TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
Thursday, September 15, 2011
9:00 a.m. session
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09:06:48 >>MARY MULHERN: Good morning, and welcome to Tampa City
09:06:51 Council's workshop.
09:06:53 I will ask Councilman Reddick to introduce our invocation
09:07:01 today, but before that I would like to ask to remember in
09:07:07 our thoughts and prayers Jerry Winters, long time department
09:07:15 employee passed away.
09:07:16 He was the vice chair of the ATU, our union for regular
09:07:23 employees, and it was very sad, and he was very young, and
09:07:27 just a wonderful, wonderful person, and will be missed.
09:07:30 So I yield to Councilman Reddick.
09:07:32 >>FRANK REDDICK: Good morning.
09:07:35 We are privileged to have with us today pastor Tony Hawkins,
09:07:38 the pastor of faith alliance church in Tampa.
09:07:41 He will lead us in the invocation and the pledge of
09:07:46 Thank you.
09:07:46 >> Good morning.
09:07:52 Let us pray.
09:07:53 Most gracious and kind father, we come on this beautiful
09:07:58 September day to say thank you, for we thank you for the
09:08:01 beauty of life, strength, and also ask thou to come into
09:08:07 this room and endow these council representatives with your
09:08:11 wisdom and your knowledge to properly and respectfully
09:08:16 represent the citizens of this great city.
09:08:19 Bless now these citizens that stand with their concerns.
09:08:24 I ask that you would now come into this room and be a
09:08:27 mediator, that all concerns will be addressed.
09:08:30 Also, ask a special blessing upon the winters family this
09:08:35 Touch their grief, touch their hearts, comfort them with
09:08:39 their weak and build them when they are torn down.
09:08:42 Give them strength as they take steps.
09:08:47 We thank you.
09:08:48 [ Pledge of Allegiance ]
09:09:11 >>MARY MULHERN: Roll call, please.
09:09:13 >> Suarez, here.
09:09:15 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Here.
09:09:16 >>FRANK REDDICK: Here.
09:09:17 >>HARRY COHEN: Here.
09:09:26 >>MARY MULHERN: And we will now have presentation for
09:09:30 commendation of police Officer of the Month.
09:09:32 Councilman Reddick, our public safety chair.
09:09:35 >>FRANK REDDICK: Thank you, Madam Chair, to members of the
09:09:45 I'm honored then morning to present our officer for the
09:09:51 month of September, sergeant Richard O'Connor.
09:09:56 >> Assistant chief Mark Hamlin on behalf of Chief Castor.
09:10:05 She's out of town but I get the pleasure of introducing you,
09:10:11 sergeant Rich O'Connor, a friend for over 20 years.
09:10:15 Sergeant Connors has 23 years of service with the Tampa
09:10:17 Police Department and has been in charge of our fugitive
09:10:20 apprehension unit for two years.
09:10:21 This is a unit made up of six Tampa police officers and U.S.
09:10:27 deputy marshals and other officers and detectives from
09:10:29 around the bay area.
09:10:30 Since he's been in charge of that unit they made 770 arrests
09:10:34 which is incredible and these are violent fugitives, not
09:10:38 your everyday criminals.
09:10:39 These are America's most wanted, Tampa Bay's most wanted.
09:10:42 Approximately 60% of these cases have been Tampa cases but
09:10:45 the other 40% are people that are coming from other
09:10:48 jurisdictions and are in our community.
09:10:50 And you know if they are going to be here for a long period
09:10:53 of time they are obviously going to be committing crimes to
09:10:58 survive because they are career criminals.
09:11:00 Sergeant O'Connor planned an place during the period of July
09:11:04 5th to 29th of this year named operation summer
09:11:07 And the purpose was to round up as many of the 459
09:11:10 outstanding warrants that were identified with the City of
09:11:12 Tampa offenses.
09:11:14 The 459 warrants were primarily felony offenses or narcotics
09:11:20 offenses, and to coordinate this plan you don't just go out
09:11:23 and look for these people.
09:11:24 You have to do research, find out what their method of
09:11:26 operation is, find out where they may be hiding, if they are
09:11:30 violent how many officers they may need.
09:11:33 It's very intense preparation just before you go out and try
09:11:35 to pick these people up.
09:11:36 So those logistics were prepared and done by sergeant
09:11:40 The results.
09:11:41 Operation were 186 warrants cleared, 156 felons arrested, 44
09:11:46 fugitives arrested in the Tampa area, five were arrested
09:11:49 throughout the country.
09:11:50 20 detainers were placed for persons in prisons and those 20
09:11:54 were located in prison by sergeant O'Connor's research.
09:11:57 21 persons were identified as being deceased.
09:12:00 Those warrants were taken out of the system so officers
09:12:02 don't Vermont to waste their time going to look for these
09:12:05 people and self others were located in other states.
09:12:07 We are talking about attempted murder, robbery, felony
09:12:10 battery, armed robbery, false imprisonment, deriving from
09:12:14 the proceeds of prostitution, compelling an individual to
09:12:16 become a prostitute, trafficking in oxycodone and other
09:12:20 illegal narcotics.
09:12:22 Sergeant O'Connor with his knowledge, working relationships,
09:12:25 leadership and ability to plan, coordinate and execute an
09:12:28 effective operation was chiefly responsible for the success
09:12:31 of operation summer heat.
09:12:32 This initiative will certainly assist in the department's
09:12:35 continuing efforts to reducing crime in the City of Tampa,
09:12:38 and due to his continued leadership and dedication to the
09:12:41 department's mission and success of summer heat, sergeant
09:12:43 O'Connor has been chosen as Officer of the Month for
09:12:47 September 2011.
09:12:49 [ Applause ]
09:12:57 >>FRANK REDDICK: On behalf of Tampa City Council we would
09:12:59 like to present to you this commendation as chosen Officer
09:13:02 of the Month for the period ending September 2011.
09:13:07 We have some people that want to come and give you some
09:13:11 >> Chip Block of the PBA, and officers, this $100 gift card
09:13:24 to be used any way you see fit.
09:13:26 >> Thank you very much.
09:13:31 >> Congratulations on behalf of Tampa firefighters, some
09:13:37 >> Steve Stickley representing Stepp's towing service on
09:13:41 behalf of Jim, Judy and Todd Stepp, would like to present
09:13:45 this trophy to you.
09:13:47 We also have a gift card to Lee Roy Selmon's.
09:13:50 God bless his soul.
09:13:51 And we appreciate all the hard work you do out there for us.
09:13:55 >> Thank you very much.
09:13:57 Thank you.
09:13:57 >> Ybor City, these are not for you, they are for your
09:14:05 significant other.
09:14:06 >> That's wonderful.
09:14:16 >>STEVE MICHELINI: You have a new name.
09:14:18 Do you know what it was?
09:14:19 You will find out soon.
09:14:20 There's no such thing as Cold Case O'Connor.
09:14:22 Did you know that?
09:14:24 And he's got a team behind him so don't screw with you.
09:14:29 On behalf of Bryn Allen, we are going to provide you with a
09:14:33 photographic package for you and your family.
09:14:35 And on behalf of Bern's steakhouse, we are going to provide
09:14:40 you a din to go with those roses.
09:14:43 So look at this list.
09:14:44 I don't know what else you left off here.
09:14:50 >> Not yet.
09:14:51 I'm working on it.
09:14:52 >> We appreciate what you do for Tampa and congratulations.
09:14:54 >> Thank you so much.
09:14:59 I have a lot to say but I'll keep it brief.
09:15:01 First I want to thank City Council for their time this
09:15:04 Again, as the chief said, a lot of people were involved in
09:15:09 And just to throw out some quick thank-yous, obviously, the
09:15:13 mayor because he's had a good economist commitment to the
09:15:16 police department and we do appreciate that.
09:15:17 The chief and the chief and staff who actually orchid this
09:15:22 squad, and then had the confidence to put me in charge of
09:15:26 My naming and captain, huge support, and guidance through
09:15:29 these last two years.
09:15:31 Because this apprehension unit, this is the inception when I
09:15:36 came on so it was actually kind of new and we had some
09:15:42 learning curves and it worked out very well.
09:15:44 The U.S. marshals office for the countless hours to support
09:15:47 the Tampa Bay region.
09:15:48 It's been a great marriage between the agencies as far as
09:15:52 how we work together, and make things happen.
09:15:54 And then, of course, all my guys are seasoned veterans, but
09:16:01 they come out every day with the enthusiasm of the
09:16:05 first-year officer to do the mission for the city.
09:16:07 So again thank you.
09:16:09 And the private sector, thank you for your generosity.
09:16:12 We certainly appreciate it.
09:16:13 And I'm sorry.
09:16:14 I have got to thereon my wife and four children in.
09:16:18 [ Laughter ]
09:16:18 Almost got away without doing that.
09:16:20 But my wife and four children for their support and love and
09:16:23 makes it worth it every day.
09:16:25 Thank you.
09:16:27 [ Applause ]
09:16:33 >>MARY MULHERN: We'll move to our regular agenda.
09:16:52 And this is a workshop meeting.
09:16:57 Public comments will be heard after the individual workshop
09:17:00 item and will be limited to the subject of the workshop.
09:17:18 I think it would be appropriate for item number 3 to
09:17:21 continue that.
09:17:24 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I move that we continue item number 3.
09:17:26 >>MARY MULHERN: It looks like we need to pick a date after
09:17:30 So does that mean January?
09:17:33 Or December? I'm not sure what that -- January 2012.
09:17:38 >> I move that we move item 3 to January -- yes, 26.
09:17:51 >>CHAIRMAN: All in favor?
09:17:52 Anyone opposed?
09:17:53 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Is that 9 a.m.?
09:17:55 >> 9:00 a.m.
09:17:57 Thank you.
09:17:57 >>MARY MULHERN: We will move to our first item, agenda
09:18:02 item, a discussion of the status of historic preservation in
09:18:08 the City of Tampa.
09:18:10 Dennis Fernandez will introduce our presenters and give us
09:18:17 our take as our historic preservation director.
09:18:22 >>DENNIS FERNANDEZ: Historic preservation, urban design
09:18:24 manager for the city.
09:18:25 Thank you for the opportunity to appear before you this
09:18:27 morning and bring you -- provide you a status report on the
09:18:32 condition of historic preservation in the City of Tampa, as
09:18:36 well as providing an opportunity for many of the community
09:18:38 partners that are with us this morning to give you some
09:18:42 valuable information and perspective on the efforts of not
09:18:45 only the city in preserving historic structures but also the
09:18:48 neighborhoods and their commitment to preserve and restore
09:18:51 the historic resources of the city.
09:18:57 Presenting with me this morning are three very distinguished
09:19:00 individuals, very committed to historic preservation.
09:19:04 Gus Paras, and architect, current vice-president of the
09:19:08 Florida chapter of the American institute of architects,
09:19:12 past president of the local Tampa Bay chapter.
09:19:14 Also, he's able to provide over 50 years of experience and
09:19:20 not only architecture but in advocating for historic
09:19:26 Stephani Ferrell, architect in the city involved in
09:19:31 development projects and expert in tax incentives,
09:19:34 well-known within the preservation community nationally, and
09:19:37 providing over 25 years of experience for you this morning.
09:19:41 And Laurel Lockett, an attorney with Carlton Fields,
09:19:44 shareholder there, who specializes in environmental law and
09:19:47 commercial real estate, also a residents of a local historic
09:19:51 district in Tampa and Hyde Park, and very committed
09:19:54 individual in the preservation of Tampa's historic
09:19:58 And I just want to provide you a few visual items to begin
09:20:05 Historic preservation in the City of Tampa is based on the
09:20:08 vibrant and rich diverse history that the city shares.
09:20:13 Through that history, though, we have lost many important
09:20:16 structures which serve as iconic images of the past, the
09:20:21 courthouse, the Chamber of Commerce buildings, cigar
09:20:23 factories, many, many more.
09:20:26 With those losses, we have also lost the embedded energy
09:20:32 that those possess, to harvest the resources to construct
09:20:36 the building, and then also the materials that went into
09:20:38 landfills based on it, on their demise.
09:20:45 There are unintended consequences along the way such as
09:20:48 urban renewal which wiped out vast portions of our historic
09:20:52 areas in Ybor City and Centro Avenue.
09:20:58 But we are fortunate to have a great deal of historic
09:21:00 buildings left, and with those buildings, they serve as a
09:21:05 physical link to our shared past of the community.
09:21:09 And they provide our city with an identify as it continues
09:21:12 to evolve and grow.
09:21:16 These forgotten pieces of the past are able to become
09:21:19 relevant again.
09:21:20 The effect of historic preservation, economic development,
09:21:24 has been well documented.
09:21:25 As you see from time to time when we bring ad valorem
09:21:28 applications in front of you, it can be very dramatic.
09:21:31 As these architectural icons continue to be relevant and
09:21:36 continue to add to the economic vitality of our city.
09:21:42 And this brings a common benefit to our entire community.
09:21:45 It brings an economic engine, and it brings a sense of
09:21:50 placement so as we begin to discuss why historic
09:21:55 preservation and what facilitates that, we look at the Tampa
09:22:01 I think this is a building that we all can identify with and
09:22:05 really speaks to the commitment of historic preservation in
09:22:07 the city, both now and in the future.
09:22:19 >> Thank you, Dennis.
09:22:20 My name is Gus Paras, an architect in the City of Tampa and
09:22:26 have been for 50 years.
09:22:27 That seems like a long time, doesn't it?
09:22:29 And it's a great honor to be before you this morning to talk
09:22:33 about historic preservation.
09:22:36 I would like to tell you a little bit about the heritage
09:22:42 commit and the AIA and their function in historic
09:22:47 In this region.
09:22:50 The American institute of architects is a professional
09:22:52 association for architects and others in the field of
09:22:55 architecture, and it encompasses a chapter that represents
09:22:59 approximately 650 members in Hillsborough, Pinellas, Polk,
09:23:05 Hernando, citrus, Sumter, and Pasco counties.
09:23:08 The architectural heritage committee was formed in March
09:23:13 2006 when self of us architects decided that we needed a
09:23:17 group to advocate for the community and to advocate for
09:23:20 historic preservation and the maintenance of our rich
09:23:24 architectural heritage.
09:23:26 Our mission statement was to preserve and problem text the
09:23:29 integrity of the Tampa Bay area's architectural, historical
09:23:33 and cultural heritage while advancing public interest in
09:23:36 education in architecture, the built environment and design
09:23:42 in general.
09:23:48 The result has been that we have worked tirelessly with both
09:23:54 your staff, City Council, various organizations within the
09:24:01 city, and the neighborhoods in trying to streamline and to
09:24:07 make more efficient the historic preservation process.
09:24:18 You have in your packet a publication by the University of
09:24:35 Florida, the LEVIN college of law, who analyzed the impact
09:24:43 of historic preservation on the State of Florida.
09:24:46 They found the historic preservation brings an additional
09:24:49 $4.2 billion a year to the Florida economy, and more than
09:24:55 120,000 jobs, that historic preservation produces a
09:25:02 wonderful return for the public, money invested, and one of
09:25:04 the most efficient ways that public funds can be invested.
09:25:12 Next slide.
09:25:14 In some of the ways that historic preservation impacts the
09:25:19 economy and the state include property values in historic
09:25:23 districts being higher than other comparable districts.
09:25:27 And if you at your leisure have a chance to look at the
09:25:30 report that's in your booklet, you will see the details of
09:25:33 all of that.
