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Tampa City Council
Wednesday, September 19, 2007
5:01 p.m. session

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17:05:00 >>GWEN MILLER: Call the meeting to order.
17:07:08 Roll call.
17:07:09 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Here.
17:07:10 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Here.
17:07:11 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Here.
17:07:12 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Here.
17:07:13 >>MARY MULHERN: Here.
17:07:14 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: Here.
17:07:15 >>GWEN MILLER: Here.

17:07:16 We need to open the public hearing.
17:07:17 >> So moved.
17:07:18 >> Second.
17:07:25 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: This is the second public hearing
17:07:26 for the City of Tampa physician cam year 2008 budget.
17:07:29 Proposed millage rate is 5.73726 mills, which is 5%
17:07:35 less than the rollback millage rate of 6.0343 mills.
17:07:40 Property tax funds are used to support the general
17:07:42 fund operating budget of the city.
17:07:45 This fund includes such departments as fire-rescue and
17:07:48 police, human resources, parks, and recreation, and
17:07:51 public works.
17:07:53 >>GWEN MILLER: Ms. Bonnie Wise, would you come up,
17:07:56 please?
17:07:57 >>BONNIE WISE: Director of revenue and finance.
17:08:01 We are here tonight for the second public hearing for
17:08:03 the fiscal year '08 budget.
17:08:05 Previously, I had given a PowerPoint presentation on
17:08:08 August 9th that encompassed the entire budget.
17:08:13 We also had a budget workshop on August 21st, and
17:08:17 we had the first public hearing where I gave a
17:08:19 condensed version of the PowerPoint presentation on

17:08:23 September 4th.
17:08:23 This evening I'm just going to give a few remarks.
17:08:26 I do not have another PowerPoint presentation for you.
17:08:28 But we'll be happy to answer any questions you may
17:08:30 have.
17:08:33 As I mentioned we had those various public meetings.
17:08:35 I also want to thank you all for your input throughout
17:08:38 the year, and especially during the summer where we
17:08:41 had these special sessions on property tax where we
17:08:45 had a few extra meetings.
17:08:46 Governments throughout Florida were challenged by the
17:08:48 condensed time frame by having that special session,
17:08:53 but I want to thank all the department heads, all the
17:08:55 administrators, you, and all the staff for helping us
17:08:59 get through this budget process in a timely manner.
17:09:03 The theme of this year's budget is providing quality
17:09:06 services. This goes from everything from public
17:09:08 safety to parks and recreation, to our investing in
17:09:11 neighborhoods program, to clean cities.
17:09:14 The budget this year is $761 million.
17:09:18 It is a 5% increase from last year.
17:09:20 However, most of that increase is coming from the bond

17:09:23 and loan fund of $65 million. This is 132% increase
17:09:28 from the prior year.
17:09:29 This is mainly appropriating funds from
17:09:31 previously-issued bonds, our CIT bond issue for parks
17:09:36 and recreation, parks and recreation facilities
17:09:39 predominantly as well as wastewater financing of $36
17:09:42 million that was previously issued.
17:09:45 Our tax operating fund of 415 million, this is a
17:09:49 decline from the prior year.
17:09:50 This is where the ad valorem tax reduction was seen.
17:09:55 Our enterprise funds of 250 million pretty much the
17:09:59 same as last year.
17:10:00 Internal service funds of $31 million.
17:10:03 As was previously mentioned, our millage rate is
17:10:06 5.7326 mills.
17:10:09 This is a 10.5% reduction from our prior millage rate
17:10:13 of 6.408 mills.
17:10:16 For a home in the City of Tampa of 185, 000 dollars,
17:10:20 the total millage rate is 21.47 mills, $3,435.
17:10:27 Of that, of the entire tax, the City of Tampa tax
17:10:35 owner would pay is 37% of their tax bill.
17:10:38 Madam Chairman, should I talk briefly about the CIP as

