TAMPA CITY COUNCIL MEETING
Thursday, October 7, 2010
9:00 a.m. session.
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09:31:50 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Tampa City Council will come to order.
09:31:55 We'll have roll call.
09:31:56 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: Here.
09:32:00 >>MARY MULHERN: Here.
09:32:02 >>CURTIS STOKES: Here.
09:32:02 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Here.
09:32:05 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Here.
09:32:07 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you very much.
09:32:10 For those who are just joining us, let me give you a
09:32:13 little information.
09:32:14 We have a letter from Councilwoman Miller's office that
09:32:17 she will not be in today, advise that chair pro tem
09:32:25 Miller will be absent on October 7, 2010 due to the
09:32:31 passing of her mother, Mrs. Willburn Rivers.
09:32:34 The funeral will be held this coming Saturday at
09:32:37 11 a.m. at the new mount Zion Baptist church, 2511 east
09:32:41 Columbus drive in Tampa, Florida.
09:32:44 Pastor -- reverend Dr. Walter J. Williams will be
09:32:48 officiating that service.
09:32:51 Visitation hours will be Friday to five to nine at the
09:32:54 Wilson funeral home, 3000 north 29th street.
09:32:59 And so for those who are here, those that are
09:33:03 listening, certainly we extend to Ms. Miller our
09:33:05 condolences and our prayers and our support during this
09:33:11 very difficult time the hours of visitation scheduled
09:33:19 for five to nine at Wilson funeral home Friday night,
09:33:25 and then Saturday morning at 11:00 at new mount Zion
09:33:30 missionary Baptist church on Columbus drive.
09:33:34 With that being said, we will now review our agenda.
09:33:37 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Good morning, Mr. Chairman, members
09:33:41 of City Council.
09:33:43 Before you, you have the request for the adoption of
09:33:46 the minutes of the session held on the 24th and
09:33:51 26th of August.
09:33:52 >> So moved.
09:33:53 >> Second.
09:33:55 >>THOMAS SCOTT: For the 24th and August 26th.
09:33:58 All in favor?
09:33:59 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Members of council, Mr. Chairman, did
09:34:04 you also, by the way, make note of the fact that you
09:34:06 will be leaving -- you will not be returning after
09:34:13 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Yes.
09:34:14 I did say that earlier and there will be two council
09:34:16 persons that will not be in the afternoon session.
09:34:18 Ms. Miller, Councilwoman Miller, because of the passing
09:34:22 of her mother, and also I submitted last week for the
09:34:25 record to all of council and the clerk that I have a
09:34:29 scheduling for this afternoon conflict that I will not
09:34:34 be here this afternoon.
09:34:35 I will be here all morning but not during the afternoon
09:34:39 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Mr. Scott, you had provided a memo
09:34:41 regarding a new business item. Did you want to take
09:34:44 that up at this time because you will not be here for
09:34:46 new business?
09:34:47 >> I can certainly do that.
09:34:49 That new business item, I would like for the
09:34:54 administration to give us a report on the accident and
09:34:58 death that occurred on 34th street and Chelsea,
09:35:03 that happened about three weeks ago.
09:35:05 I did have opportunity to go out and walk around the
09:35:07 site and visit the site and I can tell you there's a
09:35:13 major issue, blocking the view of those who are coming
09:35:17 off of Chelsea.
09:35:18 But I would like for the administration to report on
09:35:21 And what action they are going to take to correct the
09:35:25 issue relative to that.
09:35:27 That's a very dangerous intersection on 34th and
09:35:31 I would like for the administration to appear at our
09:35:34 next regular meeting with a report relative to the
09:35:36 accident and how to try to correct the problem.
09:35:40 >>MARTIN SHELBY: That was for the 17th?
09:35:50 Oh, the 21st.
09:35:54 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion by Mr. Scott,
09:35:56 seconded by Mr. Caetano.
09:35:58 The ayes have it.
09:36:02 >>MARTIN SHELBY: You have a request by City Council
09:36:03 Chip Fletcher who is present for a walk-on resolution.
09:36:08 Amending resolution 2010-838 by correcting a
09:36:11 scrivener's error in section 1.
09:36:13 I don't know if Mr. Fletcher needs to address it with
09:36:15 >>CHARLES FLETCHER: We need to indicate the crest
09:36:22 correct funds it needs to be deposited into.
09:36:25 There was an error in the organization original
09:36:28 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Fine.
09:36:30 >>MARTIN SHELBY: So did you wish to --
09:36:34 >> So moved.
09:36:35 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: Second.
09:36:36 >>THOMAS SCOTT: All in favor?
09:36:39 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Thank you.
09:36:41 Council, with regard to items to be removed from the
09:36:45 agenda, I believe you received a memorandum from
09:36:51 Chairman Scott requesting the removal of items 16, 20,
09:37:00 21, 23, 24, 28, 38 and 42.
09:37:10 Is that correct?
09:37:12 Those are the items you wish to have removed under
09:37:15 staff reports?
09:37:17 >> Under staff, yes.
09:37:18 >>MARTIN SHELBY: For discussion.
09:37:20 Also, council, with regard to item number 70 on your
09:37:25 agenda, that's under the consent docket, but that will
09:37:28 require a separate vote because my understanding is
09:37:31 that council member Stokes will be declaring a conflict
09:37:33 on that, and abstaining.
09:37:37 So if he could -- just a reminder of that.
09:37:42 Council, item number 22 is on the consent docket.
09:37:46 And I apologize, this doesn't appear on your addendum.
09:37:49 I am asking that the rules of procedure be moved to
09:37:52 staff reports.
09:37:53 I have a very minor revision to make, and I would like
09:37:57 to do a substitution and have the opportunity to
09:37:59 explain it to you.
09:38:00 It really is not a substantive change but I would like
09:38:03 to remove 22 through staff reports.
09:38:10 Item number 62 is a resolution setting a public
09:38:17 What you have before you is a request for a substantive
09:38:20 legal description and updated ownership lift and as
09:38:26 part of the agenda that you accept that substitution.
09:38:31 I believe number 73, council, is a 9:30 second reading
09:38:38 and adoption public hearing, and, council, that pass on
09:38:45 first reading on a four-to-three vote.
09:38:49 And council member Miller was on the prevailing side.
09:38:53 She being absent, in order for this to go forward, if
09:38:56 it does go forward today, you would have a three-three
09:38:59 And there may be a request, I believe, from the
09:39:02 petitioner for a continuance on that item.
09:39:05 If you wish to take that up now, council, it is after
09:39:08 9:30, it would be appropriate to do that if that's your
09:39:11 pleasure, or you can wait till you get to the public
09:39:14 >> Lauralee west, requesting that this be heard before
09:39:22 full council on 10-21, please.
09:39:25 10-21, your next regularly scheduled.
09:39:27 >>THOMAS SCOTT: So we can take that up now?
09:39:31 >>MARTIN SHELBY: You can make a motion to open the
09:39:33 public hearing.
09:39:34 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: So moved to open item 73.
09:39:36 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: Second.
09:39:37 >>THOMAS SCOTT: All in favor?
09:39:40 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Now you can inquire.
09:39:41 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Does anyone here wish to address the
09:39:43 continuance to October 21st?
09:39:47 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Mr. Chairman, I move to continue
09:39:49 this hearing to October 21st and leave it open so
09:39:54 we can continue it as it is.
09:39:55 >>MARTIN SHELBY: And that would be set for 9:30 a.m.
09:40:00 >>MARTIN SHELBY: 9:30 a.m.
09:40:02 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: Second.
09:40:02 >>THOMAS SCOTT: All in favor?
09:40:05 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Thank you.
09:40:09 Item 78 is going to be taken up at 10:00.
09:40:12 And you will be requesting at that time to receive a
09:40:16 substitute ordinance deleting 8061 South Westshore
09:40:22 Boulevard from the proposed designation provided by
09:40:25 senior assistant attorney Julia Cole.
09:40:28 At 10:30 a.m., there will be a request for a substitute
09:40:31 ordinance to be moved amending the Tampa comprehensive
09:40:35 plan by adding definitions and amending certain
09:40:40 chapters and objectives and associated policies, and
09:40:43 that will be taken up at 10:30.
09:40:46 Council, item number 64 is an ordinance amending
09:40:52 chapter 2, the standards of conduct and accountability
09:40:55 requirements for nonprofits.
09:40:58 That's for second reading.
09:41:00 I believe Mr. Fletcher is requesting a continuance of
09:41:02 that item to October 21st at 9:30 a.m.
09:41:08 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I move item 64 be opened.
09:41:10 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: Second.
09:41:12 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Moved and seconded.
09:41:13 All in favor?
09:41:16 Anyone from the public?
09:41:19 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I move that item 64 be continued to
09:41:22 10-21 at 9:30 a.m.
09:41:25 >> seconded by Councilwoman Mulhern.
09:41:28 All in favor signify by saying Aye.
09:41:31 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Item 85, council, is a request by
09:41:36 council member Stokes to have that item removed from
09:41:38 the agenda.
09:41:41 And that could be taken up as part of the approval of
09:41:44 the agenda.
09:41:48 >>THOMAS SCOTT: I just have some questions when we come
09:41:50 too that relative to this item that I raised with the
09:41:53 attorney but we can take it up when we come to that.
09:41:55 >>MARTIN SHELBY: We will not act on item 85 until that
09:41:58 item comes up.
09:42:02 Item number 90, 1:30 in the afternoon, it cannot be
09:42:08 taken up until that time, but to put the public on
09:42:11 notice that file C-10-13, the petitioner Levine medical
09:42:17 in North Beauty Heights is going to be requesting a
09:42:19 continuance to November 18 at 1020.
09:42:23 That cannot be taken up until that time.
09:42:32 Council, I believe there are no other changes that I am
09:42:34 aware of to today's agenda.
09:42:36 Madam clerk, please correct me if I am wrong.
09:42:38 And I present it to you for your approval.
09:42:41 >>THOMAS SCOTT: I just need to raise a question on item
09:42:46 That is man grove, I'm sure there are going to be a lot
09:42:51 of people here but you are down to five members this
09:42:57 Is that something we can address now so we don't have
09:43:00 all these people in here coming down?
09:43:02 I just want ton know how to handle it at this point.
09:43:06 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Unfortunately this is set for a time
09:43:09 1:30 in the afternoon or thereafter.
09:43:11 It would be appropriate for council to take it up.
09:43:15 At this point in time neither the petitioner nor any
09:43:18 members of the community are here to set forth what
09:43:20 their positions are so I believe that would be
09:43:25 >>THOMAS SCOTT: I just wanted to raise it as a concern.
09:43:30 Of this will be the third time we have heard this case,
09:43:32 I believe.
09:43:35 So understand that you are down to five council people.
09:43:41 >>MARY MULHERN: I think just to let anyone who is
09:43:45 watching expecting to be here at 1:30 that there's a
09:43:48 fairly good likelihood that it will be continued.
09:43:51 So that's all we can do.
09:43:52 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Motion to approve the changes to the
09:43:58 >> So moved.
09:43:59 >> Second.
09:44:00 >>THOMAS SCOTT: All in favor?
09:44:02 We'll take public comment at this time.
09:44:05 We'll take public.
09:44:07 This is your time to talk about whatever you desire on
09:44:12 the agenda first.
09:44:13 Those who want to speak may speak first to items on the
09:44:18 You have three minutes.
09:44:19 State your name and address for the record.
09:44:20 >> My name is Al Davis, at 3717 east wilder.
09:44:29 And the item on the agenda is item number 24.
09:44:39 Mr. Chairman, I'm a little puzzled from the item being
09:44:51 on the City Council agenda in the form of a resolution.
09:44:57 I'm puzzled because I am not certain if there is a
09:45:05 strict personality of the City Council and the agency
09:45:13 that it created called the committee redevelopment
09:45:23 The Community Redevelopment Agency.
09:45:28 I'm asking when your personality is in the form of an
09:45:30 agency, I go to the agency.
09:45:32 Now your personality is in the form of the City Council
09:45:37 on the topic for which it relates to the agency.
09:45:43 So just to be sure I'm okay myself in terms of the
09:45:53 similarity, you are the City Council, you are the
09:46:00 governing body of this municipality.
09:46:09 You created the agency, and you managed that agency by
09:46:25 the members of the council.
09:46:27 I believe I'm correct in that.
09:46:30 Item number 24 is an agreement that the city is dealing
09:46:40 with the agency.
09:46:46 Well, when you end your role as a City Council, I think
09:46:52 I can deal with that.
09:46:57 But when I get to the agency, and then I deal with the
09:47:04 agency, I do try to deal with them in a different, you
09:47:08 know, structure organization, but with the same people
09:47:17 in a different role.
09:47:20 Having said all of that, Mr. Chairman, I would like to
09:47:25 present to the council concerning item number 24, that
09:47:37 there's some need for absolute clarity in terms of what
09:47:44 I'm about to speak to now.
09:47:54 The agency and its policy has delegated some
09:47:58 responsibility to an organization called East Tampa
09:48:07 Community Redevelopment Agency.
09:48:09 (Bell sounds)
09:48:11 Please extend just another minute, Mr. Chairman.
09:48:12 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Ordinarily I would do it but because
09:48:17 it's ten to ten and I will not be here this afternoon,
09:48:20 but let me just say, Mr. Davis, the CRA agency function
09:48:31 created under Florida statute 163 -- is that right?
09:48:37 All right.
09:48:37 This was on our agenda today.
09:48:40 Actually the interlocal agreement, a memorandum between
09:48:43 administration and the CRA.
09:48:46 We are just simply ratifying the action that the CRA
09:48:50 took earlier.
09:48:52 Now it's coming to us for ratification.
09:48:54 >>> Yes.
09:48:56 >>THOMAS SCOTT: So that requires a vote of the City
09:49:00 Relative to what you are talking about, that is a CRA
09:49:03 issue, because your reference to the valuable work
09:49:10 that's been given oversight, I guess, of East Tampa,
09:49:14 that's done through the CRA.
09:49:16 City Council does not do that.
09:49:17 The CRA did that.
09:49:19 The only thing we are ratifying today is this agreement
09:49:22 to have allow the administration to service, as I
09:49:27 understand, service or administrate those CRA areas.
09:49:32 >> Yes, sir.
09:49:34 But the agreement specifically identifies East Tampa
09:49:44 Community Redevelopment Agency as a required element of
09:49:53 your function.
09:49:54 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Mr. Davis.
09:49:55 Okay, Mr. Davis, thank you very much for your public
09:49:59 You have to address that issue with the CRA which is
09:50:02 not in session now.
09:50:03 They were in session at 9:00.
09:50:05 This is the Tampa City Council.
09:50:08 The only action that we have is to vote on this
09:50:12 memorandum of understanding or this service agreement.
09:50:15 That's the only action we are taking today.
09:50:18 >>> But when you do that, you are locking in the
09:50:22 problem that I am trying to address through this
09:50:24 agency -- through this City Council, because when you
09:50:28 ratified that agreement, you are ratifying the problem
09:50:35 related to the partnership.
09:50:40 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
09:50:42 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you, Mr. Davis.
09:50:44 >>> Mr. Chairman, is that partnership a legal --
09:50:48 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Mr. Davis, Mr. Davis, your three
09:50:50 minutes is up.
09:50:50 Thank you.
09:50:51 I'm trying to be as gentle as I can to my senior
09:50:54 colleague and my senior constituents.
09:50:57 Thank you very kindly.
09:50:59 >>> So can I leave these?
09:51:01 For the record?
09:51:02 >> Yes, sir, you can certainly do that.
09:51:06 Sal, just speak briefly on this service agreement, and
09:51:11 that's just pretty much our role.
09:51:12 >>SAL TERRITO: Legal department.
09:51:14 The service agreement is an agreement between the city
09:51:16 and the CRA.
09:51:17 The CRA approves it as an independent body.
09:51:20 What the City Council is being asked to do is
09:51:21 authorizing the mayor to execute this agreement that
09:51:24 will allow them to have their employees serve the CRA
09:51:29 as necessary.
09:51:34 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Okay.
09:51:34 Thank you.
09:51:40 Thank you very much.
09:51:45 >> My name is Jennifer Hollowell, east Navaho Avenue.
09:51:52 I was disturbed by Mayor Iorio's reaction to the latest
09:51:57 bicycling death.
09:51:57 She said she can't control behavior of drivers.
09:52:02 Why not?
09:52:03 She has a police force, doesn't she?
09:52:05 Why not enforce existing traffic laws?
09:52:08 If Tampa police crack down and enforce the laws that
09:52:11 are out there, Tampa would be a safer place to bicycle.
09:52:15 I have to ask you people, you obviously drove down
09:52:18 here, and drive around the City of Tampa, how often you
09:52:23 come to a red light that people actually stop.
09:52:25 Is it more not often the norm that people run red
09:52:29 lights and scoot through the intersections?
09:52:37 I think it's become the norm people are in such a hurry
09:52:39 that they see red lights as a chance -- anyway, my
09:52:46 point is, if the City of Tampa police department
09:52:51 enforced the traffic laws, Tampa would be a safer place
09:52:55 to bicycle.
09:52:56 Second, if Tampa ever hopes to become a great city, it
09:52:59 needs to find a way to raise a bicycling culture.
09:53:03 Right now we are slaves to our automobiles.
09:53:04 We have a bicycle-friendly terrain.
09:53:08 It flat out there.
09:53:09 We have bicycle-friendly weather.
09:53:11 It doesn't get too hot here.
09:53:12 We do not have bicycle friendly streets.
09:53:15 And what's to not like about the bicycle as
09:53:18 It gets cars off the road, which reduces our dependence
09:53:23 on oil, and it reduces pollution.
09:53:25 And it's healthy.
09:53:28 What a great way to fight America's ever growing
09:53:33 I urge you to listen to Alan's presentation closely, to
09:53:37 make Tampa a bicycle-friendly city.
09:53:40 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Next.
09:53:49 Thank you very much, ma'am.
09:53:50 >> My name is Nancy Byrd, 3317 west Sevilla circle,
09:53:57 And thank you very much for taking the time to hear us
09:54:00 this morning.
09:54:02 I am a nurse at Tampa general and I have worked there
09:54:04 25 years, and the last ten of those years I have ridden
09:54:08 my bike to work, and our president of Tampa General
09:54:11 Hospital Mr. Ron hightop was kind enough to build a
09:54:15 bicycle corral for our bicycles in the garage so we
09:54:19 check of in with the cashier, get a key and put our
09:54:22 bicycles in there and it's a nice safe place and a
09:54:25 great place to ride your bicycle, too.
09:54:27 Unfortunately, I live on the other side of the
09:54:30 peninsula of Tampa, near Westshore Boulevard, and I
09:54:32 have to cross over to Bay to Bay, so there's not really
09:54:35 any safe way to cross lower peninsula of Tampa.
09:54:41 They were going to make a bike lane on Euclid Boulevard
09:54:44 but the residents said, they want to park on the
09:54:51 It's not really safe to park on, they don't leave their
09:54:54 cars there, so there was enough room there to make a
09:54:57 safe bike lane.
09:54:58 There's no bike lanes on El Prado Boulevard.
09:55:01 There's no bike lanes on Bay to Bay across the
09:55:04 So it would be nice to have a safe way to cross the
09:55:07 Then once you get across, then you can ride on the bike
09:55:11 lane on Bayshore Boulevard which abruptly ends near
09:55:13 Rome street.
