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Tampa City Council
Thursday, May 1, 2008
9:00 a.m. Session

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09:06:51 [Sounding gavel]
09:06:52 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Good morning.
09:06:58 Tampa City Council meeting will now come to order.
09:07:00 And we will have our invocation by our clerk, Mrs.
09:07:05 Shirley Foxx-Knowles.
09:07:08 Afterwards we will have the pledge of allegiance.
09:07:10 Please rise for the invocation and the pledge.
09:07:14 >>SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES: Good morning, council.
09:07:16 Let us pray.
09:07:18 O Lord our Lord, how excellent is Thy name in all the

09:07:22 earth.
09:07:23 I will praise Thee, O Lord, with all Thy heart.
09:07:27 I will be glad and rejoice in Thee.
09:07:29 Gracious father, this is the day that you have made.
09:07:32 Let us rejoice and be glad in it.
09:07:34 We celebrate this new day in this beautiful place.
09:07:38 We are gathered here to once again give you thanks for
09:07:41 your grace and your mercy.
09:07:44 We thank you for your many wonderful blessings.
09:07:47 We thank you for this May Day in our fair city.
09:07:52 We thank you for this beginning of a brand new month,
09:07:56 and the many wonderful things that it will bring.
09:07:59 Father, we are so grateful for the opportunity to
09:08:02 serve you and to be of service, because you have
09:08:07 blessed us, we must be a blessing to others.
09:08:10 Continue to provide our council members with the
09:08:14 necessary gift of wisdom for the decisions they must
09:08:17 make today.
09:08:19 Continue to make them instruments of your will.
09:08:23 Also, provide the gift of understanding to those who
09:08:26 will come before this council.
09:08:29 And now, O Lord, as we go about the worldly matters of

09:08:33 this city, let us again remember to be kind and
09:08:37 understanding of each other.
09:08:39 Bless us with patience, peace, your grace, and your
09:08:44 mercy.
09:08:45 These things we ask with grateful hearts.
09:08:48 Let us all say amen.
09:08:54 (Pledge of Allegiance)
09:09:05 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you, Ms. Knolls, for a wonderful
09:09:17 blessing.
09:09:18 Today is the national day of prayer so I encourage
09:09:20 those that want to even go across the street, I
09:09:23 believe, in the park where they will have it going on
09:09:26 almost all day.
09:09:27 Also I would like to say that councilman John
09:09:29 Dingfelder will not be with us today.
09:09:31 He is attending a funeral, I believe, of his
09:09:33 mother-in-law.
09:09:34 So I would ask as you go through the day remember he
09:09:39 and his family in a moment of silence.
09:09:42 Thank you very much.
09:09:42 Roll call.
09:09:44 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Here.

09:09:46 >>GWEN MILLER: Here.
09:09:48 >>MARY MULHERN: Here.
09:09:49 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: Here.
09:09:51 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Here.
09:09:52 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Here.
09:09:52 >>THOMAS SCOTT: I yield to the honorable Gwen Miller.
09:10:31 Good morning again, colleagues.
09:10:40 It's my pleasure today to introduce to us our
09:10:44 firefighter of the quarter, captain Gregory reed.
09:10:52 I am going to ask the captain to give you the good
09:10:55 things what he has done telling you why he receives
09:11:00 this award.
09:11:01 >> It is truly a great honor for me to be here on
09:11:04 behalf of chief Jones and the rest of Tampa Fire
09:11:05 Rescue to recognize captain reed for his
09:11:09 accomplishments.
09:11:10 And I'll read what was presented in regards to his
09:11:13 accomplishments throughout the year.
09:11:15 But there was one particular incident that really put
09:11:18 him above others.
09:11:20 Captain reed is being involved with many aspects of
09:11:23 the Tampa Fire Rescue.

09:11:25 With him is his father who is actually a chief a long
09:11:29 time ago, retired, as well as the rest of his family.
09:11:32 His duties as fire captain in the Robles Park station
09:11:37 5 over there.
09:11:39 He is on the on the personal interview board where
09:11:44 they personally interview all the candidates that
09:11:46 would like to be part of Tampa Fire Rescue and make a
09:11:48 recommendation to the fire chief.
09:11:51 He is also part of our training academy where he
09:11:53 trains all the individual firefighters throughout
09:11:55 their career in all skills that they need for the
09:11:57 upcoming years.
09:11:59 The incident that occurred, what's proud about it for
09:12:03 me is -- what I'm proud about is I was there and I was
09:12:08 able to receive a lot of compliments.
09:12:12 But there was a case in Orlando.
09:12:14 While at their hotel captain reed heard his wife's cry
09:12:18 for help.
09:12:19 He ran to the pool area and found a 3-year-old girl
09:12:21 had been pulled from the water.
09:12:23 She was unconscious, and there was questionable life
09:12:26 status on her.

09:12:27 Captain reed quickly took control of the situation and
09:12:29 began breathing for the young girl.
09:12:33 Within a few minutes the child was breathing on her
09:12:35 own and captain reed stayed with her until local
09:12:37 paramedics could assist with additional remedy and
09:12:40 take her to the hospital.
09:12:43 Because of that, again, we rarely get a chance, even
09:12:47 though we try to be as quick as we can on calls within
09:12:50 the Tampa area, we rarely get a chance to be there in
09:12:53 the initial stages and the outcome of this station
09:12:56 directly depend on the lack of time between the time
09:12:59 of the incident and by the time we get there in that
09:13:05 case.
09:13:06 The child was able to have a full recovery, and for
09:13:09 that we are glad to recognize him as firefighter of
09:13:17 the quarter.
09:13:19 [ Applause ]
09:13:20 >>GWEN MILLER: City Council would also like to give
09:13:27 you a commendation, all the good things you have done.
09:13:30 I won't read it.
09:13:31 I will just present it.
09:13:34 At this time we have some from the private sector that

09:13:37 would like to honor you, too.
09:13:39 >> Danny Lewis from Bill Currie Ford.
09:13:45 Happy to be here today on behalf of Bill Currie Ford
09:13:50 recognizing your selection and perhaps we will see you
09:13:52 on the street.
09:13:53 I'm here today with some increased enthusiasm.
09:13:55 Back in February, I was at home having severe chest
09:14:03 pains and the advanced life support system showed up
09:14:05 at my house, gave me instant relieve, 20 minutes
09:14:09 later --
09:14:21 >> Steve Stickley representing Stepps towing service.
09:14:31 On behalf of Jim and Judy Stepp and Stepp's towing
09:14:36 service we appreciate the things you do out there, and
09:14:41 in the situation, that young child.
09:14:43 We would like to present this statute to -- this
09:14:48 statue to you.
09:14:50 [ Applause ]
09:14:50 >> Tom Wagner from Florida Aquarium.
09:14:59 On behalf of the Florida Aquarium, congratulations and
09:15:01 thank you for everything you do for us in the
09:15:03 community.
09:15:05 I myself have a two-year-old so it's a pleasure you

09:15:07 are out there saving lives.
09:15:10 Here is a family four membership annual pass to the
09:15:13 Florida Aquarium.
09:15:15 Please use it all year long.
09:15:18 [ Applause ]
09:15:30 >> On behalf of Tampa Lowry zoo we would like to thank
09:15:37 you and invite you to the zoo.
09:15:41 Thank you.
09:15:42 [ Applause ]
09:15:43 >>STEVE MICHELINI: What we have is not a vacation but
09:15:50 you can enjoy yourself in Tampa.
09:15:54 On behalf of Bern's steak house we would like to
09:15:58 provide you with a $100 gift certificate, on behalf of
09:16:05 Bryn Allen studios, you can go and enjoy a portrait
09:16:11 for you and the family.
09:16:13 And on behalf of TUSCAN, we have this red firefighter
09:16:19 T-shirt for you so you can work out in that.
09:16:22 After you eat, work it off.
09:16:27 On behalf of the Hillsborough towing association we
09:16:29 have a choice for you of Carabbas or Outback
09:16:34 steakhouse.
09:16:34 The letters are in here, certificates in here.

09:16:39 Thank you very much.
09:16:39 [ Applause ]
09:16:48 >>GWEN MILLER: Captain reed.
09:16:50 >> Thank you very much from the council and all the
09:16:53 gifts.
09:16:53 I just have to say one thing real quick.
09:16:55 My an verse is May 5th.
09:16:58 And I know where we are going for dinner!
09:17:05 Steak house looks good.
09:17:07 I'm truly thankful for the award.
09:17:10 I don't think I'm necessarily deserving.
09:17:12 I look around the room and everybody in this uniform,
09:17:14 I know if put in the same situation would certainly
09:17:17 act the same way.
09:17:21 When somebody is in trouble, to try to help out and do
09:17:24 the best we can, and that's what we do, 24 hours, we
09:17:28 try to help out.
09:17:30 And especially with my wife screaming at me I had to
09:17:33 run.
09:17:37 She tells me she's never seen me run so fast.
09:17:40 She says you exercise at home but you never exercise
09:17:43 that fast, dad.

09:17:44 I would just like to say thank you very much.
09:17:49 [ Applause ]
09:17:56 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I believe the parents are here, of
09:17:58 the firefighter of the quarter.
09:18:00 Is that what I recognize?
09:18:01 I would like for them to stand up and be recognized.
09:18:04 >> Yes, my mom and dad are here.
09:18:06 And he served as 20 years on the Tampa Fire Rescue,
09:18:10 retired after 20 years as a mechanic.
09:18:12 And my mom.
09:18:14 [ Applause ]
09:18:14 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you.
09:18:19 Again, congratulations on behalf of City Council.
09:18:24 Mr. Shelby, do you want to review the agenda?
09:18:35 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Yes.
09:18:36 Good morning.
09:18:37 With regard to item number 2, the presentation of
09:18:40 commendation honoring Curtis Lane, I believe there is
09:18:43 a request that that be continued to May 15th of
09:18:49 2008.
09:18:55 >> So moved.
09:18:59 >>THOMAS SCOTT: We may want to wait.

09:19:00 >>MARTIN SHELBY: With regards to 69 and 96 there are
09:19:05 substitute ordinance that is have been submitted to
09:19:07 the clerk, so at the time please acknowledge that.
09:19:10 With regard to items 68 and 81, there will be requests
09:19:16 at that time to continue them
09:19:20 Items 91 through 99 are time certain.
09:19:23 We can take those up at that time.
09:19:26 With regard to item 76 and 78 which are presentations
09:19:31 of applicants expressing interest in service to
09:19:38 volunteer boards there's a request to set those
09:19:40 presentations to be heard at 10 a.m. time certain, if
09:19:43 council wishes to do so.
09:19:46 A remind theory recess for lunch today will be at
09:19:50 11:30 a.m. instead of the usual noon.
09:19:54 Reconvene at 1:30 p.m
09:19:56 Council, there are several items that have been
09:19:58 suggested from the consent docket to be removed for
09:20:01 separate discussion.
09:20:02 The first is from Chairman Scott regarding item 4
09:20:11 creating affordable housing.
09:20:13 Item 54 regarding Florida street widening project,
09:20:19 also 40th Street.

09:20:21 Item 64 and 67 which are resolutions setting a hearing
09:20:25 for wet zoning.
09:20:27 Chairman Scott has a suggestion to take it up at that
09:20:31 time.
09:20:34 Perhaps Chairman Scott can change the time of those
09:20:37 acknowledging the reality of the situation that day.
09:20:39 Council, other than that, I don't believe there is
09:20:41 anything else that I am aware of, Mr. Chairman, at
09:20:45 this time.
09:20:48 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Chairman Scott, item number 80, we
09:20:51 have two directors, I believe Mr. Met Taaffe and Mr.
09:20:55 Brad Baird, one from wastewater department, one from
09:20:58 water department, a long with Sal Territo.
09:21:00 I don't know if we can move that up so they can go
09:21:02 back to work and do their due diligence for the
09:21:05 taxpayers in a proper manner.
09:21:07 But once we finish with the morning part if we can
09:21:09 bring them up I would appreciate it.
09:21:11 >>THOMAS SCOTT: That's item 80.
09:21:15 Okay.
09:21:16 Any other changes?
09:21:24 >> Move to adopt the changes.

09:21:26 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Moved by councilman Saul-Sena,
09:21:33 seconded by councilman Miranda.
09:21:36 So moved and ordered.
09:21:37 At this time we will hear from the public.
09:21:40 As you come forth, you have three minutes.
09:21:43 State your name and address for the record.
09:21:45 State your name and address for the record, please.
09:21:47 You have three minutes.
09:21:49 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Did you wish to take those items that
09:21:50 appear on the agenda first?
09:21:54 However you wish to proceed.
09:21:58 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Well, we are going to move public
09:21:59 comment, and then we'll move according to those items
09:22:02 on the agenda.
09:22:02 >>> Are you taking items on the agenda at this time?
09:22:15 >> No, public comment.
09:22:18 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: That are not set for public
09:22:19 hearing.
09:22:20 >>> Not a public hearing?
09:22:21 There's an item 66 which is to set a public hearing.
09:22:25 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Okay.
09:22:33 >>> Joseph Diaz, 2522 West Kennedy Boulevard.

09:22:38 Mr. Chairman, I filed that application WZ 08-108.
09:22:42 When I filed that application I was given attentive
09:22:45 date of June 19th.
09:22:49 Based on that, I made arrangements to go out of the
09:22:51 country starting June 20th and I do not return
09:22:54 until June 28th.
09:22:57 You are setting this matter for June 26.
09:23:00 If I set it, I'll tell you I have to set a request for
09:23:04 a continuance because I am going to be out of the
09:23:06 country.
09:23:06 Then, unfortunately, you all are off July 3rd and
09:23:09 July 10th for vacation which means it couldn't be
09:23:12 heard until July 17th, which is almost a month
09:23:16 after it was initially scheduled.
09:23:17 So what I am here to ask council is, can you please
09:23:20 schedule this for June the 5th?
09:23:24 That would give enough time to meet my 30-day notice
09:23:27 requirement.
09:23:27 >>MARTIN SHELBY: You will have enough time to
09:23:31 advertise, correct?
09:23:32 That shouldn't be a problem.
09:23:33 >>THOMAS SCOTT: And I want to suggest, we can do that

09:23:37 June 5th, also, part of my suggestion today,
09:23:39 council, was that these wet zonings we move until the
09:23:42 1:30 time slot because setting them at 10 a.m. and
09:23:46 realistically they are coming back after lunch before
09:23:48 we can deal with them and that saves the people
09:23:51 sitting here all morning so that was part of our
09:23:53 suggestion.
09:23:54 So we are going to set it for the 5th.
09:23:56 You can set it for 1:30 as well.
09:24:00 So we need a motion.
09:24:04 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I make that motion right now,
09:24:05 Mr. Chairman.
09:24:05 >> It's been moved and seconded.
09:24:19 >>STEVE MICHELINI: Suggesting that also be set for
09:24:23 June 5th.
09:24:24 1:30 would be wonderful.
09:24:26 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion to set 67 for June
09:24:29 5th at 1:30.
09:24:31 >> Second.
09:24:32 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Moved by councilman Miranda, seconded
09:24:35 by Mulhern.
09:24:38 So moved and ordered.

09:24:39 >> Thank you very much.
09:24:45 >> I wanted to know if I could speak on items 12 and
09:24:52 21.
09:24:52 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Anyone who desires to speak to
09:24:55 council, this is your opportunity to do that.
09:24:57 We take comments, personal items that are agendaed.
09:25:02 Yes, you can do that now.
09:25:04 This is public comment time.
09:25:06 >> Ellie Montague.
09:25:08 I appreciate the opportunity to speak.
09:25:09 I wanted to speak on items 12 and 21.
09:25:17 Finally after 35 years of working on it.
09:25:24 Lake Kipling marsh partially cleaned up and I am glad
09:25:27 to see that.
09:25:28 I hope it doesn't take that long for us to be able to
09:25:31 get straightened out with that 1.3 million of the
09:25:35 estuaries and not used for something else.
09:25:42 Lake Kipling is an estuary, it's not a lake.
09:25:45 It's the end of the line.
09:25:47 And it's in need of clean-up for many, many years,
09:25:51 including 950,000 gallons of overflow from the pump
09:25:58 station over a period of many years that that's been

09:26:04 going on, too, that one big 950,000 was unbelievable.
09:26:09 We had dead fish over and over so many times.
09:26:13 And this is a connector to a creek, we hope one day
09:26:19 you will clean that out with that 1.3 million it was
09:26:22 meant for, sought for, and we hope that money doesn't
09:26:25 go to waste.
09:26:26 It's been four years and it's still sitting with EPA.
09:26:32 So I hope you will remember that Lake Kipling is the
09:26:36 park at one time I counted 43 children playing.
09:26:40 There was 15 children swam in it, boated.
09:26:43 It was a fabulous place.
09:26:45 I have to tell you a funny story of two men jumping
09:26:48 out of the car, and I said it's not March a Wan, a I
09:26:59 think you are smelling Lake Kipling.
09:27:01 I don't know what marijuana smells like.
09:27:04 But thank you.
09:27:05 I'm very grateful and I hope their work will continue
09:27:09 because those that prevented these measures, there's a
09:27:13 lot more work to be done in the creek and in Dundee.
09:27:18 It's not a lake but it's all mucked in.
09:27:24 So I hope you will help us continue with that.
09:27:27 Thank you very much.

09:27:32 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you.
09:27:33 Anyone else want to address council?
09:27:35 Anyone else want to address council on items on the
09:27:37 agenda or items that are not on the agenda?
09:27:39 This is your time.
09:27:43 It's public comment time.
09:27:49 >> Not set for public hearing.
09:27:52 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Let me make sure you understand.
09:27:53 This is public comment.
09:27:55 If you want to say anything to council, this is your
09:27:58 time to do it now, that's not set for public hearing.
09:28:02 You can address council.
09:28:03 This is your time.
09:28:09 Item 79?
09:28:10 That is not a public hearing.
09:28:12 So you may address us at this time now.
09:28:16 >> Thank you.
09:28:17 Good morning, ladies and gentlemen.
09:28:19 I appreciate the privilege that I can be here.
09:28:28 I am going to go quickly, if you need me to go back up
09:28:33 and give you any facts --
09:28:36 >> State your name for the record.

09:28:37 >> Name and address?
09:28:39 Alan Martin, 2914 Aquilla street, Tampa, 33629.
09:28:46 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you.
09:28:48 >>> February 1st, I go to Verizon wireless, Swann
09:28:52 and Dale Mabry, and signing up for a new plan.
09:28:57 I have been doing business with them eleven years.
09:29:02 I'm with Verizon land line.
09:29:04 They were taken over from GTE for over 30 years.
09:29:10 Overall they have been pretty good but something has
09:29:12 happened as you are very much aware of recently.
09:29:15 I go in and I change my plan.
09:29:16 I go from so many minutes a month wireless down to
09:29:20 less in minutes.
09:29:21 I increase the program for the land line.
09:29:24 And I also have DSL with them.
09:29:27 They give me a prison February 1st, that's a
09:29:30 Friday evening.
09:29:31 And I told the young man that was working, his name is
09:29:34 JULES, that the price can't be right.
09:29:37 He said it's right.
09:29:38 I said, okay.
09:29:39 And I sat down.

09:29:40 I feel myself getting hot.
09:29:42 Numbers don't match.
09:29:43 It was less than it should be.
09:29:45 He said, well, come back tomorrow, Saturday.
09:29:48 Because it was already 9:13.
09:29:51 I come back the next day, Saturday the 2nd, then
09:29:54 I'm told they get the information because the main
09:29:58 office is closed, only open during the week.
09:30:03 I go back Monday.
09:30:04 I go back Monday.
09:30:07 Confirm the price is right.
09:30:08 It's bundled so I am get act special rate and what
09:30:10 have you?
09:30:11 It made noon sense to me.
09:30:13 Was paying around $94 a month.
09:30:16 When I changed, it was only lowered -- I would say $5.
09:30:21 It looked like about $3 difference.
09:30:23 And he wanted to charge me $70.
09:30:26 So you know there's unanticipated problems.
09:30:31 Okay, that's it, I get my first bill.
09:30:33 And the bill is dated the 10th of the month.
09:30:36 February 10th I get my first bill.

09:30:38 And that is for 118.65.
09:30:47 Well, I know that's wrong because on the old plan it's
09:30:50 94-something.
09:30:51 So now I go to get it corrected.
09:30:53 I go to 111 south Dale Mabry, the land line, and I'm
09:30:58 not sure the man's name, I think Glen.
09:31:02 And he works very cooperative, works with me, calls,
09:31:05 and I have his name on my statement.
09:31:11 So I might sound emotional but this is factual.
09:31:15 He calls in over a half an hour.
09:31:18 He says it looks like you are going to be billed 91.01
09:31:23 monthly.
09:31:24 Okay.
09:31:26 Leave.
09:31:26 Next month comes in.
09:31:27 March 10th.
09:31:34 183-something.
09:31:38 I have the statements.
09:31:39 So now I go back to 111 south Dale Mabry, the land
09:31:44 line place.
09:31:44 I walked in.
09:31:46 And a man named victor.

09:31:51 I says I got a problem here.
09:31:52 I thought it was taken -- but it wasn't.
09:31:55 (Bell sounds).
09:31:56 He says, well, I said --
09:32:00 You have to wrap it up, sir.
09:32:01 >> He said he wouldn't call, he says this is a sales
09:32:05 store, he says he will take any payments I want but he
09:32:07 wouldn't help me.
09:32:09 His name is victor.
09:32:10 I go to the wireless place on Swann.
09:32:13 They help me.
09:32:14 They work with me a long time.
09:32:15 Over an hour.
09:32:16 I talk to somebody on the phone.
09:32:18 Tony.
09:32:19 He said call the supervisor.
09:32:20 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you, sir.
09:32:22 >>> Okay, Kuwait.
09:32:24 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you, sir.
09:32:26 I given an extra minute so we need to move along.
09:32:28 >>> Okay.
09:32:30 In five weeks I haven't heard from anybody and I got

09:32:33 my last bill 200-something.
09:32:35 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you.
09:32:35 Next speaker.
09:32:38 >>SAL TERRITO: Let me give you an idea of what it is
09:32:41 that you have some control over with this.
09:32:44 It's the television portion that we have some say in.
09:32:47 We don't have any say in the telephone or in the
09:32:50 Internet portion nor do we have any control of the
09:32:53 billing.
09:32:53 I'm not trying to cut anybody off.
09:32:55 Anybody with anything to say should be able to say it
09:32:59 but the only thing you have control over is the TV
09:33:02 portion of Verizon service.
09:33:03 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Okay.
09:33:04 Thank you.
09:33:07 Anyone else?
09:33:09 Anyone else?
09:33:09 >> My name is white.
09:33:19 Ed white.
09:33:20 I'm 79 years old.
09:33:23 I'm a registered voter.
09:33:25 I live in Mr. Caetano's district.

09:33:30 I want to compliment you for great coffee at your java
09:33:36 place.
09:33:36 I have enjoyed it.
09:33:40 I can only echo the complaints that have been in the
09:33:46 Tampa Tribune.
09:33:47 And I have personally been abused by the -- let's call
09:33:52 it service department, the lack of service department,
09:33:57 by the retention department, and by the quality
09:34:00 department, whatever the hell that is.
09:34:06 But that's really not what bothers me.
09:34:11 And trying to convince me that the leopard can change
09:34:14 its spots, I got a letter last week, you probably got
09:34:17 one, too, if you are a FiOS user, and it says that I'm
09:34:21 getting a personal account manager who is going to
09:34:25 call me and tell me his or her phone number and web
09:34:30 site.
09:34:32 Excuse me, e-mail address.
09:34:35 I did get a telephone call.
09:34:36 Somebody named Bobby.
09:34:47 Tuesday, got his cell phone number.
09:34:49 Didn't leave an e-mail address.
09:34:51 But I don't really care about any of that.

09:34:56 I have had my bills up and down like a yo-yo just like
09:34:59 the last gentleman and everybody else that's reported
09:35:02 in the newspapers.
09:35:04 But you heard that.
09:35:06 What really bothers me is this insignificant little
09:35:12 fly speck of a lousy telephone company is staining the
09:35:16 image and reputation. City of Tampa, the City
09:35:21 Council, the mayor, and me.
09:35:23 And that's what bothers me.
09:35:26 And I don't know what you can do to make the leopard
09:35:31 change its spots but I sure hope you are going to try.
09:35:36 I'm sorry the mayor isn't here.
09:35:37 I love you.
09:35:38 I watch you on the television all the time.
09:35:41 I really love you.
09:35:42 I love the mayor.
09:35:45 I read about her in the newspaper, and I see her on
09:35:48 the television, and I like her show, I like all the
09:35:53 things she does.
09:35:54 And I hope I get a chance to talk to her personally.
09:35:57 Is it possible to make an appointment with her?
09:36:01 Can somebody help with that?

09:36:11 >> I got a whole lot of things I would like to tell
09:36:14 her about that I would like to help.
09:36:15 Here is what bothers me.
09:36:17 Look, I belong to a group that is engaged in bringing
09:36:24 computer literacy.
09:36:25 What that means is teach them how to use e-mail and
09:36:28 how to web surf to elderly people, senior citizens,
09:36:32 old people like me.
09:36:36 And these newspaper stories have apparently freed them
09:36:40 up where they are willing to talk and they are all
09:36:43 registered voters.
09:36:47 (Bell sounds).
09:36:49 Boy, they don't like Verizon at all.
09:36:50 Some of them have been abused by Verizon.
09:36:52 The rest of them write about it and say, gee, boy, was
09:36:56 I lucky that didn't happen to me.
09:36:57 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Okay.
09:36:59 Thank you, Mr. White.
09:37:00 >>> I hear this over and over time.
09:37:03 Am I out of town?
09:37:04 >> Yes, your time is up.

09:37:05 >>> Thank you.
09:37:06 And I would appreciate some help.
09:37:08 I would like to say all this to the mayor.
09:37:10 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: Mr. Chairman, a few months ago
09:37:14 Verizon called me and said they are going to hook up
09:37:16 the new system they have in my house.
09:37:19 And the guy knocks on my door and I'm getting dressed
09:37:22 in the morning.
09:37:22 He wants to run wires through my house.
09:37:24 I said, look, I'm busy, I have got to get downtown, I
09:37:27 can't do it today.
09:37:28 I must have had ten calls in the last month.
09:37:31 In fact they already said they are charging me for
09:37:34 this service that I don't have.
09:37:36 And I told the lady that yesterday.
09:37:38 I said I'm being charged for this already.
09:37:40 She says, well, I'm in a different department.
09:37:42 I says, well, check with the department that does the
09:37:45 billing.
09:37:45 And they have been billing me for this FiOS, whatever
09:37:48 they call it.
09:37:49 And I don't have it.

09:37:50 Okay.
09:37:50 The wire is out in the ground.
09:37:53 They dug up my grass.
09:37:54 My grass is dying where they dug it up.
09:37:57 But anyway, it's a mess.
09:37:59 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Anyone else from the public?
09:38:01 Thank you, councilman.
09:38:03 Then we'll move to our agenda then, no one else here
09:38:06 for public comment.
09:38:07 Council, I pulled item 4.
09:38:11 Ms. Miller, you want to address that, the whole issue
09:38:14 of the ship program.
09:38:21 >>CINDY MILLER: Growth development services.
09:38:28 I would like to present some additional information
09:38:29 for item 4 which is an ordinance being presented for
09:38:32 first reading to establish an affordable housing
09:38:37 advisory committee.
09:38:39 This committee was established last year by the
09:38:44 legislature.
09:38:45 Basically, we need to establish with the city an
09:38:48 eleven-member committee.
09:38:52 This committee will be 11 members, would be

09:39:04 established cooperatively by the mayor and City
09:39:09 Council, and it has a number of attributes that each
09:39:12 committee member, advisory committee member would have
09:39:16 to have.
09:39:16 And if I could use the Elmo or the wolf to show some
09:39:22 of that information.
09:39:24 It would require that one member be involved actively
09:39:32 in the residential home building industry in
09:39:34 connection with affordable housing, that the banking
09:39:40 industry again in connection with affordable housing,
09:39:42 representative of labor, actively involved in home
09:39:49 building in connection with affordable housing, a
09:40:00 person who is -- there we go -- a person who is an
09:40:07 advocate for low income in connection with affordable
09:40:12 housing, a for-profit provider, a not-for-profit
09:40:16 provider, and a role estate professional.
09:40:18 And I only have one more slide.
09:40:22 Another person who is actively serving on the local
09:40:29 planning agency, and a citizen who resides within the
09:40:33 city of limits, no particular occupation or
09:40:36 professional affiliation.
09:40:38 A person who represents employers within the City of

09:40:39 Tampa.
09:40:41 And then a person who represents essential services
09:40:43 personnel as defined in the local housing assistance
09:40:47 plan.
09:40:47 So basically that is a summary of the eleven members
09:40:50 that would be appointed.
09:40:56 For the public information, all eleven members would
09:40:58 have to be residents of the City of Tampa.
09:41:01 Application would need to be made through the city
09:41:04 clerk's office.
09:41:06 And what I would encourage those members of the public
09:41:10 that are interested in participating is to please
09:41:15 start filling out the application, because basically
09:41:17 the time lane for this to have this ordinance read
09:41:22 today, be back in two weeks with the second reading.
09:41:27 To have the appointments made by the mayor and City
09:41:29 Council during the month of June, so that we can start
09:41:32 meetings almost immediately.
09:41:34 The immediate task for this committee is a six-month
09:41:37 task.
09:41:38 It is to meet from June through about November, and
09:41:42 then be able to present their recommendations to the

09:41:45 City Council as to how we should make any changes or
09:41:49 modifications to our housing plan that we submitted to
09:41:53 the state.
09:41:54 The reason this is very important -- I'm sorry I
09:41:56 didn't bring the full dollar volume but we receive
09:42:00 millions of dollars from the State of Florida for our
09:42:02 affordable housing program and in order to get those
09:42:04 dollars in the future this process needs to be
09:42:06 accomplished.
09:42:07 For those that are interested in applying, there are
09:42:09 applications available through the city's web site,
09:42:12, clerk on city clerk's office, click on
09:42:18 "apply now" and you can download an application.
09:42:23 Or those applications are available through the
09:42:25 clerk's office.
09:42:26 If you have any questions I would be happy to address
09:42:28 them.
09:42:29 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I appreciate you bringing this to
09:42:32 us.
09:42:32 It's easier for the mayor to make her appointments
09:42:34 than for us to.
09:42:35 So if she could do it as expeditiously as possible, it

09:42:38 wasn't clear to me on the list of professional
09:42:42 background which one the mayor select and which one
09:42:45 council select.
09:42:45 If she could get hers done then when could advertise
09:42:48 for the other positions and I would assume,
09:42:50 Mr. Chairman, we would do it in a similar fashion that
09:42:52 we do the Planning Commission.
09:42:53 We select people.
09:42:54 We get the resume.
09:42:55 Have people speak to us for two minutes and vote
09:42:59 amongst the people who apply.
09:43:00 >>CINDY MILLER: For the appointment of members what we
09:43:04 have included in the ordinance is that City Council's
09:43:05 appointments will include one citizen who is actively
09:43:08 engaged in real estate, one who actively serves on the
09:43:11 local planning agency, one who resides within city
09:43:15 limits, and a citizen who represents essential
09:43:18 services personnel, can be police, fire, teachers,
09:43:24 other folks within the city.
09:43:24 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: The other component is I understand
09:43:28 this will be a sunshine committee and that the people
09:43:32 can't have any contracts with the city so those are

09:43:34 important to know.
09:43:35 Could somebody be retired, for example?
09:43:38 Or do they have to be actively?
09:43:40 >>CINDY MILLER: For the standpoint of those that say
09:43:43 actively engaged they have to be currently actively
09:43:45 working.
09:43:46 However, when it comes to citizens, the appointments,
09:43:49 they just have to be city resident or someone who
09:43:52 otherwise would not require active current employment.
09:44:00 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Councilman Mulhern.
09:44:02 >>MARY MULHERN: My question was, you said this was a
09:44:05 six-month program, and it's written up.
09:44:09 Is this an ongoing every year we have to do this?
09:44:15 >>CINDY MILLER: It will need to be done periodically
09:44:17 as we update the plan that goes to the state.
09:44:19 State statute only requires a six-month time period.
09:44:22 However it is encouraged that there be ongoing
09:44:24 communication and participation by the committee.
09:44:27 But our key concern right now is getting the six-month
09:44:30 window accomplished so that we've our funding in place
09:44:32 next year.
09:44:33 >>MARY MULHERN: But you don't know if we are going to

09:44:36 be having to do this now every year?
09:44:38 >>CINDY MILLER: What I would basically suggest is that
09:44:40 we communicate between council and the administration
09:44:44 as to how we all feel about that.
09:44:45 We will have to do it periodically.
09:44:47 But whether it would have to be ongoing or with
09:44:50 changes in the future, I think that would be a good
09:44:52 thing to do in December when the report is issued to
09:44:54 you.
09:44:55 >>MARY MULHERN: As we are advertising and recruiting
09:44:58 people we are just sending for the six months?
09:45:02 >>> For six month at this point.
09:45:04 >>MARY MULHERN: And I'm sure we can give you ideas and
09:45:06 you can give us ideas from the administration that
09:45:10 people -- it looks like it's going to be he is I to
09:45:16 find all these people that quickly.
09:45:17 >>> Absolutely.
09:45:18 I believe with the council, advertising that we are
09:45:21 trying to get this information out, we will certainly
09:45:24 work but any application that is might come to our
09:45:27 office, of course we'll share.
09:45:28 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you very much.

