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TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
August 27, 2009
6:00 p.m. session

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08/27/09 18:03:22 >>> Tampa city council
08/27/09 18:03:25 now come
08/27/09 18:03:29 to order.
08/27/09 18:03:29 Have role call.
08/27/09 18:03:29 >>
08/27/09 18:03:32 >> Ding if I
08/27/09 18:03:38 woulder and Scott.
08/27/09 18:03:38 >> Here.
08/27/09 18:03:38 >> Okay.
08/27/09 18:03:40 We begin with our evening
08/27/09 18:03:40 session.
08/27/09 18:03:42 Before we do that if you're
08/27/09 18:03:43 going to be speaking tonight to
08/27/09 18:03:45 council you need to stand and
08/27/09 18:03:46 be sworn.
08/27/09 18:03:48 If you're going to address
08/27/09 18:03:49 council tonight, if you're
08/27/09 18:03:50 going to be speaking tonight,
08/27/09 18:03:53 please stand and be sworn in at
08/27/09 18:03:56 this time.
08/27/09 18:04:08 Okay.
08/27/09 18:04:23 >>> ITEM HAS BEEN
08/27/09 18:04:24 WITHDRAWN
08/27/09 18:04:26 CREW CORRESPONDENCE WITH MR.
08/27/09 18:04:28 LAST EVENING THERE WAS AN E-
08/27/09 18:04:29 MAIL RECEIVED APPROXIMATELY
08/27/09 18:04:29 8:00 P.M.
08/27/09 18:04:31 >> IS THAT THE ONLY ONE?
08/27/09 18:04:32 >> THAT'S THE ONLY ONE.
08/27/09 18:04:35 >> OPEN ONE THROUGH SIX AND
08/27/09 18:04:38 HAVE NUMBER FIVE PERMISSION
08/27/09 18:04:38 TO
08/27/09 18:04:38 WITHDRAW.
08/27/09 18:04:38 >> SECOND.
08/27/09 18:04:41 >> WHO'S IN SECOND ALL
08/27/09 18:04:43 IN
08/27/09 18:04:43 FAVOR.
08/27/09 18:04:43 SAY I.
08/27/09 18:04:44 >> I.
08/27/09 18:04:44 >> OPPOSES.
08/27/09 18:04:46 LET ME RAISE A QUESTION ON THE
08/27/09 18:04:49 ONE FILING TO BE CONSISTENT IS
08/27/09 18:04:52 ITEM SIX IS
08/27/09 18:04:58 THAT
08/27/09 18:04:59 RIGHT?
08/27/09 18:04:59 REST ARE ALL INCONSISTENT.
08/27/09 18:05:01 WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS TAKE
08/27/09 18:05:04 ITEM SIX FIRST IF IT'S NOT LONG
08/27/09 18:05:07 SINCE IT'S BEEN FOUND
08/27/09 18:05:07 CONSISTENT.
08/27/09 18:05:09 DO THAT ONE FIRST.
08/27/09 18:05:11 >> SURE.
08/27/09 18:05:11 >> OKAY.
08/27/09 18:05:11 AND THEN --
08/27/09 18:05:13 >> PETITION.
08/27/09 18:05:16 >> PEOPLE HERE ON ITEM
08/27/09 18:05:16 SIX JUST
08/27/09 18:05:17 ONE PERSON.
08/27/09 18:05:19 NO ENELSE HERE ON ITEM SIX.
08/27/09 18:05:20 LET'S BEGIN WITH ITEM SIX.
08/27/09 18:05:22 >> I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THE
08/27/09 18:05:25 PETITIONER IS PRESENT AT
08/27/09 18:05:29 THIS
08/27/09 18:05:30 TIME, SIR.
08/27/09 18:05:31 >> NOT HERE?
08/27/09 18:05:33 >> DON'T MATTER.
08/27/09 18:05:36 THING'S AT
08/27/09 18:05:38 6:00.
08/27/09 18:05:41 HE
08/27/09 18:05:43 JUST LOST OUT.
08/27/09 18:05:43 GO AHEAD.
08/27/09 18:05:46 PERSON
08/27/09 18:05:47 GONE.
08/27/09 18:05:50 [ LAUGHTER ]
08/27/09 18:06:11 EVENING COUNCIL.
08/27/09 18:06:14 THE FIRST CASE BEFORE YOU
08/27/09 18:06:17 THIS
08/27/09 18:06:20 EVENING IS CASE Z09-33 LOCATED
08/27/09 18:06:22 AT 520 EAST FLORIBRASKA AVENUE.
08/27/09 18:06:24 IT'S IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD
08/27/09 18:06:24 ASSOCIATION.
08/27/09 18:06:27 THE BME BOARD AND ALSO TAMPA
08/27/09 18:06:29 HEIGHTS LOCAL AND NATIONAL
08/27/09 18:06:29 DISTRICT.
08/27/09 18:06:32 REQUEST THIS EVENING IS REQUEST
08/27/09 18:06:35 FOR CN COMMERCIAL NEIGHBORHOOD
08/27/09 18:06:36 TO CG COMMERCIAL GENERAL.
08/27/09 18:06:39 THEREFORE NO WAIVERS ARE BEING
08/27/09 18:06:39 REQUESTED THIS EVENING.
08/27/09 18:06:40 PETITIONER IS PROPOSING TO
08/27/09 18:06:43 REZONE THE PROPERTY TO ALLOW
08/27/09 18:06:46 FOR COMMERCIAL USES ON THE
08/27/09 18:06:46 SITE.
08/27/09 18:06:48 CG ZONING REQUIRES MINIMUM LOT
08/27/09 18:06:51 SIZE OF 10,000 SQUARE FEET AND
08/27/09 18:06:53 THIS SITE CONTAINS
08/27/09 18:06:54 APPROXIMATELY 18, 457 SQUARE
08/27/09 18:06:57 FEET WITH 210 FEET OF FRONTAGE.
08/27/09 18:06:59 ONE ITEM I WOULD LIKE TO
08/27/09 18:07:00 MENTION ON THIS IS THAT THIS IS
08/27/09 18:07:02 GOING TO BE HEARD IN BETWEEN
08/27/09 18:07:05 FIRST AND SECOND READING AT THE
08/27/09 18:07:05 ARC FOR RECOMMENDATION.
08/27/09 18:07:08 IT IS NOT A SITE PLAN
08/27/09 18:07:09 CONTROLLED DISTRICT.
08/27/09 18:07:11 IT IS A EUCLIDIAN DISTRICT.
08/27/09 18:07:13 THAT HEARING WILL TAKE PLACE ON
08/27/09 18:07:13 SEPTEMBER 14.
08/27/09 18:07:15 AND A RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE
08/27/09 18:07:17 BROUGHT BEFORE CITY COUNCIL
08/27/09 18:07:18 BEFORE SECOND READING SHOULD
08/27/09 18:07:21 DECIDE TO MAKE IT
08/27/09 18:07:26 SECOND
08/27/09 18:07:26 READING THIS EVENING.
08/27/09 18:07:29 >>
08/27/09 18:07:32 QUICKLY GO THROUGH
08/27/09 18:07:36 PRESENTATION.
08/27/09 18:07:39 AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE ZONING
08/27/09 18:07:41 ATLAS THIS PARCEL IS LOCATED AT
08/27/09 18:07:44 THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF
08/27/09 18:07:47 FLORIBRASKA SHOWN
08/27/09 18:07:50 HERE IN
08/27/09 18:07:50 GREEN.
08/27/09 18:07:53 RS50 ZONING,
08/27/09 18:07:55 I-275 TO THE EAST.
08/27/09 18:07:57 THERE ARE SOME SPATTERRINGS OF
08/27/09 18:07:59 COMMERCIAL USES AT THE CORNER
08/27/09 18:08:02 OF CENTRAL WHICH IS ONE
08/27/09 18:08:03 BLOCK
08/27/09 18:08:06 OVER FROM THIS PROPERTY.
08/27/09 18:08:09 TO
08/27/09 18:08:12 SHOW YOU AN AERIAL.
08/27/09 18:08:21 HERE IS A PICTURE OF
08/27/09 18:08:22 THE
08/27/09 18:08:25 STRUCTURE AS IT CURRENTLY SITS
08/27/09 18:08:25 TODAY.
08/27/09 18:08:26 MIND YOU WITH THIS EUCLIDIAN
08/27/09 18:08:29 REQUEST AND ALSO BEING LOCATED
08/27/09 18:08:30 IN HISTORIC DISTRICT ANY
08/27/09 18:08:31 MODIFICATIONS TO THIS BUILDING
08/27/09 18:08:34 WOULD BE SUBJECT TO REVIEW BY
08/27/09 18:08:37 THE ARC AND ALL PERMEATING
08/27/09 18:08:40 REQUIREMENTS AS OF CHANGE OF
08/27/09 18:08:41 USE WOULD ALSO BE REQUIRED.
08/27/09 18:08:44 THIS IS
08/27/09 18:08:46 THE PROPERTY TO THE
08/27/09 18:08:46 WEST.
08/27/09 18:08:48 THIS IS LOOK NORTH.
08/27/09 18:08:51 THIS IS IMMEDIATELY EAST OF THE
08/27/09 18:08:52 PROPERTY.
08/27/09 18:08:54 AND THIS IS LOOKING DOWN
08/27/09 18:08:54 FLORIBRASKA.
08/27/09 18:08:57 YOU CAN SEE THE SMALL MARKET
08/27/09 18:08:57 AT
08/27/09 18:08:58 THE CORNER OF CENTRAL.
08/27/09 18:09:01 THIS IS THE SOUTH
08/27/09 18:09:04 SIDE AT
08/27/09 18:09:07 THE
08/27/09 18:09:07 CORNER.
08/27/09 18:09:08 SOUTHWEST CORNER.
08/27/09 18:09:10 ANOTHER SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE
08/27/09 18:09:13 ALONG ALL SINGLE FAMILY
08/27/09 18:09:13 RESIDENCES ALONG THE SOUTH.
08/27/09 18:09:15 >> I WANT TO ASK A QUESTION.
08/27/09 18:09:18 >> THIS IS THE PROPERTY
08/27/09 18:09:20 IMMEDIATELY TO THE WEST.
08/27/09 18:09:20 >> EXCUSE ME ONE MINUTE.
08/27/09 18:09:22 I THINK SHE WANTS YOU TO GO
08/27/09 18:09:25 BACK TO THE
08/27/09 18:09:28 PREVIOUS
08/27/09 18:09:29 DISTRICT.
08/27/09 18:09:30 >> THANK YOU, YES.
08/27/09 18:09:31 >> IS IT THAT?
08/27/09 18:09:32 >> YES.
08/27/09 18:09:33 WOULD YOU SAY --I WAS JUST
08/27/09 18:09:36 LOOKING AT THE ZONING MAP AND
08/27/09 18:09:38 IT SAYS THAT THERE'S RF50 UP
08/27/09 18:09:39 AND DOWN THE STREET.
08/27/09 18:09:40 THIS LOOKS LIKE A NEIGHBORHOOD.
08/27/09 18:09:43 WOULD YOU SAY THIS IS PRETTY
08/27/09 18:09:44 CHARACTERISTIC OF THE
08/27/09 18:09:47 NEIGHBORHOOD OF THAT PORTION OF
08/27/09 18:09:51 FLORIBRASKA?
08/27/09 18:09:52 >> YES, MA'AM.
08/27/09 18:09:55 >> THANK YOU.
08/27/09 18:09:56 >> I'M SORRY.
08/27/09 18:09:57 I THINK I WAS CONCLUDING THIS
08/27/09 18:09:59 WAS TO THE WEST OF THE SUBJECT
08/27/09 18:10:01 PROPERTY AND A LITTLE FURTHER
08/27/09 18:10:04 WEST AT THE CORNER OF CENTRAL
08/27/09 18:10:06 AND FLORIBRASKA THE NORTHEAST
08/27/09 18:10:09 CORNER.
08/27/09 18:10:15 STAFF IS AVAILABLE FOR
08/27/09 18:10:16 ANY
08/27/09 18:10:16 QUESTIONS.
08/27/09 18:10:16 >> YES.
08/27/09 18:10:17 >> THANK YOU, MR. TRUMAN.
08/27/09 18:10:20 WHEN I LOOKED AT THIS IT
08/27/09 18:10:21 STRUCK
08/27/09 18:10:23 ME THAT THE INTERSTATE CREATES
08/27/09 18:10:25 A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT BARRIER TO
08/27/09 18:10:28 THE EAST AND TO THE WEST WE
08/27/09 18:10:30 BASICALLY HAVE SINGLE FAMILY
08/27/09 18:10:30 HOMES.
08/27/09 18:10:32 BUT YOU SHOWED US THE MARKET.
08/27/09 18:10:33 WOULD THE MARKET BE AVAILABLE
08/27/09 18:10:35 IN A CN ZONING NEIGHBORHOOD
08/27/09 18:10:37 COMMERCIAL ZONING LIKE THE ONE
08/27/09 18:10:40 THAT THEY CURRENTLY HAVE HERE?
08/27/09 18:10:43 AND THEN THE TABLE YOU GAVE
08/27/09 18:10:44 US
08/27/09 18:10:44 FOR ADDITIONAL USES THEY'RE
08/27/09 18:10:46 ASKING --I'LL WAIT AND ASK THE
08/27/09 18:10:49 PETITIONER WHAT THEY WANT TO DO
08/27/09 18:10:50 HERE.
08/27/09 18:10:53 >> I JUST WANT TO
08/27/09 18:10:55 CLARIFY THAT
08/27/09 18:10:57 RETAIL SALES SHOPPERS GOODS
08/27/09 18:11:00 WOULD NOT BE PERMITTED IN
08/27/09 18:11:00 A CN
08/27/09 18:11:03 RETAIL SPECIALTY GOODS WOULD BE
08/27/09 18:11:03 PERMITTED.
08/27/09 18:11:04 AND RETAIL SALES CONVENIENCE
08/27/09 18:11:07 GOODS WHICH WOULD PROBABLY BE
08/27/09 18:11:10 THAT MARKET WOULD BE
08/27/09 18:11:13 PERMISSIBLE
08/27/09 18:11:16 IN
08/27/09 18:11:18 BOTH DISTRICTS.
08/27/09 18:11:18 YES.
08/27/09 18:11:18 >> THANKS.
08/27/09 18:11:21 >> THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN.
08/27/09 18:11:24 I
08/27/09 18:11:24 HAVE BEEN SWORN.
08/27/09 18:11:25 GOOD EVENING.
08/27/09 18:11:27 I WOULD LIKE TO FIRST OF ALL GO
08/27/09 18:11:29 AHEAD AND GIVE YOU A GENERAL
08/27/09 18:11:30 DESCRIPTION OF THE CATEGORIES
08/27/09 18:11:31 IN THIS AREA.
08/27/09 18:11:33 ON THE WEST SIDE WE DO HAVE
08/27/09 18:11:36 GLOBALS PARK TO THE NORTH
08/27/09 18:11:38 IDENTIFIED AS RECREATION OPEN
08/27/09 18:11:39 SPACE.
08/27/09 18:11:39 THEN WE HAVE RESIDENTIAL
08/27/09 18:11:42 PARTIALIZATION SOUTH OF THAT
08/27/09 18:11:44 WHICH IS PRETTY MUCH
08/27/09 18:11:45 RESIDENTIAL 10.
08/27/09 18:11:46 COUPLE OF NONCONFORMING
08/27/09 18:11:47 COMMERCIAL USES THAT ARE ALONG
08/27/09 18:11:49 THE LINE OVER HERE TOWARDS THE
08/27/09 18:11:49 WEST.
08/27/09 18:11:52 AND OF COURSE AS YOU
08/27/09 18:11:53 GET
08/27/09 18:11:56 FARTHER TO THE WEST
08/27/09 18:11:57 REACH
08/27/09 18:11:57 FLORIDA AVENUE.
08/27/09 18:11:59 ON THE EASTERN SIDE OF
08/27/09 18:12:00 FLORIBRASKA WE HAVE CME35.
08/27/09 18:12:03 OVER HERE THIS IS A HIGH
08/27/09 18:12:06 RESIDENTIAL CATEGORY OF
08/27/09 18:12:06 RESIDENTIAL 20.
08/27/09 18:12:09 SUBJECT PROPERTY DOES HAVE LAND
08/27/09 18:12:10 USE 35 ALSO WHICH ALLOWS
08/27/09 18:12:13 CONSIDERATION OF THE
08/27/09 18:12:15 CN
08/27/09 18:12:15 NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL ZONING
08/27/09 18:12:18 DISTRICT APPLIED BY THE
08/27/09 18:12:18 APPLICANT THIS EVENING.
08/27/09 18:12:20 IT'S BEEN STATED I THINK
08/27/09 18:12:23 ALREADY STATE TODAY YOU THIS IS
08/27/09 18:12:24 WITHIN HISTORIC DISTRICT SO
08/27/09 18:12:26 THIS HAS TO FALL UNDER THE
08/27/09 18:12:27 PARAMETERS FOR THE GENERAL AREA
08/27/09 18:12:29 AS IT RELATES TO COMMERCIAL AND
08/27/09 18:12:29 RESIDENTIAL USE.
08/27/09 18:12:33 SO THAT PROTECTION IS
08/27/09 18:12:33 THERE
08/27/09 18:12:34 REGARDLESS OF THE INTENSITY OF
08/27/09 18:12:34 THE USE.
08/27/09 18:12:36 ALL OF THAT THERE'S NOT A GREAT
08/27/09 18:12:39 VARIETY OF DIFFERENCE BETWEEN
08/27/09 18:12:41 THE USES ON LAND DEVELOPMENT
08/27/09 18:12:44 CODE BETWEEN CG
08/27/09 18:12:46 AND CN USES.
08/27/09 18:12:48 NOT A SIGNIFICANT DEPARTURE
08/27/09 18:12:50 FROM INTENSITY FROM CG TO CI.
08/27/09 18:12:52 I THINK WHAT IS SIGNIFICANT
08/27/09 18:12:55 ALSO THIS IS RIGHT OFF THE
08/27/09 18:12:55 EXIT
08/27/09 18:12:57 RAMP FLORIBRASKA THAT'S THE
08/27/09 18:12:58 INTERSTATE YOU SEE HERE
08/27/09 18:13:00 DEPICKETTED JUST TO THE EAST OF
08/27/09 18:13:03 THE SITE DEPICTED ON THE AREA
08/27/09 18:13:04 RIGHT HERE.
08/27/09 18:13:07 SO QUITE A CONCENTRATION OF
08/27/09 18:13:08 AUTOMOTIVE ACTIVITY COMING OFF
08/27/09 18:13:11 THIS RAMP MOSTLY GOING TO
08/27/09 18:13:11 THE
08/27/09 18:13:13 WEST TO ACCESS FLORIBRASKA OR
08/27/09 18:13:15 POINTS EITHER TO THE SOUTH
08/27/09 18:13:18 TAMPA STREET
08/27/09 18:13:21 INTO THE DOWNTOWN
08/27/09 18:13:22 CORE.
08/27/09 18:13:22 CONSISTENT WITH COMPREHENSIVE.
08/27/09 18:13:25 [ INDISCERNIBLE ].
08/27/09 18:13:28 >>
08/27/09 18:13:29 COMMISSIONER.
08/27/09 18:13:29 >> QUESTION BY COUNCIL?
08/27/09 18:13:32 >> MY
08/27/09 18:13:35 --
08/27/09 18:13:39 WELL, WHAT'S YOUR
08/27/09 18:13:39 QUESTION?
08/27/09 18:13:42 >>
08/27/09 18:13:44 PETITIONER?
08/27/09 18:13:46 >> HELLO.
08/27/09 18:13:47 WILLIAM CRESCENZO.
08/27/09 18:13:50 I'M A MANAGING MEMBER OF
08/27/09 18:13:50 CRESCENZO HOLDINGS.
08/27/09 18:13:52 WITH THIS PARCEL WE'VE HAD IT
08/27/09 18:13:55 LISTED FOR YEARS NOT JUST A
08/27/09 18:13:56 YEAR BUT YEARS TRYING TO LEASE
08/27/09 18:13:59 THE PROPERTY OUT
08/27/09 18:14:02 FOR THE CN
08/27/09 18:14:02 ZONING.
08/27/09 18:14:03 WE'VE HAD --THERE IS NOBODY
08/27/09 18:14:04 THAT ACTUALLY WANTS TO LEASE
08/27/09 18:14:06 PROPERTY FOR THAT TYPE OF ZONE.
08/27/09 18:14:07 WE'VE TRIED EVERYTHING IN OUR
08/27/09 18:14:08 BEST EFFORTS TO DO THAT.
08/27/09 18:14:11 THE ONLY THING WE HAVE HAD IS
08/27/09 18:14:13 WE HAVE A FEW PEOPLE IN THE
08/27/09 18:14:16 LAST YEAR THAT WANTED TO TRY TO
08/27/09 18:14:18 DO A FAMILY MECHANICAL CENTER
08/27/09 18:14:21 AND THE PROBLEM IS WE CAN ONLY
08/27/09 18:14:22 DO THAT WITH CG ZONING.
08/27/09 18:14:25 THE PROPERTY USED TO BE
08/27/09 18:14:28 A
08/27/09 18:14:30 MECHANIC SHOP RIGHT OFF THE
08/27/09 18:14:30 INTERSTATE.
08/27/09 18:14:32 IT WAS NOT IN USE FOR YEARS.
08/27/09 18:14:34 IT LOST ITS GRANDFATHER USE AND
08/27/09 18:14:34 NOW DOWN TO CN.
08/27/09 18:14:36 WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING WITH IT.
08/27/09 18:14:38 WE'VE ACTUALLY BEEN HOLDING THE
08/27/09 18:14:41 PROPERTY FOR CLOSE TO MAYBE
08/27/09 18:14:41 FOUR YEARS.
08/27/09 18:14:43 AND IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS
08/27/09 18:14:45 WE'VE TRIED TO LEASE IT OUT.
08/27/09 18:14:48 BUT WE'VE HAD NO SUCCESS
08/27/09 18:14:49 AT
08/27/09 18:14:49 ALL.
08/27/09 18:14:52 AT THIS POINT WE WANT TO MAKE
08/27/09 18:14:54 IT LIKE A --WE WANT TO
08/27/09 18:14:55 RECREATE THE WHOLE STRUCTURE
08/27/09 18:14:58 AND MAKE
08/27/09 18:15:00 IT VERY HISTORICAL.
08/27/09 18:15:02 THE BUILDINGS FROM THE 70s BUT
08/27/09 18:15:05 HISTORICALLY LIKE A 50s TYPE
08/27/09 18:15:08 SHOP WHERE IT'S VERY WELL
08/27/09 18:15:08 REDONE.
08/27/09 18:15:11 OUR COMPANY HAD REDONE A LOT OF
08/27/09 18:15:14 THE HOMES IN TAMPA
08/27/09 18:15:16 HEIGHTS AND
08/27/09 18:15:18 YBOR HEIGHTS AND EVERYBODY ELSE
08/27/09 18:15:19 FLED TO OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS.
08/27/09 18:15:20 WE WANT TO TRY TO KEEP THIS
08/27/09 18:15:22 NEIGHBORHOOD AS NICE AS
08/27/09 18:15:24 POSSIBLE AND IT'S REALLY HARD
08/27/09 18:15:27 AT THIS POINT WITH
08/27/09 18:15:30 EVERYTHING
08/27/09 18:15:33 WITH THE MARKET
08/27/09 18:15:33 DECREASE.
08/27/09 18:15:34 >> GO AHEAD.
08/27/09 18:15:36 >> I DON'T KNOW.
08/27/09 18:15:37 WE'RE JUST ASKING THAT WE CAN
08/27/09 18:15:40 TRY TO GET THIS REZONE SO WE
08/27/09 18:15:41 CAN PUT THIS BUILDING BACK INTO
08/27/09 18:15:42 USE INSTEAD OF SITTING
08/27/09 18:15:44 ABANDONED FOR AS LONG AS IT
08/27/09 18:15:44 HAS.
08/27/09 18:15:46 WE DO WANT TO PUT TENANTS IN
08/27/09 18:15:49 THERE AND MAKE
08/27/09 18:15:49 THE AREA LOOK
08/27/09 18:15:52 NICER AGAIN.
08/27/09 18:15:53 >> THAT YOUR PRESENTATION?
08/27/09 18:15:55 >> I'M SORRY.
08/27/09 18:15:56 >> ANYTHING ELSE?
08/27/09 18:15:56 >> NO.
08/27/09 18:15:57 THAT'S ALL.
08/27/09 18:15:57 >> THANK YOU.
08/27/09 18:15:58 I'M REALLY PLEASED TO HEAR THAT
08/27/09 18:15:59 YOU THINK THE ORIGINAL BUILDING
08/27/09 18:16:01 IS KIND OF COOL LOOKING BECAUSE
08/27/09 18:16:02 IT IS.
08/27/09 18:16:04 MY CONCERN IS THIS, THE BIGGEST
08/27/09 18:16:05 DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CN WHICH YOU
08/27/09 18:16:08 HAVE AND CI WHICH YOU'RE
08/27/09 18:16:10 ASKING
08/27/09 18:16:13 FOR IS AUTOMOTIVE REPAIR.
08/27/09 18:16:13 AND YOU'RE CG RATHER.
08/27/09 18:16:15 THANK YOU.
08/27/09 18:16:15 YOU BACK UP TO HOUSES.
08/27/09 18:16:17 YOU'VE GOT HOUSES TO THE WEST.
08/27/09 18:16:20 HOUSES ACROSS THE STREET FROM
08/27/09 18:16:21 YOU.
08/27/09 18:16:22 YOU'VE GOT HOUSES ALL AROUND.
08/27/09 18:16:24 AND I JUST AM CONCERNED ABOUT
08/27/09 18:16:26 GIVING YOU A ZONING THAT WILL
08/27/09 18:16:28 ALLOW YOU TO BE A GOOD
08/27/09 18:16:28 NEIGHBOR.
08/27/09 18:16:29 I WOULD ASSUME THAT YOU'RE
08/27/09 18:16:31 GOING TO WANT TO PUT A BIG
08/27/09 18:16:32 FENCE UP AROUND THE WHOLE THING
08/27/09 18:16:34 AND GOD KNOWS WHAT KIND OF GEAR
08/27/09 18:16:37 GRINDING THE BUSINESS IS GOING
08/27/09 18:16:39 TO REQUIRE.
08/27/09 18:16:41 I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE
08/27/09 18:16:42 INTENSITY OF THAT NEXT TO WHERE
08/27/09 18:16:43 SOMEBODY LIVES.
08/27/09 18:16:44 I FEEL LIKE IF YOU WERE ON MORE
08/27/09 18:16:46 COMMERCIAL STREET THAT WOULD BE
08/27/09 18:16:47 ONE THING.
08/27/09 18:16:49 BUT THIS PARTICULAR
08/27/09 18:16:50 NEIGHBORHOOD YOU'RE IN IS
08/27/09 18:16:52 REALLY A SINGLE FAMILY
08/27/09 18:16:54 NEIGHBORHOOD OF DETACHED SINGLE
08/27/09 18:16:54 FAMILY HOMES.
08/27/09 18:16:56 HOW WILL YOU PROTECT THE PEOPLE
08/27/09 18:16:57 WHO LIVE AROUND YOU?
08/27/09 18:17:00 >> THE CG WE'RE ASKING FOR IS
08/27/09 18:17:03 MORE OF A LIGHT
08/27/09 18:17:04 COMMERCIAL.
08/27/09 18:17:04 THERE'S NOT LIKE HEAVY
08/27/09 18:17:07 AUTOMOTIVE REPAIR THAT CAN BE
08/27/09 18:17:07 DONE.
08/27/09 18:17:09 IT'S MORE OF A I GUESS THE
08/27/09 18:17:11 ZONING EXPLAINED TO ME MORE OF
08/27/09 18:17:13 LIKE A SPARK PLUGS, OIL CHANGE.
08/27/09 18:17:14 IT'S NOTHING HEAVY.
08/27/09 18:17:16 IT'S NOT LIKE REPAIRING CARS
08/27/09 18:17:16 THAT HAVE BEEN IN ACCIDENTS.
08/27/09 18:17:19 >> YOU COULD HAVE A USED CAR
08/27/09 18:17:20 LOT THERE I BELIEVE.
08/27/09 18:17:23 >> I DON'T THINK SO.
08/27/09 18:17:24 >> YOU COULDN'T?
08/27/09 18:17:24 >> NO.
08/27/09 18:17:27 IT'S NOT AS STRONG AS I WOULD
08/27/09 18:17:29 LIKE IT TO BE.
08/27/09 18:17:30 I'M SORRY.
08/27/09 18:17:32 >> IF I MAY JUST CLARIFY.
08/27/09 18:17:34 IF YOU'LL LOOK ON YOUR USE
08/27/09 18:17:35 TABLE YOU WILL SEE VEHICLE
08/27/09 18:17:37 REPAIR MINOR THAT'S PERMITTED
08/27/09 18:17:40 AND THAT'S PRETTY MUCH LIKE
08/27/09 18:17:42 SPARK PLUGS, BATTERIES, OIL
08/27/09 18:17:45 CHANGE, MUFFLERS, TAIL PIPES,
08/27/09 18:17:46 RADIATOR CLEAN, FLUSHING,
08/27/09 18:17:47 WASHING AND POLISHING.
08/27/09 18:17:50 THEY CANNOT HAVE AUTO SALES
08/27/09 18:17:51 THERE AT ALL.
08/27/09 18:17:53 NOT IN CN OR CG.
08/27/09 18:17:56 NO AUTO SALES OR
08/27/09 18:17:56 LEASING.
08/27/09 18:17:58 ONLY MINOR VEHICLE REPAIR.
08/27/09 18:18:01 >> WILL THE
08/27/09 18:18:03 OVERLAY FOR THE
08/27/09 18:18:05 NEIGHBORHOOD KEEP --WHAT KIND
08/27/09 18:18:07 OF BUFFERING WILL BE REQUIRED?
08/27/09 18:18:10 >> THE BUFFERING WILL BE VERY
08/27/09 18:18:10 STRINGENT BUFFERING.
08/27/09 18:18:13 IT WILL TYPICALLY BE
08/27/09 18:18:14 15 FEET
08/27/09 18:18:16 WITH A SIX FOOT MASONRY WALL.
08/27/09 18:18:17 THERE'S NO WAIVERS.
08/27/09 18:18:18 HE WILL HAVE TO MEET THAT
08/27/09 18:18:20 THROUGH THE CHANGE OF USE
08/27/09 18:18:23 PROCESS WITH
08/27/09 18:18:24 CONSTRUCTION
08/27/09 18:18:25 SERVICES.
08/27/09 18:18:27 >> YOU UNDERSTAND MASONRY WALL
08/27/09 18:18:27 ALL AROUND?
08/27/09 18:18:28 >> YEAH.
08/27/09 18:18:29 ON THE BACKSIDE --IT WOULD BE
08/27/09 18:18:32 ON THE INSIDE AND
08/27/09 18:18:33 ON THE WEST
08/27/09 18:18:33 SIDE.
08/27/09 18:18:36 TYPICALLY A SIX FOOT MACE SONLY
08/27/09 18:18:39 WALL WITH
08/27/09 18:18:41 LANDSCAPE AND
08/27/09 18:18:41 PLANTINGS.
08/27/09 18:18:43 >> YES, SIR.
08/27/09 18:18:45 >> TOTAL PROPERTY IS 18, 457
08/27/09 18:18:45 SQUARE FEET.
08/27/09 18:18:47 HOW LARGE IS THE BUILDING?
08/27/09 18:18:50 >> I BELIEVE INSIDE
08/27/09 18:18:52 IT'S 1500
08/27/09 18:18:53 SQUARE FOOT.
08/27/09 18:18:53 MAYBE 1550.
08/27/09 18:18:56 BUT IT WOULD HAVE
08/27/09 18:18:57 AN AWNING
08/27/09 18:18:59 ACTUALLY 1500 USABLE SPACE ON
08/27/09 18:18:59 THE INSIDE.
08/27/09 18:19:01 >> SO ALL OF YOUR REPAIRS ARE
08/27/09 18:19:04 GOING TO BE DONE INSIDE THE
08/27/09 18:19:04 BUILDING NOT OUTSIDE?
08/27/09 18:19:05 >> CORRECT.
08/27/09 18:19:08 WITH THIS TYPE OF ZONING WE
08/27/09 18:19:09 ARE
08/27/09 18:19:11 ONLY ALLOWED TO HAVE PER GARAGE
08/27/09 18:19:14 DOOR ONLY TWO CARS I BELIEVE OR
08/27/09 18:19:15 MAYBE ONE CAR OUTSIDE.
08/27/09 18:19:16 SO I THINK WE'RE COMPLETELY
08/27/09 18:19:19 CAPPED AT SIX CARS ON THIS
08/27/09 18:19:21 ENTIRE PROPERTY AT ONCE.
08/27/09 18:19:22 THERE CAN NEVER BE MORE THAN
08/27/09 18:19:25 THAT MANY CARS
08/27/09 18:19:27 PARKED OUTSIDE.
08/27/09 18:19:28 >> THANK YOU.
08/27/09 18:19:28 >> COUNCILMAN.
08/27/09 18:19:30 >> I REMEMBER YOU FROM A YEAR
08/27/09 18:19:32 OR TWO BACK YOU HAVE A
08/27/09 18:19:33 COMMITMENT TO THAT
08/27/09 18:19:33 NEIGHBORHOOD.
08/27/09 18:19:35 YOU'VE BEEN DOING OTHER
08/27/09 18:19:38 PROJECTS OTHER THERE RIGHT?
08/27/09 18:19:38 >> CORRECT.
08/27/09 18:19:41 >> THE --WHEN I LOOKED AT THE
08/27/09 18:19:43 PICTURE I THOUGHT TO MYSELF OH,
08/27/09 18:19:44 GOOD, YOU'RE GOING TO TURN IT
08/27/09 18:19:45 INTO A NEAT DINER OR SOMETHING.
08/27/09 18:19:48 IT HAS SUCH A GREAT LOOK TO IT.
08/27/09 18:19:51 >> I REALLY
08/27/09 18:19:52 WISH WE COULD HAVE.
08/27/09 18:19:54 WE JUST NEVER HAD ANY INTEREST.
08/27/09 18:19:57 AND A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE JUST
08/27/09 18:19:57 NOT INTERESTED.
08/27/09 18:19:59 EVEN THOUGH IT'S THE INTERSTATE
08/27/09 18:20:00 PROPERTY GOING INTO TAMPA
08/27/09 18:20:02 HEIGHTS, I HAVEN'T HAD ANY LUCK
08/27/09 18:20:02 WITH THAT.
08/27/09 18:20:05 >> I THINK THAT'S
08/27/09 18:20:07 PROBABLY A
08/27/09 18:20:08 TOUGH EXIT.
08/27/09 18:20:09 ANY WAY, I'M PLEASED TO HEAR
08/27/09 18:20:11 THAT MOST OF THE REPAIR WORK
08/27/09 18:20:14 WOULD BE INDOORS AND THAT YOU'D
08/27/09 18:20:17 HAVE TO ENCLOSE IT WITH
08/27/09 18:20:19 THOSE
08/27/09 18:20:19 CINDER BLOCK WALL.
08/27/09 18:20:19 THANK YOU.
08/27/09 18:20:22 >> DID YOU SAY YOU'RE GOING TO
08/27/09 18:20:24 LEASE IT OUT OR YOU'RE GOING TO
08/27/09 18:20:24 BE --
08/27/09 18:20:26 >> WE WERE GOING TO REDO THE
08/27/09 18:20:27 BUILDING.
08/27/09 18:20:27 OUR COMPANY.
08/27/09 18:20:28 THEN WE WOULD LEASE IT OUT.
08/27/09 18:20:30 SO IT WOULD BE KEPT TO A HIGH
08/27/09 18:20:30 STANDARD.
08/27/09 18:20:32 EVERYTHING THAT WE END UP DOING
08/27/09 18:20:34 IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD IS --I
08/27/09 18:20:36 LIVE OVER THERE SO IT'S KIND OF
08/27/09 18:20:37 MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE TO
08/27/09 18:20:38 MYSELF RATHER THAN A PERSON
08/27/09 18:20:40 THAT LIVES IN A DIFFERENT
08/27/09 18:20:40 NEIGHBORHOOD.
08/27/09 18:20:43 I WANTED TO REDO THE OUTSIDE
08/27/09 18:20:45 AND YOU KNOW JUST BEAUTIFY THE
08/27/09 18:20:45 PROPERTY.
08/27/09 18:20:46 I WAS GOING TO LEASE IT OUT TO
08/27/09 18:20:49 A PERSON BUT I WOULD BE IN
08/27/09 18:20:50 CONTROL OF THE WHOLE EXTERIOR
08/27/09 18:20:51 AND HOW PEOPLE WOULD SEE IT.
08/27/09 18:20:53 >> DO YOU HAVE SOMEBODY IN MIND
08/27/09 18:20:55 THAT YOU WOULD LEASE IT OUT TO?
08/27/09 18:20:58 >> WE HAVE A HUSBAND AND WIFE
08/27/09 18:21:01 AND THEY'VE HAD A MECHANIC SHOP
08/27/09 18:21:03 FOR A LONG TIME.
08/27/09 18:21:06 THEY'RE MOVING FROM THE
08/27/09 18:21:09 HILLSBORO AREA TO OUR
08/27/09 18:21:09 VICINITY.
08/27/09 18:21:11 THEY'RE VERY NICE PEOPLE.
08/27/09 18:21:13 I LOOKED AT THE RUBBER PLATES,
08/27/09 18:21:13 VERY CLEAN.
08/27/09 18:21:15 I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE A GOOD
08/27/09 18:21:15 SITUATION.
08/27/09 18:21:18 >> ANYONE HERE IN OPPOSITION TO
08/27/09 18:21:20 THIS PETITION?
08/27/09 18:21:22 ANYONE HERE IN OPPOSITION,
08/27/09 18:21:23 OPPOSE THIS POSITION?
08/27/09 18:21:26 ANYONE HERE TO SUPPORT AND FEEL
08/27/09 18:21:29 LIKE YOU'VE GOT TO
08/27/09 18:21:30 SPEAK?
08/27/09 18:21:33 >> THERE'S A LADY.
08/27/09 18:21:34 >> COME ON UP.
08/27/09 18:21:35 >> HI.
08/27/09 18:21:36 I ACTUALLY USED TO BE ONE OF
08/27/09 18:21:37 THE DIRECTORS ON THE
08/27/09 18:21:39 CORPORATION BUT NOW I STILL
08/27/09 18:21:39 WORK WITH WILL.
08/27/09 18:21:40 AND I WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW
08/27/09 18:21:42 THAT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE
08/27/09 18:21:44 PICTURES IT'S HARD TO TELL BUT
08/27/09 18:21:46 THE BUILDING ITSELF WAS A SOLE
08/27/09 18:21:46 AUTO MECHANIC.
08/27/09 18:21:49 WHEN YOU GO INSIDE IT HAS
08/27/09 18:21:50 CEMENT STORES, THE OLD STATION,
08/27/09 18:21:51 BIG DOORS WHERE THEY USED TO
08/27/09 18:21:53 PUT ALL THEIR MONEY AND THAT
08/27/09 18:21:53 KIND OF STUFF.
08/27/09 18:21:55 WE WANT TO KEEP IT BASICALLY
08/27/09 18:21:56 LOOKING THE SAME.
08/27/09 18:21:58 LIKE WILL SAID WE LOOKED AT THE
08/27/09 18:22:00 OLD SCHOOL CHROME AROUND THE
08/27/09 18:22:01 EDGES AND PAINTING THE BUILDING
08/27/09 18:22:04 A NEUTRAL COLOR THAT IT LOOKS
08/27/09 18:22:05 LIKE THE FUNKY 50s BUILDING.
08/27/09 18:22:07 EVERYBODY THAT GOES OUT THERE
08/27/09 18:22:09 YOU'RE GOING TO TEAR THIS DOWN?
08/27/09 18:22:09 WE LIKE THIS BUILDING.
08/27/09 18:22:11 WE'VE HAD IT FOR A LONG TIME.
08/27/09 18:22:13 WE'VE HAD PEOPLE INTERESTED IN
08/27/09 18:22:13 BUYING IT.
08/27/09 18:22:15 >> ARE YOU IN SUPPORT OF IT
08/27/09 18:22:16 WHAT YOU'RE SAYING?
08/27/09 18:22:16 >> NO.
08/27/09 18:22:18 I JUST WANT TO LET YOU KNOW
08/27/09 18:22:19 BECAUSE I WAS PART OF THE
08/27/09 18:22:20 ENTIRE PROCESS.
08/27/09 18:22:23 >>
08/27/09 18:22:23 OKAY.
08/27/09 18:22:24 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
08/27/09 18:22:24 OKAY.
08/27/09 18:22:27 >> THESE PEOPLE CAME
08/27/09 18:22:27 OUT.
08/27/09 18:22:29 >> WELL MOTION TO CLOSE.
08/27/09 18:22:30 >> CLOSE.
08/27/09 18:22:30 >> SECOND.
08/27/09 18:22:32 >> ALL IN FAVOR.
08/27/09 18:22:32 SAY I.
08/27/09 18:22:35 >> I.
08/27/09 18:22:38 >> OKAY.
08/27/09 18:22:47 REZONING PROPERTY
08/27/09 18:22:48 IN THE
08/27/09 18:22:49 GENERAL VICINITY OF 520 EAST
08/27/09 18:22:52 FLORIBRASKA AVENUE IN THE CITY
08/27/09 18:22:55 OF TAMPA, FLORIDA, MORE
08/27/09 18:22:56 TYPICALLY DESCRIBED ZONING
08/27/09 18:22:57 DISTRICT CLASSIFICATION CN
08/27/09 18:22:59 COMMERCIAL NEIGHBORHOOD TO CG
08/27/09 18:23:02 COMMERCIAL GENERAL
08/27/09 18:23:05 PROVIDING AN
08/27/09 18:23:06 EFFECTIVE DATE.
08/27/09 18:23:06 >> SECONDS.
08/27/09 18:23:08 >> MOVED AND SECOND.
08/27/09 18:23:11 ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING
08/27/09 18:23:11 I.
08/27/09 18:23:12 >> I.
08/27/09 18:23:12 >> OPPOSES.
08/27/09 18:23:13 >> MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
08/27/09 18:23:16 SECOND READING ADOPTION
08/27/09 18:23:17 ON
08/27/09 18:23:20 SEPTEMBER 17 AT 9:30 A.M.
08/27/09 18:23:43 >>> LAND DEVELOPMENT.
08/27/09 18:23:43 I'VE BEEN SWORN.
08/27/09 18:23:46 COUNCIL THE SECOND HEARING
08/27/09 18:23:49 BEFORE YOU TONIGHT IS
08/27/09 18:23:51 ON CASE
08/27/09 18:23:52 Z09-29 LOCATED AT 2302W.
08/27/09 18:23:52 ST. LOUIS.
08/27/09 18:23:55 IT'S A REQUEST FOR A REZONING
08/27/09 18:23:57 FROM RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY
08/27/09 18:23:59 TO PD PLAN DEVELOPMENT BUSINESS
08/27/09 18:23:59 PROFESSIONAL OFFICE.
08/27/09 18:24:01 THERE ARE SEVEN WAIVERS
08/27/09 18:24:02 ASSOCIATED WITH THIS.
08/27/09 18:24:04 THE FIRST IS WAIVER OF GREEN
08/27/09 18:24:06 SPACE IN THE AMOUNT OF 220
08/27/09 18:24:06 SQUARE FEET.
08/27/09 18:24:09 THE SECOND IS TO REDUCE THE
08/27/09 18:24:10 REQUIRED BUFFER ON THE WEST
08/27/09 18:24:13 PROPERTY LINE FROM 15 FEET WITH
08/27/09 18:24:15 A 6-FOOT MASONRY WALL TO ZERO
08/27/09 18:24:17 FEET WITH SIX FOOT CHAIN LINK
08/27/09 18:24:17 FENCE.
08/27/09 18:24:18 THE THIRD IS TO REDUCE THE
08/27/09 18:24:19 REQUIRED LANDSCAPE BUFFER ON
08/27/09 18:24:22 THE EAST AND
08/27/09 18:24:23 SOUTH PROPERTY
08/27/09 18:24:24 LINES FROM 5'" TO ZERO.
08/27/09 18:24:27 THIS IS FOR USE OF
08/27/09 18:24:27 BUDDING
08/27/09 18:24:28 RIGHT-OF-WAY ACROSS FROM
08/27/09 18:24:29 RESIDENTIALLY OWNED PROPERTY.
08/27/09 18:24:32 THE FOURTH IS TO ALLOW
08/27/09 18:24:35 MANEUVERING
08/27/09 18:24:36 IN THE REAR.
08/27/09 18:24:39 THE FITE MANEUVERING OF THE
08/27/09 18:24:40 LIFE ON W. ST. LOUIS.
08/27/09 18:24:43 THE SIXTH IS WAIVER WEST TAMPA
08/27/09 18:24:44 OVERLAY MAINTAIN THE EXISTING
08/27/09 18:24:45 SIX FOOT CHAIN LINK FENCE ALONG
08/27/09 18:24:47 THE EAST AND WEST PROPERTY
08/27/09 18:24:47 LINES.
08/27/09 18:24:49 AND THE LAST IS TO REDUCE THE
08/27/09 18:24:50 REQUIRED SIDEWALK FROM SIX FEET
08/27/09 18:24:54 TO FOUR FEET
08/27/09 18:24:54 FOR EXISTING
08/27/09 18:24:57 CONDITIONS.
08/27/09 18:24:59 PETITIONER IS PROPOSING TO
08/27/09 18:25:00 REZONE THE PROPERTY AT 2302W.
08/27/09 18:25:03 ST. LOUIS TO UTILIZE
08/27/09 18:25:04 AN
08/27/09 18:25:05 EXISTING 1156 SQUARE FOOT
08/27/09 18:25:07 BUILDING AS A BUSINESS
08/27/09 18:25:09 PROFESSIONAL OFFICE USE.
08/27/09 18:25:11 THE EXISTING BUILDING IS
08/27/09 18:25:11 ORIENTS NORTH-SOUTH WITH
08/27/09 18:25:13 FRONTAGE ON WEST ST. LOUIS AND
08/27/09 18:25:14 HOWARD AVENUE.
08/27/09 18:25:17 THE PROPOSED BUILDING SET
08/27/09 18:25:18 BACKS
08/27/09 18:25:19 ARE AS FOLLOWS.
08/27/09 18:25:20 1'06" ON THE NORTH.
08/27/09 18:25:21 2'0" ON THE SOUTH.
08/27/09 18:25:24 1'0" ON THE EAST AND 1'" ON THE
08/27/09 18:25:24 WEST.
08/27/09 18:25:26 THE SITE BORDERED BY ROSE DECK
08/27/09 18:25:28 USUAL ZONING TO THE SOUTH, EAST
08/27/09 18:25:30 AND WEST AND PLAN DEVELOPMENT
08/27/09 18:25:31 TO THE NORTH.
08/27/09 18:25:32 SURROUNDING USES INCLUDE
08/27/09 18:25:33 BUILDING BUSINESS PROFESSIONAL
08/27/09 18:25:35 OFFICE TO THE NORTH AND
08/27/09 18:25:37 RESIDENTIAL ON THE REMAINING
08/27/09 18:25:37 SIDE.
08/27/09 18:25:39 MAXIMUM BUILDING HEIGHT IS 19
08/27/09 18:25:39 FEET.
08/27/09 18:25:40 VEHICULAR ACCESS WILL BE
08/27/09 18:25:42 LOCATED ON WEST ST. LOUIS FOR
08/27/09 18:25:44 THE A.D.A.
08/27/09 18:25:45 PARKING SPACE AND SOUTH HOWARD
08/27/09 18:25:47 AVENUE AT THE ALLEY FOR THE
08/27/09 18:25:48 THREE PARKING SPACES AT THE
08/27/09 18:25:49 REAR OF THE BUILDING.
08/27/09 18:25:51 TOTAL OF FOUR SPACES ARE
08/27/09 18:25:51 REQUIRED.
08/27/09 18:25:54 AND FOUR SPACES ARE BEING
08/27/09 18:25:57 PROVIDED.
08/27/09 18:26:06 >> THIS PROPERTY IS
08/27/09 18:26:08 JUST SOUTH
08/27/09 18:26:09 OF THE MORGAN CIGAR FACTORY.
08/27/09 18:26:11 I FOUND OUT THERE ARE TWO
08/27/09 18:26:12 MORGAN CIGAR FACTORY.
08/27/09 18:26:14 THIS IS THE SMALLER OF THE TWO.
08/27/09 18:26:17 THE OTHER ONE I KNOW YOU'RE ALL
08/27/09 18:26:20 FAMILIAR WITH IS MR. JAMAL'S
08/27/09 18:26:20 PROJECT ON HOWARD.
08/27/09 18:26:21 IT'S SHOWN HERE IN GREEN.
08/27/09 18:26:24 THERE IS SOME CI ZONING TO THE
08/27/09 18:26:26 NORTH UP NEAR COLUMBUS.
08/27/09 18:26:29 AS YOU KNOW THE HOWARD AND
08/27/09 18:26:31 ARMENIA AVENUE CORRIDORS THERE
08/27/09 18:26:33 ARE SEVERAL P.D.s AND OFFICE
08/27/09 18:26:34 TYPES OF USE IS SPATTERED
08/27/09 18:26:35 THROUGHOUT THOSE TWO CORRIDORS
08/27/09 18:26:38 IN THIS SECTION OF THE CITY.
08/27/09 18:26:50 AN AERIAL OF THE PROPERTY.
08/27/09 18:26:53 YOU DO HAVE SINGLE
08/27/09 18:26:53 FAMILY USES.
08/27/09 18:26:56 AND, AGAIN, THE CIGAR FACTORY
08/27/09 18:26:59 THERE TO THE NORTH.
08/27/09 18:27:02 THESE ARE A LITTLE
08/27/09 18:27:03 OUT OF
08/27/09 18:27:03 ORDER.
08/27/09 18:27:06 LET ME GET TO THE FRONT.
08/27/09 18:27:14 THE PICTURE OF THE SUBJECT
08/27/09 18:27:14 PROPERTY.
08/27/09 18:27:15 THIS WILL GIVE YOU A GOOD IDEA
08/27/09 18:27:17 OF WHERE THAT ADA SPACE IS
08/27/09 18:27:17 GOING TO GO.
08/27/09 18:27:20 IT'S GOING TO GO OVER HERE ON
08/27/09 18:27:23 THE WEST OF THE PROPERTY.
08/27/09 18:27:26 AND A NEW DRIVEWAY
08/27/09 18:27:27 WILL BE
08/27/09 18:27:27 INSTALLED HERE.
08/27/09 18:27:30 ALSO
08/27/09 18:27:31 A SIDEWALK WILL BE PLACED.
08/27/09 18:27:34 VIEW LOOKING SOUTH AT THE SIDE
08/27/09 18:27:35 OF THE PROPERTY.
08/27/09 18:27:38 THIS IS THE REAR WHERE THE
08/27/09 18:27:41 PARKING SPACES WILL BE LOCATED.
08/27/09 18:27:47 VIEW LOOKING NORTH
08/27/09 18:27:47 ON HOWARD AT
08/27/09 18:27:49 THIS SEGMENT.
08/27/09 18:27:50 MORGAN CIGAR FACTORY JUST
08/27/09 18:27:52 IMMEDIATELY TO THE NORTH WHICH
08/27/09 18:27:53 IS BUSINESS PROFESSIONAL OFFICE
08/27/09 18:27:54 USES.
08/27/09 18:27:57 THIS IS A VIEW TO
08/27/09 18:27:58 THE WEST ON
08/27/09 18:27:59 ST. LOUIS.
08/27/09 18:28:01 AS YOU CAN SEE THERE'S NO
08/27/09 18:28:03 SIDEWALK ALONG ST. LOUIS RIGHT
08/27/09 18:28:03 NOW.
08/27/09 18:28:06 THERE IS A LOT OF PARKING
08/27/09 18:28:07 AND
08/27/09 18:28:10 ACCESS ON
08/27/09 18:28:11 THE PROPERTIES IN THE
08/27/09 18:28:11 ALLEY.
