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Tampa City Council
Thursday, August 28, 2008
9 a.m. workshop

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09:11:38 >>THOMAS SCOTT: The Tampa City Council will now come
09:11:39 to order.
09:11:41 The chair will yield to Mr. Charlie Miranda, the
09:11:44 honorable Charlie Miranda, who will now introduce the
09:11:47 one who is going to give the invocation.
09:11:49 Mr. Miranda.
09:11:49 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you, honorable chair Scott.
09:11:53 It's my pleasure this morning to introduce Olivia
09:11:56 Wilson, the legislative assistant for chair pro tem
09:11:59 Gwendolyn Miller, although she has been with the City

09:12:02 Council for six years, she has tenured with the City
09:12:07 of Tampa, it's her 35th anniversary, and she's
09:12:11 only 35.
09:12:12 Libby, as she's called more affectionately, has been
09:12:19 with the council for six years, is a graduate of
09:12:21 norwood university, hold a bachelor degree of business
09:12:24 administration, a member of the Alpha Kappa Alpha
09:12:27 Sorority gamma chapter.
09:12:31 Not bad for me to say that.
09:12:35 During her tenure with the city she successfully
09:12:37 completed many city sponsored training programs which
09:12:40 most recently the city's connection program.
09:12:44 He's she's also a member. City of Tampa's black
09:12:47 history committee.
09:12:48 Libby has learned and accomplished so much as a result
09:12:53 of the opportunities that made her more available to
09:12:55 her sincere, to her employment with the city, as it
09:13:00 began some time ago.
09:13:01 However, when she's asked, what is the most rewarding
09:13:04 thing that she has accomplished to date, it is the
09:13:10 birth of her two sons, Cedric and Cory.
09:13:16 Libby is a member of the St. John Missionary Baptist

09:13:19 Church with the Reverend Bartholomew Banks serving as
09:13:24 pastor.
09:13:24 Please welcome me in having Libby Wilson doing our
09:13:29 morning prayer this morning.
09:13:31 Please rise and remain standing for the pledge of
09:13:33 allegiance.
09:13:35 >> Good morning.
09:13:36 Let us pray.
09:13:38 Dear heavenly father, first and foremost, I thank you
09:13:42 for waking us up this morning and starting us on our
09:13:45 way.
09:13:45 For you are indeed the source of all wisdom, good and
09:13:52 graces and whose law is true.
09:13:54 Father, I pray that the light of your divine wisdom,
09:13:58 direct deliberations of this council, and that it
09:14:01 shines forth in all proceedings and laws for our rules
09:14:07 and our government.
09:14:08 I pray that your will will be done here this morning
09:14:11 and that you continue to help this council come ten
09:14:13 plate what is correct in your sight and give each one
09:14:17 of them the courage to make the right decisions and
09:14:21 the time for their decisions, father, affect so many.

09:14:26 Finally, dear heavenly father, I continue to pray for
09:14:28 my brethren who are hungry and homeless, who are sick
09:14:31 and shut-in, who are bereaved, who are incarcerated,
09:14:37 who are being notified of pending layoff and who are
09:14:40 unemployed, our military men and women who defend our
09:14:44 country each day, that your presence will always
09:14:48 surround them, protect them, provide for them, and
09:14:51 keep them.
09:14:52 Amen.
09:14:54 [ Pledge of Allegiance ]
09:15:11 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you, Ms. Wilson.
09:15:13 Very good.
09:15:14 Thank you.
09:15:16 At this time, I will ask the honorable Charlie Miranda
09:15:20 to come and make the presentation for our police
09:15:23 Officer of the Month.
09:15:24 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you, Mr. Chair.
09:15:26 This is the first male council I have ever worked
09:15:29 with.
09:15:30 [ Laughter ]
09:15:35 Chief Hogue, it's my pleasure to see you this morning.
09:15:49 Every day when I see you, I'm honored to have you as

09:15:52 our chief.
09:15:52 On behalf of Chairman Scott and the members of City
09:15:55 Council, we are awfully proud today to be here to
09:15:58 recognize two outstanding officers in the Tampa Police
09:16:01 Department.
09:16:03 Then morning, we have master police officer Edward
09:16:06 Croissant as Officer of the Month and corporal Bryan
09:16:12 Adkins.
09:16:12 I believe his wife will be sitting in or standing in
09:16:15 this morning for officer Adkins.
09:16:18 I know you know more about these two gentlemen than
09:16:21 most of us, and I will be here by your side while you
09:16:25 do the presentation to these officers, and I do have
09:16:29 two gifts here from Charlie's, but it not me, sir.
09:16:35 Let me just say that right off the bat.
09:16:39 It's my honor to have you here this morning with us
09:16:42 for the fine work that you have done and your police
09:16:45 force has done in reducing crime every year to a
09:16:48 statistic that I'm sure the rest of the nation is
09:16:51 observing as to how you do it and how your police
09:16:53 officers do it.
09:16:54 I welcome you this morning to City Hall, City Council,

09:16:58 and please step in.
09:16:59 >> Sherri,
09:17:17 >>CHIEF HOGUE: Once again we would like to say thank
09:17:18 you from the police department for this recognition
09:17:21 every month.
09:17:21 As you know, we have two this month because last month
09:17:24 we didn't have our recognition so we are doing them
09:17:26 both today.
09:17:28 First I'll start off with Eddie Croissant, a long-term
09:17:35 police officer with us.
09:17:36 And one of the people that's responsible for the crime
09:17:39 coming down in the City of Tampa, and I'm going to go
09:17:43 through a little scenario why we gave him Officer of
09:17:45 the Month which will explain exactly what I'm talking
09:17:48 about.
09:17:50 Eddie is on patrol.
09:17:52 And he sees something as, you know, nonoffensive as a
09:17:58 gentleman pushing a shopping cart down the road with
09:18:01 some groceries in it.
09:18:02 But the thing that kind of got Eddie's attention was
09:18:06 that this thing is full of meat.
09:18:08 And most people don't just buy a shopping cart full of

09:18:14 meat.
09:18:14 So he stops.
09:18:15 He engages this gentleman in a conversation, and
09:18:19 through that conversation he finds out that of course
09:18:23 the stuff has a Wal-Mart wrappers on it, and there's a
09:18:30 Wal-Mart in the area, and this individual is pushing
09:18:34 one of those shopping carts, and also there's a very
09:18:41 substantial financial amount of meat inside of this,
09:18:45 in the hundreds of dollars worth of meat sitting in
09:18:48 there and a little bit of seafood product.
09:18:50 So doing what good police officers do, looks further
09:18:55 into it, goes back to Wal-Mart, Wal-Mart doesn't even
09:19:00 know they had a theft.
09:19:01 They pull their security cameras, and sure enough,
09:19:04 it's all been stolen from them, and we end up charging
09:19:07 him with that.
09:19:11 Another time, Eddie, the next day in, fact, Eddie is
09:19:15 on patrol and he sees an illegal car parked, it's not
09:19:19 a major event, a lot of people would drive right by
09:19:22 that.
09:19:22 Not Eddie.
09:19:24 He gets out, walks up to the car, and smells marijuana

09:19:29 coming from it.
09:19:30 From that, and an eight hour investigation that
09:19:36 followed, he found four firearm that is he took off
09:19:39 the street that were stolen from a St. Petersburg
09:19:41 police officer's house.
09:19:43 He got 89 grams of marijuana which is a pretty
09:19:48 significant amount of marijuana.
09:19:50 He of course arrested a suspect, recovered jewelry
09:19:54 from another burglary, and also passed that case onto
09:19:59 the sheriff's office, because they had several cases
09:20:03 that this gentleman was responsible for committing
09:20:08 burglaries in the area.
09:20:09 Now, the point of this Officer of the Month with Eddie
09:20:13 is that here's an individual, on patrol, and sees
09:20:18 something and gets proactive on the front end, gets a
09:20:22 couple of criminals off the street, because I can tell
09:20:26 you, they weren't going to stop this activity.
09:20:29 No calls were given to him for this.
09:20:30 This was something he initiated on his own.
09:20:34 And this is what's making the crime rate in Tampa come
09:20:36 down.
09:20:36 And an interesting statistic I was looking at

09:20:39 yesterday, in the last five years of the Tampa Police
09:20:41 Department, calls for service where somebody picks up
09:20:45 the phone and calls the police department, had dropped
09:20:48 11.5%, which is crime stopping.
09:20:52 Of course there's less crime to report so that would
09:20:54 be natural.
09:20:54 But self-initiated activity that the officers
09:20:58 themselves get involved in and find themselves has
09:21:00 gone up 71%.
09:21:04 And that's what Eddie is doing every day and he is
09:21:07 part of that statistic and that's why I said in the
09:21:09 beginning he's the reason that we made him Officer of
09:21:12 the Month this month.
09:21:15 And in fact, he's been promoted since then, so he's
09:21:20 got that reward, too.
09:21:21 He's a corporal now.
09:21:23 I would like everybody to know he also spent one
09:21:25 combat tour in Iraq because he's in the Army reserve.
09:21:28 So we are very, very proud to have Eddie as our
09:21:32 officer of the of the month actually for July.
09:21:34 Thank you.
09:21:36 [ Applause ]

09:21:37 Then our second Officer of the Month, which will be
09:21:42 for August, is corporal Bryan Adkins.
09:21:46 Normally, this Officer of the Month, usually we give
09:21:52 to a line officer, somebody that's out on the street.
09:21:55 Occasionally, we give it to somebody in support.
09:21:57 And Bryan Adkins is one of those that we gave in
09:22:00 support, because he's just done such an incredible job
09:22:04 in our personnel division.
09:22:05 It's very time consuming and laborious to hire a
09:22:10 police officer.
09:22:11 Usually takes somewhere between four and six months,
09:22:13 because there's just all kinds of things that you have
09:22:15 to do in the way of background checks, and mental
09:22:20 evaluations, and neighborhood surveys, and just
09:22:24 polygraphs, and there's a whole string of things that
09:22:28 has to be done.
09:22:29 Before Bryan went in there, we usually -- we had about
09:22:35 30 to 40 openings.
09:22:37 It really wasn't so much -- we had applicants, because
09:22:42 we are one of the more respected agencies in this
09:22:45 area, and a lot of people want to come to the Tampa
09:22:47 Police Department.

09:22:48 So we have a good list of applicants to choose from,
09:22:52 but our personnel department never could seem to
09:22:58 process them at the speed we would like so we always
09:23:00 had 30 or 40 openings at the police department.
09:23:02 And since Bryan got in there, that is generally down
09:23:07 now to single-digit numbers.
09:23:10 So he's usually got eight or nine openings which you
09:23:13 just about have to have because you are never going to
09:23:15 be absolutely full all the time in the police
09:23:17 department, not with the thousand or 1300 employees.
09:23:21 And really the kind of amazing thing about this is
09:23:26 that of all the budget cuts that occurred at the
09:23:28 police department, he lost about half of his working
09:23:33 force over there, because most of them were civilians,
09:23:36 or if they were law enforcement officers, we moved
09:23:39 them back to the street as part of our
09:23:41 reorganizations.
09:23:42 So he's done it with less people, and he's got the job
09:23:47 done.
09:23:48 So that's the reason we selected Bryan Adkins.
09:23:54 [ Applause ]
09:23:56 And his lovely wife is a captain on our police

09:24:01 department, also, and also a long-term employee here.
09:24:10 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you, chief.
09:24:11 We'll do officer Croissant, congratulations on your
09:24:17 promotion, sir. This commendation is presented by
09:24:22 Tampa City Council to you for your outstanding service
09:24:25 that you have done, not only to get this reward, but
09:24:28 for the years of service that you have committed
09:24:31 yourselves to keeping our streets safe and keeping our
09:24:35 citizens away from crime that is rampant throughout
09:24:39 this country.
09:24:40 And I want to thank you on behalf of our chairman, and
09:24:43 the members of Tampa City Council for what you've
09:24:46 done, and your service to the military.
09:24:50 You certainly are a stand-up individual who deserves
09:24:53 much more than an accommodation.
09:24:56 [ Applause ]
09:24:58 Since then says Charlie's, I was going to put it in my
09:25:09 pocket but I noticed it has "Croissant."
09:25:15 Invite your family, invite everybody.
09:25:17 I don't know if they will pay for it, but invite them.
09:25:20 [ Laughter ]
09:25:22 >> I would just like to thank have been and thank the

09:25:25 chief and my chain of command, my majors here.
09:25:28 I appreciate the recognition.
09:25:30 Thank you.
09:25:33 [ Applause ]
09:25:46 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: He's pulling rank again.
09:25:47 This goes to corporal Bryan Adkins for the amount of
09:25:50 work that he's done in the variations in changing the
09:25:54 procedures to make sure that the Tampa Police
09:25:55 Department is certainly right near where it should be.
09:26:00 And we are never going to be 100% other than we are
09:26:02 going to solve 100% of the crimes on the street.
09:26:05 But in this case, being at 97, 98% from where you
09:26:09 were, and he's done an outstanding job and I can see
09:26:13 why.
09:26:14 I know you're the boss.
09:26:15 And we all have those when you are married and I
09:26:20 understand that very much.
09:26:22 On behalf of Chairman Scott and the members of the
09:26:24 Tampa City Council again, this commendation, he
09:26:27 deserves a lot more than that for the work that he's
09:26:29 done so diligently for the city for many years.
09:26:32 Thank you, captain Adkins.

09:26:37 Again this is Charlie's and invite the whole family
09:26:40 and do whatever you like.
09:26:42 >>> My husband sends his regrets.
09:26:46 Our only granddaughter is diagnosed with leukemia last
09:26:49 week.
09:26:49 She's only nine months old.
09:26:51 So we are having to prep the house for them to come
09:26:54 stay with us so that's why he's not here so I'm sorry
09:26:56 he's not here but my husband is a very dedicated
09:26:59 worker.
09:27:00 In my last two motions he's been transferred.
09:27:03 He's a good sport with everything.
09:27:05 And he really, really loves the work with Tampa Police
09:27:13 Department.
09:27:14 Thank you.
09:27:14 >> I believe we have a few, maybe many, opportunities
09:27:18 for individuals who would be grateful for what you all
09:27:23 have done.
09:27:24 >> Tom Wagner, Florida Aquarium.
09:27:26 On behalf of the Florida Aquarium I would like to
09:27:29 present with you a family of four membership to the
09:27:31 aquarium.

09:27:31 Be sure to bring the kids out and enjoy it.
09:27:43 >> Danny Lewis from Bill Currie Ford Lincoln-Mercury.
09:27:47 Congratulations to your husband.
09:27:57 We have this watch.
09:27:58 In the middle of the night, 3:00 in the morning, it's
09:28:00 cold and rainy, the watch let's now we care very much.
09:28:07 Thank you.
09:28:09 >> Steve Stickley representing Stepp's towing service.
09:28:14 On behalf of step's towing service and Jim and Judy
09:28:17 Stepp, corporal, we would like to present that statue
09:28:21 to you for a job well done.
09:28:22 Also as a former marine, I appreciate your
09:28:25 contribution.
09:28:29 And thank you to your husband for a job well done,
09:28:32 what he's doing.
09:28:34 We hope he has a place for that in his office and two
09:28:36 gift certificates to Lee Roy Selmon's.
09:28:44 >> Good morning.
09:28:46 I'm with Tampa Police Department, vice-president of
09:28:50 the Tampa police benevolent association.
09:28:55 Ourselves and -- it is my proud honor today to present
09:29:01 both Bryan Adkins and corporal Croissant with an

09:29:07 award.
09:29:08 We have a shirt to be given to each.
09:29:10 We also have certificates that we haven't published
09:29:13 yet, and again award each month in a joint partnership
09:29:20 with them to present each one.
09:29:24 I have worked with them throughout my career, which is
09:29:28 very long, light at the end of the tunnel.
09:29:34 Very outstanding officers both of them and it's a
09:29:37 pleasure to work with both of them.
09:29:40 This is for Bryan Adkins.
09:29:44 If it's the wrong size bring it back.
09:29:47 Bring the receipt.
09:29:50 And Eddie, also for you.
09:29:52 Again, a pleasure.
09:29:53 Thank you very much.
09:29:59 >> Good morning, council.
09:30:03 Good morning, Chief Hogue.
09:30:04 On behalf of Michelle Patty, referral and attorney
09:30:09 service, I am CEO, it is our pleasure to present you
09:30:12 all with gift certificates to Macy's.
09:30:16 We want to say to the family, to you, your husband,
09:30:19 the grand baby as a grandmother, our prayers are with

09:30:21 you all, and that we will definitely be praying for
09:30:24 you day and night that she comes through all right.
09:30:26 And we would like to see a job well done, and you do
09:30:29 have community support.
09:30:35 >> On behalf of Tampa Lowry Park Zoo we want to thank
09:30:45 you all for what you do for our community and we would
09:30:47 like to invite you and your family to come spend the
09:30:53 day at the zoo on us.
09:30:59 >>STEVE MICHELINI: I'm not going to read each of these
09:31:02 twice so I am going to read them for both of you.
09:31:04 For corporal Adkins and for master control officer
09:31:06 Croissant.
09:31:09 The Hillsborough County towing association is going to
09:31:11 present with you a $50 gift certificate to your choice
09:31:14 of Lee Roy Selmons, Carabbas, or Outback for both.
09:31:20 On behalf of Bern's steakhouse we are going to provide
09:31:24 you with a $100 gift certificate to Bern's.
09:31:27 On behalf of rigatoni's restaurant we are going to
09:31:30 give you a $50 gift certificate to rigatoni's.
09:31:35 And on behalf of the Bryn Allen studios we are
09:31:37 providing you with a photographic package, that you
09:31:40 can have your photos taken for you and your family.

