TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
Thursday, September 30, 2010
9:00 a.m. work session
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>>THOMAS SCOTT: Tampa City Council will now come to
09:03:58 The chair will yield to the honorable Gwen Miller.
09:04:00 >>GWEN MILLER: It is my honor to introduce the guest
09:04:08 who will give the invocation.
09:04:09 This is one of the most modest people that I know.
09:04:14 This introduction will be quite short.
09:04:17 She is a 33-year-old employee currently serving as the
09:04:22 human rights investigator, now Community Affairs
09:04:25 She's also a member of Delta Sigma Theta sorority.
09:04:36 She made a mistake.
09:04:38 [ Laughter ]
09:04:38 And we ask you to stand for the invocation and pledge
09:04:42 of allegiance.
09:04:43 >> Good morning, everyone.
09:04:45 May we bow our heads, please?
09:04:52 O Lord, I pray that you fill us with the spirit of
09:04:55 wisdom this morning those whom we have entrusted.
09:05:03 Lord, I pray that they are able to promote the
09:05:09 well-being of all our citizens, and that our humble
09:05:12 efforts to right judgment be consistent guided by you
09:05:25 Lord, if there was doubt, in our concerns this morning,
09:05:30 I pray that you grant our officials your grace so that
09:05:33 they will always seek your will, for in the long run,
09:05:40 Lord, we all shall prosper from their course of action.
09:05:44 I ask these and all blessings in your precious name.
09:05:48 [ Pledge of Allegiance ]
09:06:09 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you very much.
09:06:12 Roll call.
09:06:12 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: Here.
09:06:16 >>GWEN MILLER: Here.
09:06:18 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Here.
09:06:19 >>MARY MULHERN: Here.
09:06:21 >>CURTIS STOKES: Here.
09:06:21 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Here.
09:06:24 Just a few things.
09:06:25 We have a letter or memorandum from councilman Capin,
09:06:30 due to an event that I am attended on September 30, I
09:06:36 may be late arriving at the City Council meeting.
09:06:39 All right.
09:06:39 So we read it as she enters
09:06:42 The introduction.
09:06:46 Secondly, on our budget hearing that we had on Tuesday
09:06:49 night, a memorandum that we did not put into the record
09:06:53 for councilman Stokes, but I do have a day it was sent
09:07:02 to us for Tuesday September 28.
09:07:05 He was out of town so I want to make sure we add this
09:07:08 to this agenda, to this record.
09:07:10 Also, council, I want to remind you that I had the
09:07:14 clerk to forward to you again a memorandum that when
09:07:16 you are out, or you are going to be late, that you
09:07:19 submit to the clerk and to the chair a letter, or pro
09:07:28 tem Mr. Miranda, and this is something that we
09:07:32 discussed several months ago.
09:07:34 So I want to again remind you that when you are out, or
09:07:37 there is a situation where you aren't going to be in
09:07:40 attendance, that you send that not only to me but to
09:07:42 the clerk, and I suggest to all other council persons.
09:07:47 My habit for 14 years is when I am going to be out, it
09:07:50 went to everybody so that everybody knows I am not
09:07:52 going to be here.
09:07:55 So if someone forget it can be raised.
09:07:58 Thank you very much.
09:07:59 At this time I will yield to Councilwoman Miller.
09:08:17 >>GWEN MILLER: This be morning we are going to
09:08:18 recognize our Officer of the Month, Harry Augello, and
09:08:24 I am going to turn it over to Chief Castor to tell you
09:08:27 why he is Officer of the Month.
09:08:29 >> Chief Jane Castor: Good morning.
09:08:32 It's my distinct honor to bring to you Harry Augello.
09:08:38 Harry, even though he's only been with the Tampa Police
09:08:40 Department for five years he came to us as a seasoned
09:08:43 investigator and police officer from another agency and
09:08:46 he has done an amazing job.
09:08:48 He's assigned to the district one detective latent
09:08:52 detective squad and works the Westshore corridor in
09:08:55 that area.
09:08:56 And from November to May of '09 and 2010 we had a
09:09:01 series of jewelry store robberies in which the
09:09:04 individual would go in, he would talk the sales
09:09:08 personnel into showing him high end pieces of jewelry,
09:09:11 gold chains, and then he would run from the store with
09:09:14 We were unable to identify this be individual until
09:09:18 Harry went through some of those video clips and saw
09:09:22 that he was wearing a Wendy's uniform in one of those,
09:09:26 a shirt.
09:09:27 So he not on the only put these suspect photographs out
09:09:30 to other law enforcement agencies in the area, he
09:09:34 contacted Wendy's headquarters and Hillsborough that
09:09:37 displayed or shown to all the Wendy's managers and was
09:09:42 able to come up with a suspect who had actually been
09:09:44 fired from Wendy's some months earlier and obviously
09:09:48 failed to return his uniforms.
09:09:49 But Harry got that information, went out, put this be
09:09:53 individual under arrest.
09:09:55 He also found that he had pawned some of that jewelry
09:09:58 that had been stolen in Hillsborough County, so he also
09:10:03 cleared those offenses as well.
09:10:04 And then he had the prints on the suspect and cleared a
09:10:10 number of unrelated crimes as well.
09:10:13 So he did an outstanding job in this particular
09:10:15 incident and does an amazing job in keeping the
09:10:18 Westshore area crime-free in that particular area.
09:10:22 Also, I am going to embarrass him a little bit.
09:10:25 In May of last year we had the national law enforcement
09:10:29 memorial, and Harry was recognized.
09:10:31 They picked 12 officers, Officer of the Month for each
09:10:34 year on a national level, and Harry was recognized for
09:10:38 life saving efforts in the Tampa Bay area during that
09:10:42 event in D.C. and brought national recognition to the
09:10:47 Tampa Police Department.
09:10:48 So he does an amazing job day in and day out, not only
09:10:52 as a crime fighter but also as a liaison between the
09:10:54 business community and the Tampa Police Department.
09:10:58 So it's certainly my honor to recognize him as Officer
09:11:00 of the Month for September.
09:11:03 [ Applause ]
09:11:13 >>GWEN MILLER: On behalf of Tampa City Council I would
09:11:14 like to give this commendation that says everything she
09:11:18 just said.
09:11:18 The private sector is going to give you somebody
09:11:23 I am going to begin with Charlie's steak house.
09:11:25 >> Congratulations.
09:11:29 I'm from the flab aquarium
09:11:31 On behalf of Florida Aquarium, when you are not out
09:11:34 protecting our streets, if you have a chance to come
09:11:36 and enjoy some family fun, please enjoy the Florida
09:11:39 Aquarium for an entire year.
09:11:51 >> Danny Lewis from Bill Currie Ford.
09:12:05 We present you with this watch.
09:12:07 Once again, thanks.
09:12:08 >> Congratulations.
09:12:13 On behalf of Tampa police benevolent association a $100
09:12:19 gift certificate to be used anyway you want to.
09:12:21 >> These are not for you.
09:12:28 This is for your significant other.
09:12:30 And maybe your young man.
09:12:50 >> Steve Stickley representing Stepps towing, Todd and
09:12:56 Judy Stepp would like to offer you this statue for a
09:13:02 job well done.
09:13:02 We also have a gift certificate to Lee Roy Selmon
09:13:05 Enjoy it.
09:13:06 Thank you very much.
09:13:10 >> The Straz center, we appreciate our partnership with
09:13:16 the police department and congratulate you on this
09:13:18 wonderful honor.
09:13:19 And happy to have you here
09:13:39 >>STEVE MICHELINI: I don't want to blame it on traffic
09:13:41 or the rain but I will.
09:13:42 On behalf of Rigatoni's, we are happy to present you
09:13:46 with a gift certificate for your choice of lunch or
09:13:49 On behalf of Bern's steak house, we are providing you
09:13:53 with a $100 gift certificate so you can enjoy your
09:13:56 evening with your wife and your flowers.
09:14:00 Bryn Allen is going to provide you with a photographic
09:14:08 package for you and your family.
09:14:11 And we hope you enjoy yourself.
09:14:13 >>> I am absolutely speechless.
09:14:27 Thank you very much.
09:14:28 I appreciate everybody being here today.
09:14:30 And I just kind of look at it as doing the job I am
09:14:34 supposed to be doing.
09:14:35 I enjoy doing my job.
09:14:37 I love working for the City of Tampa.
09:14:39 It's the greatest place I have ever worked and I have
09:14:41 worked in other agencies before.
09:14:42 But I have some great leadership, and I really need to
09:14:46 recognize them as well.
09:14:47 Obviously Chief Castor, major Augello and the captain
09:14:54 for putting me in a position to proceed about something
09:14:58 I am very passionate about.
09:15:00 I thank you all.
09:15:01 [ Applause ]
09:15:28 >>GWEN MILLER: For the firefighter of the quarter, we
09:15:30 have the division chief.
09:15:42 Firefighter of the of the quarter.
09:15:47 >> Tom Forward, fire chief, Tampa fire.
09:15:50 It is my honor to present to you for this quarter our
09:15:56 firefighter of the quarter.
09:15:57 Tampa Fire Rescue is proud to recognize Jim Gary as our
09:16:04 firefighter of the quarter.
09:16:05 He has been with the City of Tampa for 29 years and
09:16:07 during his career he has risen through the ranks from
09:16:09 the rank of firefighter, paramedic, lieutenant,
09:16:12 captain, and now chief officer.
09:16:15 Chief Gary has chosen a very difficult task throughout
09:16:20 his career.
09:16:20 He has never chose ten easy road.
09:16:23 He has spent 15 years decorate captain of fire station
09:16:27 number one which is the City of Tampa's busiest fire
09:16:31 He has been a former member of the tactical medical
09:16:34 response team, also an instructor with the extrication
09:16:38 team and sat as a judge on the international extra
09:16:41 indication team as well.
09:16:42 Chief Gary is known as a firefighter's firefighter.
09:16:46 He has always been one of those that has espoused
09:16:50 formal education, and he has pushed and been an
09:16:54 advocate for formal education for many of our personnel
09:16:56 on the Tampa fire department.
09:16:58 He holds a masters degree in business administration
09:17:02 from the University of Tampa, and he is also the head
09:17:06 coordinator instructor for the program at Hillsborough
09:17:09 County community college.
09:17:11 Chief Gary has always been one of those persons that
09:17:14 has pushed forward education.
09:17:16 One distinct posture that he has done over the years,
09:17:21 in the late 80s, the department recognized the number
09:17:25 of paramedics in the station or those in the City of
09:17:33 The City of Tampa was underrepresented in
09:17:38 African-American paramedics.
09:17:40 Chief Gary instructed a group, a class of 13 paramedic
09:17:45 students in which six of those students were
09:17:47 African-Americans, and all of those African-American
09:17:49 students successfully passed the paramedic course and
09:17:53 were subsequently certified by the State of Florida.
09:17:57 I was one of those paramedics.
09:17:59 Chief Gary has done a great job.
09:18:04 But he has been unparalleled asset to Tampa Fire
09:18:08 He has absolutely been the epitome of instruction and a
09:18:12 true officer and respected firefighter, for not only
09:18:16 the City of Tampa, the State of Florida, but be the
09:18:20 fire fighting profession as a whole.
09:18:22 He is accomplished by his significant other TONI, and I
09:18:27 present Chief Gary as our firefighter of the quarter.
09:18:33 [ Applause ]
09:18:36 And Chief Gary, on behalf of City of Tampa fire rescue,
09:18:39 I would like to provide you this -- present you this
09:18:42 award, which is presented to Chief James Gary,
09:18:47 firefighter of the quarter for the fourth quarter,
09:18:53 September 30, 2010.
09:18:56 [ Applause ]
09:19:02 >>GWEN MILLER: On behalf of Tampa City Council I would
09:19:04 like to present you this commendation that says all the
09:19:06 good things that he just said about you.
09:19:08 And the private sector is going to give you some gift
09:19:11 I start with Charlie's steak house.
09:19:13 >>> Thank you very much.
09:19:14 >> Congratulations.
09:19:20 On behalf of Florida Aquarium an annual pass for four
09:19:23 to the Florida Aquarium.
09:19:32 >> Danny Lewis from Bill Currie Ford.
09:19:36 I'm honored to present you this watch from the Bill
09:19:38 Currie family.
09:19:44 You look like you have created a great fire department.
09:19:47 >>> Thanks very much.
09:19:48 I appreciate it.
09:19:54 >> Congratulations.
09:19:55 We hope to see you at the Straz center.
09:19:57 And I hope in retirement you will be coming often.
09:20:05 >> Steve Stickley representing Stepp's towing, Jim and
09:20:11 Judy Stepp.
09:20:12 We would like to offer this to you for a job well done.
09:20:20 Gift certificate to Lee Roy Selmons.
09:20:25 Thank you very much.
09:20:25 >>STEVE MICHELINI: Congratulations.
09:20:28 On behalf of Bryn Allen again, we have a photo package
09:20:31 for you and your family, Rigatoni's, your choice to
09:20:36 lunch or dinner, and Bern's steak house.
09:20:39 >>> I don't have a dozen roses for you but this will
09:20:50 say call the shop, we'll deliver it, have them do it
09:20:53 this afternoon.
09:20:53 You can hold it till Valentine's day and it's $75.
09:20:59 [ Laughter ]
09:21:01 >>> It's been a complete honor and privilege to serve
09:21:12 as a City of Tampa firefighter the last 30 years, in a
09:21:15 profession that I feel completely blessed to have had
09:21:17 the chance to serve the public in.
09:21:19 The experiences I have had, the brotherhood, the bonds
09:21:22 I made here at Tampa Fire Rescue are the experience of
09:21:26 my life.
09:21:27 I feel completely blessed to have had those, and to be
09:21:31 honored by my fellow brother firefighters, I'm very
09:21:35 And thank you very much.
09:21:37 [ Applause ]
09:21:45 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you very much.
09:21:46 Congratulations again.
09:21:57 We have our workshops all morning.
09:22:00 Our first workshop this be morning is relative to the
09:22:12 parking lots.
09:22:13 If you all can hold it down we would appreciate it very
09:22:31 >> Mike Callahan, Urban Design.
09:22:35 Council, on June 3rd, 2010, council directed to us
09:22:38 report back to you today on the city's current plans,
09:22:41 current rules governing surface and interim surface
09:22:45 parking lots in the central business district,
09:22:48 specifically how we can enhance those standards.
09:22:52 The issue quite simply is the appearance and
09:22:55 maintenance of our surface lots in the downtown core.
09:22:59 I think we can all agree that the appearance and the
09:23:01 maintenance of our lot in the downtown requires some
09:23:06 If I might, I would like to show you some current
09:23:09 conditions, visuals of the situation downtown, and I
09:23:14 want to say, it's not our intent to single anybody out
09:23:17 at this point.
09:23:17 I just want to show you some photographs throughout the
09:23:22 downtown area.
09:23:22 This shows surface parking lot on unmaintained, ADA is
09:23:28 not paved as required.
09:23:29 There's a number of situations where we have lack of
09:23:35 perimeter landscape and potholes throughout the parking
09:23:39 areas, just totally unmaintained parking area and our
09:23:45 perimeter corridor.
09:23:46 Again, in the unpaved conditions, just lack of
09:23:50 maintenance, lack of landscape, lack of trees.
09:23:53 But I want to say for everyone that we could find
09:23:57 that's bad, there are a few that I think meet the
09:24:02 One, some paved parking lots delineated spaces, trees,
09:24:09 maintenance in good condition.
09:24:10 Certainly there is a paradigm, a couple paradigms where
09:24:13 we have a strong perimeter landscape surrounding the
09:24:18 parking area and trees.
09:24:21 So based on your directive, here's what we have done to
09:24:30 We physically and visually surveyed most of the surface
09:24:34 lots in the central business district, approximately
09:24:36 119 of them, we created a spreadsheet for all the
09:24:40 conditions that we observed, and there's too much to go
09:24:42 through basically, who the property owners were.
09:24:47 This is private.
09:24:48 The streetscape improvement.
09:24:49 Interior improvements and so forth.
09:24:56 So we researched other cities throughout the country
09:24:59 and how they deal with surface parking lots and quite
09:25:03 frankly the empty lot syndrome and have documented our
09:25:07 We found, however, that the most practical standards to
09:25:10 emulate are the ones that we have recently implemented
09:25:13 in Ybor City.
09:25:15 It's just that the lots are much bigger in downtown
09:25:18 than Ybor.
09:25:19 We bounced our ideas off the downtown partnership, the
09:25:23 public realm committee.
09:25:27 But clearly the most effective way to improve our
09:25:29 parking areas is to enforce our zoning codes.
09:25:32 And our approach, based on our study, is to deal with
09:25:38 five areas, and simplify chapter 27-246 where we
09:25:44 eliminate the interim and the special use categories
09:25:47 for surface parking.
09:25:49 And then on these five areas, we would like to simplify
09:25:54 the code in this manner.
09:25:56 From the landscape perspective we would have a five
09:26:00 foot landscape perimeter.
09:26:01 We would have the interior landscaped areas waived.
09:26:07 All irrigation would conform to chapter 13 write is
09:26:10 your landscape code as well as tree preservation, there
09:26:13 could be some alternative landscape and irrigation
09:26:25 The lots could be unpaved or paved but they must meet
09:26:28 the manual for the access apron.
09:26:30 The drive isles paved with asphalt, concrete surface.
09:26:36 We can't have open fields with wheel stops.
09:26:41 ADA material.
09:26:46 Pedestrian access.
09:26:47 We need to have ADA connection to the parking lot to
09:26:49 the public sidewalks.
09:26:50 Alternative parking surface could be considered.
09:26:54 Signage is a big issue.
09:26:56 Three, four, five different.
09:26:58 We have all sorts of conditions out there with signage.
09:27:02 We want to make a single standard for the parking areas
09:27:05 for that.
09:27:07 We have a number of different conditions for fences but
09:27:10 basically it's either a black vinyl clad chain link
09:27:14 fence which is permitted right now in the code, or a
09:27:16 metal ornamental fence which is also delineated in
09:27:21 We would like to maintain that standard.
09:27:28 Basically if we were to take a condition like this
09:27:30 which we would see somewhere in the CBD which is
09:27:34 basically a paved lot with no perimeter landscape, with
09:27:44 improvements throughout the parking area, by virtue of
09:27:46 implementing the code, we would have improvements such
09:27:52 as that, which would be quite frankly there would be
09:27:57 five foot landscape buffer around there westbound
09:28:02 All the parking would be delineated.
09:28:04 Security lighting, asphalt, and in this particular case
09:28:09 asphalt or concrete paving.
09:28:12 We have a time line for doing this, as we go forward.
09:28:16 Basically, we would meet with the stakeholders, draft
09:28:23 code January 2011, prepare the draft code.
09:28:26 Code cycle, we would have that, work the stakeholders,
09:28:32 by next July 2011 we could simplify, as I talked about,
09:28:35 the code, and then we would be back in front of the
09:28:40 council following that.
09:28:41 So there's a couple members of staff here this morning,
09:28:48 if you have any questions.
09:28:50 Ms. Coyle, zoning administrator, Dennis Fernandez.
09:28:53 That concludes my presentation.
09:28:57 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Refresh our memories.
09:28:59 Does this area fall -- I remember back sometime in the
09:29:03 90s when we did the surface parking lot codes and so
09:29:06 forth and so on, we had so much time to come within
09:29:12 After that period, there were individuals that came up,
09:29:18 said they need an extension of time, I forget, a one
09:29:20 year, two years or something to that effect.
09:29:25 Were these parking lots in the same category as those
09:29:29 in Ybor City when we did that?
09:29:30 I'm not sure it was.
09:29:32 I'm not sure it wasn't.
09:29:35 What I'm saying is, what happens if we do all this, and
09:29:38 they still don't conform?
09:29:40 What happens then?
09:29:41 >>> Well, Mr. Miranda, I believe one of the ideas that
09:29:47 we would like implemented is to get a single person
09:29:50 assigned to downtown to do a code sweep on that.
09:29:53 At that point, after the grace period, which could be
09:29:56 anywhere from nine months to a year, if they don't
09:30:00 comply, we would put them in violation of the code.
09:30:06 >> What does that mean?
09:30:08 >> Well, I guess they would start accruing fines.
09:30:14 >> Are those fines then, if they come within conformity
09:30:23 within a certain period of time, are they washed off
09:30:26 the books or are they collected?
09:30:28 >> I wish someone was here.
09:30:30 I think Ms. Coyle probably could better answer that
09:30:33 question if she's willing to do so.
09:30:36 >>CATHERINE COYLE: Land development.
09:30:40 The process for actually going through the code
09:30:43 enforcement process, we have a zoning magistrate that
09:30:46 handles zoning cases now. If that zoning magistrate
09:30:50 finds you essentially guilty or not in compliance he
09:30:53 has an option of assessing a fee.
09:30:55 The fines do run daily.
09:30:57 There is a certain amount of time typically given to
09:31:00 come into compliance, and then the fine may or may not
09:31:03 Once you pass that deadline that's set, only the legal
09:31:08 department is petitioned for a reduction in fee.
09:31:10 I don't believe it goes to zero but it's actually in
09:31:13 the code to tell you exactly that process.
09:31:15 >> Were these lots included in that -- I believe it was
09:31:19 in the late, mid 90s, in Ybor City in.
09:31:23 >> Until recently when we changed the Ybor code on
09:31:26 parking which was almost two years ago now, all parking
09:31:29 lots were treated basically the same throughout the
09:31:31 Everyone followed the same set of rules for interim and
09:31:34 special event lots.
09:31:35 >> What you are saying --
09:31:36 >> So everybody was the same.
09:31:39 March of 1999, I believe, was the hard date for
09:31:44 It was extended to 2000, I believe, that year extension
09:31:48 that you are talking about.
09:31:49 That was written in the code as well.
09:31:51 And there was a definition which still is in the code
09:31:54 today, nonconforming parking lots, and that nonconform
09:31:57 parking lot definition describes any parking lot in the
09:32:00 city that didn't meet that standard.
09:32:04 So essentially any parking lot that doesn't meet the
09:32:07 standard of the code today is out of compliance with
09:32:09 >> So then, if I understood what you said, from 2000
09:32:14 on, these lots have been under the umbrella of that
09:32:20 ordinance but have not been conformed in.
