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Tampa City Council
Thursday, September 24, 2009
9:00 a.m.

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09/24/09 09:07:14 >>> GOOD MORNING.
09/24/09 09:07:16 TAMPA CITY COUNCIL WILL COME TO
09/24/09 09:07:16 ORDER.
09/24/09 09:07:18 >> IT IS MY HONOR TO INTRODUCE
09/24/09 09:07:21 OUR GUEST GOING TO
09/24/09 09:07:24 DO THE
09/24/09 09:07:24 INVOCATION.
09/24/09 09:07:27 INCLUDING BOTH ST.
09/24/09 09:07:30 PAUL
09/24/09 09:07:33 LUTHERAN CHURCH AND SECOND
09/24/09 09:07:36 LOOK, PASTOR
09/24/09 09:07:39 SERVED IN
09/24/09 09:07:42 THE
09/24/09 09:07:45 ARMS, EMT, RADIATION,
09/24/09 09:07:46 SAFETY
09/24/09 09:07:47 OFFICER, PEDIATRICS, AND SAFETY
09/24/09 09:07:47 OFFICER.
09/24/09 09:07:50 HE IS AN EXPERT IN
09/24/09 09:07:53 NUCLEAR
09/24/09 09:07:56 AND
09/24/09 09:07:57 CHEMICAL CASUALTY
09/24/09 09:07:58 DECONTAMINATION AND HAS TAUGHT
09/24/09 09:08:00 NUCLEAR MEDICINE TECHNOLOGY IN
09/24/09 09:08:03 THE NAVY AND
09/24/09 09:08:04 AT GEORGE
09/24/09 09:08:06 WASHINGTON UNIVERSITY.
09/24/09 09:08:08 REVEREND STRONG WORKED IN THE
09/24/09 09:08:11 SECTION OF THE US
09/24/09 09:08:12 EMBASSY IN
09/24/09 09:08:12 KOREA.
09/24/09 09:08:15 HE SERVED AS
09/24/09 09:08:17 A YOUTH DIRECTOR
09/24/09 09:08:18 WITH THE LUTHERAN SOCIAL
09/24/09 09:08:20 SERVICES AND SERVED AS A JAIL
09/24/09 09:08:23 CHAPLAIN, WORKED AT ORLANDO
09/24/09 09:08:26 LUTHERAN ACADEMY AND HAS HAD 12
09/24/09 09:08:29 YEARS EXPERIENCE
09/24/09 09:08:31 IN VARIOUS
09/24/09 09:08:33 MINISTRIES.
09/24/09 09:08:36 PASS STORE STRONG IS
09/24/09 09:08:36 PURSUING A
09/24/09 09:08:37 DEGREE AT LUTHERAN CEMETERY.
09/24/09 09:08:40 HE WAS BORN IN NEW
09/24/09 09:08:40 YORK CITY,
09/24/09 09:08:43 RAISED IN NEW YORK, NEW YORK.
09/24/09 09:08:45 HE MARRIED HIS HIGH SCHOOL
09/24/09 09:08:48 SWEET HEART AND THEY ARE THE
09/24/09 09:08:51 PARENTS OF THREE SONS AND
09/24/09 09:08:54 GRANDPARENTS OF
09/24/09 09:08:55 6
09/24/09 09:08:55 GRANDCHILDREN.
09/24/09 09:08:55 PASTOR STRONG.
09/24/09 09:08:58 >> IT IS
09/24/09 09:08:59 AN HONOR.
09/24/09 09:09:02 BUT IT IS STRAW
09/24/09 09:09:05 WITH AN N. WITH
09/24/09 09:09:08 A REVERENT HEART, WE REMEMBER
09/24/09 09:09:11 THE WORDS OF
09/24/09 09:09:13 FRED ROGERS, FROM
09/24/09 09:09:14 MR. ROGERS NEIGHBOURHOOD, WON'T
09/24/09 09:09:17 YOU
09/24/09 09:09:20 BE MY NEIGHBOR.
09/24/09 09:09:22 WITH A HEART WE WANT THE BEST
09/24/09 09:09:23 FOR EVERY PERSON.
09/24/09 09:09:25 ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO FOSTER
09/24/09 09:09:27 THE INTELLECT AND SPIRIT AND
09/24/09 09:09:28 EMOTIONAL GROWTH OF OUR HUMAN
09/24/09 09:09:31 BEING, THAT IS
09/24/09 09:09:31 OUR JOB HERE.
09/24/09 09:09:35 THOSE OF US HERE AT
09/24/09 09:09:35 THIS
09/24/09 09:09:36 PARTICULAR PLACE HAVE THIS
09/24/09 09:09:38 PARTICULAR VISION AND WE MUST
09/24/09 09:09:41 CONTINUE IT AGAINST ALL
09/24/09 09:09:41 ODDS,
09/24/09 09:09:43 LIFE IS FOR SERVICE, SO BE WITH
09/24/09 09:09:46 US NOW AS WE GATHER TO SERVE
09/24/09 09:09:48 FOR THE GOOD OF ALL THE PEOPLE
09/24/09 09:09:51 IN THIS GREAT CITY OF
09/24/09 09:09:54 TAMPA,
09/24/09 09:09:56 AMEN.
09/24/09 09:09:56 >> AMEN.
09/24/09 09:09:58 >> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE
09/24/09 09:10:00 FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF
09/24/09 09:10:03 AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR
09/24/09 09:10:06 WHICH IT STANDS ONE
09/24/09 09:10:10 NATION
09/24/09 09:10:11 UNDER GOOD, INVINCIBLE, WITH
09/24/09 09:10:13 LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
09/24/09 09:10:14 >>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09/24/09 09:10:17 WE WILL HAVE ROLL
09/24/09 09:10:18 CALL.
09/24/09 09:10:19 >> CAETANO.
09/24/09 09:10:22 >> HERE.
09/24/09 09:10:22 >> SAUL-SENA.
09/24/09 09:10:24 >> HERE.
09/24/09 09:10:25 >> DINGFELDER.
09/24/09 09:10:28 >>
09/24/09 09:10:28 HERE.
09/24/09 09:10:31 >>
09/24/09 09:10:33 SCOTT.
09/24/09 09:10:34 >> HERE.
09/24/09 09:10:34 >> MIRANDA.
09/24/09 09:10:34 >> HERE.
09/24/09 09:10:37 >> WE WILL TURN IT OVER
09/24/09 09:10:41 TO THE
09/24/09 09:10:42 COUNCILMEMBER NOW.
09/24/09 09:10:45 >> WOULD CHIEF
09/24/09 09:10:48 JONES
09/24/09 09:10:50 AND WOODS
09/24/09 09:10:53 PLEASE
09/24/09 09:10:56 COME UP.
09/24/09 09:10:59 >>> GOOD MORNING IT
09/24/09 09:11:01 IS AN HONOR
09/24/09 09:11:04 TO HAVE REPRESENT US
09/24/09 09:11:04 THIS
09/24/09 09:11:06 MORNING OUR FIREFIGHTER FOR THE
09/24/09 09:11:08 QUARTER IS A DRIVER ENGINEER.
09/24/09 09:11:10 I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY DRIVER
09/24/09 09:11:13 BUT A DRIVER ENGINEER,
09/24/09 09:11:13 THAT IS
09/24/09 09:11:14 DOUG WOODS.
09/24/09 09:11:16 I WILL TURN IT OVER TO CHIEF
09/24/09 09:11:19 JONES TO TELL YOU THE GOOD
09/24/09 09:11:21 THINGS ABOUT HIM.
09/24/09 09:11:22 >> THANK YOU.
09/24/09 09:11:23 WE AAPPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT YOU
09/24/09 09:11:25 GIVE TO US THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.
09/24/09 09:11:28 IT IS OUR HONOR TO STAND
09/24/09 09:11:29 BEFORE
09/24/09 09:11:31 YOU AND RECOGNIZE OUR
09/24/09 09:11:32 FIREFIGHTER OF THE QUARTER.
09/24/09 09:11:35 HE IS JOINED
09/24/09 09:11:37 BY HIS WIFE MONICA
09/24/09 09:11:40 AND HIS TWO
09/24/09 09:11:43 SONS JACKSON AND
09/24/09 09:11:43 HAYDN.
09/24/09 09:11:45 THEY ARE BOTH BALLPLAYERS [
09/24/09 09:11:45 APPLAUSE ]
09/24/09 09:11:48 >> I WOULD LIKE
09/24/09 09:11:49 TO RECOGNIZE
09/24/09 09:11:52 DRIVER WOODS AS DRIVER
09/24/09 09:11:53 OF THE
09/24/09 09:11:56 QUARTER DOUG, HAS BEEN
09/24/09 09:11:58 A MEMBER
09/24/09 09:12:00 OF TAMPA FIRE SINCE 1995.
09/24/09 09:12:03 HE IS
09/24/09 09:12:05 A CERTIFIED PARAMEDIC,
09/24/09 09:12:08 URBAN SEARCH AND RESCUE
09/24/09 09:12:10 ASSIGNED TO TASK FORCE 3. HE IS
09/24/09 09:12:13 VERY ACTIVE WITH
09/24/09 09:12:14 THE CREW OF
09/24/09 09:12:17 ST. FLORIAN WHERE HE
09/24/09 09:12:17 HOLDS
09/24/09 09:12:18 POSITION OF PRESIDENT.
09/24/09 09:12:21 THE CREW BRINGS
09/24/09 09:12:22 CHALLENGES TO
09/24/09 09:12:24 THE PLATE FOR DOUG.
09/24/09 09:12:27 HE IS VERY INVOLVED
09/24/09 09:12:28 WITH THE
09/24/09 09:12:28 COMMUNITY.
09/24/09 09:12:31 HE SPEAR HEADED EVENTS
09/24/09 09:12:33 SUCH AS
09/24/09 09:12:34 TWO FIREFIGHTER AUCTIONS.
09/24/09 09:12:37 READS FOR BEADS WITH A
09/24/09 09:12:37 LOCAL
09/24/09 09:12:39 ELEMENTARY SCHOOL TO ENCOURAGE
09/24/09 09:12:41 READING AWARENESS AND AN EVENT
09/24/09 09:12:44 TO RAISE MONEY AND BOOKS
09/24/09 09:12:44 TO
09/24/09 09:12:46 PURCHASE BOOKS FOR ANOTHER
09/24/09 09:12:49 ELEMENTARY SCHOOL WHO LOST
09/24/09 09:12:52 THEIR LIBRARY DUE TO A ROOF
09/24/09 09:12:52 LEAK.
09/24/09 09:12:54 HE ORGANIZED THE CREW TO PAINT
09/24/09 09:12:56 A HOUSE IN WEST TAMPA IN
09/24/09 09:12:58 PREPARATION FOR THE SUPER BOWL
09/24/09 09:13:00 THIS PAST YEAR AND PAST
09/24/09 09:13:03 PRESIDENT OF
09/24/09 09:13:05 FIRE MAN'S
09/24/09 09:13:06 BENEVOLENT ASSOCIATION.
09/24/09 09:13:09 DOING ALL THIS TIME
09/24/09 09:13:09 CONSUMING
09/24/09 09:13:11 WORK IS THANKLESS, IT LEAVES
09/24/09 09:13:12 LITTLE TIME TO SPEND WITH HIS
09/24/09 09:13:14 FAMILY BUT HE WAS AT THE
09/24/09 09:13:16 BALLPARK COACHING HIS SON'S
09/24/09 09:13:17 TEAM LAST NIGHT.
09/24/09 09:13:20 HE IS THE GO TO PERSON WHEN
09/24/09 09:13:21 IT
09/24/09 09:13:22 COMES TO ORGANIZATIONAL
09/24/09 09:13:24 IMPLEMENTATION WHEN IT COMES TO
09/24/09 09:13:26 CHARITY EVENTS.
09/24/09 09:13:30 I AM HONORED
09/24/09 09:13:31 TO RECOGNIZE
09/24/09 09:13:32 FIREFIGHTER ENGINEER DOUG WOODS
09/24/09 09:13:35 AS FIREFIGHTER
09/24/09 09:13:38 OF THE QUARTER [
09/24/09 09:13:39 APPLAUSE ]
09/24/09 09:13:43 >> DRIVER ENGINEER
09/24/09 09:13:44 DOUG, ON
09/24/09 09:13:47 BEHALF OF
09/24/09 09:13:47 TAMPA CITY COUNCIL.
09/24/09 09:13:50 I AM NOT
09/24/09 09:13:51 GOING TO READ THE
09/24/09 09:13:54 COMMENDATION BECAUSE OF ALL THE
09/24/09 09:13:55 GOOD THINGS SAID.
09/24/09 09:13:58 >> I HAVE ONE FROM
09/24/09 09:13:58 CHARLIE'S
09/24/09 09:13:58 STEAK HOUSE.
09/24/09 09:14:01 IF YOU COME AROUND THIS
09/24/09 09:14:02 WAY.
09/24/09 09:14:03 >> ALL RIGHT.
09/24/09 09:14:03 ALL RIGHT.
09/24/09 09:14:06 >> WE HAVE SOME
09/24/09 09:14:08 GOOD THINGS.
09/24/09 09:14:11 >> OUR ADDRESS
09/24/09 09:14:14 IS 5815 NORTH.
09/24/09 09:14:15 >> THANKS.
09/24/09 09:14:17 >> CONGRATULATIONS SIR.
09/24/09 09:14:19 >> A BRAND NEW FUSION HYBRID
09/24/09 09:14:22 WAITING FOR YOU.
09/24/09 09:14:25 GO PICK UP YOUR
09/24/09 09:14:25 FUSION HYBRID.
09/24/09 09:14:28 [ LAUGHTER
09/24/09 09:14:29 ]
09/24/09 09:14:31 >> CONGRATULATIONS.
09/24/09 09:14:33 THIS IS FOR YOU.
09/24/09 09:14:36 >> THANK YOU.
09/24/09 09:14:37 THANK YOU.
09/24/09 09:14:37 >> CONGRATULATIONS.
09/24/09 09:14:40 >> TOM WAGNER ON
09/24/09 09:14:42 BEHALF OF
09/24/09 09:14:43 FLORIDA AQUARIUM AN ANNUAL
09/24/09 09:14:46 MEMBERSHIP IF YOU USE IT
09/24/09 09:14:47 BY
09/24/09 09:14:50 THIS WEEKEND YOU CAN SEE THE
09/24/09 09:14:53 WEE CAN I WITH A
09/24/09 09:14:55 CHIEF MERMAIDS
09/24/09 09:14:58 PERFORM
09/24/09 09:14:59 --WEEKI WATCHI MERMAIDS
09/24/09 09:14:59 PERFORM.
09/24/09 09:15:01 >> WE WOULD LIKE TO OFFER THIS
09/24/09 09:15:03 STATUE TO YOU FOR A JOB WELL
09/24/09 09:15:03 DONE.
09/24/09 09:15:04 YOU WANT TO HOLD THAT.
09/24/09 09:15:05 >> THANK YOU.
09/24/09 09:15:08 >> WE ALSO HAVE A GIFT
09/24/09 09:15:10 CERTIFICATE TO LEE ROY'S.
09/24/09 09:15:13 >>
09/24/09 09:15:16 THANK
09/24/09 09:15:16 YOU.
09/24/09 09:15:16 THANK YOU.
09/24/09 09:15:19 >> DOUG MY NAME IS MARTY I OWN
09/24/09 09:15:20 ISLAND FLOWERS THESE ARE NOT
09/24/09 09:15:22 FOR YOU THESE ARE FOR THE
09/24/09 09:15:25 MISSUS WHO MAKES IT ALL
09/24/09 09:15:25 POSSIBLE.
09/24/09 09:15:26 >> THANK YOU.
09/24/09 09:15:28 >> GOOD MORNING COUNCIL.
09/24/09 09:15:31 GOOD MORNING I AM
09/24/09 09:15:33 MICHELLE FROM
09/24/09 09:15:35 OUR MORAL SERVICE.
09/24/09 09:15:36 CONGRATULATIONS HERE IS A GIFT
09/24/09 09:15:39 CARD FOR THE FAMILY TO
09/24/09 09:15:40 GO TO
09/24/09 09:15:40 DILLARDS.
09/24/09 09:15:43 >> I LIKE YOUR HATS BY THE
09/24/09 09:15:43 WAY.
09/24/09 09:15:45 >> THANK YOU.
09/24/09 09:15:46 >> YOU SEEN THEM?
09/24/09 09:15:46 THEY ARE GREAT.
09/24/09 09:15:49 >> I HAVE A QUESTION
09/24/09 09:15:49 FOR THE
09/24/09 09:15:50 GUYS.
09/24/09 09:15:53 DO YOU MAKE FACES WHEN
09/24/09 09:15:54 YOU TAKE
09/24/09 09:15:54 PICTURES?
09/24/09 09:15:54 FAMILY PORTRAITS?
09/24/09 09:15:55 YOU CAN ONLY DO THAT ONE TIME
09/24/09 09:15:58 WHEN YOU GO TO GET YOUR
09/24/09 09:16:02 PICTURES TAKEN.
09/24/09 09:16:03 HOW'S THAT?
09/24/09 09:16:04 >> YEAH.
09/24/09 09:16:06 >> AND WHEN YOU GO OVER TO
09/24/09 09:16:07 BURNS IS YOUR MOM AND DAD GOING
09/24/09 09:16:09 TO TAKE YOU THERE TOO?
09/24/09 09:16:12 >> NO WAY.
09/24/09 09:16:12 >> YES.
09/24/09 09:16:13 [ LAUGHTER ]
09/24/09 09:16:16 >> BUT THEY CAN TAKE
09/24/09 09:16:17 YOU TO
09/24/09 09:16:18 RIGATONI'S HOW IS THAT?
09/24/09 09:16:20 >> ON BEHALF OF ALL SPONSORS WE
09/24/09 09:16:22 APPRECIATE WITH A YOU HAVE DONE
09/24/09 09:16:24 FOR US AND THE CITY AND ALL THE
09/24/09 09:16:25 CITIZENS MAKING THIS A BETTER
09/24/09 09:16:26 PLACE TO LIVE AND WORK.
09/24/09 09:16:28 WE HAVE A T-SHIRT.
09/24/09 09:16:29 IT WON'T FIT YOU GUYS.
09/24/09 09:16:32 IT IS EITHER MOM OR DAD'S.
09/24/09 09:16:33 >> PROBABLY MOM.
09/24/09 09:16:36 >> THANK
09/24/09 09:16:36 YOU.
09/24/09 09:16:37 >> CONGRATULATIONS.
09/24/09 09:16:40 >> THANK YOU, SIR [
09/24/09 09:16:43 APPLAUSE ]
09/24/09 09:16:44 >> ALL RIGHT.
09/24/09 09:16:44 >> THANK YOU.
09/24/09 09:16:46 I WOULD LIKE TO RECOGNIZE MY
09/24/09 09:16:49 FAMILY AND SAY THAT I REALLY
09/24/09 09:16:49 AM
09/24/09 09:16:49 OVERWHELMED BY THIS.
09/24/09 09:16:52 ONE THING I WANT TO RECOGNIZE
09/24/09 09:16:55 IS THE FACT THAT I DON'T DO
09/24/09 09:16:55 THIS ALONE.
09/24/09 09:16:58 I HAVE A HUGE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE
09/24/09 09:16:58 BEHIND ME.
09/24/09 09:17:00 IT IS AMAZING HOW EASY IT IS TO
09/24/09 09:17:03 GET PEOPLE TO HELP WHEN A CAUSE
09/24/09 09:17:03 IS WORTHY.
09/24/09 09:17:06 THE GUYS AT THE FIRE STATION, I
09/24/09 09:17:07 HAVE KEITH FROM MEDEVAC WHO
09/24/09 09:17:10 PUTS UP WITH A LOT OF PHONE
09/24/09 09:17:11 CALLS, PEOPLE CALLING ME
09/24/09 09:17:12 WANTING TO DO THINGS.
09/24/09 09:17:15 MY WIFE, MY KIDS, EVERYBODY.
09/24/09 09:17:17 I WOULD LIKE TO THANK YOU GUYS
09/24/09 09:17:17 FOR.
09/24/09 09:17:19 THE I AM OVERWHELMED.
09/24/09 09:17:22 I THANK CHIEF
09/24/09 09:17:23 JONES ALSO.
09/24/09 09:17:26 THANK YOU [
09/24/09 09:17:29 APPLAUSE
09/24/09 09:17:29 ]
09/24/09 09:17:32 >> THANK YOU VERY
09/24/09 09:17:35 MUCH AND
09/24/09 09:17:38 CONGRATULATIONS.
09/24/09 09:17:53 >> NEXT PRESENTATION
09/24/09 09:17:54 DONE BY
09/24/09 09:17:54 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
09/24/09 09:17:57 THE NEXT
09/24/09 09:18:03 TWO PRESENTATIONS.
09/24/09 09:18:21 >> GOOD MORNING
09/24/09 09:18:23 COUNCIL.
09/24/09 09:18:23 >> GOOD MORNING.
09/24/09 09:18:26 IT IS SUCH AN HONOR FOR ME TO
09/24/09 09:18:29 BE STANDING HERE WITH
09/24/09 09:18:32 THESE
09/24/09 09:18:35 FINE FOLKS.
09/24/09 09:18:39 ANY MORE?
09/24/09 09:18:42 NONE?
09/24/09 09:18:44 BOB CONAN.
09/24/09 09:18:47 THIS IS ONE OF THOSE
09/24/09 09:18:50 HAPPY AND
09/24/09 09:18:52 SAD DAYS.
09/24/09 09:18:55 WE
09/24/09 09:18:58 HAVE
09/24/09 09:19:01 ASSISTANT CHIEF BOB
09/24/09 09:19:04 G
09/24/09 09:19:05 U
09/24/09 09:19:07 IDARA AND HOGUE RETIRING.
09/24/09 09:19:09 WE WANT TO HONOR THEM IN OUR
09/24/09 09:19:10 LITTLE WAY.
09/24/09 09:19:11 WE WILL START WITH BOB.
09/24/09 09:19:14 I WILL TELL YOU WHAT
09/24/09 09:19:15 I HAVE
09/24/09 09:19:18 LEARNED ABOUT
09/24/09 09:19:19 BOB.
09/24/09 09:19:22 CHIEF G
09/24/09 09:19:23 UIDARA EARNED HIS
09/24/09 09:19:26 DEGREE UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA
09/24/09 09:19:28 AND
09/24/09 09:19:29 GRADUATE OF PRESTIGIOUS
09/24/09 09:19:32 SOUTHERN POLICE INSTITUTE
09/24/09 09:19:34 WHERE
09/24/09 09:19:37 HE
09/24/09 09:19:38 EARNED DEAN SCHOLAR.
09/24/09 09:19:41 HE BEGAN IN 78 FOLLOWING A
09/24/09 09:19:42 STINT AT THE AIRFORCE.
09/24/09 09:19:45 HE SERVED IN MANY CAPACITIES
09/24/09 09:19:48 INCLUDING ALL THREE
09/24/09 09:19:48 PATROL
09/24/09 09:19:48 DISTRICTS.
09/24/09 09:19:50 ADMINISTRATION AND SPECIAL
09/24/09 09:19:50 OPENS.
09/24/09 09:19:53 HE WAS A FORMER COMMANDER
09/24/09 09:19:54 OF
09/24/09 09:19:54 THE QUAD SQUAD.
09/24/09 09:19:56 AS DISTRICT COMMANDER HE WAS
09/24/09 09:19:58 RECOGNIZED FOR THE PIVOTAL ROLE
09/24/09 09:20:01 HE HAS PLAYED LEADING
09/24/09 09:20:02 THE CITY
09/24/09 09:20:03 REDUCING CRIME.
09/24/09 09:20:06 HE OVER SAW ALMOST
09/24/09 09:20:07 EVERY ASPECT
09/24/09 09:20:10 OF TPDs COMMANDS AND MANAGED
09/24/09 09:20:11 THE MULTIMILLION DOLLAR BUDGET
09/24/09 09:20:14 WITH EFFICIENCY AND CLARITY OF
09/24/09 09:20:14 PURPOSE.
09/24/09 09:20:16 WHEN I ASKED AROUND TO
09/24/09 09:20:17 DIFFERENT FOLKS THE THINGS I
09/24/09 09:20:20 HEARD WAS THAT BOB
09/24/09 09:20:21 WAS
09/24/09 09:20:21 EXTREMELY INTELLIGENT,
09/24/09 09:20:24 EFFICIENT AND LOYAL TO
09/24/09 09:20:25 HIS
09/24/09 09:20:25 CHIEF.
09/24/09 09:20:28 TAMPA CITY
09/24/09 09:20:29 COUNCIL RECOGNIZES
09/24/09 09:20:30 THE OUTSTANDING YEARS OF
09/24/09 09:20:32 SERVICE THAT YOU HAVE GIVEN US,
09/24/09 09:20:34 OUR CITY WITH YOUR LEADERSHIP,
09/24/09 09:20:35 WISDOM AND WE WISH YOU GOOD
09/24/09 09:20:38 LUCK IN
09/24/09 09:20:40 YOUR REQUIREMENT.
09/24/09 09:20:43 [
09/24/09 09:20:45 APPLAUSE ]
09/24/09 09:20:48 >> THE CHIEF IS GOING TO SAY
09/24/09 09:20:48 A
09/24/09 09:20:49 FEW WORDS ABOUT BOB BEFORE WE
09/24/09 09:20:51 ROAST THE CHIEF.
09/24/09 09:20:53 >> THANK YOU.
09/24/09 09:20:55 WE APPRECIATE THIS RECOGNITION
09/24/09 09:20:58 FOR SURE AND I HAVE KNOWN BOB
09/24/09 09:20:59 HIS WHOLE CAREER.
09/24/09 09:21:01 HE CAME ON TO THE SQUAD THAT I
09/24/09 09:21:04 WAS ON WHEN HE STARTED
09/24/09 09:21:04 THE
09/24/09 09:21:07 POLICE DEPARTMENT SO HE HAS
09/24/09 09:21:10 BEEN A PERFORMER FROM DAY ONE,
09/24/09 09:21:11 BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY A GOOD
09/24/09 09:21:13 FRIEND TO ME AND SOME BODY THAT
09/24/09 09:21:16 I PLAN ON STAYING IN TOUCH WITH
09/24/09 09:21:19 EVEN BEYOND
09/24/09 09:21:20 OUR RETIREMENT.
09/24/09 09:21:23 BOB JUST HAD AN ILL LOS
09/24/09 09:21:25 INDUSTRY YOWS CAREER.
09/24/09 09:21:27 ASSISTANT CHIEF OF POLICE,
09/24/09 09:21:29 REACHED HIGH LEVELS AND FOR
09/24/09 09:21:29 GOOD REASON.
09/24/09 09:21:31 IT WASN'T LUCK IT WAS
09/24/09 09:21:31 PERFORMANCE.
09/24/09 09:21:34 HE HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE
09/24/09 09:21:34 PERSON
09/24/09 09:21:36 THAT WE'VE SELECTED WHEN THERE
09/24/09 09:21:38 WAS A DIFFICULT JOB TO DO AND
09/24/09 09:21:40 WE NEEDED IT DONE BETTER THAN
09/24/09 09:21:41 YOU WOULD DO IT YOURSELF.
09/24/09 09:21:43 HE IS THAT KIND OF INDIVIDUAL
09/24/09 09:21:45 AND HAS BEEN HIS WHOLE CAREER
09/24/09 09:21:47 THAT IS WHY HE HAS PROGRESSED
09/24/09 09:21:48 UP THROUGH THIS ORGANIZATION.
09/24/09 09:21:50 YOU KNOW WE'VE HAD A LOT OF
09/24/09 09:21:52 SUCCESS AT THE POLICE
09/24/09 09:21:53 DEPARTMENT THE LAST SIX YEARS
09/24/09 09:21:56 AND A LOT
09/24/09 09:21:59 OF THAT IS
09/24/09 09:22:02 ATTRIBUTABLE
09/24/09 09:22:03 TO BOB GUIDARA.
09/24/09 09:22:06 WE HAVE HEARD THE TEAM FOCUS
09/24/09 09:22:06 ON
09/24/09 09:22:06 FOUR.
09/24/09 09:22:09 HE IS THE ONE
09/24/09 09:22:11 --TERM FOCUS ON
09/24/09 09:22:11 FOUR.
09/24/09 09:22:14 HE IS THE ONE WHO CAME UP WITH
09/24/09 09:22:14 THAT.
09/24/09 09:22:16 HE THOUGHT IT UP AND
09/24/09 09:22:17 IMPLEMENTED IT FIRST IN EAST
09/24/09 09:22:20 TAMPA WHEN HE WAS THE DIVISION
09/24/09 09:22:21 COMMANDER OUT THERE WHERE HE
09/24/09 09:22:22 MADE SIGNIFICANT GAINS IN
09/24/09 09:22:24 REDUCING CRIME IN THAT AREA.
09/24/09 09:22:27 I CAN TELL YOU THIS,
09/24/09 09:22:30 THIS IS AN
09/24/09 09:22:30 ABSOLUTE TRUISM.
09/24/09 09:22:32 THE CITY OF TAMPA IS NOT GOING
09/24/09 09:22:34 TO BE AS GOOD A PLACE WITHOUT
09/24/09 09:22:36 HIM AT THE HELM OVER THERE AT
09/24/09 09:22:37 THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
09/24/09 09:22:39 IT WILL BE VERY VERY HARD TO
09/24/09 09:22:39 REPLACE HIM.
09/24/09 09:22:42 HE HAS DONE SO MUCH GOOD IN
09/24/09 09:22:45 THIS COMMUNITY AND I THINK THAT
09/24/09 09:22:48 WE ARE AT A BIG LOSS FOR LOSING
09/24/09 09:22:50 THIS TALENT BUT I WISH HIM WELL
09/24/09 09:22:51 IN REQUIREMENT AND EVERY
09/24/09 09:22:54 ENDEAVOR THAT HE
09/24/09 09:22:56 TAKES.
09/24/09 09:22:59 [
09/24/09 09:23:01 APPLAUSE ]
09/24/09 09:23:03 >> GOOD MORNING COUNCIL.
09/24/09 09:23:04 THANK YOU CHIEF.
09/24/09 09:23:05 IT WAS ONLY THROUGH YOUR
09/24/09 09:23:07 MENTORING THAT I WAS ABLE TO
09/24/09 09:23:10 ACCOMPLISH WHAT I HAVE.
09/24/09 09:23:13 BUT SERIOUSLY I AM HUMBLED THAT
09/24/09 09:23:14 YOU WOULD RECOGNIZE MY SERVICE.
09/24/09 09:23:17 IT WAS AN HONOR AND PRIVILEGE
09/24/09 09:23:19 TO SERVE THIS COMMUNITY AND AS
09/24/09 09:23:22 I LEAVE I LEAVE KNOWING THAT
09/24/09 09:23:24 THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT,
09/24/09 09:23:25 ONE OF THE MOST PROGRESSIVE I
09/24/09 09:23:28 BELIEVE IN THE NATION IS ON THE
09/24/09 09:23:30 RIGHT TRACK TO CONTINUE THEIR
09/24/09 09:23:33 EFFORTS TO MAKE THIS
09/24/09 09:23:34 A SAFER
09/24/09 09:23:37 CITY AND I WOULD LIKE TO POINT
09/24/09 09:23:40 OUT THAT WHEN CHIEF HOGUE
09/24/09 09:23:40 BEING
09/24/09 09:23:41 THE PRIMARY CATALYST FOR THIS
09/24/09 09:23:44 CRIME REDUCTION AS WELL AS
09/24/09 09:23:46 MAYOR IORIO WHEN SHE SAID THIS
09/24/09 09:23:49 CITY CAN NO LONGER ENDURE THE
09/24/09 09:23:52 CRIME RATE AND SHE HIRED CHIEF
09/24/09 09:23:55 HOGUE AND HE SAID WE CAN DRIVE
09/24/09 09:23:55 CRIME DOWN.
09/24/09 09:23:58 AND I DON'T THINK WE BELIEVED
09/24/09 09:24:00 IT THEN BUT EVERY MAN AND WOMAN
09/24/09 09:24:03 THAT WEARS THE BADGE TODAY
09/24/09 09:24:05 KNOWS THAT THEY TRULY IMPACT
09/24/09 09:24:05 CRIME.
09/24/09 09:24:06 THEY WILL CONTINUE TO REDUCE
09/24/09 09:24:09 CRIME AND KEEP THIS CITY SAME I
09/24/09 09:24:11 WANT TO THANK ALL THE FINE MEN,
09/24/09 09:24:14 WOMEN OF THE POLICE
09/24/09 09:24:15 DEPARTMENT.
09/24/09 09:24:16 JANE CASTOR, WONDERFUL STAFF
09/24/09 09:24:18 THAT I SERVED WITH AND MOST OF
09/24/09 09:24:21 ALL A GOOD FRIEND, CHIEF
09/24/09 09:24:21 HOGUE.
09/24/09 09:24:24 THANK YOU VERY
09/24/09 09:24:27 MUCH [ APPLAUSE
09/24/09 09:24:27 ]
09/24/09 09:24:30 >> SPEAKING OF
09/24/09 09:24:33 CHIEF HOGUE.
09/24/09 09:24:36 THANK YOU BOB.
09/24/09 09:24:39 I MET CHIEF 14, 15 YEARS
09/24/09 09:24:40 AGO,
09/24/09 09:24:42 MY WIFE INTRODUCED US WHEN HE
09/24/09 09:24:44 WAS STILL A MAJOR AND SHE WAS
09/24/09 09:24:45 WORKING HERE.
09/24/09 09:24:47 SHE ALWAYS HAD A CRUSH ON HIM
09/24/09 09:24:49 BECAUSE SHE SAID HE WAS CENTRAL
09/24/09 09:24:49 CASTING.
09/24/09 09:24:51 I THINK THAT IS WHERE HE IS
09/24/09 09:24:53 GOING TO HEAD NEXT IS
09/24/09 09:24:53 HOLLYWOOD.
09/24/09 09:24:56 BUT SHE DID TELL ME THIS
09/24/09 09:24:59 MORNING TO SEND YOU HER
09/24/09 09:25:01 BEST
09/24/09 09:25:03 AND WHAT SHE SAID SPEAKS THE
09/24/09 09:25:05 WORDS OF EVERY CITIZEN IN THIS
09/24/09 09:25:08 COMMUNITY AND SHE SAID THAT SHE
09/24/09 09:25:08 FELT SAFE KNOWING YOU WERE
09/24/09 09:25:11 CHIEF AND I THINK THAT'S --
09/24/09 09:25:12 >> QUITE A COMPLEMENT.
09/24/09 09:25:15 >> HOW WE ALL FELT FOR
09/24/09 09:25:20 THE LAST
09/24/09 09:25:20 6.5 YEARS.
09/24/09 09:25:22 POLICE CHIEF STEVE HOGUE.
09/24/09 09:25:25 I SAID I WASN'T GOING
09/24/09 09:25:28 TO
09/24/09 09:25:28 GET
09/24/09 09:25:29 CHOKED UP.
09/24/09 09:25:32 HE HAS BEEN A 35 YEAR MEMBER
09/24/09 09:25:32 OF
09/24/09 09:25:34 LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES, FIRST
09/24/09 09:25:37 25 YEARS SPENT
09/24/09 09:25:37 WITH TPD.
09/24/09 09:25:39 HE ROASTEDLY THROUGH THE RANKS
09/24/09 09:25:41 BECOMING MAJOR 1994.
09/24/09 09:25:44 THREE YEARS LATER HE LEFT
09/24/09 09:25:46 TO
09/24/09 09:25:49 BECOME CHIEF OF FORT
09/24/09 09:25:49 WALTON
09/24/09 09:25:51 BEACH POLICE DEPARTMENT.
09/24/09 09:25:53 IS THAT SURFING?
09/24/09 09:25:55 FORTUNATELY WE BROUGHT HIM HOME
09/24/09 09:25:57 AS CHIEF IN SEPTEMBER 2003 TO
09/24/09 09:26:00 LEAD A DEPARTMENT OF
09/24/09 09:26:01 MORE THAN
09/24/09 09:26:03 1300 EMPLOYEES AND MORE THAN
09/24/09 09:26:05 $100 MILLION A YEAR.
09/24/09 09:26:09 TAMPA'S CRIME RATE DROPPED
09/24/09 09:26:09 46%
09/24/09 09:26:11 ITS LOWEST LEVEL IN 30 YEARS.
09/24/09 09:26:14 CHIEF'S STATED MISSION TO
09/24/09 09:26:17 REDUCE CRIME
09/24/09 09:26:20 AND IMPROVE
09/24/09 09:26:20 QUALITY OF LIFE.
09/24/09 09:26:22 IT BECAME HIS DEPARTMENT'S
09/24/09 09:26:24 MANTRA AND CREATED A BETTER
09/24/09 09:26:25 QUALITY OF LIFE.
09/24/09 09:26:28 TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
09/24/09 09:26:28 PROUDLY
09/24/09 09:26:31 RECOGNIZES THE OUTSTANDING
09/24/09 09:26:33 PERFORMANCE OF CHIEF STEVE
09/24/09 09:26:33 HOGUE.
09/24/09 09:26:36 WE WISH YOU WELL
09/24/09 09:26:39 IN
09/24/09 09:26:42 YOUR
09/24/09 09:26:45 REQUIRE RETIREMENT [ APPLAUSE
09/24/09 09:26:45 ]
09/24/09 09:26:48 >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH IT IS
09/24/09 09:26:50 LIKE BOB SAID A HUMBLING
09/24/09 09:26:53 EXPERIENCE TO COME UP HERE
09/24/09 09:26:53 AND
09/24/09 09:26:54 BE RECOGNIZED FOR WHAT YOU DO
09/24/09 09:26:56 JUST AS A JOB BUT IT IS MORE
09/24/09 09:26:57 THAN A JOB IT IS A PASSION.
09/24/09 09:26:59 I WANT TO THANK COUNCIL.
09/24/09 09:27:02 I NEED TO RECOGNIZE THE MAYOR
09/24/09 09:27:04 FOR APPOINTING ME AS CHIEF OF
09/24/09 09:27:06 POLICE AND THE COUNCIL FOR
09/24/09 09:27:08 CONFIRMING WHO THAT APPOINTMENT
09/24/09 09:27:10 --I APPRECIATE THAT.
09/24/09 09:27:13 THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS SEEN
09/24/09 09:27:14 SOME SUCCESS OVER THE LAST SIX
09/24/09 09:27:17 YEARS WHICH I AM VERY PROUD OF
09/24/09 09:27:19 BUT IT IS NEVER ONE PERSON, WE
09/24/09 09:27:20 ALL UNDERSTAND THAT.
09/24/09 09:27:23 THAT IS A BIG JOB TO BRING THE
09/24/09 09:27:24 CRIME DOWN 46% AND IT IS THE
09/24/09 09:27:27 MEN AND WOMEN WHO WORK AT THIS
09/24/09 09:27:28 POLICE DEPARTMENT THAT DESERVE
09/24/09 09:27:30 THE LIONS SHARE OF THE CREDIT.
09/24/09 09:27:32 BUT THERE IS SOME CREDIT --
09/24/09 09:27:33 OTHER CREDIT TO GO AROUND AND
09/24/09 09:27:35 SOME OF THAT BELONGS TO THE
09/24/09 09:27:37 STAFF THAT YOU SEE STANDING
09/24/09 09:27:38 RIGHT HERE BEHIND ME BECAUSE
09/24/09 09:27:40 THEY ARE THE ONES THAT
09/24/09 09:27:42 IMPLEMENT ANY PLAN AND MAKE IT
09/24/09 09:27:42 HAPPEN.
09/24/09 09:27:43 I AM VERY PROUD TO HAVE WORKED
09/24/09 09:27:45 WITH EACH ONE OF THEM.
09/24/09 09:27:47 THEY ALL ARE STELLAR
09/24/09 09:27:48 INDIVIDUALS WHO WORK VERY HARD
09/24/09 09:27:51 EVERY DAY FOR THE CITIZENS
09/24/09 09:27:53 IN
09/24/09 09:27:53 OUR COMMUNITY.
09/24/09 09:27:56 BUT I DON'T THINK IT
09/24/09 09:27:58 WOULD BE
09/24/09 09:27:59 PROPER IF I LEFT OUT THE CITY
09/24/09 09:28:00 COUNCIL BECAUSE YOU KNOW, THERE
09/24/09 09:28:02 IS A LOT OF THINGS FOR THE
09/24/09 09:28:04 POLICE DEPARTMENT THAT COME
09/24/09 09:28:06 THROUGH THIS CITY COUNCIL AND
09/24/09 09:28:08 YOU HAVE ALWAYS BEEN AS AN
09/24/09 09:28:09 ORGANIZATION VERY VERY
09/24/09 09:28:12 SUPPORTIVE OF THE POLICE
09/24/09 09:28:14 DEPARTMENT AND WE COUNT SOME OF
09/24/09 09:28:16 OUR SUCCESS BECAUSE OF YOUR
09/24/09 09:28:16 SUPPORT.
09/24/09 09:28:19 YOU KNOW, EVEN THINGS THAT
09/24/09 09:28:22 MAYBE DON'T SEEM LIKE A BIG
09/24/09 09:28:23 DEAL LIKE RECOGNIZING A POLICE
09/24/09 09:28:24 OFFICER OF THE MONTH OR JUST AS
09/24/09 09:28:26 WE DID WITH THE FIREFIGHTER OF
09/24/09 09:28:27 THE QUARTER.
09/24/09 09:28:28 THAT IS A HUGE HONOR TO COME
09/24/09 09:28:31 OVER HERE TO EACH EMPLOYEE WHEN
09/24/09 09:28:34 THEY COME OVER HERE BEFORE THIS
09/24/09 09:28:35 BODY AND ACCEPT THAT AWARD.
09/24/09 09:28:37 I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR
09/24/09 09:28:39 EVERYTHING YOU HAVE DONE
09/24/09 09:28:41 BECAUSE YOU HAVE HELPED US VERY
09/24/09 09:28:43 MUCH MAKE TAMPA A MUCH SAFER
09/24/09 09:28:45 PLACE AND I WANT TO THANK YOU
09/24/09 09:28:46 FOR THAT.
09/24/09 09:28:49 THANK YOU VERY
09/24/09 09:28:52 MUCH [
09/24/09 09:28:54 APPLAUSE
09/24/09 09:28:54 ]
09/24/09 09:28:55 >>> GOOD MORNING COUNCIL I
09/24/09 09:28:58 WOULD LIKE TO ALSO PASS ON MY
09/24/09 09:29:01 GRATITUDE TO CHIEF
09/24/09 09:29:04 HOGUE
09/24/09 09:29:06 AND
09/24/09 09:29:08 ASSISTANT CHIEF GUIDARA FOR NOT
09/24/09 09:29:10 ONLY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT BUT
09/24/09 09:29:12 COMMUNITY AS WELL.
09/24/09 09:29:14 CHIEF HOGUE CAME IN AND CHANGED
09/24/09 09:29:15 THE WAY WE DO POLICING IN
09/24/09 09:29:15 TAMPA.
09/24/09 09:29:18 IT IS A MUCH MUCH SAFER
09/24/09 09:29:20 CITY,
09/24/09 09:29:22 AND PLACE TO LIVE BECAUSE OF
09/24/09 09:29:23 WHAT THEY HAVE DONE.
09/24/09 09:29:26 I HAVE PERSONALLY WORKED WITH
09/24/09 09:29:28 BOTH OF THEM FOR 25 YEARS.
09/24/09 09:29:30 I CAN TELL YOU THEY ARE BOTH
09/24/09 09:29:31 FINE INDIVIDUALS AND RESPECTED
09/24/09 09:29:34 NOT ONLY FOR THEIR INTEGRITY
09/24/09 09:29:36 BUT WORK ETHIC THROUGHOUT THEIR
09/24/09 09:29:36 CAREER.
09/24/09 09:29:38 I CAN TERM YOU ALSO THAT THEY
09/24/09 09:29:40 HAVE --TELL YOU ALSO THEY
09/24/09 09:29:42 HAVE LEFT AN INDELIBLE MARK NOT
09/24/09 09:29:45 ONLY ON MYSELF BUT FUTURE OF
09/24/09 09:29:47 THE DEPARTMENT ASSISTANT CHIEF
09/24/09 09:29:48 HAMLIN AND BENNETT.
09/24/09 09:29:51 YOU WON'T SEE A GREAT
09/24/09 09:29:51 DEAL OF
09/24/09 09:29:53 CHANGE ONCE THEY REEVE LEFT
09/24/09 09:29:54 BECAUSE THEY HAVE --THEY'VE
09/24/09 09:29:57 LEFT BECAUSE THEY HAVE LEFT US
09/24/09 09:29:57 THE BEST POLICE DEPARTMENT IN
09/24/09 09:29:59 THE NATION TO LEAD.
09/24/09 09:30:02 I THANK THEM
09/24/09 09:30:05 BOTH [ APPLAUSE
09/24/09 09:30:06 ]
09/24/09 09:30:07 >> THANK YOU.
09/24/09 09:30:10 AND THANK YOU VERY
09/24/09 09:30:13 MUCH CHIEF
09/24/09 09:30:16 HOGUE
09/24/09 09:30:19 AND CHIEF
09/24/09 09:30:20 GUIDARA.
09/24/09 09:30:22 THANK YOU FOR YOUR YEARS OF
09/24/09 09:30:24 SERVICE AND KNOW YOU ARE IN MY
09/24/09 09:30:25 PRAYERS AS YOU RETIRE.
09/24/09 09:30:28 I PRAY AND TRUST YOUR LIVES
09/24/09 09:30:31 WILL BE VERY PROPERTIES
09/24/09 09:30:34 PROSPEROUS AND ENJOY YOUR
09/24/09 09:30:34 FAMILIES.
09/24/09 09:30:37 YOU HAVE GIVEN A LOT
09/24/09 09:30:37 TO THIS
09/24/09 09:30:37 COMMUNITY.
09/24/09 09:30:40 THANK YOU SO VERY
09/24/09 09:30:42 MUCH.
09/24/09 09:30:43 >> THANK YOU.
09/24/09 09:30:44 [ APPLAUSE ]
09/24/09 09:30:46 >> I WANTED TO THANK YOU ALL
09/24/09 09:30:48 FOR CREATING A POLICE
09/24/09 09:30:51 DEPARTMENT THAT HAS AN OPENNESS
09/24/09 09:30:52 TO THE COMMUNITY THAT DIDN'T
09/24/09 09:30:54 EXIST IN THAT QUALITY
09/24/09 09:30:54 PREVIOUSLY.
09/24/09 09:30:57 THERE IS MUCH MORE OF
09/24/09 09:31:00 A
09/24/09 09:31:01 SENSE
09/24/09 09:31:02 OF INTERACTION AND TRANSPARENCY
09/24/09 09:31:03 WITH THE COMMUNITY SINCE YOU
09/24/09 09:31:06 HAVE TAKEN OVER
09/24/09 09:31:08 AND I KNOW
09/24/09 09:31:10 THATTHE NEW CHIEF WILL CONTINUE
09/24/09 09:31:12 THAT BUT YOU HAVE CREATED FOR
09/24/09 09:31:15 THOSE OF US WHO PERHAPS WEREN'T
09/24/09 09:31:17 AS INVOLVED IN THE CULTURE,
09/24/09 09:31:20 COME TO THE DEPARTMENT, TALK
09/24/09 09:31:20 TO
09/24/09 09:31:23 YOU ABOUT A VARIETY OF THINGS
09/24/09 09:31:24 AND SOLVE THE PROBLEMS AND I
09/24/09 09:31:26 THINK THAT IS ONE OF THE THINGS
09/24/09 09:31:29 THAT LED TO SUCCESS OF THE
09/24/09 09:31:32 DEPARTMENT IS THAT CONNECTION
09/24/09 09:31:34 WITH THE COMMUNITY AND I THANK
09/24/09 09:31:34 YOU FOR THAT.
09/24/09 09:31:37 IT WAS A PLEASURE TO
09/24/09 09:31:40 WORK WITH
09/24/09 09:31:40 YOU.
09/24/09 09:31:41 >> THANK YOU.
09/24/09 09:31:44 >> I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK
09/24/09 09:31:44 YOU.
09/24/09 09:31:45 YOU ARE MY ONLY POLICE
09/24/09 09:31:46 DEPARTMENT I HAVE WORKED WITH
09/24/09 09:31:47 BUT IT HAS BEEN GREAT.
09/24/09 09:31:49 YOU HAVE BEEN SO HONEST WITH ME
09/24/09 09:31:52 WHEN I HAD QUESTIONS
09/24/09 09:31:52 AND SO
09/24/09 09:31:55 ACCESSIBLE AND YOU KNOW, THE
09/24/09 09:31:57 WORK YOU'VE DONE HAS BEEN
09/24/09 09:31:57 REALLY IMPRESSIVE.
09/24/09 09:32:00 AND IT IS KIND OF
09/24/09 09:32:01 A DOUBLE
09/24/09 09:32:04 WHAMMY BUT WE ARE WELCOMING
09/24/09 09:32:07 CHIEF CASTOR BUT TO SEE YOU
09/24/09 09:32:08 BOTH STANDING THERE SAYING
09/24/09 09:32:11 GOODBYE, THAT IS A
09/24/09 09:32:12 LOT.
09/24/09 09:32:13 SO ENJOY YOURSELVES.
09/24/09 09:32:16 WE WILL MISS
09/24/09 09:32:17 YOU.
09/24/09 09:32:17 >> COUNCILMEMBER CAETANO.
09/24/09 09:32:20 >> CHIEF I WANT TO THANK YOU
09/24/09 09:32:20 FOR YOUR SERVICE.
09/24/09 09:32:23 ARE YOU GOING TO TAKE THE
09/24/09 09:32:26 FORMER CHIEF WITH YOU
09/24/09 09:32:27 ON THE
09/24/09 09:32:27 APPALACHIAN TRAIL?
09/24/09 09:32:29 >> TRYING TO TALK HIM INTO IT.
09/24/09 09:32:32 >> ONLY IF THERE IS AN
09/24/09 09:32:33 RV UP
09/24/09 09:32:33 THERE.
09/24/09 09:32:34 >> CONGRATULATIONS.
09/24/09 09:32:36 I KNOW WE WILL BE IN FOOD HANDS
09/24/09 09:32:39 WITH MISS CASTOR --
09/24/09 09:32:41 GOOD HANDS
09/24/09 09:32:44 WITH MISS CASTOR AND
09/24/09 09:32:46 OUR NEW
09/24/09 09:32:46 CHIEFS.
09/24/09 09:32:47 >> COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
09/24/09 09:32:50 WANT TO MAKE
09/24/09 09:32:52 THE NEXT
09/24/09 09:32:55 PRESENTATION.
09/24/09 09:33:07 >> HONOURABLE CHAIRMAN
09/24/09 09:33:08 SCOTT
09/24/09 09:33:10 AND MEMBERS OF CITY COUNCIL I
09/24/09 09:33:13 AM PROUD TO BE HERE TO MAKE
09/24/09 09:33:15 A
09/24/09 09:33:17 PRESENTATION TO GREGORY SPEAR
09/24/09 09:33:17 MAN.
09/24/09 09:33:20 BEFORE I DO THAT
09/24/09 09:33:23 I
09/24/09 09:33:26 RECOGNIZE
09/24/09 09:33:27 YESTERDAY WAS SHIRLEY'S 25th
09/24/09 09:33:30 BIRTHDAY AND THE AID OF MR.
09/24/09 09:33:32 SCOTT WHO HAD MINOR SURGERY I
09/24/09 09:33:34 TALKED TO HER THIS MORNING SHE
09/24/09 09:33:35 GAVE ME INSIDE INFORMATION THAT
09/24/09 09:33:38 SUNDAY HE WILL BE 37
09/24/09 09:33:38 OR SO.
09/24/09 09:33:39 [ LAUGHTER ]
09/24/09 09:33:40 >> THANK YOU, SIR.
09/24/09 09:33:42 >> YOU ARE WELCOME.
09/24/09 09:33:45 >> LET ME SAY THIS ON
09/24/09 09:33:46 BEHALF OF
09/24/09 09:33:48 TAMPA CITY COUNCIL, TO GREG
09/24/09 09:33:50 SPEARMAN AND ALL HIS STAFF IT
09/24/09 09:33:53 IS MY HONOR AND PLEASURE TO BE
09/24/09 09:33:53 HERE THIS MORNING.
09/24/09 09:33:56 I WILL READ THIS COMMENDATION
09/24/09 09:33:59 IN RECOGNITION OF RECEIVING THE
09/24/09 09:34:02 14th ANNUAL
09/24/09 09:34:05 ACHIEVEMENT
09/24/09 09:34:07 OF
09/24/09 09:34:10 EXCELLENCE
09/24/09 09:34:16 EXAWARD IN PRO
09/24/09 09:34:18 CUREMENT FROM THE NATIONAL
09/24/09 09:34:19 PURCHASING INSTITUTE, IT IS
09/24/09 09:34:22 MORE IMPRESSIVE THAT YOU AND
09/24/09 09:34:23 YOUR PURCHASING DEPARTMENT SIR
09/24/09 09:34:26 HAVE WON THIS AWARD FOR THREE
09/24/09 09:34:26 CONSECUTIVE YEARS.