17:10:41 well?
17:10:42 >>GWEN MILLER: Yes.
17:10:43 >>> Our CIT budget totals 118.7 million.
17:10:47 This is from 77.2 million from the prior year.
17:10:50 As I mentioned predominantly due to the bond funds
17:10:53 that I talked about earlier.
17:10:55 Our investing in neighborhoods program continues to
17:10:57 increase.
17:10:58 This year at $6.4 million.
17:11:01 This program has increased 149% since the fiscal year
17:11:07 03 and we have major projects throughout the city,
17:11:09 continuing at 40th Street project, various stormwater
17:11:12 projects throughout the city, the Tampa Museum of Art,
17:11:15 and many, many projects in our infrastructure
17:11:18 department, water and wastewater.
17:11:20 We have before you four items on your agenda and I
17:11:26 respectfully request adoption of those items and the
17:11:29 fiscal year '08 budget.
17:11:31 >>GWEN MILLER: Thank you.
17:11:32 Any questions from council members?
17:11:37 Is there anyone in the public that would like to
17:11:39 speak?

17:11:41 >>> Spencer Cass, 1001 north Howard Avenue, Tampa,
17:11:47 Florida.
17:11:50 There are five quick issues I just wanted to bring to
17:11:53 council's attention in the budget, things that seem a
17:11:55 little unusual or I had some questions on.
17:11:59 First, I was asked to come down here by my brother and
17:12:03 thank council for the new $300,000 subsidy the Tampa
17:12:08 Chamber of Commerce, over there, sitting down at the
17:12:11 football stadium this past weekend, having a hard
17:12:16 drink while up in the club seats, and he was curious
17:12:20 if this was a permanent subsidy that you guys passed
17:12:24 or just one thing, you know, $300,000 new dollars in
17:12:28 addition to the fees you pay.
17:12:33 He had been thinking about buying a new boat and if
17:12:37 it's going to be a permanent subsidy.
17:12:39 So I would be happy to know that.
17:12:42 Just kind of curious about that.
17:12:43 Next is the new parks and rec building over on
17:12:47 Columbus.
17:12:48 As you know it was the end of '06 when you guys bought
17:12:52 that building.
17:12:52 It was my understanding that was going to be a LEED

17:12:54 certified building and it was going to showcase the
17:12:57 newest and greatest in green technologies to show
17:13:00 citizens how they can retrofit their building.
17:13:02 I didn't see anything in the budget about LEED
17:13:05 certification or that it was going to still be a
17:13:07 showcase for the new green technology, finance that
17:13:10 was something that council just dropped entirely or
17:13:12 you weren't interested in that in the city anymore.
17:13:15 >> Which building?
17:13:16 >> The new parks and rec building on Columbus Avenue.
17:13:23 Next, a neighbor asked this question.
17:13:26 I said I would bring it down because I didn't know the
17:13:28 answer.
17:13:28 You passed a pass-through clause to make up for the
17:13:32 lost revenue from Tampa Bay water.
17:13:33 On that past-through cost apparently the stip decided
17:13:37 to charge sales tax on that, and it seemed unusual on
17:13:40 a pass-through cost that tax is being charged, feeding
17:13:44 into the general fund.
17:13:45 They had asked me why.
17:13:46 I didn't know if it was something that just snuck past
17:13:49 council and it was just a mistake that was made or

17:13:51 someone was actually trying to pad the general fund
17:13:54 with a pass-through cost.
17:13:57 Finally, I just want to take a second to talk about it
17:14:02 concerned me that so many of the programs are being
17:14:03 cut, and scaled back, and I sat down and I thought, is
17:14:07 there any way to possibly help you solve this problem?
17:14:11 And I'm going to bring up something I brought up when
17:14:14 I discussed the budget in the past which is the
17:14:15 downtown courthouse.
17:14:17 As you know, the city has had that since '03.
17:14:21 Hadn't done anything with it.
17:14:22 There's been talk but really it's not moving anywhere,
17:14:24 cost the city a quarter million dollars a year to
17:14:26 maintain that building in a shutdown condition, not
17:14:29 leading to any economic growth and just sitting there.
17:14:32 I'll renew my offer as I have done in the past to go
17:14:36 into the back and write a check to the city for a
17:14:38 quarter million dollars to take the building off your
17:14:40 hands.
17:14:40 I'll take care of the historic renovations, do it all
17:14:43 up to code, I'll work with historic preservation
17:14:46 department, and we'll get actual people in that

