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TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
APRIL 30, 2009
5:30 p.m. and 6:00 p.m. Public Hearings

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>>THOMAS SCOTT: Tampa City Council will now come to
order.
17:36:19 We'll have roll call.
17:36:24 >>GWEN MILLER: Here.
17:36:24 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Here.
17:36:25 >>MARY MULHERN: Here.
17:36:28 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Here.
17:36:29 Okay.
17:36:31 We have a 5:30 item.
17:36:32 This is a second public hearing on -- I guess we need
17:36:36 to open the public hearing.
17:36:38 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: So move.
17:36:39 >>GWEN MILLER: Second.
17:36:39 >>THOMAS SCOTT: All in favor, say aye.
17:36:42 [Motion Carried]
17:36:42 Do we need any information or do you want to do the
17:36:45 reading?
17:36:46 >> Toyin Hargrett, assistant City Attorney.
17:36:50 I think I explained it a little bit the last time we
17:36:52 were in front of you.
17:36:53 But this basically has to do with amending the arrest
17:36:57 authority and the investigation for the fire marshal.
17:37:00 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Okay.
17:37:02 Moved to --
17:37:03 >> Ask if there's anybody from the public.
17:37:05 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Anyone from the public wish to address
17:37:07 Council on item one?
17:37:09 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Move to close.
17:37:10 >>MARY MULHERN: Second.
17:37:11 >>THOMAS SCOTT: All in favor, signify by saying aye.
17:37:13 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Move an ordinance of the City of
17:37:15 Tampa amending chapter 11 of City of Tampa Code of
17:37:18 ordinance providing for repeal of all ordinances in

17:37:21 conflict; providing for severability; providing for an
17:37:22 effective date.
17:37:24 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Moved and seconded.
17:37:25 Seconded by councilwoman Mulhern.
17:37:27 Need a voice roll call.
17:37:33 >>JOSEPH CAETANO: Yes.
17:37:36 >>GWEN MILLER: Yes.
17:37:41 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Yes.
17:37:42 >>MARY MULHERN: Yes.
17:37:44 >>The Clerk: And Dingfelder?
17:37:46 The motion carried with Saul-Sena and Dingfelder being
17:37:52 absent.
17:37:57 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Okay.
17:38:02 We will stand in recess until 6:00.
17:38:03 [ Recess ]
17:38:06 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Tampa City Council will now come to
18:02:25 order.
18:02:26 We'll have roll call.
18:02:30 >>JOSEPH CAETANO: Here.
18:02:31 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Here.
18:02:32 >>GWEN MILLER: Here.
18:02:36 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Here.

18:02:37 Going to our 6:00 items.
18:02:43 Where is our attorney?
18:02:45 I was going to swear everybody in first.
18:02:57 Do you want to do that?
18:03:02 >>GWEN MILLER: Not yet.
18:03:03 Clean up the agenda first.
18:03:05 >> Good evening, Mr. Chairman, Council members.
18:03:07 LaChone Dock, Land Development Coordination.
18:03:11 I've handed out an agenda.
18:03:14 I would like to go over the items on the agenda.
18:03:16 Item number 6, there's a memorandum from Barbara Lynch
18:03:19 with right-of-way and mapping requesting a continuance
18:03:22 of said public hearing to May 14th, 2009, 6 p.m.
18:03:29 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Anybody here want to address Council
18:03:30 on item number 6 on the continuance?
18:03:33 Anybody want to address Council on item number 6?
18:03:36 >>GWEN MILLER: Move to continue to May 14th at
18:03:39 6 p.m.
18:03:43 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Moved and seconded.
18:03:44 All in favor, signify by saying aye.
18:03:46 Opposes?
18:03:47 Okay.

18:03:48 >>LaCHONE DOCK: Item number 7, if this could be
18:03:51 removed from the agenda, it cannot be heard due to
18:03:54 misnotice.
18:03:55 It has been administratively rescheduled to
18:03:56 May 14th, 2009 at 6 p.m.
18:04:04 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Do we need to hear from the public?
18:04:06 >> No, it can't be heard.
18:04:08 >>GWEN MILLER: Make a motion to reschedule to
18:04:10 May 14th at 6 p.m.
18:04:11 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Moved and seconded.
18:04:13 Seconded by Councilwoman Saul-Sena.
18:04:15 All in favor, aye.
18:04:16 Opposes?
18:04:17 >>LaCHONE DOCK: Item number 9, there's a memorandum
18:04:19 from Barbara Lynch, right-of-way and mapping,
18:04:22 requesting continuance of said public hearing to
18:04:25 June 18, 2009 at 6 p.m.
18:04:27 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Let me raise a question on that item
18:04:30 now.
18:04:30 I have a memorandum or letter requesting that, but
18:04:33 they said they are removing it or ask for a
18:04:35 continuance to travel with the parallel number 10.

18:04:40 But number 10, do we have a request for number 10?
18:04:44 >>LaCHONE DOCK: Yes, also number 10.
18:04:46 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Can we take both of them at the same
18:04:47 time?
18:04:48 >>LaCHONE DOCK: Okay, yes.
18:04:49 >>THOMAS SCOTT: We can do that, can't we?
18:04:51 >>LaCHONE DOCK: Yes.
18:04:52 Items 9 and 10, if we could.
18:04:54 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Okay.
18:04:55 Items 9 and 10.
18:04:56 Anyone wish to address Council on items 9 and 10?
18:04:59 Items 9 and 10, they are requesting a continuance to
18:05:02 June 18th, 2009.
18:05:04 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Chairman move for the continuance
18:05:06 to June 18th, 2009 at 6:00.
18:05:10 >>THOMAS SCOTT: On item 9 and 10.
18:05:12 All in favor, signify by saying aye.
18:05:15 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I'm sorry, Mr. Chairman, item 10 --
18:05:18 item 9 is a continued public hearing.
18:05:20 Item 10 is a --
18:05:24 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Move to open item number 10.
18:05:26 >>THOMAS SCOTT: All in favor, signify by aye.

18:05:28 Anyone here wish to address Council?
18:05:30 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Move to close item 10 for
18:05:32 continuance --
18:05:34 >> Move to continue.
18:05:35 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Yeah.
18:05:35 Move to continue the June 18th, '09 at 6:00.
18:05:38 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Second.
18:05:39 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Moved and seconded.
18:05:41 Move -- moved by Councilman Miranda, seconded by
18:05:46 Councilwoman Saul-Sena.
18:05:47 All in favor, aye.
18:05:48 Opposes?
18:05:49 >>LaCHONE DOCK: That's all.
18:05:50 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Is that it?
18:05:52 >>LaCHONE DOCK: Yes.
18:05:53 We should have items 2, 3, 4, 5, 8, and 11.
18:05:57 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Okay.
18:05:58 Wonderful.
18:05:59 You did a good job.
18:06:00 Those who wish to address Council tonight, please
18:06:05 stand and be sworn.
18:06:06 If you're going to be speaking on any item tonight,

18:06:08 please raise your right hand and the clerk will swear
18:06:11 you in.
18:06:12 (Oath administered by clerk).
18:06:17 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Mr. Chairman, I believe there are
18:06:19 items to receive and file that have been available for
18:06:22 public inspection in City Council's office.
18:06:23 I ask that that be received and filed by motion now,
18:06:26 please.
18:06:26 >>GWEN MILLER: So moved.
18:06:27 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Second.
18:06:28 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Moved and seconded.
18:06:29 Moved by Councilwoman Miller, seconded by Councilwoman
18:06:31 Saul-Sena.
18:06:32 All in favor, signify by aye.
18:06:34 Opposes?
18:06:36 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Thank you.
18:06:36 >>THOMAS SCOTT: All right.
18:06:37 Item number 2.
18:06:38 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Move to open the public hearing.
18:06:41 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Mr. Chairman, item number 2 and item
18:06:43 number 3 are adjacent properties.
18:06:45 They are in effect almost the same staff report.

18:06:49 So you can open those two together.
18:06:51 >>GWEN MILLER: Move to open item number 3.
18:06:55 >>THOMAS SCOTT: The motion is to open items 2 and 3.
18:06:57 All in favor, aye.
18:06:58 Opposes?
18:07:01 >>ERIC COTTON: Eric Cotton, Land Development
18:07:02 Coordination.
18:07:03 The petitions before you, V09-231 and V09-232.
18:07:09 This is for a property at 6427 County Line Road.
18:07:12 It's for a Sweetbay supermarket that's currently under
18:07:15 construction.
18:07:15 The pictures basically show the shopping center that's
18:07:19 under development.
18:07:20 The first request, which is V09-231 is for 2-APS,
18:07:25 which is for beer and wine and packaged sales.
18:07:28 That's for the grocery store itself.
18:07:29 And V09-232 is the 3-PS for the adjacent liquor store.
18:07:37 Staff found both requests to be consistent.
18:07:40 They are asking the waivers, distance separation
18:07:43 waivers from residential uses and institutional uses.
18:07:46 If Council has any questions, I'll be more than happy
18:07:50 to answer them for you.

