TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
Thursday, March 22, 2012
9:00 A.M. Workshop Session
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09:06:54 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: City Council is called to order.
09:06:57 The chair yields to Councilman Suarez.
09:07:00 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I would like to introduce Jane Hillman
09:07:06 McDonnough, senior pastor of Faith Life Church which she
09:07:09 founded in August 1998.
09:07:10 Pastor Jane began her ministerial career in 1980 and has been
09:07:14 involved in full time ministry since 1989.
09:07:17 She holds a BA in elementary education from Southeast
09:07:22 University in Lakeland, Florida, received her credentials and
09:07:23 is ordained under the auspices of the Association of Faith
09:07:27 Churches Ministry.
09:07:28 Pastor Jane graduated from Rhema Bible training center and
09:07:34 ministerial association international in Tulsa, Oklahoma.
09:07:38 She's the regional director of ACFM over the State of Florida.
09:07:42 She and her husband Jeff and her sons Steven and Ethan reside
09:07:48 in the Tampa area.
09:07:48 They also have family living in Minnesota.
09:07:51 Pastor, can you come and give us the invocation?
09:07:54 Please rise and stay standing for the pledge of allegiance.
09:07:57 >>> Pastor Jane Hillman McDonnough: Lord, we just come to you
09:07:59 today, and we thank you for the privilege that we have in our
09:08:01 nation of looking to you for wisdom, and we do that just today
09:08:05 with this council meeting.
09:08:06 Father God, we acknowledge that you are the source, and you
09:08:09 told us to pray for those who lead us so we do that today for
09:08:14 the council members.
09:08:15 Lord, we thank you that everything that's present today, all
09:08:17 the workshop, all the honors that go on today, Lord, let us do
09:08:21 it in a way with your wisdom for the solutions are brought
09:08:28 We thank you that the Tampa Bay area prospers today because of
09:08:31 this meeting.
09:08:32 We thank you for your continued prosperity for the City of
09:08:34 Tampa and for the people, and thank you for leaders who are
09:08:37 leading us, for you told us to honor them, and we honor the
09:08:41 council members today, we honor their families, bless them.
09:08:44 Lord, we thank you that you continue to prosper our city.
09:08:48 We thank you for your wisdom, for your prosperity.
09:08:51 We thank you in Jesus' name.
09:08:54 [ Pledge of Allegiance ]
09:09:08 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Roll call.
09:09:14 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Here.
09:09:17 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Present.
09:09:18 >>FRANK REDDICK: Here.
09:09:21 >>HARRY COHEN: Here.
09:09:24 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Here.
09:09:29 Okay, the first item on the agenda is a presentation,
09:09:34 commendation police Officer of the Month, Councilman Reddick.
09:09:43 Chief Castor.
09:09:44 >> Thank you, and good morning, council, those who sit in the
09:09:48 It's my pleasure to present to you for Officer of the Month
09:09:52 for the month of March Corporal William McKendree.
09:09:57 And I will turn it over to the chief.
09:09:58 >> Chief Castor: Thank you again for the opportunity to bring
09:10:04 one of Tampa's best and brightest before you, and certainly
09:10:07 Robbie McKendree is a great example of all that is good about
09:10:11 the Tampa Police Department.
09:10:14 We had an award ceremony last week, and I think that Robbie
09:10:19 has been at every single one of those ceremonies since I have
09:10:23 been chief, giving some sort of recognition or award.
09:10:27 So it's my honor to recognize him as Officer of the Month.
09:10:31 Just to keep it brief so we are not here through dinner, I
09:10:34 will just highlight one incident that he was involved in.
09:10:37 On December 15th of last year there was an elderly female
09:10:41 that was parking her car in her apartment complex when she was
09:10:44 approached by two men who struck her in the head with a pistol
09:10:47 and stole her purse and her vehicle.
09:10:51 Within minutes of that, Corporal McKendree, who is has one
09:10:59 of our ROC squads, he saw this Toyota Corolla that had been
09:11:03 He also noticed that there was a white Yukon behind it and
09:11:08 thought that these two were involved.
09:11:10 So he gave this information to communications and surrounding
09:11:14 units, and they learned in quick order that the white Yukon
09:11:20 had been stolen in a carjacking in Largo some short period
09:11:24 before this.
09:11:26 So he coordinated all of the one, two and three units, air
09:11:31 service, to come in and do a block-in of this vehicle.
09:11:35 And those are very difficult to do.
09:11:37 It looks simple on paper, but to get three vehicles to block
09:11:40 another moving vehicle in with no harm, no foul, isn't very
09:11:45 They were able to block the car in, and Robbie McKendree
09:11:51 arrested two suspects, and also took the pistol and the
09:11:55 woman's purse, recovered all of that.
09:11:58 A short pursuit ensued with the GMC Yukon, and this car
09:12:03 finally was stopped and the driver of that car was captured as
09:12:07 So he was able to, within probably an hour of this offense
09:12:12 occurring, take the suspects into custody, and also get a gun
09:12:16 and the woman's purse back for her.
09:12:19 And who knows what these guys had done.
09:12:21 They had already done a carjacking, armed robbery. Who knows
09:12:24 what they were on their way to do.
09:12:27 He's an outstanding leader in the department.
09:12:31 Everybody looks up to him.
09:12:32 As I said, he's a supervisor, and a rapid offender control
09:12:36 unit, does a great job there, and he's also a member of our
09:12:40 tactical response team, our swat team.
09:12:43 He is a shining example of the Tampa Police Department, and if
09:12:46 I were council, I would keep my eye on him because he's
09:12:51 definitely going to move through the ranks of this department.
09:12:53 It's my honor to recognize Robbie McKendree as Officer of
09:12:58 the Month for March 2012.
09:13:02 [ Applause ]
09:13:03 >> On behalf of the City Council, we would like to present
09:13:09 this commendation to you as being selected as the Officer of
09:13:13 the Month for the month of March.
09:13:16 Congratulations to you.
09:13:17 >> Chip Deblonk, Tampa PBA.
09:13:32 We have a $100 gift certificate.
09:13:34 >> Donna McBride with Straz center.
09:13:39 Thank you so much for your service and all you are doing for
09:13:40 the city.
09:13:41 We would like to present you with two tickets to taste of
09:13:44 Tampa Bay come up.
09:13:46 Thank you.
09:13:47 >> Steve Stickley representing Stepps towing service and Jim,
09:13:53 Judy, Todd step.
09:13:55 On behalf of them we would like to present this small token of
09:13:58 our appreciation for a job very well done.
09:14:00 We really appreciate what you do out there.
09:14:02 And we also have a gift certificate to Lee Roy Selmons.
09:14:08 Keep up the good work.
09:14:09 Thank you.
09:14:09 >> Joe Dirkin, Bright House networks.
09:14:16 On behalf of all of the Bright House networks,
09:14:20 We give you one month free of high speed service to Bright
09:14:28 >> I'm Frank DeSoto representing Bill Currie Ford and the
09:14:35 curry family.
09:14:36 We are here this morning to congratulate you on a really good
09:14:39 job and present with you this watch.
09:14:42 >> These hot pink roses are really not for you, they are for
09:14:52 your significant other.
09:15:05 >>STEVE MICHELINI: I'm here on behalf of a couple of people,
09:15:07 and we promise not to take a picture of you with the flowers.
09:15:11 [ Laughter ]
09:15:14 On behalf of prestige photos, we are going to provide you with
09:15:17 a gift certificate for you and your family to have your
09:15:19 photographs taken, and it will be a nice portrait for you and
09:15:24 your family.
09:15:25 On behalf of Bern's steakhouse, a gift certificate to enjoy
09:15:29 yourself at Bern's.
09:15:31 And I just want to say that when you believe in the best, the
09:15:33 best comes forward.
09:15:35 And we are happy to be here to congratulate you.
09:15:36 >> Thank you.
09:15:44 [ Applause ]
09:15:57 >> I want to say thank you, one to my supervisors and staff
09:16:01 for nominating me to be here today for you.
09:16:05 I want to thank you.
09:16:07 I want to thank my wife. And I have two young children that
09:16:12 support me so much in my career.
09:16:15 I also want to thank corporal Brian bridgeman who was the
09:16:20 first officer there to assist me on the day that was mentioned
09:16:25 and help me box in this vehicle.
09:16:27 I couldn't do that by myself, so he was there quick and
09:16:30 responded very quickly and helped me out with that.
09:16:39 I want to say that I work with a lot of officers at Tampa
09:16:43 Police Department, and I'm truly honored to be selected from
09:16:46 that group to be here before you today.
09:16:49 Thank you very much.
09:16:54 [ Applause ]
09:16:59 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: At this time, before we go to item number
09:17:24 2, the chair yield to Mr. Frank Reddick.
09:17:27 >>FRANK REDDICK: Thank you, Mr. Chair.
09:17:30 You see a group of people sitting in the audience with a lot
09:17:33 of red on, and you notice this is not Valentine's day.
09:17:39 So we are honored to recognize the ladies of dealt Sigma Theta
09:17:45 sorority who are here City Council, and on behalf of Tampa
09:17:55 City Council, we would like to welcome you here, hope you have
09:17:58 a pleasant experience.
09:18:02 I understand you are going to meet with the mayor, and we just
09:18:10 want to thank you for come out this morning.
09:18:14 And does someone want to speak on your behalf?
09:18:17 You can come to the podium and do so.
09:18:22 >> Good morning.
09:18:24 Thank you.
09:18:25 My name is Ashley Jones, and with me are my sorority sisters
09:18:30 representing Tampa chapters here in Tampa with Tampa
09:18:35 metropolitan chapter, and -- Tampa metropolitan chapters.
09:18:44 Delta Sigma theta is a sorority, international organization
09:18:47 with over 200,000 members.
09:18:48 Our organization has been at the forefront of social issues
09:18:52 since 1913.
09:18:54 We declared today at City Hall and we are here to witness
09:19:00 local government in action, to collectively participate in
09:19:03 advancing our legislative agenda that impacts us in the
09:19:07 communities that we serve.
09:19:08 Again we thank you for allowing us to be your guests here, and
09:19:11 we look forward to serving along with you and making Tampa
09:19:16 [ Applause ]
09:19:18 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
09:19:24 Item number 2, Yolie Capin.
09:19:45 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Item number 2 is Hispanic achiever grant
09:19:51 I am going to introduce three people to you.
09:19:53 Mr. Dennis Freytes.
09:20:00 Lisa Pietri.
09:20:05 And -- (off microphone)
09:20:13 Chairman. Hispanic achiever grant council, and Dennis is
09:20:21 administrator of the Hispanic achievers license plate and
09:20:26 that's what they are going to talk about.
09:20:28 Santiago Carrada, if you will, will be presenting the
09:20:32 commendation from City Council as I asked and he graciously
09:20:38 agreed to do.
09:20:38 >> Good morning.
09:20:43 It's always a pleasure for me to appear before you.
09:20:45 Thank you, Councilwoman Capin, for asking me to do this very,
09:20:49 very special presentation this morning.
09:20:51 It's truly an honor for me to present the City Council
09:20:54 commendation recognizing American Hispanic achievers for
09:20:59 introducing the first and historic American Hispanic achievers
09:21:03 license plate in the State of Florida.
09:21:05 This license plate is a means for Florida to recognize the
09:21:08 great achievements and accomplishments of American Hispanics
09:21:12 while providing funding to not for profits to assist their
09:21:17 The more plates we sell, the more contributions will go to
09:21:21 communities throughout our state.
09:21:22 Hispanic achievers Florida license plate was introduced and
09:21:26 passed in both Florida house and Senate and signed into law by
09:21:29 our governor.
09:21:30 Tampa City Council commends American Hispanic achievers for
09:21:33 its foresight in detailing and honoring the contributions of
09:21:36 Hispanic communities, the contribution of the Hispanic
09:21:41 community to the history and social economic emergence of our
09:21:44 state of Hispanics.
09:21:46 Again on behalf of our City Council, thank you so much for
09:21:48 allowing me the pleasure this morning.
09:21:50 Thank you for recognizing the achievements of Hispanics in our
09:21:54 state and throughout our country.
09:21:55 Thank you so very, very much.
09:22:00 [ Applause ]
09:22:10 >>> My name is Lisa Pietri for the U.S. Hispanic achievers.
09:22:17 This is a great honor on behalf of a nonprofit receiving this
09:22:26 We appreciate so much the honor of the council of the City of
09:22:28 Tampa, also of Councilwoman Capin, and receiving her support,
09:22:38 and from the City of Tampa.
09:22:41 I would also like to recognize the hard work of Dennis with
09:22:47 our Executive Committee planning council chair and also many
09:22:53 entities, and thank you so much.
09:22:59 And we are willing to share some information about our
09:23:02 nonprofit with all of you.
09:23:03 >> (Speaking Spanish)
09:23:18 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I was going to suggest that considering what
09:23:27 the license says, we have one of the Hispanic achievers in the
09:23:30 back, Mr. Martinez, and of course Mr. Miranda.
09:23:34 And we are not sure if it comes with age or comes with
09:23:37 accomplishments, but you have got both on your side.
09:23:40 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: It comes with baldness.
09:23:46 >>YVONNE CAPIN: They are historic Hispanic achievers.
09:23:49 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Ms. Capin, I am going to say this.
09:23:56 This moment of life, lie down and I see E.J., five minute, and
09:24:02 I am going to take five hours, and I was a little startled.
09:24:07 So I am going to hold to you five minutes and make you
09:24:09 responsible for whatever you are going to say.
09:24:12 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Thank you.
09:24:18 Would you like to start the presentation?
09:24:20 Because following is a presentation from the Hispanic
09:24:36 >>> We have a brief presentation.
09:24:44 I will promise only a three-minute presentation because we
09:24:47 think it is very important for people what is behind the
09:24:56 historic license plate is really being supported.
09:25:01 Nationally, statewide and in our beloved Florida.
09:25:06 So I would like to begin the presentation.
09:25:10 It's already there.
09:25:10 On the Web site, national Hispanic corporate achievers.
09:25:14 We are known as Hispanic achievers, and we are a 29-year-old
09:25:18 nonprofit, community based, to provide opportunities for
09:25:26 progress for the many volunteers that participate with us in
09:25:34 accomplishing our mission.
09:25:35 It will be very difficult to reach our goals without them.
09:25:41 We would like to thank council and the committees statewide
09:25:43 and nationwide, and by accomplishing our mission we have
09:25:48 different ways to do so.
09:25:49 For example, in order to report to the community about the
09:25:54 issues that are existing in our community, we have an English
09:25:58 language TV show called Hispanics which is aired weekly on
09:26:05 BrightHouse Network.
09:26:06 Also promoting the hiring, retention and promoting Hispanics
09:26:10 at the professional corporate level and other levels.
09:26:12 We have our diversity that we do several times during the
09:26:17 We also have a program which enhances the education and
09:26:21 awareness of individuals with disabilities, and the first
09:26:27 Hispanic automobile license plate which was briefly already
09:26:31 introduced, and Dennis will talk a little more about the
09:26:36 license plate.
09:26:40 Another program that we have is crucial nationwide on April
09:26:51 7th in Orlando, we are providing an educational program
09:26:55 called immigration summit, and different panels with law
09:27:02 enforcement, education, organizations and other experts, and
09:27:06 which we will be talking about the different aspects.
09:27:09 And we provide student support programs like cars for student
09:27:18 programs in which we ask deal towers give donations, and
09:27:21 leading students to give out and award these cars by elected
09:27:28 We also have the scholarships and different foundations that
09:27:34 we have in different educational systems.
09:27:36 We also support Hispanic small businesses by providing
09:27:42 Hispanic achievers, our Web site and other chapters that we
09:27:46 have, we continue with our educational events, and ways to
09:27:52 recognize Hispanic talents in corporate America.
09:27:56 This and many other programs that we do will not be possible
09:28:00 without the support of many organizations, private, public,
09:28:03 and people appointed as ambassadors helping us accomplish our
09:28:07 goals, and the challenge that we have now about the Hispanic
09:28:10 license plate.
09:28:16 And this last slide that I am presenting is showing the
09:28:20 founders, Mr. Danny Ramos, the chairman and founder of
09:28:24 national Hispanic achievers, and a very good friend and
09:28:30 sponsor of our nonprofit, and then you will see pictures with
09:28:33 elected officials, the Hispanic license plate and continue
09:28:39 providing their support, and was mentioned that we have other
09:28:43 elected official as round Florida.
09:28:46 So it will be to share with Dennis, and the chair of our
09:28:57 council for doing the wonderful work in informing the
09:29:00 community about our goals with Hispanic license plates.
09:29:04 Thank you so much.
09:29:05 >> Thank you, Lisa. It's really an honor and a pleasure to be
09:29:10 here before this great City Commission of the great City of
09:29:15 Tampa. I'm Colonel Dennis Freytes, U.S. Army Retired, I
09:29:21 commanded infantry, special forces and humanitarian missions
09:29:25 and now a community servant.
09:29:27 So I am here with a presentation.
09:29:30 It's going to be short and simple hopefully, but it's very
09:29:34 powerful because we have the first license plate in the
09:29:38 I will talk about the license plate and then also talk about
09:29:42 the 500 Florida celebration that we are celebrating the
09:29:47 discovery of Florida, and we want to make sure that have been.
09:30:00 I will cover it very quickly, because the license plate, we
09:30:03 made it, in central Florida, the official license plate
09:30:07 Florida celebration.
09:30:09 The Hispanic achievers license plate is a way for Florida to
09:30:14 absolute the contributions of Florida's Hispanics.
09:30:16 Many times American Hispanics are elbowed out of history.
09:30:28 Hispanics have loyally protected the American flag and their
09:30:32 This license plate is a recognition of those positive efforts
09:30:36 in the American Hispanic community.
09:30:40 Like was mentioned, it was an initiative of Danny Ramos.
09:30:44 The bill was introduced by speaker cannon and by senator
09:30:53 The first organizer and plate, Danny Ramos and Lisa, the first
09:31:00 plate administrator.
09:31:01 We aim to recognize and honor all contributions, and we want
09:31:05 to include our American Hispanics in there.
09:31:09 Our mission is to promote a market, because if we don't market
09:31:12 the plate, if we don't promote it, we don't have more funds.
09:31:17 Now, these funds come to the community.
09:31:20 90% of the funds are for community programs.
09:31:24 It includes Tampa, it includes the whole State of Florida.
09:31:27 So we have a council.
09:31:28 That council -- we also develop other revenue streams.
09:31:33 We evaluate the grants.
09:31:35 I have been on the heart of Florida and United Way council, so
09:31:38 I want to make sure we properly serve the community.
09:31:45 And by doing that, by having this grant council, we evaluate
09:31:49 the proposals, make sure they go to good news use and make
09:31:54 sure the community gets that money back.