09:32:23 >> Correct.
09:32:24 >> So it's only been ten years?
09:32:33 Ten times 365.
09:32:43 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Thank you, chairman.
09:32:44 Cathy Coyle answered some of the questions that I had
09:32:47 to ask.
09:32:49 Ms. Coyle, there are steps in order to come into
09:32:56 compliance for this, for the zoning code, for the
09:33:03 parking lots.
09:33:04 >>> Yes, there's a permitting process.
09:33:07 >>YVONNE CAPIN: A permitting process.
09:33:08 And you named -- how many steps are there to get into,
09:33:13 to do this?
09:33:15 >>CATHERINE COYLE: Under today's regulation -- because
09:33:17 what Mike showed you is President Obama tension future
09:33:20 change in the code, under today's regulations if you
09:33:22 just have land out there, considered vacant or
09:33:25 otherwise, but use parking lot, whatever, if you need
09:33:29 to come into compliance with code, you get to choose
09:33:32 what type of use that is based on how you are using the
09:33:35 We have a special event parking lot, which has very
09:33:37 minimal standards.
09:33:39 It's a six-month permit.
09:33:41 You come to our office.
09:33:42 There's a simple application that you fill out and you
09:33:44 provide a basic sketch of how that's laid out and every
09:33:48 six months you have to review.
09:33:49 Very minimal requirements as far as the condition of
09:33:52 the lot other than your prove proper driveways based on
09:33:56 the transportation technical manual.
09:33:58 The next parking locality which is a five-year time
09:34:01 frame with a one-year potential extension, that also
09:34:04 has minimal requirements.
09:34:07 If you are paved or unpaved and then there's additional
09:34:09 landscaping treatments based on how it's paved or
09:34:13 That, like I said, is a five year time limit.
09:34:16 In the downtown it's a special use 1.
09:34:18 It's reviewed administratively.
09:34:20 It's typically a 30 day time frame to submit that site
09:34:23 plan and application.
09:34:24 We review it to make sure it complies.
09:34:27 If it's approved, you go to permitting and pull your
09:34:29 building permit to actually do those improvements on
09:34:31 the site.
09:34:32 That process can be take as little as a couple of weeks
09:34:37 up to a couple of months, depending on the applicant,
09:34:40 how quickly they get the proper plans in.
09:34:42 The next step is a permanent parking lot.
09:34:45 Either accessory or principal meaning a principal
09:34:48 parking lot is you are paying to park there, and that's
09:34:50 the only use of the property.
09:34:52 Accessory is when it's linked to another use.
09:34:56 And those parking lots, they typically don't come
09:34:59 through us, a principal parking lot, special use.
09:35:04 Accessory just part of that use and just goes through
09:35:07 the permitting process.
09:35:08 >> And what he showed us were permanent?
09:35:16 >> Well, if you heard everything I just said, there are
09:35:20 lots of different --
09:35:23 >> Yes.
09:35:24 >> My personal goal in all of the codes that we have is
09:35:26 to simplify process as much as possible and simplify
09:35:30 types of use, so -- I want the regular person to
09:35:33 understand, if I'm applying for a parking lot, it just
09:35:36 doesn't have to be six different types of parking lots.
09:35:39 It's the form of the parking lot.
09:35:40 Either you are surface parking lot or you are
09:35:44 So we are trying to simplify it and just have surface
09:35:48 If you want to have surface parking, that's the use of
09:35:50 the property.
09:35:51 You follow these simple steps.
09:35:53 As far as the condition.
09:35:55 Perimeter landscaping, no enter your -- interior,
09:36:03 pavement, get a permit.
09:36:04 Our goal is to get a permit so it's actually legally
09:36:07 That's the goal.
09:36:10 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Thank you.
09:36:10 I appreciate the explanation and I learned it all right
09:36:13 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Let me just raise the question, if
09:36:17 they have to pave a parking lot, does the code come
09:36:23 into play that they have to have a retention pond?
09:36:26 I think once you start paving, it kicks in.
09:36:33 When I have you have a retention pond as well.
09:36:36 Is that accurate?
09:36:37 >>> It depends on the amount of paving.
09:36:39 If you are paving the entire block, the block parking
09:36:42 lot like the old Maas Brothers site, they were required
09:36:45 to provide some level of retention and the 15-foot
09:36:49 buffer along Tampa street actually is recessed a little
09:36:55 You can see that is where the water flows.
09:36:57 It very minimal retention downtown.
09:36:59 We do have a certain level of exemption for stormwater
09:37:02 but if you pave the entire site you have to retain
09:37:10 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you.
09:37:11 A couple of questions.
09:37:12 I notice ten years.
09:37:15 I don't think anyone got fined.
09:37:17 If they haven't, we haven't collected anything.
09:37:21 If we haven't collected anything we shouldn't have had
09:37:24 the ordinance ten years ago.
09:37:25 What are the costs now to apply for permitting and
09:37:29 And two, when you mention city lots, are we going to
09:37:33 conform to the same things that they are doing, that we
09:37:35 are presenting now?
09:37:40 >>CATHERINE COYLE: I believe the research that Mr.
09:37:42 Callahan found is the city lots are actually paved.
09:37:45 >> But retention pond --
09:37:46 >> The city lots are actually paved.
09:37:48 We are focusing on the unpaved lots just like with
09:37:51 Ybor, trying to follow the same methodology that
09:37:54 council directed in that particular situation.
09:37:56 So focusing on those unpaved lots they are non-city.
09:37:59 >> You are very smart because you said they are all
09:38:01 paved, and they are paved.
09:38:03 But to come into conformity with all of the ordinances
09:38:06 on trees and specialties for handicapped, and all the
09:38:11 things you said earlier, I want to make sure that we,
09:38:14 the writers of the ordinance, comply with our own
09:38:17 ordinance first before the others, understand that this
09:38:21 is what we want and set the example of what downtown
09:38:24 surface parking should be.
09:38:25 You know, we were sleepy town many years ago.
09:38:29 Things have changed.
09:38:31 There's certainly been development through the
09:38:32 corridor, the Marriott waterside, convention center,
09:38:39 the ice palace or St. Times Forum because they are
09:38:45 paying $3 million to say the St. Pete Times Forum, and
09:38:49 they should have given that money to employees for
09:38:51 raises, and now at the Channelside area, and all those
09:38:55 areas, I want to make sure that we do the same thing we
09:39:01 are asking others to do.
09:39:02 >> I believe we actually concur with you.
09:39:05 We are not in a place where we want to run a regulation
09:39:08 that is onerous for you as a private property owner
09:39:12 what we get out of it.
09:39:14 And I will say what Mike showed you, there's a lot of
09:39:17 stakeholders downtown.
09:39:18 There's a partnership.
09:39:19 There's several property owners.
09:39:20 There's a lot of parking and a lot of different
09:39:23 It's going to take time to get everyone into the same
09:39:25 room, discussing the same things, and agreeing on what
09:39:28 type of --
09:39:29 >> But it's been ten years.
09:39:30 >> During that time frame, we plan to go back and look
09:39:35 at our lots to make sure that we comply with whatever
09:39:37 comes forward.
09:39:40 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Well, I agree we are in the right
09:39:42 direction, but we can't say you either do it or we are
09:39:48 going to take you to court.
09:39:50 This stuff about I am going to fine you 500 a day, it
09:39:53 doesn't matter.
09:39:53 If you really want to do it, if you have things coming
09:39:56 up like big conventions, you know, the national
09:40:01 Republican convention, or the independents that brought
09:40:07 two people to the convention, the black bean
09:40:10 convention, they are all going to come here sooner or
09:40:13 So when you do that, I think that you are going to have
09:40:16 a clear example of what you want -- the general public
09:40:21 has come in that's maybe never been to Tampa, because
09:40:24 the best advertisement is word of mouth.
09:40:26 When they leave here, I want to make sure that they
09:40:29 say, now what?
09:40:30 What a clean city.
09:40:31 Those parking lots are beautiful.
09:40:32 There's even a streetcar.
09:40:35 There's all this amenity there that are so nice, and
09:40:39 the women are beautiful.
09:40:41 I say that because the crowd is full of women.
09:40:43 So what I'm saying is -- that includes you.
09:40:47 So what I'm saying is that all these things are so
09:40:52 minor, but they mean so much in the long run, because
09:40:56 it's free publicity.
09:40:57 >> Aesthetics are very important to us as well, and
09:41:00 writing this regulation and making sure that downtown,
09:41:02 any street, any block downtown is appealing, visual to
09:41:07 whoever comes here.
09:41:08 >> And the answer to the second question.
09:41:10 How about the cost?
09:41:11 >> The permitting cost?
09:41:13 >> Yes.
09:41:13 >> We can look into that.
09:41:15 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Is there any way to lower the cost
09:41:17 so they can get it done quicker?
09:41:18 I would rather have something done than say, I can't
09:41:20 afford it, I'm not going to do it.
09:41:24 I'm just throwing it out.
09:41:26 I'm not an administrator.
09:41:27 Only you guys can work on that and change that.
09:41:29 >>> I believe City Council sets the --
09:41:33 >> Well, we can at the end.
09:41:34 But it's not us to be seven mayors.
09:41:40 There's only one.
09:41:40 So I throw it back at you.
09:41:42 That curve ball.
09:41:42 >> We can look at it and let now.
09:41:45 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Councilman Caetano.
09:41:47 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: The slides that you showed on
09:41:50 there, are these some of the things that you want
09:41:56 >>> Mike Callahan: Yes.
09:41:59 As Ms. Coyle indicated we are trying to simplify it.
09:42:02 Instead of having a lot of interior landscape
09:42:05 requirements let's do a nice interior landscape and
09:42:08 there's a couple of instances in the city that we feel
09:42:10 like that would be a good paradigm to implement.
09:42:15 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: I had an experience where I
09:42:18 parked for something, I think at the Marriott down by
09:42:21 the water, and when I got my car back it was damaged.
09:42:25 And I called the leasing company that leases the
09:42:27 property, and I went through phone calls for about a
09:42:32 year and never got any remedy, never got anything out
09:42:36 of it.
09:42:38 Are they required to have insurance on their
09:42:43 >>> The private lots we are talking about in.
09:42:46 >> Yes.
09:42:46 >> I would -- I can't answer that in full, but I would
09:42:51 suspect that absolutely they would have, or either some
09:42:55 sort of disclaimer that, you know, as you park there
09:42:57 that you would fully see and read.
09:43:02 >> I think we need to look into having personal
09:43:06 property insurance if your car is damaged, it could be
09:43:09 a fire in another car next to your car, it could be any
09:43:12 number of issues.
09:43:16 And I think we should look into whether they should
09:43:18 have insurance.
09:43:22 Because I see a few companies around that have been
09:43:24 buying up a lot of lots.
09:43:26 And it's the same name on all of them so it must be a
09:43:29 money-making venture for them.
09:43:31 >>THOMAS SCOTT: A lot of those lots will tell you that
09:43:38 they are not responsible, that had you park at your own
09:43:40 risk and that sort of thing.
09:43:41 >>> I'm sorry for interrupting.
09:43:46 Most of those are posted.
09:43:48 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Yes, most of those are posted, and my
09:43:54 insurance don't fix it, but otherwise they'll tell you.
09:43:57 You go to the mall, at your own risk.
09:43:59 They tell you that.
09:44:01 You are at your own risk pretty much.
09:44:03 Councilwoman Mulhern.
09:44:04 >>MARY MULHERN: I think these code changes are great,
09:44:12 you know, especially having one category for parking,
09:44:17 not having the interim and temporary parking permits.
09:44:21 But it strikes me that, you know, we do have been
09:44:26 regulations that have been in place for ten years,
09:44:29 which are not being enforced.
09:44:31 So we are not collecting, you know, we are not
09:44:35 collecting on the violations.
09:44:42 I don't know why we take another year to change our
09:44:45 It's not going to make any difference unless we start
09:44:47 So I don't understand.
09:44:50 And I know -- we don't have code enforcement here.
09:44:56 But if we haven't been doing it for ten years, why
09:44:59 should anyone expect us to start doing it?
09:45:01 And the reality is, it is good business.
09:45:05 They make a lot of money, and apparently they don't
09:45:07 have to have much insurance either.
09:45:09 So the cost to them, it seems like we should make the
09:45:14 investment in enforcing the code that we have now.
09:45:20 >>> Councilwoman Mulhern, one of the biggest issues
09:45:27 that we see is, one, our biggest bank just enforcing
09:45:33 the zoning code.
09:45:34 We haven't done it for whatever reason from
09:45:38 administration to administration.
09:45:39 We just haven't done it.
09:45:40 So if we could do that -- and we talked to code
09:45:46 I think if we can have that one person sweeping the
09:45:48 area, and I think we can start implementing that.
09:45:52 But one of the biggest problems is the special event
09:45:55 Everybody -- so many folks jump into that loophole
09:45:59 where there is no requirement.
09:46:01 It can just be an open grass field.
09:46:05 Many times they would tear a building down and just
09:46:07 leave the foundation there and actually we see some of
09:46:13 that in north 40, if you will, in the perimeter parking
09:46:17 So the special event parking has been problematic, and
09:46:20 they get through the loophole in that fashion.
09:46:26 >>MARY MULHERN: But we are giving them the permits for
09:46:29 Or they are just doing it?
09:46:31 >> Well, I think there's not many valid permits for
09:46:37 special event parking.
09:46:38 >> But if you don't have a special event permit you
09:46:41 shouldn't be able to park so that's a code enforcement
09:46:45 So it is a violation of code.
09:46:50 I think by not enforcing our code we just encourage
09:46:52 more of that and we encourage people to let their
09:46:55 historic buildings deteriorate, and so they can make
09:46:59 some money off the parking, if nothing else, no
09:47:04 They don't even have to, you know, pay for a ticket for
09:47:08 a code violation.
09:47:09 They don't have to have insurance.
09:47:12 I mean, it's ridiculous.
09:47:14 We just need to start enforcing it.
09:47:17 And I'm fine with making these changes.
09:47:19 But I don't even see a need to make changes, and a code
09:47:23 we are not enforcing anyway.
09:47:25 >>> Well, in this whole process in the last six months
09:47:28 since I have been involved, we have been dealing with
09:47:30 the code enforcement.
09:47:32 I think there's a whole new cooperative spirit that we
09:47:35 want to start using, getting them to help us, because I
09:47:38 think everybody realizes we have to do better.
09:47:41 It's such an impression when people come to Tampa the
09:47:44 first time to see some of the outer lying lots and the
09:47:49 conditions they are in.
09:47:50 So code enforcement is going to be with us as we go
09:47:54 We wanted to simplify the code for the parking
09:47:57 We don't need to have -- we need to have one, actually
09:48:00 two, one for surface and one for structure.
09:48:04 That's what Ms. Coyle talked about.
09:48:05 I think going forward we will have a much better
09:48:08 cooperative spirit with -- cooperation, I guess with,
09:48:12 code enforcement.
09:48:14 I understand what you're saying.
09:48:17 But I would like to say there's a new sheriff in town,
09:48:28 [ Laughter ]
09:48:32 >>CURTIS STOKES: I apologize on this, but I understand
09:48:37 you have been involved in the process for the past six
09:48:38 months and your diagram takes another eleven months to
09:48:45 implement changes.
09:48:45 Why does the process take so long when there's an
09:48:48 obvious problem that we need to address?
09:48:55 >>> First of all, it's a great question.
09:48:57 But these things do take time because we have to vet it
09:48:59 through the public process.
09:49:01 We can't just by fiat change the code without involving
09:49:04 some of the stakeholders so that's an important
09:49:08 Then there's only two times a year that we can change
09:49:10 the code, January and July.
09:49:12 So we need to actually write it, vet it with the
09:49:16 stakeholders, and then get it into the July --
09:49:21 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Cycle.
09:49:22 >> By next July we will be able to change that.
09:49:25 I know it sound like a long time, but frankly when we
09:49:29 went through Ybor City, it took almost a full two
09:49:32 I think we are trying to even streamline this.
09:49:36 >>CURTIS STOKES: Thank you.
09:49:37 >>THOMAS SCOTT: What the cost for the permits?
09:49:44 Do you know, Mr. Callahan?
09:49:46 What is the cost for each permit now currently?
09:49:49 >>CATHERINE COYLE: Land development.
09:49:50 The special use permit is approximately $965 to come
09:49:55 through the initial --
09:49:56 >> Six months in.
09:49:57 >> No.
09:49:58 That would be for the special use permit for interim
09:50:00 parking lot or for a principal parking lot.
09:50:03 Special event parking lot, I believe, is about 150 some
09:50:06 odd dollars.
09:50:07 >> And renewed every six months?
09:50:11 >> That's a special event.
09:50:12 That's about 155, I think.
09:50:15 It might be 300.
09:50:17 I would have to look it up.
09:50:18 >> So the special event is 100-some dollars and the
09:50:22 other is 900?
09:50:24 >> 965, I believe.
09:50:26 >>THOMAS SCOTT: And pay that when?
09:50:27 >> When they apply to our office.
09:50:30 The special use review.
09:50:32 Then if you have a special use review approved, if
09:50:35 there's any physical conditions, you have to pull a
09:50:40 building permit, that's the cost I am unsure of is how
09:50:42 much it costs to lay the pavement and put in the
09:50:46 >> To go with what Mr. Mike Callahan recommended today,
09:50:54 on a lot downtown, what would be the cost for me to
09:50:56 bring that into compliance be? Do you all have any
09:50:59 idea in.
09:50:59 >> Under today's regulations?
09:51:01 >> Under what he's proposing.
09:51:03 >>> Well, one thing, we are trying to simplify
09:51:06 We are taking the special use process out of it.
09:51:08 The parking downtown is a permitted use.
09:51:11 That takes our review, that $965 out of the review and
09:51:16 that 30 day review out.
09:51:17 Would you go straight to permitting.
09:51:19 That's the cost that I cannot tell you is the cost of
09:51:20 the permit fees.
09:51:22 We can certainly research that for you.
09:51:23 And through this process document that.
09:51:25 >> I'm just trying to get a feeling that we are
09:51:28 discussing this, and it sound like council may be
09:51:31 amenable to it.
09:51:32 We can also begin to enforce what we do have on the
09:51:35 books now.
09:51:35 But I'm just trying to get a feel as to what the cost
09:51:40 would be to do that, not including the cost to improve
09:51:43 the lots.
09:51:45 So we are talking now about the application, I guess,
09:51:49 permit, right in so there's a cost for if I have to, I
09:51:54 guess, pave --
09:51:57 >> Be they don't have to all be paved.
09:52:00 >>THOMAS SCOTT: But it has to be delineated, right?
09:52:02 >>> Mike Callahan: You don't to pave.
09:52:05 It can be unpaved.
09:52:06 But the spaces have to be delineated and has to be a
09:52:09 smooth surface.
09:52:11 >> So there has to be a cost because the ones that you
09:52:15 showed us earlier there were potholes, not paved,
09:52:20 potholes, not delineated?
09:52:22 >> Actually some of those were.
09:52:23 But could you do that with wheel stops.
09:52:25 >> Okay.
09:52:27 There was no shrubbery line.
09:52:32 So no landscaping.
09:52:34 So they would have to do all of that.
09:52:36 So there's going to be some type of cost associated
09:52:40 with it overall.
09:52:41 >>> There is extenuating circumstances.
09:52:46 If they are permitted parking use with a permit they
09:52:50 would be grandfathered.
09:52:51 But going forward, going forward, we would require
09:52:55 anyone who is not permitted to come into compliance.
09:53:00 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Okay.
09:53:02 And I think we have to improve especially in the
09:53:05 downtown area.
09:53:06 We have to make it better.
09:53:07 He we want to the be nice.
09:53:09 We want it to be attractive.
09:53:10 I think councilman Miranda stated earlier all the
09:53:14 Republican conventions and all these other conventions
09:53:18 and trying to get the 2018 soccer world soccer here and
09:53:24 all that.
09:53:25 So we have got to do a lot to improve the downtown
09:53:30 appearance in terms of, as you said, the parking areas.
09:53:33 So I support that.
09:53:36 But you all began to look at what the costs are so that
09:53:40 people can have an idea as to what the cost is going to
09:53:43 mean, and in particular because we are in a recession,
09:53:47 or they say the recession ended -- [ Laughter ]
09:53:55 That's what they say, anyway.
09:54:00 So I think it would be helpful, since we are moving
09:54:03 forward, one is we are going to enforce the current
09:54:06 code that's on the book that we have not enforced for
09:54:08 ten years, right? So we are going to go back and start
09:54:11 enforcing that.
09:54:12 Second we talk about implementing new code.
09:54:14 So that's costs associated with that H.so it good to
09:54:17 start putting those together so that once I come in
09:54:20 with my lot, you know, I have an idea of what the cost
09:54:24 is going to be, and what the financial impact is going
09:54:28 to be.
09:54:29 And of course a lot of these places, I know when you
09:54:32 have events at the St. Pete Times Forum, they have all
09:54:36 these lot people collecting 15, $20.
09:54:40 It all depends on what event it is.
09:54:42 And they do make money.
09:54:45 >> I will say, if the new owner of the lightning,
09:54:50 looking down on the parking lot at the St. Pete Times
09:54:53 Forum and was basically very unhappy with that parking
09:54:58 lot, what he had seen.
09:54:59 So he's come in to talk to us about landscaping that
09:55:02 entire perimeter there and fixing that parking area.
09:55:11 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: He's paying in.
09:55:14 >>> Yes.
09:55:15 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I wanted to make sure.
09:55:16 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: I hope they can answer this
09:55:19 Ms. Coil, people that have these parking lots, are they
09:55:22 required to pay sales tax on their -- when they sell a
09:55:28 >>CATHERINE COYLE: I cannot answer that question.
09:55:30 >> Can you find out from the Department of Revenue, if
09:55:33 they fall under that category?
09:55:35 >>CATHERINE COYLE: We can look into that.
09:55:47 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Any other questions from council?
09:55:49 We don't need to take any action today?
09:55:52 According to your schedule you are coming back January
09:55:55 >> That's correct.
09:55:57 That's correct.
09:55:58 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Okay.
