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Thursday, September 30, 2010
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>>THOMAS SCOTT: Tampa City Council will now come to


09:03:58 The chair will yield to the honorable Gwen Miller.

09:04:00 >>GWEN MILLER: It is my honor to introduce the guest

09:04:08 who will give the invocation.

09:04:09 This is one of the most modest people that I know.

09:04:14 This introduction will be quite short.

09:04:17 She is a 33-year-old employee currently serving as the

09:04:22 human rights investigator, now Community Affairs

09:04:22 Division.

09:04:25 She's also a member of Delta Sigma Theta sorority.

09:04:36 She made a mistake.

09:04:38 [ Laughter ]

09:04:38 And we ask you to stand for the invocation and pledge

09:04:42 of allegiance.

09:04:43 >> Good morning, everyone.

09:04:45 May we bow our heads, please?

09:04:52 O Lord, I pray that you fill us with the spirit of

09:04:55 wisdom this morning those whom we have entrusted.

09:05:03 Lord, I pray that they are able to promote the

09:05:09 well-being of all our citizens, and that our humble

09:05:12 efforts to right judgment be consistent guided by you

09:05:25 Lord, if there was doubt, in our concerns this morning,

09:05:30 I pray that you grant our officials your grace so that

09:05:33 they will always seek your will, for in the long run,

09:05:40 Lord, we all shall prosper from their course of action.

09:05:44 I ask these and all blessings in your precious name.

09:05:48 Amen.

09:05:48 [ Pledge of Allegiance ]

09:06:09 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you very much.

09:06:12 Roll call.

09:06:12 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: Here.

09:06:16 >>GWEN MILLER: Here.

09:06:18 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Here.

09:06:19 >>MARY MULHERN: Here.

09:06:21 >>CURTIS STOKES: Here.

09:06:21 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Here.

09:06:24 Just a few things.

09:06:25 We have a letter or memorandum from councilman Capin,

09:06:30 due to an event that I am attended on September 30, I

09:06:36 may be late arriving at the City Council meeting.

09:06:39 All right.

09:06:39 So we read it as she enters

09:06:42 The introduction.

09:06:46 Secondly, on our budget hearing that we had on Tuesday

09:06:49 night, a memorandum that we did not put into the record

09:06:53 for councilman Stokes, but I do have a day it was sent

09:07:02 to us for Tuesday September 28.

09:07:05 He was out of town so I want to make sure we add this

09:07:08 to this agenda, to this record.

09:07:10 Also, council, I want to remind you that I had the

09:07:14 clerk to forward to you again a memorandum that when

09:07:16 you are out, or you are going to be late, that you

09:07:19 submit to the clerk and to the chair a letter, or pro

09:07:28 tem Mr. Miranda, and this is something that we

09:07:32 discussed several months ago.

09:07:34 So I want to again remind you that when you are out, or

09:07:37 there is a situation where you aren't going to be in

09:07:40 attendance, that you send that not only to me but to

09:07:42 the clerk, and I suggest to all other council persons.

09:07:47 My habit for 14 years is when I am going to be out, it

09:07:50 went to everybody so that everybody knows I am not

09:07:52 going to be here.

09:07:55 So if someone forget it can be raised.

09:07:58 Thank you very much.

09:07:59 At this time I will yield to Councilwoman Miller.

09:08:17 >>GWEN MILLER: This be morning we are going to

09:08:18 recognize our Officer of the Month, Harry Augello, and

09:08:24 I am going to turn it over to Chief Castor to tell you

09:08:27 why he is Officer of the Month.

09:08:29 >> Chief Jane Castor: Good morning.

09:08:32 It's my distinct honor to bring to you Harry Augello.

09:08:38 Harry, even though he's only been with the Tampa Police

09:08:40 Department for five years he came to us as a seasoned

09:08:43 investigator and police officer from another agency and

09:08:46 he has done an amazing job.

09:08:48 He's assigned to the district one detective latent

09:08:52 detective squad and works the Westshore corridor in

09:08:55 that area.

09:08:56 And from November to May of '09 and 2010 we had a

09:09:01 series of jewelry store robberies in which the

09:09:04 individual would go in, he would talk the sales

09:09:08 personnel into showing him high end pieces of jewelry,

09:09:11 gold chains, and then he would run from the store with

09:09:14 those.

09:09:14 We were unable to identify this be individual until

09:09:18 Harry went through some of those video clips and saw

09:09:22 that he was wearing a Wendy's uniform in one of those,

09:09:26 a shirt.

09:09:27 So he not on the only put these suspect photographs out

09:09:30 to other law enforcement agencies in the area, he

09:09:34 contacted Wendy's headquarters and Hillsborough that

09:09:37 displayed or shown to all the Wendy's managers and was

09:09:42 able to come up with a suspect who had actually been

09:09:44 fired from Wendy's some months earlier and obviously

09:09:48 failed to return his uniforms.

09:09:49 But Harry got that information, went out, put this be

09:09:53 individual under arrest.

09:09:55 He also found that he had pawned some of that jewelry

09:09:58 that had been stolen in Hillsborough County, so he also

09:10:03 cleared those offenses as well.

09:10:04 And then he had the prints on the suspect and cleared a

09:10:10 number of unrelated crimes as well.

09:10:13 So he did an outstanding job in this particular

09:10:15 incident and does an amazing job in keeping the

09:10:18 Westshore area crime-free in that particular area.

09:10:22 Also, I am going to embarrass him a little bit.

09:10:25 In May of last year we had the national law enforcement

09:10:29 memorial, and Harry was recognized.

09:10:31 They picked 12 officers, Officer of the Month for each

09:10:34 year on a national level, and Harry was recognized for

09:10:38 life saving efforts in the Tampa Bay area during that

09:10:42 event in D.C. and brought national recognition to the

09:10:47 Tampa Police Department.

09:10:48 So he does an amazing job day in and day out, not only

09:10:52 as a crime fighter but also as a liaison between the

09:10:54 business community and the Tampa Police Department.

09:10:58 So it's certainly my honor to recognize him as Officer

09:11:00 of the Month for September.

09:11:03 [ Applause ]

09:11:13 >>GWEN MILLER: On behalf of Tampa City Council I would

09:11:14 like to give this commendation that says everything she

09:11:18 just said.

09:11:18 The private sector is going to give you somebody

09:11:21 things.

09:11:23 I am going to begin with Charlie's steak house.

09:11:25 >> Congratulations.

09:11:29 I'm from the flab aquarium

09:11:31 On behalf of Florida Aquarium, when you are not out

09:11:34 protecting our streets, if you have a chance to come

09:11:36 and enjoy some family fun, please enjoy the Florida

09:11:39 Aquarium for an entire year.

09:11:51 >> Danny Lewis from Bill Currie Ford.

09:12:05 We present you with this watch.

09:12:07 Once again, thanks.

09:12:08 >> Congratulations.

09:12:13 On behalf of Tampa police benevolent association a $100

09:12:19 gift certificate to be used anyway you want to.

09:12:21 Congratulations.

09:12:21 >> These are not for you.

09:12:28 This is for your significant other.

09:12:30 And maybe your young man.

09:12:50 >> Steve Stickley representing Stepps towing, Todd and

09:12:56 Judy Stepp would like to offer you this statue for a

09:13:02 job well done.

09:13:02 We also have a gift certificate to Lee Roy Selmon

09:13:04 Expressway.

09:13:05 Enjoy it.

09:13:06 Thank you very much.

09:13:10 >> The Straz center, we appreciate our partnership with

09:13:16 the police department and congratulate you on this

09:13:18 wonderful honor.

09:13:19 And happy to have you here

09:13:39 >>STEVE MICHELINI: I don't want to blame it on traffic

09:13:41 or the rain but I will.

09:13:42 On behalf of Rigatoni's, we are happy to present you

09:13:46 with a gift certificate for your choice of lunch or

09:13:48 dinner.

09:13:49 On behalf of Bern's steak house, we are providing you

09:13:53 with a $100 gift certificate so you can enjoy your

09:13:56 evening with your wife and your flowers.

09:14:00 Bryn Allen is going to provide you with a photographic

09:14:08 package for you and your family.

09:14:11 And we hope you enjoy yourself.

09:14:13 >>> I am absolutely speechless.

09:14:27 Thank you very much.

09:14:28 I appreciate everybody being here today.

09:14:30 And I just kind of look at it as doing the job I am

09:14:34 supposed to be doing.

09:14:35 I enjoy doing my job.

09:14:37 I love working for the City of Tampa.

09:14:39 It's the greatest place I have ever worked and I have

09:14:41 worked in other agencies before.

09:14:42 But I have some great leadership, and I really need to

09:14:46 recognize them as well.

09:14:47 Obviously Chief Castor, major Augello and the captain

09:14:54 for putting me in a position to proceed about something

09:14:58 I am very passionate about.

09:15:00 I thank you all.

09:15:01 [ Applause ]

09:15:28 >>GWEN MILLER: For the firefighter of the quarter, we

09:15:30 have the division chief.

09:15:42 Firefighter of the of the quarter.

09:15:47 >> Tom Forward, fire chief, Tampa fire.

09:15:50 It is my honor to present to you for this quarter our

09:15:56 firefighter of the quarter.

09:15:57 Tampa Fire Rescue is proud to recognize Jim Gary as our

09:16:04 firefighter of the quarter.

09:16:05 He has been with the City of Tampa for 29 years and

09:16:07 during his career he has risen through the ranks from

09:16:09 the rank of firefighter, paramedic, lieutenant,

09:16:12 captain, and now chief officer.

09:16:15 Chief Gary has chosen a very difficult task throughout

09:16:20 his career.

09:16:20 He has never chose ten easy road.

09:16:23 He has spent 15 years decorate captain of fire station

09:16:27 number one which is the City of Tampa's busiest fire

09:16:30 station.

09:16:31 He has been a former member of the tactical medical

09:16:34 response team, also an instructor with the extrication

09:16:38 team and sat as a judge on the international extra

09:16:41 indication team as well.

09:16:42 Chief Gary is known as a firefighter's firefighter.

09:16:46 He has always been one of those that has espoused

09:16:50 formal education, and he has pushed and been an

09:16:54 advocate for formal education for many of our personnel

09:16:56 on the Tampa fire department.

09:16:58 He holds a masters degree in business administration

09:17:02 from the University of Tampa, and he is also the head

09:17:06 coordinator instructor for the program at Hillsborough

09:17:09 County community college.

09:17:11 Chief Gary has always been one of those persons that

09:17:14 has pushed forward education.

09:17:16 One distinct posture that he has done over the years,

09:17:21 in the late 80s, the department recognized the number

09:17:25 of paramedics in the station or those in the City of

09:17:30 Tampa.

09:17:33 The City of Tampa was underrepresented in

09:17:38 African-American paramedics.

09:17:40 Chief Gary instructed a group, a class of 13 paramedic

09:17:45 students in which six of those students were

09:17:47 African-Americans, and all of those African-American

09:17:49 students successfully passed the paramedic course and

09:17:53 were subsequently certified by the State of Florida.

09:17:57 I was one of those paramedics.

09:17:59 Chief Gary has done a great job.

09:18:04 But he has been unparalleled asset to Tampa Fire

09:18:06 Rescue.

09:18:08 He has absolutely been the epitome of instruction and a

09:18:12 true officer and respected firefighter, for not only

09:18:16 the City of Tampa, the State of Florida, but be the

09:18:20 fire fighting profession as a whole.

09:18:22 He is accomplished by his significant other TONI, and I

09:18:27 present Chief Gary as our firefighter of the quarter.

09:18:33 [ Applause ]

09:18:36 And Chief Gary, on behalf of City of Tampa fire rescue,

09:18:39 I would like to provide you this -- present you this

09:18:42 award, which is presented to Chief James Gary,

09:18:47 firefighter of the quarter for the fourth quarter,

09:18:53 September 30, 2010.

09:18:56 [ Applause ]

09:19:02 >>GWEN MILLER: On behalf of Tampa City Council I would

09:19:04 like to present you this commendation that says all the

09:19:06 good things that he just said about you.

09:19:08 And the private sector is going to give you some gift

09:19:11 certificate.

09:19:11 I start with Charlie's steak house.

09:19:13 >>> Thank you very much.

09:19:14 >> Congratulations.

09:19:20 On behalf of Florida Aquarium an annual pass for four

09:19:23 to the Florida Aquarium.

09:19:32 >> Danny Lewis from Bill Currie Ford.

09:19:36 I'm honored to present you this watch from the Bill

09:19:38 Currie family.

09:19:44 You look like you have created a great fire department.

09:19:47 >>> Thanks very much.

09:19:48 I appreciate it.

09:19:54 >> Congratulations.

09:19:55 We hope to see you at the Straz center.

09:19:57 And I hope in retirement you will be coming often.

09:20:05 >> Steve Stickley representing Stepp's towing, Jim and

09:20:11 Judy Stepp.

09:20:12 We would like to offer this to you for a job well done.

09:20:20 Gift certificate to Lee Roy Selmons.

09:20:25 Thank you very much.

09:20:25 >>STEVE MICHELINI: Congratulations.

09:20:28 On behalf of Bryn Allen again, we have a photo package

09:20:31 for you and your family, Rigatoni's, your choice to

09:20:36 lunch or dinner, and Bern's steak house.

09:20:39 >>> I don't have a dozen roses for you but this will

09:20:50 say call the shop, we'll deliver it, have them do it

09:20:53 this afternoon.

09:20:53 You can hold it till Valentine's day and it's $75.

09:20:59 [ Laughter ]

09:21:01 >>> It's been a complete honor and privilege to serve

09:21:12 as a City of Tampa firefighter the last 30 years, in a

09:21:15 profession that I feel completely blessed to have had

09:21:17 the chance to serve the public in.

09:21:19 The experiences I have had, the brotherhood, the bonds

09:21:22 I made here at Tampa Fire Rescue are the experience of

09:21:26 my life.

09:21:27 I feel completely blessed to have had those, and to be

09:21:31 honored by my fellow brother firefighters, I'm very

09:21:35 humbled.

09:21:35 And thank you very much.

09:21:37 [ Applause ]

09:21:45 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you very much.

09:21:46 Congratulations again.

09:21:57 We have our workshops all morning.

09:22:00 Our first workshop this be morning is relative to the

09:22:12 parking lots.

09:22:13 If you all can hold it down we would appreciate it very

09:22:15 much.

09:22:31 >> Mike Callahan, Urban Design.

09:22:35 Council, on June 3rd, 2010, council directed to us

09:22:38 report back to you today on the city's current plans,

09:22:41 current rules governing surface and interim surface

09:22:45 parking lots in the central business district,

09:22:48 specifically how we can enhance those standards.

09:22:52 The issue quite simply is the appearance and

09:22:55 maintenance of our surface lots in the downtown core.

09:22:59 I think we can all agree that the appearance and the

09:23:01 maintenance of our lot in the downtown requires some

09:23:04 attention.

09:23:06 If I might, I would like to show you some current

09:23:09 conditions, visuals of the situation downtown, and I

09:23:14 want to say, it's not our intent to single anybody out

09:23:17 at this point.

09:23:17 I just want to show you some photographs throughout the

09:23:22 downtown area.

09:23:22 This shows surface parking lot on unmaintained, ADA is

09:23:28 not paved as required.

09:23:29 There's a number of situations where we have lack of

09:23:35 perimeter landscape and potholes throughout the parking

09:23:39 areas, just totally unmaintained parking area and our

09:23:45 perimeter corridor.

09:23:46 Again, in the unpaved conditions, just lack of

09:23:50 maintenance, lack of landscape, lack of trees.

09:23:53 But I want to say for everyone that we could find

09:23:57 that's bad, there are a few that I think meet the

09:24:01 conditions.

09:24:02 One, some paved parking lots delineated spaces, trees,

09:24:09 maintenance in good condition.

09:24:10 Certainly there is a paradigm, a couple paradigms where

09:24:13 we have a strong perimeter landscape surrounding the

09:24:18 parking area and trees.

09:24:21 So based on your directive, here's what we have done to

09:24:28 date.

09:24:30 We physically and visually surveyed most of the surface

09:24:34 lots in the central business district, approximately

09:24:36 119 of them, we created a spreadsheet for all the

09:24:40 conditions that we observed, and there's too much to go

09:24:42 through basically, who the property owners were.

09:24:47 This is private.

09:24:48 The streetscape improvement.

09:24:49 Interior improvements and so forth.

09:24:56 So we researched other cities throughout the country

09:24:59 and how they deal with surface parking lots and quite

09:25:03 frankly the empty lot syndrome and have documented our

09:25:06 findings.

09:25:07 We found, however, that the most practical standards to

09:25:10 emulate are the ones that we have recently implemented

09:25:13 in Ybor City.

09:25:15 It's just that the lots are much bigger in downtown

09:25:18 than Ybor.

09:25:19 We bounced our ideas off the downtown partnership, the

09:25:23 public realm committee.

09:25:27 But clearly the most effective way to improve our

09:25:29 parking areas is to enforce our zoning codes.

09:25:32 And our approach, based on our study, is to deal with

09:25:38 five areas, and simplify chapter 27-246 where we

09:25:44 eliminate the interim and the special use categories

09:25:47 for surface parking.

09:25:49 And then on these five areas, we would like to simplify

09:25:54 the code in this manner.

09:25:56 From the landscape perspective we would have a five

09:26:00 foot landscape perimeter.

09:26:01 We would have the interior landscaped areas waived.

09:26:07 All irrigation would conform to chapter 13 write is

09:26:10 your landscape code as well as tree preservation, there

09:26:13 could be some alternative landscape and irrigation

09:26:16 considered.

09:26:25 The lots could be unpaved or paved but they must meet

09:26:28 the manual for the access apron.

09:26:30 The drive isles paved with asphalt, concrete surface.

09:26:36 We can't have open fields with wheel stops.

09:26:41 ADA material.

09:26:46 Pedestrian access.

09:26:47 We need to have ADA connection to the parking lot to

09:26:49 the public sidewalks.

09:26:50 Alternative parking surface could be considered.

09:26:54 Signage is a big issue.

09:26:56 Three, four, five different.

09:26:58 We have all sorts of conditions out there with signage.

09:27:02 We want to make a single standard for the parking areas

09:27:05 for that.

09:27:06 Fences.

09:27:07 We have a number of different conditions for fences but

09:27:10 basically it's either a black vinyl clad chain link

09:27:14 fence which is permitted right now in the code, or a

09:27:16 metal ornamental fence which is also delineated in

09:27:21 code.

09:27:21 We would like to maintain that standard.

09:27:28 Basically if we were to take a condition like this

09:27:30 which we would see somewhere in the CBD which is

09:27:34 basically a paved lot with no perimeter landscape, with

09:27:44 improvements throughout the parking area, by virtue of

09:27:46 implementing the code, we would have improvements such

09:27:52 as that, which would be quite frankly there would be

09:27:57 five foot landscape buffer around there westbound

09:28:00 trees.

09:28:02 All the parking would be delineated.

09:28:04 Security lighting, asphalt, and in this particular case

09:28:09 asphalt or concrete paving.

09:28:12 We have a time line for doing this, as we go forward.

09:28:16 Basically, we would meet with the stakeholders, draft

09:28:23 code January 2011, prepare the draft code.

09:28:26 Code cycle, we would have that, work the stakeholders,

09:28:32 by next July 2011 we could simplify, as I talked about,

09:28:35 the code, and then we would be back in front of the

09:28:40 council following that.

09:28:41 So there's a couple members of staff here this morning,

09:28:48 if you have any questions.

09:28:50 Ms. Coyle, zoning administrator, Dennis Fernandez.

09:28:53 That concludes my presentation.

09:28:57 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Refresh our memories.

09:28:59 Does this area fall -- I remember back sometime in the

09:29:03 90s when we did the surface parking lot codes and so

09:29:06 forth and so on, we had so much time to come within

09:29:11 conformity.

09:29:12 After that period, there were individuals that came up,

09:29:18 said they need an extension of time, I forget, a one

09:29:20 year, two years or something to that effect.

09:29:25 Were these parking lots in the same category as those

09:29:29 in Ybor City when we did that?

09:29:30 I'm not sure it was.

09:29:32 I'm not sure it wasn't.

09:29:35 What I'm saying is, what happens if we do all this, and

09:29:38 they still don't conform?

09:29:40 What happens then?

09:29:41 >>> Well, Mr. Miranda, I believe one of the ideas that

09:29:47 we would like implemented is to get a single person

09:29:50 assigned to downtown to do a code sweep on that.

09:29:53 At that point, after the grace period, which could be

09:29:56 anywhere from nine months to a year, if they don't

09:30:00 comply, we would put them in violation of the code.

09:30:06 >> What does that mean?

09:30:08 >> Well, I guess they would start accruing fines.

09:30:14 >> Are those fines then, if they come within conformity

09:30:23 within a certain period of time, are they washed off

09:30:26 the books or are they collected?

09:30:28 >> I wish someone was here.

09:30:30 I think Ms. Coyle probably could better answer that

09:30:33 question if she's willing to do so.

09:30:36 >>CATHERINE COYLE: Land development.

09:30:40 The process for actually going through the code

09:30:43 enforcement process, we have a zoning magistrate that

09:30:46 handles zoning cases now. If that zoning magistrate

09:30:50 finds you essentially guilty or not in compliance he

09:30:53 has an option of assessing a fee.

09:30:55 The fines do run daily.

09:30:57 There is a certain amount of time typically given to

09:31:00 come into compliance, and then the fine may or may not

09:31:02 occur.

09:31:03 Once you pass that deadline that's set, only the legal

09:31:08 department is petitioned for a reduction in fee.

09:31:10 I don't believe it goes to zero but it's actually in

09:31:13 the code to tell you exactly that process.

09:31:15 >> Were these lots included in that -- I believe it was

09:31:19 in the late, mid 90s, in Ybor City in.

09:31:23 >> Until recently when we changed the Ybor code on

09:31:26 parking which was almost two years ago now, all parking

09:31:29 lots were treated basically the same throughout the

09:31:31 city.

09:31:31 Everyone followed the same set of rules for interim and

09:31:34 special event lots.

09:31:35 >> What you are saying --

09:31:36 >> So everybody was the same.

09:31:39 March of 1999, I believe, was the hard date for

09:31:42 compliance.

09:31:44 It was extended to 2000, I believe, that year extension

09:31:48 that you are talking about.

09:31:49 That was written in the code as well.

09:31:51 And there was a definition which still is in the code

09:31:54 today, nonconforming parking lots, and that nonconform

09:31:57 parking lot definition describes any parking lot in the

09:32:00 city that didn't meet that standard.

09:32:04 So essentially any parking lot that doesn't meet the

09:32:07 standard of the code today is out of compliance with

09:32:09 code.

09:32:09 >> So then, if I understood what you said, from 2000

09:32:14 on, these lots have been under the umbrella of that

09:32:20 ordinance but have not been conformed in.