09:31:57 So 90% goes back, so it's very important to support.
09:32:01 Only 10% for administration.
09:32:06 We also want to serve our community.
09:32:11 We want to communicate.
09:32:12 It's an open, transparent program that we have.
09:32:18 You might say, well, if I explain, it would take me the whole
09:32:24 But I'm an old organization guy.
09:32:26 Military, we always like to see things organized, well done,
09:32:31 and we want to accomplish our mission.
09:32:32 So that's the organization.
09:32:36 Basically it is made up of community leaders, community
09:32:38 service, because we have to serve our community.
09:32:42 That's a picture when we had the Florida -- I mean, the Puerto
09:32:45 Rico Secretary of State.
09:32:46 He's right there in the middle.
09:32:48 He's the guy -- also the lieutenant governor of Puerto Rico.
09:32:54 He came when we did the first of these p presentations, we
09:32:57 were at the Orlando City Hall at that time, and we had the
09:33:00 Orlando mayor and everybody else.
09:33:02 We also had state representatives there and other people,
09:33:07 community leaders.
09:33:09 And never doubt that a small group of powerful committed
09:33:12 citizens can change the world.
09:33:13 And we are here to change the world for the better.
09:33:18 That's some of the pictures.
09:33:19 We have Governor Scott from Florida supporting the effort.
09:33:22 The other picture is the governor from Puerto Rico, and the
09:33:27 third picture is president Uribe from Columbia.
09:33:33 That was after he was president.
09:33:35 And we have Danny Ramos, and I think Lisa Pietri is in the
09:33:45 other picture.
09:33:47 So we have support from not only here but from Puerto Rico.
09:33:50 There's 850,000 Puerto Ricans living here, Hispanic population
09:33:57 within Florida, and the second largest Hispanic population
09:34:01 within the United States.
09:34:03 Now, we are all Americans first.
09:34:05 But we then have our ethnicity and our heritage because we
09:34:09 have to be united as Americans.
09:34:12 A little bit of the background of the place and why I mention
09:34:16 about not letting a Hispanic group be marginalized is the
09:34:21 first governor of Puerto Rico, Ponce DeLeon, organized the
09:34:24 expedition, and he sailed from Puerto Rico -- and by the way,
09:34:29 he is buried in Puerto Rico -- discovered Florida in 1513.
09:34:33 He was in search of the island of Bimini, but he came here and
09:34:37 hit Florida.
09:34:38 So he put Florida on the map, and also, at the same time, he
09:34:44 named Florida because of the Easter season of when he
09:34:47 discovered Florida.
09:34:49 In 2013, it's going to be 500 years from that momentous
09:34:56 And with this celebration, the Florida Secretary of State
09:35:00 said, we want to recognize everybody's contributions to the
09:35:05 forming of Florida. But we don't want to leave out the great
09:35:08 contributions of our Hispanics, and I'll say the European
09:35:13 discovery for our native friends, but Florida, they did bring
09:35:17 a vast civilization, they did bring the horses. There were no
09:35:21 horses here. Cows.
09:35:22 They brought a lot of things.
09:35:24 So we are going to recognize in this grandiose 500 celebration
09:35:28 the discovery of Florida.
09:35:29 And we have got a note that Puerto Rico was the Gateway to the
09:35:33 discovery of Florida, European discovery, which opened the
09:35:37 door to the settlement of the United States, 107 years before
09:35:41 the pilgrims landed.
09:35:43 107 years.
09:35:44 Yet the history books talked about the pilgrims.
09:35:47 Yeah, let's celebrate the pilgrims.
09:35:49 Let's celebrate everybody.
09:35:51 But let's not leave out our American Hispanics.
09:35:53 So that is one of the other things we want to do with this 500
09:36:01 That's the group that Ponce DeLeon took.
09:36:04 We have colonel retired U.S. Air Force who wrote a book on the
09:36:11 discovery of Florida, and he also retraced the route.
09:36:15 More and more historians are saying he landed near Melbourne
09:36:20 That's not to say St. Augustine, the second oldest city under
09:36:24 the American flag, the oldest city under the American flag is
09:36:28 San Juan, Puerto Rico, your territory of Puerto Rico, U.S.
09:36:32 citizens live there.
09:36:33 So these are our ancestors.
09:36:35 These are our lineage.
09:36:40 And that was the retraced route that it has been documented to
09:36:45 be at the most likely route right now.
09:36:49 The Florida 500 will be speaking.
09:36:52 I didn't know we had the humanity council but we are partnered
09:36:55 with Florida Secretary of State browning who two years ago we
09:37:01 met with him, has led the effort for celebrating for everybody
09:37:04 the 500 celebration of Florida.
09:37:06 And it's supported by the Florida humanities council, they got
09:37:12 those Web sites up there which I would recommend everybody to
09:37:16 join in the big celebration, because it's not only going to be
09:37:19 a celebration about Florida.
09:37:21 We want to bring in business, we want to bring in more
09:37:25 tourists, we want to spark the entrepreneurial series and use
09:37:29 this momentous occasion and bring a lot of business to Tampa,
09:37:33 bring a lot of business to Orlando, bring a lot of business to
09:37:37 And we are going to be talking with Disney, talking with
09:37:41 universal and other people.
09:37:44 Again, we have a council established, a citizens government
09:37:49 community council in central Florida with the support of the
09:37:52 mayor of six counties, basically, and I would also encourage
09:37:57 this body to do something like that, so you can get your
09:38:00 citizens, you can get your community, and you have your
09:38:05 From Lynn Lopez, with the same thing going on in Brevard
09:38:12 It's a matter of bringing in the citizens, the community into
09:38:15 the celebration along with the government.
09:38:18 And we have got to focus on that, and we have to focus in
09:38:21 coordinating major events that are coming up.
09:38:24 Some of the honorary chairs that we have, for example, are
09:38:28 depicted on the slide, would include senator Rubio, the
09:38:33 governors and other people that are supporting this effort.
09:38:37 And I talked to senator Nelson.
09:38:44 We are coming up with an event, the VIVA Florida already has
09:38:48 that in the Web site, but we encourage everybody to go to viva
09:38:52 Florida and make sure we don't step on each others' event,
09:38:55 make sure that we support each other's event, because many
09:38:58 times you have an organization that will start doing the same
09:39:03 Hey, I mean, we are going to celebrate the whole year, and
09:39:06 basically 2013 is going to be the big ceremony.
09:39:11 And the big ceremony, we want to also have the seminars.
09:39:15 We already have one here.
09:39:17 By the way, Tampa led the way because they have Hillsborough
09:39:20 community college, and will have a great seminar on the viva
09:39:29 Way think we are prioritizing right now is the Ponce DeLeon
09:39:32 island naming.
09:39:33 Right now Brevard county, and we have to support Brevard
09:39:36 county, and the city of Melbourne beach.
09:39:40 They have already sent a request to the U.S. geographic names
09:39:47 to name a barrier island where you have Cocoa Beach down to
09:39:52 Patrick Air Force Base 45 miles south, to name a barrier
09:39:57 island for Ponce DeLeon, and we want to do that in
09:40:00 recognition of the American Hispanic contribution to all this.
09:40:04 And we also have a statute that's being put in called Ponce
09:40:08 DeLeon beach, and this is not a Brevard county thing.
09:40:13 This is a statewide, Florida thing because that's where Ponce
09:40:17 DeLeon most likely landed.
09:40:19 Then we have resolutions and other things coming up in the
09:40:23 future, and we are bringing in Spain, we are bringing in
09:40:27 Florida, we are bringing in all the Latin American chambers
09:40:30 from Central America and South America.
09:40:35 When I was with U.S. Army south, one of my assignments was
09:40:39 I planned for operations in 32 countries.
09:40:44 So it's very important we bring everybody in, have a big
09:40:47 business Expo, and then be selling T-shirts, and there's a lot
09:40:51 of opportunity for entrepreneurs.
09:40:54 The owner of Ponce DeLeon, we need to support the magna
09:40:59 celebrations which are going to be through April.
09:41:01 We are inviting the king and queen of Spain.
09:41:03 We are in contact with the palace.
09:41:05 We are inviting the governors, the president of the United
09:41:09 So it's going to be grandiose.
09:41:11 And what we want to do is share the king and queen, most
09:41:15 likely they'll come for two weeks, bring them also over to
09:41:19 Tampa, have a big parade or festival, whatever, and bring them
09:41:23 It will draw people.
09:41:24 It will draw a promotion, draw more business for Tampa.
09:41:30 There's a Ponce DeLeon park.
09:41:31 And you can see a depiction of the statue.
09:41:36 The artist made it a little small there in that park.
09:41:38 And it's a park that's going to be great.
09:41:40 You might want to do something similar here in Tampa.
09:41:43 We can draw a lot of people.
09:41:45 And ending my presentation, I always honor our veterans.
09:41:50 And my honor regiment is the U.S. 65th infantry regiment
09:41:55 from Puerto Rico which was the first Hispanic segregated
09:41:58 veterans in the history of the United States.
09:42:00 They fought, my father fought with them, yet they couldn't
09:42:03 vote for their president and they couldn't vote for
09:42:06 representation in Congress.
09:42:09 The people today in Puerto Rico, U.S. territory, they are your
09:42:12 citizens, but they don't have all their full civil rights.
09:42:15 And I always want to honor that.
09:42:17 So that is my presentation.
09:42:19 I really appreciate the time.
09:42:22 And if there are any questions, I am prepared to answer.
09:42:29 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Thank you, Mr. FREYTES and Ms. Pietri.
09:42:36 I know you traveled from longwood to be here and I appreciate
09:42:40 Thank you very much for the presentation.
09:42:42 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Any other council members?
09:42:44 We move on to item number 3.
09:42:52 >>YVONNE CAPIN: We have here with us Patricia Putman,
09:42:56 Executive Director of the, and John Belohlavek to talk about
09:43:13 viva Florida.
09:43:14 >> Thank you.
09:43:17 I think you just gave our presentation, and a very thorough
09:43:21 one it was at that, a history lesson.
09:43:24 My name is John Belohlavek.
09:43:27 I'm a 40-year resident of the City of Tampa, and also
09:43:32 professor at USF.
09:43:34 But I come before you this morning to share some exciting news
09:43:38 about a group that I represent, the chair of the Florida
09:43:43 humanities council for the next several years, and we have
09:43:45 some exciting things going on over the next two years.
09:43:50 The staff and the board of humanities council recognize that
09:43:56 Florida 500 is a teachable moment for our state.
09:44:00 We have made a number of major commitments that involve
09:44:05 creating problems, funding grants, a variety of things that
09:44:08 will bring our story to teachers, students, and the general
09:44:13 public throughout our state.
09:44:17 I think as council members, you are well aware of what happens
09:44:20 in our city in terms of the nature of a movable, flexible and
09:44:26 transient population.
09:44:28 A lot of the folks who live in our city struggle.
09:44:36 They are from Michigan, they are from New Jersey, they are
09:44:39 from Illinois.
09:44:41 You know, as we look at things -- and Patricia and I were
09:44:45 chatting about this earlier -- and how people are loyal to
09:44:50 teams that again are in Boston or New York or wherever, you
09:44:56 know, places that they were born and raised.
09:45:00 So as humanities council, our struggle, our goal is to get
09:45:05 people to buy into the notion of Florida, a place, of
09:45:10 Hillsborough County, of Tampa, to give our residents a sense
09:45:14 of what Florida is and who we are.
09:45:18 We want them to know about our history.
09:45:20 We want them to know about our government, our arts, our
09:45:23 music, our people.
09:45:28 The mission of the national humanities council, and our state
09:45:32 council here in Florida, for the last 50 years, has been
09:45:35 trying to get people engaged, and in this particular
09:45:39 situation, it's coming up now in 2013, is the opportunity for
09:45:45 a celebration, a commemoration, if you will, of Florida 500.
09:45:49 It brings together, as was pointed out just a few minutes ago,
09:45:54 the opportunity to explore, if you will, particularly Native
09:45:57 American, Indian, and our Hispanic past.
09:46:01 It offers us all an opportunity to learn and share in the
09:46:06 legacy of our state.
09:46:08 We have a number of events, by the way, as a council that are
09:46:11 planned for the Tampa/hillsborough County area over the next
09:46:17 year, and we hope that you will take advantage of as many of
09:46:19 these as possible.
09:46:22 I would like to introduce now Patricia Putman of our council
09:46:33 who I know is eager to talk about some of the events we have
09:46:35 planned over the next year or so.
09:46:36 Patricia, if you would, please.
09:46:38 >> Patricia Putman: And we have a PowerPoint.
09:46:48 Thank you for having us here today.
09:46:54 For those of you that don't know the humanities council, we
09:46:58 are the state affiliate of the national endowment, meets
09:47:05 around the country, established in 1973 along with most of the
09:47:08 other council, and we are based in St. Petersburg, but we do
09:47:14 have a statewide mission that John talked about.
09:47:17 We are primarily support by funds from the national endowment
09:47:20 for the humanities, so we do receive state support, and
09:47:24 private donations as well.
09:47:25 A quick overview of our main program areas.
09:47:29 We are primarily a regrant agency.
09:47:32 We provide annually up to a half million dollars in grants and
09:47:37 contracts to community groups statewide.
09:47:41 There we go.
09:47:42 Now I'm good?
09:47:44 Grants and community groups statewide to develop their own
09:47:48 humanities programs and resources.
09:47:50 We also have a have a workshop for K-12 teachers through
09:48:01 humanities disciplines.
09:48:02 We have cultural heritage tourism trips.
09:48:07 We speak in places like Apalachicola, the Everglades,
09:48:12 providing Floridians with an in-depth look of cities that may
09:48:15 not be familiar with their own state.
09:48:20 We have a wonderful family reading program for low-literacy,
09:48:28 and the newest program is museum on Main Street which is a
09:48:31 partnership, the Smithsonian institution, which brings high
09:48:34 quality Smithsonian organized exhibition in rural communities
09:48:38 around our state.
09:48:41 The last item is our forum magazine which you have a copy of,
09:48:46 published three times a year, statewide on a number of
09:48:50 different humanities topics.
09:48:54 You can see the most recent issue of forum that was published
09:48:57 back in fall 2011 was for the quincentenary.
09:49:09 This particular issue was focused on the quincentenary.
09:49:14 Also, we were able to distribute to you on Florida history
09:49:19 moments, over the past couple years we produced over 100,
09:49:24 one-minute segments on Florida history, particularly items
09:49:32 related to the quincentenary.
09:49:36 Floridians can listen to these on eleven public radio station
09:49:39 as round the state.
09:49:40 They are also archived on our Web site, the Web sites for the
09:49:44 Florida historical society, visit Florida, and Hispana Florida
09:49:51 The Florida humanity council also has a long standing
09:49:54 relationship with Howard broadcasting station as cross the
09:49:57 We recently funded a number of public television documentaries
09:50:03 that you will begin seeing airing in the coming year.
09:50:06 WPBT in Miami is using our Florida -- is going to be producing
09:50:12 one-minute interstitials that will air across the state.
09:50:17 They also have begun production on a one-hour documentary
09:50:22 hosted by Baronstein.
09:50:29 WEDU and WUSF here in Tampa are also working on productions.
09:50:33 WEDU will be using schoolchildren, talking about Florida books
09:50:38 that have been meaningful and significant to them.
09:50:41 WUSF will be working on a documentary about Cuba's impact on
09:50:47 the State of Florida from the 1930s to the 1960s.
09:50:52 The council also this past year provided $50,000 grants to
09:50:57 three universities statewide to design and develop public and
09:51:04 academic conferences specifically related to the
09:51:09 We just concluded one of those conferences at the University
09:51:11 of Miami.
09:51:12 We will be at St. Augustine at Flagler college in May, and I
09:51:17 hope you all will be able to attend the conference scheduled
09:51:19 this October hosted by the University of South Florida in
09:51:24 their institute for the study of Latin America and the
09:51:29 There will be a number of community events to the three-day
09:51:32 conference that will be held throughout the Tampa Bay area.
09:51:35 We will be in Ybor City, the Tampa Bay history center, Centro
09:51:41 Asturiano and the Cuban club, including an oral history
09:51:47 project, Glazer museum, poetry readings, essay contest and a
09:51:54 Web site for that will be available soon on the USF Web site.
09:52:00 They also mention, we are also very dedicated to providing
09:52:03 professional development opportunities for K-12 teachers.
09:52:07 We will be in St. Augustine this spring, and this summer,
09:52:11 offering a number of free workshops for teachers on Florida's
09:52:17 colonial past.
09:52:19 Tampa teachers are welcome to apply to our Web site to attend
09:52:22 one of those workshops, which they receive in-service credit
09:52:27 We are also excited to be launching a new Web site this summer
09:52:30 called teaching Florida.org.
09:52:33 It's going to be a great new resource for public
09:52:35 schoolteachers in the State of Florida for classroom ideas and
09:52:39 lesson plans and resources based on Florida history.
09:52:43 The first module of that Web site will focus on the colonial
09:52:48 period of Florida.
09:52:52 This is a wonderful new poster that was just announced, the
09:52:55 winning design was announced at the Capitol yesterday in
09:53:00 This is the official commemorative poster for the viva Florida
09:53:07 The artist is Christopher stills who many of you are aware of,
09:53:11 a wonderful Florida artist.
09:53:13 This will be distributed to the entire Florida congressional
09:53:16 delegation, members of the Florida legislature, public
09:53:19 library, schools, businesses, and cultural agencies throughout
09:53:24 the state through 2013.
09:53:27 And we will make sure that you all receive a copy.
09:53:36 One of the final projects we are launching the this next year
09:53:39 is a great Floridians living history tour.
09:53:42 These are historical reenactors that will be traveling across
09:53:47 the state to communities and they will include characters such
09:53:50 as Francisco Menendez, Osceola, and others.
09:53:55 In order to make all these programs happen like our previous
09:53:58 presenters discussed, we have to have partnerships across the
09:54:02 We have been working very closely with the Florida department
09:54:04 of state, certainly with efforts by the former Secretary of
09:54:09 State Kurt Browning.
09:54:13 We held events in Washington, D.C. and at the Capitol hosted
09:54:16 by Governor Scott and the first lady.
09:54:18 Again, their Web site FLA500.com is a great resource for
09:54:23 statewide activities related to the quincentenary.
09:54:29 We also worked very closely with visit Florida on the
09:54:31 marketing and promotion of these events and activities.
09:54:34 That is the best resource for an online calendar, events at
09:54:44 We are also partners with the Hispana Florida Foundation, that
09:54:47 is working hard on trade opportunities between Florida and
09:54:50 Spain, the coordination of royal visits, talk to them as well,
09:54:57 and cultural and educational programming around the state.
09:55:03 Locally, we encourage communities here in Tampa to contact the
09:55:07 Florida humanities council, statewide for design and develop
09:55:10 programs and resources related to the quincentenary.