09:45:33 I know there's some other changes over department of
09:45:42 housing.
09:45:45 Maybe you want to address, not this morning because
09:45:47 our time is constrained, but share with council some
09:45:50 of the changes you made there as well because I think
09:45:52 it is important for us, for the community to know some
09:45:55 of the positive things that are happening that are
09:45:59 very important for this community.
09:46:00 >>CINDY MILLER: I look forward to that.
09:46:03 Perhaps at a June workshop or something of that
09:46:05 nature.
09:46:05 That works with council's scheduling.
09:46:08 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you.
09:46:10 Council, I would like to now move number 80.
09:46:16 Come up.
09:46:25 And then we will need to read then ordinance.
09:46:28 >>RALPH METCALF: Director of wastewater department.
09:46:31 Both Brad Baird and I were asked to appear to provide
09:46:35 separate reports identifying ways that respective
09:46:38 departments can provide incentives regarding related
09:46:42 to their capacity or impact fees for developers that
09:46:45 use less water or discharge less sewage.

09:46:50 I'm going to speak of course to wastewater only.
09:46:53 The good news is, we already do.
09:46:56 We have a capacity fee, which is equivalent to an
09:46:59 impact fee, and it recovers the cost the department
09:47:02 has incurred previously to provide the large
09:47:05 downstream infrastructure.
09:47:07 That's for interceptors and treatment plants.
09:47:10 We have substantial bonds that are out for many, many
09:47:14 millions of dollars.
09:47:15 There's an adopted and published schedule of capacity
09:47:18 fees.
09:47:19 And this schedule encourages developers to build more
09:47:23 centrally -- more in-fill, less fall and to discharge
09:47:29 less wastewater.
09:47:30 These capacity fees are based on your location, the
09:47:33 closer you are to the plant, the less pipes in theory
09:47:38 we have to provide to get your wastewater to the
09:47:40 plant, and the less wastewater you discharge, the
09:47:45 smaller your capacity fee.
09:47:47 If a particular development charges a capacity fee
09:47:50 proportional to wastewater that can be charged to --
09:47:53 discharged to our waste system. If water does not

09:47:57 enter the sewer system, such as for cooling powers,
09:48:01 irrigation, and certain manufacturing processes, for
09:48:04 instance, Pepsi-Cola is one that springs to mind,
09:48:07 clearly they use water, much water, but a lot of it
09:48:11 goes out in cans as Pepsi.
09:48:12 So they obviously wouldn't pay for any of that.
09:48:16 Further fee credit is given for developments closer to
09:48:18 the current treatment plants, as I said, since the
09:48:21 cost to transport this water is less than that pumped
09:48:23 from the periphery of our service area.
09:48:26 These calculations begin and depend on the water and
09:48:30 wastewater requirements which comes from the
09:48:31 developers' engineer.
09:48:34 It is not uncommon for the proposed project to be
09:48:35 modified to reduce these requirements in order to
09:48:38 reduce the required fees.
09:48:40 And this has proven to be an extremely effective way
09:48:43 for us to encourage conservation while paying for the
09:48:48 large utility investments that we have made in the
09:48:50 city.
09:48:51 So it is proportional.
09:48:52 The less wastewater you discharge, the less your

09:48:56 capacity fee is.
09:48:59 And this was provided in writing, I believe, on the
09:49:02 27th for a previous meeting, but we were
09:49:08 encouraged to come in person.
09:49:10 Any questions, I will be glad to entertain them.
09:49:13 Brad Baird would like to speak to water now.
09:49:18 >>BRAD BAIRD: Water department director.
09:49:25 The water department does not assess impact fees or
09:49:27 capacity fees.
09:49:28 However, we do assess connection fees.
09:49:31 The water department connection fees are used to
09:49:35 provide for and maintain the distribution system, the
09:49:39 distribution system in the neighborhood of smaller
09:49:42 pipes, provide the water to the house, to the houses
09:49:47 and businesses.
09:49:48 Connection fees are applicable for new water service,
09:49:52 and are determined based on an estimated peak flow for
09:49:58 the property.
09:49:59 Water services are sized based on values prescribed by
09:50:04 the American water works association.
09:50:06 AWWA values are assigned to all fixtures including
09:50:12 road-type fixtures currently available to the public.

09:50:16 Since the connection fee is tied to the meter size, a
09:50:19 developer can reduce its connection fee by limiting
09:50:22 the number of fixtures and selecting low flow
09:50:26 fixtures.
09:50:27 So the number and the type of fixtures will dictate
09:50:31 the amount of flow or amount of water you need for
09:50:34 your service.
09:50:37 So, in other words, incentives are already built into
09:50:39 the fee structure.
09:50:42 The fewer fixtures you use, the less water you use,
09:50:46 the type of fixtures, they'll translate into what size
09:50:50 of service you need.
09:50:54 The other fee that the water department assesses is a
09:50:58 contribution in aid of construction, commonly known as
09:51:01 a CEAC fee.
09:51:03 The CEAC fees have been adopted to finance
09:51:06 transmission names, or the larger names necessary to
09:51:09 serve specific areas.
09:51:12 The collector fees are used towards payment of the
09:51:16 debt service on the construction bond.
09:51:19 Any reduction in fees of course would place additional
09:51:23 burden on the customers that do not benefit from that

09:51:26 transmission main.
09:51:29 And with that, unless you have any questions on the
09:51:32 water fees I'll turn it over.
09:51:34 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Mrs. Saul-Sena.
09:51:36 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Thank you.
09:51:37 We have been talking about green and sustainability.
09:51:39 And one of the components of building a green building
09:51:41 is trying to use less water.
09:51:48 Through a variety of mechanisms.
09:51:50 It seems to me this is something we want to encourage
09:51:52 because we want to put as little pressure on you to
09:51:54 provide more water for additional city residents ad as
09:51:57 possible.
09:51:57 So if somebody were to build, let's say, a green
09:52:02 multi-apartment house, and use waterless urinals and
09:52:09 use a cistern for irrigation and do a number of things
09:52:12 that would use less water in the construction and
09:52:15 long-term use of the structure, are you saying that
09:52:18 the CEAC fees would still be the same as if they used
09:52:23 traditional high-use water?
09:52:26 >>BRAD BAIRD: No.
09:52:27 Their connection fee would be considerably less.

09:52:28 The connection fee which pays for the distribution
09:52:32 system.
09:52:33 Okay.
09:52:35 The CEAC fee also has calculations based on the
09:52:43 fixtures and the amount of water you use for each
09:52:47 type, and should result in a lower fee as well.
09:52:51 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: So if a person had less impact on
09:52:55 the system, their fees would be lower.
09:52:57 >>> Correct.
09:53:00 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: And because we are moving into this
09:53:02 relatively new area of concern, have you trained your
09:53:06 staff who estimate these things to recognize the
09:53:09 distinction between like low use and no use and that
09:53:12 sort of thing?
09:53:14 >>BRAD BAIRD: Absolutely.
09:53:16 They have all the values, and pull the charts out
09:53:19 every time and calculate, and again the fewer
09:53:23 fixtures, less flow, the waterless fixtures, it's all
09:53:29 calculated in.
09:53:30 It all on that chart.
09:53:31 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Thank you very much.
09:53:32 >>BRAD BAIRD: You're welcome.

09:53:35 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Councilwoman Mulhern then councilman
09:53:39 Miranda.
09:53:40 >>MARY MULHERN: A question for you and Mr. Metcalf.
09:53:43 I think it's great what you are doing.
09:53:44 It sounds wonderful.
09:53:45 But I'm wondering if we have a way, if you are
09:53:49 measuring -- if there's measuring of the results.
09:53:54 And I guess you would have to look at water use before
09:54:01 these kind of fees were implemented.
09:54:03 I don't know at what point, if you have always been
09:54:05 doing that.
09:54:07 >>> Yes, I think long-term both water and sewer have
09:54:12 seen less water and less wastewater as the fixtures,
09:54:18 lower fixtures, the water to the plant from his plant
09:54:20 to our plant.
09:54:21 So in general, of course, that's where we would
09:54:24 measure right there at the plant.
09:54:26 And those are long-term trends.
09:54:27 But, yes, we have seen the per capita water use, and
09:54:31 wastewater loads have gone down.
09:54:33 >>MARY MULHERN: And my feeling -- and I know I thought
09:54:40 this was reclaimed water, too -- is that it got to be

09:54:44 a significant -- the better the deal you have got, the
09:54:48 more people are going to sign on.
09:54:50 So you have to make it harder to not do the no flow
09:54:59 things and use more fixtures and all that.
09:55:01 I'm just wondering if you look at -- if there's a way
09:55:04 that you could look at going forward, upping that as
09:55:08 we go along because otherwise, you know, you are just
09:55:10 going to get -- more users and in the end you won't
09:55:14 have a significant conservation happening.
09:55:17 >>RALPH METCALF: In terms of fixtures, shower
09:55:21 fixtures, water fixtures, I believe they are mandated.
09:55:24 You are having a hard time buying an 8-gallon toilet
09:55:28 anymore.
09:55:29 They are 1.6.
09:55:30 As far as -- of course size of the house.
09:55:33 We don't say whether you can have six toilets or two
09:55:36 toilets or whatever.
09:55:38 So those things are definitely mandated.
09:55:41 Reclaimed is a tougher question, because the really
09:55:48 expensive part as everybody found out was building the
09:55:50 pipes to get -- a whole separate water system to you.
09:55:55 >> But what I am talking about is using your capacity

09:55:58 fees as an incentive.
09:56:02 >>> Well, it is.
09:56:04 Right now the capacity fees are fairly substantial.
09:56:09 And we have literally had developers come in with the
09:56:14 first shot of "here is what I want to build -- take a
09:56:17 look at the capacity and really gone back and
09:56:19 sharpened their pencil in terms of what they are going
09:56:22 to build and how much water and wastewater they are
09:56:24 going to use to reduce those fees so it really does
09:56:29 work very well.
09:56:30 >>MARY MULHERN: Right.
09:56:31 All I'm saying is if you continue to look at it and
09:56:34 see ways maybe you can adjust the fees, now, to make
09:56:38 it more attractive, to do that, you know.
09:56:42 If you're getting complete compliance with using the,
09:56:45 you know, low-flow and all the kinds of appliances,
09:56:51 I'm just saying if there's any room --
09:56:54 >>RALPH METCALF: I think perhaps Mr. Territo was going
09:56:57 to speak in terms of the capacity fee, which pays for
09:57:00 existing debt.
09:57:01 He was going to speak to the legal aspects of that.
09:57:04 That might be their time to do that.

09:57:11 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: If I may.
09:57:13 Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
09:57:14 On the average daily consumptive use of the city,
09:57:20 predicated upon the use of water that goes back out or
09:57:23 that portion therefore, what is the average
09:57:25 consumptive daily use of the city and has it gone down
09:57:29 in the years even though we have had an increase in
09:57:31 population?
09:57:32 >>> The average consumption, I think the latest
09:57:38 calculation we did was 109 gallons per capita per day,
09:57:42 and I don't remember years ago where that started.
09:57:47 Somewhere in the 130 gallons.
09:57:50 We have significantly reduced our couples per capita.
09:57:54 >> So we are reducing our per capita so we are getting
09:57:59 green even though I am getting blue in the face?
09:58:01 >>> That's correct.
09:58:02 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: All right.
09:58:05 And then when you look at -- the salvation we have is
09:58:10 reclaimed, and I know I have been talking to some of
09:58:13 you gentlemen and ladies that work in those
09:58:14 departments about a master plan, and I'm sure that
09:58:17 sooner or later we'll get there.

09:58:20 And we. Done what we say we are going to do because
09:58:22 we have had litigation.
09:58:23 We brought in the present system that we have in
09:58:26 place.
09:58:27 Am I correct so far?
09:58:29 >>BRAD BAIRD: We do have ongoing litigation associated
09:58:31 with the reclaimed system.
09:58:34 We are hooking up people today, tomorrow, next week.
09:58:39 We encourage reclaimed customer that is are in the
09:58:43 reclaimed area, please contact us, contact our web
09:58:47 site, and we do have 3,000 people hooked up right now.
09:58:55 >> Right.
09:58:56 From 1800, I believe.
09:58:58 >>> 1800.
09:58:59 Right.
09:58:59 Last year we hooked up several hundred.
09:59:02 >> Also, cost of water reclaimed has differentiated by
09:59:05 this council's actions here recently.
09:59:09 Thought the reclaimed was higher, now it lower.
09:59:11 Cost of water is higher.
09:59:13 So there should be normal movement towards the reclaim
09:59:18 by the customers, is that correct?

09:59:19 >>> That's correct.
09:59:20 As last August, the City Council approved a reduction
09:59:23 in the reclaimed rate.
09:59:26 >> I want you to know that my pass-through rate could
09:59:29 pay for the water that we had to pay for about $10
09:59:32 million equals about 50 cents a month.
09:59:35 So I'm on the green side of things.
09:59:37 I want you to thank TECO for coming over and doing an
09:59:41 energy audit and telling me what to do and I followed
09:59:44 those instructions and I got my monthly electric bill
09:59:46 yesterday, went down from 31 units to 23 units, and my
09:59:50 water consumption is also down.
09:59:52 So I guess I don't see too well in the house and I pay
09:59:57 very quickly.
09:59:59 Thank you very much.
10:00:06 >>MARY MULHERN: I think you are going to have to start
10:00:09 wearing a green suit.
10:00:10 >>> I ordered one yesterday.
10:00:13 >>SAL TERRITO: Legal department.
10:00:14 I want to give a little bit of explanation how the
10:00:16 bonding works.
10:00:19 Obviously a lot of these functions are paid for

10:00:21 through a bond issue.
10:00:23 And you have to keep in mind when you are dealing with
10:00:25 rates, you have to know what the impact on the
10:00:27 outstanding bonds is.
10:00:28 We are required to obviously pay our bonds off.
10:00:31 And the better at conservation we are, that means that
10:00:34 we may be raising less money to pay for those bonds so
10:00:38 they may be come back to you at some point to say you
10:00:41 may have to increase the rates rather than decrease.
10:00:43 And the better we are at conservation the more of an
10:00:46 impact we have in the bond, the same way the better we
10:00:48 are at recycling, the more impact it has on our
10:00:51 resource recovery project because they are recycling
10:00:54 rather than burning and getting paid back for the
10:00:57 electricity we sell to them so there is a reciprocal
10:01:00 to these things.
10:01:02 And everybody in favor of conservation, have been is
10:01:04 in favor of lowering rates but you can't lower them
10:01:06 below what you need to cover your debt service.
10:01:08 And both of these service does have outstanding bonds.
10:01:11 So it's not as simple as simply saying we are going to
10:01:13 lower the rates, we can only lower them so far because

10:01:16 you have to take the bond into consideration.
10:01:18 You have to pay those bonds back.
10:01:25 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Item number 4.
10:01:26 It's a pleasure to move ordinance file E-2008-8, 17.5.
10:01:32 An ordinance of the City of Tampa, first reading,
10:01:36 creating an affordable housing advisory committee,
10:01:39 providing for term periods for its members, providing
10:01:41 for duties and responsibilities of the advisory
10:01:44 committee, providing for guidelines to be used by the
10:01:46 committee in preparing an evaluation report and
10:01:49 recommendations about local affordable housing
10:01:50 incentives strategies, providing for adoption of the
10:01:54 report and recommendations about local affordable
10:01:56 housing incentive strategies, providing for amendment
10:02:00 of the city's local housing assistance plan, providing
10:02:03 for severability, and providing an effective date.
10:02:06 >>THOMAS SCOTT: It's been moved by councilman Miranda,
10:02:10 seconded by councilwoman Mulhern.
10:02:12 All in favor let it be known by Aye.
10:02:14 Opposed same sign.
10:02:15 So moved.
10:02:16 Also, councilman Saul-Sena is already out there on the

10:02:23 web for applications for these committees.
10:02:24 So the clerk has already begun that process.
10:02:26 So hopefully we are far on our way.
10:02:30 Okay.
10:02:34 >>THE CLERK: The second reading of the ordinance will
10:02:36 be scheduled for May 15th at 9:30 a.m.
10:02:39 >>THOMAS SCOTT: I would like to move quickly now to
10:02:41 the consent agenda.
10:02:42 What I would like to do, I pulled two items relative
10:02:45 to 40th Street. If Mr. Steve Daignault can come
10:02:48 forward.
10:02:49 It's kind of a good news item for the City of Tampa,
10:02:52 for the administration, and for the residents.
10:02:57 Take about a minute and give us a highlight on 40th
10:02:59 Street.
10:03:02 >>STEVE DAIGNAULT: Administrator, public works and
10:03:05 utility services.
10:03:07 Again I'm very proud of the 40th Street story.
10:03:10 We have a good message to pass along.
10:03:13 We have completed -- completely completed two of the
10:03:16 five segments.
10:03:18 We are a good way probably at the 80 to 90% stage of

10:03:22 segment B which was the large one at the bridge.
10:03:26 As you know the old bridge is down.
10:03:28 A portion of the new bridge, half of the new bridge is
10:03:31 up.
10:03:32 We have all of the property acquired for the next
10:03:35 segment which is segment C.
10:03:37 We have the money.
10:03:38 We have the design.
10:03:39 We have the permitting.
10:03:42 We are at this moment preparing to put the
10:03:44 advertisement out on the street.
10:03:46 We expect to bring that to you for award later this
10:03:49 summer.
10:03:50 And be getting into segment C and finishing it up.
10:03:54 And then we have segment A left.
10:03:59 At this moment we are acquiring property, going
10:04:01 through the property acquisition process for segment
10:04:04 A, which is the final segment.
10:04:07 Again, it's on track.
10:04:08 The items before you today are just amending moving
10:04:14 money into the appropriate segments.
10:04:16 We appreciate your support.

10:04:17 Again it's been a good project.
10:04:19 >>THOMAS SCOTT: I want to be aware of 40th Street is
10:04:25 an ongoing project.
10:04:27 I must compliment the mayor and Mr. Daignault for the
10:04:31 work done.
10:04:32 The mayor made it her number one project,
10:04:34 transportation, and it is moving right ahead, and it
10:04:37 is a great project.
10:04:38 I'm sure the citizens of Temple Crest are very pleased
10:04:41 with the progress that has been made.
10:04:43 So item 54.
10:04:44 I don't need to pull those.
10:04:46 I just want to highlight those so people will know
10:04:48 what's going on in the community that they may not
10:04:50 know.
10:04:51 So thank you.
10:04:52 Thank you again for the great work you are doing
10:04:53 there.
10:04:55 What we will do now, just move our consent item and
10:04:58 then let's take up the presentation by the historic.
10:05:02 So at this time we will move parks and recreation.
10:05:06 Councilwoman Saul-Sena.

10:05:08 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I would like to move resolutions 5
10:05:10 through 9.
10:05:11 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Second.
10:05:12 >>GWEN MILLER: So moved and ordered. Public works.
10:05:17 Councilman Miranda.
10:05:18 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Move items 10 through 21.
10:05:22 I would like to just briefly state number 14 we are
10:05:26 having an interlocal agreement between ourselves and
10:05:30 Hillsborough County expressway authority where they
10:05:31 are going to loan us the land, give us the land for
10:05:35 parking, but also 750,000 we are giving away to
10:05:40 private enterprise that I am not going to debate.
10:05:45 >> Second.
10:05:45 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Also item 15, this was the expressway
10:05:49 authority.
10:05:50 I abstained.
10:05:52 I don't know how Mrs. Miller did in the past.
10:05:55 I abstained at the expressway authority but I will
10:05:57 vote for it over here.
10:06:00 (Motion carried).
10:06:01 So moved and ordered.
10:06:02 Finance Committee.

10:06:03 >>MARY MULHERN: I move item number 22 through 30.
10:06:06 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Second.
10:06:08 >>THOMAS SCOTT: All in favor of those items?
10:06:13 Opposed same sign?
10:06:14 (Motion carried)
10:06:15 Building preservation zoning committee.
10:06:17 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: I would like to move items 31 to
10:06:21 51.
10:06:21 >>THOMAS SCOTT: And highlight 31 and 32 which are
10:06:29 affordable housing or ship programs that we are moving
10:06:31 today as well.
10:06:35 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I just want to point out that it's
10:06:37 really exciting that we are moving ahead with some of
10:06:39 the Florida Department of Transportation -- it means
10:06:43 that houses are being saved, they are being reused,
10:06:45 and we the city are getting the money from the sale of
10:06:48 the houses for our revolving loan fund for historic
10:06:52 preservation so it's a win-win-win and it great to see
10:06:56 on the agenda.
10:06:56 >>THOMAS SCOTT: It's been moved and seconded.
10:06:58 All in favor let it be known by Aye.
10:07:01 Opposed same sign.

10:07:02 Okay.
10:07:09 On transportation.
10:07:10 Let me go back.
10:07:11 51.
10:07:12 I need to make a note on item 51 that's to request a
10:07:15 workshop by Catherine Coyle.
10:07:19 What I want to suggest -- and I see councilwoman
10:07:22 Mulhern has added this for discussion.
10:07:24 That is that we look at having the budget workshop
10:07:30 month, June, July, and in between.
10:07:32 I think we need to block those times off our budget
10:07:35 workshop.
10:07:36 And I know we are going to discuss on the 15th.
10:07:38 So you may want to consider that.
10:07:39 So what my suggestion would be that we do this
10:07:41 workshop on the 19th, she said it would take about
10:07:45 45 minutes, maybe an hour, and the rest of the time be
10:07:48 spent for the budget.
10:07:50 Do you follow what I'm saying?
10:07:52 So item 51.
10:07:57 >>MARY MULHERN: That's the day --
10:07:58 The workshop day.

10:07:59 We move the workshop day to the 19th because we
10:08:02 have our last meeting the 26th, whatever that is,
10:08:07 going on -- council going on vacation.
10:08:10 >>MARY MULHERN: The budget meetings I was going to
10:08:13 schedule would be on that date.
10:08:14 >>THOMAS SCOTT: We'll talk about it on the 15th.
10:08:18 Well, we'll talk about it on the 15th.
10:08:20 Then transportation.
10:08:24 Vice chair Mulhern.
10:08:26 >>MARY MULHERN: I move items number 52 through 60.
10:08:32 >> Second.
10:08:33 (Motion carried).
10:08:35 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Items then set for public hearing by
10:08:37 council.
10:08:42 >>GWEN MILLER: I move items 61 through 65.
10:08:52 >> Second.
10:08:53 >>THOMAS SCOTT: We already took care two of them,
10:08:56 right?
10:08:57 >>GWEN MILLER: 67, yeah.
10:08:59 >>THOMAS SCOTT: We set those for 1:30, those wet
10:09:03 zonings.
10:09:03 Can you approve that in your motion?

10:09:05 >>GWEN MILLER: Are we going to be breaking for lunch
10:09:10 that day or something?
10:09:11 So I move we set it for 1:30.
10:09:13 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Yes.
10:09:15 >>JULIA COLE: Legal department.
10:09:17 I see that you are setting these wet zonings for 1:30.
10:09:21 We changed our process now, and they will be special
10:09:24 uses and they will be scheduled by staff as opposed to
10:09:26 coming here for resolution setting the public hearing.
10:09:30 My question is it's council's wish to start setting
10:09:34 all the wet zonings for 1:30, and have some direction
10:09:37 of staff.
10:09:38 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Well, we are going to talk about this
10:09:42 agenda issue in May but setting them now at 10:00 and
10:09:47 people come and sit all morning.
10:09:50 I think it's unfair for the people and for those
10:09:52 attorneys that are sitting all day, and those
10:09:54 attorneys are not cheap.
10:09:57 So I think it's feasible that we set them for 1:30.
10:10:03 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I would like to do that by motion
10:10:05 so it's official.
10:10:06 From now on I would like to set these special use for

10:10:11 1:30.
10:10:12 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Well, there's a motion already on the
10:10:14 floor.
10:10:14 So let's take that up.
10:10:18 Councilwoman Miller already made a motion to move
10:10:21 these items.
10:10:22 Is there a second?
10:10:23 >> Second.
10:10:23 (Motion carried).
10:10:27 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Now you can make your motion.
10:10:29 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: My motion would be we make these
10:10:31 special uses and also historic tax exemptions, they
10:10:34 have to wait around all day, too.
10:10:38 Set all these for 1:30.
10:10:39 >>MARY MULHERN: Second.
10:10:41 (Motion carried).
10:10:45 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Let me ask, what happens if we all
10:10:48 get to the point like John wing said, talk slow, talk
10:10:53 low, don't talk too often.
10:10:55 If that happens, what happens when we finish at 11?
10:11:00 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Come back at 1:30.
10:11:04 >>THOMAS SCOTT: When we have a workshop, we can talk

10:11:08 about that.
10:11:09 But in a year we haven't finished up.
10:11:14 Thank you, sir.
10:11:14 Let's take up now, that concludes all of our items, I
10:11:18 believe, right?
10:11:20 And now we'll take up the presentation for those who
10:11:23 want to address council on the different boards.
10:11:30 >>SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES: City clerk.
10:11:33 Council, I am here to present the applicants for the
10:11:40 item number 76 through 78, and we will start with
10:11:47 vacancies on the civil service board.
10:11:57 We have two vacancies as of June 8, 2008.
10:12:01 We have four applicants.
10:12:03 Four applicants are John Russell Barker, Charlotte
10:12:06 Hersee, Jeffrey Michael Janes, and Shaun Patrick
10:12:11 Morgan.
10:12:15 You can hear from them at this time.
10:12:16 We'll start with John Russell Barker.
10:12:22 >>THOMAS SCOTT: I am going to ask that you limit your
10:12:25 comments to about a minute and a half.
10:12:28 Cut the time instead of three minutes to about a
10:12:30 minute and a half.

10:12:31 We are going to have to recess at 11:30.
10:12:34 >>> A minute and a half is all I have?
10:12:38 >> Yes, sir.
10:12:38 You can do it.
10:12:39 >>> Thank you very much.
10:12:41 John Barker, 314 west Chelsea street, Tampa.
10:12:44 Good morning, council.
10:12:45 I would hope that you have seen my application,
10:12:49 perhaps have it in your hand.
10:12:50 That will make it easy for me to double your pleasure,
10:12:53 as I make my presentation.
10:12:56 I am Johnny Barker.
10:12:58 I truly believe that you should make me your next
10:13:00 appointee to the civil service board.
10:13:03 I feel very strongly about that and here's a reason
10:13:06 why.
10:13:06 Experience gained during multi-career pursuits.
10:13:11 20 years as public information officer and spokesman
10:13:13 for the Tampa Police Department, and ten years as
10:13:16 director of internal security services for the circuit
10:13:21 court, 13th judicial circuit.
10:13:23 This earned experience prepared me exceedingly well to

10:13:26 meet any challenges to be encountered in service on
10:13:30 the civil service board.
10:13:31 I would like to share with you a couple of thoughts I
10:13:33 have about civil service.
10:13:37 When I think of civil service I think of people in
10:13:39 government, people working in government, people
10:13:42 serving a people's government while respecting all
10:13:46 prevailing governing moves.
10:13:48 That's in a nutshell simply stated, basic civil
10:13:53 service.
10:13:54 And for what it's worth, and the cliche, I have been
10:13:59 there, and I have done that.
10:14:03 Also, in support of a personal claim to possession
10:14:08 people skills, and I do claim that, please know that I
10:14:10 am a former sports information director for the
10:14:12 university of Tampa, during a time when I designed and
10:14:16 implemented strategies that resulted in national
10:14:19 selection of nine all American athletes in four sports
10:14:23 at the University of Tampa.
10:14:24 (Bell sounds).
10:14:26 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you, sir.
10:14:27 >>> And I am a past member of the Tampa Sports

10:14:29 Authority.
10:14:30 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you.
10:14:30 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: You're hurting yourself.
10:14:34 After that bell rings, stop.
10:14:36 >>> Thanks for your time and consideration.
10:14:38 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you, sir.
10:14:39 Next person.
10:14:43 >>THE CLERK: Charlotte Hersee.
10:14:48 >>THOMAS SCOTT: I would like to ask all of the
10:14:50 candidates to come forward and that will expedite
10:14:53 their T time.
10:14:54 All of the candidates.
10:14:55 >>> I'm Charlotte Hersee, 3325 Bayshore Boulevard.
10:15:00 I am currently serving on the civil service board,
10:15:05 finishing out someone's term who had to leave.
10:15:07 I think I have been serving since last August.
10:15:10 It is very difficult, but I have found that I really
10:15:14 enjoy it.
10:15:16 I was financial director at St. John's Episcopal
10:15:20 school for 25 years, and I spent my last nine years of
10:15:23 employment with the -- for the Boys and Girls Club of
10:15:29 Tampa Bay.

10:15:29 I feel strongly that everybody needs to feel of that
10:15:36 they have an appeal process, when they have been
10:15:38 disciplined.
10:15:38 I think the civil service board serves a really good
10:15:41 purpose.
10:15:43 I have the time to do it now.
10:15:45 I really enjoy it.
10:15:46 And I really feel they've a good job.
10:15:50 And I would love to be reappointed.
10:15:52 Thank you.
10:15:52 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you.
10:15:53 >>> My name is Jeff Shands.
10:16:02 I'm an attorney at the Fowler White law firm.
10:16:04 I have been there five years.
10:16:06 I have lived in Tampa for five years.
10:16:08 And I just wanted to express to you why I think I'm
10:16:10 best suited for this position.
10:16:13 The reason why I applied mostly is because I think it
10:16:15 important for young people in this community to become
10:16:18 active in the in service to the city.
10:16:23 I am looking for active ways to do that.
10:16:25 I was previously appointed to the consumer protection

10:16:27 board for Hillsborough County, which was recently
10:16:31 dissolved for budget issues.
10:16:32 But I had nothing to do with that.
10:16:35 But I was secretary of that board before it was
10:16:38 dissolved.
10:16:38 And again I think it's important for young
10:16:40 professionals to be involved in the city's life.
10:16:43 I also think that the skills I have gained as an
10:16:46 attorney will help on this board.
10:16:48 I don't believe that there is another attorney on the
10:16:50 board currently.
10:16:51 And I think the things that I do every day in my job,
10:16:54 gathering facts, coming to conclusions, making sure
10:16:59 what the conclusion is what really happened as opposed
10:17:02 to what I'm told has happened, that's something that I
10:17:05 encounter on a daily basis.
10:17:07 I think that's important for the job.
10:17:08 And most importantly to be fair minded.
10:17:11 Finally, I realize the importance of the board's work.
10:17:13 I know there are a lot of high profile cases that come
10:17:16 before the board, such as the issue with captain Lewis
10:17:19 a couple of years ago, and the information now with

10:17:22 gas cards being possibly abused by city police.
10:17:25 Those may come before the board.
10:17:27 I realize the high profile nature of some of these
10:17:29 cases and I think it's very important to have somebody
10:17:32 who realizes that on the board.
10:17:34 (Bell sounds).
10:17:35 Thank you.
10:17:40 >>> Good morning.
10:17:41 My name is Shaun Morgan.
10:17:42 I'm an owner of a computer consulting business here in
10:17:46 Tampa which I started about a year and a half ago.
10:17:48 Prior to that I worked for many fortune 200 companies
10:17:52 including Publix supermarkets and federal express.
10:17:56 I have applied to the civil service board for one
10:17:58 primary reason which is that I want to give back to
10:18:00 the community.
10:18:01 I recently had a discussion with county commissioner
10:18:03 from legal about how I can get involved and she
10:18:06 mentioned that being on a board is a good opportunity,
10:18:10 and the Tampa Tribune article came out about the same
10:18:13 time, so it all kind of fell together and that's why
10:18:15 I'm here today.

10:18:16 I feel that I would make a good addition to the board
10:18:18 for three primary reasons.
10:18:20 I have extensive experience in working in large
10:18:22 companies.
10:18:23 Because of those experiences, I have worked with
10:18:26 hundreds of people.
10:18:27 And can understand the dynamics of a team.
10:18:31 Also, my experience is in technology has given me
10:18:35 excellent analytical skills and I am able to fairly
10:18:37 review the facts of the case based on the rules that
10:18:40 govern that case.
10:18:42 Finally, I'm a compassionate person.
10:18:45 And I feel that's an important quality in any civil
10:18:48 service job.
10:18:51 That's enough for me.
10:18:52 Thank you.
10:18:52 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you.
10:18:56 >>SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES: Thank you.
10:19:02 You have been given ballots.
10:19:03 If you can complete your ballot and we can get those
10:19:06 tallied.
10:19:07 And taken care of.

10:19:10 On item number 77, I just wanted to note that for the
10:19:14 enterprise zone development agency, we did not receive
10:19:19 any applications.
10:19:21 We are currently readvertising that one.
10:19:24 Moving on to item number 78, Historic Preservation
10:19:29 Commission, we have two vacancies and three
10:19:37 applicants.
10:19:38 The applicants are Michael Louise Shea, James
10:19:47 Tennison, and James Tokley.
10:19:49 If you would like to hear from them now, starting with
10:19:52 Mr. Shea.
10:19:55 >>THOMAS SCOTT: You have a minute and a half.
10:19:56 >>> Good morning.
10:19:59 Mike Shea.
10:20:00 I have been a resident of the City of Tampa since 1976
10:20:04 and spent really the first 15 years of my career in
10:20:08 the revitalization of the Ybor cigar factory.
10:20:14 We worked with the architect who had been the project
10:20:16 architect for Nathanial hall and Quincy market.
10:20:21 I was also involved directly in a lot of the
10:20:24 construction and build-out there which was all done
10:20:28 according to the historic standards.