09:32:23 >> Correct.

09:32:24 >> So it's only been ten years?

09:32:33 Ten times 365.

09:32:43 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Thank you, chairman.

09:32:44 Cathy Coyle answered some of the questions that I had

09:32:47 to ask.

09:32:49 Ms. Coyle, there are steps in order to come into

09:32:56 compliance for this, for the zoning code, for the

09:33:03 parking lots.

09:33:04 >>> Yes, there's a permitting process.

09:33:07 >>YVONNE CAPIN: A permitting process.

09:33:08 And you named -- how many steps are there to get into,

09:33:13 to do this?

09:33:15 >>CATHERINE COYLE: Under today's regulation -- because

09:33:17 what Mike showed you is President Obama tension future

09:33:20 change in the code, under today's regulations if you

09:33:22 just have land out there, considered vacant or

09:33:25 otherwise, but use parking lot, whatever, if you need

09:33:29 to come into compliance with code, you get to choose

09:33:32 what type of use that is based on how you are using the

09:33:34 property.

09:33:35 We have a special event parking lot, which has very

09:33:37 minimal standards.

09:33:39 It's a six-month permit.

09:33:41 You come to our office.

09:33:42 There's a simple application that you fill out and you

09:33:44 provide a basic sketch of how that's laid out and every

09:33:48 six months you have to review.

09:33:49 Very minimal requirements as far as the condition of

09:33:52 the lot other than your prove proper driveways based on

09:33:56 the transportation technical manual.

09:33:58 The next parking locality which is a five-year time

09:34:01 frame with a one-year potential extension, that also

09:34:04 has minimal requirements.

09:34:07 If you are paved or unpaved and then there's additional

09:34:09 landscaping treatments based on how it's paved or

09:34:12 unpaved.

09:34:13 That, like I said, is a five year time limit.

09:34:16 In the downtown it's a special use 1.

09:34:18 It's reviewed administratively.

09:34:20 It's typically a 30 day time frame to submit that site

09:34:23 plan and application.

09:34:24 We review it to make sure it complies.

09:34:27 If it's approved, you go to permitting and pull your

09:34:29 building permit to actually do those improvements on

09:34:31 the site.

09:34:32 That process can be take as little as a couple of weeks

09:34:37 up to a couple of months, depending on the applicant,

09:34:40 how quickly they get the proper plans in.

09:34:42 The next step is a permanent parking lot.

09:34:45 Either accessory or principal meaning a principal

09:34:48 parking lot is you are paying to park there, and that's

09:34:50 the only use of the property.

09:34:52 Accessory is when it's linked to another use.

09:34:56 And those parking lots, they typically don't come

09:34:59 through us, a principal parking lot, special use.

09:35:04 Accessory just part of that use and just goes through

09:35:07 the permitting process.

09:35:08 >> And what he showed us were permanent?

09:35:16 >> Well, if you heard everything I just said, there are

09:35:20 lots of different --

09:35:23 >> Yes.

09:35:24 >> My personal goal in all of the codes that we have is

09:35:26 to simplify process as much as possible and simplify

09:35:30 types of use, so -- I want the regular person to

09:35:33 understand, if I'm applying for a parking lot, it just

09:35:36 doesn't have to be six different types of parking lots.

09:35:39 It's the form of the parking lot.

09:35:40 Either you are surface parking lot or you are

09:35:44 structural.

09:35:44 So we are trying to simplify it and just have surface

09:35:47 parking.

09:35:48 If you want to have surface parking, that's the use of

09:35:50 the property.

09:35:51 You follow these simple steps.

09:35:53 As far as the condition.

09:35:55 Perimeter landscaping, no enter your -- interior,

09:36:03 pavement, get a permit.

09:36:04 Our goal is to get a permit so it's actually legally

09:36:07 established.

09:36:07 That's the goal.

09:36:10 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Thank you.

09:36:10 I appreciate the explanation and I learned it all right

09:36:13 now.

09:36:13 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Let me just raise the question, if

09:36:17 they have to pave a parking lot, does the code come

09:36:23 into play that they have to have a retention pond?

09:36:26 I think once you start paving, it kicks in.

09:36:33 When I have you have a retention pond as well.

09:36:36 Is that accurate?

09:36:37 >>> It depends on the amount of paving.

09:36:39 If you are paving the entire block, the block parking

09:36:42 lot like the old Maas Brothers site, they were required

09:36:45 to provide some level of retention and the 15-foot

09:36:49 buffer along Tampa street actually is recessed a little

09:36:54 bit.

09:36:55 You can see that is where the water flows.

09:36:57 It very minimal retention downtown.

09:36:59 We do have a certain level of exemption for stormwater

09:37:02 but if you pave the entire site you have to retain

09:37:05 something.

09:37:10 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you.

09:37:11 A couple of questions.

09:37:12 Cost.

09:37:12 I notice ten years.

09:37:15 I don't think anyone got fined.

09:37:17 If they haven't, we haven't collected anything.

09:37:21 If we haven't collected anything we shouldn't have had

09:37:24 the ordinance ten years ago.

09:37:25 What are the costs now to apply for permitting and

09:37:28 processing?

09:37:29 One.

09:37:29 And two, when you mention city lots, are we going to

09:37:33 conform to the same things that they are doing, that we

09:37:35 are presenting now?

09:37:40 >>CATHERINE COYLE: I believe the research that Mr.

09:37:42 Callahan found is the city lots are actually paved.

09:37:45 >> But retention pond --

09:37:46 >> The city lots are actually paved.

09:37:48 We are focusing on the unpaved lots just like with

09:37:51 Ybor, trying to follow the same methodology that

09:37:54 council directed in that particular situation.

09:37:56 So focusing on those unpaved lots they are non-city.

09:37:59 >> You are very smart because you said they are all

09:38:01 paved, and they are paved.

09:38:03 But to come into conformity with all of the ordinances

09:38:06 on trees and specialties for handicapped, and all the

09:38:11 things you said earlier, I want to make sure that we,

09:38:14 the writers of the ordinance, comply with our own

09:38:17 ordinance first before the others, understand that this

09:38:21 is what we want and set the example of what downtown

09:38:24 surface parking should be.

09:38:25 You know, we were sleepy town many years ago.

09:38:29 Things have changed.

09:38:31 There's certainly been development through the

09:38:32 corridor, the Marriott waterside, convention center,

09:38:39 the ice palace or St. Times Forum because they are

09:38:45 paying $3 million to say the St. Pete Times Forum, and

09:38:49 they should have given that money to employees for

09:38:51 raises, and now at the Channelside area, and all those

09:38:55 areas, I want to make sure that we do the same thing we

09:39:01 are asking others to do.

09:39:02 >> I believe we actually concur with you.

09:39:05 We are not in a place where we want to run a regulation

09:39:08 that is onerous for you as a private property owner

09:39:12 what we get out of it.

09:39:14 And I will say what Mike showed you, there's a lot of

09:39:17 stakeholders downtown.

09:39:18 There's a partnership.

09:39:19 There's several property owners.

09:39:20 There's a lot of parking and a lot of different

09:39:22 operators.

09:39:23 It's going to take time to get everyone into the same

09:39:25 room, discussing the same things, and agreeing on what

09:39:28 type of --

09:39:29 >> But it's been ten years.

09:39:30 >> During that time frame, we plan to go back and look

09:39:35 at our lots to make sure that we comply with whatever

09:39:37 comes forward.

09:39:40 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Well, I agree we are in the right

09:39:42 direction, but we can't say you either do it or we are

09:39:48 going to take you to court.

09:39:50 This stuff about I am going to fine you 500 a day, it

09:39:53 doesn't matter.

09:39:53 If you really want to do it, if you have things coming

09:39:56 up like big conventions, you know, the national

09:40:01 Republican convention, or the independents that brought

09:40:07 two people to the convention, the black bean

09:40:10 convention, they are all going to come here sooner or

09:40:12 later.

09:40:13 So when you do that, I think that you are going to have

09:40:16 a clear example of what you want -- the general public

09:40:21 has come in that's maybe never been to Tampa, because

09:40:24 the best advertisement is word of mouth.

09:40:26 When they leave here, I want to make sure that they

09:40:29 say, now what?

09:40:30 What a clean city.

09:40:31 Those parking lots are beautiful.

09:40:32 There's even a streetcar.

09:40:35 There's all this amenity there that are so nice, and

09:40:39 the women are beautiful.

09:40:41 I say that because the crowd is full of women.

09:40:43 So what I'm saying is -- that includes you.

09:40:47 So what I'm saying is that all these things are so

09:40:52 minor, but they mean so much in the long run, because

09:40:56 it's free publicity.

09:40:57 >> Aesthetics are very important to us as well, and

09:41:00 writing this regulation and making sure that downtown,

09:41:02 any street, any block downtown is appealing, visual to

09:41:07 whoever comes here.

09:41:08 >> And the answer to the second question.

09:41:10 How about the cost?

09:41:11 >> The permitting cost?

09:41:13 >> Yes.

09:41:13 >> We can look into that.

09:41:15 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Is there any way to lower the cost

09:41:17 so they can get it done quicker?

09:41:18 I would rather have something done than say, I can't

09:41:20 afford it, I'm not going to do it.

09:41:24 I'm just throwing it out.

09:41:26 I'm not an administrator.

09:41:27 Only you guys can work on that and change that.

09:41:29 >>> I believe City Council sets the --

09:41:33 >> Well, we can at the end.

09:41:34 But it's not us to be seven mayors.

09:41:40 There's only one.

09:41:40 So I throw it back at you.

09:41:42 That curve ball.

09:41:42 >> We can look at it and let now.

09:41:45 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Councilman Caetano.

09:41:47 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: The slides that you showed on

09:41:50 there, are these some of the things that you want

09:41:52 implemented?

09:41:56 >>> Mike Callahan: Yes.

09:41:59 As Ms. Coyle indicated we are trying to simplify it.

09:42:02 Instead of having a lot of interior landscape

09:42:05 requirements let's do a nice interior landscape and

09:42:08 there's a couple of instances in the city that we feel

09:42:10 like that would be a good paradigm to implement.

09:42:15 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: I had an experience where I

09:42:18 parked for something, I think at the Marriott down by

09:42:21 the water, and when I got my car back it was damaged.

09:42:25 And I called the leasing company that leases the

09:42:27 property, and I went through phone calls for about a

09:42:32 year and never got any remedy, never got anything out

09:42:36 of it.

09:42:38 Are they required to have insurance on their

09:42:41 properties?

09:42:43 >>> The private lots we are talking about in.

09:42:46 >> Yes.

09:42:46 >> I would -- I can't answer that in full, but I would

09:42:51 suspect that absolutely they would have, or either some

09:42:55 sort of disclaimer that, you know, as you park there

09:42:57 that you would fully see and read.

09:43:02 >> I think we need to look into having personal

09:43:06 property insurance if your car is damaged, it could be

09:43:09 a fire in another car next to your car, it could be any

09:43:12 number of issues.

09:43:16 And I think we should look into whether they should

09:43:18 have insurance.

09:43:22 Because I see a few companies around that have been

09:43:24 buying up a lot of lots.

09:43:26 And it's the same name on all of them so it must be a

09:43:29 money-making venture for them.

09:43:31 >>THOMAS SCOTT: A lot of those lots will tell you that

09:43:38 they are not responsible, that had you park at your own

09:43:40 risk and that sort of thing.

09:43:41 >>> I'm sorry for interrupting.

09:43:46 Most of those are posted.

09:43:48 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Yes, most of those are posted, and my

09:43:54 insurance don't fix it, but otherwise they'll tell you.

09:43:57 You go to the mall, at your own risk.

09:43:59 They tell you that.

09:44:01 You are at your own risk pretty much.

09:44:03 Councilwoman Mulhern.

09:44:04 >>MARY MULHERN: I think these code changes are great,

09:44:12 you know, especially having one category for parking,

09:44:17 not having the interim and temporary parking permits.

09:44:21 But it strikes me that, you know, we do have been

09:44:26 regulations that have been in place for ten years,

09:44:29 which are not being enforced.

09:44:31 So we are not collecting, you know, we are not

09:44:35 collecting on the violations.

09:44:42 I don't know why we take another year to change our

09:44:44 code.

09:44:45 It's not going to make any difference unless we start

09:44:47 collecting.

09:44:47 So I don't understand.

09:44:50 And I know -- we don't have code enforcement here.

09:44:56 But if we haven't been doing it for ten years, why

09:44:59 should anyone expect us to start doing it?

09:45:01 And the reality is, it is good business.

09:45:05 They make a lot of money, and apparently they don't

09:45:07 have to have much insurance either.

09:45:09 So the cost to them, it seems like we should make the

09:45:14 investment in enforcing the code that we have now.

09:45:20 >>> Councilwoman Mulhern, one of the biggest issues

09:45:27 that we see is, one, our biggest bank just enforcing

09:45:33 the zoning code.

09:45:34 We haven't done it for whatever reason from

09:45:38 administration to administration.

09:45:39 We just haven't done it.

09:45:40 So if we could do that -- and we talked to code

09:45:44 enforcement.

09:45:46 I think if we can have that one person sweeping the

09:45:48 area, and I think we can start implementing that.

09:45:52 But one of the biggest problems is the special event

09:45:55 parking.

09:45:55 Everybody -- so many folks jump into that loophole

09:45:59 where there is no requirement.

09:46:01 It can just be an open grass field.

09:46:05 Many times they would tear a building down and just

09:46:07 leave the foundation there and actually we see some of

09:46:13 that in north 40, if you will, in the perimeter parking

09:46:17 areas.

09:46:17 So the special event parking has been problematic, and

09:46:20 they get through the loophole in that fashion.

09:46:26 >>MARY MULHERN: But we are giving them the permits for

09:46:27 that?

09:46:29 Or they are just doing it?

09:46:31 >> Well, I think there's not many valid permits for

09:46:37 special event parking.

09:46:38 >> But if you don't have a special event permit you

09:46:41 shouldn't be able to park so that's a code enforcement

09:46:44 violation.

09:46:45 So it is a violation of code.

09:46:50 I think by not enforcing our code we just encourage

09:46:52 more of that and we encourage people to let their

09:46:55 historic buildings deteriorate, and so they can make

09:46:59 some money off the parking, if nothing else, no

09:47:03 investment.

09:47:04 They don't even have to, you know, pay for a ticket for

09:47:08 a code violation.

09:47:09 They don't have to have insurance.

09:47:12 I mean, it's ridiculous.

09:47:14 We just need to start enforcing it.

09:47:17 And I'm fine with making these changes.

09:47:19 But I don't even see a need to make changes, and a code

09:47:23 we are not enforcing anyway.

09:47:25 >>> Well, in this whole process in the last six months

09:47:28 since I have been involved, we have been dealing with

09:47:30 the code enforcement.

09:47:32 I think there's a whole new cooperative spirit that we

09:47:35 want to start using, getting them to help us, because I

09:47:38 think everybody realizes we have to do better.

09:47:41 It's such an impression when people come to Tampa the

09:47:44 first time to see some of the outer lying lots and the

09:47:49 conditions they are in.

09:47:50 So code enforcement is going to be with us as we go

09:47:54 forth.

09:47:54 We wanted to simplify the code for the parking

09:47:56 classifications.

09:47:57 We don't need to have -- we need to have one, actually

09:48:00 two, one for surface and one for structure.

09:48:04 That's what Ms. Coyle talked about.

09:48:05 I think going forward we will have a much better

09:48:08 cooperative spirit with -- cooperation, I guess with,

09:48:12 code enforcement.

09:48:14 I understand what you're saying.

09:48:17 But I would like to say there's a new sheriff in town,

09:48:27 hopefully.

09:48:28 [ Laughter ]

09:48:32 >>CURTIS STOKES: I apologize on this, but I understand

09:48:37 you have been involved in the process for the past six

09:48:38 months and your diagram takes another eleven months to

09:48:45 implement changes.

09:48:45 Why does the process take so long when there's an

09:48:48 obvious problem that we need to address?

09:48:55 >>> First of all, it's a great question.

09:48:57 But these things do take time because we have to vet it

09:48:59 through the public process.

09:49:01 We can't just by fiat change the code without involving

09:49:04 some of the stakeholders so that's an important

09:49:07 process.

09:49:08 Then there's only two times a year that we can change

09:49:10 the code, January and July.

09:49:12 So we need to actually write it, vet it with the

09:49:16 stakeholders, and then get it into the July --

09:49:21 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Cycle.

09:49:22 >> By next July we will be able to change that.

09:49:25 I know it sound like a long time, but frankly when we

09:49:29 went through Ybor City, it took almost a full two

09:49:31 years.

09:49:32 I think we are trying to even streamline this.

09:49:36 >>CURTIS STOKES: Thank you.

09:49:37 >>THOMAS SCOTT: What the cost for the permits?

09:49:44 Do you know, Mr. Callahan?

09:49:46 What is the cost for each permit now currently?

09:49:49 >>CATHERINE COYLE: Land development.

09:49:50 The special use permit is approximately $965 to come

09:49:55 through the initial --

09:49:56 >> Six months in.

09:49:57 >> No.

09:49:58 That would be for the special use permit for interim

09:50:00 parking lot or for a principal parking lot.

09:50:03 Special event parking lot, I believe, is about 150 some

09:50:06 odd dollars.

09:50:07 >> And renewed every six months?

09:50:11 >> That's a special event.

09:50:12 That's about 155, I think.

09:50:14 Approximately.

09:50:15 It might be 300.

09:50:17 I would have to look it up.

09:50:18 >> So the special event is 100-some dollars and the

09:50:22 other is 900?

09:50:24 >> 965, I believe.

09:50:26 >>THOMAS SCOTT: And pay that when?

09:50:27 >> When they apply to our office.

09:50:30 The special use review.

09:50:32 Then if you have a special use review approved, if

09:50:35 there's any physical conditions, you have to pull a

09:50:40 building permit, that's the cost I am unsure of is how

09:50:42 much it costs to lay the pavement and put in the

09:50:46 landscaping.

09:50:46 >> To go with what Mr. Mike Callahan recommended today,

09:50:54 on a lot downtown, what would be the cost for me to

09:50:56 bring that into compliance be? Do you all have any

09:50:59 idea in.

09:50:59 >> Under today's regulations?

09:51:01 >> Under what he's proposing.

09:51:03 >>> Well, one thing, we are trying to simplify

09:51:05 everything.

09:51:06 We are taking the special use process out of it.

09:51:08 The parking downtown is a permitted use.

09:51:11 That takes our review, that $965 out of the review and

09:51:16 that 30 day review out.

09:51:17 Would you go straight to permitting.

09:51:19 That's the cost that I cannot tell you is the cost of

09:51:20 the permit fees.

09:51:22 We can certainly research that for you.

09:51:23 And through this process document that.

09:51:25 >> I'm just trying to get a feeling that we are

09:51:28 discussing this, and it sound like council may be

09:51:31 amenable to it.

09:51:32 We can also begin to enforce what we do have on the

09:51:35 books now.

09:51:35 But I'm just trying to get a feel as to what the cost

09:51:40 would be to do that, not including the cost to improve

09:51:43 the lots.

09:51:45 So we are talking now about the application, I guess,

09:51:49 permit, right in so there's a cost for if I have to, I

09:51:54 guess, pave --

09:51:57 >> Be they don't have to all be paved.

09:52:00 >>THOMAS SCOTT: But it has to be delineated, right?

09:52:02 >>> Mike Callahan: You don't to pave.

09:52:05 It can be unpaved.

09:52:06 But the spaces have to be delineated and has to be a

09:52:09 smooth surface.

09:52:11 >> So there has to be a cost because the ones that you

09:52:15 showed us earlier there were potholes, not paved,

09:52:20 potholes, not delineated?

09:52:22 >> Actually some of those were.

09:52:23 But could you do that with wheel stops.

09:52:25 >> Okay.

09:52:27 There was no shrubbery line.

09:52:32 So no landscaping.

09:52:34 So they would have to do all of that.

09:52:36 So there's going to be some type of cost associated

09:52:40 with it overall.

09:52:41 >>> There is extenuating circumstances.

09:52:46 If they are permitted parking use with a permit they

09:52:50 would be grandfathered.

09:52:51 But going forward, going forward, we would require

09:52:55 anyone who is not permitted to come into compliance.

09:53:00 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Okay.

09:53:02 And I think we have to improve especially in the

09:53:05 downtown area.

09:53:06 We have to make it better.

09:53:07 He we want to the be nice.

09:53:09 We want it to be attractive.

09:53:10 I think councilman Miranda stated earlier all the

09:53:14 Republican conventions and all these other conventions

09:53:18 and trying to get the 2018 soccer world soccer here and

09:53:24 all that.

09:53:25 So we have got to do a lot to improve the downtown

09:53:30 appearance in terms of, as you said, the parking areas.

09:53:33 So I support that.

09:53:36 But you all began to look at what the costs are so that

09:53:40 people can have an idea as to what the cost is going to

09:53:43 mean, and in particular because we are in a recession,

09:53:47 or they say the recession ended -- [ Laughter ]

09:53:55 That's what they say, anyway.

09:54:00 So I think it would be helpful, since we are moving

09:54:03 forward, one is we are going to enforce the current

09:54:06 code that's on the book that we have not enforced for

09:54:08 ten years, right? So we are going to go back and start

09:54:11 enforcing that.

09:54:12 Second we talk about implementing new code.

09:54:14 So that's costs associated with that it good to

09:54:17 start putting those together so that once I come in

09:54:20 with my lot, you know, I have an idea of what the cost

09:54:24 is going to be, and what the financial impact is going

09:54:28 to be.

09:54:29 And of course a lot of these places, I know when you

09:54:32 have events at the St. Pete Times Forum, they have all

09:54:36 these lot people collecting 15, $20.

09:54:40 It all depends on what event it is.

09:54:42 And they do make money.

09:54:45 >> I will say, if the new owner of the lightning,

09:54:50 looking down on the parking lot at the St. Pete Times

09:54:53 Forum and was basically very unhappy with that parking

09:54:58 lot, what he had seen.

09:54:59 So he's come in to talk to us about landscaping that

09:55:02 entire perimeter there and fixing that parking area.

09:55:11 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: He's paying in.

09:55:14 >>> Yes.

09:55:15 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I wanted to make sure.

09:55:16 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: I hope they can answer this

09:55:19 question.

09:55:19 Ms. Coil, people that have these parking lots, are they

09:55:22 required to pay sales tax on their -- when they sell a

09:55:27 ticket?

09:55:28 >>CATHERINE COYLE: I cannot answer that question.

09:55:30 >> Can you find out from the Department of Revenue, if

09:55:33 they fall under that category?

09:55:35 >>CATHERINE COYLE: We can look into that.

09:55:47 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Any other questions from council?

09:55:49 We don't need to take any action today?

09:55:52 According to your schedule you are coming back January

09:55:55 2011.

09:55:55 >> That's correct.

