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Tampa City Council
Thursday, October 15, 2009
9:00 a.m. session

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10/15/09 08:43:00 GRIRNLG.
10/15/09 09:05:22 TAMPA CITY COUNCIL HAS COME
10/15/09 09:05:24 TO
10/15/09 09:05:24 ORDER.
10/15/09 09:05:27 THE CHAIR WILL YIELD TO
10/15/09 09:05:27 THE
10/15/09 09:05:29 CHAIRMAN MULHERN.
10/15/09 09:05:30 >> THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN.
10/15/09 09:05:33 THIS MORNING WE
10/15/09 09:05:36 ARE FORTUNATE TO
10/15/09 09:05:39 HAVE
10/15/09 09:05:45 VOLUNTEER
10/15/09 09:05:48 FOR CHRISTINA,
10/15/09 09:05:51 THE AID
10/15/09 09:05:53 TO MY OFFICE.
10/15/09 09:05:56 PLEASE STAND FOR THE INVOCATION.
10/15/09 09:05:58 >> GOOD MORNING.
10/15/09 09:05:59 THANK YOU FOR INVITING ME HERE.
10/15/09 09:06:02 ME WE HAVE TRUE
10/15/09 09:06:04 RESPECT FOR MAN
10/15/09 09:06:07 AND FOR WOMAN LOYALTY AND LOVE,
10/15/09 09:06:09 HAPPINESS AND WORK AND JUSTICE
10/15/09 09:06:09 AND REWARD.
10/15/09 09:06:12 THAT OUR HOMES MAY BE KEPT
10/15/09 09:06:13 SAFE
10/15/09 09:06:14 AND PURE, OUR CITIES AND COUNTRY
10/15/09 09:06:16 SIDE RENEWED AND BEAUTY IN
10/15/09 09:06:16 ORDER.
10/15/09 09:06:19 ALL OF
10/15/09 09:06:22 THIS WE
10/15/09 09:06:25 ASK
10/15/09 09:06:27 IN YOUR NAME,
10/15/09 09:06:27 AMEN.
10/15/09 09:06:30 >>>
10/15/09 09:07:46 AMEN.
10/15/09 09:07:47 >>>
10/15/09 09:07:48 [ PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE ].
10/15/09 09:07:51 >> DO WE HAVE
10/15/09 09:07:54 ROLL
10/15/09 09:07:55 COL.
10/15/09 09:07:55 >> JOE CAETANO.
10/15/09 09:07:58 >>
10/15/09 09:08:00 MILLER.
10/15/09 09:08:00 >> MIRANDA MULHERN DINGFELDER.
10/15/09 09:08:03 SCOTT.
10/15/09 09:08:03 >> ALL HERE.
10/15/09 09:08:04 >> BEFORE WE REVIEW THE AGENDA
10/15/09 09:08:07 WE WOULD LIKE TO SAY HAPPY
10/15/09 09:08:10 BIRTHDAY TO
10/15/09 09:08:14 OFFICER MILLER.
10/15/09 09:08:16 HAPPY BIRTHDAY, SIR.
10/15/09 09:08:19 >> THANK
10/15/09 09:08:20 YOU.
10/15/09 09:08:20 >> ENJOY YOUR DAY.
10/15/09 09:08:20 OKAY.
10/15/09 09:08:23 >> GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIRMAN,
10/15/09 09:08:23 MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, MARTIN
10/15/09 09:08:26 SHELBY CITY COUNSEL HAVE THE
10/15/09 09:08:28 ADDENDUM TO THE AGENDA.
10/15/09 09:08:29 JUST TO BRING TOUR ATTENTION UP
10/15/09 09:08:32 FRONT YOU HAVE RECEIVED A
10/15/09 09:08:38 MEMORANDUM FROM CHAIRMAN SCOTT
10/15/09 09:08:41 ADVISE THAT HE WILL
10/15/09 09:08:42 NOT BE IN
10/15/09 09:08:45 ATTENDANCE
10/15/09 09:08:46 FOR THE AFTERNOON
10/15/09 09:08:47 SESSION OF THE COUNCIL MEETING.
10/15/09 09:08:50 COUNCIL, THERE IS NEW BUSINESS
10/15/09 09:08:51 TO TAKE UP EARLY ON.
10/15/09 09:08:52 I HAVE IT IN FRONT OF YOU.
10/15/09 09:08:54 THE FIRST IS A REQUEST RECEIPT
10/15/09 09:08:55 FROM DARRYL SMITH, CHIEF OF
10/15/09 09:08:58 STAFF REGARDING A CONTINUANCE OF
10/15/09 09:09:04 THE WORKSHOP THAT'S SCHEDULED
10/15/09 09:09:07 FOR OCTOBER 22nd AND THE EVENTS
10/15/09 09:09:09 OF THAT WORKSHOP, HE IS ASKING
10/15/09 09:09:12 FOR IT TO BE RESCHEDULED
10/15/09 09:09:13 TO
10/15/09 09:09:13 JANUARY 2010.
10/15/09 09:09:14 >> WHAT'S THE SUBJECT OF THE
10/15/09 09:09:14 WORKSHOP.
10/15/09 09:09:16 >> THE EXACT TITLE FOR NEXT
10/15/09 09:09:19 WOULD BE THE
10/15/09 09:09:22 --TO DISCUSS THE
10/15/09 09:09:25 ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE RULES, THE
10/15/09 09:09:28 SPECIAL USE PERMITS
10/15/09 09:09:32 FOR
10/15/09 09:09:33 ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES.
10/15/09 09:09:33 I BELIEVE --I DON'T HAVE THE
10/15/09 09:09:34 NOTE IN FRONT OF ME HERE
10/15/09 09:09:36 REQUIRING MORE TIMES, THEY ARE
10/15/09 09:09:38 ASKING FOR IT TO BE CONTINUED TO
10/15/09 09:09:38 THE JANUARY WORKSHOP WHICH WOULD
10/15/09 09:09:41 BE
10/15/09 09:09:44 SCHEDULED, I WOULD RECOMMEND
10/15/09 09:09:47 PERHAPS 10:30 ON JANUARY 28th.
10/15/09 09:09:49 IF COUNCIL WISHES WE CAN SET
10/15/09 09:09:52 THAT UP AS A SEPARATE MOTION OR
10/15/09 09:09:52 ENTERTAIN IT NOW.
10/15/09 09:09:55 >> DO ALL OF THE NEW ITEMS
10/15/09 09:09:57 QUICK
10/15/09 09:10:00 IN ONE MOTION?
10/15/09 09:10:03 >> YOU CAN,
10/15/09 09:10:03 WHAT WOULD BE BEST
10/15/09 09:10:05 FOR THE CLERK BECAUSE ONE OF THE
10/15/09 09:10:07 ITEMS IS A REQUEST BY CHAIR
10/15/09 09:10:09 MILLER WHICH MAY REQUIRE A
10/15/09 09:10:12 SEPARATE VOTE OR YOU CAN DO IT
10/15/09 09:10:12 ALL TOGETHER.
10/15/09 09:10:15 >> JANUARY 28th AT
10/15/09 09:10:18 10:30?
10/15/09 09:10:18 >> MOVE TO SECOND.
10/15/09 09:10:21 ALL
10/15/09 09:10:24 IN
10/15/09 09:10:27 FAVOR SAY AYE.
10/15/09 09:10:27 >> AYE.
10/15/09 09:10:27 >> OPPOSE NAY.
10/15/09 09:10:28 >> YOU HAVE A REQUEST FROM A
10/15/09 09:10:31 CHIEF OF
10/15/09 09:10:33 STAFF TO DISCUSS A
10/15/09 09:10:36 WORKSHOP
10/15/09 09:10:36 JULY 22nd, 2009 FOR
10/15/09 09:10:37 NOVEMBER 12th AT 11:00 A.M.
10/15/09 09:10:40 >> MOVE
10/15/09 09:10:40 TO RESCHEDULE THE
10/15/09 09:10:40 WORKSHOP.
10/15/09 09:10:42 >> MAYBE WE SHOULD RESCHEDULE
10/15/09 09:10:44 THAT BECAUSE I HAVE NOT HEARD
10/15/09 09:10:47 BACK FROM MR. SMITH,
10/15/09 09:10:50 THERE WAS A
10/15/09 09:10:50 QUESTION.
10/15/09 09:10:53 >> WE NEED TO
10/15/09 09:10:56 HOLD THAT UNTIL
10/15/09 09:10:57 WE
10/15/09 09:10:57 HEAR FROM HIM.
10/15/09 09:10:58 THE ISSUE WAS WHETHER THAT
10/15/09 09:11:01 NEEDED TO BE DONE
10/15/09 09:11:03 SOONER OR
10/15/09 09:11:03 LATER.
10/15/09 09:11:03 >> OKAY.
10/15/09 09:11:03 SO IF WE COULD HOLD THAT ITEM.
10/15/09 09:11:06 THE NEXT IS PROTEM MILLER
10/15/09 09:11:08 ADVISING FOR A CITATION
10/15/09 09:11:10 ORDINANCE THAT WAS PASSED ON
10/15/09 09:11:13 SECOND
10/15/09 09:11:13 READING TO BE AMENDED.
10/15/09 09:11:16 CHAIR MILLER DO YOU
10/15/09 09:11:16 WANT TO
10/15/09 09:11:18 ADDRESS THAT.
10/15/09 09:11:18 >> YES, THANK YOU.
10/15/09 09:11:21 ON OCTOBER THE 1st 2009, THE
10/15/09 09:11:21 CITY COUNCIL APPROVED 2009-138
10/15/09 09:11:21 IT A MOVED 23.5, CIVIL CITATIONS
10/15/09 09:11:21 UNDER SECTION TWO THE LANGUAGE
10/15/09 09:11:22 WAS ADDED IN ADDITION TO THE
10/15/09 09:11:22 CORE SECTION SET FORTH ABOVE, IN
10/15/09 09:11:22 OTHER SECTIONS PROVISIONS OF THE
10/15/09 09:11:23 TAMPA CITY COURTS THAT IS NOT
10/15/09 09:11:23 SPECIFICALLY SET FORTH IN THE
10/15/09 09:11:23 OTHER CLASSES, OF THE SCHEDULE
10/15/09 09:11:23 OF VIOLATION AND PENALTIES SHALL
10/15/09 09:11:24 BE A CLASS ONE VIOLATION.
10/15/09 09:11:24 SO, THEREFORE, I WOULD LIKE TO
10/15/09 09:11:25 MAKE A MOTION TO AMEND SECTION
10/15/09 09:11:25 23.5.5 SCHEDULED OF VIOLATIONS
10/15/09 09:11:25 TO BE DELETED IN THAT PARAGRAPH.
10/15/09 09:11:25 >> SECOND.
10/15/09 09:11:26 >> QUESTION.
10/15/09 09:11:26 >> I THINK THE PARAGRAPH IS TOO
10/15/09 09:11:26 BROAD AND COVERS TOO MANY
10/15/09 09:11:26 VIOLATIONS.
10/15/09 09:11:27 >> NOW, COUNCIL, I'M SORRY, JUST
10/15/09 09:11:27 AS A MATTER OF COURSE, THE
10/15/09 09:11:27 MOTION WOULD BE DIRECT LEGAL TO
10/15/09 09:11:28 BRING BACK AN ORDINANCE AMENDING
10/15/09 09:11:29 THAT SECTION OF THE CODE WHICH
10/15/09 09:11:29 WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK FOR
10/15/09 09:11:30 FIRST READING AND GO THROUGH A
10/15/09 09:11:30 SECOND READING AND GO THROUGH
10/15/09 09:11:30 ANOTHER ADOPTION OF THE READING,
10/15/09 09:11:30 THAT'S THE PROCESS.
10/15/09 09:11:30 >> I WILL SECOND THAT.
10/15/09 09:11:33 >> I DON'T KNOW WHY WE ARE
10/15/09 09:11:34 REVISITING THAT.
10/15/09 09:11:35 WE HAVE BEEN WRESTLING WITH THAT
10/15/09 09:11:35 PROVISION.
10/15/09 09:11:38 WE HAVEN'T HEARD FROM
10/15/09 09:11:40 LEGAL ON
10/15/09 09:11:40 THIS.
10/15/09 09:11:41 WE ARE MOVING FORWARD WITH
10/15/09 09:11:42 CHANGES.
10/15/09 09:11:43 SOMETHING WE WORKED LONG AND
10/15/09 09:11:46 HARD ABOUT, I JUST DON'T
10/15/09 09:11:48 KNOW --
10/15/09 09:11:49 I DON'T GET IT.
10/15/09 09:11:52 >> MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I MAY, CHIP
10/15/09 09:11:53 FLETCHER, CITY ATTORNEY.
10/15/09 09:11:55 WE DID RECOMMEND INCLUDING THAT
10/15/09 09:11:56 IF IT IS COUNSEL'S PREFERENCE TO
10/15/09 09:11:57 HAVE IT EXCLUDED BECAUSE YOU
10/15/09 09:12:00 FEEL IT IS TOO
10/15/09 09:12:03 BROAD WE DON'T
10/15/09 09:12:05 HAVE OBJECTION WE HAD IT
10/15/09 09:12:06 AVAILABLE FOR ENFORCEMENT BUT IF
10/15/09 09:12:07 IT WAS REMOVED HAD TO COME BACK
10/15/09 09:12:10 IF WE DETERMINED THERE WAS
10/15/09 09:12:11 ANOTHER CLASS THAT WE HAD NOT
10/15/09 09:12:14 IDENTIFIED IF
10/15/09 09:12:16 THIS PASSED WITH
10/15/09 09:12:17 THE CIVIL CITATION PROGRAM.
10/15/09 09:12:20 >> I APPLAUD
10/15/09 09:12:21 SOMEBODY THAT VOTED
10/15/09 09:12:21 IN THE AFFIRMATIVE TO REVISIT
10/15/09 09:12:24 ANYTHING THAT THEY
10/15/09 09:12:25 WANT TO DO AT
10/15/09 09:12:27 ANY TIME, THAT'S WHAT
10/15/09 09:12:28 GIVE-AND-TAKE IS ABOUT, THAT IS
10/15/09 09:12:29 WHAT GOVERNMENT IS ABOUT.
10/15/09 09:12:32 LET ME SAY THAT I WAS NOT IN THE
10/15/09 09:12:34 PREVAILING SIDE, I WAS IN THE
10/15/09 09:12:36 MINORITY OF THREE, THERE WAS A
10/15/09 09:12:38 FOURTH REVOTE, THAT BEING SAID I
10/15/09 09:12:41 VOTED AGAINST IT FOR THE SAME
10/15/09 09:12:43 REASON THAT IT WAS BROUGHT UP
10/15/09 09:12:44 THIS MORNING, HOW CAN YOU HAVE
10/15/09 09:12:47 ORDINANCES AND SAY IF IT DOESN'T
10/15/09 09:12:49 FIT IN THESE CATEGORIES NO
10/15/09 09:12:51 MATTER WHAT YOU CAN DO WHAT YOU
10/15/09 09:12:54 WANT, YOU CAN STILL ISSUE A
10/15/09 09:12:54 CITATION?
10/15/09 09:12:55 THAT'S UN-AMERICAN.
10/15/09 09:12:57 YOU CAN'T JUST GO OUT AND SAY
10/15/09 09:12:58 FIT DOESN'T FIT THE BILL, AND
10/15/09 09:13:01 YOU WANT TO GIVE SOMEBODY A
10/15/09 09:13:04 TICKET, THEN YOU STILL
10/15/09 09:13:05 WRITE THE
10/15/09 09:13:05 TICKET.
10/15/09 09:13:07 THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED IN '4 OR
10/15/09 09:13:10 '88, WHATEVER YEAR IT WAS
10/15/09 09:13:11 ON THE
10/15/09 09:13:14 RING A
10/15/09 09:13:16 DING BICYCLE, THE BELL.
10/15/09 09:13:18 I'M NOT --I DON'T SEE ANYONE'S
10/15/09 09:13:20 VOTE, I AM EXPRESSING MY REASON
10/15/09 09:13:23 I VOTED AGAINST
10/15/09 09:13:24 IT BECAUSE I
10/15/09 09:13:26 THOUGHT IT WAS SO BROAD THAT IT
10/15/09 09:13:29 WOULD NOT BE IN THE BEST OF
10/15/09 09:13:29 THE
10/15/09 09:13:32 GOVERNMENT'S INTEREST AND
10/15/09 09:13:35 OF
10/15/09 09:13:35 THE
10/15/09 09:13:35 PUBLIC'S INTEREST.
10/15/09 09:13:37 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
10/15/09 09:13:37 >> COUNCIL.
10/15/09 09:13:39 >> I GUESS MY QUESTION, HAS
10/15/09 09:13:41 COUNCIL --HAS SOMEBODY BEEN
10/15/09 09:13:44 ASKING FOR THE CHANGE FOR THE
10/15/09 09:13:47 MAKER OF THE MOTION OR WHOEVER
10/15/09 09:13:47 SECONDED IT?
10/15/09 09:13:49 >> THERE WAS SEVERAL PEOPLE IN
10/15/09 09:13:51 THE COMMUNITY SAYING THAT PEOPLE
10/15/09 09:13:52 DIDN'T GIVE YOU VIOLATION FOR
10/15/09 09:13:53 ANYTHING, THEY COULD COME TOUR
10/15/09 09:13:55 NEIGHBORHOOD AND YOU GOT A CAR
10/15/09 09:13:56 PARKED THERE WAS THEY COULD PUT
10/15/09 09:13:58 A TICKET ON YOUR CAR, IT WAS TOO
10/15/09 09:14:00 BROAD AND THEY FEEL LIKE WE NEED
10/15/09 09:14:01 TO DO SOMETHING TO FIX THAT.
10/15/09 09:14:02 >> LET ME SUGGEST TO COUNCIL
10/15/09 09:14:05 BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO
10/15/09 09:14:06 A LONG DISCUSSION ON THAT ISSUE
10/15/09 09:14:08 THIS MORNING, WE COULD DO ONE OF
10/15/09 09:14:10 TWO THINGS, ONE IS THAT WE CAN
10/15/09 09:14:11 HAVE LEGAL BRING BACK AND THEN
10/15/09 09:14:14 DEBATE IT AT THAT TIME, I KNOW
10/15/09 09:14:15 I
10/15/09 09:14:15 DIDN'T VOTE FOR IT.
10/15/09 09:14:16 SO WE COULD HAVE THEM, BRING IT
10/15/09 09:14:19 BACK AT THAT TIME
10/15/09 09:14:20 AND DISCUSS IT
10/15/09 09:14:23 THEN OR WE CAN VOTE FOR IT NOW.
10/15/09 09:14:25 THE MOTION IS ON THE BOARD THIS
10/15/09 09:14:25 MORNING.
10/15/09 09:14:28 >> I SECOND IN THE MOTION AND
10/15/09 09:14:29 I
10/15/09 09:14:31 DID VOTE BUT I HAD RESERVATION
10/15/09 09:14:33 SO I WOULD LIKE TO RECONSIDER.
10/15/09 09:14:34 >> IS THIS IS THE CITATION
10/15/09 09:14:34 ISSUE?
10/15/09 09:14:37 >> YES, WE COULD BRING
10/15/09 09:14:38 IT BACK
10/15/09 09:14:39 AND DISCUSS IT AT LENGTH.
10/15/09 09:14:42 THE MOTION ON THE
10/15/09 09:14:45 FLOOR ALL IN
10/15/09 09:14:47 FAVOR, SAY AYE.
10/15/09 09:14:48 >> AYE.
10/15/09 09:14:48 >> OPPOSE?
10/15/09 09:14:48 OKAY.
10/15/09 09:14:50 THANK YOU.
10/15/09 09:14:52 >> COUNCIL, YOU HAVE A MEMBERMO
10/15/09 09:14:53 FROM JULIE COLD ASKING
10/15/09 09:14:56 RESOLUTION TO BE WALKED ON TO
10/15/09 09:14:59 SET AN A DOP SHOP HEARING
10/15/09 09:15:00 ON THE
10/15/09 09:15:00 CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT ELEMENTS.
10/15/09 09:15:02 >> MOVE TO CONTINUE.
10/15/09 09:15:05 >> ALL IN FAVOR
10/15/09 09:15:06 SAY AYE.
10/15/09 09:15:06 >> AYE.
10/15/09 09:15:06 >> OPPOSE.
10/15/09 09:15:09 >> AND MS. FOX HANDED ME A NOTE
10/15/09 09:15:12 FROM DARRYL SMITH SAYING IF
10/15/09 09:15:15 COUNCIL WISHES TO SET
10/15/09 09:15:17 THE
10/15/09 09:15:18 WORKSHOP EITHER IN NOVEMBER OR
10/15/09 09:15:19 DECEMBER OF 2009.
10/15/09 09:15:22 IN DECEMBER OF 2009, YOU HAVE
10/15/09 09:15:25 ONE WORKSHOP SCHEDULED
10/15/09 09:15:28 AT
10/15/09 09:15:29 11:00
10/15/09 09:15:31 CLOCK TO DISCUSS DROUGHT
10/15/09 09:15:32 TOLERANCE SUSTAINABLE PLAN.
10/15/09 09:15:33 >> IF IT IS DECEMBER THEN --
10/15/09 09:15:36 >> WOULD YOU
10/15/09 09:15:38 LIKE TO DO IT 11:15
10/15/09 09:15:38 THEN?
10/15/09 09:15:39 >> YES.
10/15/09 09:15:39 SECOND.
10/15/09 09:15:42 >> MOVE TO SECOND, ALL IN
10/15/09 09:15:44 FAVOR
10/15/09 09:15:44 SAY AYE.
10/15/09 09:15:44 >> AYE.
10/15/09 09:15:45 >> OPPOSES.
10/15/09 09:15:46 >> ALL RIGHT.
10/15/09 09:15:48 COUNCIL AT 9:30, THERE IS GOING
10/15/09 09:15:50 TO BE A DISCUSSION WITH REGARD
10/15/09 09:15:52 TO ITEM 76 TO 81, ALL OF THOSE
10/15/09 09:15:55 PUBLIC HEARINGS WILL NEED TO BE
10/15/09 09:15:56 OPENED TO BE CONTINUED DECEMBER
10/15/09 09:15:59 3rd, 2009 AT 9:30
10/15/09 09:16:00 SINCE THE
10/15/09 09:16:02 FIRST PUBLIC HEARINGS WERE
10/15/09 09:16:04 CONTINUED NOVEMBER 12th AT 1230.
10/15/09 09:16:06 ITEM 85 YOU HAVE A MEMORANDUM
10/15/09 09:16:07 FROM CITY ATTORNEY CHIP FLETCHER
10/15/09 09:16:09 REQUESTING A CONTINUANCE OF THE
10/15/09 09:16:12 DISCUSSION ON THE HEARING
10/15/09 09:16:14 OFFICER PROCESS RELATING TO
10/15/09 09:16:16 BIDS, RFBs PURCHASING AND
10/15/09 09:16:19 PROCUREMENT, HE IS REQUESTING
10/15/09 09:16:19 NOVEMBER 5th, 2009.
10/15/09 09:16:22 ON THE ITEM 87, THE UPDATE ON
10/15/09 09:16:24 PROPERTY AT NORTH BOULEVARD AND
10/15/09 09:16:25 COLUMBUS DRIVE YOU HAVE A
10/15/09 09:16:28 REQUEST BY DARRYL SMITH CHIEF OF
10/15/09 09:16:29 STAFF FOR A CONTINUANCE TO
10/15/09 09:16:30 NOVEMBER 5th, 2009.
10/15/09 09:16:33 ITEM 89 ON TODAY'S STAFF
10/15/09 09:16:36 REPORTS, AN UPDATE
10/15/09 09:16:36 ON
10/15/09 09:16:37 SUSTAINABLE BILLITY OF LAW AND
10/15/09 09:16:38 MAINTENANCE MACHINERY, THE
10/15/09 09:16:39 RECREATION DIRECTOR HAS ASKED
10/15/09 09:16:41 FOR A CONTINUANCE TO COMBINE
10/15/09 09:16:43 THIS WITH THE WORKSHOP ON
10/15/09 09:16:44 DROUGHT TOLERANCE PLANS WHICH IS
10/15/09 09:16:45 SCHEDULED FOR DECEMBER 10th AT
10/15/09 09:16:46 11:00 A.M.
10/15/09 09:16:49 AND TAKE UP THAT
10/15/09 09:16:52 ITEM AT THE
10/15/09 09:16:52 SAME TIME.
10/15/09 09:16:54 ALSO FOR COUNCIL AND THE
10/15/09 09:16:57 PUBLIC'S KNOWLEDGE, AT 1:30 THIS
10/15/09 09:16:58 AFTERNOON, THERE ARE TWO APPEAL
10/15/09 09:17:00 HEARINGS SCHEDULED, ITEMS 102
10/15/09 09:17:02 AND 10 3-RBG ONE ON A PETITION
10/15/09 09:17:05 OF FIFTH THIRD BANK
10/15/09 09:17:06 AND THE
10/15/09 09:17:09 OTHER ON JASON GOODRICH
10/15/09 09:17:10 AND A
10/15/09 09:17:11 LEXI GONZALES.
10/15/09 09:17:14 THE CITY CLERK WILL RECOMMEND A
10/15/09 09:17:17 CONTINUANCE TO
10/15/09 09:17:19 NOVEMBER 5th,
10/15/09 09:17:21 2009 AT 1:30 P.M.
10/15/09 09:17:24 ITEM 84 IS A DISCUSSION BY
10/15/09 09:17:25 TONJA
10/15/09 09:17:25 BRICKHOUSE REGARDING ITEMS
10/15/09 09:17:28 RELATED TO SOLID WASTE, SHE HAS
10/15/09 09:17:29 AN ITEM THAT WILL BE DISCUSSED
10/15/09 09:17:30 LATE, ITEM 90 BEING REQUESTED
10/15/09 09:17:33 THAT SHE COMBINE ITEMS OR EXCUSE
10/15/09 09:17:36 ME MOVE UP ITEM 90 TO 84 SO SHE
10/15/09 09:17:39 CAN TAKE THEM BOTH UP AT
10/15/09 09:17:42 THE
10/15/09 09:17:42 SAME TIME.
10/15/09 09:17:45 I BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE
10/15/09 09:17:47 QUESTIONS WITH REGARD TO ITEMS
10/15/09 09:17:50 ON THE CONSENT
10/15/09 09:17:53 DOCUMENT AND I
10/15/09 09:17:56 BELIEVE
10/15/09 09:17:59 IT IS A SAUL-SENA WANT
10/15/09 09:17:59 TO RAISE.
10/15/09 09:18:02 >> A CONSTITUENT CONTACTED ME
10/15/09 09:18:02 LAST NIGHT RAISING IMPORTANT
10/15/09 09:18:04 QUESTIONS AND I WONDER IF WE
10/15/09 09:18:06 COULD PUT IT OFF FOR TWO WEEKS
10/15/09 09:18:08 SO WE CAN GET THE QUESTIONS
10/15/09 09:18:10 ANSWERED OR IF YOU DON'T WANT TO
10/15/09 09:18:12 DO THAT WE CAN PULL IT AND HAVE
10/15/09 09:18:13 A LOFT DISCUSSION, IT IS A LOT
10/15/09 09:18:14 OF MONEY AND IT IS VERY
10/15/09 09:18:16 IMPORTANT AND THE QUESTIONS WERE
10/15/09 09:18:18 VERY IMPORTANT AND I WOULD BE
10/15/09 09:18:19 HAPPY TO SHARE THIS WITH
10/15/09 09:18:19 COUNCIL.
10/15/09 09:18:22 >> I DON'T HAVE A
10/15/09 09:18:23 PROBLEM.
10/15/09 09:18:26 WE JUST NEED TO
10/15/09 09:18:28 HEAR FROM CINDY
10/15/09 09:18:29 MILLER BECAUSE I KNOW THIS
10/15/09 09:18:29 NEIGHBORHOOD ORGANIZATION MONEY,
10/15/09 09:18:31 THEY ARE ON A TIME FRAME, THEY
10/15/09 09:18:33 HAVE TO BE SPEND WITHIN A
10/15/09 09:18:34 CERTAIN TIME.
10/15/09 09:18:35 >> WE ALSO NEED TO DO THINGS IN
10/15/09 09:18:38 A WAY THAT WE
10/15/09 09:18:42 ARE COMFORTABLE
10/15/09 09:18:45 WITH THE
10/15/09 09:19:33 PROCESS.
10/15/09 09:19:33 >> OKAY.
10/15/09 09:19:35 MR.CHAIRMAN, I KNOW WITH THIS
10/15/09 09:19:38 MONEY THEY HAVE
10/15/09 09:19:38 TO MEET FEDERAL
10/15/09 09:19:39 GUIDELINES, IF NOT THE MONEY
10/15/09 09:19:42 GOES BACK TO DC AND YOU DON'T
10/15/09 09:19:45 WANT THAT TO HAPPEN.
10/15/09 09:19:45 >> OF COURSE NOT.
10/15/09 09:19:48 >> MAY
10/15/09 09:19:50 I SUGGEST, COUNCIL, YOU
10/15/09 09:19:53 PULL THIS UNSTAFF REPORT WHICH
10/15/09 09:19:53 WOULD GIVE THE ADMINISTRATION
10/15/09 09:19:56 TIME TO ASK
10/15/09 09:19:56 CINDY MILLER TO BE
10/15/09 09:19:58 FROM AND COUNCIL COULD HEAR FROM
10/15/09 09:20:01 HER AND TAKE UP
10/15/09 09:20:03 THE ISSUE OF THE
10/15/09 09:20:06 CONTINUANCE,
10/15/09 09:20:09 IS
10/15/09 09:20:09 THAT ACCEPTABLE?
10/15/09 09:20:09 >> YES.
10/15/09 09:20:10 AND WOULD I WILL DO IS MAKE SOME
10/15/09 09:20:10 OF THESE QUESTIONS THAT WERE
10/15/09 09:20:10 RAISED TO ME LAST NIGHT
10/15/09 09:20:10 AVAILABLE TO MS. MILLER AND THE
10/15/09 09:20:10 COUNCIL, WE NEED LEGAL HERE
10/15/09 09:20:11 BECAUSE IT INVOLVES CONTRACTS
10/15/09 09:20:11 AND SHE HAS QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW
10/15/09 09:20:12 THE CONTRACTS WERE DRAFT AND
10/15/09 09:20:12 REVIEWED.
10/15/09 09:20:12 >> MR. CHAIRMAN, I AM NOT AWARE
10/15/09 09:20:12 OF ANY OTHER DELETIONS OR
10/15/09 09:20:12 ADDITIONS.
10/15/09 09:20:12 >> COUNCIL.
10/15/09 09:20:13 I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION.
10/15/09 09:20:13 I DO HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS
10/15/09 09:20:13 ABOUT THIS AND CINDY MILLER DID
10/15/09 09:20:14 TRY TO CONTACT ME BUT IT WAS
10/15/09 09:20:14 YESTERDAY AND I DIDN'T HAVE A
10/15/09 09:20:14 CHANCE TO TALK TO HER SO WE
10/15/09 09:20:15 DEFINITELY NEED A STAFF REPORT
10/15/09 09:20:15 AND I THINK THAT UNLESS WE
10/15/09 09:20:15 ABSOLUTELY --THEY NEED TO, YOU
10/15/09 09:20:16 KNOW, GET THIS APPROVED TODAY
10/15/09 09:20:17 FOR A DEADLINE TOMORROW, I THINK
10/15/09 09:20:17 WE SHOULD CONTINUE IT TO GET ALL
10/15/09 09:20:17 OF THE QUESTIONS ANSWERED.
10/15/09 09:20:17 >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
10/15/09 09:20:18 A QUESTION IN RELATION TO 14 AND
10/15/09 09:20:18 15 OVER TO --EXCUSE ME.
10/15/09 09:20:21 ITEMS 15 AND 15 RELATED
10/15/09 09:20:21 TO
10/15/09 09:20:22 ROOFING 14 AND 15 AT THE PLANT,
10/15/09 09:20:25 I WANTED TO KNOW HOW GREEN
10/15/09 09:20:28 OF A
10/15/09 09:20:31 ROOF WE ARE PUTTING ON?
10/15/09 09:20:32 I IMAGINE MR. DANGALL'S OFFICE
10/15/09 09:20:32 HAS RESPONDED.
10/15/09 09:20:35 I HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO PICK
10/15/09 09:20:37 THAT UP.
10/15/09 09:20:40 IF
10/15/09 09:20:43 I COULD HOLD
10/15/09 09:20:47 THAT. ITEM 93, THE
10/15/09 09:20:48 DIGITAL BILLBOARD ORDINANCE, I
10/15/09 09:20:49 KNOW THERE ARE PEOPLE IN THE
10/15/09 09:20:50 AUDIENCE THAT ARE HERE FOR THAT
10/15/09 09:20:53 AND I THINK THAT THERE SEEMS
10/15/09 09:20:53 TO
10/15/09 09:20:55 BE DISCUSSION AROUND THE
10/15/09 09:20:57 COMMUNITY FROM THE CALLS I HAVE
10/15/09 09:21:00 GOTTEN ABOUT ASKING US TO WORK
10/15/09 09:21:01 SHOP THAT.
10/15/09 09:21:04 SO I'M JUST THINK THAT MAYBE WE
10/15/09 09:21:05 WANT TO SAY THAT UPFRONT IF THAT
10/15/09 09:21:07 IS THE INTENT OF COUNCIL TO WORK
10/15/09 09:21:10 SHOP THAT AT A FUTURE DATE IN
10/15/09 09:21:11 DECEMBER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT,
10/15/09 09:21:12 OR WHENEVER WE CAN GET TO IT,
10/15/09 09:21:15 THAT WE SHOULD GO AHEAD AND TRY
10/15/09 09:21:18 TO
10/15/09 09:21:18 DO THAT NOW.
10/15/09 09:21:20 THAT'S JUST ON THE DIGITAL
10/15/09 09:21:22 ISSUE, THE ORDINANCE, NOT THE
10/15/09 09:21:24 SETTLEMENT AGREEMENTS WHICH IS
10/15/09 09:21:26 91 AND 92.
10/15/09 09:21:26 SO THAT WOULD BE MY SUGGESTION.
10/15/09 09:21:27 >> SECOND.
10/15/09 09:21:30 >> AND 93 THAT, WE SET
10/15/09 09:21:33 IT FOR
10/15/09 09:21:33 A
10/15/09 09:21:34 WORKSHOP AT A FUTURE DATE.
10/15/09 09:21:37 >> IF YOU WANT
10/15/09 09:21:40 TO PICK A DATE.
10/15/09 09:21:43 >>
10/15/09 09:21:49 MR.
10/15/09 09:22:31 CHAIRMAN.
10/15/09 09:22:32 >> YES.
10/15/09 09:22:32 >> THANK YOU.
10/15/09 09:22:34 THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF
10/15/09 09:22:37 CONFUSION, PEOPLE HAVE ASKED ME
10/15/09 09:22:37 BETWEEN THE BILLBOARD SETTLEMENT
10/15/09 09:22:40 AGREEMENT WHICH IS ONE THING AND
10/15/09 09:22:42 THE DIGITAL CONVERSATION WHICH
10/15/09 09:22:44 IS SOMETHING ELSE, THE
10/15/09 09:22:44 SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT OF COURSE
10/15/09 09:22:47 IS COMING UP TODAY, THE
10/15/09 09:22:48 DIGITAL
10/15/09 09:22:48 DISCUSSIONS MR. DINGFELDER
10/15/09 09:22:51 RAISED
10/15/09 09:22:52 IS SOMETHING FOR THE
10/15/09 09:22:54 FUTURE AND HASN'T HAD A PUBLIC
10/15/09 09:22:54 HEARING.
10/15/09 09:22:56 WE CAN ALL LOOK AT OUR CALENDARS
10/15/09 09:22:57 AND TRY TO FIGURE OUT, I KNOW
10/15/09 09:22:59 THINGS ARE BUSY BUT WE NEED TO
10/15/09 09:23:02 DISCUSS IT BEFORE IT
10/15/09 09:23:03 COMES UP
10/15/09 09:23:03 FOR ANYTHING.
10/15/09 09:23:05 WE HAVE A WORKSHOP IN OCTOBER --
10/15/09 09:23:07 NO, THAT WOULD BE TOO SOON.
10/15/09 09:23:08 >> I THINK THE NEXT WORKSHOP
10/15/09 09:23:10 DATE IS JANUARY, I BELIEVE.
10/15/09 09:23:11 >> THAT WOULD BE CORRECT, SIR.
10/15/09 09:23:14 >> AND BECAUSE OF THE HOLIDAYS,
10/15/09 09:23:15 YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE DAYS IN
10/15/09 09:23:16 NOVEMBER AND DECEMBER THE CRA
10/15/09 09:23:19 AND THE
10/15/09 09:23:22 WORKSHOPS LIKE YOU DID
10/15/09 09:23:28 IN THE PAST AND THOSE ARE
10/15/09 09:23:30 VERY
10/15/09 09:23:30 FULL DAYS.
10/15/09 09:23:33 >> SHOULD WE
10/15/09 09:23:34 WAIT TO HEAR FROM
10/15/09 09:23:37 THE PUBLIC
10/15/09 09:23:39 UNTIL WE SET THE
10/15/09 09:23:39 WORKSHOPS.
10/15/09 09:23:42 >> I
10/15/09 09:23:43 DON'T THINK THERE IS
10/15/09 09:23:44 ANYBODY THAT WANTS TO MOVE
10/15/09 09:23:45 FORWARD ON THE DIGITAL --
10/15/09 09:23:47 >> I THINK WE NEED TO LISTEN AND
10/15/09 09:23:50 SEE WHAT
10/15/09 09:23:50 THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT
10/15/09 09:23:53 SO WE KNOW
10/15/09 09:23:55 WHAT KIND OF WORKSHOP
10/15/09 09:23:56 WE ARE TALKING ABOUT.
10/15/09 09:23:56 >> CHIP FLETCHER CITY ATTORNEY
10/15/09 09:23:56 BETWEEN NOW AND THE STAFF
10/15/09 09:23:57 REPORTS AND IT IS SCHEDULED WE
10/15/09 09:23:57 COULD COME UP WITH SUGGESTED
10/15/09 09:23:58 DATES FOR YOU ALL TO CONSIDER,
10/15/09 09:23:59 OUR INTENTION WAS NOT TO HAVE
10/15/09 09:23:59 YOU ACTUALLY ACT ON THE DIGITAL
10/15/09 09:23:59 BILLBOARD DRAFT ORDINANCE TODAY
10/15/09 09:23:59 SO WE HAVE SOME DATES THAT
10/15/09 09:24:00 TALKED ABOUT BUT IF YOU WOULD
10/15/09 09:24:00 LIKE TO DO IT AT 10:30, WE
10/15/09 09:24:01 COULD, BASED ON THIS
10/15/09 09:24:01 CONVERSATION GIVE YOU A MORE
10/15/09 09:24:01 SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATION.
10/15/09 09:24:01 >> JANUARY WORKSHOP LOOKS LIKE
10/15/09 09:24:02 IT IS FEASIBLE BUT THAT'S FINE.
10/15/09 09:24:02 >> OKAY.
10/15/09 09:24:03 >> I'M NOT SURE THAT WE
10/15/09 09:24:03 SHOULDN'T SET A WORKSHOP, BOTH
10/15/09 09:24:03 OF THESE ITEMS ARE ON THE
10/15/09 09:24:03 AGENDA, THE MOTION MADE TO
10/15/09 09:24:04 COUNCIL WAS TO SEPARATE THOSE
10/15/09 09:24:04 TWO ITEMS.
10/15/09 09:24:05 I AM NOT CONVINCED THAT THEY ARE
10/15/09 09:24:05 AT THIS POINT AND SINCE THERE
10/15/09 09:24:06 ARE PEOPLE HERE FOR THIS ISSUE,
10/15/09 09:24:06 I'M NOT SURE, YOU KNOW, OF WHAT
10/15/09 09:24:06 YOUR IDEA OF DOING THIS AHEAD OF
10/15/09 09:24:07 JUST THE STAFF REPORT ON THE
10/15/09 09:24:07 AGENDA.
10/15/09 09:24:07 >> IT CAN WAIT.
10/15/09 09:24:10 >> I THINK WE SHOULD TAKE IT UP
10/15/09 09:24:11 BECAUSE PERHAPS WE SHOULD
10/15/09 09:24:13 CONTINUE THE OTHER ITEM TOO IF
10/15/09 09:24:14 WE ARE GOING TO CONTINUE THAT.
10/15/09 09:24:17 I WANT TO LET PEOPLE KNOW THAT
10/15/09 09:24:18 I
10/15/09 09:24:19 HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT BOTH.
10/15/09 09:24:22 I THINK THAT I'M GUESSING
10/15/09 09:24:23 THAT
10/15/09 09:24:23 THE PUBLIC DOES, TOO.
10/15/09 09:24:25 AND THE PUBLIC IS WHO IS
10/15/09 09:24:27 INTERESTED IN THIS IS HERE
10/15/09 09:24:27 TODAY.
10/15/09 09:24:30 I'M NOT SURE --SO WE CONTINUE
10/15/09 09:24:33 IT, THIS ISSUE WHICH WE HAVE
10/15/09 09:24:36 BEEN DISCUSSING SINCE --
10/15/09 09:24:37 FOR
10/15/09 09:24:39 PROBABLY LIKE WHAT, FIVE YEARS,
10/15/09 09:24:39 AT LEAST.
10/15/09 09:24:39 SO--
10/15/09 09:24:41 >> I WAS TRYING TO SAVE PEOPLE
10/15/09 09:24:44 THE TROUBLE
10/15/09 09:24:46 OF SITTING AND
10/15/09 09:24:47 WAITING IF WE WERE ULTIMATELY
10/15/09 09:24:48 GOING TO CONTINUE 93.
10/15/09 09:24:50 >> I CAN SEE THAT BUT I GUESS
10/15/09 09:24:51 WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS THAT
10/15/09 09:24:52 IF THERE IS INTEREST IN THE
10/15/09 09:24:55 ISSUE THERE IS GOING TO BE SOME
10/15/09 09:24:58 DISCUSSION AT LEAST ABOUT, I
10/15/09 09:25:01 BELIEVE, ABOUT THE SETTLEMENT
10/15/09 09:25:03 AGREEMENT IF WE CAN DISCUSS IT.
10/15/09 09:25:06 >> MR. CHAIRMAN, THERE'S TWO
10/15/09 09:25:07 ISSUES HERE, ONE IS OBVIOUSLY
10/15/09 09:25:08 THE SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT, THE
10/15/09 09:25:09 DIRECTION OF COUNCIL AND THE
10/15/09 09:25:11 DIRECTION OF THE MAYOR WAS TO
10/15/09 09:25:12 TAKE OUT OF THE SETTLEMENT
10/15/09 09:25:14 AGREEMENTS ANY REFERENCE TO
10/15/09 09:25:17 DIGITAL BILLBOARDS AND THAT'S
10/15/09 09:25:18 BEEN DONE.
10/15/09 09:25:19 WHAT IS LEFT IN THERE IS FOCUSED
10/15/09 09:25:21 --IS EXACTLY WHAT WAS BEFORE
10/15/09 09:25:24 YOU ALL BEFORE AND I THINK WE
10/15/09 09:25:26 HAD THREE MEETINGS WITH
10/15/09 09:25:29 DISCUSSIONS, ONE MEETING THAT
10/15/09 09:25:30 WE
10/15/09 09:25:31 STILL HAD NEGOTIATIONS GOING ON
10/15/09 09:25:34 WITH --WE ENDED UP NOT HAVING A
10/15/09 09:25:36 LOT OF DIALOGUE, BUT THERE IS
10/15/09 09:25:37 NOTHING NEW IN THE AGREEMENTS,
10/15/09 09:25:40 FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE, OUR
10/15/09 09:25:43 RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO
10/15/09 09:25:43 CONSIDER THOSE SETTLEMENT
10/15/09 09:25:46 AGREEMENTS TODAY, TWO REASONS:
10/15/09 09:25:47 ONE IS THAT THEY ARE THOROUGHLY
10/15/09 09:25:50 DIGESTED OVER THE LAST YEAR AND
10/15/09 09:25:50 FROM OUR VIEW.
10/15/09 09:25:52 THERE IS NO SURPRISES FOR
10/15/09 09:25:53 ANYBODY IN THERE.
10/15/09 09:25:56 I'M SURE THERE ARE FOLKS THAT
10/15/09 09:25:57 HAVE ISSUES WITH THEM BUT I
10/15/09 09:25:58 WORLD EXPECT AND WHAT I HAVE
10/15/09 09:26:01 HEARD SO FAR THE SAME ISSUES THE
10/15/09 09:26:04 LAST TIME WE WERE HERE
10/15/09 09:26:06 BEFORE
10/15/09 09:26:06 YOU ALL.
10/15/09 09:26:08 WE HAVE GOTTEN EXTENSIONS FROM
10/15/09 09:26:09 THE COURT TO CONTINUE THE
10/15/09 09:26:11 LITIGATION BUT IN ONE OF THE GOT
10/15/09 09:26:13 CASES WE HAVE A DEADLINE THAT
10/15/09 09:26:15 THE COURT HAS IMPOSED TO THE 1st
10/15/09 09:26:17 OF DECEMBER, IF WE DON'T GET
10/15/09 09:26:19 RESOLUTION ON THAT ONE SOON,
10/15/09 09:26:22 THEY AND US
10/15/09 09:26:24 WILL HAVE TO START
10/15/09 09:26:27 GEARING UP TO GO BACK INTO
10/15/09 09:26:28 LITIGATION, OUR PREFERENCE WOULD
10/15/09 09:26:31 BE TO MOVE FORWARD ON THE
10/15/09 09:26:31 SETTLEMENT TODAY.
10/15/09 09:26:33 THE ORDINANCE NEEDS TO BE SET
10/15/09 09:26:35 FORWARD FOR A FUTURE HEARING OR
10/15/09 09:26:37 WORKSHOP OR WHATEVER COUNCIL'S
10/15/09 09:26:38 PLEASURE IS AND WE CAN MAKE
10/15/09 09:26:40 RECOMMENDATION TO YOU HOW TO DO
10/15/09 09:26:41 THAT AND WHEN TO DO THAT AFTER
10/15/09 09:26:44 LOOKING AT THE CALENDAR AND WHAT
10/15/09 09:26:46 ELSE IS ON THERE IF THAT'S
10/15/09 09:26:47 COUNCIL'S PLEASURE.
10/15/09 09:26:49 I DIDN'T WANT TO PRESUME TO DO
10/15/09 09:26:50 ANYTHING WITH THAT ORDINANCE
10/15/09 09:26:52 UNTIL YOU ALL HAD SEEN IT AND IT
10/15/09 09:26:54 SEEMED LIKE THE BEST WAY TO DO
10/15/09 09:26:56 IT WAS THROUGH A STAFF REPORT,
10/15/09 09:26:58 IF IT IS COUNCIL'S PLEASURE TO
10/15/09 09:27:00 SET IT FOR CONSIDERATION IN THE
10/15/09 09:27:03 FUTURE, I WAS GOING TO WAIT FOR
10/15/09 09:27:05 COUNCIL'S DECISION HOW TO MOVE
10/15/09 09:27:07 FORWARD ON THE ORDINANCE BUT THE
10/15/09 09:27:08 SETTLEMENT RECOMMENDATION IS TO
10/15/09 09:27:09 MOVE FORWARD TODAY.
10/15/09 09:27:11 >> I'M HAPPY TO DISCUSS THAT
10/15/09 09:27:14 WHEN THE STAFF REPORT COMES
10/15/09 09:27:15 UP.
10/15/09 09:27:18 BUT I FOUND AT LEAST TWO
10/15/09 09:27:21 REFERENCES TO
10/15/09 09:27:22 ELECTRONIC MEDIA
10/15/09 09:27:22 IN THE SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT.
10/15/09 09:27:25 I THINK --UNLESS THERE IS
10/15/09 09:27:26 A NEW
10/15/09 09:27:28 AGREEMENT FROM WHAT I GOT
10/15/09 09:27:31 YESTERDAY, I WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW
10/15/09 09:27:33 THIS ARE REFERENCES IN THIS
10/15/09 09:27:36 AGREEMENT AND THAT DID
10/15/09 09:27:36 NOT
10/15/09 09:27:38 SATISFY WHAT I THOUGHT COUNCIL
10/15/09 09:27:39 HAD ASKED FOR TO COMPLETELY
10/15/09 09:27:40 SEPARATE THEM.
10/15/09 09:27:41 I KNOW WE DON'T WANT TO TALK
10/15/09 09:27:44 ABOUT IT NOW BUT I WANT THE
10/15/09 09:27:44 PUBLIC TO KNOW THAT.
10/15/09 09:27:47 >> WE WILL TAKE IT UP DURING
10/15/09 09:27:47 STAFF REPORT.
10/15/09 09:27:50 >> AND THE PURPOSE OF THOSE
10/15/09 09:27:51 TWO
10/15/09 09:27:52 REFERENCES IS TO MAKE SURE
10/15/09 09:27:54 THERE'S NO INFERENCE IN THAT
10/15/09 09:27:55 AGREEMENT SO WE ARE CLEAR.
10/15/09 09:27:57 WE HAVE WORKED VERY HARD TO KEEP
10/15/09 09:27:59 THEM SEPARATE SO SOME TIME DOWN
10/15/09 09:28:02 THE ROAD NO BILLBOARD
10/15/09 09:28:02 COMPANY
10/15/09 09:28:04 CAN ARGUE THOSE SETTLEMENT
10/15/09 09:28:07 AGREEMENTS BIND COUNSEL'S
10/15/09 09:28:11 HAND
10/15/09 09:28:12 ON ANYTHING RELATED TO DIGITAL
10/15/09 09:28:12 BILLBOARDS.
10/15/09 09:28:12 >> COUNCILMAN.
10/15/09 09:28:15 >> THE PROBLEM IS WE HAVE ONE OF
10/15/09 09:28:16 THOSE ITEMS SCHEDULED AT 10:30
10/15/09 09:28:18 AND THERE ARE PEOPLE HERE THAT
10/15/09 09:28:19 WANT TO LEAVE AND WANT TO LISTEN
10/15/09 09:28:22 TO IT AND WHAT WE ARE GOING TO
10/15/09 09:28:25 DO BUT WHAT IF WE CHANGE IT
10/15/09 09:28:26 AND
10/15/09 09:28:29 SOMEBODY COMES IN AFTER THAT AND
10/15/09 09:28:30 THEY ARE NOT HERE.
10/15/09 09:28:30 THAT'S ONE THING.
10/15/09 09:28:31 SINCE WE ARE PULLING THINGS AND
10/15/09 09:28:34 AGAIN THIS IS NOT THE FIRST TIME
10/15/09 09:28:37 I BROUGHT IT UP,
10/15/09 09:28:39 I BROUGHT IT UP
10/15/09 09:28:42 BEFORE WITH THE ATTORNEY FOR
10/15/09 09:28:42 THE
10/15/09 09:28:44 CITY COUNCIL, WE HAVE RULES AND
10/15/09 09:28:47 REGULATIONS THAT WE OURSELVES
10/15/09 09:28:49 DO
10/15/09 09:28:52 NOT FOLLOW SO WHAT I'M GOING TO
10/15/09 09:28:54 DO HENCEFORTH AS THE CHAIRMAN OF
10/15/09 09:28:57 PUBLIC WORKS I'M NOT GOING TO
10/15/09 09:28:59 APPROVE MY OWN COMMITTEE, I'M
10/15/09 09:29:00 GOING TO GO ITEM BY ITEM BY ITEM
10/15/09 09:29:02 AND I WILL EXPRESS TO YOU WHAT
10/15/09 09:29:05 ALL OF THOSE ITEMS ARE SO
10/15/09 09:29:05 EVERYONE IS SATISFIED.
10/15/09 09:29:08 >> MAYBE TAKE A LITTLE LONGER
10/15/09 09:29:11 BUT AT LEAST
10/15/09 09:29:11 WE'LL KNOW WHAT'S
10/15/09 09:29:13 GOING ON.
10/15/09 09:29:16 >> IS THERE A MOTION
10/15/09 09:29:16 TO APPROVE
10/15/09 09:29:16 THE AGENDA?
10/15/09 09:29:19 >> DOES IT INCLUDE
10/15/09 09:29:22 PULLING THE
10/15/09 09:29:23 ITEMS I ASKED FOR DISCUSSION?
10/15/09 09:29:24 >> YES.
10/15/09 09:29:25 >> UNTIL MS. MILLER COMES.
10/15/09 09:29:26 >> SO MOVED.
10/15/09 09:29:26 >> SECOND.
10/15/09 09:29:29 >> ALL IN FAVOR
10/15/09 09:29:30 SAY BY AYE.
10/15/09 09:29:31 >> AYE.
10/15/09 09:29:31 >> OPPOSES.
10/15/09 09:29:31 >> OKAY.
10/15/09 09:29:32 THANK YOU.
10/15/09 09:29:33 >> WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT AT
10/15/09 09:29:34 THIS TIME.
10/15/09 09:29:37 WE HAVE 30 MINUTES SET ASIDE FOR
10/15/09 09:29:39 THOSE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA FIRST.
10/15/09 09:29:40 THOSE ITEMS THAT ARE ON THE
10/15/09 09:29:43 AGENDA THAT YOU WANT TO SPEAK
10/15/09 09:29:44 TO, YOU MAY COME AT THIS TIME.
10/15/09 09:29:47 >> STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS,
10/15/09 09:29:49 YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
10/15/09 09:29:52 >> GOOD
10/15/09 09:29:53 MORNING I'M RANDY BARON,
10/15/09 09:29:55 217 WEST APACHE AVENUE AND
10/15/09 09:29:56 VICE-PRESIDENT OF SAM.
10/15/09 09:29:57 WE ARE HERE ABOUT THE
10/15/09 09:30:00 BILLBOARDS, WE SPENT A LOT OF
10/15/09 09:30:00 TIME TALKING ABOUT THEM.
10/15/09 09:30:02 THE FIRST THING I WANT TO SAY WE
10/15/09 09:30:04 WILL BE ASKING FOR A TWO WEEK
10/15/09 09:30:06 CONTINUANCE ON THE SETTLEMENT
10/15/09 09:30:06 AGREEMENTS.
10/15/09 09:30:09 WE FIRST FOUND OUT ABOUT THE
10/15/09 09:30:10 SETTLEMENT AGREEMENTS ON FRIDAY.
10/15/09 09:30:11 SIX DAYS IS NOT ENOUGH TIME TO
10/15/09 09:30:12 GO THROUGH THESE AGREEMENTS.
10/15/09 09:30:15 WE DON'T KNOW IF
10/15/09 09:30:16 THEY ARE THE
10/15/09 09:30:18 SAME AGREEMENTS, WE DON'T KNOW
10/15/09 09:30:19 THEY HAVE CHANGED.
10/15/09 09:30:22 WE HAVE FOUND PORTIONS AGREED TO
10/15/09 09:30:24 BY THE BILLBOARD COMPANIES AND
10/15/09 09:30:26 PRIOR AGREEMENTS SPECIFICALLY
10/15/09 09:30:27 REGARDING RESIDENTIAL ACROSS THE
10/15/09 09:30:28 STREET FROM BILLBOARDS.
10/15/09 09:30:30 THERE IS STILL SOME QUESTIONS
10/15/09 09:30:33 ABOUT WHAT SOME OF THESE
10/15/09 09:30:37 CLAUSES
10/15/09 09:30:37 MEAN.
10/15/09 09:30:37 WE ARE TALKING ABOUT.
10/15/09 09:30:41 INTENT BUT WHEN YOU
10/15/09 09:30:42 ARE TALKING
10/15/09 09:30:45 ABOUT PER PET TO YOUITY NOT
10/15/09 09:30:51 SOMETHING YOU CAN
10/15/09 09:30:56 FIX
10/15/09 09:30:58 LEGISLATURE ACTION.
10/15/09 09:31:00 THERE IS SOME INTERPRETATION
10/15/09 09:31:02 THAT SAYS THAT IT DOES.
10/15/09 09:31:03 CITY ATTORNEYS DISAGREE, WE ARE
10/15/09 09:31:04 STILL DISCUSSING THAT, THESE ARE
10/15/09 09:31:06 ISSUES THAT CAME UP IN A MEETING
10/15/09 09:31:07 ON TUESDAY.
10/15/09 09:31:11 THERE ARE QUESTIONS ABOUT
10/15/09 09:31:12 SCREENING, THERE ARE QUESTIONS
10/15/09 09:31:14 ABOUT DISTANCES BETWEEN
10/15/09 09:31:15 RESIDENTIAL AND THE BILLBOARDS.
10/15/09 09:31:18 QUESTIONS ABOUT WHERE THESE
10/15/09 09:31:19 THINGS CAN GO UNCERTAIN
10/15/09 09:31:19 CONDITIONS.
10/15/09 09:31:21 I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT AFTER
10/15/09 09:31:22 ALL OF THE TIME THAT WE HAVE
10/15/09 09:31:23 LITIGATED THIS AND DISCUSSED IT
10/15/09 09:31:25 THAT WE TAKE ANOTHER TWO WEEKS
10/15/09 09:31:27 TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL PARTIES
10/15/09 09:31:29 CAN READ THE AGREEMENT AND FULLY
10/15/09 09:31:29 UNDERSTAND ITS IMPLICATIONS.
10/15/09 09:31:31 I'M NOT SAYING IT IS BAD OR
10/15/09 09:31:32 GOOD, I'M JUST SAYING THERE ARE
10/15/09 09:31:35 PARTS IN HERE THAT WE
10/15/09 09:31:36 NEED TO
10/15/09 09:31:37 KNOW WHAT WHAT THE RAMIFICATIONS
10/15/09 09:31:38 ARE BECAUSE THIS IS A BINDING
10/15/09 09:31:38 AGREEMENT.
10/15/09 09:31:41 BY THE WAY WHEN YOU SIGN THIS OR
10/15/09 09:31:43 APPROVE THIS AGREEMENT YOU START
10/15/09 09:31:44 THE CLOCK RUNNING ON DIGITAL.
10/15/09 09:31:46 BECAUSE THERE IS AN OPTION
10/15/09 09:31:48 CLAUSE IN HERE THAT SAYS THAT
10/15/09 09:31:50 THE BILLBOARD COMPANIES HAVE SIX
10/15/09 09:31:53 MONTHS FOR CLEAR CHANNEL AND
10/15/09 09:31:55 FOUR MONTHS FOR CBS, THAT THEY
10/15/09 09:31:56 CAN WAIT THAT PERIOD OF TIME IN
10/15/09 09:31:58 ORDER TO APPROVE THIS AGREEMENT.
10/15/09 09:32:00 I'M ASKING ALL OF YOU DO YOU
10/15/09 09:32:02 THINK THAT THERE'S NOT A DIGITAL
10/15/09 09:32:04 ORDINANCE IN PLACE THAT
10/15/09 09:32:05 BILLBOARD COMPANIES ARE GOING TO
10/15/09 09:32:06 APPROVE THIS AGREEMENT.
10/15/09 09:32:07 ONCE THIS THING IS APPROVED THE
10/15/09 09:32:10 CLOCK IS
10/15/09 09:32:13 RUNNING AND WE NEED
10/15/09 09:32:14 TO
10/15/09 09:32:14 GET DIGITAL.
10/15/09 09:32:16 THAT U SURPS THE POLICY ISSUE,
10/15/09 09:32:18 THE QUESTION IS DO WE WANT
10/15/09 09:32:21 DIGITAL IN THIS CITY, THAT IS UP
10/15/09 09:32:22 FOR YOU TO DECIDE.
10/15/09 09:32:23 WE SHOULD WORKSHOP THE DIGITAL
10/15/09 09:32:25 ORDINANCE AND I THINK THAT STAFF
10/15/09 09:32:28 SHOULD BE INSTRUCTED TO
10/15/09 09:32:29 MEET
10/15/09 09:32:31 WITH THE PARTY IES PRIOR TO THE
10/15/09 09:32:31 WORKSHOP.
10/15/09 09:32:32 I THINK THERE SHOULD BE FULL
10/15/09 09:32:34 PUBLIC INPUT ON WHETHER OR NOT
10/15/09 09:32:37 THIS CITY WANTS TO GO TO
10/15/09 09:32:38 DIGITAL
10/15/09 09:32:40 AND IF SO WHERE THOSE DIGITAL
10/15/09 09:32:40 BILLBOARDS SHOULD GO.
10/15/09 09:32:43 I HAVE BEEN
10/15/09 09:32:45 AUTHORIZED ON BEHALF
10/15/09 09:32:48 OF THE WEST SHORE ALLIANCE AND
10/15/09 09:32:51 FAN TO ASK FOR THIS TWO WEEK
10/15/09 09:32:51 CONTINUANCE.
10/15/09 09:32:54 I DON'T THINK IT IS UNREASONABLE
10/15/09 09:32:54 OR UNFAIR.
10/15/09 09:32:57 WITH RESPECT TO HOW COMPLICATED
10/15/09 09:32:59 IT IS AND THE RAMIFICATIONS ON
10/15/09 09:33:01 THE CITY I WOULD ASK FOR THAT
10/15/09 09:33:04 CONTINUANCE AND ON
10/15/09 09:33:07 THE WORKSHOP
10/15/09 09:33:10 TO
10/15/09 09:33:13 MEET WITH
10/15/09 09:33:13 STAFF.
10/15/09 09:33:14 THANK YOU.
10/15/09 09:33:14 >> PETE JOHNSON.
10/15/09 09:33:15 TEMPLE HAIR RACE FLORIDA, I WANT
10/15/09 09:33:18 TO TALK ABOUT THE SIGN CODE
10/15/09 09:33:20 WITH
10/15/09 09:33:21 THE DIGITAL SIGNS.
10/15/09 09:33:22 THIS IS THE WORSE PIECE OF
10/15/09 09:33:24 LEGISLATION THAT I HAVE READ.
10/15/09 09:33:27 I'M SORRY, IT IS LIKE SOMEBODY
10/15/09 09:33:27 SOLD OUT THE WHITE HOUSE.
10/15/09 09:33:30 IT IS HORRIBLE.
10/15/09 09:33:32 SECOND THING I WANT TO TALK
10/15/09 09:33:34 ABOUT, CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS,
10/15/09 09:33:35 CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE VOTED
10/15/09 09:33:38 IN AND THEY HAVE ONE DAY A WEEK
10/15/09 09:33:41 THAT THEY ARE REQUIRED
10/15/09 09:33:43 TO BE
10/15/09 09:33:43 HERE.
10/15/09 09:33:43 OKAY?
10/15/09 09:33:44 EVERY OTHER RESPONSIBILITY THAT
10/15/09 09:33:47 YOU HAVE I UNDERSTAND IT'S A
10/15/09 09:33:48 LOT.
10/15/09 09:33:51 BUT WHEN ONE CITY COUNCIL
10/15/09 09:33:52 MEMBER
10/15/09 09:33:55 IS NOT HERE THEN ANY VRB OR
10/15/09 09:33:56 ANY
10/15/09 09:33:57 DISCUSSION CAN BE POSTPONED AND
10/15/09 09:33:57 POSTPONED AND POSTPONED.
10/15/09 09:34:00 IF MORE SCOTT IS
10/15/09 09:34:03 NOT GOING
10/15/09 09:34:06 TO BE
10/15/09 09:34:08 HERE AT 1:30, MR. MICKELENA HAS
10/15/09 09:34:10 A RIGHT TO POSTPONED THE VRB
10/15/09 09:34:10 HEARING.
10/15/09 09:34:12 THIS HAS GONE ON AND ON FOR
10/15/09 09:34:12 MONTHS.
10/15/09 09:34:14 I'M SORRY COUNCIL MEMBERS THIS
10/15/09 09:34:17 IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO BE
10/15/09 09:34:20 HERE ALL DAY UNLESS THERE IS AN
10/15/09 09:34:20 EXTREME EMERGENCY.
10/15/09 09:34:23 I JUST
10/15/09 09:34:26 GOT OUT OF THE
10/15/09 09:34:30 HOSPITAL
10/15/09 09:34:33 WITH PNEUMONIA.
10/15/09 09:34:34 I'M HERE.
10/15/09 09:34:36 THERE'S NO REASON YOU CAN BE
10/15/09 09:34:36 HERE.
10/15/09 09:34:40 THE CITATION PROGRAM, ANOTHER
10/15/09 09:34:43 THING, IT STARTS OFF
10/15/09 09:34:44 WITH A
10/15/09 09:34:45 NOTICE OF CITATION, NOT
10/15/09 09:34:48 IMMEDIATELY GIVEN A CITATION,
10/15/09 09:34:51 OKAY, THEY ARE
10/15/09 09:34:53 GIVEN A NOTICE.
10/15/09 09:34:55 THERE IS 90% COMPLIANCE ON THE
10/15/09 09:34:57 NOTICE THEMSELVES RATHER THAN
10/15/09 09:35:00 GOING THROUGH THE CODE BOARD.
10/15/09 09:35:01 SO NOT EVERY TIME WE TALK ABOUT
10/15/09 09:35:04 CITATION DOES IT MEAN THAT A
10/15/09 09:35:05 CITATION IS WRITTEN.
10/15/09 09:35:07 IT IS ONLY WRITTEN WHEN THEY
10/15/09 09:35:09 NOTICE IT IS IGNORED BY THE
10/15/09 09:35:09 PROPERTY OWNER.
10/15/09 09:35:12 THIS IS THE BEST PIECE OF POLICY
10/15/09 09:35:13 THE CITY COULD EVER USE.
10/15/09 09:35:16 THEY DO NOT HAVE TO GIVE
10/15/09 09:35:17 OUT A
10/15/09 09:35:18 CITATION IF THEY SEE SOME
10/15/09 09:35:18 IMPROVEMENT.