09:31:44 Congratulations.
09:31:44 [ Applause ]
09:32:01 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you all for attending.
09:32:03 We are really appreciative of the work our fine men
09:32:06 and women are doing at the police department.
09:32:08 Thank you very much.
09:32:08 It my pleasure, I'm sure councilman Caetano,
09:32:13 Councilwoman Saul-Sena and Chairman Scott, are just as
09:32:15 appreciative if not more of the good work that you are
09:32:18 doing, and I hope Godspeed on the recovery of your
09:32:22 granddaughter and we are all praying for it very much.
09:32:25 Thank you very much.
09:32:28 [ Applause ]
09:32:34 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you very much.
09:32:35 Thank you, Mr. Miranda.
09:32:39 We will now have roll call.
09:32:50 (roll call)
09:32:54 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Also, I have a memorandum from
09:33:03 Councilwoman Miller.
09:33:04 Please be advised they'll be absent from the 08-28-08
09:33:09 Thursday morning and evening session due to an
09:33:11 out-of-town engagement.

09:33:13 Thank you in advance for your attention to this
09:33:15 matter.
09:33:15 And this is from Councilwoman Miller.
09:33:18 We also have one item, council, we need to dress
09:33:26 quickly and then move to our transportation workshop.
09:33:28 We have a continued public hearing for item number 3.
09:33:35 >>CATHERINE COYLE: Land development.
09:33:36 Just to remind you, this is a special use application
09:33:41 for a 2(COP-R) for the location at 3644 west Kennedy.
09:33:47 This half of the structure at Kennedy and Sterling.
09:33:51 Last time we were here the question became what the
09:33:55 waivers were going to be for parking.
09:33:57 What it boiled down to is they went back and counted.
09:34:00 There are 25 parking spaces that are required for the
09:34:04 use.
09:34:04 And remember the use itself is actually a shared --
09:34:08 it's a shared structure, it's two units within one
09:34:11 structure and they share these 19 spaces.
09:34:13 What it boiled down to, 25 spaces are required for
09:34:16 both uses, 19 on-site, so the request is to waive not
09:34:20 only the distance separation requirements but also
09:34:23 reducing the parking from 25 to 19 spaces and also

09:34:27 reducing the stall length from 18 feet to 12.5 feet
09:34:33 for the parking spaces for the existing conditions.
09:34:35 Transportation still has an objection because it does
09:34:37 exceed the 20% reduction.
09:34:38 That is their policy.
09:34:41 Council does have the ability to waive that.
09:34:43 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Sorry to interrupt. If you do intend
09:34:45 to take any testimony, I believe the witnesses should
09:34:47 be sworn in, if you do intend to take any testimony.
09:34:50 >>CATHERINE COYLE: Also there was a substitute
09:34:52 ordinance in case you are wanting to approve it.
09:34:55 It has been submitted to Mr. Shelby, the substitute
09:34:57 ordinance.
09:34:57 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Anyone that wishes to address council,
09:35:00 you need to stand and be sworn.
09:35:06 (Oath administered by Clerk).
09:35:13 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Also let me remind you there are only
09:35:16 four.
09:35:16 >>STEVE MICHELINI: Yes, sir.
09:35:19 This is regarding the Ethiopian restaurant.
09:35:22 Basically we have an existing condition.
09:35:23 It was a restaurant before, and they are requesting to

09:35:26 add the alcohol beverages for beer and wine.
09:35:30 We had no opposition last time and we are respectfully
09:35:32 requesting your approval.
09:35:33 We know that we'll have to expedite this in two weeks
09:35:37 to try to get them open for the grand opening on the
09:35:39 13th or 12th.
09:35:41 But we certainly greatly appreciate your
09:35:43 consideration.
09:35:43 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Move to close the public hearing.
09:35:48 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Second.
09:35:48 (Motion carried).
09:35:59 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Recognizing that Kennedy Boulevard
09:36:01 is a bus route and it offers alternative forms of
09:36:05 transportation I move an S-2 for alcoholic beverage
09:36:08 sales, small venue and making lawful the sale of
09:36:10 beverages containing alcohol of more than 1% by weight
09:36:14 and not more than 14% by weight and wines regardless
09:36:17 of alcoholic content beer and wine 2(COP-R) for
09:36:19 consumption on premises only in connection with a
09:36:21 restaurant business establishment on that certain lot,
09:36:24 plot or tract of land located at 3644 West Kennedy
09:36:27 Boulevard, Tampa, Florida, more particularly described

09:36:30 in section 2 hereof, approving waivers as set forth
09:36:33 therein waiving certain restrictions as to distance
09:36:36 based upon certain findings providing for repeal of
09:36:38 all ordinances in conflict, providing an effective
09:36:39 date.
09:36:43 >>THOMAS SCOTT: All in favor signify by saying Aye.
09:36:45 Opposes?
09:36:47 >>THE CLERK: Second reading and adoption has been
09:36:49 scheduled for September 11th at 11:00.
09:36:52 >>> Council, we greatly appreciate your indulgence.
09:36:55 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Okay, thank you.
09:36:56 Now to our transportation workshop this morning.
09:37:01 It's my pleasure to have with us this morning Ray
09:37:06 Chiaramonte who is the interim Executive Director of
09:37:11 the MPO, also David Armijo, Executive Director of
09:37:19 parks, and Holland and Knight, and Elaine McCloud,
09:37:24 transit manager for the City of Tampa.
09:37:26 They are going to come forward and make presentation
09:37:27 to us.
09:37:29 Now, about two months ago, I think it was, three
09:37:32 months ago, I met with Ray Chiaramonte and Crawford
09:37:37 and David Armijo and talked about the whole initiative

09:37:42 of light rail for the City of Tampa, Hillsborough
09:37:45 County, and we had a very healthy discussion.
09:37:48 And we invited him to come today to make a
09:37:51 presentation to City Council so that we all are up to
09:37:54 speed on light rail and transit.
09:37:57 And so with that being said, who is going first?
09:38:03 Okay, Ray, come on.
09:38:05 Mr. Chiaramonte.
09:38:09 >> Thank you.
09:38:12 If you can have my presentation put on, that would be
09:38:15 helpful.
09:38:16 There we go.
09:38:17 Great.
09:38:17 I'm going to go a little bit faster than normal.
09:38:20 I think some of you may have seen the earlier version
09:38:22 of this presentation.
09:38:23 It keeps evolving as we go farther in.
09:38:26 And what I am going to try to do is make the case as
09:38:29 to why we need to include light rail in our long-range
09:38:32 transportation plan which the MPO is working on right
09:38:35 now.
09:38:41 We want to be transit ready and we want to move

09:38:44 forward.
09:38:45 Obviously, one of the issues is growth.
09:38:48 Although we might be in a slowdown now, we have been
09:38:50 in them before.
09:38:51 And our population projections show that we will grow
09:38:54 in the future, not that we don't have enough people in
09:38:57 traffic here right now to support light rail.
09:38:59 But we are growing, so that's an important
09:39:02 consideration.
09:39:04 Another important consideration is something that
09:39:06 happened about 65 years ago.
09:39:08 And that's World War II, where the birth rate dropped.
09:39:13 And part of the reason I think we are going through
09:39:14 some of the downturn is that right now we are in a
09:39:17 very low period of birth rate.
09:39:19 These are the people that were born at the end of the
09:39:21 World War II before the baby boom.
09:39:23 So there's a low level of people turning 65 right now.
09:39:26 That's going to change in 2009.
09:39:28 And you can see between 2010 and 2023 it's going to be
09:39:31 much higher.
09:39:32 So it going to change the demographic mix.

09:39:37 Housing preference filed from 1970 to 2006, you can
09:39:41 see you have a much larger percent of housing in
09:39:44 really nonsingle-family oriented housing, because of
09:39:49 again the change in our demographics.
09:39:53 In fact, attached single-family houses which would
09:39:57 include townhouses have grown between 2002 and 2007 by
09:40:01 40% compared to the growth rates in the other type of
09:40:03 units.
09:40:04 So you can see where the growth is occurring.
09:40:08 Hillsborough County is a little different than our
09:40:11 surrounding counties, when you look a Hillsborough,
09:40:13 the average age is much error lower than the
09:40:15 surrounding counties and our percentage of people born
09:40:17 within the State of Florida is much higher.
09:40:19 So we have a different demographic than the
09:40:23 surrounding counties of the Tampa Bay area.
09:40:26 When we are looking at comparable areas of light rail,
09:40:29 dropping out the big ones like New York and Chicago,
09:40:31 and looking at cities more comparable, we can see our
09:40:34 metro population is right in the middle of cities that
09:40:36 already have rail or will very soon have rail.
09:40:40 So we definitely have the size here.

09:40:44 We also have the central city density, the density of
09:40:47 Tampa in 2005 was about 2800 per square mile in the
09:40:51 city limits.
09:40:52 Very comparable with other cities that have rail
09:40:54 transit.
09:40:54 So again there's nothing unique about Tampa.
09:40:56 We do have the density to support rail.
09:41:01 We are the 13th largest television market,
09:41:03 19th largest metro area, and Tampa and Detroit
09:41:06 right now are the only cities actually in the top 30
09:41:10 that don't have rail, or very soon have rail, and my
09:41:13 understanding Detroit is also seriously considering
09:41:15 it.
09:41:16 So if we don't hurry up we will be totally the outman.
09:41:22 If you look at Hillsborough County, we fit the United
09:41:24 States very well.
09:41:25 Average household size is almost identical.
09:41:27 Our median age is almost identical, the population
09:41:32 which might surprise is you actually less than the
09:41:34 units as a whole, our adult population is exactly the
09:41:36 same.
09:41:37 Our educational levels almost exactly match the United

09:41:43 States as a whole.
09:41:44 Emerging cities, a lot changed since we last talked
09:41:47 about this back in the 90s.
09:41:49 Dallas, Charlotte, Houston, Phoenix.
09:41:53 It's going to open at the end of the year.
09:41:55 All these cities have come on board. That wasn't the
09:41:57 case ten years ago.
09:41:58 Denver is another system that has just come on board.
09:42:02 So there's success in these other areas.
09:42:04 We have the new ingredient, fuel cost in the
09:42:07 environment, which is changing the way people think.
09:42:09 I know it has changed the way I think about things so
09:42:11 I'm sure it's changed other people's minds, too.
09:42:14 We have a limitation of a road-only approach.
09:42:18 Once you get a rail system in, it's much easier to add
09:42:21 capacity than it is to highway transportation system.
09:42:27 In Charlotte, we were told because ridership has about
09:42:31 doubled what is expected, they are going to buy four
09:42:34 more cars for the system.
09:42:35 That's a lot easier than buy right-of-way to add a new
09:42:38 lane.
09:42:39 Just to show you the size difference comparing light

09:42:42 rail car with the amount of single occupancy vehicles
09:42:44 it takes to transport the same number of people, you
09:42:47 can see what the problem is.
09:42:52 We are short on our capital investments for
09:42:54 transportation here in Hillsborough County.
09:42:57 Just the interstate between Westshore and downtown is
09:43:03 almost 700 million.
09:43:05 We are talking about big money for roads.
09:43:07 So you have to balance that with what rail transit
09:43:12 costs.
09:43:12 Transit ridership is increasing.
09:43:15 Vehicle miles driven is decreasing a little.
09:43:17 But I don't know if that will continue.
09:43:20 But you can see light rail ridership is up.
09:43:26 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Does it cost an arm or leg or both?
09:43:28 >> People are driving a little less and relooking at
09:43:31 transit.
09:43:32 Just in Hillsborough County our bus ridership has gone
09:43:34 up.
09:43:34 But it just isn't about transit.
09:43:36 It's also about land use and having the supportive
09:43:39 land use policies to really create a different kind of

09:43:41 community that even supports transit more than the one
09:43:44 we have now.
09:43:45 It also attracts new development in areas like Dallas.
09:43:48 We have tremendous investments.
09:43:51 We have examples here in just the Channel District
09:43:53 after the streetcar was planned.
09:43:54 We still saw great increase in future development,
09:43:58 both with that and the completion of Meridian street.
09:44:04 Land use is important to support the multimodal
09:44:09 aspects of transit.
09:44:10 So how we develop is extremely important.
09:44:13 Because of that, that connection, we need to make sure
09:44:17 we plan our communities more support with transit in
09:44:20 the future two. Examples obviously are Channel
09:44:21 District of Tampa.
09:44:22 We have a transit oriented community out in the
09:44:25 Westchase area called west park village that was built
09:44:27 in the 90s with the idea some day it would connect
09:44:30 to the rail line along Linebaugh Avenue.
09:44:33 You look at our regional density where people live,
09:44:35 you see it does make us a little unique that we are
09:44:38 not one metro area.

09:44:40 We have several centers in our region of population
09:44:42 density, also employment density, so you kind of see
09:44:45 where people work.
09:44:46 If you look at Hillsborough County, our four main
09:44:49 employment areas, and draw circles around each one of
09:44:51 them, you end up with about 7% of the land in the
09:44:55 area.
09:44:55 You end up with 20% of the population.
09:44:58 But you end up with 42% of the jobs.
09:45:02 So the key is to connect these circles to the places
09:45:04 where people live.
09:45:06 Again, Tampa grows by a huge percentage during the day
09:45:10 as people come in to Tampa to work.
09:45:12 Since our major employment centers other than the one
09:45:14 at Brandon are all located within the city, we are the
09:45:16 third highest percentage increase of commuters of any
09:45:19 city in the United States.
09:45:23 We know that we are getting people coming from
09:45:25 surrounding counties.
09:45:25 You can see these diagrams showing where people that
09:45:28 work in USF live, where people that work at downtown
09:45:33 Tampa live and people in Westshore live and you can

09:45:36 see they come from a variety of areas so we do need to
09:45:39 think of any plan we to in Hillsborough County needs
09:45:40 to connect to a regional plan.
09:45:43 80% of Hillsborough County workers reside within the
09:45:45 county.
09:45:46 20% come from the surrounding counties.
09:45:48 Of those, largest is Pinellas, Pasco and Polk.
09:45:53 Daily bus trips on Hartline is going up as you can see
09:45:56 from this chart.
09:45:57 And that's continued to increase.
09:45:59 I do use the bus on occasion and I have noticed a
09:46:02 definite difference in the last year in the amount of
09:46:04 people on the bus that I use.
09:46:07 The Planning Commission if he beginning of the update
09:46:09 of our comprehensive plans, pass a resolution they
09:46:13 wanted all four jurisdictions to consider transit,
09:46:16 especially rail, in their long-range plans, which we
09:46:19 did do.
09:46:20 Hillsborough County just went into effect about two
09:46:22 days ago.
09:46:23 The city's comprehensive plan is up in Tallahassee
09:46:26 right now.

09:46:27 And Plant City and Temple Terrace are following behind
09:46:30 over the next six months.
09:46:32 Hillsborough County's plan focused on creating
09:46:35 activity centers to deal with the large growth
09:46:37 anticipated within Hillsborough County, to try to use
09:46:41 land efficiently within the urban service area, the
09:46:43 county did not expand the urban service areas by the
09:46:46 population increase, trying instead to maximize
09:46:50 infrastructure investments, and to continue with a
09:46:53 choice of three lifestyles.
09:46:55 They wanted to balance land uses, creating people
09:46:59 where people can live, work and play in the same area,
09:47:02 reinvesting existing communities, and employment and
09:47:05 housing opportunities in close proximity, to try to
09:47:08 balance things out.
09:47:10 With the activity centers, we have identified activity
09:47:13 centers within the county's plan, areas where we want
09:47:16 to see future planning cause more development in those
09:47:19 areas by transit.
09:47:26 So it's important that we create these walkable
09:47:28 pedestrian-friendly environments to support transit in
09:47:31 the future.

