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Tampa City Council
Thursday, April 10, 2008
11 a.m.

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11:00:30 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Tampa City Council will now come to
11:00:32 order.
11:00:34 We will have roll call now.
11:00:36 Madam clerk.
11:00:38 >>GWEN MILLER: Here.
11:00:40 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: Here.
11:00:41 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Here.
11:00:42 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Here.
11:00:44 For the record, let me just state that Mr. Miranda
11:00:47 will not be here today.

11:00:48 His wife is ill.
11:00:50 I understand she's in the hospital.
11:00:51 So certainly we want to let him know we are praying
11:00:55 for him and his wife.
11:00:58 We need to have now approval of the agenda.
11:01:00 >> So moved.
11:01:01 >> Second.
11:01:02 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Moved by councilwoman Miller, seconded
11:01:05 by councilwoman Saul-Sena.
11:01:07 Let it be known by eye.
11:01:09 Opposes.
11:01:09 So moved and ordered.
11:01:12 We will now take public comment.
11:01:15 You have three minutes to comment.
11:01:17 Come, state your name and address for the record.
11:01:23 >>> Spencer Cass, landmark real ty, Tampa, Florida.
11:01:28 I actually came here on two items.
11:01:30 One, Susan long is here from Seminole Heights.
11:01:34 I just wanted to -- this is on item number 2, the
11:01:37 legislative update.
11:01:38 I just wanted council to be aware that last night at
11:01:41 the T.H.A.N. meeting, there was a unanimous vote to

11:01:43 support house bill 991, which is ways -- basically a
11:01:49 bill that allows for public access at sunshine
11:01:52 meetings.
11:01:54 I just wanted to point out the fact that unfortunately
11:01:57 what tends to happen is where there might have been a
11:02:02 slight issue with some public comment that was
11:02:05 slightly too long, something like this, extremely
11:02:11 lengthening the meetings, and if it is just a move to
11:02:15 compromise when it comes to scheduling public
11:02:17 meetings, I don't think you keep things like this in
11:02:19 the legislature enough and you might end up with being
11:02:23 a lot worse than just some small action.
11:02:30 The second thing I want to point out, if the Elmo is
11:02:32 available and I will put this up on the Elmo, this is
11:02:40 another measure voted on for Constitutional amendment
11:02:42 to reduce the property tax rate to cap it at 1.35%.
11:02:48 And once again I want to point out, year after year I
11:02:51 come down, we talk about property taxes, and places it
11:02:55 can be cut and everyone is very nice and listens to me
11:02:59 and ultimately nothing gets done and I pick up the
11:03:02 phone, and you all end with something that ends up for
11:03:05 you where you feel is worse than what would have

11:03:09 happened.
11:03:10 If instead there was just some breakdown, then there
11:03:14 wouldn't be this constant outcry from the public.
11:03:17 At a time where real estate taxes are flowing and
11:03:20 unemployment and the foreclosure rate is increasing.
11:03:23 Although it may be a national problem, as I discussed
11:03:26 with the economist from Bank of America, there's an
11:03:30 opportunity there for the city, to drastically reduce
11:03:34 your taxes to the lowest in the state and make this
11:03:36 the number one place for people to move to.
11:03:39 You know, we want the foreign investors to come in and
11:03:42 bring their dollars in.
11:03:43 We want it to be more affordable for people who are on
11:03:46 the edge.
11:03:47 East Tampa, the last report shows there was 900
11:03:50 foreclosures or pre-foreclosures going on in that
11:03:53 area.
11:03:53 There is something that can be done now, to
11:03:56 drastically help.
11:03:58 And I really hope that you start discussing -- you set
11:04:02 the schedule for how you want to discuss property
11:04:04 taxes.

11:04:05 It's entirely under the jurisdiction of this City
11:04:07 Council.
11:04:08 If you decide you want to start the discussion early,
11:04:11 you are empowered to do so.
11:04:13 You are empowered to have -- to bring up the interim
11:04:16 budgets, where they are going, what they are working
11:04:18 on.
11:04:19 If we can get ahead of this game and we don't end up
11:04:22 where we are every year with everybody scrambling
11:04:24 because there are a lot of meetings and trying to get
11:04:26 things done, and I think you end up with better
11:04:29 information, the public ends up with better
11:04:31 information, and overall we have all benefited from
11:04:33 it.
11:04:34 Thank you.
11:04:40 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: Does this include commercial
11:04:42 property also?
11:04:42 >>> It does.
11:04:45 Also frequently asked questions on the forms that are
11:04:48 available to the public.
11:04:48 >> Thank you.
11:04:53 >>> Susan long, 920 Broad street.

11:04:58 House bill 991 is related to public meeting
11:05:01 requirements for governing boards of local government
11:05:03 authorities, creating voice of the people act.
11:05:09 Then it states, whereas some local governments have
11:05:11 policies which provide for public participation.
11:05:13 Some developed a variety of methods for circumventing
11:05:17 their own policy such as characterizing agenda items,
11:05:21 workshops, or discussions, or at which no vote will be
11:05:25 taken.
11:05:26 Whereas as a result frequently frustrated in their
11:05:29 event to speak or comment at meetings of government
11:05:33 authority.
11:05:33 I often travel to such meetings multiple times or
11:05:36 found not given the opportunity to be heard and
11:05:38 whereas the curtailment of government is central not
11:05:43 only to the expressed intent of Florida's highly
11:05:46 respected open government laws but to the principles
11:05:49 on which this nation was founded, et cetera,
11:05:51 et cetera.
11:05:53 I noticed it last week.
11:05:54 You voted specifically to close public comment and
11:05:57 workshops.

11:05:58 We spoke very loudly, it's important that we be
11:06:02 provided some input.
11:06:03 It seems to me that this bill would reopen those
11:06:07 workshops so that we could provide input.
11:06:10 We expressly stated that there's information that we
11:06:13 had as residents living in the middle of whatever it
11:06:16 is being discussed that we could provide to you that
11:06:19 you could then utilize to make your decisions, factor
11:06:24 or not factor, but at least you know how it appears to
11:06:26 us those of us living there.
11:06:28 Sometimes you have information that we don't have,
11:06:30 that works both ways, to be denied an opportunity to
11:06:33 provide our input to you at your workshop, when it's
11:06:38 in direct of house bill it 91 which by the way has not
11:06:42 passed but may, and two, it's very frustrating to us.
11:06:46 Thank you.
11:06:50 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you very much.
11:06:51 At this time we will hear from Mr. Darrell Smith on
11:07:00 these two agenda items, items 1 and 2.
11:07:03 >>> Good morning.
11:07:09 Darrell Smith, chief of staff, here to report on items
11:07:12 1 and 2 on your agenda today.