08/27/09 18:28:14 AND I HAD A
08/27/09 18:28:15 FEW OF THE OTHER
08/27/09 18:28:16 PICTURES.
08/27/09 18:28:19 SOUTHEAST CORNER OF ST.
08/27/09 18:28:21 LOUIS
08/27/09 18:28:21 AND HOWARD.
08/27/09 18:28:25 THIS IS IMMEDIATELY
08/27/09 18:28:25 SOUTH OF
08/27/09 18:28:28 THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
08/27/09 18:28:31 AND THIS IS TO
08/27/09 18:28:32 THE WEST OF THE
08/27/09 18:28:34 PROPERTY.
08/27/09 18:28:36 STAFF FOUND THE REQUESTING
08/27/09 18:28:36 CONSISTENT.
08/27/09 18:28:37 THERE ARE SOME REVISIONS THAT
08/27/09 18:28:38 MUST BE MADE.
08/27/09 18:28:41 AS YOU CAN SEE ON PAGE 2 OF
08/27/09 18:28:44 THE
08/27/09 18:28:47 STAFF REPORT RELATED
08/27/09 18:28:48 TO
08/27/09 18:28:48 WAIVERS.
08/27/09 18:28:51 AND ALSO THERE WERE SOME TREE
08/27/09 18:28:52 AND LANDSCAPE COMMENTS.
08/27/09 18:28:53 THE ONE CLUSTER OF TREES SHOWN
08/27/09 18:28:56 ON THE SITE PLAN BEFORE
08/27/09 18:28:57 YOU IS
08/27/09 18:29:00 ACTUALLY ONE GRAND TREE INSTEAD
08/27/09 18:29:01 OF THREE.
08/27/09 18:29:02 WE WOULD LIKE THAT COMMENT FROM
08/27/09 18:29:05 TREE AND LANDSCAPE AS WELL
08/27/09 18:29:05 AS
08/27/09 18:29:07 PARKS AND RECREATION.
08/27/09 18:29:08 ALSO ADDED THAT ANY
08/27/09 18:29:09 MODIFICATIONS TO THE ASPHALT
08/27/09 18:29:12 AROUND THAT EXISTING GRAND
08/27/09 18:29:13 OCCUR THAT DAVE RILELY WOULD
08/27/09 18:29:14 NEED TO BE CONSULTED IN ORDER
08/27/09 18:29:16 FOR THE PROTECTION OF THAT
08/27/09 18:29:16 TREE.
08/27/09 18:29:19 IN ADDITION ON PAGE 4
08/27/09 18:29:20 STORM
08/27/09 18:29:21 WATER NEEDED.
08/27/09 18:29:22 ADDED FOR RETENTION.
08/27/09 18:29:25 AND ALSO PARKS
08/27/09 18:29:26 AND RECREATION
08/27/09 18:29:27 NOTE THERE.
08/27/09 18:29:28 UPON THOSE CHANGES, STAFF WOULD
08/27/09 18:29:29 FIND THIS CONSISTENT WITH THE
08/27/09 18:29:31 CITY OF TAMPA LAND DEVELOPMENT
08/27/09 18:29:33 REGULATIONS AND WE'RE AVAILABLE
08/27/09 18:29:36 FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
08/27/09 18:29:39 >> ANY QUESTIONS?
08/27/09 18:29:42 PLANNING
08/27/09 18:29:45 COMMISSION?
08/27/09 18:29:48 >> TONY GARCIA, PLANNING
08/27/09 18:29:48 COMMISSION STAFF.
08/27/09 18:29:49 I HAVE BEEN SWORN.
08/27/09 18:29:52 WE HAVE TWO URBAN VILLAGES IN A
08/27/09 18:29:53 ROW WE'VE ALREADY SEEN.
08/27/09 18:29:55 SO TALK TAMPA HEIGHTS FIRST AND
08/27/09 18:29:58 WEST TAMPA
08/27/09 18:30:00 WHICH IS AN URBAN
08/27/09 18:30:00 VILLAGE.
08/27/09 18:30:01 CATEGORIES IN THE AREA OF
08/27/09 18:30:03 COURSE HOWARD AVENUE BEING ONE
08/27/09 18:30:05 OF OUR MAJOR NORTH-SOUTH ROADS
08/27/09 18:30:06 IN WEST TAMPA.
08/27/09 18:30:09 AS YOU CAN SEE THE
08/27/09 18:30:10 PRODOMINANTLY LAND USE CATEGORY
08/27/09 18:30:13 ALONG THIS PARTICULAR SEGMENT
08/27/09 18:30:13 OF HOWARD AVENUE IS CMU35.
08/27/09 18:30:17 AS YOU GET UP TO COLUMBUS DRIVE
08/27/09 18:30:20 WHICH
08/27/09 18:30:23 IS ANOTHER
08/27/09 18:30:23 EAST-WEST
08/27/09 18:30:24 ARTERIAL ROAD THE
08/27/09 18:30:24 INTENSIFICATION.
08/27/09 18:30:25 THEN YOU HAVE RESIDENTIAL 20
08/27/09 18:30:28 OFF OF THE STREET OFF OF HOWARD
08/27/09 18:30:28 AVENUE.
08/27/09 18:30:29 THIS IS ARMENIA.
08/27/09 18:30:32 OF COURSE YOU CAN SEE HEAVIER
08/27/09 18:30:33 CLASSIFICATION OVER HERE WHICH
08/27/09 18:30:36 WOULD BE COMMERCIAL 35.
08/27/09 18:30:38 THE REQUEST IS FOR LOW DENSITY
08/27/09 18:30:39 TYPE OF OFFICE.
08/27/09 18:30:41 I THINK YOU CAN SEE EXHIBITED
08/27/09 18:30:42 BY THE PHOTOGRAPH.
08/27/09 18:30:45 THE APPLICANT HAS DONE A
08/27/09 18:30:47 NICE
08/27/09 18:30:48 JOB OF REHABBING THE PARTICULAR
08/27/09 18:30:49 STRUCTURE MAKING IT CONFORM
08/27/09 18:30:50 NICELY WITH THE OTHER
08/27/09 18:30:52 RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES IN THE
08/27/09 18:30:53 NEIGHBORHOOD KEEPING IN IT
08/27/09 18:30:54 CHARACTER.
08/27/09 18:30:57 GOING TO BE
08/27/09 18:30:57 NONRESIDENTIAL USE
08/27/09 18:31:00 BASED ON PROXIMITY TO THE
08/27/09 18:31:00 ARTERIAL STREET.
08/27/09 18:31:01 ALSO ALLUDED TO THE
08/27/09 18:31:02 FUNCTIONALITY OF THE SITE WHICH
08/27/09 18:31:03 I THINK IS GOING TO BE PRETTY
08/27/09 18:31:03 GOOD.
08/27/09 18:31:06 AS YOU CAN SEE
08/27/09 18:31:07 ON THIS AERIAL
08/27/09 18:31:08 OVER HERE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE
08/27/09 18:31:10 THE PARKING IN THE REAR AND OF
08/27/09 18:31:12 COURSE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THE
08/27/09 18:31:13 ACCESSIBILITY FOR THE HANDICAP
08/27/09 18:31:15 SPOT IN THE FRONT.
08/27/09 18:31:16 I THINK THE ONLY THING I WANT
08/27/09 18:31:19 TO SAY IN CLOSING
08/27/09 18:31:20 JUST A COUPLE
08/27/09 18:31:21 THINGS REMIND OF THE RESTAURANT
08/27/09 18:31:24 OVER HERE AND OF COURSE HO HO'S
08/27/09 18:31:27 CHINESE
08/27/09 18:31:30 TAKE OUT IS
08/27/09 18:31:32 OVER HERE.
08/27/09 18:31:32 [ OVERLAPPING SPEAKERS ]
08/27/09 18:31:32 >> MR. GARCIA.
08/27/09 18:31:34 >> I KNOW YOU'RE GOING TO ASK
08/27/09 18:31:35 ME A QUESTION.
08/27/09 18:31:37 >> I'M NOT GOING TO ASK A
08/27/09 18:31:38 QUESTION.
08/27/09 18:31:39 I'M GOING TO MAKE A STATEMENT
08/27/09 18:31:41 SINCE YOU'RE GOING AROUND WITH
08/27/09 18:31:43 NEIGHBORHOOD WITH HISTORICAL
08/27/09 18:31:45 SITES AND SO FORTH.
08/27/09 18:31:48 ST. LOUIS AND THEN YOU
08/27/09 18:31:48 COME TO
08/27/09 18:31:50 St. JOSEPH, RIGHT BEHIND St.
08/27/09 18:31:52 JOSEPH IN THE COURTHOUSE RIGHT
08/27/09 18:31:55 THERE ON THE CORNER WAS A
08/27/09 18:31:56 FAMILY RESIDENCE BUT THERE'S A
08/27/09 18:31:57 LITTLE BUSINESS IN THERE THAT
08/27/09 18:32:00 USED TO BE A LITTLE PRINT SHOP
08/27/09 18:32:00 OR SOMETHING WASN'T THERE?
08/27/09 18:32:02 >> I DON'T REMEMBER.
08/27/09 18:32:04 >> I FORGET THE NAME OF IT.
08/27/09 18:32:05 I KNOW IT'S THERE.
08/27/09 18:32:07 >> I DON'T REMEMBER THAT.
08/27/09 18:32:09 I DO KNOW WHERE THAT HOUSE IS
08/27/09 18:32:09 THOUGH.
08/27/09 18:32:13 >> RIGHT NEXT TO IS IT
08/27/09 18:32:13 WHAT I'M
08/27/09 18:32:14 TALKING ABOUT.
08/27/09 18:32:15 [ LAUGHTER ]
08/27/09 18:32:18 >> SMALL BUILDING USED TO
08/27/09 18:32:21 GET
08/27/09 18:32:24 YOUR
08/27/09 18:32:25 BUSINESS CARDS MADE.
08/27/09 18:32:26 ALL RIGHT.
08/27/09 18:32:27 THANK YOU.
08/27/09 18:32:30 [ INDISCERNIBLE
08/27/09 18:32:32 ]
08/27/09 18:32:32 >> ANY QUESTIONS?
08/27/09 18:32:33 THANK YOU.
08/27/09 18:32:36 PETITIONER
08/27/09 18:32:38 .
08/27/09 18:32:40 >> FRANCISCO OTERO-COSSIO.
08/27/09 18:32:42 I WANT TO START BY SAYING I'VE
08/27/09 18:32:45 MADE THE MISTAKE IN THE PAST BY
08/27/09 18:32:46 NEVER CONSULTING WITH THE
08/27/09 18:32:47 PRESIDENT OF THE ASSOCIATION OF
08/27/09 18:32:47 THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
08/27/09 18:32:50 I JUST WANTED TO SAY I HAD THE
08/27/09 18:32:50 PLEASURE OF MEETING HER.
08/27/09 18:32:52 I HAVE BEEN DOING THIS OFF AND
08/27/09 18:32:55 ON FOR TEN
08/27/09 18:32:56 YEARS.
08/27/09 18:32:59 AND SHE IS THE MOST RESPECTIVE
08/27/09 18:32:59 PERSON.
08/27/09 18:33:00 SHE KNOWS EVERY STREET, CORNER
08/27/09 18:33:01 IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
08/27/09 18:33:02 I WAS VERY IMPRESSED WITH HER.
08/27/09 18:33:05 SHE HAS BIG PLANS FOR THE
08/27/09 18:33:05 FUTURE.
08/27/09 18:33:08 AND SUBMIT FOR THE
08/27/09 18:33:09 RECORD I
08/27/09 18:33:10 HAVE SUPPORT LETTERS AND DUALLY
08/27/09 18:33:13 NOTE THERE HAD IS A CIGAR
08/27/09 18:33:13 SHOP
08/27/09 18:33:14 CONVERTED TO OFFICE
08/27/09 18:33:15 PROFESSIONAL OFFICE SPACE RIGHT
08/27/09 18:33:16 IN FRONT OF US.
08/27/09 18:33:18 RIGHT BEHIND US IS A
08/27/09 18:33:18 BARBERSHOP.
08/27/09 18:33:21 THE ONLY RESIDENT ADJACENT TO
08/27/09 18:33:24 US WE HAVE THE
08/27/09 18:33:25 SUPPORT LETTER.
08/27/09 18:33:27 AND ALSO HAVE ONE MORE LETTER
08/27/09 18:33:30 FROM GARCIA OF
08/27/09 18:33:33 A
08/27/09 18:33:36 BUSINESS DOWN
08/27/09 18:33:39 THE STREET.
08/27/09 18:33:48 I DO HAVE PICTURES SHOWING THE
08/27/09 18:33:50 CIGAR SHOPS FRONT OF THE
08/27/09 18:33:50 PROPERTY.
08/27/09 18:33:53 AND THAT'S DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF
08/27/09 18:33:53 US.
08/27/09 18:33:56 AND LIKE I SAID THEY HAVE BEEN
08/27/09 18:33:57 CONVERTED TO SMALL OFFICE
08/27/09 18:33:58 SPACES.
08/27/09 18:34:01 THIS IS A VIEW DOWN THE
08/27/09 18:34:04 STREET
08/27/09 18:34:04 SOUTH TO COLUMBUS.
08/27/09 18:34:07 YOU CAN SEE BLOCK
08/27/09 18:34:10 THERE'S MORE
08/27/09 18:34:12 COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS.
08/27/09 18:34:13 ANOTHER STREET VIEW HERE'S
08/27/09 18:34:13 ANOTHER PICTURE RIGHT DIRECTLY
08/27/09 18:34:15 IN FRONT OF US IS THE ACTUAL
08/27/09 18:34:16 CIGAR SHOP.
08/27/09 18:34:18 WHICH I THINK IT HAS BEEN SOLD.
08/27/09 18:34:21 THEY ARE LEASING UNIT AS
08/27/09 18:34:24 OFFICE
08/27/09 18:34:24 SPACE.
08/27/09 18:34:27 AND AS
08/27/09 18:34:30 YOU
08/27/09 18:34:33 CAN SEE NEXT
08/27/09 18:34:36 PICTURE
08/27/09 18:34:37 BASICALLY ONE OF THEIR
08/27/09 18:34:38 RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE
08/27/09 18:34:41 PLANNING COMMISSION IS IF I CAN
08/27/09 18:34:43 READ IT HERE IS BASICALLY THEY
08/27/09 18:34:45 WANT TO SEE THE PROPERTY BEING
08/27/09 18:34:46 CONSISTENT WITH THE ACTUAL
08/27/09 18:34:46 NEIGHBORHOOD.
08/27/09 18:34:48 SO WE DIDN'T WANT TO PUT A
08/27/09 18:34:49 COMMERCIAL BUILDING THERE.
08/27/09 18:34:50 SEEMS LIKE A WHITE ELEPHANT AND
08/27/09 18:34:51 MAKES THE REST OF THE
08/27/09 18:34:52 PROPERTIES --WHICH AS YOU CAN
08/27/09 18:34:56 SEE IN MY OPINION IT'S A VERY
08/27/09 18:34:56 NICE BUILDING.
08/27/09 18:34:59 I DO KIND OF WANT TO COME UP
08/27/09 18:35:02 HERE AND USE
08/27/09 18:35:05 THIS IF
08/27/09 18:35:08 YOU
08/27/09 18:35:11 WANT
08/27/09 18:35:12 TO SAY SOMETHING.
08/27/09 18:35:15 >> I JUST HAD --IT
08/27/09 18:35:15 LOOKS
08/27/09 18:35:15 GREAT.
08/27/09 18:35:16 MY ONLY QUESTION WAS I WONDERED
08/27/09 18:35:17 WHAT IT WAS GOING TO BE AND
08/27/09 18:35:19 WHERE THE SIGNS WERE GOING TO
08/27/09 18:35:21 BE BECAUSE THE SITE PLAN
08/27/09 18:35:21 DOESN'T INDICATE.
08/27/09 18:35:23 >> THAT RIGHT NOW IS BASICALLY
08/27/09 18:35:24 WE HAVEN'T DECIDED YET.
08/27/09 18:35:25 THAT WOULD BE A BETTER QUESTION
08/27/09 18:35:27 FOR THE PROPERTY OWNER TO
08/27/09 18:35:27 ANSWER.
08/27/09 18:35:30 RIGHT NOW WE WANT TO USE IT
08/27/09 18:35:33 AS
08/27/09 18:35:36 IT WILL BE
08/27/09 18:35:36 PROFESSIONAL OFFICE.
08/27/09 18:35:38 WE DON'T HAVE SOMETHING THAT --
08/27/09 18:35:40 THIS IS WHAT WE WANT AND WE
08/27/09 18:35:43 WANT TO
08/27/09 18:35:46 FIGHT FOR IT.
08/27/09 18:35:46 >> OKAY.
08/27/09 18:35:47 >> GOOD EVENING.
08/27/09 18:35:47 COUNCIL MEMBER.
08/27/09 18:35:48 I AM PRESIDENT OF THE
08/27/09 18:35:49 NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND
08/27/09 18:35:52 COORDINATOR OF OUR CRIME WATCH
08/27/09 18:35:55 UNIT THERE I WOULD LIKE TO
08/27/09 18:35:56 QUICKLY SPEAK ABOUT I'VE BEEN
08/27/09 18:35:57 ON THIS PROPERTY AND I GOT OUT
08/27/09 18:36:00 IN THE STORM AND WALKED THE
08/27/09 18:36:01 PROPERTY AND COMMUNITY.
08/27/09 18:36:04 WE HAVE A LOT OF NEW
08/27/09 18:36:05 NUISANCE
08/27/09 18:36:06 PROPERTIES IN WEST TAMPA.
08/27/09 18:36:09 THE BOUNDARIES ARE COLUMBUS
08/27/09 18:36:11 DRIVE NORTH TO GREEN STREET
08/27/09 18:36:13 SOUTH ARMENIA AVENUE WEST TO
08/27/09 18:36:13 ROME AVENUE EAST.
08/27/09 18:36:17 THAT IS THE OLD WEST
08/27/09 18:36:17 TAMPA.
08/27/09 18:36:19 NOT ALL OF WEST TAMPA.
08/27/09 18:36:20 BUT THEIR PROPERTIES,
08/27/09 18:36:21 BUSINESSES THAT ARE NUISANCE
08/27/09 18:36:24 BUSINESSES LIKE CAR WASHES THAT
08/27/09 18:36:26 SHOULDN'T BE THERE THAT ARE
08/27/09 18:36:26 HAPHAZARD.
08/27/09 18:36:28 THIS PROPERTY IS A BEAUTIFUL
08/27/09 18:36:29 PIECE OF PROPERTY.
08/27/09 18:36:31 AND IT IS INDEED AN ASSET TO
08/27/09 18:36:31 OUR COMMUNITY.
08/27/09 18:36:33 THIS IS THE TYPE OF GROWTH THAT
08/27/09 18:36:33 WE NEED.
08/27/09 18:36:36 THIS IS THE TYPE OF CHANGE THAT
08/27/09 18:36:38 WE NEED IN WEST TAMPA.
08/27/09 18:36:40 IT WOULD BE WONDERFUL IF WE
08/27/09 18:36:42 COULD GET SIDEWALKS ON ALL OUR
08/27/09 18:36:43 STREETS.
08/27/09 18:36:46 AND NOT JUST THIS SMALL PIECE
08/27/09 18:36:46 OF PROPERTY.
08/27/09 18:36:49 BUT INDEED WE SUPPORT
08/27/09 18:36:51 THE
08/27/09 18:36:53 ASSOCIATION AND MEMBERS SUPPORT
08/27/09 18:36:53 THIS PETITION.
08/27/09 18:36:54 WE SUPPORT THIS REZONING OF
08/27/09 18:36:55 THIS PROPERTY.
08/27/09 18:36:56 THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO
08/27/09 18:36:59 SPEAK THIS
08/27/09 18:37:00 EVENING.
08/27/09 18:37:03 >>
08/27/09 18:37:06 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
08/27/09 18:37:11 >> ANYONE IN OPPOSITION.
08/27/09 18:37:12 >> THANK YOU.
08/27/09 18:37:15 >> ALL IN
08/27/09 18:37:17 FAVOR SAY I.
08/27/09 18:37:18 >> I.
08/27/09 18:37:19 >> WAIVERS THAT REQUIRE.
08/27/09 18:37:22 >> I JUST PASSED OUT A REVISION
08/27/09 18:37:22 SHEET TO YOU.
08/27/09 18:37:25 I FORGOT TO PUT ONE ITEM ON
08/27/09 18:37:25 THERE AND THAT'S HANDWRITTEN
08/27/09 18:37:27 AND THAT'S FOR THEM TO SHOW THE
08/27/09 18:37:29 SIDEWALK ALONG ST. LOUIS.
08/27/09 18:37:30 IT'S A FIVE FOOT SIDEWALK AND
08/27/09 18:37:31 IT NEEDS TO BE SHOWN ON THE
08/27/09 18:37:33 SITE PLAN WHEN THEY MAKE THE
08/27/09 18:37:35 ADDITIONAL REVISIONS BETWEEN
08/27/09 18:37:36 FIRST AND SECOND READING.
08/27/09 18:37:38 THANK YOU.
08/27/09 18:37:40 >> BEFORE I READ DOES
08/27/09 18:37:42 PETITIONER HAVE A SHEET?
08/27/09 18:37:42 SEEN THE SHEET?
08/27/09 18:37:42 >> YES.
08/27/09 18:37:44 >> ARE YOU IN AGREEMENT WITH
08/27/09 18:37:45 THE REVISIONS?
08/27/09 18:37:47 >> YES, I AM.
08/27/09 18:37:49 >> OKAY.
08/27/09 18:37:49 THANK YOU.
08/27/09 18:37:51 CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL,
08/27/09 18:37:53 ORDER FOR FIRST READING
08/27/09 18:37:54 REZONING PROPERTY GENERAL
08/27/09 18:37:54 VICINITY OF 2302W.
08/27/09 18:37:57 ST. LOUIS STREET IN THE CITY
08/27/09 18:37:58 OF
08/27/09 18:37:59 TAMPA, FLORIDA.
08/27/09 18:38:02 MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED
08/27/09 18:38:02 IN
08/27/09 18:38:05 SECTIONS ONE ZONING AS TO PD
08/27/09 18:38:07 PLAN DEVELOPMENT BUSINESS
08/27/09 18:38:07 PROFESSIONAL OFFICE PROVIDING
08/27/09 18:38:10 AN EFFECTIVE DATE ALONG WITH
08/27/09 18:38:13 THE SAID REVISIONS OF Z0-29
08/27/09 18:38:15 OF
08/27/09 18:38:17 THE REVISION SHEET DATED AUGUST
08/27/09 18:38:20 27, 2009 AND THE PETITIONER HAS
08/27/09 18:38:22 AGREED TO THE REVISIONS.
08/27/09 18:38:25 AND I BELIEVE MISS WHITE SPOKE
08/27/09 18:38:25 THE FACTS.
08/27/09 18:38:27 THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT WEST TAMPA
08/27/09 18:38:27 NEEDS.
08/27/09 18:38:30 IT DOESN'T NEED ANYMORE CAR
08/27/09 18:38:31 LOT
08/27/09 18:38:32 SALES, CAR WASHES, IT NEEDS
08/27/09 18:38:35 PROFESSIONAL IN THE AREAS OF
08/27/09 18:38:38 THESE CORRIDORS OF
08/27/09 18:38:40 HEAVY
08/27/09 18:38:40 TRAFFIC.
08/27/09 18:38:43 >> MOVED AND
08/27/09 18:38:43 SECONDED.
08/27/09 18:38:46 MOVED BY COUNCILMAN DEAN ALL
08/27/09 18:38:47 IN
08/27/09 18:38:47 FAVOR I.
08/27/09 18:38:48 >> I.
08/27/09 18:38:48 >> OPPOSEs.
08/27/09 18:38:49 >> SECOND READING AND ADOPTION
08/27/09 18:38:52 WILL BE ON SEPTEMBER
08/27/09 18:38:55 17 AT
08/27/09 18:38:58 9:30
08/27/09 18:39:03 A.M.
08/27/09 18:39:03 THANK YOU.
08/27/09 18:39:06 >> ITEM THREE.
08/27/09 18:39:27 >>> LAND DEVELOPMENT
08/27/09 18:39:28 COORDINATION.
08/27/09 18:39:29 I HAVE BEEN SWORN.
08/27/09 18:39:32 THIRD CASE
08/27/09 18:39:35 BEFORE YOU
08/27/09 18:39:35 THIS
08/27/09 18:39:35 MORNING.
08/27/09 18:39:35 Z09-26.
08/27/09 18:39:36 LOCATED 7206N.
08/27/09 18:39:36 ARMENIA AVENUE.
08/27/09 18:39:38 IN ADDITION TO THE STANDARD
08/27/09 18:39:39 PACKAGE I GAVE YOU I ALSO GAVE
08/27/09 18:39:42 YOU A LETTER RECEIVED BY LAND
08/27/09 18:39:43 DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION ON
08/27/09 18:39:46 AUGUST 17 IN RELATION
08/27/09 18:39:48 TO THIS
08/27/09 18:39:50 PETITION FOR YOUR REVIEW
08/27/09 18:39:53 PETITION BEFORE YOU
08/27/09 18:39:53 IS
08/27/09 18:39:55 REQUESTING REZONING FROM CG
08/27/09 18:39:57 GENERAL RESIDENTIAL SINGLE
08/27/09 18:40:00 FAMILY TO PD PLAN DEVELOPMENT.
08/27/09 18:40:00 THERE ARE THREE WAIVERS.
08/27/09 18:40:02 WAIVER TO REDUCE THE REQUIRED
08/27/09 18:40:05 BUFFER ON THE WEST FROM 1'5"
08/27/09 18:40:06 TO
08/27/09 18:40:09 1'0" WITH THE RETENTION OF
08/27/09 18:40:12 EXISTING FOUR FOOT
08/27/09 18:40:13 FENCE IN
08/27/09 18:40:16 LIEU OF A MASONRY WALL ON THE
08/27/09 18:40:16 LINE.
08/27/09 18:40:17 SECOND REDUCE THE BUFFER WAIVER
08/27/09 18:40:20 TO REDUCE FROM 15 FEET TO
08/27/09 18:40:21 8
08/27/09 18:40:24 FEET WITH THE RETENTION OF
08/27/09 18:40:25 THE
08/27/09 18:40:26 EXISTING FENCE AND FOUR FOOT
08/27/09 18:40:27 CHAIN LINK FENCE.
08/27/09 18:40:29 AND THE LAST IS TO ALLOW FOR
08/27/09 18:40:31 INCREASE IN PERCENTAGE OF
08/27/09 18:40:33 COMPACT PARKING SPACES FROM 65%
08/27/09 18:40:34 TO 71%.
08/27/09 18:40:36 AND THIS WAIVER WOULD NEED TO
08/27/09 18:40:39 BE ADDED IN BETWEEN FIRST
08/27/09 18:40:40 AND
08/27/09 18:40:40 SECOND READING.
08/27/09 18:40:43 PROPERTY LOCATED AT 7206N.
08/27/09 18:40:46 ARMENIA IS REQUESTING REZONING
08/27/09 18:40:49 FROM R60CG TO MODIFY AN
08/27/09 18:40:50 EXISTING MEDICAL CLINIC.
08/27/09 18:40:52 THE EXISTING BUILDING IS 1442
08/27/09 18:40:55 SQUARE FEET AND THE PROPOSED
08/27/09 18:40:58 ADDITION IS 1595 FOR
08/27/09 18:40:59 TOTAL
08/27/09 18:41:02 BUILDING AREA OF 3, 037 SQUARE
08/27/09 18:41:02 FEET.
08/27/09 18:41:03 ORIENTED EAST-WEST WITH
08/27/09 18:41:04 FRONTAGE ON NORTH ARMENIA
08/27/09 18:41:05 AVENUE.
08/27/09 18:41:08 SET BACKS FOR THE
08/27/09 18:41:08 PROPOSED
08/27/09 18:41:10 BUILDINGS ARE AS FOLLOWS.
08/27/09 18:41:12 EAST 54 PREPONDERATE 9 FEET.
08/27/09 18:41:15 WEST 152 FEET NORTH 21 FEET AND
08/27/09 18:41:15 SOUTH 23 FEET.
08/27/09 18:41:17 THE SITE IS BORDERED BY
08/27/09 18:41:19 COMMERCIAL ZONING TO THE NORTH
08/27/09 18:41:20 AND SOUTH AND RESIDENTIAL
08/27/09 18:41:22 ZONING DISTRICT TO THE WEST.
08/27/09 18:41:23 SURROUNDING USES INCLUDE SINGLE
08/27/09 18:41:25 FAMILY RESIDENTIAL TO THE SOUTH
08/27/09 18:41:27 AND WEST AND COMMERCIAL USES TO
08/27/09 18:41:28 THE NORTH.
08/27/09 18:41:30 MAXIMUM BUILDING HEIGHT IS 15
08/27/09 18:41:30 FEET.
08/27/09 18:41:33 VEHICULAR ACCESS IS LOCATED ON
08/27/09 18:41:33 NORTH ARMENIA.
08/27/09 18:41:35 TOTAL OF 21 SPACES ARE REQUIRED
08/27/09 18:41:38 AND 24 SPACES ARE BEING
08/27/09 18:41:38 PROVIDED.
08/27/09 18:41:41 15 ARE COMPACT WHICH IS 71%.
08/27/09 18:41:42 THE WAIVER IS BEING REQUESTED.
08/27/09 18:41:43 THERE WERE A FEW CORRECTIONS
08/27/09 18:41:46 THAT I'LL GO THROUGH AFTER I
08/27/09 18:41:49 GIVE YOU A
08/27/09 18:41:51 LITTLE PRESENTATION
08/27/09 18:41:51 ON LOCATION.
08/27/09 18:41:54 YOU CAN SEE HERE THIS
08/27/09 18:41:56 IS THE
08/27/09 18:41:58 ARMENIA AVENUE CORRIDOR GOING
08/27/09 18:41:58 THROUGH.
08/27/09 18:42:00 YOU'LL SEE PRODOMINANTLY
08/27/09 18:42:03 COMMERCIAL GENERAL THROUGH THIS
08/27/09 18:42:04 WHOLE CORRIDOR.
08/27/09 18:42:07 YOU'LL SEE HOW IT KIND OF BACK
08/27/09 18:42:09 INTO THE RESIDENTIAL SECTION.
08/27/09 18:42:12 RS50 AND RS60
08/27/09 18:42:15 ON
08/27/09 18:42:18 THE SIDES OF
08/27/09 18:42:18 THAT.
08/27/09 18:42:19 YOU CAN SEE THE SITE.
08/27/09 18:42:20 CAN'T SEE TOO MUCH BECAUSE
08/27/09 18:42:22 THERE ARE A LOT OF TREES ON
08/27/09 18:42:23 THIS SITE.
08/27/09 18:42:24 IN FACT THREE GRAND TREES
08/27/09 18:42:25 LOCATED ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF
08/27/09 18:42:28 THE PROPERTY WHICH IS ONE OF
08/27/09 18:42:31 THE REASONS FOR THAT BUFFER
08/27/09 18:42:31 WAIVER.
08/27/09 18:42:33 IF WE PUT A MASONRY WALL IT
08/27/09 18:42:36 WOULD OBLITERATE THOSE ROOT
08/27/09 18:42:37 SYSTEMS OF THOSE TREES.
08/27/09 18:42:40 SO STAFF WAS SUPPORTING
08/27/09 18:42:42 OF THAT
08/27/09 18:42:45 FOR THAT REASON.
08/27/09 18:42:45 SHOW YOU SOME PICTURES.
08/27/09 18:42:47 THINK WHAT YOU CAN SEE ON THE
08/27/09 18:42:48 SITE PLAN WHILE YOU'RE LOOKING
08/27/09 18:42:49 ALSO IS RIGHT NOW AND WHAT YOU
08/27/09 18:42:50 CAN SEE IN THESE PICTURES ALL
08/27/09 18:42:53 OF THE PARKING
08/27/09 18:42:54 FOR THIS SITE IS
08/27/09 18:42:56 SOLELY ON THE FRONT OF THE
08/27/09 18:42:56 SITE.
08/27/09 18:42:59 WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED IS GOING
08/27/09 18:43:01 TO INTRODUCE PARKING AT THE
08/27/09 18:43:04 REAR OF THE SITE WHICH
08/27/09 18:43:06 WILL
08/27/09 18:43:07 ALLOW FOR ADDITIONAL PARKING.
08/27/09 18:43:08 THEY'RE A LITTLE LARGER.
08/27/09 18:43:11 THIS
08/27/09 18:43:14 IS
08/27/09 18:43:17 WEST OF THE SITE.
08/27/09 18:43:20 ALSO
08/27/09 18:43:23 ACROSS THE STREET ON
08/27/09 18:43:25 ARMENIA.
08/27/09 18:43:28 CLOSE UPSHOT OF THE SUBJECT.
08/27/09 18:43:31 VIEW
08/27/09 18:43:34 LOOKING SOUTH ON ARMENIA.
08/27/09 18:43:36 AND I THINK I SHOWED THAT OFF
08/27/09 18:43:36 OF THE SITE.
08/27/09 18:43:39 THIS IS
08/27/09 18:43:42 THE
08/27/09 18:43:46 SUBJECT PROPERTY
08/27/09 18:43:48 LOOKING EAST.
08/27/09 18:43:49 THIS IS LOOKING NORTHWEST FROM
08/27/09 18:43:51 THE ENTRY FROM WHERE IT IS NOW.
08/27/09 18:43:52 WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN YOU'RE
08/27/09 18:43:53 GOING TO COME IN THIS SITE NOW
08/27/09 18:43:56 AND CIRCLE BACK AROUND
08/27/09 18:43:57 TO
08/27/09 18:43:57 ADDITIONAL PARKING BEING
08/27/09 18:43:58 PROVIDED.
08/27/09 18:44:01 >> WE NEEDED A FEW
08/27/09 18:44:02 CORRECTIONS
08/27/09 18:44:03 ON THIS PETITION.
08/27/09 18:44:04 THE SETBACKS, NORTH SETBACK AND
08/27/09 18:44:07 THE SOUTH SETBACK NEED
08/27/09 18:44:09 TO BE
08/27/09 18:44:09 CORRECTED.
08/27/09 18:44:10 STAFF HAD SOME CONCERNS RELATED
08/27/09 18:44:11 TO THE PROTECTION OF THE TREES
08/27/09 18:44:12 ON THE SOUTH.
08/27/09 18:44:15 LET ME PULL OUT A SITE PLAN AND
08/27/09 18:44:16 TALK ABOUT THAT REAL QUICK.
08/27/09 18:44:17 WHAT WE'RE ASKING IS THAT A
08/27/09 18:44:20 NOTE BED AD THAT AT THE TIME OF
08/27/09 18:44:22 PERMITTING THIS WOULD COME BACK
08/27/09 18:44:25 FOR STAFF
08/27/09 18:44:31 TO TAKE A LOOK .
08/27/09 18:44:34 THIS
08/27/09 18:44:37 RIGHT HERE IS A RETENTION
08/27/09 18:44:38 POND.
08/27/09 18:44:41 AS YOU CAN SEE IT'S LOCATE THE
08/27/09 18:44:43 IN VERY CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THE
08/27/09 18:44:44 32-INCH AND THE 35-INCH DOWN
08/27/09 18:44:45 HERE.
08/27/09 18:44:46 AND THEN WE CAN LOOK BACK AT
08/27/09 18:44:49 THOSE --ALL THOSE TREES
08/27/09 18:44:50 ALONG
08/27/09 18:44:51 THE SOUTH.
08/27/09 18:44:53 THERE HAS BEEN SOME DISCUSSION
08/27/09 18:44:54 OF POTENTIAL EXPANSION OF THIS.
08/27/09 18:44:55 WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR IS JUST A
08/27/09 18:44:56 LITTLE BIT OF PROTECTION BY
08/27/09 18:44:58 PUTTING A NOTE ON THERE THAT
08/27/09 18:45:00 WHEN THIS COMES BACK AND FINAL
08/27/09 18:45:01 ENGINEERING IS DONE FOR
08/27/09 18:45:03 WHATEVER EXPANSIONINGS MIGHT BE
08/27/09 18:45:04 NECESSARY DUE TO ADDITIONAL
08/27/09 18:45:06 STORM WATER THAT WE CAN TAKE A
08/27/09 18:45:08 LOOK AND MAKE SURE THAT THIS
08/27/09 18:45:10 TOP OF THE BANK IS PROTECTING
08/27/09 18:45:13 THE RADIUS HERE AND HERE AND
08/27/09 18:45:14 OF
08/27/09 18:45:14 THESE TREES HERE.
08/27/09 18:45:16 MARY'S HERE TO SPEAK TO THE
08/27/09 18:45:19 FURTHER IF
08/27/09 18:45:22 THAT
08/27/09 18:45:22 BECOMES AN
08/27/09 18:45:23 ISSUE.
08/27/09 18:45:24 WE MADE A CORRECTION TO THE
08/27/09 18:45:27 TREE TABLE AND ALSO ADDITIONAL
08/27/09 18:45:29 DIMENSIONS PLACED ON THERE.
08/27/09 18:45:32 CORRECTION TO
08/27/09 18:45:34 THE PARKING
08/27/09 18:45:35 CALCULATIONS FROM
08/27/09 18:45:37 TRANSPORTATION FROM STORM WATER
08/27/09 18:45:37 OVERLOOKED DURING THIS REVIEW.
08/27/09 18:45:41 STAFF
08/27/09 18:45:44 IS
08/27/09 18:45:47 AVAILABLE FOR
08/27/09 18:45:49 ANY
08/27/09 18:45:50 QUESTIONS.
08/27/09 18:45:53 >> WE HAVE A LETTER FROM
08/27/09 18:45:54 ATTORNEY FROM AM POLICE,
08/27/09 18:45:55 SOUTHERN PROPERTY LINE.
08/27/09 18:45:58 CAN YOU PUT UP THAT PICTURE OF
08/27/09 18:46:01 HOW THE --HER PROPERTY
08/27/09 18:46:01 RELATES
08/27/09 18:46:03 TO THIS.
08/27/09 18:46:06 SHE'S
08/27/09 18:46:09 AT 2501 WEST HAMILTON.
08/27/09 18:46:12 >>
08/27/09 18:46:15 HERE ARE
08/27/09 18:46:18 THE
08/27/09 18:46:21 THREE
08/27/09 18:46:22 OFF OF
08/27/09 18:46:22 HAMILTON.
08/27/09 18:46:23 >> OKAY.
08/27/09 18:46:24 AND YOU HAVE INDIVIDUAL
08/27/09 18:46:24 PICTURES OF THAT?
08/27/09 18:46:27 >> I
08/27/09 18:46:30 DON'T
08/27/09 18:46:32 BELIEVE THAT I DO.
08/27/09 18:46:33 THIS IS A SIDE VIEW.
08/27/09 18:46:36 THAT BOTTOM
08/27/09 18:46:39 ONE
08/27/09 18:46:45 IS A SIDE VIEW.
08/27/09 18:47:02 2501.
08/27/09 18:47:05 >> BUTTING UP TO THE PROPOSED
08/27/09 18:47:05 --
08/27/09 18:47:05 >> RIGHT.
08/27/09 18:47:07 THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SEEING.
08/27/09 18:47:10 LET ME SEE IF I CAN ZOOM IN A
08/27/09 18:47:11 LITTLE FOR YOU HERE.
08/27/09 18:47:14 >>
08/27/09 18:47:16 LIFT IT UP A LITTLE.
08/27/09 18:47:19 THAT IS THE
08/27/09 18:47:21 REAR OF THAT
08/27/09 18:47:21 PROPERTY.
08/27/09 18:47:23 THIS IS A SIDE VIEW LOOKING
08/27/09 18:47:24 FROM OUR MEAN YA.
08/27/09 18:47:26 IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL IF I BRING
08/27/09 18:47:28 IT UP TO YOU SO YOU CAN LOOK A
08/27/09 18:47:29 LITTLE BIT.
08/27/09 18:47:32 IT'S A LITTLE HARD ON THE ILL
08/27/09 18:47:33 NO.
08/27/09 18:47:35 >> THE REQUIRED ZONING REQUIRES
08/27/09 18:47:35 THE WALL.
08/27/09 18:47:36 >> YES.
08/27/09 18:47:39 >> AND THEY'RE LOOKING
08/27/09 18:47:40 TO WAIVE
08/27/09 18:47:40 THAT.
08/27/09 18:47:41 >> YES.
08/27/09 18:47:43 >> AND WE'LL HEAR FROM THE
08/27/09 18:47:46 PETITIONER ON THE JUSTIFICATION
08/27/09 18:47:47 OF THE WAIVER.
08/27/09 18:47:49 IS THIS IN EXISTING USE RIGHT
08/27/09 18:47:51 NOW ON THE MEDICAL AND IT
08/27/09 18:47:54 WASN'T CITY --THEY
08/27/09 18:47:55 GET CITED
08/27/09 18:47:56 OR SOMETHING?
08/27/09 18:47:57 >> I AM NOT SURE.
08/27/09 18:48:00 I AM NOT AWARE IF THEY HAVE
08/27/09 18:48:01 BEEN CITED.
08/27/09 18:48:04 THE EXPANSION
08/27/09 18:48:04 I BELIEVE
08/27/09 18:48:05 TRIGGERED THEM TO --THEY
08/27/09 18:48:08 COULDN'T MEET THE CG ZONING
08/27/09 18:48:09 DISTRICT.
08/27/09 18:48:10 AND THE BACK IS RS-60.
08/27/09 18:48:12 SO IN ORDER TO MAKE THE TWO
08/27/09 18:48:14 PIECES FUNCTION TOGETHER IT
08/27/09 18:48:14 CAME IN AS PD.
08/27/09 18:48:17 THERE ARE 19 TREES
08/27/09 18:48:19 ALONG THAT
08/27/09 18:48:20 SOUTH BORDER INCLUDING THREE
08/27/09 18:48:20 GRAND.
08/27/09 18:48:22 SO THAT WAS PART OF STAFF'S
08/27/09 18:48:23 SUPPORT FOR THE BUFFER WAIVER
08/27/09 18:48:24 TO NOT PUT THE MASONRY WALL
08/27/09 18:48:25 THERE BECAUSE IT COULDN'T SIT
08/27/09 18:48:28 ON TOP
08/27/09 18:48:30 OF THOSE ROOT SYSTEMS.
08/27/09 18:48:31 >> SOMETIMES WE STRADDLE THEM
08/27/09 18:48:34 WITH --
08/27/09 18:48:36 MAYBE WE'LL HEAR ABOUT
08/27/09 18:48:39 THAT.
08/27/09 18:48:41 >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
08/27/09 18:48:44 PLANNING COMMISSION.
08/27/09 18:48:47 >> I DON'T KNOW IF YOU
08/27/09 18:48:48 HAD A
08/27/09 18:48:49 QUESTION FOR LANDSCAPING.
08/27/09 18:48:52 >> TONY GARCIA PLANNING
08/27/09 18:48:55 COMMISSION
08/27/09 18:48:57 STAFF.
08/27/09 18:48:58 I HAVE BEEN SWORN.
08/27/09 18:49:00 THIS SITE IS LOCATED IN THE
08/27/09 18:49:02 NORTHERN PART OF I GUESS WE
08/27/09 18:49:05 CALL OLD CITY TAMPA PROPERTY.
08/27/09 18:49:06 NOT ANY OF THAT ANNEX AREA THAT
08/27/09 18:49:10 WE'VE HAD IN THE LAST EIGHT
08/27/09 18:49:11 YEARS.
08/27/09 18:49:13 NORTHEAST OF OUR CITY NORTH OF
08/27/09 18:49:14 IN THAT NORTHERN SECTION.
08/27/09 18:49:16 THIS BASICALLY IS NORTH OF SLY
08/27/09 18:49:18 AVENUE, SOUTH OF BUSH
08/27/09 18:49:21 BOULEVARD, THIS IS LIKE A
08/27/09 18:49:22 REALLY INTERESTING KIND OF MIX
08/27/09 18:49:25 OF A LOT OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF
08/27/09 18:49:25 USES.
08/27/09 18:49:26 GENERAL COMMERCIAL,
08/27/09 18:49:27 NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL USES, A
08/27/09 18:49:30 LOT OF PROFESSIONAL OFFICE
08/27/09 18:49:30 USES.
08/27/09 18:49:31 YOU CAN SEE THAT CMU35 IS
08/27/09 18:49:34 PRETTY MUCH THE CATEGORY
08/27/09 18:49:36 THAT
08/27/09 18:49:38 ALLOWS CG AND CG USES LOW
08/27/09 18:49:39 INTENSITY OFFICE USES.
08/27/09 18:49:42 PRETTY MUCH WHAT
08/27/09 18:49:43 YOU'RE SEEING
08/27/09 18:49:44 ON THIS.
08/27/09 18:49:47 SOME OFFBEAT TYPES,
08/27/09 18:49:50 OF COURSE
08/27/09 18:49:51 FALLS DOWN IMMEDIATELY INTO --
08/27/09 18:49:52 THANK YOU.
08/27/09 18:49:53 OF COURSE IT FALLS BACK AS YOU
08/27/09 18:49:56 GO INTO THE RESIDENTIAL
08/27/09 18:49:58 NEIGHBORHOODS DRAMATICALLY TO
08/27/09 18:49:59 THE RESIDENTIAL 10 CATEGORY.
08/27/09 18:50:00 GOING AFTER THE SITE IF YOU'RE
08/27/09 18:50:02 GONE OUT TO THE SITE AND SEEN
08/27/09 18:50:04 IT IT'S AN EXISTING MEDICAL
08/27/09 18:50:05 CLINIC AND IT IS A BUSY PLACE.
08/27/09 18:50:08 THERE'S A LOT OF CARS IN THAT
08/27/09 18:50:09 FRONT AREA.
08/27/09 18:50:11 THE REQUEST FOR THE EXPANSION I
08/27/09 18:50:13 CAN SEE IS NEEDED.
08/27/09 18:50:16 I ALSO CAN SEE THAT THEY HAVE
08/27/09 18:50:18 ENOUGH PROPERTY IN THE REAR OF
08/27/09 18:50:21 THE PROPERTY WHICH REALLY WILL
08/27/09 18:50:24 ALLOW THE EXISTING BUSINESS TO
08/27/09 18:50:25 FUNCTION MUCH, MUCH BETTER.
08/27/09 18:50:26 THERE'S AMPLE ACREAGE IN THE
08/27/09 18:50:29 BACK TO PROVIDE FOR PARKING AND
08/27/09 18:50:30 PROVIDE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT.
08/27/09 18:50:32 STILL AMPLE AMOUNT OF SET BACK
08/27/09 18:50:33 FROM THIS BUSINESS TO
08/27/09 18:50:35 RESIDENTIAL WHICH IS FARTHER TO
08/27/09 18:50:37 THE WESTERN SITE OVER HERE
08/27/09 18:50:38 RELATIVE TO WHERE THIS
08/27/09 18:50:40 PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT IS.
08/27/09 18:50:42 ALSO YOU HAVE A SIGNIFICANT
08/27/09 18:50:44 VEGETATIVE BUFFER ON THAT
08/27/09 18:50:47 SOUTHERN SIDE WHICH BASICALLY
08/27/09 18:50:48 BUTTS THAT 2501 HAMILTON
08/27/09 18:50:49 RESIDENCE IN ADDITION TO THE
08/27/09 18:50:52 OTHER TWO RESIDENCES THAT ARE
08/27/09 18:50:53 THERE.
08/27/09 18:50:54 SO YOU DO HAVE SIGNIFICANT
08/27/09 18:50:57 PRESENCE OF I THINK THERE'S A
08/27/09 18:50:58 COUPLE GRAND TREES THERE.
08/27/09 18:51:00 I DID TALK WITH LANDSCAPE ABOUT
08/27/09 18:51:00 THAT.
08/27/09 18:51:02 I DON'T EVEN THINK ACCORDING TO
08/27/09 18:51:04 WHAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT
08/27/09 18:51:05 THAT THEY WOULD EVEN RECOMMEND
08/27/09 18:51:07 THAT THERE BE IN KIND OF
08/27/09 18:51:10 FENCING PUT THERE
08/27/09 18:51:12 EVEN WITH THE
08/27/09 18:51:13 CURRENT LINTEL.
08/27/09 18:51:14 THERE IS SIGNIFICANT VEGETATIVE
08/27/09 18:51:15 BUFFER THERE.
08/27/09 18:51:15 THEY FEEL THAT'S SIGNIFICANT
08/27/09 18:51:18 ENOUGH EVEN THOUGH THERE
08/27/09 18:51:19 IS A
08/27/09 18:51:19 CONCERN.
08/27/09 18:51:20 I GUESS THAT MAYBE WHAT WAS
08/27/09 18:51:23 GOING TO BE PLACED THERE BY THE
08/27/09 18:51:25 APPLICANT NOW IS GOING TO BE
08/27/09 18:51:27 MUCH LARGER THAN WHAT IS
08/27/09 18:51:28 CURRENTLY GOING TO BE.
08/27/09 18:51:29 SHOULD BE SOMETHING NOT GOING
08/27/09 18:51:31 TO ADVERSE AND MAKE THE
08/27/09 18:51:34 PROPERTY FUNCTION MUCH BETTER
08/27/09 18:51:34 VEHICULARLY.
08/27/09 18:51:35 PLANNING COMMISSION FOUND
08/27/09 18:51:36 PROPOSED REQUEST CONSISTENT
08/27/09 18:51:39 WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
08/27/09 18:51:39 >> QUESTIONS BY COUNCIL?
08/27/09 18:51:40 >> CHAIRMAN, I WANT TO MAKE
08/27/09 18:51:41 SURE I HAVE THE RIGHT PROPERTY.
08/27/09 18:51:43 THAT PROPERTY I THINK WAS
08/27/09 18:51:45 VACANT FOR A LONG TIME.
08/27/09 18:51:48 USED TO BE AN INSURANCE AGENT'S
08/27/09 18:51:49 OFFICE OR SOMETHING ABOUT A
08/27/09 18:51:51 YEAR AND A HALF AGO.
08/27/09 18:51:51 IT SOLD TO THIS.
08/27/09 18:51:54 >> IT'S BEEN A CLINIC FOR
08/27/09 18:51:55 A
08/27/09 18:51:56 WHILE.
08/27/09 18:51:57 IT'S BEEN EXISTING CLINIC.
08/27/09 18:51:58 ALSO CHECKED ON THE ITEMS OF
08/27/09 18:51:59 OPERATION I DIDN'T BRING THAT
08/27/09 18:52:01 UP BUT THERE IS LIMITED HOURS
08/27/09 18:52:04 OF OPERATION EVEN THOUGH
08/27/09 18:52:09 IT IS
08/27/09 18:52:09 A CLINIC.
08/27/09 18:52:12 >>
08/27/09 18:52:15 PETITIONER.
08/27/09 18:52:20 >> MY NAME IS MARK MADISON.
08/27/09 18:52:21 I HAVE BEEN SWORN IN.
08/27/09 18:52:25 I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT SOME OF
08/27/09 18:52:28 THE
08/27/09 18:52:34 COMMENTS MADE RELATIVE TO
08/27/09 18:52:36 2501 WEST HAMILTON.
08/27/09 18:52:39 FIRST OF ALL I WANTED TO
08/27/09 18:52:41 CLARIFY AND RE-EMPHASIZE A
08/27/09 18:52:41 COUPLE THINGS.
08/27/09 18:52:44 NUMBER ONE
08/27/09 18:52:47 WE
08/27/09 18:52:50 HAVE
08/27/09 18:52:53 KIND OF A
08/27/09 18:53:07 SPLIT ZONING DOWN THE LOT.
08/27/09 18:53:10 IT'S THE NEED TO BE ABLE TO PUT
08/27/09 18:53:13 SOME PARKING IN
08/27/09 18:53:16 THE BACK WHERE
08/27/09 18:53:19 THE RS-60 ZONING DESIGNATION
08/27/09 18:53:22 CUTS ACROSS THE REAR THIRD OF
08/27/09 18:53:23 THE LOT.