09:55:57 That's correct.

09:55:58 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Okay.

09:55:59 Any other questions by council?

09:56:09 According to our rules we open up for public comments.

09:56:12 Public comment.

09:56:13 Yes, sir.

09:56:15 I thought you had a question.

09:56:18 A statement.

09:56:18 >> Jason McCarty, owner and operator of 717 parking

09:56:27 here in Tampa.

09:56:27 Also a property owner throughout the city.

09:56:32 Mr. Michelini told me there was going to be a public

09:56:35 hearing today.

09:56:35 I'm not really prepared.

09:56:37 But I guess what I would ask is if the city would

09:56:41 allow -- sorry, I ran up here.

09:56:49 Oh!

09:56:52 A couple.

09:56:53 >>STEVE MICHELINI: A couple of things happened.

09:56:55 One of the things you are not aware of and you touched

09:56:57 on it briefly was that there is an assumption that

09:56:59 people make a lot of money off of these lots.

09:57:02 What they make pays basically the taxes for the

09:57:07 properties that they have to pay for property taxes.

09:57:11 They do make an income off of it in addition to that

09:57:13 but it's not this huge astronomical fees everyone

09:57:17 assumes that they make.

09:57:18 And you also talked briefly about the cost of

09:57:22 implementing the interim parking lot standards.

09:57:26 There's also costs that come out of somebody's pocket,

09:57:29 particularly with 717, it's not coming out of the

09:57:31 owner's pocket.

09:57:33 It's coming out of the operator's pocket.

09:57:35 And this company in particular also collects sales

09:57:38 taxes as part of their revenue stream.

09:57:41 And they have received -- they monitor all the income

09:57:45 coming off the lots so they can tell will you exactly

09:57:48 what the income is for each of the individual lots by

09:57:50 event.

09:57:51 So all of these things are very closely monitored with

09:57:54 them.

09:57:56 For the most part you don't have individual property

09:57:58 owners that are operating parking lots.

09:57:59 You have companies operating private property lots for

09:58:03 parking.

09:58:05 And I think everyone agrees, if you can make them more

09:58:09 attractive, that's fine.

09:58:10 But the last time they implemented landscaping

09:58:12 standards, we had a drought, and then they were not

09:58:16 allowed to water any of the landscaping that they were

09:58:18 required to put in.

09:58:21 So all landscaping that they spent tens of thousands of

09:58:22 dollars on died.

09:58:25 And you have other issues like water meters and things

09:58:28 like that, that the city is not going to run.

09:58:33 But some things you might want to look at, what does

09:58:36 the green team do downtown and what can they do to

09:58:39 assist and keep maintaining the perimeter of these lots

09:58:42 in an attractive manner.

09:58:46 It might be useful if the council entertained a request

09:58:48 from the staff to provide an economic impact statement

09:58:51 of what is the cost when they come in and ask you to

09:58:53 change the code.

09:58:56 Those kinds of things are very important.

09:58:58 It shouldn't be, we don't nobody what the cost is and

09:59:01 we are going to throw our hands up and somebody else

09:59:04 has to figure it out later on but this is what we want.

09:59:07 The staff ought to be doing that study in advance and

09:59:09 telling you the economic impact on an individual is

09:59:13 this.

09:59:13 So, anyway, I think Mr. McCarty has caught his

09:59:17 breath.

09:59:18 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: And I appreciate everything that's

09:59:20 been said, and I'm not in disagreement.

09:59:22 But when we start talking about the drought killed

09:59:25 everything, this council and this government had to

09:59:30 make a choice, had to make a choice between drinking

09:59:33 water, water to bathe your kids, or spend it on the

09:59:39 lawns.

09:59:42 We were first to put in hand watering and we had to do

09:59:45 what we had to do.

09:59:46 We didn't have rain for 70-some days.

09:59:50 The reservoir was not only half empty, it was under

09:59:53 half empty which means 1.2 billion gallons, and anytime

09:59:59 it goes under 15 feet the pumps stop working because

10:00:02 they don't have enough water coming in.

10:00:03 So what happens there happened throughout the City of

10:00:07 Tampa.

10:00:08 In fact it happened to 650,000 people, and the 211

10:00:13 square miles that we service in the water department.

10:00:16 So what happened is everybody has the same problem.

10:00:26 I'm not here to say something is wrong.

10:00:27 When you make an investment, I don't care if it's an

10:00:30 investment in a building or parking lot?

10:00:37 The rest of them are very, very good people and I

10:00:39 commend them for that.

10:00:40 So they know what the due diligence is.

10:00:42 They know what the return on the dollar is.

10:00:44 If not they wouldn't buy a lot.

10:00:46 In fact, I believe the lot -- I saw some heavy

10:00:54 equipment there some months back, and it's coming out

10:00:57 pretty nice and they are doing everything they can to

10:00:59 make it appealing to the eye, especially in the

10:01:02 downtown corridor.

10:01:03 What we are saying is -- and I said it earlier -- maybe

10:01:06 it could be a reduction of fees to get these things

10:01:08 done but they have to be done.

10:01:12 This is my third time being elected, and the third time

10:01:15 I'm still hearing about lots not being in conformity,

10:01:18 and I'm just sick and tired.

10:01:21 Either the law is no good, we haven't even forced it in

10:01:25 ten years.

10:01:25 That was said earlier.

10:01:26 So I'm sitting here saying why do we write the law if

10:01:29 it hasn't been in force for ten years?

10:01:32 We are willing to negotiate and give a two or

10:01:34 three-year extension, if I remember.

10:01:36 I don't remember what the extension of years were.

10:01:38 And we did that in the 90s.

10:01:40 And we are still back here today in 2010 talking about

10:01:45 the same -- today in 2010 talking about the same thing

10:01:48 we talked about in the 90s.

10:01:50 So what I'm saying is somewhere along the line,

10:01:54 somebody has got to know what they pay for something.

10:01:56 I'm not saying that they make millions.

10:01:58 I hope they do make millions.

10:02:00 But when I sit in that office and I start getting

10:02:02 requests from private property companies wanting to

10:02:05 take over the parking of the City of Tampa, that means

10:02:11 there's some money to be made.

10:02:15 They don't use money to lose money.

10:02:17 No private individual does that.

10:02:19 I'm not telling you that they are perfect.

10:02:21 I'm not telling you they don't sometimes buy an

10:02:24 elephant and they have got to pay and lose money.

10:02:27 That's the prerogative of the free enterprise system in

10:02:31 America.

10:02:31 What I'm saying is, we must come to an agreement soon,

10:02:37 or there will be hardship penalties -- harsher

10:02:40 penalties than what you see now.

10:02:41 This going to end one way or the other.

10:02:44 When you see some of these lots that are not paved, it

10:02:48 looks like a foxhole, your car goes in and you have to

10:02:51 call AAA to come pick it up because it's a foot and a

10:02:55 half deep, four foot wide.

10:02:56 It's not right.

10:02:57 It doesn't look good.

10:02:58 The dust goes all over the place.

10:03:02 We have to change and become the city that we want to

10:03:05 be.

10:03:05 And it got to come from everywhere.

10:03:07 From you, your clients, the city.

10:03:10 I don't think the city got everything perfect in their

10:03:13 own surface lots.

10:03:14 I don't think some of the things that were said there

10:03:17 the city has done.

10:03:18 But that's just me.

10:03:22 I look around and say, we don't have a retention pond

10:03:26 here P.maybe they do and I haven't seen it.

10:03:28 But they don't have a lot of things that we talked

10:03:30 about.

10:03:31 So they themselves are going to have to do it.

10:03:37 Mick mechanic I wasn't trying to criticize the water

10:03:39 issue.

10:03:40 I was just saying don't a don't apply a standard that

10:03:43 you can't meet.

10:03:45 Immediately upon planting you couldn't plant -- you

10:03:47 couldn't water the materials that were required.

10:03:49 So these things do have to get worked out and I think

10:03:52 certainly 717 is willing to be a leader in helping to

10:03:56 establish reasonable rules that can be achievable

10:03:58 across the board when they apply to the City of Tampa

10:04:01 or private lot operators in themselves.

10:04:03 >> And that's an investment in property is not an

10:04:08 immediate return.

10:04:09 It's long-time gain that you will get lot if your lot

10:04:11 is better than somebody else's.

10:04:13 That's what I am going to say.

10:04:15 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Next speaker.

10:04:16 >>> Mr. Miranda, thank you for letting me speak.

10:04:21 >> Now that you got your breath.

10:04:23 >>> As Steve mentioned, all I would like is an

10:04:27 opportunity, and I think I speak for myself, and the

10:04:29 other partners I have in the downtown area, is to give

10:04:31 an opportunity to meet with city staff, to be able to

10:04:34 look at -- I don't know, was it ten years ago, I sat on

10:04:39 a committee which included public and private parking

10:04:42 operators and developers and others downtown that

10:04:45 looked specifically at the parking ordinances and the

10:04:48 interim use versus the accessory use versus principal

10:04:50 use of parking lots and garages in the downtown area.

10:04:54 And I guess what I would request today if it's possible

10:04:56 is to see if we could get back together as a community

10:04:59 and as a city and to be able to talk about standards to

10:05:03 make our city beautiful and to make sure these parking

10:05:05 lots not only from a private standpoint, from a public

10:05:09 tan point, meet certain standards, and that we all work

10:05:12 together to kind of make the city a better place to

10:05:14 park, better place to live.

10:05:16 That's all.

10:05:26 I understand some people did, the public did, the

10:05:28 private did.

10:05:29 All of us work together.

10:05:32 And just give us an opportunity to get everybody back

10:05:35 in the room.

10:05:36 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I understand.

10:05:36 >>> And that's it.

10:05:38 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Well, you can do that because we are

10:05:39 not taking any action.

10:05:40 The action we are taking will be January so from now to

10:05:43 January you can meet with all the city staff to do all

10:05:45 of that, because there's no action.

10:05:49 But we are having a report to look at where we are with

10:05:52 the parking in the central business district.

10:05:56 >>> If I could get council's support maybe people

10:06:00 within the city could organize something with the

10:06:02 downtown partnership, put together --

10:06:06 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Mr. McCarty, I do believe that is the

10:06:08 process they are proposing.

10:06:09 It is on there.

10:06:10 A stakeholders.

10:06:12 Right?

10:06:13 >> And I'm a stakeholder.

10:06:16 >>YVONNE CAPIN: You got your wish.

10:06:17 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Next speaker.

10:06:18 Anyone else?

10:06:19 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Mr. Chairman, I'm sorry, I have been

10:06:22 reminded by the clerk to ask those who are speaking

10:06:25 today for the purposes of having the clerk have a

10:06:27 record, to please sign in and make sure that you signed

10:06:30 in on the sign-in sheet at the lectern outside.

10:06:35 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you very much.

10:06:36 Any other questions?

10:06:37 If not, then we'll see you all back in January 2011 on

10:06:42 this item.

10:06:45 Our next 10:00 item is the amendment to the historic

10:06:47 district code.

10:06:49 The motion was initiated by councilman Miranda and

10:06:54 councilman Dingfelder.

10:07:22 >>JULIA COLE: City of Tampa legal department.

10:07:25 As you know, City Council has made a couple of

10:07:28 different motions relating to our historic preservation

10:07:31 process.

10:07:32 And I have had an opportunity to discuss our existing

10:07:36 processes with staff to look at our code, to look at

10:07:40 some other codes, and what I wanted to do was first let

10:07:46 City Council know, at this point I am really limiting

10:07:48 my conversation to direct because that was the initial

10:07:55 motion of council but we can certainly discuss other

10:07:56 items.

10:07:57 I just wanted to make sure council was aware that that

10:07:59 was really where our focus was

10:08:02 What you are receiving is are two documents.

10:08:05 The first document -- and I am going to put that on the

10:08:08 overhead.

10:08:12 The first document that you have in front of you, what

10:08:25 that provides for is the existing process, the existing

10:08:32 process that we had for the designation of local

10:08:37 historic districts.

10:08:42 And in reviewing this flow chart, it's a good summary

10:08:45 of what we do today.

10:08:49 And you will note that the way we start our process is

10:08:53 the identification of the historic resource, in this

10:08:56 case President Obama tension district.

10:08:59 And it's identified through a variety of different

10:09:01 ways, request of council, HPC, request of property

10:09:07 owners.

10:09:09 There really is no delineated process under which

10:09:12 historic resource is identified.

10:09:16 At that point in time, the HPC staff, after something

10:09:21 has been identified, would typically meet with affected

10:09:24 parties.

10:09:24 That's not necessarily codified.

10:09:26 It's just more of a practice.

10:09:28 It's at that point of time what staff will do today is

10:09:32 they will bring that historic resource on an annual

10:09:37 basis to that Historic Preservation Commission, and at

10:09:41 that point in time the Historic Preservation Commission

10:09:45 will make a motion to place it on its work plan or its

10:09:47 work program.

10:09:50 The two terms are used interchangeably.

10:09:52 Now, once something ends up on the work program or work

10:09:57 plan, what that is intended to do is set forth an

10:10:00 opportunity to have staff on an annual basis report

10:10:05 back to the Historic Preservation Commission to do,

10:10:10 over some period of time, research, public outreach,

10:10:13 et cetera.

10:10:16 But typically, other than the HPC is sort of the

10:10:24 ambassador to the historic resource, downtown have any

10:10:27 delineated process to provide an opportunity for that

10:10:30 property owner to be officially brought into the

10:10:33 process.

10:10:35 Once we get past the point of being on the work plan or

10:10:38 the work program, staff continues to do research, staff

10:10:41 continues to meet with the residents, to design

10:10:48 guidelines.

10:10:49 Just so you know the code currently requires that in

10:10:52 order to move forth with a historic district, there is

10:10:56 an obligation to also bring forward design guidelines

10:10:58 or design standards as part of the designation process.

10:11:03 So once those design standards are developed, it's been

10:11:09 on our work program for several years, it's at that

10:11:14 point in time that there's an official start of the

10:11:16 designation process.

10:11:20 First Historic Preservation Commission, there's a

10:11:24 noticed public hearing, it's been forwarded to council,

10:11:27 for City Council to move forward with the process, to

10:11:30 set the public hearing.

10:11:33 It goes to the Planning Commission for them to weigh in

10:11:35 on whether or not creation of the district is

10:11:38 appropriate, and we get to the ordinance process where

10:11:43 you actually have a public hearing, an official

10:11:47 determination of City Council, to move forward, to

10:11:50 adopt an ordinance, to designate, the district as well

10:11:53 as adopt the design standards.

10:11:57 I thought it was important for everybody to see the way

10:11:59 our process works today, because it is this process

10:12:02 that I think we need to be looking at and making some

10:12:07 decisions about.

10:12:15 The next handout that I had given you is some proposals

10:12:18 that I am suggesting to see if there is a way to

10:12:23 actually bring the property owners affected by

10:12:29 decisions of HPC and this board into the process

10:12:34 earlier but in a more formal manner.

10:12:36 Now, I am not suggesting to you that our staff does not

10:12:39 do a very good job of public input, going out to the

10:12:44 community and working with people.

10:12:46 I don't think anybody would suggest that they don't

10:12:50 give the best shot they can to do public outreach and

10:12:52 to do education.

10:12:53 But what we don't have in our approach today is a

10:12:57 delineated formal process, property owners for district

10:13:04 are brought into the process prior to staff spending a

10:13:06 lot of time and a lot of resources moving forward in

10:13:11 the formal legal designation process requiring an

10:13:14 ordinance, requiring public hearing, and really setting

10:13:19 out a more quasi-judicial rezoning process.

10:13:24 The one thing I do want to say about this process I am

10:13:27 about to describe, we actually have this process in our

10:13:29 code, not exactly in this manner but we have landmark

10:13:36 structures.

10:13:36 Our code does provide a public hearing process to add

10:13:40 landmark structures on onto the city's work plan.

10:13:44 This process that I am describing isn't new, it is in

10:13:49 our code today, but it's expanding it and making it a

10:13:52 more meaningful process.

10:13:54 And the first thing I think is important to

10:13:56 understand -- and we describe with this work plan at

10:14:01 the top of the page -- this work plan process is really

10:14:04 intended to be a decision on study areas, and a

10:14:08 decision on allocating staff resources.

10:14:12 As I explained, it is a lot of staff time and resources

10:14:17 moving forward in the district.

10:14:18 There's a lot of public outreach that's obligated as

10:14:22 well as draft and design guidelines which takes a lot

10:14:24 of time, you have inventory, there has to very specific

10:14:30 decisions made, and this would have the effect of

10:14:32 creating this study area, and also creating the

10:14:35 opportunity to make some decisions about staff

10:14:38 resources.

10:14:42 The first part of this process would be the initiation

10:14:45 or the start of the work plan process, which would be

10:14:48 by motion of City Council.

10:14:50 So staff can come to City Council or another entity can

10:14:57 come to City Council and ask to initiate the work plan

10:15:01 process, being the study process.

10:15:03 After that motion is made, staff will just conduct some

10:15:09 very preliminary information, because if there is an

10:15:11 area where there is a request to create a study area

10:15:15 that has -- that doesn't really meet our standard,

10:15:19 staff needs to have that identification ahead of time.

10:15:22 And I am not talking about staff going out and going on

10:15:24 the folks' property and interviewing folks.

10:15:29 I'm talking about a staff that looks at photographs and

10:15:31 some background research and those kind of things in

10:15:34 order to be able to identify whether or not there's any

10:15:38 value in moving forward.

10:15:40 And the second step that I am recommending is that

10:15:43 within 120 days, but I at that level of time frame was

10:15:51 a fair enough to for staff to ensure that they have the

10:15:55 time necessary.

10:15:55 The HPC administrator will do a couple things.

10:15:59 They will set a meeting, like a public information

10:16:03 meeting that we do at our land development does all the

10:16:07 time with the affected property owners to do two

10:16:09 things, to explain the process of designation of the

10:16:14 district, what it all entails, and the second thing to

10:16:18 give information and education about what it means to

10:16:20 be in a historic district.

10:16:23 This be would be a more formalized process in our code

10:16:26 versus staff doesn't do this today, it just not formal

10:16:29 part of our process.

10:16:32 Once that meeting has occurred, there will actually be

10:16:34 scheduled notice public hearings to all affected

10:16:37 property owners.

10:16:38 The first public hearing being before the Historic

10:16:40 Preservation Commission for an evaluation of the study

10:16:46 area, for some initial threshold standards, as well as

10:16:52 the level of public participation from the affected

10:16:57 citizens.

10:16:59 The affected property owners.

10:17:00 And that would be a recommendation from the HPC that

10:17:05 would ultimately come back to City Council for a final

10:17:07 determination of adding a specific area to its work

10:17:13 plan.

10:17:17 Again that would be based on common standards and

10:17:20 evaluation of the participation by affected property

10:17:23 owners.

10:17:27 By having this more formalized process versus not

10:17:30 really having a formalized process and fairly far down

10:17:35 the pike, an education, having an opportunity for

10:17:38 property owners to weigh in, first of all, I think it

10:17:43 does have -- eliminating our staff resources, and

10:17:48 second of all, ABC you move forward with the district

10:17:50 and you move forward with the design guidelines and

10:17:53 design standards, having an understanding of what type

10:17:55 of public participation will be involved is important

10:17:59 in making your staff resource allocation, and providing

10:18:03 where your study areas are going to be.

10:18:05 It allows more collaboration upfront in a formalized

10:18:10 manner.

10:18:10 At the point of time it comes to City Council, two

10:18:12 things can happen.

10:18:13 We either proceed or we don't proceed.

10:18:14 If we don't proceed, all that means is staff resources

10:18:18 will not be allocated, and that is something that will

10:18:22 not remain on any formal work plan or work program of

10:18:26 the city, but will be something that we are not

10:18:30 allocating resources to move forward on.

10:18:33 If there's a decision to proceed forward, what that

10:18:35 means is that you are saying as City Council, yes,

10:18:42 let's allocate staff resources and time, get into the

10:18:45 more formalized process of the design standard, and the

10:18:49 creation of the legal requirements to move forward with

10:18:52 the district.

10:18:55 And of a that occurs we'll really just proceed back

10:18:58 into the typical process that we currently have in our

10:19:00 code, and the protections of that public hearing

10:19:03 process.

10:19:04 The other thing that I think I would recommend that is

10:19:07 very important to have within is two things.

10:19:10 First of all, that there's an opportunity for property

10:19:12 owners to make a request to be removed.

10:19:17 We have had opportunities the way it works today that

10:19:21 have property owners' request to be removed from the

10:19:25 work program or work problem sees.

10:19:28 It's just not formalized.

10:19:30 It's not in our code.

10:19:32 But we have in the past couple years created those

10:19:34 types of opportunities, but it is better if we codify

10:19:39 those opportunities.

10:19:39 And the second thing that I think is also very

10:19:42 important is that we provide a codified requirement

10:19:47 that our work plan is evaluated every five years.

10:19:51 A typical site, as we move forward, any form of capital

10:19:58 improvement program, and some of our older programs.

10:20:01 So that way we don't have things just sitting out there

10:20:04 for a long period of time that clearly staff believes

10:20:10 they have the resources to do but turns out overtime

10:20:13 budgets change and priorities changes change that we

10:20:16 haven't had an opportunity to move forward with and we

10:20:18 can reevaluate those every five years

10:20:22 Again, I think what's important that I am trying to

10:20:25 accomplish in this is a couple of things.

10:20:27 First of all, ensuring that our processes are legally

10:20:30 enforceable because anytime you are affecting private

10:20:33 property rights, you always have to make sure adequate

10:20:37 due problem sees is given.

10:20:38 But the second thing that I think is really important

10:20:42 to understand and do deal with is to try to have more

10:20:49 collaborative processes, placing our staff in a

10:20:52 position when they are moving forward and working with

10:20:54 property owners that they are doing it in a manner that

10:20:56 allows them to be facilitators and educators that

10:21:00 doesn't place them in adversary position was property

10:21:03 owners.

10:21:03 That's not their role.

10:21:04 That's not their goal.

10:21:05 They believe very strongly in a strong historic

10:21:08 preservation program.

10:21:09 They believe it's a very important to have

10:21:12 collaborative decisions made.

10:21:15 And that is what they attempt to do on a daily basis.

10:21:18 Even though it doesn't always feel that way because

10:21:20 historic preservation issues do tend to become

10:21:23 adversarial at times.

10:21:24 And I'm hopeful by bringing the collaboration and the

10:21:28 opportunities to have formal input on the front end, it

10:21:31 would actually have the effect of you might have

10:21:34 property owners that once they understand the program

10:21:36 at the front end, and don't feel it is being forced on

10:21:39 them, that they may have a better opportunity to get in

10:21:44 the process.

10:21:45 And the second part of that is really having some --

10:21:50 this council makes the decisions about where they

10:21:52 believe the resources should go.

10:21:54 And that's what we are hopeful that this program would

10:21:57 do for the district.