10/15/09 09:35:21 ANOTHER THING I WOULD LIKE
10/15/09 09:35:22 TO
10/15/09 09:35:25 BRING UP TO
10/15/09 09:35:28 DISCUSSION IS EVERY
10/15/09 09:35:30 TIME CITY COUNCIL PASSES AN
10/15/09 09:35:31 ORDINANCE, ANY ORDINANCE,
10/15/09 09:35:34 THERE'S ONE DEPARTMENT THAT IS
10/15/09 09:35:37 RESPONSIBLE FOR ENFORCING IT.
10/15/09 09:35:38 THAT'S CODE ENFORCEMENT.
10/15/09 09:35:41 BUT YOU DO NOT EQUAL THE
10/15/09 09:35:42 MONEY
10/15/09 09:35:42 OUT.
10/15/09 09:35:42 CODE ENFORCEMENT IS SO
10/15/09 09:35:45 OVERBOOKED AND SO UNDERPAID AND
10/15/09 09:35:47 SO STRETCHED OUT THAT IT IS
10/15/09 09:35:47 RIDICULOUS.
10/15/09 09:35:49 SO ANYTIME YOU PASS AN
10/15/09 09:35:50 ORDINANCE, JUST THINK, HOW IS
10/15/09 09:35:53 THIS GOING TO BE ENFORCED AND
10/15/09 09:35:55 WHO IS GOING TO ENFORCE IT?
10/15/09 09:35:56 IF YOU DON'T GIVE CODE
10/15/09 09:35:58 ENFORCEMENT THE DUE PROCESS AND
10/15/09 09:35:59 THE DUE MONEY THAT THEY NEED TO,
10/15/09 09:36:02 THEN EVERY SINGLE ONE OF
10/15/09 09:36:07 THESE
10/15/09 09:36:10 THAT YOU PASS
10/15/09 09:36:12 IS LUDICROUS.
10/15/09 09:36:14 THANK YOU.
10/15/09 09:36:16 >> GOOD MORNING CITY COUNCIL,
10/15/09 09:36:17 SPENCER PASS REPRESENTING THE
10/15/09 09:36:18 NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, I AM
10/15/09 09:36:20 HERE ON THE BILLBOARD AGREEMENT,
10/15/09 09:36:23 ITEMS
10/15/09 09:36:26 ONE TWO AND
10/15/09 09:36:26 THREE.
10/15/09 09:36:29 VIRGINIA PARK HAD SENT AN E-MAIL
10/15/09 09:36:31 SO WE COULD BE EXCLUDED.
10/15/09 09:36:33 OTHER AREAS GET EXCLUSION, THE
10/15/09 09:36:35 OVERLAYS HAVE TO BE IN PLACE
10/15/09 09:36:37 BEFORE THE AGREEMENT IS SIGNED.
10/15/09 09:36:37 THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT HAS
10/15/09 09:36:38 DETERMINED THAT BILLBOARD THINGS
10/15/09 09:36:41 DO NOT HAVE TO GO IN FRONT OF
10/15/09 09:36:42 THE PLANNING COMMISSION SO IF
10/15/09 09:36:44 THIS DOES GET DELAYED FOR TWO
10/15/09 09:36:45 WEEKS, WE ASK THAT IT BE DELAYED
10/15/09 09:36:48 FOR TWO WEEKS SO YOU CAN ORDER
10/15/09 09:36:51 STAFF TO CREATE AN OVERLADIES
10/15/09 09:36:52 TRICK FOR US.
10/15/09 09:36:53 WE ALREADY HAVE A NUMBER OF
10/15/09 09:36:54 BILLBOARDS IN VIRGINIA PARK.
10/15/09 09:36:56 THERE IS A LOT OF CONCERN.
10/15/09 09:36:58 I WANT TO POINT OUT THAT THIS
10/15/09 09:36:59 SORT OF LOOKS WHAT THE CITY IS
10/15/09 09:37:00 DOING IS A CONTRACT ZONING.
10/15/09 09:37:02 THEY ARE TRYING TO MAKE IT SEEM
10/15/09 09:37:03 THAT IT IS NOT CONTRACT ZONING
10/15/09 09:37:05 BUT WHAT THEY ARE DOING IS
10/15/09 09:37:07 CONTRACT ZONING WHICH IS NOT
10/15/09 09:37:07 ALLOWED IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA.
10/15/09 09:37:10 I WANT TO POINT OUT THAT IN
10/15/09 09:37:13 THE
10/15/09 09:37:14 SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT THERE ARE
10/15/09 09:37:16 NO SEPARATION DISTANCES BETWEEN
10/15/09 09:37:17 THE SIGN SO WHERE THERE'S
10/15/09 09:37:19 SEPARATION DISTANCES THEY SAY
10/15/09 09:37:21 THEY HAVE TO HAVE DISTANCE THE
10/15/09 09:37:22 CITY DOESN'T, YOU CAN END UP
10/15/09 09:37:25 WITH A WALL OF THESE THINGS.
10/15/09 09:37:26 YOU CAN JUST STACK THEM AT
10/15/09 09:37:27 DIFFERENT HEIGHTS.
10/15/09 09:37:28 THIS WAS BROUGHT UP LAST TIME
10/15/09 09:37:30 AND NOT BEING COVERED TODAY.
10/15/09 09:37:31 THERE ARE STRICTER LIGHT LIMITS
10/15/09 09:37:34 ON THE DIGITAL THAN ON THE
10/15/09 09:37:34 REGULAR.
10/15/09 09:37:35 YOU COULD HAVE TEN TIMES THE
10/15/09 09:37:37 AMOUNT OF LIGHT ON THE BILL
10/15/09 09:37:39 TOWARDS ON THE SETTLEMENT
10/15/09 09:37:42 AGREEMENT THAN ON THE DIGITAL
10/15/09 09:37:45 AND I DIDN'T THINK IT IS
10/15/09 09:37:45 RIGHT
10/15/09 09:37:48 TO LET LIGHTS GO INTO HOMES
10/15/09 09:37:49 THAN
10/15/09 09:37:50 TEN TIMES THAN DIGITAL.
10/15/09 09:37:52 NO ONE GETS PER PET YOU RIGHTS
10/15/09 09:37:55 BUT
10/15/09 09:37:58 YOU ARE CREATING A PER PET
10/15/09 09:38:01 YOUAL BANK THAT CAN TAKE THESE
10/15/09 09:38:01 DOWN.
10/15/09 09:38:03 THEY LOSE THE LEASE, THEY CAN
10/15/09 09:38:03 PUT SOMETHING ELSE UP.
10/15/09 09:38:06 NOBODY ELSE IN THE CITY GET THAT
10/15/09 09:38:08 SORT OF RIGHT.
10/15/09 09:38:10 I WOULD ASK FOR FAIRNESS, THAT
10/15/09 09:38:11 LARGE ORGANIZATIONS SHOULD NOT
10/15/09 09:38:14 GET RIGHT THAT THE REST OF
10/15/09 09:38:14 US
10/15/09 09:38:15 DON'T GET.
10/15/09 09:38:18 I DON'T THINK IT IS APPROPRIATE
10/15/09 09:38:21 AND I
10/15/09 09:38:24 WOULD
10/15/09 09:38:26 ASK THAT IT BE
10/15/09 09:38:26 CONTINUED.
10/15/09 09:38:27 THANK YOU.
10/15/09 09:38:30 >>> I'M HERE FOR THE VAN
10/15/09 09:38:31 ZONING
10/15/09 09:38:31 COMMITTEE.
10/15/09 09:38:33 WE HAVE NOT EVEN AS THE ZONING
10/15/09 09:38:36 COMMITTEE BEEN ABLE TO GET
10/15/09 09:38:39 TOGETHER TO MAKE
10/15/09 09:38:40 RECOMMENDATION
10/15/09 09:38:40 TO VAN.
10/15/09 09:38:42 VAN WON'T MEET AGAIN REALLY
10/15/09 09:38:45 UNTIL NOVEMBER
10/15/09 09:38:47 BECAUSE THIS
10/15/09 09:38:49 MONTH'S MEETING CAN'T BE REGULAR
10/15/09 09:38:49 MEETING.
10/15/09 09:38:50 VAN--THE FIVE MEMBERS OF THE
10/15/09 09:38:53 ZONING COMMITTEE OF TEN
10/15/09 09:38:55 DID SIT
10/15/09 09:38:57 WITH THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT ON
10/15/09 09:38:57 TUESDAY AND LISTENED.
10/15/09 09:39:00 WE HAD GREAT CONCERNS ABOUT
10/15/09 09:39:00 SOME
10/15/09 09:39:03 OF THE THINGS THAT HAS BEEN
10/15/09 09:39:03 SAID.
10/15/09 09:39:05 THERE WERE AGREEMENTS THAT WOULD
10/15/09 09:39:06 BE CHANGED IN THE AGREEMENT.
10/15/09 09:39:08 AS MR. FLETCHER SAID IT IS BACK
10/15/09 09:39:11 TO THE WAY IT WAS.
10/15/09 09:39:14 THAT WAS OUR PROBLEM BACK THEN
10/15/09 09:39:17 SO THEY ARE NOT AGREED TO DO
10/15/09 09:39:17 ANYTHING.
10/15/09 09:39:20 AS FAR AS THE ORDINANCE, IT IS
10/15/09 09:39:23 VERY INTERESTING THAT IN THE
10/15/09 09:39:26 AGREEMENT UNLESS WE PASS THE
10/15/09 09:39:28 BILLBOARD --I MEAN THE DIGITAL
10/15/09 09:39:30 BOARD ORDINANCE, THEY DON'T HAVE
10/15/09 09:39:33 TO SIGN WHICH IS VERY
10/15/09 09:39:37 INTERESTING.
10/15/09 09:39:39 SO IF YOU DO PASS THE DIGITAL
10/15/09 09:39:42 BILLBOARD THEN --AND THEY
10/15/09 09:39:42 DON'T
10/15/09 09:39:44 SIGN WE GOT DIGITAL BILLBOARDS
10/15/09 09:39:44 ANYWAY.
10/15/09 09:39:47 SO THAT'S
10/15/09 09:39:49 A LOT OF PROBLEMS.
10/15/09 09:39:50 A LOT OF MAYBE MISUNDERSTANDING,
10/15/09 09:39:52 MAYBE THINGS THAT BECAUSE IT HAS
10/15/09 09:39:55 BEEN SUCH A SHORT TIME SINCE WE
10/15/09 09:39:58 GOT THIS INFORMATION THAT WE
10/15/09 09:40:00 NEED TO FIND OUT, TOO.
10/15/09 09:40:03 SO PLEASE POSTPONE THE AGREEMENT
10/15/09 09:40:06 AND PUT THE ORDINANCE OFF UNTIL
10/15/09 09:40:07 NEXT YEAR.
10/15/09 09:40:09 THE WORKSHOP --I MEAN THE
10/15/09 09:40:10 WORKSHOP IN DECEMBER AND THEN
10/15/09 09:40:13 YOU KNOW THEN YOU WOULD
10/15/09 09:40:14 GO FOR
10/15/09 09:40:14 THE HEARING.
10/15/09 09:40:16 SO THAT'S WHAT I WOULD ASK
10/15/09 09:40:19 COUNCIL TO PLEASE DO IT AND IF
10/15/09 09:40:22 YOU DO IT
10/15/09 09:40:23 NOW, YOU YOU WON'T
10/15/09 09:40:25 HAVE TO LISTEN TO EVERYBODY
10/15/09 09:40:25 ELSE.
10/15/09 09:40:28 >> LET ME READ A QUESTION I KNOW
10/15/09 09:40:31 --LET ME READ A QUESTION WITH
10/15/09 09:40:34 LEGAL --HEARING TWO
10/15/09 09:40:36 WEEK
10/15/09 09:40:37 REQUEST, CAN YOU MEET WITH THE
10/15/09 09:40:39 CLEAR CHANNEL AND HAVE THAT
10/15/09 09:40:40 DISCUSSION, SEE IF WE CAN AGREE
10/15/09 09:40:43 TO THAT AND HAVE US VOTE ON THAT
10/15/09 09:40:44 BEFORE 10:30 SO THESE PEOPLE
10/15/09 09:40:47 DON'T HAVE TO WAIT ALL MORNING.
10/15/09 09:40:48 >> ON THE ORDINANCE OR
10/15/09 09:40:48 SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT.
10/15/09 09:40:50 >> AT YOUR REQUEST, I WILL GET
10/15/09 09:40:51 WITH THEM AND TALK ABOUT THAT.
10/15/09 09:40:53 >> PARDON ME.
10/15/09 09:40:54 >> I WILL DISCUSS THAT WITH
10/15/09 09:40:54 THEM.
10/15/09 09:40:56 >> IF YOU CAN DO AND TALK NOW
10/15/09 09:40:58 BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT I AM HEAR
10/15/09 09:40:59 AG TWO WEEK CONTINUANCE AND THAT
10/15/09 09:41:01 IS WHAT THE BOARD SAID EARLIER
10/15/09 09:41:03 IF YOU ALL CAN HAVE THAT
10/15/09 09:41:04 DISCUSSION IS AND SEE WHAT THE
10/15/09 09:41:07 FEELING IS AND WE CAN
10/15/09 09:41:10 TAKE CARE
10/15/09 09:41:14 ABOUT THAT
10/15/09 09:41:14 BEFORE 10:30.
10/15/09 09:41:16 >> MR. CHAIRMAN THE CLERK JUST
10/15/09 09:41:17 INFORMED ME THAT BECAUSE OF THE
10/15/09 09:41:20 FACT THAT THERE'S NO MEETING ON
10/15/09 09:41:23 THE 29th OF OCTOBER BECAUSE OF
10/15/09 09:41:24 UPGRADES, THE TELEVISION SYSTEM,
10/15/09 09:41:25 THE NEXT MEETING WOULD BE THE
10/15/09 09:41:28 5th OF NOVEMBER SO IT WOULD BE
10/15/09 09:41:31 THREE WEEKS UNTIL THE NEXT
10/15/09 09:41:33 REGULAR MEETING.
10/15/09 09:41:34 >> OKAY.
10/15/09 09:41:35 THANK YOU.
10/15/09 09:41:36 NEXT SPEAKER.
10/15/09 09:41:39 >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL, I'M
10/15/09 09:41:41 WALT JOHNSON LONG FELLOW AVENUE
10/15/09 09:41:43 AND PRESIDENT OF VAN.
10/15/09 09:41:45 I WOULD LIKE TO ECHO THE
10/15/09 09:41:48 COMMENTS MADE BY MR. BARON AND
10/15/09 09:41:49 MS. VEE VEE.
10/15/09 09:41:51 THEY DO REPRESENT WHAT VAN WANTS
10/15/09 09:41:53 AND FEELS IS APPROPRIATE.
10/15/09 09:41:56 THERE ARE A NUMBER OF CLAUSES
10/15/09 09:41:57 WITHIN THE AGREEMENTS THAT GIVE
10/15/09 09:41:58 US CONCERN.
10/15/09 09:42:01 ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT ONES
10/15/09 09:42:04 HAS
10/15/09 09:42:07 TO DO WITH THE DISTANCE
10/15/09 09:42:08 FROM
10/15/09 09:42:08 RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES.
10/15/09 09:42:10 IF YOU ARE GOING TO PROTECT
10/15/09 09:42:11 NEIGHBORHOODS, THE HOME AND
10/15/09 09:42:13 RESIDENCES HAVE TO BE ACROSS THE
10/15/09 09:42:16 STREET FROM ANY
10/15/09 09:42:17 ROW LOCATED SIGN
10/15/09 09:42:18 MUST BE PROTECTED OTHERWISE IF
10/15/09 09:42:21 THE SIGN GOES UP AND MOVED AND
10/15/09 09:42:22 IS ERECTED, THAT RESIDENCE
10/15/09 09:42:24 ACROSS THE STREET, THAT
10/15/09 09:42:26 HOMEOWNER IS GOING TO SUFFER
10/15/09 09:42:29 CONSIDERABLY, NOT ONLY FROM THE
10/15/09 09:42:30 STANDPOINT OF HIS LIFESTYLE WITH
10/15/09 09:42:33 A SIGN SHINING IN HIS FACE
10/15/09 09:42:33 BUT
10/15/09 09:42:36 ALSO FROM THE STANDPOINT OF
10/15/09 09:42:36 POSSIBLE DECREASES IN HIS
10/15/09 09:42:37 PROPERTY VALUE.
10/15/09 09:42:38 IT IS OF GREAT CONCERN AND WE
10/15/09 09:42:40 ASK THAT YOU DO CONTINUE THAT
10/15/09 09:42:43 FOR A MINIMUM
10/15/09 09:42:44 OF TWO WEEKS,
10/15/09 09:42:45 THREE WEEKS, WHATEVER THE
10/15/09 09:42:47 SITUATION IS REQUIRED IN ORDER
10/15/09 09:42:50 FOR THAT TO BE CONSIDERED AGAIN.
10/15/09 09:42:51 ON THE DIGITAL SIGN ORDINANCE,
10/15/09 09:42:53 WE HOPE THAT YOU WILL MOVE WITH
10/15/09 09:42:55 THE WORKSHOP AND GO THROUGH WITH
10/15/09 09:42:55 THAT.
10/15/09 09:42:58 THERE ARE A NUMBER OF CONCERNS
10/15/09 09:43:00 IN THAT --IN THE SIGN ORDINANCE
10/15/09 09:43:01 AND NEIGHBORHOODS HAVE NOT HAD
10/15/09 09:43:04 AN OPPORTUNITY TO REALLY WEIGH
10/15/09 09:43:05 IN ON THIS AT ALL.
10/15/09 09:43:07 SO WE ARE NOT EVEN CERTAIN WHERE
10/15/09 09:43:09 THIS ORDINANCE CAME FROM BUT AT
10/15/09 09:43:11 THE SAME TIME WE DO WANT TO HAVE
10/15/09 09:43:14 THE OPPORTUNITY TO WEIGH IN ON
10/15/09 09:43:16 THAT THROUGH WORKSHOPS AND
10/15/09 09:43:18 PUBLIC HEARINGS, ET CETERA.
10/15/09 09:43:19 I HAVE ONE OTHER COMMENT AND
10/15/09 09:43:21 THAT'S REGARDING THE CIVIL
10/15/09 09:43:23 CITATIONS AND CIVIL CITATION
10/15/09 09:43:23 PROCESS.
10/15/09 09:43:25 WHAT I WOULD URGE YOU TO DO IS
10/15/09 09:43:28 IN ACCORDANCE WITH WHAT YOU
10/15/09 09:43:30 GREED TO OR VOTED ON AND
10/15/09 09:43:32 APPROVED A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO,
10/15/09 09:43:33 I THINK THE PROCESS IS CORRECT,
10/15/09 09:43:36 YOU NEED TO PROCEED
10/15/09 09:43:39 WITH THE
10/15/09 09:43:39 PROCESS.
10/15/09 09:43:40 IF THERE ARE ANY INDIVIDUAL
10/15/09 09:43:42 CODES THAT EXIST NOW THAT YOU
10/15/09 09:43:45 HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT, THEN
10/15/09 09:43:46 YOU
10/15/09 09:43:47 SHOULD ADDRESS THOSE AS CODE
10/15/09 09:43:49 AMENDMENTS, CODE CHANGES, ETC.
10/15/09 09:43:52 BUT DON'T CHANGE THE PROCESS,
10/15/09 09:43:55 THE PROCESS IS NEEDED IN ORDER
10/15/09 09:43:58 TO PROPERLY GET CORRECTIVE
10/15/09 09:43:58 ACTION ON VIOLATIONS, ETC.
10/15/09 09:44:01 SO WE WOULD URGE YOU NOT
10/15/09 09:44:02 TO AMEN
10/15/09 09:44:05 THE PROCESS BUT JUST TO CONSIDER
10/15/09 09:44:06 CHANGES IN THE COAT.
10/15/09 09:44:09 AS A
10/15/09 09:44:10 S A MATTER OF FACT IT CAME
10/15/09 09:44:13 UP A COUPLE WEEKS AGO I
10/15/09 09:44:14 SENT YOU
10/15/09 09:44:16 AN E-MAIL OUTLINING EIGHT OR TEN
10/15/09 09:44:17 INDIVIDUAL CODES THAT WE FELT
10/15/09 09:44:19 SHOULD BE LOOKED AT AND
10/15/09 09:44:20 CLARIFIED, ET CETERA.
10/15/09 09:44:23 SO WE HOPE YOU WILL
10/15/09 09:44:23 ADDRESS
10/15/09 09:44:23 THOSE, TOO.
10/15/09 09:44:26 AS YOU PROCEED WITH ANY
10/15/09 09:44:29 CONSIDERATIONS AND SO
10/15/09 09:44:29 FORTH.
10/15/09 09:44:30 THANK YOU.
10/15/09 09:44:33 >>> MR. JOHNSON, CAN
10/15/09 09:44:35 I ASK YOU A
10/15/09 09:44:36 QUESTION, REGARDING MS. MILLER'S
10/15/09 09:44:38 MOTION TO REMOVE THE PARK, ARE
10/15/09 09:44:39 YOU IN AGREEMENT WITH THAT?
10/15/09 09:44:42 >> I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THE
10/15/09 09:44:45 MOTION, IS IT ONE
10/15/09 09:44:47 INDIVIDUAL
10/15/09 09:44:47 AMENDMENT, CODE?
10/15/09 09:44:49 >> TO REMOVE THE SECTION THAT
10/15/09 09:44:52 REFERRED TO ANY --I CAN'T
10/15/09 09:44:55 REMEMBER WHAT --I
10/15/09 09:44:55 CAN'T
10/15/09 09:44:56 REMEMBER THE LANGUAGE.
10/15/09 09:44:59 BUT IT WAS THE SECTION
10/15/09 09:45:00 THAT WAS
10/15/09 09:45:03 SORT OF ALL ABOVE.
10/15/09 09:45:05 >> THE CODE HAD NOT BEEN
10/15/09 09:45:06 IDENTIFIED SPECIFICALLY.
10/15/09 09:45:08 >> HERE'S THE WORDING THAT SHE
10/15/09 09:45:11 WANTED TO REMOVE, IN ADDITION TO
10/15/09 09:45:13 THE CODE SECTION SET FOR THE
10/15/09 09:45:14 ABOVE ANY OTHER SECTION OR
10/15/09 09:45:17 PROVISION OF THE TAMPA CITY
10/15/09 09:45:18 CODE
10/15/09 09:45:19 THAT'S NOT SPECIFICALLY SET
10/15/09 09:45:22 FORTH IN THE OTHER CLASSES
10/15/09 09:45:23 OF
10/15/09 09:45:25 THE SCHEDULE OF VIOLATIONS OF
10/15/09 09:45:27 THE SCHEDULE OF VIOLATIONS AND
10/15/09 09:45:29 PENALTIES SHALL BE A CLASS I
10/15/09 09:45:29 VIOLATION.
10/15/09 09:45:32 >> I THINK MY
10/15/09 09:45:33 PERSONAL FEELING
10/15/09 09:45:36 IS THAT IF YOU HAVE A MUNICIPAL
10/15/09 09:45:39 COURT THEN IF SOMEBODY VIOLATES,
10/15/09 09:45:41 THERE SHOULD BE SOME PENALTY.
10/15/09 09:45:44 I DON'T MEAN YOU SHOULD
10/15/09 09:45:44 SLAP A
10/15/09 09:45:46 CLASS ONE VIOLATION CITATION ON
10/15/09 09:45:47 EVERYONE BUT THE PROCESS OUGHT
10/15/09 09:45:50 TO BE AVAILABLE IF IT IS NEEDED
10/15/09 09:45:53 TO GET
10/15/09 09:45:56 CORRECTION.
10/15/09 09:45:57 THAT'S MY PERSONAL FEELING.
10/15/09 09:46:00 >>
10/15/09 09:46:03 OKAY.
10/15/09 09:46:06 THANK.
10/15/09 09:46:07 >> NEXT SPEAKER.
10/15/09 09:46:08 >> I SAW IN THE CHOIR YESTERDAY.
10/15/09 09:46:11 >> AND I HEARD YOU
10/15/09 09:46:12 SINGING.
10/15/09 09:46:13 >> YOU SHOULDN'T SING.
10/15/09 09:46:13 >> RON MATTELLA.
10/15/09 09:46:13 WEST SHORT ALLIANCE.
10/15/09 09:46:13 IT SHOULD BE OBVIOUS THAT THE
10/15/09 09:46:14 WEST SHORELINES AND FAN ARE IN
10/15/09 09:46:16 LOCK STEP ON BOTH OF THESE
10/15/09 09:46:16 ISSUES.
10/15/09 09:46:18 THE SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT AND THE
10/15/09 09:46:20 ORDINANCE AND I WOULD BRING THE
10/15/09 09:46:22 COUNCIL'S ATTENTION THAT IT
10/15/09 09:46:23 REALLY SHOULD NOT FEEL COMPELLED
10/15/09 09:46:25 TO BE IN A RUSH TO RESOLVE THE
10/15/09 09:46:27 SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT TODAY
10/15/09 09:46:30 BECAUSE EVEN IF YOU PASS IT, THE
10/15/09 09:46:31 BILLBOARD COMPANIES THEN HAVE
10/15/09 09:46:33 SIX MONTHS TO EXECUTE IT SO TO
10/15/09 09:46:36 SAY IT IS NOT LINKED TO THE
10/15/09 09:46:39 DIGITAL ORDINANCE,
10/15/09 09:46:42 I THINK
10/15/09 09:46:44 IS A
10/15/09 09:46:46 LITTLE BIT DECEIVING.
10/15/09 09:46:47 WE WOULD RESPECTFULLY REQUEST
10/15/09 09:46:48 THAT YOU CONTINUE THE DISCUSSION
10/15/09 09:46:51 ON THE SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT SO
10/15/09 09:46:53 THAT ALL OF THE PARTIES CAN
10/15/09 09:46:54 ANSWER QUESTIONS.
10/15/09 09:46:57 I HAVE GOT SOME QUESTIONS OF
10/15/09 09:46:58 JULIA IN REGARDS TO THE
10/15/09 09:46:59 SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT AND WE JUST
10/15/09 09:47:02 HAD NOT HAD THE TIME TO
10/15/09 09:47:02 RESOLVE
10/15/09 09:47:03 THOSE QUESTIONS.
10/15/09 09:47:05 WE DEFINITELY FEEL THAT ON THE
10/15/09 09:47:06 ORDINANCE ITSELF, YOU SHOULD
10/15/09 09:47:09 WORKSHOP THE ORDINANCE, SO
10/15/09 09:47:12 THAT
10/15/09 09:47:15 WOULD BE THE REQUEST,
10/15/09 09:47:18 THANK
10/15/09 09:47:18 YOU.
10/15/09 09:47:19 >> NEXT SPEAKER.
10/15/09 09:47:21 >> MR. CHAIRMAN AND OTHER
10/15/09 09:47:24 MEMBERS OF
10/15/09 09:47:26 THE CITY COUNCIL.
10/15/09 09:47:29 GREETINGS, MY NAME IS AL
10/15/09 09:47:30 DAVIS,
10/15/09 09:47:30 3724 EAST WHILE AVENUE.
10/15/09 09:47:31 MR.CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS, I
10/15/09 09:47:33 BELIEVE YOU HAVE RECEIVED A COPY
10/15/09 09:47:36 OF A LETTER
10/15/09 09:47:38 THAT I HAVE
10/15/09 09:47:38 SUBMITTED.
10/15/09 09:47:40 MR.CHAIRMAN, THE LETTER SPEAKS
10/15/09 09:47:41 FOR ITSELF AND I PRAY THAT MY
10/15/09 09:47:44 REQUESTS THAT ARE CONTAINED IN
10/15/09 09:47:47 THE LETTER BE
10/15/09 09:47:48 GRANTED.
10/15/09 09:47:48 THANK YOU.
10/15/09 09:47:51 >> THANK
10/15/09 09:47:53 YOU, MR. DAVIS.
10/15/09 09:47:56 >> NEED
10/15/09 09:48:02 NO EXTRA TIME TODAY.
10/15/09 09:48:05 >> GOOD MORNING MR. CHAIRMAN
10/15/09 09:48:08 AND
10/15/09 09:48:09 MEMBER OF THE COUNCIL.
10/15/09 09:48:11 I'M BILL JOHNSON, 2694 WESTFORD
10/15/09 09:48:14 COURT REST IN
10/15/09 09:48:16 CLEAR WATER.
10/15/09 09:48:17 I HAVE TWO
10/15/09 09:48:17 OTHER COMMENTS. I HAVE
10/15/09 09:48:20 BEEN THINKING ABOUT THE
10/15/09 09:48:21 SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT AND I
10/15/09 09:48:24 RECALL THAT A TIME THAT A DOCTOR
10/15/09 09:48:26 RECOMMENDED I HAD SURGERY.
10/15/09 09:48:29 I DIDN'T TAKE ME VERY LONG TO
10/15/09 09:48:30 GET A SECOND OPINION.
10/15/09 09:48:32 OUR ORGANIZATION'S EXPERIENCE
10/15/09 09:48:33 FROM WATCHING SETTLEMENT
10/15/09 09:48:35 AGREEMENTS FROM AROUND THE STATE
10/15/09 09:48:38 AND THE NATION RECOMMENDS THAT
10/15/09 09:48:40 YOU GET A SECOND OPINION.
10/15/09 09:48:43 YOUR LEGAL STAFF IS TELLING YOU
10/15/09 09:48:46 THAT BECAUSE OF PAST HISTORY
10/15/09 09:48:47 AND
10/15/09 09:48:49 ERRORS BY PREVIOUS PASS MEMBERS
10/15/09 09:48:50 LONG GONE THAT AGREEMENTS THAT
10/15/09 09:48:53 THEY HAVE PRESENTED TO YOU ARE
10/15/09 09:48:54 YOUR BEST OPTION.
10/15/09 09:48:57 WELL, I WILL SUGGEST THAT THIS
10/15/09 09:49:03 IS A VERY TECHNICAL
10/15/09 09:49:05 ISSUE AND
10/15/09 09:49:07 WHAT FROTH WITH ISSUES.
10/15/09 09:49:10 LAST FALL I GAVE MR.
10/15/09 09:49:10 FLETCHER A
10/15/09 09:49:12 NAME OF AN ATTORNEY IN
10/15/09 09:49:15 JACKSONVILLE THAT WORKS ON
10/15/09 09:49:15 THESE
10/15/09 09:49:15 SIGN ISSUES.
10/15/09 09:49:18 HE SUCCESSFULLY DEFENDED CLEAR
10/15/09 09:49:21 WATER'S LAWSUIT THAT WAS BROUGHT
10/15/09 09:49:24 BY GRANITE STATE OUTDOOR.
10/15/09 09:49:27 HE ALSO ASSISTED CLEAR WATER IN
10/15/09 09:49:28 PINELLAS COUNTY IN NEGOTIATING
10/15/09 09:49:31 SETTLEMENT AGREEMENTS AND HE HAS
10/15/09 09:49:32 WORKED WITH HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY,
10/15/09 09:49:35 THE CITY OF ST. PETE AND I
10/15/09 09:49:36 DON'T
10/15/09 09:49:39 KNOW HOW MANY OTHERS IN THIS
10/15/09 09:49:42 AREA
10/15/09 09:49:42 ON SIGN ISSUES.
10/15/09 09:49:45 IN CORRESPONDENCE WITH THE
10/15/09 09:49:47 MAYOR
10/15/09 09:49:50 I HAD RECOMMENDED MR. BRITTON TO
10/15/09 09:49:50 MR. FLETCHER.
10/15/09 09:49:52 THERE WAS A COMMENT THAT HE WAS
10/15/09 09:49:54 FOLLOW UP WITH THE ATTORNEY I
10/15/09 09:49:55 HAD MENTIONED.
10/15/09 09:49:56 IN TALKING TO MR. BRITTON, HE
10/15/09 09:49:58 HAS NOT HEARD FROM TAMPA LEGAL
10/15/09 09:50:01 STAFF ON THIS ISSUE
10/15/09 09:50:04 OR ON ANY
10/15/09 09:50:07 ISSUE IN THE LAST
10/15/09 09:50:08 SEVERAL
10/15/09 09:50:08 ISSUES.
10/15/09 09:50:11 THE CITIZENS THAT MEANT EARLIER
10/15/09 09:50:13 NOTED THAT THE AGREEMENT
10/15/09 09:50:14 CONTAINS WHEREASES THAT SEEMED
10/15/09 09:50:15 BIAS TO DIGITAL BILLBOARDS.
10/15/09 09:50:18 NO ONE KNOWS WHO HAD WRITTEN
10/15/09 09:50:19 THE
10/15/09 09:50:19 DRAFT.
10/15/09 09:50:22 DOESN'T THAT GIVE YOU PAUSE FOR
10/15/09 09:50:22 CONCERN?
10/15/09 09:50:25 WOULDN'T YOU BE MORE COMFORTABLE
10/15/09 09:50:27 WITH A SECOND OPINION FROM AN
10/15/09 09:50:29 EXPERIENCED ATTORNEY IN THIS
10/15/09 09:50:29 ISSUE?
10/15/09 09:50:32 IF FOR NO OTHER REASON TO
10/15/09 09:50:34 KNOW
10/15/09 09:50:36 IF YOU HAVE OTHER OPTIONS OR
10/15/09 09:50:36 NOT.
10/15/09 09:50:38 THE SECOND COMMENT I HAVE TODAY
10/15/09 09:50:40 IS THAT SINCE WE --SINCE I LAST
10/15/09 09:50:43 SPOKE TO YOU, I THINK
10/15/09 09:50:45 IT WAS IN
10/15/09 09:50:47 JANUARY, A SIGNIFICANT STUDY WAS
10/15/09 09:50:49 RELEASED LAST APRIL BY THE
10/15/09 09:50:50 AMERICAN ASSOCIATION OF STATE
10/15/09 09:50:52 HIGHWAY AND TRANSPORTATION
10/15/09 09:50:55 OFFICIALS ON THE SAFETY IMPACTS
10/15/09 09:50:58 OF EMERGING DIGITAL DISPLAY
10/15/09 09:50:59 TECHNOLOGY FOR OUTDOOR
10/15/09 09:51:00 ADVERTISING SIGNS.
10/15/09 09:51:02 THE DRAFT AGREEMENT ON DIGITAL
10/15/09 09:51:04 SIGNS THAT YOU HAVE DOES NOT
10/15/09 09:51:06 TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE
10/15/09 09:51:08 RECOMMENDATIONS INCLUDED IN THIS
10/15/09 09:51:09 STUDY.
10/15/09 09:51:11 I'M GOING TO GIVE A COPY OF THIS
10/15/09 09:51:14 TO YOUR CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY,
10/15/09 09:51:17 ALONG WITH SENDING HIM THE
10/15/09 09:51:17 E-MAIL LINK TO IT.
10/15/09 09:51:19 OF COURSE, I WOULD BE HAPPY TO
10/15/09 09:51:21 WORK WITH EACH OF YOU
10/15/09 09:51:22 INDIVIDUALLY OR WITH YOUR STAFF
10/15/09 09:51:23 TO WORK TOWARD RESOLVING THIS
10/15/09 09:51:26 ISSUE FOR THE BEST INTEREST FOR
10/15/09 09:51:29 THE PEOPLE
10/15/09 09:51:33 OF TAMPA.
10/15/09 09:51:36 THANKS, VERY MUCH,
10/15/09 09:51:37 MR. CHAIRMAN.
10/15/09 09:51:38 >> THANK YOU.
10/15/09 09:51:41 >> GOOD MORNING, MY NAME
10/15/09 09:51:42 IS MS.
10/15/09 09:51:44 SMITH, I RESIDE IN SEMINAL
10/15/09 09:51:44 HEIGHTS.
10/15/09 09:51:46 IN REGARD TO THE BILLBOARD
10/15/09 09:51:47 SETTLEMENT AND THE ORDINANCE, I
10/15/09 09:51:50 HAVE HEARD BACK FROM QUITE A FEW
10/15/09 09:51:51 OF MY NEIGHBORS, FRIENDS AND
10/15/09 09:51:54 PEOPLE THAT WORK AND LIVE
10/15/09 09:51:56 IN THE
10/15/09 09:51:56 COMMUNITY.
10/15/09 09:51:58 ALL OF THEM ARE IN AGREEMENT
10/15/09 09:52:01 THAT THIS NEEDS --THEIR
10/15/09 09:52:02 NEEDS
10/15/09 09:52:03 TO BE TIME.
10/15/09 09:52:06 IT CAME OUT
10/15/09 09:52:07 FRIDAY.
10/15/09 09:52:09 MOST PEOPLE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT
10/15/09 09:52:09 IT.
10/15/09 09:52:10 IN LOOKING AT THE E-MAILS, MOST
10/15/09 09:52:13 OF THE PEOPLE ARE STILL CONFUSED
10/15/09 09:52:16 ABOUT
10/15/09 09:52:18 THIS SETTLEMENT VERSUS
10/15/09 09:52:19 WHAT HAPPENED BACK IN FEBRUARY.
10/15/09 09:52:21 THERE IS NO NEIGHBORHOOD INPUT
10/15/09 09:52:24 ON THIS AND IT
10/15/09 09:52:25 SEEMS LIKE THE
10/15/09 09:52:27 SOURCE OF THE DRAFTING WAS NOT
10/15/09 09:52:29 FROM THE CITY STAFF OR THE
10/15/09 09:52:29 NEIGHBORHOODS.
10/15/09 09:52:30 IF YOU HAVE LEGAL THAT IS
10/15/09 09:52:33 WORKING WITH THE CITY ON THE
10/15/09 09:52:34 SETTLEMENT AND THE BILLBOARD
10/15/09 09:52:37 COMPANIES DRAFTING OUT
10/15/09 09:52:38 OUR
10/15/09 09:52:40 ORDINANCES FOR US TO THEIR
10/15/09 09:52:42 BENEFIT --THAT LEAVES THE
10/15/09 09:52:44 NEIGHBORHOODS OUT AND THE
10/15/09 09:52:47 COMMUNITIES OUT AND
10/15/09 09:52:49 IT'S VISUAL
10/15/09 09:52:51 COALITION AND
10/15/09 09:52:54 HABITAT SOLUTION AND
10/15/09 09:52:57 WE NEED TO
10/15/09 09:53:02 STAND UP FOR OURSELVES.
10/15/09 09:53:05 REGARDLESS OF WHAT THEY SAID IN
10/15/09 09:53:07 THE NEWSPAPER ABOUT TEMPE, THE
10/15/09 09:53:09 TRIM TRIMMERS HAVE BEEN TOLD 15
10/15/09 09:53:12 FEET AND THAT IS
10/15/09 09:53:14 WHAT THEY ARE
10/15/09 09:53:15 DOING.
10/15/09 09:53:16 WE DON'T NEED TO CAVE INTO THIS,
10/15/09 09:53:17 EVERYBODY IS ASKING FOR TIME TO
10/15/09 09:53:19 LOOK IT OVER BUT THE ONE THING
10/15/09 09:53:22 EVERYBODY IS IN AGREEMENT IS
10/15/09 09:53:25 THAT WE DON'T NEED DIGITAL
10/15/09 09:53:25 BILLBOARDS HERE.
10/15/09 09:53:26 THE COMMUNITIES HAVE STOOD UP
10/15/09 09:53:29 AND SAID NO, WE DON'T NEED
10/15/09 09:53:30 TO
10/15/09 09:53:31 CAVE INTO THIS.
10/15/09 09:53:33 ALSO, I DIDN'T DRIVE HERE IN A
10/15/09 09:53:36 DELORIAN BUT THE
10/15/09 09:53:37 DATE ON THIS
10/15/09 09:53:40 SAYS OCTOBER 1st ON THE
10/15/09 09:53:41 MONITOR.
10/15/09 09:53:44 BUT
10/15/09 09:53:46 IF WE COULD DELAY IT BOTH
10/15/09 09:53:49 THE SETTLEMENT AND THE
10/15/09 09:53:50 ORDINANCES IF WE ARE STUCK WITH
10/15/09 09:53:51 IT, TAMPA IS AN NEIGHBORHOOD OF
10/15/09 09:53:53 ALLEY, IF YOU ARE ON THE OTHER
10/15/09 09:53:54 SIDE YOU ARE NOT CONSIDERED
10/15/09 09:53:57 ABUTTED TO A PROPERTY WITH A
10/15/09 09:53:59 BILLBOARD, YOU ARE STUCK.
10/15/09 09:54:02 AS YOU SAW LAST
10/15/09 09:54:04 FEBRUARY, WE
10/15/09 09:54:07 HAVE QUITE A
10/15/09 09:54:08 FEW BILLBOARDS IN
10/15/09 09:54:09 SEMINAL HEIGHTS.
10/15/09 09:54:12 I DON'T KNOW IF YOU --WE HAVE
10/15/09 09:54:15 QUITE
10/15/09 09:54:18 A NUMBER OF BILLBOARDS.
10/15/09 09:54:21 THIS IS --WE HAVE 275, FLORIDA
10/15/09 09:54:23 AVENUE, NEBRASKA AND
10/15/09 09:54:25 HILLSBOROUGH AVENUE WHICH ARE F
10/15/09 09:54:27 DOTS WE WILL BE STUCK AND
10/15/09 09:54:27 BLINDED.
10/15/09 09:54:30 WE WILL HAVE THIS INTRUSION AND
10/15/09 09:54:33 NOT JUST SEMINAL HEIGHTS BUT
10/15/09 09:54:34 THE
10/15/09 09:54:36 REST OF TAMPA , WE ARE PRIMARILY
10/15/09 09:54:38 A A RESIDENTIAL TOWN, WE SHOULD
10/15/09 09:54:40 NOT HAVE TO DEAL WITH BEING LAS
10/15/09 09:54:42 VEGAS OR NEW YORK.
10/15/09 09:54:44 IF YOU DELAY IT TO GIVE THE
10/15/09 09:54:47 NEIGHBORHOOD A CHANCE TO PUT IT
10/15/09 09:54:49 OVER AND MAKE IT A COMMUNITY
10/15/09 09:54:52 ORDINANCE, NOT
10/15/09 09:54:55 AN INDUSTRY
10/15/09 09:54:55 ORDINANCE.
10/15/09 09:54:55 THANK YOU.
10/15/09 09:54:58 >>>
10/15/09 09:54:59 THANK YOU, NEXT SPEAKER.
10/15/09 09:55:02 >> SUSAN LONG,
10/15/09 09:55:05 9219 LONG EAST
10/15/09 09:55:06 BROAD STREET, TAMPA.
10/15/09 09:55:08 LET ME PREFACE BY SAYING I AM
10/15/09 09:55:11 SPEAKING FOR ME, I WANT TO ADMIT
10/15/09 09:55:13 THE ELEGANT IN THE ROOM, IT
10/15/09 09:55:15 FEMMES LIKE BLACKMAIL, LIKE THE
10/15/09 09:55:16 BILLBOARD COMPANY, I DON'T KNOW
10/15/09 09:55:16 WHAT HAPPENED, THE NEGOTIATIONS,
10/15/09 09:55:19 I DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY ARE WITH
10/15/09 09:55:21 THE LEGAL PROCESS BUT I DO KNOW
10/15/09 09:55:23 THAT BILLBOARD COMPANIES
10/15/09 09:55:25 APPARENTLY OR SO IT FEELS HAVE
10/15/09 09:55:28 STATED WE WILL NOT SIGN A
10/15/09 09:55:30 SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT UNLESS YOU
10/15/09 09:55:31 GIVE US DIGITAL SIGNS.
10/15/09 09:55:33 SO ORIGINALLY THE DIGITAL SIGNS
10/15/09 09:55:34 WERE IN THE SETTLEMENT
10/15/09 09:55:34 AGREEMENT.
10/15/09 09:55:37 NOW IT
10/15/09 09:55:40 IS A SIDE ISSUE BUT THE
10/15/09 09:55:41 SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT SAYS WE
10/15/09 09:55:44 NEED TO COME UP WITH A DIGITAL
10/15/09 09:55:47 AGREEMENT AND IF YOU
10/15/09 09:55:47 DON'T HAVE
10/15/09 09:55:51 ONE IN SIX MONTH WE ENDS UP
10/15/09 09:55:51 WITH
10/15/09 09:55:52 THE DIGITAL AGREEMENT.
10/15/09 09:55:53 IT DOESN'T FEEL GOOD, I WASN'T
10/15/09 09:55:55 THERE OR INVOLVED BUT IT DOESN'T
10/15/09 09:55:55 FEEL GOOD.
10/15/09 09:55:58 I THINK THAT WE NEED TO DECIDE
10/15/09 09:56:00 FOR OURSELVES WHAT IF ANY
10/15/09 09:56:03 DIGITAL BILLBOARDS WE WANT
10/15/09 09:56:04 REGARDLESS OF WHAT THESE HUGE
10/15/09 09:56:04 CORPORATIONS WANT.
10/15/09 09:56:06 I THINK WE NEED TO TAKE CARE OF
10/15/09 09:56:08 THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE AND WORK IN
10/15/09 09:56:10 THE CITY OF TAMPA.
10/15/09 09:56:13 I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD
10/15/09 09:56:13 BE
10/15/09 09:56:15 TAKING CARE OF THE PEOPLE THAT
10/15/09 09:56:17 MOVE OUR MONEY TO NEW YORK CITY
10/15/09 09:56:18 OR WHEREVER THE OFFICES ARE.
10/15/09 09:56:21 I THINK WE SHOULD BASE THE
10/15/09 09:56:24 DECISIONS ON WHAT IS GOOD FOR
10/15/09 09:56:26 TAMPA, OR CVS OR CLEAR CHANNEL.
10/15/09 09:56:27 THIS IS OUR TOWN AND WE SHOULD
10/15/09 09:56:30 TREAT IS AT
10/15/09 09:56:31 OUR TOWN.
10/15/09 09:56:33 NOT AS THEIR TOWN.
10/15/09 09:56:36 TO COERCE TO WHATEVER IS GOING
10/15/09 09:56:39 ON --IF THEY WON'T SIGN A
10/15/09 09:56:40 SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT UNLESS WE
10/15/09 09:56:42 GIVE THEM DIGITAL THEN THE FIRST
10/15/09 09:56:44 THING WE DO IS GET INTO THAT AND
10/15/09 09:56:45 DECIDE IF WE WANT PERSONAL
10/15/09 09:56:47 SIGNS, I DON'T WANT THEM, I
10/15/09 09:56:50 DON'T LIKE THEM ON 275, I DRIVE
10/15/09 09:56:53 ON WITH AN
10/15/09 09:56:54 AMBER ALERT AND I AM
10/15/09 09:56:57 SITTING THERE REALIZING I
10/15/09 09:56:58 HAVE
10/15/09 09:57:01 BEEN READING THE SIGNS AND
10/15/09 09:57:02 I
10/15/09 09:57:04 HAVE ALMOST CRAWLED UP ON
10/15/09 09:57:05 SOMEBODY ELSE.
10/15/09 09:57:06 I HAVE FOUND THEM VERY
10/15/09 09:57:07 DISTRACTING.
10/15/09 09:57:10 THEY ARE
10/15/09 09:57:10 ON ALL OF THE TIME.
10/15/09 09:57:14 HOW MANY MINUTES FOR YOU TO
10/15/09 09:57:17 CROSS THE
10/15/09 09:57:19 FRANKLIN, I UNDERSTAND
10/15/09 09:57:22 IF THERE'S A MAJOR ACCIDENT THEY
10/15/09 09:57:25 ARE USEFUL BUT IF
10/15/09 09:57:28 THEY ARE
10/15/09 09:57:31 ADVERTISING COCA-COLA OR
10/15/09 09:57:33 WHATEVER, THEY ARE DISRUPTING.
10/15/09 09:57:36 IF I LIVE ACROSS THE STREET OF
10/15/09 09:57:38 ONE, IT FLASHES IT IN MY LIVING
10/15/09 09:57:41 ROOM AND LIGHT UP MY BACKYARD I
10/15/09 09:57:43 HAVE NO SAY BECAUSE IT DOES NOT
10/15/09 09:57:44 ABUT MY HOUSE.
10/15/09 09:57:46 I HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THESE.
10/15/09 09:57:48 I THINK WE NEED TO POSTPONED IT
10/15/09 09:57:51 AND THINK WHAT IS ANY FOR
10/15/09 09:57:55 TAMPA.
10/15/09 09:57:58 THAT'S THE IMPORTANT ISSUE.
10/15/09 09:57:58 THANK YOU.
10/15/09 09:57:59 >>> THANK YOU.
10/15/09 09:58:01 MY NAME IS SUE LION, I'M A
10/15/09 09:58:05 MEMBER OF VAN, A MEMBER OF
10/15/09 09:58:05 THE
10/15/09 09:58:06 VAN ZONING COMMITTEE.
10/15/09 09:58:08 I'M ALSO TRYING TO RETIRE FROM
10/15/09 09:58:10 COMING UP IN FRONT OF YOU ALL.
10/15/09 09:58:13 I HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS SIGN
10/15/09 09:58:14 ORDINANCE, CHARLIE REMEMBERS
10/15/09 09:58:15 WHEN THE NEGOTIATIONS ORIGINALLY
10/15/09 09:58:18 STARTED AND NEITHER ONE OF
10/15/09 09:58:19 US
10/15/09 09:58:20 HAD GRAY HAIR.
10/15/09 09:58:20 >> DON'T LOOK AT ME.
10/15/09 09:58:23 >> BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO DO ANY
10/15/09 09:58:26 GOOD IF WE
10/15/09 09:58:29 DON'T HAVE THE PEOPLE
10/15/09 09:58:29 SUPPORTING THIS.
10/15/09 09:58:30 TWO WEEK DELAY ON THE SETTLEMENT
10/15/09 09:58:31 AGREEMENT IS VERY REASONABLE.
10/15/09 09:58:34 WE NEED TO LOOK AT IT.
10/15/09 09:58:35 WE HAVEN'T SEEN IT.
10/15/09 09:58:37 THEY CAN SAY OH, IT IS JUST LIKE
10/15/09 09:58:40 IT WAS BEFORE, WE DIDN'T LIKE IT
10/15/09 09:58:43 BEFORE SO WHAT GOOD
10/15/09 09:58:44 IS THAT.
10/15/09 09:58:46 AND THE NEW ORDINANCE THAT CAME
10/15/09 09:58:48 OUT, THE ELOQUENT MAN THAT SPOKE
10/15/09 09:58:50 BEFORE SAID SOME PEOPLE GOT
10/15/09 09:58:50 UPSET.
10/15/09 09:58:53 YOU KNOW, I DON'T NORMALLY GET
10/15/09 09:58:54 UPSET BUT I DID.
10/15/09 09:58:56 BECAUSE IT LOOKED LIKE A
10/15/09 09:58:58 COMMERCIAL FOR THE BILLBOARD
10/15/09 09:58:58 ORGANIZATION.
10/15/09 09:59:00 THE FIRST THREE PARAGRAPHS OF
10/15/09 09:59:02 THIS IS WHAT A WONDERFUL GROUP
10/15/09 09:59:02 THEY ARE.
10/15/09 09:59:03 I HAVE BEEN OUT THERE DOING THIS
10/15/09 09:59:04 A LONG TIME.
10/15/09 09:59:06 I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ALL HAVE
10/15/09 09:59:09 EVEN READ THE FIRST PAGE
10/15/09 09:59:10 OF THIS
10/15/09 09:59:11 NEW ORDINANCE IT SAYS THESE
10/15/09 09:59:12 BILLBOARD PEOPLE ARE WONDERFUL
10/15/09 09:59:14 AND WILL DO GOOD THINGS, YOU
10/15/09 09:59:17 NEVER PUT
10/15/09 09:59:19 THAT IN AN ORDINANCE.
10/15/09 09:59:19 I LOST MY COOL.
10/15/09 09:59:22 POOR JULIE I THOUGHT SHE WAS
10/15/09 09:59:23 GOING TO RUN OUT THE DOOR.
10/15/09 09:59:26 SHE HAS HAD TWO BABIES SINCE WE
10/15/09 09:59:27 HAVE HAD THIS DONE.
10/15/09 09:59:30 WE ARE NOT
10/15/09 09:59:32 SAYING DON'T DO
10/15/09 09:59:32 ANYTHING.
10/15/09 09:59:34 WE ARE ASKING FOR A REASONABLE
10/15/09 09:59:37 AMOUNT OF TIME TO LOOK OVER
10/15/09 09:59:37 THE
10/15/09 09:59:39 SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT AND COME
10/15/09 09:59:40 Y'ALL.
10/15/09 09:59:40 THE NEW ORDINANCE NEED TO BE
10/15/09 09:59:42 WORKSHOPPED BECAUSE IT IS BRAND
10/15/09 09:59:44 NEW AND WE HAVE NOT SEEN IT SO
10/15/09 09:59:45 WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR ANYTHING
10/15/09 09:59:47 UNUSUAL AND I'M VERY SORRY THAT
10/15/09 09:59:49 Y'ALL ARE PUT BACK INTO THIS
10/15/09 09:59:50 POSITION THAT YOU HAVE TO LISTEN
10/15/09 09:59:51 TO ME GRIPE AGAIN, I WOULD
10/15/09 09:59:55 RATHER BE AT THE BEACH AND
10/15/09 09:59:55 I
10/15/09 09:59:58 KNOW YOU WOULD TOO BUT WE
10/15/09 10:00:01 CERTAINLY APPRECIATE
10/15/09 10:00:03 YOUR
10/15/09 10:00:03 CONSIDERATION.
10/15/09 10:00:06 >> WE HAVE
10/15/09 10:00:07 TO HURRY SO JULIE'S
10/15/09 10:00:09 FAMILY DOESN'T HAVE ANY MORE
10/15/09 10:00:09 BABIES.
10/15/09 10:00:12 >> AFTER THIS NEXT SPEAKER
10/15/09 10:00:14 THAT'S IT BECAUSE OUR TIME IS
10/15/09 10:00:14 UP.
10/15/09 10:00:17 >> I'M BRANDON VON, I WOULD LIKE
10/15/09 10:00:20 TO BRING UP HOMELESS PEOPLE IN
10/15/09 10:00:20 TAMPA.
10/15/09 10:00:21 THERE IS A LOT OF THEM.
10/15/09 10:00:24 I LIKE TO TALK TO THEM AND I
10/15/09 10:00:25 LIKE TO SPREAD GOD'S LOVE AND
10/15/09 10:00:27 SIT AND TALK TO THEM PERSONALLY
10/15/09 10:00:30 AND THERE IS MANY OUT THERE ARE
10/15/09 10:00:33 QUITE SMART AND THEY SURPRISE ME
10/15/09 10:00:34 WITH HOW AMBITIOUS THEY SEEM --
10/15/09 10:00:35 MY IDEA.
10/15/09 10:00:37 >> SIR, THAT IS NOT ON THE
10/15/09 10:00:40 AGENDA, WE ARE TRYING TO
10/15/09 10:00:41 GIVE
10/15/09 10:00:42 PREFERENCE TO THINGS ON THE
10/15/09 10:00:42 AGENDA.
10/15/09 10:00:45 >> I HAVE IN FRONT OF ME A GOAL
10/15/09 10:00:47 THAT GOD HAS PUT IN SIDE OF ME.
10/15/09 10:00:50 >> THANK YOU, YOU CAN COME BACK
10/15/09 10:00:53 LATER AND TALK AS LONG AS YOU
10/15/09 10:00:56 LIKE, YOU CAN'T DO
10/15/09 10:00:59 THAT.
10/15/09 10:00:59 >> BITE YOUR TONGUE.
10/15/09 10:01:01 >> THREE MINUTES.
10/15/09 10:01:04 >> CASEY KERRY,
10/15/09 10:01:07 210 WEST MOHAWK
10/15/09 10:01:10 AVENUE, I LIVE IN SEMINAL
10/15/09 10:01:12 HEIGHTS BEHIND THE WALL OFF OF
10/15/09 10:01:14 HILL BORROW AVENUE I CAN SEE
10/15/09 10:01:15 BILLBOARDS FROM MY HOUSE AND
10/15/09 10:01:17 BEDROOM WINDOWS, I AM CONCERNED
10/15/09 10:01:18 ABOUT BOTH OF THE ISSUES HERE.
10/15/09 10:01:20 THERE ARE LOTS OF ITEMS THAT
10/15/09 10:01:21 NEED TO BE IRONED OUT.
10/15/09 10:01:24 THERE NEED TO BE A HARD AND
10/15/09 10:01:24 FAST
10/15/09 10:01:27 DISTANCE RESTRICTION AND THEIR
10/15/09 10:01:29 NEEDS TO BE DISTINCT LIGHTING
10/15/09 10:01:30 RESTRICTIONS ON TRADITIONAL
10/15/09 10:01:31 BILLBOARDS AS WELL AS ANY
10/15/09 10:01:34 DIGITAL BILLBOARDS SHOULD THEY
10/15/09 10:01:36 BE ALLOWED IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
10/15/09 10:01:37 BILLBOARDS ARE OFTEN ANGLED
10/15/09 10:01:40 TOWARDS THE ROAD AND THAT CAUSES
10/15/09 10:01:42 THEM TO REFLECT OUT THE
10/15/09 10:01:43 RIGHT-OF-WAY AND OUT INTO OUR
10/15/09 10:01:45 PUBLIC SPACES, OBVIOUSLY THAT'S
10/15/09 10:01:48 THE POINT OF THE ENTIRE THING
10/15/09 10:01:51 AND PEOPLE DON'T ENJOY THE
10/15/09 10:01:54 INTRUSION, PEOPLE DON'T
10/15/09 10:01:55 ENJOY
10/15/09 10:01:58 ESPECIALLY THE LIGHT INTRUSION
10/15/09 10:02:00 AND THE LIGHT POLLUTION.
10/15/09 10:02:03 OUR PUBLIC SPACES SHOULD BE
10/15/09 10:02:04 GATHERING PLACES THAT SHOULD BE
10/15/09 10:02:04 RESPECTED.
10/15/09 10:02:07 I DON'T FEEL THAT WE ARE
10/15/09 10:02:10 GETTING
10/15/09 10:02:12 ANY RESPECT FROM THE BILLBOARDS.
10/15/09 10:02:14 A LINEAR MEASUREMENT DOES NOT
10/15/09 10:02:15 PROVIDE ANY PROTECTION.
10/15/09 10:02:18 A STREET LIGHT IS NOT
10/15/09 10:02:18 A MAGIC
10/15/09 10:02:20 BARRIER THAT PROTECTS THE
10/15/09 10:02:23 PROPERTIES ACROSS A RIGHT OF
10/15/09 10:02:24 WAY
10/15/09 10:02:27 LINE FROM LIGHT INTRUSION OR THE
10/15/09 10:02:30 INVASION INTO OUR PRIVATE LIVES.
10/15/09 10:02:32 I JUST WANTED TO REQUEST FROM
10/15/09 10:02:34 COUNCIL THAT THERE BE A
10/15/09 10:02:35 CONTINUANCE ON THE SETTLEMENT
10/15/09 10:02:37 AGREEMENT AND THAT ISSUES BE
10/15/09 10:02:38 IRONED OUT TO PROTECT THE
10/15/09 10:02:41 RESIDENTS AND THE
10/15/09 10:02:44 BUSINESSES IN
10/15/09 10:02:47 THE CITY
10/15/09 10:02:50 OF TAMPA.
10/15/09 10:02:50 THANK YOU.
10/15/09 10:02:51 >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10/15/09 10:02:52 >> MR. CHAIRMAN, TODD PRESTON
10/15/09 10:02:54 HIGHWAY NORTH, SUITE 300, CHAIR
10/15/09 10:02:54 WATER FLORIDA.
10/15/09 10:02:57 I'M HERE WITH CLEAR CHANNEL
10/15/09 10:03:00 COMMUNICATIONS THERE'S AN OLD
10/15/09 10:03:01 SAYING THAT MAKING LAWS IS LIKE
10/15/09 10:03:03 MAKING SAUSAGE, IT IS NOT AND PA
10/15/09 10:03:06 ADVERTISING BUT WHEN IT IS DONE
10/15/09 10:03:06 IT TASTES REAL GOOD.
10/15/09 10:03:09 THIS IS A CASE WHERE YOU HAVE
10/15/09 10:03:11 SEEN THIS COME THROUGH FOR I
10/15/09 10:03:14 BELIEVE SEVEN
10/15/09 10:03:17 OR EIGHT YEARS
10/15/09 10:03:19 THAT THIS HAS BEEN BUBBLING UP
10/15/09 10:03:21 AND AS INDICATED JULIE HAS HAD
10/15/09 10:03:23 TWO BABIES THROUGH THIS PROCESS
10/15/09 10:03:25 BUT THERE IS A SETTLEMENT THAT
10/15/09 10:03:28 DOES REDUCE BLOOD IN THE CITY.
10/15/09 10:03:31 ONCE THE SETTLEMENT PORTION IS
10/15/09 10:03:34 DONE, 70 OR AS MANY
10/15/09 10:03:35 AS 75
10/15/09 10:03:37 SEPARATE FACES WILL COME DOWN
10/15/09 10:03:38 FOR CLEAR CHANNEL ALONE.
10/15/09 10:03:40 IT IS VERY EASY TO THROW DART
10/15/09 10:03:42 FROM THE SIDE LINES ON THIS
10/15/09 10:03:43 DOCUMENT AND YOU WILL HEAR IN
10/15/09 10:03:46 TWO WEEKS IF YOU CHOOSE TO
10/15/09 10:03:47 CONTINUE IT, YOU WILL HEAR
10/15/09 10:03:48 COMPLAINT AND CONCERNS.
10/15/09 10:03:50 THE GUYS I'M WORKING WITH ARE
10/15/09 10:03:52 NOT PARTICULARLY THRILL WITH THE
10/15/09 10:03:53 SETTLEMENT BUT IT WORKS FOR
10/15/09 10:03:54 THEM.
10/15/09 10:03:55 I DON'T THINK ANYBODY IS EVER
10/15/09 10:03:58 GOING TO BE HAPPY WITH IT BUT AS
10/15/09 10:04:00 THE REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE
10/15/09 10:04:02 LEGAL DEPARTMENT INDICATE IT
10/15/09 10:04:03 PUTS US IN A MUCH BETTER PLACE
10/15/09 10:04:05 THAN WE ARE IN NOW.
10/15/09 10:04:07 IF YOU CHOOSE TO MOVE THIS
10/15/09 10:04:09 FORWARD YOU WILL HEAR COMPLAINT,
10/15/09 10:04:10 YOU WILL HEAR CONCERNS.
10/15/09 10:04:12 I SAT IN A MEETING WITH ALL OF
10/15/09 10:04:13 THE FOLKS AND I KNOW ALL OF
10/15/09 10:04:15 THEM, THEY ARE GOOD FOLKS.
10/15/09 10:04:16 WE SAT FOR TWO-AND-A-HALF OR
10/15/09 10:04:19 THREE HOURS WITH JULIE
10/15/09 10:04:20 AND SHE
10/15/09 10:04:21 AND WENT THROUGH EVERY QUESTION
10/15/09 10:04:21 AND LINE.
10/15/09 10:04:24 DON BELIEVE WHEN WE COME BACK IT
10/15/09 10:04:26 WILL BE MAGICALLY SOLVED.
10/15/09 10:04:29 IT WILL BE SOMETHING WE CAN
10/15/09 10:04:29 LIVE.
10/15/09 10:04:32 THE
10/15/09 10:04:35 SETTLEMENT IS
10/15/09 10:04:36 A BALANCE OF
10/15/09 10:04:37 LONG LEGAL HISTORY, LEGISLATION
10/15/09 10:04:40 BUREAUCRACY AND A LONG STATUTORY
10/15/09 10:04:41 HISTORY IN THE CITY.
10/15/09 10:04:43 LET ALONG STATE AND FEDERAL
10/15/09 10:04:45 GUIDELINES THAT HAMPER EVERYONE.
10/15/09 10:04:47 THE SETTLEMENT YOU HAVE IS A
10/15/09 10:04:49 BALANCE OF MANY, MANY THINGS.
10/15/09 10:04:51 AS YOU HEARD FROM YOUR LEGAL
10/15/09 10:04:53 DEPARTMENT, IT IS A GOOD
10/15/09 10:04:54 SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT.
10/15/09 10:04:57 AS I ALSO TOLD YOU,
10/15/09 10:04:57 THERE IS
10/15/09 10:04:59 VIRTUALLY NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN
10/15/09 10:05:01 WHAT IS PROPOSED HERE TODAY FROM
10/15/09 10:05:02 WHAT YOU HEARD PREVIOUSLY.
10/15/09 10:05:03 WE TOOK OUT THE DIGITAL AS
10/15/09 10:05:04 DIRECTED.
10/15/09 10:05:07 I WOULD ASK YOU
10/15/09 10:05:08 TO KEEP IN THAT
10/15/09 10:05:08 MINE.
10/15/09 10:05:10 WE ARE HERE TO WORK WITH THE
10/15/09 10:05:10 CITY AND THE RESIDENTS, YOU KNOW
10/15/09 10:05:14 THAT WE HAVE BEEN HERE FOR A
10/15/09 10:05:16 LONG TIME AND WILL CONTINUE TO
10/15/09 10:05:16 DO SO.
10/15/09 10:05:18 REGARDING THE SETTLEMENT IT IS A
10/15/09 10:05:18 GOOD AGREEMENT.
10/15/09 10:05:20 WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND
10/15/09 10:05:21 CONSIDERATION, THANK YOU VERY
10/15/09 10:05:21 MUCH.
10/15/09 10:05:22 >>> THANK YOU.
10/15/09 10:05:23 THAT CONCLUDE THE PUBLIC
10/15/09 10:05:24 COMMENTS THIS MORNING.