11:07:14 And we are over halfway through this year's
11:07:19 legislative session in Tallahassee.
11:07:21 The session is scheduled to end on May 2nd.
11:07:26 And I would say that there is still a lot of work to
11:07:29 be done in Tallahassee, and we are fully engaged up
11:07:34 there as we are over the midpoint of the session and
11:07:39 going into the final.
11:07:41 The first item today concerns the status of TBARTA
11:07:47 funding legislation.
11:07:48 I would like to spend just a couple of minutes talking
11:07:51 about TBARTA because it is a new organization.
11:07:55 I think we need to take every opportunity that we can
11:07:58 to give the background and give the public the
11:08:02 information as far as what TBARTA really was created
11:08:06 for.
11:08:08 And TBARTA stands for the Tampa Bay area regional
11:08:11 transportation authority.
11:08:13 And it was created by the Florida legislature in July
11:08:17 of 2007, and it includes seven counties: Citrus,
11:08:23 Hernando, Pasco, Pinellas, Hillsborough County,
11:08:27 Manatee, and Sarasota as a region.
11:08:31 The TBARTA mission is to improve mobility and expand

11:08:37 options for passengers and freight throughout the
11:08:41 seven-county region.
11:08:42 And by law the authority has the opportunity to
11:08:47 finance, construct, operate, maintain, and manage the
11:08:54 transportation system that the authority develops.
11:08:56 It can also issue bonds and work with private business
11:09:01 enterprises in order to accomplish their mission.
11:09:05 Although $1 million was initially put into legislation
11:09:10 when TBARTA was created, that $1 million in start-up
11:09:14 funding was vetoed by the governor last year, and
11:09:17 unfortunately TBARTA has been operating since its
11:09:21 creation with basically contributions from the member
11:09:27 counties through their MPOs, the metropolitan
11:09:29 planning organization, and the state Florida
11:09:36 Department of Transportation also provided $20 million
11:09:42 in funding in order to handle the technical support
11:09:45 requirements of TBARTA.
11:09:49 The additional funding is a key requirement that is
11:09:51 needed for TBARTA to handle the legislation and
11:09:59 representative Galvano has proposed the legislation
11:10:01 that would provide a recurring funding source for
11:10:04 TBARTA to use as far as bonding and just to handle the

11:10:08 day-to-day requirements that they have as far as
11:10:11 costs.
11:10:13 And the legislation proposed by senator Galvano is
11:10:16 house bill 1245.
11:10:20 It is proposing to use rental car surcharge taxes that
11:10:25 are currently being used to support Florida Department
11:10:30 of Transportation programs in the various member
11:10:33 counties, proposing to divert those funds from
11:10:36 transportation use for the counties and allow the
11:10:40 regional transportation authorities in the state,
11:10:44 three of in particular, to use those funding sources
11:10:48 in order to support the regional transportation
11:10:50 authority.
11:10:53 And it only applies to rental tax surcharge that is
11:10:56 collected within each of the counties within each of
11:11:00 the regional transportation authority.
11:11:02 So our seven counties, the rental car surcharge, $2 a
11:11:07 day, 80% of that, in accordance with this legislation,
11:11:12 would be provided for the opportunity for TBARTA to
11:11:17 draw up on, if you will.
11:11:19 The projected revenue from this proposed legislation
11:11:23 in the house is approximately $19 million, if you are

11:11:26 looking at FY 08-09 projected revenues.
11:11:32 And the bonding capacity for that $19 million, if you
11:11:37 look at it from the TBARTA perspective, is
11:11:41 approximately $250 million that results from that
11:11:44 annual revenue of at least 19 or more.
11:11:48 And the important part of this, in addition to a
11:11:51 recurring revenue source, is the ability to use this
11:11:53 source for matching funds for the federal government
11:11:58 support, because that is a requirement, anytime you go
11:12:02 to the federal level seeking funds, they are going to
11:12:05 be will go for matching sources from local
11:12:07 jurisdictions, or regions, in order to be successful
11:12:11 in the funding support.
11:12:14 Now, because the legislation is proposing diverting
11:12:17 existing funds that are going to FDOT construction,
11:12:22 five-year construction program, I did verting those
11:12:25 programs over to the use of TBARTA and the two other
11:12:29 regional transportation authorities, there are some
11:12:31 concerns on the part of one FDOT.
11:12:35 They are concerned about losing existing revenues that
11:12:38 they have, that they are using to support
11:12:41 transportation projects, and there's also concerns

11:12:44 with the counties involved, because those counties in
11:12:47 many cases have the benefit of those funds from
11:12:50 before, and the concern of those funds going away from
11:12:57 the FDOT use and to the regional authority use is of
11:13:01 concern to some of the counties.
11:13:03 FDOT's impact is projected to be a negative impact of
11:13:07 $60 million in one year as a result of the proposed
11:13:11 legislation.
11:13:14 Now, the legislation allows the regional
11:13:17 transportation authorities to request portions of the
11:13:22 entire funding that is available.
11:13:25 So TBARTA on March 28th made a motion to ask their
11:13:32 chair and their FDOT secretary to -- or bud Clifford,
11:13:43 the support for the organization, to meet with
11:13:45 representative Galvano, and the FDOT secretary in
11:13:48 Tallahassee, to try to reach a compromise agreement
11:13:54 that would afford TBARTA some opportunity to share in
11:13:59 the funding without necessarily seeking all of the
11:14:01 funding upfront.
11:14:04 As far as the current status, house bill 1245 has been
11:14:08 approved by both the infrastructure committee and the
11:14:12 economic expansion and infrastructure council.

11:14:15 It's now in the policy and budget council, which is
11:14:18 the last stop before it goes to the house floor for a
11:14:23 vote.
11:14:25 In the Senate, it's a companion bill, only addresses
11:14:30 the south Florida regional transportation authority.
11:14:33 So there is going to be need to be work on in the
11:14:38 Senate in order to accomplish the other two regional
11:14:41 transportation authorities in the house bill.
11:14:46 Senator Kerry baker, who is the representative from
11:14:54 Eustis is the chair of the transportation committee in
11:14:57 the Senate.
11:15:00 He will be a key point as far as determining what the
11:15:03 Senate does with the bill, and we will certainly be
11:15:07 watching very closely as the legislation moves to the
11:15:11 Senate transportation committee, and develops in the
11:15:14 Senate, and hopefully comes together on both sides of
11:15:18 the legislature.
11:15:19 If the law is passed, it would go into effect in July
11:15:22 1 of 2008.
11:15:26 And that concludes my presentation, if you have any
11:15:29 questions, council members.
11:15:32 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Thank you, that was a very thorough

11:15:34 description.
11:15:37 We have all identified the success of TBARTA has
11:15:42 tremendously important to our community.
11:15:44 Based on that, based on what Mr. Smith has just shared
11:15:47 with us, I'd like to make a motion that we support
11:15:50 house bill 1245 and that we encourage the Senate bill
11:15:54 to include TBARTA.
11:16:00 Do I have a second?
11:16:06 >>THOMAS SCOTT: There is a motion on the floor that we
11:16:12 support the bills reference TBARTA.
11:16:17 Now this raises a question here again.
11:16:19 Where are the other municipalities?
11:16:21 Are they opposing this strongly?
11:16:23 >>> In the TBARTA 7 count group, when they took the
11:16:28 motion to seek a compromise agreement with
11:16:35 representative Galvano and FDOT, the two counties that
11:16:38 voted against that were Sarasota and Manatee.
11:16:42 And the other identified counties voted in support of
11:16:47 the motion.
11:16:51 >>THOMAS SCOTT: The other jurisdictions, though, I
11:16:53 know the representative voted but have the other
11:16:56 counties and jurisdictions been on board with