09:55:14 We do have competitive grant funds available to make that
09:55:17 And you are welcome to go online to our Web site to find out
09:55:21 more information about how the they can become part of this
09:55:24 large statewide efforts that involves many, many parts.
09:55:30 If there are any questions, we appreciate you having us give
09:55:33 this presentation for the council.
09:55:34 >>MARY MULHERN: I have one question.
09:55:41 You might have mentioned.
09:55:42 This you know how you do your historic tours to St. Augustine?
09:55:49 Do you ever do that in Tampa where you could do Ybor City and
09:55:52 West Tampa?
09:55:54 >> There will be tours related to the conference that's coming
09:55:58 up in October, the USF group will be organizing tours through
09:56:04 the Tampa area as part of that conference, yes.
09:56:07 >> (off microphone) and there are other people as well.
09:56:17 >>MARY MULHERN: It occurs to me, too with our recent new
09:56:26 flights between Tampa and Havana and other cities that the
09:56:32 whole history, you know, Cuban Tampa history, is a good
09:56:38 opportunity for tourism.
09:56:41 >>> Absolutely.
09:56:44 We have a grant a few years ago and they are trying to make
09:56:54 those available to visitors that can come in and download and
09:56:57 do a self-guided walking tour of the area.
09:57:00 >>MARY MULHERN: But the one that kind of does the development
09:57:03 of the tours? Is that what you are telling me?
09:57:06 >> He does them kind of on his own, too.
09:57:08 >> (off microphone) it's unfortunate, that's the way it is but
09:57:20 that is the reality right now.
09:57:22 Again, the timing, we talk about it sometimes within our
09:57:29 But --
09:57:32 >>MARY MULHERN: This is more the Tampa connection.
09:57:33 >> As the connection is there.
09:57:40 But, yes, there was some disappointment, I think, within the
09:57:43 council about the inability to integrate and the way the
09:57:46 Cuban-Florida connection, if you will, in terms of the 500.
09:57:51 >>MARY MULHERN: Right.
09:57:53 This is one of the things I know you probably know about this,
09:57:56 but when the flights first started, I think a lot of people
09:58:02 were talking about trying to make Tampa a stop-over between --
09:58:08 I mean, we have the legal flights now, and people are
09:58:11 traveling from other countries.
09:58:13 So it's a tourist opportunity that maybe you can work with.
09:58:19 >> We would welcome that.
09:58:27 Our goal is sense of place for Floridians, but it's also an
09:58:30 opportunity, I think, to educate, to expand the horizons so
09:58:34 people outside the state and even outside the country,
09:58:37 So we have really Spain, the Caribbean, honoring our borders.
09:58:45 We get terribly frustrated in all honesty.
09:58:49 I think there could be a number of you who dealt with your
09:58:52 children, grandchildren, whatever, that have seen Pocahontas,
09:58:57 and I think every young girl has seen Pocahontas, and there
09:59:00 was a feature film on settling Virginia.
09:59:04 We get terribly frustrated.
09:59:06 >>MARY MULHERN: Can you get to the mike?
09:59:09 >> Sure.
09:59:10 The programs were mention add few minutes ago, you know,
09:59:13 Virginia is another issue with us.
09:59:16 You know, the focus seems to be obviously on Jamestown and
09:59:20 Virginia and the pilgrims and Thanksgiving.
09:59:22 And we are waiving our arms and say, what about St. Augustine?
09:59:26 What about Florida?
09:59:27 We really were first.
09:59:29 And San Marcos, and you realize there's a permanency to
09:59:37 St. Augustine.
09:59:37 It's not as if it's gone.
09:59:39 So we are terribly frustrated at some level.
09:59:41 And this is our opportunity.
09:59:42 This is our moment, if you will.
09:59:44 I think in terms of statewide history, 500th anniversary,
09:59:48 it's a very special moment.
09:59:49 And that's why we really appreciate the opportunity to talk
09:59:51 with you all, because as many people as we can get on board to
09:59:56 get the message out there, this is exciting for us.
09:59:59 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I know several years ago the city received
10:00:07 some grants along with other nonprofits in the area from the
10:00:11 humanities council.
10:00:13 Beyond what was just outlined on the last slide very briefly,
10:00:20 are there still grant funds available from the humanities
10:00:24 Beyond what was on there?
10:00:27 We have many grant programs, small grants, up to $2,000.
10:00:31 We have two-year grants called partnership grants.
10:00:34 Those are $8,000.
10:00:36 And we will have another major grant that will open up this
10:00:41 fall, and those are large grants up to 15,000.
10:00:43 >>LISA MONTELIONE: And the details of the -- the 2,000, 8,000
10:00:52 and 15,000 grants are on your Web site?
10:00:54 >> It's on our Web site.
10:00:56 >> And it's a rolling process, too.
10:01:01 We can adjust.
10:01:03 We have been involved with grants.
10:01:04 But the grants processes are rolling ones.
10:01:07 So there's always opportunity literally to apply for one grant
10:01:10 or another.
10:01:11 It's a rolling process.
10:01:13 >>LISA MONTELIONE: And would the council be partnering for a
10:01:19 grant if we were to apply to the federal government or some
10:01:23 other large funding agency?
10:01:25 >> Yes.
10:01:25 We are very happy to participate.
10:01:28 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Thank you very much.
10:01:30 >> BELOHLAVEK: Thank you all very much.
10:01:37 >>MARY MULHERN: Item number 3.
10:01:47 >> Number 4.
10:01:53 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I'm sorry.
10:01:54 I want to say thank you for being here.
10:01:57 Thank you for informing us.
10:01:59 And one of the things that -- a term that I use is Hispana did
10:02:06 not discover Florida, but they came and changed the world.
10:02:15 (Speaking away from microphone).
10:02:32 >> We use the word encounter, discovery has an accuracy to
10:02:38 only people on the other side of the world but obviously, now,
10:02:42 the encounter between Hispanics particularly and Native
10:02:45 Americans was significant for hundreds of years and remains
10:02:50 We look around, obviously, you know, both groups, Hispanics
10:02:54 and Native Americans represented in our state in, a variety of
10:02:57 different ways, and there's been an evolutionary process over
10:03:00 those 500 years, which is again amazing.
10:03:03 Our goal is to bring that story, from that 500 years ago
10:03:07 literally into the 21st century.
10:03:10 So thank you so much for taking leadership and asking us here.
10:03:15 >>YVONNE CAPIN: When you mention the frustration, we have to
10:03:17 remember that the history books were written by people in the
10:03:26 And all of the south, a lost it, was not included.
10:03:29 Not just Florida.
10:03:30 Many parts.
10:03:30 >> You are absolutely right.
10:03:31 And as somebody who teaches history at the university, I deal
10:03:36 with that all the time, and we have to make what is an
10:03:40 informed decision in terms of what you assign to your students
10:03:44 because we want to raise that level as you suggested,
10:03:47 It's terribly important particularly as you look at the makeup
10:03:50 of the United States, the direction that we are going.
10:03:51 We better be inclusive or we leave a lot of folks out of our
10:03:56 Thank you all very much.
10:03:57 I appreciate it.
10:03:58 >>MARY MULHERN: Item number 4.
10:04:06 Councilwoman Capin.
10:04:08 >>YVONNE CAPIN: It is my pleasure to introduce the honorable
10:04:11 E.J. Salcines.
10:04:16 To Chairman Miranda who is not here, the five minutes was a
10:04:25 >> Good morning.
10:04:29 How many is it?
10:04:31 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I'll let you know.
10:04:32 >> E.J. Salcines: I would like to supplement the good
10:04:38 statements made here earlier.
10:04:39 I encourage you to participate actively, and encourage all
10:04:44 agencies throughout our municipality and our region to
10:04:47 participate in this viva Florida.
10:04:50 As has been correctly said, we have almost 18 million in
10:04:59 population, and the great, great majority of that 18 million
10:05:04 in the State of Florida are recent arrivals and have no idea
10:05:10 that Florida even existed before the second world war.
10:05:17 Very true when you start asking a people, how much do they
10:05:21 know about Florida history?
10:05:22 So this is a great opportunity to enhance our population with
10:05:30 the knowledge of the rich history that Florida has and the
10:05:34 important role that Florida has played in the development of
10:05:39 our great nation.
10:05:41 Remember, no other state in the United States has a longer
10:05:49 reported history than the State of Florida.
10:05:53 Perhaps we use loosely the word "discovery."
10:05:58 We would be quick to admit that the first to discover Florida
10:06:03 were the natives, and they came from someplace else.
10:06:08 But from a European point of view, Florida was discovered in
10:06:15 1513, but it was also the discovery of what turned out to be
10:06:19 the continental United States.
10:06:23 The efforts that are being made not only will enlighten those
10:06:28 that are unaware that St. Augustine, Florida, was already
10:06:34 operating almost 50 years before our English forefathers
10:06:40 arrived in Jamestown, and almost 07 years before our
10:06:48 forefathers arrived in Plymouth rock.
10:06:53 As the distinguished historian at the University of Florida,
10:06:56 Michael GANNON, frequently has said, by the time our English
10:07:01 forefathers arrived in Plymouth, and in Jamestown, we in
10:07:06 St. Augustine were already an urban renewal.
10:07:12 But the great majority of our citizens are unaware of that.
10:07:16 So this forgotten century in American history is a great
10:07:21 opportunity during this viva Florida celebration.
10:07:30 I have been asked to explain a bit more of the Hispanic
10:07:33 presence in Florida in these 500 years.
10:07:38 Yes, we are quick to admit, most people are aware that
10:07:43 St. Augustine, Florida is the oldest city in the United
10:07:47 States, but most are unaware that the oldest state capital in
10:07:54 the continental United States is Santa Fe, New Mexico,
10:08:01 established almost at the very time that Jamestown was being
10:08:07 We have also forgotten that Florida had missions here,
10:08:14 Christian missions, 200 years before the missions of
10:08:20 The missions of Florida preceded the missions of the
10:08:24 southwest, and of the missions of California.
10:08:28 But the Hispanic presence continued during every one of the
10:08:33 centuries from the very start of the discovery of Florida to
10:08:41 One forgotten area is the role that Hispanics, and Spain
10:08:45 particularly, played during our war of independence.
10:08:51 The currency of the United States today is called the dollar,
10:08:57 with two Ls, because that was because they adopted the term of
10:09:05 the spawn I shall currency at that particular time, which was
10:09:08 the dollar with one L.
10:09:14 You find that the 13 colonies adopted the Spanish milled
10:09:21 dollar as the currency of the 13 colonies.
10:09:28 Some of you are looking at the currency of the 13 colonies.
10:09:38 I have enlarged some of the currency.
10:09:40 Each colony issued their own currency.
10:09:44 The first currency that they issued was called the
10:09:47 continental, but there was no money in the bank, so the
10:09:52 business people rejected, and that's where we got the term "it
10:09:58 ain't worth a continental."
10:10:01 And that's when the Spanish milled dollar came into use.
10:10:11 (Bell sounds)
10:10:12 And when you read the currency of the 13 different colonies,
10:10:18 you find, as I have highlighted for you, guaranteed by the
10:10:24 Spanish milled dollar.
10:10:28 The Spanish milled dollars, what does milled mean, E.J.?
10:10:35 It means that when the 13 colonies would use the Spanish due
10:10:53 balloon to guarantee it was DUBLOON was genuine and not
10:11:01 counterfeit, they would run their thumb on the side, and it
10:11:06 was milled.
10:11:07 If you get a quarter out of your pocket and you run the nail,
10:11:10 that is to prevent counterfeiting.
10:11:13 The counterfeiters have never been able to copy the milling
10:11:17 around the coin.
10:11:20 The Spanish also would use silver, or perhaps gold, because
10:11:28 the gold coins circulated throughout the 13 colonies, as did
10:11:35 the silver Spanish DOLAR or Spanish DUBLOON.
10:11:51 To see if it's genuine we bite into the currency.
10:11:53 That's where we got two bits, four bits, six bits a dollar, a
10:12:04 term that we all associate with the United States early on.
10:12:10 What they would take is the Spanish DUBLOON, cut in the half,
10:12:18 then cut those two halves in half.
10:12:21 Out of one piece they would have four quarters in today's
10:12:28 But back then two bits was a quarter, two bits was 50 cents,
10:12:34 three of those bits would be 357 cents and the Spanish
10:12:43 doubloon the full eight bits, coming again from the bite.
10:13:03 Because of the currency.
10:13:04 It was Thomas Jefferson on motion to the continental Congress
10:13:08 that said since we are using the Spanish milled dollar as the
10:13:11 currency, let's adopt the Spanish method of counting money,
10:13:19 which is the decimal system, not the English 12, but the
10:13:23 Spanish 10.
10:13:24 We still maintain that decimal system as the method of
10:13:29 counting our money.
10:13:31 And, in conclusion, even the dollar sign has its Hispanic
10:13:39 presence, because the Spanish milled dollar, as written in the
10:13:43 currency --
10:13:48 >>YVONNE CAPIN: E.J., excuse me, there's one overhead if they
10:13:51 want to put on the screen.
10:13:53 >> Yes.
10:13:53 The overhead is the identical one that you have brought for
10:13:58 all of us to see, where it has ten Spanish milled dollars, but
10:14:04 in conclusion, even our dollar sign is of Hispanic origin.
10:14:15 The S for Spain and the gold and silver bars that guaranteed
10:14:19 the money.
10:14:20 So the silver dollar, the gold bars, and S for Spanish gold
10:14:31 bars is our dollar sign.
10:14:35 We hope and we encourage all that are listening to participate
10:14:39 in these good programs that are coming up during this next
10:14:43 year, because it will certainly highlight the rich history
10:14:47 that Florida has for all of the nation, and it is the Hispanic
10:14:52 presence in the United States over a 500-year period, not just
10:14:59 the forgotten century, the very first century of exploration,
10:15:05 the forgotten century in American history, but also
10:15:08 recognizing the Spanish participation in the war of
10:15:12 independence, Spain, the forgotten ally of the United States.
10:15:19 Thank you very much.
10:15:20 If you have any questions I will be glad to respond.
10:15:28 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Thank you for that.
10:15:30 Very much appreciated and very informative.
10:15:31 >>MARY MULHERN: That was all news to me.
10:15:37 The dollar sign especially.
10:15:46 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Thank you, Judge Salcines.
10:15:49 >> And this is an endangered species that most American
10:15:53 citizens are unaware of the currency and guarantee by the
10:15:56 Spanish milled dollar.
10:16:01 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Thank you.
10:16:05 >> If there's nothing further, thank you very much and have a
10:16:18 good day.
10:16:20 >>YVONNE CAPIN: You have a good day.
10:16:20 Thank you.
10:16:25 >>MARY MULHERN: Item number 5.
10:16:30 Item number 5 is the presentation from the citizens advisory
10:16:37 committee on cultural assets as an economic engine, and our
10:16:42 vice chair, retired major general David Scott, will be
10:16:49 Thank you.
10:16:50 >> Thank you very much.
10:16:53 Good to be with you today.
10:16:54 The chairman is Ron Kirkpaldi.
10:16:59 He had to be in front of a court today.
10:17:02 I got the better deal.
10:17:04 We are a result of your resolution six months ago to establish
10:17:08 this advisory committee of economic cultural assets,
10:17:13 specifically importance of cultural asset of engines of
10:17:18 economic development.
10:17:19 And our recommendations should stimulate and serve as a
10:17:23 catalyst for action from this committee.
10:17:29 We are a group of eleven, and we are asked to come before you
10:17:33 every six months and report on our progress.
10:17:39 During the first six months I'll tell that you your instinct
10:17:41 were very good and accurate.
10:17:43 There are two aspects is of cultural economic impact, one in
10:17:51 And if you look at reports about the difference between
10:17:56 different types of tourism, it's interesting to note that
10:18:00 heritage of cultural tourism accounts for about 80% of what
10:18:05 people will say it, they focus on when they travel.
10:18:09 Of them, 30% picked their destinations based on those cultural
10:18:19 Take extra time to do side visitation when they get to their
10:18:25 25% travel three or more times per year.
10:18:29 44% like to shop while they travel, and they spend more money
10:18:35 than other types of tourists.
10:18:36 So the potential economic impact of promoting our strategic
10:18:40 strengths and our cultural assets is there.
10:18:46 There's a second important area, and that is, we are trying to
10:18:50 grow Tampa into a more vibrant economy, we have to attract a
10:18:55 certain type of vibrant individual.
10:18:58 These people are more attracted to live in a place with a high
10:19:02 quality of life, and often that is defined by the cultural
10:19:05 assets that they run into.
10:19:09 This has been proven in other cities around the United States,
10:19:13 and even recently last weekend, if you read the Tampa Trib,
10:19:18 there's an article about the James beard culinary award.
10:19:21 We had three nominees out of Tampa.
10:19:23 And if you read their interviews, there was a sense of, hey,
10:19:27 Tampa is establishing itself now in a different realm.
10:19:31 We are beginning to get national recognition for things such
10:19:34 as our food, which many would not have expected from a place
10:19:39 like Tampa.
10:19:40 So I just wanted, at the beginning, to emphasize, I think the
10:19:45 discussions were involving best use of our economic or
10:19:50 cultural assets for economic benefit is a good one.
10:19:55 I would like to surrender the microphone.
10:19:58 We have established four subtask forces.
10:20:02 We have one on process, so much of our initial discussions had
10:20:10 to do with the perception that it was so difficult to get
10:20:15 permission to establish a cultural or artistic event.
10:20:19 Many people were deterred from it, although there was a great
10:20:23 deal of discussion in the first six months.
10:20:26 Gina Grimes is our chair for that task force.
10:20:28 Unfortunately, Gina had to leave for another appointment.
10:20:32 I'll cover that at the end.
10:20:33 The second task force is defining your cultural assets.
10:20:36 We focused on a bit of process discussion, but then the
10:20:40 question is, if we are going to harness the potential of a
10:20:45 cultural asset, exactly what are they?
10:20:48 And for an interim report I would like to have Steven Benson
10:20:51 come up and talk about that.
10:20:55 >> Have you all gotten a hard copy of the handout?
10:21:06 >> Yes.
10:21:06 >> Steven Benson: As a result of council's interest and
10:21:15 commitment to preserving the cultural identity of Tampa, this
10:21:17 committee has focused on issues and problems that affect one
10:21:21 or more of the city's cultural assets.
10:21:24 As council is aware, culture is not determined by one
10:21:27 organization, one agency or one idea.
10:21:29 Rather, what makes Tampa unique is convergence of a multitude
10:21:33 of cultural assets, historic, institutional, educational,
10:21:38 natural, recreational, the arts and the everyday things we do,
10:21:43 eat and drink.