10/15/09 10:05:27 WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO, COUNCIL
10/15/09 10:05:30 IS AT THIS POINT IF
10/15/09 10:05:30 MR. FLETCHER
10/15/09 10:05:34 CAN COME AND --
10/15/09 10:05:35 NO PROHIBITION,
10/15/09 10:05:38 WE CAN TAKE UP ITEMS 90, 91
10/15/09 10:05:39 AND
10/15/09 10:05:41 92, THE WORKSHOP AND GET THAT
10/15/09 10:05:44 SETTLED AND 90 AND
10/15/09 10:05:45 91, IF
10/15/09 10:05:48 THERE'S AN AGREEMENT TO THE
10/15/09 10:05:48 CONTINUANCE.
10/15/09 10:05:49 >> 91 THROUGH '93.
10/15/09 10:05:50 >> THAT'S WHAT I SAID, MR.
10/15/09 10:05:51 CHAIRMAN.
10/15/09 10:05:54 >> ON THE TWO SETTLEMENT
10/15/09 10:05:55 AGREEMENTS.
10/15/09 10:05:57 >> YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD.
10/15/09 10:05:58 >> CHIP FLETCHER CITY ATTORNEY.
10/15/09 10:05:59 THE PREFERENCE OF THE SIGN
10/15/09 10:06:01 COMPANIES WOULD BE TO GO FORWARD
10/15/09 10:06:04 WITH THE SETTLEMENT AGREEMENTS
10/15/09 10:06:05 TODAY.
10/15/09 10:06:05 HOWEVER, MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD
10/15/09 10:06:08 BE THAT YOU --AT YOUR REQUEST,
10/15/09 10:06:11 YOU SCHEDULE THEM FOR
10/15/09 10:06:12 NOVEMBER
10/15/09 10:06:15 5th, WE DO HAVE ONE DEADLINE FOR
10/15/09 10:06:17 CBS, THE COURTS HAVE GIVEN TO
10/15/09 10:06:18 DECEMBER 3rd TO COMPLETE
10/15/09 10:06:21 SETTLEMENT OR GO BACK INTO
10/15/09 10:06:23 LITIGATION, SO WE DO HAVE THAT
10/15/09 10:06:25 OUTSIDE LIMIT BUT GOING TO
10/15/09 10:06:28 NOVEMBER 5th, I DO NOT BELIEVE
10/15/09 10:06:29 WOULD CREATE A HARDSHIP THERE.
10/15/09 10:06:31 I DO BELIEVE THAT WE WILL NEED
10/15/09 10:06:34 TO GET A VOTE ON THAT
10/15/09 10:06:36 DATE.
10/15/09 10:06:38 OR OTHERWISE WE WILL BE IN THE
10/15/09 10:06:40 POSTURE OF HAVING TO GO BACK TO
10/15/09 10:06:40 LITIGATION.
10/15/09 10:06:43 >> THEY ARE AMENABLE TO THE
10/15/09 10:06:46 NOVEMBER THE 5th
10/15/09 10:06:47 DATE THEN?
10/15/09 10:06:48 >> THEY CAN LIVE WITH IT.
10/15/09 10:06:51 >> I BELIEVE IT IS APPROPRIATE
10/15/09 10:06:52 FOR COUNCIL TO CONTINUE THOSE
10/15/09 10:06:53 DATES.
10/15/09 10:06:54 THERE IS NO LEGAL PROHIBITION ON
10/15/09 10:06:54 THAT.
10/15/09 10:06:57 THEY ARE NOT GOING TO GET UP
10/15/09 10:06:59 HERE AND OBJECT IS MY
10/15/09 10:06:59 UNDERSTANDING.
10/15/09 10:07:00 >> THAT'S FINE.
10/15/09 10:07:02 >> MR. CHAIRMAN, I THINK THAT IT
10/15/09 10:07:03 MIGHT BE VALUABLE, I KNOW WE
10/15/09 10:07:06 DON'T HAVE ANY WORKSHOP TIME FOR
10/15/09 10:07:07 A LONG TIME BUT IT MIGHT BE
10/15/09 10:07:09 VALUABLE TO HAVE A SPECIAL
10/15/09 10:07:13 DISCUSSION MEETING JUST TO ALLOW
10/15/09 10:07:13 GREATER DIALOGUE.
10/15/09 10:07:15 I DON'T THINK THAT WE CAN COME
10/15/09 10:07:17 UP HERE WITH WHAT IS BEFORE US
10/15/09 10:07:19 TODAY, I DON'T THINK WE CAN COME
10/15/09 10:07:20 BACK IN THREE WEEKS WITH
10/15/09 10:07:22 SOMETHING THAT IS GOING TO BE
10/15/09 10:07:24 ACCEPTABLE, I'M LOOKING AT THE
10/15/09 10:07:27 CALENDAR AND I KNOW WE DON'T
10/15/09 10:07:29 HAVE TIME FOR REGULAR WORKSHOPS
10/15/09 10:07:31 BUT I WOULD LIKE TO PROP --
10/15/09 10:07:32 GOSH, WHAT DO WE HAVE?
10/15/09 10:07:33 WE HAVE NEXT WEEK.
10/15/09 10:07:35 WE HAVE A WORKSHOP IN THE
10/15/09 10:07:37 MORNING AND AN EVENING SESSION
10/15/09 10:07:38 FOR COUNCIL MEMBERS AND CITIZENS
10/15/09 10:07:41 THAT COULD COME, I WOULD
10/15/09 10:07:44 SUGGEST
10/15/09 10:07:45 A SPECIAL DISCUSSION MEETING IN
10/15/09 10:07:46 THE AFTERNOON.
10/15/09 10:07:49 DO YOU ANTICIPATE BEING ABLE
10/15/09 10:07:50 TO
10/15/09 10:07:52 MEET WITH THE PUBLIC AND ANSWER
10/15/09 10:07:53 THEIR QUESTIONS BEFORE THE 5th
10/15/09 10:07:56 BECAUSE WHAT IS BEFORE US
10/15/09 10:07:58 TODAY
10/15/09 10:07:59 OBVIOUSLY IS NOT SATISFACTORY TO
10/15/09 10:08:00 OUR COMMUNITY.
10/15/09 10:08:03 >> I
10/15/09 10:08:06 WILL SAY THIS AS
10/15/09 10:08:07 PLAINLY AS
10/15/09 10:08:07 I CAN.
10/15/09 10:08:09 WE HAVE BEEN THROUGH THIS
10/15/09 10:08:10 DIALOGUE FOR AN EXTENSIVE PERIOD
10/15/09 10:08:11 OF TIME.
10/15/09 10:08:12 A LOT OF WHAT YOU HAVE HEARD
10/15/09 10:08:13 TODAY FROM THE PUBLIC WAS
10/15/09 10:08:15 CONFUSING AND WAS MIXING
10/15/09 10:08:17 TOGETHER WHAT IS IN THE DRAFT
10/15/09 10:08:19 ORDINANCE AND WHAT IS IN THE
10/15/09 10:08:20 SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT.
10/15/09 10:08:22 OTHER THINGS THAT WERE MENTIONED
10/15/09 10:08:25 ARE REQUIRED BY
10/15/09 10:08:28 STATE LAW AND WE
10/15/09 10:08:30 ARE HAPPY TO EXPLAIN THOSE AND
10/15/09 10:08:33 THERE ARE
10/15/09 10:08:35 OTHER ISSUES THAT WE
10/15/09 10:08:37 HAVE NEGOTIATED BEFORE AND WE
10/15/09 10:08:38 HAVE REACHED AN AGREEMENT ON.
10/15/09 10:08:41 WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO
10/15/09 10:08:44 GO
10/15/09 10:08:44 BACK
10/15/09 10:08:45 THROUGH THOSE AGAIN.
10/15/09 10:08:47 FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE --
10/15/09 10:08:49 >> I WANT A MOTION TO CONTINUE
10/15/09 10:08:50 THIS.
10/15/09 10:08:51 THAT'S WHAT WE NEED BETWEEN NOW
10/15/09 10:08:52 AND THREE WEEKS.
10/15/09 10:08:54 YOU CAN MEET WITH EVERYBODY YOU
10/15/09 10:08:56 WANT TO MEET WITH AND TALK TO
10/15/09 10:08:58 EVERYBODY AND GET EVERYBODY'S
10/15/09 10:08:59 INPUT.
10/15/09 10:09:02 >> AND WE WILL MEET
10/15/09 10:09:04 WITH
10/15/09 10:09:04 EVERYONE.
10/15/09 10:09:07 >> IS
10/15/09 10:09:08 THAT SECOND?
10/15/09 10:09:09 >> YES.
10/15/09 10:09:10 ON WHICH ITEM.
10/15/09 10:09:11 >> THE SETTLEMENT.
10/15/09 10:09:14 >> 91 AND 92.
10/15/09 10:09:17 >> THE SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT,
10/15/09 10:09:17 90
10/15/09 10:09:18 AND 91.
10/15/09 10:09:19 >> 91 AND 92.
10/15/09 10:09:20 >> 91 AND 92, YES.
10/15/09 10:09:20 >> MR. CHAIRMAN.
10/15/09 10:09:21 >> LET'S DO THAT MOTION.
10/15/09 10:09:23 >> IT'S ABOUT THIS MOTION.
10/15/09 10:09:26 AND IT'S ABOUT THE
10/15/09 10:09:27 ISSUE THAT
10/15/09 10:09:28 WAS RAISED BY MR. JOHNSON ABOUT
10/15/09 10:09:31 THE OUTSIDE ATTORNEY WHO'S
10/15/09 10:09:34 AN
10/15/09 10:09:37 EXPERT THAT WILL BE A SECOND
10/15/09 10:09:40 OPINION, WOULD --
10/15/09 10:09:42 YOU HAVE NOT
10/15/09 10:09:42 MEANT WITH HIM?
10/15/09 10:09:44 >> NO.
10/15/09 10:09:45 >> I THINK THAT WOULD BE
10/15/09 10:09:47 VALUABLE AND I THINK THAT NEED
10/15/09 10:09:48 TO HAPPEN BETWEEN NOW AND
10/15/09 10:09:50 NOVEMBER 5th, I WOULD LIKE TO
10/15/09 10:09:51 SEE WHERE EVERYTHING IN THE
10/15/09 10:09:54 WORLD WHERE YOU MEET WITH HIM IN
10/15/09 10:09:57 ADVANCE AND CHAIR HIS OPINIONS
10/15/09 10:09:57 WITH US.
10/15/09 10:09:59 I THINK THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT.
10/15/09 10:10:00 I KNOW THAT COUNCIL CAN'T DIRECT
10/15/09 10:10:01 THE ADMINISTRATION TO DO
10/15/09 10:10:03 ANYTHING BUT THIS IS A CONTRACT
10/15/09 10:10:04 THAT IS GOING TO BE COMING
10/15/09 10:10:05 BEFORE US, A SETTLEMENT
10/15/09 10:10:08 AGREEMENT AND FOR US
10/15/09 10:10:11 TO BE HAPPY
10/15/09 10:10:14 WIT,
10/15/09 10:10:15 -- WITH IT.
10/15/09 10:10:19 I WOULD HOPE THAT YOU
10/15/09 10:10:19 WOULD
10/15/09 10:10:22 INCLUDE THAT BEFORE
10/15/09 10:10:23 DECEMBER
10/15/09 10:10:24 5th.
10/15/09 10:10:24 >> THANK YOU.
10/15/09 10:10:27 I THINK THAT THIS IS APPROPRIATE
10/15/09 10:10:30 TO THE CONTINUANCE OF THE
10/15/09 10:10:32 SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT.
10/15/09 10:10:34 I HAVE A QUESTION.
10/15/09 10:10:37 IT IS ALSO
10/15/09 10:10:40 APPLIES TO THIS
10/15/09 10:10:43 RECOMMENDATION FROM MS.
10/15/09 10:10:43 SAUL-SENA.
10/15/09 10:10:45 WHY DID WE NOT HAVE --NORMALLY
10/15/09 10:10:48 WHEN WE HAVE THE
10/15/09 10:10:48 SETTLEMENTS WE
10/15/09 10:10:51 HAVE
10/15/09 10:10:54 A CLOSED MEETING AND
10/15/09 10:10:57 DISCUSS IT SO THAT IT
10/15/09 10:10:59 DOES NOT
10/15/09 10:11:01 BECOME OUR APPROVAL OR OUR VOTE
10/15/09 10:11:03 --WHY DON'T WE HAVE A CLOSED
10/15/09 10:11:03 SESSION?
10/15/09 10:11:05 >> WE COULD HAVE A CLOSED
10/15/09 10:11:08 SESSION ON THIS,
10/15/09 10:11:11 HOWEVER, WHEN
10/15/09 10:11:14 WE BROUGHT THIS BEFORE YOU
10/15/09 10:11:16 ORIGINALLY, THE VIEW WAS
10/15/09 10:11:17 ESPECIALLY WITH THE BILLBOARDS
10/15/09 10:11:20 IN IT, THERE WAS SO
10/15/09 10:11:24 MANY
10/15/09 10:11:27 POLICIES IN IT THAT DIDN'T SEEM
10/15/09 10:11:27 APPROPRIATE.
10/15/09 10:11:28 WE HAD ONE-ON-ONE BRIEFINGS.
10/15/09 10:11:28 >> ALL RIGHT.
10/15/09 10:11:31 I WILL MEET WITH YOU AND WE
10/15/09 10:11:34 CAN
10/15/09 10:11:35 TALK ABOUT THAT.
10/15/09 10:11:37 THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO SAY
10/15/09 10:11:40 IS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO POINT
10/15/09 10:11:41 OUT --
10/15/09 10:11:42 >> I'M SORRY.
10/15/09 10:11:43 MR.CHAIRMAN, JULIE CORRECTED ME,
10/15/09 10:11:44 BEFORE I JOINED THE CITY THERE
10/15/09 10:11:47 WAS A MEETING WHERE THE GENERAL
10/15/09 10:11:48 OUTLINE OF THE TERMS WAS
10/15/09 10:11:49 DISCUSSED WITH COUNCIL BUT THAT
10/15/09 10:11:51 WAS BEFORE MY TIME.
10/15/09 10:11:52 >> BEFORE MY TIME, TOO, I GUESS.
10/15/09 10:11:55 >> YOU AND I CAN TALK ABOUT
10/15/09 10:11:58 IT.
10/15/09 10:12:00 THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO
10/15/09 10:12:02 POINT OUT BECAUSE WE ARE JUST --
10/15/09 10:12:03 WE ARE JUST GOING TO BE
10/15/09 10:12:06 CONTINUING THIS AND VOTING ON
10/15/09 10:12:08 IT, IS THAT CORRECT?
10/15/09 10:12:10 IS THAT WHAT THE MOTION IS?
10/15/09 10:12:10 >> NO.
10/15/09 10:12:13 >> IT IS
10/15/09 10:12:14 A WORKSHOP?
10/15/09 10:12:16 >> NO IT IS CONSIDERATION ON
10/15/09 10:12:17 NOVEMBER 5.
10/15/09 10:12:18 >> FOR THE SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT.
10/15/09 10:12:21 >> FOR THE SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT.
10/15/09 10:12:23 >> YOU ARE GOING TO GO BACK.
10/15/09 10:12:25 >> AND SPEAK WITH THE FOLKS AND
10/15/09 10:12:25 ANSWER THEIR QUESTIONS.
10/15/09 10:12:28 >> I DO NEED TO
10/15/09 10:12:30 SAY THIS.
10/15/09 10:12:33 ON PAGE 2, NEAR
10/15/09 10:12:35 THE VERY BOTTOM
10/15/09 10:12:37 WHEREAS THE SECOND TO LAST
10/15/09 10:12:40 "WHEREAS" THE LAST SENTENCE IT
10/15/09 10:12:43 SAYS "AND TO INCORPORATE NEW
10/15/09 10:12:46 MATERIAL AND TECHNOLOGY" I FIND
10/15/09 10:12:49 THAT PROBLEMATIC AS FAR AS
10/15/09 10:12:51 REMOVING ANY CONNECTION WITH
10/15/09 10:12:51 DIGITAL.
10/15/09 10:12:52 I'M JUST SAYING THIS.
10/15/09 10:12:55 I DON'T NEED AN ANSWER.
10/15/09 10:12:56 THEN ON THE NEXT PAGE, ON PAGE
10/15/09 10:12:59 3, AND THIS IS AS FAR AS
10/15/09 10:13:00 I GOT
10/15/09 10:13:00 ON THIS.
10/15/09 10:13:03 THIS PAGE 3, SO WE'LL SEE
10/15/09 10:13:04 IF
10/15/09 10:13:07 THERE ARE OTHER
10/15/09 10:13:09 REFERENCES BUT
10/15/09 10:13:11 ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, THE 5th
10/15/09 10:13:13 "WHEREAS" HOWEVER IF THE CITY
10/15/09 10:13:15 ADOPTS A DIGITAL ORDINANCE
10/15/09 10:13:17 WITHIN THE 4 MONTH OPTION PERIOD
10/15/09 10:13:19 THAN CBS OUTDOORS WILL HAVE THE
10/15/09 10:13:21 OPTION IN ITS SOLE DISCRETION AS
10/15/09 10:13:22 PROVIDED FOR HEREIN OF EXECUTING
10/15/09 10:13:24 THE AGREEMENT AT ANY TIME WITHIN
10/15/09 10:13:27 45 DAYS FROM THE ADOPTION
10/15/09 10:13:28 OF THE
10/15/09 10:13:29 DIGITAL ORDINANCE.
10/15/09 10:13:30 THE REFERENCES ARE IN THERE.
10/15/09 10:13:33 I THINK THE ESCAPE CLAUSE IS
10/15/09 10:13:34 SOMEWHERE ELSE, TOO.
10/15/09 10:13:37 BUT I WOULD LIKE TO ADD TO
10/15/09 10:13:37 THE
10/15/09 10:13:40 MOTION --WHO
10/15/09 10:13:43 MADE THE
10/15/09 10:13:44 MOTION?
10/15/09 10:13:47 IF YOU DON'T MIND, THAT
10/15/09 10:13:47 OUR
10/15/09 10:13:50 REFERENCES TO DIGITAL MEDIA BE
10/15/09 10:13:53 REMOVED FROM THE
10/15/09 10:13:53 SETTLEMENT
10/15/09 10:13:57 AGREEMENT WHICH IS WHAT WE ASKED
10/15/09 10:13:58 FOR MONTHS AGO.
10/15/09 10:14:00 THIS WAS BROUGHT BACK TO US.
10/15/09 10:14:03 SO I'M NOT GOING
10/15/09 10:14:06 TO VOTE FOR
10/15/09 10:14:09 ANYTHING THAT HAS ANY REFERENCE
10/15/09 10:14:12 TO DIGITAL IN
10/15/09 10:14:13 THE SETTLEMENT
10/15/09 10:14:14 AGREEMENT.
10/15/09 10:14:15 >> WAIT.
10/15/09 10:14:15 WAIT.
10/15/09 10:14:15 WAIT.
10/15/09 10:14:16 FIRST OF ALL, DID YOU MEET WITH
10/15/09 10:14:17 CITY COUNCIL LIKE YOU DID WITH
10/15/09 10:14:19 ME IN CHAMBERS AND WE ASKED ALL
10/15/09 10:14:20 OF THE QUESTIONS, WENT THROUGH
10/15/09 10:14:23 THIS --DID YOU DO
10/15/09 10:14:23 THAT?
10/15/09 10:14:26 >> YES,
10/15/09 10:14:29 MR. CHAIRMAN, WITH THE
10/15/09 10:14:32 EXCEPTION,
10/15/09 10:14:33 MS. MULHERN WAS ILL.
10/15/09 10:14:35 SO WE DID NOT HAVE A MEETING ON
10/15/09 10:14:35 THAT.
10/15/09 10:14:37 >> MY SUGGESTION IS TO MEET WITH
10/15/09 10:14:38 THE COUNCIL MEMBERS AND ANSWER
10/15/09 10:14:41 ALL OF THEIR QUESTIONS AND
10/15/09 10:14:43 LISTEN TO WHAT THE
10/15/09 10:14:44 RECOMMENDATIONS ARE.
10/15/09 10:14:45 THERE'S A MOTION ON THE FLOOR
10/15/09 10:14:47 THAT TO ONLY CONTINUE THIS ITEM
10/15/09 10:14:48 TO NOVEMBER 5th.
10/15/09 10:14:51 WE SHOULD BE SPEAKING
10/15/09 10:14:52 TO THE
10/15/09 10:14:54 MOTION OF A CONTINUANCE.
10/15/09 10:14:55 COUNCILMAN DEAN.
10/15/09 10:14:58 >> I ASKED IN ADDITION TO THE
10/15/09 10:15:01 MOTION, I DON'T
10/15/09 10:15:02 KNOW IF MR.--
10/15/09 10:15:05 MIRANDA ACCEPTED
10/15/09 10:15:05 THAT.
10/15/09 10:15:07 >> I DIDN'T.
10/15/09 10:15:09 I JUST TURNED AND ASKED THE
10/15/09 10:15:12 CHAIRMAN, MY MEMORY MADE --AL,0
10/15/09 10:15:15 THERE'S A 50/50
10/15/09 10:15:17 CHANCE THAT I
10/15/09 10:15:20 WILL NOT
10/15/09 10:15:23 BE IN TAMPA ON NOVEMBER
10/15/09 10:15:23 5th.
10/15/09 10:15:24 >> OH, WELL.
10/15/09 10:15:27 >> COUNCILMAN DING FELLER.
10/15/09 10:15:28 >> I SUPPORT THE MOTION
10/15/09 10:15:28 COMPLETELY.
10/15/09 10:15:30 I THINK IT IS WELL MADE.
10/15/09 10:15:33 THEY HAVE A FOUR
10/15/09 10:15:35 MONTH OPTION TO
10/15/09 10:15:38 LOOK
10/15/09 10:15:41 TO LOOK AT IT AND
10/15/09 10:15:43 WAIT
10/15/09 10:15:44 THREE WEEKS.
10/15/09 10:15:45 THE SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT, THIS
10/15/09 10:15:46 COUNCIL HAS PUT IN A LOT OF
10/15/09 10:15:48 HOURS ON GETTING TO THE POINT OF
10/15/09 10:15:49 THE SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT, BUT
10/15/09 10:15:51 THE BIGGEST PROBLEM WITH THE
10/15/09 10:15:54 SETTLEMENT
10/15/09 10:15:57 AGREEMENT I THINK
10/15/09 10:15:58 WE
10/15/09 10:16:01 ALL AGREED
10/15/09 10:16:04 ON IS THAT IT
10/15/09 10:16:06 INCLUDED THE SETTLEMENT PART,
10/15/09 10:16:07 THE EXTRACTION AND JULIE
10/15/09 10:16:08 REMINDED US THAT THERE IS ONLY
10/15/09 10:16:10 ONE ISSUE THAT SHE AND RANDY ARE
10/15/09 10:16:11 WORKING ON.
10/15/09 10:16:12 BUT BASICALLY 99% OF IT WAS THE
10/15/09 10:16:13 SAME AS BEFORE.
10/15/09 10:16:15 THAT'S WHY I THINK I WOULD BE
10/15/09 10:16:17 READY TO GO THROUGH WITH THIS
10/15/09 10:16:19 THREE WEEKS FROM NOW.
10/15/09 10:16:21 I THINK MR. PRESTON MADE A GOOD
10/15/09 10:16:21 POINT.
10/15/09 10:16:23 IT IS A GOOD AGREEMENT, IT
10/15/09 10:16:25 REDUCES A LOT OF THE BILLBOARDS
10/15/09 10:16:26 AND IT ELIMINATES LITIGATION AND
10/15/09 10:16:29 THAT'S A GOOD SOLID GOAL AS TO
10/15/09 10:16:30 THE OLD BILLBOARDS.
10/15/09 10:16:31 WHEN IT COMES TO THE DIGITAL
10/15/09 10:16:34 BILLBOARDS, WE'LL GET TO THAT
10/15/09 10:16:34 IN
10/15/09 10:16:35 A COUPLE OF MONTHS.
10/15/09 10:16:37 BUT WE ARE NOT THERE TODAY.
10/15/09 10:16:39 >> YOU NEED TO SPEAK TO --DID
10/15/09 10:16:41 YOU AGREE TO ADD TO THAT,
10/15/09 10:16:42 BECAUSE SHE SAID TAKE NO
10/15/09 10:16:43 REFERENCE OUT.
10/15/09 10:16:46 I UNDERSTAND THAT WAS THE
10/15/09 10:16:47 NEED
10/15/09 10:16:49 FOR THAT TO BE THERE.
10/15/09 10:16:51 >> THERE IS TWO --THOSE
10/15/09 10:16:53 REFERENCES ASIDE IN THE WHEREAS
10/15/09 10:16:56 CLAUSES, THERE IS TWO
10/15/09 10:16:59 SUBSTANTIVE REFERENCES TO THE
10/15/09 10:17:00 ELECTRONIC BILLBOARDS.
10/15/09 10:17:02 ONE IS THE REFERENCE THAT
10/15/09 10:17:03 COUNCIL DINGFELDER REFERENCED.
10/15/09 10:17:05 THE OTHER ONE THAT THERE IS NO
10/15/09 10:17:08 RIGHT TO ELECTRONIC BILLBOARD IN
10/15/09 10:17:10 THIS AGREEMENT SO THAT ANY
10/15/09 10:17:12 FUTURE ELECTRONIC BILLBOARDS ARE
10/15/09 10:17:13 PURSUANT TO CITY CODE.
10/15/09 10:17:16 THERE'S A REFERENCE LIKE THAT IN
10/15/09 10:17:18 HERE TO IT IS VERY CLEAR,
10/15/09 10:17:21 ABUNDANTLY CLEAR THAT WE ARE NOT
10/15/09 10:17:22 CREATING AN ENTITLEMENT RIGHT.
10/15/09 10:17:23 I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT TO
10/15/09 10:17:23 INCLUDE.
10/15/09 10:17:26 >> WE NEED TO VOTE
10/15/09 10:17:27 ON THE MOTION
10/15/09 10:17:29 LET ME SAY.
10/15/09 10:17:32 LET ME FIRST THANK LEGAL FOR
10/15/09 10:17:35 YOUR TIME AND FOR YOUR WORK.
10/15/09 10:17:38 AND ALSO FOR MEETING WITH ME AND
10/15/09 10:17:40 ANSWERING MY QUESTIONS IN GOING
10/15/09 10:17:41 OVER THE DOCUMENTS.
10/15/09 10:17:42 EVERYBODY NEEDS TO UNDERSTAND
10/15/09 10:17:44 THAT WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT
10/15/09 10:17:45 SETTLEMENT OR COMPROMISE, THAT
10/15/09 10:17:47 MEANS NOBODY IS GOING TO BE
10/15/09 10:17:47 HAPPY.
10/15/09 10:17:48 THAT'S WHAT IT MEANS.
10/15/09 10:17:50 THEY ARE NOT GOING TO GET WHAT
10/15/09 10:17:51 THEY WANT AND THE CITY IS NOT
10/15/09 10:17:55 GOING TO GET WHAT
10/15/09 10:17:55 THEY WANT.
10/15/09 10:17:57 THAT'S WHAT SETTLEMENT IS ABOUT.
10/15/09 10:17:58 THAT'S WHAT COMPROMISE IS ABOUT.
10/15/09 10:17:59 SO WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT.
10/15/09 10:18:01 THEY ARE NOT GOING TO GET
10/15/09 10:18:02 EVERYTHING THEY WANT, NOR IS THE
10/15/09 10:18:03 CITY GOING TO GET EVERYTHING
10/15/09 10:18:06 THEY WANT EITHER BUT WE
10/15/09 10:18:07 WILL
10/15/09 10:18:09 TAKE THAT ISSUE UP ON NOVEMBER
10/15/09 10:18:09 5th.
10/15/09 10:18:10 >> THANK YOU.
10/15/09 10:18:11 WHEN WE COME BACK NOVEMBER 5th,
10/15/09 10:18:13 I WOULD HIKE LEGAL TO SHARE WITH
10/15/09 10:18:15 COUNCIL A TIMELINE OF EXACTLY
10/15/09 10:18:18 HOW LONG THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON
10/15/09 10:18:19 ACCURATELY PORTRAYING THE FACT
10/15/09 10:18:21 THAT THE REASON WE HAVE NOT
10/15/09 10:18:22 GOTTEN RID OF BILLBOARDS THAT
10/15/09 10:18:25 WERE SUPPOSED TO REMOVED TEN
10/15/09 10:18:27 YEARS AGO IS THAT THE BILLBOARD
10/15/09 10:18:29 INDUSTRY HELD IT UP FOR YEARS
10/15/09 10:18:29 AND YEARS.
10/15/09 10:18:31 IT IS THE NOT THE CITY'S FAULT,
10/15/09 10:18:33 IT IS THE BILLBOARD INDUSTRY
10/15/09 10:18:35 THAT HAS CONTINUED TO SUE AND
10/15/09 10:18:37 TWIST AND MANIPULATE AND REFUSED
10/15/09 10:18:38 TO REMOVE THE BILLBOARD THAT
10/15/09 10:18:40 WERE COMMITTED MANY, MANY YEARS
10/15/09 10:18:41 AGO TO BE REMOVED.
10/15/09 10:18:42 I HAVE BEEN AROUND SINCE GOD
10/15/09 10:18:43 MADE DIRT, I REMEMBER ALL OF
10/15/09 10:18:45 THIS AND IT IS WRONG THAT WE
10/15/09 10:18:46 STILL HAVE THESE BILLBOARDS THAT
10/15/09 10:18:49 WERE SUPPOSED TO BE REMOVED ALL
10/15/09 10:18:51 OF THOSE YEARS AGO STILL STARING
10/15/09 10:18:53 AT US AND NOW IT IS BEING
10/15/09 10:18:54 PROMOTED WELL WE MIGHT TAKE
10/15/09 10:18:56 THESE DOWN IF WE GET BLAH, BLAH,
10/15/09 10:18:57 BLAH.
10/15/09 10:18:58 SO I WANT THAT HISTORY TO BE
10/15/09 10:18:58 FRESH.
10/15/09 10:19:00 IF YOU COULD PROVIDE US WITH
10/15/09 10:19:02 THAT LEGAL TIMELINE I THINK
10/15/09 10:19:03 WOULD BE EDIFYING FOR US ALL.
10/15/09 10:19:06 >> THAT'S
10/15/09 10:19:09 A MOTION ON THE FLOOR.
10/15/09 10:19:12 ALL IN
10/15/09 10:19:13 FAVOR OF THE MOTION AYE.
10/15/09 10:19:14 >> AYE.
10/15/09 10:19:15 >> OPPOSES.
10/15/09 10:19:16 >> SECOND IS THE WORKSHOP FOR
10/15/09 10:19:17 THE JANUARY --OUR NEXT WORKSHOP
10/15/09 10:19:20 DATE SO THAT WOULD BE JANUARY
10/15/09 10:19:22 FOR THE WORKSHOP.
10/15/09 10:19:23 >> WELL, WHAT THE --WHAT OUR
10/15/09 10:19:24 RECOMMENDATION IS AND THE
10/15/09 10:19:26 REQUEST FROM A NUMBER OF FOLKS
10/15/09 10:19:29 THAT I HEARD BOTH FROM
10/15/09 10:19:29 PUBLIC
10/15/09 10:19:30 COMMENT IN TALKING WITH THE
10/15/09 10:19:32 BILLBOARD COMPANIES WOULD BE TO
10/15/09 10:19:35 TRY TO DO A
10/15/09 10:19:36 WORKSHOP IN
10/15/09 10:19:37 DECEMBER.
10/15/09 10:19:39 WE HAVE GOT --COUPE SILL HAS
10/15/09 10:19:42 THREE MEETING DATES IN DECEMBER.
10/15/09 10:19:44 >> ONLY ONE WORKSHOP DATE.
10/15/09 10:19:45 >> AND THAT'S FOUR.
10/15/09 10:19:46 >> IT'S COUNCIL'S CHOICE WHEN TO
10/15/09 10:19:49 SCHEDULE THIS BUT IN ORDER
10/15/09 10:19:51 TO
10/15/09 10:19:53 TRY TO GET TO SOME RESOLUTION
10/15/09 10:19:56 WITHIN THE SIX MONTH PERIOD I
10/15/09 10:19:59 WAS GOING TO
10/15/09 10:20:01 RECOMMEND DOING
10/15/09 10:20:01 SOMETHING EARLIER.
10/15/09 10:20:04 >> LET'S LOOK AT DECEMBER.
10/15/09 10:20:04 >> MR. CHAIRMAN.
10/15/09 10:20:07 >> WHAT ABOUT DECEMBER 3rd?
10/15/09 10:20:08 >> YES.
10/15/09 10:20:08 >> DECEMBER WOULD BE
10/15/09 10:20:09 APPROPRIATE.
10/15/09 10:20:11 >> DECEMBER 10th --DECEMBER
10/15/09 10:20:13 10th HAS A DISCUSSION OF DROUGHT
10/15/09 10:20:15 TOLERANT --THE PLANTS CAN
10/15/09 10:20:18 PROBABLY --I'M
10/15/09 10:20:20 SORRY.
10/15/09 10:20:22 WHAT ELSE?
10/15/09 10:20:25 >> YOU ALSO JUST ADDED
10/15/09 10:20:28 A
10/15/09 10:20:29 TEXT
10/15/09 10:20:30 AMENDMENT, AT 11:15 AND KAREN
10/15/09 10:20:33 PALUS HER DISCUSSION IS
10/15/09 10:20:34 BEING
10/15/09 10:20:36 ROLLED INTO THAT AS WELL.
10/15/09 10:20:37 >> I MOVE IT TO THE 3rd.
10/15/09 10:20:37 >> SECOND.
10/15/09 10:20:38 >> AT A REGULAR MEETING.
10/15/09 10:20:39 >> YOU HAVE NOTHING SCHEDULED
10/15/09 10:20:40 FOR THE REGULAR MEETING.
10/15/09 10:20:43 >> YOU CAN DO IT AT 1:30, WE
10/15/09 10:20:46 DON'T HAVE AN EVENING MEETING.
10/15/09 10:20:47 >> THAT'S FINE.
10/15/09 10:20:48 >> AT 1:30, THAT'S FINE.
10/15/09 10:20:51 >> MAKE SURE WE DON'T HAVE
10/15/09 10:20:54 ANYTHING
10/15/09 10:20:57 ELSE FOR THAT
10/15/09 10:20:57 AFTERNOON.
10/15/09 10:21:00 >> A WORKSHOP FORMAT.
10/15/09 10:21:02 MOVE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
10/15/09 10:21:02 >> AYE.
10/15/09 10:21:03 >> OPPOSES.
10/15/09 10:21:05 SO FOR THOSE OUT OF HERE, THE
10/15/09 10:21:07 AGREEMENTS, SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT
10/15/09 10:21:09 HAS BEEN CONTINUED TO NOVEMBER
10/15/09 10:21:12 THE 5th AND THE WORKSHOP FOR THE
10/15/09 10:21:18 DIGITAL ORDINANCE WOULD BE
10/15/09 10:21:24 DECEMBER THE
10/15/09 10:21:25 3rd AT 1:30.
10/15/09 10:21:28 >> WE WILL
10/15/09 10:21:30 MOVE TO ITEM ONE
10/15/09 10:21:33 PRESENTED FOR
10/15/09 10:21:35 CONSIDERATION.
10/15/09 10:21:36 COUNCILMAN DEAN.
10/15/09 10:21:39 DO YOU WANT
10/15/09 10:21:42 TO
10/15/09 10:21:42 --
10/15/09 10:21:44 >> YES, SIR.
10/15/09 10:21:47 AMENDING THE TAMPA CODE
10/15/09 10:21:49 CHAPTER
10/15/09 10:21:51 28 SPECIAL EVENTS, 28 --32 AND
10/15/09 10:21:53 --34 APPROVAL OF SPECIAL EVENT
10/15/09 10:21:56 PERMITS AND TO AMEND THE
10/15/09 10:21:59 REQUIREMENTS OF SPECIAL EVENT
10/15/09 10:22:00 COMMITTEE MEETINGS FOR
10/15/09 10:22:01 APPEALABLE ORDINANCES.
10/15/09 10:22:04 >> MOVE TO SECOND, ALL SIGNIFY
10/15/09 10:22:07 BY SAYING
10/15/09 10:22:07 AYE.
10/15/09 10:22:08 >> AYE.
10/15/09 10:22:08 >> OPPOSES.
10/15/09 10:22:09 PUBLIC WORK CARRIED.
10/15/09 10:22:10 >> MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY,
10/15/09 10:22:13 SECOND READING WILL BE
10/15/09 10:22:14 HELD
10/15/09 10:22:16 NOVEMBER 5th AT 9:30 A.M.
10/15/09 10:22:18 >> THANK YOU.
10/15/09 10:22:21 COUNCILWOMAN ON THE PUBLIC
10/15/09 10:22:22 SAFETY COMMITTEE.
10/15/09 10:22:25 >> MOTION FOR REST COLLUSION
10/15/09 10:22:25 TWO.
10/15/09 10:22:26 >> SECONDED.
10/15/09 10:22:26 >> AYE.
10/15/09 10:22:27 >> OPPOSES.
10/15/09 10:22:28 >> OKAY, THE PARK CENTER.
10/15/09 10:22:30 >> I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE
10/15/09 10:22:33 RESOLUTIONS THREE THROUGH TEN.
10/15/09 10:22:34 >> SECONDED?
10/15/09 10:22:34 >> SECOND.
10/15/09 10:22:37 >> MOVED AND SECONDED BY
10/15/09 10:22:40 COUNCILMAN
10/15/09 10:22:41 DEAN.
10/15/09 10:22:42 SIGNIFIED BY SAYING AYE.
10/15/09 10:22:42 >> AYE.
10/15/09 10:22:44 >> PUBLIC WORKS COMMITTEE.
10/15/09 10:22:46 >> DOING THEM ONE BY ONE?
10/15/09 10:22:47 >> SECOND.
10/15/09 10:22:50 >> MOVE IN
10/15/09 10:22:52 SECOND, SIGNIFY BY
10/15/09 10:22:52 SAYING AYE.
10/15/09 10:22:53 >> AYE.
10/15/09 10:22:54 >> ITEM TWELVE.
10/15/09 10:22:55 >> MOVE TO SECOND.
10/15/09 10:22:56 >> I CAN TELL YOU WHAT THEY ARE,
10/15/09 10:22:58 ALL OF THEM.
10/15/09 10:23:01 >> I WOULD HIKE TO
10/15/09 10:23:02 MOVE ITEM 13.
10/15/09 10:23:02 >> SECOND.
10/15/09 10:23:05 >> ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY
10/15/09 10:23:05 SAYING AYE.
10/15/09 10:23:07 >> MR. DINGFELDER ASK TO HOLE 14
10/15/09 10:23:07 AND 15.
10/15/09 10:23:09 >> I GOT MY ANSWER.
10/15/09 10:23:10 >> WE WILL MOVE ITEM 14.
10/15/09 10:23:10 >> SECOND.
10/15/09 10:23:12 >> CAN I JUST TELL YOU WHAT THE
10/15/09 10:23:14 ANSWER WAS BECAUSE I THINK IT
10/15/09 10:23:16 WAS A GOOD ANSWER.
10/15/09 10:23:16 >> YES.
10/15/09 10:23:19 >> ITEM 14 AND 15,
10/15/09 10:23:22 MR.
10/15/09 10:23:25 DINGFELDER REPORTS TO US THAT
10/15/09 10:23:27 THESE ARE "THE ROOF FOR THE
10/15/09 10:23:28 CURRENT WASTE WATER TREATMENT
10/15/09 10:23:29 PLANT IS A COOL OR WHITE ROOF
10/15/09 10:23:32 SIMILAR TO THE ONE WE PUT ON THE
10/15/09 10:23:35 CONVENTION CENTER" IN OTHER
10/15/09 10:23:38 WORDS IT'S PRETTY
10/15/09 10:23:38 GREEN.
10/15/09 10:23:41 >> MOVE TO SECOND SIGNIFY
10/15/09 10:23:43 BY
10/15/09 10:23:43 SAYING AYE.
10/15/09 10:23:44 >> SECONDED.
10/15/09 10:23:45 >> I MOVE ITEM 15.
10/15/09 10:23:47 >> ALL IN FAVOR OF ITEM 16.
10/15/09 10:23:47 >> SECOND.
10/15/09 10:23:50 >> MOVED AND SECONDED ALL IN
10/15/09 10:23:51 FAVOR.
10/15/09 10:23:52 >> AYE.
10/15/09 10:23:53 >> MOVE 17.
10/15/09 10:23:54 >> SECOND.
10/15/09 10:23:56 >> MOVE AND SECOND ALL IN FAVOR.
10/15/09 10:23:57 >> AYE.
10/15/09 10:23:58 >> AND ITEM 18.
10/15/09 10:24:01 >> ALL IN FAVOR OF ITEM 19.
10/15/09 10:24:01 >> SECOND.
10/15/09 10:24:03 >> MOVED AND SECOND, ARE WE
10/15/09 10:24:05 GOING TOO FAST CLERK, ARE YOU
10/15/09 10:24:05 ALL RIGHT?
10/15/09 10:24:06 >>
10/15/09 10:24:06 >> I'M FINE.
10/15/09 10:24:08 >> I'LL SLOW IT DOWN.
10/15/09 10:24:10 >> THAT'S FINE.
10/15/09 10:24:13 >> ITEM NUMBER 20.
10/15/09 10:24:15 >> MOVED AND FAVORED.
10/15/09 10:24:16 >> AYE.
10/15/09 10:24:17 >> I'M CONFUSED.
10/15/09 10:24:17 19.
10/15/09 10:24:18 >> MOVED AND SECONDED.
10/15/09 10:24:21 >> THAT'S THE SECOND TIME I
10/15/09 10:24:22 VOTED.
10/15/09 10:24:24 SECONDED 19, ALL SIGNIFY BY
10/15/09 10:24:24 SAYING AYE.
10/15/09 10:24:25 >> AYE.
10/15/09 10:24:25 >> ITEM 20.
10/15/09 10:24:27 >> MOVED AB SECONDED.
10/15/09 10:24:29 >> ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY
10/15/09 10:24:31 SAYING AYE.
10/15/09 10:24:31 >> AYE.
10/15/09 10:24:32 >> ITEM 21.
10/15/09 10:24:33 >> SECONDED.
10/15/09 10:24:36 >> MOVED AND SECONDED ALL
10/15/09 10:24:37 IN
10/15/09 10:24:37 FAVOR AYE.
10/15/09 10:24:38 >> AYE.
10/15/09 10:24:39 >> OPPOSES.
10/15/09 10:24:42 >> ITEM NUMB 22.
10/15/09 10:24:44 >> ALL IN FAVOR.
10/15/09 10:24:44 >> AYE.
10/15/09 10:24:47 >> COUNCILWOMAN FINANCE
10/15/09 10:24:47 COMMITTEE.
10/15/09 10:24:50 >> MOVE ITEMS NUMBER 23 THROUGH
10/15/09 10:24:50 27.
10/15/09 10:24:51 >> SECOND.
10/15/09 10:24:52 >> MOVED AND SECONDED BY
10/15/09 10:24:55 COUNCILWOMAN MIRANDA ALL IN
10/15/09 10:24:55 FAVOR.
10/15/09 10:24:56 >> AYE.
10/15/09 10:24:59 >> BUILDING AND ZONING
10/15/09 10:24:59 COUNCILMAN.
10/15/09 10:25:02 >> MOVE 28 AND 56 AND HOLDING 51
10/15/09 10:25:03 TO 54.
10/15/09 10:25:06 I THINK WE ARE WAITING FOR
10/15/09 10:25:08 MS.
10/15/09 10:25:10 MILLER TO COME IN.
10/15/09 10:25:11 >> AND 55 AND 56.
10/15/09 10:25:12 >> 51 THROUGH 56.
10/15/09 10:25:15 >> 51 THROUGH 56
10/15/09 10:25:16 WE ARE GOING TO
10/15/09 10:25:17 HOLD.
10/15/09 10:25:18 >> THERE SHE IS.
10/15/09 10:25:20 >> SHE HAD A LOT OF QUESTIONS ON
10/15/09 10:25:20 THOSE.
10/15/09 10:25:23 LET MOVE THE ONES THAT HAVE
10/15/09 10:25:26 BEEN, ALL IN FAVOR OF THE
10/15/09 10:25:27 MOTION, SECONDED.
10/15/09 10:25:28 >> SECONDED.
10/15/09 10:25:31 >> ALL SIGNIFY
10/15/09 10:25:33 BY SAYING AYE.
10/15/09 10:25:35 >> OPPOSES.
10/15/09 10:25:36 MS.MILLER, 51 THROUGH 56.
10/15/09 10:25:37 COUNCIL PEOPLE HAVE QUESTIONS.
10/15/09 10:25:39 >> CINDY MILLER, THE DIRECTOR OF
10/15/09 10:25:40 GROWTH MANAGEMENT DEVELOPMENT
10/15/09 10:25:42 SERVICES, WHAT I WOULD REQUEST
10/15/09 10:25:45 IS THAT YOU REMOVE ITEMS
10/15/09 10:25:45 51
10/15/09 10:25:47 THROUGH 56 FROM YOUR AGENDA FOR
10/15/09 10:25:47 TODAY.
10/15/09 10:25:49 >> AND YOU HAVE RECEIVED
10/15/09 10:25:50 QUESTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN
10/15/09 10:25:51 DISTRIBUTED AT COUNCIL IN
10/15/09 10:25:54 WRITING, I BELIEVE
10/15/09 10:25:55 IT IS
10/15/09 10:25:57 APPROPRIATE THAT ME AND MY
10/15/09 10:25:58 DEPARTMENT RESPOND AND,
10/15/09 10:25:59 THEREFORE, I ASK THAT YOU MOVE
10/15/09 10:26:02 THAT AND WE WOULD BACK TO AN
10/15/09 10:26:03 APPROPRIATE DATE LIKELY IN
10/15/09 10:26:03 NOVEMBER.
10/15/09 10:26:05 WE MAY BECAUSE OF THE TIME
10/15/09 10:26:06 LIMITS AS YOU HAD POINTED OUT AS
10/15/09 10:26:09 TO WHEN WE LIKE TO AWARD, WE MAY
10/15/09 10:26:11 ALSO BE BACK TO YOU FOR A
10/15/09 10:26:14 REQUEST TO BE HEARD AT
10/15/09 10:26:14 A NIGHT
10/15/09 10:26:15 MEETING RATHER THAN STANDARD DAY
10/15/09 10:26:16 MEETING.
10/15/09 10:26:18 WE WILL BE BACK TO YOU.
10/15/09 10:26:20 >> NOT GOING TO LOSE THE MONEY,
10/15/09 10:26:21 RIGHT?
10/15/09 10:26:22 >> I HAVE A CLEANED UP VERSION
10/15/09 10:26:23 OF THE QUESTION WITHOUT
10/15/09 10:26:26 ACCUSATIONS FOR THE CLERK.
10/15/09 10:26:28 >> I HAVE THEM BOTH WAYS.
10/15/09 10:26:29 >> I THINK THE CLEANED UP
10/15/09 10:26:32 VERSION IS THE
10/15/09 10:26:35 MORE
10/15/09 10:26:36 APPROPRIATE
10/15/09 10:26:37 ONE TO RESPOND TO.
10/15/09 10:26:38 >> YOU DIDN'T ANSWER MY
10/15/09 10:26:41 QUESTION, WE ARE NOT
10/15/09 10:26:42 GOING TO
10/15/09 10:26:45 LOSE THE
10/15/09 10:26:46 MONEY.
10/15/09 10:26:49 >> I HAVE NO INTENTION
10/15/09 10:26:50 OF MOVING
10/15/09 10:26:51 $7 MILLION.
10/15/09 10:26:52 >> WHAT IS THE DEADLINE.
10/15/09 10:26:54 >> MR. CHAIRMAN IT IS MY
10/15/09 10:26:56 INTENTION NEVER TO REMOVE ANY
10/15/09 10:26:57 MONEY.
10/15/09 10:26:58 I WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING
10/15/09 10:26:59 IS APPROPRIATE AND THESE
10/15/09 10:27:00 QUESTIONS WERE RAISED LAST NIGHT
10/15/09 10:27:03 AND THAT IS WHY I DIDN'T WRITE
10/15/09 10:27:03 A
10/15/09 10:27:04 MEMBERO PREVIOUSLY.
10/15/09 10:27:06 I KNOW WE DO THINGS
10/15/09 10:27:08 APPROPRIATELY AND I DIDN'T WANT
10/15/09 10:27:10 QUESTIONS HANGING OUT THERE SO I
10/15/09 10:27:11 APPRECIATE YOU HOLDING IT OFF SO
10/15/09 10:27:13 WE CAN COME BACK AND ADDRESS
10/15/09 10:27:13 THEM.
10/15/09 10:27:14 THANK YOU.
10/15/09 10:27:15 >> MOVE TO SECOND ON THAT
10/15/09 10:27:16 MOTION.
10/15/09 10:27:16 >> SECOND.
10/15/09 10:27:19 >> MOVED AND SECONDED ALL IN
10/15/09 10:27:22 FAVOR
10/15/09 10:27:25 SIGNIFY
10/15/09 10:27:28 BY SAYING AYE.
10/15/09 10:27:28 >> AYE.
10/15/09 10:27:31 >>
10/15/09 10:27:35 OPPOSES.
10/15/09 10:27:35 >> OKAY.
10/15/09 10:27:36 TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE.
10/15/09 10:27:37 >> ITEM 57 THROUGH 67?
10/15/09 10:27:40 >> ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY
10/15/09 10:27:41 SAYING AYE.
10/15/09 10:27:42 >> AYE.
10/15/09 10:27:43 >> THANK YOU.
10/15/09 10:27:46 >> PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM
10/15/09 10:27:46 63.
10/15/09 10:27:49 >> MOVED AND SECONDED
10/15/09 10:27:51 BY SAYING
10/15/09 10:27:51 AYE.
10/15/09 10:27:52 >> AYE.
10/15/09 10:27:53 >> OPPOSES.
10/15/09 10:27:53 OKAY.
10/15/09 10:27:54 MR.CHAIRMAN, THANK YOU.
10/15/09 10:27:57 I WANTED
10/15/09 10:28:00 TO MAKE A COMMENT
10/15/09 10:28:03 UNDER
10/15/09 10:28:03 THE TRANSPORT COMMITTEE.
10/15/09 10:28:06 SEVERAL WERE ABLE TO ATTEND TO
10/15/09 10:28:08 THE STREETCAR IN WHITING.
10/15/09 10:28:09 IT WAS EXCITING BECAUSE IT
10/15/09 10:28:12 ENABLES IT TO SHIFT FROM BEING A
10/15/09 10:28:18 TOURIST RAN THING TO
10/15/09 10:28:31 A REAL
10/15/09 10:28:32 COMMUTER
10/15/09 10:28:42 SERVICE.
10/15/09 10:28:46 (CHANGE IN
10/15/09 10:28:58 CAPTIONER) (

10/15/09 10:30:03 >>>
10/15/09 10:30:05 WE'LL COME BACK TO THE
10/15/09 10:30:07 9:30 OF THE HEARINGS.
10/15/09 10:30:09 LET ME TAKE UP THE STAFF COURSE
10/15/09 10:30:10 AT THIS TIME.
10/15/09 10:30:13 WE'LL MOVE
10/15/09 10:30:15 EXPEDITION US
10/15/09 10:30:15 THROUGH.
10/15/09 10:30:17 SOME WE CAN JUST MOVE THROUGH
10/15/09 10:30:20 QUITE FAST SO WE CAN GET
10/15/09 10:30:23 STAFF
10/15/09 10:30:24 OUT.
10/15/09 10:30:24 ITEM 89.
10/15/09 10:30:26 THAT IS A CONTINUANCE UNTIL
10/15/09 10:30:29 DECEMBER 10th.
10/15/09 10:30:32 >>
10/15/09 10:30:32 I MOVE.
10/15/09 10:30:32 >> SECT.
10/15/09 10:30:35 >> ALL IN
10/15/09 10:30:38 FAVOR.
10/15/09 10:30:38 >> AYE.
10/15/09 10:30:41 >> WE WILL
10/15/09 10:30:44 NOW HEAR FROM
10/15/09 10:30:47 MISS
10/15/09 10:30:47 BRICKHOUSE.
10/15/09 10:30:47 >> GOOD MORNING.
10/15/09 10:30:49 I HAVE ONE OF MY STAFF MEMBERS
10/15/09 10:30:51 COMING TO PROVIDE A COUPLE
10/15/09 10:30:51 THINGS.
10/15/09 10:30:53 I HAVE A COUPLE HANDOUTS.
10/15/09 10:30:56 ONE ON A RECOVERY SYSTEM AND
10/15/09 10:30:58 ONE ON OUR RECYCLING AND
10/15/09 10:30:58 EDUCATION PROGRAM.
10/15/09 10:31:00 THEN I JUST HAVE A BAG FOR EACH
10/15/09 10:31:02 ONE OF YOU ALL OF SOME OF THE
10/15/09 10:31:03 PROMOTIONAL MATERIAL THAT WE
10/15/09 10:31:06 USE FOR THE
10/15/09 10:31:07 RECYCLING PROGRAM.
10/15/09 10:31:10 FIRST, I WANT TO TALK ABOUT
10/15/09 10:31:13 THE
10/15/09 10:31:13 RECOVERY SYSTEM.
10/15/09 10:31:16 YOU ALL PROBABLY HAVE
10/15/09 10:31:19 HAD SOME
10/15/09 10:31:22 HISTORY ON
10/15/09 10:31:31 THE
10/15/09 10:31:31 FACILITY.
10/15/09 10:31:34 IT BURNS 350 TONS OF WASTE PER
10/15/09 10:31:34 YEAR.
10/15/09 10:31:36 FROM THAT RECOVERY, 6,500 TONS
10/15/09 10:31:39 OF METAL WHICH COMES
10/15/09 10:31:40 TO
10/15/09 10:31:42 $250,000 A YEAR.
10/15/09 10:31:45 WHAT WE HADN'T BEEN DOING WAS
10/15/09 10:31:48 RECOVERING
10/15/09 10:31:51 THE NONMETAL.
10/15/09 10:31:58 WHAT I WANT TO DO IN THE
10/15/09 10:32:00 INTEREST OF TIME TODAY IS GIVE
10/15/09 10:32:02 YOU AN UPDATE THAT THE
10/15/09 10:32:03 CONSTRUCTION ON THAT SYSTEM
10/15/09 10:32:06 BEGAN ON SEPTEMBER 17th
10/15/09 10:32:09 OF
10/15/09 10:32:09 2009.
10/15/09 10:32:10 WE'RE PROJECTING THE COMPLETION
10/15/09 10:32:13 TO OCCUR ON NOVEMBER 16th.
10/15/09 10:32:15 WHAT WE EXPECT TO HAPPEN WHEN
10/15/09 10:32:17 YOU TALK ABOUT THE METALS,
10/15/09 10:32:20 YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AHUMAN YUM
10/15/09 10:32:23 AND COPPER AND THINGS OF
10/15/09 10:32:24 THAT
10/15/09 10:32:24 NATURE.
10/15/09 10:32:27 WE EXPECT FROM THIS
10/15/09 10:32:29 SYSTEM TO
10/15/09 10:32:31 INCREASE ABOUT 450 TONS PER
10/15/09 10:32:34 YEAR WHAT WE GATHER IN
10/15/09 10:32:34 RECYCLING.
10/15/09 10:32:37 THE BEAUTY OF THAT IS THAT
10/15/09 10:32:38 THAT'S OF NO ADDITIONAL
10/15/09 10:32:41 EQUIPMENT OR MAN POWER
10/15/09 10:32:41 INCREASE.
10/15/09 10:32:43 THE SYSTEM WILL GIVE US 450
10/15/09 10:32:45 ADDITIONAL TONS.
10/15/09 10:32:48 WE'RE LOOKING
10/15/09 10:32:50 AT PROBABLY
10/15/09 10:32:52 GETTING $13,500 A YEAR JUST IN
10/15/09 10:32:55 THE REDUCTION OF THE
10/15/09 10:32:55 LANDFILL
10/15/09 10:32:58 DISPOSAL BILL BY RECYCLING
10/15/09 10:32:59 THIS
10/15/09 10:32:59 METAL.
10/15/09 10:33:02 NOW THE SYSTEM IS COSTING US
10/15/09 10:33:05 $850,000 TO INSTALL AND
10/15/09 10:33:06 GENERATE.
10/15/09 10:33:09 ABOUT $350,000 PER YEAR IN
10/15/09 10:33:11 TOTAL REVENUES.
10/15/09 10:33:13 ONCE THE SYSTEM HAS PAID FOR
10/15/09 10:33:14 ITSELF, THEN THE CITY WILL
10/15/09 10:33:17 CONTINUE TO GET REVENUE
10/15/09 10:33:20 AT 55%
10/15/09 10:33:23 AND THEN WILL GET REVENUES IN
10/15/09 10:33:25 45% TO COVER THE COST OF
10/15/09 10:33:28 OPERATING AND MAINTAINING
10/15/09 10:33:33 THE
10/15/09 10:33:36 SYSTEM.
10/15/09 10:33:38 THE VENDER THAT WILL BE SELLING
10/15/09 10:33:41 OR RECEIVING THESE METALS IS
10/15/09 10:33:42 RESOURCE RECYCLING.
10/15/09 10:33:44 THEY ARE A LOCAL BROKER.
10/15/09 10:33:45 WE'RE PLEASED TO SAY WE HAVE
10/15/09 10:33:47 SEEN THE MARKET TURNING.
10/15/09 10:33:49 RIGHT ABOUT NOW THEY ARE
10/15/09 10:33:52 GETTING ABOUT A
10/15/09 10:33:55 $1,000
10/15/09 10:33:58 A TON.
10/15/09 10:33:59 WE'RE PROJECTING THE REVENUES
10/15/09 10:34:01 BASED ON THAT RANGE.
10/15/09 10:34:04 BUT NOVEMBER 16th WE EXPECT
10/15/09 10:34:07 TO
10/15/09 10:34:10 HAVE THE NONFERROUS
10/15/09 10:34:13 SYSTEM
10/15/09 10:34:16 OPERATING.
10/15/09 10:34:22 ANY QUESTIONS?
10/15/09 10:34:25 >> THANK YOU,
10/15/09 10:34:26 MISS BRICKHOUSE.
10/15/09 10:34:29 THE BOTTOM LINE ON THAT IS
10/15/09 10:34:30 IF
10/15/09 10:34:33 FOLKS ARE NOT
10/15/09 10:34:34 RECYCLING OR IN
10/15/09 10:34:35 THE COMMERCIAL SIDE DON'T HAVE
10/15/09 10:34:38 AN OPPORTUNITY TO
10/15/09 10:34:41 RECYCLE, THAT
10/15/09 10:34:43 NONFERROUS GETS INTO OUR WASTE
10/15/09 10:34:43 STREAM.
10/15/09 10:34:45 THIS WILL PUT IT OUT BEFORE IT
10/15/09 10:34:46 HITS THE FIRE.
10/15/09 10:34:49 >> THAT'S
10/15/09 10:34:51 CORRECT.
10/15/09 10:34:51 >> OKAY.
10/15/09 10:34:52 EFFICIENCY WISE, I KNOW YOU'RE
10/15/09 10:34:55 GOING TO GET INTO RECYCLING IN
10/15/09 10:34:57 A MINUTE, BUT EFFICIENCY WISE,
10/15/09 10:35:00 HOW DOES THAT RELATE?
10/15/09 10:35:03 HOW DOES ONE STACK UP AGAINST
10/15/09 10:35:03 THE OTHER?
10/15/09 10:35:06 WHAT IF YOU HAD A SYSTEM
10/15/09 10:35:09 WHERE
10/15/09 10:35:09 EVERYBODY RECYCLED.
10/15/09 10:35:10 100% SEPARATION BEFORE IT CAME
10/15/09 10:35:13 TO
10/15/09 10:35:15 THE CURB.
10/15/09 10:35:16 >> EITHER WITH THE PURE SYSTEM,
10/15/09 10:35:18 THERE ARE GOING TO BE SOME
10/15/09 10:35:20 THINGS THAT MIGHT GET THROUGH.
10/15/09 10:35:23 WHAT THIS SYSTEM DOES FOR US IS
10/15/09 10:35:25 SEPARATE THOSE THINGS AFTER
10/15/09 10:35:28 THAT WHOLE BURNING PROCESS
10/15/09 10:35:30 IN A
10/15/09 10:35:32 LAST EFFORT TO GET EVERYTHING
10/15/09 10:35:32 OUT.
10/15/09 10:35:33 EVEN WHEN YOU HAVE A PURE
10/15/09 10:35:35 SYSTEM, YOU'LL STILL HAVE SOME
10/15/09 10:35:36 THINGS THAT MIGHT GET MIXED
10/15/09 10:35:37 INTO THE GARBAGE.
10/15/09 10:35:39 EVEN WITH ALL THE EFFORTS THAT
10/15/09 10:35:39 WE HAVE.
10/15/09 10:35:41 I CAN'T WAIT TO SHARE THOSE
10/15/09 10:35:41 WITH YOU.
10/15/09 10:35:44 I KNOW WE'RE LIMITED ON TIME.
10/15/09 10:35:44 >> OKAY.
10/15/09 10:35:45 GO AHEAD.
10/15/09 10:35:46 THANK YOU.
10/15/09 10:35:48 >> ANYTHING ELSE ON NONFERROUS?
10/15/09 10:35:51 >> I JUST WANTED TO STAY THAT
10/15/09 10:35:54 THIS SEEMS LIKE AN ADDITIONAL
10/15/09 10:35:55 REVENUE STREAM, ADDITIONAL
10/15/09 10:35:56 CAPTURING OF MATERIALS.
10/15/09 10:35:58 IT SEEMS LIKE A WIN-WIN.
10/15/09 10:36:00 SO THIS IS EXACTLY THE
10/15/09 10:36:02 DIRECTION WE WANT TO GO IN.
10/15/09 10:36:05 THANK YOU FOR THE INITIATIVE.
10/15/09 10:36:05 >> ABSOLUTELY.
10/15/09 10:36:08 IN FACT, THE REVENUE GENERATED
10/15/09 10:36:09 AND COST AVOIDANCE.
10/15/09 10:36:11 IT WORKS ALL THE WAY ACROSS.
10/15/09 10:36:13 THE NEXT THING I WANT TO TURN
10/15/09 10:36:16 YOUR ATTENTION TO IS I'M NOT
10/15/09 10:36:17 GOING TO GO THROUGH EVERYTHING
10/15/09 10:36:20 ON THIS SHEET, BUT
10/15/09 10:36:21 I WANTED TO
10/15/09 10:36:24 CAPTURE THE EFFORTS IN TERMS OF
10/15/09 10:36:25 RECYCLING AND EDUCATION.
10/15/09 10:36:28 SO I HAVE CATEGORIZED WHAT WE
10/15/09 10:36:28 HAVE BEEN DOING.
10/15/09 10:36:30 I WANT TO GIVE YOU SOME IMPACT.
10/15/09 10:36:33 ONE OF THE THINGS I WAS
10/15/09 10:36:34 LOOKING
10/15/09 10:36:37 AT AT OUR NUMBERS IN TERMS OF
10/15/09 10:36:40 THE CURB SIDE
10/15/09 10:36:40 RECYCLING
10/15/09 10:36:40 PROGRAM.
10/15/09 10:36:43 WE HAVE DONE A LOT OF
10/15/09 10:36:46 THINGS.
10/15/09 10:36:48 WHAT'S THE IMPACT?
10/15/09 10:36:50 LOOKING AT WHERE WE WERE LAST
10/15/09 10:36:52 YEAR AND WHERE WE ARE NOW, WE
10/15/09 10:36:55 HAVE SEEN APPROXIMATELY
10/15/09 10:36:57 A 360
10/15/09 10:37:00 TON INCREASE JUST IN THE CURB
10/15/09 10:37:03 SIDE RECYCLING PROGRAM IN
10/15/09 10:37:04 TERMS
10/15/09 10:37:05 OF PARTICIPATION AND WHAT WE
10/15/09 10:37:06 COLLECT AND ARE DIVERTED FROM
10/15/09 10:37:08 THE WASTE STREAM.
10/15/09 10:37:11 WE HAVE ALSO GOTTEN
10/15/09 10:37:11 AN
10/15/09 10:37:11 INCREASE.
10/15/09 10:37:13 IT'S NOT QUITE DOUBLED, BUT
10/15/09 10:37:14 IT'S GETTING CLOSE TO IN TERMS
10/15/09 10:37:17 OF REQUESTS FOR CURB
10/15/09 10:37:20 SIDE
10/15/09 10:37:21 RECYCLING.
10/15/09 10:37:24 THE INQUIRIES AND
10/15/09 10:37:24 THE INCREASE
10/15/09 10:37:26 IN REQUESTS FOR COMMERCIAL
10/15/09 10:37:27 RECYCLING, ALL OF THOSE THINGS
10/15/09 10:37:30 ARE GOING IN A GOOD DIRECTION.
10/15/09 10:37:32 FROM A PUBLIC EDUCATION
10/15/09 10:37:34 PERSPECTIVE, SOME PEOPLE ARE
10/15/09 10:37:37 GETTING IT AND HEARING IT AND
10/15/09 10:37:38 THEN THE CHALLENGE BECOMES HOW
10/15/09 10:37:40 DO WE MEET THIS DEMAND BECAUSE
10/15/09 10:37:42 WE HAVE A NEW APPETITE.
10/15/09 10:37:44 HOW DO WE MEET THE DEMAND?