17:14:48 building, we'll use it as an economic generator, and
17:14:51 then you can take the quarter million dollar check I
17:14:54 write tonight plus the quarter million you save in
17:14:56 expenses and reinstate all the programs for the
17:14:59 children.
17:14:59 To me there's nothing more important than the children
17:15:01 of the City of Tampa.
17:15:03 And if we can't reinstate those programs especially on
17:15:07 something that doesn't seem to be doing much to help
17:15:09 out, it troubles me.
17:15:12 Thank you.
17:15:12 (Bell sounds).
17:15:13 >>GWEN MILLER: Thank you.
17:15:14 Would anyone else like to speak?
17:15:16 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: Can I ask, Mr. Daignault, on the
17:15:19 question of sales tax on the pass-through.
17:15:26 >>GWEN MILLER: Bonnie Wise.
17:15:27 >>BONNIE WISE: We don't charge sales tax.
17:15:30 We charge our utility tax which is on the entire bill,
17:15:32 and it is included as part of the bill charges.
17:15:37 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: So on that pass-through there is
17:15:38 a tax?

17:15:41 >>> Utility tax.
17:15:44 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I thought that the issue that Mr.
17:15:50 Cass raised about the courthouse is valid, and I don't
17:15:53 know that it's a quarter of a million.
17:15:55 It's well over $100,000 we spend a year on the
17:15:58 courthouse.
17:15:59 We just saw an article in the paper the other day that
17:16:02 the school system isn't going to be adding any
17:16:06 schools.
17:16:06 Based on that, I think we need to set as a goal this
17:16:10 year to save that money for future and get a use in
17:16:12 there.
17:16:13 And not as part of this budget hearing but on Thursday
17:16:16 I am going to ask for Mark Huey to do a request for
17:16:20 proposal again.
17:16:21 I think we need to move it.
17:16:26 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Bonnie, the $300,000 the chamber, I
17:16:33 don't think that's new.
17:16:33 Did we keep it the same?
17:16:35 >>> It's not new and it was reduced 10% from last
17:16:38 year.
17:16:38 >> And that is an annual expense, but we vote on it

17:16:41 every year as part of our annual budget so it's not
17:16:44 perpetual, but it's something that's reupped pretty
17:16:48 much every year.
17:16:49 >>> Each year you would have to take action.
17:16:51 >> And the last question either to Karen Palus for the
17:16:55 facilities about the new parks and rec building,
17:16:58 Karen.
17:16:59 Do you want to give us a little update on how green it
17:17:02 is?
17:17:12 >>> Talking about the existing facilities that the
17:17:14 city bought?
17:17:15 On Columbus?
17:17:17 I'm sorry, but I am not aware of any discussion about
17:17:20 it being a green or LEED certified facility.
17:17:24 It is an old facility.
17:17:26 We are spending considerable amount of money to get
17:17:31 the roof and the air conditioning and the inside
17:17:35 adequate for to us move into.
17:17:37 Again, I'm just not aware of budgeting, funding and
17:17:41 planning for it to be a LEED certified facility.
17:17:46 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Looks like you might have
17:17:48 reinforcement.

17:17:48 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: Can I ask Mr. Daignault a
17:17:51 question?
17:17:54 Mr. Daignault, is that a flat roof?
17:17:56 >> Yes, it is.
17:17:57 >>> I seeing you call McAnany roofing.
17:18:04 There's a new product, better than solar type.
17:18:06 I haven't gotten information but call them.
17:18:08 They will enlighten you on this new product that they
17:18:10 say will pay itself in less than eight years.
17:18:18 >>> Dave von, director of contract administration.
17:18:22 One is that the plans for the renovation of this
17:18:26 building are approaching completion.
17:18:27 There's some permitting that's going on already.
17:18:30 The roof has been bid.
17:18:31 It is a cool roof material.
17:18:36 Not only similar to what we put at the convention
17:18:38 center but is actually a technology that's a little
17:18:41 past that even.
17:18:43 As you are aware from the discussions on the
17:18:45 convention center, the notion of doing a green roof at
17:18:48 that building, structural loads and existing
17:18:50 conditions would preclude that.

