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Tampa City Council
Thursday, August 9, 2007
6:00 p.m. session

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18:13:37 [Sounding gavel]
18:13:38 >>GWEN MILLER: Tampa City Council is called to order.
18:13:40 It is my honor tonight to introduce a very special
18:13:43 guest to do the invocation.
18:13:46 The city clerk and we are very proud of her.
18:13:48 She's a hard worker.
18:13:50 And this is Ms. Shirley Foxx-Knowles.
18:13:54 Will you please stand and remain standing for the
18:13:56 pledge of allegiance?

18:13:57 >>SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES: Good evening, council, and
18:13:59 everyone.
18:13:59 Let us pray.
18:14:00 O Lord, our Lord, how excellent is Thy name in all the
18:14:05 earth.
18:14:05 Gracious father, we thank you this evening for this
18:14:09 place in time.
18:14:11 Thank you for our fair city and for those gathered
18:14:15 here this evening for our council meeting.
18:14:17 Thank you for our council members, our mayor, our
18:14:20 administration, the employees of the great City of
18:14:22 Tampa, and our wonderful citizens.
18:14:26 Bless them, father, and keep them in your care.
18:14:29 Father, we again ask that you give the City Council
18:14:35 members the gift of faith, hope, charity, and
18:14:38 compassion in the decisions they must make this
18:14:41 evening, and to give them understanding to the
18:14:44 individuals who will come before this council.
18:14:47 We ask that you guide them and continue to make them
18:14:51 instruments of your will.
18:14:53 Lead them as they make the decisions that affect the
18:14:56 lives of the citizens of our fair city.

18:14:59 And now, O Lord, as we go about the worldly matters of
18:15:04 this city let us again remember to be kind and
18:15:06 understanding of each other.
18:15:09 Bless us with patience, integrity, and honesty.
18:15:12 We pray for your blessing, your peace, your grace, and
18:15:17 your mercy.
18:15:19 These things we ask with humble hearts.
18:15:21 Amen.
18:15:33 >>GWEN MILLER: Roll call.
18:15:41 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Here.
18:15:42 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Here.
18:15:47 >>MARY MULHERN: Here.
18:15:49 >>GWEN MILLER: I'd like to put on the record that Mr.
18:15:52 Joseph Caetano and Reverend Scott will not be here at
18:15:55 the meeting tonight.
18:16:00 We have unfinished business from this morning.
18:16:02 We have a resolution that we need to pass.
18:16:04 The resolution.
18:16:10 Need to move the resolution.
18:16:11 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: So moved.
18:16:12 >> Second.
18:16:12 (Motion carried).

18:16:13 >>JILL FINNEY: Land Development Coordination.
18:16:20 Before I clear the agenda, I would just like to remind
18:16:23 you that we have started our new process where changes
18:16:30 can occur between the first and second reading as long
18:16:32 as they are minor.
18:16:33 Should they be substantial changes they will require a
18:16:35 full week continuance.
18:16:37 When you make the motion you need to clearly state
18:16:39 what it is that needs to be addressed on the revised
18:16:43 site plan.
18:16:51 For item number 3, the petitioner would like to
18:16:55 request a continuance this evening, Mr. Dave Mechanik.
18:17:01 >>GWEN MILLER: Is the petitioner here?
18:17:04 >>DAVID MECHANIK: 305 south Boulevard.
18:17:07 I'm here on behalf of the applicant.
18:17:09 We would like to ask for a continuance in light of the
18:17:12 fact that we know two of the council members will not
18:17:15 be here this evening.
18:17:16 We would like the opportunity to present the rezoning
18:17:22 application to full City Council.
18:17:24 And if possible, I don't believe there is any
18:17:28 neighborhood opposition, if it's possible to continue

18:17:30 to a day hearing, then we wouldn't jam up another
18:17:35 evening.
18:17:35 >>GWEN MILLER: Is there anyone in the public that came
18:17:37 to speak on item number 3?
18:17:39 To speak on the continuance?
18:17:40 Anyone that came to speak on item 3?
18:17:43 Item 3 is Laurel gardens.
18:17:48 The petitioner at 1220 and 1280 north O'Brien street.
18:17:55 Is that it?
18:17:56 1220 and 1280 north O'Brien street.
18:17:59 Anyone that came to speak on that?
18:18:02 The only thing you can speak on is the continuance.
18:18:05 You're fine with the continuance?
18:18:07 Okay.
18:18:07 What date do you have?
18:18:12 >>JILL FINNEY: For the daytime, would you like --
18:18:14 >>GWEN MILLER: That would be fine if there's no
18:18:15 opposition.
18:18:16 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Madam Chairman, I'd like to know if
18:18:20 the people who came to speak on it would prefer a day
18:18:23 or night meeting.
18:18:24 >>GWEN MILLER: The one man in the back, you can speak

18:18:27 on. This you are in opposition, to number 3?
18:18:40 They want to move it to the day.
18:18:42 >> Would you prefer day or evening?
18:18:44 >>> Evening.
18:18:45 >> Okay.
18:18:47 We have to do evening.
18:18:48 >>JILL FINNEY: If I may ask the clerk how many plan
18:18:51 amendments I have on August 23rd.
18:18:58 >>THE CLERK: There are three.
18:19:04 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Rezonings?
18:19:06 >>> Yes, rezonings.
18:19:09 >> August 23rd.
18:19:10 >> So moved.
18:19:11 >>MARTIN SHELBY: It will be necessary to make a motion
18:19:15 to open the hearing tonight.
18:19:17 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: So moved to open number 3.
18:19:20 >> Second.
18:19:20 (Motion carried).
18:19:20 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: So moved to continue to August
18:19:24 23rd, the first available slot.
18:19:26 >>GWEN MILLER: At 6 p.m.
18:19:28 All in favor of that motion?

18:19:30 (Motion carried).
18:19:31 >>JILL FINNEY: Item number 4 is requesting a
18:19:35 continuance to October 11th hearing.
18:19:46 They have a related appeal concerning use.
18:19:51 >> Need to open the hearing.
18:19:53 >> So moved.
18:19:53 >> Second.
18:19:54 (Motion carried).
18:19:55 >>GWEN MILLER: Did anyone in the public come to speak
18:19:57 on item number 4?
18:19:59 On West Gray Street?
18:20:02 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Item number 4, I believe, is west
18:20:08 Nassau and west grace.
18:20:11 >>GWEN MILLER: Anyone to speak on item 4?
18:20:14 >> So moved to continue to October 11th at 6:00.
18:20:19 >> Second.
18:20:20 (Motion carried).
18:20:20 >>JILL FINNEY: Item number 7 is requesting a
18:20:25 continuance, or actually is going to be a
18:20:29 rescheduling, because they are going to have to amend
18:20:31 their petition.
18:20:32 It came in as a PD.