09:25:33 But they have traced from 2001 through 2010, they found that
09:25:40 the economic value of properties within historic districts
09:25:45 rose faster than in other districts in Tampa.
09:25:50 They compared Hyde Park with Davis Island.
09:25:55 They also found that for the bottoming out of the economy
09:26:03 that historic districts held their value.
09:26:09 Also, heritage tourism.
09:26:13 They found that 47% of the tourists that came to in a said
09:26:17 that they visited a historic site or some historic activity.
09:26:24 That's a big number.
09:26:27 Historic rehabilitation, and that will be covered throughout
09:26:30 this presentation.
09:26:32 Historic museums we now have a history center, a wonderful
09:26:36 history center, and that also is a part of historic
09:26:39 preservation and being able to see what the rich heritage of
09:26:44 our community is.
09:26:45 And finally, economic development.
09:26:49 And if you look at the booklet, you will see that there was,
09:26:53 in the period of 2011 to 2008 -- 2007 to 2008, there was had
09:26:59 .13 billion dollars in heritage tourism, 2 billion in
09:27:04 historic rehabilitation, and the 97 million in history
09:27:11 operations throughout the state.
09:27:20 So let's look at why is historic preservation important?
09:27:28 First of all, what are the historic structures?
09:27:33 They are in the middle of our city.
09:27:35 For the last 50 years, people have been abandoning the city
09:27:39 for the suburbs.
09:27:40 In the meantime, we have had to build new roads, install new
09:27:44 water and sewer lines, build new schools, and take care of
09:27:47 the more spread-out infrastructure.
09:27:51 Our historic buildings are in the middle of our city and are
09:27:55 worth keeping.
09:27:56 Worth investing in.
09:27:59 They are our history.
09:28:03 They don't make them that way anymore.
09:28:11 It may not be cheap to fix them, but it's certainly worth
09:28:15 Here is why.
09:28:16 Historic preservation will bring federal tax money into our
09:28:21 That's 20% of the money spent rehabilitating national
09:28:25 register properties and 10% for the pre-1936 commercial
09:28:32 That's a lot of free money for our local economy.
09:28:36 And, again, where are those buildings?
09:28:41 Right in the middle of our city
09:28:43 Historic preservation will put our local building
09:28:46 contractors back to work.
09:28:50 And Lord knows we need that.
09:28:53 The unemployment rate among construction professionals has
09:28:57 been two to three times the average of the unemployment rate
09:29:02 throughout the community.
09:29:06 How many new subdivisions do we have going up?
09:29:09 How many glitzy malls?
09:29:11 There aren't any, are there?
09:29:14 But people are buying historic houses, historic commercial
09:29:18 buildings, and renovating
09:29:22 And that is what will provide work for our contractors, our
09:29:26 construction workers, people that provide materials, and all
09:29:31 the other people that are involved in the construction
09:29:34 We need to keep that going.
09:29:38 Jobs and historic preservation are local.
09:29:41 When your average developer rehabs a building, if he doesn't
09:29:46 tear it down.
09:29:47 He uses contemporary products.
09:29:50 Let's take a window, for example.
09:29:55 Do you want the contractor to buy 25 vinyl windows that got
09:30:00 fabricated in China? Or do you want to have your developer
09:30:07 hire a local craftsman to reglaze and repair a window and
09:30:12 keep all that money in the City of Tampa?
09:30:16 I go with keeping it here.
09:30:22 People are buying into the neighborhood, not just for the
09:30:26 They want to be able to walk to a corner store, ride their
09:30:31 bike, sit on a front porch.
09:30:34 They want sidewalks, and they want interesting architecture.
09:30:38 They want places where people feel invested in the future,
09:30:43 places where they can be proud of.
09:30:46 Our historic neighborhoods are all those things.
09:30:49 Developers don't build neighborhoods like this anymore, so
09:30:53 we should preserve the ones that we have.
09:30:57 These neighborhoods are also cheaper to serve.
09:31:01 They don't have cul-de-sacs, they don't get traffic backups,
09:31:05 they are close to existing houses, fire houses, police
09:31:08 precincts, and schools.
09:31:11 Their water and sewer systems are available without capital
09:31:14 expenditure for a new system.
09:31:17 And since people have been investing in downtown for the
09:31:19 last decade or more, these neighborhoods are closer to work
09:31:25 for the people that live in the historic neighborhoods.
09:31:29 Meaning that we spend less to build roads and less on gas
09:31:33 going back and forth to work.
09:31:38 We have the opportunity to develop new buildings within our
09:31:41 historic districts because there are spaces within those
09:31:47 districts that could accommodate new construction.
09:31:51 And that would mean that that new development would be less
09:31:55 demanding on public services.
09:31:59 Historic buildings are energy efficient.
09:32:02 Well, they are.
09:32:04 When you take into account where they are, historic
09:32:07 buildings are in the middle of or near to the middle of our
09:32:12 They require less driving for the people who live there, and
09:32:17 transit systems serve them easier, and people can walk to
09:32:21 their destinations easier.
09:32:23 And have you ever considered the energy it takes to tear
09:32:27 down a building and construct it from scratch again?
09:32:33 Dennis referred to that as embodied energy.
09:32:39 Stuff these historic buildings with insulation, fix the
09:32:42 windows, add some amenities, and they are as good as
09:32:46 anything you can build today.
09:32:49 And these buildings are our treasures.
09:32:54 They are what people think about when they talk about Tampa.
09:32:59 What do you think about when Tampa is mentioned?
09:33:03 Bayshore Boulevard?
09:33:07 Ybor City?
09:33:07 The Tampa Theatre?
09:33:11 The Tampa Bay hotel?
09:33:13 All of these and more are our historic past.
09:33:16 They are the reason people send postcards.
09:33:19 They are the reason people just come to visit and decide
09:33:22 they'll stay.
09:33:23 And they are the reason why, if you look on the Internet,
09:33:27 there is a multiplicity of sites with views of various
09:33:33 places in Tampa, especially historic Tampa.
09:33:37 And when those people visit, they help the economy of our
09:33:43 They spend money in our restaurants, they visit our tourist
09:33:47 attractions, and stay in our hotels.
09:33:50 Many of our visitors return to stay permanently, making
09:33:54 Tampa a growing, vibrant community.
09:33:59 We will now move on to the next portion of the presentation.
09:34:07 >> Thank you, Gus.
09:34:11 The next segment we would like to provide you some
09:34:13 information on the programs that we have in place within the
09:34:15 City of Tampa.
09:34:17 And I think it's appropriate to begin the discussion with
09:34:20 just a recognition that our programs are a reflection of
09:34:23 community goals, and these programs support the efforts of
09:34:26 the community both at a grassroots level and ongoing
09:34:30 organizational level as they strive to improve their
09:34:32 neighborhoods and improve the individual's properties within
09:34:35 the city.
09:34:38 Go back to the PowerPoint.
09:34:40 The City of Tampa delineates the city's preservation goals
09:34:43 and processes in three distinct chants, of chapter 27, and
09:34:48 those chapters, those sections of the chapter deal with the
09:34:52 Historic Preservation Commission, the architecture review
09:34:54 commission and the Barrio Latino commission.
09:34:59 These commissions all strive to benefit the economic
09:35:04 vitality of the cities that are the preservation of the
09:35:07 city's historic resources and successful development of
09:35:10 public spaces, places exhibiting distinctive character and
09:35:14 quality of design.
09:35:18 In addition to the administration.
09:35:20 Commission, the historic pp urban design commission also
09:35:23 administered the interstate historic preservation trust
09:35:26 fund, which I will talk a little bit about in this segment.
09:35:30 The historic --
09:35:32 >>MARY MULHERN: Dennis, can I just ask you, was that last
09:35:35 slide the Floridan?
09:35:38 >> That is the Floridan.
09:35:40 >>MARY MULHERN: Do we have an ETA for when that's opening?
09:35:43 Or that's part of the presentation?
09:35:46 [ Laughter ]
09:35:46 We are all anxiously awaiting it.
09:35:48 >> I was fortunate enough to have a tour of the Floridan a
09:35:52 couple of weeks ago with Mr. Markopoulos, who is the owner,
09:35:53 and I can report to you that the rooms are all built out,
09:35:57 carpeted, ready to go.
09:35:58 The lobby areas are wonderful.
09:36:01 You are going to be very impressed by the work he's put into
09:36:06 He is going to be open for the RNC, and plans to be open
09:36:11 prior to that and it's looking wonderful.
09:36:16 As a subnote, I can tell you that this building would not be
09:36:19 here if it was not locally designated.
09:36:25 Back to the Historic Preservation Commission.
09:36:27 This is a commission that identifies currently undesignated
09:36:30 historic properties and districts, and then goes through a
09:36:33 recommendation process to bring those to you for local
09:36:37 designation, and City Council is ultimately the entity which
09:36:41 determines if those designations are passed.
09:36:44 In addition to landmark structures and local districts,
09:36:48 there's another group called multiple property designations,
09:36:51 and in addition to that, they also create the design
09:36:54 standards that are put in place.
09:36:55 And these design standards become the basis for the
09:36:58 architecture review process, which is the regulatory
09:37:02 One key component to remember is we are dealing with local
09:37:06 historic districts.
09:37:07 These are districts -- or structures designated by local
09:37:11 National register districts, which are designated through
09:37:15 the department of the interior, those designations bring
09:37:19 recognition to the structures but very limited protection.
09:37:23 The protection really comes at the local level.
09:37:28 And ensuring that the historic integrity.
09:37:33 Districts and buildings are kept in place you have two
09:37:35 Architectural Review Commissions in the city, one referred
09:37:38 to as the architecture review commission and the other the
09:37:41 Barrio Latino commission.
09:37:42 The architectural review commission or the ARC deals with
09:37:46 new construction, additions, exterior alterations,
09:37:50 relocations, demolition reviews.
09:37:53 They can consider variances and provide recommendations to
09:37:56 you on rezonings.
09:37:58 And one important concept to remember is that the regulation
09:38:02 applies to the exterior only of the historic structures and
09:38:06 the public places within the district.
09:38:09 The interiors are only reviewed if the property owner
09:38:13 determines that they elect to pursue some tax credits, and
09:38:16 then there's an interior review.
09:38:19 Otherwise solely exterior.
09:38:20 >> Dennis, before you move on I have questions about that.
09:38:26 You talk about the historic integrity.
09:38:29 But what is the criteria?
09:38:32 And maybe you will get to the photo, I don't know, of
09:38:34 determining the contributing, the historic contributing to
09:38:38 the neighborhood of the area?
09:38:40 Because there has been something come through where, in
09:38:45 looking at them and looking at the age, and the architecture
09:38:49 of the building, it would seem that structure was
09:38:53 historically significant, or contributing, but the HBC
09:39:02 didn't put any criteria on the addition or renovation, or
09:39:06 any construction work that was being done to the building.
09:39:10 So is it based on where that structure is located?
09:39:14 Is it -- because some neighborhoods obviously are going to
09:39:18 have more of a stock of historic buildings that either are
09:39:23 or are not yet renovated, but other neighborhoods, there may
09:39:27 only be a few scattered here and there because we have lost
09:39:30 many of the buildings due to redevelopment.
09:39:33 So I want to make sure that even neighborhoods that don't
09:39:36 have enough of historic buildings left remaining, we keep
09:39:43 the ones that are there.
09:39:46 And that worries me.
09:39:50 >>DENNIS FERNANDEZ: Councilwoman, it is a challenge, and the
09:39:52 real key factor is that we have to work towards designating
09:39:56 structures so that we do have been some input in how they
09:40:00 are rehabilitated.
09:40:02 Not only is demolition a challenge, but inappropriate
09:40:07 remodeling can also take away from the historic integrity.
09:40:11 Within the local historic districts, and those structures
09:40:13 that are designated, each property prior to receiving any
09:40:16 type of building permit would have a review, either at
09:40:19 administrative level or the board level depending on what
09:40:21 the requirement is.
09:40:22 Also, all demolitions within the City of Tampa that are
09:40:26 requested on the property that's 50 years or older are
09:40:30 reviewed by the department as well.
09:40:32 >>LISA MONTELIONE: And this came up at a neighborhood
09:40:35 association meeting last night, but what option do we have,
09:40:37 if there is a project coming forward, and we didn't, you
09:40:41 know, meet with someone asking to rezone the property
09:40:45 beforehand, because some come to us before they file and
09:40:49 some don't, and when it's a construction permit we never see
09:40:55 Is there something that we, any one of us, question, if we
09:41:01 see it happening, or it comes to our attention, how do we
09:41:06 maybe express concern that this structure may not have been
09:41:13 either thoroughly reviewed or find out what the
09:41:16 consideration was when it was approved for an addition or
09:41:21 remodel that doesn't seem appropriate?
09:41:24 >>MARY MULHERN: Councilwoman and Dennis, excuse me, but I'm
09:41:26 sorry that I asked my quick question, but I think you have
09:41:30 great questions, and I think we need to hear all the
09:41:34 presenters, all of your questions relate to what this
09:41:37 workshop is about, and let's do that after we hear from
09:41:42 Because I think your questions relate to many of the
09:41:46 presentations we are going to hear, and they are great.
09:41:49 But I think just in the interest of getting -- making sure
09:41:53 we hear from everyone.
09:41:57 >>DENNIS FERNANDEZ: I think many of those questions are
09:41:59 probably going to be answered through the course of this.
09:42:01 Back to the Architectural Review Commission.
09:42:04 The Architectural Review Commission has jurisdiction over
09:42:08 three of the four local historic districts in the city, the
09:42:11 multiple property designations and the locally --
09:42:14 individually locally landmark structures.
09:42:17 One of the historic districts, obviously I think we are all
09:42:20 aware of one of the jewels of the city is the Hyde Park
09:42:23 local historic district.
09:42:24 This has a period of significance in which the neighborhood
09:42:26 was developing, between 1886 and 1933.
09:42:30 Both the national register and the local designation as
09:42:34 And encompasses 1400 buildings, both contributing and not
09:42:38 contributing are regulated as well as the grid, and the
09:42:41 public areas of the district.
09:42:46 Architecture review commission also oversee it is Tampa
09:42:49 Heights local historic district, one of the first
09:42:52 neighborhoods of the city, developed in the late 1800s.
09:42:57 Designated nationally in the 1990s, and then locally in
09:43:02 This encompasses 500 buildings, mainly residential
09:43:05 buildings, but there are some institutional buildings such
09:43:07 as churches and schools within this area.
09:43:11 The Seminole Heights historic district, one of our
09:43:13 well-known bungalow neighborhoods, where the period of
09:43:16 significant from 1912 to 1939, encompassing 215 acres of 516
09:43:24 buildings and approximately 85% of those are historic
09:43:27 structures, what we refer to as contributing structures.
09:43:30 And I think each one of those neighborhoods you deal with
09:43:33 from time to time because they have very active neighborhood
09:43:36 associations that are all very supportive of historic
09:43:39 In addition to the local districts, we created some multiple
09:43:45 property designations which I think is what Councilwoman
09:43:48 Montelione is referring to, areas that may not necessarily
09:43:51 qualify as local historic districts but do have a linkage.
09:43:56 These exist in Beach Park, downtown, there's an
09:44:00 African-American heritage category, West Tampa, and the
09:44:04 historic bridges over the Hillsborough River.
09:44:07 Two of which are currently rehabilitated.