09:47:31 We also want to encourage the creation of multimodal
09:47:35 districts, and that's an important component, also, to
09:47:37 encourage development areas where we want ton see
09:47:40 transit.
09:47:41 So we tried to use these transit corridors, to focus
09:47:44 intensities in the county's plan and create incentives
09:47:46 along the transit corridor much like we did in the
09:47:49 city.
09:47:51 Tampa's comprehensive plan, which is up at the state
09:47:57 right now.
09:47:58 Again I'll remained you the idea with livability,
09:48:02 livability was talked about as being a healthy
09:48:05 environment, sustainability, mixed use, arts and
09:48:10 cultural, viable city.
09:48:13 These are all components of the Tampa comprehensive
09:48:15 plan, as you remember.
09:48:16 Again having all of these items in place create a
09:48:19 livable community.
09:48:23 We are having significant employment growth in the
09:48:26 City of Tampa.
09:48:26 Again about 132,000 employees, a rather unique
09:48:30 situation, most older central cities like Tampa are

09:48:33 not growing at this rate.
09:48:35 We are competing well with the suburbs here in job
09:48:38 creation.
09:48:39 Also in population growth we expect about another
09:48:41 95,000 people over the next 20 years in the City of
09:48:44 Tampa.
09:48:45 So again, that's making it even more appropriate for
09:48:50 transit.
09:48:55 Reminding you of the areas where we want to intensify
09:49:00 growth.
09:49:00 We have Westshore, university, university of Tampa,
09:49:04 more stable communities north and South Tampa, and our
09:49:07 CRAs are in this area.
09:49:09 We identified we want our CRAs to grow and the
09:49:12 character we want to see them grow and they would all
09:49:14 be very close to the type of transit system that we
09:49:16 are talking about.
09:49:20 Westshore has become a very important employment
09:49:23 center.
09:49:24 It's changing its character.
09:49:25 We are getting much more applications for mixed use
09:49:28 projects that will include residential, more hotels,

09:49:31 more retail, in addition to its reputation as being an
09:49:35 office center.
09:49:36 On the university area we have the Moffitt research
09:49:38 institute, Busch Gardens, the tenth largest university
09:49:43 in the country.
09:49:43 Again another major mode of activity that can be on a
09:49:46 transit line.
09:49:50 The city's plan talked about urban villages,
09:49:53 redeveloping our commercial arterials.
09:49:56 Many of our arterials, can increase bus service on
09:50:01 these roadways to make more intense living function
09:50:04 right within the transportation system.
09:50:06 To give you an idea of the kind much opportunities we
09:50:08 are talking about, this is why we call them
09:50:10 underutilized urban site.
09:50:12 There's choices as to how you develop it.
09:50:14 First you want to create a pedestrian infrastructure
09:50:16 to bring about the kind of development and
09:50:19 transformation you want to see for our city.
09:50:22 You don't want it that intense, you can go a little
09:50:25 less intense depending on where it is in our city but
09:50:28 there are a lot of opportunities for redevelopment

09:50:30 within the City of Tampa.
09:50:31 We want to promote appealing streetscapes.
09:50:33 That's the key to getting people to walk and use
09:50:36 transit, to make our community attractive.
09:50:39 We are competing in a global economy now.
09:50:42 We are not just competing against other cities in the
09:50:44 United States.
09:50:44 We have to make it a desirable place to live to
09:50:46 support our economic engines of which we have many.
09:50:49 We are very lucky to be in the position we are in.
09:50:52 So we want to continue to make our city attractive,
09:50:55 and transit is one way we can enhance that.
09:50:58 Our other smaller cities, Temple Terrace is working on
09:51:01 a redevelopment plan for their downtown area.
09:51:05 This new urbanism in character.
09:51:07 They are also working on a multimodal transportation
09:51:10 district so they can continue to develop in an
09:51:12 appropriate way and they can begin to use impact fees
09:51:16 and other things for transit and not only automobiles.
09:51:19 Plant City is doing the same.
09:51:20 They have a redevelopment plan.
09:51:23 They have also created a mixed use gateway on the

09:51:26 south side of Plant City to make sure it grows in a
09:51:28 different way and north in the area they created a
09:51:31 northeast master plan that will cluster development in
09:51:34 certain areas.
09:51:35 So all four jurisdictions are on board.
09:51:37 We have a transit concept plan.
09:51:39 This was adopted in November of 2007.
09:51:42 This is the basis for our long-range plan update that
09:51:45 we are working on now.
09:51:46 This is going to be incorporated with some tweaks and
09:51:49 changes that we are going to work on over the next
09:51:51 year into our 2035 long-range transportation plan.
09:51:55 We are required to have that done in November of 2010.
09:51:59 You can see from a regional perspective, the worst
09:52:02 roadways in red, in our region, all happen to be
09:52:06 within the City of Tampa.
09:52:08 And these are the segments.
09:52:10 I'm sure that you have ridden on them, as I this
09:52:17 morning coming to work.
09:52:18 And these are the type of areas that we have to free
09:52:20 up so our community can continue to grow.
09:52:25 We have a transit study that's quite extensive, the

09:52:27 Tampa light rail project from back in the late 90s.
09:52:30 We use that as a basis for our 2050 concept plan and
09:52:33 tray to build on that, maybe make some changes based
09:52:36 on how things have changed in the last ten years.
09:52:38 And we did talk to the public a lot.
09:52:41 They were supportive of the idea of more public
09:52:44 transportation, specifically light rail and increasing
09:52:46 bus service.
09:52:48 Bus technology can equal one arterial lane.
09:52:52 Light rail can equal four arterial lanes, commuter
09:52:56 rail can equal one interstate lane so these are all
09:53:00 alternatives to how we have been doing things in the
09:53:02 past.
09:53:05 The transit concept plan as it exists right now, which
09:53:08 will be relooking and probably change ago few things
09:53:11 on it, has one light rail line that will run from the
09:53:14 New Tampa area, through USF, downtown, out to
09:53:19 Westshore, and could go over to Pinellas County if
09:53:22 they wanted to participate in that.
09:53:24 The other line could come from the Brandon area
09:53:27 through downtown, through the airport, to Linebaugh,
09:53:31 and eventually out of the Linebaugh Avenue rail line

09:53:35 that goes into Pinellas County and eventually to the
09:53:36 Clearwater area.
09:53:37 So even though we might do something in Hillsborough
09:53:39 County, it can be done in a way that it can be
09:53:42 expanded and extended into the other parts of our
09:53:44 region.
09:53:45 Another line could run down through South Tampa around
09:53:48 the rail lane on the Crosstown.
09:53:52 We have some commuter rail ideas one going down to
09:53:54 Manatee and Sarasota County.
09:53:58 One going east into Polk County.
09:54:05 And then north.
09:54:08 Eventually this line ends in Brooksville.
09:54:10 This is a common theme.
09:54:12 We have trirail already in Florida that connects West
09:54:14 Palm Beach and Miami.
09:54:16 Other northern cities have commuter rail lines like
09:54:18 this.
09:54:19 Potential high speed rail line along I-4 depending on
09:54:22 the technology and how fast we want to the go, but
09:54:25 certainly that still is a possibility.
09:54:27 Of course, we have to have a bus system connecting

09:54:31 all.
09:54:31 We are going to be working with Hart to make sure we
09:54:33 have a circulator system that supports any type of
09:54:36 plan that comes out of it.
09:54:38 Again, we are looking at more the long range.
09:54:40 I think we will probably be looking at a little
09:54:42 shorter range, more implementation of our plan with
09:54:44 what they are doing with their alternative study.
09:54:48 Just very quickly, I am not going to go through
09:54:51 details but you have 65 miles of light rail in the
09:54:54 2050 concept plan, 95 miles of commuter rail within
09:54:58 Hillsborough County.
09:54:58 Again, it's important to compare to our comprehensive
09:55:02 plans.
09:55:02 We combined all four comprehensive plans together.
09:55:05 The areas in blue are the areas in the county's plan.
09:55:08 They have been designated major activity centers.
09:55:10 You can see where the circles are that I talked about
09:55:12 before, when we have 42% of our jobs located and you
09:55:16 can see how it all fits into the rail lines that
09:55:18 connect all of these circles.
09:55:21 You can see development opportunities along the

09:55:24 transit lines where you intensify stationary, for both
09:55:28 employment and housing density, to support future
09:55:30 investments.
09:55:32 Again, we have the job density now where we can even
09:55:36 guide it more in the future, and more of our growth
09:55:38 into these areas.
09:55:39 So we can end up hopefully at some point about 35% of
09:55:42 our household within a mile of the station at 49% of
09:55:45 our jobs, which is a pretty good ratio for a city to
09:55:48 have.
09:55:50 What's next?
09:55:51 As I said the concept plan was done in November 2007.
09:55:54 Our long-range transportation plan update is due
09:55:57 November 2009 so we are going to be working with Hart
09:56:00 and TBARTA and anyone else, the citizens, to really
09:56:03 tweak this 2050 plan and decide what projects need to
09:56:07 go into our 2035 federally mandated long-range
09:56:11 transportation plan update.
09:56:12 And those provide the tool box that if there is going
09:56:16 to be a referendum in 2010 which I actually believe
09:56:19 there should be we can pick the projects out of that
09:56:22 and use them because they are already in our

09:56:24 long-range transportation plan.
09:56:26 And that's my presentation.
09:56:27 I appreciate it.
09:56:28 If you have any questions, I would be happy to answer.
09:56:31 I have hard copies of anything if you so desire.
09:56:33 I appreciate it.
09:56:39 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Great presentation.
09:56:42 It just keeps getting tighter and clearer and it's
09:56:45 excellent.
09:56:46 Can we start using the premises of transportation
09:56:51 development as a basis of our zoning decision making?
09:56:54 >>> As soon as your new plan is in place, there are
09:56:59 policies that promote that plan and development which
09:57:01 should be very quick.
09:57:02 You can use the policies in your new plan, so I would
09:57:07 say yes, you will be able to do that very shortly, and
09:57:09 I think there might be some even in the existing plan
09:57:12 you can use, but I would highly recommend considering
09:57:14 that.
09:57:16 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Great.
09:57:17 Thank you.
09:57:17 >>THOMAS SCOTT: One other thing we need to point out,

09:57:19 Mr. Chiaramonte, we had discussion, and that is
09:57:23 whatever we decide that we have substantive plans so
09:57:28 there can be the connection.
09:57:31 That's why you mention the fact of New Tampa, and
09:57:33 perhaps over to Wesley chapel, I think, somewhere in
09:57:37 that area.
09:57:38 >>> Right.
09:57:38 I just want to a sure you, in my position at the MPO,
09:57:42 I am absolutely committed to working with Hart, so
09:57:46 working with TBARTA, anyone else working on
09:57:48 transportation to make sure we are all moving ahead
09:57:50 together.
09:57:51 And each have different responsibilities that they can
09:57:53 certainly be done in compatible ways, that we can move
09:57:56 ahead with 2010 as the goal area.
09:57:59 >> And I think we have to -- that's our intent to do
09:58:01 that.
09:58:02 I want to say that I believe that's the intent of the
09:58:05 Hillsborough transportation task force, Ken Hagan as
09:58:10 well, in work with TBARTA.
09:58:12 However you work and consider all the information on
09:58:15 Hillsborough is way out front of TBARTA and way ahead,

09:58:20 that we have to at least recognize that they can
09:58:23 connect and come along as we move forward.
09:58:26 >>> I agree with you.
09:58:28 We are way out ahead, and hopefully they realize that,
09:58:31 and are going to use a lot of the work we have already
09:58:33 done in their planning.
09:58:34 I feel confident that they will, not ignore that work,
09:58:38 and make sure that everything we do is compatible with
09:58:42 the eventual regional plan that they develop.
09:58:44 >> Right.
09:58:45 >> But it's important that when do move ahead.
09:58:47 If they are ready, fine.
09:58:48 If they are not, we are ready.
09:58:53 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Excellent.
09:58:54 The presentation getting better all the time.
09:58:57 Great job.
09:58:58 Mr. Armijo.
09:59:07 >>> Good morning.
09:59:09 Name David Armijo, the chief executive officer for
09:59:13 Hart.
09:59:13 Glad to be here.
09:59:14 Very happy to have an opportunity to address this

09:59:16 council.
09:59:17 It's always a pleasure to follow Ray.
09:59:21 I think Ray has done an excellent job in setting the
09:59:23 tone for a little bit of a map, a guideway as to where
09:59:28 we want to go and what are some of the opportunities
09:59:30 that we can very well see over the next four decade,
09:59:36 certainly as we go forward 2050.
09:59:38 The concepts that Ray talked about this morning are
09:59:40 certainly a number of projects and programs that
09:59:44 Hillsborough is working on right now.
09:59:46 And more specifically that includes everything down
09:59:49 the road that will evolve from the bus system we have
09:59:53 now, the streetcar, some of our paratransit programs
09:59:55 that we have got, very comprehensive system, to some
09:59:59 day include things like commuter rail and certainly a
10:00:01 light rail system.
10:00:02 My presentation today is going to focus a little bit
10:00:05 more on the -- I like to say this collectively -- the
10:00:08 "we."
10:00:08 What is it that "we" need to do today to build upon
10:00:13 the transportation concept that Ray laid out for us
10:00:16 for 2050.

10:00:17 My presentation this morning is going to look at that.
10:00:19 I want to look at a number of aspects and bring to
10:00:22 your attention as to how we want to move forward, what
10:00:25 are some of the next steps in our process.
10:00:29 And most importantly, I think by the time we work
10:00:32 through this presentation, I also want to be able to
10:00:36 elicit the support and assistance of this council as
10:00:39 we begin the journey of initiating what I believe will
10:00:42 perhaps be the most important and significant project
10:00:45 in this region for the next decade.
10:00:48 Specifically, the Tampa project, much like the Phoenix
10:00:53 we are going to do what we can to resurrect that
10:00:55 project, see what we have learned from it, and take
10:00:57 into account what we now know from all the visioning
10:01:01 and imaging meetings that waved throughout the
10:01:03 community over the last couple of years, the one bay
10:01:08 group and certainly the MPO.
10:01:10 We have gained a lot of perspective from that and want
10:01:12 to take advantage of that.
10:01:14 No project of this magnitude built without widespread
10:01:18 public support.
10:01:18 Your support is going to be critical in that.

10:01:21 As we talk about rail today, and we are going to talk
10:01:24 a little more about that in detail in a few moments,
10:01:29 why rail, why now?
10:01:30 A moment ago there was discussion about energy costs.
10:01:32 Energy costs have been creeping up in this country for
10:01:35 the last two or three years.
10:01:38 It came down a little bit last month about 22%.
10:01:41 It's going up again this morning.
10:01:42 Went up again yesterday.
10:01:43 The potential of a single storm coming into the
10:01:47 Louisiana area does represent a danger to some 35% of
10:01:51 our oil reserve that is might be affected by that.
10:01:54 They have already moved individuals from those oil
10:01:57 platforms today.
10:01:58 So you know there's going to be a little bit of
10:02:00 slowdown as a result of that.
10:02:03 Nationally it has been stated that transportation
10:02:05 numbers are down. In fact the vehicle numbers
10:02:07 traveled is down almost 5% over the past two years.
10:02:10 And that is helping us as far as our energy needs and
10:02:12 our costs.
10:02:13 But locally, way really want to focus on a little bit

10:02:16 in this transition as we two to this 2050, locally we
10:02:20 are moving from dialogue to action. In fact we read
10:02:22 about it.
10:02:23 We certainly show it every month.
10:02:25 A moment ago Ray was talking about the ridership
10:02:27 growth for Tampa.
10:02:28 In fact, on Monday and Tuesday, we weren't at 40,000
10:02:34 trips a educators we are at 46,000.
10:02:36 We now have over a million trips a month.
10:02:38 We are adding buses to a fleet that is somewhat
10:02:41 stagnant.
10:02:42 We are in the process at our next board meeting to
10:02:44 increase the fleet somewhat significantly over the
10:02:47 next year.
10:02:48 Again with over a million rides a month that's
10:02:50 interesting, but in fact our express services which is
10:02:52 ridership throughout our county is up 30% this year.
10:02:57 That's quite substantial.
10:02:58 We have been adding buses.
10:02:59 We have standing loads at some of those lines and it's
10:03:03 a pretty challenging period.
10:03:05 But most importantly some of our major corridors in

10:03:07 the major urban areas and Nebraska and Busch those
10:03:13 lines are up 15% this year.
10:03:15 While a lot of discussion is on the current energy
10:03:16 crisis the reality is that Hart ridership is up on
10:03:20 average 7 to 8% annually for the last four years.
10:03:23 So we are not just seeing something that's currently
10:03:25 happening, that's short-term that might be adjusted
10:03:28 and we see a change.
10:03:29 We are in fact meeting the demand.
10:03:32 Reality is we are way behind.
10:03:34 We are not providing the level of service, responding
10:03:38 to everything in this community.
10:03:41 We have had a little of that dialogue already.
10:03:43 Today I want to focus much more on one specific
10:03:46 project.
10:03:47 And where we want to go, again over the next decade.
10:03:51 One of the things we are going to learn over the next
10:03:53 two to three years as we begin to implement plans that
10:03:57 we began a couple of years ago on our bus rapid
10:04:00 transit is that all these major corridors like
10:04:02 Nebraska where we carry over -- historically 1.2
10:04:06 million trips a year on that line along Nebraska, this

10:04:09 year we are going to be closer to 1.4 million.
10:04:12 There is a point as we increase frequency now to
10:04:14 15-minute frequency and we go to 10 open minute
10:04:18 frequency the reality is you can only move so many
10:04:20 people on these lines.
10:04:22 It will be very exciting to add those service it is
10:04:24 next two years and even more exciting by 2012, 2013 to
10:04:28 be able to add an east-west line from Temple Terrace
10:04:31 that will get you to the airport, also in a ten-minute
10:04:34 frequency but the reality is as you start to look
10:04:37 further down the road, even bus rapid transit and
10:04:40 higher frequency and enhanced bus services are not
10:04:42 going to be able to move as many people as we need to
10:04:47 mover as fast as we need to move them and we will not
10:04:50 be as attractive and competitive as we need to do.
10:04:52 I would love to say we are doing an excellent job at
10:04:55 Hart and carrying more people but I also believe we
10:04:57 are a little behind.
10:04:58 I believe the demand is there.
10:04:59 We are actually trying to catch up to that demand, and
10:05:01 there's an opportunity out there for us, but we really
10:05:04 need to look at our services.