18:20:34 They are currently requesting Euclidean, to September
18:20:36 27.
18:20:37 >>GWEN MILLER: Need to open the public hearing.
18:20:39 >> So moved.
18:20:39 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I don't believe so.
18:20:42 I'm sorry.
18:20:44 I don't believe you have to open it because it's going
18:20:46 to be rescheduled and it has to be renoticed, is that
18:20:50 correct?
18:20:53 >>> Motion to amend and reschedule.
18:20:56 >>GWEN MILLER: Is there anyone in the public that came
18:20:57 to speak on item 7?
18:20:59 We need a motion.
18:21:04 >>GWEN MILLER: You came to speak on item 7?
18:21:07 Are you opposed to the continuance?
18:21:09 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I believe it's going to be an amended
18:21:11 petition so there's really nothing for them to be able
18:21:13 to object to tonight.
18:21:14 It has to come back.
18:21:16 >>GWEN MILLER: You have to come back September
18:21:17 27th.
18:21:19 September 27th at 6 p.m.

18:21:21 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: So moved for September 27th at
18:21:26 6 p.m.
18:21:27 >> Second.
18:21:27 (Motion carried).
18:21:28 >>JILL FINNEY: I want to go back to item number 1 for
18:21:34 a moment.
18:21:34 This was previously heard March 22nd.
18:21:37 At that point, council was going to move to deny, but
18:21:42 they offered petitioner the opportunity to amend his
18:21:44 petition.
18:21:45 And come back with a PD.
18:21:47 I have not received an amended petition, nor have I
18:21:50 received the amendment fee.
18:21:52 So at this point you can either open it, hear it, and
18:21:56 vote on it as it was, or else you can vote on it based
18:22:00 on what is in the record.
18:22:03 >>GWEN MILLER: Is petitioner here for number 1?
18:22:15 >> Carlos Castilla.
18:22:21
18:22:32 It was changed for the PD.
18:22:34 I don't know what happened.
18:22:35 >>GWEN MILLER: You say you brought it into the clerk's

18:22:38 office?
18:22:40 >>JILL FINNEY: I have not received the amended
18:22:42 petition.
18:22:43 Nor a site plan.
18:22:53 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Senior Castilla.
18:23:05 (Speaking Spanish).
18:23:06 What I'm saying to the gentleman, I'm sure Mr. Garcia
18:23:47 can interpret it for me --
18:23:50 >>> I understand.
18:23:52 >> Sometime in January and went to continuation in
18:23:54 March and from March the council was nice enough to
18:23:57 set it for the calendar for August 9th.
18:23:59 We have not heard from him since then.
18:24:01 Am I correct?
18:24:05 >>> Yes, you're correct.
18:24:07 >> Maybe it's the difference of languages and he said
18:24:11 he left the information today some or all of it at the
18:24:17 clerk's office.
18:24:18 That's yet to be determined.
18:24:19 (Speaking Spanish).
18:24:59 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: What he's saying is that he has the
18:25:01 notification.

18:25:03 He came in, and --
18:25:07 (Speaking Spanish).
18:25:08 -- he got the notice for the 250 feet notification
18:25:12 requirement.
18:25:13 He handed in the forms.
18:25:15 They were received and accepted and they told him in
18:25:17 30 days.
18:25:21 (Speaking Spanish).
18:25:23 And he said he's complied.
18:25:24 But evidently they haven't got it.
18:25:27 (Speaking Spanish)
18:25:28 In the next building over there.
18:25:30 >>> He was also required to submit a site plan.
18:25:32 We have not received the site plan.
18:25:37 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Continue it for 60 days and sort it
18:25:40 out?
18:25:42 >>> It would be a rescheduling.
18:25:49 >>> Excuse me.
18:25:51 (Speaking Spanish).
18:26:04 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: He went to the building next door.
18:26:05 They sent him here.
18:26:07 He followed the direction and gave a written card

18:26:11 tonight.
18:26:11 >>GWEN MILLER: Did you receive anything?
18:26:16 >>> I think what happened, even if he came to our
18:26:18 office what he was trying to turn in was just a notice
18:26:21 letter because he was asked to renotice.
18:26:23 He's amending the petition to a PD, a planned
18:26:25 development, from a Euclidean.
18:26:27 He was required not only to do notice but also to
18:26:30 generate a site plan which was never done.
18:26:32 I think there's a misunderstanding.
18:26:33 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Okay, I understand that.
18:26:35 (Speaking Spanish).
18:26:40 (Speaking Spanish).
18:27:02 >>GWEN MILLER: What does he need to do, Ms. Finney?
18:27:09 >>> He's going to have to have time enough to go to
18:27:12 DRC because he's going to have a site plan.
18:27:14 So if we could get him on the October 25th date,
18:27:19 he's going to have to renotice, send everything as if
18:27:23 it's a new petition.
18:27:26 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
18:27:27 (Speaking Spanish).
18:27:27 Give your phone number so he can communicate.

18:27:55 >>> And he's going to have to also do the difference
18:27:59 between a Euclidean zoning and --
18:28:03 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Please give him your card or number
18:28:05 so he can reach you.
18:28:08 You have to make a phone call.
18:28:11 >> Move to reschedule to September 25th at 6 p.m.
18:28:14 >> Second.
18:28:14 (Motion carried)
18:28:15 >>GWEN MILLER: We need to open number 2.
18:28:28 >>GWEN MILLER: Anyone that's going to speak on 2, 5,
18:28:34 6, 8, 9 and 10, would you please stand and raise your
18:28:37 right hand.
18:28:44 (Oath administered by Clerk).
18:28:45 >>GWEN MILLER: We need to open number 2.
18:28:48 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: So moved to open item number 2.
18:28:54 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Briefly, all communication relative
18:28:57 to tonight's hearing which has been available for
18:28:59 public inspection at City Council's office needs to be
18:29:02 received and filed at this time.
18:29:03 Motion, please?
18:29:04 >> So moved.
18:29:04 >> Second.