10:20:32 I have had some construction background as well, held
10:20:34 a building contractor's license for a number of years.
10:20:37 On the residential side, I have purchased about three
10:20:42 years, four years ago, a house in Hyde Park, and have
10:20:46 been through three of the different phases and
10:20:51 segments as far as the renovation according to the
10:20:55 historic standards, worked with the architectural
10:21:04 review committee and have known a lot of them over the
10:21:06 years.
10:21:06 I guess really I have been real active in Ybor City,
10:21:10 and now I'm looking to give back, and that's an area
10:21:13 that is of great -- the historic is of great interest
10:21:18 to me.
10:21:18 I appreciate your consideration.
10:21:20 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you.
10:21:22 Next.
10:21:30 Mr. Tennison?
10:21:31 John Tennison?
10:21:34 >> Not here.
10:21:36 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Mr. Tokley.
10:21:37 >> James E. Tokley, 2118 West Carmen Street.
10:21:47 I am no stranger to this council having been the

10:21:49 editor for the bureau of city planning in charge of
10:21:54 editing and producing the Tampa 2000 comprehensive
10:21:57 plan, among other experiences. And other capacities.
10:22:00 I gained uncommon and grassroots knowledge not only
10:22:05 about the infrastructure of the city as is but about
10:22:07 the character of the city as once it has been.
10:22:11 As poet laureate for the City of Tampa for the past 12
10:22:14 years, I have been privileged often to draw from that
10:22:17 expertise in many of the pieces I have been
10:22:20 commissioned to develop, not only for the city, but
10:22:23 for the county as well.
10:22:25 As a citizen of West Tampa, I am surrounded by the
10:22:29 grand yet too often crumbling former cigar factory, a
10:22:33 reality which led me to write the poem "the ladies of
10:22:39 brick" which was recently published in la Gazetta.
10:22:45 I received an Emmy for Central Avenue remembered which
10:22:49 included my poem of the same title. If chosen I will
10:22:52 bring to this commission the knowledge of a historian,
10:22:54 the scholarship of an academician, the sensitivity of
10:22:58 a poet and the love of a citizen who has served in
10:23:00 many capacities throughout the years, and whose
10:23:03 treasures are history as a symbol and a guide which

10:23:06 reminds us of what we have been, what we need to
10:23:09 remain, and what we must become.
10:23:12 Thank you very much.
10:23:12 (Bell sounds).
10:23:15 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Mr. Chairman.
10:23:19 (Speaking Spanish).
10:23:22 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you, Mr. Tokley.
10:23:30 Thank you, Mr. Miranda.
10:23:33 >>SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES: I want to announce, Mr. Chair,
10:23:36 that the candidates chosen for the civil service board
10:23:42 include Ms. Hersee and Mr. Jeffrey Michael James, the
10:23:49 two new members.
10:23:50 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you.
10:23:53 Congratulations.
10:23:54 Two new members.
10:23:55 Yes.
10:23:56 >>SAL TERRITO: Legal department.
10:23:59 We had a possible issue which may not be an issue.
10:24:02 As now Mr. Tokley has a contract with us as poet
10:24:05 laureate.
10:24:05 There is no answer to when he can serve on one of our
10:24:08 commissions.

10:24:08 It looks like he probably can.
10:24:09 The suggestion has been made to me by the person in
10:24:12 our office who handles the ethics things that we
10:24:15 should ask for an ethics opinion.
10:24:16 Should you choose him we should ask for an ethics
10:24:19 opinion from our ethics commission because neither the
10:24:21 state nor anyone else we know indicates there's a
10:24:25 problem but we are not sure.
10:24:26 I don't want to preclude him from this position if
10:24:28 he's eligible.
10:24:29 At the same time I don't want him in there and getting
10:24:31 himself in a bind.
10:24:34 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I think that attorneys have too
10:24:35 much time.
10:24:36 We just received -- well, Mr. Shelby and I just
10:24:39 received a request to response from our ethics
10:24:42 commission specifically on this point, could a person
10:24:45 who serves on an ethics commission work -- that serves
10:24:49 on one of these preservation boards have a conflict?
10:24:56 Mr. Tokley writes poetry for the city.
10:24:59 Maybe he could be precluded from writing poetry about
10:25:03 a building that comes before the Historic Preservation

10:25:05 Commission.
10:25:06 I mean, I think this is absurd.
10:25:09 This is why people are critical of government.
10:25:11 This is -- if you would like to turn it in, that's
10:25:14 great.
10:25:14 We don't know if he's been selected yet.
10:25:17 >>SAL TERRITO: You are missing my point.
10:25:18 My point is he has a contract with the city.
10:25:20 We are trying to keep him out of trouble.
10:25:22 That's all we are trying to do.
10:25:23 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: The contract is for writing poetry.
10:25:26 >>> But he has a contract regardless of the issue.
10:25:29 I'm not trying to make this bigger than it is.
10:25:31 All I am saying is we want to make sure he doesn't get
10:25:33 in trouble, and it may not be a problem, and if the
10:25:36 ethics commission says it's okay, then it's okay.
10:25:38 We are simply raising the issue so he doesn't get
10:25:41 himself in a bind.
10:25:42 That's all we are trying to do.
10:25:43 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Thank you.
10:25:46 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Do we have the results?

10:25:52 Mr. Chair, Shirley Foxx-Knowles, city clerk.
10:25:55 The individuals selected for the Historic Preservation
10:25:57 Commission include Michael Shea and James Tokley.
10:26:05 Thank you.
10:26:06 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you.
10:26:07 Congratulations again to those who have been selected
10:26:09 by council.
10:26:12 I'm certain you will do a great job.
10:26:14 Okay.
10:26:15 We have our presentation now on the Tampa Heights
10:26:18 area.
10:26:18 And then, council, what I would like to do once that
10:26:21 presentation is complete, move to the staff reports
10:26:23 and take up item 68, 69, 79, 83.
10:26:27 And then we'll look at what time we have remaining
10:26:31 before 11:30.
10:26:34 So we have a presentation.
10:26:35 You don't have to use all ten minutes if you don't
10:26:38 need to.
10:26:42 >>MARY MULHERN: I would like to introduce Ryan
10:26:49 SCHUMAMM, a neighborhood activist of Tampa Heights and
10:26:55 he has been studying his neighborhood, and I think

10:26:59 that's so involved in urban planning and design that
10:27:03 he's decided to go to graduate school and get a degree
10:27:07 in urban planning.
10:27:09 In his spare time from his job and going to grad
10:27:13 school, he has come up with a plan for some of the
10:27:16 streets in Tampa Heights which makes a lot of sense,
10:27:20 and he's just done it on his own, and we are hoping he
10:27:23 will continue to help with us this planning while he's
10:27:26 away in school.
10:27:27 >> Ryan: Thank you for the introduction.
10:27:33 Can I get the presentation?
10:27:35 Oh, cool.
10:27:37 So those of you who do know about --
10:27:41 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Louder.
10:27:42 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: Closer to the mike.
10:27:44 >>> Is that better?
10:27:46 I don't know.
10:27:47 For those of you who don't know what a road diet is,
10:27:50 basically it's taking a large road and reconfiguring
10:27:54 it so it allows for a little more robust use over the
10:27:58 roadway, and a better community oriented use of the
10:28:01 roadway.

10:28:04 So a road diet is something I developed between
10:28:06 September and December, and that I am sort of
10:28:10 proposing it, talking to all the neighborhood
10:28:12 associations in the area surrounding Tampa Heights and
10:28:14 of course Tampa Heights as well.
10:28:18 So this is generally the first thing, if it ain't
10:28:24 broke don't fix it, it's fairly low traffic, but
10:28:27 there's nothing wrong with it.
10:28:31 Some people get from point A to point B with no
10:28:34 problem.
10:28:35 Answer to this, whether or not it's broken depends on
10:28:37 what type of city you are envisioning.
10:28:39 If you look at the city for what it is right now you
10:28:41 are not really envisioning anything.
10:28:43 You have to look at what you want the city to be and
10:28:45 then think of it how we need to go from where we are
10:28:47 to where we want to be.
10:28:49 So what is your vision for Tampa?
10:28:50 What is transportation planning role in developing
10:28:54 this vision that we have for Tampa, and how this can
10:28:57 be achieved that moves this vision forward.
10:29:02 From the driver's seat, obviously, this is Palm Avenue

10:29:05 looking west.
10:29:08 Generally from the driver's seat there are no
10:29:09 problems.
10:29:10 Roadways are wide open.
10:29:12 You can drive quite fast down most of these.
10:29:16 There's never really any traffic on them.
10:29:17 So from the driver's standpoint you can get downtown
10:29:20 really quick and people love that about these
10:29:22 roadways.
10:29:23 However, if you live on these streets or around these
10:29:25 streets, it can be a conundrum.
10:29:32 From the pedestrian perspective, can you imagine
10:29:35 walking down the sidewalk walking through the sign or
10:29:38 sitting on the benches waiting for the bus to come?
10:29:43 Wouldn't be a very attractive choice to make.
10:29:45 Nobody really uses these sidewalks for this reason.
10:29:48 In addition to that, the lanes that are on the outside
10:29:51 that are right next to the sidewalk, as I said
10:29:54 earlier, most people are speeding down these roads,
10:29:56 and there is a documented speeding issue on these
10:29:59 roads.
10:30:00 So obviously it doesn't make the pedestrian feel too

10:30:02 safe to walk down a street that cars are speeding
10:30:05 down.
10:30:06 And from the homeowner's view if you look to the
10:30:09 right, that's maybe six to eight feet off the
10:30:13 sidewalks, which is then ten feet off of the road.
10:30:17 Do you think that people really use their front
10:30:20 porches and feel safe letting their kids use the front
10:30:24 yards?
10:30:24 I would say not.
10:30:26 How to make it equal, by design means, people who are
10:30:33 traveling down the road by car, people who use it in a
10:30:35 pedestrian manner and people who live on the road.
10:30:38 Use green island with turning pocket in the center of
10:30:42 the road and slim the width of the lanes down to ten
10:30:45 feet adding texturized painting and crosswalks.
10:30:50 So bike lanes and pocket.
10:30:54 If you are familiar with what is being done on
10:30:57 Nebraska Avenue from Hillsborough south, very, very
10:30:59 similar type of project here.
10:31:01 What we are doing is taking four lanes, undivided
10:31:04 roadways, which is a turn lane and converting to the
10:31:07 one lane each way, adding bike lanes on the outside.

10:31:11 Here on the lower end you see the bus pocket where the
10:31:15 buses can pull out of the lane of traffic, and people
10:31:19 can get out of the way of drivers who want to go
10:31:21 through.
10:31:21 Much better configuration.
10:31:23 As I said before, these are all the things, bike lanes
10:31:28 and bus pockets provide as well as the additional
10:31:30 livability factors that are inherent in this.
10:31:35 The green median for turning pockets.
10:31:40 This is what it looks like.
10:31:41 You can minimize that to make it more cost effective
10:31:43 and still get the grid effect.
10:31:46 So what they do is provide a safe turning zone for
10:31:49 vehicles out of the way, provide a safe zone for
10:31:53 pedestrians crossing the Street.
10:31:54 A pedestrian who wants to cross a four lane road, they
10:31:57 run across the street so they can get to the side
10:32:00 safely.
10:32:01 When you add in a center zone like this, they are
10:32:05 going to look one way, cross to the middle and then
10:32:07 look the other way and crow the rest of the way.
10:32:10 So that's safer for pedestrians as well.

10:32:12 The open impact vision.
10:32:14 Right now if you think about it, you look down that
10:32:18 and you see the groan light and next green light and
10:32:21 people can just go.
10:32:22 Provides a place for green tree planting.
10:32:28 So obviously what I just said, the curvey one or the
10:32:35 straight one that you can see for miles?
10:32:37 It pretty obvious.
10:32:39 So if the travel lanes, it increase it is awareness
10:32:44 and alertness of the drive, something we all want to
10:32:46 see, the desire or comfort levels of speeds speed,
10:32:51 these are the things we want to see, turn and improve
10:32:54 the quality for other use of roads, and this provides
10:32:57 space necessary for bus pockets or for more narrow
10:33:02 roads, to offer other things that are going on like
10:33:07 travel.
10:33:07 So this is an example of a crosswalk.
10:33:11 When you go across it, now you are going across this.
10:33:14 Right now ones that are just painted on there don't
10:33:16 get paid too much attention to because the driver
10:33:19 isn't notified in more ways than just the little white
10:33:22 striping that's on there.

10:33:23 If you actually make a flashing sign and increase the
10:33:27 crass walk itself they kind of realize, hey, wake up,
10:33:32 like a pot hole.
10:33:36 That's much less dangerous.
10:33:38 Same thing.
10:33:38 And this queues drivers.
10:33:41 You want to get out of doing these types of crosswalks
10:33:44 and not just the painted ones.
10:33:46 And this is always the first we get, no traffic
10:33:52 backup.
10:33:53 And this is what you saw yesterday if you saw in the
10:33:57 Tampa Tribune.
10:33:58 Delay in traffic, I would have to say there probably
10:34:01 is going to be a minimal delay in traffic but are
10:34:03 people willing to wait five seconds for a better road
10:34:07 that brings more viability and livability back to a
10:34:09 neighborhood?
10:34:09 I would say yes.
10:34:10 If you have to wait five minutes, probably not.
10:34:14 But five seconds, ten second, definite advantage.
10:34:17 So what benefit is it to the city other than happy
10:34:21 voters, increase -- then follows through throughout

10:34:27 the neighborhood.
10:34:28 And then the city livability improvements such as the
10:34:33 highest market in the U.S., and the highest desired
10:34:36 locations to live right now, such as Oregon.
10:34:40 Tampa needs to orchestra state its resource in a
10:34:43 manner such as this if we are going to focus and make
10:34:48 it happen.
10:34:49 And if you are not convinced, these are places that
10:34:53 you can get more information from.
10:34:55 Do you have any questions?
10:34:56 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Thank you for bringing this to us.
10:35:01 This is exactly the kind of livability that will make
10:35:05 Tampa more desirable.
10:35:06 And this is focusing, I believe, on Tampa Heights,
10:35:10 because Palm Avenue.
10:35:12 I believe that Tampa Heights adopted plans, request
10:35:17 this kind of redevelopment with roads being more
10:35:19 walkable, doesn't it?
10:35:22 >> Yes, it does.
10:35:23 >>GWEN MILLER: Other questions?
10:35:26 Thank you.
10:35:27 We now go to our staff report, unfinished business,

10:35:30 item 68 and 69.
10:35:33 68 has been continued.
10:35:34 We have a substitute for 69.
10:35:53 >>TOYIN AINA HARGRETT: City attorney's office.
10:35:56 You have all been provided with a copy of the new
10:35:58 draft of the equal business opportunity ordinance
10:36:02 which I believe reflects what you all have requested
10:36:05 at your last hearing on this.
10:36:07 I provided you with a memo and a chart that will
10:36:10 hopefully have been helpful to you in identifying the
10:36:13 changes that were requested, the status of those
10:36:16 changes, as well as any commentary that we thought was
10:36:20 necessary for you.
10:36:22 I do apologize for not having provided the draft
10:36:25 ordinance to you within two weeks, so you would have
10:36:28 two weeks time to review it.
10:36:30 Clearly that's what's required.
10:36:31 It is a very complicated and lengthy document.
10:36:35 However, we were working diligently on it and we did
10:36:38 provide you with the chart in order to assist you.
10:36:40 I will note that this morning I received a copy of
10:36:44 chair Scott's comments on this draft, as well as a

10:36:48 copy of city attorney David Smith's memo which was
10:36:53 entitled errata sheet, the errata sheet, and chair
10:36:57 Scott comments are actually very similar.
10:37:01 And in reviewing those two documents, I can say that
10:37:05 we would be able to accommodate the request that you
10:37:07 made as well as the request that were outlined by Mr.
10:37:12 Smith.
10:37:12 If you have any specific questions for me, I can
10:37:14 answer those.
10:37:16 I don't know how you feel it would be most appropriate
10:37:19 to address this draft.
10:37:25 >>MARY MULHERN: I think we should just continue this
10:37:28 and give us time to read this, because that would give
10:37:32 us two weeks.
10:37:34 And ask you not to make any changes in the meantime.
10:37:41 And without direction from council, or anyone on
10:37:48 council.
10:37:49 >>DAVID SMITH: City attorney.
10:37:51 I just want to make sure we are clear.
10:37:53 Don't make any changes other than the one that is we
10:37:56 received from Reverend Scott which also correlate with
10:37:59 our errata sheet?

10:38:02 >>MARY MULHERN: Right.
10:38:02 Don't make any changes not directed by council.
10:38:05 >>DAVID SMITH: Okay.
10:38:06 And let me mention one other thing in that regard
10:38:09 that's not on the errata sheet and is not in
10:38:12 councilman's Scott's summary and that is an issue
10:38:16 pointed out this morning by Mr. Joseph Robinson.
10:38:19 And what it deals with is the definition of a minority
10:38:22 business in the context of the CCNA
10:38:26 construction-related service contract.
10:38:29 And what I would like to do is make sure we can
10:38:31 conform our definitions to the state statute in that
10:38:35 regard.
10:38:36 It's a minor change and we will point it out.
10:38:39 What I would also like we do is we will provide you
10:38:42 one through 10 or 20, whatever the changes are
10:38:46 included those requested by Reverend Scott, so that
10:38:49 you will be highlighted as to what the changes are,
10:38:52 why they were made, and any explanatory material that
10:38:55 will help you.
10:38:57 >>MARY MULHERN: That's not done in this version we
10:38:59 just got?

10:39:00 >>DAVID SMITH: It is not done in that version.
10:39:02 You got a red-line version but you didn't get --
10:39:12 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Let me -- these are the changes that I
10:39:14 recommended which is pretty much in line with some of
10:39:16 those, addressed already by the city attorney.
10:39:21 Probably just a few things.
10:39:22 And some of that it spells out, if you look at 1
10:39:28 through 9 items, you have already noted in your
10:39:31 memorandum to us, and those changes need to be made,
10:39:36 make it clear where you talk about the responsibility
10:39:38 of the WMBE committee, utilization, all those issues
10:39:43 are very important.
10:39:44 I will tell you -- and I understand what you are
10:39:47 saying.
10:39:47 I know that was your request last time.
10:39:49 Did you it two weeks before.
10:39:50 So I have taken the time to go through this document
10:39:58 with our council as well, and it looks like we are
10:40:02 almost there.
10:40:02 We are almost there.
10:40:03 And I will agree with you to give council more time to
10:40:06 review it.

10:40:07 But what your changes suggest, I think that this
10:40:13 document will be ready to go, from my perspective.
10:40:16 I know you may have some other questions.
10:40:18 >>MARY MULHERN: Are these changes incorporated into
10:40:20 the new or not?
10:40:22 >> No. That's why I am handing this to you now so you
10:40:25 see that this needs to be done.
10:40:27 In order to make this document, way believe an
10:40:30 efficient and effective document, I think that needs
10:40:35 to be incorporated in there.
10:40:36 >>MARY MULHERN: So that's what I would like to see.
10:40:40 I'm not going to look at this then.
10:40:42 I would like to see these incorporated and red-lined,
10:40:46 and then any other changes that occurred, anything
10:40:52 that occurred since -- I don't know, did we even
10:41:01 approve -- just red-line any other changes.
10:41:05 >>DAVID SMITH: Okay.
10:41:07 Yes, ma'am.
10:41:07 We have a red-line version now that will show you the
10:41:10 changes from what you previously reviewed.
10:41:11 These new changes will add into the red line, so you
10:41:14 will see everything back from your original reference

10:41:17 document.
10:41:18 And we'll do what Toyin has done with your summary.
10:41:25 You will have a memorandum that also walks through it.
10:41:27 >>MARY MULHERN: Then I defer to you on when you want
10:41:31 this to come back.
10:41:33 >>THOMAS SCOTT: I would like to have it come back to
10:41:35 us at our next meeting, in two weeks, the 15th, I
10:41:39 think it is.
10:41:39 I think it would be good.
10:41:40 Again, I think the opportunity, each council needs an
10:41:44 opportunity to read through the document, and feel
10:41:47 comfortable with it.
10:41:47 >>MARY MULHERN: And I would like to have them to take
10:41:51 with me, you know, tomorrow, starting the weekend, if
10:41:55 I am going to look at this in two weeks I would like
10:41:59 to look at it tomorrow.
10:42:00 If you already have it red-lined and all you need to
10:42:05 do is add these for now.
10:42:06 Can you do that?
10:42:07 >>TOYIN AINA HARGRETT: I can provide it by Monday, if
10:42:09 that's okay, Monday morning.
10:42:10 Would that be sufficient?

10:42:17 Friday, close of business then.
10:42:20 >>MARY MULHERN: If you are going to work on the
10:42:21 weekend.
10:42:23 >>TOYIN AINA HARGRETT: That's why I was asking for the
10:42:25 weekend.
10:42:26 >>MARY MULHERN: Okay, Monday morning.
10:42:31 >>TOYIN AINA HARGRETT: I would appreciate that.
10:42:32 >>THOMAS SCOTT: I think there's a lot of work put into
10:42:34 it and thank you again, Mr. Smith, your staff, and
10:42:37 also Mr. Shelby, with council approval, worked very
10:42:42 hard with me in going through these documents over and
10:42:44 over again.
10:42:45 I think on the 15th that will be our first
10:42:47 reading?
10:42:50 We can set that for first reading?
10:42:53 And I think that the public will be well served, when
10:42:56 we finally get this approved.
10:42:58 I would much rather make sure it's right in order to
10:43:01 move forward as opposed to not being right.
10:43:03 And I think SBLE and MWBE, you know, persons will be
10:43:12 very grateful that this is in place by the city
10:43:15 government.

10:43:16 Mr. Robertson, you want to address council?
10:43:20 I understand that's a council you had.
10:43:22 Do you want to state that on the record?
10:43:24 >>> Joe Robinson.
10:43:28 Thank you for letting me speak.
10:43:29 I got here a little late.
10:43:31 David has taken care of the problem.
10:43:33 David has taken care of the problem.
10:43:34 Let's move forward.
10:43:35 >>THOMAS SCOTT: All right.
10:43:37 Thank you very much.
10:43:38 Then we need -- I need a motion that we set this for
10:43:42 first reading for the 15th.
10:43:44 All right.
10:43:44 >>MARY MULHERN: Move to set this for first reading on
10:43:49 the 15th.
10:43:50 >> Second.
10:43:51 >>GWEN MILLER: Seconded by councilman Caetano that we
10:43:56 set this SBE, WMBE ordinance for the 15th.
10:44:02 To set this for a time certain.
10:44:05 9:30?
10:44:07 Let the motion reflect that then, 9:30.

10:44:09 All in favor let it be known by Aye.
10:44:11 Opposed same sign.
10:44:12 So moved.
10:44:13 I think that we are closer than we have ever been.
10:44:19 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Mr. Chair, I apologize to council.
10:44:21 I was out of the room.
10:44:22 I understand you moved item 26 under the consent
10:44:26 docket.
10:44:27 But by council's rules, title has to be read per
10:44:32 council's rules.
10:44:33 So just record 26.
10:44:50 >>GWEN MILLER: Item number 26.
10:44:52 Resolution amending rules of procedure, 3-D-4
10:44:56 governing the order of business of meetings of the
10:45:00 City Council, providing an effective date.
10:45:02 >> Second.
10:45:03 >>THOMAS SCOTT: So moved and ordered.
10:45:07 That you very much.
10:45:08 We will now take up on item 68?
10:45:19 That was the Museum of Art.
10:45:26 Did you address item 68 already?
10:45:29 >>DAVID SMITH: No, sir, I did not.

10:45:32 David Smith, city attorney.
10:45:33 I know you received my memorandum specifically with
10:45:36 respect to item number 68.
10:45:42 Also pursuant to discussion Karen and I had recently
10:45:42 there was some discussion regarding the appropriate
10:45:43 time and discussion regarding the appropriate time and
10:45:48 scope of discussions on bids that come before City
10:45:51 Council.
10:45:52 We can discuss that issue as well, or we can discuss
10:45:55 that at a subsequent date.
10:45:57 But with regard to 68, my recommendation is as
10:46:02 provided in the memorandum that we try to avoid too
10:46:06 much discussion on this issue.
10:46:08 I think the primary policy point is one of local
10:46:11 preference, which we have scheduled for, this council
10:46:14 has scheduled for the 15th of May, at which point
10:46:17 we will have a more thorough report for you on the
10:46:20 issue of local preference.
10:46:23 When, where, how and what the legal constraints are.
10:46:29 So unless you want to talk about the issue of
10:46:31 discussions generally with respect to big contracts,
10:46:34 that's all I really have to say on 68.

10:46:36 >>THOMAS SCOTT: So you can come back at another time
10:46:39 and talk more about the process, is what I hear you
10:46:43 saying?
10:46:44 >>DAVID SMITH: Either way.
10:46:45 We can discuss it a little with bit now.
10:46:48 I can certainly provide you opinions.
10:46:50 Or I can provide you a written summary, give you a
10:46:52 chance to read that and perhaps have a more informed
10:46:54 discussion as opposed to just a hearing kind of
10:46:58 extemporaneously what the issues are.
10:47:01 I have looked back at the language in the charter.
10:47:04 I think there are some discussions this council needs
10:47:06 to have.
10:47:07 I would like to provide you a summary of that
10:47:09 information so you can see what the issues are.
10:47:11 And then decide how you want to proceed.
10:47:18 >>THOMAS SCOTT: 68.
10:47:19 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Mr. Chairman, I believe it's coming
10:47:22 back with regard to the preferences.
10:47:23 It's set for May 15th presently.
10:47:26 >> It is.
10:47:28 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Set for May 15th so it will come

10:47:31 back and deal with it at that time.
10:47:33 So that will come back to us on May 15th.
10:47:37 Item 68.
10:47:38 >>MARTIN SHELBY: With regard to the issue of Skanska,
10:47:44 the issue of preferences be addressed in general on
10:47:46 May 15th.
10:47:47 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: Will that be a public hearing?
10:47:52 Will people be able to talk on that?
10:47:54 >> No, it's not a public hearing.
10:47:56 >>MARTIN SHELBY: They could talk to it under public
10:48:00 comment at the beginning of the hearing, anybody can
10:48:03 speak to an issue.
10:48:05 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: Thank you.
10:48:06 >>THOMAS SCOTT: We move now to item 79.
10:48:12 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Mr. Chairman, if I may, and I'm
10:48:14 sorry, I was back there listening to the debate before
10:48:17 I came forward.
10:48:18 I understand these interpretations under 8.04.
10:48:21 Are we talking about 68?
10:48:25 We were talking about 68, right?
10:48:29 >> Yes.
10:48:29 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: If I remember reading the charter

10:48:31 under 804, certainly the charter is able to apply
10:48:35 for -- in other areas that we have at the same time,
10:48:39 and perhaps the legal department can include local
10:48:41 preference as an exemption.
10:48:43 I know that certain areas, Gainesville for one,
10:48:46 Miami-Dade and Broward also have, I believe, that and
10:48:52 exemptions of local preference in the ordinance.
10:48:53 I'm not 100% sure, though.
10:48:55 >>DAVID SMITH: City attorney.
10:48:57 You are correct.
10:48:57 There are several local ordinances that have a local
10:49:00 preference and we will provide that information,
10:49:03 probably in conjunction with your doc agenda that's
10:49:06 six, seven days before that meeting.
10:49:08 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
10:49:09 I appreciate it.
10:49:14 I just had to share with I knew.
10:49:15 >>DAVID SMITH: Thank you.
10:49:17 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Councilwoman Mulhern.
10:49:21 >>MARY MULHERN: I didn't realize that we weren't going
10:49:24 to be talking at all.
10:49:26 So I do have some questions.

10:49:32 Specifically, I would like to see the bids.
10:49:37 For that particular process.
10:49:38 Is that possible?
10:49:39 >>DAVID SMITH: It is at this juncture, I believe.
10:49:47 Yes.
10:49:48 It's a public record, yes, ma'am.
10:49:51 >>MARY MULHERN: I had a question last week, and I
10:49:54 think you can clear it up for me.
10:49:57 When I talk to contract services, they discussed that
10:50:11 museum bid as if it was a city contract or city bid.
10:50:16 And I just want to know for sure whether the city, the
10:50:23 job they were bidding, was it the city directly or
10:50:27 through Skanska?
10:50:30 >> That was a city contract.
10:50:32 Contract is between the city and Skanska, yes, ma'am.
10:50:34 So it is a I ask procurement.
10:50:36 >>MARY MULHERN: But this particular discussion wasn't
10:50:44 about Skanska, it was about another contractor.
10:50:48 >>DAVID SMITH: Yes, ma'am.
10:50:49 This discussion was about the -- discussion about
10:50:53 local preferences in the subcontracting.
10:50:57 And what I was trying to indicate in my memorandum is,

10:50:59 this GNP contract is different, as many of your other
10:51:04 contracts, and that we basically have the guaranteed
10:51:07 maximum price, although they do comply with our other
10:51:10 procurement processes.
10:51:12 But once we enter into that contract, they hire who
10:51:18 they want to in terms of the subcontracts, the
10:51:20 materialmen, the suppliers, things of that nature.
10:51:23 We don't get involved.
10:51:25 Neither the City Council nor the administration in
10:51:28 that instance.
10:51:29 >>MARY MULHERN: I want to be really clear about this.
10:51:33 So the company that receives the contract, the bid,
10:51:38 the bid winner --
10:51:40 >>DAVID SMITH: Yes, ma'am.
10:51:42 >>MARY MULHERN: That bidding was through the city?
10:51:46 >>DAVID SMITH: Yes, ma'am.
10:51:46 >>MARY MULHERN: But you are saying we don't get
10:51:49 involved.
10:51:50 But we did review the bidding and award it.
10:51:52 >>DAVID SMITH: You do get involved in reviewing the
10:51:56 contract and determining whether to approve it or not
10:51:58 to a -- not approve it.

10:52:01 That was the discussion you were involved in
10:52:03 previously when I believe either Mr. Daignault or
10:52:05 David Vaughan or both came down and presented to you
10:52:08 that contract for your review and approval.
10:52:10 So you do have a review and approval function, and you
10:52:13 do need the information you need to exercise that
10:52:17 function adequately.
10:52:25 >>MARY MULHERN: I don't feel like I got my question
10:52:26 answered.
10:52:27 Maybe I'm really sick.
10:52:28 Maybe somebody else can --
10:52:31 >>DAVID SMITH: Okay.
10:52:32 I think perhaps what you are asking about are the
10:52:35 subcontracts.
10:52:35 >>MARY MULHERN: Yes.
10:52:38 This particular contract, I thought, was it a
10:52:41 subcontract that we are talking about?
10:52:43 >>DAVID SMITH: No. It will take what we call a prime.
10:52:44 And once that's awarded, they enter into subcontracts
10:52:49 with others pursuant to that procedure.
10:52:53 So we, particularly in a GNP project, we in this case
10:52:59 meaning the entire city, neither the administration

10:53:01 nor City Council, get involved in the selection of
10:53:06 subcontracting, whether they be builders, suppliers or
10:53:11 other subs.
10:53:12 >>MARY MULHERN: Okay.
10:53:15 This is a steel fabrication construction.
10:53:17 >>DAVID SMITH: No, ma'am.
10:53:20 This is what we call I believe a design build.
10:53:22 >> Skanska has a design build.
10:53:29 >>> Right.
10:53:32 Their obligation is to manage the entire process.
10:53:34 That will be a guaranteed maximum price.
10:53:37 That price or lower.
10:53:39 They are the ones at risk.
10:53:40 If they don't complete it at that point they have to
10:53:43 pay out of pocket.
10:53:44 We do that in order to make sure that we have all the
10:53:47 financing we need to pay all the costs percent to
10:53:51 construction.
10:53:52 Once we do that, that's the end of our involvement in
10:53:54 it.
10:53:54 And then they go through their selection process for
10:53:58 subs, materialmen, et cetera.

10:53:59 >> So the selection process for this particular steel
10:54:07 fabricator was entirely made through Skanska?
10:54:12 >>> Yes, ma'am.
10:54:13 >> Did it not go through the city or go through any
10:54:16 city processes?
10:54:17 >>> Correct.
10:54:17 >>MARY MULHERN: Okay.
10:54:20 Okay.
10:54:20 I'm just curious, because that's not way heard when I
10:54:24 first called contract services.
10:54:27 So we must have some involvement with it?
10:54:34 Because they knew what I was talking about and --
10:54:39 >>DAVID SMITH: I would imagine we do get information
10:54:42 regarding who you are going to use on the various
10:54:46 subcontracts.
10:54:47 And I do know there's some information that I have
10:54:50 heard that I am not involved in the review process
10:54:52 itself.
10:54:54 But certainly I think it's incumbent upon the contract
10:54:57 to keep the city informed as it is on the job site.
10:55:00 >> Well, I think this is really something when we do
10:55:03 have our discussion about it in general is it's a

10:55:08 difficult thing for us to maintain any kind of, you
10:55:14 know, diversity, and small business, and any kind of
10:55:19 preferences, when we are handing out these huge
10:55:23 GNPs.
10:55:25 Is that what you were calling it?
10:55:28 >>DAVID SMITH: Yes, ma'am.
10:55:29 Other procurement requirements do apply.
10:55:31 When the SLBE, WMBE ordinance is enacted, the
10:55:36 requirements of that ordinance will apply, and they
10:55:39 will have to conform to those requirements.
10:55:42 Now, until we have the ability to dictate who they
10:55:46 hire, we won't do that, but we'll require that they
10:55:49 tell us who they have solicited, who got the bid, what
10:55:53 were the payments.
10:55:55 And that will occur with the SLB.
10:56:00 >>MARY MULHERN: I guess here's what I'm saying, we
10:56:02 need to look out in that local business preference and
10:56:05 also in our WMBE ordinance, is that what happens as
10:56:10 far as compliance.
10:56:12 And I know we don't have that.
10:56:14 And they weren't required to have local preference.
10:56:16 But I think the same thing happens when you are giving

10:56:22 huge amounts of work to one major company to manage,
10:56:28 and us knowing that it's those contractors actually
10:56:33 get the bids, subcontractors, get the bid, and
10:56:36 actually do the job and actually get paid.
10:56:40 >>DAVID SMITH: That's a good question.
10:56:43 And you may have noticed, there is currently an
10:56:46 executive order that doesn't go as far as your
10:56:48 ordinance goes.
10:56:50 They had to comply with that executive order.
10:56:51 You may remember when they came down here, they
10:56:54 presented to you a joint venture partner who was in
10:56:58 fact a WMBE contractor, who they went ahead and made
10:57:03 sure they established that relationship.
10:57:05 So they went through that review in conjunction --
10:57:09 with the award of the contract so it didn't come to
10:57:11 you with recommendation for approval until they
10:57:13 established to the staff's satisfaction that they were
10:57:16 going with all of the other procurement requirements.
10:57:19 And that will be the same once you announce your
10:57:21 ordinance.
10:57:21 When it comes to this council for review and approval,
10:57:25 part of what you are going to require is a statement

10:57:28 of compliance with those requirements.
10:57:33 That's exactly how it will work.
10:57:34 But once that's done, we are then out of the process.
10:57:44 >> It's confused me for years as well.
10:57:47 >>THOMAS SCOTT: When comes back to us and we'll have
10:57:49 an opportunity to be more involved, that's why legal
10:57:52 issues about in terms of WMBE participation, listing
10:57:59 the subcontractors, they do have an idea.
10:58:02 Once you vote on that, it's really out of our hands,
10:58:06 and is pretty much out of the city hands other than
10:58:08 monitoring what's in the contract.
10:58:15 Okay.
10:58:15 We need to take up item 70, then item 79.
10:58:20 70 just requires a vote.
10:58:22 If the counsel will explain that, that was a quick
10:58:25 revote and I was absent from that vote and I'm
10:58:28 prepared to vote on that particular item.
10:58:31 This reference is dealing with the property over on
10:58:34 50th street where it's now the Miltner hotel that
10:58:39 requires a sign above what the city code requires.
10:58:46 And pretty much, they are questioning this waiver
10:58:49 because I-4 was raised higher, and so now, and this

10:58:57 came before us on another project as well.
10:59:00 People who are passing by cannot see the hotel or the
10:59:02 sign because it is below the interstate.
10:59:06 So, therefore, they need to raise it I think up to 50
10:59:11 feet.
10:59:12 Now keep in mind, it's very important, I am going to
10:59:14 support this.
10:59:15 And let me give you my reason.
10:59:16 One is that it is in the CRA for East Tampa.
10:59:21 Two, they are getting taxpayer dollars.
10:59:28 So we have to ensure this project is successful.
10:59:30 It don't make sense for us to put thousands of dollars
10:59:33 in a project and it not successful.
10:59:35 Okay.
10:59:35 And thirdly, you know, if you are passing by on I-4
10:59:39 and you can't see the sign, I mean, it's not going to
10:59:42 be successful.
10:59:43 The whole idea is that you want this business to be
10:59:46 successful.
10:59:47 They are going to redevelop that whole property there.
10:59:49 And so, council, we need to move a motion or what?
10:59:55 >>MARTIN SHELBY: The motion is on the floor.