09:44:11 And then we have 60 individual local landmark structures
09:44:14 which are spread throughout the city, and these are just
09:44:17 unique and culturally significant properties and buildings
09:44:20 that contribute to the history and the character of the
09:44:24 And we bring those to you individually in order to protect
09:44:27 those through the secretary of the interior standards for
09:44:32 The Barrio Latino commission, one of the earliest
09:44:35 commissions to regulate architectural review in the country,
09:44:40 this commission began to meet prior to the establishment of
09:44:44 the national historic preservation act in 1966.
09:44:47 So very much on the forefront of preservation.
09:44:50 They are reviewed for compatibility just as the ARC does but
09:44:54 they focus exclusively on the Ybor City local historic
09:44:57 And Ybor City is also referred to as a national landmark
09:45:01 district, which received that distinction in 1990.
09:45:04 There's only five other national landmark districts in the
09:45:07 State of Florida.
09:45:09 And Ybor City is the only actual activity involving national
09:45:12 register or national landmark districts, others being the
09:45:16 Cape Canaveral launch pads, the St. Augustine, these type of
09:45:22 There's 600 acres oar approximately 1700 buildings, 69%
09:45:26 contributing, featuring the most significant collection of
09:45:31 cigar factories in the United States, in addition to worker
09:45:37 housings which supported those factories, and ethnic and
09:45:40 cultural clubs which were an early form of support for
09:45:43 immigrant families who came to the United States, and they
09:45:47 also had an HMO program.
09:45:49 You have heard Councilman Miranda talk about that.
09:45:53 Very ahead of its time, and very unique resource and
09:45:58 valuable resource to the City of Tampa.
09:46:02 The program oversees because it is regarded as a certified
09:46:07 local government compliant program, the ability to recommend
09:46:11 ad valorem exemptions to the City Council, and this was
09:46:16 created during a 1992 amendment to the in a Constitution.
09:46:20 And you often see these come before you, usually after the
09:46:22 fact, when the owners have executed the work.
09:46:26 And this is really a commitment on the property owners to
09:46:29 not only rehabilitate the structure but to do so to the
09:46:34 heightened level so they can enjoy some tax relief that
09:46:37 offsets the cost of rehabilitation.
09:46:39 And this program is very successful in stimulating the
09:46:42 revitalization of historic properties and neighborhoods,
09:46:46 providing incentives for proper historic preservation
09:46:49 techniques, maintaining the historic properties and
09:46:52 encouraging local communities to seek designation and local
09:46:56 protection for their buildings.
09:46:58 The exemption applies to 100 percent of the assessed value
09:47:01 of the improvements upon the property, and it stays in
09:47:06 effect for ten years, and it is transferable.
09:47:11 It applies to not only commercial properties such as the EL
09:47:15 progresso, the Ybor building in Ybor City, which just
09:47:18 enjoyed its rehabilitation and grand opening, but also some
09:47:26 interior shots of that.
09:47:27 I love the after-shots.
09:47:31 Also residential buildings.
09:47:32 Very dramatic.
09:47:33 And this is a real testament not only to the success of the
09:47:37 program but to the commitment of the individuals who
09:47:39 undertab these projects.
09:47:43 And then the interstate historic preservation trust fund,
09:47:46 which is a revolving trust fund that was established through
09:47:50 the sale of relocated properties as a result of the I-4, 275
09:47:55 expansion that has been seemingly going on for many, many
09:47:58 years now.
09:47:59 And with the federal funds that the city received for the
09:48:02 sale of this these properties, we created few different
09:48:06 programs, three mainly, one of which is a low-interest loan
09:48:11 program, and we issued over $3.8 million in rehabilitation
09:48:15 loans under that program.
09:48:18 And the second is an income-qualified owner-occupied home
09:48:23 assistance grant program.
09:48:24 We also have a small matching grant program for non-profit
09:48:29 And on the right, you see the Ferlita Macaroni family, which
09:48:34 was one of the recent successes of the preservation program
09:48:38 and the community efforts to save the last remaining
09:48:41 Sicilian macaroni factory in the City of Tampa, and it is
09:48:46 now being rehabilitated and there will a business that will
09:48:49 be going into that, that features historically appropriate
09:48:52 windows and other trim details to be used in construction.
09:48:59 One of the major projects that we contributed to was the
09:49:01 Morgan cigar factory, which is a vacant building for over 30
09:49:05 years, which Nicholas JAMAL took on as an effort of his
09:49:11 commitment to rehabilitating this cigar factory, and now it
09:49:15 houses the local campus for Argos university.
09:49:20 Along with the community, the city staff has worked to
09:49:22 create a more effective ordinances to protect our historic
09:49:28 structures such as the demolition of neglect ordinance that
09:49:30 was passed in 2009 in the wake of the Gary school collapse
09:49:35 and the demise of that through neglect of the property
09:49:40 In addition, we created some modifications, certainly
09:49:44 contemporary ordinances such as a sign ordinance to allow
09:49:47 for the reinstallation of historic vines such as the hotel
09:49:52 Floridan sign, the sign on top of the Morgan cigar factory
09:49:56 water tower and encroachment signs which you see throughout
09:49:59 the city on historic buildings.
09:50:02 And we'll go ahead and set up the PowerPoint and come up and
09:50:13 talk about tax incentives.
09:50:15 Thank you.
09:50:18 >> Well, I appreciate the opportunity to be here this
09:50:20 morning to talk to you about some of the ways to help
09:50:23 historic preservation happen.
09:50:26 When I first got involved in historic preservation initially
09:50:29 as a volunteer, and then soon thereafter became the director
09:50:32 of the historic preservation board, one of my keen interests
09:50:37 was bringing financial resources to bear so that our
09:50:42 historic buildings and neighborhoods could be preserved.
09:50:44 So that's kind of the major theme of my presentation, but I
09:50:51 will be talking to you specifically about some of the tools
09:50:54 that we have used.
09:50:56 And that we are continuing to use to rehabilitate historic
09:51:00 So Gus has talked to you about why preserve, and Dennis has
09:51:04 talked to you about the city programs that aid in the
09:51:06 preservation of historic resources.
09:51:11 And the main focus of my technical information will be on
09:51:14 the federal incentives that are available for historic
09:51:18 preservation and community redevelopment.
09:51:23 The first slide on the Elmo?
09:51:28 Very good.
09:51:30 These programs include the historic preservation federal
09:51:35 income tax credit, which was enacted in 1986 through the
09:51:38 economic recovery act by Congress.
09:51:43 Then subsequently there became the new markets tax credits,
09:51:47 and then there are also low-income tax credits.
09:51:51 These two latter programs can be used in combination with
09:51:53 the federal incomes tax credit.
09:51:56 Along the way, on the slides that you will see, you will see
09:52:01 some projects that you will notice, that I'm sure that you
09:52:06 will recall in the communities that have used the historic
09:52:10 preservation federal income tax credit, or actually are in
09:52:16 the process of doing that, and in some cases almost
09:52:20 Then the next slide we will talk about that some of the
09:52:25 Last year alone, in the country, there was almost
09:52:30 $4.7 billion in rehabilitation work approved using the
09:52:33 historic preservation tax credit.
09:52:36 Almost 71,000 jobs were created using -- in the course of
09:52:42 doing about a thousand projects, some of which created
09:52:46 almost 14,000 housing units in the country.
09:52:51 The picture on the right, just quickly, is the Sansucci
09:52:55 building in Ybor City, about a $1.75 million project, and so
09:53:01 tax credits will benefit the owners.
09:53:03 The Capitanos and Alan Kahana, about $30,000 so it's a
09:53:10 significant benefit.
09:53:10 Along the way I am going to be talking about some of the
09:53:13 >> Just for the clerk's benefit, can you just state your
09:53:17 name on the record?
09:53:18 >> Sure.
09:53:18 I am Stephani Ferrell.
09:53:22 Thank you.
09:53:23 And the next slide, please.
09:53:29 So the major focus of my discussion again will be the
09:53:32 historic preservation federal incomes income tax credits.
09:53:36 There are two tiers.
09:53:38 One is a 20% tax credit a, that is 20% of the cost of
09:53:45 rehabilitation of the property including soft costs.
09:53:48 Soft costs include such things as valuable architectural and
09:53:52 engineering services, and also construction period interest
09:53:56 and so forth.
09:53:56 And it doesn't just include the historic preservation fabric
09:54:01 restoration that you might think to be the case, but also
09:54:06 installation of elevators, new electrical systems, air
09:54:09 conditioning and heating, new roofing, windows, energy
09:54:16 upgrades as well.
09:54:17 So all of that is included in eligible expenses for those
09:54:21 tax credits.
09:54:22 To be eligible for the 20% tax credit, the property has to
09:54:25 be individually listed on the national register of historic
09:54:29 places, or contributing to a national register of historic
09:54:35 The 10% tax credits are available to properties which are
09:54:39 not -- that are not either of those two are not listed on
09:54:42 the register individually, nor contributing to historic
09:54:46 district, but were built and placed in service prior to
09:54:51 So there are some old buildings out there that are not
09:54:55 eligible that could also benefit from the 10% credit.
09:54:59 The 20% credits are available for commercial property
09:55:02 owners, either owner occupied or rental properties.
09:55:07 Sometimes to long-term commercial tenants.
09:55:11 You will see an example of that later.
09:55:12 And also for residential rental rehabilitations.
09:55:15 The 10% tax credits are only available for commercial
09:55:20 And when Congress enacted this law, they unfortunately did
09:55:24 not allow neither of these credits to be used for owner
09:55:29 occupied residential.
09:55:31 Unlake the property tax exemption, the local property tax
09:55:34 exemption which can be used for owner occupied residential
09:55:39 and other uses as well.
09:55:43 So the tax credit process, briefly, is a 3-part process
09:55:48 which first you have to demonstrate that the building
09:55:51 qualifies for the credits.
09:55:52 That building on the right is the Seidenberg cigar factory.
09:55:57 They received tax credits, actually the long-term tenant
09:56:01 which is Wilson Miller at the time, now Wilson Miller
09:56:06 STANTECH, approximately a $3 million project, so something
09:56:12 like $600,000 in historic preservation tax credit were
09:56:15 received by the long-term tenant.
09:56:17 Next slide.
09:56:20 The interior of the Seidenberg factory, and I guess another
09:56:26 scene -- and maybe it's a given -- but historic buildings
09:56:29 serve various functions.
09:56:30 They are not just icons there that are to be admired from a
09:56:35 distance, but they serve community and business needs like
09:56:38 the Seidenberg cigar factory.
09:56:41 Part two of the tax credit process, we have used the plans
09:56:44 and the specs to make sure that the plans for the building
09:56:49 preserve the architectural character of the building.
09:56:52 It's actually pretty simple.
09:56:54 And then next.
09:56:58 Part 3 of the tax credit application process requires that
09:57:05 you demonstrate that you did what you said you were going to
09:57:08 You preserved the architectural features that you said you
09:57:11 were going to do and you treated the building according to
09:57:13 the secretary of the interior standards.
09:57:15 The photo on the right is the Morgan cigar factory, which as
09:57:20 Dennis mentioned has been placed in use as a college, Argos
09:57:30 And that's the interior of the Morgan cigar factory.
09:57:34 And I mentioned earlier that there are other incentives that
09:57:39 can be used with the historic preservation federal income
09:57:42 tax credit.
09:57:43 And those include the new markets tax carets credit.
09:57:47 New markets credits are meant to stimulate commercial
09:57:50 redevelopment in blighted census tracks, and portions of
09:57:56 downtown qualify, currently qualify for the new markets tax
09:57:59 credits, portions of Ybor City, and West Tampa, and Tampa
09:58:03 Heights, for instance, do.
09:58:05 The new markets credits can be used in combination with the
09:58:09 historic credits.
09:58:10 They can also be used for new construction.
09:58:13 They can be used for mixed use projects which can include up
09:58:16 to 80% residential, although their goal was to stimulate
09:58:22 commercial development specifically.
09:58:25 It's a 39% tax credit over a seven-year period, so it is a
09:58:30 substantial tool that many developers who I work with try to
09:58:35 combine with historic credit RS.
09:58:38 And then there are the lob-income housing tax credits.
09:58:40 Those also can be used for historic credits when you are
09:58:43 rehabilitating buildings such as the cigar factory.
09:58:48 That would be a good combination of incentives.
09:58:51 There are also facade easements.
09:58:54 I am not going to go into detail on that, but that's a
09:58:57 donation, an conservation or facade easement donation.
09:59:04 And then there are also energy incentives that can be
09:59:08 combined with the historic credits.
09:59:13 And then another important concept is that we have been
09:59:18 talking about maybe buildings as a whole, and we have been
09:59:21 talking about neighborhoods.
09:59:24 One of the things that you can do when you put in Mace the
09:59:27 historic district, you can use that as a strategy for not
09:59:31 just developing one building, but also for developing groups
09:59:34 of buildings and turning around whole areas.
09:59:38 When my partners and I first bought the Arlington and the
09:59:41 buildings behind it, you couldn't find anybody on the
09:59:45 street, or very few people, and there was very little
09:59:51 Lou Prida had an accounting office but most of the buildings
09:59:56 were vacant there.
09:59:57 So we put in place that historic district.
09:59:59 We wrote the nomination.
10:00:00 We suggested to the city that buildings there be designated
10:00:06 as landmarks, worked with the neighborhood to see that
10:00:09 happen, and then one after one the buildings became
10:00:14 rehabilitated, and then we went to the city to reopen North
10:00:17 Franklin up to Tampa Heights.
10:00:20 Next slide.
10:00:21 So this was the Arlington in the 1920s, and the slide
10:00:25 before was the stucco version of the building, and this, in
10:00:29 the next slide that Ron will show us, is the building when
10:00:33 it was almost completed.
10:00:34 We reconstructed the balcony, and it is a mixed use project,
10:00:39 retail, but retail office on the ground floor and then
10:00:43 residential on the upper floor.
10:00:45 And it was, of course, a tax credit project.
10:00:49 Okay, next.
10:00:50 That's the interior of the Arlington before, and interior of
10:00:54 the Arlington today.
10:01:00 Then we took that strategy, this being our little private
10:01:05 group of folks, who said we would like to see something
10:01:10 And starting with Carl Johnson, who is a partner in Franklin
10:01:13 Street fine woodworking, he acquired a building on upper
10:01:20 north Franklin Street, and retained my office to prepare a
10:01:23 national register nomination.
10:01:24 We worked with the local property owners to gather support
10:01:27 for that, and he put his business in, and so he has a small
10:01:33 business owner for a project of, say, a few hundred thousand
10:01:35 dollars is getting a 50 to $60,000 tax credit, and he
10:01:39 specifically went after the national register designation so
10:01:43 that could help him do what he wanted to do.
10:01:46 The building on the next slide, this is the uppermost
10:01:52 Franklin Street today.
10:01:57 This was called Jackson's building before rehab.
10:02:01 This is Franklin Street, fine woodworking today.
10:02:05 This is the building next door, which will be a computer
10:02:10 consulting company, off-site technologies owned by Ron
10:02:17 And this building, it should be finished in about two or
10:02:20 three weeks.
10:02:20 And again another 20% tax credit project provided by virtue
10:02:26 of that area being in a national register district.
10:02:30 Next slide.
10:02:31 And in conclusion, redevelopment and revitalization to
10:02:35 adaptive use and historic preservation, the preservation of
10:02:38 historic resources.
10:02:40 It works.
10:02:41 And I would be happy to answer any questions later on.
10:02:44 Thank you.
10:02:44 >> Laurel Lockett.
10:02:57 Let's go back to the PowerPoint, please.