18:29:05 (Motion carried).
18:29:07 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Briefly, any ex parte communications.
18:29:13 Finally, ladies and gentlemen, for those who will be
18:29:15 testifying during tonight's hearing I ask when you
18:29:17 state your name, please reaffirm for the record that
18:29:20 you have been sworn in.
18:29:21 I put a little sign up there and I thank you.
18:29:26 >>JILL FINNEY: Land Development Coordination.
18:29:28 I have been sworn.
18:29:28 We are here tonight on petition Z-07-34 located at
18:29:33 3507 east 38th street.
18:29:36 The current zoning of this site is RS-50 residential
18:29:40 single family with proposed special use of family
18:29:42 daycare facility.
18:29:46 Petitioner is requesting a special use for the
18:29:47 property to allow for the use of a large family
18:29:49 daycare center which will allow for up to 12 children.
18:29:54 The 12,000 square foot site is located in RS-50 zoning
18:29:58 district surrounded by single-family homes. The site
18:30:01 currently contains an existing single-family home.
18:30:05 To the north is 22.9 feet.
18:30:08 To the west is 12.1 feet.

18:30:10 To the south is 29 feet.
18:30:12 And to the east is 26.1 feet.
18:30:15 A total ... parking is provided within the two,
18:30:23 two-car garages and three tandem spaces in the
18:30:27 driveway.
18:30:36 Can I have the Elmo?
18:30:48 As you can see, it is in an RS-50 neighborhood.
18:31:10 Here is the aerial of the site.
18:31:24 (off microphone)
18:31:30 Here is a picture of the site.
18:31:40 Here's another picture.
18:31:48 You can see the play area for the children.
18:31:55 Here are some of the neighbors, single family detached
18:32:00 housing in the area.
18:32:07 There were a few issues with the site plan that made
18:32:10 us find the site plan inconsistent.
18:32:12 However, everything, all the issues can be addressed
18:32:16 through minor changes before second reading.
18:32:23 If you choose to go forward and approve this, we can
18:32:26 read those issues into the record.
18:32:29 So that they can have it in the motion.
18:32:35 The note that needs to be added, some of the

18:32:39 inconsistencies for zoning.
18:32:41 They just need the request and waiver, because they
18:32:43 are a local street, and they need an arterial or
18:32:50 collector road, and a little bit of green space was
18:32:53 mill calculated so they just need to amend the numbers
18:32:56 and change the tree count.
18:32:58 And that concludes my presentation.
18:33:14 >>TONY GARCIA: Planning Commission staff.
18:33:17 I have been sworn in.
18:33:20 Just several additional statements.
18:33:27 The predominant land use categories in this area.
18:33:31 On 34th street, commercial and general commercial,
18:33:39 higher density residential use.
18:33:42 They have the commercial 24 which allows commercial
18:33:45 intensive uses.
18:33:49 The predominant land use category is residential 10
18:33:52 which is what land use designation is for the proposed
18:33:56 site in question.
18:34:00 The site is within the East Tampa redevelopment area
18:34:02 with the East Tampa CRA.
18:34:04 Multiple uses within the area are predominantly single
18:34:07 family attached uses.

18:34:09 However, the residential land use category does allow
18:34:12 neighborhood serving community uses such as daycare
18:34:15 centers and churches, within the particular area.
18:34:20 Planning Commission staff finds the proposed
18:34:23 Consistent with the comprehensive plan.
18:34:26 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I have a question for our tree
18:34:28 specialist.
18:34:29 There are some comments that are landscaping issues
18:34:34 that haven't been addressed.
18:34:37 >> Mary Daniels Bryce, Land Development Coordination.
18:34:40 The site plan did present some shortcomings regarding
18:34:48 green space.
18:34:49 I have since calculated that.
18:34:51 They can waive, do administrative waiver for special
18:34:55 use, and get the green space waived, and we would find
18:35:00 that consistent.
18:35:00 We do need to make the changes.
18:35:02 There are a couple calculations in the tree table for
18:35:05 minimum required number trees.
18:35:06 We would need those to be updated in the current
18:35:09 calculations on the tree table.
18:35:11 And after that is done, it could be considered.

18:35:15 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: And that's something that can be
18:35:17 done between first and second reading?
18:35:21 >>> Yes.
18:35:22 >>GWEN MILLER: Petitioner?
18:35:35 >>> My name is Cassandra Pease and I'm petitioner for
18:35:39 a family daycare.
18:35:43 I am accredited with masters, also I have my CDA and
18:35:47 my director's license and I find there's a great need
18:35:49 for the type of daycare home that I have parathyroid
18:35:54 providing for the kids, and keep the waiting list,
18:35:59 wait for me to move forward for the kids I am asking
18:36:03 for.
18:36:03 So I find it is in need of my neighborhood for that
18:36:06 and that's the reason I'm doing it.
18:36:08 >> Is there anyone in the public that wanted to speak
18:36:10 on this item?
18:36:11 Anyone want to speak?
18:36:14 Number 2.
18:36:15 Anyone want to speak on number 2?
18:36:17 Come up and speak if you want to speak.
18:36:22 Are you in favor or are you opposing it?
18:36:32 Anyone in opposition?

18:36:33 All right.
18:36:34 >> Move to close.
18:36:34 >> Second.
18:36:35 (Motion carried)
18:36:35 >>MARY MULHERN: I move an ordinance approving a
18:36:45 special use permit S-2, approving a daycare large
18:36:51 facility in an RS-50 residential single family zoning
18:36:55 district in the general vicinity of 3507 east 38th
18:36:58 Avenue in the city of Tampa, Florida and as more
18:37:00 particularly described in section 1 hereof allowing
18:37:03 for a reduction in the number of required parking
18:37:05 spaces from two to zero, a waiver to allow access to a
18:37:09 local street, providing an effective date.
18:37:15 >>GWEN MILLER: Put the waivers on.
18:37:17 >>JILL FINNEY: They need to add the waivers to allow
18:37:22 the access to a local road, as well as adjust the
18:37:26 changes in green space, minimum required trees.
18:37:33 >>GWEN MILLER: We have a motion and a second.
18:37:35 (Motion carried)
18:37:38 We need to open item number 5.
18:37:44 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Move to open number 5.
18:37:46 (Motion carried)

18:37:48 >>JILL FINNEY: Land Development Coordination.
18:38:29 I have been sworn.
18:38:30 We are here on petition Z 07-64 located at 412 west
18:38:36 Park Avenue A and B, going from RM-16 residential
18:38:40 multifamily to RM-18 residential multifamily.
18:38:44 Petitioner proposes to rezone this property to an
18:38:48 RM-18 zoning district to allow for a triplex on-site.
18:38:52 The site is located within a predominantly single
18:38:55 family detached neighborhood.
18:38:56 There is a presence of historic bungalow homes, more
18:39:00 recently constructed single-family homes.
18:39:03 There is one duplex located north of the site. This
18:39:06 site currently has an existing duplex which is a legal
18:39:09 conforming use.
18:39:10 The site is 7,920 square feet and has a future land
18:39:15 use of residential 35.
18:39:17 Therefore, this rezoning would potentially allow for
18:39:20 just three dwelling units on the site.
18:39:22 No waivers may be requested with this rezoning as it
18:39:25 is Euclidean.
18:39:28 >>GWEN MILLER: Not yet, sir.
18:39:31 Not yet.

