tampa bypass canal from transitional use 24 to
10:37:29 community mixed use 35 providing for repeal of all

10:37:31 ordinances in conflict, providing for severability,
10:37:33 providing an effective date.
10:37:34 >>GWEN MILLER: Motion and second.
10:37:35 Voice roll call.
10:37:39 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried unanimously.
10:37:41 >>GWEN MILLER: Is there anyone in the public that
10:37:42 wants to speak on item 72?
10:37:44 >> Move to close.
10:37:45 >> Second.
10:37:45 (Motion carried).
10:37:46 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Move the following ordinance upon
10:37:52 second reading, an ordinance amending the Tampa
10:37:54 comprehensive plan, future land use element, future
10:37:58 land use map, for the property located in the general
10:38:00 vicinity of east 5th Avenue and north Avenida
10:38:07 republic a de Cuba, in Ybor City from heavy commercial
10:38:12 24 to community mixed use 35 providing for real repeal
10:38:15 of all ordinances in conflict, providing for
10:38:17 severability, providing an effective date.
10:38:19 >>GWEN MILLER: Voice roll call.
10:38:22 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried unanimously.
10:38:25 >> Is there anyone in the public that wants to speak

10:38:27 on item 73?
10:38:28 >> Move to close.
10:38:29 >> Second.
10:38:29 (Motion carried).
10:38:30 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Move the following ordinance upon
10:38:35 second reading, an ordinance of the city of Tampa,
10:38:38 Florida designating the property known as fort Homer
10:38:41 W. Hesterly located at 522 north Howard Avenue, Tampa,
10:38:45 Florida as more particularly described in section 3
10:38:48 hereof as a local landmark providing for repeal of all
10:38:51 ordinances in conflict, providing for severability,
10:38:53 providing an effective date.
10:38:54 >>GWEN MILLER: Motion and second.
10:38:56 Voice roll call.
10:38:57 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried unanimously.
10:39:04 >>THE CLERK: 74 through 76 you will need to open the
10:39:06 public hearing.
10:39:09 >>SHAWN HARRISON: So moved.
10:39:10 >> Second.
10:39:10 (Motion carried).
10:39:11 >>GWEN MILLER: Item 76, anyone want to speak ton that?
10:39:18 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Which item?

10:39:19 >>THE CLERK: 74 right now.
10:39:21 >>CHAIRMAN: Anyone to speak on 74?
10:39:23 >> Move to close.
10:39:23 >> Second.
10:39:24 (Motion carried).
10:39:24 >>GWEN MILLER: Do we have an ordinance?
10:39:30 >>THE CLERK: Resolution.
10:39:30 >>MARY ALVAREZ: Should we go ahead?
10:39:35 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Let's see if somebody from legal or
10:39:38 planning has in the their pocket.
10:39:48 >> 110 west Amelia.
10:39:49 I do not have.
10:39:54 >> I have the resolution to set the public hearing.
10:39:56 >>MARY ALVAREZ: No, this is the -- oh, yeah, setting a
10:39:59 public hearing.
10:40:01 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Are we on 74 right now?
10:40:03 Setting the boundary.
10:40:06 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Move to continue --
10:40:08 >>GWEN MILLER: Wait, wait.
10:40:09 Give Ms. Cole a chance.
10:40:12 >>JULIA COLE: I think we are just scheduling a public
10:40:14 hearing which you can do by vote.

10:40:18 >>MARY ALVAREZ: This is the public hearing.
10:40:20 >>DENNIS FERNANDEZ: Historic preservation manager.
10:40:21 What this is, essentially an uninitiation of a
10:40:25 designation.
10:40:26 >>THE CLERK: You need to open the public hearing.
10:40:29 >> So moved.
10:40:30 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I think the question is, do we have
10:40:32 the resolution?
10:40:33 It was carried over for a week.
10:40:37 Do we have it now?
10:40:39 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I'm sorry.
10:40:40 The vote.
10:40:41 >>THE CLERK: We do have a motion to reopen.
10:40:43 >>GWEN MILLER: All in favor of the motion to reopen
10:40:45 say Aye.
10:40:46 (Motion carried).
10:40:48 >>DENNIS FERNANDEZ: The initiation of the designation,
10:40:50 we are requesting that the Tampa Heights historic
10:40:52 boundaries be modified to include two additional
10:40:55 structures.
10:40:56 The recommendation would then be forwarded to the
10:40:58 Planning Commission for consideration with the