09:55:59 Any other questions by council?
09:56:09 According to our rules we open up for public comments.
09:56:12 Public comment.
09:56:13 Yes, sir.
09:56:15 I thought you had a question.
09:56:18 A statement.
09:56:18 >> Jason McCarty, owner and operator of 717 parking
09:56:27 here in Tampa.
09:56:27 Also a property owner throughout the city.
09:56:32 Mr. Michelini told me there was going to be a public
09:56:35 hearing today.
09:56:35 I'm not really prepared.
09:56:37 But I guess what I would ask is if the city would
09:56:41 allow -- sorry, I ran up here.
09:56:52 A couple.
09:56:53 >>STEVE MICHELINI: A couple of things happened.
09:56:55 One of the things you are not aware of and you touched
09:56:57 on it briefly was that there is an assumption that
09:56:59 people make a lot of money off of these lots.
09:57:02 What they make pays basically the taxes for the
09:57:07 properties that they have to pay for property taxes.
09:57:11 They do make an income off of it in addition to that
09:57:13 but it's not this huge astronomical fees everyone
09:57:17 assumes that they make.
09:57:18 And you also talked briefly about the cost of
09:57:22 implementing the interim parking lot standards.
09:57:26 There's also costs that come out of somebody's pocket,
09:57:29 particularly with 717, it's not coming out of the
09:57:31 owner's pocket.
09:57:33 It's coming out of the operator's pocket.
09:57:35 And this company in particular also collects sales
09:57:38 taxes as part of their revenue stream.
09:57:41 And they have received -- they monitor all the income
09:57:45 coming off the lots so they can tell will you exactly
09:57:48 what the income is for each of the individual lots by
09:57:51 So all of these things are very closely monitored with
09:57:56 For the most part you don't have individual property
09:57:58 owners that are operating parking lots.
09:57:59 You have companies operating private property lots for
09:58:05 And I think everyone agrees, if you can make them more
09:58:09 attractive, that's fine.
09:58:10 But the last time they implemented landscaping
09:58:12 standards, we had a drought, and then they were not
09:58:16 allowed to water any of the landscaping that they were
09:58:18 required to put in.
09:58:21 So all landscaping that they spent tens of thousands of
09:58:22 dollars on died.
09:58:25 And you have other issues like water meters and things
09:58:28 like that, that the city is not going to run.
09:58:33 But some things you might want to look at, what does
09:58:36 the green team do downtown and what can they do to
09:58:39 assist and keep maintaining the perimeter of these lots
09:58:42 in an attractive manner.
09:58:46 It might be useful if the council entertained a request
09:58:48 from the staff to provide an economic impact statement
09:58:51 of what is the cost when they come in and ask you to
09:58:53 change the code.
09:58:56 Those kinds of things are very important.
09:58:58 It shouldn't be, we don't nobody what the cost is and
09:59:01 we are going to throw our hands up and somebody else
09:59:04 has to figure it out later on but this is what we want.
09:59:07 The staff ought to be doing that study in advance and
09:59:09 telling you the economic impact on an individual is
09:59:13 So, anyway, I think Mr. McCarty has caught his
09:59:18 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: And I appreciate everything that's
09:59:20 been said, and I'm not in disagreement.
09:59:22 But when we start talking about the drought killed
09:59:25 everything, this council and this government had to
09:59:30 make a choice, had to make a choice between drinking
09:59:33 water, water to bathe your kids, or spend it on the
09:59:42 We were first to put in hand watering and we had to do
09:59:45 what we had to do.
09:59:46 We didn't have rain for 70-some days.
09:59:50 The reservoir was not only half empty, it was under
09:59:53 half empty which means 1.2 billion gallons, and anytime
09:59:59 it goes under 15 feet the pumps stop working because
10:00:02 they don't have enough water coming in.
10:00:03 So what happens there happened throughout the City of
10:00:08 In fact it happened to 650,000 people, and the 211
10:00:13 square miles that we service in the water department.
10:00:16 So what happened is everybody has the same problem.
10:00:26 I'm not here to say something is wrong.
10:00:27 When you make an investment, I don't care if it's an
10:00:30 investment in a building or parking lot?
10:00:37 The rest of them are very, very good people and I
10:00:39 commend them for that.
10:00:40 So they know what the due diligence is.
10:00:42 They know what the return on the dollar is.
10:00:44 If not they wouldn't buy a lot.
10:00:46 In fact, I believe the lot -- I saw some heavy
10:00:54 equipment there some months back, and it's coming out
10:00:57 pretty nice and they are doing everything they can to
10:00:59 make it appealing to the eye, especially in the
10:01:02 downtown corridor.
10:01:03 What we are saying is -- and I said it earlier -- maybe
10:01:06 it could be a reduction of fees to get these things
10:01:08 done but they have to be done.
10:01:12 This is my third time being elected, and the third time
10:01:15 I'm still hearing about lots not being in conformity,
10:01:18 and I'm just sick and tired.
10:01:21 Either the law is no good, we haven't even forced it in
10:01:25 ten years.
10:01:25 That was said earlier.
10:01:26 So I'm sitting here saying why do we write the law if
10:01:29 it hasn't been in force for ten years?
10:01:32 We are willing to negotiate and give a two or
10:01:34 three-year extension, if I remember.
10:01:36 I don't remember what the extension of years were.
10:01:38 And we did that in the 90s.
10:01:40 And we are still back here today in 2010 talking about
10:01:45 the same -- today in 2010 talking about the same thing
10:01:48 we talked about in the 90s.
10:01:50 So what I'm saying is somewhere along the line,
10:01:54 somebody has got to know what they pay for something.
10:01:56 I'm not saying that they make millions.
10:01:58 I hope they do make millions.
10:02:00 But when I sit in that office and I start getting
10:02:02 requests from private property companies wanting to
10:02:05 take over the parking of the City of Tampa, that means
10:02:11 there's some money to be made.
10:02:15 They don't use money to lose money.
10:02:17 No private individual does that.
10:02:19 I'm not telling you that they are perfect.
10:02:21 I'm not telling you they don't sometimes buy an
10:02:24 elephant and they have got to pay and lose money.
10:02:27 That's the prerogative of the free enterprise system in
10:02:31 What I'm saying is, we must come to an agreement soon,
10:02:37 or there will be hardship penalties -- harsher
10:02:40 penalties than what you see now.
10:02:41 This going to end one way or the other.
10:02:44 When you see some of these lots that are not paved, it
10:02:48 looks like a foxhole, your car goes in and you have to
10:02:51 call AAA to come pick it up because it's a foot and a
10:02:55 half deep, four foot wide.
10:02:56 It's not right.
10:02:57 It doesn't look good.
10:02:58 The dust goes all over the place.
10:03:02 We have to change and become the city that we want to
10:03:05 And it got to come from everywhere.
10:03:07 From you, your clients, the city.
10:03:10 I don't think the city got everything perfect in their
10:03:13 own surface lots.
10:03:14 I don't think some of the things that were said there
10:03:17 the city has done.
10:03:18 But that's just me.
10:03:22 I look around and say, we don't have a retention pond
10:03:26 here P.maybe they do and I haven't seen it.
10:03:28 But they don't have a lot of things that we talked
10:03:31 So they themselves are going to have to do it.
10:03:37 Mick mechanic I wasn't trying to criticize the water
10:03:40 I was just saying don't a don't apply a standard that
10:03:43 you can't meet.
10:03:45 Immediately upon planting you couldn't plant -- you
10:03:47 couldn't water the materials that were required.
10:03:49 So these things do have to get worked out and I think
10:03:52 certainly 717 is willing to be a leader in helping to
10:03:56 establish reasonable rules that can be achievable
10:03:58 across the board when they apply to the City of Tampa
10:04:01 or private lot operators in themselves.
10:04:03 >> And that's an investment in property is not an
10:04:08 immediate return.
10:04:09 It's long-time gain that you will get lot if your lot
10:04:11 is better than somebody else's.
10:04:13 That's what I am going to say.
10:04:15 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Next speaker.
10:04:16 >>> Mr. Miranda, thank you for letting me speak.
10:04:21 >> Now that you got your breath.
10:04:23 >>> As Steve mentioned, all I would like is an
10:04:27 opportunity, and I think I speak for myself, and the
10:04:29 other partners I have in the downtown area, is to give
10:04:31 an opportunity to meet with city staff, to be able to
10:04:34 look at -- I don't know, was it ten years ago, I sat on
10:04:39 a committee which included public and private parking
10:04:42 operators and developers and others downtown that
10:04:45 looked specifically at the parking ordinances and the
10:04:48 interim use versus the accessory use versus principal
10:04:50 use of parking lots and garages in the downtown area.
10:04:54 And I guess what I would request today if it's possible
10:04:56 is to see if we could get back together as a community
10:04:59 and as a city and to be able to talk about standards to
10:05:03 make our city beautiful and to make sure these parking
10:05:05 lots not only from a private standpoint, from a public
10:05:09 tan point, meet certain standards, and that we all work
10:05:12 together to kind of make the city a better place to
10:05:14 park, better place to live.
10:05:16 That's all.
10:05:26 I understand some people did, the public did, the
10:05:28 private did.
10:05:29 All of us work together.
10:05:32 And just give us an opportunity to get everybody back
10:05:35 in the room.
10:05:36 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I understand.
10:05:36 >>> And that's it.
10:05:38 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Well, you can do that because we are
10:05:39 not taking any action.
10:05:40 The action we are taking will be January so from now to
10:05:43 January you can meet with all the city staff to do all
10:05:45 of that, because there's no action.
10:05:49 But we are having a report to look at where we are with
10:05:52 the parking in the central business district.
10:05:56 >>> If I could get council's support maybe people
10:06:00 within the city could organize something with the
10:06:02 downtown partnership, put together --
10:06:06 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Mr. McCarty, I do believe that is the
10:06:08 process they are proposing.
10:06:09 It is on there.
10:06:10 A stakeholders.
10:06:13 >> And I'm a stakeholder.
10:06:16 >>YVONNE CAPIN: You got your wish.
10:06:17 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Next speaker.
10:06:18 Anyone else?
10:06:19 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Mr. Chairman, I'm sorry, I have been
10:06:22 reminded by the clerk to ask those who are speaking
10:06:25 today for the purposes of having the clerk have a
10:06:27 record, to please sign in and make sure that you signed
10:06:30 in on the sign-in sheet at the lectern outside.
10:06:35 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you very much.
10:06:36 Any other questions?
10:06:37 If not, then we'll see you all back in January 2011 on
10:06:42 this item.
10:06:45 Our next 10:00 item is the amendment to the historic
10:06:47 district code.
10:06:49 The motion was initiated by councilman Miranda and
10:06:54 councilman Dingfelder.
10:07:22 >>JULIA COLE: City of Tampa legal department.
10:07:25 As you know, City Council has made a couple of
10:07:28 different motions relating to our historic preservation
10:07:32 And I have had an opportunity to discuss our existing
10:07:36 processes with staff to look at our code, to look at
10:07:40 some other codes, and what I wanted to do was first let
10:07:46 City Council know, at this point I am really limiting
10:07:48 my conversation to direct because that was the initial
10:07:55 motion of council but we can certainly discuss other
10:07:57 I just wanted to make sure council was aware that that
10:07:59 was really where our focus was
10:08:02 What you are receiving is are two documents.
10:08:05 The first document -- and I am going to put that on the
10:08:12 The first document that you have in front of you, what
10:08:25 that provides for is the existing process, the existing
10:08:32 process that we had for the designation of local
10:08:37 historic districts.
10:08:42 And in reviewing this flow chart, it's a good summary
10:08:45 of what we do today.
10:08:49 And you will note that the way we start our process is
10:08:53 the identification of the historic resource, in this
10:08:56 case President Obama tension district.
10:08:59 And it's identified through a variety of different
10:09:01 ways, request of council, HPC, request of property
10:09:09 There really is no delineated process under which
10:09:12 historic resource is identified.
10:09:16 At that point in time, the HPC staff, after something
10:09:21 has been identified, would typically meet with affected
10:09:24 That's not necessarily codified.
10:09:26 It's just more of a practice.
10:09:28 It's at that point of time what staff will do today is
10:09:32 they will bring that historic resource on an annual
10:09:37 basis to that Historic Preservation Commission, and at
10:09:41 that point in time the Historic Preservation Commission
10:09:45 will make a motion to place it on its work plan or its
10:09:47 work program.
10:09:50 The two terms are used interchangeably.
10:09:52 Now, once something ends up on the work program or work
10:09:57 plan, what that is intended to do is set forth an
10:10:00 opportunity to have staff on an annual basis report
10:10:05 back to the Historic Preservation Commission to do,
10:10:10 over some period of time, research, public outreach,
10:10:13 et cetera.
10:10:16 But typically, other than the HPC is sort of the
10:10:24 ambassador to the historic resource, downtown have any
10:10:27 delineated process to provide an opportunity for that
10:10:30 property owner to be officially brought into the
10:10:35 Once we get past the point of being on the work plan or
10:10:38 the work program, staff continues to do research, staff
10:10:41 continues to meet with the residents, to design
10:10:49 Just so you know the code currently requires that in
10:10:52 order to move forth with a historic district, there is
10:10:56 an obligation to also bring forward design guidelines
10:10:58 or design standards as part of the designation process.
10:11:03 So once those design standards are developed, it's been
10:11:09 on our work program for several years, it's at that
10:11:14 point in time that there's an official start of the
10:11:16 designation process.
10:11:20 First Historic Preservation Commission, there's a
10:11:24 noticed public hearing, it's been forwarded to council,
10:11:27 for City Council to move forward with the process, to
10:11:30 set the public hearing.
10:11:33 It goes to the Planning Commission for them to weigh in
10:11:35 on whether or not creation of the district is
10:11:38 appropriate, and we get to the ordinance process where
10:11:43 you actually have a public hearing, an official
10:11:47 determination of City Council, to move forward, to
10:11:50 adopt an ordinance, to designate, the district as well
10:11:53 as adopt the design standards.
10:11:57 I thought it was important for everybody to see the way
10:11:59 our process works today, because it is this process
10:12:02 that I think we need to be looking at and making some
10:12:07 decisions about.
10:12:15 The next handout that I had given you is some proposals
10:12:18 that I am suggesting to see if there is a way to
10:12:23 actually bring the property owners affected by
10:12:29 decisions of HPC and this board into the process
10:12:34 earlier but in a more formal manner.
10:12:36 Now, I am not suggesting to you that our staff does not
10:12:39 do a very good job of public input, going out to the
10:12:44 community and working with people.
10:12:46 I don't think anybody would suggest that they don't
10:12:50 give the best shot they can to do public outreach and
10:12:52 to do education.
10:12:53 But what we don't have in our approach today is a
10:12:57 delineated formal process, property owners for district
10:13:04 are brought into the process prior to staff spending a
10:13:06 lot of time and a lot of resources moving forward in
10:13:11 the formal legal designation process requiring an
10:13:14 ordinance, requiring public hearing, and really setting
10:13:19 out a more quasi-judicial rezoning process.
10:13:24 The one thing I do want to say about this process I am
10:13:27 about to describe, we actually have this process in our
10:13:29 code, not exactly in this manner but we have landmark
10:13:36 Our code does provide a public hearing process to add
10:13:40 landmark structures on onto the city's work plan.
10:13:44 This process that I am describing isn't new, it is in
10:13:49 our code today, but it's expanding it and making it a
10:13:52 more meaningful process.
10:13:54 And the first thing I think is important to
10:13:56 understand -- and we describe with this work plan at
10:14:01 the top of the page -- this work plan process is really
10:14:04 intended to be a decision on study areas, and a
10:14:08 decision on allocating staff resources.
10:14:12 As I explained, it is a lot of staff time and resources
10:14:17 moving forward in the district.
10:14:18 There's a lot of public outreach that's obligated as
10:14:22 well as draft and design guidelines which takes a lot
10:14:24 of time, you have inventory, there has to very specific
10:14:30 decisions made, and this would have the effect of
10:14:32 creating this study area, and also creating the
10:14:35 opportunity to make some decisions about staff
10:14:42 The first part of this process would be the initiation
10:14:45 or the start of the work plan process, which would be
10:14:48 by motion of City Council.
10:14:50 So staff can come to City Council or another entity can
10:14:57 come to City Council and ask to initiate the work plan
10:15:01 process, being the study process.
10:15:03 After that motion is made, staff will just conduct some
10:15:09 very preliminary information, because if there is an
10:15:11 area where there is a request to create a study area
10:15:15 that has -- that doesn't really meet our standard,
10:15:19 staff needs to have that identification ahead of time.
10:15:22 And I am not talking about staff going out and going on
10:15:24 the folks' property and interviewing folks.
10:15:29 I'm talking about a staff that looks at photographs and
10:15:31 some background research and those kind of things in
10:15:34 order to be able to identify whether or not there's any
10:15:38 value in moving forward.
10:15:40 And the second step that I am recommending is that
10:15:43 within 120 days, but I at that level of time frame was
10:15:51 a fair enough to for staff to ensure that they have the
10:15:55 time necessary.
10:15:55 The HPC administrator will do a couple things.
10:15:59 They will set a meeting, like a public information
10:16:03 meeting that we do at our land development does all the
10:16:07 time with the affected property owners to do two
10:16:09 things, to explain the process of designation of the
10:16:14 district, what it all entails, and the second thing to
10:16:18 give information and education about what it means to
10:16:20 be in a historic district.
10:16:23 This be would be a more formalized process in our code
10:16:26 versus staff doesn't do this today, it just not formal
10:16:29 part of our process.
10:16:32 Once that meeting has occurred, there will actually be
10:16:34 scheduled notice public hearings to all affected
10:16:37 property owners.
10:16:38 The first public hearing being before the Historic
10:16:40 Preservation Commission for an evaluation of the study
10:16:46 area, for some initial threshold standards, as well as
10:16:52 the level of public participation from the affected
10:16:59 The affected property owners.
10:17:00 And that would be a recommendation from the HPC that
10:17:05 would ultimately come back to City Council for a final
10:17:07 determination of adding a specific area to its work
10:17:17 Again that would be based on common standards and
10:17:20 evaluation of the participation by affected property
10:17:27 By having this more formalized process versus not
10:17:30 really having a formalized process and fairly far down
10:17:35 the pike, an education, having an opportunity for
10:17:38 property owners to weigh in, first of all, I think it
10:17:43 does have -- eliminating our staff resources, and
10:17:48 second of all, ABC you move forward with the district
10:17:50 and you move forward with the design guidelines and
10:17:53 design standards, having an understanding of what type
10:17:55 of public participation will be involved is important
10:17:59 in making your staff resource allocation, and providing
10:18:03 where your study areas are going to be.
10:18:05 It allows more collaboration upfront in a formalized
10:18:10 At the point of time it comes to City Council, two
10:18:12 things can happen.
10:18:13 We either proceed or we don't proceed.
10:18:14 If we don't proceed, all that means is staff resources
10:18:18 will not be allocated, and that is something that will
10:18:22 not remain on any formal work plan or work program of
10:18:26 the city, but will be something that we are not
10:18:30 allocating resources to move forward on.
10:18:33 If there's a decision to proceed forward, what that
10:18:35 means is that you are saying as City Council, yes,
10:18:42 let's allocate staff resources and time, get into the
10:18:45 more formalized process of the design standard, and the
10:18:49 creation of the legal requirements to move forward with
10:18:52 the district.
10:18:55 And of a that occurs we'll really just proceed back
10:18:58 into the typical process that we currently have in our
10:19:00 code, and the protections of that public hearing
10:19:04 The other thing that I think I would recommend that is
10:19:07 very important to have within is two things.
10:19:10 First of all, that there's an opportunity for property
10:19:12 owners to make a request to be removed.
10:19:17 We have had opportunities the way it works today that
10:19:21 have property owners' request to be removed from the
10:19:25 work program or work problem sees.
10:19:28 It's just not formalized.
10:19:30 It's not in our code.
10:19:32 But we have in the past couple years created those
10:19:34 types of opportunities, but it is better if we codify
10:19:39 those opportunities.
10:19:39 And the second thing that I think is also very
10:19:42 important is that we provide a codified requirement
10:19:47 that our work plan is evaluated every five years.
10:19:51 A typical site, as we move forward, any form of capital
10:19:58 improvement program, and some of our older programs.
10:20:01 So that way we don't have things just sitting out there
10:20:04 for a long period of time that clearly staff believes
10:20:10 they have the resources to do but turns out overtime
10:20:13 budgets change and priorities changes change that we
10:20:16 haven't had an opportunity to move forward with and we
10:20:18 can reevaluate those every five years
10:20:22 Again, I think what's important that I am trying to
10:20:25 accomplish in this is a couple of things.
10:20:27 First of all, ensuring that our processes are legally
10:20:30 enforceable because anytime you are affecting private
10:20:33 property rights, you always have to make sure adequate
10:20:37 due problem sees is given.
10:20:38 But the second thing that I think is really important
10:20:42 to understand and do deal with is to try to have more
10:20:49 collaborative processes, placing our staff in a
10:20:52 position when they are moving forward and working with
10:20:54 property owners that they are doing it in a manner that
10:20:56 allows them to be facilitators and educators that
10:21:00 doesn't place them in adversary position was property
10:21:03 That's not their role.
10:21:04 That's not their goal.
10:21:05 They believe very strongly in a strong historic
10:21:08 preservation program.
10:21:09 They believe it's a very important to have
10:21:12 collaborative decisions made.
10:21:15 And that is what they attempt to do on a daily basis.
10:21:18 Even though it doesn't always feel that way because
10:21:20 historic preservation issues do tend to become
10:21:23 adversarial at times.
10:21:24 And I'm hopeful by bringing the collaboration and the
10:21:28 opportunities to have formal input on the front end, it
10:21:31 would actually have the effect of you might have
10:21:34 property owners that once they understand the program
10:21:36 at the front end, and don't feel it is being forced on
10:21:39 them, that they may have a better opportunity to get in
10:21:44 the process.
10:21:45 And the second part of that is really having some --
10:21:50 this council makes the decisions about where they
10:21:52 believe the resources should go.
10:21:54 And that's what we are hopeful that this program would
10:21:57 do for the district.