09:55:15 So I don't know why the bike lanes just abruptly end
09:55:18 the way they do.
09:55:19 There's several other areas in Tampa whereof they
09:55:21 abruptly end like that.
09:55:29 Westbound down on Manhattan, they started bike line
09:55:32 that abruptly ends near Gandy.
09:55:34 So there's a couple places.
09:55:36 Anyway with, I do hope that you will consider what Alan
09:55:39 presents this morning and really bicycling is a
09:55:42 wonderful thing to do here in Tampa, and I love it.
09:55:46 Thank you very much for your time.
09:55:47 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you.
09:55:51 Next speaker.
09:55:51 >> My name is Moses Knott, Jr., I reside at 2902 East
09:55:59 Ellicott three nights a week and then again I thank God
09:56:03 for his grace and his mercy.
09:56:05 Get along good if you believe in it.
09:56:07 Thank you very much.
09:56:09 But Mr. Chairman, I want to speak on the bicycling and
09:56:12 then the light rail.
09:56:18 A theme song, we don't need light rail, we need bicycle
09:56:22 Let me tell you, East Tampa is the only place in the
09:56:25 world, we don't have a walk trail, let alone a bicycle
09:56:28 I have been coming to this podium about 20 years, and
09:56:32 she's gone now but she knows about it.
09:56:34 But you hear me talk about it all the time.
09:56:36 I'm a bicycle person.
09:56:39 I own over 20 bicycles.
09:56:42 People kid me why do you have these bicycles?
09:56:44 Now the bicycle is going to come into play.
09:56:47 Right now bicycling in the city, you have got to have a
09:56:50 bicycle now.
09:56:51 Poor people, we need a bicycle to go to work, and
09:56:58 People in north Tampa, South Tampa, St. Petersburg,
09:57:00 they ride their bicycle on the trail.
09:57:01 They rich.
09:57:02 Oh, they have an exercise bicycle.
09:57:05 But I used to stow my bicycle on the top of the pickup
09:57:12 truck and go to the rich part of town.
09:57:15 I been here a long time.
09:57:17 I been coming hereto years ago.
09:57:19 Long time ago, ten years ago, when I ride a bicycle I
09:57:23 put my bicycle on the back of my truck.
09:57:25 It's dangerous over there.
09:57:26 And another thing.
09:57:31 Don't who know who get on a bicycle over there.
09:57:34 They don't even report it.
09:57:36 On Hillsborough and 22nd all down through there, people
09:57:41 knock you over a bicycle, but it's going on.
09:57:52 But I tell people like I do animals today, one for four
09:58:00 or five black peoples.
09:58:02 And it's the same with the bicycle trail.
09:58:04 But like I said about this -- that high-speed train,
09:58:11 I'm going to tell all of the poor people, don't put a
09:58:14 penny into this thing, not near a penny.
09:58:18 The community tax thing, I told all the black people to
09:58:22 vote yes for it, that their children go to school and
09:58:26 get free lunch.
09:58:27 See, I will defend the poor peoples.
09:58:31 Nobody wants that job.
09:58:32 But when it's voting time, these people 6:00 come in.
09:58:40 But right now, my theme from now on out, we don't want
09:58:44 light rail.
09:58:45 We want bicycle trail.
09:58:47 We never had a bicycle trail over there.
09:58:49 Ms. Miller, God bless her, she's not here this morning.
09:58:56 Around that -- all them walking there.
09:59:00 In Hillsborough County, we don't even have a walk
09:59:03 We got one park and then this year they charge $25 for
09:59:09 a child to go to a park.
09:59:10 It's a shame over there.
09:59:12 I'm going to call it little Haiti because we get along
09:59:14 the same way they do over there.
09:59:16 It's a shame.
09:59:16 And this morning, you all got this $800,000 over there.
09:59:24 East Tampa --
09:59:30 (Bell sounds)
09:59:31 >> Thank you, Mr. Knott.
09:59:34 >> We don't need light rail.
09:59:36 We need bicycle trails.
09:59:38 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you.
09:59:40 >> Chip Donnis, 1219 East Hunter Avenue. And I
09:59:49 certainly agree with that.
09:59:50 I want to talk about bike safety and actually road
09:59:52 safety for everyone.
09:59:53 And I want to mention three reasons why you and all of
09:59:57 us should care about maximizing bike safety and
10:00:01 promoting bike riding.
10:00:05 Two briefly alluded to but driving is an echo logic
10:00:09 disaster, completely unsustainable for a number of
10:00:12 reasons, the most obvious which would be the toxic
10:00:15 fumes coming out of everyone's tail pipe, not to
10:00:18 mention the carbon dioxide which is going to be a
10:00:22 really big problem.
10:00:23 And since driving is so disastrous, bicycling is not.
10:00:28 We should be doing everything in our power to promote
10:00:32 biking as an alternative to driving.
10:00:35 And the second reason is, any need to reduce our
10:00:39 dependency on oil is dependent on reducing our
10:00:44 dependency on the car.
10:00:45 And the third reason is -- the third may be the one
10:00:50 that motivates you most to action, but the automobile
10:00:52 is quickly becoming financially unsustainable for a
10:00:55 majority of Americans when 50% of the American
10:00:58 household's income there's less than $50,000, and it
10:01:01 costs 6 to $9,000 to own a car.
10:01:05 Simple arithmetic says that cannot continue much
10:01:09 And we are going to see a radical transformation in
10:01:12 this country to two and three wheeled vehicles, and the
10:01:16 community communities that anticipate this the best and
10:01:20 prepare for it are going to be the most successful, and
10:01:23 best community to live in.
10:01:25 And I am not talking 20 years down the road that this
10:01:27 is going to happen.
10:01:28 It's going to happen in the next decade.
10:01:30 People are running into a financial withdrawal and they
10:01:32 are not going to be able to afford to own a car for
10:01:35 much longer.
10:01:36 We need to do things like build the Hillsborough River
10:01:40 A very doable trail that runs along the Hillsborough
10:01:42 River from Temple Terrace to downtown, the plans were
10:01:46 drawn up 15 years ago.
10:01:48 They are out there somewhere.
10:01:51 Right-of-way is mostly owned by the county and the city
10:01:53 of Temple Terrace and the City of Tampa.
10:01:55 A little cooperation between those three entities, we
10:01:57 could have this done in two or three years.
10:01:59 We need to do more public service ads.
10:02:02 During these meetings when you are on recess, there's a
10:02:04 screen that says nothing else but Tampa City Council in
10:02:08 Let's use that time to broadcast public service ads,
10:02:13 tip of the month, how you can ride safer, how you can
10:02:15 share the road safer as a motorist.
10:02:18 And we need to adopt things like the Idaho stop that
10:02:25 allows bicyclists to treat stop signs as yield signs
10:02:28 and red lights as stop signs.
10:02:32 These are the kinds of things that will promote and
10:02:34 encourage bike riding.
10:02:36 But more than anything, we need to get a handle on
10:02:39 reckless and aggressive driving that is so prevalent on
10:02:44 area roads here.
10:02:45 If we do not do that, it will never be safe to ride.
10:02:49 And of in Oklahoma City, they made a conscious effort
10:02:53 to crack down on road crimes, about 10, 12 years ago.
10:02:57 They got a grant that put three extra officers on the
10:03:01 But I talked to the sheriff of in Oklahoma City, and he
10:03:03 said that after two years of cracking down on motor
10:03:07 vehicle crimes, all crime got reduced about 50%,
10:03:10 because most criminals are breaking laws of the road so
10:03:15 they were taking a lot of people circulation.
10:03:17 (Bell sounds).
10:03:19 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you very much.
10:03:20 Anyone else?
10:03:33 Reconsideration on a legislative matter?
10:03:35 We will take up the first ordinance, item number 1
10:03:38 that's on our agenda.
10:03:39 >>MARTIN SHELBY: That needs to be read by title.
10:03:51 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Mr. Chairman, item number 1 for
10:03:54 first reading, an ordinance presented for first reading
10:03:57 consideration, an ordinance of the City of Tampa
10:03:59 repealing Tampa code section 14-27 relating to the
10:04:04 impoundment of motor vehicles used to facilitate
10:04:07 prostitution and drug related crimes and providing an
10:04:09 effective date.
10:04:10 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: Second.
10:04:12 >>THOMAS SCOTT: It's my understanding it will repeal
10:04:14 this but the Florida statutes still is in place to
10:04:17 cover this.
10:04:17 Is that correct, legal?
10:04:18 Do you want to come to the to state it on the record?
10:04:24 >>SAL TERRITO: Legal department.
10:04:24 That's correct.
10:04:25 If this is repealed, the Florida statute will still be
10:04:27 in effect.
10:04:29 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: And what this means, if you do it,
10:04:31 you lose your car.
10:04:32 >>SAL TERRITO: Yes.
10:04:34 >>THOMAS SCOTT: And a second.
10:04:37 Seconded by councilman Caetano.
10:04:40 All in favor?
10:04:41 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried we've Miller being absent.
10:04:45 Second reading of the ordinance will be held October
10:04:49 21st at 9:30 a.m.
10:04:51 >> our committee report, public safety, councilman
10:04:57 >> Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
10:04:59 Move items 2 through 5.
10:05:03 >> Second.
10:05:06 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Moved and seconded.
10:05:07 All in favor?
10:05:08 Parks and recreation.
10:05:09 Councilman Stokes?
10:05:10 >> Move item 2 through 16.
10:05:16 >> Second.
10:05:17 >>THOMAS SCOTT: All in favor?
10:05:19 Public Works Committee.
10:05:21 Councilwoman -- councilman Charlie Miranda.
10:05:26 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: That's all right.
10:05:28 [ Laughter ]
10:05:30 Sound like the mayor coming up.
10:05:32 Anyway, I move items 11 through 15.
10:05:37 >> Second.
10:05:39 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Moved and seconded.
10:05:40 All in favor?
10:05:42 Finance Committee.
10:05:43 Councilwoman Mulhern.
10:05:44 >>MARY MULHERN: I move item 17 through 19.
10:05:52 >> Second.
10:05:54 >>THOMAS SCOTT: All in favor?
10:06:03 We are holding now --
10:06:05 >>MARY MULHERN: --
10:06:11 >> 20 through 24, I believe.
10:06:14 >>MARY MULHERN: 20 through 22.
10:06:18 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: 20 to 22.
10:06:21 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Okay.
10:06:28 Let me add back in item 21 and 22, and hold item 20.
10:06:33 Can we do that?
10:06:35 I got the answer to 21 and 22.
10:06:37 >> Then I'll move item 21.
10:06:41 >>THOMAS SCOTT: To 22.
10:06:43 >> To under staff reports.
10:06:46 So I move item 21.
10:06:47 >> Second.
10:06:48 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Moved and seconded.
10:06:50 All in favor?
10:06:56 Building and zoning.
10:06:57 Councilman Caetano.
10:06:58 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: I want to move items 23 to 55,
10:07:05 and we'll leave out, 23, 24, 28, 38, 42 and 53.
10:07:15 >>THOMAS SCOTT: We are only going to pull out item 23
10:07:15 and 28. You can leave the rest of them in there. I
10:07:16 got the answers on the other ones.
10:07:23 Moved and seconded.
10:07:24 All in favor?
10:07:29 Transportation committee.
10:07:41 Councilwoman Capin.
10:07:43 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I move items 56 through 60.
10:07:50 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Second.
10:07:50 >>THOMAS SCOTT: All in favor? Opposes?
10:07:53 Then we need to set the items.
10:07:55 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Set for public hearings items 61 and
10:07:57 62 as substituted.
10:08:00 And 63.
10:08:01 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Mr. Chairman, if I may.
10:08:04 Just to direct your attention to item number 61.
10:08:09 And the request came through setting the public hearing
10:08:15 for 1:30 in the afternoon on November 18.
10:08:19 And I believe council wishes to change its policy in
10:08:22 that regard to remind you November 18th is your
10:08:25 last meeting before Thanksgiving break.
10:08:29 You have a regular council meeting scheduled for the
10:08:32 You have an evening meeting.
10:08:33 And I guess my question would be do you wish to have
10:08:36 this hearing set for the morning?
10:08:42 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Yes.
10:08:42 >>JULIA COLE: Legal department.
10:08:44 It is possible, but if I could, I would like to present
10:08:47 a substitute resolution, because per the notification
10:08:51 for vacations of right-of-way is actually the
10:08:55 resolution setting the public hearing.
10:08:56 So I'll go ahead and put a substitute, and if you could
10:09:04 give me the time you want to schedule it for we'll go
10:09:06 ahead and get that.
10:09:07 >>THOMAS SCOTT: I thought we voted on our last regular
10:09:10 meeting to start doing everything on the morning agenda
10:09:12 because the morning agenda has gotten shorter, so we
10:09:15 said that we will start trying to get everything on the
10:09:17 morning agenda.
10:09:18 >>JULIA COLE: I think this probably went into problem
10:09:20 sees prior to that motion being made but we can change
10:09:23 I just would like to revise the resolution and bring
10:09:25 that back, because that resolution is in fact what is
10:09:28 mailed out.
10:09:28 >>MARTIN SHELBY: If we can hold that then.
10:09:30 And Ms. Cole, if that could be set for 10:30 a.m.?
10:09:35 >>> I can make that happen.
10:09:36 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you. So we'll move 62 and 63.
10:09:39 Moved and seconded.
10:09:42 All in favor signify by saying Aye.
10:09:46 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Excuse me.
10:09:47 Forgive me.
10:09:50 You will recall, I looked at item 63.
10:09:52 I'm sorry I missed that.
10:09:53 That is also -- Ms. Cole, item 63 is a VRB hearing.
10:09:58 I don't know be if that's going to be the same issue.
10:10:00 >>JULIA COLE: No, you can schedule that by motion.
10:10:03 The vacations and the right-of-way are only ones that
10:10:05 require the actual resolution to be mailed out.
10:10:08 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Could you make a motion to amend
10:10:10 number 63 to 10:30 a.m. on November 18th?
10:10:15 >>MARY MULHERN: So moved.
10:10:16 >> Second.
10:10:18 >>THOMAS SCOTT: All in favor?
10:10:19 >>JULIA COLE: And I'll make sure that all the
10:10:21 attorneys in the land use group understand in
10:10:23 scheduling the public hearing, that they schedule them
10:10:25 all beginning at 10:30.
10:10:28 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you very much.
10:10:29 93:06 public hearings.
10:10:31 Reading of the second ordinance.
10:10:33 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'll move all those items be read at
10:10:35 9:30 at second reading, to open, 64 through 77, I
10:10:43 believe, 73 moved earlier to 10-21.
10:10:47 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: Second.
10:10:51 >>THOMAS SCOTT: All in favor?
10:10:55 Thank you very much.
10:10:55 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Mr. Chairman, I believe 64 was taken
10:11:00 care of.
10:11:01 >>THOMAS SCOTT: 64 has been continued.
10:11:04 >> Even item 65.
10:11:24 >> I'll move the ordinance.
10:11:27 >>THOMAS SCOTT: All in favor to close?
10:11:30 (Motion carried).
10:11:31 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: An ordinance of the city of Tampa,
10:11:33 Florida making revisions to the City of Tampa code of
10:11:35 ordinances chapter 22, section 22-103 to provide for
10:11:39 certain exceptions when new sidewalk construction is
10:11:42 required and a certain exception when a contribution to
10:11:44 the sidewalk trust fund is made in lieu of construction
10:11:47 of a sidewalk is required providing for severability,
10:11:50 providing for repeal of all ordinances oar technical
10:11:52 manuals or resolution in conflict here with, providing
10:11:57 an effective date.
10:11:57 >>THOMAS SCOTT: This is where you have been working on
10:11:59 for some time on the sidewalks?
10:12:01 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Yes, sir.
10:12:01 I had curls when this first started.
10:12:03 >>THOMAS SCOTT: So we are making progress.
10:12:05 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Yes, sir.
10:12:06 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Okay.
10:12:07 Moved and seconded.
10:12:08 Record your vote.
10:12:25 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried with Miller being absent.
10:12:27 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you, Mr. Miranda, for your
10:12:30 leadership on that.
10:12:31 Item 66.
10:12:31 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Items number 66 through 77 are
10:12:36 quasi-judicial and require witnesses to be sworn.
10:12:39 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Okay.
10:12:39 Everybody please stand and be sworn, if you are going
10:12:42 to be speaking, if you think you want to speak, stand
10:12:44 and be sworn.
10:12:45 (Oath administered by Clerk).
10:12:59 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I ask that all written communications
10:13:01 which have been available for public inspection in City
10:13:03 Council's office be received and filed into the record
10:13:05 by motion at this time.
10:13:05 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Is there a second?
10:13:10 >> Second.
10:13:11 >>THOMAS SCOTT: All in favor?
10:13:13 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Second, just to remind the public
10:13:15 there is a sign-northbound sheet outside, and to assist
10:13:18 the clerk please make sure if you do speak today that
10:13:20 you have signed the sign-northbound sheet.
10:13:22 And lastly, council, if there's been any ex parte
10:13:26 communications with any member of the public in
10:13:28 relation to any of today's hearings, please disclose
10:13:30 that prior to council taking action on that item.
10:13:34 Thank you.
10:13:34 >> Item 66.
10:13:46 Anyone from the public?
10:13:47 Motion to close?
10:13:51 >>MARY MULHERN: So moved.
10:13:53 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Second.
10:13:54 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Moved and seconded
10:13:58 Mr. Stokes?
10:14:00 >>CURTIS STOKES: An ordinance of the city of Tampa,
10:14:01 Florida renaming certain real property located at 5000
10:14:05 north river Boulevard Tampa, Florida that has been
10:14:08 dedicated as river crest linear park to Ignacio Haya
10:14:13 linear park providing for severability, repealing all
10:14:16 ordinances or parts of ordinances in conflict herewith,
10:14:20 providing an effective date.
10:14:20 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Moved and seconded by Councilwoman
10:14:23 All in favor record your vote.
10:14:32 >> Motion carried with Miller being absent and Miranda
10:14:35 being absent at vote.
10:14:38 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Item 67.
10:14:38 Anyone from the public wish to address council on item
10:14:43 Motion to close?
10:14:46 >> So moved.
10:14:47 >> Second.
10:14:47 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Moved by councilman Stokes, seconded
10:14:50 by councilman Caetano.
10:14:51 All in favor?
10:14:52 Item 67.
10:14:53 Councilwoman Mulhern.
10:14:54 >>MARY MULHERN: I move an ordinance being presented
10:15:00 for second reading and adoption.
10:15:01 An ordinance of the city of Tampa, Florida approving an
10:15:04 amended and restated development order for the Tampa
10:15:06 Bay center development of regional impact DRI number
10:15:09 16, previously approved development of regional impact
10:15:13 rendered pursuant to chapter 380, Florida statutes,
10:15:16 providing an effective date here hereof.
10:15:20 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: Second.
10:15:22 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Moved and seconded.
10:15:23 Record your vote.
10:15:24 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried with Miller being absent
10:15:33 and Miranda being absent at vote.
10:15:35 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Item 68.
10:15:38 Item 68.
10:15:40 Motion to close?
10:15:41 >> Move to close.
