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TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
Thursday, March 26, 2009
6:00 p.m. session

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[Sounding gavel]
18:03:15 >> CHAIRMAN THOMAS SCOTT: Tampa City Council will now
18:03:17 come to order.
18:03:18 We'll have roll call.
18:03:21 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Here.
18:03:22 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Here.
18:03:22 >>GWEN MILLER: Here.
18:03:27 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Here.
18:03:28 Before we turn it over to councilman Dingfelder we
18:03:37 need to take action on something we didn't do this
18:03:40 morning, a city seal, April 23rd.
18:03:43 It should have been taken care of this morning.
18:03:44 So if we can have a motion.
18:03:46 >>GWEN MILLER: Who is using the seal?
18:03:50 >> Earth force summit.
18:03:54 >>MARTIN SHELBY: A co-sponsor of the event.
18:03:58 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Moved by councilman Miranda, seconded
18:04:00 by councilman Dingfelder.
18:04:02 All in favor signify by saying Aye.
18:04:04 Opposes?
18:04:04 Okay.
18:04:08 Councilman Dingfelder.
18:04:10 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Oh, thank you.
18:04:13 If you want to come forward maybe with a few of your
18:04:17 guys.
18:04:24 >>GWEN MILLER: Come on.
18:04:31 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Council, we have Judge Chris
18:04:35 Altenbernd, Second DCA of the State of Florida as well
18:04:40 as Judge Cory Eisen is in the back, also another scout
18:04:44 troop leader for many, many years.
18:04:46 So, Judge, welcome and tell us who you got.

18:04:49 And if you or them want to say a few words, that would
18:04:54 be great.
18:04:54 >> These are all scouts from several different troops
18:04:57 in the Tocobaga district, we have scouts -- all
18:05:11 working on citizenship in the community, which is a
18:05:14 merit badge that's required for eagle.
18:05:16 And most of these boys are getting very close to
18:05:19 having their eagle badge.
18:05:20 So one of the things they have to do is come to a
18:05:23 government meeting in a city or county situation so
18:05:27 they can understand the kinds of issues that you deal
18:05:29 with.
18:05:30 And that's why they are here today.
18:05:32 On Saturday, we are going to hike all day long through
18:05:35 the city, and go all through downtown, and learn a
18:05:38 little about the history of our city, and hopefully
18:05:42 the future as well.
18:05:43 But we thank you very much for having us here this
18:05:45 evening.
18:05:46 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Thanks for coming down and good
18:05:48 luck on your eagle.
18:05:51 [ Applause ]

18:05:54 Mr. Chairman, we are also honored to have Steve
18:05:59 Skinner, back there, the city manager of Zephyrhills.
18:06:04 And a good friend but he's also a USF professor, and
18:06:07 he brought some of his masters degree class that heir
18:06:12 studying government, and we welcome you as well.
18:06:16 Thank you, Steve.
18:06:20 >>THOMAS SCOTT: We have two items on our agenda for
18:06:22 tonight.
18:06:24 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Move to open public hearings number
18:06:27 2.
18:06:27 The other is a continued public hearing.
18:06:30 >>MARY MULHERN: Second.
18:06:31 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Seconded by Councilwoman Mulhern.
18:06:36 Okay.
18:06:38 Those that are going to be addressing council, will
18:06:40 you please stand and be sworn, if you are going to
18:06:42 address council, if you are going to testify, please.
18:06:46 (Oath administered by Clerk)
18:06:53 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Mr. Chairman, I would ask that items
18:06:57 that have been available for public inspection in
18:06:59 council's office be received and filed at this time,
18:07:01 please.

18:07:01 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: So moved.
18:07:05 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Seconded by Councilwoman Miller.
18:07:08 All in favor signify by saying Aye.
18:07:12 Opposes?
18:07:13 Okay.
18:07:13 Item 2.
18:07:30 >>SAMANTHA FENGER: Land Development Coordination.
18:07:32 I have been sworn.
18:07:32 Item number 2.
18:07:33 Petition Z 09-08 is here before you tonight for 2802
18:07:38 west Azeele street.
18:07:40 The site is currently zoned PD planned development for
18:07:42 mixed use, and is asking to rezone to planned
18:07:45 development for a medical office.
18:07:46 The petitioner is skin savvy, currently operating at
18:07:50 the address adjacent to the subject site and is will
18:07:53 go to relocate.
18:07:54 The 22-acre site is surrounded by multifamily
18:07:57 residential to the north and west and commercial to
18:07:59 the south and east.
18:08:02 Vehicular access is located only on south Habana
18:08:05 Avenue and the proposed re zoning seeks to retain the

18:08:09 existing building on-site.
18:08:10 Building setbacks are as follows: 7.7 feet from the
18:08:14 west, 10.1 from the south, 20.2 from Habana Avenue,
18:08:20 and 26.9 from Azeele street.
18:08:23 25 spaces are required and the spaces are being
18:08:26 provided including one ADA space and six compact
18:08:29 spaces.
18:08:31 60% is being requested as waiver.
18:08:35 No exterior buildings, modifications are being
18:08:38 proposed to the 3,392 square foot existing building.
18:08:51 The site is located here on the corner of Habana and
18:09:03 Azeele.
18:09:05 You can see north of the site is primarily PD located
18:09:12 here along Habana with a little mix of residential
18:09:15 multifamily and residential office uses.
18:09:22 Here is an aerial view of the site.
18:09:23 Again there's only vehicular access located along
18:09:26 south Habana Avenue.
18:09:29 It located to the north of the site and also to the
18:09:31 west of the site.
18:09:32 And then there's some commercial uses located here to
18:09:34 the east of the site.

