Tampa City Council
Thursday, March 22, 2007
6:00 p.m. session
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17:03:08 >> Please stand till Ms. Foxx-Knowles gives the
17:03:29 invocation and pledge of allegiance.
17:03:34 >>SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES: Good evening council, and
17:03:37 Let us pray.
17:03:38 O Lord our Lord, how excellent is Thy name in all the
17:03:43 I will praise Thee, O Lord, with all Thy heart.
17:03:46 I will be glad and rejoice in Thee.
17:03:49 I will sing praises to Thy name God on most high.
17:03:54 We ask that be here as we praise your name.
17:04:00 We ask that what we do here is bound to be pleasant in
17:04:02 your site, and that you look upon us with favor.
17:04:06 Gracious father, thank you for this evening and for
17:04:09 this place in time.
17:04:11 Thank you once again for how you have blessed us.
17:04:18 I ask that you increase in the Tampa City Council
17:04:21 members the gifts of faith, hope, charity, and
17:04:24 compassion in the decisions they must make today, and
17:04:28 the gift of understanding to the individuals who will
17:04:32 come before this council.
17:04:34 Continue to make the council members instruments of
17:04:38 your will.
17:04:39 Lead them as they make the decisions that affect the
17:04:42 lives of the citizens of our fair city.
17:04:46 And now, O Lord, as we go about the worldly matters of
17:04:50 the city, please continue to bless our leaders.
17:04:54 Guide them and keep us all in your care.
17:04:57 Be with us now and forever more.
17:05:00 Let us all pray.
17:05:03 [ Pledge of Allegiance ]
17:05:23 >>GWEN MILLER: Roll call.
17:05:27 >>CHARLES FLETCHER: Here.
17:05:28 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Here.
17:05:31 >>MARY ALVAREZ: Here.
17:05:35 >>GWEN MILLER: Here.
17:05:37 We now go through our agenda and bring up some
17:05:39 continued items on there.
17:05:43 >>JILL FINNEY: Jill Finney -- Finney, Land Development
17:05:49 Item number 1 has requested a continuance to April
17:05:58 >> Move to open the public hearing.
17:06:00 >> Second.
17:06:00 (Motion carried).
17:06:01 >>GWEN MILLER: Is there anyone in the public that came
17:06:03 to speak on item number 1?
17:06:07 Only on the continuance.
17:06:08 All right.
17:06:11 >>JOHN GRANDOFF: John Grandoff, suite 3700 Bank of
17:06:16 America Plaza.
17:06:18 On behalf of petitioner requesting a continuance..
17:06:20 >>GWEN MILLER: To April 26th at 6 p.m.
17:06:29 (Motion carried).
17:06:30 >>JILL FINNEY: Item number 6 has requested a
17:06:33 continuance to May 24th.
17:06:35 >>GWEN MILLER: Open the public hearing.
17:06:38 >> So moved.
17:06:39 >> second.
17:06:39 (Motion carried).
17:06:40 >> Does anyone in the public want to speak on the
17:06:43 continuance of item number 6?
17:06:48 Anyone in the public want to speak on the continuance
17:06:50 of item number 6?
17:06:54 >>DAVID MECHANIK: 305 south Boulevard here on behalf
17:06:57 of the applicant, requesting continuance to May
17:07:02 >>MARY ALVAREZ: So moved.
17:07:09 >>MARY ALVAREZ: Move to continue.
17:07:11 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Second.
17:07:13 >>GWEN MILLER: May 24th at 6 p.m.
17:07:16 (Motion carried).
17:07:16 >>JILL FINNEY: Item number 7 is not listed here but I
17:07:21 believe is a misnotice.
17:07:33 >> Do you have a date to propose?
17:07:35 >>JILL FINNEY: April 26th.
17:07:36 >>MARY ALVAREZ: Move to open.
17:07:39 >> Actually, you can't open it.
17:07:48 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Move to reschedule would. That be
17:07:49 the appropriate action?
17:07:51 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Could people in the cable office
17:08:21 please increase the volume?
17:08:22 People in the back of the auditorium are not able to
17:08:25 hear the council members.
17:09:11 >>> According to the affidavit, the petitioner is
17:09:14 attesting that he provided notice to the neighborhood
17:09:17 association on February 20th.
17:09:18 However, the significant of mailing notice attached
17:09:20 does not indicate a name of the association.
17:09:25 >>GWEN MILLER: What do we do?
17:09:26 >>THE CLERK: The appropriate motion would be a
17:09:30 misnotice, you would have to reschedule it.
17:09:32 The public hearing to a date that would allow for
17:09:35 30-day notice, to have petitioner pay the amendment
17:09:40 >>MARY ALVAREZ: Move to reconsider -- or to
17:09:43 reschedule, and pay the amendment fee.
17:09:49 >> April 26th?
17:09:51 >> 6 p.m.
17:09:51 >>GWEN MILLER: 6 p.m.
17:09:53 (Motion carried).
17:09:54 >>JILL FINNEY: Item number 9 has requested a
17:09:59 continuance to July 26th.
17:10:05 >>GWEN MILLER: Is there anyone in the audience who
17:10:07 came to speak on item number 9?
17:10:08 You may speak to the continuance.
17:10:10 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Is petitioner here?
17:10:13 Question for the petitioner, please.
17:10:18 This is continued from January 25th.
17:10:20 How many continuances have there been, to your
17:10:25 >> Todd Simy, the only reason we are asking for a
17:10:29 continuance in this case is because the owner is doing
17:10:31 a refinancing, and has asked us to please continue
17:10:36 this and withdraw some of the money.
17:10:39 >>MARTIN SHELBY: How many continuances have there
17:10:41 been, to your knowledge?
17:10:43 >>> Three or four.
17:10:46 Not sure.
17:10:46 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Do we have a rule to speak to this
17:10:51 or is it council's discretion?
17:11:01 >>GWEN MILLER: How many times it's been continued.
17:11:25 >>> According to the application this was originally
17:11:27 set to be heard on October 26th.
17:11:29 Apparently on that date it could not be heard, it was
17:11:31 rescheduled to January 25th.
17:11:33 And at that meeting it was continued to this evening's
17:11:39 >>> My only concern is because it is being requested
17:11:41 so far out, I was wondering if petitioner would have
17:11:44 any objection to renoticing the affected parties with
17:11:50 that late date.
17:11:51 If you could just state on the record.
17:11:55 >>> We have no objection.
17:11:55 >>MARTIN SHELBY: And that date again so we are clear?
17:12:00 >> July 26th.
17:12:01 >>MARTIN SHELBY: That's the date.
17:12:04 >>> Janice Williams, 1902 west Conrad street,
17:12:08 president of the old West Tampa neighborhood
17:12:09 association crime watch.
17:12:11 This property is in the area.
17:12:14 So I'm glad petitioner wants to continue the hearing
17:12:22 because I drove by the property today and it looks
17:12:24 like the view has changed like it left some RM-16 to
17:12:30 I don't know if that's an error made by the
17:12:33 >>GWEN MILLER: Petitioner, can you explain that?
17:12:49 >>> The last time they came before the board, Mrs.
17:12:52 Alvarez mentioned the West Tampa association, Mr.
17:12:54 Randolph, Mike Randolph, would like to meet with me.
17:12:58 I met with him and the sign was not posted, or it had
17:13:01 fallen down.
17:13:02 And so we had, just so you know, reposted the sign.
17:13:07 And I met with Mike Randolph, addressed any concerns.
17:13:11 The neighborhood is excited about our project.
17:13:13 We are excited about our project.
17:13:14 And did repost the sign.
17:13:18 I did RM-16 to PD and residential.
17:13:21 If I have -- I believe everything is correct there.
17:13:25 We are asking for two duplexes but I will check with
17:13:30 Jill on the renotice to make sure everything is order.
17:13:35 >>> I went to the site a couple of days ago and it did
17:13:37 in fact say AR on the sign.
17:13:39 Originally it said RM-16.
17:13:41 When they reposted it which they didn't need to do but
17:13:44 they did with this new date and everything, it said AR
17:13:47 on it at that point.
17:13:48 I believe probably somebody was trying to rewrite over
17:13:53 what had faded.
17:13:55 The rest of the information is correct.
17:13:56 >>GWEN MILLER: The information is -- okay.
17:14:01 Janice Williams.
17:14:07 >>> Are we going to be meeting with him?
17:14:09 >>GWEN MILLER: Yes.
17:14:10 >>> One other question.
17:14:11 Is something like this to go before the overlay
17:14:18 >> The petitioner will have done that then.
17:14:20 >> I believe he said he had already met with Mr.
17:14:25 >> But I met with Mr. Randolph tonight.
17:14:27 And according to Mr. Randolph, he claimed that
17:14:29 whatever the new request is, it's like starting over
17:14:32 again, and petitioner would have to go before the
17:14:37 overlay, once again.
17:14:40 >> Good.
17:14:44 >>JILL FINNEY: There is no new request, at this time
17:14:46 same one that he had presented.
17:14:47 >>MARY ALVAREZ: It would behoove him to see the
17:14:49 overlay committee again.
17:14:54 Reschedule to July 26th?
17:14:57 >>GWEN MILLER: At 6 p.m.
17:14:58 All in favor of that motion say Aye.
17:15:00 Opposed, Nay.
17:15:01 (Motion carried).
17:15:02 >>JILL FINNEY: Item number 11 has requested to be
17:15:07 continued to May 24th.
17:15:11 >>GWEN MILLER: Is there anyone in the public that
17:15:12 wants to speak on item number 11 on the continuance?
17:15:15 >>MARTIN SHELBY: A question.
17:15:18 This is a continued public hearing. Is petitioner
17:15:22 How many continuances?
17:15:26 How many continuances have there been?
17:15:31 >>> We had some substantial revisions to the planned
17:15:33 and actually what caused the delay was the city's
17:15:35 requirement that we redo the traffic study.
17:15:39 >>MARY ALVAREZ: So it's the second request?
17:15:43 >>> This will be to the third.
17:15:44 The second request for an extension.
17:15:46 >>MARY ALVAREZ: Thank you.
17:15:51 So we are rear scheduling it --
17:15:54 >>GWEN MILLER: May 24th.
17:15:57 >>GWEN MILLER: We need a second.
17:15:58 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Second.
17:16:01 >>MARTIN SHELBY: 6 p.m., correct?
17:16:03 And to be clear there was no one else that wished to
17:16:05 speak to that continuance, correct?
17:16:07 >>GWEN MILLER: Correct.
17:16:08 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Thank you.
17:16:08 >>GWEN MILLER: Item number 11 will be scheduled for
17:16:10 May 24th at 6 p.m.
17:16:12 All in favor of the motion say Aye.
17:16:13 (Motion carried).
17:16:16 >>JILL FINNEY: Item number 12 has misnoticed.
17:16:22 And has requested to be rescheduled for April 26th
17:16:27 which would allow them the 30 days to renotice.
17:16:31 >>GWEN MILLER: Clerk, how is the 26th?
17:16:33 >>THE CLERK: Five rezonings, one continued closure and
17:16:49 one rezoning.
17:16:57 And a workshop.
17:16:59 >>GWEN MILLER: The 26th.
17:17:04 We need a motion to continue.
17:17:06 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Which one?
17:17:07 I'm sorry.
17:17:10 Number 12 cannot be heard.
17:17:11 I don't believe you can continue it.
17:17:13 >>GWEN MILLER: No, rescheduled to April 26th.
17:17:16 >>MARTIN SHELBY: At 6 p.m.?
17:17:17 >>GWEN MILLER: 6 p.m.
17:17:19 >>MARTIN SHELBY: With the amendment fee having to be
17:17:23 Thank you.
17:17:24 >>GWEN MILLER: All in favor?
17:17:25 Opposed Nay?
17:17:26 (Motion carried).
17:17:27 >>JILL FINNEY: Item number 13 has requested a
17:17:29 continuance also to April 26th.
17:17:32 And this would put it if he 14 cases for the night.
17:17:36 So it would require your waiving your rule.
17:17:41 >>GWEN MILLER: Mr. Shelby, do you want to know how
17:17:43 many continuances?
17:17:45 Has six already.
17:17:50 >>> They said we only have eight cases scheduled for
17:17:54 regular rezoning.
17:17:55 So if there's 13 now this would make 14.
17:17:59 >>GWEN MILLER: Not put any more on the 26th.
17:18:01 >>> Exactly.
17:18:02 >>GWEN MILLER: At least 14.
17:18:05 >>MARTIN SHELBY: The council's rules do state ten new
17:18:09 and three continuances.
17:18:11 So staff is telling you that in the aggregate you are
17:18:14 now at the 13.
17:18:15 More continuances than usual.
17:18:17 And if you do wish to add an additional continuance,
17:18:20 you are now over your --
17:18:23 >>GWEN MILLER: We are not going to add anymore.
17:18:27 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I move to waive the rules to allow
17:18:29 us to add this because in the ago rah gather it's not
17:18:32 more than our acceptable limit.
17:18:36 >> This would be --
17:18:38 >>GWEN MILLER: You don't have to waive the rules.
17:18:39 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: You have to waive the rule because
17:18:41 the category but the total number.
17:18:43 >>MARTIN SHELBY: The total number is 13.
17:18:45 This would make 14.
17:18:47 Just so you know.
17:18:51 >>GWEN MILLER: This will be the 14th.
17:18:53 We said we would do 14.
17:18:55 So this will be the last one for the 26th.
17:18:59 Does number 1 count as the 14?
17:19:16 >>> Yes.
17:19:16 >>GWEN MILLER: That includes it.
17:19:18 So no more tonight.
17:19:19 This is the last one.
17:19:22 >>MARY ALVAREZ: Move to continue.
17:19:35 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: In the meantime, see if anyone in
17:19:38 the public has an objection.
17:19:39 >>GWEN MILLER: Is there anyone in the public that
17:19:41 wants to speak to the continuance on item number 13?
17:19:43 Item number 13.
17:19:44 Does anyone want to speak on the continuance?
17:19:47 You need a motion.
17:19:48 >>MARY ALVAREZ: So moved.
17:19:50 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Second.
17:19:51 >>GWEN MILLER: To move item 13 to April 26th at 6
17:19:55 All in favor?
17:19:58 (Motion carried).
17:19:58 >>JILL FINNEY: Item number 14 has been withdrawn.
17:20:02 >>GWEN MILLER: Need a motion.
17:20:03 >>MARY ALVAREZ: Move to withdraw.
17:20:05 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Second.
17:20:07 (Motion carried).
17:20:08 >>GWEN MILLER: We now go back -- any others?
17:20:11 >>JILL FINNEY: I would like to address item number 10.
17:20:13 Staff had some concerns about that, and legal will
17:20:15 speak to it.
17:20:17 >>JULIA COLE: Legal department.
17:20:18 It has come to my attention that item number 10 that
17:20:22 there are a number of objections, including objections
17:20:24 from the FDOT who has requested that this item get
17:20:30 However, I don't think petitioner is here at this
17:20:32 I'm not really sure what the petitioner's position is
17:20:35 as it relates -- and I could be wrong.
17:20:37 I just didn't see -- I don't know what their position
17:20:40 is as relates to this continuance so I know there are
17:20:44 a number of issues including a request by for this
17:20:50 matter to be continued.
17:20:52 I would like to ask if anybody in the audience to
17:20:54 speak to item 10.
17:20:55 >>GWEN MILLER: Is there anyone in the audience going
17:20:57 to speak on item number 10?
17:21:06 >>> I'm going to suggest since petitioner is not here
17:21:09 that we hold onto this until we come to that item.
17:21:11 But it possibly may be continued.
17:21:14 I'm just not really sure.
17:21:16 As I said the petitioner isn't here at this time.
17:21:18 So there's no way to address that issue.
17:21:21 >>GWEN MILLER: Okay.
17:21:22 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: And if someone from legal could
17:21:27 chat with the petitioner, prior to that, and clarify
17:21:32 what the city staff position is, that could expedite
17:21:36 Thank you.
17:21:42 >>GWEN MILLER: I would let you speak but they want to
17:21:43 wait till petitioner comes.
17:21:45 If he comes then we'll come back to you.
17:21:47 Thank you.
17:21:48 Now we go to item number 2.
17:21:50 Need to open number 2.
17:21:51 >> So moved.
17:21:52 >> Second.
17:21:52 (Motion carried).
17:21:53 >>GWEN MILLER: Mr. Shelby?
17:21:56 Would everybody who is going to speak on item 2, 3, 4,
17:21:59 5, 8, 10, would you please stand and raise your right
17:22:04 (Oath administered by Clerk).
17:22:30 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Mr. Clerk, do you have items to
17:22:36 receive and file?
17:22:37 I ask that all written communications relative to
17:22:39 tonight's hearing which has been available for public
17:22:41 inspection in Tampa City Council's office be received
17:22:43 and filed by motion into the record at this time.
17:22:47 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: So moved.
17:22:48 >>MARY ALVAREZ: Second.
17:22:49 (Motion carried).