10:03:03 We talked about some of the programs for economic
10:03:07 redevelopment that are already in place.
10:03:09 And I want to take a couple of minutes to talk to you about
10:03:12 a program we have in place in Tampa which really requires
10:03:17 your active participation and provide you with some
10:03:20 additional opportunities to encourage both historic
10:03:25 preservation and economic redevelopment, and that is our
10:03:27 existing historic preservation program.
10:03:35 Whenever you talk about historic preservation there's always
10:03:38 the concern about taking issues, and the ability of the
10:03:42 transfer development rights that are lost as a result of the
10:03:44 historic preservation designation, that has been identified
10:03:49 by the U.S. Supreme Courted in Penn Central case and in Burt
10:03:54 Harris as a viable means of at least in part compensating an
10:03:58 owner for the loss of an ability to develop a approximate to
10:04:01 the -- a property to the maximum extent of permitted zoning
10:04:06 Over the six years that I was on the HPC that we were
10:04:11 working on revising the preservation ordinances which Mrs.
10:04:15 Cole will talk about, one of the initiatives that came out
10:04:17 of council was a desire to implement a TDR program for
10:04:21 historic preservation, and in 2009, City Council adopted
10:04:25 what I will call a starter program, which provides the
10:04:30 framework for you to expand and kind of put your mark on how
10:04:35 you would like to use the TDR program for other programs
10:04:43 outside of historic preservation.
10:04:48 The concept of TDR in historic preservation is, I think,
10:04:54 easier to visualize.
10:04:56 You basically have an existing structure, which you want to
10:04:59 protect, and then you have what's existing zoning would
10:05:04 permit in terms of development on that site.
10:05:06 And so obviously in most cases you are going to see the
10:05:09 existing zoning would allow a more robust density than what
10:05:16 currently exists.
10:05:19 The TDR program allows the owner of property who is willing
10:05:24 to commit to a permanent loss of excess density to sell or
10:05:28 convey those development rights.
10:05:33 The structure can be a landmark structure which is sort of
10:05:36 what's depicted here, or a contributing structure within a
10:05:40 district, or could be even another historic property that
10:05:43 would qualify that this is actually a landmark or in a
10:05:46 historic district.
10:05:50 City Council has to designate receiving areas, where that
10:05:53 excess density can be then be taken in, and basically is a
10:05:56 density bump over and above what the developer would
10:06:00 otherwise be entitled to under the code.
10:06:04 So the way the program works, the owner can sell or transfer
10:06:07 those excess development rights either directly to a
10:06:11 developer in that receiving area, or to a bank, which often
10:06:14 is like a nonprofit, who will take in the credits, and then
10:06:19 sort of hold them for resale.
10:06:21 And we have put together a certificate process which is
10:06:24 administered by the HC administrator, and in connection with
10:06:28 that, the owner of the historic property would then
10:06:31 basically kind of permanently down ozone their property by
10:06:34 recording a restricted covenant which restricts future
10:06:39 So the existing ordinance is sort of a starter ordinance
10:06:42 that we put in place, set up with a receiving district in
10:06:47 downtown, which was basically noncontroversial, and it's
10:06:53 there just basically to get the system sort of up and going.
10:07:03 But, really, a well constructed program can be a real
10:07:08 win-win because it can confiscate owners of historic
10:07:12 properties for loss of their development rights and
10:07:14 encourage development in other nonhistoric areas that the
10:07:18 council designates.
10:07:20 And subject to comp plan requirements, those receiving areas
10:07:23 can be sort of geographic, like right now you have got
10:07:30 A lot thought if the rail came to be, the rail corridor
10:07:34 would be a logical area for a receiving area, or they can
10:07:37 also be sort of schematic, and a lot of communities use them
10:07:42 when affordable or workforce housing was a problem, to
10:07:45 encourage that kind of development.
10:07:47 The city of West Palm had a very, very successful
10:07:51 award-winning program that it implemented in its downtown
10:07:55 that was credited with saving 14 very significant historic
10:08:01 The TDRs were allowed to be used in the downtown area for
10:08:05 hotel and office development.
10:08:07 It's the height of the market.
10:08:09 Those TDRs from historic properties were selling for $18 a
10:08:13 square foot.
10:08:14 That's huge.
10:08:16 And obviously that was a huge win for the historic
10:08:21 properties, the developers, and the historic fabric.
10:08:26 The key to making a TDR program work is creating those sort
10:08:31 of favorable market conditions, and really to make it work
10:08:36 for the developer in that receiving area, the ability to
10:08:43 purchase the TDR has to be the most cost effective solution.
10:08:47 It has to be quicker, cheaper, there's more certainty.
10:08:53 If they know that they can just go to council and basically
10:08:56 get it for free, there's no incentive.
10:08:59 So, you know, a TDR program only works when the receiving
10:09:03 areas are designated, and the developers know that they are
10:09:10 not going to get what they wanted without essentially taking
10:09:14 advantage of the TDRs.
10:09:18 In your packet, there is a memo that one of our summer
10:09:22 associates, for the city attorney's office, sort of
10:09:29 summarizes the characteristics of successful and
10:09:32 unsuccessful TDR programs, surveys TDRs nationally.
10:09:36 If you have a couple of minutes, I think it's worth
10:09:42 You know, obviously, the market conditions today may not be
10:09:44 really favorable for the use of this tool.
10:09:50 I think it's something -- we just want you to know it's
10:09:56 It's a skeleton.
10:09:57 It's in place.
10:09:58 And when you guys designate or determine that you have a
10:10:01 receiving area or some sort of conceptual schematic type of
10:10:07 development that you want to encourage, it's something that
10:10:09 you can do.
10:10:10 So we just want to let you know that it's there, and with
10:10:14 that I will turn it over to Ms. Cole who will talk about
10:10:17 some of the improvements that have been made in the
10:10:19 ordinance over the years.
10:10:20 >>JULIA COLE: Legal department.
10:10:27 We have been going through adopting a process of updating
10:10:32 and revising our code that generally relates to historic
10:10:35 preservation, and it has been relatively time consume
10:10:41 because there is so much interest and there's so many
10:10:43 different groups that have been involved.
10:10:44 But through the years, I want to say since I have been here
10:10:47 from 1995 -- I'm sorry, 2005 -- it feels like 1995 -- 2005
10:10:53 until today, we have gone through a fairly exhaustive
10:10:58 process of revising and updating our Historic Preservation
10:11:00 Commission process, as well as revising and updating our ARC
10:11:07 But to step back for those of you who aren't as familiar
10:11:10 with our processes, I will give you a brief update.
10:11:13 We have three different boards that handle historic
10:11:16 preservation within the City of Tampa.
10:11:18 The Historic Preservation Commission which is responsible
10:11:20 for designation of structures, creation of districts, and
10:11:25 the creation of design guidelines, as well as other generals
10:11:32 related to historic regulation.
10:11:35 And then once you have designated structures or you have
10:11:38 actual districts that have been created, land use and zoning
10:11:42 style regulations go to either the ARC, the Architectural
10:11:45 Review Commission, or the Barrio Latino commission process,
10:11:51 to review what we call certificates of appropriateness for
10:11:55 construction or updating through a building that has been
10:11:58 either designated or contributing, or to review rezonings
10:12:03 and make recommendations to you on rezoning, or
10:12:06 comprehensive plan amendments that are within district, or
10:12:11 are part of historic structures.
10:12:14 So you really do have two portions.
10:12:19 One is the HBC process, and then the regulatory development
10:12:24 process which is the ARC or the BLC process.
10:12:28 As far as the HPC is concerned, that is actually a board
10:12:32 that I sit with and that I represent, and bringing forth
10:12:38 things to this board.
10:12:39 We went through a very long process of updating that code,
10:12:42 and one of those is more significant issues that came up
10:12:46 during the process of updating that code was both
10:12:49 streamlining the process for designation of landmark
10:12:52 structures, and also creating an economic hardship process
10:12:56 so that if you had a property owner that believed that being
10:13:02 designated was going to create an economic hardship to them
10:13:07 it kind allowed to us determine whether or not this was
10:13:10 going to create an additional economic hardship to allow
10:13:13 City Council to have that information as part of their
10:13:16 decision, because City Council makes the ultimate decision
10:13:19 whether or not to designate a structure or create a historic
10:13:24 We also streamline, especially for structures, because a lot
10:13:29 of the structures that you see coming forward to you are
10:13:32 also going through the process of receiving tax credits or
10:13:35 low-income -- low-interest loans orthos types of things so
10:13:42 we want to have that process streamlined that we can get
10:13:44 them up there the designation process timely so they can
10:13:47 either get their tax incentives or loans, or plans that they
10:13:53 may have the opportunity to do, and if you have a very long
10:13:55 process, it included that you had to have a public hearing
10:13:59 in front of the Planning Commission for those who are really
10:14:02 seeking those types of economic incentives.
10:14:06 So we really didn't do a lot in terms of streamlining our
10:14:10 process or re-reviewing that process.
10:14:14 Some of you may remember that there were some conversations
10:14:16 that occurred, I want to say, about nine months ago about
10:14:18 looking at that process and making some decisions.
10:14:21 In fact, I will admit to being a little tardy bringing that
10:14:24 back to you, but that was for a very good reason, because
10:14:28 when the legislature changed the growth management laws,
10:14:31 they actually did, within the body of the new legislation
10:14:35 and community planning act, put in some additional
10:14:38 requirements for the designation of a district.
10:14:41 In fact, at one point they had some additional requirements
10:14:44 for the designation of a structure, but the city attorney's
10:14:48 office and our folks in historic preservation as well as our
10:14:53 folks with the Florida League of Cities successfully argued
10:14:56 that we should allow the structures to remain regulated the
10:15:00 way they are today because of the need to move through the
10:15:03 process in a much more quick fashion.
10:15:05 But as it relates to the creation of historic district, they
10:15:08 actually did put in that new legislation a requirement that
10:15:12 prior to designating a particular district, there actually
10:15:16 did have to be a comprehensive plan amendment to match that
10:15:22 and place that designation on the future land use map.
10:15:24 But it wasn't something that was a requirement in the past
10:15:26 and is actually going to really obligate myself and city
10:15:31 attorney's office to look at that, and bring forth some
10:15:34 amendments to the process so that we can run a comprehensive
10:15:37 plan amendment either prior to or at the same time as any
10:15:42 new creation of a district or the expansion of a district in
10:15:45 order to comply with state law.
10:15:49 I'm not anticipating that will necessarily take a lot more
10:15:51 time, but I think it is in line with some of the
10:15:54 conversations we had, I want to say, six, eight months ago
10:15:57 which was how do we create a process for designation of
10:16:02 districts that brings the neighborhood into the process in a
10:16:05 much earlier level?
10:16:06 And as you know from just seeing general he comprehensive
10:16:10 plan amendment takes comprehensive plan amendment moves
10:16:13 forward, there is additional opportunity to make some more
10:16:15 policy-oriented planning decisions.
10:16:17 And I think having us go through that comprehensive plan
10:16:20 amendment cycle actually lends into the process, allows the
10:16:24 opportunity for City Council to make some decisions much
10:16:27 earlier in the process.
10:16:29 The way your district process works today is the HPC staff
10:16:35 cannot bring forward an historic district for your
10:16:39 consideration and finalization until they have created
10:16:42 design guidelines.
10:16:43 And design guidelines can take a long period of time, a lot
10:16:47 of staff time, a lot of neighborhood time to create.
10:16:50 So I think it actually is, in a sense, positive, even though
10:16:55 I was a little shocked when I first saw it, and actually
10:16:58 made a lot of argument as to why I thought it was probably
10:17:01 not the best call.
10:17:02 But as I started to really think about it, I think it is an
10:17:05 opportunity early in the process to create, to make some
10:17:08 policy decisions about where districts should go, where
10:17:11 exemptions and districts should go, and then help to inform
10:17:16 the process later down the line.
10:17:18 It's my intent in January to bring back some amendments to
10:17:20 the HPC code as relates to the district to incorporate this
10:17:23 new state law.
10:17:27 As it relates to the ARC process, there was also amendments
10:17:31 made -- and several amendments over the last years made to
10:17:37 streamline the process as well.
10:17:38 I am not the attorney that represents them so I am not as
10:17:40 well versed in their day to day operations, but one of the
10:17:44 things than was done is when you were going through the ARC
10:17:48 process you had to have two hearings, one for design review
10:17:51 committee meeting, and the second for your actual public
10:17:54 hearing for either your certificate of appropriateness, and
10:17:58 the ARC had authority to grant variances to the general
10:18:03 zoning requirements, that in order to move forward you were
10:18:06 going to two public hearings.
10:18:07 We have now streamlined that in such a way that it's very
10:18:10 similar to our zoning process in which there's an internal
10:18:13 staff review that brings a recommendation to the ARC very
10:18:17 similar to how you handle in the your rezoning processes, as
10:18:21 well as streamlining the variance process, because that way
10:18:26 when you have a property owner either going forward with new
10:18:29 development, that means certificate of appropriateness or
10:18:32 more likely than not, you have I got an attempt to renovate
10:18:35 a structure that may be nonconforming to the zoning
10:18:39 district, but not nonconforming to what was there
10:18:43 It allows some great opportunities that this is a historic
10:18:48 pattern into consideration in the variance -- variousions
10:18:51 process versus going through a separate Variance Review
10:18:54 Board or a PD process, something akin to that.
10:18:58 I know there has been work in streamlining, updating that
10:19:01 the Barrio Latino process, there is a board, the commission
10:19:09 relating more specifically to the Ybor City area, and those
10:19:13 The other thing that I know that has been in the process of
10:19:16 happening, and from a staff perspective this has taken a
10:19:19 little longer but I think is something that's
10:19:21 extraordinarily important, is updating and streamlining our
10:19:25 design, what we used to call design guidelines, where we are
10:19:28 moving toward the concept of design standards.
10:19:31 So that better informs the decision-making process for the
10:19:36 ARC and the BLC when they are looking and making a decision
10:19:39 as to whether or not a particular renovation or a particular
10:19:42 new development meets those standards, and being more
10:19:46 specific, having some better guidelines to better inform and
10:19:50 make those decisions, easier to understand for the public as
10:19:54 to why we are making those decisions, easier for the public
10:19:57 to understand why we are requiring certain things, but also
10:19:59 easier, and if there is a request to review, City Council in
10:20:05 making their decision.
10:20:09 That is the basis of the process.
10:20:10 And I will be available for questions.
10:20:15 Thank you.
10:20:15 >> I think I have the best part here.
10:20:23 This is the end coming up.
10:20:29 What have you heard?
10:20:30 What has been the result of historic preservation in Tampa?
10:20:36 One, residential areas have been designated, and they have
10:20:41 become a show place for the rest of Florida and the nation
10:20:48 for historic preservation in residential areas.
10:20:54 Commercial buildings have been revitalized and reused all
10:20:59 You saw examples of that.
10:21:00 Historic preservation and the tax incentives allow for that
10:21:05 to happen.
10:21:09 Our iconic buildings are being saved.
10:21:12 Anyone remember Tampa Theatre a few years ago?
10:21:15 I do.
10:21:17 It's much, much better now, and it is an icon.
10:21:22 But we have challenges.
10:21:24 And those are the challenges that you as a council need to
10:21:28 put on your thinking hats and think about how we can solve
10:21:31 some of these problems.
10:21:33 I am not going to list them all.
10:21:35 The caret block.
10:21:37 The old federal courthouse.
10:21:41 The many, many other buildings that need to be saved, and we
10:21:47 need to take a creative, positive approach to that.
10:21:52 And so you have been sitting here wondering, well, what does
10:21:56 this mean to me?
10:21:58 I heard a lot of details and a lot of stuff, but what does
10:22:01 that really mean?
10:22:02 What do I as a council person really want to do out of this?
10:22:08 Well, I thought about it, and I had some ideas.
10:22:11 First, support the time-proven concepts of historic
10:22:15 preservation and our local ordinances and be concerned about
10:22:19 it, just like the questions that came up from Councilwoman
10:22:22 Montelione this morning.
10:22:26 Two, provide educational information to owners of historic
10:22:28 properties about all the financing programs, help us to
10:22:32 establish seminars to go out to the public and show them how
10:22:37 they can handle the financing of their projects.
10:22:41 Promote the utilization of historic public spaces.
10:22:45 Many of these historic buildings, especially the social
10:22:49 clubs and other buildings like that, have beautiful spaces,
10:22:53 but they are underutilized.
10:22:55 Council could make a big effort to see that, community
10:23:00 programs occur in all of those spaces, and that we utilize
10:23:03 these buildings that we are trying to save.
10:23:06 Problem moat the creation of multimedia presentations about
10:23:09 historic buildings and areas.
10:23:12 I don't know if you have seen them, but if you haven't,
10:23:15 please have an opportunity to look at them.
10:23:18 Hyde Park has done a video.
10:23:19 Seminole Heights has done a video.
10:23:21 What wonderful PR for historic preservation and for our
10:23:28 And let's get those out.
10:23:29 Let's not let them sit like they are sitting on many of our
10:23:34 You can help promote getting those out so that people can
10:23:37 see that historic preservation is vibrant.
10:23:42 It's not just some old building but it's really part of our
10:23:48 And this is a big one.
10:23:50 Help to promote historic tourism.
10:23:53 We in Tampa have not promoted historic tourism.
10:23:59 We promoted sports.
10:24:01 There's no doubt about that.
10:24:03 But we haven't really gotten to the media, we haven't gotten
10:24:09 out the word that Tampa is a place to come to when you want
10:24:13 to see historic structures.
10:24:15 So, please, see what you can do.
10:24:17 Use your creativity to increase, especially in these tight
10:24:23 economic times, because that's one of the things that's
10:24:25 going to continue to happen.
10:24:28 And 47% of those people are going to go look and they are
10:24:31 going to spend time in our hotels, and in our restaurants
10:24:34 and so forth.
10:24:35 So see if you can't work with the other agencies, or have
10:24:39 your staff do that, and promote historic tourism.
10:24:42 And then, finally, work together with the entire community
10:24:45 to enhance our historic structure and the image of Tampa.
10:24:52 We as a historic preservation committee stand ready to help
10:24:55 you in anything you wish to do.
10:24:58 We have been working with your staff for six years, in many
10:25:02 of the things that have occurred.
10:25:05 We have contributed to and we stand ready in the future to
10:25:09 help, also.
10:25:10 Thank you very much for taking all the time that you took
10:25:13 this morning to sit and listen, because it is important to
10:25:17 us, and I hope that it becomes important to you, also.
10:25:21 Thank you.
10:25:21 >>MARY MULHERN: Council, it's 10:25.
10:25:28 We have a 10:30 workshop scheduled.
10:25:31 So I guess my question, Councilwoman Montelione, can we go
10:25:39 till is?
10:25:41 Or do you want to try to wrap this up quickly before your
10:25:48 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Well, there are people from outside the
10:25:51 city who have come to speak at the next workshop.
10:25:53 So I don't want to hold it up too much.
10:25:57 But perhaps we can go another 15 minutes.
10:25:58 >>MARY MULHERN: Okay.
10:26:04 So 10:45.
10:26:06 >>MARTIN SHELBY: You might want to inquire how many people
10:26:08 from the public intend to speak.
10:26:09 Because we should allow time.
10:26:11 >>MARY MULHERN: We have to have allow time for them, too.
10:26:13 I guess, council, let's just keep our questions to the
10:26:16 minimum, and realize that we have access to all of these
10:26:22 people for our questions at a later date.
10:26:24 I think we got a lot of information.
10:26:27 Councilwoman Capin.
10:26:29 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I'll start out.
10:26:31 Thank you very much for taking up your valuable time to come
10:26:34 here and inform us, the experts that you are, and this is
10:26:40 very valuable information.
10:26:42 I'm very happy to see this economic impact historic
10:26:45 preservation in Florida booklet.
10:26:47 As you may or may not know, at 1:30, we have cultural access
10:26:52 as economic engine, and this falls right into that.
10:26:57 It is a cultural asset.
10:27:02 And historic heritage tourism is -- I have some figures that
10:27:07 will probably come up at 1:30, the amount of money that
10:27:12 comes into an area, because of that.
10:27:14 I also wanted to say real quickly on Hyde Park, and in the
10:27:25 workshop that's come up at, 1:30, there isn't a preservation
10:27:31 on historic preservation because of what was here this
10:27:33 morning mainly.
10:27:35 So this is terrific.
10:27:38 As far as Hyde Park, one of the things that I said on the
10:27:42 dais, I'm old enough to remember when Hyde Park was quickly
10:27:47 becoming a slum.
10:27:49 And because of public and private investment, it is what it
10:27:53 is today.
10:27:54 And because of what it is today, I'm also Davis Island,
10:27:59 which at the time you couldn't sell a property because of
10:28:02 the bay pollution, stench, and so on.
10:28:07 But because those two were revitalized, downtown is what it
10:28:13 is today.
10:28:16 Without those neighborhoods, we would not be here today, and
10:28:21 in the downtown that we are sitting in.
10:28:23 So thank you very much.
10:28:24 And I really appreciate your time.
10:28:27 >>MARY MULHERN: Councilwoman Montelione and then Councilman
10:28:35 >>LISA MONTELIONE: What I am going to do is I am just going
10:28:38 to lift off my questions, and rather than having people
10:28:41 respond to them individually because that would take some
10:28:44 But if anyone hears a question that speaks to them
10:28:48 individually, please feel free to contact my office and
10:28:53 discuss that topic with me, or submit an e-mail, and then we
10:28:57 can continue the conversation.
10:29:00 But some of the questions I have -- and thank you, Ms. Cole,
10:29:03 for updating us on the processes -- but I want to find out
10:29:10 honor can bring the process forward for designating a
10:29:14 historic district, and, you know, what that process is like.
10:29:19 I understand the difference, changes have been made, and the
10:29:23 process itself in the comp plan amendment and all of that,
10:29:26 and it does give the neighborhood time to public comment on
10:29:29 those processes.
10:29:30 But how does it get started before we even expend any energy
10:29:34 and time in working that application? And the consideration
10:29:39 of individual owners' property rights.
10:29:41 Have been knows I'm a big fan of historic preservation, have
10:29:45 been for many, many years.
10:29:47 Stephani can tell you that.
10:29:49 And in balancing property rates along with historic
10:29:53 preservation and economic viability of projects, because for
10:29:56 me, the way that you really get a lot of participation is
10:30:04 they have to be economically viable for the owner.
10:30:07 Otherwise, they'll just sit there and languish because
10:30:09 there's no impetus for them to go ahead and make that
10:30:14 property workable for them in a dollars and cents way.
10:30:19 I was asked during the campaign on League of Women Voters, I
10:30:22 think we all were, about demolition by neglect, and how we
10:30:27 prevent demolition by neglect.
10:30:28 So one project comes to mind, one building is the harbor
10:30:32 club in Sulphur Springs, and Ms. Ferrell knows I have spoken
10:30:39 to her and Annie Hart about what we can do in preventing
10:30:43 that building from just turning into dust, because it has a
10:30:46 lot of significance.
10:30:48 Let's see, the criteria for review, I had brought up
10:30:52 initially earlier, and it really does concern me that there
10:30:57 are certain neighborhoods where buildings aren't really
10:31:00 looked at as valuable just because maybe they are not in an
10:31:05 area where there's an abundance of those buildings, and the
10:31:09 criteria, is it a contributing structure?
10:31:14 Well, if it's isolate add loan and not surrounded by other
10:31:18 areas of historic structures, then, well, maybe it's not.
10:31:21 So I really want to look at that process and have a way of
10:31:26 looking at those when we see so many of our buildings
10:31:31 disappearing in areas.
10:31:34 And the issue of energy efficiency was brought up.
10:31:38 That's my big banner is energy efficiency and we are going
10:31:44 to talk about that in the next workshop.
10:31:46 I do believe that historic structures are as sustainable as
10:31:49 it gets because you are not taking them down, you are not
10:31:51 buying new materials, you are preserving what's there, and
10:31:56 we don't build them today the way they did in years past,
10:31:59 but there are energy efficiency upgrades, and with
10:32:01 technology improving, I believe there are times when, if
10:32:05 it's not changing the character of the building, that
10:32:09 sometimes there are energy efficient measures that need to
10:32:12 be taken than can make that building even better than it was
10:32:16 when it was originally built.
10:32:17 And sometimes the materials won't necessarily be historic
10:32:20 because it's new technology, but it does make a difference
10:32:24 in a project, it will bring costs down for the owners of
10:32:27 that project in the long-term.
10:32:30 Since I do sit on the economic competitive committee,
10:32:34 changes to chapter 27 are going to be talked about
10:32:36 throughout this process.
10:32:37 I want to make sure that the provisions we are referring to
10:32:41 historic preservation are examined, and if there's any
10:32:44 changes in those codes that we take a look at those, and
10:32:47 what they mean, and that we make them even better than they
10:32:50 are now.
10:32:51 So anyone who has any suggestions as we move through the
10:32:55 process of economic competitiveness committee, I want to
10:32:58 hear about how they affect the historic preservation items
10:33:04 that are in that code.
10:33:07 And historic tourism, rest assured those who are concerned
10:33:11 about it, there are individuals as we speak getting that
10:33:14 ball rolling.
10:33:15 I know USF is involved, and a few good friend of mine are
10:33:18 involved in moving that down the track, so to speak.
10:33:22 So historic tourism is -- it will come before us, and will
10:33:28 gain traction coming up in the next few months, I hope.
10:33:31 So those are all the comments I had and questions I had.
10:33:35 So we can continue this conversation at maybe another date.
10:33:39 >>MARY MULHERN: Councilman Cohen, and then Councilman
10:33:43 >>HARRY COHEN: Thank you.
10:33:45 I thought this was a fascinating presentation this morning.
10:33:48 And as we were listening, I was struck by the degree to
10:33:53 which historic preservation and buildings really go to the
10:33:58 core of the character of our community.
10:34:01 You know, we sit up here when we make land use decisions and
10:34:04 we talk about whether or not that utilities ought to be
10:34:08 buried or whether signs ought to be large and small, and we
10:34:11 talk a lot about saving trees, but nothing, nothing affects
10:34:19 what this community looks like more than the preservation
10:34:21 and enhancement and restoration of historic buildings.
10:34:25 They are the thing that gives the community character.
10:34:28 I say that for two reasons.
10:34:32 First, because during the campaign, I had the opportunity,
10:34:36 we all did, to go to a lot of places we hadn't been before,
10:34:39 and for me, the most extraordinary thing about that was
10:34:45 seeing some of the homes that have been restored in some of
10:34:48 the historic neighborhoods.
10:34:49 You really can't get a full sense of it unless you just
10:34:55 walked into some of these places and seen the love and care
10:34:58 that people have put into it.
10:35:00 And that translates into pride in neighborhood, and it
10:35:04 translates into higher property values in neighborhoods.
10:35:07 So it's all very important.
10:35:10 I wanted, though, to bring us back, when we talked about the
10:35:14 character of the community, to this building that we are
10:35:15 sitting in.
10:35:17 In 2015, just three years from now, this building is going
10:35:21 to have its centennial anniversary.
10:35:24 It is the only building of the government infrastructure of
10:35:29 the city downtown that has this kind of historic character.
10:35:34 The old Hillsborough County courthouse is long gone.
10:35:38 You see pictures of it and it makes your heartache to
10:35:41 realize that this was a building of that beauty and that
10:35:44 significance sitting in downtown Tampa that is no longer
10:35:48 I would suggest, though, that it is our responsibility as a
10:35:51 council to be definitely put some attention and love and
10:35:55 support into this building over the next three years or so.
10:35:59 I understand that underneath some of these carpets are old
10:36:03 mosaic tile floors that have historic emblems in them.
10:36:10 I think that if we peel back the layers of the place where
10:36:13 we actually work every day, we are going to find that we
10:36:16 have a gem right here that we are sitting on top of.
10:36:21 So last night we were all asked what our priorities were for
10:36:24 the next couple years, and I want everyone in the audience
10:36:28 to know that one of mine is going to be to see to it that we
10:36:31 take care of this building, and that we make it a crown
10:36:35 jewel of the city for generations to come to be proud of.
10:36:37 >>MARY MULHERN: Councilman Suarez.
10:36:41 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you.
10:36:42 I really enjoyed this presentation.
10:36:45 I mean, the history of Tampa is something that I know all of
10:36:49 us on the council take very seriously.
10:36:52 I do have a question, but this is more of, you know, really
10:36:57 how transfer development rights work.
10:37:01 I don't know if Ms. Cole or -- oh, there you are, okay.
10:37:06 And maybe you can answer a couple of questions about it.
10:37:09 The way that you have it set here, do we have anything in
10:37:12 place currently?
10:37:18 And, if so, what buildings have we actually had that kind of
10:37:23 transfer happen with?
10:37:25 >>JULIA COLE: Legal department.
10:37:26 We do have a provision in place.
10:37:28 It is somewhat limited to the downtown area.
10:37:31 And we did create the underlying process for that, and if
10:37:36 somebody did want to transfer development rights, additional
10:37:39 height is really what it was geared toward.
10:37:41 To date I am not aware that anybody has utilized the
10:37:44 transfer development rights process.
10:37:47 Keeping in mind, it went into play, I want to say, 2008,
10:37:51 2009, right at the end of the downturn.
10:37:55 So I would like to think that after we spend a lot of time
10:37:59 on it that it hasn't been utilized to date.
10:38:03 At some point in the future, I hope that to see it utilized
10:38:07 because I think it is a really good process that we set up,
10:38:10 and certainly ripe for potential expansion in the future.
10:38:13 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Out of curiosity, can we expand this to do
10:38:17 the reverse of the development rights, which is if there is
10:38:20 a historic building in another part of the city that we
10:38:28 trade something that may not be historically significant
10:38:32 with them?
10:38:34 As an example, if, let's say, on North Franklin street
10:38:38 someone owns, I don't know, several buildings that are
10:38:41 historically significant and we would like to see that
10:38:43 developed, they go, well, now what?
10:38:45 I am not going to put the money into it but I would like to
10:38:48 see this particular place in downtown Tampa, I would like to
10:38:51 get rates to that from someone, or from the city.
10:38:56 Could we do that?
10:38:58 >>JULIA COLE: The concept of transferring developments from
10:39:00 one parcel to the other for whatever the purpose is, is
10:39:04 something almost as a commodity.
10:39:06 It can be done.
10:39:07 It's not just done for historic preservation.
10:39:10 It's done for a variety of reasons.
10:39:13 We can look into those issues.
10:39:14 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I know that the federal government used to
10:39:17 strayed environmentally sensitive lands in different places
10:39:19 for that specific purpose, which is if I had a piece of land
10:39:23 in the Everglades, I would trade that for something that was
10:39:26 much more economically viable, let's say, in the city of
10:39:29 Miami or Tampa or someplace else.
10:39:31 So I just wanted to know if it works in the reverse for
10:39:34 where we are at.
10:39:35 Because there's a lot of -- I would like for us to look at
10:39:39 what our city properties are that are undeveloped, that we
10:39:43 may be able to use to actually spur development here in
10:39:47 downtown Tampa, or in other parts of the city, and be able
10:39:50 to preserve, you know, some historic buildings at the same
10:39:54 And that may be something that we can sit down and discuss
10:39:57 and maybe even talk with some developers that are out there
10:40:00 and look at some of those parcels that we might be able to
10:40:02 help them go in and develop, because, as you know, and I
10:40:07 think all of us know, a lot of developers, they'll look at
10:40:10 it and they are going to look at it in a cold-eyed way and
10:40:14 say, how much can I actually use this building for?
10:40:17 And the example you gave in West Palm when it was $18 per
10:40:21 square foot that they were able to trade, if there's
10:40:23 something like that, that we can use to spur development,
10:40:27 and also preserve history, I would like to see if we can
10:40:32 So I appreciate it.
10:40:33 Thank you.
10:40:35 Thank you.
10:40:35 >>MARY MULHERN: Great idea.
10:40:39 I'm going to try to be brief.
10:40:41 I have to say first of all that this is a great
10:40:45 presentation, and I know that everybody has been working on
10:40:50 the two specific things we talked about, the demolition by
10:40:54 neglect, and the transfer of development rights for four
10:41:00 years, and I have to ask, where is Linda?
10:41:06 I guess she's out of town, Linda Saul-Sena.
10:41:09 But when I started on council, Linda, one of the first
10:41:15 presentations we had was from Dennis, because Linda had
10:41:20 asked to see what was happening with the historic buildings
10:41:23 in downtown.
10:41:24 And it was gut wrenching.
10:41:28 It was just sickening to see how the historic buildings were
10:41:32 detained downtown.
10:41:34 And that resulted in us finally adopting this ordinance for
10:41:39 demolition by neglect.
10:41:41 So I think we need to follow up on that at a later date.
10:41:46 I think I'll propose a staff report later at another
10:41:50 No motions today.
10:41:51 But because we need to see if it's working.
10:41:56 Because those four years, we saw a lot of things crumble.
10:41:59 And, of course, all the things that we saw in the historic
10:42:04 slides in the beginning of the presentation, a lot of things
10:42:06 that were gone.
10:42:08 So I want to thank everyone for all the work you have done
10:42:12 for all these years.
10:42:13 And then I have some questions.
10:42:15 I'm trying to think of who can answer all of them.
10:42:17 Maybe Gus.
10:42:18 Gus and Dennis.
10:42:19 So, Gus, could you come up and let me ask you a few
10:42:23 Let me start -- let me start with Dennis, actually would be
10:42:35 a question for Julia, but I know you can answer it.
10:42:39 We have the Historic Preservation Commission, the ARC, and
10:42:42 the Barrio Latino commission.
10:42:45 Julia has said that she's the attorney for the HBC.
10:42:50 Do we have different attorneys assigned to the other two?
10:42:54 >>DENNIS FERNANDEZ: Historic preservation manager.
10:42:56 Rebecca Kert serves as the assigned attorney to the ARC and
10:43:02 >>MARY MULHERN: So I think as we look at streamlining our
10:43:06 processes, that might be a good idea to -- although I know
10:43:12 they work really closely together and they are both great
10:43:14 attorneys, it might be a good idea to have one person and
10:43:19 maybe look at combining those.
10:43:20 I don't know if anyone is talking about that, but combining
10:43:23 the historic preservation committee.
10:43:25 So we have more consistency.
10:43:27 And giving you a better department, and bigger department.
10:43:31 I'm not saying cut back, I'm saying consolidate.
10:43:35 So that was one question.
10:43:41 Gus, when you talked about the historic tourism in the
10:43:44 videos, I don't know if I have those videos.
10:43:48 So Seminole Heights and Hyde Park, I know the Hyde Park
10:43:52 people are going to be mad at me, probably Seminole Heights.
10:43:54 I probably got them at one point.
10:43:56 But if you send all of us those videos again so we can watch
10:44:00 And also, you are probably already doing this.
10:44:03 But all of the realtors that service those neighborhoods, if
10:44:09 they had those videos, and also, you know, it's funny
10:44:13 because when you see these videos from Tampa Bay and
10:44:16 company, and the partnership, and the chamber about Tampa,
10:44:21 you might see a little bit, but maybe if you could get pp --
10:44:26 try to work with them to incorporate more of our historic
10:44:31 imagery into their presentations, because it's not a major
10:44:38 Maybe you could help them, maybe with some better
10:44:41 production, too.
10:44:41 >> We'll be happy to see that you get copies of those
10:44:46 I'm sure that each of the districts will be happy to provide
10:44:49 you with copies.
10:44:50 And one of the things I might note is that these are not
10:44:55 exactly slick Hollywood productions, but they are real life.
10:45:01 They are you and me.
10:45:03 They are what our background was.
10:45:05 And I think that strikes a chord with people more than the
10:45:09 same old thing that you see on TV.
10:45:10 >> I agree.
10:45:12 And do the realtors all have them?
10:45:16 I think that would be a really good thing for those two
10:45:19 districts to do, and anyone else who has a video, get them
10:45:22 to all of your realtors.
10:45:23 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I'm just concerned.
10:45:32 Point of order.
10:45:33 It's almost ten --
10:45:36 >> Councilwoman, I will be done in a moment.
10:45:41 >> Well, we still have public comment.
10:45:45 Should I tell them it will probably be eleven?
10:45:48 >>MARY MULHERN: Yes, it probably will be.
10:45:49 One thing, we actually passed, I think, a few weeks ago, we
10:45:54 got some stimulus money that was supposed to go for the
10:45:56 high-speed rail station downtown.
10:45:59 And we are attempting to keep that grant funding.
10:46:03 So council passed an appropriation for that to go towards
10:46:09 the downtown plan.
10:46:11 And I have talked to the mayor about it.
10:46:14 And he has this idea to do a big downtown plan which is
10:46:21 And I just want to make sure that the historic preservation
10:46:24 people are involved in that, because it could help with the
10:46:27 transfer of development rights ideas, and just with
10:46:32 And I think my frustration over four years of really trying
10:46:37 to figure out how we could help with historic preservation,
10:46:40 it was hard, but with your help, we did do a few things.
10:46:44 But the frustration that I felt was that this city, the
10:46:50 mayor, and I think council had a commitment, and I have got
10:46:54 to mention Mary Alvarez, too, who was very committed to it,
10:46:59 and Linda Saul-Sena, but it wasn't part of the priority of
10:47:04 the last administration.
10:47:06 And it has to be part of that.
10:47:09 You know, if we are changing our economic DNA, I think we
10:47:12 ought to save that little gene in there that's for what is
10:47:18 the basis of who we are, which is our architecture.
10:47:24 And that is the record of our history.
10:47:27 So we need a commitment from this administration, from this
10:47:32 mayor, that he cares about that and that he's going to work
10:47:35 on that, and I think council has all indicated that we are
10:47:40 all committed to it.
10:47:41 >> I might point out that they did a meet and greet with all
10:47:48 the mayoral candidates, and one of points that we made with
10:47:52 each of them was that historic preservation is not isolated,
10:47:57 that it be across the board, that it fits into every area,
10:48:01 and especially into economic development.
10:48:03 And you can't be doing economic development without looking
10:48:06 at historic preservation as part of that.
10:48:10 And each of them agreed.
10:48:11 >> Right.
10:48:12 And our land use and zoning and legal, everybody needs to
10:48:17 share in that.
10:48:18 So that's why I'm saying, it's better to come from the top
10:48:22 So that's my other question that I forgot to ask.
10:48:25 The economic development committee that the task force that
10:48:31 the mayor put together, is there a historic preservation
10:48:35 representative on that?
10:48:40 I don't know.
10:48:45 There's one neighborhood rep.
10:48:47 Okay, that was just a question.
10:48:49 So we know then it's going to be our responsibility to work
10:48:52 on that part as any code changes come to us.
10:48:56 So thank you.
10:48:58 Sorry we all went so long.
10:49:00 Anyone from the public who wishes to speak?
10:49:03 On this topic?
10:49:04 >> Becky Clark, 5139 South Nicholas Street.
10:49:13 I currently serve as the president of Tampa Preservation,
10:49:16 30-year-old nonprofit organization, sort of bonded by the
10:49:23 saving of Tampa Theatre, bonded by establishing the
10:49:28 preservation ordinances that helped start the turn-around
10:49:32 for Hyde Park that Councilwoman Capin referred to.
10:49:37 I do remember when it was Blockbuster.
10:49:44 So there's been a lot of good that's gone on.
10:49:48 I think one term that is passed around so much in the
10:49:51 current technology is the green environment.
10:49:55 And I want to remind you that preservation is the ultimate
10:50:00 It's the ultimate recycling and reuse of our valuable
10:50:07 Also, like several of your comments before the city-owned
10:50:11 I think under Dennis' leadership we have come a long way in
10:50:15 ensuring that the city does a little better job of being a
10:50:20 care carry for their historic buildings that they own, but I
10:50:24 think that's something that you all can ensure, also.
10:50:27 Thank you for what you do, and thanks for listening to us.
10:50:29 >> Did you put your name on the record?
10:50:33 >> I did.
10:50:33 >> Thanks.
10:50:34 >> I'm Ed Tillou, Sulphur Springs where Harbor Club is.
10:50:45 I obviously have an interest in architecture and design.
10:50:50 My urban planning degree was from Stanford's department of
10:50:55 architecture and urban design, and there was a good
10:50:58 representation of that today, but a couple of things that I
10:51:02 think got slighted.
10:51:04 I would have liked to have spoken to item 4 on energy since
10:51:07 I am an energy engineer, but I have a class at 10:30.
10:51:14 And the important thing where energy interacts with this
10:51:18 whole matter of historic preservation, one of the speakers
10:51:21 alluded to that it's a counter force to urban sprawl.
10:51:25 There's another dimension, too, which is acid rain.
10:51:28 Acid rain, like Al Gore has heard is less but still out
10:51:34 there, and still out there promoting historic structures.
10:51:38 So the processes, generally acid rain, even though the coal
10:51:44 is cleaned up, even though the cars made more efficient, not
10:51:47 that people are buying hybrids, not that purchasing is
10:51:51 buying hybrids, but acid rain has got to be dealt with to
10:51:55 ensure better historic preservation.
10:51:58 What I think is being shortchanged in this process as it
10:52:01 moves more and more toward real estate law and real estate
10:52:05 finance, is history.
10:52:07 History itself, historic preservation starts with history.
10:52:10 Now, Tampa actually doesn't have a lot of history, doesn't
10:52:14 have a revolutionary war, like the last one in Baltimore
10:52:22 which down the drain, built the brewery in New York, but
10:52:29 what you heard, it's a late 1800s history being well dealt
10:52:34 with, but there was a little bit of history before that.
10:52:37 Now people ride the buses to get to talk to people once in a
10:52:40 while as a tourist, and they said, where did Tampa come
10:52:43 Came from Fort Brooke.
10:52:45 Where is Fort Brooke?
10:52:47 Oh, Fort Brooke parking garage.
10:52:49 Hyde Park.
10:52:50 Oh, we are saving all these wonderful buildings that are 50
10:52:53 and 100 years old in Hyde Park.
10:52:55 Before Hyde Park was Hyde Park, it was Spanish town, the
10:53:00 core of what became Tampa.
10:53:01 A lot of people don't know this because nobody reads Gary's
10:53:06 Mormina's very good works on this, and the people on the
10:53:08 council really should, because then we can start seeing more
10:53:10 history represented in historic preservation.
10:53:14 >>MARY MULHERN: Thank you.
10:53:18 And I have read Gary Mormina.
10:53:23 Probably most of us have.
10:53:24 >> Vivian Salaga, preservation architect, 502 East Ross
10:53:38 Avenue, Tampa Heights.
10:53:40 It has been brought up by historic landmarking that there is
10:53:43 additional cost involved in projects of this nature that one
10:53:46 might not encounter in new construction.
10:53:49 While statistical data shows this is not necessarily true,
10:53:55 it yet remains a common belief.
10:53:57 Many opponents have been known to say that preservationists
10:54:02 need to put their money where their mouth is by contributing
10:54:04 towards preserving other peoples property and making a
10:54:08 commitment to preservation where it really counts.
10:54:14 Beyond the obvious commitment of endless hours of
10:54:17 professional and community service times that these
10:54:19 preservationists bring to the Tampa community at large,
10:54:24 their tireless hours of lobbying efforts to gain enactment
10:54:27 of tax laws, statutes, ordinances, the monetary advantage to
10:54:34 historic properties and property owners is simply a matter
10:54:37 of fact.
10:54:40 In reality, as taxpayers in Tampa and Hillsborough County,
10:54:44 these preservationists along with every other American
10:54:48 paying taxes contribute real dollars every year to these
10:54:54 Some portion of every single tax dollar in this country, in
10:54:59 this city, in this county, at every government level, is
10:55:04 available to offset the cost of historic preservation to
10:55:08 developers and owners who choose to take advantage of these
10:55:16 wonderful and generous programs.
10:55:18 It is unfortunate sometimes that advice to owners and
10:55:22 negative community activism to rail against existing law and
10:55:26 policies and public welfare results in their refusing to
10:55:33 take advantage of this financial support either wittingly or
10:55:38 unwittingly, even as they are paying for it themselves.
10:55:43 So we are all contributing, and will contribute in real
10:55:47 dollars, advice to rail against preservation, renders
10:55:52 citizens in the awkward position of not supporting their
10:55:57 community's cultural heritage.
10:56:00 Thank you.
10:56:00 >>MARY MULHERN: Thank you. If anyone wishes to speak, you
10:56:12 need to be standing up because we are going to have to be
10:56:16 We are going to go a little over 11:00, it looks like.
10:56:20 >> I'm Jack Wise, 613 south Delaware Avenue.
10:56:27 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Let me interrupt you real quickly. We do
10:56:28 keep our campaign promises. (Laughter)
10:56:28 >> Chalk Walk.
10:56:36 I want to challenge you all, because I talked to everybody
10:56:37 except Mr. Reddick about creating jobs on this council.
10:56:40 There's an industry in this city that doesn't exist now,
10:56:42 historic areas, and exist in all other historic areas.
10:56:45 We are not employing people, we are not providing goods and
10:56:48 services, and we haven't even looked at it from the
10:56:52 You can't go to a bed and breakfast in Tampa.
10:56:55 And that's because of rules that we have put in place.
10:56:58 Now, these are things that people have a sense of community
10:57:00 when they visit, when these doctors come here, they might
10:57:03 not want to stay in our hotel.
10:57:05 When I go places, I hate it.
10:57:07 When I traveled, when I was working, I will never stay in
10:57:10 another one if I have to.
10:57:11 We have not that opportunity in this city.
10:57:13 Please take a look at that.
10:57:14 The other thing from historic preservation, these insurance
10:57:18 companies are killing us out here.
10:57:20 They are making us have requirements on these historic
10:57:23 houses that are not right.
10:57:24 We have a small lobby, very few of us.
10:57:28 We need to take a look at what these insurance companies are
10:57:31 doing to us.
10:57:32 Whether you know it or not, when they toenail these things
10:57:35 by hand they put those nails all kind of ways.
10:57:37 Today they shoot them with guns.
10:57:39 That's why they need the clips.
10:57:40 We don't need the clips in older houses.
10:57:42 They toenailed all that stuff in.
10:57:45 That's why the roofs stay on there.
10:57:46 Thank you all.
10:57:47 >>MARY MULHERN: Thank you.
10:57:54 I'm sorry, I need to let everyone know, if you are not
10:57:57 standing up now, you are not going to have an opportunity to
10:57:59 Thank you.
10:58:00 >> John Jones, I'm a resident of Hyde Park local historic
10:58:05 And just two things.
10:58:07 Or three things.
10:58:08 One, you all get a copy of our video.
10:58:13 We'll go back and take care of that today.
10:58:15 Number two, the neighborhood association that I'm with had a
10:58:23 study con during thed for us by the University of Florida
10:58:30 for the whole historic local district for Hyde Park, and we
10:58:35 have met with Santiago Corrada, the mayor's office, and has
10:58:40 offered to work with them and provide that to the city as
10:58:44 part of the study that they are going to do.
10:58:47 So we will work with you on that.
10:58:49 And then the last thing talking about taxes and the economic
10:58:59 What I brought in here in 1983, the values like Councilwoman
10:59:05 Capin said, we are very low in our neighborhood.
10:59:09 Today, as of 2010, last year, the median price of a home in
10:59:18 Hyde Park was $511,000. It's about 500 percent higher than
10:59:23 when I moved in.
10:59:26 So that $400,000 median price is what we had added over that
10:59:33 period of time which is much higher than the value of
10:59:36 inflation, and the taxes that are being paid on that,
10:59:41 hopefully we will continue to be promoting things within the
10:59:43 city as well as in our neighborhoods.
10:59:45 Thank you.
10:59:46 >>MARY MULHERN: Thank you.
10:59:47 I would like to ask if there's any way -- I know you have
10:59:51 three minutes but if there's any way that you can say it
10:59:53 more quickly or if it's already been said, just so we can do
10:59:57 our next.
10:59:57 >> Absolutely.
10:59:58 My name is Alexander Smith.
11:00:01 I was a resident of Hyde Park historic neighborhood.
11:00:05 While I went to USF.
11:00:06 I graduated from the school of architecture and community
11:00:09 design so I am now an associate member with the local AI of
11:00:13 Tampa Bay and I'm here just to talk in favor of the
11:00:15 historical preservation.
11:00:17 You know, it adds diversity and culture into a neighborhood,
11:00:21 and also more professionally provides with us a unique
11:00:24 opportunity or challenge when dealing with design to use our
11:00:29 skill as problem solvers, as architects, to either restore
11:00:33 to the an original or to rehabilitate it for new use.
11:00:37 But more on a personal level, my parents own a historic home
11:00:43 in old northeast St. Petersburg just across the bay.
11:00:46 They bought that in 2002 when I was at USF in pre-med,
11:00:50 actually, and started doing a restoration of that building
11:00:53 which inspired me to take a class in architecture, which
11:00:56 inspired me to become an architect.
11:00:58 So it's really on a personal level, historic preservation is
11:01:01 what pushed me to become a professional in architecture.
11:01:05 And I was fortunate enough to live in Hyde Park as a
11:01:09 student, so I can witness what a historic neighborhood
11:01:13 brings to a community as well as I took Stephani Ferrell's
11:01:18 historic preservation class at USF to learn about the
11:01:21 incentives that it provides for rehabilitation.
11:01:23 So I hope that historic preservation can really provide a
11:01:28 tactile history for students or people of my generation so
11:01:32 that we can actually touch and feel history, and then
11:01:35 hopefully inspire others to preserve the history as well.
11:01:39 So thank you.
11:01:39 >>MARY MULHERN: Thank you.
11:01:41 >> Jennifer Wellman, 2426 Stuart street in Palmetto Beach.
11:01:47 I serve as the neighborhood president.
11:01:49 We actually didn't hear about Palmetto Beach this morning,
11:01:53 but this neighborhood was established in 1867, before Hyde
11:01:57 Park actually.
11:01:59 It's located south of Adamo Drive on east 5th, on MacKay
11:02:07 DeSoto Park.
11:02:10 As one of the original Tampa neighborhoods that is often
11:02:12 overlooked, and as Councilwoman Mulhern point pointed out,
11:02:17 the downtown planning boundary, Palmetto Beach was actually
11:02:20 excluded from that boundary even though it's located just
11:02:23 south of Ybor City.
11:02:24 To give you a little perspective on what we have to deal
11:02:29 with, with being overlooked.
11:02:31 I own a 1926 bungalow right on the old streetcar line.
11:02:37 We have the sidewalks.
11:02:41 It's a beautiful place.
11:02:43 We have three historic cigar factories, too, which are being
11:02:48 utilized by local businesses.
11:02:50 The one is vacant and dilapidated.
11:02:53 Linda Saul-Sena actually spoke of it years ago when we first
11:02:57 noticed that it was having problems and it's still vacant,
11:03:03 and it's a huge problem.
11:03:05 There's been a lack of investment in Palmetto Beach.
11:03:08 You have heard about the historic district.
11:03:10 Palmetto Beach has yet to be designated as a national
11:03:13 register, historic district, which is the first step. And
11:03:20 the last two major transportation projects that came to our
11:03:22 neighborhood, probably would have turned out a lot
11:03:25 That being the U.S. 41, 20th street widening and I-4
11:03:29 connector, federal projects are required to minimize adverse
11:03:35 impact to our neighborhoods and our historic assets.
11:03:44 Actually, with the I-4 connector project, the Florida
11:03:47 Department of Transportation offered to help us initiate
11:03:50 this national historic district application.
11:03:54 We are very appreciative that they helped put together the
11:03:57 application, actually submitted in April of 2009.
11:03:59 It got stalled.
11:04:01 We are still waiting to be designated.
11:04:03 And that slide you saw about how to help, I would like to
11:04:08 add a bullet to that slide. If there's anything you can do
11:04:10 to help move that application move forward and help Palmetto
11:04:12 Beach be designated as a national historic district, we
11:04:16 would appreciate it.
11:04:19 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Please see me.
11:04:20 I think something has just come up from the national
11:04:23 endowment of the arts could help in something in Palmetto
11:04:26 >> Great.
11:04:30 Thank you.
11:04:30 >>MARY MULHERN: I just want to know where your application
11:04:38 Where is it stalled?
11:04:39 >> The historic officer requires additional information and
11:04:45 it needs to be provided.
11:04:46 >> So it's stalled in the city?
11:04:50 >> No.
11:04:50 I believe it's through the state applicant, and the
11:04:54 consultant who is preparing the application on behalf of
11:04:58 D.O.T. has generously offered to help us.
11:05:01 I appreciate their efforts, but I think on the local end
11:05:04 that it needs to just be provided more information.
11:05:07 >>MARY MULHERN: Okay, thanks.
11:05:12 >> John Tennison, 5102 north Central Avenue.
11:05:16 I'm an architect in Tampa, that specializes in historic
11:05:19 preservation, and we work throughout the southeast.
11:05:22 One of the things that we deal with all of the time is
11:05:25 determination of property values.
11:05:29 In our lexicon, those property values basically fall into
11:05:32 two categories.
11:05:33 One is the economic value which is reasonably easy to
11:05:37 The other is community value.
11:05:39 In a word, that's what you have been hearing about this
11:05:45 What is the community value of these districts and of these
11:05:49 individual buildings?
11:05:50 The economic value is reasonably easy to determine.
11:05:54 The community values, unfortunately, is very difficult.
11:05:58 And it falls on your shoulder to make that determination.
11:06:02 You will hear debates in your term on council as to the
11:06:06 value of buildings.
11:06:10 People will come in, ask you to give some consideration to
11:06:12 the onerous impact of designation on their buildings.
11:06:19 Please give that some serious consideration.
11:06:22 I know you will.
11:06:23 I should also mention to you that I have been a past member
11:06:29 of the Historic Preservation Commission.
11:06:33 Its immediate-most past chair.
11:06:36 And our effort on HPC is to bring recommendations to you
11:06:41 I would urge you to give those recommendations and the
11:06:45 findings of ARC and HPC when they are brought to you, or the
11:06:51 barrio when they are brought to you as appeals, some very
11:06:54 serious consideration and support of those boards.
11:06:57 Thank you.
11:06:57 >>MARY MULHERN: Thank you.
11:06:59 >> I'm happy to see all of you up there.
11:07:06 Ann McDonald: I live at 5605 ninth street north, which is
11:07:11 in Seminole Heights.
11:07:16 Trustee of Old Seminole Heights neighborhood association,
11:07:18 and chair of the preservation committee, which has worked to
11:07:23 place 130-year-old farm house in our neighborhood on the
11:07:27 national register of historic places.
11:07:30 Not only because it's a great example of old-time
11:07:36 architecture, but also because casting bill Jackson was a
11:07:48 member very historic member of our City of Tampa.
11:07:51 There was to be a presentation about historic neighborhoods.
11:07:53 You have had people touch on them, you had Jan talk about
11:08:02 Palmetto Beach, and I think that Kim will talk about the
11:08:10 There is one area which we haven't talked about, and that is
11:08:15 the small -- economic impact in our neighborhoods, and that
11:08:22 is, especially in areas where there is blight, neglect, and,
11:08:28 in some cases, a series of arsons.
11:08:37 Think of those old and abandoned buildings if we could put
11:08:41 our contractors, our plumbers, our roofers, our plasterers,
11:08:47 our carpenters, if we could put one set of those people to
11:08:53 work on one building, and sell that, and put those same
11:09:02 people to work on another building.
11:09:04 We would put people to work.
11:09:09 Suppliers would have orders for building material, and we
11:09:14 would put buildings back onto the tax rolls that are now an
11:09:20 economic burden.
11:09:22 I thank all of you for your attention this morning.
11:09:26 Keep up the good work.
11:09:28 And I will see you again, I'm sure.
11:09:30 >>MARY MULHERN: Thank you.
11:09:33 >> Is 001 east 24th Avenue, president of the Ybor
11:09:41 neighborhood association and I am also extremely honored to
11:09:44 be the president-elect for the local chapter of the American
11:09:47 institute of architects.
11:09:50 As most of you probably know, the Ybor neighborhood,
11:09:54 actually the majority of the neighborhood is located in
11:09:56 national historic landmark district, although only a small
11:10:00 sliver is in the local barrio, the local district.
11:10:04 Because so much of it is in a national district and has been
11:10:08 deemed historically significant both for architectural and
11:10:11 obviously our heritage, many, many residents have benefited
11:10:18 from the interstate trust fund grants, loans, and ad valorem
11:10:24 tax credits.
11:10:26 It's an amazing benefit to our community.
11:10:29 Unfortunately, everybody in the national district that gets
11:10:33 those benefits doesn't have the same protection of
11:10:36 properties, because only those within the barrio are truly
11:10:40 protected in terms of design guidelines or in terms of
11:10:44 demolition, and have been cohesiveness of the historic
11:10:50 fabric comes together.
11:10:51 I want to point out that local districts are incredibly
11:10:54 important for the Tampa heritage.
11:10:58 They protect our city's rich and diverse historic
11:11:00 neighborhoods try.
11:11:01 They get to have the opportunity to educate generations and
11:11:04 generations to come.
11:11:06 Local districts encourage very consistent and cohesive
11:11:10 They usually stabilize communities and encourage private
11:11:15 sector development.
11:11:16 But I think most importantly, what we have seen happen over
11:11:19 the last decade, and in my community, is that it brings
11:11:25 community members together in many ways.
11:11:27 It's a participatory process when something goes through a
11:11:31 design review or when you start talking about historic
11:11:35 It establishes a sense of place, and a pride in where you
11:11:39 live, and it inspires new residents to love where they have
11:11:47 chosen to be a stakeholder but also reinvigorate those in a
11:11:53 place, it's not too late.
11:11:55 There's still hope.
11:11:56 Thank you for your time.
11:11:57 >>MARY MULHERN: Thank you.
11:11:58 >> My name is Mr. Nehio, presently go to SPC Clearwater
11:12:08 This is not my, you know, my topic that I wake up and dream
11:12:14 about, you know, speaking on, but since we are speaking on
11:12:17 this topic, in conclusion -- and I am just going to
11:12:21 summarize what everybody said.
11:12:22 I am just going to go by how I'm feeling.
11:12:25 I think this is definitely a great, you know, it's great
11:12:28 that we even have, you know, historic preservation, because,
11:12:33 you know, history is a part of everybody, and I believe
11:12:36 that, you know, if you preserve these buildings, what you
11:12:42 will have is, you know, people looking at our old buildings,
11:12:46 and looking at the new build Inc. to see where we are at
11:12:49 And I think that's beautiful.
11:12:51 Just like the guy that spoke earlier about, you know, this
11:12:57 presentation, he said that, you know, jobs and historic
11:13:00 preservation, our local people are buying neighborhoods, not
11:13:06 just the house, historic buildings are energy efficient,
11:13:09 these buildings are treasures, historic tourism helps the
11:13:13 economy of our area.
11:13:15 So basically, you know, we should definitely into this more
11:13:21 and restore these wonderful buildings.
11:13:27 Our architecture in this country is amazing.
11:13:30 I believe in, you know, the greatness of the human creation
11:13:35 is wonderful, so, therefore, not saying that the things that
11:13:39 we, you know, create now is getting in the way, or if we was
11:13:45 to knock down an old building, you know, that's a
11:13:49 tremendously bad thing to do, because I'm almost -- almost
11:13:53 in between this, but at the same time, I feel like if you
11:13:56 still reserve, you know, your first thought is to reserve
11:14:01 this historic building, I think that's a great, you know, a
11:14:05 great step.
11:14:06 And into our amazing country we have here, and to, you know,
11:14:12 especially the tourists when they come here to Tampa,
11:14:15 they'll see the historic buildings, and I would just -- and
11:14:19 just like the gentleman that went through USF was saying,
11:14:22 you know, it inspires people, especially up and come, you
11:14:26 know, kids that one day will be in this country, and doing
11:14:31 some great things as far as great degrees.
11:14:36 (Bell sounds)
11:14:37 So hopefully we'll have more kids out here wanting to go for
11:14:40 architecture career.
11:14:43 You know, I'm going for lawyer.
11:14:44 Like I said, this is not my strength right here, but at the
11:14:48 same time, I'm into discussions like these, and, therefore,
11:14:52 I hope we definitely pay attention to our beautiful historic
11:14:55 Thank you.
11:14:55 >>MARY MULHERN: Thank you.
11:14:57 Now, the other young man switched from medical school to
11:15:02 architecture so, could you switch from law school to
11:15:06 We are really glad you are here.
11:15:07 Councilwoman Capin.
11:15:09 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I just want to point out, we really
11:15:12 shouldn't separate economic development, if the his torque
11:15:19 preservation from community value.
11:15:21 Community value is economic engine.
11:15:24 Very much so.
11:15:26 So they are actually in the same -- should not be separated,
11:15:30 should be kept together, that the community value is very
11:15:35 much an economic engine.
11:15:37 Thank you.
11:15:37 >>MARY MULHERN: Thank you.
11:15:40 And we have all taken notes, and we can have another
11:15:48 workshop or staff report if you want to talk about
11:15:52 specifically about neighborhood -- historic neighborhoods,
11:15:56 because it sounded like there was interest in that.
11:15:58 So we'll keep -- I'll keep that on my list.
11:16:03 Thank you so much, everyone.
11:16:06 We'll move to -- a little bit late -- to our item number 4.
11:16:24 Energy efficiency measures.
11:16:25 Councilman continue Monday Montelione.
11:16:29 >>LISA MONTELIONE: It's 11:15.
11:16:31 I think this might go more than 45 minutes.
11:16:34 I wonder if it's council's intent to break at noon because I
11:16:36 believe we mate go a little bit over noon.
11:16:38 >>MARY MULHERN: We went over 15 minutes.
11:16:43 How about if we shoot for -- 12:15?
11:16:50 I think we went over a half hour.
11:16:53 10:45 was the time.
11:16:56 12:30 would be great.
11:16:58 Not that we might not use all of that time.
11:17:02 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I would like to move that we continue the
11:17:03 hearing until 12:30 and suspend the rules to go past 12:00.
11:17:08 >>MARY MULHERN: Councilman Capin?
11:17:11 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Chairwoman, is it appropriate to make an
11:17:15 announcement that I just found out about?
11:17:17 >>MARY MULHERN: Let's vote.
11:17:20 Oh, we don't need to vote, do we?
11:17:24 >>MARTIN SHELBY: You can do it by unanimous consent.
11:17:26 It's been brought to my attention that your police coverage
11:17:34 requires time for them to have lunch, so your room will not
11:17:36 be able to be opened before the 1:30 workshop, to bring that
11:17:40 to your attention.
11:17:41 >>MARY MULHERN: I'm sorry?
11:17:43 If we break at 12:30, we'll come back at 1:30.
11:17:46 >>MARTIN SHELBY: But I was suggesting to you, though, that
11:17:50 the chambers will not be able to be opened till right before
11:17:59 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Okay.
11:17:59 >> Ask for unanimous consent to go to 12:30.
11:18:06 >>MARY MULHERN: Yes.
11:18:06 We'll go to 12:30.
11:18:08 Then we'll break.
11:18:09 We will be back at 1:30 for our 1:30 workshop.
11:18:30 >>YVONNE CAPIN: It really helps to do this at 1:30, but very
11:18:33 quickly, the Tampa Airport was going to present, and they
11:18:36 couldn't, because they were preparing for an announcement.
11:18:40 And I wanted to say that TIA has 17 million visitors,
11:18:45 passengers coming through, and the stronger sense of place
11:18:50 It was just announced that the Zurich non-stop flight has
11:18:55 been announced, and it is Edelweiss airlines, the first
11:19:02 European flight in 15 years.
11:19:04 So congratulations to everybody at Tampa Airport.
11:19:08 The mayor and everyone.
11:19:09 >> Let's go!
11:19:12 [ Laughter ]
11:19:13 >>MARY MULHERN: Congratulations to our new Aviation
11:19:15 Authority Executive Director Joseph Lapano who is on a roll.
11:19:27 Councilwoman Montelione.
11:19:28 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Thank you, Madam Chair.
11:19:31 I want to really turn this presentation over to Mr. Snelling
11:19:36 who has prepared a PowerPoint presentation for us to see and
11:19:46 welcome guest from Hillsborough County, Randy Klindworth.
11:19:50 Thank you for coming.
11:19:51 And we can proceed with the presentation, and as we have
11:19:58 >>THOM SNELLING: Snelling I have the PowerPoint and as it
11:20:00 comes up I will put it onto the wall.
11:20:03 As you said, this is a presentation on efficiency measures.
11:20:07 And Randy is going to go ahead and do his presentation
11:20:10 Then I will get up and do the city's portion of the
11:20:13 I do want to mention that Randy, he may be too shy to tell
11:20:16 you this, but he's been in the energy management business
11:20:19 for plus or minus 30 years in the public and the private
11:20:22 He's most recently with Hillsborough County since the year
11:20:26 So he's been around the block a few times.
11:20:28 And he's a pretty smart guy and he understands what all of
11:20:30 this stuff means.
11:20:32 He's been -- he's worked a little bit with our facilities
11:20:36 manager, Ray Herbert.
11:20:38 They have exchanged ideas and thoughts from time to time.
11:20:41 But I did want to just give him that little accolade.
11:20:46 And we have many staff members here, Roger astronaut, Lee
11:20:51 Huffstutler, Diane Gamias, Ray Herbert, Sonya little,
11:21:01 Brickhouse, and myself.
11:21:03 Have I missed anybody?
11:21:04 I will turn it over to Randy and he will do his
11:21:08 >> Thank you, Thom.
11:21:11 And thank you, council members, for having me here today.
11:21:13 I do appreciate that.
11:21:16 Hillsborough County -- let's see, "forward" -- got into the
11:21:25 energy program per se through an organization called ICLEI
11:21:30 back in 1996, and creates an international council for local
11:21:35 environmental initiatives, but it worked throughout the
11:21:38 world with different organizations, and they are very big in
11:21:41 the U.S.
11:21:43 I don't know if you ever heard of them before, but this is a
11:21:46 good organization, all related to environmental issues.
11:21:50 We became involved with them, and they require a local
11:21:55 action plan, part of the local action plan are five mail
11:21:59 So you do a missions inventory, reduction target, reduction
11:22:04 plan, policies, and monitor and track results.
11:22:10 In April of 2000 they hired me.
11:22:13 I was one of the pieces of the local action plan, to hire an
11:22:18 energy manager, and I was looking for a job at the time, and
11:22:22 ended up being selected.
11:22:23 So I have been there since April of 2000.
11:22:26 By February of 2002 we achieved all five milestones.
11:22:36 It's still moving.
11:22:38 How did it do that?
11:22:44 Sorry about that.
11:22:46 It kept moving.
11:22:50 I'll move forward, too.
11:23:09 Oh-oh, it's stuck.
11:23:10 >>MARY MULHERN: Can our television people help by moving it
11:23:14 to the next slide?
11:23:16 >> I'm sorry.
11:23:18 >>MARY MULHERN: Do you have a hard-copy backup?
11:23:20 >> Black and white one.
11:23:21 >>MARY MULHERN: We have got the overhead projector, too.
11:23:25 So you can just use that.
11:23:27 I have a hard copy here.
11:23:46 It's black and white.
11:23:47 It's moving.
11:23:49 See if it caught up.
11:23:55 Now I can't back it up.
11:23:57 >> Why don't you just use the overhead?
11:24:00 It works fine.
11:24:01 >> It will save time.
11:24:02 >>MARY MULHERN: This doesn't usually happen to us.
11:24:12 You are over here from the county thinking we are dinosaurs,
11:24:15 but it usually works.
11:24:19 No one of those days.
11:24:21 There we go.
11:24:28 This slide here shows some of the measures that we have
11:24:32 We have got over 80 different buildings with lighting
11:24:39 retrofits, libraries, fire rescue, a complex on Falkenburg,
11:24:45 just finished.
11:24:46 That orient road jail.
11:24:47 All our parking facilities.
11:24:49 So we have done building control systems, in over 35
11:24:53 different buildings.
11:24:54 Those are automated control systems to control all the HVC
11:24:59 and lighting.
11:24:59 We are doing roof upgrades, insulation of roofs, our traffic
11:25:04 has retrofitted all the traffic signals to LEDs.
11:25:09 Ball field lighting, we have upgraded lighting in ball
11:25:13 Fleet is looking at hybrid and natural gas vehicles.
11:25:17 We are also looking at electric vehicles.
11:25:20 Water resources, we got the resource water, wastewater plant
11:25:25 such as y'all.
11:25:26 We have the downtown chiller plant.
11:25:28 Then just at the near end of completion of the stimulus
11:25:36 Something I want to talk about is a section we have called
11:25:38 repair and preservation.
11:25:43 It's a group of about eight people within the facilities
11:25:46 management services department, and that section performs
11:25:50 different tasks.
11:25:51 They draw the lighting retrofits, building automated control
11:25:54 systems, roof insulation, and they also do periodic building
11:26:00 And in these inspections they look for deficiencies or
11:26:04 efficiencies that we could do, or if they are already doing.
11:26:07 >> What are they called?
11:26:09 >> We call it the repair and preservation section.
11:26:14 Now, that section, when they do the lighting retrofits, the
11:26:19 moneys they get, it's dedicated funding from a 1% ad valorem
11:26:25 It was created before I -- it was created before I came to
11:26:29 the county.
11:26:30 I don't know the exact date of that.
11:26:32 But their sole purpose is to maintain our buildings, to keep
11:26:39 them in efficient operating conditions.
11:26:41 >> Is this separate from the maintenance division?
11:26:43 >> They are part of it.
11:26:45 Our regular maintenance division is, yes, it's within the
11:26:48 same department, but there are two different groups.
11:26:53 Two different groups.
11:26:55 But they do work together.
11:26:56 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Thank you.
11:26:59 >>MARY MULHERN: Can you explain to me -- I'll try to make
11:27:03 it quick, because I don't mean to be interrupting.
11:27:06 >> No, you're fine.
11:27:08 >>MARY MULHERN: It your job as the energy manager, you are
11:27:13 working with these departments, individual departments
11:27:15 within the county?
11:27:17 >> Yes.
11:27:18 >>MARY MULHERN: Do you have a staff under you?
11:27:22 >> No, ma'am.
11:27:23 I'm a one-man show.
11:27:26 >>MARY MULHERN: So do you have authority to set targets or
11:27:30 goals for those individual departments?
11:27:34 >> I do.
11:27:35 Or I work with them to do that.
11:27:37 Myself, I work out of the facilities management services,
11:27:40 because that's the buildings.
11:27:42 And that's where they felt the best fit for an energy
11:27:47 So I work with them.
11:27:48 I can't tell them what to do but I can give them ideas, I
11:27:51 can give them options, I can do the numbers for them, and a
11:27:56 lot of times they can't do that.
11:27:58 >>MARY MULHERN: And is there a larger department within the
11:28:02 county that sustainability issues, green, or sustainable or
11:28:06 anything like that, or is it all just kind of distributed?
11:28:11 >> It's pretty much distributed throughout, yes.
11:28:13 >>MARY MULHERN: Thanks.
11:28:14 >> That was a good question, very good question.
11:28:23 Our other departments do projects on their own, also, and
11:28:28 their funding for that comes out of the C.I.T. like
11:28:31 everything else, which is difficult because, you know, we
11:28:34 are all limited on that.
11:28:36 And so they have to be approved projects, and they go
11:28:39 through a certain chain.
11:28:42 I don't have then in color.
11:28:43 I apologize.
11:28:45 The slide didn't work.
11:28:47 I was trying to save on some money on INK.
11:28:50 I printed my stuff out in black and white.
11:28:54 This slide is of downtown.
11:28:57 I did a project a few years back where we cut a central
11:29:00 chill water plant in.
11:29:03 The dark line, there was the piping.
11:29:07 And what we did there, we connected the old courthouse,
11:29:13 county center, we have got the annex complex, courthouse.
11:29:19 The whole project costs about $14 million, and I did it with
11:29:23 ENESCO, and Tampa Bay Trane won the bid, Energy Service
11:29:33 Company, so it's a guaranteed energy savings project.
11:29:36 So they have to guarantee you a certain amount of energy
11:29:39 savings every year, or if they don't they have to pay you
11:29:44 It's typically a good thing to work that way.
11:29:46 The problem sometimes going with a ENESCO is they fund the
11:29:52 project, the project is going to cost more because they
11:29:54 cannot borrow money as cheap as we can.
11:29:57 Our interest rates are much better.
11:29:59 And they are in it to make a profit.
11:30:02 So we went out for bid, Tampa Trane got the bid, and what we
11:30:07 did with Trane, I said, now wait a minute, if we are going
11:30:10 to look at this a little differently, and they are willing
11:30:12 to work with us, how much would it cost for you to fund the
11:30:19 And then we looked at how much it cost for a county to fund
11:30:23 the project, they do the work and still guarantee the
11:30:26 And we looked at it, and we were saving -- it was almost 5%.
11:30:31 5 to 8%.
11:30:35 We are saving by us coming up with all the funding and
11:30:40 hiring them to do the work.
11:30:42 And so it worked out much better that way.
11:30:44 >>MARY MULHERN: Did you bond that out or was it --
11:30:47 >> I'm not the financial one here.
11:30:51 It was called something like the commercial paper fund.
11:30:54 >>MARY MULHERN: And one more.
11:30:55 What year did you get that?
11:30:59 >> With 2003, 2004 when we did that.
11:31:02 >>MARY MULHERN: The City of Tampa also bid out for the same
11:31:08 thing, and Trane's competitor, I think Johnson Controls won
11:31:12 the bid, but we just never did it.
11:31:15 >> 2003?
11:31:17 >> Same year you did it.
11:31:18 >> Butt turned out great.
11:31:21 And right now, we connected up five county buildings plus
11:31:25 two school district buildings.
11:31:27 And I'm tracking 1.5 million a year in savings and revenue
11:31:33 from that project.
11:31:34 And out of it, we got three new energy stars.
11:31:37 We already had one at the water resources, which is all the
11:31:40 way, this building over here.
11:31:44 And then we picked up energy star, the old main courthouse
11:31:50 and the county center.
11:31:53 So we are doing pretty good with the energy star program
11:31:56 I like that.
11:31:57 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Do you have an estimate of how much
11:32:03 money you save by having this program in place?
11:32:07 >> The energy star program?
11:32:08 Or the energy program itself?
11:32:10 Yes, right at the very end, I will go through that with you.
11:32:17 Now I have to find this slide.
11:32:27 Now, federal energy efficiency and conservation block grant.
11:32:30 I know you all got some block grant money out of that also.
11:32:33 The county was allocated $7.665 million.
11:32:37 And so we solicited the departments, and we came up with
11:32:41 like 16 projects that were -- I wouldn't say shovel ready
11:32:47 but pretty close to being ready to go.
11:32:48 But out of that, we developed 196 KW solar system for the
11:32:59 old main courthouse, two lighting retrofits, our water
11:33:06 treatment is retrofitting the sludge processing at one of
11:33:09 the plants, we are supplying power to a water treatment
11:33:12 facility from the waste energy plant, and fleet is putting
11:33:16 in a fuel monitoring system that will monitor each time they
11:33:22 fuel up, if they sit in idle for an hour, that gets tracked.
11:33:27 We know idle times of the vehicles.
11:33:30 We are just trying to get a good handle on everybody
11:33:32 operating county-owned vehicles.
11:33:36 And then put some solar on all people's life center on
11:33:43 orient road.
11:33:49 This last slide is a picture of the solar that we did
11:33:52 downtown at the old main courthouse.
11:33:56 Nobody can see it.
11:33:57 And half the people don't even know it's there as you drive
11:34:01 by it.
11:34:01 >> You have to go to Randy's office and look out the window.
11:34:04 >> Right.
11:34:04 But what I did do as part of it is I got to have a monitor
11:34:09 in the billed building so it monitors the realtime solar
11:34:12 output, and then across the street in the county center put
11:34:15 another monitor to monitor it also.
11:34:20 Now, all the measures I have talked about that we have done
11:34:23 in the county, I'm tracking approximately $3.2 million a
11:34:27 year in savings.
11:34:30 The cost, the total cost for the implementation of all those
11:34:35 projects is right about 31 million.
11:34:39 That figures out to a very simple payback of 9.6 years.
11:34:46 I do have a return on investment on each project and in
11:34:49 doing so you look at your energy savings, Lou at your
11:34:52 maintenance, Lou at how often you have to go back in and
11:34:56 replace or repair.
11:34:57 There's a lot of factors that go into it.
11:34:59 But each energy project has to be look