18:07:51 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Okay.
18:07:52 Any questions by Council?
18:07:54 Petitioner?
18:08:02 >> My name is Rebecca Jones with McFarland, Ferguson
18:08:06 and McMullen, 201 North Franklin Street, suite 2000,
18:08:09 Tampa, 33602.
18:08:11 I have been sworn.
18:08:12 The attorney for the petitioner.
18:08:13 It is just a general Sweetbay supermarket.
18:08:16 They are asking for the 2-APS to sell the wine and
18:08:20 beer and the 3-PS for their liquor store.
18:08:23 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you.
18:08:23 Anyone here wish to address Council on item 2 and 3?
18:08:27 Anyone wish to address Council on item 2 or 3?
18:08:32 >> Move to close.
18:08:33 >>THOMAS SCOTT: All in favor, signify by aye.
18:08:35 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Mr. Chairman, I ask they be read
18:08:37 separately and take the vote separately, please.
18:08:42 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Councilman Mulhern, read item 2.
18:08:51 >>GWEN MILLER: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
18:08:52 Ordinance approving a special use permit S-2 for
18:08:57 alcoholic beverage sales, small venue and making

18:09:01 lawful the sale of beverages regardless of alcoholic
18:09:02 content, beer, wine and liquor, 3-PS, in sealed
18:09:06 containers for consumption off premises only at or
18:09:10 from that certain lot, plot or tract of land located
18:09:13 at 6427 County Line Road, Tampa, Florida, as more
18:09:16 particularly described in section 2 hereof, approving
18:09:19 waivers as set forth herein, waiving certain
18:09:21 restrictions as to the distance based upon certain
18:09:25 findings; providing for repeal of all ordinances in
18:09:27 conflict; providing an effective date.
18:09:28 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Moved by Councilwoman Miller and
18:09:31 seconded by Councilman Miranda.
18:09:32 All in favor signify by saying aye.
18:09:33 Opposes?
18:09:35 >>The Clerk: Motion carried with Dingfelder being
18:09:37 absent.
18:09:39 Second reading and adoption will be on May 21st at
18:09:41 9:30 a.m.
18:09:42 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Move item 3, V09-231.
18:09:47 An ordinance approving a special use permit for
18:09:50 alcoholic beverage sales, large venue and making
18:09:53 lawful the sale of beverages containing alcohol by

18:09:55 more than 1% of weight and not more than 14% by weight
18:09:58 and wines regardless of alcoholic content, beer and
18:10:01 wine, 2-APS in sealed containers for consumption off
18:10:04 premises only at or from that certain lot, plot, or
18:10:07 tract of land located at 6425 County Line Road, Tampa,
18:10:11 Florida, as more particularly described in section 2
18:10:13 hereof; approving waivers as set forth herein; waiving
18:10:18 certain restrictions as to distance based upon certain
18:10:20 findings; providing for repeal of all ordinances in
18:10:23 conflict; providing an effective date.
18:10:23 >> Second.
18:10:24 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Moved and seconded by Councilwoman
18:10:28 Mulhern.
18:10:29 All in favor, aye.
18:10:29 Opposes?
18:10:29 >>The Clerk: The Motion carried with Dingfelder being
18:10:31 absent.
18:10:32 Second reading and adoption will be on May 21st at
18:10:34 9:30 a.m.
18:10:35 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Item five.
18:10:37 Cannot take 4 until after 6:30.
18:10:39 Item 5.

18:10:40 Motion to open item 5, please.
18:10:58 All in favor?
18:11:13 >>LaCHONE DOCK: LaChone Dock, Land Development
18:11:14 Coordination.
18:11:15 I have been sworn.
18:11:16 The next item on tonight's agenda is petition Z08-57.
18:11:19 It's for the property located at 506 north Armenia
18:11:23 Avenue.
18:11:23 The request is to rezone the property from RO-1,
18:11:26 residential office, to PD, planned development, to
18:11:29 construct a two-story, 5,411-square-foot structure
18:11:32 containing mixed uses, including medical,
18:11:36 business/professional office and restaurant.
18:11:39 The site contains 14,613 square feet.
18:11:42 The plan proposes 1,794 square feet of professional
18:11:46 office.
18:11:47 1,296 square feet of medical office.
18:11:50 And 1300 square feet of restaurant.
18:11:52 The proposed PD setbacks are as follows: North seven
18:11:57 feet six inches.
18:11:58 East eight feet four inches.
18:12:00 South 35 feet, and west 60 feet, eight inches.

18:12:03 The maximum building height is proposed at 35 feet.
18:12:05 A total of 21 parking spaces are required and 17
18:12:09 spaces are provided.
18:12:10 With the waiver requested for the deficient four
18:12:14 spaces.
18:12:14 I have zoning atlas showing the area.
18:12:24 This is the site located here in green.
18:12:26 Bordered with Carmen street to the north, Armenia just
18:12:31 east of the site, mostly RM-16 zoning located along
18:12:36 the west.
18:12:37 Couple of PD zonings just south of this site is a PD
18:12:40 that was recently approved for professional office
18:12:43 use.
18:12:43 And these are a couple of other PDs that were
18:12:46 approved for professional office.
18:12:48 And just to the east is the armory site, which is a PD
18:12:51 approved for mixed use.
18:12:52 And this is an aerial of the site.
18:13:04 This is the site on Armenia.
18:13:06 This is the north view of the site on Carmen.
18:13:15 West of the site on Carmen.
18:13:22 This is the view looking west on Carmen.

18:13:24 Northwest of the site.
18:13:31 North of the site.
18:13:32 East of the site.
18:13:40 This is south of the site.
18:13:42 And this is the west end of the site on Carmen.
18:13:49 The development review committee has reviewed the
18:13:55 petition and finds it inconsistent with City of Tampa
18:13:58 Land Development code.
18:14:00 However, the applicant revises the site plan with the
18:14:02 required notes and site plan revisions between first
18:14:05 and second reading, the DRC will amend its
18:14:07 determination and find the petition consistent.
18:14:10 There are two corrections that I'd like to point out
18:14:12 on the staff report, Council.
18:14:15 Under waivers, for waiver number two, it should read a
18:14:19 waiver of 36 square feet of required greenspace
18:14:23 instead of 200 square feet.
18:14:25 Also on page 6 of the staff report under number 9, to
18:14:31 promote the retention and reuse of existing building.
18:14:35 The building actually will be removed.
18:14:37 With all new construction proposed.
18:14:42 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Any questions?

18:14:43 Yes.
18:14:44 Councilwoman Saul-Sena.
18:14:45 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Thank you.
18:14:47 It says that they are asking for a waiver of about
18:14:49 five parking spaces, which is almost 20%.
18:14:52 And it seems to me that the issue really is how
18:14:58 popular the uses that go in there are.
18:15:01 They identified a restaurant and medical office and
18:15:03 something else.
18:15:04 Well, it's either the medical office or the restaurant
18:15:09 were successful.
18:15:10 I'm sure they want it to be, those tend to generate a
18:15:13 lot of need for parking.
18:15:17 And I wasn't understanding whether transportation's
18:15:24 objection remained or whether they had waived it.
18:15:27 >>LaCHONE DOCK: Yes, they would.
18:15:28 And I wanted to go over in the staff report,
18:15:30 transportation's inconsistencies also and a couple of
18:15:32 the other inconsistencies that were found.
18:15:34 Within the staff report.
18:15:36 On page 2 under landscape specialist, regarding the
18:15:43 VUA buffer along the north and the south, this is the

18:15:46 deficiency that will be at 36 square feet versus the
18:15:48 200 square feet.
18:15:49 That is the inconsistency aside from the notes to be
18:15:52 added to the site plan from the landscape specialist.
18:15:55 Transportation had the finding of inconsistent.
18:16:00 Under their first finding, they are finding it
18:16:03 inconsistent as it relates to nonresidential use
18:16:06 accessing arterial and collector streets.
18:16:09 And under the second finding, the code requires that
18:16:12 all nonresidential uses that half of the off-street
18:16:18 parking spaces are paved with asphalt or concrete
18:16:20 while the other half is paved with a durable dustless
18:16:22 surface.
18:16:23 Professional office, medical office and deli are
18:16:26 intense uses that require durable parking spaces,
18:16:29 which grass cannot provide.
18:16:30 The petitioner was proposing eight grass parking
18:16:32 spaces.
18:16:33 And as such, have requested a waiver for the eight
18:16:36 grass spaces to allow those.
18:16:38 And transportation had that finding, which would
18:16:41 remain.

18:16:42 And a waiver was requested from transportation for
18:16:48 those spaces to be added to the plan.
18:16:51 The rest of it was -- stormwater had a finding of
18:16:54 inconsistent to have notes added to the site plan, the
18:16:57 three notes listed.
18:16:59 I handed out with the information a revision sheet
18:17:02 entitled Z08-57 revision sheet and the petitioner has
18:17:09 a copy and agrees to make the requested changes.
18:17:12 That concludes staff's presentation.
18:17:15 I'm available if you have any questions.
18:17:18 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Any other questions?
18:17:19 Planning Commission?
18:17:27 >>TONY GARCIA: Good evening, Tony Garcia, Planning
18:17:30 Commission staff.
18:17:31 I have not been sworn in.
18:17:32 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Anyone else haven't been sworn?
18:17:35 (Oath administered by clerk).
18:17:47 >>TONY GARCIA: Just several other comments to add on
18:17:49 to Ms. Dock's comments to you this evening regarding
18:17:51 the site as it relates to the comprehensive plan, a
18:17:54 little bit of the bigger picture.
18:17:56 This is located south of the old historic West Tampa

18:17:59 area, south of the interstate.
18:18:00 It is adjacent to historic Ft. Homer Hesterly armory,
18:18:07 which is this piece of property, large parcel.
18:18:07 It's designated community mixed use-35.
18:18:10 Heavy commercial 24 to the north of Ft. Homer
18:18:11 Hesterly.
18:18:14 She's already described to you the zoning of RM-16.
18:18:17 There's a lot of density potential on the west side,
18:18:19 even though the existing built environment is really
18:18:22 single-family detached for this particular area.
18:18:25 The character along this particular face, the western
18:18:28 face of Armenia Avenue, which is a one-way street
18:18:31 going south to Kennedy Boulevard, is really
18:18:34 professional services.
18:18:35 There's a high degree of professional law offices in
18:18:37 the area along with other professional services in the
18:18:40 area.
18:18:40 What's unique about the proposal that's being offered
18:18:44 to you this evening by the applicant, they are
18:18:46 offering a specialty retail use which really is not
18:18:49 something that is in existence in this particular
18:18:51 area, which is a small deli.