17:22:50 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Second, a reminder if any member of
17:22:54 council has had any verbal communication with any
17:22:56 petitioner, his or her representative or any member of
17:22:58 the public in connection with any of the tonight's
17:23:00 hearings, please disclose prior to action the
17:23:02 following: The persons, group or entity with whom the
17:23:05 verbal communication occurred, and the substance of
17:23:07 that verbal communication.
17:23:10 And last, ladies and gentlemen, there are a lot of
17:23:12 people here tonight to speed things along and make
17:23:15 things a lot easier and to keep people from having to
17:23:18 interrupt you, I am going to put a little sign on the
17:23:21 lectern to remind you when you state your name, please
17:23:24 reaffirm so it's clear that you have been sworn.
17:23:27 Thank you.
17:23:31 >>JILL FINNEY: Land Development Coordination.
17:23:33 I have been sworn.
17:23:35 We are here tonight on petition Z-07-14, 801 north
17:23:40 Ashley drive, going from CBD-2, central business mixed
17:23:45 use residential retail to CBD2, central business
17:23:49 district mixed user residential hotel, restaurant,
17:23:53 The petitioner is proposing to rezone this property to
17:23:57 central business district 2 with the allowable uses of
17:24:01 hotel, restaurant, uses. The site was previously
17:24:05 approved as petition Z 06-51 which allows for 400
17:24:09 residential units and retail use area.
17:24:11 This request will change the number of residential
17:24:14 units from 400 to 410, and add 135 hotel rooms, making
17:24:20 the number of stories from 247 stories -- and it was
17:24:28 originally 34 in the first approval.
17:24:33 And the lower eleven stories will be used for parking
17:24:36 and the upper 36 to a residential and hotel.
17:24:39 And this will also allow for maximum height of 562
17:24:44 feet six inches.
17:24:46 The project will also contain approximately 10,000
17:24:49 square feet of retail and restaurant use, in the
17:24:53 northwest and southwest corners of the proposed
17:24:57 The front entrance is oriented towards east Cass
17:25:02 This project will provide for 837 parking spaces,
17:25:07 parking which measures about 126 feet in height and
17:25:11 encompasses the lower level eleven stories of the
17:25:14 According to site plan, the project will have 10.4%
17:25:17 open space, and this is due to the previous approval
17:25:20 of the PD which allows for 10%.
17:25:25 Petitioner has committed to meeting the public arts
17:25:27 requirement of the central business district and is
17:25:30 actively pursuing his options with staff.
17:25:39 Here is the zoning of the area.
17:25:45 Here is -- the Grant block is here.
17:26:00 This is the proposed building.
17:26:05 Here is the area, Ashton drive to the west, Tampa to
17:26:10 the east, Cass to the north, and Polk to the south.
17:26:23 Here is the property currently used as a parking lot.
17:26:37 Court yard Marriott is across Cass to the north.
17:26:41 This is the parking structure located west of the
17:26:44 site, next to the library
17:26:57 This is looking east.
17:26:58 And this is looking downcast street from the site.
17:27:07 Staff has removed all of their objections, but parks
17:27:11 and recreation, Greenway Trails, did have some
17:27:13 recommendations for them.
17:27:14 However, these are just comments.
17:27:16 That concludes staff presentation.
17:27:19 >>TONY GARCIA: Planning Commission staff.
17:27:36 I have been sworn in.
17:27:39 Just a few additional comments along with Ms. Finney's
17:27:44 The future land use category is CBD which is central
17:27:47 business district -- CBD for the central business
17:27:52 As she already stated to you, the site adjacent to
17:27:55 element project which is currently just broken ground
17:27:58 and five points project which lies directly to the
17:28:01 south of the subject site.
17:28:03 You have already approved one that came in for
17:28:10 additional enhancement, had 135 hotel units in
17:28:13 addition to ten additional units making this the
17:28:16 tallest of these three particular units.
17:28:18 And why I like to fold in the other two units is
17:28:21 because the applicant before you this evening is also
17:28:23 the developer of SkyPoint and of the element.
17:28:26 And we already know that these are projects that are
17:28:30 actually coming up out of the ground.
17:28:34 Having another significant thing as relates to this
17:28:37 particular site, related to the photographs that Ms.
17:28:40 Finney showed you, is the functionality and design
17:28:42 compatibility for downtown streetscape, particularly
17:28:46 as it relates to this project, if this will be the
17:28:49 tallest of the three projects it is along one of our
17:28:53 significant entrances into the downtown core that is
17:28:56 along Ashley street.
17:28:57 So I believe the pedestrian functionality,
17:29:00 streetscapes, connecting this particular project to
17:29:03 the downtown residential area, which is rapidly
17:29:07 developing, and also to the riverfront, it's
17:29:12 imperative, the riverfront adds total character of
17:29:18 Planning Commission staff has no objections to the
17:29:20 proposed request.
17:29:21 >>GWEN MILLER: Petitioner?
17:29:30 >>> Truett Gardner, 101 South Franklin street.
17:29:33 Since this is a modification that was approved last
17:29:36 April I'll be briefing.
17:29:38 Also looking behind me what you have got.
17:29:40 I wanted to briefly touch on the two major components
17:29:43 to the modification.
17:29:47 >> I think they are all here in objection.
17:29:49 [ Laughter ]
17:29:51 >>> But the first component as mentioned is the hotel.
17:29:53 And Jake Rand is going to touch on it more but the
17:29:58 concept is called twelve.
17:30:00 They opened up their first one in Atlanta just over a
17:30:02 year ago.
17:30:03 And just so you know it was already named one of Conde
17:30:07 Nast top hotels of the world.
17:30:13 We were in front of you last April with a completely
17:30:15 different design, and Greg mender is going to touch on
17:30:20 the pedestrian experience as well as the building
17:30:21 itself, which we value and hold of utmost importance.
17:30:27 So with that I'll turn it over to Jay.
17:30:31 >>MARY ALVAREZ: Mr. Gardner, just for building all
17:30:35 these tremendous, beautiful buildings, what's
17:30:37 happening to the parking for the public out there?
17:30:42 >>> Actually, you may remember, an element, under
17:30:45 construction now, as well as in this building, we are
17:30:48 displacing Teco parking, and as a result we are
17:30:51 incorporating those back into these two buildings.
17:30:53 So 190 spaces in each of the two buildings will be
17:30:56 provided for 380 total.
17:30:58 TECO has been generous to allow those to be used for
17:31:02 the public nights and weekends.
17:31:04 So not only TECO and provide their parking but also to
17:31:06 the public at large.
17:31:09 With that I turn it over to Jay and Mr. Gray.
17:31:12 >>MARY ALVAREZ: Thank you very much.
17:31:13 >>> Jay Grand from The River in Atlanta. I have been
17:31:20 sworn in.
17:31:20 Thank you for letting us come before you.
17:31:22 We are fortunate to be here again and very excited
17:31:24 about SkyPoint and Element, and how they become a key
17:31:30 part of downtown.
17:31:30 We think we have an opportunity to again provide
17:31:32 something to downtown cultural arts district.
17:31:35 Unique in design as well as in product.
17:31:39 The twelve hotel and residential is a product
17:31:43 developed and opened the beginning of last year, and
17:31:46 as Truett mentioned, we have been very fortunate to
17:31:49 receive a lot of positive feedback on this, one of
17:31:53 only 15 hotels in the United States mentioned in Conde
17:31:56 Nast nest.
17:31:58 So we are very excited about the product, and think
17:32:00 that through urban design to temporary homes and the
17:32:05 use of proprietary technology we have been able to
17:32:08 create a unique living experience.
17:32:10 We were able to bring homes again that are commonly
17:32:14 only available in older high-end luxury products,
17:32:19 where you can actually have the amenities of the
17:32:22 hotel, housekeeping services, maid services, valet
17:32:27 services, and room services, from a full-serve
17:32:29 destination restaurant, which will be in the base of
17:32:31 the tower, to your residence.
17:32:34 And so it's truly a unique opportunity for people to
17:32:38 be able to afford the kind of amenities and luxuries
17:32:41 that are often only available in a very high end
17:32:46 So we are very excited about the twelve product and
17:32:49 think that there's a lot that it will be to the
17:32:51 neighborhood and we are very excited about the Twelve,
17:32:54 the cultural arts district, and how this piece fits in
17:32:58 with the Element.
17:32:59 So I don't want to spend a lot of time, but I would
17:33:03 love for you to look into the twelve product, the
17:33:09 Anytime you have a chance to.
17:33:10 But I would really like to focus on the evolution of
17:33:13 the design of our product as well and hope you -- help
17:33:19 you understand how we are complementing the design,
17:33:22 the Element on the adjacent properties, but still
17:33:24 bringing a new design and something fresh to the
17:33:27 We think you will enjoy it.
17:33:29 With that I'll turn it over to gray.
17:33:34 >>> Greg minder, Intown group, Ashley drive, I have
17:33:37 been sworn.
17:33:38 I am actually going to go on the design -- is this
17:33:44 >>GWEN MILLER: Yes, it will come on.
17:33:46 >>> Luckily, we are here to present another project,
17:33:49 and one of the great things that we have had an
17:33:51 opportunity to do is to look at this area holistically
17:33:56 and look at multiple and adjacent structures, and have
17:34:00 the ability to master plan several parcels of land and
17:34:04 make sure that our adjacent uses are being measured,
17:34:10 acknowledged and responded to architecturally and
17:34:12 And I'll explore those as I kind of go through the
17:34:15 design of the building.
17:34:18 As mentioned before, it's a unique opportunity.
17:34:20 It is an important side of the gateway through Ashley
17:34:26 drive, it's catter corners to the new Central Park and
17:34:32 the city Riverfront Park that's across from the
17:34:36 children's museum, directly across from Poe garage,
17:34:39 than so some of the design elements across Ashley
17:34:41 drive are on the corners because directly across the
17:34:44 street is the entrance to a parking deck.
17:34:46 So acknowledging that we want to really activate the
17:34:48 corners of the building.
17:34:49 We also want to acknowledge the macro level that Cass
17:34:52 Street, be it much of a prominent east-west corridor,
17:34:59 it will between the northern end of Hyde Park all the
17:35:02 way to Channelside, a very unique opportunity, and the
17:35:07 transportation department but also in the way we have
17:35:08 designed our building.
17:35:13 Hotel guests and guests of the billing in general has
17:35:15 been acknowledged meaning that typical arrival will be
17:35:18 from Ashley drive exit on 275, coming down the Ashley
17:35:22 drive gateway corridor and recognition of an entrance
17:35:27 without having to make a U-turn, dictated where we
17:35:30 pick up on the drop-off area for the building.
17:35:32 The entry for the building functionally is along Cass
17:35:37 but formally along Ashley, which is truly the front of
17:35:40 the building.
17:35:41 You can see that architecturally, you probably can't
17:35:44 tell that in your rezoning plans.
17:35:46 It's only possible to show it to the architecture of
17:35:48 the building.
17:35:49 We have rezoning plans here.
17:35:50 But we are only going to speak from the functional --
17:35:54 a functional piece first, which is the footprint of
17:35:57 the building to explain how all these uses very
17:36:00 exhaustively have been studied and fit in very
17:36:03 uniquely and tightly into a very small walk.
17:36:07 And as you can imagine with a building of this stature
17:36:11 and significant, to represent its style not only at
17:36:16 the base of the building, but himself to the skyline.
17:36:19 It is a building that will always have a prominent
17:36:22 skyline as you view it from the west to the east.
17:36:25 It's the arrival corridor for anybody flying in by
17:36:28 And it's the arrival corridor for anybody arriving
17:36:32 from riverwalk.
17:36:33 And experience field goal building as they come east
17:36:38 from the Performing Arts Center.
17:36:39 So we have some significant things to do and I think
17:36:42 you will see that in our design.
17:36:43 Without further ado, I will go into the design itself.
17:36:47 To orient you on this board, Tampa street is to my
17:36:50 Ashley to your left, I should say.
17:36:55 Cass to the north here.
17:36:56 And then Polk with a rail line immediately to the
17:37:02 You will see, as I mentioned, the arrival sequence for
17:37:05 vehicular -- I guess vehicular arrival will be along
17:37:10 One of the other things we know, as people move into
17:37:13 downtown, as downtown he involves, more people will
17:37:16 approach this building from a pedestrian standpoint.
17:37:18 We have worked very hard and very diligently to move
17:37:21 and shift the building inside the property line along
17:37:23 the south, which is a very narrow right-of-way and
17:37:27 sidewalk in order to accomplish at least 10, I think a
17:37:32 12-foot sidewalk along the south, along Tampa street
17:37:36 and along Ashley drive to enhance that streetscape
17:37:39 doing the arrival gateway. That was very important.
17:37:43 We wanted to activate this corridor, or corner, for
17:37:46 the corridor of Ashley drive, with outdoor seating,
17:37:50 and for this restaurant space, and more activity along
17:37:53 the front with the lobby of the building.
17:37:57 Actually we do know the name of this restaurant, the
17:38:01 operator, and we are in full design.
17:38:03 It's going to be a cafe team that you are going to be
17:38:07 presented with.
17:38:07 Everybody likes to do that because we hope we will
17:38:09 have it already in the process of designing this for a
17:38:12 particular operator.
17:38:13 So it's part of the brand, part of what we know we are
17:38:16 bringing to this.
17:38:17 It's not open to conjecture.
17:38:23 It's actually going to be part of the building. This
17:38:25 portion of the building down here is another retail
17:38:30 It is the corner of Ashley over to Polk, which is very
17:38:34 important as well, because as I mentioned earlier, you
17:38:37 really will view this building as pedestrian and
17:38:43 coming from west to east, on the corners.
17:38:46 Coming from the park and coming from Cass.
17:38:48 So it's important to note as when look at the
17:38:51 architecture, and then we put some functional space as
17:38:54 long Polk to match our functional spaces.
17:38:57 Our service entry for SkyPoint is here.
17:39:00 We are able to match that on the other side so that
17:39:02 Polk begins to be not a back door, but at least a
17:39:05 functionally successful corridor.
17:39:09 It's a very narrow window to the street.
17:39:11 So we do keep that pedestrian experience strong, but
17:39:14 we do at least make it easy for service vehicles to
17:39:18 make it down one corridor as opposed to multiple
17:39:23 We then move down the building and activate the corner
17:39:26 through displays and internally controlled light
17:39:30 atmosphere so there's a pre-function space here, and I
17:39:34 mentioned ballroom, and it really is more of a
17:39:36 ballroom than a meeting space.
17:39:38 It's programmed to be more event driven, convention or
17:39:42 large meeting driven.
17:39:43 The reason I say that -- and I have walked it, the
17:39:49 people will experience in the building, it's important
17:39:51 the transportation as we worked through a lot of
17:39:53 wishes them and staff, to how vehicles line up the
17:39:56 building, how are they controlled, and one of the
17:39:58 things I can tell you other than TECO employees, the
17:40:03 building will be greeted by valet, so when you enter
17:40:08 this deck that everybody in the -- entering this deck
17:40:11 will actually know where they are going, which is
17:40:13 important, that allows to us really functionally
17:40:16 design the interior space in the lower portion of the
17:40:21 As we work our way around Tampa street we were able to
17:40:24 work with the Department of Transportation and the
17:40:26 curb cut entry and exit, splitting them into exit and
17:40:29 an entry.
17:40:30 That allows to us get our stacking distances, allow
17:40:32 for even flow of traffic, peak and off-peak hours of
17:40:38 Tampa street without disrupting the flow.
17:40:41 All the ingress is on Cass Street, for anybody who is
17:40:44 a TECO employee or visitor can go in from the valet
17:40:48 So that made a lot of sense.
17:40:50 You will see this little outcrop both in plan and the
17:40:54 Those are elevators for the valet for TECO employees
17:40:58 to access their building directly down the street
17:41:00 through lower levels of the parking deck. The lobby
17:41:02 of the building for all residences and for the hotel
17:41:06 faces onto Cass for making it a very active corridor
17:41:09 which as we said is going to become more of a
17:41:12 prominent corridor.
17:41:13 This is not too atypical for hotel design keeping all
17:41:16 the vehicles off of Ashley street, really focusing
17:41:19 that type of movement onto Cass, et cetera.
17:41:22 So without taking too much longer, this is the base of
17:41:27 the building.
17:41:28 The style of the building is very art decco.
17:41:32 It's limited to several other more urban art decco
17:41:36 This would not be South Beach but more of a classic
17:41:39 art decco.
17:41:40 This is Cass Street here, and Ashley drive here.
17:41:44 Again we pulled back the building along Ashley to
17:41:47 provide strong pedestrian experience, with the full
17:41:52 rendering of the building, how that portion comes down
17:41:55 to the ground.
17:41:57 It really establishes the tower's presence along
17:42:00 This corner here is that restaurant space.
17:42:03 What we have done also architecturally is set up a
17:42:06 rhythm that creates an illusion of multiple
17:42:09 Much more organic type of design block that looks like
17:42:13 multiple buildings from a pedestrian standpoint, but
17:42:16 it's very successful as a tower as well and skyline.