10:21:58 And as I said, we have a very similar process in our
10:22:01 code right now for the landmark structures, so we are
10:22:06 not really reinventing the wheel.
10:22:08 The other thing I did want to note is even though I'm
10:22:11 sucking formalizing this in a code, we have been doing
10:22:15 similar types of hearings informally.
10:22:22 We suggested to HPC that there have been notification
10:22:25 of certain districts on multiple property designations,
10:22:30 wasn't codified, wasn't required, the problem was there
10:22:34 were no standards to make those kinds of decisions, but
10:22:38 we, from more of a practical standpoint, made some
10:22:40 decisions, and I advised that it would be appropriate
10:22:42 to go ahead and use somebody informal means.
10:22:45 So this would actually be formalizing some things that
10:22:47 we are already doing using provisions in our code that
10:22:50 already exist, to hopefully get us back to a place
10:22:54 where this becomes a more collaborative process.
10:22:58 And that's the end of my present aches, if anybody has
10:23:01 any questions.
10:23:02 >>GWEN MILLER: Questions from council members?
10:23:06 This is a workshop.
10:23:07 We go to public comments.
10:23:09 Would anyone in the public like to speak?
10:23:21 >>JOHN GRANDOFF: Suite 3700 Bank of America Plaza.
10:23:27 I want to offer my comments this morning on the current
10:23:30 process and some of the ideas that Julia has proposed.
10:23:38 I'm not here as a specific advocate for any particular
10:23:41 property owner.
10:23:42 I'm here trying to make the process work more smoothly
10:23:45 and more productively.
10:23:47 I have some reflection beings I would like you to think
10:23:49 about going forward.
10:23:50 Essentially when you get into a historic designation
10:23:53 process, in an area which is what we are talking about
10:23:56 today, an area-wide designation, you are proposing a
10:23:59 regulation of property.
10:24:01 Anyway you slice it.
10:24:02 Annal additional regulation of property.
10:24:04 Other property owners may not be bearing on the city
10:24:07 because they may not be a historic type.
10:24:09 That type of process, in order to have deference to the
10:24:15 Constitutional protections, must be certain, it must be
10:24:19 definitive, it must be a due process.
10:24:22 That's where we get the word due process of law.
10:24:25 It cannot be perpetual drifting process that does not
10:24:29 have any end, nor any opportunity to be removed from
10:24:32 the process.
10:24:34 So I think it's important that at the beginning of a
10:24:36 process, where you are going to study an area, that a
10:24:39 letter go to all property owners, enunciating the exact
10:24:43 process that will be imposed upon them in this study of
10:24:47 the area.
10:24:48 And it would have defined dates of an information
10:24:54 meeting at a vent location where city officials can
10:24:58 explain to property owners exactly what is the
10:25:01 significant of the property and what may be to come as
10:25:05 far as the city's involvement in historic designate.
10:25:08 That letter should also provide an ultimate date when
10:25:10 those property owners may come before you as their
10:25:13 elected representatives and plain to you, petition
10:25:16 their government as to whether or not they want to
10:25:19 participate in the process or not participate in the
10:25:23 And you can make an informed decision as to whether to
10:25:26 go forward.
10:25:27 I liken this process to an area-wide rezoning.
10:25:32 Let's say you are going to do an area wide rezoning.
10:25:35 You go through the same process.
10:25:36 You notify the property owners by mail.
10:25:38 You have an information meeting.
10:25:39 You have a first public hearing to determine whether
10:25:41 you are going to do an area-wide rezoning and there's
10:25:44 finality to the process.
10:25:45 Homeowners can come forward and say whether they want
10:25:48 to remain in the zoning district they have or whether
10:25:51 they want the recommended zoning district, and you make
10:25:53 an informed legislative defensible decision.
10:25:57 That is not occurring right now.
10:25:58 What we have right now is an adversarial process with
10:26:02 really no entry point for the property owner, and it's
10:26:04 very difficult to give legal advice in that type of
10:26:08 I have represented many people in this process, and the
10:26:10 frequent question I have is, John, how do I get out of
10:26:14 Well, you get out when the city let's you out.
10:26:18 Well, when in I don't know.
10:26:20 And it just drifts along.
10:26:21 It's frustrating to preservation folks because they
10:26:23 can't get finality.
10:26:25 Frustrating to property owners because they can't get
10:26:28 Let me give you a real world situation that can very
10:26:30 wrestle happen in this case where there is a proposal
10:26:35 to designate a neighborhood and you have several
10:26:38 property owners wishing to refinance their homes in
10:26:40 these times.
10:26:41 Now, I think that a proposed historic designation of
10:26:43 property is a material condition of the property, no
10:26:47 different from a sinkhole in the backyard.
10:26:49 (Bell sounds)
10:26:50 May I continue?
10:26:50 I'll wrap up in about one minute.
10:26:52 No different from a leaky roof or a nonconforming lots.
10:26:56 You as the owner have got to disclose that to the buyer
10:26:59 or to your lender.
10:27:00 That's a material issue, because historic preservation
10:27:04 costs a significant amount of money, if you engage in
10:27:07 it correctly.
10:27:08 The process right now, a potential seller, doesn't know
10:27:12 what to tell the buyer or the lender what is going to
10:27:17 go on in the process and when it's over.
10:27:18 And the one thing that a capital market cannot tolerate
10:27:23 is uncertainty.
10:27:24 You have to have certain rules.
10:27:26 You have to have finality to have commerce.
10:27:28 And this is injecting uncertainty and unfinality into a
10:27:32 stream of commerce, simply a real estate transaction a.
10:27:35 I think we are moving forward towards more certainty.
10:27:38 But I think maybe a more defined process with an early
10:27:43 letter to folks to allow them to understand what is
10:27:45 going on and a way for them to come to you and decide
10:27:48 whether they want to participate or not participate
10:27:51 would be much better.
10:27:52 Thank you for your time.
10:27:53 >>GWEN MILLER: Thank you.
10:27:55 Anyone else like to speak?
10:28:09 >> Chairman Scott, members of City Council.
10:28:11 My name is Ann McDonaugh, and I live at 5605 Ninth
10:28:18 Street North in Seminole Heights.
10:28:19 I'm the chairman of the preservation committee for the
10:28:22 Old Seminole Heights neighborhood association.
10:28:25 I have been involved in preservation in this city for
10:28:27 more than 35 years beginning with the national register
10:28:32 designation of Hyde Park, something like 30 years ago.
10:28:40 In the past, these districts have been blighted areas
10:28:48 which have been revitalized by historic preservation.
10:28:54 Just in the past two years, three districts, three
10:28:59 historic districts within the City of Tampa have been
10:29:03 recognized, bringing honor to the City of Tampa in
10:29:09 national publications.
10:29:10 Those include Ybor City, Hyde Park, and Seminole
10:29:16 Last year Seminole Heights was named the best
10:29:18 neighborhood in the southeast in which to buy a home.
10:29:22 You are here today to review the preservation ordinance
10:29:27 and its prescribed by you elected officials of the
10:29:33 The designation process and the final determination of
10:29:37 a local district is yours to decide.
10:29:43 In current section 27 as it stands, it provides for
10:29:47 review based on certain criteria, for professional
10:29:52 recommendations and evaluation to this council from
10:29:56 staff, city legal and members of the ARC whose members
10:30:02 are appointed and approved by you.
10:30:07 It provides for review and analysis by the Planning
10:30:09 Commission, notice to each property owner of record,
10:30:16 public hearings to consider designation for input by
10:30:19 owners and other interested parties, and it also
10:30:23 provides a procedure for abatement, for any of those
10:30:29 property owners who wish not to be part of the process.
10:30:34 This process is determined by you, because you are
10:30:36 elected by the citizens of the city to make these
10:30:42 If you haven't reviewed this ordinance already, I call
10:30:45 your attention to the first page which lays out all of
10:30:49 the reasons why this ordinance was written.
10:30:54 It is City Council's findings on this page, selected
10:30:56 official of the city, the process itself must still
10:31:09 remain in your hands.
10:31:10 However, we welcome a more defined process to determine
10:31:14 what areas of this city should become historic district
10:31:17 and those which should not.
10:31:19 I thank you very much for your time.
10:31:23 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you very much.
10:31:23 Next speaker.
10:31:29 >> My name is Gayle Davis.
10:31:31 I live at 1203 east Mohawk Avenue in Kensington
10:31:35 terrace, one of the proposed historic district areas.
10:31:38 I have lived there for 26 years.
10:31:41 My husband and I moved there when Hampton terrace was
10:31:45 not a very nice area to live in.
10:31:47 It was pretty blighted as she was saying a lot of
10:31:52 places aren't but it ain't no more.
10:31:54 Now why?
10:31:54 Because the people have done what they want to do with
10:31:56 their homes, without any kind of regulations under
10:32:01 historic rules, any extra burden, any extra money they
10:32:05 have to put out.
10:32:06 They have just done it on their own such as myself.
10:32:09 I live in a 1926 bungalow.
10:32:11 My husband and I have done our best to keep it nice,
10:32:13 just like many other people.
10:32:14 The area has come up without all these regulations and
10:32:18 extra added burdens.
10:32:20 Now, to be fair to Ms. Cole, I'm reading over her
10:32:23 proposal, and I'm trying to understand, where do the
10:32:26 people get to vote?
10:32:27 Where is this?
10:32:28 Where is it listed in here that the actual property
10:32:32 owners have an actual real honest to goodness vote?
10:32:39 I want this; I don't want this.
10:32:42 I don't see this anywhere on here.
10:32:44 It just says including evaluation of participation by
10:32:46 affected property owners.
10:32:48 We already have that.
10:32:49 That's what's going on right now.
10:32:52 In fact, the HPC, which I might add our own appointed
10:32:59 officials unlike yourself where I don't have any
10:33:01 recourse to go vote these people out if I'm not happy
10:33:06 with them taking my considerations.
10:33:09 That's not fair.
10:33:10 I mean, the people need to have a right to be able to
10:33:13 say "I want my property changed" because it is going to
10:33:16 affect our property.
10:33:17 It affects bottom line money.
10:33:19 It's going to cost more money if a hurricane comes
10:33:22 through, or anything to change your windows, whatever.
10:33:27 And you will hear from these people that are pro.
10:33:29 Oh, we make up our own guidelines.
10:33:31 You decide for yourself.
10:33:32 And let me tell you that is not true and you can ask
10:33:35 Mr. Fernandez.
10:33:35 There is a big thick book called the secretary of
10:33:39 standard guidelines.
10:33:40 And that cannot be deviated from.
10:33:42 That is what you will have to live with.
10:33:44 I don't care what anybody says.
10:33:46 You make up your own guidelines.
10:33:48 That is not true.
10:33:49 The current regulations exists for the property owners
10:33:53 to have no real voice.
10:33:55 And the current system is messed up.
10:33:57 The people need to have a vote.
10:34:00 And the vote needs to happen before this whole process
10:34:04 starts moving along, where we don't have a say, where
10:34:07 we have to get up in front of people and say please,
10:34:09 please don't let my property become local historic
10:34:11 I don't want it.
10:34:14 We did that in front of the HPC last October.
10:34:17 Many of us got up there.
10:34:19 We went out and found out that over 51% of the property
10:34:22 owners do not want this.
10:34:24 I'm telling you, we did this because the neighborhood
10:34:30 association westbound Mrs. McDonaugh is on this
10:34:33 committee, we said look, we are not in agreement with
10:34:36 We live in the neighborhood.
10:34:37 Let the people have a vote.
10:34:38 Find out.
10:34:39 The neighborhood association said no, we are moving
10:34:41 forward with this.
10:34:42 We'll get the information out.
10:34:44 People will know.
10:34:45 They'll come to the public hearings.
10:34:46 But, no we are not going to let you have a vote.
10:34:49 And I'm like, what wrong with this system, with this
10:34:53 My own neighborhood association will not allow the
10:34:55 actual property owners to have a say with a real vote?
10:34:59 And however it lands, majority yes or no.
10:35:04 But let the people have a vote, a real vote, a vote
10:35:07 that counts, not wave in the front of people not to
10:35:11 have it.
10:35:11 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Let me raise a question before the next
10:35:14 Somebody from staff, from administration, legal,
10:35:19 We just got going through the Seminole Heights
10:35:22 community plan, and they had a vote.
10:35:26 Is that right?
10:35:30 Where is Ms. Coyle?
10:35:35 >>JULIA COLE: Ms. Coyle is right outside and she can
10:35:38 talk more about the form based process.
10:35:40 I don't think there's anything about referendum or
10:35:42 More of the collaboration of having people join in the
10:35:45 election phase of developing that process.
10:35:49 >>THOMAS SCOTT: I know in the county when they went
10:35:51 through the community based code and they actually
10:35:53 voted how they want to proceed and all that, and I
10:35:56 thought with the form based code there was a vote.
10:35:59 Is there a vote taken?
10:36:05 >>JULIA COLE: What Ms. Coyle is saying what they chose
10:36:08 through an open house process was different forms of
10:36:12 They didn't vote on whether or not they wanted to be
10:36:15 part of the overlay or not part of the overlay or part
10:36:18 of form-based code.
10:36:21 They just were involved in choosing what type of
10:36:27 development pattern and regulation they believe to be
10:36:29 So it wasn't an initial type of vote.
10:36:33 >> So likewise under the historic designation there is
10:36:36 no vote in.
10:36:37 >> There is no vote as part of the problem sees.
10:36:42 If I can take a moment.
10:36:43 What we did do in the last round when we amended the
10:36:46 code, as it relates to structures, we put in as part of
10:36:49 the process consideration of the owner's consent to
10:36:53 that designation.
10:36:55 And I describe the public participation being a
10:36:59 necessary component at the front end, not as an
10:37:03 election situation, but more from -- what we don't have
10:37:08 now, we would be able to codify, which is the level of
10:37:12 public participation having that be a factor in which
10:37:16 guides decisions which is what we did with the landmark
10:37:19 >> Under the proposal that you are presenting, is there
10:37:21 a vote?
10:37:23 >>JULIA COLE: I haven't really drafted the regulation
10:37:25 I do highlight that level of public participation is
10:37:29 part of what I am suggesting how we --
10:37:32 >>THOMAS SCOTT: You are talking about public
10:37:33 participation at the front end.
10:37:34 But right now you have not included a vote from the
10:37:38 community or neighborhood?
10:37:40 >>JULIA COLE: I haven't specifically put that in what
10:37:42 I'm suggesting.
10:37:43 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Let me follow up where another
10:37:45 And I am not sure about the city.
10:37:48 I know about the county.
10:37:49 When you decide to put in street bumpers or whatever
10:37:53 they call them, generally that there is a vote,
10:37:58 requires, I think, 51% of the neighborhood voting.
10:38:03 So do we do that with the city?
10:38:06 >>JULIA COLE: I don't think we do.
10:38:08 I am not familiar with any process we have in the city
10:38:10 that includes that kind of vote, and I was involved
10:38:12 with that at the county so I don't recall having -- I
10:38:15 just -- I can research that.
10:38:19 And as we move forward, coming back with regulation,
10:38:22 coming back with different suggestions as it relates --
10:38:27 >>THOMAS SCOTT: So you all are telling me that pretty
10:38:29 much if the community comes together, there's a public
10:38:34 meeting but there is actually no way of voting to gauge
10:38:38 whether I want to be involved or not?
10:38:41 Am I hearing that correctly?
10:38:43 >>JULIA COLE: The process as it stands today has
10:38:45 not -- anything in our code that requires or obligates
10:38:49 the city to do anything more than move forward with an
10:38:55 ordinance to designation a district with design
10:39:00 What I'm proposing is to add, prior to us going forward
10:39:07 through the ordinance to designate a district that we
10:39:12 have an entry point where public participation and the
10:39:15 interest of the neighborhood is part of that analysis.
10:39:19 I haven't defined what that means yet and what that
10:39:22 standard is, because I wanted to make sure that I was
10:39:24 even going in the right direction by having this in the
10:39:26 front end.
10:39:30 As we move forward to the drafting of the regulation,
10:39:32 how that ultimately -- the standards work for public
10:39:35 participation is part of your analysis, and I can come
10:39:39 back with different recommendations.
10:39:40 >> Okay.
10:39:43 Dennis, did you want to weigh in on this at all?
10:39:49 Or slide a question in, in response that I'm raising?
10:39:54 >> Dennis Fernandez: The only two points that I
10:39:59 venture on, the observation of the legal department and
10:40:06 noticing that there is the process is somewhat bottom
10:40:12 legged, and I believe if you look at the history of the
10:40:14 preservation program, there is actually individuals in
10:40:16 the audience who are actually involved in administering
10:40:19 this program for all of us here.
10:40:23 These type of areas that we were looking at with the
10:40:26 city are usually depressed areas, economically
10:40:28 challenged areas.
10:40:31 Preservation has grown, you know, there are less of
10:40:33 these areas that are economically challenged, although
10:40:37 there still are those areas.
10:40:40 We started to deal with a different model of
10:40:43 neighborhood in the 2000s, and neighborhoods that are
10:40:49 really experiencing development pressure.
10:40:56 You weren't necessarily having deteriorated houses, but
10:41:00 you may have a house in a neighborhood that was on two
10:41:03 And so a developer could go in and demolish that house,
10:41:07 and perhaps build two houses on that.
10:41:10 Or encroachment of businesses an whatnot would begin to
10:41:15 somewhat destroy the integrity of the neighborhoods.
10:41:19 And that's why you see there is somewhat of a shift
10:41:23 within the emphasis of the HPC at that point to really
10:41:28 ward off some of those pressures.
10:41:30 The process never really changed to allow for perhaps a
10:41:35 higher degree at the beginning, but initially a lot of
10:41:39 the local historic designations were initiated en masse
10:41:45 through the neighborhoods, and now it's become almost a
10:41:47 process by deferment, that the HPC exists, ARC exists,
10:41:53 that there are these processes that government has
10:41:55 assumed the responsibility for, that someone is doing
10:41:58 And that's what has happened.
10:42:02 So a process by which we have earlier input, more
10:42:05 formal noticing, you know, I don't have any distress
10:42:11 with that.
10:42:12 I still think we can necessarily have a God output.
10:42:16 I think having a very open and participatory process is
10:42:21 essential to the success of a designation.
10:42:24 On the second issue of a vote -- and I will just give
10:42:26 you a little background on why that has never been
10:42:29 done -- essentially because it was always felt, I
10:42:35 believe, that the authority should be with the city, if
10:42:38 there wags an area that the city felt was important,
10:42:42 essentially had a benefit to the city -- and this
10:42:45 doesn't -- a district doesn't need to be 400 buildings.
10:42:49 A district can be four buildings.
10:42:51 The national register defines a district as anything
10:42:54 three buildings or greater.
10:42:57 That you would essentially have the ability as the city
10:43:00 to come in and protect those buildings regardless of
10:43:03 the consent of the owner at that particular time,
10:43:07 ownership changes overtime.
10:43:09 The city would be able to come in and provide
10:43:13 protective ordinances to its historic resources, and
10:43:16 then set standards by which those resources would be
10:43:19 maintained in the future.
10:43:21 So at this point in the discussion I think that's what
10:43:23 I can offer as we go along.
10:43:27 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Councilwoman Mulhern.
10:43:29 >>MARY MULHERN: I'll wait.
10:43:30 But I did want to say, just to people -- and then we
10:43:34 need to hear from people that -- the public process
10:43:39 absolutely at this point does include this council,
10:43:43 your elected officials, voting on it.
10:43:46 So we are here to hear from you.
10:43:50 And we want to hear what you want in your neighborhood.
10:43:57 So I feel like we have got with this particular
10:44:00 neighborhood, it's become this really -- this battle
10:44:03 going on within the neighborhood, and within -- with
10:44:08 the city administration.
10:44:09 But we are just here to listen to you.
10:44:12 I don't want you to feel that you are here begging for
10:44:16 what you want for your neighborhood.
10:44:17 You are not begging.
10:44:18 You are telling us, and we are listening.
10:44:20 We are here to listen to you.
10:44:21 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Next speaker.
10:44:28 >>> Wesley Warren, the president of the Hampton terrace
10:44:31 neighborhood association.
10:44:33 Just to address what Mr. Fernandez says, the
10:44:35 neighborhoods make up this city.
10:44:38 And it's no longer blighted.
10:44:44 It's an excellent place to live.
10:44:46 I lived there over 40 years.
10:44:48 I was raised there.
10:44:49 I lived live there because I like it.
10:44:52 It has seen tough times.
10:44:53 But we have come back.
10:44:55 It's an excellent place.
10:44:58 What I would like to see on this proposed, right off
10:45:03 the top, I would like to see a vote by the property
10:45:06 owners, the people most affected by this.
10:45:08 Why waste the city's time, effort and money if the
10:45:11 property owners do not want this?
10:45:15 Now, three people from that area, from the then
10:45:19 neighborhood association, came downtown and said we
10:45:21 want this historic district to happen to us.
10:45:24 What they neglected to do was ask the property owners.
10:45:28 We removed that association now.
10:45:30 They are no longer in control of that area.
10:45:33 We went to every door in the neighborhood, knocked on
10:45:35 it, said what do you want?
10:45:38 I have a petition here signed by a majority of property
10:45:41 owners in Hampton terrace to unequivocally Tate they do
10:45:45 not want this.
10:45:48 Why waste the city's time, money and resources that the
10:45:51 property owners do not want it?
10:45:53 Put that first.
10:45:58 The people who pay taxes on that property.
10:46:00 The people who are responsible for maintaining that
10:46:04 The people who make up that neighborhood and again make
10:46:09 up this city.
10:46:10 I also might point out people who put you there.
10:46:13 Thank you.
10:46:13 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you.
10:46:16 Next speaker.
10:46:16 >> Good morning, Tampa City Council.
10:46:22 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Welcome back.
10:46:24 >> Thank you.
10:46:27 From the other side.
10:46:28 >>THOMAS SCOTT: I believe I recognize you.
10:46:29 [ Laughter ]
10:46:30 >> I'm Linda Saul-Sena, and I live at 157 Biscayne,
10:46:36 here this morning to talk to you about my confidence in
10:46:38 Tampa City Council.
10:46:39 I am confident that council can make these decisions
10:46:42 based on public input.