10:21:45 The four things that we established, creative foundation for
10:21:48 this committee to identity and target cultural issues and
10:21:51 importance, and provide them in the form of recommendations to
10:21:54 City Council and how to move forward.
10:21:56 And as you can see right here, and the second thing that
10:22:02 should be in your packet is a list of examples that we used in
10:22:06 our brainstorming process, in creating these themes.
10:22:18 And, again, this is by no means exhaustive but a sampling of
10:22:24 specific assets that we use for brainstorming.
10:22:26 As you can see, they fall in a range of different categories,
10:22:32 and the ones they do are the ones that make Tampa unique and
10:22:36 ones that deserve possibly additional consideration.
10:22:41 And with that, if there are any questions.
10:22:45 >>MARY MULHERN: We'll reserve to the end.
10:22:58 Thank you.
10:22:58 >>> The discussion about the cultural assets, defining the
10:23:05 resources, and I was particularly impressed with the last
10:23:09 presentation from the Florida humanities council.
10:23:12 Many of the initiatives that they described had to do with
10:23:18 taking the cultural assets of the State of Florida and
10:23:21 integrating them and promoting them and making them a more
10:23:27 pronounced aspect of our national image.
10:23:32 We are looking at that same interest here at a more local
10:23:37 The subject of resources also includes money.
10:23:43 Our third task force has to do with funding issues, money
10:23:46 issues, and I would like to ask Art Keeble to come up to the
10:23:56 microphone and talk about our status there.
10:23:59 >> Good morning.
10:24:01 The group is currently in a fact finding mode.
10:24:04 We are looking at doing a lot of research into funding both
10:24:08 from the city and other sources.
10:24:10 But we are right now looking at the process the city uses to
10:24:14 fund cultural organizations.
10:24:17 We are also looking into alternative sources for funding which
10:24:21 might include the sales tax, might include employee giving
10:24:29 that some communities, do might include an Internet cafe, and
10:24:34 the list is extensive.
10:24:36 We are looking into criteria from which organizations or
10:24:39 individuals should qualify for city funding.
10:24:44 We are looking into which cultural organizations provide core
10:24:48 services to the residents that cannot be funded from other
10:24:53 We are evaluating community and neighborhood cultural projects
10:24:57 that serve a group of residents that have no access to
10:25:01 cultural programming.
10:25:03 We would like to establish programs that provide cultural
10:25:06 programs throughout the City of Tampa, and we would like to
10:25:12 evaluate existing programs such as libraries and centers for
10:25:18 cultural programming.
10:25:19 And in six months we'll come back with perhaps recommendations
10:25:23 in these areas.
10:25:24 Thank you.
10:25:24 >>MARY MULHERN: Thank you.
10:25:30 >>> The first task force has to do with marketing, as we
10:25:35 reviewed our challenge, obviously getting the word out is
10:25:40 We are still in the fact finding stage there.
10:25:42 Our chair Todd Smith was unable to be with us today, but
10:25:46 Steven Benson is also on that task force, and I would like to
10:25:49 you come up and say a few words about marketing.
10:25:52 >> Steven Benson: The marketing task force was first sent out
10:26:00 to reach out to the cultural stake holders that were
10:26:03 participating in marketing for the City of Tampa and the Tampa
10:26:06 Bay region.
10:26:07 And interviews were conducted.
10:26:09 And we determined that there was a lot of duplication of
10:26:12 efforts, and there may be some confusion about who is already
10:26:18 out there marketing doing the same thing, doing the same thing
10:26:21 that you are doing.
10:26:22 So our thought was that this committee would hold a workshop
10:26:27 for the cultural stakeholders that participate in marketing to
10:26:31 meet all of the cultural assets, representatives from all the
10:26:37 cultural assets in the city and meet face to face and
10:26:42 understand what each agency does and why they exist.
10:26:45 And once established, this communication continue informal
10:26:53 settings, so it was really to bring everyone together and
10:26:55 create that connection, because some organizations may not
10:26:58 have spoken to other organizations, and some assets we may be
10:27:03 unaware of.
10:27:03 And if we are going to effectively market our region, we
10:27:06 should be in communication actually going on to the fullest
10:27:10 extent possible.
10:27:12 And I believe in September we were looking to hold that
10:27:21 So that's the current state of affairs.
10:27:24 >>> All right.
10:27:28 For task forces.
10:27:31 Our combination of specific recommendations, and just the
10:27:33 general status report, characterizes this first report back to
10:27:41 On the special events permitting task force, there are some
10:27:45 very specific recommendations.
10:27:47 In your packet, you should have an item titled cultural asset
10:27:52 permit subcommittee recommendations.
10:27:55 There are seven.
10:28:01 Of these, the first three, one-stop permit processing, a
10:28:04 streamlining effort to coordinate our work at city, so you go
10:28:09 to one office and get all your business done.
10:28:13 It has been discussed with city administration and legal.
10:28:18 Number two, central billing and invoice system, simplifies the
10:28:24 business of paying what needs to be paid and getting the money
10:28:26 disbursed to the correct department.
10:28:29 It's good business recommendation.
10:28:33 Number 3 is the City Council approval for certain street
10:28:37 This just reflects the realization that there is a step in the
10:28:41 process that requires a significant amount of time to
10:28:45 accomplish, that in the opinion of your advisory committee is
10:28:49 an unnecessary step.
10:28:52 So the recommendation is to amend the process to get approval
10:29:01 for the certain street closure.
10:29:07 Now, the rationale for these suggestions are to encourage a
10:29:12 more active schedule of events that promote our cultural
10:29:19 For the first three, we recommend to council to take action as
10:29:24 soon as possible.
10:29:28 Four, five, six and seven are significant recommendations from
10:29:33 those that have advised and shared their opinions with our
10:29:37 task force.
10:29:41 Number 4 is what is considered to be a mechanical step that
10:29:47 would not improve the process, the mayor's approval is
10:29:56 important but a step that requires an additional signature
10:29:59 that delay it is process.
10:30:02 We would recommend that be reviewed and eliminated unless
10:30:05 absolutely necessary.
10:30:08 Number 5 deals with temporary wet zoning, are focus on
10:30:15 noncharitable organizations, certain number per year.
10:30:19 It's a focused effort to facilitate those type of cultural
10:30:24 events that would promote the signature that we think will
10:30:29 help us move forward and create more energy in Tampa as a
10:30:37 Specific examples are noted in item 5.
10:30:41 Number 6 is a request to revise a facility permit fee,
10:30:46 depending on the numbers expected, time of year, reserves, and
10:30:52 again the attempt was to make it an attractive option for
10:30:56 those who want to do the work of sponsoring an event.
10:31:00 Then number 7 is city co-sponsorship of special events.
10:31:05 Any incentive at all that would encourage more events, more
10:31:09 things to happen, things that would promote a multi-day stay
10:31:14 for a visitor who may be in the area.
10:31:16 We should be, as a council, our recommendation is to be very
10:31:22 friendly to those types of requests.
10:31:27 So submitted to you, these are specific recommendations out of
10:31:31 the special events permitting group.
10:31:34 And of all the things we discussed, it appears to be the
10:31:37 signature that was strongest that we could use the help.
10:31:41 >>THE CLERK: Could we get a copy of that material for the
10:31:50 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Yes.
10:31:50 Cindy is making copies.
10:31:51 Sorry that it was not there.
10:31:52 >>MARY MULHERN: Councilman Cohen?
10:31:56 >>HARRY COHEN: Thank you very much for that explanation of
10:31:59 these items.
10:32:00 I know that we all appreciate very much how much hard work
10:32:03 went into this, and I think it's really excellent when we get
10:32:08 recommendations that by considering we may be able to make it
10:32:12 easier on people to host the kind of events that we are trying
10:32:17 to promote.
10:32:21 First of all, I think that there's no question that we
10:32:26 schedule something in the near future to talk about these
10:32:27 items so that we can act on them quickly.
10:32:30 I wanted to just make a quick comment, though, on item number
10:32:34 3 and item number 7.
10:32:38 In terms of item number 3, it's, I think, important that we
10:32:44 have a mechanism for neighborhoods to comment on these
10:32:48 temporary street closures.
10:32:50 And so one of the things that I will be looking at when we
10:32:53 evaluate how to handle that is whether or not there's any kind
10:32:57 of an opportunity for public comment so that if in the past
10:33:02 there's been some problems with different street closures, we
10:33:05 have a way of knowing that and dealing with that.
10:33:07 And then the item, number 7, I think is an excellent idea.
10:33:14 The one thing I would add to it, though, is that I think it's
10:33:18 important that we have some lead time before we change our
10:33:20 process so that it doesn't start so quickly that people that
10:33:27 thought they were going to have an opportunity to apply for a
10:33:30 special event permit through the old process would somehow
10:33:33 find themselves.
10:33:36 So with those two comments, I certainly would be in favor of
10:33:39 taking up these matters at the pleasure of council.
10:33:42 >>MARY MULHERN: Councilwoman Capin.
10:33:45 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Item number 3, Rebecca Kert is here.
10:33:49 I want to make a correction that it doesn't add five days, it
10:33:55 adds 30 days.
10:33:56 And Rebecca Kert is here to explain the procedures that we
10:33:58 already have in place to understand it a little better on item
10:34:04 number 3, which would be --
10:34:07 >>REBECCA KERT: Legal department.
10:34:11 I'm assume number 3 is the special events coming to City
10:34:13 Council for approval?
10:34:16 >> Street closures.
10:34:17 >>REBECCA KERT: Currently under your special event s
10:34:20 ordinance as it's written now, and currently in city parks are
10:34:26 approved administratively, if they require street closure,
10:34:29 they are viewed administratively, and then eventually come to
10:34:32 City Council.
10:34:33 As City Council has heard me say before, that anytime you are
10:34:36 regulating parks and streets, streets and parks are the
10:34:42 quintessential public forum, and a court is going to review
10:34:45 your regulations very carefully.
10:34:47 Among other things they are going to insist that our
10:34:49 regulations are content neutral and they do not contain any
10:34:53 unbridled discussion.
10:34:55 Right now these come before you on your consent agenda.
10:34:57 They are not set for any sort of public hearing.
10:35:00 There is neighborhood notice provided by the officials to the
10:35:06 neighborhood association, and -- not directly, it's pasted on
10:35:11 the city's Web site, and also in downtown and Ybor, I believe
10:35:18 it's YCDC and the downtown partnership receive additional
10:35:22 However, they are not set for public comment, and they are not
10:35:25 set for public comment because, as I said, you are not
10:35:29 allowed -- if it's determined they meet all the requirements
10:35:34 you have legislative set up in advance council doesn't have
10:35:38 discretion to deny it because you don't like the event.
10:35:40 So on that, if there are any questions.
10:35:46 >>YVONNE CAPIN: So Gina is not here, and she chaired this
10:35:50 committee, this task force.
10:35:52 One of the things that was noted was that this was
10:36:01 Because the process is in place, and the event petitioner goes
10:36:09 through the process that we have set in place, or that council
10:36:12 set in place, therefore when it comes to us, it is ministerial
10:36:18 and it adds 30 days.
10:36:22 I want to know what is happening in our city, and what streets
10:36:26 are closing, but to add 30 days to the permit because it's
10:36:29 coming and it has to come on our regular City Council date,
10:36:38 for something that we cannot deny --
10:36:43 >>MARY MULHERN: Councilman Cohen.
10:36:44 >>HARRY COHEN: I want to pose a hypothetical here and ask you
10:36:49 how that fits into what you are saying.
10:36:51 And I understand what Councilwoman Capin is saying as well.
10:36:55 If we have -- if we authorize a street closure on our consent
10:37:03 agenda, an event takes place, and hypothetically there's an
10:37:08 outcry from the neighborhood around us, the following year,
10:37:12 when that same event comes back to us to ask again for the
10:37:18 same street closure, do we have any authority based on the
10:37:23 prior year's experience, and an up happy neighborhood, to deny
10:37:29 that request?
10:37:30 Or, in fact, does that fall into the category you were
10:37:35 describing where we still have no discretion?
10:37:42 >>REBECCA KERT: Let me answer.
10:37:44 That your code has specific standards for when an application
10:37:46 can be rejected.
10:37:47 If it doesn't meet any of those standards, regardless, if
10:37:51 people don't want that event in the neighborhood, and you can
10:37:53 think of some unpopular event that might want to take place
10:37:57 and have parades or protests or even festivals that the
10:38:04 community would not want in their area.
10:38:06 For that very reason neighborhoods might not want it, that the
10:38:10 court says you do not have discretion.
10:38:12 That being said, one of the things you can reject on is if
10:38:16 there was damage done to city property, and the applicant from
10:38:22 the prior year did not reimburse the city for any damage
10:38:25 >>HARRY COHEN: What about like excessive noise and things
10:38:30 like that?
10:38:32 >>REBECCA KERT: That is not in here.
10:38:33 That would be dealt with at the event.
10:38:34 >>HARRY COHEN: That would be dealt with at the event by the
10:38:37 police or whoever was --
10:38:39 >>REBECCA KERT: That's correct.
10:38:42 >>MARY MULHERN: Councilwoman Montelione.
10:38:44 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Thank you.
10:38:50 I have a couple of issues, and they are all related to zoning.
10:39:00 The economic competitiveness committee that I sat on I think
10:39:06 has already addressed the item number 1.
10:39:10 Could you give her a copy?
10:39:12 Item number 1, create the one-stop permitting process that is
10:39:16 all ongoing as part of all the regulations submitted by the
10:39:20 economic competitiveness committee to streamline that process.
10:39:23 >>REBECCA KERT: I know they have done that for land
10:39:29 development permitting.
10:39:29 I am not aware they have done that for special event
10:39:32 >>LISA MONTELIONE: So the Construction Services Center, not
10:39:42 to use an acronym, is now co-locating Land Development
10:39:46 Coordination with someone from the fire marshal's office for
10:39:51 review of permitting.
10:39:53 So since they are in the same office now, and the special
10:40:00 event permit is talking about coordination between land
10:40:02 development review and the fire marshal.
10:40:04 >>REBECCA KERT: The special event permit is actually
10:40:09 administered by parks, and the special events department, and
10:40:13 they do reach out to all those different departments.
10:40:16 So it is different than the zoning.
10:40:19 This isn't a zoning issue.
10:40:21 It's handled by a different agency.
10:40:24 But they do involve many of the same entities in reviewing,
10:40:29 that's correct.
10:40:30 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Now it's co-located, so that is a step
10:40:34 toward that process of streamlining.
10:40:37 The centralized billing invoice system, and I don't know if
10:40:40 you can answer this one, with our computer systems being what
10:40:45 they are, until we have our TNI department upgrades, has
10:40:58 anyone talked to accounting?
10:41:00 Has anybody talked to all these departments? Because I don't
10:41:02 think a lot of our departments systems are integrated to
10:41:06 accomplish that.
10:41:08 From a technology standpoint.
10:41:12 But that is something else that as we go through the process
10:41:17 of upgrading our computer systems which we all approved, I
10:41:21 think that issue will work itself out once technology is in
10:41:36 place, and our computer systems just don't talk to one
10:41:39 But I love that idea.
10:41:41 It makes perfect sense.
10:41:43 What has come to me before from someone who stages very large
10:41:47 events, very visible events, signature events, was that they
10:41:52 didn't understand why, as a part of the permit, they were
10:41:56 required to restore the grounds they were using to the
10:42:01 condition in which they found them, so they had to hire their
10:42:07 own staff to clean up the event space in the park, but yet
10:42:10 also had to pay for solid waste or park employees to be
10:42:17 on-site to handle any waste generated and pick up trash and do
10:42:25 So that's something that's not specifically mentioned as part
10:42:29 of the billing and invoicing.
10:42:34 But there seems to be a redundancy if we are requiring people
10:42:37 to restore the park and clean up after themselves, why we also
10:42:42 are requiring them to pay for somebody to be on-site from city
10:42:46 staff to do the same thing?
10:42:56 I agree with you about the neighborhoods.
10:42:59 And when we call for public comment during a meeting, it's to
10:43:04 any item on the agenda first, or any item off the agenda, and
10:43:08 even though they are on the consent agenda, it still provides
10:43:13 anyone who wants to come and speak to that item has the
10:43:18 opportunity to speak to it.
10:43:19 Now, how we respond and whether or not we can address a
10:43:24 concern from a legal standpoint, maybe a separate matter, but
10:43:29 it might bring to light some issues that we hadn't heard about
10:43:33 So it might require that there are additional police on hand,
10:43:38 or it might require that -- yeah, I don't know what might come
10:43:43 of it, but if a neighborhood is concerned about a particular
10:43:47 event that they have had issues with before, we may not have
10:43:52 Maybe there's extra solid waste people that need to be on
10:43:57 I don't know.
10:43:57 >>REBECCA KERT: Legal department.
10:44:01 In this case, as I said earlier, there is an opportunity to
10:44:06 provide notice, and if you are not satisfied with the notices
10:44:09 we are providing you can certainly look at.
10:44:11 That but notice is provided to the community.
10:44:15 If people have concerns or questions, their best bet would not
10:44:19 be to address City Council after the experts such as police or
10:44:24 fire marshal have already opined upon what the needs are, but
10:44:27 to bring those issues forward in advance.
10:44:32 If the experts in their field such as public safety and a
10:44:35 danger to public safety opine something and then City Council
10:44:40 feels differently, then we have already opened up an argument
10:44:44 that we do provide discretion, because there can be two
10:44:47 separate opinions.
10:44:48 That's why we recommend that we rely upon the experts that are
10:44:51 the reviewing agencies, and for them to rely upon the
10:44:57 knowledge they have in those field to determine whether or not
10:44:59 it meets the very clear and precise requirements that you have
10:45:05 previously set up.
10:45:06 >>LISA MONTELIONE: The temporary wet zonings, a lot of that
10:45:16 with the city moving forward to wet zone the event parks, I
10:45:19 think that's going to help a lot.
10:45:25 I would want to talk more about the noncharitable
10:45:29 organizations, limited per year and the preliminary
10:45:36 suggestions as Councilman Cohen suggested have another time
10:45:39 where we can discuss these in more detail would be helpful.
10:45:49 Number 6, the permit fee.
10:45:57 The fee is based on the number of people attending the event,
10:45:59 and the opinion is that fee should be based on the time of
10:46:01 year and size of the area reserved.
10:46:04 The number of people attending, I think, that speak to the
10:46:09 impact, the numbers of people have on its face.
10:46:13 I'm looking at legal staff.
10:46:17 Because the time of year wouldn't necessarily -- I can see
10:46:22 busier times of year, you can possibly make more money because
10:46:25 there's more people who would come.
10:46:29 The size of the area, could you have five acres and only 50
10:46:32 people, and that area is not going to be impacted as much as
10:46:37 if you have five acres and 5,000 people.