10:41:02 comprehensive plan and come back to the council for
10:41:04 two special public hearings.
10:41:08 >> Move to schedule the hearings.
10:41:10 >> Second.
10:41:12 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Question.
10:41:13 Normally, what is the procedural process on this,
10:41:17 madam clerk?
10:41:19 >>THE CLERK: It's the initiation, you would normally
10:41:22 have the public hearing closed, and to approve the
10:41:24 initiation.
10:41:26 >>JULIA COLE: Let's just carry it over for a week to
10:41:30 allow me to --
10:41:32 >> So moved.
10:41:32 >>CHAIRMAN: Motion and second to continue item 74 for
10:41:35 one week.
10:41:35 All in favor of the motion say Aye.
10:41:36 (Motion carried)
10:41:39 Number 75.
10:41:43 Let's open that.
10:41:44 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: So moved.
10:41:46 >>: Second.
10:41:46 (Motion carried).

10:41:47 >>GWEN MILLER: Continue for a week.
10:41:50 >> So moved.
10:41:51 >> Second.
10:41:51 (Motion carried)
10:41:52 9 what about 76?
10:41:56 >>MARTIN SHELBY: 76 is a quasi-judicial hearing.
10:42:05 Witnesses will have to be sworn.
10:42:08 They have been sworn?
10:42:09 Okay, thank you.
10:42:11 >>MARY ALVAREZ: Move to open 76.
10:42:17 >> Second.
10:42:17 >>GWEN MILLER: I have a motion and second.
10:42:19 (Motion carried).
10:42:19 >>MARTY BOYLE McDONALD: Land development.
10:42:25 I have been sworn.
10:42:25 This is wet zoning WZ 06-158.
10:42:29 Petitioner's name is Ybor City museum society.
10:42:32 They are located at 1905 and 1907 north 19th
10:42:36 street.
10:42:39 For locational purposes on the Elmo, this is the area,
10:42:45 9th Avenue and 8th Avenue.
10:42:49 We have 20th street and 19th street north.

10:42:53 The actual wet zoning --
10:43:00 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Excuse me, Marty, but we are not
10:43:02 seeing that.
10:43:04 >>MARTY BOYLE McDONALD: I'm sorry.
10:43:05 Elmo?
10:43:07 >>GWEN MILLER: We need assistance from the TV room.
10:43:11 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: On the Elmo.
10:43:15 >> Wake up in there.
10:43:20 >>MARTIN SHELBY: It's not working.
10:43:27 >> We have one.
10:43:28 >>MARTY BOYLE McDONALD: I do need to point out the
10:43:30 actual location, you can see overall, it's the
10:43:33 building right in the middle.
10:43:35 It will be -- on the survey, this is the actual
10:43:50 footprint of the building in the middle, will cover
10:43:54 the front patio, and a portion of the back patio.
10:43:59 They will have some tables up front.
10:44:04 The request is for a 2(COP-R).
10:44:07 And they are proposing to sell beer and wine in
10:44:11 association with a coffee shop and wine bar.
10:44:13 The coffee bar will contain 972 square feet.
10:44:20 Alcohol will also be served on the patio.

10:44:24 Sell of alcohol is incidental to the use.
10:44:27 This is Ybor.
10:44:28 Other wet zoned properties within a thousand feet.
10:44:31 And under the section 3-78-6 of the ordinance council
10:44:38 is allowed to waive that if it's incidental to the
10:44:41 use.
10:44:44 You will see there is one residential property within
10:44:46 a thousand feet.
10:44:48 And there are institutional uses within a thousand
10:44:50 feet.
10:44:54 There are conditions, 3-29.1, conditional --
10:44:58 conditions for approval in downtown Tampa in the Ybor
10:45:00 district attached for you to look at.
10:45:04 Also attached to the staff report were several letters
10:45:10 in support of Hillsborough County's real estate
10:45:13 department, Sheriff's Department, and I believe Ybor
10:45:19 City Chamber of Commerce that is in support of.
10:45:23 That is the presentation.
10:45:29 >>> Officer Don Miller, City of Tampa police
10:45:31 department, I have been sworn in.
10:45:32 We have no objections to this wet zoning.
10:45:34 >>GWEN MILLER: Petitioner?