11:16:58 supporting -- as you stated earlier, the question is
11:17:01 that most counties and cities are using this money for
11:17:04 other transportation projects, and that means they
11:17:10 get, I guess, 80% of that now?
11:17:13 >>> Yes, sir.
11:17:14 But with regards to TBARTA, the only counties that
11:17:16 would be contributing to this are the seven counties
11:17:18 that make up the membership here.
11:17:21 So we are not talking about, for example, Polk County
11:17:23 having to contribute to a TBRTA because they are not a
11:17:27 member.
11:17:28 >>THOMAS SCOTT: But my issue, though, is still
11:17:31 Hillsborough County, 80% of that revenue now goes to
11:17:37 TBARTA as I understand the existing language and the
11:17:40 existing deal, right?
11:17:42 >>> Yes, sir.
11:17:43 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Has the Board of County Commissioners
11:17:45 of Hillsborough County voted as a board to endorse the
11:17:48 bill?
11:17:48 >>> Not to my knowledge.
11:17:49 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Okay.
11:17:51 Has the county commissions of Pinellas voted to

11:17:54 endorse the bill?
11:17:56 >>> Not to my knowledge.
11:17:58 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Have the counties of -- Pasco is in
11:18:02 there, right?
11:18:03 Have they voted?
11:18:04 And the reason I raise that is, at the end of the day,
11:18:09 we have to have their support, because I will tell
11:18:11 you, the state organization, if they are not on board
11:18:22 it with, my concern is making sure we have support of
11:18:24 all these other organizations, as well that are on
11:18:27 board.
11:18:32 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: They all voted as members -- their
11:18:36 representatives voted.
11:18:37 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Yes, but let me tell you something.
11:18:41 Just because a member voted, that doesn't mean that
11:18:43 the board has endorsed it.
11:18:47 Understand that.
11:18:51 So if those boards have not endorsed it, you still may
11:18:54 have some problems, with issues.
11:18:58 Just as we are giving our support.
11:19:04 I would assume that since the mayor -- she voted to
11:19:09 support it, right?

11:19:11 >>> She seeks a compromise and discuss with the
11:19:17 representative Galvano what his position is going to
11:19:20 be.
11:19:23 >>THOMAS SCOTT: So she voted to support the
11:19:24 resolution.
11:19:25 Did she support to support the original motion and the
11:19:28 original bill, do you know?
11:19:29 >>> Just the TBRTA motion.
11:19:31 I think we are still, quite frankly, early in this
11:19:35 process, because we do not even have a Senate
11:19:38 companion bill that addresses the TBARTA situation,
11:19:44 and I think over the next week we will see more and
11:19:47 more development as both sides of the legislature talk
11:19:51 about this more.
11:19:52 >>THOMAS SCOTT: What will be the financial to Tampa if
11:19:58 the bill should pass?
11:20:00 >>> I don't know about Tampa in particular.
11:20:02 We certainly do have FDOT funded projects that come
11:20:06 out of this trust fund, the recipient of the surtax
11:20:12 money.
11:20:12 So we have not shredded it out separately for the City
11:20:16 of Tampa. But for Hillsborough County, it amounts to

11:20:19 about $13 million.
11:20:23 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Annually. Okay.
11:20:29 >>MARY MULHERN: I think you answered my question.
11:20:32 When you gave the $19 million projected revenue, was
11:20:35 that for Hillsborough County, or -- for all of TBRTA?
11:20:41 Because this bill mentions, although says
11:20:45 transportation -- regional transportation authority.
11:20:49 So is that including the other regional
11:20:51 transportation?
11:20:52 >>> No, ma'am.
11:20:53 There's two other regional transportation authorities.
11:20:55 South Florida and northwest Florida not included in
11:20:58 that projection.
11:20:59 >> And the bill.
11:21:00 But the bill is for all the regional authorities?
11:21:04 >>> For the three regional transportation authorities.
11:21:06 >>MARY MULHERN: And I think what I you say was that
11:21:10 the mayor voted to put forth a compromise, not
11:21:16 naturally the bill.
11:21:17 Is that correct?
11:21:18 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: And that was my motion, the
11:21:19 compromise.

11:21:24 Mr. Chairman, I misstated it.
11:21:28 >>MARY MULHERN: That's what I was trying to clear up.
11:21:31 I would like to just say that it's all very
11:21:35 interesting that FDOT is worried about losing revenue,
11:21:43 whereas really what's happening in TBARTA is all
11:21:48 straight transportation planning.
11:21:49 So whereas I think the public has this perception,
11:21:53 this is what -- one of the many things I'm concerned
11:21:57 about with TBARTA, the public perception is that
11:22:00 TBARTA is supposed to be transit.
11:22:03 And as this working out with FDOT administering
11:22:09 things, they are talking about transportation, which
11:22:11 is really wide open.
11:22:12 Because now they are including, you know, freeways and
11:22:18 roads and all kinds of things into this.
11:22:20 So I don't know if FDOT has a large claim to losing
11:22:29 money because a lot of that money they are going to be
11:22:31 influencing what it's spent on through TBARTA.
11:22:35 So I think as we are negotiating with them, we should
11:22:39 keep in mind that this is not necessarily a loss to
11:22:42 them if this revenue goes through TBRTA, a lot of it
11:22:47 is going to be coming back to their objective, which I

11:22:51 have a problem with.
11:22:51 And I would like to say we need to keep this in mind
11:22:57 as the City of Tampa.
11:22:58 And here we have a question about whether even
11:23:01 Hillsborough County is going to support moving ahead
11:23:03 with this funding.
11:23:05 We need to keep in mind that our objectives with
11:23:09 transit are not necessarily going to be moved forward
11:23:16 in any kind of timely manner with it.
11:23:19 So we need to keep in mind that we still need to
11:23:21 forward our plans for transit, if we are serious about
11:23:25 it, from the perspective of art or the city and the
11:23:30 streetcar and whatever other ways we can go about
11:23:36 moving transit, considering that a lot of these rural
11:23:39 and more suburban counties aren't even interested
11:23:42 in -- Sarasota and who else?
11:23:46 >> Manatee.
11:23:48 >>MARY MULHERN: Manatee and Polk County Polk.
11:23:50 There's another question.
11:23:53 Polk County was possibly going to be joining.
11:23:59 Do you have any update on that?
11:24:02 >>> Darrell Smith: Yes, ma'am. In fact we have the

11:24:05 Polk County administrator and three county
11:24:06 commissioners traveled to the City of Tampa earlier
11:24:10 this week and met with the mayor.
11:24:13 And ha their situation, they are in between.
11:24:19 The central Florida regional transportation authority
11:24:23 and TBRTA, and it appears that the county commission
11:24:27 in Polk County is not really on the same page as far
11:24:34 as whether they would rather go to TBARTA or central
11:24:40 Florida.
11:24:41 And they are trying to determine what the best
11:24:43 possible case is for them going forward in the future,
11:24:49 whether they try to work out an arrangement where they
11:24:51 are in both, or whether in fact they get a consensus
11:24:54 to go in one direction or the other.
11:24:57 But they have definitely expressed interest in the
11:25:01 potential of joining in a regional authority, because
11:25:06 of the benefits that that membership has at the
11:25:09 federal level in securing funds.
11:25:18 >>GWEN MILLER: Mr. Smith, you stated the Senate does
11:25:21 not have a companion bill, right?
11:25:23 >>> They have a companion bill.
11:25:24 But it only relates to the south Florida regional