10:15:44 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: Second.
10:15:44 >>THOMAS SCOTT: All in favor?
10:15:46 Item 68.
10:15:47 Councilwoman Capin.
10:15:49 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
10:15:50 I move to adopt the following ordinance for second
10:15:54 An ordinance of the city of Tampa, Florida approving an
10:15:57 amended and restated development order for the Tampa
10:16:00 Bay center limited partnership parcels development of
10:16:03 regional impact DRI number 16-A, a previously approved
10:16:08 development of regional impact rendered pursuant to
10:16:11 chapter 380, Florida statutes, providing an effective
10:16:14 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Second?
10:16:16 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Second.
10:16:17 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Record your vote.
10:16:24 Item 68.
10:16:27 Record your vote.
10:16:40 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: I voted once.
10:16:46 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried with Miller being absent.
10:16:48 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Stem 69.
10:16:49 Anyone from the public wish to address council?
10:16:57 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Move to close.
10:16:57 >> Second.
10:16:58 >>THOMAS SCOTT: All in favor?
10:17:00 Item 69.
10:17:00 Councilman Caetano.
10:17:02 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: An ordinance presented for
10:17:04 certificated reading and adoption, an ordinance of the
10:17:07 City of Tampa approving an amended and restate
10:17:10 development order for the Tampa Bay center school
10:17:13 parcel development of regional impact DRI 16-B a
10:17:16 previously approved development of regional impact
10:17:18 rendered pursuant to chapter 380 Florida statutes,
10:17:22 providing an effective date.
10:17:25 Original motion to place this ordinance on first
10:17:28 reading initiated by Miranda.
10:17:29 When don't need that
10:17:30 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Is there a second?
10:17:37 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Second.
10:17:38 >>THOMAS SCOTT: By councilman Miranda.
10:17:41 Record your vote.
10:17:50 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried with Miller being absent.
10:17:52 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Item 70.
10:17:55 Item 70.
10:17:56 Anyone from the public wish to address council?
10:17:59 Anyone from the public?
10:18:00 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I believe that council member Stokes,
10:18:04 you will be abstaining from this?
10:18:11 >> Yes, I will.
10:18:11 >> It involves first third bank by which you are
10:18:17 >> Yes.
10:18:18 >> Land development.
10:18:21 Item 70, 71, 72, 74, 75, 76, 77, 78 and 80 all require
10:18:31 certified site plans.
10:18:32 Site plans have been certified and provided to the
10:18:35 Copies are available for council.
10:18:40 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Now move to close.
10:18:41 >> Second.
10:18:42 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Moved and seconded.
10:18:43 All in favor?
10:18:47 Councilman Stokes can't read that.
10:18:52 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: He's abstaining.
10:18:53 >>MARY MULHERN: I move an ordinance being presented
10:18:57 for second reading and adoption, approving a special
10:19:01 using permit S 2 approving a bank drive-in window in a
10:19:04 VC commercial general in the general vicinity of 2206
10:19:09 east Fowler Avenue in the city of Tampa, Florida and as
10:19:11 more particularly described in section 1 hereof
10:19:18 providing an effective date.
10:19:20 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Moved and seconded.
10:19:22 Record your vote.
10:19:36 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried with Miller being absent
10:19:38 and Stokes abstaining.
10:19:39 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Anyone wishing to addressing council
10:19:41 on item 71?
10:19:42 Item 71.
10:19:44 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Move to close.
10:19:45 >> Second.
10:19:46 >>THOMAS SCOTT: All in favor?
10:19:50 71, councilman Stokes, do you want to read that?
10:19:55 >>CURTIS STOKES: An ordinance being presented for
10:19:56 second reading and adoption, an ordinance approving a
10:19:59 special use permit S-2 for alcoholic beverage sales
10:20:02 small venue and making lawful the sale of beverages
10:20:04 containing alcohol of more than 1% by weight and not
10:20:07 more than 14% by weight and wines regardless of
10:20:10 alcoholic content beer and wine 2(COP-R) for
10:20:13 consumption on the premises only in connection with a
10:20:15 restaurant business establishment on that certain lot,
10:20:18 plot or tract of land located at 3501-3503 North
10:20:23 Armenia Avenue, Tampa, Florida, as more particularly
10:20:26 described in section 2 hereof, providing for repeal of
10:20:29 all ordinances in conflict, providing an effective
10:20:36 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: This close he is alcohol before
10:20:38 midnight, or at midnight?
10:20:41 >>ABBYE FEELEY: Land development.
10:20:46 Let me just check for that.
10:20:48 Catherine Coyle had presented this case to you on
10:20:51 September 23rd.
10:20:55 Yes, sir.
10:21:00 Hours of operation will be Monday through Sunday,
10:21:02 8 a.m. to 9 p.m.
10:21:06 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
10:21:07 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Moved and seconded by Councilwoman
10:21:09 Record your vote.
10:21:19 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried with Miller being absent.
10:21:21 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Item 72.
10:21:24 Item 72.
10:21:25 Anyone from the public wish to address council?
10:21:29 Moved and seconded.
10:21:31 All in favor?
10:21:33 Item 72. Councilman Miranda.
10:21:36 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I am going to move it because it
10:21:39 closes by midnight.
10:21:40 I move an ordinance repealing ordinance for second
10:21:43 reading and adoption number 2007-169 approving a
10:21:48 special use permit S-2 for alcoholic beverage sales
10:21:51 small venue and making lawful the sale of beverages
10:21:53 containing alcohol of more than 1% by weight and not
10:21:56 more than 14% by weight and wines regardless of
10:21:58 alcoholic content beer and wine 2(COP-R) for
10:22:01 consumption on premises only in connection with a
10:22:03 restaurant business establishment on that certain lot
10:22:06 plot or tract of land located at 2507 South MacDill
10:22:09 Avenue and 3105 west Palmira Avenue Tampa, Florida as
10:22:13 more particularly described in section 3 hereof
10:22:15 providing for repeal of all ordinances in conflict,
10:22:19 providing an effective date.
10:22:19 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Seconded by Councilwoman Mulhern.
10:22:27 Record your vote.
10:22:28 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried with Miller being absent.
10:22:30 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Item 74.
10:22:34 Anyone from the public?
10:22:35 Anyone from the public wish to address council?
10:22:37 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Move to close.
10:22:39 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: Second.
10:22:39 >>THOMAS SCOTT: All in favor?
10:22:41 All right.
10:22:43 Item 74.
10:22:44 Councilwoman Capin.
10:22:47 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I move to adopt the following ordinance
10:22:49 for second reading.
10:22:51 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Second.
10:22:53 >>YVONNE CAPIN: An ordinance rezoning property in the
10:22:55 general vicinity of 1307 West Kennedy Boulevard and 109
10:22:59 north Willow Avenue in the City of Tampa and more
10:23:02 particularly described in section 1 from zoning
10:23:04 district classifications CI commercial intensive and IG
10:23:08 industrial general to PD planned development, medical
10:23:12 and business/professional office, hospital, hotel will
10:23:18 be motel daycare and nursery facility college and all
10:23:22 CI uses providing an effective date.
10:23:24 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Seconded by councilman Miranda.
10:23:25 Record your vote.
10:23:36 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried with Miller being absent
10:23:39 and Mulhern being absent at vote.
10:23:43 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Item 75.
10:23:44 Anyone from the public wish to address council?
10:23:46 Item 75. 75.
10:23:48 Anyone from the public?
10:23:49 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Move to close.
10:24:01 >>> My name is Joseph Brantley, 4732 Bay Vista Avenue,
10:24:08 and I have been sworn in before.
10:24:12 The last time I was here, I felt like I was battling a
10:24:26 losing cause, I thought, because I know how things
10:24:28 work, unfortunately.
10:24:31 I'll make a little comment.
10:24:32 I will say one thing.
10:24:37 I send letters constantly to Washington and get letters
10:24:39 from congressmen from all over the country, and every
10:24:43 letter I write to Washington, I write, I love my
10:24:49 In all the letters I write, I love my country.
10:24:52 It's the government I'm afraid of.
10:24:54 And that's the way I feel as an individual,
10:24:58 It's a shame that I feel that way.
10:24:59 But that's the way I feel.
10:25:01 Anyway, I got a picture here of my house before I did
10:25:08 the remodeling.
10:25:14 You can see how it was.
10:25:20 It was supposed to be a residential community, and I
10:25:22 remodeled my home.
10:25:25 And you can see it looks a lot better now.
10:25:27 It doesn't have that driveway because I changed the
10:25:30 driveway over to the Westshore side.
10:25:36 But I'm against changing the residential to commercial
10:25:44 or whatever they are going to put it in there.
10:25:46 Mainly because I have seen other areas.
10:25:51 When I first moved into that neighborhood, like I said,
10:25:54 back in 1951, I used to drive back and forth.
10:26:00 I worked at the airport.
10:26:01 I went back and forth between Westshore.
10:26:05 And everything on the Beach Park area south of Sunset
10:26:09 Park, all these areas south, on the west side of
10:26:13 Westshore, evidently was set up for business, because
10:26:17 they had trailer parks, a small little store close to
10:26:21 my house.
10:26:22 It was all on the west side.
10:26:26 The east side was set up for residential.
10:26:30 And that's the reason I bought the house there.
10:26:33 I did remodeling and everything.
10:26:35 Now they are going to change.
10:26:37 I know in the past I see where you change one area, the
10:26:40 first thing you know there's a second area, and then a
10:26:42 third area.
10:26:43 And that's why I'm against it.
10:26:45 I do not favor changing it from RS to anything else.
10:26:51 That's all I have to say, folks.
10:26:53 I'm sorry.
10:26:55 That's just the way I feel.
10:27:03 I joined the marine corps many years ago and fought for
10:27:10 this country and in a way I feel sorry for the way it's
10:27:14 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Next speaker.
10:27:15 Thank you.
10:27:16 >> My name is Richard O'Brien.
10:27:22 I'm the agent, and I have been sworn.
10:27:25 I just wanted to basically restate what we have stated
10:27:29 We had worked with the neighborhood and had virtually
10:27:32 unanimous support.
10:27:34 And then also with the neighborhood association, Jerry
10:27:37 Houser the president of bayside west did do a vote and
10:27:40 it was an overwhelming majority in support.
10:27:43 And of course if we, being a site plan rezoning, in the
10:27:48 future, if anybody wanted to do anything different,
10:27:50 they would, obviously, have to go back before City
10:27:54 Thank you very much.
10:27:55 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you.
10:27:58 Anyone else?
10:27:58 >> May I make a statement?
10:28:03 >> No, sir, you can't do have that.
10:28:04 Sorry about that.
10:28:04 Anyone else?
10:28:05 Motion to close.
10:28:06 >> So moved.
10:28:08 >> Second.
10:28:09 >>THOMAS SCOTT: All in favor?
10:28:11 Councilwoman Capin.
10:28:17 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I move to adopt the following ordinance
10:28:20 for second reading, an ordinance rezoning property in
10:28:22 the general vicinity of 4733 west Bay Vista Avenue in
10:28:27 the city of Tampa, Florida and more particularly
10:28:30 described in section 1 from zoning district
10:28:32 classifications RS-60 residential single to PD planned
10:28:37 development, office, business, professional, providing
10:28:40 an effective date.
10:28:40 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Is there a second?
10:28:43 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Second.
10:28:43 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Okay.
10:28:47 Councilwoman Mulhern.
10:28:48 >>MARY MULHERN: Mr. Brantley, I vote against this and
10:28:53 I will be voting against it again.
10:28:56 And while the plans for this office building look
10:29:02 really nice, and I think it's, you know, it will be an
10:29:07 acceptable thing to the neighborhood in general, we
10:29:12 have one of the long-time neighbors here who lives
10:29:15 adjacent to it, and I think this is -- there is a trend
10:29:20 as you go south on Westshore.
10:29:22 However, everything, it's mostly still residential
10:29:27 surrounding there.
10:29:29 And the -- you know, Mr. Brantley and other people are
10:29:33 told here, well, this doesn't mean that anyone else can
10:29:37 build anything like this.
10:29:38 But actually, as council approves this, it becomes the
10:29:43 And we are showing that today if we do pass this.
10:29:47 So this is similar to a lot of other neighborhoods
10:29:50 where a street has become more intense like Westshore
10:29:55 has, and very similar to say, you know, West Tampa up
10:30:02 by St. Josephs, Mr. Miranda's neighborhood, where all
10:30:06 of the residential streets have gradually become
10:30:12 commercial or office and, you know, it's just a
10:30:18 slippery slope, and I think considering those are all
10:30:20 houses around there, and the other thing that really
10:30:27 strikes me, especially in the South Tampa desirable
10:30:30 neighborhoods westbound good public schools, those
10:30:35 houses that are on the corners of busier street are
10:30:39 really some of the only affordable houses, and they are
10:30:42 smaller, and the smaller houses like these ranch houses
10:30:45 that were built are the houses that young families can
10:30:49 afford to buy or to rent.
10:30:51 So I'm not going to be supporting this.
10:30:52 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Moved and seconded by councilman
10:30:57 Record your vote.
10:31:05 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried with Miller being absent
10:31:07 and Mulhern voting no.
10:31:08 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Item 76.
10:31:12 Anyone from the public wish to address council on item
10:31:14 >> Move to close.
10:31:22 >> Second.
10:31:23 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Item 76.
10:31:25 Councilman Caetano?
10:31:27 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: An ordinance presented for second
10:31:29 reading and adoption, an ordinance rezoning property in
10:31:31 the general vicinity of 3324 and 3330 South MacDill
10:31:36 Avenue in the city of Tampa, Florida and more
10:31:38 particularly described in section 1 from zoning
10:31:40 district classifications PD planned development,
10:31:43 office, business, professional, multifamily, and RO-1
10:31:48 residential office-1, to PD, planned development,
10:31:52 congregate living facility, large group care, providing
10:31:56 an effective date.
10:31:56 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Seconded by councilman Miranda.
10:32:00 Record your vote.
10:32:01 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried with Miller being absent.
10:32:15 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Item 77.
10:32:17 Anyone from the public wish to address council on item
10:32:20 Anyone from the public?
10:32:22 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Move to close.
10:32:23 >> Second.
10:32:24 >>THOMAS SCOTT: All in favor?
10:32:26 Item 77.
10:32:27 Councilman Stokes.
10:32:31 >>CURTIS STOKES: Ordinance being presented for second
10:32:33 reading and adoption.
10:32:34 An ordinance rezoning property in the general vicinity
10:32:36 of 5142, 5210 and 5220 West Spruce Street in the city
10:32:41 of Tampa, Florida and more particularly described in
10:32:43 section 1 from zoning district classifications PD
10:32:46 planned development, business/professional office,
10:32:50 hotel, general retail, restaurant, to PD, planned
10:32:52 development, business/professional office, medical
10:32:55 office, hotel, airport shuttle service, principal
10:32:58 parking, general retail, restaurant, vehicle leasing,
10:33:02 providing an effective date.
10:33:02 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Seconded by councilman Miranda.
10:33:06 Record your vote.
10:33:16 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried with Miller being absent.
10:33:23 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Council, we have the 10:30 time for
10:33:26 staff reports.
10:33:27 I would like to get through the 10:00 items within the
10:33:31 next five or ten minutes.
10:33:32 Let's try that.
10:33:33 And then we'll take up staff reports right after that.
10:33:36 Item 78.
10:33:37 Item 78.
10:33:38 Anyone here wishing to address council on item 78?
10:33:41 >> Dennis Fernandez, historic, design manager.
10:33:50 >>THOMAS SCOTT: I think Mr. Miranda opened all these
10:33:53 items, I believe, did you not earlier?
10:33:56 >> All through 80.
10:33:59 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Through 80.
10:34:02 >> Second.
10:34:04 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Moved and seconded.
10:34:08 You're on a roll, Mr. Miranda.
10:34:10 All in favor signify by saying Aye.
10:34:14 Go ahead.
10:34:14 >> I'm here on two items today before you which is a
10:34:19 pleasure to be here with a recommendation for the HPC
10:34:22 to create various historic designations for the
10:34:26 The first being item number 78 which is a multiple
10:34:30 properties listing for the Beach Park neighborhood.
10:34:34 I have a brief PowerPoint on that.
10:34:40 On your monitor, the proposal is for a multiple
10:34:43 properties grouping in the Beach Park neighborhood.
10:34:46 This is a very early established neighborhood of the
10:34:50 City of Tampa.
10:34:51 In 1923, developer T. Roy Young purchased 350 acres of
10:34:57 Culbreath's orange groves and with his partners they
10:35:01 planned to develop to a residential community Beach
10:35:03 Park on the bay.
10:35:06 You see in the 1931 map the early development plans for
10:35:10 the area parts it out with residential and commercial
10:35:15 uses and also there were definitive gateways created
10:35:19 for this particular neighborhood, one off of Swann and
10:35:23 Lois which is recently rehabilitate and a second at
10:35:25 Cleveland hand Westshore which unfortunately is no
10:35:27 longer in existence.
10:35:31 The Beach Park development company had afternoon series
10:35:36 of man made canals and bayous, creating an idealic
10:35:40 planned community, one of the first for the City of
10:35:42 Actually this was in the county when it was actually
10:35:46 And taking its key from other successful upscale
10:35:50 developments in Florida, Mediterranean revival was
10:35:54 chosen takes preferred architectural style, and believe
10:35:56 it or not back then they actually had an architecture
10:35:59 review board which reviewed these designs and found
10:36:01 that they were acceptable to the quality and design of
10:36:04 the neighborhood.
10:36:06 The staff initially engaged in a survey of the
10:36:10 remaining original structures.
10:36:13 We determined that 78 buildings remain from the
10:36:16 original Beach Park development company, based on a
10:36:19 previous survey.
10:36:20 65 actually remained that were considered to be
10:36:23 The others had been altered and lost their historic
10:36:28 The staff essentially sent letters to the property
10:36:30 owners, asked if they were interested in participating
10:36:34 in a development of a designation.
10:36:36 We received eight initial applications, and those are
10:36:39 the ones that were we are here before you on today.
10:36:42 And you see those spread out throughout the
10:36:46 Since our initial outreach to the neighborhood, we have
10:36:49 received additional letters and we'll process those at
10:36:52 a future date.
10:36:53 And just to quickly go through those, we have 4510 west
10:36:58 Beach Way Drive built in 1926, 4508 west Rosemere road
10:37:06 built in 1924, 45606 Sylvan ramble constructed in 1925,
10:37:14 4505 west Beach Park drive constructed in 1925, 4521
10:37:21 west Azeele street constructed in 1929, 704 Westshore
10:37:28 Boulevard constructed in 19256, 414 royal palm way
10:37:35 constructed in 1925, 407 royal palm way constructed in
10:37:47 Under our code, these particular properties satisfy the
10:37:51 criteria under criteria A, community planning and
10:37:55 development, and criteria C, architecture.
10:37:59 And there's the recommendation of the Historic
10:38:00 Preservation Commission that the multiple properties
10:38:03 designation be created.
10:38:05 Thank you.
10:38:05 That completes this presentation.
10:38:07 >>MARY MULHERN: Did you say this is the is the first
10:38:13 time we have done this or first time of in this
10:38:16 >> This would be the first -- first multiple property
10:38:20 district within Beach Park.