10:05:05 We are doing that.
10:05:06 Not just in efficiencies but in quality of services,
10:05:09 and today what I have done is taken a step out of this
10:05:14 process, and I want to focus again a little bit on the
10:05:17 rail.
10:05:18 And I asked Jeff Boothe to join me in this
10:05:21 presentation.
10:05:21 And Jeff, some of you have met Jeff, you may have read
10:05:26 about him, heard about him.
10:05:27 Jeff is a partner in the Holland and Knight law firm
10:05:30 that's based out of Washington, D.C.
10:05:32 He's been a team player for Hart, this city and this
10:05:35 county for many years.
10:05:37 Mr. Boothe has a great deal of experience, most
10:05:41 importantly with the federal transit.
10:05:44 There's over 110, or 120 type of programs to talk
10:05:48 about.
10:05:49 You really have to have a good understanding of the
10:05:51 process to be able to handle that.
10:05:53 Jeff started his career in Portland, Oregon.
10:05:56 As we know, Portland is one of the leaders in the
10:05:58 industry on the light rail and to be able to do street

10:06:01 cars and move people downtown.
10:06:02 So they are a great leader.
10:06:04 He helped bring the funding for the max light rail
10:06:08 system before he moved to Washington where he is now
10:06:11 working as staff assistant.
10:06:13 Also with the U.S. Senate and was involved early on in
10:06:15 the 1991 ICETEA that funds these major transit
10:06:24 programs.
10:06:25 Jeff is recognized as one of the foremost authorities
10:06:28 on federal funding, specifically in the area of rail
10:06:32 program which we are going to talk about today.
10:06:34 He's recognized as an expert.
10:06:36 He's also the founder of the new starts working group
10:06:39 that helps transit authorities and governments that
10:06:41 are seeking federal funding.
10:06:42 They are looking to establish these type of projects.
10:06:45 Having him with us today at this early juncture in
10:06:47 this process is very important.
10:06:49 So we are fortunate to have Jeff to join us today, to
10:06:52 be a part of our team here at Hart and for this city
10:06:55 as we begin this long process.
10:06:58 Jeff is going to take us through the process, talk a

10:07:00 little bit about some of the efforts that are going on
10:07:03 nationally.
10:07:05 He will give us a little bit of incite as to where the
10:07:08 next steps are for Hillsborough, Hart, Tampa, and what
10:07:11 we need to do.
10:07:12 With that I am going to turn this over to Jeff and
10:07:14 then come back for a few closing comments and be
10:07:16 available to take some questions.
10:07:18 Thank you.
10:07:18 Jeff.
10:07:20 >> Thank you for the opportunity to be here today.
10:07:26 What I would like to do is go through the process.
10:07:28 Let me just start and say in addition to the fact that
10:07:30 we represent the new start working group, and we
10:07:33 represent transit authorities who are going through
10:07:35 the federal process, also have the benefit of working
10:07:38 on the ground level working with City Councils, local
10:07:40 elected officials, business folks, and actually
10:07:43 develop stagnant moving projects forward.
10:07:47 Part of way bring to the table is not only what
10:07:48 happens inside the beltway but also what happens on
10:07:51 the ground, in different communities around the United

10:07:53 States who are trying to move projects and can bring
10:07:55 you some perspective of what's worked, what hasn't
10:07:58 worked, some of the challenges and some of the issues
10:07:59 that lie ahead, based on my experience working in
10:08:02 other communities around the United States, and I
10:08:04 noticed that Ray mention board of director Detroit.
10:08:06 I actually spent a lot of time in Detroit working with
10:08:09 the city and trying to move the project down, and in
10:08:13 Charlotte we represented Charlotte for awhile and
10:08:15 worked with the city in terms of building the south
10:08:19 corridor project and working with them, also advancing
10:08:21 three other corridors in the region.
10:08:22 So I think the point that Ray mentioned before I start
10:08:27 my presentation is that I think we are really at a
10:08:30 point where we are at a pivotal point for transit,
10:08:33 that the future, the past has been defined by building
10:08:36 the national highway system, the interstate system,
10:08:38 the future is defined by those communities that make
10:08:40 their investment in transit, because as Ray mentioned
10:08:43 we are running out of the ability to add capacity to
10:08:46 the highway system.
10:08:47 And that capacity has to be added in transit, and as

10:08:51 Ray mentioned the beauty of transit, connect to
10:08:53 capacity without ever increasing the right-of-way.
10:08:56 They are simply adding vehicles and increasing
10:08:58 frequency to that capacity.
10:09:00 And it's also very complementary in the steps you take
10:09:02 on T. O.D.
10:09:08 I think it's a huge part. Federal process.
10:09:10 You are also taking many steps that are crucial to
10:09:12 that process and crucial to our success.
10:09:14 So what I will try to go through are some of the
10:09:16 topics I'll try to cover today, in respect to your
10:09:20 time I won't go down to each and every point but I
10:09:22 think the important point is the process requires you
10:09:25 to develop a package called alternative analysis
10:09:28 package.
10:09:29 What is the problem you are trying to solve?
10:09:30 Is it congestion?
10:09:32 Is it future growth?
10:09:33 What is the issue that you are trying to address?
10:09:35 And wanted to be very specific about that.
10:09:37 You do have to look at alternatives.
10:09:40 So it's not just -- although your preference is rail,

10:09:44 do you have to look at a bus alternative as part of
10:09:46 the process and you do need to develop the technical
10:09:49 information.
10:09:49 So the relationship between heart and MPO will be
10:09:52 crucial in determining that information.
10:09:56 We need to look at, you know, frankly for the next
10:09:59 cycle for the appropriations process as well as the
10:10:01 authorization process, to look at trying to pursue
10:10:05 moneys.
10:10:05 And some of those sources are currently available to
10:10:07 you through the congestion mitigation, air quality
10:10:10 program.
10:10:11 As well as the planning dollars that come to the
10:10:13 region, to the state, but also there's the section
10:10:16 5339 program that specifically funds alternatives.
10:10:21 So some consideration should be given to seeking
10:10:22 funding and fund those sources to fund that project to
10:10:26 the FY 10 appropriations process and thought should be
10:10:30 given to that early next year to make that request.
10:10:33 An important point to the FTA process is recognizing
10:10:37 what is referred to as grant recipients.
10:10:40 To be a designated grant recipient means you have to

10:10:43 go through an FTA audit, review, and for this reason
10:10:49 there are only two currently designated grant
10:10:49 recipients -- one is HART and the other is the Florida
10:10:54 Department of Transportation.
10:10:55 So any other entity that would want to go through that
10:10:57 process is more than a year away from being eligible
10:10:59 to even receive federal dollars.
10:11:01 And so the timing is important.
10:11:04 You have two places to go to move the project forward
10:11:08 right now. Other organizations are a little farther
10:11:11 away from being able to do that.
10:11:18 >> FTA must approve you to advance you through each
10:11:19 phase of the process.
10:11:21 So you have got to get the "mother, may I" from FTA in
10:11:25 each phase before you move forward, so you have to
10:11:27 meet their requirements to be able to be considered to
10:11:28 advance in the process, so you must satisfy their
10:11:31 requirements through each phase of the project
10:11:32 development process.
10:11:34 Otherwise, you don't get to go forward.
10:11:35 So it's important, if the goal is to seek federal
10:11:38 money, to respect that process.

10:11:41 As I said, there's both the new starts and small
10:11:47 starts program. Let me help you understand the
10:11:47 difference.
10:11:47 Small starts are for smaller projects seeking less
10:11:50 than $75 million from the federal program and costing
10:11:52 no more than $250 million.
10:11:55 The larger projects where they seek more than $75
10:11:59 million from the federal program and the project cost
10:12:00 is over $250 million, You must go through the new
10:12:04 starts program.
10:12:04 So depending on the project, the project cost will
10:12:08 dictate what process you go through.
10:12:11 I would pretty much predict if you are going to go
10:12:14 through secure a light rail system you are going to be
10:12:16 in the new starts program, and not the small starts
10:12:18 program given the cost of that project.
10:12:21 Some of the key issues, rather than go through the
10:12:24 whole process let me highlight for you some of the key
10:12:26 issues that need to be addressed through each phase.
10:12:28 The first phase is sort of system planning.
10:12:31 And I think you have done some of that from Ray's
10:12:34 presentation, a lot of that has already been done in

10:12:36 terms of the early system planning.
10:12:38 So the next phase is our analysis.
10:12:40 And that basis really is to compare alternatives, to
10:12:43 select the alignment in the corridor, and the
10:12:47 technology, and then also the outcome of that is the
10:12:51 selection of the locally referred alternatives, and
10:12:54 that is the formal action taken to advance the
10:12:56 project, including the long-range transportation plan,
10:12:59 and take the formal action to formally adopt that
10:13:01 alternative.
10:13:03 The next phase is preliminary engineering for your
10:13:06 refining the project cost, arriving at the alignment
10:13:09 and the technology that you want to pursue, complete
10:13:12 the environmental process, you develop your financial
10:13:14 plan, and actually I have to put in place the moneys
10:13:17 necessary to finance both the capital and operating
10:13:20 costs of the system, and the conclusion in that
10:13:23 process is really two fold, one the issue of the
10:13:26 decision at the end, the environmental process, and
10:13:28 the formal request to enter final design made to the
10:13:31 federal transit administration.
10:13:33 And then ultimately, FTA enters into a full funding

10:13:36 grant agreement which in effect is a multi-year grant,
10:13:40 commitment from the federal government to you that
10:13:42 lays out in the attachment committed funding dollars
10:13:45 that they will provide each year, and they respect
10:13:51 that document so a project that receives a funding
10:13:55 grant agreement that money will be included in the
10:13:57 president's request to Congress and Congress will fund
10:13:59 that.
10:14:00 So from the standpoint of politics and working the
10:14:02 process, the hardest phase is the alternatives
10:14:06 analysis and PE phase.
10:14:07 But once you receive the full funding grant agreement,
10:14:11 once you are in the president budget, yes you have to
10:14:13 make the request to Congress to include the funding
10:14:15 but the reality is that Congress will respect that
10:14:17 document and has funded those projects.
10:14:19 So the hard work right now is to move the project
10:14:22 forward, and once it's under full funding grant
10:14:25 agreement, the president generally takes care of the
10:14:26 rest at that point.
10:14:28 It is a long process.
10:14:31 It is as I like to say when I do these presentations,

10:14:34 it's a marathon, it's not a sprint.
10:14:36 And you have to be persistent, because it does take
10:14:39 time to go through the FT practical process as well as
10:14:42 for you to go through the process of really going
10:14:44 through the public outreach, explaining the
10:14:47 alternatives, building community support, developing
10:14:50 the moneys, passing the referendum necessary to
10:14:53 finance the project.
10:14:54 So it is a process that helps you build support within
10:14:57 the community as well, to provide the technical
10:15:00 information that FTA needs to be able to make the
10:15:02 decisions to advance your project.
10:15:05 So it does take time.
10:15:06 We are certainly working hard to try to shorten that
10:15:08 process.
10:15:09 But it shouldn't take ten years.
10:15:11 A study I did for the American public transportation
10:15:14 association about two years ago demonstrated the
10:15:18 process going from a little over five years in 1991 to
10:15:21 close to ten years in 2006.
10:15:23 So the goal is to kind of shorten that process.
10:15:26 Because time is money in this program.

10:15:28 And every year it's delayed adds to project cost so
10:15:31 it's important to expedite the process as much as we
10:15:33 can.
10:15:35 So here is sort of a schematic, the projects in the
10:15:39 queue and the time it takes to go through the process.
10:15:42 And I would say the time it takes, for the first two
10:15:45 phases, is a function of the degree to which you can
10:15:48 get consensus in the community.
10:15:51 That a lot of the communities spend a lot of time in
10:15:54 PE, especially, because of the inability to build
10:15:56 consensus around the funding mechanism.
10:15:58 So the extent that a community can get its act
10:16:00 together it can actually shorten that, and final
10:16:03 design and construction phase is really complexity of
10:16:07 your project, the length and scope of the project will
10:16:09 dictate a lot of how much time you spend in that
10:16:12 phase.
10:16:12 We have a relatively less experience to small starts
10:16:14 project since it was only created in the last
10:16:16 authorization legislation.
10:16:17 So this is a general sense of the project in the
10:16:20 queue.

10:16:22 This is out of the of a report that I prepared.
10:16:26 Gives you an idea of the number of projects in the
10:16:28 queue.
10:16:28 It's a very competitive program.
10:16:30 Not all projects get funded.
10:16:31 The key thing in the process is the entry in the
10:16:38 preliminaries.
10:16:38 That is a crucial decision point by the FTA, in that
10:16:41 once they approve to enter into preliminary
10:16:44 engineering, at that point essentially they take
10:16:47 ownership of the project.
10:16:48 Now they are right alongside you working to make it
10:16:51 happen.
10:16:52 So the tough challenge is getting into that phase.
10:16:55 And to having FTA approve.
10:16:58 So what we see is a reduction in the number of
10:17:00 projects in that phase and that's a conscious decision
10:17:02 by FTA to weed out projects, what it takes to get
10:17:10 through the process.
10:17:11 That's also a function of the funding for the program
10:17:14 has not kept pace with the demand.
10:17:16 And we are seeing a lot of communities around the

10:17:19 United States building projects with local dollars,
10:17:21 and not taking every project through the federal
10:17:24 process, and we can talk about that if these something
10:17:26 of interest to the Tampa region.
10:17:29 One of the things we are trying to do in the upcoming
10:17:31 legislation is to let you get credit for that project,
10:17:34 as matched toward the project you take through the
10:17:36 federal process so you can respond to community demand
10:17:39 by taking multiple corridors rather than going through
10:17:42 a sequential approach.
10:17:43 So there's a lot of ways to address that and certainly
10:17:47 depending on the size of the referendum that can
10:17:48 certainly make more projects happen and we can talk
10:17:51 about how to leverage that through the federal process
10:17:53 to take maximum advantage of it.
10:17:55 So what are some of the key issues based on my
10:17:57 experience around the United States?
10:18:01 FDOT working with the MPO, with Hart, to both do the
10:18:06 on board surveys, bus raiders to get a sense of who is
10:18:09 using the system to look at issues relating to housing
10:18:12 and travel demand, where the jobs are going to be, to
10:18:14 connect -- you have done a pretty good job identifying

10:18:18 where the jobs are and the people are so that's
10:18:20 crucial to link up to those activity centers, to be
10:18:23 able to generate the ridership necessary to support
10:18:25 the project.
10:18:26 The crucial thing is most travel demand models don't
10:18:30 do a good job of picking up transit ridership so go to
10:18:34 identifying the transit riders and then having that
10:18:36 model interact with FTA software to deferral what's
10:18:39 referred to as the transportation system user benefits
10:18:42 because it's really looking at the travel time saved
10:18:44 by the persons using the project and so that becomes a
10:18:48 crucial issue in having it be able to integrate.
10:18:53 Another is the baseline alternative.
10:18:55 And if you are familiar with the environmental
10:18:57 process, it's a parallel process.
10:18:59 We are hoping to make it the same thing but right now
10:19:04 a parallel process, and what you are doing is
10:19:06 comparing the project you want to build to this
10:19:08 theoretical baseline.
10:19:09 And just to help you understand that that baseline is
10:19:12 not real.
10:19:13 It's not in your long-range plan.

10:19:15 It's not something that's within Hart's funding plan.
10:19:18 It is a theoretical baseline at which you are now
10:19:20 comparing the build project to that to look at the
10:19:25 incremental ridership, look at the travel time
10:19:28 benefits from the project, as well as other benefits
10:19:30 that will be derived from the build alternative for
10:19:33 FTA to make a decision to select Tampa versus some
10:19:36 other part of the country.
10:19:37 And so this becomes a crucial issue in terms of FTA
10:19:41 decision-making process, to sort of make the decision,
10:19:44 because they have way more demand than they have
10:19:46 money.
10:19:47 So this is a crucial part in terms of that
10:19:49 decision-making process.
10:19:51 But I just want to forewarn you that it's not a real
10:19:54 alternative.
10:19:55 And so it gets very frustrating if they don't see a
10:19:59 financial plan, they don't see the Hart plan, it's not
10:20:02 real.
10:20:04 Other fiscal capacity, have to have money to obviously
10:20:07 build and operate and maintain it.
10:20:09 So FTA put out a lot of scrutiny to make sure you

10:20:14 generate the revenues necessary both on the capital
10:20:16 side but also the long-term operation of the system.
10:20:18 And what we are seeing at the federal levels that at
10:20:21 one time you see 50%.
10:20:23 Congress has now relaxed that a little bit and we are
10:20:26 seeing more and more projects that are getting between
10:20:28 50 and 60% in terms of the federal share.
10:20:32 One word to the wise in terms of project costs,
10:20:35 there's the estimate to sell to the public and the
10:20:39 issue is that project costs are going to increase
10:20:43 because in all reality, the project is not going to
10:20:47 get built as fast as we would like it to be built so
10:20:49 time does cost, resulting in increased project cost.
10:20:54 In addition the engineering process helps refine those
10:20:56 costs.
10:20:57 So costs are going to go up if you have more specific
10:21:00 engineering and you get to a higher level of design
10:21:03 and higher level of engineering.
10:21:04 So it important to be careful as you serve cost
10:21:08 estimate to put them both in your expenditure but also
10:21:11 recognize that there's some contingency included in
10:21:14 there to recognize the additional engineering in terms

10:21:18 of refining the cost.
10:21:20 Then it's been my experience in other communities in
10:21:24 terms of cities that have done that.
10:21:26 I noticed a lot of interest in going to the airport,
10:21:29 to look at other communities in terms of the success
10:21:31 in generating ridership.
10:21:33 It's more for workers there as opposed to business
10:21:38 travelers.
10:21:38 It's usually the history.
10:21:39 And I think it important as you are looking at the
10:21:42 process, making a decision whether or not it goes
10:21:46 through the federal process.
10:21:48 It does reward the communities that have done good
10:21:51 planning, based on Ray's presentation I think you have
10:21:53 done a lot of planning and presentation for that.
10:21:56 This can be a catalyst towards a regional system.
10:21:58 That's a decision to be made going through the
10:22:00 referendum in the fall of 2010.
10:22:02 Consensus is huge.
10:22:04 You know, you are going to -- you have got multiple
10:22:08 voices competing for members of Congress attention in
10:22:11 terms of the kind of system you want to advance.