18:09:36 Here is looking north on Azeele, a multifamily,
18:09:50 looking south on Habana.
18:09:54 This is looking east on Azeele.
18:09:59 This is looking east on Habana.
18:10:05 This is a multifamily looking west on Azeele.
18:10:11 This is the current operation, not the rezoning site,
18:10:14 but this is where skin savvy is currently operating
18:10:17 which is the adjacent property which is west on
18:10:20 Habana.
18:10:23 This is the project site which is log west on Habana.
18:10:28 Here is another view of the project site looking south
18:10:30 from Azeele.
18:10:36 The petitioner is requesting four waivers, including
18:10:39 section 27-130 to reduce the required west buffer from
18:10:43 15 feet to 7.7 feet and allow a 6-foot solid wood
18:10:47 fence instead of a 6-foot masonry wall, also asking
18:10:52 for 27-242 to reduce the number of required parking
18:10:56 spaces from 20 to 8.
18:10:57 Section 27-246 to increase the percentage of compact
18:11:00 parking spaces, and 27-246 to allow access to Habana
18:11:05 Avenue, a local street.
18:11:08 The development review committee reviewed the petition

18:11:10 and found the consistent inconsistent.
18:11:12 However, if the applicant revises his site plan with
18:11:14 the requested waivers, then the DRC will amend its
18:11:18 findings to consistent, with the exception of the
18:11:20 transportation committee, which has an objection to a
18:11:23 local street.
18:11:25 Land development has one revision to remove waiver
18:11:30 number 2 from the site plan and the requested
18:11:33 provision she has provided to you as well as the
18:11:35 petitioner.
18:11:35 That concludes my presentation.
18:11:40 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Any questions?
18:11:43 Okay.
18:11:44 Planning Commission.
18:11:54 >>TONY GARCIA: Planning Commission staff.
18:11:56 I have been sworn.
18:11:57 I would like to make some additional comments as
18:12:00 relates to the comprehensive plan, the subject site
18:12:02 before you this evening.
18:12:03 As far as it relates to future land use categories, I
18:12:05 would like to point out that you have future land use
18:12:09 categories.

18:12:10 Here's the site, on the southwest corner of Habana and
18:12:12 Azeele street.
18:12:13 Residential 35, res residential 20, public-semi-public
18:12:18 community mixed use 35.
18:12:19 I would like to go directly to a greater scale of the
18:12:22 area to give you a better context of the area.
18:12:25 Here's the subject site.
18:12:27 As you can see, it lies several blocks to the north of
18:12:29 Memorial Hospital, along Swann where we also have a
18:12:33 variety of other medically related uses, in addition
18:12:37 to having pretty good connectivity.
18:12:39 Azeele is a connector road and collect very
18:12:42 efficiently in the gridded pattern to MacDill to
18:12:44 the west, which is an arterial, Kennedy Boulevard to
18:12:47 the north, and Armenia Avenue which lies to the east.
18:12:50 The request as has been stated to you is going to be a
18:12:54 conversion for a little bit more intensity from
18:12:56 professional office use to medical office use that is
18:13:02 fairly much seeded to that.
18:13:03 The connection activity is very good, as far as access
18:13:06 is concern concerned and also pedestrian activity.
18:13:09 You do have sidewalks along Azeele and along Habana.

18:13:12 The applicant does currently have their operation
18:13:15 right here just to the south, but the subject site,
18:13:18 and is basically needing a little bit more room with
18:13:20 which is why they have had a request to try and go to
18:13:24 this particular site that's before you this evening.
18:13:27 Planning Commission staff based on those findings of
18:13:29 facts finds the proposed request consistent with the
18:13:31 comprehensive plan.
18:13:36 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Any questions?
18:13:37 Petitioner?
18:13:41 >>> Good evening, Mr. Chairman.
18:13:43 John Larocca, agent for the petitioner.
18:13:46 I have been sworn in.
18:13:47 My address is 101 East Kennedy Boulevard, Tampa,
18:13:49 Florida.
18:13:52 With me this evening is Toni Sloman the owner of the
18:13:56 property and the applicant, the operator of skin savvy
18:14:02 RX currently located to the south and adjacent to this
18:14:05 property.
18:14:05 City Council rezoned the property to the south four
18:14:09 and a half years ago for this unique medical practice.
18:14:13 Classified as a medical practice but it is a unique