10/15/09 10:37:45 WE ARE DOING A NUMBER OF THINGS
10/15/09 10:37:48 AS IT RELATES
10/15/09 10:37:50 TO TRYING TO
10/15/09 10:37:50 COMMUNICATE WITH CUSTOMERS AND
10/15/09 10:37:51 TRYING TO GROW THE RECYCLING
10/15/09 10:37:53 PROGRAM BOTH ON THE RESIDENTIAL
10/15/09 10:37:55 SIDE AND ON THE COMMERCIAL
10/15/09 10:37:55 SIDE.
10/15/09 10:37:57 JUST A COUPLE THINGS.
10/15/09 10:37:59 I'M GOING TO PUT A PLUG IN NOW
10/15/09 10:38:02 FOR OUR NEXT
10/15/09 10:38:03 HOUSEHOLD CHEMICAL
10/15/09 10:38:06 COLLECTION IS SCHEDULED FOR
10/15/09 10:38:07 OCTOBER 24th.
10/15/09 10:38:10 THE PRESS RELEASE HAS
10/15/09 10:38:16 GONE OUT.
10/15/09 10:38:25 WE'LL SEE HOW THIS
10/15/09 10:38:25 GOES.
10/15/09 10:38:27 BUT A LOT OF GOOD INFORMATION
10/15/09 10:38:28 FLOWING AND THE CITIZENS ARE
10/15/09 10:38:30 RESPONDING AND TAKING ADVANTAGE
10/15/09 10:38:32 OF THIS OPPORTUNITY.
10/15/09 10:38:35 THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO
10/15/09 10:38:38 HIGHLIGHT IS THE PUBLIC AND IN
10/15/09 10:38:41 SCHOOL EDUCATION EFFORTS THAT
10/15/09 10:38:41 WE HAVE.
10/15/09 10:38:43 A WHOLE SEGMENT ON THE WEBSITE
10/15/09 10:38:45 JUST DEALING WITH TEACHER
10/15/09 10:38:46 RESOURCES TO EXPAND ON WHAT
10/15/09 10:38:49 WE'RE DOING IN TERMS OF PUBLIC
10/15/09 10:38:50 AND IN SCHOOL EDUCATION.
10/15/09 10:38:52 WE HAVE PARTNERSHIPS WITH
10/15/09 10:38:55 TEACHING TOOLS AND WE ALSO HAVE
10/15/09 10:38:58 RECENTLY STARTED A PARTNERSHIP
10/15/09 10:38:59 WITH THE EDUCATION FOUNDATION
10/15/09 10:39:02 LOOKING AT WAYS THAT WE CAN
10/15/09 10:39:05 TAKE
10/15/09 10:39:07 RECYCLED MATERIAL AND
10/15/09 10:39:09 THINGS THAT THE SCHOOLS CAN USE
10/15/09 10:39:11 TO DIVERT IT TO THEM IN AN
10/15/09 10:39:13 ORGANIZED FASHION TO MAKE SURE
10/15/09 10:39:15 THAT WE DON'T CLOG THEM UP AND
10/15/09 10:39:16 WE DON'T MISS AN OPPORTUNITY TO
10/15/09 10:39:19 USE THOSE THINGS TO HELP WITH
10/15/09 10:39:21 THE SCHOOL SYSTEM.
10/15/09 10:39:22 YOU ALL HAVE IN YOUR BAG
10/15/09 10:39:25 INFORMATION IN TERMS OF
10/15/09 10:39:28 BROCHURES THAT WE USE ON
10/15/09 10:39:30 THE
10/15/09 10:39:30 RECYCLING.
10/15/09 10:39:32 YOU HAVE IN THERE SOME OF THE
10/15/09 10:39:34 THINGS WE USE AT EVENTS LIKE
10/15/09 10:39:37 THE COLORING BOOKS AND PENCILS
10/15/09 10:39:37 AND RULERS.
10/15/09 10:39:38 EVERYTHING IN THAT BAG
10/15/09 10:39:41 INCLUDING THE BAG ARE MADE FROM
10/15/09 10:39:41 RECYCLED MATERIAL.
10/15/09 10:39:44 WE USE ALL OF THIS STUFF TO
10/15/09 10:39:44 EDUCATE.
10/15/09 10:39:46 WE ALSO HAVE IN THE BAG NOT
10/15/09 10:39:48 ONLY THE INFORMATION AS IT
10/15/09 10:39:49 RELATES TO WHAT THE CITY IS
10/15/09 10:39:51 DOING FOR RECYCLING, BUT ALSO
10/15/09 10:39:53 INFORMATION ON WHAT
10/15/09 10:39:55 HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY DOES SO WE
10/15/09 10:39:56 HAVE THE INFORMATION FOR OTHER
10/15/09 10:39:58 AREAS WITHIN THE REGION.
10/15/09 10:40:00 I ALSO WANTED TO TALK ABOUT
10/15/09 10:40:02 SOME OTHER KEY PARTNERSHIPS.
10/15/09 10:40:05 I THINK THIS ONE
10/15/09 10:40:08 IS CRITICAL.
10/15/09 10:40:08 NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS.
10/15/09 10:40:11 IN FACT, A MEETING WITH SHANNON
10/15/09 10:40:13 EDGE TOMORROW LOOKING AT WAYS
10/15/09 10:40:16 THAT WE CAN FLOW ALL THE
10/15/09 10:40:19 INFORMATION OUT THROUGH
10/15/09 10:40:20 NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS.
10/15/09 10:40:22 SO THE DISCUSSIONS ARE ONGOING
10/15/09 10:40:24 BETWEEN THE DEPARTMENTS AS TO
10/15/09 10:40:27 HOW WE CAN KEEP THE CITIZENS
10/15/09 10:40:29 INFORMED AND HOW WE CAN --
10/15/09 10:40:30 SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO PUT THE
10/15/09 10:40:33 WORD OUT THERE MORE THAN
10/15/09 10:40:34 ONE
10/15/09 10:40:34 TIME.
10/15/09 10:40:35 THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION
10/15/09 10:40:36 CHANNELS OF INFORMATION IS
10/15/09 10:40:38 CRITICAL TO GET ANY INFORMATION
10/15/09 10:40:39 OUT.
10/15/09 10:40:42 WE HAVE PARTNERSHIPS FOR USF
10/15/09 10:40:42 IN
10/15/09 10:40:45 TERMS OF DEVELOPING PROGRAMS TO
10/15/09 10:40:48 HELP WITH
10/15/09 10:40:51 RECYCLING AWARENESS.
10/15/09 10:41:00 THE I WANT TO UPDATE
10/15/09 10:41:01 YOU ON THE
10/15/09 10:41:01 GRANT.
10/15/09 10:41:04 WE HAD A GRANT AT HOW TO LOOK
10/15/09 10:41:05 AT DEALING WITH LOW
10/15/09 10:41:08 PARTICIPATION RATES AND IMPROVE
10/15/09 10:41:08 COMMERCIAL RECYCLING.
10/15/09 10:41:09 THE STUDY IS DONE.
10/15/09 10:41:11 THE RESULTS ARE IN.
10/15/09 10:41:14 I'M HAPPY TO REPORT ON NOVEMBER
10/15/09 10:41:16 1, WE WILL KICK OFF THE PILOT
10/15/09 10:41:19 BOTH FOR RESIDENTIAL AND ALSO
10/15/09 10:41:20 COMMERCIAL.
10/15/09 10:41:23 THE PILOTS WILL BE IN NORTH
10/15/09 10:41:26 SULFUR SPRINGS AND
10/15/09 10:41:27 BELMONT
10/15/09 10:41:27 HEIGHTS.
10/15/09 10:41:29 THEY WILL BE INCENTIVE BASED
10/15/09 10:41:30 AND ALSO PUBLIC EDUCATION
10/15/09 10:41:30 BASED.
10/15/09 10:41:32 THE OTHER THING THAT WE PUT IN,
10/15/09 10:41:34 WE PUT A TWIST BECAUSE WE'RE
10/15/09 10:41:36 TRYING TO MOVE TO WHERE WE GET
10/15/09 10:41:39 TO WHERE CURB-SIDE RECYCLING IS
10/15/09 10:41:39 CARDED.
10/15/09 10:41:41 PART OF THIS PILOT IS WE
10/15/09 10:41:44 SELECTED A SMALL NUMBER OF
10/15/09 10:41:46 HOMES AND WE'RE GOING TO CARD
10/15/09 10:41:49 THOSE TO SEE IF WHEN YOU
10/15/09 10:41:54 GIVE A
10/15/09 10:41:55 RESEPTEMBER CALL THAT WE'LL
10/15/09 10:41:58 REQUEST MORE AND DECREASE THE
10/15/09 10:42:01 AMOUNT GOING IN THE GARBAGE
10/15/09 10:42:01 CART.
10/15/09 10:42:04 SO BOTTOM LINE IS, I JUST
10/15/09 10:42:07 WANTED TO EMPHASIZE THOSE
10/15/09 10:42:08 THINGS.
10/15/09 10:42:10 THE LAST THING WAS BECAUSE WE
10/15/09 10:42:12 HAVE HAD SUCH A DEMAND, WE HAVE
10/15/09 10:42:14 HAVING TO USE OTHER EQUIPMENT.
10/15/09 10:42:16 NOT JUST RECYCLING EQUIPMENT TO
10/15/09 10:42:19 DO RECYCLING ROUTES.
10/15/09 10:42:22 SIMPLE D.O.T.
10/15/09 10:42:25 SIGNS, MODIFY IT AND
10/15/09 10:42:27 DO
10/15/09 10:42:27 THINGS.
10/15/09 10:42:28 WE HAVE ALREADY GOT THE BID
10/15/09 10:42:28 DONE.
10/15/09 10:42:31 WE ARE GETTING READY TO GET
10/15/09 10:42:33 THESE PUT ON TRUCKS.
10/15/09 10:42:36 WHEN IT'S GARBAGE,
10/15/09 10:42:37 IT'S
10/15/09 10:42:37 GARBAGE.
10/15/09 10:42:38 THERE'S A LOT GOING ON.
10/15/09 10:42:41 >> SHOW IT ON
10/15/09 10:42:44 THE CAMERA.
10/15/09 10:42:47 >> DO YOU BUY THAT SIGN OR
10/15/09 10:42:49 BORROW IT?
10/15/09 10:42:50 >> THAT'S BEAUTIFUL.
10/15/09 10:42:52 >> THE OTHER GOOD THING ABOUT
10/15/09 10:42:54 THIS IS WHEN A TRUCK IS OUT OF
10/15/09 10:42:57 SERVICE, WE CAN TAKE THIS OFF.
10/15/09 10:43:00 WHERE YOU PUT
10/15/09 10:43:01 THE LOGOS ON, YOU
10/15/09 10:43:03 PUT THAT COST INTO THE VEHICLE.
10/15/09 10:43:05 NOW WE CAN CONTINUE TO USE THIS
10/15/09 10:43:05 STUFF.
10/15/09 10:43:06 A LOT GOING ON.
10/15/09 10:43:09 I KNOW I TRIED TO CRAM A LOT IN
10/15/09 10:43:11 THAT SHORT PERIOD OF TIME.
10/15/09 10:43:12 >> THIS IS GREAT.
10/15/09 10:43:14 YOU'RE DOING A NUMBER OF
10/15/09 10:43:15 WONDERFUL THINGS.
10/15/09 10:43:18 AND YOU PRINTED
10/15/09 10:43:20 DOUBLE SIDED.
10/15/09 10:43:20 TWO QUESTIONS.
10/15/09 10:43:23 DO SCHOOLS AND PARKS AND
10/15/09 10:43:24 RECREATION HAVE PLACES FOR
10/15/09 10:43:26 PEOPLE TO PUT PLASTIC BOTTLES
10/15/09 10:43:29 AND DO WE PICK UP
10/15/09 10:43:29 FROM THEM?
10/15/09 10:43:31 >> YES TO SCHOOLS.
10/15/09 10:43:35 IN FACT, WE HAVE A PROGRAM
10/15/09 10:43:38 WHERE
10/15/09 10:43:41 SCHOOLS
10/15/09 10:43:43 GET THAT.
10/15/09 10:43:46 WE HAVE PROGRAMS THAT WE'RE
10/15/09 10:43:47 DOING RECYCLING.
10/15/09 10:43:48 THE SECOND QUESTION IN TERMS OF
10/15/09 10:43:51 PARKS AND RECREATION, WE HAVE
10/15/09 10:43:53 GOT TO DO --ONE OF THE THINGS
10/15/09 10:43:55 WITH THE COMMERCIAL RECYCLING
10/15/09 10:43:57 IS LOOKING AT HOW WE DO A
10/15/09 10:44:00 BETTER JOB WITH RECYCLING IN
10/15/09 10:44:01 CITY DEPARTMENTS.
10/15/09 10:44:03 SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE
10/15/09 10:44:03 LOOKING AT.
10/15/09 10:44:04 I FAILED TO MENTION THAT.
10/15/09 10:44:06 BUT THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE
10/15/09 10:44:06 LOOKING AT.
10/15/09 10:44:09 PARKS AND RECREATION, I'LL HAVE
10/15/09 10:44:11 TO GET WITH KAREN PALUS AND
10/15/09 10:44:14 DETERMINE WHERE WE START AND
10/15/09 10:44:17 HOW WE STRATEGYICALLY TRY
10/15/09 10:44:17 TO
10/15/09 10:44:18 IMPLEMENT BETTER PROGRAMS.
10/15/09 10:44:21 >> WOULD THREE MONTHS BE A GOOD
10/15/09 10:44:23 TIME TO REPORT BACK?
10/15/09 10:44:25 >> WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO, IF
10/15/09 10:44:26 I COULD COME BACK AFTER WE'RE
10/15/09 10:44:29 DONE WITH THE
10/15/09 10:44:31 PILOT, SO
10/15/09 10:44:32 FEBRUARY TIME FRAME WOULD BE
10/15/09 10:44:32 BETTER.
10/15/09 10:44:33 THEN I CAN REPORT ON THE
10/15/09 10:44:36 RESULTS FROM THE PILOT AND WHAT
10/15/09 10:44:37 OTHER THINGS WE PUT IN PLACE.
10/15/09 10:44:40 >> THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
10/15/09 10:44:43 >> JUST A
10/15/09 10:44:44 COUPLE QUESTIONS.
10/15/09 10:44:46 THE 2008 YEAR WAS A GREEN YEAR.
10/15/09 10:44:49 I THINK WE'RE GETTING A BIG
10/15/09 10:44:51 BOUNCE OFF OF THAT IN TERMS OF
10/15/09 10:44:52 THE NUMBERS.
10/15/09 10:44:54 YOU MENTIONED A 360-ON TO
10/15/09 10:44:57 INCREASE ON CURB SIDE.
10/15/09 10:44:58 OUT OF WHAT?
10/15/09 10:45:01 IS THAT LIKE A 10% INCREASE OR
10/15/09 10:45:02 30% INCREASE?
10/15/09 10:45:04 >> PROBABLY 10%.
10/15/09 10:45:06 LET ME GET BACK AND GIVE YOU
10/15/09 10:45:08 THE ACTUAL NUMBERS ON THAT.
10/15/09 10:45:08 >> OKAY.
10/15/09 10:45:11 THE COMMON REQUEST I GET AND
10/15/09 10:45:12 I
10/15/09 10:45:13 USUALLY PASS IT ON TO YOU AND I
10/15/09 10:45:16 KNOW YOU WORKED WITH FOLKS
10/15/09 10:45:17 IS
10/15/09 10:45:20 CONDOMINIUMS AND
10/15/09 10:45:23 BIG HIGH-RISES.
10/15/09 10:45:25 THEY WANT RECYCLING AND IT'S
10/15/09 10:45:28 NOT REAL EASY FOR THEM.
10/15/09 10:45:29 WHAT KIND OF PROGRESS ARE WE
10/15/09 10:45:30 MAKING ON THAT?
10/15/09 10:45:32 >> THE TWO THINGS THAT I WANT
10/15/09 10:45:35 TO SHARE ON THAT, FIRST OF ALL,
10/15/09 10:45:37 LET ME BACK UP.
10/15/09 10:45:40 IN TERMS OF TRYING TO
10/15/09 10:45:41 EXPAND
10/15/09 10:45:44 SOME NEIGHBORHOOD DROPOFF
10/15/09 10:45:46 CENTERS FOR RECYCLING, WE'RE
10/15/09 10:45:47 LOOKING AT THAT.
10/15/09 10:45:49 FOR EXAMPLE, WE'RE USING THE
10/15/09 10:45:50 MANHATTAN BRUSH SITE.
10/15/09 10:45:53 WE CAN MODIFY SOME OF OUR
10/15/09 10:45:55 EXISTING CONTAINERS SO WE CAN
10/15/09 10:45:58 REPLICATE WHAT YOU HAVE
10/15/09 10:46:00 AT USF.
10/15/09 10:46:03 WE DON'T WANT IT TO BE A PLACE
10/15/09 10:46:06 FOR PEOPLE TO DROP STUFF AND
10/15/09 10:46:06 IT
10/15/09 10:46:08 BECOMES AN EYESORE.
10/15/09 10:46:10 BUT LOCATIONS TO SEE IF THERE'S
10/15/09 10:46:12 AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE
10/15/09 10:46:13 RECYCLING CENTERS AT SOME OF
10/15/09 10:46:14 THESE LOCATIONS.
10/15/09 10:46:16 WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT.
10/15/09 10:46:17 THE SECOND ISSUE AND THE
10/15/09 10:46:19 BIGGEST CHALLENGE WE HAVE IS
10/15/09 10:46:21 THE MULTIFAMILY LIKE THE CONDOS
10/15/09 10:46:23 AND THOSE THINGS.
10/15/09 10:46:26 HE'S WHAT WE'RE
10/15/09 10:46:26 FACING.
10/15/09 10:46:29 WHEN THEY DEVELOP
10/15/09 10:46:30 THOSE
10/15/09 10:46:32 COMMUNITIES, THE GARBAGE WAS
10/15/09 10:46:35 PLANNED, BUT THE RECYCLING
10/15/09 10:46:35 WASN'T.
10/15/09 10:46:37 WHAT WE FIND IS WHEN WE GO IN
10/15/09 10:46:38 AND DIALOGUE WITH THE MANAGERS
10/15/09 10:46:41 OF PROPERTY OWNERS OR THE
10/15/09 10:46:43 ASSOCIATIONS, WE HAVE A SPACE
10/15/09 10:46:46 ISSUE IN TERMS OF HOW WILL WE
10/15/09 10:46:46 ACCOMMODATE THAT.
10/15/09 10:46:47 THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE
10/15/09 10:46:50 TO DO MORE WORK ON TRYING TO
10/15/09 10:46:52 FIGURE OUT HOW TO ADDRESS THE
10/15/09 10:46:52 ISSUES.
10/15/09 10:46:53 FIRST IDENTIFY THE THE ISSUES
10/15/09 10:46:55 AND FIGURE OUT HOW TO ADDRESS
10/15/09 10:46:56 THEM.
10/15/09 10:46:57 I LIVE IN A MULTIFAMILY.
10/15/09 10:47:00 I KNOW
10/15/09 10:47:03 EXACTLY WHAT THE ISSUE
10/15/09 10:47:03 IS.
10/15/09 10:47:05 WE HAVE IT THERE BECAUSE I
10/15/09 10:47:06 TALKED TO MY PROPERTY MANAGER.
10/15/09 10:47:09 BUT THE REALITY IS THERE'S NOT
10/15/09 10:47:09 ENOUGH SPACE.
10/15/09 10:47:10 IT DOESN'T ACCOMMODATE THE
10/15/09 10:47:11 RESIDENTS THAT LIVE THERE.
10/15/09 10:47:14 WE HAVE MORE WORK TO DO IN
10/15/09 10:47:15 THAT
10/15/09 10:47:15 AREA.
10/15/09 10:47:17 >> I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
10/15/09 10:47:19 IF THERE'S A TIGHT BUILDING AND
10/15/09 10:47:22 ONLY HAVE A SPACE FOR
10/15/09 10:47:22 ONE
10/15/09 10:47:23 DUMPSTER.
10/15/09 10:47:24 BUT LET'S SAY IF SOMEONE HAD
10/15/09 10:47:27 SPACE FOR AN EXTRA DUMPSTER,
10/15/09 10:47:30 COULD WE GIVE THEM A
10/15/09 10:47:30 RECYCLING
10/15/09 10:47:32 DUMPSTER THAT'S JUST RECYCLING
10/15/09 10:47:34 FOR THAT PURPOSE?
10/15/09 10:47:37 THEN YOU COULD GIVE THEM THE
10/15/09 10:47:37 BLUE BINS.
10/15/09 10:47:39 >> WE HAVE COMMERCIAL RECYCLING
10/15/09 10:47:42 DUMPSTERS ALL OVER
10/15/09 10:47:43 THE CITY.
10/15/09 10:47:44 YES, WE COULD DO THAT.
10/15/09 10:47:46 BUT THE CHALLENGE BECOMES THE
10/15/09 10:47:46 SPACE.
10/15/09 10:47:49 THAT'S WHY WE'RE --WE HAVE
10/15/09 10:47:52 APPLIED FOR
10/15/09 10:47:55 A GRANT JUST TO
10/15/09 10:47:57 FOCUS ON MULTIFAMILY RECYCLING
10/15/09 10:47:57 TOO.
10/15/09 10:47:59 WE'RE ALSO LOOKING FOR OTHER
10/15/09 10:48:02 FUNDING STRINGS TO HELP US WITH
10/15/09 10:48:03 THAT EFFORT.
10/15/09 10:48:04 >> THANK YOU.
10/15/09 10:48:07 >> GOOD
10/15/09 10:48:07 JOB.
10/15/09 10:48:07 THANK YOU.
10/15/09 10:48:09 >> THANK YOU.
10/15/09 10:48:12 >>>
10/15/09 10:48:14 ITEM 88.
10/15/09 10:48:16 LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
10/15/09 10:48:19 THE STATE APPROVAL IS NOT GOING
10/15/09 10:48:20 TO HAPPEN?
10/15/09 10:48:23 >> CHIP FLETCHER.
10/15/09 10:48:26 BEFORE WE DO ITEM
10/15/09 10:48:28 88, I
10/15/09 10:48:31 SUBMITTED A MEMO ON ITEM 86 ON
10/15/09 10:48:34 THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT
10/15/09 10:48:34 ORDINANCE.
10/15/09 10:48:37 WE HAVE BEEN ASKED TO GO BACK
10/15/09 10:48:40 AND LOOK AT PUTTING AN OUTSIDE
10/15/09 10:48:43 FACILITY
10/15/09 10:48:45 TO EXTEND EMERGENCY
10/15/09 10:48:46 CONDITIONS IN CERTAIN PERIODS.
10/15/09 10:48:48 WE HAVE A DRAFT HERE FOR
10/15/09 10:48:49 COUNCIL TO REVIEW.
10/15/09 10:48:51 IF YOU WANT TO DISCUSS IT
10/15/09 10:48:51 TODAY, THAT'S FINE.
10/15/09 10:48:53 OR IF YOU WANT TO REVIEW IT AND
10/15/09 10:48:55 GET BACK TO ME, THAT'S FINE.
10/15/09 10:48:57 I REVIEWED IT WITH THE MAYOR
10/15/09 10:49:00 AND CHIEF AND WE BELIEVE IT'S
10/15/09 10:49:03 AN
10/15/09 10:49:06 APPROPRIATE APPROACH.
10/15/09 10:49:27 >> WE THINK
10/15/09 10:49:30 IT'S UNLIKELY THOSE
10/15/09 10:49:32 CONDITIONS WOULD OCCUR.
10/15/09 10:49:34 THAT WOULD ALLOW A FRAME WORK
10/15/09 10:49:35 FOR COUNCIL TO HAVE CONTROL
10/15/09 10:49:37 OVER WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S A
10/15/09 10:49:38 CONTINUED STATE OF EMERGENCY
10/15/09 10:49:41 AFTER 30 DAYS.
10/15/09 10:49:43 >> I BELIEVE THEY RAISED THAT.
10/15/09 10:49:45 >> I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.
10/15/09 10:49:47 I THINK THAT'S A GOOD
10/15/09 10:49:49 RESOLUTION TO HAVE A BALANCE OF
10/15/09 10:49:49 POWER.
10/15/09 10:49:51 IF YOU WANT TO PUT THAT IN, I'M
10/15/09 10:49:53 COMFORTABLE WITH IT.
10/15/09 10:49:55 >> ALSO THERE'S A CORRECTION TO
10/15/09 10:49:58 AN OLD ERROR IN THE ORDINANCE
10/15/09 10:50:01 MANY VERSIONS AGO THAT WE
10/15/09 10:50:02 ARE
10/15/09 10:50:02 CORRECTING TOO.
10/15/09 10:50:05 >> THAT WILL COME BACK ON
10/15/09 10:50:05 FIRST
10/15/09 10:50:06 READING?
10/15/09 10:50:08 >> IF THAT'S COUNCILS
10/15/09 10:50:08 DIRECTION.
10/15/09 10:50:11 >> SO
10/15/09 10:50:14 MOVE.
10/15/09 10:50:17 >> SECOND.
10/15/09 10:50:20 >> ALL IN
10/15/09 10:50:22 FAVOR.
10/15/09 10:50:22 >> AYE.
10/15/09 10:50:25 >> ON
10/15/09 10:50:28 ITEM 88, WE HAVE GONE AND
10/15/09 10:50:28 LOOKED AT SOME RECENT
10/15/09 10:50:29 LITIGATION ON THAT ISSUE.
10/15/09 10:50:31 IT DOES APPEAR WE'D HAVE TO GO
10/15/09 10:50:33 THROUGH THE FISH AND WILDLIFE
10/15/09 10:50:36 COMMISSION APPROVAL PROCESS.
10/15/09 10:50:38 I BELIEVE THE MARINE PATROL
10/15/09 10:50:40 BRIEFED YOU ON LAST TIME.
10/15/09 10:50:42 I HAD BEEN HOPEFUL THAT BASED
10/15/09 10:50:43 ON RECENT LITIGATION WE WOULD
10/15/09 10:50:46 FIND A WAY TO AVOID GOING
10/15/09 10:50:48 THROUGH THAT PROCESS AND BE
10/15/09 10:50:51 ABLE TO ISSUE THOSE
10/15/09 10:50:52 LIMITATIONS.
10/15/09 10:50:55 THAT AND A
10/15/09 10:50:55 RECENT STATUTE
10/15/09 10:50:57 CHANGE THAT ALSO LIMITS THEM.
10/15/09 10:51:00 WE WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH
10/15/09 10:51:02 THAT WILDLIFE COMMISSION
10/15/09 10:51:02 PROCESS.
10/15/09 10:51:04 AS I THINK WAS BRIEFED LAST
10/15/09 10:51:06 TIME, THE COMMUNICATION BETWEEN
10/15/09 10:51:07 MARINE CONTROL AND THE CURRENT
10/15/09 10:51:10 STAFF AT THE WILDLIFE
10/15/09 10:51:11 COMMISSION IS THERE NOT
10/15/09 10:51:12 RECEPTIVE TO HAVE A NO WAKE
10/15/09 10:51:15 ZONE IN THAT
10/15/09 10:51:16 AREA.
10/15/09 10:51:17 >> SOMETIMES PROVIDENCE WEIGHS
10/15/09 10:51:19 IN AND IT TURNS OUT THAT THE
10/15/09 10:51:21 SECOND A CIVIL WAR BOAT WRECK
10/15/09 10:51:22 THAT WAS DISCOVERED IS IN THE
10/15/09 10:51:24 AREA WHERE I WAS INTERESTED IN
10/15/09 10:51:27 SLOWING THINGS DOWN, I GOT A
10/15/09 10:51:29 CALL FROM PATROL SAYING THAT'S
10/15/09 10:51:32 REGULATED BY THE STATE
10/15/09 10:51:33 ARCHAEOLOGY PEOPLE AND THEY
10/15/09 10:51:35 MIGHT END UP SLOWING THINGS
10/15/09 10:51:36 DOWN BECAUSE OF KEEPING THE
10/15/09 10:51:38 AREA SAFE FOR THE DIVERS TO
10/15/09 10:51:39 LOOK AT THE WRECK.
10/15/09 10:51:42 THERE MIGHT BE A COMPLETELY
10/15/09 10:51:45 UNANTICIPATED WAY TO SKIN THIS
10/15/09 10:51:45 CAT.
10/15/09 10:51:47 WHAT WE HAD LAST SATURDAY WAS
10/15/09 10:51:48 SOMETHING CALLED A CANOE IN.
10/15/09 10:51:51 IT WAS AN
10/15/09 10:51:54 AWARENESS BETWEEN
10/15/09 10:51:54 THE
10/15/09 10:51:55 MARINE PATROL AND PEOPLE WHO
10/15/09 10:51:56 KAYAK ON THE RIVER TO GET THE
10/15/09 10:51:58 POLICE PHONE NUMBER SO THEY
10/15/09 10:52:00 WOULD BE ABLE TO CREATE A
10/15/09 10:52:03 BETTER RECORD ON
10/15/09 10:52:04 ISSUES ON THE
10/15/09 10:52:04 RIVER.
10/15/09 10:52:07 WE NOW HAVE AN IMPROVED
10/15/09 10:52:08 COMMUNICATIONS LIST OF PEOPLE
10/15/09 10:52:11 WHO ARE INTERESTED IN THE
10/15/09 10:52:11 SAFETY ISSUES.
10/15/09 10:52:14 IT WAS
10/15/09 10:52:17 WELL ATTENDED.
10/15/09 10:52:19 I WILL BE HAPPY TO WORK WITH
10/15/09 10:52:22 YOU AS WE
10/15/09 10:52:24 PURSUE THE WRECK
10/15/09 10:52:26 OPPORTUNITY TO SLOW THINGS DOWN
10/15/09 10:52:27 BECAUSE OUR COLLEGE STUDENTS
10/15/09 10:52:29 ARE GOING TO BEGIN TO COME IN
10/15/09 10:52:29 DECEMBER AND JANUARY.
10/15/09 10:52:31 WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THEY
10/15/09 10:52:33 CONTINUE TO BE SAFE.
10/15/09 10:52:33 THANK YOU.
10/15/09 10:52:36 >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10/15/09 10:52:39 >>> WE TOOK CARE OF
10/15/09 10:52:45 ITEM 88-92 ;
10/15/09 10:52:45 RIGHT?
10/15/09 10:52:48 WE ARE ON
10/15/09 10:52:49 ITEM 94.
10/15/09 10:52:52 >> THANK
10/15/09 10:52:52 YOU.
10/15/09 10:52:53 GOOD MORNING.
10/15/09 10:52:53 KATHRINE COLE.
10/15/09 10:52:55 WE READ YOU THE MOTION.
10/15/09 10:52:57 THE BASIC REPORT BACK IS THE
10/15/09 10:52:58 RULES FOR THE PARKING LOTS
10/15/09 10:53:00 THROUGHOUT THE CITY ARE
10/15/09 10:53:01 BASICALLY THE SAME WITH THE
10/15/09 10:53:03 EXCEPTION OF THE CHANGES YOU
10/15/09 10:53:06 MADE RECENTLY IN YBOR
10/15/09 10:53:08 LAST YEAR
10/15/09 10:53:09 FOR THE INTERRUM LAWS.
10/15/09 10:53:10 I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF
10/15/09 10:53:13 YOU WERE LOOKING FOR AN
10/15/09 10:53:16 INVENTORY OR SOME TYPE OF
10/15/09 10:53:18 REPORT BACK OF WHERE THEY ARE.
10/15/09 10:53:20 I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT
10/15/09 10:53:21 WHERE THE MOTION CAME FROM.
10/15/09 10:53:24 >> COULD I CLARIFY
10/15/09 10:53:25 THAT?
10/15/09 10:53:25 >> YES.
10/15/09 10:53:28 >> IT WASN'T ON WHERE THE
10/15/09 10:53:30 LOTS
10/15/09 10:53:31 WERE.
10/15/09 10:53:33 IN OUR EFFORTS TO REVITALIZE
10/15/09 10:53:36 OUR DOWNTOWN, IT SEEMS THAT
10/15/09 10:53:37 HAVING A DIRT SURFACE LOT IS
10/15/09 10:53:40 NOT THE DIRECTION WE WANT TO BE
10/15/09 10:53:41 MOVING.
10/15/09 10:53:43 IN YBOR WE HAVE ENACTED HIGHER
10/15/09 10:53:45 STANDARDS WHICH ARE GOING TO BE
10/15/09 10:53:46 IMPLEMENTED IN TERMS IF IT'S A
10/15/09 10:53:49 PARKING LOT, YOU NEED TO DO
10/15/09 10:53:52 SOMETHING TO MAKE IT MORE
10/15/09 10:53:52 APPEALING.
10/15/09 10:53:53 IT ISN'T ABOUT THE LOCATION,
10/15/09 10:53:56 IT'S ABOUT WHAT OUR RULES ARE.
10/15/09 10:53:58 AND ARE WE IMPLEMENTING THEM OR
10/15/09 10:54:00 DO WE NOT HAVE ANY RULES IN
10/15/09 10:54:03 PERHAPS WE WANT TO
10/15/09 10:54:05 MIMIC
10/15/09 10:54:05 YBOR'S?
10/15/09 10:54:07 >> THE RULES ARE THE SAME
10/15/09 10:54:08 THROUGHOUT THE CITY REGARDLESS
10/15/09 10:54:10 IF THEY ARE DOWNTOWN OR ANOTHER
10/15/09 10:54:13 PART OF THE CITY.
10/15/09 10:54:16 , WITH THE EXCEPTION OF YBOR.
10/15/09 10:54:19 THEY HAVE
10/15/09 10:54:21 A LESSER STANDARD.
10/15/09 10:54:24 WHAT WE COULD DO,
10/15/09 10:54:24 IT ALSO SAID
10/15/09 10:54:27 IT WAS LOOKING AT
10/15/09 10:54:28 SPECIFIC
10/15/09 10:54:28 LOTS.
10/15/09 10:54:29 >> THERE WERE SOME SPECIFIC
10/15/09 10:54:31 QUESTIONS I HAD BECAUSE I
10/15/09 10:54:33 DIDN'T THINK THEY WERE
10/15/09 10:54:34 APPROPRIATELY ZONED.
10/15/09 10:54:35 >> PROBABLY THE BEST THING TO
10/15/09 10:54:38 DO WOULD BE TO GO OUT AND
10/15/09 10:54:41 CREATE THAT LIST OF WHERE
10/15/09 10:54:41 THOSE
10/15/09 10:54:43 LOTS ARE AND GET THAT
10/15/09 10:54:43 INVENTORY.
10/15/09 10:54:46 >> WHY IS THE
10/15/09 10:54:48 INVENTORY
10/15/09 10:54:48 NECESSARY?
10/15/09 10:54:49 >> WE DON'T KNOW WHICH ONES
10/15/09 10:54:50 HAVE BEEN PERMITTED.
10/15/09 10:54:53 I HAVE TO GO BACK AND RESEARCH
10/15/09 10:54:55 THE RECORDS AS FAR AS WHAT HAS
10/15/09 10:54:57 BEEN PERMITTED TO A CERTAIN
10/15/09 10:54:57 STANDARD.
10/15/09 10:54:59 I WOULD BE MORE COMFORTABLE TO
10/15/09 10:55:01 ACTUALLY GO BACK AND LOOK TO
10/15/09 10:55:04 FIND OUT WHAT HAS BEEN DONE
10/15/09 10:55:05 HISTORICALLY AND I NEED TO TAKE
10/15/09 10:55:08 THAT TO THE ADMINISTRATION TO
10/15/09 10:55:09 FIND OUT WHAT THE APPROPRIATE
10/15/09 10:55:11 ACTION WOULD BE.
10/15/09 10:55:14 GIVEN THE
10/15/09 10:55:17 ECONOMIC
10/15/09 10:55:18 CLIMATE, I
10/15/09 10:55:19 WOULD BE MORE COMFORTABLE.
10/15/09 10:55:22 >> WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT
10/15/09 10:55:22 OUR
10/15/09 10:55:23 URBAN DESIGN STANDARDS.
10/15/09 10:55:26 DO THIS WITH AN EYE
10/15/09 10:55:27 TOWARDS
10/15/09 10:55:30 WHAT
10/15/09 10:55:32 DO WE ASPIRE TO.
10/15/09 10:55:35 I THINK THE TIME FRAMES ARE
10/15/09 10:55:35 IMPORTANT.
10/15/09 10:55:37 THAT'S SOMETHING THAT MIGHT BE
10/15/09 10:55:39 DIFFERENT FOR DOWNTOWN THAN
10/15/09 10:55:39 OTHER AREAS.
10/15/09 10:55:42 YOU REALLY NEED TO THINK
10/15/09 10:55:43 ABOUT
10/15/09 10:55:43 THAT.
10/15/09 10:55:45 WE HAVE APPROVED CERTAIN HIGH-
10/15/09 10:55:48 RISES THAT MIGHT NOT BE BUILT
10/15/09 10:55:49 FOR MANY YEARS.
10/15/09 10:55:51 WHAT ARE OUR EXPECTATIONS IN
10/15/09 10:55:53 TERMS OF THE AESTHETICS OF THAT
10/15/09 10:55:55 PIECE OF PROPERTY.
10/15/09 10:55:57 >> I DO KNOW THAT WE ARE MOVING
10/15/09 10:55:59 FORWARD WITH DISCUSSIONS WITH
10/15/09 10:56:00 THE PARTNERSHIP AND THE REST OF
10/15/09 10:56:02 THE COMMUNITY TO FIGURE OUT A
10/15/09 10:56:05 NEW PLAN FOR DOWNTOWN AND
10/15/09 10:56:07 REVISING THE GRAPHICS.
10/15/09 10:56:08 MIKE CALLAHAN IS WORKING ON
10/15/09 10:56:08 THAT.
10/15/09 10:56:10 I'LL BE ASSISTING THEM IN THE
10/15/09 10:56:11 CODE PORTION OF IT.
10/15/09 10:56:13 WE CAN CERTAINLY LOOK AT THE
10/15/09 10:56:14 REGULATIONS IN THAT TIME FRAME
10/15/09 10:56:15 AS WELL.
10/15/09 10:56:16 >> SO YOU WOULD COME BACK TO US
10/15/09 10:56:19 IN THREE MONTHS OR SIX MONTHS?
10/15/09 10:56:21 >> I COULD GIVE A REPORT IN
10/15/09 10:56:21 FEBRUARY.
10/15/09 10:56:23 >> THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
10/15/09 10:56:25 >> I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THEY
10/15/09 10:56:27 APPEAR AND PROVIDE US A REPORT
10/15/09 10:56:30 ON THE DOWNTOWN PARKING LOTS IN
10/15/09 10:56:30 FEBRUARY.
10/15/09 10:56:32 >> I JUST WANTED TO MENTION
10/15/09 10:56:35 BESIDES THE AESTHETICS, ONE
10/15/09 10:56:38 THING ABOUT DIRT IS ITS
10/15/09 10:56:38 PERVIOUS.
10/15/09 10:56:40 IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT THEY
10/15/09 10:56:43 SHOULD LOOK INTO WAYS TO
10/15/09 10:56:43 BE
10/15/09 10:56:46 FINISHING THEM SUCH AS PAVING
10/15/09 10:56:49 THAT IT BE PERVIOUS AS WE NEED
10/15/09 10:56:50 ALL THE STORM WATER CAPTURE WE
10/15/09 10:56:51 CAN GET.
10/15/09 10:56:52 >> WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH
10/15/09 10:56:53 TRANSPORTATION AND STORM WATER
10/15/09 10:56:55 AND THE PARKS DEPARTMENT ON
10/15/09 10:56:56 DIFFERENT MATERIALS USED IN
10/15/09 10:56:58 PARKING LOTS TO ADD IN MORE
10/15/09 10:57:01 OPTIONS FOR PEOPLE TO CREATE
10/15/09 10:57:02 THAT PERVIOUS ATMOSPHERE.
10/15/09 10:57:03 >> GOOD.
10/15/09 10:57:04 MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN
10/15/09 10:57:07 LOOK AT OUR GREEN ORDINANCE
10/15/09 10:57:08 AND
10/15/09 10:57:10 ADD A REQUIREMENT.
10/15/09 10:57:13 THAT'S WHAT I WOULD MAKE IT
10/15/09 10:57:15 THAT IT BE PERVIOUS.
10/15/09 10:57:17 I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT WE DID.
10/15/09 10:57:20 WE DID ADD SOME OPTIONS,
10/15/09 10:57:20 BUT
10/15/09 10:57:21 UNLESS THERE'S SOME
10/15/09 10:57:24 REQUIREMENT, NO ONE IS
10/15/09 10:57:26 GOING TO
10/15/09 10:57:28 PRIVATELY BOTHER WITH THAT.
10/15/09 10:57:31 >> I'LL SECOND
10/15/09 10:57:37 THE MOTION.
10/15/09 10:57:39 >> THE STAINABILITY CONFERENCE
10/15/09 10:57:40 THAT THEY HAD THIS WEEKEND,
10/15/09 10:57:41 THERE WAS A CONCRETE
10/15/09 10:57:44 MANUFACTURER WHO SHOWED
10/15/09 10:57:45 HOW YOU
10/15/09 10:57:46 COULD POUR WATER THROUGH OUR
10/15/09 10:57:47 PRODUCT.
10/15/09 10:57:49 IT EXISTS IN OUR AREA.
10/15/09 10:57:50 I'LL GIVE YOU THE INFORMATION.
10/15/09 10:57:52 I WAS REALLY EXCITED ABOUT IT.
10/15/09 10:57:55 >> I PRESENTED AT THE
10/15/09 10:57:55 CONFERENCE.
10/15/09 10:57:57 >> MOVE TO SECOND.
10/15/09 10:57:59 ALL IN FAVOR.
10/15/09 10:57:59 AYE.
10/15/09 10:58:00 >> THANK YOU.
10/15/09 10:58:03 >> ITEM
10/15/09 10:58:06 95 IS A GOOD
10/15/09 10:58:07 NEWS ITEM.
10/15/09 10:58:10 THIS IS OUR
10/15/09 10:58:12 STAFF AND THE
10/15/09 10:58:12 MAYOR.
10/15/09 10:58:15 >> GOOD
10/15/09 10:58:16 MORNING.
10/15/09 10:58:16 JAMES BUCKNER.
10/15/09 10:58:19 THE ITEM BEFORE YOU THIS
10/15/09 10:58:21 MORNING PROPOSES AN INNER LOCAL
10/15/09 10:58:23 AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF
10/15/09 10:58:25 TAMPA AND HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY
10/15/09 10:58:25 GOVERNMENT.
10/15/09 10:58:27 THE AGREEMENT OPPOSES A
10/15/09 10:58:29 PARTNERSHIP UNDER WHICH WE
10/15/09 10:58:31 WOULD PROCUR, INSTALL, AND
10/15/09 10:58:34 OPERATE AN ENTERPRISE SOFTWARE
10/15/09 10:58:35 SOLUTION TO SUPPORT THE
10/15/09 10:58:36 BUSINESS FUNCTIONS OF THE CITY
10/15/09 10:58:37 AND THE COUNTY.
10/15/09 10:58:40 AS YOU KNOW,
10/15/09 10:58:41 THE CITY'S
10/15/09 10:58:42 COMPUTER SOFTWARE SYSTEMS ARE
10/15/09 10:58:44 QUITE OLD AND OUT OF DATE.
10/15/09 10:58:46 MANY ARE MORE THAN 30 YEARS
10/15/09 10:58:46 OLD.
10/15/09 10:58:48 THEY ARE VERY HARD TO USE.
10/15/09 10:58:51 THEY ARE VERY HARD TO MAINTAIN
10/15/09 10:58:52 AND CHANGE.
10/15/09 10:58:53 EVERY YEAR THEY COST US MORE
10/15/09 10:58:55 AND MORE DOLLARS TO CONTINUE TO
10/15/09 10:58:56 SUPPORT THEM.
10/15/09 10:58:59 THE WORST PART IS, THEY DON'T
10/15/09 10:59:01 REALLY PROVIDE US GOOD TIMELY
10/15/09 10:59:02 INFORMATION FOR OUR CITY
10/15/09 10:59:04 LEADERS TO MAKE THEIR DAY-TO-
10/15/09 10:59:06 DAY MANAGEMENT DECISIONS.
10/15/09 10:59:09 SO SOME TIME AGO, WE KICKED OFF
10/15/09 10:59:10 ON AN EFFORT IN THE CITY TO
10/15/09 10:59:13 LOOK AT PURCHASING A RESOURCE
10/15/09 10:59:16 PLANNING SOFTWARE SYSTEM
10/15/09 10:59:19 COMMONLY REFERRED TO AS AN
10/15/09 10:59:21 ERP.
10/15/09 10:59:22 IT'S A COLLECTION OF COMMERCIAL
10/15/09 10:59:24 SOFTWARE THAT IMPLEMENTS BEST
10/15/09 10:59:26 BUSINESS PRACTICES FROM BOTH
10/15/09 10:59:28 GOVERNMENT AND INDUSTRY AND
10/15/09 10:59:30 FORMULATES STANDARD BUSINESS
10/15/09 10:59:33 RULES THAT SUPPORT FUNCTIONS
10/15/09 10:59:36 WITHIN
10/15/09 10:59:37 YOUR ORGANIZATION.
10/15/09 10:59:39 TYPICALLY FUNCTIONS SUPPORTED
10/15/09 10:59:41 ARE PAYROLL, HUMAN RESOURCES,
10/15/09 10:59:42 AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
10/15/09 10:59:44 WHEN WE STARTED OUR EFFORT, WE
10/15/09 10:59:46 FOUND OUT THAT HILLSBOROUGH
10/15/09 10:59:49 COUNTY WAS SUFFERING WITH THE
10/15/09 10:59:50 SAME PROBLEMS THAT WE WERE, AND
10/15/09 10:59:51 THEY WERE ALSO BEGINNING A
10/15/09 10:59:53 PROJECT TO GO AND BUY AN ERP.
10/15/09 10:59:55 SO WE STARTED HAVING SOME
10/15/09 10:59:56 DISCUSSIONS WITH THEM, AND WE
10/15/09 10:59:58 FOUND OUT OVER THE LAST FEW
10/15/09 11:00:01 MONTHS THAT MANY OF THE THINGS
10/15/09 11:00:03 THAT WE DO IN THESE AREAS ARE
10/15/09 11:00:03 SIMILAR IN NATURE.
10/15/09 11:00:05 MANY OF THE BUSINESS RULES THAT
10/15/09 11:00:08 WE USE ARE PRETTY MUCH THE
10/15/09 11:00:08 SAME.
10/15/09 11:00:10 SO A PARTER INSHIP JUST SEEMED
10/15/09 11:00:12 TO BE THE NATURAL WAY TO GO.
10/15/09 11:00:15 WE THINK THE PARTNERSHIP WOULD
10/15/09 11:00:16 BRING SEVERAL GOOD BENEFITS TO
10/15/09 11:00:16 US.
10/15/09 11:00:19 FIRST OF ALL, WE WOULD GO WITH
10/15/09 11:00:22 A SINGLE CONTRACT AND A
10/15/09 11:00:23 SINGLE
10/15/09 11:00:26 SOFTWARE LICENSE, WHICH WOULD
10/15/09 11:00:29 SIMPLIFY THE ENVIRONMENT AND
10/15/09 11:00:29 THE CITY.
10/15/09 11:00:32 BECAUSE WE WOULD BE USING
10/15/09 11:00:33 ONE
10/15/09 11:00:34 SOFTWARE LICENSE, WE THINK WE
10/15/09 11:00:36 COULD SAVE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT
10/15/09 11:00:39 OF MONEY IN BOTH THE PROCURMENT
10/15/09 11:00:41 AND IMPLEMENTATION PHASE OF THE
10/15/09 11:00:42 PROJECT.
10/15/09 11:00:45 WE WOULD ALSO BY
10/15/09 11:00:47 USING THE SAME
10/15/09 11:00:49 RULES, WE WOULD COLLABORATE AND
10/15/09 11:00:51 BE ABLE TO IMPROVE THE BUSINESS
10/15/09 11:00:54 PROCESSES ON BOTH SIDES.
10/15/09 11:00:55 BECAUSE WE DO KEEP OUR SOFTWARE
10/15/09 11:00:58 FOR A LONG TIME, WE THINK THAT
10/15/09 11:01:01 HAVING ONE SOLUTION INSTEAD OF
10/15/09 11:01:02 TWO WOULD SAVE US MONEY OVER
10/15/09 11:01:05 THE NEXT 15 TO 20 YEARS IN THAT
10/15/09 11:01:06 SINGLE SOLUTION.
10/15/09 11:01:09 SO WHAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU IS
10/15/09 11:01:10 AN INNER LOCAL AGREEMENT THAT
10/15/09 11:01:13 WE THINK IS A GOOD DOCUMENT
10/15/09 11:01:14 THAT DEFINES THE
10/15/09 11:01:16 RESPONSIBILITIES OF BOTH
10/15/09 11:01:16 PARTIES.
10/15/09 11:01:18 IT SETS UP A GOVERNMENT
10/15/09 11:01:19 STRUCTURE THAT WOULD MAKE SURE
10/15/09 11:01:21 WE STAY ON TRACK THROUGH THE
10/15/09 11:01:24 PROJECT AND MINIMIZE THE RISKS
10/15/09 11:01:26 ASSOCIATED WITH THE PROJECT.
10/15/09 11:01:27 IT ALLOCATES THE COSTS
10/15/09 11:01:29 APPROPRIATELY ACROSS CITY AND
10/15/09 11:01:31 COUNTY, AND IT EVEN INCLUDES A
10/15/09 11:01:33 TERMINATION CAUSE IN CASE WE
10/15/09 11:01:35 HAD TO STOP THE PARTNERSHIP AT
10/15/09 11:01:36 SOME FURTHER TIME.
10/15/09 11:01:39 WE THINK IT'S A WIN-WIN FOR
10/15/09 11:01:41 CITY AND COUNTY AND WE WOULD
10/15/09 11:01:42 HOPE YOU WOULD BE WILLING TO
10/15/09 11:01:43 SUPPORT US.
10/15/09 11:01:43 >> MOTION.
10/15/09 11:01:44 >> SO MOVED.
10/15/09 11:01:46 >> SECOND.
10/15/09 11:01:49 >> RESOLUTION TO
10/15/09 11:01:50 MOVE.
10/15/09 11:01:53 ALL IN
10/15/09 11:01:54 FAVOR.
10/15/09 11:01:54 >> AYE.
10/15/09 11:01:57 >> THANK YOU.
10/15/09 11:02:00 >>
10/15/09 11:02:01 GREAT WORK.
10/15/09 11:02:04 >>
10/15/09 11:02:05 ITEM 96.
10/15/09 11:02:08 >> IT DEFINITELY
10/15/09 11:02:08 DESERVES
10/15/09 11:02:11 COMMENT,
10/15/09 11:02:14 MR. CHAIRMAN.
10/15/09 11:02:17 I WANT
10/15/09 11:02:19 TO THANK MINDI SNIDER
10/15/09 11:02:21 FOR RECOGNIZING THE ISSUES
10/15/09 11:02:24 RAISED ABOUT THE CAPTIONING AND
10/15/09 11:02:26 MAKING A CHANGE.
10/15/09 11:02:29 I THINK IT UNDERSCORES THE
10/15/09 11:02:29 FACT
10/15/09 11:02:31 THAT SOMETIMES DOLLARS SAVE DO
10/15/09 11:02:34 NOT REPRESENT TRUE ECONOMY IF
10/15/09 11:02:36 THE SERVICE ISN'T ADEQUATE.
10/15/09 11:02:37 I WANT TO THANK CABLE
10/15/09 11:02:38 COMMUNICATION AND ACTING
10/15/09 11:02:40 SWIFTLY ON THIS ISSUE.
10/15/09 11:02:43 >> WHO IS
10/15/09 11:02:44 THE REPLACEMENT?
10/15/09 11:02:47 >> ARE WE GOING BACK TO THE OLD
10/15/09 11:02:50 SYSTEM WITH THE WONDERFUL
10/15/09 11:02:53 PEOPLE WHO NOW HOW TO PRONOUNCE
10/15/09 11:02:55 TAMPA STREET NAMES.
10/15/09 11:02:57 >> THE MAN THAT DID IT FOR
10/15/09 11:02:57 YEARS.
10/15/09 11:03:00 THANK YOU FOR BEING SO
10/15/09 11:03:03 QUICK
10/15/09 11:03:03 AND RESPONSIVE.
10/15/09 11:03:05 >> WE NEED A SECOND.
10/15/09 11:03:07 >> SO MOVED.
10/15/09 11:03:10 >> ALL IN
10/15/09 11:03:11 FAVOR.
10/15/09 11:03:11 >> AYE.
10/15/09 11:03:14 >> THAT CONCLUDES ALL OUR STAFF
10/15/09 11:03:15 REPORT ITEMS FOR THE MORNING.
10/15/09 11:03:18 WE GO BACK TO OUR 9:30
10/15/09 11:03:19 PUBLIC
10/15/09 11:03:20 HEARING AND TRY TO GET THOSE
10/15/09 11:03:23 OUT OF THE WAY IN THE NEXT 15
10/15/09 11:03:23 MINUTES.
10/15/09 11:03:26 >> ITEM 69 AND 70.
10/15/09 11:03:29 >> ALL IN
10/15/09 11:03:32 FAVOR.
10/15/09 11:03:33 >> AYE.
10/15/09 11:03:36 >> PUBLIC WISH TO ADDRESS
10/15/09 11:03:39 PUBLIC ON
10/15/09 11:03:42 ITEM 69?
10/15/09 11:03:51 >> I WAS
10/15/09 11:03:53 NOT ABLE TO BE HERE
10/15/09 11:03:55 WHEN YOU DID FIRST READING ON
10/15/09 11:03:55 THIS.
10/15/09 11:03:58 AT THAT POINT, I HAD JUST HAD
10/15/09 11:04:01 AN EXPERIENCE MYSELF WITH THE
10/15/09 11:04:03 NEW SOLICITATION ON THE RIGHT-
10/15/09 11:04:03 OF-WAYS.
10/15/09 11:04:05 THE LIGHT CHANGED AND THESE
10/15/09 11:04:09 PEOPLE JUST WALKED IN FRONT
10/15/09 11:04:09 OF
10/15/09 11:04:09 ME.
10/15/09 11:04:11 THIS WAS AT BOY SCOUT.
10/15/09 11:04:14 I KNOW THE ORDINANCE SAYS THAT
10/15/09 11:04:16 THIS WAS PUT INTO PLACE BECAUSE
10/15/09 11:04:18 THEY WILL HAVE TO WEAR THE
10/15/09 11:04:19 ORANGE VESTS, BUT THE SAFETY OF
10/15/09 11:04:21 THE DRIVER I DON'T THINK HAS
10/15/09 11:04:23 BEEN CONSIDERED IN THIS.
10/15/09 11:04:25 I HAVE BEEN ASKED BY SEVERAL
10/15/09 11:04:26 PEOPLE WHY ARE PEOPLE NOW
10/15/09 11:04:28 SELLING WATER ON THE STREET AND
10/15/09 11:04:30 NOW COMING UP TO THE CARS
10/15/09 11:04:31 AGAIN.
10/15/09 11:04:34 FOR A LONG TIME, THAT HAD
10/15/09 11:04:34 STOPPED.
10/15/09 11:04:37 NOW IT'S
10/15/09 11:04:39 STARTING AGAIN.
10/15/09 11:04:42 THE BIG DIFFERENCE IS THEY WILL
10/15/09 11:04:44 BE ABLE TO DO IT AND THEY ONLY
10/15/09 11:04:46 HAVE TO WEAR THE ORANGE VESTS.
10/15/09 11:04:48 UNDERSTAND WE ARE IN A DIRE
10/15/09 11:04:49 SITUATION AND PEOPLE ARE IN
10/15/09 11:04:52 NEED OF HELP, BUT I THINK THAT
10/15/09 11:04:53 THERE'S OTHER WAYS TO HELP
10/15/09 11:04:53 THEM.
10/15/09 11:04:56 I KNOW THAT I'M VERY GENEROUS
10/15/09 11:04:59 THROUGH MY CHURCH AT GIVING
10/15/09 11:04:59 TO
10/15/09 11:04:59 THOSE.
10/15/09 11:05:02 SO I JUST REALLY
10/15/09 11:05:05 HAVE A CONCERN
10/15/09 11:05:07 THAT WE ARE NOW GOING TO BE
10/15/09 11:05:08 ALLOWING THIS ACROSS THE BOARD
10/15/09 11:05:11 AS LONG AS THEY ARE WEARING THE
10/15/09 11:05:13 ORANGE VESTS AND WHERE THE CODE
10/15/09 11:05:16 ENFORCEMENT WILL BE
10/15/09 11:05:18 ABLE TO
10/15/09 11:05:19 REALLY KEEP THAT.
10/15/09 11:05:22 I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S A
10/15/09 11:05:23 WAY
10/15/09 11:05:24 CITE THESE PEOPLE.
10/15/09 11:05:26 WILL THEY BE TOLD TO STOP?
10/15/09 11:05:28 WILL THEY BE ARRESTED?
10/15/09 11:05:29 WHAT WILL HAPPEN IF THEY DON'T
10/15/09 11:05:32 HAVE ON THE VESTS?
10/15/09 11:05:34 THANK YOU FOR LISTENING.
10/15/09 11:05:35 I KNOW THERE ARE OTHERS WHO
10/15/09 11:05:37 HAVE THIS SAME CONCERN.
10/15/09 11:05:39 THERE'S A BIG DIFFERENCE IN THE
10/15/09 11:05:40 SOLICITATION.
10/15/09 11:05:43 >> THANK YOU VERY
10/15/09 11:05:46 MUCH.
10/15/09 11:05:47 NEXT SPEAKER.
10/15/09 11:05:50 >> MY NAME IS
10/15/09 11:05:53 SUE LYON.
10/15/09 11:05:58 THE DIFFICULTY IS WITH PEOPLE
10/15/09 11:06:00 STEPPING OUT IN FRONT OF YOU IS
10/15/09 11:06:03 YOU'RE NOT
10/15/09 11:06:09 EXPECTING IT.
10/15/09 11:06:12 I WAS HAVING LUNCH YESTERDAY.
10/15/09 11:06:13 THEM APPROACHING ME FRIGHTENED
10/15/09 11:06:13 ME.
10/15/09 11:06:15 I'M NOT AFRAID OF MUCH.
10/15/09 11:06:17 BUT WHEN THEY COME UP TO THE
10/15/09 11:06:19 CAR AND THEY ARE HEADING RIGHT
10/15/09 11:06:21 AT YOU, YOU THINK WHAT'S GOING
10/15/09 11:06:21 TO HAPPEN.
10/15/09 11:06:24 DO I GET OUT OF THEIR
10/15/09 11:06:25 WAY.
10/15/09 11:06:26 WHAT IS IT?
10/15/09 11:06:29 IT'S NOT AN
10/15/09 11:06:31 EASY SITUATION.
10/15/09 11:06:34 MY CHURCH FEEDS HOMELESS EVERY
10/15/09 11:06:36 SUNDAY MORNING.
10/15/09 11:06:38 WE TAKE CARE OF THEM.
10/15/09 11:06:40 IT'S NOT THAT.
10/15/09 11:06:42 IT'S PEOPLE THAT ARE USING OUR
10/15/09 11:06:44 RIGHT-OF-WAYS IN A DANGEROUS
10/15/09 11:06:44 MANNER.
10/15/09 11:06:45 WE WOULD APPRECIATE YOU
10/15/09 11:06:48 CONSIDERING
10/15/09 11:06:48 THAT.
10/15/09 11:06:49 THANK YOU.
10/15/09 11:06:51 >> ANYONE ELSE?
10/15/09 11:06:51 OKAY.
10/15/09 11:06:54 >> CAN WE ASK A QUESTION?
10/15/09 11:06:55 >> YES.
10/15/09 11:06:58 >> SOMEONE FROM THE
10/15/09 11:06:59 LEGAL
10/15/09 11:07:00 DEPARTMENT, THIS IS TOUGH.
10/15/09 11:07:03 IS THERE A
10/15/09 11:07:05 WAY TO DISTINGUISH
10/15/09 11:07:08 BETWEEN SOMEBODY
10/15/09 11:07:11 SELLING A
10/15/09 11:07:13 NEWSPAPER VERSUS THE EXPERIENCE
10/15/09 11:07:16 THAT THE TWO SPEAKERS
10/15/09 11:07:16 JUST
10/15/09 11:07:16 DESCRIBED?
10/15/09 11:07:19 >> MR. CHAIRMAN IF I
10/15/09 11:07:20 WAY.
10/15/09 11:07:22 CHIP FLETCHER, CITY ATTORNEY.
10/15/09 11:07:23 THAT ISSUE IS WHAT THE LEGAL
10/15/09 11:07:26 STRUGGLE HAS BEEN OVER THE
10/15/09 11:07:27 YEARS ON THIS.
10/15/09 11:07:29 JUST TO REMIND YOU WHY WE'RE
10/15/09 11:07:32 HERE ON
10/15/09 11:07:33 THIS ISSUE.
10/15/09 11:07:36 STATE LAW ATTEMPTS TO CREATE
10/15/09 11:07:38 THAT KIND OF AID DISTINCTION
10/15/09 11:07:40 WHERE YOU NEED A PERMIT UNLESS
10/15/09 11:07:42 YOU'RE A NONPROFIT.
10/15/09 11:07:45 IF YOU NEED A
10/15/09 11:07:46 NONPROFIT WHOEVER
10/15/09 11:07:48 RESULTS IS TREATED DIFFERENTLY.
10/15/09 11:07:49 THE FEDERAL COURTS HAVE STEPPED
10/15/09 11:07:51 IN AND SAID NO THAT'S A
10/15/09 11:07:52 VIOLATION OF THE FIRST
10/15/09 11:07:53 AMENDMENT.
10/15/09 11:07:55 SO WE STILL HAVE THIS STATE LAW
10/15/09 11:07:57 ON THE BOOKS.
10/15/09 11:07:58 WE HAVE THIS CONFLICT BETWEEN
10/15/09 11:08:00 STATE AND FEDERAL LAW THAT
10/15/09 11:08:02 LIMITS OUR CHOICES.
10/15/09 11:08:05 WE PRESENTED A CHOICE
10/15/09 11:08:06 BETWEEN
10/15/09 11:08:08 HAVING A PROHIBITION ON THE
10/15/09 11:08:10 RIGHT-OF-WAY WHICH HAVE BEEN
10/15/09 11:08:12 UPHELD, OR HAVING THIS TYPE OF
10/15/09 11:08:14 A PROCESS BEFORE YOU TODAY
10/15/09 11:08:17 WHERE THERE ARE STANDARDS FOR
10/15/09 11:08:17 SOLICITATION IN THE RIGHT-OF-
10/15/09 11:08:19 WAY AND ESSENTIALLY THE SAME
10/15/09 11:08:22 KINDS OF THINGS ONE WOULD PUT
10/15/09 11:08:25 INTO A SYSTEM BUT WITHOUT
10/15/09 11:08:26 THE
10/15/09 11:08:26 RESTRAINT.
10/15/09 11:08:27 THEY CHOSE TO GO WITH THE
10/15/09 11:08:29 SYSTEM BEFORE YOU TODAY.
10/15/09 11:08:32 IN TERMS OF ENFORCEMENT, THE
10/15/09 11:08:34 TYPICAL METHOD OF ENFORCEMENT
10/15/09 11:08:36 IS THROUGH LAW ENFORCEMENT
10/15/09 11:08:37 TYPICALLY WARNING AND THEN
10/15/09 11:08:40 ARREST IF THERE'S A
10/15/09 11:08:41 CONTINUED
10/15/09 11:08:41 VIOLATION.
10/15/09 11:08:43 HISTORICALLY, THERE HAS BEEN
10/15/09 11:08:44 STRONG ENFORCEMENT UNTIL WE
10/15/09 11:08:45 REACHED THIS POSITION WHERE WE
10/15/09 11:08:48 HAD THE
10/15/09 11:08:49 CONFLICT.
10/15/09 11:08:52 WE DO STILL HAVE OCCASIONAL
10/15/09 11:08:52 ENFORCEMENT WHEN SOMEONE
10/15/09 11:08:55 REFUSES TO MOVE FROM THE
10/15/09 11:08:56 RIGHT-
10/15/09 11:08:58 OF-WAY AND INTERRUPTS THE FLOW
10/15/09 11:08:58 OF TRAFFIC.
10/15/09 11:08:59 WHEN WE HAVE A CLEAR STANDARD
10/15/09 11:09:01 ON THE BOOKS, THE STRONG
10/15/09 11:09:02 ENFORCEMENT WOULD RESUME.
10/15/09 11:09:03 WE HAVE ALREADY DISCUSSED THAT
10/15/09 11:09:04 WITH MANAGEMENT AND THE POLICE
10/15/09 11:09:06 DEPARTMENT AND THE CHIEF.
10/15/09 11:09:08 I SUSPECT THAT WOULD BE THE
10/15/09 11:09:10 APPROACH IF COUNCIL MOVED
10/15/09 11:09:13 FORWARD WITH
10/15/09 11:09:14 THIS TODAY.
10/15/09 11:09:17 >> DON'T
10/15/09 11:09:18 LEAVE PLEASE.
10/15/09 11:09:21 ON PAGE 3 LINE 28, IT SAYS
10/15/09 11:09:21 THAT
10/15/09 11:09:24 PEOPLE CAN BE IN THE STREET
10/15/09 11:09:26 ONCE THE TRAFFIC STARTS TO MOVE
10/15/09 11:09:29 THEY MUST REMOVE THEMSELVES
10/15/09 11:09:30 FROM THE STREET.
10/15/09 11:09:31 >> THAT'S CORRECT.
10/15/09 11:09:33 >> WHAT IF THEY DON'T REMOVE
10/15/09 11:09:36 THEMSELVES FROM
10/15/09 11:09:37 THE STREET?