08/27/09 18:53:24 THE NECESSITATES A REZONING.
08/27/09 18:53:26 AN ADDITION COULD HAVE BEEN PUT
08/27/09 18:53:27 THERE WITHOUT ANY REZONING IF
08/27/09 18:53:29 WE COULD HAVE NOT HAD ANY
08/27/09 18:53:30 PARKING IN THE BACK.
08/27/09 18:53:33 SO IT'S ONLY A PARKING ISSUE
08/27/09 18:53:36 THAT IS BENEFICIAL
08/27/09 18:53:38 TO THE LOT
08/27/09 18:53:39 AND THE AREA NOTED BY STAFF
08/27/09 18:53:42 ALREADY THAT IT'S
08/27/09 18:53:45 A PRETTY
08/27/09 18:53:47 BUSY
08/27/09 18:53:47 PLACE.
08/27/09 18:53:48 IT'S A HIGHLY BENEFICIAL
08/27/09 18:53:49 COMMUNITY SERVICE TYPE OF
08/27/09 18:53:49 BUSINESS.
08/27/09 18:53:50 PEOPLE ARE PARKING AROUND THE
08/27/09 18:53:53 FRONT NOW AND THINGS
08/27/09 18:53:54 LIKE THAT.
08/27/09 18:53:57 THERE'S
08/27/09 18:53:59 GOING TO BE LESS
08/27/09 18:54:02 PARKING TO THE SOUTHERN PART OF
08/27/09 18:54:05 THE PROPERTY
08/27/09 18:54:07 LINE WHICH BUTTS
08/27/09 18:54:07 2501W.
08/27/09 18:54:09 HAMILTON BECAUSE CARS ARE
08/27/09 18:54:11 PARKING THERE NOW THAT REALLY
08/27/09 18:54:11 SHOULDN'T.
08/27/09 18:54:13 TOO CLOSE TO A GRAND TREE AND
08/27/09 18:54:16 OFF
08/27/09 18:54:19 THE
08/27/09 18:54:22 PAVEMENT
08/27/09 18:54:22 AND SO FORTH.
08/27/09 18:54:23 PARKING NEEDED, EXPANSION,
08/27/09 18:54:26 THERE WOULD BE A LAW CG ON
08/27/09 18:54:28 EXISTING USAGE.
08/27/09 18:54:30 I'M NOT SURE I COULD PROBABLY
08/27/09 18:54:32 PRAISE TRUE HERE PROPERTY
08/27/09 18:54:33 APPRAISER PRINT OUT SOMEWHERE
08/27/09 18:54:35 IN MY FILE BUT THIS USE HAS
08/27/09 18:54:37 BEEN IN --WAS THERE BEFORE
08/27/09 18:54:39 THIS OWNER PURCHASED IT AND IT
08/27/09 18:54:41 DOES GO BACK PRETTY FAR.
08/27/09 18:54:43 I FORGET EXACTLY HOW LONG BUT
08/27/09 18:54:44 MANY YEARS THERE'S BEEN MEDICAL
08/27/09 18:54:47 CLIP IRK THIS IS NOT A RECENT
08/27/09 18:54:48 PURCHASE OR RECENT CHANGE OR
08/27/09 18:54:51 RECENT CHANGE OF USE
08/27/09 18:54:52 AT ALL.
08/27/09 18:54:55 SO IT'S ONLY TO REALLY ADDRESS
08/27/09 18:54:57 THE NEED OF THE COMMUNITY IN
08/27/09 18:55:00 BEING ABLE TO HAVE SOME MORE
08/27/09 18:55:03 EXAMINATION ROOMS, EXPAND THE
08/27/09 18:55:06 WAITING ROOM A
08/27/09 18:55:06 LITTLE BIT.
08/27/09 18:55:08 OTHER THAN THAT THIS ACTION AS
08/27/09 18:55:09 PUT INTO PLAY AN IMPROVEMENT ON
08/27/09 18:55:12 THIS SITE NOT ONLY IN PARKING
08/27/09 18:55:15 BUT LANDSCAPING AND EVEN THE
08/27/09 18:55:18 ENTRANCE AND ACCESS
08/27/09 18:55:19 AND EGRESS
08/27/09 18:55:22 FROM ARMENIA THERE'S GOING
08/27/09 18:55:23 TO
08/27/09 18:55:26 BE VASTLY IMPROVED.
08/27/09 18:55:28 RELATIVE TO THE SOUTHERN
08/27/09 18:55:31 PROPERTY LINE THAT DOESN'T
08/27/09 18:55:32 BUTT
08/27/09 18:55:35 THE RESIDENTIAL HOUSES IN
08/27/09 18:55:37 PARTICULAR 2501W.
08/27/09 18:55:39 HAMILTON, NUMBER ONE AS THE
08/27/09 18:55:42 AERIALS SHOW AND AS ANYONE THAT
08/27/09 18:55:43 THAT'S BEEN OUT THERE SEEN IN
08/27/09 18:55:46 THE SITE PLAN SHOWS ALL THE
08/27/09 18:55:46 TREES THERE.
08/27/09 18:55:47 THERE'S NOT ONLY TREES ON
08/27/09 18:55:48 PROPERTY LINE AND ON THE
08/27/09 18:55:49 SUBJECT LOT, THERE'S A LOT OF
08/27/09 18:55:53 TREES IN
08/27/09 18:55:56 THE DEEP REAR LOTS OF
08/27/09 18:55:57 ABUTTING LOTS.
08/27/09 18:55:58 AND IT IS THICK.
08/27/09 18:56:00 THERE'S EVERYTHING FROM
08/27/09 18:56:03 PROTECTIVE
08/27/09 18:56:04 CAMPER TREES TO
08/27/09 18:56:08 GRAND TREES AND ACTUALLY EVEN
08/27/09 18:56:09 A
08/27/09 18:56:10 WOOD FENCE PRESENT A PROBLEM AS
08/27/09 18:56:13 FAR AS DETRIMENT TO THESE
08/27/09 18:56:13 TREES.
08/27/09 18:56:14 A BLOCK WALL IS VIRTUALLY OUT
08/27/09 18:56:14 OF THE QUESTION.
08/27/09 18:56:17 YOU WOULD HAVE TO DESTROY A LOT
08/27/09 18:56:18 OF TREES.
08/27/09 18:56:21 THERE'S ALREADY A NATURAL
08/27/09 18:56:22 BUFFER.
08/27/09 18:56:23 THERE WOULD BE IMPROVED UPON.
08/27/09 18:56:24 THAT WAS THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF
08/27/09 18:56:26 ASKING OF THE WAIVER OF THAT.
08/27/09 18:56:29 AGAIN, THERE'S NO CHANGE IN
08/27/09 18:56:30 USE, NO EXPANDED USE ESPECIALLY
08/27/09 18:56:32 IN THIS AREA BECAUSE THE
08/27/09 18:56:34 PARKING'S NOT GOING TO BE
08/27/09 18:56:34 INCREASED THERE.
08/27/09 18:56:35 IN FACT, IT'S GOING TO BE
08/27/09 18:56:38 DIVERTED MORE TO
08/27/09 18:56:40 THE REAR OF
08/27/09 18:56:42 THE LOT.
08/27/09 18:56:44 ALSO THE DEVELOPMENT NOTED BY
08/27/09 18:56:47 STAFF IS CONSISTENT WITH THE
08/27/09 18:56:49 LOCAL AREA --
08/27/09 18:56:50 >> EXCUSE ME.
08/27/09 18:56:53 THERE WASN'T ANY OPPOSITION TO
08/27/09 18:56:54 THIS PETITION.
08/27/09 18:56:55 >> JUST ONE PERSON.
08/27/09 18:56:56 >> JUST ONE PERSON.
08/27/09 18:56:56 OKAY.
08/27/09 18:56:59 >> CAN WE FIND OUT
08/27/09 18:57:02 WHAT HIS
08/27/09 18:57:05 OPPOSITION
08/27/09 18:57:06 IS?
08/27/09 18:57:09 >>
08/27/09 18:57:11 SURE.
08/27/09 18:57:14 >> COME ON DOWN.
08/27/09 18:57:16 806 NORTH ARMENIA.
08/27/09 18:57:19 ON BEHALF OF THE RESIDENCE
08/27/09 18:57:19 AT
08/27/09 18:57:21 2501 WEST HAMILTON AVENUE, I'VE
08/27/09 18:57:22 BEEN SWORN.
08/27/09 18:57:24 THE WHOLE REASON FOR THE
08/27/09 18:57:25 OPPOSITION'S FIRST AND FOREMOST
08/27/09 18:57:27 AS ADMITTED BY THE APPLICANT I
08/27/09 18:57:30 THINK EVEN BY STAFF IS
08/27/09 18:57:32 THE SIZE
08/27/09 18:57:32 OF THIS OPERATION.
08/27/09 18:57:33 THERE'S A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF
08/27/09 18:57:35 VOLUME THAT GOES IN AND OUT OF
08/27/09 18:57:37 THERE DAY IN AND DAY OUT.
08/27/09 18:57:39 IT'S OPEN SEVEN DAYS A WEEK
08/27/09 18:57:40 UNTIL MIDNIGHT.
08/27/09 18:57:41 AND CURRENTLY THE WAY IT IS I
08/27/09 18:57:42 WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE
08/27/09 18:57:45 PICTURES JUST TO SHOW YOU THE
08/27/09 18:57:46 WAY THE PARKING IS.
08/27/09 18:57:49 THEY ARE PROPOSING TO
08/27/09 18:57:52 INCREASE
08/27/09 18:57:55 SIZE OF THIS STRUCTURE THERE'S
08/27/09 18:57:56 ALREADY TRAFFIC PROBLEMS THAT
08/27/09 18:57:59 RESULT OR STEM FROM THE WAY
08/27/09 18:58:01 THE
08/27/09 18:58:01 BUSINESS IS PRESENTLY
08/27/09 18:58:02 OPERATING.
08/27/09 18:58:05 LIKE
08/27/09 18:58:08 TO
08/27/09 18:58:11 SHOW A COUPLE
08/27/09 18:58:11 PICTURES.
08/27/09 18:58:12 THIS IS FROM ACROSS ARMENIA,
08/27/09 18:58:13 SORRY.
08/27/09 18:58:14 THAT'S RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET
08/27/09 18:58:17 THAT SHOWS THE FRONT
08/27/09 18:58:18 ENTRANCE
08/27/09 18:58:19 TO THE STRUCTURE.
08/27/09 18:58:21 NOW ZOOM IN, AGAIN, SHOWING
08/27/09 18:58:24 PARKING RIGHT AT THE ENTRANCE
08/27/09 18:58:25 WAY.
08/27/09 18:58:26 BEHIND THAT TO THE REAR IS HER
08/27/09 18:58:28 PROPERTY RIGHT UP TO THAT
08/27/09 18:58:28 FENCE.
08/27/09 18:58:30 THIS IS DURING REGULAR BUSINESS
08/27/09 18:58:33 HOURS PROBABLY ABOUT 3:00 IN
08/27/09 18:58:34 THE AFTERNOON.
08/27/09 18:58:36 NOT DURING HIGH TRAFFIC TIMES.
08/27/09 18:58:38 AND SHE IS REPRESENTING TO ME
08/27/09 18:58:39 THAT THERE'S BEEN SEVERAL
08/27/09 18:58:41 INCIDENCES IN FACT REGULARLY
08/27/09 18:58:42 THE PLACE IS PACKED.
08/27/09 18:58:45 AND THE APPLICANT ITSELF SAID
08/27/09 18:58:48 IT'S BEEN PRETTY BUSY.
08/27/09 18:58:49 THIS SHOWS ACTUALLY THE CARS
08/27/09 18:58:52 PARKING RIGHT UP AGAINST
08/27/09 18:58:55 THE
08/27/09 18:58:58 FENCE AND THE TREE.
08/27/09 18:58:58 ANOTHER PICTURE.
08/27/09 18:59:01 AND I WOULD JUST LIKE TO
08/27/09 18:59:03 SHOW
08/27/09 18:59:04 THAT ACTUALLY THE PROPERTY LINE
08/27/09 18:59:07 RUNS ALONG HER PROPERTY
08/27/09 18:59:07 LINE
08/27/09 18:59:08 HERE AND THERE'S TRAFFIC FOR
08/27/09 18:59:10 THAT FENCE RIGHT THERE BUT IN
08/27/09 18:59:12 THE PAST AND PRESUMABLY WILL BE
08/27/09 18:59:14 IN THE FUTURE WHEN THAT'S MOVED
08/27/09 18:59:15 OR TAKEN DOWN THERE'S CARS
08/27/09 18:59:18 PARKING IN FRONT OF HER
08/27/09 18:59:21 PROPERTY LINE FOR THIS
08/27/09 18:59:21 BUSINESS.
08/27/09 18:59:22 ACTUALLY, THIS PICTURE JUST
08/27/09 18:59:24 EVIDENCES THE FACT THAT THEY'RE
08/27/09 18:59:25 OPEN FROM 8:30 TO MIDNIGHT
08/27/09 18:59:27 SEVEN DAYS A WEEK.
08/27/09 18:59:28 SO THE CONCERN IS THAT WITH THE
08/27/09 18:59:30 PROPOSED ADDITION IT WILL ONLY
08/27/09 18:59:32 FURTHER INCREASE THE TRAFFIC
08/27/09 18:59:33 ISSUES IN THE PARKING PROBLEM
08/27/09 18:59:36 THAT IS ALREADY PRESENTLY EXIST
08/27/09 18:59:37 AT THE PROPERTY.
08/27/09 18:59:38 SO THE REASON FIRST AND
08/27/09 18:59:41 FOREMOST IS SHE'S HERE
08/27/09 18:59:41 TO
08/27/09 18:59:43 OPPOSE THE REZONING PETITION.
08/27/09 18:59:45 BUT IN THE ALTERNATIVE IN THE
08/27/09 18:59:49 EVENT THAT IT IS APPROVED SHE
08/27/09 18:59:50 ASK THAT IT BE CONDITIONALLY
08/27/09 18:59:53 APPROVED WITH SOME KIND OF
08/27/09 18:59:54 BUFFERING.
08/27/09 18:59:56 UNDERSTANDING ISSUES WITH THE
08/27/09 18:59:57 MASONRY WALL BUTS THAT WHAT'S
08/27/09 18:59:58 REQUIRED UNDER THE CODE.
08/27/09 19:00:00 THERE NEEDS TO BE ADDITIONAL
08/27/09 19:00:04 BUFFERING AND SCREENING DESPITE
08/27/09 19:00:05 BEING AN ACTUAL BUFFERING
08/27/09 19:00:05 THERE.
08/27/09 19:00:08 IT'S NOT ENOUGH FOR THE VOLUME
08/27/09 19:00:10 OF TRAFFIC AND IT'S ONLY LIKELY
08/27/09 19:00:13 TO INCREASE WITH THE NEW
08/27/09 19:00:15 ADDITION TO THE STRUCTURE.
08/27/09 19:00:18 I'M HERE
08/27/09 19:00:20 FOR QUESTIONS.
08/27/09 19:00:20 >> OKAY.
08/27/09 19:00:21 >> THANK YOU.
08/27/09 19:00:24 IS SHE BOTHERED BY LIKE CAR
08/27/09 19:00:25 LIGHTS AND YOU KNOW GOING INTO
08/27/09 19:00:26 THE --
08/27/09 19:00:28 >> NOT ONLY THE TRAFFIC COMING
08/27/09 19:00:31 IN AND OUT LIKE I SAID THROUGH
08/27/09 19:00:33 MIDNIGHT IS NORMAL BUSINESS
08/27/09 19:00:34 OPERATING HOURS THOUGH
08/27/09 19:00:36 UNDERSTAND NOW TODAY THEY'RE
08/27/09 19:00:37 CONSIDERING REVAMPING THOSE OR
08/27/09 19:00:39 ALTERING THOSE HOURS I'M NOT
08/27/09 19:00:41 SURE WHAT HOURS SPECIFICALLY,
08/27/09 19:00:42 BUT THE TRAFFIC WITH THE SIZE
08/27/09 19:00:45 OF THE STRUCTURE AS IT IS NOW
08/27/09 19:00:46 IS ALREADY THEY'RE PARKING ON
08/27/09 19:00:49 HER PROPERTY RIGHT UP
08/27/09 19:00:50 AGAINST
08/27/09 19:00:50 THE FENCE.
08/27/09 19:00:51 IT'S ALREADY OVERLOADED.
08/27/09 19:00:53 AND YOU KNOW WITH THE INCREASE
08/27/09 19:00:55 IN STRUCTURE THEY'RE PRESUMABLY
08/27/09 19:00:56 ONLY GOING TO INCREASE CAPACITY
08/27/09 19:00:59 WHICH WILL FURTHER
08/27/09 19:01:00 RESULT IN
08/27/09 19:01:02 MORE TRAFFIC PROBLEMS.
08/27/09 19:01:03 >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
08/27/09 19:01:03 >> YEAH.
08/27/09 19:01:04 I DON'T EXACTLY UNDERSTAND HOW
08/27/09 19:01:07 PEOPLE CAN BE PARKING
08/27/09 19:01:08 ON HER
08/27/09 19:01:08 PROPERTY.
08/27/09 19:01:09 >> RIGHT.
08/27/09 19:01:10 I WAS SHOWING BRING OUT THE
08/27/09 19:01:10 PICTURE.
08/27/09 19:01:13 THERE'S A WIRE FENCE THERE NOW
08/27/09 19:01:14 BUT FROM MY UNDERSTANDING THAT
08/27/09 19:01:15 WASN'T ALWAYS THERE.
08/27/09 19:01:16 WHAT IT WAS YOU'LL SEE THIS IS
08/27/09 19:01:18 HER PROPERTY LINE HERE AND THIS
08/27/09 19:01:20 IS ACTUALLY THE ENTRANCE WAY TO
08/27/09 19:01:21 THE FACILITY.
08/27/09 19:01:22 SO THERE WERE CARS PARKING ALL
08/27/09 19:01:25 ALONG THE ROAD IN FRONT OF
08/27/09 19:01:26 HER
08/27/09 19:01:27 FENCE, ON HER PROPERTY BECAUSE
08/27/09 19:01:30 THE BUSINESS IS
08/27/09 19:01:34 A
08/27/09 19:01:34 BUSINESS.
08/27/09 19:01:36 >> THAT'S RIGHT-OF-WAY THOUGH.
08/27/09 19:01:36 >> IT'S PUBLIC PROPERTY.
08/27/09 19:01:38 BUT YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO PARK
08/27/09 19:01:39 ON THE SIDEWALKS.
08/27/09 19:01:42 >> IT'S SHOWING HOW BUSY
08/27/09 19:01:42 THE
08/27/09 19:01:43 CLINIC IS.
08/27/09 19:01:45 SHE BELIEVES TRULY WITH THE
08/27/09 19:01:48 INCREASE SIZE IT WILL ONLY ADD
08/27/09 19:01:51 TO THE PROBLEM.
08/27/09 19:01:52 >> THANK YOU.
08/27/09 19:01:55 >>
08/27/09 19:01:58 YOU WANT TO
08/27/09 19:01:59 SAY SOMETHING?
08/27/09 19:02:00 >> COUNCIL, LAND DEVELOPMENT.
08/27/09 19:02:02 HE SAID THE WOOD FENCE AND
08/27/09 19:02:04 CHAIN LINK FENCE ALLUDED THOSE
08/27/09 19:02:05 MIGHT BE REMOVED.
08/27/09 19:02:08 THOSE WILL NOT
08/27/09 19:02:08 BE REMOVED.
08/27/09 19:02:09 IN FACT, THAT'S THAT'S WHAT THE
08/27/09 19:02:10 PROBLEM IS.
08/27/09 19:02:11 IF THEY WERE TO TAKE OUT THE
08/27/09 19:02:13 FENCES GIVEN THE TREES AND
08/27/09 19:02:15 INTERMINGLING OF ALL THE ROOT
08/27/09 19:02:17 SYSTEMS UNDER THOSE TREES AND
08/27/09 19:02:19 TRY TO PUT THAT WALL IN, THAT'S
08/27/09 19:02:21 WHERE THE PROBLEM WOULD LIE.
08/27/09 19:02:23 SO THERE IS SIX FOOT WOOD FENCE
08/27/09 19:02:24 IF YOU LOOK ON YOUR SITE PLAN
08/27/09 19:02:26 AND I CAN SHOW YOU WHERE THAT
08/27/09 19:02:29 WOOD FENCE IS CURRENTLY AND
08/27/09 19:02:30 ALSO A FOUR FEET CHAIN LINK
08/27/09 19:02:32 FENCE ALONG THAT IN ADDITION TO
08/27/09 19:02:32 THE VEGETATION.
08/27/09 19:02:33 I WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT IF
08/27/09 19:02:35 THERE WAS ANY THOUGHT THAT THAT
08/27/09 19:02:36 FENCE WAS COMING DOWN, IT IS
08/27/09 19:02:38 NOT COMING DOWN.
08/27/09 19:02:40 IT IS GOING TO REMAIN.
08/27/09 19:02:41 >> DID TRANSPORTATION --YOU
08/27/09 19:02:43 KNOW SOMETIMES WE HAVE PROBLEMS
08/27/09 19:02:44 WITH MEDICAL FACILITIES THAT
08/27/09 19:02:47 GENERATE A LOT MORE TRAFFIC
08/27/09 19:02:49 THAN WE'LL ASSUME THEY'LL
08/27/09 19:02:50 GENERATE, DID OUR
08/27/09 19:02:51 TRANSPORTATION PEOPLE DO AN
08/27/09 19:02:53 ACTUAL LOOK ABOUT AND SURVEY
08/27/09 19:02:54 AND COUNT AND SEE FOR EXAMPLE
08/27/09 19:02:56 THEY'RE ASKING FOR A WAIVER OF
08/27/09 19:02:58 COMPACT SPACES AGAIN OF HOW
08/27/09 19:02:59 MANY COMPACT SPACES ARE
08/27/09 19:02:59 ACTUALLY --
08/27/09 19:03:02 >> IF I MAY CLARIFY THIS IS
08/27/09 19:03:04 ACTUALLY CONSIDERED A CLINIC
08/27/09 19:03:07 AND HAS A HIGHER PARKING RATIO
08/27/09 19:03:09 THAN A MEDICAL OFFICE.
08/27/09 19:03:11 THEY HAVE NOT REQUESTED A
08/27/09 19:03:12 PARKING WAIVER.
08/27/09 19:03:13 THEY'RE PROVIDING THREE
08/27/09 19:03:14 ADDITIONAL SPACES.
08/27/09 19:03:15 24 INSTEAD OF 21.
08/27/09 19:03:18 IT'S JUST THAT THE RATIO OF
08/27/09 19:03:21 COMPACT IS A LITTLE HIGHER.
08/27/09 19:03:24 >> WE DIDN'T TREAT IT OUT
08/27/09 19:03:24 OF
08/27/09 19:03:26 MEDICAL AT FIVE PER A THOUSAND
08/27/09 19:03:28 WE TREATED AS A CLINIC AS SEVEN
08/27/09 19:03:30 PER THOUSAND.
08/27/09 19:03:31 SO YOU HAVE THE ELEVEN SPACES,
08/27/09 19:03:32 TEN SPACES ALONG THE REAR OF
08/27/09 19:03:35 THE PROPERTY THAT WERE
08/27/09 19:03:36 NO
08/27/09 19:03:36 LONGER.
08/27/09 19:03:38 >> THE CLINIC HAS HOURS
08/27/09 19:03:39 ATTACHED TO IT?
08/27/09 19:03:42 >> NO, IT DOES
08/27/09 19:03:43 NOT UNDER
08/27/09 19:03:44 COMMERCIAL GENERAL.
08/27/09 19:03:45 >> CAN WE SPECIFY THAT?
08/27/09 19:03:46 >> I WOULD ASK THE PETITIONER
08/27/09 19:03:49 IF THEY WOULD BE OPEN TO THAT.
08/27/09 19:03:50 THE LAST THING I WANTED TO SAY
08/27/09 19:03:53 THAT WE'RE NOW GOING
08/27/09 19:03:54 TO ALSO
08/27/09 19:03:55 HAVE SOME BOLL REGARDS BEING
08/27/09 19:03:56 INSTALLED ON THE FIRST TWO
08/27/09 19:03:58 TREES THAT ARE SHOWN WHERE THE
08/27/09 19:04:01 PEOPLE ARE PARKING RIGHT NOW.
08/27/09 19:04:03 SO IF IT'S GOING TO BECOME I
08/27/09 19:04:05 WON'T SAY PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE
08/27/09 19:04:06 BUT AS A DETERRENT FROM PARKING
08/27/09 19:04:08 AND I'M NOT SURE THERE WOULD BE
08/27/09 19:04:10 ADEQUATE AREA FOR A SPACE THERE
08/27/09 19:04:13 ONCE THOSE ARE INSTALLED FOR
08/27/09 19:04:16 PROTECTION
08/27/09 19:04:19 OF
08/27/09 19:04:22 THE GRAND
08/27/09 19:04:22 TREES.
08/27/09 19:04:23 >> OKAY.
08/27/09 19:04:25 >> THANK YOU, SIR.
08/27/09 19:04:26 >> ANYONE ELSE?
08/27/09 19:04:27 >> OKAY.
08/27/09 19:04:28 ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.
08/27/09 19:04:28 >> YES.
08/27/09 19:04:29 FOR THE PETITIONER.
08/27/09 19:04:32 YOU HEARD WHAT THE NEIGHBOR'S
08/27/09 19:04:33 CONCERNS ARE?
08/27/09 19:04:33 >> YES.
08/27/09 19:04:34 AND I CAN APPRECIATE WITHOUT
08/27/09 19:04:37 THE BENEFIT OF SEEING SITE PLAN
08/27/09 19:04:38 AND SEEING WHAT'S PLANNED HOW
08/27/09 19:04:41 ONE COULD HAVE THOSE CONCERNS.
08/27/09 19:04:43 ESPECIALLY WITH THE EXISTING
08/27/09 19:04:44 CONDITIONS.
08/27/09 19:04:44 CARS PARKING TOWARDS THAT
08/27/09 19:04:46 PROPERTY IN THE REAR RIGHT UP
08/27/09 19:04:49 NEAR THE FENCE
08/27/09 19:04:52 WHERE THEY
08/27/09 19:04:54 SHOULD NOT BE AND THE MAYBE
08/27/09 19:04:55 PARKING ON THE RIGHT-OF-WAY ON
08/27/09 19:04:58 THE SIDE OF THE ROAD AND TAKING
08/27/09 19:05:01 A FENCE WOULD BE REMOVED I
08/27/09 19:05:02 COULD SEE HOW THIS
08/27/09 19:05:03 MISUNDERSTANDING AND WITHOUT
08/27/09 19:05:05 BENEFIT OF THE INFORMATION OF
08/27/09 19:05:08 THE SITE PLAN THOSE ARE
08/27/09 19:05:09 VERY
08/27/09 19:05:09 VALID CONCERNS.
08/27/09 19:05:10 THE PROPOSED CHANGES SHOULD
08/27/09 19:05:12 ALLEVIATE THE EXISTING PROBLEMS
08/27/09 19:05:12 THAT ARE THERE NOW.
08/27/09 19:05:15 ALL OF THEM POINT TO THAT.
08/27/09 19:05:16 NUMBER ONE AGAIN AS STAFF
08/27/09 19:05:19 POINTED OUT THERE'S NO
08/27/09 19:05:22 INTENTION TO REMOVE THE FENCE.
08/27/09 19:05:23 NOT ONLY WILL THERE BE
08/27/09 19:05:25 DESIGNATED PARKING THAT IS NOT
08/27/09 19:05:27 THERE WHERE PEOPLE ARE USING
08/27/09 19:05:28 FOR PARKING, AGAIN PROTECTED
08/27/09 19:05:31 AREA OF THE GRAND TREE AND
08/27/09 19:05:32 THESE BULL HARDS THERE NO ONE'S
08/27/09 19:05:33 GOING TO BE ABLE TO.
08/27/09 19:05:34 AND THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO JUST
08/27/09 19:05:37 SIT THERE IN THE
08/27/09 19:05:39 MIDDLE OF THE
08/27/09 19:05:39 EGRESS ACCESS.
08/27/09 19:05:41 OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE NOT GOING TO
08/27/09 19:05:42 DO IT.
08/27/09 19:05:44 BESIDES NOW EVERYTHING WILL BE
08/27/09 19:05:46 PAVEED AND MARKED WHICH IS NOT
08/27/09 19:05:46 NOW.
08/27/09 19:05:48 AND, AGAIN, THE NEED FOR
08/27/09 19:05:51 PARKING IS GOING TO BE
08/27/09 19:05:51 SATISFIED AND CONTRIBUTE TO
08/27/09 19:05:54 PUTTING IN THE REAR OF THE LOT
08/27/09 19:05:55 WHICH IS HUGE.
08/27/09 19:05:56 AGAIN A LOT MORE TREES.
08/27/09 19:05:59 IT'S GOING TO CORRECT A
08/27/09 19:06:00 PROBLEM
08/27/09 19:06:02 THAT HAS JUST EVOLVED FROM ONE
08/27/09 19:06:05 THE SITE NOT BEING DEVELOPED
08/27/09 19:06:08 AND COMPLYING WITH
08/27/09 19:06:10 TODAY'S
08/27/09 19:06:10 STANDARDS.
08/27/09 19:06:11 >> FINISHED?
08/27/09 19:06:14 >> I JUST WANT TODAY ASK
08/27/09 19:06:14 ABOUT
08/27/09 19:06:14 HOURS.
08/27/09 19:06:17 I'VE HONESTLY NEVER HEARD OF
08/27/09 19:06:19 A
08/27/09 19:06:20 CLINIC GOING TO MIDNIGHT.
08/27/09 19:06:23 >> I DON'T KNOW
08/27/09 19:06:24 HOW COMMON IT
08/27/09 19:06:24 IS.
08/27/09 19:06:27 I'M NOT IN THE INDUSTRY OF THE
08/27/09 19:06:27 BUSINESS.
08/27/09 19:06:30 IT'S JUST THE WAY
08/27/09 19:06:31 IT'S EXISTED.
08/27/09 19:06:34 TRYING TO SERVE MORE PEOPLE IN
08/27/09 19:06:35 THAT AREA.
08/27/09 19:06:38 >> MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS ALL OF
08/27/09 19:06:39 OUR CONCERN IS NOT NEGATIVELY
08/27/09 19:06:41 IMPACT THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND IF
08/27/09 19:06:43 THE PEOPLE WHO RUN THE CLINIC
08/27/09 19:06:46 NOW ARE PEOPLE WHO OWNED IT
08/27/09 19:06:48 PREVIOUSLY, HOW ARE WE
08/27/09 19:06:50 REASSURED THEY'RE GOING TO
08/27/09 19:06:53 POLICE THE ACCESS --THE
08/27/09 19:06:56 PARKING ISSUES OF
08/27/09 19:06:59 THEIR
08/27/09 19:06:59 CLIENTS?
08/27/09 19:07:00 >> WELL, MY UNDERSTANDING IS
08/27/09 19:07:03 THE CURRENT OWNER DID NOT PUT
08/27/09 19:07:03 IN THE CLINIC.
08/27/09 19:07:05 AND I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY WHEN
08/27/09 19:07:05 THEY PURCHASED IT.
08/27/09 19:07:08 I THINK IT WAS A COUPLE YEAR
08/27/09 19:07:09 AGO.
08/27/09 19:07:12 THEY PURCHASED IT AS A
08/27/09 19:07:12 CLINIC.
08/27/09 19:07:13 LEFT IT AS THAT.
08/27/09 19:07:15 AND THIS IS THEIR INTENT TO
08/27/09 19:07:16 IMPROVE THE SITUATION.
08/27/09 19:07:17 >> ARE THEY HERE TONIGHT?
08/27/09 19:07:20 CAN THEY SPEAK TO THESE
08/27/09 19:07:20 CONCERNS?
08/27/09 19:07:21 >> NO, THEY'RE NOT.
08/27/09 19:07:23 THEY'RE FROM THE MIAMI AREA AND
08/27/09 19:07:26 WERE NOT ABLE TO --THEY HAVE
08/27/09 19:07:27 SEVERAL CLINICS THROUGHOUT THE
08/27/09 19:07:27 STATE.
08/27/09 19:07:30 WERE NOT ABLE TO MAKE IT HERE
08/27/09 19:07:33 TONIGHT.
08/27/09 19:07:41 >> THANK YOU.
08/27/09 19:07:44 OUR STAFF, MARY, SEEMS TO
08/27/09 19:07:44 HAVE
08/27/09 19:07:45 CONCERN ABOUT THE CINDER BLOCK
08/27/09 19:07:49 PUTTING CINDER
08/27/09 19:07:49 BLOCK IN AS
08/27/09 19:07:50 STATED.
08/27/09 19:07:51 SO I'LL TRUST HER JUDGMENT ON
08/27/09 19:07:54 THAT TO PROTECT THE TREES.
08/27/09 19:07:57 SO THAT LEAVES US
08/27/09 19:07:58 WITH A 65%
08/27/09 19:07:59 RIGHT?
08/27/09 19:08:00 THAT'S WHAT'S THERE RIGHT NOW?
08/27/09 19:08:03 >> BASICALLY ON THE
08/27/09 19:08:04 SOUTHERN
08/27/09 19:08:05 SIDE, YEAH.
08/27/09 19:08:07 >> AND MY CONCERN, MY
08/27/09 19:08:09 EXPERIENCE WITH THIS TYPE OF
08/27/09 19:08:11 FENCE IS MAYBE YOU GET TEN OR
08/27/09 19:08:12 15 YEARS DEPENDING ON HOW WET
08/27/09 19:08:14 IT IS, THAT SORT OF THING OUT
08/27/09 19:08:14 OF IT.
08/27/09 19:08:17 AND THEN YOU'VE GOT A ROTTED
08/27/09 19:08:18 SIX FOOT CYPRESS FENCE.
08/27/09 19:08:19 THAT'S ONE OF THE BENEFITS OF
08/27/09 19:08:22 HAVING A CINDER BLOCK WALL IS
08/27/09 19:08:25 THEY TEND TO LAST LONGER.
08/27/09 19:08:28 SO I GUESS MY
08/27/09 19:08:31 QUESTION PERHAPS
08/27/09 19:08:33 TO YOU, ABBEY, OR JULIA, IS CAN
08/27/09 19:08:36 WE CONDITION IT NOT ONLY TO
08/27/09 19:08:38 HAVE THE SIX FOOT CYPRESS FENCE
08/27/09 19:08:41 BUT TO CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN THE
08/27/09 19:08:44 SIX FOOT CYPRESS FENCE IN GOOD
08/27/09 19:08:47 CONDITION ON
08/27/09 19:08:47 THE SOUTHERN EDGE?
08/27/09 19:08:49 I DON'T JUST MEAN IN TERMS OF
08/27/09 19:08:50 CODE ENFORCEMENT, I MEAN IN
08/27/09 19:08:53 TERMS OF SITE PLAN ITSELF SO
08/27/09 19:08:55 THAT WAY IT'S VERY CLEAR ON THE
08/27/09 19:08:58 SITE PLAN THAT WE'RE WILLING TO
08/27/09 19:08:59 WAIVE THE CINDER BLOCK WALL AS
08/27/09 19:09:02 LONG AS THEY'RE WILLING TO
08/27/09 19:09:05 MAINTAIN A
08/27/09 19:09:06 GOOD, HEALTHY
08/27/09 19:09:07 CYPRESS FENCE.
08/27/09 19:09:08 >> ASK ABBEY TO COMMENT AS TO
08/27/09 19:09:11 WHAT IS ON THE LINK BECAUSE I
08/27/09 19:09:12 THOUGHT SHE INDICATED THE
08/27/09 19:09:14 EXISTENCE OF A WOOD TYPE OF
08/27/09 19:09:17 FENCE WAS ON THE SITE PLAN.
08/27/09 19:09:18 CERTAINLY THAT BESIDES IT BEING
08/27/09 19:09:20 SHOWN ON THE SITE PLANNED A
08/27/09 19:09:22 THAT AS A CONDITION THAT THE
08/27/09 19:09:23 FENCE ACTUALLY BE MAINTAINED ON
08/27/09 19:09:26 THE PROPERTY USING THE TERM IN
08/27/09 19:09:27 GOOD REPAIR.
08/27/09 19:09:30 YOU COULD PUT IT ON THE SITE
08/27/09 19:09:32 PLAN, I THINK THERE WOULD BE
08/27/09 19:09:35 INTERPRETIVE QUESTION OVER THAT
08/27/09 19:09:35 IN THE FUTURE.
08/27/09 19:09:38 CERTAINLY FALLING DOWN NOT WITH
08/27/09 19:09:40 STANDING GOOD REPAIR THAT WOULD
08/27/09 19:09:42 BE A QUESTION OR NOT IN
08/27/09 19:09:43 COMPLIANCE WITH THE SITE PLAN.
08/27/09 19:09:44 IT'S KIND OF STARTING TO GO BAD
08/27/09 19:09:47 THAT'S WHERE YOU MIGHT GET AN
08/27/09 19:09:49 INTERPRETIVE QUESTION OVER GOOD
08/27/09 19:09:49 REPAIR.
08/27/09 19:09:51 I THINK I WOULD LIKE ABBEY TO
08/27/09 19:09:52 INDICATE WHETHER OR NOT THERE
08/27/09 19:09:55 IS SOMETHING ON THE SITE PLAN
08/27/09 19:09:56 SHOWING WHETHER OR NOT THAT
08/27/09 19:09:59 FENCE THAT IS CURRENTLY IN
08/27/09 19:10:02 EXISTENCE MUST
08/27/09 19:10:04 REMAIN IN
08/27/09 19:10:05 EXISTENCE.
08/27/09 19:10:06 >> IF I COULD CLARIFY.
08/27/09 19:10:09 THE PORTION IS A FOUR FOOT
08/27/09 19:10:10 CHAIN LINK FENCE RUNNING
08/27/09 19:10:12 PROBABLY ABOUT 30 FEET OR SO
08/27/09 19:10:14 AND THEN A SIX FOOT WOOD FENCE
08/27/09 19:10:16 IS WHAT EXISTS THERE NOW.
08/27/09 19:10:17 >> I GUESS MY BIGGEST CONCERN
08/27/09 19:10:20 IS AS IT RELATES TO THOSE THREE
08/27/09 19:10:22 HOUSES THAT ARE THERE
08/27/09 19:10:25 ESPECIALLY SINCE THERE WILL BE
08/27/09 19:10:26 OPERATION UNTIL MIDNIGHT, I
08/27/09 19:10:28 KNOW IF I LIVED THERE AND THAT
08/27/09 19:10:31 WAS MY BACKYARD AND THERE'S A
08/27/09 19:10:33 BUSINESS GOING ON UNTIL
08/27/09 19:10:34 MIDNIGHT, I WOULD WANT A NICE
08/27/09 19:10:37 CYPRESS FENCE THERE TO KEEP THE
08/27/09 19:10:38 LIGHTS FROM COMING THROUGH.
08/27/09 19:10:40 >> I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU.
08/27/09 19:10:42 I SHOULDN'T THINK THERE WOULD
08/27/09 19:10:43 BE ANY --[ OVERLAPPING
08/27/09 19:10:43 SPEAKERS ]
08/27/09 19:10:44 >> WHERE IS THE CHAIN LINK?
08/27/09 19:10:47 IS THAT BEHIND ONE OF THE
08/27/09 19:10:49 NEIGHBORS?
08/27/09 19:10:50 >> YES.
08/27/09 19:10:53 IT'S IN THE REAR YARD
08/27/09 19:10:54 PRETTY
08/27/09 19:10:57 MUCH OF THIS 2501W.
08/27/09 19:10:58 HAMILTON.
08/27/09 19:11:01 >> THAT WAS MY CONCERN.
08/27/09 19:11:02 WOULD YA'LL BE AMENABLE,
08/27/09 19:11:05 LISTEN, 50 FEET OR 100 FEET
08/27/09 19:11:09 OF
08/27/09 19:11:12 CYPRESS FENCE IS
08/27/09 19:11:13 NEGLIGIBLE IF
08/27/09 19:11:14 YOU COULD RUN THAT THE WHOLE
08/27/09 19:11:15 REST OF THE WAY.
08/27/09 19:11:16 >> WE WOULD HAVE NO PROBLEM
08/27/09 19:11:19 WITH THAT AT ALL OR LEAVING OR
08/27/09 19:11:20 REMOVING THE CHAIN LINK FENCE
08/27/09 19:11:22 IS ON THEIR PROPERTY I BELIEVE.
08/27/09 19:11:25 BUT WE HAVE NO PROBLEM ADDING
08/27/09 19:11:27 A
08/27/09 19:11:30 WOOD FENCE AND
08/27/09 19:11:31 STIPULATION THAT
08/27/09 19:11:33 IT'S MAINTAINED IN GOOD SHAPE
08/27/09 19:11:34 ALL THE TIME.
08/27/09 19:11:34 >> GREAT.
08/27/09 19:11:37 >> AND ALSO I WANTED TO
08/27/09 19:11:39 ALSO
08/27/09 19:11:42 MENTION FOR THE REPRESENTATIVE
08/27/09 19:11:44 OF THE PROPERTY OWNER ON 2501
08/27/09 19:11:46 WEST HAMILTON AVENUE, PART OF
08/27/09 19:11:49 THE SITE
08/27/09 19:11:51 PLAN ALSO INDICATES
08/27/09 19:11:52 LANDSCAPING, ADDITIONAL
08/27/09 19:11:53 LANDSCAPING ALSO TO HELP
08/27/09 19:11:53 MITIGATE THE SITUATION.
08/27/09 19:11:55 I THINK ALL OF US WOULD AGREE
08/27/09 19:11:56 IF YOU GET ACCOMPLISHED AND
08/27/09 19:11:59 SAME OBJECTIVES AND NOT HAVE A
08/27/09 19:12:02 BLOCK WALL, JUST FOR MAAS
08/27/09 19:12:05 DEBTIC REASONS NUMBERS LIKE
08/27/09 19:12:06 PRISONERS, MAKING A RECTANGULAR
08/27/09 19:12:08 BLOCK WALL ASIDE FROM KILLING
08/27/09 19:12:10 TREES AND MAKING IT DIFFICULT
08/27/09 19:12:11 REALLY AN UGLY THING.
08/27/09 19:12:14 SO WE'RE LOOKING TO IMPROVE
08/27/09 19:12:16 THE
08/27/09 19:12:17 SITUATION AND BE CONSISTENT
08/27/09 19:12:20 WITH THE WANTS AND NEEDS OF THE
08/27/09 19:12:23 ADJACENT NEIGHBORS
08/27/09 19:12:25 AND YET HAVE
08/27/09 19:12:27 SOMETHINGAESTHETICALLY ADJACENT
08/27/09 19:12:27 AS WELL.
08/27/09 19:12:28 >> ANOTHER QUESTION COUNCIL
08/27/09 19:12:28 MEMBER.
08/27/09 19:12:31 >> I THINK WE
08/27/09 19:12:33 NEED TO HEAR FROM
08/27/09 19:12:33 MARY.
08/27/09 19:12:35 >> HAVE SOMETHING ELSE TO SAY.
08/27/09 19:12:35 >> WHY MARY?
08/27/09 19:12:36 >> BECAUSE SHE CAN TELL US IF
08/27/09 19:12:39 IT'S OKAY TO PUT UP THE
08/27/09 19:12:40 PROPOSED WALL NEXT TO WHERE THE
08/27/09 19:12:43 CHAIN LINK FENCE IS AND IT WILL
08/27/09 19:12:45 BE OKAY FOR THE TREE.
08/27/09 19:12:47 WOOD FENCE WHERE THE CHAIN LINK
08/27/09 19:12:50 FENCE IS AND WILL THAT BE OKAY
08/27/09 19:12:51 FOR THE TREE.
08/27/09 19:12:53 >> MARY DANNY LAND DEVELOPMENT
08/27/09 19:12:55 COORDINATION, I HAVE BEEN
08/27/09 19:12:56 SWORN.
08/27/09 19:12:57 IF THEY'RE REALLY REALLY
08/27/09 19:13:00 CAREFUL AND THEY MAKE SURE THAT
08/27/09 19:13:03 POST HOLES DO
08/27/09 19:13:06 NOT HARM ROOTS
08/27/09 19:13:09 AND THE FENCE IS BRIDGED OVER
08/27/09 19:13:12 THE ROOT SYSTEM, THEN,
08/27/09 19:13:14 YES, IT
08/27/09 19:13:14 WOULD BE PERMISSIBLE.
08/27/09 19:13:17 >> CAN YOU WRITE THAT
08/27/09 19:13:18 DOWN?
08/27/09 19:13:19 >> YES.
08/27/09 19:13:20 WE CAN DO THAT.
08/27/09 19:13:23 AND ALSO GOING TO REQUEST
08/27/09 19:13:24 THEY
08/27/09 19:13:25 DO ADDITIONAL BOLL HARDS
08/27/09 19:13:28 ADJACENT TO THE GRAND TREE UP
08/27/09 19:13:29 FRONT WHICH WILL ALLEVIATE THE
08/27/09 19:13:32 MANEUVERING OF THE CARS IN THAT
08/27/09 19:13:32 AREA.
08/27/09 19:13:33 >> THANK YOU.
08/27/09 19:13:35 >> WE WERE CONFERRING ON THAT.
08/27/09 19:13:38 THIS IS THAT LOT LINE ABBEY
08/27/09 19:13:40 LAND DEVELOPMENT, THIS IS THE
08/27/09 19:13:43 LOT LINE OF 2501 YOU CAN
08/27/09 19:13:45 SEE IT
08/27/09 19:13:45 COMING DOWN THERE.
08/27/09 19:13:47 THERE ARE BOLL HARDS AND TURF
08/27/09 19:13:50 BLOCKS TO BE PUT IN BUT
08/27/09 19:13:50 WHAT
08/27/09 19:13:52 WE'RE GOING TO REQUEST IN
08/27/09 19:13:54 ADDITION TO BE SET EVERY FOUR
08/27/09 19:13:54 TO SIX FEET HERE.
08/27/09 19:13:56 SO IT WOULD BE FOR THE
08/27/09 19:13:58 PROTECTION OF BOTH THOSE ROOT
08/27/09 19:14:01 ZONES AND THAT WOULD REALLY
08/27/09 19:14:04 ALLEVIATE ANY PARKING IN THAT
08/27/09 19:14:06 AREA ADJACENT THAT WAY AND
08/27/09 19:14:09 WITHIN THE PROTECTIVE ROOT ZONE
08/27/09 19:14:10 OF THOSE TWO TREES.
08/27/09 19:14:14 >>
08/27/09 19:14:16 ANY OTHER QUESTIONS COUNCIL
08/27/09 19:14:16 MEMBERS?
08/27/09 19:14:17 MOVE TO CLOSE.
08/27/09 19:14:18 >> SECOND.
08/27/09 19:14:21 >> MOTION TO SECOND AND
08/27/09 19:14:22 CLOSE
08/27/09 19:14:23 SAY I.
08/27/09 19:14:23 >> I.
08/27/09 19:14:24 >> OPPOSE.
08/27/09 19:14:25 >> THE REVISION SHEET FOR THIS
08/27/09 19:14:27 SITE PLAN IS BACK ON THE
08/27/09 19:14:28 PRINTER IN MY OFFICE.
08/27/09 19:14:29 IF I COULD JUST READ QUICKLY
08/27/09 19:14:33 WHAT THOSE REVISIONS ARE INTO
08/27/09 19:14:36 THE RECORD
08/27/09 19:14:36 I APOLOGIZE.
08/27/09 19:14:38 START WITH WHAT WE JUST TALKED
08/27/09 19:14:40 ABOUT WHICH WAS A CHANGE TO THE
08/27/09 19:14:43 SITE PLAN WHICH WOULD REPLACE
08/27/09 19:14:44 THE CURRENT LENGTH OF FOUR FOOT
08/27/09 19:14:47 CHAIN LINK FENCE IS SHOWN WITH
08/27/09 19:14:51 A SIX FOOT WOOD FENCE FOR THAT
08/27/09 19:14:52 SOUTHERN BOUNDARY.
08/27/09 19:14:55 AND ALSO THE INSTALLATION OF
08/27/09 19:14:57 MOLLERED BEGINNING FROM THE
08/27/09 19:14:58 LOCATION OF THE CURRENT BOLL
08/27/09 19:15:00 REGARDS MOVING EAST ON THE
08/27/09 19:15:02 PROPERTY EVERY FOUR TO SIX FEET
08/27/09 19:15:04 TO THE PROPERTY LINE AS LONG AS
08/27/09 19:15:07 IT DOES NOT IMPACT
08/27/09 19:15:08 SITE
08/27/09 19:15:11 VISIBILITY AT THAT ACCESS SITE.
08/27/09 19:15:13 THE ADDITION OF WAIVER FOR
08/27/09 19:15:16 SECTION 27242 TO ALLOW FOR AN
08/27/09 19:15:19 INCREASE IN THE PERCENTAGE OF
08/27/09 19:15:21 COMPACT PARKING SPACES FROM 65%
08/27/09 19:15:21 TO 71%.
08/27/09 19:15:24 A CORRECTION TO THE SITE SET
08/27/09 19:15:27 BACK AS LISTED UNDER THE SITE
08/27/09 19:15:27 PLAN NORTH SETBACK
08/27/09 19:15:28 APPROXIMATELY 21 FEET AND SOUTH
08/27/09 19:15:29 IS 23 FEET.
08/27/09 19:15:32 CORRECTION TO THE TREE TABLE AS
08/27/09 19:15:34 THE MULTIPLIER FOR FIVE INCH TO
08/27/09 19:15:35 SEVEN INCH TREE ZERO THEREFORE
08/27/09 19:15:37 THE DEBIT SHOULD BE ZERO.
08/27/09 19:15:40 THE TOTAL ALSO UPDATED TO
08/27/09 19:15:43 REQUEST THE CHANGES
08/27/09 19:15:43 TOTAL
08/27/09 19:15:46 NUMBER REMOVED SHOULD BE 12 AND
08/27/09 19:15:47 TOTAL RETAINED IS 14.
08/27/09 19:15:49 FROM THE TRUNK OF THE 30-INCH
08/27/09 19:15:51 GRAND ON THE EAST SIDE THE
08/27/09 19:15:53 ILLUSTRATION OF THE REQUIRED
08/27/09 19:15:56 PROTECTIVE
08/27/09 19:15:59 RADIUSES TEN FEET OF
08/27/09 19:16:01 CLEAR.
08/27/09 19:16:04 AND POSSIBLY SIX FEET PERVIOUS
08/27/09 19:16:04 SURFACE OF TURF UTILIZED.
08/27/09 19:16:07 PARKING CALCULATIONS NEED TO BE
08/27/09 19:16:07 REVISED.
08/27/09 19:16:10 THERE SHOULD BE 15 PARKING COME
08/27/09 19:16:12 SPACES NOT 12 AND STANDARD
08/27/09 19:16:13 SPACES SHOULD BE EIGHT.
08/27/09 19:16:16 AND TWO NOTES FOR STORM WATER
08/27/09 19:16:18 AS PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT
08/27/09 19:16:21 THE DEVELOPER WILL RETAIN
08/27/09 19:16:22 STORM
08/27/09 19:16:25 WATER RUN OFF IN II OR
08/27/09 19:16:25 B2 AND
08/27/09 19:16:27 THE EXISTING RETENTION POND
08/27/09 19:16:28 MUST BE PRESERVED.
08/27/09 19:16:29 THAT WAS IT.
08/27/09 19:16:32 >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE.
08/27/09 19:16:38 >> YOU CAN SPEAK AGAIN.
08/27/09 19:16:41 >> YEAH, ABBEY, I THINK THE
08/27/09 19:16:44 PETITIONER AGREED TO INCLUDE
08/27/09 19:16:46 SOME PHRASE ABOUT MAINTAINING
08/27/09 19:16:47 THE FENCE.
08/27/09 19:16:47 >> YES.