10:45:42 >>> Grace Robinson, 201 Franklin Street.
10:45:45 I have been sworn.
10:45:48 Thank you, Madam Chair, council members, for your
10:45:51 cooperation in allowing this wet zoning petition to be
10:45:54 heard today.
10:45:54 I would also like to publicly thank city staff for
10:45:57 their cooperation through this process, especially
10:46:01 attorney Rebecca Kert, Cathy Coyle and Barbara Le port
10:46:07 in the land development office.
10:46:08 They were most helpful.
10:46:10 In our meeting with Hillsborough County, the property
10:46:12 owner when we first started discussing the potential
10:46:14 wet zoning many months ago.
10:46:17 A little history about this special building.
10:46:20 This is this building was originally built in 1926, I
10:46:26 believe, originally known as the Tuson cafe.
10:46:31 It was a social gathering spot for workers living in
10:46:34 the surrounding casitas in Ybor City.
10:46:37 The building was then remodeled and became a favorite
10:46:40 hangout for World War II veterans, hence the name "the
10:46:45 bunker."
10:46:46 And the nickname.

10:46:47 This building was moved in 1998 to its current
10:46:50 location when the I-4 widening project began.
10:46:54 And through the efforts of many people in the
10:46:57 community, including the Ybor City museum society, and
10:47:01 the trey Amiche, Debby Matter, this building, the
10:47:11 bunker, has become a beautiful new coffee house and
10:47:14 they have asked permission from council for 2(COP-R)
10:47:18 wet zoning, beer and wines incidental sales for
10:47:20 consumption on the premises only.
10:47:23 And I will be happy to answer any additional questions
10:47:26 you may have.
10:47:27 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I just wanted to comment, that I
10:47:30 believe Ms. Alvarez, and probably Ms. Saul-Sena as
10:47:34 well, were deeply involved in the moving of those
10:47:37 buildings and the preservation of those buildings.
10:47:40 And both should be very proud -- all council should be
10:47:46 very proud but especially the ladies who are so
10:47:48 concerned about historic preservation.
10:47:54 >>> Pleased with the outcome of what it has become.
10:47:57 >>MARY ALVAREZ: I'm especially thankful to Mr. Swope
10:48:00 and Debby for taking over the location and bringing it
10:48:05 up to speed.

10:48:06 And it's a beautiful, beautiful location.
10:48:08 And I am just as proud as a peacock to see the
10:48:13 project.
10:48:15 >>> Unfortunately the Elmo is not working yet.
10:48:17 Otherwise, I would show you a picture.
10:48:20 This is a picture of the new building.
10:48:23 >>GWEN MILLER: Is there anyone in the public that
10:48:24 wants to speak on item 76?
10:48:26 >> Move to close.
10:48:27 >> Second.
10:48:27 (Motion carried).
10:48:28 >>GWEN MILLER: Mr. Harrison, would you read that,
10:48:32 please?
10:48:34 >>SHAWN HARRISON: I am going to defer to Ms. Alvarez.
10:48:37 >>MARY ALVAREZ: Thank you.
10:48:38 My pleasure.
10:48:39 Move an ordinance making lawful the sale of beverages
10:48:41 containing alcohol of more than 1% by weight and not
10:48:44 more than 14% by weight and wines regardless of
10:48:47 alcoholic content beer and wine 2(COP-R) for
10:48:49 consumption on the premises only in connection with a
10:48:51 restaurant business established at or from the certain

10:48:54 lot, plot or tract of land located at 1905 and 1907
10:48:59 north 19th street, Tampa, Florida, as more
10:49:01 particularly described in section 2 hereof, waiving
10:49:04 certain restrictions as to distance based upon certain
10:49:06 findings, providing for repeal of all ordinances in
10:49:09 conflict, providing an effective date.
10:49:11 >>GWEN MILLER: I have a motion and second.
10:49:12 (Motion carried).
10:49:13 >>GWEN MILLER: Item number 77 we need to open and
10:49:17 continue.
10:49:18 >> So moved.
10:49:19 >> Second.
10:49:19 (Motion carried).
10:49:22 >> Now it needs to be continued.
10:49:24 >>SHAWN HARRISON: To June 7th?
10:49:29 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: May 24th.
10:49:31 >>CHAIRMAN: No, June 7th.
10:49:34 >> 9:30 a.m.
10:49:35 (Motion Carried).
10:49:35 >>GWEN MILLER: Item number 78 cannot be heard.
10:49:41 Ms. McDonald, do you have anything on that one, 78?
10:49:46 >>> John McKirchy, assistant city attorney.