10:59:56 Public hearing is closed.
10:59:57 Motion was made to council to overturn the decision of
10:59:59 the variance review board.
11:00:01 And allow the sign height to be 50 feet for two signs.
11:00:04 That is the motion that is before council.
11:00:07 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
11:00:08 The only reason I voted no, because I think if I
11:00:11 remember there was one existing sign now, and I would
11:00:16 have no objection to one sign going to 50 feet.
11:00:18 And now they want two signs.
11:00:20 And that was my only reason.
11:00:23 I have in a disregard for the business people or the
11:00:27 property owners or the hotel people but I just want to
11:00:30 keep conformity where it was at.
11:00:35 >>MARY MULHERN: I made the motion to allow both signs
11:00:41 because we saw the plans, and we saw the freeway going
11:00:46 by there, and it's a really difficult exit ramp to
11:00:53 even figure out how to get there.
11:00:55 So I just felt like it was so difficult for people to
11:01:00 find that hotel, and then to get off the freeway, that
11:01:03 we should make that an exception.
11:01:06 So that's what the only difference was.

11:01:10 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: And the reason was because once
11:01:13 they went past the first sign it was too late to get
11:01:15 off to the hotel or motel or whatever they are going
11:01:18 to call it and that's why the second sign was needed
11:01:20 to redirect them back.
11:01:24 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: And I voted against it because I
11:01:26 think it sign pollution.
11:01:27 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Okay.
11:01:30 Do we need the motion or just vote?
11:01:32 Okay.
11:01:33 All in favor, record your vote.
11:01:36 It's not on?
11:01:39 All in favor let it be known by Aye.
11:01:42 Opposes?
11:01:44 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried with Miranda and Saul-Sena
11:01:47 voting no.
11:01:51 >>THOMAS SCOTT: So motion passed.
11:01:52 All right.
11:01:53 Item 79.
11:01:56 The Verizon issue.
11:02:01 Number 79.
11:02:02 And the motion was made by councilman Dingfelder and

11:02:05 councilwoman Mulhern.
11:02:15 Councilman Dingfelder is not here.
11:02:31 >> I was just seconding Mr. Dingfelder's motion and I
11:02:34 think there are other people here who have more ideas
11:02:36 of the complaints.
11:02:37 I think weren't getting a lot of complaints.
11:02:42 If anyone else wanted to talk about it immediately.
11:02:49 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I think one of the things we need
11:02:50 to consider is what our attorney made us aware of is
11:02:53 that our role as council is not limited to complaints
11:02:57 about billings.
11:03:01 >>DAVID SMITH: City attorney.
11:03:02 As Sal indicated before, our role is limited to the
11:03:05 cable franchise, the telephony, but let me tell that
11:03:10 you Mindy Snyder provided a report to let us know how
11:03:14 many complaints the city had and they have had I
11:03:17 believe a total of 11 complaints which have all been
11:03:20 resolved satisfactorily by the city.
11:03:21 So the extent we had any cable issues, the city has a
11:03:24 process in place, they have been addressed and they
11:03:28 have been resolved.
11:03:31 >>THOMAS SCOTT: And we have a representative here from

11:03:33 Verizon.
11:03:34 State your name and address for the record, sir.
11:03:36 >> Allen Campersaro, 201 North Franklin, president of
11:03:43 the southeast region of Verizon.
11:03:45 We are going to come and talk about customer service
11:03:47 issues.
11:03:48 I am going to do that.
11:03:49 But first two quick points if I may.
11:03:51 I thought you might be interested in where we are, we
11:03:58 have now passed 115,000 homes.
11:04:01 That's about two-thirds of the homes we are going to
11:04:03 be able to get to.
11:04:04 Some of them are RMUs that he would can't get into.
11:04:08 So we have five years to build out the city in the
11:04:11 franchise, in two years we have gotten two third of it
11:04:15 done so I want to say we are ahead of schedule.
11:04:18 Things are going well.
11:04:20 Secondly, I wanted to thank the city public works
11:04:22 department.
11:04:23 They have been terrific, very efficient, very -- it
11:04:28 been easier to build here than it has been in many
11:04:30 other places.

11:04:31 So I just wanted to let them know that we appreciate
11:04:33 all their hard work, while they protected the city,
11:04:38 allowed us to get the system in.
11:04:39 It's all underground.
11:04:41 We spent more than 100 million so far just in the City
11:04:44 of Tampa.
11:04:44 Finally I wanted to apologize to councilman Caetano.
11:04:49 If we can get the details on that, I think we can get
11:04:51 it fixed right away.
11:04:54 Lastly, I want to introduce our national director of
11:05:01 franchise administration.
11:05:03 She was going to talk about some of the specifics for
11:05:05 a few minutes if that's useful.
11:05:12 >>THOMAS SCOTT: On the complaints you are talking
11:05:13 about?
11:05:15 >> Yes.
11:05:15 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Cornin O'Connell.
11:05:22 >> Good morning.
11:05:22 Thank you for having me here today.
11:05:24 I have reviewed the complaints that have come through
11:05:26 Mindy in the franchise, and I would like to address
11:05:29 three key issues that we have seen from our

11:05:32 constituents in the complaints.
11:05:33 One is billing.
11:05:34 One is our FIOS promotion and one is answering the
11:05:39 phone.
11:05:39 Customers have complained that they are confused about
11:05:43 our bills, and we have responded.
11:05:44 Verizon has taken the following actions to ensure that
11:05:47 the bills are in fact much more understandable and
11:05:50 readable.
11:05:51 As a first quarter 08 we now have new bill format.
11:05:55 They are shorter, they are crisp, they are enclosure
11:05:57 and you can identify each of the components in it.
11:06:01 In addition to that, customers have addressed issues
11:06:03 called sticker shock.
11:06:04 The first bill comes, and you are like, okay, what do
11:06:08 these rates look like?
11:06:09 What we have done in our bills is right after you
11:06:11 start service we send a bill out, so you see in your
11:06:15 bill a partial portion of your bill, where you are
11:06:18 till your next bill date and then a full portion.
11:06:21 All of the services in the partial versus your ongoing
11:06:24 monthly are separate and distinct, including boxes,

11:06:29 maybe pay-per-view, et cetera.
11:06:30 The bills are breaking everything down to a much more
11:06:32 definitive rate element and helps the consumers as
11:06:36 they are looking through the bills.
11:06:38 Third, a lot of customers today are purchasing the
11:06:41 bundle, meaning mixture of voice, data and the TV
11:06:45 service.
11:06:46 What we have done is listed the bundle rate explicitly
11:06:48 on the bill and then next to that for each of the
11:06:50 components purchased in the bundle we give the
11:06:53 explicit rate, so it's very clear how everything adds
11:06:57 up to the billed rate.
11:06:58 Next, set top billing.
11:07:00 There have been some issues onset tops.
11:07:03 Return your set tops but you continue to get billed
11:07:05 for it after you have upgraded or disconnected
11:07:10 service.
11:07:10 We determined there was an issue in the system.
11:07:12 We have temporarily turned off the billing of the set
11:07:15 top boxes to ensure that in fact the fees are working
11:07:19 properly so if I disconnect I am not billed going
11:07:21 forward to the boxes.

11:07:23 We are finishing up the testing and once we are
11:07:25 positive it is working we will turn the mechanism back
11:07:27 on.
11:07:28 Last but not least, we audit our bills.
11:07:30 We audit 10% of our bills every month and we have 10
11:07:34 billing cycles.
11:07:35 Once we the audit are complete the results of those
11:07:38 audit go to an explicit group of people in the
11:07:41 corporation who look at those, who examine the
11:07:44 results, and if there are any issues they put an
11:07:46 action plan in place to remedy the issue.
11:07:49 Next, another area of concern that we have heard in
11:07:52 the complaints of course is the TV offer.
11:07:55 It was a success.
11:07:57 It exceeded our expectations, and with that came some
11:08:00 issues.
11:08:01 The demand outstripped supplies.
11:08:05 Demand for the promotion outstripped the supply of the
11:08:07 6:00 TV.
11:08:08 We acknowledge that some customers also did not
11:08:10 understand we say were not eligible for the promotion,
11:08:16 because you had purchased some other services of

11:08:18 Verizon and you already had some other credits or
11:08:20 other promotions already in place.
11:08:23 However, we are making it right.
11:08:25 The Verizon team in Florida right now is calling every
11:08:28 customer who is eligible for the promotion.
11:08:31 We have confirmed so far we have called 66% of all the
11:08:35 customers who were eligible for the promotion.
11:08:37 Out of that, three fourths of them already have the
11:08:40 TV.
11:08:40 The others who are waiting for the TV, we have made a
11:08:44 commitment and we make a commitment here today for the
11:08:46 council for those we have contacted they will have the
11:08:49 TV no later than June 1st.
11:08:52 We are going to finish up.
11:08:53 (Bell sounds).
11:08:54 Should I continue?
11:08:55 Thank you.
11:08:57 Long story short.
11:08:58 I want to thank you for inviting me.
11:09:00 We take these issues seriously.
11:09:04 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Let me ask you a question on those
11:09:06 boxes.

11:09:06 I'm sewage you all have the channel boxes, right?
11:09:10 Are you all charging the citizens and all that for
11:09:13 those boxes?
11:09:15 >> There is a charge for the set-top box, for the
11:09:17 rental of a set-top box.
11:09:19 I don't know if I am answering your question
11:09:21 correctly.
11:09:21 >>THOMAS SCOTT: You are answering it.
11:09:26 Yes.
11:09:26 >> You may be asking about the converter from digital
11:09:29 to analog.
11:09:31 Our system is all digital, so the normal set-top box
11:09:38 works and people can get their City Council meeting.
11:09:43 They don't have to go out and buy another box to
11:09:46 convert the digital back to -- does that make sense?
11:09:55 >>DAVID SMITH: Honorable chairman, I think your
11:09:57 question really addresses the Bright House issue.
11:09:59 Because they do have to have a conversion.
11:10:01 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Well, right.
11:10:02 I understand.
11:10:03 That's why I am asking them.
11:10:04 I know about the Bright House.

11:10:05 That's why I am asking them, are they in that same
11:10:07 category of having to get that box, which is a
11:10:10 requirement, or to convert?
11:10:12 That's the question.
11:10:12 >>DAVID SMITH: They don't have to do the conversion
11:10:15 because their signal is already digital.
11:10:16 >>THOMAS SCOTT: It's already there.
11:10:18 >>DAVID SMITH: There's was built that way.
11:10:21 We did have a relatively moderate success against
11:10:24 Bright House.
11:10:25 They tried to dismiss our complaint and the court
11:10:27 denied the motion to dismiss.
11:10:29 So we are proceeding to the next level against Bright
11:10:31 House.
11:10:31 >>THOMAS SCOTT: But you do still have to have that
11:10:33 box, though, right, to get the digital channels?
11:10:36 Is that right?
11:10:39 >> We have 380 channels.
11:10:41 >> What is that fee, what is that cost?
11:10:45 >> Off the top of my head, approximately $4.
11:10:48 >> But I think that's true with pretty much every
11:10:51 system in the country, because the TVs don't match

11:10:54 up with all the channels that now come in.
11:10:58 So any kind of satellite or cable system.
11:11:00 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: You watch council reruns?
11:11:03 Is that it?
11:11:05 >> I try not to.
11:11:06 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I know that you were here earlier
11:11:11 at our meeting and you heard some of the complaints
11:11:13 from people about communication about a bill that
11:11:15 wasn't correct, and they called and they got, you
11:11:17 know, extensive menu.
11:11:19 Are you addressing that?
11:11:20 And do you have -- can you leave us with information
11:11:24 so that if we do receive complaints from constituents
11:11:27 that you guys can address?
11:11:30 >> Yes.
11:11:31 In fact we have talked to each of those persons, taken
11:11:33 their names.
11:11:34 That's what we always do.
11:11:35 We try to find the person and the problem and fix
11:11:37 them.
11:11:37 And we will leave you information in it.
11:11:39 And a quick contract to go through.

11:11:43 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you very much for being here
11:11:45 today.
11:11:45 We'll take up item 83.
11:11:47 Then we'll go back to item 71 and follow the agenda as
11:11:52 outlined.
11:11:53 I want to get some of these people out of here.
11:12:06 Item 83.
11:12:07 The Super Bowl task force.
11:12:15 >> Reid Sigmon, Executive Director of the Super Bowl
11:12:18 host committee.
11:12:19 Thank you for the opportunity.
11:12:20 Should I wait?
11:12:24 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Please hold the conversation down as
11:12:26 you exit.
11:12:27 We are still in session.
11:12:28 Thank you.
11:12:29 Go ahead.
11:12:32 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you for the opportunity to
11:12:34 address you today.
11:12:36 We have returned three months per your request to
11:12:40 update you --
11:12:42 >> State your name for the record again.

11:12:44 >> Reid Sigmon, Executive Director of the Super Bowl
11:12:51 task force.
11:12:51 I want to update you briefly on just Super Bowl host
11:12:55 committee operations in general.
11:12:58 Our volunteer program we launched, we need to recruit
11:13:03 training schedule about 6,000 volunteers.
11:13:04 We launched that on May 1st.
11:13:07 We have over 3400 people registered to volunteer.
11:13:10 We are very excited.
11:13:10 We want to thank the community for their support.
11:13:13 It's an unbelievable response and extremely excited.
11:13:16 In terms. NFL and their planning, they are in town
11:13:19 about once a month for almost a week to do all of
11:13:22 their planning.
11:13:23 They are working very hard on their site plans right
11:13:25 now.
11:13:26 We expect to have a lot more information as we get
11:13:29 into the fall.
11:13:33 I'll mention our web site is active. A lot of
11:13:35 discussion about the emerging program, volunteers, our
11:13:39 web site,
11:13:43 And for folks that have questions, that's the best

11:13:46 resource.
11:13:46 In terms of community outreach we did have a meeting
11:13:49 on April 18th with over 40 representatives from
11:13:52 chambers and school boards to talk about the different
11:13:55 programs we have, including our environmental program,
11:13:59 and also school outreach program.
11:14:02 Specifically about our emerging business program, I'll
11:14:08 ask Stephani, our outreach, to go over what occurred
11:14:13 in the last few months and discuss what Curtis
11:14:15 submitted.
11:14:17 >>> Good morning.
11:14:19 My name is Stephanie Owens Joyster and I am the
11:14:22 director of community outreach for the Tampa Bay Super
11:14:24 Bowl host committee.
11:14:26 You have before you an updated report from our last
11:14:32 visit here, February 14th.
11:14:34 And there are a few things on the report that I would
11:14:36 like to highlight for you.
11:14:38 First and foremost, I want to make sure that there's a
11:14:41 clear understanding that this is the NFL emerging
11:14:45 business program.
11:14:46 Our role as a Super Bowl host committee and especially

11:14:50 my role as director of community outreach, is to act
11:14:55 as a dizzy between the NFL special events department
11:14:59 and our local businesses here in Tampa Bay.
11:15:03 Having said that, we have some very exciting things to
11:15:06 talk about.
11:15:07 Our first workshop was held on April 17th, and we
11:15:11 had approximately 525 women or minority business
11:15:16 owners participating in that workshop.
11:15:20 As part of the presentation panel, we had eight
11:15:24 representatives from the National Football League.
11:15:29 Six of those representatives are the prime contractors
11:15:31 who are responsible for buying 80% of the goods and
11:15:36 services that will be procured during Super Bowl.
11:15:40 During the presentation, the contractors had an
11:15:43 opportunity to speak directly to the business owners
11:15:46 who were there to tell them what they bought, when
11:15:49 they buy it, what their process is all about, if it's
11:15:53 an RFP or if they simply go through our online
11:15:57 business resource side, and then they had a limited
11:16:00 opportunity to take questions from the audience.
11:16:05 That presentation from our April 18th workshop
11:16:08 will be posted on our web site next week.

11:16:11 So for those businesses who were not able to attend
11:16:15 the first workshop, that information will also be
11:16:18 available to them.
11:16:22 In addition to those members who attended the
11:16:24 workshop, we also have a very small vendor showcase
11:16:30 where 25 women and minority business owners had an
11:16:34 hour and a half opportunity for one on one match
11:16:37 making with those NFL contractors.
11:16:41 In the areas where they do the most contracting,
11:16:44 security and transportation, catering, arrangements,
11:16:50 it was an excellent chance for those businesses to
11:16:52 speak directly to the NFL prime, who would be buying
11:16:56 those services.
11:16:59 The NFL and their contractors rely on our business
11:17:03 resource guide to identify local businesses.
11:17:07 That business resource guide is now live on our web
11:17:09 site at
11:17:14 We currently have 165 women and minority certified
11:17:20 businesses on that web site, but in our database, we
11:17:24 have managed to attract 756 businesses.
11:17:33 So we have about 77 businesses that we've identified
11:17:37 that currently weren't on any of the existing

11:17:41 certified lists or business organizational lists.
11:17:44 So it's an excellent opportunity for us in Tampa Bay
11:17:47 to capture those businesses, get them certified, and
11:17:51 bring them into our program for other business
11:17:54 opportunities that will happen long after the Super
11:17:56 Bowl is gone.
11:17:59 The business resource guide that the NFL uses for
11:18:04 procurement resources is a live process, so any
11:18:10 business can register at any time, and whenever they
11:18:13 complete their information, we will put their
11:18:16 businesses on.
11:18:18 We will continue to do outreach to the community, like
11:18:22 holding community meetings and meeting with individual
11:18:25 community groups, and our next workshop will be held
11:18:28 during the week of June 16th.
11:18:32 >>THOMAS SCOTT: June 16?
11:18:34 >>> June 16th.
11:18:37 We don't have the specific date but it will be held
11:18:39 that week and we don't have a location.
11:18:40 But when we have the specific date and location it
11:18:42 will be hosted -- posted on our web site but I will
11:18:45 specifically let you know.

11:18:46 >>THOMAS SCOTT: I was going to suggest that.
11:18:48 And you do let us know.
11:18:49 We often get calls from people, from the community.
11:18:53 Okay.
11:18:59 I applaud you all for what you are doing and returning
11:19:01 back to council today to give us an update, and at the
11:19:06 end of the day I want to see the substantive of those
11:19:14 for women minority, small business tows do business
11:19:16 with the NFL.
11:19:21 And last time you said you had about $2.5 million.
11:19:33 Hopefully at the end of the day those who contract
11:19:33 with the NFL will have benefited from this community
11:19:39 as a whole.
11:19:39 Thank you again for your support and thank you for
11:19:41 being here today. Councilwoman Saul-Sena.
11:19:41 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Thank you.
11:19:43 Having been on City Council for previous Super Bowls,
11:19:48 I think the breadth and depth of your outreach effort
11:19:51 is much greater than it's ever been.
11:19:54 I'm sure it will be successful.
11:19:55 I also wanted to thank you for your efforts towards
11:19:58 sustainability toward doing as much recycling and

11:20:02 lessening the carbon footprint of this Super Bowl as
11:20:05 possible.
11:20:05 It's a new program I know for you, and I think that it
11:20:08 will really benefit our community.
11:20:10 So thank you for that.
11:20:12 >> Thank you very much.
11:20:13 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Any other questions for Council?
11:20:14 Again, thank you very much.
11:20:17 We'll take up item 71 and 72 before we take our
11:20:20 recess.
11:20:21 78, I'm sorry.
11:20:29 There was an issue there.
11:20:33 Thank you for reminding me again.
11:20:35 >>JULIA COLE: Julia Cole, Legal Department.
11:20:37 I need to bring you back to item 78, which is the
11:20:40 appointment on the HPC.
11:20:42 What was before you was a reappointment of an
11:20:45 architect and a vacancy.
11:20:47 I think there was a little confusion leading to the
11:20:52 reappointment.
11:20:52 The reappointment has to be for an architect position.
11:20:58 I don't know if you want to continue the entire

11:21:01 matter, but I do want to make it clear for that
11:21:04 reappointment, you'll have to advertise for an
11:21:08 architect.
11:21:08 I did also want to point something else out.
11:21:11 I know there were two gentlemen appointed to the HPC.
11:21:15 When you bring this back, depending on how you want to
11:21:18 proceed, one of those gentlemen can be appointed to
11:21:20 the vacancy.
11:21:21 I understand neither one of the gentlemen were an
11:21:23 architect, and it would be appropriate for you to make
11:21:26 a recommendation that the Mayor appoint the other
11:21:30 gentleman, whichever one you decide, as one of the
11:21:33 mayoral appointees for the alternate on that board.
11:21:41 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I understand that the reason the
11:21:43 architect wasn't here was because he wasn't informed
11:21:46 by the city clerk in a timely way that he needed to be
11:21:49 here.
11:21:50 He's currently serving and didn't fill out an
11:21:52 application because he wasn't informed that he needed
11:21:55 to do that.
11:21:55 Given all that and that he's been a long-serving and
11:21:58 excellent member of the HPC, would it be appropriate

11:22:00 to do that now.
11:22:02 When was this advertised?
11:22:03 Was it advertised to the architectural community
11:22:06 through the AIA or not?
11:22:08 >>JULIA COLE: See, that's where I think there was some
11:22:09 level of confusion.
11:22:10 I think what happened is you had two individuals who
11:22:13 had applied and two open positions.
11:22:16 And I think there was some confusion as it relates to
11:22:18 that.
11:22:19 I don't think there was any bad intent.
11:22:21 I think sometimes these things get confused.
11:22:23 So what I would recommend, because I think what your
11:22:26 rules do require is that you readvertise the
11:22:29 architect's position.
11:22:31 I think it is within your rules.
11:22:32 You could just appoint him today or alternatively, you
11:22:34 could readvertise for the architect.
11:22:36 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I move that we readvertise in a
11:22:38 timely way.
11:22:45 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Ms. Cole, I just want to be clear, is
11:22:46 it your recommendation then if it's Council's

11:22:48 suggestion, then, that you leave the two appointments
11:22:50 as they are?
11:22:51 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: You can't. There's only one slot.
11:22:53 >>JULIA COLE: That's the problem.
11:22:54 What the problem is, you can't leave those two
11:22:56 appointments the way they are because one of the
11:22:58 positions was an architect position.
11:23:00 So what you can do, because probably the gentlemen
11:23:02 have left.
11:23:03 You might want to just continue that, bring them back,
11:23:07 in some form or fashion, choose one of those gentlemen
11:23:10 to take the vacant slot.
11:23:12 You can recommend the Mayor appoint the other
11:23:16 gentleman to the open, alternate spot.
11:23:17 And I think that's something the administration is
11:23:19 interested and willing to do.
11:23:22 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Did both gentlemen receive the same
11:23:24 number of votes?
11:23:26 Perhaps if one received more votes, that could fill
11:23:28 our slot and the other one could be appointed by the
11:23:30 Mayor.
11:23:31 That would be a question for the clerk.

11:23:32 >>MARTIN SHELBY: My suggestion, if Council wishes to
11:23:34 take this up, the first thing that would be
11:23:37 appropriate would be a motion to reconsider item
11:23:38 number 78.
11:23:39 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: We were told it was inappropriately
11:23:41 done.
11:23:41 Move to reconsider.
11:23:44 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Is there a second to the reconsider?
11:23:49 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Mr. Chairman, this is not rocket
11:23:51 science.
11:23:51 We have openings.
11:23:52 There are specific requirements for openings, and we
11:23:55 need to get this clear.
11:23:56 What I would like to request is that the city clerk
11:24:00 readvertise for the architect position and that this
11:24:03 appears on our next Council meeting as unfinished
11:24:08 business, and that the city clerk report back to us on
11:24:11 whether one of the individuals got more votes than the
11:24:15 other to help Council make a decision.
11:24:17 But in the future, we need to get quarterly reports on
11:24:23 which vacancies are out there, what the requirements
11:24:26 are and so we can advertise and fill our boards in a

11:24:28 timely way.
11:24:28 >> Second.
11:24:30 >>THOMAS SCOTT: All in the favor of the motion, let it
11:24:32 be known by aye.
11:24:32 Opposed, same sign.
11:24:33 [Motion Carried]
11:24:34 My suggestion would be that when the ballots are
11:24:37 printed, that you put on there, what's required.
11:24:40 You know, if you do that, then we know.
11:24:43 And that will eliminate the problem we had here today.
11:24:45 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: And when they are advertised, that
11:24:48 we let people know.
11:24:48 >>THOMAS SCOTT: They should do that when they
11:24:50 advertise also.
11:24:51 Since we are doing the voting and the appointing, if
11:24:54 you have it on there, you know what position --
11:24:56 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I see Mr. Fernandez here.
11:24:58 Dennis Fernandez.
11:24:59 Because you're now the administrator, and we're
11:25:02 thrilled to death you are, because we know you'll do a
11:25:05 fabulous job of all of the HPC, A.R.C. and BLC and you
11:25:10 know the cast of characters, and you're overseeing it

11:25:13 all, you communicate more than anyone with the
11:25:16 different communities that offer people to serve on
11:25:20 these boards.
11:25:20 Could you please work closely with the city clerk in a
11:25:24 timely way, like four months ahead of time to let us
11:25:27 know which openings are coming up, from what
11:25:29 professions, let the professions know.
11:25:31 I don't want you to not be able to function because of
11:25:34 lack of a quorum because of not filling the positions
11:25:37 timely.
11:25:37 And you really have the technical information.
11:25:39 So perhaps there needs to be legal, clerk, and
11:25:43 preservation working together to develop a better
11:25:46 administrative process.
11:25:47 I'd like to move to ask the administration humbly to
11:25:52 develop a clear, crisper administrative process
11:25:55 between the clerk, the preservation group and legal.
11:26:00 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Is there a second?
11:26:05 >> I wanted to note that we advertised with the
11:26:09 architect community, so they -- we advertised in a
11:26:13 number of places.
11:26:15 Victoria at AIA Tampa Bay chapter, Director of

11:26:19 Marketing, AIA Florida Association, Urban Charrette
11:26:24 Group, any number of them.
11:26:28 T.H.A.N., any number of places.
11:26:31 So we did advertise.
11:26:33 And as far as the vote, Mr. Tennison received one
11:26:40 vote.
11:26:40 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: That isn't who we are interested
11:26:41 in.
11:26:42 We are interested in the other two people who now we
11:26:44 have to select one of.
11:26:45 >> Mr. Tokley received six votes and Mr. Shea five.
11:26:50 >>THOMAS SCOTT: All right.
11:26:51 There's a motion on the floor made by Councilwoman
11:26:53 Saul-Sena.
11:26:54 Second by Councilman Caetano.
11:26:58 All in favor, aye.
11:26:59 Opposed, same sign.
11:27:00 [Motion Carried]
11:27:00 Mr. Smith, I saw him leaving.
11:27:02 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Before you do that, council, is it
11:27:04 Council's intention, because Council did take the
11:27:07 ballot, is it Council's intention to set aside those

11:27:09 ballots?
11:27:10 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: No, I asked for a report back.
11:27:12 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Well, you have to, because the problem
11:27:15 is that you have to have an architect on that board,
11:27:21 so you're going to have to set aside those ballots.
11:27:25 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Council, yes, sir, you do.
11:27:27 You have to set aside --
11:27:29 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Move to set aside the ballot.
11:27:31 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Motion to reconsider number 78 then,
11:27:34 yes.
11:27:35 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Move to reconsider number 78.
11:27:37 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Is there a second?
11:27:39 >> Second.
11:27:39 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Moved and seconded.
11:27:40 All in favor, let it be known by aye.
11:27:42 Opposed?
11:27:44 >>MARTIN SHELBY: If that could be continued to the
11:27:46 same date as Ms. Saul-Sena's motion was the last
11:27:48 time --
11:27:49 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: The next Council meeting.
11:27:51 >>THOMAS SCOTT: We'll bring that back on the 15th.
11:27:53 Is there a second?

11:27:54 >>MARY MULHERN: Second.
11:27:55 >>THOMAS SCOTT: All in favor, let it be known by aye.
11:27:58 [Motion Carried]
11:27:58 Mr. Smith, you can give us 71 and we should be out of
11:27:58 here.
11:28:01 >>DAVID SMITH: David Smith, City Attorney, I will
11:28:03 provide you a quick summary.
11:28:09 >>THOMAS SCOTT: After this, we'll break and come back
11:28:12 after lunch at 1:30.
11:28:14 Mr. Smith?
11:28:16 >>DAVID SMITH: Yes, sir, what we're providing to you
11:28:18 is a very brief, essentially a one-page and slight
11:28:23 lapover summary.
11:28:24 But I would like to walk you through that, because
11:28:26 this is sometimes a little confusing.
11:28:30 What you have in front of you is an update that was
11:28:33 just finished being prepared with respect to the
11:28:36 outstanding code liens that we have.
11:28:38 If you will notice, there were two different areas in
11:28:41 which we analyzed the code liens.
11:28:43 The first one was outstanding fines of $250,000 or
11:28:49 greater.

11:28:49 It dealt with both homestead and nonhomestead.
11:28:53 You may recall the original amount, which is on the
11:28:57 next paragraph under the numbers, was $58,789,520.
11:29:04 If you will look, you'll see that 29 million plus were
11:29:08 identified as fines having already been released.
11:29:12 The information simply was not put through the system.
11:29:14 An additional 13 million, almost 14 million are fines
11:29:19 that have been identified to be zeroed and released.
11:29:23 And I have a follow-up sheet that will summarize that
11:29:26 for you.
11:29:26 So you can see we basically reduced that
11:29:30 58 million-dollar amount by 43 million, which leaves a
11:29:34 net outstanding amount of 15,788,000 from that group
11:29:41 of liens.
11:29:42 We had a separate group of liens dealing with fines
11:29:44 from 200,000 to 250,000.
11:29:47 You will note the original reported total there was
11:29:50 11,327,000.
11:29:54 Of that amount, 7,391,811 were identified to be zeroed
11:30:02 and released resulting in an outstanding new balance
11:30:05 of 3 million 935.
11:30:07 Now, I also have a summary, which I do not see.

11:30:10 This shows you the items that were identified as the
11:30:37 13 million 965 and the 7,391,000, which totaled -- on
11:30:46 the back page you'll see the reduction of 19
11:30:51 million -- excuse me, I'm sorry.
11:30:53 I've been giving you an incorrect amount.
11:30:55 What this is, this is the amount by which it was
11:30:57 reduced.
11:30:58 Yes, the 13 million 965 and 7 million 391 which is the
11:31:03 total on this sheet that you now see in front of you.
11:31:06 Now, I don't know if you can make those out, but
11:31:08 essentially the first item were lien amounts that
11:31:14 Joyner & Jordan-Holmes -- there you go -- needed to
11:31:18 release.
11:31:19 Next is city-owned property.
11:31:20 Once we take ownership of the property, it doesn't
11:31:23 make sense to keep the lien outstanding.
11:31:25 Foreclosed are those properties that were subject to a
11:31:28 foreclosure, which generally wipes us out because the
11:31:31 mortgage is ahead of us.
11:31:33 Bankruptcy, once again, we lose any leverage and
11:31:35 ability to collect.
11:31:37 Generally in bankruptcy.