08/27/09 19:16:48 >> AND THE ADDITION ON THE NOTE
08/27/09 19:16:50 THAT THE CYPRESS FENCE THAT IS
08/27/09 19:16:53 LOCATED ON THE SOUTH PROPERTY
08/27/09 19:16:56 LINE WILL BE
08/27/09 19:16:59 MAINTAINED
08/27/09 19:17:01 IN A
08/27/09 19:17:02 GOOD FASHION.
08/27/09 19:17:02 GOOD REPAIR.
08/27/09 19:17:03 >> GOOD REPAIR.
08/27/09 19:17:06 >> AS FOR THE PETITIONER SHOULD
08/27/09 19:17:07 INSTALL OR MAINTAIN THE SIX
08/27/09 19:17:09 FOOT WOOD FENCE IN GOOD REPAIR.
08/27/09 19:17:10 >> GOOD REPAIR.
08/27/09 19:17:11 >> THANK YOU.
08/27/09 19:17:12 >> THANK YOU.
08/27/09 19:17:14 >> THANK YOU.
08/27/09 19:17:15 I MOVE ORDINANCE REZONING
08/27/09 19:17:17 PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL
08/27/09 19:17:18 VICINITY OF 7206 NORTH ARMENIA
08/27/09 19:17:21 AVENUE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA,
08/27/09 19:17:23 FLORIDA AND DESCRIBED IN
08/27/09 19:17:26 SECTION ONE FROM ZONING
08/27/09 19:17:28 DISTRICT CLASSIFICATION CG
08/27/09 19:17:31 COMMERCIAL GENERAL AND RS-60 TO
08/27/09 19:17:33 PD PLANNED CLINIC PROVIDING
08/27/09 19:17:36 EFFECTIVE DATED AING THE
08/27/09 19:17:39 CONDITIONS AND
08/27/09 19:17:40 WAIVERS AND
08/27/09 19:17:43 ADDITIONS AS STATED
08/27/09 19:17:46 PRIOR TO
08/27/09 19:17:47 ADOPTING THE ORDINANCE.
08/27/09 19:17:48 >> MOVE SECOND.
08/27/09 19:17:51 ALL IN FAVOR SAY I.
08/27/09 19:17:52 >> I.
08/27/09 19:17:52 >> OPPOSE.
08/27/09 19:17:53 >> MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
08/27/09 19:17:54 SECOND READING AND ADOPTION
08/27/09 19:17:56 WILL BE ON SEPTEMBER 17 AT 9:30
08/27/09 19:17:59 A.M.
08/27/09 19:18:01 >> OKAY.
08/27/09 19:18:04 ITEM FOUR.
08/27/09 19:18:34 >>> COUNCIL
08/27/09 19:18:37 FOLLOWING PETITION
08/27/09 19:18:40 IS LOCATED
08/27/09 19:18:43 AT 5507 53E BROADWAY
08/27/09 19:18:46 AND
08/27/09 19:18:48 1801 NORTH 52nd STREET.
08/27/09 19:18:50 PETITIONER KIMMINS CORPORATION
08/27/09 19:18:53 REZONE FROM IG INDUSTRIAL
08/27/09 19:18:55 GENERAL CI TO PLAN DEVELOPMENT
08/27/09 19:18:57 RECYCLING BUILDING AND AUTO
08/27/09 19:19:00 PARKING LOTS, INDUSTRIAL
08/27/09 19:19:01 GENERAL USES AND COMMERCIAL
08/27/09 19:19:05 INTENSIVE
08/27/09 19:19:05 USES.
08/27/09 19:19:06 THERE ARE SEVERAL WAIVERS
08/27/09 19:19:06 ASSOCIATED.
08/27/09 19:19:09 LET ME TALK A LITTLE BIT TO THE
08/27/09 19:19:11 CONFIGURATION TO THE SITE AND
08/27/09 19:19:14 THAT MAY MAKE WHAT I'M SAYING A
08/27/09 19:19:15 LITTLE MORE UNDERSTANDABLE.
08/27/09 19:19:15 THERE'S CURRENTLY P.D.
08/27/09 19:19:17 ON THIS SITE HERE AT THE SOUTH
08/27/09 19:19:17 END.
08/27/09 19:19:19 WHAT IS BEING BROUGHT INTO THE
08/27/09 19:19:19 P.D.
08/27/09 19:19:22 STARTS APPROXIMATELY HERE
08/27/09 19:19:23 AND
08/27/09 19:19:25 GOES TO THE NORTH.
08/27/09 19:19:27 WHAT WE'VE DONE IS BROKEN THE
08/27/09 19:19:28 SITE PLAN INTO TWO SHEETS.
08/27/09 19:19:29 SOUTH SHEET AND NORTH SHEET.
08/27/09 19:19:31 THAT'S WHAT I'M GOING TO
08/27/09 19:19:32 ANNOUNCE AND DISCUSS THE
08/27/09 19:19:32 WAIVERRINGS BEING REQUESTED AND
08/27/09 19:19:35 THEY ACTUALLY GO TO THE TWO
08/27/09 19:19:36 DIFFERENT AREAS.
08/27/09 19:19:38 THERE ARE THREE WAIVERS FOR THE
08/27/09 19:19:41 NORTH PARCEL AND THAT IS
08/27/09 19:19:41 TO
08/27/09 19:19:43 ALLOW ADDITIONAL PERIMETER
08/27/09 19:19:44 LANDSCAPING INSTEAD OF INTERIOR
08/27/09 19:19:46 LANDSCAPE ISLANDS WITH TREES
08/27/09 19:19:47 AND 20% INTERIOR GREEN SPACE
08/27/09 19:19:48 REQUIREMENT.
08/27/09 19:19:51 THE SECOND IS TO ALLOW FOR
08/27/09 19:19:53 REMOVAL OF ONE 43-INCH AND ONE
08/27/09 19:19:54 36-INCH GRAND OAK NORTH OF THE
08/27/09 19:19:57 SCALE HOUSE AND THE LAST IS TO
08/27/09 19:19:59 REDUCE THE REQUIRED DRIVE AISLE
08/27/09 19:20:00 FROM 26 TO 24 FEET.
08/27/09 19:20:02 FOR THE SOUTH PARCEL THAT WAS
08/27/09 19:20:04 THE EXISTING P.D.
08/27/09 19:20:05 PARCEL THERE WAS A WAIVER TO
08/27/09 19:20:06 WAIVE REQUIRED PARKING ON THE
08/27/09 19:20:10 SOUTH PARCEL AND ALLOW THE USE
08/27/09 19:20:11 OF EXISTING IMPERVIOUS AREAS.
08/27/09 19:20:12 THEY'RE ACTUALLY PROVIDING A
08/27/09 19:20:13 PARKING AREA ON THE NORTH
08/27/09 19:20:15 PARCEL NOW AND THIS WAIVER IS
08/27/09 19:20:15 NOT REQUIRED.
08/27/09 19:20:17 SO I'M ASKING THAT BE REMOVED.
08/27/09 19:20:20 THE SECOND IS TO INCREASE THE
08/27/09 19:20:22 HEIGHT REQUIREMENT FOR MATERIAL
08/27/09 19:20:23 STACKING FROM SIX FEET TO 90
08/27/09 19:20:26 FEET AND THE THIRD TO ALLOW FOR
08/27/09 19:20:29 THE USE OF AN EXISTING REFUSE
08/27/09 19:20:30 FACILITY LOCATED ON SITE.
08/27/09 19:20:32 THIS WAS TO ALLOW FOR USE OF
08/27/09 19:20:33 THE EXISTING DUMPSTER.
08/27/09 19:20:35 THAT IS NOT A NECESSARY WAIVER
08/27/09 19:20:35 EITHER.
08/27/09 19:20:36 WE'RE ASKING THAT ALSO BE
08/27/09 19:20:39 REMOVED IN BETWEEN FIRST AND
08/27/09 19:20:41 SECOND READING.
08/27/09 19:20:43 PUT UP THE ZONING ATLAS A
08/27/09 19:20:46 LITTLE BIT AND TALK
08/27/09 19:20:46 TO THIS.
08/27/09 19:20:49 I THINK I CAN TALK A LITTLE
08/27/09 19:20:52 BETTER
08/27/09 19:20:55 THAN I CAN READ IT.
08/27/09 19:20:56 BEEN FOR A WHILE.
08/27/09 19:20:58 WE'VE BEEN WORKING TO DO OUR
08/27/09 19:21:00 BEST TO MEET THE DESIRES OF THE
08/27/09 19:21:01 PETITIONER AND ALSO TO HAVE THE
08/27/09 19:21:04 BEST I THINK
08/27/09 19:21:06 ZONING OUT THERE
08/27/09 19:21:07 POSSIBLE.
08/27/09 19:21:10 THE ORIGINAL PD REZONING
08/27/09 19:21:10 HAD A
08/27/09 19:21:13 VACATING OF 53rd --I'M SORRY
08/27/09 19:21:14 54th.
08/27/09 19:21:16 AND THERE WAS A ROAD THAT CAME
08/27/09 19:21:18 DOWN AND THEN IT EVENTUALLY
08/27/09 19:21:20 DRAGGED OVER TO 53rd AND CAME
08/27/09 19:21:22 INTO THE ENTRY WAY.
08/27/09 19:21:23 THE PETITIONER HAS SOME DESIRES
08/27/09 19:21:25 TO MOVE A TRUCK SCALE SHOWN ON
08/27/09 19:21:27 THE CURRENT PD.
08/27/09 19:21:28 AND ALSO THE ENTRANCE OVER TO
08/27/09 19:21:31 THIS 54th AREA NOW THAT THIS
08/27/09 19:21:33 ADDITIONAL PROPERTY HAS BEEN
08/27/09 19:21:33 ACQUIRED BY THE PETITIONER.
08/27/09 19:21:35 AND IN ORDER TO DO THAT AND
08/27/09 19:21:38 UNDO THIS PD AND MAKE THE
08/27/09 19:21:39 ENTRANCE OVER HERE WE HAVE
08/27/09 19:21:42 RECOMMENDED A COMBINATION OF
08/27/09 19:21:43 THOSE LAND AREAS.
08/27/09 19:21:44 FUTURE DEVELOPMENT OF WHAT'S
08/27/09 19:21:47 GOING TO HAPPEN ON THIS NORTH
08/27/09 19:21:48 PARCEL IS STILL SOMEWHAT
08/27/09 19:21:49 UNDETERMINED.
08/27/09 19:21:52 SO WHAT THEY'RE DOING IS
08/27/09 19:21:54 LOOKING TO RETAIN THE IG AND CI
08/27/09 19:21:57 WHICH IS UP HERE
08/27/09 19:21:59 NORTH OF THIS
08/27/09 19:21:59 LINE ENTITLEMENTS AND
08/27/09 19:22:00 REGULATIONS.
08/27/09 19:22:02 SO AT THE TIME THOSE PIECES ARE
08/27/09 19:22:03 READY TO COME ONLINE.
08/27/09 19:22:04 THEY WILL HAVE TO MEET THOSE
08/27/09 19:22:07 REGULATIONS AND
08/27/09 19:22:09 THEY WOULD BE
08/27/09 19:22:09 GOVERNED BY THOSE REGULATIONS
08/27/09 19:22:11 WHICH YOU CAN SEE AT THE TOP OF
08/27/09 19:22:13 YOUR SITE PLANS I HAVE
08/27/09 19:22:13 PROVIDED.
08/27/09 19:22:15 AND YOU'LL ALSO SEE THE TRUCK
08/27/09 19:22:17 SCALE AND WHEEL WASH BEING
08/27/09 19:22:20 MOVED UP HERE AND
08/27/09 19:22:21 ALSO AN
08/27/09 19:22:23 EMPLOYEE PARKING AREA.
08/27/09 19:22:26 SHOW YOU A COUPLE PICTURES OF
08/27/09 19:22:26 THE SITE.
08/27/09 19:22:28 28-ACRE SITE IS A LITTLE BIT
08/27/09 19:22:29 DIFFICULT TO GET ON AN
08/27/09 19:22:30 INDUSTRIAL SITE DIFFICULT TO
08/27/09 19:22:34 KIND OF CAPTURE
08/27/09 19:22:34 EVERYTHING
08/27/09 19:22:35 THAT'S GOING ON.
08/27/09 19:22:38 I'M SURE HE WILL ALSO HAVE SOME
08/27/09 19:22:38 PICTURES.
08/27/09 19:22:39 THIS IS LOOKING NORTH TOWARD
08/27/09 19:22:40 BROADWAY AND THE NORTHERN
08/27/09 19:22:42 PARCEL WHICH HAS THE CI AT THE
08/27/09 19:22:43 FRONT OF IT AND THIS WOULD BE
08/27/09 19:22:45 PART OF THE NEW DRIVEWAY COMING
08/27/09 19:22:45 IN.
08/27/09 19:22:47 YOU CAN SEE THERE IS SOME
08/27/09 19:22:48 MASONRY WALL CURRENTLY LOCATED
08/27/09 19:22:51 ON THE WEST OF
08/27/09 19:22:54 THAT
08/27/09 19:22:55 PARCEL.
08/27/09 19:22:56 LOOKING INTO THE PARCEL.
08/27/09 19:22:58 HEAVILY TREED SITE.
08/27/09 19:22:59 YOU'LL SEE THIS IS ALSO LOOKING
08/27/09 19:23:02 NEWS , WEATHER ,
08/27/09 19:23:03 LOOKING
08/27/09 19:23:06 NORTH FROM A LITTLE DEEPER IN
08/27/09 19:23:08 FROM THE NEW NORTH PARCEL.
08/27/09 19:23:10 THIS IS A LOOK FROM THAT NORTH
08/27/09 19:23:12 PARCEL WHERE YOU CAN SEE
08/27/09 19:23:15 STACKING OCCURRING IN THE
08/27/09 19:23:16 MATERIALS THAT'S GOING ON.
08/27/09 19:23:17 >> MOUNTAINS.
08/27/09 19:23:20 >> ON THE SOUTHERN
08/27/09 19:23:20 PARCEL
08/27/09 19:23:23 LOOKING NORTH UP 53rd
08/27/09 19:23:25 FROM THE
08/27/09 19:23:26 CURRENT WHEEL WASH AREA FROM
08/27/09 19:23:28 THE TRUCK STOP WHEN THEY COCOME
08/27/09 19:23:29 IN.
08/27/09 19:23:32 SOME OF THE
08/27/09 19:23:35 INDUSTRIAL
08/27/09 19:23:37 OPERATIONS OCCURRING ON SITE.
08/27/09 19:23:40 THIS IS A BERM LOCATED ALONG
08/27/09 19:23:43 THE
08/27/09 19:23:45 NORTHWEST SIDE, A 30-FOOT
08/27/09 19:23:45 BUFFER.
08/27/09 19:23:48 SOME OTHER
08/27/09 19:23:51 PICTURES OF THE
08/27/09 19:23:52 OPERATION.
08/27/09 19:23:52 A LOT OF AGGREGATE.
08/27/09 19:23:53 ACTUALLY MYSELF AND KATHY WENT
08/27/09 19:23:55 FOR A TOUR OF THE SITE TO
08/27/09 19:23:58 BETTER UNDERSTAND ACTUALLY
08/27/09 19:24:00 THEIR OPERATION AND HOW THEY DO
08/27/09 19:24:00 WHAT THEY DO.
08/27/09 19:24:03 THIS IS GOING INTO THE SITE
08/27/09 19:24:04 OFF
08/27/09 19:24:07 OF 53rd
08/27/09 19:24:10 WHERE
08/27/09 19:24:14 THE CURRENT
08/27/09 19:24:17 ENTRANCE IS.
08/27/09 19:24:20 I WOULD LIKE TO GO OVER
08/27/09 19:24:21 BRIEFLY, THIS IS A VERY LARGE
08/27/09 19:24:22 PROJECT.
08/27/09 19:24:23 AS I MENTIONED THEY ARE LOOKING
08/27/09 19:24:25 TO RETAIN THE CI ALONG BROADWAY
08/27/09 19:24:28 AND THE IG THAT IS CURRENTLY
08/27/09 19:24:30 IG, BUT THEY ARE LOOKING TO
08/27/09 19:24:32 MARRY THIS INTO ONE PD SO THAT
08/27/09 19:24:35 IT IS
08/27/09 19:24:38 FUNCTIONING AS ONE
08/27/09 19:24:38 DEVELOPMENT SITE.
08/27/09 19:24:41 THERE ARE OVER 253 TREES ON THE
08/27/09 19:24:42 SITE INCLUDING FOUR GRAND.
08/27/09 19:24:44 AND THERE IS A WAIVER ON THE
08/27/09 19:24:47 SITE PLAN TO REMOVE TWO OF
08/27/09 19:24:50 THOSE FOUR WHICH HAS OBJECTIONS
08/27/09 19:24:52 FROM PARKS AND RECREATION
08/27/09 19:24:53 DEPARTMENT.
08/27/09 19:24:54 IN RELATION TO LAND DEVELOPMENT
08/27/09 19:24:57 COORDINATION WE
08/27/09 19:24:58 HAVE SOME
08/27/09 19:24:59 CONCERNS RELATED TO THE
08/27/09 19:25:01 STACKING HEIGHT AND WHAT'S
08/27/09 19:25:03 BEING REQUESTED AT 90 FEET.
08/27/09 19:25:06 OPEN STORAGE HAS A
08/27/09 19:25:08 STACKING
08/27/09 19:25:10 HEIGHT OF SIX FEET.
08/27/09 19:25:11 IF YOU'LL REMEMBER RECENTLY A
08/27/09 19:25:12 TEXT AMENDMENT CAME INTO THE
08/27/09 19:25:15 CODE FROM THE PORT AUTHORITY
08/27/09 19:25:18 TO
08/27/09 19:25:20 INCREASE STACKING TO 90 FEET.
08/27/09 19:25:21 AND THAT WAS APPROVED AND IS
08/27/09 19:25:24 NOW IN THE CODE FOR
08/27/09 19:25:25 CODE
08/27/09 19:25:26 OPERATIONS TO BE AT 90 FEET FOR
08/27/09 19:25:26 STACK HEIGHT.
08/27/09 19:25:28 THEY HAVE A MIXTURE OF THE PORT
08/27/09 19:25:31 OF LOOSE AGGREGATE CONTAINERS
08/27/09 19:25:34 AND OFTEN IT'S MOVED QUICKLY ON
08/27/09 19:25:34 AND OFF.
08/27/09 19:25:37 SO WHAT I PUT TOGETHER IS JUST
08/27/09 19:25:39 THIS IS ACTUALLY WHAT KATHY
08/27/09 19:25:42 USED WHEN SHE CAME BEFORE YOU
08/27/09 19:25:43 TO DISCUSS THOSE.
08/27/09 19:25:44 WHAT'S BEING CONTEMPLATED RIGHT
08/27/09 19:25:47 NOW IN THE IH WHICH
08/27/09 19:25:48 IS THE
08/27/09 19:25:49 INDUSTRIAL HEAVY PORTION OF THE
08/27/09 19:25:52 CODE WOULD BE TO
08/27/09 19:25:54 ALLOW STACKING
08/27/09 19:25:55 AT A 45-FOOT HEIGHT.
08/27/09 19:25:57 BUT IT WOULD REQUIRE THAT THOSE
08/27/09 19:25:59 STACKS BE STACKED BACK OR SET
08/27/09 19:26:01 BACK OFF OF THE PROPERTY LINE.
08/27/09 19:26:03 AND ALSO THAT THEY HAVE A
08/27/09 19:26:05 MASONRY WALL OR OTHER SORT OF
08/27/09 19:26:05 BUFFER.
08/27/09 19:26:07 SO QUICKLY LIKE TO RUN THROUGH
08/27/09 19:26:08 A COUPLE OF THE LINE VISIBILITY
08/27/09 19:26:12 SO YOU CAN
08/27/09 19:26:15 SEE
08/27/09 19:26:18 WHAT WE'RE
08/27/09 19:26:20 TALKING ABOUT.
08/27/09 19:26:23 THIS IF YOU CAN READ
08/27/09 19:26:24 AT THE
08/27/09 19:26:26 BOTTOM STILL RESIDENTIAL.
08/27/09 19:26:27 SIX FOOT PERSON STANDING TEN
08/27/09 19:26:28 FOOT OFF A SIX FOOT MASONRY
08/27/09 19:26:30 WALL AND THIS IS A STACKING
08/27/09 19:26:31 HEIGHT OF SIX FEET.
08/27/09 19:26:34 THREE FEET OFF OF THAT WALL.
08/27/09 19:26:37 SO YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE IS
08/27/09 19:26:40 VISIBLY LITTLE
08/27/09 19:26:43 THAT
08/27/09 19:26:44 YOU WOULD
08/27/09 19:26:45 SEE THERE.
08/27/09 19:26:47 THIS IS THAT SAME SIX FOOT
08/27/09 19:26:49 PERSON AT 20 FEET OFF AN EIGHT
08/27/09 19:26:51 FOOT WALL WITH A STACKING
08/27/09 19:26:53 HEIGHT OF 40 FEET.
08/27/09 19:26:54 GIVES YOU AN IDEA LINE OF SITE
08/27/09 19:26:55 WHAT YOU'RE ACTUALLY SEEING
08/27/09 19:26:57 WHEN THE STACKS ARE GOING UP.
08/27/09 19:27:00 AND THIS STACK
08/27/09 19:27:03 IS 20 FEET OFF
08/27/09 19:27:03 OF THE WALL.
08/27/09 19:27:05 WHAT THE PETITIONER IS
08/27/09 19:27:06 PROPOSING THERE IS NO SETBACK.
08/27/09 19:27:07 THEY ARE PROPOSING THIS WOULD
08/27/09 19:27:10 ONLY BE ON THE SOUTH PORTION
08/27/09 19:27:11 OF
08/27/09 19:27:12 THE SITE WHERE THE RECYCLING
08/27/09 19:27:15 BUILDING AND AUTO OPERATIONS
08/27/09 19:27:17 ARE OCCURRING, HOWEVER IT COULD
08/27/09 19:27:21 BE AT POTENTIALLY A ZERO FOOT
08/27/09 19:27:22 SET BACK WHICH RESULTS
08/27/09 19:27:23 TREMENDOUS CONCERN FOR STAFF AS
08/27/09 19:27:26 TO HOW THESE PILES COULD
08/27/09 19:27:29 DEFINITELY EFFECT THE ADJACENT
08/27/09 19:27:29 PROPERTY OWNERS.
08/27/09 19:27:32 >> ISN'T THE SOUTH
08/27/09 19:27:33 SIDE THE
08/27/09 19:27:33 RAILROAD TRACKS?
08/27/09 19:27:35 >> PART OF THE SOUTH SIDE IS
08/27/09 19:27:36 THE RAILROAD TRACKS.
08/27/09 19:27:38 BUT YOU'LL SEE IF I CAN STICK
08/27/09 19:27:41 THIS OVER MY LITTLE GUY HERE
08/27/09 19:27:44 THERE'S A PROPERTY OWNER HERE,
08/27/09 19:27:47 THERE'S A
08/27/09 19:27:49 SEPARATE PROPERTY
08/27/09 19:27:50 OWNER HERE.
08/27/09 19:27:50 THERE'S ANOTHER PROPERTY OWNER
08/27/09 19:27:52 HERE AND THAT'S ALL PART OF
08/27/09 19:27:53 THAT SOUTH PARCEL WHERE THE
08/27/09 19:27:56 STACKING COULD OCCUR AS
08/27/09 19:27:59 WELL AS
08/27/09 19:28:00 I BELIEVE HERE.
08/27/09 19:28:01 WHICH THIS IS AN IG RIGHT NOW
08/27/09 19:28:04 SO IT WOULD ALLOW FOR OPEN
08/27/09 19:28:06 STORAGE, BUT THROUGH THE PD AND
08/27/09 19:28:07 BRINGING THAT INTO THE PD
08/27/09 19:28:10 THEY'RE NOW ASKING FOR
08/27/09 19:28:10 THAT
08/27/09 19:28:13 WAIVER REQUEST.
08/27/09 19:28:22 JUST WANTED TO SHOW ONE OR TWO
08/27/09 19:28:23 MORE OF THESE.
08/27/09 19:28:24 THIS IS A SIX FOOT PERSON AT A
08/27/09 19:28:26 FIVE FOOT SET BACK WITH AN
08/27/09 19:28:29 EIGHT FOOT WALL FIVE FEET AND
08/27/09 19:28:29 20-FOOT TALL STACK.
08/27/09 19:28:31 IF YOU CAN AGAIN SEE THE LINE
08/27/09 19:28:34 OF SIGHT IN WHICH YOU WOULD BE
08/27/09 19:28:35 STANDING AT FIVE FOOT.
08/27/09 19:28:36 IF YOU WERE STANDING FURTHER
08/27/09 19:28:37 BACK YOU WOULD BE ANTIBIOTIC TO
08/27/09 19:28:40 SEE MORE ABOVE THAT WALL
08/27/09 19:28:40 PORTION.
08/27/09 19:28:43 I THINK I MADE
08/27/09 19:28:45 THE POINT
08/27/09 19:28:46 RELATED TO THAT.
08/27/09 19:28:47 WE WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THE
08/27/09 19:28:48 PETITIONER GO BACK AND REVISIT
08/27/09 19:28:52 THIS ASPECT OF THE REQUEST
08/27/09 19:28:52 AND
08/27/09 19:28:56 CONSIDER LOOKING AT EITHER
08/27/09 19:28:58 PROVIDING A BUFFER.
08/27/09 19:29:01 LET ME GO BACK I PREVIOUSLY
08/27/09 19:29:03 REFERRED TO THIS 30-FOOT BUFFER
08/27/09 19:29:04 HERE AND THAT IS STILL THERE
08/27/09 19:29:06 ALONG THIS PORTION ON THE SITE
08/27/09 19:29:07 PLAN.
08/27/09 19:29:09 SO THAT WOULD BE 30 FEET UNTIL
08/27/09 19:29:10 ANYTHING COULD START.
08/27/09 19:29:13 BUT THAT IS NOT THE CASE ON
08/27/09 19:29:19 THE
08/27/09 19:29:21 OTHER SIDES OF THAT.
08/27/09 19:29:23 MY OTHER COMMENTS RELATED TO
08/27/09 19:29:25 THIS WERE THERE WERE JUST SOME
08/27/09 19:29:27 MISLABELING THINGS SHOWN ON THE
08/27/09 19:29:30 SITE PLAN AS IH OR IG THAT WERE
08/27/09 19:29:33 CI OR C1 THAT NEEDED TO BE
08/27/09 19:29:33 CLEANED UP.
08/27/09 19:29:35 I UNDERSTAND AND WE DID WORK
08/27/09 19:29:37 WITH THE PETITIONER TO TRY TO
08/27/09 19:29:41 KIND OF VEST THOSE IG AND CI
08/27/09 19:29:42 USES WHERE THEY CURRENTLY ARE,
08/27/09 19:29:43 ADDRESS THE OPERATIONS TO THE
08/27/09 19:29:46 SOUTH AND MODIFICATIONS THAT
08/27/09 19:29:49 THEY WERE LOOKING TO DO.
08/27/09 19:29:49 MARY HAS SOME ADDITIONAL
08/27/09 19:29:52 COMMENTS RELATED TO THE SITE
08/27/09 19:29:55 PLAN AND THE REMOVAL OF
08/27/09 19:29:55 THE
08/27/09 19:29:56 GRAND TREE.
08/27/09 19:29:57 OBVIOUSLY AN OBJECTION FROM HER
08/27/09 19:29:59 AND PARKS AND RECREATION
08/27/09 19:30:00 CONCERNING THAT.
08/27/09 19:30:01 SOLID WASTE HAD A COUPLE
08/27/09 19:30:04 MODIFICATIONS THAT NEEDED
08/27/09 19:30:05 TO BE
08/27/09 19:30:05 MADE.
08/27/09 19:30:06 AND SO DID TRANSPORTATION IN
08/27/09 19:30:08 RELATION TO THE T TYPE TURN
08/27/09 19:30:10 AROUND SHOWN ON 53rd THAT WOULD
08/27/09 19:30:13 NEED TO BE REWORKED A LITTLE
08/27/09 19:30:14 BIT.
08/27/09 19:30:16 AND LASTLY THE USE OF GO WEB IN
08/27/09 19:30:17 THE PARKING AREA AND THAT THEY
08/27/09 19:30:19 WOULD LIKE TO SEE TURF BLOCK OR
08/27/09 19:30:21 RIVER ROCK INSTEAD OF THAT.
08/27/09 19:30:23 THE LAST THING WAS FROM OUR
08/27/09 19:30:24 RIGHT-OF-WAY DIVISION THAT
08/27/09 19:30:25 THERE IS AN EASEMENT ON THE
08/27/09 19:30:28 PORTION OF THE SITE AND THAT
08/27/09 19:30:30 SHOULD PROBABLY BE RELEASED FOR
08/27/09 19:30:33 THE POND ENCOACHS INTO IT ON
08/27/09 19:30:35 THE VACATED PORTION OF 55th AND
08/27/09 19:30:38 THAT THE EASEMENT SHOULD
08/27/09 19:30:41 BE
08/27/09 19:30:44 LABELED AS A EASEMENT.
08/27/09 19:30:44 THIS IS PRODOMINANTLY
08/27/09 19:30:45 INDUSTRIAL PORTION OF THE CITY.
08/27/09 19:30:48 I KNOW THAT THIS
08/27/09 19:30:49 WAS REZONED
08/27/09 19:30:52 YEARS AGO AND IT
08/27/09 19:30:53 WAS RECOGNIZED
08/27/09 19:30:56 FOR THE THE OPERATIONS THEY'RE
08/27/09 19:30:59 CURRENTLY RUNNING THERE TODAY.
08/27/09 19:31:01 DUE TO THIS ACQUISITION IT WAS
08/27/09 19:31:02 STAFF SUGGESTION THAT WE GO
08/27/09 19:31:05 AHEAD AND MARRY THESE TWO
08/27/09 19:31:06 TOGETHER.
08/27/09 19:31:08 SO THIS IS OPERATING AS ONE
08/27/09 19:31:10 LARGER DEVELOPMENT INSTEAD OF
08/27/09 19:31:12 HAVING DIFFERENT REGULATIONS
08/27/09 19:31:14 FOR THE DIFFERENT PIECES AND
08/27/09 19:31:16 THEN KIND OF NOT RECOGNIZING
08/27/09 19:31:16 ONE ANOTHER.
08/27/09 19:31:18 STAFF IS AVAILABLE FOR ANY
08/27/09 19:31:19 QUESTIONS.
08/27/09 19:31:19 >> THANK YOU.
08/27/09 19:31:22 I HAVE
08/27/09 19:31:25 A QUESTION FOR
08/27/09 19:31:26 MARY.
08/27/09 19:31:27 IT'S ABOUT THE GRAND TREES.
08/27/09 19:31:29 THE SOUTHERLY PORTION OF THIS
08/27/09 19:31:32 PROPERTY,
08/27/09 19:31:33 WASN'T THAT
08/27/09 19:31:35 ORIGINALLY HEAVILY TREED?
08/27/09 19:31:36 >> YES, THAT WAS.
08/27/09 19:31:37 THAT'S A SEPARATE ACTION FROM
08/27/09 19:31:39 THIS CASE THAT HAS BEEN TAKEN
08/27/09 19:31:40 CARE OF.
08/27/09 19:31:42 >> IN OTHER WORDS THEY LEGALLY
08/27/09 19:31:43 REMOVED --
08/27/09 19:31:46 >> I THINK IT WOULD PROBABLY BE
08/27/09 19:31:47 INAPPROPRIATE.
08/27/09 19:31:48 >> BUT THE POINT IS THEY'RE
08/27/09 19:31:51 ASKING
08/27/09 19:31:52 TO REMOVE MORE GRAND
08/27/09 19:31:52 TREES.
08/27/09 19:31:53 COULD YOU TELL US ABOUT THE
08/27/09 19:31:55 TREES THEY'RE ASKING FOR A
08/27/09 19:31:56 WAIVER TO REMOVE?
08/27/09 19:31:57 >> THERE IS ONE TREE NUMBER 43
08/27/09 19:32:00 THAT'S IN THE MIDDLE OF THE
08/27/09 19:32:02 SCALE THAT THEY'RE ASKING TO
08/27/09 19:32:02 REMOVE.
08/27/09 19:32:04 IT'S NOT A HAZARDOUS TREE SO
08/27/09 19:32:06 WE'RE OBJECTING TO THAT THE
08/27/09 19:32:07 REMOVAL OF THAT SPECIFIC TREE.
08/27/09 19:32:10 THERE ARE A COUPLE OTHER TREES
08/27/09 19:32:12 THAT ARE DECLINING THAT WE'RE
08/27/09 19:32:14 NOT OBJECTING TO, BUT WE ARE
08/27/09 19:32:16 OBJECTING TO THE HEALTHY TREE.
08/27/09 19:32:17 >> DID YOU SUGGEST THAT MAYBE
08/27/09 19:32:19 THE 43-INCH ONE THAT'S IN GOOD
08/27/09 19:32:22 SHAPE THAT THEY PUT THE SCALE
08/27/09 19:32:25 SOMEWHERE ELSE GIVEN THEY HAVE
08/27/09 19:32:26 23-ACRES?
08/27/09 19:32:27 >> WE DID.
08/27/09 19:32:30 AND THEY DID MAKE ATTEMPT TO
08/27/09 19:32:32 REDESIGN THE SITE TO
08/27/09 19:32:33 ACCOMMODATE THAT.
08/27/09 19:32:36 WE'RE NOT ABLE TO
08/27/09 19:32:38 DO SO.
08/27/09 19:32:41 >> ON THE
08/27/09 19:32:43 23-ACRES?
08/27/09 19:32:46 >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
08/27/09 19:32:47 >> PLANNING COMMISSION.
08/27/09 19:32:50 >> THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN.
08/27/09 19:32:51 TONY GARCIA PLANNING COMMISSION
08/27/09 19:32:51 STAFF.
08/27/09 19:32:52 I HAVE BEEN SWORN.
08/27/09 19:32:53 I MIGHT BE ABLE TO GIVE YOU A
08/27/09 19:32:56 LITTLE MORE HISTORY
08/27/09 19:32:58 ON THE SITE
08/27/09 19:32:58 VERY QUICKLY.
08/27/09 19:33:01 THIS IS ONE OF THE PIECES AS
08/27/09 19:33:03 ALREADY STATED TO YOU THIS
08/27/09 19:33:05 ORIGINALLY CAME IN IN TWO
08/27/09 19:33:05 PIECES.
08/27/09 19:33:08 ONE LIKE THIS
08/27/09 19:33:10 AND ONE LIKE
08/27/09 19:33:10 THIS.
08/27/09 19:33:12 BASICALLY THROUGH DISCUSSIONS
08/27/09 19:33:14 WITH STAFF WE RECOMMENDED THEY
08/27/09 19:33:17 DID --WOULD COME FORWARD AND
08/27/09 19:33:19 MARRY THE TWO PARCELS TOGETHER
08/27/09 19:33:20 BECAUSE THIS WAY THERE'S JUST
08/27/09 19:33:22 TOO MANY MOVING PARTS BASED ON
08/27/09 19:33:23 THE REQUEST.
08/27/09 19:33:24 THE REQUEST REALLY FOR THIS ONE
08/27/09 19:33:26 IS FOR THIS ONE SEPARATELY WAS
08/27/09 19:33:29 TO ADD THE WEIGH STATION AND
08/27/09 19:33:30 ACCESS OF COURSE.
08/27/09 19:33:31 BUT THEN WE THOUGHT YOU'RE
08/27/09 19:33:32 GOING TO HAVE EXISTING BUSINESS
08/27/09 19:33:33 OVER HERE SO WE DIDN'T
08/27/09 19:33:34 UNDERSTAND WHY THEY JUST DIDN'T
08/27/09 19:33:36 WANT TO MARRY THEM OVER AND
08/27/09 19:33:39 MUCH MORE CLEANLY AS FAR AS THE
08/27/09 19:33:40 REQUEST.
08/27/09 19:33:42 YOU ALREADY HAVE THIS EXISTING
08/27/09 19:33:44 OPERATION APPROVED BY THIS
08/27/09 19:33:45 COUNCIL SEVERAL YEARS AGO.
08/27/09 19:33:46 AND BEFORE THAT LIGHT
08/27/09 19:33:47 INDUSTRIAL ABOUT SIX YEARS AGO
08/27/09 19:33:49 AND WE WENT AHEAD AND DID A
08/27/09 19:33:51 PLAN AMENDMENT APPROVED BY THIS
08/27/09 19:33:52 BODY HEAVY INDUSTRIAL OVER
08/27/09 19:33:52 HERE.
08/27/09 19:33:54 A FACT THAT YOU NEED TO ALSO BE
08/27/09 19:33:55 AWARE OF AND WE CAN SEE THIS
08/27/09 19:33:57 OUTLINE AREA, THIS IS LIGHT
08/27/09 19:33:58 INDUSTRIAL STILL OVER HERE.
08/27/09 19:34:01 AND IF I SHOW YOU THIS AERIAL
08/27/09 19:34:03 HERE, THIS IS ADJACENT TO A
08/27/09 19:34:04 TRAILER PARK OVER HERE.
08/27/09 19:34:07 SO WE WANT TO BE SURE THAT THE
08/27/09 19:34:08 USE THAT IS BASICALLY APPROVED
08/27/09 19:34:12 OVER HERE WHICH IS HEAVIER USE
08/27/09 19:34:14 ALTHOUGH GOING TO COME UNDER PD
08/27/09 19:34:15 STACKING DOES NOT OCCUR TO
08/27/09 19:34:16 WHATEVER'S GOING TO BE
08/27/09 19:34:18 NEGOTIATED WITH THIS BODY BY
08/27/09 19:34:20 THE APPLICANT WHETHER IT'S 45
08/27/09 19:34:23 FEET OR 90 FEET OR 10 FEET OR
08/27/09 19:34:24 WHATEVER.
08/27/09 19:34:26 IT'S GOT TO BE SENSITIVE TO THE
08/27/09 19:34:26 PROXIMITY TO THE RESIDENTIAL
08/27/09 19:34:27 USE AND TO THE OWNER TO THE
08/27/09 19:34:30 SOUTH OVER HERE AND THE OWNER
08/27/09 19:34:31 OVER HERE.
08/27/09 19:34:32 IT'S 28-ACRES.
08/27/09 19:34:34 SO THERE IS OPPORTUNITY OVER
08/27/09 19:34:37 HERE AS FAR AS
08/27/09 19:34:38 AGGREGATE'S
08/27/09 19:34:38 CONCERNED.
08/27/09 19:34:41 SHE STATED TO BE ABLE USE
08/27/09 19:34:43 ANOTHER AERIAL SO YOU CAN SEE
08/27/09 19:34:44 THAT.
08/27/09 19:34:45 THIS SOUTHERN PART OVER HERE OF
08/27/09 19:34:47 THE PROPERTY WHICH IS REALLY IN
08/27/09 19:34:49 CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THE RAIL
08/27/09 19:34:51 LINE HAVE A SPUR THAT GOES OFF
08/27/09 19:34:53 WHERE THEY CAN ACCESS THAT
08/27/09 19:34:54 LINE, THIS IS TOWARD THE MIDDLE
08/27/09 19:34:56 TO THE REAR PROBABLY WHERE THEY
08/27/09 19:34:58 NEED TO CONCENTRATE THE HIGHEST
08/27/09 19:35:00 PART OF THE AGGREGATE.
08/27/09 19:35:03 FARTHEST DISTANCE AWAY FROM THE
08/27/09 19:35:06 EFFECTED PROPERTY AND ADJACENT
08/27/09 19:35:06 PROPERTY.
08/27/09 19:35:07 SIGNIFICANT PIECE OF PROPERTY.
08/27/09 19:35:08 I THINK IF YOU WERE TO SCALE
08/27/09 19:35:10 THIS OUT IT WOULD BE MUCH
08/27/09 19:35:11 FARTHER THAN 90 FEET.
08/27/09 19:35:14 IT IS A PRETTY BIG PIECE OF
08/27/09 19:35:16 PROPERTY AS SHE ALLUDED TO.
08/27/09 19:35:19 SO IF THEY CAN FOCUS THEIR
08/27/09 19:35:20 STACKING TO WHATEVER THE
08/27/09 19:35:22 NEGOTIATED HEIGHT IS BY THIS
08/27/09 19:35:23 BODY THIS EVENING OR WHENEVER
08/27/09 19:35:26 THAT MIGHT BE, MIGHT BE ABLE TO
08/27/09 19:35:29 COME TO
08/27/09 19:35:30 SOME TYPE OF MUTUALLY
08/27/09 19:35:33 AGREE BL
08/27/09 19:35:36 SITUATION ON THIS
08/27/09 19:35:36 PARCEL.
08/27/09 19:35:37 LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, HEAVY
08/27/09 19:35:38 INDUSTRIAL, THIS IS TRANSITION
08/27/09 19:35:40 WHICH ALLOWS FOR CONSIDERATION
08/27/09 19:35:43 OF THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL,
08/27/09 19:35:44 COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE.
08/27/09 19:35:45 YOU HAVE AN EXISTING RECYCLING
08/27/09 19:35:46 USE ALREADY ON THE SITE.
08/27/09 19:35:49 REALLY THIS IS TO MARRY THE GO
08/27/09 19:35:51 PIECES AND ALLOW USES TO
08/27/09 19:35:53 SUPPORT THE EXISTING RECYCLING
08/27/09 19:35:53 BUSINESS OVER HERE.
08/27/09 19:35:54 BASED ON THE REQUEST OF COURSE
08/27/09 19:35:55 YOU HAVE THE TEMPORARY USE
08/27/09 19:35:58 WHICH IS GOING TO GO UP AND
08/27/09 19:35:59 DOWN BASED ON WHEN THAT
08/27/09 19:36:01 RECYCLING STUFF IS GOING TO
08/27/09 19:36:01 APPEAR AND DISAPPEAR.
08/27/09 19:36:04 THAT'S JUST TO MAKE SURE THE
08/27/09 19:36:05 RECYCLING BUSINESS.
08/27/09 19:36:07 BUT BASED ON HOW THAT'S GOING
08/27/09 19:36:09 TO BASICALLY CHANGE OVER
08/27/09 19:36:11 WHETHER A 48 HOUR PERIOD OR
08/27/09 19:36:12 SEVEN DAY PERIOD I DON'T KNOW
08/27/09 19:36:15 HOW LONG IT TAKES TO GET RID
08/27/09 19:36:16 OF
08/27/09 19:36:17 THE STACKS.
08/27/09 19:36:20 THAT'S AN ISSUE YOU'LL HAVE TO
08/27/09 19:36:20 ASK THE APPLICANT.
08/27/09 19:36:22 WHERE IT'S RELATED ON THE
08/27/09 19:36:25 PROPOSED REQUEST CONSISTENT
08/27/09 19:36:28 WITH THE
08/27/09 19:36:31 PLAN.
08/27/09 19:36:34 >> ANY
08/27/09 19:36:35 QUESTIONS?
08/27/09 19:36:36 >> THANK YOU.
08/27/09 19:36:36 APPLICANT.
08/27/09 19:36:37 >> GOOD EVENING.
08/27/09 19:36:40 I HAVE NOT TAKEN THE OATH THIS
08/27/09 19:36:40 EVENING.
08/27/09 19:36:41 I NEED TO BE SWORN.
08/27/09 19:36:44 >> ARE YOU GOING TO TELL
08/27/09 19:36:44 THE
08/27/09 19:36:45 TRUTH?
08/27/09 19:36:45 >> EVERY TIME.
08/27/09 19:36:48 >> ANYONE ELSE HASN'T BEEN
08/27/09 19:36:49 SWORN?
08/27/09 19:36:52 PLEASE STAND AND BE SWORN.
08/27/09 19:36:52 ANYONE ELSE?
08/27/09 19:36:54 >> SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH,
08/27/09 19:36:56 WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE
08/27/09 19:36:56 TRUTH?
08/27/09 19:36:57 >> I DO.
08/27/09 19:37:00 I MAY FOR
08/27/09 19:37:03 A MOMENT
08/27/09 19:37:06 GET THE
08/27/09 19:37:09 EASEL SET
08/27/09 19:37:14 UP.
08/27/09 19:37:17 >> RIGHT BEHIND YOU.
08/27/09 19:37:31 >> I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE
08/27/09 19:37:34 OUR ENGINEER OF
08/27/09 19:37:35 RECORD.
08/27/09 19:37:35 PAUL SEATED BEHIND ME.
08/27/09 19:37:36 ALSO CAN DISVICE PRESIDENT WITH
08/27/09 19:37:39 KIM MINCE
08/27/09 19:37:44 WITH US THIS EVENING.
08/27/09 19:37:47 FUNDAMENTAL WHEN YOU'RE
08/27/09 19:37:48 ADDRESSING A REZONING TO
08/27/09 19:37:48 UNDERSTAND WHAT THE APPLICANT
08/27/09 19:37:50 IS DOING WITH THE PROPERTY
08/27/09 19:37:53 WHETHER IT'S A RESTAURANT,
08/27/09 19:37:57 MEDICAL OFFICE OR HOUSE.
08/27/09 19:38:00 KIMMINS IS LOCATED IN A
08/27/09 19:38:01 RECYCLING OF CONCRETE AND
08/27/09 19:38:01 METAL.
08/27/09 19:38:04 TO KEEP THEM IN THE MARKETPLACE
08/27/09 19:38:05 AND TO AVOID LANDFILLING.
08/27/09 19:38:08 THEY PROVIDE A VERY INTERESTING
08/27/09 19:38:08 BUSINESS.
08/27/09 19:38:10 FOR INSTANCE THE TAMPA MUSEUM
08/27/09 19:38:11 RECENTLY DEMOLISHED, THEY DID
08/27/09 19:38:12 THE DEMOLITION OF THAT MUSEUM
08/27/09 19:38:15 AND ALL OF THE CONCRETE WAS
08/27/09 19:38:17 TAKEN TO THIS PROPERTY.
08/27/09 19:38:20 IT WAS CRUSHED INTO VARIOUS
08/27/09 19:38:23 SIZES OF AGO REGAIT USED IN THE
08/27/09 19:38:26 CONSTRUCTION BUSINESS
08/27/09 19:38:27 ROAD OR
08/27/09 19:38:28 UTILITY CONSTRUCTION.
08/27/09 19:38:30 THE METAL IS PULLED OUT OF THE
08/27/09 19:38:32 DEMOLITION DEBRIS AND THAT IS
08/27/09 19:38:33 LOADED ON THE RAIL CAR YOU SEE
08/27/09 19:38:34 ON THE SOUTHERN PORTION OF THE
08/27/09 19:38:37 SITE AND THAT IS TAKEN FOR
08/27/09 19:38:38 METAL RECYCLING.
08/27/09 19:38:39 THEY PROVIDE A VERY INTERESTING
08/27/09 19:38:40 BUSINESS.
08/27/09 19:38:43 TO GIVE YOU DYNAMIC OF THE
08/27/09 19:38:46 NUMBER OF THE TONS OF MATERIAL
08/27/09 19:38:48 MOVED THROUGH THIS SITE THEY
08/27/09 19:38:50 PROCESS APPROXIMATELY 200,000
08/27/09 19:38:51 TONS OF CONCRETE AND 20,000
08/27/09 19:38:55 TONS OF SCRAP
08/27/09 19:38:57 METAL ON AN
08/27/09 19:38:58 ANNUAL BASIS.
08/27/09 19:39:00 THEY HAVE A WEBSITE THAT
08/27/09 19:39:01 PROVIDES SPECIFICATIONS ON WHAT
08/27/09 19:39:01 THEY DO.
08/27/09 19:39:03 I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE YOU ONE ON
08/27/09 19:39:05 EACH SIDE OF THE DICE SO YOU
08/27/09 19:39:06 CAN CIRCULATE IT AND UNDERSTAND
08/27/09 19:39:07 WHAT THEY'RE DOING WITH THE
08/27/09 19:39:07 PROPERTY.
08/27/09 19:39:10 AND THEN A LOT OF THE REQUESTS
08/27/09 19:39:11 AND ASKING AND WAIVERS WILL
08/27/09 19:39:15 CLEARLY
08/27/09 19:39:18 COME
08/27/09 19:39:21 INTO
08/27/09 19:39:22 FOCUS FOR YOU.
08/27/09 19:39:25 IF ONE OF THESE COULD BE FILED
08/27/09 19:39:28 ON RECORD
08/27/09 19:39:31 I WOULD APPRECIATE
08/27/09 19:39:31 IT.
08/27/09 19:39:33 >> THERE ARE A FEW MOVING PARTS
08/27/09 19:39:34 IN THIS PROJECT.
08/27/09 19:39:36 I WOULD LIKE TO EXPLAIN THAT
08/27/09 19:39:39 THE SITE IS EAST OF THE
08/27/09 19:39:42 INTERSECTION OF
08/27/09 19:39:43 BROADWAY AND
08/27/09 19:39:44 HIGHWAY 41.
08/27/09 19:39:45 WE HAVE PRIMARY ENTERING THE
08/27/09 19:39:48 SITE RIGHT NOW AT 53rd STREET.
08/27/09 19:39:51 THERE IS SOME RESIDENTIAL AT
08/27/09 19:39:52 53rd.
08/27/09 19:39:54 WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMMODATE
08/27/09 19:39:55 RESIDENTIAL AT 53.
08/27/09 19:39:56 VACATED 54th AND THAT WILL BE
08/27/09 19:39:59 THE NEW ENTRANCE TO THE SITE.
08/27/09 19:40:02 SO IF YOU EVER SEE A KIMMINS
08/27/09 19:40:03 LARGE TRUCK ON THE
08/27/09 19:40:04 STREETCARLYING DEMOLITION
08/27/09 19:40:07 DEBRIS IT'S COMING TO THIS SITE
08/27/09 19:40:09 AND NO LONGER ENTER ON 53rd, IT
08/27/09 19:40:10 WILL ENTER ON 54th AND COME
08/27/09 19:40:12 INTO A WEIGH STATION WHERE THE
08/27/09 19:40:15 TRUCK IS WEIGHED COMING IN,
08/27/09 19:40:17 COMES IN, DUMPS THE DEBRIS AND
08/27/09 19:40:18 THEN LEAVES AGAIN AND WEIGHED
08/27/09 19:40:19 AGAIN AND OBVIOUSLY THE
08/27/09 19:40:22 DIFFERENCE IS THE AMOUNT OF
08/27/09 19:40:25 DEMOLITION DEBRIS WHEN
08/27/09 19:40:26 ENTERED
08/27/09 19:40:27 THE SITE THEREFORE THE PERSON
08/27/09 19:40:30 HAS AN ACCURATE TALLY OF WHAT
08/27/09 19:40:32 HE'S TAKEN IN THE TRUCK.
08/27/09 19:40:35 OPERATION WILL OCCUR PRIMARILY
08/27/09 19:40:36 ON THIS SITE.
08/27/09 19:40:38 YOU SEE THEY'RE ALREADY IN
08/27/09 19:40:39 OPERATION RIGHT NOW.
08/27/09 19:40:41 PRIMARY REASON FOR THIS
08/27/09 19:40:43 APPLICATION IS TO APPROVE THE
08/27/09 19:40:45 NORTHERN PARCEL HAVE A NEW
08/27/09 19:40:45 ENTRANCE.
08/27/09 19:40:48 THE SOUTHERN PART ALREADY
08/27/09 19:40:51 OPERATING UNDER THE CURRENT PD.
08/27/09 19:40:59 THANK YOU.
08/27/09 19:41:01 IT'S ALREADY OPERATING UNDER
08/27/09 19:41:04 THE CURRENT
08/27/09 19:41:06 PD.
08/27/09 19:41:08 AND THE RAILROAD IS HERE.
08/27/09 19:41:10 WE'RE GOING TO APPROVE CI
08/27/09 19:41:12 RIGHTS AND IG RIGHTS ON THESE
08/27/09 19:41:13 PORTIONS.
08/27/09 19:41:14 HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET TO AN
08/27/09 19:41:15 AMOUNT OF MARKETING WHERE THERE
08/27/09 19:41:17 WOULD BE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF
08/27/09 19:41:19 RETAIL SALES OF AGGREGATE SO
08/27/09 19:41:20 FOLKS CAN ACTUALLY PURCHASE IT
08/27/09 19:41:22 AND DON'T HAVE TO PURCHASE IT
08/27/09 19:41:23 ON AN INDUSTRIAL BASIS.
