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Tampa City Council
Thursday, September 3, 2009
9:00 a.m.

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09/03/09 09:06:12 >>> GOOD MORNING.
09/03/09 09:06:14 TAMPA CITY COUNCIL WILL NOW
09/03/09 09:06:15 COME TO ORDER.
09/03/09 09:06:18 >> THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN AND
09/03/09 09:06:18 GOOD MORNING.
09/03/09 09:06:21 I NORMALLY ASK FOR THE
09/03/09 09:06:22 PERSON
09/03/09 09:06:24 THAT HAVE GIVEN INVITATION TO
09/03/09 09:06:27 HAVE A SHOUT OUT FOR
09/03/09 09:06:27 THEMSELVES.
09/03/09 09:06:30 I MUST SAY THIS TIME IT'S THE
09/03/09 09:06:33 SHORTEST ONE I
09/03/09 09:06:36 EVER
09/03/09 09:06:38 RECEIVED.
09/03/09 09:06:39 HERE IT GOES.
09/03/09 09:06:40 MR. CHARLES.
09/03/09 09:06:43 AS THE DIRECTOR OF THE
09/03/09 09:06:44 TAMPA
09/03/09 09:06:45 AFFAIRS, HE IS A COMMUNITY
09/03/09 09:06:46 BUSINESS OWNER.
09/03/09 09:06:48 LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WOULD YOU
09/03/09 09:06:50 PLEASE STAND AND WELCOME MR.
09/03/09 09:06:53 FRED HERNZ FOR THE INVITATION
09/03/09 09:06:53 AND PLEASE REMAIN STANDING.
09/03/09 09:06:56 >> GOOD MORNING CITY COUNCIL.
09/03/09 09:06:57 >> GOOD MORNING.
09/03/09 09:07:00 >> LET'S BOW OUR HEADS
09/03/09 09:07:01 IN
09/03/09 09:07:01 PRAYER.
09/03/09 09:07:04 CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE, MASTER
09/03/09 09:07:05 OF ALL THINGS, WE HUMBLY BOW
09/03/09 09:07:06 THIS DAY TO THANK YOU.
09/03/09 09:07:08 WE THANK YOU FOR THIS CITY AND
09/03/09 09:07:11 FOR THE WELFARE OF
09/03/09 09:07:13 ALL OF ITS
09/03/09 09:07:13 CITIZENS.
09/03/09 09:07:14 OUR MAYOR, OUR CITY COUNCIL,
09/03/09 09:07:17 AND FOR ALL THE EMPLOYEES AND
09/03/09 09:07:20 THE CITIZENS THEY SERVE EACH
09/03/09 09:07:20 DAY.
09/03/09 09:07:21 THANK YOU FOR PROVIDING
09/03/09 09:07:23 OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE LEAST OF
09/03/09 09:07:25 US TO STRIVE FOR ALL THE
09/03/09 09:07:26 BLESSINGS YOU PROVIDE FOR ALL
09/03/09 09:07:29 WHO CALL UPON YOUR HOLY NAME.
09/03/09 09:07:31 WE ASK A BLESSING UPON THOSE
09/03/09 09:07:32 PUBLIC SERVANTS WHO RISK THEIR
09/03/09 09:07:35 LIVES TO SERVE AND
09/03/09 09:07:37 PROTECT US
09/03/09 09:07:38 AND OUR LIBERTIES.
09/03/09 09:07:40 STRENGTHEN THOSE FAMILIES THAT
09/03/09 09:07:42 HAVE LOST LOVED ONES WHILE
09/03/09 09:07:44 SERVING THIS CITY AND SERVING
09/03/09 09:07:46 MANKIND AND CONTINUE TO
09/03/09 09:07:48 STRENGTHEN US ALL IN OUR FAITH.
09/03/09 09:07:50 NOW WE ASK THAT YOU CONTINUE TO
09/03/09 09:07:52 BLESS THE CITY COUNCIL WITH
09/03/09 09:07:54 WISDOM AND KNOWLEDGE AND THAT
09/03/09 09:07:57 YOU CROWN EACH MEMBER WITH
09/03/09 09:07:59 UNDERSTANDING THAT GLORIFIES
09/03/09 09:07:59 YOUR NAME.
09/03/09 09:08:02 THIS WE ASK
09/03/09 09:08:08 IN YOUR MIGHTY
09/03/09 09:08:09 NAME, AMEN.
09/03/09 09:08:12 >>> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO
09/03/09 09:08:15 THE
09/03/09 09:08:20 UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
09/03/09 09:08:23 TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED
09/03/09 09:08:23 STATES OF AMERICA.
09/03/09 09:08:25 AND TO ITS REPUBLIC FOR WHICH
09/03/09 09:08:28 IT STANDS, ONE
09/03/09 09:08:29 NATION, UNDER
09/03/09 09:08:32 GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH
09/03/09 09:08:33 JUSTICE
09/03/09 09:08:33 FOR ALL.
09/03/09 09:08:35 >> .
09/03/09 09:08:37 >> THANK YOU.
09/03/09 09:08:38 NOW COUNCILWOMAN MILLER WILL
09/03/09 09:08:41 MAKE THE PRESENTATION FOR THE
09/03/09 09:08:44 POLICE
09/03/09 09:08:50 OFFICER OF THE MONTH.
09/03/09 09:08:53 >> GOOD MORNING
09/03/09 09:08:54 AGAIN AND
09/03/09 09:08:57 COUNCIL MEMBERS, IT'S AN HONOR
09/03/09 09:09:00 TO PRESENT OUR OFFICER OF THE
09/03/09 09:09:00 MONTH A BIG RECEPTION.
09/03/09 09:09:02 HE IS VERY HAPPY TO BE HERE
09/03/09 09:09:04 WITH US AND I'M GOING TO ASK
09/03/09 09:09:06 THE CHIEF TO COME UP AND BRING
09/03/09 09:09:09 UP OUR HONOR
09/03/09 09:09:12 GUEST, THIS IS
09/03/09 09:09:12 DETECTIVE.
09/03/09 09:09:15 >> THANK YOU
09/03/09 09:09:18 VERY MUCH FOR
09/03/09 09:09:18 RECOGNIZING DETECTIVE RAYMOND
09/03/09 09:09:20 ESTOVEZ TODAY AS OUR OFFICER OF
09/03/09 09:09:22 THE MONTH FOR AUGUST AND I
09/03/09 09:09:25 WOULD LIKE TO HAVE HIS WIFE
09/03/09 09:09:28 COME UP
09/03/09 09:09:29 BY HIS SIDE.
09/03/09 09:09:32 AS AN ALL THE OFFICERS COME IN
09/03/09 09:09:34 HERE, RAISE A SPECIAL GUY AT
09/03/09 09:09:35 THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
09/03/09 09:09:36 A THOUSAND POLICE OFFICERS AND
09/03/09 09:09:38 WE ONLY PICK 12 A YEAR TO COME
09/03/09 09:09:41 INTO THIS OFFICE AND SO THESE
09/03/09 09:09:44 ARE THE CREAM OF THE CROP.
09/03/09 09:09:47 BUT RAY IS AT THE TOP OF
09/03/09 09:09:47 THAT.
09/03/09 09:09:48 HE HAS AN OUTSTANDING
09/03/09 09:09:49 REPUTATION THROUGHOUT THE
09/03/09 09:09:50 POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR THE
09/03/09 09:09:51 QUALITY OF WORK THAT HE DOES.
09/03/09 09:09:53 HE HAS A VERY, VERY DIFFICULT
09/03/09 09:09:54 AND DANGEROUS JOB.
09/03/09 09:09:56 HE IS A ROBBER DETECTIVE AND
09/03/09 09:09:57 ROBBERY IS NOT WHEN SOMEBODY
09/03/09 09:09:58 BREAKS INTO YOUR HOUSE.
09/03/09 09:10:01 I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE
09/03/09 09:10:02 COMMONLY
09/03/09 09:10:02 CALL IT THAT.
09/03/09 09:10:04 ROBBERY IS SOMEONE WHO GOES
09/03/09 09:10:05 INTO A BUSINESS AND STICKS A
09/03/09 09:10:08 GUN OR KNIFE IN THEIR FACE AND
09/03/09 09:10:09 TAKES THEIR POSSESSIONS FROM
09/03/09 09:10:09 THEM BY FORCE.
09/03/09 09:10:11 AND THAT'S THE KIND OF CRIMES
09/03/09 09:10:12 THAT HE IS DEALING WITH EVERY
09/03/09 09:10:13 DAY AND THOSE ARE THE KIND OF
09/03/09 09:10:15 PEOPLE HE IS DEALING WITH EVERY
09/03/09 09:10:16 DAY.
09/03/09 09:10:19 AND WE ARE
09/03/09 09:10:20 RECOGNIZING FOR ONE
09/03/09 09:10:21 PARTICULAR INVESTIGATION THAT
09/03/09 09:10:23 HAD THE POTENTIAL TO TURN VERY
09/03/09 09:10:23 DEADLY.
09/03/09 09:10:26 WE HAD A SERIES OF
09/03/09 09:10:27 ARMED
09/03/09 09:10:28 ROBBERIES OF CONVENIENT STORES
09/03/09 09:10:30 IN THE SOUTH END OF TAMPA.
09/03/09 09:10:33 IT WAS THREE ROBBERIES IN
09/03/09 09:10:34 FIVE
09/03/09 09:10:34 DAYS.
09/03/09 09:10:36 AND THE SUSPECT INFORMATION WAS
09/03/09 09:10:37 PRETTY SCANT.
09/03/09 09:10:39 IT WAS WHITE MALE, 45 YEARS OLD
09/03/09 09:10:41 AND HAD SOME TATTOOS ON HIM.
09/03/09 09:10:42 THAT WAS ABOUT IT.
09/03/09 09:10:45 THAT FITS THE BILL FOR A LOT OF
09/03/09 09:10:45 PEOPLE.
09/03/09 09:10:48 SO RAY DIDN'T HAVE TOO
09/03/09 09:10:49 MUCH TO
09/03/09 09:10:49 GO ON.
09/03/09 09:10:52 BUT HE HAS
09/03/09 09:10:54 A SAWED OFF SHOTGUN,
09/03/09 09:10:57 THE SUSPECT DOES.
09/03/09 09:11:00 THIS IS A DANGEROUS WEAPON
09/03/09 09:11:01 AND
09/03/09 09:11:02 HE IS GOING INTO THESE
09/03/09 09:11:04 CONVENIENCE STORES AND ROBBING
09/03/09 09:11:07 THEM AT SUCH A PROLIFIC
09/03/09 09:11:08 RATE,
09/03/09 09:11:09 WE KNOW SOMETHING IS UP.
09/03/09 09:11:12 SOMEONE IS GOING TO GET
09/03/09 09:11:13 HURT OR
09/03/09 09:11:14 KILLED OR SECONDLY, WE FIGURED
09/03/09 09:11:15 GENERALLY WE ASSUME THESE
09/03/09 09:11:17 PEOPLE ARE ON DRUGS AND THEY
09/03/09 09:11:19 RUN OUT OF AN INCOME IN ORDER
09/03/09 09:11:22 TO BUY THEIR DRUGS, SO NOW THEY
09/03/09 09:11:23 DO, WHAT WE CONSIDER, A LOW
09/03/09 09:11:25 SKILL CRIME, WHICH IS TO TAKE A
09/03/09 09:11:27 WEAPON AND STICK IT IN
09/03/09 09:11:30 SOMEBODY'S FACE AND
09/03/09 09:11:31 TAKE THEIR
09/03/09 09:11:33 POSSESSIONS FROM THEM.
09/03/09 09:11:35 IN THE LAST ROBBERY, THE ONLY
09/03/09 09:11:36 ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT
09/03/09 09:11:38 CAME OUT OF THAT WAS, THE
09/03/09 09:11:40 SUSPECT DROVE AWAY IN A
09/03/09 09:11:41 VEHICLE, YOU COULD SEE TOYOTA
09/03/09 09:11:43 WRITTEN ON THE FRONT GRILL OF
09/03/09 09:11:43 THE PICKUP TRUCK.
09/03/09 09:11:46 THAT WAS ALL HE HAD TO GO ON
09/03/09 09:11:48 REALLY IN THIS CASE.
09/03/09 09:11:50 WHAT HE DID, HE DETERMINED
09/03/09 09:11:52 THROUGH HIS INVESTIGATION THAT
09/03/09 09:11:55 THERE WAS ONLY FROM
09/03/09 09:11:57 1989 TO
09/03/09 09:11:59 1991, THE TOYOTA TRUCK HAD THE
09/03/09 09:12:02 WORD TOYOTA WRITTEN IN THE
09/03/09 09:12:03 GRILL ON JUST THOSE VEHICLES.
09/03/09 09:12:05 HE WENT THROUGH THE COMPLETE
09/03/09 09:12:08 CITY DATA BASE LOOKING AT EVERY
09/03/09 09:12:11 TOYOTA VEHICLE TRUCK THAT MET
09/03/09 09:12:11 THAT DESCRIPTION.
09/03/09 09:12:14 HE FOUND 30 OF THEM IN THE
09/03/09 09:12:15 SOUTH END OF TOWN.
09/03/09 09:12:17 HE DIDN'T DO THIS OVER AN HOUR
09/03/09 09:12:19 OR TWO PERIOD, HE STARTED IN
09/03/09 09:12:22 THE MORNING AND I HEAR HE ENDED
09/03/09 09:12:23 UP ABOUT MIDNIGHT AT HIS HOUSE
09/03/09 09:12:26 WORKING ON THIS AND CAME
09/03/09 09:12:27 UP
09/03/09 09:12:30 WITH THESE 30 RESIDENCES AND
09/03/09 09:12:32 IT
09/03/09 09:12:34 ALWAYS WORKS OUT, HE VISITED
09/03/09 09:12:36 ALL OF THEM AND ON THE LAST
09/03/09 09:12:38 ONE, HE FINDS THIS TRUCK IN THE
09/03/09 09:12:40 DRIVEWAY OF THIS RESIDENCE AND
09/03/09 09:12:42 INSIDE, HE LOOKS INSIDE THE
09/03/09 09:12:45 TRUCK AND HE SEES THERE'S A
09/03/09 09:12:45 HAT
09/03/09 09:12:47 THAT MEETS THE DESCRIPTION AND
09/03/09 09:12:48 THERE'S SOME LOOSE MONEY
09/03/09 09:12:48 AROUND.
09/03/09 09:12:51 A PRETTY GOOD INDICATOR HE HIT
09/03/09 09:12:52 THE JACKPOT.
09/03/09 09:12:54 HE APPROACHED THE HOUSE, GOT
09/03/09 09:12:57 INTO THE HOUSE AND FOUND THE
09/03/09 09:13:00 SUSPECT HIDDEN IN THE BATHROOM,
09/03/09 09:13:01 IN THE BATHTUB, RECOVERED THE
09/03/09 09:13:03 WEAPON AND ALL THE CLOTHING AND
09/03/09 09:13:05 MADE A TIGHT CASE ON SOMETHING
09/03/09 09:13:07 THAT QUITE HONEST WITH YOU,
09/03/09 09:13:09 THAT WE PROBABLY WOULD HAVE HAD
09/03/09 09:13:10 SOMEBODY SERIOUSLY INJURED OR
09/03/09 09:13:11 KILLED BY THIS GUY BECAUSE HE
09/03/09 09:13:14 WAS OUT OF CONTROL AND ONCE
09/03/09 09:13:16 AGAIN, HE HAD BECOME ADDICTED
09/03/09 09:13:17 TO CRACK COCAINE AND HE LOST
09/03/09 09:13:20 CONTROL OF HIS LIFE AND THIS
09/03/09 09:13:21 IS
09/03/09 09:13:22 WHAT HE WAS DOING.
09/03/09 09:13:23 THAT'S WHY WE ARE RECOGNIZING
09/03/09 09:13:26 RAY, BUT I CAN TELL YOU THIS,
09/03/09 09:13:29 IN THE FIRST EIGHT MONTHS OF
09/03/09 09:13:30 THIS YEAR, RAY HAS TAKEN 40
09/03/09 09:13:32 ARMED ROBBERS OFF THE STREETS
09/03/09 09:13:33 OF TAMPA THROUGH WHAT HE DOES
09/03/09 09:13:36 AND SO YOU CAN SEE THAT TAMPA
09/03/09 09:13:38 IS CLEARLY A SAFER CITY TODAY
09/03/09 09:13:40 BECAUSE OF THE WORK OF RAY AND
09/03/09 09:13:43 WE ARE VERY PROUD TO MAKE HIM
09/03/09 09:13:46 OUR
09/03/09 09:13:49 OFFICER OF
09/03/09 09:13:50 THE MONTH.
09/03/09 09:13:50 THANK YOU.
09/03/09 09:13:51 [ APPLAUSE ]
09/03/09 09:13:54 >> DETECTIVE RAY, THIS
09/03/09 09:13:55 IS ON
09/03/09 09:13:58 BEHALF OF THE TAMPA CITY
09/03/09 09:13:58 COUNCIL.
09/03/09 09:14:01 I'M NOT GOING TO READ IT, I'LL
09/03/09 09:14:02 JUST PRESENT IT TO YOU.
09/03/09 09:14:05 AT THIS TIME, THE PUBLIC IS
09/03/09 09:14:06 GOING TO GIVE SOME GIFTS.
09/03/09 09:14:09 I'M GOING TO START
09/03/09 09:14:09 WITH
09/03/09 09:14:11 CHARLIE'S STEAK HOUSE, THEY ARE
09/03/09 09:14:14 GOING TO COME GIVE YOU
09/03/09 09:14:14 SOMETHING.
09/03/09 09:14:16 >> GOOD MORNING.
09/03/09 09:14:18 RAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09/03/09 09:14:20 ON BEHALF OF BILL CURRY FORD
09/03/09 09:14:22 AND FAMILY, THERE'S A SMALL
09/03/09 09:14:23 TOKEN FOR APPRECIATION.
09/03/09 09:14:26 THANK YOU FOR MAKING
09/03/09 09:14:29 OUR
09/03/09 09:14:30 CITY
09/03/09 09:14:30 SAFE.
09/03/09 09:14:31 [ APPLAUSE ]
09/03/09 09:14:34 >> I'M JIMMIE MEYER,
09/03/09 09:14:35 IN
09/03/09 09:14:36 CONJUNCTION WITH LAW
09/03/09 09:14:39 ENFORCEMENT, WE ARE PROUD TO
09/03/09 09:14:41 PRESENT YOU A $100 GIFT
09/03/09 09:14:43 CERTIFICATE FOR ALL YOUR LAW
09/03/09 09:14:44 ENFORCEMENT NEEDS.
09/03/09 09:14:45 I HAVE HAD A GREAT PLEASURE FOR
09/03/09 09:14:47 WORKING WITH RAY OVER THE YEARS
09/03/09 09:14:50 AND I COULDN'T THINK OF
09/03/09 09:14:51 A
09/03/09 09:14:52 BETTER CANDIDATE.
09/03/09 09:14:52 CONGRATULATIONS.
09/03/09 09:14:53 [ APPLAUSE ]
09/03/09 09:14:56 >>
09/03/09 09:14:59 GOOD MORNING COUNCIL,
09/03/09 09:14:59 DETECTIVE.
09/03/09 09:15:01 I WANT TO PRESENT YOU WITH
09/03/09 09:15:02 THIS.
09/03/09 09:15:02 THANK FOR YOUR SERVICE.
09/03/09 09:15:05 >> THANK
09/03/09 09:15:06 YOU.
09/03/09 09:15:07 [ APPLAUSE ]
09/03/09 09:15:10 >>
09/03/09 09:15:10 GOOD MORNING.
09/03/09 09:15:11 CONGRATULATIONS.
09/03/09 09:15:11 THESE REPRESENTING STEPS.
09/03/09 09:15:13 ON HALF OF JIM AND JUDY, WE
09/03/09 09:15:15 WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT THIS
09/03/09 09:15:16 STATUE TO YOU FOR A JOB WELL
09/03/09 09:15:16 DONE.
09/03/09 09:15:19 YOU DID A LOT
09/03/09 09:15:20 OF HUSTLING OUT
09/03/09 09:15:20 THERE.
09/03/09 09:15:23 40 SUSPECTS IN THIS SHORT OF
09/03/09 09:15:23 TIME.
09/03/09 09:15:25 AND A GIFT CERTIFICATE TO
09/03/09 09:15:26 LEROY, ENJOY IT.
09/03/09 09:15:29 >> THANK
09/03/09 09:15:29 YOU VERY MUCH.
09/03/09 09:15:30 [ APPLAUSE ]
09/03/09 09:15:33 >>
09/03/09 09:15:35 START PASSING IT DOWN.
09/03/09 09:15:38 STEVE McLINNI, I'M HERE ON
09/03/09 09:15:39 BEHALF OF A COUPLE ENTERPRISES
09/03/09 09:15:41 THAT WOULD LIKE TO RECOGNIZE
09/03/09 09:15:41 YOU.
09/03/09 09:15:43 SOMETIMES WE JOKE ABOUT THESE
09/03/09 09:15:44 GIFTS AND HONORING THESE
09/03/09 09:15:46 OFFICERS, BUT IT'S NOT A JOKE.
09/03/09 09:15:48 WE APPRECIATE WHAT YOU DO ON
09/03/09 09:15:49 THE STREET EVERY DAY AND I
09/03/09 09:15:50 DON'T THINK ANYTHING DRIVES
09/03/09 09:15:53 THAT HOME MORE CLOSELY TO OUR
09/03/09 09:15:54 HEARTS THAN ACCIDENTS THAT
09/03/09 09:15:54 OCCUR.
09/03/09 09:15:55 WE KNOW YOU ARE OUT THERE
09/03/09 09:15:58 TRYING TO PROTECT US AND
09/03/09 09:15:59 WE
09/03/09 09:16:00 REALLY APPRECIATE THAT.
09/03/09 09:16:02 ON BEHALF OF BOURN'S STEAK
09/03/09 09:16:04 ROUSE, WE WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT
09/03/09 09:16:07 YOU IT WITH
09/03/09 09:16:10 A $100 GIFT
09/03/09 09:16:10 CERTIFICATE.
09/03/09 09:16:13 AND ON BEHALF OF THE STUDIOS,
09/03/09 09:16:16 WE'LL PRESENT YOU WITH
09/03/09 09:16:16 A
09/03/09 09:16:17 PHOTOGRAPHIC PACKAGE.
09/03/09 09:16:18 WE APPRECIATE WHAT YOU DO AND
09/03/09 09:16:21 OUR HEARTS ARE ALWAYS OUT THERE
09/03/09 09:16:21 WITH YOU.
09/03/09 09:16:24 >> THANK
09/03/09 09:16:26 YOU VERY MUCH.
09/03/09 09:16:26 [ APPLAUSE ]
09/03/09 09:16:29 >> I WOULD LIKE TO THANK CITY
09/03/09 09:16:31 COUNCIL AND STAFF FOR
09/03/09 09:16:34 RECOGNIZING THE EFFORTS THAT I
09/03/09 09:16:35 PUT INTO THIS CASE.
09/03/09 09:16:36 QUITE HONESTLY, IT WASN'T
09/03/09 09:16:37 SOMETHING I DID BY MYSELF AND I
09/03/09 09:16:39 WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A MOMENT TO
09/03/09 09:16:40 THANK THE PEOPLE THAT PUT US IN
09/03/09 09:16:43 A SITUATION TO DO THIS TYPE OF
09/03/09 09:16:46 WORK ON A DAILY
09/03/09 09:16:46 BASIS.
09/03/09 09:16:49 NOT ONLY MY STAFF, BUT MY
09/03/09 09:16:49 CHIEF
09/03/09 09:16:52 OF COMMAND, SERGEANT PRESTON
09/03/09 09:16:54 FOR MAKING AN ENVIRONMENT
09/03/09 09:16:56 CONDUCIVE FOR MAKING THESE
09/03/09 09:16:59 THINGS HAPPEN ON A DAILY
09/03/09 09:16:59 BASIS.
09/03/09 09:17:02 THEY MAKE IT A POSITIVE PLACE
09/03/09 09:17:02 TO WORK.
09/03/09 09:17:05 THANK YOU
09/03/09 09:17:06 VERY MUCH.
09/03/09 09:17:07 [ APPLAUSE ]
09/03/09 09:17:10 >> MR. CHAIRMAN,
09/03/09 09:17:10 IF I COULD,
09/03/09 09:17:13 DETECTIVE, I READ THAT STORY IN
09/03/09 09:17:15 THE NEWSPAPER, ONE OF THE
09/03/09 09:17:17 REPORTERS DID AN EXCELLENT JOB
09/03/09 09:17:17 OF READING IT.
09/03/09 09:17:20 IT WAS LIKE READING A DETECTIVE
09/03/09 09:17:20 NOVEL.
09/03/09 09:17:22 BUT ESPECIALLY BEING THE SOUTH
09/03/09 09:17:25 TAMPA COUNCILMAN, I WANTED TO
09/03/09 09:17:26 SPECIFICALLY THANK YOU FOR
09/03/09 09:17:29 GETTING HIM OFF THE STREETS AND
09/03/09 09:17:32 REALLY HELPING HIM, BECAUSE HE
09/03/09 09:17:34 SOUNDED LIKE A PITIFUL
09/03/09 09:17:37 CHARACTER WHO NEEDED HELP AND
09/03/09 09:17:40 THAT
09/03/09 09:17:41 WAS HIS DESPERATE,
09/03/09 09:17:41 DESPERATE ACT.
09/03/09 09:17:42 YOU HELPED EVERYBODY AND WE
09/03/09 09:17:42 APPRECIATE IT.
09/03/09 09:17:44 WE WANT TO RECOGNIZE YOUR WIFE
09/03/09 09:17:46 AS WELL, BECAUSE WE KNOW HOW
09/03/09 09:17:49 HARD IT CAN BE TO BE THE SPOUSE
09/03/09 09:17:50 IN THESE SITUATIONS.
09/03/09 09:17:51 THANK YOU SO MUCH.
09/03/09 09:17:54 >> AND BEFORE I LEAVE, I'M A
09/03/09 09:17:56 LITTLE NERVOUS BEING UP HERE.
09/03/09 09:17:57 IT'S MY FIRST TIME.
09/03/09 09:17:58 I DID FORGET TO MENTION MY
09/03/09 09:17:59 WIFE.
09/03/09 09:18:00 SHE DOES MAKE ALL THE
09/03/09 09:18:02 DIFFERENCE IN THE WORLD AND TO
09/03/09 09:18:05 THANK THE SPONSORS FOR THEIR
09/03/09 09:18:05 GENEROUS GIFTS.
09/03/09 09:18:08 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09/03/09 09:18:08 [ APPLAUSE ]
09/03/09 09:18:11 >> THAT'S A SMART
09/03/09 09:18:14 MAN,
09/03/09 09:18:19 THERE.
09/03/09 09:18:20 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09/03/09 09:18:23 AT THIS TIME,
09/03/09 09:18:26 WE ARE
09/03/09 09:18:27 GOING TO
09/03/09 09:18:28 ASK BERNADINE KING TO COME
09/03/09 09:18:28 FORWARD.
09/03/09 09:18:31 SHE IS GOING TO
09/03/09 09:18:34 MAKE A
09/03/09 09:18:35 FIVE
09/03/09 09:18:36 MINUTE PRESENTATION.
09/03/09 09:18:39 MS. KING IS WITH
09/03/09 09:18:41 THE CENSUS
09/03/09 09:18:41 BUREAU.
09/03/09 09:18:44 SHE IS A PARTNERSHIP FIELD
09/03/09 09:18:44 DIVISION.
09/03/09 09:18:47 WE ARE GLAD THAT SHE
09/03/09 09:18:48 CAN SHARE
09/03/09 09:18:48 TO THE CENSUS.
09/03/09 09:18:50 >> THANK YOU SO MUCH
09/03/09 09:18:52 COMMISSIONER SCOTT AND TO THE
09/03/09 09:18:54 REST OF THE MEMBERS OF THE
09/03/09 09:18:54 COUNCIL.
09/03/09 09:18:57 IT IS INDEED A
09/03/09 09:19:00 PLEASURE
09/03/09 09:19:01 AMONG
09/03/09 09:19:01 YOU TODAY.
09/03/09 09:19:03 I'M BERNADINE WHITE KING, AS
09/03/09 09:19:03 YOU SAID.
09/03/09 09:19:06 I'M THE TEAM LEADER FOR THE
09/03/09 09:19:07 WEST FLORIDA PARTNERSHIP TEAM
09/03/09 09:19:10 WITH THE UNITED
09/03/09 09:19:11 STATES CENSUS
09/03/09 09:19:11 BUREAU.
09/03/09 09:19:14 I AM FROM THE GOVERNMENT AND
09/03/09 09:19:15 I'M HERE TO HELP YOU.
09/03/09 09:19:17 THE REASON I LIKE TO START OUT
09/03/09 09:19:20 WITH THAT STATEMENT AND I GET
09/03/09 09:19:21 THAT LITTLE SNICKER IS BECAUSE
09/03/09 09:19:24 I AM FROM THE GOVERNMENT AND I
09/03/09 09:19:26 AM HERE TO HELP YOU.
09/03/09 09:19:29 YES MR. MIRANDA, I AM HERE TO
09/03/09 09:19:29 HELP YOU.
09/03/09 09:19:31 WHEN YOU HEAR THAT STATEMENT
09/03/09 09:19:34 THAT IS BROUGHT BY A
09/03/09 09:19:35 REPRESENTATIVE OF THE UNITED
09/03/09 09:19:36 STATES CENSUS BUREAU, YOU CAN
09/03/09 09:19:38 TAKE IT TO THE BANK AND I DO
09/03/09 09:19:40 BELIEVE IN THIS DAY AND TIME,
09/03/09 09:19:41 WE NEED SOMETHING TO TAKE TO
09/03/09 09:19:43 THE BANK, WHETHER IT IS IN OUR
09/03/09 09:19:45 PERSONAL LIVES, OR WHETHER IT
09/03/09 09:19:47 IS IN OUR PROFESSIONAL LIVES IN
09/03/09 09:19:50 THE CAPACITY THAT YOU
09/03/09 09:19:50 ARE
09/03/09 09:19:52 OPERATING IN TODAY.
09/03/09 09:19:53 THE CENSUS BUREAU STARTED IN
09/03/09 09:19:56 1790 AND IS ACTUALLY MANDATED
09/03/09 09:19:56 BY CONGRESS.
09/03/09 09:19:58 IT IS SIMPLY A POPULATION
09/03/09 09:19:58 COUNT.
09/03/09 09:20:00 IT'S NOTHING BUT A NUMBERS GAME
09/03/09 09:20:03 TO MAKE SURE THAT
09/03/09 09:20:04 EVERY LIVING,
09/03/09 09:20:05 BREATHING PERSON ON U.S. SOIL
09/03/09 09:20:06 IS COUNTED.
09/03/09 09:20:09 THE PRIMARY REASON FOR THE
09/03/09 09:20:11 POPULATION COUNT IS TO
09/03/09 09:20:12 DETERMINE HOW MANY
09/03/09 09:20:14 REPRESENTATIVES WE WILL HAVE IN
09/03/09 09:20:14 CONGRESS.
09/03/09 09:20:17 AND AS YOU KNOW, OUR AREA IS
09/03/09 09:20:19 GROWING BY LEAPS AND BOUNDS AND
09/03/09 09:20:22 THIS IS A PRIME OPPORTUNITY FOR
09/03/09 09:20:24 US TO GET MORE REPRESENTATION
09/03/09 09:20:25 IN CONGRESS, NOT ONLY DOES IT
09/03/09 09:20:28 AFFECT US ON
09/03/09 09:20:31 A NATIONAL LEVEL
09/03/09 09:20:33 WITH REPRESENTATION FROM OUR
09/03/09 09:20:34 CONSTITUENTS, BUT IT ALSO
09/03/09 09:20:37 AFFECTS US ON A LOCAL
09/03/09 09:20:37 LEVEL.
09/03/09 09:20:40 WHETHER IT'S CITY,
09/03/09 09:20:40 COUNTY, OR
09/03/09 09:20:40 STATE.
09/03/09 09:20:42 THE CENSUS BUREAU HAS BEEN
09/03/09 09:20:43 DOING THIS SINCE 1970.
09/03/09 09:20:46 WE HAVE COME A LONG WAY.
09/03/09 09:20:47 WE STARTED ON HORSE BACK AND
09/03/09 09:20:50 MANY OF THE PEOPLE THAT I'M
09/03/09 09:20:51 LOOKING AT TODAY AND ALSO IN
09/03/09 09:20:54 THE AUDIENCE WOULD NOT
09/03/09 09:20:55 HAVE
09/03/09 09:20:56 BEEN COUNTED BECAUSE PRIMARILY
09/03/09 09:20:59 OUR COUNTRY WAS NOT AS DIVERSE
09/03/09 09:21:00 AS IT IS NOW.
09/03/09 09:21:03 AND THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR
09/03/09 09:21:04 EVERYONE TO BE COUNTED.
09/03/09 09:21:07 I LIKE TO SAY THAT THIS IS THE
09/03/09 09:21:10 ONLY TIME, THE ONLY TIME
09/03/09 09:21:12 IN
09/03/09 09:21:13 AMERICA WHEN EVERYBODY IS
09/03/09 09:21:13 EQUAL.
09/03/09 09:21:15 IT DOESN'T MATTER WHETHER YOU
09/03/09 09:21:18 ARE BLACK OR
09/03/09 09:21:20 WHITE OR RICH OR
09/03/09 09:21:22 POOR, EDUCATED OR NOT EDUCATED
09/03/09 09:21:24 OR UNEDUCATED OR WHETHER YOU
09/03/09 09:21:27 ARE A CITIZEN,
09/03/09 09:21:29 BORN IN AMERICA,
09/03/09 09:21:29 OR UNDOCUMENTED.
09/03/09 09:21:30 EVERYBODY COUNTS.
09/03/09 09:21:33 IF YOU WANT TO COUNT, YOU HAVE
09/03/09 09:21:34 TO BE COUNTED.
09/03/09 09:21:37 IT IMPACTS OUR LIVES IN MANY
09/03/09 09:21:40 WAYS THAT WE DON'T EVEN --THAT
09/03/09 09:21:43 WE TAKE FOR
09/03/09 09:21:43 GRANTED.
09/03/09 09:21:44 THE QUESTIONNAIRE THAT I HAVE
09/03/09 09:21:47 INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET,
09/03/09 09:21:50 THERE
09/03/09 09:21:53 ARE TEN SIMPLE QUESTIONS THAT
09/03/09 09:21:54 DOES NOT ASK INVASIVE
09/03/09 09:21:55 QUESTIONS, LIKE YOUR SOCIAL
09/03/09 09:21:57 SECURITY NUMBER, HOW MUCH YOU
09/03/09 09:21:59 MAKE, AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
09/03/09 09:22:01 YOU GIVE MORE INFORMATION ON A
09/03/09 09:22:02 CREDIT CARD APPLICATION TO
09/03/09 09:22:05 PEOPLE YOU DON'T KNOW AND MANY
09/03/09 09:22:06 TIMES IT'S NOT SAFE.
09/03/09 09:22:09 THE CENSUS BUREAU HAS NOT
09/03/09 09:22:10 HAD A
09/03/09 09:22:13 BREECH
09/03/09 09:22:16 OF CONFIDENTIALITY SINCE
09/03/09 09:22:17 1790.
09/03/09 09:22:17 THAT'S HUGE.
09/03/09 09:22:18 IT'S SAFE.
09/03/09 09:22:20 IT'S PROTECTED FOR 72 YEARS.
09/03/09 09:22:22 THERE IS NO WAY THAT I COULD
09/03/09 09:22:23 GET INFORMATION ABOUT YOU OR
09/03/09 09:22:26 YOU ABOUT ME OR
09/03/09 09:22:27 YOU ABOUT EACH
09/03/09 09:22:27 OTHER.
09/03/09 09:22:30 WHEN THE WHITE HOUSE WAS BEING
09/03/09 09:22:32 RENOVATED AND TRUMAN WAS
09/03/09 09:22:35 PRESIDENT, THE CIA AND THE FBI
09/03/09 09:22:37 AND THE SECRET SERVICE STORMED
09/03/09 09:22:40 INTO THE CENSUS BUREAU TO GET
09/03/09 09:22:43 INFORMATION REGARDING WHERE
09/03/09 09:22:45 THEY COULD LOCATE THE
09/03/09 09:22:45 PRESIDENT.
09/03/09 09:22:48 THEY WANTED INFORMATION ON THE
09/03/09 09:22:49 HOUSES, THEY WANTED INFORMATION
09/03/09 09:22:51 ABOUT THE PEOPLE WHO LIVED IN
09/03/09 09:22:54 THE HOUSES WHERE
09/03/09 09:22:55 THEY HAD
09/03/09 09:22:56 LOCATED A RESIDENCE.
09/03/09 09:22:57 I'M HERE TO REPORT TO YOU TODAY
09/03/09 09:22:59 THAT THEY COULD NOT GET THAT
09/03/09 09:23:02 INFORMATION FOR THE PRESIDENT
09/03/09 09:23:02 OF THE UNITED STATES.
09/03/09 09:23:05 THEY TOOK IT FURTHER AND WENT
09/03/09 09:23:06 TO THE SUPREME COURT.
09/03/09 09:23:09 THE SUPREME COURT COULD NOT
09/03/09 09:23:12 MAKE THE CENSUS BUREAU
09/03/09 09:23:12 RELEASE
09/03/09 09:23:13 THAT INFORMATION.
09/03/09 09:23:15 THE INFORMATION IS SAFE.
09/03/09 09:23:18 IT IS PROTECTED FOR 72 YEARS
09/03/09 09:23:19 BY
09/03/09 09:23:21 THE UNITED STATES CONGRESS.
09/03/09 09:23:23 THE APPLICATION IS EASY.
09/03/09 09:23:24 IT IS TEN SIMPLE QUESTIONS THAT
09/03/09 09:23:27 FROM THE TIME YOU TAKE IT
09/03/09 09:23:28 FROM
09/03/09 09:23:30 YOUR MAILBOX AND COMPLETE IT,
09/03/09 09:23:33 IT TAKES LESS
09/03/09 09:23:34 THAN TEN MINUTES.
09/03/09 09:23:36 TO INVEST TEN MINUTES IN TEN
09/03/09 09:23:38 YEARS IS A HUGE RETURN NOT ONLY
09/03/09 09:23:41 FOR YOU, BUT FOR
09/03/09 09:23:44 THE
09/03/09 09:23:45 PEOPLE
09/03/09 09:23:46 THAT YOU REPRESENT.
09/03/09 09:23:49 THE CENSUS BUREAU WANTS TO
09/03/09 09:23:52 PARTNER WITH ALL CITY, COUNTY,
09/03/09 09:23:55 STATE, AND TRIABLE GOVERNMENTS.
09/03/09 09:23:56 WE HAVE ALREADY FORGED A
09/03/09 09:23:59 PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CITY
09/03/09 09:24:00 OF
09/03/09 09:24:02 TAMPA, THE MAYOR ISSUED A
09/03/09 09:24:04 PROCLAMATION, HAD IT POSTED ON
09/03/09 09:24:07 THE WEBSITE AND SHE ALSO
09/03/09 09:24:08 THROUGH CINDY MILLER,
09/03/09 09:24:11 AROININGED FOR ME TO MEET WITH
09/03/09 09:24:12 HER EXECUTIVE TEAM.
09/03/09 09:24:14 THE CITY OF TAMPA IS ON BOARD
09/03/09 09:24:17 AND I AM SO PROUD TO BE
09/03/09 09:24:19 HERE
09/03/09 09:24:21 TODAY TO ACCEPT THE
09/03/09 09:24:24 ACCOMMODATION THAT YOU ARE
09/03/09 09:24:27 AWARDING ON BEHALF OF THE CITY
09/03/09 09:24:27 COUNCIL.
09/03/09 09:24:28 I WOULD GRACIOUSLY ACCEPT IT ON
09/03/09 09:24:31 BEHALF OF THE UNITED
09/03/09 09:24:32 STATES
09/03/09 09:24:35 CENSUS BUREAU AND MR. GEORGE W.
09/03/09 09:24:37 BRANDY WHO IS OUR REGIONAL
09/03/09 09:24:39 COMMISSIONER THAT REPRESENTS
09/03/09 09:24:42 THE STATES OF ALABAMA, GEORGIA,
09/03/09 09:24:42 AND FLORIDA.
09/03/09 09:24:45 I'M FROM THE GOVERNMENT, I'M
09/03/09 09:24:48 HERE TO
09/03/09 09:24:50 HELP YOU.
09/03/09 09:24:51 [ APPLAUSE ]
09/03/09 09:24:53 >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR
09/03/09 09:24:54 YOUR PRESENTATION THIS MORNING
09/03/09 09:24:56 AND ON BEHALF OF TAMPA CITY
09/03/09 09:24:59 COUNCIL, I WOULD LIKE TO
09/03/09 09:24:59 PRESENT THIS ACCOMMODATION,
09/03/09 09:25:02 PRESENTED TO THE UNITED
09/03/09 09:25:03 STATES
09/03/09 09:25:05 CENSUS BUREAU, 2010, WEST
09/03/09 09:25:06 FLORIDA PARTNERSHIP TEAM.
09/03/09 09:25:08 AN ACCURATE SENSE OF COUNT IS
09/03/09 09:25:10 VITAL FOR OUR WELL BEING, BY
09/03/09 09:25:11 HELPING PLANNERS DETERMINED
09/03/09 09:25:14 WHERE TO LOCATE SCHOOLS, DAY
09/03/09 09:25:16 CARE CENTERS, ROADS AND PUBLIC
09/03/09 09:25:16 TRANSPORTATION, HOSPITALS, AND
09/03/09 09:25:19 OTHER FACILITIES AND IS USED TO
09/03/09 09:25:21 MAKE DECISIONS CONCERNING
09/03/09 09:25:24 BUSINESS GROWTH AND HOUSING
09/03/09 09:25:24 NEEDS.
09/03/09 09:25:26 WHERE AS MORE THAN $400 BILLION
09/03/09 09:25:29 PER YEAR IS ALLOCATED TO STATES
09/03/09 09:25:32 AND COMMUNITY BASED ON
09/03/09 09:25:33 CENSUS
09/03/09 09:25:33 DATA.
09/03/09 09:25:35 THIS DATA ENSURES FAIR
09/03/09 09:25:36 CONGRESSIONAL REPRESENTATION BY
09/03/09 09:25:38 DETERMINING HOW MANY SEATS THEY
09/03/09 09:25:40 WILL HAVE IN THE U.S. HOUSE OF
09/03/09 09:25:43 REPRESENTATIVES AS WELL AS
09/03/09 09:25:44 THE
09/03/09 09:25:45 REDISTRICTING OF SUCH
09/03/09 09:25:45 LEGISLATURES.
09/03/09 09:25:47 COUNTY AND CITY COUNCILS AND
09/03/09 09:25:49 VOTING DISTRICTS AND WHEREAS
09/03/09 09:25:50 THE INFORMATION COLLECTED BY
09/03/09 09:25:52 THE CENSUS BUREAU IS PROVIDED
09/03/09 09:25:55 BY LAW, AS PROTECTED BY LAW AND
09/03/09 09:25:58 REMAINS CONFIDENTIAL FOR 72
09/03/09 09:25:58 YEARS.
09/03/09 09:26:00 NOW THAT WILL BE PROCLAIMED
09/03/09 09:26:01 THAT THE TAMPA CITY COUNCIL IS
09/03/09 09:26:04 COMMITTED TO PARTNER WITH THE
09/03/09 09:26:07 UNITED STATES CENSUS BUREAU TO
09/03/09 09:26:10 ENSURE A FULL
09/03/09 09:26:10 AND ACCURATE
09/03/09 09:26:11 COUNT IN 2010.
09/03/09 09:26:13 AND SO ON BEHALF OF THE BOARD,
09/03/09 09:26:15 I WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT YOU
09/03/09 09:26:17 THIS ACCOMMODATION AND MUCH
09/03/09 09:26:20 SUCCESS FOR THE 2010
09/03/09 09:26:21 CENSUS.
09/03/09 09:26:21 THANK YOU, GOD BLESS YOU.
09/03/09 09:26:24 >> GOD BLESS
09/03/09 09:26:24 YOU, TOO.
09/03/09 09:26:26 >> MR. CHAIRMAN.
09/03/09 09:26:28 THANK YOU.
09/03/09 09:26:31 I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT BY
09/03/09 09:26:34 SELECTING YOU TO SERVE IN
09/03/09 09:26:35 THIS
09/03/09 09:26:36 FUNCTION, GOVERNMENT REALLY
09/03/09 09:26:39 DOES PROVE, HAS PROVEN THAT WE
09/03/09 09:26:41 CAN DO THINGS CORRECTLY.
09/03/09 09:26:43 YOUR ENTHUSIASM, YOUR
09/03/09 09:26:44 COMMUNICATION TO THE PUBLIC OF
09/03/09 09:26:46 HOW IMPORTANT THIS IS TO OUR
09/03/09 09:26:49 COMMUNITY IS SO CRITICAL AND
09/03/09 09:26:51 YOU ARE THE PERFECT AMBASSADOR
09/03/09 09:26:53 FOR THE CENSUS IN OUR
09/03/09 09:26:53 COMMUNITY.
09/03/09 09:26:55 SO IT'S SUCH A PLEASURE TO SEE
09/03/09 09:26:57 YOU IN THIS ROLE, TO WELCOME
09/03/09 09:26:58 YOU TO COUNCIL AND ALL SUPPORT
09/03/09 09:27:00 YOU IN SPREADING THE WORD
09/03/09 09:27:00 THROUGH OUR COMMUNITY.
09/03/09 09:27:02 >> I APPRECIATE THAT AND THANK
09/03/09 09:27:05 YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR KIND
09/03/09 09:27:07 REMARKS BY CONSIDER HONOR TO
09/03/09 09:27:08 SERVE MY COMMUNITY IN ANY WAY I
09/03/09 09:27:08 CAN.
09/03/09 09:27:10 >> IT'S A JOY TO SEE YOU THIS
09/03/09 09:27:10 MORNING.
09/03/09 09:27:13 >> THANK YOU SO
09/03/09 09:27:15 MUCH.
09/03/09 09:27:17 >> THANK YOU.
09/03/09 09:27:20 THE REVIEW OF THE APPROVAL OF
09/03/09 09:27:26 THE AGENDA AT
09/03/09 09:27:27 THIS TIME.
09/03/09 09:27:30 WE'LL REVIEW THE ADDENDUM
09/03/09 09:27:30 FIRST.
09/03/09 09:27:30 THANK YOU AGAIN.
09/03/09 09:27:33 >> GOOD MORNING MEMBERS OF
09/03/09 09:27:35 CITY COUNCIL, MR. CHAIRMAN.
09/03/09 09:27:38 BEFORE YOU HAVE THE ADDENDUM
09/03/09 09:27:38 TO
09/03/09 09:27:39 THE AGENDA.
09/03/09 09:27:40 I BELIEVE COUNCIL MEMBER
09/03/09 09:27:43 DINGFELDER MADE A REQUEST TO
09/03/09 09:27:46 HAVE NUMBER FIVE PULLED FOR
09/03/09 09:27:47 DISCUSSION UNDER STAFF REPORTS.
09/03/09 09:27:47 IS THAT CORRECT, SIR?
09/03/09 09:27:48 >> THAT IS CORRECT.
09/03/09 09:27:51 >>
09/03/09 09:27:52 THANK YOU.
09/03/09 09:27:55 ITEM NUMBER 73
09/03/09 09:27:57 IS A MEMORANDUM
09/03/09 09:28:00 FROM ASSISTANT ATTORNEY
09/03/09 09:28:01 REQUESTING THIS ORDINANCE BE
09/03/09 09:28:02 SUBSTITUTED TO HAVE A WAIVER
09/03/09 09:28:05 REQUEST AT THE TIME OF
09/03/09 09:28:05 FIRST
09/03/09 09:28:08 READING AND THAT WILL BE TAKEN
09/03/09 09:28:10 UP AT THAT TIME.
09/03/09 09:28:13 ITEM 82 IS A MEMORANDUM
09/03/09 09:28:14 FROM
09/03/09 09:28:15 THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT RELATING
09/03/09 09:28:18 TO, I
09/03/09 09:28:20 BELIEVE IT'S THE MACARONI
09/03/09 09:28:20 FACTORY.
09/03/09 09:28:22 IT'S NOTED IN YOUR AGENDA, I'M
09/03/09 09:28:23 BRINGING IT TO COUNCIL'S
09/03/09 09:28:25 ATTENTION THAT IT IS THE LEGAL
09/03/09 09:28:25 DEPARTMENT'S RECOMMENDATION
09/03/09 09:28:27 THAT STAFF DO NOT APPEAR TO
09/03/09 09:28:29 PROVIDE THAT STAFF REPORT.
09/03/09 09:28:30 YOU HAVE RECEIVED THAT
09/03/09 09:28:30 MEMORANDUM.
09/03/09 09:28:32 I'M SURE IT WILL BE BROUGHT UP
09/03/09 09:28:35 AT THAT TIME, BUT TO BRING
09/03/09 09:28:36 THAT
09/03/09 09:28:36 TO COUNCIL'S ATTENTION.
09/03/09 09:28:39 LASTLY, ITEM NUMBER 83 IS A
09/03/09 09:28:42 MEMORANDUM FROM STEVE, THE
09/03/09 09:28:44 ADMINISTRATOR OF PUBLIC WORKS.
09/03/09 09:28:47 REQUESTING A 30 DAY EXTENSION
09/03/09 09:28:48 ON COUNCIL'S REQUEST.
09/03/09 09:28:49 AND IF COUNCIL WISHES TO TAKE
09/03/09 09:28:51 THAT UP NOW OR MAKE THE
09/03/09 09:28:53 CONTINUOUS AT THAT TIME, OTHER
09/03/09 09:28:56 THAN THAT, I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY
09/03/09 09:28:59 OTHER
09/03/09 09:29:00 CHANGES TO TODAY'S
09/03/09 09:29:00 AGENDA.
09/03/09 09:29:03 >> I WOULD LIKE TO GO AHEAD
09/03/09 09:29:06 AND CONTINUE ITEM 83, BUT I
09/03/09 09:29:09 WOULD ALSO LIKE
09/03/09 09:29:10 TO AMEND IT
09/03/09 09:29:13 TRAGICALLY ENOUGH TO BROADEN
09/03/09 09:29:15 IT
09/03/09 09:29:18 A LITTLE BIT TO INCLUDE
09/03/09 09:29:19 CORPORATE ROBERTS, POSSIBLY A
09/03/09 09:29:22 SIGN OR SOMETHING AT
09/03/09 09:29:23 THE
09/03/09 09:29:26 LOCATION OF CORPORATE
09/03/09 09:29:27 ROBERTS
09/03/09 09:29:27 AS WELL.
09/03/09 09:29:30 SO ASK TPD AND TRANSPORTATION
09/03/09 09:29:30 TO CONSIDER ALL OF THAT.
09/03/09 09:29:33 >> THAT IS
09/03/09 09:29:35 WITH A 30 DAY
09/03/09 09:29:35 CONTINUANCE?
09/03/09 09:29:35 WHATEVER DAY THE CLERK WOULD --
09/03/09 09:29:36 >> YES.
09/03/09 09:29:39 >>
09/03/09 09:29:40 ARE THERE ANY OTHER
09/03/09 09:29:40 CHANGES?
09/03/09 09:29:43 >> I HAVE A
09/03/09 09:29:44 FEW ITEMS THAT
09/03/09 09:29:47 UNFORTUNATELY I DID NOT HAVE
09/03/09 09:29:50 TIME TO REALLY
09/03/09 09:29:51 REVIEW THIS
09/03/09 09:29:51 BEFORE YESTERDAY.
09/03/09 09:29:54 SO I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM
09/03/09 09:29:57 PUBLIC
09/03/09 09:30:00 WORKS
09/03/09 09:30:02 ON A FEW THINGS.
09/03/09 09:30:05 NUMBER
09/03/09 09:30:11 15, NUMBER 17, AND
09/03/09 09:30:13 NUMBER 18.
09/03/09 09:30:15 BRIEFLY, ALL I WANT TO HEAR IS
09/03/09 09:30:17 KIND OF A BREAK DOWN, BECAUSE
09/03/09 09:30:19 THEY ARE LARGE DOLLAR AMOUNTS
09/03/09 09:30:22 AND I JUST WANT A BETTER
09/03/09 09:30:25 DESCRIPTION OF WHAT WE ARE
09/03/09 09:30:26 PURCHASING, HOW MANY VEHICLES
09/03/09 09:30:29 FOR THOSE AND WHAT
09/03/09 09:30:32 TYPE
09/03/09 09:30:33 OF
09/03/09 09:30:33 VEHICLES THEY ARE.
09/03/09 09:30:36 AND NUMBER 21, I WOULD
09/03/09 09:30:39 LIKE TO
09/03/09 09:30:45 HEAR FROM STAFF ON
09/03/09 09:30:46 WHAT MORE
09/03/09 09:30:46 SPECIFICS ABOUT THIS.
09/03/09 09:30:49 HOW MANY --MY BIG QUESTION IS
09/03/09 09:30:50 HOW MANY STAFF, HOW MANY JOBS
09/03/09 09:30:54 ARE WE TALKING ABOUT
09/03/09 09:30:57 FOR
09/03/09 09:30:57 THAT
09/03/09 09:30:57 AMOUNT OF MONEY?
09/03/09 09:31:00 AND NUMBER 25, WHICH IS
09/03/09 09:31:03 UNDER
09/03/09 09:31:05 MY BUDGET FINANCE COMMITTEE.
09/03/09 09:31:08 WE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT WE
09/03/09 09:31:08 ARE
09/03/09 09:31:10 MOVING $58,000 AROUND AND I
09/03/09 09:31:13 DON'T KNOW FROM WHERE
09/03/09 09:31:15 TO WHERE?
09/03/09 09:31:17 >> I'M SORRY, $58 MILLION.
09/03/09 09:31:20 >> IF COUNCIL WISHES TO HAVE
09/03/09 09:31:20 FURTHER DETAIL --
09/03/09 09:31:23 >> I WANT TO KNOW WHERE
09/03/09 09:31:26 WE
09/03/09 09:31:30 ARE
09/03/09 09:31:31 MOVING THAT MONEY.
09/03/09 09:31:31 AND NUMBER 29.
09/03/09 09:31:34 I MAY NOT NEED TO PULL THAT
09/03/09 09:31:35 IF
09/03/09 09:31:38 I CAN JUST
09/03/09 09:31:39 HEAR FROM ECONOMIC
09/03/09 09:31:39 DEVELOPMENT.
09/03/09 09:31:42 IF WE HAVE ALREADY WITHIN
09/03/09 09:31:44 THE
09/03/09 09:31:45 CRA APPROVED THAT MONEY AND
09/03/09 09:31:48 BEEN APPRISED OF WHAT THE BREAK
09/03/09 09:31:49 DOWN IS.
09/03/09 09:31:50 BECAUSE THERE ARE SEVERAL
09/03/09 09:31:53 DIFFERENT --THERE IS
09/03/09 09:31:54 LAND
09/03/09 09:31:56 ASSEMBLAGE, STREET WATER
09/03/09 09:31:57 IMPROVEMENTS, NEIGHBORHOOD
09/03/09 09:31:57 INFRASTRUCTURE.
09/03/09 09:32:00 I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THAT'S A
09/03/09 09:32:02 LARGE AMOUNT FROM THAT CRA.
09/03/09 09:32:05 IF WE ALREADY HAVE THAT
09/03/09 09:32:06 FROM
09/03/09 09:32:07 THE CRA MEETING, I JUST NEED TO
09/03/09 09:32:08 BE REFERRED TO THAT.
09/03/09 09:32:10 >> THOSE ITEMS WE APPROVED
09/03/09 09:32:10 LAST WEEK.
09/03/09 09:32:11 >> WE DID?
09/03/09 09:32:14 >> OKAY, SO I DON'T NEED TO
09/03/09 09:32:15 PULL THAT.
09/03/09 09:32:18 >>
09/03/09 09:32:18 OKAY.
09/03/09 09:32:19 SO THAT'S IT.
09/03/09 09:32:20 >> OKAY, YES, SIR.
09/03/09 09:32:23 >> I WANT TO ADHERE TO THE
09/03/09 09:32:25 RULES, I'M NOT OBJECTING TO THE
09/03/09 09:32:27 REQUEST, BUT THE RULES OF
09/03/09 09:32:28 PROCEDURE OF THIS COUNCIL ARE
09/03/09 09:32:31 DIFFERENT THAN WHAT
09/03/09 09:32:32 WE ARE
09/03/09 09:32:32 USING TODAY.
09/03/09 09:32:34 LET ME TELL YOU, I DON'T NEED
09/03/09 09:32:37 TO HAVE A DEPARTMENT HEAD
09/03/09 09:32:39 TO
09/03/09 09:32:40 TALK ABOUT DEPARTMENT WORKS.
09/03/09 09:32:42 I CAN EXPLAIN TO WHOEVER WANTS
09/03/09 09:32:43 TO KNOW WHO THEY ARE.
09/03/09 09:32:45 IF YOU WANT A DEPARTMENT HEAD
09/03/09 09:32:47 DOWN, YOU ARE WELCOME TO HAVE
09/03/09 09:32:47 IT.
09/03/09 09:32:49 I CAN TELL YOU THAT THESE
09/03/09 09:32:50 THINGS ARE PRINTED UP.
09/03/09 09:32:53 I CAN CERTAINLY GO AND VERIFY
09/03/09 09:32:55 WHATEVER IS IN ANYONE'S AGENDA
09/03/09 09:32:58 REPORT AND LOOK AT THEM IF I
09/03/09 09:33:00 FIND SOMETHING THAT I THINK IS
09/03/09 09:33:03 NOT TO
09/03/09 09:33:06 THE BEST LIKING OF
09/03/09 09:33:07 MYSELF.
09/03/09 09:33:09 WE OFTEN DO THESE THINGS AND
09/03/09 09:33:12 I'M NOT --I
09/03/09 09:33:14 DON'T GO TO THESE
09/03/09 09:33:17 MEETINGS FOR --THAT YOU PAY A
09/03/09 09:33:18 THOUSAND OR $1500 TO HAVE
09/03/09 09:33:19 SOMEBODY TELL YOU WHAT TO DO
09/03/09 09:33:20 AND HOW TO DO IT.
09/03/09 09:33:23 IF YOU ARE GOING TO
09/03/09 09:33:24 HAVE THESE
09/03/09 09:33:26 RULES AND REGULATIONS, THEN WE
09/03/09 09:33:26 SHOULD FOLLOW THEM.
09/03/09 09:33:28 THE ATTORNEY CAN SPEAK ON THAT
09/03/09 09:33:31 IF HE WISHES, BUT I HAVE A BACK
09/03/09 09:33:34 UP MATERIAL ON ALL
09/03/09 09:33:34 OF THEM.
09/03/09 09:33:35 I READ THESE.
09/03/09 09:33:38 I FIND THEM TO BE WITHIN
09/03/09 09:33:38 THE
09/03/09 09:33:40 GUIDELINES OF THE CITY AND THE
09/03/09 09:33:43 WAY THINGS ARE DONE AND THESE
09/03/09 09:33:44 THINGS CAN BE EXPLAINED.
09/03/09 09:33:45 IF YOU WANTED A DEPARTMENT HEAD
09/03/09 09:33:48 DOWN THERE AND WASTE TIME,
09/03/09 09:33:49 SO
09/03/09 09:33:49 BE IT.
09/03/09 09:33:52 >> THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN.
09/03/09 09:33:54 EACH OF US ARE ELECTED.
09/03/09 09:33:56 EACH OF US HAVE
09/03/09 09:33:57 RESPONSIBILITIES DIRECTLY TO
09/03/09 09:33:58 OUR CONSTITUENTS AND EACH OF US
09/03/09 09:34:00 SHOULD HANDLE OURSELVES IN THE
09/03/09 09:34:03 BEST WAY THAT
09/03/09 09:34:04 FITS OUR
09/03/09 09:34:05 CONSTITUENTS.
09/03/09 09:34:05 >> OKAY.
09/03/09 09:34:08 WELL LET ME HAVE THE ATTORNEY
09/03/09 09:34:11 READ THE RULES
09/03/09 09:34:12 OF PROCEDURE OR
09/03/09 09:34:13 COUNCIL RULES.
09/03/09 09:34:16 >> THANK
09/03/09 09:34:18 YOU.
09/03/09 09:34:21 RULE 7 UNDER GENERAL POLICIES,
09/03/09 09:34:22 LETTER C STATES AN INDIVIDUAL
09/03/09 09:34:24 MEMBER OF CITY COUNCIL WANTING
09/03/09 09:34:27 TO REMOVE AN ITEM FROM THE
09/03/09 09:34:28 COMMITTEE REPORT TO CONSENT
09/03/09 09:34:30 AGENDA SHOULD ATTEMPT TO DO SO
09/03/09 09:34:33 A DAY OR SO BEFORE THE
09/03/09 09:34:36 DAY OF
09/03/09 09:34:39 MEETING BY
09/03/09 09:34:42 NOTIFYING
09/03/09 09:34:43 THE NAMES.
09/03/09 09:34:43 THAT'S THE RULE.
09/03/09 09:34:44 NOW COUNCILWOMAN MULHERN.
09/03/09 09:34:47 >> I USUALLY AM ABLE
09/03/09 09:34:48 TO NOTIFY
09/03/09 09:34:50 AHEAD OF TIME AND I ATTEMPT TO
09/03/09 09:34:52 DO THAT WHEN I CAN.
09/03/09 09:34:55 IN THIS CASE, I WAS VERY
09/03/09 09:34:55 BUSY
09/03/09 09:34:57 DEALING WITH THE OVERALL
09/03/09 09:34:59 BUDGET, WHICH WE JUST GOT
09/03/09 09:34:59 YESTERDAY.
09/03/09 09:35:01 WE ARE HAVING A BUDGET WORKSHOP
09/03/09 09:35:02 AT 1:30 TODAY.
09/03/09 09:35:04 WE HAVE THE BUDGET FOR THE NEXT
09/03/09 09:35:05 FISCAL YEAR, THE LINE ITEMS
09/03/09 09:35:05 YESTERDAY.
09/03/09 09:35:08 SO I DIDN'T HAVE TIME
09/03/09 09:35:09 TO GO
09/03/09 09:35:11 OVER THIS AGENDA.
09/03/09 09:35:11 >> OKAY.
09/03/09 09:35:14 >> I
09/03/09 09:35:17 WOULD LIKE TO ECHO HER
09/03/09 09:35:18 COMMENTS GENERICALLY, BECAUSE
09/03/09 09:35:21 WE HAD THIS CONVERSATION
09/03/09 09:35:22 IN THE
09/03/09 09:35:22 PAST.
09/03/09 09:35:23 IT'S NOT RELATED TO ANY
09/03/09 09:35:25 PARTICULAR PERSON OR ANY
09/03/09 09:35:28 PARTICULAR ISSUE, BUT IT'S
09/03/09 09:35:29 RELATED TO ASKING STAFF
09/03/09 09:35:29 QUESTIONS.
09/03/09 09:35:30 OKAY.
09/03/09 09:35:31 IF WE ARE NOT ABLE TO ASK STAFF
09/03/09 09:35:33 QUESTIONS, WHETHER OR NOT IT'S
09/03/09 09:35:35 ON THE PHONE THE DAY BEFORE OR
09/03/09 09:35:37 A WEEK BEFORE OR BY E-MAIL OR
09/03/09 09:35:40 AT THIS COUNCIL, THEN WE
09/03/09 09:35:42 SHOULDN'T HAVE THIS POSITION.
09/03/09 09:35:44 SO SOMETIMES OUR SCHEDULES ARE
09/03/09 09:35:46 SUCH THAT WE CAN'T DO IT IN
09/03/09 09:35:48 ADVANCE AND WE HAVE TO
09/03/09 09:35:51 ACCOMMODATE EACH OTHER
09/03/09 09:35:51 IN THOSE
09/03/09 09:35:51 SITUATIONS.
09/03/09 09:35:53 THAT'S WHAT MS. MULHERN JUST
09/03/09 09:35:54 EXPLAINED, BECAUSE SHE WAS
09/03/09 09:35:56 WORKING ON BUDGET ISSUES, AND
09/03/09 09:35:57 GOOD FOR HER.
09/03/09 09:35:59 LET'S MOVE FORWARD AND BE
09/03/09 09:36:00 ACCOMMODATING TO EACH OTHER ON
09/03/09 09:36:00 THESE ISSUES.
09/03/09 09:36:03 WE ARE HERE TO ASK THE TOUGH
09/03/09 09:36:04 QUESTIONS TO OUR STAFF MEMBERS,
09/03/09 09:36:06 BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE PUBLIC
09/03/09 09:36:06 EXPECTS.
09/03/09 09:36:08 >> COUNCILMAN, WE NEED TO
09/03/09 09:36:08 MOVE.
09/03/09 09:36:10 >> THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN.
09/03/09 09:36:13 I WANT TO SAY SINCE ALTHOUGH MY
09/03/09 09:36:16 NAME WAS NOT NAMED, I ASK TOUGH
09/03/09 09:36:17 QUESTIONS, I'M NOT AFRAID AND
09/03/09 09:36:19 NOT MARRIED TO ANYONE ON THIS
09/03/09 09:36:20 COUNCIL OR ANYONE IN THIS
09/03/09 09:36:21 ADMINISTRATION.
09/03/09 09:36:22 I CAN TELL YOU, WE HAVE RULES
09/03/09 09:36:24 AND WE SHOULD ABIDE BY THE
09/03/09 09:36:24 RULES.
09/03/09 09:36:27 IF NOT, GET RID OF THE RULES.
09/03/09 09:36:29 I DON'T MIND HAVING THIS
09/03/09 09:36:32 COUNCIL GO ITEM BY ITEM IN
09/03/09 09:36:33 EVERY ONE OF THESE LIKE IT USED
09/03/09 09:36:36 TO BE IN THE PAST IN THE OLDEN
09/03/09 09:36:36 DAYS.
09/03/09 09:36:39 ITEM BY ITEM BY ITEM.
09/03/09 09:36:40 NOT 22 TO 47.
09/03/09 09:36:41 NO, NONE OF THAT STUFF.
09/03/09 09:36:42 SO THAT'S WHAT THIS COUNCIL
09/03/09 09:36:45 WANTS TO DO, I'M ALL FOR IT.
09/03/09 09:36:46 I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THAT,
09/03/09 09:36:47 BECAUSE I FEEL AND I WANT TO
09/03/09 09:36:50 HEAR THAT WE ALL GOT ELECTED
09/03/09 09:36:51 BY
09/03/09 09:36:52 CONSTITUENTS, NO JOKE.
09/03/09 09:36:55 YOU THINK WE GOT ELECTED BY?
09/03/09 09:36:56 SOMEBODY IN MARS?
09/03/09 09:36:58 WE GOT ELECTED TO SERVE AND IF
09/03/09 09:37:01 THIS AGENDA COMES OUT ON MONDAY
09/03/09 09:37:04 AND ON THURSDAY YOU ARE
09/03/09 09:37:04 ILL
09/03/09 09:37:05 PREPARED, SHAME ON YOU.
09/03/09 09:37:07 >> WELL, LET ME ASK A FINAL
09/03/09 09:37:10 WORD ON THIS AND WE WILL VOTE
09/03/09 09:37:10 ON THE AGENDA.
09/03/09 09:37:13 A COUPLE THINGS ARE VERY
09/03/09 09:37:15 IMPORTANT.
09/03/09 09:37:16 WE DO HAVE STRATEGIC PLANNING.
09/03/09 09:37:19 AND SET THE GUIDELINES FOR
09/03/09 09:37:20 PULLING ITEMS.
09/03/09 09:37:22 HOWEVER, WE DID NOTE THERE ARE
09/03/09 09:37:23 CIRCUMSTANCES THAT YOU MAY HAVE
09/03/09 09:37:26 TO COMMENT AT THE LAST MINUTE
09/03/09 09:37:26 LIKE THIS.
09/03/09 09:37:29 THAT IS WHEN YOU CAN'T GET YOUR
09/03/09 09:37:30 ANSWER IN STAFF.
09/03/09 09:37:33 HE COULD NOT GET HIS ANSWER ON
09/03/09 09:37:33 STAFF.
09/03/09 09:37:35 HOPEFULLY HE MADE AN ATTEMPT.
09/03/09 09:37:38 SO THERE ARE SOME EXTENUATING
09/03/09 09:37:39 CIRCUMSTANCES.
09/03/09 09:37:40 HOWEVER, WE GOVERN OURSELVES
09/03/09 09:37:41 ACCORDING TO THE RULES THAT WE
09/03/09 09:37:43 SET FORTH, THAT IS HELPFUL FOR
09/03/09 09:37:46 ALL OF US AND THEN LASTLY, I
09/03/09 09:37:47 WOULD SAY TO COUNCIL MULHERN, I
09/03/09 09:37:48 UNDERSTAND THE SITUATION YOU
09/03/09 09:37:51 ARE IN BECAUSE ALL OF US GOT
09/03/09 09:37:51 THE BUDGET YESTERDAY.
09/03/09 09:37:53 YOU KNOW AT THE LAST MINUTE,
09/03/09 09:37:55 WHICH I THINK WE ARE GOING TO
09/03/09 09:37:56 TALK ABOUT THIS AFTERNOON AND
09/03/09 09:37:57 THAT WHOLE ISSUE IS THE MEMO,
09/03/09 09:38:00 BECAUSE IT IS VERY IMPORTANT
09/03/09 09:38:01 THAT WE DISCUSS THAT.
09/03/09 09:38:04 I WILL SAY THAT WE WILL
09/03/09 09:38:05 ALL
09/03/09 09:38:06 AGREE WITH THIS.
09/03/09 09:38:09 WE WERE ALL ELECTED BY THE
09/03/09 09:38:09 VOTERS.
09/03/09 09:38:12 WE ALL HAVE THE RESPONSIBILITY
09/03/09 09:38:12 TO GET OUR ANSWERS.
09/03/09 09:38:15 I DON'T THINK ANYBODY HERE CAN
09/03/09 09:38:15 RUBBER STAMP ANYTHING.
09/03/09 09:38:17 WE ARE ALL HERE TO ASK TOUGH
09/03/09 09:38:19 QUESTIONS AND SERVE THE PEOPLE
09/03/09 09:38:20 OF THIS COMMUNITY.
09/03/09 09:38:23 WE DO THAT IN OUR OWN UNIQUE
09/03/09 09:38:24 WAY AND FIND COMMON GROUND AND
09/03/09 09:38:27 MOVE FORWARD AND DO THAT IN A
09/03/09 09:38:27 PROFESSIONAL MANNER.
09/03/09 09:38:29 WITH THAT BEING SAID, DO I HAVE
09/03/09 09:38:31 A MOTION TO ADOPT THE AGENDA
09/03/09 09:38:32 FOR THE DAY?
09/03/09 09:38:32 >> MOVED.
09/03/09 09:38:33 >> SECOND.
09/03/09 09:38:36 >> AND THAT
09/03/09 09:38:42 INCLUDES THE
09/03/09 09:38:45 MOTION BY COUNCILMAN DEAN ON
09/03/09 09:38:48 ADDING THE OFFICER ROBERTS
09/03/09 09:38:48 TO
09/03/09 09:38:49 THAT.
09/03/09 09:38:49 OKAY.
09/03/09 09:38:52 THE MOVE IS
09/03/09 09:38:53 SECONDED.
09/03/09 09:38:54 ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.
09/03/09 09:38:54 OPPOSES.
09/03/09 09:38:54 PUBLIC COMMENT?
09/03/09 09:38:56 WE HAVE SET ASIDE ABOUT 30
09/03/09 09:38:59 MINUTES FOR THOSE WHO WISH TO
09/03/09 09:38:59 ADDRESS COUNCIL.
09/03/09 09:39:01 AT THIS TIME ON ITEMS FIRST
09/03/09 09:39:03 THAT ARE ON THE AGENDA FOR
09/03/09 09:39:03 TODAY.
09/03/09 09:39:05 IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO
09/03/09 09:39:07 COUNCIL, RELATIVE TO AN ITEM ON
09/03/09 09:39:09 THE AGENDA FIRST, YOU MAY COME
09/03/09 09:39:10 FORWARD AT THIS TIME.
09/03/09 09:39:13 STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR
09/03/09 09:39:16 THE RECORD
09/03/09 09:39:19 AND
09/03/09 09:39:19 YOU HAVE THREE
09/03/09 09:39:19 MINUTES.
09/03/09 09:39:22 >> MY
09/03/09 09:39:25 NAME IS CLAY DANES.
09/03/09 09:39:27 I LIVE 3780 EAST BAY.
09/03/09 09:39:29 I SENT EACH COUNCIL MEMBER A
09/03/09 09:39:29 LETTER.
09/03/09 09:39:32 AND ALL OF A SUDDEN THAT LETTER
09/03/09 09:39:35 THAT WAS AN ARTICLE BY
09/03/09 09:39:35 THE ST.
09/03/09 09:39:37 PETE TIMES, WHEN IT FIRST
09/03/09 09:39:40 STARTED DOING IT, THEY HAD 600
09/03/09 09:39:42 COMPLAINTS ABOUT LIVE MUSIC IN
09/03/09 09:39:44 ST. PETE AND WHEN IT GOT THE
09/03/09 09:39:46 PROGRAM, IT DROPPED TO 120,
09/03/09 09:39:47 THOSE COMPLAINTS.
09/03/09 09:39:49 THAT'S HOW EFFECTIVE IT IS.
09/03/09 09:39:49 THIS PROGRAM IS INEXPENSIVE.
09/03/09 09:39:51 IT DOESN'T COST ANYTHING AND IT
09/03/09 09:39:52 IS VERY EFFECTIVE.
09/03/09 09:39:54 I JUST HOPE THAT THE CITY
09/03/09 09:39:56 COUNCIL WILL TAKE THIS UP ON
09/03/09 09:39:57 THE CONSIDERATION.
09/03/09 09:39:59 WE NEED THIS PROGRAM REAL BAD
09/03/09 09:40:02 BECAUSE JUST TICKETS ALONE HAS
09/03/09 09:40:05 GOT PAST THAT
09/03/09 09:40:06 STAGE, WHETHER
09/03/09 09:40:06 IT'S AN EPIDEMIC.
09/03/09 09:40:07 THE MUSIC IS SO BAD.
09/03/09 09:40:09 IF YOU DRIVE DOWN TO THE
09/03/09 09:40:11 STATION, YOU WILL SEE THEY HAVE
09/03/09 09:40:12 NO RESPECT FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT.
09/03/09 09:40:14 THEY COME DOWN AND PLAYING
09/03/09 09:40:15 THEIR MUSIC LOUD.
09/03/09 09:40:16 IT'S OUT OF CONTROL.
09/03/09 09:40:17 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09/03/09 09:40:20 >>
09/03/09 09:40:22 THANK YOU MR. DANES.
09/03/09 09:40:25 NEXT
09/03/09 09:40:27 SPEAKER.
09/03/09 09:40:30 >>
09/03/09 09:40:32 MY NAME IS CHARLES.
09/03/09 09:40:34 ROUTE 6320, TAMPA.
09/03/09 09:40:37 MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL, I
09/03/09 09:40:40 HAVE MADE COMPLAINTS TO CITY
09/03/09 09:40:43 CODE ENFORCEMENT ABOUT
09/03/09 09:40:43 REPEATED
09/03/09 09:40:46 VIOLATIONS TO SECTION
09/03/09 09:40:47 27, 129
09/03/09 09:40:48 VEHICLE PARKING.
09/03/09 09:40:50 A NEIGHBOR HAS A PONTOON PARKED
09/03/09 09:40:53 FOR DAYS AT A TIME
09/03/09 09:40:54 IN THE
09/03/09 09:40:57 REGULATIONS, ONLY ALLOWED FOR
09/03/09 09:41:00 24 HOURS AT A TIME.