17:18:52 We also are in the process of working -- working on a
17:18:56 mechanical design which will replace a number of old
17:18:58 and inefficient units with new higher efficiency.
17:19:01 It's not going to be a LEED certified building.
17:19:03 It's my understanding at this point that even the LEED
17:19:06 criteria for renovations is still under development
17:19:09 and is not offered as a certification.
17:19:12 >>GWEN MILLER: Reverend Scott?
17:19:14 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you.
17:19:16 I have a question for Ms. Wise, and you may have told
17:19:21 me this before.
17:19:23 I can't remember.
17:19:26 But the CIT, when is the next round of CIT allocation?
17:19:30 >>BONNIE WISE: That would be 2012.
17:19:35 We are in 2007 through 11 right now.
17:19:39 >> So 2012?
17:19:41 >>> Right.
17:19:41 It would be in the next five-year cycle.
17:19:43 We are in the third five-year cycle.
17:19:45 >> At any point do you foresee any additional above
17:19:52 what the projection has been, and how has that been
17:19:54 dealt with in the past and future?

17:19:57 I'm not sure how is that.
17:20:01 >>> Each year as part of the budget we do budget the
17:20:03 CIT revenue for each year, but as you mentioned each
17:20:07 five-year period we do have the public hearing to
17:20:09 discuss how we are going to do the next five years.
17:20:14 It has to S extra money, tanned sales tax in general
17:20:18 is declining statewide.
17:20:20 So that's not very positive at this time.
17:20:27 We are required to use them for the purposes for which
17:20:30 we had the public hearing.
17:20:31 But, for example, the CIT money each year, we would
17:20:36 still go back to the items that were approved for that
17:20:39 five-year program.
17:20:40 And it would come back to you if we have extra money.
17:20:44 >> Just so I can understand this.
17:20:46 So then pretty much excess of tax revenue coming in
17:20:52 for the CIT, there's a list to approve, so those funds
17:20:57 then will go toward that?
17:21:00 >>> Right.
17:21:00 If we had said, for example, and we have in this five
17:21:03 year program, that a lot of our money is going to be
17:21:05 used for fire station improvements, that would be an

17:21:08 eligible item if we had extra money.
17:21:12 We also said some of those moneys could be used for
17:21:15 vehicles, certain vehicles.
17:21:17 We could use it for that, too.
17:21:19 We also have said it's going to be for certain parks
17:21:21 and recreation buildings.
17:21:23 And we bonded it.
17:21:24 So we can use it for that as well.
17:21:27 So as long as it's included in the items that we have
17:21:29 already approved, then we could use it for those.
17:21:34 >>GWEN MILLER: Any questions?
17:21:39 Mr. Miranda?
17:21:39 Mr. Dingfelder?
17:21:40 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Thank you. This isn't my question.
17:21:42 One of our most loyal and hard-working neighborhood
17:21:45 presidents, Al Steenson from Gandy, sent this out,
17:21:49 said he couldn't be here tonight but he did want to us
17:21:52 relay a question.
17:21:53 On page 165 and 166 of the budget report, he notes
17:21:56 that there's a local option gas tax fund, and it
17:22:03 references $700,000 for -- for $850,000 total for
17:22:08 pedestrian oriented type improvements downtown.