18:14:17 business in the sense that it provides skin care,
18:14:23 aesthetic skin care treatment, without the typical
18:14:29 complexities of medical office complex that typically
18:14:33 generate substantial need for parking.
18:14:35 And as the applicant looked at this property adjacent,
18:14:42 the property suited the business establishment
18:14:44 perfectly.
18:14:45 The property, subject of this petition, was rezoned in
18:14:49 1989 for PD for a mixed use, professional office
18:14:53 facility.
18:14:55 Operationally at that location was insurance services
18:14:58 and financial planning services over the years, and
18:15:02 for those of you who have visited the site or driven
18:15:04 by, some of the photos that I'll be glad to show, in
18:15:08 addition to what the staff has shown, the property is
18:15:10 beautifully landscaped, there's some patio area.
18:15:14 It was a home that was converted with some office, and
18:15:17 much of that ancillary aspect of the building will be
18:15:21 retained in its existing character.
18:15:24 So there are no changes being proposed to buffering,
18:15:27 to parking, to landscaping, and it's quite attractive
18:15:31 improvement to that corner of what is becoming a

18:15:35 trendy office area in close proximity to Memorial
18:15:40 Hospital.
18:15:41 But what I want to specifically address and put on the
18:15:44 record -- and it is on the site plan -- this PD is
18:15:47 unique and the use is unique in the sense that the
18:15:50 significant component of this request is a waiver from
18:15:53 20 to 8 parking spaces.
18:15:55 But we are very specific.
18:15:57 And I want to state for the record that we have
18:15:59 described very clearly what this use is in the PD.
18:16:03 We have described the amount of area of the building
18:16:06 that's being committed to this particular use.
18:16:09 Only 1325 square feet is intended for use for the
18:16:13 practice of this aesthetic skin care treatment
18:16:16 facility, and we are being very clear, as the note on
18:16:20 the plan, that the use of property will be limited to
18:16:22 this unique aesthetic skin care treatment facility,
18:16:27 other medical type uses not in character with the uses
18:16:30 described herein shall not be permitted and we
18:16:32 describe certain aspects of the business.
18:16:34 With that said, we agree with the conditions that have
18:16:38 been imposed by the development review committee,

18:16:41 agree to the conditions, and suggestions that have
18:16:44 been made to eliminate inconsistencies by revisions to
18:16:47 the plan.
18:16:48 We will and intend to do that should we move forward
18:16:51 with this petition tonight.
18:16:53 But I wanted to clarify for the record that we feel
18:16:56 very strongly about our intent in describing the
18:16:59 uniqueness of this business.
18:17:00 It's not a type of business that generates
18:17:03 appointments on ten minute or 15 minute intervals.
18:17:08 Appointments, visitors or clients are there only by
18:17:12 appointment.
18:17:14 There were some suggestions and it in the staff report
18:17:17 to limit the number of employees.
18:17:18 All of this stems from experience that was gained next
18:17:22 door at the business that has been running, I believe,
18:17:25 and the petitioner can speak directly if you have
18:17:28 specific operational questions, has worked fine at
18:17:32 that location without any conflict with the
18:17:34 neighborhood.
18:17:34 So with that said, I respectfully ask for your
18:17:37 consideration.

18:17:40 Ms. Sloman is here to answer any operational
18:17:42 questions.
18:17:43 Again I will be happy to answer any questions about
18:17:45 the specificity of the use in the plan.
18:17:48 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Councilwoman Saul-Sena.
18:17:49 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: This is one of the handsomest
18:17:52 professional office uses I have seen come before us,
18:17:54 and I just wondered if the petitioner is going to take
18:17:57 the sign from the previous location to this location.
18:17:59 >>> I believe that is -- in compliance with the city
18:18:05 code with signage.
18:18:08 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: It is thanks.
18:18:14 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: You read my mind a little bit, Mr.
18:18:17 LaRocca, passing by daily several times, the parking
18:18:20 reduction would concern me a little bit.
18:18:21 So the question is two fold.
18:18:25 How many employees are there, assuming they all drive
18:18:31 separately?
18:18:33 >>> There are four employees.
18:18:35 And staff has asked us to committee to that on the
18:18:37 plan.
18:18:38 It's one of the notes that's on --

18:18:43 >> Four including the owner?
18:18:46 >> That's correct.
18:18:47 >> And how many, I don't know what you want to call
18:18:50 them, treatment rooms or exam rooms?
18:18:52 >>> I would ask Mrs. Sloman to answer those questions.
18:18:56 I believe there are three rooms.
18:18:58 If there's anything beyond -- the details of that I'll
18:19:01 let Mrs. Sloman answer that, but I believe there's
18:19:04 three treatment rooms. In fact this particular
18:19:06 building although it's almost double in size over the
18:19:10 total square footage to the south, essentially the
18:19:13 same amount of square footage is being devoted to the
18:19:16 use, but again the international components of this
18:19:20 property have the residential components.
18:19:23 They are using it for air conditioned storage.
18:19:26 There is a nice patio, a nice kitchen, it's all
18:19:30 ancillary to the main part of the business.
18:19:34 >> I think in addition to the limitation on the number
18:19:36 of employees, I would probably like to see a
18:19:38 limitation on the number of exam rooms, even though
18:19:41 today it's, you know, the three, just to keep it at
18:19:45 the three as part of the conditions.