10/15/09 11:09:38 LIKE THE NEW 8 LANES.
10/15/09 11:09:41 THEY ARE GOING TO BE IN THE
10/15/09 11:09:44 MIDDLE OF TWO LANES GOING THIS
10/15/09 11:09:45 WAY AND TWO GOING THAT WAY.
10/15/09 11:09:47 THERE'S GOING TO BE PROBLEMS.
10/15/09 11:09:49 DRIVERS ARE GOING TO GET
10/15/09 11:09:49 DISTRACTED.
10/15/09 11:09:51 IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A GOOD
10/15/09 11:09:51 SCENE.
10/15/09 11:09:55 >> ALL I CAN SAY IS THIS IS
10/15/09 11:09:55 HOW
10/15/09 11:09:58 THIS POLICY
10/15/09 11:10:01 CHOICE
10/15/09 11:10:02 WOULD WORK.
10/15/09 11:10:03 IF SOMEONE DIDN'T MOVE, THEY
10/15/09 11:10:05 WOULD BE SUBJECT TO WARNING AND
10/15/09 11:10:05 ARREST.
10/15/09 11:10:08 IN THE LAST FEW MONTHS, I'M
10/15/09 11:10:11 AWARE OF ONE INSTANCE THAT
10/15/09 11:10:12 AN
10/15/09 11:10:15 INDIVIDUAL
10/15/09 11:10:18 WAS ARRESTED.
10/15/09 11:10:21 THAT'S WITH THIS CHOICE
10/15/09 11:10:23 OF
10/15/09 11:10:24 HAVING GENERALIZED SOLICITATION
10/15/09 11:10:26 OF THE RIGHT-OF-WAY PERMITTED,
10/15/09 11:10:27 THAT'S HOW IT WOULD WORK.
10/15/09 11:10:29 >> SO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS
10/15/09 11:10:32 GOING TO ENFORCE THIS?
10/15/09 11:10:35 >> THAT'S CORRECT.
10/15/09 11:10:36 >> ANYMORE QUESTIONS?
10/15/09 11:10:38 >> MOTION TO CLOSE.
10/15/09 11:10:41 >> SO
10/15/09 11:10:43 MOVED.
10/15/09 11:10:46 >> SECOND.
10/15/09 11:10:49 >> MR. CHAIRMAN.
10/15/09 11:10:49 >> YES.
10/15/09 11:10:52 >> THIS IS A TOUGH ONE,
10/15/09 11:10:54 BUT I
10/15/09 11:10:57 THINK THAT THE SAFETY ISSUES OF
10/15/09 11:11:00 WEARING THE VESTS WILL
10/15/09 11:11:00 HELP
10/15/09 11:11:02 KEEP PEOPLE SAFER.
10/15/09 11:11:05 I THINK THAT
10/15/09 11:11:06 THE OBNOXIOUS
10/15/09 11:11:08 BEHAVIOR THAT THESE INDIVIDUALS
10/15/09 11:11:11 NOTED IS KIND
10/15/09 11:11:12 OF INDIVIDUAL
10/15/09 11:11:15 BEHAVIOR AND IT'S HARD TO
10/15/09 11:11:15 REGULATE.
10/15/09 11:11:17 I DARE SAY THEY WERE JUST PAN
10/15/09 11:11:18 HANDLING, WHICH YOU'RE NOT
10/15/09 11:11:19 SUPPOSED TO BE DOING ANY WAY.
10/15/09 11:11:21 IT ISN'T ALLOWED.
10/15/09 11:11:24 I THINK THAT SELLING
10/15/09 11:11:26 NEWSPAPERS
10/15/09 11:11:29 IS SOMETHING THAT'S LEGIT AS
10/15/09 11:11:30 WELL AS THE FIREFIGHTERS
10/15/09 11:11:31 COLLECTING FOR THEIR CAUSES.
10/15/09 11:11:33 I WILL SUPPORT THE ORDINANCE
10/15/09 11:11:34 BEFORE US.
10/15/09 11:11:37 I'D LIKE TO MOVE
10/15/09 11:11:37 THAT.
10/15/09 11:11:38 >> SECOND.
10/15/09 11:11:41 >> IS THERE A
10/15/09 11:11:45 SECOND?
10/15/09 11:11:47 >> SECOND.
10/15/09 11:11:49 >> I'D LIKE TO MOVE AN
10/15/09 11:11:51 ORDINANCE FOR SECOND READING.
10/15/09 11:11:54 ON ORDINANCE MANNING THE CITY
10/15/09 11:11:57 OF TAMPA CHAPTER
10/15/09 11:11:58 25
10/15/09 11:11:58 TRANSPORTATION.
10/15/09 11:12:01 AMENDING SECTION 25-173 PUBLIC
10/15/09 11:12:02 SAFETY REQUIREMENTS FOR
10/15/09 11:12:05 BUSINESS OR CONTRIBUTIONS FROM
10/15/09 11:12:06 WITHIN STREET RIGHT-OF-WAYS
10/15/09 11:12:09 REPEALING ALL ORDINANCE IN
10/15/09 11:12:12 CONFLICT PROVIDING FOR AN
10/15/09 11:12:12 EFFECTIVE DATE.
10/15/09 11:12:15 >> CAN I ASK A
10/15/09 11:12:17 QUICK QUESTION?
10/15/09 11:12:20 IT SAYS WITHIN
10/15/09 11:12:23 STREET
10/15/09 11:12:23 RIGHT-OF-
10/15/09 11:12:23 WAYS.
10/15/09 11:12:26 THE SIDEWALK IS NOT
10/15/09 11:12:28 ADDRESSED
10/15/09 11:12:28 HERE.
10/15/09 11:12:31 >> CHIP FLETCHER CITY
10/15/09 11:12:32 ATTORNEY.
10/15/09 11:12:35 THIS ONLY ADDRESSES STREETS
10/15/09 11:12:38 AND
10/15/09 11:12:39 HIGHWAYS.
10/15/09 11:12:42 WE HAVE AN ORDINANCE
10/15/09 11:12:42 THAT'S
10/15/09 11:12:45 ENFORCED IN YBOR CITY.
10/15/09 11:12:48 THAT WOULD BE
10/15/09 11:12:49 THE ORDINANCE
10/15/09 11:12:51 THAT WOULD GOVERN THAT
10/15/09 11:12:52 INTERACTION.
10/15/09 11:12:53 >> THE AGENDA SAYS A SECOND
10/15/09 11:12:55 READING AND THE BACKUP MATERIAL
10/15/09 11:12:58 SAYS A
10/15/09 11:13:01 FIRST READING.
10/15/09 11:13:16 >> MAYBE YOU WANT TO CALL
10/15/09 11:13:17 THE
10/15/09 11:13:18 AUTHORITIES AND HAVE THEM LOOK
10/15/09 11:13:19 AT THE CORNER.
10/15/09 11:13:21 >> I SECONDED THAT MOTION.
10/15/09 11:13:23 I AGREE AND THESE COULD BE
10/15/09 11:13:26 AMENDED IF THESE
10/15/09 11:13:27 THINGS ARE NOT
10/15/09 11:13:29 HERETO BY THE PUBLIC ON THE
10/15/09 11:13:32 RIGHT-OF-WAYS
10/15/09 11:13:33 AND MISBEHAVED.
10/15/09 11:13:35 IT'S NOT ON THE STREET AND WALK
10/15/09 11:13:36 UP AND DOWN LIKE THEY ARE DOING
10/15/09 11:13:37 NOW.
10/15/09 11:13:40 >> IF I MAY SAY, THAT WAS THE
10/15/09 11:13:41 INCIDENT I GAVE YOU WAS JUST
10/15/09 11:13:43 BEFORE YOU DID FIRST READING.
10/15/09 11:13:46 WHAT I
10/15/09 11:13:47 OBSERVED YESTERDAY AT
10/15/09 11:13:50 KENNEDY, THERE WERE FIVE
10/15/09 11:13:54 OF
10/15/09 11:13:58 THEM.
10/15/09 11:14:07 >>
10/15/09 11:14:10 MOTION
10/15/09 11:14:13 CARRIED
10/15/09 11:14:16 WITH
10/15/09 11:14:17 DINGFELDER.
10/15/09 11:14:18 >> AS THE CHAIRMAN MAY RECALL,
10/15/09 11:14:21 WE DO
10/15/09 11:14:24 HAVE FOLKS IN THE
10/15/09 11:14:25 POLICE
10/15/09 11:14:26 DEPARTMENT DISTRICT ONE
10/15/09 11:14:27 INTERESTED IN ENFORCING THIS.
10/15/09 11:14:29 I BELIEVE THE AREAS YOU
10/15/09 11:14:32 REFERRED TO ARE IN DISTRICT 1.
10/15/09 11:14:33 THEY ARE ALREADY PREPARED TO GO
10/15/09 11:14:35 AND DO THAT.
10/15/09 11:14:37 >> OKAY.
10/15/09 11:14:40 THANK
10/15/09 11:14:42 YOU.
10/15/09 11:14:45 ITEM 70.
10/15/09 11:14:47 >> MOTION TO CLOSE.
10/15/09 11:14:47 >> SECOND.
10/15/09 11:14:51 >> ALL IN
10/15/09 11:14:54 FAVOR.
10/15/09 11:14:54 >> AYE.
10/15/09 11:14:56 >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
10/15/09 11:14:59 I MOVE AN ORDINANCEOVER THE
10/15/09 11:15:01 CITY OF TAMPA AMENDING CITY
10/15/09 11:15:04 CODE OF ORDINANCES CHAPTER 25
10/15/09 11:15:07 ARTICLE 3 DIVISION 3
10/15/09 11:15:08 TRANSPORTATION REPEALING
10/15/09 11:15:10 SECTION 25-186 REGARDING
10/15/09 11:15:11 SPECIFIC TECHNICAL
10/15/09 11:15:13 REQUIREMENTS, WARNING SIGNALS
10/15/09 11:15:16 IN ITS ENTIRETY, PROVIDING FOR
10/15/09 11:15:17 SEVERABILITY PROVIDING FOR
10/15/09 11:15:19 REPEAL OF ALL ORDINANCES IN
10/15/09 11:15:21 CONFLICT PROVIDING FOR AN
10/15/09 11:15:24 EFFECTIVE
10/15/09 11:15:26 DATE.
10/15/09 11:15:27 >> SECOND.
10/15/09 11:15:30 >> THIS IS
10/15/09 11:15:31 YOUR IDEA.
10/15/09 11:15:34 THE BICYCLE
10/15/09 11:15:36 BELL REPEAL.
10/15/09 11:15:39 >> IT SAYS THE
10/15/09 11:15:42 VOTING ENDED.
10/15/09 11:15:45 >> I VOTE YES TO REPEAL THE
10/15/09 11:15:46 BIKE BELL.
10/15/09 11:15:49 >> MOTION
10/15/09 11:15:52 CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
10/15/09 11:15:55 >> OPEN
10/15/09 11:15:58 ITEM 71-75.
10/15/09 11:15:59 >> SECOND.
10/15/09 11:16:01 >> ALL WITNESSES WHO WANT TO
10/15/09 11:16:03 TESTIFY AND SPEAK AT THIS TIME.
10/15/09 11:16:06 RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND
10/15/09 11:16:08 BE
10/15/09 11:16:09 SWORN.
10/15/09 11:16:09 >> DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM TO
10/15/09 11:16:10 TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE
10/15/09 11:16:13 THROUGHOUT, AND NOTHING BUT THE
10/15/09 11:16:17 TRUTH.
10/15/09 11:16:18 THANK YOU.
10/15/09 11:16:21 >>
10/15/09 11:16:24 ITEM 71.
10/15/09 11:16:24 ANYONE?
10/15/09 11:16:25 MOTION TO CLOSE.
10/15/09 11:16:26 >> SECOND.
10/15/09 11:16:29 >> ALL IN
10/15/09 11:16:30 FAVOR.
10/15/09 11:16:33 >>
10/15/09 11:16:35 AYE.
10/15/09 11:16:38 >> OKAY.
10/15/09 11:16:41 >> I MOVE
10/15/09 11:16:42 AN ORDINANCE BE
10/15/09 11:16:45 ADOPTED UPON SECOND READING
10/15/09 11:16:47 VACATING CLOSING ABANDONING
10/15/09 11:16:50 RIGHT-OF-WAYS THAT PORTION OF
10/15/09 11:16:53 53rd STREET WEST
10/15/09 11:16:54 OF 57th STREET
10/15/09 11:16:58 AND EAST OF
10/15/09 11:17:00 52nd STREET A
10/15/09 11:17:03 SUBDIVISION IF THE CITY OF
10/15/09 11:17:03 TAMPA.
10/15/09 11:17:04 THE SAME BEING DESCRIBED IN
10/15/09 11:17:07 SECTION 2 SUBJECT TO THE
10/15/09 11:17:10 RESERVATION
10/15/09 11:17:11 OF CERTAIN
10/15/09 11:17:14 PERMANENT SUBJECT
10/15/09 11:17:17 TO CONDITIONS
10/15/09 11:17:20 AND RESTRICTIONS PROVIDING FOR
10/15/09 11:17:21 A DATE.
10/15/09 11:17:21 >> SECOND.
10/15/09 11:17:24 >> MOVE TO SECOND.
10/15/09 11:17:27 RECORD
10/15/09 11:17:30 YOUR VOTE.
10/15/09 11:17:36 >> MOTION
10/15/09 11:17:36 CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
10/15/09 11:17:39 >>
10/15/09 11:17:42 ITEM 72.
10/15/09 11:17:45 >>
10/15/09 11:17:47 GOOD MORNING.
10/15/09 11:17:50 LOUISIANA SHUN
10/15/09 11:17:51 DOCK.
10/15/09 11:17:53 ITEM 72-74 REQUIRE CERTIFIED
10/15/09 11:17:53 SITE PLANS.
10/15/09 11:17:55 THEY HAVE BEEN APPROVED AND
10/15/09 11:17:58 PROVIDED BY THE
10/15/09 11:17:59 CLERK.
10/15/09 11:18:00 ITEM 75.
10/15/09 11:18:02 THE CERTIFIED SITE PLANS THAT
10/15/09 11:18:05 ARE REVISED WERE NOT SUBMITTED.
10/15/09 11:18:06 SECOND READING WE'RE ASKING
10/15/09 11:18:09 SHOULD BE CONTINUED TO NOVEMBER
10/15/09 11:18:09 5th.
10/15/09 11:18:12 >> THAT'S ITEM
10/15/09 11:18:13 75?
10/15/09 11:18:13 >> YES.
10/15/09 11:18:16 NOVEMBER 5th AT
10/15/09 11:18:18 9:30 A.M.
10/15/09 11:18:18 >> SECOND.
10/15/09 11:18:21 >> WE'LL CONTINUE
10/15/09 11:18:23 ITEM 75.
10/15/09 11:18:25 ANYONE WISH TO ADDRESS?
10/15/09 11:18:29 >> MOVE TO
10/15/09 11:18:29 SECOND.
10/15/09 11:18:29 >> SECOND.
10/15/09 11:18:31 >> ALL IN FAVOR.
10/15/09 11:18:31 >> AYE.
10/15/09 11:18:34 >> OUR AGENDAS
10/15/09 11:18:39 USED TO SAY HOW
10/15/09 11:18:40 PEOPLE VOTED AT FIRST READING.
10/15/09 11:18:42 I HAVE A QUESTION OF THE CLERK.
10/15/09 11:18:45 WHEN DID WE STOP DOING
10/15/09 11:18:48 THIS
10/15/09 11:18:50 AND
10/15/09 11:18:51 WHY?
10/15/09 11:18:54 IT USED
10/15/09 11:18:58 TO SAY.
10/15/09 11:19:01 OUR AGENDAS USED TO
10/15/09 11:19:03 SAY HOW
10/15/09 11:19:04 COUNCIL VOTED.
10/15/09 11:19:07 >> ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE
10/15/09 11:19:10 ITEM FORKED FOR
10/15/09 11:19:12 THE READING?
10/15/09 11:19:15 >> PERHAPS THIS HAS BEEN GOING
10/15/09 11:19:15 ON.
10/15/09 11:19:17 I WAS COGNIZANT OF IT TODAY.
10/15/09 11:19:19 >> THEY ARE INDICATED IN GREEN.
10/15/09 11:19:22 >> IT SAYS WHO'S ABSENT.
10/15/09 11:19:23 >> IT'S THE TERMINOLOGY.
10/15/09 11:19:26 >> WE'LL CORRECT
10/15/09 11:19:27 IT.
10/15/09 11:19:28 >> I ASKED THE SAME QUESTION.
10/15/09 11:19:29 IT IS CONFUSING.
10/15/09 11:19:32 IF YOU LOOK AT THE OTHER ONES,
10/15/09 11:19:35 IT DOES
10/15/09 11:19:36 SAY UNANIMOUS.
10/15/09 11:19:38 YOU HAVE TO ASSUME IF IT
10/15/09 11:19:39 DOESN'T SAY ANYONE VOTED NO
10/15/09 11:19:40 THAT IT WAS UNANIMOUS.
10/15/09 11:19:41 >> IS THAT RIGHT?
10/15/09 11:19:42 >> THAT'S CORRECT.
10/15/09 11:19:45 >> IT DOES SAY IF ANYONE VOTED
10/15/09 11:19:45 AGAINST IT.
10/15/09 11:19:47 IT SAYS WHO WASN'T HERE.
10/15/09 11:19:48 >> THANK YOU.
10/15/09 11:19:50 >> THANK YOU.
10/15/09 11:19:53 >>
10/15/09 11:19:56 ITEM 72.
10/15/09 11:19:59 ANYONE WISH TO ADDRESS COUNCIL?
10/15/09 11:19:59 MOTION CLOSED.
10/15/09 11:20:02 >>
10/15/09 11:20:04 SECOND.
10/15/09 11:20:07 >> MOVED.
10/15/09 11:20:10 >> SECOND.
10/15/09 11:20:13 >> RECORD
10/15/09 11:20:16 YOUR VOTE.
10/15/09 11:20:19 AN ABSENCE OF NO READER, I READ
10/15/09 11:20:22 ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY IN
10/15/09 11:20:25 THE GENERAL VICINITY OF 4205
10/15/09 11:20:27 AND 4215 IN THE CITY OF TAMPA
10/15/09 11:20:29 AND MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED
10/15/09 11:20:32 IN SECTION 1 ZONING
10/15/09 11:20:35 DISTRICT
10/15/09 11:20:37 CLASSIFICATION TO PD PROVIDING
10/15/09 11:20:38 AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
10/15/09 11:20:41 >> RECORD
10/15/09 11:20:45 YOUR VOTE.
10/15/09 11:20:46 >> MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
10/15/09 11:20:49 >>
10/15/09 11:20:50 ITEM 73.
10/15/09 11:20:52 ANYONE WISH TO ADDRESS COUNCIL?
10/15/09 11:20:54 >> MOVE TO CLOSE.
10/15/09 11:20:55 >> SECOND.
10/15/09 11:20:57 >> ALL IN FAVOR.
10/15/09 11:20:57 >> AYE.
10/15/09 11:20:59 >> I'D LIKE TO MOVE AN
10/15/09 11:21:02 ORDINANCE FOR SECOND READING
10/15/09 11:21:05 IN
10/15/09 11:21:06 ADOPTION.
10/15/09 11:21:06 FOR ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SALES
10/15/09 11:21:10 AND MAKING LAWFUL FOR THE SALE
10/15/09 11:21:12 OF BEVERAGES OF ALCOHOL AND
10/15/09 11:21:15 REGARDLESS OF ALCOHOLIC CONTENT
10/15/09 11:21:16 FOR CONSUMPTION ON THE PREMISES
10/15/09 11:21:18 ONLY IN CONNECTION WITH THE
10/15/09 11:21:19 RESTAURANT BUSINESS
10/15/09 11:21:21 ESTABLISHMENT ON THAT CERTAIN
10/15/09 11:21:25 LOT, PLOT, OR LAND AT 4205 AND
10/15/09 11:21:28 4215
10/15/09 11:21:29 TAMPA, FLORIDA, AS
10/15/09 11:21:31 DESCRIBED IN SECTION 2
10/15/09 11:21:33 PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF ALL
10/15/09 11:21:35 ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT
10/15/09 11:21:37 PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
10/15/09 11:21:40 >> RECORD
10/15/09 11:21:42 YOUR VOTE.
10/15/09 11:21:45 >> MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
10/15/09 11:21:48 >>
10/15/09 11:21:51 ITEM 74.
10/15/09 11:21:56 >> GINA GRIMES.
10/15/09 11:21:57 THE EVENING OF THE PUBLIC
10/15/09 11:21:59 HEARING, WE HAD NO PUBLIC
10/15/09 11:21:59 OPPOSITION.
10/15/09 11:22:02 I DID REFERENCE A LETTER OF NO
10/15/09 11:22:03 OBJECTION FROM THE PROPERTY
10/15/09 11:22:03 OWNER.
10/15/09 11:22:05 I FAILED TO PUT THEM IN THE
10/15/09 11:22:05 RECORD.
10/15/09 11:22:07 I WANTED TO TAKE CARE OF THAT
10/15/09 11:22:07 THIS MORNING.
10/15/09 11:22:08 >> THANK YOU.
10/15/09 11:22:08 MOTION TO CLOSE.
10/15/09 11:22:12 >>
10/15/09 11:22:13 SO MOVED.
10/15/09 11:22:15 >> ALL IN FAVOR.
10/15/09 11:22:16 >> AYE.
10/15/09 11:22:17 >>> AN ORDINANCE REZONING
10/15/09 11:22:19 PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL
10/15/09 11:22:20 VICINITY OF 117 SOUTH WILLOW
10/15/09 11:22:22 AVENUE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA,
10/15/09 11:22:23 FLORIDA, AND MORE PARTICULARLY
10/15/09 11:22:26 DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1,
10/15/09 11:22:28 FROM
10/15/09 11:22:31 ZONING DISTRICT CLASSIFICATIONS
10/15/09 11:22:33 BUSINESS PROFESSIONAL OFFICE TO
10/15/09 11:22:36 BUSINESS PROFESSIONAL OFFICE
10/15/09 11:22:36 PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
10/15/09 11:22:39 >> RECORD
10/15/09 11:22:45 YOUR VOTE.
10/15/09 11:22:46 IS.
10/15/09 11:22:48 >> MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
10/15/09 11:22:51 >> ITEM 76
10/15/09 11:22:53 THROUGH 81.
10/15/09 11:22:56 WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO
10/15/09 11:23:01 THE
10/15/09 11:23:04 THIRD.
10/15/09 11:23:13 >> WE NEED TO OPEN ALL OF THEM
10/15/09 11:23:17 AND
10/15/09 11:23:17 CONTINUE.
10/15/09 11:23:18 >> SECOND.
10/15/09 11:23:18 >> SECOND TO OPEN.
10/15/09 11:23:19 MOTION TO CONTINUE.
10/15/09 11:23:23 >> MOTION
10/15/09 11:23:26 TO CONTINUE.
10/15/09 11:23:35 >> OPEN
10/15/09 11:23:35 MY MIRANDA.
10/15/09 11:23:37 SECOND BY MULHERN.
10/15/09 11:23:40 OPEN ALL IN
10/15/09 11:23:41 FAVOR.
10/15/09 11:23:41 >> AYE.
10/15/09 11:23:44 >> NOW WE NEED A MOTION TO
10/15/09 11:23:45 CONTINUE.
10/15/09 11:23:46 >> MOVED.
10/15/09 11:23:46 >> SECOND.
10/15/09 11:23:49 >>
10/15/09 11:23:52 DECEMBER 3rd.
10/15/09 11:23:58 ALL IN FAVOR.
10/15/09 11:24:00 >> AYE.
10/15/09 11:24:01 >> OPPOSES.
10/15/09 11:24:04 >>
10/15/09 11:24:05 ITEM 82.
10/15/09 11:24:07 >> MOTION TO OPEN.
10/15/09 11:24:10 ITEM 76 THROUGH
10/15/09 11:24:11 82.
10/15/09 11:24:11 SO MOVED.
10/15/09 11:24:14 ALL IN FAVOR.
10/15/09 11:24:14 >> AYE.
10/15/09 11:24:17 >>
10/15/09 11:24:20 ITEM 82.
10/15/09 11:24:23 MOVE TO
10/15/09 11:24:24 CLOSE.
10/15/09 11:24:24 >> SECOND.
10/15/09 11:24:27 >> ALL IN
10/15/09 11:24:29 FAVOR.
10/15/09 11:24:30 >> AYE.
10/15/09 11:24:31 >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
10/15/09 11:24:34 I'LL MOVE FOR ADOPTION OF
10/15/09 11:24:38 SECOND READING.
10/15/09 11:24:41 AMENDING --I
10/15/09 11:24:44 WAS OPPOSED TO
10/15/09 11:24:50 THIS ONE.
10/15/09 11:24:53 >> THAT SPEAKS
10/15/09 11:24:54 TO MY QUESTION
10/15/09 11:24:56 ABOUT PEOPLE VOTING.
10/15/09 11:24:59 >> I DON'T KNOW IF I VOTED
10/15/09 11:25:00 AGAINST IT, BUT I KNOW I'M NOT
10/15/09 11:25:03 GOING TO VOTE FOR IT TODAY.
10/15/09 11:25:05 >> SINCE I WASN'T HERE, I'D
10/15/09 11:25:08 LIKE TO HEAR WHAT THE VOTE WAS
10/15/09 11:25:09 IF I COULD.
10/15/09 11:25:12 DO YOU HAVE THE VOTE FROM THE
10/15/09 11:25:13 FIRST READING?
10/15/09 11:25:15 >> ACCORDING TO THE RECORD, YOU
10/15/09 11:25:18 WERE ABSENT AT THE TIME
10/15/09 11:25:18 OF
10/15/09 11:25:19 VOTE.
10/15/09 11:25:22 OTHERWISE IT
10/15/09 11:25:23 WAS 6-0.
10/15/09 11:25:26 >> MR. DINGFELDER SAID HE
10/15/09 11:25:26 DIDN'T VOTE.
10/15/09 11:25:27 >> HE VOTED FOR IT.
10/15/09 11:25:30 >> MAYBE I'M CONFUSING IT WITH
10/15/09 11:25:33 THE OTHER ISSUE.
10/15/09 11:25:36 >> I'M OFF.
10/15/09 11:25:37 >> IT'S TALKING ABOUT 50th
10/15/09 11:25:40 STREET AND
10/15/09 11:25:41 I-4. I'LL BE GLAD TO
10/15/09 11:25:44 READ THIS OR SECOND
10/15/09 11:25:46 IT.
10/15/09 11:25:49 >> AN ORDINANCE MAP LOCATED
10/15/09 11:25:50 IN
10/15/09 11:25:52 THE GENERAL VICINITY OF 50th
10/15/09 11:25:55 STREET AND BUSCH BILLION DOLLAR
10/15/09 11:25:58 FROM MEDIUM
10/15/09 11:25:58 DENSITY RESIDENTIAL
10/15/09 11:26:01 TO COMMUNITY
10/15/09 11:26:03 MIXED USE.
10/15/09 11:26:06 >> MOVE TO SECOND.
10/15/09 11:26:07 >> SECONDED BY MIRANDA.
10/15/09 11:26:08 >> A MOTION TO ADOPT.
10/15/09 11:26:09 >> SECOND READING.
10/15/09 11:26:13 >> RECORD YOUR
10/15/09 11:26:19 VOTE PLEASE.
10/15/09 11:26:22 >> MOTION
10/15/09 11:26:22 CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
10/15/09 11:26:25 >> ITEM 83 IS OUR LAST ITEM
10/15/09 11:26:26 FOR
10/15/09 11:26:28 THE MORNING.
10/15/09 11:26:28 ITEM 83.
10/15/09 11:26:30 >> THAT'S A CONTINUED PUBLIC
10/15/09 11:26:30 HEARING.
10/15/09 11:26:33 DID YOU WANT TO SWEAR IN
10/15/09 11:26:34 THE
10/15/09 11:26:34 WITNESSES?
10/15/09 11:26:35 >> IF YOU HAVE NOT BEEN SWORN,
10/15/09 11:26:38 WILL YOU STAND AT THIS
10/15/09 11:26:41 TIME AND
10/15/09 11:26:43 BE SWORN.
10/15/09 11:26:44 >> DID YOU SWEAR AND AFFIRM TO
10/15/09 11:26:46 TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE
10/15/09 11:26:47 TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE
10/15/09 11:26:47 TRUTH.
10/15/09 11:26:50 >>
10/15/09 11:26:53 I DO.
10/15/09 11:26:59 >> GOOD
10/15/09 11:27:00 MORNING.
10/15/09 11:27:04 ABBI
10/15/09 11:27:04 FIELD.
10/15/09 11:27:05 LAND DEVELOPMENT.
10/15/09 11:27:07 WE WERE HERE TWO WEEKS AGO AND
10/15/09 11:27:09 GOT INTO A DISCUSSION THAT
10/15/09 11:27:11 NEEDED CLARIFICATION ON SOME
10/15/09 11:27:11 ITEMS.
10/15/09 11:27:13 WHAT'S COMING TO YOU IS A
10/15/09 11:27:16 REVISION SHEET THAT GOES OVER
10/15/09 11:27:17 AND HAS FIVE BULLET POINTS THAT
10/15/09 11:27:20 GOES OVER THE CHANGES THAT HAVE
10/15/09 11:27:22 BEEN MADE SINCE WE CONTINUED
10/15/09 11:27:23 THE HEARING ON THE SITE PLAN.
10/15/09 11:27:26 WHAT I HAVE DONE IS MARKED
10/15/09 11:27:30 A
10/15/09 11:27:31 PLAN.
10/15/09 11:27:32 THERE'S ONE REQUIRED REQUESTED
10/15/09 11:27:33 REVISION AT THE BOTTOM.
10/15/09 11:27:34 IF YOU'LL STRIKE THAT.
10/15/09 11:27:37 I READ THE NOTE A LITTLE TOO
10/15/09 11:27:38 QUICKLY AND I SEE THE
10/15/09 11:27:41 INFORMATION I WANTED IN THERE
10/15/09 11:27:44 IS
10/15/09 11:27:47 IN THERE.
10/15/09 11:27:53 IT'S PRETTY LARGE.
10/15/09 11:27:54 YOU CAN PROBABLY SEE IT CLEARLY
10/15/09 11:27:56 FROM THERE IF I DO THIS.
10/15/09 11:27:58 I WAS LOOKING FOR THE EASEL,
10/15/09 11:28:00 BUT IT WASN'T THERE.
10/15/09 11:28:01 WHERE WE LEFT OFF LAST TIME,
10/15/09 11:28:03 THERE WAS SOME CONCERNS ABOUT
10/15/09 11:28:05 THE TWO STACKING HEIGHTS.
10/15/09 11:28:08 THE WAIVER THAT WAS REQUESTED.
10/15/09 11:28:11 ONE WAS FOR THE EAST SIDE OF
10/15/09 11:28:11 THE PROPERTY.
10/15/09 11:28:13 THEY HAVE DROPPED IT TO 60
10/15/09 11:28:13 FEET.
10/15/09 11:28:16 THAT'S THE AREA HERE IN
10/15/09 11:28:18 THE
10/15/09 11:28:18 YELLOW.
10/15/09 11:28:20 THERE WAS A WAIVER THAT WAS
10/15/09 11:28:22 MISSED AT LAST HEARING FOR THIS
10/15/09 11:28:23 ORANGE SECTION HERE.
10/15/09 11:28:24 THAT WAS TO INCREASE THE
10/15/09 11:28:27 STACKING HEIGHT FROM 6 FEET TO
10/15/09 11:28:28 15 FEET.
10/15/09 11:28:31 THIS WOULD BE THE 15-FOOT AREA
10/15/09 11:28:34 IN HERE IN
10/15/09 11:28:35 THE ORANGE.
10/15/09 11:28:36 BOTH OF THESE AREAS ARE GOING
10/15/09 11:28:38 TO PROVIDE A 30-FOOT BUFFER
10/15/09 11:28:40 FROM ANY PROPERTY THAT THEY DO
10/15/09 11:28:41 NOT CURRENTLY OWN.
10/15/09 11:28:43 IF THE FUTURE SHOULD THEY
10/15/09 11:28:46 ACQUIRE ANY OF THESE PROPERTY,
10/15/09 11:28:48 THE BUFFER COULD GO AWAY.
10/15/09 11:28:51 IN ADDITION THERE'S A
10/15/09 11:28:52 30-FOOT
10/15/09 11:28:55 LANDSCAPE BUFFER UP HERE SHOWN
10/15/09 11:28:56 IN GREEN.
10/15/09 11:28:57 DURING THE LAST HEARING, THERE
10/15/09 11:29:00 HAD BEEN CONCERNS RELATED TO A
10/15/09 11:29:01 WALL BEING PLACED.
10/15/09 11:29:04 I HAVE SHOWN THAT HERE IN PINK.
10/15/09 11:29:06 THERE WILL BE AN 8-FOOT SOUND
10/15/09 11:29:09 BARRIER PLACED IN THE SECTIONS
10/15/09 11:29:11 HERE IN PINK.
10/15/09 11:29:14 SO THAT PRETTY MUCH GOES OVER
10/15/09 11:29:16 THE REVISIONS.
10/15/09 11:29:19 THE LAST THING WAS THAT THERE
10/15/09 11:29:22 WAS ONE GRAND TREE THAT SINCE
10/15/09 11:29:25 THIS ALL
10/15/09 11:29:27 STARTED, THERE'S A
10/15/09 11:29:29 HAZARDOUS GRAND ON THE PROPERTY
10/15/09 11:29:32 THAT WHEN THEY LOOKED AT
10/15/09 11:29:35 REROUTEING TO PROTECT IT,
10/15/09 11:29:38 THE
10/15/09 11:29:39 CERTIFIED ARBORIST WENT OUT AND
10/15/09 11:29:42 LOOKED AT THE TREE.
10/15/09 11:29:43 IT IS IN HAZARDOUS STATES.
10/15/09 11:29:46 THEY HAVE
10/15/09 11:29:47 ADDED THAT TO THE
10/15/09 11:29:48 WAIVER OF REMOVAL.
10/15/09 11:29:51 IT WILL BE MITIGATED WITH
10/15/09 11:29:52 REPLACEMENT TREES.
10/15/09 11:29:54 SO THAT WAIVER DID CHANGE ALSO.
10/15/09 11:29:56 I THINK THAT'S A GOOD SUMMARY
10/15/09 11:29:59 OF WHERE WE ARE NOW ON
10/15/09 11:30:02 THE CASE.
10/15/09 11:30:08 STAFF IS AVAILABLE
10/15/09 11:30:11 FOR
10/15/09 11:30:13 ANY
10/15/09 11:30:13 QUESTIONS.
10/15/09 11:30:16 >> GOOD
10/15/09 11:30:19 MORNING.
10/15/09 11:30:19 JOHN GRANDOLF.
10/15/09 11:30:21 WE ARE IN ACCORD WITH THE
10/15/09 11:30:23 STAFF'S FINDINGS ON THE REVISED
10/15/09 11:30:25 SITE PLAN AND ASK FOR YOUR
10/15/09 11:30:28 APPROVAL THIS MORNING ON
10/15/09 11:30:30 FIRST
10/15/09 11:30:33 READING.
10/15/09 11:30:39 >> ANYONE WANT TO SPEAK ON
10/15/09 11:30:42 THIS
10/15/09 11:30:42 ISSUE?
10/15/09 11:30:45 >> MY NAME IS
10/15/09 11:30:48 SUE LYON.
10/15/09 11:30:50 WE DO NOT TAKE A POSITION ON
10/15/09 11:30:53 ANY PARTICULAR ZONING ISSUE,
10/15/09 11:30:56 BUT THEY DID OBJECT TO THE FACT
10/15/09 11:30:59 THAT THEY ARE
10/15/09 11:31:00 DOING 60-STACKING
10/15/09 11:31:03 OF AGATE WHEN THE RULES ARE
10/15/09 11:31:03 ONLY 6 FEET.
10/15/09 11:31:06 THIS IS A LOT OF DIFFERENCE.
10/15/09 11:31:09 NEIGHBORS DON'T
10/15/09 11:31:11 LIKE IT.
10/15/09 11:31:13 WE OBJECT TO THE STACKING
10/15/09 11:31:15 BECAUSE IT'S AGAINST THE
10/15/09 11:31:15 REGULATIONS.
10/15/09 11:31:18 THIS IS NOT AN
10/15/09 11:31:19 INDIVIDUAL
10/15/09 11:31:19 THING.
10/15/09 11:31:22 WE DON'T APPROVE OF IT.
10/15/09 11:31:25 I BELIEVE THEY HAVE SENT YOU
10/15/09 11:31:27 LETTERS ABOUT THAT.
10/15/09 11:31:29 I WOULD LOVE TO COME UP HERE
10/15/09 11:31:32 AND CRY ABOUT THE GRAND TREE.
10/15/09 11:31:35 IN 2008 IT WAS A NICE TREE.
10/15/09 11:31:38 NOW IT'S A HAZARDOUS
10/15/09 11:31:38 TREE.
10/15/09 11:31:38 THAT'S STRANGE.
10/15/09 11:31:40 I'M NOT GOING THERE.
10/15/09 11:31:41 I'M COMING AS A REPRESENTATIVE
10/15/09 11:31:42 AND SAY WE OBJECT.
10/15/09 11:31:45 I THANK YOU FOR
10/15/09 11:31:50 YOUR
10/15/09 11:31:53 CONSIDERATION.
10/15/09 11:31:59 >>
10/15/09 11:32:02 I'M PRESIDENT OF
10/15/09 11:32:05 THE YBOR
10/15/09 11:32:06 CIVIC ASSOCIATION.
10/15/09 11:32:07 THIS IS A COMMENCED PETITION,
10/15/09 11:32:10 BUT WE'RE AFRAID THAT BY
10/15/09 11:32:12 THEM
10/15/09 11:32:15 SETTING THE PRECEDENT ON
10/15/09 11:32:15 UPPING
10/15/09 11:32:16 THEIR HEIGHT THAT IT'S GOING TO
10/15/09 11:32:17 SET A PRECEDENT FOR THE ISSUE
10/15/09 11:32:18 THAT WE HAVE IN OUR
10/15/09 11:32:21 NEIGHBORHOOD WITH
10/15/09 11:32:23 THE
10/15/09 11:32:23 DEVELOPMENT.
10/15/09 11:32:25 I HEARD THEM SAY HE PASSED BY
10/15/09 11:32:27 THE ONE IN YBOR CITY AND THERE
10/15/09 11:32:29 WAS NO PROBLEM.
10/15/09 11:32:32 THERE'S A MAJOR PROBLEM.
10/15/09 11:32:35 I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY COUNCIL
10/15/09 11:32:36 HASN'T BROUGHT IN OSHA TO
10/15/09 11:32:38 CONTROL THESE IN ORDER TO
10/15/09 11:32:39 PROTECT THE PUBLIC.
10/15/09 11:32:42 THEY ARE CRUSHING
10/15/09 11:32:44 THE HEIGHT
10/15/09 11:32:45 LIMITS.
10/15/09 11:32:48 THE STACKS
10/15/09 11:32:50 ARE HUMUNGOUS.
10/15/09 11:32:53 JASON WATERS WITH THE
10/15/09 11:32:54 EPC SAID
10/15/09 11:32:56 THERE WAS TWO WARNINGS AND ONE
10/15/09 11:32:59 COMPLAINT
10/15/09 11:33:00 FROM KIMMINS.
10/15/09 11:33:03 THEY HAVE 7 COMPLAINTS
10/15/09 11:33:06 AND
10/15/09 11:33:10 FOUR
10/15/09 11:33:13 WARNINGS I KNOW THAT THEY
10/15/09 11:33:15 ARE
10/15/09 11:33:15 INDUSTRIAL.
10/15/09 11:33:16 KIMMINS I UNDERSTAND HAS A LOT
10/15/09 11:33:18 OF PROPERTY OUT TO THE EAST.
10/15/09 11:33:19 BUT THEY ARE FOLLOWING WHAT
10/15/09 11:33:20 THEY DO.
10/15/09 11:33:23 THEY HAVE A LITTLE 1-BLOCK AREA
10/15/09 11:33:25 IN YBOR CITY FROM 4th TO 5th
10/15/09 11:33:28 AND FROM 26th TO 27th.
10/15/09 11:33:30 THEY HAVE TWO CRUSHERS THERE.
10/15/09 11:33:31 THEY USED TO HAVE ONE CRUSHER
10/15/09 11:33:34 WHICH WAS THE BLUE ONE.
10/15/09 11:33:36 NOW THEY HAVE TWO THERE.
10/15/09 11:33:38 THE GENTLEMAN IS VERY SWEET AND
10/15/09 11:33:41 NICE TRYING TO WORK WITH OUR
10/15/09 11:33:42 NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
10/15/09 11:33:45 THEY HAVE INSTALLED A SPRINKLER
10/15/09 11:33:46 SYSTEM, BUT THEY ARE WATERING
10/15/09 11:33:48 OUR BRICK ON 4th AVENUE.
10/15/09 11:33:50 THEY ARE NOT FACING WHERE THEY
10/15/09 11:33:50 ARE CRUSHING.
10/15/09 11:33:53 AND THEY ARE UNDER A
10/15/09 11:33:54 GREAT
10/15/09 11:33:56 MISUNDERSTANDING THAT THEY ONLY
10/15/09 11:33:58 HAVE TO RUN THE SYSTEM WHEN THE
10/15/09 11:33:59 CRUSHERS ARE GOING.
10/15/09 11:34:01 WHEN THE FRONT LOADERS ARE
10/15/09 11:34:03 MOVING THE CONCRETE, THEY DON'T
10/15/09 11:34:06 HAVE TO RUN THE
10/15/09 11:34:06 SYSTEMS.
10/15/09 11:34:09 THE EPC TOLD THEM THAT THEY
10/15/09 11:34:12 NEEDED A MAN TO
10/15/09 11:34:14 HOLD A HOSE.
10/15/09 11:34:16 OSHA NEEDS TO BE BROUGHT IN.
10/15/09 11:34:18 I DON'T THINK IT'S SAFE FOR THE
10/15/09 11:34:20 MAN HOLDING THE HOSE TO HAVE
10/15/09 11:34:21 ANY PROTECTION.
10/15/09 11:34:23 WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S IN THERE.
10/15/09 11:34:26 WHAT UPSET ME WORSE
10/15/09 11:34:28 IS THAT I
10/15/09 11:34:31 COMMON DEERED A CITY OF TRUCKS
10/15/09 11:34:33 WITH BOULDERS GOING INTO THE
10/15/09 11:34:34 CONSTRUCTION SITE TO DUMP TO BE
10/15/09 11:34:37 CRUSHED IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD,
10/15/09 11:34:38 WHICH ADDED MORE PROBLEMS.
10/15/09 11:34:41 I ASKED THE DRIVER, I SAID
10/15/09 11:34:42 WHERE YOU COMING FROM?
10/15/09 11:34:44 I SAID I'M COMING FROM A
10/15/09 11:34:46 CONSTRUCTION SITE AT 9th STREET
10/15/09 11:34:47 AND CLIFF TON.
10/15/09 11:34:49 YOU MEAN WE HAVE BEEN
10/15/09 11:34:50 COMPLAINING ABOUT OUR AIR
10/15/09 11:34:51 QUALITY AND OUR BREATHING
10/15/09 11:34:52 ISSUES HERE AND THE CITY OF
10/15/09 11:34:55 TAMPA IS USING THIS FACILITY?
10/15/09 11:34:58 I WAS TOLD AFTER A LOT
10/15/09 11:35:01 OF
10/15/09 11:35:01 INVESTIGATION THAT THEY GAVE
10/15/09 11:35:03 THE CITY OF TAMPA ONE FREE
10/15/09 11:35:05 TRUCKLOAD A MONTH.
10/15/09 11:35:08 I SAID WHAT DOES THAT SAVE
10/15/09 11:35:09 THE
10/15/09 11:35:09 CITY?
10/15/09 11:35:11 HE SAID $125.
10/15/09 11:35:14 I SAID I DON'T MEAN TO BE RUDE,
10/15/09 11:35:17 BUT I DON'T CARE ABOUT
10/15/09 11:35:19 THEM
10/15/09 11:35:20 SPENDING MONEY TO DUMP
10/15/09 11:35:21 SOMEWHERE ELSE.
10/15/09 11:35:23 THE REASON THE ASSOCIATION CAME
10/15/09 11:35:26 IS THAT KIMMINS, ALL
10/15/09 11:35:27 THE
10/15/09 11:35:30 LITERATURE I GOT THROUGH THE
10/15/09 11:35:33 CREMATORIES AND FOR THE ROCK
10/15/09 11:35:35 CRUSHING IS THE PRECEDENT
10/15/09 11:35:36 SETTING THAT THEY WILL BE DOING
10/15/09 11:35:39 EVERYBODY ELSE IN THE CITY WILL
10/15/09 11:35:39 FOLLOW.
10/15/09 11:35:40 >> THANK YOU.
10/15/09 11:35:42 >> MA'AM, CAN I ASK YOU A
10/15/09 11:35:42 QUESTION.
10/15/09 11:35:45 YOU MENTIONED MY NAME AND
10/15/09 11:35:46 SAID
10/15/09 11:35:46 WHAT?
10/15/09 11:35:48 >> IT WAS TWO WEEKS AGO.
10/15/09 11:35:51 THIS WAS BROUGHT UP BEFORE THE
10/15/09 11:35:51 EXTENSION.
10/15/09 11:35:53 I HEARD YOU SAY THEY WERE
10/15/09 11:35:56 TALKING
10/15/09 11:35:57 ABOUT KIMMINS.
10/15/09 11:35:59 YOU SAID YOU PASSED BY THE
10/15/09 11:36:01 BUSINESS AND I DIDN'T NOTICE A
10/15/09 11:36:03 PROBLEM THERE.
10/15/09 11:36:04 >> NO.
10/15/09 11:36:04 I NEVER SAID THAT.
10/15/09 11:36:06 I SAID THAT THERE'S A GENTLEMAN
10/15/09 11:36:09 OUT ON BARRIS AVENUE WHO
10/15/09 11:36:11 HAS A
10/15/09 11:36:13 CEMENT BUSINESS.
10/15/09 11:36:14 HE SPRAYS HIS PILE OF STUFF.
10/15/09 11:36:17 I NEVER SAID I WENT DOWN TO
10/15/09 11:36:20 YBOR CITY, BECAUSE I DID NOT.
10/15/09 11:36:23 I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU
10/15/09 11:36:24 GOT
10/15/09 11:36:24 THAT.
10/15/09 11:36:25 >> THAT WAS THE REASON BECAUSE
10/15/09 11:36:26 OF THAT COMMENT.
10/15/09 11:36:29 >> NEXT
10/15/09 11:36:32 SPEAKER.
10/15/09 11:36:33 THANK YOU.
10/15/09 11:36:36 >> MY NAME
10/15/09 11:36:39 IS DOT CATEL.
10/15/09 11:36:41 I LIVE IN TAMPA, FLORIDA.
10/15/09 11:36:44 I AM SPEAKING ON BEHALF
10/15/09 11:36:47 OF
10/15/09 11:36:49 SHIRLEY RAMSY WHO CAN'T SIT
10/15/09 11:36:52 STILL VERY LONG SO
10/15/09 11:36:53 SHE LEFT.
10/15/09 11:36:56 BUT I AND THE PEOPLE IN MY
10/15/09 11:36:57 TRAILER PARK COMMUNITY ARE
10/15/09 11:37:01 COMPLETELY AGAINST
10/15/09 11:37:01 KIMMINS
10/15/09 11:37:03 CONTRACTING CORPORATION
10/15/09 11:37:06 PETITION TO
10/15/09 11:37:09 REZONE 5507 AND
10/15/09 11:37:12 5313 EAST
10/15/09 11:37:16 BROADWAY AVENUE.
10/15/09 11:37:19 THE APPLICANT WILL BE SEEKING
10/15/09 11:37:22 TO CONSOLIDATE THE ADDRESSES
10/15/09 11:37:23 LISTED UNDER A PLANNED
10/15/09 11:37:25 DEVELOPMENT ZONING
10/15/09 11:37:25 DESIGNATION.
10/15/09 11:37:27 SUCH AN APPROVAL COULD PROVIDE
10/15/09 11:37:30 THE LAND OPERATOR THE AUTHORITY
10/15/09 11:37:31 TO EXPAND THEIR INDUSTRIAL
10/15/09 11:37:34 ACTIVITIES AT THIS SITE OR
10/15/09 11:37:35 PERMIT NEW INDUSTRIAL
10/15/09 11:37:36 ACTIVITIES IN ADDITION TO THOSE
10/15/09 11:37:38 WHICH ALREADY EXIST.
10/15/09 11:37:40 THE PURPOSE OF THIS NOTICE IS
10/15/09 11:37:43 TO INFORM YOU OF
10/15/09 11:37:43 THE APPLICANTS
10/15/09 11:37:45 PROPOSAL SO YOU CAN BECOME
10/15/09 11:37:47 ENGAGED IN THE PUBLIC PROCESS
10/15/09 11:37:50 AFFORDED TO PROTECT YOUR
10/15/09 11:37:51 PROPERTY RIGHTS.
10/15/09 11:37:53 NOW I PERSONALLY WENT DOOR TO
10/15/09 11:37:55 DOOR IN THIS MOBILE HOME PARK.
10/15/09 11:37:57 I THINK IT WAS A COUPLE YEARS
10/15/09 11:38:00 AGO WHEN YOU WERE MEETING
10/15/09 11:38:03 TEMPORARILY IN
10/15/09 11:38:06 ANOTHER
10/15/09 11:38:07 PLACE.
10/15/09 11:38:09 THERE'S A LOT OF DUST AND DIRT.
10/15/09 11:38:12 I SORT OF REPRESENT THIS
10/15/09 11:38:15 MAN
10/15/09 11:38:19 BACK HERE.
10/15/09 11:38:22 I'M JUST SAYING THIS THIS IS A
10/15/09 11:38:25 RESIDENTIAL AREA AS
10/15/09 11:38:26 WELL.
10/15/09 11:38:27 IT'S VERY DETRIMENTAL TO THE
10/15/09 11:38:30 HEALTH OF THE
10/15/09 11:38:36 INDIVIDUALS THERE.
10/15/09 11:38:51 THE RESIDENTIAL IS TO THE
10/15/09 11:38:52 WEST.
10/15/09 11:38:53 WE TRIED TO PUSH THE HEAVIER
10/15/09 11:38:56 ACTIVITY TOWARDS THE EAST.
10/15/09 11:38:58 I'M NOT SAYING THERE WON'T BE
10/15/09 11:39:00 ANY ACTIVITY ON THE WEST SIDE
10/15/09 11:39:02 BECAUSE THERE WILL BE SOME, BUT
10/15/09 11:39:04 THEY NEED TO REDUCE THE STACKS
10/15/09 11:39:06 DOWN TO 15 FEET INSTEAD OF 60
10/15/09 11:39:09 FEET ON THE WEST SIDE AND MOVE
10/15/09 11:39:12 THEIR HEAVIER STUFF AND TALLER
10/15/09 11:39:13 STUFF TO THE EAST SIDE.
10/15/09 11:39:16 DID YOU SEE ALL THAT?
10/15/09 11:39:16 >> YES.
10/15/09 11:39:19 I RECALL
10/15/09 11:39:21 THAT.
10/15/09 11:39:21 >> OKAY.
10/15/09 11:39:24 >> ALL I'M HERE TO DO IS
10/15/09 11:39:27 REPRESENT THE RESIDENTS THAT
10/15/09 11:39:28 LIVE THERE.
10/15/09 11:39:30 I JUST DON'T THINK --I WOULD
10/15/09 11:39:33 LIKE TO SEE KIMMINS
10/15/09 11:39:34 GO FARTHER
10/15/09 11:39:35 OUT IF POSSIBLE.
10/15/09 11:39:37 >> THANK YOU.
10/15/09 11:39:37 MA'AM.
10/15/09 11:39:40 I WAS JUST WONDERING.
10/15/09 11:39:42 THE TRAILER HOME PARK IS TO THE
10/15/09 11:39:45 NORTH AND EAST OF
10/15/09 11:39:46 THIS SITE?
10/15/09 11:39:49 >> IT'S JUST RIGHT
10/15/09 11:39:52 ON 54th.
10/15/09 11:39:55 >> COULD YOU SHOW US ON
10/15/09 11:40:01 THE MAP.
10/15/09 11:40:09 >> THANK YOU.
10/15/09 11:40:12 >> NEXT SPEAKER.
10/15/09 11:40:14 >> GOOD MORNING.
10/15/09 11:40:17 MY
10/15/09 11:40:20 NAME IS
10/15/09 11:40:21 REGINA HILLS.
10/15/09 11:40:24 I LIVE ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE
10/15/09 11:40:26 KIMMINS.
10/15/09 11:40:28 >> COULD YOU SHOW US ON THE MAP
10/15/09 11:40:31 THAT'S RIGHT
10/15/09 11:40:31 THERE.
10/15/09 11:40:35 MAPS
10/15/09 11:40:38 REALLY HELP.
10/15/09 11:40:47 THANK YOU.
10/15/09 11:40:56 THESE PEOPLE HAVE LIVED HERE
10/15/09 11:40:57 FOR FIVE YEARS.
10/15/09 11:41:00 IT'S A GRANDMOTHER AND HER
10/15/09 11:41:01 SON
10/15/09 11:41:02 AND GRANDDAUGHTER AND A FRIEND
10/15/09 11:41:05 THAT'S LIVING THERE.
10/15/09 11:41:09 THIS SENIOR HAS REAL BAD
10/15/09 11:41:12 RESPIRATORY
10/15/09 11:41:13 PROBLEMS.
10/15/09 11:41:15 WITH KIMMINS, THE AMOUNT OF
10/15/09 11:41:17 DUST THAT PENETRATES THAT HOME
10/15/09 11:41:20 ON A DAILY BASIS IS RIDICULOUS
10/15/09 11:41:22 TO THE POINT WHERE YOU
10/15/09 11:41:25 LITERALLY HAVE TO WIPE STUFF
10/15/09 11:41:28 DOWN
10/15/09 11:41:31 EVERY DAY.
10/15/09 11:41:37 PLUS
10/15/09 11:41:38 THEY START AT 5 A.M.
10/15/09 11:41:40 IN THE MORNING.
10/15/09 11:41:43 THIS DOES
10/15/09 11:41:43 IS CONSTANT.
10/15/09 11:41:45 I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU CAN DO TO
10/15/09 11:41:48 HELP THEM IN THIS SITUATION,
10/15/09 11:41:51 BUT THEY HAVE BEEN THERE
10/15/09 11:41:51 AND
10/15/09 11:41:52 BEFORE THAT THE PROPERTY WAS
10/15/09 11:41:53 EMPTY FOR FOUR YEARS.
10/15/09 11:41:54 THE PERSON THAT ACTUALLY GAVE
10/15/09 11:41:57 THEM THE KEYS TO
10/15/09 11:41:59 THE PROPERTY
10/15/09 11:42:00 WAS A THE STRANGE FAMILY.
10/15/09 11:42:04 THEY GAVE THEM THE
10/15/09 11:42:07 PROPERTY
10/15/09 11:42:07 THERE.
10/15/09 11:42:10 IF YOU COULD HELP THEM IN
10/15/09 11:42:12 ANY
10/15/09 11:42:15 WAY, DAVID RODRIGUEZ, I
10/15/09 11:42:17 WOULD
10/15/09 11:42:17 APPRECIATE IT.
10/15/09 11:42:18 >> I BELIEVE THE RULES SAY YOU
10/15/09 11:42:20 CAN START MAKING NOISE AT 7.
10/15/09 11:42:23 HAVE YOU EVER CALLED THE CITY
10/15/09 11:42:25 TO COMPLAIN?
10/15/09 11:42:28 >> THE PEOPLE ON BOTH SIDES, I
10/15/09 11:42:30 DIDN'T EVEN KNOW ABOUT THIS
10/15/09 11:42:33 UNTIL TODAY THEY CALLED TO LET
10/15/09 11:42:34 ME KNOW THAT SOMEONE NEEDED TO
10/15/09 11:42:37 COME DOWN TO SPEAK FOR THEM.
10/15/09 11:42:40 >> HAVE THEY EVER COMPLAINED TO
10/15/09 11:42:41 THE EPC?
10/15/09 11:42:44 >> THEY
10/15/09 11:42:45 ARE BILINGUAL.
10/15/09 11:42:46 MISS RODRIGUEZ DOESN'T READ
10/15/09 11:42:47 VERY WELL.
10/15/09 11:42:50 THEY CALLED ME THIS MORNING.
10/15/09 11:42:51 I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY PAPER WORK
10/15/09 11:42:54 OTHER THAN WHAT I JUST SAW
10/15/09 11:42:57 ON
10/15/09 11:42:58 YOUR AGENDA.
10/15/09 11:42:58 >> THANK YOU.
10/15/09 11:43:01 >> I'M HERE TO JUST LET YOU
10/15/09 11:43:03 KNOW THEIR SITUATION AT THIS
10/15/09 11:43:03 PRESENT TIME.
10/15/09 11:43:07 IF YOU COULD POSSIBLY HELP BY
10/15/09 11:43:10 REDUCING THE AMOUNT
10/15/09 11:43:11 OF STUFFS
10/15/09 11:43:14 THAT CONTAINED BEHIND THEIR
10/15/09 11:43:16 HOUSE, THEY WOULD BE MORE THAN
10/15/09 11:43:16 GRATEFUL.
10/15/09 11:43:17 >> THANK YOU.
10/15/09 11:43:20 >> I APPRECIATE
10/15/09 11:43:21 IT.
10/15/09 11:43:22 THANK YOU.
10/15/09 11:43:25 >> I
10/15/09 11:43:28 HAD
10/15/09 11:43:29 A QUESTION.
10/15/09 11:43:32 WE ALREADY VOTED
10/15/09 11:43:33 ON THE AGENDA
10/15/09 11:43:36 FOR THE VACATING OF THIS
10/15/09 11:43:36 PROPERTY.
10/15/09 11:43:39 I THINK LAST TIME THEY
10/15/09 11:43:42 WERE
10/15/09 11:43:42 TOGETHER.
10/15/09 11:43:45 WOULD IT BE APPROPRIATE TO
10/15/09 11:43:46 ASK
10/15/09 11:43:49 AT THIS POINT, DID
10/15/09 11:43:50 WE ASK IF
10/15/09 11:43:52 THERE WAS PUBLIC COMMENT ON
10/15/09 11:43:52 THAT?
10/15/09 11:43:54 >> WE DID BECAUSE I REMEMBER.
10/15/09 11:43:56 >> THANK YOU.
10/15/09 11:43:57 >>> GOOD MORNING.
10/15/09 11:44:00 I LIVE AT 2319
10/15/09 11:44:02 EAST 5th
10/15/09 11:44:03 AVENUE.
10/15/09 11:44:05 MY CONCERN AND MY OBJECTION TO
10/15/09 11:44:08 THIS REZONING IS ON THE SAME
10/15/09 11:44:10 BASIS AS THE OTHERS.
10/15/09 11:44:13 ANY DECISION MADE ON THE STACK
10/15/09 11:44:16 HEIGHTS COULD IMPACT US THAT
10/15/09 11:44:19 LIVE NEAR TO
10/15/09 11:44:20 THIS AREA.
10/15/09 11:44:24 I HAVE RECENTLY --I'M TWO
10/15/09 11:44:27 BLOCKS BY THE
10/15/09 11:44:28 WAY FROM THEM.
10/15/09 11:44:31 I HAVE
10/15/09 11:44:34 RECENTLY HAD MY HOUSE
10/15/09 11:44:37 SPRAY WASHED AND CLEANED
10/15/09 11:44:39 UP TO
10/15/09 11:44:40 RENOVATE IT.
10/15/09 11:44:42 IT'S AN HISTORIC HOUSE.
10/15/09 11:44:43 ALTHOUGH YOU COULD EASILY
10/15/09 11:44:46 CONFUSE ME WITH ONE OF THE PAN
10/15/09 11:44:47 HANDERS YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT
10/15/09 11:44:50 EARLIER, I HAVE GOT
10/15/09 11:44:51 A DOCTORATE
10/15/09 11:44:53 IN CHEMISTRY AND A FELLOW OF
10/15/09 11:44:54 THE ROYAL SOCIETY IN ENGLAND
10/15/09 11:44:55 FOR 37 YEARS.
10/15/09 11:44:58 I HAVE SOME
10/15/09 11:45:00 SCIENTIFIC
10/15/09 11:45:00 BACKGROUND.
10/15/09 11:45:02 I DID TEST THE DUST WATER THAT
10/15/09 11:45:05 I TOOK OFF MY
10/15/09 11:45:06 HOUSE.
10/15/09 11:45:08 THE NATURAL BACKGROUND DUST IN
10/15/09 11:45:11 CENTRAL FLORIDA IS ACIDIC.
10/15/09 11:45:14 THIS DUST IS ALKALINE.
10/15/09 11:45:16 IT CLEARLY COMES FROM THE
10/15/09 11:45:19 CRUSHING
10/15/09 11:45:22 OF CONCRETE.
10/15/09 11:45:25 THIS PRESENTS A HEALTH HAZARD.
10/15/09 11:45:25 IT'S DANGEROUS.
10/15/09 11:45:27 IT ATTACKS THE PAINT ON
10/15/09 11:45:28 PEOPLE'S HOMES.
10/15/09 11:45:30 I REALLY THINK THAT YOU SHOULD
10/15/09 11:45:33 CONSIDER
10/15/09 11:45:33 THE IMPACT.
10/15/09 11:45:35 EVEN THESE HUNDRED FEET AWAY
10/15/09 11:45:36 FROM THE AIR BOURN DUST.
10/15/09 11:45:38 THANK YOU FOR YOUR
10/15/09 11:45:38 CONSIDERATION.
10/15/09 11:45:41 >> DID YOU IDENTIFY WHERE YOU
10/15/09 11:45:44 WERE ON THIS MAP?
10/15/09 11:45:47 >> IT'S PROBABLY
10/15/09 11:45:48 OFF THE MAP.
10/15/09 11:45:51 WE'RE IN YBOR
10/15/09 11:45:51 CITY.
10/15/09 11:45:54 WE ARE VERY NEAR TO THE
10/15/09 11:45:55 SIMILAR
10/15/09 11:45:58 PROPERTY THAT IS CRUSHING THE
10/15/09 11:46:02 ROCK.
10/15/09 11:46:02 >> OKAY.
10/15/09 11:46:05 >> THANK YOU.
10/15/09 11:46:07 >> GOOD AFTERNOON.
10/15/09 11:46:10 I'M
10/15/09 11:46:11 JAMES WILSON.
10/15/09 11:46:15 I'M ALSO IN OPPOSITION OF
10/15/09 11:46:15 THIS.
10/15/09 11:46:16 THERE'S CONSTANTLY DUST
10/15/09 11:46:17 PROBLEMS ON THE DUST OF THE
10/15/09 11:46:17 HOUSE.
10/15/09 11:46:19 THERE'S A WASHER AND DRIER BACK
10/15/09 11:46:19 THERE.
10/15/09 11:46:22 WE HAVE ALL SORTS OF
10/15/09 11:46:24 ISSUES
10/15/09 11:46:27 WITH DUST AND DIESEL
10/15/09 11:46:28 FUEL
10/15/09 11:46:28 PRODUCTS.
10/15/09 11:46:31 I'M DEFINITELY IN OPPOSITION OF
10/15/09 11:46:34 THE
10/15/09 11:46:37 SITUATION.
10/15/09 11:46:37 THANK YOU.
10/15/09 11:46:40 >> ANYONE ELSE FROM
10/15/09 11:46:43 THE
10/15/09 11:46:43 PUBLIC?
10/15/09 11:46:46 >> GOOD
10/15/09 11:46:47 AFTERNOON.
10/15/09 11:46:47 ALMOST.
10/15/09 11:46:47 LINDA PEARSON.
10/15/09 11:46:50 I'M A PLANNER REPRESENTING
10/15/09 11:46:51 A
10/15/09 11:46:52 COUPLE WHO HAVE A WAIVER HERE
10/15/09 11:46:55 IN
10/15/09 11:46:58 THE AUDIENCE.
10/15/09 11:47:13 >> YOU HAVE FOUR NAMES.
10/15/09 11:47:16 >> THREE OF THEM HAD
10/15/09 11:47:16 TO LEAVE.
10/15/09 11:47:19 THE
10/15/09 11:47:21 BLOND LADIES WERE HERE ALL
10/15/09 11:47:24 MORNING AND HAD
10/15/09 11:47:29 TO LEAVE.
10/15/09 11:47:32 >> ONCE AGAIN,
10/15/09 11:47:35 MR. ANTNORI
10/15/09 11:47:38 RESIDES HERE ON THE WEST SIDE
10/15/09 11:47:40 OF THE ENTRY ROAD THAT WILL BE
10/15/09 11:47:43 CREATED FOR
10/15/09 11:47:46 THE
10/15/09 11:47:46 PROJECT.
10/15/09 11:47:49 THE LADIES WERE ALL RESIDENTS
10/15/09 11:47:52 OF THE MOBILE HOME
10/15/09 11:47:53 PARK.
10/15/09 11:47:54 PREVIOUSLY, TWO HEARINGS AGO WE
10/15/09 11:47:57 HAD TESTIMONY FROM KIMMINS
10/15/09 11:47:57 THAT
10/15/09 11:48:00 THE STACK YOU SEE IS BETWEEN
10/15/09 11:48:03 45
10/15/09 11:48:05 AND 50 FEET.