11:31:38 It gives you a breakdown.
11:31:43 These were not arbitrarily reduced.
11:31:44 There was a legitimate reason in every instance.
11:31:47 It just took a careful review of the file to do that.
11:31:49 So that's an update.
11:31:50 But I will tell you, this is an ongoing process.
11:31:52 We are still carefully looking at the remaining liens
11:31:55 that are outstanding to determine whether they are, in
11:31:57 fact, liens that the city should continue to pursue.
11:32:01 Unfortunately, sometimes these liens are extremely old
11:32:06 and the system was not all we would hope it would have
11:32:08 been at the time it was used for some of these liens.
11:32:11 I hope that provides you an explanation of where we
11:32:14 are.
11:32:14 Happy to answer any questions if you like.
11:32:17 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Do we have codes broken down into
11:32:21 different categories?
11:32:24 Specifically, I was wondering if the City of Tampa has
11:32:27 ever collected any money as a fine for illegally
11:32:30 removing a grand tree?
11:32:32 You don't have to answer that now.
11:32:33 Is that something that our data collection system

11:32:38 identifies so that we can pull up that kind of
11:32:39 information?
11:32:40 >>DAVID SMITH: I don't believe it does.
11:32:42 I'll find out for sure and get you the answer as to
11:32:44 whether we had such an instance with respect to a
11:32:46 grand tree.
11:32:48 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Thank you.
11:32:49 >>JOSEPH CAETANO: Mr. Smith, do we have a data program
11:32:51 that will keep better track of this, or do we have an
11:32:57 attorney in the back that will be doing that?
11:32:58 >>DAVID SMITH: No.
11:32:59 Actually, I really can't address the issue with regard
11:33:04 to the program.
11:33:05 I know we're looking at and evaluating our I.T.
11:33:08 There are several areas that I hear about, because I'm
11:33:12 in meetings that sometimes aren't legal, and we're
11:33:16 trying to do a better job.
11:33:19 We have the same issue with regard to our WMBE and
11:33:21 SLBE program.
11:33:23 The data is so important.
11:33:24 If you don't have access to it, you can't pull it up,
11:33:28 get the reports you need, you're going to be

11:33:30 ineffectual.
11:33:31 I think that's a good question.
11:33:33 I'll see if I can find someone from the administration
11:33:35 who has a better answer.
11:33:39 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Okay.
11:33:39 Thank you, Mr. Smith.
11:33:40 We will stand in recess now until 1:30 and then
11:33:45 continue when we come back at 1:30.

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>>THOMAS SCOTT: Good afternoon.
13:33:03:13 Welcome back to the Tampa City Council meeting.
13:33:07:15 We'll now come to order.
13:33:08:19 Roll call.
13:33:12:13 >>THE CLERK: Miranda?
13:33:13:21 Dingfelder?
13:33:14:12 Miller?
13:33:15:22 >>GWEN MILLER: Here.
13:33:16:12 >>MARY MULHERN: Here.
13:33:18:06 >>JOSEPH CAETANO: Here.
13:33:21:00 >>THE CLERK: Saul-Sena?
13:33:23:00 Scott?
13:33:23:25 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Here.
13:33:24:10 Okay.

13:33:25:19 We'll pick up with item 72, Mr. Walter.
13:33:30:24 >> Good afternoon, Council.
13:33:32:27 I was asked to discuss the stormwater credit procedures
13:33:36:15 that we have in place with the stormwater assessment
13:33:38:22 fees for stormwater services.
13:33:40:06 Currently, we do have an incentive program in place.
13:33:45:12 There are basically two options for a property to get
13:33:48:21 an incentive.
13:33:49:13 One is to receive a 10% credit if they have a
13:33:54:22 Stormwater Management facility that is permitted and
13:33:56:21 recertified, according to water management district
13:33:59:09 standards of either once every 18 months or once every
13:34:02:28 24 months.
13:34:03:21 There's also the option of having a 100% credit if the
13:34:08:03 property does not discharge to a city-maintained
13:34:11:27 facility at all before it receives its receiving body.
13:34:15:06 Currently, those two assessment procedures have gone
13:34:18:09 through legal tests and have been found to be valid.
13:34:21:28 And so those are the assessment procedures that we have
13:34:25:18 in place, and we feel very confident that they are
13:34:27:25 working effectively.
13:34:29:01 We have about 134,000 parcels that are assessed in the
13:34:33:06 City of Tampa.
13:34:33:24 Of those, about 3800 are receiving the 10% credit and
13:34:39:12 nearly twice that many, about 7700 are receiving the

13:34:43:12 100% credit because they don't discharge to the
13:34:46:15 city-maintained facilities.
13:34:48:07 This issue was brought up specifically in reference to
13:34:51:09 pervious pavement as an option to receive a credit.
13:34:55:01 And there is currently not a procedure to give an
13:34:59:03 additional credit to a particular technology that would
13:35:01:10 be used to reduce impervious area over and above those
13:35:05:16 two existing procedures that could account for the use
13:35:09:06 of that technology or any other technology to get to an
13:35:12:21 impervious coverage requirement.
13:35:14:27 With that, that's my report to Council.
13:35:17:15 I'll be happy to answer any questions.
13:35:19:24 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Yes.
13:35:20:24 Councilwoman Mulhern.
13:35:21:15 >>MARY MULHERN: I was just going to ask, I notice that
13:35:25:18 your report was requested by councilman Dingfelder and
13:35:31:07 Saul-Sena.
13:35:31:18 I was wondering if you could put that in writing for
13:35:33:19 us.
13:35:34:04 I didn't have any backup.
13:35:35:19 Did you give us a memo?
13:35:37:15 >> No, it was just to provide a report.
13:35:39:00 >>MARY MULHERN: What you just told us.
13:35:41:18 >> That will be fine.
13:35:44:15 >>MARY MULHERN: Thanks.

13:35:45:00 >>THOMAS SCOTT: So you'll provide that?
13:35:46:18 >> Certainly.
13:35:47:09 I can provide that in writing for your convenience.
13:35:49:27 Thank you.
13:35:50:06 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you, sir, very much.
13:35:51:27 Item 73 was placed on the agenda by Councilman Miranda,
13:36:02:21 and he is not here just now.
13:36:04:06 What I'll do is come back to that shortly.
13:36:06:15 Item 74, City Attorney David Smith.
13:36:18:06 >>REBECCA KERT: Rebecca Kert, Legal Department.
13:36:19:28 Could we continue this until Mr. Smith gets here?
13:36:22:12 >>THOMAS SCOTT: All right.
13:36:23:04 Item 75?
13:36:26:24 This is on the Legal Department appear to provide an
13:36:33:07 opinion regarding what is being done regarding
13:36:35:18 individuals not being required to pay sales tax on
13:36:39:10 surplus --
13:36:41:00 >>JOSEPH CAETANO: Mr. Chairman, can we postpone this
13:36:43:15 for two weeks?
13:36:44:21 There's some fact-finding that has to be done before
13:36:50:00 this is completed.
13:36:51:03 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Okay.
13:36:51:25 So you want to continue for two weeks?
13:36:53:15 >>JOSEPH CAETANO: Yes, for a couple of weeks.
13:36:55:21 >>THOMAS SCOTT: It's been moved and seconded.

13:36:57:27 Moved by councilman Caetano.
13:37:01:10 Seconded by councilwoman Miller.
13:37:05:07 So moved and ordered.
13:37:06:15 That's on item 75.
13:37:08:21 We will now go back to item 73, Mr. Miranda is here.
13:37:13:25 This is the item that Mr. Miranda placed -- requested
13:37:19:03 to be placed on the agenda.
13:37:20:28 Item 73, the issue of fire rescue and medical response
13:37:25:00 time at the Raymond James Stadium that we took action
13:37:28:27 at the Tampa Sports Authority, took action on last
13:37:31:15 week.
13:37:33:19 >>DAVID SMITH: Good afternoon, Council.
13:37:35:07 David Smith, City Attorney.
13:37:36:22 First of all, I did speak with the Mayor about this
13:37:39:00 issue, and she asked that I convey to you her concern
13:37:42:09 as well.
13:37:42:24 She's concerned about the action taken by the Tampa
13:37:47:04 Sports Authority and the action apparently being
13:37:51:03 contemplated by Hillsborough County.
13:37:52:18 The Mayor does not think that the county should amend
13:37:56:22 its ordinance.
13:37:57:18 Of course, bear in mind, this is an ordinance that was
13:38:00:06 created to provide a regulatory structure to deal with
13:38:03:03 the provision of emergency medical services in the
13:38:06:00 entire county.

13:38:08:12 It really shouldn't be looked at with respect to the
13:38:11:03 allocation of perceived perks.
13:38:15:01 We are concerned and I am certainly very concerned
13:38:17:12 about the implication of the carte blanche power of the
13:38:21:21 county to amend the ordinance that's implicit in their
13:38:25:25 legal position.
13:38:26:15 We don't know to what extent they believe they have the
13:38:29:06 authority to amend the ordinance.
13:38:30:27 That ordinance and what the city does in reliance on
13:38:35:04 that ordinance is very important.
13:38:36:25 It would be very difficult for the city to plan, and to
13:38:40:19 staff, and to equip itself to provide these services if
13:38:43:15 those services and the distribution of those services
13:38:47:06 can be affected so easily.
13:38:48:27 I have been instructed to and will challenge any effort
13:38:53:15 by the county to act inconsistently with their
13:38:57:18 responsibilities vis-a-vis the city if we have
13:39:00:06 appropriate grounds.
13:39:00:28 So we will be watching carefully, and we will be
13:39:03:13 articulating the city's position in that venue as well
13:39:07:00 as elsewhere.
13:39:08:00 We are also evaluating other alternatives.
13:39:10:00 I'm not quite as liberty to discuss right now, but I'll
13:39:12:18 be meeting with each of you individually to discuss
13:39:15:22 some of those.

13:39:16:07 That's essentially what I have to say today.
13:39:17:27 I certainly will be -- well, I will answer any
13:39:20:21 questions you have that I can.
13:39:22:06 We do have to sort of keep our powder dry at this
13:39:25:07 juncture.
13:39:26:15 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you, Chairman Scott.
13:39:28:16 I understand your position.
13:39:29:27 I understand what you said, and I'm going to try to
13:39:32:21 keep it without the implications of any legalities
13:39:36:00 going forward.
13:39:37:03 It is my understanding that there is an ordinance in
13:39:41:09 the county, however, that also states in that ordinance

13:39:44:07 that before or after any municipality has an ordinance
13:39:50:13 that that ordinance that municipality may have before
13:39:53:28 or after the current ordinance that's in the county
13:39:56:15 now, that they would honor it and stay away from.
13:40:00:19 Am I in the right frame of mind?
13:40:06:13 >>DAVID SMITH: Yes, sir, David Smith.
13:40:08:09 That's one of the issues we are evaluating.
13:40:10:04 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: That bothers me a lot.
13:40:12:00 There are a lot of things we do with equal partners
13:40:14:04 with a lot of individuals, although a lot of the
13:40:16:21 services are conducted in the city.
13:40:18:12 A lot of those taxes are collected in the cities, and
13:40:21:03 I'm not suggesting anything.

13:40:22:15 I'm just saying that, you know, let the neighbor's dog
13:40:28:22 stay on their side.
13:40:29:27 I don't want my dog crossing over and having a fight.
13:40:32:07 So what I'm saying in a nice way is, like the state of
13:40:38:09 Texas, don't tread on me.
13:40:42:21 Leave us alone.
13:40:43:18 We're not after -- we don't want to start a war, but
13:40:47:22 there are a lot of other things that we share in
13:40:50:00 revenues, hotel tax.
13:40:52:01 Most of the hotel tax is collected in the city, shared.
13:40:54:24 I'm not suggesting anything.
13:40:56:28 There's a lot of other things that we do that are for
13:41:02:03 the benefit of the people not only of the city and of
13:41:05:18 the county, but of the region.
13:41:07:06 And when you start thinking as a one cell molecule,
13:41:14:06 then you are in trouble.
13:41:15:01 And we're not thinking as a one cell molecule.
13:41:18:03 We're not going after anything in the amphitheatre.
13:41:23:10 But it's not only the Sports Authority, but you have
13:41:27:18 other venues that if this falls, you have a tumbling
13:41:31:22 block of a domino effect including the international
13:41:35:12 airport and the Port of Tampa, of which all of them are
13:41:39:21 within the boundaries of the City of Tampa.
13:41:41:10 We're not looking to take anything out of Hillsborough
13:41:45:28 County.

13:41:47:00 Hillsborough County is doing well on their own and have
13:41:49:21 their own leadership.
13:41:51:01 And this is going to lead Hillsborough County, in my
13:41:54:00 judgment, and the people living there, to look at it as
13:41:57:12 a political way of saying, we're tired of what we have,
13:42:01:28 and we want to have a mayoral government.
13:42:05:16 This might be the start of something that they started
13:42:08:07 that they are all against and are going to have a
13:42:14:21 backlash on their own passage of judgment on taking
13:42:18:16 over something that rightfully belongs in the city
13:42:21:00 limits.
13:42:22:09 We certainly have contractual agreement with different
13:42:25:10 agencies in the county, and when we need them, they
13:42:28:09 show up and rightly so.
13:42:30:01 We also have contractual agreements between the city
13:42:33:13 and the county.
13:42:34:09 When they need us, we show up.
13:42:36:27 Some of them in Mr. Caetano's area at the fire station
13:42:41:00 where we service and do some parts of the areas that
13:42:43:24 are not ours, and we should do that.
13:42:47:00 We're not talking about anyone but human beings.
13:42:49:06 Those human beings should be covered not only by this
13:42:51:27 city and this county but every other supporting
13:42:54:27 municipality.
13:42:55:09 There are agreements to that effect.

13:42:57:15 But what they are doing is starting on the wrong foot,
13:43:02:09 and no one is going to win and we are all going to come
13:43:05:22 out limping off that same foot.
13:43:07:18 Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
13:43:09:21 >>GWEN MILLER: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
13:43:11:09 Mr. Smith, I'm very happy that you are looking into
13:43:13:16 this because, you know, they should not have been
13:43:16:10 brought up period.
13:43:17:28 It was given to the Tampa city fire rescue, and they
13:43:21:18 had been trained.
13:43:23:15 They have been doing it since the stadium has been
13:43:25:15 there.
13:43:25:27 Why the county -- have a part of it, I don't know why.
13:43:29:12 They don't need to have a part.
13:43:31:15 They weren't a part in the beginning.
13:43:33:03 Like Miranda said, we don't cross over into the county.
13:43:36:09 And I don't think they should come cross into the city.
13:43:39:06 We want what is ours.
13:43:41:00 They had an opportunity in the county to have a place
13:43:43:00 to do.
13:43:43:12 They turned it down.
13:43:44:21 But now they want to come and take part of this.
13:43:47:13 I don't think it's fair.
13:43:48:10 And I don't think we should let them take over and do
13:43:51:06 what they want to do.

13:43:53:12 I'm very happy that you'll look into this and do what
13:43:56:03 we can to keep our firefighters there doing their job
13:43:58:03 as they have been doing since the establishment of the
13:44:00:15 Raymond James Stadium.
13:44:01:15 They were awarded this contract, and they should keep
13:44:06:10 it.
13:44:06:15 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you.
13:44:07:25 And, of course, I do agree with both of my colleagues.
13:44:11:09 I will only say that is unfortunate that it has come to
13:44:16:03 this, and hopefully that we can resolve it.
13:44:19:15 The mindset of this community now is regionalism.
13:44:25:24 Working in regions.
13:44:26:21 We can't get along right here in Hillsborough County,
13:44:28:28 what makes you think we'll go to Pasco and all these
13:44:33:09 other counties to get along?
13:44:34:15 We need to consider that as well.
13:44:36:04 And I would only caution the county and the county
13:44:41:19 commissioners to walk very lightly on this issue or
13:44:44:27 with this issue, and recognize the jurisdictional
13:44:52:18 boundaries of the city, fire rescue.
13:44:55:00 And so hopefully that is what they would do, because
13:44:59:06 the issue is really even broader, because what would
13:45:03:01 prevent them at a future time from going to Plant City
13:45:06:00 or anywhere else in the county and taking over?
13:45:08:21 So that becomes a major issue for all of the

13:45:12:00 municipalities, not just City of Tampa, but also Temple
13:45:14:24 Terrace, Plant City and other areas where the county
13:45:19:00 does not have jurisdiction.
13:45:20:04 And so thank you, Mr. Smith, and those who are stepping
13:45:25:12 up and trying to resolve this.
13:45:27:03 Now, I understand that it's scheduled on the 7th at
13:45:29:24 the City Council.
13:45:31:04 I understand that you will appear on behalf of the
13:45:33:07 city.
13:45:34:00 And so I commend that.
13:45:36:06 Yes, sir.
13:45:36:19 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: One more time, Mr. Chairman.
13:45:38:19 I would like to ask the Legal Department, is there
13:45:40:16 anything that we should do today to further the cause
13:45:43:25 to make sure that this is remaining like it is?
13:45:47:07 Do we need a new ordinance?
13:45:49:15 Do we need anything else to circumvent the intent of a
13:45:52:24 takeover, a hostile takeover, if I may say --
13:45:55:12 [ LAUGHTER ]
13:45:56:10 -- of something that really when you look at things,
13:45:59:00 the land was all the city's.
13:46:02:13 It was donated to the county so that the other big
13:46:04:16 daddy didn't have to pay tax.
13:46:06:06 I'll be very sincere and frank with you.
13:46:07:27 That's how it happened.

13:46:09:12 What I'm saying is I don't want no mumbo jumbo.
13:46:12:00 I like to get right to the meat.
13:46:13:00 If I'm going to get beat up, I want it done in the
13:46:15:00 first round, not the 15th.
13:46:18:09 >>DAVID SMITH: David Smith, City Attorney.
13:46:19:22 Certainly, since I'll be in that ring, I would like to
13:46:22:10 be assured of an issue as possible.
13:46:26:00 And we are looking at that very possibility.
13:46:27:15 That may be one of the things we'll bring back and
13:46:30:06 recommend to this Council, that you consider what you
13:46:32:16 will be able to do as a legislative body for this city.
13:46:35:21 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: We don't need any action now, is
13:46:38:15 that what you're saying?
13:46:39:19 >>DAVID SMITH: No, sir.
13:46:40:15 I think it's good to be on record indicating your
13:46:43:16 concern and the fact that you don't believe this is the
13:46:48:27 correct action.
13:46:49:22 I think that's a good thing to say today.
13:46:51:21 But we can't move quickly enough to adopt an
13:46:54:09 ordinance --
13:46:55:09 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Mr. Chairman, along those lines, I
13:46:57:06 think we can ask for a motion from Council to pass a
13:47:01:24 resolution that we feel that the fire fighting and
13:47:04:18 health and safety of those individuals that attend the
13:47:07:12 events at the stadium, meaning the football stadium,

13:47:11:00 certainly have been covered by the City of Tampa since
13:47:13:24 the inception of the sport there, and that we continue
13:47:17:07 to have the City of Tampa's firefighters be the one
13:47:21:03 that's responsible for life safety and the pursuit of
13:47:24:15 happiness.
13:47:25:00 Anything that happens there to that event.
13:47:28:18 I don't know exactly how to word it.
13:47:30:24 Maybe you can help me.
13:47:31:24 >>JOSEPH CAETANO: That's good the way you did it.
13:47:34:18 I think you are looking for a TKO.
13:47:37:06 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: No, I'm not looking for a TKO.
13:47:39:21 I'm not even looking for a fight.
13:47:40:28 Since they threw sand in my face, this little skinny
13:47:43:00 Charlie may become Charles Atlas.
13:47:45:18 >>DAVID SMITH: Mr. Chairman, if I may, I think the
13:47:46:27 issue is that we continue to provide standby emergency
13:47:50:16 medical services.
13:47:50:27 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I would like to make it to the exact
13:47:52:27 wording that Mr. Smith just said.
13:47:54:12 >>JOSEPH CAETANO: Second.
13:47:55:22 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Anything else?
13:47:57:13 There's a motion on the floor.
13:47:58:18 Let me just say that at the last -- at the Sports
13:48:05:10 Authority meeting, it was voted along the
13:48:08:12 jurisdictional boundaries of the city and the county.

13:48:10:25 It was a 6-5 vote.
13:48:13:15 11 members on the board, five by the county, five out
13:48:16:27 of the city, and one by the state appointed by the
13:48:20:21 governor.
13:48:21:03 So that's what swung the 6-5 vote.
13:48:23:16 Mark Proctor.
13:48:26:12 That's where we are.
13:48:31:00 And the motion is for staff to bring back a
13:48:33:24 recommendation on this issue from the Sports Authority.
13:48:37:15 But I'm just giving you the history --
13:48:42:27 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
13:48:44:00 >>THOMAS SCOTT: That was my first meeting.
13:48:45:10 On the Sports Authority, I thought it was very calm.
13:48:49:24 But it was a highly contentious meeting, and
13:48:54:27 rightfully, I think that the city had good
13:48:57:21 representation there, and represented well.
13:49:01:27 >>JOSEPH CAETANO: I think Mr. Proctor should have gone
13:49:03:27 to the men's room at that vote.
13:49:06:00 [ LAUGHTER ]
13:49:08:04 >>THOMAS SCOTT: There's a motion.
13:49:09:00 All in favor, let it be known by aye.
13:49:10:27 Opposed the same sign.
13:49:12:04 So moved and ordered.
13:49:13:09 Item 73, item 74, Mr. Smith.
13:49:18:27 >>DAVID SMITH: Yes, sir.

13:49:20:03 Good afternoon again.
13:49:20:22 David Smith, City Attorney.
13:49:22:06 A couple of things, prefatory to our discussion, I want
13:49:28:10 to make sure I point out that Council is aware,
13:49:32:09 obviously, this will be on the ballot in a national
13:49:35:10 election year.
13:49:35:25 So it will be a rather full ballot.
13:49:37:28 Besides the national election, there will be seven
13:49:40:12 constitutional amendments being proffered by the State
13:49:42:25 of Florida.
13:49:44:03 There will be two county-initiated provisions as well,
13:49:49:25 and ours, as you know, comes last.
13:49:53:00 So this will be a rather full ballot.
13:49:56:10 It's sometimes difficult in trying the patience of the
13:50:00:16 voter when you are reading language that unfortunately
13:50:02:19 we lawyers tend to draft and trying to decide those
13:50:05:21 constitutional issues is not easy.
13:50:08:03 So I would just caution you, the simpler, more
13:50:11:06 straightforward we can keep these things, the easier
13:50:13:22 for the voter.
13:50:15:24 That is a concern that was expressed to me by the
13:50:18:06 Mayor, and she asked that I share with you that she has
13:50:21:00 that concern.
13:50:21:19 And I know some of you do as well.
13:50:23:28 Having said that, let me pass out a memorandum that has

13:50:28:18 the short form that you received.
13:50:30:21 But there's an attachment to it that was supposed to be
13:50:33:18 provided to you, and I don't know that you got it.
13:50:35:21 In what I have provided you, which will hopefully
13:50:51:16 assist in this deliberation of yours is a very succinct
13:50:55:16 summary on the front page of what I believe are the
13:50:58:28 five amendments that Council has indicated, at least at
13:51:04:24 the last discussion we had on this, that you wanted to
13:51:07:25 go forward with.
13:51:08:25 I'll go through those very briefly, and then I would
13:51:11:15 like to talk about the specific language.
13:51:14:12 The first amendment is an effort to arrive at gender
13:51:18:09 neutrality.
13:51:18:27 And so what we're doing is we're adding a provision
13:51:22:28 that indicates that the use of such terminology is
13:51:25:22 intended to be inclusive.
13:51:27:10 And that's a new addition.
13:51:29:24 Adding section 1.05.
13:51:31:15 Amendment number 2 deals with your provisions with
13:51:34:13 regard to the City Council attorney.
13:51:36:15 That is that you will hire the City Council attorney.
13:51:39:10 There will be no confusion with respect to whether he
13:51:42:12 or she is appointed from among existing city attorneys,
13:51:46:06 and there will be no confusion with regard to the fact
13:51:48:18 that that City Council attorney reports to you and

13:51:53:06 provides you his or her independent analysis.
13:51:55:15 And we'll go through that in a little more detail,
13:51:58:00 couple of nuances there.
13:51:59:15 Amendment number 3 is in a separate amendment to
13:52:02:16 section 2.04 and deals with their removal of the
13:52:06:03 mayoral approval of City Council staff positions and
13:52:10:03 their salaries.
13:52:10:21 That was -- and we'll look at the charter provision
13:52:13:12 specifically -- talks about other staff.
13:52:15:21 Amendment 4 is to amend section 9.01, and that is to do
13:52:20:15 away with the zoning adjustment board, which we do not
13:52:22:25 have.
13:52:23:10 And also to make it clear, there is a process by which
13:52:26:09 other boards are created, and that is pursuant to
13:52:28:18 ordinance, unless it's, of course, by state statute
13:52:31:27 which we comply with anyway.
13:52:33:21 Lastly is amendment number 5, which amends section 9.04
13:52:37:22 to specifically reference the ethics commission, which
13:52:41:00 this body created about four or five years ago.
13:52:44:21 Now, if I can, let me take you to the specific
13:52:48:06 language, because this sometimes generates discussion.
13:52:50:16 I don't think the first one, which you'll see it says
13:52:54:06 proposed amendment one, add new section 105.
13:52:57:21 One of the things you are obligated to do when you put
13:53:00:13 an item on the ballot for approval, you must provide a

13:53:03:24 summary of what the item seeks, and that cannot exceed
13:53:08:12 75 words.
13:53:09:18 So the first thing you read up there, we have to have a
13:53:12:10 title.
13:53:12:21 The title is pretty clear.
13:53:14:18 The summary, I think -- I think captures what we're
13:53:17:24 doing, at least in this case, it's not problematic.
13:53:21:18 And the specific change is to add 1.05 that says for
13:53:25:04 all purposes herein, when a gender-specific term is
13:53:29:06 used, it shall be deemed to include both genders
13:53:32:15 irrespective of the context.
13:53:34:00 I don't know whether you want to talk about these one
13:53:36:21 by one, move and vote or if you want to talk about them
13:53:40:03 all and come back.
13:53:42:15 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Well, I guess -- I think, though,
13:53:45:03 Mr. Smith, I think the first issue we need to
13:53:48:12 determine, are we prepared to move forward to place
13:53:51:27 this on the ballot?
13:53:53:15 I have some concerns.
13:53:54:18 I think that's the first issue we need to talk about.
13:53:57:06 Councilwoman Saul-Sena, councilwoman Miller,
13:54:02:01 councilwoman Mulhern.
13:54:03:24 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: My question for you, Mr. Smith, is
13:54:05:24 when you gave us these five, did you look at the
13:54:09:27 considerations that than provided Council about things

13:54:15:06 they would like to see on the ballot and did you not
13:54:17:22 include them purposefully or just not pay attention?
13:54:21:06 >>DAVID SMITH: We went through that discussion.
13:54:22:24 I can't recall if it was February or March when we had
13:54:24:16 the discussion with Council.
13:54:25:24 So what I did was, this Council made motions on
13:54:30:06 specific items to be included.
13:54:31:24 And I only included those that received four votes.
13:54:35:09 We discussed some of THAN'S provisions, as you may
13:54:38:12 remember, many of which were considered to be, albeit
13:54:41:04 it important, but not necessary to amend the charter to
13:54:44:13 do.
13:54:44:24 What I have brought back to you is what I recall was
13:54:48:21 the motion to this body approved by four votes.
13:54:52:27 >>GWEN MILLER: I think we need to sit back, think and
13:54:55:12 look at this positive like.
13:54:58:04 Because like we say, this November ballot is going to
13:55:00:15 be really, really, really crowded.
13:55:03:16 And we're at the bottom, whatever we put at the bottom,
13:55:07:24 people will not go down and read it.
13:55:10:10 You'll read so far and say forget it and stop voting.
13:55:13:27 I think we need to wait until the next election, 2010,
13:55:17:06 when we have a clear ballot and we can take our time,
13:55:20:12 go through everything we want to put on there, and make
13:55:23:03 sure it's the way we want it on there, and then that's

13:55:26:00 the time I think we need to vote.
13:55:27:28 Right now, I don't think we need to try to push it on
13:55:30:21 that ballot because it's not going to help us at all.
13:55:34:12 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Councilwoman Mulhern.
13:55:35:24 >>MARY MULHERN: I'm curious how we're talking about
13:55:38:15 this today.
13:55:39:10 I know that we had asked for this to come back.
13:55:43:13 Did we ask for this recently?
13:55:45:27 >>DAVID SMITH: Yes, ma'am.
13:55:46:16 It was on the agenda from the prior discussion.
13:55:49:27 >>MARY MULHERN: Oh, it's been continued for a while.
13:55:52:03 >>DAVID SMITH: Yes, ma'am.
13:55:52:25 >>MARY MULHERN: I don't think -- we're certainly not
13:55:57:22 ready to vote on this today because we haven't seen any
13:56:00:24 of this language, so we have to discuss it.
13:56:02:27 My feeling is that -- I guess we had whatever
13:56:10:07 discussion we had.
13:56:12:06 I didn't know we had arrived at even determining other
13:56:17:06 than -- the only thing I remember us agreeing to do was
13:56:21:27 the amendment to, as a Council, and maybe amendment 3.
13:56:30:27 The other things I don't think came from Council did
13:56:33:04 they?
13:56:33:12 They are coming from you?
13:56:36:15 >>DAVID SMITH: My recollection of the conversation, I
13:56:38:25 did review the transcript, was you're correct in the

13:56:41:13 sense that item two and three generated a lot of the
13:56:43:27 discussion.
13:56:44:09 But then there was a continuing discussion, I believe
13:56:47:18 councilman Dingfelder among others, who talked about
13:56:50:04 why don't we use this as an opportunity to clean up the
13:56:53:00 issues.
13:56:53:12 Now, we've looked at that as well.
13:56:55:03 And you've got another three or four things we can
13:56:57:10 clean up, but it's our opinion that you don't need to
13:57:00:09 do that.
13:57:00:28 For example, there's a discussion about seven days'
13:57:03:19 notice between ordinances.
13:57:04:27 Well, the state statute requires 10, so we're not going
13:57:09:03 to do something in between seven and ten.
13:57:12:12 So you don't need to make all those changes.
13:57:14:16 You may not even need to do the gender provision if you
13:57:17:18 don't want to.
13:57:18:15 Clearly, we don't discriminate on the basis of gender,
13:57:23:25 but you do clearly have hes and him throughout the
13:57:29:00 document.
13:57:29:07 So you're correct, the core issues as I recall them
13:57:33:15 were amendment two and amendment three.
13:57:35:03 Certainly amendment two I think there was a clear
13:57:37:19 consensus on.
13:57:38:04 There was a lot of discussion on three.

13:57:41:04 There may be four votes.
13:57:42:04 I don't know.
13:57:42:12 >>MARY MULHERN: I think we did have a consensus on
13:57:44:06 that.
13:57:44:16 I agree with you, I think we should put two on the
13:57:51:04 ballot.
13:57:53:12 I mean, we're talking about -- are we going to do it
13:57:57:07 this year, two years?
13:57:59:16 If we wait two years to ask for this to be on the
13:58:03:10 ballot, most of us won't be on Council if it should
13:58:07:06 pass to experience the difference.
13:58:09:15 If we're going to do it, we need to do it now.
13:58:15:10 My feeling is that number two -- I would be happy if we
13:58:17:03 just put number two on the ballot.
13:58:18:28 I don't remember the arguments for number three, you
13:58:21:21 know, if we have to.
13:58:22:21 But I kind of feel like the simpler, the better.
13:58:25:06 And if you just see one amendment, one issue in clear
13:58:31:15 language, then people are likely to vote on it.
13:58:33:25 That's my feeling.
13:58:36:10 And I know I've heard the argument about there's going
13:58:40:03 to be too much on the ballot this time, but there's
13:58:43:09 always too much on the ballot in Florida.
13:58:50:16 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
13:58:51:24 I think all of us know where each one of us is at on

13:58:55:06 these issues.
13:58:56:03 On item number 2, here again, and item number 3, here
13:59:00:16 again, we are becoming a miniadministration, and that's
13:59:04:28 not what the charter says.
13:59:06:19 A mayoral candidate, whoever that person is that gets
13:59:10:04 elected is the administrator of the city.
13:59:14:06 City Council members, whoever they are, that gets
13:59:16:09 elected, the legislative part of the city.
13:59:18:01 When item two comes on and when you turn the page and
13:59:22:27 it says, City Council may be or request any member and
13:59:26:18 shall do no work requested by the City Attorney.
13:59:29:19 Well, then the first question I ask myself is, how much
13:59:32:15 work have you asked our City Council attorney to do?
13:59:38:24 >>DAVID SMITH: The answer to that is I can't recall --
13:59:42:04 nothing directly.
13:59:43:07 What your current charter says, you have to coordinate
13:59:45:27 with the chair.
13:59:47:00 I can't remember if I asked Chair Gwen Miller at one
13:59:50:12 time whether it would be better for Marty to draft a
13:59:53:12 provision or not.
13:59:54:24 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'm reading what's in this thing.
13:59:59:01 Very little if any.
14:00:01:10 You have a good relationship from what I understand on
14:00:03:09 both sides.
14:00:04:06 Now we're getting involved in something that's working

14:00:06:22 and working right and saying, no, we'll change it
14:00:09:07 because that's the way we want it.
14:00:10:25 And that's what I quarrel with.
14:00:16:06 Not with the person but with the individualism of
14:00:19:04 projecting that I have the power to do what I want to
14:00:22:03 do.
14:00:22:15 You may do that, and you may have the power.
14:00:25:18 But somewhere along the line, like it was stated
14:00:28:06 earlier, some other Council members may say, what did
14:00:31:24 they do in 2008?
14:00:33:27 Well, my -- I'm not going to support that.
14:00:40:21 On amendment 3, when we talk about reduction in staff,
14:00:47:09 which I want to or not and I wish we didn't have to,
14:00:50:21 and I'm certainly all of us feel the same way, when
14:00:53:06 that happens, how in the world can I go back out and
14:00:56:25 tell the public, listen, you know what I did, we
14:01:00:09 reduced so many positions here, there, parks,
14:01:02:21 recreation, service people, guess what I've done?
14:01:07:27 I hired a budget analyst.
14:01:10:09 In the years that I had a budget analyst, guess what, I
14:01:12:27 didn't find anything wrong.
14:01:16:01 Not one thing wrong.
14:01:17:12 Now, maybe others have.
14:01:19:03 Maybe they were smarter than I was, but not once did I
14:01:23:13 find, are they hiding money next door?