11:25:27 transportation authority.
11:25:28 It does not include the other two, one of which will
11:25:33 be TBARTA.
11:25:34 >> Don't you think we need to wait and see if that
11:25:37 bill in the Senate is going to make an impact?
11:25:39 Because might not even be heard, would it?
11:25:43 Would the bill be heard if they don't come up with
11:25:45 something?
11:25:46 >>> No, ma'am, it wouldn't.
11:25:47 >> Maybe they need to wait and see if the Senate --
11:25:51 >>> That would be my recommendation.
11:25:52 I don't think we have enough time.
11:25:55 And whether or not there is consensus on supporting
11:25:59 the TBARTA motion it as an element of the overall
11:26:07 approach.
11:26:08 That would be up to council's prerogative.
11:26:12 >>GWEN MILLER: I would like to wait and see if the
11:26:14 Senate is going to come up with a companion bill to
11:26:16 meet with the house that it can go through because if
11:26:19 they don't it's not even going to be heard on the
11:26:22 floor.
11:26:24 I would not vote for it now, wait and see what

11:26:27 happens.
11:26:29 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Councilman Caetano.
11:26:33 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: I haven't seen the bill.
11:26:34 Knowing the way things going in Tallahassee, unless
11:26:37 there's a companion bill with it, I do support the
11:26:39 concept, but not until I read the bill.
11:26:44 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Councilwoman Saul-Sena.
11:26:46 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Seeing that there's not enough
11:26:48 consensus to move ahead on this, I would like to put
11:26:51 it on the agenda under staff reports for next week,
11:26:55 and somebody can tell us whether the Senate has taken
11:26:58 any action.
11:27:00 It would be my hope that we would provide leadership
11:27:02 and we would encourage all friends in the state Senate
11:27:06 to come up with a bill and a compromise bill at that.
11:27:09 I feel that TBARTA is so important to the future of
11:27:11 transit in our area, it needs a source of funding.
11:27:14 And I think that the understanding and the compromise
11:27:17 would be that we wouldn't use the 80% of funding
11:27:23 available for the first seven years because it takes a
11:27:25 long time to develop a plan, develop strategies for
11:27:29 how you go after the federal money, and my experience

11:27:33 is it takes like five years to get through the whole
11:27:36 environmental impact statement process, do the
11:27:39 planning and be ready to actually spend money on
11:27:41 something.
11:27:42 I don't think that this would come before the voters
11:27:45 for several years.
11:27:46 But this would just allow there to be money for
11:27:49 staffing to move on.
11:27:50 So I would like this to be on our agenda next week.
11:27:54 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Well, let me just speak tore that for
11:27:57 a moment.
11:27:59 Mr. Smith, you did state on record that the mayor has
11:28:01 already voted to support the compromise.
11:28:06 Resolution.
11:28:07 Right?
11:28:07 >>> The TBRTA resolution.
11:28:09 >>THOMAS SCOTT: And, see, my position would have been
11:28:11 I don't have a problem supporting the compromise
11:28:14 solution.
11:28:14 However, keeping in mind, look at the final outcome,
11:28:20 because at the end of the day, keep this in mind, when
11:28:22 you talk about transit and the government you must

11:28:24 have matching dollars, okay?
11:28:26 And that might be a revenue source for that.
11:28:31 So you don't want to commit all of that.
11:28:34 My guess is as we move forward is we talk about what's
11:28:38 going to happen, referendum, CIT and whatever, and
11:28:43 maybe different options that we can come up with.
11:28:46 Maybe the opportunity to come up -- you don't want to
11:28:51 commit everything that may be utilized for transit in
11:28:53 the future.
11:28:54 But I am supportive of some kind of resolution that
11:28:57 will reach a compromise.
11:28:59 And after all the mayor has already voted for that.
11:29:04 That's on the record.
11:29:06 >>GWEN MILLER: Why doesn't each councilman contact
11:29:08 personally the senator and speak with them and how you
11:29:12 feel about it and maybe that will encourage them to
11:29:14 come up with some kind of solution.
11:29:17 Instead of all of us seeing I think the person to
11:29:20 contact would be very good.
11:29:25 >>THOMAS SCOTT: While that may be good, my experience
11:29:28 has been they will listen to aboard that voted
11:29:31 together. That carries a lot more weight in my

11:29:33 opinion.
11:29:34 And then you lobby them on behalf of the board.
11:29:36 That's been my experience.
11:29:38 Maybe you all have a different experience.
11:29:41 Yes.
11:29:44 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I misspoke previously when I made
11:29:46 the motion.
11:29:46 Way intended to do was make a motion to support a
11:29:49 compromise bill to create funding for TBARTA.
11:29:52 That's a very broad statement.
11:29:53 >>THOMAS SCOTT: I would support that.
11:29:55 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I would like to make that for a
11:30:00 compromise vote for TBRTA.
11:30:02 >>THOMAS SCOTT: This is the same resolution that the
11:30:03 mayor has already voted on.
11:30:05 So you are only encouraging to move to a compromise.
11:30:08 That's all you are doing.
11:30:10 Is that right?
11:30:13 >>> I think in addition another important element is
11:30:15 the basic support of the rental car surcharge as the
11:30:20 mechanism.
11:30:21 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: And the rental car surcharge

11:30:24 mechanism.
11:30:25 >>GWEN MILLER: So you are saying that should be
11:30:27 included.
11:30:28 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: We have a motion on the floor
11:30:29 already.
11:30:30 So I'll withdraw my motion on the -- my second on the
11:30:33 first motion that Linda made.
11:30:37 >>THOMAS SCOTT: You made the motion to put this on the
11:30:39 agenda.
11:30:40 So it don't need to be on the agenda if you are going
11:30:42 to -- so there's a motion on the floor.
11:30:45 A motion on the floor.
11:30:46 Original motion is withdraw.
11:30:48 Now the motion on the floor is to support the
11:30:50 compromise bill to create funding for TBARTA which
11:30:53 includes the rental car surcharge.
11:30:56 Okay.
11:30:57 That was made by councilwoman Saul-Sena, seconded by
11:31:00 councilwoman Mary Mulhern.
11:31:03 >>GWEN MILLER: Is that the same motion the mayor voted
11:31:05 on?
11:31:06 >>> I can give you an extract to be more specific.

11:31:09 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Hold it one second.
11:31:11 Yes.
11:31:12 >>MARTIN SHELBY: If Mr. Smith will provide that to me
11:31:14 I will put in the form for City Council and I will be
11:31:16 able to bring it back to you in written form on
11:31:18 tonight's agenda, if council so wishes.
11:31:23 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Go ahead, Mr. Smith.
11:31:24 >>> Darrell Smith.
11:31:28 Motion made on March 28th was to have the chairman
11:31:33 Bob Clifford meet with representative Galvano and FDOT
11:31:37 secretary to let them know that we, TBARTA, support
11:31:41 some compromise in their effort, and we would like to
11:31:45 see rental car surcharge happen.
11:31:52 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Okay.
11:31:52 So what we will do is, let's vote then that we ask our
11:31:59 City Council attorney to bring the language back to us
11:32:01 tonight.
11:32:01 So will you?
11:32:06 >> Yes.
11:32:06 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Clerk, do you have that?
11:32:09 It's been moved and seconded that we allow Mr. Smith
11:32:11 to provide the language to our attorney and he will

11:32:14 draft a resolution whatever is necessary to bring back
11:32:17 at our evening meeting.
11:32:19 All in favor let it be known by Aye.
11:32:21 All Opposes?
11:32:21 So moved and ordered.
11:32:23 Thank you very kindly.
11:32:24 Now item number 2.
11:32:26 >>> Yes, sir.
11:32:27 Item number 2 is regarding the ongoing legislative
11:32:30 initiatives that affect the city during this
11:32:34 legislative session.
11:32:35 First of all, we did not file any local bills on
11:32:38 behalf of the City of Tampa in years past.
11:32:42 We filed local bills for the city for changes to the
11:32:45 retirement, and other kinds of administrative areas.
11:32:51 We have no local bills for this session.
11:32:56 We did submit to community budget appropriation
11:33:01 requests that involve stormwater projects, one in the
11:33:05 north Tampa Bay and the other in Drew Park.
11:33:07 Each of those were for $1.5 million each.
11:33:12 As you know, the state is going through a very
11:33:15 difficult budget year this time.