17:42:18 So very important to make those movements.
17:42:22 This is the elevator component that I mentioned a
17:42:24 moment ago creating an architectural feature rather
17:42:27 than turning it back to the street.
17:42:30 To enhance the way we brought back down the lower
17:42:33 level along Cass.
17:42:34 You can see they make a vertical elegant movement just
17:42:39 above the main entry canopy on south and I know
17:42:43 everybody will be concerned how this works on Ashley.
17:42:57 This is the building itself.
17:42:59 You can see it coming down to the ground on Ashley
17:43:01 with an architectural to the main entrance here on
17:43:05 Ashley drive.
17:43:09 Another movement that is anchored for the separate
17:43:13 By this retail here.
17:43:15 So that the retail base of the building becomes the
17:43:19 lobby of the second building, if that gives you any
17:43:22 idea how we represent that massing.
17:43:24 So as you walk in and experience the building, the
17:43:28 pedestrian, you walk by what would be the lobby of the
17:43:31 small building.
17:43:33 Then the gesture of the main tower comes down to the
17:43:37 ground and its main address on Ashley, turning the
17:43:40 corner around cafe and into the lobby of the building.
17:43:42 Then more massing being broken down by the elevators
17:43:47 here on this corner.
17:43:48 You can tell we have taken the art decco style and
17:43:51 moved it into the tower itself.
17:43:52 We have already introduced some contemporary elements
17:43:55 that allows it to balance itself. I think that's part
17:43:57 of the design philosophy bringing temporary designed
17:44:00 and bringing in some character of that reminiscent of
17:44:04 a different ERA.
17:44:08 We think we pulled that off relatively successfully.
17:44:11 We are still working and tweaking our design.
17:44:14 We are working with Wilson much further on this.
17:44:16 Again this corner here, the building facing over to
17:44:18 the park, and this corner here facing the arrival
17:44:23 gateway, we felt were very dominant corners, and then
17:44:27 the tower sits to the north of the site so that there
17:44:29 is a large amenity back here.
17:44:33 We do know we have a large structure across the street
17:44:36 from the Kibbin hotel and we discussed the design with
17:44:40 them and are very happy about the way we are
17:44:41 approaching this because again like we have taken the
17:44:43 service corridor and said, this makes sense to make
17:44:46 service vehicles move along this street.
17:44:48 This is the valet pickup and drop-off for the hotels
17:44:53 which works complimentary across the street.
17:44:58 We have done some planning and those are lower level
17:45:02 massings, so we can not really compete, if you will,
17:45:05 in that both for natural light or any other kind of
17:45:11 And we have turned the building from the long access
17:45:14 to be more east-west.
17:45:16 Again allowing more natural light back into the city
17:45:19 the interior blocks, if you will, while still
17:45:21 allowing, you know, a very grand exposure along Ashley
17:45:25 And I think that's significant.
17:45:28 The skyline.
17:45:31 It also creates a greater distance separation from the
17:45:33 SkyPoint tower so that residents from both buildings
17:45:37 will have that open air and that open space that they
17:45:40 need to feel safe and secure and comfortable with the
17:45:45 So I think we have had an opportunity to do all of
17:45:47 that, because luckily we have been able to grow this
17:45:53 With that I will open it to questions and comments
17:46:00 from council.
17:46:02 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Maybe you said it about the retail.
17:46:05 The retail exposed with a door to the outside.
17:46:11 >>> Absolutely.
17:46:12 This retail here along Ashley is meant to be from the
17:46:16 base or lobby to that architectural movement.
17:46:25 >>GWEN MILLER: I couldn't see that.
17:46:40 >>> This gray area right here.
17:46:42 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: This is really exciting.
17:46:43 It's beautiful.
17:46:44 It reminds me of the Waldorf Astoria.
17:46:48 I think it's stunning and I think it's terrific that
17:46:50 you are complementing your own building immediately to
17:46:54 the south.
17:46:55 After years of this being a surface parking lot, I
17:46:57 can't imagine a more dramatic improvement to the
17:47:02 This is going to be a tremendous coup for you all and
17:47:08 the city.
17:47:09 Thank you.
17:47:09 >>GWEN MILLER: Is there anyone from the public that
17:47:13 wants to speak on item number 2?
17:47:16 >> Move to close.
17:47:17 >>GWEN MILLER: If you are going to speak, would you
17:47:18 please come up?
17:47:19 If anybody is going to speak, please get up and come
17:47:25 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Could you please put the board
17:47:28 >>GWEN MILLER: Put your name on the record sir.
17:47:30 >>> Jason ball, 5802.
17:47:36 I want to make a commentary.
17:47:39 They did an excellent job in helping build the
17:47:41 northern end of downtown.
17:47:43 I also commend them on a quality design on a gateway,
17:47:46 important location in downtown.
17:47:48 A building that's going to be seen by everybody in
17:47:50 this area for probably at least the next 20, 30 years.
17:47:53 So just want to commend them for a very good job in
17:47:57 the city on the work you have been doing downtown.
17:48:03 >>MARY ALVAREZ: Mr. Minder?
17:48:08 Do you have any affordable components in here, like
17:48:12 for workforce housing and so on?
17:48:15 Or just pretty much like a luxury hotel?
17:48:20 >>> This product won't be focused 100% toward
17:48:23 attainable housing.
17:48:24 We don't have an affordable component.
17:48:26 We were able in our previous two projects to provide
17:48:29 market rate affordable, which could do but due to the
17:48:35 type of services that are added into this product, it
17:48:38 is not 100% geared toward that.
17:48:40 But as Jay mentioned earlier it's also not super
17:48:43 luxury and it's really focused on providing a level of
17:48:46 service at a much discounted value to what you
17:48:50 would -- any other type of product that would provide
17:48:52 those services.
17:48:54 So if that answers your question.
17:48:57 It's not affordable.
17:48:58 We are trying to anchor it toward attainable luxury
17:49:01 rather than attainable product.
17:49:03 >>MARY ALVAREZ: I'm just in awe, the building is so
17:49:09 It will certainly be the gateway to downtown Tampa
17:49:11 coming in from the west.
17:49:12 Thank you for the design.
17:49:14 It's beautiful.
17:49:16 >>FRANK REDDICK: I have a question.
17:49:18 You say market rate affordable.
17:49:22 Explain to me what is market rate affordable?
17:49:24 >>> The City of Tampa's affordable figure, 120% of
17:49:28 median is currently 226,000.
17:49:31 We were able to, without any subsidies, add any grants
17:49:34 or city dollars or any additional support outside of
17:49:38 our own financing, provide elements below that rate.
17:49:44 So we were lucky enough to do that at Scott point.
17:49:47 We anchored 15% of the building and we have several
17:49:51 homes in the Element project that were below 226,000.
17:49:55 So that's what I mean by market rate affordable.
17:50:00 It's a very difficult thing to provide those type of
17:50:05 price points without getting any kind of subsidies.
17:50:09 >> So the bottom line, if I were interested in getting
17:50:11 one of those -- (laughter) and it would start at a
17:50:20 minimum of 200,000?
17:50:23 >>> This project we have not priced yet.
17:50:27 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I just wanted to thank you for
17:50:29 making this kind of investment in what's going to be
17:50:32 the most beautiful corridor.
17:50:35 I think Ashley is going to be the downtown notable
17:50:41 And because of the -- that you put into the design
17:50:45 it's going to be a wonderful -- it will be reflect in
17:50:49 the investment that the city is making a cross the
17:50:51 street on the west side with our museum and park.
17:50:54 So thank you.
17:50:54 >>GWEN MILLER: Did anyone else want to speak on item
17:50:56 number 2?
17:50:57 >>MARY ALVAREZ: Move to close.
17:50:59 >> Second.
17:50:59 (Motion carried).
17:51:17 >>GWEN MILLER: Do you have an ordinance?
17:51:18 >> Move an ordinance rezoning property in the general
17:51:21 vicinity of 801 north Ashley drive in the city of
17:51:24 Tampa, Florida more particularly described in section
17:51:26 1 from zoning district classifications CBD-2 mixed use
17:51:31 residential to CBD-2 central business district mixed
17:51:34 use residential, hotel, restaurant, retail, providing
17:51:37 an effective date.
17:51:38 >>GWEN MILLER: I have a motion and second.
17:51:40 (Motion carried).
17:51:41 Mr. Fletcher has an announcement he needs to make.
17:51:45 >>CHARLES FLETCHER: Yes.
17:51:46 In the Jack Jackson street, someone we believe may be
17:51:50 attending has blocked in one of the assistant city
17:51:54 attorneys who is working late and they are blocked in
17:51:56 by a gray Volkswagen bug.
17:51:59 If anybody here has a car by that description, the
17:52:01 Jackson street lot, if you would please move it before
17:52:03 he talks to somebody else.
17:52:06 [ Laughter ]
17:52:13 >>GWEN MILLER: Okay.
17:52:15 Thank you.
17:52:16 Are you ready?
17:52:17 We need to open item number 3.
17:52:18 >>MARY ALVAREZ: So moved.
17:52:20 >> Second.
17:52:20 (Motion carried).
17:52:30 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Is that a typo, TM-16?
17:52:33 >>JILL FINNEY: Land Development Coordination.
17:52:41 I have been sworn.
17:52:42 We are here on petition number Z-07-15.
17:52:45 Located at 1810 North Armenia Avenue going from RM-16
17:52:52 residential multifamily to CI commercial intensive.
17:52:55 There are no waivers allowed with this petition.
17:52:59 It is a Euclidean rezoning and also there's no site
17:53:02 plan for to you review.
17:53:04 Petitioner is proposing to rezone the property to
17:53:07 allow for a higher intensity use on the site.
17:53:10 The 8,836 square foot site is located in an RM-16
17:53:15 zoning district and surrounded by a mix of commercial
17:53:19 uses to the north, east, south, residential single
17:53:23 families to the west.
17:53:24 And actually south of the site is a residential unit.
17:53:30 This is a Euclidean request.
17:53:32 And as I said before, it must be able to meet our
17:53:34 requirements within a CI zoning district.
17:54:04 This is Armenia to the east, chestnut to the north.
17:54:14 Here is a picture of the subject property.
17:54:17 This is chestnut street.
17:54:20 And here is the structure on the site.
17:54:24 Had to take it driving 30 miles an hour.
17:54:34 Here are a few -- of the cars abutting going down
17:54:41 chestnut association bungalow style.
17:54:49 This is located to the north of the site on chestnut
17:54:52 directly across.
17:54:59 This is directly across the street.
17:55:01 And here's another on Armenia.
17:55:07 Staff has some concerns about -- staff has serious
17:55:09 concerns about the rezoning of the petition because of
17:55:13 the fact that it's located in the West Tampa overlay
17:55:17 We don't fully feel that CI intensity uses on this
17:55:23 site will meet the intent of the code.
17:55:25 And I just wanted to give an example.
17:55:30 On Armenia to the north a couple blocks, here are some
17:55:33 examples of car lots which would be an out outside use
17:55:38 on this site.
17:55:42 Different view.
17:55:43 I do want to mention that this is a legal
17:55:45 nonconforming lot, so it does not even meet the 10,000
17:55:51 square foot minimum that is required with a general CI
17:55:55 >>GWEN MILLER: Go ahead.
17:55:59 >>ABBYE FEELEY: It was grandfathered in.
17:56:01 And, therefore, it was allowed to rezone with the
17:56:07 amount of square footage that it had.
17:56:09 However, I do want to bring that to your attention
17:56:11 because it's going to be extremely difficult for them
17:56:13 to meet the site requirements, the landscaping, on
17:56:17 this size lot, and transportation, everything else,
17:56:21 seeing that there are residential uses directly
17:56:23 abutting on both sides.
17:56:26 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Obviously, staff feels that what's
17:56:30 being proposed is too intense.
17:56:32 What kind of Euclidean zoning would you be comfortable
17:56:35 >>ABBYE FEELEY: Even if it had a site plan, if it was
17:56:39 a site plan zoning so we could kind of monitor what it
17:56:42 was that was going to be there, something less
17:56:45 intensive, even a low intensive office, something like
17:56:52 A car lot, auto mechanic shop can go here.
17:56:56 There's a big array of things that can be placed here.
17:57:01 It's just not compatible in our opinion.
17:57:03 >>GWEN MILLER: Planning Commission staff?
17:57:05 >>MARY ALVAREZ: Why did the petitioner ask for a CI?
17:57:08 >>ABBYE FEELEY: Because -- I'll let petitioner speak
17:57:13 to that, but I believe that according to the -- if you
17:57:17 look to the north and to the south on the zoning, here
17:57:25 is a CI component and down here as well.
17:57:27 By the looks of it, you would think it may be --
17:57:33 however, from a planning perspective, I don't feel
17:57:35 that that sort of intensity is appropriate in this
17:57:38 Do you see a lot of rezonings scattered throughout.
17:57:41 But those are all the residential rezonings, PD.
17:57:47 That concludes my presentation.
17:57:50 >>GWEN MILLER: Thank you.
17:57:57 >>TONY GARCIA: Planning Commission staff.
17:57:58 I have been sworn in.
17:58:04 The site in question does lie within the old West
17:58:06 Tampa historic district and is in proximity to the
17:58:10 intersection of Main Street and North Armenia Avenue.
17:58:14 Just two blocks to the north of this particular
17:58:18 Looking at the land use categories, we'll see that the
17:58:20 land use category along Armenia as well as Howard is
17:58:23 heavy commercial 24.
17:58:24 A lot of that is to be reflective of some of the uses
17:58:28 that have been there for many, many years, prior to
17:58:31 the redevelopment trend that's been occurring along
17:58:33 these commercial corridors in West Tampa.
17:58:35 The land use category is residential 35 and this is
17:58:39 residential 20.
17:58:40 This actually has a light industrial land use category
17:58:44 over here.
17:58:45 Let me go ahead and show you the aerial.
17:58:50 To give you a little more context.
17:58:52 This is the site in question which starts out, what
17:58:54 appears to be a residential unit on-site right now,
17:58:56 and a vacant lot, and directly abuts another
17:58:59 residential unit.
17:59:00 There's a church one block to the south of the site
17:59:03 over here.
17:59:05 This would be the Moho restaurant.
17:59:10 And of course to the north is the Santa Elia cigar
17:59:15 factory for those of us familiar with West Tampa.
17:59:18 And of course a lot of these vacant lots that we see
17:59:20 over here are now being filled in with a lot of new
17:59:24 single-family residential homes.
17:59:27 Approved by this council.
17:59:31 Relating to the character of the area, granted the
17:59:33 heavy commercial 24 land use category does allow
17:59:36 consideration of CI zoning district.
17:59:37 However in, this particular case, one must be cautious
17:59:43 in realizing the potential use that is can go into a
17:59:46 CI category, particularly with the redevelopment trend
17:59:48 that's been going on, on these particular commercial
17:59:52 What we have primarily seen over here is really what
17:59:55 Ms. Finney has recommended to council this evening as
17:59:57 far as an alternative zoning category which would be
18:00:00 something along residential office, because that
18:00:03 seemed to be the predominant use that has been
18:00:05 requested, especially for parcels of this size.
18:00:10 Planning Commission staff feels that the request would
18:00:13 allow all kinds of commercial intensive uses, which do
18:00:17 include used car lots, warehousing, outdoor storage,
18:00:23 special attention must be paid to the Euclidean zoning
18:00:26 If this were to be granted there's no guarantee that
18:00:29 the type of use that would be desirous of the people
18:00:31 that live in West Tampa and of course the entities
18:00:34 that have been sworn to represent West Tampa district
18:00:38 and what they have created in West Tampa overlay
18:00:41 guidelines would be followed by this particular
18:00:43 Based on those findings Planning Commission staff
18:00:45 finds the proposed inconsistent with the comprehensive
18:00:51 >>MARY ALVAREZ: Inconsistent?
18:00:52 How come the planning report shows that you have no
18:00:59 >>TONY GARCIA: Inconsistent.
18:01:01 >>MARY ALVAREZ: The report shows no objection.
18:01:11 >>> I apologize.
18:01:12 He hasn't attached the report of the zone.
18:01:17 >>MARY ALVAREZ: So it's -- all right.
18:01:24 >>> I don't know which one you are reading from.
18:01:26 >>MARY ALVAREZ: The report we get to look at.
18:01:28 The report of petition to rezone.
18:01:37 69 city.
18:01:37 Didn't give us one.
18:01:39 Mr. Fletcher?
18:01:40 >>CHARLES FLETCHER: Just so I'm clear.
18:01:44 You identify some areas that are CI presently.
18:01:48 But I think if I followed you correctly, much of that
18:01:52 while zoned CI is not actively commercial intensive.
18:01:57 A restaurant within a zoned CI area, a church, but
18:02:04 many of those are actually not functioning as
18:02:06 commercial intensive right now.
18:02:07 >>TONY GARCIA: Correct, Mr. Fletcher.