10:21:58 And as I said, we have a very similar process in our

10:22:01 code right now for the landmark structures, so we are

10:22:06 not really reinventing the wheel.

10:22:08 The other thing I did want to note is even though I'm

10:22:11 sucking formalizing this in a code, we have been doing

10:22:15 similar types of hearings informally.

10:22:22 We suggested to HPC that there have been notification

10:22:25 of certain districts on multiple property designations,

10:22:30 wasn't codified, wasn't required, the problem was there

10:22:34 were no standards to make those kinds of decisions, but

10:22:38 we, from more of a practical standpoint, made some

10:22:40 decisions, and I advised that it would be appropriate

10:22:42 to go ahead and use somebody informal means.

10:22:45 So this would actually be formalizing some things that

10:22:47 we are already doing using provisions in our code that

10:22:50 already exist, to hopefully get us back to a place

10:22:54 where this becomes a more collaborative process.

10:22:58 And that's the end of my present aches, if anybody has

10:23:01 any questions.

10:23:02 >>GWEN MILLER: Questions from council members?

10:23:06 This is a workshop.

10:23:07 We go to public comments.

10:23:09 Would anyone in the public like to speak?

10:23:21 >>JOHN GRANDOFF: Suite 3700 Bank of America Plaza.

10:23:27 I want to offer my comments this morning on the current

10:23:30 process and some of the ideas that Julia has proposed.

10:23:38 I'm not here as a specific advocate for any particular

10:23:41 property owner.

10:23:42 I'm here trying to make the process work more smoothly

10:23:45 and more productively.

10:23:47 I have some reflection beings I would like you to think

10:23:49 about going forward.

10:23:50 Essentially when you get into a historic designation

10:23:53 process, in an area which is what we are talking about

10:23:56 today, an area-wide designation, you are proposing a

10:23:59 regulation of property.

10:24:01 Anyway you slice it.

10:24:02 Annal additional regulation of property.

10:24:04 Other property owners may not be bearing on the city

10:24:07 because they may not be a historic type.

10:24:09 That type of process, in order to have deference to the

10:24:15 Constitutional protections, must be certain, it must be

10:24:19 definitive, it must be a due process.

10:24:22 That's where we get the word due process of law.

10:24:25 It cannot be perpetual drifting process that does not

10:24:29 have any end, nor any opportunity to be removed from

10:24:32 the process.

10:24:34 So I think it's important that at the beginning of a

10:24:36 process, where you are going to study an area, that a

10:24:39 letter go to all property owners, enunciating the exact

10:24:43 process that will be imposed upon them in this study of

10:24:47 the area.

10:24:48 And it would have defined dates of an information

10:24:54 meeting at a vent location where city officials can

10:24:58 explain to property owners exactly what is the

10:25:01 significant of the property and what may be to come as

10:25:05 far as the city's involvement in historic designate.

10:25:08 That letter should also provide an ultimate date when

10:25:10 those property owners may come before you as their

10:25:13 elected representatives and plain to you, petition

10:25:16 their government as to whether or not they want to

10:25:19 participate in the process or not participate in the

10:25:22 process.

10:25:23 And you can make an informed decision as to whether to

10:25:26 go forward.

10:25:27 I liken this process to an area-wide rezoning.

10:25:32 Let's say you are going to do an area wide rezoning.

10:25:35 You go through the same process.

10:25:36 You notify the property owners by mail.

10:25:38 You have an information meeting.

10:25:39 You have a first public hearing to determine whether

10:25:41 you are going to do an area-wide rezoning and there's

10:25:44 finality to the process.

10:25:45 Homeowners can come forward and say whether they want

10:25:48 to remain in the zoning district they have or whether

10:25:51 they want the recommended zoning district, and you make

10:25:53 an informed legislative defensible decision.

10:25:57 That is not occurring right now.

10:25:58 What we have right now is an adversarial process with

10:26:02 really no entry point for the property owner, and it's

10:26:04 very difficult to give legal advice in that type of

10:26:07 process.

10:26:08 I have represented many people in this process, and the

10:26:10 frequent question I have is, John, how do I get out of

10:26:14 this?

10:26:14 Well, you get out when the city let's you out.

10:26:18 Well, when in I don't know.

10:26:20 And it just drifts along.

10:26:21 It's frustrating to preservation folks because they

10:26:23 can't get finality.

10:26:25 Frustrating to property owners because they can't get

10:26:27 finality.

10:26:28 Let me give you a real world situation that can very

10:26:30 wrestle happen in this case where there is a proposal

10:26:35 to designate a neighborhood and you have several

10:26:38 property owners wishing to refinance their homes in

10:26:40 these times.

10:26:41 Now, I think that a proposed historic designation of

10:26:43 property is a material condition of the property, no

10:26:47 different from a sinkhole in the backyard.

10:26:49 (Bell sounds)

10:26:50 May I continue?

10:26:50 I'll wrap up in about one minute.

10:26:52 No different from a leaky roof or a nonconforming lots.

10:26:56 You as the owner have got to disclose that to the buyer

10:26:59 or to your lender.

10:27:00 That's a material issue, because historic preservation

10:27:04 costs a significant amount of money, if you engage in

10:27:07 it correctly.

10:27:08 The process right now, a potential seller, doesn't know

10:27:12 what to tell the buyer or the lender what is going to

10:27:17 go on in the process and when it's over.

10:27:18 And the one thing that a capital market cannot tolerate

10:27:23 is uncertainty.

10:27:24 You have to have certain rules.

10:27:26 You have to have finality to have commerce.

10:27:28 And this is injecting uncertainty and unfinality into a

10:27:32 stream of commerce, simply a real estate transaction a.

10:27:35 I think we are moving forward towards more certainty.

10:27:38 But I think maybe a more defined process with an early

10:27:43 letter to folks to allow them to understand what is

10:27:45 going on and a way for them to come to you and decide

10:27:48 whether they want to participate or not participate

10:27:51 would be much better.

10:27:52 Thank you for your time.

10:27:53 >>GWEN MILLER: Thank you.

10:27:55 Anyone else like to speak?

10:28:09 >> Chairman Scott, members of City Council.

10:28:11 My name is Ann McDonaugh, and I live at 5605 Ninth

10:28:18 Street North in Seminole Heights.

10:28:19 I'm the chairman of the preservation committee for the

10:28:22 Old Seminole Heights neighborhood association.

10:28:25 I have been involved in preservation in this city for

10:28:27 more than 35 years beginning with the national register

10:28:32 designation of Hyde Park, something like 30 years ago.

10:28:40 In the past, these districts have been blighted areas

10:28:48 which have been revitalized by historic preservation.

10:28:54 Just in the past two years, three districts, three

10:28:59 historic districts within the City of Tampa have been

10:29:03 recognized, bringing honor to the City of Tampa in

10:29:09 national publications.

10:29:10 Those include Ybor City, Hyde Park, and Seminole

10:29:13 Heights.

10:29:16 Last year Seminole Heights was named the best

10:29:18 neighborhood in the southeast in which to buy a home.

10:29:22 You are here today to review the preservation ordinance

10:29:27 and its prescribed by you elected officials of the

10:29:33 city.

10:29:33 The designation process and the final determination of

10:29:37 a local district is yours to decide.

10:29:43 In current section 27 as it stands, it provides for

10:29:47 review based on certain criteria, for professional

10:29:52 recommendations and evaluation to this council from

10:29:56 staff, city legal and members of the ARC whose members

10:30:02 are appointed and approved by you.

10:30:07 It provides for review and analysis by the Planning

10:30:09 Commission, notice to each property owner of record,

10:30:16 public hearings to consider designation for input by

10:30:19 owners and other interested parties, and it also

10:30:23 provides a procedure for abatement, for any of those

10:30:29 property owners who wish not to be part of the process.

10:30:34 This process is determined by you, because you are

10:30:36 elected by the citizens of the city to make these

10:30:40 determinations.

10:30:42 If you haven't reviewed this ordinance already, I call

10:30:45 your attention to the first page which lays out all of

10:30:49 the reasons why this ordinance was written.

10:30:54 It is City Council's findings on this page, selected

10:30:56 official of the city, the process itself must still

10:31:09 remain in your hands.

10:31:10 However, we welcome a more defined process to determine

10:31:14 what areas of this city should become historic district

10:31:17 and those which should not.

10:31:19 I thank you very much for your time.

10:31:23 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you very much.

10:31:23 Next speaker.

10:31:29 >> My name is Gayle Davis.

10:31:31 I live at 1203 east Mohawk Avenue in Kensington

10:31:35 terrace, one of the proposed historic district areas.

10:31:38 I have lived there for 26 years.

10:31:41 My husband and I moved there when Hampton terrace was

10:31:45 not a very nice area to live in.

10:31:47 It was pretty blighted as she was saying a lot of

10:31:52 places aren't but it ain't no more.

10:31:54 Now why?

10:31:54 Because the people have done what they want to do with

10:31:56 their homes, without any kind of regulations under

10:32:01 historic rules, any extra burden, any extra money they

10:32:05 have to put out.

10:32:06 They have just done it on their own such as myself.

10:32:09 I live in a 1926 bungalow.

10:32:11 My husband and I have done our best to keep it nice,

10:32:13 just like many other people.

10:32:14 The area has come up without all these regulations and

10:32:18 extra added burdens.

10:32:20 Now, to be fair to Ms. Cole, I'm reading over her

10:32:23 proposal, and I'm trying to understand, where do the

10:32:26 people get to vote?

10:32:27 Where is this?

10:32:28 Where is it listed in here that the actual property

10:32:32 owners have an actual real honest to goodness vote?

10:32:39 I want this; I don't want this.

10:32:42 I don't see this anywhere on here.

10:32:44 It just says including evaluation of participation by

10:32:46 affected property owners.

10:32:48 We already have that.

10:32:49 That's what's going on right now.

10:32:52 In fact, the HPC, which I might add our own appointed

10:32:59 officials unlike yourself where I don't have any

10:33:01 recourse to go vote these people out if I'm not happy

10:33:06 with them taking my considerations.

10:33:09 That's not fair.

10:33:10 I mean, the people need to have a right to be able to

10:33:13 say "I want my property changed" because it is going to

10:33:16 affect our property.

10:33:17 It affects bottom line money.

10:33:19 It's going to cost more money if a hurricane comes

10:33:22 through, or anything to change your windows, whatever.

10:33:27 And you will hear from these people that are pro.

10:33:29 Oh, we make up our own guidelines.

10:33:31 You decide for yourself.

10:33:32 And let me tell you that is not true and you can ask

10:33:35 Mr. Fernandez.

10:33:35 There is a big thick book called the secretary of

10:33:39 standard guidelines.

10:33:40 And that cannot be deviated from.

10:33:42 That is what you will have to live with.

10:33:44 I don't care what anybody says.

10:33:46 You make up your own guidelines.

10:33:48 That is not true.

10:33:49 The current regulations exists for the property owners

10:33:53 to have no real voice.

10:33:55 And the current system is messed up.

10:33:57 The people need to have a vote.

10:34:00 And the vote needs to happen before this whole process

10:34:04 starts moving along, where we don't have a say, where

10:34:07 we have to get up in front of people and say please,

10:34:09 please don't let my property become local historic

10:34:11 district.

10:34:11 I don't want it.

10:34:12 Please.

10:34:14 We did that in front of the HPC last October.

10:34:17 Many of us got up there.

10:34:19 We went out and found out that over 51% of the property

10:34:22 owners do not want this.

10:34:24 I'm telling you, we did this because the neighborhood

10:34:30 association westbound Mrs. McDonaugh is on this

10:34:33 committee, we said look, we are not in agreement with

10:34:35 this.

10:34:36 We live in the neighborhood.

10:34:37 Let the people have a vote.

10:34:38 Find out.

10:34:39 The neighborhood association said no, we are moving

10:34:41 forward with this.

10:34:42 We'll get the information out.

10:34:44 People will know.

10:34:45 They'll come to the public hearings.

10:34:46 But, no we are not going to let you have a vote.

10:34:49 And I'm like, what wrong with this system, with this

10:34:53 process?

10:34:53 My own neighborhood association will not allow the

10:34:55 actual property owners to have a say with a real vote?

10:34:59 And however it lands, majority yes or no.

10:35:04 But let the people have a vote, a real vote, a vote

10:35:07 that counts, not wave in the front of people not to

10:35:11 have it.

10:35:11 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Let me raise a question before the next

10:35:13 speaker

10:35:14 Somebody from staff, from administration, legal,

10:35:17 whoever.

10:35:19 We just got going through the Seminole Heights

10:35:22 community plan, and they had a vote.

10:35:26 Is that right?

10:35:30 Where is Ms. Coyle?

10:35:35 >>JULIA COLE: Ms. Coyle is right outside and she can

10:35:38 talk more about the form based process.

10:35:40 I don't think there's anything about referendum or

10:35:42 election.

10:35:42 More of the collaboration of having people join in the

10:35:45 election phase of developing that process.

10:35:49 >>THOMAS SCOTT: I know in the county when they went

10:35:51 through the community based code and they actually

10:35:53 voted how they want to proceed and all that, and I

10:35:56 thought with the form based code there was a vote.

10:35:59 Is there a vote taken?

10:36:05 >>JULIA COLE: What Ms. Coyle is saying what they chose

10:36:08 through an open house process was different forms of

10:36:11 regulation.

10:36:12 They didn't vote on whether or not they wanted to be

10:36:15 part of the overlay or not part of the overlay or part

10:36:18 of form-based code.

10:36:21 They just were involved in choosing what type of

10:36:27 development pattern and regulation they believe to be

10:36:29 appropriate.

10:36:29 So it wasn't an initial type of vote.

10:36:33 >> So likewise under the historic designation there is

10:36:36 no vote in.

10:36:37 >> There is no vote as part of the problem sees.

10:36:42 If I can take a moment.

10:36:43 What we did do in the last round when we amended the

10:36:46 code, as it relates to structures, we put in as part of

10:36:49 the process consideration of the owner's consent to

10:36:53 that designation.

10:36:55 And I describe the public participation being a

10:36:59 necessary component at the front end, not as an

10:37:03 election situation, but more from -- what we don't have

10:37:08 now, we would be able to codify, which is the level of

10:37:12 public participation having that be a factor in which

10:37:16 guides decisions which is what we did with the landmark

10:37:18 structures.

10:37:19 >> Under the proposal that you are presenting, is there

10:37:21 a vote?

10:37:23 >>JULIA COLE: I haven't really drafted the regulation

10:37:25 yet.

10:37:25 I do highlight that level of public participation is

10:37:29 part of what I am suggesting how we --

10:37:32 >>THOMAS SCOTT: You are talking about public

10:37:33 participation at the front end.

10:37:34 But right now you have not included a vote from the

10:37:38 community or neighborhood?

10:37:40 >>JULIA COLE: I haven't specifically put that in what

10:37:42 I'm suggesting.

10:37:43 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Let me follow up where another

10:37:45 question.

10:37:45 And I am not sure about the city.

10:37:48 I know about the county.

10:37:49 When you decide to put in street bumpers or whatever

10:37:53 they call them, generally that there is a vote,

10:37:58 requires, I think, 51% of the neighborhood voting.

10:38:03 So do we do that with the city?

10:38:06 >>JULIA COLE: I don't think we do.

10:38:08 I am not familiar with any process we have in the city

10:38:10 that includes that kind of vote, and I was involved

10:38:12 with that at the county so I don't recall having -- I

10:38:15 just -- I can research that.

10:38:19 And as we move forward, coming back with regulation,

10:38:22 coming back with different suggestions as it relates --

10:38:27 >>THOMAS SCOTT: So you all are telling me that pretty

10:38:29 much if the community comes together, there's a public

10:38:34 meeting but there is actually no way of voting to gauge

10:38:38 whether I want to be involved or not?

10:38:41 Am I hearing that correctly?

10:38:43 >>JULIA COLE: The process as it stands today has

10:38:45 not -- anything in our code that requires or obligates

10:38:49 the city to do anything more than move forward with an

10:38:55 ordinance to designation a district with design

10:38:58 guidelines.

10:39:00 What I'm proposing is to add, prior to us going forward

10:39:07 through the ordinance to designate a district that we

10:39:12 have an entry point where public participation and the

10:39:15 interest of the neighborhood is part of that analysis.

10:39:19 I haven't defined what that means yet and what that

10:39:22 standard is, because I wanted to make sure that I was

10:39:24 even going in the right direction by having this in the

10:39:26 front end.

10:39:30 As we move forward to the drafting of the regulation,

10:39:32 how that ultimately -- the standards work for public

10:39:35 participation is part of your analysis, and I can come

10:39:39 back with different recommendations.

10:39:40 >> Okay.

10:39:43 Dennis, did you want to weigh in on this at all?

10:39:49 Or slide a question in, in response that I'm raising?

10:39:54 >> Dennis Fernandez: The only two points that I

10:39:59 venture on, the observation of the legal department and

10:40:06 noticing that there is the process is somewhat bottom

10:40:12 legged, and I believe if you look at the history of the

10:40:14 preservation program, there is actually individuals in

10:40:16 the audience who are actually involved in administering

10:40:19 this program for all of us here.

10:40:23 These type of areas that we were looking at with the

10:40:26 city are usually depressed areas, economically

10:40:28 challenged areas.

10:40:31 Preservation has grown, you know, there are less of

10:40:33 these areas that are economically challenged, although

10:40:37 there still are those areas.

10:40:40 We started to deal with a different model of

10:40:43 neighborhood in the 2000s, and neighborhoods that are

10:40:49 really experiencing development pressure.

10:40:56 You weren't necessarily having deteriorated houses, but

10:41:00 you may have a house in a neighborhood that was on two

10:41:02 parcels.

10:41:03 And so a developer could go in and demolish that house,

10:41:07 and perhaps build two houses on that.

10:41:10 Or encroachment of businesses an whatnot would begin to

10:41:15 somewhat destroy the integrity of the neighborhoods.

10:41:19 And that's why you see there is somewhat of a shift

10:41:23 within the emphasis of the HPC at that point to really

10:41:28 ward off some of those pressures.

10:41:30 The process never really changed to allow for perhaps a

10:41:35 higher degree at the beginning, but initially a lot of

10:41:39 the local historic designations were initiated en masse

10:41:45 through the neighborhoods, and now it's become almost a

10:41:47 process by deferment, that the HPC exists, ARC exists,

10:41:53 that there are these processes that government has

10:41:55 assumed the responsibility for, that someone is doing

10:41:58 it.

10:41:58 And that's what has happened.

10:42:02 So a process by which we have earlier input, more

10:42:05 formal noticing, you know, I don't have any distress

10:42:11 with that.

10:42:12 I still think we can necessarily have a God output.

10:42:16 I think having a very open and participatory process is

10:42:21 essential to the success of a designation.

10:42:24 On the second issue of a vote -- and I will just give

10:42:26 you a little background on why that has never been

10:42:29 done -- essentially because it was always felt, I

10:42:35 believe, that the authority should be with the city, if

10:42:38 there wags an area that the city felt was important,

10:42:42 essentially had a benefit to the city -- and this

10:42:45 doesn't -- a district doesn't need to be 400 buildings.

10:42:49 A district can be four buildings.

10:42:51 The national register defines a district as anything

10:42:54 three buildings or greater.

10:42:57 That you would essentially have the ability as the city

10:43:00 to come in and protect those buildings regardless of

10:43:03 the consent of the owner at that particular time,

10:43:07 ownership changes overtime.

10:43:09 The city would be able to come in and provide

10:43:13 protective ordinances to its historic resources, and

10:43:16 then set standards by which those resources would be

10:43:19 maintained in the future.

10:43:21 So at this point in the discussion I think that's what

10:43:23 I can offer as we go along.

10:43:27 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Councilwoman Mulhern.

10:43:29 >>MARY MULHERN: I'll wait.

10:43:30 But I did want to say, just to people -- and then we

10:43:34 need to hear from people that -- the public process

10:43:39 absolutely at this point does include this council,

10:43:43 your elected officials, voting on it.

10:43:46 So we are here to hear from you.

10:43:50 And we want to hear what you want in your neighborhood.

10:43:57 So I feel like we have got with this particular

10:44:00 neighborhood, it's become this really -- this battle

10:44:03 going on within the neighborhood, and within -- with

10:44:08 the city administration.

10:44:09 But we are just here to listen to you.

10:44:12 I don't want you to feel that you are here begging for

10:44:16 what you want for your neighborhood.

10:44:17 You are not begging.

10:44:18 You are telling us, and we are listening.

10:44:20 We are here to listen to you.

10:44:21 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Next speaker.

10:44:28 >>> Wesley Warren, the president of the Hampton terrace

10:44:31 neighborhood association.

10:44:33 Just to address what Mr. Fernandez says, the

10:44:35 neighborhoods make up this city.

10:44:37 Okay.

10:44:38 And it's no longer blighted.

10:44:44 It's an excellent place to live.

10:44:46 I lived there over 40 years.

10:44:48 I was raised there.

10:44:49 I lived live there because I like it.

10:44:52 It has seen tough times.

10:44:53 But we have come back.

10:44:55 It's an excellent place.

10:44:58 What I would like to see on this proposed, right off

10:45:03 the top, I would like to see a vote by the property

10:45:06 owners, the people most affected by this.

10:45:08 Why waste the city's time, effort and money if the

10:45:11 property owners do not want this?

10:45:15 Now, three people from that area, from the then

10:45:19 neighborhood association, came downtown and said we

10:45:21 want this historic district to happen to us.

10:45:24 What they neglected to do was ask the property owners.

10:45:28 We removed that association now.

10:45:30 They are no longer in control of that area.

10:45:32 Okay.

10:45:33 We went to every door in the neighborhood, knocked on

10:45:35 it, said what do you want?

10:45:38 I have a petition here signed by a majority of property

10:45:41 owners in Hampton terrace to unequivocally Tate they do

10:45:45 not want this.

10:45:48 Why waste the city's time, money and resources that the

10:45:51 property owners do not want it?

10:45:53 Put that first.

10:45:58 The people who pay taxes on that property.

10:46:00 The people who are responsible for maintaining that

10:46:04 property.

10:46:04 The people who make up that neighborhood and again make

10:46:09 up this city.

10:46:10 I also might point out people who put you there.

10:46:13 Thank you.

10:46:13 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you.

10:46:16 Next speaker.

10:46:16 >> Good morning, Tampa City Council.

10:46:22 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Welcome back.

10:46:24 >> Thank you.

10:46:27 From the other side.

10:46:28 >>THOMAS SCOTT: I believe I recognize you.

10:46:29 [ Laughter ]

10:46:30 >> I'm Linda Saul-Sena, and I live at 157 Biscayne,

10:46:36 here this morning to talk to you about my confidence in

10:46:38 Tampa City Council.

10:46:39 I am confident that council can make these decisions

10:46:42 based on public input.