10:46:44 If you all start asking for votes on before rezonings,
10:46:48 before different things you do, I think it would be a
10:46:51 And I'm so pleased to say that all of the historic
10:46:57 districts in Tampa value, is so much greater than the
10:47:01 unprotected ones.
10:47:02 My first job is at the Planning Commission, and I wrote
10:47:06 the Hyde Park plan.
10:47:07 It was pretty broad in those days.
10:47:09 Now it's better than ever and its values are higher.
10:47:11 But that's not only true for Hyde Park.
10:47:14 It's true for Tampa Heights.
10:47:15 It's true for Seminole Heights.
10:47:16 It's true for all of the areas that we have protected.
10:47:20 And council has done that hearing from the public,
10:47:23 working collaboratively and I'm really confident that's
10:47:26 the best way to continue.
10:47:27 I think that Dennis made a lot of sense in what he said
10:47:30 to you and I encourage you not to go to a voting
10:47:32 process because then you will get to all kinds of the
10:47:34 neighborhood equivalent of hanging chads.
10:47:37 That's my encouragement for you all this morning.
10:47:39 And it's very nice to see you.
10:47:41 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Next speaker.
10:47:49 >> Laurel Lockett, 836 South Dakota.
10:47:54 I was on the HPC for six years and was involved with
10:47:58 staff and the redrafting of the current code.
10:48:01 And I just had a couple of quick points.
10:48:05 I did have a chance to discuss the conceptual approach
10:48:08 with Ms. Coyle.
10:48:09 I think it's a good one.
10:48:11 I think it's good to have the collaboration on the
10:48:12 front end.
10:48:13 The one thing I would point out to you -- and I think
10:48:16 you can get the sense of it from the comments so far --
10:48:20 that designation is a very emotional issue sometimes,
10:48:24 and I would hate to see a process that cuts out the
10:48:27 educational component.
10:48:31 It takes time to educate a neighborhood and to have
10:48:35 that collaborative process.
10:48:37 And if you have especially a vote on the front end,
10:48:40 whether or not you are going to have that discussion,
10:48:43 kind of throwing out the baby with the bath water.
10:48:45 It does take time.
10:48:46 So I like the concept.
10:48:47 I think 120 days is too short.
10:48:51 And then the other issue to sort of weave into this
10:48:55 somehow, having been on the HPC, a lot of times you end
10:48:58 up with a neighborhood saying, or member saying, I
10:49:02 might like it but I noticed to see the design
10:49:05 And it is not true that there is not negotiation on the
10:49:08 design guidelines.
10:49:09 For example, we have quite a row in Hyde Park when we
10:49:17 talked about screen enclosures on pool but ultimately
10:49:20 it was allowed.
10:49:21 So there is a balancing act that goes in with the
10:49:23 designation process and what's in the design
10:49:26 I just urge you not to cut off comments, or the
10:49:29 workshop process, work plan process too early.
10:49:33 Thank you.
10:49:33 >>THOMAS SCOTT: And I agree with that.
10:49:38 I was trying to wait till everybody got through to
10:49:41 But it's been my experience on this whole issue, you
10:49:47 have to have the public information session or theory
10:49:54 I have been around and I see where people started the
10:49:56 process, didn't like it, but going through it they
10:49:59 changed their whole mind about it.
10:50:00 And that's why it's important to educate and not take
10:50:04 the vote or whatever.
10:50:06 Now I don't say vote or don't vote.
10:50:09 I think there needs to be a way that you engage
10:50:12 everybody so they have input into the process.
10:50:14 But I think the education piece is very important,
10:50:16 because I have seen a lot of people when they started
10:50:18 out, they were absolutely totally against it until they
10:50:21 went through the educational process, and their whole
10:50:23 view did change.
10:50:26 I agree with that.
10:50:27 But at some point it needs to be where they do have,
10:50:30 once you educate people, once they have input, there's
10:50:33 got to be a way to gauge the community to be able to
10:50:35 come to some kind of consensus as to how to move
10:50:38 forward in terms of the designation.
10:50:40 Okay, next speaker.
10:50:42 Well, thank you very much.
10:50:45 >> My name is Byron Griffin, 1010 east Clifton street.
10:50:49 And I also have lived in Hampton terrace for
10:50:51 approximately 25 years and seen quite a transformation.
10:50:55 I pretty much came into the neighborhood when the local
10:50:57 historic designation process was working its way
10:51:02 through its exercises, if you will, on the west side of
10:51:06 the interstate, and I think it went fairly smoothly.
10:51:09 I think there might have been some opposition over
10:51:12 But I didn't see any huge opposition to the process as
10:51:16 it worked.
10:51:17 And I'm saying that I have faith in the City Council
10:51:21 and historic preservation, and I think they have been
10:51:23 doing this for years.
10:51:24 I think they are professionals and I think they know
10:51:27 how to handle this.
10:51:28 I think that ha it has gone relatively smoothly in most
10:51:31 of the historic districts that I have ever experienced.
10:51:36 I not maybe educated for the entire country but it
10:51:39 seems to have worked very well for the west side of
10:51:43 Seminole Heights, Hyde Park and other areas.
10:51:45 I have not heard of their lives being turned into
10:51:47 miserable situations because they are overburdened with
10:51:50 additional regulation.
10:51:52 And I would like to add also that harsh ton terrace is,
10:51:55 in my opinion, a very special place.
10:51:58 It is a place that has been looked at.
10:52:00 And I think there has been historic significance
10:52:03 recognized in it.
10:52:04 An it has already won a designation of national
10:52:08 historic register district, and I think that had a lot
10:52:12 to do with the pride that people started taking.
10:52:15 Although there was not much regulation -- as a matter
10:52:18 of fact, I don't think any regulation at all in a
10:52:23 national historic register district, I think the pride
10:52:26 really started catching on when people realized that
10:52:29 they were living in a neighborhood that was very
10:52:31 special and had unique offerings to the city.
10:52:34 And I commend you for recognizing that.
10:52:37 And I would like very much for you to proceed looking.
10:52:41 Now, as far as public input, I think that is crucial.
10:52:44 And looks like the plan here is making for that
10:52:49 opportunity for the people to be asked what they think
10:52:51 of what is going on.
10:52:53 And that effort was made before.
10:52:55 And you know as well as I that every house in the
10:52:58 neighborhood is flyered and invited to attend a public
10:53:03 You are going to be lucky to get maybe 10% of the
10:53:05 people that are actually going to show up.
10:53:07 But I think what it is going to give you is it is going
10:53:10 to give you the people who are really passionate about
10:53:13 where they live, the people who really want to invest
10:53:15 and make it a better place.
10:53:17 We did have that sort of a meeting.
10:53:20 And I think the people who were opposed or were
10:53:24 reluctant in not moving forward were probably in the
10:53:27 very, very small minority.
10:53:28 I think that by reaching out and encouraging everyone
10:53:32 to come forward, it be show of hands or what, I think
10:53:36 that's going to gauge the people who really are willing
10:53:38 to invest in this and move forward.
10:53:42 There are going to be some people who don't go along
10:53:43 with the program.
10:53:46 And I think that they need to be brought in as best
10:53:48 they can.
10:53:50 But I think that it is a beautiful process, and I trust
10:53:52 my City Council.
10:53:53 I want to thank Linda Saul-Sena for putting my words as
10:53:57 eloquently as she did. I'm very much in favor of
10:54:00 entrusting the historians to know what to do in a
10:54:03 historic district.
10:54:04 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you very much.
10:54:04 Next speaker.
10:54:07 >>> Good morning.
10:54:15 My name is LeAnn Green.
10:54:17 I live at 3406 north Avian Avenue.
10:54:24 Tampa Heights, as you heard us talk about all the time,
10:54:26 is the oldest suburb of the City of Tampa.
10:54:29 Housing in our community started building in the
10:54:36 So that's one thing we are very proud of.
10:54:38 In fact, when I came into Tampa Heights in the 1980s,
10:54:45 one of the things that we the residents did was
10:54:47 initiated our historic district with people like
10:54:52 Stephani Ferrell and others who are here today.
10:54:57 The residents themselves talking about efforts to try
10:55:00 to identify what we had, and to be able to get the
10:55:05 The City of Tampa eventually also caught up with us,
10:55:09 and then we got our local historic district.
10:55:12 Because we are the oldest neighborhood, we were able to
10:55:17 get the first neighborhood plan.
10:55:19 And one of the reasons that drove our neighborhood plan
10:55:21 was that we were having other developers who were
10:55:24 interested in our neighborhood, but were bringing other
10:55:29 kind of designs, structures, and we wanted to maintain
10:55:32 the historic aspect of our community.
10:55:36 For us the historic district has been very important.
10:55:38 It has played a very important role, and the residents
10:55:43 ourselves have initiated that.
10:55:45 In fact, I'll give a quick count.
10:55:47 This Sunday we are having our tour of homes, our
10:55:50 12th annual tour of homes which is a direct result
10:55:53 of advertising our historic districts and Shobe casing
10:55:57 those old homes which made people very interested, and
10:56:02 we have had over the years many new residents have come
10:56:06 into our neighborhood, selected to, purchased homes
10:56:10 because of our historic district and because it was
10:56:14 And so I don't like to see neighborhoods divided.
10:56:17 We work together.
10:56:20 There's got to be some middle ground where we could all
10:56:23 get to the point of agreeing.
10:56:24 And I think education early is a very important part.
10:56:29 Thank you so much.
10:56:29 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you very much.
10:56:30 Thank you.
10:56:35 >> Good morning, City Council members.
10:56:39 Councilman Scott, thank you for having this.
10:56:43 First thing -- well, councilman Scott already said most
10:56:49 of what I want to say.
10:56:50 People are afraid of education.
10:56:55 So Chairman Scott, thank you.
10:56:59 In Tampa Heights, I worked with the neighborhood as far
10:57:03 as the preservation and historic designation, the local
10:57:09 We worked pretty hard on that.
10:57:13 It's very, very crucial that that remains.
10:57:18 We want to make sure that remains.
10:57:20 However, we need to let everybody know what the project
10:57:25 is like, what the benefits are.
10:57:28 I have worked with Dennis.
10:57:30 I have helped residents in the neighborhood to get
10:57:33 There are moneys available.
10:57:35 There are different things that are available.
10:57:37 Yes, it's expensive sometimes to remodel or what have
10:57:41 But there are funds available.
10:57:43 There are low-cost loans.
10:57:45 There are different things that are there for us.
10:57:48 And I'm so glad you are having this workshop.
10:57:53 But we want you to remember that we put you here
10:57:56 because we trust you, that you are going to be looking
10:57:59 out for our neighborhood.
10:58:01 And with that I want to thank you. Carol Joseph
10:58:04 Marshall, Tampa Heights, 604 West Euclid.
10:58:12 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you.
10:58:12 Next speaker.
10:58:18 >> My name is Kim Hevland, and I live at 1001 East 24th
10:58:22 Avenue, in the VM Ybor area neighborhood.
10:58:24 I'm actually the president of the VM Ybor neighborhood
10:58:28 association and the first thing I guess I could like to
10:58:31 say as you all know historic districts are about
10:58:34 preserving our city's historic fabric, our historic
10:58:38 structures, and guiding potential redevelopment.
10:58:42 Many of these areas become, once they are designated to
10:58:45 become economic engines for future compatible sensitive
10:58:49 development, property owners, residents tenants come
10:58:53 and go.
10:58:54 But our historic structures, they stay.
10:58:56 Our cultural identity stays.
10:58:58 And our President Obama tension economic development of
10:59:02 those areas, that's the benefit of these local
10:59:08 The proposed process, the process that was described
10:59:10 today offers an early noticed opportunity for residents
10:59:15 to buy in and get educated about the process.
10:59:20 Once noticed officially by the city, every single
10:59:23 property owner gets that opportunity to come hear about
10:59:28 the process, get educated, voice their concerns, before
10:59:31 anybody on city staff committees a significant amount
10:59:35 of time to pushing the process forward.
10:59:38 That's, I think, incredibly beneficial.
10:59:42 In terms of a vote, unfortunately not all neighborhoods
10:59:45 have a majority of homeowners who live in the
10:59:49 Like mine, a lot of homeowners live out of state, live
10:59:53 beyond the city limits, and in that case a vote, you
10:59:58 are then asking folks that may not even come to the
11:00:04 area basis an opportunity to vote on this city's
11:00:07 architectural and historical ter heritage.
11:00:11 To me that does not make a lot of sense.
11:00:16 In summary, I would like to say, at the end of last
11:00:18 year and beginning of this year the VM Ybor
11:00:22 neighborhood association took two votes.
11:00:23 The first was to go ahead and just start the discussion
11:00:28 about possibly being much of a neighborhood in the
11:00:34 national historic district.
11:00:35 We wanted the opportunity to be considered for local
11:00:39 historic district.
11:00:40 We voted once to have that conversation.
11:00:42 We voted a second time to go and present to the
11:00:45 Historic Preservation Commission in May, which we did,
11:00:49 to request to be on the work plan.
11:00:51 And then city staff came and met with us in July where
11:00:55 all residents had the opportunity to ask questions and
11:00:58 start to get involved.
11:00:58 I think the process described today is an excellent
11:01:03 example of how to get communities buy in early in the
11:01:07 And I really don't feel a vote of all property owners
11:01:10 is necessary or required.
11:01:12 And I thank you for your time.
11:01:16 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Next speaker.
11:01:16 >> Good morning.
11:01:22 My name is Jim Quinn.
11:01:23 I live at 1230 east Comanche Avenue in Seminole
11:01:26 Heights, Hampton terrace subdivision.
11:01:31 I have been involved in the historic preservation of
11:01:33 not one but two major structures in West Tampa
11:01:35 including one at Tampa's famed cigar factories.
11:01:39 I know how difficult it is.
11:01:40 I also know how expensive it is.
11:01:43 I have faith in you as well.
11:01:44 I voted for many of you.
11:01:46 I also have faith in my neighbors.
11:01:48 If this group here was to tell each of you we are going
11:01:51 to make some rules about your home, and you don't have
11:01:54 a vote on it, I think would you be upset about it.
11:01:57 I know, I have a 27 bungalow I try to take care of
11:02:03 I am all for historic preservation.
11:02:06 I don't think anybody can honestly say, hey, this a
11:02:08 beautiful old building, I don't like it.
11:02:10 It's where you get that opportunity to make that
11:02:12 decision by choice.
11:02:14 We are not being given a choice.
11:02:16 Had I been given a choice or knock opt out Klaus clause
11:02:21 I would probably say I'm all for historic preservation.
11:02:24 I bought an older home.
11:02:25 But we are not being involved in that.
11:02:27 We are not even being asked.
11:02:28 In fact when we did try to ask questions we were told
11:02:31 to form our own group and go fight it.
11:02:35 I would like this council to possibly help me give me
11:02:37 my neighborhood back.
11:02:38 There's a neighbor in here that HIV lived next to for
11:02:41 15 years.
11:02:42 We don't even talk anymore.
11:02:45 The policies and the procedures of what's going on has
11:02:48 divided our neighborhood something first.
11:02:50 People don't talk anymore.
11:02:52 People have obtained attorneys.
11:02:57 We have porches we used to say hi to everybody, walked
11:03:00 to walk their dogs.
11:03:01 Hampton terrace isn't like that anymore.
11:03:03 It's a mess.
11:03:04 And the forced historic preservation is part of the
11:03:06 It used to be a bad area.
11:03:08 It's come along by itself.
11:03:09 I guess what I'm trying to say is the people have a
11:03:12 right to be heard about what's going to happen and
11:03:14 what's going to affect effect them.
11:03:17 My 80-year-old neighbor is not here today.
11:03:19 But I don't think she can afford the wood windows or
11:03:21 something that's in the design guidelines.
11:03:25 I ask that you people please listen to what the people
11:03:28 who live in the area, who are affected by it, hear what
11:03:32 they have to say.
11:03:32 It's important.
11:03:35 We have faith in you but we also have faith in our
11:03:38 An opt-out clause, a vote, something where we can
11:03:42 actually stand up and say, hey, it's my property.
11:03:44 I take care of it.
11:03:45 This is how I feel.
11:03:47 And again I thank you for taking the courage to bring
11:03:49 this up and look at this problem.
11:03:51 It is dividing neighborhoods something very, very
11:03:54 firstly and is a bad, bad thing.
11:03:56 Hopefully we can come to terms where everybody can
11:03:58 agree, everybody can have a say on it and we'll move
11:04:02 Thank you very much.
11:04:03 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you very much.
11:04:04 Next speaker.
11:04:06 >> Good morning, Mr. Chairman which the Scott and
11:04:13 council members.
11:04:13 My name is Stephani Ferrell.
11:04:15 As you most likely know I have been involved in
11:04:17 historic preservation for a long time.
11:04:19 Now recently for the last 13 years or so on the private
11:04:24 I would like to first say I think that Julia Cole's
11:04:29 proposal of they basically codifying from the
11:04:34 neighborhood is I think an excellent conceptual
11:04:37 approach and I would like to see that fleshed out.
11:04:40 And then I would also like to mention some of the past.
11:04:43 Hyde Park as you all probably know was the first
11:04:47 locally initiated local historic district.
11:04:51 I set that apart from the Ybor district which is
11:04:55 designated by the Florida legislature.
11:04:57 But the Hyde Park, that started with the Hyde Park
11:04:59 neighborhood members going to the mayor, then mayor
11:05:04 Martinez at the time, then to the historic preservation
11:05:07 board, which I directed at that time.
11:05:09 And so it was a neighborhood initiated program.
11:05:12 And it was not codified.
11:05:14 I can share with you that we spent many times at public
11:05:18 meetings, and council chambers, and in people's living
11:05:24 rooms to begin the educational process.
11:05:27 That was very, very important, because it would not
11:05:29 have happened if we didn't make that extra effort at
11:05:34 that point as I was a staff member, and then volunteers
11:05:38 were also involved in that educational process.
11:05:40 So it worked well because of that early education which
11:05:45 again was not codified, that set forth that process.
11:05:48 Likewise, in Seminole Heights and in Tampa Heights, it
11:05:52 was neighborhood initiate and the fact that Seminole
11:05:55 Heights, they wrote their historic district guidelines,
11:05:59 with some help from city staff and from the press
11:06:01 preservation board.
11:06:02 But they actually wrote it, photographed the
11:06:04 neighborhood, put together a lot of the graphics.
11:06:07 So it was something that rose up from them, and then we
11:06:10 provided the technical assistance.
11:06:15 One example of part of the educational process that I
11:06:18 think needs to happen is that there are preservation
11:06:23 not only loan programs that one of the other speakers
11:06:25 mentioned, but also there is the ad valorem property
11:06:27 tax exemption for the rehabilitation of historic
11:06:32 And that applies to both residential and commercial
11:06:36 So there can be a substantial savings for property
11:06:42 owners who rehabilitate their properties.
11:06:44 And in Tampa, I most recently looked at the millage
11:06:51 that it would save.
11:06:51 It saves about 1.7 mills of the 25 or so mills that
11:06:57 someone would pay on the increased value of the
11:07:00 property that results from the rehabilitation.
11:07:02 So a lot of people don't know that.
11:07:04 There are some financial benefits as well as the
11:07:07 intrinsic and more esoteric benefits of preservation.
11:07:10 And then there are also federal income tax credits for
11:07:13 the rehabilitation of income-producing properties.
11:07:17 And some of the neighborhoods have those both
11:07:19 residential and/or commercial.
11:07:24 So throws a lot of information that needs to be shared
11:07:26 and I urge you to take that into account.
11:07:28 Thank you.
11:07:28 >>MARY MULHERN: Can I ask you a question?
11:07:32 To get the ad valorem break and the commercial federal
11:07:39 tax relief, if you are designated national historic,
11:07:46 can you do that?
11:07:48 Or do you have to have a local designation to be able
11:07:51 to get those tax credits?
11:07:53 >> The federal income tax credits, basically, go with
11:07:59 or come with national register listing but the local
11:08:01 tax exemption comes with designation by City of Tampa
11:08:06 as either landmark or as a contributing building in a
11:08:09 locally designated --
11:08:11 >> Okay, you have to be designated locally?
11:08:13 >> Yes.
11:08:14 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you.
11:08:15 Next speaker.
11:08:18 >> Good morning, council.
11:08:19 I'm Becky Clark.
11:08:20 I live at 5139 south Nichols street.
11:08:23 I'm currently serving as president of Tampa
11:08:25 Preservation incorporated.
11:08:26 I think many of you have seen me at this podium many,
11:08:29 many times over many, many years.
11:08:33 I want to echo again -- and I know it sound like we are
11:08:36 beating a horse and we are all agreeing, but the
11:08:38 education component is crucial to this whole process.
11:08:42 Tampa Preservation has worked for 25 years, and that's
11:08:46 one of our main focuses is to educate the citizens of
11:08:49 our town about preservation.
11:08:51 There's been many conceptions expressed this morning.
11:08:58 The design guidelines are customize to the individual
11:09:03 Tampa Preservation is currently taking the preservation
11:09:06 of a house in Ybor City.
11:09:07 We are just going through the review process with the
11:09:10 And there's a lot of flexibility in materials and
11:09:15 processes and things you can do that are not
11:09:17 prohibitively expensive.
11:09:20 So that education process is crucial.
11:09:23 And I would just like to really encourage you to do
11:09:26 I think I really want to echo Ken Hevland spoke about
11:09:36 the resources.
11:09:37 These areas give our community the identity.
11:09:42 We don't want to live in a glass menagerie of
11:09:46 We want to have these unique character structures in
11:09:48 our neighborhoods and in our town.
11:09:50 So I encourage you to remember that, that it is a
11:09:53 community value, not just a property owner's value.
11:09:56 Thank you.
11:09:56 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you.
11:10:04 This will be our last speaker.
11:10:05 We have to move to our next workshop.
11:10:07 >> My name is Alan Dotson, 5111 north Suwannee Avenue
11:10:13 in the historic district of Seminole Heights.
11:10:15 I guess could you say I'm a practicing professional
11:10:17 that has done a lot of work in Seminole Heights and
11:10:20 Hyde Park in Tampa Heights as well.