08/27/09 19:41:25 SO THAT'S THE REASON WE'RE
08/27/09 19:41:27 TRYING TO PRESERVE SOME RIGHTS
08/27/09 19:41:30 THAT WE ALREADY HAVE UNDER
08/27/09 19:41:32 THE
08/27/09 19:41:33 THE CURRENT EUCLIDIAN ZONING.
08/27/09 19:41:33 STACKING, THIS MATERIAL IS
08/27/09 19:41:36 MOVED AROUND ON THE SITE IN
08/27/09 19:41:37 SIZABLE STACKS.
08/27/09 19:41:38 WE NEED THE RIGHT TO GO TO
08/27/09 19:41:40 APPROXIMATELY 90 FEET SO WE CAN
08/27/09 19:41:41 USE AS LITTLE PROPERTY AS
08/27/09 19:41:44 POSSIBLE FOR THE STORAGE OF THE
08/27/09 19:41:46 AGGREGATE AND USE AS MUCH
08/27/09 19:41:48 PROPERTY AS POSSIBLE TO MOVE
08/27/09 19:41:49 AROUND THE SIGNIFICANT
08/27/09 19:41:52 MACHINERY THAT'S USED TO POUND
08/27/09 19:41:53 THIS AGGREGATE DOWN INTO
08/27/09 19:41:54 VARIOUS SIZES AND TO MOVE THE
08/27/09 19:41:55 STEEL AROUND.
08/27/09 19:41:56 WE NEED A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF
08/27/09 19:41:58 WHAT I WOULD CALL ELBOW ROOM TO
08/27/09 19:41:59 GET AROUND ON THE SITE.
08/27/09 19:42:01 I WORKED ON THE PLAN AMENDMENT
08/27/09 19:42:02 THAT CHANGED THE STACKING
08/27/09 19:42:05 HEIGHT FOR THE PORT AUTHORITY
08/27/09 19:42:06 DISTRICT TO 90 FEET.
08/27/09 19:42:09 MUCH OF THAT WAS DRIVEN BY
08/27/09 19:42:11 AGGREGATE HANDLERS THAT ARE IN
08/27/09 19:42:12 THE PORT DISTRICT.
08/27/09 19:42:13 KIMMINS IS NO DISTRICT.
08/27/09 19:42:14 THEY'RE IN A VERY HIGH
08/27/09 19:42:17 INDUSTRIAL AREA AND THEY SIMPLY
08/27/09 19:42:20 WANT THE SAME RIGHTS THAT
08/27/09 19:42:20 THE
08/27/09 19:42:21 PORT DISTRICT HAS.
08/27/09 19:42:23 FOR SOME REASON THAT HEIGHT WAS
08/27/09 19:42:24 ESTABLISHED AT SIX FEET FOR
08/27/09 19:42:27 DIFFERENT REASONS WHY IT WAS TO
08/27/09 19:42:29 KEEP STACKING OF AUTOMOBILES,
08/27/09 19:42:30 JUNKED AUTOMOBILES OFF OF THE
08/27/09 19:42:31 DRIVE.
08/27/09 19:42:34 THAT WAS THE GENESIS OF THE SIX
08/27/09 19:42:35 FOOT RULE.
08/27/09 19:42:36 OBVIOUSLY IT'S ALMOST ON SURD
08/27/09 19:42:38 TO HAVE A STACKING LIMITATION
08/27/09 19:42:39 OF SIX FEET.
08/27/09 19:42:40 WE CAN'T LIVE WITH SIX.
08/27/09 19:42:43 WE'D LIKE TO
08/27/09 19:42:45 LIVE WITH 90 IF
08/27/09 19:42:46 POSSIBLE.
08/27/09 19:42:47 [ LAUGHTER ] IT'S EFFICIENCY IF
08/27/09 19:42:48 YOU CAN STACK IT AS HIGH AS
08/27/09 19:42:49 POSSIBLE, THEN YOU CAN
08/27/09 19:42:52 CONCENTRATE IT AND KEEP IT AWAY
08/27/09 19:42:54 FROM MOST ADJOINING PROPERTY
08/27/09 19:42:54 OWNERS.
08/27/09 19:42:57 ALSO WE WILL DO ALL
08/27/09 19:43:00 OF THE
08/27/09 19:43:03 STACKING EAST OF THE OLD 53rd
08/27/09 19:43:03 STREET RIGHT-OF-WAY.
08/27/09 19:43:04 NONE OF IT WILL OCCUR HERE.
08/27/09 19:43:06 AND WE ALSO HAVE A 30-FOOT
08/27/09 19:43:08 BUFFER ON THIS NORTHERN PORTION
08/27/09 19:43:08 HERE.
08/27/09 19:43:10 WE ARE THE AJOINING PROPERTY
08/27/09 19:43:11 HERE.
08/27/09 19:43:12 THE OTHER ADJOINING PROPERTY
08/27/09 19:43:15 OWNER ON THE SOUTH IS
08/27/09 19:43:15 THE
08/27/09 19:43:16 RAILROAD LINE.
08/27/09 19:43:19 LET ME GO BACK TO MY
08/27/09 19:43:19 NOTES FOR
08/27/09 19:43:22 A MOMENT.
08/27/09 19:43:40 WE ARE IN AGREEMENT WITH ALL OF
08/27/09 19:43:41 THE WAIVERS REQUIRED IN THE
08/27/09 19:43:42 CERTAIN ITEMS THAT NEED TO BE
08/27/09 19:43:44 TAKEN OFF THE SITE PLAN.
08/27/09 19:43:45 WE DO NEED SOME REVISION THAT
08/27/09 19:43:47 IS WE CAN DO IN BETWEEN FIRST
08/27/09 19:43:48 AND SECOND READING.
08/27/09 19:43:51 I WANT TO POINT OUT THE TREE
08/27/09 19:43:53 SITUATION WHICH WHEN YOU LOOK
08/27/09 19:43:54 AT THE PHOTOGRAPHS ARE A
08/27/09 19:43:55 SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF TREES.
08/27/09 19:43:58 WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT IS THE
08/27/09 19:43:58 NORTH PARCEL.
08/27/09 19:44:00 THE SOUTH PARCEL HAS BEEN
08/27/09 19:44:02 CLEARED AND IS IN OPERATION.
08/27/09 19:44:03 THIS IS A CLOSER LOOK OF THE
08/27/09 19:44:04 NORTH PARCEL.
08/27/09 19:44:07 AND YOU'LL SEE THE DRIVEWAY
08/27/09 19:44:09 COMING IN AND IT MEANDERS TO
08/27/09 19:44:11 THE SCALE HOUSE AND THEN HERE'S
08/27/09 19:44:14 THE ENTRY AND THEN HERE'S THE
08/27/09 19:44:15 EXIT.
08/27/09 19:44:16 YOU'LL SEE AND THIS IS GOING TO
08/27/09 19:44:17 BE SHEET NUMBER THREE.
08/27/09 19:44:21 YOU'LL SEE THE VAST MAJORITY OF
08/27/09 19:44:24 THE TREES ARE
08/27/09 19:44:24 BEING PRESERVED.
08/27/09 19:44:26 WE ARE RETAINING 213 TREES.
08/27/09 19:44:29 WE WILL BE REMOVED 40 TREES.
08/27/09 19:44:30 THE TWO TREES THAT ARE FINALLY
08/27/09 19:44:32 AT ISSUE WE'VE MOVED AND MOVED
08/27/09 19:44:35 AND MOVED BACK AND FORTH
08/27/09 19:44:35 WITH
08/27/09 19:44:37 THIS SCALE HOUSE TRYING TO HAVE
08/27/09 19:44:38 DIRECT ACCESS FOR THESE LARGE
08/27/09 19:44:41 TRUCKS NOT TO MAKE THEM TO HAVE
08/27/09 19:44:44 TO MOVE TOO
08/27/09 19:44:46 MUCH TO PROVIDE
08/27/09 19:44:47 WATER RETENTION THESE ARE TWO
08/27/09 19:44:49 TREES WE CAN'T GET AROUND THEM.
08/27/09 19:44:51 WE WOULD BE WILLING TO SAVE THE
08/27/09 19:44:52 TWO LARGE TREES AND TRY TO SEE
08/27/09 19:44:54 IF THEY'LL MAKE IT FOR THE NEXT
08/27/09 19:44:55 YEAR.
08/27/09 19:44:58 IF THEY DO NOT WE WOULD REPLACE
08/27/09 19:44:58 THEM.
08/27/09 19:44:59 WE DON'T WANT TO TAKE DOWN
08/27/09 19:45:01 TREES FOR NO GOOD REASON.
08/27/09 19:45:02 WE JUST CANNOT POUR THE
08/27/09 19:45:04 CONCRETE TO SUPPORT THE SCALE
08/27/09 19:45:06 HOUSE WITHOUT REMOVING THOSE
08/27/09 19:45:09 TWO TREES.
08/27/09 19:45:10 AND IT'S DOWN TO THOSE.
08/27/09 19:45:12 MANY TREES SAVED ON THIS
08/27/09 19:45:14 PORTION AND ON THIS PORTION.
08/27/09 19:45:17 LET ME EXPLAIN TO YOU ONE
08/27/09 19:45:19 SIDE
08/27/09 19:45:22 ISSUE STILL BEFORE
08/27/09 19:45:25 YOU ON A
08/27/09 19:45:25 CONTINUANCE.
08/27/09 19:45:27 WE VACATED 53rd STREET SEVERAL
08/27/09 19:45:28 YEARS AGO.
08/27/09 19:45:30 WHICH IS IN THE MAIN YARD.
08/27/09 19:45:31 THIS WAS A CONDITION IN THE
08/27/09 19:45:34 VACATING THAT WE HAD TO BUILD A
08/27/09 19:45:35 TURN AROUND BECAUSE 53rd WAS
08/27/09 19:45:36 GOING TO BE A DEAD END.
08/27/09 19:45:38 WE HAD TO BUILD A TURN AROUND
08/27/09 19:45:39 WITHIN TWO YEARS.
08/27/09 19:45:40 WE DID NOT GET IT BUILT WITHIN
08/27/09 19:45:42 THE TWO YEARS BECAUSE WE'VE
08/27/09 19:45:44 BEEN WORKING ON THIS REZONING
08/27/09 19:45:46 AND VACATING 54th IN THE
08/27/09 19:45:46 MEANTIME.
08/27/09 19:45:47 TIME GOT AWAY FROM US.
08/27/09 19:45:50 YOU ALSO HAVE BEEN SEEN ON YOUR
08/27/09 19:45:51 AGENDA A PETITION TO VACATE
08/27/09 19:45:52 53rd.
08/27/09 19:45:55 IN FACT IT'S COMING UP ON A
08/27/09 19:45:55 CONTINUANCE NEXT THURSDAY.
08/27/09 19:45:56 SO --
08/27/09 19:45:57 >> I WANT TO BE CAREFUL NOT TO
08/27/09 19:45:59 GO TOO MUCH FURTHER INTO THAT.
08/27/09 19:46:00 >> I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT
08/27/09 19:46:03 WE'RE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ON
08/27/09 19:46:05 ANOTHER APPLICATION AND WE WILL
08/27/09 19:46:07 CONSTRUCT THAT TURN AROUND I AM
08/27/09 19:46:08 STILL IN THE MIDST OF
08/27/09 19:46:09 NEGOTIATIONS WITH THE CITY
08/27/09 19:46:12 ATTORNEY'S OFFICE ON COMPLETING
08/27/09 19:46:13 THE DOCUMENTS FOR THAT.
08/27/09 19:46:16 THAT
08/27/09 19:46:19 SUMMARIZES OUR REPORT
08/27/09 19:46:20 TO
08/27/09 19:46:20 YOU.
08/27/09 19:46:22 I'VE BEEN THROUGH MR. GARCIA'S
08/27/09 19:46:23 REPORT.
08/27/09 19:46:25 HE MAKES FINDINGS THAT I HAVE
08/27/09 19:46:26 NO ISSUE WITH.
08/27/09 19:46:27 ONE MINOR ISSUE I THINK ABBEY
08/27/09 19:46:29 MAY HAVE MENTIONED THAT HAVING
08/27/09 19:46:32 AUTO USES OR AUTO REPAIR
08/27/09 19:46:33 OR
08/27/09 19:46:33 AUTO OF SOMETHING.
08/27/09 19:46:35 THAT MAY HAVE BEEN A MISPRINT.
08/27/09 19:46:38 THERE'S NO
08/27/09 19:46:41 AUTO OPERATIONS ON
08/27/09 19:46:42 THE PROPERTY.
08/27/09 19:46:45 THERE MAY BE SOME SCRAP
08/27/09 19:46:45 STEEL
08/27/09 19:46:48 FROM AUTOMOBILES BUT
08/27/09 19:46:51 NOT THE
08/27/09 19:46:54 OPERATION.
08/27/09 19:46:55 I THINK MR. GARCIA'S FINDING ON
08/27/09 19:46:56 PAGE THREE IS VERY TELLING.
08/27/09 19:46:58 HE SAYS THIS IS ONE OF THE
08/27/09 19:47:00 REMAINING AREAS IN THE CITY
08/27/09 19:47:02 SUITED FOR AND IDENTIFIED WITH
08/27/09 19:47:04 INDUSTRIAL AND COMMERCIAL
08/27/09 19:47:04 INTENSIVE TYPE USES.
08/27/09 19:47:06 IT IS GETTING VERY HARD TO FIND
08/27/09 19:47:07 PROPERTY IN THIS CITY TO DO
08/27/09 19:47:08 THIS KIND OF OPERATION.
08/27/09 19:47:09 IT'S AN ESSENTIAL OPERATION.
08/27/09 19:47:11 I SUBMIT TO YOU IT IS A GREEN
08/27/09 19:47:14 OPERATION AND IT IS A FAST
08/27/09 19:47:16 FORWARD OPERATION FOR HANDLING
08/27/09 19:47:17 DEMOLITION DEBRIS.
08/27/09 19:47:19 I SINCERELY REQUEST YOUR
08/27/09 19:47:20 APPROVAL THIS EVENING.
08/27/09 19:47:23 I'LL REMAIN
08/27/09 19:47:26 AVAILABLE FOR ANY
08/27/09 19:47:26 FURTHER QUESTIONS.
08/27/09 19:47:27 >> THANK YOU.
08/27/09 19:47:30 JUST FOR A MATTER OF
08/27/09 19:47:30 DISCLOSURE, MR. WILLIAMS TOOK
08/27/09 19:47:32 ME ON A TOUR OF THIS SITE
08/27/09 19:47:35 BEFORE YOU PUT THE
08/27/09 19:47:36 ZONING IN
08/27/09 19:47:37 THAT WAS ABOUT PROBABLY SIX OR
08/27/09 19:47:39 NINE MONTHSING A MAYBE A YEAR
08/27/09 19:47:41 AGO SOMETHING LIKE THAT BUT I
08/27/09 19:47:42 WANTED TO MENTION NOW WITH
08/27/09 19:47:44 HAVING SAID THAT I'M FAMILIAR
08/27/09 19:47:47 WITH THE OPERATION BECAUSE
08/27/09 19:47:49 DROVE ME AROUND THE SITE.
08/27/09 19:47:51 IN REGARD TO THE HEIGHT ISSUE,
08/27/09 19:47:53 I WAS LOOKING AT THE
08/27/09 19:47:54 CONDITIONS, THE CONDITIONS
08/27/09 19:47:56 DON'T SEEM TO REFLECT WHAT
08/27/09 19:47:59 YOU'RE OFFERING WHICH
08/27/09 19:48:00 IS THE
08/27/09 19:48:01 LIMITATION OF 90 FEET WOULD
08/27/09 19:48:04 ONLY BE TO THE EAST OF
08/27/09 19:48:04 53rd.
08/27/09 19:48:05 I'M NOT SEEING THAT.
08/27/09 19:48:07 >> WE HAVE --THAT IS NOT IN
08/27/09 19:48:09 THE STAFF REPORT AND THAT'S NOT
08/27/09 19:48:10 ON THE SITE PLAN.
08/27/09 19:48:11 >> SO UNDER WAIVER REQUEST
08/27/09 19:48:12 NUMBER TWO WHERE YOU'RE LOOKING
08/27/09 19:48:14 FOR 90 FEET WE NEED TO MODIFY
08/27/09 19:48:15 THAT.
08/27/09 19:48:18 >> THAT NEEDS TO
08/27/09 19:48:18 BE FIXED.
08/27/09 19:48:19 THAT'S RIGHT.
08/27/09 19:48:21 >> AND I THINK THAT CURES SOME
08/27/09 19:48:24 OF MY CONCERNS ABOUT
08/27/09 19:48:26 THIS
08/27/09 19:48:27 HEIGHT ISSUE.
08/27/09 19:48:28 BUT OVER ON THE RIGHT HAND
08/27/09 19:48:31 SIDE, THE EAST SIDE,
08/27/09 19:48:32 TWO
08/27/09 19:48:33 PROPERTIES UP IT SAYS THERE'S
08/27/09 19:48:34 AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S
08/27/09 19:48:37 ACCURATE OR NOT BUT
08/27/09 19:48:37 THE
08/27/09 19:48:40 EXISTING USE IS A SINGLE
08/27/09 19:48:43 FAMILY.
08/27/09 19:48:45 YOU CAN PROBABLY SEE IT BETTER
08/27/09 19:48:48 TO THE EAST
08/27/09 19:48:49 FURTHER EAST.
08/27/09 19:48:51 >> RIGHT, YEAH.
08/27/09 19:48:51 >> SOUTHEAST.
08/27/09 19:48:52 >> KEEP GOING DOWN.
08/27/09 19:48:53 THERE.
08/27/09 19:48:56 ONE OF THOSE TWO
08/27/09 19:48:58 SINGLE FAMILY.
08/27/09 19:48:59 >> YEAH.
08/27/09 19:48:59 >> OKAY.
08/27/09 19:49:00 IS THAT ACTUALLY OCCUPIED
08/27/09 19:49:01 SINGLE FAMILY?
08/27/09 19:49:03 DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA?
08/27/09 19:49:06 >> THE ONE ESTATE
08/27/09 19:49:07 OF COOPER IS
08/27/09 19:49:08 VACANT.
08/27/09 19:49:10 I KNOW THE OTHER ONE I DO NOT
08/27/09 19:49:11 KNOW --
08/27/09 19:49:14 >> LET'S
08/27/09 19:49:17 ASK YOUR CLIENT.
08/27/09 19:49:20 SHE PROBABLY
08/27/09 19:49:23 KNOWS.
08/27/09 19:49:25 >> KIMMINS CORPORATION.
08/27/09 19:49:28 WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF
08/27/09 19:49:29 ACQUIRING THAT PROPERTY.
08/27/09 19:49:32 >> SO IT'S VACANT RIGHT NOW?
08/27/09 19:49:34 >> IT IS.
08/27/09 19:49:37 THERE IS A TENANT OR TENANT
08/27/09 19:49:39 OWNERS, UH-HUH WHO WE'RE
08/27/09 19:49:40 NEGOTIATING WITH.
08/27/09 19:49:42 >> SO UNDER A SEPARATE --
08/27/09 19:49:45 YOU'RE TRYING TO.
08/27/09 19:49:45 [ INDISCERNIBLE ]
08/27/09 19:49:46 >> ALL RIGHT.
08/27/09 19:49:49 I WOULD HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF
08/27/09 19:49:52 CONCERN OVER ON THAT SIDE
08/27/09 19:49:55 ABOUT
08/27/09 19:49:57 --AGAIN ABOUT THE HEIGHT.
08/27/09 19:50:00 THE TREE ISSUE'S KIND
08/27/09 19:50:03 OF
08/27/09 19:50:04 INTERESTING.
08/27/09 19:50:04 YOU KNOW.
08/27/09 19:50:05 I'VE ALWAYS BEEN WITH HER ABOUT
08/27/09 19:50:07 TRYING TO PROTECT THE TREES AND
08/27/09 19:50:09 THEN I SAW THEM BUILD THE
08/27/09 19:50:10 INTERSTATE AND THEY RIPPED THE
08/27/09 19:50:13 HECK OUT OF ALL THE TREES
08/27/09 19:50:14 UP
08/27/09 19:50:15 AND DOWN THE INTERSTATE.
08/27/09 19:50:17 THE GOVERNMENT'S GOING TO DO
08/27/09 19:50:20 THAT IT'S PRETTY DISGUSTING.
08/27/09 19:50:21 >> I WAS GOING TO SPEAK TO THE
08/27/09 19:50:23 FACT THAT BETWEEN OUR PROPERTY
08/27/09 19:50:26 THERE IS A CREEK AND THEN THE
08/27/09 19:50:28 ESTATE OF THE COOPER RESIDENCE.
08/27/09 19:50:31 >> THESE ARE VERY DEEP
08/27/09 19:50:32 LOTS.
08/27/09 19:50:32 THIS IS 55th.
08/27/09 19:50:34 HERE ARE THE HOUSES THAT ARE --
08/27/09 19:50:35 >> OH.
08/27/09 19:50:36 >> YOU SEE HOW DEEP THE LOT
08/27/09 19:50:38 GOES TO OUR PROPERTY LINE.
08/27/09 19:50:39 >> OKAY.
08/27/09 19:50:40 SO THEY HAVE THEIR OWN BUFFER
08/27/09 19:50:43 TO A CERTAIN EXTENT.
08/27/09 19:50:44 >> PRETTY STRONG.
08/27/09 19:50:45 >> OKAY.
08/27/09 19:50:45 THANK YOU.
08/27/09 19:50:46 >> THANK YOU.
08/27/09 19:50:48 I'M REALLY PLEASED TO HEAR THE
08/27/09 19:50:51 HEIGHT ISSUE IF IT CAN
08/27/09 19:50:54 BE OVER
08/27/09 19:50:55 TO THE EAST.
08/27/09 19:50:56 THAT SOUNDS FINE.
08/27/09 19:50:59 BECAUSE THIS IS SUCH
08/27/09 19:51:00 A
08/27/09 19:51:02 GENEROUSLY SIZED PARCEL, I
08/27/09 19:51:03 WONDER IF YOU CONSIDERED TAKING
08/27/09 19:51:05 THE ROADWAY AND JUST MOVING IT
08/27/09 19:51:08 OVER TO THE WEST SO THAT YOU
08/27/09 19:51:11 COULD AVOID
08/27/09 19:51:12 THE 43-INCH OAK.
08/27/09 19:51:14 >> IF YOU LOOK AT THE AERIAL F
08/27/09 19:51:15 YOU LOOK AT THE MAGNIFICENT
08/27/09 19:51:18 PICTURE THAT OUR STAFF SHARED
08/27/09 19:51:20 WITH US, THAT IS ONE, ONE OF
08/27/09 19:51:21 THE THREE.
08/27/09 19:51:23 IT SEEMS LIKE IF YOU COULD
08/27/09 19:51:26 AVOID
08/27/09 19:51:27 TEARING IT DOWN YOU WOULD
08/27/09 19:51:28 MAKE EVERYBODY A LOT COOLER.
08/27/09 19:51:29 IF YOU LOOK AT THE SAVINGS ALL
08/27/09 19:51:32 THE GOOD YOU'RE DOING WITH THE
08/27/09 19:51:33 RECYCLING WOULD BE SO MUCH
08/27/09 19:51:35 BETTER IF THAT TREE WERE
08/27/09 19:51:36 ALLOWED TO REMAIN.
08/27/09 19:51:37 WHY DIDN'T YOU TRY TO PUSH THE
08/27/09 19:51:39 ROAD OVER TO THE WEST?
08/27/09 19:51:41 THE GUY BEHIND YOU WANTS TO --
08/27/09 19:51:44 >> OUR ENGINEER
08/27/09 19:51:46 WILL EXPLAIN
08/27/09 19:51:47 THAT.
08/27/09 19:51:48 >> HI.
08/27/09 19:51:51 >> I WAS JUST CURIOUS
08/27/09 19:51:52 IF YOU'RE
08/27/09 19:51:55 A LANDSCAPE
08/27/09 19:51:55 ARCHITECT.
08/27/09 19:51:56 >> NO.
08/27/09 19:51:57 I'M AN ENGINEER.
08/27/09 19:51:58 IF YOU WOULD LOOK HERE IF WE
08/27/09 19:52:01 TRIED TO MOVE THIS ROAD TO
08/27/09 19:52:02 THE
08/27/09 19:52:04 WEST LIKE YOU RECOMMENDED,
08/27/09 19:52:05 THERE IS A 48-INCH OAK THAT IS
08/27/09 19:52:08 JUST TO THE WEST THAT WE ARE
08/27/09 19:52:10 SAVING THAT WOULD THEN BE
08/27/09 19:52:11 REMOVED.
08/27/09 19:52:11 >> OH.
08/27/09 19:52:14 >> SO WE HAVE LOOKED AT EVERY
08/27/09 19:52:15 --
08/27/09 19:52:17 >> COULD YOU PUT THE SCALE
08/27/09 19:52:18 HOUSE UP HIGHER?
08/27/09 19:52:21 >> PUT THE SCALE UP HIGHER?
08/27/09 19:52:22 >> ONE TO THE EAST AND ONE TO
08/27/09 19:52:25 THE WEST, COULDN'T YOU LOCATE
08/27/09 19:52:26 THE WHOLE THING UP?
08/27/09 19:52:28 >> THE 43-INCH OAK THAT WE ARE
08/27/09 19:52:30 TALKING ABOUT TAKING OUT IS
08/27/09 19:52:31 ACTUALLY IN THE ISLAND THAT WE
08/27/09 19:52:33 WOULD LIKE TO TRY TO SAVE IT IF
08/27/09 19:52:36 POSSIBLE WITHIN THE
08/27/09 19:52:38 ISLAND.
08/27/09 19:52:41 >>
08/27/09 19:52:44 IT WOULD BE COOLER
08/27/09 19:52:45 .
08/27/09 19:52:47 >> BEING CLOSER TO THE TREE AND
08/27/09 19:52:51 20 FEET WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO
08/27/09 19:52:51 DO
08/27/09 19:52:53 SOMETHING TO SAVE IT.
08/27/09 19:52:55 IF IT HAPPENS TO DIE IN A
08/27/09 19:52:56 YEAR'S TIME THEN WE WOULD BE
08/27/09 19:52:58 WILLING TO AND I BELIEVE I'M
08/27/09 19:53:01 SAYING THIS RIGHT BE WILLING
08/27/09 19:53:01 TO
08/27/09 19:53:02 REPLACE THE TREE.
08/27/09 19:53:04 NOW THE 36-INCH OAK SETS ON THE
08/27/09 19:53:06 DRIVE LANE AS YOU'RE COMING
08/27/09 19:53:07 DOWN.
08/27/09 19:53:08 AND, AGAIN, IF WE MOVED
08/27/09 19:53:09 EVERYTHING TO THE WEST IT'S
08/27/09 19:53:10 STILL IN THE ROAD.
08/27/09 19:53:11 WE CANNOT AVOID THE 36-INCH IN
08/27/09 19:53:12 ANY WAY.
08/27/09 19:53:15 AND FURTHER TO THE WEST
08/27/09 19:53:18 WOULD
08/27/09 19:53:20 TAKE OUT THE 48-INCH.
08/27/09 19:53:22 >> ONE OTHER THING TO THE WEST
08/27/09 19:53:22 THERE'S A GENTLEMAN THAT LIVES
08/27/09 19:53:25 TO THE WEST OF US AND WE'RE
08/27/09 19:53:27 TRYING TO KEEP THE TRUCK
08/27/09 19:53:30 TRAFFIC AS FAR EAST OF
08/27/09 19:53:33 HIM IF
08/27/09 19:53:33 POSSIBLE.
08/27/09 19:53:35 THE AERIAL'S BETTER.
08/27/09 19:53:38 HE'S ABOUT
08/27/09 19:53:41 RIGHT
08/27/09 19:53:44 HERE IN
08/27/09 19:53:44 THIS
08/27/09 19:53:45 AREA.
08/27/09 19:53:46 >> MR. RILELY.
08/27/09 19:53:47 >> DAVID RILELY.
08/27/09 19:53:49 PARKS AND RECREATION.
08/27/09 19:53:50 I HAVE BEEN SWORN.
08/27/09 19:53:53 IN REGARDS TO THE QUESTION
08/27/09 19:53:56 ABOUT MOVING
08/27/09 19:53:57 TO THE WEST AND
08/27/09 19:53:58 THE TREE THAT THEY HAVE
08/27/09 19:54:01 MENTIONED WAS THIS TREE HERE
08/27/09 19:54:04 NUMBER 73.
08/27/09 19:54:06 WHICH ACCORDING TO THEIR
08/27/09 19:54:08 ARBORIST REPORT IS GRAND LORE
08/27/09 19:54:09 OAK.
08/27/09 19:54:10 IT'S BEEN IN SEVERE DECLINE AND
08/27/09 19:54:11 IF YOU'VE NOTICED I'VE BEEN OUT
08/27/09 19:54:13 THERE TWICE, THE FIRST TIME I
08/27/09 19:54:16 NOTICED IT WAS IN DECLINE.
08/27/09 19:54:18 MY SECOND VISIT OUT THERE MADE
08/27/09 19:54:20 NOTATION THAT THE TREE'S IN
08/27/09 19:54:20 WORSE CONDITION.
08/27/09 19:54:22 SO ACCORDING TO THEIR OWN
08/27/09 19:54:24 REPORT THAT TREE WAS LISTED AS
08/27/09 19:54:25 POOR.
08/27/09 19:54:26 SO WE WOULDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM
08/27/09 19:54:29 IF THEY WANTED TO MOVE IT
08/27/09 19:54:29 TO
08/27/09 19:54:30 THE WEST.
08/27/09 19:54:31 AND MARY ALLUDED TO THIS A
08/27/09 19:54:32 LITTLE BIT.
08/27/09 19:54:34 WE DID ASK THEM TO DO A COUPLE
08/27/09 19:54:34 THINGS.
08/27/09 19:54:36 ONE WAS TO PUT THE SCALES OUT
08/27/09 19:54:39 FRONT CLOSER TO THE
08/27/09 19:54:42 ROAD WHERE
08/27/09 19:54:42 IT'S OPEN.
08/27/09 19:54:44 THEY HAD PROBLEM WITH POSSIBLE
08/27/09 19:54:45 CUEING TRUCKS COMING IN.
08/27/09 19:54:48 WE SUGGESTED THEY DO MAYBE A
08/27/09 19:54:49 ZIGZAG.
08/27/09 19:54:50 WE DID ASK FOR REDESIGN TO SOME
08/27/09 19:54:52 ATTEMPTS WE ASKED THEY MOVE THE
08/27/09 19:54:55 SCALES TO THE
08/27/09 19:54:56 SOUTHERN PART OF
08/27/09 19:54:57 THE PROPERTY WHERE THERE WOULD
08/27/09 19:54:58 BE JUST A ROAD THROUGH THERE
08/27/09 19:55:00 AND PUT THE SCALES ON THE
08/27/09 19:55:01 SOUTHERN PART.
08/27/09 19:55:02 WE DID ASK FOR THOSE CHANGES IF
08/27/09 19:55:03 THEY COULD.
08/27/09 19:55:06 THEY DIDN'T FEEL THAT THOSE
08/27/09 19:55:06 WERE APPROPRIATE.
08/27/09 19:55:10 I JUST WANTED TO MAKE CLEAR
08/27/09 19:55:12 THAT WE DID ASK.
08/27/09 19:55:12 >> WAIT.
08/27/09 19:55:16 MR. RILELY KEEP THAT
08/27/09 19:55:17 PICTURE
08/27/09 19:55:17 UP.
08/27/09 19:55:19 THE 43-INCH TREE AND 36 THAT
08/27/09 19:55:21 SET TO REMOVE WERE THOSE WILL
08/27/09 19:55:24 RECALL OR LIVE AND WERE
08/27/09 19:55:24 THEY
08/27/09 19:55:25 HEALTHY OR DECLINING?
08/27/09 19:55:26 >> THE 43-INCH WHICH IS THE
08/27/09 19:55:29 BEST TREE IS AND THAT WAS THIS
08/27/09 19:55:32 TREE HERE, IT'S A LIVE
08/27/09 19:55:33 OAK.
08/27/09 19:55:34 IT'S IN GOOD CONDITION.
08/27/09 19:55:36 THERE WAS ONE STEM THAT WAS IN
08/27/09 19:55:37 BAD SHAPE AND WE THOUGHT THAT
08/27/09 19:55:39 COULD BE PRUNED OFF AND THE
08/27/09 19:55:40 TREE WOULD BE FINE.
08/27/09 19:55:43 THE OTHER TWO TREES THAT
08/27/09 19:55:44 THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT THERE'S A
08/27/09 19:55:47 LARGE TREE BACK HERE A 34-INCH
08/27/09 19:55:49 AND THE 36-INCH UP HERE.
08/27/09 19:55:50 NICE TREES HOWEVER THEY WERE
08/27/09 19:55:51 NOT GRAND.
08/27/09 19:55:52 THEY WERE JUST ON THE GRAND.
08/27/09 19:55:55 THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE SPREAD TO
08/27/09 19:55:57 MAKE THE GRAND TREE.
08/27/09 19:56:00 SO WE DIDN'T REALLY ADDRESS
08/27/09 19:56:02 THOSE ISSUES.
08/27/09 19:56:04 THAT WAS MARY'S CONCERNS.
08/27/09 19:56:05 SO IN ESSENCE THEY'RE REALLY
08/27/09 19:56:08 ONLY TAKING OUT THE ONE
08/27/09 19:56:09 GRAND
08/27/09 19:56:12 TREE
08/27/09 19:56:15 FOR
08/27/09 19:56:16 THIS SCALE.
08/27/09 19:56:17 >> THANK YOU.
08/27/09 19:56:18 >> HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC.
08/27/09 19:56:20 >> I JUST WANT TO ADD, WE'VE
08/27/09 19:56:22 BEEN THROUGH A LOT OF DRAWINGS
08/27/09 19:56:25 TO GET AROUND THESE TREES ON
08/27/09 19:56:28 SITE AND AT THE DRAWING BOARD.
08/27/09 19:56:30 AS FAR AS MOVING THE SCALE
08/27/09 19:56:33 HOUSE FURTHER FORWARD THESE ARE
08/27/09 19:56:35 VERY LARGE TRUCKS COMING OFF
08/27/09 19:56:36 BROADWAY.
08/27/09 19:56:38 THEY'RE VERY HEAVY.
08/27/09 19:56:40 THEY MADE NEED A LOT OF ROOM TO
08/27/09 19:56:41 SLOW DOWN.
08/27/09 19:56:42 TO HAVE THEM CLOSER TO BROADWAY
08/27/09 19:56:44 TO CREATE A CUEING PROBLEM, I
08/27/09 19:56:46 DON'T WANT TO --WE WANT TO GET
08/27/09 19:56:49 AS BACK AS FAR AS WE COULD TO
08/27/09 19:56:51 MAKE SURE THERE'S ADEQUATE
08/27/09 19:56:52 CUEING SPACE AND THEY'RE
08/27/09 19:56:53 STACKED THE RIGHT WAY.
08/27/09 19:56:55 THEY'RE IN THE INDUSTRY AND I
08/27/09 19:56:56 THINK YOU HAVE TO GIVE THE NOD
08/27/09 19:56:58 TO THE PEOPLE IN THE INDUSTRY
08/27/09 19:56:59 TO PLAN THE SITE AS MOST
08/27/09 19:57:00 EFFICIENTLY AS POSSIBLE.
08/27/09 19:57:03 AND NOTE THE TREES THAT ARE
08/27/09 19:57:04 BEING SAVED.
08/27/09 19:57:06 OVER 200 TREES THAT WILL
08/27/09 19:57:08 FLOURISH ON THIS PROPERTY AND
08/27/09 19:57:10 WILL BE GOOD.
08/27/09 19:57:11 >> ALL RIGHT.
08/27/09 19:57:12 THANK YOU.
08/27/09 19:57:14 >> I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY
08/27/09 19:57:15 THAT JUST BECAUSE THE WAIVER IS
08/27/09 19:57:16 REQUESTING FOR THE REMOVAL OF
08/27/09 19:57:18 THE TREE THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT
08/27/09 19:57:20 THE TREE IS NECESSARILY
08/27/09 19:57:21 PHYSICALLY BEING REMOVED.
08/27/09 19:57:22 THE TREE CAN BE LEFT THERE BUT
08/27/09 19:57:23 BECAUSE OF THE IMPACT
08/27/09 19:57:24 ASSOCIATED WITH THE DEVELOPMENT
08/27/09 19:57:27 THAT'S GOING TO
08/27/09 19:57:28 OCCUR AROUND
08/27/09 19:57:31 THE TREE AND DAVE AND MARY AND
08/27/09 19:57:33 THE PROTOCOL OF THE CITY, THE
08/27/09 19:57:34 TREE IS EFFECTIVELY REMOVED
08/27/09 19:57:35 BECAUSE IT WILL PROBABLY LAST
08/27/09 19:57:37 MAYBE FIVE TO SEVEN YEARS AND
08/27/09 19:57:40 THEN IT'S
08/27/09 19:57:43 GOING TO EVENTUALLY
08/27/09 19:57:43 KEEL OVER.
08/27/09 19:57:44 IN REALITY CAN PHYSICALLY
08/27/09 19:57:45 REMAIN THERE WHILE THE SCALE
08/27/09 19:57:47 AND THINGS WERE PUT IN AND
08/27/09 19:57:48 HOPEFULLY PUT UP PROTECTIVE
08/27/09 19:57:48 RADIUS.
08/27/09 19:57:49 BUT IN ORDER TO RECEIVE
08/27/09 19:57:52 MITIGATION AND MAKE SURE IT IS
08/27/09 19:57:55 ACCURATELY DEPICTED, WE ASK THE
08/27/09 19:57:57 WAIVER AND REQUEST IT'S SHONE
08/27/09 19:58:00 WITH THE ASSOCIATED MITIGATION.
08/27/09 19:58:01 >> FROM THE PUBLIC PLEASE.
08/27/09 19:58:02 THOSE WHO WISH TO ADDRESS
08/27/09 19:58:04 COUNCIL ON THIS PETITION PLEASE
08/27/09 19:58:05 COME FORWARD.
08/27/09 19:58:06 LINE UP.
08/27/09 19:58:09 YOU'RE GOING TO
08/27/09 19:58:11 BE TALKING TO

08/27/09 19:58:15 3 %-COME FORWARD.
08/27/09 19:58:15 >> COULD SOMEBODY TAKE THE
08/27/09 19:58:15 BOARD DOWN.
08/27/09 19:58:17 >> WE ONLY HAVE THESE THREE
08/27/09 19:58:17 PEOPLE?
08/27/09 19:58:17 OKAY.
08/27/09 19:58:20 >> I THINK THERE ARE OTHERS
08/27/09 19:58:22 THAT HAVE SIGNED IN.
08/27/09 19:58:25 >> WELL, THEY CAN COME ONLINE
08/27/09 19:58:25 UP.
08/27/09 19:58:28 IDEA
08/27/09 19:58:31 WHO'S GOING TO
08/27/09 19:58:33 BE
08/27/09 19:58:33 SPEAKING.
08/27/09 19:58:34 >> GOOD EVENING.
08/27/09 19:58:37 1200 WEST
08/27/09 19:58:38 PLATT.
08/27/09 19:58:40 I'VE BEEN SWORN.
08/27/09 19:58:43 I REPRESENT THE PROPERTY OWNER
08/27/09 19:58:44 THAT IS IDENTIFIED ON YOUR
08/27/09 19:58:47 AERIAL HERE THIS IS ALLEN'S
08/27/09 19:58:47 AUTO PARTS.
08/27/09 19:58:50 THIS IS HIS MAIN OPERATION
08/27/09 19:58:51 HERE.
08/27/09 19:58:53 HE ALSO OWNS THIS PROPERTY HERE
08/27/09 19:58:55 AT THE END OF 52nd STREET AND
08/27/09 19:58:56 HIS TENANT IS HERE.
08/27/09 19:58:58 I WILL NOT BE SPEAKING TO THAT
08/27/09 19:58:58 OPERATION.
08/27/09 19:59:01 THAT GENTLEMAN IS HERE TO
08/27/09 19:59:02 SPEAK
08/27/09 19:59:02 FOR HIMSELF TONIGHT.
08/27/09 19:59:04 HE AGREES WITH THE GREAT DEAL
08/27/09 19:59:07 OF THE
08/27/09 19:59:09 INFORMATION THAT WAS
08/27/09 19:59:11 PROVIDED AND THE APPLICANT'S
08/27/09 19:59:14 COMMENTS TONIGHT THIS IS AN
08/27/09 19:59:17 INTENSE LIGHT
08/27/09 19:59:20 INDUSTRIAL AND
08/27/09 19:59:23 GENERAL
08/27/09 19:59:24 INDUSTRIAL ACTIVITY
08/27/09 19:59:24 AREA.
08/27/09 19:59:27 I WOULD SATE THE ONLY IH
08/27/09 19:59:27 OR
08/27/09 19:59:30 HEAVY INDUSTRIAL USE AS STAFF
08/27/09 19:59:33 INDICATED WAS APPROVED FOR MR.
08/27/09 19:59:34 KIMMINS WHICH MY CLIENT
08/27/09 19:59:36 SUPPORTED SEVERAL YEARS AGO IN
08/27/09 19:59:38 THIS SOUTHERN END.
08/27/09 19:59:39 THAT'S WHERE THE CONCRETE
08/27/09 19:59:41 AGGREGATE ACTIVITY IS CURRENTLY
08/27/09 19:59:41 APPROVED FOR.
08/27/09 19:59:44 WHAT BRINGS US HERE TONIGHT IS
08/27/09 19:59:46 NOT THE KIMMINS COMPANY, IT'S A
08/27/09 19:59:47 GREAT OPERATION.
08/27/09 19:59:47 IT'S A GREAT COMPANY.
08/27/09 19:59:49 THEY SERVE A GREAT PURPOSE.
08/27/09 19:59:51 HOWEVER THE IMPACTS OF WHAT
08/27/09 19:59:54 THEY ARE REQUESTING
08/27/09 19:59:54 TONIGHT ARE
08/27/09 19:59:55 NEGATIVELY EFFECTING THE
08/27/09 19:59:56 OPERATIONS OF THE OTHER
08/27/09 19:59:58 BUSINESSES AND RESIDENCES IN
08/27/09 19:59:58 THE AREA.
08/27/09 20:00:01 I SHARE WITH YOU SOME
08/27/09 20:00:02 PHOTOGRAPHS TONIGHT.
08/27/09 20:00:05 THIS IS TAKEN FROM THE
08/27/09 20:00:06 57th
08/27/09 20:00:09 AVENUE RIGHT-OF-WAY OF
08/27/09 20:00:10 THE
08/27/09 20:00:11 STOCKPILED ACTIVITY NEAR THE
08/27/09 20:00:14 EASTERN END OF THE SITE THAT
08/27/09 20:00:15 IS
08/27/09 20:00:18 NOT IN THE PD AREA BUT APPEARS
08/27/09 20:00:21 TO
08/27/09 20:00:24 BE IN
08/27/09 20:00:27 THE
08/27/09 20:00:30 AREA BEHIND HIS
08/27/09 20:00:30 OPERATION.
08/27/09 20:00:32 IF YOU HAVE A CAR THAT IS NO
08/27/09 20:00:34 LONGER MADE AND PARTS ARE HARD
08/27/09 20:00:36 TO FIND, HE HAS WRECKED
08/27/09 20:00:37 AUTOMOBILES, HE HAS STAFF THAT
08/27/09 20:00:40 WORK FOR HIM FULL TIME THAT GO
08/27/09 20:00:43 OUT AND PULL A CARBURETOR OR
08/27/09 20:00:46 DISTRIBUTOR.
08/27/09 20:00:48 HIS STAFF DOES THAT.
08/27/09 20:00:49 IT'S NOT OPEN TO THE PUBLIC
08/27/09 20:00:50 LIKE OTHER OPERATIONS ARE.
08/27/09 20:00:53 HIS STAFF IS
08/27/09 20:00:54 CONTINUALLY OUT IN
08/27/09 20:00:55 HIS OPERATION.
08/27/09 20:00:57 THESE ARE SOME OTHER
08/27/09 20:00:59 PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE KIMMINS
08/27/09 20:01:02 OPERATION AS YOU CAN SEE AND
08/27/09 20:01:03 THEIR AGGREGATE STOCKPILES.
08/27/09 20:01:05 I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO SHARE
08/27/09 20:01:08 WITH YOU SOME OF THE PHOTOS OF
08/27/09 20:01:11 OFF SITE AND THE IMPACTS THAT
08/27/09 20:01:13 THE COMMUNITY IS EXPERIENCING
08/27/09 20:01:14 OFF SITE.
08/27/09 20:01:16 THERE IS A MOBILE HOME PARK IN
08/27/09 20:01:16 THE AREA.
08/27/09 20:01:19 IT IS A VIABLE MOBILE HOME
08/27/09 20:01:19 PARK.
08/27/09 20:01:21 SOME OF THOSE RESIDENTS ARE
08/27/09 20:01:21 HERE.
08/27/09 20:01:22 I WON'T SPEAK TO THAT ISSUE.
08/27/09 20:01:25 THIS IS A VIEW FROM THE
08/27/09 20:01:25 TENANTS.
08/27/09 20:01:26 HE HAS A ROOFING COMPANY.
08/27/09 20:01:29 THIS IS FROM HIS AREA
08/27/09 20:01:30 LOOKING
08/27/09 20:01:33 OVER INTO THE SCRAPPING
08/27/09 20:01:33 --
08/27/09 20:01:35 SCRAP PILE OPERATION.
08/27/09 20:01:36 THESE ARE FROM HIS AUTO PARTS
08/27/09 20:01:39 LOOKING AT THE MOUNDS THAT
08/27/09 20:01:40 ARE
08/27/09 20:01:41 EXISTING ON THE SITE.
08/27/09 20:01:42 AND THEY ARE HUGE.
08/27/09 20:01:43 WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THAT
08/27/09 20:01:45 ALTHOUGH WE HAVE NOT HAD THEM
08/27/09 20:01:47 SURVEYED AND PERHAPS KIMMINS
08/27/09 20:01:49 KNOWS THE EXACT HEIGHT OF THOSE
08/27/09 20:01:50 I DON'T KNOW.
08/27/09 20:01:51 BUT WE ESTIMATE THEM TO BE
08/27/09 20:01:53 SOMEWHERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD
08/27/09 20:01:54 OF POSSIBLY 80 FEET HIGH.
08/27/09 20:01:57 I WANT TO SHARE WITH YOU THIS
08/27/09 20:01:59 PHOTOGRAPH OF HIS OPERATION
08/27/09 20:02:01 BECAUSE THIS WAS TO GIVE YOU A
08/27/09 20:02:04 DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE OF
08/27/09 20:02:05 WHAT
08/27/09 20:02:07 YOU CAN SEE WHEN --
08/27/09 20:02:07 >> TIME IS UP.
08/27/09 20:02:09 >> CAN I ASK HER A QUESTION?
08/27/09 20:02:11 >> I HAVE JUST A COUPLE THINGS
08/27/09 20:02:11 IF I MAY.
08/27/09 20:02:13 >> WELL, WE HAVE OTHER
08/27/09 20:02:14 SPEAKERS.
08/27/09 20:02:14 SO LET ME JUST SEE --
08/27/09 20:02:16 >> AND WE HAVE MORE THAT ARE
08/27/09 20:02:19 NOT SPEAKING TONIGHT SO THAT I
08/27/09 20:02:20 CAN MAKE THE PRESENTATION.
08/27/09 20:02:22 >> DO YOU HAVE SPEAKER WAIVER
08/27/09 20:02:22 FORMS?
08/27/09 20:02:22 >> NO.
08/27/09 20:02:25 >> I DO NOT SEE ANY OUTSIDE
08/27/09 20:02:26 MA'AM.
08/27/09 20:02:27 >> WHY NOT?
08/27/09 20:02:29 CAN'T WE DO THAT?
08/27/09 20:02:30 I'M ASKING OUR ATTORNEY.
08/27/09 20:02:32 >> YOU HAVE TO DO IT BEFORE.
08/27/09 20:02:32 >> JUST A SECOND.
08/27/09 20:02:35 >> I CAN SPEAK
08/27/09 20:02:37 VERY QUICKLY.
08/27/09 20:02:39 >> MA'AM, HOLD IT.
08/27/09 20:02:40 WHAT'S THE MOTION?
08/27/09 20:02:43 >> GRANT TWO MORE
08/27/09 20:02:43 MINUTES.
08/27/09 20:02:44 >> ALL RIGHT.
08/27/09 20:02:45 MOVE TO SECOND.
08/27/09 20:02:45 SAY I.
08/27/09 20:02:46 >> I.
08/27/09 20:02:48 >> THE USES ARE REQUIRED TO
08/27/09 20:02:51 HAVE A FIX IT BUFFER WHICH HE
08/27/09 20:02:51 HAS.
08/27/09 20:02:53 THIS IS THE AREA THE TREE AREA
08/27/09 20:02:53 WHERE THE ENTRY IS.
08/27/09 20:02:55 WE DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH
08/27/09 20:02:55 THEIR ENTRY.
08/27/09 20:02:58 WE DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM
08/27/09 20:02:58 WITH
08/27/09 20:02:59 WHAT THEIR PROPOSING ON THE
08/27/09 20:02:59 NORTH.
08/27/09 20:03:02 AS A MATTER OF FACT WE SUPPORT
08/27/09 20:03:03 THE LOCATION OF THE EXISTING
08/27/09 20:03:03 ROADWAY.
08/27/09 20:03:05 HERE IS THE HOUSE THAT WOULD BE
08/27/09 20:03:07 EFFECTED ON 53rd IF YOU MOVED
08/27/09 20:03:10 IT MORE TO THE WEST IT WOULD BE
08/27/09 20:03:10 MORE IN THEIR BACKYARD.
08/27/09 20:03:12 THOSE RESIDENTS ARE IN THE BACK
08/27/09 20:03:15 TONIGHT IF YOU WISH TO
08/27/09 20:03:15 ASK THEM
08/27/09 20:03:16 ANY QUESTIONS.
08/27/09 20:03:17 MORE PHOTOS OF THE MOBILE HOME
08/27/09 20:03:19 PARK AND OF THE SCRAP OPERATION
08/27/09 20:03:21 SO THAT YOU SEE THERE'S WHEELS
08/27/09 20:03:23 AND TIRES AND STEEL AND ALL
08/27/09 20:03:26 KINDS OF OPERATIONS GOING
08/27/09 20:03:28 ON ON
08/27/09 20:03:29 THIS SITE.
08/27/09 20:03:31 SO THE SIX FOOT HEIGHT WE ARE
08/27/09 20:03:34 ADHERING TO WE ARE NOT IN
08/27/09 20:03:35 SUPPORT OF A 90-FOOT HEIGHT.
08/27/09 20:03:38 WHATEVER HEIGHT YOU AGREE TO,
08/27/09 20:03:41 WE NEED A DUST MANAGEMENT
08/27/09 20:03:42 PLAN.
08/27/09 20:03:43 THE DUST THAT IS BLOWING NOT
08/27/09 20:03:45 NOW BECAUSE WE'RE WET BUT LAST
08/27/09 20:03:47 SUMMER AND LAST FALL IN THE
08/27/09 20:03:48 DROUGHT IS BLOWING SAND
08/27/09 20:03:50 COMPLETELY OVER THE INVENTORY
08/27/09 20:03:51 OF HIS AREA.
08/27/09 20:03:52 HIS PEOPLE ARE HAVING TO CRAWL
08/27/09 20:03:55 AROUND IN AND UNDER AND AROUND
08/27/09 20:03:56 THOSE CARS TO PULL PARTS AND
08/27/09 20:03:59 THEN YOU GET A LIGHT SPRINKLE
08/27/09 20:03:59 AND IT'S MUDDY.