17:22:11 And he's wondering why -- he says the taxes for local
17:22:15 option gas tax fund are generated and paid for by the
17:22:19 motoring public, so his question is why are these
17:22:21 funds not being directed towards transportation
17:22:25 infrastructure as compared to pedestrian oriented
17:22:28 projects?
17:22:29 He says page 165 and 166.
17:22:42 He's pointing out a $700,000 item, downtown,
17:22:46 pedestrian oriented item, and $150,000 related item.
17:22:51 >>BONNIE WISE: I'm sorry, we are going to have to get
17:22:53 back to you because those particular page numbers
17:22:56 relate to stormwater projects.
17:22:57 >> Maybe he's transposed those.
17:23:04 Did you find it?
17:23:09 Different book, okay.
17:23:11 $700,000 item?
17:23:34 So he's just wondering why pedestrian oriented item is
17:23:38 being paid for, being paid for with local option gas
17:23:46 tax funds that are generated by the motoring public.
17:23:49 His question.
17:23:50 He's a taxpayer and neighborhood leader.
17:23:52 >>> That's fine.

17:23:53 I'm sorry.
17:23:53 There's three different budget which is why we are
17:23:56 having some confusion finding the right page.
17:23:59 There is local option gas tax is very much restricted
17:24:01 and it's used in pedestrian improvements.
17:24:05 They are here.
17:24:06 And all these items are eligible improvements under
17:24:09 the local option gas tax requirement.
17:24:12 >> So that's regulated, what, by state law?
17:24:16 And the state is okay with that?
17:24:18 >>> Yes, sir.
17:24:18 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Thank you.
17:24:23 The bridges, pedestrian crossing, another 300,000.
17:24:35 On the next page there's several others.
17:24:37 So he did name a few, but there are several actually.
17:24:43 >>GWEN MILLER: Ms. Mulhern?
17:24:44 >>MARY MULHERN: I was just going back to Mr. Cass'
17:24:48 question about the LEED certified building, and just
17:24:52 wanted to let you know that councilman Dingfelder is
17:24:55 working on a green building ordinance for us, but
17:25:01 we're not there yet, for making any kind of
17:25:04 requirements, right?

17:25:06 >>GWEN MILLER: We need to close the public hearing.
17:25:08 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Before you close, I want to say,
17:25:12 sometimes I do things, and I question myself all the
17:25:14 time because it's very difficult to do what I'm going
17:25:19 to talk about, because I can't speak with my council
17:25:23 colleagues an discuss things, I can't speak with
17:25:25 another person and discuss things, so I have to
17:25:27 discuss it in the open, which is fine with me.
17:25:29 That's no problem.
17:25:32 I did my own little disparity study, not that I'm
17:25:35 qualified to do a disparity study, but I want to bring
17:25:38 to a point, and it's one of our own members of the
17:25:42 council budget, not in the administration.
17:25:44 I haven't looked that far yet to be honest with you.
17:25:47 But in our own area, we seemingly give merit raises
17:25:53 and we give another increase in October.
17:25:58 And I don't know if my numbers are correct, but when
17:26:02 you go from 86 to 89 to 91 to 94, and when full-time
17:26:10 individuals doing the same work are making 76,000 or
17:26:14 80,000 or 90,000, I'm somewhat confused, I might say.
17:26:23 But then again, that could be an inherent thing.
17:26:26 So what I'm saying is that I'd like the chair to name

17:26:31 a committee, two other council members, not I, I
17:26:38 certainly don't want people to say he's not biased.
17:26:40 I'm not biased.
17:26:42 I like that individual.
17:26:43 But I'm talking about a position.
17:26:45 And those are the things that are very difficult for
17:26:47 me to understand so that I don't embarrass myself in
17:26:50 the way and the mannerism in which I bring it up.
17:26:53 So if I may ask the chair to sometime in the next week
17:26:57 or so, because I want to clarify the full-time
17:27:01 employees versus a part-time employee, and what the
17:27:05 benefits are, is there a red line in the full time and
17:27:09 not a red line in the part time?
17:27:10 I can only tell you from my own experience -- and I
17:27:13 know I am going around in circles and I mean that the
17:27:15 way because I don't want to embarrass myself or any
17:27:17 other person -- I work for the State of Florida.
17:27:19 I judge horse racing.
17:27:21 It pays very well.
17:27:23 However, I'm part time.
17:27:26 I get no benefits.
17:27:27 I don't get insurance.