10:38:21 >>MARY MULHERN: But we have them in other?
10:38:25 >> We have other property designations.
10:38:27 >>MARY MULHERN: Thank you.
10:38:30 >>> Sure.
10:38:30 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Of this is a demonstration of how the
10:38:34 neighborhood came and moved Ford cohesively?
10:38:39 >>> That's correct.
10:38:40 We did a lot of outreach we've this particular
10:38:42 neighborhood and we think they have a program that they
10:38:44 are interested in participating.
10:38:45 >> Which this is how you want it to work.
10:38:50 >>MARY MULHERN: That's great because they all
10:38:52 individually opted in.
10:38:54 >>THOMAS SCOTT: That's what I'm saying.
10:38:56 The process, you know, you have them involved, and they
10:39:01 all participated, and as a result of that, it's moving
10:39:06 So I think we have to commend Beach Park for their
10:39:10 working together, their cohesiveness and support in
10:39:14 moving this forward.
10:39:15 And thank the staff.
10:39:19 Anyone from the public wish to address council on this
10:39:21 This is a public hearing.
10:39:24 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Move to close.
10:39:26 >> Second.
10:39:27 >>THOMAS SCOTT: All in favor?
10:39:29 Councilwoman Capin, do you want to read that?
10:39:35 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I'll read it.
10:39:38 At least five or six of these were my neighbors for ten
10:39:41 years, and it is a wonderful neighborhood and very
10:39:44 cooperative with each other.
10:39:47 So here we go.
10:39:52 Move to adopt for first adoption public hearing, an
10:39:56 ordinance of the city of Tampa, Florida creating Beach
10:39:58 Park multiple properties designation to include
10:40:01 properties located at 4505 and 4510 west Beachway
10:40:06 drive, 4508 west Rosemere road, 4506 Sylvan ramble,
10:40:13 4521 west Azeele street, 704 and 801 South Westshore
10:40:19 Boulevard, 407 and 414 royal palm way --
10:40:25 >> Excuse me, there's a substitute.
10:40:27 >> I'm sorry.
10:40:31 Thank you.
10:40:31 >> Substitute ordinance for first reading.
10:40:37 >> Substitute ordinance being presented for first
10:40:39 reading consideration.
10:40:40 An ordinance of the city of Tampa, Florida creating
10:40:43 Beach Park multiple properties designation to include
10:40:45 properties located at 4505 and 4510 west Beachway
10:40:50 drive, 4508 west Rosemere road, 4506 Sylvan ramble,
10:40:56 4521 west Azeele street, 704 South Westshore Boulevard,
10:41:02 407 and 414 royal palm way, Tampa, Florida, A as more
10:41:08 particularly described in section 3 hereof, as a local
10:41:11 landmark, providing for repeal of all ordinances in
10:41:14 conflict, providing for severability, providing an
10:41:18 effective date.
10:41:18 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Moved and seconded.
10:41:21 All in favor signify by saying Aye.
10:41:26 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried with Miller being absent.
10:41:28 Second reading of the ordinance will be held October
10:41:31 21st at 9:30 a.m.
10:41:33 >> item 79.
10:41:38 >>DENNIS FERNANDEZ: Dennis Fernandez, historic
10:41:39 preservation, urban design manager, here on the
10:41:41 proposed designation.
10:41:43 Roy Jenkins swimming pool at 154 Columbia drive as a
10:41:48 local landmark.
10:41:49 And you have a presentation on that as well.
10:41:55 The Roy Jenkins swimming pool formerly known as the
10:41:58 Davis Island swimming pool was constructed as part of
10:42:00 the Davis Island development in 1929.
10:42:03 You have a picture from 1931 on your monitor.
10:42:08 It is located on the eastern side of Davis Island west
10:42:11 of the yacht basin and the baseball fields.
10:42:15 You see the highlighted area.
10:42:19 BP Davis developed the Davis Island by dredging 9
10:42:22 million cubic yards of sand out of Hillsborough bay to
10:42:26 stabilize and expand the mud flats formerly known as
10:42:29 little and big grassy island.
10:42:32 You see Mr. Davis on the left.
10:42:34 His vision of a Venetian paradise with the
10:42:37 Mediterranean style civic and commercial residential
10:42:39 buildings with amenities addressing all forms of luxury
10:42:42 community living year round was embodied in the Davis
10:42:45 Islands community, and one of the most important
10:42:48 components of that was this vision of a Roman pool
10:42:51 which we see manifested in the Roy Jenkins pool.
10:42:57 After experiencing a number of financial problems the
10:43:01 Webster stone development group took over the project
10:43:04 from Davis and continued to build it.
10:43:06 Although they did attempt to down-size the project
10:43:10 somewhat, it did end up completing the vision of that
10:43:14 Mr. Davis originally had.
10:43:18 The outside of the pool demonstrates all the hallmarks
10:43:21 of Mediterranean revival signs, tiled roofs, punched
10:43:31 The park still maintains its footprint.
10:43:34 However, no longer remains it's lushly landscaped
10:43:39 gardens that it featured.
10:43:41 There's a set of exterior stairs which flanked the
10:43:44 towers at both ends with designs and plaster cast
10:43:50 The open entry is gated with additional Franking and
10:43:54 enter your stairs.
10:43:55 The entire counter has ceramic tile and additional
10:43:58 plaster detailing.
10:44:01 Currently closed for evaluation, the three sections of
10:44:03 the pool are drained, to the north end has a covered
10:44:08 resting area with an open rafter system.
10:44:11 The basement levels house mechanics and locker rooms,
10:44:16 with windows to allow light in.
10:44:20 This is not the first historic pool, above-ground pool
10:44:24 to be designated, both in the state or in the City of
10:44:26 Tampa around the country.
10:44:28 Other above-ground pools in Florida including the Coral
10:44:31 Gables pool, the built-in -- the same period of time.
10:44:39 You see that on the left, listed in 19981 in the
10:44:43 national register of historic places.
10:44:47 The pool, built in 1937, a landmark of the City of
10:44:55 Tampa, the same designer designed the pool that is
10:44:58 featured in the upper left there.
10:45:00 Built in Missouri in 1936 and then in 19226 have an
10:45:05 additional one on the national register located in
10:45:13 The Roy Jenkins pool meets the criteria under the local
10:45:16 ordinance for designation under community planning and
10:45:20 development as an integral part of the Davis Islands
10:45:23 development, and plan, and under architecture as one of
10:45:27 the remaining original elements of Davis Island.
10:45:30 One of the first planned communities in the City of
10:45:31 Tampa featuring Mediterranean revival architecture.
10:45:37 As a footnote, Mr. Jenkins who was honored with the
10:45:41 pool's naming in 1965, he had passed away in 1964.
10:45:45 He was an avid proponent of aquatic safety and
10:45:50 dedicated his life for many years to the Red Cross and
10:45:52 its life saving program.
10:45:53 That concludes my presentation.
10:45:55 And the recommendation of the HPC is to landmark this
10:45:59 particular structure.
10:46:01 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Let me just say that this was initiated
10:46:05 by council under the leadership of Councilwoman Mulhern
10:46:08 who I think made the motion and led the discussion on
10:46:12 this, and for the renovation of this particular pool,
10:46:20 as I recall.
10:46:22 This has been two budget cycles ago, right?
10:46:27 >>MARY MULHERN: Thank you for reminding me.
10:46:29 I was wondering about this.
10:46:31 It's not really a question for Dennis, but you probably
10:46:33 know where we are as far as of what we have committed,
10:46:38 what this administration has committed to toward the
10:46:42 >> I have to say at this point, contract administration
10:46:48 has issued a request for qualifications to individual
10:46:51 architect and engineers in the community.
10:46:53 That was done in July.
10:46:54 They have created a short list.
10:46:56 I believe there's three and we'll be making a decision
10:47:00 on the appropriate contractor engineer in the upcoming
10:47:03 And that's essentially the status I'm aware of.
10:47:08 >>THOMAS SCOTT: I do believe, though, I was briefed
10:47:13 that administration do feel that this would be kind of
10:47:16 hard to move forward in the future in terms of the
10:47:18 upkeep, because of historic designation now.
10:47:21 Is that accurate?
10:47:22 >>> Well, the initial assessment of the pool noted a
10:47:30 number of issues that needed to be resolved.
10:47:34 To me the issues were health and safety dealing with
10:47:37 how the water is filtered, the filtration system that's
10:47:40 in place, although state of the art in 1929, obviously
10:47:45 it does not meet today's requirements.
10:47:46 There were also a number of accessibility issues
10:47:50 dealing with the ladders and the way that the pool is
10:47:54 And also health issues, safety issues related to some
10:47:58 of the gradings and separators and overflow systems
10:48:02 that are in place.
10:48:03 These are very common challenges to historic
10:48:11 Our goal is to accommodate these challenges in the most
10:48:13 sensitive way.
10:48:14 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you.
10:48:15 Anyone from the public wish to address council on this
10:48:20 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Move to close.
10:48:21 >> Second.
10:48:22 >>THOMAS SCOTT: All in favor?
10:48:23 Councilwoman Mulhern, do you want to read that?
10:48:25 >>MARY MULHERN: I move an ordinance being presented
10:48:30 for first reading, and first reading consideration, an
10:48:34 ordinance of the city of Tampa, Florida designating the
10:48:37 Roy Jenkins swimming pool locate at 154 Columbia drive,
10:48:41 Tampa, Florida as more particularly described in
10:48:42 section 3 hereof as a local landmark providing for
10:48:46 repeal of all ordinances in conflict, providing for
10:48:48 severability, providing an effective date.
10:48:49 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Seconded by councilman Miranda.
10:48:56 All in favor?
10:48:58 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried with Miller being absent.
10:49:02 Second reading of the ordinance will be held October
10:49:05 21st, 9:30 a.m.
10:49:07 >> Item 80.
10:49:09 Item 80.
10:49:09 Anyone from the public wish to address council on item
10:49:16 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Move to close.
10:49:16 >>MARY MULHERN: Second.
10:49:18 >>THOMAS SCOTT: All in favor?
10:49:20 Councilwoman Mulhern, do you want to read that one?
10:49:25 Stokes and Miranda voted no.
10:49:27 >> Move an ordinance being presented for first reading
10:49:33 and adoption, an ordinance rezoning property in the
10:49:35 general vicinity of 3410 and 3412 west fielder street
10:49:38 in the city of Tampa, Florida and more particularly
10:49:40 described in section 1 from zoning district
10:49:42 classifications RS-50 residential single-family to PD
10:49:46 planned development, residential single-family,
10:49:49 providing an effective date.
10:49:49 >> Voice roll call on that one, please.
10:49:55 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: Yes.
10:50:02 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Yes.
10:50:03 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: No.
10:50:05 >>MARY MULHERN: Yes.
10:50:09 >>CURTIS STOKES: No.
10:50:11 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Yes.
10:50:11 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried with Miranda and Stokes
10:50:16 voting no and Miller being absent.
10:50:19 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Item 81.
10:50:21 Item 81.
10:50:22 Anyone from the public wish to address council on item
10:50:30 Motion to close?
10:50:32 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: So moved.
10:50:35 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Legal?
10:50:39 Okay, moved and seconded.
10:50:40 All in favor signify by saying Aye.
10:50:45 Councilman Miranda, do you want to read?
10:50:48 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Mr. Chairman, this is a first public
10:50:50 hearing for consideration.
10:50:57 Community affairs, City of Tampa agreement between the
10:50:59 State of Florida, Department of Community Affairs, City
10:51:01 of Tampa Florida rock and tank lines, Inc., and spray
10:51:06 MISER, Inc.
10:51:09 >> You should have an ordinance.
10:51:11 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I don't have the ordinance,
10:51:12 Mr. Chairman.
10:51:12 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Do you have the substitute?
10:51:17 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I don't have it here.
10:51:23 Nobody threw me a lifeline.
10:51:28 Thank you all.
10:51:31 Move an ordinance presented for first public hearing,
10:51:37 an honest of the city of Tampa, Florida amending the
10:51:40 Tampa comprehensive plan, definition section by adding
10:51:42 definitions as more particularly described in section 2
10:51:45 below and amending the Tampa comprehensive plan chapter
10:51:47 3 objective 19.7 and associated policies, as more
10:51:51 particularly described in section 3 below, providing
10:51:53 for severability, providing an effective date.
10:51:55 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Been moved and seconded by
10:51:58 Councilwoman Mulhern.
10:52:00 All in favor signify by saying Aye.
10:52:02 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried with Miller being absent.
10:52:05 Second reading of the ordinance will be held on October
10:52:08 21st at 9:30 a.m.
10:52:11 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Move to our staff reports.
10:52:13 >>MARTIN SHELBY: If we can to recall item number 61.
10:52:16 That's the change of times to November 1th at
10:52:20 I do have the resolution that council can move at this
10:52:22 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Motion to move.
10:52:24 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: So move the resolution 61 within the
10:52:27 substitute resolution.
10:52:28 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Seconded by Councilwoman Capin.
10:52:30 All in favor?
10:52:36 All in favor signify by saying Aye.
10:52:40 Thank you.
10:52:41 Staff reports.
10:52:43 Move report item 82.
10:52:46 Item 82.
10:52:51 This is relative to the transit referendum, I guess,
10:52:55 initiated by Miranda and Caetano.
10:52:59 According to the agenda.
10:52:59 >> David singer from Holland and Knight.
10:53:09 Addressing you on an important ballot initiative before
10:53:13 the voters of Hillsborough County in November for a 1%
10:53:20 sales surtax that will fund countywide transportation.
10:53:24 Included in that is 43% of funds to light rail, 32% to
10:53:28 bus service, and 25% to improved and new roads.
10:53:33 This morning, I would like to thank you on behalf of
10:53:37 the community for educating your constituents as to the
10:53:42 particulars of this referendum.
10:53:45 Through the course of public meetings that have been
10:53:47 held in the course of public meetings that are to be
10:53:49 held, you will be educating and have educated the
10:53:52 public on 46 miles of light rail.
10:53:55 And what that means to the community.
10:53:57 Educating the public on doubling the bus fleet,
10:54:00 instituting express bus service, instituting bus rapid
10:54:03 transit, and additional local service, over 400 miles
10:54:08 of new bus service for our constituents and your
10:54:12 Over $800 million in local roads, new roads, bike lanes
10:54:16 and pedestrian walkways.
10:54:19 All of this money as you have educated the public will
10:54:22 be deposited into a dedicated trust fund with a
10:54:25 citizens Oversight Committee, these funds may only be
10:54:29 spent on transportation and may not be used for any
10:54:32 other purpose.
10:54:33 You have educated and will educate about what other
10:54:36 communities have done and what they have seen including
10:54:38 Phoenix, who has seen 7.1 billion dollars of private
10:54:42 investment over the last ten years.
10:54:44 You have educated about Charlotte who has seen almost
10:54:46 $2 billion in private investment over the last three
10:54:49 years in a struggling economy.
10:54:52 And I will remind you again we are talking about 46
10:54:54 miles of just rail here in this county.
10:54:58 In Phoenix it was just 20 miles N.charlotte it was just
10:55:02 eight miles.
10:55:03 You have been educating and will educate the public
10:55:05 about how this initiative is about job creation, about
10:55:08 lowering the unemployment rate here in the city, and
10:55:11 the county, in creating both public sector and private
10:55:14 sector jobs, and helping the 96,000 people many of whom
10:55:18 are your constituents who cannot drive due to age
10:55:22 income or disability in getting them mobility options
10:55:24 which we do not currently have here in Tampa.
10:55:27 In total this is one of the most important and most
10:55:29 comprehensive initiatives ever to face the voters here
10:55:31 in Hillsborough County in the City of Tampa, and we
10:55:34 would like to thank you for your continued education
10:55:36 and your continued leadership surrounding this issue.
10:55:39 And I would certainly entertain any questions that you
10:55:43 may have that would help you continue to educate the
10:55:46 public before November 2nd.
10:55:50 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Any questions by council?
10:55:51 >>MARY MULHERN: Mr. Singer, I just have one question
10:55:56 that I don't know if you heard from all the people on
10:56:00 the next item on the agenda is about bicycle safety.
10:56:03 So can you elaborate a little bit about how bicycle
10:56:09 paths, and also access to the trains?
10:56:15 What you are proposing?
10:56:18 And what is included, where that's included in this
10:56:22 >>> A full 100 million dollars has been approved in
10:56:26 this referendum and in this initiative for sidewalk and
10:56:30 bike lane and bike trail improvements.
10:56:33 The county has committed to ensuring that those
10:56:36 improvements are made.
10:56:38 And they have already approved a list of where those
10:56:41 improvements will be made, and it is available on the
10:56:45 board of county commission Web site and I can certainly
10:56:47 deliver of that to you.
10:56:48 But it is not simply in the City of Tampa, it is not
10:56:51 only here, it is in the county as well.
10:56:54 Bike lanes are a big part of the $100 million
10:56:59 improvement that is dedicated towards intersection and
10:57:02 road improvements.
10:57:05 I don't have the exact list here in front of me but we
10:57:08 do have the exact list.
10:57:09 >>MARY MULHERN: I thought I had heard something
10:57:13 different from Hart or from the county.
10:57:18 Is that what you heard?
10:57:21 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Bike trail?
10:57:24 We discussed it on Tuesday night, I think it was,
10:57:28 and --
10:57:30 >> If I may, the -- Chip Fletcher, city attorney.
10:57:33 The interlocal agreement that you all approved that was
10:57:35 negotiated with the county, Hart, and the thee cities
10:57:39 in Hillsborough County includes a number of projects
10:57:42 that the county will complete with money dedicated to
10:57:47 those projects on the list in the first ten years.
10:57:51 The variety, as Mr. Singer indicated, of the
10:57:54 intersection and road improvements, which include bike
10:57:59 trails, bike lanes, other bike pedestrian improvements,
10:58:02 and so they are a part of that list that's in that
10:58:05 interlocal agreement, and construction that was
10:58:08 approved by Hillsborough County, and that would be the
10:58:10 list this afternoon we would want to reference to come
10:58:12 up with those.
10:58:13 You can certainly pull off the ones that are specific
10:58:17 to bike and pedestrian safety and provide those to you
10:58:20 separately, if you would like.
10:58:22 >>MARY MULHERN: I think that would be really helpful
10:58:24 considering that the obvious interests especially from
10:58:28 people in the City of Tampa and the county about
10:58:32 bicycle safety and that they could see -- their
10:58:39 specific projects have gone through the approval
10:58:41 process in the county, right?
10:58:45 >>CHARLES FLETCHER: That's correct.
10:58:46 There are some in the south county area, some in the
10:58:49 Brandon area.
10:58:50 I'm not sure where they all are.
10:58:52 >>MARY MULHERN: Are there any in the City of Tampa?
10:58:54 >> I would have to look.
10:58:55 I believe so.
10:58:57 But I would have to go and look.
10:58:58 It's not split up by city and unincorporated county.
10:59:03 The list of projects that are approved are countywide
10:59:05 including within the municipalities.
10:59:07 So we would have to look and see.
10:59:10 >> I think that's what we need to see.
10:59:11 That would help.
10:59:13 Thank you.
10:59:14 >>THOMAS SCOTT: And that list, I believe, is for the
10:59:17 first ten years, though, right?