18:18:54 The advantage for this, I think, for some of the
18:18:56 professional people that will be working in proximity
18:19:00 to this will be the ability to walk to this area and
18:19:03 patronize this particular service that will be much
18:19:06 more convenient to them.
18:19:07 You do have Vila Park, Vila Brothers Park, located to
18:19:10 the north of the site.
18:19:11 It is not on the residential street, which is Carmen
18:19:13 Street, directly interface another residential use to
18:19:17 the north of the site.
18:19:19 You do have a commercial use to the south.
18:19:21 I actually believe that the design that's being done
18:19:25 for this particular site was actually done by the
18:19:27 architect that did this particular project, will be
18:19:32 doing this project.
18:19:33 He's sensitive to the scale and massing of the
18:19:36 existing building on this particular segment of
18:19:39 Armenia Avenue.
18:19:40 Planning Commission staff, based on the -- presented
18:19:45 to this particular segment of Armenia Avenue, in
18:19:48 offering a neighborhood serving commercial use,
18:19:50 benefit the professional services in the area, finds

18:19:52 the proposed request consistent with the comprehensive
18:19:54 plan.
18:19:55 We are aware of the lack of the functionality as far
18:20:00 as some of the spaces, but we believe the intrinsic
18:20:03 value offered by having sidewalk connectivity on
18:20:06 Carmen street and also along this particular segment
18:20:10 of Armenia will benefit the area.
18:20:13 Nice to see more sidewalks in the area, but we know
18:20:15 what you'd like and what is reality are two different
18:20:17 things.
18:20:18 It's something that I know that a lot of our stable
18:20:21 neighborhoods are lacking is that pedestrian
18:20:22 connectivity.
18:20:23 Thank you.
18:20:26 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Any questions?
18:20:28 Petitioner?
18:20:28 You have 15 minutes to make your presentation.
18:20:39 However, you don't have to use all 15 minutes.
18:20:43 >> I certainly hope not.
18:20:53 >> Good evening.
18:20:53 My name is Rick Hampton, Design Collaborative.
18:20:57 I'm an architect.

18:20:59 306 East Oak Avenue, Tampa, Florida, 33602.
18:21:03 I have been sworn in.
18:21:04 You have the package in front of you, and I believe
18:21:08 you've had an opportunity to review the project.
18:21:11 I wanted to give you a little bit of background on the
18:21:15 project itself.
18:21:15 The family that is developing this site currently owns
18:21:20 it and has their law firm there.
18:21:23 This is a little unique in that it's a mixed use.
18:21:27 And that is unusual.
18:21:29 The item that generated that mixed use is the owner's
18:21:34 children.
18:21:35 The uses in the project are going to be the owner's
18:21:39 law office, a daughter's dental office.
18:21:42 When they say I have to use medical office because
18:21:45 that's the zoning issue at hand, but it's a dental
18:21:48 office is what it will be.
18:21:49 A psychologist office is the second daughter and a
18:21:54 deli, which is run by the son.
18:21:59 The deli is PRIMO's which is down at city center.
18:22:03 Most of us have probably eaten there, so you know the
18:22:06 character, style and it's just a small deli.

18:22:09 So all of the tenants are family members.
18:22:12 Both the owner and her husband grew up in West Tampa.
18:22:18 We have folks here from the neighborhood who if you
18:22:24 care have speak can also give their opinions of the
18:22:27 project in support.
18:22:30 I think there's eight people.
18:22:32 If you want to do the stand-up routine, we can do that
18:22:35 as well to keep the night short.
18:22:36 This came from the family-based office complex.
18:22:43 That's where it started.
18:22:45 One of the things in the report that I just want to
18:22:48 make mention of, it mentions a couple of times the
18:22:52 prior design.
18:22:53 There was no buffering.
18:22:54 The prior design.
18:22:57 There was another design team that originally started
18:22:59 the project.
18:23:00 They got so far as meeting with DRC one time and then
18:23:04 for a variety of reasons, the owner selected to change
18:23:07 design teams.
18:23:08 That initial design stood zero chance of making it
18:23:11 past you guys, honestly, which is why there is a

18:23:14 second design team.
18:23:15 So while they are referencing between the two
18:23:18 projects, there's not a lot of synergy back and forth
18:23:23 between them.
18:23:23 As Ms. Dock has already stated, the list of revisions
18:23:30 that are on here, we already have agreed to.
18:23:34 There are a couple of items that I wanted to address.
18:23:37 The green she took up at 36 feet.
18:23:40 She got that.
18:23:41 Transportation has a comment here saying that the wall
18:23:44 measures 2.4 feet, not 2.6 feet.
18:23:47 Ms. Calloway made an error in her measuring.
18:23:51 She tried to scale a detail at one inch equals
18:23:55 20 feet.
18:23:56 You can't do that.
18:23:57 It is a 30-inch wall which meets the West Tampa
18:24:01 overlay standards.
18:24:02 So that will go away on second reading.
18:24:04 It was just a misunderstanding.
18:24:08 With regards to the eight spaces, I'm going to take
18:24:12 just a couple of minutes, the eight grass spaces and
18:24:15 talk about that.

18:24:16 That's obviously going to be a concern.
18:24:17 I'm fighting two fronts.
18:24:20 Transportation hates it because it's grass.
18:24:22 We're actually not going to use grass and I'll get to
18:24:25 that.
18:24:25 Landscape loves it because it's green.
18:24:28 Here's the deal.
18:24:30 There is no reason for me to make eight spaces green.
18:24:33 I am simply doing it to make the project more
18:24:35 attractive.
18:24:36 There is no zoning reason.
18:24:38 I can't count it as greenspace, so I'm not trying to
18:24:41 squeeze in something green for that reason.
18:24:43 It simply will make the project more attractive.
18:24:48 What I have brought today, and you guys have probably
18:24:51 all seen this, this is a product called Grasspave2.
18:24:56 It's made by Invisible Structures.
18:24:57 This is a substrate that goes under your vegetation on
18:25:01 top of the base, and the car travels on this, and the
18:25:05 plants grow below it.
18:25:07 I've used this before in things such as fire lanes,
18:25:11 condo parking, things of that nature.

18:25:13 I will grant you, it is not designed for general
18:25:17 parking.
18:25:18 What we've done is I talked with Mary Bryson, and we
18:25:23 talked with IFAS, the University of Florida extension,
18:25:28 about another vegetation called perennial peanut.
18:25:32 It is a fluffy, Ivy looking stuff.
18:25:35 Available in turf.
18:25:36 It's not seed based.
18:25:38 It's legume based.
18:25:40 It's not really peanuts.
18:25:43 It's just what they call it.
18:25:44 It's mowable.
18:25:44 I talked to a grower.
18:25:46 He said the stuff wears like iron.
18:25:48 I'd like to try it.
18:25:50 If we can find something that we can use in parking
18:25:52 areas that doesn't get destroyed, I think it's a great
18:25:55 thing.
18:25:55 No one has ever used that I can find, used this
18:25:58 product.
18:25:59 The people who sell this want me to let them know how
18:26:02 it goes tonight.

18:26:05 Ms. Bryson is loving the idea.
18:26:09 Transportation not so much.
18:26:10 They like concrete.
18:26:12 So I'd love to try it.
18:26:14 If you guys say no, okay, fine.
18:26:17 It's rock.
18:26:18 I'm not going to pave it because I can get the runoff
18:26:21 and get better runoff because we'll be sheet running
18:26:24 towards that area before it gets to the pond.
18:26:26 I'll make it river rock and all my waivers will go
18:26:29 away because now I'm meeting City Code.
18:26:31 With regards to that one issue, that's why I'm doing
18:26:34 it.
18:26:34 We're just trying to try something new.
18:26:37 If it doesn't work in a year, we'll pretty much know
18:26:39 it, and you just pull the green out and put rock in
18:26:43 and you're done.
18:26:44 There is a comment that has disappeared that I talked
18:26:49 to Mr. Stair about.
18:26:53 The four trees west of the property facing Armenia are
18:26:58 labeled as two-inch trees.
18:27:00 Originally, the West Tampa overlay district requires

18:27:04 that to be four-inch trees.
18:27:06 The comment went away based on a conversation I had
18:27:09 with him, but that was before tonight.
18:27:12 So the drawing shows two inch.
18:27:14 I just wanted to let you know that we're transforming
18:27:17 them into four-inch trees so that we meet code, number
18:27:20 one, and number two, it also will change my tree
18:27:23 chart.
18:27:24 We're deficiency by five points currently.
18:27:27 That will make us deficiency by one point, which will
18:27:29 make Mary Bryson happier and also Wilson Stair
18:27:33 happier.
18:27:34 Let's see.
18:27:36 Was there anything else that I needed?
18:27:39 I think that about covers the basics.
18:27:41 The parking issue, Mr. Garcia, I believe, covered that
18:27:46 a little bit.
18:27:46 The intent is that this is a neighborhood facility
18:27:50 from the dental office to the deli.
18:27:53 We expect walk-up traffic.
18:27:55 Obviously, we're putting in all the appropriate
18:27:58 sidewalks.