10:22:13 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Let me interrupt.
10:22:16 I don't want to you rush.
10:22:17 I heard your presentation.
10:22:18 It's excellent.
10:22:19 And I want us to be able to hear the rest of council.
10:22:22 But we need to take a five-minute break and come right
10:22:24 back and I'll let you continue.
10:22:26 But I want you to take your time, because it's an
10:22:28 excellent presentation.
10:22:29 We'll take a five-minute recess.
10:22:32 Five-minute break and come right back.
10:22:34 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Tampa City Council will come back to
10:35:18 order.
10:35:19 Roll call.
10:35:19 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Here.
10:35:23 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Here.
10:35:23 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: Here.
10:35:25 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Here.
10:35:28 You can continue now.
10:35:28 >> Okay, thank you
10:35:38 I want to back up for a second.
10:35:41 I have one slide I want to hit here.

10:35:44 I have been involved.
10:35:45 We represent Charlotte.
10:35:46 We represent north lake.
10:35:48 We have worked in other cities.
10:35:49 And, you know, Charlotte and Norfolk build the first
10:35:55 step to build the bigger system but I think what you
10:35:57 are seeing like in Denver, and Salt Lake did that, but
10:36:00 now Salt Lake has passed three successful referendums,
10:36:04 building three corridors at the same time.
10:36:07 Council near Salt Lake City on the procurement of
10:36:11 those five corridors.
10:36:12 I think what you are seeing in more and more
10:36:14 communities is the desire to move multiple corridors
10:36:16 at the same time.
10:36:17 As you look at the referendum coming in 2010 one of
10:36:20 the crucial issues is how big and how much it will
10:36:22 support, because you have the ability to not just
10:36:25 build one corridor but potentially to build more than
10:36:29 one corridor to address community demands, and
10:36:32 interest in having a rail system, and one of the
10:36:35 things looking at the federal level allows to be able
10:36:39 to leverage those dollars as matched for the one

10:36:42 project to take through the federal process.
10:36:45 And so the ability then is to use those dollars and we
10:36:49 are hoping based on what happened in Salt Lake,
10:36:52 groundbreaking where they entered into a memorandum of
10:36:55 understanding with FTA to let the money spent on the
10:36:57 local corridors to be serviced matched for the two
10:37:00 projects taken through the federal process, so to take
10:37:05 it through the federal process, 80%, but the overall
10:37:08 match of all five corridors is 50%.
10:37:12 And so I would say as you are looking and going
10:37:15 forward, we want to sort of move the project, sort of
10:37:19 a portfolio of projects, look at those candidate
10:37:22 projects that are best suited for the federal process,
10:37:25 to recognize there may be other corridors for which
10:37:27 there's community demand, that you would build locally
10:37:30 if you had a large enough referendum that would allow
10:37:33 to you move multiple corridors at the same time and
10:37:35 get something on the ground faster, and I would say if
10:37:39 there's a trend in this industry, that is the trend,
10:37:43 in more and more communities, to be able to move
10:37:45 multiple corridors at the same time.
10:37:46 So it's something to think about as you are doing your

10:37:50 planning over the next couple of years heading towards
10:37:52 a referendum in 2010, to think about that and give
10:37:55 some thought to that as you are going forward.
10:37:57 I just wanted to make that point and move forward.
10:38:00 Now, consensus is huge.
10:38:01 And we have got to get on the same page.
10:38:06 And that's part of what, as we were talking at the
10:38:10 break, I represented Hart for 13 years, and it's part
10:38:13 of the last iteration of this process failed is the
10:38:19 inability to get consensus, to put something on the
10:38:22 ballot.
10:38:22 So it's crucial to get consensus, speak with one voice
10:38:26 from Congress because if they hear multiple voices or
10:38:28 hear the region doesn't have its act together, that
10:38:32 that's going to give them pause to support the
10:38:33 efforts.
10:38:34 So it's important to try to build consensus, to speak
10:38:37 with one voice in the process.
10:38:39 You know, money talks in this process.
10:38:41 The communities that have been successful, there's one
10:38:43 thing that's true of each of them and that is that
10:38:45 they pass their referendums, they come to the table

10:38:48 with a pot of money, and the FTA sees that as interest
10:38:52 and willingness and ability to go forward.
10:38:55 So it's crucial to pass the referendum.
10:38:57 Now the timing of that is such that FTA doesn't
10:38:59 require you to actually pass a referendum until you
10:39:02 are ready to go into father-in-law design.
10:39:04 So the fact is that you don't need it in the process
10:39:08 although it helps, it would certainly help you get
10:39:10 into PE by showing FTA that you are ready because the
10:39:13 voters have spoken and they passed the moneys
10:39:15 necessary to build the project, but all we want to see
10:39:18 before you get into PE is you have a financial plan in
10:39:21 place, you have a plan to raise moneys, and you have
10:39:23 to pass the referendum before you complete PE.
10:39:26 So this is a little insight as you are looking at the
10:39:29 planning process.
10:39:30 And as I said persistence.
10:39:32 Lord knows this region knows persistence given the
10:39:35 fact the original projects started about I think the
10:39:39 time I came on board back in 1995 is when the original
10:39:44 project began the process.
10:39:45 So yes, you are being consistent.

10:39:47 It not unusual to come back a second time through the
10:39:49 process.
10:39:49 So you certainly know persistence in the region.
10:39:53 The authorization bill, we are in a really crucial
10:39:56 time in terms of federal policy.
10:40:00 One, we have the issue of the trust fund is in
10:40:02 trouble, the current funding mechanism, relaying on
10:40:04 the gas and tax cannot sustain the current program.
10:40:07 And that's part of the consequence that David talked
10:40:10 about, the fact that what beer seeing are a number of
10:40:13 factors, one, travel demands going down so people
10:40:15 aren't driving as much, aren't purchasing as much
10:40:18 gasoline, fuel economy is going up as cars are now
10:40:21 supposed to hit 35 mice miles per hour so people
10:40:23 aren't going to be buying as much gasoline.
10:40:25 We are seeing a growth in hybrids so they don't pay at
10:40:29 the pump or consume as much gasoline.
10:40:31 We are seeing those factors affecting moneys coming
10:40:33 into the trust fund.
10:40:35 So one of the big challenges is how do we support the
10:40:37 future of the system, because the gasoline tax is not
10:40:40 sustainable.

10:40:40 So one of the big issues that Congress will be
10:40:43 wrestling with is what's the new funding source?
10:40:46 Well, to talk about public-private partnerships, we
10:40:49 can certainly talk about that in the transit context,
10:40:51 of how that works and what are some of the
10:40:53 opportunities.
10:40:53 You have done a little bit of that using toll credits
10:40:55 as matched for projects, Hart exercised that but I
10:40:59 think we are talking about something more than that in
10:41:02 terms of the funding.
10:41:02 We are also looking at various types of taxing
10:41:05 mechanisms to the next bill and we may spend a fair
10:41:08 amount of time in the next Congress discussing how to
10:41:10 finance the next bill, and in all likelihood will
10:41:14 cause some delays.
10:41:14 Now, from your standpoint, the crucial thing is to
10:41:17 figure out what projects you want in the next bill, to
10:41:20 do that planning now, because we need to be ready to
10:41:22 go to Congress by January or February of next year
10:41:25 with what we want to get in the next bill.
10:41:28 Think about authorizations, because to get a new start
10:41:30 project the corridors must be authorized by Congress

10:41:33 so we need to look at the corridors, and think about
10:41:35 what projects we would like to get authorized, so that
10:41:38 we have the ability to use federal dollars once we
10:41:41 move the project through the process, that we have the
10:41:43 corridors authorized in the bill, so we need to think
10:41:46 about that as to what quarter should be authorized.
10:41:48 It's a pretty low bar.
10:41:50 So you want to be as expansive as possible in terms of
10:41:52 looking at your corridors, knowing that not all of
10:41:55 them will likely get funded in the next six years but
10:41:58 at least put them in there so that you have the
10:42:00 opportunity, should the projects move forward.
10:42:04 I think the big issues is redefining what is the
10:42:07 federal interest.
10:42:08 And what I mean by that is I think we are at a pivot
10:42:11 point and $4 a gallon gasoline really changed the
10:42:16 conversation about the role of transit combined with
10:42:18 focus on greenhouse gas emissions and the role of
10:42:21 surface transportation is 28 positive 30% of all those
10:42:25 emissions and the crucial issue in the surface
10:42:27 transportation sector is travel demand, meaning that
10:42:31 despite increasing standard, despite lower carbon

10:42:35 content of fuel, if we don't address travel demand, we
10:42:40 will have lost the battle with greenhouse gas
10:42:42 emissions from the surface transportation sector.
10:42:44 The work that you are doing in land use is crucial to
10:42:48 deal with travel demand and the surface transportation
10:42:51 sector because if we use transit linked with good land
10:42:56 use, which is going to address the issue of the
10:42:58 greenhouse gas emissions in the United States.
10:42:59 And so the community to get ahead of the game, that
10:43:03 address both the transit solution as well as linking
10:43:05 it with land use, the communities are going to be more
10:43:08 effective in responding to the concern about
10:43:10 greenhouse gas emissions.
10:43:11 And if you are interested there's your report card put
10:43:15 out by the Urband Land Institute that specifically
10:43:17 addresses this issue.
10:43:19 But I think that's certainly what we are working on,
10:43:21 and looking at the kind of change of legislation that
10:43:23 will come up next year.
10:43:25 As one additional funding source for transit as well
10:43:27 as land use activities, to help augment the moneys
10:43:31 coming from the gasoline tax.

10:43:32 I think throws also increasing focus on metro areas,
10:43:35 given that metro areas have 65% of all jobs, 60-plus
10:43:41 percent of all population so I think there's a need to
10:43:44 focus on the needs of those areas, ba us the nation's
10:43:46 economy very much depends on the effectiveness of
10:43:50 those areas to be able to function, and to future
10:43:54 growth as well as to be able to move traffic through
10:43:56 the community.
10:43:57 So that becomes very important.
10:43:58 So I think we are going to see some of those themes in
10:44:01 the next bill.
10:44:04 There's a lot of focus on gasoline tax.
10:44:06 But, you know, there's also looking at pay-as-you-go
10:44:10 insurance, vehicle registration fee tied to weight of
10:44:16 vehicles to deal with the impact on the highways but
10:44:18 also how many miles you travel so that you pay more,
10:44:22 if you travel more you pay less, if you travel less to
10:44:24 incent people, to use other forms of transportation.
10:44:28 I think we are looking at trying to streamline the
10:44:30 number of programs, to try to simplify the programs.
10:44:35 There's 160 total programs right now, and also change
10:44:37 the highway transits. It's been historically 80/20

10:44:38 between highway and transit.
10:44:40 I think as you look at where gasoline is and we look
10:44:43 at the ability of our metro areas to accommodate
10:44:46 additional highway capacity that we really need to
10:44:49 revisit that relationship to include more funding for
10:44:53 transits.
10:44:54 I just came back from Salt Lake.
10:44:55 We are meeting and one of things we are going to be
10:44:58 putting forward for the transit industry is the
10:45:00 creation of a national transit system that would be
10:45:03 augmenting the national highway system, and in effect
10:45:06 the argument will be that we spent the last 50 years
10:45:09 building the national highway system, we now need to
10:45:12 spend the next 50 years building the national transit
10:45:15 system.
10:45:15 So urging communities to develop a plan that will
10:45:18 incorporate those miles into the national transit
10:45:20 system, to increase the funding mechanism, as the
10:45:23 national highway system, to fund the national transit
10:45:25 system, to help build out that system.
10:45:29 And so I think that's one of the things that we are
10:45:31 going to be proposing to ACTA at their meeting on the

10:45:36 12th.
10:45:36 One of the things we should be moving forward in the
10:45:38 authorization bill, but I think also from your
10:45:41 standpoint as you are developing trial demand the last
10:45:44 thing I want to say is one of the other issues as we
10:45:46 go forward is identifying pedestrian and bicycle
10:45:50 activity around transit stations and within those
10:45:54 TODs because that's really the trip that is missing
10:45:57 from most travel demand models but will also help make
10:46:00 the case for transit, help make the case for
10:46:03 destinations and also do envision a day under
10:46:08 legislation, we have the potential to service an
10:46:10 offset, then would have value in a commodities market
10:46:13 with those offsets will have value for utilities
10:46:16 looking to place money to offset their emissions, and
10:46:19 those communities that can model that, demonstrate it
10:46:21 and document, might have the ability to attract
10:46:24 additional funding in such a system.
10:46:25 So I think it's something to give a lot of thought to.
10:46:33 Thank you.
10:46:33 >> Thank you.
10:46:37 >> David: We have a couple more slides and I know you

10:46:39 have some questions but if you will bear with me for a
10:46:42 moment.
10:46:42 I kind of regressed.
10:46:45 I want to introduce our vice chair for HART, Alison
10:46:48 Hewitt, is here today, and also I have
10:46:53 Mary Chavalier, our chief of development.
10:47:00 As years go by, she's kind of like our Lindsey Wagner,
10:47:04 kind of like our million dollar lady, because she's
10:47:06 working on a new starts program herself, working the
10:47:08 application process through, is going to bring about
10:47:10 $18 million that's going to help fund that east-west
10:47:13 BRT.
10:47:14 So if you don't remember Mary by name, just remember
10:47:18 the million dollar woman.
10:47:19 She'll be the 18 million or 19 million.
10:47:22 We keep adding money to that.
10:47:23 She'll be working very closely with Jeff as we go
10:47:27 forward.
10:47:28 Before we conclude, I do want to bring -- I'm not sure
10:47:33 if we have the slides.
10:47:34 A couple of key issues that are still remaining for us
10:47:36 as we go forward.

10:47:38 One is that while we took action, the Hart board took
10:47:44 action early this month to fund the next step in our
10:47:47 process to initiate an alternative analysis, the
10:47:50 majority of those funds go into our budget beginning
10:47:52 October 1st.
10:47:53 However, we have already taken steps both Hart as well
10:47:56 as the MPO to begin this process.
10:47:59 So I want to bring up those two points.
10:48:01 And Ray talked a little bit about it.
10:48:05 His staff is already working on modeling.
10:48:06 That's going to be the critical element as Jeff laid
10:48:09 out that we have to do for this whole process.
10:48:12 With the updating of the rail plan from 2035, the old
10:48:16 2025 plan actually still has the old rail plan in it
10:48:19 so we'll upgrade those systems.
10:48:21 We hope in our processes that we are going to be able
10:48:24 to move that along within about an 18-month period.
10:48:26 So our target date to wrap this AA is the spring of
10:48:31 2010.
10:48:31 So I made that commitment.
10:48:32 The staff is working on it.
10:48:34 I'm getting 18 months from October 1st so I have a

10:48:36 little bit of time to move that.
10:48:39 Process along.
10:48:40 Second part is we do have already planned and
10:48:42 scheduled to begin doing the onboard survey.
10:48:45 That's another critical elements of it.
10:48:47 So you could say in fact we are already at the
10:48:50 preliminary stages at a minimum to move that AA
10:48:53 process along.
10:48:54 Some of the key points that were talked about, and
10:48:57 Jeff's presentation of next steps, is really going to
10:48:59 be project selection.
10:49:01 We anticipate, if you look at the maps that Ray
10:49:05 produced, they are a little dated after 2002.
10:49:10 They do so as the northern portion of the system being
10:49:12 USF.
10:49:13 There may be some revolution or some movement as to
10:49:18 how we look at that corridor.
10:49:19 Most likely we'll take into account New Tampa into
10:49:22 that process.
10:49:25 We have a lot of time to work through it.
10:49:27 It's important that the core -- that the corridor be
10:49:31 defined.

10:49:32 It gives us time to come back and adjust the things we
10:49:34 need to do.
10:49:35 We'll also look at how best to prioritize the project.
10:49:38 Many of us think it's going to be a north-south
10:49:40 project into downtown.
10:49:41 We want to get to the airport.
10:49:43 To do the project as it was once laid out is 20 miles.
10:49:47 Phoenix, Arizona, you had Rick come out a few months
10:49:51 ago, he laid out the fact that Phoenix when they
10:49:53 opened that in December will be the largest start-up
10:49:56 system in America.
10:49:57 So 20 miles is a long way, a lot to do.
10:50:00 The cost may require us to save.
10:50:04 Takes process goes forward and the outreach we will be
10:50:07 discussing when we do that.
10:50:09 Most likely will be north south into downtown Tampa,
10:50:11 with a western way to take us to the airport.
10:50:15 Those will be things laid out as we go forward.
10:50:18 Another point that was made clear earlier today is the
10:50:20 referendum and the timing.
10:50:21 I really looked at this as three key points.
10:50:25 Politics, of course, the local aspects of it.