10:59:19 >> Yes, that's the first ten years of the proceeds of
10:59:23 the referendum.
10:59:24 There is a large amount, almost all of it, that is
10:59:28 dedicated for specific transportation projects already
10:59:30 approved by the county in the capital plan, and those
10:59:34 funds will be spent, we project, within the first ten
10:59:37 years, but those projects will get built with the
10:59:39 proceeds to the referendum.
10:59:41 >> And I mention that because should this pass, and
10:59:48 this is in perpetuity, which means other additional
10:59:50 remedies as you move forward.
10:59:53 It will be good, should it pass, we have those relative
10:59:57 to bike trails are highlighted in the first ten years
11:00:01 of the program.
11:00:01 >> Are there any other questions from council that I
11:00:10 can address?
11:00:12 >>CURTIS STOKES: Mr. Singer, there's been some
11:00:14 questions in the community regarding WMBE
11:00:19 >> Just last week at Hart's board meeting, there was a
11:00:23 recommendation from the board to adopt an SBE program,
11:00:27 and there had been adoptions just in the meeting
11:00:32 before, for moneys to be committed to a disparity study
11:00:35 for the WMBE program, that Hart does not currently have
11:00:41 but will have in the future.
11:00:42 >>THOMAS SCOTT: You say voted?
11:00:47 >> The SBE program that was approved on the MBE
11:00:52 It was committed to the Finance Committee which will
11:00:54 then refer back out to the Hart at the next board
11:00:58 meeting for approval.
11:00:58 >> Do they vote on a percentage?
11:01:00 >> I think it's just for the funding for the disparity
11:01:02 study so they can determine the proper percentage.
11:01:05 >>THOMAS SCOTT: So they voted for the disparity study?
11:01:07 >>> Yes, sir.
11:01:08 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Well, let me just say this for the
11:01:12 record, and I don't understand why we have to have a
11:01:19 We already know some of the dollars -- even this
11:01:22 morning that's why I pulled an item this morning on the
11:01:25 We have a contractor coming in for us on larger
11:01:27 amounts, 8 and $10 million, there's only one percent or
11:01:31 two percent to minorities, an embarrassment, it's an
11:01:35 So I don't know why we need a study to know what the
11:01:39 obvious is.
11:01:40 It's there.
11:01:40 And I understand you are with moving Hillsborough
11:01:47 So I'm just simply saying, you want minorities to
11:01:55 support this and pass this and then you are saying,
11:01:58 well, we are going to do a study on this before we can
11:02:00 commit to anything.
11:02:01 That's an embarrassment.
11:02:02 I just want to say that, okay?
11:02:04 >> Trust me that there is no connection between the
11:02:09 campaign and the organization, and your frustration
11:02:12 certainly has --
11:02:13 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Well, that's why I said, I know you
11:02:15 are not the one.
11:02:16 You are on the other side.
11:02:17 I understand.
11:02:17 But I just need to say that, because, you know, the
11:02:21 question was raised as to whether they made a
11:02:25 Now you are on the Hart board.
11:02:27 Is that right?
11:02:28 >>> Yes, sir.
11:02:28 >> So that needs to be conveyed with you being on the
11:02:31 Hart board, when we talk about these studies and all
11:02:35 Yes, sir, I see counsel getting up.
11:02:38 >> If you would like, I can describe why the disparate
11:02:41 study is part of the process to put in a race-conscious
11:02:46 >>THOMAS SCOTT: I have been around a long time, about
11:02:48 14 years, with the county for ten years, been over here
11:02:52 for four.
11:02:52 I understand all the disparity stuff.
11:02:55 I understand what the court says.
11:02:56 But at some point, let's just do what's right, what's
11:02:59 fair for everybody.
11:03:00 We don't need a study for everything.
11:03:04 Let's just do what's right and fair.
11:03:05 And the people who are in power to do that just need to
11:03:08 do it.
11:03:08 That's all.
11:03:12 The entire community needs to benefit from this.
11:03:16 We are talking about a tax that's going to be in
11:03:18 perpetuity for years.
11:03:19 >> Forever.
11:03:24 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Well, forever, that's right.
11:03:27 So let's be fair and do right for everybody.
11:03:30 You don't need to come for a study.
11:03:32 Just sit down and how do we want to make sure that
11:03:35 every person that's doing business in Hillsborough
11:03:36 County, City of Tampa, to benefit from the taxes that
11:03:40 they are going to be paying?
11:03:44 Why $10,000 to do a study for that?
11:03:47 That okay, that's all.
11:03:48 I'm sorry.
11:03:49 I'm on my soap box but I'm just telling you.
11:03:51 >> And I would encourage everyone here today and
11:03:54 watching and reads the transcript back to encourage the
11:03:57 Hart board members to do this as expeditiously as
11:04:01 possible so that when we do implement this program that
11:04:05 there are minority contracts and fairness surrounding
11:04:09 this process.
11:04:13 >>CURTIS STOKES: As a Hart board member, we did as a
11:04:15 board voted to increase the WMBE percentage from
11:04:21 previous years.
11:04:22 We increased that in the budget cycle.
11:04:24 But I think the question is going forward, before, this
11:04:30 should be a memorandum of understanding with the NAACP.
11:04:34 I think we are waiting to get signed before certain
11:04:38 numbers of the community agreed to come onboard and
11:04:41 support the transit tax.
11:04:44 And I do agree with Chairman Scott, sometimes, we study
11:04:48 things to death that shouldn't be studied.
11:04:51 It should be something that's automatically done.
11:04:53 But I do nobody that's in process.
11:04:55 We do have a Hart board meeting on Monday.
11:04:59 At 8:30.
11:05:00 And I think that will be one of the topics that we'll
11:05:03 be talking about in the morning.
11:05:10 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I'm on the board of the historic
11:05:12 streetcar, and I would like to see a little bit of this
11:05:22 penny forever to help the streetcar.
11:05:27 It is transportation.
11:05:31 And I don't think it's on there.
11:05:32 I didn't see it.
11:05:34 Am I correct?
11:05:34 >> There is nothing currently in the initiative that
11:05:38 spells directly out to streetcars.
11:05:40 You are correct.
11:05:41 Right now it is buses and rail and road improvements.
11:05:47 >>THOMAS SCOTT: I don't think the law addresses where
11:05:50 it can be used for that.
11:05:51 I don't think, Chip -- I don't know your experience on
11:05:54 I think that's an issue because the way the ordinance
11:06:00 statute is addressed, it's on the only addressed in
11:06:04 certain categories, and I think street cars are not one
11:06:06 of those areas.
11:06:07 >>CHARLES FLETCHER: Of that is my understanding,
11:06:11 Mr. Chairman.
11:06:13 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Because I was on the task force and
11:06:14 that came up as well.
11:06:17 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Well, thank you for answering that.
11:06:18 I appreciate it.
11:06:19 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Councilwoman Mulhern.
11:06:21 >>MARY MULHERN: Yeah, we are kind of getting into the
11:06:24 big picture here.
11:06:28 I would just like to point out, it's been frustrating
11:06:32 for me on this council, and I think perhaps other
11:06:35 people, that fortunately the mayor did appoint a
11:06:40 council person to the Hart board.
11:06:43 But this council doesn't have a representative on the
11:06:46 Hart board, and -- well, we do, but we don't appoint
11:06:53 We don't appoint someone on the board.
11:06:56 And we also don't have an appointment on the TBARTA
11:07:02 So even though we are asking our taxpayers to vote on
11:07:06 this referendum, the city's elected government, other
11:07:11 than, I guess, the mayor has some input, but the
11:07:18 council people and the people who are the most local,
11:07:21 the district representatives for people, don't --
11:07:25 haven't been able to have direct input on this.
11:07:32 So it's been interesting sort of being more observers
11:07:43 than having to have a lobbyist come here and tell us
11:07:45 about this plan that we are asking.
11:07:50 Our constituents are being asked to support.
11:07:53 But I would like to see us have more participation on
11:07:57 the Hart board.
11:07:58 And I also wanted to say to Councilwoman Capin about
11:08:04 the streetcar.
11:08:05 In everywhere but Hillsborough in Tampa when people
11:08:08 talk about light rail, street cars are a category of
11:08:12 light rail.
11:08:14 And even when you look at the funding sources for
11:08:19 federal funding, there isn't a streetcar category, a
11:08:25 streetcar is a kind of light rail.
11:08:28 So I don't know, it's probably not going to make any
11:08:30 difference in this funding, but it's interesting to me
11:08:32 that we have a streetcar system that isn't ever --
11:08:41 although I did get the MPO to make a map.
11:08:45 There is a map available that shows not only all the
11:08:47 Bart plans, light rail and high-speed rail but it's got
11:08:51 our existing streetcar and our old streetcar lines are
11:08:54 on that map. Anyway, I have it on my wall in my
11:09:00 >> One of the fundamental pieces of the initiative is a
11:09:06 citizens advisory board committee that will be
11:09:09 appointed to oversee all of the spending, and the City
11:09:13 of Tampa has three appointments out of those eleven
11:09:17 members that will be on the task force.
11:09:20 The citizens oversights committee.
11:09:22 I encourage you to take that responsibility very
11:09:25 seriously and appoint people who will advocate in the
11:09:28 best interest, not only for the county as a whole, not
11:09:30 only for this initiative as a whole, but for the City
11:09:33 of Tampa as well.
11:09:34 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Okay.
11:09:37 Any other questions?
11:09:38 Thanks for being here today.
11:09:39 >> Thank you all very much for your continued
11:09:42 leadership on this issue.
11:09:44 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Item 83.
11:09:45 Item 83.
11:09:46 Alan SNEL.
11:09:51 >> Good morning, council.
11:09:53 Thank you, Chairman Scott.
11:09:58 I was invited by Councilwoman Mary Mulhern to offer a
11:10:01 presentation about bicycle infrastructure, and I'm
11:10:05 actually not very new to you folks because I have been
11:10:08 coming here for two years, and I notice the two new
11:10:11 council members that I haven't met yet, so I wanted to
11:10:15 say hi and introduce myself to you folks as well.
11:10:19 This presentation is one that I provided to the MPO on
11:10:25 three different occasions, 2001 three different
11:10:29 committees, and it's based on photos on bicycling in
11:10:42 metro, Denver.
11:10:43 I used to work and live in metro Denver.
11:10:45 It was a place as a bicyclist I thought was very
11:10:49 hospitable and accommodating to the bicyclists.
11:10:53 And I also worked as a newspaper reporter there
11:10:55 covering a lot of the projects and came to fruition
11:10:57 when I returned just in late July.
11:11:01 So I started taking photos in Denver and I started
11:11:06 hearing news. Two days later when I got to Colorado a
11:11:09 friend said LeRoy Collins was killed on a bicycle.
11:11:12 And I came back with my photos and PowerPoint, and I
11:11:15 began showing them, as I said, to MPO committees, and
11:11:19 more and more bicyclists have been killed of in Tampa,
11:11:26 or outside of Tampa in, St. Pete and New Port Richey.
11:11:30 And I wanted to give you that back drop, because I just
11:11:35 wanted to show you some nice infrastructure stuff in
11:11:39 another part of the country, and now there's a whole
11:11:42 new context to this.
11:11:43 And I need to kind of recalibrate my comments, because
11:11:47 a lot of wheels are turning.
11:11:51 I met with commissioner Mark Sharpe of Hillsborough
11:11:53 County on Friday, and he put an item on the agenda
11:11:56 yesterday that resulted in Hillsborough County's
11:12:00 commission approving a bike safety action plan.
11:12:04 And I just felt that Commissioner Sharpe -- spoke to
11:12:07 Commissioner Sharpe before today's council meeting, and
11:12:10 he has pledged the commission's support in working with
11:12:15 City Council and city officials to make this a unified
11:12:18 plan so we can move forward together, because as a
11:12:20 bicyclist, if I'm bicycling on a road, I don't see
11:12:24 where you are city and county boarder is.
11:12:28 I can be biking in the City of Tampa on 30th
11:12:31 street, and then continue up to Bruce B. Downs and all
11:12:33 of a sudden I'm in the county.
11:12:35 But if you get hit by a car, doesn't really matter if
11:12:40 it's city or county at that point.
11:12:43 So the city and the county needs to work together.
11:12:46 And I hope you follow through on that.
11:12:51 There's several other, before I launch into my
11:12:53 PowerPoint, there's several other moving farther parts
11:12:57 that I think the council should know.
11:13:00 You folks, I understand I guess the MPO is paying for
11:13:07 Tyndall Oliver consultants to do a bicycle plan for the
11:13:11 city, so I am suggesting that that plan be integrated
11:13:15 into this new bicycle action program that is being
11:13:20 launched, and from what I understand, it's going to be
11:13:23 a sweeping broad-based look at bicycling.
11:13:27 It's going to look at educating both drivers and
11:13:30 bicyclists, because we bicyclists need to be educated
11:13:34 as well.
11:13:34 It will be looking at an awareness plan, looking at
11:13:39 sites and trying to increase enhanced engineering, so
11:13:43 it's safe for bicyclists, and will look at police
11:13:47 I can tell you that bicyclists are very upset that they
11:13:52 get hit and they perceive that justice is not served.
11:13:55 As you folks know, there's a law on the books here in
11:13:57 the State of Florida that say when you pass a
11:13:59 bicyclist, you have to pass that person by at least
11:14:03 three feet.
11:14:05 I personally know people have been hit.
11:14:07 I don't know a single occasion where a citation was
11:14:12 issued for a three-foot buffer violation.
11:14:15 So bicyclists are also about that, upset about that.
11:14:18 So this CT county program I think is in essence a
11:14:25 county-city program, taking abroad-based sweeping look
11:14:28 at all the issues about bicycling so that we can
11:14:31 enhance safety.
11:14:32 Also, you need to know that Tampa Bayside is a
11:14:36 wonderful bike program here, in Tampa Bay, a
11:14:41 representative, Karen crest, and she informed me they
11:14:47 are also working on initiatives that can be dovetailed
11:14:51 into this unified program so that we move ahead
11:14:53 together as one.
11:14:54 So I just wanted to give you a little briefing of
11:14:57 what's going on because originally I came here to show
11:14:59 you some pretty photos of bicycle infrastructure from
11:15:02 metro Denver, and since that time a lot of things have
11:15:06 happened here locally.
11:15:07 So with that in mind, I am going to launch right into
11:15:12 the PowerPoint.
11:15:14 I have never done that before here in this building so
11:15:17 I'm wondering if there's someone who can just show me.
11:15:22 I sent a PowerPoint presentation in.
11:15:29 I sent one in and I was told that it was good to go.
11:15:39 Sometimes as a bicyclist I anticipate stuff and I
11:15:46 brought my photos.
11:15:50 Because you always have to be prepared.
11:15:52 So I just need to prepare.
11:15:58 They are representative photos, and they give you a
11:16:00 pretty good view of just what's out there.
11:16:02 What's interesting is that some of you, there's
11:16:07 something going on right now in the city.
11:16:09 I had a terrific conversation with your transportation
11:16:11 director Jean Dorzback along with John marsh who is
11:16:16 kind of the point person for pedestrian and bike
11:16:18 I met them for 90 minutes on Monday afternoon.
11:16:21 And they are committed to this issue.
11:16:26 So in fact you folks have painted your first bicycle
11:16:35 show this past week.
11:16:37 You should be happy and proud about that.
11:16:38 That's a big deal.
11:16:39 I am going to show you some of my photos, and some of
11:16:43 the images that I have been showing of the MPO.
11:16:51 Of this is your bicycle lane.
11:17:01 You have a few of these and I bicycled one from my
11:17:03 house down to the office here and parked my bike, had
11:17:06 the best parking in town.
11:17:08 No cost.
11:17:09 This is a typical bike lane in the city of Denver.
11:17:13 If you notice, you have room for parking.
11:17:15 You have a bike lane and traffic lane.
11:17:21 And these are all over the city of Denver.
11:17:30 What's fascinate being this photo, you will be seeing
11:17:43 They were applied this week.
11:17:44 And what's fascinate being this photo is that this is a
11:17:50 sharrow, shared lane marking on a road that has very
11:17:54 fast traffic.
11:17:55 Most bicyclists are not keen on biking on roads whereof
11:17:59 cars move very fast.
11:18:00 But there are some parts of the state and also here in
11:18:03 Florida where sometimes you only have a couple of roads
11:18:06 in a region to get from point A to B so here is an
11:18:10 opportunity south of Ft. Collins about 45 miles north
11:18:12 of Denver where their D.O.T. designated a lane as a
11:18:17 shared lane.
11:18:19 Again, it comes down to commitment.
11:18:21 If you want to improve conditions for bicyclists, you
11:18:26 build infrastructure such as this.
11:18:36 How do I access this?
11:18:42 >> It will pop right up.
11:18:43 >> Okay.
11:18:44 We are in action.
11:18:46 I feel like I just fixed my flat and I'm biking now.
11:18:53 You see that photo.
11:18:54 Again, this is a bike show that I saw in many
11:18:59 neighborhoods in Denver, and hopefully these are coming
11:19:03 to a city called Tampa.
11:19:05 These are right now like I said on Euclid, and they
11:19:09 indicate to the driver that bicyclists will be in the
11:19:11 lane, and they are usually accompanied with a share the
11:19:14 road sign or sign that you have right now on Euclid
11:19:17 that says bicycles in lane.
11:19:20 It gets back to the belief that bicycles are co-users
11:19:24 of the road.
11:19:25 When I goat to Tampa in 2004 there seemed to be a
11:19:27 little conflict.
11:19:28 I think car drivers thought that they owned the road.
11:19:31 And the message out of Washington, your transportation
11:19:38 secretary saying if we are going to build roads, we
11:19:43 build them for everyone.
11:19:44 So this indicates to the motoring public that be aware
11:19:49 of bicyclists.
11:19:51 This is again bike lane in a neighborhood in Denver,
11:19:56 room for parked cars, bike lane and traffic.
11:19:59 This is downtown Denver.
11:20:00 Again, during the rush hour the buses and bicycles are
11:20:06 co-users of this lane.
11:20:07 Again it shows the commitment to alternative
11:20:09 transportation outside of a car.
11:20:13 This is a sign.
11:20:15 This is actually a sign and a half suburb called
11:20:21 webridge and signs like these by themselves might not
11:20:24 be that effective.
11:20:25 (Bell sounds)
11:20:27 But, again, this is one of the signs, watch for bikes
11:20:36 and pedestrians.
11:20:38 You might want to put those in intersections where
11:20:41 there are crashes.
11:20:41 Do you have signs which explain which intersections are
11:20:45 the most dangerous.
11:20:46 I'm not a professional engineer but maybe you want to
11:20:49 put these signs at the intersections that are more
11:20:51 prone to bicycle-car crashes.
11:20:56 I like this combination sign action here just south of
11:20:59 Ft. Collins.
11:21:00 You have a lot of roads just like this in Tampa where
11:21:03 you have suburban commercial development kind of roads
11:21:05 leading into your urban core.
11:21:08 And you have two bicycle sign combination.
11:21:12 You have the sign in the foreground is indicating to
11:21:15 people leaving the parking lot that you should be on
11:21:20 the look for bicycles, and then you turn right, you
11:21:23 have another share the road sign.