09/03/09 09:41:01 I CALL AND COMPLAIN AND I'M
09/03/09 09:41:04 TOLD THE NEIGHBOR
09/03/09 09:41:06 IS IN THE
09/03/09 09:41:06 COMPLIANCE.
09/03/09 09:41:09 THE PONTOON IS
09/03/09 09:41:10 REMOVED BEFORE
09/03/09 09:41:11 THE INSPECTOR ARRIVES.
09/03/09 09:41:13 I PRESENTED PICTURES AT THE
09/03/09 09:41:13 LAST MEETING.
09/03/09 09:41:16 I FEEL THAT THE
09/03/09 09:41:18 NEIGHBOR IS
09/03/09 09:41:21 BEING ALLOWED TO CIRCUMVENT THE
09/03/09 09:41:21 CODE.
09/03/09 09:41:23 THE RESPONSE FROM MR. SLATER
09/03/09 09:41:26 DOES NOT ADDRESS
09/03/09 09:41:28 THE LENGTHY
09/03/09 09:41:30 TIMES AT THE NEIGHBOR PARKS THE
09/03/09 09:41:32 PONTOON ON THE PROPERTY.
09/03/09 09:41:35 IT IS NOT
09/03/09 09:41:36 OCCASIONALLY, BUT
09/03/09 09:41:36 REPEATEDLY.
09/03/09 09:41:38 PLEASE DIRECT CODE ENFORCEMENT
09/03/09 09:41:41 TO ENFORCE THE CODE
09/03/09 09:41:43 AND NOT
09/03/09 09:41:44 ALLOW REPEATED VIOLATIONS OF
09/03/09 09:41:46 NEIGHBOR WHO SEEMS TO HAVE
09/03/09 09:41:48 ADVANCED NOTICE OF ALL MY
09/03/09 09:41:48 COMPLAINTS.
09/03/09 09:41:51 TELL ME WHERE I CAN GO TO GET
09/03/09 09:41:54 SOME
09/03/09 09:41:57 JUSTICE FOR THESE
09/03/09 09:41:58 VIOLATIONS.
09/03/09 09:42:00 THANK YOU.
09/03/09 09:42:01 >> COUNCILWOMAN SAUL-SENA.
09/03/09 09:42:02 >> AFTER THIS GENTLEMAN SPOKE
09/03/09 09:42:04 TO US BEFORE, I BELIEVE YOUR
09/03/09 09:42:06 DEPARTMENT DID A FOLLOWUP ON
09/03/09 09:42:06 THIS.
09/03/09 09:42:09 CAN YOU SHARE WITH US WHAT'S
09/03/09 09:42:10 GOING ON?
09/03/09 09:42:13 >> YEAH, WE HAVE BEEN
09/03/09 09:42:15 WORKING
09/03/09 09:42:17 WITH HIM ON THIS ISSUE AND HAVE
09/03/09 09:42:20 HAD NUMEROUS CONVERSATIONS WITH
09/03/09 09:42:21 CODE ENFORCEMENT.
09/03/09 09:42:22 UNFORTUNATELY, WHAT HE
09/03/09 09:42:23 DESCRIBED IS EXACTLY CORRECT.
09/03/09 09:42:25 ABOUT THE TIME CODE ENFORCEMENT
09/03/09 09:42:28 GETS THERE, THE OWNER OF THE
09/03/09 09:42:31 PROPERTY MOVES THE BOAT AND
09/03/09 09:42:32 CURES THE SITUATION.
09/03/09 09:42:35 SO IN SOME SLIPPERY WAY, HE IS
09/03/09 09:42:35 CIRCUMVENTING OUR PROCESS.
09/03/09 09:42:37 I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S
09/03/09 09:42:40 ANYTHING WE CAN DO IT UNDER OUR
09/03/09 09:42:41 PROCESS.
09/03/09 09:42:42 THAT IS WHAT WE ARE IN.
09/03/09 09:42:43 >> THANK YOU.
09/03/09 09:42:45 >> I THINK THIS IS THE FOURTH
09/03/09 09:42:48 TIME THIS GENTLEMAN HAS BEEN
09/03/09 09:42:48 HERE.
09/03/09 09:42:51 CAN WE GET A CHRONOLOGICAL
09/03/09 09:42:52 REPORT FROM CODE ENFORCEMENT ON
09/03/09 09:42:54 WHAT ACTIONS THEY HAVE TAKEN
09/03/09 09:42:57 WITH SPECIFIC DATES AND TIMES
09/03/09 09:43:00 AND COMPLAINTS AND THE
09/03/09 09:43:02 TIMES OF
09/03/09 09:43:02 THOSE COMPLAINTS?
09/03/09 09:43:04 >> I THOUGHT HE DID THAT.
09/03/09 09:43:05 I THOUGHT YOU DID THAT?
09/03/09 09:43:08 >> WE HAVE SORT OF DONE IT,
09/03/09 09:43:10 BUT I DON'T KNOW IF ALL COUNCIL
09/03/09 09:43:11 HAS SEEN IT.
09/03/09 09:43:14 >> I WOULD LIKE TO ADD TO
09/03/09 09:43:14 THAT.
09/03/09 09:43:17 I WOULD LIKE LEGAL TO CONSIDER
09/03/09 09:43:19 THIS SITUATION, WHICH IS WHEN
09/03/09 09:43:20 THEY COME BACK WITH THIS RECORD
09/03/09 09:43:23 TO COME BACK WITH A SUGGESTION.
09/03/09 09:43:26 THE ISSUE BEING THAT
09/03/09 09:43:27 THERE'S A
09/03/09 09:43:28 VIOLATION, THE PROPERTY OWNER
09/03/09 09:43:31 WITH THE VIOLATION SEEMS TO GET
09/03/09 09:43:33 WHEN THE INSPECTER IS COMING,
09/03/09 09:43:35 CAUSES THE VIOLATION TO CEASE.
09/03/09 09:43:37 WHEN THE INSPECTOR SHOWS UP AND
09/03/09 09:43:39 THE VIOLATION IS IN TACT AGAIN.
09/03/09 09:43:41 I KNOW WE HAVE HAD THIS WITH AN
09/03/09 09:43:42 ISSUE WITH SOME PROPERTIES IN
09/03/09 09:43:45 THE PAST AND PERHAPS YOU HAVE A
09/03/09 09:43:47 RECOMMENDATION WHERE CITY
09/03/09 09:43:50 COUNCIL CAN AMEND OUR ORDINANCE
09/03/09 09:43:51 TO SORT OF ADDRESS THIS.
09/03/09 09:43:54 >> THAT CAN COME BACK
09/03/09 09:43:58 AT THE
09/03/09 09:43:58 SAME TIME.
09/03/09 09:43:59 30 DAYS?
09/03/09 09:44:00 >> THAT'S FINE.
09/03/09 09:44:03 >> THE MOVE IS
09/03/09 09:44:03 SECONDED.
09/03/09 09:44:05 SAY AYE.
09/03/09 09:44:06 >> OPPOSE.
09/03/09 09:44:06 OKAY.
09/03/09 09:44:09 >> ANYONE ELSE FROM THE PUBLIC
09/03/09 09:44:12 WISH
09/03/09 09:44:15 TO
09/03/09 09:44:16 ADDRESS COUNCIL TODAY?
09/03/09 09:44:16 ANYONE ELSE?
09/03/09 09:44:19 PUBLIC COMMENT, ANYONE ELSE
09/03/09 09:44:20 WANT TO SPEAK?
09/03/09 09:44:21 YOU MAY COME FORWARD.
09/03/09 09:44:22 >> GOOD MORNING.
09/03/09 09:44:24 MY NAME IS TY.
09/03/09 09:44:27 I RESIDE IN 1402 SOUTH KEENS
09/03/09 09:44:27 AVENUE.
09/03/09 09:44:30 AND I AM HERE TO SEE WHAT CAN
09/03/09 09:44:33 BE DONE ABOUT A SITUATION AT
09/03/09 09:44:33 THE PARK ZOO.
09/03/09 09:44:34 I E-MAILED.
09/03/09 09:44:37 I DON'T KNOW IF HE
09/03/09 09:44:39 GOT IT, BUT
09/03/09 09:44:40 I E-MAILED EVERYBODY THE
09/03/09 09:44:40 SITUATION.
09/03/09 09:44:41 ABOUT SIX YEARS AGO, THE BOARD
09/03/09 09:44:43 DECIDED THEY NEED FOOD IN THE
09/03/09 09:44:44 ZOO THAT THE PUBLIC WOULD WANT
09/03/09 09:44:46 TO EAT BECAUSE THEY DID NOT
09/03/09 09:44:47 LIKE WHAT THEY HAD.
09/03/09 09:44:50 THEY ASKED ME TO COME IN, I
09/03/09 09:44:50 DID.
09/03/09 09:44:51 AND IN THAT TIME, I BUILT A
09/03/09 09:44:54 BUSINESS IN THERE AND
09/03/09 09:44:55 TURNED IN
09/03/09 09:44:58 REVENUES TO $100,000 A YEAR
09/03/09 09:44:59 TO
09/03/09 09:45:00 THE ZOO CASH MONEY.
09/03/09 09:45:02 AND OVER THAT PERIOD OF TIME,
09/03/09 09:45:04 MAYBE WE DID TOO GOOD, BECAUSE
09/03/09 09:45:06 DAVE ZIMMERMAN CREATED A
09/03/09 09:45:09 SITUATION WHERE WHEN HE
09/03/09 09:45:10 WOULD
09/03/09 09:45:12 HAVE YOUR CHRISTMAS ACTIVITIES,
09/03/09 09:45:14 THEY WOULD STOP ALL THE
09/03/09 09:45:15 DECORATIONS ON THE FAR SIDE.
09/03/09 09:45:16 WE ARE ON THE WEST SIDE.
09/03/09 09:45:19 AND WE WERE ALWAYS IN THE DARK.
09/03/09 09:45:22 SO WE TOOK IT ON OURSELVES AND
09/03/09 09:45:23 STARTED DECORATING OURSELVES
09/03/09 09:45:24 WITH OUR OWN MONEY FOR
09/03/09 09:45:26 CHRISTMAS AND NEW YEARS.
09/03/09 09:45:28 AND TWO YEARS AGO, DAVE
09/03/09 09:45:30 ZIMMERMAN SENT SHARYL LARSON
09/03/09 09:45:32 OVER TO TELL ME NO MUSIC, NO
09/03/09 09:45:34 DECORATIONS, NOT EVEN A STICKER
09/03/09 09:45:34 ON THE WINDOW.
09/03/09 09:45:37 SO WE ARE IN THE BLACK DARK
09/03/09 09:45:38 AGAIN OVER THERE.
09/03/09 09:45:39 THE MAN WANTED US OUT.
09/03/09 09:45:40 WE DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO DEAL WITH
09/03/09 09:45:41 THIS.
09/03/09 09:45:43 THERE WAS NOBODY THERE YOU
09/03/09 09:45:46 COULD TALK TO.
09/03/09 09:45:48 AND THREE WEEKS AGO, WE GOT --
09/03/09 09:45:50 I GOT A CALL UP TO COME SEE HIM
09/03/09 09:45:53 AND HE WANTED US 30 DAYS TO GET
09/03/09 09:45:53 OUT.
09/03/09 09:45:54 I SAID WHY?
09/03/09 09:45:57 HE SAID WE ARE GOING TO
09/03/09 09:45:58 TEAR
09/03/09 09:45:58 THE BUILDING DOWN.
09/03/09 09:46:01 I SAID HE IS CUTTING
09/03/09 09:46:02 COSTS.
09/03/09 09:46:03 I SAID I'M NOT AN ASSET.
09/03/09 09:46:06 HOW CAN THAT BE
09/03/09 09:46:07 A COST?
09/03/09 09:46:10 AND HE SAYS, YOU HAVE TO
09/03/09 09:46:11 GET
09/03/09 09:46:11 OUT.
09/03/09 09:46:12 I DON'T UNDERSTAND THIS.
09/03/09 09:46:14 THE ZOO IS CRIPPLED AND HURTING
09/03/09 09:46:15 FOR MONEY ALL THE TIME.
09/03/09 09:46:17 MOST TIME THEY CAN'T PAY THEIR
09/03/09 09:46:18 VENDORS AND CLOSE DOWN STORES
09/03/09 09:46:21 BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE FOOD TO
09/03/09 09:46:21 SELL IN THEM.
09/03/09 09:46:23 MY STORE IS ALWAYS THERE FOR
09/03/09 09:46:23 THE PUBLIC.
09/03/09 09:46:25 ASK ANY PUBLIC PERSON THAT HAS
09/03/09 09:46:26 BEEN THERE.
09/03/09 09:46:27 THEY LOVE OUR FOOD.
09/03/09 09:46:29 IT'S AN ASSET FOR THE CITY AND
09/03/09 09:46:30 I DON'T UNDERSTAND DAVE
09/03/09 09:46:31 ZIMMERMAN'S REASONING IF SAYING
09/03/09 09:46:34 30 DAYS TO GET OUT AND WORST
09/03/09 09:46:36 THAN THAT, HE SAYS THAT IF YOU
09/03/09 09:46:39 DON'T HAVE EVERYTHING OUT, IT
09/03/09 09:46:42 TOOK FIVE YEARS TO GET ALL
09/03/09 09:46:42 THIS
09/03/09 09:46:44 EQUIPMENT IN TO OPERATE AND HE
09/03/09 09:46:46 SAYS 30 DAYS TO GET OUT.
09/03/09 09:46:48 YOU CAN'T MOVE ALL THAT STUFF
09/03/09 09:46:49 IN 30 DAYS.
09/03/09 09:46:50 YOU CAN'T SECURE PEOPLE THAT
09/03/09 09:46:52 CAN MOVE THOSE HEAVY THINGS
09/03/09 09:46:52 THAT QUICK.
09/03/09 09:46:54 SO I DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT IS
09/03/09 09:46:55 GOING ON WITH THAT SITUATION
09/03/09 09:46:57 THERE AT THE ZOO WITH HIM, BUT
09/03/09 09:46:59 IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME AND
09/03/09 09:47:01 THE REASON I'M HERE, I WAS
09/03/09 09:47:04 GOING TO TAKE IT, AND SO
09/03/09 09:47:05 MANY
09/03/09 09:47:06 CUSTOMERS HAVE COME TO ME
09/03/09 09:47:08 ASKING WHAT WAS GOING ON, WHY
09/03/09 09:47:09 ARE WE LEAVING?
09/03/09 09:47:10 THEY HAD A MEETING ABOUT TWO
09/03/09 09:47:13 WEEKS AGO, I WAS ON THE
09/03/09 09:47:13 TROLLLY.
09/03/09 09:47:15 I WAS RUNNING DOWNTOWN TO
09/03/09 09:47:16 AQUARIUM, TRYING TO FIND OUT IF
09/03/09 09:47:17 THERE IS SOMETHING I CAN WORK
09/03/09 09:47:18 OUT WITH THEM.
09/03/09 09:47:20 I GOT THREE PHONE CALLS THAT
09/03/09 09:47:21 EVENING FROM EMPLOYEES OF THE
09/03/09 09:47:21 ZOO.
09/03/09 09:47:23 THEY HAD JUST HAD A MEETING AND
09/03/09 09:47:26 WHAT THEY WERE TOLD IN THAT
09/03/09 09:47:26 MEETING REALLY UPSET ME.
09/03/09 09:47:29 THEY WERE TOLD THAT IF ANY
09/03/09 09:47:30 VISITORS ASK YOU WHY THEY ARE
09/03/09 09:47:32 LEAVING THE ZOO, WHICH IT WAS
09/03/09 09:47:34 ALL OVER THE PLACE, AND THEY
09/03/09 09:47:36 WERE TOLD TO TELL THEM THAT
09/03/09 09:47:38 THEY DID NOT WANT TO RENEW THE
09/03/09 09:47:39 CONTRACT.
09/03/09 09:47:39 THAT WAS A STRAIGHT LIE.
09/03/09 09:47:43 THEY DIDN'T WANT TO
09/03/09 09:47:43 RENEW IT.
09/03/09 09:47:44 DAVE ZIMMERMAN DIDN'T WANT TO.
09/03/09 09:47:46 SO IF THERE'S ANY HELP I CAN
09/03/09 09:47:48 GET FROM THE COUNCIL OR THE
09/03/09 09:47:50 CITY, I WOULD APPRECIATE IT.
09/03/09 09:47:53 OUR BUSINESS HAS ONLY BEEN AN
09/03/09 09:47:54 ASSET AND PAY THE CITY CASH
09/03/09 09:47:56 DOLLARS IN THE LAST THREE TO
09/03/09 09:47:58 FOUR YEARS I HAVE BEEN THERE.
09/03/09 09:47:59 >> OKAY.
09/03/09 09:48:00 THANK YOU, SIR.
09/03/09 09:48:01 WHAT'S YOUR NAME?
09/03/09 09:48:04 >> TYRESE OLSON.
09/03/09 09:48:05 >> COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
09/03/09 09:48:08 >> LET ME SAY THIS, I
09/03/09 09:48:08 HAVE
09/03/09 09:48:09 ALWAYS TAUGHT MYSELF NEVER TO
09/03/09 09:48:11 ACT WITHOUT KNOWING BOTH SIDES
09/03/09 09:48:11 OF THE STORY.
09/03/09 09:48:13 I HAVE ONLY HEARD FROM YOUR
09/03/09 09:48:13 SIDE.
09/03/09 09:48:16 I AM SURE THERE'S ANOTHER SIDE.
09/03/09 09:48:18 WHETHER YOU AGREE WITH IT OR I
09/03/09 09:48:20 AGREE WITH IT, THAT'S AN ISSUE
09/03/09 09:48:21 TO BE DISCUSSED.
09/03/09 09:48:23 SO HAVE YOU SPOKEN TO MR. PEW?
09/03/09 09:48:25 >> I SURE DID.
09/03/09 09:48:28 >> LET ME GO
09/03/09 09:48:29 THROUGH A
09/03/09 09:48:30 CHRONOLOGICAL THING.
09/03/09 09:48:32 ONE THING TO DO HERE, THE CITY
09/03/09 09:48:34 OWNS THE LAND AND IT OWNS THE
09/03/09 09:48:34 ANIMALS.
09/03/09 09:48:35 >> UH-HUH.
09/03/09 09:48:37 >> IT DOES NOT OWN THE
09/03/09 09:48:38 MANAGEMENT OF THE ZOO.
09/03/09 09:48:41 WE DO THINGS THERE IF SOMETHING
09/03/09 09:48:42 IS WRONG IN AN AUDIT.
09/03/09 09:48:45 WE MAKE CORRECTIONS LIKE WHAT
09/03/09 09:48:48 HAPPENED
09/03/09 09:48:49 HERE RECENTLY.
09/03/09 09:48:52 I WOULD IMAGINE THAT THE
09/03/09 09:48:53 ZOOLOGICAL SOCIETY WHICH RUNS
09/03/09 09:48:55 THE ZOO, WE SHOULD MAKE GET A
09/03/09 09:48:58 LETTER FROM THEM EXPLANING
09/03/09 09:48:59 WHAT
09/03/09 09:49:00 HAPPENED AND THAT'S IT.
09/03/09 09:49:01 WHAT YOU SAID IS ON RECORD THAT
09/03/09 09:49:04 I DON'T BELIEVE PART OF WHAT
09/03/09 09:49:04 YOU SAID.
09/03/09 09:49:06 I WILL BE SINCERE WITH YOU
09/03/09 09:49:09 ABOUT THE
09/03/09 09:49:11 ZOO NOT PAYING THEIR
09/03/09 09:49:11 VENDORS.
09/03/09 09:49:13 YOU DID SAY THAT, DIDN'T YOU?
09/03/09 09:49:14 DID YOU SAY THAT OR NOT?
09/03/09 09:49:14 >> YES.
09/03/09 09:49:17 >> OKAY THAT PART I DON'T
09/03/09 09:49:17 BELIEVE.
09/03/09 09:49:19 THEY HAVE 30 DAYS OR 45 DAYS
09/03/09 09:49:20 LIKE ANY OTHER BUSINESS.
09/03/09 09:49:22 AND IF THEY HAVEN'T PAID WITHIN
09/03/09 09:49:25 THAT TIME, THEN YOUR STATEMENT
09/03/09 09:49:25 IS TRUE.
09/03/09 09:49:27 IF THEY PAY WITHIN THAT TIME,
09/03/09 09:49:28 THEN IT'S NOT TRUE.
09/03/09 09:49:31 I DON'T KNOW THAT ACT OR NOT
09/03/09 09:49:31 ACT.
09/03/09 09:49:34 SO I LIKE TO SEE IF WE
09/03/09 09:49:36 CAN GET
09/03/09 09:49:37 SOMEONE OTHER THAN MYSELF, I AM
09/03/09 09:49:39 IN THE BOARD OF THE ZOO.
09/03/09 09:49:40 I'M NOT IN THE EXECUTIVE
09/03/09 09:49:42 COMMITTEE AND I'M NOT IN THE
09/03/09 09:49:43 RUNNING OF THE ZOO.
09/03/09 09:49:45 BUT I WILL ASK FOR A REPORT
09/03/09 09:49:48 FROM THEM AND SEE WHAT I
09/03/09 09:49:48 CAN
09/03/09 09:49:48 DO.
09/03/09 09:49:49 >> OKAY.
09/03/09 09:49:52 >> LET ME GO A STEP FURTHER.
09/03/09 09:49:53 I REALLY LIKE FOR --HE IS
09/03/09 09:49:55 GOING TO GET A REPORT.
09/03/09 09:49:57 WE CAN GET THAT BACK TO
09/03/09 09:49:58 COUNCIL.
09/03/09 09:50:00 I WOULD ALSO LIKE LEGAL TO TAKE
09/03/09 09:50:02 A LOOK AT THIS, IF LEGAL CAN
09/03/09 09:50:03 TAKE A LOOK AT THIS.
09/03/09 09:50:05 I DON'T KNOW WHAT JURISDICTION
09/03/09 09:50:08 WE HAVE, BUT YOU
09/03/09 09:50:09 WANT TO SPEAK
09/03/09 09:50:10 TO THAT?
09/03/09 09:50:13 >> JUST BRIEFLY, THE
09/03/09 09:50:13 CITY HAS
09/03/09 09:50:16 AN OPERATING AGREEMENT WITH THE
09/03/09 09:50:17 ZOOLOGICAL SOCIETY.
09/03/09 09:50:18 THESE BUSINESS DECISIONS WITH
09/03/09 09:50:20 WITHIN THEIR JURISDICTION AND
09/03/09 09:50:21 THIS RELATIONSHIP THAT WAS
09/03/09 09:50:23 DESCRIBED WILL BE GOVERNED BY A
09/03/09 09:50:26 CONTRACT BETWEEN THE VENDOR AND
09/03/09 09:50:26 THE ZOOLOGICAL SOCIETY.
09/03/09 09:50:29 AND WELL CERTAINLY I CAN LOOK
09/03/09 09:50:30 INTO THAT.
09/03/09 09:50:33 WE DON'T AS A CITY, OTHER
09/03/09 09:50:33 THAN
09/03/09 09:50:34 THROUGH OUR CITY AFFILIATE
09/03/09 09:50:36 PEOPLE THAT SIT ON THAT BOARD,
09/03/09 09:50:39 WE DON'T HAVE ANY DIRECT
09/03/09 09:50:42 CONTROL OVER
09/03/09 09:50:45 THE
09/03/09 09:50:46 BUSINESS
09/03/09 09:50:46 DECISIONS.
09/03/09 09:50:48 MR. MIRANDA AND MS. PALACE
09/03/09 09:50:48 WOULD HAVE SOME ABILITY AS
09/03/09 09:50:51 BOARD MEMBERS TO LOOK INTO THIS
09/03/09 09:50:51 ISSUE.
09/03/09 09:50:54 >> TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT, IT
09/03/09 09:50:57 SOUNDS LIKE THIS IS VERY
09/03/09 09:51:00 TIMELY, GIVEN
09/03/09 09:51:02 THE 30 DAYS.
09/03/09 09:51:05 I BELIEVE MR. CARATA
09/03/09 09:51:06 IS ON THE
09/03/09 09:51:06 EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE.
09/03/09 09:51:09 WE HAVE A COUNCIL
09/03/09 09:51:10 MEETING IN
09/03/09 09:51:10 TWO WEEKS.
09/03/09 09:51:12 >> IF WE CAN GET THAT
09/03/09 09:51:15 INFORMATION IN
09/03/09 09:51:16 TIME.
09/03/09 09:51:17 >> GREAT.
09/03/09 09:51:17 THANK YOU.
09/03/09 09:51:20 >> MY WIFE AND I AND OUR
09/03/09 09:51:22 STAFF, IT'S NINE PEOPLE GETTING
09/03/09 09:51:24 PUT OUT OF WORK ALL OF A
09/03/09 09:51:25 SUDDEN.
09/03/09 09:51:28 WE DECIDED THEY CAN HAVE THE
09/03/09 09:51:28 ZOO.
09/03/09 09:51:30 WE WANT TO KNOW WHY AND WE WANT
09/03/09 09:51:32 TIME TO GET OUR EQUIPMENT OUT.
09/03/09 09:51:34 IT DIDN'T GO IN IN 30 DAYS, IT
09/03/09 09:51:37 CAN'T COME OUT IN 30 DAYS.
09/03/09 09:51:37 >> SIR.
09/03/09 09:51:39 >> IT BELONGS TO THE ZOO.
09/03/09 09:51:41 >> THANK YOU.
09/03/09 09:51:43 MR. MIRANDA IS GOING TO ASK FOR
09/03/09 09:51:45 A REPORT AND LOOK INTO IT AND
09/03/09 09:51:47 LEGAL, DO WE NEED TO MAKE A
09/03/09 09:51:47 MOTION?
09/03/09 09:51:49 I WANT LEGAL TO KIND OF LOOK
09/03/09 09:51:52 INTO IT
09/03/09 09:51:53 AS WELL.
09/03/09 09:51:53 ASK SOME QUESTIONS.
09/03/09 09:51:54 I UNDERSTAND --
09/03/09 09:51:56 >> REPORT BACK AT OUR NEXT
09/03/09 09:51:56 COUNCIL MEETING.
09/03/09 09:51:59 >> WE DON'T HAVE ANY REAL
09/03/09 09:52:00 JURISDICTION, WE OWN THE LAND
09/03/09 09:52:02 AND ANIMALS AND OTHER THAN THE
09/03/09 09:52:05 FACT THAT WHEN A PROBLEM GOES
09/03/09 09:52:08 WRONG, WE DO GET
09/03/09 09:52:09 HEAVILY
09/03/09 09:52:10 INVOLVED.
09/03/09 09:52:12 >> I SECOND.
09/03/09 09:52:15 >> MOVED
09/03/09 09:52:17 BY COUNCILWOMAN SAUL-
09/03/09 09:52:17 SENA.
09/03/09 09:52:18 ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
09/03/09 09:52:18 >> AYE.
09/03/09 09:52:20 >> OPPOSES.
09/03/09 09:52:23 >> THANK YOU, SIR.
09/03/09 09:52:25 >> WE ARE STILL IN THE PUBLIC
09/03/09 09:52:25 COMMENT.
09/03/09 09:52:28 >> THERE IS NO COUNCIL
09/03/09 09:52:29 SECTION
09/03/09 09:52:30 NEXT THURSDAY.
09/03/09 09:52:30 IT'S A CRA SESSION.
09/03/09 09:52:33 >> WE CAN BRING
09/03/09 09:52:35 IT UP UNDER
09/03/09 09:52:35 NEW BUSINESS.
09/03/09 09:52:36 >> THANK YOU.
09/03/09 09:52:39 >> WE WILL HAVE TO
09/03/09 09:52:40 PROBABLY --
09/03/09 09:52:43 WE WILL PROBABLY HAVE TO
09/03/09 09:52:44 RECESS
09/03/09 09:52:46 AND THEN PICK UP, RECONVENE THE
09/03/09 09:52:46 CITY COUNCIL.
09/03/09 09:52:49 >> THAT WOULD BE IN EFFECT
09/03/09 09:52:50 SETTING THE CLERK SAYS THAT
09/03/09 09:52:53 WOULD BE A SPECIAL MEETING
09/03/09 09:52:56 TO
09/03/09 09:52:57 TAKE UP THIS ISSUE.
09/03/09 09:52:57 OTHERWISE YOUR NEXT REGULAR
09/03/09 09:52:59 MEETING WOULD BE THE 17th.
09/03/09 09:53:00 >> OKAY.
09/03/09 09:53:02 THE 17th THEN.
09/03/09 09:53:03 >> AT 10:30.
09/03/09 09:53:06 >>
09/03/09 09:53:07 17th THEN.
09/03/09 09:53:07 OKAY.
09/03/09 09:53:07 THANK YOU CLERK.
09/03/09 09:53:07 YES.
09/03/09 09:53:09 >> CHAIRMAN, IN REFERENCE TO
09/03/09 09:53:12 MR. DANIELS SOFT LETTER THAT HE
09/03/09 09:53:14 WANTS US TO CONSTRUCT AND SEND
09/03/09 09:53:17 OUT TO THE PEOPLE VIOLATING THE
09/03/09 09:53:18 NOISE ORDINANCE, ARE WE DOING
09/03/09 09:53:21 SOMETHING ABOUT
09/03/09 09:53:21 THAT?
09/03/09 09:53:23 WHERE IS IT SITTING AT NOW?
09/03/09 09:53:24 >> IT'S ON OUR AGENDA.
09/03/09 09:53:27 >> ANY OTHER PUBLIC
09/03/09 09:53:28 COMMENTS?
09/03/09 09:53:29 >> THANK YOU.
09/03/09 09:53:32 >> HELLO, I'M PETE
09/03/09 09:53:32 FERNANDEZ.
09/03/09 09:53:33 I'M PRESIDENT OF PETE'S TREE
09/03/09 09:53:33 SERVICE.
09/03/09 09:53:36 >> IF YOU COULD
09/03/09 09:53:37 SPEAK INTO THE
09/03/09 09:53:39 MIC AND STATE YOUR NAME ONE
09/03/09 09:53:39 MORE TIME.
09/03/09 09:53:41 FOR COUNCIL, IT IS MY
09/03/09 09:53:43 UNDERSTANDING THAT THE PERSON
09/03/09 09:53:45 WHO IS DOING THE RECORDING DOES
09/03/09 09:53:46 NOT SEE WHO IS SPEAKING, SO
09/03/09 09:53:47 IT'S IMPORTANT IF I DON'T CALL
09/03/09 09:53:50 YOUR NAME TO IDENTIFY
09/03/09 09:53:52 WHO IS
09/03/09 09:53:53 SPEAKING.
09/03/09 09:53:55 IF YOU WANT YOUR NAME IN THE
09/03/09 09:53:56 RECORD, STATE YOUR NAME, OKAY.
09/03/09 09:53:59 >> YES, I'M PETE FERNANDEZ.
09/03/09 09:54:02 I'M PRESIDENT OF
09/03/09 09:54:03 PETE AND RON'S
09/03/09 09:54:05 TREE SERVICE HERE IN FLORIDA.
09/03/09 09:54:08 I WAS HERE TO COMMENT TODAY ON
09/03/09 09:54:11 ITEMS 79
09/03/09 09:54:14 OF YOUR
09/03/09 09:54:16 AGENDA.
09/03/09 09:54:18 THE MANHATTAN BRUSH SITE.
09/03/09 09:54:21 OUR COMPANY
09/03/09 09:54:23 IS A VEGETATIVE
09/03/09 09:54:23 DEBRIS HAULER.
09/03/09 09:54:25 THIS MANHATTAN BRUSH SITE IS A
09/03/09 09:54:27 SITE THAT HAD AN ON GOING
09/03/09 09:54:29 PROBLEM AND I KNOW YOU ARE
09/03/09 09:54:32 GOING TO BE HEARING
09/03/09 09:54:33 FROM STAFF
09/03/09 09:54:35 LATER ON TODAY.
09/03/09 09:54:39 WITH THE STOP PILE MATERIAL AT
09/03/09 09:54:39 THE MANHATTAN SITE.
09/03/09 09:54:41 THAT MATERIAL HAS BEEN BUILDING
09/03/09 09:54:42 FOR A WHILE.
09/03/09 09:54:45 I KNOW THE CITY HAS BEEN
09/03/09 09:54:48 WORKING ON REDUCING
09/03/09 09:54:48 IT.
09/03/09 09:54:49 WE HAVE BEEN TALKING WITH WASTE
09/03/09 09:54:53 TO SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING WE
09/03/09 09:54:56 COULD HELP WITH AND WE'VE
09/03/09 09:54:56 MADE
09/03/09 09:54:58 A NUMBER OF MEETINGS AND HAVE
09/03/09 09:55:01 MET SOME WITH THE DIRECTOR AND
09/03/09 09:55:04 HAVE MET WITH
09/03/09 09:55:05 STAFF THERE.
09/03/09 09:55:07 WE'VE OFFERED SOME SOLUTIONS.
09/03/09 09:55:10 WE HAVE SOME VEHICLES
09/03/09 09:55:10 IN PLACE
09/03/09 09:55:12 THAT WOULD CREATE A GOOD VALUE
09/03/09 09:55:15 FOR THE CITY
09/03/09 09:55:17 TO HAUL THIS
09/03/09 09:55:17 MATERIAL AWAY.
09/03/09 09:55:20 BUT SO FAR, WE HAVEN'T FOUND A
09/03/09 09:55:23 WAY TO, I GUESS, GET THE
09/03/09 09:55:23 PROPER
09/03/09 09:55:26 ATTENTION TO BE ABLE TO HELP ON
09/03/09 09:55:26 IT.
09/03/09 09:55:29 WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO TODAY,
09/03/09 09:55:30 WHEN THIS STAFF, I'M NOT SURE
09/03/09 09:55:31 WHAT THE RECOMMENDATIONS OR
09/03/09 09:55:33 WHAT THE REPORTS ARE GOING TO
09/03/09 09:55:35 BE TODAY FROM THE CITY.
09/03/09 09:55:38 BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO BE HERE
09/03/09 09:55:41 FOR FURTHER COMMENT BASED
09/03/09 09:55:41 ON
09/03/09 09:55:42 STAFF RECOMMENDATION.
09/03/09 09:55:45 WE DO FEEL THAT THEY ARE GOING
09/03/09 09:55:48 TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION WITH
09/03/09 09:55:50 ANOTHER COMPANY WITHOUT ANY
09/03/09 09:55:51 CONSIDERATION FOR OURS AND WANT
09/03/09 09:55:54 TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY WAY WE
09/03/09 09:55:55 CAN BRING THAT BEFORE COUNCIL
09/03/09 09:55:58 AND SEE IF THERE'S AN
09/03/09 09:56:00 OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO EITHER
09/03/09 09:56:02 NEGOTIATE WITH STAFF OR THE
09/03/09 09:56:05 SOLID WASTE DEPARTMENT OR TO BE
09/03/09 09:56:08 ABLE TO TAKE THIS TO
09/03/09 09:56:08 AN OPEN
09/03/09 09:56:09 SCENARIO, SO EVERYONE WOULD
09/03/09 09:56:12 HAVE A
09/03/09 09:56:15 FAIR
09/03/09 09:56:16 CHANCE AT THIS
09/03/09 09:56:16 OPPORTUNITY.
09/03/09 09:56:19 THAT'S WHAT WE ARE HERE FOR.
09/03/09 09:56:22 I ALSO HAVE MY BUSINESS
09/03/09 09:56:24 PARTNER
09/03/09 09:56:27 HERE, RON
09/03/09 09:56:30 WHITE, THAT HAS ALSO
09/03/09 09:56:30 COME.
09/03/09 09:56:33 WE ARE WAITING IT SEE WHAT THE
09/03/09 09:56:36 RECOMMENDATION IS GOING TO BE.
09/03/09 09:56:37 >> ARE YOU FINISHED, SIR?
09/03/09 09:56:40 >> YES, THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR
09/03/09 09:56:41 NOW UNTIL WE FIND OUT WHAT'S
09/03/09 09:56:43 GOING TO BE SAID.
09/03/09 09:56:46 >> CHAIRMAN, THERE'S A THREE
09/03/09 09:56:48 WAY OPERATION ON THIS.
09/03/09 09:56:50 THE CITIZENS WITH THE WATER BID
09/03/09 09:56:53 AND SO FORTH CAN TAKE
09/03/09 09:56:53 THEIR
09/03/09 09:56:56 STUFF TO THE MANHATTAN LANDFILL
09/03/09 09:56:59 AND SEPARATE
09/03/09 09:57:01 IT IN
09/03/09 09:57:03 REFRIGERATORS, STOVES, AND
09/03/09 09:57:04 REGULAR DEBRIS ON ONE SIDE.
09/03/09 09:57:07 THAT IS PICKED UP AND
09/03/09 09:57:10 TRANSFERRED TO THE McCAY, THE
09/03/09 09:57:10 LANDFILL.
09/03/09 09:57:12 AT THAT POINT THEN, THAT
09/03/09 09:57:14 ACCUMULATION IS THERE AND THAT
09/03/09 09:57:17 IS
09/03/09 09:57:19 TRANSFERRED OVER TO THE
09/03/09 09:57:19 FAULKENBURG LANDFILL.
09/03/09 09:57:21 IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING AND
09/03/09 09:57:23 DISCUSSING IT WITH THE
09/03/09 09:57:24 INDIVIDUALS IN THE
09/03/09 09:57:26 ADMINISTRATION WHO DO THIS,
09/03/09 09:57:28 THAT THIS WILL BE BIDDED OUT
09/03/09 09:57:31 MORE LIKELY IN JANUARY FOR THE
09/03/09 09:57:34 WHOLE COMPONENT AND RIGHT
09/03/09 09:57:35 NOW
09/03/09 09:57:37 WE HAVE INDIVIDUALS THAT WORK
09/03/09 09:57:38 IN THE LANDFILL THAT I BELIEVE
09/03/09 09:57:40 BELONG TO THE COMPANY THAT HAS
09/03/09 09:57:42 A CONTRACT NOW.
09/03/09 09:57:45 I'M NOT 100% SURE, BUT WHEN
09/03/09 09:57:45 IT
09/03/09 09:57:47 IS BROUGHT IN, IT IS TAKEN
09/03/09 09:57:50 APART AND PART OF IT, WHATEVER
09/03/09 09:57:51 GOES TO METAL TO METAL,
09/03/09 09:57:54 WHATEVER GOES TO TREE LIMBS
09/03/09 09:57:55 AND
09/03/09 09:57:56 WHATEVER, REFRIGERATORS OR
09/03/09 09:57:58 BATHTUBS OR WHATEVER IS ON ONE
09/03/09 09:57:58 SIDE.
09/03/09 09:58:00 ALL THAT IS ACCUMULATED AND
09/03/09 09:58:02 TAKEN OVER TO THE McCAY AND
09/03/09 09:58:05 FROM McCAY IT
09/03/09 09:58:05 FAULKENBURG.
09/03/09 09:58:06 THAT IS MY UNDERSTANDING WHAT
09/03/09 09:58:08 THE ADMINISTRATION IS GOING TO
09/03/09 09:58:10 SAY, ALTHOUGH I'M NOT 100%
09/03/09 09:58:10 SURE.
09/03/09 09:58:12 WE CAN WAIT UNTIL 10:30 AND
09/03/09 09:58:13 FIND OUT.
09/03/09 09:58:14 >> GOOD.
09/03/09 09:58:17 WHAT WE ARE REALLY INTERESTED
09/03/09 09:58:20 IN AND WHAT THE MAJORITY OF THE
09/03/09 09:58:22 MATERIAL IS, THERE IS THE
09/03/09 09:58:24 VEGETATIVE DEBRIS, WHICH IS
09/03/09 09:58:26 YARD WASTE, TREE LIMBS, AND SO
09/03/09 09:58:26 FORTH.
09/03/09 09:58:27 THAT IS THE MAJORITY OF THE
09/03/09 09:58:28 STOCKPILE THERE.
09/03/09 09:58:30 >> THANK YOU.
09/03/09 09:58:32 >> THANK YOU.
09/03/09 09:58:35 >> ANYONE ELSE?
09/03/09 09:58:36 OKAY, THEN THAT CONCLUDES OUR
09/03/09 09:58:37 PUBLIC COMMENT.
09/03/09 09:58:40 WE ARE MOVED TO OUR
09/03/09 09:58:40 COMMITTEE
09/03/09 09:58:40 REPORTS.
09/03/09 09:58:41 FIRST IS PUBLIC SAFETY
09/03/09 09:58:42 COUNCILWOMAN MILLER.
09/03/09 09:58:45 >>
09/03/09 09:58:46 THANK YOU.
09/03/09 09:58:47 RESOLUTION 3 AND 4.
09/03/09 09:58:47 >> SECOND.
09/03/09 09:58:50 >>
09/03/09 09:58:53 MOVED AND
09/03/09 09:58:58 SECOND.
09/03/09 09:58:58 SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
09/03/09 09:59:01 COUNCILWOMAN
09/03/09 09:59:04 MULHERN.
09/03/09 09:59:05 >> ITEM SIX.
09/03/09 09:59:08 >> MR. CHAIRMAN,
09/03/09 09:59:11 I MOVE
09/03/09 09:59:13 ITEM
09/03/09 09:59:15 NUMBER 6. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY
09/03/09 09:59:15 AYE.
09/03/09 09:59:18 >> AYE.
09/03/09 09:59:21 >> CHARLIE MIRANDA.
09/03/09 09:59:22 >> CHAIRMAN, I WITHHOLD, IF I
09/03/09 09:59:24 REMEMBER, THERE WAS A LOT THAT
09/03/09 09:59:24 WAS PULLED.
09/03/09 09:59:27 I'M GOING TO
09/03/09 09:59:30 SAY IT WAS 15, 17,
09/03/09 09:59:31 18, AND 21.
09/03/09 09:59:34 IF THERE ARE OTHERS, LET ME
09/03/09 09:59:35 KNOW NOW.
09/03/09 09:59:37 AND I MOVE THE REMAINING ITEMS
09/03/09 09:59:39 FROM 7 TO 22.
09/03/09 09:59:42 >> SHE HAS 25.
09/03/09 09:59:44 >> NO, THAT'S SOMEONE ELSE'S.
09/03/09 09:59:46 FROM 22 WITH THE ITEMS THAT I
09/03/09 09:59:47 MENTIONED EXCLUDED OUT OF THAT
09/03/09 09:59:47 GROUP.
09/03/09 09:59:49 >> OKAY, IS THAT SECOND.
09/03/09 09:59:50 >> SECOND.
09/03/09 09:59:53 >>
09/03/09 09:59:54 SECOND BY COUNCILMAN DEAN.
09/03/09 09:59:56 >> ALL WHO FAVOR, SAY AYE.
09/03/09 09:59:59 >> THANK YOU MR.
09/03/09 10:00:01 CHAIRMAN.
09/03/09 10:00:04 I MOVE ITEMS 23 AND
09/03/09 10:00:07 24
09/03/09 10:00:08 AND 26
09/03/09 10:00:08 AND 27.
09/03/09 10:00:10 >> MOVED AND SECOND.
09/03/09 10:00:13 ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
09/03/09 10:00:13 >> AYE.
09/03/09 10:00:14 >> OPPOSES.
09/03/09 10:00:17 >>
09/03/09 10:00:19 BUILDING AND ZONING,
09/03/09 10:00:21 COUNCILMAN CATANA.
09/03/09 10:00:24 >> I
09/03/09 10:00:26 WOULD LIKE TO MOVE ITEMS
09/03/09 10:00:27 48 THROUGH 53.
09/03/09 10:00:28 ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
09/03/09 10:00:30 >> AYE.
09/03/09 10:00:32 >> OPPOSES.
09/03/09 10:00:35 TRANSPORTATION
09/03/09 10:00:37 CO JOHN
09/03/09 10:00:37 DINGFELDER.
09/03/09 10:00:40 >> I DON'T BELIEVE ANY
09/03/09 10:00:42 OF
09/03/09 10:00:42 THESE WERE REMOVED.
09/03/09 10:00:43 ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
09/03/09 10:00:44 >> AYE.
09/03/09 10:00:46 >> OPPOSERS.
09/03/09 10:00:48 ITEM SET FOR PUBLIC HEARING.
09/03/09 10:00:51 >> ITEMS 62 THROUGH 77.
09/03/09 10:00:52 >> SECOND.
09/03/09 10:00:55 >> MOVED AND
09/03/09 10:00:56 SECOND.
09/03/09 10:00:57 SECOND BY COUNCILWOMAN MULHERN.
09/03/09 10:00:58 ALL WHO FAVOR SAY AYE.
09/03/09 10:00:59 >> AYE.
09/03/09 10:01:00 >> OPPOSERS.
09/03/09 10:01:03 >> OKAY, SO MOVE
09/03/09 10:01:05 NOW TO THE
09/03/09 10:01:05 PUBLIC HEARINGS.
09/03/09 10:01:06 SECOND READING.
09/03/09 10:01:07 >> MOVE TO OPEN.
09/03/09 10:01:08 >> SECOND.
09/03/09 10:01:11 >> ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFIED BY
09/03/09 10:01:12 SAYING AYE.
09/03/09 10:01:13 >> OPPOSERS.
09/03/09 10:01:14 IT'S GOING TO BE WITNESSES
09/03/09 10:01:16 TODAY ARE GOING TO BE SPEAKING.
09/03/09 10:01:18 WILL YOU PLEASE STAND AND BE
09/03/09 10:01:19 SWORN SAT THIS TIME.
09/03/09 10:01:20 RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND BE
09/03/09 10:01:23 SWORN IF YOU ARE GOING
09/03/09 10:01:26 TO
09/03/09 10:01:26 BE
09/03/09 10:01:29 ADDRESSING
09/03/09 10:01:31 COUNCIL TODAY.
09/03/09 10:01:34 [
09/03/09 10:01:37 INAUDIBLE ] > ITEM
09/03/09 10:01:40 71.
09/03/09 10:01:41 ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC?
09/03/09 10:01:41 >> MOVE TO CLOSE.
09/03/09 10:01:42 >> SECOND.
09/03/09 10:01:45 >> ALL IN FAVOR SAY
09/03/09 10:01:45 AYE.
09/03/09 10:01:47 >> COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
09/03/09 10:01:50 >> THANK YOU
09/03/09 10:01:51 MR. CHAIRMAN.
09/03/09 10:01:53 FOR ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE
09/03/09 10:01:55 APPROVING A PRESERVATION
09/03/09 10:01:56 PROPERTY TAX EXEMPTION
09/03/09 10:01:59 APPLICATION, RELATIVE TO THE
09/03/09 10:01:59 RESTORATION, OR REHABILITATION
09/03/09 10:02:02 OF CERTAIN PROPERTY
09/03/09 10:02:05 OWNED BY
09/03/09 10:02:05 TERRI L.BRISON AND BROCK.
09/03/09 10:02:08 LOCATED AT 1811 WEST HILLS
09/03/09 10:02:11 AVENUE TAMPA,
09/03/09 10:02:14 FLORIDA, BASED ON
09/03/09 10:02:15 CERTAIN FINDINGS, PROVIDING FOR
09/03/09 10:02:17 APPEAL OF ALL ORDINANCES AND
09/03/09 10:02:19 CONFLICT, PROVIDE AN EFFECTIVE
09/03/09 10:02:20 DATE.
09/03/09 10:02:23 >> SECOND BY
09/03/09 10:02:23 COUNCIL MULHERN.
09/03/09 10:02:26 >>
09/03/09 10:02:29 VOTE AND RECORD,
09/03/09 10:02:33 THANK YOU.
09/03/09 10:02:33 RECORD YOUR VOTE.
09/03/09 10:02:36 7-1.
09/03/09 10:02:40 [ INAUDIBLE ]
09/03/09 10:02:44 >>
09/03/09 10:02:46 ANYONE WITH PUBLIC WANT TO
09/03/09 10:02:48 ADDRESS THE PUBLIC ON ITEM 72?
09/03/09 10:02:51 >> ITEMS 72 THROUGH
09/03/09 10:02:51 75 REQUIRE
09/03/09 10:02:52 THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR.
09/03/09 10:02:54 ALL THE SITE PLANS HAVE BEEN
09/03/09 10:02:55 CERTIFIED WITH ALL CHANGES MADE
09/03/09 10:02:58 AND HAVE BEEN GIVEN TO THE
09/03/09 10:02:59 CLERK.
09/03/09 10:03:00 >> OKAY.
09/03/09 10:03:01 THANK YOU.
09/03/09 10:03:02 ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC?
09/03/09 10:03:02 MOTION TO CLOSE.
09/03/09 10:03:05 >> MOTION CLOSE.
09/03/09 10:03:06 >> SECOND.
09/03/09 10:03:08 >> AYE.
09/03/09 10:03:09 >> COUNCIL MULHERN, 72.
09/03/09 10:03:10 >> THANK YOU.
09/03/09 10:03:14 DO I HAVE TO READ
09/03/09 10:03:16 THE
09/03/09 10:03:16 ORDINANCE?
09/03/09 10:03:16 >> OKAY.
09/03/09 10:03:18 ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR
09/03/09 10:03:19 SECOND READING AND ADOPTION.
09/03/09 10:03:21 AN ORDINANCE APPROVING A
09/03/09 10:03:22 SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR
09/03/09 10:03:23 ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SALES AND
09/03/09 10:03:25 MAKING LAWFUL THE SALE OF
09/03/09 10:03:27 BEVERAGES CONTAINING ALCOHOL OF
09/03/09 10:03:29 MORE THAN 1% BY WEIGHT, NOT
09/03/09 10:03:32 MORE THAN 14% BY WEIGHT,
09/03/09 10:03:33 WINES
09/03/09 10:03:34 REGARDLESS OF ALCOHOLIC
09/03/09 10:03:36 CONTENT, BEER, IN SEALED
09/03/09 10:03:37 CONTAINERS FOR CONSUMPTION OFF
09/03/09 10:03:40 PREMISE ONLY AT OR FROM THAT
09/03/09 10:03:42 CERTAIN LOT PLOT OR LAND LOCATE
09/03/09 10:03:44 ADD THE 4941 EAST BUSH
09/03/09 10:03:46 BOULEVARD TAMPA, FLORIDA, MORE
09/03/09 10:03:47 PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN
09/03/09 10:03:49 SECTION 2 HERE OF PROVING
09/03/09 10:03:51 WAIVERS SET FORTH HERE IN
09/03/09 10:03:53 PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF ALL
09/03/09 10:03:54 ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT.
09/03/09 10:03:57 >> MOVED
09/03/09 10:04:00 AND
09/03/09 10:04:03 SECONDED
09/03/09 10:04:03 BY
09/03/09 10:04:03 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
09/03/09 10:04:06 >> MOTION WAS CARRIED.
09/03/09 10:04:07 >> ITEM 73.
09/03/09 10:04:10 ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC WISH
09/03/09 10:04:15 TO
09/03/09 10:04:16 ADDRESS COUNCIL?
09/03/09 10:04:17 COME ON DOWN.
09/03/09 10:04:20 >> GOOD MORNING
09/03/09 10:04:21 MR. CHAIRMAN,
09/03/09 10:04:23 MEMBERS OF COUNCIL.
09/03/09 10:04:26 I'M REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT
09/03/09 10:04:27 JACOB M. BUCK MAN.
09/03/09 10:04:29 AT THE FIRST READING, THERE'S
09/03/09 10:04:30 CONCERN BY CITY COUNCIL
09/03/09 10:04:33 RELATING TO THE LOCATION OF THE
09/03/09 10:04:36 DRIVEWAY, WHICH WAS OBJECTED TO
09/03/09 10:04:36 BY CITY COUNCIL.
09/03/09 10:04:37 HERE AGAIN, MR. MIRANDA, YOU
09/03/09 10:04:39 EXPRESSED THE MOST CONCERN IN
09/03/09 10:04:42 SUBSEQUENT TO THE FIRST
09/03/09 10:04:43 READING, WE RESOLVED THAT WITH
09/03/09 10:04:44 TRANSPORTATION, RECEIVED A
09/03/09 10:04:45 VARIANCE AND I HAVE A COPY OF
09/03/09 10:04:46 THAT.
09/03/09 10:04:47 IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER
09/03/09 10:04:50 QUESTIONS, I WOULD LIKE TO
09/03/09 10:04:52 RECEIVE AND FILE THE VARIANCE
09/03/09 10:04:53 APPLICATION.
09/03/09 10:04:53 THANK YOU.
09/03/09 10:04:55 >> ANY QUESTIONS?
09/03/09 10:04:55 ANYONE ELSE FROM THE PUBLIC?
09/03/09 10:04:58 >> I'LL TAKE THAT, MOTION TO
09/03/09 10:04:58 CLOSE?
09/03/09 10:05:01 >> ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
09/03/09 10:05:03 >> THANK YOU.
09/03/09 10:05:06 MOVE AN ORDINANCE PREPARED FOR
09/03/09 10:05:09 SECOND READING WAIVER REQUESTED
09/03/09 10:05:12 IN HAND FOR BEVERAGE
09/03/09 10:05:13 SALES,
09/03/09 10:05:16 SMALL VENUE TO SELL BEER, WINE,
09/03/09 10:05:16 AND LIQUOR.
09/03/09 10:05:18 FOR CONSUMPTION ON PREMISE ONLY
09/03/09 10:05:21 AT OR FROM THAT LOT, CERTAIN
09/03/09 10:05:24 PLOT OF LAND LOCATED AT 223
09/03/09 10:05:25 SOUTH 12th STREET TAMPA,
09/03/09 10:05:25 FLORIDA.
09/03/09 10:05:27 AS MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED
09/03/09 10:05:30 IN SECTIONS 2 THEREOF APPROVING
09/03/09 10:05:31 WAIVERS SET FORTH HEREIN
09/03/09 10:05:33 PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF ALL
09/03/09 10:05:34 ORDINANCES AND CONFLICT,
09/03/09 10:05:35 PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
09/03/09 10:05:37 >> MR. CHAIRMAN, THAT WAS
09/03/09 10:05:38 MOVING THE ORDINANCE?
09/03/09 10:05:41 >> YES, SUBSTITUTE
09/03/09 10:05:43 ORDINANCE.
09/03/09 10:05:44 THAT'S RIGHT.
09/03/09 10:05:45 RECORD YOUR VOTE, PLEASE.
09/03/09 10:05:48 >> THAT WAS SECOND
09/03/09 10:05:49 BY MULHERN.
09/03/09 10:05:51 >> OKAY.
09/03/09 10:05:54 SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MULHERN.
09/03/09 10:05:57 >> MOTION
09/03/09 10:05:59 CARRIED.
09/03/09 10:06:00 >> ITEM 74.
09/03/09 10:06:03 >> MOVE TO CLOSE.
09/03/09 10:06:04 >> SECOND.
09/03/09 10:06:07 >>
09/03/09 10:06:08 MOVED AND SECONDED.
09/03/09 10:06:09 COUNCILWOMAN MILLER.
09/03/09 10:06:12 >> THANK YOU MR.
09/03/09 10:06:14 CHAIRMAN, I
09/03/09 10:06:14 MOVE TO ADOPT.
09/03/09 10:06:16 AN RECORD YINS TO USE A SPECIAL
09/03/09 10:06:19 PERMIT FOR ALCOHOL AND BEVERAGE
09/03/09 10:06:22 SALES, SMALL VENUE CONTAIN THE
09/03/09 10:06:24 ALCOHOL REGARDLESS OF ALCOHOLIC
09/03/09 10:06:26 CONTENT, BEER ONE AND LIQUOR.
09/03/09 10:06:29 FOR CONSUMPTION OF PREMISE AND
09/03/09 10:06:32 IN SEALED CONTAINERS ON
09/03/09 10:06:33 THAT
09/03/09 10:06:36 CERTAIN LOT, TRACK OF
09/03/09 10:06:37 LAND
09/03/09 10:06:39 LOCATED IN TAMPA, FLORIDA, MORE
09/03/09 10:06:41 PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN
09/03/09 10:06:44 SECTION 2 HERE OF,
09/03/09 10:06:46 PROVING FOR
09/03/09 10:06:47 REPEAL OF AN EFFECTIVE DAY.
09/03/09 10:06:50 >>
09/03/09 10:06:53 SECOND BY COUNCILMAN CAETANO
09/03/09 10:06:59 . RECORD YOUR VOTE.
09/03/09 10:07:06 >> QUESTION CARRIED.
09/03/09 10:07:09 >> ITEM 75, ANYONE FROM THE
09/03/09 10:07:10 PUBLIC WISH TO ADDRESS COUNCIL?
09/03/09 10:07:12 >> MOVE TO CLOSE.
09/03/09 10:07:15 >> ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
09/03/09 10:07:17 >> PRESENTED FOR SECOND
09/03/09 10:07:20 READING AND ADOPTION AND AN
09/03/09 10:07:23 ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY IN
09/03/09 10:07:24 1919 SWAN AVENUE AT 606 SOUTH
09/03/09 10:07:26 MELVILLE AVENUE IN THE CITY OF
09/03/09 10:07:28 TAMPA, FLORIDA, AND DESCRIBED
09/03/09 10:07:31 IN SECTION ONE FROM ZONING
09/03/09 10:07:33 DISTRICT CLASSIFICATIONS, PD,
09/03/09 10:07:34 PLANNED DEVELOPMENT,
09/03/09 10:07:34 RESIDENTIAL.
09/03/09 10:07:35 MULTIFAMILY TO PD, PLANNED
09/03/09 10:07:38 DEVELOPMENT OFFICE, MEDICAL,
09/03/09 10:07:39 PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
09/03/09 10:07:42 >> MOVED AND SECOND
09/03/09 10:07:48 BY
09/03/09 10:07:49 COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
09/03/09 10:07:49 RECORD YOUR VOTE.
09/03/09 10:07:51 >> WAIT A MINUTE.
09/03/09 10:07:53 >> QUESTION CARRIED
09/03/09 10:07:54 UNANIMOUSLY.
09/03/09 10:07:57 >> AND MOVED
09/03/09 10:07:59 TO 10:00 PUBLIC
09/03/09 10:07:59 HEARING.
09/03/09 10:08:00 ITEM 76, MOTION TO OPEN.
09/03/09 10:08:02 >> THAT'S A CONTINUED PUBLIC
09/03/09 10:08:02 HEARING.
09/03/09 10:08:03 >> OKAY.
09/03/09 10:08:06 >> AND A REMINDER THEN THAT
09/03/09 10:08:09 THIS NEEDS TO BE
09/03/09 10:08:10 ADOPTED DURING
09/03/09 10:08:10 THE PUBLIC HEARING AND
09/03/09 10:08:12 FOLLOWING THAT THE MOTION TO
09/03/09 10:08:13 CLOSE.
09/03/09 10:08:16 >> ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC WISH
09/03/09 10:08:17 TO ADDRESS COUNCIL ON ITEM
09/03/09 10:08:18 NUMBER 76?
09/03/09 10:08:19 >> MOVE TO RESOLUTION.
09/03/09 10:08:20 >> SECOND.
09/03/09 10:08:23 ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY
09/03/09 10:08:23 SAYING
09/03/09 10:08:24 AYE.
09/03/09 10:08:24 > AYE.
09/03/09 10:08:25 >> MOVE TO CLOSE.
09/03/09 10:08:26 >> SECOND.
09/03/09 10:08:29 >> ALL IN FAVOR BY
09/03/09 10:08:30 SAYING AYE.
09/03/09 10:08:31 >> AYE.
09/03/09 10:08:33 >> ALL RIGHT.
09/03/09 10:08:36 NOW MOVE NOW TO
09/03/09 10:08:39 ITEM 77 THROUGH
09/03/09 10:08:39 78.
09/03/09 10:08:40 77 HAS BEEN CONTINUED.
09/03/09 10:08:43 >>
09/03/09 10:08:46 I
09/03/09 10:08:48 BELIEVE MR. GRANDOLPH IS
09/03/09 10:08:48 REPRESENTING.
09/03/09 10:08:51 >> MY
09/03/09 10:08:54 NAME IS JOHN GRANDOLPH,
09/03/09 10:08:57 BANK OF AMERICA PLAZA.
09/03/09 10:09:00 THIS APPLICATION IS A
09/03/09 10:09:00 PARTITION
09/03/09 10:09:01 TO RELOCATE THE PARTITION.
09/03/09 10:09:03 YOU HAVE CONTINUED THE REZONING
09/03/09 10:09:05 TO OCTOBER 1. I ASK IF YOU
09/03/09 10:09:07 WOULD CONTINUE THIS ITEM TO THE
09/03/09 10:09:09 SAME HEARING DATE OCTOBER 1 AND
09/03/09 10:09:11 WE CAN BRING THEM ALL TOGETHER.
09/03/09 10:09:12 I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY
09/03/09 10:09:13 OBJECTION IN THE CITY ATTORNEY
09/03/09 10:09:15 OFFICE AND WE ARE WORKING ON
09/03/09 10:09:16 THE FINAL DETAILS OF THE
09/03/09 10:09:17 ORDINANCE.
09/03/09 10:09:19 >> WHAT TIME WAS IT SET FOR ON
09/03/09 10:09:20 OCTOBER 1?
09/03/09 10:09:22 >> I THINK 10:00 A.M.
09/03/09 10:09:23 I THINK THE REZONING WAS 10:00
09/03/09 10:09:23 A.M.
09/03/09 10:09:24 >> OKAY.
09/03/09 10:09:27 >> MOVE TO CONTINUE TO OCTOBER
09/03/09 10:09:27 1.
09/03/09 10:09:30 >> ANYONE WANT TO SPEAK
09/03/09 10:09:33 TO THE
09/03/09 10:09:36 CONTINUE ANCE?
09/03/09 10:09:39 ALL IN FAVOR
09/03/09 10:09:43 AYE.
09/03/09 10:09:43 >> OPPOSERS.
09/03/09 10:09:46 ITEM EM 78.
09/03/09 10:09:47 CONTINUE PUBLIC HEARING.
09/03/09 10:09:49 >> REBECCA, LEGAL DEPARTMENT,
09/03/09 10:09:50 I BELIEVE THE ZONING
09/03/09 10:09:52 ADMINISTRATOR IS ON HER WAY
09/03/09 10:09:53 OVER TO ADDRESS NUMBER 78.
09/03/09 10:09:55 WE CAN HOLD THAT UNTIL SHE GETS
09/03/09 10:09:55 HERE.
09/03/09 10:09:58 >> OKAY, THEY
09/03/09 10:10:00 ARE ON THEIR WAY
09/03/09 10:10:00 OVER?
09/03/09 10:10:03 >> HOW LONG IS ON THE WAY
09/03/09 10:10:04 OVER?
09/03/09 10:10:07 >> I WOULD ADVISE SHE
09/03/09 10:10:08 SHOULD
09/03/09 10:10:08 BE HERE WITHIN SECONDS.
09/03/09 10:10:10 >> GOING THROUGH SECURITY
09/03/09 10:10:10 RIGHT NOW.
09/03/09 10:10:13 >> AND I
09/03/09 10:10:15 WILL SUGGEST AS WELL,
09/03/09 10:10:18 OUR 10:30 ITEMS, WE CAN'T TAKE
09/03/09 10:10:19 THEM UP EARLY, CAN WE?
09/03/09 10:10:22 >> THE ITEMS ON THE CONSENT
09/03/09 10:10:24 DOCUMENT, THEY WERE NOT REALLY
09/03/09 10:10:26 NOTICED, SO IF STAFF WISHES TO
09/03/09 10:10:29 COME TO ADDRESS THE ITEMS THAT
09/03/09 10:10:30 WERE PULLED FROM THE CONSENT
09/03/09 10:10:30 DOCUMENT.
09/03/09 10:10:33 >> GENERALLY WE TAKE THOSE UP
09/03/09 10:10:33 AFTER.
09/03/09 10:10:34 WE CAN TAKE SOME NOW.
09/03/09 10:10:36 >> ESPECIALLY THE ONES THAT
09/03/09 10:10:37 WERE JUST PULLED.
09/03/09 10:10:38 REALLY, THERE IS NO EXPECTATION
09/03/09 10:10:40 OF THE PUBLIC THAT THOSE WOULD
09/03/09 10:10:41 BE AT 10:30.
09/03/09 10:10:43 >> SO IF STAFF WOULD COME OVER
09/03/09 10:10:45 ON ALL THE ITEMS THAT HAVE BEEN
09/03/09 10:10:48 PULLED, WE ARE AHEAD OF
09/03/09 10:10:49 OUR
09/03/09 10:10:50 SCHEDULE TODAY, THANK GOODNESS.
09/03/09 10:10:51 >> MR. CHAIRMAN.
09/03/09 10:10:52 >> YES.
09/03/09 10:10:55 >> WE ALL RECEIVED
09/03/09 10:10:57 A COPY FROM
09/03/09 10:10:59 MR. FLETCHER OF THE NONPROFIT
09/03/09 10:10:59 ETHICS ORDINANCE.
09/03/09 10:11:02 I DIDN'T SEE IT ON OUR AGENDA,
09/03/09 10:11:05 BUT I WONDERED IF WE COULD ASK
09/03/09 10:11:08 HIM SOME
09/03/09 10:11:11 QUESTIONS ABOUT
09/03/09 10:11:11 IT.
09/03/09 10:11:12 > HE'S NOT HERE.
09/03/09 10:11:15 MAYBE YOU WILL ADD IT ON OUR
09/03/09 10:11:15 NEXT AGENDA.
09/03/09 10:11:16 THAT'S WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST.
09/03/09 10:11:18 >> THEY AREN'T MOVING FAST
09/03/09 10:11:19 WITH IT.
09/03/09 10:11:19 >> OKAY.
09/03/09 10:11:22 >> LET'S TAKE UP NEW BUSINESS,
09/03/09 10:11:23 SINCE WE HAVE SOME TIME.
09/03/09 10:11:24 >> THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO
09/03/09 10:11:24 SUGGEST.
09/03/09 10:11:27 >> THERE SHE IS.
09/03/09 10:11:28 >> I APOLOGIZE.
09/03/09 10:11:31 WOULD YOU LIKE
09/03/09 10:11:32 ME TO GO NOW?
09/03/09 10:11:34 IF I COULD --
09/03/09 10:11:36 >> I WON'T VIOLATE YOU IN
09/03/09 10:11:37 CONTEMPT OF COURT TODAY.
09/03/09 10:11:38 >> THANK YOU.
09/03/09 10:11:40 THE REMAINING ITEM THAT WAS
09/03/09 10:11:42 CONTINUED WAS FOR CAFE LYNN.
09/03/09 10:11:45 AS OF THIS MORNING, THEY HAVE
09/03/09 10:11:47 NOT COME IN TO COMPLY,
09/03/09 10:11:47 BASICALLY.
09/03/09 10:11:50 SO I DON'T KNOW IF THEY ARE
09/03/09 10:11:53 PRESENT IN THE AUDIENCE.
09/03/09 10:11:55 >> COUNCIL, I THINK YOU
09/03/09 10:11:56 DIRECTED HER AT THE LAST
09/03/09 10:11:58 MEETING TO GIVE TWO WEEKS,
09/03/09 10:12:00 DIRECTED HER TO COME IN, FILE
09/03/09 10:12:02 THE NECESSARY PAPERWORK AND SHE
09/03/09 10:12:02 HAS NOT DONE SO.
09/03/09 10:12:04 >> SHE WAS AT THE LAST
09/03/09 10:12:04 MEETING, THOUGH.
09/03/09 10:12:05 >> SHE WAS.
09/03/09 10:12:07 SHE WAS AT THE PODIUM AND YOU
09/03/09 10:12:08 DIRECTED HER.
09/03/09 10:12:10 >> SHE REQUESTED TWO WEEKS.
09/03/09 10:12:10 >> CORRECT.
09/03/09 10:12:12 SHE HAS NOT COME IN TO
09/03/09 10:12:12 COMPLIANCE.
09/03/09 10:12:15 SO WE WOULD BE
09/03/09 10:12:16 RECOMMENDING THE
09/03/09 10:12:16 30 DAYS.
09/03/09 10:12:19 NOT THAT I'M AWARE
09/03/09 10:12:20 OF, NO.
09/03/09 10:12:21 > COUNCILWOMAN MULHERN.
09/03/09 10:12:24 >> I SUGGEST
09/03/09 10:12:27 WE
09/03/09 10:12:28 GIVE HER UNTIL
09/03/09 10:12:31 THE END OF THE MEETING TO SEE
09/03/09 10:12:32 IF SHE SHOWS UP.
09/03/09 10:12:35 I DON'T KNOW IF
09/03/09 10:12:37 WE GAVE HER A
09/03/09 10:12:37 TIME.
09/03/09 10:12:40 >> IT'S A 10:00
09/03/09 10:12:40 ITEM.
09/03/09 10:12:42 I AM OPEN TO WHATEVER YOU WANT
09/03/09 10:12:42 TO DO.
09/03/09 10:12:45 >> I WOULDN'T
09/03/09 10:12:47 MIND DOING THAT.
09/03/09 10:12:49 >> COUNCIL MAN DINGFELDER.
09/03/09 10:12:52 >> THERE WAS
09/03/09 10:12:54 OBVIOUS
09/03/09 10:12:55 COMMUNICATION ISSUES WITH HER
09/03/09 10:12:58 AND ENGLISH WAS NOT HER FIRST
09/03/09 10:12:58 LANGUAGE.
09/03/09 10:13:01 SO WHY DON'T WE CONTINUE THIS
09/03/09 10:13:02 FOR TWO WEEKS, MAKE OUR BEST
09/03/09 10:13:04 EFFORTS TO DROP HER A NOTE OR
09/03/09 10:13:06 GIVE HER A CALL AND GET HER
09/03/09 10:13:07 HERE TWO WEEKS FROM NOW.
09/03/09 10:13:08 >> SECOND.
09/03/09 10:13:10 >> I'LL MAKE SURE THE STAFF
09/03/09 10:13:11 TRIES TO GIVE HER A PHONE CALL.
09/03/09 10:13:14 >> OKAY, MOVED AND
09/03/09 10:13:15 SECOND.
09/03/09 10:13:17 MOTION WAS MADE BY COUNCILMAN
09/03/09 10:13:18 DINGFELDER FOR TWO WEEKS.
09/03/09 10:13:19 THE STAFF IS IN THE PROCESS TO
09/03/09 10:13:21 MAKE A CALL TO THE PERSON.
09/03/09 10:13:22 >> 10:00 A.M.
09/03/09 10:13:25 >>
09/03/09 10:13:27 10:00 A.M., RIGHT.
09/03/09 10:13:27 SECONDED.
09/03/09 10:13:29 ALL IN FAVOR OF SAYING AYE.
09/03/09 10:13:30 >> AYE.
09/03/09 10:13:31 >> OPPOSERS.
09/03/09 10:13:33 >> I DON'T SEE ANY STAFF HERE.
09/03/09 10:13:34 >> DID YOU WANT SOME NEW
09/03/09 10:13:35 BUSINESS?
09/03/09 10:13:36 >> WE HAVE SOMEONE HERE.
09/03/09 10:13:39 >> OKAY, LET'S DEAL WITH
09/03/09 10:13:41 THE
09/03/09 10:13:42 ITEMS, THEN.
09/03/09 10:13:45 FIRST
09/03/09 10:13:47 ONE IS NUMBER 5. ITEM 5,
09/03/09 10:13:49 ANYONE HERE TO ADDRESS THAT?
09/03/09 10:13:50 WHO IS HERE TO ADDRESS WHAT?
09/03/09 10:13:52 >> I NEED SOMEBODY TO ADDRESS
09/03/09 10:13:52 --
09/03/09 10:13:53 >> NUMBER 17 AND 21.
09/03/09 10:13:56 >> OKAY, COME ON UP AND STATE
09/03/09 10:14:02 YOUR
09/03/09 10:14:05 NAME FOR THE RECORD.
09/03/09 10:14:08 ITEM 17 WAS PURCHASE
09/03/09 10:14:09 OF F350
09/03/09 10:14:09 TRUCKS.
09/03/09 10:14:12 QUESTION, I BELIEVE WAS WHAT DO
09/03/09 10:14:13 WE USE THOSE TRUCKS FOR?
09/03/09 10:14:16 >>
09/03/09 10:14:18 NO, MY QUESTION WAS
09/03/09 10:14:21 $390,000, HOW MANY F350 TRUCKS
09/03/09 10:14:22 IS THAT BUYING US?
09/03/09 10:14:24 >> OH, IT WAS 11 TRUCKS.
09/03/09 10:14:25 >> 11?
09/03/09 10:14:28 >>
09/03/09 10:14:31 11,
09/03/09 10:14:33 YES.
09/03/09 10:14:35 >> OKAY.
09/03/09 10:14:38 THEN THE OTHER QUESTION
09/03/09 10:14:39 AND
09/03/09 10:14:42 THIS APPLIES TO THOSE THREE
09/03/09 10:14:45 ITEMS OF
09/03/09 10:14:47 FLEET THAT I PULLED.
09/03/09 10:14:50 WE NOW HAVE THE MERCURY
09/03/09 10:14:51 REPORT
09/03/09 10:14:53 THAT HAS NOT ONLY
09/03/09 10:14:54 RECOMMENDATIONS FOR RIGHT
09/03/09 10:14:57 SIZING, BUT ALSO FOR FLEET
09/03/09 10:15:00 REPLACEMENT AND MY QUESTION
09/03/09 10:15:00 IS,
09/03/09 10:15:03 ARE THESE --ARE WE USING THEIR
09/03/09 10:15:05 RECOMMENDATIONS AS FAR AS
09/03/09 10:15:09 MAKING DECISIONS ABOUT WHEN WE
09/03/09 10:15:11 ARE GOING TO REPLACE AND
09/03/09 10:15:12 PURCHASE NEW VEHICLES, BECAUSE
09/03/09 10:15:15 I READ THE WHOLE THING AND IT
09/03/09 10:15:18 IS CLEARLY, WE ARE NOT
09/03/09 10:15:20 FOLLOWING, WE ARE KEEPING
09/03/09 10:15:21 THINGS TOO LONG FOR ONE THING
09/03/09 10:15:24 AND I JUST WANT TO KNOW IF
09/03/09 10:15:25 OUR
09/03/09 10:15:26 DEPARTMENT AND I GUESS JUST
09/03/09 10:15:28 YOURS IN PARTICULAR, IF YOU
09/03/09 10:15:31 HAVE SEEN THAT STUDY AND YOU
09/03/09 10:15:34 ARE LOOKING AT THOSE
09/03/09 10:15:34 SUGGESTIONS.
09/03/09 10:15:35 THOSE BEST PRACTICES, THEY
09/03/09 10:15:35 RECOMMENDED.
09/03/09 10:15:37 >> YOU KNOW, ABSOLUTELY.
09/03/09 10:15:40 I HAVE SEEN THE STUDY AND WE
09/03/09 10:15:42 HAVE TURNED IN VEHICLES IN
09/03/09 10:15:43 ACCORDANCE WITH THE STUDY.
09/03/09 10:15:46 >> AND SO THAT'S A POLICY
09/03/09 10:15:47 FOR
09/03/09 10:15:48 YOU NOW?
09/03/09 10:15:48 OR A PRACTICE?
09/03/09 10:15:51 >> REALLY, THAT
09/03/09 10:15:52 SHOULD BE
09/03/09 10:15:53 ADDRESSED BY MR. DAGNALT, AS
09/03/09 10:15:55 FAR AS THE WATER DEPARTMENT,
09/03/09 10:15:56 YES, WE ARE FOLLOWING THE
09/03/09 10:15:57 RECOMMENDATIONS IN THE STUDY.
09/03/09 10:15:58 >> OKAY.
09/03/09 10:16:00 >> IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING --
09/03/09 10:16:01 >> HE IS ON THE STAFF.
09/03/09 10:16:04 SO ON THE STAFF REPORT, SO HE
09/03/09 10:16:05 CAN ADDRESS THAT AT THAT TIME.
