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TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
Thursday, August 27, 2009
10:30 a.m. Workshop

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08/27/09 11:00:04 .
08/27/09 11:00:07 >> ROLL CALL.
08/27/09 11:00:10 CAETANO, MIRANDA, THOMAS
08/27/09 11:00:10 SCOTT,
08/27/09 11:00:11 DINGFELDER.
08/27/09 11:00:14 >>
08/27/09 11:00:17 WE HAVE 10:30 WORKSHOP.
08/27/09 11:00:20 HE
08/27/09 11:00:23 WANTED TO
08/27/09 11:00:25 GIVE US AN UPDATE
08/27/09 11:00:28 BUT COUNCILWOMAN
08/27/09 11:00:29 SAUL-SENA IS
08/27/09 11:00:32 NOT HERE AND THEN SHE WILL
08/27/09 11:00:32 COME.
08/27/09 11:00:33 >
08/27/09 11:00:36 >> Mr. Fletcher: OVER THE
08/27/09 11:00:36 BREAK.
08/27/09 11:00:38 I WENT BACK THROUGH THE
08/27/09 11:00:38 MATERIALS.
08/27/09 11:00:41 YOU MAY REMEMBER READING IN
08/27/09 11:00:44 THE
08/27/09 11:00:46 PAPER, THERE WAS $500,000 MADE
08/27/09 11:00:47 AVAILABLE FOR WHAT WAS REPORTED
08/27/09 11:00:49 IN THE PAPE ARE FOR PLANNING
08/27/09 11:00:52 FOR
08/27/09 11:00:55 FERRY SERVICE IN
08/27/09 11:00:56 THE BAY.
08/27/09 11:00:56 IT TURNED OUT, MY RECOLLECTION
08/27/09 11:00:59 IS
08/27/09 11:01:02 THEY
08/27/09 11:01:05 APPLIED FOR THAT.
08/27/09 11:01:08 >>
08/27/09 11:01:11 AND THEY WERE TRYING TO FIND
08/27/09 11:01:13 READY PROJECTS THAT MET THE DID
08/27/09 11:01:14 HE HAVE UNDER THAT PROGRAM
08/27/09 11:01:18 WHICH WAS FOR FERRY
08/27/09 11:01:21 SERVICE
08/27/09 11:01:24 OR
08/27/09 11:01:27 WATER-BASED
08/27/09 11:01:27 TRANCE SIT.
08/27/09 11:01:28 --TRANSIT.
08/27/09 11:01:30 AND --AND WE HAD THE RIVER
08/27/09 11:01:32 WALK, THEY DIDN'T MEET THE
08/27/09 11:01:34 DEFINITION THE STATUTE.
08/27/09 11:01:36 AND THERE ARE THINGS THAT WERE
08/27/09 11:01:38 PLANNING LEVEL, AND THAT COULD
08/27/09 11:01:41 HAVE POTENTIALLY BEEN BILL
08/27/09 11:01:43 WITHIN THE DEFINITIONS
08/27/09 11:01:43 AVAILABLE.
08/27/09 11:01:44 WHERE WE ARE NOT SHOVEL READY
08/27/09 11:01:48 AND THAT'S
08/27/09 11:01:50 THE END THE PROCESS.
08/27/09 11:01:51 I AM NOT AWARE OF ANY.
08/27/09 11:01:55 AND AS IS
08/27/09 11:01:58 REPORTED IN
08/27/09 11:01:58 THE
08/27/09 11:01:59 PAPER.
08/27/09 11:01:59 THE INITIAL THE CONCEPT WAS FOR
08/27/09 11:02:02 PLANNING IN THE BAY AREA AND
08/27/09 11:02:05 ULTIMATELY IT TURNED OUT THAT
08/27/09 11:02:06 THAT POT OF MONEY WAS FOR
08/27/09 11:02:09 CAPITAL AND WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT
08/27/09 11:02:09 READY TO GO FORWARD.
08/27/09 11:02:11 >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR
08/27/09 11:02:11 RESEARCHING THAT.
08/27/09 11:02:14 AND I WILL
08/27/09 11:02:17 FIND OUT IF THAT'S
08/27/09 11:02:19 THE SAME ISSUE.
08/27/09 11:02:19 >> THANK YOU.
08/27/09 11:02:22 >> TAKE THE FIRST WORKSHOP
08/27/09 11:02:23 ON
08/27/09 11:02:26 THE CELL
08/27/09 11:02:28 TOWERS.
08/27/09 11:02:31 >>
08/27/09 11:02:33 THANK YOU, CROWN CELL.
08/27/09 11:02:36 >> THIS IS FOR CELL TOWERS OR
08/27/09 11:02:37 WIRELESS COMMUNICATION TOWERS
08/27/09 11:02:38 WITHIN THE CITY.
08/27/09 11:02:41 I HAVE COPIES OF THE
08/27/09 11:02:44 CODE
08/27/09 11:02:48 FOR
08/27/09 11:02:49 YOUR DISCUSSION.
08/27/09 11:02:51 >>
08/27/09 11:02:53 >> I ALSO BROUGHT ALONG THE MAP
08/27/09 11:02:55 THAT I WOULD BE REFERENCING
08/27/09 11:02:58 THAT WE USE THAT SHOWS THE
08/27/09 11:03:01 OVERLAY
08/27/09 11:03:04 SITE WITHIN THE CITY.
08/27/09 11:03:10 >> SECTION OF THE CODE
08/27/09 11:03:12 THAT
08/27/09 11:03:13 DEALS WITH COMMUNICATION
08/27/09 11:03:15 TOWERS, YOU WILL NOTE ON
08/27/09 11:03:16 PAGE 1926 OF THE CODE IF YOU
08/27/09 11:03:19 HAVE IT IN FRONT OF YOU,
08/27/09 11:03:21 THERE
08/27/09 11:03:22 IS A TABLE.
08/27/09 11:03:23 6-1 WHICH OUT LINES THE HEIGHT
08/27/09 11:03:24 LIMITATIONS SETBACK
08/27/09 11:03:25 REQUIREMENTS AND THEN OUT
08/27/09 11:03:27 PROCESS OF WHAT TO DO.
08/27/09 11:03:29 AND HOW TO GET THROUGH THE
08/27/09 11:03:31 SYSTEM TO HAVE THE TOWERS
08/27/09 11:03:35 WITHIN THE CITY
08/27/09 11:03:35 LIMITS.
08/27/09 11:03:38 THE CG AND OB DISTRICT IS
08/27/09 11:03:39 THE
08/27/09 11:03:40 FIRST COLUMN.
08/27/09 11:03:40 OFFICE PROFESSIONAL.
08/27/09 11:03:42 AND FIRST FOOTNOTE TO THE
08/27/09 11:03:42 TABLE.
08/27/09 11:03:43 IF YOU ARE WITHIN ONE THE
08/27/09 11:03:45 DISTRICTS YOU ARE REQUIRED TO
08/27/09 11:03:48 GO THROUGH A SPECIAL USE 2 AND
08/27/09 11:03:50 WE HAVE HAD IT THAT YOU HAVE A
08/27/09 11:03:52 CG DISTRICT AND THE TOWERS COME
08/27/09 11:03:53 BEFORE YOU.
08/27/09 11:03:54 THOSE ARE THE STANDARD
08/27/09 11:03:57 REGULATIONS FOR SETBACK AND
08/27/09 11:03:57 THE
08/27/09 11:03:59 UNDER LYING DISTRICT AND
08/27/09 11:04:02 SEPARATION IS 100% OF THE TOWER
08/27/09 11:04:04 AND MINIMUM SEPARATION FROM
08/27/09 11:04:06 LOCAL OR LOCAL AND HISTORIC
08/27/09 11:04:08 LANDMARK IS 20% OF THE TOWER
08/27/09 11:04:08 HEIGHT.
08/27/09 11:04:11 MANY OF THE ONES THAT YOU HAVE
08/27/09 11:04:14 HAD IS TALLER THAN 90
08/27/09 11:04:14 FEET.
08/27/09 11:04:15 THEY COULD BE 120.
08/27/09 11:04:15 140.
08/27/09 11:04:18 AND WHAT IT SAYS IN THE CODE ON
08/27/09 11:04:21 THE NEXT PAGE IS THAT YOU COME
08/27/09 11:04:24 THROUGH A STWO PROCESS AS AN
08/27/09 11:04:25 OP
08/27/09 11:04:27 ZONING DISTRICT AND S2 PROCESS
08/27/09 11:04:29 IN ANY ONE THE OTHER DISTRICTS
08/27/09 11:04:31 IF YOU ARE SEEKING A VARIANCE
08/27/09 11:04:33 FOR SETBACK OR HEIGHT OR
08/27/09 11:04:33 DISTANCE SEPARATION.
08/27/09 11:04:36 SO IF YOU WERE IN A CI ZONING
08/27/09 11:04:39 DISTRICT AND GO BACK TO TABLE
08/27/09 11:04:42 6-1 AND YOU HAD A 40-FOOT TABLE
08/27/09 11:04:45 HEIGHT, YOU HAD TO BE
08/27/09 11:04:45 20.
08/27/09 11:04:47 AND 140 FEET FROM A RESIDENTIAL
08/27/09 11:04:49 USE AND 300% OF THE TOWER
08/27/09 11:04:51 HEIGHT FROM A LOCAL HISTORICAL
08/27/09 11:04:54 DISTRICT ON THE MARK
08/27/09 11:04:54 SITE.
08/27/09 11:04:55 AND 420 FEET.
08/27/09 11:04:57 SO IF YOU DIDN'T MEET ONE OF
08/27/09 11:05:00 THE SEPARATIONS OR SETBACK
08/27/09 11:05:01 REQUIREMENTS OR TALLER THAN
08/27/09 11:05:03 140 FEET IN THE CI DISTRICT.
08/27/09 11:05:05 YOU WOULD COME TO THE CITY
08/27/09 11:05:07 COUNCIL AND IT GIVES YOU THE
08/27/09 11:05:08 CRITERIA FOR THE SPECIAL USE
08/27/09 11:05:10 TOO FOR COUNCIL TO CONSIDER AND
08/27/09 11:05:13 THE APPLICANT TO PROVE TO YOU.
08/27/09 11:05:16 AND THAT IS LETTER C ON
08/27/09 11:05:18 PAGE 1927.
08/27/09 11:05:19 SO THE APPLICANT MAY PETITION
08/27/09 11:05:21 THROUGH THE PROCESS TO SEEK A
08/27/09 11:05:24 REDUCTION OF THE SETBACK OR
08/27/09 11:05:26 INCREASE IN MAXIMUM TOWER
08/27/09 11:05:26 HEIGHT.
08/27/09 11:05:27 CITY COUNCIL MAY HAVE
08/27/09 11:05:30 ALTERATIONS AND CHANGES AND SO
08/27/09 11:05:31 ON AND CONSIDER ITEMS ONE
08/27/09 11:05:32 THROUGH SIX.
08/27/09 11:05:35 IT IS THE APPLICATION MEETS THE
08/27/09 11:05:38 REAR MINUTES OF ONE, TWO OR
08/27/09 11:05:39 THREE.
08/27/09 11:05:40 AND FOUR, FIVE AND SIX.
08/27/09 11:05:41 SO NO MATTER WHAT.
08/27/09 11:05:43 THEY HAVE TO MEET FOUR, FIVE
08/27/09 11:05:46 AND SIX, AND ONE, TWO, THREE
08/27/09 11:05:48 ARE THE AND OFFICE DISTRICT.
08/27/09 11:05:49 AND THOSE ARE THE NORMAL ONE
08/27/09 11:05:51 THAT IS FALL UNDER TABLE SIX
08/27/09 11:05:53 AND PROCESS FOR THAT.
08/27/09 11:05:56 >> AND IF YOU GO
08/27/09 11:05:59 TO PAGE 1928.1
08/27/09 11:06:00 AND LETTER C SITE.
08/27/09 11:06:03 AND THAT'S WHERE THE
08/27/09 11:06:03 MAP COMES
08/27/09 11:06:04 INTO PLAY.
08/27/09 11:06:07 AND I WANT TO TAKE A STEP BACK
08/27/09 11:06:09 HISTORICALLY HERE FOR YOU TO
08/27/09 11:06:10 GIVE A LITTLE PERSPECTIVE.
08/27/09 11:06:11 >> THANK YOU.
08/27/09 11:06:14 >> IN 1996,
08/27/09 11:06:15 THERE WAS THE
08/27/09 11:06:16 FEDERAL TELECOMMUNICATIONS ACT
08/27/09 11:06:19 THAT CAME INTO PLAY
08/27/09 11:06:20 AND SEVERAL
08/27/09 11:06:20 PREESPECIALLY SHOPS FOR THEM
08/27/09 11:06:23 AND WE WILL GO THROUGH THE
08/27/09 11:06:24 DETAILS ON THAT.
08/27/09 11:06:26 AND 1988, CITY COUNCIL THROUGH
08/27/09 11:06:28 THE ADMINISTRATION FORMED A
08/27/09 11:06:30 TASK FORCE AND IT WAS A
08/27/09 11:06:31 SUNSHINE TASK FORCE.
08/27/09 11:06:34 THEY HELD MINUTES AND MEETINGS.
08/27/09 11:06:37 AND FROM THAT TAX
08/27/09 11:06:38 FORCE/COMMITTEE CAME
08/27/09 11:06:39 REGULATIONS IN 1999.
08/27/09 11:06:41 THEY WERE ADOPTED APRIL OF
08/27/09 11:06:43 1999, SOME OF YOU WERE PROBABLY
08/27/09 11:06:45 HERE WHEN THEY WERE ADOPTED.
08/27/09 11:06:47 IN THAT ADOPTION, THE INITIAL
08/27/09 11:06:49 REGULATION THAT IS I JUST SPOKE
08/27/09 11:06:52 ABOUT A P STANDARD COMMERCIAL
08/27/09 11:06:54 DISTRICTS CAME INTO BEING.
08/27/09 11:06:56 ALSO, THE LOCATION OVERLAY
08/27/09 11:06:59 SUITS AND THEY DEALT WITH
08/27/09 11:07:00 PRIMARILY PUBLIC FACILITIES AND
08/27/09 11:07:03 SEVERAL CATEGORIES OF PUBLIC
08/27/09 11:07:05 FACILITIES UNDER THIS
08/27/09 11:07:05 PROVISION.
08/27/09 11:07:07 THE VERY FIRST ONE IS THAT
08/27/09 11:07:08 COMMUNICATION TOWERS ARE
08/27/09 11:07:09 PERSONALLED BY RIGHT AND YOU
08/27/09 11:07:11 WILL NOTICE IN EACH CATEGORY,
08/27/09 11:07:13 THEY SAY THEY ARE PERMITTED BY
08/27/09 11:07:15 RIGHT AS LONG AS THEY MEET
08/27/09 11:07:17 CERTAIN SEPARATION REQUIREMENTS
08/27/09 11:07:18 AND CERTAIN HEIGHT REQUIREMENTS
08/27/09 11:07:20 AND CERTAIN SET BASKS AND
08/27/09 11:07:21 PLACED ON THE MAP.
08/27/09 11:07:23 THE VERY FIRST ONE IS UTILITY
08/27/09 11:07:25 EASE MINUTES OF 100 FEET IN
08/27/09 11:07:26 WIDTH OR MORE.
08/27/09 11:07:28 THEY ARE ALLOWED BY RIGHT TO
08/27/09 11:07:31 REMAIN TOWER HEIGHT AND
08/27/09 11:07:34 RESIDENTIALLY
08/27/09 11:07:36 ZONED OR USED
08/27/09 11:07:36 PROPERTY.
08/27/09 11:07:38 AND THEY TELL US, THE
08/27/09 11:07:39 COMMUNICATION TOWERS ARE
08/27/09 11:07:42 ALLOWED BY RIGHT
08/27/09 11:07:43 AND THE
08/27/09 11:07:43 VETERAN'S EXPRESSWAY.
08/27/09 11:07:46 AND LEROY, AND ENTER ESTATE
08/27/09 11:07:48 FOUR, INTERSTATE 275, AND BEING
08/27/09 11:07:50 INSTALLED AS A LIGHT POLE
08/27/09 11:07:52 CHANGEOUT PROVIDED THERE IS NOT
08/27/09 11:07:55 A REDUCTION IN THE
08/27/09 11:07:58 RESIDENTIALLY ZONED OR USE
08/27/09 11:07:58 PROPERTY.
08/27/09 11:08:00 THE NEXT CATEGORY IS 140-FOOT
08/27/09 11:08:03 OR LESS TOWER ALLOWED BY RIGHT
08/27/09 11:08:06 ON CITY DESIGNATED PARK LANDS.
08/27/09 11:08:08 REC REGULARRAL FACILITIES AS
08/27/09 11:08:10 LONG AS THEY MAINTAIN TOWERS
08/27/09 11:08:12 OVER 100 FEET.
08/27/09 11:08:15 AND HAVE TO MEET 300-FOOT
08/27/09 11:08:16 SEPARATION FROM RESIDENTIALLY
08/27/09 11:08:18 SOAPED OR USED PROPERTY AND
08/27/09 11:08:21 TOWERS OF 100 FEET OR LESS AND
08/27/09 11:08:23 IN HEIGHT MAINTAIN A 200-FOOT
08/27/09 11:08:25 SEPARATION FROM THE
08/27/09 11:08:26 RESIDENTIALLY SOAPED USE
08/27/09 11:08:29 PROPERTY AND SCREENING
08/27/09 11:08:30 REQUIREMENTS AS WELL.
08/27/09 11:08:32 TOWERS THAT ARE 140-FOOT OR
08/27/09 11:08:35 LESS MAY BE ERECTED IN UTILITY
08/27/09 11:08:36 TRANSFER OR ELECTRICAL SUB
08/27/09 11:08:37 STATIONS.
08/27/09 11:08:38 AS LONG AS THE LOT ITSELF THAT
08/27/09 11:08:41 IS BEING PLACED ON MAINTAINS
08/27/09 11:08:44 THE MINIMUM OF 10,000 SQUARE
08/27/09 11:08:44 FEET.
08/27/09 11:08:46 >> THERE IS ALSO VISUAL
08/27/09 11:08:49 SCREENING AND BUFFERS
08/27/09 11:08:49 THAT ARE
08/27/09 11:08:49 REQUIRED.
08/27/09 11:08:50 >> NEXT CATEGORY.
08/27/09 11:08:53 140 FEET OR LESS GONE
08/27/09 11:08:54 A
08/27/09 11:08:56 MONOPOLE MAY BE HELD ON SCHOOL
08/27/09 11:08:59 BOARD SITES WHEN
08/27/09 11:09:00 THEY MAINTAIN
08/27/09 11:09:01 THE SEPARATIONS.
08/27/09 11:09:03 100 FEET IN HEIGHT.
08/27/09 11:09:04 300 FEET FROM RESIDENTIALLY
08/27/09 11:09:06 SOAPED PROPERTY AND TOWERS
08/27/09 11:09:09 MAINTAIN 100 FEET
08/27/09 11:09:10 FROM
08/27/09 11:09:13 RESIDENTIALLY ZONED PROPERTY.
08/27/09 11:09:14 AND THE FINAL CATEGORY OF
08/27/09 11:09:17 MONOPOLE MAY BE PERSONAL THE BY
08/27/09 11:09:19 RIGHT ON CITY OWNED SITES AS
08/27/09 11:09:21 LONG AS THEY PENTANE TOWERS
08/27/09 11:09:22 OVER 100 FEET.
08/27/09 11:09:24 MAINTAIN 300 FEET FROM
08/27/09 11:09:26 RESIDENTIALLY USED AND TOWERS
08/27/09 11:09:28 MAINTAIN 100 FEET OF
08/27/09 11:09:28 RESIDENTIALLY USED PROPERTIES.
08/27/09 11:09:30 YOU CAN SEE A THEME.
08/27/09 11:09:33 IF YOU ARE BETWEEN 100
08/27/09 11:09:36 AND 140
08/27/09 11:09:37 PROJECTS RESIDENTIAL.
08/27/09 11:09:38 AND 140 OR MORE POTENTIALLY.
08/27/09 11:09:41 THERE
08/27/09 11:09:43 IS A CERTAIN SEPARATION.
08/27/09 11:09:45 CAN YOU NOTICE THEY ARE EITHER
08/27/09 11:09:47 CITY OPENED LANDS OR PUBLIC
08/27/09 11:09:48 FACILITIES.
08/27/09 11:09:51 RIGHT OF WAY OR UTILITY
08/27/09 11:09:54 EASEMENTS OR PUBLIC
08/27/09 11:09:54 FACILITY.
08/27/09 11:09:55 THE PROCESS FOR THAT.
08/27/09 11:09:58 YOU WILL NOTE IN PARAGRAPH
08/27/09 11:10:00 SEVEN, IS THAT THEY NEED TO BE
08/27/09 11:10:03 APPROVED AND ADOPTED
08/27/09 11:10:03 BY
08/27/09 11:10:06 RESOLUTION OF TAMPA CITY
08/27/09 11:10:09 COUNCIL
08/27/09 11:10:11 ON THIS MAP.
08/27/09 11:10:11 MAP 721.
08/27/09 11:10:13 MAP 27-1 IS THIS MAP.
08/27/09 11:10:15 WE KEEP IT IN OUR OFFICE.
08/27/09 11:10:17 YOU CAN SEE WHERE THEY ARE.
08/27/09 11:10:18 CURRENTLY THERE ARE 59 SITES
08/27/09 11:10:19 THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED OVER
08/27/09 11:10:21 THE LAST 10 YEARS APPROXIMATELY
08/27/09 11:10:23 AND THROUGHOUT THE CITY AND
08/27/09 11:10:25 THEY RANGE ANYWHERE FROM FIRE
08/27/09 11:10:27 STATIONS AND SUB STATIONS AND
08/27/09 11:10:29 VARIOUS INDUSTRIAL LANDS AND
08/27/09 11:10:32 PORT AUTHORITY, CITY OF TAMPA
08/27/09 11:10:34 OWNED PROPERTY AND MANY SUB
08/27/09 11:10:35 STATIONS.
08/27/09 11:10:37 SEVERAL DIFFERENT TYPES OF
08/27/09 11:10:38 SCHOOLS AND ELEMENTARY.
08/27/09 11:10:40 OR HIGH SCHOOL.
08/27/09 11:10:41 AND PRAY GROUND.
08/27/09 11:10:41 SPORTS COMPLEXES.
08/27/09 11:10:44 AND A
08/27/09 11:10:47 COUPLE OF CITY PARKS.
08/27/09 11:10:52 AND THAT IS CONCLUDES MY
08/27/09 11:10:54 PRESENTATION ON THE CODE
08/27/09 11:10:55 ITSELF.
08/27/09 11:10:57 I AM AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS AS
08/27/09 11:11:00 THEY COME.
08/27/09 11:11:02 >> HEAR FROM LEGAL.
08/27/09 11:11:05 >> JULIA, FROM THE
08/27/09 11:11:07 LEGAL
08/27/09 11:11:07 DEPARTMENT.
08/27/09 11:11:08 AS CATHY STATED.
08/27/09 11:11:09 WHEN THESE PARTICULARLY
08/27/09 11:11:10 PROVISIONS ARE PROMULGATED IT
08/27/09 11:11:13 WAS AS A RESULT THE FEDERAL
08/27/09 11:11:16 GOVERNMENT ADOPTING THE FEDERAL
08/27/09 11:11:17 TELECOMMUNICATIONS ACT OF 1996
08/27/09 11:11:20 AND AS A RESULT OF THAT
08/27/09 11:11:22 LEGISLATION WHICH IN ESSENCE
08/27/09 11:11:24 PREEMPTED CERTAIN LEVEL OF
08/27/09 11:11:26 LOCAL GOVERNMENT AUTHORITY OVER
08/27/09 11:11:28 THE LOCATION OF WIRELESS
08/27/09 11:11:29 COMMUNICATION TOWERS, THE CITY
08/27/09 11:11:31 AND I WILL TELL YOU WE DID THIS
08/27/09 11:11:32 AT THE COUNTY.
08/27/09 11:11:35 THEY WERE GOING THROUGH THE
08/27/09 11:11:36 SAME THING AND ABSORBING THAT
08/27/09 11:11:38 REGULATION AND LOOKING AT THE
08/27/09 11:11:40 CODES AND AT THAT TIME A LOT OF
08/27/09 11:11:43 CODES WEREN'T DEALING WITH THE
08/27/09 11:11:45 FACILITIES AND WENT AHEAD TO
08/27/09 11:11:46 ATTEMPT TO PROMISE YOU WILL
08/27/09 11:11:49 GATE REGULATIONS WHICH ARE IN
08/27/09 11:11:52 COMPLIANCE WITH THE FEDERAL
08/27/09 11:11:53 TELECOMMUNICATIONS ACT.
08/27/09 11:11:55 SO THEY WERE REACTIVE IN
08/27/09 11:11:56 DEALING WITH THOSE ISSUES.
08/27/09 11:11:57 I WAS NOT AT THE CITY AT THE
08/27/09 11:11:59 TIME AND I UNDERSTAND THERE WAS
08/27/09 11:12:00 A TASK FORCE AND TREMENDOUS
08/27/09 11:12:03 AMOUNT OF MEETINGS ON THE
08/27/09 11:12:03 ISSUE.
08/27/09 11:12:06 AND WORKSHOP AND CITY COUNCIL.
08/27/09 11:12:07 IT WAS PRETTY BROAD AND FOLKS
08/27/09 11:12:09 WHO WERE INVOLVED AND THIS WAS
08/27/09 11:12:11 THE REGULATION THAT RESULTED
08/27/09 11:12:12 OUT OF THAT.
08/27/09 11:12:15 I CAN GO THROUGH THE
08/27/09 11:12:16 TELECOMMUNICATIONS ACT TO GIVE
08/27/09 11:12:18 YOU MORE INFORMATION AND I
08/27/09 11:12:20 THINK OUR CODE, THE WAY IT
08/27/09 11:12:23 READS TODAY WASN'T IN THE
08/27/09 11:12:24 COMPLIANCE WITH THAT ACT.
08/27/09 11:12:27 WHAT HAS HAPPENED SUB SEPTEMBER
08/27/09 11:12:29 TO THAT IS IN 2005, THE STATE
08/27/09 11:12:32 WEIGHED IN
08/27/09 11:12:33 AND ADOPTED STATUTES
08/27/09 11:12:36 365.172 WHICH IS
08/27/09 11:12:38 THE E 911
08/27/09 11:12:38 REGULATIONS.
08/27/09 11:12:39 AND WITHIN THE FLORIDA
08/27/09 11:12:42 LEGISLATURE AND THE FLORIDA
08/27/09 11:12:43 STATUTORY PROVISIONS, THERE WAS
08/27/09 11:12:45 FURTHER PREESPECIALLY SHOP AS
08/27/09 11:12:48 TO THE WAY A LOCAL GOVERNMENT
08/27/09 11:12:51 CAN REGULATE THE WIRELESS
08/27/09 11:12:54 TELECOMMUNICATION TOWERS
08/27/09 11:12:55 AND
08/27/09 11:12:55 ALSO, ANTENNAS.
08/27/09 11:12:56 AND INTENDED PURPOSE.
08/27/09 11:12:58 AND SPENT SOME TIME GOING
08/27/09 11:12:59 THROUGH THE PROVISION.
08/27/09 11:13:00 AND I BROUGHT COPIES IF ANYONE
08/27/09 11:13:02 WANTS IT SHOW YOU CAN HAVE IT
08/27/09 11:13:04 AND ANYBODY THAT WOULD LIKE IT,
08/27/09 11:13:07 I CAN
08/27/09 11:13:10 HAVE IT PASSED OUT.
08/27/09 11:13:13 AND
08/27/09 11:13:22 THE PURPOSE OF THE
08/27/09 11:13:25 PROVISION WAS TO IMPLEMENT A
08/27/09 11:13:26 STATEWIDE TELECOMMUNICATION
08/27/09 11:13:27 NUMBER SYSTEM.
08/27/09 11:13:30 IT WAS INTENDED TO ASSIST,
08/27/09 11:13:32 PROBABLY WAS FOR HURRICANES AND
08/27/09 11:13:33 SUCH EMERGENCIES AND THE
08/27/09 11:13:36 ABILITY TO HAVE WIRELESS
08/27/09 11:13:36 COMMUNICATION AVAILABLE INCASE
08/27/09 11:13:38 THE LAND LINE SHUT DOWN AND
08/27/09 11:13:39 THAT'S FROM MY READING THE
08/27/09 11:13:42 STATUTE AND WHAT
08/27/09 11:13:44 IT SAYS.
08/27/09 11:13:46 WITHIN IT, IT ALSO PROVIDES AS
08/27/09 11:13:48 I SAID, A PREESPECIALLY SHOP ON
08/27/09 11:13:51 HOW LOCAL
08/27/09 11:13:53 GOVERNMENTS CAN --
08/27/09 11:13:53 PREEMPTION.
08/27/09 11:13:54 AND WIRELESS FAST I WILLS.
08/27/09 11:13:57 IT MAKE IT IS CLEAR A LOCAL
08/27/09 11:13:59 GOVERNMENT MAY ONLY REGULATE
08/27/09 11:14:00 THE TELECOMMUNICATION TOWERS
08/27/09 11:14:03 FOR THE USE OF LAND USE AND NOT
08/27/09 11:14:05 FOR BUSINESS DECISIONS AND NOT
08/27/09 11:14:07 BECAUSE THEY NEED A SITE FOR A
08/27/09 11:14:08 PARTICULAR REASON, BECAUSE OF A
08/27/09 11:14:09 BUSINESS PLAN.
08/27/09 11:14:10 NOT BECAUSE THEY NEED A SITE
08/27/09 11:14:12 FOR A PARTICULAR REASON FOR
08/27/09 11:14:13 COVERAGE PURPOSES.
08/27/09 11:14:15 IT IS REALLY INTENDED TORE LAND
08/27/09 11:14:17 USE AND ZONING ISSUES ONLY.
08/27/09 11:14:19 IT GOES ON TO FURTHER PROVIDE,
08/27/09 11:14:22 WHAT THE LAND USE
08/27/09 11:14:23 AND ZONING
08/27/09 11:14:23 ISSUES ARE.
08/27/09 11:14:26 AND THE STATUTE SPECIFIES AND I
08/27/09 11:14:28 AM REFERRING TO SUB SECTION 12
08/27/09 11:14:29 RIGHT NOW.