10:50:27 And process.
10:50:28 I think Jeff has given us a great insight into the
10:50:31 process, and knowing that he's going to be on our team
10:50:33 is going to give us a step up.
10:50:35 We shouldn't lose track of something.
10:50:38 I think we missed it in his presentation.
10:50:40 Jeff mentioned at times over the last several years,
10:50:43 there's anywhere from one to a hundred projects either
10:50:49 on the shelf, in concept, or actually in play.
10:50:52 That's a lot of competition for us.
10:50:55 In the last funding cycle there were 35 systems that
10:50:58 advanced through the AA process, only six of those
10:51:01 systems got funded.
10:51:03 So as we showed in the chart, there's going to be lots
10:51:06 of competition for funding.
10:51:08 Now, with that said, and even though there's some
10:51:10 challenges ahead, I do believe that this Congress and
10:51:13 this public right now is moving in the direction of
10:51:15 putting more priority to this.
10:51:17 Time is going to be critical for us.
10:51:19 And the process as well as the politics.
10:51:21 So it's clearly moving that process along is going to

10:51:24 be very critical.
10:51:25 On our side of it for Hart our next steps will include
10:51:28 the following: Our September 8th Hart board
10:51:32 meeting we will initiate and Mary will be making that
10:51:34 presentation the beginning of a project team.
10:51:36 We'll be getting information in advance of that
10:51:38 meeting.
10:51:38 What that really means is -- September 8th, yes,
10:51:43 our Monday Hart board meeting.
10:51:44 It's critical that that team be reflective of this
10:51:47 region.
10:51:48 They will have representation of all the stake holders
10:51:51 as we see them, both the city, the county, Hart, MPO,
10:51:55 TBARTA, FDOT, everybody needs to be at the table.
10:51:58 And we'll move as we go forward.
10:51:59 We expect that will become a steering committee that's
10:52:03 going to be a critical element in the communication
10:52:05 process.
10:52:05 Another element is going to be developing a work
10:52:07 approach.
10:52:08 What is the technical effort?
10:52:10 How do we coordinate that?

10:52:12 Certainly what is the schedule?
10:52:13 And then it will be providing regular updates to this
10:52:17 governing body.
10:52:18 At some point, there will be a need to initiate what
10:52:22 has got -- got to be some form of public-private
10:52:26 process, most likely more on the private side, where
10:52:28 there has to be a group of individuals working on the
10:52:30 referendum.
10:52:31 Money has to be drawn down for that.
10:52:35 As Mark Sharpe told us every time we see him, how many
10:52:38 days there is.
10:52:39 I. Seen it for a couple weeks and I have lost track.
10:52:42 Are we still at the 800 delays or below 800 or not?
10:52:45 It's almost like preparing for the next Olympics.
10:52:48 But the reality is the clock is ticking.
10:52:50 What we do over the next six to 18 months will be
10:52:53 critical.
10:52:53 I belief we can get this AA done in the spring of 2010
10:52:57 and engineering.
10:52:59 The question will be how many other things can be
10:53:00 done.
10:53:00 But hopefully we are going to be able to define this a

10:53:03 little bit so that we can all know what roles we all
10:53:07 have, and with that, I'll turn it back to any other
10:53:11 comments that we might have.
10:53:14 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I just want to say thank you. This
10:53:15 is a great presentation.
10:53:16 I want you to know that locally City Council has
10:53:18 directed our transportation impact fee funds for
10:53:22 downtown and Ybor to be a 50-50 split between road
10:53:26 improvements and transit improvements.
10:53:28 So we are there.
10:53:29 I mean, we get it and when want to be supportive on
10:53:32 the national level, as you move towards saying there
10:53:35 needs to be a national plan.
10:53:37 On a local level, I would like to say that we could
10:53:40 bring this up at our September 4th council meeting
10:53:43 for City Council to write a letter support to the
10:53:45 transit board encouraging everybody to move forth at
10:53:48 the next Hartline meeting.
10:53:50 So, Mr. Chairman, what would be the thing to do?
10:53:55 >> I thought we would take a vote today.
10:53:57 >> Oh, great.
10:53:57 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Affirming our support with the next

10:54:00 step and to move forward, in this whole process.
10:54:04 I think it's very critical.
10:54:08 Is a resolution necessary?
10:54:09 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Would you like it reduced to writing?
10:54:14 If you like, we can have a resolution drafted and put
10:54:16 on the September 4th agenda.
10:54:21 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Supporting the --
10:54:22 Why don't we make a motion today, and then the
10:54:24 resolution can be put on the agenda for the 4th.
10:54:26 Okay?
10:54:27 Okay.
10:54:29 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Thank you, Mr. Miranda.
10:54:31 I move that we develop a resolution supporting a light
10:54:37 rail plan, a transit plan for Tampa, and we send that
10:54:42 to the Hart board, September 8th board meeting,
10:54:48 showing City Council's endorsement of moving ahead.
10:54:53 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Support for the next step that Hart is
10:54:55 already working on.
10:54:56 It's moved and seconded by councilman Miranda and
10:55:00 moved by Councilwoman Saul-Sena.
10:55:02 All in favor signify by saying Aye.
10:55:04 Opposes?

10:55:05 Okay.
10:55:06 >>MARTIN SHELBY: If counsel or anybody would be able
10:55:08 to give me language in support of that, I would
10:55:10 appreciate that.
10:55:10 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Yeah, I want to make a couple
10:55:13 observations.
10:55:14 First I want to thank Mr. Boothe and Mr. Armijo again
10:55:18 for being here, and Ray.
10:55:19 I think it's been very productive.
10:55:22 And we have one more presentation just shortly.
10:55:25 But it goes back to our meeting.
10:55:29 We need to get Mr. Boothe down to make a presentation
10:55:32 to City Council.
10:55:35 I represent the city on the Hillsborough
10:55:38 transportation task force, that made an excellent
10:55:40 presentation.
10:55:42 I thought it's good for all of us to hear that and get
10:55:46 up to speed on what's happening.
10:55:47 One thing to be aware of is going back.
10:55:51 Keep reminding us that we are way ahead of the game in
10:55:54 terms of the preparation and the planning, way out in
10:55:58 front of TBARTA, going back to 2003.

10:56:04 Is 2003 our last attempt to try to get something done?
10:56:07 And as I listened to Mr. Boothe again this morning,
10:56:10 the only two agencies in this area that can receive
10:56:14 federal dollars for funding, that's heart and FDOT.
10:56:19 And a lot of credit goes back again to Ed Crawford and
10:56:25 Sharon Dent, really, for years back, when we first
10:56:28 initiated this whole light rail project and transit
10:56:30 project.
10:56:31 And now to have Mr. Armijo.
10:56:40 Do you want to share with us so council can understand
10:56:42 the national board that you are on?
10:56:44 >>> I'm on several, actually.
10:56:47 One includes the community for minority transportation
10:56:50 officials.
10:56:51 In fact we are actually looking at launching our own
10:56:53 local organization for that, which helps work with the
10:56:57 committee for disadvantaged business enterprises and
10:57:00 opportunities there.
10:57:00 But the national one I believe you are talking about
10:57:02 is the reauthorization, and I sit on that with Jeff,
10:57:06 and that's become a very interesting group.
10:57:09 It's been the most dynamic.

10:57:11 Jeff might talk about that, too.
10:57:12 It become the most dynamic discussion I've seen over
10:57:15 the last 15 years.
10:57:16 People are ready and prepared to be much more bold.
10:57:19 I'm concerned that it not bold enough right now.
10:57:21 I think the community ironically is out in front of
10:57:25 some of the even government folks, staffing, and so I
10:57:32 think it's going to be interesting to see how we go,
10:57:34 whichever new administration we have and the beginning
10:57:37 of the process of looking at this opportunity we have
10:57:39 got.
10:57:39 I was going to mention one comment on your resolution.
10:57:42 The technical process that we are talking about today
10:57:45 is new start.
10:57:46 So the resolution will reflect that.
10:57:51 And I think your movement here will be very helpful to
10:57:53 us.
10:57:54 What I will say, though, which is very interesting,
10:57:57 and I know Ms. Hewlett just left a national meeting on
10:58:01 the west coast.
10:58:02 She was able to go out and look at the BRT in Eugene,
10:58:06 Oregon.

10:58:06 One of the things conveyed to her from other board
10:58:08 members from around the country is actually adding
10:58:13 service.
10:58:14 One of the ironies is in this time of higher ridership
10:58:18 across the board we are actually cutting service with
10:58:20 our budget.
10:58:20 So there's certainly an opportunity here.
10:58:23 I believe that we are in a different time locally in
10:58:25 this community.
10:58:26 We have reached that tipping point.
10:58:27 I think if we can begin moving solidly over the next
10:58:31 18 months I believe we can catch up and I would
10:58:33 certainly like us to be in that forefront of groups
10:58:36 that are going forward.
10:58:38 Our Congresswoman castor is certainly trying to pull
10:58:41 together the resource that is she can to help support
10:58:43 that effort.
10:58:43 I think if we are all working together as Jeff
10:58:46 outlined very well, I think we can get in front.
10:58:51 >>THOMAS SCOTT: I'm very excited about it.
10:58:53 And I think commissioner Hagan, that whole task force
10:58:56 pulled together, up to speed and on board as well,

10:59:01 deserve as lot of credit in this whole initiative.
10:59:03 Also, you mentioned about the private entity.
10:59:06 Is the chamber up to speed on this?
10:59:09 I would think that the chamber would be the one to
10:59:12 embrace from the private side.
10:59:15 >>> I had that conversation with the mayor and I will
10:59:18 share that with other groups.
10:59:20 I am on the Chamber of Commerce.
10:59:21 So it will be my plan to go forward in the next 30
10:59:25 days and also talk to them, see what I can do on
10:59:28 moving that along as well.
10:59:35 But absolutely, yes.
10:59:36 They are just one of many.
10:59:37 The downtown partnerships.
10:59:39 We need to look at all the business communities in
10:59:41 this process.
10:59:42 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Okay.
10:59:44 Ms. McCloud, she's going to come and give us five or
10:59:47 six minutes.
10:59:48 >> Yes, absolutely.
10:59:49 Good morning.
10:59:50 My name is Elaine McCloud, transit manager for the

10:59:54 City of Tampa and I do have a PowerPoint presentation
10:59:56 I would like to share with you this morning.
11:00:00 If you can bring the PowerPoint presentation up.
11:00:09 Great.
11:00:09 Again I am here this morning to share with you all our
11:00:13 August 12th trip to Charlotte, North Carolina and
11:00:16 during our same-day trip, we had the opportunity to
11:00:18 meet with Debra Campbell, director of planning for the
11:00:22 Charlotte Planning Commission, Patrick Mumford, the
11:00:28 former Charlotte City Council member and
11:00:29 vice-president environmental affairs for Wachovia
11:00:32 bank, and Keith Parker, who is the CEO for the
11:00:35 Charlotte area transit system.
11:00:37 The purpose of our trip was to obtain better insight
11:00:41 as to the successes and challenges in terms of
11:00:45 designing, building, operating, maintaining, and
11:00:48 financing a new start light rail transit system.
11:00:52 Joining me on the trip were Chairman Scott and Ray
11:00:56 Chiaramonte who is the interim Executive Director for
11:00:58 the Hillsborough County MPO.
11:01:01 Our first meeting began with Debra Campbell, who
11:01:04 discussed the 2030 integrated transit and land use

11:01:07 plan, to address growth, Charlotte City Council has
11:01:11 adopted a smart growth strategy which is based on the
11:01:15 integrated transit and land use plan.
11:01:18 This plan focused all future development and
11:01:20 redevelopment in the region in these five major
11:01:24 corridors that are shown on the slide.
11:01:26 In the five corridors are the south corridor, the
11:01:29 northeast corridor, north, southeast, and west.
11:01:33 The link blue line which is the starter line operates
11:01:37 in the south corridor.
11:01:39 And I don't know if I have a pointer here, but it's
11:01:42 the south corridor.
11:01:44 These five corridors as you can see all lead into the
11:01:48 downtown Charlotte area, which is referred to as the
11:01:51 center city, and will become key centers of economic
11:01:55 activity as well as provide a framework for a viable
11:01:59 rail system.
11:02:00 Prior to the development of the link light rail
11:02:03 transit line, the south corridor consisted of
11:02:06 basically manufacturing plants and old abandoned
11:02:09 buildings which are now being replaced with transit
11:02:11 oriented development, or TOD's such as mixed use

11:02:16 neighborhoods consisting of retail, restaurant,
11:02:19 residential, office space.
11:02:21 Once the total system is completed, in addition to
11:02:24 light rail, it will include commuter rail, bus rapid
11:02:27 transit, streetcar stations and connector routes that
11:02:31 are integrated with pedestrian-friendly developments.
11:02:36 Transit oriented development, or TOD, is basically
11:02:40 real estate development that occurs near transit.
11:02:43 Charlotte Mecklenburg county has projected development
11:02:48 out to the year 2011 estimating as much as 1.8 billion
11:02:53 dollars in investment exclusively along the Lynx blue
11:02:57 line which is the starter line.
11:02:58 Here are some examples of TOD within the city of
11:03:03 Charlotte.
11:03:07 This is the NASCAR Hall of Fame, the Time-Warner cable
11:03:12 arena is a regional activity center that results in
11:03:16 significant ridership on the links light rail blue
11:03:20 line.
11:03:22 This is the court side which features urban living in
11:03:26 Charlotte downtown core, and includes several
11:03:29 residential units that have been planned, or in the
11:03:32 construction stage.

11:03:36 The summit grand view is a residential office and
11:03:39 retail development.
11:03:42 The epicenter is a mixed use development that is
11:03:46 underway in Charlotte's downtown core at the site of
11:03:50 the former convention center.
11:03:54 Our second meeting began with Patrick Mumford, who was
11:03:57 the former council member for Charlotte City Council.
11:04:02 And he also led the effort to defeat a repeal of the
11:04:06 half cent sales tax.
11:04:09 The repeal effort failed by 70%.
11:04:13 Key highlights of our discussions with Mr. Mumford
11:04:16 focused on the need to obtain a dedicated funding
11:04:19 source.
11:04:20 Two-thirds of Charlotte sales taxes earmarked for
11:04:22 operation and a third for capital.
11:04:24 In 2007, projected revenue from the sales tax was 62.7
11:04:32 million.
11:04:32 However, actual revenue came in much higher at
11:04:35 $70.4 million.
11:04:39 The Charlotte Chamber of Commerce, you might have
11:04:42 heard a question earlier, played a very important
11:04:46 inclusion role in promoting the referendum which was

11:04:50 paired with a $100 million road bond.
11:04:52 Some of the interesting takeaways shared by Mr.
11:04:55 Mumford including all politics is local.
11:04:58 For example, he talked about how people in north
11:05:01 Charlotte had different views and ideals from the
11:05:05 people in south Charlotte.
11:05:07 Therefore, he advised against using a "one size fits
11:05:14 all" strategy.
11:05:15 Other takeaways focus on the importance of outreach
11:05:18 and education.
11:05:19 Once the plan is approved, he strongly encouraged us
11:05:23 to proactively implement the plan or risk losing
11:05:27 credibility.
11:05:30 Our afternoon meeting began with the presentation by
11:05:33 Keith Parker, CEO for Charlotte area transit system.
11:05:37 We were given a quick demographical overview of
11:05:40 Charlotte, whose population has grown to $630,500
11:05:49 people from 315,000 people in just 15 years and the
11:05:52 population is expected to increase by an additional
11:05:54 330,000 people by 2030.
11:05:59 The LYNX light rail blue line is the Charlotte region
11:06:03 first light rail transit service and opened last

11:06:08 November to much fanfare.
11:06:09 Starter line features 9.6 miles of dual track, 16
11:06:13 light rail vehicles, 15 stations, 7 park 'n ride lots,
11:06:19 3,500 parking spaces and a $500 million investment
11:06:24 from the private sector.
11:06:26 Ridership on the LYNX starter line is 23,000
11:06:31 passengers daily which almost triples the initial
11:06:34 projection of 9100 passengers daily. The cost of the
11:06:37 LYNX starter line was $463 million, although it was
11:06:42 budgeted for $427 million.
11:06:46 And you heard Mr. Boothe talk about the importance of
11:06:48 properly pricing your project using inflationary
11:06:51 dollars.
11:06:52 This cost overrun was due in part to increases in the
11:06:56 price of concrete, steel, and other building materials
11:07:00 which again underscores the need to properly price the
11:07:03 project using inflationary dollars.
11:07:05 The LYNX blue line operates on a 7.5 minute frequency
11:07:12 during morning and evening rush hours and every 15
11:07:15 minutes during off-peak hours.
11:07:17 Light rail line is used exclusively for rail
11:07:19 passengers and does not share track with freight.

11:07:25 The Charlotte system began acquiring and purchasing
11:07:27 rail right-of-way in the early 1990s in which 60% of
11:07:32 the track was abandoned, and 40% had access freight
11:07:39 operation.
11:07:40 The LYNX blue line extension is currently under way,
11:07:44 and is in the preliminary engineering stage, again
11:07:48 what you heard Mr. Boothe refer to.
11:07:50 It will feature 11 miles of dual track, 14 stations, 7
11:07:55 park 'n ride lots at a cost of $741 million.
11:08:00 The projected completion date for the extension is
11:08:04 2013.
11:08:06 As stated, the LYNX blue line extension is now in
11:08:10 phase 2 of the system plan, and will operate in the
11:08:14 northeast corridor.
11:08:16 And again, I don't have a pointer.
11:08:18 However, it should be noted that the LYNX light rail
11:08:22 starter line requires an agreement with only one
11:08:26 railroad, which was Norfolk southern.
11:08:29 Blue line extension, it has been pointed to note, will
11:08:32 require agreements with four different railroads,
11:08:35 which is Norfolk southern, North Carolina railroad,
11:08:38 Aberdeen, Carolina, western railroad, and CSX.