11:33:19 The Senate, I believe yesterday, voted on a budget
11:33:22 that is $4 billion less than what they have in the
11:33:27 current year.
11:33:29 The House is going to be taking up their budget cuts
11:33:32 that will be expected to come in even greater than the
11:33:34 $4 billion.
11:33:36 So our expectation for getting a significant amount of
11:33:40 funding out of our community budget request,
11:33:45 pessimistic at best.
11:33:48 Senator Justice and Senator Joyner, however, are
11:33:50 working diligently to find funding for the stormwater
11:33:55 projects.
11:33:57 Currently we have 300,000 in the Senate side for the
11:34:00 north Tampa closed basin water management initiative.
11:34:04 And we have 100,000 for the Drew Park stormwater
11:34:08 drainage project.
11:34:11 Both of those were in the Senate.
11:34:12 We have no appropriations in the house at this time.
11:34:18 I would like to cover some of the legislation that
11:34:22 certainly we are following closely and give you the
11:34:24 status of that.
11:34:27 One of the areas is the community redevelopment areas,

11:34:30 the CRA Senate bill 1528 was filed early on in the
11:34:36 session by senator storms that relates to the
11:34:39 community redevelopment agencies, and their
11:34:47 dissolution.
11:34:48 Basically the bill allows for the dissolution of
11:34:50 community redevelopment agencies within 15 years after
11:34:53 creation, and the agencies that were created before
11:34:57 July 1 of 2008 and have been in existence for longer
11:35:03 than 15 years would be dissolved by July 1 of 2009.
11:35:09 And obviously the City of Tampa strongly -- it does
11:35:16 not have a companion bill.
11:35:18 On the house side there has been no movement.
11:35:20 It in the community affairs finance, and tax
11:35:24 committees.
11:35:26 And I assure you we will be watching that very
11:35:29 closely, because we cannot afford that kind of an
11:35:32 impact on our CRAs here.
11:35:36 We also have another bit of legislation regarding the
11:35:40 community redevelopment area, House bill 63,
11:35:44 representative Shante filed a bill that authorizes
11:35:47 counties and municipalities to use ad valorem tax
11:35:51 revenues for law enforcement, fire rescue, or

11:35:55 emergency medical services in community redevelopment
11:35:59 areas that have been in existence for more than five
11:36:01 years.
11:36:03 Obviously, the focus there, as you develop a blighted
11:36:08 area, the requirement for more and more public safety
11:36:14 support resources are there, and whether or not those
11:36:18 can come out of the TIF revenue compared to the
11:36:22 general revenue fund is the focus of that bill.
11:36:25 There is a companion bill in the Senate side, Senate
11:36:28 bill 360 that's identical with the exception that
11:36:32 there's no requirement for after five years.
11:36:36 Senate bill 360 would be effective immediately upon
11:36:40 approval by the legislature.
11:36:42 We are watching those bills.
11:36:43 They are evolving.
11:36:46 I think the focus is going to be on an incremental,
11:36:50 you know, what additional resources in those areas are
11:36:53 going to be required, not to try to go back and recoup
11:36:56 anything that is already being funded out of the
11:37:01 general fund.
11:37:04 >>GWEN MILLER: Councilwoman Mary Mulhern then
11:37:06 councilwoman Saul-Sena.

11:37:07 >>MARY MULHERN: I had a question on that, house bill
11:37:11 63.
11:37:13 The bill is to allow TIF revenue to support police and
11:37:19 fire activities.
11:37:23 >>> Yes, ma'am.
11:37:23 >>MARY MULHERN: Didn't we just vote to do that with
11:37:26 one of our CRAs in Drew Park, to use the CRA, the
11:37:33 TIF revenue to pay for law enforcement?
11:37:35 >>> You are paying for overtime to support the law
11:37:39 enforcement in Drew Park for their activities.
11:37:46 There is an existing capability already there when you
11:37:49 can refer to community policing.
11:37:52 But what we are talking about here is, for example, in
11:37:55 the Channel District, over the years, say ten years
11:37:58 from now, or five years from now.
11:38:03 When there is a need for more and more public safety
11:38:06 support there, should that come from the general fund
11:38:10 and continue to draw down the general fund?
11:38:14 Or should it be charged to the Channel District for
11:38:17 those incremental additional funding requirements?
11:38:23 >> But we can use TIF money to pay twice as much.
11:38:26 We just can't use it for right now.

11:38:29 Okay.
11:38:32 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Thank you for your report, Mr.
11:38:33 Smith.
11:38:34 I'm very hopeful that in the future that council gets
11:38:37 involved early on in discussing with the
11:38:40 administration in a meaningful way, in a way that's
11:38:43 early enough so that it is meaningful, what
11:38:45 initiatives bee want to take in Tallahassee.
11:38:47 I think it's very appropriate to our role as policy
11:38:50 makers, and I am only hoping that the state
11:38:54 legislature doesn't act destructively in some of the
11:38:59 member bills that are before them that we haven't
11:39:02 weighed in on that we could be absolutely undermining
11:39:06 to our ability to function well as a city from not
11:39:09 allowing to us do our own construction projects, to
11:39:12 not allowing us to have the same tax rate that exists
11:39:16 now, there are just a number of things that are pieces
11:39:18 of mischief going on in Tallahassee, and I hope they
11:39:21 don't get laid. Anyway, next year I hope we weigh in
11:39:26 earlier.
11:39:26 I ask every year but this year is no exception.
11:39:28 I hope that the city will consider, instead of working

11:39:31 with our very funded but not just Tampa lobbyist in
11:39:36 Tallahassee, I hope we will consider having a staff
11:39:39 person who, when people look at them, they'll say, oh,
11:39:43 that person represents the City of Tampa solely as our
11:39:48 lobbyist from Tampa in Tallahassee up there.
11:39:54 And I just think it's more effective.
11:40:05 When you see Cathy, she's been very successful and I
11:40:09 feel like people sass wonderful guy but represents a
11:40:12 variety of interests and I would like to have a solely
11:40:14 dedicated person in Tallahassee representing our city.
11:40:24 >>> I might comment, Mr. Chair.
11:40:26 We certainly encourage council input to the mayor and
11:40:28 myself as far as the development of the legislative
11:40:32 agenda for the following year, and certainly during
11:40:35 the year would be more responsive in providing
11:40:42 information as it comes up.
11:40:43 There's obviously more lobbying that can be done in
11:40:46 Tallahassee than we can ever afford.
11:40:50 And we have to carefully pick which areas that we are
11:40:55 going to provide lobbyist support for so that we can
11:41:00 make sure that we have covered the city adequately
11:41:06 from both a defensive, making sure that things don't