18:27:59 There are also three parking spaces on the street on
18:28:03 Armenia.
18:28:04 While we're deficiency by four, there are three more
18:28:07 immediately adjacent to our property.
18:28:09 So that was our reasoning.
18:28:11 And that will conclude my presentation.
18:28:13 Would you like the rest of the public --
18:28:17 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Not yet.
18:28:21 >> That concludes my presentation then.
18:28:22 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Councilwoman Saul-Sena.
18:28:25 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Thank you.
18:28:26 I appreciate your experimenting with this new product.
18:28:29 And I very much appreciate it if you would give us
18:28:32 some feedback after six, eight months and let us know
18:28:35 if it's going well.
18:28:36 We're trying to change our codes to be more green and
18:28:39 more permeable.
18:28:40 If this is a good thing, we can encourage other folks
18:28:44 to use it.
18:28:45 Thanks for being creative.
18:28:46 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Councilman Caetano.
18:28:50 >>JOSEPH CAETANO: Cement block about 12, 14 inches

18:28:53 where the grass grows in the middle, what do they call
18:28:55 that?
18:28:56 >> Turf block.
18:28:58 They are hideous and don't work.
18:28:59 Nothing ever grows.
18:29:00 They get completely compacted.
18:29:03 The car drives on the grass or vegetation.
18:29:05 It doesn't have to be grass.
18:29:07 Everybody uses grass.
18:29:08 The tire literally sits on top of it and crushes it.
18:29:12 The dirt that is in the decorative paver gets
18:29:17 compacted to the point at which it doesn't even
18:29:19 permeate.
18:29:19 There are discussions right now in S.W.F.W.M.D. about
18:29:22 taking away some of the permeability of the product
18:29:24 because over time it really doesn't work.
18:29:27 I would challenge you to find a good turf block
18:29:30 installation.
18:29:31 It's just not a product that works very well,
18:29:34 unfortunately.
18:29:35 >>JOSEPH CAETANO: The one you're demonstrating here,
18:29:37 the tires will not affect that --

18:29:40 >> No, sir.
18:29:40 This is traffic rated.
18:29:41 So the traffic, again, it rides up here, and you have
18:29:46 an inch of crush step, that maybe the flowering part,
18:29:52 the leafy part might get crushed or bent, but you are
18:29:56 not disturbing the root.
18:29:57 And as you know, it's all about the roots.
18:29:59 And water and permeability, because this rides on top
18:30:02 of a subbase, water goes right there.
18:30:05 This product does qualify for LEED points.
18:30:10 I was reading on their Web site, they give you storage
18:30:13 for stormwater on that.
18:30:14 It's called Grasspave2.
18:30:20 It's made by Invisible Structures.
18:30:23 Invisiblestructures.com.
18:30:27 >> Is it plastic?
18:30:29 >> Yes, ma'am.
18:30:30 Would you care to play with it?
18:30:33 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: My next-door neighbor has put in
18:30:35 that peanut clover about a year or two ago.
18:30:38 My wife and I have been watching it.
18:30:41 It's really good.

18:30:42 It got a little burned in the winter, but maybe
18:30:45 everything does.
18:30:47 But it's really doing well.
18:30:48 I think we're going to try and put it in, too.
18:30:51 >> It is a subtropical plant.
18:30:53 You can't go north of the Florida/Georgia border.
18:30:56 It won't survive the cold at that point.
18:30:59 Yes, it might pull back a little in the winter.
18:31:02 I'm an architect, remember.
18:31:04 I'm not a green specialist.
18:31:06 I'm just learning.
18:31:08 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Any other questions?
18:31:09 Ms. Calloway?
18:31:16 >> Oh, she's here.
18:31:17 I'm so sorry.
18:31:18 >> Melanie Calloway, transportation.
18:31:20 I just wanted you to know about the things that we do
18:31:24 approve and the things that we are open to in
18:31:27 transportation.
18:31:27 The code requires that half of your parking spaces be
18:31:29 paved.
18:31:30 The other half about a dustless and durable surface.

18:31:34 At this point we allow turf block and river rock, but
18:31:38 we are open to things every day as well as on Tuesday,
18:31:40 we had looked into a material called eco-pave.
18:31:47 This material, this ecostone is what they used.
18:31:52 It's graded for vehicles and it is a permeable
18:31:57 surface.
18:31:58 We try to keep it open.
18:31:59 We don't specify exactly in the code what we have
18:32:02 because things are new every day.
18:32:04 We feel like in an office use or a deli use, it will
18:32:07 have a lot of traffic.
18:32:08 What will happen is, the material may not be able to
18:32:11 grow in that type of environment.
18:32:14 For churches, though, because it's a minimal amount of
18:32:17 time which the cars are parked there, maybe a Sunday
18:32:20 or Wednesday, grass does grow.
18:32:22 But in an office environment where five days a week or
18:32:26 more, cars are parked there because it does not get
18:32:29 sunlight and the weight of the vehicle, not all the
18:32:31 vegetation can grow within it.
18:32:33 It's just not a normal material that we do approve,
18:32:37 but we would be open to a lot of different things.

18:32:39 I just wanted you to realize that we are open to
18:32:42 different types of materials.
18:32:43 We just have to be able to be the type of use and how
18:32:47 many times the vehicles will be there.
18:32:55 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you very much.
18:32:56 Anyone here in opposition to this rezoning?
18:33:04 Anyone here in opposition?
18:33:06 Okay.
18:33:07 Come on up, ma'am.
18:33:08 Only one?
18:33:10 One person?
18:33:12 Anyone else in opposition?
18:33:14 Okay.
18:33:16 Come on up.
18:33:17 State your name and address for the record, and you
18:33:18 have thee minutes.
18:33:20 >> Norma Cabrera.
18:33:21 I live at 2408 west Carmen street, directly behind
18:33:24 where this office is going up.
18:33:27 The reason why I'm against it is because I'm the one
18:33:30 that will be most affected.
18:33:32 As they say, they are a West Tampa family.

18:33:35 I own that neighborhood.
18:33:36 I've lived there for 55 years.
18:33:39 I was born and raised in that house, and I'm worried
18:33:41 about the traffic.
18:33:44 The side property that they are talking about, the
18:33:47 grass they want to pave, that runs right into my
18:33:49 property.
18:33:50 It's going to make a change in the look of my
18:33:52 property.
18:33:53 I'm concerned about the traffic on Carmen street, the
18:33:58 cars coming in and out.
18:33:59 I don't want all those cars.
18:34:01 I'm not against the building up there, it's just too
18:34:05 much for that small area.
18:34:07 And I know it's going to affect the people that live
18:34:09 on Carmen street.
18:34:11 A lot of the people didn't come.
18:34:12 They are elderly people that live in the neighborhood,
18:34:15 the same people that have always lived there.
18:34:17 I think it will affect us -- the deli.
18:34:22 I'm against the deli.
18:34:24 Where is that dumpster going to go?

18:34:26 Where is it going to end up?
18:34:28 Right by my property.
18:34:30 The trash thrown out now by the offices, they don't
18:34:33 even use garbage cans.
18:34:36 I pick up their garbage when the wind comes.
18:34:39 They don't even have correct -- there's a wooden fence
18:34:42 that's falling apart that divides my property from
18:34:46 theirs.
18:34:46 If this were to go up, what kind of structure are they
18:34:50 going to put to separate me from them so I won't have
18:34:53 to see this?
18:34:53 I'm not against the office.
18:34:57 They've had the law firm there for a long time, but
18:35:00 like I said, their garbage, they are an office.
18:35:03 They should have at least a small dumpster.
18:35:06 They put the bags, the cats come and rip them, I'm
18:35:08 picking up papers from their office in my yard.
18:35:12 These are things that weren't even mentioned what they
18:35:14 were going to do.
18:35:15 They haven't even thought of the neighbors that live
18:35:19 around there, how we're going to be affected by that
18:35:22 traffic.

18:35:23 I just wanted to voice my opinion, because I am a West
18:35:28 Tampa resident and my parents, my whole family for
18:35:32 like five generations back.
18:35:36 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Question by Councilwoman Saul-Sena.
18:35:38 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Ma'am, have you had a chance to
18:35:42 look at what they are proposing?
18:35:43 The plan shows the location of the dumpster and it
18:35:46 shows a six-foot concrete wall between your
18:35:49 properties.
18:35:51 And then 20 feet of greenspace.
18:35:53 I mean, have they shown --
18:35:57 >> Nothing, nothing.
18:35:57 I got the letter.
18:35:59 She about two years ago said she was planning on
18:36:01 building, but that was it.
18:36:03 I haven't seen anything.
18:36:04 I just got the letter from you-all.
18:36:06 That's how come I knew this was happening.
18:36:14 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Okay.
18:36:14 Thank you, ma'am.
18:36:15 Maybe at some point they can meet with her and show
18:36:22 her.

18:36:29 >>JOSEPH CAETANO: Mr. Chairman, can I ask you a
18:36:30 question?
18:36:31 Is the petitioner supposed to notify the people?
18:36:37 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Yeah.
18:36:38 He met the requirement.
18:36:42 Those in support of the petition, you may come and
18:36:46 address Council, if you so desire tonight or you may
18:36:50 select a spokesman.
18:36:51 How many tonight in favor of the project?
18:36:54 I think about eight.
18:36:55 Do you have a spokesperson?
18:36:57 Do you want to speak in support.
18:37:00 You can speak or you can select --
18:37:05 >> I guess I was selected.
18:37:07 My name is Maggie Dominguez.
18:37:09 I live at 7201 Hodgewood street.
18:37:13 I own several pieces of property in West Tampa.
18:37:16 I know the family, and I think that they will do
18:37:20 nothing but enhance the area and Armenia.
18:37:26 I understand the concern of the neighbor, but I think
18:37:28 there are things that can be worked out.
18:37:30 They have also done a lot of work in order to make

18:37:34 sure they don't impact the property in any way that is
18:37:36 not improper, and the deli, it may be very beneficial
18:37:42 to all the businesses around there.
18:37:44 What they are talking about with respect to a dentist
18:37:47 office is one dentist.
18:37:49 It's not something that will necessarily require, you
18:37:55 know, hundreds of cars coming in and out.
18:37:57 And the deli may generate some traffic, but none that
18:38:02 it be so much.
18:38:03 The majority of it will be walking.
18:38:05 People walking to it in the neighborhood.
18:38:07 So we all feel that it will enhance the area that is
18:38:11 within the planning of the City of Tampa and that it
18:38:15 would be a benefit to the neighborhood.
18:38:18 Thank you.
18:38:18 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Anyone else?
18:38:33 >> Hi.
18:38:34 My name is Reynee Dominguez.
18:38:39 7201 Hodgewood Court.
18:38:41 I do support the project.
18:38:42 I look at it, it's almost like a throwback to the old
18:38:45 days when you could walk over to see your lawyer and