17:27:28 I don't get vacation.
17:27:29 I don't get sick leave.
17:27:30 If I miss a day I'm docked.
17:27:33 Whether it's right or wrong I don't know but that's
17:27:35 the way I accept it.
17:27:37 I haven't got a raise in ten years.
17:27:40 Then again I don't need a raise in ten years.
17:27:43 So what I'm saying, I have been very fortunate, very
17:27:45 lucky.
17:27:46 I didn't set the system up.
17:27:47 I accepted the system of which I fell into.
17:27:50 And at the same time I can say that the state of
17:27:52 Michigan paid me much more than my own State of
17:27:54 Florida paid me for the two summers that I worked.
17:27:57 And that's why I am asking the chair to do this and
17:28:01 get together and see if we can come to some agreement
17:28:06 to have these positions somewhat codified at a certain
17:28:12 level in the future.
17:28:13 Because I don't want to go and see a 6%, 9%.
17:28:18 If you look at 365 plus one day, it's more than 6%.
17:28:22 And I'm not hassling anything.
17:28:26 Like I said, it's very difficult for me to bring this

17:28:28 up.
17:28:29 It's very difficult for me to express it.
17:28:31 I'm not here to burn anybody.
17:28:33 But at the same time I want the taxpayers to
17:28:35 understand that we are doing the best that we can,
17:28:37 with what we have to do with.
17:28:39 We just laid off 120-some full-time employees, and it
17:28:42 went to 200 something when we laid off the temporary
17:28:45 ones.
17:28:46 And I certainly don't want someone to bring these
17:28:49 things up in the future and say that we're not taking
17:28:52 care and we are not looking out for the employees.
17:28:54 I look at it this way.
17:28:55 The mayor is the CFO of the corporation.
17:28:58 We are the board members.
17:28:59 And the taxpayers are shareholders of that
17:29:02 corporation.
17:29:02 And I just want to make sure that everybody gets a
17:29:05 fair shake when and how these things happen and how
17:29:08 they shake out.
17:29:10 I certainly don't know what's going to happen January
17:29:12 26th or 29th, whatever day it is.

17:29:14 I don't particularly look forward to the day.
17:29:17 But every day of my life, if I'm alive I'll get there.
17:29:22 And I look at these things.
17:29:25 It's up to the public to decide what they are going to
17:29:27 do and how they want their money spent.
17:29:29 And if they want to cut back, I'm not going to get
17:29:32 involved in tell the public pass it, don't pass it,
17:29:35 this is good for you.
17:29:36 That's up for them to decide.
17:29:37 They were smart enough to elect us into office.
17:29:40 They are smart enough to decide on their own.
17:29:42 But here's where I am at and that's what I would like
17:29:46 to ask of you, Madam Chair, don't have to be day.
17:29:49 Whenever you have time to set up a committee.
17:29:51 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I think that they were elected by
17:29:59 the voters and the way that we organize our assistance
17:30:04 and the way we organize our offices and the things we
17:30:07 choose to spend the little amount of money we have in
17:30:12 our office budget is really between us and our
17:30:15 constituents and the public.
17:30:16 And when I was chair, the administration asked me to
17:30:21 check out what everybody -- how everyone spent their

17:30:24 money and I said I really didn't think that was
17:30:26 appropriate because I think each of us are responsible
17:30:29 to our constituents, and responsible, professional
17:30:35 adults, and responsible office holders.
17:30:40 And so I really think that that should suffice each of
17:30:44 us being responsible to our public.
17:30:50 >>GWEN MILLER: Other comments?
17:30:51 Mr. Dingfelder?
17:30:53 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I guess I'm not really sure
17:30:58 specifically where you are headed on that, Charlie,
17:31:00 but I'm sure you will flush it out as we government
17:31:03 but I just wanted to let you know, because you weren't
17:31:05 here two years ago when Darrell Smith is here in the
17:31:09 audience, chief of staff, had a lengthy exercise with
17:31:13 our aides and our salaries, and their salaries, and
17:31:17 because at the time, I think some of the aides were
17:31:20 looking to get increases to their salaries.
17:31:24 And Mr. Smith, in conjunction with some other work
17:31:27 that he was having the consultant do, did some lengthy
17:31:32 work on that issue and came back and said, it's his
17:31:36 conclusion that their salaries were in line with other
17:31:39 comparable positions around the state, and that kind