08/27/09 11:14:30 A LOCAL GOVERNMENT CAN CONTINUE
08/27/09 11:14:32 TO REGULATE BASED ON LOCATION
08/27/09 11:14:34 OF PRIORITIES FOR THE LOCAL
08/27/09 11:14:35 GOVERNMENT AND PARTICULAR AREA
08/27/09 11:14:37 OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT FROM A LAND
08/27/09 11:14:39 USE PERSPECTIVE AND WOULD LIKE
08/27/09 11:14:42 TO SEE TOWERS FOR
08/27/09 11:14:43 LANDSCAPING
08/27/09 11:14:46 PURPOSES, FOR ESTHETICS AND
08/27/09 11:14:48 SETBACKS AND FOR STRUCTURAL
08/27/09 11:14:50 DESIGN SAFETY ISSUES SUCH AS
08/27/09 11:14:52 STALL ZONES AND IF A TOWER CAN
08/27/09 11:14:53 FALL REGULATING FOR THE
08/27/09 11:14:57 PURPOSES AND FOR THE
08/27/09 11:14:57 TOWER TO
08/27/09 11:14:58 PAL.
08/27/09 11:15:00 THE PROVISION EVEN GOES FURTHER
08/27/09 11:15:03 TO SAY SETBACKS WHEN YOU ARE
08/27/09 11:15:04 REGULATING CANNOT EXCEED THE
08/27/09 11:15:07 MINIMUM DIPS ASSISTANCE
08/27/09 11:15:09 NECESSARY FOR STRUCTURAL SAFETY
08/27/09 11:15:10 OR ESTHETIC CONCERNS AND THE
08/27/09 11:15:13 MOST SIGNIFICANT PART OF THE
08/27/09 11:15:14 STATUTORY PROVISIONS RELATES TO
08/27/09 11:15:16 RESIDENTIAL AREAS AND THERE WAS
08/27/09 11:15:19 NOTHING REALLY IN THE FEDERAL
08/27/09 11:15:21 TELECOMMUNICATIONS ACT THAT
08/27/09 11:15:22 WENT SO FAR AND IT IS GOING A
08/27/09 11:15:24 LOT FURTHER THAN THE
08/27/09 11:15:25 TELECOMMUNICATIONS ACT.
08/27/09 11:15:27 AND IT PROVIDES THAT A LOCAL
08/27/09 11:15:29 GOVERNMENT MAY PROHIBIT TOWERS
08/27/09 11:15:32 OR IN RESIDENTIAL ZONING AREAS.
08/27/09 11:15:33 AND ZONING DISTRICTS.
08/27/09 11:15:34 BUT THAT THAT, THAT RESTRICTION
08/27/09 11:15:37 AND I AM QUOTING NOW FROM
08/27/09 11:15:39 THE
08/27/09 11:15:40 STATUTE MAY NOT CONSTITUTE AN
08/27/09 11:15:42 ACTUAL PROHIBITION OF THE
08/27/09 11:15:44 PROVIDER SERVICE IN THE
08/27/09 11:15:46 RESIDENTIALLY USED ZONE OR
08/27/09 11:15:46 DISTRICT.
08/27/09 11:15:48 SO, YES, IF THE GOVERNMENT
08/27/09 11:15:50 CONTINUES TO HAVE REGULATIONS
08/27/09 11:15:52 WHICH PROHIBIT A TOWER.
08/27/09 11:15:55 AND RESIDENTIAL USED OR ZONING
08/27/09 11:15:56 AREA.
08/27/09 11:15:58 HOWEVER, IF THAT HAS THE IMPACT
08/27/09 11:16:00 OF PRO HIBING OR LIMITING THE
08/27/09 11:16:03 ABILITY TO RECEIVE CELL SERVICE
08/27/09 11:16:05 WITHIN THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS,
08/27/09 11:16:08 THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT THROUGH
08/27/09 11:16:08 SOME PROCESS WOULD BE REQUIRED
08/27/09 11:16:11 TO OLU THE TOWER TO BE
08/27/09 11:16:12 CONSTRUCTED FOR THAT PURPOSE.
08/27/09 11:16:15 AND YOU KNOW, A LOT OF
08/27/09 11:16:15 THESE
08/27/09 11:16:18 ARE HARD TO TELL WHAT IT ALL
08/27/09 11:16:19 MEANS AND THE POINT AND THE WAY
08/27/09 11:16:22 I READ WHAT WE ARE STILL HAVE
08/27/09 11:16:24 THE AUTHORITY TO DO WE HAVE THE
08/27/09 11:16:25 AUTHORITY TO REGULATE FOR A
08/27/09 11:16:26 VERY LIMITED PURPOSES.
08/27/09 11:16:28 WE HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO SAY
08/27/09 11:16:30 WHAT ZONING DISTRICTS THESE
08/27/09 11:16:32 SHOULD GO IN AND THE AUTHORITY
08/27/09 11:16:34 TO REGULATE TO LIMIT THESE AND
08/27/09 11:16:36 RESIDENTIALLY ZONED AREAS AND
08/27/09 11:16:38 THE AUTHORITY TO MAKE SHIRE
08/27/09 11:16:40 THERE ARE SETBACKS AND SETBACKS
08/27/09 11:16:43 HAVE TO BE VERY CLEAR AND
08/27/09 11:16:46 DEFINED FOR SAFETY PURPOSES OR
08/27/09 11:16:48 ESTHETIC PURPOSES AND VERY
08/27/09 11:16:50 COGNIZANT WHEN WE GO THROUGH
08/27/09 11:16:51 AMENDMENT THAT WE HAVE SUPPORT
08/27/09 11:16:51 FOR THAT.
08/27/09 11:16:54 >> AND WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE
08/27/09 11:16:56 THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR
08/27/09 11:16:59 CELL TOWERS TO GO INTO AREAS
08/27/09 11:17:01 WHERE THERE IS RESIDENTIALLY
08/27/09 11:17:04 ZONED USE PROPERTIES TO INSURE
08/27/09 11:17:04 COVERAGE.
08/27/09 11:17:06 AND IN LOOKING AT THESE
08/27/09 11:17:08 ADDITIONAL REGULATIONS WHICH WE
08/27/09 11:17:10 ARE NOT CONTEMPLATED IN OUR
08/27/09 11:17:11 CODE.
08/27/09 11:17:14 AND WE DO ALWAYS NEED TO BE
08/27/09 11:17:16 COGNIZANT AND CAREFUL OF HOW
08/27/09 11:17:18 THESE WOULD BE DEALT WITH.
08/27/09 11:17:20 I AM AVAILABLE FOR ANY
08/27/09 11:17:21 ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS AS IT
08/27/09 11:17:23 RELATES TO WHERE WE ARE LEGALLY
08/27/09 11:17:26 ON THE REGULATION OF TOWERS.
08/27/09 11:17:26 OTHERWISE THAT ENDS MY.
08/27/09 11:17:29 >> SO WE ARE CLEAR AGAIN, IT IS
08/27/09 11:17:32 PRETTY MUCH ALONG THE
08/27/09 11:17:33 FEDERAL
08/27/09 11:17:33 AND STATE REGULATION.
08/27/09 11:17:36 PREEMPT US
08/27/09 11:17:39 FROM HAVING SOME
08/27/09 11:17:41 DISCRETION OVER CELL TOWERS AND
08/27/09 11:17:44 HAVE YOU HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW
08/27/09 11:17:46 THE E-MAILS THAT COME IN AND
08/27/09 11:17:47 THE RECOMMENDED PROPOSALS.
08/27/09 11:17:48 >> I WAS ABLE IT REVIEW.
08/27/09 11:17:52 I RECEIVED A COPY OF AN E-MAIL
08/27/09 11:17:55 WITH A PROPOSED
08/27/09 11:17:55 LANGUAGE.
08/27/09 11:17:57 AND FOR OUR CODE.
08/27/09 11:18:00 AND I DID HAVE A TUNE TO REVIEW
08/27/09 11:18:00 THAT.
08/27/09 11:18:02 AND FRANKLY, I WOULD HAVE A LOT
08/27/09 11:18:04 OF CONCERNS WHAT IS BEING
08/27/09 11:18:06 PROMULGATED IF THAT IS
08/27/09 11:18:07 SOMETHING THAT CITY COUNCIL
08/27/09 11:18:10 WANTED TO MOVE FORWARD TO
08/27/09 11:18:11 EXPLORE.
08/27/09 11:18:13 AND SINCE I DON'T KNOW IF
08/27/09 11:18:15 THAT'S THE WILL OF CITY COUNCIL
08/27/09 11:18:16 OR NOT.
08/27/09 11:18:17 I WOULDN'T SPEND TOO MUCH TIME
08/27/09 11:18:18 ON IT.
08/27/09 11:18:20 AND I DO THINK ON ITS FACE.
08/27/09 11:18:22 THERE ARE PROVISIONS IN HERE
08/27/09 11:18:26 THAT WOULD CAUSE ME
08/27/09 11:18:26 LEGAL
08/27/09 11:18:26 CONCERNS.
08/27/09 11:18:29 >> COUNCIL MULHERN.
08/27/09 11:18:30 >> THANK YOU.
08/27/09 11:18:33 >> AND MISS COLE, I THINK WHAT
08/27/09 11:18:35 YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW
08/27/09 11:18:38 IS SECTION
08/27/09 11:18:39 THREE.
08/27/09 11:18:42 IS IT B 3. ABOUT THE ABOUT
08/27/09 11:18:43 THEM
08/27/09 11:18:44 PRO HIBING
08/27/09 11:18:44 EFFECTIVE.
08/27/09 11:18:46 OR WE CAN EFFECTIVELY PROHIBIT
08/27/09 11:18:49 PROVIDER SERVICE AND IN THAT
08/27/09 11:18:52 RESIDENTIAL AREA OR ZONING
08/27/09 11:18:55 DISTRICT AND WE CAN'T PRO HIB
08/27/09 11:18:56 IT BY.
08/27/09 11:18:57 AND BY DISTRICT.
08/27/09 11:18:59 OR LAND USE CATEGORY, BUT TO
08/27/09 11:19:00 ME.
08/27/09 11:19:03 IT DONE SAY THAT YOU CAN'T MAKE
08/27/09 11:19:04 SPECIFIC, THAT'S JUST SAYING
08/27/09 11:19:07 YOU CAN'T SAY WE ARE NOT GOING
08/27/09 11:19:09 TO IN THIS NEIGHBOR.
08/27/09 11:19:10 WE ARE NOT GOING TO ALLOW THEM
08/27/09 11:19:12 AT ALL.
08/27/09 11:19:14 >> THE WAY I READ THE STATUTE,
08/27/09 11:19:17 YOU CAN BY ZONING DISTRICT SAY,
08/27/09 11:19:17 PROHIBIT.
08/27/09 11:19:20 AND A TOWER FROM
08/27/09 11:19:22 GOING IN A
08/27/09 11:19:22 RESIDENTIALLY ZONED PROPERTY
08/27/09 11:19:25 AND YOU CAN HAVE LIMITATIONS
08/27/09 11:19:26 ON
08/27/09 11:19:29 A TOWER GOING WITH SOME
08/27/09 11:19:32 PROXIMITY TO SOME
08/27/09 11:19:33 USED PIRATE.
08/27/09 11:19:34 HOWEVER, THOSE REGULATIONS
08/27/09 11:19:37 CAN'T GO SO FAR AS TO INPACT
08/27/09 11:19:39 THE ABILITY FOR IT TO BE CELL
08/27/09 11:19:43 SERVICE WITHIN THE RESIDENTIAL
08/27/09 11:19:44 AREAS.
08/27/09 11:19:46 SO, IT REALLY BECOMES.
08/27/09 11:19:46 A BALANCE BECAUSE.
08/27/09 11:19:48 AND ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU LOOK AT
08/27/09 11:19:50 THE CITY OF TAMPA, IT MAKE IT
08/27/09 11:19:53 IS IT MUCH MORE COMPLICATED AND
08/27/09 11:19:54 YOU HAVE OLDER AREAS.
08/27/09 11:19:56 WHERE YOU HAVE HIGHLY
08/27/09 11:19:58 RESIDENTIAL AREAS WITH SMALL
08/27/09 11:20:01 COMMERCIAL POCKETS WITHIN THOSE
08/27/09 11:20:03 RESIDENTIAL AREAS AND THEY ARE
08/27/09 11:20:05 VERY CLOSE TO THE RESIDENTIAL
08/27/09 11:20:08 AREAS AND YOU HAVE TO
08/27/09 11:20:08 BE
08/27/09 11:20:11 COGNIZANT WHEN REGULATING THAT
08/27/09 11:20:14 YOU DON'T CAUSE, THEY
08/27/09 11:20:15 ARE NOT
08/27/09 11:20:16 TO BE A CELL SERVICE WITHIN
08/27/09 11:20:16 THERE.
08/27/09 11:20:19 >> WHAT I JUST WANTED TO MAKE
08/27/09 11:20:21 CLEAR, IT SOUNDED LIKE.
08/27/09 11:20:23 MAYBE CHAIRMAN SCOTT FELT THAT
08/27/09 11:20:25 THIS WOULD PROHIBIT US FROM
08/27/09 11:20:27 REGULATING IT AT ALL.
08/27/09 11:20:30 >> YOU DIDN'T THINK THAT.
08/27/09 11:20:33 >> AND IF WE
08/27/09 11:20:34 CAN'T PREVENT A
08/27/09 11:20:36 PROVIDER FROM BEING ABLE TO
08/27/09 11:20:39 CREATE A SERVICE IN A CERTAIN
08/27/09 11:20:40 AREA, I GUESS.
08/27/09 11:20:42 I MEAN, IT DOESN'T, WHEN I READ
08/27/09 11:20:43 THIS.
08/27/09 11:20:45 IT DOESN'T SOUND AS RESTRICTIVE
08/27/09 11:20:47 AS THE WAY THAT IS THE IT
08/27/09 11:20:49 SOUNDED WHEN YOU TALKED IT.
08/27/09 11:20:51 CAN'T MAYBE I NEED TO CLARIFY
08/27/09 11:20:52 THAT.
08/27/09 11:20:54 >> THE MAJORITY OF THE LAND USE
08/27/09 11:20:55 DECISIONS YOU MAKE.
08/27/09 11:20:59 >> CELL TOWERS
08/27/09 11:20:59 ARE HIGHLY
08/27/09 11:21:00 REGULATED INDUSTRY.
08/27/09 11:21:03 WHERE YOU HAVE TO NOT
08/27/09 11:21:04 JUST BE
08/27/09 11:21:07 COG NISSAN ORDEAL WITH AN
08/27/09 11:21:10 INDIVIDUAL APPLICATION, THAT
08/27/09 11:21:12 OUR ABILITY TO REGULATE THOSE
08/27/09 11:21:15 PRO SIMPSONS WITHIN THE
08/27/09 11:21:17 FEDERAL --PREEMPTIONS AND YOU
08/27/09 11:21:20 CAN'T LISTEN TO DEAL WITH OR BE
08/27/09 11:21:22 REACTIVE TO HILL DEFECTS.
08/27/09 11:21:24 AS IT RELATES TO STATE
08/27/09 11:21:26 REGULATIONS, YOU HAVE TO BE
08/27/09 11:21:27 COG
08/27/09 11:21:27 NISSAN.
08/27/09 11:21:30 >> I UNDER THAT.
08/27/09 11:21:32 I AM LOOKING AT SPECIFIC
08/27/09 11:21:32 SECTION HERE.
08/27/09 11:21:35 THAT'S ALL I WAS TALKING
08/27/09 11:21:35 ABOUT.
08/27/09 11:21:39 >> I
08/27/09 11:21:39 AM SORRY.
08/27/09 11:21:39 GO AHEAD.
08/27/09 11:21:40 >> JUST A FEW PRELIMINARY
08/27/09 11:21:41 QUESTIONS AND THEN I THINK I
08/27/09 11:21:43 HAVE SOME QUESTIONS AFTER WE
08/27/09 11:21:46 HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC.
08/27/09 11:21:48 BECAUSE IT IS THE PUBLIC WHO IS
08/27/09 11:21:51 PUNISHING THIS
08/27/09 11:21:52 ISSUE VERY HARD.
08/27/09 11:21:54 AND JULIA, I AGREE WITH YOU.
08/27/09 11:21:57 WE CAN'T UNDER ALL THESE
08/27/09 11:21:59 FEDERAL AND STATE CONSTRAINTS.
08/27/09 11:22:01 WE CAN'T GO TOO FAR IN CHANGING
08/27/09 11:22:02 THIS.
08/27/09 11:22:04 AND PRO HIBING CELL TOWERS OR
08/27/09 11:22:05 ANYTHING LIKE THIS.
08/27/09 11:22:06 YOU ARE NOT SAYING WE CAN'T
08/27/09 11:22:09 LOOK AT THIS AND TWEAK IT UP.
08/27/09 11:22:11 WITHIN THE CONSTRAINTS THE
08/27/09 11:22:13 FEDERAL AND STATE GUIDELINESES.
08/27/09 11:22:15 >> ESPECIALLY NOT SAYING YOU
08/27/09 11:22:16 CAN'T TWEAK YOUR REGULATIONS
08/27/09 11:22:19 YOU HAVE TO DO SO IN COMPLIANCE
08/27/09 11:22:22 WITH THESE REGULATIONS.
08/27/09 11:22:24 >> KATHY SPOKE TO, I THINK 59
08/27/09 11:22:27 TOWERS THAT ARE LISTED ON THE
08/27/09 11:22:27 MAP.
08/27/09 11:22:29 THOSE ONLY THE PUBLIC TOWERS,
08/27/09 11:22:32 THE ONES
08/27/09 11:22:33 ON PUBLIC PROPERTY?
08/27/09 11:22:35 >> CATHY KYLE FOR THE RECORD.
08/27/09 11:22:38 >> THOSE ARE THE SITES THAT ARE
08/27/09 11:22:39 PUBLIC FACILITIES YES.
08/27/09 11:22:41 >> DO WE KNOW WHERE THE PRIVATE
08/27/09 11:22:42 TOWERS ARE.
08/27/09 11:22:44 >> NO, WE DON'T KEEP TRACK OF
08/27/09 11:22:46 THEM IN THAT WAY.
08/27/09 11:22:46 >> OKAY.
08/27/09 11:22:50 AND I THINK IT MIGHT BE
08/27/09 11:22:51 HELPFUL
08/27/09 11:22:51 FOR FUTURE REFERENCE.
08/27/09 11:22:53 DEPENING ON WHERE IT GOES.
08/27/09 11:22:56 THAT WE HAVE AN IDEA WHERE THE
08/27/09 11:22:58 PRIVATE TOWERS ARE TOO AM AND
08/27/09 11:23:00 IF SOMEONE COMES IN AND SAY,
08/27/09 11:23:03 THERE IS NOT ADEQUATE COVERAGE,
08/27/09 11:23:05 WHEN WE CAN'T NECESSARILY
08/27/09 11:23:08 ADDRESS THAT AND KNOW WHERE
08/27/09 11:23:11 THEY ARE IN PUBLIC LANDS AND
08/27/09 11:23:13 WHICHS ME TO ANOTHER QUESTION.
08/27/09 11:23:16 >> WHO DETERMINES IT IS
08/27/09 11:23:16 ADEQUATE COVERAGE.
08/27/09 11:23:18 I HAVE BEEN TO SYSTEM OF THE
08/27/09 11:23:21 HEARINGS AND THE ONLY
08/27/09 11:23:22 PERSON
08/27/09 11:23:25 WITH TECHNICAL SKILLS IS THE
08/27/09 11:23:25 SCIENTISTS THERE.
08/27/09 11:23:28 SAYING WE HAVE INADEQUATE
08/27/09 11:23:29 COVERAGE.
08/27/09 11:23:32 AND THEN IT CAN'T BE REBUTTED
08/27/09 11:23:33 BY STAFF OR ANYTHING.
08/27/09 11:23:35 AND THEN IS THAT ADDRESSED IN
08/27/09 11:23:38 THE FEDERAL OR THE STATE
08/27/09 11:23:38 REGULARS.
08/27/09 11:23:39 THAT IS --REGS.
08/27/09 11:23:42 AND THAT IS AN
08/27/09 11:23:43 INTERESTING
08/27/09 11:23:45 QUESTION, THEY WIND UNTHIS
08/27/09 11:23:47 PROAL AND THEY PUT IN
08/27/09 11:23:49 REGULATION THAT IS REQUIRED
08/27/09 11:23:50 SOME KIND OF INCOMPETENCE PENT
08/27/09 11:23:53 STUDY OR SOME OTHER KIND OF
08/27/09 11:23:55 REVIEW AS TO ADEQUATE COVERAGE.
08/27/09 11:23:58 THE STATE REGULATIONS MAKE IT
08/27/09 11:23:59 MORE DIFFICULT.
08/27/09 11:24:01 BUS THE WAY THESE ARE DRAFTED,
08/27/09 11:24:04 A LOCAL GOVERNMENT ISN'T
08/27/09 11:24:06 ALLOWED TO ON FIRST PLUSH HAVE
08/27/09 11:24:07 THE QUESTION ASKED.
08/27/09 11:24:09 HOW DO YOU DEFINE ADEQUATE
08/27/09 11:24:10 COVERAGE.
08/27/09 11:24:12 IT IS ONLY IF THAT IS NECESSARY
08/27/09 11:24:14 TO PROVE UP SOMETHING.
08/27/09 11:24:16 >> AND IT IS HARD TO EXPLAIN
08/27/09 11:24:18 HOW IT WOULD WORK AM AND WE ARE
08/27/09 11:24:21 NOT ALLOWED TO
08/27/09 11:24:22 ASK THE
08/27/09 11:24:25 QUESTIONS OPERON ACQUIRE
08/27/09 11:24:26 BUSINESS INFORMATION FROM THE
08/27/09 11:24:28 GOVERNMENT AND WE HAVE BEEN
08/27/09 11:24:31 ALLY BIT IMPEDED IN
08/27/09 11:24:32 MAKING THAT
08/27/09 11:24:35 DETERMINATION
08/27/09 11:24:37 THROUGH THE STATE
08/27/09 11:24:38 REGULATIONS . IF YOU LOOK AT IT,
08/27/09 11:24:39 I AM VERY
08/27/09 11:24:40 INTERESTED IN THAT TOO.
08/27/09 11:24:42 HAVING SPENT TIME ON THIS
08/27/09 11:24:42 ISSUE.
08/27/09 11:24:44 AND GOING THROUGH THE ISSUE AT
08/27/09 11:24:46 THE COUNTY TO SEE THAT A 12, I
08/27/09 11:24:49 THINK IT
08/27/09 11:24:51 IS SUB SECTION 12.
08/27/09 11:24:53 B, IS WHAT IT IS.
08/27/09 11:24:54 THEY WRITE THESE THINGS AND IT
08/27/09 11:24:55 IS HARD TO FIGURE OUT WHAT
08/27/09 11:24:57 LETTER AND NUMBER YOU ARE ON.
08/27/09 11:24:59 WHEN YOU READ THAT.
08/27/09 11:25:00 IT IS QUITE A LIMITATION FROM
08/27/09 11:25:02 LOCAL GOVERNMENTS AND A LOT OF
08/27/09 11:25:03 LOCAL GOVERNMENTS WERE GOING
08/27/09 11:25:05 THROUGH THE PROCESS AND
08/27/09 11:25:06 ACTUALLY PUT LANGUAGE IN.
08/27/09 11:25:09 AND YOU HAVE IT IN
08/27/09 11:25:12 THE
08/27/09 11:25:15 CODE
08/27/09 11:25:17 TODAY THAT REQUIRES BUSINESS
08/27/09 11:25:20 INFORMATION AND I SAW
08/27/09 11:25:21 THE STATE
08/27/09 11:25:24 REGULATION ENCOURAGES, THAT'S
08/27/09 11:25:27 12 A, ENCOURAGES
08/27/09 11:25:27 COLOCATIONS.
08/27/09 11:25:30 IT DOESN'T MAN MANNED DATE
08/27/09 11:25:33 COLOCATIONS I THINK --MANNED
08/27/09 11:25:33 DATE.
08/27/09 11:25:36 AND CAN CAN WE MANNED DATE
08/27/09 11:25:38 COLAKE TION.
08/27/09 11:25:39 >> --MANDATE.
08/27/09 11:25:42 >> WE HAVE SIMILAR EDGE
08/27/09 11:25:43 COURAGEMENT WANTS AND SAYS
08/27/09 11:25:45 THAT'S THE FIRST WAY YOU SHOULD
08/27/09 11:25:46 TO AND REQUIRE A BUILDING
08/27/09 11:25:49 PERMIT TO GET AN ADDITIONAL
08/27/09 11:25:50 ANTENNAE ON A TOWER.
08/27/09 11:25:51 HAVE WE GONE FURTHER AND CAN
08/27/09 11:25:53 YOU GO FURTHER TO MANDATE IT.
08/27/09 11:25:55 YOU KNOW, I DON'T HAVE THE
08/27/09 11:25:57 ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION RIGHT
08/27/09 11:25:58 NOW.
08/27/09 11:25:59 >> THE COLOCATION LANGUAGE IN
08/27/09 11:26:01 THE STATE STATUTE, I READ IT
08/27/09 11:26:01 QUICKLY RIGHT NOW.
08/27/09 11:26:04 SEEMS TO BE IF WILL IS AN
08/27/09 11:26:05 EXISTING TOWER.
08/27/09 11:26:07 AND SOMEONE WANTS TO COLOCATE
08/27/09 11:26:07 ON IT.
08/27/09 11:26:10 AND YOU DON'T WANT TO GO
08/27/09 11:26:11 THROUGH LOCAL STUFF.
08/27/09 11:26:13 AND YOU KNOW, LOCAL RULES AND
08/27/09 11:26:16 REGULARS TO DO THAT AND PUT UP
08/27/09 11:26:16 AN ADDITIONAL ANTENNAE.
08/27/09 11:26:18 I AM FINE WITH THAT.
08/27/09 11:26:21 AND IT IS THE MAIN ISSUE AM AND
08/27/09 11:26:23 HOW MANY ANTENNAS ARE HANGING
08/27/09 11:26:24 ON IT USUALLY.
08/27/09 11:26:26 AND WHAT I AM WONDERING ABOUT
08/27/09 11:26:29 IS IF SOMEONE WANTS TO PUT UP A
08/27/09 11:26:31 NEW TOWER.
08/27/09 11:26:32 AND TO ME, THERE SHOULD BE AN
08/27/09 11:26:33 EXAMINER CEASE.
08/27/09 11:26:36 IF WE CAN DO IT UNSTATE
08/27/09 11:26:36 AND
08/27/09 11:26:39 FEDERAL REGS AND SAY THEY
08/27/09 11:26:42 SHOULD HAVE
08/27/09 11:26:43 TO PROVE THEY
08/27/09 11:26:43 EXHAUSTED THIS FIRST BEFORE
08/27/09 11:26:45 THEY PUT UP A NEW TOWER.
08/27/09 11:26:48 AND I WOULD LIKE US TO LOOK AT
08/27/09 11:26:49 THAT AS WE PROCEED.
08/27/09 11:26:51 IF YOU TAUPE KNOW THE ANSWER
08/27/09 11:26:52 TODAY.
08/27/09 11:26:53 >> --IF YOU DON'T KNOW THE
08/27/09 11:26:54 ANSWER.
08/27/09 11:26:57 >> A
08/27/09 11:26:57 LOT OF JURISDICTIONS,
08/27/09 11:26:59 HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY WAS ONE AND
08/27/09 11:27:02 CITY OF TAMPA, WAS A LITTLE
08/27/09 11:27:04 STRONGER ON THE COUNTY END
08/27/09 11:27:06 REQUIRE PROVIDERS TO
08/27/09 11:27:07 DEMONSTRATE THEY CONIF ON
08/27/09 11:27:07 ANOTHER TOWER.
08/27/09 11:27:09 AND YOU WILL HAVE TO BALANCE
08/27/09 11:27:11 THAT WITH THE NEW LANGUAGE
08/27/09 11:27:12 WITHIN THE STATE REGULATION
08/27/09 11:27:14 THAT DOES LIMIT THE ABILITY TO
08/27/09 11:27:17 REGULATE HOW THE BUSINESS
08/27/09 11:27:18 DECISION IS MADE.
08/27/09 11:27:19 AND I, LIKE I SAID.
08/27/09 11:27:21 I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY PLAY
08/27/09 11:27:21 TOGETHER.
08/27/09 11:27:24 >> MAYBE IT AS TECH ANYTHINGAL
08/27/09 11:27:27 DECISION AS COMPARED
08/27/09 11:27:30 TO A
08/27/09 11:27:30 BUSINESS DECISION.
08/27/09 11:27:31 ANY WAY.
08/27/09 11:27:31 THE OTHER THING, I DON'T KNOW
08/27/09 11:27:34 IF IT IS A QUESTION OR
08/27/09 11:27:34 STATEMENT.
08/27/09 11:27:35 THIS FIRST CAME UP.
08/27/09 11:27:36 MOST RECENTLY IN THE LAST TWO
08/27/09 11:27:39 OR THREE YEARS AND
08/27/09 11:27:42 IN
08/27/09 11:27:45 THE
08/27/09 11:27:48 CONTEXT OF SCHOOL.
08/27/09 11:27:57 >> THEY ARE
08/27/09 11:27:58 LOOSE IN HOW THEY
08/27/09 11:28:01 RETREAT TOWERS GOING
08/27/09 11:28:04 UP ON OUR
08/27/09 11:28:06 OWN PROPERTY AND OTHER
08/27/09 11:28:06 PROPERTY.
08/27/09 11:28:07 BASICALLY, LOOKING AT OUR CODE.
08/27/09 11:28:10 WE HAVE THE BIG SORT OF
08/27/09 11:28:11 EXCEPTIONS INTEREST.
08/27/09 11:28:14 UNDER C ONE, TWO, THREE, AND
08/27/09 11:28:16 FOUR, FIVE AND SIX, THAT SPEAK
08/27/09 11:28:19 TO TOWERS ON CITY OWNED
08/27/09 11:28:22 PROPERTIES AND TOWERS
08/27/09 11:28:25 ON CITY
08/27/09 11:28:26 PARK LANDS.
08/27/09 11:28:27 I KNOW THE HISTORY ON THIS IN
08/27/09 11:28:29 TERMS OF, WE ARE TRYING TO
08/27/09 11:28:32 ENCOURAGE IT TO GO
08/27/09 11:28:35 ON THE
08/27/09 11:28:37 PUBLIC LANDS.
08/27/09 11:28:40 AND IT IS OKAY TO HAVE AVERAGE
08/27/09 11:28:42 COVERAGE IN THE CITY.
08/27/09 11:28:43 AND MAYBE WE ARE AT THAT POINT
08/27/09 11:28:43 NOW.
08/27/09 11:28:46 AND I
08/27/09 11:28:49 DON'T KNOW WHY WE WOULD
08/27/09 11:28:50 TREAT CITY LANDS.
08/27/09 11:28:51 UTILITY LANDS.
08/27/09 11:28:53 SCHOOL LANDS ANY DIFFERENTLY
08/27/09 11:28:56 THAN WE WOULD TREAT PRIVATE
08/27/09 11:28:56 PROPERTY.