18:38:50 perhaps have a sandwich, have your teeth cleaned and
18:38:55 then you walk back home.
18:38:56 It doesn't get much better than that.
18:38:59 Should be looking at projects like that for the
18:39:04 benefit it brings for minimizing cars and utilization
18:39:07 of energy and so forth.
18:39:09 So I am in favor of it, and I think it will be a
18:39:13 tremendous enhancement to the community.
18:39:14 Thank you.
18:39:14 >> Hello. My name is Alexis Dominguez.
18:39:31 I am at 2807 Robert Lake Place, Tampa, Florida, 33614.
18:39:36 I have been sworn in.
18:39:38 I want to mention a couple of points.
18:39:40 One thing is that the majority of the traffic that
18:39:43 will be coming in and out is daytime traffic between
18:39:46 the deli, dental office and the psychologist's office.
18:39:49 I know that traffic was a big point but the traffic
18:39:52 going down Armenia at that point of the day, which is
18:39:55 the main road that will be used is busy during those
18:39:59 hours anyways.
18:40:02 I have not mentioned tonight but I know a previous
18:40:05 complaint was from the neighbors' lights in their

18:40:07 windows in and out.
18:40:09 But again, the traffic and the parking that's going to
18:40:13 be there is going to be from typical working hours of
18:40:17 9 to 5.
18:40:18 So that's it.
18:40:18 Thank you.
18:40:21 >> I have a question.
18:40:21 Are you part of the family that is -- are you related
18:40:24 to the family?
18:40:25 >> Yes.
18:40:27 >>MARY MULHERN: Are you one of the businesses that's
18:40:29 going to be using this?
18:40:30 >> Yes.
18:40:31 >>MARY MULHERN: Were the two before you also?
18:40:34 >> No.
18:40:36 >>MARY MULHERN: But are they related to you?
18:40:38 >> They are my in-laws.
18:40:39 We're very close.
18:40:42 I'm the dentist.
18:40:49 >> You can tell by the teeth.
18:40:50 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Yeah, smiling, too.
18:40:52 The big smile.

18:40:53 That explains it now.
18:40:57 >> I'm a product of my work.
18:41:00 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Councilwoman Saul-Sena.
18:41:01 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Thank you.
18:41:02 I was just trying to do the math.
18:41:03 I think this is a very attractive building.
18:41:06 I think it's a very innovative concept.
18:41:08 My concern is the parking.
18:41:09 So I was trying to figure out, if you're a dentist,
18:41:12 you probably have an assistant or receptionist or
18:41:15 somebody like that.
18:41:16 >> Correct.
18:41:16 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: How many staff people do you have?
18:41:19 >> You typically have a receptionist, assistant and
18:41:22 hygienist.
18:41:23 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Okay.
18:41:24 Four for the dentist.
18:41:25 Maybe four for the psychologist or three?
18:41:29 >> I believe she's opening a single office, although
18:41:33 she would probably like to see four at one time, it
18:41:35 would probably be more like two if I had to guess.
18:41:38 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: We're up to six staff.

18:41:40 And then for the restaurant, I would assume a couple
18:41:44 of people in the kitchen, somebody serving and
18:41:47 somebody at the register, so maybe five.
18:41:50 So we have almost ten people with just the staffs, not
18:41:54 counting the customers.
18:41:55 I'm just very concerned that you're going to really
18:41:58 need like 35 parking spaces.
18:42:01 Frankly, I go to primo's and the food is great.
18:42:05 I think you'll be really popular.
18:42:06 I'm concerned that people in addition to walking are
18:42:09 also going to drive.
18:42:10 And I believe the total number of parking spaces was
18:42:14 17.
18:42:15 If you use 10 of the spaces just for staff, then, you
18:42:19 know, if you have two clients and the psychologist has
18:42:22 a client and the restaurant has 10 people coming to
18:42:27 lunch, you already have an overflow.
18:42:29 I'm concerned.
18:42:32 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Okay.
18:42:33 >> Thank you.
18:42:38 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Petitioner?
18:42:38 You have five minutes for rebuttal.

18:42:42 Let me just -- let me just suggest that the lady that
18:42:48 came forth in opposition may want to confer with her
18:42:51 and talk with her and let her review your plans and
18:42:55 address her concerns that she raised.
18:42:58 I would suspect that the concrete wall would eliminate
18:43:05 the trash, if there is trash now.
18:43:07 I don't think trash travel through concrete walls, but
18:43:12 hopefully that can be addressed and you can talk with
18:43:15 the neighbor with regard to that.
18:43:18 >> Absolutely.
18:43:19 The first thing we will do is meet with her and go
18:43:24 through in detail the plans.
18:43:26 With regards to the issue she raised, yes, there will
18:43:29 be a six-foot masonry wall between our property and
18:43:32 hers.
18:43:33 The garbage is indicated on the plan.
18:43:37 It's in a six-foot masonry wall, city-approved,
18:43:41 standard.
18:43:41 It is away from her property.
18:43:43 It is accessed from the alley.
18:43:45 So there should not be any trash issues at that level.
18:43:50 And the flow that she was concerned about, the way the

18:43:55 parking lot is designed, the majority of the
18:43:59 traffic -- well, all of the traffic is coming in from
18:44:02 the alley, parking either left or right, depending
18:44:06 whether they are going to the office to our south or
18:44:08 our property, it can then flow up into the rear lot,
18:44:14 but the exit onto Carmen is one way only, exit only,
18:44:20 right turn only.
18:44:23 There is one piece of residential property across the
18:44:25 street from that.
18:44:27 My client spoke with the gentleman who lives there,
18:44:30 and he is in support of the project, and his is the
18:44:33 property that that exit would affect.
18:44:36 The next two spaces to the west are the Vila Brothers
18:44:38 Park, which is a public park.
18:44:42 I think it's completely fenced along that side anyway,
18:44:46 so there is no foot traffic in and out.
18:44:48 The client's daughter brought up the lights issue.
18:44:54 I think that's already addressed in our comments, both
18:44:58 from city standard point of view and also I think they
18:45:02 had me put some language in there that Council likes
18:45:06 to see about no lights will shine on residential
18:45:08 property and so forth.

18:45:09 Lighting will not be an issue.
18:45:11 Obviously, the parking lot, there is a buffer area,
18:45:15 which is required by code.
18:45:17 We have met the requirements with regards to the
18:45:20 neighbor to the west.
18:45:21 That is also the retaining pond.
18:45:23 Then the grass parking that we're talking about.
18:45:26 The drive area, and then the building.
18:45:28 We've located the building as far from her property as
18:45:32 practically possible on the site.
18:45:35 So we have taken her residential issues into account,
18:45:39 although we will absolutely talk with her because
18:45:44 clearly she has issues with the project, so we'll try
18:45:47 to get them straightened out.
18:45:49 With regards to parking, Ms. Saul-Sena, I understand
18:45:52 your concern, and if they are wildly popular from your
18:45:58 lips to God's ears, we have provided as much parking
18:46:01 as we can, and a it's just our feeling as was staff's
18:46:06 that the pedestrian nature of the site is going to
18:46:12 help us somewhat.
18:46:13 The on-street parking that is already available is
18:46:16 going to help us as well.

18:46:20 So that was our reasoning behind why we thought this
18:46:23 was a viable use, albeit, there's a lot going on, but
18:46:28 they are all small.
18:46:29 Realize, this is really not a big building.
18:46:31 This is a very small building.
18:46:33 So that was our reasoning.
18:46:36 Thank you, commissioners.
18:46:40 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Let me just point out to Council,
18:46:42 though.
18:46:43 What's required and I stand to be corrected.
18:46:45 21 parking spaces what is required, not 35.
18:46:49 Is that right?
18:46:50 Melanie, do you want to come to the mike?
18:46:53 Get that on the record.
18:46:56 That's what the backup material says anyway.
18:46:59 What's required is 21.
18:47:01 >> Melanie Calloway, transportation.
18:47:03 21 spaces are required.
18:47:05 They are providing 17.
18:47:06 And there is -- we restriped Armenia a couple of years
18:47:11 ago to provide the on-street parking, and there are
18:47:14 actually three spaces right outside his property and

18:47:17 across the street where that PD was approved, where
18:47:19 the mixed use was, actually almost all away along the
18:47:23 armory is open spaces also.
18:47:25 There are some down the street on each block little
18:47:30 places.
18:47:31 Even though it's not counted toward their required,
18:47:34 it's still available in the area.
18:47:36 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Councilman Dingfelder and Councilwoman
18:47:38 Saul-Sena.
18:47:39 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Thank you.
18:47:40 The current zoning is RO-1.
18:47:50 And they want a PD.
18:47:51 The existing zoning already have a site plan?
18:47:57 Is it site plan controlled from some prior
18:47:59 application?
18:48:00 >>LaCHONE DOCK: Yes, the RO-1 under current code is
18:48:03 the site plan, controlled district.
18:48:05 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Did that show parking spaces on the
18:48:09 RO-1, the existing one?
18:48:11 >>LaCHONE DOCK: I didn't pull the old RO-1 that would
18:48:14 have been approved under the site, but it would have
18:48:17 been shown on the site plan.