17:31:43 of thing.
17:31:46 So, anyway, if it's about our assistants, our aides,
17:31:50 we need to get that information from Mr. Smith.
17:31:52 If it's about something else, in terms of our own
17:31:55 travel budgets and that sort of thing, then that's
17:31:58 fine.
17:32:00 >>GWEN MILLER: Reverend Scott?
17:32:01 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Well, I really didn't have my hand up
17:32:04 but -- [ Laughter ]
17:32:06 Well, I'm still getting accustomed to the system that
17:32:15 is used here.
17:32:16 One of the things I discovered even when I came is
17:32:18 that my aide is not my aide.
17:32:21 Okay.
17:32:21 I mean, that's way was told pretty much that the
17:32:23 salary and having is set by the city administration.
17:32:26 Okay.
17:32:30 Also, I found other people tell me what to do.
17:32:35 So I'm just learning a whole lot of stuff around here
17:32:38 what's going on.
17:32:41 If that is the issue.
17:32:46 So I hear what everybody is saying.

17:32:51 I'm open for any discussion that we want to have on
17:32:53 this.
17:32:53 And I've said what I need to say.
17:32:59 >>GWEN MILLER: Ms. Mulhern?
17:33:01 >>MARY MULHERN: I didn't have my hand up either.
17:33:07 I think -- I hired my aide as a new council person,
17:33:11 and a new aide coming into city employment, and the
17:33:15 human resources department helped me do that, and were
17:33:19 very fair about determining what would be an
17:33:24 appropriate salary to offer this particular person
17:33:26 with her qualifications.
17:33:29 I had a very good experience with our human resources
17:33:32 department.
17:33:32 And I think they are the one that is should be talking
17:33:34 about this, not for us to -- I certainly am not going
17:33:39 to volunteer to be on a committee to look at our
17:33:42 employees' salaries.
17:33:45 I just think that's an H.R. decision, and I would
17:33:52 support you in asking them to look at that.
17:33:57 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
17:33:57 As you see, I used to throw a lot of curve balls.
17:34:01 It is not about the aides.

17:34:04 I tried to get that across.
17:34:09 I explained to her and we can get on with that later
17:34:12 on.
17:34:12 But I just want to solve that problem.
17:34:14 It's been in my mind.
17:34:15 And I started looking at the different payrolls.
17:34:19 Yes, ma'am.
17:34:21 >> Are you making more than me?
17:34:22 >> I'm making a lot more than you.
17:34:24 [ Laughter ]
17:34:25 Trouble, that is.
17:34:29 >> Seniority.
17:34:30 >>GWEN MILLER: Need to close the public hearing.
17:34:32 >> So moved.
17:34:33 >> Second.
17:34:33 (Motion carried).
17:34:34 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Move the resolution as follows:
17:34:38 Resolution levying -- is that a second?
17:34:44 Scared me.
17:34:45 Levying and ad valorem tax at the rate of 5 and
17:34:58 7,326/10,000ths.
17:35:01 That's messed up.

17:35:02 >> Just do the decimal.
17:35:02 >> Yes, I'm going to do the decimal.
17:35:04 At the rate of 5.7326 mills upon all real and personal
17:35:10 taxable property in the City of Tampa for the fiscal
17:35:12 year 2008 authorizing the mayor and city clerk to
17:35:15 certify such millage, providing an effective date.
17:35:19 Be it resolved by the City Council City of Tampa
17:35:21 Florida, section 1, ad valorem tax at the rate of
17:35:26 5.7326 mills to raise the amount of money as fixed in
17:35:31 the annual budget of the City of Tampa for the fiscal
17:35:33 year commencing October 1st, 2007, and ending
17:35:36 September 30, 2008, for the general fund for the
17:35:39 maintenance and operation of the City of Tampa, is
17:35:41 hereby levied as provided by law on all real and
17:35:45 personal property, taxable, for that purpose in the
17:35:46 City of Tampa.
17:35:48 Section 2.
17:35:49 That the mayor and the city clerk as the proper
17:35:52 authority of the City of Tampa are duly authorized,
17:35:54 empowered and directed to certify to the property
17:35:58 appraiser of Hillsborough County, Florida, the millage
17:36:00 to be levied for all purposes for the fiscal year 2008