18:39:42 As you can see, the site is located in RM-16 zoning.
18:39:50 Here is an aerial of the site.
18:39:55 North Boulevard to the west.
18:39:57 And Massachusetts Avenue to the east.
18:40:06 Park Avenue at the south of the site.
18:40:09 Here is a picture of the site.
18:40:11 This is the existing duplex that is located there.
18:40:20 The home is located to the east of the site.
18:40:24 This is located to the west.
18:40:29 And here you can see this is the existing duplex
18:40:32 located directly across the street.
18:40:41 Based on the character of the neighborhood and the
18:40:42 fact that there is no precedent set whatsoever in this
18:40:46 neighborhood for anything larger than the duplexes
18:40:49 existing, and the one across the street, and the rest
18:40:52 of the neighborhood for predominantly single family,
18:40:59 Land Development Coordination finds this inconsistent
18:41:01 with our code, and as well as the Planning Commission.
18:41:07 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: What is the width of the lot?
18:41:16 >>> 60 feet wide.
18:41:17 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Thank you.
18:41:23 >>TONY GARCIA: Planning Commission staff.

18:41:25 I have been sworn in.
18:41:35 In the Tampa Heights area, just east North Boulevard
18:41:38 between Tampa street and North Boulevard.
18:41:41 And it's just north of Palm Avenue.
18:41:44 As a matter of fact, to the south over here is where
18:41:46 the Heights project is.
18:41:51 Then you have an R-35 land use category residential 35
18:41:54 which does allow single family detached or single
18:41:57 family attached, and to the left we have residential
18:42:04 10 which is predominant lip synch will family detached
18:42:08 use.
18:42:15 The comments that Ms. Finney made regarding the
18:42:17 character of the area.
18:42:18 The land use designation of R-35 does support the
18:42:22 request to go up to the RM-18 from a density because
18:42:28 35 units to the acre, that is why the request is made
18:42:30 for the RM-18.
18:42:32 Of course, do you have a couple of issues going on
18:42:34 there.
18:42:35 Number one, there is no trend in this area to a higher
18:42:38 type of density development for these blocks as one
18:42:44 goes north.

18:42:47 It's pretty much single family detached.
18:42:51 There is only two duplexes on this streets.
18:42:54 As one drives through the streets one can see that
18:42:56 most of the residential revitalization is going on in
18:42:59 the area is for single family attached residences.
18:43:03 Based on the character of the area, Planning
18:43:06 Commission staff finds the proposed request
18:43:09 inconsistent with the request.
18:43:10 >>GWEN MILLER: Petitioner?
18:43:22 >>> Good evening.
18:43:23 >>GWEN MILLER: Put your name on the record.
18:43:25 >>> My name is Henry Graham.
18:43:28 I own the property at 412 west park.
18:43:31 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Have you been sworn in, sir?
18:43:33 Were you sworn in?
18:43:34 Were you sworn?
18:43:36 >>> No.
18:43:38 >>MARTIN SHELBY: You were not.
18:43:39 Okay.
18:43:39 (Oath administered by Clerk).
18:43:46 >>CHAIRMAN: What do you plan to do?
18:43:48 What do you plan to do?

18:43:53 >>> Just add another unit, which is a duplex, triplex.
18:44:00 >>GWEN MILLER: Is there anyone in the public that came
18:44:01 to speak on item number 5?
18:44:04 Come up and speak now.
18:44:09 Come up.
18:44:09 Opposition, yes.
18:44:13 You're in opposition?
18:44:14 Come up and speak.
18:44:18 >>> Mr. Graham would like to put these in for the
18:44:21 record.
18:44:22 Could you pass them around?
18:44:24 >>CHAIRMAN: Come up and speak, sir.
18:44:29 >> Robert Despadia, north Massachusetts, and I have
18:44:33 been sworn in.
18:44:34 And I'm speaking against this rezoning request
18:44:38 because -- and it just doesn't fit the characteristic
18:44:42 of the neighborhood.
18:44:42 Tampa Heights has been coming back.
18:44:45 A lot of families are moving in.
18:44:47 We do have the Heights project, which is multifamily,
18:44:52 and it's south of Ross, and we'd like to keep
18:44:56 multifamily south of Ross and not have it come north.

18:45:00 Because most of the homes that are around that duplex
18:45:04 are single-family homes, and I'm just against this
18:45:08 request.
18:45:08 >>GWEN MILLER: Would anyone else like to speak?
18:45:12 >>MARTIN SHELBY: You can sit down.
18:45:17 Thank you.
18:45:22 >>> My name is Thomas Renaldo, I have been sworn, and
18:45:26 I reside at 2306 north Massachusetts Avenue, and I
18:45:29 would like to speak in opposition to the petition.
18:45:34 Again, as the previous speaker said, the neighborhood
18:45:37 is predominantly single family detached residence, and
18:45:47 the land that I have, from the City of Tampa and back,
18:45:51 I was required to only build a single family
18:45:54 residence, and I don't think the neighborhood should
18:45:56 go beyond that, as that is the characteristic of the
18:46:01 neighborhood.
18:46:01 Thank you.
18:46:01 >>CHAIRMAN: Does anyone else want to speak?
18:46:04 If you are going to speak, please get up and come up
18:46:06 now.
18:46:14 >>> I'm Huffman, I have been sworn in it, 4021 west
18:46:19 Ross Avenue.