18:48:18 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Do we have any --
18:48:20 >>LaCHONE DOCK: I don't have a copy of it with me now.
18:48:22 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: We don't have any recollection of
18:48:24 how many spaces were previously approved or anything
18:48:26 like that.
18:48:27 >>LaCHONE DOCK: I don't.
18:48:29 The owner may know.
18:48:30 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I'm looking at the aerial.
18:48:32 It never got built?
18:48:34 Is that it?
18:48:35 Or was it built?
18:48:36 >>LaCHONE DOCK: It was built.
18:48:37 I had a picture of the site.
18:48:38 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Okay.
18:48:39 I missed that.
18:48:40 Okay.
18:48:44 The RO-1 took up all three lots.
18:48:47 >>LaCHONE DOCK: Yes.
18:48:49 I can show the picture if you'd like.
18:48:52 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: That's all right.
18:48:53 Thank you.
18:48:53 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Councilwoman Saul-Sena.

18:48:55 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I had a quick question.
18:48:57 We're going to try this experimental -- the petitioner
18:49:00 is going to try this experimental paving material,
18:49:03 which I think will be great and I have very high
18:49:06 hopes.
18:49:06 But if in a year it's turned to mush, are they
18:49:09 committed to replacing it with something that just
18:49:12 won't be dust?
18:49:14 >>LaCHONE DOCK: I'm not certain if that could be added
18:49:17 as a note on the site plan.
18:49:19 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: If after a year this didn't prove
18:49:23 to be a stable material, that it would be replaced
18:49:26 with something that's approved by staff or something.
18:49:30 Just because if it was a mess, it would negatively
18:49:34 impact the neighborhood.
18:49:36 >>LaCHONE DOCK: Absolutely.
18:49:37 >>THOMAS SCOTT: If we can have legal address that
18:49:39 question, please.
18:49:41 >> Yes, legally you could have something on there.
18:49:43 It's just a matter of enforcement, making sure that
18:49:46 staff is able to track in a year to go out and verify
18:49:49 that.

18:49:49 And I would recommend that they get the language
18:49:51 solidified tonight so it's red into the record.
18:49:54 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Excuse me.
18:49:56 I don't think you were sworn.
18:50:03 >>GWEN MILLER: Move to close the public hearing.
18:50:05 >>THOMAS SCOTT: It's been moved and seconded.
18:50:07 All in favor, signify by saying aye.
18:50:14 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Let me tell you why I think that it
18:50:16 will be good for the neighborhood.
18:50:17 First of all, the neighbor in the back, and she spoke
18:50:20 very eloquently of her part and what she needs about
18:50:23 the trash.
18:50:23 That's going to end.
18:50:24 The dilapidated fence is going to end.
18:50:28 Ingress, egress out of the property is right turn into
18:50:31 Armenia, and that neighborhood, we have a constant
18:50:35 use, sometimes, of people that have semi tractors that
18:50:39 they take their trailers or their tractors and leave
18:50:42 them there.
18:50:43 And it's been a hindrance.
18:50:45 I know because we handle some of them complaints
18:50:49 constantly in our office.

18:50:50 Then we have some of these hauling operations that
18:50:53 leave their, "Call me and I'll haul your trash out."
18:50:59 The homeowners are very diligent, very hardworking
18:51:01 people.
18:51:02 And I think that some of these things happen because
18:51:06 somebody thinks blight is coming.
18:51:10 Well, blight is not coming.
18:51:12 Prosperity is coming.
18:51:13 When you look at the parking ratio.
18:51:15 If you count the three up front or possibly four, it
18:51:17 meets the ratio, even though that cannot be counted
18:51:21 in.
18:51:22 The new turf, whatever it was called, it looked like
18:51:28 the final Olympic circle rings with a lot more added
18:51:33 to it, may or may not work, but I'm sure the
18:51:35 petitioner would agree between first and second
18:51:39 reading to add it on in case it doesn't work, that
18:51:42 there would be some other type, either the certain
18:51:45 items that Mr. Caetano was speaking about or the rock.
18:51:49 Pervious rock.
18:51:52 So I think it would be an enhancement to the
18:51:56 neighborhood.

18:51:56 I think that all these families that spoke spoke very
18:52:02 sincerely.
18:52:03 That's why I'll vote to approve it.
18:52:05 I'll read it if no one else cares to speak at this
18:52:09 time.
18:52:09 Mr. Chairman, this is item -- thank you, sir.
18:52:17 >>LaCHONE DOCK: I spoke with legal and we drafted a
18:52:19 note that we would like to have added to the site plan
18:52:21 between first and second reading.
18:52:23 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Okay.
18:52:24 And you want me to make note of Z08-57 revisions
18:52:29 sheet, that 200 feet became, what, 36.
18:52:32 >>LaCHONE DOCK: Yes, sir.
18:52:33 Yes, please.
18:52:34 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
18:52:36 I move an ordinance with certain revisions to the
18:52:39 sheet known as Z08-57 revisions with one change within
18:52:44 the sheet itself, where it says on the third dot on
18:52:48 landscape specialist, 200 be 36 square footage.
18:52:52 All the others are just like they were presented.
18:52:55 Am I correct?
18:52:56 >>LaCHONE DOCK: Yes.

18:52:57 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Chairman, I move an ordinance
18:52:59 rezoning property in the general vicinity of 506 north
18:53:02 Armenia Avenue in the City of Tampa, Florida,
18:53:04 describing section 1 from zoning districts
18:53:06 classification RO-1 residential office,
18:53:10 business/professional PD planned development office
18:53:12 medical business professional restaurant providing an
18:53:14 effective date.
18:53:16 >> Second.
18:53:17 >>THOMAS SCOTT: And a note -- add the language --
18:53:21 >>LaCHONE DOCK: Yes.
18:53:22 Within one year of installation, if the grass paver 2
18:53:26 is not dustless and durable, then the petitioner is
18:53:29 required to replace with a material approved by
18:53:31 transportation.
18:53:34 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Mr. Chairman --
18:53:35 >>THOMAS SCOTT: We need him to come to the mike to
18:53:37 agree to that, please, on the record.
18:53:39 >> Rick Hampton, Design Collaborative, I accept the
18:53:42 terms.
18:53:43 They are fine.
18:53:43 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Okay.

18:53:44 It's been moved and seconded.
18:53:48 Seconded by Councilman Caetano.
18:53:51 All in favor, signify by aye.
18:53:53 Opposes?
18:53:54 >>The Clerk: The motion carried unanimously.
18:53:56 Second reading and adoption will be on May the 21st
18:53:58 at 9:30 a.m.
18:54:00 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Item 4.
18:54:02 We can go back now to item 4.
18:54:16 >>ERIC COTTON: Eric Cotton, Land Development
18:54:17 Coordination.
18:54:18 This is V09-243.
18:54:21 This is a request for a 2-APS at 3815 South Manhattan
18:54:25 Avenue.
18:54:25 It's an existing Farm Store.
18:54:28 This is the aerial map.
18:54:31 The Jan Platt Library is across the street from this.
18:54:34 Like I said, existing Farm Store.
18:54:38 The property is zoned CG.
18:54:40 There was previously -- previously had 1-APS on it and
18:54:43 it went dry back in December 2008.
18:54:49 Just asking to renew the alcoholic beverage.

18:54:53 This time they are asking for 2-APS which is beer and
18:54:56 wine and package sale.
18:54:58 If you have any questions, more than happy to answer
18:55:01 them.
18:55:01 Thank you.
18:55:01 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Any questions?
18:55:05 >>ERIC COTTON: Since Miller is not here tonight, TPD
18:55:09 has no objections.
18:55:14 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Petitioner?
18:55:15 Petitioner?
18:55:28 >> I work for the Farm Stores.
18:55:30 >>THOMAS SCOTT: State your name.
18:55:32 >> Julio Napalis.
18:55:35 I'm an employee of Farm Stores Corporation.
18:55:39 The reason I'm here, unfortunately -- we extended our
18:55:49 license to December 27.
18:55:51 We sublet the store and the parties went before
18:55:54 December 27 to renew the alcohol license.
18:55:56 They just didn't know they had to go to zoning first.
18:56:00 And now we're going through this big expense and -- we
18:56:05 sell mainly milk and ice cream anyways.
18:56:09 Obviously cigarettes and beers enhances the sales,

18:56:13 especially in this economy.
18:56:14 So they applied on December 22 or 21st.
18:56:19 They didn't realize they had to go to zoning.
18:56:21 We didn't renew the thing thinking that they --
18:56:23 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Okay.
18:56:24 We got it.
18:56:25 We got it.
18:56:28 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Most importantly, what's the flavor
18:56:31 of the week?
18:56:32 >> I think it's cherry vanilla.
18:56:35 >>THOMAS SCOTT: I love cherry vanilla.
18:56:37 I just don't eat it.
18:56:38 Lost all this weight.
18:56:39 Thank you, sir.
18:56:41 Anyone here in opposition to the petition?
18:56:45 >> Move to close.
18:56:46 >>THOMAS SCOTT: All in favor, signify by saying aye.
18:56:50 Councilman Dingfelder.
18:56:51 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
18:56:52 As a longtime patron of Farm Stores, glad to read this
18:56:57 ordinance.
18:56:57 Ordinance approving a special use permit S-2 for

18:57:01 alcoholic beverage sales small venue and making lawful
18:57:03 the sale of beverages containing alcohol of more than
18:57:06 1% by weight and not more than 14% by weight and wines
18:57:09 regardless of alcoholic content, beer and wine, 2-APS,
18:57:12 in sealed containers for consumption off premises only
18:57:15 at or from that certain lot, plot or tract of land
18:57:18 located at 3815 South Manhattan Avenue, Tampa,
18:57:21 Florida, as more particularly described in section 2
18:57:23 hereof, approving waivers as set forth herein, waiving
18:57:27 certain restrictions as to distance based upon certain
18:57:30 findings; providing for repeal of ordinances in
18:57:32 conflict; providing an effective date.
18:57:33 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Moved and seconded.
18:57:34 Seconded by Councilman Miranda.
18:57:37 All in favor, aye.
18:57:38 >>The Clerk: Motion carried unanimously.
18:57:39 Second reading and adoption on May 21st at 9:30 a.m.
18:57:44 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Item 8.
18:57:45 >> Move to open.
18:57:45 >>THOMAS SCOTT: All in favor, signify by aye.
18:57:47 Opposes?
18:57:55 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Farm Stores, you are done.