09/03/09 10:16:08 >> MY QUESTION
09/03/09 10:16:11 ON NUMBER 21
09/03/09 10:16:14 WAS WHAT SPECIFIC STAFFING,
09/03/09 10:16:16 WHAT ARE THESE JOBS AND HOW
09/03/09 10:16:19 MANY PEOPLE ARE WE
09/03/09 10:16:19 PAYING?
09/03/09 10:16:23 >> OKAY, WE
09/03/09 10:16:26 HAVE TWO
09/03/09 10:16:26 FULL-TIME
09/03/09 10:16:29 AND FOUR PART-TIME
09/03/09 10:16:32 PATROLLERS
09/03/09 10:16:34 AND THEN ONE FULL-TIME
09/03/09 10:16:37 ADMINISTRATIVE PERSON
09/03/09 10:16:38 THAT DOES
09/03/09 10:16:38 ADMINISTRATIVE WORK.
09/03/09 10:16:40 AND I HAVE WHAT THOSE DUTIES
09/03/09 10:16:41 ARE IF YOU ARE INTERESTED.
09/03/09 10:16:44 >>
09/03/09 10:16:47 AND THIS IS
09/03/09 10:16:50 FOR WATER
09/03/09 10:16:51 USE
09/03/09 10:16:52 RESTRICTION ENFORCEMENT.
09/03/09 10:16:53 IS THAT OUR SPRINKLING?
09/03/09 10:16:54 >> CORRECT.
09/03/09 10:16:56 THAT'S THE WATER RESTRICTIONS.
09/03/09 10:16:59 >> AND IS THAT COMMERCIAL
09/03/09 10:17:00 LAND
09/03/09 10:17:00 RESIDENTIAL?
09/03/09 10:17:01 >> CORRECT.
09/03/09 10:17:02 >> YES.
09/03/09 10:17:05 >> SO WE OUT SOURCED ALL OF
09/03/09 10:17:05 THAT?
09/03/09 10:17:08 >> YES.
09/03/09 10:17:08 >> OKAY.
09/03/09 10:17:09 THANKS.
09/03/09 10:17:12 >>
09/03/09 10:17:13 IT'S A RENEWAL OF THAT
09/03/09 10:17:14 CONTRACT.
09/03/09 10:17:15 >> SO YOU GOT YOUR ANSWER?
09/03/09 10:17:18 >> YEAH, I GUESS THE NUMBER
09/03/09 10:17:19 19
09/03/09 10:17:21 WOULD BE WASTE WATER, YOU CAN'T
09/03/09 10:17:22 ANSWER THAT FOR ME.
09/03/09 10:17:25 YOU KNOW, BRAD, I BET YOU CAN
09/03/09 10:17:28 TELL ME, WHAT
09/03/09 10:17:30 IS THAT?
09/03/09 10:17:33 >> THOSE ARE TV TRUCKS
09/03/09 10:17:34 THAT
09/03/09 10:17:37 TELEVISE THE SEWER LINES AND
09/03/09 10:17:39 THEY ARE A SPECIALTY VEHICLE,
09/03/09 10:17:41 HAS A TV CAMERA AND I'M SURE
09/03/09 10:17:43 RALPH WOULD WELCOME YOU.
09/03/09 10:17:44 >> OKAY YEAH.
09/03/09 10:17:45 BECAUSE MY QUESTION IS, HOW
09/03/09 10:17:47 MANY OF THOSE ARE WE GETTING?
09/03/09 10:17:49 >> I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY THAT
09/03/09 10:17:49 IS.
09/03/09 10:17:52 >> IS FILMING THE ACTUAL
09/03/09 10:17:53 INSIDE THE SUER?
09/03/09 10:17:55 >> FILMING INSIDE THE SEWER
09/03/09 10:17:57 LINE, LOOKING FOR LEAKS AND
09/03/09 10:17:57 CRACKS.
09/03/09 10:17:59 >> OKAY.
09/03/09 10:18:00 >> GO FISH.
09/03/09 10:18:03 >> I'LL ASK RALPH
09/03/09 10:18:04 WHEN HE
09/03/09 10:18:06 SHOWS UP.
09/03/09 10:18:07 HOPEFULLY HE'LL BE HERE.
09/03/09 10:18:07 THANKS.
09/03/09 10:18:09 >> BRAD, WHO IS TECH STAFF?
09/03/09 10:18:13 >> THEY ARE A CONTRACTOR
09/03/09 10:18:14 THAT
09/03/09 10:18:17 WE USE FOR THE PATROLLING OF
09/03/09 10:18:18 THE ENFORCEMENT ASSOCIATED WITH
09/03/09 10:18:19 THE WATER RESTRICTIONS.
09/03/09 10:18:21 >> AND APPROXIMATELY HOW MANY
09/03/09 10:18:24 HOURS A WEEK DO THESE SIX
09/03/09 10:18:25 PEOPLE, PLUS THE ADMINISTRATOR
09/03/09 10:18:25 WORK?
09/03/09 10:18:28 >> OKAY,
09/03/09 10:18:31 I
09/03/09 10:18:34 HAVE THAT RIGHT
09/03/09 10:18:34 HERE.
09/03/09 10:18:35 LET'S SEE.
09/03/09 10:18:36 AVERAGE HOURS, 140 PER WEEK,
09/03/09 10:18:39 THAT'S WITH THE TWO FULL-TIME
09/03/09 10:18:41 AND FOUR PART-TIME, TOTAL ABOUT
09/03/09 10:18:42 140 HOURS PER WEEK.
09/03/09 10:18:43 >> OKAY.
09/03/09 10:18:45 ARE THEY USING OUR VEHICLES TO
09/03/09 10:18:45 DO THESE PATROLS?
09/03/09 10:18:48 >> YES, THEY
09/03/09 10:18:49 ARE.
09/03/09 10:18:50 THEY ARE USING CITY VEHICLES.
09/03/09 10:18:53 >>
09/03/09 10:18:56 140 HOURS A WEEK.
09/03/09 10:18:59 COUNCILMAN
09/03/09 10:19:00 DINGFELDER.
09/03/09 10:19:01 >> THANK YOU.
09/03/09 10:19:02 MS. MULHERN, YOU ACTUALLY ASKED
09/03/09 10:19:05 THE QUESTION I WAS GOING TO ASK
09/03/09 10:19:08 ON ITEM 17, AS
09/03/09 10:19:09 RELATED TO THE
09/03/09 10:19:09 F350s.
09/03/09 10:19:11 I HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO
09/03/09 10:19:12 FINISH GOING THROUGH THIS
09/03/09 10:19:15 MERCURY STUDY, I DON'T KNOW WHY
09/03/09 10:19:15 IT IS MERCURY.
09/03/09 10:19:16 >> THAT'S THE NAME OF THE
09/03/09 10:19:17 COMPANY.
09/03/09 10:19:20 >> THEY DON'T EVEN MAKE
09/03/09 10:19:20 MERCURIES ANYMORE.
09/03/09 10:19:21 OH, I KNOW.
09/03/09 10:19:24 BUT THE FLEET STUDY THAT WAS
09/03/09 10:19:25 JUST BEING COMPLETED.
09/03/09 10:19:29 HE IS
09/03/09 10:19:31 GOING TO REPORT ON, BUT I
09/03/09 10:19:33 KNOW THAT YOU ANSWERED AND HE
09/03/09 10:19:35 IS HERE AND MAYBE STEVE, YOU
09/03/09 10:19:38 CAN GO AHEAD AND JUMP IN ON
09/03/09 10:19:38 THIS.
09/03/09 10:19:40 THE QUESTION WAS RAISED
09/03/09 10:19:43 EARLIER, STEVE, WAS
09/03/09 10:19:45 THERE'S X
09/03/09 10:19:47 NUMBER OF F350s BEING
09/03/09 10:19:49 PURCHASED, ARE THEY BEING
09/03/09 10:19:50 PURCHASED CONSISTENT WITH THIS
09/03/09 10:19:52 STUDY, IN OTHER WORDS, THE
09/03/09 10:19:53 BIDDING PROCESS WOULD HAVE
09/03/09 10:19:54 HAPPENED A COUPLE MONTHS AGO,
09/03/09 10:19:58 BUT THE STUDY IS
09/03/09 10:19:58 JUST COMING
09/03/09 10:19:58 OUT NOW.
09/03/09 10:20:00 MS. MULHERN ASKED THE QUESTION,
09/03/09 10:20:02 I WANTED TO FOLLOW UP AND HAVE
09/03/09 10:20:03 YOUR CONCURRENCE THAT THE TWO
09/03/09 10:20:04 GO TOGETHER.
09/03/09 10:20:07 >> YES, THE ADMINISTRATOR OF
09/03/09 10:20:07 UTILITY SERVICES.
09/03/09 10:20:09 THAT STUDY HAS BEEN GOING ON
09/03/09 10:20:13 FOR ABOUT A YEAR
09/03/09 10:20:14 AND SO THAT
09/03/09 10:20:17 INFORMATION IS CONSISTENT
09/03/09 10:20:17 WITH
09/03/09 10:20:18 THESE PURCHASES.
09/03/09 10:20:19 THE PURCHASES ARE --WE AREN'T
09/03/09 10:20:21 PURCHASING VEHICLES THAT WE ARE
09/03/09 10:20:22 GETTING RID OF.
09/03/09 10:20:25 THEY ARE FOR VEHICLES
09/03/09 10:20:25 THAT
09/03/09 10:20:27 WE'RE GOING TO RETAIN.
09/03/09 10:20:29 >> OKAY.
09/03/09 10:20:32 AND THANK YOU,
09/03/09 10:20:33 STEVE.
09/03/09 10:20:36 ON THE OTHER
09/03/09 10:20:38 ISSUE ABOUT THE
09/03/09 10:20:40 CUES COMPANY THAT RALPH WANTED
09/03/09 10:20:41 TO TELL US ABOUT.
09/03/09 10:20:43 I PASSED THOSE GUYS IN MY
09/03/09 10:20:44 NEIGHBORHOOD THE OTHER DAY,
09/03/09 10:20:45 LOOKING IN YOUR PIPES.
09/03/09 10:20:48 AND THEY ARE DOING A GOOD JOB.
09/03/09 10:20:50 WE DO HAVE SOME ISSUES IN OUR
09/03/09 10:20:51 NEIGHBORHOOD, BECAUSE THEY ARE
09/03/09 10:20:52 THERE PRETTY OFTEN.
09/03/09 10:20:54 BUT ANYWAY, I ASKED THEM IF
09/03/09 10:20:57 THEY EVER SEE ANY
09/03/09 10:20:58 ALLIGATORS
09/03/09 10:20:59 DOWN THERE.
09/03/09 10:21:01 >> VERY SELDOM.
09/03/09 10:21:03 >> RALPH, WASTE WATER
09/03/09 10:21:04 DEPARTMENT.
09/03/09 10:21:07 WE ARE --THIS IS AS MUCH
09/03/09 10:21:08 A
09/03/09 10:21:10 STANDARDIZATION AS A SINGLE
09/03/09 10:21:10 SOURCE.
09/03/09 10:21:13 THE WASTE WATER DEPARTMENT
09/03/09 10:21:14 HAS
09/03/09 10:21:16 RIGHT NOW FIVE SEWER TV UNITS.
09/03/09 10:21:18 THIS WOULD BE THE SIXTH ONE.
09/03/09 10:21:21 ALSO STORM WATER HAS
09/03/09 10:21:22 ONE.
09/03/09 10:21:24 THEY ARE ALL CUES.
09/03/09 10:21:27 CUES IS THE NATION'S LEADER IN
09/03/09 10:21:27 THE BUILDING OF THESE
09/03/09 10:21:29 CUSTOMIZED THINGS WITH A LOT OF
09/03/09 10:21:30 EQUIPMENT.
09/03/09 10:21:32 NOT JUST TV EQUIPMENT, BUT
09/03/09 10:21:33 CAMERAS, RETRIEVABLE UNITS,
09/03/09 10:21:36 LUCKILY FOR US, THEY ARE OVER
09/03/09 10:21:36 IN ORLANDO.
09/03/09 10:21:39 IT IS A STANDARDIZATION, SO
09/03/09 10:21:42 THAT WE CAN KEEP
09/03/09 10:21:43 PARTS, WE CAN
09/03/09 10:21:43 FIX THEM.
09/03/09 10:21:46 WE ALSO GET A 5% DISCOUNT,
09/03/09 10:21:49 WHATEVER THAT MEANS FOR
09/03/09 10:21:49 STANDARDIZATION ON THERE TOO.
09/03/09 10:21:51 WE HAVE BID THESE THINGS FOR
09/03/09 10:21:53 YEARS AND CUES HAS BEEN
09/03/09 10:21:53 EXTREMELY LOW.
09/03/09 10:21:55 WE HAVEN'T HAD GOOD LUCK WITH A
09/03/09 10:21:57 FEW OF THE OTHER PEOPLE.
09/03/09 10:22:00 THIS IF FOR THE
09/03/09 10:22:01 POLICE WITH
09/03/09 10:22:01 THEIR CARS.
09/03/09 10:22:02 THE STANDARDIZATION.
09/03/09 10:22:03 >> THANK YOU.
09/03/09 10:22:06 I THINK THAT MAYBE THAT'S
09/03/09 10:22:08 OUR
09/03/09 10:22:10 NEXT REALITY CABLE SHOW, SEWER
09/03/09 10:22:10 LINE.
09/03/09 10:22:13 >> AND YES, WE SPEND A
09/03/09 10:22:14 LOT OF
09/03/09 10:22:14 TIME.
09/03/09 10:22:16 2,000 MILES OF SEWER, IT KEEPS
09/03/09 10:22:19 PEOPLE FROM ME HAVING TO CRAWL
09/03/09 10:22:20 DOWN AND LOOK.
09/03/09 10:22:23 >> RALPH DOESN'T HAVE TO BE IN
09/03/09 10:22:23 IT.
09/03/09 10:22:23 THANK YOU.
09/03/09 10:22:26 SO YOU SAID THERE WERE FIVE.
09/03/09 10:22:28 >> WE HAVE FIVE, THIS WOULD BE
09/03/09 10:22:31 OUR SIXTH, AND STORM WATER HAS
09/03/09 10:22:34 ONE THAT ARE ALL CUES.
09/03/09 10:22:37 >> THAT'S HOW MUCH
09/03/09 10:22:40 ONE OF THEM
09/03/09 10:22:41 COST, $195,000.
09/03/09 10:22:42 >> $79,000.
09/03/09 10:22:46 >>
09/03/09 10:22:47 OKAY.
09/03/09 10:22:48 THANK YOU.
09/03/09 10:22:51 AND THEN I DID HAVE AN
09/03/09 10:22:51 OVERALL
09/03/09 10:22:52 QUESTION FOR YOU ABOUT
09/03/09 10:22:54 ACTUALLY, WE ARE GOING TO BE
09/03/09 10:22:56 TALKING ABOUT THE FLEET NEXT,
09/03/09 10:22:57 ISN'T THAT AN AGENDA ITEM?
09/03/09 10:23:00 >> IT'S PART OF THE BUDGET
09/03/09 10:23:02 PRESENTATION.
09/03/09 10:23:05 >> MY QUESTION FOR YOU
09/03/09 10:23:05 IS,
09/03/09 10:23:07 IT'S GOOD TO HEAR THIS HAS BEEN
09/03/09 10:23:09 ON GOING FOR A YEAR.
09/03/09 10:23:12 FIRST TIME I THOUGHT WAS WHEN I
09/03/09 10:23:15 MANAGED TO GET IT A
09/03/09 10:23:16 FEW DAYS
09/03/09 10:23:16 AGO.
09/03/09 10:23:18 BUT I'M WONDERING IF IT IS NOW
09/03/09 10:23:22 AN ADOPTED POLICY THAT ALL OF
09/03/09 10:23:24 OUR DEPARTMENTS THAT WERE
09/03/09 10:23:27 STUDIED IN THAT MERCURY STUDY
09/03/09 10:23:30 ARE FOLLOWING THE REPLACEMENT
09/03/09 10:23:32 PRACTICES, BECAUSE I THINK TO
09/03/09 10:23:34 ME THAT WAS REALLY WHERE THE
09/03/09 10:23:36 SAVINGS FOR US IS.
09/03/09 10:23:38 MUCH MORE SO THAN, I MEAN, IT'S
09/03/09 10:23:41 IMPORTANT TO RIGHT SIZE THE
09/03/09 10:23:41 FLEET.
09/03/09 10:23:43 BUT WE ARE CLEARLY HOLDING ON
09/03/09 10:23:46 TO THINGS LONGER THAN WE SHOULD
09/03/09 10:23:48 HAVE AND COSTING OURSELVES MORE
09/03/09 10:23:49 MONEY BY DOING THAT.
09/03/09 10:23:52 I'M WONDERING IF THIS IS THE
09/03/09 10:23:52 BEST PRACTICES ARE BEING
09/03/09 10:23:53 ADOPTED.
09/03/09 10:23:55 >> AGAIN, WE ARE GETTING AHEAD
09/03/09 10:23:56 OF THIS AFTERNOON'S
09/03/09 10:23:58 PRESENTATION, THERE ARE TWO
09/03/09 10:23:58 PARTS TO THAT STUDY.
09/03/09 10:24:01 THERE IS THE RIGHT SIZING PART
09/03/09 10:24:04 AND THERE IS FREE
09/03/09 10:24:05 FUTURE
09/03/09 10:24:05 PURCHASING.
09/03/09 10:24:07 WE HAVE NOT FULLY RESOLVED HOW
09/03/09 10:24:10 WE WILL PURCHASE VEHICLES
09/03/09 10:24:10 IN
09/03/09 10:24:10 THE FUTURE.
09/03/09 10:24:11 THAT STUDY, THAT REPORT DOES
09/03/09 10:24:13 GIVE US TWO OR THREE OPTIONS
09/03/09 10:24:14 AND THINGS TO LOOK AT.
09/03/09 10:24:16 THAT IS NOT THE WAY WE HAVE
09/03/09 10:24:17 BEEN DOING THINGS.
09/03/09 10:24:20 WE HAVE O CURRENT CYCLE OF
09/03/09 10:24:21 PURCHASING AND REPLACING
09/03/09 10:24:22 VEHICLES SO WE HAVE TO
09/03/09 10:24:23 TRANSITION INTO THAT AND WE
09/03/09 10:24:25 WANT TO FIGURE OUT THE BEST
09/03/09 10:24:25 WAY.
09/03/09 10:24:26 >> OKAY.
09/03/09 10:24:27 I GUESS SINCE YOU ARE GOING TO
09/03/09 10:24:30 BE
09/03/09 10:24:32 TALK ABOUT THAT LATER, YOU
09/03/09 10:24:33 DON'T HAVE TO SAY IT TWICE.
09/03/09 10:24:36 MY QUESTION IS APPLYING TO ALL
09/03/09 10:24:38 THESE VEHICLE PURCHASES THAT WE
09/03/09 10:24:40 ARE BEING ASKED TO APPROVE
09/03/09 10:24:43 TODAY AND BRAD TOLD ME THAT THE
09/03/09 10:24:45 WATER DEPARTMENT IS BASING
09/03/09 10:24:48 THEIR, YOU KNOW, THEIR PLANS
09/03/09 10:24:50 FOR REPLACEMENT ON THAT STUDY.
09/03/09 10:24:52 I'M WONDERING, AS WASTE WATER
09/03/09 10:24:54 AND ALL OF THE OTHER, I GUESS
09/03/09 10:24:57 THAT'S THE OTHER ONE.
09/03/09 10:25:00 I GUESS
09/03/09 10:25:02 THE CAB, F350, TOO.
09/03/09 10:25:04 WERE THOSE BEING PURCHASED AT
09/03/09 10:25:05 THE RETIRED AND PURCHASED
09/03/09 10:25:08 REPLACED AT THE RIGHT
09/03/09 10:25:08 TIME
09/03/09 10:25:09 ACCORDING TO THOSE
09/03/09 10:25:10 RECOMMENDATIONS?
09/03/09 10:25:13 >>
09/03/09 10:25:14 I BELIEVE THAT THEY ARE.
09/03/09 10:25:17 WE HAVE OVER THE
09/03/09 10:25:18 LAST TWO YEARS
09/03/09 10:25:19 AND THIS 2010 BUDGET WILL BE
09/03/09 10:25:21 THE THIRD YEAR THAT WE HAVE
09/03/09 10:25:24 GONE THROUGH AND WHAT I
09/03/09 10:25:25 CALL
09/03/09 10:25:27 PUSHED PURCHASING OUT FURTHER.
09/03/09 10:25:29 TYPICALLY THE CITY HAS REPLACED
09/03/09 10:25:30 VEHICLES ON ABOUT A SEVEN-YEAR
09/03/09 10:25:33 CYCLE BECAUSE OF THE BUDGET
09/03/09 10:25:34 CONSIDERATIONS AND CONSTRAINTS,
09/03/09 10:25:37 WE HAVE HAD TO PUSH THOSE OUT
09/03/09 10:25:39 TO EIGHT AND NINE YEARS.
09/03/09 10:25:41 SO AGAIN, THE VEHICLES THAT WE
09/03/09 10:25:44 ARE PURCHASING HAVE REALLY GONE
09/03/09 10:25:45 THROUGH A SCRUBBING OVER THE
09/03/09 10:25:46 LAST COUPLE YEARS.
09/03/09 10:25:48 >> THEY ARE OVER DUE FOR
09/03/09 10:25:48 REPLACEMENT.
09/03/09 10:25:50 >> THEY ARE OVERDUE AND REALLY
09/03/09 10:25:51 NEEDED VEHICLES, OR WE WOULDN'T
09/03/09 10:25:52 BE BUYING THEM.
09/03/09 10:25:55 >> WELL THAT IS, I HOPE YOU
09/03/09 10:25:57 ARE GOING TO ADOPT THOSE
09/03/09 10:25:59 PRACTICES BECAUSE THAT WAS THE
09/03/09 10:26:00 WHOLE POINT.
09/03/09 10:26:01 THE COUNTERINTUITIVE POINT THAT
09/03/09 10:26:04 YOU DON'T DRIVE IT INTO THE
09/03/09 10:26:06 GROUND.
09/03/09 10:26:07 YOU TRADE IT IN WHEN IT HAS
09/03/09 10:26:09 VALUE AND YOU LOOK AT FINANCING
09/03/09 10:26:12 AND NOT BE SPENDING CASH AND BE
09/03/09 10:26:13 DEPENDENT ON A BUDGET CYCLE.
09/03/09 10:26:15 >> THERE IS A NUMBER OF WAYS
09/03/09 10:26:17 TO DO IT AND AGAIN, WE ARE
09/03/09 10:26:18 GOING TO ANALYZE THOSE AND
09/03/09 10:26:20 FIGURE OUT THE WEST WAY FOR US
09/03/09 10:26:23 TO TRANSITION INTO A DIFFERENT
09/03/09 10:26:24 PRACTICE AND WE CERTAINLY DO
09/03/09 10:26:26 HAVE THE CITY'S BEST INTEREST
09/03/09 10:26:27 AND THE COST IN MIND.
09/03/09 10:26:30 >> YOU HAVE TO LOOK A LITTLE
09/03/09 10:26:30 BIT LONG-TERM.
09/03/09 10:26:32 >> CORRECT.
09/03/09 10:26:33 >> THANKS.
09/03/09 10:26:37 >> SO ITEM 17, 18,
09/03/09 10:26:37 21,
09/03/09 10:26:38 QUESTIONS BEEN ANSWERED?
09/03/09 10:26:39 >> YES.
09/03/09 10:26:42 >> MOTION TO APPROVE?
09/03/09 10:26:45 >> MOVED.
09/03/09 10:26:48 >>
09/03/09 10:26:51 MOVED BY
09/03/09 10:26:51 COUNCILWOMAN SAUL-
09/03/09 10:26:52 SENA.
09/03/09 10:26:53 ALL IN FAVOR OF SAYING AYE.
09/03/09 10:26:53 >> AYE.
09/03/09 10:26:55 >> ITEM ON NUMBER 25.
09/03/09 10:26:58 >> CAN WE DO ITEM NUMBER 15
09/03/09 10:27:00 AS
09/03/09 10:27:00 WELL?
09/03/09 10:27:03 >> ITEM 25, MR. SMITH, THERE'S
09/03/09 10:27:05 A QUESTION THAT THE ITEM BE
09/03/09 10:27:07 CARRIED OVER UNTIL THIS
09/03/09 10:27:07 AFTERNOON.
09/03/09 10:27:08 >> MOVED.
09/03/09 10:27:09 >> SECOND.
09/03/09 10:27:12 >> MOTION AND SECOND, ALL IN
09/03/09 10:27:13 FAVOR SIGNIFIED BY SAYING AYE.
09/03/09 10:27:14 >> AYE.
09/03/09 10:27:17 >>
09/03/09 10:27:20 ITE M 15 MR.
09/03/09 10:27:21 DAGNAL.
09/03/09 10:27:24 >>
09/03/09 10:27:25 GOOD MORNING COUNCIL
09/03/09 10:27:25 MEMBERS.
09/03/09 10:27:27 TANYA, DEPARTMENT OF SOLID
09/03/09 10:27:28 WASTE AND PROGRAM MANAGEMENT.
09/03/09 10:27:31 IN TERMS OF THE
09/03/09 10:27:33 QUESTIONS
09/03/09 10:27:35 ABILITY ITEM NUMBER 15, THAT
09/03/09 10:27:38 PURCHASE CONSISTENTS OF
09/03/09 10:27:40 FIVE
09/03/09 10:27:42 FULLY AUTOMATED TRUCKS, TWO
09/03/09 10:27:43 REAR LOADER TRUCKS WITH TWO
09/03/09 10:27:45 WITH A LIFTING DEVICE AND TWO
09/03/09 10:27:47 WITHOUT A LIFTING DEVICE AND
09/03/09 10:27:49 THREE RECYCLING TRUCKS.
09/03/09 10:27:52 THIS IS A CONTINUATION
09/03/09 10:27:53 OF
09/03/09 10:27:55 STANDARDIZING THE FLEET AND THE
09/03/09 10:27:58 PARTS AND THE OPERATIONS AND
09/03/09 10:27:59 MAINTENANCE ASSOCIATED WITH
09/03/09 10:27:59 THAT.
09/03/09 10:28:02 >> SO THAT LOOKS
09/03/09 10:28:04 LIKE TO ME,
09/03/09 10:28:05 THAT'S $260,000 PER TRUCK THEN?
09/03/09 10:28:08 >> THE FULLY
09/03/09 10:28:11 AUTOMATED TRUCKS,
09/03/09 10:28:12 THEY ARE $240,000 EACH.
09/03/09 10:28:15 THE REAR LOADERS WITHOUT
09/03/09 10:28:16 THE
09/03/09 10:28:19 LIFTING DEVICE IS $199,000 EACH
09/03/09 10:28:22 AND THE REAR LOADERS WITH
09/03/09 10:28:22 THE
09/03/09 10:28:24 LIFTING DEVICE ARE $203,000 AND
09/03/09 10:28:27 THE RECYCLING TRUCKS COME
09/03/09 10:28:29 IN AT
09/03/09 10:28:30 ABOUT $210,000 EACH.
09/03/09 10:28:33 THAT'S THE BREAK OUT ON HOW WE
09/03/09 10:28:34 ARE PURCHASING THOSE VEHICLES.
09/03/09 10:28:36 YOU KNOW THAT WE CONTINUE TO DO
09/03/09 10:28:38 THE EXPANSION OF THE FULLY
09/03/09 10:28:38 AUTOMATED PROGRAM THROUGHOUT
09/03/09 10:28:40 THE CITY AND OF COURSE
09/03/09 10:28:41 RECYCLING AS WELL.
09/03/09 10:28:42 >> OKAY.
09/03/09 10:28:43 THANKS A LOT.
09/03/09 10:28:43 >> THANK YOU.
09/03/09 10:28:46 I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE
09/03/09 10:28:46 RECYCLING TRUCKS.
09/03/09 10:28:49 ARE THEY LARGER THAN
09/03/09 10:28:50 REGULAR
09/03/09 10:28:51 TRUCKS?
09/03/09 10:28:54 >> WE GOT THESE THAT WE ARE
09/03/09 10:28:54 PURCHASING ARE LARGER.
09/03/09 10:28:56 I CAN'T THINK OF HOW MUCH MORE
09/03/09 10:28:58 IN TERMS OF CAPACITY THEY ARE.
09/03/09 10:28:59 I CAN FOLLOW UP AND GET THAT
09/03/09 10:29:00 INFORMATION BACK TO YOU.
09/03/09 10:29:02 >> THE REASON I'M ASKING THE
09/03/09 10:29:03 QUESTION, I HAVE A FRIEND WHO
09/03/09 10:29:05 LIVES ON SOUTH NICHOLS AVENUE
09/03/09 10:29:07 AND I CAN GET YOU THE ADDRESS.
09/03/09 10:29:10 SHE LIVES IN THE COMPLEX OF 20
09/03/09 10:29:11 TOWNHOUSES.
09/03/09 10:29:13 THE REGULAR GARBAGE TRUCK COMES
09/03/09 10:29:16 IN AND PICKS UP THEIR GARBAGE,
09/03/09 10:29:18 BUT SHE WAS TOLD THAT THE
09/03/09 10:29:19 RECYCLING VEHICLE WASN'T ABLE
09/03/09 10:29:22 TO GO IN AND PICK UP THE
09/03/09 10:29:22 RECYCLING.
09/03/09 10:29:24 >> WE ARE GETTING DIFFERENT
09/03/09 10:29:25 RECYCLING VEHICLES SO THE ONES
09/03/09 10:29:27 THAT HAVE THE BUCKETS THAT YOU
09/03/09 10:29:29 ARE USED TO SEEING WITH THE
09/03/09 10:29:31 CARTOON CHARACTERS ON THE SIDE,
09/03/09 10:29:32 WE ARE GETTING DIFFERENT
09/03/09 10:29:33 RECYCLING VEHICLES.
09/03/09 10:29:35 SO I THINK THE ISSUE OF THEM
09/03/09 10:29:36 BEING TOO BIG, THAT'S WHY WE
09/03/09 10:29:38 CHANGED TO THIS TYPE OF TRUCK.
09/03/09 10:29:40 THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WE
09/03/09 10:29:41 CHANGED TO THIS TYPE OF TRUCK.
09/03/09 10:29:43 >> IF WE MOVE AHEAD WITH THIS
09/03/09 10:29:44 TYPE OF PURCHASE, HOW LONG DO
09/03/09 10:29:46 YOU THINK THE VEHICLES WILL BE
09/03/09 10:29:48 DELIVERED AND ARE ABLE TO
09/03/09 10:29:48 PROVIDE ADDITIONAL SERVICES?
09/03/09 10:29:51 >> WE EXPECT THE VEHICLES TO
09/03/09 10:29:53 BE DELIVERED IN JANUARY 2010
09/03/09 10:29:56 AND THEN AFTER THE ACCEPTANCE
09/03/09 10:29:57 INSPECTION, PUT THEM IN TO
09/03/09 10:29:58 OPERATION.
09/03/09 10:29:59 >> THANK YOU.
09/03/09 10:30:00 I'LL GET YOU THE SPECIFIC
09/03/09 10:30:01 INFORMATION BECAUSE THERE ARE
09/03/09 10:30:04 PEOPLE WHO REALLY WANT TO
09/03/09 10:30:06 RECYCLE.
09/03/09 10:30:08 [ STAND BY FOR CAPTIONS ]

09/03/09 10:31:11 >> I BELIEVE --GO
09/03/09 10:31:12 AHEAD.
09/03/09 10:31:13 I KNOW WE...
09/03/09 10:31:14 >> SIR, AT THIS TIME ALL OF THE
09/03/09 10:31:16 VEHICLES THAT COME OUT OF
09/03/09 10:31:18 SERVICE FOR THE CITY ARE BEING
09/03/09 10:31:20 SOLD ON THE INTERNET.
09/03/09 10:31:21 THEY ARE TURNED OVER TO
09/03/09 10:31:22 PURCHASING, AND PURCHASING SELLS
09/03/09 10:31:25 THEM ON THE INTERNET.
09/03/09 10:31:28 >>
09/03/09 10:31:30 THANK YOU.
09/03/09 10:31:33 >> I HAD ONE MORE
09/03/09 10:31:34 QUESTION.
09/03/09 10:31:37 DID YOU LOOK AT ANY
09/03/09 10:31:40 OPTIONS FOR
09/03/09 10:31:40 RENEWABLE VEHICLES, RENEWABLE
09/03/09 10:31:41 ENERGY USING VEHICLES, FLARL GAS
09/03/09 10:31:44 OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT?
09/03/09 10:31:47 AR E THOSE OUT THERE AND WERE
09/03/09 10:31:47 THOSE CONSIDERED --
09/03/09 10:31:50 >> ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT
09/03/09 10:31:51 ALTERNATIVE FUEL VEHICLES,
09/03/09 10:31:54 NATURAL GAS AND THAT
09/03/09 10:31:55 KIND OF
09/03/09 10:31:55 STUFF?
09/03/09 10:31:57 I HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK,
09/03/09 10:31:58 BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT THESE
09/03/09 10:32:01 THAT WE HAVE
09/03/09 10:32:02 DON'T HAVE THOSE
09/03/09 10:32:05 CAPABILITIES ON THEM.
09/03/09 10:32:06 THE ONES WE'RE PROPOSING TO
09/03/09 10:32:06 PURCHASE.
09/03/09 10:32:08 >> I HOPE THAT WE WILL START
09/03/09 10:32:11 LOOKING AT THAT IN THE FUTURE
09/03/09 10:32:14 BECAUSE THAT'S ANOTHER HUGE
09/03/09 10:32:16 SAVINGS OF OUR WORLD AND OF OUR
09/03/09 10:32:16 BUDGET.
09/03/09 10:32:17 >> OH, YES.
09/03/09 10:32:18 >> THANKS.
09/03/09 10:32:21 >> IF ALL YOUR QUESTIONS HAVE
09/03/09 10:32:24 BEEN ANSWERED, I WILL ASK FOR A
09/03/09 10:32:26 MOTION TO APPROVE.
09/03/09 10:32:27 >> SO MOVE.
09/03/09 10:32:28 >> SECOND.
09/03/09 10:32:30 >> ALL IN FAVOR.
09/03/09 10:32:31 >> AYE.
09/03/09 10:32:34 >> ITEM 5,
09/03/09 10:32:37 ITEM 5 PULLED
09/03/09 10:32:39 BY
09/03/09 10:32:39 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDEL.
09/03/09 10:32:40 >> GOOD MORNING.
09/03/09 10:32:43 ITEM 5
09/03/09 10:32:45 IS THE POLICE
09/03/09 10:32:47 DEPARTMENT'S SHELL FUEL CARD
09/03/09 10:32:49 PROGRAM THAT THEY USE IN TERMS
09/03/09 10:32:50 OF FUELLING THEIR VEHICLES SO
09/03/09 10:32:53 THEY CAN STAY OUT IN
09/03/09 10:32:54 THE
09/03/09 10:32:55 COMMUNITY.
09/03/09 10:32:57 KEEP A POLICE PRESENCE IN THE
09/03/09 10:32:58 COMMUNITY AND FACILITATE SOME OF
09/03/09 10:33:01 THEIR OPERATIONS SO THEY DON'T
09/03/09 10:33:04 HAVE TO COME BACK TO
09/03/09 10:33:04 A CENTRAL
09/03/09 10:33:05 FUEL STATION.
09/03/09 10:33:08 I BELIEVE THE QUESTION WAS HOW
09/03/09 10:33:11 DO
09/03/09 10:33:12 WE CALCULATE THE COST, AND
09/03/09 10:33:14 WHAT DOES THE CITY PAY?
09/03/09 10:33:17 THERE' S A 3% DISCOUNT THAT THE
09/03/09 10:33:20 CITY GETS AT THE PUMP, AND
09/03/09 10:33:22 THERE'S A 3.2% REDUCTION THAT'S
09/03/09 10:33:23 RELATED TO THE SALES TAX, AND
09/03/09 10:33:25 THAT'S TAKEN OFF THE TOP.
09/03/09 10:33:28 AND THIRDLY, WE FILE FOR A
09/03/09 10:33:31 QUARTERLY REBATE FROM THE STATE
09/03/09 10:33:33 OF FLORIDA AT 13.1 CENTS PER
09/03/09 10:33:33 GALLON.
09/03/09 10:33:36 WHEN YOU ADD THE REBATES,
09/03/09 10:33:36 WE'RE
09/03/09 10:33:38 PAYING FAR LESS THAN PUMP PRICE
09/03/09 10:33:40 FOR THE FUEL.
09/03/09 10:33:43 >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
09/03/09 10:33:46 IT WASN'T ABUNDANTLY CLEAR FROM
09/03/09 10:33:48 WHAT YOU HAD SENT ME HOW THE
09/03/09 10:33:49 FORMULA WORKS.
09/03/09 10:33:52 I SAW
09/03/09 10:33:54 THE TABLES EVENTUALLY, BUT
09/03/09 10:33:56 GREG, WE'VE HAD THIS CONTRACT
09/03/09 10:33:57 WITH SHELL IN PLACE FOR A COUPLE
09/03/09 10:33:58 OF YEARS NOW.
09/03/09 10:33:58 HOW MANY YEARS?
09/03/09 10:34:00 >> IT HAS BEEN IN PLACE FOR
09/03/09 10:34:02 ABOUT THREE OR FOUR YEARS NOW,
09/03/09 10:34:05 BUT IT IS DUE TO BE REBID NEXT
09/03/09 10:34:05 YEAR.
09/03/09 10:34:07 ONE OF THE REASONS WE HAVE GONE
09/03/09 10:34:09 WITH SHELL IS BECAUSE THEY HAVE
09/03/09 10:34:11 THE UNIQUE REPORTING
09/03/09 10:34:12 REQUIREMENTS THAT WERE
09/03/09 10:34:14 NECESSARILY REQUIRED TO TRACK
09/03/09 10:34:14 FUEL PURCHASES.
09/03/09 10:34:16 SINCE THAT TIME, WE HAVE LEARNED
09/03/09 10:34:18 THAT THE MARKET HAS CHANGED
09/03/09 10:34:18 SOMEWHAT.
09/03/09 10:34:21 THERE ARE SOME OTHER PLAYERS, SO
09/03/09 10:34:22 WE WILL BE PUTTING THIS BACK OUT
09/03/09 10:34:24 TO BID NEXT YEAR AND HOPEFULLY
09/03/09 10:34:26 GETTING SOME COMPETITION ON IT.
09/03/09 10:34:28 >> WITH WE ORIGINALLY DID
09/03/09 10:34:31 --WHEN WE ORIGINALLY DID THIS,
09/03/09 10:34:34 WAS IT AN RFP OR AN
09/03/09 10:34:34 INVITATION
09/03/09 10:34:35 TO BID?
09/03/09 10:34:37 >> IT WAS AN INVITATION TO BID.
09/03/09 10:34:39 >> IT WAS A STRAIGHT BID?
09/03/09 10:34:39 >> YES
09/03/09 10:34:40 .
09/03/09 10:34:43 >> DID WE
09/03/09 10:34:44 ONLY HAVE ONE BIDDER
09/03/09 10:34:44 AT THE TIME?
09/03/09 10:34:47 >> WE HAD A NUMBER
09/03/09 10:34:50 OF BIDDERS,
09/03/09 10:34:53 BUT ONLY SHELL HAD THE ABILITY
09/03/09 10:34:53 TO TRACK THE PURCHASES.
09/03/09 10:34:56 >> WE ONLY HAD ONE RESPONSIVE
09/03/09 10:34:57 BIDDER?
09/03/09 10:34:57 >> THAT'S RIGHT.
09/03/09 10:34:59 >> IT'S A HUGE TICKET ITEM FOR
09/03/09 10:34:59 THE CITY.
09/03/09 10:35:00 >> IT IS.
09/03/09 10:35:03 >> MILLIONS OF DOLLARS
09/03/09 10:35:05 A YEAR
09/03/09 10:35:08 GOING INTO THE TPD GAS
09/03/09 10:35:09 TAX.
09/03/09 10:35:09 OBVIOUSLY, IT'S IMPORTANT, BUT
09/03/09 10:35:10 AT THE SAME TIME, WE NEED TO
09/03/09 10:35:13 SAVE AS MUCH MONEY AS
09/03/09 10:35:15 WE CAN.
09/03/09 10:35:16 SOMETHING AS CHANGING AND
09/03/09 10:35:18 VOLATILE AS GAZA LEAN, I WOULD
09/03/09 10:35:20 THINK --GASOLINE, I WOULD THINK
09/03/09 10:35:22 THERE MIGHT BE OTHER COMPANIES
09/03/09 10:35:23 OR CHAINS OUT THERE WHO MIGHT
09/03/09 10:35:23 WANT TO COMPETE.
09/03/09 10:35:25 >> WE HAVE HAD MEETINGS WITH
09/03/09 10:35:27 OTHER COMPANIES.
09/03/09 10:35:29 THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT THE
09/03/09 10:35:31 REPORTING REQUIREMENTS ARE, SO
09/03/09 10:35:33 WE EXPECT TO GET SIGNIFICANT
09/03/09 10:35:35 COMPETITION ON NEXT YEAR'S BID.
09/03/09 10:35:36 >> COUNCILMAN CAETANO.
09/03/09 10:35:39 >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
09/03/09 10:35:41 I'VE MET WITH MR. SPEARMAN ON
09/03/09 10:35:43 THIS, AND I RECENTLY OBSERVED
09/03/09 10:35:44 FOUR VEHICLES GETTING GAS AT A
09/03/09 10:35:47 SHELL GAS STATION IN THE NEW
09/03/09 10:35:49 TAMPA AREA AT 2.59 A GALLON.
09/03/09 10:35:51 I GO DOWN THE STREET, I REALIZE
09/03/09 10:35:53 WE'RE NOT PAYING SALES TAX OR
09/03/09 10:35:54 ANYTHING LIKE THAT, AS YOU
09/03/09 10:35:55 EXPLAINED TO ME.
09/03/09 10:35:57 I GO DOWN THE STREET AT A MOBILE
09/03/09 10:36:00 STATION, I SEE IT
09/03/09 10:36:01 FOR $2.41.
09/03/09 10:36:03 SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 18 CENTS
09/03/09 10:36:06 A GALLON, SO AT 3%, THAT'S
09/03/09 10:36:07 NO
09/03/09 10:36:08 BARGAIN.
09/03/09 10:36:10 SHELL IS NOT GIVING US ANYTHING,
09/03/09 10:36:12 AND SHELL IS HIGHER THAN MOST
09/03/09 10:36:13 GAS STATIONS.
09/03/09 10:36:15 I GO TO ANOTHER GAS STATION, AND
09/03/09 10:36:16 THEY WERE 16 CENTS LOWER.
09/03/09 10:36:19 SO WE'RE NOT
09/03/09 10:36:21 GETTING A DEAL.
09/03/09 10:36:24 >> THEY ARE
09/03/09 10:36:27 NOT COMPETENT
09/03/09 10:36:28 COMPETITIVE.
09/03/09 10:36:30 AND OUR VEHICLES GO BY ALL OF
09/03/09 10:36:31 THESE GAS STATIONS IN ORDER TO
09/03/09 10:36:33 GET TO THE SHELL GAS STATION,
09/03/09 10:36:35 AND I THINK WE NEED TO INSTRUCT
09/03/09 10:36:36 --WE NEED TO HAVE A BETTER
09/03/09 10:36:37 CONTRACT.
09/03/09 10:36:38 I DON'T LIKE IT BECAUSE IT'S NO
09/03/09 10:36:41 DEAL AT 3% WHEN YOU'RE PAYING 18
09/03/09 10:36:42 CENTS MORE A GALLON.
09/03/09 10:36:43 BECAUSE IT ADDS UP.
09/03/09 10:36:46 THERE'S A LOT OF
09/03/09 10:36:46 NUMBERS HERE.
09/03/09 10:36:49 >> COUNCILMAN CAETANO, WE ARE
09/03/09 10:36:52 LOOKING AT PUTTING THIS OUT TO
09/03/09 10:36:52 BID.
09/03/09 10:36:55 AS WE STATED EARLIER, WE DID
09/03/09 10:36:58 NOT
09/03/09 10:36:59 HAVE ANY RESPONSIVE BIDDERS.
09/03/09 10:37:00 IT IS A SAVINGS.
09/03/09 10:37:03 WE ARE NOT
09/03/09 10:37:03 PAYING THE PUMP
09/03/09 10:37:03 PRICE.
09/03/09 10:37:04 >> I REALIZE THAT.
09/03/09 10:37:07 >> IN FACT, THE AVERAGE
09/03/09 10:37:08 PRICE
09/03/09 10:37:09 IS 2.09 PER GALLON.
09/03/09 10:37:10 YOU SHOULD KNOW THAT.
09/03/09 10:37:11 >> MR. CHAIRMAN.
09/03/09 10:37:12 >> YES.
09/03/09 10:37:15 >> AND I
09/03/09 10:37:16 APPRECIATE
09/03/09 10:37:19 MR. CAETANO'S DILIGENCE ON
09/03/09 10:37:22 CRUISING THESE PRICES WITH
09/03/09 10:37:23 ALL
09/03/09 10:37:23 SINCERITY.
09/03/09 10:37:25 GREG, WHY WOULDN'T WE JUST GO
09/03/09 10:37:27 AHEAD AND CONTINUE THIS CONTRACT
09/03/09 10:37:29 FOR A FEW MORE MONTHS, AND THEN
09/03/09 10:37:30 EXIT THE CONTRACT.
09/03/09 10:37:33 WE PROBABLY HAVE AN OUT, YOU
09/03/09 10:37:35 KNOW, GIVING 30 DAYS' NOTICE OR
09/03/09 10:37:37 60 DAYS' NOTICE ON THE CONTRACT.
09/03/09 10:37:39 ALL OF OUR DO, AND BID IT
09/03/09 10:37:39 EARLIER?
09/03/09 10:37:42 WH Y WAIT UNTIL NEXT YEAR IF WE
09/03/09 10:37:43 BELIEVE THERE ARE OTHER
09/03/09 10:37:45 COMPANIES THAT CAN NOW MEET THE
09/03/09 10:37:47 REQUIREMENTS AND WE COULD
09/03/09 10:37:48 POSSIBLY, YOU KNOW, GET A BETTER
09/03/09 10:37:48 DEAL?
09/03/09 10:37:51 >> THE INTENT IS TO START
09/03/09 10:37:52 THE
09/03/09 10:37:54 BIDDING PROCESS EARLY.
09/03/09 10:37:56 THERE IS A VERY INTRICATE,
09/03/09 10:37:58 DETAILED PROGRAM TO MAINTAIN
09/03/09 10:38:00 THIS DATA, SO WE HAVE TO MAKE
09/03/09 10:38:01 SURE THAT WHOEVER IS SELECTED
09/03/09 10:38:02 CAN BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
09/03/09 10:38:05 THAT'S ALSO THE ISSUE OF
09/03/09 10:38:07 --THERE'S ALSO THE ISSUE OF
09/03/09 10:38:09 TRANSFERRING THE DATA FROM SHELL
09/03/09 10:38:11 INTO THE NEW SYSTEM.
09/03/09 10:38:12 THAT'S A LONG LEAD TIME.
09/03/09 10:38:15 OUR INTENT IS TO GO AHEAD AND
09/03/09 10:38:18 ISSUE A BID ABOUT 6 MONTHS
09/03/09 10:38:19 BEFORE THE CONTRACT EXPIRES.
09/03/09 10:38:22 >> ISSUE THE BID, BUT NOT AWARD
09/03/09 10:38:24 IT FOR ANOTHER FULL YEAR FROM
09/03/09 10:38:24 NOW?
09/03/09 10:38:27 >> IT APPEARS AGAIN, THERE'S A
09/03/09 10:38:29 LOT OF INTRICATE DETAIL IN TERMS
09/03/09 10:38:30 OF THE DATA TRACKING AND
09/03/09 10:38:31 ANALYSIS.
09/03/09 10:38:32 WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE
09/03/09 10:38:34 COMPANY HAS THE ABILITY.
09/03/09 10:38:37 THERE'S A LOT OF CUSTOMIZATION
09/03/09 10:38:38 INVOLVED WITH THE REPORTS.
09/03/09 10:38:40 WE HAVE TO DO IT THOROUGHLY AND
09/03/09 10:38:42 MAKE SURE THAT THE COMPANY MEETS
09/03/09 10:38:44 THE REQUIREMENTS IN TERMS OF THE
09/03/09 10:38:45 DATA TRACKING.
09/03/09 10:38:47 WE DO INTEND TO ISSUE THE RFP
09/03/09 10:38:47 EARLY.
09/03/09 10:38:50 >> I SEE SOME TPD BRASS IN THE
09/03/09 10:38:50 BACK HERE.
09/03/09 10:38:53 ARE YOU HERE ON THIS ISSUE?
09/03/09 10:38:56 NO , JUST HERE TO PROTECT
09/03/09 10:38:57 US,
09/03/09 10:38:59 THANK YOU.
09/03/09 10:39:01 >> COUNCILWOMAN MULHEM.
09/03/09 10:39:04 YOU SAY
09/03/09 10:39:04 WE PAY 2.09.
09/03/09 10:39:06 >> WE'RE NOT PAYING WHAT YOU
09/03/09 10:39:06 SAID.
09/03/09 10:39:08 >> THAT'S AN AVERAGE FOR THE
09/03/09 10:39:11 WHOLE YEAR, THAT DOESN'T
09/03/09 10:39:14 NECESSARILY SAY WHAT'S
09/03/09 10:39:14 GOING ON
09/03/09 10:39:15 TODAY.
09/03/09 10:39:18 >> I'M GOING TO
09/03/09 10:39:18 ASK FOR A
09/03/09 10:39:20 MOTION TO APPROVE.
09/03/09 10:39:20 >> MOVE.
09/03/09 10:39:21 >> SECOND.
09/03/09 10:39:24 >> ALL IN FAVOR,
09/03/09 10:39:24 SAY AYE.
09/03/09 10:39:27 >> AYE.
09/03/09 10:39:30 >> WE WILL MOVE NOW TO OUR
09/03/09 10:39:32 STAFF REPORTS.
09/03/09 10:39:35 ITEMS 7 TO 9.
09/03/09 10:39:41 --ITEM 69
09/03/09 10:39:41 79.
09/03/09 10:39:50 >> COUNCIL
09/03/09 10:39:53 MEMBERS, GOOD
09/03/09 10:39:55 MORNING.
09/03/09 10:39:58 I'M GOING TO GUESS THAT
09/03/09 10:39:59 THE
09/03/09 10:40:01 QUESTION IS THAT YOU HAVE BEEN
09/03/09 10:40:03 CONTACTED BY SOMEONE WHO IS
09/03/09 10:40:05 INTERESTED IN HAULING SOME OF
09/03/09 10:40:06 THE YARD WASTE.
09/03/09 10:40:09 CURRENTLY, THE
09/03/09 10:40:10 CITY HAS A
09/03/09 10:40:12 MANHATTAN BRUSH DISPOSAL SITE.
09/03/09 10:40:15 WE HAVE THE McKAY BAY TRANSFER
09/03/09 10:40:16 SITE.
09/03/09 10:40:17 CITIZENS CAN TAKE THEIR YARD
09/03/09 10:40:19 WASTE TO EITHER OF THOSE SITES,
09/03/09 10:40:22 AND AS WELL, WE PICK UP YARD
09/03/09 10:40:23 WASTE THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOODS
09/03/09 10:40:24 AS YOU KNOW.
09/03/09 10:40:27 WE THEN MOVE ALL OF THAT TO
09/03/09 10:40:28 THE
09/03/09 10:40:30 MANHATTAN TRANSFER SITE, AND
09/03/09 10:40:33 CURRENTLY, OUR CONTRACTOR, WHO
09/03/09 10:40:34 IS WASTE SERVICES, TAKES THE
09/03/09 10:40:36 YARD WASTE FROM THE McKAY BAY
09/03/09 10:40:39 SITE AND HAULS IT TO THE
09/03/09 10:40:40 FALCONBERG SITE.
09/03/09 10:40:43 THE FALCONBERG SITE IS
09/03/09 10:40:45 NOT A
09/03/09 10:40:45 LANDFILL.
09/03/09 10:40:47 THEY EITHER MULCH IT THERE OR
09/03/09 10:40:48 HAVE ANOTHER CONTRACTOR WHO CAN
09/03/09 10:40:49 USE IT AS A LANDFILL.
09/03/09 10:40:52 ALL OF THOSE STEPS IN THERE
09/03/09 10:40:54 REQUIRE --WE HAVE TO CONSTANTLY
09/03/09 10:40:55 MONITOR, FOR EXAMPLE, THE
09/03/09 10:40:57 MANHATTAN BRUSH SITE.
09/03/09 10:41:00 SEASONALLY, IT HAS MORE OR LESS
09/03/09 10:41:02 VEGETATION AND STUFF DEPOSITED
09/03/09 10:41:03 THERE.
09/03/09 10:41:06 AND THEN WE MOVE IT AGAIN TO THE
09/03/09 10:41:08 McKAY BAY FACILITY.
09/03/09 10:41:10 WE INTEND, AND I'M STARTING TO
09/03/09 10:41:12 SOUND LIKE MR. SPEARMAN, WE
09/03/09 10:41:15 INTEND NEXT YEAR TO GO OUT WITH
09/03/09 10:41:18 A CONTRACT TO AWARD
09/03/09 10:41:19 THE ENTIRE
09/03/09 10:41:21 OPERATION, THE HAULING AND THE
09/03/09 10:41:24 TRANSFER FACILITY OPERATION AND
09/03/09 10:41:25 MAINTENANCE.
09/03/09 10:41:27 SO TO DO A PIECE OF IT RIGHT NOW
09/03/09 10:41:30 WOULD PUT US A LITTLE BIT OUT OF
09/03/09 10:41:30 SYNC.
09/03/09 10:41:33 WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE ONE
09/03/09 10:41:35 CONTRACTOR DOING THE HAULING AND
09/03/09 10:41:35 MANAGING THE TRANSFER FACILITY.
09/03/09 10:41:38 WE THINK THAT WOULD BE MOST
09/03/09 10:41:39 EXPEDITIOUS FOR US.
09/03/09 10:41:40 ANYBODY WHO IS INTERESTED IN
09/03/09 10:41:42 EITHER THE HAULING PART OR THE
09/03/09 10:41:44 MANAGING PART OR BOTH, WE WOULD
09/03/09 10:41:46 CERTAINLY ENCOURAGE AND LIKE TO
09/03/09 10:41:48 SEE THEM COME FORWARD WHEN WE
09/03/09 10:41:49 PUT THEY THAT SOLICITATION OUT.
09/03/09 10:41:52 AND I WILL BE GLAD TO
09/03/09 10:41:52 ANSWER ANY
09/03/09 10:41:54 QUESTIONS.
09/03/09 10:41:56 >> COUNCILWOMAN SAUL-SENA.
09/03/09 10:41:59 >> EARLIER TODAY DURING THE
09/03/09 10:42:01 AUDIENCE PARTICIPATION PART, WE
09/03/09 10:42:02 HEARD FROM TWO GENTLEMEN WHO
09/03/09 10:42:05 ABLE TO DO THIS IN
09/03/09 10:42:07 A MORE
09/03/09 10:42:08 EXPEDITIOUS WAY, LARGER TRUCKS,
09/03/09 10:42:10 SAVE US $10,000 A MONTH.
09/03/09 10:42:13 I HOPE WHEN WE DO A
09/03/09 10:42:14 REQUEST FOR
09/03/09 10:42:17 PROPOSAL, I HOPE WE CAN ANALYZE
09/03/09 10:42:18 THE BEST DEAL FOR THE CITY.
09/03/09 10:42:20 I KNOW WE ARE VERY COMMITTED AS
09/03/09 10:42:23 A CITY TO BEING SUSTAINABLE.
09/03/09 10:42:24 CERTAINLY ONE LARGER VEHICLE
09/03/09 10:42:26 RATHER THAN A NUMBER OF SMALLER
09/03/09 10:42:27 VEHICLES MAKES MORE SENSE.
09/03/09 10:42:30 DO YOU SAY NEXT YEAR?
09/03/09 10:42:31 --WHEN YOU SAY
09/03/09 10:42:33 NEXT YEAR, DO YOU MEAN OUR
09/03/09 10:42:34 FISCAL YEAR OR THE CALENDAR
09/03/09 10:42:35 YEAR?
09/03/09 10:42:38 I T SEEMS TO ME THE TREMENDOUS
09/03/09 10:42:40 PRESSURES WE'RE UNDER
09/03/09 10:42:41 FINANCIALLY THAT SAVING $10,000
09/03/09 10:42:43 A MONTH POTENTIALLY WOULD BE SO
09/03/09 10:42:45 IMPORTANT TO US THAT WE SHOULD
09/03/09 10:42:46 MORE AS EXPEDITIOUSLY AS
09/03/09 10:42:46 POSSIBLE.
09/03/09 10:42:48 AND I'M HOPEFUL THAT YOU MEAN
09/03/09 10:42:51 THE FISCAL YEAR, OCTOBER 1,
09/03/09 10:42:51 RATHER THAN 2010.
09/03/09 10:42:52 WHAT DO YOU MEAN?
09/03/09 10:42:55 >> WHAT I MEAN IS IT WILL BE
09/03/09 10:42:58 SPRING OF CALENDAR YEAR 2010 --
09/03/09 10:42:58 >> WHY?
09/03/09 10:42:58 >> BECAUSE
09/03/09 10:43:00 IT TAKES A LITTLE
09/03/09 10:43:02 TIME TO PUT THESE TOGETHER.
09/03/09 10:43:05 THESE ARE NOT VERY SIMPLE
09/03/09 10:43:07 CONTRACTS TO PUT TOGETHER.
09/03/09 10:43:08 WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE
09/03/09 10:43:11 HAVE ALL OF THE BASES COVERED,
09/03/09 10:43:14 AND WE HAVE OTHER ISSUES AS WELL
09/03/09 10:43:17 THAT WE'RE DEALING
09/03/09 10:43:18 WITH.
09/03/09 10:43:19 YOU HAVE BEEN TOLD THAT YOU CAN
09/03/09 10:43:22 HAVE A SAVINGS OF $10,000 A
09/03/09 10:43:22 MONTH.
09/03/09 10:43:25 I'M NOT SURE THAT THAT'S
09/03/09 10:43:27 EXACTLY
09/03/09 10:43:29 THE CORRECT NUMBER, AND IT
09/03/09 10:43:30 CERTAINLY DOES DEPEND UPON THE
09/03/09 10:43:32 SIZE OF THE TRUCK.
09/03/09 10:43:35 THE ISSUE THAT WE HAVE AT THE
09/03/09 10:43:37 MANHATTAN BRUSH SITE IS IT IS
09/03/09 10:43:38 NOT A STEADY STATE FLOW.
09/03/09 10:43:38 >> WE UNDERSTAND.
09/03/09 10:43:41 >> DURING THE SUMMER, WE HAVE
09/03/09 10:43:42 MORE VEGETATIVE MATTER AND YARD
09/03/09 10:43:44 WASTE THAN WE DO IN THE WINTERS
09/03/09 10:43:47 AND IN THE FALL.
09/03/09 10:43:50 SO
09/03/09 10:43:52 AGAIN, IT'S A CYCLICAL THING.
09/03/09 10:43:54 >> I UNDERSTAND THAT.
09/03/09 10:43:57 WE ALL ARE KEENLY PAINFULLY
09/03/09 10:43:58 AWARE OF OUR BUDGET CONSTRAINTS,
09/03/09 10:43:59 AND FRANKLY --
09/03/09 10:44:00 >> SO ARE WE.
09/03/09 10:44:02 >> THIS IS NOT GETTING A ROCKET
09/03/09 10:44:05 TO THE
09/03/09 10:44:08 MOON.
09/03/09 10:44:09 IT'S DEALING WITH WASTE.
09/03/09 10:44:10 IT'S A KNOWN QUANTITY.
09/03/09 10:44:12 AND I JUST DON'T SEE THAT
09/03/09 10:44:14 WAITING UNTIL SPRING, I JUST
09/03/09 10:44:16 DON'T SEE WHY IT SHOULD TAKE YOU
09/03/09 10:44:16 ALL THAT LONG.
09/03/09 10:44:18 >> PLEASE DON'T THINK WE'RE
09/03/09 10:44:21 WAITING AND DOING NOTHING IN THE
09/03/09 10:44:21 MEANTIME.
09/03/09 10:44:23 WE HAVE A LOT OF THINGS WE ARE
09/03/09 10:44:25 DOING, AND WE WILL BE GATHERING
09/03/09 10:44:26 INFORMATION, WE WILL PUTTING
09/03/09 10:44:26 THAT CONTRACT TOGETHER.
09/03/09 10:44:29 WE HAVE TO WORK WITH THE
09/03/09 10:44:31 PURCHASING DEPARTMENT AND PUT
09/03/09 10:44:34 THIS IN THE FLOW OF THINGS.
09/03/09 10:44:36 BUT AGAIN, I THINK THAT WE WILL
09/03/09 10:44:37 DO THIS --
09/03/09 10:44:39 >> IT SOMS TO ME IF WE WERE
09/03/09 10:44:42 PAYING --IT SEEMS TO ME, IF WE
09/03/09 10:44:44 WERE PAYING SOMEBODY AND WE WERE
09/03/09 10:44:46 TO GO OUT TOGETHER AND HIRE A
09/03/09 10:44:48 CONSULTANT AND PUT A PROPOSAL
09/03/09 10:44:49 TOGETHER, THAT WOULD COST
09/03/09 10:44:50 POTENTIALLY LESS THAN $10,000,
09/03/09 10:44:53 BECAUSE THERE ARE A LOT OF
09/03/09 10:44:55 CONSULTANTS LOOKING FOR WORK.
09/03/09 10:44:58 WE COULD GET THAT TOGETHER AND
09/03/09 10:45:01 REBID THIS THING, AND
09/03/09 10:45:01 START
09/03/09 10:45:03 SAVING MONEY EIGHT MONTHS
09/03/09 10:45:04 EARLIER THAN YOU'RE PROPOSING.
09/03/09 10:45:05 IT DOESN'T SEEM TO MAKE SENSE.
09/03/09 10:45:08 >> COUNCILMAN CAETANO,
09/03/09 10:45:09 CAN YOU
09/03/09 10:45:11 GIVE ME THE SEQUENCE OF EVENTS.
09/03/09 10:45:12 WHEN SOMETHING COMES TO THE
09/03/09 10:45:13 MANHATTAN SITE, FROM THERE, IT
09/03/09 10:45:14 GOES TO ANOTHER SITE?
09/03/09 10:45:17 >> YES, ALL THE STUFF THAT'S
09/03/09 10:45:18 COLLECTED AT MANHATTAN --
09/03/09 10:45:21 >> MANHATTAN IS THE FIRST SITE
09/03/09 10:45:22 THAT THE STUFF GOES TO.
09/03/09 10:45:23 >> POSSIBLY.
09/03/09 10:45:25 THERE ARE SEVERAL WAYS, AS I
09/03/09 10:45:26 EXPLAINED, PEOPLE CAN TAKE STUFF
09/03/09 10:45:27 TO THE MANHATTAN SITE.
09/03/09 10:45:30 WE CAN PICK STUFF UP AT THEIR
09/03/09 10:45:33 HOUSE, OR THEY CAN TAKE IT
09/03/09 10:45:35 DIRECTLY TO THE McKAY BAY
09/03/09 10:45:35 TRANSFER FACILITY.
09/03/09 10:45:37 >> McKAY IS THE SECOND STEP?
09/03/09 10:45:38 >> PEOPLE
09/03/09 10:45:41 CAN TAKE IT
09/03/09 10:45:42 TO ONE OF
09/03/09 10:45:43 TWO SITES.
09/03/09 10:45:45 THEY CAN TAKE IT DIRECTLY TO
09/03/09 10:45:47 McKAY BAY OR THEY CAN TAKE IT TO
09/03/09 10:45:49 THE MANHATTAN BRUSH SITE IF
09/03/09 10:45:50 THAT'S CONVENIENT FOR THEM.
09/03/09 10:45:52 OR WE PICK IT UP AT THEIR HOUSE.
09/03/09 10:45:53 >> AND THEN THE THIRD SITE,
09/03/09 10:45:55 WHAT IS THE THIRD SITE?
09/03/09 10:45:58 >>
09/03/09 10:46:01 WELL,
09/03/09 10:46:04 THE YARD WASTE THAT
09/03/09 10:46:05 IS
09/03/09 10:46:07 DEPOSITED AT MANHATTAN DOES HAVE
09/03/09 10:46:10 TO BE MOVED TO THE McKAY BAY
09/03/09 10:46:12 FACILITY, AND FROM THERE, OUR
09/03/09 10:46:14 CONTRACTOR TAKES IT TO THE
09/03/09 10:46:15 FALCONBERG FACILITY.
09/03/09 10:46:18 >> WE'RE
09/03/09 10:46:19 HANDLING THAT SAME
09/03/09 10:46:20 PILE OF JUNK THREE TIMES.
09/03/09 10:46:23 >> WE'RE HANDLING IT
09/03/09 10:46:25 TWICE,
09/03/09 10:46:26 CORRECT.
09/03/09 10:46:29 AND THAT'S PART OF WHAT WE
09/03/09 10:46:29 WILL
09/03/09 10:46:31 BE LOOKING AT THE NEXT TIME WE
09/03/09 10:46:34 PUT THIS UP FOR BID, IS HAULING
09/03/09 10:46:37 THIS DIRECTLY TO FALCONBERG OR
09/03/09 10:46:38 TO ANOTHER POTENTIAL DUMP SITE
09/03/09 10:46:40 OR SITE THAT IT COULD BE
09/03/09 10:46:40 DISPOSED OF.
09/03/09 10:46:42 >> THE CITY IS INVOLVED TWICE
09/03/09 10:46:45 IN REMOVING THE SAME STUFF FROM
09/03/09 10:46:47 ONE SITE TO ANOTHER AT OUR
09/03/09 10:46:50 EXPENSE BEFORE WE DISPOSE OF IT
09/03/09 10:46:50 TO THE THIRD SITE?
09/03/09 10:46:53 >> NO,
09/03/09 10:46:54 SIR.
09/03/09 10:46:56 CURRENTLY, WE, THE CITY, HAUL IT
09/03/09 10:46:59 FROM MANHATTAN TO THE McKAY BAY
09/03/09 10:46:59 SITE.
09/03/09 10:47:02 OUR CONTRACTOR TAKES IT TO FALL
09/03/09 10:47:03 CANBERG.
09/03/09 10:47:04 SO THE CITY HANDLES IT, REMOVES
09/03/09 10:47:05 IT ONCE.
09/03/09 10:47:08 AND THEN THE CONTRACTOR MOVES IT
09/03/09 10:47:09 THE SECOND TIME.
09/03/09 10:47:12 >> AND HOW LONG IS THAT
09/03/09 10:47:13 CONTRACT FOR?
09/03/09 10:47:16 >> I
09/03/09 10:47:19 DON'T --
09/03/09 10:47:25 >> IT'S ONE YEAR WITH AN OPTION
09/03/09 10:47:26 TO RENEW.
09/03/09 10:47:28 THE REASON WE'RE LOOKING AT IT
09/03/09 10:47:31 IS, IF I MAY,
09/03/09 10:47:34 THE LAST TIME THE
09/03/09 10:47:37 CONTRACT AT THE TRANSFER STATION
09/03/09 10:47:40 WAS COMPETITIVELY BID WAS
09/03/09 10:47:40 2001,
09/03/09 10:47:42 SO THE PROCESSES OF BEING
09/03/09 10:47:44 EFFICIENT AND EFFECTIVE FOR THE
09/03/09 10:47:46 CITY, WE ARE LOOKING AT HOW WE
09/03/09 10:47:48 CAN DO THESE THINGS SMARTLY.
09/03/09 10:47:49 TO HAVE MULTIPLE HAULING
09/03/09 10:47:51 CONTRACTS WHEN THERE'S AN
09/03/09 10:47:53 OPPORTUNITY TO GAIN EFFICIENCIES
09/03/09 10:47:56 AND EFFECTIVENESS FROM TAKING
09/03/09 10:47:57 THAT WHOLE OPERATION AND LOOKING
09/03/09 10:47:59 AT IT AND GAINING THE
09/03/09 10:48:01 EFFICIENCIES THROUGHOUT THAT
09/03/09 10:48:01 WHOLE PROCESS.
09/03/09 10:48:04 >> THIS BID HAS BEEN IN EFFECT
09/03/09 10:48:05 SINCE 2001, THE SAME BID?
09/03/09 10:48:08 >> THIS
09/03/09 10:48:09 CONTRACT.
09/03/09 10:48:10 CORRECT.
09/03/09 10:48:12 >> TO ME, IT DOESN'T SOUND
09/03/09 10:48:13 RIGHT.
09/03/09 10:48:16 MR. CHAIRMAN, CAN WE CALL
09/03/09 10:48:16 UP THE
09/03/09 10:48:18 GENTLEMEN OF PETE AND RON'S TREE
09/03/09 10:48:18 SERVICE?
09/03/09 10:48:20 >> WELL, I THINK THE RULE IS
09/03/09 10:48:23 THAT
09/03/09 10:48:24 DURING STAFF REPORT,
09/03/09 10:48:27 COUNSEL, DO YOU WANT TO --CAN
09/03/09 10:48:27 WE DO THAT?
09/03/09 10:48:30 >> IT'S COUNCIL'S
09/03/09 10:48:31 DISCRETION.
09/03/09 10:48:34 NORMALLY, THE ANSWER IS
09/03/09 10:48:35 NO.
09/03/09 10:48:36 UNLESS COUNCIL BY UNANIMOUS
09/03/09 10:48:36 CONSENT.
09/03/09 10:48:38 >> I GUESS IN YOUR RULES IS
09/03/09 10:48:40 THAT YOU GENERALLY DON'T TAKE
09/03/09 10:48:41 PUBLIC COMMENTS ON STAFF REPORT.
09/03/09 10:48:42 THAT IS MY UNDERSTANDING.
09/03/09 10:48:42 >> THAT'S CORRECT.
09/03/09 10:48:44 >> SO I WOULD PREFER WE ADHERE
09/03/09 10:48:46 TO THAT, OKAY.
09/03/09 10:48:49 >> MR. CHAIRMAN, WE HAVE
09/03/09 10:48:49 GOT A
09/03/09 10:48:51 BID SINCE 2001, AND WE'RE RIGHT
09/03/09 10:48:52 AROUND THE CORNER FROM 2010.
09/03/09 10:48:54 I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT WE STILL
09/03/09 10:48:58 ARE USING THAT SAME BID
09/03/09 10:48:58 FOR
09/03/09 10:48:59 EIGHT YEARS.
09/03/09 10:49:00 IT DOESN'T SEEM RIGHT WITH ALL
09/03/09 10:49:02 THE TRUCKS SITTING AROUND IN ALL
09/03/09 10:49:03 THESE YARDS, PEOPLE NOT WORKING,
09/03/09 10:49:06 AND WE HAVE SOME PEOPLE WHO ARE
09/03/09 10:49:07 WILLING TO GIVE US A COMPROMISE,
09/03/09 10:49:09 AND I THINK WE NEED TO LISTEN TO
09/03/09 10:49:09 THEM.
09/03/09 10:49:12 >> THE ONLY PROBLEM WITH THAT
09/03/09 10:49:15 IS THAT COUNCIL HAS NO RIGHT
09/03/09 10:49:16 TO
09/03/09 10:49:17 NEGOTIATE WITH ANY VENDOR.
09/03/09 10:49:18 >> I DON'T WANT TO ATTEMPT TO
09/03/09 10:49:18 NEGOTIATE.
09/03/09 10:49:21 >> WE HAVE TO --THE CHARTER
09/03/09 10:49:21 IS
09/03/09 10:49:24 THE ISSUE HERE, AND COUNCIL MAY
09/03/09 10:49:25 WANT TO --THE CITY ATTORNEY MAY
09/03/09 10:49:26 WANT TO ADDRESS THAT.
09/03/09 10:49:28 BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO
09/03/09 10:49:30 WHERE WE START ALLOWING THE
09/03/09 10:49:31 PUBLIC TO COME IN AND NEGOTIATE
09/03/09 10:49:33 WITH US RIGHT HERE.
09/03/09 10:49:34 THAT'S BEYOND OUR PURVIEW.
09/03/09 10:49:34 THAT'S THE ISSUE.
09/03/09 10:49:37 >> CHIP FLETCHER, CITY
09/03/09 10:49:38 ATTORNEY.
09/03/09 10:49:41 THAT'S EXACTLY CORRECT, CHAIRMAN
09/03/09 10:49:41 SCOTT.
09/03/09 10:49:43 AND THE CITY STAFF HAS BEEN
09/03/09 10:49:46 WORKING FOR SOME TIME ON
09/03/09 10:49:46 VARIOUS
09/03/09 10:49:48 ASPECTS AROUND THIS TYPE OF AN
09/03/09 10:49:50 ISSUE RELATED TO USE, HAULING,
09/03/09 10:49:53 AND DISPOSAL OF YARD WASTE.
09/03/09 10:49:55 AND IN ONE INSTANCE, TRYING TO
09/03/09 10:49:57 GET SOMETHING DONE FAIRLY
09/03/09 10:49:58 QUICKLY, UNFORTUNATELY BECAUSE
09/03/09 10:50:01 OF THE DESIRE TO MOVE QUICKLY,
09/03/09 10:50:03 WE'VE HAD PROBLEMS WITH THE BID
09/03/09 10:50:05 AND IN AT LEAST TWO INSTANCES I
09/03/09 10:50:07 HAVE BEEN INVOLVED WITH HAD TO
09/03/09 10:50:08 PULL IT BACK BECAUSE WHAT WAS
09/03/09 10:50:10 BID WAS NOT CLEAR ENOUGH FOR THE
09/03/09 10:50:12 VENDORS TO PROPERLY BID ON AND
09/03/09 10:50:13 HAD OTHER ISSUES WITH IT.
09/03/09 10:50:16 SO IT IS IMPORTANT THAT THESE
09/03/09 10:50:18 THINGS BE DONE METHODICALLY AND
09/03/09 10:50:20 THOROUGHLY SO WHEN IT GETS DONE,
09/03/09 10:50:22 IT'S DONE RIGHT, AND WE DON'T
09/03/09 10:50:23 HAVE ISSUES OR OTHER TYPES OF
09/03/09 10:50:25 PROBLEMS WITH GOING FORWARD WITH
09/03/09 10:50:27 THE BID.
09/03/09 10:50:29 SO IT IS COMPLICATED.
09/03/09 10:50:30 WE HAVE VARIOUS DIFFERENT ISSUES
09/03/09 10:50:33 FOR HOW THESE ARE BID,
09/03/09 10:50:34 TRUCK
09/03/09 10:50:35 SIZES, MILEAGE, COST, FUEL
09/03/09 10:50:37 COSTS, ALL KIND OF DIFFERENT
09/03/09 10:50:39 PARTS, THAT IT IS IMPORTANT THEY
09/03/09 10:50:40 MOVE THROUGH METHODICALLY AND
09/03/09 10:50:42 MAKE SURE IT'S DONE RIGHT SO
09/03/09 10:50:44 ULTIMATELY WE HAVE A LEGAL AND
09/03/09 10:50:47 DEFENSIBLE BID AND GOING THROUGH
09/03/09 10:50:48 AN RFP OR A BID PROCESS IS THE
09/03/09 10:50:50 APPROPRIATE WAY TO GO HERE.