11:08:45 The LYNX purple line will feature commuter rail and
11:08:48 will operate in the north corridor.
11:08:52 This is the purple line.
11:08:54 It's scheduled to begin operations in 2012.
11:08:57 And in the interest of time, I will just go through
11:09:01 the additional lines that are involved in the overall
11:09:06 system plan.
11:09:07 But what I am going to do is just share with you some
11:09:10 of the takeaways, some of the parting points.
11:09:13 And they were engage the private sector early, hire a
11:09:18 professional ad agency to run the transit marketing
11:09:20 campaign, promote a comprehensive big picture rail
11:09:24 vision, and praise the project properly using
11:09:27 inflationary dollars.
11:09:28 Mr. Chairman, is there anything else you would like to
11:09:31 add?
11:09:31 >>THOMAS SCOTT: I think you all had a great, great
11:09:38 trip there to Charlotte, and the mayor contained of
11:09:42 arranged this trip and called me and asked me to go
11:09:44 with you, and Ray, to take a look at the Charlotte
11:09:47 line because it was similar to what our city and what
11:09:50 we were trying to do.

11:09:51 And I'll tell you, it was very enlightening, very
11:09:54 enriching, and was a great, great trip to be there and
11:09:57 see everything that they have been able to accomplish.
11:09:59 And very educational.
11:10:07 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: This is a great presentation.
11:10:09 But I just wrote a note to the chairman saying I feel
11:10:11 like I'm a fiancee being forced to look at the baby
11:10:15 pictures.
11:10:15 Tampa was supposed to get that money, and we didn't
11:10:18 get it, not because we didn't have good planning but
11:10:21 because we didn't have the political will at the time.
11:10:23 I believe we have got the political will now and we
11:10:25 are ready to move ahead.
11:10:26 And I am just so ready to get there.
11:10:28 >> Absolutely.
11:10:30 And thank you very much for being a champion and
11:10:33 cheerleader for mass transit.
11:10:35 We appreciate it.
11:10:35 >>THOMAS SCOTT: One on the thing that came out, we
11:10:37 raised the issue at our meeting.
11:10:39 One of the persons said they got Tampa's money,
11:10:43 Hillsborough County money.

11:10:44 >> Absolutely.
11:10:46 Someone mentioned that Tampa has become a donor city
11:10:49 because so many of our dollars are going to other
11:10:52 projects.
11:10:52 So again, thank you for your time.
11:10:54 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you, Ms. McCloud for an
11:10:58 excellent job.
11:10:59 Thank you very much.
11:11:00 Excellent trip.
11:11:01 Mr. Huey.
11:11:03 I want to recognize you again.
11:11:06 And all those that are here this morning.
11:11:08 We are going to take a five-minute break and come
11:11:10 right back in five minutes.
11:11:12 One last workshop.
11:11:15
11:20:15 >>THOMAS SCOTT: I call the Tampa City Council meeting
11:20:17 back to order.
11:20:17 Roll call.
11:20:18 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Here.
11:20:20 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: Hear.
11:20:22 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Here.

11:20:26 >> Public comment.
11:20:27 Anyone want to address council on our last workshop?
11:20:30 >>MARGARET VIZZI: 213 south Sherill.
11:20:32 I really didn't ask for this.
11:20:34 I was leaving and Marty called me and said, were you
11:20:36 going to comment?
11:20:37 I said, well, yes, I was, but I knew you all were
11:20:40 busy.
11:20:40 I just wanted to say it was a very informative
11:20:42 workshop.
11:20:46 A few minutes ago on the MPO advisory committee, Bob
11:20:49 Martinez appointed me and I have continued to be oh on
11:20:52 that committee through several council persons
11:20:56 appointments, mainly Linda in the last few years.
11:20:59 So I have been watching this for a long time.
11:21:02 I served on the committee, famous committee of '99.
11:21:08 We worked through this.
11:21:09 Much money was spent.
11:21:10 Of course, Charlotte got what we were working towards
11:21:13 then.
11:21:14 And I just hope that the public all around the county
11:21:19 understands the importance of this, because it's going

11:21:22 to be all of the citizens in this county voting, if we
11:21:26 can get the county commission to put it on the ballot
11:21:31 to vote for it.
11:21:32 So I'll be talking and working and continuing to
11:21:35 support transit.
11:21:37 I know how important it is.
11:21:39 Growing up, walking, crossing on a ferry, riding two
11:21:45 buses and a streetcar, to get to school in 45 minutes,
11:21:50 I know it can work.
11:21:51 And I use many kinds of transportation as you can see.
11:21:56 I did ultimately wind up with a car, but that's the
11:21:59 way it goes.
11:22:00 But if we can get the majority of our citizens to
11:22:03 realize the importance and to get this moving, it's
11:22:07 what's going to be so important.
11:22:08 Thank you for letting me have my say.
11:22:10 And I'll see you all soon.
11:22:13 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you, Ms. Vizzi.
11:22:15 Anyone else?
11:22:17 Okay.
11:22:18 We'll continue now with the Seminole Heights vision
11:22:21 plan.

11:22:31 >>CATHERINE COYLE: Land development.
11:22:34 This is the first tame we have been before you with a
11:22:36 status report on this particular project.
11:22:37 This is the demonstration or pilot program project for
11:22:41 the community planning program.
11:22:43 This first phase that we are doing is a visioning
11:22:45 plan.
11:22:47 Seminole Heights is the area that was chosen.
11:22:49 Way hope to go through today through the presentation
11:22:50 is the background on that process, the visioning
11:22:53 process.
11:22:54 And the analysis that's been done on Seminole Heights.
11:22:57 And where our next steps are going to be.
11:22:59 First before I get into it, I would like to
11:23:01 acknowledge all the participants.
11:23:04 First and far most, we have been in this process for
11:23:06 about eight months.
11:23:07 We kicked it off in January and we attended the first
11:23:09 neighborhood association meeting.
11:23:11 And there are many stakeholders.
11:23:12 There are three neighborhood association groups.
11:23:14 There have been many commercial and residential

11:23:17 property owners and business owners that have attended
11:23:19 the meetings and have given us comments and feedback.
11:23:21 Many industry professionals that have come and helped
11:23:24 us with graphics, and design issues.
11:23:27 And Mary Mulhern, Councilwoman Mary Mulhern, attended
11:23:31 many of the meetings as well and gave her two cents.
11:23:33 We were also very fortunate to put together a
11:23:35 well-rounded team with input from FDOT, TECO, school
11:23:39 board, Hartline and the Planning Commission with the
11:23:41 outside agencies.
11:23:43 We also have very good turnout from internal agencies,
11:23:46 transportation, waste, wastewater, wastewater was at
11:23:49 every single meeting.
11:23:50 Transportation was at every single meeting.
11:23:52 Stormwater gave a presentation, and attended many
11:23:58 meetings as well.
11:23:59 I would like to acknowledge the LDC staff. Without
11:24:05 them much of what you see wouldn't be produced.
11:24:08 Jimmy Cook, Laura Lee, Amanda, Abbye Feeley, Larry
11:24:10 Sydarski, LaChone Dock, Eric Cotton, and Gloria
11:24:12 Moreda, they all played their part in attending these
11:24:15 meetings and helping us with the work.

11:24:18 If I could have the PowerPoint presentation.
11:24:30 What I am going to starts with is the overview of the
11:24:32 manning process, like I said, the analysis of the key
11:24:34 planning area, the charrette working sessions that
11:24:39 took place, the alternatives that were devised, and
11:24:41 what we wound up with at the final concept, conceptual
11:24:45 design graphics.
11:24:49 These are some photos that we found around the country
11:24:51 actually, different designs. First thing is the
11:24:55 planning area it.
11:24:56 How do we define that?
11:25:00 Seminole Heights.
11:25:01 First and foremost, Seminole Heights is essentially
11:25:04 located, has defined Street grids, historical
11:25:07 development pattern as well as one local and two
11:25:10 national historic districts.
11:25:12 There is a very organized and engaged citizenry.
11:25:16 Like I said, very well established neighborhood
11:25:18 associations.
11:25:19 Many of them the participants are behind me.
11:25:23 There was also a previous business guild plan that was
11:25:30 put into place that was developed in conjunction with

11:25:33 the Planning Commission.
11:25:35 The vision flan itself is an inventory of a natural
11:25:38 and built environment, analysis of existing land uses,
11:25:41 the general demographics, documentation of the
11:25:44 characteristics of the area, and the conceptual land
11:25:47 uses.
11:25:49 Identified by the property owners of that area.
11:25:52 What we do next is documenting the vision.
11:25:55 We have developed conceptual street designs,
11:25:57 conceptual building designs, challenges and
11:25:59 opportunities, and then develop the next step, the
11:26:02 short and long-term priorities.
11:26:04 We have done this as you see in a building an urban
11:26:07 village.
11:26:07 Seminole Heights is identified as an urban village in
11:26:09 the Tampa comprehensive plan including the update that
11:26:12 it's going through currently.
11:26:13 And urban village is a microcosm of the largest city.
11:26:16 It should have all of the pieces of the larger city
11:26:18 within itself, to serve citizens to become
11:26:22 self-sustaining.
11:26:23 It often has a center, defined street grid and

11:26:27 encourages community activities.
11:26:31 Some of the main goals of building this urban village
11:26:35 and maintenance of that type of village is creating a
11:26:37 place where people can live and work, that is
11:26:39 self-sustainable, is environmentally friendly and then
11:26:42 encourages community activities and awareness.
11:26:44 Key focus is the sustainability.
11:26:47 People can live, work, shop and entertain in that
11:26:49 single urban area.
11:26:50 They don't necessarily have to go out.
11:26:53 The form based code strategy which is the second phase
11:26:55 of the project which will take off in January is
11:26:58 regulating the physical form of the built environment.
11:27:01 What happens is you place the emphasis on
11:27:04 relationships, building the building, building
11:27:07 streets, building to pedestrians, cyclists and cars,
11:27:12 and to that pedestrian, bicycle and car.
11:27:16 We build to a area certain area.
11:27:19 Regulating the mass and scale of structures, not
11:27:22 necessarily the architectural style.
11:27:23 It is up to the public, because it is a
11:27:25 community-driven plan.

11:27:26 It's up to them whether or not they want to actually
11:27:28 regulate architectural style.
11:27:30 The key focus is regulating the mass and scale of the
11:27:33 structures.
11:27:33 Layout of the blocks and the street and streetscape
11:27:36 design.
11:27:36 The first piece of the form based code is develop a
11:27:44 regulating plan and there are many different ways to
11:27:47 regulate the type of code.
11:27:49 You can have a building type regulation, a frontage
11:27:53 type regulation, or a regulation that's based on the
11:27:57 street type itself.
11:27:59 We are actually going to have a hybrid of all three
11:28:01 based on certain areas.
11:28:02 There are six sectors very distinct within the
11:28:05 planning area.
11:28:06 These are some examples from Sarasota's code.
11:28:08 What happens in this type of code has become very
11:28:10 graphical.
11:28:10 It comes very short as far as text.
11:28:13 We develop tables and very short little points that
11:28:15 get to the point of what the regulation actually is.

11:28:18 You don't necessarily need six paragraphs to explain
11:28:21 what setback is.
11:28:22 What happens is we develop these graphics and show
11:28:24 examples and show the person exactly how the block or
11:28:27 how the parcel should lay out because they are very
11:28:32 user friendly.
11:28:33 Easy to administer as well.
11:28:35 Also what happens in the code is not necessarily just
11:28:37 a regulation for private property but it sets out the
11:28:39 vision and the regulations for the public realm which
11:28:42 is the street and streetscape design.
11:28:45 And we develop those, also.
11:28:48 And as I mentioned the code administration itself
11:28:50 becomes a lot clearer, because we actually have a
11:28:53 guide in the code itself, visually to help us along
11:28:56 when we are interpreting for permitting or for any
11:29:00 kind of special exception to the plan.
11:29:02 It's also very well defined so that we can actually
11:29:05 have our administrative decisions be more accurate
11:29:10 from a prescribed vision, and it's a combination of
11:29:13 graphics and text.
11:29:16 To get into the planning area it, the map is the

11:29:18 center.
11:29:20 That is the planning area boundary and then some
11:29:23 photos from the area.
11:29:25 Up on the top left is the typical motel across Florida
11:29:28 Avenue.
11:29:29 Bottom left is a newer home that was built in the
11:29:32 historic district.
11:29:33 The top right is Hillsborough hey, the original high
11:29:36 school.
11:29:36 And unfortunately, the picture was taken before it was
11:29:40 burned down but that is Tampa Bay hardware.
11:29:43 It was a loss, definitely.
11:29:46 To give you some background on the area, in
11:29:49 relationship to the county and the city, a little over
11:29:51 1,000 square miles in the city.
11:29:53 A little over -- about -- in the county, 178 in the
11:29:59 city.
11:29:59 The planning area is almost 105 square miles, 2.66% of
11:30:03 the city land area.
11:30:10 The population of the planning area is 22,000
11:30:12 approximately household, almost 10,000.
11:30:14 And then the earning estimate, you can see about 54%

11:30:19 earn between 0 and $40,000 year so income levels are
11:30:23 fairly low in this area.
11:30:25 Based on the property appraiser's assessment from 2007
11:30:30 you can see the median dollar per square foot in
11:30:33 Seminole Heights is $150 a square foot residential
11:30:36 land, 169 in the city.
11:30:37 So we are below the city.
11:30:39 But we are above the county at 137.
11:30:44 For commercial land, it's $133 a square foot.
11:30:48 It's 166 in the city and 156 in the county so we are
11:30:52 below the city and the county for commercial land.
11:30:54 This is an overview of the schools.
11:30:59 There's four public elementary schools, two middle and
11:31:02 one high school.
11:31:06 So they actually have very good schools in the area.
11:31:09 We kicked off the initial meeting February 6th.
11:31:12 It was somewhere between 65 and 80 participants that
11:31:15 night.
11:31:15 It was a very good crowd.
11:31:17 We went through an induction of what I just showed
11:31:19 you, the planning program itself, and then asked them
11:31:22 to identify assets, challenges, opportunities, and

11:31:26 opportunities for the area.
11:31:27 And that is where the document that you can give you a
11:31:32 copy of today, it's greater Seminole Heights vision
11:31:34 plan concept.
11:31:35 If you could refer to that.
11:31:39 There are four vision statements at the top.
11:31:41 And then there are guiding principles.
11:31:44 Guiding principles range from urban form mixed use
11:31:48 development, community redevelopment, to community
11:31:51 circulation, which is a real focus on creating
11:31:56 multimodal transportation systems, improvement of bus
11:31:58 service, implementation of traffic calming, and
11:32:01 restoration of brick streets, including the
11:32:03 establishment of a trolley service as well.
11:32:05 So this kind of bleeds into the presentation actually,
11:32:09 connectivity, integration of the public realm,
11:32:12 environment, historic preservation, and the one that I
11:32:15 hope to develop in October, the last guiding
11:32:20 principle, safety and security, because there
11:32:21 everybody some comments relating to some of the
11:32:23 criminal activity that happens to be in the area,
11:32:26 working on a program for that.

11:32:29 February 11 and 13 we took volunteers from that
11:32:33 kickoff meeting and we actually made up teams of four
11:32:36 persons each, and we went out and we actually
11:32:38 physically walked the streets.
11:32:40 Various intersections.
11:32:42 We measured curb length, lane widths, everything, took
11:32:46 pictures of all the intersections and a lot of
11:32:48 segments to the area.
11:32:51 Really got good insight as to how the area was laid
11:32:53 out.
11:32:54 February 18th we came back, we got information and
11:32:56 we laid out the map in those six sectors and we had
11:33:00 teams develop between eight and ten people at each
11:33:02 group, and they actually went through current land use
11:33:05 layout, and zoning layouts, and then they laid -- the
11:33:11 initial stab at having the initial area growing.
11:33:14 Whether or not the corridor should get wider, or a
11:33:16 little more commercial land use should be at certain
11:33:19 intersections to support the residential in the area,
11:33:22 should they have a mixture of residential, should they
11:33:24 have more parks, where should the connectivity be for
11:33:26 bike lanes and pedestrian paths.