08/27/09 11:28:59 FORECAST, WHAT IF I OPENED A
08/27/09 11:29:00 PIG ABOUT PIECE OF PRIVATE
08/27/09 11:29:03 PROPERTY IN THE CITY LIMITS AND
08/27/09 11:29:05 I HAVE TO GO THROUGH A
08/27/09 11:29:05 DIFFERENT PROCESS.
08/27/09 11:29:08 AND THEN IF I WAS A PUBLIC
08/27/09 11:29:10 ENTITY OWNING FIVE ACRES OF
08/27/09 11:29:13 PROPERTY AND PUT UP THE SAME
08/27/09 11:29:14 CELL TOWER.
08/27/09 11:29:15 AND I DON'T REALLY UNDER THE
08/27/09 11:29:17 DEFERENCE AND JUST MY OPINION,
08/27/09 11:29:20 I WANT TO HEAR
08/27/09 11:29:20 FROM THE PUBLIC.
08/27/09 11:29:21 AND THERE ARE TWO SIDES ON THE
08/27/09 11:29:24 ISSUE THAT ARE GOING TO COME
08/27/09 11:29:27 SPEAK
08/27/09 11:29:27 TO THIS.
08/27/09 11:29:30 >> I THINK IF WE REQUIRE THE
08/27/09 11:29:33 JOE CITIZEN OR JOSEPHINE
08/27/09 11:29:36 CITIZEN TO HAVE A THEN JOE
08/27/09 11:29:37 PUBLIC LANDOWNER SHOULD HAVE A
08/27/09 11:29:38 PUBLIC HEARING ON IT.
08/27/09 11:29:40 IT IS NOT NECESSARILY A
08/27/09 11:29:40 QUESTION.
08/27/09 11:29:42 >> THE THING I NEED TO POINT
08/27/09 11:29:42 OUT.
08/27/09 11:29:45 YOU HAVE THREE DIFFERENT
08/27/09 11:29:46 CATEGORIES, THE PUBLIC
08/27/09 11:29:48 FACILITIES THAT DON'T HAVE
08/27/09 11:29:49 STANDARDS WITH NO PUBLIC
08/27/09 11:29:50 HEARING EXCEPT A RESOLUTION TO
08/27/09 11:29:53 PUT IT ON A MAP.
08/27/09 11:29:55 CERTAIN ZONING DISTRICTS IN A
08/27/09 11:29:57 CI AND CATHY CAN GET UP THERE
08/27/09 11:30:00 AND REMIND ME OF THE OTHER ONES
08/27/09 11:30:03 WHERE YOU ALSO DON'T NEED TO GO
08/27/09 11:30:06 THROUGH A PUBLIC
08/27/09 11:30:06 HEARING
08/27/09 11:30:08 PROCESS, YOU GET THE PERMIT AS
08/27/09 11:30:08 A RIGHT.
08/27/09 11:30:11 AND IT IS SOMETHING THAT
08/27/09 11:30:11 OCCURS.
08/27/09 11:30:14 UNLESS THERE IS A WAIVER
08/27/09 11:30:14 NECESSARY.
08/27/09 11:30:16 >> AND THIRD CLASSIFICATION.
08/27/09 11:30:18 THAT REQUIRES A S TWO PUBLIC
08/27/09 11:30:18 HEARING.
08/27/09 11:30:19 >> I UNTHAT.
08/27/09 11:30:22 AND IF I HAVE A PUBLIC
08/27/09 11:30:23 PIECE OF
08/27/09 11:30:23 PROPERTY.
08/27/09 11:30:25 A TINY LITTLE FIRE STATION IN
08/27/09 11:30:27 THE WEST OF TAMPA.
08/27/09 11:30:29 AND SOMEONE ENTICES THE CITY,
08/27/09 11:30:29 FIRE DEPARTMENT.
08/27/09 11:30:31 THEY NEED REVENUE THESE DAYS
08/27/09 11:30:34 AND SAY, FIRE DEPARTMENT, WE
08/27/09 11:30:37 WILL GIVE YOU 50
08/27/09 11:30:38 GRAND A YEAR.
08/27/09 11:30:39 FOR A 50,000.
08/27/09 11:30:40 UP ON THE PROPERTY T DOESN'T
08/27/09 11:30:43 MATTER IF THERE
08/27/09 11:30:44 IS RESIDENTIAL
08/27/09 11:30:46 PROPERTY RIGHT NEXT DEER.
08/27/09 11:30:47 AND THERE ARE.
08/27/09 11:30:50 >> IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT
08/27/09 11:30:50 STRICT IT IS.
08/27/09 11:30:53 AND SOMETHING YOU
08/27/09 11:30:55 SAID AWHILE
08/27/09 11:30:55 BECOME.
08/27/09 11:30:56 TRAITING OURSELVES DIFFERENTLY.
08/27/09 11:30:58 REMEMBER, YOU SAID THAT ABOUT
08/27/09 11:30:59 THE STREET SIGNS.
08/27/09 11:31:01 >> I WOULD TREAT MYSELF
08/27/09 11:31:01 DIFFERENTLY.
08/27/09 11:31:04 >> YOU KNOW WHAT I AM SAYING.
08/27/09 11:31:06 ABOUT THE BEENERS AND SHOULDN'T
08/27/09 11:31:07 TREAT OURSELVES DIFFERENTLY.
08/27/09 11:31:10 >> WELL, NOT FOR ME, YOU D AND
08/27/09 11:31:11 I AM WITH YOU.
08/27/09 11:31:14 THE BOTTOM LINE IS I THINK IT
08/27/09 11:31:16 IS THE SAME TYPE OF THING.
08/27/09 11:31:17 AT THE PUBLIC SECTOR WE SHOULD
08/27/09 11:31:19 TREAT OUR LAND IN THE SAME WAY
08/27/09 11:31:22 WE TREAT THE PRIVATE LAND
08/27/09 11:31:23 AND
08/27/09 11:31:25 IN MOST CASES, IT SHOULD
08/27/09 11:31:27 REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING.
08/27/09 11:31:28 >> ANYTHING ELSE FROM STAFF?
08/27/09 11:31:29 >> OKAY.
08/27/09 11:31:32 WE WILL
08/27/09 11:31:33 GO TO THE PUBLIC.
08/27/09 11:31:35 THOSE WHO WISH TO ADDRESS
08/27/09 11:31:36 COUNCIL MAY COME FORWARD.
08/27/09 11:31:39 WE HAVE A TOLL OF 30
08/27/09 11:31:39 MINUTES.
08/27/09 11:31:39 THAT'S IT.
08/27/09 11:31:42 >> YOU WANT TO TO ALTERNATE.
08/27/09 11:31:45 IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE
08/27/09 11:31:46 TWO
08/27/09 11:31:47 DIFFERENT COLOR SHIRTS.
08/27/09 11:31:49 >> HOW MANY PEOPLE WANT TO
08/27/09 11:31:49 SPEAK.
08/27/09 11:31:50 LINE UP PLEASE.
08/27/09 11:31:51 SO WE CAN GET A FEEL.
08/27/09 11:31:54 HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE
08/27/09 11:31:56 GOING TO BE
08/27/09 11:31:56 SPEAKING.
08/27/09 11:31:58 >> YOU WANT TO SPEAK.
08/27/09 11:32:01 >> YOU
08/27/09 11:32:02 NEED TO RAISE YOUR
08/27/09 11:32:02 HAPPENED.
08/27/09 11:32:05 I WANT YOU TO UN.
08/27/09 11:32:06 IT IS 1130.
08/27/09 11:32:08 WE ARE SET TO ADJOURN AT 12.
08/27/09 11:32:11 WE ONLY
08/27/09 11:32:14 HAVE 30 MINUTES PERIOD.
08/27/09 11:32:17 THANK YOU,
08/27/09 11:32:18 MIKE RESTEN BERG.
08/27/09 11:32:19 I WOULD LIKE TO HAND OUT HARD
08/27/09 11:32:21 COPIES OF THE ORDINANCE THAT
08/27/09 11:32:24 OUR GROUP AGAINST
08/27/09 11:32:27 CELL TOWERS
08/27/09 11:32:30 HAS PROPOSED.
08/27/09 11:32:39 TWO FREERY
08/27/09 11:32:41 SUM RAISE THE
08/27/09 11:32:41 DOCUMENT.
08/27/09 11:32:43 IT IS CELL TOWERS ON SCHOOL
08/27/09 11:32:46 SITES AND FIRE
08/27/09 11:32:47 STATIONS ALONG
08/27/09 11:32:50 THE LINES AND FROM HOMES AND
08/27/09 11:32:53 SCHOOLS AND
08/27/09 11:32:56 ENHANCE BUFFERS AS
08/27/09 11:32:59 WELL AND INSURANCE
08/27/09 11:33:01 REQUIREMENTS.
08/27/09 11:33:03 AND PROBABLY SHOULD INCLUDE A
08/27/09 11:33:04 SECTION THERE AND THE
08/27/09 11:33:07 OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO
08/27/09 11:33:10 SPEAK
08/27/09 11:33:11 ON THESE MATTERS.
08/27/09 11:33:12 AND THE QUESTION.
08/27/09 11:33:15 WHY DO WE NEED THIS PROTECTION.
08/27/09 11:33:18 BECAUSE OF THE ALLOWANCE OF
08/27/09 11:33:19 PUBLIC PLANS TO BE USED AS CELL
08/27/09 11:33:20 TOWERS.
08/27/09 11:33:21 WE BRING COMMERCIAL LAND USE
08/27/09 11:33:22 THAT LOOKS MORE LIKE THE
08/27/09 11:33:25 INDUSTRIAL FACILITY AND SEE THE
08/27/09 11:33:25 PICTURES.
08/27/09 11:33:28 >> THIS IS A COMPOUND THE SIZE
08/27/09 11:33:29 OF A 7-11 WITH MASSIVE
08/27/09 11:33:32 ELECTRICAL EQUIPMENT IN IT AND
08/27/09 11:33:33 LOOKS LIKE AN INDUSTRIAL
08/27/09 11:33:36 FACILITY AND THAT IS NOT
08/27/09 11:33:39 CONSISTENT WITH THE
08/27/09 11:33:40 ESTHETICS
08/27/09 11:33:42 AND WHAT MISS COLE HAD
08/27/09 11:33:43 DISCUSSED AND IS ALLOWED TO BE
08/27/09 11:33:46 DISCUSSED IN THE LAND USE
08/27/09 11:33:46 DECISIONS.
08/27/09 11:33:48 >> ALSO, NOT RELATING TO LAND
08/27/09 11:33:50 USE MATTERS BUT THE SCHOOL
08/27/09 11:33:53 BOARD ALLOW AS DEVELOPER TO BUY
08/27/09 11:33:53 THE LAND USE.
08/27/09 11:33:55 WITH A 30 YEAR LEASE.
08/27/09 11:33:57 I FIND IT GREAT CONCERN AND
08/27/09 11:34:00 SHORT SIGHTED TO OLU THE
08/27/09 11:34:02 CURRENT ADMINISTRATION TO
08/27/09 11:34:03 COMMIT PUBLIC PROPERTY FOR
08/27/09 11:34:05 PRIVATE USE FOR SO LONG.
08/27/09 11:34:07 LOOK AT THE CITY IN TAMPA AND
08/27/09 11:34:09 THE SCHOOL FACILITIES CONTINUE
08/27/09 11:34:11 TO EXPAND AND THEY GET
08/27/09 11:34:13 ADDITIONAL BUILDINGS AND MAY
08/27/09 11:34:16 NOT BE COMPATIBLE WITH A CELL
08/27/09 11:34:16 TOWER.
08/27/09 11:34:19 WHY LOCK UP THE LAND WHICH IS
08/27/09 11:34:21 PART OF THE PUB LIB TRUST FOR A
08/27/09 11:34:23 PRIVATE DEVELOPER WHEN IT WILL
08/27/09 11:34:25 TAILBACK NEEDED FOR A FUTURE
08/27/09 11:34:26 USE.
08/27/09 11:34:29 YOU ALSO HEAR,
08/27/09 11:34:31 WE NEED THE
08/27/09 11:34:34 MONEY.
08/27/09 11:34:38 WE READ ABOUT A REDEVELOPMENT
08/27/09 11:34:40 AGENT SERVE BALANCE THAT THE
08/27/09 11:34:43 SCHOOL BOARD HAS AND
08/27/09 11:34:45 INCOME OF
08/27/09 11:34:46 250 TO 200,000 A YEAR.
08/27/09 11:34:47 AND THE INCOME JUSTIFY THE
08/27/09 11:34:49 PRESENCE OF COMMERCIAL OR
08/27/09 11:34:52 INDUSTRIAL LOOKING LAND USE
08/27/09 11:34:53 IN
08/27/09 11:34:53 OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.
08/27/09 11:34:56 >> THE ONLY TIME THEY BENEFIT
08/27/09 11:34:56 ONE COMPANY.
08/27/09 11:34:58 TO ALLOW THE COMPANY TO PUT IT
08/27/09 11:35:00 IN THE NEIGHBORS AND STRONG
08/27/09 11:35:01 PROTECTION AGAINST THAT.
08/27/09 11:35:04 AND WITH
08/27/09 11:35:07 THAT
08/27/09 11:35:08 PROPOSED
08/27/09 11:35:08 ORDINANCE.
08/27/09 11:35:09 ACCOMPLISHES JUST THAT.
08/27/09 11:35:12 WE WOULD BE GLAD TO DISCUSS ANY
08/27/09 11:35:12 QUESTIONS.
08/27/09 11:35:14 >> NEXT SPEAKER.
08/27/09 11:35:15 >> MR. PORTER, THE LADY BEHIND
08/27/09 11:35:15 YOU.
08/27/09 11:35:16 YOU ARE GOING TO BE SPEAKING
08/27/09 11:35:19 MA'AM, SHE IS THE LAST SPEAKER,
08/27/09 11:35:19 OKAY.
08/27/09 11:35:21 >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
08/27/09 11:35:24 >> I ALSO HEARD A CONVERSATION
08/27/09 11:35:25 EARLIER.
08/27/09 11:35:26 I HAVE PERMISSION FROM ANOTHER
08/27/09 11:35:29 PERSON WHO GAVE ME THEIR TIME
08/27/09 11:35:35 IF THAT'S STILL ACCEPTABLE.
08/27/09 11:35:38 YOU
08/27/09 11:35:41 HAVE AN ADDITIONAL
08/27/09 11:35:43 MEN.
08/27/09 11:35:45 >> THANK YOU.
08/27/09 11:35:48 >> AND RAY DAMORA, YOU GET
08/27/09 11:35:49 AN
08/27/09 11:35:50 ADDITIONAL MINUTE.
08/27/09 11:35:50 >> BILL COOK.
08/27/09 11:35:51 NEPTUNE STREET.
08/27/09 11:35:53 I REALLY TWO PARTS OF MY
08/27/09 11:35:56 CONVERSATION TO SAVE THIS
08/27/09 11:35:56 MORNING.
08/27/09 11:35:58 FIRST, BECAUSE IT WAS BROUGHT
08/27/09 11:35:58 UP SEVERAL TIMES.
08/27/09 11:36:01 I WAS ON THE TASK FORCE TO
08/27/09 11:36:02 HELP
08/27/09 11:36:03 DESIGN AND DRAFT THE REGULATION
08/27/09 11:36:06 THAT YOU HAVE THAT WAS
08/27/09 11:36:06 RECREATED.
08/27/09 11:36:07 >> I WAS A CITIZEN AND MEMBER
08/27/09 11:36:09 OF FAN AT THE TIME.
08/27/09 11:36:12 SO YOU KNOW, THAT
08/27/09 11:36:15 TASK FORCE
08/27/09 11:36:17 TRULY WAS A SHAM.
08/27/09 11:36:20 WE WERE LED LIKE LAMBS TO THE
08/27/09 11:36:20 SLAUGHTER.
08/27/09 11:36:22 WE HAD NO SKILLS TO DRAFT ANY
08/27/09 11:36:26 LAND USE CODE AS SOMETHING AS
08/27/09 11:36:27 COMPLEX AS CELL TOWERS.
08/27/09 11:36:29 THE WIRELESS INDUSTRY HAD
08/27/09 11:36:31 EXPERTS, ENGINEERS AND LAWYERS
08/27/09 11:36:32 IN THE MEETING.
08/27/09 11:36:34 WE WERE TOLL WHAT WE COULD AND
08/27/09 11:36:35 COULDN'T DO.
08/27/09 11:36:37 AND WHEN THE PROPOSAL WAS
08/27/09 11:36:39 PRESENTED AND OBJECTED AS A
08/27/09 11:36:41 MEMBER OF FAN TO THE PROPOSAL
08/27/09 11:36:43 COMING OUT OF THAT TASK FORCE.
08/27/09 11:36:45 WE DID NOT SUPPORT IT.
08/27/09 11:36:47 TO SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT.
08/27/09 11:36:49 IT WASN'T AN EASY PROCESS.
08/27/09 11:36:51 AND MOVING ON TO THE SECOND
08/27/09 11:36:51 PART.
08/27/09 11:36:54 WE KNOW WHO SPEAKS FOR THE
08/27/09 11:36:54 TOWER BUILDERS WIRELESS
08/27/09 11:36:55 COMPANIES.
08/27/09 11:36:58 THEY ARE REPRESENTED
08/27/09 11:36:59 BY PAID
08/27/09 11:36:59 CONSULTANTS.
08/27/09 11:37:00 LOBBYISTS HERE IN TAMPA AND
08/27/09 11:37:02 SPECIAL INTEREST MONEY AND WHO
08/27/09 11:37:05 SPEAKS FOR THE PEOPLE AND THE
08/27/09 11:37:07 RETOURED COUPLE LIVING NEXT
08/27/09 11:37:08 DOOR TO ORANGE GROVE MIDDLE
08/27/09 11:37:11 SCHOOL ON EAST 38th AVENUE
08/27/09 11:37:13 AND THE NEWLY WEDNESDAY WHO
08/27/09 11:37:15 MOVED TO TAMPA AND BOUGHT A
08/27/09 11:37:17 HOME NEXT TO A SCHOOL WAS A
08/27/09 11:37:18 GREAT IDEA.
08/27/09 11:37:19 CITY COUNCIL SPEAKS FOR THE
08/27/09 11:37:20 PEOPLE.
08/27/09 11:37:21 THAT'S WHO SPEAKS FOR THE
08/27/09 11:37:22 PEOPLE.
08/27/09 11:37:24 SCHOOLS IN THE CITY ARE UNIQUE
08/27/09 11:37:26 BECAUSE THEY SIT IN PART AND
08/27/09 11:37:27 REPRESENT PART OF OUR
08/27/09 11:37:27 NEIGHBORS.
08/27/09 11:37:29 THEY CONTRIBUTE TO OUR SENSE OF
08/27/09 11:37:30 PLACE.
08/27/09 11:37:33 AND THEY CONTRIBUTE TO WHAT IS
08/27/09 11:37:33 GOOD ABOUT TAMPA.
08/27/09 11:37:35 ALLOWING TOWERS IN SCHOOLS IS A
08/27/09 11:37:38 PERMITTED RIGHT AND IT AS BAD
08/27/09 11:37:38 IDEA.
08/27/09 11:37:40 I DON'T THINK ANYONE REALIZED
08/27/09 11:37:41 THE CONSEQUENCES OF THOSE
08/27/09 11:37:43 DECISIONS SEVEN OR EIGHT YEARS
08/27/09 11:37:43 AGO.
08/27/09 11:37:45 WE HAVE SEEN FIRST HAND WHEN
08/27/09 11:37:47 YOU ALLOW THE SCHOOL BOARD TO
08/27/09 11:37:49 THEIR OWN DEVICES AND THE
08/27/09 11:37:50 DECISIONS THEY MAKE.
08/27/09 11:37:52 THIS IS THE DECISION THEY MAKE.
08/27/09 11:37:54 THEY MAKE THE DECISION TO PUT A
08/27/09 11:37:56 TOWER DIRECTLY NEXT TO A SCHOOL
08/27/09 11:37:57 PLAYGROUND.
08/27/09 11:38:00 THAT IS THE QUALITY OF THEIR
08/27/09 11:38:00 DECISION MAKING ABOUT LAND
08/27/09 11:38:04 USAGE AND SITING OF
08/27/09 11:38:04 TOWERS.
08/27/09 11:38:05 I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD OLU
08/27/09 11:38:06 THEM DISCRETION WITHIN OUR CITY
08/27/09 11:38:08 BOUNDARIES IF WE CAN AVOID IT.
08/27/09 11:38:11 I AM LITERALLY STANDING NEXT TO
08/27/09 11:38:12 THE BRAND NEW COVERED
08/27/09 11:38:15 PLAYGROUND AT A PUBLIC SCHOOL.
08/27/09 11:38:17 THIS FACILITY IS 90 PAY 30.
08/27/09 11:38:20 IT RISES 15 FEET ABOVE THE
08/27/09 11:38:20 FENCE.
08/27/09 11:38:22 THERE IS NO VEGETATIVE RELIEF
08/27/09 11:38:25 THAT IS GOING TO MASK THIS
08/27/09 11:38:29 MASSIVE TOWER.
08/27/09 11:38:31 CAN'T BE DONE.
08/27/09 11:38:33 THAT IS A PROBLEM AND THE TOURS
08/27/09 11:38:34 ARE MOVING FORWARD ON SCHOOL
08/27/09 11:38:37 PROPERTY AND HAS A POTENTIAL TO
08/27/09 11:38:37 BECOME ECONOMIC DISCRIMINATION.
08/27/09 11:38:39 AND WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO SEE
08/27/09 11:38:40 IS THAT THE MORE DISADVANTAGED
08/27/09 11:38:43 NEIGHBOR IT IS WILL FALL VICTIM
08/27/09 11:38:44 TO THE TOWERS.
08/27/09 11:38:47 THOSE TOWERS WILL EASILY SLIDE
08/27/09 11:38:48 INTO THE COMMUNITIES BECAUSE
08/27/09 11:38:49 THEY ARE LESS ABLE TO FIGHT THE
08/27/09 11:38:51 PLACE MEN OF THOSE TOWERS AND
08/27/09 11:38:52 HA IS WHAT THEY ARE FOG TO DO.
08/27/09 11:38:54 THEY WILL STICK THE TOWERS
08/27/09 11:38:55 WHEREVER THEY CAN.
08/27/09 11:38:56 IF YOU LOOK AROUND TAMPA, YOU
08/27/09 11:38:59 WILL SEE TONS OF TOWERS
08/27/09 11:39:01 THAT
08/27/09 11:39:04 DON'T HAVE ANY COLOCATION ON
08/27/09 11:39:05 THEM AT ALL.
08/27/09 11:39:07 IT IS SELLING TOWERS AND NOT
08/27/09 11:39:10 ABOUT THEIR SOME HOW DESIRE TO
08/27/09 11:39:11 USE OUR CELL PHONES.
08/27/09 11:39:12 FINALLY WILL YOU, WHAT YOU
08/27/09 11:39:15 SHOULD KNOW IS THAT OVER 400
08/27/09 11:39:16 PEOPLE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA
08/27/09 11:39:18 SHOWED UP TO THE SCHOOL TO
08/27/09 11:39:20 OBJECT TO A TOWER ON ONE SCHOOL
08/27/09 11:39:20 PROPERTY.
08/27/09 11:39:22 THAT MOVEMENT HAS MOVED
08/27/09 11:39:22 FORWARD.
08/27/09 11:39:25 IT IS CONTINUALLY MOVED AHEAD.
08/27/09 11:39:27 THERE IS TREMENDOUS PRESSURE
08/27/09 11:39:28 FROM COMMUNITIES AND CITIZENS
08/27/09 11:39:31 NOT TO PUT TOWERS RIGHT IN THE
08/27/09 11:39:34 HEART OF OUR SCHOOL PROPERTY.
08/27/09 11:39:35 ALSO, YOU SHOULD KNOW
08/27/09 11:39:37 MUNICIPALITIES REQUIRE A FEE
08/27/09 11:39:39 THAT THE REVIED KERR PAYS SO
08/27/09 11:39:41 THAT AN INDEPENDENT STUDY CAN
08/27/09 11:39:43 BE CONDUCTED TO DETERMINE
08/27/09 11:39:44 ACTUAL USE AND COVERAGE.
08/27/09 11:39:46 IF THAT'S POSSIBLE, WE SHOULD
08/27/09 11:39:47 DO THAT.
08/27/09 11:39:50 THEY CAN GET OFF SCOTT
08/27/09 11:39:50 SCOTT
08/27/09 11:39:51 FREE.
08/27/09 11:39:53 FINALLY, I ASK YOU TO CONSIDER
08/27/09 11:39:54 THE PROPOSED CHANGES THAT WE
08/27/09 11:39:55 HAVE SENT IN.
08/27/09 11:39:57 AND MIKE ROTHEN BERG TALKED
08/27/09 11:40:00 ABOUT, IF THEY ARE NOT
08/27/09 11:40:01 COMPLETELY ACCEPTABLE TO STAFF.
08/27/09 11:40:03 WE WOULD LOVE TO TALK ABOUT A
08/27/09 11:40:05 COMPROMISE AND I THANK YOU VERY
08/27/09 11:40:08 MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
08/27/09 11:40:09 >> THANK YOU.
08/27/09 11:40:12 >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL
08/27/09 11:40:12 MEMBERS.
08/27/09 11:40:15 I RESIDE AT WEST ESTRED BULL
08/27/09 11:40:18 FLUTAG
08/27/09 11:40:20 ELLA STREET.
08/27/09 11:40:22 >> I --EVEN THOUGH WE
08/27/09 11:40:25 PREVIOUS VEILED IN KEEPING IT
08/27/09 11:40:28 OUT --WE PREVAILED IN KEEPING
08/27/09 11:40:29 IT OUT.
08/27/09 11:40:31 THEY CAN'T BE USED TO USE GOOD
08/27/09 11:40:32 JUDGEMENT AND ACCURATE
08/27/09 11:40:35 INFORMATION IN THEIR PURSUIT OF
08/27/09 11:40:38 RAISING A MINUSCULE AMOUNT
08/27/09 11:40:38 OF
08/27/09 11:40:40 MONEY IN PLAYING TO PLACE THE
08/27/09 11:40:41 CELL TOWERS.
08/27/09 11:40:43 IF YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE
08/27/09 11:40:46 SCHOOLS, THEY ARE VERY
08/27/09 11:40:49 URBANIZED AND
08/27/09 11:40:50 CLOSE TOGETHER.
08/27/09 11:40:50 ESTRELLA STREET RUNS BETWEEN
08/27/09 11:40:54 THE TWO OF THEM AND NOWHERE TO
08/27/09 11:40:54 HEIGHT THESE.
08/27/09 11:40:56 AND THEY PROPOSE PUTTING THIS
08/27/09 11:40:59 IN A SMALL GREEN AREA NEXT TO
08/27/09 11:41:01 THE CITY'S POLL AND THE
08/27/09 11:41:03 TRACK --CITY'S POOL AND TRACK.
08/27/09 11:41:05 >> THAT'S WHERE THE CITY GATHER
08/27/09 11:41:08 IT IS BEFORE AND AFTER WORK.
08/27/09 11:41:09 WE GATHER THEY COLEMAN SCHOOL,
08/27/09 11:41:10 THE TRACK.
08/27/09 11:41:12 OR THE BALL FIELDS RIGHT THERE
08/27/09 11:41:14 OR THE POOL.
08/27/09 11:41:16 AND THIS TOWER WOULD HAVE OVER
08/27/09 11:41:18 BARED, YOU KNOW WOULD HAVE
08/27/09 11:41:20 OVERCOME ANYTHING AROUND IT.
08/27/09 11:41:22 AND THE OTHER EXAMPLE, THEY
08/27/09 11:41:23 PRESENTED INACCURATE
08/27/09 11:41:24 INFORMATION IN THEIR PURSUIT.
08/27/09 11:41:27 IN THE PUBLIC MEETING THAT WE
08/27/09 11:41:27 HAD.
08/27/09 11:41:28 WE PRESENTED A VISUAL
08/27/09 11:41:29 REPRESENTATION OF WHAT THIS
08/27/09 11:41:31 TOWER WOULD LOOK LIKE AND TOOK
08/27/09 11:41:33 A PICTURE OF THE NICE GRASSY
08/27/09 11:41:34 AREA.
08/27/09 11:41:35 AND PUT IN THE PRETTY BLUE
08/27/09 11:41:38 TOWER IN THE BACKGROUND.
08/27/09 11:41:39 AND THE DIMENSIONS DID NOT
08/27/09 11:41:40 APPEAR TO BE CORRECT AND IT
08/27/09 11:41:41 SHOWED NOTHING FOR A BASE.
08/27/09 11:41:44 IT IS THE TOWER COMING OUT THE
08/27/09 11:41:44 GROUND.
08/27/09 11:41:46 AND WE WENT AND PHOTOGRAPHED
08/27/09 11:41:48 AND BILL SHOWED YOU SOME OF THE
08/27/09 11:41:50 PHOTOGRAPHS AND HAD OTHER ONES
08/27/09 11:41:52 THAT MORE REFLECTED WHAT WE
08/27/09 11:41:53 UNDERSTOOD.
08/27/09 11:41:56 AND IT AS 30 BY 15-FOOT CAGED
08/27/09 11:41:56 PIP.
08/27/09 11:41:58 AND WITH THE ENTIRE TOP
08/27/09 11:42:00 SCREENED OFF AND 15 FEET HIGH.
08/27/09 11:42:01 IT WAS HUGE.
08/27/09 11:42:03 AND WOULD HAVE OVERCOME
08/27/09 11:42:04 ANYTHING IN THE AREA.
08/27/09 11:42:07 YET, EVEN NOW I SENT REPEATED
08/27/09 11:42:09 E-MAILS TO THE SCHOOL BOARD AND
08/27/09 11:42:10 PLEASE PRESENT AN ACCURATE
08/27/09 11:42:12 ILLUSTRATION OF WHAT THIS WOULD
08/27/09 11:42:14 LOOK LIKE IN OUR COMMUNITY AND
08/27/09 11:42:17 WHAT IT WOULD LIKE LIKE
08/27/09 11:42:17 IN THE
08/27/09 11:42:18 FRONT DOOR.
08/27/09 11:42:19 AND IT WAS IGNORED AND
08/27/09 11:42:21 CONTINUED TO PRESENT THE VERY
08/27/09 11:42:23 POOR QUALITY AND GRAPHIC
08/27/09 11:42:26 ILLUSTRATION OF A NEW POLE IN
08/27/09 11:42:27 THE BACK GROUND.
08/27/09 11:42:29 YOU CAN GO AND PARTICULAR A
08/27/09 11:42:31 PICTURE OF A REAL CELL POLE AND
08/27/09 11:42:33 TOWER WITH THE BASE AND PSALMER
08/27/09 11:42:35 IMPOSE IT ON THE AREA.
08/27/09 11:42:37 THEY DIDN'T DO THAT.
08/27/09 11:42:39 AND MY ONLY BELIEF IS, THEY
08/27/09 11:42:41 DIDN'T WANT THE PUBLIC TO SEE.