10:49:49 That would be continued until January 25, 2007 --
10:49:55 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: 78 or 79?
10:49:57 >>CHAIRMAN: 78.
10:49:59 >> Second.
10:50:02 >>MARY ALVAREZ: So moved.
10:50:09 >>MARTIN SHELBY: For which number?
10:50:10 >>GWEN MILLER: 78.
10:50:12 78.
10:50:16 >>> We will be putting a resolution before you.
10:50:18 >>GWEN MILLER: A motion for a resolution.
10:50:22 (Motion carried)
10:50:23 We have a motion to continue to January --
10:50:26 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I don't think it's appropriate to do
10:50:27 that.
10:50:28 >>THE CLERK: The motion would be to have legal prepare
10:50:32 a resolution.
10:50:34 >> So moved.
10:50:35 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Wait, wait.
10:50:36 THE CLERK: I need to know mo ho made the motion.
10:50:40 >>GWEN MILLER: Alvarez and Linda Saul-Sena.
10:50:44 Number 79.
10:50:45 Need to open that.

10:50:47 Then continue it.
10:50:49 >> So moved.
10:50:50 >> Second.
10:50:50 (Motion carried).
10:50:51 >>MARTIN SHELBY: January 25th, 2007 at 9:30 a.m.
10:50:54 for the first public hearing was continued to January
10:50:57 11, 2007, at 5:01.
10:51:00 >> Second.
10:51:00 (Motion carried).
10:51:01 >>GWEN MILLER: Mr. Shelby?
10:51:03 >>MARTIN SHELBY: A quick question with regard to
10:51:05 number 77.
10:51:06 I am not familiar with the process.
10:51:08 I just want to be clear that the public hearing to be
10:51:10 continued to May 24th is a long way off.
10:51:13 I want to know on notice requirement, are those things
10:51:18 renoticed or readvertised?
10:51:19 Does it require a full notice of a small scale plan
10:51:23 amendment to be heard in May?
10:51:28 >> That's a good question.
10:51:36 >> There's no legal requirement --
10:51:38 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I was going to say, because these

10:51:40 are usually -- the requests precede rezoning requests
10:51:45 in the neighborhood, usually want to participate, I
10:51:49 think that renotice would be a good idea.
10:51:57 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: But there's no legal requirement.
10:52:04 >> Do you want to hear from the planning department?
10:52:06 >>ROSE PETRUCHA: This particular agenda item plan
10:52:09 amendment is being continued because the petitioner
10:52:13 acquired additional land area adjoining -- they are in
10:52:16 the process of an amendment to that other property.
10:52:18 And wanted to kind of combine the entire parcel for
10:52:22 the plan amendment.
10:52:23 And that's why it's being continued.
10:52:25 The other one will require the notice.
10:52:27 So we will be basically renoticing this area.
10:52:32 >>GWEN MILLER: We need to pass the resolution.
10:52:37 >> So moved.
10:52:38 >> Second.
10:52:38 (Motion carried).
10:52:38 >>GWEN MILLER: Okay.
10:52:43 Any information?
10:52:45 Ms. Saul-Sena?
10:52:45 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Two things.

10:52:47 First of all, Joe TAUT, a professor of architecture at
10:52:53 USF, was going to present the plans for the City
10:52:57 Council chambers on December 14th.
10:52:59 I mean, he was going to do it on the 7th.
10:53:02 And that will not work with the students because they
10:53:04 have final exams.
10:53:05 But December 14th will.
10:53:08 So I move we -- the presentation is short -- move we
10:53:13 reschedule the presentation by architectural students
10:53:16 to December 14th.
10:53:22 >> Second.
10:53:22 (Motion carried).
10:53:23 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Yesterday, we had a really lively
10:53:29 discussion about signage, with Ms. Cole and members of
10:53:34 the sign industry and neighborhoods, and Ms. Alvarez
10:53:36 was there.
10:53:37 And I would like to request that the legal department
10:53:39 contact national advertising company regarding the
10:53:42 billboard sign which was constructed at 1308 north
10:53:45 Howard Avenue to request that they consider
10:53:48 constructing a buffer wall with landscaping around the
10:53:52 base of the billboard so with the plans of the west