18:57:57 Congratulations.
18:57:57 May 21st.
18:58:03 >>MARTIN SHELBY: At 9:30.
18:58:05 >>THOMAS SCOTT: May 21st at 9:30 a.m. in the
18:58:09 morning.
18:58:09 You're not required --
18:58:12 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Sir, that's the second reading and
18:58:15 adoption public hearing.
18:58:16 It becomes official if it passes on that date, it's
18:58:19 scheduled for some time after 9:30 a.m.
18:58:21 My recommendation would be that just in case there is
18:58:26 additional testimony, you may want to be here to be
18:58:28 able to address those concerns.
18:58:37 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Yes, ma'am.
18:58:52 >>LaCHONE DOCK: LaChone Dock, Land Development
18:58:53 Coordination.
18:58:54 I have been sworn.
18:58:55 The next item on tonight's agenda is petition Z09-13
18:59:01 for the property located at 1405, 1407 Sewaha Street.
18:59:07 The request is to rezone the property from RS-50
18:59:07 residential single-family to RM-18 residential
18:59:09 multifamily to allow for two, two family structures

18:59:13 on-site totaling four units.
18:59:15 The site contains -- it currently contains two
18:59:19 two-story structures.
18:59:20 The structures were built in 1980 and are legal
18:59:23 nonconforming.
18:59:24 This rezoning is to vest the existing use.
18:59:27 The site contains approximately 10,000 square feet with
18:59:30 100 feet of frontage.
18:59:31 Therefore the proposed zoning district would
18:59:32 potentially allow for four dwelling units on-site.
18:59:37 The site is surrounded by residential uses to the
18:59:41 north, south, west and east.
18:59:43 I have an atlas of the area.
18:59:47 This is the site located here in green bordered with
18:59:52 Sewaha on the north.
18:59:53 15th to the east.
18:59:55 As a point of reference, the site is located north of
18:59:58 Busch Boulevard with CI zoning along Busch and RS-50
19:00:03 zoning in the surrounding areas to the north, west,
19:00:06 and east.
19:00:07 There is a recent PD rezoning located directly north
19:00:10 of the site.

19:00:11 Which was for multifamily and then RM-18 zoning
19:00:16 located further north.
19:00:18 And what I did -- I usually would do the block, but
19:00:23 since the street dead ends, I just focused in on the
19:00:26 corner, and I just highlighted the areas that contain
19:00:31 the multifamily uses as they currently exist today.
19:00:35 To the north was the PD.
19:00:38 To the west, south, the east and the northeast.
19:00:42 And they contain two units, single-family, semi
19:00:45 detached.
19:00:46 They have a common wall.
19:00:48 And this is an aerial of the site.
19:00:58 This is the site.
19:01:02 And another picture of the site.
19:01:04 This is 1405.
19:01:07 This is located west of the site.
19:01:13 This is the view looking west on Sewaha.
19:01:17 This is northwest of the site.
19:01:22 North of the site.
19:01:25 Northeast of the site, east of the site, southeast of
19:01:37 the site.
19:01:38 And south of the site.

19:01:43 So development review committee has reviewed the
19:01:47 petition and finds it consistent with Land Development
19:01:50 code.
19:01:50 This concludes staff's presentation.
19:01:53 I'm available if you have any questions.
19:01:55 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Any questions?
19:02:00 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Yeah.
19:02:01 I was just curious if they were legal nonconforming
19:02:07 use right now, why bother rezoning it all or do you
19:02:10 know or is that something to ask the petitioner?
19:02:14 >>LaCHONE DOCK: The property had a zoning of R-2 prior
19:02:18 to the '80s.
19:02:19 This area was the subject of an area-wide rezoning
19:02:24 that was done.
19:02:25 The properties that had the multifamily zoning were
19:02:28 downzoned to single-family.
19:02:30 And what happened is, you have some parcels that had
19:02:35 the multifamily use on it that now have a
19:02:38 single-family zone, and they are having a hard time
19:02:40 with things like financing and things like that.
19:02:43 The only way to correct it is to make it legal.
19:02:47 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Thank you.

19:02:48 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Ms. Kert.
19:02:51 >>REBECCA KERT: Ms. Calloway has just let me know that
19:02:53 the applicant is, in fact, not in the audience.
19:02:55 So you have two options.
19:02:58 We could continue this and we could try to contact
19:02:59 them and see if they can be here tonight.
19:03:02 You do have the option to continue it with the
19:03:03 information that's been supplied to you, or we can
19:03:06 continue it to another hearing.
19:03:07 >>THOMAS SCOTT: The applicant is not here?
19:03:09 >>REBECCA KERT: Is the applicant here?
19:03:11 No.
19:03:14 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Well, we need to continue this then,
19:03:17 don't we?
19:03:18 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Chairman, I'm not a lawyer, but I
19:03:20 would imagine if the applicant is not here, we can't
19:03:24 have this hearing.
19:03:26 >>REBECCA KERT: My recommendation would be that you
19:03:28 either continue it to the end of the hearing, allow us
19:03:30 to try to call him or you continue it for two weeks.
19:03:36 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Wait until the end of the hearing
19:03:37 and see if he can be contacted to be here in the next

19:03:41 five minutes or so.
19:03:45 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Moved and seconded.
19:03:46 All in favor, aye.
19:03:49 We are down to item 11.
19:04:06 >>ERIC COTTON: Good evening.
19:04:07 Eric Cotton, Land Development Coordination.
19:04:08 This is for V09-103.
19:04:11 A property located at 3306 West Spruce Street.
19:04:14 This was originally supposed to be heard about three
19:04:16 weeks ago or so, and the petitioner elected to
19:04:18 continue the case because of the Council only having
19:04:21 four members.
19:04:21 This property currently zoned CN is an existing cigar
19:04:27 bar.
19:04:28 The petitioner is requesting a 2(COP-X).
19:04:32 She's in a plaza or a center where there are a number
19:04:42 of other uses.
19:04:45 Just some surrounding properties and such.
19:04:49 Petitioner is requesting, like I said, a 2(COP-X)
19:04:55 which is beer and wine consumption on premises only.
19:04:58 The petitioner is requesting a couple of waivers from
19:05:01 other places that sell alcohol, residential uses and

19:05:04 institutional uses.
19:05:04 They are also asking to get -- to allow off-street
19:05:08 parking maneuver in the right-of-way along West Spruce
19:05:09 Street and Lincoln Avenue and reduce the aisle width
19:05:12 from 24 feet down to 20.
19:05:14 The 38 parking spaces or provided on site.
19:05:17 32 are required.
19:05:18 And on the site plans I passed out, if the board --
19:05:23 excuse me, if Council is inclined to approve it, there
19:05:26 are some waivers, some notes that need to be adjusted
19:05:28 onto the site plan between first and second reading.
19:05:31 They are the hours of operation, which are 10:00 --
19:05:34 open until 10 Sunday through Thursday.
19:05:36 11 on Friday and Saturday.
19:05:38 And on the waivers, waiver number four on note number
19:05:43 one from the transportation issues, North Lincoln
19:05:45 Avenue needs to be struck and transportation would
19:05:48 like to have the parking calculations actually listed
19:05:52 on the site plan.
19:05:53 Do you have any questions?
19:05:56 I'll be more than happy to answer them.
19:06:04 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Questions?

19:06:05 I guess my question is, going from a thousand feet
19:06:15 down to zero feet?
19:06:18 >>ERIC COTTON: For the --
19:06:22 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: It's up against the restaurant that
19:06:23 has a 2(COP).
19:06:26 >>ERIC COTTON: Correct.
19:06:27 I'll probably ruin the language.
19:06:31 Mi Pueblo Cafeteria.
19:06:34 3307 West Chestnut, there's a residential lot right
19:06:39 next door.
19:06:40 And there's a church on Lincoln right next door.
19:06:43 Hence the waiver down to zero for all three of those.
19:06:48 Thank you.
19:06:51 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Okay.
19:06:51 Petitioner?
19:07:01 >> Good evening, Mr. Chairman.
19:07:02 Joseph Diaz.
19:07:04 2522 West Kennedy Boulevard.
19:07:06 I have been sworn.
19:07:07 Mr. Chairman, if I can, my client, Mrs. Celpa owns
19:07:13 this structure.
19:07:14 In this structure, she apparently has and operates

19:07:18 Celpa Health Clinic.
19:07:20 Immediately adjoining it is where we are now seeking
19:07:23 to open a tobacco store.
19:07:27 Cigar bar or not a cigar bar, we are going to be a
19:07:32 retail tobacco establishment, and we would like to be
19:07:34 able to offer beer and wine, but we're not going to be
19:07:38 a bar.
19:07:39 That's not our intentions whatsoever.
19:07:42 I know you've expressed some concern quite possibly
19:07:48 with the institutional uses.
19:07:50 Mr. Chairman, we've been here three times, nobody has
19:07:53 ever appeared.
19:07:54 All of the neighbors are in support of this thing.
19:07:58 I think if you look at the police comments, the police
19:08:03 tells you the district has no objection.
19:08:05 The background check was clear.
19:08:08 There is no known opposition to this wet zone from the
19:08:11 neighborhood association.
19:08:12 There's no reason to deny this request.
19:08:14 With respect to the fact that the report indicates
19:08:22 that we're inconsistent.
19:08:24 We're inconsistent because on the site plan there