11:21:25 So I would -- bicycle accidents are, dangerous for
11:21:33 bicycles are cross sections and cross streets and going
11:21:37 in and out of shopping centers.
11:21:39 Denver has a very, very comprehensive bike rental
11:21:45 They call it bike share.
11:21:47 But I think you are renting it but whatever you call it
11:21:52 it's a bike rental program.
11:21:54 You folks out here are hosting a Republican convention
11:21:56 in a couple of years, and a great way to get people
11:21:59 around the core is by having a bike sharing program.
11:22:05 The mayor of Denver, by the way, supports that and he
11:22:07 was accused of being a communist by a tea party
11:22:12 An antidote.
11:22:14 Bicycle infrastructure comes in all forms.
11:22:20 On road bake lines, signage, share roads, and bike
11:22:28 This is a bike trail running along, cherry creek, and
11:22:34 it goes right into the heart of Denver to the north.
11:22:38 If you go in the opposite direction you hit another
11:22:40 regional trail called the Platt river trail, and this
11:22:44 is my big philosophy about trails, is that you need a
11:22:48 trail network just like a highway system.
11:22:51 And there's a gentleman who spoke today, Chip Thomas,
11:22:55 who said bicycle trail along the Hillsborough River.
11:23:00 Same concept because the rivers are usually leading
11:23:02 into a downtown, follow the river into downtown.
11:23:06 Again, this is -- this functions almost like a bicycle
11:23:12 I love this photo.
11:23:15 The previous photo you saw of the cherry creek trail is
11:23:20 coming in the opposite direction coming towards us, and
11:23:22 you are looking at bicyclists leaving a big building.
11:23:27 We would be positioned here in our big RAI outdoor
11:23:31 equipment building, and these bicyclists are going down
11:23:34 to the Platt river which will connect into that other
11:23:39 And what's fascinating if you look just in the back
11:23:43 there, you will see a brown colored bridge that leads
11:23:48 to more development.
11:23:49 And we'll look into this later.
11:23:52 Bicycle infrastructure leading into -- just not a
11:23:56 quarter for bicyclists but being integrated into your
11:23:59 urban development.
11:24:02 This is a closer view.
11:24:03 This is what I wanted to show you how bicycles are
11:24:06 leading right into the residential development.
11:24:10 There in downtown Denver.
11:24:13 >>THOMAS SCOTT: How much more?
11:24:14 >> Three minutes.
11:24:16 Three or four minutes.
11:24:17 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Because I think we are about 15
11:24:19 >> I'll wrap things up.
11:24:20 I'll fly through here.
11:24:21 This is a pedestrian bike ridge that leads from one
11:24:26 side of the trail to the other side.
11:24:31 Again, this is a project that I reported on back in the
11:24:34 mid 1990s and now has come to fruition.
11:24:37 You have to be committed to a long-range plan.
11:24:40 This bridge is going from one side of the interstate to
11:24:43 the other.
11:24:44 And if you notice all the residential development.
11:24:49 I mean, this is amazing bicycle ped infrastructure and
11:24:56 happy we've that commitment across from the interstate,
11:24:59 connecting the neighborhoods, making those people who
11:25:01 live on this side, they can bike or walk right over.
11:25:06 Again, bicycle infrastructure comes in all forms.
11:25:09 This is part of a regional trail system.
11:25:14 The regional trail system is still developing.
11:25:15 You actually have roundabouts.
11:25:18 This is 20 miles south of downtown Denver.
11:25:23 This is on the highway.
11:25:24 This is a trail that's going along the interstate about
11:25:28 30 to 40 miles west of downtown Denver.
11:25:33 Ft. Collins has, get this, it has a bicycle library.
11:25:37 You check out afternoon bicycle for free.
11:25:38 It's fantastic.
11:25:41 Check out the bike storage area.
11:25:47 This is outside of a micro brew pub where the actual
11:25:51 lock-up area includes the emblem, that the emblem
11:25:57 actually is the logo for the company, and that's how
11:25:59 you integrate bicycle into culture.
11:26:04 With that said, you guys did sign a commendation, I
11:26:07 understand, very interested in bicycling.
11:26:12 I mean, I know you signed it so you have put your John
11:26:16 Hancocks on it.
11:26:17 Now we actually need the city's commitment to work with
11:26:20 Hillsborough County, and obviously there are other
11:26:23 wheels in motion that I would love to have see us work
11:26:27 I don't mean to end on a sad note, but 11 a.m. was the
11:26:33 burial time for the last bicyclist who died last Friday
11:26:36 and that's why there was family members who planned to
11:26:38 be here to talk to you folks, they can't be here, but
11:26:40 they are in your mind.
11:26:42 So I also ride a memorial bike ride and love bicycling.
11:26:47 I do all kinds of biking.
11:26:53 I'm asking folks to hop on.
11:26:58 We need more than just signatures and words.
11:27:01 I mean, we need people working together in one
11:27:06 direction to enhance bike safety.
11:27:07 So I really appreciate your time.
11:27:09 And I want to thank the chairman and also Councilwoman
11:27:12 Mulhern for inviting me today.
11:27:14 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you, Alan.
11:27:15 Of course, I want to note this is not your first time
11:27:18 You have been here on numerous occasions talking about
11:27:21 bikes and bicycling, and here with the expressway
11:27:28 >> I also need to thank the chair because we actually
11:27:31 first melt when I showed up at the expressway authority
11:27:35 thinking maybe on Sunday mornings when no one is using
11:27:37 the upper deck maybe we can bike ride from 7 to 10 a.m.
11:27:41 up there.
11:27:41 It has been done.
11:27:42 And the chairman actually asked the authority to look
11:27:46 into that.
11:27:47 So no one else on that board did.
11:27:49 I mean, to this day I'm thankful that at least we got a
11:27:53 shot at looking at it.
11:27:54 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you very much.
11:27:55 Councilman Caetano.
11:27:56 >> I don't know if you have seen this report from
11:28:01 Curtis brown from the sheriff's office.
11:28:02 It puts Hillsborough County at number 3 in traffic
11:28:05 And since this report I think there's been five or six
11:28:08 bicycle accidents.
11:28:09 I would like to give you this report for your records.
11:28:21 >> I am not a, quote, staff member or official but as a
11:28:24 person who represents ten bike stores and a lot of
11:28:27 customers in the bike stores, I'm just asking to see if
11:28:30 the council can informally just -- I don't know if take
11:28:35 >>THOMAS SCOTT: We will.
11:28:39 Let me hear from Councilwoman Mulhern.
11:28:41 I am sure we are going to take some kind of action or
11:28:43 pass a resolution to encourage the administration to
11:28:46 work with the county.
11:28:47 >>MARY MULHERN: I was going to suggest maybe -- stay
11:28:51 there in case we have a few questions.
11:28:53 But I was going to suggest in addition to making a
11:29:00 motion that we work with the county commission and the
11:29:08 Chairman Scott and I and councilman Caetano are all on
11:29:13 the MPO, and I have to mechanics mention Linda
11:29:17 Saul-Sena because she's been working on these issues
11:29:20 with the city and advocating for more trails, and bike
11:29:26 paths, and everything that you are advocating for, and
11:29:29 we have had -- actually had a meeting.
11:29:33 I don't know if you were there but I know Chip Thomas
11:29:35 was there a couple of years ago, with our
11:29:39 transportation department, and they really do want to
11:29:41 work on this.
11:29:42 So and they have been.
11:29:44 And I think you mentioned to me or someone did the
11:29:48 success with Nebraska Avenue with the bicycle lane
11:29:52 >> You do have some outstanding examples of great
11:29:55 infrastructure, and in fact I was pleased to talk with
11:29:58 your staff on Monday, and I got more details about how
11:30:01 North Boulevard will be going from four to three lanes,
11:30:04 and there will be bike lanes, transitioning into
11:30:07 sharrows from Main Street to MLK.
11:30:12 That's a great example. I understand the limitations
11:30:15 in the City of Tampa because your infrastructure is so
11:30:17 hold and you have a lot of quirky roads and stuff.
11:30:21 Let me be crystal clear.
11:30:22 I'm not asking you to slap paint on every road.
11:30:24 It can't happen.
11:30:25 It's not feasible and it's not what I am asking.
11:30:27 But there's a wide variety of tactics which I wanted to
11:30:30 present in that PowerPoint to show you.
11:30:33 You can put signs at dangerous corners on your narrow
11:30:36 two lane roads, put the share the road signs up there.
11:30:40 Those signs are not only practical for that road, they
11:30:43 tell the motoring public in general.
11:30:45 >>THOMAS SCOTT: What I am going to suggest is make a
11:30:47 >>MARY MULHERN: Here's what I suggest.
11:30:50 I'm sorry.
11:30:51 Two things.
11:30:52 One is that this council, maybe we would have a
11:30:57 resolution that we work on bicycle safety action plan,
11:31:02 which is what the county commission passed yesterday,
11:31:06 so we would be working with the county, the city, and
11:31:12 with the MPO, I believe, on this, and I don't think
11:31:17 that -- I think that's what we can do to move the
11:31:21 planning and the big picture forward.
11:31:24 So I'm going to make that motion first.
11:31:28 >> Second.
11:31:30 >>MARY MULHERN: The motion that the City of Tampa work
11:31:38 with USF, the MPO, the Hillsborough County, and the
11:31:43 other municipalities to work on a bicycle safety action
11:31:46 plan to be modeled after the MPO's pedestrian safety.
11:31:54 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Seconded by councilman Stokes.
11:31:56 Moved and seconded.
11:31:57 All in favor?
11:32:00 >>MARY MULHERN: The second thing I was going to ask --
11:32:06 did we vote?
11:32:07 The second thing I want to do is have a workshop on
11:32:09 this, because -- and our transportation department Jean
11:32:15 Dorzback is very interested in this.
11:32:17 The MPO, we are working on it with the bicycling
11:32:21 pedestrian advisory committee, the livable roadways
11:32:24 advisory committee.
11:32:25 But I think that council should have a workshop and
11:32:30 invite our transportation staff and TPD to come and
11:32:33 talk about what specifically we can do as a city and
11:32:40 encourage some of the things that we have been asking
11:32:42 for, for years, like the sharrow, like restriping store
11:32:51 bicycles, the streetscape idea that every time we
11:32:55 repave a road that we put in a bike lane or do
11:32:58 everything we can to do that, and maybe adding the
11:33:01 sharrow that might be a good idea.
11:33:03 But there's a lot of things that we could -- there are
11:33:07 a lot of things that were brought up today that I think
11:33:09 we need to talk about with transportation staff, like
11:33:12 when they decided not to put their bike lane on Euclid
11:33:16 why we couldn't put a bike lane on El Prado.
11:33:20 I don't know why that wasn't mentioned as a
11:33:23 The trails, the PSAs, on our city television station,
11:33:31 which is a great idea that Chip Thomas had, I don't
11:33:36 know why we can't do that.
11:33:38 I'm sure Alan --
11:33:40 >> They said no.
11:33:41 There's a program, too.
11:33:42 I mean, --
11:33:46 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Well, let me suggest, Alan, because
11:33:47 our time is limited, why don't you include that in the
11:33:52 >>MARY MULHERN: This is all going to be in the
11:33:53 workshop but I want it to today so our staff hears this
11:33:56 and starts thinking about it, all these things that
11:33:59 they could be doing.
11:33:59 The enforcement with the TPD.
11:34:01 We can hear from them about it.
11:34:03 But the other thing, the one other thing I wanted to
11:34:05 say, which I think we heard from people today, of that
11:34:10 I think it's really about education, and FDOT at the
11:34:15 state level is working on things.
11:34:17 So there is funding out there for educating bicyclists,
11:34:21 but I think it is more important to educate the drivers
11:34:25 and the signage for the drivers.
11:34:26 So that's something that I think we can work on.
11:34:29 So that's my motion, that we have a workshop as soon as
11:34:40 >>THOMAS SCOTT: January.
11:34:41 >>MARY MULHERN: Oh, we are not having one in November?
11:34:45 So January.
11:34:45 But we'll work on it.
11:34:47 I'll work on these issues.
11:34:50 >> Even right now as we move forward the city
11:34:54 coordinate things with the county to get it off and
11:34:58 >>MARY MULHERN: Right.
11:35:00 And that first motion we passed is not about setting up
11:35:02 another committee.
11:35:03 It's about actually creating a plan and doing something
11:35:06 using staff, city, county, MPO.
11:35:11 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Mr. Chairman, if I can with regard to
11:35:13 your first motion with regard to the resolution, do you
11:35:15 want to come back as a written resolution on the
11:35:19 21st 1st of October?
11:35:21 >>MARY MULHERN: Do we need to do that?
11:35:23 >> Yes, yes.
11:35:24 >>MARTIN SHELBY: That's part of your motion.
11:35:26 >> Yes.
11:35:29 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Did you want to set it for 9 a.m.?
11:35:31 Because currently the only thing you have in January is
11:35:33 the commendation of police Officer of the Month so it
11:35:35 would be the first item.
11:35:36 >>MARY MULHERN: Yes.
11:35:38 9 a.m.
11:35:38 >>THOMAS SCOTT: I would suggest that you include in
11:35:40 that the MPO being a part of that workshop.
11:35:42 >>MARY MULHERN: Yes, I thought I mentioned everyone.
11:35:46 The MPO.
11:35:47 I am going to invite the -- ask somebody from FDOT,
11:35:52 >>THOMAS SCOTT: So now let me understand now, the
11:35:55 motion that we are making is for a workshop, and you
11:35:57 are going to invite all the partners, stakeholders.
11:36:02 Is that clear?
11:36:04 >>MARY MULHERN: I'll invite the MPO and
11:36:08 They have people who work on just bicycling stuff,
11:36:12 >> I just want to be clear, because I know in the past
11:36:15 we kind of -- these motions kind of get lost.
11:36:19 >> Well, the MPO is invited.
11:36:22 They are here.
11:36:23 So they heard it.
11:36:23 But I'll make sure through either my office or the MPO
11:36:27 will invite someone from FDOT.
11:36:30 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Okay.
11:36:34 Councilwoman Capin.
11:36:36 >>YVONNE CAPIN: On Euclid, I would like to follow up on
11:36:38 that, more information to me on the path, and why the
11:36:47 bicycle path -- all the way to Westshore.
11:36:50 >> Well, the lane, Mayor Iorio decided to remove the
11:36:54 lane but in its place the sharrows, and they have
11:37:00 sharrows and signs.
11:37:02 They have signs that indicate bicycles in the lane.
11:37:04 So the bike lane is removed and kind of alternative,
11:37:09 the sharrow's and the signs would work.
11:37:13 I would like to see that on other streets.
11:37:16 And one of your speakers did say how do I get across
11:37:18 the peninsula?
11:37:20 We do need suggested -- we need roads that do have
11:37:24 access for bicycles to get across the peninsula.
11:37:30 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Motion and seconded by councilman
11:37:32 All in favor?
11:37:34 I guess the one issue, though, that came up in the
11:37:39 discussion on Tuesday night, was that in the county or
11:37:42 was that city?
11:37:45 >>MARY MULHERN: I think it's the county.
11:37:48 >>THOMAS SCOTT: We have an informational hearing on
11:37:49 Tuesday night and a couple of people came in to ride
11:37:52 bikes around there and they was talking about the
11:37:54 problem with the bike lane not being quite accurate,
11:38:00 not quite right.
11:38:00 >> Concerning about the fatality at the USF campus.
11:38:05 >> Bruce B. Downs.
11:38:06 >> Technically that is the county's jurisdiction.
11:38:09 You want to double check, I believe.
11:38:11 But my point is when I'm biking I'm crossing from city
11:38:14 into county, and as a bicyclist it doesn't matter where
11:38:17 the border is.
11:38:18 But jurisdiction-wise, I believe that the county, I
11:38:23 think the county border is right around.
11:38:25 >>THOMAS SCOTT: We had a map and I left it --
11:38:30 >>MARY MULHERN: I don't have it either.
11:38:32 I'll get to the Alan.
11:38:33 But the other thing I think I mentioned in the first
11:38:38 resolution is that the USF people, that was a USF
11:38:42 graduate student, and they are working with the MPO,
11:38:47 So everyone is involved.
11:38:49 We'll invite them to the workshop, too.
11:38:50 >> Thank you for your attention to this issue.
11:38:55 It stirred up a lot of interest among bicyclists.
11:38:58 And even if you don't ride a bike you know someone who
11:39:03 >>THOMAS SCOTT: I'll see you all over there, Alan.
11:39:06 You get around.
11:39:07 Thank you.
11:39:08 Item 84.
11:39:09 Item 84.
11:39:19 >>BRAD BAIRD: Director of Tampa water department.
11:39:22 Here to talk about item 84.
11:39:24 First, I would like to quickly provide a reminder of
11:39:30 the utilities services consolidation, which through the
11:39:35 summer of 2010 we have reorganized the distribution and
11:39:40 consumer services division of the water department to
11:39:43 include some support services.
11:39:45 Those support services are or support areas include
11:39:49 meter reading, meter services, billing, credit and
11:39:53 collections, and a call center.
11:39:55 And the call center is compromised of four small call
11:39:59 centers that will come together and handle all of the
11:40:04 issues for water, wastewater, solid waste, and billing.
11:40:11 This arrangement will result in less customers being
11:40:17 bounced around, if you will.
11:40:21 And now our goal will be one-call resolutions, customer
11:40:24 calls at one time, and we resolved that problem.
11:40:27 We are looking at improving efficiency and
11:40:29 effectiveness in all four of those areas.
11:40:35 Outsourcing, of course, is an option in every case, and
11:40:40 councilman Stokes has asked about where that fits in
11:40:48 So we are looking at outsourcing all four of those
11:40:51 areas as one option.
11:40:57 Regarding outsourcing, one of the first things we did,
11:40:59 we called municipalities around Florida.
11:41:02 We called 24 of them.
11:41:05 22 responded.
11:41:06 And to see what they outsource in those four areas and
11:41:10 how it compares to what we do now.
11:41:12 And we found out that in the five areas we looked at,
11:41:22 we joust source already in three of those areas, that
11:41:26 being the printing, of the bill, the mailing service of
11:41:30 the bill, and the payment of the bill.
11:41:35 If you mail in a check, which is the first choice, or
11:41:40 the predominant way that people pay their water bill.
11:41:44 And so we found out that bottom line, we are
11:41:48 outsourcing as much or more than most of the
11:41:52 municipalities in Florida now, including most of the
11:41:57 billing services that we do.
11:42:00 We do not outsource in the collections area and the
11:42:04 meter reading area.
11:42:05 And which is typical around the State of Florida as
11:42:10 I have all those statistics.
11:42:11 But without going into those details, we seem to be
11:42:18 aligned with that.
11:42:20 So we are looking at outsourcing or partnering in all
11:42:28 of those areas. The areas that are still inhouse such
11:42:28 as meter reading or billing, we will look at partners
11:42:40 or contractors who can do it cheaper or better or both.
11:42:45 We have been -- recently we have met with TECO to see
11:42:52 what we could have do in terms of partnering for meter
11:42:56 reading in that area.
11:42:59 Unfortunately, this week, we had decided to go a
11:43:02 different direction with automatic meter reading in a
11:43:07 very short time period and have opted not to partner
11:43:10 with us in that area.