09/03/09 10:50:53 SO I JUST WANTED KIND OF TO GIVE
09/03/09 10:50:54 YOU THAT INFORMATION AND
09/03/09 10:50:55 BACKGROUND, THAT IT IS SOMETHING
09/03/09 10:50:57 STAFF HAS BEEN WORKING ON FOR
09/03/09 10:50:58 SOME TIME, BUT THEY ARE STILL
09/03/09 10:51:00 WORKING ON IT, AND THEY WILL BE
09/03/09 10:51:02 DILIGENT ON IT, I SUSPECT, BASED
09/03/09 10:51:03 ON MY PAST EXPERIENCE WITH THEM
09/03/09 10:51:04 OVER THE LAST SIX MONTHS.
09/03/09 10:51:07 >>
09/03/09 10:51:08 OKAY.
09/03/09 10:51:11 >> I HAVE COUNCILMAN
09/03/09 10:51:13 DINGFELDER, MULHEM, AND THEN
09/03/09 10:51:13 SAUL-SENA.
09/03/09 10:51:15 >> THANK YOU.
09/03/09 10:51:17 >> STEVE, WE HEARD THAT THE
09/03/09 10:51:19 CONTRACT WITH WASTE SERVICES HAS
09/03/09 10:51:21 BEEN IN PLACE FOR QUITE A WHILE,
09/03/09 10:51:23 BUT I DON'T THINK THERE WAS A
09/03/09 10:51:26 CLEAR ANSWER AS TO
09/03/09 10:51:29 WHEN IT
09/03/09 10:51:29 EXPIRES.
09/03/09 10:51:32 >> WE CAN
09/03/09 10:51:33 DETERMINE WHEN THE
09/03/09 10:51:34 CURRENT YEAR EXPIRES, WE CAN
09/03/09 10:51:35 FIND THAT OUT.
09/03/09 10:51:37 >> I MEAN, JOE ASKED A
09/03/09 10:51:38 QUESTION, AND I THINK IT IS
09/03/09 10:51:41 RELEVANT TO
09/03/09 10:51:43 OUR DISCUSSION.
09/03/09 10:51:44 I THINK MR. CAETANO MAKES A GOOD
09/03/09 10:51:46 POINT, WHETHER OR NOT WE DO IT
09/03/09 10:51:49 OURSELVES OR SOMEBODY ELSE DOES
09/03/09 10:51:50 IT, IT'S BEING MOVED TWICE, AND
09/03/09 10:51:52 OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE GOING TO TRY
09/03/09 10:51:55 AND CURE THAT IN THE
09/03/09 10:51:56 NEXT GO
09/03/09 10:51:59 ROUND, AND A
09/03/09 10:51:59 BETTER SYSTEM.
09/03/09 10:52:02 BUT I DID HAVE A QUESTION FOR
09/03/09 10:52:03 YOU, TANIA, THE TOTAL BUDGET,
09/03/09 10:52:06 WHAT IS OUR TOTAL
09/03/09 10:52:09 BUDGET FOR
09/03/09 10:52:09 THIS WHOLE MULCHING, MANHATTAN,
09/03/09 10:52:11 WE HAVE A PERSON WHO SITS OUT
09/03/09 10:52:13 THERE, AND THEN YOU HAVE TO PAY
09/03/09 10:52:16 CITY STAFF TO MOVE IT.
09/03/09 10:52:19 IT'S PROBABLY A LOSER ALL
09/03/09 10:52:19 AROUND.
09/03/09 10:52:21 I MEAN, YOU DON'T MAKE ANY MONEY
09/03/09 10:52:24 FROM IT PERIOD, OR HARDLY ANY
09/03/09 10:52:27 MONEY, PERIOD, EXCEPT FOR YOUR
09/03/09 10:52:29 TIPPING FEE OVER AT McKAY BAY.
09/03/09 10:52:32 WHAT IS OUR BUDGET FOR MULCH AND
09/03/09 10:52:35 GRASS AND EVERYTHING ELSE,
09/03/09 10:52:38 EXCLUDING THE --I'M NOT TALKING
09/03/09 10:52:39 ABOUT PICKING UP THE AT THE
09/03/09 10:52:40 CURB.
09/03/09 10:52:40 I'M TALKING ABOUT THE OTHER
09/03/09 10:52:41 FACILITIES.
09/03/09 10:52:42 >> RIGHT NOW, I HAVE TWO
09/03/09 10:52:45 EMPLOYEES THAT WORK AT THE
09/03/09 10:52:48 MANHATTAN BRUSH SITE, AND REALLY
09/03/09 10:52:49 AND TRULY WITH REGARD TO THAT,
09/03/09 10:52:50 THAT IS PRETTY MUCH THE EXPENSE
09/03/09 10:52:51 OF IT.
09/03/09 10:52:53 I DON'T HAVE THE BUDGET ITEMS
09/03/09 10:52:54 FOR THE MANHATTAN BRUSH SITE
09/03/09 10:52:57 HERE WITH ME
09/03/09 10:52:58 RIGHT NOW.
09/03/09 10:53:00 BUT I DON'T --THE ISSUES THAT
09/03/09 10:53:02 WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AS WE LOOK
09/03/09 10:53:03 AT BRUSH, AS STEVE MENTIONED
09/03/09 10:53:05 EARLIER, WHEN WE LOOK AT HOW WE
09/03/09 10:53:07 MANAGE THE YARD WASTE, WE DON'T
09/03/09 10:53:10 JUST LOOK AT THE MANHATTAN BRUSH
09/03/09 10:53:10 SITE.
09/03/09 10:53:12 OUR TOTALS ARE WHAT WE
09/03/09 10:53:13 ACCUMULATE FROM THE THREE WAYS
09/03/09 10:53:14 WE COLLECT IT.
09/03/09 10:53:16 WHEN WE START TALKING ABOUT HOW
09/03/09 10:53:19 WE QUANTIFY THAT, IT'S NOT JUST
09/03/09 10:53:20 THE MANHATTAN BRUSH SITE.
09/03/09 10:53:23 >> BECAUSE CURB SIDE HAS TO BE
09/03/09 10:53:23 A HUGE COMPONENT, RIGHT?
09/03/09 10:53:25 >> YES, COUNCILMAN.
09/03/09 10:53:28 CURB SIDE IS A HUGE COMPONENT.
09/03/09 10:53:31 THEN THE TRANSFER STATION IS THE
09/03/09 10:53:32 NEXT LARGEST, AND THEN OF COURSE
09/03/09 10:53:34 THE DROP OFF SITE FOR THE
09/03/09 10:53:34 CITIZENS.
09/03/09 10:53:37 SO WE LOOK AT ALL OF THAT
09/03/09 10:53:37 COLLECTIVELY.
09/03/09 10:53:40 IT'S NOT A BREAK OUT THAT WE GET
09/03/09 10:53:42 THIS MANY FROM MANHATTAN BRUSH
09/03/09 10:53:42 SITE.
09/03/09 10:53:44 WE LOOK AT THE TOTAL YARD WASTE
09/03/09 10:53:46 THAT WE COLLECT FOR THE CITY,
09/03/09 10:53:47 NOT BROKEN OUT BY --
09/03/09 10:53:50 >> ARE YOU DOING --
09/03/09 10:53:52 RELATED TO
09/03/09 10:53:54 MS. SAUL-SENA'S QUESTION, ARE
09/03/09 10:53:56 YOU DOING THIS ANALYSIS IN
09/03/09 10:53:58 FUTURE SYSTEM IN-HOUSE, OR ARE
09/03/09 10:53:59 YOU USING A CONSULTANT TO FIGURE
09/03/09 10:54:01 OUT THAT THE NEXT WAY TO DO IT?
09/03/09 10:54:04 >> WE'RE DOING THAT IN-HOUSE.
09/03/09 10:54:05 WE'RE USING --
09/03/09 10:54:06 >> ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH
09/03/09 10:54:07 THAT SNR
09/03/09 10:54:09 >> YES.
09/03/09 10:54:12 WE'RE USING
09/03/09 10:54:13 THE EFFECTIVENESS
09/03/09 10:54:15 AND EFFICIENCY TASK FORCE
09/03/09 10:54:16 PROCESS TO LOOK AT HOW WE CAN DO
09/03/09 10:54:17 THIS OPERATION BETTER.
09/03/09 10:54:20 AT SOME POINT PRIOR TO MY
09/03/09 10:54:21 ARRIVAL, THE DISCUSSION ABOUT
09/03/09 10:54:24 HOW TO DO THIS APPARENTLY CAME
09/03/09 10:54:26 UP, AND THEY GOT DEVIATED FROM
09/03/09 10:54:26 IT.
09/03/09 10:54:28 THE CITY KNOWS WE NEED TO DO
09/03/09 10:54:29 SOMETHING DIFFERENT WITH THIS.
09/03/09 10:54:31 NOW WE'RE GOING TO DO IT, BUT WE
09/03/09 10:54:33 WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE LOOK
09/03/09 10:54:35 AT ALL THE FACTORS ASSOCIATED
09/03/09 10:54:37 WITH IT, NOT JUST THE MANHATTAN
09/03/09 10:54:40 BRUSH SITE, TO MAKE SURE WE DO
09/03/09 10:54:43 IT AS CHIP
09/03/09 10:54:43 FLETCHER SAID
09/03/09 10:54:45 METHODICALLY AND MAKE SURE WE
09/03/09 10:54:45 GET IT CORRECTLY DONE.
09/03/09 10:54:46 >> ONE LAST QUESTION,
09/03/09 10:54:47 MR. CHAIRMAN.
09/03/09 10:54:50 IF AND WHEN WE DO --HOPEFULLY
09/03/09 10:54:53 WHEN WE DO AN REF
09/03/09 10:54:55 FP OR A BID AS
09/03/09 10:54:56 SOON AS POSSIBLE, HAVE YOU
09/03/09 10:54:58 ESTIMATED OR THOUGHT ABOUT HOW
09/03/09 10:55:00 MUCH SAVINGS WE MIGHT BE
09/03/09 10:55:00 GETTING?
09/03/09 10:55:02 >> THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING
09/03/09 10:55:05 AT, AND I GOT A BALLPARK FIGURE
09/03/09 10:55:08 JUST FROM THE PRELIMINARY LOOK
09/03/09 10:55:10 AT, IT BUT THERE'S A CAPITAL
09/03/09 10:55:10 INVESTMENT.
09/03/09 10:55:13 WE'RE LOOKING AT WHETHER WE DO
09/03/09 10:55:14 IT.
09/03/09 10:55:15 WE'RE LOOKING AT OPTIONS.
09/03/09 10:55:17 BUT WE BELIEVE BASED ON HOW THE
09/03/09 10:55:19 CONTRACT IS WRITTEN, WE BELIEVE
09/03/09 10:55:22 WE COULD DO CONSERVATIVELY
09/03/09 10:55:25 350,000 IN SAVINGS FOR
09/03/09 10:55:26 THE WHOLE
09/03/09 10:55:27 OPERATION, NOT JUST THE
09/03/09 10:55:27 MANHATTAN BRUSH SITE.
09/03/09 10:55:28 >> OKAY.
09/03/09 10:55:30 AND HAVE YOU HAD CONVERSATIONS
09/03/09 10:55:32 WITH THESE GENTLEMEN WHO ARE
09/03/09 10:55:33 CHOMPING AT THE BIT TO TELL US
09/03/09 10:55:34 HOW THEY CAN DO BETTER?
09/03/09 10:55:35 >> YES, WE HAVE.
09/03/09 10:55:38 >> AND ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE
09/03/09 10:55:39 CONVERSATIONS WITH THE WHOLE
09/03/09 10:55:40 INDUSTRY BEFORE YOU PUT THIS
09/03/09 10:55:40 OUT?
09/03/09 10:55:42 >> WHEN WE PUT IT OUT, WE'RE
09/03/09 10:55:44 GOING TO FOLLOW THE PROCESS THAT
09/03/09 10:55:46 WE NORMALLY DO TO MAKE SURE --
09/03/09 10:55:48 >> I MEANT BEFORE YOU PUT IT
09/03/09 10:55:49 OUT.
09/03/09 10:55:50 >> REQUEST FOR INFORMATION.
09/03/09 10:55:51 WE COULD DO REQUEST FOR
09/03/09 10:55:51 INFORMATION.
09/03/09 10:55:53 >> IT MIGHT BE GOOD BECAUSE
09/03/09 10:55:55 OBVIOUSLY THEY HAVE AROUND DOING
09/03/09 10:55:57 THIS SORT OF THING FOR A LONG
09/03/09 10:55:58 TIME, AND THERE MIGHT BE OTHER
09/03/09 10:55:58 PEOPLE AS WELL.
09/03/09 10:56:00 I KNOW THERE ARE OTHER COMPANIES
09/03/09 10:56:03 OUT THERE, SO MAYBE AN RFI
09/03/09 10:56:04 MIGHT
09/03/09 10:56:07 BE A GOOD WAY TO GO TO GET THEIR
09/03/09 10:56:10 INPUT IN A
09/03/09 10:56:11 METHODICAL MANNER.
09/03/09 10:56:11 STEVE.
09/03/09 10:56:13 >> MAR KRI GOT THE TIME
09/03/09 10:56:15 --MARCY GOT THE TIME THE
09/03/09 10:56:18 CONTRACT WAS AWARDED OR EXTENDED
09/03/09 10:56:20 FOR THREE YEARS IN DECEMBER OF
09/03/09 10:56:20 2008.
09/03/09 10:56:21 AGAIN, WE DON'T HAVE TO WAIT
09/03/09 10:56:23 UNTIL THE END OF THAT.
09/03/09 10:56:25 AGAIN, WE HAVE LOOKED AT THE
09/03/09 10:56:28 SCHEDULE, OUR SCHEDULE, AND
09/03/09 10:56:28 OUR
09/03/09 10:56:30 OTHER REQUIREMENTS, AND IT WOULD
09/03/09 10:56:31 BE SPRING OF 2010 THAT WE WOULD
09/03/09 10:56:33 LIKE TO GET THIS OUT ON THE
09/03/09 10:56:34 STREET.
09/03/09 10:56:36 IT'S NOT A SIMPLE THING --
09/03/09 10:56:38 >> HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THE
09/03/09 10:56:38 RFI OPPORTUNITY?
09/03/09 10:56:41 MAYB E JUST TO GET SOME
09/03/09 10:56:44 INPUT
09/03/09 10:56:44 IN A METHODICAL WAY?
09/03/09 10:56:48 >> TYPICALLY YOU GO AN
09/03/09 10:56:49 RFI TO
09/03/09 10:56:52 GAIN INFORMATION WHEN YOU DON'T
09/03/09 10:56:55 THINK YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT
09/03/09 10:56:55 IT.
09/03/09 10:56:58 THE RFI PROCESS WILL EXTEND THE
09/03/09 10:57:01 TIME BEFORE YOU REBID
09/03/09 10:57:01 THIS.
09/03/09 10:57:01 SO --
09/03/09 10:57:03 >> I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT.
09/03/09 10:57:06 YOU DO AN RFI NOW JUST TO GATHER
09/03/09 10:57:08 INFORMATION, SAY WHAT ARE YOUR
09/03/09 10:57:09 IDEAS, THAT WOULDN'T SEEM TO
09/03/09 10:57:10 PUSH YOU FURTHER BACK IN THE
09/03/09 10:57:11 SPRING.
09/03/09 10:57:12 >> CERTAINLY, SOMEBODY STILL
09/03/09 10:57:15 HAS TO PUT OUT THAT --DEVELOP
09/03/09 10:57:18 AND PUT OUT THAT RFI, PURCHASING
09/03/09 10:57:21 DEPARTMENT WOULD HAVE TO
09/03/09 10:57:22 --
09/03/09 10:57:25 >> COUNCILWOMAN MULHEM AND
09/03/09 10:57:25 COUNCILWOMAN SAUL-SENA.
09/03/09 10:57:27 >> I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED
09/03/09 10:57:29 BECAUSE YOU SAID THIS CONTRACT
09/03/09 10:57:32 WAS RENEWED IN DECEMBER 2008.
09/03/09 10:57:33 IS THAT RIGHT?
09/03/09 10:57:35 >> MARCY JUST --YES.
09/03/09 10:57:36 >> DID COUNCIL SIGN OFF ON
09/03/09 10:57:37 THAT?
09/03/09 10:57:38 >> SURE.
09/03/09 10:57:39 IT WOULD HAVE TO, YES.
09/03/09 10:57:42 >> OKAY, WHAT I RECALL, AND I
09/03/09 10:57:44 BELIEVE IT WAS SINCE THEN, AND I
09/03/09 10:57:45 THINK MAYBE MR. FLETCHER
09/03/09 10:57:48 REFERRED TO THIS, BUT
09/03/09 10:57:51 THERE WAS
09/03/09 10:57:54 AN RFP, RIGHT?
09/03/09 10:57:57 THERE WAS
09/03/09 10:57:58 A REQUEST AND THERE
09/03/09 10:57:59 WAS A BID.
09/03/09 10:58:01 >> THAT WAS ON THE FINAL WASTE
09/03/09 10:58:02 END STREAM OF IT.
09/03/09 10:58:05 >> THAT WAS
09/03/09 10:58:06 FOR ANOTHER
09/03/09 10:58:06 LOCATION.
09/03/09 10:58:07 >> OKAY.
09/03/09 10:58:09 >> THAT WAS A DUMP SITE
09/03/09 10:58:11 EXCLUSIVELY, RATHER THAN GOING
09/03/09 10:58:12 TO FALCONBERG, AND THAT'S PART
09/03/09 10:58:16 OF OUR FRUSTRATION IS DOING
09/03/09 10:58:17 THIS
09/03/09 10:58:18 IN PIECES.
09/03/09 10:58:20 WE HAVE A PIECE HERE, A PIECE
09/03/09 10:58:21 HERE, AND A PIECE HERE.
09/03/09 10:58:21 THAT'S A PROBLEM.
09/03/09 10:58:24 >> BUT YOU HAVE PIECES STARTING
09/03/09 10:58:26 OUT IN DIFFERENT DROP OFF
09/03/09 10:58:29 LOCATIONS, BUT THEN YOU
09/03/09 10:58:30 HAVE GOT
09/03/09 10:58:31 THEM GOING McKAY BAY, AND THEN
09/03/09 10:58:32 GOING TO THE COUNTY.
09/03/09 10:58:35 AND I DO RECALL THAT THERE WAS
09/03/09 10:58:35 A
09/03/09 10:58:38 COMPANY THAT WANTED TO BUY THE
09/03/09 10:58:40 REFUSE FROM US AND TAKE IT
09/03/09 10:58:43 DIRECTLY, AND I THINK THAT
09/03/09 10:58:46 THE
09/03/09 10:58:48 REQUEST FOR INFORMATION NEEDS TO
09/03/09 10:58:49 SPECIFY THAT WE HAVE TO CUT OUT
09/03/09 10:58:51 SOME OF THESE STEPS.
09/03/09 10:58:53 I MEAN, THERE'S NO WAY THAT IT
09/03/09 10:58:56 CAN BE CHEAPER TO HAVE TO
09/03/09 10:58:56 MOVE
09/03/09 10:58:59 THE SAME STUFF TWICE.
09/03/09 10:59:00 SO I THINK THAT'S IT.
09/03/09 10:59:01 WE HAVE TO STOP DOING THAT.
09/03/09 10:59:03 >> WE AGREE.
09/03/09 10:59:05 >> BUT WE HAVE BEEN TALKING
09/03/09 10:59:08 ABOUT THIS FOR QUITE SOME TIME,
09/03/09 10:59:11 SINCE I HAVE BEEN
09/03/09 10:59:12 AROUND, AND I
09/03/09 10:59:15 DON'T KNOW WHAT COULD BE SO
09/03/09 10:59:15 DIFFICULT.
09/03/09 10:59:18 YOU KNOW, AND WHY DID WE
09/03/09 10:59:20 SIGN A
09/03/09 10:59:21 THREE-YEAR CONTRACT IF, YOU
09/03/09 10:59:23 KNOW, WE KNEW THAT WE HAD A
09/03/09 10:59:23 PROBLEM?
09/03/09 10:59:25 THA T WE NEEDED MORE EFFICIENCY
09/03/09 10:59:27 AND TO SAVE SOME MONEY.
09/03/09 10:59:30 SO I HOPE TO SEE
09/03/09 10:59:33 A REQUEST FOR
09/03/09 10:59:34 INFORMATION THAT SPECIFIES WE'RE
09/03/09 10:59:35 GOING TO CUT OUT SOME OF THOSE
09/03/09 10:59:37 STEPS AND SAVE SOME MONEY, AND
09/03/09 10:59:40 WE'RE GOING TO BE ACTUALLY
09/03/09 10:59:43 RECYCLING BECAUSE
09/03/09 10:59:44 I BELIEVE THE
09/03/09 10:59:46 COUNTY --THE DROP OFF AT THE
09/03/09 10:59:48 COUNTY'S FALCONBERG ROAD, THAT
09/03/09 10:59:50 IS NOT EVEN RECYCLE LED.
09/03/09 10:59:53 WHEREAS WE COULD BE USING
09/03/09 10:59:54 OUR
09/03/09 10:59:55 YARD REFUSE FOR MULCH.
09/03/09 10:59:58 >> THE YARD WASTE THAT THE
09/03/09 11:00:00 COUNTY HAS IS MADE INTO MULCH.
09/03/09 11:00:01 >> IS IT?
09/03/09 11:00:01 >> YES
09/03/09 11:00:02 .
09/03/09 11:00:02 >> OKAY.
09/03/09 11:00:04 >> COUNCILWOMAN SAUL-SENA.
09/03/09 11:00:06 >> OBVIOUSLY COUNCIL IS VERY
09/03/09 11:00:09 INTERESTED IN THIS AND WANTS TO
09/03/09 11:00:11 KEEP ABREAST ON WHAT'S GOING ON.
09/03/09 11:00:12 I WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST STAFF
09/03/09 11:00:14 APPEAR AND REPORT TO US IN
09/03/09 11:00:16 --WHAT WOULD YOU SAY?
09/03/09 11:00:18 JANUAR Y WITH AN UPDATE ON
09/03/09 11:00:20 WHERE ARE WE WITH OUR REQUEST
09/03/09 11:00:22 FOR INFORMATION, THE FORM THAT
09/03/09 11:00:24 THIS IS TAKING, AND I REALLY
09/03/09 11:00:27 --I KNOW THAT YOU'RE BUSY, BUT
09/03/09 11:00:27 FRANKLY, BECAUSE THERE'S LESS
09/03/09 11:00:28 CONSTRUCTION GOING ON IN THE
09/03/09 11:00:30 CITY AND MANY OTHER THINGS, I
09/03/09 11:00:32 KNOW YOU HAVE LESS STAFF ALSO,
09/03/09 11:00:34 BUT IT'S REALLY CRITICAL THAT WE
09/03/09 11:00:36 BE AS SUSTAINABLE AS POSSIBLE,
09/03/09 11:00:37 AND THIS IS CERTAINLY AN AREA
09/03/09 11:00:39 WHERE WE CAN DO BETTER.
09/03/09 11:00:42 SO I'D LIKE TO ASK FOR A REPORT
09/03/09 11:00:44 BACK IN JANUARY FOR STAFF TO
09/03/09 11:00:46 APPEAR AND REPORT BACK AT THE
09/03/09 11:00:47 SECOND COUNCIL MEETING IN
09/03/09 11:00:47 JANUARY.
09/03/09 11:00:49 >> JANUARY 21st, THEN?
09/03/09 11:00:49 >> CORRECT
09/03/09 11:00:49 .
09/03/09 11:00:51 >> IS THERE A SECOND?
09/03/09 11:00:51 >> SECOND
09/03/09 11:00:52 .
09/03/09 11:00:55 >> MOVED BY COUNCILWOMAN
09/03/09 11:00:57 SAUL-SENA, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN
09/03/09 11:00:58 DINGFELDER.
09/03/09 11:01:01 >> AND
09/03/09 11:01:04 MR. CHAIRMAN.
09/03/09 11:01:07 I GOT BACK TO
09/03/09 11:01:09 A TRIP FROM A
09/03/09 11:01:12 COMMUNITY WHO HAD MANDATORY
09/03/09 11:01:12 RECYCLING WHERE CITIZENS ARE
09/03/09 11:01:15 REQUIRED TO BREAK IT DOWN INTO
09/03/09 11:01:17 FIVE DIFFERENT AREAS, PLASTIC,
09/03/09 11:01:18 GLASS, CARDBOARD, AND GAR
09/03/09 11:01:19 DAMAGE, AND YOU KNOW WHAT?
09/03/09 11:01:21 THE Y DID IT, AND I'M CONCERNED
09/03/09 11:01:22 THAT WE ARE NOT BEING AS
09/03/09 11:01:25 FORTHCOMING AS WE CAN BE AND
09/03/09 11:01:28 REQUIRING JUST BASIC RECYCLING
09/03/09 11:01:30 FROM OUR CITIZENS.
09/03/09 11:01:33 OUR STAFF DOES THE WORK IN
09/03/09 11:01:35 BREAKING UP THE RECYCLE LING
09/03/09 11:01:37 MATERIALS INTO THE DIFFERENT
09/03/09 11:01:38 AREAS.
09/03/09 11:01:39 WE'RE JUST ASKING PEOPLE TO PUT
09/03/09 11:01:42 IT OUT IN THE BLUE BOXES, AND
09/03/09 11:01:44 OUR COOPERATION RATE IS LESS
09/03/09 11:01:45 THAN WE HOPE.
09/03/09 11:01:48 SO I WOULD LIKE TO ASK FOR A
09/03/09 11:01:50 REPORT AT OUR SECOND COUNCIL
09/03/09 11:01:52 MEETING IN OCTOBER, STAFF TO
09/03/09 11:01:54 APPEAR AND REPORT, ON WHAT OUR
09/03/09 11:01:55 INITIATIVES ARE GOING TO BE IN
09/03/09 11:01:57 TERMS OF PUBLIC EDUCATION FOR
09/03/09 11:01:58 RECYCLING.
09/03/09 11:02:01 IS THAT A REASONABLE PERIOD OF
09/03/09 11:02:02 TIME, THE SECOND MEETING IN
09/03/09 11:02:02 OCTOBER?
09/03/09 11:02:03 W E HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS
09/03/09 11:02:04 FOR A VERY LONG TIME.
09/03/09 11:02:04 >> SECOND.
09/03/09 11:02:06 >> WE DID A STUDY A WHILE BACK.
09/03/09 11:02:09 >> WE CONTINUE TO WORK ON IT.
09/03/09 11:02:11 >> COUNCILMAN CAETANO.
09/03/09 11:02:14 >>
09/03/09 11:02:15 THAT'S A MOTION, FOR STAFF
09/03/09 11:02:17 TO APPEAR AND MAKE A REPORT ON
09/03/09 11:02:20 HOW WE'RE GOING
09/03/09 11:02:22 TO EXPAND OUR
09/03/09 11:02:23 PUBLIC EDUCATION ON RECYCLING.
09/03/09 11:02:26 >> MINE HAS TO DO WITH
09/03/09 11:02:26 RECYCLING.
09/03/09 11:02:26 >> GO AHEAD.
09/03/09 11:02:30 >> SOME MONTHS AGO, I HAD A
09/03/09 11:02:32 CONSTITUENT WHO LIVES IN MY
09/03/09 11:02:32 DISTRICT.
09/03/09 11:02:35 HE'S BEING SERVICED BY
09/03/09 11:02:36 WASTE
09/03/09 11:02:37 MANAGEMENT.
09/03/09 11:02:40 AND HE WATCHED THE GENTLEMAN
09/03/09 11:02:41 TAKE ALL THE CONTAINERS, THROW
09/03/09 11:02:43 IT ALL IN THE SAME BUCKET, SO I
09/03/09 11:02:46 THEN CALLED UP THE COMPANY THAT
09/03/09 11:02:46 DOES THAT.
09/03/09 11:02:48 I ASKED WHY ARE YOU DOING THAT
09/03/09 11:02:49 IF YOU'RE HAVING THE RESIDENTS
09/03/09 11:02:51 PUT IT IN SEPARATE CONTAINERS?
09/03/09 11:02:54 H E SAID, WE FIND IT'S MORE
09/03/09 11:02:56 EFFICIENT TO TAKE IT TO A PLACE
09/03/09 11:02:59 IN ORLANDO, AND THEY RECYCLE IT
09/03/09 11:02:59 BY HAND.
09/03/09 11:03:01 EVIDENTLY, THEY HAVE A MACHINE
09/03/09 11:03:02 UP THERE, AND PEOPLE WORK ON
09/03/09 11:03:04 THESE MACHINES AND SEPARATE
09/03/09 11:03:04 THEM.
09/03/09 11:03:06 SO THERE'S NO SENSE IN THE
09/03/09 11:03:08 PEOPLE IN THAT PART OF THE
09/03/09 11:03:09 DISTRICT USING THOSE CONTAINERS
09/03/09 11:03:11 BECAUSE IT'S NOT WORKING.
09/03/09 11:03:14 BECAUSE THEY FIND IT'S MORE
09/03/09 11:03:15 EFFICIENT TO RECYCLE IT WHEN IT
09/03/09 11:03:17 GETS UP TO ORLANDO.
09/03/09 11:03:20 AND THIS IS WHAT I WAS TOLD
09/03/09 11:03:21 BY
09/03/09 11:03:21 WASTE MANAGEMENT.
09/03/09 11:03:23 >> FIRST OF ALL, THAT IS
09/03/09 11:03:26 SERVICED BY THE COUNTY, AND IT
09/03/09 11:03:29 IS A
09/03/09 11:03:29 CONSTANT TRADE-OFF, AND
09/03/09 11:03:32 IT'S DEPENDENT ON THE RESALE
09/03/09 11:03:35 VALUE OF THE VARIOUS RECYCLED
09/03/09 11:03:35 MATERIALS.
09/03/09 11:03:36 SOMETIMES IT IS BETTER
09/03/09 11:03:38 --SOMETIMES YOU GET A BETTER
09/03/09 11:03:39 DEAL IF YOU SEPARATE THE GLASS
09/03/09 11:03:41 FROM THE PLASTIC FROM THE PAPER.
09/03/09 11:03:42 SOMETIMES IT IS A BETTER DEAL
09/03/09 11:03:44 FOR YOU IF YOU PUT IT ALL IN ONE
09/03/09 11:03:46 BIN AND SEND IT OFF.
09/03/09 11:03:49 AGAIN, IT'S A CONSTANT
09/03/09 11:03:51 CHANGE IN
09/03/09 11:03:52 RECYCLABLES COST AND WHAT YOU'RE
09/03/09 11:03:54 GOING TO GET BACK REVENUE FROM
09/03/09 11:03:55 THE RECYCLABLES.
09/03/09 11:03:56 >> OKAY.
09/03/09 11:03:59 THERE'S A MOTION ON THE FLOOR.
09/03/09 11:04:01 MOVED AND SECONDED.
09/03/09 11:04:03 ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
09/03/09 11:04:03 >> GREAT.
09/03/09 11:04:06 >>
09/03/09 11:04:07 THANK YOU.
09/03/09 11:04:10 LET ME MOVE TO ITEM 81,
09/03/09 11:04:12 HAVE THE
09/03/09 11:04:12 MAJOR COME FORWARD.
09/03/09 11:04:15 I WOULD SUGGEST IN THE FUTURE
09/03/09 11:04:17 WHEN WE HAVE HIGH PROFILE STAFF
09/03/09 11:04:19 FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, WE
09/03/09 11:04:21 PROBABLY SHOULD MOVE THEM UP
09/03/09 11:04:21 FRONT AHEAD.
09/03/09 11:04:24 I JUST DIDN'T REALIZE THE ITEM
09/03/09 11:04:25 WAS GOING TO GO AS LONG AS IT
09/03/09 11:04:25 DID.
09/03/09 11:04:27 >> HOW IS IT GOING TO MAKE
09/03/09 11:04:32 OTHER STAFF FEEL?
09/03/09 11:04:37 >> THEY ARE PROVIDING
09/03/09 11:04:40 PROTECTION FOR THE COMMUNITY.
09/03/09 11:04:40 YES, SIR, MAJOR.
09/03/09 11:04:43 >> OUR
09/03/09 11:04:46 POSITION ON THE SOFT
09/03/09 11:04:48 LETTER NOISE ORDINANCE HASN'T
09/03/09 11:04:49 CHANGED.
09/03/09 11:04:52 I SPOKE TO THE LEGAL
09/03/09 11:04:53 DEPARTMENT,
09/03/09 11:04:55 AND THEY SAID THEY DON'T RECEIVE
09/03/09 11:04:57 MUCH ACTIVITY ON IT, AND IT
09/03/09 11:04:59 HASN'T REDUCED ANY TYPE OF CALLS
09/03/09 11:05:00 OR COMPLAINTS.
09/03/09 11:05:02 THEY HAD NO STATISTICAL DATA TO
09/03/09 11:05:05 SHOW IT'S USEFUL IN THAT MANNER.
09/03/09 11:05:08 I TALKED TO ANOTHER
09/03/09 11:05:09 POLICE
09/03/09 11:05:10 DEPARTMENT AT HER DIRECTION, AS
09/03/09 11:05:13 WELL, AND THEY WERE MORE
09/03/09 11:05:14 ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT THE PROGRAM.
09/03/09 11:05:16 THEY GET ABOUT 10 LETTERS OUT A
09/03/09 11:05:18 WEEK, AND THEY ARE A QUARTER OF
09/03/09 11:05:20 THE SIZE OF US.
09/03/09 11:05:22 WE WOULD NEED TO DO 160 LETTERS
09/03/09 11:05:23 A MONTH.
09/03/09 11:05:26 SHE COULD NOT PROVIDE ANY DID
09/03/09 11:05:26 A
09/03/09 11:05:27 DID A TO ME.
09/03/09 11:05:30 THE PERSON I SPOKE
09/03/09 11:05:31 TO SAID IT
09/03/09 11:05:34 WAS WELL-RECEIVED IN THE
09/03/09 11:05:34 COMMUNITY.
09/03/09 11:05:35 ST. PETERSBURG POLICE DEPARTMENT
09/03/09 11:05:37 I SPOKE TO LAST TIME, I REPORTED
09/03/09 11:05:38 THAT TO YOU.
09/03/09 11:05:39 THEY GAVE ME SOME MORE INSIGHT.
09/03/09 11:05:41 THEY SAID THEY HAVE 35% OF ALL
09/03/09 11:05:43 THE COMPLAINTS ARE COMING IN
09/03/09 11:05:45 FROM THE SAME PERSON IN THE SAME
09/03/09 11:05:47 NEIGHBORHOOD, AND IT WAS USED AS
09/03/09 11:05:49 A HARASSMENT TYPE OF THING, THEY
09/03/09 11:05:49 THOUGHT.
09/03/09 11:05:51 SO THEY HAVE INSTITUTE AD POLICY
09/03/09 11:05:52 THAT THEY DON'T SEND MORE THAN
09/03/09 11:05:53 THREE LETTERS TO THE SAME CAR
09/03/09 11:05:55 OWNER BECAUSE OF THE PROBLEM
09/03/09 11:05:56 THEY WERE HAVING.
09/03/09 11:05:59 WHILE WE UNDERSTAND THE
09/03/09 11:06:00 COMMUNITY'S CONCERN, IT HASN'T
09/03/09 11:06:03 FALLEN ON DEAF EARS, WE HAVE
09/03/09 11:06:04 INCREASED OUR ENFORCEMENT 61%.
09/03/09 11:06:06 I CAN TELL YOU THAT FROM JANUARY
09/03/09 11:06:09 TO AUGUST OF 2008, WE WROTE 836
09/03/09 11:06:11 CITATIONS FOR LOUD MUSIC FROM
09/03/09 11:06:12 VEHICLES.
09/03/09 11:06:15 AND FROM JANUARY
09/03/09 11:06:16 TO AUGUST 2009,
09/03/09 11:06:18 WE HAVE WRITTEN 1348.
09/03/09 11:06:19 SO YOUR ACTIONS BY ENDING A
09/03/09 11:06:20 LETTER TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT,
09/03/09 11:06:22 THE COMMUNITY LETTING US KNOW
09/03/09 11:06:24 HOW THEY FEEL HAS CERTAINLY
09/03/09 11:06:26 CAUSED A MAJOR INCREASE IN
09/03/09 11:06:27 ENFORCEMENT, AND WE THINK IF WE
09/03/09 11:06:29 CONTINUE WITH THE PATTERN OF
09/03/09 11:06:30 ENFORCEMENT AND EDUCATION, WE
09/03/09 11:06:33 CAN FIX IT IN A MORE EFFICIENT
09/03/09 11:06:36 MANNER THAN THE SOFT LETTER
09/03/09 11:06:36 NOISE ORDINANCE.
09/03/09 11:06:38 >> HOW MANY OF THOSE LETTERS
09/03/09 11:06:38 WERE REPEAT OFFENDERS?
09/03/09 11:06:41 D O YOU KEEP A RECORD OF
09/03/09 11:06:43 --?
09/03/09 11:06:44 CITATIONS , YOU MEAN?
09/03/09 11:06:45 >> YES.
09/03/09 11:06:47 >> I HAVE NO IDEA WHETHER THEY
09/03/09 11:06:49 ARE GETTING MORE THAN ONE.
09/03/09 11:06:49 THE CITATIONS, THE TICKETS?
09/03/09 11:06:52 >> YOU HAVE NO TRACKING METHOD?
09/03/09 11:06:52 >> THE
09/03/09 11:06:55 CLERK OF THE --THE
09/03/09 11:06:57 TRAFFIC DIVISION, THE CLERK OF
09/03/09 11:06:59 THE SIRKTED COURT RECEIVES ALL
09/03/09 11:07:01 THE CITATIONS WE WRITE, AND WE
09/03/09 11:07:04 KEEP THE INFORMATION
09/03/09 11:07:06 IN A
09/03/09 11:07:06 DATABASE.
09/03/09 11:07:07 I COULD QUERY THAT.
09/03/09 11:07:09 >> IF YOU SEND A GUY FIVE
09/03/09 11:07:11 LETTERS, IT'S ABOUT TIME YOU
09/03/09 11:07:12 MAKE A PERSONAL VISIT TO HIM
09/03/09 11:07:14 RATHER THAN SEND HIM ANOTHER
09/03/09 11:07:15 LETTER.
09/03/09 11:07:16 HE MAY BE THROWING IT IN THE
09/03/09 11:07:17 GARBAGE.
09/03/09 11:07:20 >> I'M
09/03/09 11:07:22 SOMEWHAT CONFUSED.
09/03/09 11:07:25 WE DON'T HAVE
09/03/09 11:07:28 A LETTER
09/03/09 11:07:28 PROGRAM.
09/03/09 11:07:31 WE HAVE ISSUED HIM FIVE TICKETS.
09/03/09 11:07:34 THAT WOULD BE UNORTHODOX, I
09/03/09 11:07:34 THINK.
09/03/09 11:07:36 >> IF THEY DON'T PAY IT, THEY
09/03/09 11:07:36 LOSE THEIR LICENSE.
09/03/09 11:07:39 >> I GUESS THE QUESTION IS, THE
09/03/09 11:07:42 CITATIONS, IT SEEMS THAT IT'S
09/03/09 11:07:43 IMPROVING BASED ON THE NUMBERS
09/03/09 11:07:45 YOU QUOTED TODAY.
09/03/09 11:07:46 WHAT IS THE FINE THAT THEY HAVE
09/03/09 11:07:46 TO PAY?
09/03/09 11:07:47 D O YOU KNOW?
09/03/09 11:07:50 >> IT'S A NONMOVING
09/03/09 11:07:51 INFRACTION
09/03/09 11:07:52 WITH $101 FINE.
09/03/09 11:07:55 >>
09/03/09 11:07:57 WOW, OKAY.
09/03/09 11:08:00 >> CAN
09/03/09 11:08:01 YOU TELL HOW MANY IN A
09/03/09 11:08:02 CERTAIN HEAR?
09/03/09 11:08:04 >> I HAVE THEM BROKEN DOWN BY
09/03/09 11:08:05 DISTRICT.
09/03/09 11:08:08 THERE'S A 40% INCREASE IN
09/03/09 11:08:10 DISTRICT 1 IN ENFORCEMENT.
09/03/09 11:08:11 >> TELL FOLKS WHAT DISTRICT 1.
09/03/09 11:08:13 >> THAT'S THE WEST SIDE.
09/03/09 11:08:15 THE WEST SIDE OF THE CITY FROM
09/03/09 11:08:18 HILLSBORO ALL THE WAY DOWN TO
09/03/09 11:08:20 McDILL, AND IT'S BORDERED BY THE
09/03/09 11:08:22 RIVER ON THE EAST SIDE.
09/03/09 11:08:25 DISTRICT 2,
09/03/09 11:08:27 THERE'S A 90.5%
09/03/09 11:08:28 ENFORCEMENT INCREASE, AND
09/03/09 11:08:30 DISTRICT 2 IS THE NORTH SIDE.
09/03/09 11:08:32 IT HAS NEW TAMPA ALL THE WAY
09/03/09 11:08:34 DOWN TO HILLSBORO AVENUE, AND
09/03/09 11:08:36 THERE'S A 58.7 INCREASE IN
09/03/09 11:08:39 DISTRICT 3, WHICH IS ON THE EAST
09/03/09 11:08:42 SIDE, WHICH HAS EAST TAMPA
09/03/09 11:08:43 AND
09/03/09 11:08:44 DOWNTOWN, CHANNELSIDE.
09/03/09 11:08:46 AND SPECIAL OPERATIONS, THE
09/03/09 11:08:48 TRAFFIC SQUAD WHICH ENFORCES ALL
09/03/09 11:08:50 OVER THE CITY HAS INCREASED
09/03/09 11:08:50 THEIRS 33%.
09/03/09 11:08:52 >> PRETTY GOOD.
09/03/09 11:08:55 >> COUNCILWOMAN SAWL SENTENCE.
09/03/09 11:08:56 UL-SENA.
09/03/09 11:08:58 >> I'M PLEASED TO HEAR THAT YOU
09/03/09 11:09:01 HAVE INCREASED THE CITATIONS.
09/03/09 11:09:04 IT UNDERSCORES THE ISSUE THAT
09/03/09 11:09:06 THE GENTLEMAN BROUGHT TO US,
09/03/09 11:09:08 THERE WAS A PROBLEM.
09/03/09 11:09:11 WHEN WE FIRST STARTED THIS
09/03/09 11:09:14 ISSUE, IT SEEMED LIKE A TRIVIAL
09/03/09 11:09:16 THING, BUT IT'S NOT.
09/03/09 11:09:18 THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE INCREASED
09/03/09 11:09:20 THE WRITING OF THE CITATIONS
09/03/09 11:09:22 INDICATES THAT WAS PROBLEM AND
09/03/09 11:09:23 HOPEFULLY YOU'RE ADDRESSING IT
09/03/09 11:09:24 THIS WAY.
09/03/09 11:09:26 I HOWEVER, DON'T SEE THIS AS AN
09/03/09 11:09:26 EITHERO.
09/03/09 11:09:29 I SEE IT AS A BOTH AND.
09/03/09 11:09:30 I THINK THE CITATION WRITING IS
09/03/09 11:09:32 EXCELLENT, BUT I ALSO THINK THAT
09/03/09 11:09:33 THE SOFT LETTER WRITING COULD
09/03/09 11:09:35 ONLY HELP BUT REINFORCE THE
09/03/09 11:09:37 OTHER THING YOU'RE DOING.
09/03/09 11:09:38 IF WE'RE LOOKING AT A POTENTIAL
09/03/09 11:09:40 OF 120 LETTERS A MONTH, AND
09/03/09 11:09:41 THESE ARE WRITTEN BY A COMPUTER,
09/03/09 11:09:44 YOU JUST FILL IN THE ADDRESS,
09/03/09 11:09:45 I
09/03/09 11:09:48 DON'T SEE THAT AS BEING
09/03/09 11:09:49 SO
09/03/09 11:09:50 OVERWHELMINGLY STAFF INTENSIVE,
09/03/09 11:09:51 AND IT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING
09/03/09 11:09:52 THAT YOU DON'T NECESSARILY NEED
09/03/09 11:09:55 UNIFORMED OFFICERS TO DO.
09/03/09 11:09:57 IT'S SOMETHING THAT A CLERICAL
09/03/09 11:09:59 STAFF PERSON COULD DO.
09/03/09 11:10:02 ALTHOUGH I GATHER YOU'RE NOT
09/03/09 11:10:03 ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT DOING THIS,
09/03/09 11:10:04 AND I UNDERSTAND THAT COUNCIL
09/03/09 11:10:06 CAN'T DIRECT YOU, I WOULD LIKE
09/03/09 11:10:08 YOU TO SERIOUSLY CONSIDER THE
09/03/09 11:10:10 INFORMATION THAT YOU'VE SHARED
09/03/09 11:10:12 WITH US, THE FACT THAT THERE
09/03/09 11:10:12 OBVIOUSLY IS A PROBLEM AS
09/03/09 11:10:14 IDENTIFIED BY ALL THE CITATIONS
09/03/09 11:10:16 THAT HAVE BEEN WRITTEN, AND
09/03/09 11:10:17 PARTICULARLY AS WE GEAR UP FOR
09/03/09 11:10:19 OUR WINTER SEASON WITH ALL THE
09/03/09 11:10:21 PARTYING THAT THAT MEANS, THAT
09/03/09 11:10:23 YOU WOULD CONSIDERED INITIATING
09/03/09 11:10:24 PERHAPS ON A PILOT BASIS,
09/03/09 11:10:28 PERHAPS JUST IN
09/03/09 11:10:30 ONE OF YOUR
09/03/09 11:10:31 AREAS THIS PROGRAM OF SOFT
09/03/09 11:10:34 LETTER WRITING.
09/03/09 11:10:36 AS MR. DANIELS HAS SAID, IT
09/03/09 11:10:37 DOESN'T COST MUCH.
09/03/09 11:10:40 AND DONE IN CONCERT WITH
09/03/09 11:10:41 THE
09/03/09 11:10:43 CITATION KRIG, HOPEFULLY WE WILL
09/03/09 11:10:45 GET A GREAT BRITAIN WITH
09/03/09 11:10:47 PROTECTING OUR --A GRIP WITH
09/03/09 11:10:48 PROTECTING OUR EARS.
09/03/09 11:10:51 >> I HOPE YOU DIDN'T THINK I
09/03/09 11:10:54 DIDN'T CARE ABOUT THE ISSUE.
09/03/09 11:10:55 THAT WASN'T MY INTENTION.
09/03/09 11:10:57 WE DO CARE ABOUT THE COMMUNITY,
09/03/09 11:11:00 IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE
09/03/09 11:11:01 COMMUNITY, QUALITY OF LIFE
09/03/09 11:11:03 ISSUES ARE A BIG LIFE TO US.
09/03/09 11:11:05 INSTEAD OF PEOPLE CALLING US
09/03/09 11:11:06 WHERE WE COULD RESPOND AND
09/03/09 11:11:08 WITNESS THE INFRACTION, WE WOULD
09/03/09 11:11:10 INSTEAD GET AN E-MAIL WHICH, YOU
09/03/09 11:11:11 KNOW, 72 HOURS LATER MIGHT BE
09/03/09 11:11:12 ADDRESSED THROUGH THE COMPUTER
09/03/09 11:11:14 SYSTEM, GOES THROUGH THE IT TO
09/03/09 11:11:15 THE POLICE DEPARTMENT,
09/03/09 11:11:15 ET CETERA.
09/03/09 11:11:18 THAT WAS THE ONLY CONCERN WITH
09/03/09 11:11:20 THE SOFT LETTER.
09/03/09 11:11:22 WE DIDN'T THINK IT WAS A MAJOR
09/03/09 11:11:23 ISSUE.
09/03/09 11:11:25 I WILL CERTAINLY SHARE WHAT YOU
09/03/09 11:11:27 SAID WITH CHIEF HOGAN AND THE
09/03/09 11:11:28 STAFF.
09/03/09 11:11:29 >> COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
09/03/09 11:11:32 >> THANK YOU,
09/03/09 11:11:35 MR. CHAIRMAN.
09/03/09 11:11:37 I THINK THE FACT THAT WE HAVE
09/03/09 11:11:38 BEEN MAKING SOME NOISE ABOUT
09/03/09 11:11:40 THIS ISSUE HAS RESULTED IN TPD
09/03/09 11:11:43 RESPONDING, AND I THINK THAT'S
09/03/09 11:11:44 THE BEST THING.
09/03/09 11:11:46 I THINK THE SOFT LETTER IS SORT
09/03/09 11:11:48 OF A VOLUNTARY APPROACH, IT'S A
09/03/09 11:11:49 FEEL GOOD APPROACH THAT I DON'T
09/03/09 11:11:52 SEE REALLY HAVING MUCH EFFECT.
09/03/09 11:11:55 I MEAN, I THINK MOSTLY THIS IS
09/03/09 11:11:55 YOUNGER PEOPLE.
09/03/09 11:11:57 THEY KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING.
09/03/09 11:11:59 THEY KNOW THEY HAVE LOUD SYSTEMS
09/03/09 11:12:01 AND BIG BOOM BOXES, AND THEY
09/03/09 11:12:01 DON'T NECESSARILY CARE, SO I
09/03/09 11:12:04 THINK THAT IF A LETTER MANAGED
09/03/09 11:12:07 TO GET TO THEM, I THINK THEY
09/03/09 11:12:09 WOULD READ IT AND THROW IT AWAY.
09/03/09 11:12:10 I THINK WHAT THEY WOULD CARE
09/03/09 11:12:12 ABOUT IS THEY ARE GETTING
09/03/09 11:12:13 TICKETED.
09/03/09 11:12:14 THE ONE THING I WOULD LIKE TO
09/03/09 11:12:15 ADD AND SUGGEST AT LEAST MAYBE
09/03/09 11:12:18 FOR THE NEXT YEAR OR TWO BECAUSE
09/03/09 11:12:19 OUR CITIZENS ARE VERY RIGHTFULLY
09/03/09 11:12:21 CONCERNED ABOUT THIS IS YOU COME
09/03/09 11:12:23 BACK ONCE A YEAR WITH THIS TYPE
09/03/09 11:12:26 OF REPORT AND LET US KNOW,
09/03/09 11:12:27 OWN,
09/03/09 11:12:29 ARE WE CONTINUING TO ISSUE THESE
09/03/09 11:12:31 KIND OF TICKETS, LET US KNOW
09/03/09 11:12:34 WHAT THE KIND OF REPORTS ARE
09/03/09 11:12:37 THAT --THE COMPLAINTS TWHAR
09/03/09 11:12:37 THAT ARE
09/03/09 11:12:39 COMING IN AND THAT SORT OF
09/03/09 11:12:41 THING, AND THAT WAY THIS COUNCIL
09/03/09 11:12:42 AND FUTURE COUNCILS CAN CONTINUE
09/03/09 11:12:45 TO
09/03/09 11:12:47 EVALUATE THE PROBLEM.
09/03/09 11:12:50 I WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO
09/03/09 11:12:51 THAT
09/03/09 11:12:55 EFFECT, THAT
09/03/09 11:12:57 TPDFED GIVE US AN
09/03/09 11:12:58 ANNUAL REPORT.
09/03/09 11:13:00 >> WHY DON'T WE DO SIX MONTHS?
09/03/09 11:13:00 >> I THINK
09/03/09 11:13:01 THAT WOULD BE A
09/03/09 11:13:02 LITTLE BIT BETTER.
09/03/09 11:13:03 >> I'M GOOD WITH THAT FOR NOW.
09/03/09 11:13:05 >> THE CITIZEN WOULD KNOW THAT
09/03/09 11:13:07 THEY ARE FOLLOWING UP AND THAT
09/03/09 11:13:07 COUNCIL HAS BEEN BRIEFED ON IT.
09/03/09 11:13:10 >>
09/03/09 11:13:12 OKAY.
09/03/09 11:13:15 >> IF YOU
09/03/09 11:13:17 PLAN TO DO THE PILOT
09/03/09 11:13:20 STUDY, COULD YOU DO ONE AREA
09/03/09 11:13:22 LIKE EAST TAMPA, AND IF YOU GET
09/03/09 11:13:24 MORE THAN TWO OR THREE LETTERS,
09/03/09 11:13:25 YOU WOULD BE FINED?
09/03/09 11:13:26 >> ABOUT LETTERS OR TICKETS?
09/03/09 11:13:26 >> LETTERS
09/03/09 11:13:28 .
09/03/09 11:13:29 >> I THINK THAT'S MORE OF A
09/03/09 11:13:32 LEGAL ISSUE FOR MR.
09/03/09 11:13:32 FLETCHER
09/03/09 11:13:33 ABOUT THE FINE.
09/03/09 11:13:36 >> IF I MAY, CHIP FLETCHER.
09/03/09 11:13:37 WHEN THIS FIRST CAME UP, ONE OF
09/03/09 11:13:40 THE ISSUES WE TALKED ABOUT IS
09/03/09 11:13:43 HOW THE LETTER WOULD IMPACT OR
09/03/09 11:13:44 RELATE TO ACTUAL CITATIONS AND
09/03/09 11:13:45 FINES, AND REALLY THEY WOULD
09/03/09 11:13:48 NEED TO BE SEPARATE BASED ON
09/03/09 11:13:49 THE
09/03/09 11:13:50 KIND OF INFORMATION WE TALKED
09/03/09 11:13:51 ABOUT GETTING THROUGH THE
09/03/09 11:13:52 WEBSITE, THAT WOULDN'T BE
09/03/09 11:13:53 SUFFICIENT TO ISSUE A CITATION.
09/03/09 11:13:55 WE WOULD HAVE TO COME UP WITH
09/03/09 11:13:57 SOME OTHER METHODOLOGY TO TAKE
09/03/09 11:13:58 THAT INFORMATION AND TRY TO SEEK
09/03/09 11:14:00 AN ACTUAL ENFORCEMENT ACTION
09/03/09 11:14:02 THROUGH SOMETHING LIKE THE
09/03/09 11:14:04 CITATIONS UNDER STATE LAW OR
09/03/09 11:14:05 THROUGH SOME OTHER ORDINANCE
09/03/09 11:14:06 THAT WE WERE TO PUT IN PLACE.
09/03/09 11:14:09 >> IF YOU WANT TO DO THE PILOT
09/03/09 11:14:10 STUDY, WOULD THAT COME UNDER THE
09/03/09 11:14:10 POLICE DEPARTMENT?
09/03/09 11:14:12 >> IT WOULD BE UNDER THE POLICE
09/03/09 11:14:14 DEPARTMENT, AND THEY COULD DO
09/03/09 11:14:14 THE LETTERS.
09/03/09 11:14:17 BUT WHAT WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO
09/03/09 11:14:19 DO IS THEN REALLY TAKE THE
09/03/09 11:14:21 INFORMATION WE'RE GETTING ON THE
09/03/09 11:14:22 WEBSITE AND THEN ISSUE TICKETS
09/03/09 11:14:25 OR CITATIONS OR OTHER TYPE OF
09/03/09 11:14:26 A
09/03/09 11:14:28 CIVIL OR CRIMINAL ENFORCEMENT
09/03/09 11:14:28 ACTION.
09/03/09 11:14:31 I'M NOT QUITE SURE HOW WE
09/03/09 11:14:32 WOULD
09/03/09 11:14:34 MAKE THAT TRANSITION.
09/03/09 11:14:34 BUT THAT INFORMATION ALONE
09/03/09 11:14:35 WOULDN'T BE SUFFICIENT UNDER THE
09/03/09 11:14:35 LAW.
09/03/09 11:14:38 >> ALL YOU COULD DO, THEN,
09/03/09 11:14:40 REALLY IS SEND A LETTER AND
09/03/09 11:14:41 THERE'S NO OTHER ACTION THAT YOU
09/03/09 11:14:42 CAN TAKE.
09/03/09 11:14:45 THE BEST ACTION IS WHAT THEY ARE
09/03/09 11:14:46 DOING NOW IS WRITING CITATIONS
09/03/09 11:14:47 IS WHAT I HEAR YOU SAYING.
09/03/09 11:14:50 >>
09/03/09 11:14:52 THAT'S CORRECT.
09/03/09 11:14:55 >>
09/03/09 11:15:01 WHAT WE WOULD NEED TO DO IS
09/03/09 11:15:04 FIGURE OUT A
09/03/09 11:15:05 WAY TO ACTUALLY
09/03/09 11:15:08 INVESTIGATE AND SOME HOW
09/03/09 11:15:09 CREATE
09/03/09 11:15:10 THE EVIDENTIARY INFORMATION
09/03/09 11:15:11 NECESSARY TO ISSUE A CITATION,
09/03/09 11:15:13 WOULD BE VERY MUCH LIKE CATCHING
09/03/09 11:15:15 THEM IN THE ACT, WHICH IS WHAT
09/03/09 11:15:16 THE CITATIONS UNDER THE STATE
09/03/09 11:15:19 LAW IS FOR AND WHAT THEY ARE
09/03/09 11:15:20 PRESENTLY DOING NOW.
09/03/09 11:15:22 I'M NOT QUITE SURE HOW WE WOULD
09/03/09 11:15:24 EASILY MAKE THE TRANSITION FROM
09/03/09 11:15:27 THE LETTERS
09/03/09 11:15:27 TO THE CITATIONS.
09/03/09 11:15:30 >> MR. DANIELS, I SEE
09/03/09 11:15:30 YOUR
09/03/09 11:15:33 HAND, YOU CAN'T SPEAK DURING
09/03/09 11:15:36 THIS SEGMENT OF COUNCIL'S
09/03/09 11:15:36 DISCUSSION.
09/03/09 11:15:38 COUNCIL HAS A RULE THAT WE DO
09/03/09 11:15:39 NOT TAKE ANY COMMENT DURING
09/03/09 11:15:41 STAFF REPORT.
09/03/09 11:15:44 THERE IS A MOTION MADE BY
09/03/09 11:15:45 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER THAT WE
09/03/09 11:15:46 GET A REPORT BACK FROM THE
09/03/09 11:15:47 POLICE DEPARTMENT EVERY SIX
09/03/09 11:15:50 MONTHS ON THE THE STATUS OF THIS
09/03/09 11:15:52 IN TERMS OF THE CITATIONS THAT
09/03/09 11:15:55 THEY ARE WRITING VERSUS THE
09/03/09 11:15:58 NOISE, WHICH IS A COMMUNITIWIDE
09/03/09 11:15:59 ISSUE.
09/03/09 11:16:00 AND I'M REALLY GLAD TO HEAR THE
09/03/09 11:16:02 ENFORCEMENT THAT YOU STEPPED UP.
09/03/09 11:16:05 I MEAN,
09/03/09 11:16:06 THAT'S VERY IMPRESSIVE.
09/03/09 11:16:09 >> WOULD YOU APPEAR THAT TO BE
09/03/09 11:16:11 A WRITTEN REPORT OR AN
09/03/09 11:16:11 APPEARANCE BEFORE COUNCIL?
09/03/09 11:16:13 >> I THINK FOR NOW, AN APPEARS.
09/03/09 11:16:15 >> THE MOTION MADE BY COUNCIL
09/03/09 11:16:18 DINGFELDER WE HAVE A WRITTEN
09/03/09 11:16:21 REPORT
09/03/09 11:16:23 AS WELL AS AN APPEARS BY
09/03/09 11:16:24 THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT, AND
09/03/09 11:16:26 THAT WAS SECONDED BY
09/03/09 11:16:26 COUNCILWOMAN SAUL-SENA.
09/03/09 11:16:27 >> IT WAS VERY USEFUL TO ME THE
09/03/09 11:16:29 WAY THAT YOU BROKE OUT THE
09/03/09 11:16:30 INFORMATION IN TERMS OF THE
09/03/09 11:16:31 PARTS OF TOWN THAT WE WERE
09/03/09 11:16:33 GETTING THE INFORMATION FROM.
09/03/09 11:16:34 THE NEXT TIME YOU REPORT, IT
09/03/09 11:16:36 WOULD ALSO BE HELPFUL IF YOU
09/03/09 11:16:38 COULD INCLUDE THE QUESTION THAT
09/03/09 11:16:41 MR. CAETANO ASKED,
09/03/09 11:16:43 WHICH WAS ARE
09/03/09 11:16:44 SOME CITATIONS GOING MULTIPLE
09/03/09 11:16:45 TIMES TO THE SAME INDIVIDUAL?
09/03/09 11:16:48 BECAUS E TO ME, THAT'S AN
09/03/09 11:16:50 INDICATION OF A PROBLEM, AND
09/03/09 11:16:51 PERHAPS YOU CAN LOOK AT WHAT
09/03/09 11:16:54 HAPPENS WITH THAT, ALTHOUGH AS
09/03/09 11:16:56 MR. DINGFELDER SAYS, YOU LOSE
09/03/09 11:16:57 YOUR LICENSE THROUGH THOSE,
09/03/09 11:16:57 THAT'S SEVERE.
09/03/09 11:16:59 >> I BELIEVE WE SHOULD BE ABLE
09/03/09 11:17:00 TO RETRIEVE THAT INFORMATION,
09/03/09 11:17:03 BUT IF NOT, I WOULD HAVE TO MAKE
09/03/09 11:17:04 A PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST THROUGH
09/03/09 11:17:06 THE CLERK OF THE CIRCUIT COURTS
09/03/09 11:17:06 TRAFFIC DIVISION.
09/03/09 11:17:06 EITHER ONE.
09/03/09 11:17:08 >> I HAVE A QUESTION.
09/03/09 11:17:09 IF A CITIZEN GETS A TAG NUMBER
09/03/09 11:17:11 FROM A PERSON WITH THE LOUD
09/03/09 11:17:13 MUSIC IN THEIR CAR AND THEY SEND
09/03/09 11:17:14 IT INTO THEIR OFFICE, CAN
09/03/09 11:17:14 ANYTHING BE DONE WITH THAT?
09/03/09 11:17:18 >> IF THEY CALL IT US?
09/03/09 11:17:18 >> IF
09/03/09 11:17:20 THEY WRITE IT DOWN AND
09/03/09 11:17:21 SEND YOU AN E-MAIL?
09/03/09 11:17:23 >> THAT'S WHAT THE SOFT LETTER
09/03/09 11:17:23 ADDRESSES.
09/03/09 11:17:26 >> I'M JUST SAYING --
09/03/09 11:17:27 >> WE DON'T ENCOURAGE THAT.
09/03/09 11:17:29 WE WANT THE PHONE CALL WHILE
09/03/09 11:17:32 IT'S HAPPENING AND SEND AN
09/03/09 11:17:35 OFFICER OUT
09/03/09 11:17:36 THERE.
09/03/09 11:17:39 >> WHEN THEY HEAR IT, THEY WANT
09/03/09 11:17:42 --YOU WANT
09/03/09 11:17:43 THEM TO CALL.
09/03/09 11:17:45 >> I FEEL LIKE THE SOFT LETTER
09/03/09 11:17:48 APPROACH THAT WAS PRESENTED TO
09/03/09 11:17:51 US THAT HAS BEEN MET WITH SOME
09/03/09 11:17:53 SUCCESS IN ST. PETERSBURG, I
09/03/09 11:17:55 STILL FEEL IT WOULDN'T TAKE AWAY
09/03/09 11:17:56 FROM THE CITATION, IT WOULD JUST
09/03/09 11:17:57 AN ADDITIONAL OPPORTUNITY TO
09/03/09 11:18:00 CONTACT PEOPLE WHO ARE
09/03/09 11:18:03 IRRITATING THEIR
09/03/09 11:18:04 NEIGHBORS.
09/03/09 11:18:05 WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE FOR, FOR
09/03/09 11:18:08 EXAMPLE, MY OFFICE STAFF TO SEND
09/03/09 11:18:10 THESE LETTERS, OR COULD THESE
09/03/09 11:18:11 LETTERS ONLY COME THROUGH THE
09/03/09 11:18:12 POLICE DEPARTMENT?
09/03/09 11:18:14 >> I DON'T KNOW.
09/03/09 11:18:16 MAYBE MR. FLETCHER COULD ANSWER
09/03/09 11:18:16 THAT QUESTION.
09/03/09 11:18:19 >>
09/03/09 11:18:21 MR. FLETCHER.
09/03/09 11:18:24 >> THE QUESTION IS, WOULD
09/03/09 11:18:25 THE
09/03/09 11:18:26 SOFT LETTER, HAVE TO COME FROM
09/03/09 11:18:27 THE POLICE DEPARTMENT?
09/03/09 11:18:30 O R COULD IT COME FROM A
09/03/09 11:18:31 COUNCIL MEMBER'S OFFICE?
09/03/09 11:18:35 I MEAN, I KNOW IT WOULD BE
09/03/09 11:18:36 DIFFERENT, BUT IT WOULD STILL
09/03/09 11:18:36 LOOK OFFICIAL.
09/03/09 11:18:39 >> WHAT I WOULD NEED TO
09/03/09 11:18:40 LOOK AT
09/03/09 11:18:42 AT WHETHER UNDER THE STATE
09/03/09 11:18:45 STATUTE THAT AUTHORIZES ACCESS
09/03/09 11:18:47 TO THE DMV DATA BASE IS LIMITED
09/03/09 11:18:49 TO LAW ENFORCEMENT STAFF AND
09/03/09 11:18:51 DEPARTMENTS, WHICH I BELIEVE IT
09/03/09 11:18:51 MAY BE.
09/03/09 11:18:54 IN WHICH CASE IT WOULD NEED TO
09/03/09 11:18:57 GO THROUGH TPD OR ANOTHER --
09/03/09 11:19:00 >> IF TPD DIDN'T FEEL LIKE
09/03/09 11:19:03 SENDING OUT THE LETTERS,
09/03/09 11:19:04 BUT
09/03/09 11:19:05 COUNCIL MEMBERS WERE INTERESTED
09/03/09 11:19:07 IN TAKING IT OFF?
09/03/09 11:19:09 COUL D WE SEND OUT THE LETTERS
09/03/09 11:19:09 FROM OUR OFFICE?
09/03/09 11:19:10 >> PERHAPS.
09/03/09 11:19:12 I WOULD NEED TO LOOK AT THAT.
09/03/09 11:19:15 WE WOULD HAVE THE
09/03/09 11:19:18 ISSUE
09/03/09 11:19:18 OF
09/03/09 11:19:20 COUNCIL AND THE ADMINISTRATION
09/03/09 11:19:23 HAVING THE SEPARATION
09/03/09 11:19:25 OF POWERS
09/03/09 11:19:25 BETWEEN LEGISLATIVE AND
09/03/09 11:19:26 EXECUTIVE.
09/03/09 11:19:28 >> WE CAN'T ASK THEM TO DO, AND
09/03/09 11:19:29 WE'RE WILLING TO DO IT.
09/03/09 11:19:31 SO I WOULD LIKE YOU TO LOOK AT
09/03/09 11:19:32 THAT AND SEE WHETHER IT WOULD BE
09/03/09 11:19:32 POSSIBLE.
09/03/09 11:19:35 >> I WILL CAUTION YOU ON THAT
09/03/09 11:19:38 FROM THIS STANDPOINT BECAUSE
09/03/09 11:19:38 WE
09/03/09 11:19:39 HAVE POLICE DEPARTMENT THAT'S IN
09/03/09 11:19:41 PLACE AND POWER TO DO THAT, THE
09/03/09 11:19:44 ENFORCEMENT PART OF THAT.
09/03/09 11:19:46 SECOND COMPONENT OF THAT IS, IF
09/03/09 11:19:48 SOMEONE EMAILED ME AND CALLED ME
09/03/09 11:19:50 AND I SENT A LETTER OUT FROM MY
09/03/09 11:19:52 OFFICE, HOW ACCURATE DO I KNOW
09/03/09 11:19:53 THAT INFORMATION IS HOW ACCURATE
09/03/09 11:19:56 DO I KNOW THAT SOMEONE IS NOT
09/03/09 11:19:59 DOING SOMETHING DELIBERATELY
09/03/09 11:20:00 TO
09/03/09 11:20:00 RETALIATE AGAINST SOMEBODY?
09/03/09 11:20:02 YO U HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL
09/03/09 11:20:02 HERE.
09/03/09 11:20:04 I UNDERSTAND THE WHOLE ISSUE OF
09/03/09 11:20:07 THE SOFT LETTER, AND I DO
09/03/09 11:20:10 COMMEND MR. DANIELS
09/03/09 11:20:11 FOR WHAT HE
09/03/09 11:20:12 IS ATTEMPTING TO DO HERE.
09/03/09 11:20:15 WITH YOU BUT AT THE SAME TIME,
09/03/09 11:20:16 YOU ALSO
09/03/09 11:20:19 HAVE ADVISED US AND CAUTIONED US
09/03/09 11:20:20 OF THE LEGAL RAMIFICATION THAT'S
09/03/09 11:20:21 INVOLVED AS WELL.
09/03/09 11:20:23 SO I DON'T KNOW WHETHER ANYBODY
09/03/09 11:20:24 ELSE HAD THAT BRIEFING, BUT I
09/03/09 11:20:25 HAVE HAD THAT BRIEFING.
09/03/09 11:20:26 SO I WILL CAUTION ANYONE, BUT
09/03/09 11:20:29 YOU CAN DO THAT IF
09/03/09 11:20:30 IT'S
09/03/09 11:20:30 AUTHORIZED.
09/03/09 11:20:32 BUT I WOULD CAUTION THAT BECAUSE
09/03/09 11:20:33 YOU MAY BE ON ONE HAND
09/03/09 11:20:35 ATTEMPTING TO DO SOME GOOD, BUT
09/03/09 11:20:36 YOU MAY CREATE ANOTHER PROBLEM
09/03/09 11:20:38 ON ANOTHER HAND BECAUSE YOU
09/03/09 11:20:39 DON'T KNOW AND DON'T HAVE ALL
09/03/09 11:20:41 THE INFORMATION THAT THE POLICE
09/03/09 11:20:42 DEPARTMENT WOULD HAVE.
09/03/09 11:20:44 THEY HAVE THE CAPABILITY, THEY
09/03/09 11:20:45 HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY, AND --
09/03/09 11:20:46 >> AND THEY ARE NOT WILLING TO
09/03/09 11:20:46 DO IT.
09/03/09 11:20:49 >> BUT THE ISSUE IS --I DON'T
09/03/09 11:20:50 KNOW WHETHER IT'S THEY ARE NOT
09/03/09 11:20:51 WILLING TO DO IT.
09/03/09 11:20:54 I THINK THE ISSUE IS THEY ARE
09/03/09 11:20:55 FOLLOWING STATE STATUTE THAT'S
09/03/09 11:20:58 IN PLACE NOW THAT ALLOWS THEM TO
09/03/09 11:20:58 WRITE CITATIONS.
09/03/09 11:21:00 IF THEY GET A PHONE CALL, A
09/03/09 11:21:02 POLICEMAN GOES OUT, AND THEY CAN
09/03/09 11:21:04 WRITE A CITATION ON THE SPOT.
09/03/09 11:21:05 TO ME, THAT'S BETTER THAN
09/03/09 11:21:08 GETTING A SOFT LETTER IN THE
09/03/09 11:21:09 MAIL AND THE PERSON MAY ADHERE
09/03/09 11:21:11 TO IT OR MAY NOT.
09/03/09 11:21:14 KEEPING IN MIND, AS I UNDERSTAND
09/03/09 11:21:17 IT, SOME OF THE CITIES MAY BE
09/03/09 11:21:18 FACING LEGAL CHALLENGES BASED ON
09/03/09 11:21:19 THAT ISSUE, IS THAT RIGHT?
09/03/09 11:21:20 >> THERE'S A COUPLE DIFFERENT
09/03/09 11:21:23 ISSUES HERE.
09/03/09 11:21:26 ONE IS I THINK WAS POINTED
09/03/09 11:21:27 OUT,
09/03/09 11:21:29 THERE IS SOME EXPERIENCE IN ONE
09/03/09 11:21:30 OF THE OTHER JURISDICTIONS WHERE
09/03/09 11:21:32 THERE ARE A LOT OF XANTS FROM
09/03/09 11:21:33 ONE OR A SMALL GROUP OF
09/03/09 11:21:37 INDIVIDUALS, AND THERE'S
09/03/09 11:21:38 A
09/03/09 11:21:40 BELIEF THAT THERE MAY BE FOLKS
09/03/09 11:21:42 UTILIZING THAT SOFT LETTER
09/03/09 11:21:43 SYSTEM FOR HARASSMENT OR OTHER
09/03/09 11:21:44 TYPES OF THINGS.
09/03/09 11:21:47 SO THERE'S THAT ISSUE THAT
09/03/09 11:21:48 SEEMS
09/03/09 11:21:51 TO HAVE SURFACED.
09/03/09 11:21:53 AND WHETHER OR NOT --I DON'T
09/03/09 11:21:56 KNOW THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT
09/03/09 11:21:59 WOULD BE LIABLE FOR SOME TYPE OF
09/03/09 11:22:02 ACTIVITY THERE RELATED TO
09/03/09 11:22:03 THOSE
09/03/09 11:22:05 LETTERS THAT ARE OF A HARASSING
09/03/09 11:22:06 NATURE, BUT IT WOULD BE
09/03/09 11:22:08 SOMETHING THAT WOULD NEED TO BE
09/03/09 11:22:09 MONITORED AND ADDRESSED AND YOU
09/03/09 11:22:11 WOULD HAVE TO BE AWARE OF IT AND
09/03/09 11:22:12 TAKE ACTION IF THAT WAS THE
09/03/09 11:22:12 CASE.
09/03/09 11:22:13 I THINK THAT WOULD BE
09/03/09 11:22:14 APPROPRIATE.
09/03/09 11:22:15 THAT'S AN ELEMENT OF IT.
09/03/09 11:22:18 I THINK WHAT CHAIRMAN SCOTT IS
09/03/09 11:22:21 REFERRING TO IS WHEN WE HAD
09/03/09 11:22:22 ORIGINALLY BEEN BRIEFED ON THIS
09/03/09 11:22:24 ISSUE, IT CAME UP ABOUT WHAT
09/03/09 11:22:26 SARASOTA IS DOING, THEY HAVE AN
09/03/09 11:22:26 AGGRESSIVE ORDINANCE --
09/03/09 11:22:27 >> WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT
09/03/09 11:22:27 THAT.
09/03/09 11:22:29 >> THAT'S A DIFFERENT ISSUE,
09/03/09 11:22:32 BUT THEY ARE BEING SUED, AND
09/03/09 11:22:35 THEY ARE IN LITIGATION WITH THE
09/03/09 11:22:36 ACLU OVER THAT AT THE MOMENT.
09/03/09 11:22:38 SO I THINK THAT'S WHAT CHAIRMAN
09/03/09 11:22:39 SCOTT IS LOOKING AT.
09/03/09 11:22:40 I THINK THERE PROBABLY IS A
09/03/09 11:22:42 CHARTER PROBLEM WHERE WE HAVE
09/03/09 11:22:44 EXECUTIVE BRANCH FUNCTIONS AND
09/03/09 11:22:47 LEGISLATIVE FUNCTIONS, AND I
09/03/09 11:22:49 THINK IF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT
09/03/09 11:22:52 WERE WILLING TO WORK WITH THAT
09/03/09 11:22:53 KIND OF A PROCESS, AND IT WAS
09/03/09 11:22:55 THE WILL OF COUNCIL AS A BODY,
09/03/09 11:22:56 WE COULD LOOK INTO THAT.
09/03/09 11:22:59 BUT I THINK THERE'S A SEPARATION
09/03/09 11:23:00 OF POWERS ISSUE.
09/03/09 11:23:02 THE MORE FUNDAMENTAL ISSUE THAT
09/03/09 11:23:05 THE MAJOR HAS ARTICULATED IS
09/03/09 11:23:07 THEY BELIEVE FROM A LAW
09/03/09 11:23:08 ENFORCEMENT STANDPOINT, THEY
09/03/09 11:23:11 WOULD PREFER THAT FOLKS THAT
09/03/09 11:23:13 HAVE ISSUES CONTACT THEM SO THEY
09/03/09 11:23:14 CAN DIRECTLY TAKE ENFORCEMENT
09/03/09 11:23:15 ACTION AGAINST THE INDIVIDUALS.
09/03/09 11:23:18 AND THEY BELIEVE THAT HAVING A
09/03/09 11:23:19 SEPARATE METHOD OF COMMUNICATION
09/03/09 11:23:22 COULD DIVERT SOME OF
09/03/09 11:23:22 THOSE
09/03/09 11:23:23 COMPLAINTS TO THAT THE SOFT
09/03/09 11:23:24 LETTER WHICH THEY WOULD PREFER
09/03/09 11:23:26 TO HAVE THROUGH A PHONE CALL,
09/03/09 11:23:27 THROUGH APPROPRIATE ACTION SO
09/03/09 11:23:28 THEY CAN ISSUE THE CITATIONS
09/03/09 11:23:30 BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE THE
09/03/09 11:23:31 CITATIONS ARE A BETTER DETERRENT
09/03/09 11:23:32 THAN THE LETTER.
09/03/09 11:23:35 THAT'S REALLY THE POLICY ISSUE,
09/03/09 11:23:36 IT'S NOT THE LEGAL ISSUE, BUT
09/03/09 11:23:37 THAT'S THE POLICY ISSUE THAT HAS
09/03/09 11:23:39 BEEN PRESENTED TO YOU ALL BY THE
09/03/09 11:23:42 POLICE DEPARTMENT, AND JUST SO
09/03/09 11:23:43 THAT IT'S CRYSTALLIZED AND
09/03/09 11:23:46 CLEAR, I WANTED TO RESTATE
09/03/09 11:23:47 IT
09/03/09 11:23:49 AND PRESENT IT TO YOU FOR YOUR
09/03/09 11:23:50 CONSIDERATION.
09/03/09 11:23:51 IF YOU WOULD LIKE ME TO CONTINUE
09/03/09 11:23:53 TO LOOK INTO THE SEPARATION OF
09/03/09 11:23:55 POWERS ISSUE, I'M HAPPY TO DO
09/03/09 11:23:55 THAT.
09/03/09 11:23:57 BUT I DO BELIEVE THERE WOULD BE
09/03/09 11:23:58 A CHARTER PROBLEM WITH AN
09/03/09 11:23:59 INDIVIDUAL COUNCIL MEMBER
09/03/09 11:24:01 GETTING INVOLVED IN THAT KIND OF
09/03/09 11:24:02 A LAW ENFORCEMENT INTERACTION
09/03/09 11:24:03 SITUATION.
09/03/09 11:24:03 >> OKAY.
09/03/09 11:24:04 I UNDERSTAND THAT.
09/03/09 11:24:05 AND I DON'T WANT TO WASTE YOUR
09/03/09 11:24:06 VALUABLE TIME.
09/03/09 11:24:08 MY CONCERN WAS THAT SOMETIMES
09/03/09 11:24:10 WHEN SOMEBODY IS DOING SOMETHING
09/03/09 11:24:11 ANNOYING, THEY STICK AROUND, AND
09/03/09 11:24:12 SOMETIMES THEY DO IT AND LEAVE
09/03/09 11:24:15 BEFORE THE POLICE CAN ARRIVE.
09/03/09 11:24:17 THIS IS THE ATTEMPT TO ADDRESS
09/03/09 11:24:19 THE PERCENTAGE THAT LEAVE BEFORE
09/03/09 11:24:21 THE POLICE CAN ARRIVE.
09/03/09 11:24:24 SO IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU REALLY
09/03/09 11:24:25 DON'T THINK THIS IS GOING TO
09/03/09 11:24:27 WORK, AND YOU'RE NOT INTERESTED
09/03/09 11:24:27 IN PURSUING IT.
09/03/09 11:24:29 I DON'T WANT TO WASTE YOUR
09/03/09 11:24:29 VALUABLE TIME.
09/03/09 11:24:30 >> WELL, I DON'T KNOW THAT'S
09/03/09 11:24:32 THE CASE.
09/03/09 11:24:33 COULD YOU GIVE US THOSE STATS
09/03/09 11:24:35 ONE MORE TIME, HOW MANY
09/03/09 11:24:36 CITATIONS YOU HAVE WRITTEN THIS
09/03/09 11:24:36 YEAR ALONE?
09/03/09 11:24:37 >> THIS YEAR ALONE.
09/03/09 11:24:40 I DON'T
09/03/09 11:24:42 WANT TO MINIMIZE THE
09/03/09 11:24:44 FACT OF THIS ISSUE BECAUSE IT IS
09/03/09 11:24:46 A PER VASIVE ISSUE THAT THE
09/03/09 11:24:48 POLICE DEPARTMENT IS INVOLVED
09/03/09 11:24:49 AND ENGAGED AND WORKING ON.
09/03/09 11:24:50 AND SO I DON'T WANT TO MINIMIZE
09/03/09 11:24:53 WHAT THEY ARE DOING BECAUSE TO
09/03/09 11:24:56 ME, IF I HEARD THOSE
09/03/09 11:24:57 STATS
09/03/09 11:24:58 RIGHT, I MEAN, ENFORCEMENT IS
09/03/09 11:24:58 THERE.
09/03/09 11:24:59 CAN YOU GIVE US THE STATS ONE
09/03/09 11:25:00 MORE TIME?
09/03/09 11:25:02 >> THIS YEAR TO THE END OF
09/03/09 11:25:05 AUGUST FROM JANUARY 1st, WE
09/03/09 11:25:06 HAVE
09/03/09 11:25:08 WRITTEN 1341 CITATIONS FOR LOUD
09/03/09 11:25:10 NOISE MUSIC FROM VEHICLES.
09/03/09 11:25:12 THAT'S UP 61.2% FOR THE SAME
09/03/09 11:25:14 PERIOD OF TIME IN 2008 WHICH WAS
09/03/09 11:25:17 836 CITATIONS.
09/03/09 11:25:23 >> THE POINT THERE IS
09/03/09 11:25:24 YOU MADE
09/03/09 11:25:27 AN ATTEMPT TO
09/03/09 11:25:28 INCREASE THAT.
09/03/09 11:25:29 THAT'S A PROBLEM.
09/03/09 11:25:31 DRUGS IN THE COMMUNITY IS A
09/03/09 11:25:31 PROBLEM.
09/03/09 11:25:34 DRUNK DRIVING IS
09/03/09 11:25:37 A PROBLEM.
09/03/09 11:25:39 MURDERS IS A PROBLEM.
09/03/09 11:25:42 CELL PHONE USE WHILE DRIVING IS
09/03/09 11:25:45 A MAJOR PROBLEM.
09/03/09 11:25:46 OKAY, COUNCILMAN.
09/03/09 11:25:48 >> MAJOR, AS I WAS LISTENING TO
09/03/09 11:25:51 THE FULL DEBATE, AND I AGREE
09/03/09 11:25:53 WITH OUR COLLEAGUE DINGFELDER
09/03/09 11:25:54 WHEN HE WAS MAKING THE
09/03/09 11:25:57 STATEMENTS ON THE REPORT.
09/03/09 11:26:00 1348 OR AN INCREASE OF
09/03/09 11:26:00 51.2%
09/03/09 11:26:02 INCREASE, LET ME SAY THIS:
09/03/09 11:26:05 DO WE KEEP RECORDS OF HOW MANY
09/03/09 11:26:08 OF THESE ARE ONE TIME OFFENDERS,
09/03/09 11:26:08 TWO TIME OFFENDERS?
09/03/09 11:26:11 D O THEY PAY THEIR TICKETS OR
09/03/09 11:26:11 WHAT HAPPENS?
09/03/09 11:26:13 >> AS FAR AS PAYING THE TICKETS
09/03/09 11:26:14 AND NOT BAG IT, IT WOULD BE
09/03/09 11:26:16 DEALT WITH AT THE CLERK OF THE
09/03/09 11:26:18 CIRCUIT COURT TRAFFIC DIVISION.
09/03/09 11:26:20 BECAUSE ONCE A CITATION IS
09/03/09 11:26:21 WRITTEN BY A POLICE OFFICER, IT
09/03/09 11:26:23 HAS TO BE FORWARDED THERE FOR
09/03/09 11:26:24 PROCESSING, AND THEN IT GOES
09/03/09 11:26:26 THROUGH THE COURT SYSTEM.
09/03/09 11:26:28 THE POLICE OFFICER MAY NEVER GET
09/03/09 11:26:29 INVOLVED IN THE COURT SYSTEM
09/03/09 11:26:30 BECAUSE THE PERSON PAYS THE
09/03/09 11:26:32 FINE, OR DOES NOT PAY IT, HANDLE
09/03/09 11:26:34 IT, AND THE LICENSE GETS
09/03/09 11:26:35 SUSPENDED, AND THEN IT MIGHT NOT
09/03/09 11:26:36 BE TAKEN CARE OF.
09/03/09 11:26:39 >>
09/03/09 11:26:41 THERE'S A MECHANISM, BUT
09/03/09 11:26:43 MAYBE NOT BECAUSE IT'S HANDLED
09/03/09 11:26:44 BY ANOTHER ENTITY OF GOVERNMENT.
09/03/09 11:26:44 I APPRECIATE IT.
09/03/09 11:26:46 >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09/03/09 11:26:49 >> DID WE CARRY THE MOTION?
09/03/09 11:26:52 THERE'S A MOTION ON
09/03/09 11:26:53 THE FLOOR.
09/03/09 11:26:54 MOTION PASSES.
09/03/09 11:26:57 THANK YOU, AGAIN.
09/03/09 11:27:00 >> BACK TO ITEM 80.
09/03/09 11:27:01 >> YES, MR. CHAIRMAN.
09/03/09 11:27:05 I'VE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY
09/03/09 11:27:06 TO TALK
09/03/09 11:27:09 WITH JEWELIA COLE ABOUT THIS.
09/03/09 11:27:09 MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF
09/03/09 11:27:11 COUNCIL, I HAVE NOT TAKEN THE
09/03/09 11:27:14 OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH THE
09/03/09 11:27:15 CITY STAFF AND LAND DEVELOPMENT
09/03/09 11:27:17 IN THIS ITEM.
09/03/09 11:27:19 RESPECTFULLY, WE WOULD BE
09/03/09 11:27:20 REQUESTING 30 DAYS TO OCTOBER 1
09/03/09 11:27:23 AS TO
09/03/09 11:27:26 TO BRING BACK AN ORDINANCE
09/03/09 11:27:28 TO PRESENT TO COUNCIL FOR YOUR
09/03/09 11:27:29 REVIEW.
09/03/09 11:27:30 AGAIN, MY APOLOGIES FOR THAT
09/03/09 11:27:31 HAPPENING.
09/03/09 11:27:33 >> COUNCILWOMAN SAUL-SENA.
09/03/09 11:27:36 >> DO WE CURRENTLY HAVE ANY
09/03/09 11:27:39 RULES GOVERNING HOW MANY PETS
09/03/09 11:27:39 AT
09/03/09 11:27:41 ANY TIME PEOPLE CAN HAVE?
09/03/09 11:27:42 >> I BELIEVE WE DO.
09/03/09 11:27:45 I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION IN
09/03/09 11:27:45 FRONT OF ME.
09/03/09 11:27:46 >> THAT WOULD BE THE BASE
09/03/09 11:27:49 INFORMATION THAT WE --
09/03/09 11:27:50 >> ULTIMATELY THE ISSUE I
09/03/09 11:27:53 BELIEVE AS MR. LAZAR BROUGHT
09/03/09 11:27:54 BEFORE YOU IS THAT THE COUNTY
09/03/09 11:27:57 HAS ADDRESSED THE ISSUE
09/03/09 11:27:57 OF
09/03/09 11:27:58 RESCUE ORGANIZATIONS SO ALLOW
09/03/09 11:28:00 FOR PEOPLE TO BE MEMBERS OF
09/03/09 11:28:03 RESCUE ORGANIZATIONS TO USE
09/03/09 11:28:04 THEIR HOMES AS FACILITIES.
09/03/09 11:28:06 AND HE HAD ASKED COUNCIL TO BE
09/03/09 11:28:09 ABLE TO AMEND THE CITY CODE TO
09/03/09 11:28:12 TRACK THE COUNTIES.
09/03/09 11:28:13 I DID NOT HAVE --TAKE THE
09/03/09 11:28:14 OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH THE
09/03/09 11:28:16 STAFF TO GIVE THEM THE COUNTY'S
09/03/09 11:28:17 INFORMATION.
09/03/09 11:28:19 I BELIEVE MR. LASAR HAS
09/03/09 11:28:22 FORWARDED IT TO THE CITY, BUT I
09/03/09 11:28:24 WANT TO ASSURE CITY COUNCIL WITH
09/03/09 11:28:26 YOUR CONSENT THAT I WILL WORK
09/03/09 11:28:27 WITH THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT AND
09/03/09 11:28:29 LAND DEVELOPMENT TO ENSURE THAT
09/03/09 11:28:31 IT WILL BE BROUGHT BACK TO
09/03/09 11:28:32 COUNCIL IN A TIMELY FASHION.
09/03/09 11:28:33 I TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THAT,
09/03/09 11:28:34 AND I APOLOGIZE.
09/03/09 11:28:34 >> OKAY.
09/03/09 11:28:37 SO WE NEED TO CONTINUE IT UNTIL
09/03/09 11:28:37 WHEN?
09/03/09 11:28:38 >> OCTOBER 1st, PLEASE.
09/03/09 11:28:40 >> DID YOU WANT TO ADD
09/03/09 11:28:41 ANYTHING, MR. FLETCHER?
09/03/09 11:28:44 >> WE HAD LOOKED INTO THE
09/03/09 11:28:47 ISSUE, AND THERE'S A LIMIT ON
09/03/09 11:28:49 THE NUMBER OF ANIMALS PER HOME.
09/03/09 11:28:50 THE OTHER OPTION WOULD BE A
09/03/09 11:28:52 KENNEL OR SOME OTHER TYPES OF
09/03/09 11:28:53 THINGS UNDER OUR CODE.
09/03/09 11:28:55 THE COUNTY HAS AN INTERMEDIATE
09/03/09 11:28:57 AREA THAT YOU MIGHT CALL FOR
09/03/09 11:29:00 RESCUE ANIMALS, WHICH IS NOT AS
09/03/09 11:29:03 INTENSIVE AS A KENNEL, BY
09/03/09 11:29:03 ALLOWS
09/03/09 11:29:05 FOR MORE ANIMALS THAN JUST A
09/03/09 11:29:06 REGULAR RESIDENCE.
09/03/09 11:29:07 I DID NOT HEAR, OR PERHAPS I
09/03/09 11:29:09 MISSED IT, A DESIRE BY COUNCIL
09/03/09 11:29:10 TO HAVE AN ORDINANCE COME BACK,
09/03/09 11:29:12 AND WE'RE HAPPY TO PUT ONE
09/03/09 11:29:13 TOGETHER IF YOU WOULD LIKE.
09/03/09 11:29:15 BUT AT THIS POINT, WE HAD SIMPLY
09/03/09 11:29:16 RESEARCHED THE ISSUE AND FOUND
09/03/09 11:29:18 OUT WHAT THE PROBLEM IS SIT'S A
09/03/09 11:29:18 POLICY DECISION FOR COUNCIL AS
09/03/09 11:29:21 TO WHETHER OR NOT YOU THINK IT'S
09/03/09 11:29:23 APPROPRIATE AND UNDER WHAT
09/03/09 11:29:24 CONDITIONS THE ADDITIONAL NUMBER
09/03/09 11:29:25 OF ANIMALS SHOULD BE ALLOWED.
09/03/09 11:29:27 SO WE'RE HAPPY TO PREPARE THAT
09/03/09 11:29:29 FOR YOU IF YOU WOULD LIKE.
09/03/09 11:29:33 >> I'M SURE I MADE THE MOTION
09/03/09 11:29:34 SINCE I HAVE BEEN DEEPLY
09/03/09 11:29:36 INVOLVED WITH THIS ISSUE FOR
09/03/09 11:29:37 MORE THAN A YEAR.
09/03/09 11:29:39 IF IT WASN'T CLEAR THEN, I THINK
09/03/09 11:29:42 IT NEEDS TO BE CLEAR
09/03/09 11:29:43 NOW THAT
09/03/09 11:29:44 RIGHT NOW THE CODE SAYS, AND
09/03/09 11:29:46 THIS IS HOW THE PROBLEM STARTED,
09/03/09 11:29:47 LINDA.
09/03/09 11:29:48 THE CODE SAYS YOU CAN ONLY HAVE
09/03/09 11:29:51 X NUMBER OF PETS IN YOUR HOUSE,
09/03/09 11:29:53 AND THAT'S I'M SURE PUBLIC
09/03/09 11:29:54 HEALTH, SAFETY CONCERN, AND
09/03/09 11:29:55 THAT'S ALL FINE AND GOOD.
09/03/09 11:29:58 BUT THEN YOU
09/03/09 11:30:00 RUN INTO THESE
09/03/09 11:30:03 SITUATIONS WHERE THERE MIGHT BE
09/03/09 11:30:05 TEN DOGS IN HIS HOUSE BECAUSE
09/03/09 11:30:08 HE'S DOING RESCUE, AND HIS
09/03/09 11:30:09 NEIGHBOR COMPLAINS BECAUSE HE
09/03/09 11:30:10 HAS 10, AND THE LAOIMENT MIGHT
09/03/09 11:30:13 BE 6, AND HE'S IN VIOLATION OF
09/03/09 11:30:13 OUR CODE.
09/03/09 11:30:15 BUT HE'S TRYING TO DO A GOOD
09/03/09 11:30:18 THING AND HE'S HELPING THE
09/03/09 11:30:19 SYSTEM AND THE HUMANE SYSTEM.
09/03/09 11:30:21 SO I THINK THAT THAT'S THE KEY,
09/03/09 11:30:24 IS WE NEED TO HAVE AN
09/03/09 11:30:26 EXCEPTION
09/03/09 11:30:27 FOR RECOGNIZED ANIMAL RESCUE
09/03/09 11:30:27 PERSON.
09/03/09 11:30:29 THEY HAVE TO BE RECOGNIZED.
09/03/09 11:30:31 THEY CAN'T JUST SAY, I'M AN
09/03/09 11:30:32 ANIMAL RESCUE PERSON.
09/03/09 11:30:34 BUT YOU KNOW, THEY NEED TO BE
09/03/09 11:30:36 PART OF AN ORGANIZATION.
09/03/09 11:30:38 THEY NEED TO SHOW SOME SORT OF
09/03/09 11:30:40 DOCUMENTATION THAT THEY ARE PART
09/03/09 11:30:41 OF A RECOGNIZED RESCUE PROCESS
09/03/09 11:30:43 FLORED TO BE PART OF THIS
09/03/09 11:30:46 EXCEPTION THAT WE'RE
09/03/09 11:30:49 PROPOSING.
09/03/09 11:30:50 WITH THAT, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A
09/03/09 11:30:53 DRAFT OF AN OSHED NANS COME BACK
09/03/09 11:30:53 IN 30 DAYS.
09/03/09 11:30:54 >> SECOND.
09/03/09 11:30:57 >> THAT'S FINE.
09/03/09 11:30:58 >> I THINK WE'RE GOOD.
09/03/09 11:31:04 >> WE
09/03/09 11:31:05 HAVE DONE SOME RESEARCH
09/03/09 11:31:06 ON THIS.
09/03/09 11:31:08 I UNDERSTOOD THIS WAS GOING TO
09/03/09 11:31:09 BE CONTINUED FOR MORE
09/03/09 11:31:09 DISCUSSION.
09/03/09 11:31:10 WHERE WOULD THE ORDINANCE GO?
09/03/09 11:31:12 WHA T ARE YOU LOOKING FOR?
09/03/09 11:31:13 >> I WOULD TAG IT AS AN
09/03/09 11:31:16 EXCEPTION
09/03/09 11:31:17 TO OUR EXISTING CODE
09/03/09 11:31:17 PROVISION.
09/03/09 11:31:18 >> SPECIAL USE?
09/03/09 11:31:19 >> ISN'T
09/03/09 11:31:21 THERE A CODE PROVISION
09/03/09 11:31:24 THAT SAYS YOU'RE ONLY ALLOWED X
09/03/09 11:31:25 NUMBER OF ANIMALS IN YOUR HOME.
09/03/09 11:31:28 >> YES, IT IS FOUR ANIMALS,
09/03/09 11:31:29 AS
09/03/09 11:31:31 A COMMERCIAL ESTABLISHMENT FOR A
09/03/09 11:31:31 KENNEL.
09/03/09 11:31:32 >> THAT'S THE APPROPRIATE
09/03/09 11:31:34 PLACE, CREATE AN EXCEPTION
09/03/09 11:31:37 THERE, TO SAY UNLESS YOU ARE A
09/03/09 11:31:40 RECOGNIZED RESCUE SHELTER TYPE
09/03/09 11:31:40 OF OPERATION.
09/03/09 11:31:43 AND THEN PERHAPS HAVE SOME
09/03/09 11:31:45 ADDITIONAL PROVISIONS IN THERE
09/03/09 11:31:46 TO MAKE SURE THE NEIGHBORS AND
09/03/09 11:31:49 NEIGHBORHOOD GETS PROTECTED AS
09/03/09 11:31:49 WELL.
09/03/09 11:31:52 >>
09/03/09 11:31:52 OKAY.
09/03/09 11:31:56 IT WOULD BE IN THE NEXT CYCLE
09/03/09 11:31:56 IF
09/03/09 11:31:57 IT'S AN AMENDMENT, IN THE
09/03/09 11:31:58 JANUARY CYCLE, JUST TO PUT THAT
09/03/09 11:31:59 OUT THERE.
09/03/09 11:32:01 >> WE DO THE CYCLES TWICE A
09/03/09 11:32:01 YEAR?
09/03/09 11:32:02 >> CORRECT.
09/03/09 11:32:03 >> I MADE THIS MOTION IN JUNE.
09/03/09 11:32:05 >> THE MOTION DID NOT ACTUALLY
09/03/09 11:32:08 SPECIFY THAT ANYTHING WAS TO BE
09/03/09 11:32:09 DRAFTED.
09/03/09 11:32:10 IT SPECIFICALLY SAID THAT THE
09/03/09 11:32:11 LEGAL DEPARTMENT AND LAND
09/03/09 11:32:14 DEVELOPMENT WERE TO DISCUSS THE
09/03/09 11:32:15 ISSUE AND COME BACK.
09/03/09 11:32:15 >> I DON'T HAVE THE MINUTES AND
09/03/09 11:32:19 I DON'T WANT TO ARGUE
09/03/09 11:32:19 ABOUT IT.
09/03/09 11:32:21 THAT'S FINE IF WE HAVE TO WAIT,
09/03/09 11:32:23 BUT I JUST WANT TO GET THIS
09/03/09 11:32:24 THING MOVING.
09/03/09 11:32:25 >> COUNCILWOMAN SAUL-SENA.
09/03/09 11:32:28 >> DO YOU MEET ON A
09/03/09 11:32:28 MONTHLY
09/03/09 11:32:28 BASIS?
09/03/09 11:32:31 O
09/03/09 11:32:34 R A BIANNUAL BASIS TO SHARE
09/03/09 11:32:35 WITH THEM THE NEW PROPOSALS?
09/03/09 11:32:37 >> I HOLD PUBLIC INFORMATION
09/03/09 11:32:38 MEETINGS IN THIS CHAMBER AND
09/03/09 11:32:41 INVITE THE PUBLIC TO THEM, SO WE
09/03/09 11:32:43 GET THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY
09/03/09 11:32:43 AND ANYONE ELSE.
09/03/09 11:32:45 >> I THINK FOR THIS, IT WOULD
09/03/09 11:32:48 BE HELPFUL TO HAVE BUY IN FROM
09/03/09 11:32:50 FAN, AND I WOULD HOPE WHEN YOU
09/03/09 11:32:51 DRAFT SOMETHING, SHARE SOME
09/03/09 11:32:52 INFORMATION WITH THEM AND FOR
09/03/09 11:32:52 INPUT.
09/03/09 11:32:55 >> IF IT GOES INTO THE 27
09/03/09 11:32:57 CYCLE, THEY WILL SEE IT.
09/03/09 11:33:00 >> I JAWS WANTED TO --I JUST
09/03/09 11:33:02 WANTED MAKE SURE NEIGHBORHOODS
09/03/09 11:33:03 HAD A CHANCE.
09/03/09 11:33:05 >> YOU'RE LOOKING FOR ANIMAL
09/03/09 11:33:05 RESCUE IN ANY DISTRICT?
09/03/09 11:33:06 >> YES.
09/03/09 11:33:08 >> WE DID DO SOME INITIAL
09/03/09 11:33:11 RESEARCH, BECAUSE I THINK THE
09/03/09 11:33:12 CONVERSATION WAS ABOUT HILLSBORO
09/03/09 11:33:12 COUNTY.
09/03/09 11:33:15 WE DID CONTACT THEM, AND
09/03/09 11:33:18 IT'S
09/03/09 11:33:20 NOT IN THEIR DEVELOPMENT.
09/03/09 11:33:21 THEY COULDN'T FIND ANY
09/03/09 11:33:23 INFORMATION ABOUT ANY NEW RULES.
09/03/09 11:33:25 I'M NOT SURE --THEY ARE LIMITED
09/03/09 11:33:27 TO THREE ANIMALS, WE ALLOW FOUR.
09/03/09 11:33:28 >> IN THE BASIC CODE.
09/03/09 11:33:31 >> BUT IT'S
09/03/09 11:33:34 MY UNDERSTANDING
09/03/09 11:33:37 THAT ANIMAL RESCUE
09/03/09 11:33:40 --THIS
09/03/09 11:33:41 IS
09/03/09 11:33:44 OUR CITY CODE, CHAPTER 19.77.
09/03/09 11:33:46 >> YES, THAT'S THE CODE
09/03/09 11:33:46 ENFORCEMENT CHAPTER.
09/03/09 11:33:48 >> THAT SPEAKS TO ANIMALS BEING
09/03/09 11:33:49 A NUISANCE.
09/03/09 11:33:50 MAYBE WE CAN TAG IT INTO HERE.
09/03/09 11:33:52 >> IT WOULD HAVE TO BE A
09/03/09 11:33:55 CHANGE, I THINK, TO BOTH CODES.
09/03/09 11:33:56 ACTUALLY BECAUSE IF YOU READ
09/03/09 11:33:57 THAT, YOU WILL NOTICE THAT
09/03/09 11:33:58 KENNELS ARE DECLARED A NEW SANS.
09/03/09 11:34:01 THEY ARE DECLARED A
09/03/09 11:34:04 NUSENS BY
09/03/09 11:34:05 THAT DEFINITION.
09/03/09 11:34:07 >> THAT'S WHAT PROMPTED THIS
09/03/09 11:34:10 COMPLAINT, THEY WENT IN UNDER
09/03/09 11:34:13 19.77 AND SAID MY NEIGHBOR IS A
09/03/09 11:34:15 NUISANCE BECAUSE HE HAS 8 OR 10
09/03/09 11:34:15 DEPOSITION.
09/03/09 11:34:17 AND THEN WHEN WE FLESHED IT OUT,
09/03/09 11:34:20 HE WAS TRYING TO DO A GOOD
09/03/09 11:34:20 THING.
09/03/09 11:34:22 AND CINDY JUST TOLD ME THAT THE
09/03/09 11:34:25 ANIMAL RESCUE GROUPS ARE
09/03/09 11:34:26 REGISTERED WITH THE COUNTY.
09/03/09 11:34:29 THEY HAVE
09/03/09 11:34:30 A REGISTRATION PROCESS
09/03/09 11:34:33 SO IF JOHN WANTS TO
09/03/09 11:34:34 DO WHATEVER
09/03/09 11:34:35 RESCUE, I GO DOWN TO THE COUNTY
09/03/09 11:34:37 AND OFFICIALLY REGISTER WITH
09/03/09 11:34:37 THEM.
09/03/09 11:34:40 WE HAVE PLENTY OF TIME TO PUT IT
09/03/09 11:34:42 TOGETHER NOW SINCE IT'S GOING TO
09/03/09 11:34:44 BE IN YOUR NEXT CYCLE.
09/03/09 11:34:47 MY MOTION WOULD BE TO INCLUDE
09/03/09 11:34:49 IT
09/03/09 11:34:52 IN THE NEXT CHAPTER 27 CYCLE.
09/03/09 11:34:53 >> SECOND.
09/03/09 11:34:56 >> MOVED AND SECOND THAT
09/03/09 11:34:56 WE
09/03/09 11:34:58 BRING BACK THE ORDINANCE ON THE
09/03/09 11:35:01 RESCUE ANIMALS
09/03/09 11:35:04 IN THE NEXT
09/03/09 11:35:05 ROUND, CHAPTER 27.
09/03/09 11:35:06 ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
09/03/09 11:35:07 >> AYE.
09/03/09 11:35:10 >> THAT WAS
09/03/09 11:35:11 SECONDED.
09/03/09 11:35:14 >> MR. CHAIRMAN, ARE YOU STILL
09/03/09 11:35:16 CONTINUING ITEM 80 TO OCTOBER
09/03/09 11:35:16 1st, THEN?
09/03/09 11:35:18 >> NO, WE WILL STRIKE THAT,
09/03/09 11:35:18 THEN.
09/03/09 11:35:22 >> THANK YOU.
09/03/09 11:35:25 ITEM 82, IT IS
09/03/09 11:35:25 MY UNDERSTANDING
09/03/09 11:35:27 STAFF WILL NOT BE APPEARING ON
09/03/09 11:35:28 THIS.
09/03/09 11:35:29 I DON'T KNOW, COUNCILWOMAN
09/03/09 11:35:31 SAUL-SENA, HOW YOU WANT TO
09/03/09 11:35:31 --ITEM 82.
09/03/09 11:35:33 >> WE HAVE BEEN TOLD BY LEGAL
09/03/09 11:35:35 STAFF THAT WE CAN'T SPEAK ABOUT
09/03/09 11:35:38 IT, SO
09/03/09 11:35:41 WE CAN'T SPEAK.
09/03/09 11:35:46 >> SECOND.
09/03/09 11:35:47 >> SAY AYE.
09/03/09 11:35:48 >> AYE.
09/03/09 11:35:50 >> NEW BUSINESS.
09/03/09 11:35:52 >> ITEM 84.
09/03/09 11:35:53 >> I
09/03/09 11:35:55 MOVE THE RESOLUTION.
09/03/09 11:35:57 >> SECOND.
09/03/09 11:35:59 >> I MISSED THAT ONE.
09/03/09 11:36:02 ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
09/03/09 11:36:03 >> AYE.
09/03/09 11:36:06 >>
09/03/09 11:36:09 OKAY.
09/03/09 11:36:10 NEW BUSINESS.
09/03/09 11:36:12 >> COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
09/03/09 11:36:15 >> SINCE MR. CHAIRMAN MOVED OUR
09/03/09 11:36:17 AGENDA SO WELL TODAY, I'LL GO
09/03/09 11:36:19 AHEAD AND DO MINE.
09/03/09 11:36:22 FILL UP
09/03/09 11:36:26 THE
09/03/09 11:36:28 DEAD AIR.
09/03/09 11:36:28 OKAY.
09/03/09 11:36:31 HEART LINE AS YOU SENT ME TO AS
09/03/09 11:36:34 YOUR REPRESENTATIVE WHICH IS OF
09/03/09 11:36:35 COURSE OUR BUS SERVICE IS
09/03/09 11:36:37 CELEBRATING ITS 30th ANNIVERSARY
09/03/09 11:36:38 THIS YEAR.
09/03/09 11:36:41 SO WHAT DOES THAT MAKE IT?
09/03/09 11:36:44 1979 ?
09/03/09 11:36:46 AN D IN CELEBRATION, I JUST
09/03/09 11:36:47 WANTED TO LET EVERYBODY KNOW
09/03/09 11:36:50 THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE
09/03/09 11:36:52 A
09/03/09 11:36:53 PRESENTATION AT GASLIGHT PARK
09/03/09 11:36:56 RIGHT NEXT DOOR HERE DOWNTOWN ON
09/03/09 11:36:59 SEPTEMBER 30th AT NOON FROM NOON
09/03/09 11:37:00 TO 2:00.
09/03/09 11:37:02 SO I INVITE ALL OF COUNCIL TO
09/03/09 11:37:05 COME JOIN IN THE CELEBRATION,
09/03/09 11:37:07 AND MR. CHAIRMAN, WITH YOUR
09/03/09 11:37:10 INDULGENCE, I WOULD LIKE TO
09/03/09 11:37:11 PRESENT A COMMENDATION AT THAT
09/03/09 11:37:14 TIME ON BEHALF OF
09/03/09 11:37:15 TAMPA CITY
09/03/09 11:37:15 COUNCIL.
09/03/09 11:37:16 >> SECOND.
09/03/09 11:37:18 >> ANYTHING ELSE?
09/03/09 11:37:19 >> COUNCIL
09/03/09 11:37:21 WOMAN MULHEM.
09/03/09 11:37:24 >> NOTHING, MR. CHAIRMAN.
09/03/09 11:37:26 >> COUNCILWOMAN SAUL-SENA.
09/03/09 11:37:29 >> WE ALL RECEIVED A MEMO
09/03/09 11:37:29 FROM
09/03/09 11:37:31 OUR ATTORNEY CHIP FLETCHER ABOUT
09/03/09 11:37:32 NONPROFITS, AND I WOULD LIKE TO
09/03/09 11:37:35 PUT THAT ON OUR AGENDA FOR
09/03/09 11:37:36 STAFF
09/03/09 11:37:36 REPORTS, ABOUT NONPROFITS AND
09/03/09 11:37:37 THE KIND OF INFORMATION THEY
09/03/09 11:37:38 HAVE TO PROVIDE.
09/03/09 11:37:40 I'D LIKE TO PUT THAT ON THE
09/03/09 11:37:43 AGENDA FOR OUR NEXT COUNCIL
09/03/09 11:37:46 MEETING AT 10:30 SO WE CAN
09/03/09 11:37:47 HAVE
09/03/09 11:37:48 A DISCUSSION.
09/03/09 11:37:49 FOR US TO PROVIDE SOME PUBLIC
09/03/09 11:37:49 INPUT.
09/03/09 11:37:51 I THINK THAT IT WOULD BE GOOD TO
09/03/09 11:37:54 HAVE A CONVERSATION AMONG
09/03/09 11:37:54 COUNCIL MEMBERS.
09/03/09 11:37:56 THAT'S NUMBER ONE.
09/03/09 11:37:59 AND NUMBER TWO, AT
09/03/09 11:38:00 OUR NEXT
09/03/09 11:38:01 COUNCIL MEETING, I'VE SEEN THE
09/03/09 11:38:02 REPORT, AND I THINK I'VE
09/03/09 11:38:06 CIRCULATED IT AMONG
09/03/09 11:38:09 YOU.
09/03/09 11:38:11 BOB ABERGER WAS COMMISSIONED BY
09/03/09 11:38:12 THE COUNTY TO LOOK AT ECONOMIC
09/03/09 11:38:12 DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES.
09/03/09 11:38:15 WE NEED TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN
09/03/09 11:38:18 TO ENCOURAGE LOCAL BUSINESS TO
09/03/09 11:38:19 FLOURISH AND ATTRACT NEW
09/03/09 11:38:19 BUSINESS.
09/03/09 11:38:21 IT'S A GREAT REPORT.
09/03/09 11:38:21 HE HAS A FIVE-MINUTE
09/03/09 11:38:23 PRESENTATION ON IT, AND I WOULD
09/03/09 11:38:25 LIKE HIM TO APPEAR AT THE
09/03/09 11:38:27 BEGINNING --OR AT SOME POINT
09/03/09 11:38:28 DURING OUR NEXT COUNCIL MEETING
09/03/09 11:38:30 AND PRESENT THIS TO US.
09/03/09 11:38:31 PERHAPS AT 9:00.
09/03/09 11:38:32 HE'S A BUSY GUY, AND THAT WILL
09/03/09 11:38:34 GET IT OUT OF THE WAY.
09/03/09 11:38:37 MY MOTION IS TO HAVE HIM DO THIS
09/03/09 11:38:37 FIVE-MINUTE PRESENTATION ON
09/03/09 11:38:39 ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FOR OUR
09/03/09 11:38:39 COMMUNITY.
09/03/09 11:38:40 >> WHEN?
09/03/09 11:38:40 TWO WEEKS?
09/03/09 11:38:41 >> THE 17th.
09/03/09 11:38:43 >> YOU WANT IT ON THE STAFF
09/03/09 11:38:43 REPORT?
09/03/09 11:38:45 >> NO, AT THE BEGINNING OF THE
09/03/09 11:38:45 MEETING.
09/03/09 11:38:48 YOU KNOW, WHERE THE PUBLIC
09/03/09 11:38:50 SPEAKS, TO HAVE JUST GIVE HIM
09/03/09 11:38:51 FIVE MINUTES RATHER THAN THREE.
09/03/09 11:38:52 >> PUT IT ON THE AGENDA.
09/03/09 11:38:55 >> YES, AT #12K FOR A BRIEF
09/03/09 11:38:58 PRESENTATION BY HIM OF THIS
09/03/09 11:39:01 ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INITIATIVE.
09/03/09 11:39:02 >> YOU WANT IT AFTER THE PUBLIC
09/03/09 11:39:03 COMMENT?
09/03/09 11:39:04 >> I WAS GOING TO PUT IT AS
09/03/09 11:39:07 PART OF PUBLIC COMMENT.
09/03/09 11:39:09 >> PUT IT AT 9:00, AND WE WILL
09/03/09 11:39:11 WORK HIM IN AFTER THE PUBLIC
09/03/09 11:39:11 COMMENT.
09/03/09 11:39:12 >> THANK YOU.
09/03/09 11:39:15 >> MOVED
09/03/09 11:39:18 AND SECOND.
09/03/09 11:39:21 >>
09/03/09 11:39:24 MR. CHAIR, WE STILL HAVE THE
09/03/09 11:39:27 MOTION ABOUT COUNCIL MEMBER
09/03/09 11:39:30 SAUL-SENA ABOUT THE
09/03/09 11:39:35 ITEMS BEING
09/03/09 11:39:36 PLACED ON THE AGENDA.
09/03/09 11:39:39 >> MOVED AND SECOND --IT WAS
09/03/09 11:39:39 SECONDED?
09/03/09 11:39:41 >> DIDN'T HAVE A SECOND.
09/03/09 11:39:44 >> I THOUGHT COUNCILMAN
09/03/09 11:39:45 DINGFELDER SECOND THIS HAD ONE?
09/03/09 11:39:46 >> HE DID.
09/03/09 11:39:48 >> THIS IS THE CITY ATTORNEY TO
09/03/09 11:39:51 REPORT BACK TO
09/03/09 11:39:53 US ON THE
09/03/09 11:39:53 NONPROFITS.
09/03/09 11:39:55 RIGHT, MOVED AND SECOND.
09/03/09 11:39:58 ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
09/03/09 11:39:58 OKAY.
09/03/09 11:40:01 AND THEN I HAVE ONE ITEM,
09/03/09 11:40:02 AND
09/03/09 11:40:06 THAT'S REQUEST FOR
09/03/09 11:40:09 COMMENDATION
09/03/09 11:40:12 TO
09/03/09 11:40:14 THE 2009 CONFERENCE BPO ELKS
09/03/09 11:40:15 ORDER.
09/03/09 11:40:18 I WILL BE PRESENTING AT THE
09/03/09 11:40:18 CONFERENCE.
09/03/09 11:40:19 THAT'S MY MOTION.
09/03/09 11:40:20 >> SECOND.
09/03/09 11:40:23 >>
09/03/09 11:40:25 OKAY.
09/03/09 11:40:26 ANY OTHER NEW BUSINESS?
09/03/09 11:40:27 ANYTHIN G ELSE?
09/03/09 11:40:28 MOTIO N RECEIVED AND FILE.
09/03/09 11:40:31 >> SECOND.
09/03/09 11:40:34 >> OKAY, THEN WE STAND IN
09/03/09 11:40:34 RECESS UNTIL 1:30.
09/03/09 11:40:37 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

09/03/09 13:38:20 >>> TAMPA CITY COUNCIL WILL NOW
09/03/09 13:38:22 COME TO ORDER.
09/03/09 13:38:22 ROLL CALL.
09/03/09 13:38:23 >> CAETANO.
09/03/09 13:38:24 >> SAUL-SENA.
09/03/09 13:38:26 >> HERE.
09/03/09 13:38:27 >> MILLER.
09/03/09 13:38:28 >> MIRANDA.
09/03/09 13:38:29 >> DINGFELDER.
09/03/09 13:38:30 >> HERE.
09/03/09 13:38:30 >> SCOTT.
09/03/09 13:38:33 >>> WE ARE HAVING A
09/03/09 13:38:34 BUDGET
09/03/09 13:38:35 WORKSHOP HERE TODAY.
09/03/09 13:38:38 AND BEFORE I TURN
09/03/09 13:38:40 IT OVER TO
09/03/09 13:38:41 COUNCILMAN MULHERN WHO WILL
09/03/09 13:38:43 DIRECT US IN TERMS OF THE
09/03/09 13:38:45 WORKSHOP, THERE IS AN ISSUE I
09/03/09 13:38:46 WANT TO RAISE BEFORE COUNCIL
09/03/09 13:38:48 TODAY AND I WANT TO RAISE THE
09/03/09 13:38:51 ISSUE WITH A
09/03/09 13:38:52 FULL COUNCIL.
09/03/09 13:38:55 SO I
09/03/09 13:38:58 DON'T KNOW
09/03/09 13:39:00 --I DON'T
09/03/09 13:39:02 WANT TO GET INTO THE BUDGET.
09/03/09 13:39:04 I WANT TO GET INTO THIS ISSUE
09/03/09 13:39:04 FIRST.
09/03/09 13:39:07 BECAUSE IT HAS REFERENCE
09/03/09 13:39:10 TO THE
09/03/09 13:39:13 CHARTER.
09/03/09 13:39:15 OKAY.
09/03/09 13:39:18 GO AHEAD
09/03/09 13:39:21 GO AHEAD.
09/03/09 13:39:22 I JUST THINK WE SHOULD HAVE A
09/03/09 13:39:25 FULL COUNCIL ON THIS ISSUE.
09/03/09 13:39:25 >> OKAY.
09/03/09 13:39:26 ALL RIGHT.
09/03/09 13:39:29 WELL, I AM GOING TO OPEN
09/03/09 13:39:29 THE
09/03/09 13:39:32 PUBLIC
09/03/09 13:39:35 --THE WORKSHOP
09/03/09 13:39:36 --
09/03/09 13:39:38 COUNCIL BUDGET WORKSHOP AND I
09/03/09 13:39:41 BELIEVE, IT WASN'T WRITTEN OUT
09/03/09 13:39:43 ON THE AGENDA BUT I BELIEVE WE
09/03/09 13:39:45 WILL HAVE THE CITIZEN'S
09/03/09 13:39:48 ADVISORY COMMITTEE --IS THAT
09/03/09 13:39:51 WHAT YOU UNDERSTOOD?
09/03/09 13:39:51 OKAY.
09/03/09 13:39:54 CITIZEN'S ADVISORY COMMITTEE, 7
09/03/09 13:39:55 CITIZENS EACH CITIZEN APPOINTED
09/03/09 13:39:58 BY ONE OF US ON COUNCIL HAS
09/03/09 13:40:00 BEEN FOLLOWING WHAT THEY COULD
09/03/09 13:40:02 OF THE BUDGET AND IS GOING TO
09/03/09 13:40:04 MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO US
09/03/09 13:40:04 TODAY.
09/03/09 13:40:06 SO I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM
09/03/09 13:40:07 THEM TO START WITH.
09/03/09 13:40:11 >> IF I CAN JUST GIVE
09/03/09 13:40:13 AN
09/03/09 13:40:13 INTRODUCTION.
09/03/09 13:40:14 >> SURE.
09/03/09 13:40:15 >> BONNIE WISE.
09/03/09 13:40:17 DIRECTOR OF BUDGET AND FINANCE.
09/03/09 13:40:19 THIS IS THE LAST BUDGET
09/03/09 13:40:21 WORKSHOP WE WILL HAVE BEFORE
09/03/09 13:40:23 THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING
09/03/09 13:40:24 SCHEDULED FOR WEDNESDAY THE
09/03/09 13:40:24 9th.
09/03/09 13:40:25 THIS COMING WEDNESDAY.
09/03/09 13:40:27 SO I JUST WANT TO REMIND YOU
09/03/09 13:40:29 BECAUSE IT IS SOON AFTER THE
09/03/09 13:40:30 HOLIDAY ON MONDAY.
09/03/09 13:40:33 AND THEN THE SECOND ONE
09/03/09 13:40:33 ON THE
09/03/09 13:40:33 23rd.
09/03/09 13:40:36 OF COURSE JUST TO REMIND
09/03/09 13:40:37 YOU
09/03/09 13:40:39 AUGUST 6th WE HAD WHERE WE
09/03/09 13:40:42 PRESENTED THE BUDGET TO YOU.
09/03/09 13:40:44 WE DID DELIVER YESTERDAY THE
09/03/09 13:40:46 LINE ITEM DETAIL FOR THE
09/03/09 13:40:47 DEPARTMENT BUDGET.
09/03/09 13:40:50 TODAY WE WILL
09/03/09 13:40:52 HEAR FROM
09/03/09 13:40:53 CITIZEN'S COMMITTEE WHO HAVE
09/03/09 13:40:56 SPENT A LOT OF TIME WORKING
09/03/09 13:40:56 WITH OUR STAFF.
09/03/09 13:40:58 WE WILL HAVE A PRESENTATION
09/03/09 13:41:00 REGARDING THE VEHICLE STUDY.
09/03/09 13:41:03 WE TALKED ABOUT THIS
09/03/09 13:41:03 BEFORE AND
09/03/09 13:41:06 YOU REQUESTED WE GIVE A
09/03/09 13:41:07 PRESENTATION REGARDING THAT AS
09/03/09 13:41:07 WELL.
09/03/09 13:41:10 THAT IS THE AGENDA
09/03/09 13:41:12 FOR TODAY.
09/03/09 13:41:14 >> THANK YOU.
09/03/09 13:41:16 PARKER ANDERSON WHO CHAIRED THE
09/03/09 13:41:18 COMMITTEE FOR US WILL PRESENT
09/03/09 13:41:19 THEIR FINDINGS.
09/03/09 13:41:20 >> THANK YOU.
09/03/09 13:41:22 NOW WE THEORETICALLY HAVE A
09/03/09 13:41:23 POWER POINT PRESENTATION BUT I
09/03/09 13:41:25 AM NOT SURE IF THE TECHNOLOGY
09/03/09 13:41:28 --HERE WE ARE.
09/03/09 13:41:28 OKAY.
09/03/09 13:41:30 THANK YOU CITY
09/03/09 13:41:32 COUNCILMEMBERTHANK YOU TO THE
09/03/09 13:41:33 DEPARTMENT HEAD, CITY
09/03/09 13:41:35 DEPARTMENT HEAD WHO SO
09/03/09 13:41:36 GRACIOUSLY DONATED THEIR TIME
09/03/09 13:41:39 TO HELP US
09/03/09 13:41:42 GATHER FACTS
09/03/09 13:41:43 BEFORE
09/03/09 13:41:43 THIS REPORT.
09/03/09 13:41:46 JUST A BRIEF MOMENT
09/03/09 13:41:48 ON THE
09/03/09 13:41:48 COMMITTEE CHARTER.
09/03/09 13:41:51 WE WERE LOOKING AT
09/03/09 13:41:53 FOUR THINGS,
09/03/09 13:41:56 EXAMINING THE BUDGET,
09/03/09 13:41:56 REVIEWING
09/03/09 13:41:57 CHANGES, LOOKING AT CHANGES
09/03/09 13:42:00 COUNCIL NEEDS TO BE AWARE OF
09/03/09 13:42:01 IN
09/03/09 13:42:03 FISCAL 10 AND 11 AND GET YOU
09/03/09 13:42:06 ALL SOME HEADS UP ON ISSUES
09/03/09 13:42:06 COMING NEXT YEAR.
09/03/09 13:42:09 A LOT OF OUR FACT FINDING WAS
09/03/09 13:42:10 COMPRISED OF MEETINGS WITH EACH
09/03/09 13:42:13 DEPARTMENT HEAD OF
09/03/09 13:42:15 THE CITY,
09/03/09 13:42:16 THESE DEPARTMENT HEAD MEETINGS
09/03/09 13:42:17 BASICALLY WERE COMPRISED OF
09/03/09 13:42:20 LOOKING AT THEIR 2009
09/03/09 13:42:20 BUDGETS,
09/03/09 13:42:22 THEIR ORGANIZATION CHARTS AND
09/03/09 13:42:23 TRYING TO UNDERSTAND
09/03/09 13:42:24 FUNCTIONALITY OF THE
09/03/09 13:42:25 DEPARTMENTS AND SPEAKING WITH
09/03/09 13:42:28 EACH OF THEM ABOUT THEIR 2010
09/03/09 13:42:30 INITIATIVES FOR IMPROVING
09/03/09 13:42:31 DEPARTMENT COST CUTTING ET
09/03/09 13:42:32 CETERA, ET CETERA.
09/03/09 13:42:33 THOSE REVIEWS WERE A GREAT
09/03/09 13:42:36 SOURCE OF INFORMATION
09/03/09 13:42:36 FOR THE
09/03/09 13:42:36 COMMITTEE.
09/03/09 13:42:38 WE THANK THE DEPARTMENT HEADS
09/03/09 13:42:41 FOR TAKING THE
09/03/09 13:42:43 TIME.
09/03/09 13:42:46 >>> THE 2002 BUDGET INFORMATION
09/03/09 13:42:48 --THAT'S NOT TRUE THE BUDGET
09/03/09 13:42:50 ITSELF WAS PUBLISHED
09/03/09 13:42:50 AUGUST 6th.
09/03/09 13:42:53 THE SUMMARY WITH A
09/03/09 13:42:56 LINE BY LINE
09/03/09 13:42:58 DETAIL CAME OUT TO US YESTERDAY
09/03/09 13:43:00 SO IT WAS A BIT LATER THAN
09/03/09 13:43:00 USUAL.
09/03/09 13:43:02 WHERE AS WE COULD WITHOUT THE
09/03/09 13:43:04 LINE ITEM DETAIL, WE WERE ABLE
09/03/09 13:43:06 TO DO SOME ANALYSIS AND
09/03/09 13:43:08 COMPARISON OF 2010 TO 2009 BUT
09/03/09 13:43:09 IT WAS LIMITED.
09/03/09 13:43:11 WE COULDN'T GET DOWN TO THE
09/03/09 13:43:14 ACTUAL LINE ITEM DETAIL FOR
09/03/09 13:43:15 EACH DEPARTMENT.
09/03/09 13:43:18 WE COULD LOOK AT SOME SUMMARY
09/03/09 13:43:19 COMPARISONS, BUT COULD NOT GET
09/03/09 13:43:22 TO LEVEL OF DETAIL WE
09/03/09 13:43:22 WOULD
09/03/09 13:43:25 NORMALLY WANT TO DO, WITHOUT
09/03/09 13:43:26 A
09/03/09 13:43:26 BUDGET SUPPLEMENT DOCUMENTS.
09/03/09 13:43:29 IN GENERAL, I THINK, WE FOUND
09/03/09 13:43:32 INFORMATION WAS A LITTLE
09/03/09 13:43:32 MORE
09/03/09 13:43:33 DIFFICULT TO OBTAIN.
09/03/09 13:43:35 THE BIGGER PART OF THAT PROBLEM
09/03/09 13:43:36 WAS LINE ITEM BUDGET SUMMARY
09/03/09 13:43:38 WHICH DIDN'T COME OUT UNTIL
09/03/09 13:43:39 YESTERDAY BUT SOME QUESTIONS
09/03/09 13:43:41 TOOK LONGER TO ANSWER THAN LAST
09/03/09 13:43:43 YEAR PARTLY TO PERSONNEL TURN
09/03/09 13:43:46 OVER
09/03/09 13:43:48 WITHIN THE CITY.
09/03/09 13:43:50 MOVING ON TO 2010.
09/03/09 13:43:52 IN GENERAL, WE WOULD COMMEND
09/03/09 13:43:55 THE ADMINISTRATION FOR A
09/03/09 13:43:56 BALANCED BUDGET GOING INTO
09/03/09 13:43:56 2010.
09/03/09 13:43:58 THEY HAVE TAKEN SOME HARD
09/03/09 13:44:01 ACTIONS TO CLOSE
09/03/09 13:44:02 MAJOR BUDGET
09/03/09 13:44:02 GAPS.
09/03/09 13:44:05 TRANSFERRED MONEYS IN FROM
09/03/09 13:44:05 FUND
09/03/09 13:44:06 BALANCES, PROPOSED SUSPENSION
09/03/09 13:44:08 OF MERIT AND COST OF LIVING
09/03/09 13:44:11 RAISES FOR CITY EMPLOYEES,
09/03/09 13:44:13 DEFERRED CAPITAL EXPENSE AND
09/03/09 13:44:16 ELIMINATED A NUMBER OF
09/03/09 13:44:18 POSITION
09/03/09 13:44:21 WITHIN
09/03/09 13:44:23 CITY GOVERNMENT TO FOR
09/03/09 13:44:23 2010.
09/03/09 13:44:25 WE COMMEND THE CITY FOR
09/03/09 13:44:28 PREPARING A BALANCED BUDGET
09/03/09 13:44:29 FOR
09/03/09 13:44:30 2010.
09/03/09 13:44:32 THE OBVIOUS ISSUES TO WATCH FOR
09/03/09 13:44:33 AS 2010 OCCURS, FIRST AND
09/03/09 13:44:36 FOREMOST THE
09/03/09 13:44:39 PAY ISSUE.
09/03/09 13:44:42 THE DEFERRAL OF COST OF
09/03/09 13:44:44 LIVING
09/03/09 13:44:45 AND PAY INCREASES.
09/03/09 13:44:47 TO THE EXTENT THAT THE ISSUE
09/03/09 13:44:50 DOES NOT GET RESOLVED ON OR
09/03/09 13:44:52 BEFORE THE FIRST OF OCTOBER,
09/03/09 13:44:54 RAISES WILL BE GIVEN TO
09/03/09 13:44:56 EMPLOYEES AS THEY WOULD
09/03/09 13:44:59 NATURALLY OCCUR DURING THE
09/03/09 13:44:59 MONTH OF OCTOBER.
09/03/09 13:45:02 THOSE ARE NOT IN THE BUDGET AND
09/03/09 13:45:03 THAT WOULD CREATE A BUDGET
09/03/09 13:45:05 DEFICIT RIGHT OFF THE BAT.
09/03/09 13:45:08 IF THAT ITEM DOES NOT GET
09/03/09 13:45:11 CLOSED IN AN EXPEDIENT MATTER,
09/03/09 13:45:13 THERE WILL BE A BUDGET GAP
09/03/09 13:45:16 MONTH BY MONTH AS THAT
09/03/09 13:45:16 OCCURS.
09/03/09 13:45:18 >>> ANOTHER RISK IS PROPERTY
09/03/09 13:45:21 TAXES AND SALES
09/03/09 13:45:22 TAX REVENUES.
09/03/09 13:45:25 THEY DON'T MEET
09/03/09 13:45:26 EXPECTATIONS OR
09/03/09 13:45:28 PROJECTIONS WHICH IN THIS
09/03/09 13:45:29 ENVIRONMENT IS EXPECTED.
09/03/09 13:45:31 NATURAL DISASTER SHOULD BEFALL
09/03/09 13:45:33 THE CITY THAT COULD CREATE A
09/03/09 13:45:36 NATURAL BUDGET IMPACT AND
09/03/09 13:45:38 ALWAYS A SHORT FALL OF
09/03/09 13:45:39 ENTERPRISE REVENUE AS THE
09/03/09 13:45:42 RECESSION DRAGS ON AND DEMAND
09/03/09 13:45:45 FOR UTILITIES MAY WANE
09/03/09 13:45:48 OR
09/03/09 13:45:48 DECREASE OVERTIME.
09/03/09 13:45:50 OUR MAIN MESSAGE TO YOU IS THAT
09/03/09 13:45:53 2010 IS A TOUGH
09/03/09 13:45:54 BUDGET WITH
09/03/09 13:45:54 TOUGH MEASURES.
09/03/09 13:45:57 WITH THE PAY PROPOSALS
09/03/09 13:45:57 WITH
09/03/09 13:45:59 DEFER OF CAPITAL.
09/03/09 13:46:01 2011 COULD BE A FAR MORE
09/03/09 13:46:04 DIFFICULT YEAR
09/03/09 13:46:05 FOR SEVERAL
09/03/09 13:46:07 REASONS, FIRSTLY, THE FUND
09/03/09 13:46:09 BALANCES WHICH HELPED BALANCE
09/03/09 13:46:12 THE BUDGET IN FISCAL 2010
09/03/09 13:46:12 WILL
09/03/09 13:46:13 BE UNAVAILABLE IN 2011.
09/03/09 13:46:16 FUND BALANCES AT THE END OF
09/03/09 13:46:17 THE
09/03/09 13:46:18 FISCAL 10 BUDGET YEAR WILL HAVE
09/03/09 13:46:20 BEEN DRAWN DOWN TO 20% OF THE
09/03/09 13:46:22 GENERAL FUND BUDGET WHICH IS
09/03/09 13:46:23 WHAT FINANCE AND BUDGET
09/03/09 13:46:25 DEPARTMENT BELIEVE IS THE
09/03/09 13:46:28 MINIMUM REQUIRED TO MAINTAIN
09/03/09 13:46:29 THE BOND RATINGS.
09/03/09 13:46:31 FUND BALANCES WILL NOT BE MADE
09/03/09 13:46:33 AVAILABLE IN 2011 TO BALANCE
09/03/09 13:46:33 THE BUDGET.
09/03/09 13:46:35 THAT IS A BIG NUMBER.
09/03/09 13:46:37 IT IS THE COMMITTEE'S VIEW
09/03/09 13:46:39 THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT
09/03/09 13:46:40 POSSIBILITY PROPERTY AND SALES
09/03/09 13:46:43 TAXES WILL EITHER FALL AGAIN OR
09/03/09 13:46:43 AT BEST REMAIN NEUTRAL.
09/03/09 13:46:46 WE COULD SEE AN ADDITIONAL
09/03/09 13:46:49 REVENUE GAP THROUGH PROPERTY
09/03/09 13:46:52 AND SALES TAX DROP.
09/03/09 13:46:54 THE COMMITTEE BELIEVES IT IS
09/03/09 13:46:57 DISTINCTLY POSSIBLE PENSION
09/03/09 13:46:59 FUND COSTS FOR OUR EMPLOYEES
09/03/09 13:47:01 AND GENERAL EMPLOY COULD
09/03/09 13:47:02 INCREASE AGAIN IN FISCAL 2011.
09/03/09 13:47:05 WE WILL TALK MORE ABOUT THAT IN
09/03/09 13:47:05 A FEW MINUTES.
09/03/09 13:47:08 >> WE ARE CONCERNED THE PARKING
09/03/09 13:47:10 DIVISION DEFICIT IS INCREASING
09/03/09 13:47:13 AS WELL, TO THE TUNE
09/03/09 13:47:13 OF SEVERAL
09/03/09 13:47:16 MILLION DOLLARS AND ALSO THAT
09/03/09 13:47:18 THE PER EMPLOYEE SALARY AND
09/03/09 13:47:20 BENEFIT COSTS ARE ERUPTING.
09/03/09 13:47:23 THERE ARE A NUMBER OF FACTORS
09/03/09 13:47:25 THAT COULD NEGATIVELY IMPACT
09/03/09 13:47:25 THE CITY.
09/03/09 13:47:28 LACK OF FUND BALANCES,
09/03/09 13:47:28 RISING
09/03/09 13:47:30 COST AND LOWERING REVENUE WHICH
09/03/09 13:47:33 COULD CREATE A MUCH MORE
09/03/09 13:47:35 DIFFICULT SITUATION TO BALANCE
09/03/09 13:47:37 THE BUDGET NEXT YEAR WHICH MAY
09/03/09 13:47:39 MEAN CUTTING A FEW PEOPLE FROM
09/03/09 13:47:42 THE DEPARTMENT HERE AND THERE
09/03/09 13:47:44 AND DETERRING CAPITAL MAY CUT
09/03/09 13:47:46 IT NOT NEAR ENOUGH TO BALANCE
09/03/09 13:47:46 THE BUDGET.
09/03/09 13:47:49 I AM MORE ON THE FUND
09/03/09 13:47:51 BALANCE
09/03/09 13:47:53 AS WE MENTIONED, 20% IS WHAT
09/03/09 13:47:55 THE FINANCE AND REVENUE
09/03/09 13:47:56 DEPARTMENT BELIEVES IS THE
09/03/09 13:47:56 MINIMUM.
09/03/09 13:47:59 IT WILL COME IN JUST
09/03/09 13:48:00 UNDER THAT
09/03/09 13:48:03 IS THE PROJECTION IN
09/03/09 13:48:03 2010.
09/03/09 13:48:06 THAT MONEY
09/03/09 13:48:07 UNAVAILABLE NEXT
09/03/09 13:48:07 YEAR.
09/03/09 13:48:10 >>> REVENUES DROPPED
09/03/09 13:48:11 FROM 159
09/03/09 13:48:14 TO $138 MILLION FROM BUDGET
09/03/09 13:48:15 09
09/03/09 13:48:15 TO 10.
09/03/09 13:48:17 SALES TAX DROPPED IN THE SAME
09/03/09 13:48:18 YEAR SPAN.
09/03/09 13:48:19 COMMON SENSE TELLS US IT IS
09/03/09 13:48:22 LIKELY THAT THOSE NUMBERS
09/03/09 13:48:25 WILLER ROAD
09/03/09 13:48:28 A
09/03/09 13:48:31 LITTLE FURTHER.
09/03/09 13:48:33 ON THE COST FRONT.
09/03/09 13:48:35 PENSION FUND COSTS FROM GENERAL
09/03/09 13:48:38 EMPLOYEE FUND ROSE FROM
09/03/09 13:48:40 13 TO
09/03/09 13:48:43 22.5 MILLION FIRE EMPLOYEES 6
09/03/09 13:48:45 .1 TO 10 .1.
09/03/09 13:48:48 BASED ON THE
09/03/09 13:48:49 PENSIONS FUND
09/03/09 13:48:51 PRACTICES OF SPREADING SHORT
09/03/09 13:48:53 FALLS AND CONTRIBUTIONS OVER 5
09/03/09 13:48:56 YEARS, WE WOULD EXPECT THAT IN
09/03/09 13:48:57 FISCAL 2011 THERE WILL BE
09/03/09 13:48:59 NEGATIVE IMPACTS BASED ON THE
09/03/09 13:49:01 EFFECTS OF THE RECESSION AND
09/03/09 13:49:04 BARE MARKETS THAT CAME TO
09/03/09 13:49:04 BEAR
09/03/09 13:49:05 IN FISCAL 2010.
09/03/09 13:49:08 THOSE WILL BE CARRIED
09/03/09 13:49:10 OVER IN
09/03/09 13:49:12 2011, 2012, 2013 THEY WILL BE
09/03/09 13:49:13 CARRIED OVER FOR FIVE YEARS.
09/03/09 13:49:16 THAT COULD BE OFFSET
09/03/09 13:49:19 BY
09/03/09 13:49:21 A
09/03/09 13:49:21 RISING STOCK MARKET.
09/03/09 13:49:24 IF THAT RECOUPES THAT WILL HELP
09/03/09 13:49:26 LOWER THE IMPACT OF RISING
09/03/09 13:49:27 PENSION COSTS BUT WE CAN'T
09/03/09 13:49:30 PREDICT WHAT THE MARKETS WILL
09/03/09 13:49:30 DO.
09/03/09 13:49:31 THEY HAVEN'T BOUNCED BACK TO
09/03/09 13:49:34 WHERE THEY WERE BEGINNING OF
09/03/09 13:49:34 THE SESSION.
09/03/09 13:49:37 BOTH PENSION FUNDS HAVE
09/03/09 13:49:38 HAD
09/03/09 13:49:38 SIGNIFICANT LOSSES.
09/03/09 13:49:39 OUR CONCERN IS THAT THOSE
09/03/09 13:49:42 PENSION FUND COSTS
09/03/09 13:49:45 WILL
09/03/09 13:49:47 CONTINUE TO RISE.
09/03/09 13:49:50 >>> PARKING
09/03/09 13:49:50 DIVISION DEFICIT,
09/03/09 13:49:53 THE ADMINISTRATION OF
09/03/09 13:49:55 THE CITY
09/03/09 13:49:57 HAS SHARED WITH US INFORMATION
09/03/09 13:50:00 THERE IS INCREASED BOND
09/03/09 13:50:02 REPAYMENT OBLIGATIONS KICKING
09/03/09 13:50:04 IN IN FISCAL 2011 THAT WILL
09/03/09 13:50:06 DRIVE THE PARKING DIVISION
09/03/09 13:50:09 DEFICIT UP SIGNIFICANTLY FROM
09/03/09 13:50:12 FISCAL
09/03/09 13:50:13 2010 TO 2011.
09/03/09 13:50:14 AN ONGOING PROBLEM.
09/03/09 13:50:17 LET'S TALK ABOUT SALARY
09/03/09 13:50:18 AND
09/03/09 13:50:20 BENEFITS FOR EMPLOYEES.
09/03/09 13:50:21 THIS CHART SOMEHOWS WHAT TOTAL
09/03/09 13:50:24 COST ON AVERAGE OF SALARY AND
09/03/09 13:50:25 BENEFITS FOR EACH CITY EMPLOYEE
09/03/09 13:50:28 HAVE BEEN OVER THE LAST FIVE
09/03/09 13:50:28 YEARS.
09/03/09 13:50:31 FROM 48,000 CHANGE TO OVER
09/03/09 13:50:34 $60,000 IN THAT FIVE
09/03/09 13:50:34 YEAR SPAN.
09/03/09 13:50:37 UP 25% IN A 5 YEAR PERIOD.
09/03/09 13:50:39 NOW THE NUMBER OF CITY
09/03/09 13:50:40 EMPLOYEES HAS GONE DOWN.
09/03/09 13:50:42 ADMINISTRATION HAS CUT
09/03/09 13:50:45 PHYSICIANS, CUT OPEN
09/03/09 13:50:46 POSITION,
09/03/09 13:50:47 CUT ACTUAL OCCUPIED POSITION.
09/03/09 13:50:49 THEY HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THAT
09/03/09 13:50:52 BUT THE COST PER
09/03/09 13:50:55 EMPLOYEE
09/03/09 13:50:55 IS
09/03/09 13:50:55 RAPIDLY EXPANDING.
09/03/09 13:50:57 THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED.
09/03/09 13:51:00 WE WILL TALK
09/03/09 13:51:01 ABOUT POSSIBILITY
09/03/09 13:51:04 FOR ADDRESSING THAT IN A
09/03/09 13:51:06 MOMENT.
09/03/09 13:51:08 UNDER EMPLOYEE COST, NO COST OF
09/03/09 13:51:09 LIVING INCREASE FOR 2010.
09/03/09 13:51:11 WE THINK THAT IS A GOOD FIRST
09/03/09 13:51:13 STEP BUT WE WOULD GO FURTHER.
09/03/09 13:51:15 IN OUR BELIEF, MANY PEOPLE IN
09/03/09 13:51:18 THE PRIVATE SECTOR
09/03/09 13:51:18 HAVE TAKEN
09/03/09 13:51:21 COMPENSATION REDUCTIONS,
09/03/09 13:51:23 BENEFIT REDUCTIONS, HOURS
09/03/09 13:51:25 REDUCTIONS, FURLOUGHS OR HAVE
09/03/09 13:51:26 LOST THEIR JOB.
09/03/09 13:51:29 THAT HASN'T HAPPENED IN
09/03/09 13:51:30 CITY
09/03/09 13:51:30 GOVERNMENT YET.
09/03/09 13:51:32 OUR RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE
09/03/09 13:51:34 CITY AND THIS COUNCIL LOOK INTO
09/03/09 13:51:37 AND CONSIDER DOING SALARY
09/03/09 13:51:39 SURVEY AND OR CONSIDER TRUEING
09/03/09 13:51:42 UP THE COST OR THE WAGES OF
09/03/09 13:51:44 SILTY EMPLOYMENT, CITY
09/03/09 13:51:46 EMPLOYEES TO IS YOUR HONOUR
09/03/09 13:51:46 MARKET CONDITIONS.
09/03/09 13:51:49 I THINK MANY
09/03/09 13:51:49 PEOPLE'S OPINION
09/03/09 13:51:52 THE MARKET GOING WAKE FOR THIS
09/03/09 13:51:55 JOBS HAS DE --
09/03/09 13:51:58 WAGE
09/03/09 13:52:00 FOR THESE
09/03/09 13:52:01 JOBS HAS DECREASED.
09/03/09 13:52:03 WE HAVE NOT TRUED THEM UP SO WE
09/03/09 13:52:06 MAY BE OVER PAYING IN
09/03/09 13:52:07 CERTAIN
09/03/09 13:52:08 POSITION IN CERTAIN PLACES.
09/03/09 13:52:11 THAT EVER RISING COST FOR
09/03/09 13:52:13 EMPLOYEE CAN'T BE SUSTAINED
09/03/09 13:52:16 OVER THE LONG HALL.
09/03/09 13:52:19 >>> 11 IS GOING --2011 IS
09/03/09 13:52:19 GOING TO BE A DIFFICULT YEAR.
09/03/09 13:52:22 WE COULD FACE A
09/03/09 13:52:25 BUDGET DEFICIT
09/03/09 13:52:28 OF 10s OF MILLIONS OF
09/03/09 13:52:29 DOLLARS.
09/03/09 13:52:30 IN OUR OPINION IT IS GOING TO
09/03/09 13:52:33 BE A YEAR OF
09/03/09 13:52:36 DIFFICULT
09/03/09 13:52:39 CHOICES.
09/03/09 13:52:41 SERVICE CUTS, EMPLOYEE CUTS.
09/03/09 13:52:43 WE DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY ALL
09/03/09 13:52:43 COME FROM.
09/03/09 13:52:46 WE DON'T THINK BUSINESS AS
09/03/09 13:52:47 USUAL TRIMMING HERE AND THERE
09/03/09 13:52:48 WILL CLOSE THE GAP.
09/03/09 13:52:51 WE HAVE A YEAR TO THINK ABOUT
09/03/09 13:52:52 THIS AND ACT ON THIS.
09/03/09 13:52:55 IT IS BETTER WE WORK
09/03/09 13:52:55 ON THIS
09/03/09 13:52:57 COLLECTIVELY TOGETHER OVER THE
09/03/09 13:53:00 NEXT YEAR AND HAVE A REASONABLE
09/03/09 13:53:02 APPROACH TO CLOSING AN EXPECTED
09/03/09 13:53:04 BUDGET GAP NEXT YEAR THAN
09/03/09 13:53:06 WAITING UNTIL NEXT SUMMER AND
09/03/09 13:53:09 TRYING TO DO SOMETHING
09/03/09 13:53:09 RAPIDLY
09/03/09 13:53:10 WITH INSUFFICIENT ANALYSIS.
09/03/09 13:53:12 >> WE WILL TALK ABOUT
09/03/09 13:53:15 CONTROVERSIAL PATHS AND OUT
09/03/09 13:53:15 OF
09/03/09 13:53:16 THE BOX PATHS.
09/03/09 13:53:20 SOME OF THESE ARE SAKED
09/03/09 13:53:20 COWS,
09/03/09 13:53:23 SOME OF THESE
09/03/09 13:53:24 --SACRED COWS,
09/03/09 13:53:26 SOME OF THESE PEOPLE HAVE
09/03/09 13:53:29 BOUGHT UP AND BELIEVE THEY ARE
09/03/09 13:53:29 VITAL.
09/03/09 13:53:32 WAYS TO TRIP THE
09/03/09 13:53:33 BUDGET.
09/03/09 13:53:34 RIVER WALK AWAY.
09/03/09 13:53:35 PUTTING THE RIVER WALK
09/03/09 13:53:37 EXPENDITURES ON HOLD UNTIL
09/03/09 13:53:39 PRIVATE FUNDING CAN BE OBTAINED
09/03/09 13:53:40 FOR IT.
09/03/09 13:53:41 AVENUE OF THE ATS DELAY OR
09/03/09 13:53:44 SHIPPING THE COST OF IT
09/03/09 13:53:48 TO TIFF
09/03/09 13:53:49 FUNDING.
09/03/09 13:53:52 AMERICAN YOURRY FLEET REPORT
09/03/09 13:53:55 --MERCURY FLEET REMEDICAL
09/03/09 13:53:55 REPORT.
09/03/09 13:53:57 WE WOULD RECOMMEND IT RESULTS
09/03/09 13:54:00 TO INCLUDE THE POLICE
09/03/09 13:54:00 DEPARTMENT.
09/03/09 13:54:02 POLICE PATROL VEHICLES WERE
09/03/09 13:54:02 EXCLUDED.
09/03/09 13:54:04 WE BELIEVE THAT WOULD BE A
09/03/09 13:54:05 USEFUL THING TOASTED DIIN TERMS
09/03/09 13:54:08 OF COST REDUCTION OF
09/03/09 13:54:10 THE FLEET.
09/03/09 13:54:12 REDUCTION OF SUBSIDIES TO
09/03/09 13:54:14 NONDEPARTMENTAL ENTITIES SUCH
09/03/09 13:54:14 AS NONPROFITS.
09/03/09 13:54:17 THAT HAPPENED THIS YEAR THE
09/03/09 13:54:18 TOTAL AGGREGATE NUMBER ONE
09/03/09 13:54:21 SOMEWHERE IN THE
09/03/09 13:54:24 TOTAL
09/03/09 13:54:28 OF 1-25%
09/03/09 13:54:28 DOWN.
09/03/09 13:54:31 TRUE UP SALARIES
09/03/09 13:54:32 TO MARKET
09/03/09 13:54:32 RATES.
09/03/09 13:54:33 ANOTHER IDEA THIS COMMITTEE
09/03/09 13:54:36 THOUGHT WOULD BE VIABLE
09/03/09 13:54:39 IS
09/03/09 13:54:41 ALLOW CITY EMPLOYEES OR
09/03/09 13:54:43 MANAGEMENT TO ISSUE FURLOUGHS
09/03/09 13:54:44 AND PART-TIME EMPLOYMENT TO
09/03/09 13:54:46 REDUCE THE COST OF EMPLOYEES IN
09/03/09 13:54:49 THE SHORT TERM BUT RETAIN THEM
09/03/09 13:54:51 FOR THE DAY WE HOPE WHEN THIS
09/03/09 13:54:52 RECESSION WILL END AND BUSINESS
09/03/09 13:54:55 BEGINS TO PICK BACK UP.
09/03/09 13:54:58 WE WILL HAVE THOSE
09/03/09 13:55:00 SAME
09/03/09 13:55:01 EMPLOYEES ON HAND, STAFF,
09/03/09 13:55:02 TRAINED VERSUS LAYING OFF
09/03/09 13:55:05 PEOPLE AND WHEN THE RECOVERY
09/03/09 13:55:07 --THE ECONOMY RECOVERS, HAVING
09/03/09 13:55:09 TO HIRE BACK AND RETRAIN ET
09/03/09 13:55:09 CETERA.
09/03/09 13:55:12 >>> OUT OF THE
09/03/09 13:55:14 BOX IDEAS, GOING
09/03/09 13:55:14 FORWARD.
09/03/09 13:55:17 SOME OF THE IDEAS
09/03/09 13:55:18 THIS
09/03/09 13:55:21 COMMITTEE CONSIDERS VIABLE, ARE
09/03/09 13:55:22 GOING TO CAFETERIA STYLE
09/03/09 13:55:25 BENEFIT PACKAGES WHERE AN
09/03/09 13:55:27 EMPLOYEE CAN PICK AND CHOOSE
09/03/09 13:55:29 VARIOUS AND MORE VARIED OPTIONS
09/03/09 13:55:31 FOR VARIOUS BENEFITS THEY
09/03/09 13:55:31 RECEIVE.
09/03/09 13:55:34 HEALTH CARE, PENSION ET CETERA.
09/03/09 13:55:35 MOVING TOWARDS WHAT HAS BECOME
09/03/09 13:55:38 MORE A PRIVATE
09/03/09 13:55:40 PRACTICE IN
09/03/09 13:55:41 PRIVATE INDUSTRY, CAFETERIA
09/03/09 13:55:42 STYLE.
09/03/09 13:55:44 SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE
09/03/09 13:55:46 ABOUT THE PARKING GARAGE
09/03/09 13:55:46 SITUATION.
09/03/09 13:55:48 THE DEFICIT GOING UP 4 MILLION
09/03/09 13:55:50 DOLLARS IN A SINGLE YEAR,
09/03/09 13:55:53 KNITTING IS PROBABLY
09/03/09 13:55:56 A
09/03/09 13:55:58 GOOD
09/03/09 13:55:58 OPTION HERE.
09/03/09 13:55:59 WE DON'T HAVE ANSWERS BUT
09/03/09 13:56:01 SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE
09/03/09 13:56:04 WHETHER IT IS
09/03/09 13:56:07 TRY TO
09/03/09 13:56:08 OPPORTUNISTICALLY REARRANGE
09/03/09 13:56:09 SPECIAL ARRANGEMENTS, CONTRACTS
09/03/09 13:56:12 STRUCK WITH VARIOUS SPORTS
09/03/09 13:56:15 TEAMS AND VENUE
09/03/09 13:56:17 OPERATORS,
09/03/09 13:56:17 INCLUDING RATES.
09/03/09 13:56:20 GARAGES TO PRIVATE
09/03/09 13:56:21 OWNERSHIP OR
09/03/09 13:56:22 CRA ENTITIES.
09/03/09 13:56:25 THAT SITUATION NEEDS TO BE
09/03/09 13:56:25 STUDIED.
09/03/09 13:56:28 >> CONSIDER
09/03/09 13:56:31 FUNDING FUTURE
09/03/09 13:56:31 CRA
09/03/09 13:56:33 TO NON-TIFF INSTEAD OF LOANS OR
09/03/09 13:56:36 OUT RIGHT GIFTS AND TRANSFERS
09/03/09 13:56:39 IN BUDGET IS ANOTHER
09/03/09 13:56:42 POTENTIAL
09/03/09 13:56:44 COST SAVING SOURCE.
09/03/09 13:56:47 FUND BALANCE IN EXCESS OF 25%.
09/03/09 13:56:50 I THINK THE
09/03/09 13:56:53 PURPOSE OF THAT
09/03/09 13:56:53 IS,
09/03/09 13:56:56 IF FUND BALANCES IMPROVE
09/03/09 13:56:57 FISCAL
09/03/09 13:57:00 2010 : THERE IS
09/03/09 13:57:01 EXCESS MONEY
09/03/09 13:57:04 NOT PREDICTED TO BE
09/03/09 13:57:07 ON
09/03/09 13:57:08 TODAY.
09/03/09 13:57:11 THAT
09/03/09 13:57:14 SHOULD BE RESERVE
09/03/09 13:57:16 AND ON
09/03/09 13:57:16 ADDITIONAL PROJECTS.
09/03/09 13:57:18 SHOULD IT ACCRUE IT SHOULD BE
09/03/09 13:57:19 SHARED IN SOME WAY, SHAPE OR
09/03/09 13:57:22 FORM WITH THE CITIZENS IN TERMS
09/03/09 13:57:25 OF PROPERTY TAX RELIEF.
09/03/09 13:57:27 WITH THAT I TURN IT OVER TO THE
09/03/09 13:57:30 COUNCIL FOR QUESTIONS,
09/03/09 13:57:30 COMMENTS, ET CETERA.
09/03/09 13:57:30 THANK YOU.
09/03/09 13:57:32 >> THANK YOU MARK.
09/03/09 13:57:34 THANK ALL OF YOU FOR THE
09/03/09 13:57:36 INCREDIBLE AMOUNT OF WORK YOU
09/03/09 13:57:39 HAVE DONE AND I AM GOING
09/03/09 13:57:39 TO
09/03/09 13:57:41 APOLOGIZE FOR THE DIFFICULTY
09/03/09 13:57:44 YOU'VE HAD IN GETTING ANY KIND
09/03/09 13:57:44 OF DETAILED INFORMATION.
09/03/09 13:57:46 I DO WANT TO SAY SOMETHING
09/03/09 13:57:48 BEFORE WE GO FURTHER AND THEN
09/03/09 13:57:51 WE WILL OPEN IT UP
09/03/09 13:57:54 TO
09/03/09 13:57:54 QUESTIONS.
09/03/09 13:57:54 FROM COUNCIL.
09/03/09 13:57:57 COUNCIL AND OUR
09/03/09 13:57:58 CITIZENS
09/03/09 13:57:59 ADVISORY BUDGET COMMITTEE, AS
09/03/09 13:58:02 MARK SAID, JUST
09/03/09 13:58:02 RECEIVED
09/03/09 13:58:04 YESTERDAY THE BUDGET SUPPLEMENT
09/03/09 13:58:05 WHICH MY FIRST YEAR ON COUNCIL,
09/03/09 13:58:06 THAT WAS THE BUDGET.
09/03/09 13:58:09 I SAT DOWN AND LOOKED AT IT
09/03/09 13:58:10 LINE BY LINE BY LINE.
09/03/09 13:58:12 THAT IS ONE OF THE REASONS THAT
09/03/09 13:58:15 I PUSHED FOR HAVING A BUDGET
09/03/09 13:58:16 ADVISORY COMMITTEE BECAUSE IT
09/03/09 13:58:19 IS SO DETAILED IT IS IMPOSSIBLE
09/03/09 13:58:20 FOR EACH OF US COUNCILMEMBERS
09/03/09 13:58:22 TO BE ABLE TO LOOK AT EVERY
09/03/09 13:58:22 LINE.
09/03/09 13:58:25 THAT IS THE
09/03/09 13:58:26 BUDGET.
09/03/09 13:58:29 WE DIDN'T RECEIVE
09/03/09 13:58:29 IT.
09/03/09 13:58:32 FROM WHAT I HAVE
09/03/09 13:58:34 HEARD AND I
09/03/09 13:58:36 CAN ASK MR. MIRANDA TO CONFIRM
09/03/09 13:58:37 THIS, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WE
09/03/09 13:58:39 WERE NOT GIVEN A BUDGET
09/03/09 13:58:40 SUPPLEMENT ALONG WITH THE
09/03/09 13:58:40 BUDGET.
09/03/09 13:58:42 DID YOU NOT GET ONE?
09/03/09 13:58:44 >> I ALWAYS HAD ONE.
09/03/09 13:58:46 >> SO WE RECEIVED IT YESTERDAY
09/03/09 13:58:47 SO OBVIOUSLY OUR COMMITTEE
09/03/09 13:58:50 HADN'T HAD ANY CHANCE TO EVEN
09/03/09 13:58:50 LOOK AT IT.
09/03/09 13:58:52 NO ONE ON COUNCIL HAS HAD TIME
09/03/09 13:58:53 TO LOOK AT IT.
09/03/09 13:58:56 SO HERE WE ARE
09/03/09 13:58:57 HAVING A
09/03/09 13:58:59 WORKSHOP, WITHOUT THE BENEFIT
09/03/09 13:59:01 OF PREPARING FOR IT.
09/03/09 13:59:04 I HAVE TO SAY THAT THE
09/03/09 13:59:05 MEMO
09/03/09 13:59:08 FROM BONNIE WISE
09/03/09 13:59:10 THE FINANCE
09/03/09 13:59:10 DIRECTOR, IS TROUBLING.
09/03/09 13:59:13 IT IS MY OPINION AS I SAID THE
09/03/09 13:59:14 BUDGET SUPPLEMENT IS THE BUDGET
09/03/09 13:59:17 AND SHE SAID IT WAS PRESENTED
09/03/09 13:59:20 TO US SIMPLY FOR INFORMATIONAL
09/03/09 13:59:20 PURPOSES.
09/03/09 13:59:22 WELL, I DON'T THINK THIS
09/03/09 13:59:24 COUNCIL WAS ELECTED AND WE ARE
09/03/09 13:59:25 NOT PAID TO COLLECT
09/03/09 13:59:25 INFORMATION.
09/03/09 13:59:28 WE ARE PAID TO LOOK AT THE
09/03/09 13:59:31 BUDGET, ANALYZE IT, AND TO BE
09/03/09 13:59:34 WATCHDOGS TO BE A CHECK
09/03/09 13:59:36 ON THE
09/03/09 13:59:37 EXECUTIVE BRANCH.
09/03/09 13:59:39 SO I REJECT THE SUGGESTION AND
09/03/09 13:59:41 I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN
09/03/09 13:59:44 WE DO ADOPT THE BUDGET,
09/03/09 13:59:44 THIS
09/03/09 13:59:46 BUDGET SUPPLEMENT BECOMES THE
09/03/09 13:59:49 BUDGET AT LEAST IT IS THE
09/03/09 13:59:50 INTEGRAL AND MOST IMPORTANT
09/03/09 13:59:52 PART OF THE BUDGET SO THAT MEMO
09/03/09 13:59:55 SHOULD NOT BE A PART OF WHEN WE
09/03/09 13:59:57 ADOPT THE BUDGET.
09/03/09 14:00:00 AS FINANCE CHAIR I HAVE
09/03/09 14:00:00 BEEN
09/03/09 14:00:02 DISCUSSING THE BUDGET WITH MISS
09/03/09 14:00:04 WISE FOR AT LEAST 6 MONTHS.
09/03/09 14:00:06 I DID HEAR FROM HER ON SEVERAL
09/03/09 14:00:07 OCCASIONS WE WERE NOT GOING TO
09/03/09 14:00:10 BE RECEIVING THE BUDGET
09/03/09 14:00:10 DOCUMENT
09/03/09 14:00:13 --SUPPLEMENT AS
09/03/09 14:00:14 HARD COPY.
09/03/09 14:00:16 MY UNDERSTANDING AND I THOUGHT
09/03/09 14:00:19 I HAD EXPRESSED THIS, GIVING
09/03/09 14:00:21 HER OR ANYONE THE OPPORTUNITY
09/03/09 14:00:24 TO DISABUSE ME OF THIS IDEA, IT
09/03/09 14:00:26 WOULD BE AVAILABLE ONLINE AND
09/03/09 14:00:29 THIS WAS A GREEN
09/03/09 14:00:31 OPTION NOT A
09/03/09 14:00:33 LACK OFISM FORMATION OPTION.
09/03/09 14:00:35 SO I WANT TO --LACK OF
09/03/09 14:00:36 INFORMATION OPTION.
09/03/09 14:00:38 SO I WANT TO THANK CHAIRMAN
09/03/09 14:00:39 SCOTT FOR BRINGING IT TO OUR
09/03/09 14:00:41 ATTENTION AND FOR INSISTING
09/03/09 14:00:44 THAT WE GET THIS DOCUMENT WHICH
09/03/09 14:00:47 HE DID FOR
09/03/09 14:00:50 US
09/03/09 14:00:53 LAST WEEK.
09/03/09 14:00:55 I THINK IT IS AN INDICATION OF
09/03/09 14:00:58 DISRESPECT FOR US AS COUNCIL TO
09/03/09 14:00:59 NOT BE AFFORDED INFORMATION.
09/03/09 14:01:01 THAT IS THE MAIN PART OF OUR
09/03/09 14:01:03 JOB TO APPROVE THE BUDGET.
09/03/09 14:01:05 YOU KNOW, WE SPENT FOR INSTANCE
09/03/09 14:01:07 TODAY, APPROPRIATION AFTER
09/03/09 14:01:07 APPROPRIATION.
09/03/09 14:01:09 THE CHARTER DOESN'T SAY WE
09/03/09 14:01:10 APPROVE THE BUDGET.
09/03/09 14:01:12 THE CHARTER SAYS WE
09/03/09 14:01:12 APPROPRIATE.
09/03/09 14:01:15 WE ARE THE ONES
09/03/09 14:01:18 THAT
09/03/09 14:01:19 MAKE THAT
09/03/09 14:01:19 APROP CAUCASIAN.
09/03/09 14:01:22 BECAUSE WE HAVE A SONG --
09/03/09 14:01:22 APPROPRIATION.
09/03/09 14:01:25 BECAUSE WE HAVE A STRONG MAYOR
09/03/09 14:01:27 SYSTEM AND WE HAVE TO RUN
09/03/09 14:01:30 THINGS, WE ARE PRESENTED
09/03/09 14:01:31 WITH
09/03/09 14:01:31 INDIVIDUAL APPROPRIATION.
09/03/09 14:01:34 MY FEAR IF WE DON'T
09/03/09 14:01:36 INSIST ON
09/03/09 14:01:38 THIS BUDGET SUPPLEMENT BEING
09/03/09 14:01:41 THE BUDGET, THERE
09/03/09 14:01:42 WILL BE
09/03/09 14:01:44 OPPORTUNITY FOR APPROPRIATIONS
09/03/09 14:01:45 TO BE APPROVED AT COUNCIL.
09/03/09 14:01:47 I DON'T WANT TO SEE THAT HAPPEN
09/03/09 14:01:49 AND I HOPE COUNCIL WILL BACK ME
09/03/09 14:01:49 UP ON THAT.
09/03/09 14:01:52 I ALSO THINK IT IS
09/03/09 14:01:54 DISRESPECTFUL TO THE PUBLIC AND
09/03/09 14:01:55 THESE VOLUNTEERS WHO HAVE BEEN
09/03/09 14:01:58 WORKING VERY VERY HARD AND WHO
09/03/09 14:02:01 HAVE ACTUALLY HAD A GOOD
09/03/09 14:02:03 EXPERIENCE WITH THE BUDGET
09/03/09 14:02:05 DEPARTMENT WITH BONNIE, DENNIS,
09/03/09 14:02:07 WITH THE DEPARTMENT HEADS, AND
09/03/09 14:02:09 TO FIND OUT AT THE LAST MINUTE
09/03/09 14:02:10 THAT WE WEREN'T GOING TO GET
09/03/09 14:02:13 THIS INFORMATION I
09/03/09 14:02:14 THINK REALLY
09/03/09 14:02:14 SURPRISED EVERYONE.
09/03/09 14:02:17 AND I JUST HAVE TO SAY IT
09/03/09 14:02:19 DOESN'T SERVE ANY PUBLIC
09/03/09 14:02:22 PURPOSE FOR US NOT TO
09/03/09 14:02:23 HAVE
09/03/09 14:02:26 TRANSPARENCY AND NOT TO HAVE
09/03/09 14:02:27 ALL THE INFORMATION WE CAN.
09/03/09 14:02:29 I LOOKED AT THE CHART TORE DAY.
09/03/09 14:02:32 MY READING OF IT IS WHEN THE
09/03/09 14:02:33 BUDGET IS PRESENTED, THE MORE
09/03/09 14:02:34 INFORMATION THE BETTER.
09/03/09 14:02:37 IT GOES IN AND LISTS WE NEED TO
09/03/09 14:02:40 HAVE THIS, THAT, ALL
09/03/09 14:02:40 THE
09/03/09 14:02:41 DIFFERENT CATEGORIES.
09/03/09 14:02:44 THE IMPLICATION IS THAT WE ARE
09/03/09 14:02:45 PASSING A DETAILED DOCUMENT
09/03/09 14:02:46 THAT IS GOING TO COVER THE
09/03/09 14:02:49 EXPENDITURE THAT IS
09/03/09 14:02:50 ARE COMING
09/03/09 14:02:51 UP.
09/03/09 14:02:52 I THINK SUGGEST BY EDITING IT
09/03/09 14:02:55 DOWN AND MAKING IT SMALLER,
09/03/09 14:02:58 THAT IS APPROPRIATE IS JUST NOT
09/03/09 14:02:58 ACCEPTABLE.
09/03/09 14:03:01 I JUST --WE RECEIVED THE
09/03/09 14:03:02 DOCUMENT YESTERDAY BUT I JUST
09/03/09 14:03:04 WANTED TO MAKE IT CLEAR, I
09/03/09 14:03:05 WON'T SUPPORT PASSING ANY
09/03/09 14:03:07 BUDGET IF THAT IS NOT THE MAIN
09/03/09 14:03:08 PART OF IT.
09/03/09 14:03:09 I THINK I SAID THAT.
09/03/09 14:03:12 AND I WOULD LIKE TO TURN
09/03/09 14:03:13 IT
09/03/09 14:03:14 OVER TO CHAIRMAN SCOTT TO GIVE
09/03/09 14:03:16 US US
09/03/09 14:03:16 --
09/03/09 14:03:16 >> THANK YOU.
09/03/09 14:03:19 I WAS WAITING FOR A FULL
09/03/09 14:03:19 COUNCIL TO COME.
09/03/09 14:03:21 I WANTED TO ADDRESS THAT ISSUE
09/03/09 14:03:23 RIGHT OFF BEFORE MOVING
09/03/09 14:03:23 FORWARD.
09/03/09 14:03:25 FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO SAY
09/03/09 14:03:28 THAT I THINK WE HAVE ONE OF THE
09/03/09 14:03:29 BEST PERSON'S AROUND IN
09/03/09 14:03:31 ADDRESSING THE BUDGET S THAT IS
09/03/09 14:03:31 BONNIE WISE.
09/03/09 14:03:33 I HAVE A GREAT DEAL OF RESPECT
09/03/09 14:03:36 FOR MISS WISE AND THOSE
09/03/09 14:03:38 --SHE
09/03/09 14:03:39 AND ERIC JOHNSON ARE EXCELLENT
09/03/09 14:03:40 IN THE STATE WHEN IT COMES TO
09/03/09 14:03:43 WORKING WITH THE
09/03/09 14:03:44 BUDGET.
09/03/09 14:03:45 HOWEVER, IN MY --AGAIN, TO
09/03/09 14:03:48 WORK ON THE BUDGET AND LOOK AT
09/03/09 14:03:50 IT I NOTICE WE DIDN'T GET THE
09/03/09 14:03:53 SUPPLEMENT WE GOT LAST
09/03/09 14:03:54 YEAR AND
09/03/09 14:03:54 TWO PREVIOUS YEARS.
09/03/09 14:03:57 I MADE A PHONE CALL REQUESTING
09/03/09 14:03:57 IT.
09/03/09 14:03:59 WE HAD SOME DIALOGUE I ASKED
09/03/09 14:04:01 WHAT THE CHARTER SAID.
09/03/09 14:04:03 AND HER GETTING A LEGAL OPINION
09/03/09 14:04:04 FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY.
09/03/09 14:04:07 I WENT AND PULLED UP THE
09/03/09 14:04:09 CHARTER AND READ THE CHARTER
09/03/09 14:04:12 AND
09/03/09 14:04:14 IN THE CHARTER SECTION
09/03/09 14:04:17 7.02, FURTHER IN THE
09/03/09 14:04:20 MIDDLE OF
09/03/09 14:04:22 IT STATES THAT THREE DAYS PRIOR
09/03/09 14:04:25 TO THE FINAL ADOPTION OF SAID
09/03/09 14:04:26 BUDGET THE COUNCIL IS
09/03/09 14:04:28 AUTHORIZED TO MAKE SUCH CHANGES
09/03/09 14:04:31 IN SAID BUDGET AS DEEMED
09/03/09 14:04:34 NECESSARY FOR THE PROFFER,
09/03/09 14:04:36 ECONOMICAL OPERATION OF THE
09/03/09 14:04:37 MUNICIPAL GOVERNMENT, BUDGET AS
09/03/09 14:04:39 ADOPTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL
09/03/09 14:04:41 PRESENTED TO THE MAYOR FOR
09/03/09 14:04:42 APPROVAL AS PROVIDED FOR ALL
09/03/09 14:04:45 OTHER ORDINANTS OF THE CITY
09/03/09 14:04:45 COUNCIL.
09/03/09 14:04:47 IN EXERCISING THE POWER OF VETO
09/03/09 14:04:50 THE MAYOR HAS A AUTHORITY TO
09/03/09 14:04:52 DISPROVE THE BUDGET OR ANY
09/03/09 14:04:54 APPROPRIATION PASSED BY THE
09/03/09 14:04:56 CITY COUNCIL IN WHOLE OR BY
09/03/09 14:04:59 SECTION OR BY SPECIFIC
09/03/09 14:05:00 ITEMS
09/03/09 14:05:03 AND ANY ITEM SECTION PART OF
09/03/09 14:05:06 THE BUDGET OR ANY APPROPRIATION
09/03/09 14:05:09 VETOED BY THE MAYOR SHALL NOT
09/03/09 14:05:12 BECOME EFFECTIVE
09/03/09 14:05:15 UNLESS PASSED
09/03/09 14:05:18 OVER HIS VETO BY
09/03/09 14:05:19 2/3rd MAJORITY
09/03/09 14:05:19 VOTE.
09/03/09 14:05:22 ALL MEMBERS WILL GIVE LINE ITEM
09/03/09 14:05:22 VETO.
09/03/09 14:05:25 WELL, IF THAT IS ALSO THE CASE,
09/03/09 14:05:26 COUNCIL SHOULD FROM THE FULL
09/03/09 14:05:28 BUDGET SO THEY CAN LOOK AT ALL
09/03/09 14:05:29 THE LINE ITEMS.
09/03/09 14:05:31 DOING SOME BACKGROUND AND
09/03/09 14:05:33 MAKING CALL TO PRIOR MAYORS, IT
09/03/09 14:05:35 IS MY UNDERSTANDING THIS HAS
09/03/09 14:05:36 ALWAYS BEEN A PART OF THE
09/03/09 14:05:36 BUDGET.
09/03/09 14:05:37 SO I WAS A LITTLE CONCERNED
09/03/09 14:05:39 ABOUT THAT BECAUSE I WANT TO
09/03/09 14:05:42 LOOK AT THE BUDGET AND
09/03/09 14:05:42 LOOK AT
09/03/09 14:05:44 LINE ITEM, SEE SOME OF THE
09/03/09 14:05:47 ITEMS IN THERE SUCH AS
09/03/09 14:05:49 OVERTIME, $6 MILLION IN THE
09/03/09 14:05:49 DISCRETIONARY ACCOUNT I WANT TO
09/03/09 14:05:52 LOOK AT THOSE AND SEE WHERE
09/03/09 14:05:53 THE
09/03/09 14:05:53 MONEY WAS.
09/03/09 14:05:55 IN ORDER TO DO MY DUE DILIGENCE
09/03/09 14:05:56 I NEEDED THAT INFORMATION.
09/03/09 14:05:59 IT IS BELIEVED BY THE
09/03/09 14:05:59 ADMINISTRATION THAT THEY DON'T
09/03/09 14:06:02 HAVE TO PROVIDE THAT
09/03/09 14:06:02 INFORMATION.
09/03/09 14:06:04 IF THAT IS THE CASE THEN THE
09/03/09 14:06:05 CHARTER NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT
09/03/09 14:06:08 BECAUSE THAT IS HOW I
09/03/09 14:06:08 INTERPRET
09/03/09 14:06:09 THE CHARTER.
09/03/09 14:06:11 I WANT CITY COUNCIL TODAY AND
09/03/09 14:06:14 LEGAL CAN CORRECT ME IF
09/03/09 14:06:15 THEY
09/03/09 14:06:17 WANT TO TODAY S THAT IS I WANT
09/03/09 14:06:19 TO MAKE A MOTION, EITHER AT
09/03/09 14:06:22 THIS HEARING OR THE FIRST
09/03/09 14:06:25 PUBLIC HEARING, THAT WE ADOPT
09/03/09 14:06:27 --REMOVE THE MEMO BY MISS
09/03/09 14:06:30 WISE, CHANGE THE HEADING TO
09/03/09 14:06:33 BUDGET SUPPLEMENT AND NEXT TO
09/03/09 14:06:36 IT THE OTHER DOCUMENTS, MAKE
09/03/09 14:06:38 THAT A PART OF THE ORIGINAL
09/03/09 14:06:40 BUDGET AND THEN IF IF THERE IS
09/03/09 14:06:43 AN ISSUE WITH THAT, THEN CITY
09/03/09 14:06:45 COUNCIL CAN BRING BACK AN
09/03/09 14:06:46 ORDINANCE TO CORRECT IT SO WE
09/03/09 14:06:47 CAN MAKE SURE WHERE SHE THIS
09/03/09 14:06:48 GOING FORWARD IN THE FUTURE.
09/03/09 14:06:51 WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THE
09/03/09 14:06:52 ADMINISTRATION ALSO ACKNOWLEDGE
09/03/09 14:06:54 AT THIS POINT GOING FORWARD THE
09/03/09 14:06:56 BUDGET SUPPLEMENT WILL BE A
09/03/09 14:06:57 PART OF THE BUDGET.
09/03/09 14:07:00 WHICH HAS BEEN A PART
09/03/09 14:07:03 FOR
09/03/09 14:07:05 I
09/03/09 14:07:05 UNDERSTAND DECADES.
09/03/09 14:07:06 SO MR. FLETCHER YOU MAY WANT TO
09/03/09 14:07:07 SPEAK TO THAT.
09/03/09 14:07:09 IF THAT IS NOT IN ORDER TO DAY,
09/03/09 14:07:12 I WILL MAKE THAT AT FIRST
09/03/09 14:07:14 PUBLIC HEARING IN REGARDS TO
09/03/09 14:07:14 THIS PROCESS.
09/03/09 14:07:17 LET ME JUST SAY THIS TO
09/03/09 14:07:17 EVERYBODY.
09/03/09 14:07:19 I AM A PERSON BEING FAIR.
09/03/09 14:07:22 TO ME THIS IS NOT ABOUT
09/03/09 14:07:24 POLITICAL GAIN HERE.
09/03/09 14:07:27 MY ISSUE TODAY IS COUNCIL HAS
09/03/09 14:07:28 A
09/03/09 14:07:29 RESPONSIBILITY, UNDER THE
09/03/09 14:07:32 CHARTER, WE ARE
09/03/09 14:07:33 THE LEGISLATIVE
09/03/09 14:07:33 BRANCH.
09/03/09 14:07:36 I TAKE GREAT
09/03/09 14:07:38 PRIDE IN PROCESS,
09/03/09 14:07:41 1, 2, I TAKE GREAT PRIDE IN
09/03/09 14:07:44 MAKING SURE I DON'T OVER STEP
09/03/09 14:07:45 MY AUTHORITY UNDER THE CHARTER.
09/03/09 14:07:47 AT THE SAME TIME I NEED TO MAKE
09/03/09 14:07:50 SURE I AM GIVEN THE CORRECT
09/03/09 14:07:51 INFORMATION UNDER THE CHARTER
09/03/09 14:07:53 AND ADMINISTRATION DOESN'T OVER
09/03/09 14:07:55 STEP THE CHARTER AS WELL.
09/03/09 14:07:58 MY ISSUE IS MAKE SURE EVERYONE
09/03/09 14:08:01 UNDERSTANDS THEIR
09/03/09 14:08:06 LEGAL ROLE.
09/03/09 14:08:07 WE DON'T OVER STEP.
09/03/09 14:08:10 WE ARE ON THE SAME
09/03/09 14:08:11 TEAM BUT
09/03/09 14:08:13 CANNOT MAKE PRUDENT AND WISE
09/03/09 14:08:15 DECISIONS WITHOUT THE
09/03/09 14:08:15 INFORMATION.
09/03/09 14:08:17 SO YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO MY
09/03/09 14:08:17 MOTION?
09/03/09 14:08:20 >> JUST TO SPEAK TO
09/03/09 14:08:21 THE ISSUE,
09/03/09 14:08:24 GENERALLY, WE IN
09/03/09 14:08:27 THE LEGAL
09/03/09 14:08:29 DEPARTMENT WERE CONSULTED SOME
09/03/09 14:08:32 TIME AGO ABOUT CHANGING THE
09/03/09 14:08:33 BUDGET FORE MAT.
09/03/09 14:08:35 AS LONG AS I HAVE BEEN
09/03/09 14:08:37 ASSOCIATED WITH THE CITY FOLKS
09/03/09 14:08:39 HAVE COMPLAINED ABOUT THE
09/03/09 14:08:39 BUDGET FORE MAT.
09/03/09 14:08:42 IT DID NOT SET OFF A
09/03/09 14:08:42 RED FLAG
09/03/09 14:08:43 WITH ME.
09/03/09 14:08:46 SO I WAS PLEASED WE
09/03/09 14:08:49 WERE
09/03/09 14:08:50 WORKING ON THAT.
09/03/09 14:08:51 MR. TERRITA WORKED WITH MISS
09/03/09 14:08:54 WISE IN THE BUDGET OFFICE ON
09/03/09 14:08:55 THAT, REVIVED MATERIALS
09/03/09 14:08:57 SUBMITTED TO MAKE SURE THEY
09/03/09 14:08:59 WERE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT IS IN
09/03/09 14:09:01 THE CHARTER AND HE OR MISS WISE
09/03/09 14:09:03 COULD WALK YOU THROUGH WHERE
09/03/09 14:09:03 ALL THAT IS.
09/03/09 14:09:06 THE FORMAT
09/03/09 14:09:09 IS DIFFERENT.
09/03/09 14:09:12 AND EACH OF THE ITEMS
09/03/09 14:09:12 THAT ARE
09/03/09 14:09:14 LISTED IN THE CHARTER, I AM
09/03/09 14:09:16 TOLD, ARE IN THE BUDGET THAT
09/03/09 14:09:19 WAS PRESENTED ON THE
09/03/09 14:09:21 ORIGINAL
09/03/09 14:09:22 DAY AUGUST 6th.
09/03/09 14:09:24 YOU CAN ALL REQUEST ADDITIONAL
09/03/09 14:09:24 INFORMATION.
09/03/09 14:09:27 YOU ALL NEED THE INFORMATION
09/03/09 14:09:30 NECESSARY TO MAKE SOUND
09/03/09 14:09:30 DECISIONS.
09/03/09 14:09:31 THAT IS APPROPRIATE.
09/03/09 14:09:32 MY UNDERSTAND SOMETHING THAT
09/03/09 14:09:34 ALL THE INFORMATION THAT WAS
09/03/09 14:09:37 PROVIDED IN PREVIOUS
09/03/09 14:09:38 YEARS HAS
09/03/09 14:09:40 NOW BEEN PROVIDED TO COUNCIL I
09/03/09 14:09:41 BELIEVE IT SHOULD BE
09/03/09 14:09:41 COMPARABLE.
09/03/09 14:09:44 I AM NOT A BUDGET ANALYST.
09/03/09 14:09:45 THAT IS SOMETHING MISS WISE OR
09/03/09 14:09:48 HER STAFF WOULD NEED TO ADDRESS
09/03/09 14:09:48 WITH YOU.
09/03/09 14:09:50 NOW THE ONLY OTHER POINT I
09/03/09 14:09:52 WANTED TO MAKE WAS IN LOOKING
09/03/09 14:09:55 BACK, AT LEAST THE LAST
09/03/09 14:09:56 FEW
09/03/09 14:09:59 YEARS, AS
09/03/09 14:10:00 LONG AS WE'VE GONE
09/03/09 14:10:01 BACK A FEW YEARS.
09/03/09 14:10:03 WE HAVE ACTIVE FILES WE WILL
09/03/09 14:10:05 PROBABLY GO BACK FURTHER BEFORE
09/03/09 14:10:05 YOU BUDGET HEARING.
09/03/09 14:10:08 YOU HAVE BEEN PRESENTED WITH
09/03/09 14:10:10 THE ANNUAL BUDGET, PRESENTED
09/03/09 14:10:12 WITH THE CAPITOL BUDGET AND
09/03/09 14:10:14 PLAN AND YOU HAVE BEEN
09/03/09 14:10:16 PRESENTED WITH THE BUDGET
09/03/09 14:10:16 SUPPLEMENT.
09/03/09 14:10:19 WHAT COUNCIL HAS APPROVED
09/03/09 14:10:19 BY
09/03/09 14:10:20 ORDINANCE AND RESOLUTION IN THE
09/03/09 14:10:23 PAST WAS THE ANNUAL BUDGET
09/03/09 14:10:23 AND
09/03/09 14:10:25 THE CAPITAL BUDGET AND PLAN.
09/03/09 14:10:27 I THINK THE BELIEF WAS THAT
09/03/09 14:10:30 THAT'S WHAT WAS THE APPROVED
09/03/09 14:10:33 BUDGET YOU ALL WERE ALWAYS
09/03/09 14:10:35 GIVEN THAT ADDITIONAL BUDGET
09/03/09 14:10:35 INFORMATION.
09/03/09 14:10:37 CERTAINLY, AS CHAIRMAN SCOTT
09/03/09 14:10:38 READ YOU HAVE CHARTER
09/03/09 14:10:40 PROVISIONS THAT ALLOW YOU TO
09/03/09 14:10:42 AMEND THE BUDGET AFTER
09/03/09 14:10:44 TRANSMITLE AS YOU BELIEVE IS
09/03/09 14:10:44 PRUDENT.
09/03/09 14:10:47 THE ONLY THING I WILL POINT
09/03/09 14:10:50 OUT, IF THAT WAS DONE THE WAY
09/03/09 14:10:52 DESCRIBED, WE WILL PROBABLY
09/03/09 14:10:54 HAVE MORE SIGNIFICANTLY MORE OF
09/03/09 14:10:55 THOSE SMALL DOLLAR RESOLUTIONS
09/03/09 14:10:57 COMING TO YOU TO MOVE DOLLARS
09/03/09 14:10:57 AROUND.
09/03/09 14:11:00 THAT IS THE CONSEQUENCE OF
09/03/09 14:11:02 HAVING A APPROVED BUDGET THAT
09/03/09 14:11:03 IS MORE DETAILED.
09/03/09 14:11:06 THAT IS FOR YOU ALL TO JUDGE
09/03/09 14:11:06 AS
09/03/09 14:11:07 APPROPRIATE OR NOT.
09/03/09 14:11:09 I AM JUST LAYING OUT WHAT HAS
09/03/09 14:11:12 BEEN DONE IN THE PAST, WHAT IS
09/03/09 14:11:12 DIFFERENT.
09/03/09 14:11:15 WHY IN OUR VIEW WHAT WAS
09/03/09 14:11:17 MET
09/03/09 14:11:17 AND CERTAINLY COUNCILMEMBERS
09/03/09 14:11:20 HAVE WAR AUTHORITY AND DUTY TO
09/03/09 14:11:21 GET INFORMATION THEY NEED
09/03/09 14:11:22 NECESSARY TO MAKE PRUDENT
09/03/09 14:11:22 DECISIONS.
09/03/09 14:11:24 I THINK THAT IS FAIR.
09/03/09 14:11:25 IF YOU WOULD LIKE MISS WISE TO
09/03/09 14:11:27 GO THROUGH THE BUDGET DOCUMENT
09/03/09 14:11:30 I AM SURE SHE WOULD BE WILLING
09/03/09 14:11:33 TO DO THAT AND EXPLAIN --
09/03/09 14:11:34 >> MR. FLETCHER.
09/03/09 14:11:35 IS MY MOTION IN ORDER NOW?
09/03/09 14:11:37 >>>I WILL BELIEVE SO.
09/03/09 14:11:37 YES.
09/03/09 14:11:40 >> OKAY THAT IS WHAT
09/03/09 14:11:41 I NEEDED.
09/03/09 14:11:41 >> SECOND.
09/03/09 14:11:44 >> SORRY BEFORE YOU MAKE AT
09/03/09 14:11:44 THAT MOTION.
09/03/09 14:11:46 JUST TO REFER TO YOUR RULES.
09/03/09 14:11:47 IT JUST SAYS NO OFFICIAL --I
09/03/09 14:11:51 AM READING FROM D-4
09/03/09 14:11:52 OF THE
09/03/09 14:11:55 WORKSHOPS UNDER RULE 1. NO RULE
09/03/09 14:11:56 3 MEETINGS.
09/03/09 14:11:58 NO OFFICIAL ACTION ON THE
09/03/09 14:12:00 MATTER WHICH IS THE SUBJECT OF
09/03/09 14:12:02 THE WORKSHOP SHALL BE TAKEN
09/03/09 14:12:04 UNLESS THE PUBLIC IS AFFORDED
09/03/09 14:12:06 THE OPPORTUNITY COMMENT PRIOR
09/03/09 14:12:07 TO ACTION.
09/03/09 14:12:08 MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE HOLD
09/03/09 14:12:08 THAT.
09/03/09 14:12:11 >> HOLD THAT
09/03/09 14:12:12 IN ADVANCE.
09/03/09 14:12:13 >> OKAY.
09/03/09 14:12:16 >> DO YOU WITH DRAW YOUR
09/03/09 14:12:16 MOTION?
09/03/09 14:12:19 >> HOLD IT INFULL WE GET A
09/03/09 14:12:20 PUBLIC OPPORTUNITY.
09/03/09 14:12:20 >> OKAY.
09/03/09 14:12:23 >> BUT THAT IS ALL I
09/03/09 14:12:25 WANTED TO
09/03/09 14:12:25 SAY.
09/03/09 14:12:26 AGAIN, --
09/03/09 14:12:26 >> THANK YOU.
09/03/09 14:12:28 I JUST WANTED TO SAY A COUPLE
09/03/09 14:12:31 THINGS THEN I
09/03/09 14:12:33 WILL RECOGNIZE
09/03/09 14:12:36 MISS SAUL-SENA.
09/03/09 14:12:37 CHAIRMAN SCOTT REMINDED ME THAT
09/03/09 14:12:39 BY CHARTER WE WERE SUPPOSED TO
09/03/09 14:12:42 HAVE RECEIVED THE BUDGET 45
09/03/09 14:12:44 DAYS PRIOR TO ADOPTION.
09/03/09 14:12:47 AND IT IS 26 DAYS LATE.
09/03/09 14:12:49 AND I ALSO WANTED, HEARING FROM
09/03/09 14:12:53 MR. FLETCHER I WANTED
09/03/09 14:12:56 TO ASK,
09/03/09 14:12:59 AND I KNOW I HAVE ULTIMATE
09/03/09 14:13:00 RESPECT FOR BONNIE AND LOVE
09/03/09 14:13:01 WORKING WITH HER.
09/03/09 14:13:02 MAYBE SHE THOUGHT I UNDERSTOOD
09/03/09 14:13:04 THIS IS WHAT WE WERE NOT GOING
09/03/09 14:13:06 TO GET A BUDGET SUPPLEMENT, BUT
09/03/09 14:13:09 I THINK IT IS CURIOUS THAT
09/03/09 14:13:12 LEGAL WAS DISCUSSING THIS,
09/03/09 14:13:14 CHANGING THE WHOLE FORMAT OF
09/03/09 14:13:16 THE BUDGET WITHOUT TALKING TO
09/03/09 14:13:19 ME AS FINANCE CHAIR OR CHAIRMAN
09/03/09 14:13:21 SCOTT SO THAT IT WAS SORT OF
09/03/09 14:13:25 JUST FOUND
09/03/09 14:13:25 OUT BY ACCIDENT.
09/03/09 14:13:28 SO I AM WONDERING HOW THAT
09/03/09 14:13:28 HAPPENED?
09/03/09 14:13:31 >> I CAN'T REALLY SPEAK TO
09/03/09 14:13:31 THAT.
09/03/09 14:13:33 I THINK IN HIND SIGHT I WOULD
09/03/09 14:13:35 SAY IT WOULD HAVE BEEN
09/03/09 14:13:37 APPROPRIATE TO CONSULT WITH
09/03/09 14:13:37 COUNCIL ON THAT.
09/03/09 14:13:40 I PERSONALLY WAS
09/03/09 14:13:42 NOT AWARE OF
09/03/09 14:13:45 THE BREADS OF THE
09/03/09 14:13:46 CHANGE IN
09/03/09 14:13:47 FORMAT I JUST KNEW THERE WAS
09/03/09 14:13:49 GOING TO BE AN UPDATE.
09/03/09 14:13:52 WHEN I CAME TO WORK WITH THE
09/03/09 14:13:55 CITY IT TOOK ME FOREVER TO GET
09/03/09 14:13:55 FAMILIAR WITH OUR BUDGET FORE
09/03/09 14:13:58 MAT WHICH IS DIFFERENT.
09/03/09 14:14:00 MY IMPRESSION WAS THAT IT WOULD
09/03/09 14:14:01 BE SIMILAR TO OTHER
09/03/09 14:14:03 JURISDICTIONS WHICH IS WHAT YOU
09/03/09 14:14:05 RECEIVED IN MANY WAYS IS.
09/03/09 14:14:08 FOR ME THERE WAS NO RED
09/03/09 14:14:08 FLOG.
09/03/09 14:14:11 >> I WONDER IF THOSE WERE
09/03/09 14:14:13 STRONG MAYORAL JURISDICTIONS.
09/03/09 14:14:13 >> NO.
09/03/09 14:14:15 AND YOU ARE RIGHT.
09/03/09 14:14:17 WITH THE STRONG MAYORAL FORM OF
09/03/09 14:14:20 GOVERNMENT AND COUNCIL
09/03/09 14:14:23 WE ARE
09/03/09 14:14:26 DIFFERENT.
09/03/09 14:14:29 THAT IS WHY I
09/03/09 14:14:32 SUGGESTED SAL
09/03/09 14:14:32 OR
09/03/09 14:14:33 BONNIE GO THROUGH AND TALK
09/03/09 14:14:35 ABOUT WHERE IT IS IN THE
09/03/09 14:14:35 DOCUMENT.
09/03/09 14:14:38 OUR VIEW IS THAT IT DOES MEET
09/03/09 14:14:39 REQUIREMENTS AND WAS DELIVERED
09/03/09 14:14:40 ON TIME.
09/03/09 14:14:42 YOU ALL CLEARLY WANTED
09/03/09 14:14:43 ADDITIONAL INFORMATION AND YOU
09/03/09 14:14:46 HAVE A RIGHT TO
09/03/09 14:14:49 THAT IF
09/03/09 14:14:52 YOU
09/03/09 14:14:54 NEED TO MAKE PRUDENT E
09/03/09 14:14:55 DECISIONS.
09/03/09 14:14:56 THIS WAS DELIVERED ON TIME.
09/03/09 14:14:58 >> WE HAVE A LOT TO COVER TODAY
09/03/09 14:15:01 AND WE DIDN'T GET THE
09/03/09 14:15:01 SUPPLEMENT UNTIL DAY.
09/03/09 14:15:04 I DON'T REALLY THINK --I
09/03/09 14:15:07 THINK WE CAN SEE HOW THAT WAS
09/03/09 14:15:08 ATTEMPTED TO BE ACCOMPLISHED
09/03/09 14:15:11 BUT THERE IS NO WAY FOR US
09/03/09 14:15:13 TO
09/03/09 14:15:14 EVEN KNOW WHAT ADDITIONAL
09/03/09 14:15:15 INFORMATION WE NEED UNTIL WE
09/03/09 14:15:18 ARE ABLE TO READ BOTH DOCUMENTS
09/03/09 14:15:21 WHICH WE HAVE NOT HAD THE
09/03/09 14:15:21 OPPORTUNITY DO.
09/03/09 14:15:23 I DON'T THINK WE NEED IT.
09/03/09 14:15:26 I WOULD RATHER CONTINUE WITH
09/03/09 14:15:26 THE WORKSHOP.
09/03/09 14:15:28 >> I WANT TO MAKE CLEAR YOU GOT
09/03/09 14:15:31 THE BUDGET 45 DAYS BEFORE AS
09/03/09 14:15:33 YOU REQUIRED TO GET I. YOU HAVE
09/03/09 14:15:35 NEVER AS FAR AS WE CAN TELL
09/03/09 14:15:37 APPROVED THE SUPPLEMENT AS PART
09/03/09 14:15:37 OF YOUR BUDGET.
09/03/09 14:15:40 THAT IS NOT TO SAY YOU ARE NOT
09/03/09 14:15:41 ENTITLED TO THAT INFORMATION,
09/03/09 14:15:43 YOU SHOULDN'T GET THAT
09/03/09 14:15:44 INFORMATION.
09/03/09 14:15:45 THE SUPPLEMENT HAS NOT BEEN
09/03/09 14:15:46 PART OF THE BUDGET.
09/03/09 14:15:48 WE WENT BACK THROUGH THE LAST
09/03/09 14:15:51 FEW YEARS OF RESOLUTIONS
09/03/09 14:15:52 YOU
09/03/09 14:15:55 HAVE NEVER PASSED A SUPPLEMENT.
09/03/09 14:15:58 IF YOU ARE SAYING WE DIDN'T GET
09/03/09 14:15:59 THE BUDGET TO YOU WITHIN 45
09/03/09 14:16:01 DAYS WE HAVE A BIG PROBLEM.
09/03/09 14:16:04 IT WAS GIVEN TO YOU WITHIN THE
09/03/09 14:16:05 45 DAYTIME PERIOD.
09/03/09 14:16:06 IT WAS SUFFICIENT TO MEET THE
09/03/09 14:16:09 CHARTER AND STATE LAW.
09/03/09 14:16:10 THE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION YOU
09/03/09 14:16:12 ARE ENTITLED TO WAS NOT
09/03/09 14:16:15 CONSIDERED PART OF THE BUDGET.
09/03/09 14:16:17 I AM NOT TRYING TO BE SEMANTIC.
09/03/09 14:16:19 THAT INFORMATION IS INFORMATION
09/03/09 14:16:22 YOU SHOULD HAVE 23f YOU WANT IT
09/03/09 14:16:25 BUT YOU HAD THE
09/03/09 14:16:28 FULL BUDGET IN
09/03/09 14:16:28 A TIMELY MANNER.
09/03/09 14:16:30 >>>I WILL THINK WE NEED THE
09/03/09 14:16:33 TIME TO REVIEW THE
09/03/09 14:16:34 SUPPLEMENT
09/03/09 14:16:37 AND DETERMINE HOW OUR OPINION
09/03/09 14:16:37 ON THAT.
09/03/09 14:16:39 BECAUSE TO ME, IT IS CLEAR IN
09/03/09 14:16:41 THE CHARTER, DETAIL, DETAIL,
09/03/09 14:16:43 DETAIL, HOW ARE WE TO KNOW
09/03/09 14:16:45 UNTIL WE HAVE SPENT MANY MANY
09/03/09 14:16:48 HOURS WHICH IF OUR ADVISORY
09/03/09 14:16:49 COMMITTEE HAD HAD THIS
09/03/09 14:16:50 INFORMATION PRIOR TO, THEY
09/03/09 14:16:51 COULD HAVE LET US KNOW.
09/03/09 14:16:52 AT THIS POINT I THINK IT IS A
09/03/09 14:16:55 WASTE OF TIME FOR YOU TO TELL
09/03/09 14:16:57 US HOWEVER THING IS IN THAT ONE
09/03/09 14:16:58 DOCUMENT BECAUSE WE NOW HAVE
09/03/09 14:17:01 THE DOCUMENT WE ASKED
09/03/09 14:17:03 FOR WHICH
09/03/09 14:17:06 OBVIOUSLY WAS USED AND THIS
09/03/09 14:17:08 BUDGET WAS BASED ON THAT.
09/03/09 14:17:10 NOW WE HAVE IT, WE CAN LOOK AT
09/03/09 14:17:10 IT.
09/03/09 14:17:11 WE MAY NEED YOU TO DO THAT FOR
09/03/09 14:17:14 US AT A LATER POINT BUT UNLESS.
09/03/09 14:17:15 >> THAT WASN'T MY INTENTION TO
09/03/09 14:17:17 GO THROUGH IT.
09/03/09 14:17:20 I WANT TO MAKE CLEAR THE BUDGET
09/03/09 14:17:21 YOU GOT AUGUST 6th.
09/03/09 14:17:24 MET THE CHARTER AND MET
09/03/09 14:17:24 STATE
09/03/09 14:17:26 STATUTORY REQUIREMENTS BECAUSE
09/03/09 14:17:29 IF THAT WERE NOT SO, WE HAVE A
09/03/09 14:17:29 BIG PROBLEM.
09/03/09 14:17:31 WE THING IT WAS MET PROPERLY.
09/03/09 14:17:32 WHETHER YOU WANT MORE
09/03/09 14:17:34 INFORMATION IS NOT THE ISSUE.
09/03/09 14:17:36 BUT THE INFORMATION YOU GOT WAS
09/03/09 14:17:39 SUFFICIENT TO MEET THE CHARTER
09/03/09 14:17:39 AND STATUTORY.
09/03/09 14:17:42 I WAS NOT INTENDING TO GO
09/03/09 14:17:43 THROUGH THAT.
09/03/09 14:17:45 I WANT IT ON THE RECORD WE
09/03/09 14:17:48 DIDN'T MISS THE DEADLINE.
09/03/09 14:17:50 >> I WOULD TRUST YOUR LEGAL
09/03/09 14:17:51 ADVICE ON THAT BUT THAT ISN'T
09/03/09 14:17:53 THE ISSUE FOR US.
09/03/09 14:17:54 >> I DON'T WANT FOLKS TO THINK
09/03/09 14:17:56 SOME HOW THERE WAS A DOCUMENT
09/03/09 14:17:58 NOT PROVIDED TO YOU ALL.
09/03/09 14:18:01 THE STUFF
09/03/09 14:18:03 --AFTER CHAIRMAN
09/03/09 14:18:04 SCOTT'S REQUESTION, IT DID
09/03/09 14:18:07 GENERATE FOR YOU A
09/03/09 14:18:08 DOCUMENT TO
09/03/09 14:18:09 MEET THAT REQUEST.
09/03/09 14:18:12 YOU ALL
09/03/09 14:18:15 HAVE
09/03/09 14:18:17 IT NOW.
09/03/09 14:18:21 IT IS NOT LIKE THEY GENERATED
09/03/09 14:18:22 IT AND DIDN'T SUBMIT IT.
09/03/09 14:18:24 >> MR. FLETCHER, LET ME SAY
09/03/09 14:18:25 THIS AGAIN.
09/03/09 14:18:27 I AM TRYING TO BE AS TACTFUL AS
09/03/09 14:18:28 I KNOW HOW.
09/03/09 14:18:31 LAST WEEK I PLACED A CALL TO
09/03/09 14:18:33 MISS WISE AND ASKED FOR THIS
09/03/09 14:18:33 INFORMATION.
09/03/09 14:18:35 I WAS TOLD I WAS NOT ENTITLED
09/03/09 14:18:35 TO IT.
09/03/09 14:18:37 THEY HAD MET THE REQUEST ON THE
09/03/09 14:18:37 FLORIDA STATUTE.
09/03/09 14:18:40 I HAD TO PUT IT IN
09/03/09 14:18:45 WRITING
09/03/09 14:18:45 REQUESTING ADDITIONAL
09/03/09 14:18:46 INFORMATION.
09/03/09 14:18:46 OKAY.
09/03/09 14:18:48 BECAUSE I RAISED A QUESTION WHO
09/03/09 14:18:49 MADE THIS DECISION.
09/03/09 14:18:51 I WAS TOLD WHO.
09/03/09 14:18:52 WASN'T TOLD WHEN IT WAS MADE.
09/03/09 14:18:55 NO BODY TOLD
09/03/09 14:18:58 COUNCIL
09/03/09 14:18:59 ABOUT IT,
09/03/09 14:19:00 OKAY.
09/03/09 14:19:03 THEN THE POINT WAS
09/03/09 14:19:06 WELL, WE
09/03/09 14:19:06 MET
09/03/09 14:19:07 10 OF THE CHARTER.
09/03/09 14:19:09 YOU DID BUT COUNCIL DIDN'T GET
09/03/09 14:19:11 ALL THE INFORMATION IT WANTED
09/03/09 14:19:13 SO THAT WE CAN LOOK THROUGH ALL
09/03/09 14:19:16 THESE DOCUMENTS AND BE ABLE
09/03/09 14:19:16 TO
09/03/09 14:19:19 SEE EVERYTHING AND
09/03/09 14:19:19 MAKE A
09/03/09 14:19:20 DECISION.
09/03/09 14:19:20 SEE.
09/03/09 14:19:22 I WAS KIND OF TAKEN BACK WHEN I
09/03/09 14:19:24 WAS TOLD YOU GOT ALL THE
09/03/09 14:19:26 INFORMATION YOU NEED ON YOUR
09/03/09 14:19:27 DOCUMENT.
09/03/09 14:19:28 YOU DON'T NEED NO MORE.
09/03/09 14:19:29 >> AND JUST --
09/03/09 14:19:32 >> WITH ALL DUE RESPECT TO THE
09/03/09 14:19:34 ADMINISTRATION, BONNIE WISE,
09/03/09 14:19:37 YOU, AGAIN, WE
09/03/09 14:19:40 HAVE TO DO
09/03/09 14:19:42 --
09/03/09 14:19:45 STILL
09/03/09 14:19:47 OUR RESPONSIBLE
09/03/09 14:19:48 OBLIGATION UNDER THE CHARTER.
09/03/09 14:19:50 I WOULD SUGGESTION --I AM NOT
09/03/09 14:19:52 SAYING YOU HAVE TO GO OUT AND
09/03/09 14:19:55 PRINT BOOKS AND BOOKS OF THIS
09/03/09 14:19:57 THING BUT AT LEAST SEVEN --OR
09/03/09 14:19:59 EVEN ELECTRONICALLY GIVEN IT TO
09/03/09 14:20:02 US IN THE FUTURE SHOULD
09/03/09 14:20:03 NOT BE
09/03/09 14:20:03 AN ISSUE.
09/03/09 14:20:06 I INTEND TO MAKE SURE OF THAT
09/03/09 14:20:06 BY MAKING A MOTION.
09/03/09 14:20:08 >>>I WILL JUST WANT TO THANK
09/03/09 14:20:09 YOU FORGIVING US THE
09/03/09 14:20:10 SUPPLEMENT.
09/03/09 14:20:11 NOW WE HAVE IT.
09/03/09 14:20:13 THAT'S WHAT WE ASKED FOR.
09/03/09 14:20:15 NOW I WOULD LIKE TO PROCEED
09/03/09 14:20:18 WITH THE MEETING AND CALL ON
09/03/09 14:20:20 COUNCIL WOMAN SAUL-SENA.
09/03/09 14:20:21 >> THANK YOU.
09/03/09 14:20:23 HISTORICALLY I HAVE BEEN
09/03/09 14:20:25 THROUGH THREE MAYORS, WE HAVE
09/03/09 14:20:26 ALWAYS RECEIVE ADD SUPPLEMENT.
09/03/09 14:20:28 IT WAS ALWAYS MY UNDERSTANDING
09/03/09 14:20:31 WHEN WE SAID BUDGET
09/03/09 14:20:33 IT WAS
09/03/09 14:20:33 HOLISTIC.
09/03/09 14:20:33 AND INCLUDED IT.
09/03/09 14:20:36 SECONDLY I WANT TO THANK YOUR
09/03/09 14:20:36 CITIZENS.
09/03/09 14:20:38 YOU ALL HAVE DONE SUCH AN
09/03/09 14:20:39 EXCELLENT JOB.
09/03/09 14:20:40 YOU HAVE REALLY PROVEN YOUR
09/03/09 14:20:43 VALUE AS A THOUGHTFUL GROUP TO
09/03/09 14:20:46 PROVIDE US WITH ADDITIONAL
09/03/09 14:20:47 INSIGHTS, DIFFERENT FROM OUR
09/03/09 14:20:49 STAFF, DIFFERENT FROM
09/03/09 14:20:50 OURSELVES, CARING ABOUT OUR
09/03/09 14:20:52 CITIZENS AND IN THE BEGINNING
09/03/09 14:20:54 MARK YOU THANKED THE STAFF.
09/03/09 14:20:56 WELL, THE STAFF IS PAID TO DO
09/03/09 14:20:56 THIS.
09/03/09 14:20:59 YOU ALL ARE DOING THIS OUT OF
09/03/09 14:21:00 A
09/03/09 14:21:03 SENSE OF CIVIC
09/03/09 14:21:04 RESPONSIBILITY.
09/03/09 14:21:07 THE SENSE OF INSIGHTS YOU HAVE
09/03/09 14:21:09 GIVEN US ARE THOUGHTFUL AND
09/03/09 14:21:09 CREATIVE.
09/03/09 14:21:11 I WANT TO THANK YOU
09/03/09 14:21:12 INDIVIDUALLY FOR THE HOURS YOU
09/03/09 14:21:13 HAVE PUT INTO THIS.
09/03/09 14:21:15 YOU HAVE COME UP WITH NEW AND
09/03/09 14:21:16 FRESH WAYS TO APPROACH WHAT IS
09/03/09 14:21:19 GOING TO BE A CHALLENGING TIME.
09/03/09 14:21:21 I VERY MUCH APPRECIATED THE
09/03/09 14:21:23 FACT THAT YOU ADDRESSED NOT
09/03/09 14:21:25 ONLY THIS YEAR'S BUDGET BUT
09/03/09 14:21:28 NEXT YEAR 'S BECAUSE WE NEED TO
09/03/09 14:21:30 INFORM OUR THINKING
09/03/09 14:21:30 STRATEGICALLY.
09/03/09 14:21:33 SO THANK ALL OF YOU
09/03/09 14:21:37 FOR YOUR
09/03/09 14:21:38 WORK.
09/03/09 14:21:41 >> EXCUSE ME MR.
09/03/09 14:21:41 SMITH.
09/03/09 14:21:42 BONNIE'S NAME HAS BEEN
09/03/09 14:21:45 MENTIONED 30 TIMES IN THE LAST
09/03/09 14:21:45 10-15 MINUTES.
09/03/09 14:21:48 I THINK WE ALL FEEL THE SAME
09/03/09 14:21:50 ABOUT MISS WISE SHE DOES A
09/03/09 14:21:50 GREAT JOB.
09/03/09 14:21:53 GIVES US ALL THE INFORMATION
09/03/09 14:21:53 WE
09/03/09 14:21:54 NEED REGULARLY.
09/03/09 14:21:55 ANSWERS OUR CALLS ALL HOURS OF
09/03/09 14:21:57 THE DAY AND NIGHT ON
09/03/09 14:21:57 EVERYTHING.
09/03/09 14:21:59 WHY DON'T WE HEAR FROM MISS
09/03/09 14:22:01 WISE TO EXPLAIN HER POSITION IN
09/03/09 14:22:04 REGARD TO THIS ISSUE AND
09/03/09 14:22:05 HOW WE
09/03/09 14:22:05 GOT HERE.
09/03/09 14:22:05 MR. SMITH, DO YOU MIND?
09/03/09 14:22:08 >>>I WILL WOULD LIKE TO PROVIDE
09/03/09 14:22:09 GENERAL COMMENTS AND THEN
09/03/09 14:22:12 BONNIE CAN PROVIDE A FOLLOW
09/03/09 14:22:14 UP.
09/03/09 14:22:15 IF WE COULD.
09/03/09 14:22:18 DARYL SMITH CHIEF OF
09/03/09 14:22:19 STAFF.
09/03/09 14:22:19 GOOD AFTERNOON.
09/03/09 14:22:21 I WOULD LIKE TO PROVIDE MORE
09/03/09 14:22:23 BACKGROUND AND CLARITY ON HOW
09/03/09 14:22:25 WE GOT TO WHERE WE ARE TODAY
09/03/09 14:22:28 WITH CONCERN ABOUT
09/03/09 14:22:29 THE
09/03/09 14:22:29 SUPPLEMENT.
09/03/09 14:22:32 IT REALLY GOES BACK
09/03/09 14:22:35 TO THE
09/03/09 14:22:37 SITUATION THAT THE CITY IS IN
09/03/09 14:22:39 AND HAS BEEN IN FOR THE LAST
09/03/09 14:22:42 --THIS IS OUR THIRD
09/03/09 14:22:43 YEAR, A
09/03/09 14:22:44 SIGNIFICANT BUDGET REDUCTION
09/03/09 14:22:47 AND THE NEED
09/03/09 14:22:47 FOR CHANGE.
09/03/09 14:22:50 AND THE NEED TO ADAPT AND
09/03/09 14:22:51 CHANGE THE WAY WE DO THE
09/03/09 14:22:53 BUSINESS OF GOVERNMENT IN ORDER
09/03/09 14:22:56 TO CONTINUE TO GO FORWARD TO
09/03/09 14:22:57 DELIVER SERVICES AND CONTINUE
09/03/09 14:23:00 TO PROVIDE WHAT THE PUBLIC
09/03/09 14:23:01 EXPECTS FROM US.
09/03/09 14:23:04 AS WE GO FORWARD, $51
09/03/09 14:23:05 MILLION
09/03/09 14:23:08 SHORT FALL IN THIS YEAR, IS THE
09/03/09 14:23:09 MOST SIGNIFICANT CHANGE THAT WE
09/03/09 14:23:12 FACED IN THE LAST THREE YEARS.
09/03/09 14:23:14 WHEN WE HAVE THAT CHALLENGE, WE
09/03/09 14:23:16 HAVE TO MAKE CHANGES.
09/03/09 14:23:18 AND THE INTENT OF THE BUDGET
09/03/09 14:23:20 STAFF WAS TO ADAPT TO THE
09/03/09 14:23:23 REALITIES OF WHAT WE HAVE NOW,
09/03/09 14:23:25 IN THE FUTURE, AND TO MAKE
09/03/09 14:23:28 CHANGES THAT ARE NOT
09/03/09 14:23:29 ONLY GREEN
09/03/09 14:23:32 BUT THEY REDUCE
09/03/09 14:23:33 STAFF TIMES
09/03/09 14:23:34 SIGNIFICANTLY.
09/03/09 14:23:35 TIME IS MONEY AND IF YOU CAN
09/03/09 14:23:37 REDUCE STAFF TIME
09/03/09 14:23:38 SIGNIFICANTLY, WE HAVE MORE
09/03/09 14:23:40 TIME THE WORK ON OTHER THINGS
09/03/09 14:23:43 LIKE PROVIDING AN ANALYSIS OF
09/03/09 14:23:46 THE ACTUAL BUDGET NOT JUST
09/03/09 14:23:49 LINE
09/03/09 14:23:50 ITEM DETAIL.
09/03/09 14:23:52 WE'VE REDUCED STAFF 10.5% OVER
09/03/09 14:23:54 THE LAST THREE YEARS.
09/03/09 14:23:55 IF COUNCIL EXPECTS US TO
09/03/09 14:23:56 PROVIDE THE SAME LEVEL OF
09/03/09 14:23:58 SERVICE AS WE HAVE IN THE LAST
09/03/09 14:24:00 THREE YEARS AS WE GO FORWARD,
09/03/09 14:24:02 WE CAN'T GET THERE DOING
09/03/09 14:24:05 EVERYTHING WE'VE DONE IN
09/03/09 14:24:06 THE
09/03/09 14:24:07 PAST.
09/03/09 14:24:09 THAT SAID, WE REALIZE COUNCIL
09/03/09 14:24:12 BY CHARTER, HAS THE AUTHORITY
09/03/09 14:24:13 TO ASK FOR INFORMATION.
09/03/09 14:24:16 AND WE TRIED TO HONOR THAT IN
09/03/09 14:24:17 A
09/03/09 14:24:20 TIMELY MANNER WHENEVER
09/03/09 14:24:21 WE CAN.
09/03/09 14:24:23 CHAIRMAN SCOTT CALLS FOR THE
09/03/09 14:24:26 INFORMATION, AS A
09/03/09 14:24:27 FOLLOW UP
09/03/09 14:24:29 REQUEST, INITIALLY THAT WAS
09/03/09 14:24:31 DISCUSSED, BUT AS SOON AS IT
09/03/09 14:24:33 GOT TO MY LEVEL I MADE DECISION
09/03/09 14:24:35 AND RECOMMENDATION TO THE MAYOR
09/03/09 14:24:38 THAT WE PROVIDE
09/03/09 14:24:39 COUNCIL THE
09/03/09 14:24:41 INFORMATION AND FULL 2.5 DAYS
09/03/09 14:24:42 INCLUDING LAST WEEKEND WORKED
09/03/09 14:24:44 TO PRODUCE THAT LINE ITEM
09/03/09 14:24:47 DETAIL WE GOT IT TO YOU
09/03/09 14:24:47 YESTERDAY.
09/03/09 14:24:49 YES, LATE, BUT STILL WE
09/03/09 14:24:49 PROVIDED IT.
09/03/09 14:24:52 IT WAS NOT THAT WE
09/03/09 14:24:52 WERE TRYING
09/03/09 14:24:54 TO TAKE A POSITION THAT YOU ARE
09/03/09 14:24:56 NOT ENTITLED TO IT.
09/03/09 14:24:57 AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO PROVIDE
09/03/09 14:24:59 THE INFORMATION THAT COUNCIL
09/03/09 14:25:01 REQUESTS BUT WE WOULD LIKE YOUR
09/03/09 14:25:04 UNDERSTANDING THAT TIMES ARE
09/03/09 14:25:05 CHANGING, HAVE CHANGED, AND WE
09/03/09 14:25:07 ARE TRYING NEW THINGS.
09/03/09 14:25:09 IN THIS CASE, WE TRIED A NEW
09/03/09 14:25:11 EFFORT TO MAKE IT MORE USER
09/03/09 14:25:13 FRIENDLY, TO MAKE IT GREENER,
09/03/09 14:25:16 AND TO MAKE IT LESS STAFF
09/03/09 14:25:18 INTENSIVE AND LESS COSTLY AND
09/03/09 14:25:21 THE FEEDBACK WE
09/03/09 14:25:21 GOT, LOUD AND
09/03/09 14:25:24 CLEAR IS THAT COUNCIL WANTS
09/03/09 14:25:24 THAT INFO HAS.
09/03/09 14:25:26 WE WILL CONTINUE TO PROVIDE IT
09/03/09 14:25:28 BUT AS IN THE PAST WE DO NOT
09/03/09 14:25:31 CONSIDER IT TO BE PART
09/03/09 14:25:31 OF THE
09/03/09 14:25:32 ADOPTED BUDGET.
09/03/09 14:25:33 BUT IT IS INFORMATION WE WILL
09/03/09 14:25:36 PROVIDE IT IF THAT
09/03/09 14:25:39 IS
09/03/09 14:25:41 YOUR
09/03/09 14:25:41 DESIRE.
09/03/09 14:25:41 THANK YOU.
09/03/09 14:25:43 >>> THANK YOU BONNIE WISE.
09/03/09 14:25:45 I ALMOST FEEL LIKE YOU WERE ALL
09/03/09 14:25:46 TALKING ABILITY ME AND I WASN'T
09/03/09 14:25:48 IN THE ROOM --ABOUT ME AND I
09/03/09 14:25:51 WASN'T IN THE
09/03/09 14:25:51 ROOM.
09/03/09 14:25:52 DARYL SUMMARIZED IT.
09/03/09 14:25:54 I THINK YOU HAVE FOUND ME TO BE
09/03/09 14:25:56 UPFRONT, AND PROVIDE
09/03/09 14:25:57 INFORMATION AS YOU ASK FOR IT.
09/03/09 14:26:00 SO I AM A LITTLE OFFENDED THAT
09/03/09 14:26:03 SOMEONE SHOULD THINK I DID
09/03/09 14:26:03 THIS
09/03/09 14:26:06 FOR SOME ULTERIOR MOTIVE THAN
09/03/09 14:26:07 FRANKLY USE STAFF TIME.
09/03/09 14:26:10 I WAS SO EXCITED WE HAD
09/03/09 14:26:12 COMBINED THREE BOOKS OF
09/03/09 14:26:13 MATERIAL INTO THIS NEW BOOK
09/03/09 14:26:15 THAT I THOUGHT WAS SO MUCH MORE
09/03/09 14:26:18 USER FRIENDLY AND PROVIDED
09/03/09 14:26:20 INFORMATION, SO I AM SO SORRY
09/03/09 14:26:22 THAT I DID NOT GET WITH YOU AND
09/03/09 14:26:24 GO THROUGH THAT IN GREATER
09/03/09 14:26:24 DETAIL.
09/03/09 14:26:26 I WAS EXCITED ABOUT IT.
09/03/09 14:26:27 I THOUGHT EVERYBODY ELSE WOULD
09/03/09 14:26:29 BE AS EXCITED ABOUT IT AS I WAS
09/03/09 14:26:31 AND NOW I DO KNOW YOU WANT THAT
09/03/09 14:26:33 ADDITIONAL INFORMATION AND I AM
09/03/09 14:26:34 HAPPY TO HAVE IT PROVIDED TO
09/03/09 14:26:37 YOU BUT WE ARE GOING TO MAKE
09/03/09 14:26:37 CHANGES.
09/03/09 14:26:38 I DO WANT TO MOVE OUR BUDGET
09/03/09 14:26:41 INTO A MORE PROGRESSIVE INSTEAD
09/03/09 14:26:43 OF THE SAME THING WE HAVE DONE
09/03/09 14:26:45 IN THE CITY OF TAMPA FOR THE
09/03/09 14:26:47 LAST 30 YEARS, I WANT IT TO BE
09/03/09 14:26:49 A GOOD DOCUMENT FOR YOU TO
09/03/09 14:26:52 UNDERSTAND AND REALLY BE ABLE
09/03/09 14:26:53 TO WORK WITH.
09/03/09 14:26:55 SO WITH THAT, LET'S MOVE ON.
09/03/09 14:26:56 >> THANK YOU.
09/03/09 14:26:58 NONE OF US, I THINK WE ALL
09/03/09 14:27:01 TRIED TO MAKE IT CLEAR WERE
09/03/09 14:27:04 SUGGESTING THAT YOU WERE
09/03/09 14:27:04 TRYING
09/03/09 14:27:07 TO NOT PROVIDE US WITH
09/03/09 14:27:08 INFORMATION BUT QUITE FRANKLY
09/03/09 14:27:11 THAT IS MY EXPERIENCE WITH THE
09/03/09 14:27:13 ADMINISTRATION ON EVERYTHING IS
09/03/09 14:27:16 NOT ABOUT YOU, IT IS ABOUT
09/03/09 14:27:17 THE
09/03/09 14:27:19 ATTITUDE OF HAVING TO BEG FOR
09/03/09 14:27:21 --GET REPORTERS TO GET
09/03/09 14:27:22 INFORMATION FOR ME.
09/03/09 14:27:23 SO I HAVE TO SAY, IT IS
09/03/09 14:27:25 DISPOINTING BUT IT IS NOT
09/03/09 14:27:28 SURPRISING THAT WE HAD
09/03/09 14:27:29 DIFFICULTY GETTING THIS.
09/03/09 14:27:32 MR. SMITH, THE DEVIL IS IN THE
09/03/09 14:27:32 DETAILS.
09/03/09 14:27:35 WE NEED TO SEE THE DETAILS AND
09/03/09 14:27:36 LESS OVERSIGHT IS NOT A
09/03/09 14:27:36 SOLUTION.
09/03/09 14:27:39 IF YOU ARE LOOKING FOR OKAY
09/03/09 14:27:41 WELL, A 90 PAGE DOCUMENT YOU
09/03/09 14:27:43 NEEDED TO PRINT 7 COPIES.
09/03/09 14:27:46 WELL, I PRINTED MY OWN SO IT IS
09/03/09 14:27:48 COMING OUT OF MY --JANET, IT
09/03/09 14:27:51 IS COMING OUT OF MY
09/03/09 14:27:51 OFFICE
09/03/09 14:27:51 BUDGET.
09/03/09 14:27:53 SO I JUST --I HOPE THAT WE
09/03/09 14:27:55 FIND THAT EVERYTHING WAS IN
09/03/09 14:27:57 THIS NEW VERSION OF THE BUDGET
09/03/09 14:27:59 AND IF WE DO, THEN WE CAN TALK
09/03/09 14:27:59 ABOUT IT.
09/03/09 14:28:02 BUT AT THIS POINT WE
09/03/09 14:28:02 DON'T
09/03/09 14:28:03 REALLY KNOW.
09/03/09 14:28:05 I WOULD LIKE TO RECOGNIZE MR.
09/03/09 14:28:07 DINGFELDER THEN WE NEED TO ASK
09/03/09 14:28:08 WE HAVE OUR COMMITTEE HERE WE
09/03/09 14:28:11 NEED TO ASK QUESTIONS OF THEM.
09/03/09 14:28:14 >> I JUST WANT TO SAY ONE
09/03/09 14:28:15 THING, THANK YOU BONNIE FOR
09/03/09 14:28:17 THAT AND DARYL AS WELL.
09/03/09 14:28:20 I THINK LIKE SO
09/03/09 14:28:20 MANY THINGS IN
09/03/09 14:28:23 LIFE IT COMES DOWN TO BERT
09/03/09 14:28:26 COMMUNICATION, --BETTER
09/03/09 14:28:26 COMMUNICATION.
09/03/09 14:28:27 CLEARLY THE INTENT OF BONNIE
09/03/09 14:28:30 DOING THIS NEW PROGRAM WAS FOR
09/03/09 14:28:32 EFFICIENCY AND A BETTER WAY OF
09/03/09 14:28:33 DOING THINGHER WORLD.
09/03/09 14:28:35 I DON'T WANT TO GO INTO HER
09/03/09 14:28:35 WORLD.
09/03/09 14:28:37 WE HAVE OUR OWN WORLD AND THIS
09/03/09 14:28:38 IS OUR THING.
09/03/09 14:28:40 I TRUST HER IF SHE FEELS
09/03/09 14:28:40 ULTIMATELY IN THE LONG RUN THIS
09/03/09 14:28:43 IS A A BETTER WAY
09/03/09 14:28:44 OF DOING
09/03/09 14:28:44 BUDGETS, MORE EFFICIENT ET
09/03/09 14:28:46 CETERA THAT IS A GOOD THING BUT
09/03/09 14:28:49 AND I KNOW BODY WILL
09/03/09 14:28:51 ACCEPT
09/03/09 14:28:51 THIS AS CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM
09/03/09 14:28:54 BUT THERE IS A BREAK DOWN IN
09/03/09 14:28:54 COMMUNICATION.
09/03/09 14:28:56 IF SHE HAD BRIEFED THE CHAIRMAN
09/03/09 14:28:57 AND FINANCE CHAIR.
09/03/09 14:28:59 ALL OF US THAT THIS WAS COMING
09/03/09 14:29:01 WE WOULDN'T BE SITTING HERE
09/03/09 14:29:02 TODAY AND MR. SMITH I WILL SAY
09/03/09 14:29:05 THE SAME THING ABOUT A LOT OF
09/03/09 14:29:06 THESE OTHER NEW THINGS YOU HAVE
09/03/09 14:29:09 COMING DOWN THE PIKE.
09/03/09 14:29:11 I MEAN IN FRONT OF US THIS
09/03/09 14:29:14 MORNING, TALKING ABOUT A NEW
09/03/09 14:29:15 WAY TO HANDLE MULCH.
09/03/09 14:29:17 BUT IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT THE
09/03/09 14:29:17 SUBJECT IS.
09/03/09 14:29:19 WE JUST NEED TO GET BRIEFED AND
09/03/09 14:29:22 COMMUNICATED WITH AS EARLY AS
09/03/09 14:29:22 POSSIBLE.
09/03/09 14:29:23 DON'T WAIT UNTIL THE PROGRAM IS
09/03/09 14:29:26 PERFECT TO BRING IT TO US TO
09/03/09 14:29:27 JUST BLESS IT WITH WHATEVER
09/03/09 14:29:28 BLESSING YOU NEED FROM US
09/03/09 14:29:30 INCLUDE US IN THE PROCESS AT
09/03/09 14:29:32 LEAST GIVE US HEADS UP THESE
09/03/09 14:29:33 ARE THE THINGS WE ARE WORKING
09/03/09 14:29:35 ON AND THIS IS THE WAY WE THINK
09/03/09 14:29:37 IT IS GOING TO EFFECT COUNCIL.
09/03/09 14:29:39 THEN WE WOULDN'T BE HAVING
09/03/09 14:29:40 THESE DISCUSSIONS.
09/03/09 14:29:41 THAT IS MY 2-CENTS.
09/03/09 14:29:42 >> ANYONE --
09/03/09 14:29:45 >> THANK YOU MADAME CHAIR.
09/03/09 14:29:48 I AM MORE CONCERNED ABOUT THE
09/03/09 14:29:49 BIG PICTURE.
09/03/09 14:29:50 THE REAL BIG PICTURE.
09/03/09 14:29:52 WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN NEXT
09/03/09 14:29:54 YEAR , WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN
09/03/09 14:29:54 THE FOLLOWING YEAR.
09/03/09 14:29:56 WHAT IS HAPPENING THIS YEAR.
09/03/09 14:29:59 I AM CONCERNED ON THE
09/03/09 14:30:00 CHAIRMAN'S REPORT, ON THE
09/03/09 14:30:02 FINANCIAL CAPABILITIES OF THE
09/03/09 14:30:02 CITY.
09/03/09 14:30:05 AS YOU WELL KNOW A SUMMER
09/03/09 14:30:06 OR GO
09/03/09 14:30:07 ASAID NAME ME A COMPANY WHO
09/03/09 14:30:09 DOESN'T HAVE A FURLOUGH AND
09/03/09 14:30:10 LAYOFF ANDLY SHOW YOU A COMPANY
09/03/09 14:30:11 OUT OF BUSINESS.
09/03/09 14:30:14 WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SUGGESTION
09/03/09 14:30:16 IS THAT THE ADMINISTRATION HAVE
09/03/09 14:30:18 IN THEIR CAPABILITIES AND THEY
09/03/09 14:30:20 ARE VERY CAPABLE OF DOING THIS
09/03/09 14:30:21 BECAUSE THEY ARE PART
09/03/09 14:30:24 INDIVIDUALS, TO
09/03/09 14:30:26 HAVE SCENARIOS
09/03/09 14:30:29 --SMART INDIVIDUALS, TO HAVE
09/03/09 14:30:32 SCENARIOS, YOU TAKE A
09/03/09 14:30:33 1%, 5%,
09/03/09 14:30:35 3%, 6% CUT IF POSSIBLE.
09/03/09 14:30:36 I KNOW IT IS DIFFICULT BUT WE
09/03/09 14:30:40 ARE
09/03/09 14:30:43 IN
09/03/09 14:30:43 DIFFICULT TIMES.
09/03/09 14:30:44 WE'VE GOT TO START THINKING
09/03/09 14:30:45 OUTSIDE THE BOX.
09/03/09 14:30:47 THESE ARE THE THINGS I WORRY
09/03/09 14:30:47 ABOUT.
09/03/09 14:30:50 BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY
09/03/09 14:30:50 IT IS ABOUT SERVICE.
09/03/09 14:30:53 THAT IS WHAT BEREAVEMENT
09/03/09 14:30:54 IS ALL
09/03/09 14:30:54 ABOUT.
09/03/09 14:30:56 NOT PAINT --THIS IS WHAT
09/03/09 14:30:58 GOVERNMENT IS ALL ABOUT.
09/03/09 14:31:00 NOT PINTING PRETTY PICTURES.
09/03/09 14:31:03 YOU BY --
09/03/09 14:31:05 PAINTING PRETTY
09/03/09 14:31:05 PICTURES.
09/03/09 14:31:06 YOU PAY FOR WITH YOU GET.
09/03/09 14:31:08 I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME KIND
09/03/09 14:31:10 OF A SPREAD SHEET IF THE IS HE
09/03/09 14:31:13 SHARE OWE, THIS HAPPENS, HERE
09/03/09 14:31:13 IS
09/03/09 14:31:15 --SCENARIO, THIS HAPPENS, HERE
09/03/09 14:31:17 IS THREE, FOUR OPTIONS WE MAY
09/03/09 14:31:17 DO.
09/03/09 14:31:20 THIS IS WHAT THE PUBLIC NEEDS
09/03/09 14:31:20 TO LOOK AT.
09/03/09 14:31:21 I UNDERSTAND REVIEW AND
09/03/09 14:31:23 CONVERSATION WE ARE GETTING
09/03/09 14:31:24 ABOUT WHEN DO YOU GET THE
09/03/09 14:31:24 BUDGET.
09/03/09 14:31:25 THAT IS FINE.
09/03/09 14:31:27 I AGREE WITH COUNCIL.
09/03/09 14:31:30 BUT ON THE OTHER SIDE THE
09/03/09 14:31:32 POINTS ARE, THAT WE ARE IN
09/03/09 14:31:33 FINANCIAL TROUBLE.
09/03/09 14:31:35 WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE REVENUES,
09/03/09 14:31:38 OF THE PARKING GARAGE, OVER $4
09/03/09 14:31:41 MILLION, WHEN YOU
09/03/09 14:31:42 LOOK AT
09/03/09 14:31:43 REOCCURRING EXPENSES GOING MUCH
09/03/09 14:31:44 HIGHER THAN WE ARE NOW.
09/03/09 14:31:47 WHEN YOU LOOK AT
09/03/09 14:31:50 THE BUDGET
09/03/09 14:31:51 OF
09/03/09 14:31:54 FUNDING OF THE PENSION, 13-20
09/03/09 14:31:57 IN ONE DEPARTMENT AND 6-10 IN
09/03/09 14:31:57 ANOTHER.
09/03/09 14:31:59 WHEN YOU FACTOR THEM IN, AT THE
09/03/09 14:32:01 END TO HAVE DAY THAT EQUALS
09/03/09 14:32:02 LESS SERVICE SOMEWHERE.
09/03/09 14:32:02 IT HAS TO.
09/03/09 14:32:05 SO WHAT I WOULD
09/03/09 14:32:08 LIKE TO SEE IS
09/03/09 14:32:08 SOME KIND OF PACK WILL
09/03/09 14:32:11 UNDERSTANDING OF THE FACTS.
09/03/09 14:32:14 --FACTUAL UNDERSTANDING OF
09/03/09 14:32:16 THE%S P. THE%S ARE THIS WE ARE
09/03/09 14:32:16 IN TROUBLE.
09/03/09 14:32:18 DID WE CREATE THIS?
09/03/09 14:32:18 NO.
09/03/09 14:32:20 DID WE CREATE LOT OF THINGS?
09/03/09 14:32:21 ARE WE RESPONSIBLE?
09/03/09 14:32:24 WE ARE 100% RESPONSIBLE TO
09/03/09 14:32:26 FIXING THE PROBLEM WE ARE IN.
09/03/09 14:32:27 WITH I WOULD LIKE TO SEW IS HOW
09/03/09 14:32:29 DO WE FIX THIS PROBLEM THIS WE
09/03/09 14:32:30 ARE IN.
09/03/09 14:32:32 --SEE IS HOW DO WE FIX THIS
09/03/09 14:32:34 PROBLEM THIS WE ARE IN.
09/03/09 14:32:36 SOME DEPARTMENTS HAVE BEEN CUT
09/03/09 14:32:36 A LOT.
09/03/09 14:32:38 , OTHERS NOT TOUCHED.
09/03/09 14:32:40 WHERE DO WE GO AND WHERE IN
09/03/09 14:32:42 THIS BUDGET AND COMING BUDGETS
09/03/09 14:32:45 DO WE HAVE ANSWERS TO ALL
09/03/09 14:32:45 THESE
09/03/09 14:32:47 QUESTIONS, PROPOSED BY OUR
09/03/09 14:32:48 BUDGET ADVISORY COMMITTEE WHO
09/03/09 14:32:51 HAS DONE
09/03/09 14:32:53 AN OUTSTANDING JOB.
09/03/09 14:32:54 I WANT TO FIND OUT FOR THE
09/03/09 14:32:57 FUTURE OF THIS CITY WHAT
09/03/09 14:32:59 IS
09/03/09 14:33:01 GOING TO HAPPEN.
09/03/09 14:33:03 THERE HAS GOT TO BE A REPORT
09/03/09 14:33:05 DONE IN COMPARATIVE STUDIES,
09/03/09 14:33:08 WHAT THE PAY SCALES
09/03/09 14:33:09 ARE.
09/03/09 14:33:10 DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS, POSITION
09/03/09 14:33:11 AND COMPARE THEM TO US.
09/03/09 14:33:13 I DON'T WANT TO COMPARE MYSELF
09/03/09 14:33:16 TO SOME BODY
09/03/09 14:33:18 IN MINNESOTA.
09/03/09 14:33:19 OR IBOR CITY.
09/03/09 14:33:19 ANY WHERE.
09/03/09 14:33:21 I WANT TO KNOW WHAT THE FACTS
09/03/09 14:33:21 ARE.
09/03/09 14:33:23 THE ONLY WAY WE ARE GOING TO
09/03/09 14:33:26 GET TO THAT, MADAME CHAIR, IS
09/03/09 14:33:28 ANTICIPATE, WHAT THE REDUCTION
09/03/09 14:33:30 OF REVENUES ARE GOING TO COME
09/03/09 14:33:32 IN, THROUGH SALES TAX
09/03/09 14:33:34 REDUCTIONS, THROUGH PROPERTY
09/03/09 14:33:37 TAX REDUCTION, COMING IN, LOOKS
09/03/09 14:33:40 LIKE $20 MILLION IF I REMEMBER
09/03/09 14:33:42 WHAT THE CHAIRMAN SAID ALONE IN
09/03/09 14:33:42 PROPERTY TAXES.
09/03/09 14:33:44 THAT IS A HUGE AMOUNT.
09/03/09 14:33:47 AND AN ADDITIONAL THREE, FOUR,
09/03/09 14:33:49 FIVE MILLION DOLLARS AND SALES
09/03/09 14:33:50 TAX.
09/03/09 14:33:50 THAT IS $25 MILLION.
09/03/09 14:33:52 HOW WE GOING TO SOLVE THAT
09/03/09 14:33:52 PROBLEM.
09/03/09 14:33:55 THAT IS MY
09/03/09 14:33:57 MAIN CONCERN FOR
09/03/09 14:33:58 TAXPAYERS, WHAT KIND OF SERVICE
09/03/09 14:34:00 ARE WE GOING TO GIVE WITH THOSE
09/03/09 14:34:03 REDUCTIONS AND HOW DO WE
09/03/09 14:34:04 ACCOMPLISH THAT.
09/03/09 14:34:05 >> THANK YOU.
09/03/09 14:34:08 THAT'S GOOD TO LOOK AT THE BIG
09/03/09 14:34:08 PICTURE.
09/03/09 14:34:11 I THINK IT IS GREAT THE
09/03/09 14:34:11 COMMITTEE DID THAT.
09/03/09 14:34:14 I THINK YOU HAD SOME QUESTIONS
09/03/09 14:34:15 FOR ADMINISTRATION BUT BEFORE
09/03/09 14:34:18 WE HEAR THAT I --DOES ANYONE
09/03/09 14:34:21 HAVE QUESTIONS
09/03/09 14:34:23 FOR OUR
09/03/09 14:34:23 COMMITTEE?
09/03/09 14:34:24 NO BODY?
09/03/09 14:34:26 WELL, THANK YOU.
09/03/09 14:34:29 UH I THINK --I
09/03/09 14:34:32 ALWAYS HAVE
09/03/09 14:34:35 QUESTIONS.
09/03/09 14:34:39 I REALLY DON'T --I WAS
09/03/09 14:34:41 BRIEFED YESTERDAY BY MARK AND
09/03/09 14:34:42 KIND OF FOLLOWING ALONG WITH
09/03/09 14:34:42 YOU.
09/03/09 14:34:44 I THINK YOU GAVE REALLY GREAT
09/03/09 14:34:47 SUGGESTIONS AND IT IS GOING TO
09/03/09 14:34:48 BE TOUGH, FIGURING OUT HOW WE
09/03/09 14:34:51 ARE GOING TO CUT OUR
09/03/09 14:34:52 EXPENDITUREBALANCE THE BUDGET
09/03/09 14:34:55 NEXT YEAR AND I THINK THAT YOUR
09/03/09 14:34:58 PROJECTIONS OR YOU KNOW,
09/03/09 14:35:01 SIMILAR TO WHAT BONNIE WISE
09/03/09 14:35:03 HAS
09/03/09 14:35:05 BEEN PROJECTING, AND JUST
09/03/09 14:35:06 APPRECIATE YOUR HELP AND HOPE
09/03/09 14:35:09 YOU WON'T MIND LOOKING AT
09/03/09 14:35:11 THE
09/03/09 14:35:12 BUDGET SUPPLEMENT NEXT.
09/03/09 14:35:14 NO OTHER QUESTIONS?
09/03/09 14:35:16 >> WOULD JUST LIKE TO BRING ONE
09/03/09 14:35:17 MORE POINT MADAME CHAIR.
09/03/09 14:35:20 I AM NOT AN EXPERT IN
09/03/09 14:35:21 HEALTH
09/03/09 14:35:21 INSURANCE.
09/03/09 14:35:24 I AM NOT ADVOCATING WITH GO TO
09/03/09 14:35:25 SINGLE PAYER OR ANYTHING ELSE
09/03/09 14:35:27 LIKE THAT BUT I AM LOOKING AT
09/03/09 14:35:29 DIFFERENT WAYS TO REDUCE THE
09/03/09 14:35:32 COST OF NOT ONLY
09/03/09 14:35:33 THIS CITY'S
09/03/09 14:35:36 HEALTH INSURANCE COST, AND
09/03/09 14:35:36 THE
09/03/09 14:35:39 COST OF THE GOOD EMPLOYEES THAT
09/03/09 14:35:41 WE HAVE AND POSSIBLY CHANGING
09/03/09 14:35:44 IT, YOU KNOW, MANY YEARS AGO,
09/03/09 14:35:47 WE IN THIS CITY STARTED
09/03/09 14:35:49 REALLY
09/03/09 14:35:49 THE HMOs.
09/03/09 14:35:50 CALLED MUTUAL SOCIETIES.
09/03/09 14:35:52 FROM THE TIME YOU WERE BORN TO
09/03/09 14:35:53 THE TIME YOU WERE DIED IT TOOK
09/03/09 14:35:55 CARE OF YOU FOR A CERTAIN
09/03/09 14:35:56 AMOUNT OF MONEY A MONTH.
09/03/09 14:35:58 I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS
09/03/09 14:36:00 EXPLORED SO WE CAN HAVE OUR OWN
09/03/09 14:36:03 CLINIC IN THE CITY
09/03/09 14:36:03 OF TAMPA,
09/03/09 14:36:05 STARTING WITH OUR EMPLOYEES.
09/03/09 14:36:07 IT WOULD BE, I THINK A COST
09/03/09 14:36:10 SAVING AT LEAST A REVIEW IF
09/03/09 14:36:12 THERE IS A POSSIBLE COST SAVING
09/03/09 14:36:14 BECAUSE THAT IS IN THE 30 SOME
09/03/09 14:36:17 MILLION DOLLARS IF I REMEMBER
09/03/09 14:36:17 AND COUNTY OVER $70 MILLION.
09/03/09 14:36:20 WE HAVE TO START LOOKING IN
09/03/09 14:36:23 COOPERATION OF THINGS LIKE THIS
09/03/09 14:36:24 TO REDUCE OUR COST.
09/03/09 14:36:27 WHEN WE DO THAT, REREDUCE
09/03/09 14:36:28 EMPLOYEES COST.
09/03/09 14:36:30 THEY GET A PAY RAISE BECAUSE
09/03/09 14:36:32 THEY ARE PAYING LAST WITH
09/03/09 14:36:32 INSURANCE.
09/03/09 14:36:34 JUST A SUGGESTION.
09/03/09 14:36:37 >> COUNCILMAN
09/03/09 14:36:38 DINGFELDER.
09/03/09 14:36:39 >> THANK YOU.
09/03/09 14:36:42 I HAD SCRIBBLED DOWN ON MY
09/03/09 14:36:44 NOTES ABOUT THESE PARKING
09/03/09 14:36:44 GARAGES.
09/03/09 14:36:47 I CAN'T REMEMBER
09/03/09 14:36:47 SEVERAL
09/03/09 14:36:48 MILLION DOLLARS DEFICIT IT IS
09/03/09 14:36:50 ONLY GOING TO GET WORSE.
09/03/09 14:36:52 WE TALKED ABOUT THIS, I KNOW WE
09/03/09 14:36:53 TALKED ABOUT THIS IN THE PAST
09/03/09 14:36:55 BECAUSE WE DID SEE THIS COMING.
09/03/09 14:36:57 I SEE MARK, IN THE AUDIENCE I
09/03/09 14:37:00 DON'T WANT THYME FALL OUT OF
09/03/09 14:37:03 HIS CHAIR --WANT HIM TO FALL
09/03/09 14:37:03 OUT OF HIS CHAIR.
09/03/09 14:37:06 WE HAVE TWO PARKING
09/03/09 14:37:08 GARAGES IN
09/03/09 14:37:11 IBOR CITY THERE TO
09/03/09 14:37:11 ENCOURAGE
09/03/09 14:37:11 ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
09/03/09 14:37:13 BUILT BY THE LAST
09/03/09 14:37:13 ADMINISTRATION.
09/03/09 14:37:16 WE HAVE A PARKING
09/03/09 14:37:17 GARAGE OVER
09/03/09 14:37:21 HERE NEXT TO THE LIGHTNING
09/03/09 14:37:25 --
09/03/09 14:37:26 ST. PETE'S FACILITY MARRIOTT
09/03/09 14:37:29 THAT IS THERE FOR THE SAME
09/03/09 14:37:30 TYPE
09/03/09 14:37:31 OF ECONOMIC REDEVELOPMENT.
09/03/09 14:37:34 I CAN'T HELP
09/03/09 14:37:36 BUT WONDER, WHY WE
09/03/09 14:37:39 WOULDN'T SELL ONE OR PART OF OR
09/03/09 14:37:42 ALL THREE OF THOSE GARAGES
09/03/09 14:37:42 TO
09/03/09 14:37:43 THE CRA.
09/03/09 14:37:46 NOW I DON'T WANT TO
09/03/09 14:37:46 BANKRUPT IS
09/03/09 14:37:47 CRAs.
09/03/09 14:37:50 I KNOW THEY HAVE LIMITED
09/03/09 14:37:52 BUDGETS BUT TO ME THEY SATISFY
09/03/09 14:37:55 A VERY SIGNIFICANT PART OF CRA.
09/03/09 14:37:57 I DON'T EVEN WANT AN ANSWER
09/03/09 14:37:59 TODAY MARK THAT WOULD INVOLVE A
09/03/09 14:38:00 KNEE JERK RESPONSE.
09/03/09 14:38:01 I DON'T WANT THAT.
09/03/09 14:38:03 THANK YOU FOR YOUR OFFER [
09/03/09 14:38:03 LAUGHTER ]
09/03/09 14:38:05 >> BUT I THINK IT IS SOMETHING
09/03/09 14:38:08 WE REALLY NEED TO
09/03/09 14:38:08 DELIBERATE
09/03/09 14:38:10 ABOUT AND HOPEFULLY MAYBE WE
09/03/09 14:38:12 WILL ALL HAVE OUR OWN
09/03/09 14:38:14 CONVERSATIONS WITH THE MAYOR
09/03/09 14:38:14 ABOUT INDIVIDUALLY.
09/03/09 14:38:17 BECAUSE IF WE CAN DO THAT --
09/03/09 14:38:19 NOW THE CRAs ARE NOT IN A
09/03/09 14:38:21 POSITION TO DO THAT.
09/03/09 14:38:23 MAYBE WE WOULD LOOK TO THE
09/03/09 14:38:27 PRIVATE SECTOR TO DO
09/03/09 14:38:27 THAT.
09/03/09 14:38:30 WE SOLD TAMPA GENERAL HOSPITAL
09/03/09 14:38:31 GARAGE TO TAMPA GENERAL.
09/03/09 14:38:33 WE MADE MONEY ON THAT AND GOT
09/03/09 14:38:36 RID OF A GARAGE THAT
09/03/09 14:38:36 DIDN'T
09/03/09 14:38:39 MAKE SENSE FOR THE CITY TO
09/03/09 14:38:39 HAVE.
09/03/09 14:38:42 MAYBE WE CAN LOOK HERE BETWEEN
09/03/09 14:38:45 THE MARRIOTT AND
09/03/09 14:38:45 THE LIGHTNING.
09/03/09 14:38:47 NO MANY CITY EMPLOYEES WOULD
09/03/09 14:38:49 PARK THERE AND WALK DOWNTOWN.
09/03/09 14:38:52 THAT IS BUILT BASICALLY FOR
09/03/09 14:38:52 THE
09/03/09 14:38:52 HOTELARENA.
09/03/09 14:38:55 WHY DON'T WE TRY
09/03/09 14:38:58 TODAY VEST
09/03/09 14:38:58 OURSELVES OF THAT GARAGES
09/03/09 14:39:01 PERSONALLY IF IT HAS A BIG
09/03/09 14:39:02 PAYMENT WHICH I AM SURE IT
09/03/09 14:39:02 DOES.
09/03/09 14:39:04 THAT IS NOT AN ISSUE FOR THIS
09/03/09 14:39:07 MONTH BUT IT IS DEFINITELY AN
09/03/09 14:39:09 ISSUE FOR NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET
09/03/09 14:39:11 AND OVER THE NEXT YEAR.
09/03/09 14:39:14 THE REASON I MENTION THE
09/03/09 14:39:15 CITIZEN'S COMMITTEE BECAUSE
09/03/09 14:39:17 THEY MENTION THAT AS ONE OF
09/03/09 14:39:18 THEIR SUGGESTIONS TOO.
09/03/09 14:39:19 I DIDN'T REALIZE WE WERE GOING
09/03/09 14:39:22 THE LINE UP LIKE THAT BUT SAW
09/03/09 14:39:23 IT ON THEIR SUGGESTIONS.
09/03/09 14:39:24 I COMMEND YOU GUYS FOR TALKING
09/03/09 14:39:27 ABOUT THIS AS WELL.
09/03/09 14:39:29 >> COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
09/03/09 14:39:30 >> THANK YOU.
09/03/09 14:39:33 I AM NOT TRYING TO
09/03/09 14:39:35 START A
09/03/09 14:39:35 DEBATE.
09/03/09 14:39:37 THE PARKING GARAGE AT TAMPA
09/03/09 14:39:38 GENERAL WAS POSITIVE.
09/03/09 14:39:41 >> WAS OR WASN'T?
09/03/09 14:39:41 >> WAS.
09/03/09 14:39:43 HOWEVER, I AGREE WITH WHAT YOU
09/03/09 14:39:44 ARE SAYING MR. DINGFELDER.
09/03/09 14:39:46 IN PART, WHEN YOU LOOK AT
09/03/09 14:39:47 REVENUE STREAMED FROM OTHER
09/03/09 14:39:50 GARAGES, WE THE GOVERNMENT
09/03/09 14:39:51 GAVE
09/03/09 14:39:53 AWAY THE TAXPAYERS MONEY TO THE
09/03/09 14:39:53 SPORTS VENTURES.
09/03/09 14:39:56 THAT IS WHAT WE DID.
09/03/09 14:39:57 AND THAT IS WHY WE --I DON'T
09/03/09 14:40:00 REMEMBER ALL THE DETAILS.
09/03/09 14:40:02 I REMEMBER AFTER 6:00 ON A
09/03/09 14:40:03 CERTAIN DAY DEPENDING ON WHAT
09/03/09 14:40:05 SIDE OF THE STREET YOU ARE ON,
09/03/09 14:40:07 ALL THAT REVENUE GOES TO THEM.
09/03/09 14:40:09 I AM LAUGHING BECAUSE I WANT TO
09/03/09 14:40:10 CRY.
09/03/09 14:40:11 WE GAVE IT AWAY.
09/03/09 14:40:15 AND NOW, MAYBE, IT
09/03/09 14:40:15 ISEN
09/03/09 14:40:16 OPPORTUNITY TO RENEGOTIATE WHEN
09/03/09 14:40:18 SOMETHING IS BROUGHT UP TO US
09/03/09 14:40:19 IN GOVERNMENT THAT SOMEBODY
09/03/09 14:40:22 ELSE WANTS THAT HAS
09/03/09 14:40:25 A HAND
09/03/09 14:40:27 OUT
09/03/09 14:40:28 FOR THOSE PARKING DOLLARS.
09/03/09 14:40:30 THERE IS OPPORTUNITIES HERE BUT
09/03/09 14:40:31 AT LEAST OPPORTUNITIES WHERE WE
09/03/09 14:40:34 CAN COME UP AND DISCUSS
09/03/09 14:40:35 THIS ON
09/03/09 14:40:36 A VERY CIVILIZED MANNER.
09/03/09 14:40:38 WE ARE GIVING AWAY.
09/03/09 14:40:41 I FORGET WHAT THE
09/03/09 14:40:41 FIGURES ARE
09/03/09 14:40:45 BUT $600,000 AT ONE TIME.
09/03/09 14:40:47 I AM NOT CERTAIN ON THE
09/03/09 14:40:47 FIGURES.
09/03/09 14:40:49 IF MY MEMORY SERVES ME CORRECT
09/03/09 14:40:51 THERE IS A LARGE AMOUNT OF
09/03/09 14:40:52 MONEY COMING OUT.
09/03/09 14:40:55 WE HAVE THAT MONEY COMING BACK
09/03/09 14:40:58 IN, WE MAY NOT HAVE A DEFICIT
09/03/09 14:40:58 IN PARKING.
09/03/09 14:41:00 >> COUNCIL WOMAN SAUL-SENA.
09/03/09 14:41:01 >>>I WILL A QUESTION FOR BONNIE
09/03/09 14:41:04 ABOUT THE PENSION FUNDS :
09/03/09 14:41:05 CERTAINLY NO BODY'S INVESTMENTS
09/03/09 14:41:07 HAVE BEEN PERFORMING IN A VERY
09/03/09 14:41:10 PLEASING WAY BUT IS THERE ANY
09/03/09 14:41:13 --ARE
09/03/09 14:41:16 WE ACTIVELY EXPLORING
09/03/09 14:41:19 EVERY WAY POSSIBLE TO
09/03/09 14:41:20 MEET THE
09/03/09 14:41:23 BASE OBLIGATIONS, I KNOW THIS
09/03/09 14:41:26 IS AN ISSUE NATIONALLY,
09/03/09 14:41:26 ARE WE
09/03/09 14:41:28 DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN.
09/03/09 14:41:30 IS THERE ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO
09/03/09 14:41:32 MAKE THE PENSION FUNDS REFLECT
09/03/09 14:41:33 WHAT THE MARKETS ARE DOING
09/03/09 14:41:35 RATHER THAN OUR PREVIOUS
09/03/09 14:41:36 COMMITMENTS TO THEM?
09/03/09 14:41:38 IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE WE CAN
09/03/09 14:41:38 DO?
09/03/09 14:41:40 >> WELL, I THINK WE ARE DOING
09/03/09 14:41:42 EVERYTHING BUT THAT DOESN'T
09/03/09 14:41:43 MEAN IN THESE TIMES YOU STILL
09/03/09 14:41:45 NEED TO DO WHATEVER YOU CAN.
09/03/09 14:41:47 THE PENSION OBLIGATION THAT THE
09/03/09 14:41:49 CITY HAS AND THAT SOME OF THE
09/03/09 14:41:50 MEMBERS, POLICE AND FIRE
09/03/09 14:41:52 SPECIFICALLY PAY INTO THE
09/03/09 14:41:54 PENSION SYSTEM, IS BASED ON
09/03/09 14:41:54 MANY THINGS.
09/03/09 14:41:56 THEY DO THE ACTUARIAL ANALYSIS
09/03/09 14:41:58 EACH YEAR AND OF COURSE LAST
09/03/09 14:42:01 YEAR WAS A VERY BAD YEAR IN THE
09/03/09 14:42:01 MARKET.
09/03/09 14:42:02 THIS YEAR TO DATE HAS BEEN
09/03/09 14:42:05 BETTER BUT THE PROBLEM IS THAT
09/03/09 14:42:07 SO MUCH WAS LOST LAST YEAR THAT
09/03/09 14:42:09 WE WILL BE SPENDING THE NEXT 5
09/03/09 14:42:10 YEARS MAKING THAT UP.
09/03/09 14:42:12 WITH THE INCREASE THAT WE'VE
09/03/09 14:42:14 HAD THIS YEAR, THAT WILL OF
09/03/09 14:42:17 COURSE HELP OVER THE NEXT
09/03/09 14:42:18 SEVERAL YEAR PERIOD.
09/03/09 14:42:20 BUT JUST AS A LOSS IS COVERED
09/03/09 14:42:21 OVER A 5 YEAR PERIOD.
09/03/09 14:42:23 THE INCREASES ARE SPREAD OUT
09/03/09 14:42:25 OVER A 5 YEAR PERIOD TOO.
09/03/09 14:42:27 THAT IS TO HELP LEVEL OUT THE
09/03/09 14:42:27 PAYMENT.
09/03/09 14:42:30 WE DO EXPECT THE INCREASE AS I
09/03/09 14:42:33 WOULD COMPLETELY AGREE WITH THE
09/03/09 14:42:34 COMMITTEE, WE EXPECT THE
09/03/09 14:42:37 COMMITMENT TO LEVEL OFF OR
09/03/09 14:42:38 INCREASE NOT REALLY DECREASE.
09/03/09 14:42:40 OR NOT MATERIALLY ANY WAY.
09/03/09 14:42:43 AS FAR AS DIVERSE FYING THAT,
09/03/09 14:42:43 WE LOOK INTO.
09/03/09 14:42:46 THE OTHER THING THE PENSION
09/03/09 14:42:48 FUND IS BASED ON, FUTURE
09/03/09 14:42:49 OBLIGATIONS OF THE FUND.
09/03/09 14:42:51 THAT MEANS HOW LONG PEOPLE
09/03/09 14:42:54 WORK, HOW LONG PEOPLE LIV,
09/03/09 14:42:57 WHAT
09/03/09 14:42:57 THEIR PAY IS.
09/03/09 14:43:00 THE SINGLE DRIVING FORCES OF
09/03/09 14:43:02 THE ACTUARIAL ANALYSIS
09/03/09 14:43:05 FUNDAMENTAL TO A
09/03/09 14:43:07 PENSION
09/03/09 14:43:07 ANALYSIS.
09/03/09 14:43:10 ALL THESE THINGS
09/03/09 14:43:11 ALSO IMPACTS
09/03/09 14:43:12 OUR FUTURE PAYMENT TO THESE
09/03/09 14:43:14 PEOPLE FOR PENSION OBLIGATIONS.
09/03/09 14:43:16 SO IT IS ALL RELATED.
09/03/09 14:43:18 SO IT IS NOT ANYONE THING THAT
09/03/09 14:43:21 GOES INTO THEIR ANALYSIS.
09/03/09 14:43:23 I KNOW I SIT ON THE GE PENSION
09/03/09 14:43:23 BOARD.
09/03/09 14:43:25 I KNOW THE F AND P PENSION
09/03/09 14:43:27 BOARD IS GOING THROUGH THE SAME
09/03/09 14:43:27 ANALYSIS.
09/03/09 14:43:28 DO YOU HAVE THE RIGHT ASSET
09/03/09 14:43:28 MIX.
09/03/09 14:43:31 I MEAN I THINK THOSE ARE ALL
09/03/09 14:43:33 THINGS PENSION FUNDS --AGREE
09/03/09 14:43:35 WITH YOU, ACROSS THE NATION ARE
09/03/09 14:43:36 ANALYZING.
09/03/09 14:43:38 ARE THEY YOU KNOW JUST HOW TO
09/03/09 14:43:38 INVEST YOUR FUNDS.
09/03/09 14:43:42 SO IT IS A LONG WINDED ANSWER
09/03/09 14:43:44 TO WE ARE TRYING TO DO AS MUCH
09/03/09 14:43:46 AS WE CAN.
09/03/09 14:43:49 I KNOW AT THE GE LEVEL SO
09/03/09 14:43:50 MUCH
09/03/09 14:43:52 IS BEING DONE.
09/03/09 14:43:55 >> YOU DON'T HAVE A ROLE ON THE
09/03/09 14:43:57 FIRE AND POLICE PENSION BOARD.
09/03/09 14:43:58 >>>I WILL DON'T.
09/03/09 14:43:58 CORRECT.
09/03/09 14:44:00 >> AND THAT PERFORMED I BELIEVE
09/03/09 14:44:03 LESS WELL --
09/03/09 14:44:03 >> PARDON?
09/03/09 14:44:05 >> THAT PENSION FUND PERFORMED
09/03/09 14:44:08 LESS WELL THAN OUR GENERAL
09/03/09 14:44:08 EMPLOYEE PENSION FUND.
09/03/09 14:44:11 >> THEY HAVE DIFFERENT YEARS.
09/03/09 14:44:13 GE FUND IS A CALENDAR YEAR AND
09/03/09 14:44:16 THE OTHER IS ON A FISCAL YEAR.
09/03/09 14:44:18 LAST YEAR F AND P PERFORMED
09/03/09 14:44:18 WORSE.
09/03/09 14:44:21 THERE ARE PRIOR YEARS HOWEVER
09/03/09 14:44:24 WHERE THEY PERFORMED BETTER.
09/03/09 14:44:27 SO IT REALLY JUST DEPENDS
09/03/09 14:44:29 ON
09/03/09 14:44:29 THE YEAR.
09/03/09 14:44:30 >> YEAH.
09/03/09 14:44:32 THE PENSION FUNDS, IT WAS
09/03/09 14:44:33 BECAUSE THEY WERE DEPENDENT ON
09/03/09 14:44:35 THE MARKET THEY LOST SO MUCH
09/03/09 14:44:38 MONEY ESPECIALLY THE FIRE AND
09/03/09 14:44:40 POLICE WERE 70% OR SOMETHING
09/03/09 14:44:43 INVESTED IN EQUITIES
09/03/09 14:44:44 AND THEY
09/03/09 14:44:47 WAITED, WHERE AS THE GENERAL
09/03/09 14:44:50 EMPLOYEES PENSION FUND HAD
09/03/09 14:44:51 ASSET ALLOCATION THAT WAS MORE
09/03/09 14:44:53 CONSERVATIVE AND THEY DIDN'T
09/03/09 14:44:56 HAVE IT ALL IN THE MARKET.
09/03/09 14:44:58 THE FIRE AND POLICE LOST ALMOST
09/03/09 14:44:59 A BILLION DOLLARS, THEY'VE
09/03/09 14:45:02 GAINED A LOT OF IT BACK BECAUSE
09/03/09 14:45:03 THE MARKET RECOVERED, BUT I
09/03/09 14:45:05 HAVE TO SAY THIS BECAUSE I HAVE
09/03/09 14:45:07 BEEN TALKING ABOUT IT AND IT
09/03/09 14:45:10 HAS BEEN WRITTEN ABOUT, BUT THE
09/03/09 14:45:13 POLICE AND FIRE PENSION BOARD
09/03/09 14:45:14 CONSISTS OF THREE POLICEMEN,
09/03/09 14:45:16 THREE FIRE MEN, AND THREE CITY
09/03/09 14:45:19 EMPLOYEES AMOUNTED BY THE
09/03/09 14:45:20 MAYOR.
09/03/09 14:45:22 AND I THINK THAT IT'S SOMETHING
09/03/09 14:45:23 THEY SHOULD ALL FEEL
09/03/09 14:45:26 RESPONSIBILITY TO LOOK AT THAT
09/03/09 14:45:27 ASSET ALLOCATION BECAUSE WHERE
09/03/09 14:45:30 AS I THINK BONNIE, THE
09/03/09 14:45:30 GENERAL
09/03/09 14:45:32 EMPLOYEES ARE REQUIRED TO BY
09/03/09 14:45:34 STATUTE TO HAVE A CERTAIN LIMIT
09/03/09 14:45:37 ON HOW MUCH YOU CAN
09/03/09 14:45:38 PUT IN
09/03/09 14:45:38 STOCKS, IS THAT RIGHT?
09/03/09 14:45:41 >> WE HAVE OUR INVESTMENT
09/03/09 14:45:41 POLICY.
09/03/09 14:45:43 WE HAVE A MIX BUT IN FAIRNESS
09/03/09 14:45:45 TO THE F AND P THESE ARE PEOPLE
09/03/09 14:45:48 WHO HAVE MANY OF THEM THEIR
09/03/09 14:45:51 PENSION CERTIFICATES AND
09/03/09 14:45:51 DO
09/03/09 14:45:54 TAKE THEIR IF HE DOUCHE AREA
09/03/09 14:45:57 JOBS SERIOUSLY
09/03/09 14:45:58 --FIDUCIARY JOBS SERIOUSLY.
09/03/09 14:46:00 I DON'T WANT ANYONE TO THINK
09/03/09 14:46:02 THEY ARE NOT TAKING THEM
09/03/09 14:46:02 SERIOUSLY.
09/03/09 14:46:04 >>>I WILL AM NOT SAYING THAT AT
09/03/09 14:46:04 ALL.
09/03/09 14:46:06 THEIR MANAGER HAD A LOT AND
09/03/09 14:46:08 TRUSTED HIM AND THEY HAVE DONE
09/03/09 14:46:08 WELL.
09/03/09 14:46:11 BUT WHEN THEY HAD SUCH A
09/03/09 14:46:12 LARGE
09/03/09 14:46:13 ALLOCATION IN STOCKS, CERTAINLY
09/03/09 14:46:16 WASN'T A GOOD IDEA IN THE
09/03/09 14:46:17 LAST
09/03/09 14:46:17 COUPLE OF YEARS.
09/03/09 14:46:20 WE TRUST OUR
09/03/09 14:46:21 FINANCIAL ADVISORS
09/03/09 14:46:23 AND I JUST THINK BOARD NEEDS A
09/03/09 14:46:26 LITTLE
09/03/09 14:46:27 MORE OVERSIGHT.
09/03/09 14:46:28 >> BONNIE, TWO THINGS.
09/03/09 14:46:30 WE HAVE BOTH CHIEFS BEHIND US.
09/03/09 14:46:32 THEY HAVE TOLD ME THEY ARE
09/03/09 14:46:33 GOING TO GO AHEAD AND KEEP
09/03/09 14:46:35 WORKING FOR ANOTHER 10 YEARS.
09/03/09 14:46:37 JUST A JOKE.
09/03/09 14:46:38 >> OH, NO.
09/03/09 14:46:41 >> NO, BUT IN
09/03/09 14:46:43 ALL SERIOUSNESS,
09/03/09 14:46:43 TWO THINGS.
09/03/09 14:46:45 ONE, IT IS A DOUBLE EDGED
09/03/09 14:46:45 SWORD.
09/03/09 14:46:48 I WOULD THINK IF THE
09/03/09 14:46:50 POLICE AND
09/03/09 14:46:52 FIRE MADE A POLICY AND SAID
09/03/09 14:46:55 THEY WERE GOING TO TAKE A MUCH
09/03/09 14:46:56 MORE CONSERVATIVE APPROACH THEN
09/03/09 14:46:58 I WOULD BET OUR CONTRIBUTION
09/03/09 14:47:00 MIGHT JUMP UP MORE BECAUSE THE
09/03/09 14:47:02 ASSUMPTIONS MIGHT BE DIFFERENT.
09/03/09 14:47:05 THAT IS A GUESS ON MY PART
09/03/09 14:47:05 BUT
09/03/09 14:47:06 SEEMS A LOGICAL NEXUS.
09/03/09 14:47:07 >> YES.
09/03/09 14:47:08 >> WHICH FRANKLY I DON'T THINK
09/03/09 14:47:10 ANY OF US WANT.
09/03/09 14:47:11 MY QUESTION IS THIS, THE FIVE
09/03/09 14:47:14 YEARS YOU ARE REFERRING TO,
09/03/09 14:47:14 IS
09/03/09 14:47:16 THAT FEDERALLY MANDATED, THE
09/03/09 14:47:19 SPREAD WOULD BE 5 YEARS OR
09/03/09 14:47:21 PERHAPS SPREAD THOSE LOSSES AND
09/03/09 14:47:24 GAINS OVER A
09/03/09 14:47:26 LONGER PERIOD OF 7
09/03/09 14:47:29 YEARS
09/03/09 14:47:32 OR 8
09/03/09 14:47:32 YEARS.
09/03/09 14:47:34 >> BODY GOVERNS THAT.
09/03/09 14:47:35 >> WELL, SOME PLACE DOES.
09/03/09 14:47:37 DROP US A MEMO AND LET US KNOW.
09/03/09 14:47:39 >> CAN I FIND OUT.
09/03/09 14:47:40 >> IF THERE IS FLEXIBILITY AND
09/03/09 14:47:42 ANY ADVANTAGE TO LOOKING AT
09/03/09 14:47:44 GOING A LITTLE BIT LONGER, THEN
09/03/09 14:47:46 MAYBE THAT IS SOMETHING WE CAN
09/03/09 14:47:46 LOOK AT.
09/03/09 14:47:47 >>>I WILL WILL LOOK INTO IT.
09/03/09 14:47:50 I DON'T WANT THE GIVE YOU GREAT
09/03/09 14:47:53 HOPE WE HAVE THAT
09/03/09 14:47:54 ABILITY
09/03/09 14:47:54 HOWEVER.
09/03/09 14:47:55 >> THANK YOU.
09/03/09 14:47:58 >> DO YOU LIKE THAT
09/03/09 14:47:58 IDEA?
09/03/09 14:47:59 10 YEARS MORE.
09/03/09 14:48:02 >> YEAH, A COUPLE
09/03/09 14:48:05 QUESTIONS
09/03/09 14:48:09 MISS WISE.
09/03/09 14:48:10 ONE IS, MAYBE YOU CAN TELL ME
09/03/09 14:48:12 WHERE IT IS IN THE BUDGET.
09/03/09 14:48:14 WHEN PERSON'S RETIRE THEY HAVE
09/03/09 14:48:17 A PAY OUT, VACATION DAYS, SICK
09/03/09 14:48:17 DAYS.
09/03/09 14:48:19 IS THAT NUMBER IN THE BUDGET?
09/03/09 14:48:22 CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT
09/03/09 14:48:23 THE NUMBER
09/03/09 14:48:24 IS?
09/03/09 14:48:25 >> OFF HAND, NO.
09/03/09 14:48:25 >> HMM.
09/03/09 14:48:28 I DIDN'T HEAR YOU.
09/03/09 14:48:28 SORRY.
09/03/09 14:48:31 >> NO, OFF HAND I DON'T KNOW
09/03/09 14:48:34 WHAT THAT
09/03/09 14:48:36 NUMBER IS.
09/03/09 14:48:37 >> OKAY.
09/03/09 14:48:38 >> COUNCILMAN SAUL-SENA.
09/03/09 14:48:39 >> WELL, LET ME.
09/03/09 14:48:42 >> IF I CAN MAYBE COME BACK UP.
09/03/09 14:48:44 >> THEY ARE CONFERRING.
09/03/09 14:48:44 >> OKAY.
09/03/09 14:48:45 THE OTHER THING --THE OTHER
09/03/09 14:48:47 QUESTION I WANT TO RAISE, THIS
09/03/09 14:48:50 I KNOW IN
09/03/09 14:48:53 LAST YEAR'S
09/03/09 14:48:53 BUDGET IT
09/03/09 14:48:56 MAY NOT BE IN IT THIS TIME,
09/03/09 14:48:59 UNDER THE GENERAL
09/03/09 14:48:59 FUND, UNDER
09/03/09 14:49:01 DEPARTMENTAL DETAILS, THERE WAS
09/03/09 14:49:04 A LINE ITEM FOR $6.5 MILLION
09/03/09 14:49:06 FOR SUPER VICARY MANAGER OF
09/03/09 14:49:06 STAFF.
09/03/09 14:49:08 IS THAT IN THIS BUDGET?
09/03/09 14:49:10 >> NO, BECAUSE THAT ITEM IS
09/03/09 14:49:13 ZERO IN THIS BUDGET
09/03/09 14:49:14 BECAUSE
09/03/09 14:49:16 THAT IS THE PAY RAISES FOR
09/03/09 14:49:19 STAFF FOR THAT
09/03/09 14:49:20 PRIOR YEAR.
09/03/09 14:49:22 AS REWE TALKED ABOUT A LOT,
09/03/09 14:49:25 THIS IS BASED ON NO COST
09/03/09 14:49:26 OF
09/03/09 14:49:27 LIVING INCREASE AND NO MINT
09/03/09 14:49:27 CREASE.
09/03/09 14:49:30 IF YOU LOOK AT THE --
09/03/09 14:49:31 MERIT
09/03/09 14:49:31 INCREASE.
09/03/09 14:49:33 IF YOU LOOK AT THAT PAGE IN THE
09/03/09 14:49:34 BUDGET THAT LINE DOESN'T EXIST
09/03/09 14:49:37 BECAUSE IT DOESN'T EXIST.
09/03/09 14:49:37 >> RIGHT.
09/03/09 14:49:40 >> THAT IS WHY IT IS NOT
09/03/09 14:49:42 THERE.
09/03/09 14:49:43 ZERO.
09/03/09 14:49:45 >> THANK YOU.
09/03/09 14:49:48 >> I GUESS AN ANSWER TO
09/03/09 14:49:48 THAT
09/03/09 14:49:49 QUESTION --
09/03/09 14:49:52 >> I THOUGHT FIRST OF ALL OUT
09/03/09 14:49:54 OF THE BOX IDEAS ARE VERY
09/03/09 14:49:57 APPROPRIATE
09/03/09 14:49:57 GIVEN OUR
09/03/09 14:49:58 CONSTRAINTS.
09/03/09 14:49:59 CAFETERIA STYLE BENEFIT
09/03/09 14:50:01 PACKAGES ARE A GOOD IDEA
09/03/09 14:50:04 BECAUSE CITY EMPLOYEES ARE IN
09/03/09 14:50:04 DIFFERENT LIFE SITUATIONS.
09/03/09 14:50:06 I DON'T KNOW IF IT MIGHT SAVE
09/03/09 14:50:09 MONEY BUT MIGHT
09/03/09 14:50:10 GIVE EMPLOYEES
09/03/09 14:50:11 BENEFITS MORE AKIN TO WHAT THEY
09/03/09 14:50:12 MIGHT WANT TO SEE.
09/03/09 14:50:15 IS THIS SOMETHING YOU ALL HAVE
09/03/09 14:50:16 CONSIDERED?
09/03/09 14:50:19 >>>I WILL DON'T REALLY KNOW.
09/03/09 14:50:21 PROBABLY KIMBERLY CRUMB WOULD
09/03/09 14:50:23 BE THE BETTER PERSON.
09/03/09 14:50:25 WE ARE LOOKING AT ALL OUR
09/03/09 14:50:26 BENEFITS.
09/03/09 14:50:28 I WOULD AGREE IT IS THE TIME TO
09/03/09 14:50:29 CONSIDER EVERYTHING.
09/03/09 14:50:32 ARE WE GETTING THE MOST BANG
09/03/09 14:50:33 FOR THE BUCK.
09/03/09 14:50:33 >> EXACTLY.
09/03/09 14:50:35 SOME PEOPLE HAVE SPOUSES WITH
09/03/09 14:50:37 HEALTH BENEFITS BUT MIGHT NEED
09/03/09 14:50:40 SOMETHING ELSE
09/03/09 14:50:43 WE
09/03/09 14:50:49 COULD PROVIDE.
09/03/09 14:50:51 >> I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT I
09/03/09 14:50:54 AGREE WITH THE
09/03/09 14:50:54 COMMITTEES
09/03/09 14:50:55 OVERALL CONTEST.
09/03/09 14:50:57 I MEAN 2011, BECAUSE OF
09/03/09 14:50:59 PROPERTY TAXSALES TAX AND A LOT
09/03/09 14:51:00 OF THINGS THEY MENTION IS GOING
09/03/09 14:51:03 TO BE YOU KNOW A
09/03/09 14:51:03 GREATER
09/03/09 14:51:03 CHALLENGE.
09/03/09 14:51:06 >> WHILE YOU ARE THERE CAN I
09/03/09 14:51:08 JUST ASK ONE MORE QUESTION.
09/03/09 14:51:11 THEIR IDEA ABOUT TRYING
09/03/09 14:51:13 TO
09/03/09 14:51:14 MAINTAIN, CITY EMPLOYEES, BY
09/03/09 14:51:16 HAVING PEOPLE TAKE FURLOUGHS OR
09/03/09 14:51:18 BECOMING PART-TIME OR SOMETHING
09/03/09 14:51:19 JUST SO IT WON'T WORK FOR
09/03/09 14:51:21 EVERYBODY BECAUSE IF IT MEANS
09/03/09 14:51:24 WE CAN KEEP THEM AS PART OF THE
09/03/09 14:51:26 CITY FAMILY, I SAVE SOME MONEY
09/03/09 14:51:28 AND THEN HOPEFULLY WHEN THINGS
09/03/09 14:51:30 ARE BETTER, PUT THEM ON AT
09/03/09 14:51:32 THEIR PREVIOUS LEVEL OF HOURS.
09/03/09 14:51:34 IS THAT ANYTHING YOU ALL REALLY
09/03/09 14:51:35 TALKED ABOUT?
09/03/09 14:51:37 >> I WILL TELL YOU WE HAVE
09/03/09 14:51:38 SPOKEN ABOUT PART-TIME ALREADY.
09/03/09 14:51:42 WE DO HAVE SEVERAL EM
09/03/09 14:51:42 EMPLOYERS
09/03/09 14:51:42 ALREADY PART-TIME.
09/03/09 14:51:44 I MENTIONED TO YOU IN THE
09/03/09 14:51:46 POSSESSION OF MINE, CASHIER
09/03/09 14:51:47 WHERE I HAVE TWO PART-TIME
09/03/09 14:51:49 RATHER THAN ONE FULL TIME.
09/03/09 14:51:51 MAYBE WE DON'T NEED THEM 40
09/03/09 14:51:54 HOURS A WEEK.
09/03/09 14:51:57 BRING THEM IN FOR PEAK
09/03/09 14:51:57 HOURS.
09/03/09 14:51:59 DEPARTMENTS ARE ALREADY DOING
09/03/09 14:52:00 THAT SAME THING BUT WE DON'T
09/03/09 14:52:02 REALIZE BECAUSE IT IS
09/03/09 14:52:03 DEPARTMENT SPECIFIC LEVEL.
09/03/09 14:52:05 ANYTHING REGARDING PAY, HOURS,
09/03/09 14:52:08 FURLOUGHS WOULD BE PART
09/03/09 14:52:09 OF
09/03/09 14:52:09 UNION NEGOTIATIONS.
09/03/09 14:52:11 FIRST THINGS FIRST, FISCAL YEAR
09/03/09 14:52:14 10 BASED ON
09/03/09 14:52:15 NO PAY INCREASES.
09/03/09 14:52:17 THE TASK BEFORE US NOW.
09/03/09 14:52:19 AND THEN NEXT YEAR WE WILL
09/03/09 14:52:20 APPROACH NEXT YEAR.
09/03/09 14:52:21 >> THANK YOU.
09/03/09 14:52:23 >> I WANT TO ASK ONE LAST
09/03/09 14:52:25 QUESTION THEN WE CAN I THINK
09/03/09 14:52:28 MOVE ON TO THE REPORT
09/03/09 14:52:31 ON
09/03/09 14:52:35 THE
09/03/09 14:52:37 FLEET SURVEY, MARK MENTIONED
09/03/09 14:52:39 DOING A SALARY SURVEY.
09/03/09 14:52:42 I REMEMBER IN 2005 OR 2006
09/03/09 14:52:44 THERE WAS A SALARY SURVEY.
09/03/09 14:52:47 I DON'T THINK IT WAS
09/03/09 14:52:47 IMPLEMENTED WHICH IS
09/03/09 14:52:49 INTERESTING SINCE WE ARE GOING
09/03/09 14:52:51 TO HEAR ABOUT ANOTHER SURVEY
09/03/09 14:52:54 THAT HAS GREAT COST SAVING
09/03/09 14:52:54 POSSIBILITIES TODAY.
09/03/09 14:52:57 DO YOU KNOW WHATEVER HAPPENED
09/03/09 14:52:57 WITH THAT?
09/03/09 14:52:58 >>>I WILL LET DARYL SPEAK TO
09/03/09 14:52:59 THAT.
09/03/09 14:53:02 THERE WAS A
09/03/09 14:53:04 SALARY SURVEY DONE.
09/03/09 14:53:06 I KNOW THAT STARTING POSITION
09/03/09 14:53:08 HAD GRADE CHANGES ASSOCIATED
09/03/09 14:53:08 WITH IT.
09/03/09 14:53:11 TO SAY IT WASN'T ADOPTED, BUT I
09/03/09 14:53:13 WILL LET DARYL SPEAK MORE
09/03/09 14:53:13 SPECIFICALLY.
09/03/09 14:53:15 >> THE OTHER THING ON THE SAME
09/03/09 14:53:18 LINES, I KNOW WE
09/03/09 14:53:19 HAVE OUR
09/03/09 14:53:22 CONTRACT OBLIGATIONS WITH
09/03/09 14:53:22 THE
09/03/09 14:53:24 UNIONS, BUT OPPORTUNE
09/03/09 14:53:26 NICEICALLY AND WITH NONUNION
09/03/09 14:53:27 EMPLOYEES, PEOPLE ON COUNCIL
09/03/09 14:53:30 FOR THE YEARS I HAVE BEEN HERE
09/03/09 14:53:31 MENTIONING, WE WOULD BE READY
09/03/09 14:53:32 TO ACCEPT ACROSS THE BOARD PAY
09/03/09 14:53:34 CUTS IF IT CAME TOE THAT.
09/03/09 14:53:37 WHEN YOU LOOK AT 2011,
09/03/09 14:53:38 I THINK
09/03/09 14:53:39 PEOPLE CERTAINLY ARE GOING TO
09/03/09 14:53:41 BE MORE WILLING TO DO THAT THAN
09/03/09 14:53:44 FACE A LOT OF
09/03/09 14:53:45 LAYOFFS.
09/03/09 14:53:47 I HOPE THAT THE ADMINISTRATION
09/03/09 14:53:49 WILL LOOK AT THAT AND THINK
09/03/09 14:53:51 ABOUT DOING ANOTHER SURVEY OR
09/03/09 14:53:54 LOOKING AT
09/03/09 14:53:55 THE OLD ONE.
09/03/09 14:53:58 >> DARYL SMITH CHIEF OF
09/03/09 14:53:59 STAFF.
09/03/09 14:54:02 WE DID COMPLETE
09/03/09 14:54:03 COMPENSATION
09/03/09 14:54:03 AND BENEFITS STUDY.
09/03/09 14:54:06 COMPENSATION AND PAY STUDY
09/03/09 14:54:07 IN
09/03/09 14:54:07 2005.
09/03/09 14:54:10 ACCOMPLISHED BY THE
09/03/09 14:54:11 MGT STUDY
09/03/09 14:54:11 GROUP.
09/03/09 14:54:13 THE FINDINGS OF THAT STUDY WERE
09/03/09 14:54:16 THAT WE WERE
09/03/09 14:54:18 BASICALLY IN LINE
09/03/09 14:54:19 WITH OTHER COMPANIES, FROM THE
09/03/09 14:54:22 PRIVATE SECTOR AS WELL AS OTHER
09/03/09 14:54:24 GOVERN MENTAL ORGANIZATIONS IN
09/03/09 14:54:28 OUR GEOGRAPHIC
09/03/09 14:54:29 AREA.
09/03/09 14:54:31 NOT COMPARED TO DULUTH
09/03/09 14:54:34 MINNESOTA OR ANYTHING OUTSIDE
09/03/09 14:54:34 COMPARABLE MUNICIPALITIES TO
09/03/09 14:54:38 CITIES IN
09/03/09 14:54:38 THIS REGION.
09/03/09 14:54:41 WE HAVE OVERTIME
09/03/09 14:54:41 INCREMENTALLY,
09/03/09 14:54:44 IMPLEMENTED THE MGT STUDY
09/03/09 14:54:45 AS
09/03/09 14:54:47 BONNIE REFERENCED.
09/03/09 14:54:50 WE'VE TRIED TO MAKE THAT IN
09/03/09 14:54:50 A
09/03/09 14:54:53 PROACTIVE WAY AND POSITIVE WAY
09/03/09 14:54:56 AND CONTINUE TO
09/03/09 14:54:57 UTILIZE THAT.
09/03/09 14:55:00 WE TRIED TO USE IT
09/03/09 14:55:00 PRIMARILY
09/03/09 14:55:03 WHEN AN EMPLOYEE VACATING A
09/03/09 14:55:03 POSITION.
09/03/09 14:55:05 IF IT IS A CLASSIFICATION TO A
09/03/09 14:55:07 LOWER POSITION WE WOULD RATHER
09/03/09 14:55:10 DO THAT UPON DEPARTURE OF THE
09/03/09 14:55:13 EMPLOYEE RATHER THAN SUBJECT
09/03/09 14:55:15 THAT EMPLOYEE TO TAKE A PAY CUT
09/03/09 14:55:17 AND CONTINUE TO PERFORM THE JOB
09/03/09 14:55:19 HE OR SHE IS IN.
09/03/09 14:55:21 I WILL EXDOE WHAT BONNIE SAID
09/03/09 14:55:23 --ECHO WHAT BONNIE SAID, LET'S
09/03/09 14:55:26 TAKE THIS ONE YEAR AT A
09/03/09 14:55:27 TIME.
09/03/09 14:55:30 OUR PRIMARY FOCUS HAS BEEN
09/03/09 14:55:30 FY
09/03/09 14:55:32 10 AND BALANCING THAT BUDGET
09/03/09 14:55:32 BEFORE YOU NOW.
09/03/09 14:55:34 THAT WAS A BIG CHALLENGE.
09/03/09 14:55:36 I DON'T DISCOUNT THE CHALLENGE
09/03/09 14:55:38 WE'VE GOT FOR 2011.
09/03/09 14:55:41 WE ARE ALREADY WORKING ON
09/03/09 14:55:41 THAT.
09/03/09 14:55:42 IF YOU RECALL, EVEN THE MEETING
09/03/09 14:55:45 YOU HAD WITH THE MAYOR 2 OR 3
09/03/09 14:55:47 MONTHS AGO, WE HAD A SPREAD
09/03/09 14:55:49 SHEET THERE THAT LISTED WHAT WE
09/03/09 14:55:51 SAW AS VARIABLES FOR THE 2010
09/03/09 14:55:55 BUDGET, AND WE ALSO AT
09/03/09 14:55:55 THAT
09/03/09 14:55:58 TIME HAD IT FOR THE
09/03/09 14:56:01 2011
09/03/09 14:56:01 BUDGET.
09/03/09 14:56:02 AS COUNCILMEMBER MIRANDA
09/03/09 14:56:04 SUGGESTED WE WILL CONTINUE TO
09/03/09 14:56:06 REFINE THAT AND USE THAT AS A
09/03/09 14:56:06 PLANNED APPROACH.
09/03/09 14:56:09 IT IS REAL DIFFICULT TO GO
09/03/09 14:56:09 OUT
09/03/09 14:56:11 BEYOND 6 MONTHS WHEN YOU START
09/03/09 14:56:13 TALKING ABOUT THE VOLATILITY OF
09/03/09 14:56:16 WHAT WE ARE DEALING WITH WITH
09/03/09 14:56:16 THE ECONOMY.
09/03/09 14:56:17 ONE MORE THING.
09/03/09 14:56:19 A LOT OF DISCUSSION ON THE
09/03/09 14:56:19 PARKING SITUATION.
09/03/09 14:56:21 THE PARKING SYSTEM IN THE CITY.
09/03/09 14:56:24 WE ARE WELL AWARE OF THAT.
09/03/09 14:56:26 WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THAT
09/03/09 14:56:27 PROBLEM AND LOOKING AT AIL
09/03/09 14:56:29 TERRIBLE TIFFS FOR OVER 18
09/03/09 14:56:32 MONTHS TO --
09/03/09 14:56:32 ALTERNATIVES FOR
09/03/09 14:56:34 OVER 18 MONTHS TO TWO YEARS.
09/03/09 14:56:35 WE WILL BE COMING BACK TO
09/03/09 14:56:38 COUNCIL WITH A
09/03/09 14:56:39 RECOMMENDATION
09/03/09 14:56:41 ONCE WE ACCOMPLISH OUR
09/03/09 14:56:43 COMPLETED STAFF WORK ON THAT.
09/03/09 14:56:45 WE REALIZE THERE IS A CHALLENGE
09/03/09 14:56:47 THERE AND WILL WORK HARD TO GET
09/03/09 14:56:49 THE PARKING SYSTEM BACK ON
09/03/09 14:56:49 TRACK.
09/03/09 14:56:51 THAT IS NOT SOMETHING ALREADY
09/03/09 14:56:54 BEING WORKED BY THE
09/03/09 14:56:54 ADMINISTRATION.
09/03/09 14:56:54 >> THANKS.
09/03/09 14:56:56 I WANTED TO ASK ONE THING
09/03/09 14:56:57 THOUGH SINCE YOU BROUGHT IT UP,
09/03/09 14:57:00 COULD WE GET A COPY OF
09/03/09 14:57:01 THE MGT
09/03/09 14:57:01 STUDY.
09/03/09 14:57:02 >> BY ALL MEANS.
09/03/09 14:57:04 >> AND I THINK PROBABLY THE
09/03/09 14:57:06 COMMITTEE WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT
09/03/09 14:57:06 TOO.
09/03/09 14:57:08 >> THEY DID NOT ASK FOR IT BUT
09/03/09 14:57:10 WE WOULD BE GLAD TO PROVIDE
09/03/09 14:57:10 THAT.
09/03/09 14:57:12 >>>I WILL AM ASKING FOR IT.
09/03/09 14:57:12 THANKS.
09/03/09 14:57:15 >> LET ME JUST FOLLOW UP WITH
09/03/09 14:57:16 SOMETHING I APPRECIATE THE FACT
09/03/09 14:57:19 WE ARE LOOKING AT THE BUDGET
09/03/09 14:57:19 FOR THIS YEAR.
09/03/09 14:57:22 I HAVE A COUNCILMAN MIRANDA
09/03/09 14:57:24 SAYING HE WANTS TO SEE THE BIG
09/03/09 14:57:24 PICTURE.
09/03/09 14:57:25 THAT IS VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE
09/03/09 14:57:28 WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE BUDGET
09/03/09 14:57:31 THIS YEAR, WE REMOVE
09/03/09 14:57:32 FROM
09/03/09 14:57:33 RESERVES THE $34 MILLION.
09/03/09 14:57:36 YOU KNOW AND I KNOW KNOW
09/03/09 14:57:37 BUSINESS CAN CONTINUE TO
09/03/09 14:57:39 FUNCTION AND OPERATE THAT WAY
09/03/09 14:57:41 WHEN YOU CONTINUE TO DRAW DOWN
09/03/09 14:57:42 YOUR RESERVES.
09/03/09 14:57:44 I GUESS THE CONCERN IS WHEN WE
09/03/09 14:57:47 THINK IN TERMS
09/03/09 14:57:48 OF MOVING
09/03/09 14:57:49 FORWARD, IN 2011, YOU KNOW,
09/03/09 14:57:51 WHAT IS GOING TO BE --HOW WE
09/03/09 14:57:55 GOING TO ADDRESS THAT BECAUSE
09/03/09 14:57:58 AS THE CITIZENS,
09/03/09 14:58:01 WE HAVE A GOOD
09/03/09 14:58:03 REPORT AND RAISED A LOT OF
09/03/09 14:58:03 QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT.
09/03/09 14:58:05 I KNOW IN MEETING WITH THE
09/03/09 14:58:08 MAYOR WE HAD SOME
09/03/09 14:58:09 DISCUSSION
09/03/09 14:58:10 ABOUT THAT AND TRYING TO KEEP
09/03/09 14:58:12 IT AT 20% IN THERE.
09/03/09 14:58:14 GOD FORBID WE SHOULD BE HIT
09/03/09 14:58:16 WITH A MAJOR HURRICANE BECAUSE
09/03/09 14:58:18 $80 MILLION WOULD BE WIPED OUT
09/03/09 14:58:18 IN NO TIME.
09/03/09 14:58:21 BUT I GUESS MY QUESTION
09/03/09 14:58:22 IS, TO
09/03/09 14:58:23 THE ADMINISTRATION, AS WE MOVE
09/03/09 14:58:25 FORWARD, AS YOU MOVE FORWARD
09/03/09 14:58:27 AND BEGIN LOOKING AT THESE
09/03/09 14:58:29 ISSUES, $34 MILLION IS A LOT OF
09/03/09 14:58:31 MONEY TO COME OUT OF RESERVES.
09/03/09 14:58:34 THE QUESTION IS AGAIN LOOKING
09/03/09 14:58:35 AT THAT AND MOW YOU MAY NOT
09/03/09 14:58:37 HAVE TO ANSWER TODAY, HOW YOU
09/03/09 14:58:37 PLAN TO ADDRESS THAT.
09/03/09 14:58:39 >>>I WILL WOULD BE GLAD TO
09/03/09 14:58:41 PROVIDE INITIAL RESPONSE TO
09/03/09 14:58:43 THAT AND APPRECIATE THE
09/03/09 14:58:43 CHALLENGE THERE.
09/03/09 14:58:45 WE UNDERSTAND WHERE WE ARE,
09/03/09 14:58:47 AFTER WE COMPLETE THE 2010
09/03/09 14:58:50 BUDGET AND I
09/03/09 14:58:52 WOULD SAY THAT THE
09/03/09 14:58:53 MOST IMPORTANT THING THE
09/03/09 14:58:54 ADMINISTRATION CAN DO AND
09/03/09 14:58:57 COUNCIL CAN DO IS HELP US
09/03/09 14:59:00 SHRINK THE SIZE OF CITY
09/03/09 14:59:01 GOVERNMENT AND SHRINKING THE
09/03/09 14:59:04 SIZE OF CITY GOVERNMENT
09/03/09 14:59:07 PRIMARILY INVOLVES CONTROLLING
09/03/09 14:59:09 SALARY INCREASES, AND WHEREVER
09/03/09 14:59:10 POSSIBLE ELIMINATE POSITION.
09/03/09 14:59:12 WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT MANY TIMES
09/03/09 14:59:13 HOW COSTLY PERSONNEL POSITION
09/03/09 14:59:17 ARE TO THE CITY AND WE
09/03/09 14:59:17 ARE
09/03/09 14:59:20 APPROACHING THAT PRIMARILY FROM
09/03/09 14:59:22 THE AREA OF CONSOLIDATION [
09/03/09 14:59:25 STAND BY FOR
09/03/09 14:59:28 CHANGE
09/03/09 14:59:29 IN
09/03/09 14:59:30 CAPTIONER ]

09/03/09 15:00:36 .
09/03/09 15:00:39 >>> ON ANITA JULY BASIS FROM
09/03/09 15:00:41 WHAT WE HAVE ALREADY
09/03/09 15:00:43 IMPLEMENTED ABOUT $3 MILLION IN
09/03/09 15:00:46 SAVINGS AND $3 MILLION IN
09/03/09 15:00:46 REVENUE.
09/03/09 15:00:48 WE HAVE TO BE MORE EFFICIENT
09/03/09 15:00:50 AND REDUCE COST AND HOLD SALARY
09/03/09 15:00:52 AND BENEFITS DOWN AS WELL AS
09/03/09 15:00:53 THE COSTS THERE.
09/03/09 15:00:56 >> THAT'S TRUE AND I CONCUR
09/03/09 15:00:58 WITH THAT BUT GIVEN THE FACT --
09/03/09 15:01:01 AND I NEED TO ASK
09/03/09 15:01:04 ONE MORE
09/03/09 15:01:07 QUESTION, GIVEN THE FACT WE'RE
09/03/09 15:01:08 DRAWING DOWN $34 MILLION, HOW
09/03/09 15:01:11 MUCH WOULD IT BE HAD WE NOT HAD
09/03/09 15:01:11 THE RESERVES?
09/03/09 15:01:13 >> I WOULD SAY A SIGNIFICANT
09/03/09 15:01:15 PART OF THAT IS WHAT WE HAVE
09/03/09 15:01:18 DONE IN THE PAST TO GET READY
09/03/09 15:01:20 FOR THIS YEAR, THE PREVIOUS
09/03/09 15:01:22 REDUCTIONS OR WE WOULD HAVE
09/03/09 15:01:22 BEEN IN WORST SHAPE.
09/03/09 15:01:25 >> LET ME FOLLOW
09/03/09 15:01:26 UP WITH ONE
09/03/09 15:01:26 LAST QUESTION.
09/03/09 15:01:29 HAS THERE BEEN ANY TALK OR
09/03/09 15:01:30 DISCUSSION ON TRYING TO MERGE
09/03/09 15:01:33 SOME OF THESE SERVICES WITH
09/03/09 15:01:34 THE
09/03/09 15:01:34 COUNTY AS ONE?
09/03/09 15:01:36 AND TWO IS, I DON'T KNOW
09/03/09 15:01:39 WHETHER THIS CAN BE DONE OR
09/03/09 15:01:42 NOT, IN
09/03/09 15:01:45 TERMS OF
09/03/09 15:01:48 THE HEALTH CARE
09/03/09 15:01:57 HAS THERE BEEN ANY TALK ABOUT
09/03/09 15:02:00 AMERICANING
09/03/09 15:02:03 HEALTH CARE?
09/03/09 15:02:06 >> YES, SIR, DEFINITELY.
09/03/09 15:02:12 THE HEALTH CARE SYSTEM IS
09/03/09 15:02:14 A
09/03/09 15:02:14 SELF-INSURANCE SYSTEM.
09/03/09 15:02:16 OURS IS FULLY INSURED.
09/03/09 15:02:19 THOSE ARE
09/03/09 15:02:22 NOT PRACTICALLY
09/03/09 15:02:22 FEASIBLE TO MERGE.
09/03/09 15:02:25 THE COUNTY ARE
09/03/09 15:02:27 CONSIDERING
09/03/09 15:02:29 MOVING TO A FULLY INSURED
09/03/09 15:02:30 PROCESS FOR THEIR MEDICAL
09/03/09 15:02:32 INSURANCE, AND IF THEY DO, THEN
09/03/09 15:02:33 WE WILL DEFINITELY WORK WITH
09/03/09 15:02:36 THEM TO TRY TO SEE IF WE GET A
09/03/09 15:02:39 BROADER BASE OF FOLKS
09/03/09 15:02:41 THAT ARE
09/03/09 15:02:44 INSURES AND AT LOWER COSTS
09/03/09 15:02:46 AS A
09/03/09 15:02:47 RESULT OF THAT.
09/03/09 15:02:48 AS COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA
09/03/09 15:02:51 POINTED OUT THE OPPORTUNITY FOR
09/03/09 15:02:53 A CLINIC IS FURTHER ENHANCED
09/03/09 15:02:55 WITH A BROADER BASE NUMBER OF
09/03/09 15:02:57 CUSTOMERS, IF YOU WILL.
09/03/09 15:03:00 THAT IS STILL ON THE
09/03/09 15:03:03 TABLE
09/03/09 15:03:04 AS
09/03/09 15:03:05 FAR AS CONSIDERATION.
09/03/09 15:03:07 FORWARD CONSOLIDATION OR JOINT
09/03/09 15:03:09 ACTIONS, WE ARE CURRENTLY
09/03/09 15:03:12 WORKING WITH THE COUNTY TO
09/03/09 15:03:15 CONSIDER THE POSSIBILITY
09/03/09 15:03:16 OF
09/03/09 15:03:19 CONSOLIDATED OUR PROCUREMENT
09/03/09 15:03:19 FUNCTION.
09/03/09 15:03:20 PROCUREMENT IS PROCUREMENT.
09/03/09 15:03:23 WE HAVE DIFFERENT GOVERNING
09/03/09 15:03:26 BODIES SO THAT'S
09/03/09 15:03:26 A CHALLENGE.
09/03/09 15:03:29 IF WE COULD WORK IT OUT WHERE
09/03/09 15:03:32 WE COULD CONSOLIDATE THOSE TWO
09/03/09 15:03:34 FUNCTIONS, WE THINK WE COULD
09/03/09 15:03:35 SAVE SIGNIFICANT COSTS FOR MOST
09/03/09 15:03:35 ORGANIZATIONS.
09/03/09 15:03:37 WE HAVE BEEN MEETING AND WILL
09/03/09 15:03:38 CONTINUE TO MEET ON THAT.
09/03/09 15:03:41 ONE OF THE BIG CHALLENGES IS WE
09/03/09 15:03:44 ALSO HAVE DIFFERENT FINANCIAL
09/03/09 15:03:46 SYSTEMS AND DIFFERENT
09/03/09 15:03:49 PROCUREMENT SYSTEMS FROM THE
09/03/09 15:03:51 TECHNOLOGY STANDPOINT.
09/03/09 15:03:54 WE'RE WORKING THAT
09/03/09 15:03:57 WITH A
09/03/09 15:04:00 JOINT
09/03/09 15:04:01 PROCUREMENT WITH THE COUNTY.
09/03/09 15:04:04 WE'RE TRYING TOP DATE OUR
09/03/09 15:04:05 VERY
09/03/09 15:04:07 OLD AND DIVERSE TECHNOLOGY
09/03/09 15:04:10 SYSTEMS INTO A MODERN
09/03/09 15:04:12 FINANCIAL
09/03/09 15:04:14 SYSTEM INCLUDING ACCOUNTING,
09/03/09 15:04:15 PAYROLL, REVENUE, BUDGET,
09/03/09 15:04:16 PERSONNEL AND PAYROLL.
09/03/09 15:04:19 WE'RE TRYING TO DO
09/03/09 15:04:21 IT JOINTLY
09/03/09 15:04:23 WITH THE COUNTY SO THAT WE'RE
09/03/09 15:04:26 BOTH IN THE SAME SYSTEM SO THAT
09/03/09 15:04:29 FUTURE CONSOLIDATION WILL BE
09/03/09 15:04:32 MUCH EASIER BECAUSE THE
09/03/09 15:04:35 OPPORTUNITIES
09/03/09 15:04:37 ARE THERE.
09/03/09 15:04:38 >> COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
09/03/09 15:04:41 >> WHEN YOU LOOK AT
09/03/09 15:04:44 WHAT THE
09/03/09 15:04:47 BUDGET ECONOMY PRESENTED TO US
09/03/09 15:04:49 BUDGE JET COMMITTEE PRESENTED
09/03/09 15:04:52 TO US, IT DOESN'T SOUND THAT
09/03/09 15:04:55 CRITICAL, BUT IT IS.
09/03/09 15:04:56 IF THERE'S A SHORTFALL MANY
09/03/09 15:04:59 CREATES THE ONLY REVENUE AND
09/03/09 15:05:02 EVERYTHING TO SURVIVE
09/03/09 15:05:03 AND KEEP
09/03/09 15:05:04 THE DEPARTMENT GOING, THAT
09/03/09 15:05:06 WOULD BE A DIRECT HIT NO MATTER
09/03/09 15:05:09 WHAT THE
09/03/09 15:05:12 AMOUNT TO
09/03/09 15:05:12 THE GENERAL
09/03/09 15:05:14 FUND.
09/03/09 15:05:16 THESE ENTERPRISE FUNDS MUST BE
09/03/09 15:05:18 KEPT AT MAXIMUM SO THEY CAN PAY
09/03/09 15:05:21 BACK GOOD RATINGS AND PAY
09/03/09 15:05:22 FOR
09/03/09 15:05:23 THE IMPROVEMENTS.
09/03/09 15:05:26 AS YOU WELL
09/03/09 15:05:29 KNOW IN
09/03/09 15:05:32 ADMINISTRATION
09/03/09 15:05:35 WILL
09/03/09 15:05:36 WORK WITH
09/03/09 15:05:37 WATER AND SEWAR.
09/03/09 15:05:39 NOW WE'RE DOING 450.
09/03/09 15:05:40 WE ARE MAKING HEADWAY.