18:19:48 If staff is okay with that.
18:19:52 >>> From the petitioner's perspective, that's fine.
18:19:55 >> I know it's difficult to enforce.
18:19:58 That's probably where Ms. Cole has angst about that.
18:20:05 As soon as we are on the same page, but I think it
18:20:08 would be good.
18:20:09 >>MARY MULHERN: I'm just looking at not for a
18:20:15 requirement or anything, but when I'm looking at the
18:20:18 overhead it looks like you could have angled parking
18:20:20 if you needed it in front of the building.
18:20:22 If you look at the building that's just north of
18:20:25 yours, across what probably used to be a street, or an
18:20:31 alley, that looks like it's -- 7th street?
18:20:36 What street is just north?
18:20:42 I might be looking -- okay.
18:20:47 Is that blue on this sheet?
18:20:49 The blue scare or rectangle?
18:20:51 Is that whole thing your property?
18:20:53 Or is that just showing the area where it is?
18:20:59 That's the house, right?
18:21:04 >>> Yes, the roof is two colors.
18:21:06 The white roof is -- the gray roof -- this is a

18:21:12 photograph provided by your staff.
18:21:13 >> Oh, that's all one building?
18:21:16 >>> That's all one building.
18:21:17 >> I was actually looking in the wrong direction, I'm
18:21:20 sorry.
18:21:20 But on Habana, it looks like there's enough room in
18:21:23 front.
18:21:27 >>> Well, operationally, note the pavers that have
18:21:34 been installed.
18:21:35 And we have tried to deal within some dimensional
18:21:38 criterias.
18:21:39 We go through the DRC approval process.
18:21:41 Obviously we try to update, do whatever we can without
18:21:44 altering the site.
18:21:45 The site is all developed out.
18:21:48 Again it's been our position that the property next
18:21:51 door, and the business that's been operating there,
18:21:53 was approved for essentially the same size, increasing
18:21:57 the operational aspect of this by about 200 square
18:22:00 feet.
18:22:01 It operated with four designated parking spaces, and
18:22:06 then with the zoning approval, City Council allowed a

18:22:09 parking space in the driveway but it's my
18:22:12 understanding -- and again if there's been any
18:22:13 experiences different than my understanding, there's
18:22:16 really never been a parking issue with this business,
18:22:18 and the way it operates.
18:22:19 >> I don't really have a problem with it.
18:22:22 We were talking about this morning, just in terms of
18:22:25 our code, how really we live in the city, and
18:22:29 sometimes you have to park on the street.
18:22:31 And this just looks like there's a whole area there
18:22:34 where if you happen to have extra cars, they could
18:22:37 park there.
18:22:39 It doesn't --
18:22:40 >>> We are committing to a sidewalk that isn't there
18:22:42 now.
18:22:43 >> Oh, okay, you are putting in a sidewalk?
18:22:45 >>> That area currently, there's some landscaping and
18:22:48 some gravel area, but we have committed to a sidewalk.
18:22:50 >> Okay.
18:22:53 Thank you.
18:22:57 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: Sir, do you fall under the
18:22:58 regulations of the Department of Professional

18:23:00 Regulation there?
18:23:02 >>> I believe we do.
18:23:04 Yes.
18:23:05 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: So they would have to have an
18:23:09 establishment license from the DPR?
18:23:11 >>> Yes.
18:23:15 Ms. Sloman, why don't you address some of the aspects?
18:23:18 This is Toni Sloman, the petitioner.
18:23:22 >>> Hi.
18:23:23 We do fall under medical clinic regulation, and we are
18:23:27 in compliance with all of them.
18:23:30 However, there is a medical clinic license that we
18:23:35 don't have to have because we accept no third party
18:23:38 reimbursement.
18:23:39 This is not a medical-medical clinic.
18:23:41 This is beauty cosmetic pre-pay or basically prepay
18:23:47 clinic.
18:23:48 So we file no insurance, and as such we are not
18:23:52 classified as a legal medical clinic, although I
18:23:56 follow all the medical rules.
18:24:00 It's kind of a quasi-operation now, the emergence of
18:24:03 medical and with cosmetics, and so every rule that I'm

18:24:10 aware of -- and I'm aware of most of them because I
18:24:15 usually do accreditation for surgical facilities.
18:24:19 The particular license as a medical clinic, we don't
18:24:23 have to have that because we don't accept third party
18:24:25 reimbursements.
18:24:26 >> Are you a doctor?
18:24:28 >>> I'm a nurse practitioner.
18:24:30 Dr. Michael Stanford is the medical director of skin
18:24:33 savvy.
18:24:36 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I'm sorry, for the clerk, give your
18:24:38 name for the record.
18:24:39 >>> Toni Sloman.
18:24:44 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Any other questions?
18:24:47 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Mr. Chairman, if I could.
18:24:48 The last question I had probably more for planning
18:24:51 staff, in regard to ADA spaces, I mean, one would
18:25:03 thing if it medical, then do we have an ADA number of
18:25:08 spaces requirement?
18:25:09 Or is that part of the waiver?
18:25:12 And I recognize it not medical-medical as Mrs. Sloman
18:25:17 indicated, but I'm just curious how that works out.
18:25:22 >>> Transportation.