10/15/09 11:48:08 I SHARE THIS TO YOU ONLY TO
10/15/09 11:48:09 DEMONSTRATE THAT THEY ARE
10/15/09 11:48:12 ASKING FOR
10/15/09 11:48:14 A 60-FOOT HEIGHT
10/15/09 11:48:16 WHICH THEY STILL REMAIN OPPOSED
10/15/09 11:48:16 TO.
10/15/09 11:48:18 I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SUBMIT
10/15/09 11:48:20 SOME OF THE OTHERS.
10/15/09 11:48:22 I HAVE COPIES FOR EACH OF YOU
10/15/09 11:48:25 IF I
10/15/09 11:48:31 COULD PLEASE.
10/15/09 11:48:34 I KNOW YOU HAVE A DIFFICULT JOB
10/15/09 11:48:36 AS COUNCIL MEMBERS IN BALANCING
10/15/09 11:48:38 THE NEEDS OF INDUSTRY AND THAT
10/15/09 11:48:41 OF THE COMMUNITY RESIDENTS, BUT
10/15/09 11:48:43 THE RESIDENTS IN THIS AREA
10/15/09 11:48:46 ALTHOUGH
10/15/09 11:48:49 THEY HAVE WORKED GOOD
10/15/09 11:48:52 WITH
10/15/09 11:48:53 THEM AND STAY IN TOUCH
10/15/09 11:48:56 WITH US, THEY STILL ARE MAIN
10/15/09 11:48:59 OPPOSED TO THE 60-FOOT HEIGHT.
10/15/09 11:49:00 WE PRESENTED INFORMATION AND
10/15/09 11:49:01 SUBMITTED IT WEEKS AGO ABOUT
10/15/09 11:49:04 THE HEALTH CONCERNS ASSOCIATED
10/15/09 11:49:05 WITH THE CONCRETE.
10/15/09 11:49:07 I TRUST THAT REMAINS IN THE
10/15/09 11:49:07 RECORD.
10/15/09 11:49:09 THEY HAVE ADDED A NOTE ON THE
10/15/09 11:49:11 SITE PLAN ON THE REVISED SITE
10/15/09 11:49:14 PLAN THAT EPC HAS BEEN
10/15/09 11:49:15 ADDED
10/15/09 11:49:18 RELATIVE TO THE
10/15/09 11:49:18 DUST
10/15/09 11:49:19 MANAGEMENT.
10/15/09 11:49:20 TESTIMONY FROM OTHER RESIDENTS.
10/15/09 11:49:22 THE DUST DOES CONTINUE TO BLOW
10/15/09 11:49:24 FROM TIME TO TIME WHEN THERE
10/15/09 11:49:26 ARE WINDS AND DRY SEASONS.
10/15/09 11:49:27 THE OPERATIONS OF OPERATION
10/15/09 11:49:30 HAVE ALSO BEEN PREVIOUSLY
10/15/09 11:49:30 MENTIONED.
10/15/09 11:49:33 THEY ARE PROPOSED 7-6 MONDAY
10/15/09 11:49:34 THROUGH FRIDAY.
10/15/09 11:49:36 WE'RE OKAY WITH THAT, BUT THEY
10/15/09 11:49:37 ARE ALSO PROPOSED THOSE SAME
10/15/09 11:49:39 HOURS ON SATURDAY.
10/15/09 11:49:40 THE RESIDENTS IN THAT AREA
10/15/09 11:49:42 THINK THAT'S A LITTLE TOO MUCH.
10/15/09 11:49:43 WE UNDERSTAND THAT THEY ARE
10/15/09 11:49:46 ALSO UNDER CONTRACT WITH THE
10/15/09 11:49:48 CITY FOR PROVIDING EMERGENCY
10/15/09 11:49:49 SERVICES AND REMOVAL.
10/15/09 11:49:51 WE UNDERSTAND THAT THERE MAY BE
10/15/09 11:49:54 TIMES OUTSIDE THESE HOURS OF
10/15/09 11:49:57 OPERATIONS THAT THEY MAY BE
10/15/09 11:49:59 CALLED UPON.
10/15/09 11:50:02 BUT ON SATURDAYS 9 TO NOON IS
10/15/09 11:50:02 ENOUGH.
10/15/09 11:50:05 THIS IS STILL A MIXED BAG OF
10/15/09 11:50:06 USES.
10/15/09 11:50:07 IT HAS COMMERCIAL.
10/15/09 11:50:09 IT HAS LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.
10/15/09 11:50:11 NOW WE'RE INTRODUCING THE HEAVY
10/15/09 11:50:11 INDUSTRIAL.
10/15/09 11:50:14 THERE'S STILL SINGLE FAMILY
10/15/09 11:50:14 RESIDENTS THERE.
10/15/09 11:50:15 WE BELIEVE THAT THEY NEED SOME
10/15/09 11:50:18 TIME TO HAVE PEACE AND QUIET
10/15/09 11:50:19 AND ENJOY THE OUTDOOR
10/15/09 11:50:22 ACTIVITIES IN THEIR OWN HOME.
10/15/09 11:50:24 WE WOULD REQUEST THAT TIME FROM
10/15/09 11:50:25 SATURDAY AFTERNOON AND NO
10/15/09 11:50:27 SUNDAY HOURS THEY HAVE AGREED
10/15/09 11:50:27 TO.
10/15/09 11:50:30 THE SCRAP METAL USES IN
10/15/09 11:50:32 CLOSE
10/15/09 11:50:32 PROXIMITY.
10/15/09 11:50:35 THE CORPORATION HAS AGREED NOT
10/15/09 11:50:37 TO UTILIZE THE AREA IN THIS
10/15/09 11:50:40 LOCATION FOR THAT 15-FOOT PIPE.
10/15/09 11:50:43 THEY ARE LIMITING THAT TO
10/15/09 11:50:48 THIS
10/15/09 11:50:51 AREA.
10/15/09 11:50:54 THEY HAVE GRACIOUSLY TO PUT
10/15/09 11:50:55 THE
10/15/09 11:50:58 NOISE BARRIER WALL AT THIS
10/15/09 11:50:58 LOCATION.
10/15/09 11:50:59 HE IS REQUESTING THAT
10/15/09 11:51:00 REPLACEMENT TREES BE PLACED ON
10/15/09 11:51:03 THE EAST SIDE OF
10/15/09 11:51:04 THAT FOR A
10/15/09 11:51:07 VISUAL BUFFER HOPEFULLY TO GROW
10/15/09 11:51:10 TO AN ENHANCEMENT OF THE NOISE
10/15/09 11:51:10 BUFFER.
10/15/09 11:51:13 I UNDERSTAND FROM DISCUSSIONS
10/15/09 11:51:14 WITH STAFF THAT IT WOULD BE
10/15/09 11:51:16 REQUIRED FOR THE TREES.
10/15/09 11:51:19 THE TREES WOULD NOT SURVIVE IN
10/15/09 11:51:19 THAT AREA.
10/15/09 11:51:22 I SUBMIT TO YOU
10/15/09 11:51:24 THAT THEIR SITE
10/15/09 11:51:27 PLAN SHOWS A
10/15/09 11:51:28 DISTANCE OF 30
10/15/09 11:51:31 FEET BETWEEN THE SHARED
10/15/09 11:51:32 PROPERTY LINE OF THE PROPERTY
10/15/09 11:51:34 AND THE EDGE OF THE EXISTING
10/15/09 11:51:35 POND.
10/15/09 11:51:38 IF THEY DO
10/15/09 11:51:40 NOT FEEL THAT A TREE
10/15/09 11:51:41 WOULD NOT GROW AND CONTINUE TO
10/15/09 11:51:44 GROW, THEN WE ASK THAT YOU
10/15/09 11:51:46 SHIFT YOUR POND OVER 10 FEET SO
10/15/09 11:51:49 WE COULD HAVE THOSE TREES THERE
10/15/09 11:51:52 TO HELP BUFFER THAT USE FOR HIS
10/15/09 11:51:52 FUTURE TENANTS.
10/15/09 11:51:54 WE WOULD JUST ASK YOU AGAIN
10/15/09 11:51:57 ONCE FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
10/15/09 11:51:58 WE UNDERSTAND YOU ARE A FINE
10/15/09 11:52:02 COMPANY, BUT THEY
10/15/09 11:52:03 ARE CERTAINLY
10/15/09 11:52:06 EXACTING THE
10/15/09 11:52:06 AREA.
10/15/09 11:52:07 THANK YOU.
10/15/09 11:52:09 >> I JUST HAD A QUICK QUESTION.
10/15/09 11:52:12 DID
10/15/09 11:52:15 THE EPC COME AND
10/15/09 11:52:17 LOOK AT
10/15/09 11:52:17 THIS?
10/15/09 11:52:20 DID ANY TESTING OR
10/15/09 11:52:20 MEASUREMENTS?
10/15/09 11:52:22 >> I DO NOT KNOW THAT.
10/15/09 11:52:25 >> I THOUGHT THAT WE HAD ASKED
10/15/09 11:52:26 FOR THAT.
10/15/09 11:52:27 I THOUGHT LINDA ASKED FOR THAT
10/15/09 11:52:30 AT THE
10/15/09 11:52:33 FIRST READING.
10/15/09 11:52:35 I
10/15/09 11:52:36 DON'T RECALL THAT.
10/15/09 11:52:38 >> MAYBE THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN.
10/15/09 11:52:40 >> I HAVE A QUESTION.
10/15/09 11:52:42 YOUR FIRST POINT IS OBJECT A
10/15/09 11:52:45 HEIGHT OF PROPOSED STOCKPILES.
10/15/09 11:52:48 DID YOU HAVE A SPECIFIC HEIGHT
10/15/09 11:52:51 THAT YOU WOULD BE MORE
10/15/09 11:52:57 COMFORTABLE WITH?
10/15/09 11:53:09 THE 60 FOOT STACKS WOULD BE THE
10/15/09 11:53:12 EASTERN
10/15/09 11:53:14 SIDE STACK.
10/15/09 11:53:16 >> 25 IS WHAT HE'S REQUESTING.
10/15/09 11:53:19 >> HAVE YOU
10/15/09 11:53:22 CONVERSED KIMMINS
10/15/09 11:53:28 ABOUT THAT.
10/15/09 11:53:48 >> I THINK YOU'RE BETTER OFF
10/15/09 11:53:51 WITH THE 60 FEET RATHER THAN
10/15/09 11:53:52 THE 90 FEET.
10/15/09 11:53:55 BY SPREADING IT OUT,
10/15/09 11:53:58 IT'S
10/15/09 11:54:01 A
10/15/09 11:54:04 PROBLEM.
10/15/09 11:54:10 >> I SPOKE WITH EPC THIS
10/15/09 11:54:11 MORNING.
10/15/09 11:54:13 THEY WERE WONDERING WHY YOU
10/15/09 11:54:16 HAVE NOT
10/15/09 11:54:19 CALLED
10/15/09 11:54:20 THEM.
10/15/09 11:54:23 >> IF
10/15/09 11:54:26 I CAN, AS A
10/15/09 11:54:27 SITTING BOARD
10/15/09 11:54:30 HEARING A REZONING JUDICIAL
10/15/09 11:54:31 MATTER, IT WOULD BE
10/15/09 11:54:33 INAPPROPRIATE FOR THIS BOARD TO
10/15/09 11:54:34 TAKE SUCH ACTION DURING THE
10/15/09 11:54:36 COURSE OF HEARING THIS.
10/15/09 11:54:38 IF THE ADMINISTRATION WISHED TO
10/15/09 11:54:40 OR A CONSTITUENT WISHED TO,
10/15/09 11:54:40 THAT'S DIFFERENT.
10/15/09 11:54:43 BUT IN A ROLE WHERE YOU'RE
10/15/09 11:54:46 SITTING
10/15/09 11:54:49 TODAY.
10/15/09 11:54:52 I UNDERSTAND.
10/15/09 11:54:55 >> CAN I
10/15/09 11:54:58 ASK
10/15/09 11:55:01 A QUESTION?
10/15/09 11:55:04 >> I REMEMBER
10/15/09 11:55:06 THIS COMING UP.
10/15/09 11:55:08 MAYBE YOU WARNED US OF THAT.
10/15/09 11:55:11 IS IT APPROPRIATE FOR US
10/15/09 11:55:14 TO ASK
10/15/09 11:55:17 OUR STAFF TO CONTACT
10/15/09 11:55:20 THE EPC?
10/15/09 11:55:45 >> CERTAINLY YOU CAN
10/15/09 11:55:45 REQUEST
10/15/09 11:55:46 STAFF OR THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT
10/15/09 11:55:49 TO CONTACT
10/15/09 11:55:51 THE EPC.
10/15/09 11:55:52 EPC'S JURISDICTION IS WHAT IT
10/15/09 11:55:53 IS.
10/15/09 11:55:54 THEY WOULD HAVE NO AUTHORITY TO
10/15/09 11:55:57 COME IN HERE AND
10/15/09 11:55:57 OBJECT.
10/15/09 11:55:59 >> I UNDERSTAND.
10/15/09 11:56:00 >> I ACCEPT THAT.
10/15/09 11:56:03 I HAVE
10/15/09 11:56:06 ANOTHER QUESTION.
10/15/09 11:56:08 UNRELATED TO THIS QUESTION JUST
10/15/09 11:56:11 OUT
10/15/09 11:56:14 OF CURIOSITY , WHOSE
10/15/09 11:56:15 JOB IS
10/15/09 11:56:17 IT TO ENFORCE THE CURRENT
10/15/09 11:56:18 HEIGHT RESTRICTIONS?
10/15/09 11:56:21 >> THE HEIGHT
10/15/09 11:56:22 RESTRICTION IS
10/15/09 11:56:25 DIRECTLY WITH
10/15/09 11:56:28 THE
10/15/09 11:56:31 ZONING.
10/15/09 11:56:40 >>
10/15/09 11:56:43 LET ME ORIENT YOU ON A
10/15/09 11:56:46 COUPLE THINGS.
10/15/09 11:56:49 THE YOUNG LADY WHO LEFT WITH
10/15/09 11:56:51 THE CHILD, SHE LIVES HERE ON
10/15/09 11:56:54 51st OR 52nd OR HER RELATIVES
10/15/09 11:56:55 DO.
10/15/09 11:56:58 THEY ARE OFF
10/15/09 11:57:01 THE MAP THEIR
10/15/09 11:57:04 MOBILE HOME PARK
10/15/09 11:57:08 IS HERE.
10/15/09 11:57:10 HE ALSO OWNS AND HAS A TENANT
10/15/09 11:57:11 ON THIS PROPERTY HERE.
10/15/09 11:57:15 I WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND
10/15/09 11:57:18 WHERE
10/15/09 11:57:24 EVERYONE IS.
10/15/09 11:57:34 >> I HAVE BEEN IN COMMUNICATION
10/15/09 11:57:36 FOR A YEAR AND A HALF BACK AND
10/15/09 11:57:36 FORTH.
10/15/09 11:57:40 THERE'S NO SURPRISE WHAT
10/15/09 11:57:41 WE'RE
10/15/09 11:57:41 DOING.
10/15/09 11:57:42 LET ME BACK UP.
10/15/09 11:57:45 ON THE HEIGHT, THIS IS
10/15/09 11:57:47 53rd
10/15/09 11:57:47 EXTENDED.
10/15/09 11:57:48 TO THIS SIDE IS EAST.
10/15/09 11:57:51 THAT IS THE 60-FOOT
10/15/09 11:57:54 HEIGHT
10/15/09 11:57:54 LIMITATION.
10/15/09 11:57:57 THIS IS THE 15-FOOT HEIGHT
10/15/09 11:57:57 LIMITATION.
10/15/09 11:57:59 SOUTH OF THE MOBILE HOME PARK
10/15/09 11:58:02 IS A 6-FOOT HEIGHT LIMITATION.
10/15/09 11:58:05 NO OPERATION IS GOING ON
10/15/09 11:58:08 IN
10/15/09 11:58:11 THAT AREA.
10/15/09 11:58:20 IT'S GOING
10/15/09 11:58:20 --
10/15/09 11:58:22 >> WE'RE COMING CLOSER TO THE
10/15/09 11:58:23 MOBILE HOME PARK.
10/15/09 11:58:26 IT'S
10/15/09 11:58:29 GOING 60-15-6.
10/15/09 11:58:38 NOTHING
10/15/09 11:58:40 AT ALL.
10/15/09 11:58:41 WE AGREED THAT HE WOULD TAKE
10/15/09 11:58:43 THE 60 AND THE 15 HERE IF WE
10/15/09 11:58:45 WOULD PUT A WALL AND THE TREE.
10/15/09 11:58:48 WE SAID WE'LL DO THE
10/15/09 11:58:49 WALL.
10/15/09 11:58:50 WE'RE REQUIRED TO DO NOTHING
10/15/09 11:58:53 BECAUSED UPON
10/15/09 11:58:54 OUR ZONING.
10/15/09 11:58:55 WE SAID WE CAN DO THE WALL.
10/15/09 11:58:57 THE TREES WILL NOT SURVIVE.
10/15/09 11:59:00 IT'S NOT AN EXPENDITURE ISSUE.
10/15/09 11:59:02 WE DON'T WANT TO GET INTO A
10/15/09 11:59:03 CONSTANT BACK AND FORTH OVER
10/15/09 11:59:06 THE YEARS IF THAT TREE DIED AND
10/15/09 11:59:06 REPLACING IT.
10/15/09 11:59:07 WE WANT TO BE DONE WITH IT.
10/15/09 11:59:09 IT'S NOT A SPENDING OF MONEY
10/15/09 11:59:10 ISSUE TO US.
10/15/09 11:59:12 I WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND.
10/15/09 11:59:15 WE'RE NOT TRYING TO BE THAT WAY
10/15/09 11:59:15 ABOUT IT.
10/15/09 11:59:17 SINCE WE HAVE REFUSED TO DO THE
10/15/09 11:59:19 THE TREES, HE'S NOW GONE BACK
10/15/09 11:59:21 ON HIS AGREEMENT TO THE 60 AND
10/15/09 11:59:23 THE 15 AND THAT'S WHERE THE 25
10/15/09 11:59:24 HAS COME FROM.
10/15/09 11:59:27 FAIR TO BE FAIR, THAT IS THE
10/15/09 11:59:29 THE BEST WE CAN DO RIGHT NOW.
10/15/09 11:59:30 WE WELCOME AN INSPECTION BY THE
10/15/09 11:59:33 EPC ON
10/15/09 11:59:35 THE SITE.
10/15/09 11:59:36 WE HAVE DAILY PROTOCALL OF
10/15/09 11:59:38 SPRAYING DOWN THE ROADS AND
10/15/09 11:59:39 KEEPING THE DUST DOWN.
10/15/09 11:59:42 BUT WE HAVE TO HAVE THE
10/15/09 11:59:44 60 FOOT
10/15/09 11:59:45 HEIGHT.
10/15/09 11:59:45 SIMILARLY ZONED PROPERTY IN
10/15/09 11:59:49 OTHER AREAS OF THE CITY
10/15/09 11:59:49 HAVE
10/15/09 11:59:52 MUCH HIGHER STACKING.
10/15/09 11:59:55 THE 6-FOOT STACKING IS A
10/15/09 11:59:58 VESTAGE OF TRYING TO GET RID OF
10/15/09 11:59:58 THE JUNK YARDS.
10/15/09 12:00:01 THAT'S WHERE THE 6 FEET CAME.
10/15/09 12:00:02 IT'S POORLY DRAFTED.
10/15/09 12:00:04 IT SHOULDN'T BE THERE.
10/15/09 12:00:06 THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE THE PDs
10/15/09 12:00:08 ASKING FOR THAT.
10/15/09 12:00:09 IF EVERYONE WAS LIMITED TO 6
10/15/09 12:00:12 FEET OF HEIGHT IN THESE
10/15/09 12:00:15 DISTRICTS, YOU'D
10/15/09 12:00:17 HAVE HUGE
10/15/09 12:00:20 AMOUNT OF HORIZONTAL ROOM.
10/15/09 12:00:22 THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY.
10/15/09 12:00:23 >> ANY QUESTIONS?
10/15/09 12:00:26 >> I'D LIKE TO ASK A
10/15/09 12:00:26 QUESTION.
10/15/09 12:00:30 DID
10/15/09 12:00:33 YOU REVIEW
10/15/09 12:00:36 THE
10/15/09 12:00:38 TIMES
10/15/09 12:00:41 REQUESTED?
10/15/09 12:00:44 >>
10/15/09 12:00:46 YES.
10/15/09 12:00:49 LET
10/15/09 12:00:50 ME EXPLAIN.
10/15/09 12:00:52 WE CAN MOVE THE MATERIAL
10/15/09 12:00:54 QUICKER AND KEEP THE STACKS
10/15/09 12:00:56 MOVING MORE EFFICIENTLY IF WE
10/15/09 12:00:58 CAN GET AS MUCH BREATH AS
10/15/09 12:00:59 POSSIBLE ON OPERATION HOURS.
10/15/09 12:01:02 >>
10/15/09 12:01:05 THANK YOU.
10/15/09 12:01:08 >> MATHEMATICALLY IN MY MIND,
10/15/09 12:01:10 I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HEIGHT
10/15/09 12:01:11 RATIO.
10/15/09 12:01:14 IF SOMETHING IS 60 FEET AND
10/15/09 12:01:14 THE
10/15/09 12:01:17 WALLS ARE 8
10/15/09 12:01:20 FEET, WHAT RATIO OF
10/15/09 12:01:22 VARIANCE DOES SOMETHING COME
10/15/09 12:01:24 OUT AND AT WHAT HEIGHT AND
10/15/09 12:01:26 DISTANCE IF THE STACK WAS AT 45
10/15/09 12:01:29 FEET AND THE FENCE WAS AT 12
10/15/09 12:01:32 FEET, WHAT'S
10/15/09 12:01:35 THE RATIO OF
10/15/09 12:01:38 MOVEMENT OF PAROLS
10/15/09 12:01:40 PARTICLES
10/15/09 12:01:41 IN THE AIR.
10/15/09 12:01:43 I CAN DO IT, BUT I DON'T HAVE
10/15/09 12:01:46 THE TIME RIGHT NOW.
10/15/09 12:01:49 WE'RE PAST 12.
10/15/09 12:01:50 I WANT TO BE FAIR TO THE
10/15/09 12:01:52 PETITIONER AND TO THE
10/15/09 12:01:52 RESIDENTS.
10/15/09 12:01:55 IF I HAD THAT INFORMATION, I
10/15/09 12:01:58 WOULD BE MORE ATONE TO WHAT WAS
10/15/09 12:02:01 GOING ON AND HOW MY VOTE
10/15/09 12:02:02 WOULD
10/15/09 12:02:02 COME OUT.
10/15/09 12:02:05 THIS COULD END UP IN A TIE
10/15/09 12:02:05 VOTE.
10/15/09 12:02:07 I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT IT IS,
10/15/09 12:02:09 BUT MAYBE WE OUGHT TO LISTEN TO
10/15/09 12:02:12 ALL THE ARGUMENTS ON BOTH SIDES
10/15/09 12:02:15 OF THE DEBATE TODAY
10/15/09 12:02:18 AND MAKE
10/15/09 12:02:20 OUR DECISION SO WE KNOW WE'RE
10/15/09 12:02:20 PREPARED.
10/15/09 12:02:23 IF WE HAD MORE INFORMATION ON
10/15/09 12:02:25 A
10/15/09 12:02:28 RATIO OF HEIGHT TO
10/15/09 12:02:31 FENCE
10/15/09 12:02:33 AND
10/15/09 12:02:36 MOVEMENT, THAT ALL CAN
10/15/09 12:02:39 BE
10/15/09 12:02:40 CALCULATED.
10/15/09 12:02:41 >> THE REASON WE HAD THE
10/15/09 12:02:43 PROBLEM BEFORE US IS BECAUSE
10/15/09 12:02:44 THE TRADITIONAL WAY THEY
10/15/09 12:02:47 DEVELOPED IS YOU HAD
10/15/09 12:02:47 INDUSTRIAL
10/15/09 12:02:49 USES NEAR THE RAILROAD TRACKS.
10/15/09 12:02:51 BUT YOU HAD RESIDENTIAL USES
10/15/09 12:02:53 MIXED IN WITH THEM.
10/15/09 12:02:54 IT'S THE CONFLICT BETWEEN THE
10/15/09 12:02:57 INDUSTRIAL AND RESIDENTIAL
10/15/09 12:02:58 THAT'S GIVING US GRIEF.
10/15/09 12:03:00 IF THERE'S NO PEOPLE HERE, IT
10/15/09 12:03:02 WOULD BE EASY.
10/15/09 12:03:05 BUT UNFORTUNATELY THERE ARE AND
10/15/09 12:03:07 IT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO
10/15/09 12:03:08 BALANCE THE NEEDS.
10/15/09 12:03:11 I THINK THE HEIGHTS ARE TOO
10/15/09 12:03:11 HIGH.
10/15/09 12:03:13 THE RESIDENTS ARE TOO CLOSE.
10/15/09 12:03:14 I HAVEN'T BEEN OUT THERE DURING
10/15/09 12:03:17 THE DAY TO LISTEN.
10/15/09 12:03:19 BUT WE SHOULD ALL GO OUT AND
10/15/09 12:03:21 HEAR WHAT KIND OF NOISE THIS
10/15/09 12:03:21 MAKES.
10/15/09 12:03:23 GO TO THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS AND
10/15/09 12:03:25 STAND THERE AND GET A SENSE OF
10/15/09 12:03:26 IT.
10/15/09 12:03:28 I WOULD BE OKAY OF CONTINUING
10/15/09 12:03:31 IT WITH THE IDEA THERE WOULD BE
10/15/09 12:03:32 NO MORE ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION
10/15/09 12:03:34 OTHER THAN OUR STAFF GIVING US
10/15/09 12:03:36 THE INFORMATION THAT THEY ARE
10/15/09 12:03:36 ASKING FOR.
10/15/09 12:03:38 I AM NOT GOOD AT THAT MATH.
10/15/09 12:03:40 I'D LOVE THE STAFF TO DO THE
10/15/09 12:03:41 WORK.
10/15/09 12:03:42 BUT I ALSO ENCOURAGE EACH
10/15/09 12:03:45 MEMBER TO GO OUT THERE AND SEE
10/15/09 12:03:47 WHAT IT'S LIKE IN THE
10/15/09 12:03:49 RESIDENTIAL AREAS WHILE THIS IS
10/15/09 12:03:50 GOING ON.
10/15/09 12:03:53 I ALSO DON'T UNDERSTAND IF OUR
10/15/09 12:03:54 EXISTING RULES ARE FOR 6 FEET
10/15/09 12:03:57 THEY HAVE BEEN OPERATING WITH
10/15/09 12:03:58 THESE ILLEGAL STACKS.
10/15/09 12:03:59 THAT WOULD BE A DIFFERENT
10/15/09 12:04:02 QUESTION FOR THE
10/15/09 12:04:04 CITY STAFF.
10/15/09 12:04:08 >> IN MY OPINION, I THINK
10/15/09 12:04:08 IF
10/15/09 12:04:11 THIS STACK IS SPRAYED
10/15/09 12:04:11 PROPERLY,
10/15/09 12:04:14 DO YOU PUT CALCIUM ON THE
10/15/09 12:04:17 DRIVEWAYS TO KEEP THE DUST DOWN
10/15/09 12:04:18 OR JUST WATER?
10/15/09 12:04:20 >> I THINK IT'S JUST WATER.
10/15/09 12:04:22 I CAN GET AN ANSWER ON THAT.
10/15/09 12:04:24 >> IF THEY CONTINUE SPRAYING
10/15/09 12:04:25 THAT, IT SHOULDN'T BE A
10/15/09 12:04:25 PROBLEM.
10/15/09 12:04:27 IT WOULD BE UP TO THEIR
10/15/09 12:04:30 RESPONSIBILITY TO DO IT WHEN
10/15/09 12:04:33 IT'S WINDY OUT AND CERTAIN
10/15/09 12:04:34 CONDITIONS EXISTING WHEN IT'S
10/15/09 12:04:35 HAPPENING.
10/15/09 12:04:35 IT SHOULD WORK.
10/15/09 12:04:38 I KNOW 60 FEET IS A LOT LESS
10/15/09 12:04:41 THAN
10/15/09 12:04:42 90 FEET.
10/15/09 12:04:46 I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU WOULD
10/15/09 12:04:50 FIGURE THAT.
10/15/09 12:04:52 >> WHAT WE DISCOVERED IS THE
10/15/09 12:04:55 ELIMINATION WAS BEING APPLIED
10/15/09 12:04:57 IN THE PORT.
10/15/09 12:05:00 THEY HAD A
10/15/09 12:05:06 HUGE PROBLEM.
10/15/09 12:05:09 NO ONE CAUGHT IT.
10/15/09 12:05:11 ALL THE OPERATIONS WERE IN
10/15/09 12:05:12 ZONING OPERATION.
10/15/09 12:05:15 >> NONE OF THEM WERE
10/15/09 12:05:16 NEAR
10/15/09 12:05:16 RESIDENCES.
10/15/09 12:05:18 >> PEOPLE ARE LIVING THERE.
10/15/09 12:05:19 >> I WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND
10/15/09 12:05:20 THAT.
10/15/09 12:05:21 >> I THINK IT WOULD BE A GOOD
10/15/09 12:05:23 IDEA TO POSTPONE IT BECAUSE WE
10/15/09 12:05:24 DON'T HAVE A FULL BOARD.
10/15/09 12:05:27 THE CHAIRMAN IS ON
10/15/09 12:05:27 A FLIGHT.
10/15/09 12:05:30 >> YOU DO THE
10/15/09 12:05:31 MATH.
10/15/09 12:05:32 >> I'M NOT GOING TO DO THE
10/15/09 12:05:32 MATH.
10/15/09 12:05:36 >>
10/15/09 12:05:39 THANK YOU.
10/15/09 12:05:41 I'D LIKE STAFF TO PUT WHOEVER
10/15/09 12:05:44 HAD THAT PICTURE OR MAYBE IT
10/15/09 12:05:46 WAS MISS PEARSON THE PICTURE OF
10/15/09 12:05:47 THE MOUND.
10/15/09 12:05:50 LEAVE IT
10/15/09 12:05:50 UP THERE.
10/15/09 12:05:52 I DON'T THINK WE NEED
10/15/09 12:05:55 MEASUREMENTS BECAUSE THAT
10/15/09 12:05:56 BECOMES THEORETICAL.
10/15/09 12:05:59 I THINK ALL YOU NEED TO DO, I
10/15/09 12:06:02 CAN TELL YOU IF
10/15/09 12:06:03 I PICTURED THAT
10/15/09 12:06:06 IF I WALKED OUT MY FRONT
10/15/09 12:06:07 OR
10/15/09 12:06:10 BACK-DOOR AND THAT WAS IN MY
10/15/09 12:06:11 NEIGHBORHOOD, I DON'T THINK I'D
10/15/09 12:06:13 PUT UP WITH THAT.
10/15/09 12:06:15 >> THAT IS HIS FRONT YARD.
10/15/09 12:06:16 >> IT COULD BE.
10/15/09 12:06:19 IF YOU PICTURE THAT ON DAVIS
10/15/09 12:06:21 BOULEVARD, IT'S A LOT FURTHER
10/15/09 12:06:23 AWAY FROM THESE HOUSES.
10/15/09 12:06:26 >> THERE WOULD BE
10/15/09 12:06:26 RIOTS.
10/15/09 12:06:29 >> I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO
10/15/09 12:06:30 CONTINUE THIS AGAIN BECAUSE
10/15/09 12:06:32 THIS IS THE THIRD FIRST HEARING
10/15/09 12:06:33 WE HAVE HAD.
10/15/09 12:06:35 THIS IS THE SECOND CONTINUANCE,
10/15/09 12:06:37 I BELIEVE.
10/15/09 12:06:38 IS THAT CORRECT?
10/15/09 12:06:41 I'M READY TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC
10/15/09 12:06:44 HEARING AND MAKE
10/15/09 12:06:49 A MOTION.
10/15/09 12:06:52 >> I KNOW WHAT I WANT TO SAY.
10/15/09 12:06:54 STAFF IS BEING REQUESTED TO
10/15/09 12:06:55 MAKE A CALCULATION, THEN I NEED
10/15/09 12:06:57 TO KNOW WHAT THAT IS AND HOW IT
10/15/09 12:06:59 NEEDS TO BE DONE BECAUSE I WAS
10/15/09 12:06:59 UNCLEAR ON THAT.
10/15/09 12:07:01 THE SECOND THING IS THAT THERE
10/15/09 12:07:03 IS AN EXISTING PD ON THE SOUTH
10/15/09 12:07:05 END OF THIS PROPERTY YOU ALL
10/15/09 12:07:05 KNOW.
10/15/09 12:07:08 I WANTED TO REITERATE THAT.
10/15/09 12:07:10 EVEN IF IT DOESN'T MOVE
10/15/09 12:07:12 FORWARD, THAT PD IS IN
10/15/09 12:07:14 EXISTANCE AND DOESN'T GO AWAY.
10/15/09 12:07:15 THE OPERATION ON THE PROPERTY
10/15/09 12:07:16 AND THE EXISTING ZONING ON THE
10/15/09 12:07:18 NORTHERN PORTION OF THIS
10/15/09 12:07:20 PROPERTY, THE IG ZONING REMAINS
10/15/09 12:07:22 AND CAN BE DEVELOPING UNDER
10/15/09 12:07:24 REGULATIONS OF THE PD.
10/15/09 12:07:27 JUST TO MAKE THAT CLEAR.
10/15/09 12:07:28 >> THE CURRENT REGULATIONS OF
10/15/09 12:07:31 THE PD ONLY ALLOW 6
10/15/09 12:07:34 FOOT OF
10/15/09 12:07:35 THAT DIRT.
10/15/09 12:07:35 RIGHT?
10/15/09 12:07:36 >> YES.
10/15/09 12:07:36 >> OKAY.
10/15/09 12:07:37 THANK YOU.
10/15/09 12:07:38 >> MOTION TO SECOND AND CLOSE.
10/15/09 12:07:41 ALL IN FAVOR.
10/15/09 12:07:41 >> AYE.
10/15/09 12:07:44 >> I WOULD MOVE TO DENY
10/15/09 12:07:45 THIS
10/15/09 12:07:48 REQUEST BASED ON
10/15/09 12:07:54 OUR CODE
10/15/09 12:07:57 . IT'S
10/15/09 12:07:57 REQUESTING WAIVERS.
10/15/09 12:07:59 THEY WILL NOT SUBSTANTIALLY
10/15/09 12:08:01 INTERFERE WITH OUR INJURY THE
10/15/09 12:08:02 RIGHTS OF OTHERS WHOSE PROPERTY
10/15/09 12:08:04 WOULD BE AFFECTED BY ALLOWANCE
10/15/09 12:08:04 OF THE WAIVER.
10/15/09 12:08:07 I THINK WE HAVE HEARD A LOT OF
10/15/09 12:08:10 TESTIMONY TODAY HOW THEY ARE
10/15/09 12:08:11 ALREADY SUFFERING AND THE
10/15/09 12:08:14 PROBLEMS THEY
10/15/09 12:08:14 HAVE HAD.
10/15/09 12:08:17 ALSO NUMBER 4, I
10/15/09 12:08:19 THINK THAT IT
10/15/09 12:08:22 DOES NOT RESULT IN SUBSTANTIAL
10/15/09 12:08:23 JUSTICE BEING DONE CONSIDERING
10/15/09 12:08:25 THE PUBLIC BENEFITS INTENDED TO
10/15/09 12:08:27 BE SECURED BY THE CHAPTER.
10/15/09 12:08:29 THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR TO
10/15/09 12:08:31 PROTECT THE PUBLIC BENEFIT.
10/15/09 12:08:34 AS FAR
10/15/09 12:08:37 AS COMPATIBILITY
10/15/09 12:08:46 ,
10/15/09 12:08:47 GENERALLY DEVELOPMENT AND
10/15/09 12:08:50 REDEVELOPMENT SHOULD BE
10/15/09 12:08:52 INTEGRATED WITH LAND USES
10/15/09 12:08:54 THROUGH CREATION OF LIKE USES
10/15/09 12:08:57 AND COMPLIMENTARY USES FOR
10/15/09 12:08:59 MITIGATION OF ADVERSE IMPACTS.
10/15/09 12:09:02 I DON'T THINK IT MEETS ANY
10/15/09 12:09:03 OF
10/15/09 12:09:03 THOSE.
10/15/09 12:09:06 UNDER SECTION 27 PROMOTE AND
10/15/09 12:09:08 ENCOURAGE DEVELOPMENT WHERE
10/15/09 12:09:09 APPROPRIATE IN COMPATIBILITY
10/15/09 12:09:12 WITH THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS.
10/15/09 12:09:13 I DO UNDERSTAND AS SHE SAID,
10/15/09 12:09:16 THIS IS A VERY MIXED USE
10/15/09 12:09:18 NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT I WOULD BE
10/15/09 12:09:20 WILLING TO WAGE THAT THERE WAS
10/15/09 12:09:23 A MOBILE HOME COMMUNITY BEFORE
10/15/09 12:09:26 THERE WAS A 90 FOOT
10/15/09 12:09:29 PILE OF
10/15/09 12:09:30 DIRT.
10/15/09 12:09:33 ALSO UNDER FUTURE LAND USE
10/15/09 12:09:33 AND
10/15/09 12:09:36 TREES, ELEMENT D1
10/15/09 12:09:39 IT TALKS
10/15/09 12:09:41 ABOUT UNLESS DEVELOPMENT IS
10/15/09 12:09:42 COMPATIBLE WITH PHYSICAL
10/15/09 12:09:45 CONDITIONS OF THE LAND, IT
10/15/09 12:09:46 CREATES UPON THE PHYSICAL
10/15/09 12:09:47 IMPACTS THAT MAY AFFECT THE
10/15/09 12:09:49 HEALTH OR WELFARE OF THE PEOPLE
10/15/09 12:09:51 WHO LIVE AND WORK IN THE AREA.
10/15/09 12:09:54 I THINK WE HAVE HEARD A LOT OF
10/15/09 12:09:57 TESTIMONY ABOUT
10/15/09 12:09:58 THEIR HEALTH.
10/15/09 12:10:01 IT'S
10/15/09 12:10:02 QUITE CLEAR.
10/15/09 12:10:06 FOR THOSE REASONS I MOVE TO
10/15/09 12:10:08 DENY.
10/15/09 12:10:09 >> IS THE PUBLIC HEARING
10/15/09 12:10:09 CLOSED?
10/15/09 12:10:13 >> I WOULD LIKE TO
10/15/09 12:10:14 MAKE A
10/15/09 12:10:16 MOTION TO OPEN THE PUBLIC
10/15/09 12:10:18 HEARING FOR CONTINUANCE.
10/15/09 12:10:21 >> CALL THE QUESTION TO VOTE.
10/15/09 12:10:22 >> WE HAVE TWO MEMBERS.
10/15/09 12:10:25 I SAID IT EARLIER THEY WERE
10/15/09 12:10:27 NOT
10/15/09 12:10:27 HERE.
10/15/09 12:10:29 I TRY TO BE AS FRIENDLY AS I
10/15/09 12:10:30 CAN.
10/15/09 12:10:31 BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT I CAN'T
10/15/09 12:10:34 STAY MUCH LONGER.
10/15/09 12:10:36 >> I DON'T KNOW IF I'M GOING TO
10/15/09 12:10:39 BE BACK IN TIME FOR
10/15/09 12:10:39 THAT NOW.
10/15/09 12:10:42 >> ALL IN
10/15/09 12:10:43 FAVOR.
10/15/09 12:10:46 >> AYE.
10/15/09 12:10:47 >> OPPOSE.
10/15/09 12:10:48 >> NO.
10/15/09 12:10:49 ONE NO.
10/15/09 12:10:52 >> THE MOTION
10/15/09 12:10:55 CARRIED 4-
10/15/09 12:10:58 1 WITH
10/15/09 12:10:59 CAETANO VOTING NO.
10/15/09 12:11:02 >> WHAT WERE YOU
10/15/09 12:11:04 READING FROM?
10/15/09 12:11:07 >> I
10/15/09 12:11:09 WAS READING.
10/15/09 12:11:11 >> I THINK THE MEMBERS ARE
10/15/09 12:11:12 ENTITLED.
10/15/09 12:11:13 >> I'M ENTITLED TO KNOW WHAT
10/15/09 12:11:15 SHE'S READING AND UNDERSTANDING
10/15/09 12:11:17 THE BASIS OF THAT MATERIAL.
10/15/09 12:11:20 >> I SAID WHAT IT
10/15/09 12:11:26 WAS FROM.
10/15/09 12:11:41 >> I'D
10/15/09 12:11:44 RECOMMEND
10/15/09 12:11:47 SHOWING IT.
10/15/09 12:12:02 >> CAN WE BREAK FOR LUNCH?
10/15/09 12:12:03 >> FOR THE PURPOSES OF THE
10/15/09 12:12:05 RECORD, LET ME EXPLAIN.
10/15/09 12:12:08 >> WE HAVE BEEN HANDED A
10/15/09 12:12:10 DOCUMENT PREPARED BY THE LEGAL
10/15/09 12:12:11 DEPARTMENT INDICATING
10/15/09 12:12:12 PARTICULAR SECTIONS OF THE CODE
10/15/09 12:12:14 THAT RELATE TO REZONING
10/15/09 12:12:14 DECISIONS.
10/15/09 12:12:16 I JUST WANTED THAT STATED FOR
10/15/09 12:12:17 THE RECORD.
10/15/09 12:12:18 THANK YOU.
10/15/09 12:12:21 >> CAN WE BREAK
10/15/09 12:12:21 FOR LUNCH?
10/15/09 12:12:22 PLEASE.
10/15/09 12:12:23 >> ACTUALLY, THERE WAS A VOTE
10/15/09 12:12:26 ON A MOTION TO CALL THE
10/15/09 12:12:26 QUESTION.
10/15/09 12:12:28 IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY.
10/15/09 12:12:31 >> NO THE CHAIRMAN JUST
10/15/09 12:12:31 SAID
10/15/09 12:12:32 WE'RE GOING TO VOTE.
10/15/09 12:12:34 >> WE VOTED.
10/15/09 12:12:35 IF THERE'S CONFUSION, WE NEED
10/15/09 12:12:39 TO
10/15/09 12:12:39 VOTE AGAIN.
10/15/09 12:12:42 >> MAY I ASK YOU TO RECONSIDER
10/15/09 12:12:43 YOUR VOTE?
10/15/09 12:12:44 >> NO.
10/15/09 12:12:45 >> I'M GOING TO ASK FOR YOU TO
10/15/09 12:12:46 RECONSIDER YOUR VOTE.
10/15/09 12:12:47 YOU HAVE THE POWER TO DO THAT
10/15/09 12:12:51 OR NOT TO DO
10/15/09 12:12:52 THAT.
10/15/09 12:12:52 WE'RE STILL OPERATING.
10/15/09 12:12:55 WE'RE GOING TO REFILE A
10/15/09 12:12:55 REZONING.
10/15/09 12:12:56 A DECISION WOULD HAVE BEEN TO
10/15/09 12:12:58 GIVE US A CONTINUANCE.
10/15/09 12:12:59 WE'RE VERY CLOSE ON THE ISSUES.
10/15/09 12:13:02 YOU'RE TRYING TO BECOME AN
10/15/09 12:13:04 ENVIRONMENTAL CRUSADER.
10/15/09 12:13:06 I THINK YOU'RE OVERKILLING THE
10/15/09 12:13:06 WHOLE PROJECT.
10/15/09 12:13:07 >> WE HAVE VOTED.
10/15/09 12:13:08 >> I UNDERSTAND.
10/15/09 12:13:10 I'M JUST ASKING FOR PEOPLE TO
10/15/09 12:13:13 BE REASONABLE
10/15/09 12:13:14 ABOUT THIS.
10/15/09 12:13:17 >> YOU'RE CERTAINLY ENTITLED TO
10/15/09 12:13:18 A REVOTE.
10/15/09 12:13:21 YOU'RE ENTITLED TO ASK
10/15/09 12:13:23 FOR A
10/15/09 12:13:24 REVOTE.
10/15/09 12:13:27 IN THE NEXT MEETING, ANYONE
10/15/09 12:13:28 CAN
10/15/09 12:13:29 ASK THAT ANY LEGISLATIVE MATTER
10/15/09 12:13:33 THAT'S COME FOR THIS BOARD
10/15/09 12:13:34 BE
10/15/09 12:13:35 RECONSIDERED.
10/15/09 12:13:38 THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE.
10/15/09 12:13:39 >> THANK YOU.
10/15/09 12:13:42 >> RECESS
10/15/09 12:13:44 UNTIL 1:30.

10/15/09 13:41:03 >>> FIRST OF
10/15/09 13:41:04 ALL, I WILL COLD
10/15/09 13:41:04 CITY COUNCIL.
10/15/09 13:41:07 THIS IS GETTING TO BE
10/15/09 13:41:08 A CITY
10/15/09 13:41:08 COUNCIL.
10/15/09 13:41:09 THIS IS GETTING TO BE A
10/15/09 13:41:10 REPEATED, REPEATED PROBLEM THAT
10/15/09 13:41:11 CITY COUNCIL NUMBERS CAN TAKE
10/15/09 13:41:14 ONE DAY A WEEK TO DO THEIR
10/15/09 13:41:15 DUE
10/15/09 13:41:16 DILIGENT JOBS.
10/15/09 13:41:19 IT'S OUTRAGEOUS.
10/15/09 13:41:22 NUMBER TWO, THIS CASE
10/15/09 13:41:23 STARTED IN
10/15/09 13:41:24 10 OF '08.
10/15/09 13:41:27 IT'S NOW 10 OF '09.
10/15/09 13:41:30 IT'S BEEN POSTPONED FOR
10/15/09 13:41:30 A YEAR.
10/15/09 13:41:33 THIS IS RIDICULOUS AND AS FAR AS
10/15/09 13:41:36 CITY COUNCIL IS CONCERNED, THE
10/15/09 13:41:39 BLAME IS LYING ON YOU.
10/15/09 13:41:42 I WILL REFUSE TO ALLOW THIS TO
10/15/09 13:41:45 BE PUSHED BACK UNLESS WE HAVE
10/15/09 13:41:46 A
10/15/09 13:41:47 GUARANTY THAT ALL CITY COUNCIL
10/15/09 13:41:50 MEMBERS WILL BE AT
10/15/09 13:41:52 THE NOVEMBER
10/15/09 13:41:55 5TH MEETING AND ON TIME.
10/15/09 13:41:55 THANK YOU.
10/15/09 13:41:58 >> ANYONE ELSE
10/15/09 13:42:02 LIKE TO SPEAK?
10/15/09 13:42:05 >>
10/15/09 13:42:08 IT'S NOT FAIR TO COLD
10/15/09 13:42:08 THE
10/15/09 13:42:11 ONES THAT ARE HERE.
10/15/09 13:42:13 SOMETIMES COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE
10/15/09 13:42:16 ILL AND THEY HAVE LEGITIMATE
10/15/09 13:42:17 BUSINESS TRAVEL.
10/15/09 13:42:18 IT'S A DIFFICULT REQUEST THAT
10/15/09 13:42:19 EVERYBODY WOULD BE HERE.
10/15/09 13:42:21 WE TRY OUR BEST.
10/15/09 13:42:24 STEVE, WHAT'S THE BASIS FOR YOUR
10/15/09 13:42:24 REQUEST?
10/15/09 13:42:25 IS THERE SOMETHING ELSE GOING
10/15/09 13:42:25 ON?
10/15/09 13:42:27 >> IT'S A FULL COUNCIL.
10/15/09 13:42:30 WE LIKE TO HAVE A FULL COUNCIL
10/15/09 13:42:33 IN RESERVE
10/15/09 13:42:35 TO HEAR THE MATTER.
10/15/09 13:42:36 >> HE DIDN'T SAY.
10/15/09 13:42:39 WE DON'T KNOW.
10/15/09 13:42:40 WE ANNOUNCED THAT HE PROBABLY
10/15/09 13:42:43 WAS NOT GOING TO BE BACK HERE AT
10/15/09 13:42:43 1:30 TODAY.
10/15/09 13:42:45 >> DO YOU KNOW?
10/15/09 13:42:47 >> NO.
10/15/09 13:42:49 IT'S JUST WHAT EVERYBODY WOULD
10/15/09 13:42:50 RECALL.
10/15/09 13:42:51 WE'RE MISSING ONE MEMBER AND I
10/15/09 13:42:53 DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY BAY
10/15/09 13:42:55 SOCIAL SECURITY FOR DELAY.
10/15/09 13:42:58 WE CAN --BASIS FOR DELAY.
10/15/09 13:43:00 IF WE'RE MISSING TWO MEMBERS, IT
10/15/09 13:43:04 LEANS TOWARDS THE SIDE
10/15/09 13:43:04 OF A
10/15/09 13:43:05 CONTINUANCE PERHAPS.
10/15/09 13:43:08 >> MY QUESTION IS: CAN I ASK
10/15/09 13:43:10 IF THERE'S OTHER MEMBERS OF THE
10/15/09 13:43:12 PUBLIC WHO WERE HERE FOR THIS?
10/15/09 13:43:15 >> JUST
10/15/09 13:43:16 ONE SPEAKER, NO.
10/15/09 13:43:19 >> HOW MANY TIMES HAS THIS
10/15/09 13:43:20 BEEN
10/15/09 13:43:20 DELAYED?
10/15/09 13:43:22 WHY DID IT START A YEAR AGO?
10/15/09 13:43:24 >> THIS HASN'T BEEN DELAYED A
10/15/09 13:43:24 YEAR.
10/15/09 13:43:27 IT'S A MISSTATEMENT ON
10/15/09 13:43:30 MR. JOHNSON'S PART.
10/15/09 13:43:33 THEY CONTINUED
10/15/09 13:43:36 IT TWO OR THREE
10/15/09 13:43:39 TIMES FOR ADDITIONAL
10/15/09 13:43:41 INFORMATIONMENT THAT'S NOT MY
10/15/09 13:43:41 FAULT OR MY RESPONSIBILITY.
10/15/09 13:43:44 IT WAS TO BE SET FOR A HEARING
10/15/09 13:43:47 BEFORE YOU ONCE BEFORE AND WE
10/15/09 13:43:49 ASKED FOR A CONTINUANCE THEN AND
10/15/09 13:43:50 THEN TWO OR --
10/15/09 13:43:52 >> WHY DID YOU ASK FOR THE
10/15/09 13:43:53 CONTINUANCE PREVIOUSLY?
10/15/09 13:43:55 >> YOU DIDN'T HAVE A FULL
10/15/09 13:43:58 BOARD.
10/15/09 13:44:00 TWO OR THREE WEEKS AGO, THE
10/15/09 13:44:02 COUNCIL HAD THE HEARINGS ALL DAY
10/15/09 13:44:05 LONG AND
10/15/09 13:44:08 YOU WERE LOSING YOUR
10/15/09 13:44:09 WAR RUM.
10/15/09 13:44:11 WE ASKED FOR CONTINUANCE THEN.
10/15/09 13:44:13 THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT I
10/15/09 13:44:13 DELAYED.
10/15/09 13:44:16 MY CLIENT WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE
10/15/09 13:44:16 MATTER REVOLVED TOO.
10/15/09 13:44:19 >> THERE'S BEEN TWO
10/15/09 13:44:20 PREVIOUS
10/15/09 13:44:22 TIMES THAT IT'S BEEN CONTINUED.
10/15/09 13:44:22 >> THAT'S CORRECT.
10/15/09 13:44:25 >> DOES IT SAY THE PUBLIC IS
10/15/09 13:44:28 ALLOWED TO
10/15/09 13:44:29 ASSUME A 7-PERSON
10/15/09 13:44:30 COUNCIL?
10/15/09 13:44:32 >> NO.
10/15/09 13:44:34 THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT THAT
10/15/09 13:44:37 THERE BE A FULL
10/15/09 13:44:39 BOARD.
10/15/09 13:44:41 IT IS MY OPINION --SEVERAL
10/15/09 13:44:42 THINGS.
10/15/09 13:44:43 NUMBER ONE IS NOBODY IS
10/15/09 13:44:46 PRECLUDED FROM ASKING TO HAVE A
10/15/09 13:44:47 FULL BOARD.
10/15/09 13:44:50 CLEARLY, THERE IS NO DUE
10/15/09 13:44:52 PROCESS
10/15/09 13:44:54 ISSUE WITH SIX PEOPLE.
10/15/09 13:44:56 ONE MIGHT ARGUE FIVE PEOPLE BUT
10/15/09 13:44:58 COUNCIL HAS GONE FORWARD WITH
10/15/09 13:44:58 FIVE.
10/15/09 13:45:00 THE CONCERN THAT I HAVE IS WHEN
10/15/09 13:45:01 YOU HAVE FOUR PEOPLE --
10/15/09 13:45:03 >> WE HAVE FIVE RIGHT NOW.
10/15/09 13:45:05 >> IT REQUIRES A UNANIMOUS VOTE
10/15/09 13:45:08 AND THAT'S A HEAVY BURDEN FOR
10/15/09 13:45:08 ANYBODY.
10/15/09 13:45:11 THERE IS NO RULE ABOUT
10/15/09 13:45:12 IT.
10/15/09 13:45:13 IT'S COUNCIL'S DISCRETION TO GO
10/15/09 13:45:16 FORWARD IN THE CASES OF FOUR
10/15/09 13:45:18 COUNCIL MEMBERS, I WOULD ADVISE
10/15/09 13:45:21 YOU MIGHT CONSIDER
10/15/09 13:45:23 IT.
10/15/09 13:45:26 BUT IT'S PURELY COUNCIL'S
10/15/09 13:45:27 DISCRETION.
10/15/09 13:45:29 YOU TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT AND
10/15/09 13:45:30 WEIGH THE ISSUES TO GO FORWARD
10/15/09 13:45:33 OR NOT.
10/15/09 13:45:35 >> I UNDERSTAND.
10/15/09 13:45:38 I WOULD LIKE TO HOLD THIS AND
10/15/09 13:45:39 HEAR IT LATER TODAY AND YOU WILL
10/15/09 13:45:40 HAVE SIX THEN.
10/15/09 13:45:42 >> IS THAT A MOTION BY COUNCIL?
10/15/09 13:45:48 >> NO.
10/15/09 13:45:54 I WILL
10/15/09 13:45:57 BE HERE.
10/15/09 13:45:58 TRUST ME.
10/15/09 13:46:00 I MOVED TO CONTINUE THIS UNTIL
10/15/09 13:46:00 LATER.
10/15/09 13:46:00 >> SECOND.
10/15/09 13:46:03 >> MOTION
10/15/09 13:46:05 AND A SECOND.
10/15/09 13:46:08 >> FIRST OF
10/15/09 13:46:11 ALL, I LISTENED TO
10/15/09 13:46:12 THESE TAPES.
10/15/09 13:46:13 GOING BACK, THEY WERE GIVEN
10/15/09 13:46:14 MISINFORMATION.
10/15/09 13:46:17 >>
10/15/09 13:46:18 NO.
10/15/09 13:46:19 NO.
10/15/09 13:46:21 NO.
10/15/09 13:46:24 THEY WANTED TO DELAY IT.
10/15/09 13:46:27 THAT'S WHAT YOUR OBJECTING.
10/15/09 13:46:30 ALL
10/15/09 13:46:31 RIGHT.
10/15/09 13:46:33 ALL IN FAVOR.
10/15/09 13:46:36 ALL RIGHT.
10/15/09 13:46:41 OUT OF NUMBER 90.
10/15/09 13:47:23 >>>
10/15/09 13:47:25 WE CAN COMPILE WITH THE
10/15/09 13:47:27 NOTICE REQUIREMENTS AND I CAN
10/15/09 13:47:27 RECOMMENDING JANUARY 21ST.
10/15/09 13:47:30 >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND
10/15/09 13:47:32 A
10/15/09 13:47:33 SECOND.
10/15/09 13:47:34 ANYONE WISH TO SPEAK
10/15/09 13:47:37 >> 1:30 IN THE AFTERNOON
10/15/09 13:47:38 ON
10/15/09 13:47:38 JANUARY 21ST.
10/15/09 13:47:39 >> YES.
10/15/09 13:47:39 THAT'S CORRECT.
10/15/09 13:47:42 >> WE HAVE A MOTION
10/15/09 13:47:44 AND A
10/15/09 13:47:45 SECOND.
10/15/09 13:47:48 >> WE
10/15/09 13:47:53 HAVE TWO OTHER ITEMS.
10/15/09 13:47:56 THEY ARE
10/15/09 13:48:00 ITEMS 102 AND 103.
10/15/09 13:48:06 THIS WAS MENTIONED ON YOUR
10/15/09 13:48:09 ADDENDUM AND DUE TO THE
10/15/09 13:48:10 INCOMPLETE TRANSCRIPT, I BELIEVE
10/15/09 13:48:12 THEY ARE RECK MENDED FOR
10/15/09 13:48:15 NOVEMBER
10/15/09 13:48:17 5TH IN THE AFTERNOON.
10/15/09 13:48:55 WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
10/15/09 13:48:58 >> I AM NOT
10/15/09 13:49:00 AWARE OF ANY OTHER
10/15/09 13:49:03 CONTINUANCES BEING REQUESTED.
10/15/09 13:49:03 WE'RE PREPARED TO PROCEED.
10/15/09 13:49:06 >> WE'LL GO BACK
10/15/09 13:49:09 TO
10/15/09 13:49:12 ITEM NUMBER
10/15/09 13:49:12 97.
10/15/09 13:49:24 >> HE
10/15/09 13:49:26 WAS ASKING TO HAVE A
10/15/09 13:49:27 CONTINUANCE BECAUSE WE DIDN'T
10/15/09 13:49:30 HAVE A FULL
10/15/09 13:49:33 BOARD.
10/15/09 13:49:36 HE WANTS THE FULL BOARD TO HEAR
10/15/09 13:49:37 IT.
10/15/09 13:49:40 >> LET ME SAY THIS,
10/15/09 13:49:43 I AM NOT
10/15/09 13:49:46 THINKING THAT
10/15/09 13:49:49 YOU ARE TOO YOUNG.
10/15/09 13:50:22 THE PROBLEM IS IF WE DO
10/15/09 13:50:23 THAT, WE
10/15/09 13:50:24 SHOULD CREATE A POLICY.
10/15/09 13:50:26 I THINK THE COUNTY COMMISSION
10/15/09 13:50:27 HAS A POLICY THAT ADDRESSES
10/15/09 13:50:28 THIS.
10/15/09 13:50:30 IF WE'RE GOING TO DO IT, WE
10/15/09 13:50:33 SHOULD HAVE A POLICY SO WE
10/15/09 13:50:34 CAN
10/15/09 13:50:35 BE CONSISTENT.
10/15/09 13:50:38 BUT WE DON'T HAVE A POLICY SO
10/15/09 13:50:41 WITHOUT A POLICY, I THINK WE
10/15/09 13:50:43 HAVE SIX BOARD MEMBERS AND I
10/15/09 13:50:45 THINK WE CAN MOVE FORWARD IF WE
10/15/09 13:50:45 TIE.
10/15/09 13:50:48 TOM WILL LOOK AT THE RECORD AND
10/15/09 13:50:51 WEAK THE TIE AT A LATER DATE.
10/15/09 13:50:53 LET US MOVE FORWARD.
10/15/09 13:50:53 >> SECOND.
10/15/09 13:50:56 >> IN ALL DUE RESPECT, WE
10/15/09 13:50:57 DON'T
10/15/09 13:51:03 FILE OUR OWN POLICY.
10/15/09 13:51:06 WE
10/15/09 13:51:08 HAVE RULES AND REGULATIONS.
10/15/09 13:51:38 WE HAVE BEEN ALLOWING THE
10/15/09 13:51:39 PETITION TO CONTINUE.
10/15/09 13:51:42 IT'S NOT THE FIRST TIME WE
10/15/09 13:51:42 HAVE
10/15/09 13:51:43 HAD BEEN ASKED.
10/15/09 13:51:45 >> IF SOMEONE WANTS TO MAKE A
10/15/09 13:51:48 MOTION TO CONTINUE, WE WILL
10/15/09 13:51:48 SEE
10/15/09 13:51:49 WHERE IT GOES.
10/15/09 13:51:52 >> IT MAY
10/15/09 13:51:55 NOT BE A BAD IDEA TO
10/15/09 13:51:58 INCLUDE THIS SUBJECT WHEN WE
10/15/09 13:52:01 TALK ABOUT THE APPEAL PROCESS.
10/15/09 13:52:02 I THINK THAT MR. JOHNSON
10/15/09 13:52:04 CERTAINLY HAS A POINT THAT WE
10/15/09 13:52:07 HAVE HEARD FROM MANY MEMBERS
10/15/09 13:52:09 OF
10/15/09 13:52:10 THE PUBLIC ABOUT CONTINUED
10/15/09 13:52:12 CONTINUANCES THAT IF THE PUBLIC
10/15/09 13:52:15 SHOWS UP FOR AN ITEM
10/15/09 13:52:16 AND THEN
10/15/09 13:52:19 COUNCIL ALLOWS THE PETITIONER TO
10/15/09 13:52:21 KEEP GETTING ANOTHER CHANCE, IT
10/15/09 13:52:24 REALLY --I DON'T THINK
10/15/09 13:52:25 IT'S
10/15/09 13:52:25 FAIR.
10/15/09 13:52:28 SO WE HAVE --I DON'T KNOW IF
10/15/09 13:52:31 YOU
10/15/09 13:52:33 HEARD WHAT MR. JOHNSON HAD
10/15/09 13:52:34 TO SAY IN THIS CASE.
10/15/09 13:52:37 BUT IF WE HAVE A TIE,
10/15/09 13:52:38 THEN WE
10/15/09 13:52:41 WILL
10/15/09 13:52:44 GET THAT 7TH VOTE AND
10/15/09 13:52:49 .
10/15/09 13:53:01 IT
10/15/09 13:53:03 TENDS TO BE AFTERNOON WHEN
10/15/09 13:53:05 PEOPLE HAVE TROUBLE BEING HERE.
10/15/09 13:53:08 THAT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD
10/15/09 13:53:09 DISCUSS TOO.
10/15/09 13:53:12 MAYBE WE PLACE THINGS AT 1:30 TO
10/15/09 13:53:14 BE TIME SPECIFIC BUT WE OFTEN
10/15/09 13:53:16 DON'T HAVE A FULL COUNCIL SO
10/15/09 13:53:18 THAT'S ANOTHER THING WE SHOULD
10/15/09 13:53:19 TALK ABOUT.
10/15/09 13:53:22 >> MY ONLY STATEMENT IS THE
10/15/09 13:53:25 LAST CONTINUANCE WAS NOT DONE
10/15/09 13:53:25 FOR ME.
10/15/09 13:53:28 IT WAS DONE BECAUSE COUNCIL
10/15/09 13:53:34 WAS
10/15/09 13:53:35 LEAVING THE CHAMBERS.
10/15/09 13:53:37 WE WERE PREPARED TO MOVE FORWARD
10/15/09 13:53:38 THREE WEEKS AGO.
10/15/09 13:53:40 YOU'RE ASKING ME AGAIN TO MOVE
10/15/09 13:53:43 FORWARD WITHOUT
10/15/09 13:53:46 THE BENEFIT
10/15/09 13:53:49 OF A
10/15/09 13:53:50 FULL COUNCIL.
10/15/09 13:54:01 >> WE CAN MAKE A MOTION TO
10/15/09 13:54:01 CONTINUE.
10/15/09 13:54:03 >> I THOUGHT YOU MADE A MOTION
10/15/09 13:54:03 NOT TO.
10/15/09 13:54:05 >> YOU MADE A MOTION TO HEAR
10/15/09 13:54:05 IT.
10/15/09 13:54:06 >> YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A
10/15/09 13:54:07 MOTION TO HEAR IT.
10/15/09 13:54:10 >> I TAKE BACK
10/15/09 13:54:12 MY SECOND OF
10/15/09 13:54:12 YOUR NONMOTION.
10/15/09 13:54:15 >> I THOUGHT JOHN WAS MAKING A
10/15/09 13:54:18 MOTION SO I SECONDED IT.
10/15/09 13:54:20 >> CONTINUE THIS UNTIL NOVEMBER
10/15/09 13:54:21 5TH IN THE MORNING.
10/15/09 13:54:24 >> LET ME SAY I MAY NOT
10/15/09 13:54:27 BE IN
10/15/09 13:54:32 DOWN ON NOVEMBER 5TH.
10/15/09 13:54:35 >> YOU WANTED
10/15/09 13:54:38 TO CHOOSE
10/15/09 13:54:40 THE
10/15/09 13:54:40 21ST THEN.
10/15/09 13:55:13 >> I UNDERSTAND THE REASONING
10/15/09 13:55:16 AND I RESPECT IT
10/15/09 13:55:18 BUT I HAVE AN
10/15/09 13:55:20 ISSUE OF FAIRNESS TO OTHER
10/15/09 13:55:21 PARTIES THAT NORMALLY COUNCIL
10/15/09 13:55:24 HAS A POLICY THAT THEY HAVE THE
10/15/09 13:55:26 APPEAL HEARINGS AND I WANT YOU
10/15/09 13:55:29 TO KNOW NOT THAT I AM TAKING
10/15/09 13:55:30 ANY
10/15/09 13:55:33 POSITION BUT IT'S COUNCIL'S
10/15/09 13:55:34 DISCRETION.
10/15/09 13:55:36 YOU MAY BE CREATING A
10/15/09 13:55:37 PRECEDENCE.
10/15/09 13:55:40 YOU MAY
10/15/09 13:55:43 HAVE TO WAIT SIMILARLY.
10/15/09 13:55:49 >> I'LL SECOND.