08/27/09 20:04:02 AND IT'S A BIG PROBLEM
08/27/09 20:04:03 FOR HIM
08/27/09 20:04:03 AND HIS STAFF.
08/27/09 20:04:06 WE ARE ASKING FOR YOU TO
08/27/09 20:04:06 DO
08/27/09 20:04:08 SOMETHING AND CONSIDER
08/27/09 20:04:10 REDUCTION OF THE HOURS
08/27/09 20:04:10 PROPOSED.
08/27/09 20:04:12 THEY ARE SUGGESTING I BELIEVE
08/27/09 20:04:13 6:00 A.M.
08/27/09 20:04:14 TO 7:00 P.M.
08/27/09 20:04:15 WE WOULD SUGGEST IT BE 7:00
08/27/09 20:04:17 A.M.
08/27/09 20:04:20 TO 6:00 P.M.
08/27/09 20:04:20 MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY.
08/27/09 20:04:21 OR 9:00 TO 12:00 ON SATURDAYS
08/27/09 20:04:23 BECAUSE OF THE CLOSE
08/27/09 20:04:24 RELATIONSHIP TO THE RESIDENTIAL
08/27/09 20:04:26 USES THAT ARE STILL BEING
08/27/09 20:04:27 MAINTAINED IN THAT AREA SO THEY
08/27/09 20:04:29 COULD HAVE A LITTLE PEACE AND
08/27/09 20:04:30 QUIET ON SATURDAY MORNINGS.
08/27/09 20:04:33 AND OF COURSE NO SUNDAY HOURS
08/27/09 20:04:34 AND THEY'RE NOT PROPOSING ANY.
08/27/09 20:04:35 THIS IS A PD REQUEST.
08/27/09 20:04:37 IT CAN BE A CONDITION OF
08/27/09 20:04:39 APPROVAL ON IT.
08/27/09 20:04:41 THE COUNTY DOES IT ON BAR PIT
08/27/09 20:04:42 OPERATIONS ALCOHOL BEVERAGES
08/27/09 20:04:44 HAVE TO CLOSE, BAR HAVES TO
08/27/09 20:04:45 CLOSE AT 2:00.
08/27/09 20:04:47 YOU IN MY PERSPECTIVE HAVE THAT
08/27/09 20:04:48 ABILITY TO DO THAT.
08/27/09 20:04:51 THE SCRAP METAL USE IS IN CLOSE
08/27/09 20:04:51 PROXIMITY TO THE RESIDENTIAL
08/27/09 20:04:54 USES AS WELL AS THESE MOUNTAINS
08/27/09 20:04:57 OF CONCRETE DUST WHICH WE
08/27/09 20:04:59 BELIEVE NEED TO STAY IN THE
08/27/09 20:05:02 SOUTHERN PART THAT IS ALREADY
08/27/09 20:05:03 ZONED FOR IH USES.
08/27/09 20:05:05 AND THAT'S PRETTY MUCH SUMS
08/27/09 20:05:05 THIS UP.
08/27/09 20:05:07 WE DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH
08/27/09 20:05:08 WHAT THEY'RE DOING, WE JUST
08/27/09 20:05:09 HAVE A PROBLEM WITH WHERE
08/27/09 20:05:11 THEY'RE DOING IT, WHERE THEY'RE
08/27/09 20:05:13 WANTING TO EXPAND THE MOUNDS
08/27/09 20:05:16 AND THE HEIGHT OF
08/27/09 20:05:17 THEM.
08/27/09 20:05:18 HE'S OPPOSE TODAY THAT.
08/27/09 20:05:18 THANK YOU.
08/27/09 20:05:21 >>
08/27/09 20:05:24 CAN
08/27/09 20:05:27 I ASK A QUESTION?
08/27/09 20:05:30 >> I GUESS I
08/27/09 20:05:31 DIDN'T UNDERSTAND,
08/27/09 20:05:32 LINDA, I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT
08/27/09 20:05:35 THE CONCERN WAS WHEN YOU WERE
08/27/09 20:05:37 TALKING SHOWING THE PICTURES
08/27/09 20:05:38 BECAUSE AESTHETICALLY IT'S LIKE
08/27/09 20:05:41 MY JUNK YARD'S LOOKING AT YOUR
08/27/09 20:05:42 JUNK YARD.
08/27/09 20:05:42 I DIDN'T GET IT.
08/27/09 20:05:45 >> IT'S THE HEIGHT OF
08/27/09 20:05:46 THE
08/27/09 20:05:46 STACKS.
08/27/09 20:05:49 >> WELL, EVEN THE HEIGHT, I
08/27/09 20:05:51 MEAN A JUNK YARD AND JUNK YARD
08/27/09 20:05:51 TO ME.
08/27/09 20:05:53 >> NOT WHEN THE DUST IS
08/27/09 20:05:53 BLOWING.
08/27/09 20:05:54 >> BUT THEN YOU GOT TO THE DUST
08/27/09 20:05:57 AND THAT'S PERHAPS
08/27/09 20:05:58 A DIFFERENT
08/27/09 20:05:58 ISSUE.
08/27/09 20:06:01 I CAN'T
08/27/09 20:06:02 RECALL US EVER
08/27/09 20:06:03 ADDRESSING DUST.
08/27/09 20:06:05 BUT OF COURSE WE DON'T VERY
08/27/09 20:06:08 OFTEN ADDRESS
08/27/09 20:06:11 THIS TYPE
08/27/09 20:06:12 OF
08/27/09 20:06:12 AGGREGATE FACILITY.
08/27/09 20:06:14 IF MAYBE YOU CAN CONFER AND GET
08/27/09 20:06:16 BACK WITH US IN A FEW MINUTES
08/27/09 20:06:19 TO SEE WHAT IF ANYTHING WE CAN
08/27/09 20:06:20 DO ABOUT DUST.
08/27/09 20:06:21 IS THAT OUR ISSUE?
08/27/09 20:06:24 OR IS THAT AN APC
08/27/09 20:06:24 ISSUE?
08/27/09 20:06:26 OR IS THAT AN ISSUE FOR CIRCUIT
08/27/09 20:06:29 COURT IN REGARD TO JUST BEING A
08/27/09 20:06:29 NUISANCE?
08/27/09 20:06:30 I'M NOT SURE.
08/27/09 20:06:33 BUT ANY WAY JUST THINK ABOUT IT
08/27/09 20:06:35 A LITTLE BIT.
08/27/09 20:06:35 THANK YOU.
08/27/09 20:06:35 >> COUNCILMAN.
08/27/09 20:06:38 >> PLAY OFF OF
08/27/09 20:06:39 THAT.
08/27/09 20:06:42 DUST IS DIFFERENT AT SIX FEET
08/27/09 20:06:43 THEN AT 90 FEET.
08/27/09 20:06:44 MY QUESTION IS --
08/27/09 20:06:45 >> JUST MORE OF IT.
08/27/09 20:06:45 >> YEAH.
08/27/09 20:06:47 DID YOU READ OUR STAFF REPORT
08/27/09 20:06:48 WITH THE RECOMMENDATION?
08/27/09 20:06:51 I BELIEVE OUR STAFF RECOMMENDED
08/27/09 20:06:54 THAT THE HEIGHT BE 45 FEET.
08/27/09 20:06:55 HE SUGGESTED THAT IF ALL THE
08/27/09 20:06:57 OPERATIONS WERE OVER TO THE
08/27/09 20:07:00 EAST THAT WOULD
08/27/09 20:07:01 BE PREFERABLE.
08/27/09 20:07:04 GIVE US YOUR CLIENT'S FEELINGS
08/27/09 20:07:05 ABOUT THE MODIFICATIONS.
08/27/09 20:07:07 >> HE PREFERS THAT THEY --HE
08/27/09 20:07:08 IS ON THE EASTERN PORTION.
08/27/09 20:07:11 HE PREFERS THAT THEY BE
08/27/09 20:07:12 NEAR
08/27/09 20:07:12 THE SOUTH.
08/27/09 20:07:14 45 FEET CERTAINLY IS BETTER
08/27/09 20:07:15 THAN 90.
08/27/09 20:07:17 HOWEVER, THERE ARE DUST
08/27/09 20:07:17 ABATEMENT PROGRAMS.
08/27/09 20:07:19 YOUR ATTORNEY IS VERY WELL
08/27/09 20:07:21 EXPERIENCED IN THAT IN DEALING
08/27/09 20:07:23 WITH PITS AND LAND EXCAVATION
08/27/09 20:07:24 ACTIVITIES WHERE AS YOU ARE
08/27/09 20:07:27 REQUIRED TO SPRAY THEM TO
08/27/09 20:07:28 KEEP
08/27/09 20:07:28 THE DUST DOWN.
08/27/09 20:07:31 PROVIDE --REQUIRED TO PLANT
08/27/09 20:07:34 TREES ALONG COMMON GROUND TO
08/27/09 20:07:36 SERVE AS AN INTERMEDIARY BUFFER
08/27/09 20:07:37 FROM DUST THAT MAY COLLECT.
08/27/09 20:07:39 SOME SPECIES OF TREES THAT GROW
08/27/09 20:07:40 MORE QUICKLY THAN OTHERS.
08/27/09 20:07:41 NOT A FOUR FOOT HEAD CERTAINLY
08/27/09 20:07:44 NOT GOING TO SERVE AS A BUFFER.
08/27/09 20:07:45 AND I REALIZE THAT WE HAVE
08/27/09 20:07:47 INDUSTRIAL NEXT TO INDUSTRIAL
08/27/09 20:07:49 AND WE'RE NOT OPPOSED TO THEIR
08/27/09 20:07:49 OPERATION.
08/27/09 20:07:52 WE JUST NEED THEM TO ADDRESS
08/27/09 20:07:55 THE IMPACTS
08/27/09 20:07:57 OF THE ADDITIONAL
08/27/09 20:07:57 --
08/27/09 20:07:57 >> OKAY.
08/27/09 20:08:00 >> I THOUGHT WE DID HAVE VERY
08/27/09 20:08:02 SIMILAR THING THE MOUNDS
08/27/09 20:08:05 WEREN'T AS BIG BUT AGGREGATE
08/27/09 20:08:06 AND EAST YBOR.
08/27/09 20:08:07 DIDN'T WE TALK ABOUT THAT?
08/27/09 20:08:10 --SO I THINK IT HAS COME UP
08/27/09 20:08:11 BEFORE AND IT'S NOT AS IF THIS
08/27/09 20:08:13 ISN'T SOMETHING THAT GOES ON
08/27/09 20:08:14 ALL OVER THE PLACE.
08/27/09 20:08:17 IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE THIS
08/27/09 20:08:20 IS
08/27/09 20:08:20 A
08/27/09 20:08:21 GOOD NEIGHBOR ISSUE.
08/27/09 20:08:24 THERE OUGHT TO BE WAYS TO
08/27/09 20:08:25 MANAGE IT.
08/27/09 20:08:26 I'M SURE THERE ARE.
08/27/09 20:08:28 I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR THAT FROM
08/27/09 20:08:30 THE PETITIONER WHAT THEY PLAN
08/27/09 20:08:33 TO DO ABOUT THAT IN ADDITION
08/27/09 20:08:36 TO
08/27/09 20:08:39 HOPEFULLY KEEPING THE HEIGHT
08/27/09 20:08:41 DOWN.
08/27/09 20:08:43 >> FROM THE PUBLIC.
08/27/09 20:08:44 NEXT SPEAKER.
08/27/09 20:08:45 >> GOOD EVENING.
08/27/09 20:08:46 MY NAME IS SCOTT HALL.
08/27/09 20:08:49 PRESIDENT OF PHOENIX
08/27/09 20:08:51 SALES.
08/27/09 20:08:52 I'M IN THE SOUTHWEST CORNER.
08/27/09 20:08:55 I WILL TELL YOU ON A DAILY
08/27/09 20:08:56 BASIS THAT MY INVENTORY, I'M
08/27/09 20:08:57 NOT IN THE ROOFING BUSINESS,
08/27/09 20:09:00 I'M IN THE ROOFING WHOLESALE
08/27/09 20:09:00 BUSINESS.
08/27/09 20:09:01 OFF WHOLESALE BUSINESS WITH
08/27/09 20:09:03 APPROXIMATELY 15 TO 20
08/27/09 20:09:03 EMPLOYEES.
08/27/09 20:09:04 I RUN TRUCKS.
08/27/09 20:09:06 I KEEP INVENTORY OF CLOSE TO $2
08/27/09 20:09:07 MILLION IN THE BUILDING.
08/27/09 20:09:09 THAT INVENTORY IS EFFECTED ON A
08/27/09 20:09:12 DAILY BASIS BY THE DUST FROM
08/27/09 20:09:12 THESE STACKS.
08/27/09 20:09:14 IF YOU HAVE A CODE IN PLACE
08/27/09 20:09:16 THESE STACKS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE
08/27/09 20:09:18 SIX FEET HIGH, THEY ARE 40 TO
08/27/09 20:09:21 50 TO 60 FEET
08/27/09 20:09:24 HIGH
08/27/09 20:09:26 NOW.
08/27/09 20:09:26 THERE'S NO CODE ENFORCEMENT.
08/27/09 20:09:28 IT EFFECTS --I HAVE A BLACK
08/27/09 20:09:28 CAR.
08/27/09 20:09:30 I WASH IT EVERY WEEKEND.
08/27/09 20:09:33 BY NOONTIME IT IS COVERED
08/27/09 20:09:36 WITH
08/27/09 20:09:36 DUST.
08/27/09 20:09:37 ON A WEEKLY BASIS.
08/27/09 20:09:38 I HAVE NO IDEA HOW IT'S
08/27/09 20:09:39 EFFECTING THE HEALTH OF MY
08/27/09 20:09:42 EMPLOYEES TO HAVE ALL THIS DUST
08/27/09 20:09:44 COME OVER.
08/27/09 20:09:45 IT CAN'T BE GOOD.
08/27/09 20:09:47 YOU ALSO HAVE FLOWING WATER
08/27/09 20:09:50 FROM DRAINAGE GOING
08/27/09 20:09:51 THROUGH
08/27/09 20:09:52 THIS PROPERTY.
08/27/09 20:09:55 COMES DOWN GOES TO THE CSX
08/27/09 20:09:55 PROPERTY UNDERNEATH THE TRACKS.
08/27/09 20:09:58 SOME FLOWS ON THE NORTH SIDE OF
08/27/09 20:10:00 THE PROPERTY THAT I LEASE AND
08/27/09 20:10:02 THEN GOES THROUGH CONTINUES TO
08/27/09 20:10:03 GO THROUGH THE KIMMINS
08/27/09 20:10:03 PROPERTY.
08/27/09 20:10:06 IT HAS TO BE TAKING SOME OF
08/27/09 20:10:09 THIS REFUSE THROUGH IT.
08/27/09 20:10:12 IF YOU'VE GOT AIRBORNE STUFF
08/27/09 20:10:14 THAT'S GOING INTO THAT WATER.
08/27/09 20:10:17 REALLY YOU'RE WELCOME TO COME
08/27/09 20:10:17 OVER AND SEE.
08/27/09 20:10:20 I TRY TO GET MY FLOORS SWEPT
08/27/09 20:10:21 ON
08/27/09 20:10:21 A DAILY BASIS.
08/27/09 20:10:22 MY BACK WAREHOUSE SOMETIMES I
08/27/09 20:10:25 HAVE A HALF INCH OF DIRT ON
08/27/09 20:10:25 THAT FLOOR.
08/27/09 20:10:28 I'M NOT DEVELOPING --I DON'T
08/27/09 20:10:31 HAVE
08/27/09 20:10:32 ANYTHING THAT MAKES DIRT.
08/27/09 20:10:35 IT'S MORE THAN A
08/27/09 20:10:36 GOOD NEIGHBOR
08/27/09 20:10:36 SITUATION.
08/27/09 20:10:39 WE'VE BEEN LIVING WITH IT,
08/27/09 20:10:40 I'VE
08/27/09 20:10:43 BEEN THERE FOR FOUR YEARS.
08/27/09 20:10:44 IT'S BEGINNING TO GET WORSE.
08/27/09 20:10:46 IT GETS WORSE AS THE STACKS GET
08/27/09 20:10:46 HIGHER.
08/27/09 20:10:48 ANYONE IS WELCOME TO COME AND
08/27/09 20:10:48 VISIT WITH ME.
08/27/09 20:10:51 WE WANT TO
08/27/09 20:10:53 BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR
08/27/09 20:10:53 ALSO.
08/27/09 20:10:55 I THINK YOU'VE SEEN THE
08/27/09 20:10:56 PICTURES OF THE STACKS.
08/27/09 20:10:58 THEY'RE WAY OUT OF COMPLIANCE.
08/27/09 20:11:00 SOMEBODY'S GOT TO BE ENFORCING
08/27/09 20:11:01 THE COMPLIANCE OF THIS.
08/27/09 20:11:03 I HAVE NO IDEA WHY THERE HASN'T
08/27/09 20:11:06 BEEN ANY
08/27/09 20:11:07 COMPLIANCE ENFORCED ON
08/27/09 20:11:09 IT PRESENTLY.
08/27/09 20:11:12 THAT'S ALL I
08/27/09 20:11:14 HAVE TO SAY.
08/27/09 20:11:17 >> SIR, ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH
08/27/09 20:11:18 THE 53rd STREET?
08/27/09 20:11:19 >> NO.
08/27/09 20:11:19 I'M NOT.
08/27/09 20:11:22 MY BUILDING IS 1801 NORTH 52nd
08/27/09 20:11:22 STREET.
08/27/09 20:11:25 AND I ONLY USE 5nd STREET
08/27/09 20:11:27 FOR
08/27/09 20:11:29 MY VEHICLES AND EMPLOYEES.
08/27/09 20:11:31 >> IT APPEARS 53rd ALMOST BY
08/27/09 20:11:33 SECTS THIS PROPERTY.
08/27/09 20:11:35 I CAN SHOW YOU THIS.
08/27/09 20:11:37 WHAT HE WAS DISCUSSING BEFORE
08/27/09 20:11:39 AS A CONDITION OF THIS WOULD BE
08/27/09 20:11:41 THAT THE 90-FOOT STACKS WOULD
08/27/09 20:11:44 BE TO THE EAST OF 53rd
08/27/09 20:11:45 WHICH
08/27/09 20:11:47 I'M JUST ASKING THE QUESTION.
08/27/09 20:11:47 >> I UNDERSTAND.
08/27/09 20:11:50 >> WHICH APPEARS --WOULD
08/27/09 20:11:52 APPEAR TO PERHAPS MOVE THEM A
08/27/09 20:11:53 FEW HUNDRED FEET AWAY FROM YOU.
08/27/09 20:11:55 >> I WILL TELL YOU THERE ARE
08/27/09 20:11:57 DAYS PARTICULARLY IN STRIDE NOT
08/27/09 20:11:59 THIS TIME OF YEAR OH TIMES WHEN
08/27/09 20:12:01 IT'S DRY IT'S LIKE A DUST
08/27/09 20:12:01 STORM.
08/27/09 20:12:03 I CANNOT IMAGINE HOW SOME OF
08/27/09 20:12:04 THE PEOPLE --I DON'T WANT TO
08/27/09 20:12:06 SPEAK TO THEM I CANNOT IMAGINE
08/27/09 20:12:08 HOW THE RESIDENCES AT THE END
08/27/09 20:12:10 OF THE STREET TOWARD BROADWAY
08/27/09 20:12:10 HOW THEY ACTUALLY LIVE.
08/27/09 20:12:13 NONE OF US WOULD LIVE
08/27/09 20:12:14 IN THOSE
08/27/09 20:12:14 CONDITIONS.
08/27/09 20:12:17 I HAVE NO IDEA WHETHER YOU
08/27/09 20:12:17 MOVE
08/27/09 20:12:18 THAT.
08/27/09 20:12:20 TO ME MOVING A 90-FOOT STACK
08/27/09 20:12:22 200 OR 300 FEET GIVING MY
08/27/09 20:12:23 OPINION I'M NOT AN ENGINEER,
08/27/09 20:12:25 YOU'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE A
08/27/09 20:12:28 LOT OF THIS STUFF COMING DOWN
08/27/09 20:12:31 AND EFFECTING WHAT
08/27/09 20:12:31 I DO.
08/27/09 20:12:33 THAT'S AN OPINION.
08/27/09 20:12:33 >> COUNCILMAN.
08/27/09 20:12:34 >> THANK YOU.
08/27/09 20:12:37 >> DO YOU FEEL THAT IF THERE
08/27/09 20:12:40 WAS A MECHANISM TO SPRAY WATER
08/27/09 20:12:42 ON THESE THINGS IT WOULD KEEP
08/27/09 20:12:43 THE DUST DOWN?
08/27/09 20:12:44 >> THAT MAY WORK.
08/27/09 20:12:47 MAY HAVE TO CAP
08/27/09 20:12:47 THEM.
08/27/09 20:12:47 DIFFERENT WAYS.
08/27/09 20:12:51 SOB ALLUDED TO THERE'S ALL
08/27/09 20:12:52 DIFFERENT WAYS TO CONTROLLING
08/27/09 20:12:52 THINGS.
08/27/09 20:12:54 HAVE 24 HOUR, 365 DAY A YEAR
08/27/09 20:12:56 SPRAYING SYSTEM MAY WORK.
08/27/09 20:12:59 BUT RIGHT NOW IT'S NOT A
08/27/09 20:12:59 GOOD
08/27/09 20:13:00 SITUATION.
08/27/09 20:13:03 YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT STACKS
08/27/09 20:13:03 NOW
08/27/09 20:13:05 THAT ARE PROBABLY ONE OF OUR
08/27/09 20:13:07 BUILDINGS IS 20-FOOT HIGH AND
08/27/09 20:13:10 THIS APPEARS TO BE ANOTHER 15
08/27/09 20:13:11 OR 20-FOOT HIGH STACKS, 100
08/27/09 20:13:12 FEET AWAY FROM IT.
08/27/09 20:13:15 YOU'RE GOING TO RAISE IT TO 90
08/27/09 20:13:15 FEET?
08/27/09 20:13:16 >> OKAY.
08/27/09 20:13:18 WE'LL STICK TO THE QUESTIONS.
08/27/09 20:13:19 ANSWER THE QUESTIONS THAT WILL
08/27/09 20:13:19 HELP US A LOT.
08/27/09 20:13:22 WE HAVE OTHER PEOPLE THAT
08/27/09 20:13:23 NEED
08/27/09 20:13:24 TO SPEAK.
08/27/09 20:13:25 THANK YOU.
08/27/09 20:13:26 >> OKAY.
08/27/09 20:13:26 THANK YOU.
08/27/09 20:13:26 >> NEXT SPEAKER?
08/27/09 20:13:29 ANY OTHER PERSON GOING TO
08/27/09 20:13:29 SPEAK?
08/27/09 20:13:31 OKAY IS THIS IT?
08/27/09 20:13:33 THIS THE LAST SPEAKER?
08/27/09 20:13:33 OKAY.
08/27/09 20:13:33 GO AHEAD MA'AM.
08/27/09 20:13:35 >> MY NAME IS SUE AND I HAVE
08/27/09 20:13:36 NOT BEEN SWORN.
08/27/09 20:13:39 >> YOU WERE WATCHING AT
08/27/09 20:13:42 HOME
08/27/09 20:13:43 AND HEARD --
08/27/09 20:13:44 >> YOU'RE RIGHT.
08/27/09 20:13:45 >> SO HELP ME GOD.
08/27/09 20:13:46 >> THANK YOU.
08/27/09 20:13:46 [ LAUGHTER ]
08/27/09 20:13:49 >> I'M HERE AND I'M NOT
08/27/09 20:13:49 DRESSED.
08/27/09 20:13:52 IT'S BECAUSE I WAS HOME
08/27/09 20:13:53 WATCHING ON TELEVISION.
08/27/09 20:13:54 YOU THINK I'M HERE ABOUT THE
08/27/09 20:13:55 TREE.
08/27/09 20:13:58 MY HEART
08/27/09 20:14:00 IS BROKEN ABOUT THE
08/27/09 20:14:01 TREES.
08/27/09 20:14:04 BUT I'M ANGRY
08/27/09 20:14:05 ABOUT THE 90-FOOT
08/27/09 20:14:05 STACKING.
08/27/09 20:14:06 EVERYBODY PROMISED US WHEN THE
08/27/09 20:14:09 PEOPLE CAME UP AND
08/27/09 20:14:11 SAID WE WILL
08/27/09 20:14:14 ACCEPT THAT ONLY IN
08/27/09 20:14:14 THE COURT.
08/27/09 20:14:15 NOWHERE ELSE.
08/27/09 20:14:16 WOULD NOT BE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD.
08/27/09 20:14:18 WOULD NOT BE IN ANY HOUSES.
08/27/09 20:14:21 IT WOULD BE JUST FOR
08/27/09 20:14:22 THE PORT
08/27/09 20:14:23 NOW IT SEEMS TO BE THEY CAN
08/27/09 20:14:26 HAVE IT THIS ONE CAN HAVE IT
08/27/09 20:14:26 BECAUSE IT'S INDUSTRIAL.
08/27/09 20:14:28 WE WERE PROMISED IT WOULD ONLY
08/27/09 20:14:30 BE IN THE PORT.
08/27/09 20:14:33 AND I
08/27/09 20:14:35 SUPPORTED THE PORT
08/27/09 20:14:37 PERSONALLY TO SAY IT HAD BEEN
08/27/09 20:14:39 IN THE EXISTENCE FOREVER AND WE
08/27/09 20:14:42 DEPENDED ON IT AND IT WAS A
08/27/09 20:14:43 SEPARATE ENTITY.
08/27/09 20:14:44 IT WAS A SEPARATE WORLD.
08/27/09 20:14:47 NOW YOU'RE MOVING IN TO
08/27/09 20:14:49 WHERE
08/27/09 20:14:50 MAN LIVES NEXT DOOR.
08/27/09 20:14:51 SHE SAID THEY'RE UNDER
08/27/09 20:14:52 NEGOTIATIONS WITH THOSE OTHER
08/27/09 20:14:52 PEOPLE.
08/27/09 20:14:54 YOU PUT A 90-FOOT STACK IN MY
08/27/09 20:14:57 BACKYARD YOU BET I'M GOING
08/27/09 20:14:58 TO
08/27/09 20:14:59 NEGOTIATE WITH YOU.
08/27/09 20:15:00 IT'S JUST UNBELIEVABLE THAT
08/27/09 20:15:03 THEY WOULD ASK FOR A 90-FOOT
08/27/09 20:15:04 STACKING.
08/27/09 20:15:05 I'M FOR RECYCLING, I'M FOR ALL
08/27/09 20:15:07 THE GREEN STUFF AND IT HURTS MY
08/27/09 20:15:10 HEART TO THINK THAT THEY'RE
08/27/09 20:15:13 GOING TO CUT DOWN
08/27/09 20:15:14 A GOOD OAK
08/27/09 20:15:14 TREE.
08/27/09 20:15:15 THEY CAN MOVE IT TO THE NORTH
08/27/09 20:15:17 END OF THE PROPERTY.
08/27/09 20:15:20 THEY DON'T CUE UP THAT OFTEN.
08/27/09 20:15:22 AND THEY WOULD CUE UP THAT MUCH
08/27/09 20:15:24 NO MATTER WHERE YOU PUT IT.
08/27/09 20:15:25 IF THEY ALL COME AT THE SAME
08/27/09 20:15:26 TIME THEY'RE ALL GOING TO COME
08/27/09 20:15:27 IN AT THE SAME TIME.
08/27/09 20:15:30 YOU CAN'T MAKE THE
08/27/09 20:15:33 CUE LONG
08/27/09 20:15:33 ENOUGH FOR THEM.
08/27/09 20:15:34 THAT'S MY FEELING.
08/27/09 20:15:36 THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR
08/27/09 20:15:40 ATTENTION.
08/27/09 20:15:52 [ INDISCERNIBLE ]
08/27/09 20:15:54 >> FIVE MINUTE REBUTTAL.
08/27/09 20:15:57 >> I WOULD LIKE TO MENTION THIS
08/27/09 20:15:59 PROPERTY IS THE MOST INTENSIVE
08/27/09 20:16:01 ZONING YOU CAN GAIN IN TAMPA.
08/27/09 20:16:04 THERE'S A FINITE AMOUNT OF IT.
08/27/09 20:16:05 AND IT IS IH PROPERTY.
08/27/09 20:16:06 THERE ARE PROPERTIES IN THE
08/27/09 20:16:09 PORT DISTRICT THAT ARE IH AND
08/27/09 20:16:12 IG THAT ARE ADJACENT TO
08/27/09 20:16:13 90-FOOT
08/27/09 20:16:15 STACKS OF AGGREGATE.
08/27/09 20:16:17 IT HAS TO BE A CONDITION OF THE
08/27/09 20:16:19 PROPERTY IF YOU'RE GOING TO
08/27/09 20:16:21 HAVE IG AND IH USES.
08/27/09 20:16:23 THAT IS WHERE YOU PUT 90-FOOT
08/27/09 20:16:26 STACKS OF AGGREGATE SO THEY
08/27/09 20:16:29 DON'T IMPACT RS-50 PROPERTIES
08/27/09 20:16:31 IN WELLS WOOD OR CAROLWOOD OR
08/27/09 20:16:32 WHENEVER ELSE IN THE CITY.
08/27/09 20:16:34 YOU HAVE TO HAVE PROPER ZONING.
08/27/09 20:16:36 THAT'S WHERE THE WORD ZONING
08/27/09 20:16:37 COMES FROM.
08/27/09 20:16:40 WHEN ZONING WAS
08/27/09 20:16:40 CREATED AFTER
08/27/09 20:16:41 THE 1920s AND AFTER WORLD WAR
08/27/09 20:16:44 II IT CAME IN TO VOTE YOU
08/27/09 20:16:47 DECIDED TO PUT CERTAIN ZONES IN
08/27/09 20:16:50 CITIES WHERE YOU WOULD
08/27/09 20:16:50 NOT HAVE
08/27/09 20:16:53 A RENDERING PLANT NEXT
08/27/09 20:16:54 DOOR TO
08/27/09 20:16:54 AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.
08/27/09 20:16:57 HE IS RIGHT ON THE MONEY ON THE
08/27/09 20:16:59 WHOLE ISSUE OF THE DUST.
08/27/09 20:17:01 WE ARE REGULATED BY THE EPC.
08/27/09 20:17:02 YOU CANNOT HAVE FUGITIVE DUST
08/27/09 20:17:05 WHICH IS A TERM
08/27/09 20:17:07 THAT'S IN THE
08/27/09 20:17:10 CODE IF WE ARE VIOLATING
08/27/09 20:17:12 REGULATIONS THAT IS A PROPER
08/27/09 20:17:12 AUTHORITY TO REGULATE DUST.
08/27/09 20:17:14 THEY DO IT DAY IN AND DAY OUT.
08/27/09 20:17:16 WE CANNOT BECOME A NUISANCE.
08/27/09 20:17:18 THAT'S THE OTHER THING HE
08/27/09 20:17:18 MENTIONED.
08/27/09 20:17:20 YOU CANNOT RAISE YOUR ZONING AS
08/27/09 20:17:22 A DEFENSE TO A NUISANCE.
08/27/09 20:17:23 IF --EVEN THOUGH YOU HAVE THE
08/27/09 20:17:25 PROPER ZONING YOU HAVE NO RIGHT
08/27/09 20:17:26 TO BECOME A NUISANCE TO SOMEONE
08/27/09 20:17:27 ELSE.
08/27/09 20:17:28 WE ALWAYS BEAR THAT RISK BUT
08/27/09 20:17:30 THAT IS A COMMON LAW RIGHT THAT
08/27/09 20:17:32 EVERY LANDOWNER AROUND US HAS
08/27/09 20:17:34 AND MAY ENFORCE THAT.
08/27/09 20:17:35 YOU ARE MERELY ADDRESSING
08/27/09 20:17:37 WHETHER THIS IS A PROPER USE OF
08/27/09 20:17:40 THE PROPERTY UNDER THE IH
08/27/09 20:17:42 ZONING AND THE OVERLYING PLAN
08/27/09 20:17:42 DESIGNATION THAT MR. GARCIA
08/27/09 20:17:44 EXPLAINED TO YOU AND FOUND THAT
08/27/09 20:17:47 WE WERE CONSISTENT
08/27/09 20:17:50 WITH THE
08/27/09 20:17:51 PLAN DESIGNATION.
08/27/09 20:17:53 I SYMPATHIZE WITH THE GENTLEMAN
08/27/09 20:17:55 THAT SPOKE IN OPPOSITION.
08/27/09 20:17:56 BUT THIS IS AN INDUSTRIAL AREA.
08/27/09 20:17:59 THIS IS WHERE IT HAS TO
08/27/09 20:18:00 GO.
08/27/09 20:18:01 WE HAVE MOVED THINGS AROUND AS
08/27/09 20:18:04 MUCH AS POSSIBLE IN THE FORM OF
08/27/09 20:18:05 A PD.
08/27/09 20:18:06 WE COULD HAVE BEEN VERY SIMPLE
08/27/09 20:18:07 MINDED ABOUT IT AND COME
08/27/09 20:18:11 FORWARD AND SAID WE'RE GOING TO
08/27/09 20:18:13 ZONE THE ENTIRE AREA IH,
08/27/09 20:18:13 INDUSTRIAL HEAVY THE STRONGEST
08/27/09 20:18:15 ZONING IN THE CITY, BUT WE
08/27/09 20:18:17 DECIDED YOU KNOW THIS IS A
08/27/09 20:18:18 LARGE PIECE OF PROPERTY.
08/27/09 20:18:19 THERE ARE CERTAIN NOOKS AND
08/27/09 20:18:22 CRANNIES YOU HAVE TO WORK
08/27/09 20:18:22 OUT.
08/27/09 20:18:24 YOU HAVE A RAIL SIGHTING.
08/27/09 20:18:26 ACCESS OFF 53rd TO MOVE TO
08/27/09 20:18:26 54th.
08/27/09 20:18:27 THE PLANNERS WITH THE CITY AND
08/27/09 20:18:28 PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED
08/27/09 20:18:30 TO US AND RIGHTLY SO YOU NEED
08/27/09 20:18:32 TO DO A PD TO MAKE THESE THINGS
08/27/09 20:18:33 WORK.
08/27/09 20:18:35 AND THAT'S WHAT WE DID.
08/27/09 20:18:36 WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THE
08/27/09 20:18:37 APPROVAL AND WE ALSO
08/27/09 20:18:40 RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT YOU
08/27/09 20:18:42 APPROVE THE 90-FOOT STACKING
08/27/09 20:18:42 HEIGHT.
08/27/09 20:18:44 >> EAST OF 53rd.
08/27/09 20:18:44 >> YEAH.
08/27/09 20:18:45 EAST OF 53rd, YEAH.
08/27/09 20:18:47 AND ONE OTHER THING WE NEED TO
08/27/09 20:18:47 FIX THE SITE PLAN.
08/27/09 20:18:49 THERE ARE A COUPLE OTHER ISSUES
08/27/09 20:18:51 THAT NEED TO BE REPAIRED.
08/27/09 20:18:54 I RETRACT MY STATEMENT TO ABBEY
08/27/09 20:18:55 ABOUT AUTO.
08/27/09 20:18:56 I WAS INCORRECT ON THAT.
08/27/09 20:18:58 SHE WAS READING VERBATIM FROM
08/27/09 20:18:59 THE CODE IN WHAT DEFINES OUR
08/27/09 20:19:00 USE AND AUTO IS IN THERE.
08/27/09 20:19:03 SO I DID NOT MEAN TO CALL THAT
08/27/09 20:19:05 OUT OF QUESTION.
08/27/09 20:19:08 SHE WAS CORRECT ON
08/27/09 20:19:09 THAT.
08/27/09 20:19:10 SO WE ARE NOT EXPECTING FIRST
08/27/09 20:19:11 READING THIS EVENING.
08/27/09 20:19:13 WE WOULD LIKE TO FIX THE SITE
08/27/09 20:19:14 PLAN AND COME BACK FURTHER
08/27/09 20:19:15 HEARING WITH A FIRST READING
08/27/09 20:19:18 WITH THE
08/27/09 20:19:18 SITE PLAN ALL
08/27/09 20:19:19 CORRECTED.
08/27/09 20:19:20 THANK YOU.
08/27/09 20:19:21 >> I HAVE A QUESTION.
08/27/09 20:19:22 >> YES.
08/27/09 20:19:25 >> NOT FOR HIM BUT
08/27/09 20:19:26 FOR ABBEY.
08/27/09 20:19:27 ABBEY, COULD YOU COME UP?
08/27/09 20:19:28 AT THE VERY BEGINNING YOU
08/27/09 20:19:31 SHOWED US A NUMBER OF
08/27/09 20:19:34 PHOTOGRAPHS, COULD YOU SHOW US
08/27/09 20:19:36 THE PHOTOGRAPH OF THE ONE WITH
08/27/09 20:19:37 ALL THE TREES?
08/27/09 20:19:40 AND I HAVE A
08/27/09 20:19:42 QUESTION ABOUT THE
08/27/09 20:19:42 NORTH-SOUTH DIMENSION IN THE
08/27/09 20:19:44 NORTHERLY PORTION OF THE
08/27/09 20:19:44 PROPERTY.
08/27/09 20:19:47 IT'S REALLY DIFFICULT WHEN
08/27/09 20:19:48 YOU'RE LOOKING AT A LARGE SITE
08/27/09 20:19:51 PLAN LIKE THIS TO HAVE A SENSE
08/27/09 20:19:52 OF WHETHER WE'RE TALKING 100
08/27/09 20:19:55 FEET, 1,000 FEET, 2,000
08/27/09 20:20:00 FEET,
08/27/09 20:20:01 IT'S REALLY HARD.
08/27/09 20:20:01 IT ISN'T CLEAR.
08/27/09 20:20:04 >> GIVE
08/27/09 20:20:05 ME JUST A SECOND.
08/27/09 20:20:08 >> SURE.
08/27/09 20:20:17 >> I THINK
08/27/09 20:20:18 YOU WERE
08/27/09 20:20:20 AUDIOCASSETTING ABOUT THE ONE
08/27/09 20:20:20 MID.
08/27/09 20:20:21 >> THAT'S THE ONE.
08/27/09 20:20:21 YES.
08/27/09 20:20:22 I WOULD LIKE MY FELLOW COUNCIL
08/27/09 20:20:25 MEMBERS TO
08/27/09 20:20:28 LOOK AT THIS
08/27/09 20:20:28 PHOTOGRAPH.
08/27/09 20:20:31 >> THIS IS
08/27/09 20:20:33 LIKE PARADISE.
08/27/09 20:20:33 THANK YOU.
08/27/09 20:20:36 THIS IS WHAT
08/27/09 20:20:39 WILL BE
08/27/09 20:20:41 DESTROYED.
08/27/09 20:20:43 AND MY QUESTION IS COULDN'T IF
08/27/09 20:20:45 THE QUESTION OF THE SCALES
08/27/09 20:20:47 BEING YOU KNOW I DON'T KNOW HOW
08/27/09 20:20:49 FAR IT IS FROM THE NORTHERLY
08/27/09 20:20:51 BOUNDARY IF IT'S TEN FEET OR
08/27/09 20:20:54 100 FEET OR 1,000 FEET, IF IT
08/27/09 20:20:57 WERE
08/27/09 20:21:00 FURTHER TO THE NORTH
08/27/09 20:21:01 A
08/27/09 20:21:02 GREATER PORTION BE SAVED.
08/27/09 20:21:04 MY QUESTION IS HOW DEEP IS THE
08/27/09 20:21:05 PROPERTY FROM THE NORTHERN
08/27/09 20:21:08 BOUNDENLY TO
08/27/09 20:21:10 WHERE THE SCALE IS
08/27/09 20:21:10 CURRENTLY?
08/27/09 20:21:12 DOESN'T HAVE TO BE EXACT.
08/27/09 20:21:14 100 FEET, 500 FEET, 1,000 FEET.
08/27/09 20:21:17 IT'S HARD TO GET A SENSE OF IT.
08/27/09 20:21:28 [ INDISCERNIBLE ] IF THE
08/27/09 20:21:31 GENTLEMAN IS THE ENGINEER KNOWS
08/27/09 20:21:34 THE
08/27/09 20:21:37 ANSWER PLEASE SHARE IT.
08/27/09 20:21:40 >> I'M GOING
08/27/09 20:21:42 TO TRY TO FOCUS IN
08/27/09 20:21:43 A LITTLE BIT ZOOM IN A LITTLE
08/27/09 20:21:46 BIT FOR YOU BECAUSE ALL
08/27/09 20:21:48 THOSE
08/27/09 20:21:51 LITTLE DOTS ARE TREES.
08/27/09 20:21:53 THIS IS ABOUT 600 OR 650 FEET
08/27/09 20:21:53 FROM BROADWAY.
08/27/09 20:21:54 >> OKAY.
08/27/09 20:21:56 >> AND YOU'LL SEE THERE'S A
08/27/09 20:21:58 LITTLE SPRINKLING AND THE
08/27/09 20:21:59 LARGER TREES ARE THERE.
08/27/09 20:22:00 BUT WHERE I JUST SHOWED YOU THE
08/27/09 20:22:02 PICTURE OF WAS PROBABLY MORE UP
08/27/09 20:22:05 IN THIS AREA
08/27/09 20:22:06 WHERE THIS VERY
08/27/09 20:22:07 LARGE CLUSTER OF TREES IS.
08/27/09 20:22:10 >> SO THOSE WILL
08/27/09 20:22:16 BASICALLY
08/27/09 20:22:16 REMAIN.
08/27/09 20:22:16 >> YES.
08/27/09 20:22:17 >> THAT'S GREAT.
08/27/09 20:22:20 >> OH, I NEED MY
08/27/09 20:22:21 MAGNIFYING
08/27/09 20:22:22 GLASS TO SHOW THE EXACT.
08/27/09 20:22:25 >> IT'S NOT
08/27/09 20:22:26 CLEAR FROM OUR
08/27/09 20:22:27 DRAWING THAT THEY'RE REMAINING
08/27/09 20:22:30 OR THAT AREA WILL BE PAVEED.
08/27/09 20:22:30 >> IT'S VERY HARD.
08/27/09 20:22:32 MARY AND DAVE WERE OUT ON THE
08/27/09 20:22:34 SITE WITH THEM ABOUT THREE OR
08/27/09 20:22:35 FOUR TIMES I BELIEVE.
08/27/09 20:22:36 AND THERE IS ACTUALLY A WHOLE
08/27/09 20:22:38 TREE INVENTORY THAT'S PAGES AND
08/27/09 20:22:40 PAGES LONG THAT ASSOCIATES THIS
08/27/09 20:22:42 SITE PLAN AND THEY ARE EACH
08/27/09 20:22:43 NUMBERED SO WE COULD GO
08/27/09 20:22:43 THROUGH.
08/27/09 20:22:45 >> BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING IN WE
08/27/09 20:22:46 LOOK AT THE SITE PLAN AND SEE
08/27/09 20:22:48 THE PAVEED PORTION, THE REST OF
08/27/09 20:22:50 THE SITE WILL REMAIN --THE
08/27/09 20:22:51 REST OF THE NORTHERLY PORTION
08/27/09 20:22:54 WILL REMAIN IN TACT, ONLY
08/27/09 20:22:55 THE
08/27/09 20:22:56 DRIVEWAY WILL BE PAVEED.
08/27/09 20:22:59 THAT'S BETTER THAN IT COULD
08/27/09 20:22:59 BE.
08/27/09 20:23:00 OKAY.
08/27/09 20:23:00 >> YES.
08/27/09 20:23:03 AND IN THE FUTURE BECAUSE LET'S
08/27/09 20:23:04 TALK RETAINING THE IG
08/27/09 20:23:06 REGULATIONS AT THE TOP OF THAT
08/27/09 20:23:06 SITE.
08/27/09 20:23:09 I DON'T KNOW IF UNDER FUTURE
08/27/09 20:23:12 DEVELOPMENT THINGS WILL GO
08/27/09 20:23:12 THERE.
08/27/09 20:23:14 THAT'S PART OF THIS REZONING IS
08/27/09 20:23:18 THAT THERE'S A RETENTION OF THE
08/27/09 20:23:19 IG ENTITLEMENTS AND CI
08/27/09 20:23:21 ENTITLEMENTS ON THIS PROPERTY
08/27/09 20:23:23 FOR FUTURE LIKE A CONTRACTOR'S
08/27/09 20:23:24 OFFICE OR RETAIL PORTION THAT
08/27/09 20:23:26 MIGHT BE LOCATED OUT TOWARDS
08/27/09 20:23:27 THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY.
08/27/09 20:23:30 >> LET'S SAY THEY WANTED TO
08/27/09 20:23:33 BUILD THREE ACRES OF PARKING
08/27/09 20:23:35 THEY COULD DO THAT.
08/27/09 20:23:35 >> PERHAPS.
08/27/09 20:23:37 THE SITE IS OVER AN ACRE AND
08/27/09 20:23:40 THEY'RE REQUIRED
08/27/09 20:23:43 50% RETENTION
08/27/09 20:23:46 OF THEIR TREES.
08/27/09 20:23:46 I'M SORRY.
08/27/09 20:23:46 25%.
08/27/09 20:23:49 BECAUSE THIS SITE
08/27/09 20:23:50 IS CONSIDERED
08/27/09 20:23:51 TO BE WOODED.
08/27/09 20:23:52 SO MARY CAN SPEAK A LITTLE BIT
08/27/09 20:23:55 FURTHER TO THAT, BUT THAT'S
08/27/09 20:23:56 PART OF WHY THE INVENTORY WE
08/27/09 20:23:58 HAVE TODAY WILL BE A RUNNING
08/27/09 20:24:00 INVENTORY WITH THIS AS WE MOVE
08/27/09 20:24:00 FORWARD IN THE FUTURE.
08/27/09 20:24:03 >> SO IN OTHER WORDS YOU
08/27/09 20:24:03 CAN'T
08/27/09 20:24:06 TAKE 75% NOW AND 75% OF THE
08/27/09 20:24:06 REMAINING --
08/27/09 20:24:08 >> YES, YOU CAN KEEP DOUBLE
08/27/09 20:24:10 DIPPING, TRIPLE DIPPING.
08/27/09 20:24:13 >> AND WE'LL KEEP TRACK
08/27/09 20:24:13 OF
08/27/09 20:24:14 THAT?
08/27/09 20:24:14 >> YES.
08/27/09 20:24:14 >> GOOD.
08/27/09 20:24:15 THANKS.
08/27/09 20:24:18 >> ANY
08/27/09 20:24:20 OTHER QUESTIONS BY
08/27/09 20:24:20 COUNCIL?
08/27/09 20:24:20 OKAY.
08/27/09 20:24:20 YES.
08/27/09 20:24:22 >> I AM VERY, VERY CONCERNED
08/27/09 20:24:23 ABOUT THE 90-FOOT STACK.
08/27/09 20:24:26 I NEED OUR STAFF TO TELL US
08/27/09 20:24:27 WHAT GIVEN THAT THE RULES ARE
08/27/09 20:24:30 NOW THAT IT'S SIX FEET AND
08/27/09 20:24:32 GIVEN THAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR
08/27/09 20:24:34 90 AND GIVEN THAT WE'VE HEARD
08/27/09 20:24:35 TESTIMONY FROM THE NEIGHBORS
08/27/09 20:24:36 THAT 90 IS CREATING A REAL
08/27/09 20:24:40 PROBLEM AND THERE ARE
08/27/09 20:24:40 RESIDENTIAL USES IN PROXIMITY
08/27/09 20:24:43 AS OPPOSED TO WHERE THE PORT IS
08/27/09 20:24:45 WHERE THERE ARE NOT RESIDENTIAL
08/27/09 20:24:46 USES IN PROXIMITY, DOES COUNCIL
08/27/09 20:24:49 IF COUNCIL WERE TO SAY NO TO 90
08/27/09 20:24:52 FEET ARE WE ON
08/27/09 20:24:53 SOLID GROUND?
08/27/09 20:24:54 >> I BELIEVE SO.
08/27/09 20:24:56 AND THAT'S WHY I PROVIDED IN
08/27/09 20:24:58 THE BACK OF THE STAFF REPORT
08/27/09 20:25:00 THE WAIVER CRITERIA FOR WHEN
08/27/09 20:25:02 YOU ARE ISSUING OR APPROVING A
08/27/09 20:25:03 WAIVER.
08/27/09 20:25:05 A LOT OF TIMES WE SEE THIS IS A
08/27/09 20:25:07 PD THEY CAN ASK FOR WAIVER FOR
08/27/09 20:25:08 THAT PROVISION TO THE CODE BUT
08/27/09 20:25:11 THERE IS ACTUALLY A SET OF
08/27/09 20:25:13 CONDITIONS TO BE REVIEWED AT
08/27/09 20:25:16 THE TIME AND
08/27/09 20:25:19 A WAIVER IS BEING
08/27/09 20:25:19 APPROVED.
08/27/09 20:25:21 CODE IS SIX FEET EXCEPT IN THE
08/27/09 20:25:23 PORT AREA AS I PREVIOUSLY
08/27/09 20:25:25 STATED THERE IS A POTENTIAL FOR
08/27/09 20:25:26 45 FEET.
08/27/09 20:25:27 AGAIN, THAT HAS NOT BEEN
08/27/09 20:25:30 REVIEWED OR A PENDING ORDINANCE
08/27/09 20:25:33 UNDER COUNCIL
08/27/09 20:25:36 AT
08/27/09 20:25:38 THIS TIME.
08/27/09 20:25:41 STAFF IS OBJECTING WE CAN TELL
08/27/09 20:25:44 YOU IT'S TO BE SIX
08/27/09 20:25:44 FEET.
08/27/09 20:25:47 THERE ARE SOME
08/27/09 20:25:50 WAYS
08/27/09 20:25:53 TO LOOK AT
08/27/09 20:25:56 THIS
08/27/09 20:25:58 WAIVER TO BE REMOVED FROM
08/27/09 20:26:00 THE SITE PLAN AND THEY WOULD BE
08/27/09 20:26:03 ASKED TO MAINTAIN THE SIX
08/27/09 20:26:05 FEET
08/27/09 20:26:05 THAT'S CURRENTLY OPEN STORAGE.
08/27/09 20:26:08 IF THAT WERE TO BE ACCEPTABLE
08/27/09 20:26:09 CONDITION FROM THE PETITIONER.
08/27/09 20:26:11 >> IF I CAN STATE FURTHER YES
08/27/09 20:26:13 YOU WOULD BE ANALYZING THIS
08/27/09 20:26:16 PETITION IN THE WAIVERS IN
08/27/09 20:26:19 LIGHT OF THE CRITERIA THEY ARE
08/27/09 20:26:22 PART
08/27/09 20:26:24 OF YOUR STAFF REPORT.
08/27/09 20:26:26 ANALYZE IN THE SPECIFIC WAIVERS
08/27/09 20:26:27 AND MAKING DETERMINATION.
08/27/09 20:26:30 YOU DO IT AS A WHOLE.
08/27/09 20:26:31 IF THAT'S SOMETHING CITY
08/27/09 20:26:32 COUNCIL GIVEN THE RECORD FEELS
08/27/09 20:26:33 IT NOT APPROPRIATE DOESN'T MEET
08/27/09 20:26:34 THE WAIVER CRITERIA YOU WOULD
08/27/09 20:26:37 GO AHEAD AND VOTE TO DENY THE
08/27/09 20:26:37 PETITION.
08/27/09 20:26:38 I DID WANT TO ALSO INDICATE
08/27/09 20:26:40 THAT SINCE YOU DID TAKE
08/27/09 20:26:42 ADDITIONAL EVIDENCE TESTIMONY
08/27/09 20:26:43 INTO THE RECORD BY WAY OF HER
08/27/09 20:26:46 COMMENTS, YOU SHOULD AT LEAST
08/27/09 20:26:47 HEAR FROM HIM AS TO WHETHER OR
08/27/09 20:26:48 NOT HE HAS ANY ADDITIONAL
08/27/09 20:26:52 COMMENTS AS
08/27/09 20:26:55 IT
08/27/09 20:26:59 RELATES TO THAT
08/27/09 20:26:59 INFORMATION.