18:25:24 We are providing ADA spaces.
18:25:26 >> I'm just wondering do we have a ratio?
18:25:34 >>> One per 25.
18:25:35 >> For a medical clinic?
18:25:37 >>> Yes, for any use.
18:25:40 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Surprising.
18:25:40 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Anyone wishing to address council may
18:25:43 come forward at this time.
18:25:44 Anyone here wanting to address council on this
18:25:47 petition.
18:25:48 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Move to close.
18:25:48 >> Second.
18:25:49 (Motion carried)
18:25:52 Councilman Dingfelder?
18:25:58 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I move the following ordinance for
18:25:59 first reading, and I'll include the staff-requested
18:26:05 revisions dated March 26th from land development,
18:26:07 transportation, solid waste, and I would also like
18:26:10 staff to add the limitation on number of exam rooms to
18:26:13 three.
18:26:15 Rezoning property in the general vicinity of 2802 west
18:26:18 Azeele street in the city of Tampa, Florida more

18:26:20 particularly described in section 1 from zoning
18:26:22 district classification PD to planned development
18:26:24 mixed use to PD planned development, medical office,
18:26:27 providing an effective date.
18:26:34 >>THOMAS SCOTT: He had his hand up.
18:26:36 Mr. Miranda?
18:26:37 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: No.
18:26:38 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Moved and seconded by councilman
18:26:42 Miranda.
18:26:42 All in favor?
18:26:44 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried unanimously.
18:26:45 Second reading and adoption will be on April 16th
18:26:47 at 9:30 a.m.
18:26:49 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Okay.
18:26:50 Thank you.
18:27:06 >> Item 3 is a continued public hearing.
18:27:12 You may proceed.
18:27:22 >>LaCHONE DOCK: Land Development Coordination.
18:27:25 And I have been sworn.
18:27:26 The last item on tonight's agenda is petition Z 09-02
18:27:31 for property located at 513 South Florida Avenue.
18:27:34 The request is to rezone the property from CBD-2 to

18:27:37 CBD-2.
18:27:39 The petitioner is proposing to expand the existing
18:27:41 hotel use to include meeting rooms, kitchens, to be
18:27:47 located above the parking garage.
18:27:49 The proposed development includes an additional 300
18:27:51 square feet of ancillary retail and coffee shop, 9,905
18:27:57 square feet of meeting space, 15,227 square feet of
18:28:00 offices, rooms and kitchens, from the previously
18:28:03 approved rezoning.
18:28:04 The previous rezoning approval contained a total of
18:28:07 266,428 square feet, with a maximum overall building
18:28:14 height of 275 feet.
18:28:17 This rezoning request proposes an additional 25,432
18:28:21 square feet, containing two stories.
18:28:26 The project is required to have 120 parking spaces and
18:28:29 237 spaces are being provided.
18:28:38 I have a zoning atlas of the area located downtown.
18:28:43 This is the property located here in green.
18:28:45 On Channelside Drive, to the north, Franklin to the
18:28:51 west, Florida Avenue to the east, CBD-2 zoning
18:28:55 districts surrounding the property.
18:28:58 This is an aerial of the site.

18:29:01 On Channelside, Franklin on the west, Florida.
18:29:06 This is the location of the parking garage with the
18:29:09 proposed addition.
18:29:14 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: This is in the existing building?
18:29:17 >>LaCHONE DOCK: This is the existing building here.
18:29:20 And this is the existing parking garage, and they are
18:29:24 proposing two additional stories.
18:29:25 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Okay.
18:29:29 >>> This is another view of the site.
18:29:33 This is the view on Channelside Drive.
18:29:38 This is the southeast view of the site.
18:29:43 The Southview.
18:29:48 This is located south of the site.
18:29:54 This is southeast of the site.
18:29:59 This is east of the site on Channelside.
18:30:03 And the convention center located west of the site.
18:30:09 The development review committee has reviewed the
18:30:12 petition and finds it consistent with applicable City
18:30:14 of Tampa land development regulations.
18:30:17 There is a change that we are requesting on the site
18:30:20 plan.
18:30:22 If you will note on page 2 of the staff report, under

18:30:25 transportation comment, we are requesting that they
18:30:28 correct the code section for waiver number 2.
18:30:30 It should be listed to read "section 27-248, and
18:30:36 number 4."
18:30:37 And that concludes staff's presentation.
18:30:39 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Any questions?
18:30:42 >>LaCHONE DOCK: I'm available if you have any
18:30:44 questions.
18:30:44 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Planning Commission?
18:30:50 >>TONY GARCIA: Planning Commission staff.
18:30:51 I have been sworn.
18:30:55 The future land use category for this particular site,
18:30:58 and of course all the surrounding areas, central
18:31:01 business district, which is basically the nucleus and
18:31:04 heart of all the activity within the City of Tampa and
18:31:07 our primary economic engine.
18:31:10 Adjacent to the convention center, the major college
18:31:14 stop, waterfront Marriott, Lee Roy Selmon, Crosstown
18:31:17 expressway to the north, it's already been explained
18:31:19 to you, an additional 25,000 square feet to basically
18:31:23 try to make the existing embassy suites on-site a more
18:31:27 full service hotel to accommodate the guests coming to