10:46:40 So I would still want to have some -- maybe a sliding scale or
10:46:47 something like that.
10:46:48 But I think -- am I correct, it's the number of people
10:46:52 Is that the basis for what we have now?
10:46:54 >> Maurice Rodriguez from legal department.
10:46:59 You are correct. Traditionally that's how the fee schedule
10:47:02 has been based, on the number of people, and the impact that
10:47:05 number of people would have on the space.
10:47:10 However, one of the issues related to that is trying to
10:47:13 calculate how many people actually attend an event.
10:47:17 For example, our permit requires over 200 or more people.
10:47:21 So if we have 1,000 people show up, we are still going to get
10:47:25 the same fees.
10:47:31 So we are looking at how to tier the system.
10:47:37 >>LISA MONTELIONE: That's something I would be in favor of,
10:47:39 is having some kind of tier system --
10:47:42 >> Yes.
10:47:45 >>LISA MONTELIONE: -- so we are accounting for the number of
10:47:47 people, the timing and size and other factors.
10:47:52 >> Yes, that's exactly what we are looking at now.
10:47:55 >>LISA MONTELIONE: It just seems to me that number 7 may seem
10:47:59 counterintuitive, if we only have a review once a year, and
10:48:03 the committee meets annually, wouldn't that prevent
10:48:08 spontaneous events from being considered for partnership by
10:48:12 the city?
10:48:18 Maybe monthly is too much, but maybe quarterly might work.
10:48:21 Because if there's an event that maybe is happening because
10:48:27 it's timely or because it's trendy or because you have to
10:48:31 seize the moment and capture that moment in time, we only
10:48:37 review annually, it seems we are discouraging that type of
10:48:43 spontaneous activity rather than encouraging it.
10:48:45 >>> And I can't counter that argument.
10:48:53 The intent for both number 6 and number 7 are really to
10:48:58 incentivize events that promote our cultural assets.
10:49:02 And the effect we would hope to achieve is what would the fees
10:49:10 for the minimum appropriate, and number 7, actively -- provide
10:49:15 an active and responsive mechanism to get that co-sponsorship
10:49:19 program on the books.
10:49:20 And the council is open to the -- the committee is open to
10:49:28 your decision on the best way to implement that.
10:49:30 >>LISA MONTELIONE: That's all I had.
10:49:34 Thank you.
10:49:35 >>MARY MULHERN: Councilwoman Capin.
10:49:39 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Thank you for going over all seven of them.
10:49:42 We have the one-stop permit, just to answer your question.
10:49:47 What you may be referring to is what is being brought forth to
10:49:52 us which is streamlining for the RNC, which we recognize, and
10:49:56 was just brought last week, and some of those streamlining for
10:50:03 the RNC may work, and we could look at them and keep them
10:50:10 The centralized build billing, what we notice is that
10:50:14 everything is in the upfront.
10:50:16 The streamlining is all upfront, you know, 60 days, you can
10:50:21 ask for permit RNC maybe four hours before, whatever it is.
10:50:25 What we did notice was that the centralized billing system is
10:50:31 afterwards, and some of these events, nonprofits or whoever it
10:50:36 is, who put the event together, may have closed their books,
10:50:40 and there is no -- they receive a bill 90 days, 120 days
10:50:45 later, from the department.
10:50:49 And so, therefore, one of the things I did talk to when I was
10:50:55 briefed on our $2.7 million system that we are putting in
10:50:59 place for zoning is, in fact, it could implement this.
10:51:06 And they said eventually.
10:51:08 So we are looking down the road.
10:51:10 And you are right as to where we are today.
10:51:15 I spoke with Linda Carlos was at the meeting, the task force
10:51:25 meeting, and one of the things that she said was because,
10:51:29 again, the way the system runs, the law enforcement and fire,
10:51:41 their system only bills the 15th and the 30th.
10:51:46 Therefore, we have this.
10:51:49 So this is a suggestion, we need to work on this and we need
10:51:54 to push that our $2.7 million that we spent for zoning and to
10:51:59 be able to permit for people to build here also included this.
10:52:06 So there's a lot of streamlining in the front part of the
10:52:11 permitting, but nothing on the back part of permitting.
10:52:15 Now, the third one, which is eliminating City Council approval
10:52:18 for certain street closures, again, the main crux of this was
10:52:24 when we found out that, in fact, when it comes to us, we do
10:52:29 not have the authority or the right to deny, because they have
10:52:33 gone through the process -- we can deny it.
10:52:39 We could also be left out because they did exactly what we
10:52:43 asked them to do.
10:52:45 The main part was that it added 30 days to the process.
10:52:49 And if we could find a way to do it, and faster, then that
10:52:55 would be perfect.
10:52:56 And number three is one of the main ones that we thought could
10:53:00 probably be acted on the soonest.
10:53:12 The mayor sign-off that we feel is ministerial, and we have
10:53:16 constant events at certain parks that maybe they should
10:53:19 include -- I know that they are talking about possibly --
10:53:27 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I believe it's an agenda item already,
10:53:29 last week or the week before.
10:53:32 >>YVONNE CAPIN: And they include others, and I do believe -- I
10:53:36 may not have been here that day.
10:53:38 I missed one meeting a week ago.
10:53:42 And the fees again, it is looking.
10:53:46 We looked at the timing here.
10:53:47 For instance, encouraging more events in slower times which
10:53:53 the YCDC does in Ybor, and to look at how do we encourage more
10:54:03 activity on the times of years when it's slower, which is
10:54:07 normally our summer?
10:54:09 And, of course, we have the discretion to look at this and
10:54:18 bring back whatever council feels would work.
10:54:23 And as far as -- number 7, and I floated task force to task
10:54:36 Therefore, I pretty much sat in every task force -- was that,
10:54:43 just to give you an overview, we have events that happen year
10:54:48 after year after year.
10:54:54 And we need to look at those co-sponsorships.
10:54:59 Then what we are trying to do is encourage new events to come
10:55:04 And this is very, like I said, a suggestion and a
10:55:12 recommendation to council, and of course we can, you know,
10:55:18 work on all seven.
10:55:19 >>HARRY COHEN: I just have a question for Councilwoman Capin.
10:55:24 Since you have been the driving force behind this committee,
10:55:29 what would be your preference as to how we bring back these
10:55:34 Would you like us to schedule a workshop?
10:55:36 Would you like to us place them on the calendar for
10:55:40 discussion, at a date certain?
10:55:42 What did you have in mind in terms of making these
10:55:47 >> The workshop would be very advantageous, as you can see,
10:55:52 there's many parts to each one of these.
10:55:56 Number 3, however, is something that I would like to see put
10:55:59 on a time certain that we can discuss and maybe really help
10:56:05 the process in the long run; which is eliminate City Council
10:56:10 approval of certain street closures, or modify it to where it
10:56:15 is less time to the applicant.
10:56:24 >>MARY MULHERN: I haven't spoken yet, so he before we take
10:56:28 any action, I would just like to comment.
10:56:30 I think these permitting recommendations are overall really
10:56:36 great, and I appreciate the work that everyone went through on
10:56:41 And I'm impressed that they have come to us with
10:56:49 recommendations we might be able to actually enact, so that's
10:56:52 I do kind of have some questions.
10:56:54 I think things, my concerns are mostly brought up on number 3,
10:57:03 as far as the street closures, and I just want to say a little
10:57:12 more concern about, this because we are talking about -- we
10:57:14 are actually talking about closing public streets.
10:57:20 And normally, you know, I would assume that your elected
10:57:26 officials would have something to do with that.
10:57:29 Now, I don't agree with -- and I am going to ask Mr. Shelby
10:57:36 about this -- but we have adopted the criteria for when you
10:57:42 can get a permit for temporary street closure.
10:57:45 However, when we approve something, an agenda item, we are
10:57:52 actually, I thought, using our judgment to determine whether
10:57:57 we were going to approve it or not.
10:57:59 So the idea that we are just rubber stamping every time one of
10:58:05 these comes in front of us, yes, normally we do. They are on
10:58:08 the consent agenda.
10:58:09 But they are there on our agenda so that the public has an
10:58:15 opportunity to speak, because the public streets, you are
10:58:21 asking to have the right to close off a public street.
10:58:23 So to me, I think it's a bad idea, and I don't think I would
10:58:30 support that.
10:58:31 However, I think, you know, if we are really down to saying
10:58:37 you only need 30 days to apply for this --
10:58:41 >>YVONNE CAPIN: No.
10:58:41 I'm sorry.
10:58:42 It adds 30 days to the process.
10:58:44 The process can be 60 to 09 days.
10:58:49 One item adds 30 days.
10:58:50 >>MARY MULHERN: This is my feeling about this.
10:58:53 This is something that our administration needs to streamline
10:58:56 the process for the public to be able to do this, to make it
10:59:01 so that it doesn't take -- it shouldn't take that long.
10:59:05 Eliminating the possibility, the transparency and the
10:59:09 possibility for the public to have input, or for their
10:59:12 representative to be able to review this, and make a
10:59:15 determination of whether we should close public streets for a
10:59:18 private, you know, event is not what should be eliminated so
10:59:25 it processes faster.
10:59:27 What we need is efficiency in our departments to make that go
10:59:31 more quickly.
10:59:31 So I think that is unnecessary.
10:59:34 And then I also have a little bit of problem with number 4,
10:59:43 the next one, eliminating mayoral sign-off for temporary wet
10:59:51 Over the last couple of years we have given more and more and
10:59:54 more administrative judgment, power to the administrator to
11:00:03 make all of these sorts of decisions, especially on wet
11:00:07 So when we get to the point where -- and I don't know, I guess
11:00:10 if you are already -- already eliminated the City Council from
11:00:13 that part of the process, then you are going to eliminate the
11:00:16 mayor from the process, too.
11:00:20 It just feels like there's no direct oversight by your elected
11:00:28 So I'm not sure about that.
11:00:31 It might be okay, but I have some questions.
11:00:33 I would like Mr. Shelby to look at it for me.
11:00:36 When we come back.
11:00:38 Other than that, I think all these ideas are great.
11:00:41 Councilman Suarez.
11:00:42 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you, chair.
11:00:44 I have a quick question.
11:00:45 Maybe Rebecca Kert could answer this question.
11:00:50 I think the information that's put in item 3 and 4 shows a
11:00:55 practical, or should say, excuse me, a factual basis of what
11:00:59 actually happens.
11:01:00 I mean, we do essentially just pass these things, usually when
11:01:05 they are on the consent agenda.
11:01:07 There usually is not any discussion as far as I know from the
11:01:10 time that we have been on council together, I don't think we
11:01:12 have even had public comment about issuing a permit for
11:01:18 Now, my question, I guess, is what's the historical basis for
11:01:22 it being the way it is, if it is a ministerial type or
11:01:28 administrative type of process, you know, what's the legal
11:01:34 reasoning behind it, if any?
11:01:36 >>REBECCA KERT: There is no legal reasoning behind it coming
11:01:38 to City Council.
11:01:39 It was merely continuing what has been a long-standing
11:01:43 But I will tell you that -- and I would be more than happy to
11:01:48 do the research, but I am fairly certain based on court cases,
11:01:53 it is unique for them to go to City Council.
11:01:55 At this time entire reason adult uses don't come to you.
11:01:58 A lot of people would like to comment on adult uses, but
11:02:00 because they are first amendment protected activities, you
11:02:03 have to remove the discretion and site your criteria in
11:02:10 And because City Council has the ability to deny these, but it
11:02:15 has to be based upon the criteria. And if there's going to
11:02:18 end up being disagreement based upon the police experts and
11:02:21 the fire experts and what City Council thinks, your decision
11:02:25 is tenuous at best.
11:02:26 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Our decision typically is based on public
11:02:30 safety concerns, as opposed to concerns about the type of
11:02:36 event, for the people putting on the event, or, you know --
11:02:41 and we can talk about lots of different reasons people might
11:02:44 not like a particular event because of the people involved.
11:02:47 But I understand that Constitutional precariousness we have
11:02:53 when it comes to council.
11:02:55 I like all the suggestions on here.
11:02:56 But I do take what Councilwoman Mulhern said.
11:03:00 There may be some streamlining that needs to be done on the
11:03:04 administrative side, too, because I think -- you know, and I
11:03:09 have been involved on the other side, on the private sector
11:03:12 side on permitting -- excuse me, on special events getting the
11:03:18 insurance portion of it.
11:03:19 And typically, it should be a fairly simple process, and it
11:03:23 becomes a much more complicated process when you are dealing
11:03:26 with public entities like cities, because they are checking
11:03:32 off boxes as opposed to just saying, all right, do you have
11:03:36 everything in order?
11:03:37 A lot of times there's a lot of confusion as to what the
11:03:41 certificates of insurance are supposed to say, there's a lot
11:03:43 of confusion as to what they are actually asking for, and I
11:03:47 think that some training might go into this to help us
11:03:52 streamline the process.
11:03:54 I think that there's a lot of things that we can do on the
11:03:56 administrative side.
11:03:58 And again, I agree with you.
11:04:00 I agree, we do these out of a matter of course, we don't
11:04:04 really discuss them, primarily because, you know, most people
11:04:07 understand when we look at those permits, they are either
11:04:11 events we have all gone, to they are events we are going to,
11:04:14 or they are events that, you know, we have no problem with.
11:04:18 And I think that we need to really balance out what we are
11:04:22 trying to do here.
11:04:23 I think that we are doing it.
11:04:26 I really appreciate what the committee -- the council, because
11:04:32 there's mundane things that people don't think about, but they
11:04:35 are so important to make things run smoother that we don't
11:04:39 usually talk about stuff.
11:04:41 Thank you.
11:04:41 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I have a suggestion.
11:04:51 And I understand why, I think, that the permitting process has
11:04:56 been based in the Parks Department, because a lot of these
11:04:59 events take place in a park.
11:05:01 So since the parks are managed by our Parks and Recreation
11:05:05 Department, that's why they have been permitting.
11:05:11 The first stop is the permit application.
11:05:15 Since we have a permitting division who is use to processing
11:05:20 the paperwork, would it be possible for our permitting
11:05:23 division to take over permitting for special events?
11:05:28 Because that's what they do.
11:05:30 And it may be that would simplify some of the processes of
11:05:38 just getting the paperwork accumulated, getting the documents
11:05:42 received, and then disbursed to the parties that need to get
11:05:48 So maybe parks would be one of the reviewing agencies, as the
11:05:54 fire marshal is, and TPD is, and parks would be one of the
11:05:59 reviewing agencies, but they wouldn't be the permitting
11:06:03 division that issues that special event permit.
11:06:07 Just an idea.
11:06:11 One thing I did notice on the one handout that we have that
11:06:16 Mr. Ben son gave us was the City of Tampa cultural assets, the
11:06:20 one that breaks down into the four different categories.
11:06:26 And after looking at this for a little while, since we just
11:06:31 got it, I notice that one of the biggest things we talked
11:06:35 about initially was the cultural character, and part of what
11:06:39 we talked about this morning in the other presentations was
11:06:41 the cultural characteristics and the history of our city.
11:06:49 And what I am looking at doesn't seem to address the rich
11:06:53 diversity of citizens that we have here.
11:07:00 The ethnic communities of our Asian population of our middle
11:07:04 eastern population, of our south Asian population, there are
11:07:11 very large festivals that are held for those specific
11:07:16 ethnicities, and not just theirs but others, that aren't
11:07:22 accounted for here anywhere.
11:07:24 So where we talk about initially the first workshop, we talked
11:07:28 about the diversity in language and how a lot of people who
11:07:33 are coming here and talking about as an economic engine,
11:07:36 people who are coming here as visiting professors, people who
11:07:40 come here visiting researchers, or physicians, or technology
11:07:47 and folks who are working in the field of intelligent
11:07:51 transportation or whatever the field may be, they are coming
11:07:54 here from other places, they want to know that there is a
11:07:58 family here that they can fit into.
11:08:04 And I don't want to lose that in the aspect of the committee.
11:08:12 I feel that really needs to be part, a big part of this
11:08:19 And having not just the festivals, but identifying those
11:08:27 elements that would make someone coming here feel that they
11:08:33 were welcomed as well as anybody else who lives here already.
11:08:38 So I want to make sure that that cultural aspect of ethnic
11:08:42 diversity, language of all of those characteristics, from that
11:08:49 standpoint isn't lost.
11:08:50 >>HARRY COHEN: Briefly, I wanted to return to the item number
11:08:55 3 for a second, because this has been very informative today,
11:08:58 and based on what Ms. Kert said earlier, it seems to me that
11:09:04 we can consider moving ahead with something that will
11:09:08 streamline and short ten process.
11:09:10 It may be that the place that we ought to look if we want to
11:09:13 evaluate is what the criteria are to begin with, that we are
11:09:20 using to allow something to be approved or not.
11:09:24 So perhaps when we come back to this item, at some point we'll
11:09:28 move in that direction as well.
11:09:29 Thank you.
11:09:35 >> (off microphone) it is not up to our discretion because of
11:09:43 the first right of amendment to free speech.
11:09:45 And we set up a criteria.
11:09:47 And you are right.
11:09:48 If we want to look at the criteria, but this part of it has
11:09:52 nothing to do with the criteria, we may want to look at I
11:09:56 think an option of moving it from consent agenda to staff
11:10:00 report where we still hear it and it's still there might be a
11:10:03 way of doing that and eliminating the time.
11:10:06 But I do agree that we can actually look at the process that
11:10:11 we put in place.
11:10:12 And as far as what was given on the cultural asset theme and
11:10:19 it says very clearly that these are examples.
11:10:22 If you will recall, on September 15th, for the cultural
11:10:26 assets and economic engine, there were 28 presenters and one
11:10:31 of them was on language.
11:10:32 When I speak of cultural assets, we speak in terms, and
11:10:40 foreign language is very much part of it.
11:10:43 And what we had, we had the representative from the
11:10:45 Hillsborough County schools talking, telling us the different
11:10:50 foreign languages that are taught in our schools, because we
11:10:53 are looking at economics.
11:10:56 And what we have found out is that when companies, foreign
11:11:02 companies are looking in our area to move here, they have a
11:11:05 list of criteria that they are looking for.
11:11:08 And many times on that list is what foreign languages do you
11:11:13 teach in your public schools?
11:11:16 They want to come into an area.
11:11:18 They want to know what we value.
11:11:20 Therefore, it is very well taken, and it is a very important.
11:11:24 But this is an example, and when we say this is six months, it
11:11:29 is truly not.
11:11:30 This committee was approved in October, which was six months
11:11:34 would have been September.
11:11:35 It was approved in October.
11:11:36 Our first meeting was in November.
11:11:38 Very close to Thanksgiving.
11:11:40 Our second meeting brought us into the holiday.
11:11:43 Everyone here worked very, very hard, the last three and a
11:11:50 half months, to bring this forward.