10:46:44 If you all start asking for votes on before rezonings,

10:46:48 before different things you do, I think it would be a

10:46:51 mess.

10:46:51 And I'm so pleased to say that all of the historic

10:46:57 districts in Tampa value, is so much greater than the

10:47:01 unprotected ones.

10:47:02 My first job is at the Planning Commission, and I wrote

10:47:06 the Hyde Park plan.

10:47:07 It was pretty broad in those days.

10:47:09 Now it's better than ever and its values are higher.

10:47:11 But that's not only true for Hyde Park.

10:47:14 It's true for Tampa Heights.

10:47:15 It's true for Seminole Heights.

10:47:16 It's true for all of the areas that we have protected.

10:47:20 And council has done that hearing from the public,

10:47:23 working collaboratively and I'm really confident that's

10:47:26 the best way to continue.

10:47:27 I think that Dennis made a lot of sense in what he said

10:47:30 to you and I encourage you not to go to a voting

10:47:32 process because then you will get to all kinds of the

10:47:34 neighborhood equivalent of hanging chads.

10:47:37 That's my encouragement for you all this morning.

10:47:39 And it's very nice to see you.

10:47:41 Thanks.

10:47:41 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Next speaker.

10:47:49 >> Laurel Lockett, 836 South Dakota.

10:47:54 I was on the HPC for six years and was involved with

10:47:58 staff and the redrafting of the current code.

10:48:01 And I just had a couple of quick points.

10:48:05 I did have a chance to discuss the conceptual approach

10:48:08 with Ms. Coyle.

10:48:09 I think it's a good one.

10:48:11 I think it's good to have the collaboration on the

10:48:12 front end.

10:48:13 The one thing I would point out to you -- and I think

10:48:16 you can get the sense of it from the comments so far --

10:48:20 that designation is a very emotional issue sometimes,

10:48:24 and I would hate to see a process that cuts out the

10:48:27 educational component.

10:48:31 It takes time to educate a neighborhood and to have

10:48:35 that collaborative process.

10:48:37 And if you have especially a vote on the front end,

10:48:40 whether or not you are going to have that discussion,

10:48:43 kind of throwing out the baby with the bath water.

10:48:45 It does take time.

10:48:46 So I like the concept.

10:48:47 I think 120 days is too short.

10:48:51 And then the other issue to sort of weave into this

10:48:55 somehow, having been on the HPC, a lot of times you end

10:48:58 up with a neighborhood saying, or member saying, I

10:49:02 might like it but I noticed to see the design

10:49:04 guidelines.

10:49:05 And it is not true that there is not negotiation on the

10:49:08 design guidelines.

10:49:09 For example, we have quite a row in Hyde Park when we

10:49:17 talked about screen enclosures on pool but ultimately

10:49:20 it was allowed.

10:49:21 So there is a balancing act that goes in with the

10:49:23 designation process and what's in the design

10:49:25 guidelines.

10:49:26 I just urge you not to cut off comments, or the

10:49:29 workshop process, work plan process too early.

10:49:33 Thank you.

10:49:33 >>THOMAS SCOTT: And I agree with that.

10:49:38 I was trying to wait till everybody got through to

10:49:40 respond.

10:49:41 But it's been my experience on this whole issue, you

10:49:47 have to have the public information session or theory

10:49:53 input.

10:49:54 I have been around and I see where people started the

10:49:56 process, didn't like it, but going through it they

10:49:59 changed their whole mind about it.

10:50:00 And that's why it's important to educate and not take

10:50:04 the vote or whatever.

10:50:06 Now I don't say vote or don't vote.

10:50:09 I think there needs to be a way that you engage

10:50:12 everybody so they have input into the process.

10:50:14 But I think the education piece is very important,

10:50:16 because I have seen a lot of people when they started

10:50:18 out, they were absolutely totally against it until they

10:50:21 went through the educational process, and their whole

10:50:23 view did change.

10:50:26 I agree with that.

10:50:27 But at some point it needs to be where they do have,

10:50:30 once you educate people, once they have input, there's

10:50:33 got to be a way to gauge the community to be able to

10:50:35 come to some kind of consensus as to how to move

10:50:38 forward in terms of the designation.

10:50:40 Okay, next speaker.

10:50:42 Well, thank you very much.

10:50:45 >> My name is Byron Griffin, 1010 east Clifton street.

10:50:49 And I also have lived in Hampton terrace for

10:50:51 approximately 25 years and seen quite a transformation.

10:50:55 I pretty much came into the neighborhood when the local

10:50:57 historic designation process was working its way

10:51:02 through its exercises, if you will, on the west side of

10:51:06 the interstate, and I think it went fairly smoothly.

10:51:09 I think there might have been some opposition over

10:51:11 there.

10:51:12 But I didn't see any huge opposition to the process as

10:51:16 it worked.

10:51:17 And I'm saying that I have faith in the City Council

10:51:21 and historic preservation, and I think they have been

10:51:23 doing this for years.

10:51:24 I think they are professionals and I think they know

10:51:27 how to handle this.

10:51:28 I think that ha it has gone relatively smoothly in most

10:51:31 of the historic districts that I have ever experienced.

10:51:36 I not maybe educated for the entire country but it

10:51:39 seems to have worked very well for the west side of

10:51:43 Seminole Heights, Hyde Park and other areas.

10:51:45 I have not heard of their lives being turned into

10:51:47 miserable situations because they are overburdened with

10:51:50 additional regulation.

10:51:52 And I would like to add also that harsh ton terrace is,

10:51:55 in my opinion, a very special place.

10:51:58 It is a place that has been looked at.

10:52:00 And I think there has been historic significance

10:52:03 recognized in it.

10:52:04 An it has already won a designation of national

10:52:08 historic register district, and I think that had a lot

10:52:12 to do with the pride that people started taking.

10:52:15 Although there was not much regulation -- as a matter

10:52:18 of fact, I don't think any regulation at all in a

10:52:23 national historic register district, I think the pride

10:52:26 really started catching on when people realized that

10:52:29 they were living in a neighborhood that was very

10:52:31 special and had unique offerings to the city.

10:52:34 And I commend you for recognizing that.

10:52:37 And I would like very much for you to proceed looking.

10:52:41 Now, as far as public input, I think that is crucial.

10:52:44 And looks like the plan here is making for that

10:52:49 opportunity for the people to be asked what they think

10:52:51 of what is going on.

10:52:53 And that effort was made before.

10:52:55 And you know as well as I that every house in the

10:52:58 neighborhood is flyered and invited to attend a public

10:53:02 meeting.

10:53:03 You are going to be lucky to get maybe 10% of the

10:53:05 people that are actually going to show up.

10:53:07 But I think what it is going to give you is it is going

10:53:10 to give you the people who are really passionate about

10:53:13 where they live, the people who really want to invest

10:53:15 and make it a better place.

10:53:17 We did have that sort of a meeting.

10:53:20 And I think the people who were opposed or were

10:53:24 reluctant in not moving forward were probably in the

10:53:27 very, very small minority.

10:53:28 I think that by reaching out and encouraging everyone

10:53:32 to come forward, it be show of hands or what, I think

10:53:36 that's going to gauge the people who really are willing

10:53:38 to invest in this and move forward.

10:53:42 There are going to be some people who don't go along

10:53:43 with the program.

10:53:46 And I think that they need to be brought in as best

10:53:48 they can.

10:53:50 But I think that it is a beautiful process, and I trust

10:53:52 my City Council.

10:53:53 I want to thank Linda Saul-Sena for putting my words as

10:53:57 eloquently as she did. I'm very much in favor of

10:54:00 entrusting the historians to know what to do in a

10:54:03 historic district.

10:54:04 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you very much.

10:54:04 Next speaker.

10:54:07 >>> Good morning.

10:54:15 My name is LeAnn Green.

10:54:17 I live at 3406 north Avian Avenue.

10:54:24 Tampa Heights, as you heard us talk about all the time,

10:54:26 is the oldest suburb of the City of Tampa.

10:54:29 Housing in our community started building in the

10:54:35 1880s.

10:54:36 So that's one thing we are very proud of.

10:54:38 In fact, when I came into Tampa Heights in the 1980s,

10:54:45 one of the things that we the residents did was

10:54:47 initiated our historic district with people like

10:54:52 Stephani Ferrell and others who are here today.

10:54:57 The residents themselves talking about efforts to try

10:55:00 to identify what we had, and to be able to get the

10:55:03 designations.

10:55:05 The City of Tampa eventually also caught up with us,

10:55:09 and then we got our local historic district.

10:55:12 Because we are the oldest neighborhood, we were able to

10:55:17 get the first neighborhood plan.

10:55:19 And one of the reasons that drove our neighborhood plan

10:55:21 was that we were having other developers who were

10:55:24 interested in our neighborhood, but were bringing other

10:55:29 kind of designs, structures, and we wanted to maintain

10:55:32 the historic aspect of our community.

10:55:36 For us the historic district has been very important.

10:55:38 It has played a very important role, and the residents

10:55:43 ourselves have initiated that.

10:55:45 In fact, I'll give a quick count.

10:55:47 This Sunday we are having our tour of homes, our

10:55:50 12th annual tour of homes which is a direct result

10:55:53 of advertising our historic districts and Shobe casing

10:55:57 those old homes which made people very interested, and

10:56:02 we have had over the years many new residents have come

10:56:06 into our neighborhood, selected to, purchased homes

10:56:10 because of our historic district and because it was

10:56:13 protected.

10:56:14 And so I don't like to see neighborhoods divided.

10:56:17 We work together.

10:56:20 There's got to be some middle ground where we could all

10:56:23 get to the point of agreeing.

10:56:24 And I think education early is a very important part.

10:56:29 Thank you so much.

10:56:29 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you very much.

10:56:30 Thank you.

10:56:35 >> Good morning, City Council members.

10:56:39 Councilman Scott, thank you for having this.

10:56:43 First thing -- well, councilman Scott already said most

10:56:49 of what I want to say.

10:56:50 Education.

10:56:50 People are afraid of education.

10:56:55 So Chairman Scott, thank you.

10:56:59 In Tampa Heights, I worked with the neighborhood as far

10:57:03 as the preservation and historic designation, the local

10:57:08 designation.

10:57:09 We worked pretty hard on that.

10:57:13 It's very, very crucial that that remains.

10:57:18 We want to make sure that remains.

10:57:20 However, we need to let everybody know what the project

10:57:25 is like, what the benefits are.

10:57:28 I have worked with Dennis.

10:57:30 I have helped residents in the neighborhood to get

10:57:33 funds.

10:57:33 There are moneys available.

10:57:35 There are different things that are available.

10:57:37 Yes, it's expensive sometimes to remodel or what have

10:57:40 you.

10:57:41 But there are funds available.

10:57:43 There are low-cost loans.

10:57:45 There are different things that are there for us.

10:57:48 And I'm so glad you are having this workshop.

10:57:53 But we want you to remember that we put you here

10:57:56 because we trust you, that you are going to be looking

10:57:59 out for our neighborhood.

10:58:01 And with that I want to thank you. Carol Joseph

10:58:04 Marshall, Tampa Heights, 604 West Euclid.

10:58:12 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you.

10:58:12 Next speaker.

10:58:18 >> My name is Kim Hevland, and I live at 1001 East 24th

10:58:22 Avenue, in the VM Ybor area neighborhood.

10:58:24 I'm actually the president of the VM Ybor neighborhood

10:58:28 association and the first thing I guess I could like to

10:58:31 say as you all know historic districts are about

10:58:34 preserving our city's historic fabric, our historic

10:58:38 structures, and guiding potential redevelopment.

10:58:42 Many of these areas become, once they are designated to

10:58:45 become economic engines for future compatible sensitive

10:58:49 development, property owners, residents tenants come

10:58:53 and go.

10:58:54 But our historic structures, they stay.

10:58:56 Our cultural identity stays.

10:58:58 And our President Obama tension economic development of

10:59:02 those areas, that's the benefit of these local

10:59:05 districts.

10:59:08 The proposed process, the process that was described

10:59:10 today offers an early noticed opportunity for residents

10:59:15 to buy in and get educated about the process.

10:59:20 Once noticed officially by the city, every single

10:59:23 property owner gets that opportunity to come hear about

10:59:28 the process, get educated, voice their concerns, before

10:59:31 anybody on city staff committees a significant amount

10:59:35 of time to pushing the process forward.

10:59:38 That's, I think, incredibly beneficial.

10:59:42 In terms of a vote, unfortunately not all neighborhoods

10:59:45 have a majority of homeowners who live in the

10:59:47 neighborhood.

10:59:49 Like mine, a lot of homeowners live out of state, live

10:59:53 beyond the city limits, and in that case a vote, you

10:59:58 are then asking folks that may not even come to the

11:00:04 area basis an opportunity to vote on this city's

11:00:07 architectural and historical ter heritage.

11:00:11 To me that does not make a lot of sense.

11:00:16 In summary, I would like to say, at the end of last

11:00:18 year and beginning of this year the VM Ybor

11:00:22 neighborhood association took two votes.

11:00:23 The first was to go ahead and just start the discussion

11:00:28 about possibly being much of a neighborhood in the

11:00:34 national historic district.

11:00:35 We wanted the opportunity to be considered for local

11:00:39 historic district.

11:00:40 We voted once to have that conversation.

11:00:42 We voted a second time to go and present to the

11:00:45 Historic Preservation Commission in May, which we did,

11:00:49 to request to be on the work plan.

11:00:51 And then city staff came and met with us in July where

11:00:55 all residents had the opportunity to ask questions and

11:00:58 start to get involved.

11:00:58 I think the process described today is an excellent

11:01:03 example of how to get communities buy in early in the

11:01:07 process.

11:01:07 And I really don't feel a vote of all property owners

11:01:10 is necessary or required.

11:01:12 And I thank you for your time.

11:01:16 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Next speaker.

11:01:16 >> Good morning.

11:01:22 My name is Jim Quinn.

11:01:23 I live at 1230 east Comanche Avenue in Seminole

11:01:26 Heights, Hampton terrace subdivision.

11:01:31 I have been involved in the historic preservation of

11:01:33 not one but two major structures in West Tampa

11:01:35 including one at Tampa's famed cigar factories.

11:01:39 I know how difficult it is.

11:01:40 I also know how expensive it is.

11:01:43 I have faith in you as well.

11:01:44 I voted for many of you.

11:01:46 I also have faith in my neighbors.

11:01:48 If this group here was to tell each of you we are going

11:01:51 to make some rules about your home, and you don't have

11:01:54 a vote on it, I think would you be upset about it.

11:01:57 I know, I have a 27 bungalow I try to take care of

11:02:02 myself.

11:02:03 I am all for historic preservation.

11:02:06 I don't think anybody can honestly say, hey, this a

11:02:08 beautiful old building, I don't like it.

11:02:10 It's where you get that opportunity to make that

11:02:12 decision by choice.

11:02:14 We are not being given a choice.

11:02:16 Had I been given a choice or knock opt out Klaus clause

11:02:21 I would probably say I'm all for historic preservation.

11:02:24 I bought an older home.

11:02:25 But we are not being involved in that.

11:02:27 We are not even being asked.

11:02:28 In fact when we did try to ask questions we were told

11:02:31 to form our own group and go fight it.

11:02:35 I would like this council to possibly help me give me

11:02:37 my neighborhood back.

11:02:38 There's a neighbor in here that HIV lived next to for

11:02:41 15 years.

11:02:42 We don't even talk anymore.

11:02:45 The policies and the procedures of what's going on has

11:02:48 divided our neighborhood something first.

11:02:50 People don't talk anymore.

11:02:52 People have obtained attorneys.

11:02:57 We have porches we used to say hi to everybody, walked

11:03:00 to walk their dogs.

11:03:01 Hampton terrace isn't like that anymore.

11:03:03 It's a mess.

11:03:04 And the forced historic preservation is part of the

11:03:06 problem.

11:03:06 It used to be a bad area.

11:03:08 It's come along by itself.

11:03:09 I guess what I'm trying to say is the people have a

11:03:12 right to be heard about what's going to happen and

11:03:14 what's going to affect effect them.

11:03:17 My 80-year-old neighbor is not here today.

11:03:19 But I don't think she can afford the wood windows or

11:03:21 something that's in the design guidelines.

11:03:25 I ask that you people please listen to what the people

11:03:28 who live in the area, who are affected by it, hear what

11:03:32 they have to say.

11:03:32 It's important.

11:03:35 We have faith in you but we also have faith in our

11:03:37 neighborhood.

11:03:38 An opt-out clause, a vote, something where we can

11:03:42 actually stand up and say, hey, it's my property.

11:03:44 I take care of it.

11:03:45 This is how I feel.

11:03:47 And again I thank you for taking the courage to bring

11:03:49 this up and look at this problem.

11:03:51 It is dividing neighborhoods something very, very

11:03:54 firstly and is a bad, bad thing.

11:03:56 Hopefully we can come to terms where everybody can

11:03:58 agree, everybody can have a say on it and we'll move

11:04:01 forward.

11:04:02 Okay?

11:04:02 Thank you very much.

11:04:03 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you very much.

11:04:04 Next speaker.

11:04:06 >> Good morning, Mr. Chairman which the Scott and

11:04:13 council members.

11:04:13 My name is Stephani Ferrell.

11:04:15 As you most likely know I have been involved in

11:04:17 historic preservation for a long time.

11:04:19 Now recently for the last 13 years or so on the private

11:04:22 side.

11:04:24 I would like to first say I think that Julia Cole's

11:04:29 proposal of they basically codifying from the

11:04:34 neighborhood is I think an excellent conceptual

11:04:37 approach and I would like to see that fleshed out.

11:04:40 And then I would also like to mention some of the past.

11:04:43 Hyde Park as you all probably know was the first

11:04:47 locally initiated local historic district.

11:04:51 I set that apart from the Ybor district which is

11:04:55 designated by the Florida legislature.

11:04:57 But the Hyde Park, that started with the Hyde Park

11:04:59 neighborhood members going to the mayor, then mayor

11:05:04 Martinez at the time, then to the historic preservation

11:05:07 board, which I directed at that time.

11:05:09 And so it was a neighborhood initiated program.

11:05:12 And it was not codified.

11:05:14 I can share with you that we spent many times at public

11:05:18 meetings, and council chambers, and in people's living

11:05:24 rooms to begin the educational process.

11:05:27 That was very, very important, because it would not

11:05:29 have happened if we didn't make that extra effort at

11:05:34 that point as I was a staff member, and then volunteers

11:05:38 were also involved in that educational process.

11:05:40 So it worked well because of that early education which

11:05:45 again was not codified, that set forth that process.

11:05:48 Likewise, in Seminole Heights and in Tampa Heights, it

11:05:52 was neighborhood initiate and the fact that Seminole

11:05:55 Heights, they wrote their historic district guidelines,

11:05:59 with some help from city staff and from the press

11:06:01 preservation board.

11:06:02 But they actually wrote it, photographed the

11:06:04 neighborhood, put together a lot of the graphics.

11:06:07 So it was something that rose up from them, and then we

11:06:10 provided the technical assistance.

11:06:15 One example of part of the educational process that I

11:06:18 think needs to happen is that there are preservation

11:06:23 not only loan programs that one of the other speakers

11:06:25 mentioned, but also there is the ad valorem property

11:06:27 tax exemption for the rehabilitation of historic

11:06:31 properties.

11:06:32 And that applies to both residential and commercial

11:06:35 properties.

11:06:36 So there can be a substantial savings for property

11:06:42 owners who rehabilitate their properties.

11:06:44 And in Tampa, I most recently looked at the millage

11:06:51 that it would save.

11:06:51 It saves about 1.7 mills of the 25 or so mills that

11:06:57 someone would pay on the increased value of the

11:07:00 property that results from the rehabilitation.

11:07:02 So a lot of people don't know that.

11:07:04 There are some financial benefits as well as the

11:07:07 intrinsic and more esoteric benefits of preservation.

11:07:10 And then there are also federal income tax credits for

11:07:13 the rehabilitation of income-producing properties.

11:07:17 And some of the neighborhoods have those both

11:07:19 residential and/or commercial.

11:07:24 So throws a lot of information that needs to be shared

11:07:26 and I urge you to take that into account.

11:07:28 Thank you.

11:07:28 >>MARY MULHERN: Can I ask you a question?

11:07:32 To get the ad valorem break and the commercial federal

11:07:39 tax relief, if you are designated national historic,

11:07:46 can you do that?

11:07:48 Or do you have to have a local designation to be able

11:07:51 to get those tax credits?

11:07:53 >> The federal income tax credits, basically, go with

11:07:59 or come with national register listing but the local

11:08:01 tax exemption comes with designation by City of Tampa

11:08:06 as either landmark or as a contributing building in a

11:08:09 locally designated --

11:08:11 >> Okay, you have to be designated locally?

11:08:13 >> Yes.

11:08:14 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you.

11:08:15 Next speaker.

11:08:18 >> Good morning, council.

11:08:19 I'm Becky Clark.

11:08:20 I live at 5139 south Nichols street.

11:08:23 I'm currently serving as president of Tampa

11:08:25 Preservation incorporated.

11:08:26 I think many of you have seen me at this podium many,

11:08:29 many times over many, many years.

11:08:33 I want to echo again -- and I know it sound like we are

11:08:36 beating a horse and we are all agreeing, but the

11:08:38 education component is crucial to this whole process.

11:08:42 Tampa Preservation has worked for 25 years, and that's

11:08:46 one of our main focuses is to educate the citizens of

11:08:49 our town about preservation.

11:08:51 There's been many conceptions expressed this morning.

11:08:58 The design guidelines are customize to the individual

11:09:02 area.

11:09:03 Tampa Preservation is currently taking the preservation

11:09:06 of a house in Ybor City.

11:09:07 We are just going through the review process with the

11:09:09 barrio.

11:09:10 And there's a lot of flexibility in materials and

11:09:15 processes and things you can do that are not

11:09:17 prohibitively expensive.

11:09:20 So that education process is crucial.

11:09:23 And I would just like to really encourage you to do

11:09:26 that.

11:09:26 I think I really want to echo Ken Hevland spoke about

11:09:36 the resources.

11:09:37 These areas give our community the identity.

11:09:42 We don't want to live in a glass menagerie of

11:09:45 high-rises.

11:09:46 We want to have these unique character structures in

11:09:48 our neighborhoods and in our town.

11:09:50 So I encourage you to remember that, that it is a

11:09:53 community value, not just a property owner's value.

11:09:56 Thank you.

11:09:56 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you.

11:10:01 Okay.

11:10:04 This will be our last speaker.

11:10:05 We have to move to our next workshop.

11:10:07 >> My name is Alan Dotson, 5111 north Suwannee Avenue

11:10:13 in the historic district of Seminole Heights.

11:10:15 I guess could you say I'm a practicing professional

11:10:17 that has done a lot of work in Seminole Heights and

11:10:20 Hyde Park in Tampa Heights as well.