08/27/09 11:42:44 WE HAD TO SPEND OUR COMMUNITY
08/27/09 11:42:47 FOUR OR $5,000 OF OUR
08/27/09 11:42:48 OWN MAN
08/27/09 11:42:50 ANY TO PRODUCE FLYERS WITH
08/27/09 11:42:51 PICTURES OF WHAT IT WOULD LOOK
08/27/09 11:42:52 LIKE AND CIRCULATE IT WITHIN
08/27/09 11:42:54 THE COMMUNITY AND THAT'S THE
08/27/09 11:42:56 REASON WE HAD 400 PEOPLE SHOW
08/27/09 11:42:56 UP.
08/27/09 11:42:58 IF IT WASN'T FOR THE EFFORTS IT
08/27/09 11:42:59 WOULD HAVE BEEN A HANDSFUL OF
08/27/09 11:43:01 PEOPLE THAT SHOWED UP AND
08/27/09 11:43:02 PRESENTED WITH THIS GRAPHIC OF
08/27/09 11:43:06 THIS POLE THAT YOU HARDLY
08/27/09 11:43:07 SEE.
08/27/09 11:43:08 AND THAT'S JUST WRONG.
08/27/09 11:43:12 THAT WAS AN ELECTED BODY, A
08/27/09 11:43:13 PUBLIC WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD
08/27/09 11:43:15 SHOULD NOT BE DOING THAT TO THE
08/27/09 11:43:16 COMMUNITIES AND FORT RIGHT WITH
08/27/09 11:43:18 US AND TRUE AND ACCURATE
08/27/09 11:43:19 INFORMATION.
08/27/09 11:43:20 I BELIEVE WE NEED THIS
08/27/09 11:43:22 ORDINANCE TO ROW TICKET THE
08/27/09 11:43:23 NEIGHBORHOODS AND THE SCHOOL
08/27/09 11:43:26 BOARD CANNOT BE TRUSTED
08/27/09 11:43:30 TO DO
08/27/09 11:43:30 THAT.
08/27/09 11:43:33 THANK YOU.
08/27/09 11:43:36 >> I AM A CONCERNED PARENT IN
08/27/09 11:43:39 SUPPORT OF THE
08/27/09 11:43:41 TOWERS.
08/27/09 11:43:41 I HEAR.
08/27/09 11:43:42 AND TALK ABOUT ALL THE HEALTH
08/27/09 11:43:42 ISSUES.
08/27/09 11:43:43 AND I WAS ATTACKED ABOUT WATCH
08/27/09 11:43:44 MY CHILD.
08/27/09 11:43:46 IT IS RIGHT NEXT TO HIM AT THE
08/27/09 11:43:46 CLASSROOM.
08/27/09 11:43:48 I AM NOT CONCERNED, IF I LIVE
08/27/09 11:43:51 2 MILES AWAY FROM IT, BECAUSED
08/27/09 11:43:54 ON YOU WILL
08/27/09 11:43:54 THE HEALTH
08/27/09 11:43:55 STEADIES.
08/27/09 11:43:57 THAT'S WHAT I SHOULD BE
08/27/09 11:43:58 CONCERNED ABOUT.
08/27/09 11:43:58 WE HAVE AUTISTIC.
08/27/09 11:44:00 AND IT HAS GROWN DRASTICALLY IN
08/27/09 11:44:02 THE SCHOOLS AND BECAUSE THE
08/27/09 11:44:03 TOWER THAT JUST WENT UP OVER
08/27/09 11:44:06 THE SUMMER WE HAVE BEEN ABLE
08/27/09 11:44:07 TO
08/27/09 11:44:08 TAKE AND RECEIVE A $10,000
08/27/09 11:44:09 CEMENT PLACE MEN AND PUT IN
08/27/09 11:44:12 THERE SO WE CAN ENSURE OUR
08/27/09 11:44:14 AUTISTIC CHILDREN HAVE A BETTER
08/27/09 11:44:14 PLACE TO STAY.
08/27/09 11:44:16 THAT HELPS OUR SCHOOL IN THE
08/27/09 11:44:18 FUNDRAISING, WE CUT OUR FUN
08/27/09 11:44:20 RAISING DOWN TO ONE YEAR TO PUT
08/27/09 11:44:22 THE PADDING IN THAT OUR CHURN
08/27/09 11:44:23 WILL NEED TO HAVE A SAFE
08/27/09 11:44:24 ENVIRONMENT TO PLAY.
08/27/09 11:44:27 THE TOWER IS GOING
08/27/09 11:44:31 TO BET OUR
08/27/09 11:44:31 SCHOOL.
08/27/09 11:44:33 AND THE ME TODAY.
08/27/09 11:44:34 WAS ALL LOSING MONEY.
08/27/09 11:44:36 YOU THE COUNTY AND EVERYONE
08/27/09 11:44:37 ALSO COUNTY ON.
08/27/09 11:44:39 AND WHY SHOULD THEY BE ANY
08/27/09 11:44:40 DIFFERENT.
08/27/09 11:44:42 I AGREE THERE SHOULD BE PUBLIC
08/27/09 11:44:43 HEARINGS AND EVERYONE SHOULD BE
08/27/09 11:44:46 NOTIFIED AND I SAID TO THAT OUR
08/27/09 11:44:46 PRINCIPAL.
08/27/09 11:44:48 WE HAD A PUBLIC HEARING AND WE
08/27/09 11:44:50 HAD A TURN OUT AND IT WAS
08/27/09 11:44:50 SUPPORTED.
08/27/09 11:44:51 I KNOW WHEN I LEAVE HERE.
08/27/09 11:44:53 EVERYONE IS GOING IT IS I DON'T
08/27/09 11:44:56 KNOW WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT.
08/27/09 11:44:56 I DON'T CARE.
08/27/09 11:44:59 I WANT YOU TO KNOW THIS IS
08/27/09 11:45:00 IMPORTANT TO ME ALSO.
08/27/09 11:45:01 AND I CARE ABOUT MY CHILD.
08/27/09 11:45:04 I HAVE A 12-YEAR-OLD AND
08/27/09 11:45:05 9-YEAR-OLD.
08/27/09 11:45:06 I CARE ABOUT THEIR HEALTH.
08/27/09 11:45:08 I AM NOT CONCERNED ABOUT THE
08/27/09 11:45:08 TOWER GOING UP.
08/27/09 11:45:09 WE HAVE HAD NOTICE.
08/27/09 11:45:10 THE TOWER IS UP.
08/27/09 11:45:13 IT IS SAFE AND SECURE.
08/27/09 11:45:14 AND WE ARE 100% IN SUPPORT OF
08/27/09 11:45:15 IT.
08/27/09 11:45:17 TO STAND HERE AND TELL YOU WE
08/27/09 11:45:18 LOST CHILDREN.
08/27/09 11:45:19 WE LOST FOUR FAMILIES.
08/27/09 11:45:21 IF YOU ASK OUR TEACHERS A
08/27/09 11:45:23 PARENTS AT THE SCHOOL.
08/27/09 11:45:25 THEY ARE 100% BEHIND OUR
08/27/09 11:45:28 PRINCIPAL DOING THIS.
08/27/09 11:45:28 AND I ENCOURAGE YOU TO PLEASE
08/27/09 11:45:31 ALLOW THIS TO CONTINUE TO
08/27/09 11:45:33 HAPPEN.
08/27/09 11:45:34 THANK YOU.
08/27/09 11:45:36 >> GOOD MORNING, VICTOR
08/27/09 11:45:38 RESPIRO, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK
08/27/09 11:45:39 PEARL FOR ACTUALLY MAKING A
08/27/09 11:45:41 POINT ABOUT WHY WE ARE NOT HERE
08/27/09 11:45:41 TODAY.
08/27/09 11:45:43 WE ARE NOT HERE TO GUARANTEE
08/27/09 11:45:44 REVENUE FOR THE SCHOOLS.
08/27/09 11:45:46 WE ARE NOT HERE TO GUARANTEE
08/27/09 11:45:47 THE GENERATION OF TAX DOLLARS.
08/27/09 11:45:50 WE ARE HEAR TO TALK
08/27/09 11:45:54 ABOUT
08/27/09 11:45:55 ZONING LANDS RESPONSIBLY.
08/27/09 11:45:57 OKAY.
08/27/09 11:45:58 I HAVE WHAT IS AT STAKE HERE.
08/27/09 11:46:00 IT AS WARNING SIGN THAT WAS
08/27/09 11:46:02 PLACED ON GATE OF THE TOWER
08/27/09 11:46:04 THAT WAS PUT AT PRIDE.
08/27/09 11:46:07 IT DISAPPEARED SINCE THEN AND
08/27/09 11:46:09 IT SAYS WARNING.
08/27/09 11:46:11 BEYOND THIS POINT.
08/27/09 11:46:13 RADIO FREQUENCY FIELDS MAY BE
08/27/09 11:46:15 BECAUSE OF EXPOSURE.
08/27/09 11:46:16 REGARDLESS WHAT YOU THINK.
08/27/09 11:46:18 PRIDE IN AND OF ITSELF IS A
08/27/09 11:46:19 WARNING TO YOU ABOUT WHAT
08/27/09 11:46:23 SHOULD NEVER BE
08/27/09 11:46:23 ALLOWED TO
08/27/09 11:46:24 HAPPEN AGAIN.
08/27/09 11:46:27 IN THIS PROPOSED FLOW CHART,
08/27/09 11:46:28 ABOUT WHAT THE SCHOOL BOARD, I
08/27/09 11:46:30 DON'T GUESS THAT IS WORKING.
08/27/09 11:46:33 HOW THE SCHOOL BOARD WANTS TO
08/27/09 11:46:34 WORK THINGS.
08/27/09 11:46:34 >> 180.
08/27/09 11:46:35 >> EXCUSE ME.
08/27/09 11:46:38 I CAN LOOK AT
08/27/09 11:46:38 IT TOO.
08/27/09 11:46:41 IF YOU LOOK, THEY WILL INCLUDE
08/27/09 11:46:41 THE PARENTS.
08/27/09 11:46:43 THAT MAKES ONE VERY GOOD PAIN.
08/27/09 11:46:45 THAT LEAVES THE COMMUNITY OUT
08/27/09 11:46:46 THE PROCEDURE.
08/27/09 11:46:47 IF THEY MANAGE TO GET TO
08/27/09 11:46:49 PARENTS TO COME TO THE SCHOOLS.
08/27/09 11:46:52 THAT DOESN'T GIVE ANYTHING
08/27/09 11:46:52 TO
08/27/09 11:46:53 THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY.
08/27/09 11:46:53 ULTIMATELY.
08/27/09 11:46:56 WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS BOX HERE.
08/27/09 11:46:56 IT SAYS.
08/27/09 11:47:00 THAT AFTER THEY SUPPOSEDLY
08/27/09 11:47:01 HAD
08/27/09 11:47:01 THE COMMUNITY INPUT.
08/27/09 11:47:03 THE PRINCIPAL GETS TO DECIDE.
08/27/09 11:47:06 LAND USE SHOULD NOT BE
08/27/09 11:47:06 DECIDED
08/27/09 11:47:07 BY A PRINCIPAL.
08/27/09 11:47:08 THEY SHOULD TAKE CARE OF THE
08/27/09 11:47:10 SCHOOL AND DO THEIR JOB AS A
08/27/09 11:47:11 PRINCIPAL AND LAND USE IS NOT
08/27/09 11:47:13 ONE OF THE THINGS THEY ARE
08/27/09 11:47:14 SUPPOSED TO DO.
08/27/09 11:47:16 >> IT SAYS.
08/27/09 11:47:17 VERY CLEARLY HERE.
08/27/09 11:47:20 IN THEIR PROPOSAL THAT THEY MAY
08/27/09 11:47:21 INCLUDE A PUBLIC HEARING.
08/27/09 11:47:22 WE SHOULDN'T ALLOW THEM TO
08/27/09 11:47:25 DECIDE WHETHER WE MIGHT NEED A
08/27/09 11:47:28 PUBLIC HEARING BECAUSE
08/27/09 11:47:29 BASICALLY WHAT THE SCHOOL BOARD
08/27/09 11:47:31 HAS PROVEN AND THE VENDOR OVER
08/27/09 11:47:32 AND OVER AGAIN.
08/27/09 11:47:34 THEY MEN LATE THE NUMBERS.
08/27/09 11:47:36 THE LADY THAT WAS UP HERE
08/27/09 11:47:38 EXPLAINING THE LAWS TO YOU
08/27/09 11:47:40 STATED CLEARLY IT DEPENDS ON
08/27/09 11:47:41 HOW TALL IT IS.
08/27/09 11:47:43 WHAT THEY HAVE DONE REPEATEDLY.
08/27/09 11:47:46 THEY IN AND MAKE THE TOWER A
08/27/09 11:47:46 FEW FEET SHORTER.
08/27/09 11:47:48 A LITTLE BIT FURTHER AWAY.
08/27/09 11:47:49 AND THEY BASICALLY PLAY WITH
08/27/09 11:47:52 THE NUMBERS OVER AND OVER AGAIN
08/27/09 11:47:55 TO MEET THE REQUIREMENT
08/27/09 11:47:55 FOR
08/27/09 11:47:56 WHAT PURPOSE?
08/27/09 11:47:56 TO AVOID A PUBLIC HEARING.
08/27/09 11:47:58 BECAUSE THEY KNOW IF PARENTS
08/27/09 11:47:59 HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK,
08/27/09 11:48:02 IF PEOPLE THAT ARE BUYING A
08/27/09 11:48:04 HOME THAT ARE GOING TO GET
08/27/09 11:48:05 STUCK WITH THE BEAUTIFUL TOWER
08/27/09 11:48:06 RIGHT NEXT TO THEIR TOWER THAT
08/27/09 11:48:09 IS GOING TO LOWER THE PROPERTY
08/27/09 11:48:11 VALUE AND NEXT TO IT WHERE
08/27/09 11:48:13 THEIR CHILDREN PLAY, THEY
08/27/09 11:48:14 PROBABLY CAN ANTICIPATE THERE
08/27/09 11:48:16 IS GOING TO BE UNHAPPY PEOPLE
08/27/09 11:48:19 AND THEY ARE BASICALLY EXPERTS
08/27/09 11:48:21 AT MANIPULATING THE NUMBER TO
08/27/09 11:48:23 AVOID THE PUBLIC HEARING
08/27/09 11:48:23 PROCESS.
08/27/09 11:48:25 WE NEED YOU TO SET STRICT
08/27/09 11:48:28 BOUNDARIES FOR THEM SO THEY
08/27/09 11:48:31 CANNOT BE ALLOWED TO RUN AMOK
08/27/09 11:48:32 AT OUR EXPENSE.
08/27/09 11:48:33 >> THE SCHOOL BOARD DOES NOT
08/27/09 11:48:35 NEED HELP PLAYING THE TOWERS.
08/27/09 11:48:38 WE THE CITIZENS AND
08/27/09 11:48:41 PARENTS OF
08/27/09 11:48:44 THE COMMUNITIES NEED
08/27/09 11:48:44 STRICT
08/27/09 11:48:46 SETBACKS THAT ARE NOT
08/27/09 11:48:46 NEGOTIABLE.
08/27/09 11:48:49 WE NEED SETBACKS AND
08/27/09 11:48:49 HEARINGS.
08/27/09 11:48:52 WE ARE NOT HERE TO GUARANTEE
08/27/09 11:48:53 THE VENDOR'S PROFITABILITY 50%.
08/27/09 11:48:55 WHAT WE NEED TO BE CONCERNED
08/27/09 11:48:55 WITH.
08/27/09 11:48:58 EVEN THOUGH IT IS NOT A POPULAR
08/27/09 11:49:00 TOPIC AS FARES THE UNITED
08/27/09 11:49:03 STATES ACROSS THE BORE GOES.
08/27/09 11:49:06 AND WHEN THE TOWER IS THERE
08/27/09 11:49:06 30
08/27/09 11:49:07 YEARS.
08/27/09 11:49:08 THE PUBLIC OPINION WILL CHANGE.
08/27/09 11:49:11 >>
08/27/09 11:49:14 THANK
08/27/09 11:49:14 YOU FOR SPEAKING.
08/27/09 11:49:17 >> GOOD MORNING, I HAD A SPEECH
08/27/09 11:49:18 PREPARED.
08/27/09 11:49:20 THEY HAVE SAID, THE GROUP I AM
08/27/09 11:49:20 WITH.
08/27/09 11:49:22 HAS DONE SUCH A GOOD JOB
08/27/09 11:49:25 PRESENTING
08/27/09 11:49:26 SOME THINGS.
08/27/09 11:49:27 >> LISA WILLIAMS.
08/27/09 11:49:28 4718 WEST STREET.
08/27/09 11:49:31 >> I WANT TO TALK TO YOU
08/27/09 11:49:31 FROM
08/27/09 11:49:31 MY HEART.
08/27/09 11:49:34 I SIT BEFORE YOU SEVERAL
08/27/09 11:49:35 TIMES.
08/27/09 11:49:35 I HAVE E-MAIL.
08/27/09 11:49:38 FAXED AND CALLED AND TOLD
08/27/09 11:49:40 YOU
08/27/09 11:49:40 WHERE I AM.
08/27/09 11:49:41 AND WHERE AS MY VOICE.
08/27/09 11:49:45 AND HOW I AM CONCERNED ABOUT
08/27/09 11:49:45 THE CELL TOWER ISSUES.
08/27/09 11:49:48 AND I SIT HERE WITH A PETITION
08/27/09 11:49:51 OF OVER 1,100 SIGNATURES ON IT.
08/27/09 11:49:54 TO SHOW
08/27/09 11:49:55 I WAS REPRESENTING
08/27/09 11:49:56 THEM.
08/27/09 11:49:58 AND I SPENT COUNTLESS HOURS AND
08/27/09 11:50:00 SEVERAL THOUSANDS OF MY OWN
08/27/09 11:50:00 DOLLARS FIGHTING FOR THIS.
08/27/09 11:50:03 FOR MY CHILDREN AND SOME OF
08/27/09 11:50:04 YOUR GRANDCHILDREN.
08/27/09 11:50:05 AND WHAT I DIDN'T TELL YOU IS
08/27/09 11:50:09 WHAT I AM DOING
08/27/09 11:50:12 NOW
08/27/09 11:50:13 TO PROTECT
08/27/09 11:50:14 THE CHILDREN.
08/27/09 11:50:17 NOT JUST MY CHILDREN,
08/27/09 11:50:18 BUT
08/27/09 11:50:18 EVERYONE'S CHILDREN.
08/27/09 11:50:20 >> THEY HAVE JOINED FORCE WAS
08/27/09 11:50:20 OTHER CITIES.
08/27/09 11:50:24 THIS IS A WORLDWIDE
08/27/09 11:50:25 PROBLEM.
08/27/09 11:50:28 WE ARE WORKING NONSTOP IN
08/27/09 11:50:29 VIENNA, VIRGINIA.
08/27/09 11:50:32 WASHINGTON
08/27/09 11:50:32 STATE.
08/27/09 11:50:34 AND WISCONSIN, NEW JERSEY, NINE
08/27/09 11:50:36 OTHER STATES THAT ARE FIGHTING
08/27/09 11:50:37 THE SAME ISSUE.
08/27/09 11:50:40 SOMETHING INTERESTING
08/27/09 11:50:40 HAPPENED
08/27/09 11:50:41 ON TUESDAY.
08/27/09 11:50:42 SEATTLE WASHINGTON MAYOR AND
08/27/09 11:50:45 CITY COUNCIL VOTED THIS PAST
08/27/09 11:50:46 TUESDAY.
08/27/09 11:50:49 AGAINST CELL TOWERS IN
08/27/09 11:50:50 RESIDENTIAL AREAS.
08/27/09 11:50:52 THEY ARE UNDER THE SAME FEC
08/27/09 11:50:55 GUIDE LYNNS THAT WE ARE.
08/27/09 11:50:57 I HAVE ASKED --GUIDELINES THAT
08/27/09 11:50:57 WE ARE.
08/27/09 11:50:59 AND THIS JUST CAME OUT IN THE
08/27/09 11:51:02 PAPER AND
08/27/09 11:51:05 THEY ARE VERY
08/27/09 11:51:05 EXCITED.
08/27/09 11:51:07 I CHANGED THE FOCUS FROM
08/27/09 11:51:08 CHANGING THE FOCUS.
08/27/09 11:51:09 WEIGHT BEAT THE BAD GUYS.
08/27/09 11:51:11 WE DON'T HAVE A TOWER IN MY
08/27/09 11:51:12 AREA AND WE WON.
08/27/09 11:51:16 I GROUP UP IN WHAT YOU
08/27/09 11:51:17 NOW CALL
08/27/09 11:51:17 SECTION EIGHT.
08/27/09 11:51:20 AND I USED TO SPENT 45 MENS TO
08/27/09 11:51:22 SCHOOL AND 80% OF THE CHILDREN
08/27/09 11:51:24 I GREW UP WITH IN MY SCHOOL,
08/27/09 11:51:27 THEIR PARENTS DID NOT HAVE A
08/27/09 11:51:27 HIGH SCHOOL DIPLOMA.
08/27/09 11:51:30 MOST OF THEM HAD GEDS OR
08/27/09 11:51:31 NOTHING AT ALL.
08/27/09 11:51:34 MY MOTHER WAS A PTA PRESIDENT
08/27/09 11:51:36 AND 350 STUDENT, THERE WERE 10
08/27/09 11:51:38 PEOPLE THAT WERE ACTIVE.
08/27/09 11:51:38 10.
08/27/09 11:51:39 SO I KNOW, I UNDERSTAND THE
08/27/09 11:51:42 SCHOOLS THAT ARE GOING TO
08/27/09 11:51:47 BE
08/27/09 11:51:48 EFFECTED BY THIS.
08/27/09 11:51:50 AND ITING GOOD-BYE GOING TO BE
08/27/09 11:51:50 THE SECTION EIGHT SCHOOLS.
08/27/09 11:51:53 WE WILL HAVE THE MONEY IT FIGHT
08/27/09 11:51:53 THESE GUYS.
08/27/09 11:51:56 WE DON'T HAVE THE
08/27/09 11:51:57 PARENTS P
08/27/09 11:51:59 PARENTAL INVOLVEMENT TO STAND
08/27/09 11:52:00 UP AND EDUCATE THEMSELVES.
08/27/09 11:52:03 IT IS A LOT OF MONEY TO FIGHT.
08/27/09 11:52:04 AND SOME OF THEM SAID.
08/27/09 11:52:05 WE PUT A WEBSITE TOGETHER.
08/27/09 11:52:08 WE HAVE HAD TO GO OUT AND GO
08/27/09 11:52:09 ON
08/27/09 11:52:10 DOORS.
08/27/09 11:52:11 AND PEOPLE WORK.
08/27/09 11:52:11 THEY DON'T HAVE TIME.
08/27/09 11:52:14 THEY DON'T HAVE TIME TO BE HERE
08/27/09 11:52:14 TODAY.
08/27/09 11:52:17 AND WATCH THIS
08/27/09 11:52:20 ON YOU TUBE
08/27/09 11:52:21 LATER.
08/27/09 11:52:22 MY CONCERN IS TO HELP THE
08/27/09 11:52:24 CHILDREN AND I WILL NOT STOP
08/27/09 11:52:26 UNTIL THEY ARE SAFE.
08/27/09 11:52:27 WHAT WE NEED TO DO.
08/27/09 11:52:28 BECAUSE THEY HAVE FAILED TO DO
08/27/09 11:52:29 SO.
08/27/09 11:52:31 WE NEED YOU TO HELP US.
08/27/09 11:52:32 THEY ARE CHOKING ON THEY'RE
08/27/09 11:52:36 MISTAKES AND WE NEED
08/27/09 11:52:39 YOUR
08/27/09 11:52:42 HELP.
08/27/09 11:52:43 >> NEXT SPEAKER.
08/27/09 11:52:43 THANK YOU.
08/27/09 11:52:46 >> I AM HERE TODAY
08/27/09 11:52:47 REPRESENTING
08/27/09 11:52:48 COLLIER TWO ENTERPRISES.
08/27/09 11:52:51 LET ME SAY THAT WE ARE IN
08/27/09 11:52:52 SUPPORT OF THE ORDINANCE ON THE
08/27/09 11:52:54 BOOK AS BEFORE WE GET STARTED,
08/27/09 11:52:56 WE HAVE A NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN
08/27/09 11:52:58 GREEN SHIRTS THAT ARE
08/27/09 11:52:58 SUPPORTIVE.
08/27/09 11:52:59 THEY COULD SPEAK BUT IN THE
08/27/09 11:53:01 INTEREST OF TIME THEY WILL IN
08/27/09 11:53:02 THE.
08/27/09 11:53:03 AND EVERYONE HERE IN FAVOR OF
08/27/09 11:53:06 THE OR NANS REMAINING AS IT
08/27/09 11:53:09 IS
08/27/09 11:53:12 TO PLEASE STAND.
08/27/09 11:53:12 THANK YOU.
08/27/09 11:53:15 >> AS THEY EXPLAIN TO YOU.
08/27/09 11:53:16 THIS IS THE AREA OF THE LAW
08/27/09 11:53:18 THAT IS HIGHLY REGULATED.
08/27/09 11:53:20 IT IS PREAMPED FROM MOST AREAS
08/27/09 11:53:23 OF REGULATIONS AND THE
08/27/09 11:53:25 TELECOMMUNICATIONS ACT AND THE.
08/27/09 11:53:27 911 STATUTE AND LIMIT WHAT YOU
08/27/09 11:53:29 ARE ABLE TO CONSIDER.
08/27/09 11:53:31 THE ORDINANCE IN PLACE IS NOT
08/27/09 11:53:34 PERFECT AND THE TASK FORCE THAT
08/27/09 11:53:37 IS A MESS OFFER 20 MONTHS AND
08/27/09 11:53:37 MEETINGS.
08/27/09 11:53:40 AND STACY FRANK WAS ON THE TASK
08/27/09 11:53:40 FORCE.
08/27/09 11:53:41 AND STEVE LABO.R.
08/27/09 11:53:42 AND PEOPLE
08/27/09 11:53:42 YOU KNOW.
08/27/09 11:53:43 CAME IN FRONT OF COUNCIL.
08/27/09 11:53:46 AND MR. MILES AN HOUR RAN
08/27/09 11:53:48 DARRELLSMITH WAS HERE.
08/27/09 11:53:50 MISS MILLER AND MISS SAUL-SENA
08/27/09 11:53:53 WAS ELECTED WHEN IT WAS
08/27/09 11:53:54 ADOPTED.
08/27/09 11:53:54 THERE ARE MOW DEBATES.
08/27/09 11:53:56 IT PROBABLY GOES FURTHER THAN
08/27/09 11:53:58 WHAT THE CURRENT STATUTE WOULD
08/27/09 11:54:01 ON ALLOW TODAY AND SPEAKING
08/27/09 11:54:04 SPECIFICALLY OF
08/27/09 11:54:06 MR. DINGFELDER'S POINT.
08/27/09 11:54:07 AND SPECIFICALLY THE STATUTE
08/27/09 11:54:10 PREAMPS YOU FROM
08/27/09 11:54:11 ASKING
08/27/09 11:54:13 QUESTIONS ABOUT --PREEMPTS YOU
08/27/09 11:54:14 FROM ASKING QUESTIONS.
08/27/09 11:54:16 AND YOU DON'T HAVE THE TOWER.
08/27/09 11:54:19 AND THE ORDINANCE IN PLACE
08/27/09 11:54:20 AND
08/27/09 11:54:22 COMP PLAN STRONGLY ENCOURAGE
08/27/09 11:54:24 COLOCATION AND AS A PRACTICAL
08/27/09 11:54:27 MATTER, WHAT WORKS FOR THE
08/27/09 11:54:27 COMPANIES IS COLOCATION.
08/27/09 11:54:30 PUTTING A TOWER UP IS THE
08/27/09 11:54:32 LAST
08/27/09 11:54:32 RESORT.
08/27/09 11:54:34 YOUR CODE ALLOWS ANTENNAS WHICH
08/27/09 11:54:36 TRANSMIT THE RADIO FREQUENCY
08/27/09 11:54:38 WAVES OVER ANY BUILDING.
08/27/09 11:54:41 AND THE WATER TOWER PLANT HIGH
08/27/09 11:54:41 SCHOOL.
08/27/09 11:54:43 THERE ARE COMMUNICATION
08/27/09 11:54:46 ANTENNAE TRANSMITTING.
08/27/09 11:54:47 AND THE GRADY ELEMENTARY.
08/27/09 11:54:50 90 FEET AWAY THERE ARE
08/27/09 11:54:53 ANTENNAS
08/27/09 11:54:56 AND THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
08/27/09 11:54:57 THE ORDINANCE THAT WAS PROVIDED
08/27/09 11:54:58 TO YOU.
08/27/09 11:54:59 IT IS INSUFFICIENT AND VIOLATES
08/27/09 11:55:00 THE ACT AND THE STATUTE.
08/27/09 11:55:02 AND THE CITY WOULD BE PUTTING
08/27/09 11:55:03 ITSELF IN A POSITION OF
08/27/09 11:55:06 CREATING A LOT OF PROBLEMS FOR
08/27/09 11:55:06 YOURSELF.
08/27/09 11:55:08 YOUR ATTORNEY CAN VICE YOU
08/27/09 11:55:10 BETTER AND ON ITS FACE.
08/27/09 11:55:11 IT IS PROBLEMATIC.
08/27/09 11:55:13 S THE ISSUE OF PUBLIC HEARINGS
08/27/09 11:55:14 IS AN INTERESTING ONE.
08/27/09 11:55:15 AND YOU HAVE TO START WITH THE
08/27/09 11:55:18 UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY DID
08/27/09 11:55:18 CONSIDER THAT.
08/27/09 11:55:20 AND MISS MILLER YOU ASKED
08/27/09 11:55:22 MR. SNELLING THE QUESTION BACK
08/27/09 11:55:22 IN 199.
08/27/09 11:55:25 I KNOW THAT, PAUSE I LISTENED
08/27/09 11:55:26 TO ALL THE TAPES.
08/27/09 11:55:28 I GOT THE DAND THAT SPECIFIC
08/27/09 11:55:29 QUESTION WAS ASKED OF
08/27/09 11:55:29 MR. SNELL.
08/27/09 11:55:32 THAT'S
08/27/09 11:55:35 WHAT I DO
08/27/09 11:55:38 WITH
08/27/09 11:55:41 MY SPARE
08/27/09 11:55:42 TIME.
08/27/09 11:55:43 HE RESPONDED.
08/27/09 11:55:45 AND IF IT MET ALL THE KID
08/27/09 11:55:48 REQUIREMENTS AND OUT LYNNED IN
08/27/09 11:55:49 THE CODE.
08/27/09 11:55:50 AND NO ADDITIONAL REQUIRE MAN
08/27/09 11:55:50 FOR NOTICE.