11:11:52 So it was not really a six-month process.
11:11:56 Our next one will be a six-month process.
11:11:59 So I want to keep in mind number three, that if we want to
11:12:03 still have a report on it, maybe think about moving it to a
11:12:08 staff report and eliminating the 30 days.
11:12:12 And we still have it on our agenda.
11:12:15 So that might be an option.
11:12:17 But I would like to look at this one particular one and look
11:12:21 at the process, and understand why -- again, Rebecca, it is a
11:12:29 first amendment right and that's what we are looking at.
11:12:32 So if someone would like to make a motion to bring forth
11:12:40 consideration for City Council on approval of street closures,
11:12:49 and the dates we can look at.
11:12:53 Is anyone looking at the calendar?
11:12:55 >> How about April 19th?
11:13:00 >>YVONNE CAPIN: That would be perfect.
11:13:01 April 19th.
11:13:04 >>HARRY COHEN: Second.
11:13:08 Or so moved.
11:13:10 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Yes, I asked would you move it.
11:13:13 Staff report.
11:13:14 >>MARY MULHERN: Motion made by Councilwoman Capin -- or
11:13:18 Councilwoman Cohen, seconded by --
11:13:23 >> I'll second it.
11:13:24 >>MARY MULHERN: All in favor?
11:13:25 Anyone opposed?
11:13:29 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Thank you.
11:13:30 >>MARY MULHERN: And Councilwoman Capin, we have a few other
11:13:36 items here.
11:13:37 >>YVONNE CAPIN: We have the pièce de résistance come, or I
11:13:43 should say in the Spanish.
11:13:44 >> Would you like me to help bring to the closure?
11:13:54 I very much appreciate the discussion and the input.
11:13:59 To close out our discussion on the permitting issue, at the
11:14:03 end of the day what we are asking is for City Council to
11:14:06 really encourage the kind of activity that we are highlighting
11:14:09 here, make it a friendly place to come, to put to help promote
11:14:14 our cultural assets. If that is achieved we are very
11:14:18 Incentivize that and encourage it.
11:14:21 On the funding task force, Mr. Keeble gave you a break down of
11:14:26 our observation there is.
11:14:29 In the interest of closing that discussion, not many specific
11:14:33 recommendations are requested there, other than an
11:14:37 appreciation that it does take an investment to really get
11:14:42 traction on a program to promote your cultural assets.
11:14:45 Other cities have done so.
11:14:46 It's been successful and rewarded those cities in additional
11:14:52 economic benefit.
11:14:53 So we would ask you to keep your eye on that ball, to grant
11:14:57 discussion with our previous presentation is wonderful.
11:15:01 The suggestion that was grouped in a bunch of other
11:15:05 opportunities, you have something new coming on the books like
11:15:08 Internet cafes, and there could be an opportunity to designate
11:15:12 funding toward this type of cultural activity, and I encourage
11:15:16 to you look at that seriously.
11:15:19 The cultural assets discussion-oh thank you very much -- the
11:15:23 comment on making sure you don't underappreciate the cultural
11:15:27 mixture we have, the paella that really does represent Tampa,
11:15:32 makes us unique, absolutely.
11:15:35 We will go back into our discussion.
11:15:36 You see things like university system, the museum, the Ybor
11:15:41 City as a whole, La Gaceta, ethnic restaurants.
11:15:46 Those are pretty tangible things that represent culture, but
11:15:48 maybe there's other things that are in that group that we need
11:15:52 to highlight.
11:15:54 The marketing, again, have to have recommendations how to
11:16:00 spend it.
11:16:00 To market you have to have recommendations what to market.
11:16:03 But closely tied to marketing is branding.
11:16:05 And that leads us to a specific request to council to look at
11:16:10 the draft proposal that is designating and authenticating a
11:16:18 historic Tampa Cuban sandwich for Tampa.
11:16:23 What this does is it gives a signature of bona fide to lay
11:16:30 claim, and when you are going be host to people from many
11:16:33 different nations, we will be asked what makes you separate
11:16:36 and distinct?
11:16:38 So that is the basis for this draft resolution.
11:16:40 >>HARRY COHEN: I would just like to say that I know, speaking
11:16:45 for myself, I would have really appreciated a sample --
11:16:51 [ Laughter ]
11:16:51 -- in order to make this important decision.
11:16:53 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you, chair.
11:17:00 First of all, before we go on to the Cuban sandwich -- and I
11:17:03 have to say, unfortunately, the best Cuban sandwich I had I am
11:17:07 never going to have again because my grandmother used to make
11:17:10 them and they were absolutely delicious.
11:17:12 But I like -- now I am a Cuban sandwich, I feel sometimes,
11:17:19 because I am in so many ways, which is half Sicilian and half
11:17:27 Cubans in terms of a living example of that.
11:17:31 I will say that this is a great idea, and I just want to ask
11:17:34 one question, and I want to ask Dave, and maybe Councilwoman
11:17:39 Capin can answer.
11:17:40 Was there any discussion at all about some of the things that
11:17:44 are done in other cities where we have a cultural icon, like
11:17:47 in Washington, D.C. they had the pandas at the zoo and they
11:17:49 had all over the city kind of a little statute and they paint
11:17:53 them and do other things, and other cities that do that, too.
11:17:55 In New Orleans they have the streetcar and they have them
11:17:57 spread throughout the city.
11:17:58 And a particular group gets it and they paint them and do all
11:18:02 kind of things.
11:18:02 Was that ever discussed in terms of doing that with the city?
11:18:07 >> Absolutely.
11:18:08 At this stage, though, we kind of put that into the next
11:18:11 When we come back to you, hopefully we'll have some, hey, it's
11:18:16 exciting initiative to lay on the table, to say, hey, what
11:18:19 about this?
11:18:20 Or did you think about that?
11:18:28 He has a Cuban sandwich shop.
11:18:32 All of the things that we have been talking about. It's
11:18:35 fashion, it's film, it's dance, it's music, it's literature.
11:18:39 Ironically, the only thing the Cuban sandwich has is a huge
11:18:43 Cuban sandwich where you do celebrate a historic Cuban
11:18:54 So what our task forces endeavor to do for you at this point
11:18:59 was propose, hey, let just document on a historical basis.
11:19:02 This doesn't say this is the best-tasting Cuban sandwich or
11:19:05 the most popular or the one that we want to promote.
11:19:09 Watt says is, according to those, we consulted, if you go back
11:19:13 into where that sandwich came from, yes, it did originate in
11:19:17 Tampa, and this was how it was prepared.
11:19:19 So this is the historic basis.
11:19:24 If we build one like that you can use it for marketing.
11:19:28 If you don't, then you just say, hey, this is my Cuban
11:19:32 But it accents our food, accents our culture and our history.
11:19:38 So it also is kind of in the center of circles on the cult
11:19:44 cultural assets.
11:19:50 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Thank you for that.
11:19:51 I would like to -- this part, I did not attend any of these
11:19:59 And I know they had some tastings, but they had several, David
11:20:08 Audette chaired.
11:20:10 As you know, our committee is made up of 50 members of which
11:20:16 we have 14 now.
11:20:19 We also had determined that our fact finding task force did
11:20:23 not have to be committee members, but people that were
11:20:27 knowledgeable, that could reach out to the restaurants.
11:20:33 For instance, in this case, the restaurant history, professors
11:20:40 and such.
11:20:41 And one of the things that I am going to point out, and then
11:20:43 ask David to come up, full, the chair of the Cuban sandwich,
11:20:47 was that if you read the background -- and this is oral
11:20:51 And oral history is always probably this happens this way,
11:20:56 because if you don't have it written, it can be -- it can be,
11:21:02 I think -- how is it?
11:21:08 It's not a total without doubt.
11:21:12 It is probable without doubt.
11:21:16 So one of the things that they found that I thought was really
11:21:18 interesting, I am going to point out, the immigrant community,
11:21:27 Cuban, German, Italian, Spanish, quickly evolved, and it was
11:21:32 known as a Cuban sandwich.
11:21:33 And I want you to point out that in our forum magazine, he
11:21:41 wrote an article here, and in it his first paragraph mention
11:21:45 it is Cuban sandwich.
11:21:48 This is how important it is that in the magazine that it's
11:21:55 distributed all over the State of Florida.
11:21:57 This is how we identified it in the first paragraph.
11:22:01 As far as our food.
11:22:05 And the sandwich was christened, the Cuban sandwich, because
11:22:09 the primary consumers were cigar makers.
11:22:12 Nearly all of them Cuban, who purchased the sandwich to eat at
11:22:15 a later time during their work break.
11:22:19 Thus the sandwich was named not for the island of cube but
11:22:23 rather in recognition of the Cuban cigar workers who made
11:22:25 Tampa their home.
11:22:26 And if you know anything about Ybor and Tampa, the
11:22:30 colloquialism is the sandwich, the Cuban sandwich, and that's
11:22:35 how this name came about.
11:22:38 The ingredients that was investigated on here from the task
11:22:44 force, and then -- vice chairman, if David can come up and
11:22:55 talk a little bit.
11:22:57 >>> Good morning, council.
11:23:00 You had a question?
11:23:04 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I wanted you to tell us a little bit about the
11:23:06 process, what tack place in order to come to this.
11:23:12 >>> Well, it's basically talking to a lot of people.
11:23:17 I have eaten Cuban sandwiches since 1970 when I first came to
11:23:22 So I have put in 42 years of research on that.
11:23:26 And it has evolved even over that short period of time, but
11:23:31 mainly I talked to the people that were the originators -- the
11:23:37 original families, at least the descendants, which would be
11:23:41 the Gonzmarts, Richios and everybody else from all areas
11:23:50 around here, Lutz, Plant City.
11:23:51 This sandwich was very influential to everybody that came to
11:23:54 Ybor City or to Tampa, in the early days of our city, now,
11:23:58 starting in 1986 when Ybor City was founded, and got a lot of
11:24:07 And we distilled it down to what you see here, that's written
11:24:10 on this page.
11:24:12 And this was the consensus of the agreement, that these were
11:24:17 the essential items.
11:24:20 Then the one thing I would like to bring up, if I could, just
11:24:27 through a couple more discussions, the main one is that the
11:24:34 fact that electricity was an early invention when the sandwich
11:24:38 was being created, we had a lot of people opinionated about
11:24:42 whether it's -- we had written here that it should not be,
11:24:49 because originally the -- we think I not for us.
11:24:57 We are going to have a resolution that we should not worry
11:24:59 about that kind of thing.
11:25:01 I personally feel -- and I think a lot of people feel that a
11:25:04 sandwich pressed, heated, is the better Cuban sandwich.
11:25:08 But that's not the argument.
11:25:10 If we had somebody in Tampa or anywhere say it's Tampa's
11:25:15 historic Cuban sandwich and it has to have these ingredients,
11:25:19 and I think everybody that is on this committee with me, Tampa
11:25:23 people I spoke with, Cuban bread is absolutely essential.
11:25:28 I have been to Cuba.
11:25:29 I have been to Miami.
11:25:30 And doesn't serve a good Cuban sandwich.
11:25:37 But that's neither here nor there.
11:25:40 >>HARRY COHEN: I just wanted to say that reading the historic
11:25:44 documentation on how you came up with what does and does not
11:25:48 belong on the sandwich, I did think it was very interesting as
11:25:52 to why mayonnaise did not belong on the sandwich, and that was
11:25:55 because it would spoil.
11:25:57 And it says here that the sandwich was designed specifically
11:26:01 to be sold so that it could be eaten later.
11:26:04 >> That's exactly the kind of arguments we had over and over.
11:26:09 And I believe that mayo is not something that goes on a Cuban
11:26:18 >>YVONNE CAPIN: The resolution is before you.
11:26:19 It's a draft of a resolution.
11:26:20 And on the second page -- and I do believe it was an oversight
11:26:28 of the committee, and in order for the sandwich to carry the
11:26:31 label historic Cuban sandwich, no other ingredients may be
11:26:36 added to the sandwich.
11:26:37 The sandwich may not be heat order pressed.
11:26:40 That part is getting into micromanaging people.
11:26:45 If I walk into a restaurant and I say -- basically it's
11:26:49 stating, this is historically founded in Tampa.
11:26:52 How you want to eat it is up to you.
11:26:56 So that sentence we would strike from the resolution.
11:27:02 So therefore it's going to come back to us for approval with
11:27:07 the changes.
11:27:08 Is that right, David?
11:27:09 I think that's what you brought up to us.
11:27:12 >> Remember the way we discussed on the committee is hopefully
11:27:19 businesses that serve the sandwich or want to serve the
11:27:21 sandwich would have a certificate from the council, perhaps in
11:27:25 the window or on their wall, and on the menu they would be
11:27:28 able to say, you know, this is Tampa's historic sandwich.
11:27:32 I think that's what we are saying.
11:27:36 I not tongue in cheek whatsoever.
11:27:40 It is representative of my city, I think, at least as a
11:27:43 It talks about the history of our culture and it just a
11:27:46 perfect symbol.
11:27:48 I think that's why we have been doing the Cuban sandwich show
11:27:51 for 20 years which is a cultural show, slightly tongue in
11:27:56 cheek, but all the layers of poetry, arts, et cetera, was
11:28:01 And again that show is about Tampa.
11:28:05 Irregardless of the genre or the type of art it is, it has to
11:28:12 be the subject of Tampa.
11:28:14 As far as not having a Cuban sandwich tasting, it's a
11:28:19 political thing.
11:28:20 [ Laughter ]
11:28:23 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Thank you.
11:28:24 So, therefore, that would be -- this resolution is presented,
11:28:29 and it should be voted on as maybe our next meeting, because
11:28:40 that should be struck.
11:28:42 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I apologized, but I have not had an
11:28:47 opportunity to review that resolution and it requires my
11:28:49 signature on it.
11:28:50 And I would appreciate, fits going to be on the next meeting,
11:28:54 it should be on the doc agenda.
11:28:56 It has to be on the 15th so county go through the process.
11:29:02 >>YVONNE CAPIN: That would be perfect, the 15th, and it
11:29:04 gives time to look it over and make that adjustment to strike
11:29:08 Otherwise, one of the things I want to say -- and I'm going to
11:29:11 refer to Councilman Suarez, because I was absent at last
11:29:16 week's meeting, but I did watch it.
11:29:18 And one of the things he said was when Donna came up to the
11:29:25 podium and referred to Tampa as the paella, and Councilman
11:29:30 Suarez say I think it's more like a Cuban sandwich.
11:29:34 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I ways going to second your motion to place it
11:29:37 on the agenda for the 15th.
11:29:39 >>MARY MULHERN: Motion made by -- 19th.
11:29:45 >>MARY MULHERN: Made by Capin, second bid Suarez.
11:29:53 All in favor?
11:29:54 Anyone opposed?
11:29:56 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Thank you.
11:29:57 I need to amend my last motion on item 3 for the cultural
11:30:04 permitting to give better direction to staff on what we are
11:30:07 looking for.
11:30:09 What I am proposing is that the procedures that are in place
11:30:15 to be looked at, and for them to come back to us with
11:30:20 recommendations to those procedures.
11:30:23 Along with the procedures.
11:30:24 >>MARTIN SHELBY: May I ask for clarification?
11:30:31 Is that with regards to removing the need to come before City
11:30:43 And the other is the basis for the administrative decision.
11:30:46 If I understood your discussion, that was my sense, but you I
11:30:51 don't want to put words in your mouth.
11:30:52 So whatever council's direction is.
11:30:54 I would ask if you put it on for staff reports that you give
11:30:57 direction to staff so they are able to act upon what council's
11:31:00 intent is.
11:31:08 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I do believe we want to look at the processes
11:31:10 and place and to come back with recommendations in order to
11:31:13 streamline that process, and along that line to discuss either
11:31:21 the elimination or moving it to another part of our agenda.
11:31:26 >>HARRY COHEN: I think we also wanted, though, to talk about
11:31:35 the criteria to make the organization determination.
11:31:40 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Right.
11:31:41 Criteria and recommendations on that criteria. Thank you for
11:31:44 bringing that.
11:31:44 >>MARY MULHERN: Motion by Councilwoman Capin, seconded by
11:31:49 Councilman Cohen.
11:31:50 All in favor?
11:31:51 Anyone opposed?
11:31:52 All right.
11:31:55 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Need to make one more motion pertaining to
11:31:58 And I do believe this is the correct time, I made a motion on
11:32:07 March 8th on Internet streetscape cafe for our legal staff
11:32:18 to look into that regulating, and possibly looking at revenue
11:32:26 stream for the City of Tampa.
11:32:28 And how that would work.
11:32:32 That is one of the things that we looked at in this committee,
11:32:37 and had a meeting about, and I would like to ask that when
11:32:45 that report comes back April 5th on the Internet cafes,
11:32:52 that they bring forth what possible revenue streams,
11:32:57 regulations, because right now we have none.
11:33:00 I would also like to look at possible moratoriums on these
11:33:06 until we are able to structure the regulation, and/or
11:33:14 contracts, so that we may look at if there is a revenue stream
11:33:19 that is to be committed to the arts.
11:33:28 And that's my amended motion for Internet cafes.
11:33:34 And the reason is because of the funding.
11:33:36 It came up in the funding on here.
11:33:37 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I'll second.
11:33:43 And if I could, chair, the Internet cafe, I think we were also
11:33:47 looking to see if --
11:33:50 >>YVONNE CAPIN: The reason that they asked me to, I brought to
11:33:52 the April 5th so that was after the legislative session
11:33:59 ended, and they did not act on it, this is the second year,
11:34:03 and they are basically leaving it up to the municipalities.
11:34:06 And I have investigated some municipalities just to give an
11:34:12 Hialeah gardens, Hialeah has mom and pop operations.
11:34:16 They have put a moratorium on permits.
11:34:22 It's somewhere in the vicinity of $2 million.
11:34:25 So it is a very important issue that we need to be ahead of.
11:34:31 >>MARY MULHERN: Motion made by Councilwoman Capin, seconded
11:34:36 by Councilman Suarez.
11:34:37 All in favor?
11:34:39 Anyone opposed?
11:34:42 >>YVONNE CAPIN: One more thing.
11:34:43 Almost done.
11:34:44 On the Cuban sandwich resolution, I would like to
11:34:47 investigate -- and I don't know if we have any either
11:34:55 certification to go with that, so that the restaurants can
11:34:57 have that, and the City Council can provide, that, yes, we do
11:35:04 indeed proclaim this the historic Tampa cube 'n an sandwich
11:35:09 and that they are serving it, or -- I have my notes here --
11:35:21 trademarking it.
11:35:23 And I don't know if the City of Tampa has any trademarks.
11:35:26 Those are two things I would like for legal -- for us to look
11:35:30 at for April 15th.
11:35:31 >> Second.
11:35:36 >>YVONNE CAPIN: April 19th.