18:02:10 Basically what you are seeing, it's not reflected
18:02:13 necessarily in the zoning district.
18:02:14 CI would allow of course less intensive uses in the CG
18:02:18 and of course even the RO, professional office zoning
18:02:22 That's correct.
18:02:23 >>GWEN MILLER: Petitioner?
18:02:32 >>> Carlos Castilla, I'm representing.
18:02:42 And we know the pictures and everything, they show,
18:02:47 the only thing I can tell you, asking for rezoning so
18:02:51 they can have higher return when they sell.
18:02:56 Trying to get for an office building so like he got an
18:03:03 offer for the lot.
18:03:05 Being CG.
18:03:10 The only thing to say, he wants to sell.
18:03:16 The way you obtain high is CG.
18:03:23 I don't know what else to say.
18:03:27 >>MARY ALVAREZ: What is it that he wanted to put on
18:03:33 >>> He got an offer on the lot.
18:03:35 >> So he wants to sell it.
18:03:37 >>> Yes.
18:03:38 But the offer was commercial intensity.
18:03:46 >> So you don't know what the new person that bought
18:03:50 the lot, you don't know --
18:03:52 >>> They say probably a car dealer.
18:03:54 >> A what?
18:03:55 >>> Car dealer.
18:03:56 >>MARY ALVAREZ: Car dealer?
18:04:00 >>> That's what he told me.
18:04:01 And I told him --
18:04:06 >> Does that man not know there's all kind of in-fill
18:04:09 going in there like new homes?
18:04:12 >>> Excuse me?
18:04:13 >> Does the man that's bought this property -- is he
18:04:16 Dipping dinghy don't think he bought it yet.
18:04:18 >>MARY ALVAREZ: Well, whoever.
18:04:21 Does he know there's a lot of homes going on right
18:04:23 behind there?
18:04:24 >>> Oh, yeah.
18:04:25 >> And he still wants to put a car dealer?
18:04:27 >>> The guy who wants to buy it, I think, I don't know
18:04:30 who he is, I don't have no idea.
18:04:32 I just know he changed his mind because they offered
18:04:37 good money for the lot.
18:04:38 He change it to make it -- he told me, the guy try to
18:04:45 put a car dealer there.
18:04:47 >>GWEN MILLER: Is there anyone in the public that
18:04:48 wants to speak on item number 3?
18:05:00 >>> Janice Williams.
18:05:01 I have been sworn in.
18:05:02 1902 west Conrad street.
18:05:05 President of the old West Tampa neighborhood
18:05:08 Crime watch.
18:05:09 My association is to the east of the location of the
18:05:16 That area is really handled by McFarland park.
18:05:23 At this point in time, this request is not something
18:05:28 that I can support.
18:05:28 As you all very well know, old West Tampa and the
18:05:31 surrounding area is undergoing redevelopment.
18:05:36 With that comes new homes.
18:05:39 So my primary concern would be to ensure that there
18:05:45 are homes for people to live in, whether they rent or
18:05:50 So I'm sure that's not something that petitioner wants
18:05:52 to do.
18:05:53 But at this point in time, you know, I'm not the
18:05:56 primary association but I would be affected by it, and
18:06:00 it's not something we would support.
18:06:03 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I have a question for Ms. Cole.
18:06:07 In the staff report, I understood that the property
18:06:12 where this change is being requested doesn't meet the
18:06:14 legal size for this particular zoning, or land use.
18:06:20 Could you elaborate on that?
18:06:22 >>JULIA COLE: Legal depth department.
18:06:24 What I understand is that this is a legal lot of
18:06:27 record, and the zoning administrator, Cathy Coyle, had
18:06:30 determined that in order for this petition to move
18:06:32 forward that because it was the legal lot of record
18:06:35 they could move forward requesting this zoning
18:06:37 classification even though it didn't comply with the
18:06:39 standard requirements.
18:06:42 Why she came to that conclusion, that's an answer I
18:06:44 don't have for you.
18:06:45 But to even walk in the door, so to speak.
18:06:51 It is wholly within your purview to determine whether
18:06:53 or not this is compatible with the surrounding area.
18:06:56 It's consistent with the comprehensive plan first and
18:06:58 far most, compatible with the surrounding area and
18:07:03 something one of the things you can make in making a
18:07:05 decision is this is a smaller lot than you are
18:07:08 normally allowed to have CRA and that is part of your
18:07:10 consideration and conclusion.
18:07:12 I remind you that the Planning Commission found this
18:07:14 inconsistent with the comprehensive plan, Mr. Garcia,
18:07:16 as well as staff finding this particular use not in
18:07:21 compliance with our requirements.
18:07:23 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Thank you.
18:07:24 >>MARY ALVAREZ: I'm very familiar with this lot.
18:07:30 It was exactly one block from where my parents had
18:07:34 their home and where I was born and raised in.
18:07:39 And this lot is just not big enough for a car dealer
18:07:42 or a car lot.
18:07:44 I'm surprised that he's even trying for that.
18:07:47 So I don't know if we are ready to talk about this.
18:07:52 >>GWEN MILLER: Petitioner, do you want rebuttal?
18:07:58 >>> Castilla.
18:07:59 If CI doesn't, can we move to the a lower intensity
18:08:02 like an office, really an office.
18:08:08 Can we move it to that?
18:08:10 >>GWEN MILLER: You can't do it tonight.
18:08:12 You have to go back and refile.
18:08:14 >>> Yeah.
18:08:14 >>GWEN MILLER: You have to refile.
18:08:15 You can't do it tonight.
18:08:21 >>JULIA COLE: Just so you know, if you do decide to
18:08:23 deny this today, he would not be able to come back for
18:08:25 a year to reapply on this property.
18:08:28 The other option would be to continue this for a
18:08:32 period of time to allow him to amend his site plan.
18:08:38 >>MARY ALVAREZ: It's not a site plan.
18:08:41 >>> I'm sorry to. Amend the petition to a different
18:08:43 classification or maybe a PD.
18:08:45 Those would be your options.
18:08:48 >>GWEN MILLER: To me, this is a neighborhood where
18:08:50 nothing but single-family homes.
18:08:52 I still can't see an office put in there right in the
18:08:55 middle of a neighborhood.
18:08:57 You need to come up with something different than that
18:08:59 maybe, sin will-family home, not an office.
18:09:05 >>MARY ALVAREZ: A little professional office or
18:09:09 >> Or restaurant.
18:09:10 >>GWEN MILLER: Little restaurant.
18:09:11 I agree with a restaurant, yeah.
18:09:14 >>MARY ALVAREZ: But not a scar car lot.
18:09:17 That's not what we are looking for.
18:09:19 >>GWEN MILLER: Mr. Dingfelder?
18:09:21 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I think we are all in agreement.
18:09:23 I think that I'm going to go ahead and move for
18:09:29 continuance, give him 120 days.
18:09:31 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Second.
18:09:33 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: To come back with a different plan,
18:09:35 a different category, either a PD, or a far less
18:09:38 intensive category.
18:09:42 And I think there's plenty of opportunity on that
18:09:44 location for all sorts of other uses that aren't
18:09:48 commercial intensive.
18:09:51 >>GWEN MILLER: What day would that be?
18:09:52 >>ABBYE FEELEY: I'm not sure we have our agenda out
18:09:58 that far.
18:09:58 120 days?
18:10:00 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Four months.
18:10:01 >>ABBYE FEELEY: You have July, August.
18:10:06 August 9th.
18:10:09 That would work.
18:10:10 >>GWEN MILLER: August 9th.
18:10:11 Need a motion.
18:10:13 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: That's my motion.
18:10:14 >>GWEN MILLER: Did Ms. Cole want to say something?
18:10:17 >>JULIA COLE: A little unusual to do this but given
18:10:19 this record, it may be appropriate.
18:10:21 However, I would recommend that part of your motion is
18:10:23 to require this applicant to renotice, specifically
18:10:27 because it sounds like he will be changing his
18:10:31 >>MARY ALVAREZ: I have another question.
18:10:33 Is this subject to the West Tampa overlay?
18:10:37 >>> Yes, ma'am.
18:10:38 >>MARY ALVAREZ: I wonder if they went to them.
18:10:42 >>> As part of our rezoning petition, our process,
18:10:45 when we receive it, I fill out a form as the planner
18:10:48 in the case and it has been sent to all those
18:10:53 I did call Mr. Randolph, and they said they would not
18:10:55 support this either.
18:10:57 >>MARY ALVAREZ: That was good to know.
18:10:59 >>GWEN MILLER: Mr. Dingfelder, you have to put all
18:11:03 that in your motion.
18:11:04 We have to refile.
18:11:05 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Sir, if you could.
18:11:08 Are you okay with renoticing for that August date?
18:11:14 >>> Castilla: Yes.
18:11:16 I have the paper here.
18:11:17 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I mean all the surrounding
18:11:19 properties, you have to send out new notice.
18:11:22 >>> Yes.
18:11:22 >>GWEN MILLER: And meet with the neighborhood
18:11:25 >>> Yes.
18:11:25 Thank you.
18:11:25 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: That would be part of my motion.
18:11:27 >>GWEN MILLER: We have a motion and second to continue
18:11:29 to August 9th, item number 3.
18:11:33 (Motion carried).
18:11:35 >>MARY ALVAREZ: Move to open number 4.
18:11:37 >> Second.
18:11:38 (Motion carried).
18:12:39 >>JILL FINNEY: Land Development Coordination.
18:12:40 I have been sworn.
18:12:41 We are here on petition Z-07-17 located at 4910 North
18:12:46 Florida Avenue going from CI commercial intensive to
18:12:49 PD planned development with a restaurant use.
18:12:54 The petitioner is proposing to rezone the property to
18:12:57 bring the existing site into compliance with land
18:13:00 development regulation.
18:13:01 The 7,113 square foot site is located in a CI zoning
18:13:06 district and surrounded by a mix of commercial uses to
18:13:09 the north, east, south, with a residential
18:13:11 single-family to the west.
18:13:13 The PD setbacks are as follows: To the north, zero.
18:13:17 South, zero.
18:13:17 East, 18 feet, and to the west, 1-foot setbacks.
18:13:24 20 parking spaces are required, and 12 spaces are
18:13:27 being provided for.
18:13:28 However, these 12 spaces are being provided for in the
18:13:32 existing right-of-way on Florida and on South Avenue.
18:13:42 The petitioner has requested a waiver for the deficit
18:13:45 in these parking space requirements.
18:13:48 The site is currently operating as Cathy's pizzeria
18:13:52 with indoor of 60 feet and 20 feet on the outdoor
18:13:57 patio eating area.
18:14:20 This is CI up and down North Florida Avenue.
18:14:26 Here is an aerial photo.
18:14:30 You can see from the aerial that the existing
18:14:33 structure on the site is consistent with the setbacks
18:14:38 that I have called out.
18:14:45 Here is a photo of the site.
18:14:48 Here is the outdoor seating area.
18:15:05 Directly abutting to the south on Florida.
18:15:10 This is directly across the street on Florida.
18:15:17 This is directly across from Cathy's to the north on
18:15:24 And this is right next to that open lot.
18:15:29 Here is the rear of the building.
18:15:35 Some of the waivers being requested, why they are
18:15:38 being requested, because of the existing conditions.
18:15:42 Looking down Florida.
18:15:44 The site is right over here.
18:15:46 And this is looking up Florida.
18:15:54 Land Development Coordination, the landscape, has a
18:15:58 technical objection to the proposed green space
18:16:01 They require approximately 1200 square feet of green
18:16:06 And they are requesting a reduction of 685 feet.
18:16:11 They have provided for some green space in their
18:16:17 outdoor seating area, which is actually an enhancement
18:16:20 to what was existing on the site.
18:16:25 And transportation is also objecting to the
18:16:27 maneuvering in the right-of-way on South.
18:16:32 Parking and maneuvering.
18:16:33 That concludes my presentation.
18:16:34 I'm available for questions.
18:16:39 >>GWEN MILLER: Opposition or what?
18:16:41 >>> I do not have any objection from land development.
18:16:46 >>TONY GARCIA: I have been sworn in.
18:17:07 As Ms. Finney already stated request is for a change
18:17:10 from a CI use to a PD, basically for a CG type of use
18:17:15 in this.
18:17:19 Located in the greater Seminole Heights area along
18:17:21 North Florida Avenue, there's the site in question.
18:17:23 As we all know the predominant land use on the
18:17:26 corridor is Florida Avenue and Nebraska Avenue are
18:17:28 heavy commercial 24.
18:17:34 And of course there are a variety of uses both low
18:17:38 density office, all the way to intensive commercial
18:17:40 uses on these particular segments.
18:17:47 Seminole Heights, Ybor City, and West Tampa are all
18:17:50 identified in the comprehensive plan as urban
18:17:54 The concept of the urban villages are to according to
18:17:57 the future land use Element policy, under urban
18:18:00 villages, the purpose of the -- village concept is to
18:18:05 support uses at a scale with existing development.
18:18:12 Economic redevelopment within these three areas has
18:18:14 been difficult, and potentially development of
18:18:16 existing under utilized parcels.
18:18:21 The three neighborhoods that I talked about are
18:18:23 identified as urban villages, and are redevelopment
18:18:26 And I stress the word redevelopment.
18:18:28 And encouraged to provide complementary uses to the
18:18:31 central business district which includes commercial
18:18:34 However, the urban village concept cannot
18:18:36 realistically be brought to fruition in these areas,
18:18:40 when underutilized and blighted commercial parcels,
18:18:44 due to commercial development regulations currently in
18:18:47 place that do not adequately address existing
18:18:50 The Florida Avenue corridor is mostly developed with a
18:18:53 mixture of commercial uses.
18:18:55 Many of the existing parcels on this thoroughfare are
18:18:58 utilized, languished for years because of regulatory
18:19:03 This case is a class, of the site plan, so the project
18:19:10 cannot technically meet many of the existing code
18:19:12 requirements, giving city staff no current option but
18:19:16 to object to the proposed request.
18:19:19 Hopefully the smart growth low concepts that we are
18:19:21 looking at with the Planning Commission with the City
18:19:26 of Tampa's departments including land development
18:19:29 coordination, smart growth concept such as base zoning
18:19:34 will be able to address issues such as this, the
18:19:37 zoning reform to address the impediments that
18:19:40 currently hamper all of our commercial corridors.
18:19:42 Hillsborough Avenue, and Martin Luther King and Sligh
18:19:48 Avenue as well as these commercial corridors.
18:19:50 Based on the findings of how this particular project
18:19:52 relates to the open village concept, Planning
18:19:54 Commission staff finds it consistent with the
18:19:57 comprehensive plan.
18:20:00 >>GWEN MILLER: Petitioner?
18:20:07 >>STEVE MICHELINI: I'm here on behalf of the Todd
18:20:12 Gabel and Natalie Mandeville.
18:20:15 They are the owners of the property who basically sunk
18:20:17 their life savings in a dream of redeveloping a
18:20:19 restaurant in a redevelopment district.
18:20:22 I think you saw the photograph of what they have done
18:20:25 there already.
18:20:28 One of the problems that you face constantly is a
18:20:33 conflict between technical standard, the redevelopment
18:20:35 standards of the city, and redevelopment districts
18:20:37 where you have no alternatives.
18:20:40 Seminole Heights in particular is extremely
18:20:44 This is a side view will go south of the facility.
18:20:49 You see it on the right side.
18:20:51 And the fact that there simply is no room to do
18:20:54 anything other than maneuver in the right-of-way for
18:20:56 the parking spaces.
18:20:58 If you go in for change of use, which is what they
18:21:00 were required to do, or change of occupancy, you are
18:21:04 forced to meet the code.
18:21:05 When you can't meet the code you are forced to come
18:21:07 here in a rezoning to correct it, going through a PD
18:21:10 process, which is time consuming, and expensive.
18:21:14 It characteristically costs tens of thousands of
18:21:17 dollars to go through this process.
18:21:19 And through no fault of theirs.
18:21:20 They are stuck in this process now.
18:21:22 Tried to run a restaurant which is extremely popular
18:21:26 and supported by the neighborhood.
18:21:27 Encouraged by the neighborhood.
18:21:29 Desired by the neighborhood to create those kind of
18:21:31 pedestrian and neighborhood commercial-serving
18:21:34 activities that you can't get to.
18:21:36 And once you have expired all of your funds to do
18:21:40 that, then you are met with reverting back to
18:21:43 something like this at 4602 north Florida which means
18:21:47 your redevelopment will never happen.
18:21:50 Because the incentive for these projects to be
18:21:52 converted back to something that's neighborhood
18:21:55 serving is not there.
18:21:57 The disincentive is there.
18:21:59 You have other areas like this one, 5120 north
18:22:02 Florida, where obviously you don't need clearances for
18:22:07 parking, downtown meet the parking backing standards.
18:22:11 You meet the sidewalk standards because the sidewalk
18:22:12 is on private property.
18:22:13 But, again, these are -- dipping ding are you aware of
18:22:24 any opposition?