11:33:29 What we did is we came back on March 4th with
11:33:33 their handwritten information.
11:33:34 We documented that on the maps.
11:33:36 And they actually went through and they took their
11:33:39 Leggos and tried to develop a scale model 3
11:33:45 dimensional.
11:33:47 March 19th we came back and each one of these
11:33:50 sessions built on previously.
11:33:51 March 19th we focused on the infrastructure and
11:33:54 the public realm so we dealt with the private
11:33:57 properties.
11:33:57 Then we worked on the public realm.
11:33:59 That's where we had the presentation from stormwater,
11:34:01 TECO and D.O.T.
11:34:03 We worked on conceptual street design, streetscape,
11:34:07 and public realm improvements.
11:34:08 Negligence session we came back and looked at currents
11:34:11 lot development patterns, to see if there was a
11:34:13 difference between a 40-foot lot, 50-foot lot, what
11:34:16 the actual pattern of development was out there, to
11:34:18 document that.
11:34:19 And then we gave a presentation on the general

11:34:21 architectural styles found in the area and had an open
11:34:24 discussion on whether or not they wanted to regulate
11:34:26 architecture.
11:34:27 No conclusive finding at that point.
11:34:29 Just the open discussion.
11:34:32 April 21st through 24th was our open house,
11:34:36 four nights in a row, 4:50 to 8 o'clock positive,
11:34:39 mailed out a little over 9600 postcards to everyone in
11:34:42 the area and said come on down and give us your input.
11:34:45 We had the first alternative being the bottom map
11:34:48 hear.
11:34:50 Leave it the way that it is.
11:34:51 That's always the first alternative.
11:34:53 Each alternative after that basically had a different
11:34:56 configuration of commercial, different percentages of
11:34:59 land uses for commercial, mixed use, residential.
11:35:03 The fourth alternative was the one that was chosen by
11:35:06 the votes that were cast.
11:35:07 It was the most intense development, the corridors, as
11:35:12 far as the land use for mixed use certainly got
11:35:14 larger, at the larger intersections.
11:35:17 There was integration of more attached housing, town

11:35:23 hall style, some pockets of stack housing, more like
11:35:24 apartment or loft.
11:35:26 And then introduction of office, live, work.
11:35:31 Scenarios along Central Avenue in particular.
11:35:34 What you see on the next couple of slides are some of
11:35:37 the comments that we got.
11:35:39 Even though people voted for alternative 4, they did
11:35:42 give us open comments about things they would like to
11:35:44 see changed.
11:35:45 So we took those changes and then developed our final
11:35:48 version 1.
11:35:51 What the final vision did once we took those comments,
11:35:55 it took back the land use designation for
11:35:58 single-family.
11:36:00 The alternative 4 had single-family reduced to 60% of
11:36:03 the land value of the area.
11:36:04 There's 94 million square feet of land.
11:36:07 That doesn't include the road.
11:36:08 We took that back in the final vision from 60% to 63%
11:36:12 single-family.
11:36:17 Since then we have had additional comments, and we
11:36:19 Retooled the map based on some of the analyses that we

11:36:21 have done, and what you see here is a comparison of
11:36:24 the two.
11:36:25 And as I mentioned to a couple of people in the
11:36:27 audience, the maps that we went through, all the
11:36:31 workshops with, the map on the right had a lot of
11:36:34 purple in it.
11:36:35 It was a different color pallet.
11:36:38 What we try to do is match the colors up a little more
11:36:41 so you can see the difference between the two.
11:36:44 So what you see hear before you below is the current
11:36:47 situation.
11:36:48 You can see the very narrow corridors.
11:36:50 The red is heavy commercial, 24.
11:36:53 The lighter pink color is community mixed use 35.
11:36:57 And then you see the orange is single-family detached
11:37:00 residential.
11:37:02 Variety majority of the area is single-family
11:37:04 detached.
11:37:05 80% of the land is single-family.
11:37:10 What came out of the comments is this scenario.
11:37:14 You can still see a predominance of the ordinance but
11:37:17 all that actually changed if you notice on the slide

11:37:20 is the 7% shift between -- go back to that PowerPoint,
11:37:27 please.
11:37:28 You can see there's only a 7% shift between the
11:37:31 existing condition and residential use.
11:37:33 80% down to 73.
11:37:35 And that 7% shifted straight into nonresidential use.
11:37:39 The public use park and open space which includes the
11:37:41 school and the park system and the park along the
11:37:44 river stayed at 9%.
11:37:50 Once those were developed after the open house, we
11:37:54 then went back out into the field.
11:37:56 We took a group of people on a band tour and a walking
11:37:59 tour.
11:38:00 Mary Mulhern actually attended that as well.
11:38:02 And by foot we walked some of these areas that had
11:38:06 some of these more intense pockets shown.
11:38:08 We walked the Sligh and Nebraska area at the top.
11:38:11 We walked Hillsborough around Giddens park.
11:38:14 We actually walked six different areas.
11:38:16 And that was to remind them of what they initially
11:38:19 showed, and then show them what they did on this
11:38:22 particular map, to make sure that we reconciled the

11:38:25 two.
11:38:27 We can start to see what they had envisioned.
11:38:29 We then held a meeting May 14th at the TECO -- I'm
11:38:34 sorry, the Tampa Tribune community center, community
11:38:36 room.
11:38:37 We invited local architects, designers, planners,
11:38:39 engineers to come up with three concepts.
11:38:41 We took three of those areas, one on Florida, one in
11:38:44 the village center, that was developed, and one at
11:38:49 Hillsborough and Nebraska.
11:38:50 And we had an architect or two at each table, and they
11:38:54 helped develop graphics.
11:38:55 The one on the bottom left Wilson Stair actually did.
11:38:58 This is the grand walkway that was envisioned by that
11:39:00 group in the village center.
11:39:02 Top right was done by actually an architect in the
11:39:04 audience.
11:39:06 He did very well.
11:39:08 That is on Florida Avenue.
11:39:09 And then the bottom right is Hillsborough and Nebraska
11:39:12 Luke I said.
11:39:13 And actually Trent green was in that group from USF

11:39:16 and he helped develop the scale model out.
11:39:21 Finally, as I mentioned, we developed streetscape
11:39:24 designs in the third session.
11:39:27 And these are the final drafts of those.
11:39:31 And you can start to see, this is just one
11:39:33 alternative.
11:39:33 But what we wanted to show you was the 50-foot
11:39:37 right-of-way, 65 and 80-foot right-of-way and 100-foot
11:39:40 right-of-way where we could potentially integrate bike
11:39:43 lanes and parking, and show how the public realm
11:39:47 integrates into the private realm with the
11:39:49 streetscapes and larger sidewalk.
11:39:51 You see the 50-foot right-of-way has a 6-foot walk,
11:39:53 has parking and a bike lane, travel lane in the
11:39:55 center, typical residential street.
11:39:59 65-foot with a 12-foot sidewalk, 8-foot parking and
11:40:02 the bike lane.
11:40:03 65-foot right-of-way for those in the audience, and if
11:40:07 you know Seminole Heights at all, there are portions
11:40:09 of Osborne and Hanna Avenue that are 65 feet just as
11:40:13 reference.
11:40:13 But those are your main east-west collectors through

11:40:16 the area.
11:40:18 The 80-foot right-of-way, to give you context,
11:40:23 Nebraska Avenue is the 80-foot right-of-way. That
11:40:26 shows a 15-foot sidewalk, the bike lane, travel lanes,
11:40:29 and the landscape median in the center.
11:40:32 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: This could be Nebraska?
11:40:34 >> It could be.
11:40:35 By width only.
11:40:38 And then finally Hillsborough Avenue.
11:40:41 Is the 100-foot right-of-way.
11:40:43 And you can see a 15-foot sidewalk.
11:40:45 You can see parking which is kind of more than likely
11:40:48 won't happen on Hillsborough because it's a major
11:40:50 arterial.
11:40:51 But this is what could you potentially do with
11:40:53 100-foot right-of-way with the parking, the bike lanes
11:40:57 and still get four travel lanes with a landscaped
11:40:59 median.
11:41:02 And our design staff, Lori Marone in particular who is
11:41:06 not here today, unfortunately, but she's worked very
11:41:09 hard on these graphics.
11:41:10 And what you can see, what was the focus of the

11:41:13 village center, this is an overview of the village
11:41:16 center and a streetscape view.
11:41:18 >> When you say village center is that a gee oh
11:41:21 graphic place or just conceptual?
11:41:24 >>CATHERINE COYLE: One of the work groups actually
11:41:26 came up with the village center concept.
11:41:29 Hillsborough area is here.
11:41:32 It is approximately ten acres.
11:41:35 It's basically the same land area as Old Hyde Park
11:41:38 Village.
11:41:40 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: It's north of Hillsborough.
11:41:41 >>> This is Hanna Avenue right here.
11:41:44 And this is Hillsborough.
11:41:45 And this is 275 and this is Nebraska.
11:41:49 This is the-
11:41:53 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: What's in that village center spot
11:41:55 right now?
11:41:56 >>CATHERINE COYLE: There are a few homes.
11:41:58 There is a very large like 3.5-acre tract of land here
11:42:02 with these little cottage-type hotel things on them.
11:42:06 There are a couple of hotels.
11:42:09 There are some homes in the Southern Area.

11:42:11 What was interesting about this is the village center
11:42:14 was on three of the alternatives and we actually
11:42:17 got -- the votes we got were from a lot of people on
11:42:21 Miami place, and Osceola and in that area, and they
11:42:25 actually chose alternative 4.
11:42:28 Contained of interesting.
11:42:31 We were fortunate on the May 14th -- I'm sorry,
11:42:34 the May 9th walking tour when we kind of were
11:42:37 reconciling everything, the realtor of the guy who
11:42:40 owns the 3.5-acre parcel was actually walking with us,
11:42:43 and his client lives in New York and is actually
11:42:45 interested in doing something with the property, and
11:42:47 realize he's in the center of the village center.
11:42:50 So there might be some opportunity there.
11:42:53 But just to go through the traffics again, what we are
11:42:57 showing are some street perspectives of how the
11:42:59 buildings integrate with the street.
11:43:01 And you can see the seamless transition between the
11:43:04 public right-of-way and the private property.
11:43:06 It was all integrated into one.
11:43:08 And that the goal here, when we regulate the actual
11:43:11 form of the development, is to diminish that line,

11:43:15 that hard line of right-of-way to private property.
11:43:21 Some more graphics, introduction of the townhouses.
11:43:26 I picked this graphic because I have a little boy in
11:43:29 it and it's so cute.
11:43:31 [ Laughter ]
11:43:32 The next step.
11:43:35 Obviously we are here today for our initial workshop.
11:43:37 In October, we are trying to schedule a meeting rate
11:43:39 now to get back out with the stakeholders, the many
11:43:42 comments we heard today to go over the final version
11:43:45 of the map itself.
11:43:46 And to basically hand out and disburse the draft
11:43:50 vision document, get all the feedback that we can on
11:43:53 that, and then come back to knew December for approval
11:43:55 of that.
11:43:57 It not adoption.
11:43:58 We are asking for approval and transmittal to the
11:44:00 Planning Commission.
11:44:00 We are hoping to transmit to the Planning Commission
11:44:02 for the March cycle through any land use amendment
11:44:05 that is we need, text changes or land use changes.
11:44:07 And then in January like I said we are going to kick

11:44:10 off the code writing process to actually develop,
11:44:13 rewrite the entire code, unified Land Development Code
11:44:16 for Seminole Heights, and that starts in January, and
11:44:19 we hope to have it ready for the July 2009 cycle for
11:44:23 submittal.
11:44:24 We will be inviting all these folks again to come back
11:44:26 out and spend many a night with us.
11:44:29 And if I could, we have been working on animation as
11:44:32 well.
11:44:33 And this is where Larry Zarsky and Lauralee have
11:44:39 worked very hard. This is the actual animation if you
11:44:41 can show it.
11:44:42 You will see a transition from a lower scale
11:44:52 development.
11:44:54 >>
11:44:58 >>: What street might that be on?
11:44:59 >>> This is actually Florida and Kirby, two 50-foot
11:45:04 rights-of-way.
11:45:04 And you see the intensity as with the potential of
11:45:08 adding additional storage, and how the environment
11:45:10 changes.
11:45:11 The buildouts come out.

11:45:12 And then ultimately, just fitting for today.
11:45:26 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Wow.
11:45:27 >>> And then the train.
11:45:30 We are doing all of this in-house.
11:45:34 We have not spent a dime on a consultant.
11:45:36 It's been tiring, but it's actually been very
11:45:39 educational for us internally and it's been a lot of
11:45:41 fun.
11:45:43 That's it.
11:45:43 I'm available for any questions.
11:45:45 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Yes, sir, yes.
11:45:47 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: This is the best planning effort I
11:45:48 have ever seen the city do. This is fantastic.
11:45:51 Congratulations to you and all your staff.
11:45:53 It seems like it's taken a long time but you have
11:45:55 really been thorough and complete and engaged the
11:45:58 community.
11:45:58 This is a model.
11:46:01 Congratulations.
11:46:01 Do you need any action from us?
11:46:03 >>> Not today actually.
11:46:04 We are going to go back to the public at this point.

11:46:06 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Great work.
11:46:08 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much for that very
11:46:15 informative report.
11:46:16 When I saw that rail go by, those that live in the
11:46:20 neighborhood, I'm sure that those have been there for
11:46:22 some time remember that there was rail at one time
11:46:25 that went all the way I think to Linebaugh or
11:46:28 something like that.
11:46:29 So it was a process of modernizing the city, so they
11:46:33 took the rail out.
11:46:34 And so we are putting the rail back.
11:46:39 So it's very interesting to see these things happen
11:46:42 again.
11:46:42 I'm very happy to see it.
11:46:46 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you, Ms. Coyle.
11:46:48 Very good presentation.
11:46:50 Okay.
11:46:50 Before we take public comment, let me just say that
11:46:53 Ellen Gedalius is leaving the Tribune.
11:47:03 She got married three months ago and still on her
11:47:05 honeymoon.
11:47:08 Yes, still on her honeymoon.

11:47:09 >> But she's here today.
11:47:11 >>THOMAS SCOTT: She's leaving, going to work for
11:47:14 Congresswoman Cathy Castor, I believe as the press
11:47:18 secretary, is that right? So we just wanted to wish
11:47:20 her well in her new job.
11:47:22 And we are going to miss her from being around here.
11:47:24 Okay.
11:47:27 Do you want to say anything?
11:47:29 Do you want to say anything?
11:47:34 Public comment.
11:47:48 Anyone wishing to address City Council may come
11:47:50 forward at this time.
11:47:55 >>> I hope other people come up and speak about this
11:48:02 project.
11:48:03 This is a wonderful thing for Seminole Heights.
11:48:05 My name is Randy baron, Comanche Avenue.
11:48:09 I have been involved in this from the very beginning,
11:48:11 went through all the charrettes.
11:48:12 I cannot say enough about all the staff that everybody
11:48:16 involved, Gloria, Cathy, and Rashon, Abbye, I'm sure
11:48:22 I'm forgetting somebody, Eric.
11:48:23 Planning Commission was there.

11:48:25 Transportation team was there at all those meetings.
11:48:27 Everyone FDOT showed up.
11:48:29 And when we were looking at some of those slides, we
11:48:34 were will go at Nebraska Avenue and Hillsborough, and
11:48:36 Florida.
11:48:37 And those are our major corridors that we are trying,
11:48:41 hopefully that this will help stimulate redevelopment.
11:48:44 I can't wait to look at those slides especially with
11:48:48 the train running down the middle.
11:48:49 I think a cool component is going to be working with
11:48:51 FDOT because clearly the rights-of-way and the
11:48:53 pedestrian transition, the reception of pedestrian
11:48:57 safety, and friendliness for lack of a better board is
11:49:02 going to be critical to us.
11:49:04 And so as long as we make sure that FDOT, which in the
11:49:09 past hasn't always played as nicely with what the
11:49:12 city, as other departments, is on board with this, we
11:49:16 have to make sure they work with us, especially when
11:49:18 we start writing the technical codes.
11:49:20 A lot of this has to do with what's going to go on in
11:49:23 the rights-of-way, who owns it, and how much traffic
11:49:26 they want to move down Florida and Nebraska avenues.

11:49:29 Right now, the Florida Avenue is a highway.
11:49:33 And we want to convert it to what you saw there on the
11:49:35 screen.
11:49:35 So it's more people than cars.
11:49:38 And bicycles and all the other things that we can do
11:49:40 to make this a neighborhood-friendly area.
11:49:43 So I can't wait to keep working on this.
11:49:46 I congratulate all the staff.
11:49:48 I congratulate all the residents who showed up for
11:49:51 this.
11:49:51 And we look forward to everything all those pretty
11:49:56 slides in the future.
11:49:56 Thank you.
11:49:57 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you.
11:49:59 >>> Christy Hess. I live -- I am chair of the crime
11:50:05 awareness committee for the Old Seminole Heights
11:50:08 neighborhood association.
11:50:09 This concept will obviously greatly reduce the crime
11:50:13 in our area.
11:50:14 It goes a long way in doing that.
11:50:17 As you may know, there was an event last night where
11:50:21 Chief Hogue announced the decrease in the number of

11:50:23 the crime stats in our neighborhood.
11:50:26 We have worked very closely with the police department
11:50:28 to reduce those crime stats, and we feel like we are
11:50:32 prime for a situation like this, for a form-based
11:50:37 zoning to come in and help us redevelop those segments
11:50:40 of the neighborhood that have been pockets of crime.
11:50:44 And I encourage each of you to work with us to bring
11:50:50 our vision to fruition, and to ensure that, you know,
11:50:56 there are going to be some conflicts as we two through
11:51:02 this process.
11:51:03 Not everyone is going to be happy.
11:51:04 So I think we need to work together to find a happy
11:51:07 median that makes most sense to the majority of the
11:51:09 residents.
11:51:10 And I look forward to working with you on that
11:51:12 process.
11:51:13 Thank you.
11:51:14 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you.
11:51:16 Anyone else?
11:51:17 Motion to receive and file?
11:51:19 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: So moved.
11:51:19 >> Second.

11:51:20 (Motion carried).
11:51:23 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Okay.
11:51:24 Thank you again.
11:51:24 Very good presentation.
11:51:25 And councilmen, thank you for your indulgence this
11:51:28 morning.
11:51:29 And I think we had a good morning for a workshop.
11:51:31 Again thank you.
11:51:32 And we stand adjourned.
11:51:34 (The meeting adjourned at 11:52 a.m.)

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