11:35:36 >>MARY MULHERN: Motion made by Councilwoman Capin, seconded
11:35:40 by Councilman Suarez.
11:35:41 All in favor?
11:35:42 Anyone opposed?
11:35:46 >>YVONNE CAPIN: And I am going to make one more.
11:35:51 We have a 15-member committee, and we have one at-large seat,
11:35:57 and I would like to ask the council to approve Mr. Emanuel
11:36:04 Lato, the director of marketing of the Tampa Bay history
11:36:07 center, to be approved to be the 15th vendor.
11:36:12 >>HARRY COHEN: So moved.
11:36:18 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Second.
11:36:19 >>MARY MULHERN: All in favor?
11:36:22 Anyone opposed?
11:36:25 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Thank you.
11:36:26 >>> If I may very short closing remarks, thank you for your
11:36:32 Thank you for chartering this advisory committee to talk about
11:36:37 cultural assets.
11:36:38 As I mentioned, the newspaper article recently, Tampa is on a
11:36:47 tipping point, and we are beginning in places like New York
11:36:50 City and Chicago and Philadelphia, and Miami and those place
11:36:54 that are already branded, trademarked, and realize economic
11:36:59 benefit from their cultural assets.
11:37:02 Independently, I know Montega has been addressing cultural
11:37:10 tourism, and we have asked him to share his views of the
11:37:12 economic impact of tourism for Tampa.
11:37:16 Florida is a tourist-driven economy, and if you look at where
11:37:21 Tampa is going for service development and economic
11:37:24 development, having the kind of people that enjoy the things
11:37:27 we are talking about today, living in Tampa is a tremendous
11:37:31 human capital resource that will pay great different tend.
11:37:36 Thank you.
11:37:37 Lie forward to seeing you again.
11:37:41 >>YVONNE CAPIN: And I want to thank everyone on the committee
11:37:43 for their hard work and very valuable time and for being here
11:37:45 today to present our results.
11:37:48 And I want to congratulate Mr. Lato and thank him for coming
11:37:55 on board to our committee.
11:37:56 Thank you, Mr. Scott, for all your time.
11:37:59 >>> My pleasure.
11:38:02 Thank you.
11:38:02 >>MARY MULHERN: Item number 6 is continued already.
11:38:17 Do I have a motion to continue item number 6?
11:38:20 >>HARRY COHEN: So moved.
11:38:22 Do we have a date certain we want to continue it to?
11:38:24 >>LISA MONTELIONE: We don't.
11:38:36 And I think I have an explanation.
11:38:38 >>HARRY COHEN: I think it would have to the 26th of April
11:38:41 because that's our next workshop.
11:38:44 >>CATHERINE COYLE: Planning division.
11:38:47 The purpose of really continuing it is, as you notice in the
11:38:50 memo, is that it's representing that the sidewalks changes and
11:38:55 any language that will come forward to deal with those are
11:38:57 part of the recommendations that we will be dealing with in
11:39:00 the July cycle.
11:39:01 So in theory, we could remove it from the agenda because there
11:39:05 will be a series of workshops that we will be scheduling as
11:39:07 part of that agenda, or I would say if you are going to
11:39:11 schedule it, it would be after July.
11:39:15 >>HARRY COHEN: Amend the motion to remove it from today's
11:39:18 >>CATHERINE COYLE: Thank you.
11:39:21 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Second.
11:39:22 >>MARY MULHERN: Motion by Councilman Cohen, seconded by
11:39:28 Councilman Montelione.
11:39:31 All in favor?
11:39:34 Council, item number 7, if I may.
11:39:43 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Item number 7 is going to be lengthy and I
11:39:49 was going to motion that we break for lunch now and come back
11:39:52 in an hour.
11:39:53 >>MARY MULHERN: Councilman Reddick made the motion.
11:39:58 Is he here?
11:40:04 If he's here, I would like to hear from him.
11:40:11 >>LISA MONTELIONE: And although made the motion I expanded
11:40:16 >>MARY MULHERN: No, I just wanted to hear from him about
11:40:20 So what is your recommendation, to go to break now and come
11:40:28 Let's hear from people who have been waiting to speak on this
11:40:31 all morning.
11:40:32 And if I could --
11:40:36 >>CATHERINE COYLE: Planning division.
11:40:37 The only thing I would say we are all here, prepared, and many
11:40:40 of us come from elsewhere.
11:40:42 We are in a longer located in downtown and we all have a
11:40:44 series of meetings this afternoon on our calendars and outside
11:40:48 That's the only thing.
11:40:50 >>MARY MULHERN: This should be very lengthy.
11:41:06 And this is going to take probably at least an hour.
11:41:11 So I don't know, we could have -- I think it would be better
11:41:17 if we had a motion to maybe just work through lunch.
11:41:23 All these people are here and have been waiting all morning.
11:41:26 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Okay.
11:41:27 >> Fine with me.
11:41:31 >> There he is.
11:41:35 >>HARRY COHEN: I move we work through the 12:00 lunch hour
11:41:42 and extend to 12:45 and we can readdress it then.
11:41:46 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Second.
11:41:47 >>MARY MULHERN: All in favor?
11:41:49 Anyone opposed?
11:41:56 Mr. Slater?
11:41:57 >> Jake Slater, director of neighborhood services.
11:42:03 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Are we supposed to take public comment on the
11:42:08 previous workshops first before we proceed?
11:42:12 I was just looking at the agenda.
11:42:13 I want to make sure we are following procedure.
11:42:15 >>MARTIN SHELBY: That would be appropriate if you wish.
11:42:22 >>MARY MULHERN: Public comment on the --
11:42:27 >>MIKE SUAREZ: On the previous workshops.
11:42:28 >>MARY MULHERN: One previous workshop.
11:42:31 Is there anyone to speak on the previous workshop on cultural
11:42:39 Seeing none.
11:42:41 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you, chair.
11:42:44 >>> Good morning.
11:42:47 Jake Slater, department of neighborhood services, code
11:42:51 enforcement division.
11:42:53 Glad to be here this morning with you folks.
11:42:56 Wanted to frame this workshop based upon Councilman Reddick's
11:43:02 motion back in December to provide an overview of the Code
11:43:05 Enforcement Board processes that we utilize on a regular basis
11:43:10 with regard to the civil citation process, Code Enforcement
11:43:13 Board has to process and then criminal court.
11:43:17 And to give council a little bit of an update about how many
11:43:26 cases we have been working on and comparison about the cost
11:43:29 So if I could have the PowerPoint, please.
11:43:43 The Code Enforcement Board operates under Florida State
11:43:46 statute number 162, and also 166.
11:43:53 It provides us the power to enforce the code enforcement
11:44:03 It provides us the authority for the inspectors to ensure the
11:44:08 compliance by using civil citations.
11:44:11 The Code Enforcement Board -- the department, excuse me --
11:44:16 enforces three main ordinances under city code.
11:44:19 Chapter 19, property maintenance, chapter 20.5, signs, and
11:44:24 chapter 27, zoning.
11:44:27 Under the Code Enforcement Board, we have special magistrates.
11:44:33 We currently have six special magistrates.
11:44:36 We have the three chapter 19 maintenance cases, one magistrate
11:44:42 handling zoning cases, we have one handling signs, one
11:44:45 handling chapter 13 tree cases, and our special magistrate
11:44:51 dedicated to chapter 5, building cases.
11:45:08 The civil citation, the ordinance was enacted in March of '08,
11:45:12 and circumstances where the Code Enforcement Board nor the
11:45:16 county criminal courts assistance were effective means.
11:45:22 In the civil citation process, we utilize that exclusively for
11:45:27 the three main code enforcement violations.
11:45:30 Overgrowth conditions, trash accumulations, and inoperative
11:45:37 type of vehicles.
11:45:42 Under chapter 166, we also have the ability to issue orders,
11:45:47 and that's where we came to council with awhile ago, and those
11:45:52 orders allow us to recoup the money that we spend on hard cost
11:45:58 liens such as mowing, bedding, and also demolitions.
11:46:08 Under the civil citation again, the three main ones we use are
11:46:14 overgrowth, trash accumulations, and inoperative type of
11:46:22 On the Code Enforcement Board, what we utilize those are for
11:46:25 the cases that take more time.
11:46:27 Zoning cases.
11:46:28 They just have the structural cases.
11:46:31 Tree cases.
11:46:32 The ones that are really more overall complicated.
11:46:45 Let me go to the next slide here.
11:46:48 These are some stats we put together since '05, 6, 7, 8, 10
11:46:58 and 116789 you can see when the civil citation process started
11:47:01 in '08, it took us about almost a year to address and get it
11:47:06 up and running.
11:47:08 We had a bunch of administrative issues which we had to
11:47:11 But since that time, the cases going to the Code Enforcement
11:47:14 Board have been reduced, and the cases going to actually
11:47:21 Hillsborough County civil court have been increased.
11:47:26 One of the biggest advantages is that the time factor.
11:47:30 When we use a civil citation process, in order to take the
11:47:35 case to the full court, it takes about 60 to 75 days. If we
11:47:41 use the Code Enforcement Board process, it takes seven to nine
11:47:48 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Say those numbers again, Jake?
11:47:53 >> When we use the Hillsborough County civil citation process,
11:47:56 it takes about 60 to 75 days from the initial warning to the
11:48:04 inspection about when the civil citation is actually written
11:48:09 to when it goes to court.
11:48:12 And also, very important that any cost factor on that is about
11:48:19 In comparison to the Code Enforcement Board process, it takes
11:48:25 between seven and nine months, and the cost factor is about
11:48:33 So the civil citation process has worked out great for us.
11:48:41 Also, the use of the foreclosure registry enacted back in
11:48:47 2010, we currently have about 2600 properties registered in
11:48:56 the city, and that number actually fluctuates every day.
11:49:02 The overall revenues that we have for our 2010 was 242,000.
11:49:09 2011 was about $337,000.
11:49:13 So it paid for itself.
11:49:14 >>HARRY COHEN: Councilwoman Montelione.
11:49:19 >>LISA MONTELIONE: (off microphone) civil citations column,
11:49:27 5,598 warnings and 615 citations in 2011?
11:49:33 >> Yes.
11:49:34 >>LISA MONTELIONE: We have that high a rate of compliance?
11:49:38 >> Yes.
11:49:39 About 85%.
11:49:42 When we issue the initial warning, that when we have to issue
11:49:48 the actual citation, it averages about 85 to 88% compliance
11:50:00 We have been very, very happy with that.
11:50:02 Very, very pleased.
11:50:03 In fact, we have had a lot of other jurisdictions come and ask
11:50:06 us how it's working.
11:50:08 And we have actually helped to implement that.
11:50:18 I wanted to bring this up to council's attention.
11:50:20 This is another overall program, which we have implemented
11:50:24 through the mayor's office, operation W.I.N. in working in
11:50:32 We have utilized community service workers.
11:50:34 We have a great partnership working with Hillsborough County
11:50:36 sheriff's office, and the Salvation Army.
11:50:39 And this is a win-win program.
11:50:41 It doesn't cost the taxpayers anything at all.
11:50:43 And it's helped out in the neighborhoods tremendously.
11:50:47 And we thank you for coming out and helping us.
11:50:49 >>LISA MONTELIONE: That was fun.
11:50:53 >> Once a month.
11:50:58 One of the other things that we do on a daily basis impound
11:51:03 illegal snipe signs on rights-of-way.
11:51:06 It takes a lot of time, a lot of effort.
11:51:10 These are numbers for the past two years.
11:51:12 Code enforcement also clean city, and you can see the numbers
11:51:20 speak for themselves.
11:51:21 Over 24,000 snipe signs.
11:51:26 It's a blight in the neighborhood.
11:51:32 We will have further discussion about enforcement efforts.
11:51:35 But we do have a lot of time invested in this.
11:51:41 And it does take a lot of overall efforts.
11:51:49 And just as soon as we go out and pick them up, they end up
11:51:53 back out there again.
11:51:54 Especially on Fridays and Saturdays and Sundays.
11:52:07 There's one gentleman south of Gandy that picked up in excess
11:52:09 of 3,000 signs in the last year.
11:52:17 But overall, I think with the recent reorganization, with code
11:52:23 enforcement working with clean-up, actually cities, that's
11:52:26 going to help us out tremendously.
11:52:28 We had operation win in Hyde Park this last week, and also VM
11:52:38 Ybor, and with their overall resources, it has been a great,
11:52:41 great asset to us on that.
11:52:47 I want to give an overview of the cost factor involved also.
11:52:51 >>HARRY COHEN: Are there any questions from council members?
11:52:56 Councilman Reddick.
11:52:57 >>FRANK REDDICK: Thank you, chair.
11:53:00 I understand there's severe problems with the snipe signs.
11:53:09 I see them all over my district.
11:53:11 And I get a lot of complaints from them.
11:53:22 If anything can be done that we can do to strengthen the
11:53:33 ordinance to make it more enforceable as well as -- to make it
11:53:40 more threatening to those who are putting them out there?
11:53:43 >> We have been meeting, Councilman Reddick, code enforcement,
11:53:48 legal department, land, but as a code enforcement director, I
11:54:03 would sure welcome anything that would help us, and I know on
11:54:09 any of these subjects, we do have some language on the books
11:54:12 now that we haven't been able to use because of the legality
11:54:16 But I think I would rather defer to the legal department.
11:54:19 >>FRANK REDDICK: And let me raise that question with legal.
11:54:25 If legal will come up.
11:54:28 >> It's not an easy fix.
11:54:30 >> ERNEST MUELLER: Assistant City Attorney. We have been
11:54:30 trying to look at enforcement of snipe signs. That also
11:54:30 includes garage sale signs, lost pet signs, campaign signs.
11:54:30 There's a lot of things that have to be enforced equally. We
11:54:30 are trying to come up with an enforcement process that treats
11:54:30 them equally.
11:55:28 Code enforcement, trying to come up with enforcement that will
11:55:33 work that isn't just going to fall back on code enforcement
11:55:36 and clean cities just picking them up.
11:55:38 We want to see if we can find a way to motivate people to not
11:55:42 put them down, that it's not going to be worth it by you using
11:55:45 civil citation process, being able to fine them for each sign
11:55:49 that we find, but sometimes there's no real identification as
11:55:56 to who this person is, and we are having code enforcement is
11:56:00 going to start looking at what it's going take to try to
11:56:03 investigate those types of snipe signs that only have a phone
11:56:06 number and a service but no name to see if we can find this
11:56:09 person to be able to do some sort of citation enforcement on.
11:56:13 But there's been an investigation going on, and this is going
11:56:16 to take some work.
11:56:17 >>FRANK REDDICK: I think most of those snipe signs, as soon
11:56:23 as you take them up they can be back out there.
11:56:26 And I think they are put down at night.
11:56:31 And mostly weekends.
11:56:37 I think I have got a recommendation.
11:56:42 >>ERNEST MUELLER: Sure.
11:56:46 >>FRANK REDDICK: Now, the city is buying all those cameras
11:56:49 for the RNC.
11:56:51 If we stop placing those cameras on different pole as round
11:56:54 the city, where the city -- has the vast amount of those
11:57:02 signs, I think there might be a way of catching some of these
11:57:05 people who are putting the signs out.
11:57:06 Maybe there's an alternative that you can look at, what we are
11:57:11 going to do for signs when the convention leaves, look at
11:57:15 placing them in areas where there's a high volume of snipe
11:57:18 signs, illegal signs, that are placed in neighborhoods.
11:57:22 And I just throw that out there as a suggestion.
11:57:28 Something has to be done because in the neighborhood it
11:57:30 doesn't look good, and I just want to throw that out.
11:57:34 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much, Councilman Reddick.
11:57:37 Ms. Montelione, then Mr. Suarez.
11:57:39 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Ms. Coyle, can you talk to me a little bit
11:57:43 to extend the conversation about the snipe signs?
11:57:45 How does our sign ordinance define a snipe sign or an illegal
11:57:52 sign as opposed to what is a legal sign in the city limits?
11:57:59 >>CATHERINE COYLE: A snipe sign by term is a prohibited sign.
11:58:08 Hang on one second.
11:58:09 I actually have it.
11:58:17 I'm trying to save paper.
11:58:20 If you can actually read.
11:58:21 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Look at that!
11:58:23 >> If you go to chapter 20.5-15 prohibited signs, specifically
11:58:30 snipe signs are a prohibited sign, and further chapter 19,
11:58:34 which is the chapter, they are also identified as litter.
11:58:41 And that's what gives enforcement the right to pull them up
11:58:44 and take them away.
11:58:46 So they already are prohibited.
11:58:48 >>LISA MONTELIONE: It gives everybody the right to pull them
11:58:53 up and take them out of the right-of-way, correct?
11:58:56 >>CATHY COYLE: I would imagine.
11:58:59 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I have a trunk full any day that I pull
11:59:03 out my neighborhood.
11:59:03 So if they are considered litter, and they are in violation of
11:59:07 our Land Development Code, what prevents us from having any
11:59:12 enforcement action against the people who place those?
11:59:14 Because if I'm a business owner, and I put an illegal sign on
11:59:18 my building, I get in trouble for it.
11:59:21 The property owner does.
11:59:23 Zoning, you know, has teeth to come after me and make me
11:59:27 remove the sign, or bring it into compliance.
11:59:30 But if I am one of the people who own the businesses that are
11:59:34 placing the snipe signs, you can do it all day long and get
11:59:38 away with it.
11:59:38 >>CATHERINE COYLE: Part of the discussion we are having,
11:59:44 really, when you see some of the signs in the pictures that
11:59:46 Mr. Slater showed you in the PowerPoint, where it is a phone
11:59:49 number, you see a phone number, he has a reverse directory
11:59:56 capability, and find out who owns that phone number, track
12:00:00 that person down and issue some kind of citation.
12:00:03 So we went through a lot of different scenarios.
12:00:05 You also have potentially where party city is the name of --
12:00:10 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Right.
12:00:11 Those are usually real estate signs, whether it's a house for
12:00:14 rent or for sale.
12:00:15 So I don't know why we need a reverse directory to find out
12:00:19 who owns the house that is advertised.
12:00:21 So if I have a three bedroom two bath house and it gives me
12:00:25 the address and a telephone number, now I have the address of
12:00:28 the house that they are advertising for sale or for rent, and
12:00:32 I also have the phone number of who it is that is advertising
12:00:35 that house for sale or for rent.
12:00:37 So we have two pieces of information right there on the front.
12:00:42 >>CATHERINE COYLE: The issue we are running into is not
12:00:44 necessarily how to track it back.
12:00:45 That is part of the issue.
12:00:47 It's the time involved with that investigation.
12:00:51 Mr. Slater can speak to it a little more.