11:43:12 But we have been working over this summer with them on
11:43:15 ways that we could make that happen.
11:43:18 So while we will continue toward that end to make those
11:43:21 support areas more efficient, and more effective.
11:43:26 With that I'll take any questions.
11:43:29 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you.
11:43:30 I understand what you're saying but we don't have the
11:43:34 same type of capabilities of reading the water meter
11:43:38 like you do in electric meters.
11:43:40 It has to be done physically really.
11:43:44 Technology, I remember, the Acalas family ten years ago
11:43:53 showed me meters that were way beyond what we have.
11:43:55 In fact, you only could purchase it with a credit card
11:43:58 inside your house.
11:43:59 You need water, you put the credit card.
11:44:01 You order so much water.
11:44:03 And it told you how much water you have left and they
11:44:05 had the same thing for the electric meter inside the
11:44:08 You bought your own credit, electricity and water, and
11:44:12 we still don't have that in Florida.
11:44:14 But they have it in South Africa.
11:44:16 They have it in Europe.
11:44:17 They have it in Mexico.
11:44:18 Because I saw it for the Acalas family who had the
11:44:26 plant in South Africa. So I understand what you are
11:44:27 trying to do.
11:44:29 But it will take you light years to change from the
11:44:32 meters that you have to those where you can drive by
11:44:34 and it sends a signal to a tower and the tower sends a
11:44:39 signal to the computer to put your costs in line.
11:44:43 And that doesn't mean it's going to work perfect every
11:44:45 time either.
11:44:46 Not that we are perfect.
11:44:48 But the way we are doing it now, I have to admit to
11:44:51 So I appreciate what you are looking at.
11:44:52 And you are talking about money.
11:44:54 And that's what life is all about.
11:44:58 You have to improve.
11:44:59 And the only way you can improve is by investing.
11:45:02 And if you don't have anything to invest, then you
11:45:04 can't improve.
11:45:05 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Any other questions?
11:45:10 >>CURTIS STOKES: This is a general statement,
11:45:13 Mr. Chairman.
11:45:15 We are probably two or three years away from the
11:45:17 economy getting back to possibly where it was for
11:45:20 years, and I thank you for your report.
11:45:25 As we start the different ways to improve our
11:45:30 efficiency here at the city, particularly with I know
11:45:35 there's the cost, the clinics, that we'll talk about
11:45:39 later on this month, I think it's very important that
11:45:42 we look for ways to save the city money going forward,
11:45:47 because not knowing where the economy will be, I think
11:45:50 the more that, the better, and I think worry all good
11:45:57 stewards of the taxpayers money.
11:46:00 And thank you for looking into this issue.
11:46:04 And if TECO opted out please don't stop in your search
11:46:08 for other partners to help us get this done.
11:46:11 >> We will not.
11:46:12 >>MARY MULHERN: I'm going to try to be brief.
11:46:19 We have already outsourced three of these operations
11:46:24 that you are reporting on.
11:46:26 And this has been my question throughout whenever we
11:46:30 have been asked to privatize some of our city services.
11:46:37 But I have never actually seen the report showing us
11:46:46 what those actual savings are in a more long-term year,
11:46:50 two year, three years.
11:46:52 So I personally, if anything is brought in front of me
11:46:57 on this council, claiming that we are going to save
11:46:59 money with outsourcing, I have to see some long-term
11:47:03 data from this city showing that in the long-term we
11:47:09 save money, and including in the contracts, because we
11:47:14 always talk about how we are saving because, you know,
11:47:19 we are saving on personnel costs because we don't have
11:47:23 to pay the benefits and insurance of the city
11:47:25 employees, but we never see -- when we get the budget
11:47:32 and we see how much we saved on that, we don't see the
11:47:34 balance of how much they contract is actually costing.
11:47:38 So I would like to see that in retrospect for some
11:47:43 If you are going to bring anything to us.
11:47:44 >>> I would like to say in these three areas it appears
11:47:52 that outsourcing happened quite a few years ago.
11:47:56 And so those comparisons of how they did it back in the
11:48:01 sixth and 70s, you know, we probably wouldn't have
11:48:05 But I'm sure in another's other cases that can be
11:48:07 >> Right.
11:48:09 But we do have how much we are spending?
11:48:12 >> Right.
11:48:12 >> On the contracts.
11:48:15 And it doesn't show up as personnel line item anywhere,
11:48:19 when you privatize these jobs.
11:48:26 >>BRAD BAIRD: I can itemize.
11:48:27 >>THOMAS SCOTT: I have questions on 16 and 23, are
11:48:32 pretty much similar, and they have to do with the
11:48:34 contract and pretty much when you look at those items,
11:48:37 item 16, there's reference to the contract, almost $8
11:48:43 million and all that, and the question I have is
11:48:47 relative to the SBL, the MBE portion of that, and you
11:48:53 have a contract that's outlined says 7.8, 7.9, and of
11:48:58 that the goal was 2.4%.
11:49:01 And I understand, I had a memo, just got it this
11:49:05 morning relative to that, of how, I guess, you arrive
11:49:09 at that.
11:49:09 But this is a good observation where we are spending
11:49:12 quite a significant money and we set a goal of 2% or
11:49:16 2.4, and what the person would do, they would come just
11:49:25 enough at that, just to get by to get the contract.
11:49:29 Greg, you want to speak to that?
11:49:31 I understand what the law says and all that, but I am
11:49:33 just pointing you, the issue that's troublesome for me
11:49:36 and the reports that I have seen come in over and over
11:49:38 again, and I am going to tell you -- and I won't be
11:49:42 around to sit on this side, but the thing of it is, you
11:49:47 are going to see that minorities have not done well for
11:49:51 a lot of these contract.
11:49:52 But go ahead.
11:49:52 >> Gregory Hart, small business minority small business
11:50:00 Chairman Scott, I really do appreciate your bringing
11:50:02 this issue to the forefront.
11:50:04 That issue being contracts and the dollar value of
11:50:08 contracts, and whether or not we are maximizing
11:50:13 opportunities for subcontracting.
11:50:14 And I can assure you that indeed we are.
11:50:17 And this is a clear case, an example of where we really
11:50:22 have to communicate the expectation that is within the
11:50:28 contracts that the city let's.
11:50:30 This particular contract is a water main distribution
11:50:36 It is predominantly installation of piping.
11:50:40 And our methodology for determining what the meaningful
11:50:44 opportunities for contracting include looking at the
11:50:48 entire scope of the project, looking at the dollar
11:50:51 value of that contract, and then the breakdown of that
11:50:57 scope in terms of what is subcontracted by industry
11:51:03 And in doing so, this is an example of the contract
11:51:09 where there aren't meaningful or very meaningful
11:51:13 subcontracts and elements that lend themselves to the
11:51:17 available pool of WMBE that are certified by the City
11:51:22 of Tampa.
11:51:24 Oftentimes, he the perception can be because it has
11:51:34 significant dollar value that it has subcontracting
11:51:37 components, and this is just not always the case.
11:51:40 But we did maximize the subcontracting that is
11:51:44 available in this project by looking at the scope,
11:51:48 looking at the dollar value, and subcontractors
11:51:51 available to respond.
11:51:54 There were somewhere around 10 or 13 components that
11:51:59 would typically be subcontracted in this project, part
11:52:04 of which actually lended themselves to the type of
11:52:12 SOBE's we have in our database, so we look at who is
11:52:17 available, what the subcontract elements are, and then
11:52:20 calculate that value to come up with the goal.
11:52:25 The goal in this case was 2.4%, if I am not mistaken.
11:52:33 The lob responsive bidder came of in with 4%
11:52:37 And they were over 15 bidders for this project.
11:52:42 And if I recall, the second low bidder, the third, came
11:52:47 of in with 0.1 or 5%.
11:52:51 So I'm simply saying here that --
11:52:55 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Just to expedite, I understand the
11:52:57 methodology that you are using.
11:53:00 Also, it is to encourage.
11:53:02 See, that's part of the problem.
11:53:04 I keep saying.
11:53:06 I said it from day one it's encouraged that no
11:53:09 mandatory requirement is to encourage.
11:53:12 So as a result of that, and you don't need to respond
11:53:15 to this, I'm just saying after $8 million contract we
11:53:20 go out and encourage somebody to do 2.4% based on the
11:53:23 methodology that they come up with and they come in
11:53:26 right at that or higher than that, so we ought to be
11:53:29 happy because we got a little over 2.4%, is what is
11:53:36 pretty much how it is.
11:53:36 But I'm just saying that given what we are in the
11:53:39 economy to me, persons -- I believe they can do better.
11:53:45 I understand what you are saying.
11:53:47 They are saying these are the minorities that may be
11:53:51 I'm saying there's a lot more people available than the
11:53:55 method that you are using.
11:53:56 I could be wrong on that.
11:53:57 But I am just highlighting the number of contracts now
11:53:59 that we are giving out from the city perspective.
11:54:04 And in case you don't know, every week when there's a
11:54:10 contract on this agenda, I go through it, I look to see
11:54:12 how much WMBE and SLBE, what do they get?
11:54:18 I can tell you.
11:54:19 On some of the contracts like .4%, .1%, .3%.
11:54:24 I'm telling you.
11:54:25 And that's why it's so important whenever we have the
11:54:27 next workshop, I don't know when it is, to look at
11:54:30 those numbers again, because in my opinion, for what I
11:54:32 see each week to week to week, those numbers do not
11:54:35 look good.
11:54:38 What I'm saying is that these are taxpayers dollars.
11:54:41 We need to afford the opportunities for every person
11:54:44 and business, every citizen and business to be able to
11:54:46 do business with this government.
11:54:48 That's all I'm saying.
11:54:50 That's all I'm saying.
11:54:51 And the numbers, when I look at week to week, Greg,
11:54:55 they just don't look good from what I see from week to
11:54:58 week, when I look at the numbers.
11:54:59 Now, we have to look at the overall pictures to see
11:55:02 what you are going to bring back to us, which I don't
11:55:03 know when that's going to be.
11:55:05 But we have to look at the overall number.
11:55:08 So when I saw this contract here, I just wanted to
11:55:11 highlight this so that you can see, you know, what I'm
11:55:14 talking about when we talk about minority participation
11:55:16 or the SBLE and WMBE.
11:55:20 >> In regard to the next update you should be receiving
11:55:22 a communication suggesting that council perhaps look at
11:55:27 sometime before the end of the year or after the first
11:55:30 of the year, we are required to come back before you
11:55:35 with the fiscal year-end closeout.
11:55:39 So we'll be asking to schedule something around that
11:55:42 time frame.
11:55:44 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Councilman Stokes.
11:55:46 >>CURTIS STOKES: Mr. Hart, do you have what companies
11:55:48 make up that 3.4%?
11:55:52 >>> Yes.
11:55:52 There are two companies, both whom are SOBE certified
11:55:58 and WMBE certified.
11:55:59 >> Do you have the names of them?
11:56:01 >> I do.
11:56:03 Bear with me just a moment.
11:56:12 Those companies include MAR construction corporation,
11:56:19 and Mend-It concrete services.
11:56:24 >> Okay.
11:56:26 >> What is that first name.
11:56:28 >> First name was M.A.R. construction corporation.
11:56:32 The initials are M.A.R. construction, corp.
11:56:40 The second is MEND-IT concrete services.
11:56:47 I can certainly have this information.
11:56:51 >> Which is a Hispanic company, right?
11:56:56 >> Yes.
11:56:56 The MBE classification is Hispanic.
11:57:00 And they are both SLBE.
11:57:02 >> And they install piping?
11:57:07 The contract for installation of piping?
11:57:09 >> The Mend-it concrete services is noted as providing
11:57:14 concrete services.
11:57:19 Reinforcement services.
11:57:20 The M.A.R. construction service is noted as providing
11:57:26 valves associated with the piping or installation.
11:57:30 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Gutters.
11:57:35 >>CURTIS STOKES: The reason I asked, there's a piping
11:57:39 supply company in Tampa, a minority owned firm.
11:57:46 I'm surprised they didn't participate in this.
11:57:49 >> I believe they were solicited.
11:57:52 I don't recall if they quoted or --
11:57:58 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Can we get a motion?
11:57:59 I'm sorry, were you finished, councilman?
11:58:03 Let me get a motion to move item 16 and 23.
11:58:07 Could we get a motion to 16 and 23?
11:58:10 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Motion for 16 and 23.
11:58:13 >> So moved.
11:58:14 >> Seconded by Ms. Capin.
11:58:17 All in favor?
11:58:19 The Ayes have it.
11:58:21 >> 23 was the interlocal agreement with the SBIC, Small
11:58:23 Business Information Center, and they provided us
11:58:26 information on that.
11:58:27 Those who don't understand it, you need to recognize
11:58:30 that that interlocal agreement with the county to
11:58:33 provide technical assistance, advice and all of that
11:58:36 for East Tampa, West Tampa and Ybor City, at the tune
11:58:42 of $93,000 a year.
11:58:43 So I hope you will avail yourself to the services.
11:58:46 Technical assistance and service.
11:58:50 I think they are located in Ybor City, right?
11:58:53 Is it Temple Terrace?
11:58:56 Temple Terrace?
11:58:57 >> Ed Johnson, CRA manager for East Tampa.
11:59:02 That's correct.
11:59:03 They are located on 56th street in Temple Terrace
11:59:05 is where the SBIC's consolidate offices are where they
11:59:09 have a multitude of services available for small
11:59:13 >>THOMAS SCOTT: I want to stress that you allow that
11:59:15 service, okay?
11:59:16 >> Mr. Chairman, I would like to make sure that you all
11:59:19 understand that part of that $93,000 fund is also --
11:59:25 there's about $28,000 that we are also utilizing for
11:59:31 SBIC's assistance in our enter praise program which is
11:59:34 also near and dear to our hearts.
11:59:36 So it's not only for training but it's also for
11:59:38 administration and outreach and enterprise zone.
11:59:41 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you.
11:59:42 Item 28.
11:59:43 I want to highlight this item to have let people know
11:59:46 that assistance is available at the tune of $100,000.
11:59:49 Go ahead.
11:59:52 >>CINDY MILLER: Director growth management development
11:59:55 This is a grant that we have applied for, where all
11:59:57 employees by counseling constituents that are in danger
12:00:01 from the standpoint of foreclosure and danger with
12:00:04 their home Marge will be able to come to the housing
12:00:06 community development division for assistance.
12:00:08 We will be both counseling and hopefully finding
12:00:11 programs for applicants to be able to work through
12:00:14 their dilemmas that they are having.
12:00:16 I am also going to leave with you where we do have
12:00:18 brochures both in print and on our Web site that are
12:00:22 basically advice the as to how folks should be working
12:00:25 with their mortgage holders.
12:00:26 And I do thank you, sir, for highlighting this.
12:00:29 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you very much.
12:00:29 Again, this is a grant to the tune of $100,000 where
12:00:33 the housing assistance --
12:00:38 >> The housing community development division is
12:00:40 located on Nebraska.
12:00:41 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Thank you.
12:00:42 Is available for helping people who find themselves at
12:00:44 the brink of foreclosure and that sort of thing and get
12:00:48 So I want to highlight that.
12:00:49 So the motion to approve that.
12:00:50 >> Second.
12:00:54 >>THOMAS SCOTT: No, I need someone to move it.
12:00:56 >> So moved.
12:00:57 >> Second.
12:00:58 >>THOMAS SCOTT: All in favor?
12:01:00 It's lunch time, council.
12:01:02 I have a memo from Mr. Smith that -- for discussion on
12:01:09 item 86 and 87.
12:01:17 He would like to have that item continued till they
12:01:20 have a full council, at the next council meeting
12:01:22 request, because this afternoon members won't be here.
12:01:26 Now, I still have, if you go want to go ten minutes
12:01:31 over, I have time if all want to do that.
12:01:34 I don't know.
12:01:34 But 856 is we can take that up real quick.
12:01:42 86 and 87, do you all want to continue that item to the
12:01:46 next meeting?
12:01:47 >> Yes.
12:01:48 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Okay.
12:01:49 Motion to continue item 86 and 87?
12:01:53 >>MARY MULHERN: So moved 134 second.
12:01:55 >>THOMAS SCOTT: All in favor?
12:01:56 That will be on our next meeting.
12:01:59 October 21st.
12:02:00 Sorry to keep you waiting.
12:02:02 Item 85, Mr. Stokes.
12:02:07 >>CURTIS STOKES: I on Monday I asked this item be
12:02:09 removed from the agenda.
12:02:11 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Second.
12:02:12 >>THOMAS SCOTT: The question I have with legal, and the
12:02:16 question is, item 85 is renaming of the playground and
12:02:21 activity center, I believe, the way the motion was
12:02:25 The question is, I guess, with this -- will this come
12:02:29 Because touch remove it from the agenda, taking it off
12:02:34 the agenda for the state doesn't mean it will come
12:02:37 It does not come back or what?
12:02:41 >>CHARLES FLETCHER: Had council made the motion to
12:02:43 consider the item, consider whether to withdraw it
12:02:46 until such time as there's a future motion or council
12:02:49 could determine to continue it to a time certain.
12:02:51 It's council's purview.
12:02:54 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Councilman Stokes, that's the motion.
12:02:56 I just need to know.
12:02:58 >>CURTIS STOKES: Just until there's -- I'm not sure
12:03:01 what procedure there is till we see what the procedures
12:03:04 are for naming facilities for our current City Council
12:03:10 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Well, there is no procedure at this
12:03:14 particular point.
12:03:15 My next point was that away from this, of that we draft
12:03:19 some guidelines and procedures for if you are going to
12:03:26 name parks and buildings after council personnel.
12:03:30 From my perspective, talking about me, nobody else,
12:03:34 because I didn't do it, nobody else, just me, from my
12:03:36 days on the county commission, we could not -- we could
12:03:41 not name a building or park or street or truck or
12:03:47 anything after a City Commissioner or staff person
12:03:50 while they are working or on the commission.
12:03:54 It had to be done once we were gone.
12:03:57 So my position is -- and this again has nothing to do
12:04:01 with Ms. Miller, I would support it, but in the future
12:04:07 you come back with some sort of guidelines, Mr. Shelby,
12:04:10 or Mr. Fletcher, relative to that, and I think that
12:04:14 would guide council in the future.
12:04:15 What I don't like is this -- we never done it that way
12:04:20 before, we have never done it.
12:04:22 That's the last seven dying words of any organization.
12:04:27 "we never did it that way before."
12:04:31 All I'm saying is let's draft some procedures, let's
12:04:34 draft a process so in the future, if someone wants this
12:04:38 to happen, they have a process in place to address it
12:04:42 as we move forward.
12:04:44 >>CURTIS STOKES: I think we mirrored a decision of the
12:04:48 county and will expedite that.
12:04:50 >>MARTIN SHELBY: If I can, Mr. Chairman, this issue
12:04:54 did come up several years ago with regard to road
12:04:56 namings, and the administration did bring back a
12:05:00 I believe Mr. Snelling was involved in that.
12:05:01 >>CHARLES FLETCHER: We Don have an ordinance on naming
12:05:04 and renaming roads.
12:05:05 That's in code.
12:05:06 So that's a different animal in this context.
12:05:10 The administration had developed internally a procedure
12:05:14 that they use when they are making recommendations, and
12:05:17 we can get that to council.