11:41:09 happen that will be very bad for the city, and from an
11:41:12 offensive standpoint, taking proactive measures to
11:41:16 accomplish items that are in our best interest.
11:41:21 My experience has been, our approach with Mr. Bill
11:41:27 peoples in Tallahassee, and using our local
11:41:35 intergovernment staff person, Debby Stevenson, that
11:41:39 has been a hill effective approach, because both are
11:41:43 highly experienced and very knowledgeable.
11:41:49 Debby is the staff contact for the City of Tampa.
11:41:54 Mr. Peoples, he's been with us two years.
11:41:59 I think he is certainly well-known throughout the
11:42:02 legislature in his own right, and he's getting more
11:42:06 and more known as he successfully promotes our
11:42:11 interests up there as a lobbyist.
11:42:13 And I assure you, from my personal standpoint, I could
11:42:16 not be more pleased with his performance in the last
11:42:19 two years, in particular last year with the property
11:42:27 taxes and the special session and all of the
11:42:29 additional work, he came through always for us with
11:42:32 regard to responsiveness, and with regard to really
11:42:37 top quality work.
11:42:39 So I wish we had the opportunity, I wish we had the

11:42:43 funding to be able to put a full-time staff member
11:42:46 back into that role where they could commute back and
11:42:49 forth between Tallahassee and Tampa.
11:42:52 But I think our current arrangement is to pay big
11:42:59 dividends, and affordable approach from our
11:43:03 perspective.
11:43:05 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: That was Senate bill 991?
11:43:11 >>> Was that the public meeting --
11:43:14 >> You gave us two bills.
11:43:15 House bill 1245 and Senate bill 991?
11:43:19 >>> With TBRTA?
11:43:20 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: That was different.
11:43:23 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I believe Senate bill 1512, 1512, for
11:43:29 the TBRTA.
11:43:30 The public comment one --
11:43:33 House bill 991.
11:43:37 >>> Yes, participation in public meetings was covered
11:43:56 during the public comment.
11:43:59 Portion.
11:43:59 And certainly, we respect and endorse that
11:44:05 opportunity.
11:44:08 The law basically requires that we provide public

11:44:11 meeting opportunity for citizens to speak.
11:44:15 And it's going to lay out requirements that are
11:44:20 necessary in order for us to comply with that.
11:44:22 We will have the opportunities of our own rules as
11:44:26 long as they are in compliance with the basic
11:44:28 legislation.
11:44:28 So certainly we will be watching that as it goes into
11:44:32 the remainder of the legislature, and to see if there
11:44:36 is anything in there that is of concern.
11:44:39 At this point we do not see anything.
11:44:42 That's of concern to us.
11:44:44 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Councilwoman Mulhern.
11:44:47 >>MARY MULHERN: I don't know if -- are you done with
11:44:49 that?
11:44:51 >>> Darrell Smith: Yes, ma'am.
11:44:52 >>MARY MULHERN: Because this is -- I have this
11:44:55 transmittal from Elaine through you about the Dallas
11:45:00 area rapid transit.
11:45:02 And I'm wondering if we could have this presentation
11:45:07 here to City Council.
11:45:14 Looks like somebody from Dallas came, but they are
11:45:17 working with Carter Burgess.

11:45:21 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Let me suggest then, Ms. Mulhern, that
11:45:24 we take that up under our information items of new
11:45:27 business, because I want to show that we are through
11:45:32 with Mr. Smith if he has things to do.
11:45:35 >>MARY MULHERN: I'm just wondering why we have this as
11:45:37 a transmittal.
11:45:38 It wasn't an agenda item, was it?
11:45:40 >>> No.
11:45:41 I believe you are referring to presentation that is
11:45:46 were submitted and Elaine being very proactive in
11:45:52 providing you information that came through TBRTA
11:45:56 process for your information.
11:45:57 So it would asking the Dallas person to come back out
11:46:03 strictly for a council presentation.
11:46:06 >>MARY MULHERN: We can talk about it.
11:46:11 But that does bring up the idea that Elaine, our
11:46:15 transit manager, might be a good person to be lobbying
11:46:17 the transit manager and TBRTA.
11:46:22 >>> Well, Tampa Bay partnership as you know has played
11:46:24 a very key long-term role in the creation of TBARTA,
11:46:30 and they are definitely day to day involved in the
11:46:36 legislative process in Tallahassee, and we will

11:46:39 utilize Elaine wherever we can for individual calls or
11:46:46 even meetings with the various representatives.
11:46:52 >>> Thank you, Mr. Smith, for appearing.
11:46:54 We will now take up new business.
11:47:00 We will start with councilwoman Mulhern.
11:47:04 >>MARY MULHERN: Yes.
11:47:06 This is new-new business, because I know we don't want
11:47:14 to pay somebody to come here from Dallas but maybe
11:47:17 Elaine could give us a recap of the -- so maybe
11:47:22 somebody from Carter Burgess -- Carter Burgess.
11:47:28 The Carter Burgess person that's working with TBARTA.
11:47:33 Anyway, so that's an idea.
11:47:35 So then I had a couple other things.
11:47:40 I'd like to invite Ryan Shuman who I mentioned earlier
11:47:45 who has come up with some great ideas for converting,
11:47:49 changing some of the roads in Tampa Heights.
11:47:53 He's going away soon.
11:47:54 So I would like to invite him on May 1st to
11:48:00 council, to give his PowerPoint presentation, which 15
11:48:05 minutes.
11:48:05 He probably doesn't even need that much.
11:48:08 But if we could put that that on the agenda.

11:48:13 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Second.
11:48:13 Give him ten.
11:48:15 >>: Ten minutes.
11:48:16 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Moved and seconded that we invite Ryan
11:48:19 Schuman.
11:48:20 Moved by councilwoman Mulhern, seconded by
11:48:24 councilwoman Saul-Sena.
11:48:27 So moved and order.
11:48:30 >> And I would like to prepare a commendation for
11:48:32 Christy Anderson.
11:48:33 I don't know if anybody saw this last night.
11:48:35 Did you see it?
11:48:35 She's a local film producer who has been working for
11:48:39 years.
11:48:40 I don't even want to say how many.
11:48:42 Research and preparing a documentary about Amelia oak
11:48:54 Hurst, shown last nature on PBS, and I guess she got a
11:49:00 great review in the New York Times, got a write-up
11:49:03 before in the St. Pete Times but it was a fantastic
11:49:05 documentary.
11:49:06 I think as a Tampa film producer we should give her a
11:49:10 commendation for that great Florida history that she

11:49:18 put together.
11:49:19 And hopefully, I'll try to find out when it's going to
11:49:22 be aired again so everyone can watch it and I can
11:49:25 announce it here because it was great.
11:49:28 >> It's been moved and seconded.
11:49:30 All in favor let it be known by Aye.
11:49:33 Opposed same sign.
11:49:34 So moved and ordered.
11:49:35 Mr. Caetano.
11:49:36 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: Nothing.
11:49:37 >>GWEN MILLER: Councilwoman Saul-Sena.
11:49:39 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Briefly, we have got these
11:49:41 wonderful photographs in front of us that are part of
11:49:43 the Florida heritage celebration.
11:49:45 These are four endangered buildings.
11:49:48 So this is to raise everybody's awareness.
11:49:50 There's a conference this weekend called renew Tampa.
11:49:54 It's actually going on for a week.
11:49:56 It put on by the American institute of architects.
11:49:59 Heritage committee in conjunction with Tampa
11:50:01 Preservation and Florida heritage to raise everybody's
11:50:05 awareness about historic preservation and how