11:10:22 I was part of the original Seminole Heights historic

11:10:26 preservation committee as it was originally called, the

11:10:29 neighborhood association.

11:10:30 But I would like to reiterate again what Linda and Ken

11:10:34 said about the voting.

11:10:37 There shouldn't have to be voting to do a work plan

11:10:40 because the whole purpose of a work plan is to educate

11:10:41 people.

11:10:42 I think that's the most important thing.

11:10:47 And there's been a lot of misrepresentation.

11:10:49 I heard something said, you know, that I can't afford

11:10:52 to put wood windows in my house.

11:10:54 That is not necessarily true.

11:10:56 All those kind of things get fleshed out in the design

11:11:01 guidelines and that's part of the discussion I assume

11:11:03 during the work plan for things that are important

11:11:05 fought to the neighborhood are discussed, and agreed

11:11:07 upon, and things that are not important.

11:11:10 Peg, Seminole Heights, you are not allowed to have a

11:11:13 front yard fence.

11:11:15 As a whole they decided they would like front yard

11:11:19 fences in their neighborhood.

11:11:21 So these guidelines do not restrict you from doing

11:11:25 things to your house unless it's inappropriate to the

11:11:29 neighborhood.

11:11:29 And if it affects the neighborhood of the value of

11:11:34 everyone else's property and that's what Ken mentioned

11:11:37 about how much these preservation guidelines protect

11:11:40 our historic resources.

11:11:45 And then Mr. Grandoff mentioned about having possibly

11:11:50 having to notice people if you are in a historic

11:11:52 district.

11:11:52 This is a change of zoning.

11:11:54 I don't think you have to notify people nowadays what

11:11:57 zoning district you are in.

11:11:58 So whatever zoning district you are in, then overlay

11:12:01 district there is, that's part of the public record.

11:12:04 In the end I think it's a benefit to the properties in

11:12:11 the districts.

11:12:12 One thing I would like to say, another

11:12:15 misrepresentation was the secretary standards are this

11:12:18 big old book of regulations.

11:12:20 It's ten the criteria.

11:12:22 It's very simple.

11:12:23 And the interpretation is in the design guidelines for

11:12:30 the area as a whole.

11:12:33 >>THOMAS SCOTT: We certainly thank all of you for your

11:12:35 participation and your involvement today.

11:12:37 Councilman Miranda?

11:12:39 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: As I sat here and gone to the office

11:12:42 a couple times and watched it on television, one

11:12:44 reference was made to you don't do this be in zonings.

11:12:49 That's altogether different.

11:12:50 Totally different between historical and a zoning

11:12:55 application before the council.

11:12:59 When you have a zoning, you focus -- a sign is posted

11:13:03 and within 250 feet as the crow flies you send out

11:13:10 registered letters.

11:13:13 Just a second, let me state and then you can come after

11:13:16 me.

11:13:20 The people that live within 200 feet, 50 feet, or 5,000

11:13:24 feet certainly have the right to come before this

11:13:26 council and state their opinion before a vote is taken

11:13:31 on whether to deny or approve that zoning.

11:13:33 That's not the case here

11:13:35 So there's two different criteria being used as one.

11:13:39 And it's like mixing oil and water.

11:13:42 The thing that bothers me the most is that a

11:13:46 neighborhood is now -- not speaking to each other at a

11:13:54 forum.

11:13:55 That's not good for a city.

11:13:56 That's not good for a neighborhood.

11:13:57 That's not even good for the neighbors.

11:14:00 When you start that process, creates hardship, credits

11:14:06 anger, and we have enough of that already without

11:14:08 adding anymore.

11:14:13 It is very difficult to feel left out if you don't have

11:14:19 a procedure of procedures at which you can apply

11:14:21 yourself at the beginning.

11:14:22 And what's so bad about having a vote?

11:14:26 In essence, you have a vote, and you have a zoning.

11:14:29 The vote is here, the seven, get a majority of four it

11:14:34 passes.

11:14:36 So I'm not opposed to votes.

11:14:37 Votes is what made this country what it is.

11:14:40 Independent from the rest of the world and different.

11:14:44 It's a process that gives those the right to understand

11:14:49 what we seven say and do.

11:14:52 Sometimes they approve us, sometimes they don't approve

11:14:57 of us.

11:14:57 But the process that it is, I have gotten 5 e-mails

11:15:01 today from different residents.

11:15:03 And I heard one when ways in the back there were 500

11:15:06 that signed a petition.

11:15:07 That created the hardship in this neighborhood.

11:15:11 As I read some of these e-mails it said that only three

11:15:13 individuals -- this is in the e-mail so I have to take

11:15:18 it as truth -- were the ones that were responsible for

11:15:21 creating this.

11:15:22 I'm not saying this.

11:15:23 I'm saying what the e-mail says.

11:15:27 And it talks about different things, each one is a

11:15:29 little different.

11:15:30 I think there's two basically the same.

11:15:33 So it must have been two neighbors that spoke to each

11:15:36 other.

11:15:37 So what I'm saying is that these processes have to

11:15:39 change.

11:15:40 I commend Julia Cole for coming up with some changes.

11:15:44 But somewhere along the line, the most property rights,

11:15:50 I believe it.

11:15:51 I also believe in historical preservation.

11:15:54 However, when these things come about, and put in and

11:16:03 codified in the record, and say, okay, this is

11:16:05 happening, now that is what is going to be, there is no

11:16:07 way, not even God can change that.

11:16:11 I recall.

11:16:12 Am I correct or wrong in.

11:16:13 >>JULIA COLE: Legal department.

11:16:16 The way our process works today, there really is no

11:16:19 formalized entry point into the work plan process, nor

11:16:24 is there a formalized exit from the work plan process.

11:16:27 That's what I'm recommending, is a more formalized

11:16:30 entry point, a more formalized exit point, prior to

11:16:35 expending resources.

11:16:36 But the way it is now, you are in forever.

11:16:41 You can't get out.

11:16:51 I don't blame you for not getting in the fracas here.

11:16:55 What I am trying to say is, this is a government of

11:16:59 laws an votes an always has been, hopefully always will

11:17:02 be, you know.

11:17:03 And it's incumbent upon us to realize for every action

11:17:12 there's a reaction.

11:17:13 Look at the action that was taken and look at the

11:17:15 reaction that happened.

11:17:16 Not good.

11:17:17 People don't speak to each other.

11:17:18 Necessity don't they don't see each other in the

11:17:21 grocery store and say hi.

11:17:27 It's not good to live that way.

11:17:29 It's not good for the neighborhood and it's certainly

11:17:31 not good for the city.

11:17:33 That brings animosity.

11:17:36 That brings conflict.

11:17:38 And there's enough of that without us creating any

11:17:41 more.

11:17:45 Do I have an answer?

11:17:47 The only answer is for the neighbors to make up.

11:17:55 I can't fix everything that goes wrong.

11:17:58 I would like to.

11:17:58 But even I can be wrong.

11:18:02 So the process that you started is certainly a good

11:18:04 one, but you have an entry point and an exit point.

11:18:08 But do you have a vote?

11:18:10 Because even in zonings, we vote.

11:18:12 >> I haven't put down specifically what the standards

11:18:21 are, and the participation process, and how that's

11:18:25 delineated.

11:18:29 I was simply suggesting an entry point and exit point

11:18:31 on an early stage.

11:18:32 I think through our land use process, changing our text

11:18:38 amendments, I can certainly bring forward somebody

11:18:40 different options for how we define what is necessary

11:18:45 to make a decision.

11:18:48 As to whether or not you enter into the study process

11:18:50 or don't enter into the study process, and would like

11:18:53 the opportunity to take some time to flush out the

11:18:56 language.

11:18:57 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Since you are the only attorney here

11:18:59 I can put you on the spot.

11:19:00 But this has already happened.

11:19:02 This is something that was yesterday.

11:19:04 It's happened.

11:19:06 And this is going to end up, from what I see, and the

11:19:14 more conflict of lawsuits, I want to get out, I want to

11:19:16 stay in, who are you to tell me what to do on my

11:19:19 property, that kind of stuff.

11:19:22 So is there any way that you could research this and

11:19:25 come back and tell us an opinion, can you change this?

11:19:30 Like I said earlier, God can't change what happened.

11:19:32 >> Well, I'm comfortable we can create a process that

11:19:37 requires a public hearing, and a decision by City

11:19:41 Council as to what the study area is, and I'm

11:19:46 comfortable that legally you can set forth parameters.

11:19:49 What I would want to research is especially as relates

11:19:52 to the public participation part of this, what the

11:19:55 parameters are in terms of vote versus standards.

11:20:04 That I haven't really gotten to was research at this

11:20:07 point.

11:20:07 I simply wanted to provide a process at the front end.

11:20:14 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Since it was mentioned it was like a

11:20:16 zoning issue, then why don't we treat it like a zoning

11:20:19 issue to some degree?

11:20:21 >>JULIA COLE: Well, we do treat it as a zoning issue.

11:20:25 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: But without a vote.

11:20:26 >>JULIA COLE: For the actual designation of the

11:20:29 district.

11:20:30 That is a fully noticed -- we treat it as a rezoning.

11:20:35 Mr. Grandoff mentioned we treat it like an area

11:20:37 rezoning.

11:20:38 But that would be legally how we treat it.

11:20:41 What I'm suggesting is prior to going to the point of

11:20:46 noticed public hearing where you are presented with an

11:20:49 up or down vote on the designation of a district that

11:20:54 you are -- that City Council make a decision on the

11:20:58 study area part of it.

11:20:59 It's almost like the planned part of it versus the

11:21:02 zoning part of it.

11:21:03 I see this as more eh kin to the planning portion of it

11:21:06 than the zoning portion of it.

11:21:10 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: And I agree that we have not been

11:21:11 the best Courier or message to the administration by

11:21:14 saying do this.

11:21:15 Do what?

11:21:16 How do you do it?

11:21:17 What is it you want done?

11:21:19 We just send these things out and we expect them to

11:21:21 know what we want done, and they don't.

11:21:24 So I agree with you and apologize to staff at the same

11:21:26 time.

11:21:26 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Okay.

11:21:29 Councilwoman Mulhern.

11:21:30 >>MARY MULHERN: Yes.

11:21:35 I think the best thing I heard today was about the

11:21:38 education process, and especially after reading all of

11:21:42 the e-mails we got, I think both sides need to listen

11:21:48 to each other, too, because I'm hearing things today

11:21:53 that I haven't heard before.

11:21:55 So I haven't heard that, you know, the neighborhood

11:22:05 gets to have the input in the design guidelines.

11:22:07 So a lot of things I have been hearing today from

11:22:10 advocates of historic preservation and from our

11:22:14 historic preservation staff and legal is that there are

11:22:16 some misperceptions and some of the absolute opposition

11:22:22 to having historic designations may not be -- there may

11:22:31 be room here to have a discussion.

11:22:33 It does really sound like things have gotten really bad

11:22:37 where discussion isn't happening, and nobody is

11:22:39 learning from each other on this.

11:22:41 And I think in general the perception is that historic

11:22:46 preservation is really expensive, and its burdensome,

11:22:51 and I don't think all of that perception can be

11:22:56 discredited.

11:22:58 So I think that on both sides we really need to look at

11:23:01 that, and if we want to continue to designate

11:23:06 neighborhoods historic, we need to address those

11:23:10 problems, because you can designate it.

11:23:14 But if people can't afford to adopt the practices to

11:23:18 make the district historic, eventually it's not going

11:23:22 to become a better neighborhood.

11:23:26 So I find it -- and I need to be educated, too, and

11:23:32 especially with not having Linda on council anymore, we

11:23:36 all need to do more research and maybe meet with you

11:23:41 more and find out, because we used to be able to count

11:23:44 on someone on council just explaining things to us.

11:23:46 But what I would like to hear from, or suggest, is that

11:23:58 our staff needs to meet more with this particular

11:24:01 neighborhood if we are in this process, right?

11:24:06 Are we in the process with Hampton terrace?

11:24:09 >>JULIA COLE: We are in a process where they have been

11:24:11 placed on the work program, and staff has met with

11:24:17 them, but they haven't moved forward into the phase yet

11:24:20 where we have developed design standards and brought it

11:24:25 forward for a determination of in essence the area-wide

11:24:33 type rezoning to create the district.

11:24:34 And that, I think, is part of what I am trying to

11:24:37 correct.

11:24:39 We have done it informally but actually a more

11:24:42 formalized process, so that we are not languishing.

11:24:46 >> I see what you are saying.

11:24:47 So this to me looks and sounds like a good process if

11:24:53 we can have the good faith from both sides from the

11:24:55 city and from the neighborhood, then you are willing to

11:25:01 participate in this process and be open to hearing and

11:25:08 contributing.

11:25:11 We are being told you can contribute to these design

11:25:13 standards.

11:25:13 I would like to think that you would be willing to

11:25:18 investigate that and find out, because we have very

11:25:22 specific things that people were opposed to on this.

11:25:26 If your answers -- some of your answers can be allayed,

11:25:31 and maybe you feel you have answered them and you are

11:25:33 not happy with them but I think legal has created a

11:25:38 good process here for the public input so that you can

11:25:41 contribute to that.

11:25:43 And I do think -- I'm not sure exactly what Mr. Miranda

11:25:49 was getting at, councilman Miranda, about the vote,

11:25:52 because I see on this new process, noticed public

11:25:55 meeting for City Council for final inclusion on work

11:25:58 plan.

11:26:00 Has that already happened so we are not going to be

11:26:03 able to do that?

11:26:04 So we can still have that happen?

11:26:05 >>JULIA COLE: That's what I am recommending that you

11:26:08 actually --

11:26:09 >>MARY MULHERN: So that's the new process.

11:26:11 So I think that's great.

11:26:12 I think this looked good.

11:26:14 And I would like to see you come forward with it.

11:26:16 And as far as the neighborhood associations voting,

11:26:21 that doesn't happen in any of our processes, our

11:26:25 rezoning, our land use.

11:26:26 People come here and we can have 100 people in this

11:26:29 audience.

11:26:30 We can have a huge, huge majority not wanting

11:26:33 something, and it can still pass.

11:26:37 So I think the perception that we are somehow making

11:26:44 historic designations different, I don't think that's

11:26:47 true.

11:26:47 It's council who votes on making those determinations,

11:26:50 and that's what makes our life difficult, those

11:26:54 quasi-judicial votes that we have to take.

11:26:58 Where we end up getting sued, which is happening all

11:27:01 the time, as Mr. Grandoff is always happy to be here to

11:27:09 Lee mind us.

11:27:11 So this looks good to me.

11:27:12 I would like to direct and to ask staff, legal, to go

11:27:20 forward and work on this new process.

11:27:27 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Okay, Councilwoman Capin.

11:27:30 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Thank you, chairman.

11:27:31 I'm here.

11:27:34 I see the third step within 120 days, HPC

11:27:39 administrators, that meeting with affected property

11:27:42 owners to provide program and process information.

11:27:45 That's the education part, correct?

11:27:52 So not too far down the line is where the education

11:27:56 comes in.

11:28:01 That seems to me to be close enough.

11:28:09 For the property owners and the, again, effected

11:28:14 property owners to come in and be informed of the

11:28:16 process and the program.

11:28:22 So I do like what you are trying to streamline very

11:28:27 much.

11:28:30 And I think it will answer a lot of what we are hearing

11:28:32 today.

11:28:35 Thank you.

11:28:36 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Well, let me just say that we heard a

11:28:40 lot of testimony today and a lot of comments by

11:28:45 council.

11:28:48 That's pretty accurate.

11:28:50 I will only say that given where I have been in my

11:28:53 experience, it is always important to engage the

11:28:55 community and get a feel from the neighborhood what

11:28:57 they want.

11:28:59 And whether you want to vote or don't vote, there has

11:29:02 to be a way to engage them to find out what it is that

11:29:05 they desire.

11:29:06 And it can't be just in the neighborhood of several

11:29:09 hundred people, that three people come in and determine

11:29:12 that.

11:29:12 That's not acceptable.

11:29:14 It has to be a way for that neighborhood is engaged,

11:29:18 and they have input.

11:29:21 And the way you vote, don't vote.

11:29:24 Now, as to the issue of voting, don't you all say that

11:29:29 we never took voting.

11:29:31 Because every zoning issue that comes before us, one of

11:29:33 the first things that happens, does your neighborhood

11:29:37 association vote on this be?

11:29:38 They come before us saying, this neighborhood voted on

11:29:41 this, it was five against and one for and all that.

11:29:44 That happens every time we have a zoning issue.

11:29:47 Every time.

11:29:48 So we can't say that there's no voting.

11:29:51 That's not accurate.

11:29:52 And we asked, well, how did T.H.A.N. know about it?

11:29:56 Did T.H.A.N. take a vote on it?

11:29:59 That happens almost every public meeting we have.

11:30:03 So don't say we don't take a vote.

11:30:07 Just the other day, Councilwoman Miller said, I am

11:30:10 opposed unless there's a way to engage the neighborhood

11:30:14 as well as they want this issue.

11:30:18 Is that right?

11:30:18 Councilman Miranda backed it up.

11:30:20 And so now those that want community gardens, there has

11:30:24 to be a way for them to have input, as I recall if it

11:30:29 don't go forward.

11:30:30 So don't say that we can't do it.

11:30:33 And I'm not saying you need to do it or don't need to

11:30:36 do it.

11:30:37 What I'm saying is there needs to be a process in place

11:30:40 that the community is satisfied and be able to engage

11:30:44 their input.

11:30:46 Ms. Cole, I think you are off to a good start.

11:30:49 I think we need to wait now and see what you are going

11:30:52 to bring back in terms of recommendation, how are you

11:30:54 planning to engage the neighborhood relative to the

11:30:57 community.

11:30:58 Because the last thing that we want is for government

11:31:01 to go into a neighborhood and do something and divide

11:31:04 the community.

11:31:04 I'm not saying we do that in this case.

11:31:07 I'm saying we don't want that.

11:31:08 We want neighbors to be able to speak to neighbors, we

11:31:11 want them to get along and all that.

11:31:13 And something that is inherently wrong, when I can't

11:31:16 speak to my next door neighbor, that's not good.

11:31:20 And that's from the preacher side of me, the pastor

11:31:24 side that is important for us to be able to

11:31:26 communicate, be able to relate, be able to get along

11:31:30 with one another.

11:31:32 At the same time, I'm a firm believer, you can disagree

11:31:34 without being disagreeable.

11:31:37 Okay.

11:31:43 I can disagree with you and we still get along.

11:31:45 Is that right?

11:31:47 Disagreeable is when I don't agree at all, and because

11:31:50 I don't greet you I am not going to speak to you no

11:31:54 more.

11:31:56 You are house can be on fire and I am not going to call

11:31:58 the fire department.

11:31:59 That's the wrong attitude.

11:32:01 I think it's important for us to be able to relate to

11:32:04 each other, to be able to disagree and understand why

11:32:07 we disagree and be able to move forward together.

11:32:09 Okay in anything else?

11:32:11 What action do we need to take today, Ms. Cole?

11:32:14 >>JULIA COLE: Well, what I will go ahead and do is

11:32:20 draft some regulations along with what I had given to

11:32:22 you today.

11:32:23 That would need to be in your January chapter 27 text

11:32:26 amendment cycle.

11:32:28 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Do we need to make a motion on that?

11:32:31 >>JULIA COLE: That I think would help.

11:32:33 >>: So moved.

11:32:34 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Been moved and seconded.

11:32:36 All in favor?

11:32:37 Opposes?

11:32:38 >>JULIA COLE: The only other thing I did want to say

11:32:41 is I think since we are revisiting the way we are going

11:32:44 to deal with this process, I am going to go ahead and

11:32:47 make the recommendation to staff that they don't

11:32:50 proceed forward until we have all this finalized and

11:32:59 get everybody on the same foot.

11:33:01 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Any other we need to take now?

11:33:03 Again thank you very much for coming today and making

11:33:06 your voices heard.

11:33:09 I think City Council really listened to you today.

11:33:11 Thank you very much.

11:33:12 Have a great day.

11:33:14 And we are going to lose council in a minute.

11:33:16 We can hold the noise down as you exit, please.

11:33:23 Item 5.

11:33:29 That's the TECO and the city in terms of how they are

11:33:34 implementing the recommendation from the conservation

11:33:40 task force.

11:33:40 Excuse me.

11:33:41 [Sounding gavel]

11:33:43 Council is still in session.

11:33:44 Council is still in session.

11:33:45 If you will exit out please quietly so we can continue

11:33:48 our business.

11:33:48 We will appreciate that very much.

11:33:50 Thank you so much.

11:34:55 >>THOM SNELLING: Good morning.

11:34:56 It's a pleasure to be here.

11:34:57 My name is Thom Snelling, growth management development

11:34:59 services, City of Tampa green officer.

11:35:04 I'm here today to speak on item number 5 workshop

11:35:07 number 5.

11:35:09 Council had asked that we report back on some of the

11:35:13 implementation strategy of the task force

11:35:15 recommendation.

11:35:16 That's what we are going to do today.

11:35:18 The first thing I would like to very quickly talk about

11:35:21 is how we got to the task force.

11:35:26 And what you have in your packet in front of you that I

11:35:28 just handed out to everybody is you have the actual

11:35:30 final recommendations of the task force which you have

11:35:32 seen before.

11:35:34 You also have the collaborative efforts.

11:35:40 Mr. Gordon Gillette will speak after me in his portion

11:35:42 of the presentation and some of that will look

11:35:45 familiar.

11:35:47 In your packet the residential and commercial

11:35:49 conservation programs that TECO has, and then the

11:35:53 fourth item has the strategies that were developed by

11:35:56 TECO, and how TECO can respond back to some of these

11:36:01 recommendations and what they indeed would be able to

11:36:03 bring to the table.

11:36:13 As the task force was going forward a number of

11:36:31 policies and programs that the city should expand upon

11:36:35 continue were included in the recommendation, and I

11:36:36 will go over those briefly.

11:36:38 You do have that.

11:36:41 On page 1, the I sent that to you and I just have a

11:36:47 reminder packet there.

11:36:49 But the first recommendation has to do with continuing

11:36:54 implementing energy conservation, conserving practices.

11:36:57 We do have items in the zoning code that speak to

11:37:01 energy conservation, lead equivalency, the task force

11:37:06 recommended to try to expand upon that program so that

11:37:09 when included that in here.

11:37:10 The second portion had to do with neighborhood

11:37:12 stabilization to include energy conservation language

11:37:16 in there, and we currently have in our RFP that we send

11:37:20 out the construction language, language that talks to

11:37:22 energy conservation, also our affordable housing design

11:37:25 guidelines have a whole list of energy conservation

11:37:28 energy savings programs included and actually give

11:37:30 additional points for doing that type of thing in the

11:37:33 RFPs that we send out and the neighborhood strategy for

11:37:36 stabilization program.

11:37:38 The third one had to do with energy efficiency and

11:37:41 facilities management.