11:10:22 I was part of the original Seminole Heights historic
11:10:26 preservation committee as it was originally called, the
11:10:29 neighborhood association.
11:10:30 But I would like to reiterate again what Linda and Ken
11:10:34 said about the voting.
11:10:37 There shouldn't have to be voting to do a work plan
11:10:40 because the whole purpose of a work plan is to educate
11:10:42 I think that's the most important thing.
11:10:47 And there's been a lot of misrepresentation.
11:10:49 I heard something said, you know, that I can't afford
11:10:52 to put wood windows in my house.
11:10:54 That is not necessarily true.
11:10:56 All those kind of things get fleshed out in the design
11:11:01 guidelines and that's part of the discussion I assume
11:11:03 during the work plan for things that are important
11:11:05 fought to the neighborhood are discussed, and agreed
11:11:07 upon, and things that are not important.
11:11:10 Peg, Seminole Heights, you are not allowed to have a
11:11:13 front yard fence.
11:11:15 As a whole they decided they would like front yard
11:11:19 fences in their neighborhood.
11:11:21 So these guidelines do not restrict you from doing
11:11:25 things to your house unless it's inappropriate to the
11:11:29 And if it affects the neighborhood of the value of
11:11:34 everyone else's property and that's what Ken mentioned
11:11:37 about how much these preservation guidelines protect
11:11:40 our historic resources.
11:11:45 And then Mr. Grandoff mentioned about having possibly
11:11:50 having to notice people if you are in a historic
11:11:52 This is a change of zoning.
11:11:54 I don't think you have to notify people nowadays what
11:11:57 zoning district you are in.
11:11:58 So whatever zoning district you are in, then overlay
11:12:01 district there is, that's part of the public record.
11:12:04 In the end I think it's a benefit to the properties in
11:12:11 the districts.
11:12:12 One thing I would like to say, another
11:12:15 misrepresentation was the secretary standards are this
11:12:18 big old book of regulations.
11:12:20 It's ten the criteria.
11:12:22 It's very simple.
11:12:23 And the interpretation is in the design guidelines for
11:12:30 the area as a whole.
11:12:33 >>THOMAS SCOTT: We certainly thank all of you for your
11:12:35 participation and your involvement today.
11:12:37 Councilman Miranda?
11:12:39 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: As I sat here and gone to the office
11:12:42 a couple times and watched it on television, one
11:12:44 reference was made to you don't do this be in zonings.
11:12:49 That's altogether different.
11:12:50 Totally different between historical and a zoning
11:12:55 application before the council.
11:12:59 When you have a zoning, you focus -- a sign is posted
11:13:03 and within 250 feet as the crow flies you send out
11:13:10 registered letters.
11:13:13 Just a second, let me state and then you can come after
11:13:20 The people that live within 200 feet, 50 feet, or 5,000
11:13:24 feet certainly have the right to come before this
11:13:26 council and state their opinion before a vote is taken
11:13:31 on whether to deny or approve that zoning.
11:13:33 That's not the case here
11:13:35 So there's two different criteria being used as one.
11:13:39 And it's like mixing oil and water.
11:13:42 The thing that bothers me the most is that a
11:13:46 neighborhood is now -- not speaking to each other at a
11:13:55 That's not good for a city.
11:13:56 That's not good for a neighborhood.
11:13:57 That's not even good for the neighbors.
11:14:00 When you start that process, creates hardship, credits
11:14:06 anger, and we have enough of that already without
11:14:08 adding anymore.
11:14:13 It is very difficult to feel left out if you don't have
11:14:19 a procedure of procedures at which you can apply
11:14:21 yourself at the beginning.
11:14:22 And what's so bad about having a vote?
11:14:26 In essence, you have a vote, and you have a zoning.
11:14:29 The vote is here, the seven, get a majority of four it
11:14:36 So I'm not opposed to votes.
11:14:37 Votes is what made this country what it is.
11:14:40 Independent from the rest of the world and different.
11:14:44 It's a process that gives those the right to understand
11:14:49 what we seven say and do.
11:14:52 Sometimes they approve us, sometimes they don't approve
11:14:57 of us.
11:14:57 But the process that it is, I have gotten 5 e-mails
11:15:01 today from different residents.
11:15:03 And I heard one when ways in the back there were 500
11:15:06 that signed a petition.
11:15:07 That created the hardship in this neighborhood.
11:15:11 As I read some of these e-mails it said that only three
11:15:13 individuals -- this is in the e-mail so I have to take
11:15:18 it as truth -- were the ones that were responsible for
11:15:21 creating this.
11:15:22 I'm not saying this.
11:15:23 I'm saying what the e-mail says.
11:15:27 And it talks about different things, each one is a
11:15:29 little different.
11:15:30 I think there's two basically the same.
11:15:33 So it must have been two neighbors that spoke to each
11:15:37 So what I'm saying is that these processes have to
11:15:40 I commend Julia Cole for coming up with some changes.
11:15:44 But somewhere along the line, the most property rights,
11:15:50 I believe it.
11:15:51 I also believe in historical preservation.
11:15:54 However, when these things come about, and put in and
11:16:03 codified in the record, and say, okay, this is
11:16:05 happening, now that is what is going to be, there is no
11:16:07 way, not even God can change that.
11:16:11 I recall.
11:16:12 Am I correct or wrong in.
11:16:13 >>JULIA COLE: Legal department.
11:16:16 The way our process works today, there really is no
11:16:19 formalized entry point into the work plan process, nor
11:16:24 is there a formalized exit from the work plan process.
11:16:27 That's what I'm recommending, is a more formalized
11:16:30 entry point, a more formalized exit point, prior to
11:16:35 expending resources.
11:16:36 But the way it is now, you are in forever.
11:16:41 You can't get out.
11:16:51 I don't blame you for not getting in the fracas here.
11:16:55 What I am trying to say is, this is a government of
11:16:59 laws an votes an always has been, hopefully always will
11:17:02 be, you know.
11:17:03 And it's incumbent upon us to realize for every action
11:17:12 there's a reaction.
11:17:13 Look at the action that was taken and look at the
11:17:15 reaction that happened.
11:17:16 Not good.
11:17:17 People don't speak to each other.
11:17:18 Necessity don't they don't see each other in the
11:17:21 grocery store and say hi.
11:17:27 It's not good to live that way.
11:17:29 It's not good for the neighborhood and it's certainly
11:17:31 not good for the city.
11:17:33 That brings animosity.
11:17:36 That brings conflict.
11:17:38 And there's enough of that without us creating any
11:17:45 Do I have an answer?
11:17:47 The only answer is for the neighbors to make up.
11:17:55 I can't fix everything that goes wrong.
11:17:58 I would like to.
11:17:58 But even I can be wrong.
11:18:02 So the process that you started is certainly a good
11:18:04 one, but you have an entry point and an exit point.
11:18:08 But do you have a vote?
11:18:10 Because even in zonings, we vote.
11:18:12 >> I haven't put down specifically what the standards
11:18:21 are, and the participation process, and how that's
11:18:29 I was simply suggesting an entry point and exit point
11:18:31 on an early stage.
11:18:32 I think through our land use process, changing our text
11:18:38 amendments, I can certainly bring forward somebody
11:18:40 different options for how we define what is necessary
11:18:45 to make a decision.
11:18:48 As to whether or not you enter into the study process
11:18:50 or don't enter into the study process, and would like
11:18:53 the opportunity to take some time to flush out the
11:18:57 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Since you are the only attorney here
11:18:59 I can put you on the spot.
11:19:00 But this has already happened.
11:19:02 This is something that was yesterday.
11:19:04 It's happened.
11:19:06 And this is going to end up, from what I see, and the
11:19:14 more conflict of lawsuits, I want to get out, I want to
11:19:16 stay in, who are you to tell me what to do on my
11:19:19 property, that kind of stuff.
11:19:22 So is there any way that you could research this and
11:19:25 come back and tell us an opinion, can you change this?
11:19:30 Like I said earlier, God can't change what happened.
11:19:32 >> Well, I'm comfortable we can create a process that
11:19:37 requires a public hearing, and a decision by City
11:19:41 Council as to what the study area is, and I'm
11:19:46 comfortable that legally you can set forth parameters.
11:19:49 What I would want to research is especially as relates
11:19:52 to the public participation part of this, what the
11:19:55 parameters are in terms of vote versus standards.
11:20:04 That I haven't really gotten to was research at this
11:20:07 I simply wanted to provide a process at the front end.
11:20:14 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Since it was mentioned it was like a
11:20:16 zoning issue, then why don't we treat it like a zoning
11:20:19 issue to some degree?
11:20:21 >>JULIA COLE: Well, we do treat it as a zoning issue.
11:20:25 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: But without a vote.
11:20:26 >>JULIA COLE: For the actual designation of the
11:20:30 That is a fully noticed -- we treat it as a rezoning.
11:20:35 Mr. Grandoff mentioned we treat it like an area
11:20:38 But that would be legally how we treat it.
11:20:41 What I'm suggesting is prior to going to the point of
11:20:46 noticed public hearing where you are presented with an
11:20:49 up or down vote on the designation of a district that
11:20:54 you are -- that City Council make a decision on the
11:20:58 study area part of it.
11:20:59 It's almost like the planned part of it versus the
11:21:02 zoning part of it.
11:21:03 I see this as more eh kin to the planning portion of it
11:21:06 than the zoning portion of it.
11:21:10 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: And I agree that we have not been
11:21:11 the best Courier or message to the administration by
11:21:14 saying do this.
11:21:15 Do what?
11:21:16 How do you do it?
11:21:17 What is it you want done?
11:21:19 We just send these things out and we expect them to
11:21:21 know what we want done, and they don't.
11:21:24 So I agree with you and apologize to staff at the same
11:21:26 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Okay.
11:21:29 Councilwoman Mulhern.
11:21:30 >>MARY MULHERN: Yes.
11:21:35 I think the best thing I heard today was about the
11:21:38 education process, and especially after reading all of
11:21:42 the e-mails we got, I think both sides need to listen
11:21:48 to each other, too, because I'm hearing things today
11:21:53 that I haven't heard before.
11:21:55 So I haven't heard that, you know, the neighborhood
11:22:05 gets to have the input in the design guidelines.
11:22:07 So a lot of things I have been hearing today from
11:22:10 advocates of historic preservation and from our
11:22:14 historic preservation staff and legal is that there are
11:22:16 some misperceptions and some of the absolute opposition
11:22:22 to having historic designations may not be -- there may
11:22:31 be room here to have a discussion.
11:22:33 It does really sound like things have gotten really bad
11:22:37 where discussion isn't happening, and nobody is
11:22:39 learning from each other on this.
11:22:41 And I think in general the perception is that historic
11:22:46 preservation is really expensive, and its burdensome,
11:22:51 and I don't think all of that perception can be
11:22:58 So I think that on both sides we really need to look at
11:23:01 that, and if we want to continue to designate
11:23:06 neighborhoods historic, we need to address those
11:23:10 problems, because you can designate it.
11:23:14 But if people can't afford to adopt the practices to
11:23:18 make the district historic, eventually it's not going
11:23:22 to become a better neighborhood.
11:23:26 So I find it -- and I need to be educated, too, and
11:23:32 especially with not having Linda on council anymore, we
11:23:36 all need to do more research and maybe meet with you
11:23:41 more and find out, because we used to be able to count
11:23:44 on someone on council just explaining things to us.
11:23:46 But what I would like to hear from, or suggest, is that
11:23:58 our staff needs to meet more with this particular
11:24:01 neighborhood if we are in this process, right?
11:24:06 Are we in the process with Hampton terrace?
11:24:09 >>JULIA COLE: We are in a process where they have been
11:24:11 placed on the work program, and staff has met with
11:24:17 them, but they haven't moved forward into the phase yet
11:24:20 where we have developed design standards and brought it
11:24:25 forward for a determination of in essence the area-wide
11:24:33 type rezoning to create the district.
11:24:34 And that, I think, is part of what I am trying to
11:24:39 We have done it informally but actually a more
11:24:42 formalized process, so that we are not languishing.
11:24:46 >> I see what you are saying.
11:24:47 So this to me looks and sounds like a good process if
11:24:53 we can have the good faith from both sides from the
11:24:55 city and from the neighborhood, then you are willing to
11:25:01 participate in this process and be open to hearing and
11:25:11 We are being told you can contribute to these design
11:25:13 I would like to think that you would be willing to
11:25:18 investigate that and find out, because we have very
11:25:22 specific things that people were opposed to on this.
11:25:26 If your answers -- some of your answers can be allayed,
11:25:31 and maybe you feel you have answered them and you are
11:25:33 not happy with them but I think legal has created a
11:25:38 good process here for the public input so that you can
11:25:41 contribute to that.
11:25:43 And I do think -- I'm not sure exactly what Mr. Miranda
11:25:49 was getting at, councilman Miranda, about the vote,
11:25:52 because I see on this new process, noticed public
11:25:55 meeting for City Council for final inclusion on work
11:26:00 Has that already happened so we are not going to be
11:26:03 able to do that?
11:26:04 So we can still have that happen?
11:26:05 >>JULIA COLE: That's what I am recommending that you
11:26:08 actually --
11:26:09 >>MARY MULHERN: So that's the new process.
11:26:11 So I think that's great.
11:26:12 I think this looked good.
11:26:14 And I would like to see you come forward with it.
11:26:16 And as far as the neighborhood associations voting,
11:26:21 that doesn't happen in any of our processes, our
11:26:25 rezoning, our land use.
11:26:26 People come here and we can have 100 people in this
11:26:30 We can have a huge, huge majority not wanting
11:26:33 something, and it can still pass.
11:26:37 So I think the perception that we are somehow making
11:26:44 historic designations different, I don't think that's
11:26:47 It's council who votes on making those determinations,
11:26:50 and that's what makes our life difficult, those
11:26:54 quasi-judicial votes that we have to take.
11:26:58 Where we end up getting sued, which is happening all
11:27:01 the time, as Mr. Grandoff is always happy to be here to
11:27:09 Lee mind us.
11:27:11 So this looks good to me.
11:27:12 I would like to direct and to ask staff, legal, to go
11:27:20 forward and work on this new process.
11:27:27 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Okay, Councilwoman Capin.
11:27:30 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Thank you, chairman.
11:27:31 I'm here.
11:27:34 I see the third step within 120 days, HPC
11:27:39 administrators, that meeting with affected property
11:27:42 owners to provide program and process information.
11:27:45 That's the education part, correct?
11:27:52 So not too far down the line is where the education
11:27:56 comes in.
11:28:01 That seems to me to be close enough.
11:28:09 For the property owners and the, again, effected
11:28:14 property owners to come in and be informed of the
11:28:16 process and the program.
11:28:22 So I do like what you are trying to streamline very
11:28:30 And I think it will answer a lot of what we are hearing
11:28:35 Thank you.
11:28:36 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Well, let me just say that we heard a
11:28:40 lot of testimony today and a lot of comments by
11:28:48 That's pretty accurate.
11:28:50 I will only say that given where I have been in my
11:28:53 experience, it is always important to engage the
11:28:55 community and get a feel from the neighborhood what
11:28:57 they want.
11:28:59 And whether you want to vote or don't vote, there has
11:29:02 to be a way to engage them to find out what it is that
11:29:05 they desire.
11:29:06 And it can't be just in the neighborhood of several
11:29:09 hundred people, that three people come in and determine
11:29:12 That's not acceptable.
11:29:14 It has to be a way for that neighborhood is engaged,
11:29:18 and they have input.
11:29:21 And the way you vote, don't vote.
11:29:24 Now, as to the issue of voting, don't you all say that
11:29:29 we never took voting.
11:29:31 Because every zoning issue that comes before us, one of
11:29:33 the first things that happens, does your neighborhood
11:29:37 association vote on this be?
11:29:38 They come before us saying, this neighborhood voted on
11:29:41 this, it was five against and one for and all that.
11:29:44 That happens every time we have a zoning issue.
11:29:47 Every time.
11:29:48 So we can't say that there's no voting.
11:29:51 That's not accurate.
11:29:52 And we asked, well, how did T.H.A.N. know about it?
11:29:56 Did T.H.A.N. take a vote on it?
11:29:59 That happens almost every public meeting we have.
11:30:03 So don't say we don't take a vote.
11:30:07 Just the other day, Councilwoman Miller said, I am
11:30:10 opposed unless there's a way to engage the neighborhood
11:30:14 as well as they want this issue.
11:30:18 Is that right?
11:30:18 Councilman Miranda backed it up.
11:30:20 And so now those that want community gardens, there has
11:30:24 to be a way for them to have input, as I recall if it
11:30:29 don't go forward.
11:30:30 So don't say that we can't do it.
11:30:33 And I'm not saying you need to do it or don't need to
11:30:36 do it.
11:30:37 What I'm saying is there needs to be a process in place
11:30:40 that the community is satisfied and be able to engage
11:30:44 their input.
11:30:46 Ms. Cole, I think you are off to a good start.
11:30:49 I think we need to wait now and see what you are going
11:30:52 to bring back in terms of recommendation, how are you
11:30:54 planning to engage the neighborhood relative to the
11:30:58 Because the last thing that we want is for government
11:31:01 to go into a neighborhood and do something and divide
11:31:04 the community.
11:31:04 I'm not saying we do that in this case.
11:31:07 I'm saying we don't want that.
11:31:08 We want neighbors to be able to speak to neighbors, we
11:31:11 want them to get along and all that.
11:31:13 And something that is inherently wrong, when I can't
11:31:16 speak to my next door neighbor, that's not good.
11:31:20 And that's from the preacher side of me, the pastor
11:31:24 side that is important for us to be able to
11:31:26 communicate, be able to relate, be able to get along
11:31:30 with one another.
11:31:32 At the same time, I'm a firm believer, you can disagree
11:31:34 without being disagreeable.
11:31:43 I can disagree with you and we still get along.
11:31:45 Is that right?
11:31:47 Disagreeable is when I don't agree at all, and because
11:31:50 I don't greet you I am not going to speak to you no
11:31:56 You are house can be on fire and I am not going to call
11:31:58 the fire department.
11:31:59 That's the wrong attitude.
11:32:01 I think it's important for us to be able to relate to
11:32:04 each other, to be able to disagree and understand why
11:32:07 we disagree and be able to move forward together.
11:32:09 Okay in anything else?
11:32:11 What action do we need to take today, Ms. Cole?
11:32:14 >>JULIA COLE: Well, what I will go ahead and do is
11:32:20 draft some regulations along with what I had given to
11:32:22 you today.
11:32:23 That would need to be in your January chapter 27 text
11:32:26 amendment cycle.
11:32:28 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Do we need to make a motion on that?
11:32:31 >>JULIA COLE: That I think would help.
11:32:33 >>: So moved.
11:32:34 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Been moved and seconded.
11:32:36 All in favor?
11:32:38 >>JULIA COLE: The only other thing I did want to say
11:32:41 is I think since we are revisiting the way we are going
11:32:44 to deal with this process, I am going to go ahead and
11:32:47 make the recommendation to staff that they don't
11:32:50 proceed forward until we have all this finalized and
11:32:59 get everybody on the same foot.
11:33:01 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Any other we need to take now?
11:33:03 Again thank you very much for coming today and making
11:33:06 your voices heard.
11:33:09 I think City Council really listened to you today.
11:33:11 Thank you very much.
11:33:12 Have a great day.
11:33:14 And we are going to lose council in a minute.
11:33:16 We can hold the noise down as you exit, please.
11:33:23 Item 5.
11:33:29 That's the TECO and the city in terms of how they are
11:33:34 implementing the recommendation from the conservation
11:33:40 task force.
11:33:40 Excuse me.
11:33:41 [Sounding gavel]
11:33:43 Council is still in session.
11:33:44 Council is still in session.
11:33:45 If you will exit out please quietly so we can continue
11:33:48 our business.
11:33:48 We will appreciate that very much.
11:33:50 Thank you so much.
11:34:55 >>THOM SNELLING: Good morning.
11:34:56 It's a pleasure to be here.
11:34:57 My name is Thom Snelling, growth management development
11:34:59 services, City of Tampa green officer.
11:35:04 I'm here today to speak on item number 5 workshop
11:35:07 number 5.
11:35:09 Council had asked that we report back on some of the
11:35:13 implementation strategy of the task force
11:35:16 That's what we are going to do today.
11:35:18 The first thing I would like to very quickly talk about
11:35:21 is how we got to the task force.
11:35:26 And what you have in your packet in front of you that I
11:35:28 just handed out to everybody is you have the actual
11:35:30 final recommendations of the task force which you have
11:35:32 seen before.
11:35:34 You also have the collaborative efforts.
11:35:40 Mr. Gordon Gillette will speak after me in his portion
11:35:42 of the presentation and some of that will look
11:35:47 In your packet the residential and commercial
11:35:49 conservation programs that TECO has, and then the
11:35:53 fourth item has the strategies that were developed by
11:35:56 TECO, and how TECO can respond back to some of these
11:36:01 recommendations and what they indeed would be able to
11:36:03 bring to the table.
11:36:13 As the task force was going forward a number of
11:36:31 policies and programs that the city should expand upon
11:36:35 continue were included in the recommendation, and I
11:36:36 will go over those briefly.
11:36:38 You do have that.
11:36:41 On page 1, the I sent that to you and I just have a
11:36:47 reminder packet there.
11:36:49 But the first recommendation has to do with continuing
11:36:54 implementing energy conservation, conserving practices.
11:36:57 We do have items in the zoning code that speak to
11:37:01 energy conservation, lead equivalency, the task force
11:37:06 recommended to try to expand upon that program so that
11:37:09 when included that in here.
11:37:10 The second portion had to do with neighborhood
11:37:12 stabilization to include energy conservation language
11:37:16 in there, and we currently have in our RFP that we send
11:37:20 out the construction language, language that talks to
11:37:22 energy conservation, also our affordable housing design
11:37:25 guidelines have a whole list of energy conservation
11:37:28 energy savings programs included and actually give
11:37:30 additional points for doing that type of thing in the
11:37:33 RFPs that we send out and the neighborhood strategy for
11:37:36 stabilization program.
11:37:38 The third one had to do with energy efficiency and
11:37:41 facilities management.
11:37:43 And the city is continuing that effort.