09/24/09 09:34:28 THIS COUNCIL IS VERY PROUD OF
09/24/09 09:34:29 WHAT YOU ALL HAVE DONE TO MAKE
09/24/09 09:34:31 THIS CITY THE BEST THAT IT CAN
09/24/09 09:34:34 BE AND BECAUSE OF YOU WE ARE
09/24/09 09:34:34 A
09/24/09 09:34:35 BETTER CITY.
09/24/09 09:34:38 ON BEHALF OF TAMPA
09/24/09 09:34:38 CITY
09/24/09 09:34:40 COUNCIL, YOUR COMMENDATION AND
09/24/09 09:34:43 OUR APPRECIATION FOR ALL YOUR
09/24/09 09:34:43 GOOD WORK.
09/24/09 09:34:46 ALL OF YOU [
09/24/09 09:34:50 APPLAUSE ]
09/24/09 09:34:53 >>
09/24/09 09:34:55 CHAIRMAN SCOTT,
09/24/09 09:34:56 COUNCILMEMBER MIRANDA AND ALL
09/24/09 09:34:59 MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, WE
09/24/09 09:35:00 WOULD LIKE TO ACCEPT THIS.
09/24/09 09:35:03 IT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO US THAT
09/24/09 09:35:04 YOU PRESENTED THIS TO US BUT IT
09/24/09 09:35:06 COMES AS A TEAM EFFORT.
09/24/09 09:35:09 WE HAVE A TEAM
09/24/09 09:35:11 OF DEDICATED
09/24/09 09:35:12 LOYAL PROFESSIONALS, EMPLOYEES
09/24/09 09:35:14 WITH THE CITY'S PURCHASING
09/24/09 09:35:16 DEPARTMENT WHO MAKE THINGS
09/24/09 09:35:16 HAPPEN EVERY DAY.
09/24/09 09:35:18 BEHIND HERE ARE SOME MEMBERS OF
09/24/09 09:35:19 THE TEAM.
09/24/09 09:35:21 I WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THREE
09/24/09 09:35:24 MANAGERS WITH
09/24/09 09:35:25 US TODAY, MR.
09/24/09 09:35:27 DAVID PEON HIS JOB IS IMPORTANT
09/24/09 09:35:30 HE MANAGES ALL THE CITY'S
09/24/09 09:35:30 INVENTORY.
09/24/09 09:35:32 >> IF THEY CAN ALL COME IN A
09/24/09 09:35:35 LITTLE CLOSER WE CAN GET
09/24/09 09:35:37 THEM
09/24/09 09:35:37 ON CAMERA.
09/24/09 09:35:38 >> OKAY.
09/24/09 09:35:38 ALL RIGHT.
09/24/09 09:35:40 DAVID AGAIN MANAGES ALL
09/24/09 09:35:43 INVENTORY SO ALL OF THE THINGS
09/24/09 09:35:45 THAT ARE NEEDED BY PUBLIC
09/24/09 09:35:46 WORKS, TAMPA FIRE RESCUE,
09/24/09 09:35:49 NEEDED BY THE POLICE
09/24/09 09:35:50 DEPARTMENT, TRANSPORTATION, ALL
09/24/09 09:35:52 OF THOSE MATERIALS AND SUPPLIES
09/24/09 09:35:55 THAT IS NEEDED TO MAKE THOSE
09/24/09 09:35:55 OPERATIONS RUN.
09/24/09 09:35:58 THIS IS THE GENTLEMAN
09/24/09 09:35:58 WHOSE
09/24/09 09:36:01 OPERATION PROVIDES THOSE
09/24/09 09:36:01 MATERIALS AND SUPPLIES.
09/24/09 09:36:04 EVEN SAND BAG OPERATION
09/24/09 09:36:05 MATERIAL, HE PROVIDES THOSE.
09/24/09 09:36:07 WE JUST WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE HIM
09/24/09 09:36:10 AS ONE OF THE
09/24/09 09:36:11 MANAGERPURCHASING.
09/24/09 09:36:11 MR. JOE BENJAMIN.
09/24/09 09:36:14 HE IS THE MANAGER OF
09/24/09 09:36:15 THE
09/24/09 09:36:16 PURCHASING ASSISTANT
09/24/09 09:36:16 ADMINISTRATION TEAM.
09/24/09 09:36:19 HE HANDLED P CARD,
09/24/09 09:36:21 THE JOCK
09/24/09 09:36:24 SYSTEM, THE SURPLUS PROPERTY,
09/24/09 09:36:27 HE HANDLES PRO CUREMENT
09/24/09 09:36:27 SYSTEM
09/24/09 09:36:30 IN TERMS OF OUR BID SYSTEM,
09/24/09 09:36:31 HE
09/24/09 09:36:32 MANAGES AUTOMATED PURCHASING
09/24/09 09:36:32 SYSTEM.
09/24/09 09:36:35 HE IS HERE AND HAS MEMBERS OF
09/24/09 09:36:37 HIS TEAM WITH HIM.
09/24/09 09:36:39 THEN MR. NELSON, HE IS OUR
09/24/09 09:36:41 BUSINESS SERVICES MANAGER,
09/24/09 09:36:42 MANAGES THE ACQUISITION OF ALL
09/24/09 09:36:44 THE GOODS AND SERVICES NEEDED
09/24/09 09:36:46 FOR CITY OF TAMPA.
09/24/09 09:36:49 HE MANAGES THE RP
09/24/09 09:36:50 PROCESS.
09/24/09 09:36:50 INVITATION BID PROCESS.
09/24/09 09:36:53 IT TAKES A GOOD TEAM EFFORT
09/24/09 09:36:56 WITH ALL THESE DEDICATED MEN
09/24/09 09:36:58 AND WOMAN TO MAKE THIS
09/24/09 09:36:58 SUCCESSFUL.
09/24/09 09:37:01 WE JUST WANT TO THANK YOU.
09/24/09 09:37:02 THANK YOU.
09/24/09 09:37:05 >> THANK YOU [
09/24/09 09:37:07 APPLAUSE ]
09/24/09 09:37:09 >> CONGRATULATIONS.
09/24/09 09:37:10 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09/24/09 09:37:13 >> WE WILL NOW
09/24/09 09:37:16 HAVE
09/24/09 09:37:19 PRESENTATION BY
09/24/09 09:37:22 COUNCIL WOMAN
09/24/09 09:37:28 MULHERN
09/24/09 09:37:30 .
09/24/09 09:37:33 >> DO YOU WANT TO PUT THE
09/24/09 09:37:35 TROPHY UP HERE?
09/24/09 09:37:35 >> YES.
09/24/09 09:37:38 >> THIS IS FOR
09/24/09 09:37:42 YOU.
09/24/09 09:37:43 >> WOW.
09/24/09 09:37:46 >>
09/24/09 09:37:46 RAYS WIN.
09/24/09 09:37:49 [ APPLAUSE
09/24/09 09:37:50 ]
09/24/09 09:37:52 >> THE TAMPA RAYS --IT IS NOT
09/24/09 09:37:55 TAMPA IT IS RAYS WHEELCHAIR
09/24/09 09:37:57 SOFTBALL --I AM NOT GOING THE
09/24/09 09:37:59 READ THIS COMMENDATION I WANT
09/24/09 09:38:02 STEPHANIE TO SAY
09/24/09 09:38:05 A FEW WORDS
09/24/09 09:38:06 AND SEINE AND TRAY.
09/24/09 09:38:07 THEY BEAT THE RED SOX JUST LIKE
09/24/09 09:38:09 THE OTHER RAYS DID LAST YEAR.
09/24/09 09:38:10 IT IS PRETTY AMAZING.
09/24/09 09:38:12 THIRD YEAR IN A ROW THEY GOT
09/24/09 09:38:14 THAT TITLE THEY ARE AMAZING
09/24/09 09:38:14 ATHLETES.
09/24/09 09:38:17 AND I THINK THEY ARE GOING TO
09/24/09 09:38:19 CHALLENGE US TO A GAME IF WE
09/24/09 09:38:22 CAN GET --WE HAVE 7 PEOPLE
09/24/09 09:38:24 IS
09/24/09 09:38:24 THAT ENOUGH?
09/24/09 09:38:24 >> YES.
09/24/09 09:38:27 >> STEPHANIE TELL EVERYONE
09/24/09 09:38:28 ABOUT THIS GREAT ACCOMPLISHMENT
09/24/09 09:38:31 AND I AM GOING
09/24/09 09:38:34 TO PRESENT
09/24/09 09:38:34 THIS.
09/24/09 09:38:34 >> THANK YOU.
09/24/09 09:38:37 >> I AM GOING TO
09/24/09 09:38:37 INTRODUCE
09/24/09 09:38:40 EVERYONE THANK YOU COUNCIL FOR
09/24/09 09:38:40 HAVING US TODAY.
09/24/09 09:38:43 YOU HAVE BEEN
09/24/09 09:38:43 LONG SUPPORTERS.
09/24/09 09:38:46 WE ARE NOW SUPPORTING AND
09/24/09 09:38:48 MANAGING THE RAYS WHEELCHAIR
09/24/09 09:38:48 SOFTBALL TEAM.
09/24/09 09:38:51 I WAS A
09/24/09 09:38:53 CHILD DURING THE JUST
09/24/09 09:38:55 SAY NO YEARS DURING REGAN
09/24/09 09:38:55 ADMINISTRATION.
09/24/09 09:38:57 WHEN I WAS APPROACHED BY THE
09/24/09 09:39:00 FOUNDERS OF THE RAYS
09/24/09 09:39:01 WHEELCHAIR
09/24/09 09:39:02 SOFTBALL TEAM AND VA HOSPITAL
09/24/09 09:39:05 WANTED TO PARTNER AND TAKE OVER
09/24/09 09:39:07 MANAGEMENT I HAD A LITTLE NANCY
09/24/09 09:39:10 REGAN GOING JUST SAY NO.
09/24/09 09:39:11 JUST SAY NO.
09/24/09 09:39:14 AND I AM REALLY SO
09/24/09 09:39:16 GLAD THAT I
09/24/09 09:39:18 SAID YES AND THAT I KNOW MORE
09/24/09 09:39:19 ABOUT BASEBALL AND SOFTBALL.
09/24/09 09:39:22 NOT A WHOLE LOT BECAUSE I AM
09/24/09 09:39:24 NOT A BIG SPORTS FAN BUT I AM A
09/24/09 09:39:26 HUGE FAN OF THESE PLAYERS.
09/24/09 09:39:28 THIS IS ANDY AND DAVID.
09/24/09 09:39:30 ANDY PLAYS FIRST BASE.
09/24/09 09:39:32 I MIGHT GET THE POSITION WRONG
09/24/09 09:39:35 AND DAVE HE PLAYS --HE
09/24/09 09:39:36 IS OUR
09/24/09 09:39:37 CATCHER.
09/24/09 09:39:38 SEINE IS OUR HEAD COACH.
09/24/09 09:39:41 PAM IS DAVE'S WIFE BEHIND HIM
09/24/09 09:39:43 AND BRENDA IS ANDY'S WIFE.
09/24/09 09:39:46 THOSE WIVES HELP US KEEP GOING
09/24/09 09:39:47 ALL YEARLONG.
09/24/09 09:39:50 WE HAVE TREY SMITH ASSISTANT
09/24/09 09:39:50 COACH.
09/24/09 09:39:53 JACK WHAT DO YOU
09/24/09 09:39:54 PLAY?
09/24/09 09:39:54 >> CENTER.
09/24/09 09:39:56 >> OUT FIELD AND RON.
09/24/09 09:39:57 >> THIRD BASE.
09/24/09 09:39:58 >> THIRD BASE.
09/24/09 09:40:00 WE HAVE ABOUT 15 PLAYERS.
09/24/09 09:40:03 WE PLAY AT ROULETTE
09/24/09 09:40:05 PARK APRIL
09/24/09 09:40:05 TO AUGUST.
09/24/09 09:40:07 WE PRACTICE EVERY SATURDAY.
09/24/09 09:40:10 GO TO A COUPLE TOURNAMENTS
09/24/09 09:40:10 AND
09/24/09 09:40:11 APPRECIATE CONTINUED SUPPORT
09/24/09 09:40:13 FROM YOUR CITY TO GIVE US THE
09/24/09 09:40:13 FIELD.
09/24/09 09:40:15 WE WOULD APPRECIATE OBVIOUSLY
09/24/09 09:40:17 SOME FINANCIAL SUPPORT BUT WHAT
09/24/09 09:40:19 WE REALLY APPRECIATE IS
09/24/09 09:40:21 INCLUSION AND THAT IS WHAT THE
09/24/09 09:40:23 FOUNDATION IS ABOUT, THESE GUYS
09/24/09 09:40:25 ARE ABOUT NOT --NOTHING
09/24/09 09:40:28 SPECIAL JUST BEING INCLUDED IN
09/24/09 09:40:29 SPORTS AND RECREATION SO OUR
09/24/09 09:40:32 MISSION IS TO CONTINUE THAT AND
09/24/09 09:40:35 WE NEED MORE PLAYERS, WE
09/24/09 09:40:35 NEED
09/24/09 09:40:38 SUPPORT AND WOULD LOVE TO HAVE
09/24/09 09:40:41 YOU GUYS COME OUT AND
09/24/09 09:40:42 CHALLENGE
09/24/09 09:40:42 US.
09/24/09 09:40:43 WE WILL BEAT YOU BUT IF YOU
09/24/09 09:40:46 WOULD LIKE TO BE HUMBLED, COME
09/24/09 09:40:48 OUT AND IN APRIL AND PLAY A
09/24/09 09:40:49 GAME WITH US.
09/24/09 09:40:50 I HAVE GIVEN YOU AN INVITATION
09/24/09 09:40:53 TO COME TO OUR END OF
09/24/09 09:40:54 SEASON
09/24/09 09:40:57 PARTY WE ARE HAVING A PARTY
09/24/09 09:40:59 WITH STEVE THE HIT MAN
09/24/09 09:41:01 WILLIAMS, COMING TO MY HOUSE I
09/24/09 09:41:02 NEED AT LEAST ONE OF YOU TO
09/24/09 09:41:04 COME BECAUSE IF THERE IS A
09/24/09 09:41:05 NOISE COMPLAINT IT WOULD BE
09/24/09 09:41:07 HELPFUL TO HAVE A COUNCIL
09/24/09 09:41:08 PERSON THERE.
09/24/09 09:41:10 I WOULD LOVE FOR YOU GUYS TO
09/24/09 09:41:12 DROP BY AND MEET THE REST OF
09/24/09 09:41:12 THE TEAM.
09/24/09 09:41:16 WE ARE ALSO HAVING THE
09/24/09 09:41:16 FIFTH
09/24/09 09:41:17 ANNUAL WHEEL ATHON
09/24/09 09:41:17 OCTOBER 24th.
09/24/09 09:41:19 YOU ARE ALL WELCOME TO COME AS
09/24/09 09:41:22 A TEAM AND COME OUT AND SUPPORT
09/24/09 09:41:24 INCLUSION AND ACCESS AND ALL
09/24/09 09:41:26 THOSE THINGS THAT MAKE THIS
09/24/09 09:41:29 CITY GREAT AND MAKE US PROUD OF
09/24/09 09:41:30 EACH OTHER.
09/24/09 09:41:31 I WILL INTRODUCE YOU TO SHAPE
09/24/09 09:41:34 THE HEAD COACH FOR SIX YEAR
09/24/09 09:41:35 --
09/24/09 09:41:37 SHANE THE HEAD COACH FOR SIX
09/24/09 09:41:38 YEARS [ APPLAUSE ]
09/24/09 09:41:39 >> THANK YOU.
09/24/09 09:41:41 IT IS A REAL HONOR STANDING UP
09/24/09 09:41:43 HERE AND ACCEPTING THIS THIS
09/24/09 09:41:43 MORNING.
09/24/09 09:41:45 I AM PROUD TO SAY THAT IN THE
09/24/09 09:41:46 SIX YEARS WE HAVE BEEN DOING
09/24/09 09:41:49 THIS THESE GUYS BEHIND
09/24/09 09:41:50 ME HAVE
09/24/09 09:41:53 PUT A LOT OF HARD WORK AND
09/24/09 09:41:55 DEDICATION N. EVERY SATURDAY
09/24/09 09:41:57 MORNING SWEATING OUT THERE FOR
09/24/09 09:41:58 THREE HOURS STRAIGHT.
09/24/09 09:41:59 APRIL TO SEPTEMBER THEY PLAY.
09/24/09 09:42:02 IT HAS BEEN AROUND FOR 71.
09/24/09 09:42:04 WE HAVE ONLY DONE IT HERE IN
09/24/09 09:42:05 TAMPA FOR SIX YEARS.
09/24/09 09:42:07 THERE IS A FEW OF THEM THAT
09/24/09 09:42:10 HAVE BEEN HERE SINCE
09/24/09 09:42:11 THEN.
09/24/09 09:42:12 WE GET PLAYERS IN AND OUT.
09/24/09 09:42:15 THIS IS A SPORT PLAYED WITH A
09/24/09 09:42:18 MAN YELL WHEELCHAIR AND
09/24/09 09:42:19 16-INCH
09/24/09 09:42:19 SOFTBALL.
09/24/09 09:42:22 ABOUT THE SIZE
09/24/09 09:42:22 OF A GRAPEFRUIT.
09/24/09 09:42:25 THEY GET OUT THERE TO PLAY WITH
09/24/09 09:42:25 NO GLOVES.
09/24/09 09:42:28 PLAY WITH THEIR HANDS.
09/24/09 09:42:30 FIRST BASEMAN IS THE ONLY ONE
09/24/09 09:42:31 WHO HAS IT.
09/24/09 09:42:34 SIT DOWN IN YOUR CHAIR.
09/24/09 09:42:34 SWING IT BACK.
09/24/09 09:42:38 HIT A SOFTBALL AND TRY TO
09/24/09 09:42:38 HIT
09/24/09 09:42:38 IT 200 FEET.
09/24/09 09:42:40 THAT IS WHAT THEY DO.
09/24/09 09:42:41 WE WOULD LOVE FOR YOU TO COME
09/24/09 09:42:43 OUT AND PLAY US.
09/24/09 09:42:45 IT WOULD BE AN HONOR.
09/24/09 09:42:48 IT WILL OPEN YOUR
09/24/09 09:42:51 EYES
09/24/09 09:42:51 UP.
09/24/09 09:42:52 >> OR KIDS.
09/24/09 09:42:54 >> BUT AGAIN, I WANT TO THANK
09/24/09 09:42:56 YOU FOR THAT.
09/24/09 09:42:58 AND WE ARE THE ONLY WHEELCHAIR
09/24/09 09:43:00 SOFTBALL TEAM IN THE SOUTHEAST
09/24/09 09:43:03 OF THIS COUNTRY.
09/24/09 09:43:06 WE ARE
09/24/09 09:43:08 CONSTANTLY LOOKING FOR
09/24/09 09:43:08 NEW PLAYERS, HELP.
09/24/09 09:43:11 WE ARE LOOKING FOR A NEW
09/24/09 09:43:13 FIELD.
09/24/09 09:43:15 WE APPRECIATE IT.
09/24/09 09:43:18 [
09/24/09 09:43:20 APPLAUSE ]
09/24/09 09:43:23 >> CONGRATULATIONS THAN
09/24/09 09:43:24 Y'ALL
09/24/09 09:43:25 VERY MUCH.
09/24/09 09:43:28 AND THE TAMPA WHEEL ATHON IS
09/24/09 09:43:31 SATURDAY OCTOBER 24th
09/24/09 09:43:31 AT MCFAR
09/24/09 09:43:34 LANE PARK AND YOU
09/24/09 09:43:35 CAN REGISTER
09/24/09 09:43:38 ONLINE
09/24/09 09:43:38 AT WWW.FIRST
09/24/09 09:43:39 GIVING.COM/FREEDOM PLAYGROUND
09/24/09 09:43:41 SO WE JUST WANT EVERYONE TO
09/24/09 09:43:43 KNOW THAT THAT ARE WATCHING.
09/24/09 09:43:46 >> WE NEED
09/24/09 09:43:49 TO RECOGNIZE
09/24/09 09:43:51 COUNCILMEMBER MARY MULHERN WAS
09/24/09 09:43:52 INSTRUMENTAL DESIGNING THE LOGO
09/24/09 09:43:55 FOR THE FREEDOM PLAYGROUND AND
09/24/09 09:43:57 PUBLICITY EFFORTS TO GET THIS
09/24/09 09:43:57 WHOLE THING GOING.
09/24/09 09:44:00 NOW IT IS A
09/24/09 09:44:01 BEAUTIFUL,
09/24/09 09:44:01 FANTASTIC PLAYGROUND.
09/24/09 09:44:03 CREDIT WHERE CREDIT IS DUE
09/24/09 09:44:03 >>
09/24/09 09:44:05 I WANT TO THANK YOU LINDA YOU
09/24/09 09:44:08 FACILITATED THE FIRST MEETING
09/24/09 09:44:08 WE MAY HAVE HAD.
09/24/09 09:44:11 YOU MAY NOT REMEMBER I MET YOU
09/24/09 09:44:13 AT A PARTY AND SAID I NEED
09/24/09 09:44:13 HELP.
09/24/09 09:44:14 I WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE YOU AND
09/24/09 09:44:16 MARY FOR THE LOGO BEFORE SHE
09/24/09 09:44:19 WAS EVER INVOLVED WITH
09/24/09 09:44:20 CITY
09/24/09 09:44:23 COUNCIL AND COUNCILMAN
09/24/09 09:44:27 DINGFELDER HELPING
09/24/09 09:44:27 US GET
09/24/09 09:44:27 FUNDING.
09/24/09 09:44:29 THAT IS A LOT.
09/24/09 09:44:32 >> WE WILL TAKE OUR
09/24/09 09:44:32 TROPHY
09/24/09 09:44:32 THOUGH.
09/24/09 09:44:34 >> THEY HAVE THROWN DOWN THE
09/24/09 09:44:36 GAUNTLET AND CHALLENGED US NOW
09/24/09 09:44:36 BUT I THINK --
09/24/09 09:44:38 >> YOU GOT TO COME OUT.
09/24/09 09:44:41 >> WE WILL GET COUNTY
09/24/09 09:44:42 COMMISSION AND PUT TOGETHER A
09/24/09 09:44:42 TEAM.
09/24/09 09:44:44 >> IN MAY WE HAVE SPRING
09/24/09 09:44:47 TRAINING TOURNAMENT SO YOU HAVE
09/24/09 09:44:48 FROM NOW UNTIL MAY TO PRACTICE
09/24/09 09:44:50 AND THEN YOU CAN START.
09/24/09 09:44:52 >> HE IS THE BALLPLAYER.
09/24/09 09:44:53 >> ALL RIGHT.
09/24/09 09:44:56 >> THANK
09/24/09 09:44:58 YOU.
09/24/09 09:45:00 >> IT'S ON.
09/24/09 09:45:00 >> CONGRATULATIONS.
09/24/09 09:45:03 >> THANKS
09/24/09 09:45:06 FOR
09/24/09 09:45:12 COMING DOWN.
09/24/09 09:45:15 >>> WE WOULD MOVE NOW TO OUR
09/24/09 09:45:15 FIRST WORKSHOP.
09/24/09 09:45:18 BEFORE WE DO THAT, WE HAVE A
09/24/09 09:45:20 NUMBER OF WORKSHOPS SCHEDULED
09/24/09 09:45:22 THIS MORNING AND I AM WONDERING
09/24/09 09:45:25 THERE ARE A COUPLE THAT ARE --
09/24/09 09:45:27 I WOULD LIKE TO SEE I WOULD
09/24/09 09:45:28 REALLY LIKE TO GET TO BEFORE
09/24/09 09:45:31 LUNCHTIME, THAT IS THE
09/24/09 09:45:33 ONE FOR
09/24/09 09:45:34 11:00 SCHEDULED 11 BUT OUR TIME
09/24/09 09:45:37 --SO I AM WONDERING ARE
09/24/09 09:45:37 THERE
09/24/09 09:45:41 ANY OPPORTUNITYS TO MOVE SOME
09/24/09 09:45:44 OF THESE AROUND OR
09/24/09 09:45:46 CONTINUE ANY
09/24/09 09:45:46 OF THEM?
09/24/09 09:45:49 >> AS A MOVER ON ITEM 7, I
09/24/09 09:45:51 DON'T THINK THERE IS ANY
09/24/09 09:45:54 URGENCY SINCE WE DON'T HAVE
09/24/09 09:45:55 ANY
09/24/09 09:45:58 CAMPAIGNS COMING ANY
09/24/09 09:45:58 TIME SOON
09/24/09 09:46:00 IF YOU WANT TO DEFER THAT WE
09/24/09 09:46:01 CAN GET IT TO JANUARY.
09/24/09 09:46:04 >> YOU WANT TO MAKE THAT
09/24/09 09:46:04 A
09/24/09 09:46:05 MOTION.
09/24/09 09:46:06 >> YEAH, JANUARY 10:00 A.M.
09/24/09 09:46:06 >> SECOND.
09/24/09 09:46:09 >> MOVE AND SECOND BY
09/24/09 09:46:09 COUNCIL
09/24/09 09:46:12 WOMAN SAUL-SENA
09/24/09 09:46:15 ON ITEM 7,
09/24/09 09:46:17 CITATION PROCESS RELATING TO
09/24/09 09:46:18 POLITICAL CAMPAIGN SIGNS.
09/24/09 09:46:20 ALL THOSE IN FAVOUR SAY AYE.
09/24/09 09:46:21 >> AYE.
09/24/09 09:46:24 >> WE WILL MOVE NOW AND
09/24/09 09:46:25 TAKE UP
09/24/09 09:46:27 ITEM NUMBER 6. COUNCILMAN
09/24/09 09:46:29 MIRANDA THIS IS YOUR ITEM.
09/24/09 09:46:31 >> YES, SIR.
09/24/09 09:46:32 HONOURABLE MEMBERS OF COUNCIL I
09/24/09 09:46:35 BROUGHT THIS UP BECAUSE IT IS A
09/24/09 09:46:37 MOST IN MY MIND THE MOST
09/24/09 09:46:40 IMPORTANT ISSUE THAT WILL COME
09/24/09 09:46:42 BEFORE THE COUNCIL FOR YEARS TO
09/24/09 09:46:42 COME.
09/24/09 09:46:45 A HUMAN BEING CAN LIVE THREE
09/24/09 09:46:47 WEEKS WITHOUT WATER --EXCUSE
09/24/09 09:46:48 ME THREE WEEKS WITHOUT FOOD BUT
09/24/09 09:46:51 ONLY ABOUT THREE
09/24/09 09:46:53 DAYS WITHOUT
09/24/09 09:46:53 WATER.
09/24/09 09:46:54 THE ECONOMIC DISCUSSION OF THIS
09/24/09 09:46:57 COUNTRY IS WHO
09/24/09 09:46:58 CONTROLS WATER
09/24/09 09:47:01 CONTROLS ECONOMICS OF THEIR
09/24/09 09:47:02 AREA.
09/24/09 09:47:03 THIS IS VITAL FOR THE
09/24/09 09:47:05 ENVIRONMENT, VITAL FOR THE
09/24/09 09:47:07 SUSTAINABILITY OF THIS CITY, IT
09/24/09 09:47:10 IS VITAL THAT WE REALIZE THAT
09/24/09 09:47:12 WE HAVE AN ASSET THAT IF WE
09/24/09 09:47:15 DON'T DO SOMETHING WITH IT, IN
09/24/09 09:47:17 THE VERY NEAR FUTURE.
09/24/09 09:47:18 LET ME JUST SAY NOT BECAUSE I
09/24/09 09:47:19 AM SAYING IT.
09/24/09 09:47:20 THIS IS NOT ABOUT ME.
09/24/09 09:47:22 THIS HAS BEEN THERE BEFORE.
09/24/09 09:47:23 THE LEGISLATURE OR SOME OTHER
09/24/09 09:47:25 GOVERNMENT, SOME OTHER AGENCY
09/24/09 09:47:28 IS GOING TO
09/24/09 09:47:29 TAKE THAT 55
09/24/09 09:47:30 MILLION-GALLONS AWAY FROM US.
09/24/09 09:47:33 YOUR FRIENDS IN WATER TODAY
09/24/09 09:47:34 ARE
09/24/09 09:47:34 ALSO TODAY'S ENEMIES.
09/24/09 09:47:35 I MEAN THAT GENTLY.
09/24/09 09:47:38 LET ME ALSO SAY THAT IN THE
09/24/09 09:47:39 NEXT FOUR DECADES THIS COUNTRY
09/24/09 09:47:42 IS GOING TO HAVE AN INCREASE
09/24/09 09:47:42 OF
09/24/09 09:47:42 120 MILLION PEOPLE.
09/24/09 09:47:44 AND IN SAYING THAT, THAT IS A
09/24/09 09:47:46 BIRTH EVERY 11 SECONDS.
09/24/09 09:47:48 LET ME ALSO SAY THAT THAT
09/24/09 09:47:51 EQUATES TO MISSISSIPPI REGIONS
09/24/09 09:47:54 POPULATION AND
09/24/09 09:47:55 IN THAT
09/24/09 09:47:56 POPULATION, THE MISSISSIPPI
09/24/09 09:47:58 RIVER STARTS WAY UP ON THE
09/24/09 09:48:00 OTHER SIDE OF MINNESOTA, MEETS
09/24/09 09:48:03 UP WITH THE ALLEGHENY AND OHIO
09/24/09 09:48:03 RIVER COMING DOWN.
09/24/09 09:48:06 EVERY 5 MILES YOU HAVE A
09/24/09 09:48:06 DUMPING SOURCE.
09/24/09 09:48:07 WHAT DO YOU THINK THE PEOPLE IN
09/24/09 09:48:10 NEW ORLEANS
09/24/09 09:48:11 ARE DRINKING?
09/24/09 09:48:14 WATER IS FINE, THEY HAVE
09/24/09 09:48:15 TECHNOLOGY, USED TO BE 1 PART
09/24/09 09:48:18 PER MILLION OF SOMETHING WAS
09/24/09 09:48:18 ACCEPTABLE.
09/24/09 09:48:21 THEN 1 PART PER
09/24/09 09:48:21 BILLION.
09/24/09 09:48:22 GUESS WHAT?
09/24/09 09:48:24 NOW THROUGH TECHNOLOGY 1 PART
09/24/09 09:48:27 IN A TRILLION THAT IS
09/24/09 09:48:27 ACCEPTABLE.
09/24/09 09:48:29 FOR THIS CITY NOT TO ACT AND TO
09/24/09 09:48:32 LET THIS OPPORTUNITY GO AND THE
09/24/09 09:48:33 REASON WE HAVE RECLAIM IN THE
09/24/09 09:48:36 CITY TODAY IS BECAUSE OF
09/24/09 09:48:39 THE
09/24/09 09:48:42 OLD TORP PROGRAM THEY HAD
09/24/09 09:48:43 THE
09/24/09 09:48:44 RESERVOIR AND TORP.
09/24/09 09:48:47 THE FIRST TWO WERE APPROVED
09/24/09 09:48:47 BY
09/24/09 09:48:50 THE REGION THE LAST ONE WAS
09/24/09 09:48:50 LEFT HANGING.
09/24/09 09:48:52 WE HAD MONEY FROM THE FEDERAL
09/24/09 09:48:55 GOVERNMENT TO DO WHAT WE DID
09/24/09 09:48:57 AND 12-POINT SOMETHING MILLION
09/24/09 09:48:57 LEFT OVER.
09/24/09 09:48:59 THAT MONEY WAS DIVERTED TO
09/24/09 09:49:00 RECLAIM.
09/24/09 09:49:02 WITHOUT THAT WE WOULD NEVER
09/24/09 09:49:04 HAVE HAD RECLAIM EVEN THOUGH I
09/24/09 09:49:06 WORK WITH SOME COUNCIL MEMBERS
09/24/09 09:49:08 HERE ON RECLAIM YEARS AGO IT IS
09/24/09 09:49:10 MY HUMBLE OPINION THAT IT DOES
09/24/09 09:49:12 NOT PAY OFF IN THE LONG RUN.
09/24/09 09:49:14 LET ME EXPLAIN WHY.
09/24/09 09:49:16 20% OF THE POPULATION CAN ONLY
09/24/09 09:49:18 GET RECLAIM NO MATTER WHO SAYS
09/24/09 09:49:20 WHAT BECAUSE IT TAKES FIVE
09/24/09 09:49:22 HOMES TO GET RECLAIM FOR ONE
09/24/09 09:49:25 AND IN DOING THAT, IT IS
09/24/09 09:49:25 VERY
09/24/09 09:49:25 EXPENSIVE.
09/24/09 09:49:27 THIS IS MY ESTIMATE BUT THE
09/24/09 09:49:30 ESTIMATES I GET FROM AROUND
09/24/09 09:49:32 LOOKING AND SEARCHING IS THAT
09/24/09 09:49:34 RECLAIM FOR 20% OF THE
09/24/09 09:49:37 POPULATION WOULD COST SOMEWHERE
09/24/09 09:49:39 BETWEEN 350 MILLION TO $400
09/24/09 09:49:39 MILLION.
09/24/09 09:49:42 WHAT IS THE VALUE OF IT, MAYBE
09/24/09 09:49:43 8 MILLION-GALLONS WILL BE USED?
09/24/09 09:49:46 SO WHY NOT TAKE A BOLD STEP,
09/24/09 09:49:48 LET THE PUBLIC DECIDE, YOU KNOW
09/24/09 09:49:50 WE CAN DO THIS BY ORDINANCE
09/24/09 09:49:51 OURSELVES BY FOUR VOTES.
09/24/09 09:49:52 I AM NOT LOOKING FOR THAT.
09/24/09 09:49:55 I WANT TO PUT THE PUBLIC
09/24/09 09:49:56 INVOLVED SO THEY KNOW.
09/24/09 09:49:57 WE ARE NOT THE FIRST ONES WHO
09/24/09 09:49:58 TRIED TO DO THIS.
09/24/09 09:50:01 THIS IS DONE IN CALIFORNIA,
09/24/09 09:50:02 TEXAS, MIAMI AND WEST PALM
09/24/09 09:50:03 BEACH.
09/24/09 09:50:06 ALL OVER THE WORLD THIS IS
09/24/09 09:50:06 DONE.
09/24/09 09:50:08 THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WITHOUT
09/24/09 09:50:09 THIS RESOURCE, THIS CITY YOU
09/24/09 09:50:12 CAN FORGET ABOUT THE BULLET
09/24/09 09:50:15 TRAIN, FORGET ABOUT LIGHT RAIL,
09/24/09 09:50:17 YOU FORGET ABOUT THE
09/24/09 09:50:18 DEVELOPMENT WITHOUT WATER THOSE
09/24/09 09:50:19 HERE ARE GOING TO LEAVE.
09/24/09 09:50:22 WE DO HAVE A DROUGHT EVERY SO
09/24/09 09:50:23 OFTEN AND REMEMBER THAT REVIVOR
09/24/09 09:50:26 WILL BE DOWN FOR SOME PERIOD OF
09/24/09 09:50:28 --RESERVOIR WILL BE DOWN FOR
09/24/09 09:50:30 SOME PERIOD OF TIME BETWEEN
09/24/09 09:50:33 2012 AND 2013 FOR A YEAR
09/24/09 09:50:34 OR
09/24/09 09:50:34 TWO.
09/24/09 09:50:35 WHAT DOES THAT MEAN FOR US.
09/24/09 09:50:38 IF WE HAVE A DROUGHT DUE IN
09/24/09 09:50:40 THAT PERIOD OF TIME THAT IT IS
09/24/09 09:50:42 DOWN FORGET ABOUT HAND WATERING
09/24/09 09:50:42 OR ANYTHING.
09/24/09 09:50:45 WE DON'T HAVE THE RESOURCE
09/24/09 09:50:45 TO
09/24/09 09:50:47 CONTINUE THE PROGRESS OF THIS
09/24/09 09:50:47 CITY.
09/24/09 09:50:49 I KNOW AND I UNDERSTAND THAT
09/24/09 09:50:51 SOME IN THE ADMINISTRATION IS
09/24/09 09:50:53 GOING TO SAY THIS IS WRONG.
09/24/09 09:50:55 WELL, THEN I ASK YOU TO PROVE
09/24/09 09:50:56 TO ME THAT THIS IS WRONG.
09/24/09 09:50:59 NOT THAT I AM WRONG BUT THAT
09/24/09 09:51:00 THE IDEA IS WRONG.
09/24/09 09:51:02 IT WAS APPROVED AND WE SPENT
09/24/09 09:51:04 MILLIONS OF DOLLARS ON IT YEARS
09/24/09 09:51:04 BACK.
09/24/09 09:51:07 HAD ALL THE NEEDS WE
09/24/09 09:51:08 NEED.
09/24/09 09:51:11 LET'S TALK ABOUT THE LOAD.
09/24/09 09:51:12 WHEN WE PUT 55 MILLION THAT WE
09/24/09 09:51:15 ARE DOING AND THIS TIME NOW,
09/24/09 09:51:17 GUESS WHAT THAT DOES, WE HAVE
09/24/09 09:51:19 ALREADY BEEN WARNED BY EPA
09/24/09 09:51:22 AFTER THAT AMOUNT IT WILL NOT
09/24/09 09:51:22 BE ACCEPTABLE.
09/24/09 09:51:25 SO WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO
09/24/09 09:51:26 DO
09/24/09 09:51:26 WITH IT?
09/24/09 09:51:28 I THINK THAT THE 200 MILLION OR
09/24/09 09:51:31 SO WE PUT INTO
09/24/09 09:51:32 THE ADVANCED
09/24/09 09:51:34 TREATMENT PLANT WAS A STEP IN
09/24/09 09:51:35 THE RIGHT DIRECTION ALTHOUGH
09/24/09 09:51:38 SOME OTHER CITIES USE THE MONEY
09/24/09 09:51:41 FOR DISTRIBUTION RECLAIM,
09/24/09 09:51:43 WE
09/24/09 09:51:45 PUT IN ADVANCE TUBE AREA
09/24/09 09:51:46 TREATMENT PLANT.
09/24/09 09:51:48 I HAVE TO INCLUDE IT BUT I WILL
09/24/09 09:51:49 NOT TALK ABOUT WHAT YOU ARE
09/24/09 09:51:52 DRINKING IN THE RIVER.
09/24/09 09:51:55 RIGHT TODAY AND ANYONE HERE
09/24/09 09:51:57 MORE INTELLIGENT THAN I AM IN
09/24/09 09:51:59 THE WATER CAN SPEAK ON IT BUT
09/24/09 09:52:02 THE RECLAIMED WATER THAT COMES
09/24/09 09:52:04 OUT OF THE HOWARD KERN PLANT
09/24/09 09:52:07 TODAY IS BETTER THAN 90% OF THE
09/24/09 09:52:07 WORLD'S WATER.
09/24/09 09:52:10 LET ME ALSO TELL YOU
09/24/09 09:52:11 2 MILLION
09/24/09 09:52:14 PEOPLE DIE A YEAR BECAUSE OF
09/24/09 09:52:14 CONTAMINATED WATER.
09/24/09 09:52:16 AND IT IS NOT FROM WHAT I AM
09/24/09 09:52:17 TALKING ABOUT.
09/24/09 09:52:20 IT IS THROUGHOUT THE WORLD.
09/24/09 09:52:21 WE HAVE A PROBLEM NOT ONLY IN
09/24/09 09:52:23 THIS AREA, IN THIS COUNTRY AND
09/24/09 09:52:26 IN THIS WORLD, WARS WILL
09/24/09 09:52:26 BE
09/24/09 09:52:27 FOUGHT WITH WATER.
09/24/09 09:52:29 LET ME JUST TELL YOU THAT I
09/24/09 09:52:30 KNOW WHAT I AM GOING TO DO.
09/24/09 09:52:32 I AM GOING TO LET THE PUBLIC
09/24/09 09:52:32 DECIDE.
09/24/09 09:52:35 THIS WILL BE PUT ON THE
09/24/09 09:52:35 BALLOT
09/24/09 09:52:38 IN A CITY
09/24/09 09:52:40 ELECTION OF 2011.
09/24/09 09:52:41 NOT IN A GENERAL ELECTION.
09/24/09 09:52:43 THAT IS WHAT THE LAWS CALL FOR.
09/24/09 09:52:45 AND I AM NOT GOING TO SPEAK ON
09/24/09 09:52:48 IT AND IT IS JUST SOMETHING
09/24/09 09:52:51 THAT IF WE
09/24/09 09:52:54 DO NOT
09/24/09 09:52:56 ACCEPT THE
09/24/09 09:52:57 REALIZATION THAT TECHNOLOGY --
09/24/09 09:52:58 IF YOU HAVE BEEN TO THE SOURCE
09/24/09 09:53:01 SUPPLY --IF YOU HAVE
09/24/09 09:53:02 BEEN TO
09/24/09 09:53:03 WASHINGTON DC, YOU MORE OR
09/24/09 09:53:06 LIKELY DRANK SOME OF
09/24/09 09:53:08 THIS
09/24/09 09:53:08 WATER.
09/24/09 09:53:11 LAKE LINEAR IN ATLANTA SERVES 5
09/24/09 09:53:14 MILLION PEOPLE,
09/24/09 09:53:15 GETS 25 MILLION-
09/24/09 09:53:16 GALLONS A DAY FROM INFUSION
09/24/09 09:53:19 COMING DOWN
09/24/09 09:53:22 FROM ALABAMA,
09/24/09 09:53:25 GEORGIA AND
09/24/09 09:53:33 APPALACHIANS AND IT WILL BE
09/24/09 09:53:35 MONITORED LIKE OUR WATER IS.
09/24/09 09:53:37 I AM ASKING TO HAVE THE PUBLIC
09/24/09 09:53:39 THE RIGHT TO VOTE ON SOMETHING.
09/24/09 09:53:42 NOT US THE PUBLIC
09/24/09 09:53:45 IN
09/24/09 09:53:45 2011.
09/24/09 09:53:45 THANK YOU.
09/24/09 09:53:47 >> MR. MIRANDA DO YOU KNOW --
09/24/09 09:53:50 I REMEMBER READING ABOUT
09/24/09 09:53:50 THIS,
09/24/09 09:53:53 SOME MUNICIPALITY IN PINELLAS,
09/24/09 09:53:54 WAS MOVING TOWARD THIS.
09/24/09 09:53:57 THIS WAS A COUPLE YEARS
09/24/09 09:53:57 AGO.
09/24/09 09:53:57 ANYBODY KNOW?
09/24/09 09:53:59 >> I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER.
09/24/09 09:54:01 >> I DON'T REMEMBER WHO IT WAS
09/24/09 09:54:03 BUT I REMEMBER IN THE PAPER ON
09/24/09 09:54:06 THE NEWS THE MAYOR WAS DRINKING
09/24/09 09:54:08 RECLAIMED WATER TO SHOW IT WAS
09/24/09 09:54:08 SAFE.
09/24/09 09:54:10 I DON'T KNOW HOW FAR THEY GOT.
09/24/09 09:54:13 I AM FOR INVESTIGATING ANY
09/24/09 09:54:13 --
09/24/09 09:54:16 YOU KNOW MORE ABOUT THIS THAN
09/24/09 09:54:18 CERTAINLY I DO BUT
09/24/09 09:54:18 INVESTIGATING ANY SOURCE
09/24/09 09:54:21 BECAUSE YOU ARE RIGHT, IT IS
09/24/09 09:54:22 GOING TO BE --IT IS GOING TO
09/24/09 09:54:25 BE THE PROBLEM TO HAVE 21st
09/24/09 09:54:25 CENTURY.
09/24/09 09:54:28 REALLY IT IS SCARY BECAUSE
09/24/09 09:54:29 EVEN
09/24/09 09:54:30 THE PROBLEMS THAT YOU ARE
09/24/09 09:54:33 FORESEEING AND WE ARE ALL
09/24/09 09:54:34 FORESEEING NOW WITH SCARCITY IF
09/24/09 09:54:36 WE CONTINUE TO HEAT UP THE
09/24/09 09:54:38 CLIMATE, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE
09/24/09 09:54:39 ALL THIS SALT WATER INTRUSION
09/24/09 09:54:42 INTO OUR --SO WE HAVE TO DO
09/24/09 09:54:44 SOMETHING AND I APPLAUD YOU FOR
09/24/09 09:54:47 BEING BRAVE ENOUGH TO
09/24/09 09:54:49 MAKE THIS
09/24/09 09:54:49 SUGGESTION.
09/24/09 09:54:51 MY THOUGHT IS WE NEED --I
09/24/09 09:54:54 NEED TO HEAR MORE ABOUT
09/24/09 09:54:54 OTHER
09/24/09 09:54:54 POSSIBILITIES.
09/24/09 09:54:56 AND WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT OTHER
09/24/09 09:54:59 PLACES IN THE U.S. AND IN THE
09/24/09 09:55:00 WORLD DOING THIS, THERE IS ALSO
09/24/09 09:55:02 A LOT OF PLACES THAT ARE DOING
09/24/09 09:55:05 DESALINATION AND IT IS
09/24/09 09:55:05 WORKING
09/24/09 09:55:08 SO I KNOW THAT IS NOT SOMETHING
09/24/09 09:55:10 CITY COUNCIL CAN DO MUCH ABOUT
09/24/09 09:55:13 BUT WE CERTAINLY --THE AREA
09/24/09 09:55:14 CERTAINLY OUGHT TO BE FIGURING
09/24/09 09:55:18 OUT OUR PROBLEMS WITH
09/24/09 09:55:18 THAT AND
09/24/09 09:55:20 GOOD TO HEAR WHAT HOPEFULLY
09/24/09 09:55:22 SOMEONE FROM TODAY CAN LET US
09/24/09 09:55:23 KNOW, WHAT PROGRESS WE ARE
09/24/09 09:55:25 MAKING WITH OUR G CELL PLAN.
09/24/09 09:55:28 I AM LOOKING FORWARD TO HEARING
09/24/09 09:55:30 FROM EVERYONE AND I ALSO
09/24/09 09:55:32 CHRISTINE IS LOOKING IT UP FROM
09/24/09 09:55:33 ME BUT THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT
09/24/09 09:55:36 SEMINARS THAT YOU MIGHT KNOW
09/24/09 09:55:38 ABOUT THESE ALREADY BUT THE
09/24/09 09:55:39 PHYSICIANS FOR SOCIAL
09/24/09 09:55:40 RESPONSIBILITY IS PUTTING
09/24/09 09:55:41 TOGETHER A SEMINAR ON WATER
09/24/09 09:55:43 THAT IS GOING TO BE HAPPENING
09/24/09 09:55:45 IN OCTOBER OR NOVEMBER AND THEN
09/24/09 09:55:48 THERE WAS ANOTHER
09/24/09 09:55:49 GLOBAL WATER
09/24/09 09:55:51 THING SO I AM GOING GET THOSE
09/24/09 09:55:54 DATES SO WE CAN
09/24/09 09:55:56 SHARE THEM.
09/24/09 09:55:56 >> DINGFELDER.
09/24/09 09:55:57 >> THANK YOU MADAME CHAIR.
09/24/09 09:56:00 I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK TO THIS
09/24/09 09:56:03 YET UNTIL WE DO HEAR
09/24/09 09:56:04 FROM
09/24/09 09:56:04 STAFF.
09/24/09 09:56:07 LAST WEEK WE MADE A
09/24/09 09:56:08 MOTION AND
09/24/09 09:56:10 ASKED MR. DAGNON AND MR. BARE
09/24/09 09:56:13 LET TO COME JOIN US AND TALK TO
09/24/09 09:56:16 US ABOUT WHAT THEY KNOW
09/24/09 09:56:17 ABOUT
09/24/09 09:56:19 MR. MIRANDA'S PROPOSITION.
09/24/09 09:56:23 ALSO WE RECEIVED --
09/24/09 09:56:24 THE CITY
09/24/09 09:56:27 FUNDED LAST YEAR THIS RECLAIMED
09/24/09 09:56:28 WATER MASTER PLAN.
09/24/09 09:56:30 I THINK COUNCIL RECEIVED A
09/24/09 09:56:33 REPORT ON
09/24/09 09:56:34 IT.
09/24/09 09:56:36 ON PAGE ES-6 IN THE SUMMARY,
09/24/09 09:56:38 EXECUTIVE SUMMARY IN THE
09/24/09 09:56:40 BEGINNING IT TALKS ABOUT
09/24/09 09:56:42 RECOMMENDED POLICY REVISIONS
09/24/09 09:56:43 AND POLICIES AND
09/24/09 09:56:44 PROCEDURETHINGS THAT WE NEED TO
09/24/09 09:56:47 DO AS A COMMUNITY
09/24/09 09:56:50 TO IMPROVE
09/24/09 09:56:51 OUR
09/24/09 09:56:52 PROGRAM.
09/24/09 09:56:54 AND WE SPENT WHAT, HUNDREDS OF
09/24/09 09:56:56 THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS ON
09/24/09 09:56:59 ENGINEERS TO STUDY OUR
09/24/09 09:57:00 ENTIRE
09/24/09 09:57:02 RECLAIMED WATER PROGRAM AS IT
09/24/09 09:57:03 EXISTS AND SHOULD EXIST AND --
09/24/09 09:57:06 OR AS IT COULD EXIST IN THE FEW
09/24/09 09:57:07 WHICH ARE.
09/24/09 09:57:10 AND IN TALKING TO
09/24/09 09:57:11 MR. DAGNON
09/24/09 09:57:13 YESTERDAY I THINK HE SAID
09/24/09 09:57:14 FRANKLY THEY NEED TO COME TO
09/24/09 09:57:17 COUNCIL AND GET SOME
09/24/09 09:57:19 OF THESE
09/24/09 09:57:20 PROGRAMS MOVING AND WE ALL NEED
09/24/09 09:57:22 TO MOVE TOGETHER ON IT.
09/24/09 09:57:23 AS I READ THROUGH THIS IN THE
09/24/09 09:57:25 LAST COUPLE OF DAYS, I DIDN'T
09/24/09 09:57:28 SEE ANY WHERE ON HERE THAT
09/24/09 09:57:32 SPOKE ABOUT RECYCLING
09/24/09 09:57:32 OUR WATER
09/24/09 09:57:35 DIRECTLY --
09/24/09 09:57:37 RECYCLING OUR
09/24/09 09:57:39 TREATED WATER ANY WHERE INTO
09/24/09 09:57:40 OUR DRINKING WATER.
09/24/09 09:57:41 WITH THAT I WOULD LOVE FOR HIM
09/24/09 09:57:43 TO COME AND SPEAK TO US ABOUT
09/24/09 09:57:46 THE ADMINISTRATION POSITION
09/24/09 09:57:46 ON
09/24/09 09:57:49 THE RECYCLED STUDY AS WELL AS
09/24/09 09:57:52 ON MR.
09/24/09 09:57:55 MIRANDA'S
09/24/09 09:57:59 SUGGESTION.
09/24/09 09:57:59 THANK YOU.
09/24/09 09:58:02 >> THANK YOU I WANT
09/24/09 09:58:03 TO THANK
09/24/09 09:58:06 MR. DAGNON AND MR. BIRD COMING
09/24/09 09:58:09 TO THE RIVER
09/24/09 09:58:09 ROUND TABLE
09/24/09 09:58:10 MEETING.
09/24/09 09:58:11 MR. BAIRD GIVE AN INTERESTING
09/24/09 09:58:12 DESCRIPTION FOR DIFFERENT
09/24/09 09:58:14 POSSIBILITIES FOR THE FUTURE.
09/24/09 09:58:16 THE IMPRESSION I WAS LEFT WITH
09/24/09 09:58:19 AT THE END WAS
09/24/09 09:58:22 THIS IS
09/24/09 09:58:23 ALL
09/24/09 09:58:23 TREMENDOUSLY COMPLICATED AND IF
09/24/09 09:58:26 WE WERE TO DO SOMETHING IT
09/24/09 09:58:29 WOULDN'T JUST PROBABLY BE
09/24/09 09:58:29 CITY
09/24/09 09:58:31 OF TAMPA ACTING ALONE BUT
09/24/09 09:58:34 ACTING IN TANDEM AT LEAST
09/24/09 09:58:35 WITH
09/24/09 09:58:38 FINANCIAL SUPPORT PER
09/24/09 09:58:41 HAPPEN
09/24/09 09:58:42 S
09/24/09 09:58:44 WITH SMUDD, PERHAPS TAMPA BAY
09/24/09 09:58:44 WATER.