11:37:43 And the city is continuing that effort.

11:37:46 Currently, we have about 16 buildings that already have

11:37:52 energy management systems.

11:37:53 We have ten more through our regular capital

11:37:55 improvement program, and there are three additional

11:37:57 ones that were recently funded.

11:37:59 Downfall approved the resolution just last week for

11:38:02 over a million dollars to upgrade three buildings, this

11:38:07 building included Tampa Police Department and the

11:38:09 headquarters for Tampa Fire Rescue downtown as well.

11:38:11 So those three will be the newest to get the most

11:38:14 state-of-the-art energy management systems.

11:38:18 The fourth recommendation is to continue with energy

11:38:24 retrofits.

11:38:25 And as I said, we have engaged the services of an

11:38:32 energy services corporation to come through and

11:38:33 evaluate and they have already worked with about --

11:38:36 they have been engaged and they have looked at six of

11:38:39 our major facilities, continuing on a regular basis

11:38:42 with the departments, and they will craft what they

11:38:44 hope believe will be a very long-term broad-based

11:38:49 energy conservation package that the city can take

11:38:51 advantage of.

11:38:51 Once that happens, we will be able to see where that

11:38:54 will take us and where we can go from there to maximize

11:38:56 the energy efficiencies of square buildings.

11:39:00 The fifth is a greenhouse gas.

11:39:01 Council has been aware of this for a long time.

11:39:03 Again, we signed a resolution.

11:39:05 We uploaded the purchase order this morning.

11:39:09 And we will be meeting with the company we have

11:39:12 selected to undertake that study.

11:39:13 That's going forward very well for us.

11:39:15 The next one is expanding the solar -- use of solar

11:39:19 power, cells and water heaters.

11:39:23 TECO energy has a program they have in front of the

11:39:25 public services commission to expand the program as

11:39:27 well as some of their existing programs.

11:39:32 He may touch on that in his presentation as well.

11:39:34 The next one is ongoing energy work with TECO and some

11:39:39 of the strategies that we developed after in response

11:39:43 to the recommendations is part of that process to go on

11:39:47 and we will continue to do that.

11:39:50 What I will ask you to do if you wanted to, if you

11:39:52 switch to the document that says existing actions and

11:40:03 programs.

11:40:03 We just reviewed that.

11:40:04 But this kind of shows what the recommendation was, and

11:40:08 some of the implementation strategy that TECO said that

11:40:11 they could help bring to the table to implement some of

11:40:13 these.

11:40:27 Basically, these were the actions to be pursued.

11:40:33 And first and foremost, I wanted to make sure you

11:40:36 understand that these are items that we are pursuing.

11:40:39 We want to pursue.

11:40:40 We have varying stages of different kinds of things.

11:40:45 We are working with TECO.

11:40:46 But bear in mind it does talk and specify all of these

11:40:50 actions, if it requires additional if it requires

11:40:54 additional programs from TECO are subject to the

11:40:57 Florida service commission approval, and we want to

11:40:59 make sure that people recognize, that is what governs

11:41:01 how they participate in the programs.

11:41:05 To a greater or lesser degree.

11:41:08 If you look at it as number 8, again expanding the low

11:41:12 income weatherization program.

11:41:14 He will talk about some of the expansions in your

11:41:16 listing you have, where they have expanded some of

11:41:18 those programs to include additional weatherization

11:41:20 programs.

11:41:22 Number 9 was to establish a dedicated funding source.

11:41:26 And if you look at number 9, number 11 and number 12,

11:41:31 each of those really establish aggressive community

11:41:38 outreach program and operation program, marketing

11:41:40 program, and the various strategies, the thought

11:41:43 process here whereas TECO does have a bit of a

11:41:48 dedicated funding source, they do have money for that,

11:41:52 the thought was to expand that and to expand the

11:41:54 partnerships that we have.

11:41:55 Members of the TECO task force throughout the course of

11:41:57 the meeting said that they would be very interested in

11:42:00 participating in some of those partnerships.

11:42:03 So we plan to expand that and to include and to really

11:42:05 involve some of those members as well as other

11:42:07 partnerships in the community to really work on

11:42:09 outreach and marketing and identifying other kinds of

11:42:13 programs where there's a person to person outreach or

11:42:16 through a church, we'll need a number of people to

11:42:21 participate in those programs.

11:42:25 Item number 0 to go back for a second talks about

11:42:28 trees.

11:42:29 And how the city and TECO work together to make sure

11:42:32 that trees are treated with a greater sensitivity.

11:42:38 We have had some recent successes on that, and the

11:42:41 Parks Department has gone out on a numerous occasions

11:42:43 over the past few months meeting with TECO and helping

11:42:46 to explain a bit of a better trimming process which

11:42:50 they have done.

11:42:51 Parks Department has gone out a number of times.

11:42:57 Also recently on Tampa Bay Boulevard they made a

11:43:00 decision to underground the power lines which was a

11:43:02 very big deal.

11:43:04 It saved a lot of trees.

11:43:05 They didn't have to bother trimming so they went

11:43:07 underground.

11:43:08 Only trimming what was necessary.

11:43:09 But again, not to act like everything -- that's not

11:43:15 more work to do, because there is, it's an ongoing very

11:43:19 dynamic process that wave to continue the communication

11:43:23 process in order to continue to make that happen.

11:43:25 I am going to go ahead up to item 13.

11:43:38 Which talks about selecting a not-for-profit to with

11:43:41 the start-up of the low income energy retrofit program

11:43:45 that would mimic "Paint Your Heart Out" program.

11:43:47 The reality is the "Paint Your Heart Out" program is

11:43:50 funded exclusively by not for profit that put that

11:43:53 together and takes the burden to organize everybody to

11:43:55 participate in that program.

11:43:58 And we see the opportunity there to engage additional

11:44:00 members of the task force or their community partners

11:44:03 to make those kinds of things happen and to identify

11:44:07 where you can reach a higher percentage of the homes

11:44:09 and businesses to participate in weatherization.

11:44:14 Again, this has a lot to do with education.

11:44:15 You are going to find an educational marketing outreach

11:44:20 theme in a number of these recommendations as you take

11:44:22 a look at them.

11:44:24 In, number 14 recommendation had to do with

11:44:29 establishing neighborhood energy or sustainability road

11:44:32 show, for lack of a better term.

11:44:34 We didn't know really what to call it, and

11:44:37 sustainability fair, perhaps celebrating earth day more

11:44:40 than once a year, where you bring together the City of

11:44:42 Tampa, local environmental partners, TECO, and you are

11:44:46 talking about best practices, energy savings programs,

11:44:52 conservation programs, environmental programs, bringing

11:44:56 that message literally on the road to schools, to

11:44:58 different parks, different organizations, neighborhood

11:45:01 fairs at the county, things like that.

11:45:04 And we really are looking at that thing that will take

11:45:07 a number of individual community partners to help that

11:45:12 whole process come along.

11:45:13 We have some ideas we are working with now and

11:45:17 hopefully would involve the school board as well as the

11:45:20 University of South Florida, and they recently

11:45:22 established sustainability department.

11:45:27 Item number 15 is an energy rebate program review task

11:45:32 force.

11:45:34 The purpose of the task force was to conduct an annual

11:45:37 review of various commercial and residential rebate

11:45:39 programs and how effective they were.

11:45:42 At the last meeting that the mayor had when the task

11:45:45 force recommendations were presented to the mayor, she

11:45:48 had asked this group if they would stay together.

11:45:51 I think it was unanimous although I didn't hear the

11:45:54 vote, that they would stay together and continue to do

11:45:56 that.

11:45:56 So that will be as we continue to meet with the task

11:46:01 force, this will be one of the chores that they will be

11:46:04 asked to do.

11:46:05 But I think what will happen as I mentioned, the focus

11:46:07 will shift away from creating recommendations and to

11:46:11 start to strategize implementation policies and how

11:46:14 they can take some of these implementation strategies

11:46:16 here that were identified by TECO and make them a

11:46:18 reality.

11:46:19 I think that's really the next step is to then go into

11:46:22 that phase where you start to drill down a little bit,

11:46:30 the implementation of the strategies.

11:46:45 The third category, recommendations to consider.

11:46:47 There were two here, and the realities that both of

11:46:50 these, the first one had to do with energy performance

11:46:53 contracting, and I just did mention we were engaged

11:46:56 with Johnson controls.

11:46:57 They looked at about a half dozen or eight of our

11:47:00 facilities in terms of what kind of energy savings, and

11:47:03 the energy performance contracting group could use to

11:47:07 improve the city's energy efficiencies and where they

11:47:09 could squeeze that last dime from environmental as well

11:47:15 as economic benefit.

11:47:16 Item 17 had to do with creating energy savings web port

11:47:19 on the City of Tampa's Web site.

11:47:20 Currently the city does have a green web page.

11:47:24 But the focus of that page tends to be a little more

11:47:27 newsworthy, what the city is trying to do, some of the

11:47:30 programs that exist out there.

11:47:32 The notion here was to tab that portal and either

11:47:35 really enhance and expand upon it or to create its own

11:47:38 web page, it talked specifically about the savings, the

11:47:41 rebates, the energy potentials that better were out in

11:47:44 the community and how you can take advantage of them, a

11:47:47 little bit more of a how to do XYZ versus just the

11:47:51 information being offered.

11:47:52 A little more instructional.

11:47:53 And we are going to work on that as well.

11:48:00 The last category had to do with further study.

11:48:18 And each of those three categories revolved -- and each

11:48:24 one of those recommendations specifically speaks to

11:48:26 funding sources and different programs, but it still

11:48:29 comes down to whether or not you are going to be able

11:48:30 to identify a funding source.

11:48:32 We were very encouraged when the legislation passes,

11:48:39 the state legislation.

11:48:41 We are we were very excited and remained that way until

11:48:44 about two months ago, three months ago, when flab

11:48:47 housing finance association said that they would not

11:48:50 allow Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac in front of the

11:49:00 mortgage.

11:49:00 Up until that time you had a enough of municipalities,

11:49:03 Tampa included.

11:49:03 I was working westbound our finance director and

11:49:06 development director, they were very excited about this

11:49:09 program, they thought it had a real opportunity to do a

11:49:11 lot of really good not only energy savings programs and

11:49:14 weatherization programs but economic development

11:49:15 programs in terms of jobs as well.

11:49:18 Until that gets resolved, I think the city is obviously

11:49:21 looking for other financing opportunities that are out

11:49:25 there, but they still hold out that there was

11:49:28 discussion at the federal level to pass legislation

11:49:33 that would allow the loans to be placed in front of

11:49:36 them.

11:49:36 And I'm not sure exactly the status of that at this

11:49:40 point but I can find out for you the incomes next time

11:49:43 I speak with you; the second one had to do with a low

11:49:47 energy repayment loan.

11:49:49 It's about identifying perhaps a third party, which

11:49:53 again difficult to finance, to find funding sources.

11:49:58 We are always looking for places where you can have

11:50:01 somebody stroke the check, so to speak, in order to do

11:50:05 that, and the structure that you put together in order

11:50:07 to regain that money, keep that funding pool alive is

11:50:13 always something we are very interested in doing.

11:50:15 But again, these programs hear are for further study

11:50:19 until the funding sources clear up and the legislation

11:50:22 clears up in terms of what can and can't be used.

11:50:26 We'll just have to keep an eye on those items.

11:50:31 That is a very quick presentation of what's going on.

11:50:33 You do have in your packet the list, this matrix,

11:50:39 members of the TECO corporation put that together for

11:50:41 us, and basically had to do with what they could bring

11:50:45 to the table.

11:50:46 And then our next step will be to reconvene with the

11:50:49 task force and start to really look at these

11:50:51 implementation strategies, or these implementation

11:50:55 proposals that TECO has had, marry them with what the

11:50:59 city can doing and tie them into additional

11:51:02 partnerships and start to craft an implementation

11:51:04 program to execute these things.

11:51:07 And I'll take questions if you have them.

11:51:09 Otherwise, I would like to introduce Mr. Gordon

11:51:13 Gillette, the president of TECO.

11:51:14 He was here last time.

11:51:15 I want to thank him again personally for coming back to

11:51:18 address council.

11:51:19 And Gordon?

11:51:34 >> I'm Gordon Gillette, president of Tampa Electric and

11:51:37 peoples gas, business address 702 North Franklin

11:51:40 Street.

11:51:41 Council members, thank you very much for giving us the

11:51:42 opportunity again to talk a little bit about the

11:51:45 interaction that we have had between TECO and the

11:51:48 mayor's citizens conservation task force.

11:51:50 With me today from TECO are Bruce Narsisenthel,

11:51:59 Customer Care; Stephani Agliano who has many of you

11:52:02 know is our community relations person, and was also a

11:52:06 member of the citizens task force on conservation.

11:52:11 Also with us are Tim Richardson who works in the

11:52:16 management part of our regulatory affairs department,

11:52:19 and Rick Morero, manager of media and public relations.

11:52:23 We have been very happy to be part of the mayor's

11:52:24 conservation task force, and to have another

11:52:27 opportunity to brief you on Tampa Electric, peoples gas

11:52:32 efforts to collaborate with that task force.

11:52:34 We thank the mayor for her vision in assembling the

11:52:39 task force.

11:52:40 And we thank the task force, some of the members are

11:52:43 here today, for their ideas and effort in this process.

11:52:47 And we thank the City Council for your interest in

11:52:51 energy issues including renewable energy conservation,

11:52:54 sustainability.

11:52:56 At TECO, we have effectively had two activities that

11:52:59 have been ongoing on parallel paths.

11:53:03 As the mayor's task force was moving forward the

11:53:05 utilities in Florida including Tampa Electric have been

11:53:08 engaged in their once every five-year update of their

11:53:12 conservation programs and goals before the in a Public

11:53:16 Service Commission in compliance with the flab energy

11:53:19 efficiency and conservation act.

11:53:22 A week after the recommendations of the task force came

11:53:24 out in March, Tampa Electric submitted enhanced and new

11:53:31 proposed conservation programs to the Florida

11:53:33 commission for approval.

11:53:37 In April, peoples gas did the same.

11:53:39 And I am going to show a slide here.

11:53:47 As you can see from this slide, and if you can't see on

11:53:55 the screen, it's in your package as well.

11:54:00 Tampa Electric and peoples gas made some very

11:54:02 significant upgrades to their conservation programs.

11:54:09 And proposed some new renewable energy programs.

11:54:13 You can see on the list here that there were ten

11:54:16 renewable and conservation programs that were brand

11:54:20 new, and then several programs were enhanced in terms

11:54:23 of their incentives, both on the electric and the gas

11:54:26 side of our business.

11:54:29 We are also the only investor owned utility in the

11:54:31 state that has a tariff that allows customers to buy

11:54:34 energy that comes exclusively from renewable sources.

11:54:40 Both before and after the recent filings that we made,

11:54:42 Tampa Electric offered more conservation programs than

11:54:46 any of the other investor-owned utilities in the state.

11:54:49 All of our proposed programs were discussed at the

11:54:53 Florida public service agenda conference on September

11:54:57 14th.

11:54:57 At the agenda conference, the commission approved

11:55:00 peoples gas programs, but in the case of the electric

11:55:05 utilities, in the Tate for the investor-owned

11:55:09 companies, the commission asked that we make some minor

11:55:11 changes to our five-year plans for implementation.

11:55:15 As a result of that, the implementation of the programs

11:55:17 is going to be pushed back a little bit.

11:55:19 We expected that they would be approved in August and

11:55:22 implemented by October.

11:55:24 Now we are expecting with these changes that we are

11:55:27 submitting to the programs that they will be approved

11:55:29 in December and implemented by February.

11:55:33 Of this year

11:55:38 The timing of these two parallel efforts, the mayor's

11:55:43 task force and our conservation programs filing, was

11:55:46 very positive for us at TECO, and that it allowed Tampa

11:55:49 Electric and peoples gas to get some community input

11:55:52 and feedback while we were in the process of putting

11:55:56 together our conservation programs.

11:55:59 Again, we thank the mayor, the City Council and the

11:56:01 task force and the city staff for this great

11:56:03 opportunity to get community input.

11:56:06 I would add that it was a great opportunity for us to

11:56:09 learn some of the good things that the city is doing in

11:56:11 the area of building codes and efficiency standards and

11:56:14 some of the things that the city is doing on its own

11:56:16 facilities to demonstrate sustainability as well.

11:56:21 Thom Snelling presented you -- to you a minute ago a

11:56:25 quick run-through of the 20 recommendations of the

11:56:27 mayor's task force.

11:56:30 We have been very pleased to have the opportunity to

11:56:32 work closely with the city staff, both before and after

11:56:35 the development of the task force recommendations to

11:56:38 come up with things that we at TECO can do to support

11:56:42 and collaborate in response to the task force

11:56:46 recommendations.

11:56:46 In fact, we identified things that we can do to enhance

11:56:49 what we have been doing and/or will do in the future in

11:56:52 collaborative fashion with the city on virtually all of

11:56:55 the 20 recommendations.

11:56:57 And you have a detailed summary both the programs that

11:57:00 we submitted and the things that TECO plans to do to

11:57:06 collaborate with the city and your package.

11:57:09 This slide shows just a few examples of some of the

11:57:12 things that we are doing and/or will do in the future

11:57:15 to collaborate with the city on some of the key

11:57:21 recommendations of the task force.

11:57:22 It shows three of the many areas we found great

11:57:25 alignment with the task force on, and those areas are

11:57:27 renewable energy, enhanced low income weatherization,

11:57:31 and energy education.

11:57:33 Under renewable energy the task force recommended

11:57:35 encouraging the expansion of solar thermal water

11:57:39 heating and solar programs for residential and

11:57:44 commercial customers.

11:57:45 Our march conservation program update filing under

11:57:48 FEECA includes a solar water heating program for

11:57:52 residential customers that will provide $1,000 in

11:57:57 rebates to customers that install solar water heating.

11:58:02 In addition, we propose a brand new residential and

11:58:04 commercial photo volume take program that will provide

11:58:10 commerce with a $2 per watt incentive for the

11:58:15 installation of photo VOLTAIC, and the installation of

11:58:28 photoVOLTAIC arrays, a backup.

11:58:40 In the area of enhanced low income weatherization

11:58:43 program the task force recommended the expansion of our

11:58:45 current program and recommended we develop a

11:58:47 neighborhood energy audit weatherization roll-out

11:58:51 program.

11:58:52 In response, we propose expansion of our low income

11:58:58 weatherization program to include free standardized

11:59:01 installation and duct repair intelligence compact

11:59:04 fluorescent lighting.

11:59:05 In addition, in response to the recommendation our

11:59:11 enhanced weatherization program is designed to include

11:59:13 now entire low income neighborhoods.

11:59:17 Instead of what we did in the past where we qualified

11:59:20 individual customers for this program, we have

11:59:23 requested the ability to apply for four neighborhoods

11:59:30 all at once.

11:59:31 Based on census and city economic data.

11:59:34 Our third example is energy education.

11:59:37 The task force recommended that we partner with the

11:59:41 city in efforts to expand our community education

11:59:43 programs and gain greater participation in our

11:59:46 conservation programs.

11:59:48 Based on this we plan to work jointly on things with

11:59:51 the city such as TV programming on city TV geared

11:59:56 towards conservation and renewable energy, and to link

11:59:59 the cities and TECO energy Web sites.

12:00:02 On our Web sites we have such things as energy

12:00:04 calculator, rebate information, energy saving tips, and

12:00:08 we are adding a carbon footprint calculation as well to

12:00:11 our Web site.

12:00:12 The task force also recommended that we develop a

12:00:15 neighborhood energy sustainability road show to help in

12:00:19 education efforts.

12:00:21 Part of what we are asking the Florida Public Service

12:00:22 Commission to approve is funding for an energy

12:00:26 education outreach program which will include both

12:00:29 public education and energy awareness.

12:00:32 This program is designed to promote energy efficiency

12:00:34 through local school systems, civic organizations,

12:00:38 churches an homeowners associations.

12:00:41 Also, again these are examples of some of the areas

12:00:46 where we see significant room for collaboration with

12:00:50 the city, and we receive great input from the task

12:00:53 force.

12:00:55 There are other examples where we use the task force's

12:00:58 recommendations to develop our conservation programs.

12:01:02 Provided that we get in a service commission approval

12:01:05 of these programs we would expect to have funding for

12:01:07 these programs by February of next year.

12:01:14 We are very proud to be part of the city, the city and

12:01:22 peoples gas have common interest obviously in providing

12:01:24 services to our community.

12:01:27 At Tampa Electric we provide utility services to 17

12:01:29 different communities in west central Florida, at

12:01:33 peoples gas we provide service to 200 communities, in

12:01:37 37 counties throughout Florida.

12:01:40 Tampa is extremely important to us.

12:01:41 Tampa is our home.

12:01:43 Tampa is where we provided utility service at Tampa

12:01:48 Electric for 110 years and at people's gas for 115

12:01:51 years.

12:01:52 With the task force work and recommendation and our

12:01:56 newly updated conservation programs we have

12:01:58 accomplished a great deal working together.

12:02:01 Now, I do think that we have accomplished everything

12:02:03 that we can accomplish?

12:02:04 I would say absolutely not.

12:02:06 There's an awful lot changing in our local economy.

12:02:10 There's an awful lot changing in the energy industry.

12:02:13 And I think we are going to have to be constantly

12:02:15 working together with the community to do the very best

12:02:18 thing.

12:02:22 Our local community wants to do this, and we want to do

12:02:26 it as a company.

12:02:27 And as we continue our discussion was the city staff,

12:02:33 and the mayor, the mayor is has suggested, for

12:02:37 instance, that some of the other things we might be

12:02:39 able to do are more in the area of education, actually

12:02:45 adopting an energy sustainability program, and at a

12:02:51 Hillsborough County school and also doing energy audits

12:02:53 for some of the houses that heir painted in "Paint Your

12:02:55 Heart Out."

12:02:57 In addition, when I was with you last, we were very

12:02:59 interested in talking to the city about some of the

12:03:01 things we are doing in other communities to put natural

12:03:04 gas into fleet vehicles as a fuel.

12:03:08 And we are very interested in electric and hybrid

12:03:10 electric vehicles.

12:03:11 We are continuing to look to make our electric grid

12:03:14 smarter and looking at the potential for LED lighting

12:03:19 for outdoors.

12:03:20 So there's much that we can do in the future.

12:03:22 I think we have come a long way with these task force

12:03:24 recommendations.

12:03:25 But we look forward to continuing to collaborate in the

12:03:28 future.

12:03:29 Thank you.

12:03:30 That concludes my remarks.

12:03:31 >>GWEN MILLER: Ms. Mulhern?

12:03:35 >>MARY MULHERN: Yeah, I want to thank TECO. Can I

12:03:40 call you TECO?

12:03:44 >> That's fine.

12:03:45 >>MARY MULHERN: For working with the task force and

12:03:48 really implementing a lot.