19:08:27 appears in two places the words and North Lincoln
19:08:31 Avenue.
19:08:31 We certainly have no objection whatsoever to strike
19:08:35 those words from those two locations where they
19:08:37 appear.
19:08:38 With respect to the parking issue, it now shows retail
19:08:44 space 3,000, 12 spaces.
19:08:48 They want us to put four spaces per thousand.
19:08:51 We have no objection whatsoever.
19:08:53 It says medical use 3,000, 18 spaces.
19:08:56 They want us to put six spaces per thousand.
19:08:59 No objection.
19:08:59 It says residential, a thousand square feet, two
19:09:03 spaces.
19:09:03 They want us to put two spaces per single-family
19:09:06 residence.
19:09:07 No objection whatsoever.
19:09:08 So with respect to the reasons that they have said
19:09:12 that we are inconsistent, I'm here to tell you that we
19:09:16 would meet and agree to every one of those conditions
19:09:20 and as such we would no longer be inconsistent.
19:09:24 The site plan does not indicate it, but in the

19:09:28 conversations that I have had with city staff all
19:09:31 along, we're willing to limit the hours of operation
19:09:33 as Eric set them forth and we certainly have no
19:09:36 objections to that.
19:09:37 With respect to the fact that the waiver that we need
19:09:43 from a 20-foot drive aisle -- from a 24-foot drive
19:09:49 aisle to a 20-foot drive aisle, it's in that small
19:09:53 little area there and impacts two parking spaces.
19:09:55 It's not that it impacts the whole site.
19:09:57 It impacts those two spaces right up at the very top
19:10:00 here.
19:10:00 Other than that, we need all of the aisle
19:10:04 requirements.
19:10:04 We respectfully request your support of our
19:10:17 application.
19:10:19 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'm thinking a little back, wasn't
19:10:21 there a restaurant there at one time called Blanco's?
19:10:24 >> Yes, sir, there was.
19:10:25 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Didn't they have a liquor license
19:10:27 at that location?
19:10:28 >> They did.
19:10:29 That's before they later moved to cypress.

19:10:31 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'm just going back, and I
19:10:33 remember.
19:10:34 Mr. Garcia wouldn't remember that far back.
19:10:37 He's a young man.
19:10:38 [ LAUGHTER ]
19:10:41 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Any other questions?
19:10:43 Anyone here wish to address Council on this petition?
19:10:51 Anyone from the public wish to address Council on this
19:10:54 petition?
19:10:58 >>GWEN MILLER: Move to close.
19:11:00 >> Second.
19:11:00 >>THOMAS SCOTT: All in favor, signify by aye.
19:11:02 >>REBECCA KERT: Rebecca Kert, Legal Department.
19:11:05 I have a substitute ordinance reflecting the change to
19:11:07 the waiver requirement removing -- I will be
19:11:12 substituting ordinance between first and second
19:11:14 reading reflecting the changes that he stated.
19:11:28 >>MARY MULHERN: I move an ordinance approving a
19:11:29 special use permit S-2 for alcoholic beverage sales,
19:11:33 small venue, making lawful the sale of beverages
19:11:35 containing alcohol of more than 1% by weight and not
19:11:38 more than 14% by weight and wines regardless of

19:11:40 alcoholic content, beer and wine, 2(COP-X) for
19:11:44 consumption on the premises only at or from that
19:11:46 certain lot, plot or tract of land located at 3306
19:11:50 west Spruce Street, Tampa, Florida, as more
19:11:53 particularly described in section 1 hereof, approving
19:11:55 waivers as set forth herein; waiving certain
19:11:59 restrictions as to distance based upon certain
19:12:01 findings; providing for repeal of all ordinances in
19:12:04 conflict; providing an effective date.
19:12:06 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Moved by councilwoman Mulhern and
19:12:09 seconded by Councilman Miranda.
19:12:11 All in favor, signify by aye.
19:12:13 Opposes?
19:12:14 >>The Clerk: The motion carried unanimously, second
19:12:16 reading and adoption will be on May the 21st at
19:12:19 9:30 a.m.
19:12:20 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Let the record reflect we'll have
19:12:22 between first and second reading the corrected
19:12:24 ordinance.
19:12:24 Back to item 8, Council?
19:12:30 Did we contact the petitioner?
19:12:32 >>REBECCA KERT: Rebecca Kert, Legal Department.

19:12:33 He is not going to be able to make it tonight.
19:12:36 It's my recommendation that you continue this to your
19:12:38 next available meeting which I believe is May 14th.
19:12:40 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Mr. Chairman, I would like to move
19:12:42 that we put it on the next available agenda meeting.
19:12:44 Can the clerk tell us what that is?
19:12:52 >>The Clerk: The next evening meeting, yes, is
19:12:54 May 14th.
19:12:56 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I move that.
19:12:57 >>THOMAS SCOTT: May 14th at 6:00.
19:12:59 Moved by Councilman Miranda, seconded by Councilman
19:13:02 Dingfelder.
19:13:03 All in favor, signify by aye.
19:13:05 Opposes? Okay.
19:13:06 So moved.
19:13:07 I have a couple of things under new business.
19:13:09 To my left, Councilman Dingfelder.
19:13:12 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
19:13:13 Just one item, a commendation to Fernandez, Rudy, Jack
19:13:27 and Albert's father.
19:13:28 We all know Professor Fernandez.
19:13:32 He's getting awarded the Tony Pizzo Historian of the

19:13:38 Year Award.
19:13:38 I thought we would honor him here around that same
19:13:41 time period.
19:13:42 Maybe he'll come in and tell us about his next book.
19:13:47 >> Is that the day we give the Roses?
19:13:49 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Moved and seconded.
19:13:50 All in favor, signify by aye.
19:13:51 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: We'll find a date and let you know.
19:13:54 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Okay.
19:13:55 Councilwoman Mulhern?
19:13:57 >>MARY MULHERN: I had a couple of items.
19:13:59 One, I'd like to ask that we prepare a commendation
19:14:02 for the CDC of Tampa, East Tampa, for their efforts on
19:14:07 the Chloe Coney urban enterprise center to be
19:14:10 presented on May 28th.
19:14:12 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Moved and seconded.
19:14:13 Seconded by Councilman Miranda.
19:14:16 All in favor, signify by aye.
19:14:18 Opposes?
19:14:19 >>MARY MULHERN: And then the other thing I wanted to
19:14:22 ask is that we at our next Council meeting ask that
19:14:27 our attorney prepare a resolution for, you know,

19:14:35 discussion and passing that would indicate Council's
19:14:41 support of the Tampa Chamber of Commerce in their
19:14:48 request to support adding or allowing an international
19:14:53 direct flight between Tampa and Havana, Cuba, which
19:14:59 the Tampa Chamber of Commerce --
19:15:01 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Second.
19:15:03 >>MARY MULHERN: -- I think today suggested that.
19:15:05 I think it would be good for us to start talking about
19:15:08 supporting the City of Tampa getting in line for trade
19:15:13 with Cuba in general.
19:15:15 >>THOMAS SCOTT: That's good.
19:15:16 Been moved and seconded.
19:15:17 Moved by councilwoman Mulhern, seconded by Councilman
19:15:21 Miranda.
19:15:22 All in favor, signify by aye.
19:15:24 Opposes? Councilman Miranda.
19:15:26 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Well, I really don't have any new
19:15:29 business.
19:15:29 I'm very disappointed in the way the athletics in
19:15:32 Hillsborough County was handled when only one sport is
19:15:34 not cut and the rest of the sports are cut 20% across
19:15:38 girls and boys who play soccer, basketball, tennis,

19:15:43 baseball, are going to be cut and another sport is not
19:15:46 being cut.
19:15:47 >> What would that be?
19:15:49 Football?
19:15:49 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I don't want to get into a debate.
19:15:51 It's just bad.
19:15:55 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Okay.
19:15:55 Couple of things real quick.
19:15:57 I need to remove from the agenda from the May 7th
19:16:02 agenda from the Global Love Day commendation.
19:16:08 They just want us to present that to them and not have
19:16:10 them come down to Council.
19:16:11 We just need to take that off and mail it to them.
19:16:19 >>GWEN MILLER: Motion and second.
19:16:20 All in favor, aye.
19:16:22 Opposed, nay.
19:16:23 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Also, want to request a commendation
19:16:25 for Ms. Betty Greene Johnson who retired after 36
19:16:28 years of service to the City of Tampa.
19:16:29 I would like for that to be presented to Council on
19:16:31 our May 7th meeting.
19:16:35 >>GWEN MILLER: We have a motion and second.

19:16:37 All in favor of the motion, aye.
19:16:38 Opposed, nay.
19:16:39 >>THOMAS SCOTT: One last thing I want to just make you
19:16:42 aware of, our Council's operating budget for this year
19:16:48 was right at 79,000.
19:16:53 Up until March 31st, 2009, we have only spent
19:16:58 $24,600.
19:16:59 So that means we are way below budget, doing well.
19:17:03 So I just want to point that out right now for every
19:17:07 dime we can save, that means perhaps saving somebody's
19:17:11 job.
19:17:11 >> I agree with that.
19:17:16 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: I want to say, dragon boat races
19:17:18 are this Saturday.
19:17:19 Come out and see Tampa as a dragon boat city.
19:17:23 >> Where?
19:17:25 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: Channel Drive between the two
19:17:28 bridges.
19:17:28 So you can see it from either Harbour Island or
19:17:31 Channelside.
19:17:32 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Councilman Caetano?
19:17:35 >> [INAUDIBLE]

19:17:37 >> Move to receive and file.
19:17:38 >>THOMAS SCOTT: All in favor, signify by aye.
19:17:41 Council, thank you very much.
19:17:42 We stand adjourned.
19:17:43