09/24/09 09:58:45 WHILE THIS WILL BE INTERESTING
09/24/09 09:58:48 IT MAY BE PREMATURE FOR US
09/24/09 09:58:50 TO
09/24/09 09:58:53 IDENTIFY A PROJECT, IDENTIFY
09/24/09 09:58:54 PRICE TAGHAVE SOMETHING THAT IS
09/24/09 09:58:56 VOTEABLE OTHER THAN IN A VERY
09/24/09 09:58:59 GENERIC WAY IN SEVERAL
09/24/09 09:59:00 YEARS.
09/24/09 09:59:01 >> OKAY.
09/24/09 09:59:01 ANYONE FROM ADMINISTRATION WANT
09/24/09 09:59:04 TO MAKE A PRESENTATION
09/24/09 09:59:07 AT
09/24/09 09:59:08 THIS
09/24/09 09:59:08 TIME?
09/24/09 09:59:11 >> GOOD MORNING.
09/24/09 09:59:14 STEVE DAGNOL
09/24/09 09:59:14 ADMINISTRATOR FOR
09/24/09 09:59:15 PUBLIC WORKS.
09/24/09 09:59:16 THERE IS A COUPLE SLIDES I
09/24/09 09:59:20 WOULD LIKE TO PUT UP
09/24/09 09:59:23 IF
09/24/09 09:59:27 I COULD.
09/24/09 09:59:29 JUST START WITH A LITTLE BIT OF
09/24/09 09:59:30 AN OVERVIEW.
09/24/09 09:59:31 WE THINK IT IS VERY IMPORTANT
09/24/09 09:59:33 IF YOU ARE LOOKING AT OUR WATER
09/24/09 09:59:36 SITUATION AS WELL AS
09/24/09 09:59:37 THE
09/24/09 09:59:37 RECLAIMED SPECIFICALLY,
09/24/09 09:59:40 IMPORTANT TO FIND COST
09/24/09 09:59:41 EFFECTIVE AND EFFICIENT,
09/24/09 09:59:44 FEASIBLE WAYS TO USE OUR
09/24/09 09:59:44 RECLAIMED WATER.
09/24/09 09:59:46 IN ADDITION TO THAT AS WAS
09/24/09 09:59:48 POINTED OUT ALREADY WE HAVE
09/24/09 09:59:50 DONE A RECLAIM MASTER PLAN.
09/24/09 09:59:53 IT DID COST US $148,000,
09/24/09 09:59:54 COMPLETED IN A JUNE TIMEFRAME
09/24/09 09:59:57 AND WE BRIEFED COUNCIL ON
09/24/09 10:00:00 CONCEPTUALLY WHAT
09/24/09 10:00:01 IS
09/24/09 10:00:02 RECOMMENDED IN THERE.
09/24/09 10:00:05 THIS WOULD USE ALL OF THE
09/24/09 10:00:08 CITY'S RECLAIMED WATER AND NOT
09/24/09 10:00:10 ALL FOR IRRIGATION.
09/24/09 10:00:13 IT WOULD RECOMMEND SOME
09/24/09 10:00:14 BE USED
09/24/09 10:00:15 FOR RECHARGE.
09/24/09 10:00:17 AND THEN WE THINK WE NEED TO
09/24/09 10:00:20 IMPLEMENT THIS PLAN IN PHASES
09/24/09 10:00:23 AS IT IS FINANCIALLY FEASIBLE.
09/24/09 10:00:24 EVERYONE KNOW WHAT IS THE
09/24/09 10:00:26 ECONOMIC SITUATION IS NOW, IT
09/24/09 10:00:28 IS DIFFICULT TO FUND BIG
09/24/09 10:00:29 PROGRAMS BUT WE SHOULD FUND
09/24/09 10:00:32 THIS AS
09/24/09 10:00:35 IT IS FEASIBLE.
09/24/09 10:00:41 AS YOU ALL KNOW
09/24/09 10:00:41 PREVIOUSLY THE
09/24/09 10:00:44 CITY DID HAVE WHAT WAS
09/24/09 10:00:45 CALLED
09/24/09 10:00:48 TORP OR TAMPA
09/24/09 10:00:49 WATER RESOURCE
09/24/09 10:00:49 RECOVERY PROJECT.
09/24/09 10:00:52 THIS WOULD
09/24/09 10:00:54 HAVE DELIVERED 50
09/24/09 10:00:56 MILLION-GALLON AS DAY WE WILL
09/24/09 10:00:57 CALL IT PURIFIED BUT TREATED
09/24/09 10:00:59 BEYOND WHAT IS CURRENTLY
09/24/09 10:01:02 TREATED AT THE CURRENT PLANT.
09/24/09 10:01:03 SO ADDITIONALLY TREATED,
09/24/09 10:01:05 RECLAIMED WATER TO THE TAMPA
09/24/09 10:01:07 BYPASS CANAL TO SUPPLEMENT
09/24/09 10:01:08 DRINKING WATER SOURCES THERE.
09/24/09 10:01:11 THE COST JUST FOR THE
09/24/09 10:01:11 STUDY,
09/24/09 10:01:14 PUBLIC INVOLVEMENT AND
09/24/09 10:01:15 PERMITTING WAS $4.5 MILLION,
09/24/09 10:01:18 YOU WILL SEE THERE IS A
09/24/09 10:01:20 TIMEFRAME THERE OF ABOUT 1983
09/24/09 10:01:21 TO 1998, KIND OF EBBED AND
09/24/09 10:01:24 WANED IN THERE IT STARTED,
09/24/09 10:01:26 STOPPED, SLOWED DOWN, CAME
09/24/09 10:01:26 BACK.
09/24/09 10:01:29 1998 I THINK IS WHEN
09/24/09 10:01:31 IT WAS
09/24/09 10:01:32 CONSIDERED AGAINST SOME OTHER
09/24/09 10:01:34 PROJECTS WITHIN TAMPA BAY WATER
09/24/09 10:01:37 AND AGAIN SO THAT IS
09/24/09 10:01:39 KIND OF
09/24/09 10:01:42 THE TIMEFRAME
09/24/09 10:01:44 THE PROJECT
09/24/09 10:01:44 ENDED.
09/24/09 10:01:47 SKI MATICALLY THIS IS WHAT
09/24/09 10:01:48 THEY
09/24/09 10:01:51 WOULD HAVE DONE YOU WOULD
09/24/09 10:01:51 HAVE
09/24/09 10:01:52 HAD TREATMENT, ADVANCED
09/24/09 10:01:55 TREATMENT --WE CALL IT
09/24/09 10:01:56 SUPPLEMENTAL TREATMENT BEYOND
09/24/09 10:01:58 HOWARD KERN AND THEN THAT WATER
09/24/09 10:02:00 WOULD HAVE GONE INTO THE BYPASS
09/24/09 10:02:02 CANAL, OUT OF THE BYPASS CANAL
09/24/09 10:02:05 IT COULD HAVE GONE
09/24/09 10:02:06 INTO THE
09/24/09 10:02:07 HILLSBOROUGH RESERVOIR OR BEEN
09/24/09 10:02:09 WITH DRAWN BY TAMPA BAY WATER
09/24/09 10:02:12 FOR THEIR NEW WATER
09/24/09 10:02:13 TREATMENT
09/24/09 10:02:13 PLANT.
09/24/09 10:02:14 FIT WAS IN A ROSE VARY IT WOULD
09/24/09 10:02:17 HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP TO OUR --
09/24/09 10:02:18 RESERVOIR IT WOULD HAVE BEEN
09/24/09 10:02:21 BROUGHT UP TO OUR PLANT
09/24/09 10:02:21 AND
09/24/09 10:02:24 TREATED
09/24/09 10:02:27 THERE ADDITIONALLY.
09/24/09 10:02:30 THIS IS KIND OF A
09/24/09 10:02:31 SNAPSHOT
09/24/09 10:02:34 TODAY OF WHAT IS GOING ON AGAIN
09/24/09 10:02:36 SURROUNDING RECLAIMED END WATER
09/24/09 10:02:37 IN GENERAL.
09/24/09 10:02:39 TAMPA BAY WATER AS WE KNOW
09/24/09 10:02:41 CHOSE DESALINATION AND THE
09/24/09 10:02:44 RESERVOIR PROJECTS WHICH HAVE
09/24/09 10:02:50 BEEN BUILT IN
09/24/09 10:02:51 LIEU OF TORP.
09/24/09 10:02:53 WE CURRENTLY DO NOT HAVE A
09/24/09 10:02:56 PROJECT OR PLAN
09/24/09 10:02:57 FOR PURSUING
09/24/09 10:02:57 THIS INDIRECT REUSE.
09/24/09 10:03:00 SO I MEAN, IF THERE IS
09/24/09 10:03:03 A REASON
09/24/09 10:03:04 THIS IS NOT NECESSARILY A GOOD
09/24/09 10:03:06 ITEM TO PUT OUT IN FRONT OF THE
09/24/09 10:03:08 PUBLIC IT MIGHT BE BECAUSE WE
09/24/09 10:03:09 DON'T HAVE A LOT OF GOOD
09/24/09 10:03:10 INFORMATION TO GIVE THEM ON
09/24/09 10:03:13 WHICH TO MAKE A GOOD DESESSION.
09/24/09 10:03:15 SINCE THAT 1998 TIMEFRAME,
09/24/09 10:03:18 REGULATIONS TECHNOLOGY AND AS
09/24/09 10:03:20 MR. MIRANDA, COUNCILMEMBER
09/24/09 10:03:22 MIRANDA SAID EARLIER, LEVELS OF
09/24/09 10:03:24 DETECTION HAVE CHANGED.
09/24/09 10:03:27 ALL THAT WORK DONE PREVIOUSLY
09/24/09 10:03:30 WILL HAVE
09/24/09 10:03:33 TO BE
09/24/09 10:03:36 REGENERATED
09/24/09 10:03:37 AND
09/24/09 10:03:38 ADVANCED FROM THERE.
09/24/09 10:03:39 TO COMPLETE THE FEASIBILITY IT
09/24/09 10:03:41 WOULD COST UP TO $10 MILLION
09/24/09 10:03:44 TAKE IN THE NEIGHBOURHOOD OF 5
09/24/09 10:03:46 YEARS TO GO THROUGH
09/24/09 10:03:49 STUDYPERMITTING WE
09/24/09 10:03:51 DID LAST
09/24/09 10:03:51 TIME.
09/24/09 10:03:54 CURRENTLY WE ARE EXPERIENCING A
09/24/09 10:03:57 LOT OF PRESSURE FROM
09/24/09 10:03:58 THE STATE,
09/24/09 10:04:02 SWIFT MUD TO UTILIZE
09/24/09 10:04:03 THAT
09/24/09 10:04:03 WATER.
09/24/09 10:04:04 AND AS HAS BEEN SAID WE DID DO
09/24/09 10:04:07 THE MASTER PLAN
09/24/09 10:04:08 THAT SUGGESTS
09/24/09 10:04:10 RECLAIMED AND RECHARGE WITH
09/24/09 10:04:11 THAT WATER.
09/24/09 10:04:14 AND THEN WE HAVE THIS TMDL
09/24/09 10:04:15 ISSUE TO DEAL WITH.
09/24/09 10:04:17 WE ARE BEING SQUEEZED BETWEEN A
09/24/09 10:04:20 ROCK AND A HARD SPOT HERE
09/24/09 10:04:22 JUST
09/24/09 10:04:23 FOR THE RECORD.
09/24/09 10:04:24 OVER THE LAST --OUR
09/24/09 10:04:25 RECOMMENDATION AT THIS TIME
09/24/09 10:04:27 WOULD BE TO STAY THE COURSE
09/24/09 10:04:29 WITH THE RECLAIMED WATER MASTER
09/24/09 10:04:31 PLAN, IMPLEMENT THIS PLAN IN
09/24/09 10:04:34 PHASES AS WE SAID WHEN IT
09/24/09 10:04:34 IS
09/24/09 10:04:37 FINANCIALLY FEASIBLE, CONTINUE
09/24/09 10:04:38 TO MONITOR DEVELOPMENT OF
09/24/09 10:04:39 INDIRECT POETABLE PROJECTS
09/24/09 10:04:41 AROUND THE COUNTRY AND SEE
09/24/09 10:04:42 WHICH OF THOSE MIGHT BE
09/24/09 10:04:45 APPLICABLE TO THE CITY.
09/24/09 10:04:48 THANK YOU
09/24/09 10:04:49 COUNCILMEMBERS.
09/24/09 10:04:51 >> COUNCILMAN MIRANDA AND THEN
09/24/09 10:04:51 DINGFELDER.
09/24/09 10:04:53 >> IN ALL DUE RESPECT TO YOU,
09/24/09 10:04:55 THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I HAVE
09/24/09 10:04:58 EVER SEEN YOU MAKE A
09/24/09 10:05:01 PRESENTATION WHERE
09/24/09 10:05:02 YOUR BODY
09/24/09 10:05:04 LANGUAGE TELL ME DOES NOT
09/24/09 10:05:07 EQUATE TO THE WORK YOU PUT OUT.
09/24/09 10:05:10 YOU SEEM TO BE IN THE POSITION
09/24/09 10:05:12 OF WANTING TO SAY SOMETHING BUT
09/24/09 10:05:12 HAVING TO SAY SOMETHING ELSE.
09/24/09 10:05:15 LET ME SAY THIS, WHAT
09/24/09 10:05:15 POPULATION
09/24/09 10:05:17 --HOW MUCH OF THE POPULATION
09/24/09 10:05:20 OF THE TOTAL CITY WILL BE
09/24/09 10:05:22 ELIGIBLE FOR RECLAIM PGH
09/24/09 10:05:25 >> UNDER THE MASTER PLAN,
09/24/09 10:05:27 IT
09/24/09 10:05:29 WOULD BE SOUTH TAMPA AREA AND
09/24/09 10:05:32 NEW TAMPA AREA PRIMARILY
09/24/09 10:05:34 WOULD
09/24/09 10:05:34 BE THE AREAS.
09/24/09 10:05:35 >> WHAT IS PER CENT OF
09/24/09 10:05:36 POPULATION.
09/24/09 10:05:38 >> WE CAN COME UP WITH A
09/24/09 10:05:39 NUMBER.
09/24/09 10:05:41 >> VERY SIMPLE HOW MANY HOUSES
09/24/09 10:05:42 WILL IT MAKE TO RECLAIM FOR
09/24/09 10:05:42 ONE.
09/24/09 10:05:45 I WILL BREAK IT DOWN TO
09/24/09 10:05:45 ELEMENTARY MATH
09/24/09 10:05:48 >> YOU KNOW
09/24/09 10:05:49 IT IS AT LEAST 4
09/24/09 10:05:49 SLOB 1.
09/24/09 10:05:52 >> RIGHT SO ONLY 20% OF
09/24/09 10:05:53 SOME
09/24/09 10:05:54 PEOPLE --4:1
09/24/09 10:05:57 >> RIGHT SO ONLY 20% OF SOME
09/24/09 10:05:57 PEOPLE.
09/24/09 10:05:58 >> SOME NUMBER
09/24/09 10:06:00 >> I WILL NOT E LEK TOE CUTE
09/24/09 10:06:03 YOU BUT WILL BURN YOU A LITTLE
09/24/09 10:06:04 BIT.
09/24/09 10:06:07 HOW MUCH OF THIS WILL BE
09/24/09 10:06:07 USED
09/24/09 10:06:08 FOR RECLAIM?
09/24/09 10:06:11 >> WE
09/24/09 10:06:13 ONLY USE 8-10, 12 TO 15
09/24/09 10:06:16 MILLION-GALLONS A DAY
09/24/09 10:06:17 AT TOTAL
09/24/09 10:06:17 REBUILD.
09/24/09 10:06:18 >> WHICH I DON'T BELIEVE IS 15.
09/24/09 10:06:21 I WILL GO WITH YOUR NUMBER.
09/24/09 10:06:21 45 MILLION LEFT.
09/24/09 10:06:24 WE HAVE A PLANT THAT
09/24/09 10:06:26 CAN DO 96
09/24/09 10:06:27 MILLION FOR GROWTH.
09/24/09 10:06:30 WE DID THIS WITH
09/24/09 10:06:31 LONG RANGE
09/24/09 10:06:32 PLANNING, AM I CORRECT?
09/24/09 10:06:32 >> CORRECT
09/24/09 10:06:34 >> WE CAN'T PUT ANY MORE WATER
09/24/09 10:06:36 INTO THE BAY AFTER 55 OR YOU
09/24/09 10:06:37 HAVE A PROBLEM, AM I CORRECT?
09/24/09 10:06:40 >> ACCORDING TO TMDLs
09/24/09 10:06:41 NOT IN
09/24/09 10:06:42 PLACE YET THERE WILL BE A
09/24/09 10:06:45 PROBLEM --
09/24/09 10:06:47 >> LET ME ASK YOU ANOTHER
09/24/09 10:06:48 QUESTION IF THAT WATER IS NOT
09/24/09 10:06:50 USED DO YOU BELIEVE IT WILL BE
09/24/09 10:06:52 PUT IN THE BAY EVERY DAY OR DO
09/24/09 10:06:54 YOU BELIEVE THE STATE WILL
09/24/09 10:06:55 CHANGE THE REGULATION SO ONLY
09/24/09 10:06:57 RIGHT NOW IN TODAY'S LIFE THAT
09/24/09 10:06:59 WE LIVE, ONLY THE WATERS OF THE
09/24/09 10:07:02 RIFFER AND THE WATER OF THE
09/24/09 10:07:05 LAKES --WATER
09/24/09 10:07:05 OF THE
09/24/09 10:07:08 RIVERWATER OF THE LAKES
09/24/09 10:07:09 ARE
09/24/09 10:07:09 STATE WATERS.
09/24/09 10:07:12 >> YOU HAVE TO TURN TO THE
09/24/09 10:07:12 ATTORNEY FOR THAT.
09/24/09 10:07:14 I THINK IT IS ALL THE WATERS
09/24/09 10:07:16 INCLUDING THE GROUND WATER.
09/24/09 10:07:17 >> THAT IS INCLUDED RIVER WATT
09/24/09 10:07:19 EVERCXFING, GROUND WATER, LAKE
09/24/09 10:07:21 WATER BUT NOT RECLAIMED WATER
09/24/09 10:07:21 AM I CORRECT?
09/24/09 10:07:23 YOU CAN HAVE THE ATTORNEY COME
09/24/09 10:07:24 UP.
09/24/09 10:07:26 >> HAVE THE ATTORNEY COME UP.
09/24/09 10:07:30 >> THE
09/24/09 10:07:30 ATTORNEY, JAN MCLAIN
09/24/09 10:07:31 THAT IS A POINT OF DISCUSSION.
09/24/09 10:07:34 IT IS OUR POSITION THAT OUR
09/24/09 10:07:36 RECLAIMED WATER A PRODUCT OF
09/24/09 10:07:38 OUR TREATMENT PLANTS HERE, OUR
09/24/09 10:07:41 WATER USE PERMIT WOULD BE
09/24/09 10:07:41 UNDER
09/24/09 10:07:44 OUR CONTROL HOWEVER THERE IS P
09/24/09 10:07:47 POINTS OF ENTRY FOR THE WATER
09/24/09 10:07:48 MANAGEMENT DISTRICTS WHEN WE
09/24/09 10:07:50 ARE UNDER PERMIT RENEWAL TO
09/24/09 10:07:52 CONSIDER REASONABLE BENEFICIAL
09/24/09 10:07:53 USE OF WATER ALLOCATED.
09/24/09 10:07:54 >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09/24/09 10:07:57 NOW WE HAVE A WATER PLANT THAT
09/24/09 10:08:00 CAN PRODUCE 105 MILLION A DAY
09/24/09 10:08:03 WITHOUT ANY ADDITIONAL COST
09/24/09 10:08:06 AM
09/24/09 10:08:06 I CORRECT?
09/24/09 10:08:07 >> CAPACITY.
09/24/09 10:08:08 CAPABILITY.
09/24/09 10:08:10 >> WE CAN DO 120 FOR
09/24/09 10:08:14 EMERGENCIES FROM 30 TO 45 DAYS,
09/24/09 10:08:16 IS THAT CORRECT?
09/24/09 10:08:19 >> I THINK FOR SHORT PERIODS OF
09/24/09 10:08:19 TIME
09/24/09 10:08:22 >> I AID 30 TO
09/24/09 10:08:22 35 DAYS.
09/24/09 10:08:23 >> CUPPING DAYS.
09/24/09 10:08:26 >> WHAT IS THE
09/24/09 10:08:27 DIFFERENCE
09/24/09 10:08:29 BETWEEN 82 AND 105?
09/24/09 10:08:29 23 MILLION-GALLONS.
09/24/09 10:08:32 SO IF I CAN GET 30 MILLION TO
09/24/09 10:08:35 PRODUCE 23 MILLION THAT IS
09/24/09 10:08:35 WHAT
09/24/09 10:08:38 IT TAKES ON THE RATIO,
09/24/09 10:08:39 THE RO
09/24/09 10:08:40 PROCESS AND ULTRAVIOLET
09/24/09 10:08:42 CLEANING PROCESS AND HAVE
09/24/09 10:08:43 DISTILLED WATER AT THE END, YOU
09/24/09 10:08:44 PRODUCE SOMETHING NO BUSINESS
09/24/09 10:08:47 DO YOU RUN IT AT 82% OF
09/24/09 10:08:47 CAPACITY.
09/24/09 10:08:50 SO IF YOU GO TO
09/24/09 10:08:50 105 THE
09/24/09 10:08:53 TAXPAYERS GET A BREAK,
09/24/09 10:08:53 WHERE
09/24/09 10:08:54 BUYING WATER, FIGURES YOU GAVE
09/24/09 10:08:57 US FROM 83 TO 98 WAS
09/24/09 10:08:57 REALLY
09/24/09 10:09:00 BEFORE WE JOINED TAMPA BAY
09/24/09 10:09:03 WATER, THAT'S CORRECT?
09/24/09 10:09:06 >> I DIDN'T HEAR AN ANSWER.
09/24/09 10:09:07 >> YES, SIR.
09/24/09 10:09:07 I THINK YOU ARE CORRECT.
09/24/09 10:09:10 >> WHEN WE DID THIS WE ARE
09/24/09 10:09:11 ALREADY MANNING TO DO THIS
09/24/09 10:09:14 YEARS BEFORE WE JOINED
09/24/09 10:09:16 TAMPA
09/24/09 10:09:17 BAY WATER THAT IS CORRECT.
09/24/09 10:09:18 >> OKAY.
09/24/09 10:09:20 >> THE COST OF DOING THIS IS
09/24/09 10:09:21 ONE THING BUT YOU DIDN'T
09/24/09 10:09:23 EXPLAIN AND SAY WHAT THE COST
09/24/09 10:09:25 IS TO GIVE POPULATION OF 20%
09/24/09 10:09:28 THE COST OF DOING THAT 20% IN
09/24/09 10:09:28 RECLAIM.
09/24/09 10:09:29 WHAT IS THAT COST?
09/24/09 10:09:32 >> AGAIN I DON'T HAVE IT TOP OF
09/24/09 10:09:32 MY HEAD.
09/24/09 10:09:34 IT IS IN THE MASTER PLAN.
09/24/09 10:09:35 IT HAS SOME NUMBERS WE WOULD
09/24/09 10:09:37 HAVE TO LOOK AT.
09/24/09 10:09:39 >> LOOKING AT IT I CAN TELL YOU
09/24/09 10:09:41 THE COST OF THE PIPE FROM
09/24/09 10:09:44 HOWARD KERN TO NEW TAMPA
09/24/09 10:09:44 WAS
09/24/09 10:09:47 SOMEWHERE BETWEEN $150 MILLION
09/24/09 10:09:47 YEARS BACK.
09/24/09 10:09:51 SO ON AN ASSUMPTION --$180
09/24/09 10:09:51 MILLION TODAY.
09/24/09 10:09:53 IS THAT IN THE BALLPARK?
09/24/09 10:09:55 >> YES, SIR, I THINK IT IS
09/24/09 10:09:56 HIGHER THAN THAT.
09/24/09 10:09:58 >> THEN IF YOU GO AND LOOK AT
09/24/09 10:10:01 ALL THE COST OF REDISTRIBUTION
09/24/09 10:10:02 NOT JUST FOR RECLAIM.
09/24/09 10:10:05 NOT LOOKING AT PIPES AND THAT,
09/24/09 10:10:08 I AM NOT A SCIENTIST OR
09/24/09 10:10:10 MATHEMATICAL GENIUS IT IS
09/24/09 10:10:11 SOMEWHERE AROUND $350 MILLION.
09/24/09 10:10:13 >> YES, SIR, I THINK YOUR MATH
09/24/09 10:10:13 IS CORRECT.
09/24/09 10:10:16 >> SO IF WE DO THAT AND WE
09/24/09 10:10:17 GO
09/24/09 10:10:20 BACK AND GET 23 MILLION,
09/24/09 10:10:20 NOT
09/24/09 10:10:22 10, 23 WHERE ALL THE POPULATION
09/24/09 10:10:25 CAN SHARE IN, GET WHAT
09/24/09 10:10:26 THEY
09/24/09 10:10:29 WANT, WATER THEIR LAWNS WHEN
09/24/09 10:10:29 THEY WANT.
09/24/09 10:10:31 WASH THEIR CARS, HAVE NO MORE
09/24/09 10:10:33 DROUGHT FOR SOME PERIOD OF TIME
09/24/09 10:10:35 BECAUSE POPULATION WILL CATCH
09/24/09 10:10:35 UP TO YOU.
09/24/09 10:10:37 THEY DON'T MAKE ANY MORE LAND
09/24/09 10:10:38 YOU CAN'T ASK THE BORDER
09/24/09 10:10:41 REALTOR TO BUILD YOU A LOT AND
09/24/09 10:10:44 YOU CAN'T ASK US TO BUILD THE
09/24/09 10:10:45 WATER, YOU CAN'T.
09/24/09 10:10:48 97% IS SALT, 2% IN THE POLE AND
09/24/09 10:10:50 WHAT PER CENT FOR DRINKING.
09/24/09 10:10:53 WE HAVE TO BE
09/24/09 10:10:54 CREATIVE.
09/24/09 10:10:55 I AM AMAZED AT THE OPPOSITION
09/24/09 10:10:58 THAT I AM GETTING FROM AN
09/24/09 10:10:59 ADMINISTRATION THAT IN THE
09/24/09 10:11:01 FUTURE YEARS IS GOING TO BE
09/24/09 10:11:03 LOOKED AT, LOOK WHAT THEY DID
09/24/09 10:11:05 OR LOOK AT WHAT THEY DIDN'T DO.
09/24/09 10:11:07 I AM MORE CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT
09/24/09 10:11:08 WE DIDN'T DO THAN WITH A WE ARE
09/24/09 10:11:11 GOING TO DO AND THIS AIN'T
09/24/09 10:11:12 ABOUT ME.
09/24/09 10:11:14 I AM LIKING AND DISLIKING --I
09/24/09 10:11:17 AM LIKED AND DISLIKED EVEN IN
09/24/09 10:11:18 MY OWN HOUSEHOLD.
09/24/09 10:11:19 THIS IS ABOUT FACTS OF LIFE.
09/24/09 10:11:20 TECHNOLOGY SUPER SEEDED OUR
09/24/09 10:11:23 ABILITY TO JUST THROW WATER
09/24/09 10:11:23 AWAY.
09/24/09 10:11:25 IT IS A PRIME RESOURCE 70% OF
09/24/09 10:11:28 ALL THE WATER USED
09/24/09 10:11:29 IN
09/24/09 10:11:29 AGRICULTURE.
09/24/09 10:11:32 10% IS USED FOR
09/24/09 10:11:35 HOUSEHOLD AND
09/24/09 10:11:37 20% IS USED IN MANUFACTURING.
09/24/09 10:11:38 WE HAVE A PROBLEM.
09/24/09 10:11:39 WE CAN FIX SOME OF THAT FOR THE
09/24/09 10:11:42 NEXT 40 OR 50 YEARS BUT WE HAVE
09/24/09 10:11:45 TO BE ABLE TO PUT IT TO
09/24/09 10:11:46 THE
09/24/09 10:11:46 BALLOT.
09/24/09 10:11:48 NOW, IT ONLY TAKES FOUR VOTES
09/24/09 10:11:50 ON AN ORDINANCE BUT I DON'T
09/24/09 10:11:50 WANT THAT.
09/24/09 10:11:52 I WANT THE PUBLIC TO DECIDE.
09/24/09 10:11:53 IT TAKES FIVE VOTES.
09/24/09 10:11:55 I MADE IT MORE DIFFICULT FOR
09/24/09 10:11:56 MYSELF AND COLLEAGUES HERE, BUT
09/24/09 10:11:58 THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT ISSUE.
09/24/09 10:12:00 YOU HAVE ALREADY ADMIT THAT HAD
09/24/09 10:12:03 THE POPULATION IS NOT --ONLY
09/24/09 10:12:03 20%.
09/24/09 10:12:05 YOU HAVE ALREADY ADMITTED IT
09/24/09 10:12:07 COSTS MORE TO DO RECLAIM THAN
09/24/09 10:12:10 IT DOES TO DO INDIRECT WATER
09/24/09 10:12:10 USE, AM I CORRECT?
09/24/09 10:12:12 I DIDN'T HEAR YOU.
09/24/09 10:12:14 >> YES, YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY
09/24/09 10:12:15 RIGHT.
09/24/09 10:12:17 >> SO WHAT IS IT ADMINISTRATION
09/24/09 10:12:18 DOESN'T LIKE?
09/24/09 10:12:19 >> I THINK THE ONLY POINT THAT
09/24/09 10:12:22 I AM BRINGING UP TODAY, SIR, IS
09/24/09 10:12:25 THAT IN ORDER TO MAKE GOOD
09/24/09 10:12:27 DECISIONS PEOPLE NEED TO HAVE
09/24/09 10:12:27 THE RIGHT INFORMATION.
09/24/09 10:12:30 WE HAVE A LOT
09/24/09 10:12:31 OF INFORMATION
09/24/09 10:12:34 THAT NEEDS TO BE PUT TOGETHER
09/24/09 10:12:36 IN ORDER FOR --IF I WERE THE
09/24/09 10:12:39 PERSON LOOKING AT SOMETHING ON
09/24/09 10:12:42 A REFERENDUM I WOULD NEED THE
09/24/09 10:12:43 INFORMATION IN ORDER TO MAKE A
09/24/09 10:12:43 GOOD DECISION.
09/24/09 10:12:45 WE RECOGNIZE THAT WILL TAKE
09/24/09 10:12:47 SOME TIME AND SOME MONEY.
09/24/09 10:12:50 AND I AM SORRY TO KEEP
09/24/09 10:12:50 TALKING
09/24/09 10:12:53 BUT LET ME JUST SAY ONE
09/24/09 10:12:53 MORE
09/24/09 10:12:55 THING WE ARE AS IS CITY GOING
09/24/09 10:12:57 TO HAVE TO MAKE SOME DECISION
09/24/09 10:12:58 BECAUSE WE CAN'T CONTINUE
09/24/09 10:13:01 THINKING THIS WAY AND
09/24/09 10:13:03 THIS WAY
09/24/09 10:13:05 AND WE NEED TO LOOK AND THINK
09/24/09 10:13:07 DEEPLY ABOUT WHAT THOSE
09/24/09 10:13:08 DECISIONS NEED TO BE.
09/24/09 10:13:11 WE WILL HAVE TO SPEND MONEY
09/24/09 10:13:11 IN
09/24/09 10:13:13 TIME AND EFFORT TO GO DOWN ONE
09/24/09 10:13:15 PATH OR ANOTHER BEFORE TOO LONG
09/24/09 10:13:16 BECAUSE OF THE PRESSURES UPON
09/24/09 10:13:19 US AND NEED FOR THIS CITY TO
09/24/09 10:13:19 GROW.
09/24/09 10:13:21 >> I CANNOT BE MORE AND WITH
09/24/09 10:13:23 YOU AND IN TUNE AND CONCERT
09/24/09 10:13:25 WITH YOU AT ALL SIR BUT TODAY
09/24/09 10:13:26 IS SEPTEMBER 09.
09/24/09 10:13:29 THIS DOESN'T COME UP TO 11.
09/24/09 10:13:32 SO WE HAVE A YEAR AND A
09/24/09 10:13:33 HALF TO
09/24/09 10:13:34 EXPLAIN, FIGURE OUT COST.
09/24/09 10:13:37 IF WE DON'T PUT IT ON NOW IT
09/24/09 10:13:38 WILL NEVER GET DONE.
09/24/09 10:13:40 WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND EVEN NOW
09/24/09 10:13:42 GOOD CITIZENS ARE GETTING A
09/24/09 10:13:44 CHARGE ON PASS THROUGH WATER
09/24/09 10:13:46 BILLS WE BUY FROM TAMPA BAY
09/24/09 10:13:48 WATER AT A MUCH HIGHER RATE
09/24/09 10:13:50 THAN WE OURSELVES CAN PRODUCE
09/24/09 10:13:50 AT OUR PLANT PGH
09/24/09 10:13:51 >> THAT'S CORRECT.
09/24/09 10:13:53 >> IT IS LIKE HAVING A COW AND
09/24/09 10:13:56 BUYING YOUR MILK AT HOME DEPOT.
09/24/09 10:13:58 THEY DON'T SELL MILK THERE SO I
09/24/09 10:14:00 GOT YOU ON THAT ONE BUT AT WINN
09/24/09 10:14:02 DIXIE OR SWEET BAY OR ONE OF
09/24/09 10:14:02 THEM.
09/24/09 10:14:05 YOU HAVE A COW WHY SHOULD YOU
09/24/09 10:14:06 GO BUY MILK.
09/24/09 10:14:08 IT IS THE SAME PRINCIPLE.
09/24/09 10:14:11 IT IS SO SIMPLE, IT IS
09/24/09 10:14:11 COMPLICATED.
09/24/09 10:14:12 WE SPEND MONEY ON RECLAIM,
09/24/09 10:14:14 WHICH I WAS ONE OF THE FOUNDERS
09/24/09 10:14:17 OF, WE DON'T HAVE MONEY FOR
09/24/09 10:14:18 ANYTHING ELSE.
09/24/09 10:14:21 YES, THE STUDY WAS
09/24/09 10:14:22 $104,000,
09/24/09 10:14:24 148,000 I AGREE WITH THAT BUT
09/24/09 10:14:27 WE HAVE SHELFED A LOT MORE
09/24/09 10:14:29 STUDIES THAT WE HAVE NEVER
09/24/09 10:14:29 DONE.
09/24/09 10:14:31 I DON'T WANT TO GO INTO THAT.
09/24/09 10:14:32 THAT IS ANOTHER AREA.
09/24/09 10:14:34 THIS IS THE SINGLE MOST
09/24/09 10:14:35 IMPORTANT THING IN MY FOUR
09/24/09 10:14:37 YEARS OF THIS TERM THAT I AM
09/24/09 10:14:39 EVER GOING TO FACE AND I THINK
09/24/09 10:14:42 THE PUBLIC SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO
09/24/09 10:14:42 SPEAK.
09/24/09 10:14:45 I AM NOT GOING TO SPEAK
09/24/09 10:14:47 ANY
09/24/09 10:14:47 MORE.
09/24/09 10:14:50 >> COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER AND
09/24/09 10:14:50 MULHERN.
09/24/09 10:14:51 >> THANK YOU.
09/24/09 10:14:52 CHARLIE WITH ALL DUE RESPECT I
09/24/09 10:14:54 KNOW YOU SPENT MANY MANY YEARS
09/24/09 10:14:56 ON THESE WATER ISSUES.
09/24/09 10:14:58 I RESPECT YOU TREMENDOUSLY FOR
09/24/09 10:15:00 YOU, SERVICE ON TAMPA BAY
09/24/09 10:15:02 WATER, SERVICE HERE IS
09/24/09 10:15:02 TREMENDOUS.
09/24/09 10:15:04 AND I AM NOT GOING TO PRETEND
09/24/09 10:15:07 THAT I KNOW ONE QUARTER
09/24/09 10:15:08 ABOUT
09/24/09 10:15:11 WATER WHAT YOU
09/24/09 10:15:11 DO.
09/24/09 10:15:12 BUT WHAT I DO KNOW IS THAT DAY
09/24/09 10:15:15 IN AND DAY OUT ON THIS
09/24/09 10:15:15 COUNCIL,
09/24/09 10:15:19 WE RELY ESPECIALLY ON
09/24/09 10:15:19 THESE
09/24/09 10:15:21 EXTREMELY TECHNICAL ISSUES, OF
09/24/09 10:15:23 SCIENCE AND FINANCE, WE RELY ON
09/24/09 10:15:26 OUR STAFF AND THE EXPERTS THAT
09/24/09 10:15:29 WE HIRE TO ASSIST US IN
09/24/09 10:15:30 MAKING
09/24/09 10:15:31 VERY TOUGH DECISIONS.
09/24/09 10:15:34 I THINK THESE KIND OF
09/24/09 10:15:34 DECISIONS
09/24/09 10:15:35 ARE DECISIONS THAT NEED TO BE
09/24/09 10:15:37 MADE BY THIS TYPE OF BOARD.
09/24/09 10:15:39 I MEAN WE HAVE THE TIME, WE ARE
09/24/09 10:15:42 PAID TO DO IT, TO SIT,
09/24/09 10:15:43 IF IT
09/24/09 10:15:44 TAKES 10 WORKSHOPS, OKAY, TO
09/24/09 10:15:47 SIT AND LISTEN TO ALL THE
09/24/09 10:15:48 SCIENTISTSTAFF AND EVERYTHING
09/24/09 10:15:50 ELSE, TO MASSAGE THESE KIND OF
09/24/09 10:15:52 ISSUES ABOUT WHAT IS THE FUTURE
09/24/09 10:15:54 OF OUR WATER NEEDS, AND WHAT DO
09/24/09 10:15:57 WE DO WITH
09/24/09 10:15:58 OUR RECLAIMED WATER.
09/24/09 10:16:01 THAT IS WHY WE SPEND $150,000
09/24/09 10:16:02 ON A STUDY LAST YEAR.
09/24/09 10:16:04 I WAS VERY IMPATIENT TO GET
09/24/09 10:16:07 THAT STUDY AND MOVE FORWARD ON
09/24/09 10:16:10 SOME OF THESE RECLAIMED
09/24/09 10:16:11 ISSUES.
09/24/09 10:16:13 NOW, STEVE OR BRAD, YOU JUST
09/24/09 10:16:15 KIND OF GLOSSED OVER STEVE.
09/24/09 10:16:17 WHAT THIS STUDY RECOMMENDS.
09/24/09 10:16:20 I AM LOOKING AT ONE
09/24/09 10:16:21 PAGE HERE,
09/24/09 10:16:22 CHARLIE, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT
09/24/09 10:16:25 YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT MORE
09/24/09 10:16:26 THAN $100,000 COMING OUT OF OUR
09/24/09 10:16:28 PLANT BUT THE REALITY ACCORDING
09/24/09 10:16:31 TO THE STUDY SAYS THAT IN 2008,
09/24/09 10:16:33 2009 WE GENERATED SOMEWHERE IN
09/24/09 10:16:36 THE NEIGHBOURHOOD OF AN
09/24/09 10:16:38 AVERAGE
09/24/09 10:16:40 OF 57 MILLION-GALLONS A DAY,
09/24/09 10:16:43 DURING DRY SEASON AND THAT BY
09/24/09 10:16:46 2030 THAT NUMBER MIGHT BE
09/24/09 10:16:48 UP TO
09/24/09 10:16:49 71, 72 MILLION-GALLONS.
09/24/09 10:16:50 CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG STEVE
09/24/09 10:16:51 AND BRAD.
09/24/09 10:16:52 >> THAT IS WHAT IS IN THE
09/24/09 10:16:53 STUDY.
09/24/09 10:16:56 >> I AM LOOKING ON PAGE
09/24/09 10:16:56 --
09/24/09 10:16:59 CHAPTER 2-3. THEN I GO TO
09/24/09 10:17:01 CHAPTER 4-7 PAGE 4-7 IT TALKS
09/24/09 10:17:04 ABOUT THE PROJECTS YOU
09/24/09 10:17:06 GUYS ARE
09/24/09 10:17:06 RECOMMENDS.
09/24/09 10:17:09 TALKS ABOUT SOUTH PROJECTS
09/24/09 10:17:10 THAT
09/24/09 10:17:13 COULD TAKE US UP SOMEWHERE
09/24/09 10:17:13 IN
09/24/09 10:17:15 THE NEIGHBOURHOOD OF 20 MILLION-
09/24/09 10:17:15 GALLONS A DAY.
09/24/09 10:17:18 ADD THE NORTH PROJECT UP
09/24/09 10:17:20 TO 40
09/24/09 10:17:23 SOMETHING MILLION GALLONS A
09/24/09 10:17:23 DAY.
09/24/09 10:17:26 THESE ARE RELATIVELY
09/24/09 10:17:27 LESS
09/24/09 10:17:27 EXPENSIVE PROJECTS.
09/24/09 10:17:29 I WON'T SPEAK TO THE OTHERS.
09/24/09 10:17:32 MAYBE SOME OTHER
09/24/09 10:17:32 PROJECTS ARE
09/24/09 10:17:32 FEASIBLE.
09/24/09 10:17:35 THEN IF WE GO INTO OTHER
09/24/09 10:17:38 PROJECTS IT TAKES US UP
09/24/09 10:17:38 TO 60
09/24/09 10:17:40 MILLION-GALLONS A DAY OF SEWER
09/24/09 10:17:42 WATER WE HAVE TO USE.
09/24/09 10:17:44 ONCE WE GET TO THAT POINT WE
09/24/09 10:17:45 DON'T HAVE ANY MORE.
09/24/09 10:17:48 WE HAVE THREE GOOD STRONG
09/24/09 10:17:51 FEASIBLE PROJECTS
09/24/09 10:17:53 RECOMMENDED
09/24/09 10:17:55 BY MAYOR TO MOVE FORWARD ON.
09/24/09 10:17:58 WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THIS,
09/24/09 10:17:58 OKAY,
09/24/09 10:18:00 I WILL USE THIS TERM THIS, I
09/24/09 10:18:01 DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS IS.
09/24/09 10:18:04 STEVE YOU MADE THE
09/24/09 10:18:04 POINT.
09/24/09 10:18:05 IN ORDER FOR VOTERS TO MAKE A
09/24/09 10:18:07 GOOD DECISION, THE VOTERS HAVE
09/24/09 10:18:08 TO HAVE GOOD INFORMATION ON
09/24/09 10:18:09 WHAT THEY ARE VOTING ON.
09/24/09 10:18:11 WITH ALL DUE RESPECT TO THE
09/24/09 10:18:13 VOTERS, I MEAN I WOULD QUESTION
09/24/09 10:18:15 OURSELVES ABOUT MAKING ANY KIND
09/24/09 10:18:17 OF DECISION ABOUT ULTIMATELY
09/24/09 10:18:19 DRINKING OUR SEWER WATER.
09/24/09 10:18:19 OKAY.
09/24/09 10:18:22 BUT --I REALLY YOU KNOW E
09/24/09 10:18:23 I
09/24/09 10:18:25 DON'T WANT TO SEND THAT --I
09/24/09 10:18:26 DON'T WANT TO SEND THAT KIND OF
09/24/09 10:18:27 QUESTION TO OUR VOTERS.
09/24/09 10:18:29 THEY HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THEY ARE
09/24/09 10:18:31 VOTING ON, WHAT THE COST WOULD
09/24/09 10:18:34 BE AND HEALTH RISKS
09/24/09 10:18:34 MIGHT BE.
09/24/09 10:18:34 OKAY.
09/24/09 10:18:37 I HAVE BEEN READING QUITE
09/24/09 10:18:38 A BIT
09/24/09 10:18:40 ABOUT ALL OVER THE WORLD ABOUT
09/24/09 10:18:43 POTENTIAL FOR HEALTH
09/24/09 10:18:45 RISKSES IN
09/24/09 10:18:46 DOING THIS.
09/24/09 10:18:48 SO AGAIN, CHARLIE I RESPECT YOU
09/24/09 10:18:51 TREMENDOUSLY BUT I
09/24/09 10:18:54 THINK IN
09/24/09 10:18:55 THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE WE
09/24/09 10:18:57 SHOULD USE THE MASTER PLAN AS A
09/24/09 10:18:57 GUIDE.
09/24/09 10:18:59 IF WE DON'T THINK THESE
09/24/09 10:19:00 ENGINEERS ARE ANY GOOD WE
09/24/09 10:19:02 SHOULD SUE THEM TO GET OUR
09/24/09 10:19:04 MONEY BACK WHICH IS NOT THE
09/24/09 10:19:04 CASE.
09/24/09 10:19:06 WE PAID GOOD MONEY FOR THIS, I
09/24/09 10:19:08 THINK BRAD IS THIS A GOOD
09/24/09 10:19:08 REPORT?
09/24/09 10:19:10 IT IS A GOOD REPORT HE IS
09/24/09 10:19:12 SHAKING HIS HEAD BEHIND STEVE.
09/24/09 10:19:15 THIS IS THE DIRECTION WE SHOULD
09/24/09 10:19:16 GO AND GO WITH HASTE BECAUSE
09/24/09 10:19:19 THERE IS NOTHING MORE IMPORTANT
09/24/09 10:19:19 THAN WATER.
09/24/09 10:19:22 I AGREE WITH YOU A THOUSAND
09/24/09 10:19:23 PERCENT ON THAT CHARLIE BUT
09/24/09 10:19:26 THERE ARE OTHER WAYS TO SKIN
09/24/09 10:19:26 THIS CAT.
09/24/09 10:19:29 WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD
09/24/09 10:19:30 IN A
09/24/09 10:19:30 DIFFERENT DIRECTION.
09/24/09 10:19:33 STEVE, MAY I ASK
09/24/09 10:19:35 YOU ONE
09/24/09 10:19:36 QUESTION.
09/24/09 10:19:37 >> DID I SAY SOMETHING WRONG?
09/24/09 10:19:40 >> I TELL YOU
09/24/09 10:19:40 LATER.
09/24/09 10:19:41 >> OKAY.
09/24/09 10:19:44 STEVE LET ME
09/24/09 10:19:45 ASK YOU ONE
09/24/09 10:19:46 CRITICAL QUESTION.
09/24/09 10:19:48 WHAT IS YOUR MAYOR, YOUR STAFF
09/24/09 10:19:50 AND YOU WHAT IS YOUR
09/24/09 10:19:53 RECOMMENDATION ON THIS TODAY?
09/24/09 10:19:55 >> MY RECOMMENDATION TODAY IS
09/24/09 10:19:57 WHAT I SAID PREVIOUSLY THAT IS
09/24/09 10:19:59 I THINK THERE IS A LOT OF
09/24/09 10:20:01 INFORMATION THAT NEEDS TO BE
09/24/09 10:20:03 MADE AVAILABLE FOR PEOPLE TO
09/24/09 10:20:06 MAKE A
09/24/09 10:20:07 GOOD DECISION.
09/24/09 10:20:08 >> COUNCIL WOMAN MULHERN.
09/24/09 10:20:11 >> WHAT IS THE MAYORS POSITION
09/24/09 10:20:14 ON TAKING THIS TO THE
09/24/09 10:20:15 VOTERS?
09/24/09 10:20:16 >> SIR RESPECTFULLY YOU ARE
09/24/09 10:20:19 GOING TO HAVE TO ASK
09/24/09 10:20:20 THE MAYOR
09/24/09 10:20:20 THAT.
09/24/09 10:20:23 >> YOU HAVE NOT HAD A
09/24/09 10:20:23 DISCUSSION WITH HER?
09/24/09 10:20:25 SHE IS NOT SENDING YOU AS A
09/24/09 10:20:26 SPEAKER TODAY FOR HER?
09/24/09 10:20:29 >> I AM NOT SPEAKING FOR THE
09/24/09 10:20:29 MAYOR TODAY.
09/24/09 10:20:32 >> OKAY THAT IS UNUSUAL.
09/24/09 10:20:32 THANK YOU.
09/24/09 10:20:35 >> I THINK WE HAVE TO LOOK
09/24/09 10:20:35 AT
09/24/09 10:20:35 EVERYTHING.
09/24/09 10:20:38 I DON'T FEEL LIKE I
09/24/09 10:20:39 HAVE THE
09/24/09 10:20:41 INFORMATION TO AT THIS POINT TO
09/24/09 10:20:44 --FOR INSTANCE TO PUT THAT
09/24/09 10:20:46 QUESTION ON THE BALLOT.
09/24/09 10:20:48 I HAVE A FEW THINGS I THINK WE
09/24/09 10:20:51 NEED TO HAVE MAJOR WORKSHOPS
09/24/09 10:20:54 AND HEAR ABOUT OUR LONG TERM
09/24/09 10:20:57 WATER PLANNING HERE ON COUNCIL
09/24/09 10:21:00 BECAUSE IT IS CRISIS MANAGEMENT
09/24/09 10:21:03 AND YOU KNOW, WE ARE GOING
09/24/09 10:21:03 TO
09/24/09 10:21:05 BE BACK AT IT SOON.
09/24/09 10:21:06 WE ARE STILL IN THE DROUGHT WE
09/24/09 10:21:09 WILL TALK ABOUT
09/24/09 10:21:10 CONSERVATION.
09/24/09 10:21:12 NUMBER ONE, I WOULD LIKE TO
09/24/09 10:21:15 HEAR FROM --I DON'T KNOW WHO
09/24/09 10:21:18 IF IT IS BRAD'S DEPARTMENT OR
09/24/09 10:21:21 IF
09/24/09 10:21:23 IT IS MAYBE BRAD AND TOM,
09/24/09 10:21:26 WHAT IS OUR WATER CONSERVATION
09/24/09 10:21:26 PLAN?
09/24/09 10:21:29 WE FOUND OUT THAT THE
09/24/09 10:21:29 PUBLIC IS
09/24/09 10:21:31 VERY READY TO USE LESS WATER.
09/24/09 10:21:34 AND I WOULD LIKE TO
09/24/09 10:21:35 HEAR THAT
09/24/09 10:21:37 STATISTICS ON THAT, WHEN WE HAD
09/24/09 10:21:39 THE MOST STRINGENT SPRINKLING
09/24/09 10:21:42 RESTRICTIONS IN PLACE,
09/24/09 10:21:44 HOW MUCH
09/24/09 10:21:45 WATER DID WE SAVE?
09/24/09 10:21:48 THIS IS ACTUALLY SECONDARY.
09/24/09 10:21:51 REALLY, WHAT I DON'T KNOW IS
09/24/09 10:21:54 THAT THE REALLY
09/24/09 10:21:54 GLOBAL PICTURE.
09/24/09 10:21:56 AND MR. DINGFELDER THOSE
09/24/09 10:21:58 POPULATION PROJECTIONS ARE
09/24/09 10:21:58 PROBABLY WRONG.
09/24/09 10:22:01 WE PROBABLY WON'T NEED AS MUCH
09/24/09 10:22:04 WATER BUT I DIDN'T HEAR ANY
09/24/09 10:22:07 DISPUTE
09/24/09 10:22:10 --MR. DAGNOL DISPUTE
09/24/09 10:22:13 ANYTHING MR. MIRANDA
09/24/09 10:22:15 SAID ABOUT
09/24/09 10:22:15 ECONOMIC REUSABILITY.
09/24/09 10:22:18 IT SEEMS TO ME WHATEVER OUR
09/24/09 10:22:20 PLANS ARE AND WHATEVER WE SPENT
09/24/09 10:22:22 ON THIS, IF IT IS NEVER GOING
09/24/09 10:22:24 TO BE ECONOMICALLY FEASIBLE, WE
09/24/09 10:22:25 OUGHT TO DO SOMETHING ELSE.
09/24/09 10:22:28 OTHER THINGS IN ADDITION.
09/24/09 10:22:29 SO I THINK CONSERVATION IS
09/24/09 10:22:31 SOMETHING WE NEVER TALK ABOUT I
09/24/09 10:22:33 KNOW THAT IT IS A CONCERN I
09/24/09 10:22:36 KNOW THAT WE --STAFF WORKS ON
09/24/09 10:22:39 IT BUT I HAVEN'T GOTTEN ANY
09/24/09 10:22:40 KIND OF REPORT.
09/24/09 10:22:42 THAT IS WHAT OTHER STATES THAT
09/24/09 10:22:44 HAVE MORE SEVERE AND CITYCOUNTY
09/24/09 10:22:46 THAT IS HAVE MORE SEVERE WATER
09/24/09 10:22:48 SHORTAGES HAVE BEEN DOING FOR
09/24/09 10:22:50 YOU KNOW HALF A DECADE
09/24/09 10:22:50 PROBABLY.
09/24/09 10:22:53 SO I WANT TO HEAR
09/24/09 10:22:54 ABOUT THAT.