11:50:08 important it is to all of us.
11:50:09 So I'm giving you little pickets to tell but the web
11:50:16 site and activities and I hope you will take part in
11:50:19 some of the historic tours.
11:50:20 We have tours of schools, tours of neighborhoods, and
11:50:23 it's looking at our entire community and celebrating
11:50:26 our beautiful architecture.
11:50:28 So that's going on.
11:50:29 And secondly, when we have a comp plan discussion the
11:50:34 last Thursday of the month under our workshop, I would
11:50:37 like to make a motion that we schedule at 1:30 a
11:50:41 discussion specifically on historic preservation as
11:50:44 part of our comp plan.
11:50:47 There was a meeting the other day, and nobody was
11:50:49 quite sure what's in, what's out, what it means.
11:50:52 And I think it would be helpful to have staff,
11:50:55 preservation staff, our legal people, as well as the
11:50:58 Planning Commission, discuss exactly is proposed as
11:51:01 part of our comp plan in terms of historic
11:51:03 preservation.
11:51:04 I would like to schedule that for 1:30.
11:51:08 Maybe not all council members can stay but at least

11:51:11 that way we would be able to have staff here and the
11:51:14 public and our staff.
11:51:17 That's a motion that we have a workshop as part of our
11:51:20 last April's -- pardon?
11:51:24 April 24th at 1:30.
11:51:28 This will be at 1:30.
11:51:29 >>THOMAS SCOTT: How many workshops are now scheduled?
11:51:39 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Mr. Chairman, I discussed that with
11:51:41 David Smith because I said I really want to do this
11:51:43 and I really want to have staff there and he said,
11:51:46 well, dewpoint have to have a quorum.
11:51:48 You just have to have it as part of your workshop
11:51:50 agenda.
11:51:51 And have it as --
11:51:54's not true, though.
11:51:55 If he told you that --
11:51:57 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Maybe I didn't understand him
11:51:59 properly.
11:51:59 Maybe he said you can have a special discussion
11:52:01 meeting but in council chambers at 1:30 and you don't
11:52:03 have to have --
11:52:06 >> You have to have a quorum.

11:52:07 >> Then I misspoke.
11:52:08 What I would like to do is move we have a special
11:52:11 discussion meeting on the historic preservation
11:52:13 element of the comp plan at 1:30 on the workshop day
11:52:16 at council.
11:52:20 >>MARY MULHERN: I'll second it, but are we going to
11:52:22 have staff there?
11:52:24 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Yes.
11:52:24 That's why I had the conversation with him.
11:52:26 I got it directly from his mouth and he said if we
11:52:29 scheduled it on a Thursday, that we didn't have to
11:52:32 have a quorum of council members but that the public
11:52:34 could be present, the press could be present, and
11:52:36 staff importantly would be present.
11:52:42 >> Who do we want?
11:52:44 >> I think we want historic preservation, land use,
11:52:47 people, because they are all kind of interconnected.
11:52:51 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Mr. Shelby, do you want to speak to
11:52:53 that?
11:52:54 >>MARTIN SHELBY: No, council.
11:52:55 I just want to be clear with regard to that that it
11:52:57 will be held in chambers.

11:53:00 Will it be televised?
11:53:01 Would you have the CTTV televise?
11:53:06 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Sure.
11:53:07 Yes.
11:53:10 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Okay.
11:53:11 And with a special discussion meeting.
11:53:15 The understanding is that no official action has been
11:53:18 taken.
11:53:18 >>> Correct.
11:53:20 It's strictly informational.
11:53:21 Thank you.
11:53:23 >>THOMAS SCOTT: So we have to vote on that?
11:53:26 >> Yes.
11:53:27 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Schedule it, yes.
11:53:28 >>THOMAS SCOTT: All in favor let it be known by Aye.
11:53:30 Opposed same sign.
11:53:35 >>MARY MULHERN: I just want to suggest, Linda, that
11:53:37 you publicize at this conference.
11:53:39 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Exactly.
11:53:41 That's why I wanted to nail this down so I can share
11:53:44 that.
11:53:45 People are really interested.

11:53:47 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Is that it?
11:53:50 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Yes.
11:53:51 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Let me just bring up a couple things.
11:53:53 One is some information.
11:53:57 Other I want to agenda in the future.
11:53:58 One is I would like the agenda in May, a workshop to
11:54:02 discuss our agenda.
11:54:04 And the reason why I want to do that is because I
11:54:07 firmly believe we need to take a look at it and make
11:54:10 some adjustments so that we can make it a little bit
11:54:14 more concise and work on having time certain, and that
11:54:20 we pull items, put them at a time so staff will know
11:54:23 what time to be here.
11:54:25 For instance, if you pull something, that we need to
11:54:27 set that for 11:00.
11:54:28 It will be 11:00 on our agenda so the staff will know
11:54:31 to be here.
11:54:31 And we won't have people sitting here from 9:00 in the
11:54:35 morning to 2:30 in the afternoon.
11:54:37 Also to talk about putting appeals once a month in the
11:54:40 afternoon at 1:30, something like that, so a little
11:54:43 bit more concise, a little more construction, so that

11:54:46 we can kind of streamline some things and help move
11:54:49 the process along.
11:54:50 I want to do that as a workshop, so we all have input.
11:54:54 >>MARY MULHERN: I'll make that motion.
11:54:56 Do you have a date?
11:54:59 >> The workshop in May.
11:55:04 >>MARTIN SHELBY: You have two workshops.
11:55:07 (off microphone)
11:55:10 Residential parking area, West Tampa, and Soho.
11:55:13 Also at 10:00.
11:55:15 It's on street parking with Platt Street, Swann
11:55:19 Avenue.
11:55:22 >>THOMAS SCOTT: 2:30.
11:55:24 >>MARY MULHERN: Wait, those two things sort of go
11:55:26 together.
11:55:27 Parking.
11:55:28 Let's keep those together.
11:55:35 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I second.
11:55:36 Thank you.
11:55:37 The question is -- I think we can definitely tweak it
11:55:40 but my question is, Mr. Chairman, would you rather do
11:55:42 that in a regular work session or would you rather do

11:55:46 that as part of the strategic planning retreat?
11:55:52 >> I believe do it as a workshop and then for your
11:55:54 retreat do something more substantive in my opinion.
11:55:59 The agenda, we can take about 30, 45 minutes.
11:56:02 I'll bring something already prepared and have your
11:56:04 input and we can take a look at it.
11:56:06 >> May we also address commendations?
11:56:09 >>THOMAS SCOTT: All of that, too. I have that all be
11:56:11 part of the agenda process.
11:56:13 Okay.
11:56:13 Yes.
11:56:14 >>MARY MULHERN: Actually we can discuss this at the
11:56:16 meeting but I want to say it now so maybe someone will
11:56:20 remember if I forget.
11:56:21 The appeal hearings, how you are talking about having
11:56:24 them at 1:30.
11:56:25 I think it might be better to have them -- I guess we
11:56:27 can't do them.
11:56:28 I think the earlier the better.
11:56:31 While we are really fresh.
11:56:32 Like I guess coming back from lunch figure we will
11:56:36 be --

11:56:37 Well, we'll talk more about it.
11:56:39 But on your regular business meeting you have a lot of
11:56:41 staff and those appeals take up all your morning.
11:56:44 That's why I want to alleviate citizens waiting all
11:56:47 morning waiting on an item and we don't get to them
11:56:50 until 2:30 in the afternoon or 1:30 and then the
11:56:53 appeal.
11:56:54 Okay.
11:56:56 The other item I want to -- I'm sorry, all in favor
11:57:01 let it be known by Aye.
11:57:03 That will be a workshop in the May agenda.
11:57:05 And we'll work on putting that together, Marty.
11:57:08 Other issue is relative to your aides.
11:57:13 Your process has been that the aides report I guess to
11:57:17 the chairman for assignments and for I guess work
11:57:23 time, time sheets, and for their leave time.
11:57:32 I want to say, I don't want to be responsible for
11:57:34 that.
11:57:34 I think that your aide works for you.
11:57:36 And if your aide needs to take leave you should be the
11:57:40 one sounding off on that and not me.
11:57:47 >>GWEN MILLER: They give to the your aide to take it