14:01:25:27 I would say no.
14:01:27:15 There are internal auditors and external auditors, and
14:01:30:19 I want the public to understand this.
14:01:32:07 Internal and external who examine these books.
14:01:34:25 They find very little wrong.
14:01:37:12 They find some corrections that have to be made
14:01:40:16 according to better business practices within the
14:01:42:18 industry, but they have never found misappropriation of
14:01:46:21 funds.
14:01:47:06 So here again, we as a body want to say, we want this
14:01:51:22 because that's what I want.
14:01:53:00 That's what I want to do, and we're becoming more --
14:01:56:27 the charter on this one states already that you can
14:01:59:15 have one.
14:02:00:06 If I'm wrong, you correct me, please.
14:02:02:09 The charter says you can have a budget analyst.
14:02:05:15 So we're doing more and more things, and I just talked
14:02:10:06 about our relationship with another entity and
14:02:12:24 government within our own county.
14:02:14:00 That way I didn't mention their name.
14:02:16:10 Nobody gets offended.
14:02:18:01 I wonder why we have a bad relationship.
14:02:23:00 Let that person do their job.
14:02:24:15 Let us do our job.
14:02:27:21 And somewhere along the line, the public shall benefit.

14:02:30:19 When we do these things -- and what happens in politics
14:02:35:10 and what happens in things that go to the agenda, most
14:02:40:00 times public don't like to say no to anything because a
14:02:44:00 bad feeling.
14:02:44:25 You like the vote, yes.
14:02:46:10 The bullet train, yes.
14:02:47:15 Is it here?
14:02:48:10 No.
14:02:50:15 Small amendment passes.
14:02:51:15 Is it here?
14:02:52:10 Not quite.
14:02:53:03 Budget cuts down in different schools.
14:02:54:27 Are you going to have that?
14:02:56:15 I don't think so.
14:02:56:25 So what I'm saying, things are happening.
14:02:59:09 The public loves to vote yes.
14:03:00:28 I just feel that these two are going to be a roadblock
14:03:07:18 to whoever is here behind us, all of us, and whoever is
14:03:12:09 the administrator at that point in time, because by
14:03:14:16 that time, we may have a little over two years left, is
14:03:18:00 certainly going to feel different and the animosity
14:03:20:27 between two parts of one government within that one
14:03:23:00 government is going to be strained.
14:03:24:15 Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
14:03:27:06 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Let me just say that I do respect all

14:03:29:28 my colleagues' opinions.
14:03:31:09 I think one thing about being an elected official, you
14:03:34:04 have to learn to value your colleagues and their
14:03:39:06 opinion, because we all come from different backgrounds
14:03:42:03 and different experience.
14:03:44:22 I will tell you that the greatest country in the world
14:03:47:21 is America.
14:03:50:10 I will tell you the framers of our constitution are
14:03:55:10 very smart, knew what they were doing, that would allow
14:03:59:12 us at any point to shape or to change the constitution.
14:04:04:22 They put together a process and a system.
14:04:08:18 I will tell you that the State of Florida a few years
14:04:10:12 ago, you had elected.
14:04:12:01 You elected a secretary of state.
14:04:13:18 You elected school superintendent, all of that.
14:04:16:18 What happened?
14:04:17:00 That was changed by the vote of the voters.
14:04:22:06 You saw democracy in action is what you saw.
14:04:25:13 I will tell you today that what we are looking at doing
14:04:31:06 is trying to create something that perhaps could be
14:04:33:18 more effective.
14:04:35:00 Now, I will agree with councilwoman Mulhern on most of
14:04:38:21 this.
14:04:39:01 The only issue I think we need to be talking about from
14:04:42:21 my standpoint is issue number two.

14:04:44:21 The rest of these things become very convoluted and
14:04:48:28 confusing.
14:04:50:00 I will tell you today, today, on the ballot in November
14:04:52:21 is the county Mayor issue that would change that
14:04:56:09 charter.
14:04:56:21 There are those pros and those cons.
14:05:02:00 A few years ago as a county commissioner, I am the one
14:05:04:15 that put forth the language to change where the County
14:05:07:22 Attorney reported it to the administration and now
14:05:10:13 reports to the board of county commission.
14:05:13:07 I will also tell you that we added to the charter a
14:05:20:09 budget auditor that went to the voters, and the voters
14:05:23:21 approved that.
14:05:25:12 I'm saying there's nothing wrong with putting something
14:05:29:01 on the ballot, take it to the voters, see do the voters
14:05:32:12 approve of that and putting forth a system or a process
14:05:36:15 that can become very efficient and effective.
14:05:38:25 My whole goal here is not animosity.
14:05:42:12 My goal here is not to create some kind of war between
14:05:48:06 the legislative branch and the executive branch.
14:05:50:21 Let me tell you, I clearly understand those two, and I
14:05:53:10 respect that.
14:05:54:15 And so the issue here is -- and I think we have to
14:05:58:15 agree, in the language in the current charter, it is
14:06:01:06 not clear in terms of who hires City Council attorney.

14:06:07:04 Well, it is clear.
14:06:08:04 I guess it is.
14:06:09:00 It says pretty much the language is, is that you select
14:06:12:24 them and then they are pretty much, I guess -- we kind
14:06:18:25 of select them.
14:06:21:25 I think the language was.
14:06:22:21 I don't have the exact language before, but that's
14:06:25:27 pretty much how it says somewhere in the charter now.
14:06:28:24 That's why I'm saying that language is the one that
14:06:30:28 perhaps needs to be changed and -- that's the only one
14:06:34:15 I'm prepared to support.
14:06:35:21 Now, I am concerned about it being on the November
14:06:38:16 ballot.
14:06:39:01 I'm concerned about that.
14:06:40:06 But you raise a valid point, that the wait to '10 is a
14:06:45:27 long time out.
14:06:46:22 But all these other issues to me right now, probably
14:06:51:10 shift them back to the back burner and focus on the
14:06:54:00 most important one.
14:06:55:06 And the most important one out of all these here today
14:06:57:27 is number two.
14:06:59:00 That's the one I think is very important.
14:07:00:19 That's where I am.
14:07:04:03 But I do want my colleagues to understand, there's
14:07:07:19 nothing wrong with the democratic process of putting

14:07:10:21 things on the ballot to allow the voters to be able to
14:07:13:09 vote.
14:07:14:10 There's nothing wrong with changing the constitution of
14:07:16:15 the United States or the Florida constitution -- which
14:07:20:24 we did.
14:07:21:09 We changed the whole makeup of the electoral process or
14:07:27:01 the election of state officers in the State of Florida,
14:07:33:06 '92, somewhere in the '90s.
14:07:35:15 And I think that's what the intent is, to clarify,
14:07:40:21 clarify the charter on this particular issue.
14:07:42:15 So that is the issue that I'm prepared to support, if
14:07:44:15 you want to move forward.
14:07:46:00 Councilwoman Saul-Sena and then Mulhern.
14:07:50:00 >>MARY MULHERN: Well, I was just going to say, we had
14:07:51:27 all of this debate earlier.
14:07:53:21 And I think I don't want to rehash it, and I don't
14:07:56:27 think anyone is going to change their mind.
14:07:59:09 And I also think that we did have four votes, and one
14:08:03:27 of them is not here right now.
14:08:05:06 So what I would like to do is just continue this and
14:08:08:21 vote on what we want to do at our next meeting.
14:08:11:25 Otherwise, we're -- we may just have a tie vote.
14:08:19:03 >>THOMAS SCOTT: There's a motion to continue.
14:08:20:24 Is there a second?
14:08:22:12 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Thank you.

14:08:23:03 I agree with our Chairman, and I think that the voters
14:08:28:19 are certainly capable of grappling with one suggestion.
14:08:31:21 I'm serving this year on leadership Florida, and our
14:08:34:19 final meeting is the 15th, and I will not be here for
14:08:38:06 that Council meeting, so I'd prefer we put it on a date
14:08:41:12 where I will be here.
14:08:42:15 Next week I believe is a CRA meeting.
14:08:47:06 Do we want to schedule a Council meeting -- or we could
14:08:52:00 do it at the beginning of the evening meeting before
14:08:54:12 the zoning.
14:08:55:01 So it could be on the 8th at 6:00.
14:08:57:24 So I will second that motion.
14:09:03:00 >>DAVID SMITH: David Smith, City Attorney.
14:09:04:18 I certainly don't want to curb any deliberations.
14:09:08:06 I'm just curious whether you're sure you don't have
14:09:11:18 four votes to do that today, because you didn't make
14:09:13:24 that motion.
14:09:14:09 You didn't vote on it.
14:09:15:16 Maybe you are reading the tea leafs and reading them a
14:09:18:07 lot better than I am.
14:09:19:04 >>MARY MULHERN: Well, I don't want to risk that.
14:09:21:12 I mean, yeah, if we'll have a tie, I guess it doesn't
14:09:25:19 matter.
14:09:26:00 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Right.
14:09:26:27 You can always make a substitute to bring it back,

14:09:30:12 continue it.
14:09:33:04 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: To get this off the dime and
14:09:36:16 actually I like all of them, but I'm willing to support
14:09:38:28 my colleagues and the idea if we had to choose one,
14:09:41:09 number two is the most significant, that we allow
14:09:43:12 number two to move before the voters for a referendum
14:09:46:15 in November.
14:09:47:06 >>THOMAS SCOTT: The question I have, are you prepared
14:09:50:24 to remove your second to the original motion or this is
14:09:53:03 a -- well, can you make a substitute?
14:09:57:06 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I don't know if there was a second to
14:09:58:13 the motion.
14:09:58:24 >>MARY MULHERN: I'll remove my motion.
14:10:04:15 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Need a second?
14:10:07:03 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: To vote on this number.
14:10:09:16 >>MARY MULHERN: Second.
14:10:10:04 >>THOMAS SCOTT: It's been moved and seconded.
14:10:11:18 Moved by Councilwoman Saul-Sena.
14:10:13:18 Seconded by Mulhern.
14:10:14:18 All in favor, let it be known by aye.
14:10:16:13 Opposed?
14:10:16:28 4-2.
14:10:26:06 >>DAVID SMITH: If I could, I think that was to get it
14:10:28:09 to the next step.
14:10:29:06 I would like to walk you through the provision to make

14:10:32:00 sure --
14:10:33:03 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I want to make sure the vote is
14:10:34:22 recorded correctly.
14:10:37:18 >>THE CLERK: The motion carried 4-2 with Miller and
14:10:43:21 Miranda voting no.
14:10:50:00 >>THOMAS SCOTT: The motion as I understand it, place
14:10:52:21 number 2 on the ballot for November.
14:10:55:01 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: That was my intention.
14:10:58:12 >>DAVID SMITH: I would like to make sure we walk
14:11:00:25 through this, so I've got the language as you want it.
14:11:05:06 Well, I know you haven't had a chance to look through
14:11:10:12 this, I can tell you pretty quickly the changes are
14:11:12:21 really in the bottom part, and it deals with -- let me
14:11:16:15 just take --
14:11:17:15 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Mr. Smith, let me suggest -- you may
14:11:20:03 want to meet with us individually, get our thoughts on
14:11:22:13 that, and then we can -- you can place this back on the
14:11:26:04 agenda on the exact language.
14:11:29:15 Let me suggest that.
14:11:30:19 Those who want to meet with you, schedule a meeting and
14:11:35:27 go through it, and then you can place it back on the
14:11:40:01 agenda with the exact language.
14:11:41:09 Thank you very kindly.
14:11:45:09 We'll move now to item 81.
14:11:52:15 I'm going to continue that item to June 5th.

14:11:59:12 >> Move.
14:12:00:09 >> Second.
14:12:00:12 >>THOMAS SCOTT: All in favor, aye.
14:12:02:25 [Motion Carried]
14:12:03:10 Item 82.
14:12:05:25 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Mr. Chairman, due to the fact that
14:12:08:13 Mr. Dingfelder is not here, I would like to hold that
14:12:14:13 vote.
14:12:15:06 Forget the convention center.
14:12:16:12 We checked.
14:12:17:06 I think they told us it was booked.
14:12:19:07 But out of respect to our colleague, that this be
14:12:25:21 brought up when the full Council is here.
14:12:29:06 >>THOMAS SCOTT: So you are asking for a continuance on
14:12:31:00 this?
14:12:31:15 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Well.
14:12:32:15 Until the full Council is here.
14:12:34:03 Have another Council member out, from what I
14:12:38:16 understand --
14:12:39:12 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Move to June 5th, our first meeting.
14:12:42:03 Or you can have it on the 8th.
14:12:45:12 Well, that's packing it.
14:12:47:07 Now, Council, let me just say this.
14:12:50:27 And thank you, Mr. Miranda.
14:12:52:15 Thank you.

14:12:53:00 I appreciate that so very much.
14:12:54:04 Now, your motion said, I want to continue the item
14:12:58:19 until we have a full board here, and that
14:13:03:13 Mr. Dingfelder is not here.
14:13:05:06 Collegial courtesy.
14:13:07:15 Now, we just debated and discussed this issue when I
14:13:10:16 was here.
14:13:12:03 I left the meeting and it came back up and you all
14:13:15:09 voted on it.
14:13:16:09 I want the same courtesy and privilege as a member of
14:13:19:19 this board.
14:13:21:27 That's the second time that happened.
14:13:23:09 I left the meeting, and then you brought back an issue
14:13:26:07 and it passed.
14:13:28:03 I want you to know that every member of this board, of
14:13:34:24 this magnitude, that they were a part of, discussed at
14:13:39:03 length, should not be disrespected and not take -- it
14:13:43:22 should not have been taken back up once they leave the
14:13:46:10 meeting.
14:13:46:21 I think that's unfair to them.
14:13:48:10 I think that what happened on that particular, I wasn't
14:13:53:00 here.
14:13:53:12 I left the meeting.
14:13:54:19 It should have been an item that should have been
14:13:57:01 brought back up later.

14:13:58:04 I want you all to know, I'm taking note.
14:14:00:22 I'm taking note.
14:14:01:22 And then even in the past, if you noticed, an issue
14:14:06:06 placed on the agenda, one issue, and Council member
14:14:09:25 Mulhern wanted to continue the item.
14:14:12:21 The board was split.
14:14:14:07 I am prepared to allow you the opportunity to get your
14:14:17:00 questions answered.
14:14:18:03 I believe that when things come to this board and a
14:14:23:09 Council member does not have all their questions
14:14:25:03 answered, they should be afforded the opportunity to
14:14:27:09 get them answered.
14:14:28:13 I'm saying I want the same respect and the same
14:14:31:12 courtesy when it comes to these kinds of issues.
14:14:34:10 I don't mean for you to stop every issue.
14:14:38:09 The city can't function that way.
14:14:40:12 We have to continue.
14:14:41:06 But on an issue of this magnitude or an issue where I
14:14:45:01 am involved, I think it's only right to extend
14:14:47:12 collegial courtesy to have not taken the issue up until
14:14:51:03 we have a full board, as we are going to do today.
14:14:55:27 >>MARY MULHERN: And I don't mean to muck things up and
14:14:59:21 I was the one that brought it up after you left, and it
14:15:02:18 was probably not one of my brightest moves.
14:15:05:00 What I don't understand was, this was a motion

14:15:13:16 initiated by councilwoman Caetano, and I thought that
14:15:20:12 you had requested to have a revote.
14:15:25:15 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Clarification, the motion for a
14:15:27:07 reconsideration was Councilman Caetano.
14:15:31:06 The placement of the item on here was Councilman
14:15:34:03 Caetano.
14:15:34:21 The underlying motion, it does not state who made the
14:15:37:13 underlying motion.
14:15:38:13 So the way it's reading on the agenda was the placement
14:15:41:09 of this item for reconsideration was at the request,
14:15:45:18 and the motion initially by memo to this Council and
14:15:48:27 then by official motion and vote and seconded by
14:15:51:09 Mr. Miranda.
14:15:52:15 That's why it appears as Caetano-Miranda.
14:15:57:00 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Just for clarification, those watching,
14:15:59:06 we did not spell out what the issue is.
14:16:01:06 And that is that Council is discussing holding a
14:16:03:16 workshop on campaign budget reform at the Tampa
14:16:06:21 convention center.
14:16:07:21 So I need to make sure to state that for the record so
14:16:10:27 people know what we're talking about.
14:16:14:25 >>MARY MULHERN: I want to follow up because one of the
14:16:17:01 reasons that I brought this up after -- later in the
14:16:20:00 meeting, and I shouldn't have, because there wasn't a
14:16:22:21 full Council, but I was late in the meeting, not

14:16:26:10 thinking that clearly, but was one of the issues that
14:16:30:04 you brought up earlier that it hadn't gotten -- this
14:16:34:15 whole issue really hadn't gotten any kind of full
14:16:37:24 airing with our constituents in the city.
14:16:39:16 So to open it up to more people than just the people
14:16:43:03 that Mr. Dingfelder had been working with and talking
14:16:46:12 to.
14:16:46:27 So that's where it came from.
14:16:49:12 But I still don't -- not sure we even have to continue
14:16:52:12 it.
14:16:54:18 If the idea was to reconsider the vote, do you want to
14:16:58:15 wait and do that until John is here --
14:17:04:03 >>JOSEPH CAETANO: What was the vote?
14:17:05:07 Clerk, do you have the vote?
14:17:09:18 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: The vote was 3-3.
14:17:14:06 >> No, it was four --
14:17:16:19 >>THOMAS SCOTT: As I understand it, originally, the
14:17:20:18 whole campaign issue failed by a vote of 4-3.
14:17:23:18 I left the meeting to take a flight out of town.
14:17:26:09 It was brought back up.
14:17:29:16 5-2.
14:17:30:12 That's right.
14:17:30:24 5-2.
14:17:31:24 You're right.
14:17:33:12 5-2.

14:17:34:07 I left the meeting and then it came back up.
14:17:36:07 I don't know who brought it up.
14:17:43:06 >> It was me.
14:17:43:27 >>THOMAS SCOTT: And then it passed to have the workshop
14:17:46:00 at the Tampa convention center by a vote of 4-2.
14:17:53:27 >>GWEN MILLER: I'm confused then.
14:17:55:15 If it fails 5-2, how do we bring up a workshop after a
14:17:59:03 motion failed.
14:17:59:25 You can't have a workshop on something that has failed
14:18:01:25 already.
14:18:02:03 That shouldn't have even been on the record having a
14:18:04:16 workshop if the motion failed.
14:18:06:25 You didn't even revote on the motion to make sure --
14:18:11:24 have a workshop?
14:18:13:25 >>JOSEPH CAETANO: Mr. Chairman, Robert's Rules say when
14:18:17:07 you make a motion for reconsideration, it has to be at
14:18:19:25 the next regular scheduled meeting.
14:18:23:06 And I was given the courtesy last week because somebody
14:18:26:12 wasn't here, to bring it up this week.
14:18:28:09 And if we continue to do this, you may be sick a month
14:18:31:21 from now, you might be out for two weeks, and Charlie
14:18:34:18 might be out getting a hair transplant or something, I
14:18:39:18 want my motion to go forward, my motion for
14:18:42:06 reconsideration to go today.
14:18:46:13 Do we have a second?

14:18:49:06 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: In all due respect, I apologize for
14:18:51:13 anything that may or may not have happened.
14:18:53:28 I'm sure it was done out of not being disrespectful to
14:18:58:00 you, sir, but it happened that way.
14:19:00:00 However, if I recall the whole chain of events, and I'm
14:19:03:24 trying to memorize what happened, a Council member who
14:19:07:12 was not on the prevailing side made the motion to
14:19:10:21 reconsider the vote.
14:19:12:03 Am I correct?
14:19:14:18 >> No.
14:19:16:01 >> No.
14:19:18:00 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have 15 people yelling at me.
14:19:19:21 See, that's called disrespect.
14:19:22:00 You've got to take it easy.
14:19:23:19 Relax.
14:19:27:09 >>GWEN MILLER: I didn't open my mouth.
14:19:30:09 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Not you, ma'am.
14:19:31:09 So I finally woke somebody up, huh?
14:19:34:01 Thank you out there.
14:19:35:01 What I'm saying, these things that happen here, that's
14:19:38:06 why I'm going to bring you a coffee cup from John Wayne
14:19:43:24 next week if I can find them.
14:19:51:04 >>JOSEPH CAETANO: I made a motion to reconsider my vote
14:19:54:00 of April 17th.
14:20:01:06 >> Second.

14:20:02:15 >>THE CLERK: The city clerk has the motion that was
14:20:04:27 passed originally.
14:20:09:09 >>THE CLERK: Motion was made by Saul-Sena and Mulhern
14:20:12:16 that Council schedule a special workshop on May 29th
14:20:16:15 at 9 a.m. at the Tampa convention center to discuss
14:20:21:00 campaign finance reform.
14:20:23:06 The motion was carried with Miranda and Miller voting
14:20:26:07 no and Scott being absent at vote.
14:20:31:01 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: That same portion, if you go back
14:20:32:27 earlier on the prior vote which is on the same subject
14:20:35:19 matter, she was not on the prevailing side.
14:20:38:18 >> Who wasn't?
14:20:41:24 >>MARTIN SHELBY: A motion to reconsider brings up the
14:20:45:21 previous question that was on the table.
14:20:48:03 The question that was on the table at the time was
14:20:50:03 whether to direct the Legal Department to draft the
14:20:53:10 language that was provided by councilman Dingfelder and
14:20:56:07 whether to go forward there.
14:20:57:21 That is what I took the initial question to be.
14:21:01:12 Council member Saul-Sena did not make that motion or
14:21:03:25 did not make a motion to reconsider.
14:21:06:06 What she did may have been the same subject matter, but
14:21:09:21 this being under the period of new business was not the
14:21:12:24 original motion.
14:21:13:15 It was not her intent nor did the subject matter

14:21:18:06 initiate language with the Legal Department.
14:21:20:21 So as that came under new business, it appeared to be,
14:21:24:03 although bringing back the same subject matter, in a
14:21:26:18 different direction as to what the previous motion
14:21:28:27 would have been.
14:21:29:07 So I understand Council's position.
14:21:32:15 That's the way I had viewed it at the time.
14:21:34:27 I understand Council's concern, but whether the motion
14:21:37:01 in effect was out of order, I had considered the time
14:21:40:22 and because it was not, per se, a motion to reconsider
14:21:43:15 the previous question, I took that as new business.
14:21:47:01 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: If I may continue, sir?
14:21:49:03 I learned something today in parliamentary procedures.
14:21:51:25 If I lose during a Council meeting, I can bring it up
14:21:54:21 in new business.
14:21:56:00 >>MARTIN SHELBY: That's correct, sir.
14:21:57:00 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: We'll be here for a long time.
14:21:59:00 >>MARTIN SHELBY: The key, sir, is unfortunately, or
14:22:01:15 fortunately, for however you consider, somebody made a
14:22:03:21 motion, it was seconded.
14:22:05:03 It was considered by the body, and it passed as
14:22:07:13 official action as a vote of four.
14:22:09:13 And, obviously, whether that can be reconsidered, the
14:22:13:12 answer is, clearly, it can be.
14:22:14:22 And Council is doing that right now.

14:22:17:22 >>GWEN MILLER: We need to call for the vote.
14:22:20:13 >>MARY MULHERN: Now, I need to clarify this.
14:22:22:09 Because I brought the subject up as new business.
14:22:26:21 And I voted -- I wasn't trying to change my vote at
14:22:36:06 all.
14:22:36:18 What I was doing was giving respect to the subject.
14:22:41:01 Mr. Dingfelder had asked -- had written an ordinance
14:22:44:03 and asked us to pass it.
14:22:45:18 What I wanted to do was have a further public
14:22:51:00 discussion on the topic of campaign finance reform.
14:22:54:24 And that's why I brought it up in new business.
14:22:59:00 So I wasn't trying to change my vote or vote again.
14:23:03:15 I was trying to see if we could get some larger public
14:23:10:07 comment.
14:23:10:19 And probably didn't occur to me that you weren't here,
14:23:13:04 because you were someone who had suggested there hadn't
14:23:17:10 been enough public input to the subject.
14:23:19:13 Just to make it clear, I wasn't trying to change the
14:23:22:04 vote.
14:23:25:13 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Restate your motion, Mr. Caetano.
14:23:28:15 >>JOSEPH CAETANO: Reconsider my motion of April 17th
14:23:30:27 to schedule a workshop on campaign budget reform at
14:23:35:03 Tampa convention center.
14:23:36:09 So what we have to do first is to vote on this.
14:23:41:25 Then the motion will come before us again.

14:23:49:27 >>THOMAS SCOTT: But the issue becomes, it's a new day.
14:23:53:03 You don't even have to make a motion to reconsider.
14:23:55:15 You can make the motion to really now to just say --
14:23:59:00 >>JOSEPH CAETANO: No, Mr. Chairman.
14:24:00:07 Robert's Rules says, when you make a motion for
14:24:02:15 reconsideration, the motion must come before the body,
14:24:06:12 and we might not win.
14:24:09:01 Okay.
14:24:09:09 It might go down.
14:24:10:09 Then the motion has to come up again for another vote.
14:24:14:03 >>THOMAS SCOTT: There's a motion on the floor to
14:24:15:28 reconsider the prior vote of councilman Caetano.
14:24:19:12 Moved by him and seconded by --
14:24:23:24 >> Saul-Sena.
14:24:24:01 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Just clarification by our attorney.
14:24:27:21 So if you vote positive --
14:24:30:09 >>MARY MULHERN: We're voting now to reconsider.
14:24:32:01 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: -- then that's a vote for
14:24:33:27 reconsideration?
14:24:35:00 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Yes.
14:24:35:27 Let me see if I can explain this succinctly.
14:24:38:12 What Mr. Caetano is asking to do is to reconsider a
14:24:41:21 previous vote.
14:24:42:09 You can debate now whether you want to reconsider.
14:24:44:15 You don't have to.

14:24:45:15 The Council then votes.
14:24:47:13 If the vote passes, a vote yes is to reconsider.
14:24:52:16 Therefore, if that vote passes, then the initial
14:24:55:22 question is on the table again, and Council can revote
14:24:58:28 that however it chooses to do so.
14:25:01:10 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: So, traditionally, in deference to a
14:25:05:06 colleague who wants to change their mind we allow
14:25:07:13 reconsideration and then we vote on the original
14:25:09:06 question.
14:25:09:12 Thank you.
14:25:12:25 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Someone who is on the prevailing side
14:25:15:06 has the right to ask for reconsideration.
14:25:18:06 >>THOMAS SCOTT: All in favor of the motion, let it be
14:25:21:01 known by aye.
14:25:21:24 Opposed?
14:25:22:24 All right.
14:25:23:01 So moved.
14:25:23:21 So now you are back to the original motion.
14:25:26:28 Read the motion -- made by Councilwoman Saul-Sena, to
14:25:34:15 schedule a workshop.
14:25:37:01 >>MARY MULHERN: I seconded it.
14:25:41:00 >> Call the question.
14:25:43:24 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Well, the dilemma I have is that you
14:25:46:16 have a colleague that's not here who was here during

14:25:49:03 that discussion.

14:25:50:18 And I can't support the motion because he's not here,
14:25:54:28 and, you know, he was a part of that discussion.
14:25:57:27 That's why I agree with Mr. Miranda.
14:26:00:06 He was not here so in deference to him, he should be
14:26:02:25 here when we discuss this issue.
14:26:04:06 >>JOSEPH CAETANO: So we'll have to do this on every
14:26:07:18 issue that comes up when somebody is out sick.
14:26:11:10 >>THOMAS SCOTT: No.
14:26:12:06 Today -- we took care of a lot of business today, and
14:26:16:09 he was not here.
14:26:17:03 Is that right?
14:26:18:01 >> That's right.
14:26:18:16 >>THOMAS SCOTT: But this is a major issue that he was a
14:26:20:24 part of.
14:26:22:06 >>JOSEPH CAETANO: Right, I understand.
14:26:23:24 >>THOMAS SCOTT: And I think that out of a courtesy to
14:26:27:00 him, he needs to be here for this discussion.
14:26:29:03 That's the only thing I'm saying.
14:26:31:06 >>MARTIN SHELBY: May I, Mr. Chairman, make a
14:26:33:09 suggestion.
14:26:33:21 Robert's Rules of Order does not require you to
14:26:35:24 necessarily take it up today.
14:26:37:07 It is now reconsidered -- the original motion is back.
14:26:41:18 If -- for instance, if Council intends to be here next
14:26:44:27 week at the night meeting, Council it choose to put it

14:26:47:03 on at next week's night meeting at 6:00 if it wishes.
14:26:50:16 But the motion -- the original motion can then be put
14:26:54:03 back to what is at Council's convenience.
14:26:57:09 >>JOSEPH CAETANO: We don't have to reconsider it today.
14:26:59:15 It's dead now.
14:27:00:18 It's off the table, correct?
14:27:02:27 >>MARTIN SHELBY: It does not exist.
14:27:04:09 It hasn't been voted on now.
14:27:05:27 Reconsidering it.
14:27:07:15 >>MARY MULHERN: Can I make a motion then -- do we have
14:27:09:22 a motion on the floor already?
14:27:11:04 No, okay.
14:27:13:27 >>MARTIN SHELBY: You have this motion right now.
14:27:18:21 >>MARY MULHERN: We just leave it and then bring it
14:27:20:27 back.
14:27:21:15 Okay.
14:27:25:12 >>GWEN MILLER: Mr. Shelby, you say that the convention
14:27:27:19 center is not available, so how --
14:27:30:27 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I have been informed that the
14:27:32:28 convention center is not available.
14:27:34:13 I also understand that with Ms. Saul-Sena being out on
14:27:37:25 the 15th, the next available meeting is June 5th,
14:27:41:01 the next regular meeting, but, of course, this motion
14:27:43:04 is for the 29th of May.
14:27:49:21 >>GWEN MILLER: If -- why are we voting on something

14:27:55:01 where we can't even go.
14:27:57:10 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Let me suggest we bring that -- the
14:28:01:00 issue at this point, we don't need to discuss it,
14:28:03:25 because our colleague is not here.
14:28:05:18 My suggestion is that we move with the agenda.
14:28:07:21 We take that up when we have a full Council.
14:28:11:16 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: May 8th at 6:00.
14:28:14:07 That's my motion to put it on the agenda not for
14:28:17:18 discussion but vote, May 8th at 6:00.
14:28:20:28 >>MARY MULHERN: Second.
14:28:23:27 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Moved and seconded that this item,
14:28:26:15 whether to hold a workshop at the convention center,
14:28:29:03 wherever, be placed on our agenda for May 8th at
14:28:32:12 6 p.m.
14:28:39:13 >>GWEN MILLER: We're going to vote on it --
14:28:41:24 >>THOMAS SCOTT: We'll vote May 8th here to decide
14:28:45:24 whether you'll have that or not.
14:28:48:24 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Mr. Chairman, in all reference to
14:28:50:06 all of us and those people watching, those people in
14:28:52:13 the audience, we have belabored this discussion on
14:28:56:24 campaign reform, if it was the number one issue in the
14:29:00:16 City of Tampa.
14:29:01:01 When people are going hungry, when people are having
14:29:05:16 trouble meeting their obligations, when foreclosures
14:29:09:03 are high, when things are not working well for the

14:29:12:04 average human being in the city because of the economic
14:29:15:01 condition that we're at, we're sending signals that the
14:29:18:15 most important thing in the world is campaign reform.
14:29:20:24 Lawton Chiles changed that law and he himself didn't
14:29:25:12 abide by the change because he went much lower.
14:29:28:25 So, I mean, this is not -- it's an important to issue
14:29:32:03 to maybe some of us, but it's not the most important
14:29:35:19 issue in the city, I can grant you that.
14:29:37:19 I'm not going to go to the convention center even
14:29:40:21 though I was the originator of that location.
14:29:43:04 You know, I'll have to borrow the $600 again to show
14:29:47:13 where the money came and went from 100 to 500.
14:29:51:12 >>GWEN MILLER: You forget to mention, too, we don't go
14:29:54:00 to the convention center free.
14:29:56:01 We have to pay to use the convention center.
14:29:58:00 We're going to spend money to go to the convention
14:30:02:21 center when we could use the money for something else?
14:30:05:09 >>THOMAS SCOTT: The motion -- just vote on the motion
14:30:08:00 on May 8th.
14:30:09:06 That's the motion, is that right?
14:30:10:18 >> Yes.
14:30:10:25 >>THOMAS SCOTT: All in favor of the motion.
14:30:12:18 Opposed?
14:30:17:06 >> Nay.
14:30:17:21 >>GWEN MILLER: Nay, we need to vote on it today.