17:36:03 in the City of Tampa, to wit: 5.7326 mills which is
17:36:08 less than the rollback rate as defined in Section
17:36:10 200.065(1) of the Florida statutes less by 5% and to
17:36:20 request the levy of the millage as set forth upon all
17:36:22 real and personal property in the City of Tampa as
17:36:24 above set forth in accordance with the provisions of
17:36:26 the Constitution and laws of the State of Florida.
17:36:30 Section 3.
17:36:30 That other proper officers of the City of Tampa are
17:36:33 authorized to do all things necessary and proper in
17:36:35 order to carry out and make effective the terms and
17:36:38 conditions of this resolution which shall become
17:36:40 effective immediately upon its adoption.
17:36:43 Passed and adopted by the City Council of the city of
17:36:46 Tampa, Florida, today, the 19th of September,
17:36:51 2007.
17:36:52 >>GWEN MILLER: I have a motion and second.
17:36:53 (Motion carried)
17:36:56 Item number 3.
17:36:57 Need to read the ordinance, Mr. Dingfelder.
17:36:59 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I move an ordinance for second
17:37:04 reading as follows, an ordinance adopting the budget

17:37:06 for the fiscal year beginning October 1, 2007, and
17:37:10 ending September 30, 2008, as presented by the mayor,
17:37:14 providing for the levy as provided by law of a tax on
17:37:18 all taxable property in the City of Tampa and fixing
17:37:20 the millage within said city, making appropriations in
17:37:24 accordance with the provisions of said budget,
17:37:26 authorizing and directing the mayor and city clerk as
17:37:29 the proper authorities of the City of Tampa to certify
17:37:32 to the property appraiser of Hillsborough County,
17:37:33 Florida, the millage to be levied for all purposes for
17:37:36 the fiscal year 2008 in the City of Tampa, providing
17:37:39 an effective date.
17:37:40 >>GWEN MILLER: I have a motion and second.
17:37:42 Voice roll call.
17:37:44 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Here.
17:37:46 Yes.
17:37:46 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Yes.
17:37:47 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Yes.
17:37:49 >>GWEN MILLER: Yes.
17:37:51 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Yes.
17:37:51 >>MARY MULHERN: Yes.
17:37:55 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: (No response)

17:37:58 >>GWEN MILLER: Item number 4.
17:38:02 Read the resolution.
17:38:05 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Move the following resolution
17:38:07 B-2008-2 resolution adopting the City of Tampa capital
17:38:11 improvement budget and program for the fiscal years
17:38:13 2008 there fiscal year 2013.
17:38:16 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Thank you, Madam Chairman.
17:38:18 This has been extremely painful based on the rollbacks
17:38:22 required by the state, and I am going to encourage all
17:38:24 of us to speak out about the January referendum on the
17:38:30 super homestead exemption, because if this was
17:38:32 painful, which it has been, that will be wretched for
17:38:37 our citizens in terms of cutting back quality of life
17:38:39 programs.
17:38:39 So I am going to speak out and I hope all of us will
17:38:42 have an opportunity to do that, to explain to our
17:38:45 constituents, the voters, just what services we lose
17:38:48 through these cutbacks.
17:38:49 >>GWEN MILLER: I have a motion and second.
17:38:51 All in favor say Aye. Opposed, nay. Is there
17:38:53 anything else to come before Council?
17:38:57 >> Motion and second to receive and file.

17:39:03 (Motion carried).
17:39:03 >> If I may announce the vote on the ordinance.
17:39:05 The motion carried with council member Caetano being
17:39:10 absent at vote.
17:39:12 >>GWEN MILLER: Anything else to come before council?
17:39:14 We stand adjourned.
17:39:15 (Meeting adjourned.)