18:31:30 the downtown area, whether it be for convention or for
18:31:33 any other activity down in the CBD area.
18:31:37 Planning Commission staff finds the proposed request
18:31:39 consistent with the comprehensive plan.
18:31:40 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Any questions?
18:31:42 Petitioner?
18:31:42 >>DAVID MECHANIK: 305 South Boulevard, Tampa, Florida.
18:31:53 I have not been sworn.
18:31:58 (Oath administered by Clerk)
18:32:03 >>DAVID MECHANIK: Staff did an excellent job
18:32:05 describing the proposed expansion.
18:32:06 Of course, this is the existing embassy suites hotel,
18:32:09 and we would be building the addition on top of the
18:32:12 existing parking garage, so I won't go into any
18:32:17 detail.
18:32:18 I do have Mr. Randy Coen who will present the site
18:32:21 plan and the rendering of the proposed addition.
18:32:25 I would just lick for the record to clarify we will
18:32:27 correct a type graphical error on the site plan.
18:32:30 In addition, the staff had asked us to add a note
18:32:34 which we are more than agreeable to doing, which would
18:32:38 require that the actual construction be consistent

18:32:40 with the rendering -- I'm sorry, the elevation that we
18:32:46 submitted dated February 3rd, 2009.
18:32:50 We added some language to that particular note to make
18:32:55 clear, we were concerned that there are some windows
18:32:58 shown on the elevation that may not be allowed because
18:33:03 of the fire code.
18:33:06 Sometimes because of the building's proximity to the
18:33:09 right-of-way, they may not allow for a window opening.
18:33:12 So what we did is add language to make clear that any
18:33:17 windows that are prohibited because of the fire code,
18:33:21 we would make those windows -- make them false
18:33:24 windows, but make them appear as if they are real
18:33:28 windows by placing glass on the fire rated wall, and
18:33:31 putting a window frame and molding on top of the
18:33:35 glass, so from the street view, from any particular
18:33:38 view, those windows would appear as if they were
18:33:41 absolutely real windows.
18:33:43 And we will add that note.
18:33:47 We just passed the language out to you.
18:33:49 So with that, would ask Mr. Cohen to give you a brief
18:33:54 description of the site plan.
18:33:56 >>> Randy Coen, 4121 west Cyprus street.

18:34:01 I have been sworn.
18:34:02 I just want to go real quickly through the elevations
18:34:06 for you to give you an idea where this is placed on
18:34:08 the existing embassy suites hotel.
18:34:10 And while mark is setting those up, I would tell you
18:34:13 that we also have a note on the plans for your urban
18:34:16 design manager to have a comment at 30, 60 and 90%
18:34:22 design on this facility so we can make sure with the
18:34:25 system, with the elevations.
18:34:28 Hopefully this is on.
18:34:32 Yes.
18:34:32 Basically what we are talking about, this, generally
18:34:34 speaking, is the top of the existing parking garage
18:34:37 that you saw on the photographs.
18:34:39 It's a two-story addition.
18:34:41 First story basically operational area.
18:34:43 Second story is actually the meeting room facility.
18:34:46 We do have a balcony on this area, over Channelside
18:34:49 Drive.
18:34:50 We do have a fair amount of our potential building
18:34:55 area facing Franklin Street and the convention center.
18:34:58 This is a stair to you theory is required by life

18:35:02 safety code as well.
18:35:04 The finishes on the building will match the existing
18:35:06 building, I believe rather handsomely, takes the
18:35:09 existing building and puts, if you will, a finish on
18:35:12 the parking garage, that certainly right now just
18:35:15 stands as parapet walls.
18:35:17 I think it's a very nice addition.
18:35:19 These are the windows that Mr. Mechanik was talking
18:35:22 about where there is at least not clarity right now,
18:35:26 on a physical ability to build actual windows that you
18:35:29 will be able to view from the inside as well as the
18:35:32 outside in.
18:35:33 What we are committing to is these windows will be in
18:35:35 place, simply a matter whether you will be able to
18:35:37 view through them from the inside to the outside.
18:35:41 I'm here to answer any questions, and see where we go
18:35:43 from there.
18:35:46 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Councilwoman Mulhern and then
18:35:48 Saul-Sena.
18:35:48 >>MARY MULHERN: I don't know who wants to answer.
18:35:50 I'm trying to understand the fire code window thing.
18:35:53 Which windows?