18:46:20 I do oppose more duplexes or any more rentals because
18:46:24 of the Heights addition that will be made.
18:46:30 We will have enough townhouses and enough of
18:46:32 everything, that will be rental, I know everything is
18:46:35 starting out for sale but it will end up rental, and I
18:46:38 do oppose it.
18:46:39 >>GWEN MILLER: Would anyone else like to speak?
18:46:41 Petitioner, do you want to come up and say something
18:46:43 else?
18:47:00 >>> With the land that I got there, I got 1900 square
18:47:05 feet of property there.
18:47:06 And it's costing me taxes and mortgage, so that's why
18:47:13 I want to do something with it.
18:47:15 >>GWEN MILLER: Any questions by council members?
18:47:18 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Move to close.
18:47:20 >> Second.
18:47:20 (Motion carried).
18:47:22 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Based on staff recommendation of
18:47:29 incompatibility with the surrounding single-family,
18:47:32 since this already has a request to, it's not
18:47:40 compatible.
18:47:42 >>GWEN MILLER: Mr. Shelby?

18:47:43 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Council member Saul-Sena, is that
18:47:45 pursuant to your findings on policy B-3.3 of the
18:47:51 comprehensive plan?
18:47:53 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Yes, thank you.
18:47:54 >>GWEN MILLER: We have a motion and second.
18:47:55 All in favor of that motion say Aye.
18:47:57 (Motion carried)
18:48:00 We need to open item number 6.
18:48:02 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: So moved.
18:48:03 >> Second.
18:48:03 (Motion carried)
18:48:04 >>JILL FINNEY: Land Development Coordination.
18:48:14 I have been sworn.
18:48:15 I was just informed that the petitioner is going to
18:48:20 request a continuance on this.
18:48:21 >> Is petitioner here?
18:48:31 >>> Talbert.
18:48:33 I we would like to request a continuance to the
18:48:37 hearing on the 23rd.
18:48:39 >>GWEN MILLER: Is there anyone that came to speak on
18:48:41 number 26?
18:48:42 >>GWEN MILLER: August 23rd, is that available?

18:48:48 >>JILL FINNEY: Yes, we do have one spot.
18:48:50 >> Make a motion to August 23rd, 6:00.
18:48:53 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I'm sorry, I believe -- I apologize,
18:48:57 council.
18:48:59 They are all open.
18:49:02 >>GWEN MILLER: All in favor?
18:49:03 Opposed?
18:49:04 (Motion carried)
18:49:15 Item number 8.
18:49:17 Continued public hearing.
18:49:19 >>JILL FINNEY: Land Development Coordination.
18:49:55 I have been sworn.
18:49:56 We are here on Z-06-140, 4606 Fig Street, from RS-50
18:50:09 and RM-24 to PD.
18:50:11 For single family attached, and single family semi
18:50:14 detached.
18:50:15 The petitioner proposes to rezone the property to
18:50:17 establish eight single-family residential townhouse
18:50:20 style units.
18:50:24 It's 650 site located in an area that is a mix of
18:50:28 single and multifamily residential units.
18:50:31 The site is located approximately a block and a half

18:50:33 east of the Westshore mall. The proposed site will
18:50:37 contain two structures, one containing six units and
18:50:40 the other containing two units.
18:50:42 These units will have a maximum of three stories not
18:50:45 to exceed 35 feet in height.
18:50:47 The setbacks are as follows: From the north, 15 feet.
18:50:51 East, south 15 feet, west 7 feet.
18:50:55 A total of 18 parking spaces are required and 18
18:50:58 spaces are being provided for, through eight two-car
18:51:03 garages and two guest parking spaces.
18:51:05 According to the elevations that have been submitted,
18:51:07 a Mediterranean style architecture is being proposed.
18:51:23 According to the zoning map, the site is located in a
18:51:26 predominantly RM-24 zoning district, with just this
18:51:30 site having a bit of the RS-60, and all around is a
18:51:37 hodgepodge of PDs and approved PDs and offices all
18:51:43 around.
18:51:46 Here is an aerial of the site.
18:51:52 As you can see located to the west, which is the
18:51:55 Westshore mall, multifamily units, to the north and
18:52:01 around, townhouses.
18:52:07 Here is a picture of the proposed site.

18:52:12 This is just east of the site.
18:52:14 It is a single-family home.
18:52:21 You can see the Westshore mall.
18:52:27 And these are all the multifamily existing structures
18:52:31 that are in the immediate proximity of the site.
18:52:42 Multifamily
18:52:52 Planning Commission finds it consistent with the code
18:52:54 and has no objections.
18:52:58 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Mr. Riley, were you sworn in?
18:53:13 >>> David Riley, parks and recreation.
18:53:15 Yes, I have been sworn.
18:53:19 The tree in the back listed as a waiver for the
18:53:22 removal just barely made into the grand tree category.
18:53:27 However, there's been TECO wires on the south side of
18:53:30 that tree historically.
18:53:33 So it's been improperly pruned.
18:53:35 Plus the structure of the tree itself is in question.
18:53:40 I had both Kathy Beck and Steve Graham look at the
18:53:43 tree.
18:53:45 We were not quite comfortable in calling it a
18:53:49 hazardous tree at this time.
18:53:52 Looking at what we used to call a technical objection.

18:53:56 But we really don't have any problem.
18:53:58 That will be an insurance replacement.
18:54:00 And other than that, we have no objection to the site.
18:54:05 >>TONY GARCIA: Planning Commission staff.
18:54:10 I have been sworn.
18:54:17 Land use categories like we have seen in the Tampa
18:54:19 Heights project but a little bit of a different
18:54:22 character.
18:54:25 We are in the Westshore area where we have the Omni
18:54:28 100 and reef we have the land use categories, unlike
18:54:33 what we have seen over in the Tampa Heights area which
18:54:35 is predominantly single family attached detached.
18:54:38 What we do have that Mrs. Fin I alluded to is of this
18:54:42 particular project to allow the higher density.
18:54:47 You can see apartment complex to the north and there
18:54:49 are town homes developments, and it is in very close
18:54:58 proximity to major arterial road, which is Westshore
18:55:01 Boulevard.
18:55:03 >>GWEN MILLER: Petitioner?
18:55:13 >>> Jeff Shearer, Ruden McClosky.
18:55:20 I have been sworn.
18:55:21 I am here representing petitioner as you heard, from

18:55:23 staff, we are requesting a rezoning from RS-50 and
18:55:26 RM-24 to PD for eight town homes.
18:55:31 Ms. Saul-Sena, what you didn't hear is that we are
18:55:33 saving two grand trees that are on-site.
18:55:35 We were challenged with a rather difficult site as far
18:55:40 as trees.
18:55:41 We are saving two.
18:55:42 To save one of the canopies we are actually taking off
18:55:45 the third floor of one of our units.
18:55:47 So we have gone out of our way to try to save as many
18:55:51 trees as possible.
18:55:51 We also saved another large 32-inch oak so I think we
18:55:56 have done a pretty good job as far as the trees are
18:55:58 concerned.
18:55:59 As you heard also from staff, this area has really
18:56:03 transitioned into multifamily.
18:56:07 There is one single-family home directly west of the
18:56:09 property, but that gentleman is looking to sell to us
18:56:14 so there really is no single-family existing.
18:56:18 There's a large condominium across the street, behind,
18:56:21 basically on all sides so there really isn't any
18:56:25 single-family to speak of.