11:37:46 Currently, we have about 16 buildings that already have
11:37:52 energy management systems.
11:37:53 We have ten more through our regular capital
11:37:55 improvement program, and there are three additional
11:37:57 ones that were recently funded.
11:37:59 Downfall approved the resolution just last week for
11:38:02 over a million dollars to upgrade three buildings, this
11:38:07 building included Tampa Police Department and the
11:38:09 headquarters for Tampa Fire Rescue downtown as well.
11:38:11 So those three will be the newest to get the most
11:38:14 state-of-the-art energy management systems.
11:38:18 The fourth recommendation is to continue with energy
11:38:25 And as I said, we have engaged the services of an
11:38:32 energy services corporation to come through and
11:38:33 evaluate and they have already worked with about --
11:38:36 they have been engaged and they have looked at six of
11:38:39 our major facilities, continuing on a regular basis
11:38:42 with the departments, and they will craft what they
11:38:44 hope believe will be a very long-term broad-based
11:38:49 energy conservation package that the city can take
11:38:51 advantage of.
11:38:51 Once that happens, we will be able to see where that
11:38:54 will take us and where we can go from there to maximize
11:38:56 the energy efficiencies of square buildings.
11:39:00 The fifth is a greenhouse gas.
11:39:01 Council has been aware of this for a long time.
11:39:03 Again, we signed a resolution.
11:39:05 We uploaded the purchase order this morning.
11:39:09 And we will be meeting with the company we have
11:39:12 selected to undertake that study.
11:39:13 That's going forward very well for us.
11:39:15 The next one is expanding the solar -- use of solar
11:39:19 power, cells and water heaters.
11:39:23 TECO energy has a program they have in front of the
11:39:25 public services commission to expand the program as
11:39:27 well as some of their existing programs.
11:39:32 He may touch on that in his presentation as well.
11:39:34 The next one is ongoing energy work with TECO and some
11:39:39 of the strategies that we developed after in response
11:39:43 to the recommendations is part of that process to go on
11:39:47 and we will continue to do that.
11:39:50 What I will ask you to do if you wanted to, if you
11:39:52 switch to the document that says existing actions and
11:40:03 We just reviewed that.
11:40:04 But this kind of shows what the recommendation was, and
11:40:08 some of the implementation strategy that TECO said that
11:40:11 they could help bring to the table to implement some of
11:40:27 Basically, these were the actions to be pursued.
11:40:33 And first and foremost, I wanted to make sure you
11:40:36 understand that these are items that we are pursuing.
11:40:39 We want to pursue.
11:40:40 We have varying stages of different kinds of things.
11:40:45 We are working with TECO.
11:40:46 But bear in mind it does talk and specify all of these
11:40:50 actions, if it requires additional if it requires
11:40:54 additional programs from TECO are subject to the
11:40:57 Florida service commission approval, and we want to
11:40:59 make sure that people recognize, that is what governs
11:41:01 how they participate in the programs.
11:41:05 To a greater or lesser degree.
11:41:08 If you look at it as number 8, again expanding the low
11:41:12 income weatherization program.
11:41:14 He will talk about some of the expansions in your
11:41:16 listing you have, where they have expanded some of
11:41:18 those programs to include additional weatherization
11:41:22 Number 9 was to establish a dedicated funding source.
11:41:26 And if you look at number 9, number 11 and number 12,
11:41:31 each of those really establish aggressive community
11:41:38 outreach program and operation program, marketing
11:41:40 program, and the various strategies, the thought
11:41:43 process here whereas TECO does have a bit of a
11:41:48 dedicated funding source, they do have money for that,
11:41:52 the thought was to expand that and to expand the
11:41:54 partnerships that we have.
11:41:55 Members of the TECO task force throughout the course of
11:41:57 the meeting said that they would be very interested in
11:42:00 participating in some of those partnerships.
11:42:03 So we plan to expand that and to include and to really
11:42:05 involve some of those members as well as other
11:42:07 partnerships in the community to really work on
11:42:09 outreach and marketing and identifying other kinds of
11:42:13 programs where there's a person to person outreach or
11:42:16 through a church, we'll need a number of people to
11:42:21 participate in those programs.
11:42:25 Item number 0 to go back for a second talks about
11:42:29 And how the city and TECO work together to make sure
11:42:32 that trees are treated with a greater sensitivity.
11:42:38 We have had some recent successes on that, and the
11:42:41 Parks Department has gone out on a numerous occasions
11:42:43 over the past few months meeting with TECO and helping
11:42:46 to explain a bit of a better trimming process which
11:42:50 they have done.
11:42:51 Parks Department has gone out a number of times.
11:42:57 Also recently on Tampa Bay Boulevard they made a
11:43:00 decision to underground the power lines which was a
11:43:02 very big deal.
11:43:04 It saved a lot of trees.
11:43:05 They didn't have to bother trimming so they went
11:43:08 Only trimming what was necessary.
11:43:09 But again, not to act like everything -- that's not
11:43:15 more work to do, because there is, it's an ongoing very
11:43:19 dynamic process that wave to continue the communication
11:43:23 process in order to continue to make that happen.
11:43:25 I am going to go ahead up to item 13.
11:43:38 Which talks about selecting a not-for-profit to with
11:43:41 the start-up of the low income energy retrofit program
11:43:45 that would mimic "Paint Your Heart Out" program.
11:43:47 The reality is the "Paint Your Heart Out" program is
11:43:50 funded exclusively by not for profit that put that
11:43:53 together and takes the burden to organize everybody to
11:43:55 participate in that program.
11:43:58 And we see the opportunity there to engage additional
11:44:00 members of the task force or their community partners
11:44:03 to make those kinds of things happen and to identify
11:44:07 where you can reach a higher percentage of the homes
11:44:09 and businesses to participate in weatherization.
11:44:14 Again, this has a lot to do with education.
11:44:15 You are going to find an educational marketing outreach
11:44:20 theme in a number of these recommendations as you take
11:44:22 a look at them.
11:44:24 In, number 14 recommendation had to do with
11:44:29 establishing neighborhood energy or sustainability road
11:44:32 show, for lack of a better term.
11:44:34 We didn't know really what to call it, and
11:44:37 sustainability fair, perhaps celebrating earth day more
11:44:40 than once a year, where you bring together the City of
11:44:42 Tampa, local environmental partners, TECO, and you are
11:44:46 talking about best practices, energy savings programs,
11:44:52 conservation programs, environmental programs, bringing
11:44:56 that message literally on the road to schools, to
11:44:58 different parks, different organizations, neighborhood
11:45:01 fairs at the county, things like that.
11:45:04 And we really are looking at that thing that will take
11:45:07 a number of individual community partners to help that
11:45:12 whole process come along.
11:45:13 We have some ideas we are working with now and
11:45:17 hopefully would involve the school board as well as the
11:45:20 University of South Florida, and they recently
11:45:22 established sustainability department.
11:45:27 Item number 15 is an energy rebate program review task
11:45:34 The purpose of the task force was to conduct an annual
11:45:37 review of various commercial and residential rebate
11:45:39 programs and how effective they were.
11:45:42 At the last meeting that the mayor had when the task
11:45:45 force recommendations were presented to the mayor, she
11:45:48 had asked this group if they would stay together.
11:45:51 I think it was unanimous although I didn't hear the
11:45:54 vote, that they would stay together and continue to do
11:45:56 So that will be as we continue to meet with the task
11:46:01 force, this will be one of the chores that they will be
11:46:04 asked to do.
11:46:05 But I think what will happen as I mentioned, the focus
11:46:07 will shift away from creating recommendations and to
11:46:11 start to strategize implementation policies and how
11:46:14 they can take some of these implementation strategies
11:46:16 here that were identified by TECO and make them a
11:46:19 I think that's really the next step is to then go into
11:46:22 that phase where you start to drill down a little bit,
11:46:30 the implementation of the strategies.
11:46:45 The third category, recommendations to consider.
11:46:47 There were two here, and the realities that both of
11:46:50 these, the first one had to do with energy performance
11:46:53 contracting, and I just did mention we were engaged
11:46:56 with Johnson controls.
11:46:57 They looked at about a half dozen or eight of our
11:47:00 facilities in terms of what kind of energy savings, and
11:47:03 the energy performance contracting group could use to
11:47:07 improve the city's energy efficiencies and where they
11:47:09 could squeeze that last dime from environmental as well
11:47:15 as economic benefit.
11:47:16 Item 17 had to do with creating energy savings web port
11:47:19 on the City of Tampa's Web site.
11:47:20 Currently the city does have a green web page.
11:47:24 But the focus of that page tends to be a little more
11:47:27 newsworthy, what the city is trying to do, some of the
11:47:30 programs that exist out there.
11:47:32 The notion here was to tab that portal and either
11:47:35 really enhance and expand upon it or to create its own
11:47:38 web page, it talked specifically about the savings, the
11:47:41 rebates, the energy potentials that better were out in
11:47:44 the community and how you can take advantage of them, a
11:47:47 little bit more of a how to do XYZ versus just the
11:47:51 information being offered.
11:47:52 A little more instructional.
11:47:53 And we are going to work on that as well.
11:48:00 The last category had to do with further study.
11:48:18 And each of those three categories revolved -- and each
11:48:24 one of those recommendations specifically speaks to
11:48:26 funding sources and different programs, but it still
11:48:29 comes down to whether or not you are going to be able
11:48:30 to identify a funding source.
11:48:32 We were very encouraged when the legislation passes,
11:48:39 the state legislation.
11:48:41 We are we were very excited and remained that way until
11:48:44 about two months ago, three months ago, when flab
11:48:47 housing finance association said that they would not
11:48:50 allow Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac in front of the
11:49:00 Up until that time you had a enough of municipalities,
11:49:03 Tampa included.
11:49:03 I was working westbound our finance director and
11:49:06 development director, they were very excited about this
11:49:09 program, they thought it had a real opportunity to do a
11:49:11 lot of really good not only energy savings programs and
11:49:14 weatherization programs but economic development
11:49:15 programs in terms of jobs as well.
11:49:18 Until that gets resolved, I think the city is obviously
11:49:21 looking for other financing opportunities that are out
11:49:25 there, but they still hold out that there was
11:49:28 discussion at the federal level to pass legislation
11:49:33 that would allow the loans to be placed in front of
11:49:36 And I'm not sure exactly the status of that at this
11:49:40 point but I can find out for you the incomes next time
11:49:43 I speak with you; the second one had to do with a low
11:49:47 energy repayment loan.
11:49:49 It's about identifying perhaps a third party, which
11:49:53 again difficult to finance, to find funding sources.
11:49:58 We are always looking for places where you can have
11:50:01 somebody stroke the check, so to speak, in order to do
11:50:05 that, and the structure that you put together in order
11:50:07 to regain that money, keep that funding pool alive is
11:50:13 always something we are very interested in doing.
11:50:15 But again, these programs hear are for further study
11:50:19 until the funding sources clear up and the legislation
11:50:22 clears up in terms of what can and can't be used.
11:50:26 We'll just have to keep an eye on those items.
11:50:31 That is a very quick presentation of what's going on.
11:50:33 You do have in your packet the list, this matrix,
11:50:39 members of the TECO corporation put that together for
11:50:41 us, and basically had to do with what they could bring
11:50:45 to the table.
11:50:46 And then our next step will be to reconvene with the
11:50:49 task force and start to really look at these
11:50:51 implementation strategies, or these implementation
11:50:55 proposals that TECO has had, marry them with what the
11:50:59 city can doing and tie them into additional
11:51:02 partnerships and start to craft an implementation
11:51:04 program to execute these things.
11:51:07 And I'll take questions if you have them.
11:51:09 Otherwise, I would like to introduce Mr. Gordon
11:51:13 Gillette, the president of TECO.
11:51:14 He was here last time.
11:51:15 I want to thank him again personally for coming back to
11:51:18 address council.
11:51:19 And Gordon?
11:51:34 >> I'm Gordon Gillette, president of Tampa Electric and
11:51:37 peoples gas, business address 702 North Franklin
11:51:41 Council members, thank you very much for giving us the
11:51:42 opportunity again to talk a little bit about the
11:51:45 interaction that we have had between TECO and the
11:51:48 mayor's citizens conservation task force.
11:51:50 With me today from TECO are Bruce Narsisenthel,
11:51:59 Customer Care; Stephani Agliano who has many of you
11:52:02 know is our community relations person, and was also a
11:52:06 member of the citizens task force on conservation.
11:52:11 Also with us are Tim Richardson who works in the
11:52:16 management part of our regulatory affairs department,
11:52:19 and Rick Morero, manager of media and public relations.
11:52:23 We have been very happy to be part of the mayor's
11:52:24 conservation task force, and to have another
11:52:27 opportunity to brief you on Tampa Electric, peoples gas
11:52:32 efforts to collaborate with that task force.
11:52:34 We thank the mayor for her vision in assembling the
11:52:39 task force.
11:52:40 And we thank the task force, some of the members are
11:52:43 here today, for their ideas and effort in this process.
11:52:47 And we thank the City Council for your interest in
11:52:51 energy issues including renewable energy conservation,
11:52:56 At TECO, we have effectively had two activities that
11:52:59 have been ongoing on parallel paths.
11:53:03 As the mayor's task force was moving forward the
11:53:05 utilities in Florida including Tampa Electric have been
11:53:08 engaged in their once every five-year update of their
11:53:12 conservation programs and goals before the in a Public
11:53:16 Service Commission in compliance with the flab energy
11:53:19 efficiency and conservation act.
11:53:22 A week after the recommendations of the task force came
11:53:24 out in March, Tampa Electric submitted enhanced and new
11:53:31 proposed conservation programs to the Florida
11:53:33 commission for approval.
11:53:37 In April, peoples gas did the same.
11:53:39 And I am going to show a slide here.
11:53:47 As you can see from this slide, and if you can't see on
11:53:55 the screen, it's in your package as well.
11:54:00 Tampa Electric and peoples gas made some very
11:54:02 significant upgrades to their conservation programs.
11:54:09 And proposed some new renewable energy programs.
11:54:13 You can see on the list here that there were ten
11:54:16 renewable and conservation programs that were brand
11:54:20 new, and then several programs were enhanced in terms
11:54:23 of their incentives, both on the electric and the gas
11:54:26 side of our business.
11:54:29 We are also the only investor owned utility in the
11:54:31 state that has a tariff that allows customers to buy
11:54:34 energy that comes exclusively from renewable sources.
11:54:40 Both before and after the recent filings that we made,
11:54:42 Tampa Electric offered more conservation programs than
11:54:46 any of the other investor-owned utilities in the state.
11:54:49 All of our proposed programs were discussed at the
11:54:53 Florida public service agenda conference on September
11:54:57 At the agenda conference, the commission approved
11:55:00 peoples gas programs, but in the case of the electric
11:55:05 utilities, in the Tate for the investor-owned
11:55:09 companies, the commission asked that we make some minor
11:55:11 changes to our five-year plans for implementation.
11:55:15 As a result of that, the implementation of the programs
11:55:17 is going to be pushed back a little bit.
11:55:19 We expected that they would be approved in August and
11:55:22 implemented by October.
11:55:24 Now we are expecting with these changes that we are
11:55:27 submitting to the programs that they will be approved
11:55:29 in December and implemented by February.
11:55:33 Of this year
11:55:38 The timing of these two parallel efforts, the mayor's
11:55:43 task force and our conservation programs filing, was
11:55:46 very positive for us at TECO, and that it allowed Tampa
11:55:49 Electric and peoples gas to get some community input
11:55:52 and feedback while we were in the process of putting
11:55:56 together our conservation programs.
11:55:59 Again, we thank the mayor, the City Council and the
11:56:01 task force and the city staff for this great
11:56:03 opportunity to get community input.
11:56:06 I would add that it was a great opportunity for us to
11:56:09 learn some of the good things that the city is doing in
11:56:11 the area of building codes and efficiency standards and
11:56:14 some of the things that the city is doing on its own
11:56:16 facilities to demonstrate sustainability as well.
11:56:21 Thom Snelling presented you -- to you a minute ago a
11:56:25 quick run-through of the 20 recommendations of the
11:56:27 mayor's task force.
11:56:30 We have been very pleased to have the opportunity to
11:56:32 work closely with the city staff, both before and after
11:56:35 the development of the task force recommendations to
11:56:38 come up with things that we at TECO can do to support
11:56:42 and collaborate in response to the task force
11:56:46 In fact, we identified things that we can do to enhance
11:56:49 what we have been doing and/or will do in the future in
11:56:52 collaborative fashion with the city on virtually all of
11:56:55 the 20 recommendations.
11:56:57 And you have a detailed summary both the programs that
11:57:00 we submitted and the things that TECO plans to do to
11:57:06 collaborate with the city and your package.
11:57:09 This slide shows just a few examples of some of the
11:57:12 things that we are doing and/or will do in the future
11:57:15 to collaborate with the city on some of the key
11:57:21 recommendations of the task force.
11:57:22 It shows three of the many areas we found great
11:57:25 alignment with the task force on, and those areas are
11:57:27 renewable energy, enhanced low income weatherization,
11:57:31 and energy education.
11:57:33 Under renewable energy the task force recommended
11:57:35 encouraging the expansion of solar thermal water
11:57:39 heating and solar programs for residential and
11:57:44 commercial customers.
11:57:45 Our march conservation program update filing under
11:57:48 FEECA includes a solar water heating program for
11:57:52 residential customers that will provide $1,000 in
11:57:57 rebates to customers that install solar water heating.
11:58:02 In addition, we propose a brand new residential and
11:58:04 commercial photo volume take program that will provide
11:58:10 commerce with a $2 per watt incentive for the
11:58:15 installation of photo VOLTAIC, and the installation of
11:58:28 photoVOLTAIC arrays, a backup.
11:58:40 In the area of enhanced low income weatherization
11:58:43 program the task force recommended the expansion of our
11:58:45 current program and recommended we develop a
11:58:47 neighborhood energy audit weatherization roll-out
11:58:52 In response, we propose expansion of our low income
11:58:58 weatherization program to include free standardized
11:59:01 installation and duct repair intelligence compact
11:59:04 fluorescent lighting.
11:59:05 In addition, in response to the recommendation our
11:59:11 enhanced weatherization program is designed to include
11:59:13 now entire low income neighborhoods.
11:59:17 Instead of what we did in the past where we qualified
11:59:20 individual customers for this program, we have
11:59:23 requested the ability to apply for four neighborhoods
11:59:30 all at once.
11:59:31 Based on census and city economic data.
11:59:34 Our third example is energy education.
11:59:37 The task force recommended that we partner with the
11:59:41 city in efforts to expand our community education
11:59:43 programs and gain greater participation in our
11:59:46 conservation programs.
11:59:48 Based on this we plan to work jointly on things with
11:59:51 the city such as TV programming on city TV geared
11:59:56 towards conservation and renewable energy, and to link
11:59:59 the cities and TECO energy Web sites.
12:00:02 On our Web sites we have such things as energy
12:00:04 calculator, rebate information, energy saving tips, and
12:00:08 we are adding a carbon footprint calculation as well to
12:00:11 our Web site.
12:00:12 The task force also recommended that we develop a
12:00:15 neighborhood energy sustainability road show to help in
12:00:19 education efforts.
12:00:21 Part of what we are asking the Florida Public Service
12:00:22 Commission to approve is funding for an energy
12:00:26 education outreach program which will include both
12:00:29 public education and energy awareness.
12:00:32 This program is designed to promote energy efficiency
12:00:34 through local school systems, civic organizations,
12:00:38 churches an homeowners associations.
12:00:41 Also, again these are examples of some of the areas
12:00:46 where we see significant room for collaboration with
12:00:50 the city, and we receive great input from the task
12:00:55 There are other examples where we use the task force's
12:00:58 recommendations to develop our conservation programs.
12:01:02 Provided that we get in a service commission approval
12:01:05 of these programs we would expect to have funding for
12:01:07 these programs by February of next year.
12:01:14 We are very proud to be part of the city, the city and
12:01:22 peoples gas have common interest obviously in providing
12:01:24 services to our community.
12:01:27 At Tampa Electric we provide utility services to 17
12:01:29 different communities in west central Florida, at
12:01:33 peoples gas we provide service to 200 communities, in
12:01:37 37 counties throughout Florida.
12:01:40 Tampa is extremely important to us.
12:01:41 Tampa is our home.
12:01:43 Tampa is where we provided utility service at Tampa
12:01:48 Electric for 110 years and at people's gas for 115
12:01:52 With the task force work and recommendation and our
12:01:56 newly updated conservation programs we have
12:01:58 accomplished a great deal working together.
12:02:01 Now, I do think that we have accomplished everything
12:02:03 that we can accomplish?
12:02:04 I would say absolutely not.
12:02:06 There's an awful lot changing in our local economy.
12:02:10 There's an awful lot changing in the energy industry.
12:02:13 And I think we are going to have to be constantly
12:02:15 working together with the community to do the very best
12:02:22 Our local community wants to do this, and we want to do
12:02:26 it as a company.
12:02:27 And as we continue our discussion was the city staff,
12:02:33 and the mayor, the mayor is has suggested, for
12:02:37 instance, that some of the other things we might be
12:02:39 able to do are more in the area of education, actually
12:02:45 adopting an energy sustainability program, and at a
12:02:51 Hillsborough County school and also doing energy audits
12:02:53 for some of the houses that heir painted in "Paint Your
12:02:55 Heart Out."
12:02:57 In addition, when I was with you last, we were very
12:02:59 interested in talking to the city about some of the
12:03:01 things we are doing in other communities to put natural
12:03:04 gas into fleet vehicles as a fuel.
12:03:08 And we are very interested in electric and hybrid
12:03:10 electric vehicles.
12:03:11 We are continuing to look to make our electric grid
12:03:14 smarter and looking at the potential for LED lighting
12:03:19 for outdoors.
12:03:20 So there's much that we can do in the future.
12:03:22 I think we have come a long way with these task force
12:03:25 But we look forward to continuing to collaborate in the
12:03:29 Thank you.
12:03:30 That concludes my remarks.
12:03:31 >>GWEN MILLER: Ms. Mulhern?
12:03:35 >>MARY MULHERN: Yeah, I want to thank TECO. Can I
12:03:40 call you TECO?