08/27/09 20:27:01 >> MR. RAN DOFF TO THAT
08/27/09 20:27:02 INFORMATION.
08/27/09 20:27:04 >> CAN I ASK A QUESTION?
08/27/09 20:27:06 >> RELATED TO THE INFORMATION
08/27/09 20:27:06 --
08/27/09 20:27:06 >> YEAH.
08/27/09 20:27:08 JOHN, IT'S THE QUESTION TO YOU.
08/27/09 20:27:10 IS WHEN I DID GO OUT THERE AND
08/27/09 20:27:12 SEE THIS CLEARLY THE MOUNDS
08/27/09 20:27:15 THAT I SAW WERE
08/27/09 20:27:16 ALREADY 30 OR
08/27/09 20:27:19 40 OR 50 FEET OF
08/27/09 20:27:20 CRUSHED
08/27/09 20:27:23 WHATEVER AGGREGATE OR WHATEVER
08/27/09 20:27:24 IT WAS.
08/27/09 20:27:25 CRUSHED STEEL HERE.
08/27/09 20:27:28 CRUSHED
08/27/09 20:27:29 STEEL HERE.
08/27/09 20:27:30 THAT SORT OF THING.
08/27/09 20:27:31 DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT THE
08/27/09 20:27:35 EXISTING HEIGHT IS OF ANY OF
08/27/09 20:27:37 THOSE MOUNDS RIGHT NOW?
08/27/09 20:27:37 DOES YOUR STAFF PERSON --
08/27/09 20:27:40 >> LET
08/27/09 20:27:43 ME
08/27/09 20:27:44 SEE IF CAN DISKNOWS.
08/27/09 20:27:45 >> COME TO THE MIKE.
08/27/09 20:27:47 >> MA'AM, IF YOU COULD STATE ON
08/27/09 20:27:50 THE RECORD PLEASE STATE
08/27/09 20:27:52 YOUR
08/27/09 20:27:55 NAME
08/27/09 20:27:56 AGAIN PLEASE.
08/27/09 20:27:56 >> KIMMINS CONTRACTING.
08/27/09 20:27:59 THE PICTURE ONE OF THE OPPOSERS
08/27/09 20:28:01 SHOWED I WOULD GUESS AND I KNOW
08/27/09 20:28:04 THAT THAT PILE THERE WOULD
08/27/09 20:28:06 BE
08/27/09 20:28:07 NO HIGHER THAN 50 FEET.
08/27/09 20:28:09 >> AND HAVE YOU HAD PILES
08/27/09 20:28:12 HIGHER THAN THAT IN THE PAST?
08/27/09 20:28:12 >> YES.
08/27/09 20:28:14 HAVE YOU EVER BEEN ON THE CROSS
08/27/09 20:28:16 TOWN ONE OUR ROAD BASE PILE WAS
08/27/09 20:28:17 AT MAXIMUM YOU COULD SEE IT
08/27/09 20:28:20 FROM THE HIGH DECK OF THE CROSS
08/27/09 20:28:22 TOWN.
08/27/09 20:28:23 WHAT THAT FEET IS I DON'T
08/27/09 20:28:24 REMEMBER.
08/27/09 20:28:25 I HAVEN'T TAKEN A MEASUREMENT
08/27/09 20:28:25 TO IT.
08/27/09 20:28:27 IT'S NOT AT THAT HEIGHT AT THIS
08/27/09 20:28:30 POINT IN TIME BECAUSE WE'VE
08/27/09 20:28:32 SOLD MAJORITY OF THAT MATERIAL.
08/27/09 20:28:33 I DON'T HAVE A MAX.
08/27/09 20:28:35 ALL I KNOW IS WE HAVE A
08/27/09 20:28:36 CONVEYER.
08/27/09 20:28:37 AND THE REASON WE'RE ASKING FOR
08/27/09 20:28:39 IT IS REALLY FOR COST
08/27/09 20:28:40 EFFICIENCY BECAUSE WHEN YOU
08/27/09 20:28:42 STACK MATERIAL AND DON'T HAVE
08/27/09 20:28:44 TO CONTINUALLY MOVE IT YOU'RE
08/27/09 20:28:46 SPENDING LESS MONEY DOING IT
08/27/09 20:28:49 AND ULTIMATELY IT BEING ABLE TO
08/27/09 20:28:52 SELL
08/27/09 20:28:55 YOUR MATERIALS FOR LESS.
08/27/09 20:29:01 I'M PART OF THE SAFETY
08/27/09 20:29:02 TEAM.
08/27/09 20:29:02 >> OKAY.
08/27/09 20:29:03 ARE YOU AWARE OF THESE CONCERNS
08/27/09 20:29:06 ABOUT DUST FROM YOUR AT LEAST
08/27/09 20:29:07 TWO OF YOUR NEIGHBORS?
08/27/09 20:29:08 >> ACTUALLY TO BE TOTALLY
08/27/09 20:29:10 HONEST I HAVE GONE OVER TO THE
08/27/09 20:29:11 RENTER AT THE ROOFING COMPANY
08/27/09 20:29:12 AND I DID NOT SPEAK WITH THE
08/27/09 20:29:13 GENTLEMAN THAT WAS SPEAKING BUT
08/27/09 20:29:15 I BELIEVE IT WAS HIS SON HE
08/27/09 20:29:16 TOLD ME HE'S VICE PRESIDENT AND
08/27/09 20:29:19 I WENT OVER THERE TWO TIMES AND
08/27/09 20:29:22 ASKED HIM IF THERE WAS ANY
08/27/09 20:29:23 CONCERNS THAT THEY HAD AND HE
08/27/09 20:29:25 TOLD ME THERE WASN'T BECAUSE I
08/27/09 20:29:29 TOLD HIM WE WANT TO KNOW
08/27/09 20:29:29 ABOUT
08/27/09 20:29:31 THINGS THAT ARE BOTHERING YOU.
08/27/09 20:29:34 AT THAT POINT IN TIME --
08/27/09 20:29:36 >> HOW ABOUT THE AUTO JUNK
08/27/09 20:29:36 YARD?
08/27/09 20:29:39 >> I KNOW THAT HE SPEAKS WITH
08/27/09 20:29:42 MR.
08/27/09 20:29:43 WILLIAMS.
08/27/09 20:29:44 I KNOW WE'VE SPOKEN BEFORE.
08/27/09 20:29:47 I WENT AWARE OF ANY ISSUES
08/27/09 20:29:49 AT
08/27/09 20:29:50 THIS POINT IN TIME.
08/27/09 20:29:52 I THINK WE ARE GOOD NEIGHBORS.
08/27/09 20:29:54 WE WILL TRY TO WORK WITH
08/27/09 20:29:56 ANYBODY AND TRY TO DO WHAT WE
08/27/09 20:29:58 CAN TO MAKE EVERYBODY HAPPY.
08/27/09 20:30:01 IT'S HARD TO MAKE EVERYBODY
08/27/09 20:30:01 HAPPY.
08/27/09 20:30:01 >> OKAY.
08/27/09 20:30:02 THANK YOU.
08/27/09 20:30:03 WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST SINCE YOU
08/27/09 20:30:05 WERE SAYING YOU'RE NOT
08/27/09 20:30:06 NECESSARILY LOOKING FOR FIRST
08/27/09 20:30:07 READING TONIGHT BUT I THINK IT
08/27/09 20:30:09 SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE GETTING
08/27/09 20:30:10 CLOSER IS PERHAPS IN THE
08/27/09 20:30:12 INTERIM BETWEEN NOW AND FIRST
08/27/09 20:30:14 READING WHEN YOU COME BACK THAT
08/27/09 20:30:15 YOU COULD SPEAK WITH THESE
08/27/09 20:30:17 PEOPLE AND MAYBE THERE'S A
08/27/09 20:30:17 COMPROMISE HEIGHT.
08/27/09 20:30:19 I DON'T THINK SIX FEET IS VERY
08/27/09 20:30:21 REALISTIC FOR THE TYPE OF
08/27/09 20:30:23 OPERATION THEY'RE DOING.
08/27/09 20:30:25 IF YA'LL HAVEN'T SEEN IT, THEY
08/27/09 20:30:28 DID SIX FEET THEY'D NEED THE
08/27/09 20:30:31 ENTIRE PROPERTY EAST TO WEST.
08/27/09 20:30:32 SO IT'S JUST SILLY.
08/27/09 20:30:35 MAYBE THERE'S SOME COMPROMISE
08/27/09 20:30:37 HEIGHT OF SPLITTING THE BABY 45
08/27/09 20:30:38 OR 50 FEET.
08/27/09 20:30:38 >> CERTAINLY.
08/27/09 20:30:39 WE CAN TALK.
08/27/09 20:30:42 THE ONLY THING I WANT
08/27/09 20:30:43 TO OFFER
08/27/09 20:30:46 MR. SCOTT RESPONDING IS
08/27/09 20:30:47 WE
08/27/09 20:30:48 REGULARLY SPRAY PILES.
08/27/09 20:30:50 WE SPRAY 53rd STREET.
08/27/09 20:30:52 WE'LL BE SPRAYING 54th STREET
08/27/09 20:30:53 WHEN IT OPENS.
08/27/09 20:30:54 PART OF OUR MANAGEMENT
08/27/09 20:30:55 PRACTICES ON THE PROPERTY.
08/27/09 20:30:58 WE WOULD BE CERTAINLY
08/27/09 20:30:59 WILLING
08/27/09 20:31:00 TO SPEAK TO MISS PEARSON.
08/27/09 20:31:03 >> AND DOES COME UNDER PER VIEW
08/27/09 20:31:06 OF THE
08/27/09 20:31:07 EPC.
08/27/09 20:31:08 >> YES, IT DOES.
08/27/09 20:31:09 >> YES.
08/27/09 20:31:12 >> DO YOU THINK YOU COULD
08/27/09 20:31:14 RESEARCH THE FEASIBILITY OF
08/27/09 20:31:14 SPRAYING THESE PILES --
08/27/09 20:31:16 >> THAT'S WHAT HE SAID.
08/27/09 20:31:19 >> SAND, DUST, WHATEVER
08/27/09 20:31:20 YOU
08/27/09 20:31:21 HAVE THERE?
08/27/09 20:31:22 >> YES.
08/27/09 20:31:22 CERTAINLY WILL.
08/27/09 20:31:22 >> THANK YOU.
08/27/09 20:31:25 >> MR. CHAIRMAN I MOVE FOR
08/27/09 20:31:26 CONTINUANCE.
08/27/09 20:31:29 HOW LONG
08/27/09 20:31:32 DO YOU
08/27/09 20:31:34 NEED?
08/27/09 20:31:37 >> A MONTH, SIX WEEKS.
08/27/09 20:31:40 SEPTEMBER 17 WOULD
08/27/09 20:31:43 BE
08/27/09 20:31:43 FINE.
08/27/09 20:31:44 >> SEPTEMBER 17 AT 6:00 P.M.
08/27/09 20:31:46 >> SEPTEMBER 17 IS A MORNING
08/27/09 20:31:47 MEETING BECAUSE OF THE FIRST
08/27/09 20:31:50 AND THIRD THURSDAY OF
08/27/09 20:31:51 THE
08/27/09 20:31:51 MONTH.
08/27/09 20:31:52 THAT WOULD BE THAT GIVES YOU
08/27/09 20:31:54 ABOUT TWO AND A HALF WEEKS IF
08/27/09 20:31:55 YOU WOULD WANT LONGER THAN THAT
08/27/09 20:31:58 IT WOULD BE
08/27/09 20:32:01 THE FIRST
08/27/09 20:32:02 WEEK IN
08/27/09 20:32:02 OCTOBER.
08/27/09 20:32:04 >> GO FIRST WEEK IN OCTOBER.
08/27/09 20:32:04 >> OKAY.
08/27/09 20:32:07 FIRST WEEK IN OCTOBER.
08/27/09 20:32:10 WHAT WILL THAT
08/27/09 20:32:13 DATE
08/27/09 20:32:14 BE?
08/27/09 20:32:17 >> THE MORNING MEETING FOR
08/27/09 20:32:20 OCTOBER IT'S
08/27/09 20:32:23 OCTOBER
08/27/09 20:32:23 1 st.
08/27/09 20:32:26 >> OCTOBER 1 THAT'S FINE IF
08/27/09 20:32:27 EVER WITH YOU?
08/27/09 20:32:28 >> THAT'S ACCEPTABLE.
08/27/09 20:32:28 >> THANK YOU.
08/27/09 20:32:31 >> I WANT OUR STAFF TO DO SOME
08/27/09 20:32:34 WORK
08/27/09 20:32:35 BETWEEN NOW AND THEN.
08/27/09 20:32:37 I'M NOT HAPPY WITH THIS
08/27/09 20:32:38 SITUATION BECAUSE IT'S SUCH A
08/27/09 20:32:41 RADICAL PARTNER IN TERMS OF
08/27/09 20:32:43 WHAT WE AS CITY COUNCIL PROMISE
08/27/09 20:32:44 HOMEOWNERS IN TERMS OF STACKS
08/27/09 20:32:45 OF STUFF IN THE CITY.
08/27/09 20:32:46 AND I WOULD LIKE STAFF TO LOOK
08/27/09 20:32:50 AT WHAT OTHER CITIES DO AND
08/27/09 20:32:50 HOW
08/27/09 20:32:53 THEY
08/27/09 20:32:56 ADDRESS
08/27/09 20:33:00 THIS.
08/27/09 20:33:02 NOT COUNTIES BUT CITIES.
08/27/09 20:33:03 MIAMI, SARASOTA, St.
08/27/09 20:33:03 PETERSBERG.
08/27/09 20:33:06 I WANT TO KNOW HOW HIGH THE
08/27/09 20:33:11 STACKS ARE IN THOSE
08/27/09 20:33:11 COMMUNITIES.
08/27/09 20:33:14 I'M SAYING THIS IS NOT IN A
08/27/09 20:33:15 SOLELY INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT.
08/27/09 20:33:18 THIS HAS HOMES ADJACENT AND I
08/27/09 20:33:20 NEED --THIS IS NOT PORT
08/27/09 20:33:20 LONESOME.
08/27/09 20:33:23 THIS IS NOT PART OF
08/27/09 20:33:25 THE PORT'S
08/27/09 20:33:27 FACILITY WHERE IT STRICTLY
08/27/09 20:33:28 LOADING STUFF.
08/27/09 20:33:29 THIS IS OFF OF BROADWAY.
08/27/09 20:33:31 THIS IS IN AN AREA THAT HAS A
08/27/09 20:33:33 MIXTURE OF USES.
08/27/09 20:33:35 THIS IS EXACTLY WHY THE PEOPLE
08/27/09 20:33:37 STORY YA WAS SO CONTROVERSIAL
08/27/09 20:33:40 BECAUSE WHILE THE ZONING WAS
08/27/09 20:33:41 INDUSTRIAL, THERE WERE NEARBY
08/27/09 20:33:42 RESIDENCES BECAUSE WE'RE AN OLD
08/27/09 20:33:44 CITY WITH A MIXTURE OF THINGS.
08/27/09 20:33:46 AND WE NEED TO PROTECT OUR
08/27/09 20:33:48 CITIZENS AND COME UP WITH
08/27/09 20:33:48 SOMETHING THAT'S REASONABLE.
08/27/09 20:33:49 THAT'S THE KIND OF INFORMATION
08/27/09 20:33:51 THAT I WOULD LIKE BACK FROM THE
08/27/09 20:33:52 STAFF WHEN THIS COMES UP TO US
08/27/09 20:33:52 AGAIN.
08/27/09 20:33:55 >> I JUST ADD I WOULD HOPE THAT
08/27/09 20:33:57 THE COMPARISON IS APPLES TO
08/27/09 20:34:00 APPLES COMPARISON AND NOT
08/27/09 20:34:03 JUST
08/27/09 20:34:05 A LET'S LOOK FOR --
08/27/09 20:34:06 >> NO.
08/27/09 20:34:07 I'M LOOKING FOR MUNICIPALITIES.
08/27/09 20:34:08 >> OKAY.
08/27/09 20:34:10 >> I MOVE FOR CONTINUANCE FOR
08/27/09 20:34:13 OCTOBER 1 AT 10:00 A.M.
08/27/09 20:34:16 >> JUST --AND WHEN IT
08/27/09 20:34:18 COMES
08/27/09 20:34:20 BACK LIMIT TO DISCUSSION THAT
08/27/09 20:34:22 WE RAISE MAKE SURE SO PEOPLE
08/27/09 20:34:23 UNDERSTAND THAT THERE WILL BE L
08/27/09 20:34:25 NOT BE ANOTHER FULL BLOWN
08/27/09 20:34:25 HEARING.
08/27/09 20:34:26 >> RIGHT.
08/27/09 20:34:28 >> I JUST WANT TO SAY FOLLOWING
08/27/09 20:34:31 UP
08/27/09 20:34:34 ON
08/27/09 20:34:37 WHAT LINDA WAS SAYING.
08/27/09 20:34:39 IF WE HAVE A SIX FOOT HEIGHT
08/27/09 20:34:42 WHICH IS SOMETHING WE APPROVED
08/27/09 20:34:44 RECENTLY, I WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW
08/27/09 20:34:46 --THE SIX FOOT STACKING HEIGHT
08/27/09 20:34:47 ISN'T IN THE CODE?
08/27/09 20:34:49 >> IT'S ALWAYS BE BEEN THERE.
08/27/09 20:34:51 >> IT'S ALWAYS BEEN IN THE
08/27/09 20:34:52 CODE.
08/27/09 20:34:53 [ OVERLAPPING SPEAKERS ]
08/27/09 20:34:55 >> BUT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER
08/27/09 20:34:58 IT'S A SIX FOOT LIMIT THAT WE
08/27/09 20:35:00 HAVE IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT
08/27/09 20:35:03 COMPROMISE BETWEEN SIX AND
08/27/09 20:35:05 90
08/27/09 20:35:06 OR 100, THAT'S NOT REALLY --
08/27/09 20:35:07 LET'S THINK WHEN WE'RE
08/27/09 20:35:08 NEGOTIATING THIS LET'S START
08/27/09 20:35:11 FROM SOMEWHERE REASONABLE
08/27/09 20:35:12 IF
08/27/09 20:35:13 WE'RE GOING TO NEGOTIATE.
08/27/09 20:35:14 I'M JUST THROWING THIS OUT
08/27/09 20:35:17 THERE BECAUSE I THINK THAT TO
08/27/09 20:35:20 GO FROM SIX FEET TO
08/27/09 20:35:22 90 FEET OR
08/27/09 20:35:25 TO 50 FEET IS A LOT
08/27/09 20:35:25 TO ASK.
08/27/09 20:35:27 AND PERHAPS THE SITE ISN'T
08/27/09 20:35:29 QUITE BIG ENOUGH IF YOU HAVE TO
08/27/09 20:35:32 HAVE THESE MOUNTAINS THAT ARE
08/27/09 20:35:33 90 FEET HIGH.
08/27/09 20:35:35 MAYBE THIS NEEDS TO BE ON A
08/27/09 20:35:38 BIGGER PIECE OF LAND THAT'S NOT
08/27/09 20:35:41 IN A MIXED USE AREA.
08/27/09 20:35:41 JUST BECAUSE WHAT YOU'RE TRYING
08/27/09 20:35:45 TO DO THE INTENSITY
08/27/09 20:35:47 AND THE
08/27/09 20:35:50 AMOUNT OF AGGREGATE THERE IF
08/27/09 20:35:51 IT
08/27/09 20:35:53 DOESN'T MEET WITH OUR CODES.
08/27/09 20:35:53 >> OKAY.
08/27/09 20:35:55 THAT WAS A MOTION ON THE FLOOR
08/27/09 20:35:58 TO CONTINUE TO WHAT'S THE DATE?
08/27/09 20:35:59 >> OCTOBER 1.
08/27/09 20:36:02 >> OCTOBER 1. ALL IN FAVOR
08/27/09 20:36:04 SIGNIFY BY SAYING I.
08/27/09 20:36:04 >> I.
08/27/09 20:36:05 >> OPPOSES.
08/27/09 20:36:07 >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME THIS
08/27/09 20:36:08 EVENING.
08/27/09 20:36:11 >> THANK YOU.
08/27/09 20:36:14 ITEM
08/27/09 20:36:23 SIX.
08/27/09 20:36:29 >>
08/27/09 20:36:32 TRASH COLLECTOR.
08/27/09 20:36:35 I GOT A
08/27/09 20:36:39 90-FOOT MOUND.
08/27/09 20:36:42 [ INDISCERNIBLE ]
08/27/09 20:37:15 >> GOOD EVENING
08/27/09 20:37:15 COUNCIL.
08/27/09 20:37:16 LAND DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
08/27/09 20:37:19 THE FINAL REQUEST BEFORE
08/27/09 20:37:22 YOU
08/27/09 20:37:25 THIS
08/27/09 20:37:27 EVENING IS Z09-34 LOCATED
08/27/09 20:37:30 AT 3401 WEST OBISPO
08/27/09 20:37:30 AVENUE.
08/27/09 20:37:32 IT'S FROM RM-16 TO RM-18
08/27/09 20:37:32 ZONING.
08/27/09 20:37:35 THIS WILL ALLOW FOR A SECOND
08/27/09 20:37:38 UNIT ON THE
08/27/09 20:37:40 EXISTING PROPERTY.
08/27/09 20:37:42 THE EXISTING PROPERTY IS 5, 023
08/27/09 20:37:42 SQUARE FEET.
08/27/09 20:37:43 SURROUNDED WITH RESIDENTIAL TO
08/27/09 20:37:46 THE NORTH, SOUTH AND WEST AND
08/27/09 20:37:47 ROOSEVELT ELEMENTARY SCHOOL TO
08/27/09 20:37:48 THE WEST.
08/27/09 20:37:49 I'M SORRY RESIDENTIAL TO THE
08/27/09 20:37:51 NORTH, SOUTH AND EAST AND
08/27/09 20:37:53 ROOSEVELT --NO, I WAS RIGHT.
08/27/09 20:37:54 RESIDENTIAL TO THE NORTH, SOUTH
08/27/09 20:37:57 AND WEST AND ROOSEVELT TO
08/27/09 20:38:00 THE
08/27/09 20:38:01 EAST.
08/27/09 20:38:03 THIS IS THE EUCLIDIAN ZONING
08/27/09 20:38:03 REQUEST.
08/27/09 20:38:05 MAY NOT REQUEST ANY WAIVERS TO
08/27/09 20:38:06 THE SITE.
08/27/09 20:38:09 RM-18 REQUIREMENTS ARE 5,000
08/27/09 20:38:09 SQUARE FEET.
08/27/09 20:38:12 50-FOOT OF FRONTAGE AND
08/27/09 20:38:13 SETBACKS ARE 25 FEET, FRONT,
08/27/09 20:38:15 SEVEN SIDE, 15 REAR AND SEVEN
08/27/09 20:38:18 CORNER FOR THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT
08/27/09 20:38:19 OF 35 FEET.
08/27/09 20:38:20 THE SUBJECT PROPERTY MEETS
08/27/09 20:38:21 THESE REQUIREMENTS.
08/27/09 20:38:24 THERE WAS A COMMENT FROM PARKS
08/27/09 20:38:25 AND RECREATION CONCERNING
08/27/09 20:38:27 POTENTIAL GRAND LORE OAK ON THE
08/27/09 20:38:30 WEST PROPERTY LINE BEHIND THE
08/27/09 20:38:33 WOOD FENCE.
08/27/09 20:38:45 >> I'M GOING TO SHOW YOU
08/27/09 20:38:45 THIS
08/27/09 20:38:46 ZONING OUT LOOK.
08/27/09 20:38:47 I ALSO MADE ANOTHER ONE.
08/27/09 20:38:49 I APPEARS THAT THE PRODOMINANT
08/27/09 20:38:52 LAND USE AROUND
08/27/09 20:38:52 HERE IS RS-50.
08/27/09 20:38:54 IT IS ACTUALLY A LOT OF
08/27/09 20:38:55 MULTIFAMILY UP HERE.
08/27/09 20:38:58 I'M GOING TO PUT A LITTLE BIT
08/27/09 20:39:01 OF A BLOW UP HERE.
08/27/09 20:39:04 CONCORD YA TO THE EAST,
08/27/09 20:39:06 OBISPO
08/27/09 20:39:08 TO THE SOUTH.
08/27/09 20:39:10 SUBJECT PROPERTY IS SHOWN IN
08/27/09 20:39:10 GREEN.
08/27/09 20:39:13 I'M GOING SO SHOW YOU HERE
08/27/09 20:39:16 A
08/27/09 20:39:17 LITTLE BLOP I DID.
08/27/09 20:39:20 SHOULD REMAIN SUBJECT PROPERTY
08/27/09 20:39:23 YELLOW BECAUSE IT'S
08/27/09 20:39:23 MULTIFAMILY.
08/27/09 20:39:24 LET ME DO THAT THERE.
08/27/09 20:39:27 ALL OF THE YELLOW HERE
08/27/09 20:39:28 IS RM-
08/27/09 20:39:28 16.
08/27/09 20:39:29 THE GREEN IS RM-18.
08/27/09 20:39:31 THE REQUEST BEFORE YOU TONIGHT
08/27/09 20:39:34 IS FOR AN RM-16 TO AN RM-18.
08/27/09 20:39:37 SO YOU CAN SEE SOME SPATTERINGS
08/27/09 20:39:40 HAVE OCCURRED IN THIS
08/27/09 20:39:40 AREA.
08/27/09 20:39:43 >> BEFORE YOU
08/27/09 20:39:45 LEAVE MR.
08/27/09 20:39:46 CHAIRMAN OR MISS CHAIRMAN.
08/27/09 20:39:46 >> YES.
08/27/09 20:39:49 >> DO YOU HAVE
08/27/09 20:39:52 ANY RECOLLECTION
08/27/09 20:39:53 OF HISTORICALLY ON THOSE RM-
08/27/09 20:39:54 18s?
08/27/09 20:39:54 I DON'T REMEMBER ANY OF THOSE
08/27/09 20:39:57 COMING THROUGH HERE
08/27/09 20:40:00 IN THE
08/27/09 20:40:01 LAST
08/27/09 20:40:02 SIX YEARS.
08/27/09 20:40:03 >> I DON'T.
08/27/09 20:40:03 >> I DON'T.
08/27/09 20:40:04 >> OKAY.
08/27/09 20:40:07 SO THOSE ARE KIND OF OLDER
08/27/09 20:40:07 VESTED --
08/27/09 20:40:07 >> IT'S INTERESTING.
08/27/09 20:40:10 I'M GOING TO SHOW YOU PICTURES
08/27/09 20:40:11 OF WHAT'S AROUND HERE.
08/27/09 20:40:12 WHAT'S INTERESTING TO THE NORTH
08/27/09 20:40:14 OF THIS ADJACENT IS LIKE A QUAD
08/27/09 20:40:17 AND THERE'S ANOTHER QUAD HERE
08/27/09 20:40:19 AND THOSE ARE RM-16s.
08/27/09 20:40:22 THEY'RE NONCONFORMING THE WAY
08/27/09 20:40:24 THAT IT CURRENTLY IS.
08/27/09 20:40:27 >> THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD IS
08/27/09 20:40:30 EITHER FOR YOU OR
08/27/09 20:40:31 FOR MR.
08/27/09 20:40:34 GARCIA IS
08/27/09 20:40:37 WHEN WE
08/27/09 20:40:39 DID THE
08/27/09 20:40:40 COMPREHENSIVE.
08/27/09 20:40:40 >> AERIAL.
08/27/09 20:40:43 >> ARE YOU ABOUT TO TALK
08/27/09 20:40:44 ABOUT
08/27/09 20:40:44 THAT?
08/27/09 20:40:45 >> YEAH.
08/27/09 20:40:47 >> WAS IT JUST NORTH?
08/27/09 20:40:49 WE DIDN'T DO ANYTHING SOUTH?
08/27/09 20:40:52 >> THAT WAS B.A., BEFORE ABBEY.
08/27/09 20:40:55 >> I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT IT
08/27/09 20:40:56 BUT I COULDN'T REMEMBER.
08/27/09 20:40:56 OKAY.
08/27/09 20:40:57 TONY WILL TALK ABOUT IT IN A
08/27/09 20:40:57 MOMENT.
08/27/09 20:41:00 >> TONY WILL SPEAK TO IT.
08/27/09 20:41:03 LET TONY SPEAK TO
08/27/09 20:41:04 THAT.
08/27/09 20:41:05 I'M SORRY.
08/27/09 20:41:08 >> THAT'S ALL
08/27/09 20:41:13 RIGHT.
08/27/09 20:41:15 >> B.A., BEFORE ABBEY.
08/27/09 20:41:17 I DON'T KNOW IF I SHOWED THIS
08/27/09 20:41:17 PICTURE.
08/27/09 20:41:19 THIS IS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY
08/27/09 20:41:19 HERE.
08/27/09 20:41:21 AND AS I PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED
08/27/09 20:41:23 THERE ARE SOME MULTIFAMILY
08/27/09 20:41:23 AROUND THERE.
08/27/09 20:41:26 SHOW YOU SOME PICTURES OF
08/27/09 20:41:29 THOSE
08/27/09 20:41:32 FOR DEVELOPMENT OVER
08/27/09 20:41:32 HERE.
08/27/09 20:41:35 THIS IS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
08/27/09 20:41:39 THIS IS GOING UP CONCORD
08/27/09 20:41:40 IA
08/27/09 20:41:40 NORTH.
08/27/09 20:41:41 SMALL UNIT IN THE BACK.
08/27/09 20:41:44 >> IS
08/27/09 20:41:45 THAT A LIVING SPACE?
08/27/09 20:41:49 >> I BELIEVE THAT
08/27/09 20:41:50 THE
08/27/09 20:41:51 PETITIONER WILL SPEAK TO THAT.
08/27/09 20:41:53 THIS IS WHERE THE QUAD STARTS.
08/27/09 20:41:56 YOU'LL SEE I BELIEVE
08/27/09 20:41:57 THAT'S THE
08/27/09 20:41:58 PROPERTY LINE THERE.
08/27/09 20:41:59 THIS IS MORE THAN I THINK
08/27/09 20:42:00 PROBABLY A QUAD.
08/27/09 20:42:02 I HAD WRITTEN IT DOWN THAT WAY.
08/27/09 20:42:03 NO, I THINK IT IS.
08/27/09 20:42:06 >> IS THAT TO THE REAR OF
08/27/09 20:42:06 PROPERTY?
08/27/09 20:42:09 >> YES.
08/27/09 20:42:10 THAT'S IMMEDIATELY BEHIND THE
08/27/09 20:42:10 PROPERTY.
08/27/09 20:42:13 THIS IS IMMEDIATELY WEST
08/27/09 20:42:14 OF THE
08/27/09 20:42:14 PROPERTY.
08/27/09 20:42:17 KIND OF HOW THEY HAVE A VERY
08/27/09 20:42:20 LARGE TREE IN
08/27/09 20:42:22 THE FRONT.
08/27/09 20:42:23 THIS IS ALSO WEST.
08/27/09 20:42:24 THIS IS WEST.
08/27/09 20:42:27 THIS IS IMMEDIATELY SOUTH
08/27/09 20:42:28 OF
08/27/09 20:42:29 THE PROPERTY.
08/27/09 20:42:31 IT FACES CONCORD IA.
08/27/09 20:42:34 AND IT IS TWO UNITS.
08/27/09 20:42:36 AND THIS IS MOVING EAST DOWN
08/27/09 20:42:37 OBISPO NEXT TO THAT.
08/27/09 20:42:39 SO THE REAR OF THE PRIOR
08/27/09 20:42:41 PROPERTY SHARES A SIDE YARD
08/27/09 20:42:44 WITH THIS.
08/27/09 20:42:47 >> IS
08/27/09 20:42:48 THAT SINGLE FAMILY?
08/27/09 20:42:49 >> NO.
08/27/09 20:42:49 THAT'S APARTMENTS.
08/27/09 20:42:51 SO THAT WOULD BE ONE OF THOSE
08/27/09 20:42:54 IN THE RM-16 THAT
08/27/09 20:42:56 I POINTED TO
08/27/09 20:42:57 ON THE SOUTH SIDE.
08/27/09 20:43:01 THIS IS GOING DOWN
08/27/09 20:43:04 ALSO ON THAT
08/27/09 20:43:06 STREET.
08/27/09 20:43:07 >> GO BACK TWO NOW.
08/27/09 20:43:09 >> THAT ONE IS RIGHT --
08/27/09 20:43:12 >> IS THAT THE ONE
08/27/09 20:43:15 WITH THE
08/27/09 20:43:15 TREE?
08/27/09 20:43:15 >> NO.
08/27/09 20:43:17 THAT ONE IS HERE.
08/27/09 20:43:17 >> WAIT.
08/27/09 20:43:17 EXCUSE ME.
08/27/09 20:43:20 CAN WE GO BACK TO
08/27/09 20:43:21 THAT PICTURE?
08/27/09 20:43:21 OKAY.
08/27/09 20:43:23 AS WE LOOK DOWN UPON THIS AS
08/27/09 20:43:26 WE'RE GOING WEST THE THREE
08/27/09 20:43:27 HOUSES NEXT --
08/27/09 20:43:27 >> HOLD ON.
08/27/09 20:43:30 >> I'M TRYING TO GET A
08/27/09 20:43:31 SENSE OF
08/27/09 20:43:34 WHAT THE REALITY OF THAT
08/27/09 20:43:35 STREET
08/27/09 20:43:36 IS OF OBISPO.
08/27/09 20:43:38 IS THE REALITY A SINGLE FAMILY
08/27/09 20:43:41 REALITY OR
08/27/09 20:43:42 MULTIFAMILY REALITY
08/27/09 20:43:42 OR MIXED?
08/27/09 20:43:45 IT LOOKS SINGLE FAMILY TO ME.
08/27/09 20:43:47 >> JUST POINT.
08/27/09 20:43:49 >> IT IS PRODOMINANTLY SINGLE
08/27/09 20:43:49 FAMILY.
08/27/09 20:43:52 I DIDN'T MAKE IT ALL THE WAY
08/27/09 20:43:52 DOWN.
08/27/09 20:43:53 >> OKAY.
08/27/09 20:43:55 THE YELLOW ROOF NEXT DOOR.
08/27/09 20:43:57 >> THE YELLOW ROOF NEXT DOOR --
08/27/09 20:44:00 >> YOU CAN JUST
08/27/09 20:44:02 POINT AND SAY.
08/27/09 20:44:04 >> SINGLE FAMILY, SINGLE
08/27/09 20:44:07 FAMILY, SINGLE
08/27/09 20:44:08 FAMILY.
08/27/09 20:44:10 >> NOW GO ACROSS THE STREET.
08/27/09 20:44:11 SO IF YOU WERE TO DO ONE OF
08/27/09 20:44:12 THOSE CUTE RED AND BLUE MAPS
08/27/09 20:44:14 THAT YOU USUALLY DO FOR US
08/27/09 20:44:17 WOULD IT BE
08/27/09 20:44:20 MOSTLY RED OR
08/27/09 20:44:20 MOSTLY BLUE?
08/27/09 20:44:23 >> I DIDN'T DO THAT IN BLUE.
08/27/09 20:44:24 I DID IT IN YELLOW.
08/27/09 20:44:24 >> IT'S BEEN GREEN.
08/27/09 20:44:27 >> WHAT'S THE YELLOW AND WHAT'S
08/27/09 20:44:28 THE GREEN?
08/27/09 20:44:29 >> THE YELLOW [ OVERLAPPING
08/27/09 20:44:30 SPEAKERS ]
08/27/09 20:44:31 >> CURRENTLY ZONED MULTIFAMILY.
08/27/09 20:44:34 >> BUT I WANT THE REALITY
08/27/09 20:44:35 OF
08/27/09 20:44:36 THE LAND USE NOT THE --
08/27/09 20:44:39 >> I DIDN'T DO
08/27/09 20:44:42 IT
08/27/09 20:44:45 FOR THIS
08/27/09 20:44:45 ONE.
08/27/09 20:44:46 >> OKAY.
08/27/09 20:44:47 >> IT IS PRODOMINANTLY SINGLE
08/27/09 20:44:47 FAMILY.
08/27/09 20:44:48 THAT'S WHAT ON THIS PIECE OF
08/27/09 20:44:51 PROPERTY IS A SINGLE FAMILY
08/27/09 20:44:51 HOME.
08/27/09 20:44:54 BUT IN THE MULTIFAMILY ZONING
08/27/09 20:44:56 DISTRICTS IT'S NOT LIKE A RED
08/27/09 20:44:58 AND BLUE MAP BECAUSE THEY'RE
08/27/09 20:45:01 NOT MEETING FRONTAGE OR SMALLER
08/27/09 20:45:03 MULTIFAMILY REQUIRES 5,000
08/27/09 20:45:05 SQUARE FEET FOR AN RM-16 OR
08/27/09 20:45:07 5,000 SQUARE FEET FOR AN RM-18.
08/27/09 20:45:09 IT DOESN'T FALL INTO THAT
08/27/09 20:45:10 TYPICAL PATTERN THAT WE DO WHEN
08/27/09 20:45:13 YOU'RE CHANGING FROM LARGER
08/27/09 20:45:14 SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL TO
08/27/09 20:45:17 SMALLER RESIDENTIAL AND LOOKING
08/27/09 20:45:20 AT THE
08/27/09 20:45:23 EXISTING
08/27/09 20:45:24 DEVELOPMENT
08/27/09 20:45:24 PATTERN.
08/27/09 20:45:25 SORRY ABOUT THAT.
08/27/09 20:45:28 ANY OTHER
08/27/09 20:45:32 QUESTIONS?
08/27/09 20:45:32 >> SORRY.
08/27/09 20:45:33 >> IT'S OKAY.
08/27/09 20:45:35 >> MR. GARCIA.
08/27/09 20:45:36 >> TONE ANY GARCIA PLANNING
08/27/09 20:45:37 COMMISSION, I HAVE BEEN SWORN.
08/27/09 20:45:40 THE ANSWER IS NO WE DID NOT
08/27/09 20:45:40 DO
08/27/09 20:45:41 THE STUDY SOUTH BAY TO BAY WHEN
08/27/09 20:45:43 WE DID THE STUDY ON THIS.
08/27/09 20:45:46 WHEN THE FIELD WORK WAS DONE ON
08/27/09 20:45:47 THE SITES SAW THE BAY TO BAY
08/27/09 20:45:49 AND NORTH TO BAY TO BAY THE
08/27/09 20:45:52 EXISTING CHARACTER WAS MUCH
08/27/09 20:45:53 MORE MIXED SOUTH FROM BAY TO
08/27/09 20:45:54 BAY.
08/27/09 20:45:54 THE PURPOSE AS YOU RECALL I'M
08/27/09 20:45:56 SURE VERY WELL ON THE NORTH
08/27/09 20:45:59 SIDE OF BAY TO BAY
08/27/09 20:46:02 THAT YOU
08/27/09 20:46:03 RETAIN SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED.
08/27/09 20:46:05 >> AS I APPROACH YOUR AGE I'M
08/27/09 20:46:07 STARTING TO LOSE IT A LITTLE
08/27/09 20:46:08 BIT.
08/27/09 20:46:09 >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
08/27/09 20:46:12 THAT BEING THE CASE AND
08/27/09 20:46:12 THE
08/27/09 20:46:13 OTHER THING I THINK SHE WAS
08/27/09 20:46:16 TRYING TO ALSO DESCRIBE IS THAT
08/27/09 20:46:18 A LARGE PERCENTAGE OF THE EVEN
08/27/09 20:46:20 THOUGH YOU HAVE THE RED TINT
08/27/09 20:46:23 YOU HAVE A LOT OF REDS TO THE
08/27/09 20:46:25 SOUTH.
08/27/09 20:46:25 HERE'S ROOSEVELT.
08/27/09 20:46:28 YOU HAVE A LOT OF REDS SOME ARE
08/27/09 20:46:29 NOT CONFORMING SOME ARE.
08/27/09 20:46:30 I THINK YOU NOTICED THE ONE TO
08/27/09 20:46:33 THE NORTH IS NOT REALLY THAT
08/27/09 20:46:34 OLD.
08/27/09 20:46:35 THEY PROBABLY BUILT THAT BY
08/27/09 20:46:36 RIGHT TO BE ABLE TO PULL
08/27/09 20:46:36 PERMITS AND GO AHEAD AND BUILD.
08/27/09 20:46:38 I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE THE
08/27/09 20:46:41 CASE WITH SOME OF THESE OVER
08/27/09 20:46:41 HERE.
08/27/09 20:46:42 SOME OF THE OLDER ONES LIKE
08/27/09 20:46:45 MAYBE ACROSS THE STREET IS
08/27/09 20:46:46 A
08/27/09 20:46:47 LITTLE BIT OLDER.
08/27/09 20:46:50 YOU CAN TELL PROBABLY ABOUT 10
08/27/09 20:46:50 TO 15 YEARS OLDER.
08/27/09 20:46:52 BUT YOUR GOING TO HAVE THAT
08/27/09 20:46:54 TYPE OF A LOOK AS FAR AS THE
08/27/09 20:46:57 TYPES OF HOUSING STYLES
08/27/09 20:46:57 OVER
08/27/09 20:46:58 HERE.
08/27/09 20:46:59 BUT IT IS MUCH MORE VARIED THAN
08/27/09 20:47:01 THE SOUTH SIDE.
08/27/09 20:47:03 IT IS STILL SINGLE FAMILY IN
08/27/09 20:47:03 CHARACTER.
08/27/09 20:47:05 IF WE'RE GOING TO GO AND AS
08/27/09 20:47:07 YA'LL KNOW IF WEAVE GOING TO GO
08/27/09 20:47:08 TO A MORE FORMED BASE APPROACH
08/27/09 20:47:11 IT'S GOING TO BE THE FORM AND
08/27/09 20:47:13 CONTINUITY OF WHAT'S ON SCALE
08/27/09 20:47:14 APPROACH THAN IT REALLY IS
08/27/09 20:47:17 GOING TO BE WHETHER IT'S A
08/27/09 20:47:18 SINGLE FAMILY OR MULTIFAMILY.
08/27/09 20:47:21 PRETTY MUCH GOING TO BE
08/27/09 20:47:21 IN
08/27/09 20:47:23 INFORMED SCALE AND MASS.
08/27/09 20:47:24 THAT'S WHAT THE WHOLE CONCEPT
08/27/09 20:47:25 OF THE FORM BASED APPROACH IS
08/27/09 20:47:27 GOING TO BE WHICH IS THE
08/27/09 20:47:28 DIRECTION THAT THE
08/27/09 20:47:29 ADMINISTRATION AND LANDS
08/27/09 20:47:30 DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION IS
08/27/09 20:47:31 GOING TOWARD.
08/27/09 20:47:33 PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF ON
08/27/09 20:47:36 THE PROPOSED REQUEST CONSISTENT
08/27/09 20:47:42 WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE
08/27/09 20:47:43 PLAN.
08/27/09 20:47:44 >> PETITIONER.
08/27/09 20:47:45 >> GOOD EVENING.
08/27/09 20:47:48 MY NAME'S BECKY MAAS.
08/27/09 20:47:51 I'M THE
08/27/09 20:47:54 OWNER
08/27/09 20:47:54 OF 3401 WEST
08/27/09 20:47:54 OBISPO.
08/27/09 20:47:57 I AM REQUESTING THAT IT BE
08/27/09 20:48:00 REZONED
08/27/09 20:48:06 FROM RM-16 TO RM-18.
08/27/09 20:48:09 WHAT OTHER --I'M
08/27/09 20:48:12 KIND
08/27/09 20:48:12 OF
08/27/09 20:48:16 UNCLEAR THIS EVENING ON A
08/27/09 20:48:18 COUPLE OF THINGS AS IN THERE
08/27/09 20:48:21 WAS SOME NEW
08/27/09 20:48:24 INFORMATION
08/27/09 20:48:27 BROUGHT
08/27/09 20:48:30 TO MY ATTENTION.
08/27/09 20:48:33 THERE WAS A LORI HAD
08/27/09 20:48:33 SUBMITTED
08/27/09 20:48:36 SOME OPPOSITION TO MY REQUEST
08/27/09 20:48:36 FOR THE REZONING.
08/27/09 20:48:40 >> WE GOT A COPY OF IT
08/27/09 20:48:40 ALREADY.
08/27/09 20:48:42 WE HAVE A COPY OF IT.
08/27/09 20:48:44 LET ME CUT TO THE CHASE FOR A
08/27/09 20:48:45 SECOND.
08/27/09 20:48:48 MAYBE HELP YOU OUT
08/27/09 20:48:49 A LITTLE
08/27/09 20:48:50 BIT.
08/27/09 20:48:51 CAN YOU TELL US HOW LONG HAVE
08/27/09 20:48:54 YOU
08/27/09 20:48:57 OWNED IT IS MY QUESTION?
08/27/09 20:49:00 HA TYPE OF PROJECT ARE YOU
08/27/09 20:49:01 LOOKING AT?
08/27/09 20:49:02 IT'S NOT SITE CONTROLLED.
08/27/09 20:49:02 IT'S NOT A PD.
08/27/09 20:49:04 WHY WOULDN'T YOU COME IN
08/27/09 20:49:04 PERHAPS WITH A PD?
08/27/09 20:49:07 DID THAT COME UP IN
08/27/09 20:49:08 CONVERSATION WITH STAFF?
08/27/09 20:49:10 YOU KNOW JUST GIVE US AN IDEA
08/27/09 20:49:12 OF WHERE YOU'RE HEADED WITH
08/27/09 20:49:12 THIS PROJECT.
08/27/09 20:49:14 YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVE SOME
08/27/09 20:49:14 NEIGHBORHOOD OPPOSITION IN
08/27/09 20:49:15 ADDITION TO THE TWO LETTERS
08/27/09 20:49:17 WE'VE GOT YOU HAVE A GENTLEMAN
08/27/09 20:49:18 WHO LIVES AROUND THE CORNER
08/27/09 20:49:21 FROM YOU ABOUT TO
08/27/09 20:49:23 OPPOSE YOU AS
08/27/09 20:49:24 WELL.
08/27/09 20:49:25 >> OKAY.
08/27/09 20:49:27 THE PROPERTY IS A RENTAL
08/27/09 20:49:27 PROPERTY.
08/27/09 20:49:29 >> SINGLE FAMILY?
08/27/09 20:49:30 >> IT'S SINGLE FAMILY.
08/27/09 20:49:33 WHEN WE
08/27/09 20:49:36 BOUGHT THE PROPERTY IN
08/27/09 20:49:39 2004, AT THAT TIME WE RENTED
08/27/09 20:49:40 IT
08/27/09 20:49:42 JUST A COUPLE DAYS AFTER
08/27/09 20:49:45 PURCHASING THE PROPERTY.
08/27/09 20:49:48 WE WENT IN, CLEANED IT UP
08/27/09 20:49:50 IMPROVED THE PROPERTY.
08/27/09 20:49:53 I JUST PUT A NEW ROOF ON
08/27/09 20:49:54 IT.
08/27/09 20:49:57 I'M TRYING TO
08/27/09 20:49:57 IMPROVE IT.
08/27/09 20:49:59 THE PAST FEW YEARS WITH AS YOU
08/27/09 20:50:01 ALL KNOW TAXES AND INSURANCE
08/27/09 20:50:04 AND THINGS LIKE THAT WE HAVE
08/27/09 20:50:07 BEEN VERY
08/27/09 20:50:09 UPSIDE DOWN ON THE
08/27/09 20:50:09 PROPERTY.
08/27/09 20:50:12 WHEN WE
08/27/09 20:50:14 PURCHASED THE PROPERTY
08/27/09 20:50:16 IN 2004 WE RENTED THE ENTIRE
08/27/09 20:50:19 PROPERTY TO TENANTS THAT
08/27/09 20:50:20 STAYED
08/27/09 20:50:23 THERE A TOTAL OF THREE FOUR
08/27/09 20:50:23 YEARS.
08/27/09 20:50:25 THEY WERE VERY GOOD TENANTS.
08/27/09 20:50:28 THEY UTILIZED THE ENTIRE
08/27/09 20:50:28 PROPERTY.
08/27/09 20:50:31 THEY UTILIZED THE COTTAGE
08/27/09 20:50:32 IN
08/27/09 20:50:33 THE BACK THAT HAS --THIS IS
08/27/09 20:50:36 THE REASON WHY I'M WANTING TO
08/27/09 20:50:39 REZONE IS TO BE ABLE TO
08/27/09 20:50:39 RENT
08/27/09 20:50:43 THE COTTAGE IN THE
08/27/09 20:50:44 BACK AS A
08/27/09 20:50:44 SEPARATE UNIT.
08/27/09 20:50:47 >> HOW BIG IS THE COTTAGE?
08/27/09 20:50:49 >> IT'S 200 SQUARE FEET.
08/27/09 20:50:51 IT HAS --AND I UNDERSTAND
08/27/09 20:50:52 THERE'S SOME ISSUES WITH THAT
08/27/09 20:50:53 NOW.
08/27/09 20:50:55 I DON'T WANT TO GO INTO THE
08/27/09 20:50:58 FULL --I DON'T KNOW IF I GO
08/27/09 20:51:01 INTO THE FULL
08/27/09 20:51:01 THING.
08/27/09 20:51:04 I UNDERSTAND HOWEVER I CHANGED
08/27/09 20:51:07 OUT THE --I CLEANED IT UP
08/27/09 20:51:10 AFTER MY TENANTS MOVED
08/27/09 20:51:10 OUT.
08/27/09 20:51:11 THE SHOWER THEY WERE USING
08/27/09 20:51:13 EVERYTHING BUT AFTER THEY MOVED
08/27/09 20:51:16 OUT I WANTED TO CLEAN IT UP AND
08/27/09 20:51:19 START TO UTILIZE THAT AS A
08/27/09 20:51:20 UNIT.
08/27/09 20:51:22 I ADDED A WASHER AND DRIER.
08/27/09 20:51:24 MADE IT VERY NICE.
08/27/09 20:51:27 BIG STACK BL AHMAN IN FRONT
08/27/09 20:51:29 LOADING WASHER AND DRIER.
08/27/09 20:51:32 IT'S VERY
08/27/09 20:51:33 EFFICIENT.
08/27/09 20:51:35 IT'S GOT A LOT OF FOR SOMEBODY
08/27/09 20:51:36 --
08/27/09 20:51:36 >> YOU'RE NOT LOOKING TO TEAR
08/27/09 20:51:38 THE WHOLE THING DOWN AND START
08/27/09 20:51:40 OVER AND BUILD TWO UNITS.
08/27/09 20:51:40 >> NO, SIR.
08/27/09 20:51:43 >> JUST LOOKING TO
08/27/09 20:51:44 GRANDFATHER
08/27/09 20:51:45 IN WHAT'S THERE AS USE.
08/27/09 20:51:48 THE PROBLEM IS WOULDN'T THAT BE
08/27/09 20:51:50 BETTER AS A PD SO WE COULD
08/27/09 20:51:53 FREEZE IN THAT SITE AND SO HE
08/27/09 20:51:54 WOULDN'T AND OTHER PEOPLE
08/27/09 20:51:57 WOULDN'T HAVE TO WORRY
08/27/09 20:51:58 ABOUT
08/27/09 20:52:01 SOME BIG YOU KNOW
08/27/09 20:52:02 BIG DUPLEX?
08/27/09 20:52:04 >> OR GRANDPARENT APARTMENT OR
08/27/09 20:52:07 WHATEVER IT'S
08/27/09 20:52:07 CALLED.
08/27/09 20:52:08 >> WHAT OTHER OPTION?
08/27/09 20:52:09 >> WHEN MISS MAAS CAME TO OUR
08/27/09 20:52:11 OFFICE THERE WAS A DISCUSSION
08/27/09 20:52:13 AS TO THE QUICKEST LEAST COSTLY
08/27/09 20:52:15 WAY TO GET WHERE WE ARE TODAY
08/27/09 20:52:18 AND AT THE TIME SHE WAS
08/27/09 20:52:19 IN WE
08/27/09 20:52:20 COULD EXPEDITE A EUCLIDIAN
08/27/09 20:52:22 ZONING AND HELP HER IN THAT WAY
08/27/09 20:52:25 IN ORDER TO GET THE SECOND UNIT
08/27/09 20:52:28 BY INCREASING FROM AN RM-16 TO
08/27/09 20:52:30 AN RM-18 NOT HAVING TO SPEND
08/27/09 20:52:32 THE COST ON ENGINEERING THE
08/27/09 20:52:33 SITE AND GETTING SITE PLANS.