18:56:26 >>GWEN MILLER: Let's see if there's anybody in
18:56:28 opposition.
18:56:29 Does anyone in the public want to speak on item number
18:56:31 8?
18:56:32 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Move to close.
18:56:34 >> Second.
18:56:34 (Motion carried)
18:56:45 >> Move an ordinance rezoning property in the general
18:56:47 vicinity of 4606 west Fig Street in the city of Tampa,
18:56:51 Florida more particularly described in section 1 from
18:56:53 zoning district classifications RS-50 residential
18:56:57 single-family and RM-24 residential multifamily to PD
18:57:01 planned development residential single family
18:57:03 attached, single family semi detached, providing an
18:57:09 effective date.
18:57:09 >>GWEN MILLER: I have a motion and second.
18:57:10 (Motion carried)
18:57:16 >>THE CLERK: The second on that motion, please?
18:57:18 >>GWEN MILLER: Mrs. Saul-Sena.
18:57:21 Thank you.
18:57:53 >>JILL FINNEY: Land Development Coordination, I have
18:57:54 been sworn, going from CI commercial intensive to PD

18:57:59 planned development, with the use of open storage.
18:58:04 National chutes incorporated plans to bring its use of
18:58:08 open storage to compliance to the City of Tampa zoning
18:58:10 regulation. The site contains approximately 9,580
18:58:14 square feet.
18:58:15 The surrounding uses vary and are as follows.
18:58:18 To the north is Pete's towing and storage lot, to the
18:58:23 east trucking warehouse and loading dock, to the
18:58:26 south, a single-family detached home, and to the west
18:58:29 is an abandoned single-family detached home with one
18:58:33 lot to the west of that is also being used as open
18:58:39 storage.
18:58:44 Tanned site will not contain any buildings.
18:58:56 As you can see this area of Tampa is a big mix between
18:59:02 industrial, residential, commercial intensive, all in
18:59:06 close proximity to each other.
18:59:08 I do want to note that the single-family home is zoned
18:59:12 CI.
18:59:13 So what would require a special use, they should be
18:59:16 able to do that.
18:59:17 And there is an alley separating this site from the
18:59:20 residential home.

18:59:27 Here is the zoning map.
18:59:29 You can see the loading dock to the east.
18:59:30 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: How about the trees to the center?
18:59:43 >>> Of the site?
18:59:46 They will come up and adjust that after.
18:59:48 Here is a picture of the site.
18:59:55 Another picture.
19:00:04 Pete's towing to the north.
19:00:05 The trucking loading dock to the west.
19:00:09 Single-family to the south.
19:00:14 Single-family homes next to that.
19:00:15 This is a single-family home that appears abandoned,
19:00:19 had a notice on the window and everything.
19:00:21 And this is the open storage lot just to the west of
19:00:25 that.
19:00:33 Land development finds this petition to be consistent
19:00:35 with our regulation.
19:00:37 And that concludes my presentation.
19:00:53 >>> Mary Daniels Bryce, Land Development Coordination,
19:00:56 I have been sworn.
19:00:57 Basically, there are trees on the site, and what we
19:01:00 have done with this petitioner, because these are

19:01:03 chutes, they are light, they are open to the sky.
19:01:06 We had the petitioner protect every tree with a
19:01:13 ballard system surrounding the tree.
19:01:15 Also put notes on the site plan.
19:01:18 Nothing is to be stored within a radius -- protective
19:01:24 radius of any of those trees.
19:01:25 There are to be no vehicles coming onto the site and
19:01:28 that trucking of the product will be by hand only.
19:01:31 To protect those trees.
19:01:34 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: What is the product?
19:01:37 Chutes?
19:01:39 >>> They are air conditioning chutes.
19:01:43 Light aluminum.
19:01:44 >>TONY GARCIA: Planning Commission staff.
19:01:51 I have been sworn.
19:01:54 The three predominant land use categories for this
19:01:57 particular area are heavy commercial 24 to the east
19:02:00 and to the north trance using use, light industrial
19:02:09 which as you can see is on the southwest part of this
19:02:12 particular map.
19:02:16 She did a good job of giving you a context.
19:02:18 We know the area of this particular section of Tampa

19:02:21 is -- does contain a rather wide variety of uses and
19:02:27 is kind of a mixed bag.
19:02:28 You can see we do have commercial intensive uses
19:02:32 scattered about, with some small pockets of
19:02:34 residential uses.
19:02:35 And many of the residential uses are actually not
19:02:38 conforming because they are in the CI category.
19:02:40 There are in the area, to of course recognize that
19:02:46 these uses need to go ahead and function and interface
19:02:50 with each other since this is basically the nature of
19:02:52 this particular area.
19:02:53 We have requested that staff will come back from the
19:02:57 original Euclidean To PD which they have done and also
19:03:02 change to address the buffering and screening
19:03:05 requirements to make sure that there was a proper
19:03:07 transition and proper functionality of this use to
19:03:10 adjacent residential uses.
19:03:12 Planning Commission staff based on those concessions
19:03:14 by the applicant on the request finds it consistent
19:03:17 with the comprehensive plan.
19:03:18 >>GWEN MILLER: Petitioner?
19:03:28 >>> Michael Horner for the record, 14502 Dale Mabry

19:03:31 Highway and I have been sworn.
19:03:35 Council has decided after a two-week vacation to shift
19:03:38 gears to the non-residential land use category.
19:03:45 I do see Mr. Crumbly.
19:03:48 [ Laughter ]
19:03:49 Tonight may be a good night.
19:03:51 Council, we have been in this process for over a year.
19:03:53 We did file as Tony mentioned to a Euclidean for CI.
19:03:58 Actually, we filed for the IG.
19:04:00 We amended the PD.
19:04:01 >>GWEN MILLER: Make you feel good?
19:04:04 Let me see if there's anybody in opposition.
19:04:07 Anybody here want to speak on item 9?
19:04:09 >> Move to close.
19:04:12 >> You're all right.
19:04:14 >> Help me out here.
19:04:17 >> Music to your ears.
19:04:26 >> I worked out the presentation.
19:04:28 >> Not to mention your hair.
19:04:30 I move an ordinance rezoning property in the general
19:04:33 vicinity of 4209 tenth Avenue in the city of Tampa,
19:04:36 Florida and more particularly described in section 1