12:03:44 >> That's fine.
12:03:45 >>MARY MULHERN: For working with the task force and
12:03:48 really implementing a lot.
12:03:50 When we looked through this list, I think -- is this a
12:03:54 task force will list in.
12:03:56 >> On the left-hand side are the task force
12:03:58 And then on the right-hand side are the things that we
12:04:00 worked with.
12:04:04 >>MARY MULHERN: I'm trying to figure out.
12:04:05 We have these three gray areas.
12:04:09 Is this from you guys?
12:04:10 >> Yes.
12:04:11 We prepared that in collaboration westbound city staff
12:04:13 and basically what's on the right hand column are what
12:04:18 we committed to do.
12:04:19 >> What you are implementing.
12:04:20 It looks good.
12:04:21 And I'm thrilled that you are doing this.
12:04:26 I wish I could afford to put solar panels on my house.
12:04:31 But I appreciate your working with them.
12:04:34 >> Well, thank you very much.
12:04:36 It's been very helpful for us as well.
12:04:38 Thank you very much, task force members.
12:04:39 >>MARY MULHERN: Hopefully we'll hear from the task
12:04:44 force before we are done.
12:04:50 >>CHAIRMAN: Council members, it's after 12:00.
12:04:52 Do you want to continue on?
12:04:56 We will go to public comments.
12:04:57 Anyone in the public like to speak?
12:04:58 >> Good afternoon.
12:05:11 CJ Reynolds, 1204 Clifton street, Sunshine State
12:05:16 strategies and member of the task force.
12:05:18 I want to first give some of the persons great thanks
12:05:23 to the work that has been done so far.
12:05:24 The task force last Meg met in March with the prayer to
12:05:29 provide a recommendation so the work that has been done
12:05:31 between now and then is directly with the work of TECO
12:05:35 and the mayor and the city staff in that regard.
12:05:38 So we are now as a task force just getting this
12:05:41 information as you are.
12:05:42 So I won't comment on those things that are in there
12:05:44 but to say that this definitely progress.
12:05:50 This is a good sign.
12:05:52 If only we were in 1998 instead of 2010.
12:05:56 But we still have a lot of work to do but I want to
12:05:58 commend the leadership of Mr. Gillette and taking on
12:06:01 some of the actions they have done.
12:06:02 Way do think that the City Council should ask for,
12:06:05 however, is a detailed budgetary update from the city
12:06:09 One of the things that the task force last asked for
12:06:12 was a summary of the electricity bill.
12:06:15 Where is Charlie?
12:06:16 He would love to hear this.
12:06:17 This is specifically what we wanted to nobody,
12:06:20 department by department, building by building.
12:06:22 We wanted to see an integrated assessment.
12:06:26 Energy expenditure and bills by department to be able
12:06:28 to help the city better plan and better a he is sees
12:06:32 and direct its improvements for -- assess and direct
12:06:36 its improvements for the future.
12:06:38 It benefits the city, all residents, to reduce our
12:06:40 energy expenses, and I understand that there is some
12:06:42 work being done in that regard.
12:06:44 But I would ask you to ask for that for your next
12:06:47 meeting on conservation.
12:06:49 You probably heard a lot of fuzzy words about education
12:06:51 and outreach.
12:06:53 Who is going to do this?
12:06:54 Where is the money going to come from?
12:06:56 What kind of accountability will there be?
12:06:59 These are key questions that need to be defined and the
12:07:04 task force and city need to be reengaged as quickly as
12:07:08 Summer is over.
12:07:09 We have to get back to school.
12:07:10 So thank you for your ongoing commitment to look at
12:07:13 this and ask the questions.
12:07:14 We appreciate your continued focus on some of these key
12:07:18 issues that face all of us.
12:07:19 Thank you.
12:07:19 >>GWEN MILLER: Would anyone else like to speak?
12:07:22 >> Good afternoon, council.
12:07:30 I'm Dina Lovingood. I live at 3007 west Chaffin here
12:07:38 in Tampa.
12:07:39 CJ pretty much said what a lot of us have done in the
12:07:42 task force up to now.
12:07:43 And we would like to remind you that, in fact, we
12:07:47 really appreciate involving the community in the
12:07:51 I'm a community advocate and was one of the community
12:07:55 advocates on the task force.
12:07:56 We really do need to integrate this into everyday on
12:07:59 the street programs to make it more meaningful for
12:08:01 everyone who lives here.
12:08:02 And we particularly appreciate the city trying to make
12:08:05 some changes.
12:08:06 We also recommend that you look at some of our
12:08:08 neighboring counties and cities who are working on a
12:08:11 lot of these issues, and in St. Pete, Pinellas County,
12:08:15 really has an initiative that's a lot further along
12:08:17 than we are.
12:08:18 And we could look at them as models and get some other
12:08:22 ideas of things that we can do.
12:08:23 So as CJ said, it is a great beginning.
12:08:26 We appreciate everybody's support, the City Council's
12:08:28 support, and TECO's support, and we really do
12:08:33 appreciate that the mayor has initiated this H.we see a
12:08:36 lot of work still to happen and a lot of work to do.
12:08:39 But thank you very much for getting started.
12:08:40 >>GWEN MILLER: Thank you.
12:08:42 Mr. Snelling?
12:08:43 >> Questions?
12:08:56 >>GWEN MILLER: Ms. Mulhern.
12:08:57 >> I was this close.
12:08:59 >>MARY MULHERN: Yeah, I was this close, but I just
12:09:02 have a couple of questions.
12:09:03 >> I would be disappointed, Councilwoman, if you
12:09:07 [ Laughter ]
12:09:09 >>MARY MULHERN: I don't know where it is on this list
12:09:11 of recommendations.
12:09:12 But the greenhouse gas -- I know it's on here.
12:09:18 Do you know what number it is?
12:09:21 >>THOM SNELLING: If you look on the actual
12:09:22 recommendation sheet itself in this booklet,
12:09:27 If you look on there, that's where it originally came
12:09:30 On page 2.
12:09:31 >>MARY MULHERN: Okay.
12:09:32 Where are we with that?
12:09:35 >>THOM SNELLING: We went through the RFP process.
12:09:37 We selected an engineering firm to do it.
12:09:41 Last week in council you approved the resolution for
12:09:43 $53,000 to sign the contract and do that.
12:09:48 You have approved it.
12:09:49 We issued the P.O. this morning.
12:09:52 With Buckley, Schuh Jurnigan.
12:09:56 We will start to craft out exactly the kind of data
12:09:59 they are going to need.
12:10:00 So we are moving through that process already.
12:10:02 We have a contract, and we have -- we selected a group
12:10:06 to do the study itself.
12:10:10 >> I probably voted for that last week, but I do want
12:10:12 to point out that we could have done that -- well, we
12:10:16 could have done it anytime, but I know the city of
12:10:21 Clearwater, and I think St. Pete has already done it,
12:10:24 and we could have done that probably at no cost, and
12:10:29 I'm sorry that we had to pay for it.
12:10:33 On the actions of programs, and I think this sheet came
12:10:36 from TECO, but number 3.
12:10:42 I think this task force, they spent a lot of time and
12:10:45 gave a lot of effort to this, and it was a result of
12:10:50 the fact that they weren't thrilled with our franchise
12:10:53 agreement, which the city and TECO reached, and this
12:10:58 was supposed to be an answer to some of their
12:11:04 And it looks to me like TECO has made a pretty good
12:11:10 effort, but I'm disappointed in what the city is doing.
12:11:13 Number 3, that the city -- this is very modest -- we
12:11:17 should be a leader in energy efficient facilities and
12:11:21 select one of our buildings as a high profile
12:11:24 demonstration project.
12:11:25 Have we done that?
12:11:26 Just one building that we could say we are going to
12:11:30 make it a model?
12:11:32 >>THOM SNELLING: I want to go back to the idea of the
12:11:37 energy management systems.
12:11:40 The most up-to-date, most state-of-the-art facility,
12:11:45 going into TPD and Tampa fire and rescue, we also have
12:11:49 other programs we are using to spend some money for
12:11:56 retrofitting the Tampa fire station downtown as well as
12:11:58 some of the stimulus dollars with their garages, some
12:12:01 of their lighting upgrades.
12:12:05 So that could be the building that gets selected
12:12:07 because we do have the baseline, we have some of the
12:12:09 information, we know what their energy use is through
12:12:13 the conservation committee, we do know what their
12:12:15 current use is, and fuel and water usage at that
12:12:20 It's a matter of identifying the buildings, saying here
12:12:22 is where it is, and this is what will happen.
12:12:25 >> And we haven't picked --
12:12:26 >> We haven't selected an actual building but there are
12:12:29 candidates out there, I guess is what I am saying.
12:12:32 >>MARY MULHERN: And then number 16.
12:12:39 Maybe this is something we approved, too, in the last
12:12:42 But the performance contracting in.
12:12:47 >>> That's basically working -- and we do -- are
12:12:50 working with Johnson controls on that, and they have
12:12:52 already -- they have been working with us for a number
12:12:55 of months now, and I had that list here.
12:13:01 Currently they have already met with the departments or
12:13:04 divisions for the water department including the
12:13:06 treatment facility, Tampa Convention Center, fleet
12:13:08 maintenance facilities, parking division, parks and rec
12:13:13 They are going through and identifying how they
12:13:17 currently do their operations, the system they have in
12:13:19 place, and they'll move through the entire city with
12:13:22 the major facilities and departments and they will then
12:13:26 turn around and say you can make improvements in this
12:13:28 fashion, and once the city has that information they'll
12:13:32 make a determination whether to enter into a contract,
12:13:34 to implement the rest of their proposals, or they just
12:13:40 have to wait to see what comes back from Johnson
12:13:42 But that's been underway for a few months now.
12:13:44 >> That was underway in the last administration.
12:13:46 I don't know if it was Johnson controls, but somebody
12:13:49 had actually been awarded a bid to do that for the
12:13:53 And here we are eight years later in the exact same
12:13:59 We are going to have another administration.
12:14:01 And maybe in another eight years are we going to be --
12:14:04 I mean --
12:14:07 >>> The exact details of that, I don't have the exact
12:14:09 details of how the contract and the memorandum of
12:14:12 understanding has been crafted.
12:14:14 My understanding right now is that the difference is
12:14:16 that we have allowed them to include a broader brush
12:14:21 for a more narrow scope and by allowing them to include
12:14:25 more and more, this gives them an opportunity to take
12:14:27 advantage of things as you spread them out versus very
12:14:31 concentrated two or three facilities.
12:14:33 >> Okay.
12:14:40 >>THOM SNELLING: I would also like to thank members of
12:14:42 the task force that took time out of their day, Maggie,
12:14:45 CJ, Tina, I appreciate them coming down.
12:14:51 >> I have one question.
12:14:59 What was that amount?
12:15:05 >>> For the greenhouse gas -- it was for $53,000, and
12:15:08 for the three installations at the three energy
12:15:10 management systems, it was a little over a million
12:15:12 That was just done by council last Thursday.
12:15:24 And all that money is stimulus money.
12:15:26 Council, thank you for your time.
12:15:28 >>GWEN MILLER: I thank TECO for coming and we
12:15:32 appreciate the work the committee has done to look at
12:15:36 the things you say we need to do.
12:15:38 Item number 6.
12:15:39 Ms. Cole, we are going to continue that one to the next
12:15:43 Is that okay?
12:15:49 >>JULIA COLE: Legal department.
12:15:51 I mean, that's fine, and we can go ahead and do that.
12:15:53 Your next workshop I think is very filled up.
12:15:56 The following workshop I think is not until after the
12:15:59 first of the year.
12:16:02 And I don't have any problem with that as well.
12:16:05 What we'll do is we'll bring this back to you in
12:16:07 ordinance form and we should have more information at
12:16:09 that point in time as to moving forward with the
12:16:13 technology portion of this.
12:16:14 >> Unless you all want to handle it under a staff
12:16:20 report at an earlier meeting.
12:16:21 >>GWEN MILLER: I would be okay with the next workshop,
12:16:25 the 27th of January.
12:16:26 >> That is an awful long time.
12:16:32 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Council, I think the sooner we
12:16:36 discuss this, it will address a lot of concerns that
12:16:39 council faced.
12:16:40 >>CHARLES FLETCHER: It addresses the Channelside issue
12:16:45 and also some issues related to how the neighborhood
12:16:48 association work that you heard earlier today as part
12:16:52 of the historic preservation discussion, obviously in a
12:16:54 different context.
12:16:55 >>GWEN MILLER: Is there a regular meeting day that we
12:16:57 can discuss it then?
12:17:00 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Did you want to bring it back in
12:17:02 ordinance form or not?
12:17:04 >>CHARLES FLETCHER: I think staff report to make sure
12:17:06 that what we put together is consistent with what
12:17:08 council would like before we bring it back on a first
12:17:11 >>MARTIN SHELBY: The next regular meeting is October
12:17:16 After that you have October 21st.
12:17:19 The 21st only has two staff reports.
12:17:21 >>GWEN MILLER: What about the 21st?
12:17:25 >> That would be perfect.
12:17:26 >>GWEN MILLER: We have a motion and second.
12:17:29 All in favor?
12:17:34 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Thank you.
12:17:40 Madam Chair, Chairman Scott has asked me to inform the
12:17:46 public that the City Council is hosting three public
12:17:50 information meetings regarding transit and
12:17:52 transportation initiatives and improvements.
12:17:55 The meetings will be held at City of Tampa parks and
12:17:58 recreation facilities throughout the community during
12:18:00 the during the month of October
12:18:02 All meetings will take place from 6:00 to 8:00 p.m. in
12:18:06 the following locations.
12:18:06 The first one, council, is coming up this coming
12:18:09 Tuesday, October 5th, 2010, again from 6 to 8 p.m.
12:18:15 in the north Tampa university area at Copeland park,
12:18:18 11001 north 15th street.
12:18:22 Again, that's this coming Tuesday, October 5th,
12:18:26 Two other ones are in the Westshore area on Tuesday,
12:18:31 October 12, 2010 at the Loretta Ingraham center, 1611
12:18:35 north Hubert Avenue
12:18:38 And the third one is to be held in the East Tampa area
12:18:41 on Tuesday, October 26th, 2010, at the Jackson
12:18:45 Heights NFL Yet Center at 3310 east Lake Avenue.
12:18:51 These meetings are for public information and
12:18:55 Information will be presented followed by an
12:18:56 opportunity for questions from the public.
12:19:01 And no official action will be taken by the Tampa City
12:19:02 Council by these meetings.
12:19:03 Again the first meeting is coming up this Tuesday,
12:19:06 October 5th, 6 p.m. at Copeland park.
12:19:09 Thank you.
12:19:09 >>GWEN MILLER: Thank you.
12:19:10 Mr. Caetano.
12:19:13 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: New business, Madam Chairman.
12:19:14 I would like the land development department and legal
12:19:17 department to come back to council with a report on the
12:19:19 process for approval of windows for -- drive-northbound
12:19:24 windows for banks and restaurants.
12:19:26 I would like the to know what changes can be made to
12:19:32 streamline the process.
12:19:33 >>GWEN MILLER: I have to get a second.
12:19:36 >> Second.
12:19:37 >>GWEN MILLER: Motion and second.
12:19:38 All in favor?
12:19:41 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: At the earliest convenience.
12:19:48 Because I had talked to Ms. Cole about it.
12:19:50 >>GWEN MILLER: 30 days be okay?
12:19:55 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: That's fine.
12:19:57 We are still going to be here, right in.
12:19:59 >>GWEN MILLER: No.
12:20:00 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: I would like to have our finance
12:20:02 department come back to council with a report of
12:20:04 details of the amount of revenue collected from impact
12:20:06 fees by zone for the past two years.
12:20:09 Included in the report I would like to see how much is
12:20:11 collected, how much collected revenue has been spent.
12:20:14 Also in each zone.
12:20:16 Was revenue collected, spent in the immediate area?
12:20:19 Specifically can revenue be spent in an area not
12:20:22 impacted by the guys business paying the fees but
12:20:25 somewhere else in the zone?
12:20:26 And I have some specific questions about uses of these
12:20:29 fees for streetlights in the areas of some projects.
12:20:32 I would like to have this report for our next regular
12:20:35 council meeting, and staff could get with me on the
12:20:40 I would appreciate that.
12:20:40 >> Second.
12:20:43 >>GWEN MILLER: Motion and second.
12:20:44 All in favor?
12:20:46 >>MARTIN SHELBY: How long did you want staff for
12:20:50 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: I said the next meeting.
12:20:51 If they need more time we will give them more time.
12:20:54 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Mr. Caetano, the next meeting is the
12:20:58 The next meeting -- and that's not enough time to get
12:21:02 even into the agenda.
12:21:03 The next regular meeting after that is the 21st of
12:21:05 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: That's fine.
12:21:07 >>GWEN MILLER: Anything else, Mr. Caetano?
12:21:11 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: No.
12:21:13 >>GWEN MILLER: Ms. Capin?
12:21:15 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Thank you.
12:21:16 I would like to ask staff to report back to us for the
12:21:21 October 14 workshop on zoning code enforcement process
12:21:36 on what we will be working on the 14th, which is
12:21:41 chapter 27, alcoholic beverages.
12:21:46 >>MARTIN SHELBY: If I can understand.
12:21:51 What you are asking, are you asking for code
12:21:52 enforcement to be here for that workshop?
12:21:57 >>YVONNE CAPIN: The process.
12:21:57 What are the steps?
12:21:58 I understand there are steps for the process of code
12:22:04 I would like to have those steps -- a flow chart.
12:22:12 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Alcoholic beverage is not North
12:22:14 Carolina normally handled by the code enforcement so
12:22:16 the question would be how would that information be
12:22:18 presented to council?
12:22:19 Coal Coyle land development.
12:22:20 This comes from the conversation that Ms. Capin and I
12:22:24 And we do have a protocol, a coordinated effort with
12:22:27 TPD, code enforcement, ourselves and ABT at the state
12:22:31 level, and she was asking for that outline of steps we
12:22:34 take for enforcement.
12:22:36 And I will be more than happy to provide that.
12:22:38 >>GWEN MILLER: Do you want a written report?
12:22:41 >>MARTIN SHELBY: In writing?
12:22:43 The flow chart?
12:22:48 >>YVONNE CAPIN: For the workshop.
12:22:49 So -- Cole Coyle we'll be discussing alcohol changes at
12:22:52 the workshop so I bring that for council as well.
12:22:57 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Thank you.
12:22:58 That's a motion.
12:22:59 >>GWEN MILLER: Motion and second.
12:23:00 All in favor?
12:23:02 Anything else?
12:23:03 >>YVONNE CAPIN: One more thing.
12:23:06 If you notice my purple-ping shirt.
12:23:10 Starting tomorrow is domestic violence awareness and
12:23:13 prevention month.
12:23:14 I serve on the board.
12:23:15 And I want everyone to know if you are interested, go
12:23:21 to the spring of Tampa Bay and they will let you know
12:23:27 what is being done so that we can help out on this
12:23:30 awareness month.
12:23:31 Thank you.
12:23:31 >>GWEN MILLER: Ms. Mulhern?
12:23:36 Mr. Stokes?
12:23:38 Motion to receive and file?
12:23:40 We need a motion to receive and file.
12:23:44 Motion and a second.
12:23:45 All in favor of the motion say Aye.
12:23:47 Opposed, Nay.
12:23:48 Ms. Coyle?
12:23:50 >>MARTIN SHELBY: There is one more issue.
12:23:52 >>CATHERINE COYLE: The chairman and I had spoken.
12:23:54 This text amendment cycle which we just discussed, we
12:23:56 are going to be discussing part of it on October
12:23:59 14th at the workshop.
12:24:00 This particular text amendment cycle has a lot of
12:24:03 amendments in it and I want to make sure that council
12:24:05 has adequate time to hear all the amendments so we do
12:24:08 have a couple pieces of that amendment cycle that are
12:24:11 large items.
12:24:12 One of them being the Seminole Heights amendments.
12:24:14 The other being the transit oriented development, item
12:24:19 amendment to the code.
12:24:20 We are asking from the 14th you have many workshops
12:24:24 scheduled for that day.
12:24:25 What I plan to do that day is talk about some of the
12:24:27 minor changes of the code.
12:24:29 A couple of the items that you have already discussed
12:24:31 in other sessions getting through those.
12:24:33 And then, if I could, the chair was inclined to grant
12:24:37 this as well.
12:24:38 December 9th is there is a night meeting.
12:24:41 And at 6:00.
12:24:42 And there are only five cases, I believe, scheduled for
12:24:45 that evening.
12:24:46 We could begin at 5:01 if you are so inclined, and we
12:24:49 could have been just that first hour for the workshop
12:24:51 to discuss those other amendments.
12:24:53 I want to make sure that there's adequate time for you
12:24:55 all to understand what the amendments are.
12:24:57 To get them in through this cycle.
12:25:00 We are anticipating, because it's such a large size
12:25:03 that it is, to get it through normally the six-month
12:25:06 We are hoping to get it adopted by March prior to all
12:25:08 of you leaving, because a lot of these amendments, many
12:25:11 of you have worked on over the last couple years.
12:25:14 And some of you may be coming back.
12:25:16 [ Laughter ]
12:25:18 But the goal will be to have everything adopted by
12:25:21 March-so we will be asking for December 9th,
12:25:24 5:01 p.m. for the January 27th part 2 text
12:25:28 amendment cycle.
12:25:28 >>GWEN MILLER: We need a motion for that.
12:25:34 >>CATHERINE COYLE: I'm breaking it into it would be
12:25:36 >>MARTIN SHELBY: And if I can, and I was speaking with
12:25:42 Ms. Coyle, I have clarified that the items such as the
12:25:46 community gardens and the alcoholic beverages will not
12:25:50 be moved from the October date.
12:25:51 So those will still be heard that date.
12:25:56 >>GWEN MILLER: We have a motion and second.
12:26:03 >>MARTIN SHELBY: December 9th at 5:01.
12:26:06 >>GWEN MILLER: All in favor? Opposed?
12:26:08 Thank you.
12:26:09 Anything else? We stand adjourned.
12:26:11 (City Council meeting adjourned).
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