10:53:58 historic district.
10:53:59 >>MARY ALVAREZ: I'm glad you brought that up but I
10:54:01 would also like to do something about the one that
10:54:03 they did on LaSalle and Rome.
10:54:05 I mean, you know, they are putting these things into
10:54:07 the neighborhood, which is not a good thing.
10:54:09 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: That's definitely a friendly
10:54:12 addition to this.
10:54:15 >>GWEN MILLER: I have a motion and second.
10:54:16 (Motion carried).
10:54:17 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Furthermore, it was evident from
10:54:20 our conversation that our entire sign situation
10:54:24 legally needs work.
10:54:27 And so what I would like to request is a report back
10:54:30 in 30 days from our legal department on how we are
10:54:32 doing with clarifying some of the issues that they are
10:54:36 trying to wrestle with.
10:54:40 >> Second that.
10:54:41 >>GWEN MILLER: Question on the motion.
10:54:43 Ms. Cole?
10:54:44 >>JULIA COLE: I am coming back to you next week on a
10:54:47 workshop on the revisions to our on-site --

10:54:54 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: On billboards, right.
10:54:56 >> Thank you for the clarification.
10:54:58 >> Does 30 days give you enough time?
10:55:00 I know you are really busy.
10:55:01 >>GWEN MILLER: 90 days.
10:55:04 >>JULIA COLE: 90 days would be better.
10:55:07 I may be able to come back to you within the 30 days,
10:55:10 or the alternative, if that isn't enough time, I'll
10:55:13 let now it isn't enough time.
10:55:15 But I should be able to come back to you with
10:55:17 something within that time.
10:55:18 What date in 30 days?
10:55:23 January?
10:55:24 >> Probably January.
10:55:25 That would be fine.
10:55:32 >>MARY ALVAREZ: January 11th?
10:55:37 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: January 11th.
10:55:40 >>GWEN MILLER: We have a heavy agenda on the 11th.
10:55:43 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: The 1th under unfinished
10:55:46 business.
10:55:48 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Ms. Cole, as I recall, this Howard
10:55:52 Avenue one, it seemed like part of the problem was

10:55:57 that the owner of the sign who had to move the sign
10:56:03 because of an interstate that they pick a location
10:56:06 themselves, and then they come to council and sort of
10:56:09 say take it or leave it.
10:56:10 And then if we don't want it there, then we have to
10:56:12 buy it which probably costs a half million dollars or
10:56:15 some huge amount of money.
10:56:16 So what I'm wondering is, when you look into this over
10:56:20 the next 30, 40 days, if you could look into the
10:56:23 possibility that we could amend our ordinance quickly
10:56:28 to require that, you know, that they provide multiple
10:56:36 location opportunities or that staff is more involved
10:56:38 in the selection of those various location options,
10:56:44 just something so the city is a little more involved
10:56:47 as opposed to the sort of "take it or leave it"
10:56:50 attitude.
10:56:50 >> When I come back to you in 30 days what I will
10:56:53 really be discussing with you is the conversations
10:56:55 that have been ongoing, been having with the billboard
10:56:57 companies on this issue.
10:56:59 And our current agreements which have now expired and
10:57:04 I think it would be appropriate as part of that

10:57:06 conversation to have that conversation that you're
10:57:09 talking about.
10:57:10 >>GWEN MILLER: Motion and second.
10:57:11 (Motion carried)
10:57:13 Anything else, Ms. Saul-Sena?
10:57:15 Mr. Harrison?
10:57:16 >>SHAWN HARRISON: I do have a couple so please bear
10:57:18 with me.
10:57:19 In November, there was Constitutional amendment that
10:57:22 was passed on the ballot that would allow counties and
10:57:25 municipalities to increase the homestead exemption for
10:57:29 low-income seniors from 25,000 to $50,000.
10:57:33 It passed overwhelmingly in Hillsborough County.
10:57:37 And if the municipalities or counties wish to enact
10:57:41 that, they have to take action to do so.
10:57:44 I would like a report from legal in one week as to how
10:57:48 we -- if we decide this is something we want --
10:57:51 >>GWEN MILLER: Go out two weeks?
10:57:54 >>SHAWN HARRISON: Yes.
10:57:56 But I'm just wondering if our December 14th
10:57:58 meeting is going to be pretty full.
10:58:05 We do?