08/27/09 20:52:35 AT THAT TIME THAT IS WHAT SHE
08/27/09 20:52:38 CHOSE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH AND
08/27/09 20:52:41 THAT IS HOW WE'RE HERE TODAY.
08/27/09 20:52:43 >> IS THERE NO GRANNY FLAT
08/27/09 20:52:46 OPTION UNDER ANY
08/27/09 20:52:49 OF
08/27/09 20:52:50 THE
08/27/09 20:52:51 EXISTING CODES?
08/27/09 20:52:51 >> NO.
08/27/09 20:52:54 WHAT'S BACK THERE THE WAY THAT
08/27/09 20:52:55 WHEN YOU HAVE NONCONFORMITIES
08/27/09 20:52:57 THAT YOU'RE SEEKING VESTING ON,
08/27/09 20:52:58 YOU HAVE TO PROVE FROM THE TIME
08/27/09 20:53:00 OF ZONING THAT THAT'S ALWAYS
08/27/09 20:53:02 BEEN A SECOND UNIT.
08/27/09 20:53:04 IT'S BEEN LEGALLY --WAS
08/27/09 20:53:05 LEGALLY ESTABLISHED SOMEWHERE
08/27/09 20:53:06 IN TIME.
08/27/09 20:53:07 IT WAS SEPARATELY METERED.
08/27/09 20:53:08 ALWAYS BEEN OCCUPIED.
08/27/09 20:53:09 THERE WAS NOT --AND THAT
08/27/09 20:53:10 EVIDENCE COULD NOT BE PRESENTED
08/27/09 20:53:12 TO THE OFFICE OF LAND
08/27/09 20:53:12 DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
08/27/09 20:53:15 THAT'S WHY WE COULDN'T VEST
08/27/09 20:53:18 THAT UNIT
08/27/09 20:53:21 THAT
08/27/09 20:53:22 WAY.
08/27/09 20:53:22 >> OKAY.
08/27/09 20:53:25 SO WHAT IF --WHAT SHE HAS
08/27/09 20:53:27 THERE NOW THE TREE GETS TO
08/27/09 20:53:30 STAY, IT DOESN'T INCREASE THE
08/27/09 20:53:32 PARKING ON THE STREET, BUT IF
08/27/09 20:53:35 WE GRANT HER WHAT IS
08/27/09 20:53:37 TECHNICALLY IN FRONT OF US SHE
08/27/09 20:53:39 CAN TEAR THE WHOLE THING DOWN
08/27/09 20:53:41 AND BUILD TWO UNITS WHICH WILL
08/27/09 20:53:42 BE MUCH A GREATER IMPACT --
08/27/09 20:53:44 WHAT SHE HAS NOW KIND OF IS NOT
08/27/09 20:53:46 A GREAT IMPACT ON THE
08/27/09 20:53:47 NEIGHBORHOOD IF WE GRANT HER
08/27/09 20:53:50 WHAT'S REQUESTED SHE COULD
08/27/09 20:53:51 THEORETICALLY BUILD SOMETHING
08/27/09 20:53:53 THAT WOULD RAISE THE CONCERNS
08/27/09 20:53:55 THAT WERE ADDRESSED IN THIS
08/27/09 20:53:57 LETTER FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
08/27/09 20:54:01 SO IS THERE ANOTHER WAY
08/27/09 20:54:02 TO GET
08/27/09 20:54:02 ACCESS?
08/27/09 20:54:02 >> NO MA'AM.
08/27/09 20:54:03 THERE IS NOT.
08/27/09 20:54:04 >> UNLESS YOU GO PD.
08/27/09 20:54:06 >> WHICH IS APPROXIMATELY
08/27/09 20:54:07 ANOTHER $1500 PLUS THE SITE
08/27/09 20:54:09 PLAN PLUS THE OTHER THINGS.
08/27/09 20:54:12 AND THAT'S WHY
08/27/09 20:54:13 WHEN I MET WITH
08/27/09 20:54:14 MISS MAAS AND COUNSELED HER AND
08/27/09 20:54:15 HEARD FROM HER SIDE WHAT WAS
08/27/09 20:54:18 GOING ON THAT IS WHY I DIRECTED
08/27/09 20:54:20 IT IN THIS PATH IN ORDER TO GET
08/27/09 20:54:21 HER SOMETHING SO SHE COULD
08/27/09 20:54:23 POSSIBLY GET A TENANT IN THERE
08/27/09 20:54:25 AND A COST EFFECTIVE AND
08/27/09 20:54:26 EXPEDITED MANNER.
08/27/09 20:54:27 >> COULD WE GET SOME KIND OF
08/27/09 20:54:30 PROMISE THAT IT WILL STAY
08/27/09 20:54:30 THE
08/27/09 20:54:31 WAY IT IS AND --
08/27/09 20:54:33 >> YOU CAN'T CONDITION IT THAT
08/27/09 20:54:33 WAY.
08/27/09 20:54:36 THE REALITY IS THAT IT'S A 50
08/27/09 20:54:39 BY 100 LOT AND THE
08/27/09 20:54:39 RM-18 STANDS
08/27/09 20:54:40 REGARDS ARE WHAT THEY ARE WITH
08/27/09 20:54:42 THE FRONT IN THE CORNER AND
08/27/09 20:54:45 COULD SHE ACTUALLY --YOU
08/27/09 20:54:45 KNOW.
08/27/09 20:54:47 THE REALITY OF IT IS YOU'RE
08/27/09 20:54:49 ABSOLUTELY RIGHT AND POTENTIAL
08/27/09 20:54:50 FOR DEMOLITION AND POTENTIAL
08/27/09 20:54:52 REBUILD SOMETIME IN THE FUTURE
08/27/09 20:54:52 COULD OCCUR.
08/27/09 20:54:55 >> HOW
08/27/09 20:54:57 ABOUT A FEE WAIVER?
08/27/09 20:54:59 >> FEE WAIVER PROVISIONS ARE
08/27/09 20:54:59 TYPICALLY GRANTED BY COUNCIL
08/27/09 20:55:00 ONLY IF THERE WAS A MISTAKE ON
08/27/09 20:55:04 THE PART OF STAFF IN TERMS
08/27/09 20:55:04 OF
08/27/09 20:55:05 BILLING FOR SOMETHING.
08/27/09 20:55:06 >> OH, WE CAN BLAME STAFF.
08/27/09 20:55:07 [ LAUGHTER ]
08/27/09 20:55:08 >> I MEAN CERTAINLY SHE HAS THE
08/27/09 20:55:10 RIGHT TO ASK AND PRESENT YOU
08/27/09 20:55:12 EVIDENCE, BUT IT'S ALSO I
08/27/09 20:55:13 BELIEVE TYPICALLY I DON'T KNOW
08/27/09 20:55:16 IF IT HAPPENS AFTER THE FACT OR
08/27/09 20:55:16 HOW THAT WORKS.
08/27/09 20:55:18 >> WHY DON'T WE HEAR FROM
08/27/09 20:55:19 OPPOSITION AND SEE MAYBE THEN
08/27/09 20:55:20 --
08/27/09 20:55:23 >> I'M PRETTY SURE SHE'S
08/27/09 20:55:23 DONE.
08/27/09 20:55:26 >> I HAVE NO PLANS, NOT EVEN IN
08/27/09 20:55:27 THE FAR DISTANCE.
08/27/09 20:55:30 >> WE BELIEVE YOU, BUT THE
08/27/09 20:55:33 PROBLEM IS ONCE IT'S REZONED 50
08/27/09 20:55:35 YEARS FROM NOW YOUR CHILDREN OR
08/27/09 20:55:36 GRANDCHILDREN SELL IT, IT'S GOT
08/27/09 20:55:37 THAT POTENTIAL.
08/27/09 20:55:39 SO IT'S NOT THAT WE DON'T
08/27/09 20:55:39 BELIEVE YOU.
08/27/09 20:55:41 IT'S JUST ZONING IS FOREVER AND
08/27/09 20:55:41 THAT'S A CONCERN.
08/27/09 20:55:42 >> OKAY.
08/27/09 20:55:43 >> SO LET'S HEAR FROM OTHER
08/27/09 20:55:43 PEOPLE.
08/27/09 20:55:46 >> AND YOU CAN COME BACK
08/27/09 20:55:50 AND
08/27/09 20:55:50 REBUTTAL.
08/27/09 20:55:52 ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK?
08/27/09 20:55:54 >> THANK YOU COUNCIL MEMBERS.
08/27/09 20:55:57 RON NOBLE AT 3403 WEST OBISPO
08/27/09 20:55:57 STREET.
08/27/09 20:56:00 JUST TO BACK
08/27/09 20:56:03 UP
08/27/09 20:56:06 TO ANSWER YOUR
08/27/09 20:56:09 QUESTION THAT WE CALL IT THE
08/27/09 20:56:12 SHED, BUT THE GARAGE IF YOU
08/27/09 20:56:13 WILL, THE TEN BY 20-FOOT
08/27/09 20:56:16 STRUCTURE THAT WOULD BE THE
08/27/09 20:56:19 SECOND DWELLING UNIT
08/27/09 20:56:20 ON THE
08/27/09 20:56:20 PROPERTY.
08/27/09 20:56:21 WE APPRECIATE WHAT MISS MAAS
08/27/09 20:56:23 HAS DONE WITH THE PROPERTY.
08/27/09 20:56:23 SHE HAS FIXED IT UP.
08/27/09 20:56:25 SHE'S DONE WELL TO TRY AND
08/27/09 20:56:25 MAINTAIN IT.
08/27/09 20:56:28 IT IS OUT OF CHARACTER WITH THE
08/27/09 20:56:29 REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
08/27/09 20:56:30 SHE PUT THE OTHER PICTURES UP
08/27/09 20:56:33 OF WHAT THE OTHER HOMES HAVE
08/27/09 20:56:35 DEVELOPED WITH ON THE NORTH
08/27/09 20:56:35 SIDE.
08/27/09 20:56:36 WE'VE HAD SOME GREAT
08/27/09 20:56:37 REDEVELOPMENT IN THAT AREA.
08/27/09 20:56:38 WE'VE HAD REALLY NICE THINGS
08/27/09 20:56:39 HAPPEN IN THAT BLOCK OF OBISPO.
08/27/09 20:56:41 IT IS RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET
08/27/09 20:56:42 FROM ROOSEVELT ELEMENTARY AND
08/27/09 20:56:46 WE'LL GET TO BACK THAT ISSUE
08/27/09 20:56:49 IN
08/27/09 20:56:55 JUST A MINUTE HERE.
08/27/09 20:57:07 SOMEONE WOULD IN FACT
08/27/09 20:57:08 COME UP
08/27/09 20:57:11 AND DEVELOP IT WITH TWO
08/27/09 20:57:14 DWELLING UNITS ON I.
08/27/09 20:57:17 [ SWITCHING CAPTIONERS ]

08/27/09 20:58:08 .
08/27/09 20:58:09 [CAPTIONER TRANSITION].
08/27/09 20:58:10 >> ...
08/27/09 20:58:12 WHICH IS PREDOMINANTLY
08/27/09 20:58:12 SINGLE FAMILY.
08/27/09 20:58:14 THE OTHER CONCERN IS TRAFFIC.
08/27/09 20:58:17 SHE DOESN'T
08/27/09 20:58:19 LIVE THERE, SHE
08/27/09 20:58:19 RENTS THERE.
08/27/09 20:58:22 THE HABIT HAS BEEN TO RENT
08/27/09 20:58:23 TO
08/27/09 20:58:23 UNRELATED SINGLE ADULTS.
08/27/09 20:58:26 OF THIS'S BEEN NICE FOLKS AND
08/27/09 20:58:28 KIDS BUT IT'S A TREMENDOUS
08/27/09 20:58:29 IMPACT TRAFFICWISE.
08/27/09 20:58:32 THIS IS ACROSS THE STREET FROM
08/27/09 20:58:38 ROOSEVELT
08/27/09 20:58:39 ELEMENTARY.
08/27/09 20:58:41 HERE IS ROOSEVELT.
08/27/09 20:58:42 THIS IS THE PRIMARY INGRESS,
08/27/09 20:58:45 EGRESS
08/27/09 20:58:46 POINT.
08/27/09 20:58:49 THIS
08/27/09 20:58:52 IS
08/27/09 20:58:55 WHERE
08/27/09 20:58:56 EVERYBODY --
08/27/09 20:58:56 THERE'S NO CROSSWALK.
08/27/09 20:58:57 EVERYBODY WALKS THERE TO GET
08/27/09 20:58:59 ACROSS THE STREET AND THAT'S THE
08/27/09 20:59:01 MAIN GATE WHERE THE TRAFFIC
08/27/09 20:59:03 DROPS OFF IN THE MORNING AND
08/27/09 20:59:04 PICKS UP IN THE AFTERNOON.
08/27/09 20:59:06 HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF CARS IN
08/27/09 20:59:07 THE DAY.
08/27/09 20:59:09 THIS IS A PICTURE OF THE AVERAGE
08/27/09 20:59:12 MORNING WHERE I CAN'T GET OUT OF
08/27/09 20:59:13 MY DRIVEWAY.
08/27/09 20:59:14 THERE'S NO OFFSITE PARKING AT
08/27/09 20:59:16 THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, AT THE
08/27/09 20:59:16 PETITION PROPERTY.
08/27/09 20:59:19 THERE IS NO OFFSITE PARKING.
08/27/09 20:59:21 THERE IS THERE IS THIS ONE SPOT
08/27/09 20:59:23 IN FRONT OF THE SHED.
08/27/09 20:59:24 IT'S NOT EVEN USED.
08/27/09 20:59:27 THERE'S NO OTHER DRIVEWAY, NO
08/27/09 20:59:27 OTHER OFFSITE PROPERTY.
08/27/09 20:59:30 SO OFFSITE PARKING IS A
08/27/09 20:59:32 CONCERN.
08/27/09 20:59:35 I DON'T WANT --
08/27/09 20:59:37 THE SBEK --
08/27/09 20:59:38 SETBACK ISSUES, THE REPORT TALKS
08/27/09 20:59:41 ABOUT SETBACKS THAT ARE COMPLIED
08/27/09 20:59:44 W THE SURVEY
08/27/09 20:59:46 THAT WAS SUBMITTED
08/27/09 20:59:47 WITH THE APPLICATION SHOWING
08/27/09 20:59:49 WHAT IS DEPICTED ON THE SURVEY
08/27/09 20:59:50 AND I'M SURE YOU WON'T BE ABLE
08/27/09 20:59:53 TO READ THAT, IT SAYS ON THE
08/27/09 20:59:56 SURVEY 10 FOOT BY 20 FOOT
08/27/09 20:59:57 WOODEN
08/27/09 20:59:59 FRAMED GARAGE SHOWING IT THREE
08/27/09 21:00:01 FEET FROM MY PROPERTY BOUNDARY
08/27/09 21:00:04 AND 2.7 FEET FROM THE NEIGHBOR'S
08/27/09 21:00:04 PROPERTY BOUNDARY.
08/27/09 21:00:05 SO OBVIOUSLY IT DOESN'T COMPLY
08/27/09 21:00:08 WITH THE SETBACKS AND MAYBE THEY
08/27/09 21:00:09 WERE EVALUATING THE PRIMARY
08/27/09 21:00:10 STRUCTURE AND NOT FOCUSSING ON
08/27/09 21:00:13 THE FACT THAT THIS
08/27/09 21:00:16 GARAGE
08/27/09 21:00:21 WAS
08/27/09 21:00:24 GOING TO BE A SECOND
08/27/09 21:00:28 .
08/27/09 21:00:31 >> THANK YOU, .
08/27/09 21:00:34 >> Mr. Dingfelder: ON THE
08/27/09 21:00:37 RM-16th THAT'S
08/27/09 21:00:38 EXISTING, I
08/27/09 21:00:40 ASSUME THAT'S A 50 BY 100 FOOT
08/27/09 21:00:41 LOT.
08/27/09 21:00:41 >> YES, SIR.
08/27/09 21:00:43 >> Mr. Dingfelder: IS THERE A
08/27/09 21:00:44 POTENTIAL THERE FOR TWO UNITS
08/27/09 21:00:47 THAT, I
08/27/09 21:00:49 DON'T KNOW, WHAT'S RM
08/27/09 21:00:52 16, 45 FEET TALL OR SOMETHING
08/27/09 21:00:53 LIKE THAT.
08/27/09 21:00:56 >> THERE'S NOT ENOUGH LAND AREA
08/27/09 21:00:59 FOR TWO UNITS AT THE RM-16
08/27/09 21:01:00 AT
08/27/09 21:01:01 LAND DENSITY.
08/27/09 21:01:03 EVEN THOUGH IT'S RM-16, AND R-20
08/27/09 21:01:05 LAND USE UNDERNEATH, AT THE 16
08/27/09 21:01:06 UNITS AN ACRE AND THE 5,000
08/27/09 21:01:09 SQUARE FEET, THEY ONLY
08/27/09 21:01:10 GET ONE
08/27/09 21:01:10 UNIT.
08/27/09 21:01:11 >> Mr. Dingfelder: SO UNDER CODE
08/27/09 21:01:13 THERE'S NO WAY YOU CAN SQUEEZE
08/27/09 21:01:14 IT IN.
08/27/09 21:01:15 AND MR. NOBLE, I APOLOGIZE, I
08/27/09 21:01:18 HAD TO STEP OUT FOR
08/27/09 21:01:20 ONE SECOND.
08/27/09 21:01:23 DID YOU OPINE ABOUT THE PD
08/27/09 21:01:23 POTENTIAL GRANDFATHERING THAT
08/27/09 21:01:24 LITTLE THING IN.
08/27/09 21:01:27 >> I'M SORRY I DID ADDRESS THAT
08/27/09 21:01:27 IN.
08/27/09 21:01:28 AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS A
08/27/09 21:01:31 CONCERN WITH THAT BECAUSE OF THE
08/27/09 21:01:32 WHAT YOU INTRODUCED THE TOPIC
08/27/09 21:01:32 WITH.
08/27/09 21:01:35 AS I SAID, MS. MAAS I TRULY
08/27/09 21:01:36 BELIEVE GENUINE IN HER STATEMENT
08/27/09 21:01:38 THAT SHE HAS NO SUCH INTENT.
08/27/09 21:01:40 TO PUT THAT IN A PD REZONING
08/27/09 21:01:43 WHICH WOULD ALLOW TWO DWELLING
08/27/09 21:01:44 UNITS IS GOING TO IMMEDIATELY
08/27/09 21:01:45 CAUSE THE, YOU KNOW THE FOLKS IN
08/27/09 21:01:47 THAT PART OF TOWN THAT ARE GOING
08/27/09 21:01:48 TO TARGET ON THAT PROPERTY AND
08/27/09 21:01:50 THEY WILL COME IN AND THEY'LL
08/27/09 21:01:51 ACQUIRE THAT PROPERTY.
08/27/09 21:01:52 SHE WILL BE ABLE TO STAND BY HER
08/27/09 21:01:55 WORD THAT SHE HAD
08/27/09 21:01:57 NO INTENT TO
08/27/09 21:01:58 REDEVELOP WITH WITH TWO UNITS
08/27/09 21:02:01 BUT I THINK WITH
08/27/09 21:02:01 THAT ZONING IT
08/27/09 21:02:02 WOULD REDEVELOP.
08/27/09 21:02:03 >> Mr. Dingfelder: BUT THE PD
08/27/09 21:02:04 WOULD BE CONTROLLED AS RELATED
08/27/09 21:02:07 TO THE BIG HOUSE AND THE LITTLE
08/27/09 21:02:09 HOUSE, AND THAT'S WHAT MY
08/27/09 21:02:10 QUESTION.
08/27/09 21:02:11 >> I'M SORRY, I MISUNDERSTOOD
08/27/09 21:02:13 THE SECOND PART OF YOUR
08/27/09 21:02:13 QUESTION.
08/27/09 21:02:16 I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE
08/27/09 21:02:19 NEIGHBORHOOD HAS
08/27/09 21:02:21 A CONCERN WITH,
08/27/09 21:02:22 WITH LEGALLY RECOGNISING A 10
08/27/09 21:02:24 FOOT BY 20 FOOT GARAGE, I LIVED
08/27/09 21:02:25 THERE FOR 15 YEARS, IT STARTED
08/27/09 21:02:28 AS
08/27/09 21:02:30 A SHED, AND THEN ENCLOSED
08/27/09 21:02:32 INTO A DARKROOM AND NOW A
08/27/09 21:02:32 DWELLING.
08/27/09 21:02:35 SHE'S FREE TO RENT IT
08/27/09 21:02:37 TO PEOPLE
08/27/09 21:02:38 WHO HAVE USED IN THE PAST.
08/27/09 21:02:41 SHE IS FREE TO RENT IT AS IT
08/27/09 21:02:43 STANDS THERE AS PART OF A SINGLE
08/27/09 21:02:44 DWELLING, YES.
08/27/09 21:02:46 BUT IT JUST --IT DOESN'T MAKE
08/27/09 21:02:47 SENSE AND IT'S INCONSISTENT WITH
08/27/09 21:02:49 THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO HAVE IT AS A
08/27/09 21:02:51 LEGALLY RECOGNISED SECOND
08/27/09 21:02:54 DWELLING UNIT ON A 5,000
08/27/09 21:02:55 SQUARE
08/27/09 21:02:55 FOOT PROPERTY.
08/27/09 21:02:57 >> MS. SAUL-SENA?
08/27/09 21:02:59 >> Ms. Saul-Sena: THE PETITIONER
08/27/09 21:03:00 GETS REBUTTAL.
08/27/09 21:03:03 >> COULD YOU
08/27/09 21:03:05 COME BACK UP WITH
08/27/09 21:03:05 YOUR REBUTTAL.
08/27/09 21:03:08 >> I GUESS THE FIRST THING
08/27/09 21:03:11 I
08/27/09 21:03:14 WANT TO
08/27/09 21:03:17 POINT OUT IS --EXCUSE
08/27/09 21:03:17 ME.
08/27/09 21:03:23 HERE IS MY PROPERTY RIGHT
08/27/09 21:03:23 HERE.
08/27/09 21:03:26 HERE IS THE --HERE'S
08/27/09 21:03:27 TWO
08/27/09 21:03:28 MULTIFAMILY HOMES RIGHT HERE.
08/27/09 21:03:31 ONE RIGHT
08/27/09 21:03:34 BEHIND ME,
08/27/09 21:03:39 IT'S A
08/27/09 21:03:39 FOURPLEX.
08/27/09 21:03:39 OKAY?
08/27/09 21:03:42 MY --THIS MAP .
08/27/09 21:03:44 >> EXCUSE ME.
08/27/09 21:03:47 THIS IS
08/27/09 21:03:49 --MY PROPERTY IS REALLY
08/27/09 21:03:51 MORE UP, IT'S RIGHT NEXT TO
08/27/09 21:03:51 ROOSEVELT.
08/27/09 21:03:54 I DON'T HAVE A PROPERTY
08/27/09 21:03:57 RIGHT
08/27/09 21:03:57 NEXT TO ME.
08/27/09 21:04:00 THIS MAP IS
08/27/09 21:04:02 NOT --OH, RIGHT
08/27/09 21:04:02 HERE?
08/27/09 21:04:03 WELL, IT'S JUST LAND.
08/27/09 21:04:04 THEY'RE NOT --OKAY.
08/27/09 21:04:06 I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
08/27/09 21:04:09 SO THIS IS
08/27/09 21:04:11 ALL LAND RIGHT HERE,
08/27/09 21:04:11 OKAY?
08/27/09 21:04:14 THERE'S NO
08/27/09 21:04:17 --THERE ARE NO HOMES
08/27/09 21:04:17 THERE.
08/27/09 21:04:32 IT IS A MULTIFAMILY DISTRICT
08/27/09 21:04:35 .
08/27/09 21:04:38 HERE'S THE SCHOOL RIGHT
08/27/09 21:04:39 HERE.
08/27/09 21:04:39 HERE'S MY PROPERTY.
08/27/09 21:04:42 IT'S RIGHT ON CONCORDIA AND
08/27/09 21:04:42 OBISPO RIGHT HERE.
08/27/09 21:04:45 THIS IS A
08/27/09 21:04:48 FOURPLEX, AND
08/27/09 21:04:49 HE
08/27/09 21:04:52 SHOWED THE PICTURES.
08/27/09 21:04:55 HOW IT'S
08/27/09 21:04:56 SET UP IS THEY HAVE
08/27/09 21:04:59 ABOUT FOUR, FOUR TO SIX PARKING
08/27/09 21:05:01 SPOTS RIGHT NEXT TO MINE.
08/27/09 21:05:04 RIGHT
08/27/09 21:05:06 NEXT TO WHERE MY DRIVEWAY
08/27/09 21:05:06 IS.
08/27/09 21:05:12 WITH REGARDS TO THE SIZE OF
08/27/09 21:05:13 THE
08/27/09 21:05:15 PROPERTY, OR WITH THE COTTAGE,
08/27/09 21:05:18 EXCUSE ME, I'LL GET
08/27/09 21:05:18 MY COMPOSURE
08/27/09 21:05:20 HERE IN A SECOND.
08/27/09 21:05:23 IT IS A 10 BY
08/27/09 21:05:24 20 UNIT --OR 10
08/27/09 21:05:27 BY 20 COTTAGE; HOWEVER, I DO
08/27/09 21:05:33 HAVE PERMITS TO IMPROVE
08/27/09 21:05:34 THAT
08/27/09 21:05:37 PROPERTY, BUILDING AND
08/27/09 21:05:39 ELECTRIC.
08/27/09 21:05:40 I'VE GOTTEN MOST OF IT GOING.
08/27/09 21:05:43 WHICH
08/27/09 21:05:45 WILL BRING IT UP TO CODE
08/27/09 21:05:48 FOR --TO MAKE IT MORE WITHIN --
08/27/09 21:05:51 SO INSTEAD OF IT ONLY BEING 10
08/27/09 21:05:54 TO 20 FEET
08/27/09 21:05:56 --OR 10 BY 20
08/27/09 21:05:59 STRUCTURE, IF THE
08/27/09 21:06:01 ZONING GOES
08/27/09 21:06:03 THROUGH, I CAN INCREASE THE
08/27/09 21:06:04 SQUARE FOOTAGE BY ABOUT 100
08/27/09 21:06:07 SQUARE FEET, AND THAT
08/27/09 21:06:10 WILL
08/27/09 21:06:12 BRING
08/27/09 21:06:15 IT UP TO
08/27/09 21:06:15 CODE.
08/27/09 21:06:15 OKAY?
08/27/09 21:06:15 DO YOU --UM.
08/27/09 21:06:18 AND WITH THIS NEW --WITH
08/27/09 21:06:20 THIS
08/27/09 21:06:22 NEW INFORMATION FROM THE
08/27/09 21:06:23 NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, THIS
08/27/09 21:06:26 GENTLEMAN RIGHT HERE, I AM
08/27/09 21:06:29 WONDERING IF I SHOULD GET
08/27/09 21:06:30 --ASK
08/27/09 21:06:33 FOR A CONTINUANCE INSTEAD AND
08/27/09 21:06:33 GO
08/27/09 21:06:36 THAT ROUTE
08/27/09 21:06:37 BECAUSE I WAS NOT
08/27/09 21:06:37 PREPARED.
08/27/09 21:06:40 I DID NOT KNOW I WAS GOING
08/27/09 21:06:41 TO
08/27/09 21:06:44 HAVE THIS OPPOSITION WITH
08/27/09 21:06:44 REGARDS TO ALL THIS.
08/27/09 21:06:47 TO ME, IT WAS A PRETTY --
08/27/09 21:06:48 IT WAS
08/27/09 21:06:49 A SLAM DUNK.
08/27/09 21:06:52 I'M NOW SEEING
08/27/09 21:06:55 THAT I WAS NAIVE
08/27/09 21:06:57 IN, IN, IN THAT THOUGHT PROCESS.
08/27/09 21:07:03 SO
08/27/09 21:07:06 I'M WONDERING IF A
08/27/09 21:07:06 CONTINUANCE.
08/27/09 21:07:07 I'M REQUESTING FOR A CONTINUANCE
08/27/09 21:07:10 BECAUSE I
08/27/09 21:07:11 DON'T KNOW IF I'M
08/27/09 21:07:14 GETTING THE FEEDBACK THAT I'M
08/27/09 21:07:15 HEARING FROM THE HOME OWNERS
08/27/09 21:07:18 ASSOCIATION AND STUFF I THINK A
08/27/09 21:07:21 CONTINUANCE
08/27/09 21:07:23 MAY BE IN ORDER.
08/27/09 21:07:25 OR A PD OR A SPECIAL --SOMEBODY
08/27/09 21:07:28 HAD
08/27/09 21:07:30 MENTIONED A SPECIAL USE
08/27/09 21:07:31 PERMIT TO ME.
08/27/09 21:07:33 >> I'M IN FAVOR OF A CONTINUANCE
08/27/09 21:07:36 BUT I WANT A CONTINUANCE IN A
08/27/09 21:07:38 NIGHT MEETING TO CONVENIENCE ANY
08/27/09 21:07:38 NEIGHBORS.
08/27/09 21:07:39 AND, YOU KNOW, SURE, EXPLORE ALL
08/27/09 21:07:41 THE OPTIONS YOU CAN.
08/27/09 21:07:43 I MEAN, CLEARLY YOU'VE HEARD
08/27/09 21:07:46 NEIGHBORS HAVE CONCERNS.
08/27/09 21:07:46 >> CAN I REQUEST A DAY?
08/27/09 21:07:48 >> NO.
08/27/09 21:07:51 IT HAS TO BE A NIGHT.
08/27/09 21:07:52 >> OKAY.
08/27/09 21:07:52 OKAY, THAT'S FINE.
08/27/09 21:07:53 >> PEOPLE HAVE OPPOSITION AND
08/27/09 21:07:55 THEY HAVE TO BE ABLE TO COME
08/27/09 21:07:56 DOWN AT NIGHT.
08/27/09 21:07:59 >> WHAT WOULD BE THE NEXT
08/27/09 21:08:02 NIGHT
08/27/09 21:08:02 WE HAVE?
08/27/09 21:08:05 >> IS A MONTH OKAY, MA'AM?
08/27/09 21:08:06 >> A MONTH, YES.
08/27/09 21:08:08 >> I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY, I'M
08/27/09 21:08:09 VERY FAMILIAR WITH THIS
08/27/09 21:08:09 NEIGHBORHOOD.
08/27/09 21:08:12 I USED TO LIVE
08/27/09 21:08:13 10 BLOCKS AWAY.
08/27/09 21:08:16 AND IT IS GETTING BETTER ALL THE
08/27/09 21:08:19 TIME, AND I WOULD JUST SAY IF I
08/27/09 21:08:21 WERE YOU, I WOULD --I REALLY
08/27/09 21:08:24 THINK THAT THE PARKING ISSUE IS
08/27/09 21:08:25 A VERY VALID ONE.
08/27/09 21:08:27 IF PEOPLE ARE CURRENTLY BUILDING
08/27/09 21:08:29 A HOME, YOU HAVE TO PROVIDE SOME
08/27/09 21:08:29 OFFSTREET PARKING.
08/27/09 21:08:31 SURE.
08/27/09 21:08:33 >> YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT TWO
08/27/09 21:08:35 HOMES WITH VIRTUALLY NO
08/27/09 21:08:35 OFFSTREET PARKING.
08/27/09 21:08:38 I THINK YOU MIGHT DO BETTER TO
08/27/09 21:08:39 CONSIDER BACKING ON OFF THIS AND
08/27/09 21:08:41 RENTING IT TO A CRAFTS PERSON
08/27/09 21:08:43 WHO NEEDS A STUDIO OR A PERSON
08/27/09 21:08:46 WHO TEACHES AND NEEDS A STUDIO
08/27/09 21:08:47 FOR THEIR PIANO LESSONS OR
08/27/09 21:08:49 WHATEVER IT IS THAT THEY TEACH.
08/27/09 21:08:50 BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S A
08/27/09 21:08:52 DECENT SIZE SPACE FOR THAT KIND
08/27/09 21:08:54 OF FACILITY, BUT NOT --AND
08/27/09 21:08:56 YOU'VE GOT A SCHOOL ACROSS THE
08/27/09 21:08:56 STREET.
08/27/09 21:08:59 MAYBE THERE'S SOMEONE WHO IS A
08/27/09 21:08:59 TUTOR.
08/27/09 21:09:00 YOU DON'T SEE TWO HOUSES.
08/27/09 21:09:03 I, I CAN JUST SAY PERSONALLY
08/27/09 21:09:04 BEFORE YOU INVEST ANY MORE
08/27/09 21:09:07 MONEY, I WON'T BE ABLE TO
08/27/09 21:09:10 SUPPORT THIS ZONING TO ALLOW TWO
08/27/09 21:09:11 RESIDENCES THERE.
08/27/09 21:09:13 I'M SORRY, BUT IT'S NOT THE
08/27/09 21:09:13 RIGHT FIT.
08/27/09 21:09:15 IT'S JUST TOO SMALL A LOT, IN MY
08/27/09 21:09:15 OPINION.
08/27/09 21:09:17 AND THE PARKING IS A BIG ISSUE.
08/27/09 21:09:20 >> WELL, PARKING,
08/27/09 21:09:23 I WAS SPEAKING
08/27/09 21:09:25 WITH A CONTRACTOR AND WE WERE
08/27/09 21:09:26 WALKING THE PROPERTY YESTERDAY
08/27/09 21:09:28 AND WE HAD DIFFERENT SPOTS WHERE
08/27/09 21:09:31 WE COULD EASILY PUT PARKING AND
08/27/09 21:09:34 MAKE IT
08/27/09 21:09:37 ACCOMMODATING AND
08/27/09 21:09:37 MAKE
08/27/09 21:09:38 IT LOOK NICE.
08/27/09 21:09:41 IT'S A DOABLE --I CAN GET A
08/27/09 21:09:44 SITE PLAN TOGETHER AND GO
08/27/09 21:09:45 THAT
08/27/09 21:09:48 ROUTE, AND IT'S, IT'S
08/27/09 21:09:49 SURROUNDED
08/27/09 21:09:51 BY --BESIDES TO THE.
08/27/09 21:09:51 >> WEST.
08/27/09 21:09:54 >> WEST OF ME,
08/27/09 21:09:55 THEY'RE SINGLE
08/27/09 21:09:56 FAMILY RIGHT THERE.
08/27/09 21:09:59 HOWEVER, THEY --WE HAVE A
08/27/09 21:09:59 FENCE
08/27/09 21:09:59 UP.
08/27/09 21:10:00 IT'S VERY PRIVATE.
08/27/09 21:10:03 I'VE NEVER
08/27/09 21:10:04 SPOKE WITH MY
08/27/09 21:10:05 NEIGHBORS, UNFORTUNATELY.
08/27/09 21:10:06 NEVER HAD ANY ISSUES, THEY'VE
08/27/09 21:10:09 NEVER COME TO ME WITH
08/27/09 21:10:10 PARKING
08/27/09 21:10:13 ISSUES, LOUD
08/27/09 21:10:15 NOISE ISSUES.
08/27/09 21:10:17 THEY'VE NEVER COME TO ME WITH
08/27/09 21:10:17 MAINTENANCE ISSUES.
08/27/09 21:10:20 I JUST PUT A NEW ROOF
08/27/09 21:10:21 ON THE
08/27/09 21:10:21 PROPERTY.
08/27/09 21:10:24 I HAD IT PAINTED A YEAR AND A
08/27/09 21:10:25 HALF AGO.
08/27/09 21:10:26 I'M IMPROVING THE PROPERTY.
08/27/09 21:10:29 AND TO BE ABLE TO JUST ADD
08/27/09 21:10:30 ON
08/27/09 21:10:33 100 SQUARE FEET, MAYBE 150, MAKE
08/27/09 21:10:35 IT NICE, IS --I DON'T THINK
08/27/09 21:10:38 THAT --I DON'T THINK I'M ASKING
08/27/09 21:10:41 FOR TOO MUCH TO MAKE IT A
08/27/09 21:10:46 NICE
08/27/09 21:10:48 PLACE FOR SOMEBODY TO LIVE.
08/27/09 21:10:50 IT WOULD SURE HELP US IN OUR
08/27/09 21:10:53 FINANCIAL HARDSHIP TO BE ABLE TO
08/27/09 21:10:53 RENT IT OUT SEPARATELY.
08/27/09 21:10:56 WE'VE BEEN RENTING IT TO A
08/27/09 21:10:57 FAMILY --WE RENTED IT TO A
08/27/09 21:11:00 FAMILY FOR THREE TO FOUR YEARS.
08/27/09 21:11:01 THEY WERE VERY, VERY HAPPILY.
08/27/09 21:11:04 HER DAUGHTER LIVED IN THE BACK,
08/27/09 21:11:06 HAD HER OWN CAR AND EVERYTHING
08/27/09 21:11:06 LIKE THAT.
08/27/09 21:11:09 SO IT'S --I JUST WANT TO MAKE
08/27/09 21:11:14 IT LEGAL.
08/27/09 21:11:14 >> ALL RIGHT.
08/27/09 21:11:14 THAT'S ENOUGH.
08/27/09 21:11:20 MS. MULHERN HAS A QUESTION.
08/27/09 21:11:22 >> Ms. Mulhern: THERE'S AT LEAST
08/27/09 21:11:22 ONE PARKING SPOT, RIGHT?
08/27/09 21:11:24 >> YOU CAN PARK ABOUT THREE
08/27/09 21:11:27 CARS, BUT THEY ARE IN TANDEM.
08/27/09 21:11:29 >> Ms. Mulhern: RIGHT.
08/27/09 21:11:31 >> HOWEVER, RIGHT NEXT --RIGHT
08/27/09 21:11:34 NEXT TO THERE I CAN
08/27/09 21:11:36 EASILY PUT
08/27/09 21:11:36 ANOTHER PARKING SPOT.
08/27/09 21:11:37 THERE'S A TREE --
08/27/09 21:11:38 >> Ms. Mulhern: OKAY.
08/27/09 21:11:39 YOU DON'T HAVE TO GET INTO IT
08/27/09 21:11:42 AND I THINK IF IT'S POSSIBLE
08/27/09 21:11:44 TO
08/27/09 21:11:47 HAVE THIS PARKING SPOT
08/27/09 21:11:48 FOR THE,
08/27/09 21:11:48 FOR THE COTTAGE.
08/27/09 21:11:49 >> UH-HUH.
08/27/09 21:11:51 >> Ms. Mulhern: AND PARKING FOR
08/27/09 21:11:54 THE HOUSE, I DON'T SEE THAT AS A
08/27/09 21:11:54 PROBLEM.
08/27/09 21:11:57 AND I THINK THAT,
08/27/09 21:11:58 YOU KNOW,
08/27/09 21:12:00 THERE'S MULTIFAMILY HOUSING
08/27/09 21:12:00 HERE.
08/27/09 21:12:03 I THINK
08/27/09 21:12:06 THE PROBLEM IS --
08/27/09 21:12:07 THE
08/27/09 21:12:09 EUCLIDIAN ZONING MEANS YOU SELL
08/27/09 21:12:10 IT AND ANYTHING CAN GO UP.
08/27/09 21:12:13 IT IS THE SIDES OF AN EFFICIENCY
08/27/09 21:12:13 APARTMENT.
08/27/09 21:12:14 WE DO LIVE IN A CITY.
08/27/09 21:12:17 THIS IS KIND OF WHERE A LOT OF
08/27/09 21:12:17 PEOPLE ARE GOING NOW.
08/27/09 21:12:19 HAVING TO RENT OUT --
08/27/09 21:12:21 >> YES.
08/27/09 21:12:22 >> Ms. Mulhern: SMALLER PLACES,
08/27/09 21:12:23 IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR PEOPLE
08/27/09 21:12:26 WITH LESS INCOME TO
08/27/09 21:12:27 LIVE CLOSE
08/27/09 21:12:29 TO VERY GOOD SCHOOL.
08/27/09 21:12:31 I DON'T, I DON'T SEE THIS AS A
08/27/09 21:12:32 TERRIBLE THING.
08/27/09 21:12:35 I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERNS, BUT
08/27/09 21:12:37 I ALSO THINK THAT YOU'RE --IT
08/27/09 21:12:38 SOUNDS LIKE YOUR PARKING PROBLEM
08/27/09 21:12:39 AND YOUR TRAFFIC PROBLEM IS
08/27/09 21:12:41 BECAUSE OF THE SCHOOL FROM THE
08/27/09 21:12:43 FACT WE DON'T HAVE SCHOOL BUSES
08/27/09 21:12:44 AND KIDS CAN'T WALK TO SCHOOL
08/27/09 21:12:46 MORE THAN THE FACT THAT YOU
08/27/09 21:12:49 MIGHT HAVE, YOU KNOW,
08/27/09 21:12:50 MORE THAN
08/27/09 21:12:53 ONE OR TWO CARS AT ONE,
08/27/09 21:12:53 YOU
08/27/09 21:12:54 KNOW, HOUSE.
08/27/09 21:12:55 WE HAVE A DRIVEWAY.
08/27/09 21:12:56 WE DON'T HAVE A GARAGE.
08/27/09 21:12:57 WE HAVE TO MOVE OUR CARS ALL THE
08/27/09 21:12:57 TIME.
08/27/09 21:13:00 I MEAN, I KNOW IF YOU HAVE TWO
08/27/09 21:13:03 DIFFERENT FAMILIES, YOU CAN'T DO
08/27/09 21:13:03 THAT.
08/27/09 21:13:05 I JUST THINK THAT IT'S --THIS
08/27/09 21:13:06 DOESN'T SEEM LIKE SUCH A
08/27/09 21:13:08 HORRIBLE THING TO ME AND I THINK
08/27/09 21:13:09 THAT --I DON'T THINK YOU SHOULD
08/27/09 21:13:12 GIVE UP ON T TRY TO FIGURE OUT A
08/27/09 21:13:14 WAY TO DO THIS.
08/27/09 21:13:15 >> THANK YOU.
08/27/09 21:13:18 >> Ms. Mulhern: REALLY,
08/27/09 21:13:19 I
08/27/09 21:13:22 DON'T --CAN I ASK --ALL RIGHT.
08/27/09 21:13:23 DID YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD
08/27/09 21:13:25 ASSOCIATION VOTE ON THIS OR ARE
08/27/09 21:13:28 YOU JUST COMING HERE AS YOU LIVE
08/27/09 21:13:28 RIGHT BY THERE?
08/27/09 21:13:30 >> WE'RE FINDING OUT WHAT'S
08/27/09 21:13:31 GOING ON WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD
08/27/09 21:13:32 ASSOCIATION.
08/27/09 21:13:33 I THINK YOU KNOW THE PRESIDENT
08/27/09 21:13:33 OF HER.
08/27/09 21:13:36 >> I'VE MET HER A COUPLE OF
08/27/09 21:13:36 TIMES.
08/27/09 21:13:39 >>
08/27/09 21:13:40 THE NEW GENTLEMAN PRESIDENT?
08/27/09 21:13:41 >> YES.
08/27/09 21:13:44 >> WE'RE LOOKING INTO THAT.
08/27/09 21:13:47 THERE'S BEEN A BREAKDOWN IN THE
08/27/09 21:13:49 NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION THAT
08/27/09 21:13:51 THEY'RE NOT MORE FORMALRY
08/27/09 21:13:51 PRESENT.
08/27/09 21:13:53 THEY WILL BE HERE IN THE NEXT
08/27/09 21:13:53 MEETING.
08/27/09 21:13:54 >> Ms. Mulhern: IT WOULD BE GOOD
08/27/09 21:13:57 IF YOU WOULD AT LEAST TALK TO
08/27/09 21:13:58 HER AND SEE IF THERE'S SOME WAYS
08/27/09 21:14:01 CAN YOU WORK OUT SOMETHING THAT
08/27/09 21:14:01 WOULD WORK.
08/27/09 21:14:02 >> MADAM CHAIR IF I COULD SAY
08/27/09 21:14:03 ONE THING.
08/27/09 21:14:04 >> DID YOU MAKE THE MOTION?
08/27/09 21:14:05 >> I MADE THE MOTION TO
08/27/09 21:14:05 CONTINUE.
08/27/09 21:14:08 I JUST HAD ONE MORE THING
08/27/09 21:14:09 TO
08/27/09 21:14:12 SAY, AND IT IT SORT
08/27/09 21:14:13 OF TAGS ON.
08/27/09 21:14:15 I THINK WE'RE ALL SYMPATHETIC TO
08/27/09 21:14:15 YOUR PLIGHT.
08/27/09 21:14:18 I MEAN, AND IT'S REALLY A PLIGHT
08/27/09 21:14:19 THAT --YOU'RE UPSIDE DOWN ON
08/27/09 21:14:22 THE PROPERTY AND
08/27/09 21:14:23 WE'RE FAMILIAR
08/27/09 21:14:26 WITH THAT.
08/27/09 21:14:27 THE PROBLEM IS IS LOCATION, TOO.
08/27/09 21:14:30 BECAUSE I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW
08/27/09 21:14:33 MANY CALLS MY OFFICE GETS
08/27/09 21:14:33 ABOUT
08/27/09 21:14:36 TRAFFIC AND PARKING PROBLEMS ON
08/27/09 21:14:37 EVERY SIDE OF ROOSEVELT
08/27/09 21:14:37 ELEMENTARY.
08/27/09 21:14:39 I MEAN I'VE HAD --
08/27/09 21:14:41 >> ON MY PROPERTY, TOO, SURE.
08/27/09 21:14:42 >> I'M HAD NEIGHBORS ALMOST
08/27/09 21:14:45 PHYSICALLY FIGHTING WITH EACH
08/27/09 21:14:47 OTHER, YOU KNOW, ABOUT PARKING
08/27/09 21:14:48 AND, YOU KNOW, STACKING AND
08/27/09 21:14:49 LINING UP AND WHERE SHOULD THEY
08/27/09 21:14:52 LINE UP AND THE COPS HAVE TO BE
08/27/09 21:14:55 CALLED AND ALL SORTS OF
08/27/09 21:14:55 THINGS.
08/27/09 21:14:56 SO WE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE
08/27/09 21:14:59 CONTEXT OF WHERE WE'RE TALKING
08/27/09 21:14:59 ABOUT AS WELL.
08/27/09 21:15:01 AND THE FACT THAT THERE IS
08/27/09 21:15:02 LIMITED PARKING ON THIS
08/27/09 21:15:05 PROPERTY, AND YOU'RE JUST GOING
08/27/09 21:15:08 TO BE THE
08/27/09 21:15:10 LANDLORD OF
08/27/09 21:15:13 POTENTIALLY
08/27/09 21:15:15 TWO DIFFERENT
08/27/09 21:15:18 FAMILIES EX AS ER
08/27/09 21:15:19 EX-ASKER BATES
08/27/09 21:15:19 THE
08/27/09 21:15:20 PROBLEM.
08/27/09 21:15:21 WHO KNOWS HOW MANY CARS THEY'RE
08/27/09 21:15:22 GOING TO HAVE.
08/27/09 21:15:23 LET'S GET INTO THAT NEXT TIME,
08/27/09 21:15:23 OKAY?
08/27/09 21:15:25 IF YOU COME BACK ON THIS ISSUE.
08/27/09 21:15:28 BUT I'M JUST SAYING THERE
08/27/09 21:15:29 ARE
08/27/09 21:15:30 SOME LEGITIMATE CONCERNS THAT
08/27/09 21:15:32 ARE MADE WORSE BY THE LOCATION
08/27/09 21:15:34 BEING BY THE SCHOOL.
08/27/09 21:15:36 >> ON THAT NOTE, SCHOOL IS
08/27/09 21:15:39 MAINLY DURING --IT'S
08/27/09 21:15:40 MONDAY
08/27/09 21:15:41 THROUGH FRIDAY DURING THE DAY.
08/27/09 21:15:44 MOST OF MY TENANTS WORK
08/27/09 21:15:46 AND
08/27/09 21:15:47 THEY'RE GONE.
08/27/09 21:15:50 SO THEY'RE
08/27/09 21:15:51 NOT THERE.
08/27/09 21:15:54 AND I HAVE ANOTHER MULTIUNIT
08/27/09 21:15:57 PROPERTY VERY SIMILAR
08/27/09 21:16:01 TO THIS
08/27/09 21:16:03 OVER ON PALMIRA AND THE COTTAGE
08/27/09 21:16:05 IS GRAND FATHERED IN AND I
08/27/09 21:16:08 HAVEN'T HAD TO
08/27/09 21:16:10 ADDRESS THIS BUT
08/27/09 21:16:11 I'M VERY DILIGENT AND VERY HANDS
08/27/09 21:16:12 ON ON MY PROPERTIES.
08/27/09 21:16:13 I KEEP THEM UP.
08/27/09 21:16:14 >> THANK YOU.
08/27/09 21:16:17 >> I'VE DONE MORE
08/27/09 21:16:20 THAN ...
08/27/09 21:16:23 >> WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A MONTH
08/27/09 21:16:23 IN THE EVENING?
08/27/09 21:16:25 >> ONE HEARING A MONTH RIGHT NOW
08/27/09 21:16:28 SO IT WOULD BE SEPTEMBER 24th OR
08/27/09 21:16:29 OCTOBER 22nd.
08/27/09 21:16:30 >> OCTOBER THE 22nd.
08/27/09 21:16:33 SHE NEED MORE TIME, I
08/27/09 21:16:34 THINK.
08/27/09 21:16:36 OCTOBER THE 22nd AT 6 P.M.
08/27/09 21:16:37 DO I GET A SECOND?
08/27/09 21:16:37 >> SECOND.
08/27/09 21:16:40 >> HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND TO
08/27/09 21:16:43 CONTINUE AT OCTOBER
08/27/09 21:16:44 22nd, ALL IN
08/27/09 21:16:44 FAVOR SAY AYE?
08/27/09 21:16:47 >> IF I MAY ADD A CAVEAT TO THAT
08/27/09 21:16:48 IF THERE IS A DECISION THAT SHE
08/27/09 21:16:50 TRIES TO PUT THIS INTO A PD
08/27/09 21:16:51 APPLICATION OF SOME SORT IT
08/27/09 21:16:52 WOULD PROBABLY NEED LONGER THAN
08/27/09 21:16:54 THAT, SO WE WOULD JUST HAVE TO
08/27/09 21:16:57 COME BACK ONTO 22nd AND CONTINUE
08/27/09 21:16:59 IT, BUT IN THE MOTION, I MEAN,
08/27/09 21:17:00 IF THAT HAPPENS, IT WOULD BE A
08/27/09 21:17:02 NEW APPLICATION SO SHE WOULD
08/27/09 21:17:02 HAVE TO RENOTICE.
08/27/09 21:17:04 >> I WAS GOING TO SAY, IF
08/27/09 21:17:07 IT TURNS OUT THAT IT'S
08/27/09 21:17:09 NOT GOING
08/27/09 21:17:12 TO BE ON OCTOBER 22ND, COULD YOU
08/27/09 21:17:13 GET THE CONTACT INFORMATION FOR
08/27/09 21:17:15 MR. NOBLE SO IN WE CAN CONTACT
08/27/09 21:17:18 HIM IN ADVANCE SO A BUNCH OF
08/27/09 21:17:19 PEOPLE DON'T COME DOWN.
08/27/09 21:17:20 >> HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND ALL
08/27/09 21:17:23 IN FAVOR OF
08/27/09 21:17:25 THE MOTION SAY AYE?
08/27/09 21:17:25 >> AYE.
08/27/09 21:17:25 >> STAND ADJOURNED.
08/27/09 21:17:26 >> THANK YOU.
08/27/09 21:17:41 .
08/27/09 21:17:41 [MEETING IS ADJOURNED].