18:35:54 All of the windows that we are looking at?
18:36:02 >>> The problem is --
18:36:05 >>MARY MULHERN: All the windows on Franklin Street?
18:36:09 And what's the fire code?
18:36:14 >>> Randy Coen: Well, the fire issue is that windows
18:36:19 don't prevent the spread of fire as significantly as a
18:36:26 solid wall would.
18:36:27 So all we are trying to say, if we are required to
18:36:30 have a wall there, we will make the window appear as
18:36:35 exactly as if it were a real window.
18:36:38 >> It's a building in a city.
18:36:45 It can't have windows on buildings in the city?
18:36:47 >>> Well, it's a question of its proximity to the
18:36:50 property line, and we think there's a good argument
18:36:52 for why they will not require us to do that, because
18:36:55 it's right-of-way that is beyond the property line.
18:36:58 In the typical code requirement would be if you were
18:37:01 three feet from an adjacent building.
18:37:03 That's when they really, truly would be concerned
18:37:06 about the spread of fire.
18:37:08 >> Well, why don't you just knock those back instead
18:37:11 of having that overhang?

18:37:13 And then you wouldn't have the problem.
18:37:17 Push them in.
18:37:19 >>> Well, it would reduce the size of the usable space
18:37:22 that we are trying to achieve through the expansion.
18:37:24 >> So you just don't care about having any light?
18:37:27 I mean, then you have to hold this whole part of your
18:37:30 building, basically just walls of --
18:37:34 >>> It would be our preference to have real windows
18:37:36 and we will certainly argue for that, but we can't
18:37:38 change the fire code.
18:37:41 It's just a matter of if the building department would
18:37:45 absolutely require it, then we would not have a
18:37:48 choice.
18:37:49 >> So if you didn't have those windows, then it stops
18:38:00 the fire -- I don't understand the fire stuff.
18:38:03 I guess you don't need to explain it to me.
18:38:06 But the only other question is this is an old -- it
18:38:11 looks like from one of the photographs, this is -- is
18:38:18 this garage part of the existing building?
18:38:21 >>> No, it's all new construction.
18:38:22 It was built blood pressure five years ago.
18:38:24 >> What was that brick building that when saw?

18:38:29 LaShon, I think you had it.
18:38:55 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: It's parking garage.
18:38:59 >>MARY MULHERN: That's it?
18:39:03 I know what that is.
18:39:04 I thought there was -- okay.
18:39:09 >>LaCHONE DOCK: That's the current site.
18:39:11 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: What we have now --
18:39:23 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Could we have the Elmo back, please?
18:39:29 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Thank you.
18:39:31 (off microphone) I was a member of City Council when
18:39:34 this parking structure was improved and I am really
18:39:36 embarrassed because I think it's a very significant
18:39:39 location and this is an extremely mediocre building.
18:39:45 It is an attempt to do something rather than having a
18:39:48 completely empty space, but the original drawings we
18:39:52 approved even though Ms. Moreda couldn't find them
18:39:54 indicated that there would be some difference in paint
18:39:57 color, that there be some more definition.
18:40:00 At this point I think the best thing that could have
18:40:02 possibly happened to this is plant kudzu all around
18:40:07 and have the kudzu grow around it and cover it up.
18:40:09 What is proposed today, the only thing we can

18:40:11 officially comment on is really attractive, and I'm
18:40:14 tickled to death we are going to get a top part that's
18:40:16 nice.
18:40:16 But in the future, council, this is why we have to go
18:40:19 back and rethink our urban design standards, so that
18:40:23 we don't have more of these mediocre build innings in
18:40:28 very visible parts of our downtown, because Tampa is
18:40:31 evolving.
18:40:32 We need to have higher quality standards, and not have
18:40:36 facades like this in the future.
18:40:38 I do want to compliment the petitioners.
18:40:40 It took them a long time to redo the bridge between
18:40:43 embassy suites and convention center.
18:40:45 What we have now is really excellent.
18:40:46 It has a public art component, a hotel, attractive,
18:40:50 hundreds of thousands of visitors, and I'm proud
18:40:54 because when people come to Tampa I want to be proud
18:40:56 of what they see.
18:40:57 The convention center is attractive, we invested a lot
18:40:59 in that, and I think the new proposed top for this
18:41:02 parking structure will be much better than what we
18:41:05 have now.

18:41:08 And I hope the whole thing can be upgraded.
18:41:11 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Councilman Dingfelder.
18:41:12 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Mr. Stair, are you with us tonight?
18:41:19 >>WILSON STAIR: Urban design.
18:41:20 I have been sworn.
18:41:22 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Thank you, Wilson.
18:41:23 First, I want to reiterate what Ms. Saul-Sena said.
18:41:28 We all see this parking garage, you know, when you
18:41:30 come into downtown from the Bayshore, it's the first
18:41:34 thing you pretty much see as you pop out from
18:41:36 underneath the convention center, and it has been a
18:41:40 disappointment.
18:41:42 But, with that said, this new thing, to me it's like a
18:41:47 wedding cake.
18:41:48 The bottom of the wedding cake is kind of boring but
18:41:50 the top part is actually very pretty.
18:41:52 And so I think it looks like it's going to be a big
18:41:54 improvement.
18:41:55 I was curious in your professional opinion, Mr. Stair,
18:41:58 since that's your job and not mine.
18:41:59 >>WILSON STAIR: The upper part has been done well, and
18:42:04 I will say that the architect on this particular