10:58:06 There's really not a whole lot of legal research
10:58:08 that's going to be necessary.
10:58:09 In fact, I see our city attorney right here and he may
10:58:12 be able --
10:58:14 >>DAVID SMITH: City attorney.
10:58:16 We'll try to do that.
10:58:18 We are asking for two weeks because of the workload.
10:58:24 We can come back and explain for additional time.
10:58:26 Otherwise --
10:58:29 >>SHAWN HARRISON: December 14th is fine.
10:58:30 If we want to take that action, what the process for
10:58:33 us would be.
10:58:34 >>GWEN MILLER: Two weeks.
10:58:35 Mr. Dingfelder?
10:58:36 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Just a friendly amendment, Mr.
10:58:37 Harrison.
10:58:39 Friendly amendment.
10:58:40 I would like to hear from budget as well on the
10:58:45 financial -- you know, the estimated financial impact
10:58:50 of the city enacting that.
10:58:55 Clearly, I accept that.
10:58:57 >>GWEN MILLER: did we get a second?

10:59:00 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Second.
10:59:00 (Motion carried).
10:59:02 >>SHAWN HARRISON: The second thing is, two or three
10:59:06 months ago, we got an update from TPD on this issue of
10:59:10 the City of Tampa's police radios not being on the
10:59:15 county's 911 system.
10:59:17 And said it was going to take five years to put into
10:59:21 position to be able to enact that so that we were on
10:59:24 the same system.
10:59:26 I'm not sure that five years is really -- I'm not sure
10:59:30 that that's really an acceptable answer, if we have a
10:59:33 public safety issue.
10:59:34 So I would like to ask TPD as well to come back in,
10:59:37 and I think we only got a memo on that from them as
10:59:41 opposed to an actual written report.
10:59:43 Now that we have a new public safety chairwoman, Mary,
10:59:47 under your committee, perhaps we could ask them to
10:59:49 come in in two weeks as well and give us an update how
10:59:53 we can try to -- just get us talking.
10:59:56 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: For point of clarification I think
11:00:00 I'm the acting public safety chair but that's all
11:00:02 right.

11:00:06 That's what the agenda said today.
11:00:08 >>GWEN MILLER: In two weeks?
11:00:11 >>SHAWN HARRISON: It would be for them to come in and
11:00:13 update us on that.
11:00:14 >>GWEN MILLER: Motion and second.
11:00:15 (Motion carried).
11:00:16 >>SHAWN HARRISON: One more thing.
11:00:20 On Cotanchobee park, we appropriated to have sculpture
11:00:28 built.
11:00:29 I wanted an update as to whether that money has been
11:00:32 sitting there waiting for it or we haven't been able
11:00:34 to get the sculpture done or just an update. That can
11:00:37 be in written format in two weeks.
11:00:39 >> Second.
11:00:39 (Motion carried).
11:00:40 >>GWEN MILLER: Ms. Alvarez?
11:00:43 >>MARY ALVAREZ: A couple of things.
11:00:45 One, I would like a commendation prepared for the West
11:00:47 Tampa elementary principal Linda Geller.
11:00:50 She was named the principal leadership award
11:00:54 recipient.
11:00:55 And that was a $10,000 leadership award that was given

11:00:59 to a principal each year.
11:01:02 The West Tampa elementary school -- the original
11:01:08 partners in the initiatives.
11:01:10 And her school has moved from a D school to a B school
11:01:15 and has achieved a 70% reduction in discipline
11:01:18 referrals.
11:01:19 So I really would like a commendation.
11:01:22 >>GWEN MILLER: Motion and second.
11:01:23 (Motion carried).
11:01:24 >>MARY ALVAREZ: The other thing I would like to do is
11:01:27 see if we can have -- since we do have two City
11:01:33 Council members on the county commission, to see if we
11:01:36 can get some dialogue going with them, and to talk
11:01:40 about the Tampa convention center roof.
11:01:43 We need to have that roof fixed.
11:01:46 We are losing convention business because of that
11:01:48 roof.
11:01:49 And from what I read in the paper the other day, it
11:01:52 was very disconcerting to know that they had 33 leaks,
11:01:57 and they had a convention going on at the same time,
11:02:00 with computers, and WiFi equipment in there.
11:02:06 It's got to stop.