19:04:38 from zoning district classification CI commercial
19:04:41 intensive to PD planned development open storage, and
19:04:46 we appreciate you working with our staff carefully to
19:04:49 save the trees.
19:04:50 >>> Absolutely.
19:04:52 (Motion carried)
19:04:52 >>GWEN MILLER: Number 10 is continued.
19:05:11 >>JILL FINNEY: Land Development Coordination.
19:05:35 I have been sworn.
19:05:37 We are here on petition Z-07-35 located at 2715 West
19:05:41 Spruce Street.
19:05:44 This petition is going from RS-50 residential single
19:05:47 family to PD planned development single-family
19:05:50 detached residential.
19:05:51 The petitioner is proposing to rezone the property to
19:05:58 split the 7 square foot for two buildable lots, it has
19:06:04 80 feet of frontage along the northern portion of West
19:06:07 Spruce Street. The proposed lots are 40 feet by 95
19:06:10 feet, a total of 3800 square feet each.
19:06:14 The property, which is located in RS-50 zoning
19:06:17 district is surround by single-family residential
19:06:19 homes.

19:06:20 The PD setbacks are as follows: 18 feet in the front,
19:06:25 17 feet in the rear, 5 feet to the west, 5 yards and
19:06:29 57 feet to the east side yard.
19:06:31 The minimum building separation is 10 feet. The
19:06:34 proposed side setback is consistent with the placement
19:06:37 of the previous home.
19:06:41 The petition
19:06:43 No waivers are being requested.
19:07:11 The site is located in an RS-50.
19:07:19 Next we have the map showing the conforming and
19:07:25 nonconforming lots.
19:07:26 Of the lots that were considered, nine of the lots
19:07:28 were found to be conforming which is 24 percent and 28
19:07:34 of the lots were found to be nonconforming which was
19:07:38 about 76%.
19:07:41 And here is the site.
19:07:45 And next to the is nonconforming.
19:08:01 There is the site.
19:08:01 There's the neighborhood.
19:08:04 Here are other homes down the street in the
19:08:09 neighborhood.
19:08:11 And this is the view to the east.

19:08:16 Land development found the petition to be inconsistent
19:08:31 based on some issues with tree and landscaping, and it
19:08:36 can be resolved with notes being added to the plan
19:08:38 which would then find it consistent.
19:08:53 >>> Mary Daniels Bryce, Land Development Coordination,
19:08:56 I have been sworn.
19:08:56 Basically the lot will be used for storage while the
19:08:59 street work is going on in the neighborhood, and we
19:09:02 had asked the petitioner to aerate around the tree.
19:09:13 It is a 32-inch tree, Laurel oak, it is not -- it's
19:09:17 just on the verge of being a grand tree, and we would
19:09:20 like them to relocate the driveway one foot and place
19:09:30 impervious pavement in that area.
19:09:32 With those changes the plan will be consistent.
19:09:34 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I just have a quick question.
19:09:37 You said when roadwork was being done, there was
19:09:40 equipment that was parked under this tree.
19:09:43 Could you show us that?
19:09:46 I recently complained about this going on.
19:09:55 Those people are hired by us and they are breaking our
19:09:59 rules about having protection around a grand tree.
19:10:02 This is a question for legal.

19:10:05 Legal?
19:10:07 Legal.
19:10:09 Julia, this roadwork is being done for the city.
19:10:18 They are placing their equipment illegally under a
19:10:21 grand tree.
19:10:22 They don't have barriers.
19:10:23 It's completely wrong that they are doing this.
19:10:27 How do we get the city to make sure that our
19:10:30 contractors play by our rules?
19:10:39 You can wait till the end of the zoning to think about
19:10:41 it.
19:10:41 >>> Okay.
19:10:42 Why don't you let me think about it?
19:10:43 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I just want to share this with you,
19:10:47 council.
19:10:48 I complained about a recent situation from another
19:10:50 site.
19:10:50 It's bad enough when the public is ignorant and does
19:10:53 it but these are people that we hired.
19:10:54 I think we should dock them.
19:11:00 >>TONY GARCIA: Planning Commission staff.
19:11:09 I have been sworn.

19:11:21 It's located in the old West Tampa area.
19:11:27 Predominantly category RS 20.
19:12:07 Pointed out the nature where you do have a lot of
19:12:10 nonconforming lots, land use category, what you see
19:12:16 here, in-fill project.
19:12:23 Planning Commission staff finds the proposal ...
19:12:32 >>GWEN MILLER: Petitioner?
19:12:33 >>> My name is David Clisetta. I have been sworn.
19:12:39 I'm the president of Design Development, Florida
19:12:39 registered consulting engineering firm, representing
19:12:41 the owner of the property. We're located at 23315
19:12:46 Shannon Story Drive in Land O' Lakes, Florida.
19:12:49 We have made this request.
19:12:50 Even though the future land use actually calls for
19:12:53 R-20 which is multifamily which there is some tendency
19:12:56 towards townhouses being developed in this area and
19:12:58 there is a history of duplexes in the area, there are
19:13:00 a large number of smaller lots, and there was a home
19:13:03 on this lot before that was actually two-story
19:13:08 multifamily boarding house in the old bungalow style,
19:13:13 two-story, double front porch, and what we are trying
19:13:16 to do here is actually be more consistent with the

19:13:19 neighborhood and provide single-family homes.
19:13:21 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Are you putting two new
19:13:24 single-family homes?
19:13:26 >>> Yes.
19:13:26 >> So there's nothing on either lot?
19:13:29 >>> Correct.
19:13:30 >>GWEN MILLER: Is there anyone --
19:13:32 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Just one other question.
19:13:34 And do you have adjacent neighbors?
19:13:37 >>> Yes.
19:13:38 In fact one of the reasons there was such a delay in
19:13:40 going forward with this project is this is the West
19:13:43 Tampa overlay district and we had to get setbacks so
19:13:48 we had to amend our PD to match the 12-foot 8-inch
19:13:51 front porch setback that took awhile for the city to
19:13:54 give us that dimension.
19:13:55 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Just out of curiosity, how big a
19:13:58 front porch?
19:14:01 >>> 6 by 20.
19:14:01 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Great.
19:14:03 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Great.
19:14:04 >>GWEN MILLER: Is there anyone in the audience that