08/27/09 11:55:52 AND I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE YOU AN
08/27/09 11:55:54 EXAMPLE OF HOW IT PLAYED OUT IF
08/27/09 11:55:55 YOU STARTED PLEAING WITH THE
08/27/09 11:55:57 ORDINANCE MUCH YOU HAVE THE
08/27/09 11:56:00 POWER TO TINKER WITH THE
08/27/09 11:56:01 ORDINANCES AND THIS IS A WELL
08/27/09 11:56:04 THOUGHT OUT ORDINANCE AND HE
08/27/09 11:56:06 WILL DESIGNED TO PROTECT THE
08/27/09 11:56:07 INTEREST.
08/27/09 11:56:07 THAT IS THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
08/27/09 11:56:08 P NOW THIS BETTER THAN ANYONE.
08/27/09 11:56:10 AND THE WAY IT IS BUILT UP.
08/27/09 11:56:13 MR. CHAIRMAN, I AM REPRESENTING
08/27/09 11:56:13 SEVERAL PEOPLE.
08/27/09 11:56:16 I WOULD LEAK A FEW MINUTES AND
08/27/09 11:56:17 HAVE THEM SPOOK FOR ME.
08/27/09 11:56:18 I WILL BE PREVIOUS.
08/27/09 11:56:20 THE WAY THE CITY OF TAMPA HAS
08/27/09 11:56:20 BILL OUT.
08/27/09 11:56:23 YOU HAVE
08/27/09 11:56:24 STRIP COMMERCIALS
08/27/09 11:56:24 EVERYWHERE.
08/27/09 11:56:25 IT IS NOT DESIRABLE AND THERE
08/27/09 11:56:25 IT IS.
08/27/09 11:56:28 AND THE SITUATION OF CREATING A
08/27/09 11:56:30 CELL TOWER NEXT TO RESIDENTIAL.
08/27/09 11:56:32 THE TASK FORCE WAS CONCERNED
08/27/09 11:56:34 ABOUT THAT AND MR. COOK SPOKE
08/27/09 11:56:34 AT LEN.
08/27/09 11:56:36 HE DEPARTMENT SPEAK OF SCHOOLS.
08/27/09 11:56:37 AND I COULDN'T FIND ANY MENTION
08/27/09 11:56:40 OF SCHOOLS AND IT IS PROTECTING
08/27/09 11:56:42 NEIGHBORHOOD THE AND MR. LABOR
08/27/09 11:56:45 GOT UP AND YELLED AT
08/27/09 11:56:46 YOU ABOUT
08/27/09 11:56:46 THE NEIGHBORHOODS.
08/27/09 11:56:48 SO IT WAS DESIGNED TO ADDRESS
08/27/09 11:56:49 THAT CONCERN.
08/27/09 11:56:51 WHAT I AM SUGGESTING, IF YOU
08/27/09 11:56:53 START GOING IN.
08/27/09 11:56:54 LOOKING AT THE ORDINANCE.
08/27/09 11:56:55 YOU WILL UP RAFFLE IT AND
08/27/09 11:56:57 ADDRESSING A PROBLEM THAT THEY
08/27/09 11:56:59 BROUGHT UP TODAY AND END UP
08/27/09 11:57:01 CREATEDDING A WHOLE OTHER
08/27/09 11:57:02 PROBLEM BACK IN 19 # NINE AND
08/27/09 11:57:04 WHERE IT IS GOING TO END UP.
08/27/09 11:57:07 WE WILL PLAY OUT A
08/27/09 11:57:07 SCENARIO.
08/27/09 11:57:10 COLEMAN IS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF
08/27/09 11:57:11 THAT.
08/27/09 11:57:13 MR. DINGFELDER, THERE WERE
08/27/09 11:57:14 PEOPLE THERE.
08/27/09 11:57:15 AND NO TOWERS AT COLEMAN
08/27/09 11:57:17 BECAUSE THE PROCESS THE SCHOOL
08/27/09 11:57:19 BOARD SET UP WORKS.
08/27/09 11:57:21 IF THAT WAS A SCHOOL BOARD
08/27/09 11:57:21 MEETING.
08/27/09 11:57:22 WHAT WOULD HAVE HAPPENED, THAT
08/27/09 11:57:24 MEETING WOULD HAVE BEEN TWICE
08/27/09 11:57:26 AS LONG AND I WOULD HAVE
08/27/09 11:57:28 CROSS-EXAMINED EVERY SINGLE
08/27/09 11:57:29 PERSON THERE AND THEN AT THE
08/27/09 11:57:31 END OF THE HEARING, YOU WOULD
08/27/09 11:57:33 BE FACED WITH VICE FROM YOUR
08/27/09 11:57:36 TORN PROBABLY THAT ALL THE
08/27/09 11:57:36 COMMENTS WERE HILL BASED AND
08/27/09 11:57:39 WHICH YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO
08/27/09 11:57:40 DO.
08/27/09 11:57:40 NOTHING TO SUPPORT A DENIAL.
08/27/09 11:57:43 AND YOU WOULD BE FACED WITH
08/27/09 11:57:44 TRYING TO DENY IT.
08/27/09 11:57:45 AND THEN HAVING ME WALK ACROSS
08/27/09 11:57:48 THE STREET TO THE COURTHOUSE
08/27/09 11:57:48 OR
08/27/09 11:57:49 APPROVING IT AND MAKING A LOT
08/27/09 11:57:50 OF PEOPLE UNHAPPY.
08/27/09 11:57:52 WE ARE ASKING THE ORDINANCE TO
08/27/09 11:57:52 REMAIN THE SAME.
08/27/09 11:57:55 A LOT OF WORK WENT INTO IT.
08/27/09 11:57:58 >>
08/27/09 11:58:01 THANK
08/27/09 11:58:03 YOU.
08/27/09 11:58:03 >> NEXT SPEAKER.
08/27/09 11:58:04 >>
08/27/09 11:58:05 >> NEXT SPEAKER.
08/27/09 11:58:07 >> GOOD MORNING, THANK YOU FOR
08/27/09 11:58:10 HEARING US COUNCIL, MY NAME IS
08/27/09 11:58:10 CARY.
08/27/09 11:58:13 I LIVE AT 24
08/27/09 11:58:15 WEST ESTRELLA
08/27/09 11:58:15 STREET.
08/27/09 11:58:16 FROM WHERE THE COLEMAN TOWER
08/27/09 11:58:18 WAS SUPPOSED TO GO IN.
08/27/09 11:58:19 I GOT INVOLVED NOT BECAUSE I
08/27/09 11:58:22 WAS NOTICED ABOUT THE TOWER BY
08/27/09 11:58:23 MY SCHOOL.
08/27/09 11:58:26 BY MY SCHOOL DISTRICT OR BY
08/27/09 11:58:26 MY
08/27/09 11:58:28 ELECTED SCHOOL OFFICIALS.
08/27/09 11:58:29 I WAS NOTIFIED BY A WOMAN WHO
08/27/09 11:58:31 CAME TO MY DOOR WITH A PETITION
08/27/09 11:58:32 AND ASKING IF I HEARD ABOUT THE
08/27/09 11:58:34 THUNDERSHOWER THAT IS GOING TO
08/27/09 11:58:36 GO IN DOWN THE STREET FROM MY
08/27/09 11:58:39 HOUSE AND WHAT THE SCHOOL
08/27/09 11:58:39 BOARD
08/27/09 11:58:40 IS SAYING THAT THEY ARE DOING
08/27/09 11:58:41 ADEQUATELY THEY ARE NOT.
08/27/09 11:58:43 I WAS NEVER NOTIFIED AS A
08/27/09 11:58:46 PARENT OR AS A RESIDENT ABOUT
08/27/09 11:58:49 THE COLEMAN
08/27/09 11:58:50 TOWER.
08/27/09 11:58:52 THAT'S HOW I GOT INVOLVED.
08/27/09 11:58:55 MR. PORTER STATED IT
08/27/09 11:58:59 WORKED TO
08/27/09 11:58:59 PROTECT NEIGHBORHOODS.
08/27/09 11:59:02 SCHOOLS ARE IN NEIGHBOR FOR
08/27/09 11:59:05 THE
08/27/09 11:59:07 CITY OF NEIGHBORS AND WE RAN
08/27/09 11:59:08 ASKING YOU TO STRIKE THEM AND
08/27/09 11:59:12 ASKING ONLY TO
08/27/09 11:59:14 HAVE A PUBLIC
08/27/09 11:59:17 HEARING.
08/27/09 11:59:23 IT WAS POORLY ATTENDED AND
08/27/09 11:59:23 15
08/27/09 11:59:26 PEOPLE THERE AND ONE WAS AN
08/27/09 11:59:28 ATTORNEY FOR COLLIER, IT WAS
08/27/09 11:59:29 YOU KNOW, LIKE FIVE PEOPLE WERE
08/27/09 11:59:32 FROM COLLIER AND THE MEETING
08/27/09 11:59:34 WAS NOTICED ONE TIME.
08/27/09 11:59:38 AND I
08/27/09 11:59:41 STOOD
08/27/09 11:59:44 UP AND
08/27/09 11:59:44 SAID.
08/27/09 11:59:44 IT SAID.
08/27/09 11:59:46 AND LETS ADVERTISE AND LET THE
08/27/09 11:59:47 PARENTS KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON
08/27/09 11:59:50 BECAUSE OF
08/27/09 11:59:54 WHAT HAPPENED TO ME.
08/27/09 11:59:57 AND I WAS DENIED THE MEETING.
08/27/09 11:59:58 THEY WOULD NOT HAVE ANOTHER
08/27/09 12:00:01 MEETING WHAT IS WRONG
08/27/09 12:00:04 WITH THE
08/27/09 12:00:07 PUBLIC MEETING.
08/27/09 12:00:22 AND FOR ESTHETICS.
08/27/09 12:00:25 AND FOR LAND USE AND FOR
08/27/09 12:00:25 SAFETY.
08/27/09 12:00:26 AND OKAY.
08/27/09 12:00:29 SO
08/27/09 12:00:31 YOU CAN DO THAT.
08/27/09 12:00:34 AND SOUTH TAMPA VOTER
08/27/09 12:00:34 AND
08/27/09 12:00:35 FORMER CITY EMPLOYEE.
08/27/09 12:00:38 AND I WOULD ASK THAT YOU
08/27/09 12:00:39 HAVE
08/27/09 12:00:40 HEARD ABOUT THE STATE
08/27/09 12:00:40 REGULATIONS.
08/27/09 12:00:41 IT IS UP TO YOU.
08/27/09 12:00:45 I HAVE CALLED MY
08/27/09 12:00:45 STATE
08/27/09 12:00:46 LEGISLATURES.
08/27/09 12:00:47 I HAVE CALLED MY NATE SENATORS
08/27/09 12:00:50 AND TRYING TO WORK TO CHANGE
08/27/09 12:00:50 THE RULES STATEWIDE.
08/27/09 12:00:52 BECAUSE GUESS WHAT, IT WAS THE
08/27/09 12:00:55 SAME DEAL AT
08/27/09 12:00:55 THE STATE LEVEL
08/27/09 12:00:57 AND THE LOBBYISTS AND PEOPLE
08/27/09 12:01:00 THAT HAD IT ON A STATE LEVEL.
08/27/09 12:01:01 REPRESENT TESTIFY REED, I
08/27/09 12:01:04 TALKED TO HER AND SAID
08/27/09 12:01:05 THEY PUT
08/27/09 12:01:05 A CELL TOWER IN HER
08/27/09 12:01:08 NEIGHBORHOOD AT THE SCHOOL IN
08/27/09 12:01:09 HER NEIGHBOR.
08/27/09 12:01:10 SEE DIDN'T LIKE IT ANESTHETICS
08/27/09 12:01:14 OF IT AND SHE THOUGHT IT
08/27/09 12:01:14 WAS A
08/27/09 12:01:16 HEALTH PROBLEM.
08/27/09 12:01:17 SO, THIS IS HAPPENING IN THE
08/27/09 12:01:19 CITY AND ALL WE ARE ASKING FOR
08/27/09 12:01:21 IS A PUBLIC HEARING AND WORK
08/27/09 12:01:22 WITH THE STATE LEGISLATORS AND
08/27/09 12:01:24 CALL THEM AND TELL THEM.
08/27/09 12:01:25 DON'T STACK IT AGAINST US.
08/27/09 12:01:28 AND AT LEAST BE ABLE TO ASK,
08/27/09 12:01:31 AND TO PROVE THAT THERE A NEED,
08/27/09 12:01:34 THANK
08/27/09 12:01:34 YOU.
08/27/09 12:01:37 >>
08/27/09 12:01:40 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

08/27/09 12:02:42 >>> ONLY ONE PERSON SPOKE
08/27/09 12:02:43 OTHERWISE, AND THAT WAS MR.
08/27/09 12:02:46 PORTER HERE ON BEHALF OF THE
08/27/09 12:02:47 INDUSTRY.
08/27/09 12:02:49 BUT WHAT THEY SAID REPEATEDLY
08/27/09 12:02:51 IS WE SHOULD HAVE A PUBLIC
08/27/09 12:02:54 HEARING PROCESS THAT'S PART OF
08/27/09 12:02:54 OUR CODE.
08/27/09 12:02:54 OKAY?
08/27/09 12:02:57 WE'VE GOT A PRETTY FLOWCHART IN
08/27/09 12:02:58 FRONT OF US HERE THAT THE
08/27/09 12:02:59 SCHOOL BOARD PROVIDED US.
08/27/09 12:03:02 OUR GOOD FRIENDS, AND I MEAN
08/27/09 12:03:03 WITH ALL SINCERITY, AT THE
08/27/09 12:03:05 SCHOOL SYSTEM, HAVE NOW COME UP
08/27/09 12:03:08 WITH A PROCESS THAT'S A
08/27/09 12:03:09 COMPLICATED PROCESS, IT LOOKS
08/27/09 12:03:12 LIKE THEY MIGHT
08/27/09 12:03:15 HAVE PUBLIC
08/27/09 12:03:15 MEETINGS, THE PRINCIPAL DECIDE,
08/27/09 12:03:16 THAT SORT OF THING.
08/27/09 12:03:19 BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY,
08/27/09 12:03:20 THEY
08/27/09 12:03:21 TALK ABOUT THEIR SCHOOL
08/27/09 12:03:21 COMMUNITY.
08/27/09 12:03:23 ABOUT WHAT HAPPENSERS THEY'RE
08/27/09 12:03:25 GOING TO NOTIFY THEIR PARENTS
08/27/09 12:03:28 AND TALK ABOUT WHAT'S GOOD FOR
08/27/09 12:03:28 THAT.
08/27/09 12:03:29 BUT IT DOESN'T PROTECT WHAT'S
08/27/09 12:03:31 OUTSIDE THE SCHOOL AT ALL.
08/27/09 12:03:33 THERE'S NO PUBLIC NOTICE
08/27/09 12:03:34 REQUIREMENT, NO PUBLIC HEARING
08/27/09 12:03:34 REQUIREMENT.
08/27/09 12:03:36 SAME THING FOR OUR CELL TOWER,
08/27/09 12:03:37 I'M EMBARRASSED ABOUT THE PLANT
08/27/09 12:03:40 HIGH TOWER AND HOW IT WENT UP.
08/27/09 12:03:43 IT'S ON THE WATER TOWER, OKAY
08/27/09 12:03:46 AND THE CITY PROSPERING FROM
08/27/09 12:03:48 THAT TOWER THAT'S VERY CLOSE TO
08/27/09 12:03:49 THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AS WELL AS TO
08/27/09 12:03:50 THE SCHOOL CHILDREN.
08/27/09 12:03:51 I'M EMBARRASSED ABOUT THAT, IT
08/27/09 12:03:54 WENT UP WITHOUT A PUBLIC
08/27/09 12:03:55 HEARING, OKAY?
08/27/09 12:03:58 I THINK THE ONLY THING THAT
08/27/09 12:04:00 CAME TO COUNCIL WAS LEASE.
08/27/09 12:04:02 AND I'M EMBARRASSED THAT WE
08/27/09 12:04:04 DIDN'T TALK ABOUT IT.
08/27/09 12:04:07 BUT BOTTOM LINE IS THIS --IS
08/27/09 12:04:08 WE'VE GOT A SCHOOL REGULATION
08/27/09 12:04:11 --WE'VE GOT A SCHOOL THING
08/27/09 12:04:14 HERE, I TALKED TO MRS.
08/27/09 12:04:16 DUFFY
08/27/09 12:04:17 EARLIER, THAT'S NOT EVEN
08/27/09 12:04:19 CODIFIED IN THE SCHOOL RULES,
08/27/09 12:04:22 IT'S JUST A PROCESS
08/27/09 12:04:25 THEY'RE
08/27/09 12:04:26 USING.
08/27/09 12:04:26 THAT COULD CHANGE.
08/27/09 12:04:28 IT'S NOT CODIFIED, IT DOES MAT
08/27/09 12:04:29 MANDATE A PUBLIC HEARING.
08/27/09 12:04:31 THERE'S NO PROTECTION AT ALL,
08/27/09 12:04:34 IN CITY PARKS, PROPERTY AND
08/27/09 12:04:34 UTILITIES.
08/27/09 12:04:37 I THOUGHT THE PICTURE THAT BILL
08/27/09 12:04:40 PUT UP WAS AMAZING, IN TERMS OF
08/27/09 12:04:42 THE SAFETY ZONE, NEXT TO THE
08/27/09 12:04:45 PROGRAM, KIDS PLAYING
08/27/09 12:04:46 BASKETBALL IN THAT BUILDING.
08/27/09 12:04:48 THE FALL ZONE, THE SAFETY FALL
08/27/09 12:04:48 ZONE, DOESN'T INCLUDE THE
08/27/09 12:04:51 SAFETY FOR THE CHILDREN WHO ARE
08/27/09 12:04:54 RUNNING AROUND NEXT
08/27/09 12:04:55 TO THIS
08/27/09 12:04:55 TOWER.
08/27/09 12:04:58 SO WE HAVE A SAFETY FALL ZONE
08/27/09 12:04:59 THAT MIGHT PROTECT --I DON'T
08/27/09 12:05:02 KNOW WHO IT PROTECTS --BUT
08/27/09 12:05:02 NOT
08/27/09 12:05:05 THE CHILDREN
08/27/09 12:05:07 IN OUR OWN PARKS.
08/27/09 12:05:08 IT PROBABLY DOESN'T EVEN
08/27/09 12:05:11 PROTECT THE CHILDREN
08/27/09 12:05:12 IN OUR OWN
08/27/09 12:05:12 PARKS.
08/27/09 12:05:14 IT WAS A GOOD CODE 10 YEARSING,
08/27/09 12:05:17 A BUT WE HAVEN'T LOOKED AT IT
08/27/09 12:05:17 SINCE.
08/27/09 12:05:20 WE SHOULD LOOK AT THE
08/27/09 12:05:20 CONSIDERATIONINGS AND MOST
08/27/09 12:05:22 IMPORTANTLY, INCLUDE A PUBLIC
08/27/09 12:05:23 HEARING PROCESS FOR ANY TOWER
08/27/09 12:05:26 THAT'S GOING UP
08/27/09 12:05:27 IN THE CITY.
08/27/09 12:05:27 >> COUNCILWOMAN?
08/27/09 12:05:29 >> THAT WOULD BE MY MOTION.
08/27/09 12:05:30 >> THANK YOU.
08/27/09 12:05:33 I WOULD SUPPORT YOUR MOTION,
08/27/09 12:05:35 BUT I ALSO THINK, CONSIDERING
08/27/09 12:05:37 HOW LONG AGO THIS ORDNANCE WAS
08/27/09 12:05:39 PASSED AND THE FACT THAT THERE
08/27/09 12:05:42 WAS A TASK FORCE BACK THEN
08/27/09 12:05:43 AND
08/27/09 12:05:45 APPARENTLY WHAT WE HEARD TODAY,
08/27/09 12:05:48 WHICH WAS A DIFFERENT GROUP OF
08/27/09 12:05:51 PEOPLE, BUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD
08/27/09 12:05:53 ASSOCIATIONS DIDN'T APPROVE OF
08/27/09 12:05:56 THIS ORDNANCE, I THINK --AND
08/27/09 12:05:57 WE HAVE SO MANY PEOPLE THAT
08/27/09 12:06:00 HAVE BEEN SPENDING THEIR TIME
08/27/09 12:06:01 AND MONEY, OUR CONSTITUENTS ON
08/27/09 12:06:04 THIS, JUST TO BE
08/27/09 12:06:05 ABLE TO HAVE
08/27/09 12:06:08 THEIR VIEWS AIRED ON THIS SET.
08/27/09 12:06:11 WE SHOULD HAVE A TASK FORCE TO
08/27/09 12:06:14 WORK ON THIS
08/27/09 12:06:15 ORDNANCE.
08/27/09 12:06:16 AND IT SHOULD BE REPRESENTATIVE
08/27/09 12:06:19 OF PEOPLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS
08/27/09 12:06:22 AND OF PARENTS OF THE SCHOOL
08/27/09 12:06:22 CHILDREN IN PUBLIC SCHOOLS.
08/27/09 12:06:25 I GUESS ANY SCHOOLS IN THE
08/27/09 12:06:25 CITY.
08/27/09 12:06:28 AND THAT'S ALL I WOULD WANT
08/27/09 12:06:29 TO
08/27/09 12:06:31 ADD TO THAT.
08/27/09 12:06:34 I THINK THAT THERE'S, YOU KNOW
08/27/09 12:06:36 --YES, THERE ARE RESTRICTIONS
08/27/09 12:06:37 FROM THE STATE STATUTE AND
08/27/09 12:06:40 FEDERAL LAW, BUT
08/27/09 12:06:43 THERE
08/27/09 12:06:43 ARE
08/27/09 12:06:44 WAYS, AS COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER
08/27/09 12:06:47 SAID THAT WE CAN PROBABLY
08/27/09 12:06:48 TWEAK
08/27/09 12:06:48 THIS.
08/27/09 12:06:50 THE LEVEL --THE AMOUNT OF TIME
08/27/09 12:06:52 THAT PEOPLE SPEND TRYING TO
08/27/09 12:06:53 MAKE THE DECISIONS ABOUT THEIR
08/27/09 12:06:54 NEIGHBORHOODS THAT THEY'RE NOT
08/27/09 12:06:55 PAID, THEY COME TO US.
08/27/09 12:06:58 THE AT LEAST WE CAN DO IS ALLOW
08/27/09 12:06:59 THEM TO HAVE SOME INPUT INTO
08/27/09 12:07:02 WHETHER WE'RE GOING
08/27/09 12:07:04 TO BE
08/27/09 12:07:04 CHANGING THIS.
08/27/09 12:07:07 I KNOW MRS. COLE WOULD LOVE
08/27/09 12:07:10 TO
08/27/09 12:07:13 HAVE ANOTHER TASK
08/27/09 12:07:13 FORCE.
08/27/09 12:07:14 >> COUNCILMAN MIRANDA?
08/27/09 12:07:16 >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
08/27/09 12:07:19 I DO REMEMBER VAGUELY, TEN
08/27/09 12:07:20 OR
08/27/09 12:07:22 11 YEARS AGO.
08/27/09 12:07:24 I BELIEVE THE CHAIRMAN OF THE
08/27/09 12:07:25 COMMITTEE WAS [ INDISCERNIBLE ]
08/27/09 12:07:27 --I COULD BE MISTAKEN.
08/27/09 12:07:29 I DON'T TAKE OFFENSE AT
08/27/09 12:07:29 ANYTHING PEOPLE SAY.
08/27/09 12:07:31 I LET IT GO IN AND OUT.
08/27/09 12:07:34 WHEN THEY
08/27/09 12:07:37 SAY THAT THE PARENTS
08/27/09 12:07:40 OF THIRD GRADE EDUCATED PARENTS
08/27/09 12:07:42 DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO BE
08/27/09 12:07:42 PART OF A SYSTEM.
08/27/09 12:07:45 I DISAGREE WITH THAT WHOLE
08/27/09 12:07:45 HEARTEDLY.
08/27/09 12:07:48 MY PARENTS NEVER WENT TO THE
08/27/09 12:07:48 THIRD GRADE.
08/27/09 12:07:51 BE IT THAT MANY OTHERS IN TAMPA
08/27/09 12:07:52 HOUSING.
08/27/09 12:07:55 BUT LET ME SAY
08/27/09 12:07:58 THAT HAD TO
08/27/09 12:07:59 BOND
08/27/09 12:08:00 THAT TODAY IS MISSING.
08/27/09 12:08:03 IT'S NOT ABOUT MONEY
08/27/09 12:08:05 OR
08/27/09 12:08:06 ANYTHING OF EXTRAFFIC BEGANSY
08/27/09 12:08:09 OR HALF A MILLION DOLLAR
08/27/09 12:08:09 HOUSES.
08/27/09 12:08:11 IT WAS ABOUT LOVE, GUIDING YOU
08/27/09 12:08:11 THE RIGHT WAY.
08/27/09 12:08:13 IF YOU TOOK A STEP OUT OF LINE,
08/27/09 12:08:15 THAT WAS THE LAST TIME YOU TOOK
08/27/09 12:08:18 A STEP OUT OF LINE, BECAUSE
08/27/09 12:08:21 YOUR BUTT WAS KICKED BY YOUR
08/27/09 12:08:24 FATHER, YOUR MOTHER, YOUR AUNT,
08/27/09 12:08:25 YOUR UNCLE AND NEIGHBOR.
08/27/09 12:08:27 WHAT'S MISSING TODAY IS THE
08/27/09 12:08:27 RESPECT FOR EACH OTHER.
08/27/09 12:08:30 YES, I'VE HEARD AND READ ABOUT
08/27/09 12:08:33 THIS IN THE PAPERS.
08/27/09 12:08:35 I CHOSE NOT TO GO.
08/27/09 12:08:36 THAT WAS A NEIGHBORHOOD THING
08/27/09 12:08:38 WITH THEIR SCHOOL SYSTEM.
08/27/09 12:08:41 AND IF ANYONE HAS KIDS MORE
08/27/09 12:08:44 THAN I DO IN THIS BOARD, I WANT
08/27/09 12:08:46 TO KNOW.
08/27/09 12:08:49 I HAVE SIX
08/27/09 12:08:51 GRANDDAUGHTERS THAT
08/27/09 12:08:54 WENT TO
08/27/09 12:08:56 DELMABRY, AND I'VE GOT
08/27/09 12:08:57 THREE AT PLANTTON.
08/27/09 12:08:59 NONE OF THEM ARE SICK FROM
08/27/09 12:08:59 THIS.
08/27/09 12:09:01 I SAID AT THAT DISTRICT, YES.
08/27/09 12:09:04 YOU MAY NOT BE CHAIRMAN IF YOU
08/27/09 12:09:06 DON'T LISTEN WELL.
08/27/09 12:09:09 SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT I'VE
08/27/09 12:09:12 ALSO TALKED TO TWO
08/27/09 12:09:12 DAUGHTERS, I
08/27/09 12:09:15 ALSO TALKED TO TWO
08/27/09 12:09:18 SONS-IN-LAW
08/27/09 12:09:21 AND GUESS
08/27/09 12:09:22 WHAT?
08/27/09 12:09:23 IT'S A 50/50 SPLIT.
08/27/09 12:09:26 THREE OF MY KIDS, GRANDKIDS, I
08/27/09 12:09:31 ASKED THEM, THEY JUST SHRUGGED.
08/27/09 12:09:34 BUT I ASKED THE PARENTS AND ONE
08/27/09 12:09:35 DAUGHTER AND ONE SON-IN-LAW
08/27/09 12:09:37 FROM THE SAME SAID WERE
08/27/09 12:09:37 OPPOSED.
08/27/09 12:09:40 I ASKED THE OTHER DAUGHTER AND
08/27/09 12:09:40 OTHER SON-IN-LAW.
08/27/09 12:09:43 AND THEY
08/27/09 12:09:44 SAID SHOW ME THE
08/27/09 12:09:44 EVIDENCE.
08/27/09 12:09:47 AND I DIDN'T HAVE ANY EVIDENCE
08/27/09 12:09:47 TO SHOW.
08/27/09 12:09:49 I CAN TELL YOU THAT --I DON'T
08/27/09 12:09:52 KNOW IF IT WAS 20
08/27/09 12:09:53 MONTHS OR 19
08/27/09 12:09:53 MONTHS OR 21 MONTHS.
08/27/09 12:09:55 I KNOW IT WAS A LONG PROCESS.
08/27/09 12:09:57 I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE WAS
08/27/09 12:10:00 MIXED AND LEFT OUT OF THAT
08/27/09 12:10:03 PROCESS ACT TO
08/27/09 12:10:05 CREATE THAT
08/27/09 12:10:08 ORDNANCE AND '98, APPROVED
08/27/09 12:10:09 IN
08/27/09 12:10:09 '99.
08/27/09 12:10:12 BUT A LOT OF GOOD PEOPLE FROM
08/27/09 12:10:14 THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION,
08/27/09 12:10:16 VOLUNTEERS AND INDIVIDUALS CAME
08/27/09 12:10:18 OUT AND THAT WAS APPROVED
08/27/09 12:10:20 BECAUSE OF THEIR CONCERTED
08/27/09 12:10:20 EFFORT.
08/27/09 12:10:22 I READ HERE ABOUT CANCER, I
08/27/09 12:10:24 READ ABOUT PEOPLE GETTING SICK,
08/27/09 12:10:27 I READ ABOUT DIZZINESS IN RUN
08/27/09 12:10:27 REPORT.
08/27/09 12:10:27 YOU KNOW WHAT?
08/27/09 12:10:29 IF I PUT ALL OF US IN A FOREST
08/27/09 12:10:31 WITHOUT ANYTHING AND YOU WENT
08/27/09 12:10:33 TO THE DOCTOR, THE SYMPTOMS
08/27/09 12:10:35 WOULD BE THE SAME.
08/27/09 12:10:37 WHEN YOU GO TO A DOCTOR TODAY
08/27/09 12:10:40 AND THEY ASK YOU ALL THESE
08/27/09 12:10:42 QUESTIONS, THE SAME.
08/27/09 12:10:44 I'VE HAD PARENTS, I'VE HAD
08/27/09 12:10:46 NEIGHBORS, I'VE HAD FAMILY
08/27/09 12:10:48 MEMBERS DIE OF CANCER, BEFORE
08/27/09 12:10:49 CELL TOWERS.
08/27/09 12:10:51 WHAT KILLS MOST OF ALL IS NOT
08/27/09 12:10:54 THE CELL TOWER, BUT THE CELL
08/27/09 12:10:55 PHONE.
08/27/09 12:10:56 WHEN YOU'RE TEXTING AND DRIVING
08/27/09 12:10:59 AND YOU HAVE
08/27/09 12:11:00 AN ACCIDENT.
08/27/09 12:11:01 THAT WAS NEVER BROUGHT UP.
08/27/09 12:11:03 THAT IS MORE DANGEROUS TO ME
08/27/09 12:11:05 THAN ANY CELL TOWER UNTIL
08/27/09 12:11:05 COUNTRY.
08/27/09 12:11:07 DO I HAVE CELL TOWERS WHERE I'M
08/27/09 12:11:07 AT?
08/27/09 12:11:08 YES, I DO.
08/27/09 12:11:09 I CAN TELL YOU THERE'S BLANK
08/27/09 12:11:12 SPOTS ON THE WEST SIDE
08/27/09 12:11:14 OF TAMPA
08/27/09 12:11:14 INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT.
08/27/09 12:11:16 KY TELL YOU THERE'S BLIND AREAS
08/27/09 12:11:17 JUST WEST OF THE AIRPORT.
08/27/09 12:11:20 I CAN TELL YOU THERE'S AREAS
08/27/09 12:11:21 OF
08/27/09 12:11:24 DARKNESS OR NO RECEPTION JUST
08/27/09 12:11:27 SOUTH OF CLEVELAND ON LOIS.
08/27/09 12:11:28 ANYWHERE IN THAT SAME
08/27/09 12:11:30 NEIGHBORHOOD, WHEN I'M THERE
08/27/09 12:11:33 OFTEN, I CAN'T USE A CELL PHONE
08/27/09 12:11:35 BECAUSE IT DOESN'T WORK.
08/27/09 12:11:38 IN FACT, I WISH I DIDN'T HAVE A
08/27/09 12:11:41 CELL PHONE OR HD HIGH
08/27/09 12:11:41 DEFINITION.
08/27/09 12:11:42 I WOULD HAVE HAD LOT MORE MONEY
08/27/09 12:11:45 IN THE BANK.
08/27/09 12:11:45 THAT'S HOW I THINK.
08/27/09 12:11:48 SO I'M --THIS
08/27/09 12:11:49 IS A 50/50.
08/27/09 12:11:51 THE PEOPLE HAVE WON.
08/27/09 12:11:53 YOU HAVE SPOKEN.
08/27/09 12:11:55 AND I'M WITH YOU.
08/27/09 12:11:55 YOU WON.
08/27/09 12:11:58 LET THE OTHER SCHOOL MAKE THEIR
08/27/09 12:11:59 OWN CHOICES.
08/27/09 12:12:00 I ONLY HAVE THE CITY OF TAMPA,
08/27/09 12:12:03 I DON'T HAVE THE
08/27/09 12:12:04 CITY OF
08/27/09 12:12:07 HILLSBOROUGH OR THE UNITED
08/27/09 12:12:08 STATES.
08/27/09 12:12:09 YOU WON AND I APPLAUD YOU.
08/27/09 12:12:12 IF I EVER SEEK OFFICE AGAIN, I
08/27/09 12:12:15 TELL YOU THAT EITHER SIDE HERE,
08/27/09 12:12:17 I WILL NOT ASK YOU FOR A
08/27/09 12:12:17 CONTRIBUTIONS.
08/27/09 12:12:18 THAT'S HOW I AM.
08/27/09 12:12:20 YOU HAVE A PROBLEM HERE?
08/27/09 12:12:22 I EXCLUDE YOU OUT.
08/27/09 12:12:24 THAT'S HOW I AM.
08/27/09 12:12:27 SO LET ME SAY THIS --NONE
08/27/09 12:12:27 OF
08/27/09 12:12:28 MY GRANDKIDS ARE SICK.
08/27/09 12:12:29 THANK GOD.
08/27/09 12:12:31 NONE OF MY FAMILY MEMBERS ARE
08/27/09 12:12:32 SICK THAT LIVE THERE.
08/27/09 12:12:34 AND I READ THAT REPORT AND IT
08/27/09 12:12:36 WAS VERY WELL WRITTEN AND I
08/27/09 12:12:38 COMMEND THE GENTLEMAN WHO DID
08/27/09 12:12:38 IT.
08/27/09 12:12:41 BUT I DON'T SEE RESULTS OF THAT
08/27/09 12:12:42 IN MY OWN FAMILY.
08/27/09 12:12:45 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
08/27/09 12:12:46 >> YES?
08/27/09 12:12:49 >> I HAVE A QUESTION FOR
08/27/09 12:12:50 JULIA
08/27/09 12:12:50 COLE.
08/27/09 12:12:53 ONE ONE OF THE ISSUES BROUGHT
08/27/09 12:12:56 UP WAS THAT OF
08/27/09 12:12:57 AESTHETICS.
08/27/09 12:12:58 ONE OF THE PICTURES WAS ALL THE
08/27/09 12:13:01 CAGES AROUND THE BASE OF
08/27/09 12:13:02 THE
08/27/09 12:13:04 CELL TOWER, ADJACENT TO A
08/27/09 12:13:04 PLAYGROUND.
08/27/09 12:13:06 COULD WE, THE CITY COUNCIL
08/27/09 12:13:07 ADDRESS THAT?
08/27/09 12:13:08 >> SPECIFICALLY, YOU HAVE THE
08/27/09 12:13:09 RIGHT TO ADDRESS LANDSCAPE
08/27/09 12:13:12 ISSUES AND I BELIEVE THE CODE
08/27/09 12:13:12 WAS.
08/27/09 12:13:15 YOU MAY WANT TO
08/27/09 12:13:17 ASK KATHY WHAT
08/27/09 12:13:20 IT DOES NOW AND MAY BE THERE'S
08/27/09 12:13:21 ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS FOR
08/27/09 12:13:21 LANDSCAPING AND ALL THAT.
08/27/09 12:13:24 BUT YES, YOU HAVE TO RIGHT TO
08/27/09 12:13:26 REGULATE FOR THE PURPOSES OF
08/27/09 12:13:28 ADDING LANDSCAPE, THOSE ISSUES,
08/27/09 12:13:30 AND LIKE I SAID, THAT'S
08/27/09 12:13:30 SOMETHING WE DO.
08/27/09 12:13:33 >> IF I MAY,
08/27/09 12:13:34 CHIP FLETCHER, WE
08/27/09 12:13:37 WOULD WANT TO
08/27/09 12:13:40 KNOW WHERE THAT'S
08/27/09 12:13:40 LOCATED.
08/27/09 12:13:43 IN THE COUNTY --
08/27/09 12:13:44 >> OF COURSE, I'M CONCERNED
08/27/09 12:13:45 ABOUT THE CITY.
08/27/09 12:13:47 BUT COULD WE SPECIFICALLY SAY
08/27/09 12:13:49 THERE BE A LANDSCAPE BUFFER
08/27/09 12:13:52 AROUND THE BASE OF TOWERS?
08/27/09 12:13:54 COULD WE ADDRESS THAT?
08/27/09 12:13:57 >> I THINK WHAT JULIA
08/27/09 12:13:57 WAS
08/27/09 12:14:00 TRYING TO SAY WAS THAT WE COULD
08/27/09 12:14:04 DO THAT NOW.
08/27/09 12:14:04 >>
08/27/09 12:14:07 >> IT'S ON A SCHOOL
08/27/09 12:14:08 SITE.
08/27/09 12:14:08 >> IN COUNTIES.
08/27/09 12:14:11 >> OUR BELIEF IS THAT WE DO
08/27/09 12:14:11 NOW.
08/27/09 12:14:14 SO THE PICTURE YOU SAW, WE'RE
08/27/09 12:14:16 ASSUMING, IS IN THE COUNTY.
08/27/09 12:14:17 BUT TRYING TO CHECK THAT.
08/27/09 12:14:19 >> NO JURISDICTION IN THE
08/27/09 12:14:19 COUNTY.
08/27/09 12:14:20 >> I UNDERSTAND THAT.
08/27/09 12:14:22 >> I THINK THE ANSWER TO YOUR
08/27/09 12:14:23 QUESTION IS --
08/27/09 12:14:23 >> YES.
08/27/09 12:14:26 WE HAVE THE ABILITY
08/27/09 12:14:27 TO ADDRESS
08/27/09 12:14:27 LANDSCAPING?
08/27/09 12:14:28 >> BUT WE ALREADY HAVE THAT IN
08/27/09 12:14:29 OUR CODE.
08/27/09 12:14:32 [ OVERLAPPING SPEAKERS
08/27/09 12:14:32 ]
08/27/09 12:14:32 >> TO A LIMITED EXTENTS.
08/27/09 12:14:34 >> IT'S IN THE CODE ALREADY.
08/27/09 12:14:35 >> COULD SOMEBODY CHECK IT?
08/27/09 12:14:38 >> I THINK KATHY IS LOOKING AT
08/27/09 12:14:38 IT.
08/27/09 12:14:39 >> MR. CHAIRMAN?
08/27/09 12:14:41 >> YES, GO AHEAD.
08/27/09 12:14:44 >> LET ME MODIFY MY MOTION
08/27/09 12:14:44 A
08/27/09 12:14:44 LITTLE BIT.
08/27/09 12:14:47 >> MARY WAS IN
08/27/09 12:14:48 SUPPORT OF IT.
08/27/09 12:14:49 >> IT'S IRRELEVANT.
08/27/09 12:14:50 LET ME MODIFY IT.
08/27/09 12:14:52 >> YOU DIDN'T SECOND IT.
08/27/09 12:14:54 THAT'S A LACK OF --
08/27/09 12:14:57 >> CAN I JUST
08/27/09 12:14:57 --
08/27/09 12:14:58 >> HE IS THE FLOOR.
08/27/09 12:14:58 [ OVERLAPPING SPEAKERS ]
08/27/09 12:15:01 >> EXCUSE ME, HE HAS THE
08/27/09 12:15:02 FLOOR.
08/27/09 12:15:02 >> THANK YOU.
08/27/09 12:15:04 >> MS. MILLER, IF YOU'D LET ME
08/27/09 12:15:07 FINISH, YOU WOULD HAVE
08/27/09 12:15:08 HEARD ME
08/27/09 12:15:11 SAY THAT WHAT I'D LIKE TO
08/27/09 12:15:12 DO, I
08/27/09 12:15:13 LIKE MARY'S SUGGESTION BETTER.
08/27/09 12:15:16 I'M WITHDRAWING MY MOTION AND
08/27/09 12:15:16 GOING --
08/27/09 12:15:17 >> I WAS ASKING A QUESTION.
08/27/09 12:15:19 NO IT WASN'T, THAT WAS THE
08/27/09 12:15:19 ANSWER.
08/27/09 12:15:21 I WASN'T TALKING TO YOU,
08/27/09 12:15:24 TALKING TO THE
08/27/09 12:15:25 CHAIRMAN.
08/27/09 12:15:26 >> THANK YOU.
08/27/09 12:15:29 I LIKE MS. MILLER'S SUGGESTION
08/27/09 12:15:30 BELTER, SINCE THERE IS A 50/50
08/27/09 12:15:31 SPLIT IN THE COMMUNITY.
08/27/09 12:15:33 THIS WAS ADDRESSED TEN YEARS
08/27/09 12:15:34 AGO BEFORE THERE WERE MANY CELL
08/27/09 12:15:37 TOWERS, NOW THERE'S A LOT AND
08/27/09 12:15:37 OBVIOUSLY MORE INTEREST IN THE
08/27/09 12:15:39 COMMUNITY NOW THAN THERE WAS
08/27/09 12:15:39 THEN.
08/27/09 12:15:41 SO WHY DON'T WE DEFER IT?
08/27/09 12:15:44 WHY DON'T WE FIGURE OUT A WAY
08/27/09 12:15:46 TO APPOINT AN APPROPRIATE
08/27/09 12:15:46 COMMITTEE?
08/27/09 12:15:49 LET THEM GO OUT AND MEET FOR
08/27/09 12:15:52 SIX MONTHS OR HOWEVER LONG IT
08/27/09 12:15:52 TAKES.
08/27/09 12:15:55 WRESTLE WITH THE ENTIRE CODE,
08/27/09 12:15:58 FAN IS NOT NECESSARILY HERE
08/27/09 12:16:00 TODAY, BUT THEY WOULD LIKE A
08/27/09 12:16:01 PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS.
08/27/09 12:16:03 MR. JOHNSON SENT THAT E-MAIL.
08/27/09 12:16:06 I'M SURE YOU ALL
08/27/09 12:16:06 GOT IT.
08/27/09 12:16:07 SO I WITHDRAW MY MOTION,
08/27/09 12:16:10 WHETHER OR NOT IT WAS SECONDED
08/27/09 12:16:13 OR NOT, I'LL SECOND MARY'S
08/27/09 12:16:15 MOTION THAT WE SHOULD FORM A
08/27/09 12:16:18 TASK FORCE AND COME BACK TO US
08/27/09 12:16:20 WITH RECOMMENDATIONS AFTER
08/27/09 12:16:22 WRESTLING WITH IT.
08/27/09 12:16:23 >> JULIA?
08/27/09 12:16:23 YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING.
08/27/09 12:16:26 >> IS THAT SOMETHING CITY
08/27/09 12:16:26 COUNCIL WANTS TO MOVE FORWARD
08/27/09 12:16:29 WITH I I HAVE QUESTIONS AND
08/27/09 12:16:31 COMMENTS ON MOVING FORWARD WITH
08/27/09 12:16:32 THE TASK FORCE.
08/27/09 12:16:33 >> WELL, EVEN WITH THAT ISSUE
08/27/09 12:16:36 AND GO BACK TO WHAT YOU
08/27/09 12:16:38 SAID
08/27/09 12:16:41 EARLIER, NO ONE ELSE HERE BUT
08/27/09 12:16:43 MR. PORTER REPRESENTING THE
08/27/09 12:16:43 INDUSTRY.
08/27/09 12:16:44 I BELIEVE THERE WAS A NUMBER OF
08/27/09 12:16:48 PEOPLE THAT STOOD UP
08/27/09 12:16:51 AND
08/27/09 12:16:52 SUPPORTED THE EXISTING CODE.
08/27/09 12:16:55 YOUR ALMOST 50/50 SPLIT ON THE
08/27/09 12:16:56 ISSUE, AND IT'S MY
08/27/09 12:16:58 UNDERSTANDING THAT THOSE WHO
08/27/09 12:17:01 ARE SUPPORTING ALL THE EXISTING
08/27/09 12:17:03 CODE --AND LISTEN, Y'ALL, YOU
08/27/09 12:17:05 NEED TO BE CAREFUL HERE.
08/27/09 12:17:06 I'VE HAD SEVERAL BRIEFINGS WITH
08/27/09 12:17:08 THE STAFF AND ADMINISTRATION,
08/27/09 12:17:10 WITH LEGAL ON THIS ISSUE, AND
08/27/09 12:17:11 THERE'S SOME THINGS I CAN'T SAY
08/27/09 12:17:13 ON THE RECORD TODAY, BECAUSE
08/27/09 12:17:16 HERE AGAIN, IT PUTS THE CITY AT
08/27/09 12:17:16 A DISADVANTAGE.
08/27/09 12:17:17 SO WE NEED TO BE VERY CAREFUL
08/27/09 12:17:20 ON HOW WE WANT TO PROCEED
08/27/09 12:17:22 WITH
08/27/09 12:17:22 THIS ISSUE.
08/27/09 12:17:23 >> YES?
08/27/09 12:17:26 >> THE POINT WAS TO HAVE THE
08/27/09 12:17:27 PUBLIC, ANYONE AND THE PEOPLE
08/27/09 12:17:30 WHO ON EITHER SIDE OR PEOPLE IN
08/27/09 12:17:36 THE IDEA OF A TASK FORTS
08/27/09 12:17:38 IS TO
08/27/09 12:17:38 HAVE A CONSENSUS.
08/27/09 12:17:40 I WOULD ASSUME THAT LEGAL WOULD
08/27/09 12:17:42 BE RUNNING THE MEETINGS SO WE
08/27/09 12:17:45 COULDN'T BE EVEN --WE WOULD
08/27/09 12:17:45 BE
08/27/09 12:17:46 TALKING ABOUT WHAT OUR --AND
08/27/09 12:17:49 POSSIBLE FOR US TO
08/27/09 12:17:51 DO WITHIN
08/27/09 12:17:53 THE CURRENT LAW.
08/27/09 12:17:53 SO --
08/27/09 12:17:55 >> IF COUNCIL'S DESIRE IS TO
08/27/09 12:17:59 SET UP A TASK FORCE PROCESS, WE
08/27/09 12:18:01 CAN TALK ABOUT THAT.
08/27/09 12:18:02 FIGURE OUT HOW IT BOWL WORK.
08/27/09 12:18:05 FIGURE OUT THE SCOPE OF COUNCIL
08/27/09 12:18:06 ON THOSE ISSUES.
08/27/09 12:18:08 AS I THINK WHAT CHAIRMAN SCOTT
08/27/09 12:18:11 ALLUDING SO IS I DON'T KNOW THE
08/27/09 12:18:12 BEST WAY TO SAY THAT OTHER THAN
08/27/09 12:18:14 THAN TO SAY WHEN WE GET INTO
08/27/09 12:18:16 THE DETAILS OF THE 2005 STATE
08/27/09 12:18:18 ACT MANDATE, WHAT WE HAVE IN
08/27/09 12:18:21 OUR CODE NOW AND WHAT THE
08/27/09 12:18:24 FEDERAL COMMUNICATIONS ACT
08/27/09 12:18:25 REQUIRED BACK THEN, I JUST WANT
08/27/09 12:18:26 TO CAUTION THAT IT'S POSSIBLE
08/27/09 12:18:29 WE CAN COME BACK AND HAVE TO
08/27/09 12:18:31 TELL YOU THAT WE CAN'T BE AS
08/27/09 12:18:33 RESTRICTIVE AS THE CODE
08/27/09 12:18:34 REQUIRES NOW.
08/27/09 12:18:36 THERE'S A RISK OF THAT.
08/27/09 12:18:39 I DON'T WANT TO SAY THAT THAT'S
08/27/09 12:18:41 CONCLUSIVE OR THAT THE CODE IS
08/27/09 12:18:41 FLAWED.
08/27/09 12:18:43 I DON'T BELIEVE IT IS.
08/27/09 12:18:46 BUT AS WE GET INTO IT,
08/27/09 12:18:46 WE GET
08/27/09 12:18:49 GOO THE RISK THAT WE MAY HAVE
08/27/09 12:18:51 TO GIVE YOU THE ADVICE THAT
08/27/09 12:18:52 IT'S FLAWED.
08/27/09 12:18:55 >> YOU'D HAVE TO GIVE US THAT
08/27/09 12:18:55 THAT ANYWAY.
08/27/09 12:18:56 >> RIGHT.
08/27/09 12:18:57 >> I UNDERSTAND THAT
08/27/09 12:18:57 COMPLETELY.
08/27/09 12:18:59 THAT'S THE POINT OF DOING THIS
08/27/09 12:19:00 WITH OUR CITY ATTORNEYS IS TO
08/27/09 12:19:03 SEE IF IT'S POSSIBLE TO CHANGE
08/27/09 12:19:03 IT.
08/27/09 12:19:06 THAT WOULD BE NUMBER ONE.
08/27/09 12:19:07 FOR EACH, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER
08/27/09 12:19:09 SUGGESTIONS COULD COME OUT OF
08/27/09 12:19:09 THE MEETING.
08/27/09 12:19:12 >> THE ON THE LINE ISSUE
08/27/09 12:19:13 THAT I
08/27/09 12:19:15 HEARD, JOHN, YOU RAISED IT TOO,
08/27/09 12:19:16 WAS THAT THEY WANTED TO SCHOOL
08/27/09 12:19:19 BOARD TO HAVE A PUBLIC
08/27/09 12:19:20 HEARING.
08/27/09 12:19:23 WHY NOT ASK THE SCHOOL BOARD TO
08/27/09 12:19:26 REVIEW THEIR PROCESS THAT WILL
08/27/09 12:19:28 ALLOW A PUBLIC HEARING FOR
08/27/09 12:19:31 THOSE --FOR THAT PARTICULAR
08/27/09 12:19:32 ISSUE?
08/27/09 12:19:33 WHY FORM A TASK FORCE ON THIS
08/27/09 12:19:36 THING ALL THE WAY UP AND PUT
08/27/09 12:19:38 OUR ORDNANCE AT RISK WHEN THE
08/27/09 12:19:40 ONLY THING I'M HEARING IS WE
08/27/09 12:19:41 WANT A PUBLIC HEARING?
08/27/09 12:19:42 SEND SOMETHING OVER TO THE
08/27/09 12:19:45 SCHOOL BOARD IF THAT'S NOT
08/27/09 12:19:46 PART
08/27/09 12:19:48 OF THE PROCESS AND ENCOURAGE
08/27/09 12:19:49 THEM OR ASK THEM TO HAVE A
08/27/09 12:19:52 PROCESS WHERE THE
08/27/09 12:19:55 PUBLIC CAN
08/27/09 12:19:57 PARTICIPATE?
08/27/09 12:20:00 >> THAT WOULD SOLVE THE WHOLE
08/27/09 12:20:00 PROBLEM.
08/27/09 12:20:00 WE WANT A PUBLIC PROCESS.
08/27/09 12:20:02 [ OVERLAPPING SPEAKERS ]
08/27/09 12:20:05 >>
08/27/09 12:20:08 MR. CHAIRMAN, THANK YOU.
08/27/09 12:20:10 WE HAVE A STATE STATUTE THAT WE
08/27/09 12:20:11 NODE TO FOLLOW.
08/27/09 12:20:13 WITH A PUBLIC HEARING, IT'S
08/27/09 12:20:14 GOING TO DELAY THE INEVITABLE.
08/27/09 12:20:16 THAT'S ALL IT'S GOING TO DO.
08/27/09 12:20:19 AND I JUST --I
08/27/09 12:20:20 DON'T
08/27/09 12:20:21 PARTICULARLY WANT TO SEE THAT.
08/27/09 12:20:24 WE HAVE TO FOLLOW WHAT'S
08/27/09 12:20:24 ALREADY THERE.
08/27/09 12:20:27 IT'S BEEN THERE FOR TEN
08/27/09 12:20:28 YEARS,
08/27/09 12:20:29 THAT'S HOW LONG.
08/27/09 12:20:32 WE MAY BE ONLY
08/27/09 12:20:35 ABLE TO CHANGE
08/27/09 12:20:37 THE VEGETATION AROUND THE
08/27/09 12:20:37 MONSTROSITY.
08/27/09 12:20:39 AND I AGREE, IT DOESN'T LOOK
08/27/09 12:20:39 GOOD.
08/27/09 12:20:41 MAYBE THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE
08/27/09 12:20:41 MONEY.
08/27/09 12:20:44 THAT'S GOING TO
08/27/09 12:20:44 BE THEIR
08/27/09 12:20:44 EXCUSE.
08/27/09 12:20:46 >> MR. CHAIRMAN, I HAVE TO
08/27/09 12:20:48 AGREE WITH WHAT YOU SAID AND
08/27/09 12:20:49 I'D BE WILLING TO HELP BOTH
08/27/09 12:20:52 SIDES GO TO THE SCHOOL BOARD TO
08/27/09 12:20:53 BRING IT TO A HEARING.
08/27/09 12:20:55 THERE'S NO PROBLEM WITH THAT.
08/27/09 12:20:58 WHAT I SAY IS,
08/27/09 12:21:01 YOU'RE GOING TO
08/27/09 12:21:01 OPEN THIS.
08/27/09 12:21:04 THIS WAS PASSED
08/27/09 12:21:05 IN 1998 AND
08/27/09 12:21:05 APPROVED IN 1999.
08/27/09 12:21:08 I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY
08/27/09 12:21:08 ARE.
08/27/09 12:21:09 MAYBE SOMEONE DOES --BUT I
08/27/09 12:21:11 DON'T KNOW ANYONE ON THE BOARD
08/27/09 12:21:14 THAT KNOWS
08/27/09 12:21:15 WHAT THE LAWS ARE.
08/27/09 12:21:17 WHO KNOWS WHAT'S THERE?
08/27/09 12:21:20 I DON'T TO RISK --THIS
08/27/09 12:21:23 ORDNANCE HAS BEEN THERE FOR TEN
08/27/09 12:21:25 YEARS, IT'S 11, BUT I SAY TEN.
08/27/09 12:21:27 NEVER DID IT HAVE ONE
08/27/09 12:21:28 CHALLENGE.
08/27/09 12:21:31 NOT ONE THAT I KNOW
08/27/09 12:21:31 OF.
08/27/09 12:21:34 SO HAS IT WORKED?
08/27/09 12:21:37 HAS IT BEEN
08/27/09 12:21:39 APPLICABLE?
08/27/09 12:21:40 WAS IT SENSIBLE?
08/27/09 12:21:42 THE COMMUNITY CAME IN AND DISS
08/27/09 12:21:43 CUSSED THE ISSUE.
08/27/09 12:21:45 IT TOOK A LONG TIME.
08/27/09 12:21:47 IN THE AUDIENCE TODAY IS IS A
08/27/09 12:21:48 VERY SMALL AMOUNT OF GOOD
08/27/09 12:21:51 CITIZENS THAT CAME OUT TODAY
08/27/09 12:21:52 TO
08/27/09 12:21:53 EXPRESS THEIR FEELINGS.
08/27/09 12:21:56 WHAT WAS HERE THEN WAS A
08/27/09 12:21:57 MUCH
08/27/09 12:21:58 LARGER NUMBER, A MUCH LARGER
08/27/09 12:21:59 CROSS SECTION THAT CAME AND
08/27/09 12:22:02 EXPRESSED THEIR FEELINGS AND
08/27/09 12:22:05 THIS IS A CULMINATION OF WHAT
08/27/09 12:22:07 WAS DONE THEN.
08/27/09 12:22:07 DO THINGS CHANGE?
08/27/09 12:22:07 YEAH, THINGS CHANGE.
08/27/09 12:22:08 THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED
08/27/09 12:22:10 STATES OF AMERICA HAS BEEN ONCE
08/27/09 12:22:13 IN A WHILE, YOU KNOW, ADDED
08/27/09 12:22:14 THINGS TO IT.
08/27/09 12:22:16 BUT NOT OFTEN.
08/27/09 12:22:16 IS THIS PERFECT?
08/27/09 12:22:17 NO, IT'S NOT PERFECT.
08/27/09 12:22:19 THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT
08/27/09 12:22:20 ARE NOT PERFECT.
08/27/09 12:22:23 AND WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT I
08/27/09 12:22:25 AGREE WITH WHAT YOU SAID, IF
08/27/09 12:22:26 THERE'S A PROBLEM, THEY HAVE
08/27/09 12:22:29 THE DIRECTIVE TO GO TO
08/27/09 12:22:29 THE
08/27/09 12:22:29 SCHOOL BOARD.
08/27/09 12:22:31 THEY'RE ELECTED LIKE WE ARE,
08/27/09 12:22:34 THEY WON.
08/27/09 12:22:37 AND I APPLAUD THEM
08/27/09 12:22:38 FOR WINNING.
08/27/09 12:22:40 BUT IT'S A SITUATION THAT IT'S
08/27/09 12:22:42 TIME TO TAKE THE RESPONSIVE
08/27/09 12:22:43 ACTION LIKE YOU SAID AND THAT
08/27/09 12:22:46 IS THE SCHOOL BOARD.
08/27/09 12:22:47 >> COUNCILWOMAN MILLER?
08/27/09 12:22:49 >> THANK YOU, MR. MIRANDA, YOU
08/27/09 12:22:50 ARE SO CORRECT.
08/27/09 12:22:53 BACK IN '95 AND '96, IS AN
08/27/09 12:22:55 AUDITORIUM FULL OF PEOPLE
08/27/09 12:22:56 TALKING ABOUT THE CELL TOWERS,
08/27/09 12:22:59 WE WENT ON FOR MONTHS AND
08/27/09 12:23:00 MONTHS AND MONTHS.
08/27/09 12:23:02 I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT I SAID.
08/27/09 12:23:04 HE BROUGHT MY UP-TO-DATE ON
08/27/09 12:23:04 WHAT I SAID.
08/27/09 12:23:05 BUT WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY
08/27/09 12:23:05 PROBLEMS.
08/27/09 12:23:06 THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WE HAVE
08/27/09 12:23:09 HAD PEOPLE TO COME
08/27/09 12:23:10 UP AND
08/27/09 12:23:13 DISCUSS THE CELL TOWER
08/27/09 12:23:13 ORDNANCE.
08/27/09 12:23:14 IT'S NOT PERFECT.
08/27/09 12:23:17 YOU CAN TELL IT'S STILL NOT
08/27/09 12:23:17 GOING TO BE PERFECT.
08/27/09 12:23:19 AND WE CAN'T KEEP THING THE
08/27/09 12:23:22 ORDNANCE EVERY FIVE OR TEN
08/27/09 12:23:23 YEARS, YOU HAVE TO KEEP
08/27/09 12:23:24 SOMETHING ON THE BOOKS THAT'S
08/27/09 12:23:25 GOING TO WORK.
08/27/09 12:23:26 THIS HAS BEEN WORKING AND I
08/27/09 12:23:28 DON'T SEE ANYTHING WRONG WITH
08/27/09 12:23:28 IT.
08/27/09 12:23:31 THE VEGETATION IS ALREADY IN
08/27/09 12:23:33 THE ORDNANCE THAT YOU SHOULD
08/27/09 12:23:36 PUT IT IN AS THE QUESTION WHEN
08/27/09 12:23:38 THEY PUT IT UP.
08/27/09 12:23:40 THE NEIGHBORS WANTED SOMETHING
08/27/09 12:23:43 TO MAKE
08/27/09 12:23:46 IT PRETTY IN THEIR
08/27/09 12:23:46 NEIGHBORHOOD.
08/27/09 12:23:47 >> THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR?
08/27/09 12:23:50 >> I HAD A QUESTION FOR LEGAL
08/27/09 12:23:53 FOR EITHER OF
08/27/09 12:23:54 OUR ATTORNEYS.
08/27/09 12:23:56 SO SINCE THIS ORDNANCE WAS
08/27/09 12:23:59 PASSED, WHICH
08/27/09 12:23:59 LAWS CHANGED?
08/27/09 12:24:02 >> THE
08/27/09 12:24:07 FLORIDA STATUTORY.
08/27/09 12:24:10 >> SO THE FLORIDA STATUTE CAME
08/27/09 12:24:10 INTO EFFECT.
08/27/09 12:24:12 WOULDN'T THAT BE A REASON TO
08/27/09 12:24:13 REVISIT THE ORDNANCE SINCE THE
08/27/09 12:24:16 STATE LAW AS CHANGED?
08/27/09 12:24:17 >> IN LOOKING AT IT, AT THIS
08/27/09 12:24:18 POINT, THERE MAY BE SOME
08/27/09 12:24:19 PROVISIONS THAT NEED TO CHANGE.
08/27/09 12:24:22 IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE MAY,
08/27/09 12:24:24 OVER TIME NEED TO LOOK AT IF
08/27/09 12:24:25 IT'S AN ISSUE.
08/27/09 12:24:28 BUT THE ISSUE HASN'T COME
08/27/09 12:24:28 UP.
08/27/09 12:24:30 MR. MR. FLETCHER A SAYING TO
08/27/09 12:24:32 YOU IS THAT THERE'S SOME
08/27/09 12:24:33 PROTECTIONS IN THE ORDNANCE
08/27/09 12:24:36 THAT WHEN YOU START TO
08/27/09 12:24:36 CHANGE
08/27/09 12:24:38 SOMETHING, IT MAY CAUSE OTHER
08/27/09 12:24:39 THINGS TO BE CHANGED.
08/27/09 12:24:42 WE HAVE
08/27/09 12:24:43 SPENT TIME ANALYZING IT
08/27/09 12:24:44 AND --
08/27/09 12:24:47 >> I DON'T WANT TO SUGGEST THAT
08/27/09 12:24:50 THE CAUTION THAT I PROVIDED
08/27/09 12:24:51 WOULD SUGGEST YOU SHOULDN'T DO
08/27/09 12:24:51 A TASK FORCE.
08/27/09 12:24:54 IF YOU WANT TO DO A
08/27/09 12:24:55 TASK FORCE.
08/27/09 12:24:55 THAT'S FINE.
08/27/09 12:24:57 WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST IS I CAN
08/27/09 12:24:59 SIT DOWN WITH YOU AND GO
08/27/09 12:25:00 THROUGH THE AREAS THAT YOU
08/27/09 12:25:03 SHOULD
08/27/09 12:25:06 BE AWARE OF OF WHERE THE
08/27/09 12:25:09 STATUTES CHANGE AND THE OLD
08/27/09 12:25:12 ORDNANCE AND HOW THAT MIGHT
08/27/09 12:25:12 PLAY OUT.
08/27/09 12:25:15 I THINK THAT WOULD BE
08/27/09 12:25:15 APPROPRIATE.
08/27/09 12:25:17 >> YES AND.
08/27/09 12:25:20 >> MR. CHAIRMAN, I'M JUST
08/27/09 12:25:20 MR.
08/27/09 12:25:21 KUMBAYA TODAY, I THINK WE
08/27/09 12:25:22 SHOULD DO IT IN STEPS.
08/27/09 12:25:26 I THINK THE FIRST THING
08/27/09 12:25:26 WE
08/27/09 12:25:29 SHOULD DO IS GO AHEAD AND IN A
08/27/09 12:25:32 FORMAL WAY,
08/27/09 12:25:33 UNDER YOUR
08/27/09 12:25:34 SIGNATURE, IS FORMALLY REQUEST
08/27/09 12:25:37 THAT THE SCHOOL BOARD ADOPT IN
08/27/09 12:25:39 THEIR FORMAL RULES, NOT IN
08/27/09 12:25:40 THESE CASUAL PROCESS THINGS BUT
08/27/09 12:25:43 IN THE FORMAL RULES OR WHATEVER
08/27/09 12:25:44 REGULATIONS THEY ABIDE BY, THAT
08/27/09 12:25:47 THEY WOULD HAVE A PUBLIC
08/27/09 12:25:48 HEARING AN THOSE MATTERS.
08/27/09 12:25:50 THEY DON'T HAVE THAT NOW.
08/27/09 12:25:50 OKAY?
08/27/09 12:25:51 >> SECONDS.
08/27/09 12:25:53 >> IF THEY COME BACK, EITHER
08/27/09 12:25:55 COME BACK AND SAY NO THANK YOU
08/27/09 12:25:56 OR IT'S OBVIOUS WITHIN A
08/27/09 12:25:59 CERTAIN TIME PERIOD, THEY WON'T
08/27/09 12:26:01 DO THAT YOU THEN I THINK WE
08/27/09 12:26:02 SHOULD DROP BACK TO THE IDEA
08/27/09 12:26:05 YOU HAVE SAYING THERE ARE
08/27/09 12:26:06 ISSUES HERE, IF WE HAVE A SPLIT
08/27/09 12:26:08 COMMUNITY AND THERE ARE PEOPLE
08/27/09 12:26:09 WILLING TO COME DOWN HERE ASK
08/27/09 12:26:12 IT IS
08/27/09 12:26:13 HERE, THEY DESERVE TO
08/27/09 12:26:15 RIGHT TO HASH THESE OUT IN
08/27/09 12:26:16 WORKSHOPS AND MEETINGS AND COME
08/27/09 12:26:19 TO US WITH SOME TYPE OF
08/27/09 12:26:22 LEGALLY
08/27/09 12:26:24 APPROPRIATE RECOMMENDATIONS.
08/27/09 12:26:25 I'M GOING TO ENCOURAGE MRS.
08/27/09 12:26:27 MULHERN TO ACCEPT THE AMENDMENT
08/27/09 12:26:30 AND DO IT AS A
08/27/09 12:26:32 TWO STEP
08/27/09 12:26:32 PROCESS.
08/27/09 12:26:33 >> AT LEGAL?
08/27/09 12:26:35 >> THE FIRST THING WE DO IS
08/27/09 12:26:36 SEND THE LETTER OVER TO SCHOOL
08/27/09 12:26:37 BOARD, AND THE SECOND THING WE
08/27/09 12:26:40 DO, IF THEY DON'T DO THAT IS
08/27/09 12:26:42 COME BACK AND HOLD A WORKSHOPS
08/27/09 12:26:43 --NOT WORKSHOPS, TASK FORCE.
08/27/09 12:26:46 >> I'M NOT GOING
08/27/09 12:26:47 DO SUPPORT THE
08/27/09 12:26:49 TASK FORCE.
08/27/09 12:26:50 WE CAN SEPARATE THAT OUT.
08/27/09 12:26:51 I'M IN SUPPORT OF SENDING THE
08/27/09 12:26:54 LETTER TO THE SCHOOL
08/27/09 12:26:55 BOARD TO
08/27/09 12:26:57 REVIEW THEIR PROCESS.
08/27/09 12:27:00 >> THAT'S NOT VERY KUMBAYA OF
08/27/09 12:27:01 YOU.
08/27/09 12:27:04 [
08/27/09 12:27:04 LAUGHTER ]
08/27/09 12:27:05 >> YEAH.
08/27/09 12:27:05 [ INDISCERNIBLE ]
08/27/09 12:27:08 >> THAT'S
08/27/09 12:27:11 THE MOTION ON
08/27/09 12:27:12 THE
08/27/09 12:27:12 FLOOR.
08/27/09 12:27:14 >> I'D LIKE TO CALL THE
08/27/09 12:27:16 QUESTION AND VOTE ON MY MOTION.
08/27/09 12:27:18 WE CAN VOTE ON THE OTHER AFTER.
08/27/09 12:27:21 >> YOU DON'T WANT TO SET
08/27/09 12:27:22 THIS
08/27/09 12:27:22 IN.
08/27/09 12:27:24 MOTION IS TO THE TASK FORCE.
08/27/09 12:27:27 MOVED AND SECOND, ALL IN FAVOR
08/27/09 12:27:30 OF
08/27/09 12:27:32 APPOINTING A TASK FORCE?
08/27/09 12:27:34 SAY AYI?
08/27/09 12:27:37 >>
08/27/09 12:27:39 AYE.
08/27/09 12:27:40 >> ALL OPPOSERS?
08/27/09 12:27:40 NAY.
08/27/09 12:27:41 >> MOTION FAILED.
08/27/09 12:27:44 >>
08/27/09 12:27:44 OKAY.
08/27/09 12:27:46 >> YOU WANT THE AYES?
08/27/09 12:27:49 >> ROLL
08/27/09 12:27:51 CALL, MR. CHAIRMAN.
08/27/09 12:27:54 >>
08/27/09 12:27:56 KATANO?
08/27/09 12:27:56 >> SAUSAENA?
08/27/09 12:27:56 >> YES.
08/27/09 12:28:00 >>
08/27/09 12:28:04 MILLER?
08/27/09 12:28:04 >> NO.
08/27/09 12:28:07 >> I
08/27/09 12:28:11 INGFELDER?
08/27/09 12:28:11 >> NO.
08/27/09 12:28:13 MOTION FAILED WITH KATANO,
08/27/09 12:28:16 MILLER, SCOTT AND MIRANDA
08/27/09 12:28:16 VOTING NO.
08/27/09 12:28:16 >> OKAY.
08/27/09 12:28:19 >> YOU WANT TO MAKE
08/27/09 12:28:22 THAT MOTION
08/27/09 12:28:22 ABOUT SCHOOL BOARD?
08/27/09 12:28:22 OKAY.
08/27/09 12:28:26 MR. CHAIRMAN, IN
08/27/09 12:28:27 LIGHT OF THAT
08/27/09 12:28:30 FAILURE, I MOVE YOUR SUGGESTION
08/27/09 12:28:32 OF SENDING A FORMAL LETTER TO
08/27/09 12:28:34 THE SCHOOL BOARD TO ASK THEM TO
08/27/09 12:28:36 HAVE A PUBLICLY NOTICED AND
08/27/09 12:28:37 PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS,
08/27/09 12:28:40 INCLUDED IN THEIR
08/27/09 12:28:41 FORMAL RULE.
08/27/09 12:28:41 >> SECOND.
08/27/09 12:28:43 >> FOR CELL TOWERS.
08/27/09 12:28:46 >> ALL IN
08/27/09 12:28:47 FAVOR, AYE?
08/27/09 12:28:49 >> OPPOSERS?
08/27/09 12:28:50 >> THAT WOULD BE MR. SHELLY.
08/27/09 12:28:51 >> THANK YOU.
08/27/09 12:28:53 >> THIS IS ABOUT THE NEXT
08/27/09 12:28:54 ISSUE.
08/27/09 12:28:55 >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
08/27/09 12:28:55 IT'S 12:30.
08/27/09 12:28:57 SO WE NEED TO --
08/27/09 12:29:00 >> THIS IS MY DISCUSSION, MR.
08/27/09 12:29:00 CHAIRMAN.
08/27/09 12:29:02 I'M REALLY INTERESTED IN HAVING
08/27/09 12:29:04 A SPECIAL --IN HAVING A
08/27/09 12:29:06 DISCUSSION ABOUT THE ELEVATIONS
08/27/09 12:29:07 AND ALL THAT.
08/27/09 12:29:09 WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST IS THAT
08/27/09 12:29:11 FOR THE COUNCIL MEMBERS ABLE TO
08/27/09 12:29:13 COME BACK AT 1:30 THAT WE HAVE
08/27/09 12:29:15 A SPECIAL DISCUSSION MEETING OF
08/27/09 12:29:15 THAT.
08/27/09 12:29:17 IF SOMETHING COMES OF THAT, WE
08/27/09 12:29:20 BRING THAT BACK TO
08/27/09 12:29:22 THE FULL
08/27/09 12:29:22 COUNCIL.
08/27/09 12:29:23 >> AT 1:30?
08/27/09 12:29:26 >> WE WERE SUPPOSED TO TALK
08/27/09 12:29:27 ABOUT THAT AT 11:30.
08/27/09 12:29:30 THE FOR THE COUNCIL MEMBERS
08/27/09 12:29:31 WHO
08/27/09 12:29:32 ARE INTERESTED, COME BACK AT
08/27/09 12:29:35 1:30 AND TALK ABOUT THE
08/27/09 12:29:36 PLANS.
08/27/09 12:29:37 >> I HAVE ANOTHER APPOINTMENT.
08/27/09 12:29:38 >> I'M REALLY INTERESTED IN THE
08/27/09 12:29:39 ADMINISTRATIONS THAT I CAN'T
08/27/09 12:29:40 TALK TO THE STAFF.
08/27/09 12:29:43 UNLESS --OR HEAR
08/27/09 12:29:44 AT COUNCIL.
08/27/09 12:29:45 [ OVERLAPPING SPEAKERS ]
08/27/09 12:29:48 >> YOU ALLOW ME
08/27/09 12:29:49 TO COME BACK AT
08/27/09 12:29:50 1:30.
08/27/09 12:29:51 >> CONTINUE AT ANOTHER
08/27/09 12:29:51 WORKSHOP?
08/27/09 12:29:53 >> I'D RATHER HAVE A
08/27/09 12:29:54 PRELIMINARY DISCUSSION NOW.
08/27/09 12:29:57 >> IF I MAY, COUNCIL,
08/27/09 12:29:58 JUST TO
08/27/09 12:30:01 REMIND,
08/27/09 12:30:03 WE HAD A DISCUSSION
08/27/09 12:30:03 NEEDING.
08/27/09 12:30:05 >> BUT WE HAVE A NEW STAFF
08/27/09 12:30:05 MEMBER.
08/27/09 12:30:08 >> YOU WANT TO COME BACK AT
08/27/09 12:30:08 1:30?
08/27/09 12:30:09 >> THAT'S FINE.
08/27/09 12:30:10 >> FOR A SPECIAL DISCUSSION
08/27/09 12:30:10 NEEDING?
08/27/09 12:30:13 >> MR. CHAIRMAN, I HAVE A
08/27/09 12:30:14 MEETING AT 2:00 IN THE COUNTY
08/27/09 12:30:15 OFFICE BUILDING.
08/27/09 12:30:17 >> YOU DON'T HAVE TO COME.
08/27/09 12:30:20 >> WE HAVE A SPECIAL DISCUSSION
08/27/09 12:30:21 MEETING, OKAY?
08/27/09 12:30:24 >> IN THE OTHER ITEM, 11:30,
08/27/09 12:30:25 THE TRANSFER DEVELOPMENT
08/27/09 12:30:25 RIGHTS.
08/27/09 12:30:28 DO WE WANT TO CONTINUE THAT
08/27/09 12:30:28 TO
08/27/09 12:30:30 ANOTHER DATE?
08/27/09 12:30:30 >> SO MOVE.
08/27/09 12:30:32 >> ANY OBJECTIONS?
08/27/09 12:30:32 >> DO WE NEED TO?
08/27/09 12:30:34 >> WE NEED TO DO LEGAL?
08/27/09 12:30:37 >> I BELIEVE THIS WAS SET A
08/27/09 12:30:40 WHILE AGO AS A RESULT OF
08/27/09 12:30:41 OUR
08/27/09 12:30:43 ADOPTIONS OF THE TDR ORDNANCE.
08/27/09 12:30:45 BUT FRANKLY, NOTHING BROUGHT
08/27/09 12:30:45 FORWARD TO ME.
08/27/09 12:30:48 THIS IS BEEN IN ACTIVITY
08/27/09 12:30:50 ON THE
08/27/09 12:30:50 TBRs.
08/27/09 12:30:52 >> WE DON'T NEED TO DO ANYTHING
08/27/09 12:30:52 WITH IT?
08/27/09 12:30:55 >> I BROUGHT YOU THE MOST
08/27/09 12:30:56 LEGALLY ORDNANCE I CAN.
08/27/09 12:30:58 >> I MOVE THAT WE JUST BRING
08/27/09 12:31:00 THE TBR THINK TO THE CITY
08/27/09 12:31:01 COUNCIL FOR A VOTE.
08/27/09 12:31:03 >> YOU ALREADY ADOPTED IT.
08/27/09 12:31:05 >> FOR DISCUSSION?
08/27/09 12:31:07 >> THIS IS JUST TO DISCUSS
08/27/09 12:31:07 ADDITIONAL OPTIONS.
08/27/09 12:31:10 >> LET'S STRIKE IT FROM THE
08/27/09 12:31:10 AGENDA.
08/27/09 12:31:13 >> ALL IN FAVOR,
08/27/09 12:31:15 SAY AYE.
08/27/09 12:31:17 >> AYE.
08/27/09 12:31:18 >> ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.
08/27/09 12:31:18 >> ANYTHING ELSE?
08/27/09 12:31:21 >> DID SHE
08/27/09 12:31:24 NEED A
08/27/09 12:31:26 VOTE ON HER
08/27/09 12:31:27 SPECIAL DISCUSSION MEETING?
08/27/09 12:31:29 >> I THINK WE DO.
08/27/09 12:31:32 >> I'LL SECOND HER MOTION FOR A
08/27/09 12:31:34 MEETING AT 1:30.
08/27/09 12:31:37 >> ALL IN
08/27/09 12:31:38 FAVOR, AYE.
08/27/09 12:31:40 >> AYE.
08/27/09 12:31:40 >> THANK YOU.
08/27/09 12:31:43 >> WE STAND
08/27/09 12:31:43 --
08/27/09 12:31:43 >> COUNCIL?
08/27/09 12:31:46 >> I HAD ONE ADDITION WHEN I
08/27/09 12:31:49 TALKED ABOUT THE BUDGET
08/27/09 12:31:49 COMMITTEE.
08/27/09 12:31:51 THE BUDGET WORKSHOP ON
08/27/09 12:31:51 SEPTEMBER 3rd.
08/27/09 12:31:54 I NEED TO ADD
08/27/09 12:31:57 TWO TOPICS OF
08/27/09 12:31:58 REPORT FROM THE BUDGET RECTOR.
08/27/09 12:32:01 >> HEY, MR. PORTER, HEM IT DOWN
08/27/09 12:32:04 IN THE BACK THERE.
08/27/09 12:32:05 WE'RE STILL IN SESSION.
08/27/09 12:32:07 GO AHEAD.
08/27/09 12:32:10 WHY DID YOU NEED TO ASK?
08/27/09 12:32:12 CAN YOU BRING THAT TONIGHT?
08/27/09 12:32:12 >> YEAH.
08/27/09 12:32:13 >> WE STAND RECESS.
08/27/09 12:32:16 THANK YOU.

08/27/09 13:45:25 .
08/27/09 13:45:25 >>> MIKE CALLAHAN URBAN DESIGN
08/27/09 13:45:25 CORDINATOR
08/27/09 13:47:00 >>> WE HAVE UNUSED LOTS
08/27/09 13:47:01 FOR
08/27/09 13:47:01 SURFACE PARKING.
08/27/09 13:47:04 THEY ARE DIRT
08/27/09 13:47:08 LOTS.
08/27/09 13:47:08 THEY HAVE BEEN THERE.
08/27/09 13:47:09 THAT ISN'T ALLOWED IS IT?
08/27/09 13:47:12 OKAY
08/27/09 13:47:15 --WHERE
08/27/09 13:47:18 ARE YOU
08/27/09 13:47:21 REFERRING
08/27/09 13:47:22 TO THESE LOTS IN THE DOWNTOWN
08/27/09 13:47:22 YBOR CITY?
08/27/09 13:47:25 >>
08/27/09 13:47:26 [ INAUDIBLE ].
08/27/09 13:47:29 >> I CAN'T SPEAK THE
08/27/09 13:47:30 ALL OF
08/27/09 13:47:33 THOSE
08/27/09 13:47:36 ON
08/27/09 13:47:38 THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
08/27/09 13:47:40 THERE WERE GRANDFATHERED LOTS
08/27/09 13:47:40 DOWNTOWN?
08/27/09 13:47:43 CAN'T WE SAY GUESS WHAT?
08/27/09 13:47:43 WE ARE GROWING UP.
08/27/09 13:47:45 YOU CAN'T BE GRANDFATHERED
08/27/09 13:47:45 FOREVER AS A DIRT LOT?
08/27/09 13:47:47 DIDN'T WE COME UP WITH RULE
08/27/09 13:47:49 WHERE IS YOU HAVE TO MAKE AN
08/27/09 13:47:50 INVESTMENT TO MAKE IT MORE
08/27/09 13:47:51 ATTRACTIVE?
08/27/09 13:47:53 I THINK WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS
08/27/09 13:47:54 RAISE QUESTIONS TODAY AND HAVE
08/27/09 13:47:57 A FOLLOW UP TO THIS
08/27/09 13:47:59 CONVERSATION AFTER YOU HAVE HAD
08/27/09 13:48:01 AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO RESEARCH.
08/27/09 13:48:04 IF WE HAVE RULES LET'S ENFORCE
08/27/09 13:48:04 THEM.
08/27/09 13:48:04 IF WE DON'T HAVE RULES LET'S
08/27/09 13:48:07 CREATE THEM.
08/27/09 13:48:09 OTHER ISSUES THAT CONCERN OUR
08/27/09 13:48:12 COMMUNITY
08/27/09 13:48:15 IS THE
08/27/09 13:48:16 ABILITY TO --
08/27/09 13:48:18 IF OUR GOAL DOWNTOWN IS TO
08/27/09 13:48:21 CREATE AS WALKABLE
08/27/09 13:48:21 A PEDESTRIAN
08/27/09 13:48:22 EXPERIENCE AS POSSIBLE, WE NEED
08/27/09 13:48:25 TO INSIST UPON SIDEWALKS BEING
08/27/09 13:48:28 AS WIDE AS THEY CAN POSSIBLY
08/27/09 13:48:29 BE
08/27/09 13:48:32 AND ENCOURAGE
08/27/09 13:48:35 PETITIONERS TO
08/27/09 13:48:38 PUT UP AWNINGS AND THINGS.
08/27/09 13:48:40 REMEMBER, WE LOOKED INTO
08/27/09 13:48:41 EMPOWERING AWNINGS SO PROPERTY
08/27/09 13:48:44 MEMBERS WOULDN'T HAVE
08/27/09 13:48:44 TO COME
08/27/09 13:48:44 BEFORE COUNCIL.
08/27/09 13:48:47 IF WE COULD LOOK
08/27/09 13:48:52 INTO THAT THAT
08/27/09 13:48:52 WOULD BE GOOD.
08/27/09 13:48:52 A-FRAME SIGNS.
08/27/09 13:48:55 THEY ARE PEDESTRIAN-FRIENDLY
08/27/09 13:48:57 .
08/27/09 13:48:58 CURRENTLY WE DISALLOW THEM.
08/27/09 13:48:59 MIKE, YOU ARE GREAT BECAUSE YOU
08/27/09 13:49:02 ARE
08/27/09 13:49:04 NEW, FRESH AND SMART WITH
08/27/09 13:49:07 EXPERIENCE PRIVATE AND
08/27/09 13:49:07 PUBLIC
08/27/09 13:49:07 SECTOR.
08/27/09 13:49:10 LOOK AT DOWNTOWNS
08/27/09 13:49:11 WE ALL AGREE
08/27/09 13:49:11 ARE SUCCESSFUL.
08/27/09 13:49:13 RATHER THAN STARTING WITH THE
08/27/09 13:49:16 20 RULE YEAR RULES LET'S LOOK
08/27/09 13:49:19 AT WHAT WE
08/27/09 13:49:21 CAN DO TO MAKE OUR
08/27/09 13:49:24 DOWNTOWN BEAUTIFUL, SHADY,
08/27/09 13:49:24 PEDESTRIAN-FRIENDLY,
08/27/09 13:49:24 COMFORTABLE TO WALK.
08/27/09 13:49:27 I BROUGHT SOME PHOTOGRAPHS THAT
08/27/09 13:49:30 MY INTERN TOOK EARLIER
08/27/09 13:49:30 TODAY
08/27/09 13:49:30 WITH POLICE BARRICADE.
08/27/09 13:49:32 THIS IS NOT WHAT WE WANT.
08/27/09 13:49:34 POLICE BARRICADES ARE NOT
08/27/09 13:49:35 FRIENDLY AND WARM.
08/27/09 13:49:38 THEY ARE METAL AND ANGULAR
08/27/09 13:49:41 LOOKING.
08/27/09 13:49:44 WE REALLY NEED TO SEE ALL
08/27/09 13:49:44 THE
08/27/09 13:49:46 CREATIVE TECHNIQUES WE CAN PLOY
08/27/09 13:49:47 TO IMPROVE OUR REGULATIONS.
08/27/09 13:49:49 THE PRIVATE SECTOR TOLD ME
08/27/09 13:49:50 THEY'LL DO WHAT EVER OUR RULES
08/27/09 13:49:53 ARE BUT WE NEED TO BE CLEAR
08/27/09 13:49:54 SO
08/27/09 13:49:55 THEY'LL
08/27/09 13:51:01 .
08/27/09 13:51:04 >>> ONE OF THE GREATEST NEEDS
08/27/09 13:51:06 WE IDENTIFIED WAS THE CENTRAL
08/27/09 13:51:08 BUSINESS DISTRICT AND THE NEED
08/27/09 13:51:11 TO UPDATE THE
08/27/09 13:51:13 DESIGN GUIDELINES
08/27/09 13:51:13 TO STANDARDS IN THAT AREA.
08/27/09 13:51:16 THEN ALSO IMPROVE THE CODE
08/27/09 13:51:16 TO
08/27/09 13:51:19 GIVE US THE ELEMENTS YOU ARE
08/27/09 13:51:22 TALKING ABOUT LIKE
08/27/09 13:51:23 WATER
08/27/09 13:51:25 SIDEWALKS AND SHADE ELEMENTS.
08/27/09 13:51:28 TO HAVE THAT BE SPECIFIC WITHIN
08/27/09 13:51:28 THE CODE.
08/27/09 13:51:30 IT IS AMBIGUITY WITH THE CODE
08/27/09 13:51:32 AND THE SPECIFIC GUIDELINES AND
08/27/09 13:51:34 HOW IT IS APPLIED.
08/27/09 13:51:37 >> THE OTHER QUESTION
08/27/09 13:51:37 IS RIGHT
08/27/09 13:51:40 NOW, I FEEL THAT WE
08/27/09 13:51:42 ARE AUTO
08/27/09 13:51:45 CENTRIC IN OUR DOWNTOWN,
08/27/09 13:51:47 EVEN
08/27/09 13:51:49 THOUGH OUR ADOPTED PLANS WE ARE
08/27/09 13:51:51 SUPPOSED TO BE MULTIMOGUL.
08/27/09 13:51:53 THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES TO
08/27/09 13:51:53 CREATE ON STREET PARKING WHICH
08/27/09 13:51:54 THEN MAKE THE PEDESTRIAN FEEL
08/27/09 13:51:57 SAFER BECAUSE THERE
08/27/09 13:51:59 IS A ROW OF
08/27/09 13:52:02 PARKED CARS
08/27/09 13:52:02 BETWEEN THEM AND
08/27/09 13:52:02 RUSHING TRAFFIC.
08/27/09 13:52:04 THAT IS QUESTION FOR JULIA.
08/27/09 13:52:07 IF OUR
08/27/09 13:52:10 COMP PLAN
08/27/09 13:52:11 SAYS THAT WE
08/27/09 13:52:12 WANT TO BE MORE MULTIMOTOR
08/27/09 13:52:14 DON'T TOWN TO ENCOURAGE
08/27/09 13:52:14 PEDESTRIAN.
08/27/09 13:52:16 IF WAY DO THAT IS MAKE THEM
08/27/09 13:52:16 FEEL SAFER.
08/27/09 13:52:18 THE WAY TO ACCOMPLISH THAT IS
08/27/09 13:52:21 TO HAVE CARS PARKED ON
08/27/09 13:52:22 THE
08/27/09 13:52:22 STREETS.
08/27/09 13:52:24 IT SEEMS TO ME THAT IN THE
08/27/09 13:52:26 TRADEOFF AMONG DEPARTMENTS THE
08/27/09 13:52:29 TRANSPORTATION PEOPLE WITH
08/27/09 13:52:29 THE
08/27/09 13:52:30 HEAVY CAR ORIENTATION ALWAYS
08/27/09 13:52:33 TRUMP THE VOICES
08/27/09 13:52:33 OF PEDESTRIAN,
08/27/09 13:52:33 BECAUSE FRANKLY, THEY DON'T
08/27/09 13:52:36 HAVE A DESIGNATED ADVOCATE.
08/27/09 13:52:49 >> JULIA
08/27/09 13:52:52 . I
08/27/09 13:52:54 WANT TO MAKE IT
08/27/09 13:52:55 CLEAR FOR RECORD THAT IS THE
08/27/09 13:52:56 FOCUS OF THIS CONVERSATION.
08/27/09 13:52:58 WHERE I THINK EVERYBODY IS
08/27/09 13:53:00 HEADED ON THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE
08/27/09 13:53:03 IS WE ALL UNDERSTAND THAT WE
08/27/09 13:53:04 ARE GOING THROUGH THE ZONING
08/27/09 13:53:07 PROCESS AND ELEVATION
08/27/09 13:53:07 COME IN.
08/27/09 13:53:09 HOW WE LOOK AND DEAL WITH THE
08/27/09 13:53:11 ELEVATIONS DIRECTLY RELATES TO
08/27/09 13:53:13 WHETHER YOU ARE IN THE CHANNEL
08/27/09 13:53:15 DISTRICT OR OTHER OVERLAYS.
08/27/09 13:53:18 THAT'S PEAKING
08/27/09 13:53:18 THE CONVERSATION
08/27/09 13:53:19 I'M PUTTING INTO THE CONTEXT OF
08/27/09 13:53:22 WHY, FOR OR ELEVATION PURPOSE
08/27/09 13:53:23 TO HAVE MEANING YOU HAVE TO
08/27/09 13:53:26 HAVE A DESIGN STANDARD IN PLACE
08/27/09 13:53:28 TO HAVE THEM BE APPLIED
08/27/09 13:53:28 AGAINST.
08/27/09 13:53:29 IN AREAS WHERE YOU DON'T THAT'S
08/27/09 13:53:32 ANOTHER CONVERSATION AS TO
08/27/09 13:53:33 WHAT
08/27/09 13:53:34 YOU CAN USE THE ELEVATIONS FOR.
08/27/09 13:53:36 AGAIN, MORE SPECIFICALLY TO
08/27/09 13:53:36 YOUR QUESTION, PART OF THE
08/27/09 13:53:38 PROCESS IN DEALING WITH THE
08/27/09 13:53:38 OVERLAY AND
08/27/09 13:53:41 SEEING WHAT CITY COUNCIL SHOULD
08/27/09 13:53:42 BE WEIGHING IN AT THE PUBLIC
08/27/09 13:53:43 HEARINGS AND SEEING WHAT STAFF
08/27/09 13:53:45 NEEDS TO BE DOING IN REVIEWING
08/27/09 13:53:47 THE ITEMS, ARE MAKING SURE YOU
08/27/09 13:53:50 HAVE STANDARDS IN PLACE THAT
08/27/09 13:53:51 DO
08/27/09 13:53:52 THE THINGS WE WANT TO DO.
08/27/09 13:53:53 SPECIFICALLY THE TRANSPORTATION
08/27/09 13:53:53 ISSUES.
08/27/09 13:53:56 I KNOW THAT'S BEEN A REAL
08/27/09 13:53:57 PROBLEM, ESPECIALLY IN THE
08/27/09 13:53:57 DOWNTOWN AREA.
08/27/09 13:53:58 BECAUSE YOU HAVE THIS INTERPLAY
08/27/09 13:54:01 BETWEEN WHAT WE NEED TO
08/27/09 13:54:02 HAVE IN
08/27/09 13:54:04 TERM OF SAFETY STANDARDS, THERE
08/27/09 13:54:06 ARE A LOT OF TRIGHT OF WAYS
08/27/09 13:54:07 VERSUS WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO
08/27/09 13:54:11 TO MAKE OUR CITY TO BE WHAT
08/27/09 13:54:11 WE
08/27/09 13:54:11 WANT.
08/27/09 13:54:14 ONE OF THE
08/27/09 13:54:17 THINGS WE HAVE BEEN
08/27/09 13:54:17 WORK THROUGH IN THE
08/27/09 13:54:19 TRANSPORTATION TACTICAL MANUAL
08/27/09 13:54:22 AND HARD CODES OF SPECIFIC
08/27/09 13:54:23 CODES, AS THEY RELATE TO
08/27/09 13:54:25 SIDEWALKS AND THOSE ISSUES.
08/27/09 13:54:28 AND DUMPSTERS AND ALL OF THOSE
08/27/09 13:54:28 ISSUES.
08/27/09 13:54:29 WHILE IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY
08/27/09 13:54:30 FEEL LIKE WE HAVE DONE A LOT,
08/27/09 13:54:33 WE HAVE ACTUALLY DONE A LOT.
08/27/09 13:54:36 I KNOW ON THE CHANNEL SIDE
08/27/09 13:54:36 WE
08/27/09 13:54:38 WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS OF
08/27/09 13:54:39 PUTTING CERTAIN PROVISIONS IN
08/27/09 13:54:42 OUR CODE RELATING TO THE DESIGN
08/27/09 13:54:42 STANDARDS WE HAVE THERE.
08/27/09 13:54:44 THERE MAY BE ADDITIONAL THINGS
08/27/09 13:54:46 WE WANT TO DO BUT I KNOW OTHER
08/27/09 13:54:47 THINGS WERE IMPLEMENTED.
08/27/09 13:54:49 I KNOW WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF
08/27/09 13:54:51 WORKING THROUGH OUR DOWNTOWN
08/27/09 13:54:52 DESIGN --WE ARE TRYING TO MAKE
08/27/09 13:54:53 THEM STANDARDS SO IT GETS MORE
08/27/09 13:54:55 TO WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO SAY.
08/27/09 13:54:57 WE ARE TRYING TO WORK TOWARDS
08/27/09 13:54:59 HAVING A TRANSPORTATION MANUAL.
08/27/09 13:55:02 WE
08/27/09 13:55:05 ARE COMING FORWARD WITH THE
08/27/09 13:55:06 TRANSPORTATION MANUAL THAT
08/27/09 13:55:07 STRIPS IT DOWN TO BARE MINIMUM
08/27/09 13:55:09 SAFETY STANDARDS SO WHEN YOU
08/27/09 13:55:11 LOOK AT THE ELEVATION OR ISSUES
08/27/09 13:55:13 IN THE REZONING PROCESS OR SACK
08/27/09 13:55:15 REVIEW THERE IS MORE
08/27/09 13:55:16 OPPORTUNITY FOR OUR
08/27/09 13:55:18 TRANSPORTATION FOLKS TO WORK
08/27/09 13:55:20 WITH OUR ZONING FOLKS AND
08/27/09 13:55:21 PLANNING FOLKS AND ALSO
08/27/09 13:55:24 ENGINEERS ON THE PRIVATE SECTOR
08/27/09 13:55:26 SO THEY CAN COME UP WITH
08/27/09 13:55:26 ALTERNATIVES.
08/27/09 13:55:29 THAT'S IMPORTANT TO CREATE
08/27/09 13:55:29 AN
08/27/09 13:55:30 ALTERNATIVE DESIGN.
08/27/09 13:55:32 ALL OF THAT GOES INTO THAT
08/27/09 13:55:32 CONVERSATION.
08/27/09 13:55:34 AGAIN, WHEN WE GO THROUGH OUR
08/27/09 13:55:36 ZONING PROCESS WE ARE ENTITLING
08/27/09 13:55:37 PROPERTY IN THE OVERLAY AREAS.
08/27/09 13:55:39 THAT'S WHERE WE GET INTO A
08/27/09 13:55:40 BETTER CONVERSATION ON WHERE
08/27/09 13:55:41 OUR ELEVATIONS ARE LOOKING.
08/27/09 13:55:43 MAKING SURE THEY LOOK THE WAY
08/27/09 13:55:46 WE WANT
08/27/09 13:55:47 THEM TO LOOK.
08/27/09 13:55:48 THEY ARE IN COMPLIANCE.
08/27/09 13:55:49 THERE IS ADDITIONAL
08/27/09 13:55:50 OPPORTUNITIES AFTER THE ZONING
08/27/09 13:55:52 IS DONE TO HAVE THE STAFF
08/27/09 13:55:53 REVIEW IT.
08/27/09 13:55:55 IF YOU ARE OUTSIDE OF THOSE
08/27/09 13:55:56 AREAS OUR OPPORTUNITIES ARE
08/27/09 13:55:56 LESS.
08/27/09 13:55:59 ULTIMATELY IT WILL BE
08/27/09 13:56:00 UP TO THE
08/27/09 13:56:02 COUNCIL TO DECIDE IF THEY WANT
08/27/09 13:56:05 TO, OUTSIDE OF THE OVERLAY,
08/27/09 13:56:05 PUT
08/27/09 13:56:08 IN DESIGN STANDARD AND
08/27/09 13:56:11 GUIDELINES IN THOSE
08/27/09 13:56:11 PARTICULAR
08/27/09 13:56:14 AREAS OR PARTICULAR TYPES
08/27/09 13:56:14 OF
08/27/09 13:56:14 BUILDINGS.
08/27/09 13:56:17 >>> YOU WILL
08/27/09 13:56:18 ALSO, THOUGH, BE
08/27/09 13:56:21 SEEING A CYCLE OF CODE
08/27/09 13:56:22 AMENDMENTS OR CHANGES THAT WILL
08/27/09 13:56:23 REFLECT THE NEW COMP PLAN.
08/27/09 13:56:24 THERE IS A LAG THERE BECAUSE
08/27/09 13:56:27 YOU HAVE THE NEW CAMP
08/27/09 13:56:28 PLAN IN
08/27/09 13:56:28 PLACE.
08/27/09 13:56:29 WE HAVE NOT DONE A CYCLE
08/27/09 13:56:32 OVERPLANNED
08/27/09 13:56:33 DEVELOPMENT
08/27/09 13:56:34 REGULATIONS TO REFLECT THE NEW
08/27/09 13:56:34 DIRECTION OF THE COMPREHENSIVE
08/27/09 13:56:35 LONG-RANGE PLAN FOR MANAGING
08/27/09 13:56:37 GROWTH IN THE CITY.
08/27/09 13:56:40 >> I FEEL LIKE WE HAVE NEVER
08/27/09 13:56:40 HAD A BETTER CAMP PLAN.
08/27/09 13:56:43 THE COMP PLAN IS GREAT.
08/27/09 13:56:44 DO YOU HAVE A SENSE OF THE TIME
08/27/09 13:56:47 FRAME WHEN THOSE THINGS WILL BE
08/27/09 13:56:48 COMING TO US.
08/27/09 13:56:48 THE PLANNING COMMISSION SAID
08/27/09 13:56:50 BECAUSE THEIR FUNDING HAS BEEN
08/27/09 13:56:53 CUT WE ONLY GET A ONCE A YEAR
08/27/09 13:56:56 SHOT AT THINGS, DO YOU KNOW
08/27/09 13:56:59 WHAT THE TIME FRAME WILL
08/27/09 13:56:59 BE?
08/27/09 13:57:02 THAT I THINK WE WERE TRYING
08/27/09 13:57:03 TO
08/27/09 13:57:04 DO START WITH THE JANUARY CYCLE
08/27/09 13:57:06 OR 4th OF JULY CYCLE FOR OUR
08/27/09 13:57:06 AMENDMENTS.
08/27/09 13:57:07 WE HAVE BEEN MEETING INTERNALLY
08/27/09 13:57:10 ON THAT ISSUE AND GOING
08/27/09 13:57:10 THROUGH.
08/27/09 13:57:13 I
08/27/09 13:57:14 DON'T WANT THERE TO BE A
08/27/09 13:57:15 MIS UNUNDERSTANDING.
08/27/09 13:57:18 IT IS
08/27/09 13:57:18 A HUGE UNDERTAKING.
08/27/09 13:57:19 WE NEED TO BE CAREFUL AND
08/27/09 13:57:19 COGNIZANT.
08/27/09 13:57:22 AS YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENS
08/27/09 13:57:23 WHEN
08/27/09 13:57:24 YOU RUSH AMENDMENTS FORWARD YOU
08/27/09 13:57:24 MISS THINGS.
08/27/09 13:57:27 IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE SPEND A
08/27/09 13:57:29 LOT OF TIME ON INTERNALLY.
08/27/09 13:57:31 WE HAVE BEEN GOING THROUGH
08/27/09 13:57:34 PIECE BY PIECE OF THE COMP PLAN
08/27/09 13:57:39 TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WOULD BE
08/27/09 13:57:42 NECESSARY TO IMIT.
08/27/09 13:57:43 IMPLEMEN . IT.
08/27/09 13:57:45 WE ARE BOUND BY LAW TO MOVE
08/27/09 13:57:45 FORWARD.
08/27/09 13:57:48 THAT WILL BE AN ON
08/27/09 13:57:49 GOING
08/27/09 13:57:49 PROCESS.
08/27/09 13:57:51 WE ARE LOOKING AT JANUARY OR
08/27/09 13:57:51 JULY CYCLE.
08/27/09 13:57:53 >> IN TERMS OF DIRT LOTS JUST
08/27/09 13:57:56 TO CYCLE BACK TO THAT, IS THAT
08/27/09 13:57:57 SOMETHING YOU CAN ADDRESS?
08/27/09 13:57:59 YOU ARE GOING TO SEE IF WE
08/27/09 13:58:00 ALREADY HAVE SOMETHING.
08/27/09 13:58:01 THAT'S SOMETHING IN DOWNTOWN,
08/27/09 13:58:04 IF YOU ARE UP IN THE HIGH-RISE
08/27/09 13:58:07 LOOK DOWN, IT IS PAINFUL TO SEE
08/27/09 13:58:08 THE AMOUNT OF UNDERUTILIZED
08/27/09 13:58:08 LAND.
08/27/09 13:58:11 MY FEELING
08/27/09 13:58:14 IS, IF PROPERTY
08/27/09 13:58:17 OWNERS WERE
08/27/09 13:58:17 FORCED TO ACTUALLY
08/27/09 13:58:20 MAKE IT MORE AESTHETIC THEY
08/27/09 13:58:23 WOULD DO SOMETHING WITH
08/27/09 13:58:24 IT.
08/27/09 13:58:26 PEOPLE SHOULDN'T BE ABLE TO
08/27/09 13:58:26 HAVE GRANDFATHERED DIRT LOTS
08/27/09 13:58:26 FOREVER.
08/27/09 13:58:28 >> I UNFORTUNATELY CAN'T ANSWER
08/27/09 13:58:29 THAT QUESTION OFF THE TOP OF MY
08/27/09 13:58:30 HEAD.
08/27/09 13:58:32 IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD
08/27/09 13:58:35 HAVE TO LOOK TOWARDS
08/27/09 13:58:36 WHAT THE
08/27/09 13:58:36 REGULATIONS ARE AS IT RELATES
08/27/09 13:58:39 TO THOSE LOTS.
08/27/09 13:58:42 >>
08/27/09 13:58:45 DO YOU THINK, AS A SUMMARY
08/27/09 13:58:46 AFTER WE COMPLETE THIS MEETING,
08/27/09 13:58:49 IN THE NEXT 30 DAYS YOU CAN GET
08/27/09 13:58:52 BACK TO ME WITH A
08/27/09 13:58:54 LOOSE
08/27/09 13:58:56 SCHEDULE OF WHEN YOU'LL GET
08/27/09 13:58:56 YOUR
08/27/09 13:58:56 STANDARDS CREATED?
08/27/09 13:58:59 AND WHEN WE CAN ANTICIPATE
08/27/09 13:59:00 THE
08/27/09 13:59:00 IMPLEMENTATION OF THE CONCEPTS
08/27/09 13:59:03 OF THE COMP PLAN INTO RULES
08/27/09 13:59:05 THAT WE CAN THEN ENFORCE?
08/27/09 13:59:06 >> IN TERMS OF --WELL, AS YOU
08/27/09 13:59:08 KNOW WE CAN'T TAKE ANY ACTION
08/27/09 13:59:10 BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A COUNCIL
08/27/09 13:59:12 HERE TO TAKE THAT ACTION.
08/27/09 13:59:14 IN TERMS OF THE SCHEDULE, I
08/27/09 13:59:16 DON'T KNOW IF I CAN PROMISE 30
08/27/09 13:59:16 DAYS.
08/27/09 13:59:19 WE ARE STILL IN THE PROCESS OF
08/27/09 13:59:19 GOING THROUGH.
08/27/09 13:59:21 THIS IS AGAIN, A TREMENDOUS --
08/27/09 13:59:24 IT IS BOTH A
08/27/09 13:59:24 TREMENDOUS
08/27/09 13:59:26 OPPORTUNITY AND IT IS A
08/27/09 13:59:27 TREMENDOUS UNDERTAKING, IN
08/27/09 13:59:30 TERMS OF HOW WE ARE GOING
08/27/09 13:59:32 FORWARD AND WHAT THE TIME
08/27/09 13:59:33 FRAMES ARE GOING FORWARD.
08/27/09 13:59:34 I DON'T WANT TO COMMIT TO ANY
08/27/09 13:59:37 TIME FRAME TO BRING THAT
08/27/09 13:59:37 FORWARD.
08/27/09 13:59:39 REALLY, WE HAVE TO BRING IT
08/27/09 13:59:42 FORWARD WITHIN A
08/27/09 13:59:42 YEAR.
08/27/09 13:59:44 WE REALLY ARE --I KNOW THERE
08/27/09 13:59:47 ARE TIMES WE HAVE SET UP TO
08/27/09 13:59:49 CHAT ABOUT THE PIECES OF
08/27/09 13:59:50 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND HOW
08/27/09 13:59:52 THAT'S COMING FORWARD.
08/27/09 13:59:54 >> IN THE INTERIM, I THINK THAT
08/27/09 13:59:57 WHEN COUNCIL GETS A DRAWING,
08/27/09 13:59:57 IT
08/27/09 13:59:59 IS IMPORTANT FOR YOU TO REMIND
08/27/09 14:00:01 THE COUNCIL MEMBERS WHAT WE CAN
08/27/09 14:00:04 RELY UPON IN THE DRAWING
08/27/09 14:00:05 AND
08/27/09 14:00:06 WHAT WE CAN'T.
08/27/09 14:00:08 AT OUR PREVIOUS MEETING --YOU
08/27/09 14:00:09 WEREN'T HERE BUT REBECCA WAS.
08/27/09 14:00:09 IT WAS PAINFUL.
08/27/09 14:00:11 WE DISCOVERED THAT PLANS THAT
08/27/09 14:00:14 ARE SUBMITTED AS
08/27/09 14:00:16 PART OF THE PD
08/27/09 14:00:18 WE CAN RELY UPON.
08/27/09 14:00:20 BUT DRAWINGS, ELEVATIONS,
08/27/09 14:00:21 REALLY HAVE NO WEIGHT.
08/27/09 14:00:23 I THINK THAT'S A VERY IMPORTANT
08/27/09 14:00:26 REALIZATION FOR
08/27/09 14:00:28 THE PUBLIC, AS
08/27/09 14:00:28 WELL AS COUNCIL MEMBERS TO TAKE
08/27/09 14:00:31 INTO ACCOUNT.
08/27/09 14:00:33 WE ARE BEING PATTED ON THE
08/27/09 14:00:35 HEADS IN A FASHION BY THE
08/27/09 14:00:36 ATTORNEYS SAYING, DON'T WORRY
08/27/09 14:00:38 YOURSELVES THIS IS WHAT YOU'LL
08/27/09 14:00:38 GET.
08/27/09 14:00:39 WHEN IT ISN'T NECESSARILY TRUE.
08/27/09 14:00:41 >> I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT
08/27/09 14:00:41 POINT.
08/27/09 14:00:44 AS I WAS
08/27/09 14:00:47 JUST TALKING
08/27/09 14:00:48 ABOUT --
08/27/09 14:00:50 WHEN YOU ARE IN AN OVERLAY AREA
08/27/09 14:00:50 OR A HISTORIC DISTRICT --WHEN
08/27/09 14:00:53 YOU ARE IN THOSE AREAS YOU HAVE
08/27/09 14:00:55 A SET OF DESIGN STANDARDS OR
08/27/09 14:00:58 GUIDELINES, AS WE ARE CALLING
08/27/09 14:00:58 THEM TODAY.
08/27/09 14:01:01 YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO
08/27/09 14:01:02 REVIEW
08/27/09 14:01:02 THOSE ELEVATIONS.
08/27/09 14:01:04 AGAIN, EITHER WITHIN THE
08/27/09 14:01:06 CONTEXT OF THE ZONING AND EVEN
08/27/09 14:01:08 NOTWITHSTANDING THE ZONINGS AND
08/27/09 14:01:09 THE CONTEXT OF DEVELOPING THAT
08/27/09 14:01:12 PROPERTY THERE IS A PARCEL
08/27/09 14:01:12 OF
08/27/09 14:01:14 THAT DEVELOPMENT OF THAT
08/27/09 14:01:15 PARTICULAR PROPERTY.
08/27/09 14:01:15 WHEN IN PROPERTIES OUTSIDE AN
08/27/09 14:01:17 OVERLAY AREA, WE ONLY GATE AS
08/27/09 14:01:20 PART OF THE PD PROCESS, NOT
08/27/09 14:01:23 THAT YOU PUT IN, WE CAN'T
08/27/09 14:01:25 REQUIRE YOU PUT IN, WE ALLOW
08/27/09 14:01:27 PEOPLE TO GET UP AND SHOW A
08/27/09 14:01:27 PRETTY PICTURE.
08/27/09 14:01:29 THEY ARE NOT BOUND TO THAT.
08/27/09 14:01:31 YOU CAN'T BIND THEM TO THAT.
08/27/09 14:01:34 WHEN YOU ARE IN THE PD PROCESS
08/27/09 14:01:37 THE WHOLE PURPOSE BEHIND
08/27/09 14:01:37 THE
08/27/09 14:01:38 ELEVATION AND --I REMEMBER
08/27/09 14:01:41 WHEN WE ADOPTED THIS PROVISION
08/27/09 14:01:42 I WAS CLEAR WITH COUNCIL.
08/27/09 14:01:44 I KNOW THAT WAS A WHILE AGO.
08/27/09 14:01:46 IT IS PROBABLY A GOOD IDEA TO
08/27/09 14:01:48 RAISE THAT EVERY ONCE IN A
08/27/09 14:01:48 WHILE.
08/27/09 14:01:50 THE WHOLE PURPOSE BEHIND HAVING
08/27/09 14:01:53 THAT ELEVATION
08/27/09 14:01:55 WAS FOR THE
08/27/09 14:01:56 PURPOSES OF COMPATIBILITY WITH
08/27/09 14:01:57 THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
08/27/09 14:01:59 IT WAS MEANT TO SHOW A MASS AND
08/27/09 14:02:01 SCALE SO YOU COULD SEE HOW THAT
08/27/09 14:02:02 PARTICULAR STRUCTURE WOULD FIT
08/27/09 14:02:03 INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD IF YOU
08/27/09 14:02:05 HAVE A HIGH STRUCTURE.
08/27/09 14:02:07 OR A VERY LARGE STRUCTURE AND
08/27/09 14:02:10 YOU ARE COMING IN AN
08/27/09 14:02:10 AREA THAT
08/27/09 14:02:13 MAYBE DOESN'T HAVE THAT LEVEL
08/27/09 14:02:13 OF DEVELOPMENT.
08/27/09 14:02:15 I THINK YOU COULD USE THAT FOR
08/27/09 14:02:16 THAT PURPOSE.
08/27/09 14:02:17 WHAT I THINK TENDS TO HAPPEN IS
08/27/09 14:02:19 PEOPLE, WHEN THEY COME FORWARD
08/27/09 14:02:20 WITH ELEVATIONS, THEY ALSO WANT
08/27/09 14:02:23 TO SHOW
08/27/09 14:02:26 YOU
08/27/09 14:02:26 THE PRODUCT.
08/27/09 14:02:27 I DON'T EVEN THINK IT IS ON
08/27/09 14:02:27 PURPOSE.
08/27/09 14:02:28 THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT YOU CAN
08/27/09 14:02:30 REQUIRE THAT OF THEM.
08/27/09 14:02:33 YOU DON'T HAVE THAT LEVEL OF A
08/27/09 14:02:33 STANDARD.
08/27/09 14:02:36 I THINK ON THE OTHER SIDE,
08/27/09 14:02:37 IF
08/27/09 14:02:39 YOU HAVE FOLKS COMING FORWARD
08/27/09 14:02:41 SHOWING THESE VERY PRETTY
08/27/09 14:02:42 PICTURES, TWO THINGS NEED TO
08/27/09 14:02:43 HAPPEN.
08/27/09 14:02:45 THE FIRST THING IS STAFF REALLY
08/27/09 14:02:46 NEEDS TO MAKE SURE WHEN THEY
08/27/09 14:02:47 ARE REVIEWING THESE ELEVATIONS
08/27/09 14:02:48 THAT THERE IS SOMETHING THAT
08/27/09 14:02:49 CAN BE DONE.
08/27/09 14:02:51 IF THEY ARE SHOWING A MOUNTAIN
08/27/09 14:02:54 IN THE BACKGROUND, WE
08/27/09 14:02:54 ALL KNOW
08/27/09 14:02:57 THAT THAT'S NOT GOING TO
08/27/09 14:02:57 HAPPEN.
08/27/09 14:03:00 WE DON'T HAVE
08/27/09 14:03:00 MOUNTAINS UNLESS
08/27/09 14:03:01 WE CREATE ONE SOMEWHERE ALONG
08/27/09 14:03:02 THE WAY.
08/27/09 14:03:04 IT IS REALLY --WE HAVE TALKED
08/27/09 14:03:06 ABOUT THIS AND THEY REALIZE
08/27/09 14:03:08 THAT THEY REALLY ALSO DO NEED
08/27/09 14:03:10 TO BE LOOKING AT THOSE
08/27/09 14:03:11 ELEVATIONS FOR THE PURPOSES OF
08/27/09 14:03:13 AT LEAST ENSURING IF THEY ARE
08/27/09 14:03:14 SHOWING TREES THAT THE TREES --
08/27/09 14:03:17 THAT THERE IS ENOUGH
08/27/09 14:03:18 ROOM FOR
08/27/09 14:03:20 THE TREES TO BE PLANTED.
08/27/09 14:03:23 I THINK THE INTENT IS FOR,
08/27/09 14:03:23 WHEN
08/27/09 14:03:24 FOLKS COME FORWARD WITH THE
08/27/09 14:03:27 REQUIRED ELEVATIONS THAT THEY
08/27/09 14:03:28 ACTUALLY REMOVE ALL THE PRETTY.
08/27/09 14:03:30 ALL THE SELLING POINTS.
08/27/09 14:03:32 IT IS REALLY JUST SHOWING YOU
08/27/09 14:03:34 THE MASS AND SCALE OF THE
08/27/09 14:03:34 BUILDING.
08/27/09 14:03:37 IF YOU HAVE PROPERTY AND OR A
08/27/09 14:03:38 DEVELOPER THAT COMES FORWARD,
08/27/09 14:03:40 AND THEY SHOW YOU TO PRETTY
08/27/09 14:03:41 PICTURE AND THAT'S WHAT THEY
08/27/09 14:03:43 ARE COMMITTING TO BUILD, YOU
08/27/09 14:03:44 KNOW, YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO
08/27/09 14:03:44 HOLD THEM TO THAT.
08/27/09 14:03:48 EVEN IF IT IS MORE THAN WHAT
08/27/09 14:03:48 IS
08/27/09 14:03:48 IN THE CODE.
08/27/09 14:03:51 IN THOSE INSTANCES, I THINK IT
08/27/09 14:03:52 IS FAIR FOR CITY COUNCIL TO ASK
08/27/09 14:03:54 A QUESTION OF THOSE PROPERTY
08/27/09 14:03:57 OWNERS TO SAY, IS THIS WHAT YOU
08/27/09 14:03:58 ARE REALLY GOING TO BUILD?
08/27/09 14:03:59 AND MAKE THAT A REQUIREMENT.
08/27/09 14:04:02 AT THE SAME TIME, IF YOU SEE A
08/27/09 14:04:03 PICTURE THAT ISN'T A PRETTY
08/27/09 14:04:06 PICTURE, YOU
08/27/09 14:04:07 CAN'T REQUIRE THEM
08/27/09 14:04:09 TO COME BACK WITH A PRETTIER
08/27/09 14:04:09 PICTURE.
08/27/09 14:04:10 THE ONLY PURPOSE BEHIND THE
08/27/09 14:04:13 ELEVATION IS TO SHOW MASS
08/27/09 14:04:15 AND
08/27/09 14:04:15 SCALE.
08/27/09 14:04:16 IF THEY COME IN WITH SOMETHING
08/27/09 14:04:18 MORE, AND THAT'S WHAT MADE PART
08/27/09 14:04:19 OF THEIR APPLICATION AND THAT'S
08/27/09 14:04:20 WHAT THEY ARE SAYING THEY ARE
08/27/09 14:04:22 GOING TO BUILD, I THINK IT IS
08/27/09 14:04:23 APPROPRIATE TO SAY, IS THAT
08/27/09 14:04:26 WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO
08/27/09 14:04:27 BUILD?
08/27/09 14:04:29 IS THAT PART OF THE PROJECT YOU
08/27/09 14:04:29 INTEND TO CONSTRUCT?
08/27/09 14:04:32 AND MAKE THAT A
08/27/09 14:04:33 REQUIREMENT.
08/27/09 14:04:34 ONCE YOU HAVE MADE THAT ACTUAL
08/27/09 14:04:34 ELEVATION REQUIREMENT, THAT
08/27/09 14:04:37 PETITIONER WILL HAVE TO AGREE
08/27/09 14:04:37 TO THAT.
08/27/09 14:04:39 IF THEY WANT TO CHANGE ANYTHING
08/27/09 14:04:42 THEY'LL HAVE TO COME BACK
08/27/09 14:04:43 TO
08/27/09 14:04:43 YOU.
08/27/09 14:04:43 THAT'S COUNCIL CONDITION.
08/27/09 14:04:44 BUT, YOU CAN'T, AT THE SAME
08/27/09 14:04:46 TOKEN, IF YOU SEE A PICTURE AND
08/27/09 14:04:48 YOU THINK THE PICTURE ISN'T
08/27/09 14:04:49 PRETTY ENOUGH OR SHOWING ENOUGH
08/27/09 14:04:52 DETAIL, WE CAN'T REQUIRE THAT
08/27/09 14:04:54 IN AN AREA OUTSIDE OF AN
08/27/09 14:04:54 OVERLAY.
08/27/09 14:04:56 WE ARE JUST REALLY HOLDING
08/27/09 14:04:59 PEOPLE TO
08/27/09 14:05:00 WHAT THEY HAVE
08/27/09 14:05:00 BROUGHT FORWARD AS THEIR
08/27/09 14:05:00 APPLICATION.
08/27/09 14:05:03 BUT THAT MAY MEAN THAT YOU
08/27/09 14:05:04 DON'T GET THE PRETTY PICTURES
08/27/09 14:05:06 AS MUCH AS YOU WERE GETTING.
08/27/09 14:05:06 MAYBE THAT'S OKAY.
08/27/09 14:05:07 THAT WAY EVERYBODY'S BEING
08/27/09 14:05:10 REALLY HONEST ABOUT WHAT WE
08/27/09 14:05:11 ARE
08/27/09 14:05:14 IN THE PROCESS OF DOING.
08/27/09 14:05:17 I DO JUST WANT TO
08/27/09 14:05:18 MAKE ONE
08/27/09 14:05:20 POINT ABOUT HISTORIC DISTRICT
08/27/09 14:05:20 AND LANDMARK STRUCTURES.
08/27/09 14:05:23 I THINK THIS GETS LOST IN
08/27/09 14:05:23 ZONING HEARINGS.
08/27/09 14:05:26 WHEN YOU HAVE A
08/27/09 14:05:26 PETITION COMING
08/27/09 14:05:28 FORWARD IN A ZONING DISTRICT
08/27/09 14:05:31 AND YOU ARE
08/27/09 14:05:33 REQUIRED TO SHOW
08/27/09 14:05:34 ELEVATION AND YOU'LL GET THE
08/27/09 14:05:35 PRETTY PICTURES IN THOSE.
08/27/09 14:05:37 REMEMBER YOU DELEGATED THE
08/27/09 14:05:39 AUTHORITY TO MAKE THE
08/27/09 14:05:40 TERMINATION OF COMPLIANCE WITH
08/27/09 14:05:42 THE DISTRICT GUIDELINES TO THE
08/27/09 14:05:42 ALC OR BLC.
08/27/09 14:05:44 THAT NEEDS TO BE LEFT.
08/27/09 14:05:47 WHAT WE NEVER WANT TO DO IS
08/27/09 14:05:48 TIE
08/27/09 14:05:51 THEIR HANDS IN THEIR
08/27/09 14:05:51 PROCESS.
08/27/09 14:05:54 I JUST WANT TO MAKE --I'M NOT
08/27/09 14:05:56 SURE THAT WE AND I WILL TAKE
08/27/09 14:05:59 SOME HEAT FOR THIS, BUT
08/27/09 14:05:59 I HAVE
08/27/09 14:06:01 ALWAYS DONE A GOOD JOB
08/27/09 14:06:03 UNDERSTANDING AND RECOGNIZING
08/27/09 14:06:04 THAT AS WE'VE GONE THROUGH THIS
08/27/09 14:06:04 PROCESS.
08/27/09 14:06:06 I DEFINITELY, NOW THAT I'VE
08/27/09 14:06:07 REALLY HAD MORE OF AN
08/27/09 14:06:10 OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK
08/27/09 14:06:11 WITH
08/27/09 14:06:14 DENNIS AND REBECCA KURT WHO
08/27/09 14:06:17 SITS WITH THE BOARDS AND WE ARE
08/27/09 14:06:20 HAVING CONVERSATIONS ABOUT
08/27/09 14:06:23 THIS
08/27/09 14:06:25 THAT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO BE
08/27/09 14:06:25 COGNIZANT ABOUT.
08/27/09 14:06:28 >> I'M FOR HAVING THEM MAKE
08/27/09 14:06:31 SURE THE PRIER IS VAGUE RULES
08/27/09 14:06:31 ARE FOLLOWED.
08/27/09 14:06:32 IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE?
08/27/09 14:06:32 THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH.
08/27/09 14:06:33 BYE.
08/27/09 14:06:36 WE ARE ADJOURNED.