09/24/09 10:22:57 BUT ON THE GLOBAL PICTURE,
09/24/09 10:22:59 WHERE ARE WE GOING AS FAR AS
09/24/09 10:23:01 YOU KNOW, YEAR BY YEAR HOW MUCH
09/24/09 10:23:04 WATER ARE WE GOING TO
09/24/09 10:23:08 BE
09/24/09 10:23:09 NEEDING?
09/24/09 10:23:11 AND I DON'T HEAR THAT RECLAIMED
09/24/09 10:23:13 IS A SOLUTION FOR PROBABLE
09/24/09 10:23:13 SHORTAGES WE WILL HAVE SO THAT
09/24/09 10:23:16 IS WITH A I
09/24/09 10:23:19 WANT TO HEAR.
09/24/09 10:23:22 THAT IS WHAT I
09/24/09 10:23:23 WANT TO HEAR.
09/24/09 10:23:26 THE OTHER THING I WANT TO
09/24/09 10:23:28 KNOW
09/24/09 10:23:28 ABOUT IS DESALINATION.
09/24/09 10:23:31 IF WE ARE LOOKING
09/24/09 10:23:32 INTO
09/24/09 10:23:33 RECLAIMING DRINKING WATER, WHY
09/24/09 10:23:35 DON'T WE LOOK AT HOW OTHER
09/24/09 10:23:36 PEOPLE SOLVE THEIR DESALINATION
09/24/09 10:23:37 PROBLEMS.
09/24/09 10:23:39 I KNOW IT IS GOING TO BE REALLY
09/24/09 10:23:41 COSTLY BUT AT LEAST WE ARE
09/24/09 10:23:44 TALKING ABOUT GOING FROM
09/24/09 10:23:45 SALT
09/24/09 10:23:48 WATER OR RECLAIMED TO
09/24/09 10:23:48 DRINKING
09/24/09 10:23:51 WATER AS OPPOSED TO THE
09/24/09 10:23:53 RECLAIMED WATER WE ARE TALKING
09/24/09 10:23:55 ABOUT THAT YOU PUT ON YOUR
09/24/09 10:23:56 LAWN.
09/24/09 10:23:56 CONSERVATION.
09/24/09 10:23:57 THE OTHER THING I ALREADY PUT
09/24/09 10:24:00 ON A WORKSHOP FOR US TO USE
09/24/09 10:24:03 LESS WATER BECAUSE WHAT IS
09/24/09 10:24:03 THAT
09/24/09 10:24:07 STATISTIC OF WATER WE DUMP
09/24/09 10:24:07 ON
09/24/09 10:24:09 OUR LAWNS AND --I KNOW BRAD
09/24/09 10:24:09 KNOWS.
09/24/09 10:24:10 >> I AM NOT SURE --
09/24/09 10:24:13 >> HOW MUCH WATER DO WE USE FOR
09/24/09 10:24:16 IRRIGATION IN THE CITY.
09/24/09 10:24:17 40%?
09/24/09 10:24:17 >> 20%.
09/24/09 10:24:19 >> I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS.
09/24/09 10:24:22 >> POETABLE DRINKING
09/24/09 10:24:23 WATER.
09/24/09 10:24:26 >> BRAD BAIRD TAMPA WATER
09/24/09 10:24:27 DEPARTMENT.
09/24/09 10:24:28 THE OLD STATISTICS FOR
09/24/09 10:24:31 IRRIGATION OF 40 TO 50% WERE
09/24/09 10:24:32 BASED ON MUNICIPALITIES THAT
09/24/09 10:24:34 WATERED TWICE A WEEK.
09/24/09 10:24:37 NOW WITH THE RESTRICTIONS IN
09/24/09 10:24:39 PLACE, THE IRRIGATION AMOUNT IS
09/24/09 10:24:41 MORE LIKE 25%.
09/24/09 10:24:41 >> OKAY.
09/24/09 10:24:44 THAT IS WITH THE SWIFT MUD
09/24/09 10:24:45 CURRENT RESTRICTIONS?
09/24/09 10:24:46 >> CORRECT.
09/24/09 10:24:49 >> HOW MUCH DID --WHEN WE
09/24/09 10:24:52 TOOK OFF OUR MARVIN JET NO
09/24/09 10:24:52 WATERING RESTRICTION, HOW MUCH
09/24/09 10:24:55 HAS WATER USE GONE UP?
09/24/09 10:24:57 I WAS CURIOUS ABOUT THAT.
09/24/09 10:24:58 >> I DON'T HAVE EXACT NUMBERS
09/24/09 10:25:00 FOR YOU HOWEVER WE SAVED
09/24/09 10:25:03 THROUGH THOSE TWO
09/24/09 10:25:05 MONTHS ALMOST
09/24/09 10:25:07 1.3 BILLION-GALLONS OF WATER.
09/24/09 10:25:09 WE DIDN'T SEE AN IMMEDIATE
09/24/09 10:25:10 RESPONSE WHEN WE TOOK
09/24/09 10:25:12 RESTRICTIONS OFF BECAUSE OF THE
09/24/09 10:25:13 AMOUNT OF RAIN WE RECEIVED
09/24/09 10:25:15 TOWARD THE END OF MAY AND JUNE.
09/24/09 10:25:18 TO THIS DAY I THINK WE HAVE
09/24/09 10:25:20 NUMEROUS CUSTOMERS MA HAVE NOT
09/24/09 10:25:22 TURNED THEIR SPRINKLERS BACK
09/24/09 10:25:22 ON.
09/24/09 10:25:23 WE HAVE NOT SEEN THE RAY BOUND
09/24/09 10:25:26 WE THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO
09/24/09 10:25:26 RECEIVE.
09/24/09 10:25:28 >> THAT IS WHAT I AM WONDERING.
09/24/09 10:25:31 I AM SURE THAT HAPPENS BECAUSE
09/24/09 10:25:33 A LOT, EVERYONE HERE DID THAT
09/24/09 10:25:35 BUT WHAT ABOUT THE PEOPLE WHO
09/24/09 10:25:37 DID THEIR STILL HAD TO BE MORE
09/24/09 10:25:37 WATER USE.
09/24/09 10:25:40 I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR
09/24/09 10:25:41 THAT AS
09/24/09 10:25:43 COMPARED TO SAY LAST YEAR.
09/24/09 10:25:46 ACTUALLY IT
09/24/09 10:25:46 DOESN'T REALLY
09/24/09 10:25:46 MATTER.
09/24/09 10:25:49 WE DON'T NEED TO
09/24/09 10:25:50 WATER DURING
09/24/09 10:25:52 THESE MONTHS SO SHOULDN'T BE.
09/24/09 10:25:55 THOSE ARE THE THINGS
09/24/09 10:25:55 I WOULD
09/24/09 10:25:58 LIKE THE
09/24/09 10:26:01 HEAR FROM STAFF I
09/24/09 10:26:02 DON'T KNOW.
09/24/09 10:26:03 WE SHOULD PROBABLY BE HAVING
09/24/09 10:26:04 REGULAR MAYBE QUARTERLY OR
09/24/09 10:26:05 SOMETHING.
09/24/09 10:26:08 WE SHOULD BE TALKING ABOUT
09/24/09 10:26:08 THIS.
09/24/09 10:26:09 IT IS HUGE.
09/24/09 10:26:11 SO I WOULD LIKE TO SCHEDULE
09/24/09 10:26:13 THAT IN A MINUTE BUT I HAVE A
09/24/09 10:26:14 QUESTION FOR MR. MIRANDA.
09/24/09 10:26:16 I THINK YOU MADE A STRONG CASE
09/24/09 10:26:19 THAT WE DON'T HAVE
09/24/09 10:26:22 A SOLUTION
09/24/09 10:26:23 BECAUSE THEN THE RECLAIMED PLAN
09/24/09 10:26:24 IS NOT A SOLUTION.
09/24/09 10:26:27 SINCE IT SOUNDS SO
09/24/09 10:26:28 EXPENSIVE
09/24/09 10:26:29 AND NOT EQUITABLE MAYBE THAT
09/24/09 10:26:33 SHOULD BE ON THE BALLOT BEFORE
09/24/09 10:26:34 ANYTHING ELSE.
09/24/09 10:26:37 >> IF I MAY, FIRST OF ALL,
09/24/09 10:26:37 THE
09/24/09 10:26:40 COST WILL
09/24/09 10:26:42 BE EXPLAINED BETWEEN
09/24/09 10:26:43 NOW AND 2011.
09/24/09 10:26:46 THAT COST SHOULD BE NO
09/24/09 10:26:46 GREATER
09/24/09 10:26:49 THAN HALF THE AMOUNT
09/24/09 10:26:51 OF THE
09/24/09 10:26:54 TOTAL COST FOR WATER FOR 20%.
09/24/09 10:26:56 HOWEVER THAT BEING SAID, WE ARE
09/24/09 10:26:58 COMPARING THE STUDY DONE ONLY
09/24/09 10:27:00 FOR RECLAIM SO HOW CAN WE
09/24/09 10:27:02 COMPARE WITH ANYTHING ELSE.
09/24/09 10:27:04 THAT STUDY DIDN'T INCLUDE
09/24/09 10:27:07 RECLAIM AND REUSE
09/24/09 10:27:08 INDIRECT DID
09/24/09 10:27:08 IT?
09/24/09 10:27:09 >> NO, SIR.
09/24/09 10:27:10 >> ONLY RECLAIM.
09/24/09 10:27:12 IF YOU LOOK WHAT OTHER STUDIES
09/24/09 10:27:13 HAVE DONE.
09/24/09 10:27:15 OTHER AREAS, AND CALCULATE THE
09/24/09 10:27:18 USE OF A PAY OF A 32
09/24/09 10:27:18 OR 36-INCH
09/24/09 10:27:22 PIPE FOR A FEW MILES YOU
09/24/09 10:27:22 GET
09/24/09 10:27:22 TRUE VALUE.
09/24/09 10:27:24 THIS DOES NOT DISRUPT --YOU
09/24/09 10:27:27 DON'T HAVE TO INVEST ONE DIME
09/24/09 10:27:28 IN INFRASTRUCTURE COSTS.
09/24/09 10:27:29 YOU DON'T HAVE TO CHANGE FOR
09/24/09 10:27:31 WHAT THEY CALL STAR 2 TAKING
09/24/09 10:27:33 THE METER OUT OF THE HOUSE,
09/24/09 10:27:35 THAT IS NOW USED FOR LAWN
09/24/09 10:27:36 IRRIGATION AND YOU GET THOSE
09/24/09 10:27:39 GOOD PEOPLE NOW TO PAY MORE FOR
09/24/09 10:27:40 THE SURCHARGE BECAUSE YOU ARE
09/24/09 10:27:42 GOING THE FORCE THEM TO USE --
09/24/09 10:27:44 TAKE THAT METER THEY GOT TO PUT
09/24/09 10:27:45 A RECLAIM MEET FOR.
09/24/09 10:27:47 GUESS WHAT HAPPENS?
09/24/09 10:27:49 THE WATER THEY USE NOW WILL BE
09/24/09 10:27:51 CHARGED A SURCHARGE, AM I
09/24/09 10:27:51 CORRECT?
09/24/09 10:27:51 >> YES, SIR.
09/24/09 10:27:55 >> YOU ARE HITTING
09/24/09 10:27:56 THE PEOPLE
09/24/09 10:27:57 WITH A DOUBLE WHAMMY.
09/24/09 10:27:59 I AM TRYING TO SOLVE AND
09/24/09 10:28:01 RELIEVE THE PEOPLE OF PAYING
09/24/09 10:28:02 LESS AND GET MORE.
09/24/09 10:28:05 WHERE I WAS FROM YOU ALWAYS TRY
09/24/09 10:28:08 TO SQUEEZE ABRAHAM LINCOLN
09/24/09 10:28:11 UNTIL HIS BEARD
09/24/09 10:28:13 FELL OFF AND
09/24/09 10:28:15 THAT IS THE WAY YOU HAVE TO
09/24/09 10:28:15 OPERATE.
09/24/09 10:28:17 I AM NOT TRYING TO PUT YOU IN A
09/24/09 10:28:19 BAD POSITION BECAUSE YOU ARE IN
09/24/09 10:28:20 A BAD POSITION.
09/24/09 10:28:22 WE ARE COMPARING STUDY S WITH A
09/24/09 10:28:24 STUDY THAT IS NOT EVEN DONE.
09/24/09 10:28:27 I DON'T MIND HOLDING THIS FOR
09/24/09 10:28:30 30 OR 60
09/24/09 10:28:31 DAYS.
09/24/09 10:28:34 CALL MIAMI, CALIFORNIA, GO
09/24/09 10:28:35 VISIT WEST PALM BEACH.
09/24/09 10:28:36 GO TO THE SEWER AUTHORITY.
09/24/09 10:28:38 YOU KNOW 100% OF THE WATER
09/24/09 10:28:41 COMES DOWN THE BULL RIVER
09/24/09 10:28:44 RUN
09/24/09 10:28:47 AT TIMES IS
09/24/09 10:28:50 ALL IN DIRECT
09/24/09 10:28:50 REUSE.
09/24/09 10:28:52 THE RIVER IN BOSTON FIVE OUT OF
09/24/09 10:28:53 EIGHT YEARS DRY.
09/24/09 10:28:55 A LITTLE CITY IN TENNESSEE WAS
09/24/09 10:28:56 OUT OF WATER.
09/24/09 10:28:58 THEY HAD TO BRING IT BY
09/24/09 10:28:59 TRUCKLOADS FROM ALABAMA.
09/24/09 10:29:00 WE COULD BE NEXT.
09/24/09 10:29:03 THAT IS WHAT I AM
09/24/09 10:29:06 TRYING
09/24/09 10:29:06 TO
09/24/09 10:29:07 AVOID.
09/24/09 10:29:10 TRYING TO AVOID THE BIG
09/24/09 10:29:10 PICTURE.
09/24/09 10:29:11 >> COUNCILMAN MILLER AND THEN
09/24/09 10:29:14 WE NEED TO WRAP THIS UP.
09/24/09 10:29:15 >> THANK YOU.
09/24/09 10:29:18 YOU STATED EARLIER TO PUT
09/24/09 10:29:18 IT ON
09/24/09 10:29:21 THE BALLOT, THE PUBLIC NEED TO
09/24/09 10:29:23 BE EDUCATED AND NEED TO KNOW
09/24/09 10:29:24 WHAT THEY VOTING ON.
09/24/09 10:29:26 WHAT DO YOU THICK WE HAVE TO DO
09/24/09 10:29:28 TO EDGE --THINK WE HAVE TO DO
09/24/09 10:29:29 TO EDUCATE THE PUBLIC.
09/24/09 10:29:32 >> BECAUSE OF THE CHANGES IN
09/24/09 10:29:34 REGULATIONS AND CHANGES IN
09/24/09 10:29:37 DETECTION OF ITEMS IN
09/24/09 10:29:37 THE
09/24/09 10:29:39 WATER, I DON'T KNOW THIS IS
09/24/09 10:29:39 FEASIBLE.
09/24/09 10:29:42 YOU WILL RECALL THAT TAMPA BAY
09/24/09 10:29:45 WATER TRIED TO GET A
09/24/09 10:29:45 PERMIT TO
09/24/09 10:29:48 PUT RECLAIMED DOWN STREAM OF
09/24/09 10:29:48 THE DAM.
09/24/09 10:29:50 SO IT WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN IN
09/24/09 10:29:53 THE RESERVOIR, USED
09/24/09 10:29:56 FOR
09/24/09 10:29:57 DRINKING WATER.
09/24/09 10:30:00 THERE WAS --THEY
09/24/09 10:30:00 WERE NOT
09/24/09 10:30:02 SUCCESSFUL GETTING THE PERMIT
09/24/09 10:30:03 FOR WATER DOWN STREAM.
09/24/09 10:30:03 >> WHY?
09/24/09 10:30:05 >> THERE IS A PUBLIC PERCEPTION
09/24/09 10:30:07 AND I THINK IT WAS QUESTIONS
09/24/09 10:30:09 COMING BACK FROM THE REGULATORS
09/24/09 10:30:11 WERE SUCH THAT THEY CHOSE TO
09/24/09 10:30:12 NOT CONTINUE TO PURSUE IT.
09/24/09 10:30:15 I THINK THEY DECIDED FOR
09/24/09 10:30:18 FINANCIAL REASONS THEY WOULD
09/24/09 10:30:20 GO
09/24/09 10:30:23 DO
09/24/09 10:30:23 SOMETHING ELSE.
09/24/09 10:30:25 SO THERE IS A LOT OF PUBLIC
09/24/09 10:30:28 PERCEPTION THAT NEEDS TO BE
09/24/09 10:30:29 DEALT WITH.
09/24/09 10:30:31 THERE IS A LOT OF FACT AND DATA
09/24/09 10:30:33 THAT NEEDS TO BE DEALT WITH.
09/24/09 10:30:35 YOU NEED TO COMPARE WHAT YOU
09/24/09 10:30:38 CAN DO WITH CURRENT REGULATIONS
09/24/09 10:30:38 NOT OLDER REGULATIONS.
09/24/09 10:30:41 AND AS MANY OF YOU HAVE SAID,
09/24/09 10:30:44 IT IS VERY COMPLICATED METHOD
09/24/09 10:30:46 THAT YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH.
09/24/09 10:30:49 SO AGAIN, TO ME IT WILL
09/24/09 10:30:50 TAKE
09/24/09 10:30:53 TIME AND
09/24/09 10:30:56 EFFORT AND
09/24/09 10:30:56 DOLLARS.
09/24/09 10:30:57 I NEED MORE INFORMATION THAT IS
09/24/09 10:31:00 NOT GOING TO
09/24/09 10:31:03 BE QUICKLY
09/24/09 10:31:03 AVAILABLE.
09/24/09 10:31:06 AND MR. MIRANDA, WITH ALL DUE
09/24/09 10:31:09 RESPECT, FLORIDA IS
09/24/09 10:31:09 DIFFERENT
09/24/09 10:31:11 FROM THE CALIFORNIA AND OTHER
09/24/09 10:31:12 PLACES.
09/24/09 10:31:14 HOW WE DEAL WITH OUR WATER, THE
09/24/09 10:31:16 TYPE OF RAIN AND THE
09/24/09 10:31:19 OPPORTUNITIES WE HAVE TO
09/24/09 10:31:19 GATHER
09/24/09 10:31:20 WATER ARE DIFFERENT.
09/24/09 10:31:22 ARE PECULIAR TO FLORIDA.
09/24/09 10:31:23 WHILE THERE ARE SOME LESSONS TO
09/24/09 10:31:25 BE LEARNED OUT THERE, WE REALLY
09/24/09 10:31:28 NEED TO LOOK AT WHERE OUR WATER
09/24/09 10:31:30 SOURCES ARE, HOW WE ARE GOING
09/24/09 10:31:31 TO GATHER THE WATER, HOW WE ARE
09/24/09 10:31:34 GOING TO USE IT, AND
09/24/09 10:31:35 POTENTIALLY REUSE IT.
09/24/09 10:31:36 >> THANK YOU.
09/24/09 10:31:37 LET ME JUST ASK A COUPLE
09/24/09 10:31:39 QUESTIONS THEN WE NEED TO WRAP
09/24/09 10:31:42 THIS UP AND MOVE TO
09/24/09 10:31:43 OUR NEXT
09/24/09 10:31:44 WORKSHOP.
09/24/09 10:31:44 YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT.
09/24/09 10:31:46 WE HAVE TO HAVE PUBLIC SPEAK.
09/24/09 10:31:49 LET ME JUST ASK
09/24/09 10:31:50 A COUPLE
09/24/09 10:31:50 QUESTIONS.
09/24/09 10:31:53 ONE IS DO YOU
09/24/09 10:31:56 KNOW THE
09/24/09 10:31:56 CITY'S
09/24/09 10:31:59 --CITIES THAT HAVE USED
09/24/09 10:31:59 THIS
09/24/09 10:32:01 PROCESS NOW NO USED RECLAIM?
09/24/09 10:32:03 >> WE ARE AWARE OF SOME.
09/24/09 10:32:05 >> WHAT CITIES ARE THOSE?
09/24/09 10:32:08 >> ORANGE
09/24/09 10:32:10 COUNTY CALIFORNIA,
09/24/09 10:32:12 WEST PALM BEACH.
09/24/09 10:32:14 THERE ARE VARIOUS --BUT WHEN
09/24/09 10:32:17 I SAY THAT, YOU NEED TO FULLY
09/24/09 10:32:18 UNDERSTAND THE DETAILS AROUND
09/24/09 10:32:19 WHICH THEY DO THAT
09/24/09 10:32:21 >> I UNDERSTAND THAT.
09/24/09 10:32:22 BUT THE QUESTION IS HAS IT BEEN
09/24/09 10:32:23 DONE BEFORE.
09/24/09 10:32:26 THAT IS THE QUESTION.
09/24/09 10:32:26 OKAY.
09/24/09 10:32:26 WHAT CITIES.
09/24/09 10:32:29 NOW IF YOU HAVE A LIST OF THOSE
09/24/09 10:32:32 CITIES, 6, 7, 8 CITIES.
09/24/09 10:32:32 DC, MIAMI.
09/24/09 10:32:35 SO WE DO KNOW IT HAS BEEN DONE.
09/24/09 10:32:38 LET'S ESTABLISH
09/24/09 10:32:38 THAT FIRST
09/24/09 10:32:38 POINT.
09/24/09 10:32:40 >> AND HAS IT BEEN SUCCESSFUL.
09/24/09 10:32:42 >> WE ARE BACK TO WHAT THIS IS.
09/24/09 10:32:45 >> WELL, IT HAS
09/24/09 10:32:49 BEEN
09/24/09 10:32:49 SUCCESSFUL.
09/24/09 10:32:49 OKAY.
09/24/09 10:32:52 SECONDLY, ONE OF THE THINGS
09/24/09 10:32:53 THAT IN BEING PROGRESSIVE AND
09/24/09 10:32:56 THAT IS THINKING OUTSIDE OF THE
09/24/09 10:32:58 BOX, WE KNOW THAT WE HAVE A
09/24/09 10:33:01 WATER PROBLEM OR WATER CRISIS.
09/24/09 10:33:02 WE KNOW THAT.
09/24/09 10:33:04 WE KNOW RECLAIMED WILL NOT
09/24/09 10:33:07 SOLVE THAT PROBLEM OR
09/24/09 10:33:10 THE
09/24/09 10:33:12 CRISIS, THAT'S RIGHT?
09/24/09 10:33:15 >> IT IS NOT GOING TO SOLVE
09/24/09 10:33:16 ALL
09/24/09 10:33:17 OUR WATER NEEDS FOREVER.
09/24/09 10:33:19 >> OUR WATER NEEDS OR THE
09/24/09 10:33:19 CRISIS WE ARE IN.
09/24/09 10:33:22 WE HAVE THE LOOK
09/24/09 10:33:23 AT OTHER
09/24/09 10:33:24 SOLUTIONS, OTHER WAYS OF REUSE
09/24/09 10:33:27 OF OUR WATER
09/24/09 10:33:30 SUPPLY.
09/24/09 10:33:31 OKAY.
09/24/09 10:33:31 >> ABSOLUTELY.
09/24/09 10:33:33 >> THEREFORE THAT MEANS YOU GOT
09/24/09 10:33:35 TO THING OUTSIDE THE BOX, FIND
09/24/09 10:33:36 WAYS HOW TO DO THAT.
09/24/09 10:33:38 PART OF OUR PROBLEM IS THAT
09/24/09 10:33:39 THERE ARE SOME ISSUES THAT WE
09/24/09 10:33:40 DON'T KNOW.
09/24/09 10:33:42 THERE ARE SOMETHINGS THAT WE
09/24/09 10:33:43 DON'T KNOW.
09/24/09 10:33:45 HOWEVER STUDIES CAN BE DONE TO
09/24/09 10:33:49 TRY TO ASCERTAIN ANSWERS
09/24/09 10:33:49 TO
09/24/09 10:33:49 THOSE QUESTIONS.
09/24/09 10:33:50 >> THAT'S CORRECT.
09/24/09 10:33:52 >> IT SOUNDS TO ME, WE DON'T
09/24/09 10:33:54 WANT TO FIND OUT WHAT THE
09/24/09 10:33:57 ANSWERS ARE TO THE
09/24/09 10:33:57 QUESTIONS.
09/24/09 10:34:00 BUT IF WE ARE GOING TO BE --
09/24/09 10:34:00 I
09/24/09 10:34:02 HAVE BEEN AROUND, WE ARE THE
09/24/09 10:34:05 NEXT GREAT CITY YET AT THE
09/24/09 10:34:05 SAME
09/24/09 10:34:07 TIME WE NEVER WANT IT BE ON THE
09/24/09 10:34:09 CUTTING EDGE, NEVER WANT TO
09/24/09 10:34:10 THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX.
09/24/09 10:34:11 NEVER WANT TO TAKE WHAT I CALL
09/24/09 10:34:14 A RISK OR TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY
09/24/09 10:34:16 TO JUMP OUT THERE AND FIND OUT
09/24/09 10:34:17 WHAT IS AVAILABLE.
09/24/09 10:34:19 WHAT CAN WE DO.
09/24/09 10:34:21 NOW I AGREE WITH MR. MIRANDA WE
09/24/09 10:34:24 MUST LOOK
09/24/09 10:34:26 AT OPPORTUNITIES,
09/24/09 10:34:28 FIND WAYS OR AT LEAST EXPLORE
09/24/09 10:34:28 THEM.
09/24/09 10:34:28 OKAY.
09/24/09 10:34:31 SO THE QUESTION BECOMES, IS
09/24/09 10:34:34 THERE OPPORTUNITY TO DO
09/24/09 10:34:35 A
09/24/09 10:34:36 STUDY.
09/24/09 10:34:37 IS THERE OPPORTUNITY TO ASK
09/24/09 10:34:40 SWIFT MUD OR TAMPA BAY TO FUND
09/24/09 10:34:41 THAT STUDY OR DO IT JOINTLY SO
09/24/09 10:34:44 THAT WE CAN FIND ANSWERS
09/24/09 10:34:45 TO THE
09/24/09 10:34:45 QUESTION.
09/24/09 10:34:48 WE ARE OVER THE LAST YEAR
09/24/09 10:34:50 LOOKING AT LIGHT RAIL.
09/24/09 10:34:52 I HAVE BEEN TO PORTLAND, SAN
09/24/09 10:34:54 DIEGO, CHARLOTTE, I HAVE BEEN
09/24/09 10:34:56 ALL THESE PLACES TO LOOK AT
09/24/09 10:34:56 LIGHT RAIL.
09/24/09 10:34:58 STUDY THEM AND WE STILL WHEN IT
09/24/09 10:35:00 GOES ON THE BALLOT WE STILL
09/24/09 10:35:02 WOULD NOT HAVE ALL THE FACTS,
09/24/09 10:35:03 NOT ALL THE INFORMATION.
09/24/09 10:35:05 THAT IS A FACT.
09/24/09 10:35:07 BUT AT LEAST WE HAVE DONE A
09/24/09 10:35:09 STUDY, COME AS CLOSE AS WE CAN
09/24/09 10:35:12 TO WHAT THAT NUMBER
09/24/09 10:35:14 WOULD BE.
09/24/09 10:35:17 TURNS OUT WHAT THE COST
09/24/09 10:35:17 WOULD
09/24/09 10:35:18 WITH, THAT PARTICULAR ROUTE.
09/24/09 10:35:21 WHY NOT DO A STUDY
09/24/09 10:35:23 ON THIS
09/24/09 10:35:23 ISSUE.
09/24/09 10:35:24 USER RECLAIM FOR REUSE.
09/24/09 10:35:27 TALK TO SWIFT MUD, TALK TO
09/24/09 10:35:28 TAMPA BAY WATER.
09/24/09 10:35:31 SEE IF THEY JOIN US
09/24/09 10:35:33 IN A STUDY
09/24/09 10:35:36 SO ISSUES CAN BE PLACED
09/24/09 10:35:38 ON A
09/24/09 10:35:39 BALLOT.
09/24/09 10:35:42 THAT IS WHERE I
09/24/09 10:35:43 AM TODAY.
09/24/09 10:35:44 AGAIN MR. MIRANDA, IT IS DOLE.
09/24/09 10:35:47 I THINK IT IS DOABLE TO GET
09/24/09 10:35:50 SOME ANSWERS TO THE QUESTION
09/24/09 10:35:52 AND ITHINK IT IS DOABLE ONCE
09/24/09 10:35:55 WHERE SHE THE ANSWER TO
09/24/09 10:35:56 QUESTIONS FOR VOTERS TO DECIDE
09/24/09 10:35:57 IF THEY WANT THIS OR NOT
09/24/09 10:36:00 >> I AM QUICKLY GOING TO SUM
09/24/09 10:36:02 UP WHAT YOU JUST SAID.
09/24/09 10:36:02 YOU ARE RIGHT.
09/24/09 10:36:04 PUBLIC DOES NOT HAVE ALL THE
09/24/09 10:36:05 FACTS ON ANYTHING.
09/24/09 10:36:07 ON THIS, OR ON LIGHT RAIL.
09/24/09 10:36:09 WHAT THE PUBLIC IS BEING TOLD
09/24/09 10:36:12 IS A 1 CENT INCREASE IN LIGHT
09/24/09 10:36:13 RAIL AM I CORRECT?
09/24/09 10:36:15 >> YES, SIR.
09/24/09 10:36:18 >> WHAT DOES THAT EQUATE TO
09/24/09 10:36:20 IN
09/24/09 10:36:21 PERCENTAGE OF MONEY.
09/24/09 10:36:24 IT IS 15% 7 CREPTS TO 8-CENTS?
09/24/09 10:36:25 >> INCREASE.
09/24/09 10:36:26 >> I LEARNED THAT WHEN YOU GO
09/24/09 10:36:29 TO THE BANK AND YOU GOT --YOU
09/24/09 10:36:32 WANT TO CUT YOUR CD BY 1%
09/24/09 10:36:34 BUT
09/24/09 10:36:35 IT IS 5:4.
09/24/09 10:36:39 THEY ARE CUTTING IT 20%
09/24/09 10:36:39 YOUR
09/24/09 10:36:39 MONEY.
09/24/09 10:36:40 1% IS DECEIVING.
09/24/09 10:36:41 I AM FOR LIGHT RAIL BUT I AM
09/24/09 10:36:44 GOING SELL IT THE WAY IT IS.
09/24/09 10:36:47 I AM NOT GOING TO TELL THEM
09/24/09 10:36:49 WHAT PER CENT, I AM GOING TO
09/24/09 10:36:50 TELL THEM THE FACTS.
09/24/09 10:36:52 NOT TRICKERY, NOT TO SAY YOU
09/24/09 10:36:55 ARE BUT I WANT TO PUBLIC TO
09/24/09 10:36:55 BE
09/24/09 10:36:58 FULLY UNDERSTANDING HOWEVER
09/24/09 10:36:58 THING COSTS.
09/24/09 10:37:00 THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN.
09/24/09 10:37:01 >> COUNCILMAN MULHERN AND THEN
09/24/09 10:37:03 WE NEED TO MOVE.
09/24/09 10:37:06 >> I JUST WANT TO SAY ONE I WAS
09/24/09 10:37:08 GOING TO SUGGEST THAT YOU LOOK
09/24/09 10:37:11 TO DO A STUDY ON
09/24/09 10:37:12 THIS.
09/24/09 10:37:15 THERE IS
09/24/09 10:37:18 STIMULUS MONEY FLORIDA
09/24/09 10:37:20 AND TAMPA IS NOT DIPPING INTO.
09/24/09 10:37:22 THIS IS VERY --SUSTAINABILITY
09/24/09 10:37:23 IS A BIG ISSUE.
09/24/09 10:37:24 THERE ARE MONEY OUT THERE.
09/24/09 10:37:27 SO IF WE WANT TO GO FORWARD WE
09/24/09 10:37:28 SHOULD LOOK AT THAT.
09/24/09 10:37:31 THE OTHER THING AS FAR AS WHAT
09/24/09 10:37:32 I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR
09/24/09 10:37:34 APPROXIMATE YOU ANDLY TRY TO
09/24/09 10:37:36 SCHEDULE ANOTHER WORKSHOP ON
09/24/09 10:37:39 THIS IN
09/24/09 10:37:41 LIKE MAYBE THREE, FOUR
09/24/09 10:37:41 MONTHS.
09/24/09 10:37:44 THIS IS THE ECONOMIC
09/24/09 10:37:46 AND
09/24/09 10:37:49 ENVIRONMENTAL RULE.
09/24/09 10:37:50 REDUCE, REUSE, RECYCLE.
09/24/09 10:37:53 SO I THINK MR.
09/24/09 10:37:53 MIRANDA IS
09/24/09 10:37:55 TALKING ABOUT REUSING BUT
09/24/09 10:37:57 CONSERVATION PART, THAT IS THE
09/24/09 10:37:59 FIRST THING YOU DO BECAUSE IT
09/24/09 10:37:59 DOESN'T COST ANYTHING.
09/24/09 10:38:02 IT WILL COST US IN WATER FEES
09/24/09 10:38:04 BUT WE HAVE TO FORGET ABOUT
09/24/09 10:38:04 THAT.
09/24/09 10:38:07 WE HAVE BIGGER, LONGER
09/24/09 10:38:08 TERM,
09/24/09 10:38:10 YOU KNOW, SAVING OUR
09/24/09 10:38:10 GRANDCHILDREN SO THEY WILL
09/24/09 10:38:13 STILL BE ABLE TO LIVE HERE AND
09/24/09 10:38:13 THEN RECYCLE.
09/24/09 10:38:15 THAT IS WHAT I WANT THE HEAR AS
09/24/09 10:38:17 FAR AS OUR LONG TERM WATER
09/24/09 10:38:20 PLAN, WHAT ARE WE DOING IN THAT
09/24/09 10:38:20 ORDER.
09/24/09 10:38:23 WHAT ARE WE DOING
09/24/09 10:38:24 TO REDUCE
09/24/09 10:38:24 CONSERVATION.
09/24/09 10:38:26 I KNOW WE ARE DOING THINGS I
09/24/09 10:38:28 WANT TO HEAR ABOUT IT AT THIS
09/24/09 10:38:30 WORKSHOP IN THREE MONTHS.
09/24/09 10:38:32 AND IF WE ARE GOING TO GO
09/24/09 10:38:34 FORWARD, IF YOU ARE INTERESTED
09/24/09 10:38:37 IN GOING FORWARD WITH DOING
09/24/09 10:38:38 A
09/24/09 10:38:41 STUDY ON THE REUSE PART WE WILL
09/24/09 10:38:44 TALK ABOUT RECYCLING
09/24/09 10:38:45 ANOTHER
09/24/09 10:38:45 DAY.
09/24/09 10:38:46 >> COUNCILMEMBER SAUL-SENA PGH
09/24/09 10:38:48 >> CAN I MAKE A MOTION TO HAVE
09/24/09 10:38:50 A WORKSHOP ON THIS MAYBE IN
09/24/09 10:38:51 FEBRUARY?
09/24/09 10:38:54 >> MY ONLY QUESTION
09/24/09 10:38:56 ON THE
09/24/09 10:38:58 WORKSHOP IS --
09/24/09 10:38:59 >> STAFF REPORT.
09/24/09 10:39:01 >> MY INFORMATION IS TO TRY TO
09/24/09 10:39:03 GET THE INFORMATION SO WE CAN
09/24/09 10:39:03 MOVE FORWARD.
09/24/09 10:39:05 WE CAN HAVE A WORKSHOP.
09/24/09 10:39:08 >> HOW ARE WE GOING
09/24/09 10:39:09 DO THAT?
09/24/09 10:39:12 I TAKE YOUR
09/24/09 10:39:13 SUGGESTION TODAY.
09/24/09 10:39:14 >> THANK YOU.
09/24/09 10:39:16 >> A STAFF REPORT OR WHAT?
09/24/09 10:39:18 >> SOME KIND OF STUDY TO BRING
09/24/09 10:39:20 BACK SOME KIND OF STUDY,
09/24/09 10:39:23 REPORT, SOME KIND OF LOOKING AT
09/24/09 10:39:24 WHAT OTHER CITIES, HOW THEY
09/24/09 10:39:25 DID, WHAT WAS COST OF THAT.
09/24/09 10:39:27 >> SO I WILL MAKE A MOTION THAT
09/24/09 10:39:30 WE HAVE A STAFF REPORT ON
09/24/09 10:39:32 THIS
09/24/09 10:39:35 TOPIC, ON
09/24/09 10:39:37 THE REUSE IN 3
09/24/09 10:39:37 MONTHS.
09/24/09 10:39:39 3 MONTHS IS WHAT?
09/24/09 10:39:39 JANUARY.
09/24/09 10:39:40 I DON'T KNOW.
09/24/09 10:39:41 >> JANUARY.
09/24/09 10:39:44 >> JANUARY BE GOOD?
09/24/09 10:39:44 OKAY.
09/24/09 10:39:46 SO WHERE IS MY CALENDAR.
09/24/09 10:39:48 >> SET IT FOR ABOUT 2 HOURS.
09/24/09 10:39:51 >> YEAH, MAYBE --
09/24/09 10:39:52 YEAH.
09/24/09 10:39:52 >> COUNCILMEMBER SAUL-SENA.
09/24/09 10:39:55 >> WAIT
09/24/09 10:39:56 A MINUTE.
09/24/09 10:39:57 STAFF REPORT GIVES US 5
09/24/09 10:39:58 MINUTES.
09/24/09 10:39:59 >> THAT IS THE PROBLEM WITH
09/24/09 10:40:01 FIGURING OUT WHAT TO CALL
09/24/09 10:40:01 THESE.
09/24/09 10:40:04 >> IF IT IS 2 HOURS IT IS A
09/24/09 10:40:04 WORKSHOP.
09/24/09 10:40:07 IF IT IS A WORKSHOP IT NEEDS TO
09/24/09 10:40:08 BE JANUARY OR FEBRUARY.
09/24/09 10:40:10 >> WE JUST PUT SOMETHING ELSE
09/24/09 10:40:11 ON JANUARY.
09/24/09 10:40:13 LET'S DO IT FOR FEBRUARY.
09/24/09 10:40:14 >>>I WILL SECOND THAT.
09/24/09 10:40:16 MR. CHAIRMAN I THINK THE
09/24/09 10:40:19 INFORMATION IS ALWAYS A
09/24/09 10:40:19 GOOD
09/24/09 10:40:22 THING I JUST DON'T KNOW THIS
09/24/09 10:40:23 IS
09/24/09 10:40:24 NECESSARILY SOMETHING
09/24/09 10:40:25 APPROPRIATE FOR A PUBLIC VOTE.
09/24/09 10:40:28 I THINK THAT WE NEED
09/24/09 10:40:29 TO GATHER
09/24/09 10:40:30 INFORMATION BUT AS WE ALL KNOW
09/24/09 10:40:33 IT IS A VERY
09/24/09 10:40:34 COMPLEX ISSUE.
09/24/09 10:40:37 I DON'T KNOW THAT
09/24/09 10:40:39 THAT IS THE
09/24/09 10:40:39 APPROPRIATE VENUE.
09/24/09 10:40:41 I WILL SUPPORT THE IDEA OF
09/24/09 10:40:42 GETTING MORE INFORMATION.
09/24/09 10:40:45 I HAD A
09/24/09 10:40:47 REALLY INTERESTING
09/24/09 10:40:48 CONVERSATION WITH MR. BAIRD
09/24/09 10:40:51 ABOUT SOME OF MY
09/24/09 10:40:52 PREVIOUS
09/24/09 10:40:53 CONCERNS ABOUT HORMONE
09/24/09 10:40:56 DISRUPTORS BEING ABLE TO BE
09/24/09 10:40:56 FILTERED OUT.
09/24/09 10:40:58 I AM STILL NOT CLEAR ON THAT.
09/24/09 10:41:01 I BELIEVE
09/24/09 10:41:01 OUR TECHNOLOGY
09/24/09 10:41:02 CONTINUES TO INPROVE.
09/24/09 10:41:05 I DON'T KNOW THAT IT IS
09/24/09 10:41:06 SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE A
09/24/09 10:41:09 PUBLIC VOTE RATHER THAN A VOTE
09/24/09 10:41:10 BY ELECTED OFFICIALS.
09/24/09 10:41:12 BUT I MEAN, NOT --IT IS
09/24/09 10:41:14 PREMATURE FOR US TO VOTEN THAT.
09/24/09 10:41:17 I THINK --
09/24/09 10:41:20 >> FEBRUARY 11th MOTION FOR
09/24/09 10:41:20 WORKSHOP.
09/24/09 10:41:22 >> IS THAT A WORKSHOP DATE?
09/24/09 10:41:25 >> FEBRUARY 11th.
09/24/09 10:41:26 >> NO, FEBRUARY.
09/24/09 10:41:28 >> 25th.
09/24/09 10:41:28 >> 25th.
09/24/09 10:41:30 >> 9:00 A.M.
09/24/09 10:41:31 >> 9:00.
09/24/09 10:41:32 >> YES, SIR.
09/24/09 10:41:33 >> JUST REMIND COUNCIL BEFORE
09/24/09 10:41:34 YOU TAKE ACTION YOU HAVE TO
09/24/09 10:41:35 OPEN UP TO THE PUBLIC.
09/24/09 10:41:37 >> YEAH, I WAS GETTING READY TO
09/24/09 10:41:38 DO THAT.
09/24/09 10:41:41 THIS IS A WORKSHOP.
09/24/09 10:41:42 ANYONE FROM PUBLIC WISH TO
09/24/09 10:41:44 ADDRESS COUNCIL MAY COME FORBEG
09/24/09 10:41:45 YOUR PARDON AT THIS TIME.
09/24/09 10:41:47 STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR
09/24/09 10:41:50 THE RECORD PLEASE.
09/24/09 10:41:50 3 MINUTES.
09/24/09 10:41:53 >> THANK YOU.
09/24/09 10:41:56 RON 7303 NORTH PACKWOOD
09/24/09 10:41:57 AVENUE
09/24/09 10:41:58 TAMPA FLORIDA.
09/24/09 10:41:58 33604.
09/24/09 10:42:01 I AM A NATIVE OF THE CITY
09/24/09 10:42:01 OF
09/24/09 10:42:05 TAMPA, LIVED HERE 57
09/24/09 10:42:07 YEARS
09/24/09 10:42:07 NEVER LIVENED PLACE ELSE.
09/24/09 10:42:10 I HAVE ' BACHELOR AND MASTERS
09/24/09 10:42:13 FROM WATER RESOURCE ENGINEERING
09/24/09 10:42:15 FROM UNIVERSITY OF SOUTH
09/24/09 10:42:16 FLORIDA AND OVER 30 YEARS
09/24/09 10:42:18 EXPERIENCE WORKING IN ALL TYPES
09/24/09 10:42:20 OF WATER ISSUES THROUGHOUT
09/24/09 10:42:20 FLORIDA.
09/24/09 10:42:23 I AM HERE TO COMMENT
09/24/09 10:42:27 ON THIS
09/24/09 10:42:27 ISSUE.
09/24/09 10:42:28 I HAVE SEEN TESTIMONY PA AND
09/24/09 10:42:30 THE COMMUNITY GROW --TAMPA
09/24/09 10:42:31 AND THE COMMUNITY GROW.
09/24/09 10:42:33 I HAVE SEEN ALL THE EASY AND
09/24/09 10:42:36 QUICK AND CHEAP WATER BE
09/24/09 10:42:37 USED
09/24/09 10:42:39 AS IS EVERYWHERE IN FLORIDA,
09/24/09 10:42:41 U.S. AND THE WORLD.
09/24/09 10:42:43 DAMS, RESERVOIRS, GRAND WATER
09/24/09 10:42:46 THAT WE USE ARE EXPENDED AND
09/24/09 10:42:48 SOME TIMES OVER EXPENDED.
09/24/09 10:42:51 THE USE OF RECLAIMED WATER
09/24/09 10:42:52 IS A
09/24/09 10:42:54 LOGICAL NEXT STEP.
09/24/09 10:42:55 IN ALL ASPECTS.
09/24/09 10:42:58 I DON'T THINK THIS
09/24/09 10:42:58 COUNCIL AND
09/24/09 10:43:00 THE CITY SHOULD WE STRICT IT TO
09/24/09 10:43:01 ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.
09/24/09 10:43:04 IF WE HAVE A QUICK
09/24/09 10:43:06 AND EASY
09/24/09 10:43:08 PLACE TO BUILD A PIPE AND
09/24/09 10:43:10 IRRIGATE, THAT SHOULD BE DONE.
09/24/09 10:43:13 BUT AS COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA
09/24/09 10:43:15 HAS SAID TO BUILD PIPEIRRIGATE
09/24/09 10:43:17 OVER THE ENTIRE SOUTH TAMPA AND
09/24/09 10:43:20 NEW TAMPA WILL
09/24/09 10:43:23 BE EXTREMELY
09/24/09 10:43:24 EXPENSIVE AND PER SENTINEL OF
09/24/09 10:43:26 WATER WILL BE LOWER.
09/24/09 10:43:28 --PERCENTAGE OF WATER WILL BE
09/24/09 10:43:29 LOWER.
09/24/09 10:43:31 THE USE OF RECLAIMED WATER, AND
09/24/09 10:43:32 WATER SYSTEMS, IS DONE ALL
09/24/09 10:43:33 OVER.
09/24/09 10:43:36 I MEAN THERE IS LOTS OF PLACES
09/24/09 10:43:39 THAT ARE BEING USED AS EXAMPLES
09/24/09 10:43:40 NOW CALIFORNIA, WEST PALM BEACH
09/24/09 10:43:43 BUT SINCE THE BEGINNING
09/24/09 10:43:43 OF
09/24/09 10:43:45 DEVELOPMENT, THE MISSISSIPPI
09/24/09 10:43:46 RIVER GOES FROM MINNEAPOLIS TO
09/24/09 10:43:49 NEW ORLEANS, THERE IS A HUNDRED
09/24/09 10:43:51 MILLION PEOPLE IN THAT RIVER
09/24/09 10:43:54 BASIN THAT HAVE DISCHARGES, AND
09/24/09 10:43:57 JUST DOWN STREAM THEY HAVE AN
09/24/09 10:43:58 INTAKE AND A DISCHARGE AND AN
09/24/09 10:44:01 INTAKE AND A DISCHARGE
09/24/09 10:44:03 AND AN
09/24/09 10:44:03 INTAKE.
09/24/09 10:44:04 1500 MILES FROM MINNEAPOLIS TO
09/24/09 10:44:04 NEW ORLEANS.
09/24/09 10:44:06 THEY ARE NOT DEBATING THIS
09/24/09 10:44:08 ISSUE, CERTAINLY WE WANT TO BE
09/24/09 10:44:10 CAREFUL ABOUT HEALTH ISSUES BUT
09/24/09 10:44:12 MOST PEOPLE DON'T HAVE ANY
09/24/09 10:44:12 OTHER WATER.
09/24/09 10:44:14 THEY HAVE TO DRINK WHAT COMES
09/24/09 10:44:16 FROM UP STREAM.
09/24/09 10:44:18 I WOULD LIKE TO JUST END WITH A
09/24/09 10:44:21 COUPLE COMMENTS ABOUT
09/24/09 10:44:21 PUBLIC
09/24/09 10:44:22 INFORMATION.
09/24/09 10:44:24 WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT, THE
09/24/09 10:44:26 STAFF HAS TALKED ABOUT IT.
09/24/09 10:44:28 WELL, I WROTE ON JANUARY 28th.
09/24/09 10:44:31 A LETTER TO THE
09/24/09 10:44:32 EDITORS OF
09/24/09 10:44:34 TAMPA TRIBUNE BECAUSE AFTER
09/24/09 10:44:36 SEEING THREE ARTICLES I BECAME
09/24/09 10:44:36 INFURIATED.
09/24/09 10:44:37 THESE ARE THE TITLES.
09/24/09 10:44:39 WHEN WE TALK ABOUT INFORMATION
09/24/09 10:44:42 IT SHOULD BE UNBIASED
09/24/09 10:44:45 INFORMATION, SOLID,
09/24/09 10:44:45 TECHNICAL
09/24/09 10:44:45 INFORMATION.
09/24/09 10:44:47 TAMPA TRIBUNE, JUNE 24th, 2009,
09/24/09 10:44:51 TITLE OF THE FUTURE ARTICLE
09/24/09 10:44:54 FROM TOILET
09/24/09 10:44:55 TO TAP.
09/24/09 10:44:58 SECOND
09/24/09 10:44:59 ARTICLE, DRINKING
09/24/09 10:44:59 WASTEWATER.
09/24/09 10:45:02 JUNE 25th 09 TOILET
09/24/09 10:45:05 TO TAP YOUR
09/24/09 10:45:05 VOTE.
09/24/09 10:45:08 JUNE 27th OF 09 IS THE
09/24/09 10:45:08 PRIZE
09/24/09 10:45:09 WINNER.
09/24/09 10:45:10 IF THIS ISN'T SENSATIONAL
09/24/09 10:45:11 JOURNALISM OR INADEQUATE I
09/24/09 10:45:14 DON'T KNOW WHAT IS.
09/24/09 10:45:16 TAKING THE PLUNGE WITH TOILET
09/24/09 10:45:16 WATER.
09/24/09 10:45:18 TAKING THE PLUNGE WITH TOILET
09/24/09 10:45:18 WATER.
09/24/09 10:45:21 THAT WAS THE TITLE OF THE FRONT
09/24/09 10:45:23 PAGE OF THE TAMPA TRIBUNE
09/24/09 10:45:23 ARTICLE.
09/24/09 10:45:26 THAT IS NOT FAIR INFORMATION
09/24/09 10:45:27 FOR THE PUBLIC.
09/24/09 10:45:29 >> THANK YOU.
09/24/09 10:45:30 >> LET'S HEAR FROM THE SPEAKER
09/24/09 10:45:33 I WILL LET YOU
09/24/09 10:45:38 COME BACK.
09/24/09 10:45:38 OKAY.
09/24/09 10:45:38 >>> 213 SOUTH CHERYL.
09/24/09 10:45:41 I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO FOLLOW
09/24/09 10:45:44 THIS FROM HOME SINCE YOU
09/24/09 10:45:45 STARTED THIS.
09/24/09 10:45:46 HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO BE HERE
09/24/09 10:45:49 TALKED TO A FEW
09/24/09 10:45:51 OF YOU.
09/24/09 10:45:53 THE GENTLEMAN TOOK MY THUNDER
09/24/09 10:45:54 AWAY I LIVED THE FIRST 30 YEARS
09/24/09 10:45:56 OF MY LIFE IN NEW ORLEANS.
09/24/09 10:46:00 THAT RIVER IS DUMPED IN
09/24/09 10:46:00 AND
09/24/09 10:46:00 TAKEN OUT.
09/24/09 10:46:01 YES.
09/24/09 10:46:02 THERE ARE MORE MEDICATIONS
09/24/09 10:46:04 TODAY, BUT WE DON'T EVEN KNOW
09/24/09 10:46:06 WHAT IS REALLY IN OUR GROUND
09/24/09 10:46:06 WATER.
09/24/09 10:46:09 WHAT WHEN THE RAINWATER FILTERS
09/24/09 10:46:10 THROUGH AND GOES SEE THE
09/24/09 10:46:10 GROUND.
09/24/09 10:46:13 WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IS
09/24/09 10:46:15 IN THAT
09/24/09 10:46:17 GROUND GOING THROUGH.
09/24/09 10:46:20 I WANT TO ENCOURAGE COUNCIL TO
09/24/09 10:46:21 HAVE ADMINISTRATION PLEASE GO
09/24/09 10:46:23 THROUGH AND STUDY THIS.
09/24/09 10:46:25 KEEP AN OPEN MIND BECAUSE WITH
09/24/09 10:46:27 WHAT THE WATER DEPARTMENT IS
09/24/09 10:46:29 TELLING US NOW, FOR US JUST TO
09/24/09 10:46:32 KEEP, I WILL USE MY OWN LAWN
09/24/09 10:46:34 FOR EXAMPLE, I WAS ONE OF THOSE
09/24/09 10:46:37 WAY BACK IN
09/24/09 10:46:40 THE
09/24/09 10:46:40 ADMINISTRATION,
09/24/09 10:46:41 SANDY FREEDMAN'S ADMINISTRATION
09/24/09 10:46:43 I PUSHED FOR RECLAIMED WATER
09/24/09 10:46:44 HOWEVER NO ONE TOLD ME I
09/24/09 10:46:47 WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO USE IT ON
09/24/09 10:46:49 MY LAWN BECAUSE I HAVE FRUIT
09/24/09 10:46:51 TREES, AZALEAS, YOU CAN'T USE
09/24/09 10:46:52 IT ON VEGETATION.
09/24/09 10:46:53 THAT IS WHY IT IS NOT USED
09/24/09 10:46:55 INNING ARY CULL WHICH ARE.
09/24/09 10:46:58 I WOULD KILL THE
09/24/09 10:46:59 --
09/24/09 10:46:59 AGRICULTURE.
09/24/09 10:47:02 I WOULD KILL THE WONDERFUL
09/24/09 10:47:03 FRUIT TREES, I HAVE.
09/24/09 10:47:05 NOW THEY WANT TO START CHARGING
09/24/09 10:47:07 ME SEWER CHARGES ON WATER NOT
09/24/09 10:47:08 GOING IN THE SEWER.
09/24/09 10:47:11 I THINK THAT IS A LAWSUIT THE
09/24/09 10:47:13 CITY IS LOOKING TO LOOK AT
09/24/09 10:47:16 BECAUSE THAT IS JUST TOTALLY
09/24/09 10:47:16 NOT FAIR.
09/24/09 10:47:18 WATER THAT DOESN'T GO INTO THE
09/24/09 10:47:20 SEWER SHOULD NOT HAVE A CHARGE
09/24/09 10:47:21 ON IT.
09/24/09 10:47:22 THE SEWER TREATMENT.
09/24/09 10:47:25 AND THE SECOND PART OF IT
09/24/09 10:47:25 IS
09/24/09 10:47:27 THEY ARE ALREADY CHARGING A
09/24/09 10:47:29 PENALTY FOR USING OVER X NUMBER
09/24/09 10:47:31 OF GALLONS.
09/24/09 10:47:34 SO WE ARE ALREADY
09/24/09 10:47:35 BEING
09/24/09 10:47:37 PENALIZED BECAUSE WE HAVE TO
09/24/09 10:47:40 USE THAT REGULAR WATER ON A
09/24/09 10:47:43 LAWN THAT IF I WERE THE REDO
09/24/09 10:47:45 IT, THEY WOULD STILL NOT WANT
09/24/09 10:47:48 ME TO USE WHAT I HAVE TO USE ON
09/24/09 10:47:49 MY FRUIT TREES.
09/24/09 10:47:52 THEY WOULD CHARGE ME AND
09/24/09 10:47:52 MY
09/24/09 10:47:54 OTHER AZALEAS AND OTHER
09/24/09 10:47:56 SHRUBBERY THAT I HAVE THAT YOU
09/24/09 10:47:59 CAN'T USE IT OR IT KILLS
09/24/09 10:48:00 IT.
09/24/09 10:48:02 PLEASE LOOK, IF THIS HASN'T
09/24/09 10:48:05 COME THROUGH YET ABOUT CHARGING
09/24/09 10:48:07 SEWER RATES ON WATERWAY
09/24/09 10:48:08 WATERING OUR LAWN, PLEASE
09/24/09 10:48:11 BEFORE YOU PASS IT I HOPE THAT
09/24/09 10:48:12 THE WATER DEPARTMENT, SEWER
09/24/09 10:48:13 DEPARTMENT OR WHOEVER IS
09/24/09 10:48:16 COMPOSING THIS REALLY LOOKS
09/24/09 10:48:17 AT
09/24/09 10:48:17 IT.
09/24/09 10:48:18 PEOPLE JUST DON'T REALIZE WHAT
09/24/09 10:48:19 IS GOING TO HAPPEN.
09/24/09 10:48:20 THANK YOU.
09/24/09 10:48:23 >>
09/24/09 10:48:26 THANK
09/24/09 10:48:26 YOU.
09/24/09 10:48:27 NEXT SPEAKER.
09/24/09 10:48:29 >> GOOD MORNING.
09/24/09 10:48:32 I LIVE AT 3016 LITTLE
09/24/09 10:48:33 ROAD IN
09/24/09 10:48:34 LUTES.
09/24/09 10:48:36 I AM RETIRED WATER RESOURCE
09/24/09 10:48:39 ENGINEER WITH OVER 40
09/24/09 10:48:40 YEARS OF
09/24/09 10:48:40 EXPERIENCE.
09/24/09 10:48:42 THIS EXPERIENCE BROUGHT ME HERE
09/24/09 10:48:45 TODAY BECAUSE AGAIN, AS A
09/24/09 10:48:46 NATIVE TAMPA, LIKE RON, I HAVE
09/24/09 10:48:48 SEEN AND WORKED ALL OVER THE
09/24/09 10:48:51 COUNTRY ON WATER RESOURCE
09/24/09 10:48:53 ISSUES, VERY COMPLEX AND EVERY
09/24/09 10:48:55 COMMUNITY, EVERY AREA HAS ITS
09/24/09 10:48:56 OWN CHARACTERISTICS.
09/24/09 10:48:59 IT HAS TO
09/24/09 10:49:01 BE ADDRESSED
09/24/09 10:49:04 SPECIFICALLY.
09/24/09 10:49:07 THE KEY QUESTION I THINK
09/24/09 10:49:08 IS
09/24/09 10:49:10 VERY CONFUSING TO THE PUBLIC IS
09/24/09 10:49:12 TERM TECHNOLOGY, LIABILITY AND
09/24/09 10:49:14 THE FACT THAT OVER THE LAST 3
09/24/09 10:49:17 DECADES THERE HAVE
09/24/09 10:49:19 BEEN VERY
09/24/09 10:49:21 VERY SIGNIFICANT ADVANCEMENTS
09/24/09 10:49:22 IN TREATMENT.
09/24/09 10:49:22 A PERFECT EXAMPLE HAS BEEN
09/24/09 10:49:24 BROUGHT UP HERE TODAY.
09/24/09 10:49:27 TODAY WE HAVE TAMPA
09/24/09 10:49:32 BAY WATER
09/24/09 10:49:32 DESAL PLANT.
09/24/09 10:49:33 TECHNOLOGIES THAT ARE BEING
09/24/09 10:49:36 APPLIED TO TAKE BAY WATER TO
09/24/09 10:49:37 MAKE DRINKING WATER ARE EXACTLY
09/24/09 10:49:39 THE TECHNOLOGIES WE ARE TALKING
09/24/09 10:49:42 ABOUT TO PRODUCE WATER FROM A
09/24/09 10:49:45 FRESH WATER SOURCE KNOWN
09/24/09 10:49:45 AS THE
09/24/09 10:49:48 KERN
09/24/09 10:49:49 F LINE.
09/24/09 10:49:49 HIGHLY TREATED.
09/24/09 10:49:51 THE KEY POINT IS THE DIFFICULTY
09/24/09 10:49:55 OF TREATING BAY WATER,
09/24/09 10:49:56 SEA
09/24/09 10:49:59 WATER WITH MEMBRANEWHAT HAVE
09/24/09 10:50:01 YOU, MAGNITUDE MORE COMPLEX AND
09/24/09 10:50:02 DIFFICULT TAKING FRESH WATER,
09/24/09 10:50:05 PUTTING IT THROUGH
09/24/09 10:50:07 THE SAME
09/24/09 10:50:10 BASIC OPERATION THEY ARE
09/24/09 10:50:11 KEYED
09/24/09 10:50:13 INTO REVERSE FACTOR AND YES, WE
09/24/09 10:50:17 ARE
09/24/09 10:50:20 CONCERNED
09/24/09 10:50:20 ABOUT
09/24/09 10:50:20 CONSTITUENTS, HORMONES.
09/24/09 10:50:21 WHATEVER.
09/24/09 10:50:24 THEY ARE ALL THERE, WATCHING
09/24/09 10:50:27 THE TREATMENT THE EFFLUENT
09/24/09 10:50:27 THAT
09/24/09 10:50:29 WILL BE PRODUCED BY THIS
09/24/09 10:50:32 PROCESS IS SUCH THAT YOU WILL
09/24/09 10:50:35 HAVE ESSENTIALLY A DISTILLED
09/24/09 10:50:35 WATER ENVIRONMENT.
09/24/09 10:50:37 YET, WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT
09/24/09 10:50:40 USING THAT WATER FOR
09/24/09 10:50:40 DRINKING
09/24/09 10:50:41 WATER.
09/24/09 10:50:42 WE ARE TALKING ABOUT --AND
09/24/09 10:50:43 THIS IS SOMETHING I THINK WE
09/24/09 10:50:47 NEED TO ALSO EVALUATE
09/24/09 10:50:47 IN THE
09/24/09 10:50:49 EVALUATION PROCESS AND
09/24/09 10:50:52 COMMUNICATING WITH THE
09/24/09 10:50:54 COMMUNITY, THAT TAKING THIS
09/24/09 10:50:58 WATER, HIGHLY
09/24/09 10:51:01 TREATED NOW
09/24/09 10:51:04 TO
09/24/09 10:51:06 THE NTH DEGREE, PLACING IT IN
09/24/09 10:51:09 THE RESERVOIR, IT WILL BECOME
09/24/09 10:51:12 THE WALL WATER SOURCE FOR THE
09/24/09 10:51:13 TIPPIN PLANT.
09/24/09 10:51:15 WE NOW PUT BELT SAW PENDERS AND
09/24/09 10:51:18 EVEN ROPE OBSERVING --
09/24/09 10:51:20 SUSPENDERS AND ROPE ON THE
09/24/09 10:51:22 LEVEL OF TREATMENT TO MAKE THE
09/24/09 10:51:24 WATER SAFE FOR ALL OUR
09/24/09 10:51:25 CHILDREN, GRANDCHILDREN AND
09/24/09 10:51:26 WHAT HAVE YOU.
09/24/09 10:51:29 ONE LAST FACTOR, OVER THE
09/24/09 10:51:31 YEARS, WE HAVE HAD DROUGHTS, WE
09/24/09 10:51:33 HAVE ALL EXPERIENCED THIS AND
09/24/09 10:51:35 ONE OF THE FACTORS AND ONE OF
09/24/09 10:51:39 THE DETRIMENTS OF DROUGHT HAVE
09/24/09 10:51:40 BEEN THE RIVER.
09/24/09 10:51:42 THE LACK OF FLOW RELEASED FROM
09/24/09 10:51:42 THE RIVER.
09/24/09 10:51:45 IF WE DO WITH A WE ARE TALKING
09/24/09 10:51:48 ABOUT, BRINGING WATER BACK
09/24/09 10:51:50 INTOWITH A WE ARE TALKING
09/24/09 10:51:53 ABOUT, IT GIVES MANAGEMENT OF
09/24/09 10:51:56 THESE SYSTEMS ABILITY TO NOW
09/24/09 10:51:59 PROPERLY MANAGE RELEASE
09/24/09 10:51:59 OF
09/24/09 10:51:59 WATER.
09/24/09 10:52:02 I APPRECIATE YOU TIME
09/24/09 10:52:04 THANKS.
09/24/09 10:52:08 >>
09/24/09 10:52:10 NEXT SPEAKER.
09/24/09 10:52:10 PGH
09/24/09 10:52:10 >> CHEF PGH
09/24/09 10:52:13 >> FOR THE RECORD I
09/24/09 10:52:16 AM JANET
09/24/09 10:52:17 DOUGHERTY.
09/24/09 10:52:18 I WASN'T PLANNING ON SPEAKING
09/24/09 10:52:19 BUT I WAS AUDITING THE MEETING
09/24/09 10:52:22 AND FELT I HAD TO SPEAK ON
09/24/09 10:52:23 THIS
09/24/09 10:52:23 ISSUE.
09/24/09 10:52:24 COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, YOU ARE
09/24/09 10:52:26 RIGHT ON TARGET.
09/24/09 10:52:28 MY BACKGROUND SERVED TWO TERMS
09/24/09 10:52:30 ON SWIFT MUD GOVERNING BOARD,
09/24/09 10:52:32 TWO TERMS ON THE ESTUARY
09/24/09 10:52:33 PROGRAM POLICY BOARD.
09/24/09 10:52:35 A DECADE LATER WE ARE SITTING
09/24/09 10:52:37 HERE TALKING ABOUT THIS.
09/24/09 10:52:40 IN 2,000 THIS PROJECT UTILIZING
09/24/09 10:52:43 THIS RECLAIMED WATER WAS OUR
09/24/09 10:52:46 NUMBER ONE PRIORITY AS A
09/24/09 10:52:47 GOVERNING BOARD.
09/24/09 10:52:48 WE STUDIED THIS TO DEATH WITH
09/24/09 10:52:50 THE ESTUARY BOARD.
09/24/09 10:52:53 GET IN TOUCH WITH
09/24/09 10:52:54 HOLLY.
09/24/09 10:52:56 WE TALKED ABOUT INDOE KIN
09/24/09 10:52:57 DISRUPTORS, LAKE APOPKA.
09/24/09 10:53:00 ALL OF THESE ISSUES HAVE
09/24/09 10:53:00 BEEN
09/24/09 10:53:00 VETTED OUT.
09/24/09 10:53:03 REALITY IS WE ARE HERE TODAY
09/24/09 10:53:05 BECAUSE IT MAKES SENSE TO USE
09/24/09 10:53:06 IT.
09/24/09 10:53:07 IT WAS THROW AWAY WATER.
09/24/09 10:53:10 HERE WE ARE DESTROYING OUR
09/24/09 10:53:12 WETLANDS, RECOVERY THAT PUT
09/24/09 10:53:15 THOSE PROJECTS IN
09/24/09 10:53:16 PLACE, DESAL
09/24/09 10:53:19 THE RESERVOIR HAS NOT OWE
09/24/09 10:53:19 CONSIDERED.
09/24/09 10:53:21 THE STATE MANDATE IS THAT IT
09/24/09 10:53:22 NEEDS TO OCCUR.
09/24/09 10:53:24 THOSE WETLANDS NEED TO BE
09/24/09 10:53:24 REPAIRED.
09/24/09 10:53:27 YOU WILL NEED THE FIND WATER.
09/24/09 10:53:28 THIS SUPER CREEDS LIGHT RAIL.
09/24/09 10:53:31 THIS IS YOUR
09/24/09 10:53:32 --SUPERCEDES
09/24/09 10:53:32 LIGHT RAIL.
09/24/09 10:53:34 THIS IS YOUR NUMBER ONE ISSUE.
09/24/09 10:53:36 THE OTHER THING I WOULD LIKE TO
09/24/09 10:53:37 SAY WHEN YOU SIT HERE AND TALK
09/24/09 10:53:39 ABOUT MOVING THIS PROJECT
09/24/09 10:53:42 FORWARD YOU HAVE TMDLs COMING
09/24/09 10:53:42 UP.
09/24/09 10:53:45 I SERVED ON
09/24/09 10:53:47 THE MAYORS
09/24/09 10:53:48 ENVIRONMENTAL ROUND TRAIL MY
09/24/09 10:53:51 FIRST DISCUSSION WITH HER WAS
09/24/09 10:53:54 IN 2010 EPA FOR EVERY
09/24/09 10:53:55 DISCHARGE
09/24/09 10:53:58 WILL FINE
09/24/09 10:53:58 CITYMUNICIPALITIES
09/24/09 10:53:59 $20,000 A DAY.
09/24/09 10:54:00 THAT IS REAL, THAT IS COMING.
09/24/09 10:54:03 THIS WATER IS VALUABLE WATER.
09/24/09 10:54:05 A RESOURCE AND BEING TREATED BY
09/24/09 10:54:08 A PLANT THAT YOU SPENT
09/24/09 10:54:09 $250
09/24/09 10:54:12 MILLION, IT IS A TERTIARY
09/24/09 10:54:12 TREATMENT PLANT.
09/24/09 10:54:14 TREATED TO THE HIGHEST LEVEL.
09/24/09 10:54:16 I THINK YOU NEED TO FIND A WAY
09/24/09 10:54:18 TO USE IT TO REUSE IT BUT STUDY
09/24/09 10:54:20 IT OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
09/24/09 10:54:21 STUDIES HAVE BEEN DONE.
09/24/09 10:54:23 TAKE THOSE STUDIES, TAKE THE
09/24/09 10:54:26 BEST INFORMATION YOU IS,
09/24/09 10:54:28 MAKE A
09/24/09 10:54:30 DECISION AND AS A MEMBER OF THE
09/24/09 10:54:32 PUBLIC I WOULD BE HAPPY TO VOTE
09/24/09 10:54:33 ON THIS.
09/24/09 10:54:35 I WOULD LIKE TO VOTE ON THIS.
09/24/09 10:54:37 I DON'T THINK WE ARE
09/24/09 10:54:40 REUTILIZING THIS WATER IN A
09/24/09 10:54:42 GREEN MATTER, ENVIRONMENTALLY
09/24/09 10:54:42 SUSTAINED MATTER.
09/24/09 10:54:44 I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR
09/24/09 10:54:45 BRINGING THIS UP AND THINKING
09/24/09 10:54:46 OUT OF THE BOX.
09/24/09 10:54:47 THIS IS A NUMBER ONE PRIORITY
09/24/09 10:54:50 >> WE GOT PROMOTED TODAY.
09/24/09 10:54:50 >> THANK YOU PGH
09/24/09 10:54:53 >>
09/24/09 10:54:56 THANK
09/24/09 10:54:57 YOU JANET.
09/24/09 10:54:58 THANK YOU.
09/24/09 10:55:01 >>> GOOD
09/24/09 10:55:02 MORNING COUNCIL.
09/24/09 10:55:06 I AM
09/24/09 10:55:07 WILL WILFRED JOHNSON.
09/24/09 10:55:08 I DIDN'T COME HERE TO SPEAK ON
09/24/09 10:55:10 THIS BUT IT IS INTERESTING.
09/24/09 10:55:13 IN TERMS OF TAKING
09/24/09 10:55:16 SEWER WATER,
09/24/09 10:55:19 PUMPING IT BACK INTO THE
09/24/09 10:55:19 WATER
09/24/09 10:55:21 IS NOT APPETIZING BUT IF YOU
09/24/09 10:55:23 STOP IS THINK I DON'T THINK TOO
09/24/09 10:55:25 MANY BIRDS OR FISH OR
09/24/09 10:55:25 ALLIGATORS GET OUT OF THAT
09/24/09 10:55:27 WATER WHEN THEY HAVE TO GO TO
09/24/09 10:55:29 THE BATHROOM.
09/24/09 10:55:29 THERE IS PROBLEMS THERE.
09/24/09 10:55:31 PROPERLY TREATED I SEE NO
09/24/09 10:55:33 PROBLEM WITH IT.
09/24/09 10:55:34 THANK YOU.
09/24/09 10:55:36 >> WELL PUT.
09/24/09 10:55:37 >> OKAY COUNCILMAN CAETANO YOU
09/24/09 10:55:38 HAVE A QUESTION.
09/24/09 10:55:41 >> TWO GENTLEMEN SITTING ON THE
09/24/09 10:55:44 LEFT, DO YOU SUPPORT
09/24/09 10:55:44 THE STUDY
09/24/09 10:55:47 THAT WE HAVE NOW,
09/24/09 10:55:48 DO YOU
09/24/09 10:55:50 SUPPORT STUDIES WE HAVE DONE IN
09/24/09 10:55:51 THE PAST COUPLE YEARS TO
09/24/09 10:55:53 WARRANT THIS TO BE ON THE
09/24/09 10:55:55 BALLOT FOR GENERAL PUBLIC TO
09/24/09 10:55:56 MAKE A DECISION OR THINK CITY
09/24/09 10:55:59 COUNCIL
09/24/09 10:56:01 SHOULD MAKE THAT
09/24/09 10:56:02 DECISION?
09/24/09 10:56:05 >> COME TO THE
09/24/09 10:56:05 MIC PLEASE.
09/24/09 10:56:08 >> I AM A
09/24/09 10:56:09 CITIZEN 13
09/24/09 10:56:10 ENVIRONMENTAL ENGINEER.
09/24/09 10:56:12 AGAIN I THINK THE QUESTION
09/24/09 10:56:13 BEING PUT BEFORE YOU IS WE GOT
09/24/09 10:56:16 TO CONVINCE THE PUBLIC
09/24/09 10:56:19 ANY
09/24/09 10:56:20 WAY
09/24/09 10:56:23 WEGUARDLESS WHAT ROUTE YOU
09/24/09 10:56:23 TAKE.
09/24/09 10:56:26 I WOULD ENDORSE PUBLICLY
09/24/09 10:56:26 EDUCATING THEM.
09/24/09 10:56:27 >> THANK YOU.
09/24/09 10:56:28 >> YOU HAVE ANOTHER ONE.
09/24/09 10:56:29 >> THIS IS QUICK.
09/24/09 10:56:31 OH, YOU ARE ANSWERING THE
09/24/09 10:56:31 QUESTION.
09/24/09 10:56:34 >> LET HIM
09/24/09 10:56:36 ANSWER PLEASE.
09/24/09 10:56:39 >> IN LISTENING THIS MORNING
09/24/09 10:56:40 YOU HAVE HAD $5 MILLION WORTH
09/24/09 10:56:43 OF STUDIES OVER AN 8 YEAR
09/24/09 10:56:46 PERIOD AND YOU HAD $148,000
09/24/09 10:56:49 WORTH OF STUDY OVER A
09/24/09 10:56:51 ONE YEAR
09/24/09 10:56:52 PERIOD.
09/24/09 10:56:55 $148,000 STUDY DID
09/24/09 10:56:55 NOT CONSIDER
09/24/09 10:56:58 THE ALTERNATIVE AND THE USE
09/24/09 10:57:01 THAT WAS IN THE $5 MILLION
09/24/09 10:57:01 WORTH OF STUDIES.
09/24/09 10:57:04 SO I THINK SPECIFICALLY TO
09/24/09 10:57:06 ANSWER YOUR QUESTION I DON'T
09/24/09 10:57:08 DISPUTE OR CONSIDER EITHER ONE
09/24/09 10:57:10 OF THEM DISREPUTABLE BUT YOU
09/24/09 10:57:13 HAVE TWO MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE
09/24/09 10:57:15 SETS OF INFORMATION THAT SHOULD
09/24/09 10:57:18 PROBABLY BE MERGED
09/24/09 10:57:20 INTO A
09/24/09 10:57:22 SINGLE OVERALL DOCUMENT AND
09/24/09 10:57:25 THEN PACK WILL
09/24/09 10:57:25 INFORMATION
09/24/09 10:57:25 PRESENTED.
09/24/09 10:57:28 I THINK IT WOULD BE --THE
09/24/09 10:57:30 PUBLIC WHEN INFORMED AND NOT
09/24/09 10:57:32 BOMBARDED WITH SENSATIONAL
09/24/09 10:57:35 HEADLINES AS I READ TO YOU,
09/24/09 10:57:36 CAN
09/24/09 10:57:38 MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION
09/24/09 10:57:41 ONGOING FORWARD OR NOT GOING
09/24/09 10:57:43 FORWARD JUST LIKE YOU ARE DOING
09/24/09 10:57:44 ON MASS TRANSIT.
09/24/09 10:57:46 >> THANK YOU.
09/24/09 10:57:48 COUNCIL WOMAN MULHERN.
09/24/09 10:57:51 >> SINCE MR. JOHNSON IS
09/24/09 10:57:52 HERE
09/24/09 10:57:54 AND YOU I THOUGHT MAYBE WE
09/24/09 10:57:57 COULD HAVE SOME STRAW POLLS
09/24/09 10:57:58 DONE AT NEIGHBOURHOOD
09/24/09 10:57:59 ASSOCIATIONS AND HAVE THEM VOTE
09/24/09 10:58:01 ON HOW THEY FEEL ABOUT THIS AND
09/24/09 10:58:03 LET US KNOW.
09/24/09 10:58:05 >> OKAY THAT WAS A MOTION I
09/24/09 10:58:09 GUESS WITH THE
09/24/09 10:58:10 MOTION, COUNCIL
09/24/09 10:58:13 WOMAN MULHERN, I GUESS MY
09/24/09 10:58:15 INTENT IS TO GET MORE
09/24/09 10:58:18 INFORMATION OR A STUDY,
09/24/09 10:58:19 WHAT
09/24/09 10:58:22 OPPORTUNITY
09/24/09 10:58:25 TO WE HAVE
09/24/09 10:58:28 OPPORTUNITY DO WE HAVE
09/24/09 10:58:29 TO GET
09/24/09 10:58:32 TAMPA BAY WATER OR SWIFT MUD TO
09/24/09 10:58:33 DO A STUDY.
09/24/09 10:58:35 WHAT I DON'T WANT IS WE HAVE
09/24/09 10:58:37 ADMINISTRATION HERE PUSHING --
09/24/09 10:58:38 TALKING ABOUT RECLAIM WHICH I
09/24/09 10:58:40 SUPPORT BUT I THINK WE SHOULD
09/24/09 10:58:43 HAVE LOOK AT THIS
09/24/09 10:58:45 ISSUE, RAISED
09/24/09 10:58:46 BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
09/24/09 10:58:48 FOLLOW WHAT I AM SAYING.
09/24/09 10:58:51 >> SWIFT
09/24/09 10:58:53 MUD.
09/24/09 10:58:55 >> OKAY.
09/24/09 10:58:55 YES.
09/24/09 10:58:58 >> OH.
09/24/09 10:58:59 >> COREY CUTLER SOUTHWEST BOARD
09/24/09 10:59:01 OF MANAGEMENT WATER DISTRICT.
09/24/09 10:59:03 WE DO HAVE SPECIFIC FUNDING
09/24/09 10:59:05 CYCLES FOR PROJECTS, THE CYCLE
09/24/09 10:59:07 CURRENTLY OPEN THE MONEY WOULD
09/24/09 10:59:10 NOT BE AVAILABLE UNTIL FISCAL
09/24/09 10:59:12 YEAR 2011 BUT YOU ALL HAVE HAD
09/24/09 10:59:13 A GOOD WORKING RELATIONSHIP
09/24/09 10:59:16 WITH THE DISTRICT I AM SURE
09/24/09 10:59:18 STAFF COULD SPEAK AND SEE IF
09/24/09 10:59:19 THERE ARE OTHER OPPORTUNITIES.
09/24/09 10:59:20 I DON'T KNOW IF THERE ARE BUT
09/24/09 10:59:23 WE HAVE A LOT
09/24/09 10:59:26 OF
09/24/09 10:59:27 RESEARCH
09/24/09 10:59:27 AVAILABLE.
09/24/09 10:59:28 >> OKAY.
09/24/09 10:59:29 SO ADD TO THE MOTION THAT SWIFT
09/24/09 10:59:32 MUD COULD MAKE A REPORT AT
09/24/09 10:59:32 THE
09/24/09 10:59:35 FEBRUARY 25th WORKSHOP AT 9:00
09/24/09 10:59:35 A.M.
09/24/09 10:59:38 >> BEFORE WE VOTE I WANT TO
09/24/09 10:59:41 TELL THE PUBLIC THERE IS A
09/24/09 10:59:43 WORLD OCEAN FEST OCTOBER 22 ND
09/24/09 10:59:45 THROUGH 25th AT US SOUTH I
09/24/09 10:59:48 BELIEVE AND ALSO A GLOBAL WATER
09/24/09 10:59:50 CRISIS SOLUTION ALSO AT
09/24/09 10:59:52 MARSHALL CENTER NOVEMBER 4th,
09/24/09 10:59:53 7:00 P.M.
09/24/09 10:59:56 THOSE INTERESTED IN WATER
09/24/09 10:59:57 SHOULD ATTEND.
09/24/09 10:59:59 >> SO THE MOTION WOULD INCLUDE
09/24/09 11:00:01 REQUEST SWIFT MUD TO APPEAR AND
09/24/09 11:00:04 MAKE A
09/24/09 11:00:07 PRESENTATION AS WELL ON
09/24/09 11:00:08 RECLAIMED, REUSE.
09/24/09 11:00:11 >> MAY I ADD TO THAT.
09/24/09 11:00:11 AMENDMENT.
09/24/09 11:00:13 >> WHY DON'T YOU MAKE THE
09/24/09 11:00:13 MOTION.
09/24/09 11:00:15 >> NO, YOUR MOTION IS FINE.
09/24/09 11:00:18 I AGREE WITH YOU
09/24/09 11:00:18 THAT
09/24/09 11:00:19 ADMINISTRATION AT THE SAME TIME
09/24/09 11:00:22 BRING ALL STUDIES TOGETHER
09/24/09 11:00:22 AND
09/24/09 11:00:24 HAVE A COMPOSITE OF THOSE
09/24/09 11:00:25 STUDIES WE SPENT MILLIONS OF
09/24/09 11:00:28 DOLLARS ON THAT WERE APPROVED
09/24/09 11:00:29 TO GO FORWARD, AM I CORRECT?
09/24/09 11:00:31 I DIDN'T HEAR YOU.
09/24/09 11:00:32 >> YES.
09/24/09 11:00:32 >> OKAY.
09/24/09 11:00:34 I DON'T HEAR TOO WELL BECAUSE I
09/24/09 11:00:36 SHAVE MY HEAD I HAVE A HEARING
09/24/09 11:00:37 PROBLEM.
09/24/09 11:00:39 BUT WHAT I AM SAYING IS THAT IT
09/24/09 11:00:42 IS INCOUPLE WANT I DON'T WANT
09/24/09 11:00:44 TO SPEND ANOTHER DIME IF I
09/24/09 11:00:44 DON'T HAVE TO.
09/24/09 11:00:47 I DON'T WANT
09/24/09 11:00:49 TO SPEND ANOTHER
09/24/09 11:00:52 RESTUDY OF THE RESTUDY DONE 14
09/24/09 11:00:53 YEARS AGO.
09/24/09 11:00:55 BRING IT, COMPILE IT.
09/24/09 11:00:55 BRING IT UP.
09/24/09 11:00:58 LET'S DECIDE WHAT WE HAVE TO
09/24/09 11:00:58 DO.
09/24/09 11:01:01 WE MAY HAVE TO TWEAK IT BUT
09/24/09 11:01:02 I
09/24/09 11:01:05 THINK IT IS COMPATIBLE.
09/24/09 11:01:06 I WANT TO COMMEND THE COUNCIL
09/24/09 11:01:07 THIS IS WHAT THE CITY WILL BE
09/24/09 11:01:10 BASED ON FOR YEARS TO
09/24/09 11:01:11 COME.
09/24/09 11:01:12 THANK YOU.
09/24/09 11:01:15 >> SO WE ARE ADDING THAT WE
09/24/09 11:01:18 WILL HAVE A REPORT FROM
09/24/09 11:01:19 STAFF
09/24/09 11:01:22 ON COMPOSITE OR --OF THE
09/24/09 11:01:25 STUDIES ON THE
09/24/09 11:01:28 SUBJECT OF REUSE
09/24/09 11:01:28 OR RECLAIMED.
09/24/09 11:01:29 >> DONE YEARS AGO
09/24/09 11:01:32 >> ANY STUDIES DONE
09/24/09 11:01:33 AS OPPOSED
09/24/09 11:01:34 TO THE PLAN.
09/24/09 11:01:36 WE WANT TO HEAR ABOUT THE
09/24/09 11:01:38 STUDIES P. THAT SWIFT MUD
09/24/09 11:01:41 REPRESENTATIVE WILL COME AND
09/24/09 11:01:43 BRIEF US AND BE ABLE TO
09/24/09 11:01:44 CONTRIBUTE.
09/24/09 11:01:45 >> WE HAVE EXTENDED AN
09/24/09 11:01:46 INVITATION TO THEM.
09/24/09 11:01:48 >> MAKE A PRESENTATION ON IT.
09/24/09 11:01:50 >> THIS IS FEBRUARY 25th.
09/24/09 11:01:53 >> FEBRUARY 25th.
09/24/09 11:01:55 >> WORKSHOP PRESENTATION FROM
09/24/09 11:01:56 SWIFT MUD.
09/24/09 11:01:59 WE ARE INVITING SWIFT
09/24/09 11:02:03 MUD TO
09/24/09 11:02:03 PRESENT.
09/24/09 11:02:04 >> NO.
09/24/09 11:02:05 >> 9:00.
09/24/09 11:02:05 >> 9:00.
09/24/09 11:02:07 >> AND WE WILL SET ASIDE A 2
09/24/09 11:02:10 HOUR BLOCK OF TIME.
09/24/09 11:02:11 >> 9-11 CHEF.
09/24/09 11:02:13 >> I WOULD SUGGEST YOU DON'T
09/24/09 11:02:14 HAVE ANY OTHER WORKSHOP THAT
09/24/09 11:02:15 DAY.
09/24/09 11:02:16 THIS WILL BE THE ONLY ONE.
09/24/09 11:02:19 I WOULD SUGGEST THIS BE THE
09/24/09 11:02:21 ONLY WORKSHOP THAT WAY WE GIVE
09/24/09 11:02:22 US ENOUGH TIME PRESENTATION
09/24/09 11:02:24 STAFF FOR SWIFT MUD TO BE HERE
09/24/09 11:02:26 AND ASK QUESTIONS AND PUBLIC TO
09/24/09 11:02:29 BE ABLE TO RAISE --COME FORTH
09/24/09 11:02:30 AND SPEAK.
09/24/09 11:02:30 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
09/24/09 11:02:31 >> THANK YOU.
09/24/09 11:02:32 I THINK YOU CAN SUGAR COAT IT
09/24/09 11:02:34 ALL YOU WANT BUT AT THE END OF
09/24/09 11:02:36 THE DAY IT IS TOILET TO TAP.
09/24/09 11:02:38 THE BOTTOM LINE ON THIS IS THAT
09/24/09 11:02:41 THIS IS NOT --OKAY WE ARE
09/24/09 11:02:42 TALKING ABOUT PUTTING THE
09/24/09 11:02:44 WATER, TAKING IT OUT OF OUR
09/24/09 11:02:45 SEWER WATER TREATMENT PLANT,
09/24/09 11:02:48 PUTTING IT UP IN OUR BYPASS
09/24/09 11:02:50 CANAL AND IN OUR RESERVOIR,
09/24/09 11:02:52 DRINKING RESERVOIR.
09/24/09 11:02:54 THOSE ARE RELATIVELY SMALL
09/24/09 11:02:55 BODIES OF WATER.
09/24/09 11:02:58 THESE ARE NOT THE MISSISSIPPI
09/24/09 11:03:00 RIVER, NOT TAMPA BAY.
09/24/09 11:03:02 TAMPA BAYOU HAVE A DILUTION
09/24/09 11:03:05 FACTOR OF TRILLIONS OF
09/24/09 11:03:07 GALLONS.
09/24/09 11:03:09 MISSISSIPPI RIVER TRILLIONS
09/24/09 11:03:10 OVOIDAL GALLONS OF WATER.
09/24/09 11:03:12 IF YOU DRIVE OVER AND LOOK AT
09/24/09 11:03:15 OUR CANAL AND RESERVOIR YOU ARE
09/24/09 11:03:17 NOT TALKING ABOUT THAT MUCH OF
09/24/09 11:03:18 IT.
09/24/09 11:03:20 IF WE SUCK WATER OUT OF THERE
09/24/09 11:03:23 YOU CAN SEE IT GOING
09/24/09 11:03:24 UP AND
09/24/09 11:03:25 DOWN.
09/24/09 11:03:27 DILUTION FACTOR TO ME HAS
09/24/09 11:03:27 IMPACT.
09/24/09 11:03:30 WE HAVE HEARD WORDS ABOUT
09/24/09 11:03:32 PESTICIDES, HORMONES, INDOE
09/24/09 11:03:32 CENTS, CHEMICALS.
09/24/09 11:03:34 THE LONGER WE LIVE THE MORE WE
09/24/09 11:03:35 KNOW AND WE ARE NOT TAKING
09/24/09 11:03:37 THESE OUT OF OUR WATER.
09/24/09 11:03:39 IF WE PUT IT OUT IN THE BAY IT
09/24/09 11:03:41 IS GETTING DILUTED
09/24/09 11:03:41 TREMENDOUSLY.
09/24/09 11:03:43 TAMPA BAY WATER IS PULLING IT
09/24/09 11:03:46 OUT OF THE BAY, ABOUT
09/24/09 11:03:47 10 MILES
09/24/09 11:03:49 AWAY FROM OUR AFFLUENT SPOT AND
09/24/09 11:03:52 TREATING IT OVER THERE AT
09/24/09 11:03:54 A
09/24/09 11:03:55 HIGH LEVEL.
09/24/09 11:03:58 THAT IS FINE THAT IS A WHOLE
09/24/09 11:03:58 DIFFERENT BALL GAME.
09/24/09 11:04:01 I AM MORE FOR ALL INFORMATION.
09/24/09 11:04:03 I ASK FOR STUDIES, REPORTS.
09/24/09 11:04:06 I WILL SUPPORT THE
09/24/09 11:04:06 MOTION.
09/24/09 11:04:07 LET'S KEEP TALKING ABOUT THIS
09/24/09 11:04:09 BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY WE
09/24/09 11:04:12 NEED MEDICAL PEOPLE HERE, OKAY
09/24/09 11:04:13 WE NEED BIOLOGISTS.
09/24/09 11:04:16 I HAVE ALL DUE RESPECT FOR
09/24/09 11:04:19 THESE WATER ENGINEERS AND
09/24/09 11:04:19 MR.
09/24/09 11:04:22 DAGNAL WHO IS AN ENGINEER BUT
09/24/09 11:04:24 SOME OF THESE ISSUES ARE
09/24/09 11:04:25 MEDICAL, HEALTH RELATED.
09/24/09 11:04:26 WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, LET'S
09/24/09 11:04:29 THING OUT OF THE BOX AND
09/24/09 11:04:29 TAKE
09/24/09 11:04:31 RISKS.
09/24/09 11:04:34 WE CAN'T TAKE RISKS
09/24/09 11:04:34 WITH HEALTH
09/24/09 11:04:35 ISSUES.
09/24/09 11:04:36 LET'S LOOK AT THE FACT THAT ONE
09/24/09 11:04:39 YEAR AGO OR TWO YEARS AGO,
09/24/09 11:04:41 LINDA, SWIFT MUD AND THIS
09/24/09 11:04:43 COMMUNITY REJECTED NOTION OF
09/24/09 11:04:45 PUTTING THIS WATER AT THE
09/24/09 11:04:47 BOTTOM OF THE DAM BECAUSE OF
09/24/09 11:04:48 THE CRITTERS.
09/24/09 11:04:50 NOT EVEN THESE BIG CRITTERS.
09/24/09 11:04:51 >> THERE IS A DIFFERENCE
09/24/09 11:04:54 EVERYTHING THAT WAS SAID THE
09/24/09 11:04:57 WATER WAS GOING INTO THE
09/24/09 11:04:58 DAM
09/24/09 11:05:01 WAS RECLAIMED NEVER THROUGH RO
09/24/09 11:05:02 AND UV RAYS.
09/24/09 11:05:03 LET ME SAY THAT.
09/24/09 11:05:05 LET'S NOT CON HAVE A LEWD THE
09/24/09 11:05:06 THING.
09/24/09 11:05:09 I HAVE NO
09/24/09 11:05:14 --CON I HAVE LEWD
09/24/09 11:05:15 THE THING.
09/24/09 11:05:17 I HAVE NO DESIRE TO SEEK OFFICE
09/24/09 11:05:20 AGAIN UH I HAVE A DESIRE TO
09/24/09 11:05:21 TELL THE PUBLIC THE FACTS.
09/24/09 11:05:24 I DON'T KNOW OF ONE INDIVIDUAL
09/24/09 11:05:27 IN THIS COUNTRY WHO HAS
09/24/09 11:05:27 DIED
09/24/09 11:05:30 FROM WHAT IS SAID THIS IS YOUR
09/24/09 11:05:31 RIVER WATER.
09/24/09 11:05:34 TAKE A GOOD LOOK
09/24/09 11:05:40 AT IT.
09/24/09 11:05:43 THIS HAS
09/24/09 11:05:44 BIRD DROPPING,
09/24/09 11:05:46 ALLIGATOR SCALES, HUMAN FEE IS
09/24/09 11:05:49 HES, WASTE WATER, DUMP WATER,
09/24/09 11:05:50 TIRES, TRANSMISSIONS, WHOLE
09/24/09 11:05:52 CARS, BOATS THAT HAVE SUNK.
09/24/09 11:05:54 OIL THAT --MAYBE BODIES, YOU
09/24/09 11:05:55 ARE RIGHT.
09/24/09 11:05:58 SO I AM SAYING THIS IS WHAT YOU
09/24/09 11:05:59 ARE DRINKING NOW.
09/24/09 11:06:01 NOT WHAT IT COMES OUT BECAUSE
09/24/09 11:06:04 THIS CITY HAS A FANTASTIC WATER
09/24/09 11:06:06 DEPARTMENT THAT GIVES YOU THE
09/24/09 11:06:08 BEST WATER QUALITY FOR THE
09/24/09 11:06:09 BUCK.
09/24/09 11:06:10 >> OKAY MR. MIRANDA.
09/24/09 11:06:10 >> THANK YOU
09/24/09 11:06:13 >> YOU DON'T CONVINCE ME.
09/24/09 11:06:15 >> HE GAVE YOU SOME HEADLINES.
09/24/09 11:06:16 >> WE NEED TO VOTE.
09/24/09 11:06:19 WHEN I TALK ABOUT TAKING RISKS
09/24/09 11:06:22 NOT RISKS WITH HEALTH BUT OUT
09/24/09 11:06:23 OF THE BOX.
09/24/09 11:06:24 GOING BEYOND AND GOING OUTSIDE
09/24/09 11:06:27 THE BOX SO THAT YOU CAN
09/24/09 11:06:29 DO A
09/24/09 11:06:30 STUDY.
09/24/09 11:06:31 WE ALL KNOW WHERE WE SIT TODAY
09/24/09 11:06:34 WE ALWAYS WANT MORE
09/24/09 11:06:35 INFORMATION.
09/24/09 11:06:36 MORE STUDIES.
09/24/09 11:06:39 I HAVE BEEN A LONG TIME AROUND.
09/24/09 11:06:41 WE FIND OUT WHAT IS THE COST.
09/24/09 11:06:42 HEALTH RISK.
09/24/09 11:06:44 I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IS
09/24/09 11:06:44 CLEAR.
09/24/09 11:06:47 MY WORDS ARE NOT TAKEN OUT OF
09/24/09 11:06:47 CONTEXT.
09/24/09 11:06:48 OKAY.
09/24/09 11:06:50 THERE IS A MOTION ON THE FLOOR
09/24/09 11:06:51 ALL IN FAVOUR SAY AYE.
09/24/09 11:06:52 >> AYE
09/24/09 11:06:53 >> OPPOSERS.
09/24/09 11:06:54 >> OKAY.
09/24/09 11:06:55 SO THEN ON FEBRUARY 25th, THAT
09/24/09 11:06:58 MEAN WE HAVE ONLY ONE WORKSHOP.
09/24/09 11:06:58 OKAY.
09/24/09 11:06:59 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09/24/09 11:07:02 COUNCIL WE ARE KIND OF IN A
09/24/09 11:07:02 DILEMMA.
09/24/09 11:07:03 WE HAVE ONE, TWO, THREE MORE
09/24/09 11:07:07 WORKSHOP AND NOT GOING
09/24/09 11:07:10 TO
09/24/09 11:07:11 GET
09/24/09 11:07:11 THROUGH THEM.
09/24/09 11:07:12 >> MR. CHAIRMAN.
09/24/09 11:07:15 NUMBER 8 TO DISCUSS
09/24/09 11:07:17 THE DRAFT
09/24/09 11:07:20 TRANSPORTATION MANUAL I
09/24/09 11:07:21 HAVE
09/24/09 11:07:21 HAD.
09/24/09 11:07:23 >> Announcer: POOR TUNETY TO
09/24/09 11:07:25 TALK WITH STAFFd TO TALK WITH
09/24/09 11:07:26 STAFF IT IS STRAIGHT AHEAD.
09/24/09 11:07:28 WE JUST NEED TO HEAR FROM JULIA
09/24/09 11:07:29 COAL
09/24/09 11:07:32 >> I SUBMITTED TO CITY COUNCIL
09/24/09 11:07:35 COPY
09/24/09 11:07:36 OF TRANSPORTATION
09/24/09 11:07:39 TECHNICAL MANUAL AND A
09/24/09 11:07:39 COUPLE
09/24/09 11:07:40 NUMBERING CHANGES.
09/24/09 11:07:41 THE WHOLE POINT WAS DISCUSS
09/24/09 11:07:42 WHAT WE HAD BEEN DOING WITH IT.
09/24/09 11:07:45 I THINK IT IS CLEAR WE HAVE
09/24/09 11:07:46 DELINEATED IT DOWN.
09/24/09 11:07:48 I WOULD BE HAPPY TO BRING THAT
09/24/09 11:07:50 BACK TO YOU FOR AN ORDINANCE IN
09/24/09 11:07:51 THE FUTURE SO THAT COMING UP
09/24/09 11:07:53 HERE IN THE NEXT COUPLE MONTHS
09/24/09 11:07:55 SO WE CAN GO AHEAD, MOVE
09/24/09 11:07:57 FORWARD WITH THAT AND THEN MOVE
09/24/09 11:07:59 FORWARD WITH SOME OTHER CHANGES
09/24/09 11:08:01 WE WILL NEED TO MAKE.
09/24/09 11:08:03 >> THANK YOU.
09/24/09 11:08:04 DON'T LEAVE.
09/24/09 11:08:05 >> OKAY.
09/24/09 11:08:06 >> THIS IS THE DEAL THEY HAVE
09/24/09 11:08:08 GOTTEN RID OF EXTRANEOUS THINGS
09/24/09 11:08:11 NOT REALLY SPECIFICALLY
09/24/09 11:08:12 TECHNICAL STANDARDS AND THEY
09/24/09 11:08:15 ARE SOMEWHERE ELSE IN OUR
09/24/09 11:08:18 ORDINANTS.
09/24/09 11:08:21 THIS IS JUST A CRISP
09/24/09 11:08:21 CLEAR,
09/24/09 11:08:23 PAIRED DOWN STANDARD AND WHAT
09/24/09 11:08:25 IS PROPOSED IS OPPORTUNITY IF
09/24/09 11:08:26 SOMEONE HAS A QUESTION ABOUT IT
09/24/09 11:08:29 SET UP A PROCESS TO DISCUSS IT.
09/24/09 11:08:31 I WANT TO MOVE THIS ALONG.
09/24/09 11:08:32 IT HAS TAKEN FOREVER.
09/24/09 11:08:35 YOU HAD A BABY IN THE INTER RIM
09/24/09 11:08:37 WHICH IS PROBABLY NOW TODDLING.
09/24/09 11:08:39 WHAT CAN WE DO TO MOVE THIS
09/24/09 11:08:39 ALONG
09/24/09 11:08:43 >> BRING IT FORWARD AS
09/24/09 11:08:43 AN
09/24/09 11:08:45 ORDINANCE TO GO ALONG WITH THIS
09/24/09 11:08:46 TO ALLOW OPPORTUNITY IF THERE
09/24/09 11:08:49 IS A NECESSITY TO CHANGE A
09/24/09 11:08:50 MINIMUM TECHNICAL STANDARD THAT
09/24/09 11:08:53 WE HAVE THE PROPER ENGINEERING
09/24/09 11:08:55 DETERMINATION TO DO THAT AND
09/24/09 11:08:57 THIS WILL FREE US UP THROUGH
09/24/09 11:08:58 OUR REZONING PROCESS.
09/24/09 11:09:00 >> HOW QUICKLY CAN YOU GET IT
09/24/09 11:09:01 BACK TO US?
09/24/09 11:09:03 >> NOVEMBER 12th.
09/24/09 11:09:04 >> GREAT.
09/24/09 11:09:07 >>
09/24/09 11:09:10 COUNCILMEMBER MULL
09/24/09 11:09:11 COUNCILMEMBER MULHERN.
09/24/09 11:09:13 >> I HAVEN'T LOOKED AT IT BUT I
09/24/09 11:09:15 WANT TO MEET WITH YOU AND.
09/24/09 11:09:18 >> IN THE MEANTIME WHY DON'T
09/24/09 11:09:19 I
09/24/09 11:09:19 SCHEDULE MEETINGS.
09/24/09 11:09:20 >>>I WILL SECOND THAT.
09/24/09 11:09:22 >> LET ME HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC
09/24/09 11:09:24 AND THOSE THAT WANT TO SPEAK ON
09/24/09 11:09:27 THIS BEFORE
09/24/09 11:09:30 WE MOVE
09/24/09 11:09:30 IT.
09/24/09 11:09:32 >>> GOOD MORNING COUNCIL I KNOW
09/24/09 11:09:33 YOU HAVE AN INTEREST MOVE FOG
09/24/09 11:09:34 WARD QUICKLY.
09/24/09 11:09:35 THERE ARE A LOT OF PROVISIONS
09/24/09 11:09:38 IN HERE THAT HAVE BEEN
09/24/09 11:09:39 DISCUSSED BEFORE, REGARDING
09/24/09 11:09:40 COUNCIL TAKING A MORE ACTIVE
09/24/09 11:09:43 ROLE AND YOUR ALTERNATIVE
09/24/09 11:09:43 PROCESS.
09/24/09 11:09:45 LINDA YOU MAY RECALL THIS GOES
09/24/09 11:09:47 BACK MANY YEARS WHERE COUNCIL
09/24/09 11:09:48 AT ONE POINT SAID THEY WANTED
09/24/09 11:09:51 CONTROL OVER THE
09/24/09 11:09:51 ENGINEERS
09/24/09 11:09:52 RECOMMENDATIONS.
09/24/09 11:09:53 INSTEAD OF STAFF COMING UP AND
09/24/09 11:09:55 TELLING YOU WELL, THAT IS A
09/24/09 11:09:56 TECHNICAL STANDARD YOU HAVE NO
09/24/09 11:09:57 POWER AND AUTHORITY OVER THAT.
09/24/09 11:10:01 I WOULD URGE YOU TO LOOK AT
09/24/09 11:10:03 THAT PROVISION BECAUSE IN
09/24/09 11:10:05 PARTICULAR COUNCIL ALTHOUGH YOU
09/24/09 11:10:08 ALL ARE
09/24/09 11:10:09 NOT ENGINEERS YOU HAVE
09/24/09 11:10:10 GOOD SENSE AND I WOULD URGE YOU
09/24/09 11:10:13 TO BUILD IN A PROCESS WHERE THE
09/24/09 11:10:16 CITY COUNCIL HAS MORE AUTHORITY
09/24/09 11:10:16 OVER TECHNICAL STANDARDS.
09/24/09 11:10:19 THIS IS A FAIRLY LENGTHY
09/24/09 11:10:21 DOCUMENT I WENT THROUGH OVER
09/24/09 11:10:23 THE LAST DAY OR SO AND I LOOK
09/24/09 11:10:25 FORWARD TO MEETING WITH JULIA
09/24/09 11:10:27 AND GOING THROUGH ALTERNATE
09/24/09 11:10:28 DESIGN STANDARDS AND HOPEFULLY
09/24/09 11:10:32 BE ABLE TO RECOGNIZE ISSUES
09/24/09 11:10:34 LIKE PARKING AND BACKING IN ON
09/24/09 11:10:35 THE RIGHT AWAY.
09/24/09 11:10:37 TRANSPORTATION HAS BEEN SO FOND
09/24/09 11:10:39 OF REMOVING IN BUILT UP AREAS,
09/24/09 11:10:42 WHICH END UP BEING A
09/24/09 11:10:42 HARDSHIP
09/24/09 11:10:43 FOR EXISTING BUSINESSES.
09/24/09 11:10:45 THEY HAVE NO PLACE TO GO EXCEPT
09/24/09 11:10:48 TEAR DOWN BUILDINGS BEHIND
09/24/09 11:10:49 AND
09/24/09 11:10:49 ENENCROACH INTO NEIGHBOURHOODS
09/24/09 11:10:52 WHICH WE ARE TRYING TO STOP
09/24/09 11:10:52 THAT FROM HAPPENING.
09/24/09 11:10:54 WHEN YOU PRO PECK PARKING IN
09/24/09 11:10:55 THE RIGHT-OF-WAY YOU ALSO
09/24/09 11:10:57 PROTECT FAY BOARS THAT LIVE
09/24/09 11:10:59 DIRECTLY BEHIND THOSE --
09/24/09 11:11:00 NEIGHBORS THAT LIVE DIRECTLY
09/24/09 11:11:01 BEHIND THOSE OLD BIDSES.
09/24/09 11:11:03 THERE ARE A FEW ISSUES BUT I
09/24/09 11:11:05 LOOK FORWARD THE WORKING WITH
09/24/09 11:11:07 CITY STAFF AND REFINING THAT
09/24/09 11:11:09 AND COMING BACK WITH GOOD
09/24/09 11:11:10 RECOMMENDATIONS.
09/24/09 11:11:10 THANK YOU.
09/24/09 11:11:14 >> THANK YOU,
09/24/09 11:11:15 SIR.
09/24/09 11:11:16 >> 213 CHARLES.
09/24/09 11:11:18 THE DECKMENT HAS BEEN REDUCED
09/24/09 11:11:21 --DOCUMENT HAS BEEN REDUCED TO
09/24/09 11:11:21 13 PAGES.
09/24/09 11:11:23 WE TOO TRIED TO READ IT AND IT
09/24/09 11:11:25 WAS VERY LONG, COULDN'T
09/24/09 11:11:26 UNDERSTAND IT.
09/24/09 11:11:28 SO THEY HAVE AGREED TO SIT DOWN
09/24/09 11:11:29 WITH US WITH THE NEW DOCUMENT
09/24/09 11:11:31 AND MAKE SURE WE ALL AGREE SO
09/24/09 11:11:34 WE CAN COME TO THE NOVEMBER
09/24/09 11:11:34 HEARING.
09/24/09 11:11:35 THANK YOU.
09/24/09 11:11:36 >> THANK YOU.
09/24/09 11:11:39 COUNCILMAN --MARTY.
09/24/09 11:11:39 SHELLY.
09/24/09 11:11:41 >> JUST CLARIFICATION, NOVEMBER
09/24/09 11:11:43 12th IS A WORKSHOP DAY.
09/24/09 11:11:44 SIT YOUR INTENTION TO BRING IT
09/24/09 11:11:46 BACK ON A WORKSHOP DAY
09/24/09 11:11:49 >> I APOLOGIZE I WAS THINKING
09/24/09 11:11:49 IN THE EVENING.
09/24/09 11:11:52 WE HAVE ANOTHER CHAPTER 22
09/24/09 11:11:54 AMENDMENT --WE ARE DOING AN
09/24/09 11:11:57 AMENDMENT ON THE NOVEMBER 12th
09/24/09 11:11:58 MEETING.
09/24/09 11:11:58 >> SO 5:30 P.M.
09/24/09 11:11:59 ON THAT DAY.
09/24/09 11:12:01 >> THAT WOULD BE FINE.
09/24/09 11:12:03 REALLY I WOULD JUST BE
09/24/09 11:12:06 PROCESSING THAT FOR THAT DATE
09/24/09 11:12:08 SO JUST FOR EVERYBODY'S
09/24/09 11:12:09 INFORMATION.
09/24/09 11:12:10 IF SOME BODY FEELS THAT IS NOT
09/24/09 11:12:13 ENOUGH TIME WE CAN PUT IT ON
09/24/09 11:12:14 ANOTHER DATE BUT JUST USE THAT
09/24/09 11:12:17 AS THE DATE WE ARE PUTTING
09/24/09 11:12:17 IT
09/24/09 11:12:18 FORWARD.
09/24/09 11:12:20 >> THIS DOES REQUIRE ACTION OF
09/24/09 11:12:20 COUNCIL.
09/24/09 11:12:23 >> EVENING NOVEMBER 12th, WHAT
09/24/09 11:12:24 TIME JULIA?
09/24/09 11:12:25 >> 5:30 P.M.
09/24/09 11:12:25 >> OKAY.
09/24/09 11:12:28 >> IF YOU WISH TO DO IT
09/24/09 11:12:28 BY
09/24/09 11:12:29 MOTION.
09/24/09 11:12:30 >> MOTION.
09/24/09 11:12:32 >> ALL RIGHT.
09/24/09 11:12:35 >> SPENCER WITH JUNIOR PARK
09/24/09 11:12:35 NEIGHBOURHOOD ASSOCIATION.
09/24/09 11:12:38 WE READ THROUGH THE
09/24/09 11:12:39 MANUAL.
09/24/09 11:12:42 WE ARE
09/24/09 11:12:44 RELYING ON THIS IN THAT
09/24/09 11:12:47 MANUAL THE CITY WILL WORK WITH
09/24/09 11:12:49 PEOPLE'S PROPOSALS IF THEY HAVE
09/24/09 11:12:50 IT THAT STILL MEET SAFETY.
09/24/09 11:12:52 WE DO WANT TO SEE IN THE
09/24/09 11:12:55 FEATURE FOR EXAMPLE THAT YOU
09/24/09 11:12:58 CAN USE MORE PERVIOUS MATERIAL
09/24/09 11:13:01 WHEN YOU BUILD
09/24/09 11:13:02 A PARKING LOT.
09/24/09 11:13:03 WE THINK THAT IS IMPORTANT.
09/24/09 11:13:05 I HAVE BEEN AS SURED BY
09/24/09 11:13:07 TRANSPORTATION THEY WILL WORK
09/24/09 11:13:08 WITH PROPERTY OWNBUSINESSES ON
09/24/09 11:13:09 THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
09/24/09 11:13:11 WE ALSO NEED TO ADDRESS THE
09/24/09 11:13:13 ISSUE OF SIDEWALKS AND CITY OF
09/24/09 11:13:15 TAMPA AND HOW WE ARE DEALING
09/24/09 11:13:15 WITH THOSE.
09/24/09 11:13:18 I JUST WANT TO BRING IT TO
09/24/09 11:13:19 YOUR
09/24/09 11:13:19 ATTENTION.
09/24/09 11:13:20 >> THANK YOU.
09/24/09 11:13:22 THERE IS A MOTION.
09/24/09 11:13:23 >> TO ASK LEGAL TO BRING THIS
09/24/09 11:13:25 BACK TO US ON THE EVENING OF.
09/24/09 11:13:27 >> NOVEMBER 12th.
09/24/09 11:13:28 >> 5:30 P.M.
09/24/09 11:13:29 >> OKAY MOVE AND SECOND ALL IN
09/24/09 11:13:30 FAVOUR AAYE
09/24/09 11:13:33 >> AYE.
09/24/09 11:13:33 >> OPPOSERS.
09/24/09 11:13:34 >> MR. CHAIRMAN TO --IN ORDER
09/24/09 11:13:38 TO MAKE SURE THAT THE STAFF
09/24/09 11:13:38 HAS
09/24/09 11:13:40 AN OPPORTUNITY TO CHAT WITH
09/24/09 11:13:43 EVERYBODY THIS IS A
09/24/09 11:13:46 QUESTION
09/24/09 11:13:47 FOR FELLOW DOWN MEMBERS, I
09/24/09 11:13:50 WOULD --COUNCILMEMBERS
09/24/09 11:13:50 I
09/24/09 11:13:53 WOULD BE HAPPY TO SUGGEST A
09/24/09 11:13:54 SPECIAL COUNCIL MEETING.
09/24/09 11:13:55 >> WHAT IS THIS FOR?
09/24/09 11:13:57 >> THIS IN CASE THEY DON'T WANT
09/24/09 11:14:00 TO HAVE ALL THESE OTHER SEPP
09/24/09 11:14:00 WAIT MEETINGS.
09/24/09 11:14:02 --SEPARATE MEETINGS.
09/24/09 11:14:03 MAYBE THEY ARE PLANNING ON
09/24/09 11:14:06 HAVING THESE ANY WAY.
09/24/09 11:14:09 >> KATHRYN COIL IN
09/24/09 11:14:09 DEVELOPMENT.
09/24/09 11:14:12 I JUST SAID I HAVE THE JULY
09/24/09 11:14:13 CYCLE COMING UP.
09/24/09 11:14:15 I JUST SET AN EVENING TEXT
09/24/09 11:14:18 AMENDMENT WORKSHOP I
09/24/09 11:14:19 USUALLY
09/24/09 11:14:19 HOLD EACH CYCLE.
09/24/09 11:14:21 I BELIEVE IT IS OCTOBER 21st.
09/24/09 11:14:23 WE COULD HAVE THE LANGUAGE
09/24/09 11:14:24 READY SINCE EVERYONE WILL BE
09/24/09 11:14:26 HERE ANY WAY JUST TO DIS'CAUSE.
09/24/09 11:14:29 I HAVE A LARGE DATA BASE OF E-
09/24/09 11:14:30 MAIL I SEND IT OUT WITH.
09/24/09 11:14:33 WE WILL SHOOT FOR HAVING IT
09/24/09 11:14:36 THAT SAME NIGHT.
09/24/09 11:14:37 >> THANK YOU PGH
09/24/09 11:14:38 >> THANK YOU.
09/24/09 11:14:41 >> LET'S MOVE --TIME IS
09/24/09 11:14:43 RUNNING OUT SO IF WE HAVE A
09/24/09 11:14:44 LONG EVENING MEETING.
09/24/09 11:14:45 WELL, IT ALL DEPENDS.
09/24/09 11:14:48 WE HAVE A LOT OF ITEMS BUT ANY
09/24/09 11:14:51 WAY OUR NEXT WORKSHOP IS
09/24/09 11:14:54 ON
09/24/09 11:14:58 THE
09/24/09 11:15:00 IMPACT FEE HOW MUCH TIME DO WE
09/24/09 11:15:01 NEED ON THIS?
09/24/09 11:15:03 LAST TIME WE ALLOCATED AN HOUR.
09/24/09 11:15:06 I WANT TO GET TO
09/24/09 11:15:09 NUMBER 10.
09/24/09 11:15:11 >> COUNCILMEMBER WE CAN BE DONE
09/24/09 11:15:11 WITH THIS QUICKLY.
09/24/09 11:15:14 WE ARE NOT MAKING MOTIONS OR
09/24/09 11:15:15 SUGGESTIONS WE WOULD JUST LIKE
09/24/09 11:15:16 TO BRIEFLY SHOW YOU WHAT IS
09/24/09 11:15:19 HERE AND IF THERE IS MORE
09/24/09 11:15:19 INTEREST.
09/24/09 11:15:20 >> OKAY.
09/24/09 11:15:21 >> WOULD THAT BE ALL RIGHT?
09/24/09 11:15:22 >> YES.
09/24/09 11:15:22 >> THANK YOU.
09/24/09 11:15:26 WE WOULD LIKE TO
09/24/09 11:15:26 JUST PRESENT
09/24/09 11:15:27 THIS TRANSPORTATION IMPACT FEE
09/24/09 11:15:28 STUDY.
09/24/09 11:15:31 WE HAVE DONE THIS OVER THE
09/24/09 11:15:33 LAST
09/24/09 11:15:36 YEAR
09/24/09 11:15:36 OR SO.
09/24/09 11:15:39 THIS HAS BEEN VALUABLE
09/24/09 11:15:39 INFORMATION.
09/24/09 11:15:42 THE RESULT OF THIS HAS BEEN
09/24/09 11:15:44 USED IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
09/24/09 11:15:47 USED IN OUR
09/24/09 11:15:49 LONG RANGE
09/24/09 11:15:50 TRANSPORTATION PLAN.
09/24/09 11:15:52 I WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR WE ARE
09/24/09 11:15:53 NOT RECOMMENDING ANY CHANGES IN
09/24/09 11:15:55 OUR FEES OR DISTRICTS.
09/24/09 11:15:56 WE CURRENTLY HAVE SIX
09/24/09 11:15:57 DISTRICTS.
09/24/09 11:15:59 WE WOULD VERY MUCH LIKE YOU TO
09/24/09 11:16:01 SEE THE STUDIES, INFORMATION,
09/24/09 11:16:02 TYPE OF INFORMATION THAT CAME
09/24/09 11:16:04 OUT OF THE STUDY.
09/24/09 11:16:07 AGAIN, IT HAS BEEN
09/24/09 11:16:09 VERY VERY
09/24/09 11:16:11 USEFUL FOR US.
09/24/09 11:16:14 WE HAVE, MR. BOB WALLACE HERE
09/24/09 11:16:15 WHO WAS FORMERLY WITH THE CITY
09/24/09 11:16:17 TO MAKE THAT PRESENTATION.
09/24/09 11:16:19 AFTERWARDS WE WILL BE GLAD TO
09/24/09 11:16:22 ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU
09/24/09 11:16:24 MAY
09/24/09 11:16:25 HAVE.
09/24/09 11:16:28 >>
09/24/09 11:16:31 THANK YOU.
09/24/09 11:16:34 >> PLEASURE TO BE
09/24/09 11:16:35 BEFORE YOU
09/24/09 11:16:38 TODAY AND TO COME BACK WHERE
09/24/09 11:16:39 I
09/24/09 11:16:41 SPENT MY LAST 34 YEARS --
09/24/09 11:16:44 STARTED MY 34 YEARS OF MY
09/24/09 11:16:44 CAREER.
09/24/09 11:16:45 >> THANK YOU.
09/24/09 11:16:46 >> WELCOME BACK.
09/24/09 11:16:47 >> YOU ARE LOOKING AT IT
09/24/09 11:16:47 >>
09/24/09 11:16:50 STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE
09/24/09 11:16:51 RECORD.
09/24/09 11:16:54 >> BOB WALLACE WITH TINDALE
09/24/09 11:16:54 OLIVER AND ASSOCIATES.
09/24/09 11:16:57 I AM IN ORLANDO
09/24/09 11:16:58 NOW, WINTER
09/24/09 11:16:59 PARK.
09/24/09 11:17:02 VERY BRIEF SINCE I KNOW YOU
09/24/09 11:17:04 HAVE SAT THROUGH MUCH
09/24/09 11:17:05 DISCUSSIONS ON RECLAIMED WATER
09/24/09 11:17:06 AND SOME OTHER HOT TOPICS.
09/24/09 11:17:09 THIS IS JUST
09/24/09 11:17:11 FOR INFORMATIONAL
09/24/09 11:17:12 PURPOSES AS STEVE MENTIONED.
09/24/09 11:17:14 I WILL COVER THESE FOUR TOPICS.
09/24/09 11:17:17 I WAS THE PUBLIC WORKS
09/24/09 11:17:17 DIRECTOR
09/24/09 11:17:19 WHEN THIS TRANSPORTATION IMPACT
09/24/09 11:17:22 FEE WAS IMPLEMENTED
09/24/09 11:17:22 IN 1986.
09/24/09 11:17:23 WE UPDATED 1989.
09/24/09 11:17:25 HAVEN'T TOUCHED IT FOR 20
09/24/09 11:17:25 YEARS.
09/24/09 11:17:28 THIS IS THE FIRST
09/24/09 11:17:29 OFFICIAL
09/24/09 11:17:31 UPDATE MADE ON THIS.
09/24/09 11:17:32 AS STEVE POINTED OUT THERE ARE
09/24/09 11:17:34 SIX IMPACT FEE DISTRICTS,
09/24/09 11:17:37 REMAINING IN THE SAME AS THEY
09/24/09 11:17:40 WERE BACK IN 1986 AND
09/24/09 11:17:41 1989
09/24/09 11:17:41 STUDY.
09/24/09 11:17:43 WHAT DRIVES GROWTH IS
09/24/09 11:17:46 POPULATION AND EMPLOYMENT, THIS
09/24/09 11:17:48 PARTICULAR GRAPH SHOWS THE
09/24/09 11:17:51 SOURCES OF THE POPULATION AND
09/24/09 11:17:53 EMPLOYMENT, TOP GRAPH IN YELLOW
09/24/09 11:17:56 SHOWS US THE MPOs LONG
09/24/09 11:17:57 RANGE
09/24/09 11:17:58 TRANSPORTATION PLAN.
09/24/09 11:17:59 THOSE PROJECTIONS DONE IN 2004.
09/24/09 11:18:01 RIGHT WHEN WE WERE HAVING A LOT
09/24/09 11:18:04 OF GROWTH AND A LOT
09/24/09 11:18:04 OF ECONOMIC
09/24/09 11:18:04 DEVELOPMENT.
09/24/09 11:18:08 WE CHOSE NOT TO USE THOSE
09/24/09 11:18:09 PROJECTIONS AND PRIMARILY WHY
09/24/09 11:18:12 WE LOOK AT PROJECTIONS IS HELP
09/24/09 11:18:14 US DEAL WITH REVENUE ESTIMATES
09/24/09 11:18:17 THAT CAN BE USED TO DEVELOP
09/24/09 11:18:18 MASTER PLANS.
09/24/09 11:18:21 FOR EACH IMPACT FEE DISTRICT WE
09/24/09 11:18:21 DEVELOP.
09/24/09 11:18:23 WE USE REVENUE ON THE BOTTOM TO
09/24/09 11:18:25 DEVELOP POPULATION ON THE
09/24/09 11:18:28 BOTTOM TO FILL UP THE REVENUE
09/24/09 11:18:28 PROJECTIONS.
09/24/09 11:18:30 AND I JUST --REAL QUICKLY
09/24/09 11:18:32 AGAIN, THIS SHOWS YOU THAT THE
09/24/09 11:18:35 POPULATION GROWTH IN THE
09/24/09 11:18:35 CITY
09/24/09 11:18:38 FROM 2000 TO 2025 SOME OF IT
09/24/09 11:18:41 HAS ALREADY OCCURRED
09/24/09 11:18:42 PROJECTED
09/24/09 11:18:42 AT 125,000.
09/24/09 11:18:44 THERE YOU CAN SEE SOME
09/24/09 11:18:46 ESTIMATES BY IMPACT FEE
09/24/09 11:18:48 DISTRICTS WHERE THE GROWTH WILL
09/24/09 11:18:51 OCCUR, IN THE
09/24/09 11:18:52 GENERATION OF
09/24/09 11:18:53 FUTURE POPULATION.
09/24/09 11:18:55 MUCH OF THAT OCCURRING IN THE
09/24/09 11:18:57 INNER BILLION DOWNTOWN DISTRICT
09/24/09 11:19:00 WHERE SOME OF THE --
09/24/09 11:19:00 INNER
09/24/09 11:19:01 BAY, DOWNTOWN DISTRICT WHERE
09/24/09 11:19:03 SOME OF THE MASSIVE TOWERS THAT
09/24/09 11:19:06 WE HAD PLANNED AND ARE
09/24/09 11:19:08 STRUGGLING NOW AND ALSO IN THE
09/24/09 11:19:09 EAST CENTRAL DISTRICT AS WELL.
09/24/09 11:19:10 POPULATION IS PART OF IT,
09/24/09 11:19:12 EMPLOYMENT THE OTHER PART OF
09/24/09 11:19:12 IT.
09/24/09 11:19:15 WE LOOK AT EMPLOYMENT BECAUSE
09/24/09 11:19:16 AGAIN EMPLOYMENT DRIVES NEED
09/24/09 11:19:19 WHERE PEOPLE GO AND THE
09/24/09 11:19:23 TYPES
09/24/09 11:19:26 OF TRANSPORTATION
09/24/09 11:19:26 IMPROVEMENTS
09/24/09 11:19:26 NEEDED.
09/24/09 11:19:28 WEST SHORE ALWAYS BEEN A
09/24/09 11:19:31 DOMINANT EMPLOYMENT CENTER
09/24/09 11:19:32 DOWNTOWN.
09/24/09 11:19:33 WHAT WASN'T THAT DOMINANT BACK
09/24/09 11:19:35 WHEN I WAS AROUND IS INNER BAY.
09/24/09 11:19:37 THAT IS STARTING TO BLOSSOM
09/24/09 11:19:38 NOW.
09/24/09 11:19:39 WE HAVE SOME SIGNIFICANT
09/24/09 11:19:40 EMPLOYMENT ACTIVITIES IN THAT
09/24/09 11:19:43 DISTRICT AS WELL
09/24/09 11:19:47 AS POPULATION
09/24/09 11:19:50 GROWTH SO THE FEES WE LOOKED
09/24/09 11:19:53 AT, I WANT TO GIVE YOU A STEP
09/24/09 11:19:53 WIDE PROGRESSION.
09/24/09 11:19:56 WE WILL TALK ABOUT CURRENT FEE,
09/24/09 11:19:57 CALCULATED FEE.
09/24/09 11:19:58 CALCULATED FEE MEANS THAT IS A
09/24/09 11:20:01 FEE THAT COULD BE
09/24/09 11:20:02 ADOPTED AT
09/24/09 11:20:03 MAXIMUM PERCENT.
09/24/09 11:20:06 IF YOU GO BACK AND WANT
09/24/09 11:20:08 TO
09/24/09 11:20:11 RESURRECT A FEE,
09/24/09 11:20:13 WE ALSO
09/24/09 11:20:15 CALCULATE IT AT A 15% DISCOUNT.
09/24/09 11:20:18 THESE ARE POPULAR IN THESE DAYS
09/24/09 11:20:19 WITH ECONOMIC PRESSURES.
09/24/09 11:20:21 MANY COMMUNITIES CHOSE TO LOOK
09/24/09 11:20:23 AT DISCOUNTED FEES OR
09/24/09 11:20:25 MORATORIUMS ON IMPACT FEES.
09/24/09 11:20:27 I ALWAYS MAKE THE STATEMENT AN
09/24/09 11:20:28 IMPACT FEE IS THE DIFFERENCE
09/24/09 11:20:31 BETWEEN WHAT IT COSTS TO
09/24/09 11:20:34 PROVIDE GROWTH AND WHAT OTHER
09/24/09 11:20:36 REVENUE SOURCES ARE FUNDING IT.
09/24/09 11:20:37 THE NET DIFFERENTIAL BETWEEN
09/24/09 11:20:39 WHAT THE COST IS VERSUS OTHER
09/24/09 11:20:41 SOURCES OF REVENUE USED TO FUND
09/24/09 11:20:41 GROWTH.
09/24/09 11:20:43 WHEN YOU DISCOUNT A FEE THEN
09/24/09 11:20:45 OBVIOUSLY YOU ARE EITHER NOT
09/24/09 11:20:47 GOING TO COLLECT WHAT YOU NEED
09/24/09 11:20:50 TO FUND GROWTH OR DROP SERVICE
09/24/09 11:20:52 STANDARDS OR SEE DEGRADATION IN
09/24/09 11:20:55 LEVEL OF SERVICE BY NOT FUNDING
09/24/09 11:20:55 FULL GROWTH.
09/24/09 11:20:57 YES, ALL DISCUSSIONS ARE OUT
09/24/09 11:20:59 THERE ABOUT MOBILITY FEES, AND
09/24/09 11:21:02 MOVING FORWARD AND
09/24/09 11:21:05 MAKING
09/24/09 11:21:07 FEES
09/24/09 11:21:07 MUCH MORE MULTINOTAL.
09/24/09 11:21:10 I WILL BE AT THE STAKE HOLDER
09/24/09 11:21:13 MEETING TOMORROW OCCURRING
09/24/09 11:21:14 I
09/24/09 11:21:16 KNOW COUNCILMAN SAUL-SENA IS ON
09/24/09 11:21:18 THAT COMMITTEE AS WELL.
09/24/09 11:21:21 THE TECHNICAL STUDY RESULTS
09/24/09 11:21:22 WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS.
09/24/09 11:21:24 HERE IS WHERE YOU ARE AT TODAY.
09/24/09 11:21:26 NUMBER ONE CURRENT SINGLE
09/24/09 11:21:29 FAMILY IMPACT FEE ON
09/24/09 11:21:32 THE BOOKS
09/24/09 11:21:33 TODAY.
09/24/09 11:21:34 NOT A LOT OF VARIATION ON THE
09/24/09 11:21:35 FEES.
09/24/09 11:21:36 COSTS WERE LOW BACK THEN.
09/24/09 11:21:39 WE HAVEN'T TOUCHED COST
09/24/09 11:21:40 IN 20
09/24/09 11:21:40 YEARS.
09/24/09 11:21:43 THEY HAVE GONE WAY OUT
09/24/09 11:21:44 OF
09/24/09 11:21:44 SIGHT.
09/24/09 11:21:46 SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IN
09/24/09 11:21:47 TRANSPORTATION IMPACT FEE, WHEN
09/24/09 11:21:50 YOU LOOK AT WHAT THE
09/24/09 11:21:50 CALCULATED
09/24/09 11:21:52 COST COULD BE FOR A SINGLE
09/24/09 11:21:53 FAMILY HOME.
09/24/09 11:21:55 THERE IS 40 LAND USES IN THE
09/24/09 11:21:59 IMPACT
09/24/09 11:21:59 FEE SCHEDULE.
09/24/09 11:22:00 COMMERCIAL, INDUSTRIAL, OFFICE
09/24/09 11:22:02 INSTITUTIONAL AS WELL BUT FOR
09/24/09 11:22:04 ILLUSTRATION PURPOSES, SHOWING
09/24/09 11:22:07 THE SINGLE FAMILY IMPACT
09/24/09 11:22:07 FEE.
09/24/09 11:22:09 YOU CAN SEE FEES RANGE FROM LOW
09/24/09 11:22:11 AND CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT
09/24/09 11:22:14 WHICH WE ALWAYS LOOKED
09/24/09 11:22:14 AT, A
09/24/09 11:22:16 REDUCED FEE IN CENTRAL BUSINESS
09/24/09 11:22:18 DISTRICT BECAUSE OF THE TRIPS
09/24/09 11:22:20 AND FACT THAT BASICALLY ONE
09/24/09 11:22:22 TRIP GOES TO FOUR, FIVE LAND
09/24/09 11:22:23 USES AND THEN PEOPLE WALK INTO
09/24/09 11:22:24 DOWNTOWN.
09/24/09 11:22:27 WE HAVE A MUCH LOWER IMPACT
09/24/09 11:22:30 FEE
09/24/09 11:22:33 INTO DOWNTOWN AREA.
09/24/09 11:22:36 SOME OTHER FEES HAVE
09/24/09 11:22:38 GONE UP
09/24/09 11:22:39 DRAMATICALLY.
09/24/09 11:22:39 $11,000.
09/24/09 11:22:40 THINK ABOUT UNIVERSITY NORTH
09/24/09 11:22:42 AREA THAT BEGS FOR PREMIUM
09/24/09 11:22:44 TRANSIT SERVICE OR RAPID
09/24/09 11:22:45 TRANSIT SERVICE.
09/24/09 11:22:46 RIGHT NOW WHAT WE HAVE GOT IS
09/24/09 11:22:49 LONGER TRIPS, PEOPLE TRAVELLING
09/24/09 11:22:51 LONGER DISTANCES TO GET TO
09/24/09 11:22:52 PRIMARY EMPLOYMENT CENTERS.
09/24/09 11:22:55 YOU HAVE A LOT MORE CONSUMPTION
09/24/09 11:22:56 OF CAPACITY.
09/24/09 11:22:58 THIS IS A CONSUMPTION BASED
09/24/09 11:23:01 IMPACT FEE CHARGES NEW GROWTH
09/24/09 11:23:03 TO VALUE OF TRANSPORTATION
09/24/09 11:23:06 ASSET THAT A UNIT OF NEW
09/24/09 11:23:07 GROWTH
09/24/09 11:23:08 CONSUMES.
09/24/09 11:23:11 THAT IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE
09/24/09 11:23:11 WE
09/24/09 11:23:13 END UP DEVELOPING CAPITAL
09/24/09 11:23:16 PROGRAM THAT IS ARE DESIGNED TO
09/24/09 11:23:19 FUND THE IMPROVEMENTS NEEDED
09/24/09 11:23:20 IN
09/24/09 11:23:21 THOSE PARTICULAR DISTRICTS.
09/24/09 11:23:22 THIS LAST EXAMPLE NUMBER THREE
09/24/09 11:23:24 IN BLUE SHOWS THAT IF WE WERE
09/24/09 11:23:27 TO LOOK AT A POLICY DECISION TO
09/24/09 11:23:28 DISCOUNT THE FEE IN HALF, THAT
09/24/09 11:23:30 IS WHAT THE FEES WOULD BE IN
09/24/09 11:23:32 TERMS OF EACH OF THE DISTRICTS
09/24/09 11:23:35 FOR A SINGLE
09/24/09 11:23:35 FAMILY HOME.
09/24/09 11:23:37 AS STEVE POINTED OUT THIS
09/24/09 11:23:38 WASN'T JUST AN IMPACT FEE STUDY
09/24/09 11:23:40 IT WAS DEVELOPMENT OF A MASTER
09/24/09 11:23:43 PLAN FOR EACH OF THE SIX IMPACT
09/24/09 11:23:45 FEE DISTRICTS, A PLAN THAT CAN
09/24/09 11:23:48 BE USED TO DEVELOP LONG RANGE
09/24/09 11:23:50 TRANSPORTATION PLAN, A PLAN
09/24/09 11:23:53 THAT FEEDS INTO YOUR FIVE YEAR
09/24/09 11:23:55 CAPITAL IMMOVEMENT PLAN.
09/24/09 11:23:58 ABOUT $370 MILLION
09/24/09 11:24:00 IN
09/24/09 11:24:01 TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENTS.
09/24/09 11:24:04 THE CURRENT FEE FUNDS WHAT YOU
09/24/09 11:24:06 SEE LEFT IN GREEN.
09/24/09 11:24:08 FUNDED BY $84 MILLION OF THAT
09/24/09 11:24:11 PLAN OVER THE PERIOD OF
09/24/09 11:24:11 TIME
09/24/09 11:24:13 FROM 2009 TO 2025.
09/24/09 11:24:16 IF YOU LOOK AT CALCULATED
09/24/09 11:24:16 FEE,
09/24/09 11:24:19 THE CALCULATED FEE FUNDS
09/24/09 11:24:21 ABOUT
09/24/09 11:24:24 $230 MILLION OF
09/24/09 11:24:25 THAT PLAN.
09/24/09 11:24:26 BASICALLY THE DIFFERENCE IS
09/24/09 11:24:28 IMPACT FEE CREDITS PROVIDED FOR
09/24/09 11:24:30 OTHER REVENUE SOURCES THAT NEW
09/24/09 11:24:31 GROWTH GENERATES THAT WILL ALSO
09/24/09 11:24:33 BE USED TO HELP FUND
09/24/09 11:24:34 TRANSPORTATION.
09/24/09 11:24:37 THAT IS A REQUIREMENT OF
09/24/09 11:24:37 THE
09/24/09 11:24:39 FLORIDA CASE LAW BASICALLY SAYS
09/24/09 11:24:41 YOU CANNOT OVER CHARGE NEW
09/24/09 11:24:44 GROWTH YOU'VE GOT TO CHARGE
09/24/09 11:24:44 NEW
09/24/09 11:24:46 GROWTH A PROPORTION NATE SHARE
09/24/09 11:24:50 OF COST
09/24/09 11:24:53 --PROPORTIONATELY
09/24/09 11:24:55 PROPORTIONATELY SHARE.
09/24/09 11:24:57 IF WE LOOK AT THE 50% DISCOUNT
09/24/09 11:25:00 FEE WE HAVE
09/24/09 11:25:01 SEVERAL OTHER
09/24/09 11:25:03 UNFUNDED PROJECTS THAT ARE
09/24/09 11:25:04 READ.
09/24/09 11:25:05 WHAT IMPACT FEETRANSPORTATION
09/24/09 11:25:07 PROGRAMS ARE ABOUT THEY ARE
09/24/09 11:25:07 ABOUT PROJECTS.
09/24/09 11:25:09 WHAT ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT
09/24/09 11:25:10 PROJECTS THAT THE COMMUNITY
09/24/09 11:25:12 AGREES THEY NEED AND THEN THE
09/24/09 11:25:13 QUESTION BECOMES HOW ARE WE
09/24/09 11:25:16 GOING THE FUND THOSE PROJECTS
09/24/09 11:25:19 IN THE FUTURE AND WITH
09/24/09 11:25:20 WHAT
09/24/09 11:25:20 REVENUE SOURCES.
09/24/09 11:25:23 THAT IS A REAL QUICK OVERVIEW
09/24/09 11:25:23 OF THE TRANSPORTATION IMPACT
09/24/09 11:25:27 FEE, A LITTLE ABOUT THE
09/24/09 11:25:27 MASTER
09/24/09 11:25:27 PLANS DEVELOPED.
09/24/09 11:25:29 I HAVE OTHER MATERIALS WE CAN
09/24/09 11:25:31 SHOW BUT IF YOU ARE INTERESTED
09/24/09 11:25:33 WE WILL BE GLAD TO SHOW IT AND
09/24/09 11:25:34 ALSO GLAD TO ANSWER ANY
09/24/09 11:25:35 QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.
09/24/09 11:25:38 >> QUESTION FOR
09/24/09 11:25:40 COUNCIL.
09/24/09 11:25:42 >> YOU MENTION MULTIMODAL BUT
09/24/09 11:25:43 PROJECT SPECIFICALLY THAT YOU
09/24/09 11:25:46 SHARED WITH US ARE ALL
09/24/09 11:25:47 ROADS
09/24/09 11:25:47 PROJECT, CORRECT?
09/24/09 11:25:49 >> ROADS AND INTERSECTION
09/24/09 11:25:52 PROJECTS, YES, THAT'S
09/24/09 11:25:53 CORRECT.
09/24/09 11:25:56 AT THIS TIME THIS WAS CAUGHT
09/24/09 11:25:57 IN
09/24/09 11:26:00 BETWEEN SENATE BILL 360
09/24/09 11:26:01 DISCUSSIONS OCCURRING LAST YEAR
09/24/09 11:26:03 AND WE MIGHT IN 3 OR 4 MONTHS
09/24/09 11:26:06 BE IN A MUCH BETTER POSITION.
09/24/09 11:26:08 WE HAVE ALREADY STARTED LOOKING
09/24/09 11:26:11 AT THAT WE ARE UNDER
09/24/09 11:26:11 CONTRACT.
09/24/09 11:26:12 >> THANK YOU.
09/24/09 11:26:14 MR. CHAIRMAN I THINK WE JUST
09/24/09 11:26:16 ADOPTED OUR BUDGET LAST NIGHT
09/24/09 11:26:19 WE ARE NOT IN AN APPETITE FOR
09/24/09 11:26:19 DISCUSSION SO MUCH.
09/24/09 11:26:21 I WOULD LIKE TO PUT THIS OFF TO
09/24/09 11:26:23 FEBRUARY IF I COULD.
09/24/09 11:26:26 AND BY THEN YOU WILL
09/24/09 11:26:28 AGAIN HAVE
09/24/09 11:26:31 A GREATER INSIGHT INTO WHETHER
09/24/09 11:26:32 A VARIETY OF MODES.
09/24/09 11:26:34 I WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS AFTER
09/24/09 11:26:37 OUR DISCUSSION ON WATER
09/24/09 11:26:37 ON
09/24/09 11:26:38 FEBRUARY WORKSHOP.
09/24/09 11:26:40 >> WE ONLY HAVE ONE WORKSHOP
09/24/09 11:26:42 THE MOTION WAS WE HAVE ONLY
09/24/09 11:26:42 THAT.
09/24/09 11:26:44 >> WELL, THEN MARCH.
09/24/09 11:26:47 >> I GUESS THE
09/24/09 11:26:48 QUESTION THOUGH
09/24/09 11:26:50 IS IS THERE A NEED FOR IT TO
09/24/09 11:26:51 COME BACK STEVE IN THIS IS
09/24/09 11:26:54 REALLY JUST FOR INFORMATION.
09/24/09 11:26:57 >> COUNCILMEMBERS, AGAIN,
09/24/09 11:26:58 YOU
09/24/09 11:27:00 HAVE SEEN THE MAJORITY OR LARGE
09/24/09 11:27:01 PARTS OF THIS STUDY.
09/24/09 11:27:03 WE CAN GET INTO A GREATER
09/24/09 11:27:05 DETAIL AT A DIFFERENT TIME BUT
09/24/09 11:27:07 STUDY AND RESULTS ARE NOT GOING
09/24/09 11:27:08 TO CHANGE.
09/24/09 11:27:11 WE WOULD BE GLAD TO
09/24/09 11:27:12 PROVIDE YOU
09/24/09 11:27:14 MORE INFORMATION [ MULTIPLE
09/24/09 11:27:14 SPEAKER ]
09/24/09 11:27:16 >> I WITH DRAW MY MOTION AND
09/24/09 11:27:18 WOULD LIKE AN INDIVIDUAL
09/24/09 11:27:19 BRIEFING.
09/24/09 11:27:19 >> SURE.
09/24/09 11:27:22 >> IS THIS THE END
09/24/09 11:27:23 OF THE
09/24/09 11:27:23 PRESENTATION?
09/24/09 11:27:24 IS THIS THE LAST SLIDE?
09/24/09 11:27:27 THERE WAS A CONCERN I HAD HOW
09/24/09 11:27:30 THIS WOULD PLAY INTO SENATE
09/24/09 11:27:32 BILL 360 BUT I WOULD LIKE THE
09/24/09 11:27:36 GET A COPY OF THE STUDY
09/24/09 11:27:36 TOO?
09/24/09 11:27:38 >> CERTAINLY AND THIS WAS DONE
09/24/09 11:27:40 BEFORE SENATE BILL 360 THIS
09/24/09 11:27:43 PUTS US IN BETTER STEAD BUT
09/24/09 11:27:46 UNTIL 360 TOTALLY UNFOLDS.
09/24/09 11:27:48 >> COUNCILMEMBER DINGFELDER.
09/24/09 11:27:51 >> I HAD TO STEP OUT FOR
09/24/09 11:27:51 A
09/24/09 11:27:52 SECOND.
09/24/09 11:27:53 ON ANOTHER MATTER SO I KNOW WE
09/24/09 11:27:55 HAVE LOTS OF UNFUNDED NEEDS,
09/24/09 11:27:57 WAS THERE ULTIMATELY A
09/24/09 11:27:59 RECOMMENDATION THROUGH THIS OR
09/24/09 11:27:59 WHAT?
09/24/09 11:28:02 >> OUR RECOMMENDATION IS THAT
09/24/09 11:28:05 WE DO NOT CHANGE OUR FEES OR
09/24/09 11:28:06 IMPACT FEES OR DISTRICT'S AT
09/24/09 11:28:07 THIS TIME.
09/24/09 11:28:10 THAT IS
09/24/09 11:28:11 OUR RECOMMENDATION.
09/24/09 11:28:11 >> OKAY.
09/24/09 11:28:14 >> THIS IS BASICALLY A KIND
09/24/09 11:28:15 OF
09/24/09 11:28:15 SNAPSHOT IN TIME OR BENCHMARK
09/24/09 11:28:18 WHAT COULD BE BUT
09/24/09 11:28:19 NOT A
09/24/09 11:28:20 RECOMMENDATION.
09/24/09 11:28:21 >> OKAY.
09/24/09 11:28:22 AND IN LIGHT OF YOU KNOW THE
09/24/09 11:28:24 FACT THAT DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY
09/24/09 11:28:26 HAS BEEN BASICALLY PUNCHED IN
09/24/09 11:28:27 THE STOMACH SEVERAL TIMETHEN A
09/24/09 11:28:29 BLOW TO THE HEAD I WOULD AGREE
09/24/09 11:28:30 WITH YOU COMPLETELY.
09/24/09 11:28:32 I THINK THIS IS NO TIME TO BE
09/24/09 11:28:35 HITTING YOU KNOW
09/24/09 11:28:36 HITTING
09/24/09 11:28:37 BUILDERS, DEVELOPERS,
09/24/09 11:28:37 CONSTRUCTION WORKERS AND
09/24/09 11:28:39 EVERYONE ELSE WITH THAT.
09/24/09 11:28:41 MY QUESTION THOUGH IS LET'S SAY
09/24/09 11:28:43 THREE OR FOUR YEARS FROM NOW,
09/24/09 11:28:46 HOPEFULLY THERE IS
09/24/09 11:28:47 A BIG
09/24/09 11:28:48 REBOUND, YOU KNOW, ALL SORTS OF
09/24/09 11:28:51 THINGS ARE GOING BACK ON
09/24/09 11:28:53 IN
09/24/09 11:28:56 CONSTRUCTION AND DEVELOPMENT.
09/24/09 11:28:57 DOES THIS GIVE A POTENTIAL
09/24/09 11:28:59 INCREASE FOR SOME FUTURE
09/24/09 11:29:00 COUNCIL?
09/24/09 11:29:03 >> AGAIN, WE SHOW --
09/24/09 11:29:03 THIS
09/24/09 11:29:04 SHOWS A BENCHMARK.
09/24/09 11:29:07 THIS SHOWS OUR NEEDS AND THE
09/24/09 11:29:08 TRANSPORTATION IMPACT FEES AND
09/24/09 11:29:10 HOW THEY COULD EFFECT THOSE
09/24/09 11:29:11 NEEDS.
09/24/09 11:29:13 HOW WE COULD BRING ABOUT
09/24/09 11:29:16 RESOLUTION BY
09/24/09 11:29:17 BUILDING THOSE
09/24/09 11:29:18 PROJECTS.
09/24/09 11:29:19 SENATE BILL 360 AND MOBILITY
09/24/09 11:29:22 IMPACT FEE ISSUE COMING
09/24/09 11:29:23 DOWN, I
09/24/09 11:29:25 THINK WILL TOTALLY CHANGE HOW
09/24/09 11:29:26 CITIES IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA
09/24/09 11:29:28 LOOK AT IMPACT FEES AND FEES IN
09/24/09 11:29:29 GENERAL.
09/24/09 11:29:32 I THINK IT
09/24/09 11:29:34 IS A GOOD FRAME OF
09/24/09 11:29:34 REFERENCE.
09/24/09 11:29:36 I THINK WE WILL HAVE TO WAIT
09/24/09 11:29:38 AND SEE HOW SENATE BILL 360 AND
09/24/09 11:29:39 THIS MOBILITY FEE WILL UNFOLD
09/24/09 11:29:42 IN THE NEXT 50 YEARS AND THEN I
09/24/09 11:29:45 THINK WE WILL HAVE TO WANT TO
09/24/09 11:29:48 GO BACK AND REVISIT OUR FEE
09/24/09 11:29:48 STRUCTURE.
09/24/09 11:29:49 >> OKAY MR. WALLACE.
09/24/09 11:29:52 >> WE PAY GOOD MONEY
09/24/09 11:29:54 --YOU
09/24/09 11:29:55 HEARD MY QUESTION?
09/24/09 11:29:57 IN THE FUTURE, FAR DISTANT
09/24/09 11:29:58 FUTURE, SOME FUTURE COUNCIL
09/24/09 11:30:01 THAT I WON'T BE A PART OF, IS
09/24/09 11:30:04 THERE A JUSTIFICATION IN HERE
09/24/09 11:30:06 TO --FOR SOME FUTURE COUNCIL
09/24/09 11:30:09 TO ADJUST THE IMPACT FEES?
09/24/09 11:30:09 >> ABSOLUTELY.
09/24/09 11:30:11 AND HOW FAR YOU GO BEFORE YOU
09/24/09 11:30:13 MAKE THAT ADJUSTMENT WILL
09/24/09 11:30:14 DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT YOU
09/24/09 11:30:17 WANT TO TAKE THE STUDY EXACTLY
09/24/09 11:30:18 AS IT IS, IF IT IS RELATIVELY
09/24/09 11:30:20 SHORT PERIOD OF TIME, A COUPLE
09/24/09 11:30:23 YEARS OR IF IT IS THREE
09/24/09 11:30:24 OR
09/24/09 11:30:25 FOUYEARS THEN THERE MAY NEED TO
09/24/09 11:30:27 BE A RELOOK AT THE STUDY.
09/24/09 11:30:28 I DO THINK THAT YOU ARE GOING
09/24/09 11:30:32 TO SEE FOLKS MOVING AWAY FROM A
09/24/09 11:30:34 PURE TRANSPORTATION IMPACT FEE
09/24/09 11:30:36 WHICH DOES ALLOW YOU TO SPEND
09/24/09 11:30:39 MONEY ON BICYCLE, PEDESTRIANS,
09/24/09 11:30:40 AND TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENTS
09/24/09 11:30:42 AS WELL TO A MORE PURE MOBILITY
09/24/09 11:30:46 FEE THAT ALLOWS
09/24/09 11:30:48 YOU TO
09/24/09 11:30:51 DISPROPORTIONATELY ALLOW YOU
09/24/09 11:30:51 TO
09/24/09 11:30:54 SPEND MONEY ON MULTIMODAL
09/24/09 11:30:54 IMPROVEMENTS.
09/24/09 11:30:55 YOU COULD ADOPT THE FEE AS IT
09/24/09 11:30:57 STANDS IN A YEAR OR TWO YEARS.
09/24/09 11:31:00 YOU MAY WANT TO LOOK AT
09/24/09 11:31:03 A MORE
09/24/09 11:31:03 MULTIMODAL APPROACH TO A
09/24/09 11:31:05 MOBILITY FEE THAT THEN ALLOWS
09/24/09 11:31:06 GREATER FLEXIBILITY THAN YOU
09/24/09 11:31:09 CURRENTLY HAVE TO SPEND MONEY
09/24/09 11:31:11 ON ALTERNATIVE MODES.
09/24/09 11:31:12 >> FLEXIBILITY MOBILITY FEE
09/24/09 11:31:15 SOUNDS LIKE IT COULD BE MORE
09/24/09 11:31:16 CONSISTENT WITH TRANSIT
09/24/09 11:31:19 INITIATIVE IF IT PASSES.
09/24/09 11:31:20 THANK YOU FOR YOUR CANDOUR.
09/24/09 11:31:20 >> YES, SIR.
09/24/09 11:31:23 >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS IN
09/24/09 11:31:25 ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC?
09/24/09 11:31:28 ANYONE WISH TO ADDRESS COUNCIL?
09/24/09 11:31:31 OKAY NO ACTION
09/24/09 11:31:31 RETIRED.
09/24/09 11:31:34 THANK YOU ALL VERY
09/24/09 11:31:36 MUCH.
09/24/09 11:31:39 OUR
09/24/09 11:31:40 FINAL WORKSHOP.
09/24/09 11:31:41 ON THE APPEAL PROCESS.
09/24/09 11:31:42 SHELBY.
09/24/09 11:31:43 >> GOOD MORNING.
09/24/09 11:31:45 MARTIN SHELBY CITY COUNCIL
09/24/09 11:31:46 ATTORNEY.
09/24/09 11:31:49 TODAY I AM HERE TO
09/24/09 11:31:53 DISCUSS WITH
09/24/09 11:31:55 YOU YOUR APPEALS PROCESS.
09/24/09 11:31:58 IF WE CAN GO TO POWER POINT
09/24/09 11:31:59 VERY QUICKLY.
09/24/09 11:32:00 GOT TO GO BACK ONE.
09/24/09 11:32:00 THERE WE GO.
09/24/09 11:32:02 COUNCIL --THIS IS MY FIRST
09/24/09 11:32:04 POWER POINT PRESENTATION TO YOU
09/24/09 11:32:06 SO PLEASE BARE WITH ME.
09/24/09 11:32:08 >> PRETTY HIGH TECH MR. SHELBY.
09/24/09 11:32:09 >> FOR ME IT IS.
09/24/09 11:32:10 BUT WHAT I WOULD LIKE THE TALK
09/24/09 11:32:12 WITH YOU ABOUT BRIEFLY ABOUT IN
09/24/09 11:32:15 THE TIME REMAINING IS YOUR
09/24/09 11:32:15 APPEALS PROCESS.
09/24/09 11:32:17 I HAVE 13, 14 SLIDES BUT WHAT
09/24/09 11:32:20 WE ARE GOING TO TAKE A LOOK
09/24/09 11:32:22 AT
09/24/09 11:32:25 IS THE
09/24/09 11:32:28 CURRENT PROCESS I
09/24/09 11:32:28 WILL
09/24/09 11:32:30 PRESENT COUNCIL WITH FIVE
09/24/09 11:32:32 OPTIONS AND THEN GIVE YOU
09/24/09 11:32:33 FACTORS WHEN YOU WEIGH YOUR
09/24/09 11:32:34 DECISION.
09/24/09 11:32:36 WHAT I DID PROVIDE FOR YOU IN
09/24/09 11:32:39 YOUR BACK UP MATERIAL IS A
09/24/09 11:32:42 MATRIX OF FIVE OPTIONS AND
09/24/09 11:32:43 ADVANTAGES AND DISADVANTAGES
09/24/09 11:32:46 FOR YOU TO WEIGH IN
09/24/09 11:32:47 YOUR
09/24/09 11:32:48 DELIBERATIONS AND DISCUSSIONS.
09/24/09 11:32:49 WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE CURRENT
09/24/09 11:32:51 PROCESS WE TALK ABOUT THE ROLE
09/24/09 11:32:53 OF THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR.
09/24/09 11:32:56 YOURS IS HERE IN CHAMBERS WITH
09/24/09 11:32:59 YOU TODAY ALONG
09/24/09 11:33:00 WITH JULIA.
09/24/09 11:33:03 SHE HAS WORKED HARD IN
09/24/09 11:33:03 RESEARCH.
09/24/09 11:33:05 WORKING WITH OUTSIDE COUNCIL
09/24/09 11:33:07 PREPARING AND GETTING OUR ARMS
09/24/09 11:33:10 AROUND OUR CODE TO BE ABLE
09/24/09 11:33:10 TO
09/24/09 11:33:14 PRESENT THIS TO
09/24/09 11:33:14 YOU.
09/24/09 11:33:17 I WANT TO THANK HER FOR
09/24/09 11:33:19 HER
09/24/09 11:33:19 HARD WORK.
09/24/09 11:33:22 APPLICATION FOR DECISIONS,
09/24/09 11:33:24 DETERMINATION, INTERPRETATION,
09/24/09 11:33:24 CERTIFICATION OR NONCONFORMING
09/24/09 11:33:27 STATUS P. IT IS IMPORTANT I
09/24/09 11:33:28 THINK THAT DISTINCTION MUST BE
09/24/09 11:33:30 MADE FOR KIND OF DECISIONS THAT
09/24/09 11:33:31 SHE MAKES.
09/24/09 11:33:33 SHE MAKES DECISIONS THAT ARE
09/24/09 11:33:36 GENERAL, AND
09/24/09 11:33:39 GENERIC
09/24/09 11:33:40 IN NATURE.
09/24/09 11:33:42 SOME BODY CALLS UP WHAT CAN I
09/24/09 11:33:44 BUILD IN COMMERCIAL GENERAL SHE
09/24/09 11:33:46 ANSWERS THOSE QUESTIONS.
09/24/09 11:33:47 DISTINCTIONS MUST BE IMMEDIATE
09/24/09 11:33:48 BETWEEN THOSE AND MORE FORMAL
09/24/09 11:33:51 QUESTIONS LIKE THOSE INVOLVES A
09/24/09 11:33:53 SPECIFIC PIECE OF PROPERTY.
09/24/09 11:33:55 QUESTIONS THAT PEOPLE RELY ON
09/24/09 11:33:56 THAT DECISION.
09/24/09 11:33:57 AND I THINK IT IS GOING TO BE
09/24/09 11:33:59 IMPORTANT AND JULIA WOULD LIKE
09/24/09 11:34:02 TO DISCUSS WITH YOU, THE ROLE
09/24/09 11:34:05 OF THE
09/24/09 11:34:07 ZONING ADMINISTRATOR.
09/24/09 11:34:09 TO REFRESH YOUR RECOLLECTION
09/24/09 11:34:11 YOU HAVE HEARD APPEALS THAT
09/24/09 11:34:12 GENERATED INITIALLY ZONING ADD
09/24/09 11:34:13 MINISTRY TORE FOR INSTANCE
09/24/09 11:34:16 RESTREET IS ONE, MARINA ISSUE
09/24/09 11:34:17 WAS ANOTHER.
09/24/09 11:34:18 THE INTERESTING THING ABOUT THE
09/24/09 11:34:21 ROLE OF ZONING ADMINISTRATOR,
09/24/09 11:34:22 APPLICATION COULD COME FROM
09/24/09 11:34:25 ANYONE INCLUDING THIRD
09/24/09 11:34:26 PARTY,
09/24/09 11:34:26 NON-PROPERTY OWNERS.
09/24/09 11:34:28 SOME BODY WOULD ASK WHAT CAN
09/24/09 11:34:31 THAT PERSON DO ON THEIR
09/24/09 11:34:34 PROPERTY AND ZONING
09/24/09 11:34:37 ADMINISTRATOR CAN PINE
09/24/09 11:34:40 ON
09/24/09 11:34:40 THAT.
09/24/09 11:34:41 PARDON?
09/24/09 11:34:43 ZONING ADMINISTRATOR RENDERS,
09/24/09 11:34:45 BASED ON WHAT IS REVIVED BY
09/24/09 11:34:47 REQUESTING PARTY AND OWN
09/24/09 11:34:47 RESEARCH.
09/24/09 11:34:49 RIGHT NOW I THINK --I DON'T
09/24/09 11:34:51 KNOW IF THIS IS AN APPROPRIATE
09/24/09 11:34:54 TIME TO TALK ABOUT IT, RIGHT
09/24/09 11:34:56 NOW YOU HAVE BEEN HEARING
09/24/09 11:34:59 APPEALS FROM PROCESSES THAT
09/24/09 11:35:02 GENERATED WITH A REQUEST WHERE
09/24/09 11:35:04 THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR
09/24/09 11:35:06 RECEIVED INFORMATION FROM ONE
09/24/09 11:35:08 PARTY, THE PARTY REQUESTING
09/24/09 11:35:09 DETERMINATION AND OWN RESEARCH
09/24/09 11:35:11 AND DID NOT GET INFORMATION
09/24/09 11:35:12 FROM OTHER PARTIES THAT MAY IN
09/24/09 11:35:14 FACT HAVE AN INTEREST.
09/24/09 11:35:17 DID YOU WANT TO SAY ANYTHING
09/24/09 11:35:17 AT
09/24/09 11:35:17 THIS POINT?
09/24/09 11:35:19 >> THE REASON THIS IS IMPORTANT
09/24/09 11:35:21 IN THIS CONVERSATION IS THAT
09/24/09 11:35:23 YOU DO RECEIVE TWO TYPES OF
09/24/09 11:35:24 APPEALS.
09/24/09 11:35:24 ONE OF THOSE ARE DECISION THAT
09/24/09 11:35:27 IS START WITH ZONING
09/24/09 11:35:28 ADMINISTRATOR.
09/24/09 11:35:30 THE PROCESS RIGHT NOW IS VERY
09/24/09 11:35:32 GENERALIZED AND VERY OPEN AND
09/24/09 11:35:35 DOESN'T HAVE ANY KIND
09/24/09 11:35:38 OF
09/24/09 11:35:44 PROCESS WHICH REQUIRES
09/24/09 11:35:44 RECEIPT
09/24/09 11:35:46 OF INFORMATION FROM REQUESTING
09/24/09 11:35:48 PARTY WHETHER THEY ARE THE
09/24/09 11:35:48 PROPERTY OWNER.
09/24/09 11:35:51 AS YOU MOVE UP THE LADDER YOU
09/24/09 11:35:52 HAVE AN APPEAL TO VARIANCE
09/24/09 11:35:54 REVIEW BOARD OR HISTORIC BOARDS
09/24/09 11:35:55 DEPENDING WHEN THE HAPPENS.
09/24/09 11:35:58 THAT IS WHEN THE RECORD IS
09/24/09 11:35:59 DEVELOPING.
09/24/09 11:36:02 SO INHERENTLY IN THE
09/24/09 11:36:03 SYSTEM WE
09/24/09 11:36:07 SET UP YOU HAVE A ZONING
09/24/09 11:36:08 ADMINISTRATOR MAKING A DECISION
09/24/09 11:36:10 WITH HALF THE INFORMATION.
09/24/09 11:36:12 THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR ISN'T
09/24/09 11:36:13 NECESSARILY PRIVY TO THOSE.
09/24/09 11:36:15 WHEN IT GETS TO THIS BOARD YOU
09/24/09 11:36:17 HAVE A CLOSED RECORD AND A
09/24/09 11:36:19 RECORD YOUR ZONING
09/24/09 11:36:20 ADMINISTRATOR ONLY HALF
09/24/09 11:36:22 UNDERSTOOD, HALF KNEW YOU HAVE
09/24/09 11:36:24 YOUR VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD
09/24/09 11:36:25 MAKING DETERMINATIONS ON THAT
09/24/09 11:36:27 IS HOW IT GETS TO YOU.
09/24/09 11:36:28 NOTWITHSTANDING ANYTHING WE DO
09/24/09 11:36:31 DO IN THIS APPEALS PROCESS IT
09/24/09 11:36:33 IS THE STRONG RECOMMENDATION
09/24/09 11:36:35 THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT REVISIT
09/24/09 11:36:38 THAT PROCESS AND CHANGE
09/24/09 11:36:39 THE WAY
09/24/09 11:36:40 ZONING ADMINISTRATOR
09/24/09 11:36:41 DETERMINATION PROCESS
09/24/09 11:36:43 OCCURBRING THAT BACK TO YOU.
09/24/09 11:36:45 IT IS INHERENTLY PROBLEMATIC
09/24/09 11:36:47 WHERE YOU HAVE GIVEN YOUR
09/24/09 11:36:48 ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AN
09/24/09 11:36:49 AUTHORITY TO MAKE DECISIONS
09/24/09 11:36:50 THAT ARE NOT COMPLETE.
09/24/09 11:36:52 WE WILL BRING IT BACK TO YOU.
09/24/09 11:36:53 THAT WILL BE ONE OF THIS I
09/24/09 11:36:56 THINKS I WILL ASK AT THE END OF
09/24/09 11:36:57 THIS DISCUSSION.
09/24/09 11:36:57 >> THANK YOU.
09/24/09 11:37:00 THE POINT IS
09/24/09 11:37:03 TO RECOGNIZE THAT
09/24/09 11:37:05 IN THE COURSE OF THIS COUNCIL
09/24/09 11:37:07 HEARING APPEALS, THERE ARE
09/24/09 11:37:08 ISSUES THAT NEED TO BE
09/24/09 11:37:09 ADDRESSED.
09/24/09 11:37:11 ONE OF THOSE ISSUES IS
09/24/09 11:37:12 FORMALIZE, CLARIFY AND IMPROVE
09/24/09 11:37:15 THE PROCESS FOR MAKING
09/24/09 11:37:16 A ZONING
09/24/09 11:37:16 ADMINISTRATOR DETERMINATION
09/24/09 11:37:19 THAT INVOLVES A DECISION THAT A
09/24/09 11:37:22 PROPERTY OWNER OR
09/24/09 11:37:25 SOMEONE
09/24/09 11:37:29 WOULD
09/24/09 11:37:30 RELY UPON.
09/24/09 11:37:32 >> THEN YOU HAVE THE ROLE OF
09/24/09 11:37:33 THE VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD.
09/24/09 11:37:35 THEY HERE REQUESTS NOT IN
09/24/09 11:37:38 HISTORIC DISTRICTS, TREE
09/24/09 11:37:41 REMOVAL BASED UPON
09/24/09 11:37:41 REASONABLE
09/24/09 11:37:42 USE.
09/24/09 11:37:43 ELECTRIC FENCE AND BARBED WIRE
09/24/09 11:37:43 DETERMINATIONS.
09/24/09 11:37:46 THERE IS A HEARING BEING
09/24/09 11:37:47 CONTINUED THAT YOU WILL HEAR
09/24/09 11:37:50 SOME TIME IN THE
09/24/09 11:37:52 FUTURE JUST
09/24/09 11:37:53 RECENTLY CONTINUED.
09/24/09 11:37:56 THEY HEAR ZONING
09/24/09 11:37:57 DETERMINATIONS
09/24/09 11:38:00 NOT THE
09/24/09 11:38:02 HISTORIC DISTRICTS.
09/24/09 11:38:05 THE ROLE OF
09/24/09 11:38:06 THE ARCHITECTURAL
09/24/09 11:38:09 REVIEW AND
09/24/09 11:38:11 BARRIO ARE TO HEAR
09/24/09 11:38:12 VARIANCES, DETERMINATIONS IN
09/24/09 11:38:15 HISTORIC DISTRICTS AND
09/24/09 11:38:17 RECOMMENDATIONS ON
09/24/09 11:38:19 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENTS
09/24/09 11:38:21 AND REZONING TO SPECIAL PERMIT
09/24/09 11:38:22 APPLICATIONS.
09/24/09 11:38:24 THEN WE COME TO THE ROLE OF THE
09/24/09 11:38:24 CITY COUNCIL.
09/24/09 11:38:27 THE CITY COUNCIL PRESENTLY
09/24/09 11:38:30 HEARS APPEALS FROM THE VRB, THE
09/24/09 11:38:34 ARC, AND THE BLC.
09/24/09 11:38:37 AND THEY HEAR APPEALS
09/24/09 11:38:39 FROM THE
09/24/09 11:38:40 ZONING ADMINISTRATOR ON S-1
09/24/09 11:38:44 DECISIONS AND PD AND
09/24/09 11:38:45 S-2 SIDE
09/24/09 11:38:46 PLAN INTERPRETATIONS.
09/24/09 11:38:49 APPEALS FROM S-1 ARE
09/24/09 11:38:52 ON A
09/24/09 11:38:53 DENOVO STANDARD AND THE OTHERS
09/24/09 11:38:56 ARE ON A STANDARD WE WILL
09/24/09 11:38:58 TALK
09/24/09 11:39:00 ABOUT WHICH IS SUBJECT OF THE
09/24/09 11:39:01 NEED FOR DISCUSSION.
09/24/09 11:39:04 SO BEFORE WE BEGIN,
09/24/09 11:39:05 AND THE
09/24/09 11:39:07 FOUNDATION WE NEED THE TALK
09/24/09 11:39:10 ABOUT
09/24/09 11:39:13 STANDARDS
09/24/09 11:39:16 OF REVIEW.
09/24/09 11:39:19 THE STANDARDS OF
09/24/09 11:39:23 REVIEW ARE
09/24/09 11:39:26 DENOVO THE STANDARD IS LATIN
09/24/09 11:39:28 FOR A NEW, A FRESH FROM THE
09/24/09 11:39:28 BEGINNING.
09/24/09 11:39:32 SO THERE IS NO
09/24/09 11:39:34 ATTENTION TO
09/24/09 11:39:37 FINDINGS YOU HEAR IT AS A NEW
09/24/09 11:39:37 TRIAL.
09/24/09 11:39:40 YOU ARE NOT BOUND
09/24/09 11:39:43 BY
09/24/09 11:39:43 ANY
09/24/09 11:39:45 DECISION, WHEN SOMEONE HEARS
09/24/09 11:39:48 SOMETHING THEY WILL HEAR IT AS
09/24/09 11:39:51 FOR THE FIRST
09/24/09 11:39:51 TIME.
09/24/09 11:39:55 AND THE
09/24/09 11:39:56 APPEALS LET'S SAY
09/24/09 11:39:59 VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD
09/24/09 11:40:02 DETERMINATION THEY
09/24/09 11:40:08 HEAR IT
09/24/09 11:40:12 .
09/24/09 11:40:15 THEY DID NOT HAVE ALL
09/24/09 11:40:15 THE
09/24/09 11:40:16 PERTINENT INFORMATION THAT THEY
09/24/09 11:40:19 HAD WHEN
09/24/09 11:40:22 MAKING A DECISION.
09/24/09 11:40:24 SO THE IMPORTANT THING TO
09/24/09 11:40:26 UNDERSTAND IS THAT THE APPEALS
09/24/09 11:40:29 FROM IF WE GO BACK
09/24/09 11:40:32 TO
09/24/09 11:40:32 THE SLIDE
09/24/09 11:40:35 HERE, IF WE GO BACK TO
09/24/09 11:40:36 STANDARDS OF REVIEW, APPEALS
09/24/09 11:40:40 THAT CITY COUNCIL HERE --
09/24/09 11:40:43 APPEALS FROM CITY COUNCIL THAT
09/24/09 11:40:46 ZONING ADMINISTRATOR ON
09/24/09 11:40:47 S-1s
09/24/09 11:40:50 ARE BASED ON DENOVO STANDARD.
09/24/09 11:40:53 COUNCIL HEARS THE WHOLE CASE.
09/24/09 11:40:57 WHEN WE
09/24/09 11:41:00 TALK
09/24/09 11:41:00 ABOUT REVIEW, THIS
09/24/09 11:41:02 REVIEW RHYMES WITH FERRARI AND
09/24/09 11:41:05 IT IS FROM THE LATIN VERB TO
09/24/09 11:41:08 SHOW, TO PROVE TO ASCERTAIN.
09/24/09 11:41:11 AND THAT IS A LEGAL STANDARD OF
09/24/09 11:41:11 REVIEW.
09/24/09 11:41:15 IT IS A VERY STRICT
09/24/09 11:41:16 STANDARD OF
09/24/09 11:41:17 REVIEW.
09/24/09 11:41:18 IT IS A STRICT STANDARD OF
09/24/09 11:41:21 REVIEW FOR A LAY POLITICAL
09/24/09 11:41:21 BODY
09/24/09 11:41:22 TO FOLLOW.
09/24/09 11:41:24 I THINK COUNCIL HAS RECOGNIZED
09/24/09 11:41:28 THAT WHEN FACED WITH
09/24/09 11:41:32 STANDARD
09/24/09 11:41:34 OF REVIEW.
09/24/09 11:41:37 TERSHERARI REVIEW, THE
09/24/09 11:41:40 REVIEWING BODY HAS TO LOOK AT
09/24/09 11:41:43 WHETHER DECISION IS SUPPORTED
09/24/09 11:41:45 BY SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE,
09/24/09 11:41:48 PARTIES AFFORDED DUE PROCESS,
09/24/09 11:41:51 WHETHER DECIDING BOARD
09/24/09 11:41:52 OBSERVED
09/24/09 11:41:53 ESSENTIAL REQUIREMENTS OF LAW.
09/24/09 11:41:56 NOW IF YOU LOOK AT THE STANDARD
09/24/09 11:41:59 OF REVIEW IN
09/24/09 11:42:00 YOUR CODE, SECTION
09/24/09 11:42:04 27373, IT ACTUALLY MIMICS
09/24/09 11:42:04 THAT
09/24/09 11:42:04 LANGUAGE EXACTLY.
09/24/09 11:42:06 IT SAYS THOSE THREE POINTS IN
09/24/09 11:42:09 YOUR CODE FOR YOUR
09/24/09 11:42:12 STANDARD OF
09/24/09 11:42:12 REVIEW.
09/24/09 11:42:14 HOWEVER, IN AN EVERY FORT TO
09/24/09 11:42:16 STREAM LINE THE PROCESS, --IN
09/24/09 11:42:18 AN EFFORT TO STREAM LINE THE
09/24/09 11:42:21 PROCESS CITY COUNCIL
09/24/09 11:42:21 MADE AN
09/24/09 11:42:24 AMENDMENT IN APRIL THAT CREATED
09/24/09 11:42:27 A HYBRID AND
09/24/09 11:42:27 COMPLICATED THE
09/24/09 11:42:28 MATTER.
09/24/09 11:42:31 I THINK
09/24/09 11:42:34 THAT IS WHAT I WOULD
09/24/09 11:42:36 LIKE TO SHARE BE YOU NOW.
09/24/09 11:42:37 IN REVIEWING THE BOARD OF
09/24/09 11:42:41 DECISION MAY EITHER
09/24/09 11:42:42 AFFIRM THE
09/24/09 11:42:43 BOARD'S OR COMMISSIONS
09/24/09 11:42:45 DECISION, MAY REMAND THE MATTER
09/24/09 11:42:47 TO THE BOARD OR COMMISSION FOR
09/24/09 11:42:48 FURTHER PROCEEDINGS WITH
09/24/09 11:42:50 DIRECTION ON HOW THE BOARD
09/24/09 11:42:52 FAILED TO COMPLY WITH THOSE
09/24/09 11:42:53 STANDARDS WITH THE ABOVE
09/24/09 11:42:55 STANDARDS OR AND THIS IS THE
09/24/09 11:42:57 SECTION THEY ADDED, MAY OVER
09/24/09 11:43:00 TURN THE DECISION OR BOARD
09/24/09 11:43:01 OF
09/24/09 11:43:04 COMMISSION THERE
09/24/09 11:43:04 BY GRANTING
09/24/09 11:43:05 PETITION.
09/24/09 11:43:07 WHAT YOU HAVE THUS DONE IS
09/24/09 11:43:09 TAKEN THE TWO STANDARDS OF
09/24/09 11:43:12 REVIEW AND CREATED A
09/24/09 11:43:12 HYBRID.
09/24/09 11:43:16 THAT
09/24/09 11:43:19 IS
09/24/09 11:43:22 PROBLEMATIC COUNCIL.
09/24/09 11:43:25 IT IS MY
09/24/09 11:43:27 RECOMMENDATION FROM
09/24/09 11:43:29 WHERE WE BEGIN [ VOICES IN THE
09/24/09 11:43:30 BACKGROUND ]
09/24/09 11:43:33 >> AT THE TIME IT
09/24/09 11:43:33 MADE PERFECT
09/24/09 11:43:36 SENSE BECAUSE
09/24/09 11:43:39 THE GOAL WAS
09/24/09 11:43:39 TO
09/24/09 11:43:40 STREAM LINE PROCESS.
09/24/09 11:43:42 IT IS IMPORTANT TO RECOGNIZE
09/24/09 11:43:44 THIS, YOU HAVE A PROPERTY OWNER
09/24/09 11:43:46 SEEKING ACTION ON THEIR OWN
09/24/09 11:43:47 PROPERTY.
09/24/09 11:43:48 THEY ARE SEEKING TO COME BEFORE
09/24/09 11:43:51 YOU TO BE ABLE TO DO WITH
09/24/09 11:43:51 THEIR
09/24/09 11:43:53 PROPERTY THAT WHICH THEY ARE
09/24/09 11:43:56 ABLE TO DO AND MOVE ALONG
09/24/09 11:43:56 AND
09/24/09 11:43:58 GET REGULATORY APPROVAL.
09/24/09 11:44:01 WHEN IT GOES TO THE BOARD,
09/24/09 11:44:03 DENOVO THEY HAVE A HEARING AND
09/24/09 11:44:05 DON'T GET ANSWERS THEY WANT OR
09/24/09 11:44:07 SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN THEY HAVE TO
09/24/09 11:44:08 APPEAL IT.
09/24/09 11:44:11 IT COMES TO CITY COUNCIL IT
09/24/09 11:44:13 TAKES AWHILE FOR THE RECORD TO
09/24/09 11:44:15 BE PREPARED, TAKES A CAUSE FOR
09/24/09 11:44:16 THE RECORD TO BE PREPARED.
09/24/09 11:44:19 BRING IT TO
09/24/09 11:44:21 CITY COUNCIL AND
09/24/09 11:44:24 STILL WANT FINALITY BUT UNDER A
09/24/09 11:44:25 STRICT REVIEW, IF THERE IS AN
09/24/09 11:44:27 ERROR MADE BY THE LOWER BOARD,
09/24/09 11:44:29 THE REMEDY SHOULD BE TO REMAND
09/24/09 11:44:31 IT TO THE LOWER BOARD FOR THEM
09/24/09 11:44:33 TO CORRECT THEIR ERROR.
09/24/09 11:44:36 BUT IN ORDER TO SPEED THE
09/24/09 11:44:38 PROCESS ALONG THE CODE WAS
09/24/09 11:44:40 AMENDED TO ALLOW CITY COUNCIL
09/24/09 11:44:42 TO MAKE THE DETERMINATION.
09/24/09 11:44:45 IN EFFECT COUNCIL ONE MIGHT
09/24/09 11:44:46 ARGUE REWEIGHING THE EVIDENCE.
09/24/09 11:44:49 YOU CREATE A PROBLEM.
09/24/09 11:44:50 CITY COUNCIL RECOGNIZES THERE
09/24/09 11:44:52 IS A PROBLEM WITH THE APPEALS
09/24/09 11:44:54 PROCESS WHICH IS WHY WE HAVE
09/24/09 11:44:55 THIS WORKSHOP.
09/24/09 11:44:57 I PRESENTED WITH THAT BEING
09/24/09 11:44:58 SAID AS FOUNDATION, AND
09/24/09 11:45:00 UNDERSTANDING OF THE STANDARDS
09/24/09 11:45:03 OF REVIEW, I PREPARED FIVE
09/24/09 11:45:06 DIFFERENT
09/24/09 11:45:10 OPTIONS FOR YOU.
09/24/09 11:45:11 ONE IS LOWER BOARD.
09/24/09 11:45:13 JULIA WILL DISCUSS AT THE END
09/24/09 11:45:16 HOW WE DISCUSS THE
09/24/09 11:45:17 ADMINISTRATOR BOARDS.
09/24/09 11:45:20 WE ARE DISCUSSING, ALC,
09/24/09 11:45:21 BLC.
09/24/09 11:45:24 OPTION ONE IS TO
09/24/09 11:45:25 HAVE LOWER
09/24/09 11:45:26 BOARD'S DENOVO.
09/24/09 11:45:28 ON ALL FIVE OPTIONS THAT IS
09/24/09 11:45:30 LIKE SAYING ALL LOWER BOARDS
09/24/09 11:45:32 COIN TIN YOU THE HEAR THE --
09/24/09 11:45:35 CONTINUE TO HEAR THE
09/24/09 11:45:35 CASES.
09/24/09 11:45:38 HOWEVER CITY
09/24/09 11:45:44 COUNCIL THEN
09/24/09 11:45:46 DUE
09/24/09 11:45:48 PROCESS WAS ACCORDED AND
09/24/09 11:45:51 INCEPTION OF REQUIREMENTS OF
09/24/09 11:45:53 LAW WILL BE OBSERVED.
09/24/09 11:45:55 IN OUR RESEARCH AND WITH JULIA
09/24/09 11:45:56 WORKING WITH THE OUTSIDE
09/24/09 11:45:58 ATTORNEY, WE HAVE LEARNED
09/24/09 11:46:00 RIGHTLY SO AND I THINK BASED ON
09/24/09 11:46:03 YOUR EXPERIENCE, FOR AN ELECTED
09/24/09 11:46:07 OR APPOINTED BODY, THAT IT IS
09/24/09 11:46:07 A
09/24/09 11:46:08 VERY DIFFICULT STANDARD.
09/24/09 11:46:11 I BELIEVE [ VOICE IN THE
09/24/09 11:46:12 BACKGROUND ]
09/24/09 11:46:15 >> YES, WITH THE HYBRIDIZATION,
09/24/09 11:46:17 I THINK COUNCILMEMBER MIRANDA
09/24/09 11:46:19 HAS SAID RIGHTLY SO SEVERAL
09/24/09 11:46:20 TIMES THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS
09/24/09 11:46:22 BEST BEFORE A JUDGE AND THERE
09/24/09 11:46:25 ARE BEST THINGS THAT ARE
09/24/09 11:46:25 BEFORE
09/24/09 11:46:26 A BOARD.
09/24/09 11:46:28 WHAT WE'VE LEARNED FROM OUTSIDE
09/24/09 11:46:30 COUNCIL IS THAT BOARDS SUCH AS
09/24/09 11:46:33 YOURSELF ARE MOVING AWAY,
09/24/09 11:46:37 HAVE
09/24/09 11:46:40 A SERSHARI STANDARD ARE MOVING
09/24/09 11:46:42 AWAY FROM IT BECAUSE IT IS
09/24/09 11:46:43 STRICT AND LEGAL.
09/24/09 11:46:46 IF YOU KEEP IT, WE HAVE TO
09/24/09 11:46:48 AMEND THIS CODE TO KEEP IT
09/24/09 11:46:51 STRICT BECAUSE JUST PUTTING IN
09/24/09 11:46:53 THE WORDS OBSERVING CENTRAL
09/24/09 11:46:55 REQUIREMENTS OF LAW DOES NOT
09/24/09 11:46:57 HAVE SUFFICIENT MEANING FOR
09/24/09 11:47:00 THIS BOARD TO APPLY.
09/24/09 11:47:03 THE RECOGNITION
09/24/09 11:47:04 IS THAT
09/24/09 11:47:06 SERSHARI STANDARD IS FOR A
09/24/09 11:47:07 BOARD TO ABIDE BY WHICH BRINGS
09/24/09 11:47:10 US TO
09/24/09 11:47:14 THE NEXT OPTION.
09/24/09 11:47:17 CITY
09/24/09 11:47:24 COUNCIL
09/24/09 11:47:27 . AGAIN
09/24/09 11:47:30 CITY
09/24/09 11:47:35 COUNCIL TO THIS STANDARD,
09/24/09 11:47:38 OPTION TWO LOWER
09/24/09 11:47:41 BOARD DENOVO.
09/24/09 11:47:43 CITY COUNCIL DENOVO YOU SET IT
09/24/09 11:47:46 ASIDE HEAR IT ALL OVER AGAIN.
09/24/09 11:47:49 OPTION THREE, FOR
09/24/09 11:47:53 THE LOWER
09/24/09 11:47:55 BOARD YOU HAVE THE HEARING
09/24/09 11:47:57 OFFICER, PREFERABLY AN ATTORNEY
09/24/09 11:48:00 OR SOMEONE WITH STANDARDS TO
09/24/09 11:48:02 APPLY THAT STANDARD AND THEN
09/24/09 11:48:03 DETERMINE WHETHER THERE WAS ANY
09/24/09 11:48:05 ERROR BY THE LOWER BOARD AND IF
09/24/09 11:48:07 THERE WAS ANY ERROR BY THE
09/24/09 11:48:09 LOWER BOARD IT WOULD GET
09/24/09 11:48:09 REMANDED.
09/24/09 11:48:12 IF NOT IT WOULD BE UPHELD AND
09/24/09 11:48:15 THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE TO GO
09/24/09 11:48:16 TO
09/24/09 11:48:19 CIRCUIT COURT AND HAVE THEM
09/24/09 11:48:19 REVIEW THE DECISION.
09/24/09 11:48:22 OPTION FOUR HAVE A LOWER
09/24/09 11:48:23 BOARD
09/24/09 11:48:25 HERE AT DENOVO THEN IF THERE IS
09/24/09 11:48:28 AN APPEAL HAVE IT BROUGHT
09/24/09 11:48:29 TO A
09/24/09 11:48:32 HEARING OFFICER
09/24/09 11:48:33 FOR A DENOVO
09/24/09 11:48:34 APPEAL AND HAVE THE HEARING
09/24/09 11:48:37 OFFICER HEAR ALL THE FACTCOME
09/24/09 11:48:38 UP WITH A RECOMMENDED ORDER.
09/24/09 11:48:42 THE HEARING OFFICER
09/24/09 11:48:42 WOULD THEN
09/24/09 11:48:45 MAKE FINDINGS OF FACT,
09/24/09 11:48:46 APPLY
09/24/09 11:48:48 THE LAW, AND THEN APPLY A
09/24/09 11:48:51 RECOMMENDED ORDER TO CITY
09/24/09 11:48:51 COUNCIL.
09/24/09 11:48:53 THEN WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IS THAT
09/24/09 11:48:55 THEY WOULD REVIEW THAT ORDER AT
09/24/09 11:48:57 A HEARING, AND BE ABLE TO
09/24/09 11:48:59 COMMENT ON THAT ORDER AND MAKE
09/24/09 11:49:02 AN ENTRY OF
09/24/09 11:49:05 THE FINAL ORDER.
09/24/09 11:49:08 THAT WOULD ALSO BE
09/24/09 11:49:11 APPEALABLE
09/24/09 11:49:12 TO CIRCUIT COURT.
09/24/09 11:49:13 AND FINALLY, OPTION FIVE WOULD
09/24/09 11:49:16 BE TO HAVE LOWER BOARD
09/24/09 11:49:19 HERE
09/24/09 11:49:21 ATDENOVO AND BYPASS CITY
09/24/09 11:49:24 COUNCIL, HAVE IT GO DIRECTLY
09/24/09 11:49:25 TO
09/24/09 11:49:27 CIRCUIT COURT FOR DETERMINATION
09/24/09 11:49:29 BY A JUDGE WHETHER THEY MADE
09/24/09 11:49:30 ANY ERRORS.
09/24/09 11:49:32 THAT --THOSE ARE FIVE OF THES
09/24/09 11:49:35 ONS I AM SURE OTHER OPTIONS CAN
09/24/09 11:49:37 COME UP, CAN BE THOUGHT UP AND
09/24/09 11:49:37 COME UP WITH.
09/24/09 11:49:40 THOSE ARE FOR
09/24/09 11:49:41 STARTING THE
09/24/09 11:49:42 DISCUSSION.
09/24/09 11:49:43 COUNCIL, FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION
09/24/09 11:49:46 THERE ARE SEVERAL FACTORS
09/24/09 11:49:47 THAT
09/24/09 11:49:49 NEED TO BE CONTEMPLATED.
09/24/09 11:49:51 THESE ARE NOT THE ONLY FACTORS
09/24/09 11:49:54 BUT AS A BASIS FOR THE START OF
09/24/09 11:49:57 DISCUSSION, ONE OF THE FACTORS
09/24/09 11:49:57 IS TIME.
09/24/09 11:50:00 AND YOU HEARD ME
09/24/09 11:50:02 RAISE IT
09/24/09 11:50:02 PREVIOUSLY.
09/24/09 11:50:05 I AM LOOKING AT TIME I WANT
09/24/09 11:50:05 TO
09/24/09 11:50:07 MOVE VERY QUICKLY BECAUSE
09/24/09 11:50:10 PEOPLE NEED TO HAVE
09/24/09 11:50:11 DECISIONS
09/24/09 11:50:12 MADE QUICKLY.
09/24/09 11:50:15 PEOPLE WANT DECISIONS TO BE
09/24/09 11:50:15 MADE QUICKLY.
09/24/09 11:50:18 PEOPLE WANT FINALITY
09/24/09 11:50:21 IN THEIR
09/24/09 11:50:21 DECISIONS.
09/24/09 11:50:24 TO CONSIDER IN
09/24/09 11:50:25 TIME, FOR DENOVO
09/24/09 11:50:27 REVIEW AND COUNCIL WILL
09/24/09 11:50:30 REMEMBER, SOME COUNCIL MEMBERS
09/24/09 11:50:33 WILL REMEMBER WHEN
09/24/09 11:50:33 THEY HEARD
09/24/09 11:50:34 EVERYTHING DENOVO AND THOSE
09/24/09 11:50:37 WERE LONG HEARINGS WHICH IS WHY
09/24/09 11:50:41 COUNCIL MOVED
09/24/09 11:50:44 TO THE
09/24/09 11:50:44 SERSHERARI
09/24/09 11:50:44 STANDARD.
09/24/09 11:50:47 THIS REVIEW ALSO HAS THE
09/24/09 11:50:48 TIME
09/24/09 11:50:50 IT TAKES THE PETITIONER TO MAKE
09/24/09 11:50:53 THE REVIEW AND FOR
09/24/09 11:50:54 COUNCIL,
09/24/09 11:50:55 THEY KNOW HOW MUCH TIME IT
09/24/09 11:50:57 TAKES FOR THE BOARD TO REVIEW
09/24/09 11:50:59 THE RECORD PRIOR TO A HEARING.
09/24/09 11:51:03 IN ORDER TO
09/24/09 11:51:05 FOLLOW THE SERSHARI
09/24/09 11:51:07 STANDARD YOU NEED TO REVIEW THE
09/24/09 11:51:07 RECORD.
09/24/09 11:51:09 COUNCIL YOU KNOW SOME TIMES IN
09/24/09 11:51:10 YOUR PAST EXPERIENCE HOW LARGE
09/24/09 11:51:13 THAT RECORD IS THAT YOU ARE
09/24/09 11:51:15 CHARGED WITH REVIEWING PRIOR TO
09/24/09 11:51:16 MAKING A DECISION.
09/24/09 11:51:20 THE OTHER
09/24/09 11:51:21 FACTORS FOR
09/24/09 11:51:24 CONSIDERATION ARE
09/24/09 11:51:25 COST.
09/24/09 11:51:26 FOR DENOVO REVIEW, THERE IS
09/24/09 11:51:28 MUCH LESS COST BECAUSE THE COST
09/24/09 11:51:31 OF A RECORD IS VERY EXPENSIVE
09/24/09 11:51:33 FOR AN APPLICANT TO PREPARE.
09/24/09 11:51:36 I HAVE HEARD ESTIMATES
09/24/09 11:51:38 OF 1500
09/24/09 11:51:39 TO $2,000 JUST IN REPRODUCTION
09/24/09 11:51:42 COSTS FOR A NORMAL HEARING.
09/24/09 11:51:45 THAT PEOPLE HAVE TO
09/24/09 11:51:45 SPEND
09/24/09 11:51:47 BECAUSE IN ORDER FOR THEM TO
09/24/09 11:51:49 COMPLY WITH THE CODE FOR YOU TO
09/24/09 11:51:52 HAVE THE RECORD THERE HAS
09/24/09 11:51:52 TO BE
09/24/09 11:51:55 AT LEAST 7 COPIES, A COPY FOR
09/24/09 11:51:56 ME AND FOR THE CLERK.
09/24/09 11:51:59 THAT IS
09/24/09 11:52:02 JUST DUPLICATION
09/24/09 11:52:04 COST.
09/24/09 11:52:07 THE OTHER COSTS IS
09/24/09 11:52:10 THE
09/24/09 11:52:12 COST OF
09/24/09 11:52:13 REPRESENTATIVE, PETITIONERS
09/24/09 11:52:13 REPRESENTATIVE, APPLICANT IF
09/24/09 11:52:15 THEY HIRE AN ATTORNEY THERE IS
09/24/09 11:52:15 A COST IN THAT.
09/24/09 11:52:18 AND IF WE TALK ABOUT COST, WE
09/24/09 11:52:20 TALK ABOUT GOING TO A HEARING
09/24/09 11:52:21 OFFICER, THERE IS OBVIOUSLY THE
09/24/09 11:52:23 NEED TO TALK ABOUT HOW WE PAY
09/24/09 11:52:25 FOR THAT HEARING OFFICER.
09/24/09 11:52:27 JULIA AND I CAN DISCUSS THAT
09/24/09 11:52:27 WITH YOU.
09/24/09 11:52:28 THERE IS ONE MORE IMPORTANT
09/24/09 11:52:29 POINT YOU PROBABLY WON'T SEE IT
09/24/09 11:52:33 IF YOU ARE SEEING IT ON
09/24/09 11:52:33 CLOSED
09/24/09 11:52:35 CAPTIONING BUT I WILL PUT IT
09/24/09 11:52:37 RIGHT HERE BUT JUST DO BACK A
09/24/09 11:52:38 PAGE IF YOU CAN.
09/24/09 11:52:40 --GO BACK A PAGE IF YOU CAN.
09/24/09 11:52:42 SO MUCH FOR HIGH TECH.
09/24/09 11:52:45 WHEN WE TALK ABOUT COST, WE
09/24/09 11:52:48 HAVE TO TALK ABOUT COST
09/24/09 11:52:49 AVOIDANCE.
09/24/09 11:52:51 IT IS VERY EASY TO DETERMINE
09/24/09 11:52:54 HOW MUCH SOMETHING --
09/24/09 11:52:56 RELATIVELY EASY TO DETERMINE
09/24/09 11:52:59 HOW MUCH SOMETHING COSTS.
09/24/09 11:53:01 IT IS DIFFICULT TO DETERMINE
09/24/09 11:53:03 HOW MUCH SOMETHING SAVES.
09/24/09 11:53:06 PART OF MY ROLE AS YOUR
09/24/09 11:53:06 CITY
09/24/09 11:53:07 COUNCIL ATTORNEY, LEGAL
09/24/09 11:53:10 COUNCIL'S ROLE IS COST
09/24/09 11:53:11 AVOIDANCE.
09/24/09 11:53:12 AVOIDANCE OF COST OF
09/24/09 11:53:14 LITIGATION, AVOIDANCE OF THE
09/24/09 11:53:16 COST OF A SETTLEMENT THAT WOULD
09/24/09 11:53:20 BE THE OPPOSITE PERHAPS OF WHAT
09/24/09 11:53:22 CITY COUNCIL'S INTENTION IS.
09/24/09 11:53:23 ULTIMATELY COUNCIL THE GOAL
09/24/09 11:53:26 HERE AS IS ALWAYS MY GOAL, IS
09/24/09 11:53:29 TO MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER
09/24/09 11:53:31 DECISION THIS BOARD MAKES,
09/24/09 11:53:31 STANDS.
09/24/09 11:53:35 AND IF IT IS CHALLENGED, IT
09/24/09 11:53:35 IS
09/24/09 11:53:36 UPHELD ON APPEAL.
09/24/09 11:53:37 >> THANK YOU.
09/24/09 11:53:40 >> THAT IS THE
09/24/09 11:53:41 GOAL.
09/24/09 11:53:44 THAT IS THE REASON THAT I AM
09/24/09 11:53:45 HERE TODAY SO WHEN WE TALK
09/24/09 11:53:48 ABOUT COST NOW WE HAVE TO
09/24/09 11:53:49 TALK
09/24/09 11:53:52 ABOUT ACTUAL COST BUT COST THAT
09/24/09 11:53:54 WOULD COME IF COUNCIL TOOK NO
09/24/09 11:53:55 ACTION ON THIS.
09/24/09 11:53:58 I AM ASKING COUNCIL
09/24/09 11:53:59 TO BEGIN
09/24/09 11:54:00 THIS DISCUSSION, THERE ARE
09/24/09 11:54:03 THINGS IN THE CODE WE
09/24/09 11:54:03 RECOGNIZE
09/24/09 11:54:04 FROM COUNCIL'S EXPERIENCE.
09/24/09 11:54:05 I HAVE LEARNED FROM YOUR PAIN
09/24/09 11:54:08 THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO IMPROVE.
09/24/09 11:54:08 I PRESENT YOU.
09/24/09 11:54:11 I WILL PUT THIS ON THE ELMO SO
09/24/09 11:54:14 THE PUBLIC
09/24/09 11:54:17 CAN
09/24/09 11:54:20 SEE
09/24/09 11:54:23 THIS, IT
09/24/09 11:54:27 IS
09/24/09 11:54:30 VERY
09/24/09 11:54:32 SIMPLE MATRIX.
09/24/09 11:54:33 THERE WE GO.
09/24/09 11:54:33 VERY SIMPLE MATRIX.
09/24/09 11:54:35 WHAT I LIST ARE THE FIVE
09/24/09 11:54:38 OPTIONS YOU HAVE, BOXES FOR
09/24/09 11:54:38 ADVANTAGES, AND DISADVANTAGES.
09/24/09 11:54:41 I AM NOT HERE TODAY TO OFFER
09/24/09 11:54:42 YOU ANY RECOMMENDATIONS AS TO
09/24/09 11:54:42 THIS.
09/24/09 11:54:46 THIS IS A POLICY
09/24/09 11:54:46 DECISION OF
09/24/09 11:54:47 CITY COUNCIL.
09/24/09 11:54:49 I WOULD BE WILLING TO ASSIST
09/24/09 11:54:52 YOU ANY WAY I CAN, I DO
09/24/09 11:54:53 ALSO
09/24/09 11:54:55 SHARE WITH MISS COLE THE NEED
09/24/09 11:54:58 TO ADDRESS ISSUES
09/24/09 11:55:00 OF ZONING
09/24/09 11:55:00 ADMINISTRATIVE DETERMINATIONONE
09/24/09 11:55:03 ISSUE WE NEED TO ADDRESS
09/24/09 11:55:06 QUICKLY WITH 2 MINUTES I
09/24/09 11:55:09 HAVE
09/24/09 11:55:09 REMAINING.
09/24/09 11:55:11 [ VOICES IN THE BACKGROUND ]
09/24/09 11:55:13 >> COUNCIL I AM SORRY TO TAKE
09/24/09 11:55:15 SO MUCH TIME.
09/24/09 11:55:16 ONE OTHER ISSUE WE NEED TO
09/24/09 11:55:16 DISCUSS.
09/24/09 11:55:18 YOU HAVE AMENDED YOUR
09/24/09 11:55:19 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
09/24/09 11:55:21 THERE ARE GOING TO PERHAPS SOME
09/24/09 11:55:24 TIME SOON BE REQUESTS FOR
09/24/09 11:55:27 DETERMINATIONS
09/24/09 11:55:28 OF VESTED
09/24/09 11:55:28 RIGHTS.
09/24/09 11:55:30 THE PROCESS WE HAVE WITHIN OUR
09/24/09 11:55:32 CODE FOR VESTED RIGHT
09/24/09 11:55:34 DETERMINATION ALSO NEEDS TO BE
09/24/09 11:55:35 AMENDED AND WILL BE ASKING YOU
09/24/09 11:55:36 TO ADDRESS THAT AT THE END.
09/24/09 11:55:38 NOW I AM SORRY FOR TAKING SO
09/24/09 11:55:40 MUCH TIME BUT I WANTED TO GIVE
09/24/09 11:55:42 YOU THE FRAMEWORK IN WHICH TO
09/24/09 11:55:43 BEGIN YOUR DISCUSSION.
09/24/09 11:55:43 THANK YOU.
09/24/09 11:55:45 >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09/24/09 11:55:47 THE ISSUE BEFORE WE MOVE
09/24/09 11:55:47 FORWARD IS TIME.
09/24/09 11:55:50 IT IS NOW 5
09/24/09 11:55:52 MINUTES TO 12.
09/24/09 11:55:53 SO YOU KNOW.
09/24/09 11:55:54 >> WE WILL KEEP IT SHORT.
09/24/09 11:55:56 >> I HAVE A NIGHT MEETING
09/24/09 11:55:56 TONIGHT.
09/24/09 11:55:59 DO YOU WANT TO GO TO ABOUT.
09/24/09 11:56:01 >> AT LEAST FIVE PEOPLE
09/24/09 11:56:03 REPRESENT 15 MINUTES.
09/24/09 11:56:04 >> 12:15.
09/24/09 11:56:06 >> WE WILL HAVE OUR OWN
09/24/09 11:56:06 DISCUSSION TOO.
09/24/09 11:56:07 >> I WOULD RATHER BREAK FOR
09/24/09 11:56:08 LUNCH AND COME BACK
09/24/09 11:56:11 >> I CAN'T COME BACK THIS
09/24/09 11:56:12 AFTERNOON.
09/24/09 11:56:13 >> BACK AT 1:30 P.M.
09/24/09 11:56:15 >> LET'S GO TO 12:15 P.M.
09/24/09 11:56:18 AND SEE WHERE WE ARE.
09/24/09 11:56:18 >> OKAY.
09/24/09 11:56:19 >> THANK YOU.
09/24/09 11:56:20 WHEN YOU LOOK AT THESE OPTIONS,
09/24/09 11:56:23 I AM JUST GOING TO PICK ONE
09/24/09 11:56:26 OPTION 2, LOWER BOARD, DENOVO.
09/24/09 11:56:29 TIME IS OF ESSENCE TO ALL OF US
09/24/09 11:56:30 AND MEANS MONEY.
09/24/09 11:56:32 EVEN IN REZONINGS WE GIVE A
09/24/09 11:56:33 PARTY PRESENTATION SO MUCH
09/24/09 11:56:36 TIME, WE GIVE THE PUBLIC SO
09/24/09 11:56:38 MUCH TIME AND THEN THE 5 MINUTE
09/24/09 11:56:39 REBUTTAL.
09/24/09 11:56:40 I DON'T SEE WHY WE CAN'T COME
09/24/09 11:56:43 TO SOME AGREEMENT ON TIME
09/24/09 11:56:44 ON A
09/24/09 11:56:47 COUNCIL DENOVO COMING TO A
09/24/09 11:56:47 10
09/24/09 11:56:50 MINUTE ON EACH SIDE
09/24/09 11:56:52 OR WHATEVER
09/24/09 11:56:55 COUNCIL COMES TO.
09/24/09 11:56:58 COST, I LIKE TO LOOK AT
09/24/09 11:56:59 THE
09/24/09 11:56:59 COST.
09/24/09 11:57:02 IT COULD BE $200 AN HOUR,
09/24/09 11:57:02 $50
09/24/09 11:57:04 AN HOUR, $350 AN HOUR FOR A
09/24/09 11:57:07 HEARING OFFICER, I THINK BEFORE
09/24/09 11:57:09 WE MAKE DETERMINATION, WE HAVE
09/24/09 11:57:12 TO HAVE MORE OF THE KNOWLEDGE
09/24/09 11:57:13 OF WHAT THIS OTHER JURISDICTION
09/24/09 11:57:15 MAY BE DOING AS FAR AS COST.
09/24/09 11:57:17 THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE HAVE TO DO
09/24/09 11:57:20 WHAT THEY DO, BUT AT
09/24/09 11:57:23 LEAST
09/24/09 11:57:25 WE
09/24/09 11:57:27 WOULD GET A SUMMARY OF THE COST
09/24/09 11:57:29 IF WE CHANGE.
09/24/09 11:57:31 DENOVO WOULD GIVE SO MUCH TIME
09/24/09 11:57:32 TO THE PETITION INNER AND WHO
09/24/09 11:57:33 THE OTHER SIDE MAY BE.
09/24/09 11:57:36 THAT COULD BE HANDLES IN AN
09/24/09 11:57:37 EFFECTIVE MANNER.
09/24/09 11:57:38 >> THANK YOU.
09/24/09 11:57:40 >> I LEFT LAST NIGHT AND HAD
09/24/09 11:57:41 ALL MY STUFF WITH ME AND I WAS
09/24/09 11:57:43 WALKING OUT THE DOOR BECAUSE I
09/24/09 11:57:44 THOUGHT IT WAS THURSDAY.
09/24/09 11:57:46 SO I TOOK MY BUDGET BOOKS HOME
09/24/09 11:57:47 BUT I BROUGHT THEM BACK SO WHAT
09/24/09 11:57:50 I WOULD LIKE
09/24/09 11:57:53 TO HEAR FROM SOME
09/24/09 11:57:55 BODY, I DON'T THINK CHIP IS
09/24/09 11:57:55 HERE.
09/24/09 11:57:58 I WOULD LIKE TO SEE HOW MUCH
09/24/09 11:57:59 MONEY SAY WE'VE GOT THOSE THREE
09/24/09 11:58:02 YEARS, IT IS PROBABLY NOT IN
09/24/09 11:58:04 THE BUDGET BREAK DOWN BUT OUGHT
09/24/09 11:58:04 TO BE.
09/24/09 11:58:07 HOW MUCH HAVE WE SPENT ON
09/24/09 11:58:08 AT
09/24/09 11:58:11 LEAST ON
09/24/09 11:58:14 CONTRACTUAL ATTORNEY
09/24/09 11:58:17 FEES FOR LITIGATION BASED
09/24/09 11:58:22 ON
09/24/09 11:58:25 THESE SCENARIOS?
09/24/09 11:58:28 >>
09/24/09 11:58:31 I HAVE HAD AN
09/24/09 11:58:32 OPPORTUNITY TO
09/24/09 11:58:33 LOOK AT SEVERAL JURISDICTIONS.
09/24/09 11:58:35 I CAN TALK ABOUT THAT NOW IF
09/24/09 11:58:36 YOU WOULD LIKE.
09/24/09 11:58:39 I THINK IN LOOKING THROUGH
09/24/09 11:58:41 OPTIONS, THE OPTION RELATING TO
09/24/09 11:58:42 THIS RECOMMENDED HEARING --
09/24/09 11:58:45 ORDER OUT OF A HEARING
09/24/09 11:58:46 OFFICER,
09/24/09 11:58:47 IS SOMETHING ORLANDO DOES TODAY
09/24/09 11:58:48 AND IT IS NOT FOR EVERY CASE.
09/24/09 11:58:51 IT IS ONLY FOR CERTAIN KINDS OF
09/24/09 11:58:52 CASES.
09/24/09 11:58:53 ET CETERA PERSONALLY CASE THAT
09/24/09 11:58:56 IS HAVE A --ESPECIALLY CASES
09/24/09 11:58:59 THAT HAVE A LEGAL
09/24/09 11:58:59 ISSUE
09/24/09 11:59:00 ASSOCIATED WITH THEM.
09/24/09 11:59:01 THOSE DO TEND TO FIRST OF ALL
09/24/09 11:59:04 TEND TO BE THE MORE DIFFICULT
09/24/09 11:59:05 AND COMPLICATED CASES THAT COME
09/24/09 11:59:06 BEFORE YOU.
09/24/09 11:59:08 SECOND OF ALL HAVE MOST
09/24/09 11:59:09 POTENTIAL FOR LIABILITY.
09/24/09 11:59:11 WE CAN ANALYZE THAT IN THE
09/24/09 11:59:13 CONTEXT OF WHAT A HEARING
09/24/09 11:59:14 OFFICER WOULD COST AS WELL AS
09/24/09 11:59:16 THE COST ASSOCIATED WITH FILING
09/24/09 11:59:18 AN APPEAL WHICH I DIDN'T REALLY
09/24/09 11:59:20 REALIZE IS QUITE SUBSTANTIAL
09/24/09 11:59:23 ESPECIALLY ON THE
09/24/09 11:59:25 KINDS OF
09/24/09 11:59:27 CASES THAT REALLY CAUSE THE
09/24/09 11:59:28 POST POTENTIAL LIABILITY
09/24/09 11:59:28 ISSUES.
09/24/09 11:59:31 THEY TEND TO COME THROUGH THE
09/24/09 11:59:31 ZONING ADMINISTRATOR.
09/24/09 11:59:33 AFTER WE HEAR FROM EVERYONE ONE
09/24/09 11:59:34 THING I MIGHT SUGGEST WE GO
09/24/09 11:59:36 AHEAD AND MAYBE SET THIS OFF
09/24/09 11:59:38 FOR ANOTHER WORKSHOP AND ALLOW
09/24/09 11:59:40 LEGAL DEPARTMENT TO MAYBE COME
09/24/09 11:59:41 FORWARD WITH RECOMMENDED CODE
09/24/09 11:59:43 CHANGES ALONG THOSE LINES AS
09/24/09 11:59:45 WELL ADDS SOME COSTS.
09/24/09 11:59:45 >> OKAY.
09/24/09 11:59:47 AND IF WE ARE GOING TO DO THAT
09/24/09 11:59:50 JULIE, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO
09/24/09 11:59:51 SEE
09/24/09 11:59:54 A BREAK DOWN
09/24/09 12:00:00 OF OUR
09/24/09 12:00:05 .
09/24/09 12:00:08 >> THIS MAY BE FOR
09/24/09 12:00:10 COUNCILMEMBER SCOTT.
09/24/09 12:00:13 WE HAVE
09/24/09 12:00:14 ZONING ADMINISTRATOR, I
09/24/09 12:00:17 AM THINKING IN THE COUNTY,
09/24/09 12:00:17 DO
09/24/09 12:00:20 YOU HAVE SIMILAR --DO
09/24/09 12:00:21 THE
09/24/09 12:00:23 APPEALS --DID THEY WHEN --
09/24/09 12:00:26 OKAY WHEN DO APPEALS GO --
09/24/09 12:00:29 THESE KIND OF APPEALS,
09/24/09 12:00:29 THE
09/24/09 12:00:30 ZONING ADMINISTRATOR APPEALS DO
09/24/09 12:00:33 THEY HAVE
09/24/09 12:00:34 A ZONING
09/24/09 12:00:34 ADMINISTRATOR?
09/24/09 12:00:36 [ TALKING OVER EACH OTHER ]
09/24/09 12:00:38 >> I AM CURIOUS HOW WE COMPARE
09/24/09 12:00:39 BECAUSE I GUESS MY QUESTION,
09/24/09 12:00:40 THIS IS A HARD QUESTION TO ASK
09/24/09 12:00:43 BECAUSE IT IS
09/24/09 12:00:44 QUESTIONING
09/24/09 12:00:46 EVERYTHING WE DO, BUT ALL OF
09/24/09 12:00:49 THESE START OUT WITH A LOWER
09/24/09 12:00:50 BOARD.
09/24/09 12:00:50 ARE THERE MUNICIPALITIES,
09/24/09 12:00:54 COUNTIES WHERE IT
09/24/09 12:00:54 WOULD START
09/24/09 12:00:57 WITH COMMISSION OR
09/24/09 12:00:58 COUNCIL
09/24/09 12:00:58 FIRST?
09/24/09 12:00:58 OR --
09/24/09 12:01:01 >> THE --I WILL TELL YOU,
09/24/09 12:01:03 THIS IS THE WAY THE CITY OF
09/24/09 12:01:05 TAMPA HANDLES THESE IS UNIQUE.
09/24/09 12:01:08 I WAS ASSISTANT COUNTY ATTORNEY
09/24/09 12:01:10 FOR 7 YEARAFTER THAT
09/24/09 12:01:11 REPRESENTED LOCAL GOVERNMENTS.
09/24/09 12:01:14 I HAVE HAD A BROADWAY TO LOOK
09/24/09 12:01:16 AT HOW OTHER LOCAL GOVERNMENTS
09/24/09 12:01:19 HANDLE QUASI JUDICIAL PROCESS.
09/24/09 12:01:21 TAMPA IS UNIQUE.
09/24/09 12:01:22 COUNTY COMMISSION NEVER HEARS
09/24/09 12:01:24 VARIANCES, THOSE GO TO A
09/24/09 12:01:27 HEARING OFFICER THEN BOARD OF
09/24/09 12:01:27 APPEALS.
09/24/09 12:01:29 ZONING ADMINISTRATOR GO TO A
09/24/09 12:01:32 HEARING OFFICER AS FINAL
09/24/09 12:01:32 DECISION.
09/24/09 12:01:35 THE ONLY MATTERS THAT A COUNTY
09/24/09 12:01:36 COMMISSION HARES ARE ZONING.
09/24/09 12:01:39 EVERYTHING ELSE GOES TO A
09/24/09 12:01:39 ZONING OFFICER.
09/24/09 12:01:40 PGH
09/24/09 12:01:43 >> THAT IS NOT WHAT I
09/24/09 12:01:43 AM
09/24/09 12:01:44 ASKING.
09/24/09 12:01:45 I AM ASKING ABOUT OUR --DO
09/24/09 12:01:48 THEY --THEY HAVE A SIMILAR
09/24/09 12:01:49 ZONING ADMINISTRATOR.
09/24/09 12:01:51 >> THEY DO.
09/24/09 12:01:54 >> PAUL WILL [ OVERLAPPING ]
09/24/09 12:01:55 >> HEARING OFFICER.
09/24/09 12:01:56 >> THAT'S CORRECT.
09/24/09 12:01:59 >> THEY DON'T HAVE
09/24/09 12:01:59 HISTORIC
09/24/09 12:02:00 PRESERVATION.
09/24/09 12:02:01 >> THEY HAVE IT BUT BECAUSE I
09/24/09 12:02:02 REPRESENTED THEM BUT THEY DON'T
09/24/09 12:02:04 HAVE A LOT OF THINGS THAT COME
09/24/09 12:02:06 BEFORE THEM.
09/24/09 12:02:09 >> THEY HAVE THAT AND
09/24/09 12:02:12 --OKAY.
09/24/09 12:02:13 AND THE VARIANCE HOW DO THEY
09/24/09 12:02:14 DEAL WITH THAT.
09/24/09 12:02:15 >> LAND USE VARIANCE.
09/24/09 12:02:17 >> HEARING OFFICER NOT A
09/24/09 12:02:18 VOLUNTEER BOARD.
09/24/09 12:02:18 >> THAT'S CORRECT.
09/24/09 12:02:21 THEY HAVE A VOLUNTEER BOARD
09/24/09 12:02:24 THAT APPEALS HEARINGS FROM A
09/24/09 12:02:24 HEARING OFFICER.
09/24/09 12:02:25 >> OKAY.
09/24/09 12:02:26 >> THIS IS INTERESTING I MEAN
09/24/09 12:02:29 NOT THAT WE HAVE TO DO
09/24/09 12:02:32 WHAT
09/24/09 12:02:32 THE
09/24/09 12:02:35 COUNTY
09/24/09 12:02:38 IS DOING
09/24/09 12:02:44 BUT WE
09/24/09 12:02:46 NEED TO
09/24/09 12:02:49 DO A LOT OF THOUGHT
09/24/09 12:02:52 AND
09/24/09 12:02:57 READING
09/24/09 12:03:00 AND RESEARCH
09/24/09 12:03:01 .
09/24/09 12:03:03 >> I HAVE HEARD FROM YOU AND
09/24/09 12:03:05 MARTY WE ARE THE ONLY CITY THAT
09/24/09 12:03:06 DOES THING THIS IS WAY.
09/24/09 12:03:09 WHAT ARE THOSE THINGS THAT
09/24/09 12:03:10 WE
09/24/09 12:03:12 DO THAT NO OTHER CITY DOES IN
09/24/09 12:03:13 THIS PROCESS.
09/24/09 12:03:16 YOU MAY NEED TO COME
09/24/09 12:03:16 BACK.
09/24/09 12:03:18 >> I THINK --I THINK THAT
09/24/09 12:03:20 MAYBE GIVEN THE TIME LET'S HEAR
09/24/09 12:03:23 FROM FOLKS ON
09/24/09 12:03:26 THIS ISSUE.
09/24/09 12:03:29 YOU
09/24/09 12:03:32 MAY RECALL
09/24/09 12:03:41 FROM OUR
09/24/09 12:03:41 GENERAL
09/24/09 12:03:43 VARIANCE PROCESS I THINK THAT
09/24/09 12:03:46 MAY ACTUALLY START TO FORMULATE
09/24/09 12:03:49 AN APPROACH TO THIS THAT MAY BE
09/24/09 12:03:49 VALUABLE FOR EVERYONE PGH
09/24/09 12:03:52 >> LET ME --CAN
09/24/09 12:03:54 I ASK ONE
09/24/09 12:03:56 QUICK --I WANT TO ASK YOU TO
09/24/09 12:03:59 DO THIS WHEN WE COME BACK.
09/24/09 12:04:01 MAYBE WE CAN HAVE SOME EXAMPLES
09/24/09 12:04:03 AND MAYBE JUST BASED ON THE
09/24/09 12:04:06 APPEALS PROCESS, OF
09/24/09 12:04:09 CITIES,
09/24/09 12:04:10 YOU
09/24/09 12:04:10 KNOW,.
09/24/09 12:04:12 >> COMPARABLE CITYS TO TAMPA.
09/24/09 12:04:14 >> IF THEY WILL TELL YOU HOW
09/24/09 12:04:15 MUCH THEIR LEGAL BILLS ARE
09/24/09 12:04:16 >>
09/24/09 12:04:18 I WILL TELL YOU THAT --WHEN I
09/24/09 12:04:21 ORIGINALLY BEGAN THIS
09/24/09 12:04:22 DISCUSSION, IT WAS MY HOPE TO
09/24/09 12:04:24 HAVE A DISCUSSION OF VARIOUS
09/24/09 12:04:24 BOARDS.
09/24/09 12:04:26 THERE WERE A LOT OF BOARDS
09/24/09 12:04:29 VOLUNTEER BOARDS THAT HAVE A
09/24/09 12:04:30 LOT OF OVERLAPPING FUNCTIONS.
09/24/09 12:04:33 AND THAT IS VERY UNIQUE TO THE
09/24/09 12:04:33 CITY OF TAMPA.
09/24/09 12:04:36 TO HAVE AS MANY BOARDS AS YOU
09/24/09 12:04:39 DO TO DISCUSS THINGS
09/24/09 12:04:40 LIKE
09/24/09 12:04:41 VARIANCES.
09/24/09 12:04:41 >> OKAY.
09/24/09 12:04:44 >> LET ME JUST SAY
09/24/09 12:04:45 OF COURSE,
09/24/09 12:04:48 WORKING WITH THE COUNTY
09/24/09 12:04:50 COMMISSION SYSTEM, WE HAD THIS
09/24/09 12:04:52 DISCUSSION AND ACTUALLY WHEN I
09/24/09 12:04:54 FIRST CAME OVER, IT WASN'T
09/24/09 12:04:54 OVERWHELMING.
09/24/09 12:04:57 >> DIDN'T GO VERY LONG.
09/24/09 12:04:59 >> YOU KNOW AT THAT TIME WE WAS
09/24/09 12:05:02 TALKING ABOUT A HEARING ACROSS
09/24/09 12:05:03 THE BOARD.
09/24/09 12:05:04 HERE YOU ARE ONLY TALKING ABOUT
09/24/09 12:05:04 APPEALS.
09/24/09 12:05:07 THAT IS THE DIFFERENCE THIS
09/24/09 12:05:08 TIME.
09/24/09 12:05:09 ZONING, TALKING ABOUT FOR ONLY
09/24/09 12:05:10 YOUR APPEALS.
09/24/09 12:05:12 I WILL TELL YOU GIVEN THE FACT
09/24/09 12:05:14 THAT NOT ANY OF US ARE
09/24/09 12:05:15 ATTORNEYS AND ONLY JOHN THAT
09/24/09 12:05:18 YOU ARE TALKING
09/24/09 12:05:21 ABOUT LEGAL
09/24/09 12:05:23 ISSUES THAT IS WHY THIS END UP
09/24/09 12:05:25 IN COURT AND MANY TIMES GET
09/24/09 12:05:27 OVER TURNED BECAUSE YOU ARE
09/24/09 12:05:30 TALKING ABOUT
09/24/09 12:05:33 A WHOLE
09/24/09 12:05:37 LEGAL
09/24/09 12:05:38 PROCESS.
09/24/09 12:05:40 OUR FAVOUR NUMBER FOUR FROM
09/24/09 12:05:42 THIS STAND POINT REALLY HEARS
09/24/09 12:05:43 THE WHOLE PROCESS.
09/24/09 12:05:44 GO THROUGH IT AND GIVE
09/24/09 12:05:46 RECOMMENDATION FROM HIS INPUT.
09/24/09 12:05:47 CITY COUNCIL REVIEW, THAT IS
09/24/09 12:05:50 SIMILAR WHAT THE BOARD OF
09/24/09 12:05:50 COUNTY WHICH I SHALL DO NOW.
09/24/09 12:05:54 THEY HAVE A HEARING OFFICE
09/24/09 12:05:56 --
09/24/09 12:05:56 COUNTY COMMISSION DO.
09/24/09 12:05:58 THEY HAVE A HEARING OFFICE FOR
09/24/09 12:05:59 THIS.
09/24/09 12:06:01 IT WORKS IN FAVOUR OF THE
09/24/09 12:06:03 CITIZENS WHEN YOU ARE THERE AND
09/24/09 12:06:06 EVERY CITIZEN GET OPPORTUNISTIC
09/24/09 12:06:08 SOME TIMES, 2 OR 3:00 A.M.
09/24/09 12:06:08 IN THE MORNING.
09/24/09 12:06:09 EXACTLY WHAT YOU ARE DOING NOW
09/24/09 12:06:11 YOU HAVE YOUR HEARINGS ON YOUR
09/24/09 12:06:14 OWN YOU DOING WHAT YOUR HEARING
09/24/09 12:06:14 OFFICER DOES.
09/24/09 12:06:16 EVERY CITIZEN GET OFF TO GET A
09/24/09 12:06:18 POINT OF VIEW.
09/24/09 12:06:20 GOES BACK, WRITE UP
09/24/09 12:06:21 RECOMMENDATIONS, ORDER, AND
09/24/09 12:06:25 THEN COMES TO THE BOARD
09/24/09 12:06:25 OF
09/24/09 12:06:25 COUNTY COMMISSION.
09/24/09 12:06:26 OKAY.
09/24/09 12:06:27 ANY OTHER QUESTION ON THAT?
09/24/09 12:06:29 WE WILL HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC
09/24/09 12:06:31 THIS TIME AND THEN GIVE STAFF
09/24/09 12:06:34 OUR RECOMMENDATION HOW TO MOVE
09/24/09 12:06:34 FORWARD.
09/24/09 12:06:34 OKAY.
09/24/09 12:06:38 WE WILL HEAR
09/24/09 12:06:41 FROM
09/24/09 12:06:43 THE PUBLIC.
09/24/09 12:06:46 >>> GOOD AFTERNOON.
09/24/09 12:06:48 I AM JOHN RANDOLPH, SUITE 137
09/24/09 12:06:51 BANK OF AMERICA
09/24/09 12:06:52 PLAZA.
09/24/09 12:06:53 I HANDLED SEVERAL APPEALS
09/24/09 12:06:56 BEFORE YOU AND BEFORE THE LOWER
09/24/09 12:06:56 BOARD.
09/24/09 12:06:57 AT FIRST BLUSH I LIKE OPTION 3
09/24/09 12:07:00 BUT WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT IT
09/24/09 12:07:02 MORE IN THE FEW WHICH ARE.
09/24/09 12:07:04 I HAVE SOME OBSERVATIONS FOR
09/24/09 12:07:04 YOU.
09/24/09 12:07:06 I WANT TO BE VERY FRANK WITH
09/24/09 12:07:06 YOU.
09/24/09 12:07:08 I THINK YOU ARE STRUGGLING TO
09/24/09 12:07:11 PROVIDE A
09/24/09 12:07:11 POLITICALLY
09/24/09 12:07:12 ACCEPTABLE, LEGALLY DEFENSIBLE
09/24/09 12:07:15 DECISION EVERY TIME
09/24/09 12:07:16 YOU ARE
09/24/09 12:07:17 SITTING THERE.
09/24/09 12:07:19 THAT IS YOUR DILEMMA.
09/24/09 12:07:21 YOU HAVE A POLITICAL
09/24/09 12:07:22 CONSTITUENCY YOU HAVE TO SERVE.
09/24/09 12:07:25 IT IS
09/24/09 12:07:28 HARD TO DO.
09/24/09 12:07:29 I UNDERSTAND THE TOIL YOU HAVE
09/24/09 12:07:30 TO GO THROUGH.
09/24/09 12:07:33 IF YOU STEP BACK AND
09/24/09 12:07:34 LOOK AT
09/24/09 12:07:37 YOUR CHARTER, YOU ARE LIMITED
09/24/09 12:07:37 TO JURISDICTIONAL BODIES.
09/24/09 12:07:40 YOU ARE PUTTING
09/24/09 12:07:41 TOO MUCH ON
09/24/09 12:07:42 YOUR PLATE.
09/24/09 12:07:45 YOU SHOULD
09/24/09 12:07:46 MAKE THE LAW, MAKE
09/24/09 12:07:49 THE RULING ON THE REZONING.
09/24/09 12:07:51 YOU HAVE ALREADY DESIGNATED THE
09/24/09 12:07:53 POWER ON VARIANCES AND
09/24/09 12:07:55 ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW AND BARRIO
09/24/09 12:07:56 LATINO REVIEW.
09/24/09 12:07:58 YOU HAVE DEDICATED THAT POWER.
09/24/09 12:08:00 BETTER THINGS TO DO TO MAKE
09/24/09 12:08:02 POLICY AND CODE AND HEAR THE
09/24/09 12:08:04 ACTUAL REZONINGS THAT EFFECT
09/24/09 12:08:05 AREAS.
09/24/09 12:08:08 LEAVE THAT --THOSE
09/24/09 12:08:08 VARIANCE
09/24/09 12:08:10 ISSUES TO THE LOWER BOARD.
09/24/09 12:08:12 IT HAS COME BACK AROUND TO YOU
09/24/09 12:08:13 NOW YOU HAVE BECOME THE
09/24/09 12:08:16 DECISION MAKER
09/24/09 12:08:19 ON
09/24/09 12:08:22 THESE APPEALS
09/24/09 12:08:25 AND YOUR GIVEN THESE LEGAL
09/24/09 12:08:26 PRINCIPALS YOU HAVE TO
09/24/09 12:08:27 UNDERSTAND, A CROWD OF PEOPLE
09/24/09 12:08:30 WITH ARMS TO
09/24/09 12:08:32 BEAR,
09/24/09 12:08:34 BOTHPROPONENTS AND OPPONENTS I
09/24/09 12:08:35 DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO
09/24/09 12:08:38 REVISIT THESE ON A CASE TO
09/24/09 12:08:38 CASE
09/24/09 12:08:40 BASIS AFTER YOU HAVE DELEGATED
09/24/09 12:08:43 THEM TO THE BOARD.
09/24/09 12:08:46 ON A DENOVO BASIS, LET
09/24/09 12:08:47 DRV HEAR
09/24/09 12:08:47 IT.
09/24/09 12:08:49 LET HIM RULE ON WHETHER THE
09/24/09 12:08:50 RECORD IS COMPLETE, WHETHER THE
09/24/09 12:08:52 PARTY SHOULD BE IN THERE OR
09/24/09 12:08:52 NOT.
09/24/09 12:08:55 WRITE AN OPINION THAT IS
09/24/09 12:08:57 LEGALLY DEFENSIBLE, WINNER OR
09/24/09 12:08:58 LOSER GOES TO CIRCUIT COURT.
09/24/09 12:09:00 YOU HAVE WRITTEN THE ORDINANCE,
09/24/09 12:09:02 MADE THE POLICY, REZONED THE
09/24/09 12:09:04 LAND, GIVEN THESE BOARDS
09/24/09 12:09:07 DUTIES, YOU HAVE OTHER THINGS
09/24/09 12:09:10 TO DO, BUDGET, WATER, CODE
09/24/09 12:09:12 CHANGES, INTERFACING WITH
09/24/09 12:09:13 ADMINISTRATION, THINGS OF THAT
09/24/09 12:09:14 SORT.
09/24/09 12:09:15 YOU HAVE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO
09/24/09 12:09:17 GIVE BACK TO BASICS WHAT YOU
09/24/09 12:09:19 SHOULD BE DOING UNDER THE
09/24/09 12:09:20 CHARTER AND LEAVE THESE ISSUES
09/24/09 12:09:23 TO THE BOARD YOU DELEGATE
09/24/09 12:09:24 THEM
09/24/09 12:09:24 TO.
09/24/09 12:09:26 I WILL LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING
09/24/09 12:09:27 WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY.
09/24/09 12:09:29 THANK YOU.
09/24/09 12:09:32 >> THAT IS 180 DEGREES TURN
09/24/09 12:09:32 ALMOST.
09/24/09 12:09:33 THAT IS 180-DEGREE TURN FROM
09/24/09 12:09:35 LAST TIME WE DISCUSSED THIS
09/24/09 12:09:36 ISN'T IT?
09/24/09 12:09:38 >> I HAVE CHANGED MY MIND.
09/24/09 12:09:40 >> THANK YOU SIR.
09/24/09 12:09:42 >> I KEEP AN OPEN MIND.
09/24/09 12:09:43 >> THANK YOU.
09/24/09 12:09:46 >> I WORK THE COUNTY PROCESS.
09/24/09 12:09:47 IT IS BETTER.
09/24/09 12:09:48 >> YEAH PGH
09/24/09 12:09:51 >> THANK YOU PGH
09/24/09 12:09:54 >> THANK YOU,
09/24/09 12:09:54 SIR.
09/24/09 12:09:56 >> GOOD AFTERNOON.
09/24/09 12:09:58 VIRGINIA PARK NEIGHBOURHOOD
09/24/09 12:09:58 ASSOCIATION.
09/24/09 12:10:00 WHEN I STAND UP HERE ON THIS, I
09/24/09 12:10:01 HAVE TO WEAR TWO HATS.
09/24/09 12:10:04 I AM AN ATTORNEY TO MY
09/24/09 12:10:07 FINANCIAL BEST INTEREST IT IS
09/24/09 12:10:07 A
09/24/09 12:10:08 FORMALIZED PROCESS WITH EVERY
09/24/09 12:10:10 THING GOING IN FRONT OF JUDGES.
09/24/09 12:10:12 FOR MY POCKETBOOK THAT WORKS
09/24/09 12:10:13 BEST.
09/24/09 12:10:14 FOR CITIZENS IT DOESN'T.
09/24/09 12:10:17 HAVE NO PROBLEM
09/24/09 12:10:18 WITH DENOVO
09/24/09 12:10:20 SUGGESTION COUNCIL MADE FOR
09/24/09 12:10:22 ARC, VRB AND THE OTHER BOARDS.
09/24/09 12:10:25 I THINK WE DO NEED TO SPLIT OFF
09/24/09 12:10:27 THESE CASES, THAT ARE APPEALS
09/24/09 12:10:30 FROM THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR
09/24/09 12:10:33 TO SOME
09/24/09 12:10:39 OTHER FUNCTION TO
09/24/09 12:10:40 THE
09/24/09 12:10:43 EXTENT COUNCIL
09/24/09 12:10:45 DOESN'T NEED IT,
09/24/09 12:10:48 YOU GET TOO MANY APPEALS,
09/24/09 12:10:48 CHANGE THE LAW.
09/24/09 12:10:50 THE REASON WE HAD GONE TO YOU
09/24/09 12:10:53 GUYS HAVING THIS DIRECT POWER
09/24/09 12:10:54 TO OVER RIDE VRB WAS YOU SENT
09/24/09 12:10:57 CASES BACK TO THE VRB WITH
09/24/09 12:10:58 INSTRUCTIONS FOR THEM TO DO
09/24/09 12:11:01 WHAT THEY DID AND THEY DECIDED
09/24/09 12:11:02 TO IGNORE YOU.
09/24/09 12:11:03 THEN RESIDENTS WERE FORCED TO
09/24/09 12:11:05 COME BACK AGAIN AND THAT IS THE
09/24/09 12:11:08 HISTORY HOW WE ENDED UP
09/24/09 12:11:11 WHERE
09/24/09 12:11:12 WE ARE.
09/24/09 12:11:13 YOU HAVE TO REALIZE THEY ARE
09/24/09 12:11:13 STUCK.
09/24/09 12:11:16 THEY CAN'T DO ANYTHING
09/24/09 12:11:18 WITH
09/24/09 12:11:18 THEIR PROPERTY.
09/24/09 12:11:21 WHAT I SUGGESTION IS
09/24/09 12:11:24 THAT
09/24/09 12:11:25 THE
09/24/09 12:11:26 DENOVO DENOVO PROCESS.
09/24/09 12:11:28 IT GOES TO YOU, YOU GET TO HEAR
09/24/09 12:11:29 ALL THE FACTS, ASK ANY QUESTION
09/24/09 12:11:31 YOU WANT AND THERE IS NO
09/24/09 12:11:33 PROBLEM FOR ANYBODY WE CAN DO
09/24/09 12:11:35 IT VERY QUICK, VERY EASY GET IT
09/24/09 12:11:38 OUT
09/24/09 12:11:41 OF THE
09/24/09 12:11:42 WAY.
09/24/09 12:11:43 THANK YOU.
09/24/09 12:11:46 >> STEVE, AS YOU KNOW I
09/24/09 12:11:48 PRESENTED VARIOUS CASES BEFORE
09/24/09 12:11:51 THE BOARDS, AND I HAVE HAD
09/24/09 12:11:53 APPEALS BEFORE YOU WITH CITY
09/24/09 12:11:53 COUNCIL.
09/24/09 12:11:55 ONE ISSUE WE STRUGGLE WITH IS
09/24/09 12:11:58 THAT IS STAFF DRAFTS
09/24/09 12:12:00 UP THE
09/24/09 12:12:00 RULES.
09/24/09 12:12:01 YOUR ORDINANCES AND PRESENT
09/24/09 12:12:03 THEM TO YOU AND ALTHOUGH THEY
09/24/09 12:12:04 ARE WORKSHOPS THERE ARE A LOT
09/24/09 12:12:06 OF DETAILS IN THERE YOU ARE
09/24/09 12:12:07 THEN ASKED TO INTERPRET AS THEY
09/24/09 12:12:10 COME BACK TO YOU IN THE FORM
09/24/09 12:12:11 OF
09/24/09 12:12:12 REZONINGS AND APPEALS ON
09/24/09 12:12:13 VARIANCES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
09/24/09 12:12:15 BUT YOU DON'T HAVE THE
09/24/09 12:12:16 ADVANTAGE OF HAVING FULL TIME
09/24/09 12:12:18 STAFF TO ANALYZE THOSE CODES
09/24/09 12:12:21 AND ORDINANCES BEFORE THEY COME
09/24/09 12:12:22 TO YOU AS COUNCIL.
09/24/09 12:12:24 SO YOU ARE AT A DISADVANTAGE
09/24/09 12:12:24 THERE.
09/24/09 12:12:28 BUT ON THE APPEAL
09/24/09 12:12:28 PROCESS, WHEN
09/24/09 12:12:29 SOMETHING COMES TO YOU AND YOU
09/24/09 12:12:30 ARE ASKED TO INTERPRET
09/24/09 12:12:32 SOMETHING YOU SAY WHY DID THAT
09/24/09 12:12:35 BOARD DO THIS OR THAT, YOU
09/24/09 12:12:36 CAN'T ASK THAT QUESTION WHEN IT
09/24/09 12:12:38 COMES BACK TO YOU.
09/24/09 12:12:41 SO WHEN YOU COME BACK
09/24/09 12:12:43 AS A
09/24/09 12:12:47 DENOVO HEARING, DENOVO TO DRV
09/24/09 12:12:50 OR ARC YOU CAN ASK THOSE
09/24/09 12:12:50 IMPORTANT QUESTIONS.
09/24/09 12:12:52 IF YOU WANT TO INSERT A HEARING
09/24/09 12:12:55 OFFICER SOME PLACE BETWEEN
09/24/09 12:12:58 FOR
09/24/09 12:13:01 INTERMEDIATE APPEALS AND JULIA
09/24/09 12:13:02 AND I TALKED ABOUT THIS, THIS
09/24/09 12:13:05 ONE GO IT IS A HEARING OFFICER
09/24/09 12:13:07 BECAUSE IT HAS SOME PROBLEMS
09/24/09 12:13:07 WITH IT.
09/24/09 12:13:10 WE NEED TO BE VERY CERTAIN WE
09/24/09 12:13:12 HAVE DONE THINGS CORRECTLY OVER
09/24/09 12:13:12 HERE.
09/24/09 12:13:13 OTHER THINGS THAT COME TO YOU
09/24/09 12:13:16 ON APPEAL THAT ARE STRICTLY
09/24/09 12:13:18 ISSUES INVOLVING --THEY
09/24/09 12:13:19 DIDN'T GET THE OUTCOME AS
09/24/09 12:13:21 SPENCER SAID, IF YOU DON'T HAVE
09/24/09 12:13:24 THE RIGHT TO COME TO CITY
09/24/09 12:13:25 COUNCIL, WHY ARE YOU HERE.
09/24/09 12:13:28 YOU DON'T HAVE A LOT OF OTHER
09/24/09 12:13:29 POWERS.
09/24/09 12:13:30 THE PUBLIC SAYS TO YOU, THEY
09/24/09 12:13:33 SAY TO ME, THEY SAY
09/24/09 12:13:34 TO OTHER
09/24/09 12:13:36 PEOPLE I AM GOING TO CALL MY
09/24/09 12:13:37 COUNCIL PERSON FOR THIS OR
09/24/09 12:13:37 THAT.
09/24/09 12:13:41 THEY WANT TO BE HEARD AND
09/24/09 12:13:41 WANT
09/24/09 12:13:42 OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE IN FRONT
09/24/09 12:13:43 OF YOU.
09/24/09 12:13:44 I THINK YOU WANT THEM HERE
09/24/09 12:13:45 BECAUSE YOU WANT TO RESPOND
09/24/09 12:13:48 BACK TO THEM AND SAY WE LISTEN
09/24/09 12:13:50 TO YOU, AND WE HEARD YOUR CASE,
09/24/09 12:13:52 WE ASKED THE RIGHT QUESTIONS,
09/24/09 12:13:54 AND WE EITHER AGREE WITH YOU OR
09/24/09 12:13:57 DON'T AGREE WITH
09/24/09 12:13:58 YOU.
09/24/09 12:13:59 THE DENOVO PORTION COMING BACK
09/24/09 12:14:02 TO CITY COUNCIL
09/24/09 12:14:03 IS IMPORTANT.
09/24/09 12:14:04 EXPENSIVE TO PREPARE THE
09/24/09 12:14:05 RECORDS FOR YOU.
09/24/09 12:14:07 I KNOW YOU WANT THOSE DOCUMENTS
09/24/09 12:14:08 TO PREPARE YOUR CASE AND
09/24/09 12:14:09 UNDERSTAND WHAT IS GOING ON.
09/24/09 12:14:12 IT IS A VERY EXPENSIVE
09/24/09 12:14:13 BURDEN
09/24/09 12:14:14 TO BARE.
09/24/09 12:14:16 SMALL PETITIONERS CAN'T AFFORD
09/24/09 12:14:16 TO DO THAT.
09/24/09 12:14:18 SO WHEN YOU ARE FORCED TO MAKE
09/24/09 12:14:21 THE 11 COPIES
09/24/09 12:14:24 OF THE RECORD, 11
09/24/09 12:14:26 TRANSCRIPTS, 11 CDs OF ALL
09/24/09 12:14:28 HEARINGS PLUS 11 COPIES OF ALL
09/24/09 12:14:29 DOCUMENTS SUBMITTED TO YOU,
09/24/09 12:14:31 THAT IS A HEAVY BURDEN.
09/24/09 12:14:33 I WOULD URGE YOU OPTION 2 IS A
09/24/09 12:14:35 GOOD OPTION IF YOU WANT TO
09/24/09 12:14:37 INSERT A HEARING OFFICER IN
09/24/09 12:14:39 THERE IN SOME MANNER, AS A
09/24/09 12:14:41 THRESHOLD, I THINK THAT IS A
09/24/09 12:14:43 GOOD OPTION AS WELL.
09/24/09 12:14:45 BUT THE PROCESS DOES NEED TO
09/24/09 12:14:46 MOVE ALONG AND YOU ALL NEED TO
09/24/09 12:14:49 BE THE FINAL APPEAL BOARD
09/24/09 12:14:52 BEFORE IT GOES TO
09/24/09 12:14:53 CIRCUIT
09/24/09 12:14:54 COURT.
09/24/09 12:14:54 >> NEXT SPEAKER.
09/24/09 12:14:58 >> GOOD
09/24/09 12:14:58 AFTERNOON COUNCIL.
09/24/09 12:15:01 I AM WILL
09/24/09 12:15:02 FRED JOHNSON.
09/24/09 12:15:04 PRESIDENT OF FAN.
09/24/09 12:15:05 I WILL BE BRIEF.
09/24/09 12:15:08 MR. SHELBY MET WITH A COUPLE OF
09/24/09 12:15:09 OUR REPRESENTATIVES OVER THE
09/24/09 12:15:10 PAST WEEK AND SO WE HAD A
09/24/09 12:15:12 LITTLE BIT OF A HEADS UP ON
09/24/09 12:15:15 THIS BUT NOT HAD AN OPPORTUNITY
09/24/09 12:15:17 TO DISCUSS IN ANY DETAIL, THE
09/24/09 12:15:21 ZONING
09/24/09 12:15:23 COMMISSION OR FAN
09/24/09 12:15:23 MEETING.
09/24/09 12:15:25 WE ARE A LITTLE BIT IN THE DARK
09/24/09 12:15:28 BUT IN GENERAL
09/24/09 12:15:28 MOST
09/24/09 12:15:31 NEIGHBOURHOODS OR
09/24/09 12:15:34 VIRTUALLY
09/24/09 12:15:36 ALL, ON APPEAL CASES WOULD LIKE
09/24/09 12:15:37 TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO TALK
09/24/09 12:15:38 WITH YOU.
09/24/09 12:15:41 YOU FOLLOW THE LAW, RULES
09/24/09 12:15:42 YOU
09/24/09 12:15:43 KNOW OUR NEIGHBOURHOODS.
09/24/09 12:15:44 WE HAVE COST CONCERNS FROM A
09/24/09 12:15:46 STAND POINT OF COST
09/24/09 12:15:47 PARTICULARLY IF SOMETHING IS
09/24/09 12:15:50 GOING TO A HEARING MASTER OR TO
09/24/09 12:15:51 THE CIRCUIT COURT.
09/24/09 12:15:52 WE HAVE CONCERNS REGARDING
09/24/09 12:15:53 COST.
09/24/09 12:15:55 I DON'T KNOW WHAT THOSE ARE BUT
09/24/09 12:15:58 I WOULD SUBMIT TO YOU THAT I
09/24/09 12:16:01 THINK MOST INDIVIDUALS AND
09/24/09 12:16:01 MOST
09/24/09 12:16:03 NEIGHBOURHOODS OR NEIGHBOURHOOD
09/24/09 12:16:04 ASSOCIATIONS CAN'T AFFORD THOSE
09/24/09 12:16:05 TYPE COSTS.
09/24/09 12:16:08 I JUST ASK YOU KEEP THAT
09/24/09 12:16:09 IN
09/24/09 12:16:09 MIND.
09/24/09 12:16:12 THANK
09/24/09 12:16:14 YOU.
09/24/09 12:16:17 >> OKAY.
09/24/09 12:16:20 >> MARGARET 213 SOUTH
09/24/09 12:16:21 CHERYL.
09/24/09 12:16:22 CHAIRMAN SCOTT YOU REPELER THAT
09/24/09 12:16:24 MEETING I THINK WHEN THIS --
09/24/09 12:16:25 REMEMBER THAT MEETING I THINK
09/24/09 12:16:27 WHEN THIS ISSUE WAS BROUGHT UP.
09/24/09 12:16:29 I THINK YOU GOT THE FEELING
09/24/09 12:16:32 THAT A LOT OF WHAT MR. JOHNSON
09/24/09 12:16:33 HAS SAID ARE OUR REASONING.
09/24/09 12:16:35 WHEN A NEIGHBOURHOOD FEELS THEY
09/24/09 12:16:37 NEED TO APPEAL SOMETHING OR
09/24/09 12:16:40 EVEN MANY RESIDENTS WHO FEEL
09/24/09 12:16:43 THEY NEED TO
09/24/09 12:16:49 APPEAL SOMETHING ,
09/24/09 12:16:52 TO TAKE IT TO COURT MEANS
09/24/09 12:16:52 HIRING A CONSULTANT.
09/24/09 12:16:54 ONCE IT GOES TO COURT YOU HAVE
09/24/09 12:16:55 A HIRING ATTORNEY.
09/24/09 12:16:58 THE COST OF MAKING COPIES, EVEN
09/24/09 12:17:01 IF YOU DID GO TO
09/24/09 12:17:02 THE THING IS
09/24/09 12:17:03 CHEAPER.
09/24/09 12:17:06 WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE
09/24/09 12:17:06 IT BEING
09/24/09 12:17:08 DENOVO WHERE YOU WOULD ACTUALLY
09/24/09 12:17:09 LIKE A ZONING HEARING JUST TAKE
09/24/09 12:17:11 ALL OF THE INFORMATION FROM THE
09/24/09 12:17:14 BEGINNING AND HEAR IT ALL, SET
09/24/09 12:17:16 TIME LIMITS AS YOU DO FOR THE
09/24/09 12:17:19 ZONING BUT HEAR IT ALL MANY
09/24/09 12:17:22 TIMES AT THE
09/24/09 12:17:24 VRB LEVEL, A
09/24/09 12:17:26 PETITIONER MANY BEING CALLED
09/24/09 12:17:28 BACK TO RESPOND TO SOMETHING
09/24/09 12:17:31 WILL SAY SOMETHING NEW BUT THEN
09/24/09 12:17:34 THE PERSON OPPOSING
09/24/09 12:17:36 IT CAN'T
09/24/09 12:17:37 RESPOND SO AT LEAST THEY COULD
09/24/09 12:17:39 BE ON THE FRONT END OF THESE
09/24/09 12:17:42 ISSUES THAT WOULD COME
09/24/09 12:17:43 UP.
09/24/09 12:17:44 I WOULD JUST ASK THOSE THEY
09/24/09 12:17:47 HAVE NOT TAKEN A POSITION ON
09/24/09 12:17:48 WHAT IS BEING RECOMMENDED, WE
09/24/09 12:17:50 DO KNOW HOW WE FELT WAY BACK
09/24/09 12:17:53 WHEN AND IT IS
09/24/09 12:17:54 REALLY COST
09/24/09 12:17:57 INVOLVED IN GOING TO COURT.
09/24/09 12:17:59 SOME BIG ISSUES WE KNOW CAME UP
09/24/09 12:18:02 A YEAR AGO IN THE COST
09/24/09 12:18:03 OF THE
09/24/09 12:18:06 LITIGATION NOT
09/24/09 12:18:09 THE REAL NITTY-
09/24/09 12:18:10 GRITTY NEIGHBOURHOOD ISSUES.
09/24/09 12:18:13 THAT IS WHERE YOU HAVE OUT
09/24/09 12:18:13 THE
09/24/09 12:18:15 COST OF THAT CAUSE NOT THE
09/24/09 12:18:18 SMALLER ISSUES THAT GO
09/24/09 12:18:19 BEFORE
09/24/09 12:18:22 THE VROB SENT
09/24/09 12:18:24 CORRECTLY TO
09/24/09 12:18:24 COURTS.
09/24/09 12:18:26 THAT WOULD MEAN --SENT
09/24/09 12:18:27 DIRECTLY TO COURTS.
09/24/09 12:18:29 THAT WOULD MEAN A BIG APPEAL.
09/24/09 12:18:32 >> ANYONE
09/24/09 12:18:34 ELSE?
09/24/09 12:18:34 ANYONE ELSE?
09/24/09 12:18:35 OKAY.
09/24/09 12:18:36 >> MR. CHAIRMAN, I LOOKED AT
09/24/09 12:18:38 ALL THESE FIVE AND LISTENED TO
09/24/09 12:18:39 THE CONVERSATIONS.
09/24/09 12:18:41 IF WE COULD HAVE A TIME
09/24/09 12:18:43 CONSTRAINT I THINK NUMBER TWO
09/24/09 12:18:45 WOULD BE SOMETHING --
09/24/09 12:18:47 WHATBOTHERS ME IS THAT NOW WHEN
09/24/09 12:18:50 WE GET A REVIEW
09/24/09 12:18:52 OF THE RECORD,
09/24/09 12:18:55 A, THEY TELL US WE CAN'T
09/24/09 12:18:56 VISIT
09/24/09 12:18:57 THE SITE.
09/24/09 12:18:57 CAN'T INVEST THE SITE.
09/24/09 12:19:00 WHATEVER WAS BROUGHT UP
09/24/09 12:19:01 AT THAT
09/24/09 12:19:03 HEARING, NO NEW EVIDENCE CAN BE
09/24/09 12:19:03 BROUGHT IN.
09/24/09 12:19:06 HOW DO I KNOW
09/24/09 12:19:07 THIS HEARING,
09/24/09 12:19:08 EVERYTHING SUPPOSED TO HAVE
09/24/09 12:19:09 BEEN SAID WAS SAID.
09/24/09 12:19:11 I DON'T KNOW WHAT FACTS WERE
09/24/09 12:19:12 BROUGHT IN FROM ONE SIDE OR THE
09/24/09 12:19:13 OTHER.
09/24/09 12:19:15 ALL I CAN GO ON IS REVIEW OF
09/24/09 12:19:18 DOCUMENTS GIVEN TO US
09/24/09 12:19:20 TO REVIEW
09/24/09 12:19:23 EITHER LITERATURE OR TAPE I
09/24/09 12:19:26 JUST DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE
09/24/09 12:19:27 DOING LITERATURE OR TAPE WHEN
09/24/09 12:19:29 WE HAVE IN ZONING AREAS, WE CAN
09/24/09 12:19:30 GO LOOK, SEE WHAT IS GOING ON,
09/24/09 12:19:34 GET A BETTER
09/24/09 12:19:36 FEEL OF THINGS.
09/24/09 12:19:39 I AM NOT OPPOSED TO NUMBER TWO.
09/24/09 12:19:41 IF WE CAN CHANGE AND GET AN
09/24/09 12:19:42 AMOUNT OF TIME SET AND SOME
09/24/09 12:19:45 TIMES I CAN TELL
09/24/09 12:19:47 YOU THIS, IN
09/24/09 12:19:49 2006 WE HAD FIVE FIELDS AND
09/24/09 12:19:52 2007 WE HAD 8 APPEALS AND
09/24/09 12:19:53 2008
09/24/09 12:19:54 WE HAD 14 APPEALS.
09/24/09 12:19:56 THIS YEAR WE ARE AT 8 APPEALS
09/24/09 12:19:58 AND STILL HAVE THREE MONTHS
09/24/09 12:19:58 LEFT.
09/24/09 12:20:01 SO WHAT I AM SAYING IS
09/24/09 12:20:03 WE ARE
09/24/09 12:20:06 BECOMING MORE OF '
09/24/09 12:20:07 DENOVO BOARD
09/24/09 12:20:08 THAN WE REALLY INTENDED TO BE
09/24/09 12:20:11 BUT IF WE ARE GOING TO DO THAT,
09/24/09 12:20:14 LET'S HEAR THE WHOLE RECORD
09/24/09 12:20:14 NOT
09/24/09 12:20:15 JUST ABBREVIATED STATUTES THAT
09/24/09 12:20:17 COME FINE US TO A SMALL AMOUNT
09/24/09 12:20:18 AND WE MAY NEVER GET THE FACTS
09/24/09 12:20:21 ALL IN THE
09/24/09 12:20:22 RECORD.
09/24/09 12:20:23 >> OKAY.
09/24/09 12:20:23 COUNCILMAN SAUL-SENA
09/24/09 12:20:26 >> I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING MR.
09/24/09 12:20:28 MIRANDA JUST SAID.
09/24/09 12:20:29 >> OKAY.
09/24/09 12:20:32 I WILL ONLY SAY
09/24/09 12:20:32 I DON'T
09/24/09 12:20:35 UNDERSTAND IF YOU ARE GOING TO
09/24/09 12:20:37 DO DENOVO WITH A LOWER BOARD,
09/24/09 12:20:40 WHICH MEANS YOU HEAR ALL THE
09/24/09 12:20:41 EVIDENCE, EVERYTHING, RIGHT,
09/24/09 12:20:43 THEN YOU COME TO CITY COUNCIL
09/24/09 12:20:46 AND HAVE THE SAME EXACT
09/24/09 12:20:48 HEARING
09/24/09 12:20:50 ALL OVER AGAIN.
09/24/09 12:20:51 RIGHT.
09/24/09 12:20:52 THAT IS THE ISSUE.
09/24/09 12:20:54 DO AWAY WITH ONE OR THE OTHER.
09/24/09 12:20:55 YOU DON'T NEED TO HAVE A LOWER
09/24/09 12:20:58 BOARD HAVE
09/24/09 12:21:01 A WHOLE
09/24/09 12:21:02 HEARING THEN
09/24/09 12:21:05 YOU COME TO CITY COUNCIL
09/24/09 12:21:06 HAVE A
09/24/09 12:21:08 WHOLE KNOTTER HEARING.
09/24/09 12:21:08 OKAY.
09/24/09 12:21:10 YOU HAVE --OTHER HEARING, YOU
09/24/09 12:21:13 ARE TALKING TIME
09/24/09 12:21:16 AND MONEY.
09/24/09 12:21:16 REGARDLESS.
09/24/09 12:21:19 STAFF TIME EQUATES TO MONEY,
09/24/09 12:21:20 IS
09/24/09 12:21:21 THAT RIGHT?
09/24/09 12:21:24 SO THAT'S WHY I FAVOUR NUMBER
09/24/09 12:21:26 THREE OR NUMBER FOUR.
09/24/09 12:21:27 PREFERABLY I COULD LIVE WITH
09/24/09 12:21:29 NUMBER FOUR MEANING YOU HAVE A
09/24/09 12:21:31 LOWER BOARD HEARING EVERY --
09/24/09 12:21:33 THE WHOLE CASE GOES TO A
09/24/09 12:21:36 HEARING OFFICER, THEN IT COMES
09/24/09 12:21:41 TO CITY COUNCIL.
09/24/09 12:21:43 THAT DEPENDS ON WHAT THE BOARD
09/24/09 12:21:44 WANTS TO DO.
09/24/09 12:21:46 JULIA YOU WANT TO ADD SOMETHING
09/24/09 12:21:49 THEN WE NEED TO WRAP THIS
09/24/09 12:21:50 UP.
09/24/09 12:21:53 >> JULIA COLE IT IS IMPORTANT
09/24/09 12:21:56 WE GOT AN OPPORTUNITY TO
09/24/09 12:21:57 HEAR
09/24/09 12:21:57 THESE COMMENTS.
09/24/09 12:22:01 THIS WAS TO
09/24/09 12:22:02 BRING FORWARD
09/24/09 12:22:02 IDEAS.
09/24/09 12:22:05 I MENTIONED NOW THAT I HAVE HAD
09/24/09 12:22:07 AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT IT I
09/24/09 12:22:09 THINK THERE SHOULD BE A
09/24/09 12:22:11 SEPARATION BETWEEN THE VARIANCE
09/24/09 12:22:13 TYPES OF DECISIONS THAT COME
09/24/09 12:22:15 FROM LOWER BOARD SUPPORTS HOW
09/24/09 12:22:18 YOU APPROACH THEM
09/24/09 12:22:19 THROUGH
09/24/09 12:22:21 APPEAL PROCESS FROM ZONING
09/24/09 12:22:22 DETERMINATION ESPECIALLY ONES
09/24/09 12:22:25 WITH A MUCH MORE
09/24/09 12:22:26 LEGAL
09/24/09 12:22:26 IMPLICATION.
09/24/09 12:22:27 THE FIRST RECOMMENDATION I
09/24/09 12:22:29 WOULD LIKE TO MAKE IS HAVE
09/24/09 12:22:30 OPPORTUNITY TO BRING BACK TO
09/24/09 12:22:31 YOU AT A WORKSHOP FAR ENOUGH
09/24/09 12:22:33 OUT THAT I CAN LET EVERYBODY
09/24/09 12:22:36 LOOK AT IT, CHANGES I WILL
09/24/09 12:22:39 RECOMMEND FROM A LEGAL
09/24/09 12:22:40 PERSPECTIVE TO ADMINISTRATIVE
09/24/09 12:22:41 PROCESS AND I SEE THIS IS
09/24/09 12:22:43 CONSISTENT FROM WHAT I WAS
09/24/09 12:22:45 HEARING, SEPARATE OUT THOSE
09/24/09 12:22:46 DECISIONS AND SEPARATE OUT
09/24/09 12:22:47 APPEAL PROCESS BECAUSE IT MAY
09/24/09 12:22:49 BE HAVING SOME KIND OF
09/24/09 12:22:51 RECOMMENDED HEARING OFFICER ON
09/24/09 12:22:52 THOSE DECISIONS BECAUSE THINK
09/24/09 12:22:54 HAVE SUCH A LEGAL CONSEQUENCE
09/24/09 12:22:55 MAY BE IMPORTANT TO HAVE.
09/24/09 12:22:57 THAT IS THE FIRST THING I WOULD
09/24/09 12:23:00 LIKE TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO
09/24/09 12:23:02 BRING BACK REVISIONS TO ZONING
09/24/09 12:23:04 ADMINISTRATOR PROCESS AND MAYBE
09/24/09 12:23:06 LOOK AT THAT ESSENTIAL
09/24/09 12:23:08 RECOMMENDED ORDER PROCESS FOR
09/24/09 12:23:10 THOSE AND ALSO BRING BACK
09/24/09 12:23:13 RECOMMENDATIONS ON LANGUAGE
09/24/09 12:23:14 FOR
09/24/09 12:23:15 POTENTIAL DENOVO PROCEEDING.
09/24/09 12:23:17 THE ONE THING WE WOULD HAVE THE
09/24/09 12:23:20 LOOK --WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT
09/24/09 12:23:23 IS TO ENSURE IT
09/24/09 12:23:25 ELIMINATES DUE
09/24/09 12:23:25 PROCESS.
09/24/09 12:23:28 >> I AGREE WITH HER SUGGESTION
09/24/09 12:23:31 AND ALSO NOT ONLY WITH REGARD
09/24/09 12:23:33 TO HEARING OFFICER FOR
09/24/09 12:23:35 NONCONFORMS STATUS BUT TALK
09/24/09 12:23:38 ABOUT VESTED RIGHTS AS
09/24/09 12:23:39 WELL.
09/24/09 12:23:40 IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO HAVE
09/24/09 12:23:43 THAT COME BACK AT THAT TIME.
09/24/09 12:23:45 COUNCIL, I BELIEVE YOU HAVE
09/24/09 12:23:48 NOVEMBER WORKSHOP THAT
09/24/09 12:23:49 HAS CRA
09/24/09 12:23:51 DAY AND WORKSHOP DAY COMBINED
09/24/09 12:23:54 AS TWO BUT LOOKS LIKE YOU ONLY
09/24/09 12:23:56 HAVE ONE COMMENDATION PRESENTLY
09/24/09 12:23:58 AND ONE WORKSHOP ON LOCAL
09/24/09 12:24:00 PREFERENCE SO PERHAPS YOU CAN
09/24/09 12:24:02 SCHEDULE IF THERE ARE NOVEMBER
09/24/09 12:24:04 12th AT 11:00 A.M.
09/24/09 12:24:05 FOR DISCUSSION AND WE CAN WELL
09/24/09 12:24:07 IN ADVANCE PROVIDE INFORMATION
09/24/09 12:24:10 TO COUNCIL
09/24/09 12:24:12 AND THE COMMUNITY.
09/24/09 12:24:15 >> WE WILL --NOVEMBER
09/24/09 12:24:16 IS ALL
09/24/09 12:24:16 RIGHT?
09/24/09 12:24:18 >> IS THAT OKAY?
09/24/09 12:24:21 >> NOVEMBER 12th
09/24/09 12:24:21 SEEMS FINE
09/24/09 12:24:22 WITH ME.
09/24/09 12:24:24 I WAS GOING TO ASK FOR THAT DAY
09/24/09 12:24:25 FOR JULY SO THEY COULD RUN
09/24/09 12:24:28 TOGETHER BECAUSE WE
09/24/09 12:24:30 WERE
09/24/09 12:24:33 LOOKING AT THE TECH MANUAL FOR
09/24/09 12:24:34 TRANSPORTATION.
09/24/09 12:24:35 >> EVENING MEETING YOU WERE
09/24/09 12:24:36 TALKING ABOUT.
09/24/09 12:24:39 WE HAVE SOMETHING SCHEDULED FOR
09/24/09 12:24:39 THAT MEETING.
09/24/09 12:24:42 >> APPROVALS FOR THIS CYCLE ARE
09/24/09 12:24:43 THAT OWNING I DON'T KNOW.
09/24/09 12:24:46 IT IS ALL SIMILAR MATERIAL BUT
09/24/09 12:24:47 I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG THE
09/24/09 12:24:49 MEETING WOULD TURN OUT TO BE.
09/24/09 12:24:50 >> DEMOTION WE ARE TALKING
09/24/09 12:24:53 ABOUT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT
09/24/09 12:24:54 DOING WORK SHOP.
09/24/09 12:24:55 >> DURING THE DAY.
09/24/09 12:24:57 >> DURING THE DAY.
09/24/09 12:25:00 TO BRING BACK THE SUGGESTION
09/24/09 12:25:00 OF
09/24/09 12:25:03 THE HEARING OFFICER FOR THOSE
09/24/09 12:25:06 SIGNIFICANT ISSUES FROM THE
09/24/09 12:25:09 ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND GO
09/24/09 12:25:12 WITH DENOVO AND COUNCILMEMBER
09/24/09 12:25:12 MIRANDA.
09/24/09 12:25:13 >> OKAY.
09/24/09 12:25:16 >> MAYBE IF WE START AT 5.
09/24/09 12:25:18 >> WE HAVE 9:00 A.M.
09/24/09 12:25:19 CRA 10:30 A.M.
09/24/09 12:25:22 WORKSHOP AND THEN
09/24/09 12:25:23 WE'VE GOT A
09/24/09 12:25:24 6:00 P.M.
09/24/09 12:25:24 MEETING?
09/24/09 12:25:25 >> WHY DON'T --
09/24/09 12:25:26 >> I DON'T THINK THAT IS A
09/24/09 12:25:27 GOOD DAY
09/24/09 12:25:28 >> I THINK 11:00 A.M.
09/24/09 12:25:31 THE THING IS GOING TO BE SHORT.
09/24/09 12:25:32 THE 10:30 A.M.
09/24/09 12:25:34 >> UNLESS COUNCIL'S SUGGESTION.
09/24/09 12:25:37 >> LOCAL VENDOR IS GOING TO BE
09/24/09 12:25:37 SHORT?
09/24/09 12:25:40 >> 5 BANK OF MONTREAL
09/24/09 12:25:42 PGH
09/24/09 12:25:45 >>
09/24/09 12:25:48 5:P.M.
09/24/09 12:25:49 IN THE EVENING.
09/24/09 12:25:51 >> YOU CAN'T DO THAT.
09/24/09 12:25:52 YOU SAID EARLIER 5:30 P.M.
09/24/09 12:25:54 >> LET'S HIT THAT AT 5:00 P.M.
09/24/09 12:25:57 >> COUNCIL THE MOST
09/24/09 12:25:58 IMPORTANT
09/24/09 12:25:59 THING IS FOR YOU TO HAVE THE
09/24/09 12:26:02 OPPORTUNITY TO HEAR FROM
09/24/09 12:26:03 COMMUNITY IS STAFF AND MAKE
09/24/09 12:26:03 REASONED DECISION.
09/24/09 12:26:06 WHATEVER WORKS FOR COUNCIL BUT
09/24/09 12:26:08 I RESPECTFULLY ASK THIS BE
09/24/09 12:26:09 GIVEN SUFFICIENT TIME SO YOU
09/24/09 12:26:10 GET THE PROCESS THAT WORKS.
09/24/09 12:26:12 >> 5:00 P.M.
09/24/09 12:26:13 IS NOT SUFFICIENT.
09/24/09 12:26:14 >> NOVEMBER 12th AT 11:00 A.M.
09/24/09 12:26:17 WOULD GIVE US MORE TIME.
09/24/09 12:26:18 >> SECOND.
09/24/09 12:26:19 >> WHAT WAS THAT?
09/24/09 12:26:22 >> NOVEMBER 12th,
09/24/09 12:26:25 11:00 A.M.
09/24/09 12:26:26 >> OKAY.
09/24/09 12:26:29 MOVE AND SECOND BY
09/24/09 12:26:30 COUNCIL
09/24/09 12:26:32 WOMAN MILLER AND SECOND BY SAUL-
09/24/09 12:26:34 SENA ALL IN FAVOUR SAY AYE.
09/24/09 12:26:34 >> AYE.
09/24/09 12:26:35 >> OPPOSE?
09/24/09 12:26:36 >> COUNCIL THANK YOU
09/24/09 12:26:36 >>
09/24/09 12:26:38 ANYTHING ELSE BEFORE COUNCIL?
09/24/09 12:26:40 >> YES, SIR, I HAVE TO
09/24/09 12:26:42 RESCHEDULE OFFICER OF THE MONTH
09/24/09 12:26:43 FOR OCTOBER 22 ND 9:00 A.M.
09/24/09 12:26:46 >> MOVE AND SECOND ALL IN FAY
09/24/09 12:26:47 VERY SAY AYE.
09/24/09 12:26:47 >> AYE.
09/24/09 12:26:50 >> MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE.
09/24/09 12:26:50 >> SECOND.
09/24/09 12:26:51 >> ALL IN FAVOUR SAY AYE.
09/24/09 12:26:55 >> WE STAND IN RECESS
09/24/09 12:26:56 UNTIL
09/24/09 12:26:56 THIS EVENING AT 5:30 P.M.