11:02:07 This money has got to be released.
11:02:09 And this money has got to go and fix that roof.
11:02:12 And I would love to hear from somebody in the county
11:02:15 commission, to see if they can't start that dialogue
11:02:19 and get this roof fixed.
11:02:21 That's my motion.
11:02:23 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I'll second it.
11:02:24 I want to say the tourist development council voted
11:02:26 unanimously to spend the money on the convention
11:02:29 center roof.
11:02:30 And the county commission paid no attention.
11:02:35 This board is specifically convened to look at how the
11:02:39 tourist bed tax dollars be spent.
11:02:42 It was an affront to the CDC.
11:02:45 But I really believe with former City Council members
11:02:49 over there maybe things can go --
11:02:51 >> Well, they certainly need to do something because
11:02:53 it's not fair.
11:02:54 It's not fair.
11:02:56 These convention center is the one that makes all this
11:02:59 money.
11:02:59 They are the ones that generate the resort tax for

11:03:03 the -- not only the City of Tampa but for the county,
11:03:06 for God's sake, now?
11:03:08 And it's time for us -- for them to stop playing games
11:03:14 and get on with the fixing of this roof.
11:03:16 It's very, very important.
11:03:18 And I'm very serious about this.
11:03:20 And I will go and talk to the county commission myself
11:03:25 if I have to.
11:03:25 But they have got to have some dialogue and get this
11:03:28 thing started.
11:03:30 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Madam Chair, just to tighten up the
11:03:32 motion a little.
11:03:33 Perhaps the motion should be to ask our chairwoman to
11:03:37 work with Mr. Shelby and draft a letter expressing
11:03:41 strong sentiments of City Council.
11:03:43 I agree with you 100%.
11:03:45 And that way we'll formalize it, put it in writing,
11:03:48 and see how they respond.
11:03:50 >>CHAIRMAN: We have a motion and second.
11:03:51 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Did you want me to bring that back --
11:03:56 would you wish me to work with the chair and just send
11:03:58 it out or do you wish it to come back to council?

11:04:01 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Work with the chair.
11:04:03 >>MARY ALVAREZ: I would like to see it before you send
11:04:04 it out, though.
11:04:05 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: You don't have to bring it to all
11:04:08 council.
11:04:10 >>GWEN MILLER: Copy all council members.
11:04:13 Motion and second.
11:04:14 (Motion carried)
11:04:17 Mr. Dingfelder?
11:04:18 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Great news.
11:04:21 Plant High School is still undefeated in their
11:04:23 football adventure.
11:04:25 I think they are 13-0.
11:04:27 And now this Friday they are playing Miami Booker T.
11:04:31 Washington at Plant High School at 7:30 at night.
11:04:33 So want the whole city to cheer on the panthers and
11:04:37 see if we can win the state championship.
11:04:40 >>GWEN MILLER: Let me say congratulations to plant
11:04:42 football team.
11:04:43 We are behind you 100%.
11:04:46 They are going to win.
11:04:49 >> Go panthers.

11:04:50 Bring in the win for Tampa.
11:04:51 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: My next issue had to do with the
11:04:54 crematorium.
11:04:55 That's sort of a switch.
11:04:57 I received a letter from a gentleman who lives on
11:05:00 north Arlington Avenue in Tampa Heights.
11:05:02 And he's concerned about a proposed crematorium that
11:05:06 will be built ten feet away from residences.
11:05:09 So I don't know what the details of this is.
11:05:11 I would just like a report back from staff, land
11:05:16 development, and or building construction staff.
11:05:19 On this proposed project at 3900 block of Florida
11:05:23 Avenue, a crematorium, in two weeks.
11:05:27 >>GWEN MILLER: We have a motion and second.
11:05:28 (Motion carried)
11:05:31 Anything else?
11:05:33 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: No, I don't think so.
11:05:35 Just congratulations to Mr. Reddick and Mr. Fletcher.
11:05:38 And we look forward to them joining us next week.
11:05:42 >>GWEN MILLER: I know you all read in the paper about
11:05:45 Esther Mae reed, who was a native, and to get a street
11:05:55 named after her.

11:05:56 I would like to make a motion for someone in
11:05:59 administration to work with housing authority and see
11:06:01 if we can get a name, a street named after her after
11:06:06 this development is built.
11:06:08 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Or whatever is appropriate.
11:06:09 >>GWEN MILLER: She really was a champion.
11:06:19 She would give food, was a political activist.
11:06:22 Had so many political connections.
11:06:23 She just did a lot in that area.
11:06:25 She will be missed.
11:06:28 Living in Brandon with her daughter.
11:06:31 >>SHAWN HARRISON: Madam Chair, if we can get a report
11:06:33 back.
11:06:35 Street namings are sometimes a lot more complicated
11:06:37 than we think.
11:06:37 If that's not going to work, then a plaque or
11:06:40 something like that, which we all have done.
11:06:43 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: A recognition.
11:06:45 >>GWEN MILLER: Mr. Dingfelder?
11:06:46 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Some late-breaking news.
11:06:50 >>GWEN MILLER: All in favor of the motion say Aye.
11:06:51 (Motion carried)