14:30:20:18 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried with Miller and Miranda
14:30:23:06 voting no.
14:30:26:15 >>THOMAS SCOTT: May 8th, this will be placed on the
14:30:28:22 agenda just for the vote.
14:30:30:07 No discussion, just on the vote.
14:30:33:18 Okay.
14:30:34:00 We are now into our public hearing.
14:30:36:01 I believe that's all of our issues.
14:30:38:04 Item 84.
14:30:48:21 >> This is to allow spending up to 50% --
14:30:52:21 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Move to open, Mr. Chairman, number
14:30:54:24 84.
14:30:56:00 84, 85, 86.
14:31:01:15 >>THOMAS SCOTT: All in favor, aye.
14:31:02:19 So moved and ordered.
14:31:03:24 Anyone here want to address Council on either of these
14:31:08:10 items?
14:31:08:21 84, 85, 86?
14:31:12:12 >>GWEN MILLER: Move to close.
14:31:13:18 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Second.
14:31:14:06 >>THOMAS SCOTT: All in favor, let it be known by aye.
14:31:16:10 Mr. Miranda.
14:31:17:27 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I move to adopt the following
14:31:20:27 ordinance upon second reading.
14:31:22:22 Ordinance of the City of Tampa, Florida, amending City

14:31:25:03 of Tampa Code of ordinances chapter 25, transportation;
14:31:28:00 section 25-72, use of funds, providing for
14:31:30:25 severability, providing for repeal of all ordinances in
14:31:33:19 conflict, providing an effective date.
14:31:34:15 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Record your vote, please.
14:31:49:03 >>THE CLERK: The motion carried unanimously with
14:31:51:13 Dingfelder being absent.
14:31:53:21 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Anyone want to address Council on item
14:31:55:24 85?
14:31:56:24 Anyone want to address Council on item 85?
14:31:59:12 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Move to close.
14:32:00:09 >>THOMAS SCOTT: All in favor, let it be known by aye.
14:32:02:21 >>GWEN MILLER: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
14:32:03:28 I move ordinance to adopt for second reading.
14:32:05:27 An ordinance of the City of Tampa, Florida, amending
14:32:07:27 the City of Tampa Code, section 25-74(A)(6) to
14:32:12:27 reinstate and authorize the no transportation impact
14:32:15:10 fee exempt zones for a portion of West Tampa and East
14:32:18:04 Tampa as more particularly described in the City of
14:32:21:03 Tampa Code section 25-74(A)(6); providing for an
14:32:25:10 effective period of three years commencing October 19,
14:32:28:13 2007, providing for repeal of all ordinances in
14:32:31:12 conflict; providing for severability; providing an
14:32:33:16 effective date.
14:32:34:15 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Record your vote.

14:32:42:28 >>THE CLERK: The motion carried unanimously with
14:32:45:15 Dingfelder being absent.
14:32:48:06 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Anyone here want to address Council on
14:32:50:03 item 86?
14:32:51:24 All in favor, let it be known by aye.
14:32:55:00 Councilwoman Saul-Sena.
14:32:56:06 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Thank you.
14:32:57:06 I would like to move the following ordinance for
14:32:59:04 adoption after second reading.
14:33:00:07 An ordinance of the City of Tampa, Florida, amending
14:33:02:18 the City of Tampa Code section 25-74(A)(6) to authorize
14:33:07:13 the extension of the no transportation impact fee
14:33:10:10 exempt zones for a portion of Ybor City as more
14:33:13:04 particularly described in the City of Tampa Code
14:33:15:03 section 25-74(A)(6), providing for an effective period
14:33:19:28 of three years, commencing May 15, 2008; providing for
14:33:24:03 repeal of all ordinances in conflict; providing for
14:33:26:27 severability; providing an effective date.
14:33:28:03 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Record your vote.
14:33:37:07 >>THE CLERK: The motion carried unanimously with
14:33:39:06 Dingfelder being absent.
14:33:42:13 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Okay.
14:33:43:03 We will move now to our public hearings on second
14:33:45:27 reading.
14:33:46:12 Anyone here going to speak to Council or address any of

14:33:50:15 the items 87 through 90, would you stand to be sworn,
14:33:54:22 please?
14:33:57:27 (Oath administered by clerk).
14:34:06:09 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Mr. Chairman, members of Council, I
14:34:07:27 ask that all written communications relative to today's
14:34:10:07 hearings which have been available for public
14:34:11:21 inspection in City Council's office be received and
14:34:13:21 filed into the record at this time by motion, please.
14:34:16:13 >>MARY MULHERN: So moved.
14:34:17:03 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Second.
14:34:17:21 >>THOMAS SCOTT: All in favor, let it be known by aye.
14:34:19:21 Opposed, so moved.
14:34:20:18 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Secondly, please, a reminder, Council,
14:34:23:06 if you had any ex parte communications about any of the
14:34:25:24 hearings today, please disclose those ex parte
14:34:28:12 communications prior to the vote.
14:34:29:27 Finally, ladies and gentlemen, there is a sign-up sheet
14:34:32:21 outside that we ask that you do sign and please
14:34:34:19 reaffirm that you have been sworn when you state your
14:34:36:24 name.
14:34:37:01 Thank you.
14:34:38:15 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Item 87.
14:34:40:09 Anyone here want to address Council on item 87?
14:34:47:22 >>GWEN MILLER: Move to close.
14:34:49:18 >> Second.

14:34:50:00 >>THOMAS SCOTT: All in favor, let it be known by aye.
14:34:53:09 [Motion Carried]

14:34:53:27 >>JOSEPH CAETANO: An ordinance being presented for
14:34:55:27 second reading, an ordinance making lawful the sale of
14:34:59:13 beverages containing alcohol of more than 1% by weight
14:35:01:24 and not more than 14% by weight and wines regardless of
14:35:05:15 alcoholic content, beer and wine, 2(COP-X) for
14:35:09:25 consumption on the premises only at or from a certain
14:35:14:21 lot, plot or tract of land located at 11408 north
14:35:19:03 30th Street, Tampa, Florida as more particularly
14:35:22:12 described in section 2 hereof; waiving certain
14:35:25:19 restrictions as to distance based upon certain
14:35:28:06 findings; providing for repeal of all ordinances in
14:35:31:06 conflict; providing an effective date.
14:35:36:15 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Second.
14:35:37:00 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Record your vote.
14:35:47:19 >>THE CLERK: The motion carried unanimously with
14:35:50:06 Dingfelder being absent and Miranda being absent at
14:35:54:00 vote.
14:35:54:07 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Anyone here want to address Council on
14:35:56:21 item 88?
14:36:06:25 >> Hello.
14:36:07:15 My name is Janice Williams.
14:36:08:25 I'm with the old West Tampa Neighborhood Association
14:36:11:12 crime watch.

14:36:12:00 I just need clarification on something, please.
14:36:15:27 I wish the restaurant well, but during these uncertain
14:36:23:03 economic times, if the restaurant should close or
14:36:29:10 change its vision for use at that location, can a bar
14:36:34:15 replace the restaurant without your approval or
14:36:37:24 community input?
14:36:38:19 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Okay.
14:36:39:15 Legal.
14:36:42:10 >>REBECCA KERT: Rebecca Kert, Legal Department.
14:36:44:00 The request is for a 2(COP-R).
14:36:46:22 So the wet zoning only exists as long as it's operating
14:36:50:18 as a restaurant.
14:36:51:10 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Okay.
14:36:52:06 Anyone else?
14:36:53:09 Motion to close?
14:36:55:15 >>GWEN MILLER: Move to close.
14:36:57:09 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Second.
14:36:57:27 >>THOMAS SCOTT: All in favor, let it be known by aye.
14:36:59:21 [Motion Carried]
14:37:00:22 Council member Mulhern.
14:37:02:04 88.
14:37:06:12 >>MARY MULHERN: I move an ordinance being presented for
14:37:08:09 second reading.
14:37:09:00 An ordinance making lawful the sale of beverages
14:37:11:06 containing alcohol of more than 1% by weight and not

14:37:15:09 more than 14% by weight and wines regardless of
14:37:18:01 alcoholic content, beer and wine, 2(COP-R) for
14:37:21:22 consumption on the premises only in connection with a
14:37:24:04 restaurant business establishment on that certain lot,
14:37:26:03 plot or tract of land located at 1714 north Armenia
14:37:29:21 Avenue, suite A, Tampa, Florida, as more particularly
14:37:32:21 described in section 2 hereof; waiving certain
14:37:35:07 restrictions as to distance based upon certain
14:37:38:01 findings; providing for repeal of all ordinances in
14:37:40:21 conflict; providing an effective date.
14:37:43:09 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Record your vote, please.
14:37:45:06 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Second.
14:37:54:12 >>THE CLERK: The motion carried unanimously with
14:37:56:15 Dingfelder being absent and Miranda being absent at
14:37:59:13 vote.
14:38:01:10 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Item 89.
14:38:03:01 Anyone here want to address Council?
14:38:06:01 Anyone here want to address Council?
14:38:20:16 >> Good afternoon.
14:38:21:09 My name is Deborah Rhodes.
14:38:23:18 I am a resident.
14:38:24:18 I was sworn in, and I'm a resident of the Old Hyde Park
14:38:27:24 Village, 1641 West Snow Circle.
14:38:31:00 We only found out about today's meeting within the last
14:38:34:21 couple of days.

14:38:35:27 In the last meeting -- I'm sorry, Mr. Dingfelder is not
14:38:39:06 here.
14:38:40:04 His concerns were very legitimate.
14:38:41:24 Ms. Mulhern has been recently at the facility and was
14:38:46:09 very cognizant of the fact that there was a lot of
14:38:49:00 noise caused by this new concrete area.
14:38:52:00 Residents have had a number of e-mails flying back and
14:38:54:24 forth.
14:38:55:09 We are very concerned about the noise.
14:38:56:28 We have a noise issue.
14:38:58:00 We have a smell issue coming from the wine exchange.
14:39:01:04 We know that that was previously approved.
14:39:03:25 We're not complaining.
14:39:05:06 We just know that it exists.
14:39:07:07 This will exacerbate it.
14:39:08:27 We can expect yet another restaurant be approved in
14:39:12:19 whatever time frame for yet another restaurant that
14:39:15:03 will be under our bedroom and public space areas in our
14:39:18:16 condo residence.
14:39:20:07 We are literally above.
14:39:22:04 One of the residents is very concerned because her unit
14:39:26:12 is directly above this proposed bar or if at best
14:39:29:10 liquor store, if you sell 500 beers, whether you serve
14:39:32:09 other food or not, it's either a liquor store or a bar.
14:39:35:27 One of our concerns is safety and security.

14:39:38:00 At the last reading, we noticed that the police
14:39:41:22 department had a concern in regard.
14:39:44:13 We are not aware of it, but we are also concerned.
14:39:47:16 This place is right next to our front door.
14:39:49:27 The only access to which our guests can enter and make
14:39:53:15 themselves known to us, and we do not even have a
14:39:56:03 system by which we have a visual contact, it is a
14:39:59:07 buzzer system.
14:40:00:15 The number of bathrooms.
14:40:02:03 There are two stalls in the women's room.
14:40:04:06 I didn't check the men's room today, but there are two
14:40:07:01 stalls in the public rest room that is adjacent or
14:40:10:06 nearby on the other side of the Color Me Mine facility.
14:40:16:00 Two stalls for women.
14:40:17:03 This is going to be 2500 feet of selling alcohol and
14:40:19:13 food.
14:40:20:01 I'm sorry, when you go to a restaurant, a lot of times
14:40:22:01 you need to go to the bathroom.
14:40:23:24 The Color Me Mine people suggest it might be an okay
14:40:27:25 neighbor.
14:40:28:10 They are in favor, but they are looking at it as being
14:40:31:09 able to enhance their business.
14:40:33:09 We are looking at it as residents.
14:40:35:04 This is under our bedrooms.
14:40:36:24 These are smells.

14:40:38:21 The lease calls for not unpleasant smells.
14:40:43:18 Who is deciding what those unpleasant smells are?
14:40:46:27 We consider smoke unpleasant.
14:40:49:03 This is coming in our bedrooms.
14:40:50:22 We read the transcript.
14:40:55:24 There are still a lot of concerns.
14:40:57:04 We were not contacted directly.
14:40:58:27 If our association was contacted, it was contacted --
14:41:04:22 and we didn't necessarily get the entirety of that
14:41:07:15 communication.
14:41:07:25 We were not aware that this would be a bar, restaurant,
14:41:11:00 or any other food-serving facility until the last few
14:41:14:06 days.
14:41:14:18 We were of the impression it would be that upscale
14:41:17:22 boutique type retail business that is supposed to be
14:41:22:06 going into the village and would be carry-out
14:41:26:19 packaging.
14:41:27:15 No, no, no.
14:41:28:15 We're finding out yet this is another one.
14:41:31:18 This is number 10 of food service in the village.
14:41:35:21 With the anticipation we're going to get yet another
14:41:37:16 one that's even larger, at least on the scale of the
14:41:40:18 wine exchange.
14:41:41:25 That's what we've been told right from the get-go.
14:41:44:06 This will put underneath our residents.

14:41:47:10 It will put four.
14:41:49:12 This will be one, two, three -- this will be the third
14:41:52:10 going in now and potentially there will be a fourth
14:41:56:04 one.
14:41:56:15 The noise issue has not been addressed.
14:42:01:09 The lights we won't even talk about.
14:42:02:28 Again, security is one of our concerns, safety.
14:42:05:19 Garbage.
14:42:07:22 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you.
14:42:08:19 Councilwoman Saul-Sena and councilman Miranda.
14:42:14:06 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Ma'am, could you come back?
14:42:16:16 I have a question.
14:42:17:09 Did you live -- I'm not exactly clear on the location
14:42:22:07 of this.
14:42:22:18 Is it where the old sort of Tex-Mex restaurant used to
14:42:27:27 be?
14:42:28:19 >> I've only been in Tampa since last June.
14:42:31:06 To my knowledge, no.
14:42:31:27 This is literally next to -- are you familiar with --
14:42:34:13 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Yes.
14:42:35:16 >> In that little area where Color Me Mine, the pottery
14:42:40:25 store, this is next to them.
14:42:42:06 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Used to be village threads,
14:42:44:16 Georgette's.
14:42:46:24 >> I don't know.

14:42:47:24 I've only been here since June.
14:42:51:03 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I've been around since forever, and
14:42:53:09 there used to be this great Tex-Mex restaurant kind of
14:42:57:00 on the corner there.
14:42:58:21 My question is, though, when you -- I assume -- are you
14:43:04:00 in a place that you own?
14:43:05:15 >> I own.
14:43:06:03 I purchased last year.
14:43:08:24 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: When you bought this, what was your
14:43:10:27 expectation about what was going to be there and what
14:43:15:15 was it based on?
14:43:17:06 Mr. Wasserman was pretty clear to us that one of the
14:43:20:00 ways that he was going to activate this whole area was
14:43:22:18 by having a variety of restaurants.
14:43:25:12 >> Okay.
14:43:26:00 I was informed that underneath my bedroom would be a
14:43:30:18 restaurant that was breakfast, lunch and dinner.
14:43:33:16 I initiated concerns about the fact that -- what time
14:43:37:27 are they going to start serving business and therefore
14:43:40:13 what time will they start clanging units underneath my
14:43:44:21 bedroom window.
14:43:45:27 That's the big space next to or adjacent to the Wine
14:43:49:18 Exchange in that triangular building that faces West
14:43:53:28 Snow Avenue.
14:43:54:21 This is back in the corner, back at the area where the

14:43:57:18 retail stores are that is literally underneath --
14:44:02:16 literally underneath our condos, not across from.
14:44:05:22 As I say, the one resident who is above is very
14:44:09:00 concerned about insulation.
14:44:10:09 She's concerned about a fire hazard.
14:44:12:09 She's concerned about smells coming up through.
14:44:15:16 The noise that comes up through the building.
14:44:17:16 I'm literally on top -- they spent extensive money to
14:44:21:24 put in insulation and soundproofing.
14:44:24:09 You know what?
14:44:25:01 They did a good job.
14:44:26:09 But there's no provision in here for anything like
14:44:30:21 that.
14:44:31:06 This is in that same triangular external part as
14:44:35:06 opposed to the piece that you're discussing.
14:44:38:18 Yes, I was aware of the one that was going to come in
14:44:41:06 under my bedroom window, although I was not
14:44:43:09 anticipating it would have outside seating under my
14:44:46:03 bedroom window.
14:44:47:16 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Okay, ma'am.
14:44:48:16 We really have to move.
14:44:50:04 Councilman Miranda and then Mulhern.
14:44:52:04 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Are there any other speakers,
14:44:54:04 because I'm ready to move on this item to deny.
14:44:59:24 >>MARY MULHERN: I was just going to ask that I'm sorry

14:45:04:06 you weren't able to come to the first hearing, because
14:45:07:24 we did want to hear from people, and there just wasn't
14:45:10:22 anyone here.
14:45:12:15 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Based on the petitioner's letter.
14:45:14:12 >>MARY MULHERN: But I'm concerned and I think
14:45:17:21 permitting or Land Development needs to look at this
14:45:19:24 area, because I know that the rezoning was approved,
14:45:27:09 but I don't remember -- and maybe this happened before
14:45:30:21 I was on Council, but what used to be stores in that
14:45:34:21 area right across the street from where the beer garden
14:45:38:15 is asking to go in, a whole a lot of square footage has
14:45:45:00 been knocked down and turned into patio or just cement.
14:45:49:18 So it looked -- when I saw it before I even knew about
14:45:54:09 this zoning coming up, it looked to me like this was
14:45:57:00 going to be outdoor.
14:45:58:13 It looked like, oh, I guess this is going to be outdoor
14:46:01:12 restaurants.
14:46:01:24 That's what it looks like is coming.
14:46:03:22 So I'm concerned that there's going to be more and more
14:46:07:09 of this, and we need to make sure that these residents
14:46:13:09 at the very least, that they know about it.
14:46:19:00 >> Good afternoon, Chairman and members of the Council.
14:46:21:25 My name is Graham Carothers.
14:46:23:06 I am an attorney at Schumaker, Loop & Kendrick.
14:46:25:00 101 East Kennedy Boulevard, Suite 2800 here in Tampa.

14:46:28:18 For the record, I have been sworn.
14:46:30:03 Just very briefly.
14:46:31:09 I'm here on behalf, not of the applicant but on behalf
14:46:35:00 of Wasserman real estate capital, which is the owner of
14:46:38:00 Hyde Park village.
14:46:38:28 As such, will be the landlord of this applicant.
14:46:41:21 I wanted just to clarify a couple of things, which were
14:46:45:24 raised by Ms. Rhodes.
14:46:47:09 First of all, she indicated that she just found out
14:46:50:03 about this a couple of days ago.
14:46:51:18 In fact, she did receive the notice that went to all of
14:46:55:15 the residents within the required number of feet.
14:46:59:00 The association, the condo association was, in fact,
14:47:01:21 made aware of it.
14:47:03:09 It's been in the Hyde Park village newsletter.
14:47:05:24 In order to get in and out of the condo units, since
14:47:09:25 late October, early November, you had to walk past two
14:47:12:13 big signs that are about as tall as I am both of which
14:47:16:06 say coming soon, International Beer Garden.
14:47:19:07 The residents have known about it.
14:47:21:13 It's been very clear.
14:47:22:15 And there has been no objection raised whatsoever with
14:47:26:16 the folks from Wasserman from any of the other tenants
14:47:29:15 or the owners of the condos until just a couple of days
14:47:32:03 ago.

14:47:32:10 The only other point that I would like to make is that
14:47:34:21 it seems as if Ms. Rhodes' concerns are really more
14:47:38:18 operational than they are dealing directly with this
14:47:42:09 wet zoning.
14:47:43:04 A restaurant could go into that space tomorrow with no
14:47:46:00 liquor license and emanate smells from the kitchen and
14:47:54:12 it's part of the deal.
14:47:55:18 It really has nothing to do with the wet zoning before
14:47:58:16 you today to the extent that odor might be a problem
14:48:01:10 coming from a kitchen.
14:48:02:18 Lastly, keep in mind, please, this is one of just a
14:48:09:03 very, very few handful of properties within the City of
14:48:12:12 Tampa that the city has designated as an urban village.
14:48:16:21 That's the whole point of Hyde Park village and places
14:48:19:25 like it, is that it's a wide variety of mixed uses.
14:48:24:00 It's a vibrant urban center for live and work and
14:48:28:15 entertainment.
14:48:31:24 So I think this probably goes to the question asked by
14:48:34:15 Councilwoman Saul-Sena, what did she expect?
14:48:38:24 This is really kind of the whole point living in a
14:48:41:21 community like this.
14:48:42:13 And we each have those choices to make.
14:48:46:09 This is exactly the kind of tenant that Hyde Park
14:48:49:06 village needs.
14:48:49:25 Back in that kind of corner that doesn't have any

14:48:52:00 direct street frontage.
14:48:54:00 It's a draw for something other than a purely retail
14:48:58:28 clothing store or other merchant that will draw, we
14:49:01:15 think, perhaps different crowd than has been drawn to
14:49:05:28 Hyde Park Village before, and contribute in a very
14:49:09:10 positive way towards the activation of that back corner
14:49:14:15 and positively contribute to revitalizing.
14:49:18:15 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Let me stop you right there.
14:49:20:22 I think it's important -- Mr. Miranda, do you want to
14:49:23:12 read that?
14:49:25:06 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'll read this.
14:49:26:06 It says commissioners of City of Tampa, which are
14:49:30:00 Council members, I would imagine.
14:49:31:07 Upon your request that we correspond with the owners of
14:49:35:12 the adjoining second floor condo residents of our lease
14:49:39:18 site specifically in regards to their opinion of our
14:49:42:01 zoning application, we were surprised to discover that
14:49:46:06 there is an all-persuasive negative attitude toward
14:49:51:01 concern of our operation, proposed operation.
14:49:54:22 After careful review of the various objections,
14:49:59:06 comments of these residents, we have come to realize
14:50:02:18 that we are not welcome at this business site.
14:50:05:25 In addition, it is our opinion that it would be unwise
14:50:10:18 business decision to attempt to establish an operation
14:50:13:19 where we are not wanted.

14:50:15:24 Therefore, we would like to advise this commission,
14:50:18:15 meaning the Council, that we would not be opposed or
14:50:22:01 saddened if you deny the application for a wet zoning,
14:50:26:03 and it is signed by the two principal owners of
14:50:29:00 International Beer Gardens, Inc.
14:50:33:15 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Were you aware of that letter?
14:50:35:15 >> News to me.
14:50:36:09 There is an existing lease in place.
14:50:37:27 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Breaking news.
14:50:42:24 >> There is an existing fully executed lease for the
14:50:46:09 space.
14:50:46:21 That's, unfortunately, all I can tell you at this time.
14:50:49:09 I was not aware of that and had spoken to them quite
14:50:52:19 recently.
14:50:53:15 >>THOMAS SCOTT: We have nothing to do with the lease.
14:51:00:06 >> I think they are here if you would like to ask any
14:51:02:27 questions.
14:51:04:24 >>JOSEPH CAETANO: You stated, sir, that at the present
14:51:06:13 time, food could be served there.
14:51:09:18 So the smell would go upstairs regardless whether they
14:51:13:00 have alcohol there or not.
14:51:16:06 >> Well, the point that I was trying to make is that
14:51:18:15 with the existing zoning, if you take a wet zoning out
14:51:21:09 of the equation, an odor, which may emanate from a
14:51:25:18 kitchen to me doesn't have any direct relationship with

14:51:28:09 the wet zoning being sought on this application.
14:51:30:15 And I apologize.
14:51:31:12 That was the only point I was trying to make.
14:51:33:22 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Is the applicant here?
14:51:39:15 >> Patty.
14:51:40:10 I've been sworn.
14:51:41:21 We had a real eye-opener the last few days.
14:51:44:12 We have extensive correspondence with the residents
14:51:48:06 upstairs, not just the one who spoke.
14:51:50:24 And we feel like our financial exposure in this
14:51:55:21 business is extensive to the extent of maybe three
14:51:59:19 quarters of a million dollars.
14:52:01:03 Certainly, it would not be a good business decision to
14:52:04:21 put a business where we are not welcome.
14:52:06:21 If we have to go around and shush our customers, and if
14:52:13:24 police are called on us constantly, we feel like it
14:52:16:25 would be on a day-to-day basis an operational
14:52:21:15 nightmare.
14:52:22:15 And I wrote this letter, and I still abide by this
14:52:26:15 letter.
14:52:27:06 However, I am here to do my due diligence, according to
14:52:30:15 the lease.
14:52:31:07 Any questions?
14:52:39:13 >>REBECCA KERT: Rebecca Kert, Legal Department.
14:52:41:09 This is, in fact, the applicant, and what the applicant

14:52:45:03 is telling you, please correct me if I'm wrong, she's
14:52:47:28 not with drawing her application.
14:52:49:18 At this point, unless -- you might want to see if
14:52:53:24 there's any other public comment, that being said,
14:52:55:27 you'll have to vote this up or down.
14:52:57:12 I do want to remind City Council, because they are
14:52:59:12 asking for waivers, they have the initial burden to
14:53:03:21 show that the sale of alcoholic beverages will be
14:53:05:27 incidental to the primary use of the business.
14:53:08:00 If they don't do that, then you don't have to take --
14:53:10:18 you don't have to go to the additional steps in
14:53:12:13 reviewing the waivers and adverse effects.
14:53:15:15 If, in fact, City Council finds that the sale -- they
14:53:18:03 have not provided substantial, competent evidence that
14:53:20:27 the sale is incidental that would be section 370-A 6.

14:53:28:00 >>JOSEPH CAETANO: You said you are doing your due
14:53:30:06 diligence.
14:53:31:18 Does that mean that if you don't accept, you're not
14:53:33:27 given an alcohol license, that you can get out of your
14:53:37:09 lease.
14:53:39:00 >> According to my attorney, it will be impossible for
14:53:41:18 me to perform.
14:53:43:15 >>JOSEPH CAETANO: Perform.
14:53:44:18 You would have to stay there --
14:53:46:10 >> No, it would be impossible for me to perform

14:53:49:06 according to the terms of the lease.
14:53:50:16 Therefore, yes, I would be exempt.
14:53:57:00 >>GWEN MILLER: Are you -- will she be able to get out
14:53:59:16 of her lease?
14:54:00:16 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: We're getting involved,
14:54:02:00 Mr. Chairman, with something that has --
14:54:05:01 >> I represent the property owner and the landlord, not
14:54:07:15 the applicant.
14:54:08:09 I have to apologize to Council.
14:54:12:15 I'm embarrassed and surprised.
14:54:12:16 My apologies to you-all.
14:54:12:18 >> Thank you very much. Accepted.
14:54:14:12 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Anyone else from the public?
14:54:16:18 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Move to close the public hearing,
14:54:17:28 Mr. Chairman.
14:54:18:24 >>THOMAS SCOTT: All right.
14:54:19:13 Let it be known by aye.
14:54:21:19 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Mr. Chairman, due to the outcry on
14:54:24:16 item number 89, ordinance for second reading, I believe
14:54:28:00 that that ordinance is WZ08-70, I request that this
14:54:35:24 petition be denied based on comments we've heard today
14:54:39:10 from concerned neighbors and other testimonies brought
14:54:42:28 into the record upon waivers and so forth by the Legal
14:54:45:27 Department.
14:54:47:15 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Is there a second?

14:54:49:06 >> Second.
14:54:50:16 >>REBECCA KERT: If you could include in your motion
14:54:52:01 that the basis for denial is section 370 A 6, they did
14:54:57:00 not demonstrate that it's incidental.
14:54:59:13 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Section 370 A.
14:55:03:25 Is it 370 A?
14:55:05:27 >>REBECCA KERT: The cited section based on what you
14:55:07:27 said would be 370 A 6.
14:55:10:27 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you.
14:55:11:16 That same section.
14:55:12:12 >>THOMAS SCOTT: It's been moved and seconded.
14:55:14:21 Moved by Councilman Miranda.
14:55:18:06 Seconded by Mulhern.
14:55:19:13 All in favor, aye.
14:55:29:15 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Could the motion be repeated?
14:55:31:07 I'm sorry.
14:55:31:19 >>THOMAS SCOTT: The motion was to deny.
14:55:35:21 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Based on the letter we received --
14:55:37:21 >>THOMAS SCOTT: No, no.
14:55:38:21 Based on the evidence and 370 A as advised by the
14:55:42:15 attorney.
14:55:45:28 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Did you record that vote?
14:55:47:27 Could you announce it, please?
14:55:49:27 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Wait a minute.
14:55:50:15 This is not -- that's not it.

14:55:53:16 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Okay.
14:55:54:09 All in favor of the motion to deny.
14:55:59:19 Opposed?
14:56:05:09 >>THE CLERK: The motion carried with Caetano voting no.
14:56:10:15 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Item number 90.
14:56:12:10 Anyone here wants to address Council?
14:56:18:01 >>GWEN MILLER: Move to close.
14:56:19:06 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Second.
14:56:19:24 >>THOMAS SCOTT: All in favor, let it be known by aye.
14:56:25:03 [Motion Carried]
14:56:25:10 Ms. Saul-Sena.
14:56:26:00 Item 90.
14:56:27:18 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Oh, I'm sorry.
14:56:29:09 I'd like to move the following ordinance for adoption
14:56:31:19 after second reading.
14:56:32:22 An ordinance repealing ordinance number 2002-240;
14:56:36:12 making lawful the sale of beverages containing alcohol
14:56:39:03 regardless of alcoholic content, beer, wine and liquor,
14:56:42:21 4(COP) for consumption on the premises and in sealed
14:56:45:18 containers for consumption off the premises in
14:56:48:06 connection with a business establishment on that
14:56:50:06 certain lot, plot, or tract of land located at 5200
14:56:54:03 west Tyson Avenue, Tampa, Florida, as more particularly
14:56:57:06 described in section 3 hereof; providing for repeal of
14:57:00:04 all ordinances in conflict; providing an effective

14:57:02:10 date.
14:57:03:13 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Record your vote.
14:57:12:18 >>THE CLERK: The motion carried unanimously with
14:57:14:15 Dingfelder being absent.
14:57:19:10 >>THOMAS SCOTT: On item 91, we need to open and close
14:57:22:06 and continue.
14:57:22:18 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: So moved to open, Mr. Chairman.
14:57:24:25 >> Second.
14:57:25:03 >>THOMAS SCOTT: All in favor, let it be known by aye.
14:57:27:24 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Mr. Chairman, so move to continue to
14:57:29:21 June 5, '08, 9:30 in the morning.
14:57:32:06 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Second.
14:57:32:28 >>THOMAS SCOTT: This is a public hearing.
14:57:38:06 Anyone here want to address?
14:57:43:00 >> [not at microphone]
14:57:47:06 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Actually, as a matter of law, this has
14:57:49:06 to be continued because the first public hearing was
14:57:51:07 not set on time.
14:57:53:24 >>THOMAS SCOTT: We have the motion.
14:57:54:24 All in favor, let it be known by aye.
14:57:59:10 Opposed?
14:58:00:28 So moved and ordered.
14:58:02:01 Item 92.
14:58:08:15 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: This is an adoption.
14:58:10:03 Got to be by majority.

14:58:13:00 Need to open 92.
14:58:17:04 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Do I hear a second?
14:58:18:12 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Second.
14:58:19:00 >>THOMAS SCOTT: All in favor, let it be known by aye.
14:58:21:07 Anyone here want to address Council?
14:58:25:00 Item 92.
14:58:27:25 Item 92.
14:58:29:27 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Move to close, Mr. Chairman.
14:58:32:03 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Second.
14:58:32:15 >>THOMAS SCOTT: All in favor, let it be known by aye.
14:58:35:18 [Motion Carried]
14:58:35:24 Mr. Caetano.
14:58:39:04 >>JOSEPH CAETANO: 92.
14:58:45:28 Ordinance being presented for second reading.
14:58:54:12 An ordinance amending the Tampa comprehensive plan
14:58:56:18 future land use element, future land use map for the
14:58:59:19 property located in the general vicinity of McKinley
14:59:02:06 drive and east Bougainvillea Avenue from heavy
14:59:05:06 industrial-1.5 to community mixed use-35; providing for
14:59:12:21 repeal of all ordinances in conflict, providing for
14:59:15:12 severability; providing an effective date.
14:59:16:12 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Record your votes.
14:59:26:10 >>THE CLERK: The motion carried unanimously with
14:59:28:24 Dingfelder being absent.
14:59:31:10 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Move to open number 93, sir.

14:59:33:10 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Second.
14:59:33:25 >>THOMAS SCOTT: All in favor, let it be known by aye.
14:59:36:12 So moved and ordered.
14:59:37:27 Anyone here want to address Council on item 93?
14:59:41:19 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Move to close, Mr. Chairman.
14:59:42:24 >>THOMAS SCOTT: All in favor, let it be known by aye.
14:59:48:15 Council member Mulhern, 93.
14:59:50:24 >>MARY MULHERN: Move an ordinance presented for second
14:59:53:18 reading, an ordinance amending the Tampa comprehensive
14:59:55:21 plan, future land use element, future land use map for
14:59:57:21 the property located in the general vicinity of
14:59:59:16 McKinley drive between east Fowler Avenue and east
15:00:02:15 Bougainvillea Avenue from heavy industrial-1.5 to
15:00:06:03 community mixed use-35; providing for repeal of all
15:00:09:09 ordinances in conflict; providing for severability;
15:00:11:18 providing an effective date.
15:00:14:27 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Record your vote.
15:00:22:19 >>THE CLERK: The motion carried unanimously with
15:00:25:06 Dingfelder being absent.
15:00:26:13 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Move to open number 94.
15:00:29:04 >> Second.
15:00:29:12 >>THOMAS SCOTT: All in favor, let it be known by aye.
15:00:31:07 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Move to continue, Mr. Chairman,
15:00:33:28 number 94 to August the 7th, '08 at 9:30 in the
15:00:38:24 morning.