18:22:25 >>> I'm not but there are several people that want to
18:22:29 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Maybe you want to reserve.
18:22:32 See what happens.
18:22:33 >>> There are certain things we would be asking City
18:22:35 Council to initiate some motions on, to Sarasota the
18:22:38 staff to start looking at specific solutions.
18:22:41 Moreda to do that I think I need to protect the record
18:22:44 to get those items stated clearly as an example of
18:22:48 what difficulties we are facing in the redevelopment
18:22:51 >>GWEN MILLER: Go ahead and state them.
18:22:56 >>STEVE MICHELINI: This is a view from the south at
18:23:01 And you see on both sides of the street parking backs
18:23:04 directly to the right-of-way. This is looking north.
18:23:07 Basically, you have no alternatives.
18:23:11 You simply cannot meet the code.
18:23:12 When you go to the permit center and faced with trying
18:23:15 to get a commercial site plan approved, you can't do
18:23:19 And folks like Todd and his wife Natalie are simply
18:23:28 So that's why they are here.
18:23:29 There's a petition signed which I would like received
18:23:33 and placed in the record by 217 people who are
18:23:36 frequenters of the restaurant.
18:23:38 And I have to assume that half of them are here this
18:23:40 evening in support of that.
18:23:42 [ Laughter ]
18:23:45 [ Applause ]
18:23:45 >>GWEN MILLER: Mr. Michelini, you don't want all 100
18:23:58 to speak, do you?
18:24:00 >>STEVE MICHELINI: No.
18:24:04 Trying to get to that point.
18:24:05 >>GWEN MILLER: Can we have one representative?
18:24:07 >>> There are three specific individuals that would
18:24:09 like to speak on behalf of their individual
18:24:11 neighborhood associations.
18:24:13 Randy Baron is here from Old Seminole Heights, Gary
18:24:14 Elsworth is here from South Seminole Heights, and
18:24:14 Sherry Simons is here from Southeast Seminole Heights.
18:24:22 I would like to call on them to speak about
18:24:24 specifically the difficulties they are having in
18:24:26 attracting viable businesses and making them viable
18:24:30 simply because of the difficulties that they are
18:24:31 having with the permitting and the processing because
18:24:35 of all these waivers.
18:24:36 We simply have no alternative of going to a planned
18:24:39 development, which seeks the number of waivers as you
18:24:41 see before you.
18:24:44 We are here to list basically the supporters.
18:24:46 And I would like to have that received and filed and
18:24:48 call three people forward to speak on behalf of the
18:24:51 >>GWEN MILLER: All right.
18:24:52 I would like those three to come up and speak.
18:24:54 Before you speak, Ms. Saul-Sena.
18:24:56 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Thank you.
18:24:57 We had a meeting three months ago about changing the
18:24:59 rules so that there would be easier for people in
18:25:02 historic commercial areas to redevelop.
18:25:05 Almost all of the key people were at that meeting.
18:25:08 We all agreed, the staff agreed, the staff said they
18:25:10 would get on it with zoning.
18:25:13 We are having a workshop on April 1st -- no,
18:25:17 2nd, 3rd and 4th to discuss zoning and I
18:25:22 hope all the council members come and I can't wait to
18:25:25 get this done.
18:25:26 It's making any kind of redevelopment a misery, and we
18:25:28 all agree on it and we just need to move ahead.
18:25:31 I'm happy to see you all again and I am deeply
18:25:34 apologetic that we have to go through this.
18:25:38 >>> Gary Elsworth, president of South Seminole Heights
18:25:41 civic association, and I have been sworn.
18:25:44 Ms. Saul-Sena, thank you for the workshop did you on
18:25:46 the parking workshop.
18:25:47 I don't know if that's the one you are talking about.
18:25:50 But we in Seminole Heights have an uncanny ability to
18:25:53 parley into conversation into a Seminole Heights
18:25:55 issue, and parking and transportation is certainly at
18:25:57 the top of that list.
18:26:01 The neighborhood association greatly supports this
18:26:03 project for all the reasons that you already know.
18:26:05 And, you know, the ironic thing is, if for some reason
18:26:09 this does not pass and the building reverts back to
18:26:12 its previous use, then Mr. Michelini and I should have
18:26:16 gotten together because when came under pretty much
18:26:18 the same work but this is a view of Canuga street.
18:26:28 So you have seen what it looks like on Florida Avenue.
18:26:30 This is what it looks like on the cross streets.
18:26:33 And also this is really the starting point for
18:26:36 redevelopment in Seminole Heights.
18:26:38 And this needs to move forward or it's going to send a
18:26:41 signal to everybody else to stay away from our
18:26:43 And we thank you for your consideration.
18:26:46 >>GWEN MILLER: Thank you.
18:26:50 >>> Randy baron, 217 west Comanche Avenue, Old
18:26:55 Seminole Heights association, president.
18:26:57 I have been sworn.
18:26:57 Mr. Michelini and Mr. Elsworth pretty much said it
18:27:01 We all know it's torture for some of these business
18:27:04 tows redevelop.
18:27:05 In addition to this business another one tried to
18:27:06 redevelop all at the same time.
18:27:08 It took almost nine months for that 600 square foot
18:27:12 change of use at a garage, turn it into a deli, which
18:27:16 is now open and very popular.
18:27:17 But again it almost bankrupt the proprietor.
18:27:21 We compete with other areas of the city for business.
18:27:25 If this is denied, if any change of use is going to
18:27:29 trigger this kind of process where we have to get
18:27:31 people up and out here -- all in favor clapping.
18:27:39 [ Applause ]
18:27:40 Pretty much no objection I think.
18:27:41 But if we have to do this every time it sends a loud
18:27:43 and strong signal to developers that Seminole Heights
18:27:45 is not redevelopment friendly.
18:27:47 After the challenges, how is the city going to help?
18:27:50 The city needs to help with the road.
18:27:52 The city needs to help with designing.
18:27:54 And we need to figure out a way to get more Cathy's in
18:27:59 Seminole Heights, not less.
18:28:00 And I hope you vote for the petition.
18:28:02 And I thank you for your time.
18:28:08 >>> I'm Sherry Simons, president of Seminole Heights
18:28:14 civic association, 911.
18:28:17 I don't have a whole lot to say because it's all been
18:28:19 said, and you have a long night ahead of you.
18:28:22 The most important thing to me is that it already is
18:28:25 working, that whether or not it's exactly the way that
18:28:30 it should be, it's there.
18:28:33 I never have trouble parking.
18:28:35 I have never been in danger.
18:28:36 Lots of people walk there.
18:28:38 So to me it's an example of how it can work.
18:28:42 And as everybody else has said, if we close them up
18:28:46 and send them away, it's a death sentence for our
18:28:51 It will attract no one.
18:28:53 That's all I have to say.
18:28:55 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I think the lesson to be learned is
18:28:57 in Seminole Heights don't mess with the coffee or the
18:29:01 [Laughter and applause]
18:29:14 >> Don't you love the neighborhood behind you?
18:29:16 >>GWEN MILLER: Mr. Michelini.
18:29:18 >>STEVE MICHELINI: I'm not going to try to top that.
18:29:24 >> This is not a problem just in Seminole Heights.
18:29:26 Mr. Garcia mentioned the bistro earlier they went
18:29:30 through a similar problem trying to develop in West
18:29:32 Tampa, other parts of the city where this is a
18:29:35 And my time here is limited.
18:29:37 But this is a problem that I have seen come up again
18:29:40 and again and again.
18:29:42 And I hope everyone will stay active and engaged to
18:29:46 make sure the next Cathy's that comes in doesn't have
18:29:50 to go what sounds like a bureaucratic nightmare trying
18:29:53 to figure out how to get all the pieces to fit
18:29:56 We need to figure a way to have a consistent code so
18:30:00 it's user friendly and it's not the kind of experience
18:30:02 that we have had here.
18:30:04 So I'm hoping we will get through that process
18:30:09 >>STEVE MICHELINI: I'm not trying to cut anyone off
18:30:11 but certainly if someone else wants to speak they are
18:30:13 welcome to.
18:30:13 But I think that you heard the sentiment of the folks
18:30:16 around there, and the owners.
18:30:19 One of the things that I have committed to this
18:30:21 neighborhood, and some of the other ones as well, that
18:30:24 in these corridor districts, to request staff, at the
18:30:27 close of this hearing, to examine four concepts.
18:30:30 One is relief from impact fees and transportation, in
18:30:33 a redevelopment district. The second one is to look
18:30:36 at the parking standards as they relate to incentively
18:30:41 develop zero lot line construction like on Howard and
18:30:44 Armenia, and obviously on Florida Avenue.
18:30:47 There are a number of areas to look at.
18:30:50 To look at the parks and the landscaping requirements
18:30:53 as they relate to the urban developed areas, and what
18:30:59 kind of alternatives you can utilize that provide some
18:31:02 buffers, but they are not necessarily up on the street
18:31:06 And the fourth thing is to look at change of use and
18:31:09 change of occupancy, which is in the building code,
18:31:12 and construction codes, which started this whole
18:31:14 process and kicked them into the rezoning to begin
18:31:17 Without those kinds of relief, you are going to be
18:31:20 dealing with a number of different applicants come in
18:31:23 here begging for your assistance, and you are going to
18:31:26 have neighborhood associations coming down saying, why
18:31:28 are we making it difficult to redevelop the areas that
18:31:32 truly need redevelopment?
18:31:34 And my commitment to each of them was to work with
18:31:36 them and work with the city staff to try to accomplish
18:31:38 those goals.
18:31:39 So we respectfully request that you make those motions
18:31:41 and approve this project.
18:31:43 >>GWEN MILLER: We need to close the public hearing.
18:31:47 >> So moved.
18:31:47 >>MARTIN SHELBY: If you would just ask if there is
18:31:49 anyone who would like to speak, particularly in case
18:31:51 there was somebody who didn't want the opportunity and
18:31:54 didn't take it.
18:31:54 >>GWEN MILLER: Is there anyone else that would like to
18:31:56 speak on item number 4?
18:31:59 You may speak.
18:32:01 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Mr. Michelini, do you have those
18:32:03 things written down, the four concepts?
18:32:05 I would like a copy so we can use to the make a
18:32:09 >>> Jason ball.
18:32:10 I have been sworn in.
18:32:10 Here on behalf of American serving incorporated, 4847
18:32:15 north Florida.
18:32:16 It's about 250 feet south of this location on the
18:32:18 other side of the street.
18:32:21 We are a land surveying company, and have been in the
18:32:23 neighborhood for a few years now.
18:32:26 We just offer our support as a company.
18:32:32 We are very happy.
18:32:33 Our one recommendation is, if it's possible for the
18:32:36 city to communicate with D.O.T. and DPW, perhaps there
18:32:40 would be some way to have signage on Florida alerting
18:32:44 drivers -- excuse me, I have bronchitis -- of the
18:32:50 situation with vehicles entering the street in close
18:32:54 That's all.
18:32:55 Thank you.
18:32:55 >>GWEN MILLER: Would anyone else like to speak?
18:32:59 Need to close.
18:33:00 >> Move to close.
18:33:01 >> Second.
18:33:01 (Motion carried).
18:33:02 >>GWEN MILLER: Do you have an ordinance?
18:33:06 Mr. Reddick, would you read that, please?
18:33:09 >>FRANK REDDICK: Move an ordinance rezoning property
18:33:21 in the general vicinity of 4910 North Florida Avenue
18:33:25 in the city of Tampa, Florida and more particularly
18:33:27 described in section 1 from zoning district
18:33:29 classification CI commercial intensive to PD, planned
18:33:33 development, restaurant, providing an effective date.
18:33:36 >>GWEN MILLER: I have a motion and second.
18:33:37 All in favor of the motion say Aye.
18:33:39 Opposed, Nay.
18:33:39 (Motion carried).
18:33:41 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Everybody has done such a fabulous
18:33:45 job of redeveloping your own individual residences,
18:33:47 and the commercial corridors are lagging behind.
18:33:50 And what Mr. Michelini has identified is exactly what
18:33:54 the staff needs to do.
18:33:55 So I would like to make a motion that within 30 days,
18:33:58 under staff reports, that staff respond in writing
18:34:01 with a time line for how quickly we can address the
18:34:05 four issues that Mr. Michelini outlined.
18:34:08 >>GWEN MILLER: All in favor of the motion say Aye.
18:34:09 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Council, I'm sorry.
18:34:11 Just so it is clear.
18:34:12 Mr. Michelini is to reiterate, provide relief from
18:34:18 transportation impact fees.
18:34:20 The second is to provide relief for parking
18:34:26 The third is relief for landscaping.
18:34:30 And the fourth is to provide -- what is that?
18:34:36 Change of use and change of occupancy, with regard to
18:34:39 the building code as well.
18:34:41 >> This is specifically in regard to historic
18:34:44 commercial corridors, where the road has been widened
18:34:48 and adjacent to historic neighborhoods.
18:34:50 >>MARTIN SHELBY: And with the issue of that, I believe
18:34:52 you also raised the issue of buildings with zero lot
18:34:56 >>GWEN MILLER: I have a motion and second.
18:34:57 (Motion carried).
18:35:00 >>MARY ALVAREZ: Move to open number 6.
18:35:03 Number 5.
18:35:05 >>STEVE MICHELINI: Thank you very much.
18:35:07 (Cheers and applause).
18:35:14 >>GWEN MILLER: With all of that enthusiasm we need
18:35:22 seats on Thursday night.
18:37:15 >>JILL FINNEY: Land Development Coordination.
18:37:17 I have been sworn.
18:37:18 We are here on petition Z-07-18 located at 10015 north
18:37:24 9th street going from RS-50 single family
18:37:27 residential to PD planned development professional
18:37:31 residential facility.
18:37:32 The petitioner proposes to rezone the property to
18:37:34 planned development with an allowable use of
18:37:38 professional residential facility.
18:37:40 This contains approximately 11,000 square feet of land
18:37:44 and is improved with a large single-family home in a
18:37:47 detached dwelling unit.
18:37:51 No changes to the existing conditions on the site are
18:37:54 being requested.
18:37:55 The PD setbacks are as follows:
18:37:58 To the north will be 10 feet setbacks, east is four
18:38:02 feet, south 9 feet, and to the west 23.3 feet.
18:38:06 This request will allow for a maximum of 17 beds and
18:38:10 the facility will remain residential in character in
18:38:12 order to remain integrated with the surrounding
18:38:28 Here is the zoning of the local area.
18:38:30 You will notice directly across the street here is all
18:38:37 >>MARY ALVAREZ: It's knots coming on our monitor.
18:38:39 >>GWEN MILLER: We need to get it -- okay, thank you.
18:38:51 >>> Linebaugh is to the south.
18:38:56 Nebraska is to the west.
18:39:02 And this is to the east.
18:39:07 Here is a photo of the subject property.
18:39:13 In comparison, the property abutting it.
18:39:16 This is directly across the street.
18:39:18 This is abutting directly to the north.
18:39:29 And this is abutting it directly to the south.
18:39:38 The home is used as a professional residential
18:39:40 facility for honorably discharged Vietnam veterans,
18:39:44 and the only objections that come from staff has been
18:39:49 from solid waste, who the petitioner has worked a lot
18:39:54 They have gone through the process.
18:39:57 At the last moment they came back with a viable
18:40:01 The petitioner met the deadline for the site plan
18:40:05 being turned in.
18:40:06 Petitioner has proposed to use three refuse bins, and
18:40:12 solid waste is requesting four with a separate door
18:40:15 for each one.
18:40:24 17 strong men are living on the property.
18:40:26 But they need to lift those bins.
18:40:31 However, solid waste, they did want four.
18:40:37 >>> They proposed to use four bins and solid waste
18:40:40 wants four separate doors?
18:40:42 Can you explain why?
18:40:46 >>> From the solid waste perspective, they don't want
18:40:53 it to be -- put in a situation where they are having
18:40:56 to access the one in the back but can't get to it.
18:41:00 They wanted to have four separate doors.
18:41:04 They are functioning now with two bins.
18:41:05 They don't reach that limit right now.
18:41:10 So it's an existing use right now.
18:41:15 >>MARY ALVAREZ: Is that a waiver?
18:41:19 >>> No.
18:41:19 Because solid waste didn't come forth with this
18:41:23 agreement until just a few days ago and it was after
18:41:26 the deadline for the site plan.
18:41:30 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I don't believe it's a waiver of any
18:41:32 particular code requirement, if I understand
18:41:37 >>CHARLES FLETCHER: So we could approve it as proposed
18:41:44 >>JULIA COLE: Legal department.
18:41:45 I understand that they have objected on that basis.
18:41:48 And it moved through the process.
18:41:50 I'm not sure that there is necessarily a requirement
18:41:52 that they provide those in the manner in which they
18:41:56 are requesting but there was a compromise made, our
18:42:04 I'm comfortable, you can approve this as is, and they
18:42:06 can just deal with that issue.
18:42:10 >>GWEN MILLER: All right then.
18:42:13 >>> They were originally requesting dumpsters.
18:42:15 So we have gotten a long way with them.
18:42:17 So we are happy with that.
18:42:19 And that concludes my presentation.
18:42:20 I'm available for questions.
18:42:25 >>TONY GARCIA: Planning Commission staff.
18:42:39 I have been sworn in.
18:42:43 As it relates to the comprehensive plan and future
18:42:46 land use category the site is located in the vicinity
18:42:49 of the intersection of north Nebraska and east
18:42:51 Linebaugh Avenue. The site does lie south of
18:42:53 University of South Florida.
18:42:55 The predominant land use categories are along
18:42:58 Nebraska, heavy commercial 24, to the west residential
18:43:01 10, and residential 20 to the east.
18:43:03 Subject site is located right over here.
18:43:07 Relating to this aerial, you can basically see it
18:43:10 interfaces from a mixture of a couple of residential
18:43:13 This is a vacant lot over here.
18:43:15 And of course commercial uses which almost directly
18:43:18 interface it is site in question.
18:43:22 In relationship to consistency with the comprehensive
18:43:24 plan, the policy is consistent with policy B-3.3 which
18:43:27 talks about the intent of the city that projects as
18:43:32 minimally disruptive as legally possible.
18:43:37 The structure on the site in question has been in
18:43:39 existence for quite some time now.
18:43:41 The applicant does wish to convert this home for
18:43:44 professional residential facility providing
18:43:46 affirmative residence for retired veterans. The
18:43:49 structure on-site will not be significantly modified.
18:43:52 Most of the residents, I believe, all the residents
18:43:54 will be using public transportation.
18:43:56 There will be, I think, they just have, I guess for
18:43:59 lack of a better term because I don't really know what
18:44:01 you would call them, they have like a sergeant at arms
18:44:04 on the facility, to actually oversee all of the
18:44:07 caretaker, if you will, for the veterans there to
18:44:11 guide them and help them, if they need some emergency
18:44:15 care, to be able to be escorted, transported someplace
18:44:19 quickly but most of them will be using public
18:44:21 transportation so there will not be a lot of vehicular
18:44:23 access or activity as relates to this particular site.
18:44:26 The site will retain the residential character.
18:44:31 It should not pose any adverse impact to the area.
18:44:34 Planning Commission staff based on those findings of
18:44:36 fact finds the proposed request consistent with
18:44:40 comprehensive plan.
18:44:41 >>GWEN MILLER: Petitioner?
18:44:43 >>> Good evening.
18:44:44 My name is Connie Blaney.
18:44:47 I'm the president of liberty manor for veterans
18:44:50 incorporated at 10015 north 9th street.
18:44:55 I was sworn in.
18:44:56 We are requesting of course to rezone the property
18:44:58 from RS-50 to a PD for the purpose of providing
18:45:01 housing to veterans.
18:45:03 I want to make one correction.
18:45:05 These are not just Vietnam veterans.
18:45:08 So for the record.
18:45:09 I have a World War II veteran.
18:45:14 Liberty manor was able to secure 27 letters of support
18:45:19 in total.
18:45:21 And I have five of the top letters, actually from one
18:45:26 resident alongside the different structures in that
18:45:32 And I also have presentation packets to present the
18:45:35 board members
18:45:36 >>GWEN MILLER: Do you have anybody in opposition or in
18:45:55 >>> I would assume everyone is in favor for a home for
18:45:59 homeless veterans.
18:46:00 >>GWEN MILLER: Is there anyone in the public that
18:46:01 wants to speak on item number 5?
18:46:03 >>MARY ALVAREZ: Move to close.
18:46:10 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I just wanted to express
18:46:12 appreciation to Connie.
18:46:13 Connie and I used to work together in the public
18:46:16 defender's office and she did a great job over there.
18:46:18 And I don't know if you left to do this but you are
18:46:20 obviously doing great public service again.
18:46:23 >>> Thank you very much.
18:46:24 I appreciate that endorsement.
18:46:27 >>GWEN MILLER: We have a motion to close.
18:46:28 And a second.
18:46:29 (Motion carried).
18:46:30 Do we have an ordinance?
18:46:33 Ms. Alvarez, will you read that, please?
18:46:34 >>MARY ALVAREZ: Sure.
18:46:38 [ Applause ]
18:46:39 We are making so many people happy tonight.
18:46:43 This is great.
18:46:44 Move an ordinance rezoning property in the general
18:46:46 vicinity of 10015 north 9th street in the city of
18:46:51 Tampa, Florida and more particularly described in
18:46:53 section 1 from zoning district classification RS-50
18:46:58 residential single-family to PD planned development,
18:47:01 professional residential facility, providing an
18:47:02 effective date.
18:47:04 >>GWEN MILLER: I have a motion and second.
18:47:05 (Motion carried).
18:47:15 >>MARY ALVAREZ: Everybody is just so happy.
18:47:18 >>MARY ALVAREZ: Move to open 8.
18:48:06 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Go home as noncontroversial as
18:48:10 67 keep on going.
18:48:13 Are we ready?
18:48:15 >>JILL FINNEY: Land Development Coordination.
18:48:16 I have been sworn.
18:48:18 I am here on petition number Z-06-144 located at 3625
18:48:23 west Azeele street going from RS-60 residential single
18:48:27 family, multifamily residential, four units, legal
18:48:31 nonconforming, to PD, planned development, mixed use,
18:48:35 office, retail and specialty retail.
18:48:37 Petitioner proposes to rezone the property to convert
18:48:40 the multifamily use to mixed use consisting of maximum
18:48:45 of 2500 square feet of professional office, with 1250
18:48:51 square feet of retail and 1250 square feet of
18:48:54 specialty retail uses.
18:48:56 The two-story structure already exists on the site.
18:48:59 The 16 parking spaces are required, and 16 parking
18:49:03 spaces are provided, including one 88 space, an
18:49:08 additional five spaces for the owners along the
18:49:11 western property line are being requested for a total
18:49:13 21 spaces. The setbacks are 25 feet from the front,
18:49:17 12 feet on the side, 35-foot rear setback and a
18:49:22 maximum height of 35 feet.
18:49:25 Which is consistent with the existing building.
18:49:34 This is the zoning in the area.
18:49:36 As you can see, every parcel on this space has been
18:49:40 rezoned to either PD or RO or RO-1.
18:49:44 And this portion has undergone a lot of changes.
18:49:57 We have Himes to the east.
18:49:59 Sterling to the west.
18:50:01 Azeele to the south.
18:50:02 And Platt to the north.
18:50:05 >>GWEN MILLER: Go ahead.
18:50:19 >>ABBYE FEELEY: Here is the elevation.
18:50:26 The building on the site.
18:50:32 Here is the property abutting the building.
18:50:38 This is the area that is to the west of the building.
18:50:42 That's where the five spaces -- tandem spaces are
18:50:48 being proposed.
18:50:52 >> What does that mean, you are going to stack them
18:50:55 >>> Yes.
18:51:01 And this is the building which is right next to the
18:51:08 And they use the same stacking methods that is being
18:51:14 reflected directly abutting on this side.
18:51:22 Here are the homes that are located.
18:51:28 Many of them are law offices.
18:51:29 The one that is next door is zoned RO-1 is a
18:51:36 residential use.
18:51:37 Across the street, you have some single-family homes.
18:51:41 Some of them office as well.
18:51:47 These are two are rental units directly across.
18:52:00 Land Development Coordination, they need to provide 22
18:52:08 spaces, they have 21.
18:52:10 And there are some issues that I thought needed to be
18:52:13 Prior to hearing, as many of them have been
18:52:17 subsequently resolved
18:52:22 Revised before the final site plan.
18:52:25 Parks and recreation have concurrence over
18:52:30 accessibility, whether or not a prior access needed to
18:52:34 happen onto the site, or if they had a mechanism in
18:52:38 the process which would allow them to access the site
18:52:42 from the street.
18:52:43 Burr the petitioner was requested to find out.
18:52:48 Previously the fire department, fire marshal's office
18:52:52 has approved it.
18:52:55 Transportation does object to this use of the two
18:53:00 The one around the west.
18:53:02 They don't think that one should be there and they
18:53:04 object to the tandem parking, as our land development
18:53:07 regulations do not recognize tandem parking.
18:53:27 And landscaping has removed their objections except
18:53:32 for a technical objection which would provide for
18:53:38 putting a vine on the fencing.
18:53:49 >>> Mary Daniels, Land Development Coordination.
18:53:51 I have been sworn.
18:53:53 Where they have some stacked parking they have an
18:53:55 existing masonry wall and the pavement goes right up
18:53:58 against that wall.
18:53:58 The code dictates that when you have an opaque barrier
18:54:02 that you are required to place one shrub or vine every
18:54:07 ten feet because the pavement goes up to the wall,
18:54:09 they don't have the ability to do that.
18:54:11 Therefore it's a technical objection.
18:54:12 They can't meet the technical provision of the code.
18:54:14 And we don't have any problem with that.
18:54:17 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: In the picture it looks like
18:54:20 there's a foot of soil.
18:54:22 >>> There.
18:54:23 The pavement does go directly to the wall.
18:54:31 Are you talking about the building wall, or --
18:54:38 >>> It's all compacted.
18:54:40 And pavers.
18:54:44 There is concrete that goes right up there.
18:54:49 >> So there's no soil there at all?
18:54:55 >>> Soil here across.
18:55:01 It's not enough area to actually place a shrub or vine
18:55:06 and have it survive.
18:55:10 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Do you have a photograph?
18:55:18 >>GWEN MILLER: Planning Commission staff?
18:55:24 >>TONY GARCIA: Planning Commission staff.
18:55:33 I have been sworn in.
18:55:36 The site is located on the north face of west Azeele
18:55:40 street, part of the collector road, with residential
18:55:45 use, and as already pointed out there have been a
18:55:48 series of PDs approved along that segment of Azeele.
18:55:51 The site between the neighborhood collector, Himes
18:55:55 Avenue, north-south and of course Dale Mabry two
18:55:58 blocks to the west, MacDill Avenue three blocks to
18:56:00 the east.
18:56:08 That's pretty much it in a nutshell as far as
18:56:13 For this segment of Azeele.
18:56:14 I think we are all pretty familiar with the evolution
18:56:17 of how all of this transitioned.
18:56:20 This is where you want to orient this type of use with
18:56:23 the collector, therefore protecting the actual
18:56:25 internal circulation and character of the residential
18:56:31 Planning Commission staff had no objections to the
18:56:33 proposed request.
18:56:34 >>GWEN MILLER: Petitioner?
18:56:42 >>> Good evening.
18:56:43 For the record, Linda Pearson, 1200 West Platt.
18:56:46 I have been sworn.
18:56:47 With me tonight is Richard Diaz, to deal with our
18:56:51 transportation engineering issues.
18:56:52 Also with us are the owners of the property, Giardo.
18:57:05 And also Robert Ganderella.
18:57:09 You may recall that we brought in the corner, the
18:57:15 Lamonte spa is directly west of the subject site.
18:57:20 This being the subject property.
18:57:22 These are both two red brick buildings there at the
18:57:26 northeast quadrant of Sterling and Azeele.
18:57:29 Beautiful old buildings. The subject property was
18:57:33 constructed in 1924.
18:57:36 You can see it has been for some time a four-unit
18:57:41 apartment building.
18:57:42 The developers are the owners of the property, are
18:57:45 also the operators of the Lamonte salon and spa to the
18:57:50 And they have done a beautiful job there, that they
18:57:54 want to carry on a consistent operation here on this
18:58:00 They will be doing specialty retail with office on the
18:58:03 second floor.
18:58:04 We have prepared a site plan that addresses all the
18:58:10 issues of the various departments.
18:58:14 We met with parks and recreation, solid waste.
18:58:18 Everyone has been out to the site.
18:58:20 We have been able to protect the grand tree in the
18:58:22 front of the property.
18:58:24 We are putting pavers along the main driveway.
18:58:30 In an area that will be a gated entry much like what
18:58:33 you see on their site on Sterling, so that at night,
18:58:37 when the businesses close, and they generally close
18:58:40 around 6:00, 7:00.
18:58:44 >> Sunday closing at 8:30, 9:00.
18:58:47 >>> Their late nights are 8:30 to 9:00. Generally
18:58:53 it's somewhat earlier than that, but do secure their
18:58:55 night and they feel that is very important for
18:58:56 assurance for the neighbors who don't want the
18:58:58 intrusion there on the vacant property after hours.
18:59:02 We also have a grand tree off-site of the property and
18:59:06 we also met with parks and address all of their
18:59:08 concerns and their issues of the northeast quadrant of
18:59:11 the property.
18:59:12 You will recall that I believe we came to you in
18:59:14 January and we asked for continuance, because at that
18:59:17 time I had been contacted by one of the adjacent
18:59:20 property owners who owns the single-family house to
18:59:24 the east of us, and also property across the street.
18:59:28 We would -- who had asked us, he wanted the 6-foot PVC
18:59:35 white fence along the east side.
18:59:37 And we had agreed to that.
18:59:38 And the clients indicated to me today that they have
18:59:42 had discussion was neighbors on the north side who
18:59:44 would like that same fence carried on the north side
18:59:46 of the property, and they agreed to do that for you
18:59:49 tonight as well.
18:59:51 The one issue that remains is the issue of keeping the
18:59:58 western-most driveway open.
19:00:04 I said I would refer you back to the first photograph
19:00:06 I showed you that says both uses.
19:00:12 The intensive PD for La~Maison, on their eastern
19:00:19 boundary, there was a gate there, when the gentleman
19:00:21 bought the property initially.
19:00:23 The owners and the people who open and close generally
19:00:27 park in a tandem fashion in that location.
19:00:29 And we are proposing to use the same type of facility
19:00:34 here, where we park in tandem.
19:00:38 Now, wee meeting parking requirements without the
19:00:43 tandem and the office retail and the office we are
19:00:46 However, because we will have some employees there
19:00:50 that will be there for a long time, we feel like this
19:00:53 is a good opportunity for them and a good use of that
19:00:56 location, and we respectfully your approval and are
19:01:01 available to answer any questions you might have.
19:01:03 But as I complete my presentation, I would like to
19:01:07 share with you, I have about a dozen or so letters
19:01:10 that I would like to enter into the record to give to
19:01:13 the secretary for the record.
19:01:14 And these are letters of adjacent property owners.
19:01:23 >>MARY ALVAREZ: Ms. Pearson, talk to me about how you
19:01:26 get to the trash containers.
19:01:29 Do you have to go across one of the properties to get
19:01:31 to the other?
19:01:36 >>> I apologize.
19:01:40 (off microphone)
19:01:43 The main entrance would be a double driveway here at
19:01:46 the southeast corner of the property.
19:01:49 You will go in this area.
19:01:51 These are trash containers that are in an enclosure.
19:01:57 And they are the roll-out bin type, the big tall blue
19:02:02 They will be rolled out the side of the property and
19:02:04 placed on collection days.
19:02:10 >> So they are going to be doing that?
19:02:11 >>> Yes.
19:02:12 And solid waste has approved that procedure.
19:02:16 >>MARY ALVAREZ: You say one way cross access?
19:02:20 >>> Yes.
19:02:21 >> Walkway?
19:02:22 >>> No, it's a vehicular crossway.
19:02:27 There is an ability that as they develop this site,
19:02:30 they will be providing an opening from their use
19:02:38 portion, so people could actually drive through and
19:02:43 exit out on Azeele.
19:02:46 The La~Maison does not have a full access on Azeele,
19:02:52 other than the one that they use for employees.
19:02:57 >> When you say the existing driveway to the main,
19:03:02 which is on the west side?
19:03:04 >>> The west side.
19:03:07 >> The parking there, that's tandem?
19:03:09 How do they --
19:03:13 >>> They can come in and pull around this way.
19:03:15 >> They come in from that other piece of property.
19:03:17 >>> Exactly.
19:03:20 >> And there is initially two driveways on this site
19:03:23 right now.
19:03:23 The second driveway is on the east side of the
19:03:27 building and all of that is being torn up and that
19:03:30 side is being redeveloped, also.
19:03:32 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Thank you.
19:03:37 (off microphone)
19:03:39 There is an existing brick structure.
19:03:42 Will that remain?
19:03:43 >>> Yes, absolutely.
19:03:44 It is being refurbished.
19:03:46 Already in discussion was the architect for that.
19:03:49 And we have even been talking about a way and a method
19:03:52 within the building to make it ADA compliant for the
19:03:56 second floor.
19:03:56 >> Do you have any photographs?
19:03:58 The photographs you put up on the Elmo, we weren't
19:04:00 able to see very well.
19:04:01 Could you maybe pass those around?
19:04:03 >>> I would be happy to.
19:04:04 I certainly can.
19:04:04 >>GWEN MILLER: Is there anyone in the public that
19:04:06 wants to speak on item number 8?
19:04:23 >>> I'm Elizabeth Kelly and I have not been sworn.
19:04:26 >>GWEN MILLER: Is there anyone else in the audience
19:04:27 who has not been sworn to speak?
19:04:29 Would you please stand and raids your right hand?
19:04:31 >>MARTIN SHELBY: The other remaining item as well?
19:04:37 >>GWEN MILLER: 8 and 9.
19:04:40 (Oath administered by Clerk).
19:04:52 >> I live at 3708, and you probably remember me from
19:04:56 before when the PD request came in. Anyway, we are
19:05:00 very pleased with this.
19:05:04 They have done a lot of renovation.
19:05:07 They say the place is beautiful.
19:05:11 We just want to make sure that there are some things
19:05:14 that we have been told that will be abided by.
19:05:20 There will be no new paved areas.
19:05:23 Products will be used in the parking areas not paved.
19:05:26 No dumpsters.
19:05:28 No new structures.
19:05:30 The retention pond will be moved away from the large
19:05:32 grand oak.
19:05:34 And a change tonight was that the PVC fence would be
19:05:40 changed out with an existing fence.
19:05:43 Or similar.
19:05:44 So I think that's good.
19:05:48 And the gates would be secured at closing.
19:05:51 And that they would be closed by 9 p.m. each night.
19:05:55 So on the whole, I think that the neighborhood
19:05:58 approved the PD request.
19:06:00 >>GWEN MILLER: Would anyone else like to speak?
19:06:03 >> Move to close.
19:06:04 >> Second.
19:06:04 (Motion carried).
19:06:05 >> Do we have an ordinance?
19:06:09 >>MARY ALVAREZ: Give to the Linda.
19:06:19 >> Move an ordinance rezoning property in the general
19:06:21 vicinity of 3625 west Azeele street in the city of
19:06:25 Tampa, Florida, and more particularly described in
19:06:27 section 1 from zoning district classifications RS-60
19:06:31 residential family to PD planned development, mixed
19:06:34 use office retail, specialty retail, providing an
19:06:37 effective date.
19:06:39 >>GWEN MILLER: We have a motion and second.
19:06:46 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I want to point out that this brick
19:06:48 structure, it's not one of the first cousins.
19:06:52 It's one that we were looking at a couple of weeks
19:07:00 >>GWEN MILLER: We need to open item number 10.
19:07:05 Item 10.
19:07:06 (Motion carried).
19:08:09 >>JILL FINNEY: Land Development Coordination.
19:08:11 I have been sworn.
19:08:11 We are here on petition Z-07-23.
19:08:18 Legal would like to speak.
19:08:18 >>JULIA COLE: Legal department.
19:08:20 As I indicated to you earlier in the evening, this
19:08:25 particular petition was a request by D.O.T. to have
19:08:28 this petition continued.
19:08:29 As I also expressed to you earlier, that's something
19:08:32 that's totally within the petitioner's discretion as
19:08:34 to whether or not they would like to continue the
19:08:39 They were not here when first moving forward it with.
19:08:41 I have had an opportunity to speak with petitioner's
19:08:43 representative and it does not appear that they would
19:08:45 like -- they would like to have their application
19:08:48 heard tonight, which is totally within their right to
19:08:51 So I did want to let you know that.
19:08:54 I do understand the petitioners would like to make a
19:08:57 comment prior to us moving forward with the case.
19:08:59 And that will be up to council to determine if that's
19:09:02 appropriate at this time.
19:09:03 >>GWEN MILLER: Mr. Bricklemyer, will you come up,
19:09:08 >>> My name is Keith Bricklemyer, here as the attorney
19:09:11 for metropolitan life on this application.
19:09:13 I apologize that we weren't here at six but we
19:09:16 expected this to be a long evening so we didn't see a
19:09:19 need to rush over.
19:09:20 I want council to understand what our expectations
19:09:22 were about what was going to happen this evening, so
19:09:24 that you can make an informed decision.
19:09:30 We have a plan that's been presented to the city.
19:09:32 The staff report that you have got has a bunch of
19:09:35 objections, most of which have been resolved.
19:09:37 And our expectation was that we would have our hearing
19:09:40 tonight, that there would be some required changes to
19:09:43 the plan as a result of some suggestions that we are
19:09:47 going to make to accommodate some neighborhood issues
19:09:50 that have been raised, and that the end result was
19:09:53 going to be that we would continue to first reading at
19:09:57 a subsequent hearing.
19:09:58 The reason we didn't make that request initially was
19:10:02 because the only dates were in May.
19:10:05 So we wanted to have our hearing tonight.
19:10:07 We fully expected that changes would be required, that
19:10:11 would result in a continuance, and if council doesn't
19:10:15 want to hear this petition tonight and wants us to
19:10:18 continue with that understanding, you know, we
19:10:21 certainly understand your position.
19:10:23 I just wanted you to understand our position.
19:10:26 We would like to proceed, and certainly if you choose
19:10:30 to continue this, we would love some consideration on
19:10:32 an earlier date than sometime in May.
19:10:35 Metropolitan life has been working very hard on this
19:10:37 We brought the architects down from Atlanta tonight to
19:10:40 make the presentation.
19:10:41 So we are obviously at your discretion.
19:10:44 We would like to go forward.
19:10:48 >>GWEN MILLER: It's up to us.
19:10:56 >>MARTIN SHELBY: The only thing that I wish to bring
19:10:58 to council's attention and to the petitioner's
19:11:00 attention is that the site plan that you have before
19:11:05 you tonight, as I understand it, Mr. Bricklemyer,
19:11:10 correct me if I am wrong -- requires some changes that
19:11:12 you believe do need to be necessary.
19:11:15 Is that correct?
19:11:18 >>> We expect that council is going to want to make
19:11:20 some changes in response to what staff is going to
19:11:25 >>MARTIN SHELBY: My concern is that while that is
19:11:29 customarily done so that a petitioner has no
19:11:35 expectation of a continuance.
19:11:37 Just as you have a right to have something voted up or
19:11:40 something down on a particular evening, council can
19:11:43 entertain your request for continuance but can also --
19:11:46 there is no expectation that on your part, to be clear
19:11:49 for the record, that you are aware of it, that if
19:11:51 they, for whatever reason, do not wish to grant you
19:11:54 that continuance, they can vote on the site plan that
19:11:57 they have before them.
19:11:58 >>> And we would be delighted if our site plan as
19:12:01 presented is approved.
19:12:02 [ Laughter ]
19:12:05 We obviously would not be delighted --
19:12:09 >>MARTIN SHELBY: As long as there's no expectation of
19:12:11 a right of a continuance.
19:12:13 It is clearly your discretion.
19:12:15 If you ask for a continuance, it's also your
19:12:17 discretion to ask to go forward, and to request,
19:12:21 depending on council's discretion, the decision to
19:12:23 grant you that continuance.
19:12:25 >>> I understand.
19:12:25 >>GWEN MILLER: Do you want to go ahead tonight?
19:12:28 >>> Yes, ma'am, we would like to if that's okay with
19:12:30 you all.
19:12:31 >>GWEN MILLER: Ms. Finney?
19:12:33 >>JILL FINNEY: As I stated, we are on petition Z-07-23
19:12:40 located at 4010 and 4100 Boy Scout Boulevard from CI
19:12:46 commercial intensive commercial office to PD planned
19:12:48 development, mixed use, retail, hotel, and
19:12:53 The petitioner proposes to rezone the property to
19:12:56 establish a mixed use development containing office,
19:13:00 retail, restaurant uses, 270 hotel rooms, and 254
19:13:06 residential units.
19:13:08 The office uses includes an existing 11-story
19:13:12 building, which will remain, 4,754 parking spaces are
19:13:17 required, and 4,279 spaces are being provided through
19:13:22 structured parking garages, and surface parking areas.
19:13:25 The PD setbacks are as follows.
19:13:28 To the north, 10 feet.
19:13:29 To the east, 10 feet.
19:13:30 To the south, 10 feet.
19:13:31 To the west, 10 feet.
19:13:33 A maximum building height will be 190 feet and located
19:13:37 towards the south and eastern portions of the site.
19:13:50 Here is a zoning map of the area.
19:14:13 Here's a picture of the second property.
19:14:23 Moving eastward.
19:14:29 This is west of the property and this building here
19:14:33 will remain on the site.
19:14:50 Here is an existing parking structure on Grady as
19:14:59 This is the subject property to the east.
19:15:02 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: How many acres is this?
19:15:09 >>> 31.14 acres.
19:15:17 This is the property to the north.
19:15:24 To the east.
19:15:36 A little further south --
19:15:45 >> A lake.
19:15:50 >>> South of that we have Lincoln Gardens park.
19:15:55 To the west of this site.
19:16:03 The Marriott residence.
19:16:05 And the Hilton.
19:16:15 Staff does request that on the site plan, they do
19:16:20 change in note 26, it will be changed to note 29 on
19:16:25 the site plan, and objecting to the location of the
19:16:28 ADA spaces providing in relation to the office
19:16:33 building, located in one area, even though the office
19:16:38 buildings are disbursed in the spaces that they could
19:16:42 be located.
19:16:43 And they understand that and are willing to
19:16:46 accommodate it.
19:16:48 Landscaping has an objection to 50% of the trees being
19:16:59 Over 50% of the trees being removed.
19:17:01 And anything further with landscaping, Mary Daniel
19:17:06 Bryson is here to speak to that.
19:17:12 Urban design still has some outstanding issues.
19:17:15 I don't know if they are going to be address tonight,
19:17:19 as staff will help ease urban design concerns.
19:17:27 But as of right now, they are -- there are still
19:17:30 objections to the site plan in reference to the
19:17:31 elevations of the office building.
19:17:36 Not the retail component.
19:17:37 Bee were very pleased to see if appearance and
19:17:40 aesthetics use of the retail component, however, on
19:17:45 office building to use some work.
19:17:53 And that concludes my presentation for the evening.
19:17:57 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Council members, questions?
19:17:58 Could we hear from urban design and from Mary?
19:18:05 >>> I would also like to mention that FDOT is here to
19:18:08 speak as well to their concerns with the -- originally
19:18:12 initiated the request for the continuance as a member
19:18:14 of the VRC.
19:18:17 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Thank you.
19:18:20 >>> Mary Daniels Bryson, Land Development
19:18:23 I have been sworn.
19:18:24 Basically, my objection is based on the amount -- we
19:18:35 expected there would be a large preservation Element
19:18:38 to this parcel.
19:18:40 The developer has transplanted palm trees.
19:18:52 The developer has proposed to transplant 54 palm trees
19:18:56 to raise the preservation number of trees that are
19:18:59 being preserved.
19:19:04 And they are protected trees.
19:19:14 And you can meet your 50% retention requirement
19:19:21 through the transplanting of trees.
19:19:23 But in that same vein we would prefer that some canopy
19:19:27 trees, such as oaks, elm, things of that nature, be
19:19:33 transplanted to meet the other aspect of the intent of
19:19:36 the code to preserve the canopy of the City of Tampa.
19:19:39 If you look at the Elmo, we worked with the
19:19:45 petitioner, and they did do some redevelopment, moving
19:19:52 of the buildings and the parking area in this
19:19:54 building, addition trees, and they did work with us
19:19:58 and placed some additional trees in this area.
19:20:00 However, within this area, the center, there is a
19:20:03 significant amount of canopy.
19:20:06 And these trees are not being preserved.
19:20:08 These trees will not be going out and that's what my
19:20:12 objection is based on.
19:20:13 The other part of my objection is in their tree
19:20:22 report, they list a lot of the elms as dead.
19:20:29 They do lose their leaves at this time of the year.
19:20:33 And a lot of times, especially in January and
19:20:38 February, you don't see a lot.
19:20:42 I did go out to the site and there is some budding.
19:20:45 I couldn't actually go into the parking lot.
19:20:48 But there is some budding on those trees.
19:20:55 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: the elms you are talking about --
19:21:02 the elms that you are talking about, what are the
19:21:09 trees closer to Boy Scout?
19:21:12 How large are they?
19:21:13 >>> They range in size from 12, 14, a couple of
19:21:17 20-inch size.
19:21:19 >> At that size, can't they be spaced out and
19:21:24 preserved and put back?
19:21:26 >>> On a canopy tree it's easier to transplant a 6 to
19:21:31 8-inch tree.
19:21:32 The larger you go in caliper the larger it takes for
19:21:35 that tree to reestablish, and to continue to grow, and
19:21:42 On a large tree, when you transplant it, we need a
19:21:46 significant amount of maintenance agreement to be met.
19:21:52 And the trees will need a considerable amount of
19:21:55 When you transplant a tree that large, the potential
19:21:59 for failure is great.
19:22:02 >> That looks like a parking area also?
19:22:05 So that was part of some type of landscaping that was
19:22:08 done, how long ago?
19:22:13 >>> I don't have it in front of me.
19:22:18 >>MARY ALVAREZ: Leave that up, Mary.
19:22:24 If they don't remove those trees, what do you propose
19:22:27 that they do there?
19:22:28 >>> We would like to see further mitigation, either
19:22:32 smaller trees, try to transplant some of those, if
19:22:36 there are enough of those in a smaller size.
19:22:38 Or a relocation or shifting of the building or some
19:22:45 further preservation.
19:22:47 >> Have they agreed to that?
19:22:49 >> We have met them on the site and they have shifted
19:22:54 buildings and done some reshaping of the pond.
19:22:59 And shifting of other buildings.
19:23:01 But I still have a vague issue with the amount of
19:23:06 canopy that can be removed from the site.
19:23:10 >> Is that going to be a parking lot for them, parking
19:23:16 A building?
19:23:16 I can't tell.
19:23:25 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I don't know if you are the right
19:23:29 person to ask, but I guess the obvious question is if
19:23:32 there's parking already, and they have tremendous
19:23:37 designed parking in here that is both existing and
19:23:41 new, in that particular location, where there happened
19:23:46 to be trees, the need to have a different use there,
19:23:52 and why there can't be continued parking with existing
19:23:57 >>> I think that is the question.
19:23:58 >> The obvious question here.
19:24:00 So it doesn't seem to make a lot of intuitive sense to
19:24:05 leave a whole other area, and you have an area that's
19:24:08 parking with trees they had developed there.
19:24:11 So I would hope that somebody might answer that
19:24:13 question at some point.
19:24:19 >> Thank you.
19:24:19 Wilson Stair.
19:24:25 >>WILSON STAIR: Wilson Stair, design division.
19:24:27 I have been sworn.
19:24:27 When we reviewed this project, we looked at the big
19:24:32 It's 32 acres.
19:24:35 There will be roughly ten buildings.
19:24:38 When we first looked at the Westshore commercial
19:24:41 overlay standard and really got down to the purpose
19:24:44 and intent, what was it they really wanted to achieve
19:24:47 by this overlay district?
19:24:50 It was to establish a district character, create an
19:24:55 appealing environment, and enhance pedestrian
19:24:58 As well as several others.
19:25:02 The two main objections, I think as far as we looked
19:25:07 at this project, mainly because of its magnitude, is
19:25:14 they've got most of their parking garages along Grady
19:25:17 street on the east side of the project.
19:25:20 And the code requires them to put office, retail or
19:25:25 commercial tenants on the first floor of parking
19:25:32 And if they are within 25 feet of the right-of-way,
19:25:35 which in this case the petitioner can speak to.
19:25:40 The other issue is more a slippery slope.
19:25:44 And that gets into architectural style.
19:25:46 And again the architect is here tonight.
19:25:51 And it's mainly the office buildings, just feel that
19:25:56 the shape and look of them can be improved.
19:25:59 And I certainly would be willing to work with the
19:26:03 architect to achieve that.
19:26:06 But the area of Westshore -- I mean, you have got
19:26:10 International Plaza.
19:26:11 A lot of the office buildings going up around those
19:26:14 are done well.
19:26:16 And I just think that they should work a little
19:26:20 harder, at least on the shape and especially the
19:26:26 They did a good job, at least with the elevations of
19:26:29 the retail.
19:26:31 But we would like them to revisit the office buildings
19:26:36 in particular, and we do require by ordinance that 70%
19:26:41 of buildings facing the street need to be embellished
19:26:45 in some way.
19:26:46 And there's a variety of ways you can do that.
19:26:50 Architectural features, doors and windows and things
19:26:53 like that.
19:26:54 But that's mainly our comments on the project.
19:26:59 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Thank you.
19:27:00 Mr. Stair, what you are saying is that if you have
19:27:04 structured parking, we are log at two very large
19:27:07 structured parking proposals that's supposed to be
19:27:11 some activity, some interest on those ground floors,
19:27:15 and according to the plan I'm seeing, I don't see it.
19:27:18 >>WILSON STAIR: That's correct.
19:27:19 And that's another good point.
19:27:22 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Do they have copies of our
19:27:25 Westshore overlay plan?
19:27:29 >>WILSON STAIR: As far as I know, they do.
19:27:32 Any other questions?
19:27:33 >>GWEN MILLER: Other questions by council members?
19:27:35 >>MARY ALVAREZ: I think what you are saying is too
19:27:38 many buildings.