11:06:54 Breaking news.
11:06:55 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Also in the sports realm, the
11:06:56 University of Tampa women's volleyball team won the
11:06:59 division 2 national championship.
11:07:01 The first in the school history.
11:07:04 Chris Catanich is the coach.
11:07:08 That's in my district.
11:07:10 His daughter attends plant.
11:07:13 Plays volleyball for plant.
11:07:16 >>GWEN MILLER: Congratulations to university of Tampa.
11:07:18 Go Spartans.
11:07:20 Okay.
11:07:24 We have a motion to receive and file.
11:07:26 (Motion carried)
11:07:28 We are going to have some changes in our council
11:07:30 committees with new people coming in, and Ms. Alvarez
11:07:33 has been public safety.
11:07:35 So we need to do a resolution.
11:07:39 And make a motion to appoint her chair.
11:07:43 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I'll make that.
11:07:45 (Motion carried).
11:07:46 >>GWEN MILLER: Then on the next committee --

11:07:51 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Finance chair, I guess.
11:07:54 >>GWEN MILLER: Do you want it?
11:07:56 >> No.
11:08:02 Appoint one of the new people.
11:08:03 >>GWEN MILLER: We don't want to give them those
11:08:05 complicated committees.
11:08:07 So we are going to try to see if we can help them out.
11:08:11 So you take that one.
11:08:16 Do you want to give them yours?
11:08:18 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I'm okay with public works.
11:08:24 69 and next meeting we are going to have to appoint
11:08:27 the new people to boards so we'll make a motion next
11:08:31 week to put them on boards.
11:08:35 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Outside boards?
11:08:37 >>GWEN MILLER: Outside boards, yes.
11:08:38 And the committees.
11:08:42 We'll make that motion next week.
11:08:43 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Would you like that in the form of a
11:08:45 motion as an agenda item?
11:08:51 >>GWEN MILLER: Next Thursday, say what committees,
11:08:55 outside boards and committees.
11:08:58 Is that okay?

11:08:59 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Okay.
11:09:03 Then a whole new ballgame.
11:09:05 >>GWEN MILLER: Whole new ballgame.
11:09:08 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Just so there is clarification for
11:09:11 the audience, so people understand, originally council
11:09:13 was going to pass a resolution this evening formally
11:09:17 pointing both Mr. Fletcher and Mr. Reddick to City
11:09:21 Council.
11:09:21 City Council has done that today.
11:09:24 So there will be no additional action to be taken on
11:09:26 that.
11:09:28 That is an official action passed by unanimous
11:09:32 consent.
11:09:33 And, council, just a reminder, that they will be sworn
11:09:39 in officially to take their oath of office by Ms. Fox
11:09:44 Knolls as the first order of business after roll call
11:09:47 next week, December 7th.
11:09:48 During that time, council, I should point out that the
11:09:54 public records law, the sunshine law, the public
11:09:57 meetings law, indicates the fact that they are
11:09:59 tentative council members, and if that council member
11:10:02 is elected and sworn in, I would just caution you to

11:10:05 talk with them individually about particular items
11:10:09 that will be coming before council, and prior to them
11:10:12 being sworn in.
11:10:13 So just take that into consideration.
11:10:15 Obviously there is nothing to keep you from talking
11:10:18 with them informally, socially, about life in general.
11:10:22 But I just caution you about that.
11:10:26 And again I would like to extend my congratulations
11:10:29 both to the new members of the City Council.
11:10:33 And I would like to extend my congratulations to this
11:10:35 City Council for conducting a process that you had so
11:10:42 many qualified applicants and gave people the
11:10:44 opportunity to participate.
11:10:46 I thank council for the way it conducted its business.
11:10:56 >>MARY ALVAREZ: And we have to thank you, Mr. Shelby,
11:10:58 for taking the lead on this because we would have been
11:11:00 floundering.
11:11:03 >>MARTIN SHELBY: It wasn't me.
11:11:04 It was you.
11:11:05 And it's a pleasure to serve you.
11:11:06 Thank you.
11:11:07 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: And we thank the clerk.

11:11:10 >>GWEN MILLER: And the clerk.
11:11:12 All right.
11:11:14 Clerk, do you have anything?
11:11:15 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Move to receive and file.
11:11:17 >>GWEN MILLER: We did that already.
11:11:18 We now go to our audience portion.
11:13:06 (City Council meeting recessed)