15:00:42:18 >>THOMAS SCOTT: It's been moved and seconded.
15:00:44:03 All in favor, let it be known by aye.
15:00:46:00 Item 95.
15:00:49:25 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Move to open.
15:00:53:28 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Be removed from the agenda.
15:00:57:15 >>THOMAS SCOTT: All in favor, let it be known by aye.
15:00:59:15 So moved and ordered.
15:01:01:13 Item 96 this is a public hearing.
15:01:05:25 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: So move to open.
15:01:08:24 >> Second.
15:01:09:01 >>THOMAS SCOTT: If you are here to address Council,
15:01:12:22 please stand and be sworn.
15:01:15:13 (Oath administered by clerk).
15:01:23:09 >>DENNIS FERNANDEZ: Dennis Fernandez, Historic
15:01:26:22 Preservation Manager.
15:01:27:15 I'm here on item 96, which is the first reading for a
15:01:29:27 landmark designation recommendation from the Historic
15:01:32:03 Preservation Commission on the la Sociedad La Union
15:01:39:09 Martí-Maceo.
15:01:40:15 I have a short Powerpoint.
15:01:42:07 You see on the monitors a photograph of the Martí-Maceo
15:01:46:19 Club.
15:01:47:12 This is located on 7th Avenue.
15:01:49:00 It is located in the Ybor City local historic district,
15:01:52:00 but it is considered to be a noncontributing structure,

15:01:54:27 which means it's not currently protected under that
15:01:57:27 designation.
15:01:58:24 To orient you, you see the aerial here with the subject
15:02:05:00 property in the red box.
15:02:06:15 It sits just on 7th Avenue between Nuccio Parkway and
15:02:10:03 13th Street across from the TECO trolley barn.
15:02:13:12 The Sociedad La Union Martí-Maceo began its origination
15:02:20:06 in the founding of Ybor City as a cigar manufacturing
15:02:23:18 town in the late 1880s when a thousand Cuban
15:02:27:06 immigrants were recruited for their expertise in cigar
15:02:30:28 making.
15:02:31:09 The Latin community was highly political, and many
15:02:33:06 discussions were fueled by the information that was
15:02:35:01 disseminated by the elector and continued into the
15:02:38:04 evenings at the cantinas and the social clubs.
15:02:40:10 The first community club of the area was the Liceo
15:02:43:21 Cubano in 1886.
15:02:47:06 This was the building located originally which housed
15:02:49:18 the Martinez factory.
15:02:52:03 It was a historic marker -- is present that designated
15:02:58:03 it as the cradle of Cuban liberty having been the
15:03:00:09 location of Jose Marti's election as chair of the
15:03:03:25 revolutionary Cuban party.
15:03:06:01 The mutual aid societies provided social, cultural and
15:03:09:21 economic support for their members, and the Martí-Maceo

15:03:13:00 club was particularly the hub for Cuban politics.
15:03:17:18 The crusade for Cuba Libre was funded and given
15:03:24:09 unending support from the Cuban community in Ybor City.
15:03:24:21 Jose Marti, the Cuban patriot, gathered support for the
15:03:29:10 Cuban independence from over 20 visits to Ybor City.
15:03:31:19 Antonio Maceo was a revolutionary general who waged
15:03:35:24 many successful attacks against the Spanish until his
15:03:39:13 death on the battlefield in Cuba in 1896.
15:03:42:04 Both these men advocated racial equality and social
15:03:42:27 justice.
15:03:45:04 That became the basis of the founding of the Sociedad
15:03:47:28 La Union Martí-Maceo.
15:03:51:07 They built their own clubhouse for Afro Cubans in 1907
15:03:55:00 on east 6th Avenue and 11th Street.
15:03:57:21 You see the photograph of that in the lower right-hand
15:04:00:15 of the screen.
15:04:01:13 It included a 300-seat theater.
15:04:03:19 A dance hall, various meeting rooms, including -- they
15:04:07:21 taught classes in history, language.
15:04:10:24 The building was lost to urban renewal in 1965.
15:04:14:15 At that time, the organization moved to its present
15:04:18:00 location, which was a structure that was already
15:04:20:18 existing from 1950.
15:04:22:18 You see the existing structure.
15:04:24:06 There is a well-known mural on the west elevation of

15:04:27:09 the building that depicts the persons of significance
15:04:30:03 in the club's history.
15:04:31:10 And its cultural background.
15:04:33:06 The Historic Preservation Commission is recommending
15:04:37:00 local landmark designation.
15:04:38:22 The Sociedad La Union Martí-Maceo under the criteria of
15:04:43:04 ethnic heritage and significant persons.
15:04:49:24 That concludes my presentation.
15:04:51:09 I believe there are representatives of the club here
15:04:53:15 who would like to comment.
15:04:54:24 Thank you.
15:05:00:12 >> Good afternoon.
15:05:02:16 My name is Dr. Aaron Smith, and I'm the current
15:05:12:01 president of the Martí-Maceo.
15:05:14:09 We have always been very appreciative of the support
15:05:17:01 that the Council has given us every time we have come
15:05:19:22 before you.
15:05:20:12 You know, our club has a history of 108 years in this
15:05:24:15 community.
15:05:24:22 And we intend to maintain the legacy and the heritage
15:05:29:25 that's so enclosed.
15:05:32:27 We seek your continued support on this effort, and we
15:05:35:12 also thank Mr. Fernandez and his staff for the
15:05:39:21 conscientious effort they did in terms of helping us
15:05:43:21 create -- they created the document that's before you

15:05:46:09 now, and we are looking for success as they get it to
15:05:49:01 the next level.
15:05:49:27 We also promise you that we will continue to add to the
15:05:54:19 heritage and culture of Ybor City, and when we have our
15:05:57:27 great big gala event once we get our final designation,
15:06:02:28 we ask you to join us in that event as our guest.
15:06:05:27 So thank you again.
15:06:11:24 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Anyone else from the public?
15:06:14:16 >> I'm Janice Williams.
15:06:15:24 And I'm a member of Martí-Maceo.
15:06:18:06 I just want to say that I hope that you approve this
15:06:20:16 designation because I think we need to know about
15:06:25:06 Afro-Cuban.
15:06:26:13 I know we do.
15:06:27:13 We need to know about Afro-Cuban history.
15:06:30:09 When you have a monument, it's something that can last
15:06:32:27 forever, not just for us, but for other people visiting
15:06:35:25 the area.
15:06:36:21 And I just -- I just hope you approve it, because it's
15:06:39:21 a wonderful place, and it's just some place that I
15:06:44:24 always enjoy being.
15:06:46:22 Thanks.
15:06:49:21 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Anyone else from the public?
15:06:51:19 Ms. Saul-Sena.
15:06:53:03 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Thank you.

15:06:53:28 I just want to say that the most poignant part of this
15:06:57:25 packet was the photograph of the beautiful, beautiful
15:06:59:21 club that was taken away by what I call urban removal,
15:07:03:12 not urban renewal.
15:07:04:21 If it were renewed, they wouldn't have torn down that
15:07:08:06 beautiful, beautiful club.
15:07:09:12 But I want to congratulate you all for getting
15:07:11:19 organized and moving ahead with this designation and
15:07:15:01 reenergizing the club and participate in future
15:07:20:15 gatherings.
15:07:21:19 >>MARY MULHERN: Do you still have that wonderful band
15:07:23:28 practicing on Thursday night?
15:07:26:28 It's tonight.
15:07:29:24 There's a fantastic Cuban band that practices there.
15:07:36:19 It's great.
15:07:38:24 >>GWEN MILLER: Move to close.
15:07:39:21 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Second.
15:07:41:09 >> Wanted to let Council know, following this process,
15:07:43:18 we have also submitted for a designation to the
15:07:46:09 national register of historic places for the club to
15:07:48:19 bring this not only funding opportunities, but just
15:07:52:06 nationwide recognition of their contribution to the
15:07:54:21 city.
15:07:56:12 >>THOMAS SCOTT: There's a motion to close.
15:07:57:25 All in favor, let it be known by aye.

15:08:00:27 So moved and ordered.
15:08:01:21 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I would like to move an ordinance of
15:08:04:03 the City of Tampa, Florida, designating Sociedad La
15:08:08:12 Union Martí-Maceo located at 1226 East 7th Avenue,
15:08:15:27 Tampa, Florida, as more particularly described in
15:08:16:27 section 3 hereof, as a local landmark, providing for
15:08:19:21 repeal of all ordinances in conflict, providing for
15:08:21:27 severability, providing an effective date.
15:08:24:06 >>MARY MULHERN: Second.
15:08:24:28 >>THOMAS SCOTT: It's been moved and seconded.
15:08:26:10 Record your vote.
15:08:35:18 >>THE CLERK: The motion carried unanimously with
15:08:37:24 Dingfelder being absent and Caetano and Miranda being
15:08:42:21 absent at vote.
15:08:49:19 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Need to move to open 97.
15:08:52:18 >> Second.
15:08:52:21 >>THOMAS SCOTT: All in favor, aye.
15:08:54:03 So moved and ordered.
15:08:56:19 Item 97.
15:08:58:00 Anyone here wants to address Council on item 97?
15:09:02:21 It's a public hearing.
15:09:05:21 >>GWEN MILLER: This is the first reading.
15:09:06:28 When is the second?
15:09:08:15 You didn't announce it.
15:09:13:21 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Which one?

15:09:20:03 >>GWEN MILLER: When is the second reading?
15:09:25:00 >>THOMAS SCOTT: 96, second reading on 96.
15:09:27:09 >>THE CLERK: The second reading of the ordinance will
15:09:28:28 be held May the 15th at 9:30 a.m.
15:09:31:09 >>THOMAS SCOTT: May 15th.
15:09:33:01 We're on 97.
15:09:35:21 Yes.
15:09:38:03 >>THE CLERK: And the motion was to include the
15:09:41:00 substitute ordinance.
15:09:41:15 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Yes.
15:09:47:10 >> Barbara Lynch, Land Development Coordination.
15:09:49:24 The subject of this right-of-way vacating is an
15:09:52:04 alleyway that he located in the East Tampa.
15:09:54:25 This is a city-initiated petition by the Stormwater
15:09:57:12 Management department.
15:09:59:24 I have overhead map.
15:10:03:15 This alley is located between 52nd Street and
15:10:11:16 garrison street and running between 32nd Avenue and
15:10:15:10 Martin Luther King Boulevard.
15:10:16:06 It's unimproved.
15:10:18:12 I have some photos.
15:10:23:10 This is a photo of the alleyway looking north from
15:10:26:06 32nd Avenue.
15:10:27:13 And this is a photo looking south from Martin Luther
15:10:33:21 King Jr. Boulevard, and this is a photo of the city

15:10:42:12 property, and they need this for a retention pond, and
15:10:46:19 staff has no objection to this request.
15:10:50:25 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Anyone here want to speak to Council on
15:10:53:00 this?
15:10:53:18 Motion to close.
15:10:54:09 All in favor, aye.
15:11:01:04 Do we have a motion?
15:11:06:12 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
15:11:07:15 Move an ordinance vacating, closing, discontinuing,
15:11:12:21 abandoning a certain right-of-way, all that alleyway
15:11:14:24 lying south of Martin Luther King Jr. Boulevard north
15:11:17:21 of 23rd Avenue, east of 52nd Street and west of
15:11:23:07 Garrison Street in Grant Park addition, a subdivision
15:11:26:21 located in the City of Tampa, Florida, Hillsborough
15:11:28:12 County, more being particularly described fully in
15:11:32:09 section 2 thereof, providing an effective date.
15:11:35:21 >>THOMAS SCOTT: All in favor, let it be known by aye.
15:11:37:24 Item number 98, we need to open and continue.
15:11:42:09 All in favor, let it be known by aye.
15:11:44:09 The motion now is to continue the public hearing to
15:11:46:28 September the 4th.
15:11:48:03 Item 98.
15:11:51:06 >> Move to continue.
15:11:52:12 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Second.
15:11:53:10 >>THOMAS SCOTT: All in favor, let it be known by aye.

15:11:55:18 Opposed?
15:11:56:18 Item 99 needs to be rescheduled, public hearing, to the
15:12:04:09 15th.
15:12:05:01 >>MARY MULHERN: Move to reschedule.
15:12:06:27 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Second.
15:12:09:06 >> Actually, this item, they did not file the affidavit
15:12:12:04 so we have to reset the public hearing.
15:12:13:15 >>THOMAS SCOTT: So we don't need to do anything with it
15:12:16:21 then.
15:12:17:06 >> No.
15:12:17:13 >>THOMAS SCOTT: It's item 99.
15:12:18:27 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Be removed from the agenda then?
15:12:21:21 Is that what you're saying? Or do you want to have the
15:12:24:09 date set now?
15:12:25:09 >> No.
15:12:25:21 They have to pay an amendment fee.
15:12:29:00 >>GWEN MILLER: Move to remove from the agenda.
15:12:31:03 >> Second.
15:12:31:06 >>THOMAS SCOTT: All in favor, let it be known by aye.
15:12:34:15 So moved and ordered.
15:12:35:24 We are now on item 100.
15:12:39:25 Appeal hearing.
15:12:44:03 >>REBECCA KERT: Rebecca Kert, Legal Department.
15:12:46:12 This was on your agenda two weeks ago.
15:12:47:27 The applicant did not appear.

15:12:49:25 You continued it one more time to see if the applicant
15:12:52:06 would appear.
15:12:53:03 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Is the applicant here?
15:12:54:18 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Excuse me, we received a letter on
15:12:56:15 this.
15:12:56:18 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Right, we did.
15:12:58:03 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: It said we solved it.
15:13:00:06 So move to receive and file.
15:13:02:18 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Second.
15:13:05:03 >>THOMAS SCOTT: All in favor, let it be known by aye.
15:13:08:16 Oppose?
15:13:09:19 >>MARTIN SHELBY: The motion then would be to withdraw,
15:13:12:06 to allow it to be withdrawn?
15:13:14:13 That's what the letter -- the exact word they use is
15:13:17:04 dismiss.
15:13:17:19 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Move to dismiss.
15:13:20:03 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Second to dismiss.
15:13:21:18 >>REBECCA KERT: As long as it's off the agenda, that's
15:13:24:01 fine.
15:13:26:12 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Item 101.
15:13:28:00 >>JULIA COLE: Julia Cole, Legal Department.
15:13:30:03 After discussing this matter with the petitioner, I
15:13:32:13 have informed them that the City Council has no
15:13:34:12 authority to take action on this item, so I would
15:13:36:15 request that it is removed from the agenda.

15:13:38:09 They understand that, and will proceed to
15:13:40:12 administrative approval.
15:13:42:19 >>GWEN MILLER: Make a motion remove from agenda.
15:13:44:25 >>THOMAS SCOTT: All in favor, aye.
15:13:46:03 Opposed, same sign.
15:13:48:04 So moved.
15:13:49:00 Item 102, this item I think -- we didn't have enough
15:13:55:10 people to vote, as I recall, and that's the issue on
15:13:58:03 this, that we took all the public testimony, we just
15:14:01:01 now need to -- I thought we were just going to vote on
15:14:04:06 it today.
15:14:05:06 Do we need to open it again --
15:14:06:28 >>MARTIN SHELBY: It is a continued public hearing.
15:14:08:09 It hadn't been closed.
15:14:09:28 It was continued without closing the public hearing
15:14:11:24 because it appeared that there would not be the
15:14:13:24 requisite number of votes.
15:14:15:15 So what you have before you now, if you wish to take a
15:14:19:03 vote today.
15:14:20:12 If you feel -- you can close the public hearing and
15:14:23:24 vote or --
15:14:27:06 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I need my memory refreshed.
15:14:29:01 >>THOMAS SCOTT: We can make a motion to close the
15:14:31:00 public hearing now.
15:14:31:22 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Wait, before we do that,

15:14:33:18 Mr. Chairman, my memory on this is not clear.
15:14:39:03 I wondered if staff could sort of quickly refresh me on
15:14:44:12 the discussion.
15:14:51:15 >>LaCHONE DOCK: Good afternoon, LaChone Dock, Land
15:14:53:25 Development Coordination.
15:14:54:21 I have been sworn.
15:14:55:18 This is petition Z 08-25.
15:14:57:24 It is for the property located at 907 east Chilkoot
15:15:02:18 Avenue.
15:15:03:03 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Okay.
15:15:03:18 I remember.
15:15:04:06 It was for a commercial petition that was in the
15:15:06:01 neighborhood, and staff wrote that it was inconsistent
15:15:08:18 because it had residential to the north, east, and
15:15:11:21 south.
15:15:11:28 >>LaCHONE DOCK: Correct.
15:15:13:03 It's zoned RS-50 currently and they are requesting to
15:15:16:00 rezone it to PD, planned development, for business
15:15:19:16 professional office.
15:15:21:24 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Applicant?
15:15:22:21 Do you want to add anything before we close it?
15:15:34:13 >> Good afternoon, everyone.
15:15:35:18 My name is Sammy Govindan.
15:15:37:24 I've been sworn in.
15:15:38:28 Residing at 10221 Meadow Crossing Drive in Tampa.

15:15:44:00 I am requesting a change of land use because the house
15:15:46:28 is destroyed by termites.
15:15:51:21 It's been vacant for a while.
15:15:54:19 Tampa Electric has been shut off.
15:15:55:00 There is no electricity in the house.
15:15:56:18 There is no water.
15:15:57:06 It's been turned off by the city.
15:15:58:25 The market for residential is bad right now.
15:16:01:12 I believe that business professional office will
15:16:04:15 benefit the neighborhood.
15:16:07:12 Beautify the environment.
15:16:08:18 The property is located right behind my commercial
15:16:11:19 plaza, it will be very convenient for me to use half
15:16:15:06 the proposed building for a management office with two
15:16:19:15 employees.
15:16:19:25 It will be great if the change of land use is granted,
15:16:23:12 I'll keep all trees and add some more.
15:16:25:25 Also do my best to satisfy all the comments.
15:16:28:18 Thank you.
15:16:29:06 I have some supporting letters from the neighbors.
15:16:32:00 I would like to pass them to you.
15:17:01:03 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Motion to close?
15:17:10:00 >> He should speak.
15:17:13:00 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Okay, sir.
15:17:14:00 Sir, do you want to address Council?

15:17:19:06 You don't have to, but you certainly have the right to
15:17:21:13 do it.
15:17:22:03 >> Bill Fisher, 1013 east Chilkoot.
15:17:25:07 I saw the petition, talked to the petitioner.
15:17:28:16 He told me it was going to be office space.
15:17:31:03 I think it's a good transition from his strip mall into
15:17:35:03 the neighborhood.
15:17:36:16 Chilkoot is two blocks long there.
15:17:38:19 One block is the trailer park.
15:17:43:01 Residence would be facing the trailer park.
15:17:47:18 I think the office would be an upgrade for that area.
15:17:51:03 Thank you.
15:17:53:03 >>GWEN MILLER: Move to close.
15:17:54:28 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Second.
15:17:55:16 >>THOMAS SCOTT: All in favor, let it be known by aye.
15:17:57:21 What's the pleasure of Council?
15:18:00:15 Ms. Miller.
15:18:09:12 >>GWEN MILLER: I move an ordinance rezoning property in
15:18:11:12 the general vicinity of 907 east Chilkoot Avenue in the
15:18:15:01 City of Tampa, Florida, and more particularly described
15:18:16:24 in section 1 from zoning district classification RS-50
15:18:20:21 to residential single-family to PD, planned
15:18:23:18 development, office, business, professional, and
15:18:25:25 providing an effective date.
15:18:28:16 >>THOMAS SCOTT: It's been moved and seconded.

15:18:30:01 Seconded by Councilman Miranda.
15:18:31:27 All in favor, let it be known by aye.
15:18:34:03 Opposed?
15:18:40:24 >>THE CLERK: Second reading of the ordinance would be
15:18:42:15 held May the 15th at 9:30 a.m.
15:18:47:12 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Council, we are now into new business,
15:18:51:06 information and new business.
15:18:52:09 Councilwoman Mulhern?
15:18:57:00 >>MARY MULHERN: I have a couple of items.
15:18:58:22 Upcoming budget.
15:19:02:24 First, I'm asking for our sake and at the request of
15:19:11:27 Bonnie Wise that we schedule a discussion on the
15:19:17:13 process and format and scheduling for our review of the
15:19:21:13 fiscal year '09 budget.
15:19:23:19 I'd like to have the discussion of how we want to
15:19:27:09 proceed with it and scheduling on May 15th on the
15:19:30:18 agenda on May 15th.
15:19:32:24 I would like to move to put that on the agenda for
15:19:37:06 May 15th.
15:19:37:21 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Second.
15:19:38:18 >>MARY MULHERN: And the other thing was, we need to
15:19:42:06 schedule --
15:19:43:19 >>THOMAS SCOTT: All in favor, let it be known by aye.
15:19:45:27 Opposed?
15:19:47:00 So moved.

15:19:48:21 >>MARY MULHERN: It's time to schedule the six-month
15:19:50:24 revenue and expenditure report overview.
15:19:55:09 And we would like to do that -- probably it will take
15:20:00:00 two hours.
15:20:01:09 Ms. Wise suggested and the budget and accounting people
15:20:06:22 thought that -- I guess normally this is done in a
15:20:09:25 separate two-hour meeting.
15:20:11:16 You probably remember how it's done.
15:20:17:28 I was going to propose and people need to look at their
15:20:20:27 calendar that we do it on Tuesday May 27th at 1 p.m.,
15:20:29:21 and that is a date when the administration budget
15:20:34:24 people will be available for us.
15:20:39:24 It's not the budget discussion.
15:20:42:27 We need -- every year we have a six-month review of
15:20:46:09 this year's current budget, revenue and finance report.
15:20:51:22 So it's time to do that.
15:20:54:19 >>THOMAS SCOTT: You'll have that when?
15:20:58:03 >>MARY MULHERN: Tuesday, May 27th.
15:21:01:00 Now, let's talk about it, because I was just told that
15:21:07:00 normally we set a separate meeting.
15:21:08:18 My own inclination would have been to do it at a
15:21:12:15 regular Council meeting or a workshop meeting.
15:21:14:27 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I was going to say I believe
15:21:20:15 Memorial Day is Monday the day before.
15:21:22:21 And I would think that it would be better to schedule

15:21:26:10 it in Council chambers perhaps on a Thursday when we
15:21:29:19 don't have a meeting scheduled.
15:21:33:03 >>THOMAS SCOTT: I can't make it.
15:21:34:03 I have a meeting scheduled already that day.
15:21:36:06 >>MARY MULHERN: What's our next meeting?
15:21:39:00 I don't want to schedule a meeting on the one day that
15:21:41:18 we don't have one scheduled, because I think that
15:21:43:27 people won't be here.
15:21:47:09 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Might I suggest that in the past
15:21:48:27 it's been scheduled on off days and usually only a
15:21:52:24 couple of Council members come.
15:21:54:21 Maybe you should circulate a memo and put forth a
15:21:57:25 couple of days and get feedback from Council members
15:22:00:13 and see --
15:22:01:06 >>MARY MULHERN: Okay.
15:22:02:03 I did that.
15:22:02:24 If these dates aren't good, I was suggesting the 27th
15:22:08:00 or the 28th.
15:22:09:12 I was told Ronda -- you could do the 27th.
15:22:12:09 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I could do either.
15:22:13:28 And I'd be happy to.
15:22:20:09 >>MARY MULHERN: If anyone here feels that it needs to
15:22:23:18 be on a regular Council meeting, I don't see any reason
15:22:26:22 not to do that.
15:22:29:15 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'm with you.

15:22:31:00 The hearings, I think -- I haven't gotten permission
15:22:35:06 from the chair.
15:22:35:25 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Go ahead.
15:22:36:21 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: All the people in the audience I'm
15:22:38:21 insulting, I apologize.
15:22:40:01 What I'm trying to say is, I believe it might be a
15:22:45:25 reference to the hearings that we have on the first and
15:22:49:00 second passage on the budget, which is in September and
15:22:51:21 then later on that month right before October, but
15:22:56:06 you're right, these hearings, I think they were held
15:22:59:12 either way.
15:23:00:00 I agree with you that I think during a Council meeting
15:23:05:22 might be advantageous to the public because they are
15:23:09:00 here.
15:23:17:27 >>MARY MULHERN: Yeah, the public is here, and the
15:23:17:27 Council will be here.
15:22:36:21 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: So I agree with you there.
15:23:17:27 >>MARY MULHERN: I guess our next Council regular
15:23:22:01 session is June 5th or the next session after.
15:23:27:16 We needed to do this after the 21st of May.
15:23:31:00 We could do it on the June 5th session.
15:23:34:27 I don't know if we have an agenda.
15:23:37:06 We have, oh, the comp plan text amendments.
15:23:43:06 I think those are -- I don't know if that's the big
15:23:46:07 comp plan.

15:23:47:21 I don't think it is.
15:23:48:09 >>THOMAS SCOTT: How much time would be needed?
15:23:50:04 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Two hours.
15:23:51:00 >>MARY MULHERN: We could do it at 1:30.
15:23:53:18 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Two hours?
15:23:54:24 Regular meeting -- you only have two meetings left, you
15:24:03:00 get into June, that will be the 5th and the 26th or
15:24:06:06 something like that.
15:24:07:06 I can tell you now, they'll be packed.
15:24:15:15 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Based on the fact that this is
15:24:20:04 something that we have asked for, I think that you
15:24:23:09 should try to schedule it on the 29th and however
15:24:26:04 many people can attend, attend.
15:24:29:04 It's a special discussion meeting on the half-year
15:24:32:15 budget process.
15:24:32:27 >>MARY MULHERN: How many people here would be attending
15:24:35:21 that on the 29th?
15:24:37:03 That's the problem.
15:24:39:24 I'm not going to be here on the 29th.
15:24:47:06 >>THOMAS SCOTT: What do we have on the workshop day
15:24:49:06 already for that fourth Thursday?
15:24:51:06 In May.
15:25:01:21 >>MARY MULHERN: You know, I'm not really sure --
15:25:03:25 >>THOMAS SCOTT: So we have the comp plan --
15:25:05:18 >>MARY MULHERN: This is the six-month review.

15:25:08:21 It should have happened in March, and they are asking
15:25:11:07 to do it the end of May.
15:25:13:00 By the time we get into June, we'll be looking at next
15:25:15:15 year's budget.
15:25:19:27 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: If I may assist Council member
15:25:22:09 Mulhern, hopefully, you said the right word.
15:25:25:07 This is a review.
15:25:26:09 What we are going for, I guess administration will come
15:25:29:03 up and say these were our goals, these were our
15:25:32:03 objectives, these were the amount of funds in certain
15:25:34:24 accounts, this is what we have expended in those
15:25:36:21 accounts and this is what's left.
15:25:38:09 I don't think that will take two hours.
15:25:41:12 >>MARY MULHERN: Well, that's what they told me.
15:25:43:09 They asked to set aside two hours.
15:25:50:27 It's because it's the whole deal.
15:25:55:25 It's all the enterprise funds, general fund and the CRA
15:26:01:00 stuff.
15:26:01:15 Apparently the budget people said they could do
15:26:12:15 June 5th.
15:26:15:00 >>THOMAS SCOTT: I just don't suggest putting a two-hour
15:26:18:27 block on the agenda.
15:26:20:00 That really kills --
15:26:22:27 >>MARY MULHERN: Let's go back to the 27th.
15:26:25:06 Because Linda and I can be there.

15:26:28:21 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Can't be there on the 29th.
15:26:35:00 >>MARY MULHERN: No.
15:26:35:24 I was talking about the 27th.
15:26:43:24 >>THOMAS SCOTT: See who shows up.
15:26:45:12 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Or we have a workshop session
15:26:47:10 June 19th.
15:26:51:04 >>MARY MULHERN: I don't think there's any point --
15:26:53:24 we're going to be starting budget meetings.
15:26:56:15 We don't need to look at last year's.
15:26:59:06 We have to do it sooner than that.
15:27:02:27 The end of May is late enough.
15:27:05:00 Let's just do it June 27 -- I mean, sorry, May.
15:27:13:27 May 27th, 1 p.m.
15:27:16:00 And location to be determined.
15:27:23:03 May 27th, 1 p.m.
15:27:27:06 Tuesday.
15:27:29:19 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Why couldn't you have it in the
15:27:31:15 morning?
15:27:33:19 >>MARY MULHERN: I think I had -- I think my morning was
15:27:36:09 already full.
15:27:37:15 >>THOMAS SCOTT: I may be able to come, but I would have
15:27:41:09 to leave because I have an afternoon meeting.
15:27:51:06 >>MARY MULHERN: Oh, they can't do it in the morning,
15:27:53:09 finance can't.
15:27:53:21 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Okay.

15:27:54:21 There's a motion for May 27th at 1 p.m.
15:28:00:01 All in favor, let it be known by aye.
15:28:02:01 Opposed?
15:28:05:00 So that's unanimous?
15:28:10:13 Okay.
15:28:14:03 >>MARY MULHERN: That's all I had.
15:28:16:19 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Councilman Caetano.
15:28:20:24 >>JOSEPH CAETANO: Nothing.
15:28:21:06 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Ms. Saul-Sena.
15:28:22:22 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
15:28:24:04 Two things.
15:28:24:19 This Saturday are the dragon boat races right outside
15:28:27:12 the convention center, very exciting, very colorful.
15:28:30:15 I encourage everyone to come.
15:28:32:03 And secondly, we received, I thought, a really eloquent
15:28:37:01 essay from Mr. Shelby about the comp plan with the idea
15:28:40:10 that this is hugely important for us to address.
15:28:43:21 I also received word from Cindy Miller that the comp
15:28:47:12 plan will be coming before the Planning Commission on
15:28:50:06 May 12th, which is really right around the corner.
15:28:53:18 Given that date, what I would like to do is suggest a
15:28:56:21 special discussion meeting for those who are able to
15:28:59:07 come next Thursday, the 8th, at 1:30 here in Council
15:29:03:27 chambers, particularly to address the livable roadways
15:29:06:22 concept that the gentleman discussed this morning, and

15:29:10:06 also the transportation TCEA concurrency -- I can't
15:29:17:27 remember the other parts of the acronym -- that we had
15:29:21:24 discussed last week.
15:29:22:19 And so we could have staff.
15:29:24:10 We could have the public participate, and we could have
15:29:26:18 Council members who are able to come.
15:29:28:09 But a quorum wouldn't be required because it would be a
15:29:30:21 special discussion meeting.
15:29:31:21 So that's a motion.
15:29:33:25 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Is there a second?
15:29:38:15 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: If there could please be a second.
15:29:41:21 >>MARY MULHERN: I'm just looking at the schedule,
15:29:43:13 Linda.
15:29:44:18 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: It needs to be prior to May 12th.
15:29:47:01 The only date prior to May 12th is the 8th.
15:29:52:07 >>MARY MULHERN: The Planning Commission is going to
15:29:53:22 vote on it?
15:29:55:13 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Correct.
15:29:56:27 >>MARY MULHERN: All right.
15:29:57:16 I'll second.
15:29:57:27 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Just a reminder that Council has a
15:30:00:28 workshop scheduled for the comprehensive plan on
15:30:02:24 May 22nd.
15:30:03:27 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I know.
15:30:05:04 That's after the Planning Commission is voting.

15:30:07:03 Not that it's not worth doing, but I would rather do it
15:30:09:21 sooner rather than later.
15:30:10:21 >>MARTIN SHELBY: That's interesting.
15:30:16:07 >>MARY MULHERN: Well, how does that work?
15:30:17:27 Does the Planning Commission -- it's our plan --
15:30:28:00 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: We ultimately will vote on the comp
15:30:30:06 plan irregardless of the action -- yes.
15:30:33:25 >>MARY MULHERN: Why don't -- they can have their
15:30:36:24 meeting and we'll have our workshop on the 22nd.
15:30:38:27 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: My feeling is the more opportunities
15:30:41:00 we have to discuss the comprehensive plan, the better,
15:30:43:06 because it's a very important and complex thing.
15:30:45:16 >>THOMAS SCOTT: There's a motion for May 12th at what
15:30:48:24 time?
15:30:49:16 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: 1:30.
15:30:50:22 >>THOMAS SCOTT: All in favor, let it be known by aye.
15:30:53:06 Opposed?
15:30:58:19 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I'm sorry.
15:30:59:15 May 8th.
15:31:01:13 >>MARY MULHERN: I did second it.
15:31:02:16 >>THOMAS SCOTT: May 8th.
15:31:06:09 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: May 8th.
15:31:09:15 >>THOMAS SCOTT: At 1:30.
15:31:11:03 Again, that's a motion on the floor moved by Council
15:31:17:06 member Saul-Sena, seconded by councilwoman Mulhern.

15:31:20:03 All in favor, let it be known by aye.
15:31:22:09 Opposed?
15:31:24:21 >>GWEN MILLER: I won't be able to attend.
15:31:26:09 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried with Miller voting no.
15:31:28:27 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: -- on the preservation issue at
15:31:31:04 1:30 --
15:31:32:06 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Is that all?
15:31:33:21 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: That's all.
15:31:35:21 >>GWEN MILLER: Thank you.
15:31:36:09 I would like to let everyone know that this is school
15:31:38:19 nurses week.
15:31:39:09 If you go by the schools, please say to the nurses what
15:31:42:15 a good job they are doing with the children.
15:31:44:15 They are very helpful and should be shown appreciation.
15:31:51:28 This is school nurses week.
15:31:53:18 I would like to give a commendation to First Baptist
15:31:55:06 Church of Lincoln Garden, who will be celebrating their
15:31:58:09 50th anniversary this Sunday.
15:31:59:24 I will present it to them.
15:32:03:22 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Second.
15:32:04:07 >>THOMAS SCOTT: All in favor, let it be known by aye.
15:32:06:18 Opposed?
15:32:07:21 So moved.
15:32:08:09 Anything else?
15:32:09:00 >>GWEN MILLER: That's it.

15:32:09:28 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Okay.
15:32:10:21 The only item I have is with regard to our strategic
15:32:13:03 plan.
15:32:13:21 Had said we would do that again this year.
15:32:16:09 We don't have a date in mind.
15:32:18:06 What I would suggest at this point, is Mr. Shelby meet
15:32:21:18 with each of us and look at our calendars to set a
15:32:24:10 date, and then place that on the agenda for a future
15:32:28:24 date for the strategic plan.
15:32:30:15 Okay?
15:32:31:21 Council, anything else that needs to come before?
15:32:36:06 >>GWEN MILLER: Move to receive and file.
15:32:37:21 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Second.
15:32:38:21 >>THOMAS SCOTT: All in favor, let it be known by aye.
15:32:40:21 Seeing nothing else, anyone here from the public want
15:32:42:27 to address Council?
15:32:44:04 Seeing none, we now stand adjourned.
15:32:48:06 Thank you.