12:05:19 That would not be binding on council, but just as a
12:05:22 point of information we can make that available.
12:05:23 >>THOMAS SCOTT: All I'm asking for at some future
12:05:29 date, I go off, what, April 1st offer off City
12:05:36 I would like it to come back before I leave.
12:05:48 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: Would reconsideration be proper?
12:05:51 >> No.
12:05:52 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I second it.
12:05:53 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Moved and seconded to remove that from
12:05:55 the agenda.
12:05:56 My question is, when will it come back?
12:05:58 He's going to bring it back at some future date.
12:06:00 My issue is separate from that.
12:06:02 My issue is that we set procedures and policies or
12:06:06 procession in place.
12:06:07 And that will come back to us, when, 60 days, or
12:06:10 January 1st?
12:06:12 That's enough time?
12:06:15 >> We have done most of the research and compiling it
12:06:17 already, so we can do it the next meeting or the first
12:06:21 meeting in November.
12:06:23 >>THOMAS SCOTT: I would like to have input.
12:06:29 I want every council member -- I want you all to look
12:06:33 at it and talk and then bring it.
12:06:35 >>> You would like a section put together and based on
12:06:38 other information from other jurisdictions.
12:06:40 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Yes.
12:06:41 >> I would recommend the first meeting in January.
12:06:43 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Okay.
12:06:43 >> So moved.
12:06:47 >> Second.
12:06:48 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Now you have to carry.
12:06:50 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Motion made by Mr. Scott.
12:06:51 Seconded by Mr. Stokes.
12:06:55 All in favor of that motion please say Aye.
12:06:55 Opposed, Nay.
12:06:56 The Ayes have it unanimously.
12:06:58 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Okay.
12:06:58 That covers all --
12:07:02 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Except for number 22, the rules and
12:07:04 >>THOMAS SCOTT: 22 and the hearing officer thing.
12:07:11 What number was that?
12:07:12 The appeal process, number 20, right?
12:07:15 Did we approve number 20?
12:07:21 Mr. Fletcher, item 20 was the hearing appeal process?
12:07:24 >>CHARLES FLETCHER: Yes, Mr. Chairman.
12:07:29 These were the --
12:07:30 >> I just want to highlight it.
12:07:31 These are issues that I initiated coming on council.
12:07:34 There were those complaining about administration
12:07:36 serving as the hearing officer, so now we have a
12:07:39 process in place to address that.
12:07:41 We brought it to council.
12:07:43 I am going to move that item.
12:07:45 Somebody can second it.
12:07:46 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Motion made by Mr. Scott, seconded
12:07:49 by Mr. Caetano on a close vote with Ms. Mulhern.
12:07:52 All in favor of that motion please indicate by saying
12:07:56 The Ayes have it unanimously.
12:07:57 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Okay.
12:07:58 And then item 22.
12:07:59 >>CHARLES FLETCHER: Mr. Daignault is here on 88 which
12:08:04 is the County Line Road streetlights.
12:08:05 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Mr. Daignault, I'm sorry, come on
12:08:12 >>STEVE DAIGNAULT: Administrator for public works and
12:08:15 utility services here at the request of council.
12:08:17 Again, I have no additional information beyond what I
12:08:19 have met with council member Caetano and passed to him.
12:08:23 It looks like the best solution for lights on County
12:08:26 Line Road would be a group effort between Pasco and
12:08:30 Hillsborough County and it would require an assessment
12:08:33 of those people in that area.
12:08:34 That's the best solution I can come up with at this
12:08:37 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Mr. Caetano?
12:08:41 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: Mr. Caetano, do you want a
12:08:44 preliminary price of what it would cost for those
12:08:46 streetlights from TECO perhaps?
12:08:49 >>> From TECO, they do not charge you unless they have
12:08:52 to run a new line.
12:08:53 But if there is power and poles there, they just have
12:08:58 to put the lights up there, there is no additional
12:09:01 It is just a monthly fee for the use of the
12:09:04 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: Because I think you said one time
12:09:07 that the poles, I had suggested they put these lights
12:09:10 on, were too far from the road.
12:09:12 I don't know if they have different sizes of arms that
12:09:15 come out.
12:09:15 >> Again, we have not asked TECO or anyone to do any
12:09:19 preliminary evaluation or looking at that.
12:09:23 We can do that.
12:09:24 I will be glad to check and see what it would take.
12:09:28 I'll be glad to pursue that.
12:09:30 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: I make that as a motion that Mr.
12:09:34 Daignault pursue the initial cost of what it would cost
12:09:36 to get lights on the existing poles that are there,
12:09:39 whether they are capable.
12:09:42 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Moved and seconded by councilman
12:09:44 All in favor?
12:09:47 The last item, Mr., would officer Miller please come
12:09:53 into the chamber of City Council, please?
12:09:57 >>MARTIN SHELBY: What are going to be the rules of
12:09:59 It's a very brief item.
12:10:00 I don't know if you want to take it up today.
12:10:03 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Don't need to do anything other than --
12:10:07 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Very quickly, council, I passed
12:10:10 around a minor change, just deleting a few words just
12:10:14 to clarify one of the rules on page 11, and a
12:10:18 typographical item, just on item 5.
12:10:23 I put that in a substitution.
12:10:25 I would like to present that to you.
12:10:26 It has to be read by title after these afterwards these
12:10:30 rules take effect.
12:10:31 Basically, council, just so you know, item is going to
12:10:38 mean if it's a quasi-judicial matter and the matter
12:10:40 fails to receive at least four votes, the motion fails.
12:10:45 And if another motion that's in order is not made, the
12:10:47 result will then be to reopen the public hearing and
12:10:51 continue it to a date and time certain when the full
12:10:53 council may be present.
12:10:54 That will preserve a lot of the issues, or preserve the
12:10:59 notice train and cure a lot of problem that the council
12:11:02 has had in the past.
12:11:03 And I presented this for your approval.
12:11:06 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: So moved.
12:11:07 >> Second.
12:11:08 >>THOMAS SCOTT: By title.
12:11:10 >>MARTIN SHELBY: The resolution is number 22 by title.
12:11:15 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Mr. Chairman, item number 22 is a
12:11:20 resolution for presented for second reading and
12:11:24 adoption, resolution replacing the rules and of
12:11:26 procedure governing meetings of the City Council of the
12:11:28 City of Tampa superseding all previous resolutions
12:11:33 setting forth procedure, providing an effective date.
12:11:35 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Seconded by councilman Caetano.
12:11:38 All in favor?
12:11:42 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Thank you, City Council.
12:11:43 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Motion to -- okay.
12:11:48 I'm sorry.
12:11:48 We are going to break for lunch.
12:11:51 Officer Miller.
12:11:57 Mr. Miller?
12:11:59 All the cameras on Mr. Miller.
12:12:04 By the powers invested of in me I want to declare that
12:12:06 you have a birthday next Tuesday, and we also wish a
12:12:09 happy birthday to you.
12:12:11 So -- [ Laughter ]
12:12:14 Enjoy your birthday.
12:12:18 And we appreciate you so much what you do for council.
12:12:21 I want to say this for the record.
12:12:23 He really looks out for council.
12:12:26 When there are funerals or things he makes sure we get
12:12:28 parking, and get directions.
12:12:33 You really, really have taken care of the City Council.
12:12:35 And I want you to notch we really do value, we
12:12:38 appreciate you so very much.
12:12:42 >>MARY MULHERN: Happy birthday.
12:12:43 You look so young.
12:12:45 I can't believe you are a year older.
12:12:47 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Anything else this morning?
12:12:49 >>MARTIN SHELBY: A reminder, council, that you do have
12:12:51 an afternoon agenda, albeit a short one, and Mr.
12:12:56 Miranda, my understanding will be chairing that
12:13:03 Thank you.
12:13:03 >>THOMAS SCOTT: This afternoon.
12:13:07 I see an attorney here.
12:13:08 >> If it's something related to this afternoon it's my
12:13:11 visits not subject to take it up.
12:13:13 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Again Ms. Miller and I will not be
12:13:16 here but I hope you will all be back here at 1:30.
12:13:21 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I would like to say happy birthday to
12:13:23 my dear friend Charlie Demico who is sitting in the
12:13:28 audience and we are going to celebrate this afternoon.
12:13:30 Happy birthday, Charlie.
12:13:33 >>THOMAS SCOTT: Happy birthday.
12:13:33 You all really surprised me last week.
12:13:36 I tell you, on mine.
12:13:38 It really surprised me.
12:13:40 Caught me off guard.
12:13:42 Thank you all very much.
12:13:43 We stand in recess till 1:30.
12:13:45 Thank you.
13:38:01 (Tampa City Council reconvened for the 1:30 p.m.
13:38:09 -(roll call).
13:40:55 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: For the record, I ought to mention
13:40:57 that both Chairman Scott and Gwen Miller, Gwen miller
13:41:01 is absent because of a terrible tragedy in her family.
13:41:05 Her mother passed away.
13:41:06 We have that in the record this morning.
13:41:08 And Chairman Scott also stated earlier that he won't be
13:41:10 here in the afternoon.
13:41:11 So we'll have four, possibly five members, is my
13:41:15 understanding, that we'll hear 89.
13:41:19 I don't know -- or 90, we have to open these public
13:41:23 >> Move to open the public hearings 89, 90.
13:41:31 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: And 91.
13:41:32 I have a motion by Ms. Mulhern, seconded by Mr. Stokes.
13:41:36 All in favor of that motion please indicate by saying
13:41:39 Opposed Nay.
13:41:40 The Ayes have it unanimously.
13:41:42 I am going to skip 89 for a second and go to 90.
13:41:46 We have had a request for continuance to November
13:41:50 Is there anyone in the audience who would like to speak
13:41:53 only on the continuance to November 18th?
13:41:57 I see no one.
13:41:58 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I'm sorry, Mr. Chairman, November
13:42:04 18th is the last regular meeting before your break.
13:42:09 There is an evening meeting as well so perhaps would
13:42:10 you like to schedule that for 10:30 in the morning on
13:42:13 November 18th.
13:42:16 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: If I may here hear a motion from
13:42:19 council members for the 18th at 10:30.
13:42:22 Motion by Mr. Stokes.
13:42:23 Second by Ms. Mulhern.
13:42:24 Further discussion by council members?
13:42:25 All in favor of the motion please indicate by saying
13:42:28 Opposed, Nay.
13:42:28 Item 90 is continued to November 18th at 10:30.
13:42:33 Item 91.
13:42:34 Do you all wish to be heard?
13:42:36 Yes or no?
13:42:36 >> Respectfully, we would request, if you are willing,
13:42:43 a continuance to October 21st at 10:30 in the
13:42:46 We understand you have a lot in the morning and the
13:42:50 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Anyone in the audience care to speak
13:42:52 to this continuance to October 21st?
13:42:55 You have to understand that right now we have a four
13:42:58 council members which means that anything would have to
13:43:00 pass would be unanimously.
13:43:02 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Council, I should bring this to
13:43:04 council's attention.
13:43:05 Under your rules that are adopted which actually was
13:43:08 council's policy but are now put into writing, it
13:43:10 states -- and I'm quoting rule 6-C, if at a
13:43:15 quasi-judicial hearing only four members are available
13:43:18 to take action a petitioner shall have the right to
13:43:20 continue until there are a minimum of five members.
13:43:23 If there is less than a full City Council then a
13:43:26 petitioner may request a continuance but it will not be
13:43:28 a matter of right N.this case there are only four
13:43:30 members present.
13:43:31 So per council's rules, as a matter of right the
13:43:34 petitioner does have the right to request a later date.
13:43:38 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Please state your name for the
13:43:39 >> Walter Crumbley with Courier City Oscawana
13:43:43 homeowners association.
13:43:46 This is not the way I planned to spend my birthday.
13:43:49 I noticed you are celebrating everybody's birthdays
13:43:51 this morning.
13:43:52 >> Happy birthday.
13:43:53 >> Thank you very much.
13:43:57 We keep coming down here.
13:43:59 This is the fourth or fifth visit we have had here.
13:44:04 And if you are going to continue it, which you
13:44:06 obviously are, then we think it should be to an up or
13:44:12 down vote.
13:44:12 No more participation by the audience, no more business
13:44:19 with the City Council and this sort of thing.
13:44:21 Let just get it to a vote once and for all.
13:44:23 You had a vote in favor.
13:44:25 You had a vote against it.
13:44:26 And now we are down here and had a postponement one
13:44:30 time because you didn't have a full council.
13:44:33 We would just like to see the thing one way or the
13:44:35 other get done.
13:44:39 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Well, I can only speak to my
13:44:41 recollection or memory, came up before us one time, and
13:44:43 then the second time there was a legal, if I recall the
13:44:49 legal department, the legal department asked us to
13:44:52 reconsider because there was part of the record, could
13:44:54 have been disseminated against the petitioner the way
13:45:01 it came out or against us, so instead of doing that and
13:45:05 risking the taxpayers money in court and so forth and
13:45:07 so on, we choose to have the hearing reheard.
13:45:09 But I'll let the legal department speak to that.
13:45:11 >>REBECCA KERT: Legal department.
13:45:16 This was continued for a full public hearing.
13:45:21 You need to conduct a full public hearing on it.
13:45:23 >> Just for the record to be absolutely clear, I want
13:45:26 to go back.
13:45:27 We have now five council members and ask the
13:45:29 petitioner, do you still want to have a continuation?
13:45:35 >> As a courtesy to Ms. Miller and her familiar reply
13:45:38 and Mr. Scott's absence, yes, sir, we would still
13:45:41 request respectfully October 21st at 10:30 but that
13:45:44 would be your will.
13:45:45 Ron Weaver, 401 East Jackson Street for the record,
13:45:47 attorney for the Mangroves.
13:45:50 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: When there's only four council
13:45:52 members it's automatically referred to the pleasure of
13:45:54 the council or the compromise on that date forward.
13:45:58 Now there's five council members.
13:46:00 So now that changes a little bit.
13:46:02 Now it's the pleasure of the council whether they
13:46:04 choose to have a continuation.
13:46:05 Yes, Ms. Mulhern?
13:46:07 >>MARY MULHERN: I'll support the continuance, but I
13:46:13 want to be clear, if this is continued today, was it
13:46:20 continued first -- is this the first reading or second?
13:46:23 >>REBECCA KERT: Legal department.
13:46:24 This is the second reading.
13:46:27 And it was on the advice of the legal department that
13:46:29 you conduct a new second reading.
13:46:32 >>MARY MULHERN: A new second reading.
13:46:36 So at least -- next time we hear it, that will be it.
13:46:41 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: It will be the second.
13:46:43 Again I am going to ask one more time, does anyone in
13:46:45 the audience want to speak against the continuance to
13:46:47 October 21st?
13:46:49 That would be in the daylight hours.
13:46:51 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Council, the request of Mr. Weaver is
13:46:56 for the morning, 10:30, on October 21st at his
13:47:02 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Anyone in the audience has any
13:47:04 objection to 10:30 in the morning?
13:47:06 Hi see none.
13:47:07 What's the pleasure of council?
13:47:07 >> I would like to make a motion to reschedule the
13:47:13 second by reading of this motion, the public hearing to
13:47:17 October 21st, 10:30 a.m.
13:47:21 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Seconded by Ms. Capin.
13:47:23 >>MARTIN SHELBY: For the record this is a motion to
13:47:27 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: A motion to continue.
13:47:28 Motion by Mr. Stokes.
13:47:29 Seconded by Ms. Capin to continue to 10-21 at 10:30 in
13:47:33 the morning.
13:47:34 All in favor?
13:47:36 I hear no Nays.
13:47:37 Passes unanimously.
13:47:39 Thank you very much for appearing.
13:48:09 All right.
13:48:09 As we redo this, we have a public hearing, item number
13:48:13 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Mr. Chairman, I believe if we go
13:48:20 forward, it will require the witnesses to be sworn,
13:48:22 please, sir.
13:48:24 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Yes, sir.
13:48:24 This is a quasi-judicial.
13:48:26 Is there anyone that's going to testify on item number
13:48:29 Please raise your right hand to be sworn.
13:48:31 (Oath administered by Clerk)
13:48:39 >>BARBARA LYNCH: Land Development Coordination.
13:48:45 I do have a map for the overhead.
13:48:58 This is a request to vacate an alley in the East Tampa
13:49:00 and specifically lying between 46th street and
13:49:04 court street and running from old Columbus drive to
13:49:07 18th Avenue.
13:49:08 The petitioner's property shown in red, and the alley
13:49:11 is shown in yellow.
13:49:14 I have some photos of the alley.
13:49:19 The first photo is the alleyway looking south on
13:49:21 18th Avenue.
13:49:27 And the next photo is the alleyway looking north from
13:49:30 old Columbus drive.
13:49:34 The next shot is the petitioner's property.
13:49:41 I'm a little concerned because I am not sure if the
13:49:43 applicant is here.
13:49:47 Are you the applicant in this case?
13:49:50 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: No.
13:49:50 >>> I'm a little concerned because I do not see the
13:49:55 applicant here.
13:49:56 I mean, we could move forward or it may be better for
13:50:00 us to go ahead and continue the matter.
13:50:03 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Has the applicant been notified?
13:50:06 >>> Yes, but John had a death in the family so they had
13:50:12 another authorized agent.
13:50:14 And he was supposed to show up.
13:50:17 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: My advice is that we stop right
13:50:19 here, because if we are going to hear twice, we are
13:50:21 going to hear it now and hear it when the second agent
13:50:25 comes up, 006, and 007 before, and I think we will be
13:50:32 hearing the items at the same time.
13:50:35 Legal, do you have any problem with that?
13:50:38 Any problems with us continuing it now?
13:50:40 Because the agent is not here.
13:50:42 >>JULIA COLE: I would recommend we continue it.
13:50:45 I was just speaking with Mr. Shelby about your meeting
13:50:48 on October 21st, got filled up and suggest we move
13:50:52 it --
13:50:54 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: All right.
13:50:54 10:30 also?
13:50:55 >>MARTIN SHELBY: You could do it at 10:30.
13:50:58 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Anyone in the audience care to speak
13:50:59 to this continuance on item 89? I see no one.
13:51:04 I need a motion for continuance from council.
13:51:06 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: 10:30 on the 21st of October.
13:51:12 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Did you want it on -- was that
13:51:16 November 4th?
13:51:17 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'll guarantee you that hi won't be
13:51:19 here November 4th.
13:51:20 >>MARTIN SHELBY: The only other date is November
13:51:26 18th if you wish.
13:51:27 >> It doesn't matter to me.
13:51:32 She said either day.
13:51:36 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: October 21st is all right?
13:51:39 >> Whatever the pleasure of council is to go ahead and
13:51:41 get this continued.
13:51:42 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I believe Mr. Caetano said 10-21 at
13:51:46 I do hear a second?
13:51:48 Second by Mr. Stokes.
13:51:49 All in favor?
13:51:51 The Ayes have it unanimously.
13:51:54 We go now to information report by council members.
13:51:56 I go from left to right.
13:51:58 Mr. Stokes?
13:52:00 Ms. Mulhern?
13:52:04 Mr. Caetano?
13:52:07 >>JOSEPH P. CAETANO: Nothing at this time.
13:52:07 (The City Council meeting adjourned at 1:52 p.m.)
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