09/03/09 15:05:41 I COMMEND THE ADMINISTRATION
09/03/09 15:05:42 FOR THAT.
09/03/09 15:05:44 WE MUST ALWAYS KEEP A VIGIL ON
09/03/09 15:05:47 THE ENTERPRISE FUND
09/03/09 15:05:51 AND HOW
09/03/09 15:05:54 THEY ARE FLU
09/03/09 15:05:57 ACTING.
09/03/09 15:05:57 WHAT CHAIRMAN SCOTT COMMENTED,
09/03/09 15:06:01 IT DOESN'T TAKE A HURRICANE TO
09/03/09 15:06:04 GET RIDS OF
09/03/09 15:06:06 $80 MILLION.
09/03/09 15:06:09 IT TAKES SOME SMALL GULF BIG
09/03/09 15:06:12 WIND THAT KNOCKS DOWN A
09/03/09 15:06:13 LOT OF
09/03/09 15:06:16 TREES AND OVERTIME
09/03/09 15:06:19 YOU'LL GO
09/03/09 15:06:22 THROUGH 30 OR 40
09/03/09 15:06:25 MILLION.
09/03/09 15:06:40 >> TURN
09/03/09 15:06:42 YOUR MIKE ON.
09/03/09 15:06:42 IT'S ON NOW.
09/03/09 15:06:45 >> IT'S DEFINITELY LESS WORK AS
09/03/09 15:06:47 A RESULT OF LAYING OFF 26
09/03/09 15:06:48 PEOPLE OR 28.
09/03/09 15:06:51 AS A RESULT OF THAT,
09/03/09 15:06:54 ARE THERE
09/03/09 15:06:55 ANY CUTS IN THE ENTERPRISE
09/03/09 15:06:58 FUNDS AS FAR AS PERSONNEL AS A
09/03/09 15:07:01 RESULT
09/03/09 15:07:04 OF CUTS
09/03/09 15:07:05 AND CONSTRUCTION
09/03/09 15:07:05 SERVICES.
09/03/09 15:07:08 >> NOT THAT I'M AWARE
09/03/09 15:07:09 OF
09/03/09 15:07:09 DIRECTLY.
09/03/09 15:07:12 THERE WILL BE REDUCTIONS IN
09/03/09 15:07:13 PERSONNEL AND CERTAIN
09/03/09 15:07:16 ENTERPRISE FUNDS AS A
09/03/09 15:07:18 RESULT
09/03/09 15:07:18 REORGANIZATION EFFORTS.
09/03/09 15:07:21 I'D LIKE TO ASK CINDY MILLER TO
09/03/09 15:07:24 PROVIDE INPUT TO SEE IF SHE'S
09/03/09 15:07:27 AWARE OF CUTS AND THOSE THAT
09/03/09 15:07:29 MAY HAVE OCCURRED IN THE
09/03/09 15:07:31 ENTERPRISE FUND.
09/03/09 15:07:32 >> YOU HAVE LESS CONSTRUCTION
09/03/09 15:07:33 PERMITS, LESS WATER.
09/03/09 15:07:36 I KNOW WE'RE DOING A LOT OF
09/03/09 15:07:39 REPAIRING AS CHARLIE HAS
09/03/09 15:07:45 MENTIONED
09/03/09 15:07:48 OF OUR AGED SEWER
09/03/09 15:07:52 SYSTEM.
09/03/09 15:07:53 >> GOOD AFTERNOON MR. CHAIRMAN.
09/03/09 15:07:54 CYNDY MILLER.
09/03/09 15:07:55 I BELIEVE THE CORRELATION IS
09/03/09 15:07:57 ALTHOUGH YOU HAVE HOOK UPS, A
09/03/09 15:07:59 LOT OF THAT IS BEING DONE BY
09/03/09 15:08:02 CONTRACTORS AND NOT
09/03/09 15:08:05 BY
09/03/09 15:08:07 STAFF OF
09/03/09 15:08:10 THE ENTERPRISE FUNDS.
09/03/09 15:08:13 MR. DAIGNAULT AND HIS VARIOUS
09/03/09 15:08:14 DEPARTMENTS ARE WORKING ON THE
09/03/09 15:08:14 SYSTEMS.
09/03/09 15:08:17 THEY ARE NOT
09/03/09 15:08:21 WORKING ON THE
09/03/09 15:08:24 CONSTRUCTION PROJECT.
09/03/09 15:08:33 THERE MIGHT P A MARGINAL
09/03/09 15:08:33 IMPACT.
09/03/09 15:08:34 >> THANK YOU.
09/03/09 15:08:37 I THINK WE'RE READY TO
09/03/09 15:08:37 HEAR
09/03/09 15:08:38 ABOUT THE MERCURY STUDY.
09/03/09 15:08:40 >> BEFORE WE MOVE TO THE
09/03/09 15:08:43 MERCURY, WE NEED
09/03/09 15:08:48 TO DEAL WITH
09/03/09 15:08:51 ITEM 25.
09/03/09 15:08:51 >> OKAY.
09/03/09 15:08:55 ITEM 25 AND ALSO YOU MADE A
09/03/09 15:08:55 MOTION.
09/03/09 15:08:58 >> WE HAVE TO
09/03/09 15:08:59 TAKE PUBLIC
09/03/09 15:08:59 COMMENT.
09/03/09 15:09:00 >> THIS MORNING'S RESOLUTION.
09/03/09 15:09:02 IT IS SOMETHING THAT HAPPENS
09/03/09 15:09:03 EVERY YEAR.
09/03/09 15:09:06 I AGREE IT'S NOT
09/03/09 15:09:07 THE BEST WAY
09/03/09 15:09:08 TO DO IT.
09/03/09 15:09:10 THE CITY HAS ALWAYS DONE IT.
09/03/09 15:09:13 THAT'S THE WAY WE HAVE IT.
09/03/09 15:09:15 IT ALLOWS US TO USE PREVIOUS
09/03/09 15:09:18 YEARS DOLLARS IN THIS FISCAL
09/03/09 15:09:21 YEAR AND
09/03/09 15:09:24 THAT'S REALLY
09/03/09 15:09:24 ALL IT
09/03/09 15:09:26 IS.
09/03/09 15:09:28 I WOULD SAY IT'S PROBABLY BEST
09/03/09 15:09:31 TO DO THAT AT THE BEGINNING OF
09/03/09 15:09:33 THE FISCAL YEAR.
09/03/09 15:09:36 IT'S USING PRIOR YEARS MONEY.
09/03/09 15:09:39 >> MAYBE THAT'S WHAT THEY
09/03/09 15:09:40 SHOULD --.
09/03/09 15:09:41 >> PARDON.
09/03/09 15:09:44 WHEN IT'S WRITTEN IN THE
09/03/09 15:09:47 AGENDA,
09/03/09 15:09:49 WE'D KNOW WHAT IT IS.
09/03/09 15:09:52 >> THE QUESTION I HAVE,
09/03/09 15:09:53 IS WHY
09/03/09 15:09:55 IS IT A YEAR OLD?
09/03/09 15:09:56 >> WHY IS IT --.
09/03/09 15:09:57 >> A YEAR OLD.
09/03/09 15:09:58 >> I THINK IT REALLY IS A
09/03/09 15:10:01 BETTER TIME TO DO IT IS REALLY
09/03/09 15:10:02 AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS FISCAL
09/03/09 15:10:05 YEAR WHEN YOU'RE STARTING
09/03/09 15:10:08 THE
09/03/09 15:10:09 NEW YEAR.
09/03/09 15:10:10 WE JUST HAVEN'T HISTORYICALLY.
09/03/09 15:10:13 THAT WILL BE ONE OF
09/03/09 15:10:14 THE
09/03/09 15:10:17 IMPROVEMENTS WE WILL MAKE.
09/03/09 15:10:18 >> THANK YOU.
09/03/09 15:10:21 >> WE NEED
09/03/09 15:10:23 A MOTION.
09/03/09 15:10:23 IS THERE A MOTION?
09/03/09 15:10:23 ITEM 25.
09/03/09 15:10:26 >> I MOVE TO PASS ITEM NUMBER
09/03/09 15:10:27 25.
09/03/09 15:10:27 >> SECOND.
09/03/09 15:10:30 >> THAT'S ITEM 25
09/03/09 15:10:33 IS
09/03/09 15:10:36 FROM
09/03/09 15:10:38 THIS
09/03/09 15:10:39 MORNING'S AGENDA.
09/03/09 15:10:39 MOVED AND SECOND.
09/03/09 15:10:40 AYE?
09/03/09 15:10:40 >> AYE.
09/03/09 15:10:40 >> OPPOSERS?
09/03/09 15:10:43 >> ON THE WORKSHOP YOU MADE A
09/03/09 15:10:46 MOTION EARLY IN
09/03/09 15:10:49 THE MEETING AND
09/03/09 15:10:51 MR. FLETCHER SUGGESTED --.
09/03/09 15:10:54 >> WE COULDN'T
09/03/09 15:10:56 TAKE IT UP UNTIL
09/03/09 15:10:57 PUBLIC COMMENT.
09/03/09 15:10:58 >> I'D LIKE TO OPEN THE FLOOR
09/03/09 15:11:01 TO PUBLIC COMMENT IF
09/03/09 15:11:04 ANYONE
09/03/09 15:11:07 WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK.
09/03/09 15:11:09 ANYONE FROM THE COMMITTEE?
09/03/09 15:11:12 THIS IS
09/03/09 15:11:15 AN OPPORTUNITY
09/03/09 15:11:16 FOR
09/03/09 15:11:16 PUBLIC COMMENT.
09/03/09 15:11:16 >> GOOD MORNING.
09/03/09 15:11:17 DIANE HEART.
09/03/09 15:11:18 I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THIS
09/03/09 15:11:21 OPPORTUNITY TO THANK YOU FOR
09/03/09 15:11:24 ENTRUSTING US TO TAKE A
09/03/09 15:11:28 LOOK AT
09/03/09 15:11:28 THE BUDGET.
09/03/09 15:11:28 IT WAS A DIFFICULT TASK AT
09/03/09 15:11:28 TIMES.
09/03/09 15:11:29 I'M SURE THE COMMITTEE WILL
09/03/09 15:11:31 AGREE THAT SOMETIMES GATHERING
09/03/09 15:11:32 INFORMATION WAS A DIFFICULT
09/03/09 15:11:32 THING.
09/03/09 15:11:33 WE GREATLY APPRECIATE THE
09/03/09 15:11:36 STAFF'S TIME AND THE FACT THEY
09/03/09 15:11:39 DID TAKE TIME OUT OF THE THEIR
09/03/09 15:11:42 SCHEDULE TO MEET WITH US, BUT
09/03/09 15:11:42 THAT BUDGET IS A NIGHTMARE.
09/03/09 15:11:45 WE DO BELIEVE THAT WE'RE GOING
09/03/09 15:11:46 TO HAVE TO GET OUTSIDE OF THE
09/03/09 15:11:46 BOX.
09/03/09 15:11:49 IF WE'RE GOING TO SAVE THE CITY
09/03/09 15:11:50 FROM GOING BANKRUPT OR BELLY UP
09/03/09 15:11:52 OR WHATEVER WE MIGHT WANT TO
09/03/09 15:11:53 CALL IT, THE SHORTFALLS ARE
09/03/09 15:11:55 SURELY GOING TO CONTINUE FOR
09/03/09 15:11:57 THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS.
09/03/09 15:11:58 WE GOT TO THINK OUTSIDE OF THE
09/03/09 15:11:58 BOX.
09/03/09 15:12:00 WE HAVE GOT TO TAKE A SERIOUS
09/03/09 15:12:03 HARD LOOK AT THE WAY
09/03/09 15:12:04 OUR
09/03/09 15:12:05 EMPLOYEES ARE BEING LAID OFF.
09/03/09 15:12:07 I HEAR WHAT MR. SMITH IS
09/03/09 15:12:07 SAYING.
09/03/09 15:12:10 I OWN A BUSINESS WHERE PEOPLE
09/03/09 15:12:12 FROM THE CITY ARE DIRECTLY
09/03/09 15:12:15 IMPACTED EVERY DAY THAT COME
09/03/09 15:12:16 THROUGH MY SALON.
09/03/09 15:12:19 IT IS REALLY A
09/03/09 15:12:19 NIGHTMARE.
09/03/09 15:12:20 I'M SURE THERE ARE MANY
09/03/09 15:12:22 EMPLOYEES THROUGHOUT THE CITY
09/03/09 15:12:25 THAT WOULD LOVE TO TAKE A
09/03/09 15:12:25 PAY
09/03/09 15:12:27 CUT VERSUS LOSING THEIR JOBS OR
09/03/09 15:12:28 TAKE LESS HOURS RATHER THAN
09/03/09 15:12:29 LOSE THEIR JOB.
09/03/09 15:12:30 I HEAR THIS EVERY SINGLE DAY.
09/03/09 15:12:34 WE DID HAVE A BIT OF
09/03/09 15:12:34 DISCUSSION
09/03/09 15:12:35 ABOUT THIS, AND THE FURLOUGHS,
09/03/09 15:12:38 PEOPLE ARE WILLING TO TAKE
09/03/09 15:12:41 ANYTHING OVER LOSING
09/03/09 15:12:44 THEIR
09/03/09 15:12:44 JOBS.
09/03/09 15:12:44 NOT ONLY DOES IT IMPACT
09/03/09 15:12:47 BUSINESSES LIKE MINE, IT
09/03/09 15:12:47 IMPACTS OUR HOUSING.
09/03/09 15:12:50 WHO WILL WE BE ABLE TO SELL
09/03/09 15:12:52 THEM TO IF EVERYBODY IS
09/03/09 15:12:52 UNEMPLOYED.
09/03/09 15:12:54 WE NEED TO TAKE HARD LOOK AT
09/03/09 15:12:55 HOW IS IT THAT WE WILL DECIDE
09/03/09 15:12:58 WHETHER
09/03/09 15:13:01 OR NOT A PERSON IS CUT
09/03/09 15:13:01 FROM A JOB OR HOURS REDUCED.
09/03/09 15:13:04 WE HAVE TO
09/03/09 15:13:07 TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
09/03/09 15:13:13 I WAS AMAZED AT THE VARIOUS
09/03/09 15:13:14 SALARIES FOR THE POSITIONS.
09/03/09 15:13:17 WHEN YOU TAKE
09/03/09 15:13:18 A LOOK AT THAT
09/03/09 15:13:20 BUDGET AND SEE ONE PERSON
09/03/09 15:13:23 MAKING 79,000 AND ANOTHER
09/03/09 15:13:24 PERSON IN THE SAME
09/03/09 15:13:25 CLASSIFICATION MAKING $39,000.
09/03/09 15:13:28 IT MAKES YOU WONDER HOW IS
09/03/09 15:13:29 THIS
09/03/09 15:13:29 FAIR.
09/03/09 15:13:32 WHAT SCALE ARE YOU USING?
09/03/09 15:13:33 I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE.
09/03/09 15:13:36 I JUST RUN A SMALL BUSINESS SO
09/03/09 15:13:38 I WOULDN'T KNOW ABOUT MAKING
09/03/09 15:13:39 $79,000 IN A PAYCHECK.
09/03/09 15:13:41 I HAVE TO EARN MY OWN.
09/03/09 15:13:42 IT NEEDS SOME LOOKING AT.
09/03/09 15:13:45 WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT HOW DO WE
09/03/09 15:13:47 LEVEL OUR SALARY AGAINST THE
09/03/09 15:13:50 REST OF THE
09/03/09 15:13:53 REAL WORLD THAT'S
09/03/09 15:13:54 OUT HERE.
09/03/09 15:13:57 YOU ALL CAN TAKE A
09/03/09 15:13:59 LOOK AT THE
09/03/09 15:13:59 SALARIES.
09/03/09 15:14:00 IT'S JUST AMAZING.
09/03/09 15:14:02 IN SOME DEPARTMENTS, IT'S SO
09/03/09 15:14:05 TOP HEAVY, SOMEHOW WE GOT TO
09/03/09 15:14:08 TAKE A LOOK AT IT.
09/03/09 15:14:11 >> WE DID NOT MAKE ANY
09/03/09 15:14:12 OF THE
09/03/09 15:14:12 RECOMMENDATIONS.
09/03/09 15:14:14 THAT'S MY PERSONALLY, NOT THE
09/03/09 15:14:15 ENTIRE COMMITTEE EVEN THOUGH I
09/03/09 15:14:18 KNOW
09/03/09 15:14:23 THEY FELT THE SAME WAY I
09/03/09 15:14:23 DID.
09/03/09 15:14:24 THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR
09/03/09 15:14:24 ENTRUSTING THAT IN US.
09/03/09 15:14:24 WE TOOK IT SERIOUSLY.
09/03/09 15:14:27 >> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR
09/03/09 15:14:29 YOUR
09/03/09 15:14:29 HELP, YOUR SERVICE ON THIS.
09/03/09 15:14:31 I THINK WE DID GET THAT MESSAGE
09/03/09 15:14:33 FROM THE BUDGET COMMITTEE TO
09/03/09 15:14:36 LOOK AT SALARIES
09/03/09 15:14:38 AND WE'RE
09/03/09 15:14:40 HOPEFULLY WILL GET THAT FROM
09/03/09 15:14:43 THE SALARY STUDY AND
09/03/09 15:14:46 THAT
09/03/09 15:14:49 MIGHT
09/03/09 15:14:50 INDICATE TO US.
09/03/09 15:14:50 ANYONE ELSE?
09/03/09 15:14:50 OKAY.
09/03/09 15:14:51 THANK YOU.
09/03/09 15:14:54 WE WILL --WE'RE GOING TO
09/03/09 15:14:57 --.
09/03/09 15:14:58 >> ACTUALLY THE MOTION, I'LL
09/03/09 15:15:01 RESTATE IT BUT MISS MILLER
09/03/09 15:15:02 HAS
09/03/09 15:15:03 TO CARRY IT.
09/03/09 15:15:06 MY MOTION WAS REMOVIE THE
09/03/09 15:15:09 MEMO
09/03/09 15:15:11 FROM THE REPORT THAT WISE GAVE
09/03/09 15:15:13 US AND RENAME IT THE BUDGET
09/03/09 15:15:16 SUPPLEMENT AND ATTACH IT TO THE
09/03/09 15:15:17 OTHER DOCUMENTS AND THAT IT
09/03/09 15:15:20 BECOME A PART OF THE BUDGET AND
09/03/09 15:15:22 THAT THE ADMINISTRATION WILL
09/03/09 15:15:25 ADHERE AND FORWARD TO US AS
09/03/09 15:15:28 PART OF THIS BUDGET THAT'S PART
09/03/09 15:15:31 OF THE BUDGET DOCUMENT
09/03/09 15:15:31 THOSE
09/03/09 15:15:32 ARE LINE ITEM DETAILS.
09/03/09 15:15:34 I GUESS MY QUESTION TO MR.
09/03/09 15:15:36 SMITH, I HOPE WE CAN DO THAT.
09/03/09 15:15:39 IF NOT, ILL PUT IN THE MOTION
09/03/09 15:15:42 THAT WE GET AN ORDINANCE BACK
09/03/09 15:15:43 TO BRING LANGUAGE CHANGE IN
09/03/09 15:15:46 CHAPTER 2
09/03/09 15:15:49 AND THE CITY
09/03/09 15:15:50 CODE.
09/03/09 15:15:51 >> SECOND?
09/03/09 15:15:52 >> CAN WE DO THAT?
09/03/09 15:15:55 >> MR. SMITH YOU
09/03/09 15:16:01 WANT
09/03/09 15:16:02 TO
09/03/09 15:16:03 RESPOND TO THAT?
09/03/09 15:16:04 >> CHIP FLETCHER, CITY
09/03/09 15:16:04 ATTORNEY.
09/03/09 15:16:07 I DON'T HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT
09/03/09 15:16:10 A
09/03/09 15:16:13 MOTION THAT WAS
09/03/09 15:16:14 PREVIOUSLY
09/03/09 15:16:14 INDICATED.
09/03/09 15:16:17 THE COUNCIL
09/03/09 15:16:17 ONCE THE BUDGET IS
09/03/09 15:16:20 DELIVERED HAVE A PERIOD
09/03/09 15:16:21 OF TIME
09/03/09 15:16:23 TO MAKE AMENDMENTS.
09/03/09 15:16:24 WE CAN DO FORWARD UNDER THAT
09/03/09 15:16:26 PREMISE AND THEN WE WOULD JUST
09/03/09 15:16:29 WANT TO MAKE SURE SO IT'S CLEAR
09/03/09 15:16:32 THAT IN THE RESOLUTION AND
09/03/09 15:16:34 ORDINANCES ADOPTING IT THAT IF
09/03/09 15:16:40 IT'S COUNCIL'S DESIRE THAT BE A
09/03/09 15:16:40 CONTROLLING BUDGET DOCUMENT BUT
09/03/09 15:16:43 THAT ALSO BE DOCUMENTED WHEN
09/03/09 15:16:44 COUNCIL TAKES ACTION.
09/03/09 15:16:46 THE PRIOR ACTIONS YOU ALL HAVE
09/03/09 15:16:49 DONE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THE
09/03/09 15:16:51 FIRST DOCUMENT, NOT THE SECOND
09/03/09 15:16:51 DOCUMENT.
09/03/09 15:16:54 I WOULD RECOMMENDS THAT WE
09/03/09 15:16:55 HAVE
09/03/09 15:16:58 THE ORDINANCE AND RESOLUTIONS
09/03/09 15:16:59 ADOPTED BY COUNCIL REFERENCE
09/03/09 15:17:02 BOTH OF THOSE
09/03/09 15:17:03 DOCUMENTS.
09/03/09 15:17:06 >> OKAY.
09/03/09 15:17:09 I WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR THOUGH
09/03/09 15:17:12 THAT LINE ITEM DETAIL
09/03/09 15:17:14 IS PART
09/03/09 15:17:17 OF THE BUDGET.
09/03/09 15:17:23 YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ASKING
09/03/09 15:17:28 FOR
09/03/09 15:17:30 ADDITION AL INFORMATION.
09/03/09 15:17:32 >> WHAT LINE ITEM ARE YOU TALK
09/03/09 15:17:32 ABOUT?
09/03/09 15:17:35 >> LET ME LOOK AT THE HEADING
09/03/09 15:17:35 REAL QUICK.
09/03/09 15:17:38 >> YOU'RE
09/03/09 15:17:40 TALKING ABOUT THE
09/03/09 15:17:42 BUDGET SUPPLEMENT, RIGHT?
09/03/09 15:17:43 >> TALKING ABOUT THE BUDGET
09/03/09 15:17:43 SUPPLEMENT.
09/03/09 15:17:46 >> I'D LIKE TO HEAR
09/03/09 15:17:47 FROM MR.
09/03/09 15:17:49 SHELPY THAT EVERY TIME COUNCIL
09/03/09 15:17:51 PASS A BUDGET THAT THE BUDGET
09/03/09 15:17:53 SUPPLEMENT THAT WE FELT WAS
09/03/09 15:17:54 PART OF THE BUDGET.
09/03/09 15:17:57 I'D LIKE TO SEE SOME
09/03/09 15:17:59 RESEARCH
09/03/09 15:17:59 ON THAT BECAUSE I'M NOT
09/03/09 15:18:02 CONVINCED THAT WE --MAYBE WE
09/03/09 15:18:05 DON'T NEED TO MAKE A
09/03/09 15:18:06 MOTION.
09/03/09 15:18:09 I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE
09/03/09 15:18:12 MOTION BUT IT
09/03/09 15:18:13 BEING AN
09/03/09 15:18:13 AMENDMENT.
09/03/09 15:18:16 IT IS THE BUDGET
09/03/09 15:18:20 AS FAR AS
09/03/09 15:18:22 WE'RE CONCERNED.
09/03/09 15:18:25 >> WE DIDN'T GO THROUGH
09/03/09 15:18:25 OUR
09/03/09 15:18:28 CUTS YET BECAUSE THIS
09/03/09 15:18:29 CAME UP
09/03/09 15:18:30 FAIRLY RECENTLY.
09/03/09 15:18:33 WHAT WE HAVE REFERENCES THE
09/03/09 15:18:35 ANNUAL BUDGET, NOT THE BUDGET
09/03/09 15:18:35 SUPPLEMENT.
09/03/09 15:18:36 WHAT I'M SUGGESTING IF COUNCIL
09/03/09 15:18:39 WANTS TO BE CLEAR THAT IT'S
09/03/09 15:18:41 ADOPTING THIS LEVEL OF DETAIL
09/03/09 15:18:44 WE SHOULD REFERENCE THAT
09/03/09 15:18:47 IN THE
09/03/09 15:18:49 RESOLUTION THAT YOU ULTIMATELY
09/03/09 15:18:49 APPROVE.
09/03/09 15:18:52 AS THE CHARTER IS WRITTEN, MY
09/03/09 15:18:54 VIEW IS AND I THINK IT'S FAIRLY
09/03/09 15:18:57 CLEAR THERE LEVEL OF DETAIL IS
09/03/09 15:18:57 NOT REQUIRED.
09/03/09 15:19:00 I THINK IT WAS HEARD LOUD
09/03/09 15:19:01 AND
09/03/09 15:19:02 CLEAR THAT COUNCIL EXPECTS IT
09/03/09 15:19:04 AND IT WILL THE BE PROVIDED
09/03/09 15:19:04 FROM NOW ON.
09/03/09 15:19:06 IF COUNCIL TAKES THE POSITION
09/03/09 15:19:09 THAT A
09/03/09 15:19:12 YES INFORMATION WAS NOT
09/03/09 15:19:18 PROVIDED AND AS MR.
09/03/09 15:19:20 TERRITO
09/03/09 15:19:22 SAID PREVIOUSLY, THAT CREATES A
09/03/09 15:19:23 BUDGET PROCESS PROBLEM BECAUSE
09/03/09 15:19:26 OF THE TIME
09/03/09 15:19:30 LINES IN THE
09/03/09 15:19:30 CHARTER.
09/03/09 15:19:33 >> I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE
09/03/09 15:19:36 SAYING BUT I
09/03/09 15:19:39 DON'T AGREE WITH
09/03/09 15:19:39 YOU.
09/03/09 15:19:42 >> WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, HIS IS
09/03/09 15:19:43 THE FINAL DECISION.
09/03/09 15:19:46 UNDER YOUR CHARTER, THE CITY
09/03/09 15:19:49 ATTORNEY'S
09/03/09 15:19:52 OPINION IS THE FINAL
09/03/09 15:19:53 OPINION.
09/03/09 15:19:53 HIS WILL PREVAIL.
09/03/09 15:19:57 WE WILL
09/03/09 15:19:59 HAVE TWO DIFFERENT
09/03/09 15:20:00 COMING UP.
09/03/09 15:20:00 THERE'S ONLY ONE OPINION.
09/03/09 15:20:02 HIS OPINION DOES NOT CARRY ANY
09/03/09 15:20:04 WEIGHT IN THE PROCESS UNDER OUR
09/03/09 15:20:04 CHARTER.
09/03/09 15:20:07 I JUST WANT TO MAKE
09/03/09 15:20:09 SURE YOU'RE
09/03/09 15:20:11 CLEAR WITH THAT.
09/03/09 15:20:14 >> LET ME
09/03/09 15:20:15 ASK A QUESTION.
09/03/09 15:20:17 MISS WISE SAID SHE COMBINE ALL
09/03/09 15:20:18 THREE IN ONE BOOK.
09/03/09 15:20:20 CAN WE LOOK THROUGH THAT BOOK
09/03/09 15:20:21 AND FIND WHAT WE NEED?
09/03/09 15:20:23 >> I THINK YOU CAN FIND
09/03/09 15:20:24 EVERYTHING THAT YOU NEED.
09/03/09 15:20:27 HAVING SAID THAT, I HAVE HEARD
09/03/09 15:20:30 YOU ALL LOUD AND CLEAR.
09/03/09 15:20:33 I WILL FOREVER MORE PROVIDE
09/03/09 15:20:36 THIS DETAILED INFORMATION TO
09/03/09 15:20:40 YOU.
09/03/09 15:20:43 THERE'S NO PROBLEM WITH THAT.
09/03/09 15:20:49 I THINK WE'RE
09/03/09 15:20:55 GETTING TIED UP
09/03/09 15:20:55 ON SEMANTICS.
09/03/09 15:20:58 >> SHE SAID SHE WOULD GIVE IT
09/03/09 15:20:58 TO US.
09/03/09 15:21:01 YOU DON'T THINK SHE WILL?
09/03/09 15:21:01 >> I DON'T KNOW.
09/03/09 15:21:03 >> LET'S SAY THERE'S A PROJECT
09/03/09 15:21:06 GOING ON ON 15th STREET AND
09/03/09 15:21:09 IT'S X DOLLARS AND IT'S FOR
09/03/09 15:21:12 STORM
09/03/09 15:21:14 DRAINAGE AND SO HAPPENS
09/03/09 15:21:21 THAT THE BIDS COME UNDER AND
09/03/09 15:21:22 THE JOB IS COMPLETE.
09/03/09 15:21:24 THERE'S A FEW DOLLARS LEFT, IF
09/03/09 15:21:25 THE ADMINISTRATION WANTS TO
09/03/09 15:21:27 SPEND THAT MONEY IN REPAVING
09/03/09 15:21:31 THE STREET, THERE'S
09/03/09 15:21:31 NO PROBLEM.
09/03/09 15:21:33 IF THAT PROJECT, THE LEFTOVER
09/03/09 15:21:35 FUND FROM 15th STREET GO TO
09/03/09 15:21:37 LAKE AVENUE, AND I'M NOT SAYING
09/03/09 15:21:40 THAT BECAUSE I LIVE ON LAKE
09/03/09 15:21:43 AVENUE,
09/03/09 15:21:44 BUT I JUST USE IT, THEN
09/03/09 15:21:47 YOU HAVE TO COME THERE AND
09/03/09 15:21:48 GET
09/03/09 15:21:49 THE APPROVALS DONE.
09/03/09 15:21:49 AM I CORRECT?
09/03/09 15:21:49 >> YES.
09/03/09 15:21:51 AS WE HAVE ALWAYS COME BEFORE
09/03/09 15:21:54 YOU, IF WE HAD CHANGES OF THAT
09/03/09 15:21:56 NATURE WE WILL BE COMING BEFORE
09/03/09 15:22:03 YOU AGAIN.
09/03/09 15:22:03 IF THE SCOPE OF THE --I FORGOT
09/03/09 15:22:04 THE ORIGINAL PROJECT --IF IT
09/03/09 15:22:04 CHANGES, WE WILL COME BEFORE
09/03/09 15:22:05 YOU.
09/03/09 15:22:05 IF WE NEED TO MOVE MONEY
09/03/09 15:22:07 AROUND, WE WILL BE COMING
09/03/09 15:22:07 BEFORE YOU.
09/03/09 15:22:10 REALLY, THIS WAS TO GIVE A
09/03/09 15:22:12 BETTER DOCUMENT AND
09/03/09 15:22:13 PROPROGRESSIVE DOCUMENT.
09/03/09 15:22:14 ONCE AGAIN, I HEAR YOU.
09/03/09 15:22:17 YOU'RE GOING TO GET IT IN THE
09/03/09 15:22:18 FUTURE.
09/03/09 15:22:19 I THINK WE'RE MAYBE GETTING
09/03/09 15:22:22 WRAPPED AROUND SOMETHING THAT
09/03/09 15:22:25 WE'RE GOING
09/03/09 15:22:26 TO FULFILL FOR YOU.
09/03/09 15:22:29 >> MY ISSUE IS BROADER THAN
09/03/09 15:22:29 THAT.
09/03/09 15:22:30 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09/03/09 15:22:31 THIS MAYOR WILL ALWAYS BE IN
09/03/09 15:22:33 OFFICE AND YOU MAY NOT ALWAYS
09/03/09 15:22:34 BE HERE.
09/03/09 15:22:37 WE DON'T KNOW WHAT
09/03/09 15:22:40 THE NEXT
09/03/09 15:22:40 ADMINISTRATION WILL DO.
09/03/09 15:22:41 THIS ISSUE IS NOT JUST ABOUT
09/03/09 15:22:41 NOW.
09/03/09 15:22:44 IT'S
09/03/09 15:22:44 FUTURISTIC.
09/03/09 15:22:46 I WANT TO BE CLEAR.
09/03/09 15:22:48 THIS IS NOT ABOUT YOU.
09/03/09 15:22:50 IT'S ABOUT GENERATIONS
09/03/09 15:22:51 FOLLOWING, I GUESS.
09/03/09 15:22:54 I'M NOT OPPOSED TO CHANGE.
09/03/09 15:22:57 THAT'S NOT
09/03/09 15:23:00 MY ISSUE.
09/03/09 15:23:01 ALSO THIS WAS A MAJOR POLICY
09/03/09 15:23:01 SHIFT THAT WE WERE NOT BRIEFED.
09/03/09 15:23:04 THE OTHER THING I WANT TOP SAY
09/03/09 15:23:07 IS WITH ALL
09/03/09 15:23:10 DUE RESPECT TO SAL,
09/03/09 15:23:12 WE HAD A CHARTER AMENDMENT.
09/03/09 15:23:15 WHEN IT COMES
09/03/09 15:23:18 TO THE CITY,
09/03/09 15:23:24 IT'S
09/03/09 15:23:24 CLEAR, MR. SHELBY ADVISES
09/03/09 15:23:24 COUNCIL.
09/03/09 15:23:27 WHEN IT COMES TO THE CITY AND
09/03/09 15:23:30 THOSE DECISIONS,
09/03/09 15:23:33 I HAVE
09/03/09 15:23:34 A
09/03/09 15:23:34 PROBLEM.
09/03/09 15:23:37 I HAVE A RIGHT TO CHANGE
09/03/09 15:23:39 AND
09/03/09 15:23:39 CONSULT MR. SHELBY.
09/03/09 15:23:40 HE CAN INTERPRESENT THE
09/03/09 15:23:42 DOCUMENTS FROM A LEGAL
09/03/09 15:23:42 STANDPOINT.
09/03/09 15:23:44 >> IF I MAY MR. CHAIRMAN.
09/03/09 15:23:45 >> THANK YOU.
09/03/09 15:23:48 I'M NOT A LAWYER BUT I DID
09/03/09 15:23:48 GRADUATE.
09/03/09 15:23:51 I'M NOT TRYING TO P SMART OR
09/03/09 15:23:51 ANYTHING ELSE.
09/03/09 15:23:53 THE CHARTER IS VERY CLEAR.
09/03/09 15:23:54 THEY CHANGE THE CHARTER THROUGH
09/03/09 15:23:57 THE PUBLIC PROCESS THIS YEAR
09/03/09 15:24:00 WHERE
09/03/09 15:24:03 THE COUNCIL CHOOSES
09/03/09 15:24:04 THEIR
09/03/09 15:24:07 ATTORNEY.
09/03/09 15:24:14 THE LAST WORD IS THE CITY
09/03/09 15:24:16 ATTORNEY, NOT THE ONE THE
09/03/09 15:24:17 COUNCIL CHOOSES.
09/03/09 15:24:19 THAT'S HOW I UNDERSTAND IT.
09/03/09 15:24:20 MAYBE I'M WRONG.
09/03/09 15:24:23 >> I ASKED FOR MR.
09/03/09 15:24:23 SHELBY'S
09/03/09 15:24:24 OPINION.
09/03/09 15:24:25 HE'S THE COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
09/03/09 15:24:26 I'D LIKE TO HEAR IT.
09/03/09 15:24:29 >> I UNDERSTAND MY ROLE UNDER
09/03/09 15:24:30 THE CHARTER AND I UNDERSTAND
09/03/09 15:24:32 MR. FLETCHER'S ROLE OVER THE
09/03/09 15:24:32 CHARTER.
09/03/09 15:24:35 I'M NOT GOING TO SIT HERE TO
09/03/09 15:24:37 TELL YOU FOR WHATEVER LEGAL
09/03/09 15:24:39 RAMIFICATIONS THAT THERE MAY P
09/03/09 15:24:40 THAT THE CITY ADMINISTRATION
09/03/09 15:24:42 DID NOT COMPLY WITH ITS DUTY
09/03/09 15:24:45 UNDER THE CHARTER AND ALL THAT
09/03/09 15:24:46 IT ENTAILS.
09/03/09 15:24:48 I'M NOT HERE THE SAY THAT.
09/03/09 15:24:51 IF IT'S MR. FLETCHER'S POSITION
09/03/09 15:24:54 THAT THIS IS LEGALLY
09/03/09 15:25:00 PROCEEDING
09/03/09 15:25:03 ACCORDING TO FLORIDA STATE
09/03/09 15:25:05 STATUTES.
09/03/09 15:25:08 I'M CONCERNED
09/03/09 15:25:11 THIS IS
09/03/09 15:25:12 A MAJOR
09/03/09 15:25:15 POLICY SHIFT THAT INVOLVES THE
09/03/09 15:25:16 MOST SIGNIFICANT ROLE OF THIS
09/03/09 15:25:17 LEGISLATIVE BODY.
09/03/09 15:25:20 AS YOU HEARD FROM YOUR MEMBERS
09/03/09 15:25:23 OF YOUR CITIZENS BUDGET
09/03/09 15:25:25 COMMITTEE, AN OPINION THAT I DO
09/03/09 15:25:29 AGREE WITH, THAT
09/03/09 15:25:30 FOR ALL
09/03/09 15:25:30 INTENTS AND PURPOSES AS A BASIS
09/03/09 15:25:33 OF COMPARISON OF THINGS SUCH AS
09/03/09 15:25:36 POLICE OVERTIME, THAT
09/03/09 15:25:40 BUDGET
09/03/09 15:25:42 SUPPLEMENT IS YOUR BUDGET WHEN
09/03/09 15:25:45 YOU TAKE OUT THE REST, IT'S
09/03/09 15:25:47 WINDOW DRESSING AND THAT'S JUST
09/03/09 15:25:50 THE WAY IT IS, IN
09/03/09 15:25:50 MY OPINION.
09/03/09 15:25:53 MY POINT IS A CONCERN
09/03/09 15:25:59 THAT I
09/03/09 15:26:02 BELIEVE I SHARE THE
09/03/09 15:26:03 SHARE'S
09/03/09 15:26:04 OPINION THERE'S A LOGICAL
09/03/09 15:26:06 INFERENCE WHEN THE MAYOR IS
09/03/09 15:26:08 GIVEN A LINE ITEM VETO IT'S
09/03/09 15:26:11 COMMON SENSE TO INFER THAT THIS
09/03/09 15:26:14 CITY COUNCIL HAS LINE ITEM
09/03/09 15:26:14 OVERSIGHT.
09/03/09 15:26:17 THAT IS INFORMATION THAT'S
09/03/09 15:26:20 ENTITLED TO BE PROVIDED TO
09/03/09 15:26:20 COUNCIL.
09/03/09 15:26:23 THIS ADMINISTRATION WITH NO
09/03/09 15:26:26 NOTICE TO CITY COUNCIL HAS
09/03/09 15:26:27 UNILATERALLY DECIDED, FOR
09/03/09 15:26:30 WHATEVER REASON, TO NOT PROVIDE
09/03/09 15:26:31 THAT INFORMATION TO THIS
09/03/09 15:26:33 COUNCIL, WHICH HAS ACCORDING TO
09/03/09 15:26:36 THOSE I'VE SPOKEN WITH TODAY
09/03/09 15:26:39 BEEN PROVIDED
09/03/09 15:26:42 TO CITY COUNCIL
09/03/09 15:26:43 FOR DECADES.
09/03/09 15:26:44 IT'S PERTINENT, IMPORTANT,
09/03/09 15:26:47 VITAL INFORMATION THAT COUNCIL
09/03/09 15:26:50 REVIEWING THE CHARTER
09/03/09 15:26:51 IS
09/03/09 15:26:51 ENTITLED TO.
09/03/09 15:26:53 MY CONCERN IS THAT IF IT'S THE
09/03/09 15:26:56 DESIRE OF COUNCIL
09/03/09 15:26:58 TO HAVE THAT
09/03/09 15:26:59 INFORMATION PRESENTED, NOT 26
09/03/09 15:27:02 DAYS LATER BUT AS THE CHARTER
09/03/09 15:27:05 SAYS ALONG WITH THE BUDGET
09/03/09 15:27:07 INFORMATION, AT LEAST 45 DAYS
09/03/09 15:27:10 BEFORE
09/03/09 15:27:12 ADOPTION, THAT
09/03/09 15:27:12 COMMUNICATED.
09/03/09 15:27:16 IT'S
09/03/09 15:27:19 UNFORTUNATE THAT THIS
09/03/09 15:27:22 COUNCIL FINDS ITSELF IN
09/03/09 15:27:26 THE
09/03/09 15:27:28 POSITION THAT IT'S IN.
09/03/09 15:27:29 IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT COUNCIL
09/03/09 15:27:32 DID NOT RECEIVE IT EVEN
09/03/09 15:27:33 THOUGH
09/03/09 15:27:34 SOME COUNCIL MEMBERS WERE UNDER
09/03/09 15:27:37 THE IMPRESSION IT WAS GOING TO
09/03/09 15:27:37 BE PROVIDED.
09/03/09 15:27:40 THAT BEING THE CASE,
09/03/09 15:27:43 IT'S MY
09/03/09 15:27:46 POSITION THAT SOME ACTION
09/03/09 15:27:48 MUST
09/03/09 15:27:51 BE TAKEN TO ENSURE
09/03/09 15:27:54 THAT
09/03/09 15:27:56 THIS
09/03/09 15:27:56 ISSUE IS RESOLVED.
09/03/09 15:27:59 ONE WAY OF DOING IT IS WITH A
09/03/09 15:28:00 CHARTER AMENDMENT.
09/03/09 15:28:01 LET THE VOTERS KNOW THEY HAVE
09/03/09 15:28:04 THE RIGHT TO DECIDE
09/03/09 15:28:04 THE ISSUE
09/03/09 15:28:06 AND HAVE IT RESOLVED.
09/03/09 15:28:09 ANOTHER OPTION
09/03/09 15:28:11 THAT THE COUNCIL
09/03/09 15:28:14 MAY CONSIDER IS CHAPTER 2,
09/03/09 15:28:16 THE
09/03/09 15:28:18 ADMINISTRATION, ARTICLE 3 THE
09/03/09 15:28:21 DEPARTMENT
09/03/09 15:28:24 DIVISION 2, THE
09/03/09 15:28:26 DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE AND
09/03/09 15:28:28 FINANCE SPEAK DIRECTLY TO THE
09/03/09 15:28:29 DEPARTMENT AND TO CALL OUT A
09/03/09 15:28:31 PARTICULAR ISSUE, IT SAYS IN
09/03/09 15:28:33 ADDITION TO THE DUTIES
09/03/09 15:28:35 PRESCRIBED BY THE CHARTER, THE
09/03/09 15:28:36 DIRECTER OF FINANCE SHALL, IF
09/03/09 15:28:39 COUNCIL IN THE FUTURE WISHES TO
09/03/09 15:28:41 HAVE THIS INFORMATION PROVIDED
09/03/09 15:28:43 ALONGSIDE THE BUDGET WHETHER A
09/03/09 15:28:44 LEGAL INTERPRETATION OF WHETHER
09/03/09 15:28:47 IT'S THE
09/03/09 15:28:50 FALL BUDGET OR
09/03/09 15:28:52 NOT
09/03/09 15:28:55 THEN COUNCIL
09/03/09 15:28:58 CAN
09/03/09 15:29:01 CHOOSE TO
09/03/09 15:29:01 CODIFY THAT.
09/03/09 15:29:02 MY CONCERN AS YOUR ATTORNEY IS
09/03/09 15:29:05 THAT THIS ISSUE IS RESOLVED.
09/03/09 15:29:06 THE COUNCIL SYSTEM PROVIDED
09/03/09 15:29:07 THIS INFORMATION.
09/03/09 15:29:09 IT'S MY BELIEF THAT AS A
09/03/09 15:29:10 LEGISLATIVE BODY YOU CAN ONLY
09/03/09 15:29:13 MAKE AS GOOD A DECISION AS THE
09/03/09 15:29:14 INFORMATION PROVIDED TO YOU.
09/03/09 15:29:16 ON THAT BASIS I DO NOT DISAGREE
09/03/09 15:29:18 WITH MR. FLETCHER, BUT IT'S MY
09/03/09 15:29:20 OPINION THAT THERE SHOULD BE
09/03/09 15:29:21 STEPS TAKEN THAT THERE'S NO
09/03/09 15:29:24 DOUBT THAT THIS INFORMATION
09/03/09 15:29:27 WILL BE PROVIDED AND THAT
09/03/09 15:29:29 THE
09/03/09 15:29:31 SITUATION WILL NOT REPEAT
09/03/09 15:29:32 ITEMS.
09/03/09 15:29:35 >> THAT WAS MY --I REALLY
09/03/09 15:29:36 APPRECIATE THAT.
09/03/09 15:29:38 IT WAS VERY CLEAR AND ELOQUENT.
09/03/09 15:29:40 THAT'S MY PROBLEM WITH WHAT
09/03/09 15:29:42 YOU'RE RECOMMENDED FOR US TO
09/03/09 15:29:43 ADD THIS YEAR THE BUDGET
09/03/09 15:29:44 SUPPLEMENT AS AN AMENDMENT TO
09/03/09 15:29:48 THE BUDGET IS NOT WHAT
09/03/09 15:29:49 WE WANT
09/03/09 15:29:49 TO DO.
09/03/09 15:29:52 WE DON'T FEEL --I
09/03/09 15:29:56 DON'T FEEL
09/03/09 15:29:59 THAT'S THE POINT.
09/03/09 15:30:02 I THINK
09/03/09 15:30:05 WHAT MR. SHELBY
09/03/09 15:30:06 IS
09/03/09 15:30:07 OPINING IS THE MOTION TO
09/03/09 15:30:08 INTEGRATE THAT SUPPLEMENT AS
09/03/09 15:30:11 PART OF THE BUDGET
09/03/09 15:30:15 WHEN WE PASS
09/03/09 15:30:16 IT.
09/03/09 15:30:19 I'D SUPPORT
09/03/09 15:30:21 THAT.
09/03/09 15:30:22 I'D PASS IT.
09/03/09 15:30:25 >> MR. SHELBY.
09/03/09 15:30:37 >> MANY MISS WISE'S OWN MEMO
09/03/09 15:30:39 SHE REFERRED TO IT AS
09/03/09 15:30:40 COMBINEING THE THREE SEPARATE
09/03/09 15:30:41 BUDGET DOCUMENTS.
09/03/09 15:30:42 AT LEAST IN THE MINDS OF THE
09/03/09 15:30:45 CITY COUNCIL AND THE MINDS OF
09/03/09 15:30:47 LAY PEOPLE, THAT INFORMATION IS
09/03/09 15:30:47 PROVIDED.
09/03/09 15:30:48 THE CONCERN THAT I HAVE THAT
09/03/09 15:30:52 WAS EXPRESSED TO ME THAT I WANT
09/03/09 15:30:55 TO SHARE WITH COUNCIL IS ONE
09/03/09 15:30:55 OF
09/03/09 15:30:57 THE STREAMLINING PROCESSES BY
09/03/09 15:30:59 NOT PROVIDING THE BUDGET
09/03/09 15:31:00 SUPPLEMENT, IT ALLOWS FOR
09/03/09 15:31:03 RESOLUTIONS THAT DO NO HAVE TO
09/03/09 15:31:05 BE PROVIDED TO CITY COUNCIL.
09/03/09 15:31:07 TO ME --MAYBE YOU'D LIKE TO
09/03/09 15:31:10 HAVE AN EXPLANATION OF THAT
09/03/09 15:31:13 BECAUSE FRANKLY, PERHAPS IT'S A
09/03/09 15:31:16 CONCERN WHICH HAS A
09/03/09 15:31:16 DIFFERENT
09/03/09 15:31:16 REMEDY.
09/03/09 15:31:18 IT'S INTERNALLY INCONSISTENT TO
09/03/09 15:31:20 SAY THAT IF YOU PROVIDE THAT
09/03/09 15:31:21 INFORMATION THEN YOU HAVE TO
09/03/09 15:31:23 KEEP COMING BACK TO COUNCIL AND
09/03/09 15:31:24 IF YOU DON'T PROVIDE THAT
09/03/09 15:31:25 INFORMATION THEN YOU DON'T HAVE
09/03/09 15:31:28 TO COME TO COUNCIL WITH THE
09/03/09 15:31:29 BUDGET TRANSFERS BUT UNDER THE
09/03/09 15:31:32 ASSUMPTION IT WAS NEVER PART OF
09/03/09 15:31:33 THE BUDGET TO BEGIN WITH SO YOU
09/03/09 15:31:36 SHOULD NEVER HAVE HAD
09/03/09 15:31:37 TO DO
09/03/09 15:31:37 THAT.
09/03/09 15:31:37 THERE'S AN INTERNAL
09/03/09 15:31:39 INCONSISTENCY WITH SHOWS THIS
09/03/09 15:31:42 IS PART OF THE BUDGET.
09/03/09 15:31:43 I DON'T FULLY UNDERSTAND THE
09/03/09 15:31:43 ISSUE.
09/03/09 15:31:45 WHAT I'M SAYING IS THERE'S A
09/03/09 15:31:48 BETTER RESOLUTION THAN THE LACK
09/03/09 15:31:51 OF INFORMATION PROVIDED
09/03/09 15:31:54 TO CITY
09/03/09 15:31:54 COUNCIL.
09/03/09 15:31:56 >> I'M SORRY.
09/03/09 15:31:59 WHICH GETS BACK TO THE REASON I
09/03/09 15:32:01 COMBINED IN THE FIRST PLACE.
09/03/09 15:32:03 IT WAS NOT TO DEVASTATING
09/03/09 15:32:05 NEWSUATE OR NOT COME FOR FUTURE
09/03/09 15:32:06 APPROVAL.
09/03/09 15:32:08 IT WAS TO MAKE A BETTER BUDGET
09/03/09 15:32:08 DOCUMENT.
09/03/09 15:32:11 WE ARE NOT TRYING TO BEHAVE IN
09/03/09 15:32:12 ANY MANNER DIFFERENTLY.
09/03/09 15:32:15 WE ARE STILL GOING TO BRING
09/03/09 15:32:17 THIS INFORMATION BEFORE YOU.
09/03/09 15:32:20 IT IS TO GET ONE DOCUMENT.
09/03/09 15:32:22 WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO REVIEW
09/03/09 15:32:23 BUDGET DOCUMENTS THROUGHOUT THE
09/03/09 15:32:25 COUNTRY AND NOBODY DOES A
09/03/09 15:32:26 BUDGET LIKE WE HAVE.
09/03/09 15:32:29 WE ARE TRYING TO MOVE
09/03/09 15:32:32 ON AND BE
09/03/09 15:32:32 MORE PROGRESSIVE.
09/03/09 15:32:32 OKAY.
09/03/09 15:32:33 WE'RE BEYOND THAT.
09/03/09 15:32:35 WE'RE NOT TRYING TO ALLEVIATE
09/03/09 15:32:37 ANY POWER OR ANY REVIEW THAT
09/03/09 15:32:40 YOU HAVE IN THIS PROCESS.
09/03/09 15:32:41 THAT WAS NOT THE INTENT.
09/03/09 15:32:44 FOR ANYONE TO ELUDES TO THE
09/03/09 15:32:47 FACT THAT WAS OUR SINISTER
09/03/09 15:32:50 REASON TO DOING THIS, I'M
09/03/09 15:32:50 OFFENDED.
09/03/09 15:32:52 THAT'S NOT WHAT WE WERE
09/03/09 15:32:53 PLANNING TO DO.
09/03/09 15:32:54 >> I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR
09/03/09 15:32:57 --IT COMES DOWN TO AN ISSUE OF
09/03/09 15:33:00 COMMUNICATION AND AN ISSUE OF
09/03/09 15:33:02 RESPECTING THE RESPECTIVE
09/03/09 15:33:02 ROLES.
09/03/09 15:33:03 IT MAY NOT HAVE BEEN THE
09/03/09 15:33:05 INTENT, BUT MY CONCERN IS IT
09/03/09 15:33:07 MAY HAVE BEEN THE AFFECT WHICH
09/03/09 15:33:10 IS WHY I BELIEVE IT'S A VERY
09/03/09 15:33:11 SERIOUS CONCERN.
09/03/09 15:33:14 I APPRECIATE THE ADMINISTRATION
09/03/09 15:33:17 WILLING TO ADDRESS
09/03/09 15:33:18 THIS.
09/03/09 15:33:20 THANK YOU MR. FLETCHER.
09/03/09 15:33:20 >> THANK YOU.
09/03/09 15:33:22 THERE'S THREE OF US THAT HAVE
09/03/09 15:33:25 BEEN HERE FOR SOME TIME ON AND
09/03/09 15:33:28 OFFER FOR DIFFERENT
09/03/09 15:33:29 THINGS.
09/03/09 15:33:31 THROUGHOUT ALL THE BUDGET
09/03/09 15:33:33 PROCESSES, WE ALWAYS GOT THREE
09/03/09 15:33:33 BOOKS.
09/03/09 15:33:36 I GOT THREE BOOKS IN THE
09/03/09 15:33:37 OFFICE
09/03/09 15:33:38 FROM LAST YEAR.
09/03/09 15:33:39 IN OTHER WORDS, WHAT I DID THE
09/03/09 15:33:42 FIND OUT WHAT WAS GOING ON I
09/03/09 15:33:44 MEASURED LAST YEAR'S BUDGET
09/03/09 15:33:45 WITH THIS YEAR'S BUDGET.
09/03/09 15:33:49 THE SAME BOOK, THE
09/03/09 15:33:51 NUMBERS ARE
09/03/09 15:33:52 DIFFERENT, BUT IT'S THE SAME
09/03/09 15:33:52 TOKEN.
09/03/09 15:33:53 WE'RE STARTING SOMETHING HERE
09/03/09 15:33:56 THAT I REALLY DON'T
09/03/09 15:33:58 WANT TO SEE
09/03/09 15:34:01 HAPPEN IN THIS GOVERNMENT.
09/03/09 15:34:01 I SEE SOME HEADS SHAKING.
09/03/09 15:34:04 BELIEVE ME, I DON'T KNOW WHAT
09/03/09 15:34:05 I'M TELLING YOU.
09/03/09 15:34:08 IT'S MY OPINION THAT I TAKE THE
09/03/09 15:34:09 WORD OF WHOEVER COMES THERE.
09/03/09 15:34:12 PEOPLE GET SWORN IN WHEN THEY
09/03/09 15:34:13 COME HERE TO TESTIFY.
09/03/09 15:34:17 WE'RE THE ONES THAT'S SUPPOSED
09/03/09 15:34:18 TO BE SWORN IN.
09/03/09 15:34:21 I TAKE
09/03/09 15:34:23 THE WORD.
09/03/09 15:34:26 A WORD IS A CONTRACT AND A
09/03/09 15:34:26 HANDSHAKE IS YOUR BOND.
09/03/09 15:34:28 I TAKE THAT BEFORE ANY CITY
09/03/09 15:34:29 OFFICIAL THAT COMES BEFORE ME.
09/03/09 15:34:32 IF THAT'S NOT THE CASE, I
09/03/09 15:34:33 WISH
09/03/09 15:34:35 THEM WELL SOMEWHERE ELSE
09/03/09 15:34:37 BECAUSE I BELIEVE IN THE SYSTEM
09/03/09 15:34:38 OF GOVERNMENT THAT WE HAVE.
09/03/09 15:34:40 I BELIEVE IN THE WORD OF A
09/03/09 15:34:42 PERSON WHEN THEY GIVE ME THAT
09/03/09 15:34:45 WORD AND
09/03/09 15:34:48 THAT WORD WILL RECEIVE
09/03/09 15:34:49 THE DAY.
09/03/09 15:34:50 DID THEY DO IT RIGHT OR WRONG?
09/03/09 15:34:52 I DON'T KNOW.
09/03/09 15:34:54 I'M IN THE GOING TO INVESTIGATE
09/03/09 15:34:55 IT EITHER.
09/03/09 15:34:56 DID THEY DO IT WITH INTENT?
09/03/09 15:34:57 I DON'T BELIEVE SO.
09/03/09 15:35:00 DID
09/03/09 15:35:03 THEY DO SOMETHING TO GET
09/03/09 15:35:06 SOMETHING
09/03/09 15:35:11 OUT FASTER?
09/03/09 15:35:12 I THINK SO.
09/03/09 15:35:13 WE'RE VERY PREDICTABLE.
09/03/09 15:35:14 THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS.
09/03/09 15:35:17 WE BECAME UNPREDICTABLE AND THE
09/03/09 15:35:18 RESULTS ARE DIFFERENT.
09/03/09 15:35:19 I MEAN THAT SINCERELY.
09/03/09 15:35:20 JUST MEASURE YOURSELF WHERE YOU
09/03/09 15:35:23 GO AND COME BACK, IT'S THE SAME
09/03/09 15:35:24 WAY 99% OF THE TIME.
09/03/09 15:35:27 THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO GET
09/03/09 15:35:28 ACROSS.
09/03/09 15:35:30 I'D LIKE TO MOVE ON.
09/03/09 15:35:33 I'M TIRED OF --NOT TIRED --
09/03/09 15:35:34 I
09/03/09 15:35:37 WANT GOOD REPORE AND
09/03/09 15:35:38 GOOD
09/03/09 15:35:38 RESULTS.
09/03/09 15:35:40 I THE NOT LIKE CONFRONTATIONS.
09/03/09 15:35:40 >> THANK YOU.
09/03/09 15:35:42 I AGREE WITH THAT.
09/03/09 15:35:45 I DO WANT TO SAY THIS THOUGH,
09/03/09 15:35:48 ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I TRY
09/03/09 15:35:51 NOT TO DO IS TAKE
09/03/09 15:35:52 THINGS
09/03/09 15:35:52 PERSONAL OR PERSONALIZE AN
09/03/09 15:35:53 ISSUE.
09/03/09 15:35:56 WE HAVE AN ISSUE THAT'S BEEN
09/03/09 15:35:56 ADDRESSED.
09/03/09 15:35:59 I THINK WE
09/03/09 15:36:03 NEED TO CODIFY AS
09/03/09 15:36:06 ONE.
09/03/09 15:36:09 I HAVE THE GREATEST
09/03/09 15:36:10 RESPECT FOR
09/03/09 15:36:11 MISS WISE BUT I DIDN'T HAVE THE
09/03/09 15:36:13 INFORMATION I NEED TO P ABLE TO
09/03/09 15:36:15 MAKE DECISIONS THAT I WANT TO
09/03/09 15:36:15 MAKE.
09/03/09 15:36:17 I RAISED TWO QUESTIONS TODAY
09/03/09 15:36:20 THAT WERE NOT IN THIS DOCUMENT.
09/03/09 15:36:21 THAT WAS POINTED OUT.
09/03/09 15:36:22 IS THAT RIGHT?
09/03/09 15:36:24 I RAISED TWO QUESTIONS TODAY.
09/03/09 15:36:25 THAT'S WHY I WANTED ADDITIONAL
09/03/09 15:36:28 INFORMATION TO BE ABLE TO MAKE
09/03/09 15:36:31 A GOOD DECISION AND
09/03/09 15:36:33 TO SEE ALL
09/03/09 15:36:34 THE INFORMATION.
09/03/09 15:36:36 IT IS NOT PERSON OR
09/03/09 15:36:36 PERSONALITY.
09/03/09 15:36:37 I SAID EARLIER, WE'RE ALL ON
09/03/09 15:36:39 THE SAME TEAM.
09/03/09 15:36:42 I HOPE THAT WE
09/03/09 15:36:44 CAN MOVE
09/03/09 15:36:44 FORWARD.
09/03/09 15:36:46 I WANT TO RESTATE MY MOTION.
09/03/09 15:36:49 >> LET'S
09/03/09 15:36:54 HEAR FROM MR. SMITH.
09/03/09 15:36:57 MR. SMITH.
09/03/09 15:36:58 >> DARRELL SMITH.
09/03/09 15:37:00 THIS WAS AN ATTEMPT TO IMPROVE
09/03/09 15:37:03 THE PROCESS AND MAKE IT USER
09/03/09 15:37:03 FRIENDLY.
09/03/09 15:37:05 THE FEEDBACK WE GOT IS YOUR
09/03/09 15:37:07 DESIRE IS NOT TO GO THERE.
09/03/09 15:37:09 YOUR DESIRE, I BELIEVE IS TO
09/03/09 15:37:11 CONTINUE THE PRACTICE THAT HAS
09/03/09 15:37:13 BEEN IN PLACE FOR MANY YEARS IN
09/03/09 15:37:17 THE CITY AND IT'S NO NO
09/03/09 15:37:17 CASE
09/03/09 15:37:18 REPRESENTS A MAJOR POLICY
09/03/09 15:37:18 SHIFT.
09/03/09 15:37:20 I SAY THAT AGAIN.
09/03/09 15:37:23 THIS IS
09/03/09 15:37:26 NOT A MAJOR POLICY
09/03/09 15:37:26 SHIFT.
09/03/09 15:37:29 WE TRIED TO
09/03/09 15:37:31 DO SOMETHING.
09/03/09 15:37:32 YOU PROVIDED FEEDBACK.
09/03/09 15:37:33 WE IMMEDIATELY RESPONDED.
09/03/09 15:37:34 I WOULD SUGGEST CONSIDERATION
09/03/09 15:37:36 AND THE ADMINISTRATION WILL
09/03/09 15:37:37 AGREE TO CONTINUE THE PRACTICE
09/03/09 15:37:40 THAT HAS BEEN IN PLACE IN THE
09/03/09 15:37:43 PAST WITH REGARD TO
09/03/09 15:37:46 SUBMITTING
09/03/09 15:37:49 THAT
09/03/09 15:37:52 INFORMATION
09/03/09 15:37:54 TO COUNCIL.
09/03/09 15:37:55 THANK YOU.
09/03/09 15:37:58 >> IN FLETCHER MR.
09/03/09 15:37:58 FLETCHER.
09/03/09 15:38:00 >> IT'S OUR OFFICE'S OPINION
09/03/09 15:38:02 THAT THE BUDGET TRANSMITTED ON
09/03/09 15:38:04 AUGUST 6th DID MEET THE CHARTER
09/03/09 15:38:04 REQUIREMENTS AND THAT'S
09/03/09 15:38:06 IMPORTANT THAT WE MAKE THAT
09/03/09 15:38:08 FINDING SO WE CAN CONTINUE
09/03/09 15:38:09 FORWARD WITH OUR HEARING
09/03/09 15:38:09 SCHEDULE.
09/03/09 15:38:11 WE BELIEVE IT DID MEET THAT
09/03/09 15:38:14 REQUIREMENT AND WE CAN GO
09/03/09 15:38:17 FORWARD WITH THE HEARING
09/03/09 15:38:18 SCHEDULE.
09/03/09 15:38:21 WHEN COUNCIL REQUESTED THE
09/03/09 15:38:22 ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, OUR
09/03/09 15:38:25 OFFICE MADE IT CLEAR YOU
09/03/09 15:38:30 HAD A
09/03/09 15:38:33 RIGHT TO THAT.
09/03/09 15:38:36 I WILL WORK WITH COUNCIL TO
09/03/09 15:38:38 MAKE SURE IT'S IN THE BUDGET.
09/03/09 15:38:40 WE CAN LOOK AT WHAT OTHER
09/03/09 15:38:43 LEGISLATIVE ACTION MIGHT BE
09/03/09 15:38:46 APPROPRIATE TO CREATE A PROCESS
09/03/09 15:38:47 THAT COUNCIL WANTS TO
09/03/09 15:38:49 ARTICULATE TO RESOLVE THIS
09/03/09 15:38:49 ISSUE GOING FORWARD.
09/03/09 15:38:51 I THINK THAT'S THE APPROPRIATE
09/03/09 15:38:54 MESSAGE TO GET THROUGH THE
09/03/09 15:38:57 CURRENT BUDGET PROCESS AND
09/03/09 15:39:03 PREPARE FOR THE 2011
09/03/09 15:39:06 BUDGET
09/03/09 15:39:07 PROCESS.
09/03/09 15:39:08 >> THANK YOU, MADAME CHAIR.
09/03/09 15:39:11 >> I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT WE
09/03/09 15:39:14 DON'T THINK YOU
09/03/09 15:39:15 INTENDED IN ANY
09/03/09 15:39:18 WAY TO MAKE --TO DO ANYTHING
09/03/09 15:39:21 TO PREVENT US
09/03/09 15:39:22 FROM HAVING
09/03/09 15:39:23 INFORMATION.
09/03/09 15:39:25 AS MR. SHELBY SAID THERE'S
09/03/09 15:39:27 SOMETIMES UNINTENDED
09/03/09 15:39:31 CONSEQUENCES AND
09/03/09 15:39:33 THAT WHAT
09/03/09 15:39:36 WE'RE AFRAID OF.
09/03/09 15:39:39 I WANT TOP READ THE
09/03/09 15:39:41 FIRST
09/03/09 15:39:41 SENTENCE FROM OUR CITY CHARTER.
09/03/09 15:39:43 I THINK THIS IS THE SENTENCE
09/03/09 15:39:46 THAT'S IMPORTANT TO
09/03/09 15:39:48 US TODAY.
09/03/09 15:39:51 NO MONEY MAY BE DISBURSED FROM
09/03/09 15:39:54 THE CITY TREASURY EXCEPT IN
09/03/09 15:39:56 PURSUANCE OF APPROPRIATION MADE
09/03/09 15:40:00 BY THE CITY
09/03/09 15:40:00 COUNCIL.
09/03/09 15:40:01 WE HAVE TO APPROVE EVERY
09/03/09 15:40:01 APPROPRIATION.
09/03/09 15:40:04 WE'RE TRYING TO DO THAT BY
09/03/09 15:40:06 INCLUDING EVERY DETAIL OF
09/03/09 15:40:09 POSSIBLE BUDGET FOR THE
09/03/09 15:40:12 NEXT
09/03/09 15:40:12 YEAR.
09/03/09 15:40:13 I SECOND MR. SCOTT'S MOTION.
09/03/09 15:40:14 >> RESTATE THE MOTION.
09/03/09 15:40:16 >> MY MOTION IS THE DOCUMENT
09/03/09 15:40:19 THAT YOU HAVE RECEIVED IN THE
09/03/09 15:40:22 PAST AND THE
09/03/09 15:40:25 REST OF THE ISSUE
09/03/09 15:40:27 IS FUTURISTIC, THAT THE BUDGET
09/03/09 15:40:28 SUPPLEMENT BE PROVIDED AS PART
09/03/09 15:40:31 OF THE BUDGET AND TAKE THE MEMO
09/03/09 15:40:34 THAT WAS ATTACHED AND
09/03/09 15:40:35 STRIKE
09/03/09 15:40:38 THAT AND PUT
09/03/09 15:40:39 ON THERE BUDGET
09/03/09 15:40:40 SUPPLEMENT AND GOING FORTH THE
09/03/09 15:40:42 ADMINISTRATION WILL CONTINUE TO
09/03/09 15:40:43 PROVIDE THAT BUDGET SUPPLEMENT
09/03/09 15:40:43 TO COUNCIL.
09/03/09 15:40:46 >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A
09/03/09 15:40:48 SECOND.
09/03/09 15:40:51 ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
09/03/09 15:40:51 >> AYE.
09/03/09 15:40:52 >> LET ME FOLLOW UP.
09/03/09 15:40:55 I WANT TO INSTRUCT THAT WE
09/03/09 15:40:57 ASK
09/03/09 15:40:59 THE CITY ATTORNEY TO LOOK AT
09/03/09 15:41:01 CHAPTER 2 OF THE CODE AND MAKE
09/03/09 15:41:04 SURE IT'S ALWAYS
09/03/09 15:41:06 PART OF THAT
09/03/09 15:41:07 DOCUMENT.
09/03/09 15:41:07 >> OKAY.
09/03/09 15:41:10 >> IT'S PUTTING IN
09/03/09 15:41:11 THE LANGUAGE
09/03/09 15:41:12 AND THAT THE LEGAL UNDERSTAND
09/03/09 15:41:15 WHAT THE MOTION IS ADD INTO
09/03/09 15:41:18 CHAPTER 2, THE CITY CODE WHERE
09/03/09 15:41:21 THE BUDGET DIRECTER WILL
09/03/09 15:41:22 PROVIDE COUNCIL SUPPLEMENT.
09/03/09 15:41:25 >> WE HAVE A MOTION.
09/03/09 15:41:28 ALL IN FAVOR SAY
09/03/09 15:41:29 AYE.
09/03/09 15:41:32 >> AYE.
09/03/09 15:41:32 >> OPPOSED?
09/03/09 15:41:33 ANYTHING ELSE ON BUDGET?
09/03/09 15:41:34 TURN IT BACK OVER THE YOU.
09/03/09 15:41:37 >> WE NEEDED TO
09/03/09 15:41:40 HAVE
09/03/09 15:41:43 THE
09/03/09 15:41:43 MERCURY REPORT, RIGHT?
09/03/09 15:41:46 >> YEAH.
09/03/09 15:41:48 >> GOOD AFTERNOON.
09/03/09 15:41:48 STEVE DAIGNAULT.
09/03/09 15:41:50 WE HAVE WITH US A
09/03/09 15:41:52 REPRESENTATIVE FROM MERCURY
09/03/09 15:41:54 ASSOCIATE WHO HAD WILL MAKE A
09/03/09 15:41:54 PRESENTATION.
09/03/09 15:41:57 I'D LIKE TO FRAME THAT IF I
09/03/09 15:41:57 COULD.
09/03/09 15:42:00 THE MERCURY FOLKS HAVE DONE
09/03/09 15:42:03 A
09/03/09 15:42:03 STUDY IN TWO PARTS FOR US.
09/03/09 15:42:06 THE FIRST PART HAS TO
09/03/09 15:42:09 DO WITH
09/03/09 15:42:11 RIGHT SIZES THE FLEET AND THE
09/03/09 15:42:14 SECOND PART HAS TO DO WITH
09/03/09 15:42:15 FUTURE PURCHASES, HOW WE
09/03/09 15:42:18 REPLACE OUR
09/03/09 15:42:19 FLEET IN THE
09/03/09 15:42:19 FUTURE.
09/03/09 15:42:20 THE REPRESENTATIVE TODAY WAS
09/03/09 15:42:22 INVOLVED IN THE RIGHT SIZING
09/03/09 15:42:25 PIECE AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE
09/03/09 15:42:25 GOING TO PRESENT TODAY.
09/03/09 15:42:27 THE SECOND PIECE, THE CITY HAS
09/03/09 15:42:29 NOT DETERMINED HOW WE WILL MOVE
09/03/09 15:42:29 FORWARD.
09/03/09 15:42:32 THERE'S A NUMBER OF WAYS AND
09/03/09 15:42:32 SUGGESTIONS.
09/03/09 15:42:33 WE'RE STILL WORKING WITH THE
09/03/09 15:42:34 MERCURY FOLKS ON DOING THAT.
09/03/09 15:42:37 WE HAVE TIME BEFORE WE
09/03/09 15:42:40 GET
09/03/09 15:42:41 INTO
09/03/09 15:42:41 THE PRESSURES FOR 2010.
09/03/09 15:42:44 THAT WILL P SOMETHING WE'D LIKE
09/03/09 15:42:47 TO DISCUSS IN THE FUTURE.
09/03/09 15:42:50 I'M LIKE TO PRODUCE GARY
09/03/09 15:42:50 HATFIELD.
09/03/09 15:42:51 HE'S A SENIOR MANAGER.
09/03/09 15:42:52 HE HAS OVER 3 YEARS EXPERIENCE
09/03/09 15:42:55 IN THE FLEET INDUSTRY.
09/03/09 15:42:57 HE HAS 25 YEARS AS A FLEET
09/03/09 15:43:00 MANAGER AND 15 YEARS
09/03/09 15:43:03 IN FLEET
09/03/09 15:43:04 MANAGEMENT CONSULTING.
09/03/09 15:43:04 GARY.
09/03/09 15:43:05 APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE.
09/03/09 15:43:08 >> THAT ADDS UP TO ABOUT
09/03/09 15:43:14 40
09/03/09 15:43:14 YEARS.
09/03/09 15:43:16 I'M AN OLD GUY.
09/03/09 15:43:17 I'VE BEEN IN FLEET FOREVER.
09/03/09 15:43:17 GOOD AFTERNOON.
09/03/09 15:43:20 IF WE COULD HAVE THE
09/03/09 15:43:22 SLIDE
09/03/09 15:43:22 PRESENTATION, PLEASE.
09/03/09 15:43:24 JUST LIKE TO START OUT AND
09/03/09 15:43:26 MAYBE AS A MATTER OF
09/03/09 15:43:28 ACCOMPLISHING OUR CREDENTIALS,
09/03/09 15:43:31 TELL YOU A BIT
09/03/09 15:43:34 ABOUT MERCURY
09/03/09 15:43:34 ASSOCIATES.
09/03/09 15:43:37 WE'RE A SMALL BUSINESS
09/03/09 15:43:40 IN
09/03/09 15:43:41 MARYLAND.
09/03/09 15:43:44 WE SPECIALIZE IN FLEET
09/03/09 15:43:45 MANAGEMENT.
09/03/09 15:43:48 WE HAVE
09/03/09 15:43:50 DONE HUNDREDS OF
09/03/09 15:43:50 STUDIES.
09/03/09 15:43:53 THIS IS ANNOYER THAT WE
09/03/09 15:43:55 DEFINITELY SPECIALIZE IN AND
09/03/09 15:43:58 IT'S PROTECTICALLY
09/03/09 15:43:59 OUR ONLY
09/03/09 15:43:59 BUSINESS.
09/03/09 15:44:02 WE DO IT NOT ONLY IN THE UNITED
09/03/09 15:44:05 STATES BUT
09/03/09 15:44:09 THROUGHOUT NORTH
09/03/09 15:44:10 AMERICA AND OVERSEAS.
09/03/09 15:44:11 WE'RE PLEASED TO HAVE THIS
09/03/09 15:44:13 OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH THE
09/03/09 15:44:15 CITY OF TAMPA.
09/03/09 15:44:18 WE HAVE COMPLETED SIMILAR
09/03/09 15:44:21 STUDIES FOR SAN FRANCISCO AND
09/03/09 15:44:21 HILLSBORO COUNTY.
09/03/09 15:44:23 I'M CURRENTLY WORKING ON A
09/03/09 15:44:26 PROJECT SIMILAR IN SCOPE
09/03/09 15:44:31 FOR
09/03/09 15:44:34 THE U.S. STATE DEPARTMENT.
09/03/09 15:44:34 NEXT SLIDE.
09/03/09 15:44:37 I'LL TELL YOU A
09/03/09 15:44:42 LITTLE BIT
09/03/09 15:44:45 ABOUT THE PROCESS.
09/03/09 15:44:47 FIRST OF ALL, THE TOTAL SIZE OF
09/03/09 15:44:50 THE FLEET AND CITY OF TAMPA IS
09/03/09 15:44:53 AROUND 3200 VEHICLES
09/03/09 15:44:54 AND PIECES
09/03/09 15:44:55 OF EQUIPMENT.
09/03/09 15:44:56 HOWEVER, THE CITY CHOSE TO
09/03/09 15:44:58 EXCLUDE CERTAIN GROUPS OF
09/03/09 15:45:01 VEHICLES INCLUDING POLICE
09/03/09 15:45:07 PATROL
09/03/09 15:45:10 CARS AND FIRE APPARATUS.
09/03/09 15:45:13 WE EXCLUDED
09/03/09 15:45:17 TRANSIT VEHICLES
09/03/09 15:45:18 AND CITY VEHICLES.
09/03/09 15:45:22 THE SCOPE OF THE STUDY
09/03/09 15:45:22 INCLUDED
09/03/09 15:45:24 ABOUT 1522 VEHICLES AND PIECES
09/03/09 15:45:27 OF EQUIPMENT
09/03/09 15:45:33 O