18:42:07 project was not the original architect, but just hired
18:42:12 to do this addition.
18:42:15 I'm impressed with his ability, and I can't speak for
18:42:22 the petitioner, but I have had one discussion where a
18:42:29 member of the developer's team, and there may be an
18:42:34 indication where they dress up the existing parking
18:42:38 garage along with the upper two stories, mainly
18:42:43 because it just like has been suggested here, that
18:42:51 two-story top is going to be dramatically different
18:42:54 from the base, and there are a lot of little things
18:43:00 that you can do, to add complexity and other things to
18:43:06 it.
18:43:09 The base does meet the minimum standards, and
18:43:11 unfortunately a lot of our codes are that way, that
18:43:13 you can meet the minimum standards but just don't hit
18:43:17 the mark.
18:43:18 And so with the architect on this particular addition,
18:43:30 is very fussy, very quality oriented.
18:43:35 I have a lot of optimism about what may transfer from
18:43:41 those two stories down to the existing parking garage.
18:43:43 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: The only other thing I was going to
18:43:46 say, Mr. Chairman, I think one of the ugliest

18:43:48 buildings along that entire stretch is the city garage
18:43:51 next door.
18:43:52 So I guess we can be guilty ourselves.
18:43:57 Thank you.
18:43:57 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Any other questions?
18:44:00 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: Did you vote for that, John?
18:44:02 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: No, that was before my time.
18:44:04 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Anyone here from council wishes to
18:44:07 address this petition?
18:44:08 Anyone from the public?
18:44:09 >> Move to close.
18:44:10 >> Moved and seconded.
18:44:13 Do you want to read it?
18:44:14 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Move an ordinance rezoning property
18:44:23 in the general vicinity of 513 South Florida Avenue,
18:44:25 city of Tampa, Florida, more particularly described in
18:44:27 section 1 from zoning district classification CBD-2,
18:44:32 central business district hotel, to CBD-2, central
18:44:36 business district hotel, with accessory meeting rooms,
18:44:39 office, retail space, providing an effective date.
18:44:43 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Second.
18:44:44 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Seconded by councilman Dingfelder.

18:44:46 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: And the requirements that were so
18:44:49 stated on the record.
18:44:51 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Okay.
18:44:51 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: You thought you had me, huh?
18:44:56 >> All in favor signify by saying Aye.
18:44:58 Opposes?
18:44:59 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried unanimously.
18:45:03 Second reading adoption will be held on the 16th
18:45:08 at 99:30 a.m.
18:45:11 >> Move to receive and file.
18:45:12 >> Second.
18:45:12 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Any other business to come before
18:45:14 council?
18:45:15 >>MARY MULHERN: I have one piece of new business I
18:45:17 would like to add to put on the agenda for April
18:45:23 23rd, which I think is a workshop.
18:45:29 I had this morning, and now I don't have the calendar.
18:45:34 Jim, do you have the calendar?
18:45:36 I'm pretty sure April 23rd is the workshop.
18:45:40 It is.
18:45:41 Okay.
18:45:41 I would ask to have a discussion about green jobs and

18:45:47 the stimulus package.
18:45:49 And there's a group called green jobs for the people
18:45:52 that's working on this in Tampa.
18:45:54 And it's a number of people, there's people from USF,
18:45:58 there's students, a lot of pastors, and some economic
18:46:03 development people, mostly from East Tampa, and they
18:46:06 want to come and talk about how they --
18:46:15 We need to talk about crime because that's the issue
18:46:18 on the 23rd date.
18:46:23 We added it this morning.
18:46:26 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I believe that one of the things
18:46:29 that's on there is going to get a very short
18:46:31 discussion, a discussion of the local economy.
18:46:34 Because I think that I think it's going to be a very
18:46:36 short discussion.
18:46:41 >>MARY MULHERN: So right after that.
18:46:44 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: So 11:00.
18:46:45 >>THOMAS SCOTT: You already have an 11.
18:46:49 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: 11:15.
18:46:50 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Maybe a bit earlier before then.
18:46:55 10:30?
18:46:56 Mr. Clerk, would you say what we have?

18:47:00 >>THE CLERK: What I have listed on the schedule is two
18:47:02 commendations at 9:00, police officer and firefighter,
18:47:05 then the workshop for six month review of expenditure
18:47:08 report, overview.
18:47:09 Then you say there was something else added this
18:47:11 morning.
18:47:12 >>THOMAS SCOTT: At 11:00.
18:47:14 A request from Cindy Miller, the one bay.
18:47:18 >>THE CLERK: So we have a 9:00 and 11:00.
18:47:23 >> 10:30?
18:47:28 >>MARTIN SHELBY: You may need to make it even earlier,
18:47:31 council.
18:47:31 >>MARY MULHERN: 10.
18:47:34 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Moved and seconded.
18:47:37 All in favor signify by saying Aye.
18:47:40 Opposes?
18:47:41 Anything else?
18:47:42 If not we stand adjourned.
18:47:43 Thank you.
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