19:14:06 wants to speak on number 10?
19:14:07 >> Move to close.
19:14:08 >> Second.
19:14:08 (Motion carried).
19:14:09 >>GWEN MILLER: Mary?
19:14:21 >>> Needs to be added.
19:14:23 >> The petitioner needs to state that he will --
19:14:27 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Move to reopen.
19:14:29 >> Second.
19:14:29 (Motion carried).
19:14:33 >>> Approval with the plan that the protective radius
19:14:36 to the tree will be provided, and impervious surface
19:14:39 will be in the first five feet after the protective
19:14:44 radius has been maintained, and that arborist will be
19:14:49 on-site to supervise and make an assessment of the
19:14:53 tree, and if there are corrective measures to make the
19:14:57 tree, the impervious area around the tree, to do
19:15:02 whatever they need to do to save that tree.
19:15:05 >>GWEN MILLER: Mrs. Saul-Sena?
19:15:07 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I think that's excellent.
19:15:09 My question to legal is, how do we ensure that that
19:15:12 actually happened?

19:15:16 >>JULIA COLE: Legal department.
19:15:18 It gets added as a note and monitored during the
19:15:20 construction project as a condition of the site plan,
19:15:22 if they violate, it will be a violation.
19:15:26 >>GWEN MILLER: Petitioner, can you come back up to
19:15:28 make a statement?
19:15:31 >>> I believe our plan indicates impervious paving in
19:15:34 this area.
19:15:35 And we'll be happy to modify the notes appropriate to
19:15:39 protect the tree.
19:15:40 >>GWEN MILLER: Need to close again.
19:15:41 >> Move to close.
19:15:42 >> Second.
19:15:42 (Motion carried).
19:15:43 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I move this rezoning with the
19:15:53 conditions added by staff just now.
19:15:55 An ordinance rezoning property in the general vicinity
19:15:57 of 2715 West Spruce Street in the city of Tampa,
19:16:00 Florida more particularly described in section 1 from
19:16:02 zoning district classifications RS-50 residential
19:16:05 singe single family, single family detached, providing
19:16:08 an effective date.

19:16:09 >>GWEN MILLER: I have a motion and second.
19:16:10 (Motion carried).
19:16:11 >>GWEN MILLER: Mr. Dingfelder?
19:16:15 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: If council will indulge me for
19:16:18 about two minutes.
19:16:23 There's an issue that I think everybody has heard
19:16:25 about, about the preschools being closed down and
19:16:30 about four or five rec centers.
19:16:32 Have you all heard about that?
19:16:34 >> No.
19:16:35 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: It's unfortunate.
19:16:36 It's a result of budget cuts.
19:16:38 There's about four or five rec centers around the city
19:16:40 where three to five-year-olds have been going, in many
19:16:44 cases for like in Hyde Park, Kate Jackson it has been
19:16:48 going on for 20 years, I hear.
19:16:50 The problem is, it's always been a subsidized program.
19:16:54 The city -- people pay when they bring their children
19:16:59 but they don't pay the full ride.
19:17:01 So it's under the ax of the budget cuts.
19:17:07 And the reason I'm bringing it now, it's a little bit
19:17:10 out of order because we are not doing budget. The

19:17:11 reason I'm bringing it now is the program is supposed
19:17:14 to start in September.
19:17:15 Every September it starts.
19:17:16 Well, as of right now, all four of these programs are
19:17:20 about to be cut.
19:17:23 >> School starts August 20th.
19:17:26 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I think this program might be
19:17:28 September, but, anyway, because it's preschool.
19:17:31 But, anyway, I spoke to the mayor, and she said, well,
19:17:35 it's going to be cut, and I said, well, what if the
19:17:38 families want to pay more to keep, you know, to go
19:17:41 ahead and use it if they pay, you know, the full
19:17:45 amount, whatever it is, then maybe we could save it?
19:17:49 She said I'm fine with that but council would have to
19:17:51 change that fee by resolution.
19:17:55 I have not had a chance to fully talk with her about
19:18:00 this but I want to throw this motion out and see where
19:18:03 it goes.
19:18:03 On August 23rd I want to direct parks and legal to
19:18:06 bring a resolution back to us that would raise the
19:18:10 fees in order to save these preschool programs in our
19:18:16 recollection centers, whatever location they might be.

19:18:20 I think there are four or five of them.
19:18:22 Karen Palus knows where they are.
19:18:24 And Karen will be able to fill in that blank as to
19:18:29 what the fee rate needs to be to save the programs.
19:18:33 If the parents don't want to do it or whatever, that's
19:18:36 fine, but at least we have made an attempt to save the
19:18:38 program.
19:18:38 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I don't think there's any -- if she
19:18:44 could let the media know.
19:18:46 What we need to do is let the parents know.
19:18:51 I mean, they need to know like tomorrow, so that they
19:18:55 can see if they can make plans.
19:18:58 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: So that's the motion, that legal
19:19:00 and parks bring it back to us on the 23rd, raising
19:19:02 that fee and hopefully we can save the program by
19:19:05 doing that.
19:19:07 Made the motion.
19:19:08 >> Second.
19:19:08 >>GWEN MILLER: We have a motion and second.
19:19:10 (Motion carried)
19:19:12 Anything else to come before council?
19:19:14 Mr. Shelby?

19:19:15 Mr. Miranda?
19:19:16 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I ask that we adjourn.
19:19:18 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I have nothing, thank you.
19:19:25 >> Move to receive and file.
19:19:26 >> Second.
19:19:26 (Motion carried).
19:19:27 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I received a letter from the people
19:19:33 at the watercrafters are violating the Manatee safety
19:19:36 and so I would like to give this to the staff to send
19:19:42 to the administration and get a written report back on
19:19:44 the 23rd as to whether we can't do a better job of
19:19:48 enforcing safety in this area.
19:19:54 I am going to give it to the administration.
19:19:55 I think it's water people.
19:19:59 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Second.
19:20:00 (Motion carried)
19:20:01 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Can I ask do move to adjourn?
19:20:07 I asked for move to adjourn.
19:20:08 >>GWEN MILLER: We are adjourned.
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