12:03:50 When we looked through this list, I think -- is this a

12:03:54 task force will list in.

12:03:56 >> On the left-hand side are the task force

12:03:58 recommendations.

12:03:58 And then on the right-hand side are the things that we

12:04:00 worked with.

12:04:04 >>MARY MULHERN: I'm trying to figure out.

12:04:05 We have these three gray areas.

12:04:09 Is this from you guys?

12:04:10 >> Yes.

12:04:11 We prepared that in collaboration westbound city staff

12:04:13 and basically what's on the right hand column are what

12:04:18 we committed to do.

12:04:19 >> What you are implementing.

12:04:20 It looks good.

12:04:21 And I'm thrilled that you are doing this.

12:04:26 I wish I could afford to put solar panels on my house.

12:04:31 But I appreciate your working with them.

12:04:34 >> Well, thank you very much.

12:04:36 It's been very helpful for us as well.

12:04:38 Thank you very much, task force members.

12:04:39 >>MARY MULHERN: Hopefully we'll hear from the task

12:04:44 force before we are done.

12:04:50 >>CHAIRMAN: Council members, it's after 12:00.

12:04:52 Do you want to continue on?

12:04:56 We will go to public comments.

12:04:57 Anyone in the public like to speak?

12:04:58 >> Good afternoon.

12:05:11 CJ Reynolds, 1204 Clifton street, Sunshine State

12:05:16 strategies and member of the task force.

12:05:18 I want to first give some of the persons great thanks

12:05:23 to the work that has been done so far.

12:05:24 The task force last Meg met in March with the prayer to

12:05:29 provide a recommendation so the work that has been done

12:05:31 between now and then is directly with the work of TECO

12:05:35 and the mayor and the city staff in that regard.

12:05:38 So we are now as a task force just getting this

12:05:41 information as you are.

12:05:42 So I won't comment on those things that are in there

12:05:44 but to say that this definitely progress.

12:05:50 This is a good sign.

12:05:52 If only we were in 1998 instead of 2010.

12:05:56 But we still have a lot of work to do but I want to

12:05:58 commend the leadership of Mr. Gillette and taking on

12:06:01 some of the actions they have done.

12:06:02 Way do think that the City Council should ask for,

12:06:05 however, is a detailed budgetary update from the city

12:06:08 itself.

12:06:09 One of the things that the task force last asked for

12:06:12 was a summary of the electricity bill.

12:06:15 Where is Charlie?

12:06:16 He would love to hear this.

12:06:17 This is specifically what we wanted to nobody,

12:06:20 department by department, building by building.

12:06:22 We wanted to see an integrated assessment.

12:06:26 Energy expenditure and bills by department to be able

12:06:28 to help the city better plan and better a he is sees

12:06:32 and direct its improvements for -- assess and direct

12:06:36 its improvements for the future.

12:06:38 It benefits the city, all residents, to reduce our

12:06:40 energy expenses, and I understand that there is some

12:06:42 work being done in that regard.

12:06:44 But I would ask you to ask for that for your next

12:06:47 meeting on conservation.

12:06:49 You probably heard a lot of fuzzy words about education

12:06:51 and outreach.

12:06:53 Who is going to do this?

12:06:54 Where is the money going to come from?

12:06:56 What kind of accountability will there be?

12:06:59 These are key questions that need to be defined and the

12:07:04 task force and city need to be reengaged as quickly as

12:07:08 possible.

12:07:08 Summer is over.

12:07:09 We have to get back to school.

12:07:10 So thank you for your ongoing commitment to look at

12:07:13 this and ask the questions.

12:07:14 We appreciate your continued focus on some of these key

12:07:18 issues that face all of us.

12:07:19 Thank you.

12:07:19 >>GWEN MILLER: Would anyone else like to speak?

12:07:22 >> Good afternoon, council.

12:07:30 I'm Dina Lovingood. I live at 3007 west Chaffin here

12:07:38 in Tampa.

12:07:39 CJ pretty much said what a lot of us have done in the

12:07:42 task force up to now.

12:07:43 And we would like to remind you that, in fact, we

12:07:47 really appreciate involving the community in the

12:07:49 discussion.

12:07:51 I'm a community advocate and was one of the community

12:07:55 advocates on the task force.

12:07:56 We really do need to integrate this into everyday on

12:07:59 the street programs to make it more meaningful for

12:08:01 everyone who lives here.

12:08:02 And we particularly appreciate the city trying to make

12:08:05 some changes.

12:08:06 We also recommend that you look at some of our

12:08:08 neighboring counties and cities who are working on a

12:08:11 lot of these issues, and in St. Pete, Pinellas County,

12:08:15 really has an initiative that's a lot further along

12:08:17 than we are.

12:08:18 And we could look at them as models and get some other

12:08:22 ideas of things that we can do.

12:08:23 So as CJ said, it is a great beginning.

12:08:26 We appreciate everybody's support, the City Council's

12:08:28 support, and TECO's support, and we really do

12:08:33 appreciate that the mayor has initiated this H.we see a

12:08:36 lot of work still to happen and a lot of work to do.

12:08:39 But thank you very much for getting started.

12:08:40 >>GWEN MILLER: Thank you.

12:08:42 Mr. Snelling?

12:08:43 >> Questions?

12:08:56 >>GWEN MILLER: Ms. Mulhern.

12:08:57 >> I was this close.

12:08:59 >>MARY MULHERN: Yeah, I was this close, but I just

12:09:02 have a couple of questions.

12:09:03 >> I would be disappointed, Councilwoman, if you

12:09:06 didn't.

12:09:07 [ Laughter ]

12:09:09 >>MARY MULHERN: I don't know where it is on this list

12:09:11 of recommendations.

12:09:12 But the greenhouse gas -- I know it's on here.

12:09:18 Do you know what number it is?

12:09:21 >>THOM SNELLING: If you look on the actual

12:09:22 recommendation sheet itself in this booklet,

12:09:26 Councilwoman?

12:09:27 If you look on there, that's where it originally came

12:09:29 through.

12:09:30 On page 2.

12:09:31 >>MARY MULHERN: Okay.

12:09:32 Where are we with that?

12:09:35 >>THOM SNELLING: We went through the RFP process.

12:09:37 We selected an engineering firm to do it.

12:09:41 Last week in council you approved the resolution for

12:09:43 $53,000 to sign the contract and do that.

12:09:48 You have approved it.

12:09:49 We issued the P.O. this morning.

12:09:52 With Buckley, Schuh Jurnigan.

12:09:56 We will start to craft out exactly the kind of data

12:09:59 they are going to need.

12:10:00 So we are moving through that process already.

12:10:02 We have a contract, and we have -- we selected a group

12:10:06 to do the study itself.

12:10:10 >> I probably voted for that last week, but I do want

12:10:12 to point out that we could have done that -- well, we

12:10:16 could have done it anytime, but I know the city of

12:10:21 Clearwater, and I think St. Pete has already done it,

12:10:24 and we could have done that probably at no cost, and

12:10:29 I'm sorry that we had to pay for it.

12:10:33 On the actions of programs, and I think this sheet came

12:10:36 from TECO, but number 3.

12:10:42 I think this task force, they spent a lot of time and

12:10:45 gave a lot of effort to this, and it was a result of

12:10:50 the fact that they weren't thrilled with our franchise

12:10:53 agreement, which the city and TECO reached, and this

12:10:58 was supposed to be an answer to some of their

12:11:04 questions.

12:11:04 And it looks to me like TECO has made a pretty good

12:11:10 effort, but I'm disappointed in what the city is doing.

12:11:13 Number 3, that the city -- this is very modest -- we

12:11:17 should be a leader in energy efficient facilities and

12:11:21 select one of our buildings as a high profile

12:11:24 demonstration project.

12:11:25 Have we done that?

12:11:26 Just one building that we could say we are going to

12:11:30 make it a model?

12:11:32 >>THOM SNELLING: I want to go back to the idea of the

12:11:37 energy management systems.

12:11:40 The most up-to-date, most state-of-the-art facility,

12:11:45 going into TPD and Tampa fire and rescue, we also have

12:11:49 other programs we are using to spend some money for

12:11:56 retrofitting the Tampa fire station downtown as well as

12:11:58 some of the stimulus dollars with their garages, some

12:12:01 of their lighting upgrades.

12:12:05 So that could be the building that gets selected

12:12:07 because we do have the baseline, we have some of the

12:12:09 information, we know what their energy use is through

12:12:13 the conservation committee, we do know what their

12:12:15 current use is, and fuel and water usage at that

12:12:19 station.

12:12:20 It's a matter of identifying the buildings, saying here

12:12:22 is where it is, and this is what will happen.

12:12:25 >> And we haven't picked --

12:12:26 >> We haven't selected an actual building but there are

12:12:29 candidates out there, I guess is what I am saying.

12:12:32 >>MARY MULHERN: And then number 16.

12:12:39 Maybe this is something we approved, too, in the last

12:12:41 meeting.

12:12:42 But the performance contracting in.

12:12:47 >>> That's basically working -- and we do -- are

12:12:50 working with Johnson controls on that, and they have

12:12:52 already -- they have been working with us for a number

12:12:55 of months now, and I had that list here.

12:13:01 Currently they have already met with the departments or

12:13:04 divisions for the water department including the

12:13:06 treatment facility, Tampa Convention Center, fleet

12:13:08 maintenance facilities, parking division, parks and rec

12:13:12 department.

12:13:13 They are going through and identifying how they

12:13:17 currently do their operations, the system they have in

12:13:19 place, and they'll move through the entire city with

12:13:22 the major facilities and departments and they will then

12:13:26 turn around and say you can make improvements in this

12:13:28 fashion, and once the city has that information they'll

12:13:32 make a determination whether to enter into a contract,

12:13:34 to implement the rest of their proposals, or they just

12:13:40 have to wait to see what comes back from Johnson

12:13:42 control.

12:13:42 But that's been underway for a few months now.

12:13:44 >> That was underway in the last administration.

12:13:46 I don't know if it was Johnson controls, but somebody

12:13:49 had actually been awarded a bid to do that for the

12:13:52 city.

12:13:53 And here we are eight years later in the exact same

12:13:59 position.

12:13:59 We are going to have another administration.

12:14:01 And maybe in another eight years are we going to be --

12:14:04 I mean --

12:14:07 >>> The exact details of that, I don't have the exact

12:14:09 details of how the contract and the memorandum of

12:14:12 understanding has been crafted.

12:14:14 My understanding right now is that the difference is

12:14:16 that we have allowed them to include a broader brush

12:14:21 for a more narrow scope and by allowing them to include

12:14:25 more and more, this gives them an opportunity to take

12:14:27 advantage of things as you spread them out versus very

12:14:31 concentrated two or three facilities.

12:14:33 >> Okay.

12:14:35 Thanks.

12:14:40 >>THOM SNELLING: I would also like to thank members of

12:14:42 the task force that took time out of their day, Maggie,

12:14:45 CJ, Tina, I appreciate them coming down.

12:14:51 >> I have one question.

12:14:59 What was that amount?

12:15:05 >>> For the greenhouse gas -- it was for $53,000, and

12:15:08 for the three installations at the three energy

12:15:10 management systems, it was a little over a million

12:15:11 dollars.

12:15:12 That was just done by council last Thursday.

12:15:24 And all that money is stimulus money.

12:15:26 Council, thank you for your time.

12:15:28 >>GWEN MILLER: I thank TECO for coming and we

12:15:32 appreciate the work the committee has done to look at

12:15:36 the things you say we need to do.

12:15:38 Item number 6.

12:15:39 Ms. Cole, we are going to continue that one to the next

12:15:42 workshop.

12:15:43 Is that okay?

12:15:49 >>JULIA COLE: Legal department.

12:15:51 I mean, that's fine, and we can go ahead and do that.

12:15:53 Your next workshop I think is very filled up.

12:15:56 The following workshop I think is not until after the

12:15:59 first of the year.

12:16:02 And I don't have any problem with that as well.

12:16:05 What we'll do is we'll bring this back to you in

12:16:07 ordinance form and we should have more information at

12:16:09 that point in time as to moving forward with the

12:16:13 technology portion of this.

12:16:14 >> Unless you all want to handle it under a staff

12:16:20 report at an earlier meeting.

12:16:21 >>GWEN MILLER: I would be okay with the next workshop,

12:16:25 the 27th of January.

12:16:26 >> That is an awful long time.

12:16:32 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Council, I think the sooner we

12:16:36 discuss this, it will address a lot of concerns that

12:16:39 council faced.

12:16:40 >>CHARLES FLETCHER: It addresses the Channelside issue

12:16:45 and also some issues related to how the neighborhood

12:16:48 association work that you heard earlier today as part

12:16:52 of the historic preservation discussion, obviously in a

12:16:54 different context.

12:16:55 >>GWEN MILLER: Is there a regular meeting day that we

12:16:57 can discuss it then?

12:17:00 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Did you want to bring it back in

12:17:02 ordinance form or not?

12:17:04 >>CHARLES FLETCHER: I think staff report to make sure

12:17:06 that what we put together is consistent with what

12:17:08 council would like before we bring it back on a first

12:17:10 reading.

12:17:11 >>MARTIN SHELBY: The next regular meeting is October

12:17:15 7th.

12:17:16 After that you have October 21st.

12:17:19 The 21st only has two staff reports.

12:17:21 >>GWEN MILLER: What about the 21st?

12:17:25 >> That would be perfect.

12:17:26 >>GWEN MILLER: We have a motion and second.

12:17:29 All in favor?

12:17:31 Opposed?

12:17:34 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Thank you.

12:17:40 Madam Chair, Chairman Scott has asked me to inform the

12:17:46 public that the City Council is hosting three public

12:17:50 information meetings regarding transit and

12:17:52 transportation initiatives and improvements.

12:17:55 The meetings will be held at City of Tampa parks and

12:17:58 recreation facilities throughout the community during

12:18:00 the during the month of October

12:18:02 All meetings will take place from 6:00 to 8:00 p.m. in

12:18:06 the following locations.

12:18:06 The first one, council, is coming up this coming

12:18:09 Tuesday, October 5th, 2010, again from 6 to 8 p.m.

12:18:15 in the north Tampa university area at Copeland park,

12:18:18 11001 north 15th street.

12:18:22 Again, that's this coming Tuesday, October 5th,

12:18:25 2010.

12:18:26 Two other ones are in the Westshore area on Tuesday,

12:18:31 October 12, 2010 at the Loretta Ingraham center, 1611

12:18:35 north Hubert Avenue

12:18:38 And the third one is to be held in the East Tampa area

12:18:41 on Tuesday, October 26th, 2010, at the Jackson

12:18:45 Heights NFL Yet Center at 3310 east Lake Avenue.

12:18:51 These meetings are for public information and

12:18:53 education.

12:18:55 Information will be presented followed by an

12:18:56 opportunity for questions from the public.

12:19:01 And no official action will be taken by the Tampa City

12:19:02 Council by these meetings.

12:19:03 Again the first meeting is coming up this Tuesday,

12:19:06 October 5th, 6 p.m. at Copeland park.

12:19:09 Thank you.

12:19:09 >>GWEN MILLER: Thank you.

12:19:10 Mr. Caetano.

12:19:13 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: New business, Madam Chairman.

12:19:14 I would like the land development department and legal

12:19:17 department to come back to council with a report on the

12:19:19 process for approval of windows for -- drive-northbound

12:19:24 windows for banks and restaurants.

12:19:26 I would like the to know what changes can be made to

12:19:32 streamline the process.

12:19:33 >>GWEN MILLER: I have to get a second.

12:19:36 >> Second.

12:19:37 >>GWEN MILLER: Motion and second.

12:19:38 All in favor?

12:19:40 Opposed?

12:19:41 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: At the earliest convenience.

12:19:48 Because I had talked to Ms. Cole about it.

12:19:50 >>GWEN MILLER: 30 days be okay?

12:19:55 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: That's fine.

12:19:57 We are still going to be here, right in.

12:19:59 >>GWEN MILLER: No.

12:20:00 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: I would like to have our finance

12:20:02 department come back to council with a report of

12:20:04 details of the amount of revenue collected from impact

12:20:06 fees by zone for the past two years.

12:20:09 Included in the report I would like to see how much is

12:20:11 collected, how much collected revenue has been spent.

12:20:14 Also in each zone.

12:20:16 Was revenue collected, spent in the immediate area?

12:20:19 Specifically can revenue be spent in an area not

12:20:22 impacted by the guys business paying the fees but

12:20:25 somewhere else in the zone?

12:20:26 And I have some specific questions about uses of these

12:20:29 fees for streetlights in the areas of some projects.

12:20:32 I would like to have this report for our next regular

12:20:35 council meeting, and staff could get with me on the

12:20:39 details.

12:20:40 I would appreciate that.

12:20:40 >> Second.

12:20:43 >>GWEN MILLER: Motion and second.

12:20:44 All in favor?

12:20:45 Nay?

12:20:46 >>MARTIN SHELBY: How long did you want staff for

12:20:49 there?

12:20:50 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: I said the next meeting.

12:20:51 If they need more time we will give them more time.

12:20:54 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Mr. Caetano, the next meeting is the

12:20:57 7th.

12:20:58 The next meeting -- and that's not enough time to get

12:21:02 even into the agenda.

12:21:03 The next regular meeting after that is the 21st of

12:21:05 October.

12:21:05 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: That's fine.

12:21:07 >>GWEN MILLER: Anything else, Mr. Caetano?

12:21:11 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: No.

12:21:13 >>GWEN MILLER: Ms. Capin?

12:21:15 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Thank you.

12:21:16 I would like to ask staff to report back to us for the

12:21:21 October 14 workshop on zoning code enforcement process

12:21:36 on what we will be working on the 14th, which is

12:21:41 chapter 27, alcoholic beverages.

12:21:46 >>MARTIN SHELBY: If I can understand.

12:21:51 What you are asking, are you asking for code

12:21:52 enforcement to be here for that workshop?

12:21:57 >>YVONNE CAPIN: The process.

12:21:57 What are the steps?

12:21:58 I understand there are steps for the process of code

12:22:02 enforcement.

12:22:04 I would like to have those steps -- a flow chart.

12:22:12 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Alcoholic beverage is not North

12:22:14 Carolina normally handled by the code enforcement so

12:22:16 the question would be how would that information be

12:22:18 presented to council?

12:22:19 Coal Coyle land development.

12:22:20 This comes from the conversation that Ms. Capin and I

12:22:23 had.

12:22:24 And we do have a protocol, a coordinated effort with

12:22:27 TPD, code enforcement, ourselves and ABT at the state

12:22:31 level, and she was asking for that outline of steps we

12:22:34 take for enforcement.

12:22:36 And I will be more than happy to provide that.

12:22:38 >>GWEN MILLER: Do you want a written report?

12:22:41 >>MARTIN SHELBY: In writing?

12:22:43 The flow chart?

12:22:48 >>YVONNE CAPIN: For the workshop.

12:22:49 So -- Cole Coyle we'll be discussing alcohol changes at

12:22:52 the workshop so I bring that for council as well.

12:22:57 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Thank you.

12:22:58 That's a motion.

12:22:59 >>GWEN MILLER: Motion and second.

12:23:00 All in favor?

12:23:01 Opposed?

12:23:02 Anything else?

12:23:03 >>YVONNE CAPIN: One more thing.

12:23:06 If you notice my purple-ping shirt.

12:23:10 Starting tomorrow is domestic violence awareness and

12:23:13 prevention month.

12:23:14 I serve on the board.

12:23:15 And I want everyone to know if you are interested, go

12:23:21 to the spring of Tampa Bay and they will let you know

12:23:27 what is being done so that we can help out on this

12:23:30 awareness month.

12:23:31 Thank you.

12:23:31 >>GWEN MILLER: Ms. Mulhern?

12:23:36 Mr. Stokes?

12:23:38 Motion to receive and file?

12:23:40 We need a motion to receive and file.

12:23:44 Motion and a second.

12:23:45 All in favor of the motion say Aye.

12:23:47 Opposed, Nay.

12:23:48 Ms. Coyle?

12:23:50 >>MARTIN SHELBY: There is one more issue.

12:23:52 >>CATHERINE COYLE: The chairman and I had spoken.

12:23:54 This text amendment cycle which we just discussed, we

12:23:56 are going to be discussing part of it on October

12:23:59 14th at the workshop.

12:24:00 This particular text amendment cycle has a lot of

12:24:03 amendments in it and I want to make sure that council

12:24:05 has adequate time to hear all the amendments so we do

12:24:08 have a couple pieces of that amendment cycle that are

12:24:11 large items.

12:24:12 One of them being the Seminole Heights amendments.

12:24:14 The other being the transit oriented development, item

12:24:19 amendment to the code.

12:24:20 We are asking from the 14th you have many workshops

12:24:24 scheduled for that day.

12:24:25 What I plan to do that day is talk about some of the

12:24:27 minor changes of the code.

12:24:29 A couple of the items that you have already discussed

12:24:31 in other sessions getting through those.

12:24:33 And then, if I could, the chair was inclined to grant

12:24:37 this as well.

12:24:38 December 9th is there is a night meeting.

12:24:41 And at 6:00.

12:24:42 And there are only five cases, I believe, scheduled for

12:24:45 that evening.

12:24:46 We could begin at 5:01 if you are so inclined, and we

12:24:49 could have been just that first hour for the workshop

12:24:51 to discuss those other amendments.

12:24:53 I want to make sure that there's adequate time for you

12:24:55 all to understand what the amendments are.

12:24:57 To get them in through this cycle.

12:25:00 We are anticipating, because it's such a large size

12:25:03 that it is, to get it through normally the six-month

12:25:05 course.

12:25:06 We are hoping to get it adopted by March prior to all

12:25:08 of you leaving, because a lot of these amendments, many

12:25:11 of you have worked on over the last couple years.

12:25:14 And some of you may be coming back.

12:25:16 [ Laughter ]

12:25:18 But the goal will be to have everything adopted by

12:25:21 March-so we will be asking for December 9th,

12:25:24 5:01 p.m. for the January 27th part 2 text

12:25:28 amendment cycle.

12:25:28 >>GWEN MILLER: We need a motion for that.

12:25:34 >>CATHERINE COYLE: I'm breaking it into it would be

12:25:36 pieces.

12:25:36 >>MARTIN SHELBY: And if I can, and I was speaking with

12:25:42 Ms. Coyle, I have clarified that the items such as the

12:25:46 community gardens and the alcoholic beverages will not

12:25:50 be moved from the October date.

12:25:51 So those will still be heard that date.

12:25:56 >>GWEN MILLER: We have a motion and second.

12:26:03 >>MARTIN SHELBY: December 9th at 5:01.

12:26:06 >>GWEN MILLER: All in favor? Opposed?

12:26:08 Thank you.

12:26:09 Anything else? We stand adjourned.

12:26:11 (City Council meeting adjourned).



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