10/15/09 13:55:51 >> LET'S GET SOMETHING ROLLING
10/15/09 13:55:52 HERE.
10/15/09 13:55:54 >> NOVEMBER 21ST.
10/15/09 13:55:54 >> 19TH.
10/15/09 13:55:57 >> NOVEMBER 19TH.
10/15/09 13:56:00 >> I WILL NOT APPROXIMATE BE
10/15/09 13:56:03 HERE ON THE --I WILL NOT
10/15/09 13:56:04 BE
10/15/09 13:56:05 HERE ON THE 19TH.
10/15/09 13:56:08 >>
10/15/09 13:56:10 WE HAVE SIX.
10/15/09 13:56:13 >> WHAT'S
10/15/09 13:56:16 THE NEXT DATE?
10/15/09 13:56:22 >> DECEMBER 3RD.
10/15/09 13:56:25 >> WE HAVE
10/15/09 13:56:26 A MOTION TO
10/15/09 13:56:29 CONTINUE.
10/15/09 13:56:30 IN THE MORNING, DECEMBER 3RD.
10/15/09 13:56:33 >> I THINK IT'S A BAD PRECEDENT
10/15/09 13:56:36 AND I AM NOT GOING TO BE ABLE
10/15/09 13:56:38 TO
10/15/09 13:56:38 SUPPORT THE MOTION.
10/15/09 13:56:41 >> WHAT HAPPENS IF IT'S
10/15/09 13:56:41 A 3-3
10/15/09 13:56:42 VOTE.
10/15/09 13:56:45 >>
10/15/09 13:56:46 EVERYTHING DIES.
10/15/09 13:56:49 >> THAT'S WHAT IS GOING TO
10/15/09 13:56:49 HAPPEN.
10/15/09 13:56:50 IT MOVES FORWARD TODAY.
10/15/09 13:56:51 >> SIMPLE MATH.
10/15/09 13:56:54 THIS SOUNDS LIKE THE FIRST
10/15/09 13:56:56 MEETING THE COUNCIL HAS EVER
10/15/09 13:56:56 HAD.
10/15/09 13:56:59 WE'RE SO UNORGANIZED.
10/15/09 13:57:00 I FEEL LIKE GOING HOME.
10/15/09 13:57:01 I AM WASTING MY TIME HERE.
10/15/09 13:57:02 >> YOU'RE GOING HOME?
10/15/09 13:57:05 >> THEN WE'LL BE IN APPROXIMATE
10/15/09 13:57:06 REAL TROUBLE THEN.
10/15/09 13:57:07 --IN REAL TROUBLE THEN.
10/15/09 13:57:10 >> WE HAVE A MOTION TO CONTINUE
10/15/09 13:57:13 DECEMBER 3RD
10/15/09 13:57:16 AT 9:30
10/15/09 13:57:19 IN THE
10/15/09 13:57:20 MORNING.
10/15/09 13:57:21 3-3.
10/15/09 13:57:22 >> OKAY.
10/15/09 13:57:25 WE
10/15/09 13:57:28 HAVE A ROLL CALL.
10/15/09 13:57:35 >> YES.
10/15/09 13:57:37 >> NO.
10/15/09 13:57:40 >> YES.
10/15/09 13:57:44 >> NO.
10/15/09 13:57:49 >> YES.
10/15/09 13:57:52 WE
10/15/09 13:57:56 HAVE A 3-3 VOTE.
10/15/09 13:57:59 THE
10/15/09 13:58:01 MOTION IS ON THE
10/15/09 13:58:01 CONTINUANCE.
10/15/09 13:58:01 MOTION FAILS.
10/15/09 13:58:04 >> ALL RIGHT.
10/15/09 13:58:07 TOM'S HEAD IS GOING TO SWELL
10/15/09 13:58:09 BECAUSE HE THINKS HE'S
10/15/09 13:58:09 INVALUABLE.
10/15/09 13:58:12 WE HAVE TO HEAR IT SO
10/15/09 13:58:16 WHO IS IN
10/15/09 13:58:17 CHARGE?
10/15/09 13:58:22 >> I THOUGHT YOU WENT HOME,
10/15/09 13:58:23 MR. MILLER.
10/15/09 13:58:24 >> IF WE HEAR THIS TODAY, WHICH
10/15/09 13:58:27 WE ARE
10/15/09 13:58:29 AND IT'S A 3-3 VOTE,
10/15/09 13:58:31 THERE WILL BE NO CONVERSATION
10/15/09 13:58:34 FROM ANYONE OTHER THAN TOM SCOTT
10/15/09 13:58:36 WHEN HE GETS HERE.
10/15/09 13:58:36 I WANT THAT UNDERSTOOD.
10/15/09 13:58:38 >> ALL RIGHT.
10/15/09 13:58:39 MR. MULER.
10/15/09 13:58:42 >> DID YOU WANT TO SWEAR IN
10/15/09 13:58:42 THE
10/15/09 13:58:44 WITNESSES FOR THE APPEAL.
10/15/09 13:58:47 >> I'LL DO IT FOR ALL
10/15/09 13:58:50 ITEMS
10/15/09 13:58:50 ON
10/15/09 13:58:50 THE AGENDA.
10/15/09 13:58:53 >> IF YOU INTEND TO
10/15/09 13:58:56 SPEAK,
10/15/09 13:58:59 PLEASE BE SWORN.
10/15/09 13:59:08 >>
10/15/09 13:59:10 GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL.
10/15/09 13:59:12 TODAY WE HAVE BEFORE YOU THE
10/15/09 13:59:16 APPEAL
10/15/09 13:59:19 OF THE REVIEW BOARDS
10/15/09 13:59:21 DENIAL.
10/15/09 13:59:25 THE PETITIONERS
10/15/09 13:59:27 ARE DOWN ON THE
10/15/09 13:59:30 PROPERTY
10/15/09 14:00:05 THIS GOVERNS ELECTRIC
10/15/09 14:00:06 FENCES.
10/15/09 14:00:06 DOES EVERYBODY HAVE THAT IN
10/15/09 14:00:07 FRONT OF YOU.
10/15/09 14:00:08 >> I WANT TO CLARIFY THAT I
10/15/09 14:00:11 WANT TO NAME OF THE CITY PARK
10/15/09 14:00:13 CLEARLY STATED SO THE RECORD
10/15/09 14:00:14 WILL REFLECT THAT.
10/15/09 14:00:18 I AM ASKING YOU, SIR.
10/15/09 14:00:20 >> I UNDERSTAND.
10/15/09 14:00:23 I AM GOING TO HAVE THEM
10/15/09 14:00:28 PULL THE
10/15/09 14:00:28 PARK NAME.
10/15/09 14:01:14 >>> SECURITY PURPOSES AND ANY
10/15/09 14:01:17 INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT.
10/15/09 14:01:20 SECTION 27, 133 ALSO WILL
10/15/09 14:01:21 ALLOW
10/15/09 14:01:23 IN PARAGRAPH C 2, ON THE SECOND
10/15/09 14:01:26 PAGE OF THE HANDOUT, DOES ALLOW
10/15/09 14:01:29 ELECTRIC FENCES FOR COMMERCIAL
10/15/09 14:01:32 USES WHERE A SECURITY-NEED IS
10/15/09 14:01:33 DEMONSTRATED TO THE APPLICABLE
10/15/09 14:01:33 BOARD.
10/15/09 14:01:36 SO IN THIS CASE, THE APPLICABLE
10/15/09 14:01:38 BOARD WAS THE VARIANCE REVIEW
10/15/09 14:01:39 BOARD.
10/15/09 14:01:41 NOW, THIS CASE WAS ORIGINALLY
10/15/09 14:01:42 SCHEDULED BEFORE THE VARIANCE
10/15/09 14:01:44 REVIEW BOARD IN JANUARY 2009.
10/15/09 14:01:47 THE CASE WAS CONTINUED TO THE
10/15/09 14:01:53 FEBRUARY HEARING TO ADDRESS SOME
10/15/09 14:01:54 JURISDICTIONAL QUESTIONS THAT
10/15/09 14:01:57 HAD BEEN RAISED.
10/15/09 14:02:00 THE CASE WAS CONTINUED FROM
10/15/09 14:02:02 MARCH 2009 HEARING.
10/15/09 14:02:05 THEY WOULD PROVIDE THE REVIEW
10/15/09 14:02:07 BOARD WITH CRIME STATISTICS AT
10/15/09 14:02:09 THE LOCATION OF THE TIME PRIOR
10/15/09 14:02:11 TO THE FENCE BEING INSTALLED.
10/15/09 14:02:13 THE BOARD WANTED THIS
10/15/09 14:02:14 INFORMATION TO DETERMINE IF
10/15/09 14:02:16 THEIR EXISTENCE FOR THE SECURITY
10/15/09 14:02:19 NEED
10/15/09 14:02:22 AT THE PROPERTY AT THE
10/15/09 14:02:25 TIME
10/15/09 14:02:28 THE FENCE WAS INSTALLED.
10/15/09 14:02:34 AT THE APRIL
10/15/09 14:02:37 13TH HEARING, THE
10/15/09 14:02:39 BOARD HEARD THE TESTIMONY
10/15/09 14:02:42 INCLUDING THE REQUESTED CRIME
10/15/09 14:02:42 STATISTICS.
10/15/09 14:02:43 THE OPENERS AGENT --OWNERS
10/15/09 14:02:45 AGENT AND THE PUBLIC.
10/15/09 14:02:48 THE VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD DENIED
10/15/09 14:02:49 THE REQUEST TO ALLOW THE
10/15/09 14:02:52 ELECTRIC FENCE BY A VOTE OF 7-0.
10/15/09 14:02:54 THE BOARD WEIGHED THE EVIDENCE
10/15/09 14:02:56 AND DETERMINED THE PETITIONER
10/15/09 14:02:57 HAD NOT SUFFICIENTLY
10/15/09 14:03:00 DEMONSTRATED THE SECURITY NEED
10/15/09 14:03:03 TO INSTALL THE ELECTRIC FENCE.
10/15/09 14:03:05 THEY ONLY PROVIDED RAW DATA IN
10/15/09 14:03:07 THE FORM OF A PRINTOUT FROM THE
10/15/09 14:03:09 POLICE DEPARTMENT WITHOUT ANY
10/15/09 14:03:11 REPORT OR INFORMATION TO HELP
10/15/09 14:03:13 INTERPRET THAT DATA.
10/15/09 14:03:16 THERE WAS NO ATTEMPT TO
10/15/09 14:03:17 USE A
10/15/09 14:03:20 LESSER TYPE OF SECURITY
10/15/09 14:03:20 HER
10/15/09 14:03:22 BEFORE INSTALLING THE ELECTRIC
10/15/09 14:03:23 FENCE T. PROPERTY WAS ADJACENT
10/15/09 14:03:27 TO THE CITY PARK AND PLAYED A
10/15/09 14:03:31 FACTOR IN THEIR DECISION.
10/15/09 14:03:37 THE FIRST
10/15/09 14:03:39 ISSUE RAISED BY THE
10/15/09 14:03:39 PETITIONER REGARDS AN E-MAIL
10/15/09 14:03:42 RECEIVED BY ONE OF THE BOARD
10/15/09 14:03:42 MEMBERS.
10/15/09 14:03:44 THEY DISCLOSED RECEIVING THE
10/15/09 14:03:46 E-MAIL ON THE RECORD AND STATED
10/15/09 14:03:49 HE DIDN'T READ THAT
10/15/09 14:03:50 E-MAIL.
10/15/09 14:03:52 THE SECOND ISSUE REGARDS THE
10/15/09 14:03:53 FACT THE CODE ENFORCEMENT BOARD
10/15/09 14:03:56 SPOKE OF
10/15/09 14:03:59 THE
10/15/09 14:04:02 MEMBER OF THE
10/15/09 14:04:03 PUBLIC.
10/15/09 14:04:06 THERE'S NOTHING IN THE RECORD
10/15/09 14:04:09 THAT WOULD SUPPORT THE
10/15/09 14:04:12 ALLOCATION THAT THE BRB WAS
10/15/09 14:04:13 INFLUENCED AND PREJUDICE BY THE
10/15/09 14:04:15 CODE BOARD MEMBER SPEAKING.
10/15/09 14:04:17 THIS MATTER HAS NOT BEEN BEFORE
10/15/09 14:04:17 THE BOARD.
10/15/09 14:04:20 IF THIS MATTER WERE TO COME
10/15/09 14:04:21 BEFORE THE BOARD, THAT BOARD
10/15/09 14:04:23 MEMBER, AS YOU ARE AWARE, WOULD
10/15/09 14:04:26 NEED TO RECUE HIMSELF FROM THE
10/15/09 14:04:28 HEARING OF THAT CASE.
10/15/09 14:04:31 I HAD LIKE TO REMIND THE BOARD
10/15/09 14:04:34 THERE CAN BE NO NEW EVIDENCE
10/15/09 14:04:35 PRESENTED HERE TODAY.
10/15/09 14:04:38 IT'S SOLELY ON THE RECORD
10/15/09 14:04:40 PRESENTED AT THE VIEW BOARD
10/15/09 14:04:40 HEARING.
10/15/09 14:04:43 YOU WILL BE LOOKING
10/15/09 14:04:44 AT THE
10/15/09 14:04:47 CRITERIA IN 27-132 C 2 AND
10/15/09 14:04:50 STATES THE
10/15/09 14:04:52 ELECTRICAL FENCE IS
10/15/09 14:04:54 ALLOWED FOR COMMERCIAL AND
10/15/09 14:04:57 INDUSTRIAL USES WHERE A NEED
10/15/09 14:05:00 IS
10/15/09 14:05:00 DEMONSTRATED BY THE APPLICANT.
10/15/09 14:05:03 >> JUST
10/15/09 14:05:05 A QUICK CLARIFICATION
10/15/09 14:05:08 IN REGARD TO THE CIRCUMSTANCES
10/15/09 14:05:11 OF THE
10/15/09 14:05:13 CODE ENFORCEMENT EMPLOYEE
10/15/09 14:05:13 TESTIFYING --
10/15/09 14:05:14 >> A CODE MEMBER.
10/15/09 14:05:18 >> THAT ANSWERED
10/15/09 14:05:20 MY FIRST
10/15/09 14:05:22 QUESTION.
10/15/09 14:05:24 SO HE OR SHE CODE BOARD MEMBER
10/15/09 14:05:27 WAS JUST THERE IN THEIR
10/15/09 14:05:28 INDIVIDUAL CAPACITY AND DIDN'T
10/15/09 14:05:29 INDICATE THEY WERE THERE
10/15/09 14:05:32 SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE BOARD
10/15/09 14:05:36 OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
10/15/09 14:06:48 THE CRIMES
10/15/09 14:06:50 COMMITTED ON THIS
10/15/09 14:06:51 SPECIFIC PROPERTY AND THIS AREA
10/15/09 14:06:54 AND WE GAVE THEM AN INDICATION
10/15/09 14:06:55 TO BE A HIGH-CRIME RATE AREA BY
10/15/09 14:06:58 THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT.
10/15/09 14:06:59 THE CODE ENFORCEMENT RECORDS
10/15/09 14:07:01 REGARDING THE PROPERTY WERE
10/15/09 14:07:04 SUBMITTED AND INDICATED THAT THE
10/15/09 14:07:06 PROPERTY WAS IN COMPLIANCE
10/15/09 14:07:08 EXCEPT FOR THE CITATION
10/15/09 14:07:09 REGARDING THE ELECTRIC FENCE.
10/15/09 14:07:11 WE HAD SPECIFICALLY ADDRESSED
10/15/09 14:07:14 THE NUMBER OF CALLS FOR SERVICE
10/15/09 14:07:16 AND MR. MULER INDICATED THAT THE
10/15/09 14:07:19 BOARD HAD SAID WE WERE NOT THERE
10/15/09 14:07:21 AND TRYING TO INTERPRET THOSE
10/15/09 14:07:22 RECORDS.
10/15/09 14:07:23 WE'RE FORCED TO EXCEPT THE
10/15/09 14:07:25 RECORDS ON THEIR FACE VALUE.
10/15/09 14:07:27 WE CANNOT INTERPRET THOSE
10/15/09 14:07:30 RECORDS AND WE CAN
10/15/09 14:07:31 TELL YOU HOW
10/15/09 14:07:33 MANY INSTANCES THERE WERE.
10/15/09 14:07:36 WE ALSO PROVIDED A
10/15/09 14:07:37 PRINTOUT
10/15/09 14:07:40 SHOWING THE FOLLOWING
10/15/09 14:07:43 INSTALLATION
10/15/09 14:07:43 OF THE FENCE.
10/15/09 14:08:34 >> YOU HAVE
10/15/09 14:08:36 THAT IN YOUR
10/15/09 14:08:36 FOLDER.
10/15/09 14:08:38 >> IT'S FROM THE RECORD.
10/15/09 14:08:41 >> IT'S
10/15/09 14:08:43 FROM THE RECORD.
10/15/09 14:08:46 IT LOOKS LIKE THIS.
10/15/09 14:08:49 THAT'S AT
10/15/09 14:08:51 THIS ADDRESS.
10/15/09 14:08:53 WE PROVIDED STATISTICS, SHOWING
10/15/09 14:08:54 WHAT THOSE WERE AND THE BOARD
10/15/09 14:08:57 WAS ASKING ME TO TRY TO
10/15/09 14:08:59 INTERPRET THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN
10/15/09 14:09:01 THE VARIOUS CALLS AND I WAS NOT
10/15/09 14:09:04 AND AM NOT IN A
10/15/09 14:09:05 POSITION TO
10/15/09 14:09:07 DETERMINE HOW THE POLICE
10/15/09 14:09:09 DEPARTMENT RECORDS THOSE CALLS.
10/15/09 14:09:12 WE HAVE A LETTER AND AN
10/15/09 14:09:13 E-MAIL
10/15/09 14:09:16 IN
10/15/09 14:09:19 YOUR PACKET FROM TOM
10/15/09 14:09:20 JOHNSON
10/15/09 14:09:23 WITH NO
10/15/09 14:09:26 CONNECTION TO THE
10/15/09 14:09:27 DEFENSE.
10/15/09 14:09:30 I CAN SHOW
10/15/09 14:09:32 YOU THAT, IF YOU
10/15/09 14:09:33 WISH.
10/15/09 14:09:51 IT WAS
10/15/09 14:09:52 ADJACENT TO THE
10/15/09 14:09:52 RESIDENTIAL ZONED PROPERTY.
10/15/09 14:09:54 THEY ANSWERED THAT QUESTION AT
10/15/09 14:09:55 THE HEARING AND CLEARLY STATED
10/15/09 14:09:57 ON THE RECORD IT WAS NOT AN
10/15/09 14:10:00 ISSUE AND THAT THE PROPERTY WAS
10/15/09 14:10:03 ELIGIBLE FOR THE CONSIDERATION
10/15/09 14:10:05 FOR AN ELECTRIC FENCE.
10/15/09 14:10:08 THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE
10/15/09 14:10:11 INDICATED THAT THEY
10/15/09 14:10:12 INDICATED
10/15/09 14:10:15 THAT THEY DON'T BELIEVE A
10/15/09 14:10:19 MODEL
10/15/09 14:10:20 OF CODE PREVISION.
10/15/09 14:10:53 THEY WERE INDICATING EVERYTHING
10/15/09 14:10:55 EXCEPT FOR THE FENCE WAS IN
10/15/09 14:10:56 COMPLIANCE.
10/15/09 14:10:59 WE HAVE A LETTER
10/15/09 14:11:00 FROM THE OWNER
10/15/09 14:11:03 INDICATING THAT IF THEIR LOSSES
10/15/09 14:11:06 WERE SEVERE
10/15/09 14:11:09 AND
10/15/09 14:11:12 THEY
10/15/09 14:11:15 WERE AT
10/15/09 14:11:15 THEIR END.
10/15/09 14:11:18 THEY DID, IN FACT, AND THE BOARD
10/15/09 14:11:21 NEVER ASKED US FOR TESTIMONY
10/15/09 14:11:23 REGARDING THE OTHER MEASURES
10/15/09 14:11:26 THAT WERE TRIED TO USE TO STOP
10/15/09 14:11:28 THIS SECURITY PROBLEM AND NOT
10/15/09 14:11:30 ONCE DID ANYONE ASK THAT
10/15/09 14:11:32 QUESTION OF US.
10/15/09 14:11:34 THEY MADE AN ASSUMPTION AND
10/15/09 14:11:36 MOVED THAT WE HAD NOT TRIED
10/15/09 14:11:39 OTHER MEASURES WHEN THE ORDINARY
10/15/09 14:11:42 REASON HAD
10/15/09 14:11:44 TRIED OTHER MEASURES.
10/15/09 14:11:47 THE AREA IN QUESTION IS BOUNDED
10/15/09 14:11:50 ON THE NORTH BY YUKON STREET AND
10/15/09 14:11:53 BOUNDED ON THE EAST BY NEBRASKA
10/15/09 14:11:55 AVENUE.
10/15/09 14:11:57 WHEN I WAS TAKING PHOTOGRAPHS, A
10/15/09 14:11:59 POLICE OFFICER APPROACHED ME AND
10/15/09 14:12:01 SAID I COULD BE WEARY BECAUSE
10/15/09 14:12:03 THE AREA IS MARKED WITH A
10/15/09 14:12:04 HIGH-CRIME INCIDENT AND WANTED
10/15/09 14:12:07 TO KNOW WHAT I
10/15/09 14:12:09 WAS DOING THERE
10/15/09 14:12:11 TAKING PICTURES, ET CETERA.
10/15/09 14:12:14 THE GRID, THIS IS THE GRID NOW,
10/15/09 14:12:17 NOT THE SPECIFIC
10/15/09 14:12:19 ADDRESS, THERE
10/15/09 14:12:22 WERE.500 INSTANCES IN GRID
10/15/09 14:12:24 28.
10/15/09 14:12:27 284
10/15/09 14:12:30 INSTANCES
10/15/09 14:12:32 IN GRID 37.
10/15/09 14:12:34 THIS IS 10 TIMES WHEN YOU FIND
10/15/09 14:12:37 IN OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY WHEN
10/15/09 14:12:40 A NUMBER OF INSTANCES IS 90 OR
10/15/09 14:12:41 LESS.
10/15/09 14:12:44 THAT'S ALSO ON THE RECORD, 10
10/15/09 14:12:44 TIMES.
10/15/09 14:12:46 I'VE SHOWN PHOTOGRAPHS WHICH I
10/15/09 14:12:49 WILL SHOW YOU AGAIN IN A MINUTE.
10/15/09 14:12:52 THEY DON'T TARGET AREAS AND
10/15/09 14:12:54 CLASSIFY THEM AS HIGH-CRIME BUT
10/15/09 14:12:57 RECOGNIZE THIS AS AN AREA
10/15/09 14:12:58 THAT
10/15/09 14:12:58 REQUIRES CONCENTRATED EFFORT.
10/15/09 14:13:01 I BELIEVE
10/15/09 14:13:03 WE HAVE MET THE
10/15/09 14:13:06 CRITERIA AND WE
10/15/09 14:13:08 WERE ASKED TO
10/15/09 14:13:11 PRODUCE SPECIFIC INFORMATION
10/15/09 14:13:13 REGARDING INSURANCE CLAIMS.
10/15/09 14:13:14 THE OWNER CLAIMED THE INSURANCE
10/15/09 14:13:16 RATES WOULD GO UP AND THEY WOULD
10/15/09 14:13:19 NOT BE ABLE TO AFFORD INSURANCE.
10/15/09 14:13:22 WE
10/15/09 14:13:27 TALKED ABOUT THE SPECIALIZED
10/15/09 14:13:30 LIGHTING TO CALM THIS PROBLEM.
10/15/09 14:13:32 THE OWNER TRIED A NUMBER OF
10/15/09 14:13:32 MEASURES.
10/15/09 14:13:35 THIS IS THE ONLY
10/15/09 14:13:37 THING TO
10/15/09 14:13:38 SATISFY AND STOP THE CRIME.
10/15/09 14:13:41 THE FENCE WENT
10/15/09 14:13:44 UP IN 2005.
10/15/09 14:13:47 SINCE THE
10/15/09 14:13:49 IT'S WAY BEYOND THE
10/15/09 14:13:49 AVERAGE
10/15/09 14:13:52 CRIME LEVEL
10/15/09 14:13:54 OF ANY AREA.
10/15/09 14:13:56 WE SPECIFICALLY WERE ASKED TO
10/15/09 14:13:58 COME BACK TO THE VARIANCE
10/15/09 14:14:01 REBOARD AND PRODUCE A VARIETY OF
10/15/09 14:14:03 DOCUMENTS AND EVIDENCE AND OTHER
10/15/09 14:14:04 INDIVIDUALS PUT IN INFORMATION
10/15/09 14:14:06 IN THE RECORD THAT WAS NOT
10/15/09 14:14:09 GERMANE AND HAD NO
10/15/09 14:14:11 BEARING ON
10/15/09 14:14:12 THE HEARING WHATSOEVER OR SHOULD
10/15/09 14:14:15 HAVE HAD NO BEARING
10/15/09 14:14:16 ON THE
10/15/09 14:14:17 HEARING.
10/15/09 14:14:20 THINGS
10/15/09 14:14:23 LIKE, NOBODY
10/15/09 14:14:24 ELSE HAS
10/15/09 14:14:25 ONE.
10/15/09 14:14:27 SEMINOLE HEIGHTS ELIMINATED
10/15/09 14:14:29 ELECTRIC FENCES AND IT TOOK TWO
10/15/09 14:14:31 YEARS TO GET EVERYTHING DONE.
10/15/09 14:14:34 WE WOULD RATHER NOT SEE
10/15/09 14:14:37 ELECTRIC
10/15/09 14:14:39 FENCES, ET CETERA.
10/15/09 14:14:41 IT'S A PROTECTIVE MEASURE THAT'S
10/15/09 14:14:43 FAIRLY PASSIVE.
10/15/09 14:14:44 IT'S NOT USUALLY THAT'S VISIBLE
10/15/09 14:14:47 EXCEPT FOR
10/15/09 14:14:50 THE SIGNING WARNING
10/15/09 14:14:50 PEOPLE.
10/15/09 14:15:23 THERE'S
10/15/09 14:15:24 BASIS NUMBER ONE FOR THE
10/15/09 14:15:25 DENIAL.
10/15/09 14:15:26 IT WAS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE
10/15/09 14:15:27 CODE.
10/15/09 14:15:30 IT'S NOT PART OF
10/15/09 14:15:32 THE REVIEW
10/15/09 14:15:32 CRITERIA.
10/15/09 14:15:35 THE HISTORY OF CODE VIOLATIONS.
10/15/09 14:15:38 I SEE ALL TYPES
10/15/09 14:15:39 HERE.
10/15/09 14:15:41 IT'S TO BE REVIEWED BASED UPON
10/15/09 14:15:44 WHETHER OR NOT A SECURITY
10/15/09 14:15:44 NEED
10/15/09 14:15:45 IS DEMONSTRATED.
10/15/09 14:15:46 JUST FOR THE INTEREST OF THE
10/15/09 14:15:48 PETITIONER, I AM LOOKING AT THE
10/15/09 14:15:50 CRIME STATS FOR THIS LOCATION
10/15/09 14:15:52 AND INSURANCE CLAIMS AND I WOULD
10/15/09 14:15:55 LIKE TO SEE CODE VIOLATIONS
10/15/09 14:15:56 AGAIN, AN ISSUE REGARDING CODE
10/15/09 14:15:58 VIOLATIONS AND WHAT THE TYPES
10/15/09 14:16:01 WERE AND NOT TO MAKE JUDGMENTS
10/15/09 14:16:03 ON HIM BEING A BAD PERSON BUT WE
10/15/09 14:16:05 NEED TO CLEAN THESE THINGS UP
10/15/09 14:16:08 AND THE ELECTRIC FENCE SHOULD BE
10/15/09 14:16:11 REMOVED, ET CETERA.
10/15/09 14:16:13 THERE'S PART OF THE CRITERIA
10/15/09 14:16:13 BEING USED.
10/15/09 14:16:16 IT'S NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE
10/15/09 14:16:19 CITY
10/15/09 14:16:21 OF TAMPA CODE.
10/15/09 14:16:24 SKIPPING OVER HERE, THE
10/15/09 14:16:25 PROVISION WITH THE OWNER
10/15/09 14:16:27 TESTIFYING TO SAVE HIS BUSINESS.
10/15/09 14:16:30 WITHOUT IT, HE WOULD HAVE HAD TO
10/15/09 14:16:33 SHUT
10/15/09 14:16:35 DOWN AND MOVE ON.
10/15/09 14:17:08 WHAT TIME DOES
10/15/09 14:17:10 HE CLOSE?
10/15/09 14:17:13 WAS THIS
10/15/09 14:17:16 INSIDE OR OUTSIDE THE
10/15/09 14:17:19 FENCE?
10/15/09 14:17:25 THE ELECTRIC FENCE FOLLOWED
10/15/09 14:17:25 EVERYTHING ELSE.
10/15/09 14:17:28 THE OUTER PORTION OF
10/15/09 14:17:31 THE
10/15/09 14:17:33 FENCE
10/15/09 14:17:35 IS ACTUALLY CHAIN-LENGTHED.
10/15/09 14:17:38 I ASSUME YOU CAN
10/15/09 14:17:41 FILE A POLICE
10/15/09 14:17:41 REPORT.
10/15/09 14:18:08 I AM NOT IN A POSITION
10/15/09 14:18:10 TO DO
10/15/09 14:18:10 THAT.
10/15/09 14:18:12 THE POLICE DEPARTMENT KNOWS HOW
10/15/09 14:18:13 TO ENTER THOSE RECORDS.
10/15/09 14:18:16 THE RECORD I CAN TELL
10/15/09 14:18:18 YOU IS
10/15/09 14:18:18 EXTENSIVE.
10/15/09 14:18:20 I'VE GIVEN YOU EVERYTHING YOU
10/15/09 14:18:22 HAVE ASKED FOR AND THEM TOO.
10/15/09 14:18:25 MORE ON TO THE SUBJECT
10/15/09 14:18:29 , WE
10/15/09 14:18:30 TALKED ABOUT ANOTHER TESTIMONY
10/15/09 14:18:31 REGARDING WHETHER IT WAS GOOD
10/15/09 14:18:33 FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
10/15/09 14:18:35 THAT'S NOT THE CRITERIA.
10/15/09 14:18:37 THE CRY TIER WRA IS DID HE
10/15/09 14:18:39 DEMONSTRATE OR NOT DEMONSTRATE A
10/15/09 14:18:40 NEED BASED UPON SECURITY AND HE
10/15/09 14:18:42 TOLD YOU THROUGH THE RECORD AND
10/15/09 14:18:45 IN HIS LETTERS THAT
10/15/09 14:18:47 HE HAD
10/15/09 14:18:49 EXPERIENCED SEVERE LOSSES DUE TO
10/15/09 14:18:51 THEFT AND BREAK IN, WHICH
10/15/09 14:18:54 STOPPED IMMEDIATELY
10/15/09 14:18:56 AFTER
10/15/09 14:18:57 INSTALLING THE FENCE.
10/15/09 14:19:11 THEFTS ARE RECORDED.
10/15/09 14:19:14 AN ALARM MEANS SOMETHING HAS
10/15/09 14:19:15 HAPPENED.
10/15/09 14:19:17 MY CONCERN IS --AND THIS IS ONE
10/15/09 14:19:19 OF THE OPPONENTS --THAT SEVERAL
10/15/09 14:19:21 SPENT TWO YEARS WORKING ON CODE
10/15/09 14:19:24 ENFORCEMENT TO GET THE
10/15/09 14:19:30 PROPERTIES AND THE BASH WIRE
10/15/09 14:19:32 BARB WIRE.
10/15/09 14:19:35 IT'S NOT A MATTER OF SOMEONE
10/15/09 14:19:37 SPENDING TWO YEARS TO GET
10/15/09 14:19:40 SOMETHING OR NOT.
10/15/09 14:19:41 THAT'S NOT THE CRITERIA.
10/15/09 14:19:44 WE GO ON TO
10/15/09 14:19:47 THE BOARD NOW AND
10/15/09 14:19:50 THEIR DELIBERATIONS.
10/15/09 14:19:53 YOU HAVE
10/15/09 14:19:54 TO SHOW OTHER SECURITY
10/15/09 14:19:55 MEASURES AND HAVE FAILED.
10/15/09 14:19:57 THAT'S NOT PART OF THE CODE.
10/15/09 14:19:59 IN THIS CASE, IT WENT FROM
10/15/09 14:20:02 NOTHING TO AN ELECTRIC FENCE.
10/15/09 14:20:04 IT'S NOT A TRUTHFUL STATEMENT
10/15/09 14:20:05 AND IT'S INACCURATE.
10/15/09 14:20:08 WE HAVE THE STATEMENTS FROM
10/15/09 14:20:08 THE
10/15/09 14:20:11 INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNERS AND
10/15/09 14:20:14 INDICATING
10/15/09 14:20:17 HOW THEY HAD LOST.
10/15/09 14:20:42 THERE'S NO EVIDENCE THEY TRIED
10/15/09 14:20:44 AN ALARM OR A DOG OR ANYTHING
10/15/09 14:20:45 ELSE.
10/15/09 14:20:47 THEY TRIED ALL OF THOSE THINGS
10/15/09 14:20:49 BUT NO ONE ASKED US THAT
10/15/09 14:20:50 QUESTIONMENT THAT WAS TESTIMONY
10/15/09 14:20:52 THAT WAS GIVEN WITHOUT ANY
10/15/09 14:20:54 QUESTION GIVEN TO US.
10/15/09 14:20:56 THAT WAS A BOARD MEMBER
10/15/09 14:20:58 TESTIFYING IN OPPOSITION WITHOUT
10/15/09 14:21:01 ASKING US THE QUESTION.
10/15/09 14:21:04 I AGREE WITH YOU WITH WHAT MY
10/15/09 14:21:05 COLLEAGUES ARE SAYING TO SUPPORT
10/15/09 14:21:07 THIS PETITION IF THE BY WAS
10/15/09 14:21:09 SOMETHING LIKE A THREAT OF
10/15/09 14:21:11 ARMORY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
10/15/09 14:21:14 IT'S NOT THE CRITERIA.
10/15/09 14:21:17 THE TYPE OF BUSINESS IS NOT
10/15/09 14:21:17 PART
10/15/09 14:21:20 OF THE REVIEW CRITERIA.
10/15/09 14:21:21 THAT'S THE REASONS GIVEN SAYING
10/15/09 14:21:24 THAT'S WHY
10/15/09 14:21:27 THEY DIDN'T SUPPORT
10/15/09 14:21:27 IT.
10/15/09 14:21:30 I
10/15/09 14:21:33 SEE THE
10/15/09 14:21:34 SECURITY NEED WAS
10/15/09 14:21:37 GIVEN BUT
10/15/09 14:21:40 IT WAS NOT
10/15/09 14:21:40 DEMONSTRATED.
10/15/09 14:21:48 WE'RE GOING BACK TO THE FACT
10/15/09 14:21:50 THAT SOMEBODY SAID IT WAS A
10/15/09 14:21:52 PROBLEM BECAUSE OF THE AREA.
10/15/09 14:21:55 ONE OF THE OTHER BOARD MEMBERS
10/15/09 14:21:58 SAY OPEN STORIES ARE A CHALLENGE
10/15/09 14:21:58 HERE.
10/15/09 14:22:00 FOR THAT, I CAN'T SUPPORT THIS.
10/15/09 14:22:03 I SUSPECT THE TYPES OF
10/15/09 14:22:05 MATERIAL
10/15/09 14:22:08 BEING STORED IS THE PROBLEM.
10/15/09 14:22:10 THAT'S NOT THE REVIEW CRITERIA
10/15/09 14:22:12 FOR APPROVAL OR DENIAL OF THE
10/15/09 14:22:13 PETITION.
10/15/09 14:22:15 IT MUST STAND ON ITS ON AND
10/15/09 14:22:17 STAND TON EVIDENCE PRESENTED AND
10/15/09 14:22:20 I SUBMIT TO YOU THAT WE
10/15/09 14:22:23 PRESENTED ALL THE EVIDENCE AND
10/15/09 14:22:25 SUBMITTED IT AS REQUESTED AND WE
10/15/09 14:22:25 REQUEST YOUR APPROVAL.
10/15/09 14:22:28 >> QUESTION FROM
10/15/09 14:22:29 COUNCIL
10/15/09 14:22:30 MEMBERS?
10/15/09 14:22:33 MR. SHELBY, WHO
10/15/09 14:22:36 IS
10/15/09 14:22:36 ALLOWED TO
10/15/09 14:22:37 SPEAK.
10/15/09 14:22:49 ON ITEMS
10/15/09 14:22:51 THEY PUT IN THE RECORD,
10/15/09 14:22:54 THEY CAN REFER TO THE
10/15/09 14:22:57 ITEMS AND
10/15/09 14:22:59 CAN'T ADD TESTIMONY.
10/15/09 14:23:02 THEY CAN ARGUE AS
10/15/09 14:23:04 TO THE
10/15/09 14:23:06 STANDARD OF REVIEW FOR THE DUE
10/15/09 14:23:07 PROCESS AND WHETHER THE
10/15/09 14:23:09 ESSENTIAL REQUIREMENTS OF LAW
10/15/09 14:23:11 HAD BEEN OBSERVED.
10/15/09 14:23:13 THEY CANNOT ADD ANY NEW
10/15/09 14:23:13 ADDITIONAL EVIDENCE.
10/15/09 14:23:15 THEY CAN SPEAK TO ANY EVIDENCE
10/15/09 14:23:16 IN THE RECORD.
10/15/09 14:23:17 >> THAT'S CORRECT.
10/15/09 14:23:19 >> AS ARGUMENT, YES.
10/15/09 14:23:24 >> THANK YOU.
10/15/09 14:23:27 >> KEITH
10/15/09 14:23:30 JOHNSON, OKAY,
10/15/09 14:23:31 FIRST
10/15/09 14:23:34 OF ALL, THERE'S NO INSURANCE
10/15/09 14:23:35 REPORTS.
10/15/09 14:23:37 YOU HAVE NO PROOF OF LOSS AT
10/15/09 14:23:37 ALL.
10/15/09 14:23:40 YOU HAVE A WRITTEN STATEMENT BY
10/15/09 14:23:41 THE PROPERTY OWNER.
10/15/09 14:23:44 THAT SHOULD NOT BE SUFFICIENT.
10/15/09 14:23:47 THERE SHOULD BE PROOF.
10/15/09 14:23:49 OPEN STORAGE, THERE IS ILLEGAL
10/15/09 14:23:51 OPEN STORAGE ON IT BECAUSE WE
10/15/09 14:23:52 HAD THIS DISCUSSION WITH ZONING.
10/15/09 14:23:55 IF THEY ARE GOING TO USE A
10/15/09 14:23:58 TRAILER, IT HAS TO
10/15/09 14:24:00 BE SURROUNDED
10/15/09 14:24:02 BY AN ENCLOSED FENCE.
10/15/09 14:24:04 WE HAVE 27 PROPERTIES ON
10/15/09 14:24:06 NEBRASKA'S SITE FOR OPEN STORAGE
10/15/09 14:24:07 WHERE THEY TAKE THESE TRAILERS
10/15/09 14:24:10 AND SET THEM DOWN AND OPEN THEM
10/15/09 14:24:11 UP FOR BUSINESS.
10/15/09 14:24:14 CODE IS
10/15/09 14:24:17 WORKING
10/15/09 14:24:20 DILIGENTLY ON
10/15/09 14:24:22 THIS.
10/15/09 14:24:23 6-FOOT AWAY FROM THE ELECTRICAL,
10/15/09 14:24:25 IF SOMEBODY WILL TURN THAT ON,
10/15/09 14:24:28 THIS IS A PICTURE OF
10/15/09 14:24:28 THE CHAIN
10/15/09 14:24:31 LINK FENCE AND
10/15/09 14:24:34 THE WIRE.
10/15/09 14:24:35 THAT'S NOT 6 FOOT.
10/15/09 14:24:38 HE'S REFERRING TO THE BASE OF
10/15/09 14:24:40 THE FENCE HOLDING THE WIRE HAS
10/15/09 14:24:41 TO BE 6 FOOT.
10/15/09 14:24:42 I BELIEVE.
10/15/09 14:24:45 BUT I AM NOT SURE.
10/15/09 14:24:48 THAT'S NO 6 FEET.
10/15/09 14:24:51 HERE'S ANOTHER SHOWING
10/15/09 14:24:54 IT'S NOT
10/15/09 14:24:57 6
10/15/09 14:25:00 FEET.
10/15/09 14:25:03 HERE'S BARB WIRE THAT'S
10/15/09 14:25:03 ILLEGAL.
10/15/09 14:25:06 HERE'S OPEN STORAGE THAT'S NOT
10/15/09 14:25:09 COVERED WITH A SECURITY
10/15/09 14:25:11 SCREENING THAT'S REQUIRED.
10/15/09 14:25:14 HERE'S ANOTHER COPY OF THE
10/15/09 14:25:15 ELECTRIC FENCE THAT'S SUPPOSED
10/15/09 14:25:18 TO BE 6 FEET WHERE YOU CAN'T
10/15/09 14:25:19 TOUCH IT.
10/15/09 14:25:21 A CHILD CAN PUT THEIR FINGER
10/15/09 14:25:24 THROUGH IT.
10/15/09 14:25:27 THIS
10/15/09 14:25:30 IS THE
10/15/09 14:25:33 PARK.
10/15/09 14:25:36 I CANNOT BELIEVE THAT
10/15/09 14:25:38 SOMEONE --
10/15/09 14:25:41 BRENDA WAS APAULED TO THIS TO BE
10/15/09 14:25:43 NEXT TO ONE OF HER PARKS.
10/15/09 14:25:46 >> EXCUSE ME, ARE YOU
10/15/09 14:25:46 SAYING
10/15/09 14:25:48 ANYTHING THAT IS IN ADDITION TO
10/15/09 14:25:49 WHAT YOU HAVE?
10/15/09 14:25:52 >>
10/15/09 14:25:55 THE COMMENT ABOUT KARN
10/15/09 14:25:57 WAS
10/15/09 14:26:02 ADDITIONAL.
10/15/09 14:26:02 PLEASE STRIKE THAT.
10/15/09 14:26:05 >> THE DIRECTION FOR COUNCIL IS
10/15/09 14:26:05 TO DISREGARD THAT COMMENT.
10/15/09 14:26:08 >> WHAT
10/15/09 14:26:11 ABOUT THE PICTURES?
10/15/09 14:26:14 >> THEY WERE
10/15/09 14:26:19 IN THE POT.
10/15/09 14:26:52 THIS
10/15/09 14:26:55 IS WHAT THE POLICE REPORTS
10/15/09 14:26:57 INTERPRETATION OF THE POLICE
10/15/09 14:27:00 REPORT, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT
10/15/09 14:27:00 HAS TO BE ASKED.
10/15/09 14:27:03 >> THANK YOU, MR. JOHNSON.
10/15/09 14:27:04 ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO
10/15/09 14:27:08 SPEAK?
10/15/09 14:27:09 >> MR. JOHNSON, YOU'RE POINTING
10/15/09 14:27:13 TO THE PHOTOGRAPHS AND
10/15/09 14:27:13 YOU TOOK
10/15/09 14:27:14 THE PHOTOGRAPHS?
10/15/09 14:27:15 >> THAT'S CORRECT.
10/15/09 14:27:18 >> WHAT YOU SAW, I DIDN'T SEE
10/15/09 14:27:21 SO YOU SHOULD KNOW IF IT'S
10/15/09 14:27:22 6-FEET OR 6 INCHES.
10/15/09 14:27:23 YOU TOOK THE PHOTOGRAPH, YOU
10/15/09 14:27:24 WERE THERE.
10/15/09 14:27:25 I WASN'T THERE.
10/15/09 14:27:28 IN FACT, I WAS
10/15/09 14:27:30 TOLD BY OUR
10/15/09 14:27:32 COUNCIL THAT ON THESE APPEALS WE
10/15/09 14:27:35 DON'T HAVE ANY RIGHT TO GO AND
10/15/09 14:27:38 REVIEW THE PROPERTY.
10/15/09 14:27:41 AM I CORRECT, SIR?
10/15/09 14:27:44 >> THAT WOULD
10/15/09 14:27:46 BE --MR. SHELBY
10/15/09 14:27:46 SHOULD ADVISE YOU.
10/15/09 14:27:49 >> MRS. KOEL IS THE ONE THAT
10/15/09 14:27:52 TOLD ME THAT ON A DEMOLITION
10/15/09 14:27:55 PROPERTY ON 4TH
10/15/09 14:27:57 AND 15TH STREET.
10/15/09 14:27:59 I AM GOING BACK.
10/15/09 14:28:02 MY MEMORY IS NOT
10/15/09 14:28:05 GONE; MY
10/15/09 14:28:05 HAIR
10/15/09 14:28:05 IS.
10/15/09 14:28:14 >> AS A GENERAL MATTER, IF A
10/15/09 14:28:17 SITE IS VISITED BY A MEMBER
10/15/09 14:28:18 OF
10/15/09 14:28:20 THE BOARD, NOT AN APPEAL, I ASK
10/15/09 14:28:23 YOU MAKE THAT APART OF THE
10/15/09 14:28:24 RECORD.
10/15/09 14:28:25 IT'S TRICKIER WITH AN APPEAL
10/15/09 14:28:28 QUESTION IN FRONT OF YOU.
10/15/09 14:28:29 GENERALLY, APPEALS ARE BASED ON
10/15/09 14:28:30 THE RECORD THAT'S PRESENTED TO
10/15/09 14:28:30 YOU.
10/15/09 14:28:33 >> I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU SAID.
10/15/09 14:28:39 YET, A
10/15/09 14:28:40 CODE ENFORCEMENT --BRB
10/15/09 14:28:41 MEMBER HAS A RIGHT TO GO VISIT.
10/15/09 14:28:44 >> I WOULD ADVISE THEY
10/15/09 14:28:46 MAKE AN
10/15/09 14:28:48 ORIGINAL DECISION, NOT AN
10/15/09 14:28:50 APPEAL, HAS A RIGHT TO VISIT A
10/15/09 14:28:51 SITE.
10/15/09 14:28:54 I WOULD RECOMMEND YOU AVOID
10/15/09 14:28:56 HAVING CONVERSATIONS WITH FOLKS
10/15/09 14:28:56 ABOUT IT.
10/15/09 14:28:59 IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S DONE OR
10/15/09 14:29:01 TALKING TO ANYBODY ABOUT IT, YOU
10/15/09 14:29:02 NEED TO PLACE THAT STATEMENT ON
10/15/09 14:29:05 THE RECORD THAT YOU VISITED THIS
10/15/09 14:29:08 SITE AND GIVE THE DATE AND IF
10/15/09 14:29:11 YOU SPOKE TO ANYONE WITH CONTENT
10/15/09 14:29:12 ABOUT THAT.
10/15/09 14:29:15 >> I COULDN'T UNDERSTAND IF
10/15/09 14:29:18 THEY HAVE THE RIGHT AND WE
10/15/09 14:29:18 DON'T
10/15/09 14:29:19 HAVE THAT RIGHT.
10/15/09 14:29:22 >> IN
10/15/09 14:29:25 A GENERAL JUDICIAL
10/15/09 14:29:26 MATTER?
10/15/09 14:29:29 AN APPEAL IS A DIVENT QUESTION.
10/15/09 14:29:30 YOU'RE SITTING HERE TAKING A
10/15/09 14:29:32 RECORD, HAVING A RECORD COME UP
10/15/09 14:29:35 TO YOU AND YOU ARE IN A PURE
10/15/09 14:29:36 REVIEW OF THE RECORD.
10/15/09 14:29:39 I MAY
10/15/09 14:29:41 BE ABLE TO DO RESEARCH AS
10/15/09 14:29:44 TO WHETHER
10/15/09 14:29:47 OR NOT IT WOULD BEOUT
10/15/09 14:29:48 I'D THE RECORD.
10/15/09 14:29:51 >> WE
10/15/09 14:29:53 HAVE HEARD A 6-FOOT
10/15/09 14:29:55 VARIATION OF THE FACT.
10/15/09 14:29:57 WHO IS RIGHT AND WHO IS WRONG?
10/15/09 14:29:57 I DON'T KNOW.
10/15/09 14:30:01 >> THE
10/15/09 14:30:04 ONE THING
10/15/09 14:30:10 I THINK --I
10/15/09 14:30:14 --
10/15/09 14:30:17 THIS
10/15/09 14:30:20 IS NOT
10/15/09 14:30:24 A MODEL OF VARIANCE.
10/15/09 14:30:42 THE QUESTION OF WHETHER OR NOT
10/15/09 14:30:45 IT MEETS A CODE
10/15/09 14:30:48 OR DOESN'T MEET
10/15/09 14:30:51 A CODE WOULD BE
10/15/09 14:30:52 PROPERLY BEFORE
10/15/09 14:30:52 YOU.
10/15/09 14:30:54 THE ONLY QUESTION IS WHETHER OR
10/15/09 14:30:57 NOT A SAFETY NEED HAS
10/15/09 14:30:57 BEEN
10/15/09 14:30:58 DEMONSTRATED.
10/15/09 14:31:00 AGAIN, IT IS DIFFERENT BECAUSE
10/15/09 14:31:01 IT'S NOT A VARIANCE.
10/15/09 14:31:04 >> IN SAYING
10/15/09 14:31:06 THAT, I'VE NEVER
10/15/09 14:31:09 SEEN 6 INCHES OR 6/10TH
10/15/09 14:31:10 OF AN
10/15/09 14:31:13 INCH IN A
10/15/09 14:31:14 FENCE TO A FENCE.
10/15/09 14:31:17 >> I WOULD LIKE TO
10/15/09 14:31:19 PROVIDE
10/15/09 14:31:20 CLARIFICATION THERE.
10/15/09 14:31:23 I THINK
10/15/09 14:31:26 MR. JOHNSON SPOKE THAT
10/15/09 14:31:29 THE
10/15/09 14:31:32 REQUIREMENT IS UNDER C 14,
10/15/09 14:31:34 THE SURROUNDING NONELECTRICAL
10/15/09 14:31:36 FENCE OR WALL SHOULD BE
10/15/09 14:31:37 SEPARATED FROM THE ELECTRICAL
10/15/09 14:31:40 FENCE BY AT LEAST 6
10/15/09 14:31:42 INCHES AT
10/15/09 14:31:45 THE CLOSEST POINT OF THE
10/15/09 14:31:48 ELECTRIC FENCE AND THE
10/15/09 14:31:53 NONELECTRICAL FENCE OR WALL.
10/15/09 14:32:11 >> I CAN HAND THIS TO YOU.
10/15/09 14:32:13 WE HAVE ONE SIDE THAT SAYS HE'S
10/15/09 14:32:15 6 FEET AWAY AND I HAVE OTHER
10/15/09 14:32:19 EVIDENCE THAT SAYS
10/15/09 14:32:21 IT'S WITHIN A
10/15/09 14:32:21 FINGER OF THE WAY.
10/15/09 14:32:23 >> I AM JUST LETTING YOU KNOW.
10/15/09 14:32:29 >> I UNDERSTAND.
10/15/09 14:32:32 >> JUST REFERRING YOU
10/15/09 14:32:34 TO THAT
10/15/09 14:32:37 SECTION
10/15/09 14:32:40 C 2, IT STATE S
10/15/09 14:34:14 STATES.
10/15/09 14:34:17 WE HAVE TO DETERMINE COMPLIANCE.
10/15/09 14:34:20 >> MR. SHELBY, YOU READ THE
10/15/09 14:34:23 FENCE HAS TO BE 6 FEET
10/15/09 14:34:23 FROM ANY
10/15/09 14:34:24 RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY, CORRECT?
10/15/09 14:34:24 >> YES.
10/15/09 14:34:26 >> WE HAVE NO RESIDENTIAL
10/15/09 14:34:27 PROPERTY THERE.
10/15/09 14:34:28 >> I BELIEVE YOU DO.
10/15/09 14:34:29 >> WHAT PROPERTY?
10/15/09 14:34:31 >> YOU HAVE THE PARK.
10/15/09 14:34:34 IT'S NOT A RESIDENTIAL PIECE OF
10/15/09 14:34:37 PROPERTY.
10/15/09 14:34:37 IT'S NOT CLASSIFIED AS
10/15/09 14:34:38 RESIDENTIAL.
10/15/09 14:34:41 >> I BELIEVE THE PARK STAFF
10/15/09 14:34:41 CLARIFIED THAT.
10/15/09 14:34:44 >> THE ANSWER WAS ACCORDING
10/15/09 14:34:45 TO
10/15/09 14:34:45 THE RECORD --
10/15/09 14:34:48 >> I DON'T BELIEVE YOU SHOULD
10/15/09 14:34:51 ANSWER
10/15/09 14:34:54 WHAT CITY STAFF SAYS.
10/15/09 14:35:00 >> THEY SAID IT WAS NOT
10/15/09 14:35:01 RESIDENTIAL ZONE PROPERTY.
10/15/09 14:35:04 IT WAS A PARK USE, WHICH IS
10/15/09 14:35:07 GOVERNMENT-USE PROPERTY.
10/15/09 14:35:09 IT'S NOT GERMANE TO WHAT'S
10/15/09 14:35:10 BEFORE YOU NOW.
10/15/09 14:35:13 WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR IS FOR THE
10/15/09 14:35:16 COUNCIL TO ALLOW THE ELECTRIC
10/15/09 14:35:19 FENCE,
10/15/09 14:35:22 NOT WHETHER OR NOT --
10/15/09 14:35:34 >> EXEXCUSE
10/15/09 14:35:35 ME.
10/15/09 14:35:38 --EXCUSE ME.
10/15/09 14:35:44 DID ANYBODY
10/15/09 14:35:47 FROM STAFF --
10/15/09 14:35:49 I
10/15/09 14:35:52 THINK IF IT WAS GIVEN AT THE
10/15/09 14:35:55 HEARING ON
10/15/09 14:35:56 WHAT THE UNDERLYING
10/15/09 14:35:59 ZONING IS AND I UNDERSTAND PARKS
10/15/09 14:36:02 DON'T HAVE A ZONING.
10/15/09 14:36:05 SO THERE IS SOME
10/15/09 14:36:08 ZONING
10/15/09 14:36:11 UNDER
10/15/09 14:36:11 LYING THAT PARKLAND.
10/15/09 14:36:29 >> THE PARKS AND
10/15/09 14:36:34 RECREATION
10/15/09 14:36:37 DEPARTMENT IS INVOLVED
10/15/09 14:36:40 WITH
10/15/09 14:36:40 THAT.
10/15/09 14:37:13 >> HELLO, I
10/15/09 14:37:14 AM ACTUALLY THE
10/15/09 14:37:16 NEPHEW OF THE OWNER.
10/15/09 14:37:19 WE HAVE A LETTER AS
10/15/09 14:37:21 WELL THAT
10/15/09 14:37:23 SHOWS I AM ENTITLED TO SPEAK ON
10/15/09 14:37:24 HIS BEHALF.
10/15/09 14:37:27 I SPOKE ON HIS BEHALF ON TWO
10/15/09 14:37:29 NUMEROUS OCCASIONS BECAUSE OF
10/15/09 14:37:32 THE THE FACT HE CAN'T ACTUALLY
10/15/09 14:37:33 SPEAK FLUENT ENGLISH.
10/15/09 14:37:36 I SERVE AS A TRANSLATOR AS WELL.
10/15/09 14:37:39 I KNOW WHAT THE BOARD --
10/15/09 14:37:42 >> DID YOU SPEAK AT THE
10/15/09 14:37:42 VARIANCE REVIEW HEARING?
10/15/09 14:37:43 >> YES, MA'AM.
10/15/09 14:37:44 >> THANK YOU.
10/15/09 14:37:47 >> I KNOW FROM HEARING WITH
10/15/09 14:37:49 WHAT THE BOARD IS SAYING AND HAS
10/15/09 14:37:52 SAID, I KNOW ONE MAIN CONCERN
10/15/09 14:37:55 HAS BEEN, HAS THERE BEEN A
10/15/09 14:37:57 SECURITY NEED FOR THE FENCE TO
10/15/09 14:38:00 BE ON THE PROPERTY?
10/15/09 14:38:03 IN WORKING HAND IN HAND WITH MY
10/15/09 14:38:06 UNCLE,
10/15/09 14:38:08 THERE WAS A SECURITY
10/15/09 14:38:08 NEED.
10/15/09 14:38:23 WE
10/15/09 14:38:26 HAD THE FEAR
10/15/09 14:38:28 THAT IF WE HAD
10/15/09 14:38:30 ACTUALLY TOLD THE INSURANCE
10/15/09 14:38:32 COMPANY OF ALL THE LOSSES THAT
10/15/09 14:38:35 NOT ONLY WOULD THE RATES GO UP,
10/15/09 14:38:38 BUT WE WOULD NOT HAVE THE
10/15/09 14:38:39 OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A BUSINESS.
10/15/09 14:38:41 I KNOW ONE OF THE CONCERNS HAS
10/15/09 14:38:43 BEEN THE FACT THAT WAS THERE A
10/15/09 14:38:46 NEED FOR IT AND THERE WAS A
10/15/09 14:38:47 NEED.
10/15/09 14:38:50 NOW, PRIOR TO THAT, HAD
10/15/09 14:38:50 WE
10/15/09 14:38:53 TRIED, WE WERE NEVER ASKED IF
10/15/09 14:38:57 WE
10/15/09 14:38:57 HAD TRIED.
10/15/09 14:39:00 IN NUMEROUS OCCASIONS,
10/15/09 14:39:04 WE DID
10/15/09 14:39:04 TRY.
10/15/09 14:39:28 >> THE 4TH TRANSCRIPT FROM
10/15/09 14:39:29 THE
10/15/09 14:39:32 GROUP, THERE WAS A QUESTION AS
10/15/09 14:39:33 TO IS THE PART CONSIDERED A
10/15/09 14:39:34 RESIDENTIAL USE.
10/15/09 14:39:37 THE ANSWER WAS THE PARK IS A
10/15/09 14:39:40 PUBLIC USE BUT
10/15/09 14:39:40 IT'S ON
10/15/09 14:39:41 RESIDENTIALLY-ZONED PROPERTY.
10/15/09 14:39:44 I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE
10/15/09 14:39:44 ANOTHER
10/15/09 14:39:47 CORRECTION ON THE
10/15/09 14:39:50 RECORD, WHAT
10/15/09 14:39:52 WAS PRESENTED AND NO ONE HAD
10/15/09 14:39:55 ASKED WHETHER ANY TYPE OF
10/15/09 14:39:57 SECURITY SHORT WAS USED BEFORE
10/15/09 14:40:00 GOING TO THE ELECTRIC
10/15/09 14:40:00 FENCE.
10/15/09 14:40:02 I WOULD LIKE TO CLARIFY THAT.
10/15/09 14:40:05 HE HAD BEEN ASKED THAT.
10/15/09 14:40:08 ON PAGE 14, KELLEY
10/15/09 14:40:09 SAID YOU
10/15/09 14:40:12 MENTIONED AN AUDIBLE ALARM
10/15/09 14:40:15 AND
10/15/09 14:40:17 CAN YOU TELL US ANYTHING ABOUT
10/15/09 14:40:19 ANY OTHER DUE DILIGENCE HE MAY
10/15/09 14:40:22 HAVE TRIED PRIOR TO
10/15/09 14:40:25 GOING TO
10/15/09 14:40:25 THE
10/15/09 14:40:26 ELECTRIC FENCE?
10/15/09 14:40:29 DOG, CAMERAS, ET
10/15/09 14:40:31 CETERA.
10/15/09 14:40:34 HE SAID THAT HE
10/15/09 14:40:37 DIDN'T TRY
10/15/09 14:40:42 DOGS
10/15/09 14:40:42 OR CAMERAS.
10/15/09 14:40:45 HE HAD AN ALARM INSIDE
10/15/09 14:40:46 THE
10/15/09 14:40:47 BUSINESS.
10/15/09 14:40:50 KELLEY ASKED WAS IT A
10/15/09 14:40:50 MONITORED
10/15/09 14:40:51 ALARM?
10/15/09 14:40:54 THE TRANSLATOR ASKED WHAT IS IS
10/15/09 14:40:56 A WHAT?
10/15/09 14:40:57 KELLEY SAID A MONITORED ALARM.
10/15/09 14:41:01 HE WENT THROUGH THE
10/15/09 14:41:01 TRANSLATION
10/15/09 14:41:04 AND THE ANSWER CAME
10/15/09 14:41:06 BACK.
10/15/09 14:41:09 IT WASN'T AN
10/15/09 14:41:12 AD T SYSTEM AND HE
10/15/09 14:41:12 UPGRADED.
10/15/09 14:41:14 IT WAS AN AUDIBLE ALARM WHERE
10/15/09 14:41:17 YOU COULD HEAR IT FROM THE
10/15/09 14:41:17 OUTSIDE.
10/15/09 14:41:20 I WOULD LIKE TO CLARIFY
10/15/09 14:41:24 THAT
10/15/09 14:41:25 QUESTION WAS ASKED.
10/15/09 14:41:38 >> I AM SORRY, COUNCIL.
10/15/09 14:41:41 THAT WAS ASKED FOR THE
10/15/09 14:41:42 TRANSLATOR.
10/15/09 14:41:45 WHEN I WAS REFERRING
10/15/09 14:41:50 AND TALKING
10/15/09 14:41:51 ABOUT REBUTTAL.
10/15/09 14:42:06 IT'S ALWAYS BEEN SECURITY.
10/15/09 14:42:09 THE MAN DEMONSTRATED
10/15/09 14:42:09 AND SHOWED
10/15/09 14:42:12 THERE WAS SECURITY PROBLEMS.
10/15/09 14:42:15 WE DEMONSTRATED IT THROUGH THE
10/15/09 14:42:18 POLICE RECORDS AND THE RECORDS
10/15/09 14:42:21 THAT INDICATE THAT ONCE THE
10/15/09 14:42:22 FENCE WAS INSTALLED, THE
10/15/09 14:42:24 INSTANCES WENT DOWN TO 5 OVER A
10/15/09 14:42:25 PERIOD OF TIME.
10/15/09 14:42:28 BEFORE THAT, THERE
10/15/09 14:42:33 WAS HUNDREDS
10/15/09 14:42:33 OF INCIDENTS.
10/15/09 14:43:00 HE TESTIFIED THAT
10/15/09 14:43:02 HE HAD SEVERE
10/15/09 14:43:04 LOSSES AND HE TESTIFIED --WE
10/15/09 14:43:07 HAVE TESTIFIED THERE WERE SEVERE
10/15/09 14:43:10 CIRCUMSTANCES THAT REQUIRED THE
10/15/09 14:43:12 INSTALLATION OF THIS.
10/15/09 14:43:15 I THINK WE PUT ON THE RECORD
10/15/09 14:43:17 WHAT WAS REQUIRED AND WE ARE
10/15/09 14:43:18 REQUESTING YOUR APPROVAL.
10/15/09 14:43:20 >> ANY QUESTIONS?
10/15/09 14:43:26 >> JUST REAL QUICKLY, I READ
10/15/09 14:43:29 THROUGH THE RECORD
10/15/09 14:43:30 A COUPLE OF
10/15/09 14:43:33 WEEKS AGO BUT IT'S BEEN A FEW
10/15/09 14:43:33 WEEKS.
10/15/09 14:43:34 REFRESH MY MEMORY.
10/15/09 14:43:37 WAS THERE REFERENCE TO
10/15/09 14:43:38 THE USE
10/15/09 14:43:41 OF DOGS AS SECURITY DOGS IN LIEU
10/15/09 14:43:45 OF ANY OF THIS?
10/15/09 14:43:48 >>
10/15/09 14:43:53 IT WAS ASKED AT THAT TIME
10/15/09 14:43:55 WHETHER THERE WAS ANY DOGS USED.
10/15/09 14:43:56 >> WHAT WAS THE RESPONSE?
10/15/09 14:43:59 >> NO.
10/15/09 14:44:01 AGAIN, HAVING BOTH THE
10/15/09 14:44:02 TRANSLATOR, IT CAME BACK THAT
10/15/09 14:44:05 THEY HAD THE ALARM THAT WAS
10/15/09 14:44:05 UNMONITORED ALARM.
10/15/09 14:44:08 >> SO THE INSEN WAYS IS THERE
10/15/09 14:44:10 HAD NOT BE ANY DOGS IN
10/15/09 14:44:11 >> THAT'S CORRECT.
10/15/09 14:44:12 >> ANOTHER QUESTION?
10/15/09 14:44:15 >> THANK YOU.
10/15/09 14:44:18 I AM REVIEWING THE POLICE
10/15/09 14:44:18 RECORD
10/15/09 14:44:20 AND YOU MENTIONED THE TIME
10/15/09 14:44:23 PERIOD WHEN THERE
10/15/09 14:44:25 WERE THREE
10/15/09 14:44:28 VERY EXPENSIVE BREAK INS, IS
10/15/09 14:44:30 THAT REFLECTED IN THE LIST OF
10/15/09 14:44:33 PROBLEMS HERE THAT WE HAVE
10/15/09 14:44:34 FROM
10/15/09 14:44:35 THE POLICE?
10/15/09 14:44:37 I HAVE TO LOOK THROUGH.
10/15/09 14:44:38 THERE WERE THREE.
10/15/09 14:44:40 WE HAVE THE SPECIFIC REASON THAT
10/15/09 14:44:42 YOU-ALL SAID YOU DID THIS IS
10/15/09 14:44:45 BECAUSE YOU HAD A
10/15/09 14:44:46 BREECH OF
10/15/09 14:44:48 SECURITY OF $10,000 WORTH OF
10/15/09 14:44:49 STUFF STOLEN.