11:57:50 downstairs.
11:57:54 I haven't found anyone else --
11:57:57 It is my understanding that aides had a request and
11:58:00 then it was brought to the chairman's office, either
11:58:02 your aides sign off on --
11:58:06 >>GWEN MILLER: The council -- to me that's how they did
11:58:10 it.
11:58:13 >>THOMAS SCOTT: I don't think so.
11:58:15 >>GWEN MILLER: I know so.
11:58:18 >>THOMAS SCOTT: I'm just letting you all know.
11:58:20 >>GWEN MILLER: They brought them to her so she could
11:58:27 put them all down together.
11:58:28 >>THOMAS SCOTT: All right.
11:58:29 I think that's not quite accurate but --
11:58:32 >>GWEN MILLER: It's accurate.
11:58:36 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Here's an example right here.
11:58:39 See.
11:58:39 >> This one should be taken downstairs.
11:58:46 >>THOMAS SCOTT: But signed by the chair.
11:58:50 See what I'm saying?
11:58:52 Okay.
11:58:55 Come straighten this out.

11:58:56 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Well, we'll do it later. My point as,
11:58:57 as Chairman, I don't want the responsibility for your
11:59:05 aides.
11:59:05 Your aides don't work for me.
11:59:07 So I want that to be very clear.
11:59:10 Your aides do not work for me.
11:59:12 Only person I understand is required is I guess the
11:59:15 receptionist.
11:59:16 Is that right?
11:59:16 And my own aide, Melinda.
11:59:20 So anything else you all Ned to sign off on.
11:59:24 Also, in terms of the assignment, the evening
11:59:30 assignments, we need to talk about that as well.
11:59:35 It's Mu my understanding that in the past each aide
11:59:37 will assign the evening to be here when the board
11:59:40 meets.
11:59:42 A request now from Ms. Miller's aide to be exempt from
11:59:46 that.
11:59:46 So I want to bring that to council so you can
11:59:48 determine whether you want to move forth on that.
11:59:51 I think that's appropriate for council to determine
11:59:52 that, not the chair.

11:59:55 Now, I know the chairmen every chairman do things
11:59:59 different but there are issues for me I am going to
12:00:01 bring to this council and you are going to vote on
12:00:03 this.
12:00:03 I am not going to make a decision on other people's
12:00:06 aides and what they are doing.
12:00:07 That's not my job.
12:00:09 And I just want to be clear on that.
12:00:10 Okay?
12:00:11 So I'm bringing that to full council.
12:00:14 You tell me how you want to handle that.
12:00:19 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Mr. Chairman, I think that things
12:00:22 need to be fair.
12:00:24 And I think that things should be shared on a fair and
12:00:28 equitable way.
12:00:30 And I really feel comfortable with you as the chairman
12:00:37 making decisions about what you think is fair and
12:00:40 equitable.
12:00:40 If you want us to choose, then my motion would be that
12:00:43 everybody is treated equally.
12:00:48 >>THOMAS SCOTT: I'm just saying that I just want you
12:00:51 to be aware, again, I have a request to my office to

12:00:57 exempt one of their aides, and I feel comfortable with
12:01:00 you all making that decision.
12:01:01 Otherwise I am going to keep the schedule as it's been
12:01:04 going.
12:01:04 All right?
12:01:05 That's the only thing I'm saying.
12:01:07 So if you want to do that, you all Ned to have input
12:01:10 in that.
12:01:11 Do you understand what I'm saying?
12:01:14 All right.
12:01:17 The other issue for me also will be the assignments.
12:01:21 Most of you have submitted your assignment.
12:01:24 Those will be ready, I guess, today.
12:01:26 We already have a seating assignment.
12:01:28 And I'll try to be fair on those assignments as well
12:01:31 as the appointments.
12:01:32 So hopefully you will get those assignments and
12:01:34 appointments today.
12:01:35 And should you have any questions we can always
12:01:38 discuss them I guess in open meeting.
12:01:40 Yes.
12:01:40 >>MARY MULHERN: I just want to say something.

12:01:43 I actually like my seat.
12:01:45 Because I have the better view.
12:01:47 And I was telling Joseph that it's easier to get
12:01:51 recognized from the end. So good luck. (Laughter)
12:02:03 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: Mr. Chairman, I should have told
12:02:04 you that I'm allergic to women's cologne but I will
12:02:07 try to live it with.
12:02:08 >> I am, too. I'll leave it off on Thursdays.
12:02:09 >> So other than that, I just want you all to be aware
12:02:13 that, you know, these are items I want to bring to
12:02:16 you.
12:02:16 And I will be fair.
12:02:18 And open as much as possible. Okay.
12:02:23 Any other questions?
12:02:24 Anything else?
12:02:25 Yes.
12:02:26 Receive and file.
12:02:35 >>MARY MULHERN: At one point we were talking about
12:02:37 getting buttons so we could actually be recognized in
12:02:41 order. Are we anywhere with that?
12:02:41 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Did you want to raise that issue?
12:02:46 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: You have a schematic of something

12:02:48 that you researched.
12:02:49 Do you have that information?
12:02:50 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I don't have it with me but you had
12:02:52 asked me to look into that and I did that.
12:02:54 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: In other words, instead of going
12:02:55 like this, to get your attention, it would be a button
12:02:59 system, that the county commission has.
12:03:01 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Yes, we have it at the county. I
12:03:03 instituted it at the county when I was chairman.
12:03:05 You press the button.
12:03:06 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: Counsel has done research and he
12:03:11 has something he could bring before us.
12:03:13 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Mind you there is an expense.
12:03:14 >>THOMAS SCOTT: I was going to say, in the time of
12:03:17 budget crunch, be aware of the cost.
12:03:19 But when I was chairman of the Board of County
12:03:21 Commissioners, I had that installed so that you press
12:03:25 a button and it would automatically light up so the
12:03:27 chair would recognize you on that.
12:03:30 >>MARY MULHERN: We could get those jeopardy buttons.
12:03:35 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Motion to receive and file?
12:03:37 >> So moved.

12:03:37 >> Second.
12:03:38 >>GWEN MILLER: Okay.
12:03:39 All in favor let it be known by Aye.
12:03:42 So moved and ordered.
12:03:43 Other than that, I think that's about it.
12:03:45 And we'll see you this evening.
12:03:51 >> There is one other item.
12:03:54 I believe we discussed it yesterday at the meeting.
12:03:56 We have a request from the Boy Scouts of America for
12:04:00 solicitation on right-of-way.
12:04:01 >>THOMAS SCOTT: That's going to be this evening,
12:04:03 though.
12:04:04 Does it come through this morning?
12:04:05 Okay, we can take that up then.
12:04:06 >>GWEN MILLER: I make a motion.
12:04:12 >> Second.
12:04:13 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Moved and seconded.
12:04:15 Let it be known by Aye.
12:04:16 So moved and ordered.
12:04:18 Thanks so much for that.
12:04:20 >>MARTIN SHELBY: 5:01, Mr. Chair.
12:04:23 5:01.

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