19:27:43 Too many.
19:27:44 >>GWEN MILLER: Who else?
19:27:45 Next speaker.
19:27:48 >>> Good evening.
19:27:49 Richard Vickers, Department of Transportation we are
19:27:53 here today, tonight, as part of your DRC review
19:27:57 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I'm sorry to interrupt.
19:27:59 For the record, you have been sworn?
19:28:00 >>> I have been sworn.
19:28:05 Our file indicates that we reviewed plans dated
19:28:10 December 21st, 06, and we provided comments on the
19:28:14 17th of January.
19:28:15 Apparently, the city received the response from a
19:28:20 developer the end of January indicating they would be
19:28:24 meeting with us relative to our objections to their
19:28:29 We have not met with them, haven't heard from them,
19:28:32 and we didn't receive a copy until today.
19:28:36 So we just think it's premature.
19:28:38 We would like to finish off the VRC process with them.
19:28:42 And may have some big issues, we may not.
19:28:49 >> I have an important question.
19:28:52 When you re review them do you look at pedestrian and
19:28:55 bicycle pedestrians as well as the impact on vehicular
19:28:59 >>> The question makes me glad that I brought Judy
19:29:01 Smith from our access management section.
19:29:09 >> I'm Judy Smith, D.O.T., access management.
19:29:13 Yes, I have been sworn in.
19:29:17 We certainly do review pedestrian trailways, making
19:29:23 them pedestrian friendly.
19:29:27 In fact, at this point, there is a section of FDOT
19:29:32 that typically addresses those particular items.
19:29:38 In this particular incidence, we had four major
19:29:44 But we never did hear from the petitioner, tried to
19:29:50 discover the objections, if the plan could be revised.
19:29:54 When I received the revised plans, the objections were
19:30:05 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Would you tell us what your
19:30:07 objections were?
19:30:08 Did we get a copy of these?
19:30:11 >>> Yes.
19:30:11 I submitted to you first in January and again in
19:30:23 >>CHARLES FLETCHER: For clarity, the city has them but
19:30:25 I don't know that council does.
19:30:27 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Could I throw out a point of order
19:30:32 >>GWEN MILLER: Are you finished, Ms. Saul-Sena?
19:30:35 >> I would like to hear his point of order.
19:30:37 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: The point of order goes to Mr.
19:30:41 Do we really want to be wrestling with this form here
19:30:45 I know you said you prefer to go forward.
19:30:47 D.O.T. has got objections.
19:30:49 There's apparently some staff clarification and that
19:30:51 sort of thing.
19:30:53 You indicated that you might be okay with additional
19:30:57 Why don't we just do that?
19:31:01 >>> Again, that's in council's discretion.
19:31:03 There are issues.
19:31:05 And if I could just speak to the DRC issue. The DRC
19:31:09 process is we go to a meeting, we get comments back
19:31:12 from reviewing agencies, we submit that to our staff
19:31:15 We don't go to each individual agency.
19:31:17 Apparently it didn't get back to D.O.T.
19:31:19 The issues about which they are concerned relate to
19:31:22 issues that have to be addressed in the driveway
19:31:25 permitting process, not in the zoning process.
19:31:28 So we thought it was inappropriate to deal with those
19:31:30 at the same level.
19:31:31 And we made that response to city staff.
19:31:33 And apparently never got back to D.O.T.
19:31:35 So, again, there are things that certainly we would
19:31:40 like to continue the discussion on, if council would
19:31:44 agree to continue this to some reasonable date.
19:31:49 We would not object to that.
19:31:50 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: We could do a day meeting because
19:31:53 it doesn't appear there's neighborhood --
19:31:56 >>GWEN MILLER: Yes, there is.
19:31:57 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I apologize.
19:31:58 I thought you were staff.
19:32:01 >>CHARLES FLETCHER: Well, just on the D.O.T. issue.
19:32:03 And it's the petitioner's -- to go in the zoning
19:32:06 process without resolving the D.O.T. issues, and if
19:32:09 they want to do that, I don't have a problem with
19:32:12 The only thing I would mention is by the time you get
19:32:14 back, whenever that's going to be, you don't want to
19:32:17 have three people here that are going to be here at
19:32:19 that point.
19:32:22 I'm not sure what the value is.
19:32:27 And to have my question answered and entertain more
19:32:30 time on this.
19:32:30 I don't have a problem with that.
19:32:32 But in terms of the value and the process.
19:32:39 >>> Maybe I can ask the question, war the potential
19:32:41 continuance dates?
19:32:43 That may definitely help.
19:32:45 >>GWEN MILLER: See what dates you have open.
19:32:49 >>JILL FINNEY: For an evening meeting?
19:33:01 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Mr. Bricklemyer, from my
19:33:05 perspective, you are going to have to do such a major
19:33:07 redesign that you are going to need the additional
19:33:09 time to go back to the drawing board.
19:33:12 Because from what I saw here, and what I heard from
19:33:18 both landscaping expert and our urban design expert,
19:33:24 you haven't provided what we need provided.
19:33:27 And I think you really need to look at this and think
19:33:30 about really redesigning the whole thing.
19:33:32 We are talking about something that's supposed to be
19:33:36 an urban mixed use.
19:33:38 And the lack of activity on the bottom of the parking
19:33:44 structures, the lack of respect for the existing tree
19:33:47 canopy, those are really significant, basic thoughts
19:33:53 that you have to design around.
19:33:54 And I think this is going to take major rethinking.
19:33:57 So if she gives you a couple of months out, you're
19:33:59 going to need that time to really go back to the
19:34:02 drawing board.
19:34:03 Because what's before us is not satisfying our staff
19:34:07 on whom we depend.
19:34:11 >>> I understand that, council member.
19:34:12 We have not made our presentation.
19:34:14 You have not heard from our architects.
19:34:16 There's a different story.
19:34:17 But be that as it may, I understand what you're
19:34:22 >> And I wouldn't be averse to hear their side of it.
19:34:26 I would be interested to see how they make this
19:34:29 Personally, I don't see it at this point.
19:34:31 So I wouldn't mind hearing that.
19:34:32 I think that might be interesting to me personally.
19:34:35 But that's at the discretion of the other board
19:34:42 members who may not feel the same way.
19:34:46 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: But I have talked to the lady from
19:34:49 the Department of Transportation about her issues.
19:34:53 >>> Can I submit her comments into the record?
19:34:58 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Should I make copies?
19:35:00 Just make copies?
19:35:02 And the original is?
19:35:05 >>GWEN MILLER: I think we need to hear from the
19:35:09 gentleman who is in opposition.
19:35:11 Maybe Mr. Bricklemyer might need to meet with him.
19:35:14 >> Mr. Bricklemyer has not made his presentation.
19:35:20 >>JULIA COLE: I think we need to raise a couple issues
19:35:23 And before we move forward, I think, though, the
19:35:27 first -- as we deal with some of these other issues, I
19:35:30 think the first question is whether or not there is a
19:35:33 date that is acceptable to Mr. Bricklemyer which he
19:35:36 will agree to be continued to, as I said.
19:35:39 He has a right to go forward with the petition that is
19:35:41 in front of you.
19:35:43 He has that right.
19:35:44 But he goes forward with what you have in front of
19:35:46 you, not any potential changes.
19:35:48 And if that is ultimately denied or approved, that's
19:35:52 what he has.
19:35:54 Now, I understand he is willing to look at
19:35:56 continuance, given what dates are available.
19:35:59 And I'm not sure.
19:36:04 >>> The next available date is July 26th because
19:36:07 we have several months of only one meeting.
19:36:12 >> Your options are --
19:36:14 >>> Or council can waive.
19:36:15 >> To another date if that's something they are
19:36:17 willing --
19:36:18 >>> Let's hear from the -- they might change to a day
19:36:22 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Council, I am going to ask,
19:36:24 considering that this is a contested issue, that we
19:36:27 follow our rules of procedure, and we don't deviate
19:36:29 from it just for the sake of protecting all parties'
19:36:33 rights, that we not take any shortcuts, and we do it
19:36:36 as cleanly as possible so there be no misunderstanding
19:36:39 down the road.
19:36:40 I just ask you for that courtesy, please.
19:36:47 >> The question, I believe the threshold question is
19:36:51 whether Mr. Bricklemyer wishes to ask for a
19:36:54 continuance at this point in time based on an
19:36:56 available date that's acceptable, or he wishes to
19:37:01 And perhaps ask for a continuance at a later date at
19:37:05 council's discretion, or later time during this
19:37:07 hearing, I should say.
19:37:10 >>> And I think the question for us as I phrase it
19:37:13 earlier is what would that date be?
19:37:14 And that's what's most important.
19:37:20 >>GWEN MILLER: July.
19:37:23 >>> Unless council chooses to waive it to other points
19:37:27 during the night.
19:37:28 It's up to council.
19:37:28 I don't take a position.
19:37:31 >>GWEN MILLER: Mr. Shelby, maybe we can hear from the
19:37:33 opposition and maybe something that they have they can
19:37:37 work out and waive the rules.
19:37:40 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Council, what you haven't heard
19:37:43 testimony from, because of right of sequence, you
19:37:47 heard from Department of Transportation that there are
19:37:49 issues that have not been addressed.
19:37:54 Now, the thing is that the staff has not finished
19:37:57 their presentation.
19:37:59 The Planning Commission has yet to give their
19:38:01 And you have yet to hear from Mr. Bricklemyer.
19:38:05 So the question is, I suggest that you do all that
19:38:08 before you open the door to opposition and take things
19:38:11 out of order, that we at least afford people an
19:38:13 orderly due process in order to protect this record.
19:38:22 >>> May I make one more comment?
19:38:24 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Please.
19:38:25 >>> In the response provided by the developer to the
19:38:27 city, on January 31st of this year, it says the
19:38:32 applicant will be meeting with the FDOT to discuss
19:38:34 this comment.
19:38:36 Another response: The applicant will be meeting with
19:38:38 the FDOT to discuss this comment.
19:38:40 We never heard from them and we didn't get a copy of
19:38:43 their response until today.
19:38:45 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Thank you.
19:38:47 >>GWEN MILLER: Planning Commission, do you want to do
19:38:49 your presentation?
19:38:50 >>TONY GARCIA: Thank you, Madam Chair.
19:38:54 I'm the last reviewing agent so I appreciate can
19:38:56 getting my comments in on the record.
19:39:00 I will be brief and to the point with the
19:39:09 Just a couple of additional comments.
19:39:10 The predominant land use category is regional mixed
19:39:14 use 100, the most significant mixed use category that
19:39:17 we have other than the central business district right
19:39:18 here downtown.
19:39:21 And we do know this is over 30 acres in size.
19:39:25 We do have -- this is -- Grady is a very difficult
19:39:30 ingress-egress point.
19:39:32 We have a light at the intersection of Jim Walter
19:39:34 Boulevard and we have a light over here at Willis and
19:39:38 Boy Scout, in between those lights and those corridors
19:39:41 right there.
19:39:42 Regarding the request, in the size and intensity,
19:39:47 Planning Commission staff finds the request
19:39:50 consistent, but we do have comments regarding the
19:39:53 proposed site.
19:39:53 This will basically do as far as development from Dale
19:39:58 Mabry down to Westshore.
19:39:59 There's one other project that will be coming to you.
19:40:01 Actually, you approved this piece over here for some
19:40:04 additional commercial uses.
19:40:06 This is Lee Roy Selmon, of course Roys, and I forget
19:40:12 the other one, the stake place.
19:40:14 And then of course there's one other development down
19:40:16 around Trask that you will be seeing in the ensuing
19:40:20 months ahead and that will pretty much do it as far as
19:40:23 development on the southern face of Boy Scout
19:40:25 The additional comments I want to mention were these
19:40:27 as regards to transportation.
19:40:28 Even though the project is mostly self-contained, the
19:40:31 issue of interconnectiveness on this project as
19:40:35 relates to other significant areas of the Westshore
19:40:38 business district is important.
19:40:39 So effort should be made to ensure that projects such
19:40:41 as this are effectively connected, via an efficient
19:40:45 multi-modal system, providing additional opportunities
19:40:48 to citizens and visitors to improve Congress and make
19:40:51 it truly a livable community.
19:40:52 Also, the slide in question as I state -- site is N
19:40:56 question is one of the larger segments on Boy Scout
19:40:58 Boulevard and will make a significant impact to the
19:41:01 surrounding area.
19:41:02 Therefore consideration should ensure that it reflects
19:41:07 a true sense of place as stated, providing
19:41:11 interconnectiveness to accessibility by consumers and
19:41:18 Thank you.
19:41:18 >>GWEN MILLER: Ms. Cole, you say you are trying to get
19:41:24 a date?
19:41:24 >>JULIA COLE: After discussion, you have June 14th
19:41:32 is a date that Mr. Bricklemyer -- it was acceptable to
19:41:36 Mr. Bricklemyer.
19:41:38 Do you have 13 case that is night.
19:41:39 So in order to add this case you would have to waive
19:41:41 the rules.
19:41:42 I did want to let you know that I spoke with the
19:41:44 persons who are here to discuss this issue, and they
19:41:47 were okay with the continuance.
19:41:52 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Move to waive the rules.
19:41:55 >> Second.
19:41:55 (Motion carried).
19:41:56 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Move to continue this until June
19:41:59 14th at 6 p.m.
19:42:03 >> Second.
19:42:03 >>GWEN MILLER: Question on the motion.
19:42:04 Mr. Shelby.
19:42:05 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I would just ask to hear from
19:42:07 petitioner whether that is the petitioner's request
19:42:09 and he agrees to that continuance.
19:42:15 >>> Yes, sir.
19:42:19 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I would like to really encourage
19:42:21 the petitioner to think carefully about the proposed
19:42:24 site plan about the building elevations, about the
19:42:28 interconnectivity, the sorts of things Tony referred
19:42:32 to in his Planning Commission recommendation.
19:42:34 30 acres is a huge responsibility.
19:42:35 That is like a new town.
19:42:38 You have the opportunity to create something that
19:42:40 would really be a contribution to the Westshore area,
19:42:44 or be an enclave to itself.
19:42:47 And it would be my intent that you really want it to
19:42:49 be connected on a variety of transportation levels, to
19:42:53 make anesthetic contribution to the area, and to
19:42:58 certainly not take away from the tree canopy.
19:43:00 And we are looking at transit.
19:43:02 You really need to think this through because these
19:43:04 are the questions that the council that you will
19:43:05 appear before will be interested in asking.
19:43:07 And we are going to want reassurance from our staff
19:43:10 that they are satisfied with what you are proposing.
19:43:14 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: One thing, on the tree canopy,
19:43:17 usually I'm wholly in support of the tree canopy but
19:43:19 this is sort of an artificial tree canopy because it
19:43:22 was planted 15 years ago when this project was first
19:43:26 So, you know, I don't know.
19:43:29 I feel like if they can mitigate it, you know, with
19:43:33 the new tree canopy and the larger caliper, then that
19:43:38 might be something that we can look at.
19:43:41 I just want to throw that, because I'm not sure it's
19:43:44 realistic to say that -- to save those oak trees
19:43:48 there, if that's right in the middle of the rest of
19:43:51 the project.
19:43:55 That's all.
19:43:59 >>GWEN MILLER: We have a motion and second to continue
19:44:01 item number 10 to June 14th.
19:44:06 At 6 p.m.
19:44:07 All in favor of the motion say Aye.
19:44:08 Opposed, Nay.
19:44:11 Anything else to come before council?
19:44:14 >> Move to receive and file.
19:44:15 >> Second.
19:44:15 (Motion carried).
19:44:17 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Madam Chairman, I would like to
19:44:19 request that the city staff make available to all the
19:44:22 council members at the beginning of April that special
19:44:27 seminar on foreign-based zoning.
19:44:29 I heard that there were openings for two council
19:44:31 members and I don't think that's fair.
19:44:33 I think it should be open to all seven council members
19:44:35 to learn about form-based zoning because we are going
19:44:38 to -- want to participate in this.
19:44:44 I move that we request the administration make slots
19:44:47 available in the form-based zoning similar at the --
19:44:50 seminar at the beginning of April to all council
19:44:52 members, and that they not schedule anything that
19:44:55 would conflict with it because I think that this is a
19:44:59 terrific opportunity for council members to learn
19:45:01 about form-based zoning.
19:45:04 And we request that legal do the proper notification
19:45:09 so that if more than one council member attends that,
19:45:12 that it's legally advertised and recorded.
19:45:17 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Ms. Saul-Sena, just so you know, just
19:45:20 this evening I did send an e-mail to Darrell Smith
19:45:25 asking that he provide me with information and allow
19:45:28 me the possibility of being included in that myself.
19:45:32 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Absolutely.
19:45:33 So that's a motion.
19:45:34 >>GWEN MILLER: We have a motion and second.
19:45:36 (Motion carried).
19:45:37 Anything else to come before council?
19:45:40 We stand adjourned.
19:45:42 (City Council meeting adjourned)