10/15/09 14:44:52 IT SOUNDED LIKE A VERY DISCREATE
10/15/09 14:44:54 TIME FRAME AND I AM LOOKING AT
10/15/09 14:44:57 THE POLICE REPORT AND MOST OF
10/15/09 14:45:00 THE THINGS SAY ALARM OR
10/15/09 14:45:00 DISTURBANCE.
10/15/09 14:45:03 THERE'S A COUPLE THAT SAYS
10/15/09 14:45:04 BURGLARY.
10/15/09 14:45:06 THEY APPEAR TO BE BURIED
10/15/09 14:45:08 OVERTIME.
10/15/09 14:45:11 THAT'S WHY
10/15/09 14:45:14 I AM NOT
10/15/09 14:45:14 CLEAR.
10/15/09 14:45:16 YOU SAID THERE WAS BURGLARIES
10/15/09 14:45:18 AND WHAT'S REFLECTED ON THE
10/15/09 14:45:19 POLICE REPORT --
10/15/09 14:45:22 >> THE QUESTION IS DID WE HAVE
10/15/09 14:45:23 A REPORT?
10/15/09 14:45:24 >> YES.
10/15/09 14:45:26 HOW IS IT REFLECTED FROM THE
10/15/09 14:45:28 INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE BEEN
10/15/09 14:45:28 GIVEN?
10/15/09 14:45:31 >> WE NEVER REPORTED.
10/15/09 14:45:33 THE REASON IS BECAUSE --
10/15/09 14:45:34 >> WAIT A MINUTE.
10/15/09 14:45:36 THERE'S A RECORD THAT HAS TO BE
10/15/09 14:45:37 CREATED SHOWING A PROBLEM.
10/15/09 14:45:39 I HAVE TO ADMIT WHEN I FIRST
10/15/09 14:45:41 HEARD THIS, I DIDN'T HAVE MY
10/15/09 14:45:43 GLASSES ON AND NOW I HAVE THEM
10/15/09 14:45:44 ON AND READING THE FINE PRINT
10/15/09 14:45:47 AND I SEE A
10/15/09 14:45:49 LOT OF DISTURBANCES
10/15/09 14:45:52 AND MISDEMEANORS BUT I AM
10/15/09 14:45:54 NOT
10/15/09 14:45:57 SEEING BURGLARY AND I ASSUME THE
10/15/09 14:45:59 BIG WORD IS BURGLARY FOR BIG
10/15/09 14:45:59 THEFT.
10/15/09 14:46:02 >> YOU SAID THERE WERE THREE
10/15/09 14:46:04 THINGS IN A ROW AND THAT'S BIG
10/15/09 14:46:06 THEFTS IN A ROW.
10/15/09 14:46:08 THAT'S THE CATALYST FOR GETTING
10/15/09 14:46:09 THE STUFF INSTALLED.
10/15/09 14:46:12 I AM
10/15/09 14:46:15 TRYING TO SEE
10/15/09 14:46:19 THE
10/15/09 14:46:20 CORRELATION OF THIS.
10/15/09 14:46:35 >>
10/15/09 14:46:38 THIS IS A REALLY CRITICAL
10/15/09 14:46:38 POINT.
10/15/09 14:46:41 I
10/15/09 14:46:44 NEED YOU TO THINK.
10/15/09 14:46:45 LOOK AT THE REPORT AND SHOW ME
10/15/09 14:46:48 WHEN THE FENCE WAS PUT UP AND
10/15/09 14:46:51 WHEN THE BURGLARIES HAPPENED.
10/15/09 14:46:53 BECAUSE WHAT I THINK HE'S TRYING
10/15/09 14:46:55 TO CONVINCE US OF IS THAT THE
10/15/09 14:46:58 FENCE WAS PUT UP IN DIRECT
10/15/09 14:47:01 RESPONSE
10/15/09 14:47:04 TO THIS MAJOR BURGLARY.
10/15/09 14:47:09 >> YOU'RE CONSIDERING THE FACT
10/15/09 14:47:12 THAT THE TIRE SHOP THAT WE HAVE
10/15/09 14:47:15 DOESN'T ONLY HAVE NEW AND USED
10/15/09 14:47:15 TIRES.
10/15/09 14:47:18 WE
10/15/09 14:47:21 HAVE RIMS AND WHEELS.
10/15/09 14:47:42 I THINK THAT'S
10/15/09 14:47:43 THE KIND OF
10/15/09 14:47:46 COMPELLING RECORD THAT WE NEED.
10/15/09 14:47:49 IF IT HASN'T BEEN
10/15/09 14:47:52 PRODUCED BY
10/15/09 14:47:53 THE PETITIONER, THEN HOW?
10/15/09 14:47:56 >> I AM LOOKING HERE,
10/15/09 14:47:56 ALARM
10/15/09 14:47:57 AUDIBLE INTRUSION.
10/15/09 14:47:59 >> SIR, CAN I ASK YOU A
10/15/09 14:47:59 QUESTION?
10/15/09 14:48:00 >> YES, SIR.
10/15/09 14:48:03 >> THE ALARM SOUNDED AND THERE
10/15/09 14:48:04 WAS AN INTRUSION.
10/15/09 14:48:07 DOES THAT MEAN THERE
10/15/09 14:48:10 WAS A
10/15/09 14:48:16 BURGLARY THERE THAT NIGHT?
10/15/09 14:48:19 I HAD FOUR BURGLARIES AT
10/15/09 14:48:20 MY
10/15/09 14:48:21 PARKING SCOMPLOT THEY REPORTED
10/15/09 14:48:23 IT AS ONE --LOT AND THEY
10/15/09 14:48:27 REPORTED IT AS ONE.
10/15/09 14:48:32 THEY WERE SEPARATE INSTANCES.
10/15/09 14:48:56 IT SAYS ALARM
10/15/09 14:48:57 AUDIBLE INTRUSION
10/15/09 14:49:00 BUT THE POINT IS
10/15/09 14:49:01 IF THERE WAS
10/15/09 14:49:02 SOMETHING STOLEN, IT WOULD BE
10/15/09 14:49:05 REPORTED AS A BURGLARY.
10/15/09 14:49:07 OBVIOUSLY, THE ALARMED WERE
10/15/09 14:49:08 SCARING PEOPLE OFF.
10/15/09 14:49:10 MAYBE YOU DIDN'T NEED TO PUT UP
10/15/09 14:49:10 THE FENCE.
10/15/09 14:49:13 IT DOESN'T SAY THE WORD
10/15/09 14:49:13 BURGLARY.
10/15/09 14:49:15 IT DOESN'T SAY THE WORD
10/15/09 14:49:15 BURGLARY.
10/15/09 14:49:18 >> LINDA, I THINK THE QUESTION
10/15/09 14:49:21 IS: WAS THAT
10/15/09 14:49:23 IN RECORD AND
10/15/09 14:49:24 THAT'S THE QUESTION.
10/15/09 14:49:26 WAS IT IN THE RECORD, THE ANSWER
10/15/09 14:49:27 TO THE QUESTION?
10/15/09 14:49:29 >> THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION?
10/15/09 14:49:30 >> YES.
10/15/09 14:49:31 >> WE HAVE TOLD YOU WHAT
10/15/09 14:49:34 HAPPENED AND WE HAVE A LETTER
10/15/09 14:49:37 SAYING THAT IT HAPPENED AND
10/15/09 14:49:39 AGAIN, WE DON'T CONTROL HOW THE
10/15/09 14:49:42 CITY OF POLICE
10/15/09 14:49:47 DEPARTMENT
10/15/09 14:49:47 RECORDS THE INSTANCES.
10/15/09 14:49:50 >>
10/15/09 14:49:53 HE RAISES HIS RIGHT HAND TO
10/15/09 14:49:56 SWEAR
10/15/09 14:49:59 TO TELL THE TRUTH.
10/15/09 14:50:17 >>
10/15/09 14:50:19 GOOD EVENING.
10/15/09 14:50:22 FOR THESE REASONS, HE STARTED
10/15/09 14:50:24 OUT BY OUTLINING THE REASONS WHY
10/15/09 14:50:27 HE THOUGHT WE SHOULD NOT
10/15/09 14:50:28 UPHOLD
10/15/09 14:50:29 THEIR DECISION.
10/15/09 14:50:32 HE SAID THEY HAD TO SHOW US
10/15/09 14:50:34 SUFFICIENT --THAT THEY HAD
10/15/09 14:50:37 SHOWN US SUFFICIENT SECURITY
10/15/09 14:50:37 NEED.
10/15/09 14:50:40 WE COULD DEBATE THAT ALL DAY,
10/15/09 14:50:44 ALL NIGHT, BECAUSE
10/15/09 14:50:45 THAT'S NOT
10/15/09 14:50:49 VERY GREAT LANGUAGE AS
10/15/09 14:50:49 A
10/15/09 14:50:51 STANDARD SUFFICIENT SECURITY
10/15/09 14:50:51 NEED.
10/15/09 14:50:52 HOWEVER, THAT IS THE
10/15/09 14:50:53 RESPONSIBILITY OF THE VARIANCE
10/15/09 14:50:56 REVIEW BOARD TO MAKE THAT
10/15/09 14:50:56 DETERMINATION.
10/15/09 14:50:58 THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT THEY WERE
10/15/09 14:51:00 ASKED TO DO.
10/15/09 14:51:02 DID THEY THINK THE SECURITY NEED
10/15/09 14:51:05 THAT YOU SHOWED AT THE HEARING
10/15/09 14:51:07 WAS SUFFICIENT AND UNANIMOUSLY,
10/15/09 14:51:10 THEY DIDN'T.
10/15/09 14:51:13 THEN HE SAID THERE WAS
10/15/09 14:51:24 --THEY
10/15/09 14:51:27 HAD THE SAME DATA AND
10/15/09 14:51:30 ASKED IF
10/15/09 14:51:35 IT COULD BE INTERPRETED.
10/15/09 14:51:56 WE CAN'T
10/15/09 14:51:58 BASE THE DECISION ON
10/15/09 14:51:59 THE EXISTING FENCE.
10/15/09 14:52:01 I AM WONDERING IF THAT WAS
10/15/09 14:52:04 EXPLAINED TO THE VARIANCE
10/15/09 14:52:05 REVIEW
10/15/09 14:52:06 BOARD.
10/15/09 14:52:07 RIGHT, MR. SHELBY?
10/15/09 14:52:09 YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE
10/15/09 14:52:12 FENCE, AND HOW THE
10/15/09 14:52:13 QUESTION
10/15/09 14:52:14 ABOUT WHETHER THE DISTANCE, AND
10/15/09 14:52:17 YOU TOLD
10/15/09 14:52:19 US THAT WE CANNOT VOTE
10/15/09 14:52:21 ON THE FENCE THAT'S THERE, WE'RE
10/15/09 14:52:24 VOTING ON
10/15/09 14:52:25 WHETHER THEY CAN
10/15/09 14:52:27 INSTALL AN ELECTRIC FENCE.
10/15/09 14:52:27 DIDN'T YOU SAY THAT?
10/15/09 14:52:28 >> NO.
10/15/09 14:52:29 >> WHAT DID YOU SAY?
10/15/09 14:52:32 >> THAT'S WHAT THE BRB
10/15/09 14:52:33 IS
10/15/09 14:52:33 CONSIDERING.
10/15/09 14:52:36 YOU'RE LOOKING AT WHETHER
10/15/09 14:52:37 THE
10/15/09 14:52:39 BRB BASED THE DECISION UPON THE
10/15/09 14:52:40 STANDARD OF REVIEW.
10/15/09 14:52:43 IT COMES BACK TO THE ISSUE OF
10/15/09 14:52:46 DID THE PETITIONER MEET THEIR
10/15/09 14:52:48 BURDEN OF DEMONSTRATING THEIR
10/15/09 14:52:48 SECURITY NEEDS.
10/15/09 14:52:50 >> I DON'T FEEL THAT THEY DID.
10/15/09 14:52:53 I AM SORRY TO SAY THAT
10/15/09 14:52:54 I THINK
10/15/09 14:52:56 THE OWNER UNDERMINES HIS CASE
10/15/09 14:52:59 BECAUSE
10/15/09 14:53:02 WHEN THEY DID ASK
10/15/09 14:53:04 IF HE
10/15/09 14:53:06 TRIED THESE OTHER THINGS AND HE
10/15/09 14:53:07 SAID NO.
10/15/09 14:53:09 TODAY, THE PETITIONER TOLD US IT
10/15/09 14:53:12 WAS OUT OF FEAR OF HIS RATES
10/15/09 14:53:14 GOING UP.
10/15/09 14:53:17 WE ALL UNDERSTAND THAT.
10/15/09 14:53:20 THERE WAS NOT THE DATA THAT WAS
10/15/09 14:53:22 REQUESTED THAT SHOWED
10/15/09 14:53:25 SPECIFICALLY THAT THE
10/15/09 14:53:28 CRIME
10/15/09 14:53:28 STATISTICS.
10/15/09 14:53:31 SO I JUST
10/15/09 14:53:49 WANT TO POINT OUT THAT
10/15/09 14:53:52 THIS SHOULD SEEM OBVIOUS BUT IN
10/15/09 14:53:55 THE
10/15/09 14:53:58 SECTION THAT
10/15/09 14:53:59 MR. SHELBY
10/15/09 14:54:03 REFERS
10/15/09 14:54:05 TO, IT SAYS THE
10/15/09 14:54:08 COMMISSION
10/15/09 14:54:20 --
10/15/09 14:54:37 >> THAT IS AN ORDNANCE THAT WE
10/15/09 14:54:39 NEED TO LOOK AT.
10/15/09 14:54:42 I WOULD HOPE SOONER THAN
10/15/09 14:54:44 LATER
10/15/09 14:54:47 BECAUSE AS IT'S BEEN STATED,
10/15/09 14:54:48 IT'S GOT PROBLEMS.
10/15/09 14:54:51 NOW FORTUNATELY, FOR THE
10/15/09 14:54:52 SIX
10/15/09 14:54:54 YEARS I'VE BEEN HERE, IT'S
10/15/09 14:54:55 GOTTEN UP THIS HIGH AND LET'S
10/15/09 14:54:58 HOPE THAT THERE ARE NOT A
10/15/09 14:54:59 LOT OF
10/15/09 14:55:02 ELECTRIC FENCES
10/15/09 14:55:05 GOING UP AROUND
10/15/09 14:55:05 TOWN.
10/15/09 14:55:34 DOGS COULD HAVE BEEN AN
10/15/09 14:55:35 ALTERNATIVE.
10/15/09 14:55:37 IT DOESN'T SAY YOU HAVE TO TRY
10/15/09 14:55:39 DOGSMENT YOU HAVE TO DEMONSTRATE
10/15/09 14:55:40 OTHER ATTEMPTS.
10/15/09 14:55:43 THEY DID AND IT DEPARTMENT
10/15/09 14:55:44 WORKMENT THEY HAD MORE SECURITY
10/15/09 14:55:46 PROBLEMS AND THEY HAVE MET THE
10/15/09 14:55:46 CODE REQUIREMENTS.
10/15/09 14:55:48 DO I LIKE IT?
10/15/09 14:55:49 NOT REALLY.
10/15/09 14:55:52 DO THEY HAVE A PROBLEM?
10/15/09 14:55:52 YEAH.
10/15/09 14:55:54 THE OTHER THING IS IN LOOKING AT
10/15/09 14:55:56 THE PICTURES APART OF THE
10/15/09 14:55:57 RECORD, IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE YOU
10/15/09 14:56:00 CAN SEE IT THAT --IT'S NOT THAT
10/15/09 14:56:03 OBVIOUS BECAUSE IT'S FOUR OR
10/15/09 14:56:06 FIVE STRANDS OF WIRE OVER
10/15/09 14:56:07 THE
10/15/09 14:56:07 6-FEET WIRE.
10/15/09 14:56:09 SO IN LOOKING AT THE
10/15/09 14:56:10 PHOTOGRAPHS, IT DOESN'T LOOK
10/15/09 14:56:11 THAT OBVIOUS.
10/15/09 14:56:14 WE NEED TO REVISIT THE
10/15/09 14:56:15 CODE BUT
10/15/09 14:56:18 THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE HERE ABOUT
10/15/09 14:56:18 TODAY.
10/15/09 14:56:21 I AM VOTING AGAINST THE
10/15/09 14:56:24 MOTION
10/15/09 14:56:27 AND SUPPORT THE PETITIONER.
10/15/09 14:56:30 >> WE HAVE A SPLIT
10/15/09 14:56:32 VOTE, 3-3 --
10/15/09 14:56:33 >> NO.
10/15/09 14:56:36 >> LET'S HAVE
10/15/09 14:56:36 A VOICE ROLL
10/15/09 14:56:37 CALL.
10/15/09 14:56:38 >> YES.
10/15/09 14:56:40 >> NO.
10/15/09 14:56:42 >> NO.
10/15/09 14:56:46 >> NO.
10/15/09 14:56:50 >> YES.
10/15/09 14:56:51 >> YES.
10/15/09 14:56:54 >>
10/15/09 14:56:57 THE MOTION FAILED.
10/15/09 14:57:30 >> MAY I ADDRESS?
10/15/09 14:57:32 >> YES.
10/15/09 14:57:35 >> THANK YOU.
10/15/09 14:57:36 THESE DECISIONS ARE ALL
10/15/09 14:57:37 DIFFICULT.
10/15/09 14:57:39 AS YOU KNOW I'VE BEEN SAYING FOR
10/15/09 14:57:42 A LONG TIME, SOME THINGS
10/15/09 14:57:43 DON'T
10/15/09 14:57:44 BELONG HERE.
10/15/09 14:57:47 SECONDLY, WHEN YOU LOOK AT AN
10/15/09 14:57:49 ADDRESS, YOU'RE LOOKING AT A
10/15/09 14:57:49 NEIGHBORHOOD.
10/15/09 14:57:52 WHEN YOU LOOK AT A NEIGHBORHOOD,
10/15/09 14:57:53 IF YOU'RE DOING DETECTIVE WORK,
10/15/09 14:57:56 YOU LOOK AT THE SCOPE
10/15/09 14:57:58 OF
10/15/09 14:58:01 SOMETHING WITHIN A
10/15/09 14:58:03 GEOGRAPHICAL
10/15/09 14:58:05 AREA.
10/15/09 14:58:07 I GUARANTY YOU THIS AREA COULD
10/15/09 14:58:09 HAVE CRIME STATS PULLED ALONG
10/15/09 14:58:12 THOSE GRIDS AND YOU WILL FIND
10/15/09 14:58:15 SOME OF THE HIGHEST CRIME, EVEN
10/15/09 14:58:17 THOUGH THERE'S GREAT PEOPLE
10/15/09 14:58:18 LIVING THERE AND WONDERFUL
10/15/09 14:58:21 PEOPLE LIVING THERE AND EVEN
10/15/09 14:58:22 NEW
10/15/09 14:58:23 HOUSING THAT WE DID THAT ARE
10/15/09 14:58:26 BEAUTIFUL AND RIGHT ACROSS THE
10/15/09 14:58:29 STREET FROM
10/15/09 14:58:32 A DOG TRACK.
10/15/09 14:58:59 IT'S GETTING WORSE.
10/15/09 14:59:02 SEE IT COMES BACK TO
10/15/09 14:59:02 CO-PARENTING.
10/15/09 14:59:05 THAT'S WHAT LIFE IS ALL ABOUT.
10/15/09 14:59:08 AND THIS HAS NOTHING RELATED TO
10/15/09 14:59:11 THIS CASE, BUT WE HAVE TO
10/15/09 14:59:14 REMEMBER THE GRIDS IN WHICH
10/15/09 14:59:16 THESE BUSINESSES ARE IN.
10/15/09 14:59:19 LET ME ALSO TELL YOU THAT IF
10/15/09 14:59:22 THIS WAS SITED FOR AN
10/15/09 14:59:23 OPEN
10/15/09 14:59:26 SPACE,
10/15/09 14:59:28 THERE'S THOUSANDS.
10/15/09 14:59:30 MOST ARE CAR-AUTOMOBILE
10/15/09 14:59:34 DISTRIBUTION AREAS, MOM AND
10/15/09 14:59:34 POPS
10/15/09 14:59:37 THAT PLAY THEIR WEARS AND MAKE A
10/15/09 14:59:39 LIVING WITHOUT BOTHERING ANYONE.
10/15/09 14:59:39 THANK YOU.
10/15/09 14:59:40 >> WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE
10/15/09 14:59:41 FLOOR.
10/15/09 14:59:44 >> COULD I HAVE
10/15/09 14:59:45 A CLARIFY
10/15/09 14:59:46 INDICATION?
10/15/09 14:59:49 IT WAS BROUGHT TO
10/15/09 14:59:50 MY ATTENTION
10/15/09 14:59:51 --CLARIFICATION?
10/15/09 14:59:52 I SUSPECT IS MOTION IS
10/15/09 14:59:53 OVERTURNED.
10/15/09 14:59:53 >> CORRECT!
10/15/09 14:59:54 THANK YOU.
10/15/09 14:59:54 >> WE HAVE
10/15/09 14:59:57 A MOTION AND A
10/15/09 15:00:00 SECOND TO
10/15/09 15:00:03 OVERTURN.
10/15/09 15:00:05 ALL IN FAVOR?
10/15/09 15:00:06 MOTION CARRIED WITH SCOTT BEING
10/15/09 15:00:07 ABSENT.
10/15/09 15:00:08 >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH,
10/15/09 15:00:09 COUNCIL.
10/15/09 15:00:12 >> WE HAVE TO
10/15/09 15:00:16 OPEN ITEM 98.
10/15/09 15:00:43 >> THE NEXT
10/15/09 15:00:45 ITEM ON THE AGENDA
10/15/09 15:00:48 FOR THE
10/15/09 15:00:51 PROPERTY LOCATED AT
10/15/09 15:00:55 2928
10/15/09 15:00:56 EAST FOWLER AVENUE.
10/15/09 15:01:56 THEY FIND IT INCONSISTENT WITH
10/15/09 15:01:58 THE APPLICABLE REGULATIONS.
10/15/09 15:01:59 HOWEVER, IF CHANGES ARE MADE
10/15/09 15:02:02 WITHIN THE FIRST AND
10/15/09 15:02:03 SECOND
10/15/09 15:02:05 READING, THE REVIEW COMMITTEE
10/15/09 15:02:08 WILL
10/15/09 15:02:10 FIND THE PETITION
10/15/09 15:02:11 CONSISTENT.
10/15/09 15:02:44 >> GIVE US YOUR NAME AND
10/15/09 15:02:44 ADDRESS.
10/15/09 15:02:47 >> I AM A REPRESENTATIVE
10/15/09 15:02:48 FOR
10/15/09 15:02:52 THE BULLS EXPRESS INC..
10/15/09 15:02:55 >> IS THERE
10/15/09 15:02:58 ANYONE FROM THE
10/15/09 15:03:03 PUBLIC WISHING TO SPEAK.
10/15/09 15:03:06 >>
10/15/09 15:03:09 OPEN AND CLOSED.
10/15/09 15:03:15 >> 101.
10/15/09 15:03:18 >> 98.
10/15/09 15:03:20 >> OKAY.
10/15/09 15:03:21 98.
10/15/09 15:03:24 APPROVING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT
10/15/09 15:03:27 AS TO BEVERAGE SALES
10/15/09 15:03:28 AND SMALL
10/15/09 15:03:31 VENUE AND NOT MORE THAN
10/15/09 15:03:35 14% BY
10/15/09 15:03:35 WEIGHT.
10/15/09 15:04:04 >> EVERYTHING I MENTIONED WILL
10/15/09 15:04:04 BE INCLUDED.
10/15/09 15:04:07 >> FOR THE RECORD, THE REPORT
10/15/09 15:04:09 WAS INCLUDED WITH THE STAFF
10/15/09 15:04:10 REPORT AND THEY HAD NO
10/15/09 15:04:11 OBJECTIONS TO THE PETITION.
10/15/09 15:04:11 THANK YOU.
10/15/09 15:04:14 >> THE SECOND READING OF THE
10/15/09 15:04:17 ORDNANCE WILL BE HELD
10/15/09 15:04:17 NOVEMBER
10/15/09 15:04:20 5TH AT
10/15/09 15:04:20 9:30 A.M.
10/15/09 15:04:24 >>
10/15/09 15:04:27 OKAY.
10/15/09 15:04:27 NEXT ITEM.
10/15/09 15:04:45 >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL.
10/15/09 15:04:48 THE NEXT
10/15/09 15:04:51 ITEM IS V 09-404.
10/15/09 15:04:54 THE PROPERTY IS
10/15/09 15:04:57 CURRENTLY
10/15/09 15:05:00 ZONED
10/15/09 15:05:01 CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT.
10/15/09 15:05:25 THE LOCATION IS WITHIN THE
10/15/09 15:05:27 CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT AND
10/15/09 15:05:30 DOESN'T REQUIRE PARKING
10/15/09 15:05:33 FOR A
10/15/09 15:05:36 RESTAURANT
10/15/09 15:05:38 USE.
10/15/09 15:05:41 THIS IS THE AERIAL
10/15/09 15:05:42 OF THE SITE
10/15/09 15:05:45 WITH ASHLEY BORDERING
10/15/09 15:05:46 TO THE
10/15/09 15:05:47 NORTH.
10/15/09 15:05:50 THIS IS PICTURE OF
10/15/09 15:05:54 THE SITE
10/15/09 15:05:54 RIGHT HERE.
10/15/09 15:06:00 THAT'S SOUTH WEST ON ASHLEY.
10/15/09 15:06:03 ANOTHER VIEW ON
10/15/09 15:06:04 ASHLEY.
10/15/09 15:06:05 THAT'S THE NORTH WEST.
10/15/09 15:06:07 >> QUICK QUESTION.
10/15/09 15:06:09 WHERE WOULD THE OUTDOOR SEATING
10/15/09 15:06:11 BE?
10/15/09 15:06:14 THIS IS VERY
10/15/09 15:06:16 EXCITING.
10/15/09 15:06:19 >> ACTUALLY, INSIDE OF
10/15/09 15:06:20 THE
10/15/09 15:06:23 AREA, THERE'S AN AREA HAH
10/15/09 15:06:23 THE
10/15/09 15:06:24 PETITIONER COULD DESCRIBE
10/15/09 15:06:24 BETTER.
10/15/09 15:06:25 >> IT'S NOT ON THE STREET?
10/15/09 15:06:26 >> NO.
10/15/09 15:06:29 >> I KNOW WHERE IT
10/15/09 15:06:32 IS.
10/15/09 15:06:33 THANK YOU.
10/15/09 15:06:45 THEY
10/15/09 15:06:47 WERE CONSISTENT WITH THEIR
10/15/09 15:06:50 SUBMITINGS.
10/15/09 15:06:52 >> PETITIONER?
10/15/09 15:06:58 >> ALLEN MURPHY, I AM
10/15/09 15:06:59 HERE TO
10/15/09 15:07:02 ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF YOU WANT
10/15/09 15:07:03 TO KNOW MORE ABOUT THE SEATING.
10/15/09 15:07:06 THEY ARE GOING TO PUT 8 SEATS
10/15/09 15:07:09 THERE AND THE SIDEWALK SEATINGS
10/15/09 15:07:11 IS IN THE RIGHT-OF-WAY.
10/15/09 15:07:14 THEY HAD NOT APPLIED FOR
10/15/09 15:07:17 THE
10/15/09 15:07:23 OUTDOOR SEATING AT FIRST.
10/15/09 15:07:24 THAT'S IN THE COURTYARD INSIDE.
10/15/09 15:07:27 >> ANYONE FROM THE
10/15/09 15:07:28 PUBLIC
10/15/09 15:07:33 WISHING TO SPEAK?
10/15/09 15:07:34 CLOSED.
10/15/09 15:08:09 >> MOTION AND A SECOND.
10/15/09 15:08:13 >> MOTION CARRIED
10/15/09 15:08:14 WITH SCOTT
10/15/09 15:08:15 BEING ABSENT.
10/15/09 15:08:19 THE SECOND READING WILL BE HELD
10/15/09 15:08:22 NOVEMBER 5TH AT 9:30 A.M.
10/15/09 15:08:27 >> ITEM 100.
10/15/09 15:09:21 THIS IS AN AERIAL OF
10/15/09 15:09:24 THE SITE.
10/15/09 15:09:27 IT'S LOCATED HERE IN
10/15/09 15:09:28 YELLOW.
10/15/09 15:09:31 7TH AVENUE IS SOUTH OF THE SITE.
10/15/09 15:09:34 THAT'S A PICTURE
10/15/09 15:09:35 OF THE SITE.
10/15/09 15:09:38 THAT'S THE VIEW ON 7TH
10/15/09 15:09:40 AVENUE.
10/15/09 15:09:43 THIS IS THE WEST END OF SIGHT
10/15/09 15:09:45 FROM 22ND STREET.
10/15/09 15:09:48 ANOTHER VIEW OF THE SIGHT,
10/15/09 15:09:48 AND
10/15/09 15:09:50 THAT'S PARKING LOCATED NORTH OF
10/15/09 15:09:51 THE SITE.
10/15/09 15:09:54 THAT'S A VIEW OF THE REAR,
10/15/09 15:09:55 THE
10/15/09 15:09:56 NORTH VIEW.
10/15/09 15:09:58 THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COMMITTEE
10/15/09 15:10:00 HAS REVIEWED THE PETITION AND
10/15/09 15:10:03 FINDS IT CONSISTENT WITH
10/15/09 15:10:04 THE
10/15/09 15:10:04 REGULATIONS.
10/15/09 15:10:05 THIS CONCLUDES STAFF'S
10/15/09 15:10:05 PRESENTATION.
10/15/09 15:10:08 I AM AVAILABLE IF
10/15/09 15:10:10 YOU HAVE ANY
10/15/09 15:10:13 QUESTIONS.
10/15/09 15:10:15 >> PETITIONER?
10/15/09 15:10:21 I
10/15/09 15:10:24 WANT MY STEAK MEDIUM.
10/15/09 15:10:27 >> ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC THAT
10/15/09 15:10:28 WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK?
10/15/09 15:10:29 >> MOVE TO CLOSE.
10/15/09 15:10:31 >> SECOND.
10/15/09 15:10:34 >>
10/15/09 15:10:36 ALL IN FAVOR?
10/15/09 15:10:39 >> WE KNOW YOU ARE
10/15/09 15:10:40 A SERIOUS
10/15/09 15:10:40 CHEF.
10/15/09 15:10:41 >> YES.
10/15/09 15:10:44 >> I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE
10/15/09 15:10:45 THIS
10/15/09 15:10:48 ORDNANCE APPROVING THE
10/15/09 15:10:54 PERMIT
10/15/09 15:10:58 FOR ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SALE.
10/15/09 15:11:16 >> I REMEMBER
10/15/09 15:11:17 A COUPLE OF YEARS
10/15/09 15:11:19 AGO, THERE WAS A STUDY
10/15/09 15:11:22 COMMISSION ABOUT WHAT WE DO
10/15/09 15:11:23 THE
10/15/09 15:11:24 HELP BECOME BETTER AND I
10/15/09 15:11:25 REMEMBER ONE OF THE THINGS THAT
10/15/09 15:11:29 CAME OUT IS WE
10/15/09 15:11:30 NEED MORE
10/15/09 15:11:31 RESTAURANTS AND LESS BARS.
10/15/09 15:11:33 WE'RE THRILLED YOU'RE DOING A
10/15/09 15:11:34 RESTAURANT AND WE WISH YOU LUCK.
10/15/09 15:11:36 >> THANK YOU.
10/15/09 15:11:39 >> THAT WAS A HISTORICAL
10/15/09 15:11:42 BUILDING AND STILL
10/15/09 15:11:43 IS A
10/15/09 15:11:44 HISTORICAL BUILDING.
10/15/09 15:11:46 I WANT YOU TO KNOW WHERE YOU'RE
10/15/09 15:11:46 AT.
10/15/09 15:11:47 >> THANK YOU.
10/15/09 15:11:49 >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A
10/15/09 15:11:50 SECOND.
10/15/09 15:11:53 >> MOTION CARRIED
10/15/09 15:11:54 WITH SCOTT
10/15/09 15:11:55 BEING ABSENT AT VOTE.
10/15/09 15:11:58 SECOND READING WILL BE HELD
10/15/09 15:12:01 NOVEMBER 5TH AT 9:30 A.M.
10/15/09 15:12:05 >> 101.
10/15/09 15:12:37 >> PLAN DEVELOPMENT ALTERNATIVE
10/15/09 15:12:40 FOR COMMERCIAL STRIP CENTER AND
10/15/09 15:12:42 THE PROPOSED USE IS FOR BEER AND
10/15/09 15:12:45 WINE WHICH WOULD ALLOW FOR THE
10/15/09 15:12:47 SALE OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE FOR
10/15/09 15:12:50 CONSUMPTION ON THE PREMISES ONLY
10/15/09 15:12:53 IN
10/15/09 15:12:56 CONJUNCTION
10/15/09 15:12:56 WITH THE
10/15/09 15:12:57 RESTAURANT.
10/15/09 15:13:03 THE
10/15/09 15:13:09 PARKING REQUIRED IS
10/15/09 15:13:09 394
10/15/09 15:13:10 SPACES.
10/15/09 15:13:13 THIS IS AN AERIAL OF THE
10/15/09 15:13:14 SITE
10/15/09 15:13:17 JUST AMONG THE EAST, CROSS
10/15/09 15:13:19 STREET BOULEVARD IS SOUTH OF THE
10/15/09 15:13:20 SITE.
10/15/09 15:13:23 THERE'S THE LOCATION IN HERE
10/15/09 15:13:26 THAT'S IN BLUE OF THE
10/15/09 15:13:27 PROPOSED
10/15/09 15:13:27 USE.
10/15/09 15:13:30 AND WE HAVE PICTURES OF
10/15/09 15:13:33 THIS.
10/15/09 15:13:36 THAT'S THERE WITH THE SHOPPING
10/15/09 15:13:38 TAMPA CENTERS AND AN ACTUAL
10/15/09 15:13:41 COMMERCIAL STRIP.
10/15/09 15:13:42 THAT'S THE VIEW LOOKING SOUTH.
10/15/09 15:13:43 ANOTHER VIEW OF THE SHOPPING
10/15/09 15:13:46 CENTER AND THAT IS THE WEST
10/15/09 15:13:48 SIDE
10/15/09 15:13:51 OF THE PROPERTY.
10/15/09 15:13:54 THE DEVELOP AND
10/15/09 15:13:56 REVIEW COMMITTEE
10/15/09 15:13:58 FINDS IT'S INCONSISTENT, HOWEVER
10/15/09 15:14:00 THE CHANGES ARE MADE BETWEEN THE
10/15/09 15:14:01 FIRST AND SECOND READING AND
10/15/09 15:14:04 WILL AMEND IT AND
10/15/09 15:14:05 FIND IT
10/15/09 15:14:06 CONSISTENT.
10/15/09 15:14:09 I INCLUDED THE
10/15/09 15:14:10 INFORMATION
10/15/09 15:14:11 SUBMITTED A REVISION SHEET.
10/15/09 15:14:12 IT HAS BEEN PROVIDED TO THE
10/15/09 15:14:14 PETITIONER AND THEY AGREE TO
10/15/09 15:14:16 HEADACHE THE CHANGES REQUESTED
10/15/09 15:14:19 IN BETWEEN FIRST
10/15/09 15:14:23 AND SECOND
10/15/09 15:14:24 READING.
10/15/09 15:14:27 TPB ARE CONSISTENT WITH IT.
10/15/09 15:14:28 >> PETITIONER?
10/15/09 15:14:31 >> GOOD
10/15/09 15:14:32 AFTERNOON, COUNCIL.
10/15/09 15:14:34 I AM REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT.
10/15/09 15:14:35 I'VE BEEN SWORN.
10/15/09 15:14:38 THIS IS A NEW RESTAURANT AND
10/15/09 15:14:40 THE
10/15/09 15:14:43 OLD RESTAURANT ALLOWED THE
10/15/09 15:14:44 SALES
10/15/09 15:14:45 TO EXPIRE.
10/15/09 15:14:47 THEY HAVE OPINION THERE FOUR
10/15/09 15:14:48 MONTHS WITHOUT ALCOHOL.
10/15/09 15:14:50 WE MEET ALL THE REQUIREMENTS AND
10/15/09 15:14:51 APPRECIATE YOUR SYSTEM.
10/15/09 15:14:51 THANK YOU.
10/15/09 15:14:53 >> ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC
10/15/09 15:14:56 WISHING TO SPEAK ON ITEM 101.
10/15/09 15:14:57 >> CLOSE.
10/15/09 15:14:58 >> MOTION.
10/15/09 15:15:01 >> MOTION
10/15/09 15:15:02 AND A SECOND.
10/15/09 15:15:05 >> THANK YOU.
10/15/09 15:15:08 >> FIRST
10/15/09 15:15:09 READING WITH ITEMS
10/15/09 15:15:12 THAT SHOULD BE CLEARED OF FIRST
10/15/09 15:15:15 AND SECOND READING AS
10/15/09 15:15:18 INDICATED
10/15/09 15:15:19 ON THE RECORD.
10/15/09 15:15:25 >> SECOND.
10/15/09 15:15:49 WE HAVE A
10/15/09 15:15:52 MOTION AND A SECOND.
10/15/09 15:15:55 >> MOTION
10/15/09 15:15:56 CARRIES.
10/15/09 15:15:59 SECOND READING WILL BE
10/15/09 15:15:59 HELD
10/15/09 15:16:00 NOVEMBER 5TH AT 9:30 A.M.
10/15/09 15:16:03 >> FOR THE
10/15/09 15:16:05 RECORD, I DID
10/15/09 15:16:07 INCLUDE ALL THE ITEMS PLACED IN
10/15/09 15:16:10 THIS PROVISION.
10/15/09 15:16:14 >> 105.
10/15/09 15:16:38 LOCATED AT 2402 EAST MARTIN
10/15/09 15:16:41 LIEUTENANTER KING
10/15/09 15:16:42 BOULEVARD.
10/15/09 15:16:45 THE REQUEST IS FOR FOUR UNIT
10/15/09 15:16:47 RESIDENCE KERNEL COMPLEX.
10/15/09 15:16:49 --RESIDENTIAL COMPLEX.
10/15/09 15:16:51 THEY REQUESTED A SPECIAL USE ONE
10/15/09 15:16:54 TO CONVERT THAT STRUCTURE BACK
10/15/09 15:16:57 TO A MULTIFAMILY
10/15/09 15:16:58 DWELLING UNIT.
10/15/09 15:17:01 THEY ARE
10/15/09 15:17:03 REQUIRED UNDER THE CI
10/15/09 15:17:06 DISTRICT TO THE ZONING SETBACK
10/15/09 15:17:07 AND HEIGHT LIMITATION.
10/15/09 15:17:09 THE REAR YARD SETBACK ON THIS
10/15/09 15:17:12 PARTICULAR PIECE OF
10/15/09 15:17:14 PROPERTY IS
10/15/09 15:17:15 .35 FEET.
10/15/09 15:17:18 WE DID NOTE THAT WE FOUND THE
10/15/09 15:17:21 SITE INCONSISTENT BASED ON THAT
10/15/09 15:17:22 CRITERIA.
10/15/09 15:17:24 THEY NEED TO CORRECT A FEW
10/15/09 15:17:27 THINGS ON THE SITE
10/15/09 15:17:27 PLAN.
10/15/09 15:17:30 THIS IS AT THE
10/15/09 15:17:33 CORNER OF 24TH
10/15/09 15:17:36 AND MARTIN.
10/15/09 15:17:38 ACROSS FROM THE CEMETERY.
10/15/09 15:17:41 CAN YOU SEE IT ON YOUR AERIAL
10/15/09 15:17:42 IN
10/15/09 15:17:44 THERE'S RESIDENTIAL ON ALL SIDES
10/15/09 15:17:47 BASICALLY WITH THE
10/15/09 15:17:50 CEMETERY
10/15/09 15:17:50 ACROSS THE STREET.
10/15/09 15:17:53 THIS
10/15/09 15:17:56 IS
10/15/09 15:17:59 SUBJECT PROPERTY
10/15/09 15:18:00 LOOKING
10/15/09 15:18:00 NORTH.
10/15/09 15:18:03 THIS IS ALONG 24TH.
10/15/09 15:18:05 THE VIEW FROM 24TH LOOKING EAST.
10/15/09 15:18:08 THIS IS PROPERTY TO THE
10/15/09 15:18:09 EAST OF
10/15/09 15:18:09 THE SITE.
10/15/09 15:18:12 THE NEXT PROPERTY DOWN IS EAST
10/15/09 15:18:15 TO THE
10/15/09 15:18:16 SITE.
10/15/09 15:18:19 NORTH OF THE SITE, WEST OF THE
10/15/09 15:18:22 SITE, AND SOUTH
10/15/09 15:18:23 OF THE SITE.
10/15/09 15:18:25 YOU'LL NOTE IN YOUR STAFF REPORT
10/15/09 15:18:27 THERE'S A FEW CHANGES THAT WOULD
10/15/09 15:18:29 BE NEEDED IF COUNCIL WERE SO
10/15/09 15:18:31 INCLINED TO ACTUALLY OVERTURN
10/15/09 15:18:34 THE DENIAL AND
10/15/09 15:18:35 APPROVE THEIR
10/15/09 15:18:37 REQUEST FROM TRANSPORTATION AND
10/15/09 15:18:39 LANDSCAPE, THOSE SITE PLAN
10/15/09 15:18:41 REVISIONS FOR HANDED TO YOU ON A
10/15/09 15:18:42 SEPARATE SHEET.
10/15/09 15:18:44 IF YOU ARE INCLINED TO APPROVE,
10/15/09 15:18:47 YOU WOULD NEED TO MAKE THAT
10/15/09 15:18:50 APART OF THE YOUR
10/15/09 15:18:52 MOTION AS
10/15/09 15:18:55 APART OF SECOND READING.
10/15/09 15:18:58 ACCORDING TO THE
10/15/09 15:18:58 APPLICATION,
10/15/09 15:19:00 THIS IS STANDARD MULTIFAMILY
10/15/09 15:19:00 UNITS.
10/15/09 15:19:04 FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND FROM THE
10/15/09 15:19:05 APPLICATION, IT'S NOT
10/15/09 15:19:07 NECESSARILY A STRUCTURED LIVING
10/15/09 15:19:09 ENVIRONMENT OR ANY TYPE OF
10/15/09 15:19:11 HOUSING STRICTLY FOR HOMELESS
10/15/09 15:19:11 PEOPLE.
10/15/09 15:19:13 THEY ARE TREATING THESE AS
10/15/09 15:19:14 MULTIFAMILY UNITS.
10/15/09 15:19:16 >> PEOPLE THAT ARE HOMELESS
10/15/09 15:19:17 WILL BE LIVING THERE?
10/15/09 15:19:20 >> I WILL LET THEM ANSWER THAT.
10/15/09 15:19:26 >> PETITIONER?
10/15/09 15:19:53 >> 2105 NORTH NEBRASKA AND
10/15/09 15:19:53 I
10/15/09 15:19:56 HAVE BEEN SWORN IN.
10/15/09 15:19:58 I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THE
10/15/09 15:20:01 OPPORTUNITY TO SHOW YOU THIS
10/15/09 15:20:01 INFORMATION TODAY.
10/15/09 15:20:04 THREE YEARS AGO, CONNECTED BY
10/15/09 15:20:05 25
10/15/09 15:20:08 APPROACHED US WITH REGARD TO
10/15/09 15:20:10 ISSUES IN OUR COMMUNITY
10/15/09 15:20:11 REGARDING HOMELESSNESS WITH
10/15/09 15:20:13 YOUTH AGING OUT OF FOSTER CARE.
10/15/09 15:20:16 AS YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A
10/15/09 15:20:19 PROBLEM
10/15/09 15:20:21 WITH HOMELESSNESS IN OUR
10/15/09 15:20:21 COMMUNITY.
10/15/09 15:20:24 WE SET OUT TO MEET THIS
10/15/09 15:20:25 NEED FOR
10/15/09 15:20:27 DISORGANIZATION AND PARTNER WITH
10/15/09 15:20:30 ANOTHER ORGANIZATION AS WELL.
10/15/09 15:20:31 WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT OF SEVERAL
10/15/09 15:20:34 OF THE NEW PROJECTS IN THE
10/15/09 15:20:35 COMMUNITY, WE REALIZED WE NEEDED
10/15/09 15:20:38 MORE HOUSING AND IT
10/15/09 15:20:39 WILL
10/15/09 15:20:41 INCREASE THE BED CAPACITY BY 8
10/15/09 15:20:42 IN THE COMMUNITY.
10/15/09 15:20:45 IT'S A SMALL PROJECT IN LINE
10/15/09 15:20:46 WITH THE TEN-YEAR PLAN.
10/15/09 15:20:49 THIS IS THE FIRST MODEL AND
10/15/09 15:20:50 IT'S
10/15/09 15:20:51 PERMANENT HOUSING AND NOT
10/15/09 15:20:52 SHELTER.
10/15/09 15:20:55 IT'S FUNDED BY THE CITY
10/15/09 15:20:58 OF
10/15/09 15:21:01 TAMPA.
10/15/09 15:21:03 HOUSING AND COMMUNITY
10/15/09 15:21:06 DEPARTMENT, WE COULDN'T DO
10/15/09 15:21:09 THIS
10/15/09 15:21:10 WITHOUT THEIR SUPPORT.
10/15/09 15:21:22 WE HAVE RECEIVED FUNDING FROM
10/15/09 15:21:24 THE OFFICE OF HOMELESSNESS AND
10/15/09 15:21:26 ALSO HAD COMMUNITY FUND RAISERS
10/15/09 15:21:29 TO MEET
10/15/09 15:21:31 THE NEEDS OF THE
10/15/09 15:21:32 CAPITAL.
10/15/09 15:21:34 A CONTINUING OF SERVICES WILL BE
10/15/09 15:21:36 PROVIDED FOR EACH LIVING AT THE
10/15/09 15:21:38 FACILITY AND THEY WILL BE
10/15/09 15:21:41 REQUIRED TO PARTICIPATE IN
10/15/09 15:21:46 SUPPORT OF HOUSING SERVICES.
10/15/09 15:23:11 >> DID YOU GET A NOTICE
10/15/09 15:23:12 IN THE
10/15/09 15:23:13 MAIL ABOUT THIS?
10/15/09 15:23:14 >> NO, I DIDN'T GET A NOTICE.
10/15/09 15:23:17 >> THAT'S NOT 250 FEET.
10/15/09 15:23:20 >> SO YOU CAN VOTE ON IT
10/15/09 15:23:20 AND
10/15/09 15:23:22 TALK ABOUT IT WITH YOU YOU
10/15/09 15:23:25 SHOULDN'T HAVE GOTTEN NOTICE
10/15/09 15:23:26 BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT WITHIN 200
10/15/09 15:23:26 FEET.
10/15/09 15:23:26 >> GO AHEAD.
10/15/09 15:23:28 >> I AM DONE.
10/15/09 15:23:31 >> IS THERE
10/15/09 15:23:34 ANYONE IN PUBLIC
10/15/09 15:23:38 WISHING TO SPEAK?
10/15/09 15:24:20 >> I AM ASSUMING YOU'RE
10/15/09 15:24:21 LOOKING
10/15/09 15:24:22 AT 83.
10/15/09 15:24:23 THOSE ARE CORRECT.
10/15/09 15:24:26 WE ARE TRYING TO STAY WITHIN
10/15/09 15:24:27 THE
10/15/09 15:24:29 EXISTING STRUCTURES AND THE
10/15/09 15:24:30 ALLOTTED DOLLARS.
10/15/09 15:24:32 >> I UNDERSTAND THAT.
10/15/09 15:24:35 I THINK BY THE SIZE OF
10/15/09 15:24:35 THE
10/15/09 15:24:37 UNITS, YOU'RE TRYING TO CRAM IN
10/15/09 15:24:40 AS MUCH AS YOU CAN IN A SMALL
10/15/09 15:24:40 AREA.
10/15/09 15:24:42 IF YOU HAD THREE, YOU WOULDN'T
10/15/09 15:24:44 NEAT YOUR OBJECTIVE AND YOU
10/15/09 15:24:48 WOULD HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH
10/15/09 15:24:48 ANY
10/15/09 15:24:51 CITY ORDNANCE OF SETBACKS
10/15/09 15:24:52 AND SO
10/15/09 15:24:53 FORTH.
10/15/09 15:24:55 THE FOOTPRINT IS ALMOST THE SIZE
10/15/09 15:24:58 OF THE LOT.
10/15/09 15:24:59 IN ORDER TO ACCOMPLISH THAT, YOU
10/15/09 15:25:02 HAVE TO HAVE BEDROOMS
10/15/09 15:25:02 THAT ARE
10/15/09 15:25:03 8-FOOT WIDE?
10/15/09 15:25:06 >> THEY ARE
10/15/09 15:25:09 10 X 8 X 10.
10/15/09 15:25:12 IT'S SMALLER BUT IT'S A STANDARD
10/15/09 15:25:13 SIZE BEDROOM.
10/15/09 15:25:14 EVERYTHING SITS WITHIN THE
10/15/09 15:25:17 EXISTING
10/15/09 15:25:18 STRUCTURE OF THE
10/15/09 15:25:18 BUILDING.
10/15/09 15:25:21 >> THEY ARE CONFINED AND REALLY
10/15/09 15:25:23 SMALL AND IN ORDER TO ACCOMPLISH
10/15/09 15:25:26 HOW YOU WANT IT, YOU DID
10/15/09 15:25:27 THIS, I
10/15/09 15:25:29 GUESS, WITH INTENT TO FIT.
10/15/09 15:25:31 I THINK YOUR PROPERTY IS TOO
10/15/09 15:25:31 SMALL FOR 4.
10/15/09 15:25:32 THE 3 WOULD BE FINE.
10/15/09 15:25:35 >> WE'RE TRYING
10/15/09 15:25:38 TO MEET THE
10/15/09 15:25:39 OBJECTIVES WITH THE HOMELESS
10/15/09 15:25:40 COALITION.
10/15/09 15:25:42 >> THERE'S OTHER PROPERTIES YOU
10/15/09 15:25:45 CAN BUY FOR COALITION.
10/15/09 15:25:47 I AM NOT SAYING YOU, SIR.
10/15/09 15:25:50 BUT WHEN I LIVED IN THE HOUSING
10/15/09 15:25:53 PROJECTS, THEY WERE
10/15/09 15:25:56 10 X 10.
10/15/09 15:25:59 A BASKETBALL
10/15/09 15:26:01 PLAYER COULDN'T
10/15/09 15:26:02 LIVE HERE.
10/15/09 15:26:32 THE STRUCTURE
10/15/09 15:26:33 IS EXISTING.
10/15/09 15:26:34 THAT SETBACK IS EXISTING.
10/15/09 15:26:36 THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME BEFORE
10/15/09 15:26:40 YOU REGARDLESS OF
10/15/09 15:26:43 THE
10/15/09 15:26:43 NUMBER OF
10/15/09 15:26:43 UNITS.
10/15/09 15:26:55 >> MAY I JUST MAKE
10/15/09 15:26:59 ONE
10/15/09 15:27:00 STATEMENT HERE?
10/15/09 15:27:03 THIS
10/15/09 15:27:06 UNIT, YOU
10/15/09 15:27:08 GET TO 661 FEET
10/15/09 15:27:09 AVERAGE SIZE, WHICH IS THE
10/15/09 15:27:11 LENGTH OF THIS TO WHERE THE
10/15/09 15:27:13 FIRST ROW IS AT AND THEN YOU'RE
10/15/09 15:27:16 GOING TO HAVE LIVING
10/15/09 15:27:17 ROOM, TWO
10/15/09 15:27:20 BEDROOMS, A KITCHEN AND BATH AND
10/15/09 15:27:21 CLOSE SETS.
10/15/09 15:27:23 IT WOULD BE VERY JAMMED FOR
10/15/09 15:27:24 THOSE PEOPLE TO LIVE LIKE THAT.
10/15/09 15:27:27 >> ALL I CAN SAY IF THE SIZE OF
10/15/09 15:27:30 THE UNIT IS NOT --THE SIZE OF
10/15/09 15:27:32 THE UNIT IS NOT UNDER THE
10/15/09 15:27:33 REVIEW.
10/15/09 15:27:36 >>
10/15/09 15:27:38 I UNDERSTAND THAT.
10/15/09 15:27:53 >> I APOLOGIZE.
10/15/09 15:27:56 I WAS SLIGHTLY
10/15/09 15:27:58 DISTRACTED DURING
10/15/09 15:27:59 YOUR PRESENTATION.
10/15/09 15:28:02 IS THIS PRETTY
10/15/09 15:28:03 MUCH LIKE A
10/15/09 15:28:04 TRANSITION-TYPE OF FACILITY?
10/15/09 15:28:06 >> THIS IS FOR INDIVIDUALS WHO
10/15/09 15:28:09 ARE AGING OUT OF FOSTER CARE.
10/15/09 15:28:11 WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 18-YEAR-OLDS
10/15/09 15:28:13 WHO AGE OUT OF THE SYSTEM WHO
10/15/09 15:28:16 HAVE NO OTHER PLACE
10/15/09 15:28:19 TO GO AND
10/15/09 15:28:19 IT
10/15/09 15:28:21 STILL MEETS ALL OF THE STANDARD
10/15/09 15:28:22 HOUSING CODES AND HAS BEEN
10/15/09 15:28:24 FUNDED BE BY THE CITY OF TAMPA.
10/15/09 15:28:27 >> I WAS GOING
10/15/09 15:28:29 TO ASK THAT.
10/15/09 15:28:31 >> I THINK WE IMMEDIATE TO
10/15/09 15:28:34 RECALL WHAT WE'RE HERE TO TALK
10/15/09 15:28:37 ABOUT, THE FACT IT'S BEING
10/15/09 15:28:41 A
10/15/09 15:28:44 DECISION WITH HOMELESS
10/15/09 15:28:47 COALITION.
10/15/09 15:28:50 THERE'S A REQUEST
10/15/09 15:28:52 TO HAVE A
10/15/09 15:28:55 MULTIPLE FAMILY DWELLING
10/15/09 15:28:58 IN A CI
10/15/09 15:28:59 UNIT.
10/15/09 15:29:01 UNDER THE CRITERIA, THERE'S TWO
10/15/09 15:29:02 CRITERIA.
10/15/09 15:29:04 THEY HAVE DIRECT ACCESS TO A
10/15/09 15:29:07 STREET AND IF THAT SITE IS
10/15/09 15:29:10 LOCATED IN OFFICE OR
10/15/09 15:29:11 COMMERCIAL
10/15/09 15:29:13 DISTRICT, THEY MEET THE
10/15/09 15:29:16 REGULATIONS FOR THE ZONING
10/15/09 15:29:16 DISTRICT.
10/15/09 15:29:18 THE REASON THE ZONING
10/15/09 15:29:20 ADMINISTRATOR COULD NOT APPROVE
10/15/09 15:29:24 THIS IS BECAUSE THAT
10/15/09 15:29:25 SETBACK
10/15/09 15:29:28 COULD NOT BE COMPLIED WITH.
10/15/09 15:29:31 I AM GETTING CONCERNED INTO WHO
10/15/09 15:29:34 IS USING IT INSTEAD OF WHAT THE
10/15/09 15:29:35 SETBACK IS.
10/15/09 15:29:38 WE HAVE
10/15/09 15:29:42 TO FOCUS ON THE
10/15/09 15:29:42 CRITERIA.
10/15/09 15:30:03 IF
10/15/09 15:30:06 YOU'RE GOING TO APPROVE OR
10/15/09 15:30:08 DENY THIS, IT'S BASED TON WAIVER
10/15/09 15:30:09 THAT'S BEING REQUESTED, WHICH IS
10/15/09 15:30:12 A WAIVER TO THE REAR YARD
10/15/09 15:30:15 SETBACK AND
10/15/09 15:30:17 I UNDERSTAND IT'S IN
10/15/09 15:30:18 EXISTING STRUCTURE AS A RESIDENT
10/15/09 15:30:21 AND IF YOU FEEL GIVEN THE NATURE
10/15/09 15:30:22 OF WHERE THIS IS LOCATED IS NOT
10/15/09 15:30:24 APPROPRIATE TO HAVE A
10/15/09 15:30:26 RESIDENTIAL USE AND YOU
10/15/09 15:30:27 DETERMINE THE WAIVER IS
10/15/09 15:30:28 INAPPROPRIATE, THEN THAT WOULD
10/15/09 15:30:30 BE THE BASIS FOR YOUR DENIAL.
10/15/09 15:30:31 >> THANK YOU.
10/15/09 15:30:34 >> I WANTED TO SAY THAT AS A
10/15/09 15:30:37 PERSON SPENDING A LOT OF MONEY
10/15/09 15:30:40 ON DORM HOUSING, THIS
10/15/09 15:30:45 IS NOT
10/15/09 15:30:45 OVERLY SMALL.
10/15/09 15:30:48 >> WHAT
10/15/09 15:30:51 I
10/15/09 15:30:52 STATED EARLIER IS
10/15/09 15:30:54 IT'S SMALL BECAUSE THEY ARE
10/15/09 15:30:56 TRYING TO FIT FOUR INTO
10/15/09 15:30:57 SOMETHING THAT ONLY THREE SHOULD
10/15/09 15:30:58 BE IN.
10/15/09 15:31:00 IF THEY DID THAT, THEY WOULD
10/15/09 15:31:03 MEET ALL THE REQUIREMENTS AND
10/15/09 15:31:05 THERE WOULD HAVE NEVER --WE
10/15/09 15:31:06 WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN HERE
10/15/09 15:31:08 DISCUSSING THIS BECAUSE IT WOULD
10/15/09 15:31:09 HAVE GONE THROUGH THE CITY'S
10/15/09 15:31:10 PROCESS IMMEDIATELY.
10/15/09 15:31:11 AM I CORRECT?
10/15/09 15:31:14 >> NO.
10/15/09 15:31:17 AGAIN, THIS IS A RESIDENTIAL USE
10/15/09 15:31:18 IN A COMMERCIAL DISTRICT AND
10/15/09 15:31:21 THAT REAR SETBACK IS REQUIRED TO
10/15/09 15:31:22 MEET RM 24.
10/15/09 15:31:24 IT DOES NOT, REGARDLESS OF HOW
10/15/09 15:31:25 MANY UNITS.
10/15/09 15:31:28 THEY WOULD
10/15/09 15:31:30 BE HERE BEFORE YOU.
10/15/09 15:31:33 >>
10/15/09 15:31:48 -A DIFFERENT SET WAK.
10/15/09 15:31:51 --THEY HAVE
10/15/09 15:31:55 A DIFFERENT
10/15/09 15:31:56 SETBACK.
10/15/09 15:31:57 THE JUDGMENT YOU'RE MAKING
10/15/09 15:32:01 TODAY, THE USE OF THIS DISTRICT
10/15/09 15:32:04 BUT
10/15/09 15:32:05 LOOKING SOLELY AT THE
10/15/09 15:32:05 SETBACK.
10/15/09 15:32:09 >> WHAT IS THE LAND USE
10/15/09 15:32:09 THAT
10/15/09 15:32:12 WILL ONLY --
10/15/09 15:32:15 WHAT'S THE ADJACENT
10/15/09 15:32:16 LAND USE TO THE SETBACK?
10/15/09 15:32:18 >> IT HAS RESIDENTIAL.
10/15/09 15:32:19 >> OKAY.
10/15/09 15:32:22 >> IT'S
10/15/09 15:32:25 ALL SINGLE FAMILY
10/15/09 15:32:27 RESIDENTIAL AROUND IT.
10/15/09 15:32:29 >> HOW IS THERE COMMERCIAL
10/15/09 15:32:32 ZONING ON WHAT APPEARS
10/15/09 15:32:36 TO BE A
10/15/09 15:32:37 RESIDENTIAL?
10/15/09 15:32:40 >>
10/15/09 15:33:01 >> MOVE
10/15/09 15:33:01 TO CLOSE.
10/15/09 15:33:02 >> SECOND.
10/15/09 15:33:05 >> ALL IN FAVOR?
10/15/09 15:33:06 >> THANK YOU.
10/15/09 15:33:09 I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE
10/15/09 15:33:10 FOR
10/15/09 15:33:13 APPROVAL WITH
10/15/09 15:33:14 THE INCLUSION OF
10/15/09 15:33:15 THE CHANGES TO THE SITE PLAN
10/15/09 15:33:17 THAT WERE INDICATED BY CITY
10/15/09 15:33:17 STAFF.
10/15/09 15:33:21 >>
10/15/09 15:33:22 SECOND WITH COMMENT.
10/15/09 15:33:26 >> IP GOING TO
10/15/09 15:33:26 SECOND WITH
10/15/09 15:33:28 COMMENT --I AM GOING TO SECOND
10/15/09 15:33:29 WITH COMMENT.
10/15/09 15:33:32 I SPOKE TO THE JUDGE OVER IN THE
10/15/09 15:33:33 COURT ABOUT THIS FOSTER CARE
10/15/09 15:33:35 ISSUE AND IT'S A HUGE ISSUE P.
10/15/09 15:33:38 THEY GET 18 AND THEY ARE NO
10/15/09 15:33:40 LONGER IN FOSTER CARE AND DON'T
10/15/09 15:33:41 HAVE THE FAMILY SUPPORT
10/15/09 15:33:43 MECHANISM THAT OUR CHILDREN DO
10/15/09 15:33:45 AND A LOT OF TIMES THEY MAY WANT
10/15/09 15:33:47 TO GO TO COMMUNITY COLLEGE OR
10/15/09 15:33:48 START WORKING BUT THEY HAVE
10/15/09 15:33:51 NOWHERE TO GO AND THEY NEED
10/15/09 15:33:52 HELP.
10/15/09 15:33:53 THE CITY, OBVIOUSLY AND MAYOR
10/15/09 15:33:54 AND THIS COUNCIL HAS SUPPORTED
10/15/09 15:33:57 IT AND I THINK WE SHOULD
10/15/09 15:33:59 CONTINUE TO SUPPORT IT.
10/15/09 15:34:01 >> I CAN'T SUPPORT IT.
10/15/09 15:34:03 IT'S A RESIDENTIAL AREA AND
10/15/09 15:34:05 EVERYTHING IS RUNNING SINGLE
10/15/09 15:34:05 FAMILY HOLMES.
10/15/09 15:34:09 THERE'S NO APARTMENTS AROUND IT.
10/15/09 15:34:13 I CANNOT SUPPORT IT.
10/15/09 15:34:37 >> TOUGH REMEMBER
10/15/09 15:34:38 THAT WE CAN'T
10/15/09 15:34:41 --YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER
10/15/09 15:34:42 THAT YOU
10/15/09 15:34:45 CAN'T VOTE ON IT BECAUSE OF WHO
10/15/09 15:34:46 IS USING IT.
10/15/09 15:34:47 THEY DON'T MEET THE SETBACK
10/15/09 15:34:48 REQUIREMENTS.
10/15/09 15:34:49 >> THAT WAS APART OF MY MOTION.
10/15/09 15:34:55 >> I UNDERSTAND.
10/15/09 15:34:58 >>
10/15/09 15:35:00 ALL IN FAVOR?
10/15/09 15:35:02 >> 3-2.
10/15/09 15:35:06 >> THE MOTION DOES
10/15/09 15:35:06 NOT PASS.
10/15/09 15:35:08 >> UNDER RULE 4-C.
10/15/09 15:35:11 >> DID YOU GET WHO
10/15/09 15:35:12 VOTED WHICH
10/15/09 15:35:13 WAY?
10/15/09 15:35:16 >> THE MOTION DID
10/15/09 15:35:19 NOT PASS WITH
10/15/09 15:35:22 MILLER VOTING NO AND MULL HERN
10/15/09 15:35:24 AND SCOTT BEING ABSENT AT VOTE.
10/15/09 15:35:25 >> I VOTED NO.
10/15/09 15:35:32 >> AND ALSO
10/15/09 15:35:36 MERANDA VOTING NO.
10/15/09 15:35:45 >> I WILL ASK BY
10/15/09 15:35:48 E-MAIL TO HAVE
10/15/09 15:35:51 COUNCIL MEMBERS, SCOTT AND MULL
10/15/09 15:35:52 REVIEW THE RECORD AND BE
10/15/09 15:35:56 PREPARED TO VOTE IN THREE WEEKS,
10/15/09 15:35:57 AND THAT'S NOVEMBER 3RD.
10/15/09 15:35:59 >> NOVEMBER 5TH!
10/15/09 15:36:00 SORRY, NOVEMBER 5TH.
10/15/09 15:36:03 >>
10/15/09 15:36:05 SOMETIME AFTER BUSINESS,
10/15/09 15:36:07 AROUND 10:30 A.M.
10/15/09 15:36:10 >> DO WE HAVE
10/15/09 15:36:14 ANY NEW BUSINESS?
10/15/09 15:36:23 >> I HAVE AN EAGLE SCOUT THAT
10/15/09 15:36:26 WOULD
10/15/09 15:36:29 LIKE
10/15/09 15:36:35 TO
10/15/09 15:36:38 PRESENT
10/15/09 15:36:39 ACCOMMODATION TO ALEX.
10/15/09 15:36:40 THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
10/15/09 15:36:43 >> WE HAVE A MOTION
10/15/09 15:36:46 AND A
10/15/09 15:36:46 SECOND.
10/15/09 15:37:35 >>
10/15/09 15:37:36 MOVE TO RECEIVE AND FILE.
10/15/09 15:37:39 >> SECOND ON MOTION TO RECEIVE
10/15/09 15:37:40 AND FILE.
10/15/09 15:37:42 >> ALL IN FAVOR?
10/15/09 15:37:45 ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT
10/15/09 15:37:49 WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK?