TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
Thursday, February 16, 2012
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09:04:29 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: City Council is called to order.
09:04:30 The chair yield to Mr. Suarez.
09:04:31 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you, chair.
09:04:37 We'll wait to settle down over here.
09:04:41 Thank you all.
09:04:41 I would like to introduce Todd Roberts.
09:04:44 Todd, if you would come to the podium.
09:04:46 Pastor Todd Roberts, of South Tampa fellowship, born in
09:04:51 Texas lived in Oklahoma most of his life.
09:04:54 I'm sure he enjoys living in Tampa now.
09:04:57 You graduated from Mobile college.
09:04:58 Over the years he worked with great communicators such as
09:05:01 Kelly green, Jay Stratt.
09:05:05 He has been leader of many singles Bibles studies and had
09:05:10 opportunities to speak about life choices.
09:05:12 Todd is co-author of "fish" used in high schools throughout
09:05:18 the U.S. which train students.
09:05:21 He worked with thousands of youth ministers from many
09:05:24 denominations and helped enhance min strip to students.
09:05:27 Todd and his wife have three children, daughter Bailey and
09:05:30 sons Jake and Cady.
09:05:34 We welcome you to do the invocation.
09:05:36 Everyone please stand and remain standing.
09:05:39 >> Father, we do thank you so much for this day you have
09:05:43 given us.
09:05:43 Lord, we thank you for these men and women that you have
09:05:45 chosen to serve on this council.
09:05:47 We pray that you give them wisdom, give them direction as
09:05:50 they make decisions that are very important to this city.
09:05:53 Father, we love you and thank you.
09:05:56 [ Pledge of Allegiance ]
09:06:18 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Roll call.
09:06:19 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Here.
09:06:21 >>FRANK REDDICK: Here.
09:06:22 >>MARY MULHERN: Here.
09:06:23 >>HARRY COHEN: Here.
09:06:25 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Here.
09:06:26 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Here.
09:06:30 All right, we are in the portion of the agenda for
09:06:36 ceremonial activities, and the chair yields to Ms. Mary
09:07:05 >>MARY MULHERN: Good morning.
09:07:06 This is such a great morning for all of us here in Tampa
09:07:11 And here in downtown Tampa at Tampa City Hall, we have just
09:07:17 the great honor and privilege of having our Tampa Bay Rays
09:07:21 manager Joe Maddon, manager of the year for last year and in
09:07:27 2008 here to accept a commendation.
09:07:30 And it was a thrill back in, I think, October or November
09:07:35 when you got this award, and we made a motion that we give
09:07:41 you a commendation as well as Jeremy Hellickson for being --
09:07:49 >> Is he here?
09:07:50 >> He is not.
09:07:50 We tried this long to get you here. We really appreciate it
09:07:53 that you made it here.
09:07:55 So it really brightened up the sad time for me as well as a
09:08:03 lot of baseball fans when the season was over to know that
09:08:06 we were going to get a visit from you.
09:08:10 Spring training and we finally got you here.
09:08:12 You are such a gift to our community, the example you set
09:08:16 not only in your profession as a baseball manager, but what
09:08:18 you do for this community with the way that you managed your
09:08:25 team, just the example you set for everyone, and the
09:08:28 wonderful work that we know you do best for your hometown.
09:08:33 And what is the name?
09:08:35 >> Hazel ton, Pennsylvania.
09:08:38 >> Hazelton, Pennsylvania, where you are setting a fantastic
09:08:43 It's a thrill and honor for me to present you with this
09:08:45 commendation from Tampa City Council today, in recognition
09:08:49 of being named the 2011 AL manager of the year, the Tampa
09:08:53 City Council congratulates the Tampa Bay race skipper Joe
09:08:56 Maddon, and 26 of the 28 first place votes, good for a total
09:09:02 133 points on the AL ballot.
09:09:05 He now has three of the two highest in the history of the AL
09:09:09 manager. Year award winning and one of only four active
09:09:14 managers to be named manager of the year two or more times.
09:09:17 Like us, we all have three years left on our contract here.
09:09:21 [ Laughter ]
09:09:23 >> That's pretty good.
09:09:24 >>MARY MULHERN: But Joe reminded me that he has a year
09:09:28 already in addition to that contract so he will be here for
09:09:30 another four years.
09:09:31 So I'm sure we will be adding to these numbers.
09:09:36 Love for his team has made on respected and loved by his
09:09:40 players and made him a highly sought of a managerial
09:09:46 Well, we deal a lot with property here, and we are glad that
09:09:49 you are not just property but have become a citizen of the
09:09:54 City of Tampa and the Tampa Bay region and that you are
09:09:58 staying here.
09:10:00 Tampa Bay area is fortunate to have mad on leading our Rays
09:10:03 for another three years.
09:10:04 Thank you.
09:10:06 [ Applause ]
09:10:08 >> Joe Maddon: I had no idea this was going to happen.
09:10:20 Honestly, I did No. it's a very kind consideration.
09:10:22 Honestly, I did feel very much a part of the community here.
09:10:26 I live right down the street actually.
09:10:29 I was almost late because of the traffic but I will be going
09:10:32 on my bike ride down Bayshore later this afternoon.
09:10:35 But I have really come to appreciate and really respect and
09:10:39 love this particular area.
09:10:41 I really wanted to sign that three-year extension because
09:10:44 there's no other place I wanted to be.
09:10:46 I mean that very sincerely.
09:10:48 And the work we have done with the Salvation Army over the
09:10:53 last couple years has always been very dear to my heart.
09:10:55 That continues to grow.
09:10:56 Actually yesterday the grace foundation contributed a bunch
09:10:59 of money to our endeavors there which is going to help us in
09:11:03 the future, also.
09:11:07 2012 is going to be a very good year.
09:11:09 We got a nice ball club.
09:11:11 And we had a really good offseason.
09:11:15 Did a good job at accumulating a lot of really good players
09:11:19 and I'm anxious to get started down in Port Charlotte in a
09:11:23 couple of days.
09:11:24 But again that is one of the things I will display proudly
09:11:26 in my office.
09:11:27 And if you come down to the old ballpark, come down and say
09:11:32 hello at any time.
09:11:33 Honestly, this is very cool.
09:11:35 And again very much a surprise.
09:11:37 And I will cherish it for many years.
09:11:39 Thank you very much.
09:11:41 [ Applause ]
09:11:43 >> He has a Yankee hat on.
09:12:07 >> Yeah, how did he get in here?
09:12:11 >>MARY MULHERN: We wanted to welcome Carlos back, too.
09:12:38 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Ms. Capin?
09:12:40 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Yes.
09:12:41 I will send a message.
09:12:42 You can take it back.
09:12:43 Since Carlos couldn't be here today, Tampa City Council
09:12:46 would like to welcome back home number 23, Carlos Pena to
09:12:50 Tampa Bay Rays.
09:12:51 We are happy his one-year detour to the north side of
09:12:55 Chicago has come to an end, and wish him a very productive
09:12:58 and successful 2012 season.
09:13:01 Go Rays!
09:13:04 [ Applause ]
09:13:06 >> Thank you very much.
09:13:10 You all have a good day.
09:13:12 [ Applause ]
09:13:17 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Next on the agenda we have chief
09:13:20 executive Tampa international.
09:13:37 I have never seen so many bald headed people.
09:13:39 >> I played second base in my day, too.
09:13:42 >> We'll put you in the old-timers baseball game.
09:13:45 >> It's interesting.
09:13:51 We were at a conference recently and the head of the
09:13:53 conference pointed out that there are fewer airports CEOs
09:13:57 in this country than there are major league baseball
09:13:59 players, so the chance of becoming an airport CEO are less.
09:14:05 [ Laughter ]
09:14:09 That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
09:14:12 I have a presentation.
09:14:13 And -- okay.
09:14:21 It's an honor to be here before you today.
09:14:23 Thank you for inviting me.
09:14:25 It's a privilege to be the CEO of the best airport in this
09:14:28 country, and I'm very proud to say that every day I come to
09:14:32 work, and I look around and say this is a fantastic place.
09:14:36 So thank you.
09:14:37 We are in a turnaround mode at Tampa international.
09:14:40 We have had a couple of bad years because waive call the
09:14:42 triple perfect storm, which was the national recession, the
09:14:45 housing meltdown, plus the effects of the Gulf oil spill and
09:14:50 the fear that the beaches were fouled.
09:14:52 So what's happened is our volumes have dropped 12.5% from
09:14:56 2005 to 2010, and our international passenger volumes
09:14:58 dropped even further down 17%.
09:15:01 Our profits were down 54%.
09:15:03 So we were faced with a serious situation where we had to
09:15:07 climb out of this hole.
09:15:08 And what we have done if you look at this chart is we have
09:15:11 beaten our budget for the last year and approved our bottom
09:15:16 line by $2.2 million.
09:15:18 If you look at the operating expense line,
09:15:23 We are below on expenses by $4 million or 4.3% last year.
09:15:27 So we beat the budget by 4 million and that helped us
09:15:31 improve the bottom line by $2.5 million.
09:15:33 And the reason improving the bottom line is so important to
09:15:36 us, that's what we use to improve the airport.
09:15:38 We do not get tax dollars from the city.
09:15:41 We have to make a profit in order to reinvest it in our
09:15:45 You can see here what's happened to our profits.
09:15:47 We were down to $18 million, which as I say what we use to
09:15:51 fix and repair the airport.
09:15:52 We are bringing that up to $26 million next year, that's a
09:15:56 44% increase in our bottom line profit.
09:16:00 In addition, our reserves, which is additional profit that
09:16:03 we can use for unanticipated projects will go to
09:16:06 $5.2 million.
09:16:08 It's a very important number for us.
09:16:09 Now I was asked to talk to you today about our master plan,
09:16:12 and I will do so now.
09:16:16 The current situation is we had our last master plan
09:16:20 completed in 2005.
09:16:21 The FAA suggests we complete a new master plan every three
09:16:24 to five years.
09:16:25 As I said, traffic has been down.
09:16:27 We have had a number of different airline mergers take
09:16:30 Delta, Northwest, Continental, United and Southwest and Air
09:16:34 Tran plus our plan for a north terminal has been pushed back
09:16:38 to at least 2023.
09:16:39 So our focus now is to climb out of the hole we find ours
09:16:44 in. We have a change in direction of philosophy.
09:16:46 One of much more aggressive marketing, one of building our
09:16:50 And our vision is to be a vibrant aviation gateway for Tampa
09:16:54 Bay. Our job is to create prosperity for this region.
09:16:58 The objectives of the study, establish our new growth
09:17:02 The U.S. airline and aviation situation right now is one of
09:17:08 a mature growth industry. We have about a 1 to 2% growth
09:17:12 ratio. And looking out for the future.
09:17:16 This is not the 5 to 10% growth of 10 years ago.
09:17:19 The market right now is quite mature. We also want to take
09:17:22 a look at our facilities, not only main terminal but our
09:17:25 airside terminals, rental care, international facilities,
09:17:29 can we handle Internet growth at the airport which is where
09:17:33 we are aiming, and anything about our common use processing,
09:17:37 and also the highest and best use of our real estate.
09:17:40 We have only 3700 acres of land, and the airport that I came
09:17:43 from had 18,000 acres. So you could make a mistake at DFW
09:17:49 and kind of hide it.
09:17:50 You can't do that here.
09:17:51 We have to be precise.
09:17:52 What we do next to be exactly right.
09:17:54 So we have three major areas that we are studying in our
09:17:56 real estate. The south entry area, the east development
09:18:00 node which is the area near Drew Park and then the north
09:18:02 expansion area which is where the new terminal would have
09:18:06 And we also want to study intramodal and multimodal
09:18:09 connectivity so that we can be a part of wherever this
09:18:12 region wants to go in the future with respect to transit.
09:18:17 Okay, so the areas that we are studying, here is an overhead
09:18:21 view of the airport.
09:18:23 First of all, our curbside and main terminal capacity, the
09:18:28 rental car facilities, our international passenger
09:18:31 procession which is air side F, the south entry node, the
09:18:34 transportation, single entry into the airport, the east
09:18:38 development node, and finally the north area.
09:18:42 The most congested area that we have at the present time is
09:18:45 the curbside.
09:18:46 And many of you, I'm sure, have been out there and seen the
09:18:49 traffic back up onto the active roadways because of people
09:18:53 dropping off and so on.
09:18:54 What we have done, we just recently completed a project
09:18:58 where we changed the signage, relit the whole area and
09:19:01 changed the tiles in the check-in counters it looks really
09:19:05 good right now.
09:19:06 We solved some of the problems.
09:19:07 But as we grow in passengers, this area becomes much more
09:19:10 congested so we have to understand what that means to us.
09:19:12 The other thing is the main terminal.
09:19:14 The main terminal is now 40 years old, and it was brilliant
09:19:17 in its design initially, and maintains that same brilliance
09:19:22 That's why we were rated the number 6 most loved airport in
09:19:25 the world by CNN.
09:19:27 It's because of the people 45 years ago who were sitting in
09:19:30 these chambers who thought about how do we create an airport
09:19:33 for the future, and they did a wonderful job.
09:19:35 However, as we approach 20 million annual passengers, the
09:19:39 main terminal becomes congested and past its capabilities so
09:19:44 we have to study that as well.
09:19:46 The rental car facilities, we have one of the most
09:19:49 convenient rental car facilities in the country and we are
09:19:51 indeed the 7th largest rental car market in the United
09:19:55 It's a very excellent market for us.
09:19:57 We make a lot of money from it and it's great for our
09:20:00 However, again as we grow towards 20 million annual
09:20:03 passengers, this rental car facility will become quite a bit
09:20:08 And air side F, we have recently, as you know, our
09:20:12 international traffic is actually up 17%.
09:20:14 We have started service to Cuba.
09:20:16 We now serve two cities in Cuba.
09:20:19 We are one of the only airports in the country, in fact the
09:20:21 only other airport in the United States that serves two
09:20:23 cities is Miami.
09:20:25 We are having great success in those markets.
09:20:27 We have also introduced new service to Zurich, Switzerland.
09:20:30 With this new growth, our capacity at terminal F is
09:20:34 basically maxing out.
09:20:36 We have to study, A, what do we do in the short term to make
09:20:40 sure we continue to grow internationally because that's
09:20:42 important for this community, but also from a long-term
09:20:44 standpoint, when we continue to grow international, what is
09:20:46 the customer experience that we want them to reach here in
09:20:53 Also, the passenger processing.
09:20:57 If you have been to Home Depot and your grocery store, a lot
09:21:00 of the checkout is all automated.
09:21:03 A lot of things are becoming automated.
09:21:05 As you come to the airport more things are becoming
09:21:09 Common use passenger processing, if you fly any airline
09:21:12 that's a tenant you can check in at any common use facility
09:21:15 and that will actually change the way our ticketing area
09:21:17 downstairs serves. We don't need to have all those ticket
09:21:20 counters being used when there's in a flight.
09:21:22 You can actually use, for example, British airways checks in
09:21:28 at night.
09:21:28 The rest of the day that counter is empty.
09:21:30 That can be used for common use passenger processing system
09:21:33 so we are going to study that as well.
09:21:35 And finally, the south entry node, this is the area where we
09:21:39 have the post office, we have an economy parking lot, we
09:21:42 have our cell phone lot.
09:21:45 This single entry node, as you know, that one single rode
09:21:48 roadway 20 years from now will become quite congested so the
09:21:52 question becomes what do we do with the south entry node?
09:21:56 Does that become the area where we have the ability to
09:21:58 connect to multimodal and where we have bus rapid transit,
09:22:03 light rail or whatever this region decides it wants.
09:22:06 We need to be prepared to handle.
09:22:07 That but in addition, that same thing has to be considered
09:22:10 with respect to the transportation corridor.
09:22:14 Is there a way for us to use rail or automated people mover
09:22:18 systems to connect the south entry to the main terminal area
09:22:21 and decongest the main terminal area?
09:22:23 That will be studied as well.
09:22:25 And the east side development node, what we have found on
09:22:28 the east side is that we have created a maintenance repair
09:22:33 and overall corridor with a company called PEMCO who now has
09:22:39 800 plane mechanics.
09:22:43 The business is tough, there's in a doubt about that, but
09:22:45 there are some opportunities for us to develop the land on
09:22:47 the east side to support companies that would support
09:22:54 maintenance repair and overhaul operations and create more
09:22:57 In other words, as an aircraft comes in and is repaired, and
09:23:00 the landing gear is taken off the aircraft and shipped out
09:23:03 to Indianapolis for repair, we are trying to create a
09:23:06 situation where the landing gear is shipped out the back
09:23:09 door for repair right there at Drew Park.
09:23:12 And the north expansion node will be where our Greenfield
09:23:15 site, where we can grow as we get our passenger numbers up
09:23:19 to where we want them.
09:23:20 That's the site where we would be able to build a new
09:23:23 facility, new terminal when the time comes.
09:23:27 The process, we launched in the November of last year.
09:23:30 We have been getting stakeholder and agency input on this
09:23:33 plan right now.
09:23:34 We are coordinating with all the agencies in the region so
09:23:37 that we can understand what their plans are as well.
09:23:39 And this plan will be complete by the end of the year.
09:23:42 Another area that I wanted to brief you on is the main
09:23:44 terminal modernization.
09:23:46 This is a project that we are currently underway on.
09:23:49 It's more than $20 million project.
09:23:51 And the scope is to create a distinctive vision and design
09:23:55 criteria to reshape the interior design of the main
09:23:59 terminal, provide finishes that a sure the main terminal is
09:24:02 attractive, modern and sustainable.
09:24:04 And we have also prepared an interior design criteria
09:24:08 What this was was three separate projects, and what we have
09:24:11 done was combine them into one so that we have a single look
09:24:14 for the main terminal, and we have done that through a
09:24:17 design criteria manual.
09:24:19 We created visioning session was a lost surveys with over
09:24:23 600 passengers conducted by Everest university students,
09:24:32 airport users, community partners and stakeholders.
09:24:35 And on the ticket level, you see on the left, the proposed
09:24:39 view would be on the right.
09:24:40 We would replace the carpet with tile.
09:24:41 It's easier to move your luggage through especially in a
09:24:45 transit area.
09:24:46 It's also easier for handicapped individuals to move through
09:24:48 the area as well.
09:24:52 And here we see the red side elevator bank would be updated
09:24:58 and renewed with a new glass surface as opposed to the brick
09:25:02 You can see that.
09:25:03 And you will also see some sculptures there on the right.
09:25:06 We have created an art area so that we can highlight some of
09:25:09 the features of the Tampa Bay region.
09:25:13 And the ticket level walkway, you can see again, this had is
09:25:16 the tile work on the left side is the existing view on the
09:25:19 right side is where we are going to go, and you can see we
09:25:21 have provided an area for art to be displayed in that level.
09:25:26 Here is the shuttle entry to our shuttle lobbies on the left
09:25:30 is the E shuttle, lobby bay you can see.
09:25:34 And on the right is the proposed view for the east shuttle
09:25:37 Much cleaner and much more modern.
09:25:40 And the restrooms, you can see on the left the existing
09:25:43 On the right the proposed view.
09:25:45 These will be taken down to the studies and rebuilt in a
09:25:49 very high level fashion.
09:25:50 We believe that creates a great image for our airport as
09:25:56 And half the restrooms will be completed before the
09:26:01 Republican national convention.
09:26:04 Signs installed on the baggage level.
09:26:06 And I have a red light here.
09:26:08 So it's going to be great.
09:26:09 Trust me.
09:26:09 A lot of the work will be done before the Republican
09:26:12 national convention.
09:26:12 We want to make a great impression on the people who come
09:26:16 into our wonderful community.
09:26:17 Again thank you very much for your attention and inviting me
09:26:20 out today.
09:26:21 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
09:26:21 We really appreciate that.
09:26:22 And the red light here means boarding time.
09:26:24 >> Don't want to take a delay.
09:26:28 Any questions?
09:26:29 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Any questions by council members?
09:26:31 >>MARY MULHERN: How are they coming on the direct flights
09:26:34 to San Francisco?
09:26:40 There's one way getting out there.
09:26:43 >> We had jet blue announce new service to Laguardia and
09:26:48 Washington national, and we have had spirit airways announce
09:26:51 new service from Tampa to Dallas.
09:26:53 And we are getting there.
09:26:56 Okay, Dallas is about halfway to San Francisco.
09:26:59 One of the things that's affecting us, Councilwoman, is the
09:27:01 price of fuel, and on a long haul flight from San Francisco
09:27:05 to Tampa, airlines are a little bit more hesitant to take
09:27:08 those chances on long haul flights because you are burning
09:27:11 so much fuel.
09:27:12 You are carrying so much fuel to burn in the future as you
09:27:15 are flying five hours.
09:27:16 So the price of fuel is a driver for us, but we are very
09:27:20 aggressively trying to get those flights.
09:27:22 Trust me on that.
09:27:25 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
09:27:26 We appreciate it.
09:27:26 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Mr. Lopano, thank you.
09:27:33 One question I have, the FAA had suggested that the master
09:27:37 plan be updated three to five years, and if I had it
09:27:42 correct, the last one was completed in 2005 and we got
09:27:46 started on this one in 2011.
09:27:48 A reason for the gap, and do we have a regular schedule for
09:27:51 updating that master plan for the next three to five years?
09:27:57 >> Yes, this is one of the first things that I said when I
09:28:01 got here to do, and it took a little while to get that
09:28:04 through the procurement process and so on.
09:28:06 We started the master plan actually last year.
09:28:08 It takes about 18 months to get it done.
09:28:11 We'll probably do it again in five to six years.
09:28:13 And the FAA is totally okay with that as long as they
09:28:16 understand where we are in terms of our plans.
09:28:19 I believe it's something that we should do every five years.
09:28:22 And the last one, I'm not sure why it wasn't re-upped before
09:28:26 I got here, but it's now on the platter so we think every
09:28:31 three to five years is a good time to do it.
09:28:35 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
09:28:38 Let me share before we go any further, there's one council
09:28:41 member that has to leave by 11 and I have to leave by 11:30
09:28:45 and I am going take the agenda and skip around a little bit
09:28:47 to satisfy the needs of the public that's hear today on
09:28:50 important matters, and also information reports which I
09:28:53 think would be very interesting on what I think is going to
09:28:58 But that's just my opinion.
09:29:00 So bear with me.
09:29:02 We'll try to get through the agenda as quickly as possible
09:29:05 and as accurately as possible.
09:29:07 Item number 4 is another ceremonial activity on waste
09:29:13 management service, Big Belly Solar.
09:29:19 I hope they are not talking about my belly.
09:29:21 >> My name is Robert Criste, Big Belly Solar throughout the
09:29:27 United States and the Caribbean.
09:29:28 I am here today with the CEO who is visiting from Boston,
09:29:34 Massachusetts and we are glad to have him with us.
09:29:36 For over a year Big Belly Solar and your sanitation solid
09:29:40 waste department has conduct add pilot just a few blocks
09:29:42 from here introducing a smart grid for waste and recycling.
09:29:48 Today is a call to action to increase the efficiency
09:29:51 associated with waste collection.
09:29:53 What I would like to do is go through this very quickly,
09:29:56 leaving some time for questions.
09:29:59 Purchasing a trash pin from public space -- and again not
09:30:04 talking about residential or commercial, I'm talking about
09:30:06 your public spaces, your parks and beaches in your downtown
09:30:10 Purchasing a trash bin, I think I saw in some of your
09:30:14 budgets you are allocating $700 per bin, and that's an easy
09:30:23 However, the annual costs associated with collection based
09:30:25 on fuel costs, staff, collection frequency, maintenance of
09:30:29 the vehicles, et cetera, is about $2,000 a year per trash
09:30:34 So those numbers are real.
09:30:36 That's a weighted average, different studies we have done
09:30:38 throughout the United States.
09:30:39 So parks is about $1800 per trash can.
09:30:44 And the reason those costs are so high is because you throw
09:30:47 a lot of capacity at the problem.
09:30:49 You throw crews, fuel, trucks, collection frequency at the
09:30:56 And still, in some cases, you are seeing an overflow in
09:31:00 trash cans.
09:31:01 You are also seeing a trash can with a candy bar wrapper in
09:31:05 But you are still compelled to empty that trash can.
09:31:09 So there's a lot of waste associated with waste collection.
09:31:12 And that waste is in the form of dollars.
09:31:15 What we do at Big Belly Solar by the utilization of data and
09:31:20 compassion is reduce and eliminate the energy associated
09:31:23 with waste collection by 70 to 80%.
09:31:26 So we are taking 7 to 8 trash truck trips off of your
09:31:30 streets, and there's a lot of implications there.
09:31:33 You can free up those resources for other activities.
09:31:36 I understand that some of my research that there's a little
09:31:39 bit of pain going on with your solid waste and sanitation
09:31:43 activities in this town, and you are not alone.
09:31:46 That's all over the world.
09:31:47 We work all over the world.
09:31:49 And we see councils and agencies dealing with the problem
09:31:56 because they don't have any transparency and visibility.
09:32:00 So what we provide you is a system where your waste
09:32:04 recycling collection stations located throughout your
09:32:08 municipality, beaches, parks, et cetera, are all viewable
09:32:12 online that can be viewed remotely with a smart phone, or on
09:32:16 your computer, and so the person in charge of directing the
09:32:21 routes and the energy and the crews and the trucks
09:32:24 associated with waste collection can actually look and see.
09:32:29 And if they are green, those stations don't need to be
09:32:33 If they are yellow, they need to be scheduled.
09:32:35 And if they are red you have to go collect them right now.
09:32:37 The other component on the right is the auditing, the
09:32:41 transparency, the visibility, the validation and
09:32:44 confirmation that you are spending the right amount of money
09:32:46 on that activity.
09:32:48 And what will happen is 70 to 80% of the cost associated
09:32:52 with waste and recycling collection will be freed up for
09:32:57 other activities, and that's why we are speaking to you
09:33:01 today, is because sometimes that sanitation or solid waste
09:33:04 department has a rather static budget, and they are unable
09:33:07 to deploy a program like this and realize these types of
09:33:12 efficiencies, because they are constrained by their existing
09:33:18 So what we are proposing is a call to action today that
09:33:20 looks at taking your existing four Big Belly Solar stations
09:33:24 in Tampa and expanding that to 200.
09:33:27 That's going to require removing existing trash cans that
09:33:31 are out on your street.
09:33:32 And, by the way, you can put them in a warehouse and
09:33:35 redeploy them in other areas.
09:33:37 So that trash bin budget that you currently have would be
09:33:42 We are taking weekly collections from seven to one, freeing
09:33:46 up 140 or so man hours per week.
09:33:50 Annual labor costs go down to 30 K from 210.
09:33:53 You can see the numbers here.
09:33:54 But the bottom line is it's going to free up $300,000 a year
09:33:58 in cash that you can do other things with.
09:34:01 We are also going to reduce your carbon footprint in the
09:34:03 City of Tampa by 138 metric tons of CO2.
09:34:08 There's some other considerations down at the bottom as it
09:34:13 To a formal
09:34:15 And efficient introduction of public space recycling.
09:34:18 This is a problem that is global.
09:34:21 We do a good job in residential and commercial, and we tend
09:34:26 to do a very poor job in public space.
09:34:29 And by the way
09:34:30 When you go out to lunch today
09:34:32 Take a look at the trash cans in your streets.
09:34:34 70 to 80, sometimes 90% of the content inside those contents
09:34:38 are single stream recyclable material so the vast majority
09:34:41 of waste being generated in public space is recyclable
09:34:46 So how do you pay for this?
09:34:48 We want to the pay for itself.
09:34:52 300 that you annual waste collection annual waste collection
09:34:58 savings would more than cover a five-year lease so the idea
09:35:00 is that the system itself would cover the cost of the
09:35:04 And then after your five-year lease, of course, that cash
09:35:07 flow is freed up for other activities.
09:35:09 And there's lots of different ways to pay for it.
09:35:13 Have your existing bin budget.
09:35:15 You have developed metal funds for streetscape improvements.
09:35:17 You have multi-purpose capacity.
09:35:22 Other areas other than the solid waste and sanitation budget
09:35:26 line items.
09:35:27 Sustainability initiatives.
09:35:29 There's lots of grant funding.
09:35:31 There's transportation funding for public space improvement,
09:35:34 introduction of sustainable programs, et cetera.
09:35:41 It's a wonderful platform for community messaging, in many
09:35:45 different ways.
09:35:46 You can promote festivals.
09:35:47 You can promote keep Tampa beautiful, all those types of
09:35:50 It's an eye-level solar panel.
09:35:54 This is one of the most catchable demonstrations of
09:35:57 environmental stewardship and sustainability that Tampa
09:35:59 could ever achieve.
09:36:01 Most of your green activities are in the back of the house
09:36:05 or the solar panel on top of the building which are
09:36:08 wonderful but nobody can see them.
09:36:09 And that's a wonderful, tangible demonstration.
09:36:12 Philadelphia has 900 of these deployed downtown.
09:36:16 They are dropping a million dollars to the bottom line.
09:36:20 $13 million over ten years.
09:36:22 Chicago is in the process of deploying 1600 of these.
09:36:25 They actually did an RFP for advertising.
09:36:27 And they are going to make tens of millions of dollars in
09:36:30 advertising over the period of a decade.
09:36:33 So I don't know if advertising is an appropriate discussion,
09:36:41 but certainly sponsorship with a corporate partner who has a
09:36:44 substantial footprint in town might provide an offset in
09:36:48 terms of some of the costs.
09:36:50 And this is just sort of a graphical demonstration of what
09:36:55 we would do in Ybor, downtown, and Ben T Davis beach.
09:37:01 As an example, about 220 big bellies would cover that and I
09:37:07 would ask you to suggest that sanitation take an immediate
09:37:12 look at where are your most painful areas and how can we
09:37:14 help immediately, this spring, prior to the RNC, prior to
09:37:20 all of the tourists and visitors coming, and improve the
09:37:23 external perception of Tampa, not that it's ill perceived
09:37:28 now but this would be a wonderful jolt in the arm in terms
09:37:32 of becoming a sustainable city.
09:37:34 Having said that, I will open it up for some questions.
09:37:37 And reactions.
09:37:40 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I can only say this, and then I will
09:37:42 yield to other council members.
09:37:43 Have you been to the administration?
09:37:45 Have you been to the RFP process? Has this been posted
09:37:51 You are talking about -- I don't know what kind of
09:37:53 government Philadelphia has, although we may or may not
09:37:58 agree with you, it's solely and administrative session in
09:38:01 the beginning of this, and I see you looking for some
09:38:05 sustainability on what you just said.
09:38:06 >> Yes, sir, we worked with your sanitation department over
09:38:10 the last year to deploy a very small initial pilot.
09:38:16 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I can understand all that, but today, I'm
09:38:19 caught in a real -- I have got audience behind you on an
09:38:23 item that's very dear to the heart, solid waste, I assume,
09:38:29 and I have other issues on this agenda, and if I start
09:38:31 debating this the next hour, there's two council members
09:38:35 that may not be here for that, and I don't want that to
09:38:38 So I want to know, just yes or no, have you met with the
09:38:41 Have you met with solid waste?
09:38:44 And was there reaction on the second part?
09:38:46 >> The answer is yes, but that investigation and discussion
09:38:50 is not complete yet sir.
09:38:52 >> Okay.
09:38:52 Thank you very much.
09:38:53 Any questions by council members?
09:38:55 >>FRANK REDDICK: Question.
09:39:01 You said it's four bins, right?
09:39:03 >> Yes, sir.
09:39:04 >>FRANK REDDICK: What's the cost saving that the city will
09:39:07 save on the four bins?
09:39:11 >> Nil because it's way too small to have any measure
09:39:15 usually financial results.
09:39:16 You have static trash cans completely surrounding that area.
09:39:19 The cost savings are associated with a large deployment
09:39:21 because then you are only bringing the trash truck when that
09:39:24 collection is required.
09:39:26 Eliminating any guesswork.
09:39:28 So with deployment of four, I think your administration
09:39:32 probably receives public feedback, positive feedback, but
09:39:38 other than that, there's in a financial results to be
09:39:41 gleaned from a deployment of four stations.
09:39:43 >>FRANK REDDICK: Let me ask a question.
09:39:47 Let me ask you -- and I want to respect the chairman and
09:39:51 what he stated earlier -- but where are you with discussion
09:40:02 pertaining to these particular bins? Are you looking to
09:40:04 expand from the four?
09:40:07 Or are you looking at discussing expansion, or having
09:40:12 negotiation was this group pertaining to -- what do we call
09:40:17 >> Tonja Brickhouse, director for solid waste environmental
09:40:22 program management.
09:40:23 To answer your question, yes.
09:40:25 One of the challenges that we have, we did the pilot in
09:40:29 November of 2010, approved the concept.
09:40:33 I think I provided a staff report as it relates to that.
09:40:36 The issue becomes the capital dollars going back, and the
09:40:40 conversations have been ongoing with waste management.
09:40:43 As it relates to big belly.
09:40:46 But the real issue is deciding when is the best time in
09:40:50 terms of capital dollars to be able to invest in a program
09:40:54 like this.
09:40:54 We see the benefits of it.
09:40:56 We are in agreement on that.
09:40:57 The issue becomes finding the right time for funding.
09:41:00 And so as you know, today, much of today's agenda is
09:41:03 relating to solid waste, solid waste system financial
09:41:09 So those discussions are ongoing.
09:41:11 In fact, I have a meeting with Mr. Criste this afternoon to
09:41:16 talk about where we are going in the future.
09:41:19 >>FRANK REDDICK: Thank you for that response.
09:41:22 Because I did read your report, and I saw your report that
09:41:26 you stated that one of those containers hold almost five
09:41:31 times as much trash as the current things you have out there
09:41:39 so I hope this will lead to some discussion, and that
09:41:42 somehow we can expand from the four.
09:41:46 So I thank you.
09:41:47 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Any other question by council members?
09:41:49 Ms. Capin?
09:41:50 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Yes.
09:41:54 I did talk to waste management back in 2010 at the League of
09:41:59 Cities when they had their set-up, and very interesting how
09:42:04 this works.
09:42:06 But is the price the same?
09:42:08 Or is it less by the quantity?
09:42:15 I remember discussing the price of each can.
09:42:19 >> At that time it wags $3700 per can.
09:42:23 And then hopefully this afternoon in our meeting I'll find
09:42:26 out if there have been any changes in the pricing scheme.
09:42:29 But if you divide that by 700 per can, you come up with
09:42:35 roughly the same.
09:42:37 So if you want to do the numbers.
09:42:41 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Thank you.
09:42:42 >>LISA MONTELIONE: More of a comment than a question.
09:42:45 Several times, I brought forward the idea that we have to
09:42:50 look outside the box to solve our problems, especially in
09:42:55 recycling because the technology is there, it's advanced
09:42:58 light years, in recent times from what recycling used to be
09:43:05 to what it is today, and there are a variety, not just this
09:43:08 one, that we heard about today, but I don't know how much
09:43:14 stronger we can be in a recommendation, especially in light
09:43:17 of our deficit in the solid waste department, and
09:43:20 particularly the recycling program, that we really get
09:43:23 moving on some kind of innovative program, and really do
09:43:31 something that will have a triple bottom line to the city
09:43:38 and its citizens.
09:43:39 Thank you.
09:43:39 >> In fact, what I will do is I will plan on coming at
09:43:43 another time just to brief you on the initiatives that we
09:43:46 are doing as it relates to recycling.
09:43:48 >>LISA MONTELIONE: That would be wonderful.
09:43:50 Thank you.
09:43:51 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you all very much.
09:43:52 Any other council members?
09:43:53 Thank you all for attending.
09:43:56 All right.
09:43:58 We go to the approval of the agenda.
09:44:01 >> Moved.
09:44:04 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Motion by Mr. Reddick, seconded by Mrs.
09:44:07 All in favor of the motion please indicate by saying aye.
09:44:09 Opposed nay.
09:44:10 The Ayes have it unanimously.
09:44:12 We go to the approval of the addendum to the agenda.
09:44:14 Motion made by --
09:44:16 >>FRANK REDDICK: Reddick.
09:44:20 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Second bid Mr. Suarez.
09:44:21 All in favor of that motion please indicate by saying aye.
09:44:23 Opposed nay.
09:44:24 The Ayes have it unanimously.
09:44:26 We go to public comment for three minutes up to 30 minutes.
09:44:30 Those that would like to speak on items on the agenda first,
09:44:34 please come up and then the remaining period for those items
09:44:39 not on the agenda.
09:44:39 Yes, ma'am.
09:44:40 Please come forward.
09:44:41 >> My name is Carol Cameron.
09:44:58 I live at 3316 north San Miguel and I'm here to speak about
09:45:03 solid waste situation.
09:45:06 I'm passing out a letter that some of you may have already
09:45:09 And I wanted to discuss some issues on it.
09:45:11 Primarily, one of the issues that I wanted to discuss is
09:45:14 recycling, and Mrs. Montelione mentioned that recycling
09:45:21 program is costing the city money.
09:45:22 I think most people don't realize that.
09:45:24 That I heard a figure of $3 million a year.
09:45:27 Why are we continuing to do a program that we want to be
09:45:31 politically correct on recycling, and I understand that's
09:45:35 the thing we want to do, but is it worth $3 million a year
09:45:40 to the city?
09:45:42 If some of these programs that we are talking about could
09:45:44 actually be a zero cost, or even a positive cost, and one of
09:45:51 my items, number 4, was where I was discussing that on this
09:45:58 Why continue it if there's some other options that might be
09:46:00 considered such as putting public recycling that might
09:46:05 actually be a zero cost or make some money for the city?
09:46:09 Can the residential people -- and I live in an area where
09:46:12 recycling is done -- are there certain items that are not
09:46:16 cost effective and certain items that are cost effective?
09:46:18 Because, frankly, if I know the city is losing $3 million a
09:46:21 year, why I going to continue to recycle?
09:46:24 I think that's just absurd on its face.
09:46:28 Other issues that I had, I understand costs sometimes have
09:46:32 to go up because of situations.
09:46:34 But I don't want costs to go up when I think at least all
09:46:40 the questions have not been answered, and that's what some
09:46:42 of these are doing.
09:46:44 Has the route been looked at to make sure they are being run
09:46:48 the most efficient way as UPS does?
09:46:51 They make sure they make mostly right turns and things like
09:46:54 Has that been done?
09:46:55 There may be answers to these questions, but I don't know
09:46:59 Can real savings be gained by privatizing?
09:47:03 I know the county privatizes.
09:47:04 They believe it's cheaper.
09:47:06 I don't know, the city has done that in the past, then went
09:47:09 back to doing it themselves.
09:47:11 I think at least it should be put out for a bid to see if it
09:47:14 can be saved.
09:47:17 What are these salary increases in relationship to the rate
09:47:20 increases? I used to own my own business.
09:47:22 I can tell you that what is 12% added for five years adds up
09:47:26 to about 76, 78%, and I know as a business owner, I could
09:47:32 not have gone with that.
09:47:34 And also, just two other quick things.
09:47:36 Can we go to once a week pickup, and then people might pay
09:47:40 if they need two?
09:47:42 The alley services, that costs 1.5 million a year.
09:47:45 They should pay extra, not whole city.
09:47:48 And how about the cost to pick up Gasparilla?
09:47:50 Shouldn't that be another department that wants Gasparilla
09:47:55 and why should that be the solid waste?
09:47:57 I thank you for your time.
09:47:59 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
09:47:59 Next, please.
09:48:00 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Mr. Chair, because of the number of people
09:48:03 that stood up to -- I think we are going to have to maybe
09:48:07 try to make a decision now as opposed to waiting later to
09:48:10 extend the time, or to make the comments shorter.
09:48:15 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Let me say this.
09:48:16 Maybe they are only going to speak for a minute.
09:48:17 I really don't know.
09:48:18 Maybe somebody says what they were going to say and they
09:48:21 will cut it short. I don't want to cut them off.
09:48:23 But at that time we'll make that decision.
09:48:25 Thank you so very much for that.
09:48:26 Yes, ma'am.
09:48:26 >> My name is Sherry Simon, 911 east shadowlawn Avenue, the
09:48:32 president of southeast Seminole Heights civic.
09:48:36 I'm here about the Trinity Cafe.
09:48:39 I applaud them.
09:48:41 I have no problem with what they are doing.
09:48:42 I have a problem with where they plan on doing it.
09:48:48 I was a stakeholder in the FDOT renaming of Nebraska.
09:48:54 I have been on the zoning projects since the very first
09:49:00 Monday, I attended a meeting of a beginning study to
09:49:07 revitalize downtown Tampa, and the transit corridor, which I
09:49:12 believe is at the initiation. Mayor.
09:49:16 What I am trying to understand is how you can zone a free
09:49:23 giveaway soup kitchen as a restaurant to skirt the zoning
09:49:28 and put it on a main corridor, where we are trying
09:49:32 desperately to encourage commercial restaurants, and who
09:49:41 serve the community that lives there and that works there
09:49:45 and make it beautiful to those people who come into our
09:49:52 All the neighborhood that are along that Nebraska corridor
09:49:55 have worked their butts off every day.
09:49:59 They are down there all the time to try to make improvements
09:50:03 in our corridors and our neighborhoods.
09:50:05 And I consider this kind of a back door establishment I
09:50:10 don't think it's right.
09:50:13 You know, I not even in my neighborhood, by the way, but it
09:50:17 affects all of us along the corridor.
09:50:19 And I do not understand it, and I just want you to think
09:50:22 very, very much about what you are going to do here, because
09:50:24 we work hard, all of us, including the city, to try to build
09:50:28 the corridor and to make a good entry.
09:50:30 And I think this is a very big backward step.
09:50:35 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
09:50:36 Next, please.
09:50:36 >> Susan Long, East Broad Street.
09:50:47 You want to talk about the trash rates.
09:50:48 You know, I am old enough to get the senior citizens
09:50:51 discount on the trash.
09:50:52 I have never considered doing it.
09:50:54 I figured, you know, I pay the same rates as everybody else
09:50:57 just because I lived a few extra years I shouldn't
09:51:01 necessarily get a discount.
09:51:02 I'm not starving to death.
09:51:03 But you raise the rates and I and everybody I know 65 and up
09:51:08 will be signing up for that discount, because this is
09:51:12 If I moved to the county, I would have lowered trash rates.
09:51:17 I know pickup for this and this.
09:51:21 It's lower than what we pay and you are talking about
09:51:24 raising basically 12% per annum for the next four or five
09:51:28 years and I am not going to be able to afford -- well, I
09:51:31 should say, this it's going to be much more difficult for
09:51:33 And I am comfortable, not rich, but comfortably well off,
09:51:37 and some of my neighbors are not.
09:51:39 Some of them just flat-out cannot afford this.
09:51:41 This is just wrong.
09:51:42 Put it out on an RFP.
09:51:45 If the county can do it with private haulers, we can, too.
09:51:48 There's absolutely no reason that this rate should go up.
09:51:51 The third thing I want to talk about is the Trinity Cafe.
09:51:54 I live in Seminole Heights.
09:51:56 I live north of Hillsborough.
09:51:57 I do not live where the Trinity Cafe is going in.
09:52:00 We have struggled for years to renovate, restore, upgrade
09:52:06 our commercial corridors in our residential areas.
09:52:09 Residential areas are really very nice in most places.
09:52:12 The commercial corridors, we have struggled with.
09:52:15 We have a handful of really nice businesses.
09:52:17 They have done a beautiful job.
09:52:20 The independents, a few others that have done a great job,
09:52:24 to take cafe that even their Web site says over 200 people
09:52:30 line up hours before the meals are served, waiting for the,
09:52:35 quote, restaurant to open, is not beneficial.
09:52:39 Our main north-south corridors are Florida and Nebraska and
09:52:42 the interstate.
09:52:43 And you want to put this in the middle of those corridors.
09:52:47 It's just wrong. It's not a restaurant. It shouldn't be a
09:52:51 Why are we the only section of town that has all the social
09:52:55 services? If somebody decided to put this on Davis Island,
09:52:59 or Bayshore, or Old Hyde Parkville I on or New Tampa, there
09:53:04 would be such an uproar it would never get this far.
09:53:07 But because when live in central Tampa it's okay.
09:53:09 We carry the burden for all the social services in this
09:53:12 city -- not all, the variety majority of the social services
09:53:15 in the city.
09:53:15 And it's time to share the wealth.
09:53:17 Thank you.
09:53:18 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much. Next, please.
09:53:23 >> Good morning. Spencer Kass representing Virginia park
09:53:29 neighborhood association.
09:53:30 Some of the hundreds of people that have written to you over
09:53:32 the trash rate issue in the City of Tampa.
09:53:36 569, 69 on your agenda.
09:53:39 This morning you are going to hear about a department that
09:53:42 has absolutely no concern for the small businesses and
09:53:46 residents in the City of Tampa.
09:53:49 Small businesses are struggling to get by.
09:53:52 When we had our candidate forum, every single neighborhood,
09:53:54 every single person on this council spoke about supporting
09:53:57 neighborhoods and supporting small business.
09:54:00 I would like to know under their plan where you are going to
09:54:05 have 12% of your increases.
09:54:07 That means if you have a commercial account, take 1,000 a
09:54:10 month, you will be up $1,762 just in rate increases.
09:54:15 That doesn't include anything for their franchise fee which
09:54:18 I assure you will be passed on in the commercial haulers to
09:54:20 the small businesses.
09:54:22 That's a 76% increase.
09:54:25 76% increase.
09:54:26 That's over $7,000 additional out of a small business'
09:54:30 pocket a year.
09:54:31 I don't know how it is that you expect anybody to absorb
09:54:35 those sorts of expenses.
09:54:36 On the residential side you are talking about a 38% increase
09:54:41 It's not right, council.
09:54:43 This department has not done everything within its power to
09:54:46 curtail expenses.
09:54:47 They haven't provided us with a business plan.
09:54:51 How is it going to work going forward?
09:54:54 Why has this department given out increases in salaries --
09:54:58 and by the way, their future production shows continuing
09:55:00 increases in salaries.
09:55:02 You have a department that says, we are struggling to get
09:55:04 by, yet we have money to give out raises.
09:55:07 And if they do it for one person they feel they have to do
09:55:10 it for everybody.
09:55:11 Well, that's their front. Is supposed to be an independent
09:55:14 department that works like a business.
09:55:15 It's not.
09:55:16 It's working as a government subsidized, bizarre little
09:55:20 thing that basically goes around and says we are going to
09:55:22 spend what we want to spend and then we are going to show up
09:55:24 at this council and we are going to show that bond covenants
09:55:30 require us to raise rates.
09:55:31 If it's not my job to tell you all what to do.
09:55:35 You are the elected officials.
09:55:36 You decide if you want to raise rates.
09:55:42 The department cut their expenses down to the point they
09:55:44 have to cut them to live within their means just like every
09:55:47 citizen and every person on this council has to do.
09:55:50 That's all we are asking.
09:55:50 Live within your means.
09:55:52 We said, why don't you put out a request for proposal?
09:55:54 Why don't you find out if it can be provided cheaper by
09:55:57 private companies?
09:55:58 They are not interested in that.
09:55:59 That's what we were told.
09:56:00 We are not interested in that, and you can't tell us what to
09:56:03 Well, now what?
09:56:07 It's entirely under your discretion if you want to increase
09:56:10 those rates or not.
09:56:11 All you have to do is say no.
09:56:13 I promise you they are not going to -- let's take worse case
09:56:18 scenarios, the bond goes to junk status, you can buy them
09:56:21 back at ten cents on the dollar.
09:56:23 That's not the worst thing in the world either.
09:56:25 At the same time maybe you all have to live within your
09:56:27 means. Now what?
09:56:28 Because many people in this city feel that would be
09:56:31 appropriate. My time is up. I thank you all for the time.
09:56:34 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thanks very much.
09:56:35 Next, please.
09:56:35 >>> Michael wade, Ballast Point, for the trash pickup.
09:56:44 I read the statement and can't understand why the City of
09:56:48 Tampa wants to start age discrimination making younger
09:56:53 people pay for their trash than older people.
09:56:57 Do you have statistics that older people produce young
09:57:00 Maybe younger people produce less trash.
09:57:03 Get my point?
09:57:05 Are you trying to give one set of people in a group a
09:57:08 special discount, you disenfranchise the other whose have to
09:57:11 pay for the subsidy.
09:57:12 We are all in this together and everybody needs to pay their
09:57:14 fair share.
09:57:16 Let's look at how ho is plowing all the trash.
09:57:19 I live in a singe household, produce about one blue
09:57:22 container once a week.
09:57:25 I keep the every other day thing.
09:57:27 And also see household in my neighborhood is that have three
09:57:31 or four blue bins.
09:57:33 How about you charge for every bin over one extra $5 a month
09:57:38 for their extra trash?
09:57:40 That would be more of a fair "pay as you go" system than to
09:57:44 engage in discrimination because of age.
09:57:47 CNN the other day reported that since the year 2000, there's
09:57:51 been a 30% increase in multi-generational household.
09:57:56 That means two or three generations could be living in the
09:57:59 same household, and they produce ten times the trash as
09:58:02 someone in a single household.
09:58:06 Put the utility bill in grandma's name.
09:58:09 Is that fair?
09:58:10 No, it's not.
09:58:11 How about families with kids?
09:58:12 They produce a lot of trash, diapers, stuff like that.
09:58:16 I also suggest the city go up the 2010 population census and
09:58:22 charge per person per household.
09:58:24 Everybody produces trash.
09:58:27 That would be a lot fairer system than younger people paying
09:58:30 more than older people.
09:58:30 How about giving a discount to those who recycle?
09:58:34 The place of aluminum is skyrocketing with every other metal
09:58:39 commodity and these trash campaigns are making a ton of
09:58:42 money off people recycling.
09:58:43 Where is that money going?
09:58:44 Do you guys in the city get a kickback on that?
09:58:48 How about incentive of a few dollars every month to people
09:58:52 who recycle, and produce less trash in the landfills.
09:58:57 Put a bar code on the trash recycling bin and when it gets
09:59:00 dumped it registers and they can produce a couple bucks that
09:59:03 you give back to the people.
09:59:05 Also, since the economy has slowed, I know myself, I buy
09:59:09 When I buy less, I produce less trash.
09:59:17 You see the same truck going by two, three times a day.
09:59:20 Is this guy lost?
09:59:21 I'm not paying for his extra gas, okay?
09:59:23 And I am getting really tired of subsidizing other people.
09:59:26 51% of my tax bill is going for schools.
09:59:29 I don't have any kids.
09:59:30 Why should I be paying for all the other people having kids?
09:59:32 I mean, all this stuff is discrimination.
09:59:37 Anyway, I ask council that you take my comments into
09:59:40 consideration and not discriminate.
09:59:43 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much. Next, please.
09:59:44 >>> My name is Veve Sotolongo, and I live on 17th Avenue
09:59:58 where the restaurant/cafe is supposed to be.
10:00:01 I have lived there for 30 years.
10:00:03 And I oppose this.
10:00:06 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you so very much. Next, please.
10:00:08 >> Kim Headland, president of the VM Ybor neighborhood
10:00:14 association and I would like to ask that I utilize my
10:00:18 husband's three minutes as well.
10:00:19 We have about 40 residents.
10:00:21 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have to get a legal opinion here.
10:00:23 It calls for three minutes per person.
10:00:25 We don't have time sharing that you can add.
10:00:28 On this part of the agenda.
10:00:29 I'm sorry.
10:00:30 >>> Okay.
10:00:33 In the summer of 2011 representatives from Trinity Cafe
10:00:37 presented information regarding plans to relocate to 2801
10:00:40 north Nebraska Avenue.
10:00:41 One parcel removed from the state's most unique national
10:00:44 historic landmark district.
10:00:46 They currently serve 315 individuals per day per their
10:00:50 presentation to us.
10:00:51 That includes box lunches and their dining facility.
10:00:53 When they relocate, they plan to increase that by 20%.
10:00:57 By our calculations, that will mean serving approximately
10:01:01 380 meals a day and they want to do it seven days a week.
10:01:05 It's unclear why they would move decentralizing services
10:01:09 currently provided by the Salvation Army.
10:01:10 We ask them to consider a training kitchen.
10:01:14 We ask them to consider even utilizing it as a food pantry.
10:01:20 Emphatic and they didn't know.
10:01:21 When we classify Trinity Cafe as a restaurant eliminating
10:01:28 the need for any rezoning, it obviously upset residents.
10:01:32 Even drive-through restaurants would require two City
10:01:35 Council hearings, and the health agency where substantial
10:01:41 queuing is involved is not allowed.
10:01:44 The property is immediately adjacent to single family
10:01:47 This illustrates a much bigger problem, the amount of
10:01:54 residential property, and this illustrates a much bigger
10:01:59 problem of both antiquated zoning matrix and uses and res
10:02:06 It shows how the city deals with homelessness and the lack
10:02:11 of opportunity for residents to have a voice in this
10:02:15 A process that will significantly impact our community.
10:02:20 Other cities address this.
10:02:21 Fort Myers calls it a social service facility.
10:02:24 St. Petersburg deals with it, in no cases are they allowed
10:02:28 in commercial general zones.
10:02:30 A few things to note.
10:02:33 Queuing of 308 people in single family residences is not the
10:02:37 same as a restaurant.
10:02:38 According to stats provided by TPD there was a 60% increase
10:02:42 in crime once Trinity moved into the Salvation Army
10:02:46 60% increase.
10:02:48 We have more than 140 incidents of part one crime per year.
10:02:53 That was last year.
10:02:54 60% we can't handle that.
10:02:58 This relocation will have an impact on crime in our
10:03:01 It will overburden TPD and negatively impact the quality of
10:03:05 Most definitely this will deter any positive redevelopment.
10:03:10 We simply -- it's simply not the same as a restaurant.
10:03:13 The impact is just different.
10:03:16 We worked hard for years and years to address some difficult
10:03:19 issues with prostitution, open air drug selling to arsons.
10:03:23 We have been recognized by the county for our monthly
10:03:27 We actually physically built our new playground in our
10:03:32 We have done a lot.
10:03:33 We are trying to do our part.
10:03:37 What we are asking today is we are striving toward the
10:03:40 stabilization of our historic community.
10:03:42 Please consider the impact this will have and direct the
10:03:46 zoning department to reevaluate --
10:03:49 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
10:03:51 Mr. Reddick?
10:03:52 >>FRANK REDDICK: Did you bring any photos?
10:03:58 Did you bring any photos?
10:03:59 >> Several.
10:04:00 Like I said, we have about --
10:04:02 >>FRANK REDDICK: Okay.
10:04:06 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Her husband is certainly entitled to
10:04:07 speak if you wish. Next, please.
10:04:09 >> My name is Liz Smith, 2918 north 10th street in Ybor.
10:04:19 I have lived there all my life since my parents built my
10:04:22 house when I was three years old.
10:04:24 I have chosen not to leave my community.
10:04:27 My grandparents helped build Ybor City by working in the
10:04:31 cigar factory.
10:04:32 I have lived through urban renewal where they put the
10:04:35 expressway right through the best part of my home.
10:04:38 Every day I get calls on the phone from the TPD telling me
10:04:41 that there is yet another pedophile living in my
10:04:44 neighborhood on Nebraska.
10:04:46 I watch my neighbors with small children trying to make a
10:04:50 home in my beloved place where I get a lot of mixed messages
10:04:54 where we are calling Ybor such a beloved historic place, but
10:04:58 we can let someone sneak in and put yet another soup kitchen
10:05:02 on my corner where I have had personal experience with this,
10:05:08 where some very well-intentioned nuns a block away wherever
10:05:12 from me put a soup kitchen where I had people putting their
10:05:15 shopping carts in my lawn, urinating on my lawn, living in
10:05:18 my bushes, breaking into my house.
10:05:20 This is just wrong.
10:05:23 It's wrong.
10:05:24 It's the wrong place to put it.
10:05:26 No one has a problem feeding the homeless.
10:05:28 But work with the community.
10:05:30 Please respect us.
10:05:31 We are doing our best.
10:05:32 Build a good community here.
10:05:35 And please stop -- someone used the term disenfranchising.
10:05:40 That is what you have done to our community.
10:05:41 You haven't given us a voice, and where they come into our
10:05:47 own living room.
10:05:48 Please, I ask you to listen to us, and listen to the people
10:05:51 who are here today.
10:05:53 They have come from work.
10:05:55 They have come from disability.
10:05:59 They work every day.
10:06:00 They work every weekend to keep the community clean.
10:06:03 Please listen to us for once, and please put this place
10:06:06 where it belongs.
10:06:08 Thank you very much.
10:06:09 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much. Next, please.
10:06:10 >>> Members, thank you for having me here.
10:06:16 I agree that Trinity's --
10:06:20 >> I need your name and address.
10:06:21 >> My name is Pete Montero, 2917 ninth street and I am a
10:06:26 lifetime member of that community.
10:06:30 In facts I was there when mayor Nuccio lived two blocks down
10:06:33 from where I live presently.
10:06:38 And Trinity is a wonderful entity serving a laudable
10:06:45 Where it is presently located.
10:06:47 Along with the Salvation Army.
10:06:51 There are problems.
10:06:52 There must be problems that exist between the Salvation Army
10:06:55 and the Trinity Cafe.
10:06:57 If there were no problems, then the Trinity Cafe would not
10:07:00 be wanting to move from that location.
10:07:04 I ask that these members consider investigating what those
10:07:10 problems are, talking to these people, and trying to
10:07:14 negotiate through communication.
10:07:19 To fix whatever the problem is between the Salvation Army
10:07:22 and the Trinity Cafe.
10:07:25 They both serve the public need, in the very same way.
10:07:29 They are made to live together like man and wife.
10:07:35 Our neighborhood took a really big hit when the economic
10:07:42 crisis took place.
10:07:45 We have boarded up houses.
10:07:46 We have houses, many houses in foreclosure.
10:07:50 We are struggling to rebuild a community to a level that it
10:07:55 was when mayor Nuccio proudly lived in the Ybor
10:08:03 I ask again that this board, and you members, communicate
10:08:11 with the Salvation Army and the Trinity Cafe people solve
10:08:20 the problems and keep the Trinity Cafe in its present
10:08:25 It is by no stretch of the imagination a restaurant.
10:08:30 If anyone thinks it, they are wrong.
10:08:34 Please help us.
10:08:37 We want stability in this neighborhood, not more chaos.
10:08:41 Please help us.
10:08:42 Thank you very much.
10:08:43 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much, sir. Next, please.
10:08:48 >> No, let's just continue with the meeting.
10:08:50 The more we stop the longer it's going to get.
10:08:53 >>> Carol Joseph Marshall, VM Ybor.
10:08:58 I am here this morning to ask you to not let this cafe
10:09:07 Years ago, Tampa Heights, myself involved, tried to work
10:09:15 with them.
10:09:16 We asked them to have the homeless part of Trinity Cafe,
10:09:23 keeping the area around the cafe clean.
10:09:25 We were told that they could not manage the homeless outside
10:09:29 of the facility.
10:09:31 This will be history repeating itself.
10:09:35 The Ybor neighborhood will have people.
10:09:37 The reason -- in doorways, littering all over the streets,
10:09:45 the Salvation Army is cannot control the homeless once they
10:09:49 are off their property.
10:09:51 Just so you know, the cafe will be located within the
10:09:55 boundaries of Tampa Heights neighborhood plan, the first
10:09:59 neighborhood plan ratified by the City of Tampa, and also
10:10:03 located in the boundary of East Tampa CRA.
10:10:09 We are busy trying to revitalize the area so that we can
10:10:12 attract investors and developers to help our community grow.
10:10:21 Allowing this property for that specific use will be a
10:10:25 detriment to all that we have done in all our efforts thus
10:10:30 I'm also here asking you to not approve the increase for the
10:10:34 solid waste.
10:10:36 Thank you.
10:10:38 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you.
10:10:38 Next, please.
10:10:40 Next, please.
10:10:44 >> My name is Bonnie Garcia, and I live at 1017-17th
10:10:51 Seven years ago, I lived in Carrollwood.
10:10:53 I had lived there.
10:10:54 I lived in Carrollwood for 30 years.
10:10:57 I would have never, ever thought of moving to Ybor.
10:11:01 I worked at the Tampa Electric data center in Ybor.
10:11:05 Every day I would come in to work early and I would get off
10:11:08 at Floribraska, drive in to go to work when it was dark and
10:11:14 I had to stop for a stoplight, I was really, really nervous
10:11:17 that someone was going to get me because I heard so many bad
10:11:21 stories about Ybor.
10:11:22 And then seven years ago I met my husband, who was restoring
10:11:28 the house that he was born in, that his grandmother built
10:11:31 when she came from Italy in 1924.
10:11:34 I thought it was a beautiful house, but there was no way I
10:11:37 was going to live in that house.
10:11:39 I thought, will we get it finished, and I can talk him into
10:11:43 selling it to maybe some young couple that wants to move in
10:11:46 closer to town because they work downtown.
10:11:49 Three years ago, we found out about the VM Ybor association.
10:11:54 We started going to the meetings, the monthly meetings, we
10:12:00 met all these young people that are trying so hard to
10:12:04 rebuild this area.
10:12:06 And in the three years that I have been -- I have seen so
10:12:09 much done to build this neighborhood up.
10:12:13 We still, every day I get an e-mail or phone call about a
10:12:16 sexual predator, or we get a crime report of something going
10:12:19 on in our neighborhood, but I can see it better. In
10:12:24 November I was excited about moving into this neighborhood
10:12:27 because I see how it's growing.
10:12:29 But I know by putting the cafe there that we are going to
10:12:34 have trash.
10:12:38 This is what's outside the street right along the Salvation
10:12:42 The people in our neighborhood go once a month, every first
10:12:46 Sunday of the month, they are out there cleaning up the
10:12:50 If we have Trinity Cafe move in and we have this kind of
10:12:53 trash in our neighborhood, they are going to spend every
10:12:55 Sunday right there around the neighborhood cleaning that
10:12:59 The rest of the area is not going to be cleaned up.
10:13:03 I think as six council members you want our city, especially
10:13:07 everybody who lives in the north, Carrollwood area, like I
10:13:10 did, when they come in to Ybor, they get off at Floribraska,
10:13:15 they go down Nebraska.
10:13:16 We want to beautify it.
10:13:18 We don't want to mess it up.
10:13:20 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
10:13:20 Next, please.
10:13:22 We are about five minutes away from the 30 minutes of the
10:13:26 I will ask then.
10:13:27 >> My name is Heather Frankel, the 12 east Ross Avenue.
10:13:32 I am a Tampa Heights resident.
10:13:35 That said, I do completely support Ybor City's or VM Ybor's
10:13:41 plight on the Trinity Cafe.
10:13:42 That also said, ensuring the social services, Tampa Heights
10:13:47 bar none has the highest concentration of social services in
10:13:50 the central city area.
10:13:53 And therefore I don't want Trinity to continue in our
10:13:57 neighborhood, but I don't wish it on Ybor City either.
10:14:02 I live at palm and Florida Avenue.
10:14:06 The residential area starts pretty much at that north
10:14:08 section there, and heads up to MLK.
10:14:12 I can attest to the foot traffic that goes by my house every
10:14:16 single day, many of which leaves the Salvation Army after
10:14:19 feeding, they defecate, they urinate on my property, and
10:14:23 then I have caught them, I have seen them, I have called the
10:14:26 It happens.
10:14:28 Okay, that's extreme and it's disgusting: But let's just
10:14:31 talk about the trash on a daily basis.
10:14:33 And it's my understanding Trinity Cafe will be allowed to
10:14:39 serve inside and people won't be leaving with food.
10:14:42 It's still loitering, at least 300 people into an area some
10:14:45 of which were not there before and will be there now.
10:14:50 You know, it will cause a lot of problems.
10:14:52 Like I said, I live in Tampa Heights right near Metropolitan
10:14:56 Ministries and Salvation Army.
10:14:57 And I get foot traffic all day long.
10:15:00 And it's a problem.
10:15:01 Not all of them are criminals but plenty of them are.
10:15:03 And it just comes with a problem.
10:15:07 And being that it's a residential area right behind that
10:15:10 Trinity Cafe, they don't deserve that.
10:15:17 As well, Nebraska Avenue is a gateway into our city, and I
10:15:20 know that it's a big plan for Mayor Buckhorn.
10:15:23 I know it's on his plan to beautify, to make better.
10:15:28 To be an economic force in the central area of Tampa.
10:15:33 And having that cafe also classified as a restaurant, it is
10:15:37 nothing like -- and I will give a wonderful example --
10:15:40 ELLA's cafe on Nebraska Avenue, an amazing example of what a
10:15:44 restaurant can do for an area, for an economy and do it the
10:15:47 right way.
10:15:48 Trinity Cafe is not that.
10:15:49 It's clearly not a restaurant, and it should not be allowed
10:15:53 to be on Nebraska Avenue, nor stay in Tampa Heights.
10:15:57 But thank you.
10:15:58 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much. Next, please.
10:15:59 >>> Hello. My name is Ellis Bailey, I live at 2701 north
10:16:10 Pine Street.
10:16:11 And I'm strongly against the Trinity Cafe.
10:16:16 I do not feel comfortable with like hundreds of people
10:16:20 coming to our neighborhood, and I'm against it.
10:16:25 Thank you for your time.
10:16:27 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much, sir. Next, please.
10:16:29 >> My name is Lizzy Bailey. I live at 2701 north Pine
10:16:36 Street, and I don't think anyone believes that the homeless
10:16:42 are bad.
10:16:44 It's just that some homeless are bad, and they ruin it for
10:16:51 the rest of them.
10:16:52 And so now they basically have the label of homeless are
10:16:56 bad, but that's not true.
10:17:00 But opposing Trinity Cafe will actually help the homeless
10:17:04 and our neighborhood, because if they actually bring it
10:17:08 here, they are taking them away from all of the other
10:17:11 services for the homeless.
10:17:14 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much. Next, please.
10:17:17 >> I'm Kelly Bailey, the president of the Ybor neighborhood
10:17:23 association, I am going to talk very, very fast and I hope
10:17:27 you all can listen fast.
10:17:29 I am going to have my daughter show the pictures that we
10:17:31 took this past Sunday.
10:17:33 I live literally two blocks from the proposed Trinity Cafe
10:17:36 We met with Trinity Cafe a couple of times now regarding
10:17:39 their plans and they have never answered our questions.
10:17:43 Kim mentioned some of the statistics.
10:17:45 We fall within an area that has one to 4.9% homeless which
10:17:49 is probably similar to most of the neighborhoods that you
10:17:51 all live in.
10:17:55 Also the drop in poverty over a four county area.
10:17:58 There's a report that was released late last year that shows
10:18:01 Based on statistics, I think we have to ask ourselves why
10:18:04 Trinity Cafe would choose to move their operations to our
10:18:08 neighborhood because from what I have read decentralizing
10:18:11 services does not help the homeless.
10:18:13 We are also a national historic landmark district.
10:18:17 The building that they are talking about renovating is not
10:18:20 in keeping with historic fabric of our neighborhood.
10:18:23 They are also talking about tearing down a historic
10:18:25 bungalow, which I understand is the grandmother of the Latam
10:18:31 family or something down in -- again not in keeping with the
10:18:37 historic fabric of the neighborhood.
10:18:39 One was at St. Peter Claver church on north Nebraska Avenue.
10:18:44 They had the same issues that they have now at the Salvation
10:18:47 Army location where there was defense I indication,
10:18:51 urination and men sleeping there overnight.
10:18:53 In one of these pictures you can see there's a no
10:18:56 trespassing sign that's obviously not enforced either by the
10:18:58 police or by Trinity Cafe.
10:19:00 They are planning on bringing 200 to 400 homeless people to
10:19:03 mostly our residential area every day of the week.
10:19:06 We have a total of 1700 residents per the latest census
10:19:11 This is bringing a high percentage of homeless people that
10:19:13 don't currently reside in our neighborhood to our
10:19:15 neighborhood every single day.
10:19:17 Why is the quality of life going to be threatened for the
10:19:20 majority of our residents for a group of people who don't
10:19:23 even reside here to begin with?
10:19:24 It is not -- it can greatly affect our neighborhood be
10:19:32 aligned with no public input for people that reside here
10:19:36 over 50 years and also pay taxes, and admit they had don't
10:19:40 know who their clientele is so the possibility of bringing a
10:19:43 high number of people to our area is very real.
10:19:45 We have worked diligently to stabilize our neighborhood over
10:19:48 the last several years.
10:19:49 I love our neighborhood with the diversity and the history.
10:19:53 This is not an issue about not wanting to help the homeless.
10:19:57 The city zoning, you guys should be working, our city zoning
10:20:01 should be working on a plan to help the homeless issue, like
10:20:04 St. Pete has already done.
10:20:05 I am going asking that City Council request the zoning
10:20:08 department update their matrix that would include a
10:20:11 designation for soup kitchen would never be allowed in the
10:20:14 CG zoning in our neighborhood.
10:20:17 Thank you.
10:20:17 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
10:20:20 The next outbursts, please keep it to yourself.
10:20:26 I can't run a meeting and continue to have disruption.
10:20:28 I just can't do it.
10:20:30 So you all do what you want to do.
10:20:32 I'm just saying what I have to do.
10:20:35 All right, we have exhausted our 30 minutes.
10:20:37 I would like the council to give me an additional 20 minutes
10:20:40 with one minute each for the next speaker.
10:20:42 >> So moved.
10:20:45 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Motion by Mr. Cohen, second by Mr.
10:20:48 All in favor of that motion, please indicate by saying aye.
10:20:51 Opposed nay.
10:20:51 The ayes have it unanimously. Next, please.
10:20:53 >> Peter Johnson. I want to talk on two things.
10:20:57 One about the trash problem.
10:20:59 When I lived in the city of Plantation over in
10:21:01 Ft. Lauderdale, you brought the trash bags to the grocery
10:21:07 store. They were made by the city or had city stamped on
10:21:09 them and you were charged by how many bags are used.
10:21:13 On this Trinity Cafe thing, the problem is that this is the
10:21:18 responsibility of the administration to regulate businesses,
10:21:23 whether it's a charitable business or not and for them to
10:21:30 come up with this story that this is a historical decision,
10:21:34 this is ridiculous.
10:21:34 If you remember Faith Cafe on Kennedy Boulevard -- the
10:21:40 entire street was nothing but drugs and prostitutes.
10:21:42 This is the same thing.
10:21:45 I mean, if crime went up then, it's going to go up now.
10:21:50 This is ridiculous.
10:21:53 TPD can't control the drugs and prostitution, as hard as
10:21:58 they try.
10:21:59 You can have a hell of a time trying to control the crowd.
10:22:02 Thank you.
10:22:03 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much, sir.
10:22:04 I appreciate it. Next, please.
10:22:06 >> Wesley Warren, president, Hampton terrace neighborhood
10:22:12 association, in reference to the rate increase.
10:22:13 Much of what I was going to say has been said so I will
10:22:16 simply say this.
10:22:18 The question is timing of this rate increase.
10:22:19 We all know the state of the economy.
10:22:21 We all know the state of the housing industry.
10:22:24 There are many, many people in my neighborhood as well as
10:22:27 the city who simply cannot afford this rate increase.
10:22:31 Thank you.
10:22:32 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much, sir. Next, please.
10:22:33 >> Don Rhode, 412 Madison street.
10:22:43 Item number 64, your comprehensive homeless assistance plan,
10:22:46 is referenced number 4, says that council should come back
10:22:52 with its own ideas as to what it might do to address the
10:22:56 homeless issue.
10:22:58 I would recommend strongly to you that you heard a lot of
10:23:02 comments so far this morning, one suggesting that when you
10:23:06 decentralize homeless services, you hurt them.
10:23:09 Another saying that why should it all be in one spot?
10:23:13 I believe the best way to deal with this in the long-term is
10:23:16 to do it through the Land Development Code, the building
10:23:18 code, to put it in smaller areas so that one area is not hit
10:23:22 with it all, that the whole city shares the burden equally.
10:23:26 I have worked on the issues since 1987.
10:23:30 I am fairly familiar with what went on with Catholic
10:23:33 charities by the fairgrounds and what went on with Catholic
10:23:36 charities in Pinellas County, what still goes on, and I
10:23:38 recommend strongly that you take a big look at it.
10:23:41 Thank you.
10:23:42 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thanks very much, sir.
10:23:43 Next, please.
10:23:44 >> Good morning.
10:23:47 My name is Greg Goebel, west Iowa Avenue.
10:23:52 Normally I spend my time working trying to put food on the
10:23:55 table and I don't get involved with public issues.
10:23:58 But the waste increase, the garbage increase, is going to
10:24:05 cause a problem for many residents who are financially
10:24:09 strapped at this point.
10:24:11 I'm having trouble keeping the lights on and putting food on
10:24:14 the table.
10:24:14 And with fees, the tax increases, it gets very difficult to
10:24:20 hang onto the house and provide food for the family.
10:24:27 You ought to consider privatization.
10:24:29 If you look at the county, the county can substantially do
10:24:32 the same waste pickup for much less by farming it out to
10:24:37 private companies.
10:24:41 The government doesn't do very many things well.
10:24:44 The private industry tends to want to turn a profit.
10:24:50 (Bell sounds)
10:24:52 Thank you for your time.
10:24:53 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thanks very much, sir.
10:24:54 Next, please.
10:24:55 >> Jovanni Perez.
10:25:01 East 7th Avenue.
10:25:02 If anybody does not know where that is I want to show it on
10:25:05 the screen.
10:25:08 I see these people every day.
10:25:10 My son goes to school across the street from where they are
10:25:13 sitting right now.
10:25:14 I lived thereof my whole live.
10:25:16 I live at 1010 East 7th Avenue.
10:25:19 I see these people every day.
10:25:21 When I was a child on the streets I knew prostitutes names.
10:25:25 I would see crack heads with nicknames.
10:25:29 I'm pretty sure nobody that's on council lives in my
10:25:32 I lived there my whole life.
10:25:34 It's in you all's hands to decide what goes on in my
10:25:38 I understand you have a decision to make.
10:25:39 I hope you make the right one.
10:25:41 And it's hard, the situation now, one hand is washing the
10:25:46 Take care of the trash that they provide.
10:25:48 Thank you.
10:25:49 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
10:25:52 Please note that those individuals that are in the hallway,
10:25:54 wherever the Mascotte room is open, we do have facilities
10:25:59 for you to hear.
10:26:00 You can come up accordingly.
10:26:02 Next, please.
10:26:03 >> My name is Rodney Andres, 1014 east 17th Avenue.
10:26:08 I didn't know about this issue until a few days ago, and
10:26:11 normally I would be working trying to fix up my house right
10:26:14 now, but I feel like it's such an important issue for all of
10:26:17 I live in this area.
10:26:18 You drive on Nebraska, Florida, Tampa street, I see the
10:26:22 homeless people at three in the morning sleeping on the
10:26:24 sidewalks, sleeping in doorways.
10:26:27 It's dangerous.
10:26:28 I wouldn't want my family to be walking down there.
10:26:31 Of course, I don't have any children in my neighborhood
10:26:33 because I would be very concerned about them standing at a
10:26:35 bus stop in the morning.
10:26:36 I walk my girlfriend to her car as it is.
10:26:39 I feel like there's a lot of ways that we can help the
10:26:42 homeless but moving the Trinity Cafe into a residential
10:26:47 neighborhood, I cannot see that that is the best for
10:26:49 everybody involved.
10:26:50 I would like to talk more about the trash pickup.
10:26:52 I think we can do that more efficiently but I really do
10:26:54 believe the Trinity Cafe is a much bigger and more pressing
10:26:57 issue for you guys to consider.
10:26:59 I do appreciate the time.
10:27:00 Thank you.
10:27:01 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Next, please.
10:27:02 >> Debra Ramos, 1023 Columbus Avenue.
10:27:08 Approximately two months ago I stood in front of council and
10:27:11 was award an East Tampa CRA grant.
10:27:14 When I put my attention into a building that I said I
10:27:17 planned to live and work in the building complicated my
10:27:21 Nebraska Avenue is an opportunity corridor where the city is
10:27:23 going to be investing additional money into this
10:27:26 I ask when the city is investing so much of their money and
10:27:28 private investigators lake I am involving money in the into
10:27:32 why would something like this be approved without comment
10:27:34 from the neighborhood?
10:27:35 It took a year and a half to get permits for a mixed use
10:27:38 since 1924.
10:27:40 Why is something like this going through the back door
10:27:42 without a proper -- a approval process?
10:27:46 Thank you.
10:27:47 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thanks very much.
10:27:47 Next, please.
10:27:48 >> My name is Tarry Grimsdale, north Nebraska.
10:27:56 Some of the residents are not able to come in this case
10:27:58 because physical.
10:28:00 But I had a letter here that says my husband and I grew up
10:28:06 in Ybor City and attended Ybor, Washington junior high,
10:28:09 Jefferson high school.
10:28:11 The interstate system and urban renewal came up my family
10:28:15 were forced to relocate to other parts of the city.
10:28:17 My husband and I decided to restore this home, across the
10:28:21 street, Nebraska, and relocate, a beautiful old home with
10:28:26 documentation about the home can be found in the University
10:28:28 of Florida.
10:28:31 Next door to this same home, there's two boarding homes.
10:28:34 On these boarding homes, I think if you will look at the
10:28:37 record, you will find there's many pedophiles.
10:28:40 Those two children up here are mine.
10:28:43 The impact of adding to the pedophiles, total boarding
10:28:46 homes, and to Trinity Cafe, and that's a huge impact on my
10:28:50 Thank you.
10:28:53 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much, S sir.
10:28:54 Next, please.
10:28:54 >> My name is Vivienne Brown.
10:28:57 And I live at 1305 east 18th Avenue.
10:29:01 Has there been an impact study down see what the impact of
10:29:04 putting Trinity Cafe in the Ybor neighbor would cause?
10:29:07 I am not opposed to helping people.
10:29:09 I have helped handout to the homeless.
10:29:12 But criminal activity thrives on the indulgence of the
10:29:15 people's understanding.
10:29:16 I gave the man a dollar.
10:29:17 He put his hands on my throat and threatened to kill me.
10:29:21 I can't walk down the street without being accosted by
10:29:23 someone asking for a handout.
10:29:24 Give the man a fish you feed him for a day.
10:29:28 Trinity cafe has made it very clear their mission is only to
10:29:31 give a man a fish.
10:29:32 They have no other responsibility to the man once he leaves
10:29:34 the premises.
10:29:35 They can close their doors and go back to their homes away
10:29:37 from all the transient issues they created for someone else
10:29:40 to deal with.
10:29:41 And that's the DME Ybor neighborhood association.
10:29:44 Thank you.
10:29:45 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you, ma'am.
10:29:46 Next, please.
10:29:46 >> My name is Rafael Rosado. I live at 912 East 23rd
10:29:55 All I can say, when I first bought a house in the Ybor
10:29:58 neighborhood, everybody said I was crazy, because by
10:30:03 Nebraska Avenue, prostitutes, drugs, and homeless people.
10:30:11 So I bought the house because I love the house, and it was
10:30:13 risky. And my first experience in living there, people come
10:30:19 late at night asking for money.
10:30:21 At 11:00 at night, begging for money on my porch.
10:30:26 And even when I come home late at night, scared to open the
10:30:32 But things got a lot better.
10:30:34 We I'm very proud of her, she helped organize.
10:30:42 We do clean the neighborhood.
10:30:44 We do create a sense of pride in the neighborhood.
10:30:52 People understand that we can live there and be safe, to
10:30:55 walk around the neighborhood.
10:30:58 We are hard working people.
10:31:00 And I believe Trinity Cafe is going to be -- it has been
10:31:06 neglected for so long, we don't need this thing.
10:31:09 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: We appreciate it very much, sir.
10:31:11 Next, please.
10:31:11 >> Herbert Haager, 2910 west CRILLA street, since 1971.
10:31:26 I moved to Tampa in 1969 when I was stationed at MacDill
10:31:30 Air Force Base.
10:31:31 You come up with this solid waste rate increase, I'll tell
10:31:35 you what.
10:31:36 My income hasn't increased that much.
10:31:38 I haven't gotten increase in my pay for over three years.
10:31:41 I live on total disability income.
10:31:45 Which I earned serving in the United States military
10:31:47 protecting this so-called great nation of ours.
10:31:49 You want to hear facts and figures.
10:31:51 I can give you facts and figures.
10:31:53 Because it seems that's all you people believe or
10:31:58 I have a thing here, my telephone bill is going to go up
10:32:01 15.9% to 17.8%.
10:32:04 How am I going to afford that if I have to keep pay you for
10:32:09 trash pickup which is a luxury I can't afford.
10:32:12 You are going to raise my bill from 22.25 to $3.34 as of
10:32:19 1st, and October 1st raise that another $2.56.
10:32:23 My income ain't going to cut it.
10:32:25 Thank you.
10:32:26 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thanks very much, sir.
10:32:27 Next, please.
10:32:28 >> My name is Brenda Ciccarello, 2815 north 9th street
10:32:36 in Ybor City.
10:32:37 I'm here to speak for my family who has lived there since
10:32:41 the late 1800s.
10:32:43 My mother still lives there today.
10:32:46 She lives at 2814.
10:32:49 Her property will be backed up to where the Trinity Cafe
10:32:52 will be.
10:32:53 And I am urging you to please think about this.
10:32:57 This is not good for our community.
10:32:59 We have worked so hard to restore it.
10:33:02 And I hope that you can help us.
10:33:04 Thank you.
10:33:06 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you, Ms. Ciccarello.
10:33:10 Next, please.
10:33:10 >> I live at 1016 east Columbus drive.
10:33:14 You heard a lot of people oppose the Trinity Cafe.
10:33:20 The way I see it is the Trinity Cafe is a restaurant.
10:33:25 It's know it a restaurant.
10:33:26 Way see is it's helping feed people for a few hours a day,
10:33:34 and it's closing the doors, and leaving the neighborhood to
10:33:38 take care of arresting the people that are going to be the
10:33:42 there the rest of the day.
10:33:43 You saw the pictures.
10:33:44 The streets lined up with people.
10:33:47 I drive Florida Avenue every day, come back to my house
10:33:51 through the neighborhood.
10:33:53 I know people need help.
10:33:55 And we are doing what we can.
10:33:57 It doesn't belong in a neighborhood.
10:33:58 You wouldn't want in the your neighborhood.
10:34:00 You wouldn't want to see people just camped out.
10:34:03 Some of you may come up Florida Avenue to Floribraska, come
10:34:07 into downtown, and you saw what Nebraska was.
10:34:12 Our community is getting better.
10:34:14 Our neighborhood is getting better.
10:34:15 Please help us.
10:34:16 Don't put it there.
10:34:17 Don't allow it.
10:34:18 Thank you.
10:34:19 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
10:34:19 Just for the record, the lady standing at the back, the
10:34:21 young lady will be the last one to speak.
10:34:25 That's you young lady with the nice-looking glasses.
10:34:28 Yes, sir.
10:34:28 >> Frank gardenia, north 34th street.
10:34:33 I would like to thank you for your service.
10:34:36 Obviously it's a tough times, and a lot of pressing issues,
10:34:40 and I appreciate what you all do.
10:34:43 I feel that a lot of small businesses, we are taking the
10:34:53 fall for a lot of expenses and so forth. I own a small
10:35:00 business and make along story short I have been there eight
10:35:04 I bought a business that had no activity.
10:35:07 I hired 30 employs I.don't normally come to these type of
10:35:10 meetings but I am looking at a 24% increase in trash over
10:35:14 the next six months, and 60% over the next three years, as I
10:35:20 interpret it.
10:35:22 Small businesses cannot afford these kind of increases.
10:35:24 And if I did that to my customers, I would be fired.
10:35:29 That's the reality of it.
10:35:30 Thank you.
10:35:32 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you.
10:35:32 >> My name is Portia Young, 25th Avenue, and I am here
10:35:38 to oppose Trinity Cafe, the location of it but county go
10:35:42 somewhere else.
10:35:43 Nonetheless, I'm hear because I want you to be able -- you
10:35:51 heard everyone this morning but I lived in my home for ten
10:35:58 Her father built -- this couple had vivid in the community
10:36:04 all their lives.
10:36:05 Nonetheless, they have been here, and they stay here, and we
10:36:10 love our community.
10:36:13 Things are bad for the homeless in our community, and the
10:36:16 house next door to me, man came out flailing a machete.
10:36:23 These are things that are going on.
10:36:28 Thank you.
10:36:30 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
10:36:30 Next, please.
10:36:33 >> My name is Jeff Downy, I live at 5003 shortdress circle,
10:36:44 one of the founding members of Trinity Cafe.
10:36:46 We founded it in 2001 and in a volunteer capacity.
10:36:52 I didn't know that the VM Ybor folks had intended to be here
10:36:58 this morning, or I would have planned better and had to
10:37:02 cancel a client appointment.
10:37:03 We have looked for buildings for two and a half years.
10:37:07 We found a building that was affordable, properly zoned.
10:37:12 We have met with the VM Ybor members multiple occasions.
10:37:19 I know that the answers for us to move there is unacceptable
10:37:23 to them.
10:37:25 However, what we are trying to do is to provide for the
10:37:31 We have invited them to visit Trinity and see.
10:37:35 We don't have control over our current circumstance where we
10:37:38 are located.
10:37:39 But we will.
10:37:44 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
10:37:45 >>FRANK REDDICK: Mr. Reddick wants the floor.
10:37:48 >>FRANK REDDICK: To the gentleman just speaking.
10:37:54 I want to take this initiative to meet with you, so I hope
10:37:59 we can coordinate a meeting together.
10:38:01 >> Absolutely.
10:38:01 >>FRANK REDDICK: Before you leave, I will have my office
10:38:07 contact you.
10:38:08 Thank you.
10:38:09 >> I am here for a 10:30 agenda item.
10:38:19 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Is that set for a time certain?
10:38:20 What number is it on the agenda?
10:38:24 >>> Number 70.
10:38:26 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: 70 is a public hearing.
10:38:27 You will have to wait to speak on that because that is a
10:38:29 public hearing.
10:38:30 Next, please.
10:38:35 >> Rick Fifer, 1408 East Hannah. I am here about the solid
10:38:40 Since the city has expanded the large dumpsters, and the
10:38:43 recycling, I put my trash out about once every three dates.
10:38:52 I wonder if you can cut back the number of dates, the number
10:38:56 of pickups which is a considerable amounts of money.
10:38:58 The other thing I take issue with is automatically giving a
10:39:01 discount because of age.
10:39:02 It's no different than automatically giving a discount
10:39:04 because of gender, race or religion.
10:39:06 If somebody doesn't have the means, they should get a
10:39:09 reduced rate.
10:39:10 If they do have the means just because they are 65 should
10:39:13 not be a discount.
10:39:15 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
10:39:15 Next, please.
10:39:16 >> My name is Mary Stephenson.
10:39:20 I live at 211 north Beverly Avenue.
10:39:22 And my comments are similar to the gentleman before me.
10:39:28 I'm a single mother of two little children, and we could
10:39:31 normally go months without taking our trash can out.
10:39:33 However, my recycling bin is overflowing every week.
10:39:37 I think two times a week pickup is excessive.
10:39:39 And I object to having to pay increased rates for people who
10:39:42 do not other.
10:39:47 I think there are variable rate systems throughout the
10:39:50 country in the state.
10:39:52 I think they should be considered.
10:39:54 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
10:39:56 That takes of our public comments and we are really
10:39:59 appreciative of all of you being hear this morning and
10:40:01 express your concerns.
10:40:04 The next item is request for public reconsideration on any
10:40:09 legislative matters of last weak's meeting.
10:40:11 Do I see any?
10:40:15 I don't think I do.
10:40:18 I think most of the people here are leaving because they
10:40:20 have spoken already.
10:40:24 That takes care of that item.
10:40:26 We are going to go now to the ordinances presented for first
10:40:28 reading and I am going to jump around this agenda to
10:40:30 facilitate the quorum that I need to keep intact.
10:40:34 We go to item number 5, to item 6.
10:40:39 Is the city here?
10:40:45 Do you want me to skip item 5 and 6?
10:40:50 >>SONYA LITTLE: Revenue and finance.
10:40:57 This ordinance that's before you this morning is as it
10:41:01 relates to the proposed rate increases for the solid waste
10:41:06 Over the course of this past several months, we presented
10:41:09 you on numerous occasions the current financial situation.
10:41:13 Our condition of our solid waste system, and in addition to
10:41:18 preventing -- presenting the current financial condition we
10:41:22 also shared with you our bond covenants which compels the
10:41:26 city to do all that it can to cover operating expenditures
10:41:31 forts systems as well as pay our debt service and fund our
10:41:36 reserves as required under the bond resolution.
10:41:40 In doing so, we shared with you the initiatives that have
10:41:44 already taken place as it relates to decreasing operating
10:41:48 costs associated with the system.
10:41:50 Additionally, we provided several options in which we could
10:41:54 increase the revenues associated with the system.
10:41:57 And now before you is our final proposal for a rate increase
10:42:03 as it relates to both residential, commercial rates.
10:42:07 And again, this was also proposed in a workshop that was
10:42:12 held last month.
10:42:15 Actually talked through what the options were available to
10:42:18 the city.
10:42:19 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
10:42:22 I would just like to say this.
10:42:25 What is the bonding debt of this solid waste?
10:42:30 >>SONYA LITTLE: Currently, to date, at the end of the
10:42:33 fiscal year, there was $118 million outstanding.
10:42:37 Right now, we just made a debt service payment and we
10:42:40 currently have 109 million.
10:42:43 So you may see 118 out there and that's because it's our
10:42:45 fiscal year ending number, but in actuality we have 109
10:42:49 million outstanding.
10:42:50 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: The next question in my mind, is there
10:42:52 any anticipation of paying off the debt if there's any
10:42:58 increase in rates ahead of schedule?
10:43:04 >> We in 2010 refunded a portion of the outstanding debt and
10:43:08 it did generate debt service savings.
10:43:10 We are currently entertaining a proposal that was just
10:43:12 presented to you this week to further decrease our annual
10:43:16 debt service payment.
10:43:17 But as it stands right now, the final maturity on the bond
10:43:23 is 2021 but in the meantime we'll do all we can to lower the
10:43:28 amount we pay.
10:43:29 >> And how much is the amount we pay in interest?
10:43:35 >>SONYA LITTLE: If you will bear with me one moment.
10:43:38 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: No problem.
10:43:38 And I'm sure I didn't have a chance to get with you
10:43:41 >>SONYA LITTLE: It's quite all right.
10:43:43 I have it here.
10:44:22 Chairman, if I could provide a complete breakdown but we
10:44:27 pay just over 14 million. That includes our principle and
10:44:29 debt service and our interest payment.
10:44:31 I would have to get the breakdown between principle and
10:44:36 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Let's assume there is an increase in
10:44:38 charges at the end of the month.
10:44:40 Is there anywhere in the provisions of bringing it to this
10:44:44 council where in future dates ahead of this -- it's really
10:44:50 five years, I believe -- that there is no changes within
10:44:53 that system?
10:44:55 In other words, I don't want to see a rate increase and then
10:44:59 say, okay, now we are going to go to single pickup weekly
10:45:03 because there again in the shortfall situation.
10:45:07 Is there any trade-offs here at all?
10:45:09 >> And I will ask our legal department to correct it.
10:45:11 But what I understand that if we make additional
10:45:15 improvements to the operations of our system, and it
10:45:18 increases our bottom line, we could go back and evaluate the
10:45:23 need for future increases, and by way of resolution just
10:45:29 what has already been approved.
10:45:33 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: What does that mean?
10:45:36 >>SONYA LITTLE: If you are asking if we have the option, if
10:45:38 we approve our current rate structure and through additional
10:45:41 initiatives in the future, say in 2014, the proposed rate
10:45:47 increase is not needed -- is that the question?
10:45:50 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I think what I heard mostly this
10:45:51 morning -- and I am only speaking for myself -- is
10:45:54 individuals who have a concern about their cost of living
10:46:00 and their understanding of the facts, and at the same time
10:46:03 that we are saying we need help to make this balance out, we
10:46:07 are still giving away -- not giving away, we are still
10:46:09 giving raises and stuff of that nature.
10:46:15 That's what I heard from the public.
10:46:16 That's the understanding that I come back with, from what I
10:46:19 heard this morning.
10:46:21 Is there any caps trade-off that mate influence the future
10:46:27 of this department?
10:46:29 >>SONYA LITTLE: That would be an administrative decision,
10:46:32 Mr. Chair, but certainly on the operating side, as far as
10:46:38 entertaining additional measures, recycling, for instance,
10:46:44 various --
10:46:45 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Well, here again, recycling is a loss of
10:46:48 over $3 million a year.
10:46:50 But it was stated first person came up saying is there not a
10:46:58 speedier way of getting rid of the problem?
10:47:01 Yet you heard testimony from some who said get rid of
10:47:04 recycling, and testimony from others saying no matter what
10:47:08 the cost, I don't want to get rid of recycling.
10:47:11 That is stated in the record this morning from what I heard.
10:47:14 So it's hard.
10:47:16 I mean, 3 million out of 14 million that you pay is roughly
10:47:21 30% or 45%, you might say, of the actual cost of 14 million.
10:47:29 So I'm not being an advocate towards that.
10:47:32 I'm just saying these are all possibilities that we have to
10:47:34 look at.
10:47:35 >> Our approach, Mr. Chair, is that this is not the end-all
10:47:41 be-all, the proposed rate increases.
10:47:43 We realize that wave to do additional hard work in getting
10:47:47 our costs down.
10:47:48 And working with the administration and you to do so.
10:47:53 So if I understand your question correctly, I don't believe
10:47:58 that this is the end-all be-all, that it's an ongoing
10:48:02 measure, but as it stands right now, in light of how extreme
10:48:06 the financial condition is, it is the most appropriate
10:48:10 approach at this moment in time.
10:48:16 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Other council members?
10:48:17 Ms. Capin.
10:48:18 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I understand what you are saying is that
10:48:20 this is not the end-all be-all, and what I would like to
10:48:26 know is how are we here on council going to be sure, what
10:48:34 part are we going to play in this?
10:48:37 How are we going to -- we are looking at five years if this
10:48:41 gets approved, five years.
10:48:44 Where along the line do we have -- do we -- will we here on
10:48:50 council be able to come in and look at the operation and
10:48:55 look at the numbers?
10:48:57 I myself, when we -- Councilwoman Montelione speaks about
10:49:02 recycling, I brought forth a plan that is working in another
10:49:07 city, in another state, to the tune of $5 million a year
10:49:14 Recycling is very profitable now because of the technology
10:49:18 as was presented today.
10:49:23 What I want to know is -- and I asked this question because
10:49:27 it was brought up.
10:49:31 Its on going, the changes, and I am very confident that the
10:49:34 work is being done in order to improve the service, improve
10:49:39 the bottom line, which is what we need to do.
10:49:43 But how do we -- how are we going to be assured that we have
10:49:49 a say or that we know what is happening?
10:49:54 Is it annually?
10:49:55 Can we ask, you know, for an orderly report or annual
10:50:02 What are we doing on recycling?
10:50:04 How are we going to do that?
10:50:05 Do you all have a program for us?
10:50:08 >> Yes.
10:50:10 As a matter of fact, through our briefings and workshops
10:50:13 that we have done to date, and then moving forward, it's our
10:50:16 intention to continue with sharing with council members both
10:50:22 at our public meetings.
10:50:24 We schedule regularly briefings on our budget that do
10:50:28 encompass our enterprise funds.
10:50:31 We do and will continue to meet on an individual basis with
10:50:37 each of the council members with proposals and updates, a
10:50:40 public meeting, solid waste department has and will continue
10:50:44 to provide staff reports.
10:50:47 So we want to make sure that we are keeping you abreast of
10:50:50 all the initiatives being proposed and analyzed.
10:50:54 >> And one of the things that was brought up, that being 65
10:50:57 does not necessarily constitute a hardship.
10:51:00 There are many young families that have a hardship.
10:51:04 Do we have a program in place for hardships?
10:51:12 Not necessarily 65 or disabled.
10:51:14 >>SONYA LITTLE: And I will ask our legal department to
10:51:19 entertain that question.
10:51:20 But it's my understanding it's part of our city code.
10:51:24 >> Currently the programs we do have are related to
10:51:33 disabilities and the elderly.
10:51:35 We do not have any program other than those two as it
10:51:38 relates to income issues or anything like that.
10:51:43 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Please state your name.
10:51:44 >> Tonja Brickhouse, City of Tampa, director, department of
10:51:48 solid waste and environmental program management.
10:51:50 Currently, we just have the elderly discounts and the
10:51:54 disability discount program that there's an application
10:52:01 process with both of those.
10:52:02 Those are the two programs that we have.
10:52:06 >>YVONNE CAPIN: We don't have a program for people who are
10:52:11 Or they are having three or four part-time jobs.
10:52:14 But a couple of people that came up that said they are work,
10:52:18 they are barely keep food on the table.
10:52:21 >>TONJA BRICKHOUSE: No, not at this time.
10:52:32 >>SAL TERRITO: We are on the issue dealing with the
10:52:33 franchise at this particular point.
10:52:36 That's item 69 on the agenda.
10:52:37 All you have before you right now is the first reading on
10:52:39 the franchise adjustments.
10:52:43 Not that you don't want to discuss this, but this isn't the
10:52:45 place to be doing that.
10:52:48 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Thank you for clarifying that but I did hear
10:52:52 commercial, residential in the statement.
10:52:54 I apologize if you are residential.
10:52:55 >> I was wondering if we were doing them combined.
10:53:01 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Well, there is a difference in them.
10:53:09 It's all about money at the end of the day.
10:53:11 And really 5 and 69 go together in some respect because they
10:53:16 are talking about increases.
10:53:17 So the public, be I think we heard both sides, and we are
10:53:23 just discussing both sides.
10:53:25 I don't think any apology is needed by Ms. Capin.
10:53:28 Thank you.
10:53:29 Mrs. Montelione.
10:53:30 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Thank you.
10:53:32 We did have workshops, and it's unfortunate that maybe it is
10:53:41 our fault for not doing more in the public education area of
10:53:46 when the workshops are being held, and everyone comes down
10:53:51 when the media starts grabbing onto we are going to be
10:53:56 discussing rate increases today when in fact we have been
10:53:59 discussing rate increases for months.
10:54:01 And we did have full blown workshops more than once on
10:54:04 exactly this topic.
10:54:06 So some of this information is going to be repetitive for
10:54:09 those of us who attended those workshops.
10:54:21 When we talked about this privately, we talked about perhaps
10:54:25 having modest increases in the beginning and not front-end
10:54:29 loading the increases so that we have got, you know, a
10:54:32 tremendous increase in years 1 and 2 and then decreases in
10:54:36 years 3, 4 and 5.
10:54:38 When you look at the economy, we are in dire straits right
10:54:42 We are looking at hope and light that things are getting
10:54:46 better in the economy.
10:54:47 But by year four and five, I think people were better
10:54:53 absorbed an increase than they are today, or even in the
10:54:58 next six months or next ten months, a year.
10:55:02 So if you can revisit why we are raising the rates so
10:55:07 drastically in the first two years, and the rate increases
10:55:12 decrease in years three, four and five, because I think that
10:55:16 is a shock to the system when we are looking at our citizens
10:55:22 rate increases for the first two years.
10:55:26 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Before we go, and just for the record, we
10:55:28 are going to discuss 5 and 6 -- 5 and 69 combined.
10:55:33 I'm sorry for the interruption.
10:55:34 >>SONYA LITTLE: Thank you.
10:55:37 The reason being, councilwoman, is that we have at the end
10:55:44 of this fiscal year, September 30, 2012, under a do-nothing
10:55:49 scenario or anything less than the currently proposed
10:55:51 percentage increase for fiscal year 2012, we will not be
10:55:54 able to pay our debt service, all of our operating
10:55:58 expenditures, and also have any type of fund balance or
10:56:01 reserve on hand.
10:56:03 What we presented is the absolute minimum percentages across
10:56:08 the board that we can charge in those years, and each of the
10:56:13 years in order to satisfy our financial requirement.
10:56:18 >> So in simplistic terms it's what it's going to take to
10:56:22 break even?
10:56:24 >>SONYA LITTLE: Yes, ma'am.
10:56:24 >>LISA MONTELIONE: You had mentioned -- I know one of the
10:56:31 speakers was talking this morning, it was said that there
10:56:34 would be -- it wouldn't be the end of the world for our
10:56:38 bonds to -- for us to default on our bonds, and go to junk
10:56:42 bond status. Can you elaborate on that?
10:56:44 I know were dying to say something.
10:56:46 >>SONYA LITTLE: Yes, ma'am, thank you.
10:56:48 With all due respect to that speaker, it would be close to
10:56:51 catastrophic for us, if you would.
10:56:53 Although it's a self-supporting enterprise, and a default on
10:56:58 our bond would result in a downgrade on our bond, what we
10:57:01 are demonstrating is a lack of will to do what is needed to
10:57:06 keep our enterprise system afloat.
10:57:08 That will transfer over to how we manage our overall city
10:57:13 financial operations.
10:57:15 And when we are talking -- it goes beyond just the solid
10:57:18 waste department.
10:57:19 We are talking city-wide.
10:57:21 Now, I can't go on and say they will hit us over the head
10:57:25 with a hammer and is say you didn't take care of your solid
10:57:28 waste system so we are going to automatically penalize you.
10:57:31 But you can bet if you are not taking care of -- and it's
10:57:34 based on right now the way that it's being used, it is a
10:57:36 management decision.
10:57:38 The people who run the city at this point is what we are
10:57:41 being looked at.
10:57:42 And I can share with you that I have been able to get the
10:57:48 rating agencies to agree to wait until we get to this point.
10:57:52 They have been in touch with me since May coming in and
10:57:54 wanting to review our system and see what we are doing to
10:57:57 address our financial situation with the system.
10:58:03 Last -- two weeks, I received an e-mail from mood Y's where
10:58:07 they have indicated they are watching, keeping track of all
10:58:10 of our workshops and our council meetings to keep track of
10:58:13 where we are.
10:58:15 They indicated that they will be here and would like to meet
10:58:18 with us prior to March 1st.
10:58:21 This is serious.
10:58:22 This is beyond just the solid waste system.
10:58:25 So to even entertain postponing or allowing the bonds to go
10:58:30 into default, it's beyond the solid waste system.
10:58:33 It affects an impacts our entire city credit rating.
10:58:37 >>LISA MONTELIONE: It's interesting to know we are being
10:58:40 watched in New York on Wall Street that moody's is
10:58:43 interested in our council hearings.
10:58:44 I wish people at home were as interested.
10:58:50 The solid waste has had issues, with all due respect to Ms.
10:58:55 I know she works very hard.
10:58:57 But some of these issues predate her tenure of the direction
10:59:02 of the solid waste division.
10:59:06 And I'm looking at just one of the audits that was prepared,
10:59:10 this one dated September 28, 2011, and Ms. Brickhouse, some
10:59:14 of these questions are probably directed to you.
10:59:19 This particular audit deals with the compacter and roll-off
10:59:23 containers, so this is commercial service, and part of what
10:59:27 we are talking about is the commercial service to customers,
10:59:29 and some of the small businesses that were hear to talk
10:59:31 about the impact of our raising their rates will do to them.
10:59:37 There were several deficiencies found in this audit report,
10:59:42 several of which were information was not accurate resulting
10:59:47 in billings that were not accurate to our customers.
10:59:51 We had not complied with the state of Florida's department
10:59:54 of environmental protection reporting.
11:00:01 Florida statutes requires that each municipality have
11:00:05 systems, no less than residential -- I am not going to read
11:00:09 the whole statute -- for the full cost of solid waste
11:00:12 We had not done that since 2005, which I know can predate
11:00:19 your tenure.
11:00:20 The estimated completion date on our compliance with that
11:00:22 and putting into place a system for us to comply with state
11:00:26 statute was January 2012.
11:00:28 Have we complied with that?
11:00:32 >> Yes, we have.
11:00:33 We are working with the budget department to make sure we
11:00:35 comply with all the full cost accounting requirements in
11:00:39 accordance with the statute.
11:00:40 The other thing that I would say is that all of the audit
11:00:42 reports, all of the audits that have been conducted since I
11:00:45 have been the director for the department, authorizes used
11:00:50 as tools to correct some of the things that -- some of the
11:00:53 deficiencies that have existed.
11:00:55 And so, yes, and we are aggressively implementing a number
11:00:59 of things, and other things outside of the audit report that
11:01:04 we also find.
11:01:05 >> Some of the other things that were mentioned were
11:01:08 inventory tracking program for our containers, because we
11:01:14 have really not a verification of where these containers
11:01:17 were located.
11:01:18 They were discrepancies with where they are located, how
11:01:21 many of them were they're were, and that also had a
11:01:24 completion daylight of 2012.
11:01:26 Have we located all of our containers?
11:01:29 >>KEITH BRICKLEMYER: We have done a complete inventory of
11:01:32 all of our containers.
11:01:33 We are also moving technology so we are able to capture that
11:01:38 in an automated fashion as opposed to the pencil approach.
11:01:44 >> Excellent.
11:01:44 I know we have old technology in the city, and we are
11:01:46 working on replacing that technology slowly but surely.
11:01:50 We were using an access database that frankly I haven't seen
11:01:55 since probably the late 90s.
11:01:59 The information -- there's a saying in data entry, garbage
11:02:05 in, garbage out, you know, no pun intended but if you are
11:02:10 not entering the information, doesn't matter what technology
11:02:12 you have, whether it's 1980s technology or whether it's
11:02:15 2012 technology, if the individuals responsible for that
11:02:19 data are not inputting the correct information, it's
11:02:24 So we can spend $3 million on a system to improve our
11:02:28 technology, but if the information isn't going in
11:02:30 accurately, and efficiently, we are not going to have any
11:02:35 reports that do us any good.
11:02:36 So that was also highlighted in this audit report.
11:02:42 Have we trained our employees?
11:02:43 I mean, I know it's old technology but we still have it for
11:02:47 the time being.
11:02:48 So there were blank fields, missing information.
11:02:52 >> MSS is a system some is what the city uses for the
11:03:00 We just completed MSS phase 3 which involved a huge
11:03:04 partnership with the technology and innovation department.
11:03:09 Statistically, we are training from them as it relates to
11:03:12 how we input that or how we use the system.
11:03:18 My team will be briefing at the next IT committee on the
11:03:21 results of the MSS phase three implementation.
11:03:24 >> And understand I am asking these questions because a lot
11:03:26 of the individuals who are here this morning, and the myriad
11:03:30 of e-mails we have all been receiving, have all highlighted
11:03:35 the same thing, and that is they don't have confidence in us
11:03:41 as elected officials, and -- I'm sorry, in you or your staff
11:03:47 as rung this department in the most efficient and effective
11:03:51 way possible.
11:03:52 So trying to communicate that while there have been
11:03:57 problems, the first step in correcting the problems is
11:04:00 acknowledging that they exist, and doing things to correct
11:04:04 those issues.
11:04:06 So for those who feel that we have not been good stewards of
11:04:15 the trust placed in us, I want to inform them through you
11:04:19 that we are working on these issues, and that we are moving
11:04:22 forward with getting our house in order, if you will.
11:04:28 The last item in this audit report was that the commercial
11:04:31 section of solid waste does not have current written
11:04:34 policies and procedures related to daily roll off compacter
11:04:40 The deadline for putting processes and procedures in place
11:04:43 was November 2011.
11:04:45 Was that completed as well?
11:04:46 >> Yes.
11:04:49 Let me also add to one of the things that I share with my
11:04:52 people, that we are professionals first.
11:04:58 That is the mantra that I have with my people.
11:05:00 That's why we have been intensely developing.
11:05:02 That's why we have been intensely transforming business
11:05:05 property processes.
11:05:07 That's why we have also been aggressive and lag for
11:05:11 opportunities to take advantage of technology to improve how
11:05:15 we do the business in the City of Tampa.
11:05:20 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I just wanted to give you the
11:05:23 opportunity to address some of those concerns that the
11:05:24 citizens have.
11:05:25 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Mr. Cohen and Mr. Reddick.
11:05:27 >>HARRY COHEN: Thank you very much, Mr. Chair.
11:05:36 We have been at this question for quite some time.
11:05:38 There have been a lot of e-mails that have come in recently
11:05:41 regarding this proposed increase.
11:05:43 And one of the common threads that ladies to these e-mails
11:05:47 is that perhaps we should appoint some sort of independent
11:05:51 commission to look at these rates.
11:05:52 And I think what you are going to hear from all of the
11:05:55 council members up here is that every single one of us has
11:05:59 been studying this in every possible way that we can over
11:06:02 the last couple of months.
11:06:03 We have workshopped it.
11:06:05 We have all had private meetings with our financial
11:06:07 department, and with the solid waste department, and because
11:06:12 we answer to the voters, it is our responsibility to
11:06:16 ultimately make these decisions.
11:06:25 None of us are in any way unsympathetic to the public about
11:06:29 the comments we heard today about the hardship in rates, but
11:06:33 it's got to be pointed out that these rates have not gone up
11:06:36 since 2005.
11:06:37 And I know -- I'm sure that the people that sat up here
11:06:40 before, the former mayor, didn't raise the rates because of
11:06:44 the considerations that we heard expressed today.
11:06:48 Our economy has been in distress for quite some time.
11:06:51 And it's my impression that we have held off as long as we
11:06:54 can in terms of looking for additional revenue for precisely
11:07:00 that reason.
11:07:00 And I understand there's sensitivity to that issue.
11:07:04 With that being said, the issue of the bond covenants and
11:07:07 the issue of making sure that this city is being responsible
11:07:12 in terms of its financial stewardship is extremely
11:07:16 And if we don't make the tough decisions to make sure that
11:07:19 our fund balances remain healthy, we will pay a much higher
11:07:23 price because of the loss of confidence in us.
11:07:26 And I see Ms. Little at the podium.
11:07:31 Do you have something you want to add to that?
11:07:33 >>SONYA LITTLE: Yes, sir.
11:07:34 I think you summarize it quite appropriately.
11:07:37 >>HARRY COHEN: I do want to make a couple of comments
11:07:40 specifically in response to some of the things that have
11:07:42 been e-mailed to us, some of the things that were said
11:07:50 In terms of the types of programs that were shown, in terms
11:07:56 of programs like I saw in Israel, water displacement to
11:08:00 separate garbage, there is in a question that we should be
11:08:03 looking at all these things.
11:08:04 We should be plow go ahead trying to figure out anyway we
11:08:07 can to make our systems more efficient.
11:08:10 In terms of recycling, right now, all of the recycling that
11:08:14 we collect, we get a bulk price for.
11:08:16 It does not allow us to take advantage of fluctuations in
11:08:20 prices of different commodities and different markets.
11:08:23 So if we can find a way to separate the recycling and get
11:08:26 individual prices for each commodity, there's no question
11:08:29 that we can maybe close if not eliminate that $3 million
11:08:33 There's in a question, like one speaker said, that we should
11:08:37 go to some kind of a pay-as-you-go program where people that
11:08:42 need additional favors should pay a surcharge for those.
11:08:47 I have mentioned that numerous times during these meetings
11:08:50 over the crisis.
11:08:54 But the fact of the matter is that all of these things are
11:08:57 really separate than the issue of the fund balances and the
11:09:01 bond covenants.
11:09:03 And the level of irresponsibility, in my view, that we show
11:09:08 workshop meeting show, to not deal with that problem, which
11:09:10 is a very imminent short-term problem.
11:09:13 If we do not deal with it immediately, we will fall out of
11:09:17 the compliance long before we can put these other things
11:09:22 into place.
11:09:23 So it's for that reason that I am supporting this, not happy
11:09:30 about supporting it.
11:09:31 I don't think anyone in the community is happy about having
11:09:34 to pay more money for solid waste pickup.
11:09:38 But in my view, I think it's irresponsible of us not to take
11:09:43 this step.
11:09:43 Thank you very much.
11:09:45 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
11:09:45 Mr. Reddick.
11:09:46 >>FRANK REDDICK: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
11:09:50 For the past few weeks, I have been weighing the pros and
11:09:55 cons about the proposed rate increase.
11:10:01 And to echo, and what my colleague Mr. Cohen just stated,
11:10:10 yes, we have not raised the rate since 2005.
11:10:15 But since 2005, gas has gone up to almost $4 a gallon.
11:10:23 Since 2005, unemployment rate in the City of Tampa is almost
11:10:31 So the people are suffering.
11:10:34 And people are having a tremendous hardship in this
11:10:39 And the problem I'm having with this is anytime I walk into
11:10:49 a grocery store people are coming up to me and saying,
11:10:52 Councilman, if you dot April 1st, you turn around and do
11:10:59 it October 1st, I cannot afford this.
11:11:06 We are going to put a tremendous financial burden on a lot
11:11:11 of people in this community.
11:11:17 We don't know -- and I don't know about anyone else, but
11:11:23 when I come up to the gas tank and I pump the gas, $3.89 a
11:11:28 gallon, that's a hardship to me.
11:11:36 I don't want to be paying $3.89 a gallon.
11:11:38 It used to be when I put $20, it would almost fill my tank.
11:11:43 Now I put $20, it won't even get you halfway.
11:11:47 Just imagine what people that can't afford to put $20.
11:11:52 And when you look-we are not only speaking about the rate
11:12:02 going up, think about other problems people are facing in
11:12:07 their household.
11:12:07 Someone mention dad the phone rates are going up.
11:12:09 Everything is going up except your paychecks.
11:12:15 We are not getting additional money, but we are paying more
11:12:19 and more in fees.
11:12:22 And if that's knot -- and if that's not causing a hardship
11:12:30 for some of these people, I don't know what you call a
11:12:33 And when I pull out my driveway this morning, and when my
11:12:36 neighbor tells me that I'm suffering, I don't know if I am
11:12:41 going to be able to pay my light bill, and then April
11:12:46 1st, you know, that's normally April fool's day but
11:12:49 there won't be no fooling that day if this is passed as a
11:12:52 rate increase.
11:12:53 No one will be fooled.
11:12:55 The joke will not be on us.
11:12:59 The joke will be on those people that cannot afford it.
11:13:03 And I think, yes, haven't had a raise since 2005?
11:13:11 But do we have to make such a drastic raise?
11:13:14 I can understand gradual raises but drastic raises, and this
11:13:19 will go up for the next five years.
11:13:21 I don't not about other council members' neighborhoods, but
11:13:25 people in my neighborhood are suffering.
11:13:32 If you look at people, food stamps have increased.
11:13:39 You have more people on food stamps than ever before.
11:13:44 I don't know if you stand in a grocery store lately and look
11:13:48 at the people before you and the people that stand behind
11:13:50 you with that red, white and blue card, and it's not a
11:13:56 credit card, not a debit card.
11:13:59 That's the food stamp card.
11:14:08 And these are people that used to be employed, and bankers,
11:14:14 these people used to be vendors, these people used to be
11:14:18 hospital administrators.
11:14:19 These people are suffering.
11:14:25 And only want to pay you X amount of dollars.
11:14:28 But when you have to look around, your gas rate or paying
11:14:33 additional light bill, phone bill, now you pay your water
11:14:35 bill, people, what is going on?
11:14:49 I can be supportive of this but I cannot be supportive at
11:14:54 such a drastic rate.
11:14:56 And yes, we have got a tremendous amount of e-mail, and we
11:15:02 have gotten a lot of calls.
11:15:03 I got a lost personal calls, e-mails, and it just bothered
11:15:07 me that to support this, and then go face these people.
11:15:16 And if they pay the increases, they are going to live in the
11:15:23 dark and no electricity.
11:15:26 Where do we send them?
11:15:32 They are cutting out social services.
11:15:34 All you have to do is go to neighborhood service centers on
11:15:39 every Monday morning starting at 6:30 in the morning and you
11:15:42 will see a line of people outside that building, around the
11:15:48 wall, and I will take nub on this council to show you at
11:15:54 6:30 in the morning and see the number of people that are
11:15:57 standing out there that cannot even afford to pay their
11:16:00 water bill.
11:16:01 Cannot even pay their light bill.
11:16:03 But these people will see an additional increase starting
11:16:08 April 1st.
11:16:11 I understand solid waste has a problem.
11:16:14 I understand it's been difficult for years.
11:16:18 But we cannot put all of this burden on the average citizen
11:16:22 of this community.
11:16:25 We just cannot do it.
11:16:26 And, therefore, Mr. Chairman, because of that, because of
11:16:31 that hardship, and because of the people that I know that
11:16:34 are suffering, I cannot support 5, nor can I support 69 and
11:16:45 I will not vote in favor of this rate increase.
11:16:48 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
11:16:48 Mr. Suarez, please.
11:16:49 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you.
11:16:52 Mrs. Little, a couple questions four.
11:16:53 You saw a lot of public comment.
11:16:55 And we talked about there was some comment about
11:17:01 Have you, in your experience -- obviously you have been
11:17:03 dealing with bond companies for years and years.
11:17:05 That's been your profession.
11:17:06 Have you ever seen a municipality go from doing that you are
11:17:12 own solid waste, or any kind of enterprise fund, to having
11:17:18 it privatized and have the private company take over the
11:17:21 bonding -- excuse me, take over the debt?
11:17:23 >>SONYA LITTLE: In certain circumstances, I have seen where
11:17:28 they have paid an upfront fee, and those proceeds were used
11:17:33 to retire the debt.
11:17:34 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Let me ask you a question.
11:17:37 In terms of that, do you know if it's ever affected the rate
11:17:41 so that it would go down when they took on that debt?
11:17:45 >>SONYA LITTLE: Well, one very notable case that I know of
11:17:48 for a different type of enterprise was privatized and the
11:17:53 debt was retired, and the rates associated with the
11:17:56 enterprise were increased beyond what was formally charged
11:18:00 by the governmental entity, by the private company.
11:18:03 So I have seen -- it's very across-the-board, council.
11:18:08 >> Privatization may not necessarily lead to a savings
11:18:11 because if a private company came in and said, we'll retire
11:18:14 the $108 million plus of bonding, we are going to try and
11:18:20 recoup that because they have to make money.
11:18:22 I mean, that's part of privatization.
11:18:29 The second question I have, let's say we took it to have
11:18:31 balance sheet meaning we went somewhere else to pay for this
11:18:34 enterprise fund, which would be, in and of itself, against
11:18:39 the covenant that we currently have, meaning that we are
11:18:41 supposed to pay with rate increases or whatever rates we get
11:18:46 for that bond.
11:18:48 What would happen if we said, we are going to privatize it,
11:18:51 but we are not going to pay it from the enterprise fund for
11:18:54 the rest of the bond that we currently have until 2021?
11:18:59 How would we pay for something like that?
11:19:02 I know I am giving you a scenario that you probably haven't
11:19:05 thought through necessarily, but what would happen then?
11:19:08 >>SONYA LITTLE: As long as our bonds are outstanding,
11:19:11 Councilman, we have a responsibility because of the
11:19:15 resolution associated with those bonds, that we will do
11:19:19 everything in our power to a sure that the net revenues of
11:19:23 the system only were sufficient.
11:19:26 So whether or not we privatize a portion of the system
11:19:31 operations or collection or not, as long as those bonds are
11:19:35 outstanding in the city's name, we have to satisfy the debt
11:19:39 service requirements and the other requirement solely from
11:19:44 the revenues of the system.
11:19:46 And I think I have shared this several times before.
11:19:49 Even if we had $100 million, fortunate enough to have $100
11:19:54 million in which we could grow as a system, that we could
11:19:57 apply toward the system that would keep the system afloat.
11:20:00 However, we would still in default of our bond covenants
11:20:03 because the covenants require that the system is
11:20:05 self-supporting and that it has to be net revenues of the
11:20:08 system that meets all of our financial threshold.
11:20:10 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Well, I could translate based on what you
11:20:13 said, we are going to have to pay that bond no matter what
11:20:16 we do.
11:20:19 This is unfortunate inheritance that all of us have, that we
11:20:23 have this 100 million plus that we have to retear, and this
11:20:27 because it's an enterprise fund, it was covenanted before
11:20:33 any of us were on the council, and that over the years, we
11:20:38 have essentially refinanced, and tried our best to keep that
11:20:43 from raising rates.
11:20:45 The third thing is that, is the county on an enterprise fund
11:20:50 Or do they pay through a general revenue basis?
11:20:55 Or do you know the answer to that?
11:20:56 >>SONYA LITTLE: I believe it's also an enterprise fund as
11:20:59 But as everybody knows, they do privatize collection.
11:21:02 So privatization is not illegal, if you will, but as long as
11:21:09 bonds are outstanding, it has to be, in our case, the
11:21:13 revenues of the system.
11:21:14 >> And as far as we know, they started privatization before
11:21:17 they had a large debt.
11:21:19 I don't know.
11:21:20 I don't know the answer to that.
11:21:21 But they have been doing it for, I think, 18 years,
11:21:24 something like that.
11:21:25 >> They have been doing it for several years.
11:21:27 And I'm not certain, Councilman.
11:21:29 I would have to find that out for you as to what point in
11:21:32 time the debt was issued and when they privatized.
11:21:34 I would have to find that out.
11:21:35 >> Okay, terrific.
11:21:37 I'm going to make a statement. And this is in response
11:21:42 to -- also in agreement with Mr. Cohen.
11:21:48 We have inherited something that we did not create.
11:21:53 The bond situation is extremely important, primarily because
11:21:58 in order for us to continue to do anything as a city, to
11:22:02 provide the kind of services that we have now, even minimal
11:22:05 services, we still have to pay our debts.
11:22:09 I were we didn't have to have any rate increase.
11:22:13 I know that to my colleague Mr. Reddick, I haven't had a pay
11:22:18 increase either.
11:22:20 You know, I have to pay this also.
11:22:24 We all do.
11:22:25 And one of the things that we don't want to fall into, there
11:22:28 are cities across this country, whether it's flint,
11:22:31 Michigan, Detroit, other cities in the midwest, that because
11:22:37 they have not been able to take care of their financial
11:22:40 house, they have fallen where they are, furloughing people
11:22:45 to not have police respond on weekends.
11:22:50 I don't want that to happen.
11:22:52 I know we are not even close to that point.
11:22:54 But if we did the argument we do not do a rate increase, we
11:22:59 do not, you know, help pay down this debt, and eventually
11:23:02 say, now what?
11:23:04 We are not going pay our debts.
11:23:06 We are not going to be able to buy -- excuse me, pay or do
11:23:11 anything in the future.
11:23:14 We can get rid of everybody.
11:23:16 Ms. Brickhouse and her team can be fired today and it's not
11:23:19 going to solve the problem.
11:23:20 We can get rid of everybody that's in there, still not going
11:23:24 to solve the problem.
11:23:25 We still owe the money.
11:23:26 We still have to pay it.
11:23:28 And shifting it, stopping it, not paying it now is literally
11:23:34 just saying, in five years maybe we'll talk about this.
11:23:38 When we have a zero fund balance, the bond ratings
11:23:43 essentially affect every bond that we have in the future.
11:23:46 If we are not going to be able to refinance again at rates
11:23:50 that we are going to find amenable, this is not an usual you
11:23:54 of just the economy.
11:23:56 It is an issue of what our financial stewardship as council
11:24:01 members are.
11:24:02 We have a fiduciary responsibility, and unfortunately we
11:24:06 have to make that decision.
11:24:08 And Ms. Little, I appreciate, because we have gone through
11:24:10 this over the past few months, and Ms. Brickhouse, we
11:24:14 appreciate what you have done, too, trying to find ways that
11:24:17 we did not have to have as much of an increase as we
11:24:24 currently have.
11:24:24 And believe me, if we didn't do this now, and we looked at
11:24:27 some of the things that bond companies want us to do, the
11:24:30 rate increases would have been significantly more.
11:24:32 And I appreciate your help.
11:24:33 And thank you, chair, for the time.
11:24:34 >>MARY MULHERN: Councilwoman Capin.
11:24:42 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Okay, 5 and 69.
11:24:43 And because I didn't finish my thoughts, because it was
11:24:48 brought up, we are not covering, but it turns out we are.
11:24:52 So on 5, one of the things that, now, we need to look at is
11:25:02 on the commercial end, we are -- all our neighbors around us
11:25:08 are charging way more than we are.
11:25:12 And therefore, we do need to bring it up to what everyone at
11:25:21 that same level in order to keep the commercial part of the
11:25:25 business going.
11:25:27 On the part of the residential -- and to Ms. Montelione who
11:25:37 referred to things being redundant, I will be redundant and
11:25:42 what is perfectly clear to everyone, in my instance.
11:25:48 For instance, I would like to see a rational hardship policy
11:25:55 brought forth, a program for hardship policy brought forth.
11:26:02 Where I would like to make that an amendment to this if
11:26:18 Also, there were brought many shortcomings of that job.
11:26:22 Mrs. Montelione brought up.
11:26:23 And I want to know if we have had an audit, an independent
11:26:28 audit of waste management.
11:26:34 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Solid waste.
11:26:37 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I'm sorry, solid waste.
11:26:38 Thank you.
11:26:39 >>TONJA BRICKHOUSE: Tonja Brickhouse again, solid waste.
11:26:45 We have had a number of audits from residential.
11:26:48 We have had commercial.
11:26:49 We have had a number of audits conducted in the department
11:26:52 of solid waste over the last three years.
11:26:56 I hope that answers your question.
11:27:01 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Yes, ma'am.
11:27:01 Thank you.
11:27:02 Then the shortcomings that Ms. Montelione pointed out came
11:27:05 out from the audit?
11:27:09 >>KEITH BRICKLEMYER: As a result of the audit: And there
11:27:12 are a number of things that I have identified and my team
11:27:16 has identified as well outside the audit.
11:27:18 There are other things we are working on as well.
11:27:20 When I talk about business transformation from my
11:27:23 perspective, those are things where when we peel back the
11:27:26 onion, we look at the process, we also look for
11:27:29 opportunities to improve.
11:27:29 So the audits help with that process.
11:27:32 But independent of the audits we also are looking at
11:27:35 business practices internally as well.
11:27:41 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Again, I understand the increase that is
11:27:44 necessary, and that wave not had that increase since 2005.
11:27:49 But I would strongly suggest to this council that a rational
11:27:56 hardship policy be looked at very seriously on the
11:28:03 residential, and whatever I need to do to bring that forth,
11:28:09 I will do.
11:28:12 So if that's a motion, amendment, whatever.
11:28:16 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Before we get to motions, let's hear all
11:28:17 the council members.
11:28:20 Have you finished, Ms. Capin?
11:28:22 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Yes.
11:28:22 Thank you.
11:28:25 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Ms. Mulhern.
11:28:25 I apologize to her.
11:28:26 >>MARY MULHERN: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
11:28:28 I don't want -- I want to try to be brief.
11:28:31 But I guess we are talking about all of the franchise fee
11:28:37 We are talking about item 5 and 69 now.
11:28:40 We are taking those all right now, is that right?
11:28:43 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Yes.
11:28:43 >>MARY MULHERN: First of all, I would like to -- maybe Mrs.
11:28:49 Brickhouse, you are standing there, you can confirm for us.
11:28:52 The situation we are in with our bonds, wand the debt,
11:28:55 is -- outstanding debt is due to the MacKay Bay.
11:29:03 >> The waste management.
11:29:06 >>MARY MULHERN: I think that needs to be said in the
11:29:09 context of this, because the suggestion that, you know,
11:29:13 talking about audit and pointing fingers, I think that's
11:29:16 where the debt is.
11:29:17 >>TONJA BRICKHOUSE: That's correct.
11:29:22 >>MARY MULHERN: Here's what I have to say about this.
11:29:25 We are talking specifically to the -- I agree with
11:29:28 Councilwoman Capin that with franchise fees, we are not in
11:29:32 line, and we are going to need to raise those for the
11:29:36 commercial franchise fee.
11:29:38 So I will support that.
11:29:40 But as far as the raising the rates, you know, we have been
11:29:46 talking about a lot of the things that we can do to be
11:29:52 sustainable, to reduce waste, and to reduce the cost for the
11:29:57 five years I have been here.
11:29:59 And a lot of the great suggestions we have gotten from the
11:30:03 public who were here today to speak, and the e-mails we have
11:30:06 gotten, and we have been hearing and promoting these, and it
11:30:14 was really a priority for me and for other people on
11:30:17 council, when we started five years ago, I should say, and I
11:30:22 haven't seen a lot happening.
11:30:25 And I think that if you are asking this council to put into
11:30:32 effect rate increases that are going to last for five years,
11:30:35 you are asking me to do that as someone who represents
11:30:40 city-wide, the entire city, I am not going to do that today,
11:30:43 because I haven't seen the commitment from the city, from
11:30:48 the administration, to propose some long-term real solutions
11:30:56 to how we can reduce our costs, reduce our fuel usage,
11:31:02 increase our recycling, do some of these things that are
11:31:07 I mean, I have been asking for five years why we can't just
11:31:10 have once a week pickup.
11:31:12 We heard people here today saying they only need to pick up
11:31:15 every three weeks.
11:31:16 There are ways that we can reduce these costs.
11:31:19 It may not solve all of our problems.
11:31:23 It may not get our revenue up to where we need it to be, but
11:31:28 I need to see some commitment.
11:31:32 And you are going to go to Israel and come back, you know,
11:31:35 go there and see these great ideas, and the rest us talk
11:31:38 about we are traveling around, or talking to people in other
11:31:41 cities, and there are so many things we can do.
11:31:45 I have got to see some commitment from this administration
11:31:47 to doing some of those things.
11:31:48 And I would like to hear people talk about, you know,
11:31:52 reducing our carbon output, reducing our amount of waste,
11:31:57 all of those things.
11:31:58 I am not saying you are not doing it.
11:32:01 In the big picture from the last five years, I want to see
11:32:05 more before I am going to go for a rate increases that
11:32:11 people are just not ready to be able to do.
11:32:13 So I can't support that today.
11:32:17 I need some show of commitment from this administration to
11:32:23 how we are going to really take on these problems.
11:32:27 >>TONJA BRICKHOUSE: If I may, chairman, there have been a
11:32:31 number of initiatives, and I haven't mentioned them today,
11:32:34 but quite honestly since 2009 we have doing a number of
11:32:38 things to improve the operation efficiencies.
11:32:42 So one of the citizens earlier commented about improving the
11:32:46 efficiencies, we did the service day change, we have done a
11:32:51 number of things as relates to improving efficiencies,
11:32:56 saving money, being good stewards of the rate payers'
11:33:00 The other thing I would add is when we talk about
11:33:02 technology, there are some things out on the street, the
11:33:05 GPS, city-wide GPS, RFP that will go out at the end of the
11:33:10 month to even further enhance the routing.
11:33:13 So there are a number of initiatives.
11:33:15 I agree we will need to make sure that we give you an jut
11:33:18 date on what we are doing proactively to generate more
11:33:23 efficiencies, and hopefully better -- a more effective and
11:33:28 cost efficient manner of delivering services to the
11:33:32 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Let me say this.
11:33:33 And I'm sorry to interrupt.
11:33:35 I need a full board.
11:33:36 I don't have one.
11:33:40 We have taken public input, have received e-mails, we have
11:33:44 received your cooperation, and staff's cooperation, the
11:33:48 administration's cooperation, the meetings we have had, and
11:33:51 I am trying weigh the things at the same time of the
11:33:54 importance of this issue, 5 and 69.
11:33:59 I don't mind taking 5.
11:34:01 But if we think that the fees are going to go up for private
11:34:06 commercial collectors, and somebody is not going to pay for
11:34:10 it, it doesn't work that way.
11:34:13 When we do that, somebody has got to pay for the fee.
11:34:17 If it's a commercial carrier, whoever they service has got
11:34:19 to pay higher.
11:34:20 So it's a tumbling effect or Domino effect, whatever you
11:34:24 want to call it, that provides.
11:34:25 But what I am hearing -- and I am trying to expedite this,
11:34:28 and again I understand that I don't have enough votes for
11:34:33 69, item.
11:34:35 I may have them for 5.
11:34:36 You don't really know.
11:34:38 But are you finished with your presentation?
11:34:50 >> Yes, sir, Mr. Chair.
11:34:53 One last time if you might allow me to just reiterate the
11:34:55 importance of where we stand right now from a financial
11:35:00 Moving forward, do nothing, our system is bankrupt.
11:35:05 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: We know that.
11:35:06 We also know moving forward if you don't change, rates are
11:35:10 going to go higher.
11:35:12 So somebody is going to have to pay through bankruptcy, and
11:35:16 how are you going to pay?
11:35:18 >>SONYA LITTLE: And this is beyond the soiled waste system.
11:35:20 It impacts on everything, all that we do as a city from here
11:35:23 on, our costs will go up.
11:35:26 So it is a snowball effect.
11:35:30 And in putting together the analysis that was done, and
11:35:32 working with our independent rates to come up with the most
11:35:38 reasonable plan where all of our customers, all of our
11:35:44 residents, we all have to share in the burden, but trying to
11:35:47 lessen the burden as much as possible for all.
11:35:51 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Let me say this, if I may ask you a
11:35:53 Will one week, if I could move this to next week, even
11:35:56 though it's not a council meeting, to have a special called
11:35:59 meeting, to continue this conversation on 5 and 69, would
11:36:05 that be a burden to the situation of the cost effectiveness
11:36:08 of your bonds?
11:36:10 >>SONYA LITTLE: No, sir, one week.
11:36:13 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Let me tell you why.
11:36:14 We have also been working with the administration in solving
11:36:17 an increase in revenues that might be -- I say they are less
11:36:23 of an expense, with the contract, and there was a figure
11:36:29 thrown out yesterday, and I rejected that figure without
11:36:32 council's connection with the council, I should say -- I'm
11:36:37 sorry for the use of the word -- but they are very
11:36:39 Now the figure has gone higher.
11:36:43 So Mr. Territo will explain to the council now and then get
11:36:47 right back on this.
11:36:47 >>SAL TERRITO: Legal department.
11:36:50 As now we are negotiate MST on the ERP.
11:36:54 Weeki Wachee a lot of letters in there.
11:36:57 They are very anxious to get this done.
11:36:58 This quarter which will be the end of this month and they
11:37:02 have come back with a $318,000 discount on the project if we
11:37:05 can get this thing moving so we would like to request at
11:37:08 your workshop if you have a special meeting to address this
11:37:12 issue, so you are going to be somewhat bis busy next week
11:37:16 but they will come back with a discount where they are
11:37:19 anxious for their business plan and obviously we are anxious
11:37:21 to get a discount as well.
11:37:22 They have come back with the $318,000 discount, if you will
11:37:26 hold a special meeting before your workshop next Thursday.
11:37:28 >> We just filed $318,000, and the original offer was 100
11:37:36 grand, I said in a.
11:37:38 It doesn't make me any smarter.
11:37:40 I could have lost 100 grand.
11:37:42 I rolled the dice.
11:37:46 I'm still back on 5 and 69.
11:37:50 >>SONYA LITTLE: If I may also point out that right now we
11:37:53 have an opportunity to refund some of the debt, as I have
11:37:57 mentioned, and this came up just Lac last week with a
11:38:01 written proposal whereby moving forward with this
11:38:06 initiative, we could save as much as $200,000 for the
11:38:11 upcoming payment, and then in the next subsequent years, we
11:38:15 save $300 that you annually as a result of this.
11:38:19 >> Talking about the $109 million debt?
11:38:23 >>SONYA LITTLE: Yes, sir.
11:38:23 Refunding a portion of that.
11:38:25 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: About $500,000 total.
11:38:27 >>SONYA LITTLE: Over the course of the five years, we are
11:38:29 talking $3 million.
11:38:31 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I understand.
11:38:34 Yes, sir?
11:38:37 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Just also to remind you that item 6
11:38:39 travels with item 5.
11:38:41 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I understand that.
11:38:41 That's the ordinance that creates the -- that would also be
11:38:49 I understand that.
11:38:50 >>MARTIN SHELBY: And you were provided this morning with a
11:38:53 calendar in front of you.
11:38:54 For next week the 23rd you can see there are already
11:38:57 three items set for 9:00.
11:38:58 You might want to consider reordering that.
11:39:00 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I understand that.
11:39:01 >>MARTIN SHELBY: According to your council rules you are
11:39:02 not required to set the special called meeting.
11:39:04 You can set it at the beginning of a workshop.
11:39:06 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I understand that but I want the public
11:39:08 to have the fullest extent of what we are doing.
11:39:12 Yes, Ms. Mulhern.
11:39:13 >>MARY MULHERN: I was going to make a motion at your
11:39:17 suggestion to continue item 5, 6 and 69 till next week at
11:39:24 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Before -- I agree to continue it for one
11:39:29 I would like Mr. Stout to either meet with or to report to
11:39:39 the audit, the details of the audit of the solid waste by
11:39:45 next week.
11:39:47 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: That's Roger stout, the fine individual
11:39:50 who does the audit for the city and a very capable
11:39:54 I appreciate that very much.
11:39:55 And if Ms. Mulhern will incorporate that into her original
11:39:58 >>MARY MULHERN: Rate.
11:40:00 And to continue those items, and Mr. Stout to appear.
11:40:04 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion by Ms. Mulhern on item 5,
11:40:06 6 and 69 along with the motion that was made by Ms. Capin as
11:40:10 an addendum.
11:40:12 Mrs. Mulhern accepted that addendum for Mr. Stout to be here
11:40:15 and present the findings of those facts.
11:40:17 Who was second on that motion?
11:40:22 >>YVONNE CAPIN: It was to be here but to bring to
11:40:24 individually each of us --
11:40:29 >>MARY MULHERN: Before then.
11:40:30 >>FRANK REDDICK: I just want to state for the record that I
11:40:34 will be absent for the council meeting next week.
11:40:38 I just want to state that for the record.
11:40:42 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Well, I really did want to have a full
11:40:48 Mr. Suarez, I give you the floor.
11:40:50 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I'm sorry I look anxious, but obviously the
11:40:56 idea of continuing this might not work because of Mr.
11:41:00 Reddick's absence.
11:41:02 Again, I want to make sure that we vote this one way or the
11:41:05 other so that we can continue on and know what the next
11:41:07 steps are going to be.
11:41:10 On special call meetings we can make it any day of the week.
11:41:13 You made the suggestion of doing it next week, on a
11:41:17 different day as opposed to our workshop day.
11:41:21 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'm open to any Monday or Tuesday.
11:41:23 Other than next Monday I'm at Tampa water in the morning.
11:41:26 >>MIKE SUAREZ: And I hate to say this but I will be gone
11:41:30 out of the city on Monday.
11:41:31 So Tuesday the 21st.
11:41:36 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: If council wishes to have a special
11:41:37 called meeting on Tuesday, I have no objection.
11:41:39 >>MARY MULHERN: I am going to be out of town until
11:41:49 I'm here on council today and next Thursday.
11:41:51 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Yes, ma'am.
11:41:52 >>SONYA LITTLE: In light of the proposal that we have, and
11:41:56 in light of the credit review process that we are about to
11:41:58 undergo, on February 29th, beyond that, we are running
11:42:04 into a problem.
11:42:07 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: The 29th is your drop dead date?
11:42:11 >>SONYA LITTLE: To report back to one of the rating
11:42:13 >>HARRY COHEN: It's my understanding this will need four
11:42:17 votes to past and Mr. Reddick already indicated he's going
11:42:20 to vote against it.
11:42:21 So he's not here, the same reality as --
11:42:29 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I understand.
11:42:32 But I'm trying to not disenfranchise anyone.
11:42:38 I'm trying to balance it out.
11:42:40 It makes a difference how the vote is going to end.
11:42:43 But I want all the voices to be heard.
11:42:46 And that's what I am trying to accomplish.
11:42:48 So right now, I don't think I got four votes.
11:42:55 >> How about tomorrow?
11:43:09 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Friday of next week, the day after council?
11:43:13 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'm open to all suggestions in the
11:43:15 All of them other than Monday because I have a commitment
11:43:17 for the city of Tampa Bay water.
11:43:20 I'm open to all of them.
11:43:23 >>YVONNE CAPIN: What is the date of Friday of next week?
11:43:28 The 24th?
11:43:31 It would be a special called the 24th in the morning.
11:43:33 >>FRANK REDDICK: And I hate to do this, but I have to be in
11:43:44 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: No one is questioning your absence for
11:43:45 anything, sir.
11:43:46 >>FRANK REDDICK: I will won't be flying back till Friday
11:43:50 late afternoon.
11:43:55 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Well, a suggestion from council members.
11:43:57 I have tried every Avenue I can.
11:43:59 I'll take a vote on it today and see what happens and then
11:44:02 go from there.
11:44:05 I think the public spoke very well.
11:44:07 I think council members have expressed their concerns and
11:44:09 their feelings very well.
11:44:10 I think the administration has brought a plan, like it or
11:44:15 not, explained it very well, and there is where we are at.
11:44:21 So I need items 5.
11:44:23 Let's take item 5 first.
11:44:25 Have we finished with item 5?
11:44:29 All right.
11:44:29 Item number 5 on the agenda, E-2012-8 chapter 26, I need
11:44:39 someone to read that ordinance.
11:44:42 >>HARRY COHEN: I move an ordinance being presented for
11:44:44 first reading consideration, an ordinance of the city of
11:44:47 Tampa, Florida creating article 8, chapter 26, of the city
11:44:51 code pertaining to franchises for commercial solid waste
11:44:55 collection services defining terms, providing authority,
11:44:58 providing for applicability, providing requirement for
11:45:01 franchise and term of franchises, providing general
11:45:04 provision, providing application requirements for a
11:45:07 franchise, providing basis for award of franchise, denial of
11:45:11 franchise application, providing for suspension, or
11:45:13 suspension or revocation of franchise, providing right to
11:45:17 appeal the denial, suspension, or revocation of a franchise,
11:45:20 requirement to execute a franchise agreement with the city,
11:45:23 authorizing and requiring payment of franchise fees,
11:45:26 providing bond requirements, insurance requirements, and
11:45:29 requirements for books, records and reporting, providing
11:45:32 methods of making commercial solid waste collections,
11:45:35 providing for inspections, providing enforcement procedures,
11:45:38 and legal remedies, providing penalties for violations,
11:45:41 providing for repeal of all ordinances in conflict,
11:45:43 providing an effective date.
11:45:45 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion by Mr. Cohen, I have a
11:45:47 second by Mr. Suarez and Mrs. Montelione, all the avenues
11:45:55 that I wanted to go into.
11:45:58 I want to thank Mrs. Montelione.
11:45:59 This is first reading.
11:46:01 Certainly if it passes it will come to second reading and
11:46:03 then the public will certainly have the rate to speak at
11:46:05 that time.
11:46:06 I have a motion by Mr. Cohen, I have a second by Mr. Suarez.
11:46:09 All in favor of the motion please indicate by saying aye.
11:46:12 Opposed nay.
11:46:14 Motion passes 6 to 1.
11:46:16 Clerk, you may read into the record.
11:46:18 >>THE CLERK: The second reading of the ordinance will be
11:46:21 held had March 1st at 9:30 a.m.
11:46:24 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you all very much.
11:46:26 Item number 6 presented for first reading is an ordinance of
11:46:28 the City of Tampa present, in the utilities.
11:46:33 Mr. Cohen.
11:46:34 >> I move number 6.
11:46:38 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Second bid Mr. Cohen.
11:46:39 You have to read it.
11:46:39 >>MIKE SUAREZ: An ordinance on first reading consideration,
11:46:44 an ordinance of the city of Tampa, Florida pertaining to
11:46:47 amendment to chapter 26 City of Tampa utilities ordinance
11:46:50 article 1, administrative provisions, section 26-5-4
11:46:54 administrative authority, providing for repeal of all
11:46:56 ordinances in conflict, providing an effective date.
11:47:00 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion by Mr. Suarez, I have a
11:47:02 second by Mr. Cohen.
11:47:03 All in favor of that motion please indicate by saying aye.
11:47:05 Opposed nay.
11:47:07 Motion passes 6 to 1.
11:47:09 >>THE CLERK: Second reading of the ordinance will be held
11:47:11 March 1st at 9:30 a.m.
11:47:14 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I go to staff reports and I am going to
11:47:15 take item number 69.
11:47:19 We have discussed 69 thoroughly, administration, public,
11:47:23 council members all spoke to it one way or the other.
11:47:26 This is a resolution.
11:47:28 I need someone to move the resolution.
11:47:31 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I move 69.
11:47:33 >>HARRY COHEN: Second.
11:47:35 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion by Mr. Suarez, second by
11:47:37 Mr. Cohen on 69.
11:47:38 All in favor please indicate by saying aye.
11:47:42 Opposed nay.
11:47:42 Motion passes 5 to 2, I believe.
11:47:44 >>THE CLERK: With Reddick and Mulhern voting no.
11:47:49 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: That's what I heard.
11:47:54 Sometimes I have to question myself.
11:47:55 Thank you all very much for attending.
11:48:00 Thanks again.
11:48:01 Mrs. Montelione made my job much easier.
11:48:04 Ms. Capin had wanted to speak.
11:48:07 And I am going bring it up under information.
11:48:10 She wanted to be heard on information so I am going yield to
11:48:13 public information before I go to the rest of the agenda.
11:48:16 Hopefully that's all right with council members.
11:48:17 And I don't know what the subject matter is.
11:48:19 I have an idea what it is.
11:48:22 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Yes, thank you.
11:48:24 Very quickly.
11:48:25 As you can see, we changed our color on the banner, USF.
11:48:32 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: A miracle back there.
11:48:34 >>YVONNE CAPIN: We do wonderful things here.
11:48:35 And that is in support of our university and our city.
11:48:40 And one of the things that I would like to bring up is that
11:48:47 since we are all here, some of the work that I have heard in
11:48:50 the media, and quotes from leaders, is the sorry state of
11:49:05 affairs, extreme ideology, and this is in reference to
11:49:11 Senate bill that is being presented.
11:49:14 I want to express my objection to the attacks on our
11:49:18 university, the University of South Florida, and I want to
11:49:23 let everyone know that the University of South Florida is a
11:49:26 cultural asset.
11:49:28 It is the economic engine of central Florida, and it is
11:49:32 under siege, and we need to protect it.
11:49:37 Mr. Suarez indicate that he had wanted to make a motion to
11:49:41 council, and so I will defer to Mr. Suarez on USF.
11:49:46 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Mr. Suarez.
11:49:47 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you, chair.
11:49:49 I reiterate what Councilwoman Capin has mentioned.
11:49:54 Cuts to education mean something more than just an amount of
11:49:58 money paid to a university.
11:50:00 It means a cut to the kind of-- kind of economic
11:50:04 opportunities that are out there.
11:50:06 The City of Tampa needs a university like USF, like
11:50:11 university of Tampa, HCC, saint Leo, all the other community
11:50:15 colleges and universities around there, and we cannot allow
11:50:20 a vendetta against our city and our universities to go
11:50:25 So with that I would like to make a motion that the council
11:50:29 be requested to prepare a letter to the Hillsborough County
11:50:33 legislative delegation, the board of governors of the
11:50:35 university system, and other interested parties for
11:50:38 signature by chair Miranda to voice our disappointment with
11:50:41 the intended funding cuts and to show our support for USF.
11:50:49 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion by Mr. Suarez.
11:50:50 Seconded by Mrs. Montelione.
11:50:53 And let me say this.
11:50:56 Very rarely do we have a chance to insult everybody.
11:51:01 Very rarely.
11:51:03 And I mean in a disrespect to anybody in elected office.
11:51:06 But this usual you has insulted everybody.
11:51:09 This is an insult of greatest insults ever.
11:51:13 You don't pick out one university because they didn't give
11:51:16 you what you wanted.
11:51:17 That's what this is all about.
11:51:21 This is about one individual who has taken a personal
11:51:23 vendetta about the University of South Florida.
11:51:27 Why is it that one university is going to reduce by 20
11:51:31 million or 22 million in one bite, 100 million let's say.
11:51:37 Those numbers are not exact but you get the picture.
11:51:39 This is not -- it's about grown up people.
11:51:42 Those days of playing hopscotch, and jacks and fiddle sticks
11:51:48 are over.
11:51:48 This is not about Republican and democrat.
11:51:51 This is about human beings.
11:51:53 You talk about education.
11:51:54 You want to do this when you get elected.
11:51:56 And what happens?
11:51:57 At the end of the day, one individual wants to sit up and
11:52:01 says, I hold the purse strings.
11:52:04 Well, you may hold the purse strings but you the people have
11:52:07 the votes.
11:52:07 The I-4 corridor is the most populated corridor in Florida
11:52:12 which represents an enormous amount of votes, and if you
11:52:15 think that they are not watching what you are doing or what
11:52:19 I am doing and what we are doing, you are wrong.
11:52:22 So wake up and grow up.
11:52:25 Forget who you are and who your family is, and how much
11:52:30 money you have and do the right thing.
11:52:31 And play by the scorecard.
11:52:34 Play within the lines.
11:52:36 All sports have a deadline.
11:52:38 All sports have a playing field.
11:52:40 The ones that don't have deadlines and the ones that don't
11:52:43 have sports fields is the sport of politics.
11:52:47 I hate to put that the way.
11:52:48 We got to that level.
11:52:49 So I have a motion by Mr. Suarez.
11:52:51 I have a second by Mrs. Montelione.
11:52:53 And I have to leave.
11:52:54 I am going try to take this vote.
11:52:56 I got Mrs. Capin and then Mrs. Montelione.
11:53:02 >>YVONNE CAPIN: And to the letter, I would like to add to
11:53:04 address it to the legislature and the governor.
11:53:07 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
11:53:10 Mrs. Montelione.
11:53:10 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I just want to put this in perspective.
11:53:14 The University of South Florida is the third largest
11:53:17 employer of individuals of our community behind MacDill
11:53:21 Air Force Base, and the school board.
11:53:24 The Senate, if I am correct, the Senate last night passed
11:53:29 that budget with those cuts in place.
11:53:32 The house had previously passed the budget with between 9
11:53:37 and 11% budget cuts to the university.
11:53:41 We are looking at cuts to the University of South Florida's
11:53:44 There is no doubt about that.
11:53:46 Now it's just a matter of horse trading to find out between
11:53:50 the Senate and the house of the State of Florida how deep
11:53:54 those cuts are going to be.
11:53:58 Everyone, whether you live or work in the area around the
11:54:03 University of South Florida, is touched by this.
11:54:08 You don't think you are, imagine MacDill Air Force Base
11:54:14 The impact that this will have to the University of South
11:54:18 Florida would equate to the same thing, and many of you have
11:54:22 been in the community for a long time remember the ruckus
11:54:25 caused when the proposed MacDill -- the proposal was to
11:54:29 cut MacDill Air Force Base out of the department of
11:54:32 defense budget.
11:54:33 We have to rise up as a community and contact everyone,
11:54:37 phone calls and e-mails work.
11:54:40 Contact your state representatives in the house, and your
11:54:45 state representatives in the Senate.
11:54:46 I'm not sure that's going to do any good.
11:54:49 But you have the opportunity to have your voice heard.
11:54:53 The third largest employer in the area, essentially cut by
11:55:01 That's a huge impact.
11:55:07 This is in my neighborhood, so I have to say that -- it's in
11:55:12 all our neighborhoods.
11:55:13 I live a few blocks from there.
11:55:16 So it will have a devastating effect on my community.
11:55:19 Thank you very much.
11:55:21 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you.
11:55:21 All right.
11:55:22 I have a motion on the floor.
11:55:23 All in favor of the motion please indicate by saying aye.
11:55:25 Opposed, nay.
11:55:26 The ayes have it unanimously.
11:55:30 I am going to ask the council late earth on to put the RFP
11:55:34 with Mr. Oracle, Mr. Territo to come up and spend if that's
11:55:39 necessary for next week, fanned the administration agrees
11:55:41 with the settlement is this company.
11:55:45 I'm sorry I have to leave but I do have to do what I have to
11:55:48 do at this time.
11:55:50 I leave it in the capable hands of Ms. Mulhern.
11:55:53 Thank you.
11:55:53 >>MARY MULHERN: Okay.
11:56:00 We have a request of council if you are willing to hear item
11:56:05 number 70.
11:56:08 We have a large number of people hear for that hearing.
11:56:10 So I would like to take that up next.
11:56:15 And we will go back to our regularly ordered agenda after
11:56:20 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Since we are four minutes away from noon, we
11:56:29 may want to extend time.
11:56:33 >>MARY MULHERN: Yes, that's what I am asking, how council
11:56:35 would feel about extending it for -- I don't know, half an
11:56:41 hour, an hour?
11:56:44 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Although I did come back, I have to
11:56:46 leave probably by five or six after 12.
11:56:51 You can be back for this afternoon's agenda if council
11:56:54 desires to come back after lunch.
11:56:56 >>MARY MULHERN: Are there other people that can't stay,
11:57:06 delay lunch?
11:57:07 How about if we come back at -- could people be back, and
11:57:12 we'll just come back at 1:30 and that will be the first
11:57:15 thing we hear?
11:57:23 We will move on to our committee reports.
11:57:26 >> Could I say a word about this?
11:57:37 >>MARY MULHERN: On item 70?
11:57:38 >> Yes, ma'am.
11:57:39 >>MARY MULHERN: Are you the petitioner?
11:57:40 >> No.
11:57:41 I represent Southside Baptist church and we are within so
11:57:43 many feet of this location.
11:57:46 And we just have a group of people and most of them cannot
11:57:49 So I just wanted to be seen and a couple come back but
11:57:56 that's basically what I wanted.
11:57:57 It was on the docket for 10:30.
11:57:59 >>MARY MULHERN: Yes, anyone who has ever watched a council
11:58:02 meeting -- but if you are item number 70 it's probably not
11:58:07 going to be heard -- I don't know, what is it you want?
11:58:09 You want people to stand, raise their hands?
11:58:12 >> Yes, ma'am.
11:58:13 I just want you to know that there is they're was opposition
11:58:16 against it.
11:58:16 >>MARTIN SHELBY: This is quasi-judicial, though.
11:58:19 >>MARY MULHERN: We have to object the public hearing.
11:58:21 I'm sorry.
11:58:22 1:30, that's pretty good to be here for.
11:58:28 I'm really sorry.
11:58:29 We just had a really full morning.
11:58:31 >> I understand.
11:58:32 I just want PD you to know that there were people here.
11:58:35 >>MARY MULHERN: We are moving on to our committee report.
11:58:45 Councilman Reddick, Public Safety Committee.
11:58:47 >>FRANK REDDICK: I move item 7 through 14.
11:58:52 >> Second.
11:58:54 >>MARY MULHERN: All in favor?
11:58:55 Anyone opposed?
11:58:57 Parks and recreation, Councilwoman Montelione.
11:59:00 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I move 15 through 24 for approval.
11:59:07 >> Second.
11:59:08 >>MARY MULHERN: All in favor?
11:59:10 Anyone opposed?
11:59:12 Public Works Committee, Councilman Suarez.
11:59:14 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I move items 25 to 3.
11:59:18 >>HARRY COHEN: Second.
11:59:20 >>MARY MULHERN: 25 through 33.
11:59:23 All in favor?
11:59:25 Anyone opposed?
11:59:31 Finance Committee, Councilman Cohen.
11:59:33 >>HARRY COHEN: Move items 34 through 39.
11:59:36 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Second.
11:59:39 >>MARY MULHERN: Seconded by Councilman Suarez.
11:59:42 Item 34 through 39.
11:59:43 All in favor?
11:59:45 Anyone opposed?
11:59:47 Building and zoning, Councilwoman Montelione.
11:59:49 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I move items 40 through 56 for approval.
11:59:53 >> Second.
11:59:56 >>MARY MULHERN: Items 40 through -- you said 56?
12:00:02 All in favor?
12:00:04 Anyone opposed?
12:00:10 Transportation committee, Councilwoman Capin.
12:00:13 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I move items 57 through 59.
12:00:15 >> Second.
12:00:17 >>MARY MULHERN: All in favor?
12:00:20 Anyone opposed?
12:00:26 Continued public hearing.
12:00:27 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Madam Chair, if I can.
12:00:34 You are coming up upon 12:00.
12:00:36 I wonder -- the other thing I wish to do, Mr. Territo has
12:00:42 asked that before council breaks for lunch, so that that the
12:00:45 administration has with certainty that the item regarding
12:00:47 the ERP requested for next week's workshop be placed on the
12:00:53 next week's agenda following the commendation by motion
12:00:55 before you leave for lunch.
12:00:56 Is that correct, Mr. Territo?
12:00:59 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I'll make that motion.
12:01:01 >>HARRY COHEN: Second.
12:01:02 >>MARY MULHERN: That's item number 65?
12:01:05 >>MARTIN SHELBY: No, eights new item.
12:01:07 >>MARY MULHERN: Sowing want to put on?
12:01:11 >>SAL TERRITO: Legal department.
12:01:12 You know, we have been negotiating with AFT company on this
12:01:16 >>MARY MULHERN: Fell us what the letters stand for.
12:01:20 >> Enterprise resource planning.
12:01:22 And this is the large computer program, management programs
12:01:27 we are getting ready to go to partnership with the county.
12:01:30 We have gotten an offer made to us by the company that they
12:01:33 would like to get this done this month for business reasons,
12:01:38 and as incentive to getting it done this month they will
12:01:41 give us a discount of $318,000 from the price they gave us.
12:01:44 So trying to accommodate that and get it done this month,
12:01:48 they are requesting there be a special meeting at your
12:01:51 workshop next week, or on the workshop item to take the vote
12:01:54 on this issue.
12:01:55 >>MIKE SUAREZ: So moved.
12:01:59 >>HARRY COHEN: Second.
12:02:00 >>MARY MULHERN: Any discussion on the motion?
12:02:02 It's very interesting how all this happens whale we are
12:02:04 sitting here, and couldn't have been put on the agenda.
12:02:11 All in favor?
12:02:12 Anyone opposed?
12:02:14 That will come back next week at 9:00.
12:02:19 Is that right?
12:02:21 >>SAL TERRITO: Yes, ma'am.
12:02:22 Thank you.
12:02:22 >>MARY MULHERN: It looks like we are going to have to break
12:02:25 for lunch, is that right?
12:02:30 I thought we would start with 70, but we can't do that.
12:02:33 And --
12:02:38 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I'm sorry, I didn't hear what you were
12:02:41 >>MARY MULHERN: I had a question.
12:02:47 I had asked to have number 70 heard, but we probably need to
12:02:54 do -- can we do that before our 9:30 scheduled hearings?
12:03:01 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Yes.
12:03:02 >>MARY MULHERN: Is there any reason we can't do that?
12:03:04 >>MARTIN SHELBY: No reason.
12:03:05 >>MARY MULHERN: Could I get a motion from someone to do
12:03:09 >> So moved.
12:03:10 >> Second.
12:03:10 >>MARY MULHERN: All in favor?
12:03:14 Anyone opposed?
12:03:15 And then council, it looks like we have got people who have
12:03:23 to leaf.
12:03:24 I don't know if we are going to have time to pass any --
12:03:29 >>MIKE SUAREZ: There was a memo given to us by Jan McLean
12:03:32 of the legal department saying we could move item number 65
12:03:34 to another date.
12:03:35 >>MARY MULHERN: Great.
12:03:42 So we will do that.
12:03:42 >>MIKE SUAREZ: We can move that to the next scheduled
12:03:48 council meeting which would be March 1st during staff
12:03:51 >>HARRY COHEN: Second.
12:03:54 >>MARY MULHERN: All in favor?
12:03:56 >>HARRY COHEN: Motion to adjourn till 1:30.
12:04:06 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Second.
12:04:08 >>MARY MULHERN: We'll be back at 1:30. We'll first hear
12:04:11 item number 7 and then go onto the 9:30 public hearing.
12:04:14 (City Council meeting in recess)
12:04:25 >>MARY MULHERN: City Council is called to order.
01:39:58 We are going to start with agenda item number 70.
01:40:02 >>THE CLERK: Roll call.
01:40:08 Suarez, here.
01:40:12 >>HARRY COHEN: Here.
01:40:17 >>MARY MULHERN: Here.
01:40:26 >>FRANK REDDICK: Here.
01:40:28 I wish to bring to council's attention and the petitioner in
01:40:31 this case, is petitioner here?
01:40:35 I just wish to bring to council's attention, I don't know if
01:40:37 other council members are expected back or when they are
01:40:40 expected back, but just for the purposes of quasi-judicial
01:40:43 hearing, rule 60 states if at a quasi-judicial public
01:40:47 hearing only four members of City Council present to take
01:40:52 action then the petitioner shall have the right to request
01:40:55 If there is less than a full City Council, then the
01:40:59 petitioner may request to continue the matter but not as a
01:41:02 matter of right.
01:41:03 So that being the case, I just wish to bring to your
01:41:07 attention that if petitioner does wish to have City Council
01:41:13 here with four members, City Council can certainly do that.
01:41:17 But per council's rule, it would require a unanimous vote,
01:41:21 which is why council has this rule.
01:41:23 >>MARY MULHERN: I don't know if Councilwoman Montelione is
01:41:29 coming back.
01:41:34 She is?
01:41:34 Okay, because she said she was leaving.
01:41:36 So I don't know either.
01:41:40 I believe Councilwoman Capin is going to be back.
01:41:43 >> I would go ahead and reschedule.
01:41:50 I want to reschedule it if possible.
01:41:52 >>MARY MULHERN: Well, you know, we moved you to the first
01:41:58 We moved this to hear it first.
01:42:00 >> I didn't ask for the.
01:42:02 >>MARY MULHERN: I think it was the -- it was the other.
01:42:09 Maybe it was the neighborhood.
01:42:11 So you want to ask for a continuance?
01:42:15 They might be back if you want to wait if six people is
01:42:19 >> That's fine, you can wait.
01:42:20 >> Do you want to wait and we'll go back to the regular
01:42:24 >> Okay.
01:42:26 >>MARY MULHERN: So that would bring us back to item, I
01:42:28 believe, item 61.
01:42:34 No, item 60.
01:42:35 >> Land development.
01:42:49 Plans have been certified.
01:42:51 Staff is here to answer any questions in that case.
01:42:52 >>MARTIN SHELBY: With regard to item 60 and 61 those are
01:42:56 both quasi-judicial.
01:42:57 However, those are second readings and they were unanimous
01:43:00 the first time around.
01:43:01 >>MARY MULHERN: Right.
01:43:02 So item number 60, if we could have a motion to open the
01:43:06 public hearing.
01:43:07 >>MIKE SUAREZ: So moved.
01:43:09 >>FRANK REDDICK: Second.
01:43:10 >>MARY MULHERN: All in favor?
01:43:11 Anyone opposed?
01:43:12 >> I was sworn earlier.
01:43:21 I don't know whether that expired.
01:43:24 >>MARY MULHERN: Yes.
01:43:25 If anyone is wishing to speak on any public hearing, please
01:43:28 stand and be sworn in.
01:43:30 Anyone wishing to speak on any hearing today.
01:43:35 (Oath administered by Clerk)
01:43:38 >> Truett Gardner, 400 North Tampa Street.
01:43:52 We have three items for clarification between first reading
01:43:54 and now.
01:43:55 Those were done.
01:43:56 Second one has been certified.
01:43:57 We would ask for your continued support for our project.
01:44:00 And it's been a month since our last case.
01:44:05 I want to remained you again that we have the personal
01:44:08 letters from six adjacent property owners support as well as
01:44:11 a petition which was signed by 433 additional people.
01:44:16 I would appreciate your support.
01:44:18 Thank you.
01:44:18 >>MARY MULHERN: Mr. Gardner, what were the three items that
01:44:23 needed to be certified?
01:44:26 >> Sure.
01:44:26 One was at the suggestion of council member Suarez, which
01:44:29 was clarifying the hours of operation to make them more
01:44:33 stringent than code.
01:44:34 That was done.
01:44:35 There was a conflicting reference to code as well as more
01:44:38 stringent hours.
01:44:40 So that was done.
01:44:42 Transportation had a couple comments, they didn't like the
01:44:45 dimension of the handicapped space and wanted the three
01:44:48 other on-site spaces to be categorized as compact.
01:44:53 That was done.
01:44:53 And lastly was the parking count.
01:44:58 Leases have been approved but the parking count had not been
01:45:01 determined, and that was done.
01:45:02 >>MARY MULHERN: Okay.
01:45:06 Thank you.
01:45:08 Anyone else wishing to speak on this?
01:45:10 >>FRANK REDDICK: Move to close.
01:45:15 >> Second.
01:45:15 >>MARY MULHERN: All in favor?
01:45:21 A motion?
01:45:23 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I will move this item.
01:45:26 >>MARY MULHERN: Read it.
01:45:27 >> Ordinance presented for second reading and adoption, an
01:45:31 ordinance approving a special use permit S-2 for alcohol you
01:45:33 can beverage sales, but lounge, on premises only, and making
01:45:37 lawful the sale of beverages regardless of alcohol you can
01:45:40 content, beer wine and liquor, on that certain lot, plot or
01:45:43 tract of land located at 421 South MacDill Avenue, Tampa,
01:45:47 Florida as more particularly described in section 2, that
01:45:52 all ordinances or parts of ordinances in conflict are
01:45:55 repealed, providing an effective date.
01:46:00 >>FRANK REDDICK: Second.
01:46:02 >>MARY MULHERN: Motion made by Councilman Suarez, seconded
01:46:05 by Councilman Reddick.
01:46:08 Please vote and record.
01:46:09 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried with Capin, Miranda and
01:46:19 Montelione being absent.
01:46:20 >>MARY MULHERN: Item number 61.
01:46:35 The petitioner was here this morning and was not able to
01:46:40 stay but wanted it to be noted in the record that he was
01:46:43 here all morning hoping to be here for the second hearing.
01:46:54 So staff?
01:47:10 This is second reading.
01:47:12 Is there anyone from the public wishing to speak on this?
01:47:16 Item number 61.
01:47:21 >>FRANK REDDICK: Move to close.
01:47:22 >>HARRY COHEN: Second.
01:47:23 >>MARY MULHERN: All in favor?
01:47:28 Councilman Reddick, could you read this ordinance?
01:47:33 >>FRANK REDDICK: Move an ordinance for second reading and
01:47:35 adoption, an ordinance vacating, closing, discontinuing,
01:47:38 abandoning that alleyway lie east of North Boulevard, west
01:47:44 of north Woodrow Avenue, south of west Braddock street and
01:47:48 north of west Alfred street in excels your subdivision, a
01:47:53 subdivision in the City of Tampa, Hillsborough County
01:47:55 Florida, the same being more fully described in section 1
01:47:58 hereof providing an effective date.
01:48:04 >>HARRY COHEN:
01:48:06 >>MARY MULHERN: Motion by Councilman Reddick, seconded by
01:48:09 Councilman Cohen.
01:48:10 Please vote and record.
01:48:15 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried with Montelione and Miranda
01:48:18 being absent.
01:48:18 >>MARY MULHERN: Item number 62.
01:48:29 >>JULIA COLE: Legal department.
01:48:32 I had submitted for your review and approval a proposed
01:48:36 resolution for the complete street.
01:48:41 You took the language from that resolution from several
01:48:44 source, worked with transportation, department of public
01:48:46 works, put in some specifics, and as showing City Council
01:48:53 support of moving towards that as the city goes to redevelop
01:48:58 or do any type of infrastructure work within the public
01:49:04 I'm prepared to answer any questions that you may have.
01:49:08 >>MARY MULHERN: Any questions from council?
01:49:11 >> Move resolution 62.
01:49:20 >>MARY MULHERN: Motion by Councilman Reddick, second by
01:49:24 Councilman Suarez.
01:49:25 All in favor?
01:49:27 Anyone opposed?
01:49:29 Motion passes.
01:49:36 Item number 63.
01:49:38 >> Jean Duncan, transportation division.
01:49:47 Go Bulls.
01:49:49 Here to share some fabulous news that we received through
01:49:52 working with the county, the MPO, this board, of course, and
01:49:58 The county has made arrangements to take a look at their
01:50:04 researching program and funds available to that program to
01:50:10 resurface from Bayshore from Rome to Gandy.
01:50:15 This was an initial tough that I know this board was very
01:50:17 much a part of and good news that was something that was
01:50:20 able to be coordinated through these different agencies.
01:50:23 I'm here to answer any questions.
01:50:24 I think Mr. Cohen might have some input on that as well.
01:50:28 >>HARRY COHEN: Yes, thank you, Ms. Duncan.
01:50:33 I would like to, on behalf of all the citizens of the City
01:50:36 of Tampa, thank the Board of County Commissioners,
01:50:41 particularly commissioner Murman, who spearheaded the effort
01:50:44 to use some excess money that had been saved off of another
01:50:49 county project to do a resurfacing of the asphalt on
01:50:54 Bayshore Boulevard from Rome to Gandy.
01:50:57 If you remember, when this issue first came up, there were
01:50:59 really three items that we talked about.
01:51:03 This was one of those.
01:51:05 Another was the landscaping in the median on the north half
01:51:09 of the street.
01:51:10 The mayor released a plan not too long ago showing that the
01:51:15 Parks and Recreation Department was going to do a very
01:51:19 robust landscaping on those medians.
01:51:21 And then the third issue was the concrete on the north
01:51:25 stretch of Bayshore, and before Mr. Daignault left the city
01:51:31 we had the opportunity to talk at some length about that,
01:51:34 and he educated me that that was really a much more
01:51:37 complicated project than these other two.
01:51:41 And while it's something that we are going to look at
01:51:44 finding some solutions for, it's not something that can be
01:51:47 done quickly or unexpensively.
01:51:49 But the other two portions of the improvement projects are
01:51:53 going ahead.
01:51:54 I think the resurfacing is going take place in April.
01:51:57 And I believe that the landscaping project is going to start
01:52:01 >>> Yes.
01:52:04 There's planning underway.
01:52:05 I know that's an initiative the Parks Department is working
01:52:08 on to get done before August.
01:52:11 So it will add a lot of value to that portion of Bayshore
01:52:17 and will continue on into the future as well.
01:52:19 >>FRANK REDDICK: I just want to ask you a question while
01:52:24 you are here.
01:52:27 I read, I believe this morning in the paper, about
01:52:30 Hillsborough Avenue and Department of Transportation is
01:52:35 looking that I think you are supposed to come back to us
01:52:39 with a report.
01:52:39 >> Yes, sir.
01:52:40 >>FRANK REDDICK: Can you tell me -- and can you tell me
01:52:44 when you plan on coming back with that report?
01:52:46 >> I don't know that it's scheduled, but it's on radar to
01:52:51 come back in the very near future.
01:52:53 If you would like me to come back I am ready to come back
01:52:56 and give you a report on that.
01:52:57 >> Because I was impressed with what I read this morning.
01:52:59 >> Yes, got some good information on that.
01:53:01 >> I just want to see --
01:53:03 >> We can come in in the next couple council meetings and
01:53:06 give a full summary of everything that we have done on the
01:53:11 request that you all made when that happens.
01:53:13 >>MARTIN SHELBY: The 15th.
01:53:18 >>FRANK REDDICK: How about March 15th?
01:53:20 I make that motion.
01:53:21 >>MARY MULHERN: Seconded by Councilman Suarez.
01:53:27 All in favor?
01:53:30 >>MARY MULHERN: Thank you, Mrs. Duncan?
01:53:34 >> Yes, ma'am.
01:53:35 Item number 64.
01:53:49 We have a memorandum from Thom Snelling indicating there are
01:53:58 no new developments.
01:54:07 Council, any comments?
01:54:14 Councilwoman Capin.
01:54:17 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I did get an opportunity to speak with
01:54:19 whatever the person that's involved in the group that is
01:54:25 trying to bring forth the chronic homeless to shelters.
01:54:35 And they are working very diligently.
01:54:38 And that does happen.
01:54:42 You have to put it to work, as we have seen.
01:54:44 But the information was pretty optimistic.
01:54:51 And that was a good sign.
01:54:55 As far as, you know, coming forth with ideas, I think we
01:55:00 have come forth with ideas.
01:55:02 I know I have.
01:55:03 And this was one of them which was to try to see if there
01:55:08 were any properties in the city that we could look at.
01:55:16 I'm hopeful or more than hopeful that by next month's
01:55:20 meeting we will have a report on this, but I'm not sure.
01:55:26 I don't know if we want to continue it.
01:55:30 >>HARRY COHEN: I believe it's supposed to be a monthly
01:55:33 report, so I think it's going to be coming back to us in a
01:55:37 I would just like to say this.
01:55:40 We listened to an awful lot of public comment this morning
01:55:43 about the Trinity Cafe issue.
01:55:47 And certainly, no matter where you fall on that, no matter
01:55:52 what your opinion is on where it belongs or doesn't belong,
01:55:56 the fact of the matter, there is a need out there, and the
01:55:59 need is growing, and the need continues to build up as the
01:56:04 economy continues to flounder.
01:56:06 And, you know, we have expressed our frustration before that
01:56:12 we haven't been able to come up with adequate answers to do
01:56:16 about this problem, and, you know, we need to just continue
01:56:21 to talk about this I think regularly, and again, come back
01:56:27 with some additional ideas in terms of the ways to deal with
01:56:36 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I agree.
01:56:37 If nothing else, coming back, talking about it regularly and
01:56:41 bringing it forth.
01:56:42 So I appreciate Councilwoman Montelione's motion to bring
01:56:49 this forth.
01:56:49 And we do have to talk about it on a monthly basis until a
01:57:02 >>MARY MULHERN: I just want to be say since we did listen
01:57:07 for a good at least an hour this morning to residents that
01:57:14 don't want to have a facility for feeding people in their
01:57:22 neighborhood because of, you know, the reason that we need
01:57:31 Trinity Cafe is because we have people who have no food, and
01:57:36 a lot of people have nowhere to live.
01:57:39 So, you know, we heard this morning about the problem that
01:57:44 is so vast, and I'm very proud of this council for
01:57:52 continuing to ask for the city to help us find solutions for
01:57:56 this problem.
01:57:57 And I have to say that, you know, this discussion got
01:58:01 started with a push for us to ban panhandling, and whatever
01:58:07 is going on with this group, I have reached out to this Ybor
01:58:12 group, not to mention any names, who won't even talk to me
01:58:17 or speak with me.
01:58:19 So, you know, as City Council, we know that we have all
01:58:23 those properties, which Councilman Reddick, you know, spoke
01:58:28 about at our last meeting.
01:58:29 Let's do something about it.
01:58:31 I mean, let's do something about this problem that we have.
01:58:37 We have properties.
01:58:38 You know, we have some really interesting proposals.
01:58:41 I mean, mostly it was sad to hear people say, I don't want
01:58:45 this in my neighborhood, I don't want this in my
01:58:47 neighborhood, and I totally understand it, and people have,
01:58:50 you know, worked really hard to make their neighborhood a
01:58:54 better place.
01:58:55 I know we are going to talk about this later.
01:58:57 But I think in the context of the fact that we have asked
01:59:01 the city to help find some places, or a place for people,
01:59:08 and we have the question of whether we need a comprehensive
01:59:11 center, centralized center, or as somebody proposed today,
01:59:16 it needs to be more centralized.
01:59:18 What do we have that we could offer?
01:59:23 This city has all of those properties.
01:59:24 And we need to start working.
01:59:27 We better be working with this group.
01:59:30 And since we can't talk to each other as council people,
01:59:36 hopefully my colleagues are having some discussions with
01:59:39 people in the county or whoever is behind whatever this
01:59:44 proposal is, and we will hear something concrete about it.
01:59:59 I guess we'll be talking about this again next month.
02:00:02 Item number 65 has been continued.
02:00:11 Item number 66.
02:00:13 >>CATHERINE COYLE: Zoning administrator.
02:00:14 You asked me to report on the status of Trinity Cafe and
02:00:17 their restaurant.
02:00:18 They are in the permitting process to remodel the structure
02:00:21 for a restaurant at 2801 Nebraska.
02:00:24 They had originally come in for an alternative design
02:00:26 exception to potentially reduce parking that was based on a
02:00:30 canopy structure that they had attached to the building.
02:00:33 Basically to give coverage to people that might be waiting
02:00:39 They actually came back and withdrew that request at the end
02:00:42 because they chose to remove the canopy.
02:00:44 The canopy installed was triggering and additional occupant
02:00:48 load which triggered additional parking.
02:00:50 Once they took the canopy off, based upon the occupant load
02:00:54 they had sufficient parking on-site so they withdrew the
02:00:57 So today, they are going through the permitting process to
02:01:00 remodel the site and the building as a restaurant.
02:01:04 And the property is zoned CG commercial general.
02:01:07 >>HARRY COHEN: So for the benefit of the people that have
02:01:12 been following this all morning, all the people that came in
02:01:16 to speak to us today during public comment were not really
02:01:20 here to address the specifically land issue that we are
02:01:24 going to take up.
02:01:24 They were, in fact, speaking with administrative decisions
02:01:31 being made by the city, correct?
02:01:33 And because, as I understand it, this whole process, under
02:01:37 our code, is taking place outside of the office of City
02:01:45 >>CATHERINE COYLE: I would say yes because you have already
02:01:47 adopted the regulations, the use table, classifying use
02:01:50 across the city.
02:01:51 They came in and asked the question and they were classified
02:01:53 as a certain use and are going through the permit process.
02:01:56 >> And the use classified as a restaurant?
02:02:00 >> Correct.
02:02:01 Based upon historical interpretation as well.
02:02:06 Many years ago on Kennedy and Dale Mabry, right near that
02:02:11 Under a previous ad zoning administrator that was treated as
02:02:15 a restaurant with preparation and service food, essentially,
02:02:18 by a private entity, not a public entity.
02:02:21 And as a restaurant.
02:02:23 Quite frankly, the restaurant, you have much more
02:02:25 restriction and regulation for parking and landscaping,
02:02:28 signage, and there's much more regulation on where they can
02:02:30 go in the city, which districts can have a restaurant,
02:02:33 obviously in residential district.
02:02:36 So the most similar use was by operation of the use was a
02:02:39 restaurant at that time.
02:02:40 That's how it was treated.
02:02:41 This one came in, similar type use.
02:02:45 It was asked a parking question, what the parking ratio
02:02:48 would be, and we went with the historic petition.
02:02:52 >>MARY MULHERN: Councilman Suarez.
02:02:55 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Ms. Coyle, I guess question we are going to
02:03:00 have to have -- because this is part of what's going on with
02:03:02 the neighborhood -- is it a restaurant?
02:03:04 And as I read what the definition, our definition of a
02:03:07 restaurant is, is that it is selling food for money.
02:03:12 It is not just an operation of giving food.
02:03:15 Now, obviously that's not something that we necessarily
02:03:17 contemplate when we write this that we are going to check
02:03:20 and make sure that you are, quote-unquote, a restaurant.
02:03:24 Okay, you come here, we go by the base us of I'm starting a
02:03:29 business and I want to make money, so yes, obviously, I'm
02:03:32 selling food.
02:03:35 Having said that it also says in here it needs to meet a
02:03:38 certain use from the State of Florida, if that's correct.
02:03:41 And what are the definitions in terms of what the State of
02:03:43 Florida requires you to be as a restaurant?
02:03:46 What are the criteria that they look at that is separate
02:03:52 from what we look at in terms of what defines a restaurant?
02:03:57 >>CATHERINE COYLE: The interesting part is restaurant is not
02:03:59 an actual classification, it's a public food service
02:04:03 We use the generic term restaurant and define what that is.
02:04:06 Under the circumstances essentially service of food to the
02:04:09 I can actually get the definition if you want to see what it
02:04:12 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I'm looking at the definition now, and what
02:04:16 it says, one part of it, all restaurant shall be
02:04:19 appropriately licensed as a restaurant or similar food
02:04:21 service type use by the State of Florida.
02:04:25 >>CATHERINE COYLE: Right.
02:04:25 I was talking about the state definition.
02:04:30 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I don't know what the state definition is,
02:04:32 that as long as they are -- they can give food outside of a
02:04:37 restaurant without charging.
02:04:38 What does that mean now?
02:04:39 If you follow what I'm saying.
02:04:41 What criteria does the state use to characterize you as a
02:04:45 restaurant as opposed to what we use when we have it as food
02:04:49 preparation and selling.
02:04:52 >>CATHY COYLE: Right.
02:04:53 >>MIKE SUAREZ: So I think we all have been to -- Trinity
02:05:00 Cafe, some of the other places hour, do they justify being a
02:05:04 restaurant if they are not selling food?
02:05:05 >> For me the selling part is just part of the definition.
02:05:09 We debated this, actually Ms. Cole and I, is it selling it
02:05:13 for a penny?
02:05:14 Or is it the actual cost of the meal?
02:05:17 Lofts restaurants have giveaways where they give away free
02:05:20 meals at certain times of the year, whatever else.
02:05:23 It's something we can certainly look into.
02:05:25 And in our discussions with Mr. Reddick, we agreed we could
02:05:29 do additional research for it.
02:05:30 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I think that's really the nexus of this
02:05:33 particular discussion, which is we can -- you can fall into
02:05:40 lots of different categories and do lots of different things
02:05:42 by calling yourself a restaurant.
02:05:44 But aren't actually doing that.
02:05:46 Now, if you are not serving alcohol and some of the on the
02:05:48 things that we have ordinances to protect us against someone
02:05:52 doing, but in this case, it does kind of fall within a
02:05:56 crack, within our ordinances, and I would like to see what
02:06:00 the State of Florida -- since we do mention the State of
02:06:02 Florida's criterion here, what do they determine as a
02:06:07 Because I don't want to see someone actually outside the
02:06:11 scope of our ordinances saying they are a restaurant for the
02:06:14 only purpose of repermitting and having a use there that
02:06:18 they want and saying, well, you know what?
02:06:21 We are just going to call ourselves a restaurant and be able
02:06:23 to use it.
02:06:24 And I know that you try to avoid that, too.
02:06:26 But sometimes your hands are tied more than mine are.
02:06:29 In terms of me asking questions.
02:06:31 You have to follow the ordinances.
02:06:32 I can look at the ordinances and make a determination as to
02:06:35 whether or not our council should change an ordinance.
02:06:39 So I'm just asking if you can give us some more detail on
02:06:43 that, because I think that's an important part of this whole
02:06:47 discussion with Trinity Cafe.
02:06:49 So thank you.
02:06:49 >>MARY MULHERN: Councilman Reddick.
02:06:53 >>FRANK REDDICK: Let me just follow up with some questions
02:07:01 by Councilman Suarez.
02:07:02 It's my understanding that Trinity, they have people that
02:07:05 come in between 6:00 and 6:30 in the morning, prep the meal,
02:07:10 prepare the food, and then they serve to the those people in
02:07:17 the morning time.
02:07:18 And once they serve the food, they shut down.
02:07:20 Is that correct?
02:07:22 >> Yes, actually, if I could clarify, some of the
02:07:25 information that was relayed to you by the neighborhood
02:07:27 folks said was related to them by Trinity is actually
02:07:31 different than what Trinity directly related to us.
02:07:35 We understood from Trinity it was approximately 250 meals a
02:07:37 There was no discussion of box lunches.
02:07:43 Essentially they said they have a chef which comes in with
02:07:46 his employees, they are actually employees, they come in and
02:07:49 they prep and cook the food, they have some type of
02:07:52 ticketing system or something elsewhere they actually have
02:07:54 the people that have invitations or tickets or something to
02:07:59 the lunch.
02:07:59 And the way it was described, they actually wanted to have
02:08:02 tables, with tablecloths, they wanted to have real porcelain
02:08:07 ditches, have an environment where people sit down and
02:08:10 actually are served a meal.
02:08:12 And they are going to have waiters essentially and bus
02:08:15 And the way the function was described to us, short of them
02:08:20 not paying for the meal, it literally sounded just like the
02:08:23 definition of a restaurant.
02:08:26 The chef in the kitchen, they had the employs, they had
02:08:28 people serve the tables, cooking the preparation, after the
02:08:31 lunch is done, then they do close down.
02:08:36 >>FRANK REDDICK: Well, that goes back to Councilman Suarez.
02:08:44 If you read this definition of a restaurant, they specify
02:08:50 that the restaurant consists of selling food.
02:08:56 And based on what you just explained, they are not selling
02:09:00 anything, they are just serving, and once they finish
02:09:05 serving is 250 people, they shut their doors until the next
02:09:11 And you said they are in the process of applying for
02:09:15 >> They have applied for permits.
02:09:18 >>FRANK REDDICK: Is it possible that you can clarify the
02:09:23 definition of a restaurant as it pertains to selling?
02:09:28 Because if I read this definition that I am looking at, that
02:09:36 was passed out to us, 27-545, is this state or city policy?
02:09:43 >>CATHERINE COYLE: It's the city.
02:09:44 >>FRANK REDDICK: And it makes it clear hear that they must
02:09:49 be selling as part of the restaurant.
02:09:51 So Trinity is not selling, they are just serving.
02:10:01 They classify themselves more as like a soup kitchen, or a
02:10:06 legitimate restaurant, and if we can get some clarity on
02:10:10 that, I would appreciate that, because this is very
02:10:15 confusing to me as far as selling.
02:10:20 If we can get some clarity on.
02:10:22 That and I think I would like to get it prior to Trinity
02:10:29 submitting their permits.
02:10:31 When we discuss that before council.
02:10:33 >>CATHERINE COYLE: Already have --
02:10:42 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Actually looked it up.
02:10:44 I apologize.
02:10:45 >> Mrs. Kert has wonderful technology available.
02:10:51 >> COLE: The definition of food service establishment means
02:10:54 anyplace where food is prepared and intended for individual
02:10:57 portion service and includes the site at which the
02:10:59 individual portions are provided.
02:11:01 The terms include such place regardless whether consumption
02:11:05 is on or off premises and regardless whether or not there's
02:11:08 a charge for the food.
02:11:10 From a state level perspective the fact that you might be
02:11:12 charged or you might not be charged would then have the
02:11:16 effect of the regulation of that establishment as a
02:11:19 >>FRANK REDDICK: Thank you.
02:11:23 >>MARY MULHERN: Councilman Cohen.
02:11:25 >>HARRY COHEN: It may not be under the state, but
02:11:27 Councilman Suarez and Councilman Reddick are absolutely
02:11:30 right, under the definition that the city has.
02:11:33 The city's definition says "and selling of food."
02:11:39 It does not say "or selling of food."
02:11:41 If it said "or selling of food" it would be optional but
02:11:46 "and" makes it compulsory. And I have served at the Trinity
02:11:49 Cafe, Councilwoman Capin and Mulhern have served there with
02:11:53 I think it is one of the most marvelous organizations that I
02:11:56 have ever seen in this city.
02:11:58 I can't tell you how supportive I am of their mission.
02:12:01 But the code, and what it says, is what it says.
02:12:04 And a restaurant under the city's rules includes selling of
02:12:10 And Trinity Cafe does not sell food even for a penny.
02:12:14 They don't.
02:12:15 >>MARY MULHERN: Councilman Reddick.
02:12:22 >>FRANK REDDICK: I don't want to prolong this, but where
02:12:28 does this lead us?
02:12:29 Because if the state is saying one thing and the city --
02:12:38 where does this lead us as it relates to Trinity?
02:12:42 >>JULIA COLE: Legal department.
02:12:45 It creates -- and I understand council's issue.
02:12:50 And the way our definition reads the way the state's reads,
02:12:56 keep in mind this particular establishment is in a
02:12:59 commercial general district.
02:13:01 And I can get up and read to you all of the different uses
02:13:05 and intensity of uses that are allowed in a commercial
02:13:09 general district, regardless of whether or not we can truly
02:13:14 classify this as a restaurant or one of the other uses, you
02:13:17 can't make any kind of zoning or land use decision on the
02:13:20 basis of who that user is.
02:13:23 It is an establishment that has groups gathering together to
02:13:27 eat a meal, and have them leave.
02:13:32 So what you want to look at are what are all the particular
02:13:35 uses allowed in CG, and since we don't have a definition of
02:13:39 soup kitchen within our code or something similar, what
02:13:44 would be a similar use based upon not the use but the
02:13:50 intensity of the use.
02:13:51 And I think that that is one of the issues that we face when
02:13:54 you look to regulate any particular use, but when you are
02:13:59 looking to regulate a use which part of that regulation is
02:14:02 based upon the user is, it becomes somewhat easily
02:14:08 complicated because you start to have issues relating to
02:14:13 religion land institutions act which limits how you regulate
02:14:16 any church based or religious based organization, you have
02:14:19 ADA requirement, you have equal protection requirements, and
02:14:23 you have to be very cognizant and careful that you don't
02:14:25 treat a similarly situated use differently because of who
02:14:30 the user is.
02:14:31 And I think it would be important to understand the types of
02:14:35 needs and uses that are allowed in CG -- Ms. Coyle, I think,
02:14:39 has that information, and allow her to use that.
02:14:43 >>CATHERINE COYLE: Just to relay, in a different kind of
02:14:49 way what Mrs. Cole just said, on a regular basis people come
02:14:53 in for permitting and I don't necessarily mean our office,
02:14:56 permitting, build, remodeling a specific building.
02:15:00 There are any infinite amount of uses anyone can think of.
02:15:05 Our use table will not probably cover every possible
02:15:08 scenario of use.
02:15:09 And we have a provision in our code which really speaks to
02:15:13 at administrative level when someone comes in and asks for
02:15:16 certain use in a sixth certain district that's not
02:15:19 specifically in there, and we have looked to what are the
02:15:21 other uses allowed in a district, county be equal allowed
02:15:26 and applied in that district?
02:15:29 On its face in this particular location if the user happens
02:15:32 to be homeless or working for or is receiving a meal for
02:15:35 free, and you look at the function of what it is, they are
02:15:38 cooking food, they are serving food, they are cleaning up,
02:15:41 it's food service, that's the nature of that particular use
02:15:45 we were looking at.
02:15:46 What are other similar uses in the CG district?
02:15:50 A clinic is allowed.
02:15:51 And our clinic definitions is not specified whether or not
02:15:54 it's a free clinic or any other type of clinic, a paid
02:15:59 clinic or otherwise, but you could have a large amount of
02:16:02 queuing in a clinic facility.
02:16:03 A fraternity, sorority.
02:16:05 A hospital is allowed in CG.
02:16:07 A place of assembly, which is an arena, a stadium, a
02:16:12 A hotel or motel or church or rooming house, retail, such as
02:16:17 big box retail, very, very large uses are allowed in CG.
02:16:22 So in classifying this type of use, looking at the nature of
02:16:25 the use and how it operates, it seems logical in a general
02:16:32 commercial district.
02:16:32 >>MARY MULHERN: Councilman Suarez.
02:16:34 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Ms. Coyle, you protest too much.
02:16:37 If it's not in the ordinance -- I mean, we are not singling
02:16:42 out anyone that's in the ordinance.
02:16:45 I understand the argument that Ms. Cole makes and I
02:16:48 understand what you are saying.
02:16:50 Yes, it is for different things.
02:16:53 But looking at the language, the language says selling.
02:16:55 What is the definition of selling in our ordinance?
02:16:59 That's the question to ask.
02:17:00 I am not asking going to ask you to answer it right now but
02:17:03 that is a question to ask.
02:17:05 If I went downtown to a place similar to Trinity and asked
02:17:08 to be fed, would they feed me?
02:17:10 Sure they would, right?
02:17:11 But you just mentioned ago somebody is going to have tickets
02:17:14 and everything else.
02:17:15 Again, is it selling, is it not selling?
02:17:17 If it's not selling, then we understand that.
02:17:19 Maybe they don't fit into the ordinance.
02:17:20 And that's a discussion that legal and everyone else will
02:17:23 have to have.
02:17:24 But really the driver of this is whether or not they sell
02:17:27 food and whether or not the ordinance allows that as a
02:17:31 quote-unquote selling.
02:17:32 And I think that's enough of it right now.
02:17:35 I don't think there's any other issue in terms of the
02:17:39 intensity of use, when it's allowable if you have a regular
02:17:44 restaurant, meaning one that was for profit.
02:17:47 So we are not trying to situate them differently because one
02:17:52 charges and one doesn't.
02:17:53 The only reason we are doing it, it's in the ordinance,
02:17:57 I mean, there's a reason why the ordinance was created to
02:17:59 begin with, with selling as part of it.
02:18:02 I'm not sure what that reason was.
02:18:03 You probably weren't here when this was written.
02:18:06 At least I don't think you were.
02:18:12 (multiple conversations)
02:18:15 When you wrote the ordinance, probably got a mold ordinance
02:18:18 somewhere else, you looked at different sources.
02:18:20 I know how you all work.
02:18:22 And again, we are not trying to make it, at least in my
02:18:25 mind, I'm not trying to make it in terms of Trinity, just
02:18:28 whether or not the definition is met in terms of what the
02:18:30 use is, period.
02:18:31 >>CATHERINE COYLE: Really we were treating them as a
02:18:40 restaurant, figuring out what the parking ratio is.
02:18:44 It was really that particular case.
02:18:47 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Point is well taken.
02:18:48 Again, you have a tough job because you have all these
02:18:53 You are always trying to figure out where they would fit.
02:18:55 And because part of the ordinance is something that's been
02:19:00 brought up, that is something we may have to look at to
02:19:06 figure out whether it does fit under the ordinance.
02:19:09 >> And I think we would agree with that.
02:19:11 >>MARY MULHERN: Councilwoman Capin.
02:19:13 >>YVONNE CAPIN: So, therefore, a cafe could come in and
02:19:19 charge a penny for meal and someone could pay 250 pennies
02:19:25 and that would fit according to -- "a cafe," I said, a penny
02:19:35 is paying.
02:19:36 There's in a limit.
02:19:37 It says the sale.
02:19:38 But it doesn't say how much.
02:19:42 And I heard about a penny.
02:19:44 So I'm thinking --
02:19:53 >> I was looking at a definition of sale.
02:19:56 We in the city don't regulate how much things cost or how
02:19:59 much they charge.
02:19:59 If they charge at a loss, that's a bigs business decision.
02:20:06 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Thank you.
02:20:08 >> No problem.
02:20:09 >>MARY MULHERN: Ms. Coyle, you might have addressed this at
02:20:16 the beginning.
02:20:17 But the reason that Trinity Cafe is moving -- why are they
02:20:29 >>CATHERINE COYLE: I can't say.
02:20:30 I don't know. I don't know why people do what they do.
02:20:33 They just come in and apply.
02:20:35 >>MARY MULHERN: It wasn't for any -- they made the decision
02:20:41 to move.
02:20:46 This is what I think is going on.
02:20:49 We are quibbling over these definitions because the
02:20:52 neighborhood feels that there is a use that's too intense
02:20:57 for them, that they are not happy with, and if we had
02:21:03 clearer definition somewhere in our code for this, then they
02:21:07 might have some ability to have a hearing before it comes
02:21:14 into your neighborhood.
02:21:15 So I think that's what needs to be addressed.
02:21:22 When a place of religious assembly is requested, I think it
02:21:25 needs to come to council, right?
02:21:30 >> Not in CG.
02:21:32 >>MARY MULHERN: Not in CG?
02:21:34 So daycare, and as it halls been that way?
02:21:41 >> General commercial district is a broad district.
02:21:47 You have everything coming to you that was in a commercial
02:21:49 general district uses Luke just mentioned, you would have
02:21:53 tens of thousands.
02:21:54 >> They only come to us if --
02:21:56 >> To the residential districts.
02:21:58 >> If it's in residential.
02:22:06 Well, this is what strikes me about this.
02:22:08 We are in a terrible time now, where there are more and more
02:22:11 people who are hungry and have nowhere to eat or sleep, and
02:22:17 we are fighting over where to put people.
02:22:19 And we have got to penny up and help here.
02:22:26 The city has to.
02:22:27 And, you know, I think this council passed hiring a
02:22:34 consultant just to deal with our CDBG funding, did we?
02:22:40 Did we pass that?
02:22:44 >> It wasn't to hire a consultant.
02:22:46 I had invited the individuals coming to the federal reserve
02:22:50 workshop, the national Development Corporation, to come and
02:22:53 speak to us, because one of the functions that the
02:22:55 corporation does is on CDBG issues.
02:23:01 We don't have the authority to enter --
02:23:04 >> No, I'm not talking about that.
02:23:10 This council, we mapped out appropriation for that.
02:23:14 So this was my problem.
02:23:15 And I think -- I don't remember if I voted for that or not.
02:23:19 But the problem is, we are shirking any responsibility for
02:23:25 this type of thing, for the kinds of -- you know, what are
02:23:35 we going to do?
02:23:36 So we end up with people in here who want, you know, don't
02:23:39 want their neighborhood poorly impacted, and where are our
02:23:45 hungry and our, now, starving -- where are the poor people
02:23:49 supposed to go?
02:23:51 And this city can't come up with some help for that, we are
02:23:55 going to be having people every single week coming here with
02:23:58 these problems.
02:23:59 So I think that we need to have -- you know, if we had some
02:24:09 staff people whose job it was, or one person, or one
02:24:12 department at least whose job it was to deal with all these
02:24:16 kinds of issues, we might be able to work on these things,
02:24:22 in a better way.
02:24:23 So, you know, rather than hiring someone to work on some of
02:24:26 the very limited funding we can get, to have somebody in the
02:24:30 city or a department that is dedicated to helping to solve
02:24:35 some of the problems of poverty, homelessness, joblessness,
02:24:43 foreclosure, all those things are huge.
02:24:44 I think rather than having an entire neighborhood take their
02:24:49 kids out of school to come here and discuss it, maybe bee
02:24:52 should be putting a little of their taxpayers dollars
02:24:56 towards getting the professionals to solve it.
02:24:59 And I'm not talking about consultants, because the problem
02:25:02 is not going to go away.
02:25:04 Councilwoman Montelione.
02:25:06 >>LISA MONTELIONE: This is an issue that isn't going away.
02:25:10 Probably this is from the beginning of time and it's
02:25:14 exacerbated by certain events in our city at this time is
02:25:19 the economic crisis and the downturn of the economy which
02:25:22 has exacerbated a problem that already existed.
02:25:28 We are told on many occasions that the City of Tampa doesn't
02:25:31 engage in social service programming.
02:25:33 However, we do provide funding to other agencies that do
02:25:37 provide social services to the citizens.
02:25:41 Our budgets are constrained as is everyone's, and we are
02:25:46 seeing reduction in the federal dollars coming in, that's
02:25:50 the CDBG funds, we are going to see very large reduction in
02:25:54 those fund, so it is difficult.
02:25:56 And, yeah, I agree with you, we need to have a more
02:26:00 proactive role in establishing or coordinating or somehow
02:26:06 assisting the citizens, but I don't know that one person is
02:26:09 going to dot.
02:26:10 I think that's a team job and we have to have all the
02:26:14 department as cross city function, putting their heads
02:26:18 together, because there's a lot of different departments
02:26:21 that could possibly play a role in assisting those less
02:26:28 fortunate of our community.
02:26:32 And it was said earlier -- and I am not sure if this is
02:26:38 research or anecdotal information, that when you
02:26:42 decentralize social services, it has a negative impact on
02:26:46 I do know that programs that are holistic and treat many of
02:26:51 the causes of the problems of homelessness and poverty are
02:27:00 needed to be offered in conjunction with one another.
02:27:03 However, I think that because of the individuals that are
02:27:08 waiting out side the establishment such as Trinity cafe or
02:27:13 the Salvation Army, the pictures that we saw this morning of
02:27:16 individuals waiting for the doors to open at various
02:27:19 establishments, and to get services, is a sign that we don't
02:27:23 have enough of these establishments around.
02:27:26 If we had ten Trinity Cafes in ten different neighborhoods,
02:27:32 then one neighborhood wouldn't be impacted to the degree
02:27:35 that they are.
02:27:37 We would have, as many mentioned this morning, an equal
02:27:42 distribution of services across neighborhoods, and not have
02:27:44 them all fall on the shoulder of the individuals who live in
02:27:50 VME Ybor or who live in Tampa Heights.
02:27:53 So that's one of the things, I think that is a challenge we
02:28:00 need to find an answer to.
02:28:01 How do we create additional services, how do we create
02:28:06 places in great numbers so that there aren't hundreds of
02:28:13 people waiting for the limited services of one program that
02:28:21 offers meals to individuals?
02:28:24 And you are right, there are many, many more people on the
02:28:27 We were dealing with a number of 17,000 last year.
02:28:31 I was at a rehearsal for the homeless coalition and the
02:28:35 numbers were up to 18,000.
02:28:37 That's the new number we are using.
02:28:39 So somewhere in the past six months we added another
02:28:42 thousand people to the homeless rolls in Hillsborough
02:28:49 So I'm not sure we are going to be able to arrive at an
02:28:52 answer today.
02:28:53 I'm not sure that preventing Trinity Cafe from opening in
02:28:58 this location is a solution to the problem that we already
02:29:03 have or we'll exacerbate the problem we already have, but I
02:29:08 do know that we are required to follow the code and
02:29:13 procedures and policies that we have in place.
02:29:16 And as several of my colleagues have pointed out, it says
02:29:22 "and restaurants" and we do have a restaurant of what a
02:29:25 definition is, and I am a believer in following our code and
02:29:31 affording equal opportunity to those establishments,
02:29:36 businesses, individuals who follow the letter of the law of
02:29:40 our code.
02:29:41 >>MARY MULHERN: I don't know, Ms. Coyle, lacking someone
02:29:53 else, since we don't have someone who were in a department
02:30:00 who deals with this sort of thing, who is it that if this
02:30:04 Trinity Cafe opens, who is it that is going to address the
02:30:08 adverse impacts that this neighborhood is worried about?
02:30:15 >>CATHERINE COYLE: If there are any issues with this
02:30:17 establishment as with any, debris, literally, noise,
02:30:24 vagrancy, any of that type of issues, there are a whole list
02:30:27 of miscellaneous offenses and things in the code that code
02:30:31 enforcement or TPD can deal with.
02:30:33 >>MARY MULHERN: Is there someone here who can address some
02:30:37 of these questions that people had?
02:30:38 We had so many people here this morning.
02:30:41 With questions about how this is going to impact their
02:30:43 neighborhood and wanting us to stop it from happening.
02:30:46 And you are telling us, even if we wanted to, which I am not
02:30:50 saying I do --
02:30:53 >>CATHERINE COYLE: I would imagine that anybody that would
02:30:54 be able to address an enforcement question probably is not
02:30:57 present given the motion which was for me to report back on
02:30:59 the status.
02:31:01 >>MARY MULHERN: Well, yes.
02:31:03 >>HARRY COHEN: I would like to ask that we ask neighborhood
02:31:07 relations to come to our next regularly scheduled meeting so
02:31:11 we can talk to them about setting up something to deal with
02:31:16 all of the issues that were raised this morning.
02:31:19 I mean, it's a huge number of people that were here to
02:31:24 express concern.
02:31:24 I think that's something that office should be working on.
02:31:32 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Knowing the function of neighborhood
02:31:34 services, I'm not sure that's the appropriate department.
02:31:39 Neighborhood services right now is two people, and I'm not
02:31:42 sure that that's one of their charges.
02:31:44 But code enforcement certainly, it would be one of their
02:31:50 charges and I think it's code enforcement that should be
02:31:53 invited because they are going to be the ones who are
02:31:55 checking up and making sure that the regulations of our code
02:31:58 are being adhered to and whether or not they are being
02:32:01 So I think it would be code enforcement that would be
02:32:08 Both usually get involved.
02:32:09 >>MARY MULHERN: Councilman Reddick, then Councilwoman
02:32:15 >>FRANK REDDICK: Let me go back to the original intent of
02:32:18 why people were here this morning.
02:32:20 They came because they are concerned about Trinity opening
02:32:25 up as a restaurant.
02:32:28 That was the main focus.
02:32:29 And then they contacted me and wanted me to put that on the
02:32:36 agenda, because of their concern.
02:32:37 Now, that's the issue, to address or not to address about
02:32:48 the restaurant, and that's what they don't want.
02:32:50 Secondly, the pictures that you saw this morning, those
02:32:55 pictures reflect, once that place is closed at 12:00 or 2:00
02:33:01 in the afternoon, those people hanging around, they don't
02:33:04 And that's why you saw the people sitting down, why you saw
02:33:08 some of them laying down.
02:33:09 They have nowhere else to go.
02:33:12 And so those are pictures that they are hanging around in
02:33:15 the neighborhood, and that's where the neighbors are
02:33:19 complaining, because once that place closes, once they feed
02:33:23 them, they close shop, and they are out of there by 12:00,
02:33:26 no later than 2:00 in the afternoon.
02:33:28 So those people, they are fed, they have nowhere else to go,
02:33:32 they just congregate around, and this is where -- if you
02:33:38 pass by there -- and I have done that numerous times just to
02:33:42 see what was going on -- you see them walking up and down
02:33:48 that neighborhood all day.
02:33:51 So I think the focus, whether it's going to be a restaurant
02:33:56 or not, and whether we have authority to approve it or deny
02:34:08 to put a restaurant there.
02:34:11 So how we address that.
02:34:12 >>MARY MULHERN: Councilwoman Capin.
02:34:14 >>HARRY COHEN: I guess my intent here is to make sure this
02:34:20 gets back onto our agenda as quickly as possible.
02:34:26 I recognize what everyone is saying.
02:34:29 Multiple parts of city government that may be able to help
02:34:32 us work through this.
02:34:34 But without specific action being in front. Us to too on a
02:34:38 land use issue, I think all we can really do is bring the
02:34:41 staff in here from various different departments to try to
02:34:44 get a dialogue going.
02:34:46 But neighborhood relations, code enforcement, maybe TPD.
02:34:50 If you can think of anyone else that ought to come, we
02:34:53 should have them, and then maybe we can bring everyone
02:34:55 together in one place.
02:34:56 >>FRANK REDDICK: I second your motion.
02:35:03 >>MARY MULHERN: The motion is?
02:35:04 >>HARRY COHEN: On March 1st under staff reports to ask
02:35:07 neighborhood relations, code enforcement, TPD, and any other
02:35:14 area, Ms. Coyle, from land development, to ask these and
02:35:24 anyone else that would have some jurisdiction over helping
02:35:28 us deal with this problem, perhaps the city attorney's
02:35:32 office as well, to come in here and be here so we can have a
02:35:38 wide ranging discussion on the issues that were raised today
02:35:41 by the people in public comment.
02:35:43 >> Could I ask budget and finance to that?
02:35:55 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Adding the different parts which is not just
02:35:57 one, but it is all of them together.
02:35:59 And I'm glad that it was seconded.
02:36:04 But it shows the level of frustration that we feel here with
02:36:11 this issue.
02:36:15 I have been on council almost two years, and it's from the
02:36:18 beginning two years, and it's just worse.
02:36:21 We have a thousand more.
02:36:24 It is beyond frustrating.
02:36:26 But at least a dialogue, and we don't stop the blowing is
02:36:31 what we can do.
02:36:32 Thank you.
02:36:32 >>MARY MULHERN: We had another different department.
02:36:36 Tell us.
02:36:41 Motion by Councilman Reddick, seconded by Councilman Cohen.
02:36:45 Or the other way around?
02:36:47 Motion made by Councilman Reddick, seconded by Councilman
02:36:50 Cohen -- did I say it again?
02:36:52 [ Laughter ]
02:36:57 All in favor?
02:36:59 Mr. Shelby, March 1st?
02:37:03 Staff reports?
02:37:04 >>MARTIN SHELBY: The question was, in terms of framing a
02:37:06 motion, when the administration looks at the action agenda,
02:37:10 and looks at what your expectations are, and how they can
02:37:14 formulate their expectation, this broad range discussion, I
02:37:21 would ask that you give more specific direction, because of
02:37:24 the fact that, first of all, staff report on a regular
02:37:28 meeting day, and secondly, what expectation you have of each
02:37:32 department in preparation for presentation to City Council.
02:37:36 And that's the kind of discussion that goes on.
02:37:39 >>HARRY COHEN: I would say a public comment this morning
02:37:45 could be a guide as to the types of questions that we are
02:37:47 looking to have answered.
02:37:48 There were an awful lot of people that came up here today
02:37:51 that asked questions of us.
02:37:53 And I think a review of the transcripts might be in order to
02:37:58 look and see what some of those questions were.
02:38:00 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I can be specific as to why I think
02:38:06 finance and budget should be here.
02:38:09 We need to evaluate, and they could probably do this on
02:38:13 hopefully our automated systems, where we provide reports on
02:38:18 what the cost is to the various departments, TPD included,
02:38:25 code enforcement included, solid waste included, for the
02:38:33 impacts for permitting the impacts.
02:38:35 So each of those departments budgets, the three I just
02:38:39 mentioned, are impacted by having to respond to clean up
02:38:42 streets when there's trash laying around, for code
02:38:45 enforcement to go out and look at those. If we look at how
02:38:48 much money we are spending on the back end to address
02:38:51 problems that neighborhoods are seeing, then maybe we can
02:38:55 turn this around, put money into programming so we can
02:38:59 prevent those things from happening and spend money to
02:39:01 prevent issues coming up that we are later back going and
02:39:10 cleaning up.
02:39:11 So I'm looking at the fiscal impacts that the social
02:39:13 services has on neighborhood.
02:39:18 So what is it costing us to enforce the regulations that
02:39:24 pertain to the special service programs we have?
02:39:27 And perhaps find the budget, starting to look at next year's
02:39:34 budget already, so where are we going to find the money to
02:39:37 create pro programs?
02:39:38 That's what I want finance and budget to come forward with.
02:39:45 >>MARY MULHERN: Did we vote?
02:39:50 All in favor?
02:39:51 Anyone opposed?
02:39:57 Let's go to item number 70 now.
02:40:08 Do we need to open the public hearing?
02:40:16 Can I have a motion?
02:40:18 >> So moved.
02:40:20 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Second.
02:40:22 >>MARY MULHERN: For that and all remaining public hearings
02:40:24 for today.
02:40:24 All in favor?
02:40:31 >> Joel Sousa, land development.
02:40:35 Application number V-12-73, property address is 6117 South
02:40:39 Dale Mabry Highway, development and review committee has
02:40:44 reviewed the application and find it consistent with the
02:40:46 applicable City of Tampa development regulations.
02:40:49 The current zoning district is CG commercial general.
02:40:53 Proposed special use being requested is alcoholic beverage
02:40:56 sales, beer wine and liquor, package sales offpremises
02:41:01 consumption only.
02:41:05 The request, I think you all have passed out the overlays.
02:41:11 The site plan four.
02:41:13 Special use again for alcoholic beverage sales, beer wine
02:41:18 and liquor, the site plan is being occupied by retail
02:41:21 convenience store, the past 27 years.
02:41:25 The application, a convenience store, liquor store,
02:41:31 encompasses 2,411 square feet indoors only.
02:41:37 The site utilizes parking which totals nine spaces.
02:41:41 I will show you photographs of the site.
02:41:50 This should be in your packet.
02:41:52 Dale Mabry Highway running south towards MacDill Air
02:41:56 Force Base.
02:41:57 This is the location.
02:41:58 The avenue.
02:41:59 Home Depot to the north.
02:42:09 This is what the site looks like right now, front of the
02:42:19 This is looking from the south.
02:42:21 South looking northwest.
02:42:24 The corner lot.
02:42:30 Looking at it from the north.
02:42:31 Looking south wards towards the Air Force Base.
02:42:34 This is the subject property.
02:42:35 A car wash next door.
02:42:43 Running down Dale Mabry over here.
02:42:46 Your staff report shows three waivers.
02:42:56 Change of use from retail to retail.
02:42:59 Adding to the component of liquor sales alone does not make
02:43:03 any change of use in intensity of the property.
02:43:06 So the waivers they are requesting is section 27-272, reduce
02:43:12 the required minimum distance separation from 250 feet to
02:43:15 1607 feet.
02:43:17 Further establishment selling alcohol you can beverages.
02:43:19 And the second is section 27-272, reducing separation from
02:43:25 250 feet to 8 feet to residential uses.
02:43:28 They are not required a parking waiver.
02:43:32 And they are not changing.
02:43:40 >> Ducks you liberty.
02:43:44 I'm the representative for jet in jet out.
02:43:48 My client is requesting a 3 PS.
02:43:51 He wants to turn a convenience store into a parkage store,
02:43:58 not on premises, everything has to go.
02:44:03 My client has been at this location for about five months.
02:44:06 He hasn't had any issues with the police department or as
02:44:11 far as I know anything else.
02:44:14 He owns the property directly across the street XL, also a
02:44:19 convenience store.
02:44:19 He has been there for ten years.
02:44:21 No issues over there.
02:44:24 He understands that there is residential behind, but he is
02:44:29 commercially zoned.
02:44:30 And wherever you go on Dale Mabry, it's all homes behind
02:44:36 I did go to the church across the street.
02:44:39 I spoke to the pastor over there on Zion and he stated he
02:44:45 has in a issues with it whatsoever, that he understands that
02:44:47 everybody is trying to make a living today.
02:44:50 He says if there was any issues that he would definitely go
02:44:53 to Omar, the owner of the store and ask him whatever the
02:44:58 issues were, ask him to try to resolve it.
02:45:02 If that doesn't work, then he said he would come to city.
02:45:05 He is willing to do anything that he can to make this happen
02:45:10 for himself, for the business, for the community.
02:45:12 He went into N that story about -- store about five months
02:45:16 It the store was run down, dirty.
02:45:18 He came in.
02:45:19 He paved the parking lot.
02:45:20 He put a new roof on for the owner of the store.
02:45:23 He painted -- he cleaned up and put new flooring down, some
02:45:29 new equipment inside.
02:45:31 He wants to make it good for the community to where it's not
02:45:35 rundown looking.
02:45:37 He doesn't want any transients outside.
02:45:39 He doesn't want people hanging out.
02:45:44 He has told me over and over, I just want to do whatever
02:45:48 they want me to do.
02:45:49 He is going to spend a lot of money, well over $300 that you
02:45:54 to put this in the community.
02:45:57 He's just willing to do anything.
02:46:02 I did go to the homeowners association meeting.
02:46:04 The only person that that I see here from the homeowners
02:46:08 association is the vice-president.
02:46:13 He's the only one here today.
02:46:15 The rest of the people I have not had the opportunity to
02:46:17 speak with.
02:46:20 Any questions?
02:46:25 >> My name is Joe Booher.
02:46:40 I have been sworn in. I live on South Westshore circle I am
02:46:44 the treasurer of the Sun Bay South, sometimes known as Gandy
02:46:50 Civic Association.
02:46:51 You all probably have a coast e-mail that was sent to each
02:46:55 and every one of the council members regarding the position
02:46:58 of the association.
02:47:00 Weighed two meetings on this matter.
02:47:06 This month we invited Mrs. Libuti to come make her
02:47:10 presentation and I won't read the whole thing.
02:47:12 You can do that yourself.
02:47:13 The bottom line was on last Monday night when I was actually
02:47:19 chairing the meeting for the association, and I'm sure he's
02:47:20 here with me in spirit, and I asked if anyone changed their
02:47:30 mind from their original vote, which was taken in January.
02:47:40 The answer was no, we did not have any changes of opinion.
02:47:43 So we stand against these waivers in particular, and in
02:47:49 addition to that, we have some other items that I will say
02:47:53 very quickly if I have time.
02:47:56 In addition to the concerns, A and D regarding precedent and
02:48:01 compatibility, those are references in my e-mail and I hope
02:48:04 you have them.
02:48:05 The staff report supports our concerns for the reduction in
02:48:10 separation of 250 feet to 8 feet from residential as well as
02:48:14 separation from the churches.
02:48:18 About a thousand foot separation are therefore reason and I
02:48:21 hope the council will stand that you are ground on that.
02:48:26 This block of Dale Mabry has been a source of 39 police
02:48:28 calls in three years, this one particular address.
02:48:33 That's one every month.
02:48:35 That's excessive in my idea.
02:48:39 Last night I drove by the property three times, very slowly,
02:48:41 and observed what was going on, and I saw no loitering in
02:48:47 the convenience store to their credit but next door in the
02:48:50 car wash there were three people and two cars parked in the
02:48:55 car wash bay, one with the trunk open, and I have never seen
02:49:01 anybody wash a car with the trunk open.
02:49:06 We feel like a big store would exacerbate the problem that's
02:49:10 existing at that site for years.
02:49:14 Again, we have access to package liquor on Gandy, on Gandy
02:49:22 You know the area, the grocery store and the ABC liquor.
02:49:30 They have to drive up -- it does not meet a necessity for
02:49:36 public good.
02:49:37 And I wish that the association hereby opposes this request
02:49:43 for waiver.
02:49:44 Thank you.
02:49:55 >>FRANK REDDICK: I just had a question for you.
02:49:57 I'm not sure I heard you correctly.
02:49:59 You said there was 39 calls to this establishment in three
02:50:05 years or three months?
02:50:06 >> Three years, sir.
02:50:07 >> Do you know the nature of those calls?
02:50:13 >> Well, sir, they are listed in the reporting documents,
02:50:18 report on special use.
02:50:21 I think if you have that in front of you.
02:50:24 But I'll read future don't.
02:50:25 >>FRANK REDDICK: I just wondered if you knew.
02:50:28 >> It was in the report where it says that number was
02:50:35 >>FRANK REDDICK: I'll get it.
02:50:37 >> They were police calls.
02:50:41 I don't know what they were all about.
02:50:45 They were addressed to that specific address.
02:50:52 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Just real quick.
02:50:54 On the police calls, I have had this happen before.
02:50:56 I have heard this before.
02:50:57 A lot of times.
02:50:58 And maybe we can clarify as to exactly what the calls were.
02:51:03 But when there's an auto accident, they attribute it to
02:51:09 either the southwest corner or southeast corner, the closest
02:51:12 business that is to that corner is attributed to that call,
02:51:17 whether it happens there or not.
02:51:19 So we need really clear -- I would like to know exactly, 39
02:51:27 calls and what they were.
02:51:28 >> Well, I have no background.
02:51:34 According to a report on special use 2 request, and it's
02:51:40 specifically Tampa Police Department, intelligence bureau,
02:51:43 page 45 under item Roman numeral 3, police calls for
02:51:49 There were 39 calls for service at this location 2009.
02:51:57 And furthermore, on item V, an on-site inspection same
02:52:09 concerns takes civic association.
02:52:11 This location is known to be a local hangout spot for the
02:52:14 local youth.
02:52:15 That's all I have.
02:52:23 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Officer Miller, do you know the rule that I
02:52:25 am trying to refer to?
02:52:26 >> Officer Don Miller, City of Tampa police department.
02:52:34 The specific calls for service, I don't think there was
02:52:39 really anything egregious.
02:52:41 They were alarm calls.
02:52:42 Everything was for that particular property there.
02:52:44 Were no property crash calls that you are referring to.
02:52:52 Most were alarm calls.
02:52:53 >> Alarm calls.
02:52:54 Thank you.
02:52:54 >> Kerry Nance.
02:53:03 I'm a pastor at south side Baptist church, also a chaplain
02:53:07 for Tampa PD.
02:53:08 Our church is located 3911 west Bay Avenue, literally 416
02:53:13 feet from this establishment, and according to code
02:53:16 violation, I believe that it has to be within 1,000 feet.
02:53:20 So this obviously is something serious that needs to be
02:53:26 considered in this, for this taking place.
02:53:33 I would also say that I am not sure if we are supposed to
02:53:38 receive certified mail of this situation, but our
02:53:41 establishment did not.
02:53:42 I checked with our staff, and our secretaries, and we did
02:53:46 Our congregation is about 300 on an average Sunday of
02:53:50 worshipers that come from the South Tampa area.
02:53:53 Earlier, we had about 35 to 40 that were here expressing
02:53:58 their sentiments.
02:53:59 Most of those were not able to stay.
02:54:01 But I do have 120 letters that have been signed by members
02:54:08 of our congregation stating their approval of this.
02:54:10 I would just like to remind the council that I am all in
02:54:16 favor of businesses being established.
02:54:18 But as a church and as a pastor, we are trying to help the
02:54:21 integrity of the family situation.
02:54:25 This last year, 34,638 DUI convictions for the State of
02:54:32 For Hillsborough County alone there was over 4,100.
02:54:35 That's quite a lot of DUI convictions for our state within
02:54:41 the last four years.
02:54:43 We have had a total of 4,140 deaths attributed to drunk
02:54:49 And we pick up quite a bit of beer bottles and things like
02:54:53 that already from the neighborhood.
02:54:55 Our church is located in the neighborhood.
02:54:57 This establishment is on the corner of bay and South Tampa.
02:55:02 But I would give you more of a closer view and just say we
02:55:06 are trying to help in many ways in our church.
02:55:09 We have programs to help recovering alcoholics, and some
02:55:13 call it a disease.
02:55:14 I will tell you a man in our neighborhood literally walking
02:55:17 dibs tans from our church and establishment that I tried to
02:55:20 help with this, and he lost his business because of drink,
02:55:24 he lost -- he had a lawn service business.
02:55:28 And so now he has to walk in order to obtain this substance.
02:55:32 And now this will be very convenient for him to do that.
02:55:36 >>MARY MULHERN: Are you in support of this petition?
02:55:42 >> I'm against it.
02:55:44 >>MARY MULHERN: Against the petition.
02:55:45 I must have not heard you correctly when you talked about
02:55:48 your petitioners signed --
02:55:51 >> Yes, in opposition.
02:55:53 >>MARY MULHERN: Okay.
02:55:54 I'm sorry.
02:55:54 Councilman Capin.
02:55:58 >>YVONNE CAPIN: You may not be aware of this but along mixed
02:56:01 use corridors which is where this is the separation distance
02:56:04 is 250 feet from residential use, 250 feet from other
02:56:09 alcohol you can beverage sales establishments.
02:56:11 They do not refer to churches.
02:56:13 Therefore it does not pertain.
02:56:14 >> Okay.
02:56:16 So what is the limit?
02:56:18 If it was like a school --
02:56:23 >>YVONNE CAPIN: There is none.
02:56:23 If it's not mentioned here, there is none.
02:56:26 It's not mentioned here.
02:56:26 >> Okay.
02:56:34 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Obviously you weren't aware of that.
02:56:35 >> Yes.
02:56:36 I was under the impression it had to be within 1,000 feet.
02:56:44 >>MARY MULHERN: Well, that changed recently.
02:56:46 Mr. Shelby?
02:56:50 >>REBECCA KERT: Legal department.
02:56:52 In some applauses in the city, based upon what City Council
02:56:55 had previously adopted in their comprehensive plan, and then
02:56:59 applied to the alcohol, it is 1,000 feet.
02:57:01 But this is a mixed use corridor.
02:57:03 And I believe Mrs. Capin correctly stated that it's 250 feet
02:57:09 from residential and 250 feet from other alcoholic beverage
02:57:11 establishments, because this location is on what City
02:57:15 Council designated as a mixed use corridor.
02:57:18 >>MARY MULHERN: Is that recent, comp plan changes that we
02:57:21 >> Well, recent in respect to -- it's a year or so ago.
02:57:26 >>MARY MULHERN: Yes, that's recent. In city Council time,
02:57:29 a year is recent.
02:57:29 >> So a year ago it would have over a thousand?
02:57:36 >>MARY MULHERN: A year or two, yes.
02:57:41 So you didn't have the current information.
02:57:43 >> Well, I would just hope that the City Council would use
02:57:45 wisdom and discretion, and as representing the people, you
02:57:49 know, I'm here representing a congregation of 300 more in
02:57:55 South Tampa and I hope that you will listen to our voice of
02:57:58 >>MARY MULHERN: Thank you.
02:58:00 >> I would say good morning, but good afternoon.
02:58:07 My name is Charlie Schenk, youth pastor at South Side
02:58:11 Baptist Church.
02:58:12 We have a youth group about 500 people from Robinson high
02:58:15 school, Monroe middle school, and even Plant High School.
02:58:18 So work them is a great opportunity, but where the next
02:58:26 generation will do and where they will be led, and having
02:58:28 the store approved there with alcoholic beverages, I think
02:58:31 it only drives them to do more wrong.
02:58:34 I was just working with the boy by the name of restus and
02:58:41 struggling with alcohol and marijuana.
02:58:43 And I said, would you go back to doing it again?
02:58:45 He said actually once I go off probation I'm having a big
02:58:49 party and doing it.
02:58:50 So I don't think it's going to be a good influence for our
02:58:53 We actually have teen activity there.
02:58:55 So within 400 feet, we have 60 teenagers that are once a
02:59:00 month, twice a month actually that will have an activity out
02:59:03 there on the property, and has that opportunity of being in
02:59:06 danger by drunk driving.
02:59:09 Just this past week, we actually had our mailbox ran over,
02:59:13 in our parking lot and our timbers, railroad ties.
02:59:18 I'm sure that person probably was -- probably was under the
02:59:23 influence or they would have seen those thing. But I just
02:59:26 saw some things on the Internet, mothers against drunk
02:59:29 The past five years, subsidy of drunk driving fatalities was
02:59:37 21.5 billion dollars.
02:59:40 That's the past five years.
02:59:41 And I am sit you go here this morning thinking about how can
02:59:45 we save money, how can we work on putting more money back
02:59:48 into the people's pocket or keeping them from spending their
02:59:51 And all I know is that we try to spend $21 billion the past
02:59:55 five years to bring the rate of fatalities of DUIs down.
02:59:59 So they are going to make things happen in another liquor
03:00:02 store in the South Tampa area only will increase that cost
03:00:06 that we as the people would have to pay as taxpayers and you
03:00:09 would have to pay yourself.
03:00:13 Also, she mentioned no one really hangs out there.
03:00:16 I drive by there every day.
03:00:20 There's always people hanging out there.
03:00:21 I have actually been in the store.
03:00:23 I'm not against it.
03:00:25 I have bought things from them.
03:00:26 I actually bought gas across the street.
03:00:29 I'm not against it at all.
03:00:30 But going in the store, there's actually not many things on
03:00:33 the shelves, just what is already there, liquor consumption
03:00:36 and alcoholic beverages is already there.
03:00:39 But I have two say this.
03:00:41 Me and my wife actually moved here about seven months ago.
03:00:44 We live in the north part of Tampa.
03:00:46 And I'm excited.
03:00:47 I'm a new father to be.
03:00:48 And she's right here.
03:00:54 And we are looking to move to South Tampa and to come down
03:00:57 But it makes me think twice to move to South Tampa knowing
03:01:00 that a place like that is so close to where we'll live and
03:01:04 where I will work and my wife will work and our child will
03:01:08 Thank you.
03:01:08 >>MARY MULHERN: Thank you.
03:01:12 >> Good afternoon.
03:01:14 I'm Jerry Lambert, 4113 treasure circle, which is right down
03:01:19 the street from this store that they want to sell package.
03:01:25 There's a package store on Gandy as you all know, a store on
03:01:30 I almost lost my wife to a drunk driver several years ago.
03:01:35 I have been there since 1961.
03:01:37 I have seen the neighborhood deteriorate a little bit in
03:01:40 years past, and only think this store if it's capable of
03:01:47 selling package goods will help our neighborhood to
03:01:49 deteriorate again.
03:01:50 I'm also a member of Southside Baptist church.
03:01:54 I worship there.
03:01:55 I go by the store every day.
03:01:57 I see people standing out there.
03:01:59 And one other thing I want to say then I'm done, this
03:02:03 off-site consumption, that's a general. A guy buys beer by
03:02:07 the bottle, goes to his car, opens it and has a district.
03:02:11 Thank you.
03:02:11 >>MARY MULHERN: Okay.
03:02:17 >> My name is Dave Young, and I have been a resident of
03:02:23 South Tampa for 45 years.
03:02:26 I am currently employed with Hillsborough County school
03:02:29 I have been employed for 38 years with them.
03:02:34 And I can only echo what's been stated.
03:02:38 I know there's two schools within five or six blocks of this
03:02:44 And I cannot see any good that can come out of this.
03:02:48 And I know the ordinance, what's been stated and so on.
03:02:53 But I echo what is wise, what is prudent, what is good for
03:02:57 us, in that area.
03:03:01 Thank you very much.
03:03:01 >>MARY MULHERN: Thank you.
03:03:06 >> My name is Ruben Nance.
03:03:20 I pastored a church, in this area, for almost 40 years.
03:03:25 My name is again Ruben Nance, 1817 south Valrico road.
03:03:31 And I'm privileged to stand here before you, because what I
03:03:36 hear, you all changed the ordinance.
03:03:39 And what we see today is a product of your decision making.
03:03:43 And it saddens me today to be able to stand here and hear
03:03:48 you say there's a good possibility that what the folks of
03:03:52 the community there want will not be brought to pass.
03:03:56 I remember a few months ago standing in the jailside site on
03:04:03 orient road of a young man who we had ministered to.
03:04:06 His name was guy Harris.
03:04:09 Guy Harris was a young man that was brought up on alcohol.
03:04:14 He said, I used to drink my alcohol, get in the car, and see
03:04:17 how many policemen I could jut run.
03:04:21 This young man, as a result of that, asked me, said, pastor
03:04:26 Nance, would you just one more time sung me a song, when I
03:04:35 get to prison, I won't have any song books, I won't have any
03:04:38 family visiting me.
03:04:40 And there we took and I held his hand, and I sang with him
03:04:45 "amazing grace how sweet the sound that saved a wretch like
03:04:50 me, I once was lost but now I'm found, was blind but now I
03:04:58 That young man, through his life that addition, is in the
03:05:03 state penitentiary today because of his use of alcohol.
03:05:09 And I believe this establishment will increase the folks in
03:05:15 South Tampa of being able to participate in the guzzling
03:05:20 down of alcohol and changing their hearts and lives for a
03:05:24 long, long time.
03:05:28 Wish we could go back and see him today.
03:05:30 He's up in north Florida.
03:05:31 He's been there for many, many years.
03:05:33 But I say to that, you have an opportunity to change the
03:05:37 lives of many, many other people today if you will vote
03:05:42 against this decision that's being made.
03:05:44 Thank you very much.
03:05:44 >>MARY MULHERN: Thank you.
03:05:52 Councilwoman Montelione, did you have a question?
03:05:56 I'm sorry I didn't give you the opportunity if you want to
03:05:58 ask a question of one of the speakers?
03:06:02 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Yes. Did I it was a few speakers ago.
03:06:05 And it may be less of a question and more a statement.
03:06:11 I appreciate all your views about this potentially harming
03:06:18 individual by the sale of package liquors.
03:06:23 But, again, referring back to something I said in the last
03:06:27 hearing about Trinity Cafe, we have a code of ordinances,
03:06:30 and those are rules and regulations that we have to abide
03:06:37 by, and when we have quasi-judicial hearings we have to look
03:06:40 at the body of evidence that's presented, and in accordance
03:06:44 with our rules and regulations.
03:06:46 We can't penalize a business for potential harm.
03:06:55 It's a business that is allowable under the rules, not only
03:06:59 this city but the county, the state, as a federal
03:07:02 government, that you can have a liquor store, and if you
03:07:04 meet the locational criteria according to the code in which
03:07:07 you are looking to open, then that's the evidence that we
03:07:11 have to look at and weigh.
03:07:20 We can't regulate people's behavior.
03:07:22 When we hear things on the radio or television shows, you
03:07:25 can change the channel.
03:07:27 Individuals who have alcohol problems can choose to get into
03:07:30 treatment and they can choose not to go to establishments
03:07:34 that sell alcohol.
03:07:35 We can't regulate people's behavior.
03:07:38 There's a lot of social ills we have.
03:07:41 But we have to stick to what our code of ordinances say when
03:07:44 we are looking at these type of petitions.
03:07:49 >>MARY MULHERN: Is there anyone else from the public
03:07:53 wishing to speak on this?
03:07:55 Petitioner, rebuttal?
03:07:57 Mr. Shelby?
03:07:58 >>MARTIN SHELBY: What I was going to say, council, there
03:08:05 was discussion about the fact that is not a waiver anymore,
03:08:11 the 1,000 feet.
03:08:12 I want to bring to council's attention, a remainder, that
03:08:15 this is a special use request that is coming before City
03:08:18 Council, and like all other special use requests, section
03:08:22 27-269 provides general standards for which you apply to
03:08:29 determine whether or not to grant the special use.
03:08:32 And those remain for your review.
03:08:37 I want to bring that to your attention.
03:08:38 >>MARY MULHERN: Mr. Shelby, you are saying it's not a
03:08:42 waiver, but it is one of the general standards for us to
03:08:46 >>REBECCA KERT: Legal department.
03:08:48 There are two waivers being requested.
03:08:56 Let me take a quick step back and I know City Council knows
03:08:58 this but for record purposes and so the people out here
03:09:01 understand what your role is, the state regulates the
03:09:04 The county makes a determination about whether or not
03:09:07 alcohol sales are allowed generally.
03:09:08 They if it's a dry county which it's not.
03:09:14 It's not whether alcohol use is allowed in general, but
03:09:17 whether it's an allowable use at this specific location.
03:09:20 And in this particular case alcohol is already allowed on
03:09:23 the sale on the premises.
03:09:25 The question here is whether or not the addition of liquor
03:09:29 still complies with your code requirement.
03:09:32 At this time, they legally sell beer and wine.
03:09:34 There is no change.
03:09:37 This request is merely the addition of liquor.
03:09:40 Now, they are requesting the two waivers, and pursuant to
03:09:43 your code, it is the applicant's burden to demonstrate that
03:09:49 they continue to meet the general standards which are found
03:09:52 on page 2 through 4 of your code granting those waivers.
03:09:59 And so that is really the only thing that City Council is to
03:10:04 look at, and there are other issues about whether alcohol
03:10:07 should be allowed is for the county to determine.
03:10:09 >>MARY MULHERN: You might want to wait.
03:10:11 Councilwoman Capin.
03:10:13 >>YVONNE CAPIN: That was my next question because I didn't
03:10:16 see -- so they are right now selling beer and wine.
03:10:23 That is alcohol.
03:10:24 But it's being sold in this establishment.
03:10:26 >>MARY MULHERN: I just have to say that I didn't realize
03:10:32 that until now, we are a half an hour into this hearing.
03:10:39 That needs to be made clear to us in the none presentation.
03:10:47 Land use in these cases, if they already have the special
03:10:52 use permit for selling beer and wine I.didn't know that
03:10:57 until just now.
03:10:57 So thank you, Ms. Kert.
03:11:01 Councilman Cohen.
03:11:02 >> I really find myself just having to echo what
03:11:07 Councilwoman Montelione and Capin both just said.
03:11:12 We do not have an ability to make a judgment about whether
03:11:17 or not we like this use or not.
03:11:20 That is not our role.
03:11:22 And if we try to do that, we will find ourselves being
03:11:26 overturned in court.
03:11:27 We have to make a decision based on the evidence that's
03:11:30 presented and whether or not what we are looking at here
03:11:34 fits into our already preexisting criteria and code.
03:11:40 Thank you.
03:11:41 >>MARY MULHERN: Petitioner.
03:11:44 >> I would just hope after listening to everything that I
03:11:50 have told you about -- the owner of the property want to do
03:11:56 everything right by following all the laws and the rules
03:11:59 that you would grant him his 3 PS package store.
03:12:03 Also, that I pulled from the county building all of the
03:12:09 notices from the county that has to be certified through the
03:12:12 post office, and they go one by one, and they check
03:12:15 everything off.
03:12:15 So whoever was on that list, which you had 250 feet, they
03:12:19 were notified.
03:12:21 And I did not receive one back.
03:12:24 In the mail.
03:12:25 Or one phone call.
03:12:26 >>FRANK REDDICK: I have a question four.
03:12:35 This is a package store, right?
03:12:38 >> At the present time it's a 2(APS) which is a convenes
03:12:42 He sells beer and wine off premises.
03:12:47 You go in, you get your beer or wine, you leave.
03:12:50 That's the way this is going to be.
03:12:52 It's a 3 PS which goes to the substitute regulated for the
03:12:55 beverage department.
03:12:56 He purchases a liquor license with X amount -- a lot of
03:13:01 dollars, and he goes ahead and he put it at that location.
03:13:04 >>FRANK REDDICK: So at a convenience store, sells beer and
03:13:13 wine or liquor.
03:13:14 You can sell up to 2 a.m.?
03:13:18 >> He's knot going to do that.
03:13:20 His hours, I asked him his hours. And Monday through
03:13:23 Thursday he's open 10:00 in the morning -- I'm sorry, 9:00
03:13:29 in the morning to 10:00 at night.
03:13:31 And then Friday and Saturday, he's opening up at 9:00 in the
03:13:35 morning to 11:00 at night.
03:13:36 >>FRANK REDDICK: Well, not according to --
03:13:39 >> No, I know, that was incorrect.
03:13:43 He does not want to go later hours.
03:13:45 He doesn't want -- he want to make sure there's in a
03:13:50 problems in the area.
03:13:51 He doesn't believe that after hours like that that he should
03:13:55 be selling.
03:13:56 It just creates problems and he does not want that.
03:13:58 >>FRANK REDDICK: So he will not be going from 9 a.m. to
03:14:05 2 a.m --
03:14:07 >> The surveyor did that.
03:14:11 He put it down on the paperwork.
03:14:15 >>FRANK REDDICK: Well, if we pass that --
03:14:18 >>MARY MULHERN: You can ask for that between first and
03:14:20 >> I do agree to make those changes between first and second
03:14:23 >>FRANK REDDICK: Thank you.
03:14:24 >> Move to close the public hearing.
03:14:33 >> About the notification thing --
03:14:46 >>MARY MULHERN: I think that you have had your opportunity.
03:14:49 Mr. Shelby?
03:14:51 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Council, that would require a change in
03:14:54 the way you normally proceed with your hearing.
03:14:59 Normally, the opportunity allows a person one opportunity to
03:15:04 speak and then allows the petitioner to have the last word
03:15:07 on rebuttal.
03:15:08 There is an opportunity if this should could go forward, a
03:15:11 remained they are does go to second reading and public
03:15:14 >>MARY MULHERN: Yes, I'm sorry, you will have to -- if it
03:15:19 passes, then there's a second reading, you can speak then.
03:15:27 All in favor?
03:15:28 Anyone opposed?
03:15:32 Pleasure of council?
03:15:33 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Madam Chair, I will move to approve on
03:15:43 first reading and set for second public hearing petition of
03:15:47 jet in jet out requesting SU-2 sale of alcoholic beverages
03:15:53 at 6117 South Dale Mabry Highway.
03:15:55 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Read the ordinance.
03:15:58 >>HARRY COHEN: I'll read it.
03:16:02 I move an ordinance being presented for first reading
03:16:04 consideration, an ordinance approving a special use permit
03:16:06 S-2 for alcohol you can beverage sales, small venue package
03:16:11 sales, offpremises consumption only and making lawful the
03:16:14 sale of beverages regardless of alcoholic content, beer wine
03:16:17 and liquor, at or from that certain plot, lot, or tract of
03:16:21 land located at 6117 South Dale Mabry Highway, Tampa,
03:16:25 Florida as more particularly described in section 2, all
03:16:30 ordinances or parts of ordinances in conflict are repealed
03:16:34 peeled providing an effective date and including a revision
03:16:36 mentioned earlier by Mr. Reddick of the times and hours of
03:16:40 operation between first and second reading.
03:16:47 Monday through Friday, 9 a.m. to 10 p.m. and Saturday and
03:16:50 Sunday 9 a.m. to 11 p.m., although I don't think they can
03:16:54 start at 9:00 in the morning --
03:16:59 >>MARY MULHERN: I think we need --
03:17:01 >> Monday through Thursday, 9 a.m. to 10 p.m.
03:17:03 Friday and Saturday, 9 a.m. to 11 p.m., and Sunday is 10 to
03:17:16 >>MARTIN SHELBY: 11 a.m. to --
03:17:20 >> And incorporating the provisions in the revision sheet
03:17:24 >>MARY MULHERN: Motion made by Councilman Cohen.
03:17:29 Seconded by Councilwoman Montelione.
03:17:36 I just want to say that I am going to support this on the
03:17:41 first hearing, but I do want to at least let the
03:17:48 neighborhood know that I do feel that these questions would
03:17:53 be coming in front of us if we didn't have to make our own
03:17:57 determination of whether these are compatible use within the
03:18:05 These questions don't come in front of council unless we
03:18:08 have to make a determination.
03:18:12 And because this was already disowned for beer and wine
03:18:18 sales, didn't realize that at the beginning, and in order
03:18:22 for there to be a case to deny it, I would have had to have
03:18:26 heard some additional adverse effects to the neighborhood
03:18:32 that would have happened, because of adding liquor sales.
03:18:37 So I am going to support it.
03:18:38 All in favor?
03:18:41 Anyone opposed?
03:18:43 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried with Miranda and Suarez being
03:18:52 absent and Reddick voting no.
03:18:57 Second reading of the ordinance will be held March 1st
03:18:59 at 9:30 a.m.
03:19:01 >>MARY MULHERN: We are going to move back to item number
03:19:19 Is someone from legal ready?
03:19:23 >>REBECCA KERT: Legal department.
03:19:26 I am here on item 67 which is the request of the legal
03:19:30 department to appear and inform council whether it's false
03:19:33 advertisement to strip clubs be removed from signs and
03:19:40 If you mean when you say can be removed you mean can be
03:19:43 required to be removed by the city, and assume for purposes
03:19:46 of this discussion that there is in fact false
03:19:50 The short answer is no.
03:19:51 The city itself does not regulate false advertising.
03:19:55 However, for informational purposes, the county and the
03:19:58 state prohibit unfair, deceptive trade acts or practices.
03:20:02 So if an individual was concerned that there was fraudulent
03:20:05 advertising or fraudulent -- something fraudulent with the
03:20:09 sign to entice people to come into the business, they could
03:20:12 report that to the county's protection agency which has the
03:20:17 ability to both mediate and/or refer to the state attorney's
03:20:23 office for criminal sanctions and the state attorney's
03:20:27 office is also for state regulations.
03:20:30 And I am available if there are any other questions.
03:20:32 >>FRANK REDDICK: I just want to say to you that I don't
03:20:38 know who owns that club or who is running that facility, but
03:20:45 they seem to be playing a game, and I am going to tell you
03:20:48 Since we had the last meeting, the last discussion, and show
03:20:53 the pictures that they had a strip club out there, about
03:20:56 three days later, they covered that up.
03:21:03 They took paper over it.
03:21:05 But it doesn't say strip club anymore.
03:21:08 They have just dancers wanted.
03:21:10 Now you go by there, and they have taken the paper off,
03:21:14 repainted, they have gentleman's club.
03:21:17 Now, I don't know what the difference between a strip club
03:21:21 and a gentleman's club, but somebody is playing games over
03:21:24 Because I think I know what a gentleman's club is.
03:21:33 But I don't know what they are doing, and I have had people
03:21:40 to tell me, gentlemen who have gone there, that they had a
03:21:44 wonderful time.
03:21:46 >>MARY MULHERN: Now you are giving them free advertisement.
03:21:51 [ Laughter ]
03:21:57 >> You are right.
03:21:58 I don't know what they are doing there.
03:21:59 But if they can change it to strip club and then you go by
03:22:06 there and they have it all covered up, now you go back out
03:22:09 there, and they have gentleman's club, so I don't know
03:22:12 what's going on.
03:22:13 Andovers Miller and I can go there and take a look at
03:22:20 But there's something going on there.
03:22:21 I don't know.
03:22:24 >>REBECCA KERT: I as well haven't been inside so I can't
03:22:27 speak with specify about what they are doing, but I have
03:22:30 been with the captain of the district as well as the captain
03:22:32 in charge of Krewe D and they are aware of this
03:22:35 establishment and they are monitoring it.
03:22:37 So in the event that they are doing more than saying that
03:22:41 they are a gentleman's club or a strip club, and actually do
03:22:45 something that violates our adult use regulation, TPD has
03:22:48 told me that they will let me know if there's a violation,
03:22:52 and I know they are monitoring it.
03:22:55 >>FRANK REDDICK: I just wanted to bring that to your
03:22:58 And tomorrow they might have something else up there.
03:23:00 I don't know.
03:23:01 I think somebody is playing a game.
03:23:04 I just want to say that.
03:23:05 >>MARY MULHERN: Item number 68.
03:23:14 >>KEITH BRICKLEMYER: Environmental program management.
03:23:23 I am standing here to question approval of item number 68.
03:23:27 As I mentioned earlier today, we are doing a number of
03:23:30 initiatives as relates to business transformation and happy
03:23:33 to report that this agenda item is in addition to
03:23:38 standardizing our fleet and helping them with the
03:23:40 maintenance of our fleet in terms, so the first five
03:23:48 vehicles that will be using compressed natural gas.
03:23:53 It will significantly reduce the costs associated with fuel
03:23:57 for our refuse collection fleet, and also deal with
03:24:01 improving greenhouse gas emission as well.
03:24:05 So support approval of this agenda item.
03:24:06 >> Thank you, Madam Chair.
03:24:14 Ms. Brickhouse, there are five trucks in total for
03:24:20 >> We did have a lengthy discussion this morning and maybe
03:24:26 it's poor timing that the two issues should come up on the
03:24:29 same agenda that we are authorizing 1.5 million in
03:24:33 purchases, but these will be operating on natural gas?
03:24:39 >>KEITH BRICKLEMYER: Compressed natural gas.
03:24:44 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Will that represent a savings for us so
03:24:46 the 1.5 million must be mitigated by the amount of money we
03:24:50 are saving in fuel?
03:24:52 >>KEITH BRICKLEMYER: Yes.
03:24:54 In fact, Tampa International Airport is going to be opening
03:24:56 the first gas fueling station in the City of Tampa probably
03:25:01 in the next month or so.
03:25:02 You will probably hear more on that.
03:25:04 And with that, that gives us an opportunity to now reap the
03:25:09 benefit of reducing fuel costs, and also the admissions
03:25:14 And yes, the answer is it will be significant in terms of
03:25:20 fuel cost and operation.
03:25:22 >>LISA MONTELIONE: You don't know what cost savings we will
03:25:23 be able to realize?
03:25:25 >>KEITH BRICKLEMYER: The last time that I looked at the
03:25:27 compressed natural gas, it was probably about a $3
03:25:32 difference in the cost per gallon.
03:25:34 For fuel.
03:25:35 And you can get that information back to you to find out
03:25:38 exactly what the difference is now.
03:25:41 Between diesel and compressed natural gas.
03:25:44 >>LISA MONTELIONE: That's good news.
03:25:46 One last question, we want to use other people's money when
03:25:53 we can to supplement our budget.
03:25:54 But being compressed natural gas is seen as a clean fuel,
03:26:00 did we receive any grant funds either from local or federal
03:26:04 agencies to offset the cost of these trucks?
03:26:08 Because I think the EPA offers some grants for clean fuel
03:26:16 >>TONJA BRICKHOUSE: We explored that but there were none
03:26:18 available at this time.
03:26:19 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I want to make sure we are out there
03:26:22 looking for grant money at every turn.
03:26:24 Thank you.
03:26:25 I will move approval of item number 68.
03:26:27 >>MARY MULHERN: All in favor?
03:26:32 Thank you, Ms. Brickhouse.
03:26:39 Item 71.
03:26:47 >> Joel Sousa, land development.
03:27:02 You should have quite a package in front of you.
03:27:05 You have a revised staff report.
03:27:07 This process, worked closely with the applicant the last two
03:27:15 weeks and things have been changing quite a bit.
03:27:16 I want to explain that to you before I give my report.
03:27:19 Publication V-12-78, application, property address 310 south
03:27:26 Armenia Avenue, CI commercial intensive.
03:27:29 The proposed special use is alcoholic beverage sales, beer
03:27:32 wine and liquor associated with a restaurant, on premises
03:27:35 consumption only.
03:27:37 The applicant is requesting special use approval to allow
03:27:39 the sale and consumption of alcoholic beverages, beer, wine
03:27:42 and liquor, consumption off premises with a restaurant.
03:27:47 The site is occupied by one-story commercial strip center.
03:27:52 At one point in time, probably since 1959 was at one time a
03:27:57 warehouse type use like in the manufacturing.
03:28:01 The past few years it has been changing and is now
03:28:03 considered a strip center.
03:28:06 There's already an existing restaurant on one side.
03:28:08 This is a new restaurant.
03:28:10 One on the other side of the subject building.
03:28:12 The proposed alcohol sales of this particular proposal
03:28:15 encompasses 2,971 square feet of which 465 square feet is
03:28:21 outside seating area.
03:28:23 The site utilizes surface parking for this site which totals
03:28:26 currently 29 spaces.
03:28:29 The applicant is requesting a parking waiver from 45 to 28.
03:28:32 The reason being it's going to 28 now is because they are
03:28:35 required to landscape aisle for parking and landscape
03:28:46 Let me show you pictures of the site.
03:28:52 This is the subject location right here.
03:28:53 It's a through lot that goes through moody and Armenia.
03:28:57 This is Swann Avenue.
03:28:59 You have Memorial Hospital over here to the west, and Hyde
03:29:04 Park also to your east and south.
03:29:13 This is going north on Armenia. This is the subject
03:29:19 building in question. It appears to abut up to Armenia
03:29:26 This is a closer look at the building.
03:29:34 This is a look on the moody side here, south on moody.
03:29:40 Looking south on moody.
03:29:43 There's a tight access from moody side, angled parking along
03:29:49 the north side of the property.
03:29:55 They are asking for numerous waivers.
03:30:04 Section 27-272, reduced the required minimum distance
03:30:08 separation from 250 feet to 80 feet, from other
03:30:12 establishments selling alcoholic beverages.
03:30:14 Section 27-272 reduced the required minimum distance
03:30:17 separation from 250 to 32 feet for residential uses.
03:30:24 Section 27-272, reduced the required number of parking
03:30:28 spaces from 45 to 28 spaces.
03:30:32 Section 27-246, to increase the percent of a loud compact
03:30:37 parking from 65 to 79%.
03:30:42 Section 46 allowed for maneuvering of solid waste vehicle in
03:30:50 the right-of-way during the collection process.
03:30:54 246, to allow reduction in the aisle width of 11 feet to 10
03:30:58 Section 27-246 to allow access to South Moody Avenue, a
03:31:04 local street.
03:31:06 Staff funds the current project inconsistent with current
03:31:10 codes basically due to parking and maneuvering process.
03:31:16 The issue is before you today.
03:31:17 More importantly, section 27-241 for consideration of
03:31:21 off-site parking as required parking, must submit any
03:31:25 off-site parking agreement.
03:31:28 The alternative design, application process.
03:31:32 As to date we have received such an agreement but has not
03:31:35 yet been approved by staff and/or the legal department.
03:31:39 Section 27-237 and 242 in all district at the time of any
03:31:45 increased intensity or any on the use or change of uses,
03:31:49 offstreet parking spaces shall be provided in accordance
03:31:52 with current code.
03:31:53 Based on the current occupant load, indicated on a site
03:31:56 plan, 93.
03:31:58 23 parking spaces are required.
03:32:01 The site maintains 29 spans currently, which do not comply
03:32:06 with current standards.
03:32:08 In addition, there's an existing restaurant and beauty salon
03:32:11 Land development has not yet received a detailed floor plan
03:32:15 in order to confirm the stated occupant load.
03:32:19 Finally, section 227-269, potentially adverse effects
03:32:26 In addition to the consideration detailed elements indicated
03:32:29 above, as appropriate in the particular class or special use
03:32:32 permit, and the circumstances of the particular case,
03:32:37 consideration shall be given to potentially adverse effects
03:32:42 on adjoining and nearby property, the area, the neighborhood
03:32:45 or the city, of the use of the past proposed where it
03:32:50 location construction design, character of scale or manner
03:32:53 of operation.
03:32:55 Potential adverse are found consideration be given to
03:33:00 remedial measures, appropriate, and the particular
03:33:03 circumstances including buffering, landscaping, control,
03:33:08 hours of operation, proposed design of cop instruction of
03:33:12 buildings, relocation of proposed open space, alteration of
03:33:15 use of such space, such other measures as are required to
03:33:21 ensure effects will be harmonious with other developments in
03:33:24 the area.
03:33:25 >> Don Miller, City of Tampa police.
03:33:39 City of Tampa police have no objection to this special use
03:33:44 >>MARY MULHERN: Petitioner?
03:33:46 >> My name is Todd Pressman, 54 East Lake Road in Palm
03:33:55 Harbor, Florida.
03:33:57 I'm here today with Mr. Jeff Gland and Mr. John Crusoe, and
03:34:04 the engineer put together a very nice plan.
03:34:07 What I would like to say to you is of course that this is a
03:34:11 request for restaurant sales, and a number of the issues
03:34:15 that Joel presented in his report to you, we have already
03:34:20 had the test of time here.
03:34:22 This site has already received variances in the past to
03:34:25 reduce parking to 25 spaces, to reduce the separation to 20
03:34:30 feet to residential, and also to reduce the distance between
03:34:36 That's one of the other units at the site.
03:34:37 So what we can tell you is by the test of time, the parking
03:34:43 elements have worked.
03:34:44 We can tell you that the separation outlets have worked.
03:34:46 Now, what proposed here is -- if we can go to the overhead,
03:34:56 What's proposed by Jeff and John who had 20 years in the
03:35:02 business, a nice neighborhood upscale place, this is just a
03:35:06 conceptual of the menu that they are planning. Of all the
03:35:10 critical aspects is the type of uses that are at the center
03:35:14 now, and this is the site plan that's in your packet.
03:35:18 So what you will see here is that the building is this
03:35:23 structure here, and vehicles enter the site here, come back
03:35:27 into this area.
03:35:29 So there are a number of unit here which proposed here is
03:35:32 indoor restaurant.
03:35:33 But in terms of the uses that are existing, what you have is
03:35:38 a big part of the building is existing warehouse.
03:35:41 A part of just existing utility area.
03:35:44 And part of it is existing beauty salon.
03:35:47 So parking needs, which is a very strong mixed outlet,
03:35:51 particularly in evenings, actually those uses are not
03:35:56 We find very come very close to just a few parking spaces
03:36:00 off to what's required.
03:36:01 And of course Joel and the staff do a great job but we felt
03:36:05 it was something very important for your consideration.
03:36:07 In regard to the specific area, this is clearly a use that
03:36:13 will depend upon a number of residential developments that
03:36:18 are located close by.
03:36:20 They expect to have a lot of walk-through traffic rather
03:36:23 than car traffic.
03:36:24 It's designed to be -- it will operate in the local
03:36:29 restaurant, a little area for folks and there were a large
03:36:35 number of notices sent out.
03:36:36 And since we appear to be about less folks here today, I
03:36:39 don't think there's anybody really here in opposition.
03:36:43 So this is a request that comes before you as a nice little
03:36:46 neighborhood restaurant.
03:36:47 There have been prior variances approved that help support
03:36:50 this quite well.
03:36:51 In that sense we believe it had the test of time.
03:36:56 They are two young men who are experienced operators to run
03:36:58 nice restaurant in the area, and with regard to the
03:37:01 concerns, we believe there are a number of points that
03:37:04 support that position or support the position staff has
03:37:09 present towed.
03:37:09 We will be happy to answer any questions that you may have.
03:37:11 >>MARY MULHERN: Is there anyone from the public wishing to
03:37:16 speak on this?
03:37:21 Any questions?
03:37:22 Councilwoman Capin?
03:37:24 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Your hours of operation are six days a week
03:37:26 from 10 a.m. to 2 a.m., and on Sunday 11 a.m. to 2 a.m.?
03:37:34 >> That is correct, Councilwoman.
03:37:42 >>YVONNE CAPIN: On the outdoor seating area, I don't see the
03:37:52 outdoor indication on here.
03:37:54 >> Would you like me to point it out to you, Councilwoman?
03:38:00 So the building being this part here, it's very small, 460
03:38:05 square feet, very small area there.
03:38:14 >>YVONNE CAPIN: This is commercial intensive.
03:38:16 >> That's correct, it is joined CI commercial intensive.
03:38:19 Thank you, Councilwoman.
03:38:21 It is very high and is designed for uses that are higher
03:38:27 than typical commercial use.
03:38:28 >>MARY MULHERN: Other questions?
03:38:43 A motion to close?
03:38:45 >> Move to close.
03:38:46 >> Second.
03:38:47 >>MARY MULHERN: All in favor?
03:38:49 Pleasure of council?
03:39:04 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Let me be sure to do it right this time.
03:39:09 Move an ordinance, asset for second here, public education,
03:39:14 entertainment LLC John Crusoe, MGRM, requesting an SU-2 sale
03:39:22 of alcoholic beverages, beer wine liquor consumption on
03:39:25 premises only associated with a restaurant, 610 south
03:39:29 Armenia Avenue.
03:39:30 I'm sorry.
03:39:35 This is rolled off into the second page.
03:39:37 Ordinance presented for first reading consideration.
03:39:40 Ordinance approving special use permit S-2 for alcoholic
03:39:43 beverage sales, restaurant on premises only and making
03:39:45 lawful the sale of beverages regardless of alcoholic
03:39:48 content, beer, wine and liquor on that certain lot, plot or
03:39:52 tract of land located at 610 south Armenia Avenue Tampa,
03:39:56 Florida as more particularly described in section 2 that all
03:39:59 ordinances or parts of ordinances in conflict are repealed,
03:40:02 providing an effective date.
03:40:02 >>HARRY COHEN: Second.
03:40:08 >>LISA MONTELIONE: And any revision dated February
03:40:14 16th, 2012.
03:40:16 >>MARY MULHERN: Motion seconded by Councilwoman Capin.
03:40:19 All in favor?
03:40:20 Anyone opposed?
03:40:21 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried with Miranda and Suarez being
03:40:25 absent at vote.
03:40:27 Second reading of the ordinance will be held March 1st
03:40:29 at 9:30 a.m.
03:40:31 >>FRANK REDDICK: That's it.
03:40:49 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I would propose -- and I am going to
03:40:57 make this as a motion -- that we have a report come under
03:41:06 staff report in one year, whatever the closest council
03:41:12 meeting is to that date, a report on the fee increase that
03:41:19 we passed this morning, and for solid waste, and that we do
03:41:25 that annually during the five-year period, that the rate
03:41:34 increases will be in effect, so that would provide us the
03:41:37 opportunity to review the rates that are being charged, and
03:41:43 whether or not an just to those rates would be in order as
03:41:48 time goes by, and we experience efficiencies in the solid
03:41:53 waste division.
03:41:56 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Second.
03:41:56 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Oh, wait, I do want to pass these out.
03:42:07 Sorry about that.
03:42:08 On February 29th, the university square community at
03:42:15 Taras park community plan will begin the process.
03:42:23 This is a process that will last about a year.
03:42:26 And it will be Wednesday, February 29th from 5:30 to
03:42:31 7:30 at Busch Gardens.
03:42:35 It is the first time the Planning Commission is undertaking
03:42:38 a community plan within the Tampa city limit.
03:42:40 I'm very excited.
03:42:41 The planning area is from the Temple Terrace city line, 275,
03:42:48 between Busch Boulevard and Fowler Avenue.
03:42:51 So it encompasses almost all of north Tampa district that I
03:42:58 So it's very exciting that a vision plan for the area will
03:43:02 be beginning, and it will be a good night, and we have 50
03:43:09 open house participants, will receive a free ticket to the
03:43:12 Renaissance festival at MOSI as a little bit of incentive to
03:43:17 And I will pass these out.
03:43:19 There are more available.
03:43:19 You can share them with any of your constituents who are on
03:43:24 a business between those boundaries or live.
03:43:31 >>MARY MULHERN: Thank you.
03:43:33 >>HARRY COHEN: I have three items of new business.
03:43:43 First I would like to make a motion to send alert of welcome
03:43:46 to the Shen Yun Performing Arts troop who is returning to
03:43:50 Tampa for three shows at the Straz center during its 2012
03:43:54 world tour.
03:43:55 This group celebrates the excellence and grandeur of
03:43:59 classical Chinese dance and music.
03:44:01 >> Second.
03:44:03 >>MARY MULHERN: All in favor?
03:44:06 >>HARRY COHEN: I'll just welcome them.
03:44:16 The second item is I would like to acknowledge the fact that
03:44:18 Mayor Buckhorn has issued a proclamation declaring that
03:44:24 February 16th, 2012, will be medical transportation
03:44:29 services day in the City of Tampa, and urge all citizens to
03:44:32 join us in congratulating the crisis center of Tampa Bay for
03:44:36 the dedication and service that they provide to our
03:44:42 And third, just on a note of personal observation, I noted
03:44:50 with the same sadness that I'm sure everyone else felt the
03:44:53 passing of Whitney Houston this past week.
03:44:56 And I was out of town when I heard the news, and like many,
03:45:01 I turned on CNN or MSNBC or one of the 24 hour news
03:45:07 stations, and in the coverage I saw her rendition of the
03:45:14 Star Spangled Banner at Tampa stadium at Super Bowl 25 in
03:45:19 1991, and I have to tell you, I think it may have been one
03:45:23 of the great renditions of that song that I have ever heard.
03:45:26 And it reminded me that that event happened hear in Tampa.
03:45:30 And sometimes when you witness something like that, you
03:45:35 don't even notice the significance of it until many years
03:45:39 But it was with a great sense of pride that I watched the
03:45:43 people of Tampa react to her singing that song, and I hope
03:45:49 if the media covers her funeral in the coming days they will
03:45:52 go back and replay that singing of the national anthem
03:45:54 because it truly may be the most beautiful rendition of the
03:45:57 song they've ever heard.
03:45:59 Thank you.
03:45:59 >>MARY MULHERN: It gives me the chills just thinking about
03:46:09 Councilman Reddick.
03:46:10 >>FRANK REDDICK: I have two items.
03:46:12 And one is, ask the finance department to report to us on
03:46:19 June 7th at our regular council meeting, on a staff
03:46:25 report, and update on proceeds generated from the red light
03:46:34 cameras, and also any disbursements that have been made from
03:46:39 the proceeds.
03:46:40 >> Second.
03:46:41 >>FRANK REDDICK: I would like a report on June 7th,
03:46:45 10 a.m. staff report.
03:46:47 >>MARY MULHERN: If you wouldn't mind, Councilman Reddick, I
03:46:51 would like to ask also from them for a report on any of
03:46:55 the -- well, actually a map whereof all the red light
03:46:59 cameras that were put in are and a report if any of the
03:47:03 timing of those lights was changed.
03:47:05 >>FRANK REDDICK:
03:47:13 All in favor?
03:47:14 >>FRANK REDDICK: Thank you.
03:47:14 And the second part is that we lost a sports icon in this
03:47:20 community this past Monday, and I would just like for this
03:47:25 council to extend a resolution to the Freddy Solomon family
03:47:31 on his passing.
03:47:33 He was one of my former neighbors, and it's real sadness to
03:47:39 see him go, and he was well liked and well respected in his
03:47:44 If we can have a resolution done from the council.
03:47:49 >>MARY MULHERN: All in favor?
03:47:57 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Yes, Freddy Solomon, university of Tampa
03:48:01 football team.
03:48:03 And a lot of people don't realize that football --
03:48:09 university of Tampa had a football team.
03:48:12 I was there when they had a football team.
03:48:21 So, yes, I have to agree, we have lost a giant in our
03:48:25 So sad.
03:48:28 I just have one item of new business, and I would like to
03:48:31 make a motion to present a commendation on March 1st,
03:48:35 2012, to the focus on female education foundation.
03:48:42 This foundation will be holding its seventh annual woman's
03:48:47 symposium on Saturday, March 31st at Tampa Convention
03:48:52 It is free and open to the public.
03:48:55 This is the Web site so that you can go to it.
03:48:59 And register to attend.
03:49:00 Again it is free. It is www.focusonfemales.com.
03:49:06 Thank you.
03:49:06 >>MARY MULHERN: Anything else?
03:49:13 Oh, all in favor? Aye.
03:49:20 >>YVONNE CAPIN: There is one more thing.
03:49:21 I'm sorry.
03:49:22 Yes, I would also ask that the foundation on woman's health
03:49:27 care make a presentation also on March 1st, ten-minute
03:49:32 This is woman's history month.
03:49:36 And I think it would be very appropriate to have this
03:49:39 presentation, which is focus on females health care.
03:49:45 Thank you.
03:49:45 >>MARY MULHERN: All in favor? Aye.
03:49:51 Next? We are adjourned.
03:49:54 >> Move to receive and file.
03:50:02 >>MARY MULHERN: All in favor? Aye.
03:50:05 Now we are adjourned.
03:50:08 >> (Meeting adjourned)
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