12:00:53 There are a limited number of officers, a limited number of
12:00:57 And you can see from the clean city and code enforcement
12:01:00 numbers that he showed you, picked up 24,000 signs in the last
12:01:04 year and a few months.
12:01:06 And taking the time and trying to track down those numbers and
12:01:10 investigate those locations, there is potential that some of
12:01:12 those signs being picked up decreases.
12:01:14 That's what we are running through and trying to come up with
12:01:16 the best protocol to get the highest percentage of signs
12:01:19 picked up, to make it a very clean process legally that we can
12:01:22 actually track the people down.
12:01:25 That's what we are working through right now, I believe.
12:01:27 >>JULIA COLE: Legal department.
12:01:33 And keep something in mind that when you are talking about
12:01:37 citing against a parcel of property where not only can you go
12:01:40 after the owner of the property, but you can ultimately go
12:01:43 through the code enforcement process and lien the property if
12:01:48 don't come into compliance, it's much different than enforce
12:01:52 the code and rights-of-way by the city.
12:01:54 And do you have certain legal obligations for notification for
12:01:57 citations, et cetera, where you are just calling up numbers
12:02:00 and trying to get that information.
12:02:02 I'm not saying it's impossible.
12:02:03 We actually, in our code, have some abatement processes in
12:02:08 But they are just not effective.
12:02:10 We are working very hard right now to try and see how we can
12:02:13 utilize citations processes in a much more patient way against
12:02:18 these signs in the right-of-way.
12:02:19 As it stands right now, sign code is not part of the citation
12:02:25 It is through the code enforcement process.
12:02:26 So that is what we are looking at.
12:02:28 We have had several meetings on this.
12:02:30 And while it seems like it should be simple, there's a lot of
12:02:33 nuances, and keep in mind we are not the only community that
12:02:37 has trouble with this.
12:02:38 It is something that is difficult for all communities, and
12:02:43 it's something that gets written about, something that gets
12:02:46 talked about in seminars, but it's one of these very difficult
12:02:49 things to deal with and enforce.
12:02:51 Keeping in mind that you have to, when you enforce your sign
12:02:54 code, you have to do it in a content-neutral way.
12:02:57 We can't favor one kind of sign over another.
12:03:00 So we want -- we are dealing with the political signs, we are
12:03:04 dealing with the garage sale signs, we are dealing with the
12:03:06 open house signs, and we have to deal with them in the same
12:03:09 manner as we deal with the we buy house signs or we will cut
12:03:17 your lawn people.
12:03:20 So we are looking to try to see how we can utilize our
12:03:24 citation process in a way with our snipe sign process that
12:03:28 will get us the best we can get without overwhelming --
12:03:34 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Well, the way homeowners associations deal
12:03:37 with garage sale signs, would you be allowed to have two
12:03:41 garage sales a year.
12:03:42 And then that way, if we use some element of that type of
12:03:49 system, it could be content neutral, now.
12:03:54 You can put out a sign twice a year.
12:03:58 If you have your signs put out more than twice a year, and
12:04:01 that would mean two specific days, then you are in violation
12:04:05 of the code.
12:04:06 And you can be fined or cited or whatever process we use to go
12:04:11 after that.
12:04:13 It would eliminate signs being out every single day during tax
12:04:17 season from February to April 15th.
12:04:22 That way, it would be content neutral, and you can put out
12:04:26 signs twice a year.
12:04:28 And it's just a suggestion I have.
12:04:30 >> Our garage sale provision right now is twice a year. Again
12:04:35 it's one of those things where it's on the books when you are
12:04:39 enforcing it, it becomes complicated, but exactly what you
12:04:43 mentioned of the type of things we are work there you go to
12:04:45 try to figure out a content neutral way to enforce our sign
12:04:52 code in a manner that eliminates a lot of this junk, we can
12:04:57 all agree it's a lot of junk that ends up in our right-of-way.
12:05:01 >> And just so that I know, to find it back what progress we
12:05:07 are making, if we are working through, do we have an estimated
12:05:11 date of when a draft regulation might come back?
12:05:16 Because this is an issue and a problem for as long as I have
12:05:21 lived in the City of Tampa, and that's quite a number of
12:05:28 >> In the timing of this, one of the things that Jake Slater's
12:05:31 group is doing, they are going to be trying to do an
12:05:33 investigation on those types of signs where you have the full
12:05:35 number and the service and see how long it's going to take
12:05:38 them to be able to figure out who that is and be able to cite
12:05:47 That length of time will be important for us to really work in
12:05:49 time frames and everything else and do an effective code
12:05:53 We don't want to put something else out there and then find
12:05:55 out it's not going to work and come B.C. again and ask for a
12:05:59 >> We do that all the time.
12:06:02 >>ERNEST MUELLER: But we would like to stop.
12:06:06 That what we would like to do is have effective code
12:06:09 We need to know what can and can't be done.
12:06:12 We need for Jake Slater's group to try to investigate these to
12:06:16 see if it's feasible for us to go after these people, or
12:06:19 whether we should just be doing an abatement process where we
12:06:23 pull up and try and build the quote-unquote beneficiary.
12:06:27 So we need to get a better idea on how we can investigate --
12:06:34 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Mr. Slater, do we have an idea how long
12:06:36 it's going to take?
12:06:37 And may I ask, will you accept volunteers for this project?
12:06:41 Because there's probably a lot of people out there that would
12:06:44 be willing to volunteer their time to help you.
12:06:46 >> Jake Slater: Absolutely.
12:06:50 I just don't know about the responsibility or the overall
12:06:53 legal issues about allowing someone to go on the right-of-way,
12:06:59 if I tell them that it's okay, giving them --
12:07:02 >>MARY MULHERN: There's a couple of neighborhood associations
12:07:04 that already do that.
12:07:05 >> Other cities are doing that?
12:07:10 >>JULIA COLE: Legal department.
12:07:11 Certainly we know that a lot of folks do this on their own
12:07:13 time but we have to be very cognizant of it becoming city
12:07:18 sanctioned because it could create other liability problems.
12:07:22 >> If I may say one word thinking about snipe signs.
12:07:29 Our officers average on the weekends probably between 80 and
12:07:36 100 signs being actually picked up.
12:07:39 That's one thing that you have to take a look at, is how long
12:07:41 is it going to take to us go back and actually do the
12:07:45 research, do the investigation, make the phone calls, and try
12:07:50 to identify the actual benefactor.
12:07:54 Some of the signs are easy.
12:07:55 They have the name and address and the phone number.
12:07:57 Some of the signs are tough.
12:08:01 Hauling junk.
12:08:02 Who do we go after on that one?
12:08:04 So we are learning this as we go.
12:08:08 As the attorney said, it's not an easy fix.
12:08:10 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Well, I think hauling junk would be one of
12:08:17 the easier ones because they are a corporation and we would go
12:08:20 after companies.
12:08:20 To me the harder ones would be the individual realtors or
12:08:25 citizens who are advertising their own investment property or
12:08:30 home that they can no longer afford and trying to get it
12:08:34 rented out.
12:08:35 To me that would the difficult one.
12:08:36 The easy ones would be the tax services and the commercial
12:08:40 type of signs, because there is an actual corporate entity
12:08:44 that you can get in touch with, and you can contact, and you
12:08:48 can find.
12:08:48 >> And we have done that in the past and we are currently
12:08:54 doing it now.
12:08:55 We are actually trying to work through all to come up with the
12:08:59 best overall practices.
12:09:00 >>LISA MONTELIONE: And I'm just trying to help.
12:09:03 And I know that personnel is an issue and it's going to be
12:09:08 even more of an issue because I read in the paper that the
12:09:10 mayor is looking for each department to come up with 10% cut
12:09:15 >> Yes.
12:09:16 That means there will only be 5 council members.
12:09:19 [ Laughter ]
12:09:24 >> Thank you, chair.
12:09:27 Mr. Slater, or Mr. Mueller, whoever, quick question.
12:09:32 League of Cities usually has some type of model ordinances,
12:09:36 model ways of actually doing some things.
12:09:39 Have we looked at -- what's the gold standard in terms of the
12:09:42 State of Florida, and some of the cities that are out there
12:09:45 that are doing it?
12:09:46 Have you all looked at any of the ordinances in terms of how
12:09:49 they are treating this, and saying we have had success in this
12:09:52 particular way?
12:09:54 >> I don't have that information available.
12:09:56 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Mr. Mueller?
12:10:06 >>ERNEST MUELLER: We have looked at a few other communities as
12:10:10 to how they are doing enforcement.
12:10:12 We are in the middle of that process right now.
12:10:14 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I was curious because I know with the League
12:10:17 of Cities especially we get a lot of information from them
12:10:20 concerning different ordinances, different kinds of doing
12:10:26 businesses, and that kind of information gathering is
12:10:30 I'm glad to see you are doing that.
12:10:31 >> We try to see if someone else has a good working process.
12:10:36 We don't like to have to reinvent the wheel.
12:10:40 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Let me just say this.
12:10:43 We have got so sophisticated, we have become stupid.
12:10:50 Everything is in computers, and I'm not after everybody, but I
12:10:57 hope I don't hurt anybody's feelings.
12:10:59 If you pick up these signs on a daily basis, sooner or later,
12:11:04 you outwear the enemy because it's about money.
12:11:08 And sooner or later they are going to run out of money because
12:11:11 they can't continue to put up the signs for 15, 30 minutes a
12:11:15 day and the sign doesn't have livability of only eight hours.
12:11:19 Unless they put up the sign at midnight and pick it up at 10
12:11:24 in the morning.
12:11:24 So let's go back in history, and instead of worrying about the
12:11:28 computer, putting it in the computer, finding out what the
12:11:30 computer will tell you and who to send out, if this person
12:11:34 knows, just send a pickup truck, a little weighted rock in the
12:11:39 back, make sure they don't fly off.
12:11:42 I'm being too simplistic about this.
12:11:44 More importantly, and I don't know the answer to this,
12:11:50 somebody buys a house, two bedroom, one bath.
12:11:55 Now their mother wants to live with them.
12:11:58 God bless 'em.
12:11:59 Then they add onto the house.
12:12:01 But the mother doesn't want to live with you because she wants
12:12:05 her privacy, and I understand that.
12:12:07 Now you built a kitchen, which is illegal, and you have given
12:12:18 her separate entrance so she doesn't lose her identity and her
12:12:21 feeling that's her place.
12:12:22 And that's the way it should be.
12:12:23 Everybody wants a place.
12:12:26 Medically and psychologically it's the best thing to have.
12:12:30 However, they leave for whatever reason.
12:12:36 They get upscale, they move to West Tampa.
12:12:41 So what happens now?
12:12:43 Somebody buys that house.
12:12:46 And eight months later, what's going on here?
12:12:56 I don't New York City I just bought this house.
12:12:58 You have an illegal house.
12:13:00 You have to knock down half the house.
12:13:01 How do we have the heart to do that when -- I don't know. I
12:13:11 can show you hundreds.
12:13:13 And 100 of them in my neighborhood that have an apartment.
12:13:18 I'm not after that.
12:13:19 I'm just telling you.
12:13:20 We drive with our eyes closed because if I can see them, so
12:13:24 can everyone else.
12:13:26 But we don't do anything until that house is sold, and some
12:13:33 innocent person buys that house and he or she is told, you
12:13:36 have to knock down half the house, because big government
12:13:40 wants you.
12:13:40 It's wrong.
12:13:41 But he didn't do it, but we are holding somebody else
12:13:46 responsible for somebody else's action.
12:13:48 And that's wrong.
12:13:49 So how do we solve a scenario like that?
12:13:54 The other day I went to look at three houses.
12:13:58 75% of them, three out of four, had an apartment with a
12:14:03 separate entrance to the house.
12:14:08 Yes, sir, Mr. Wonder.
12:14:10 >> Mr. Chairman, nice to see you again.
12:14:14 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: In my pleasure to see you.
12:14:15 >> That's not an easy fix.
12:14:17 I know that code enforcement right now in those type of issues
12:14:22 respond to complaints.
12:14:23 I drive those areas over there just as you do.
12:14:27 We do not do -- we currently do not do any proactive cases for
12:14:33 that type -- for those type of violations unless we get a
12:14:36 complaint, and then we contact the LDC office, zoning, and ask
12:14:42 that they get involved in regards to their overall
12:14:46 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: And I'm not asking for that.
12:14:47 >>JAKE SLATER: I don't want to force anybody out.
12:14:51 I don't want to come down, but just as you said, when the
12:14:56 house is sold, someone else comes in, or a neighbor calls with
12:15:00 us a complaint.
12:15:01 We had a situation with pavers over in Europe, where they put
12:15:10 down pavers that didn't meet the code.
12:15:13 And I remember going to a meeting, over at Mr. Daignault's
12:15:19 office -- actually, legal was there, and the homeowners were
12:15:24 so upset and they put all their heart and soul in this house
12:15:27 and the pavers, they started to cry.
12:15:31 And I said, you know, what's the practical solution to this?
12:15:36 That's how I operate.
12:15:38 I don't have all the answers in regard to the zoning issues or
12:15:42 the apartments or the pavers.
12:15:44 My motto is what's the practical solution?
12:15:47 It might not be what city code, but how do we fix this?
12:15:53 And sometimes I drive over, and kind of go like this
12:15:57 Because there are a bunch of violation out there.
12:16:00 >> ERNEST MUELLER: As to the enforcement practice we are
12:16:06 trying to use on those type of cases, that's where the Code
12:16:09 Enforcement Board process would come in, and we are trying to
12:16:13 get this Code Enforcement Board process to be the more
12:16:16 friendly, help people along.
12:16:19 In this scenario you provided, it may not have been permits.
12:16:25 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: There never was a permit.
12:16:28 If it's a permit that worked --
12:16:33 >>ERNEST MUELLER: But we need them to go ahead and try to get
12:16:35 that addition, whatever you have done to be legal.
12:16:37 That's where the Code Enforcement Board process is supposed to
12:16:40 help Seth set out these realistic long-term deadlines to help
12:16:44 people in this type of situation, where it might cost them
12:16:48 some money, unexpectedly give them time.
12:16:50 That's what we are trying to get that code enforcement to be,
12:16:53 friendly, set some deadlines, help people get these things
12:16:56 squared away.
12:16:58 There are some out there that want to make our Code
12:17:00 Enforcement Board process penal.
12:17:03 And we are taking a lot of criticism for that.
12:17:05 But we are trying to really help bring those people and those
12:17:08 violations into compliance.
12:17:09 And that is where we are trying to use that Code Enforcement
12:17:11 Board process for.
12:17:15 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'm going to have to respectfully disagree,
12:17:20 because it's not going to happen.
12:17:25 Unless we change the system that whoever buys that property,
12:17:36 the board is not going to do that, because the code says you
12:17:39 can't have it.
12:17:40 So we are going to be in the same room here with different
12:17:43 individuals discussing it at much further length and costing
12:17:48 somebody tens of thousands of dollars that they don't have.
12:17:53 They don't have.
12:17:54 And we are penalizing the wrong parties.
12:18:01 Real estate transactions are done all the time.
12:18:06 I watched.
12:18:07 And the local newspapers got all of these, and I check these
12:18:12 houses to look for my own information.
12:18:14 That's how bored I am.
12:18:17 Got nothing to do in the evening.
12:18:19 And I check.
12:18:23 I would say 40% of those residents have an attachment to the
12:18:30 However, you get a one-inch overhang that doesn't meet the
12:18:35 seven-foot setback, and guess what, you are right here again
12:18:40 saying take the one inch off.
12:18:45 The other day I had a gentleman -- they would leave notes on
12:18:49 my door, that I can fix everything.
12:18:52 I can't.
12:18:53 One note said come buy by this house.
12:18:57 And I did
12:18:58 And I asked the guy, what's the problem?
12:19:00 He said, well, I built this here without a permit.
12:19:03 How far are you?
12:19:05 I'm seven feet from the property line.
12:19:07 I said, yeah, you're seven feet from the property line all
12:19:10 right, when you are going in the door.
12:19:11 But the problem is you are seven feet to that side and you are
12:19:14 two inches from the property line when you finish the
12:19:21 Walked in the backyard.
12:19:24 I looked to the neighbor.
12:19:26 There was a building that was started when I had curls.
12:19:31 The plywood was all dried out, rotted out, eaten out, and I'm
12:19:36 telling myself, whoever came here to issue this violation, he
12:19:40 was cited.
12:19:41 How come they didn't see that?
12:19:42 And I'm looking at it.
12:19:44 How come they didn't see that between his property and the
12:19:46 other property there was a six by ten trailer full of stuff, I
12:19:56 mean, there had to be rats there.
12:19:58 How come that wasn't cited? I looked across the street.
12:20:02 I see a house with a separate entrance.
12:20:04 And it looked like a duplex.
12:20:09 It looks marvelous.
12:20:10 They did a marvelous job.
12:20:13 The old entrance is here.
12:20:15 They covered the carport.
12:20:16 They put the same type of arch here.
12:20:18 It looks like a regular house.
12:20:20 But I noticed two doors.
12:20:22 I said why do they have two doors?
12:20:26 Stupid, because they got two residents.
12:20:28 Then I go two blocks down.
12:20:30 I see one house, another house behind the house.
12:20:33 I mean, a house behind a house.
12:20:37 Thank God the mother-in-law was there or somebody and he
12:20:40 wanted to keep the whole family happy.
12:20:42 But what I'm saying is, we are not going to be able to control
12:20:46 this 110%.
12:20:47 It won't happen.
12:20:50 Unless the public adheres to something they will accept.
12:20:55 So we are chasing ourselves.
12:20:59 Instead of having all these reports and legal and law and the
12:21:03 court, just pick up the sign.
12:21:05 Sooner or later, you are going to wear them out.
12:21:07 And now they have got so smart, they go 14-foot because you
12:21:11 got an 8-foot ladder and you ain't going to reach 14 feet.
12:21:15 Used to have it at 12 but now they go 14 because you can't get
12:21:18 to it.
12:21:20 So you have to have a taller ladder.
12:21:23 It's just so simple but so difficult.
12:21:26 And I'm trying to humor it a little bit so that we understand
12:21:32 it's very hard to fix.
12:21:34 And I understand your frustration, the legal department, we
12:21:38 can't do this or we are going to get sued.
12:21:40 Sue me, I don't care.
12:21:41 I'm taking down the sign.
12:21:43 It's got to come to something.
12:21:44 We can't be perfect.
12:21:46 And we are not going to win them all but we are certainly not
12:21:48 going to lose them all.
12:21:50 And the expressway entrances ingress and egress.
12:21:53 You see three bedroom, two bath, $29,000 in good condition.
12:22:00 Can't buy it.
12:22:01 But they are all over the place.
12:22:06 Yes, ma'am, I hope you have some better news.
12:22:09 >>LISA MONTELIONE: As I often do I would like to talk about
12:22:13 the money.
12:22:14 And the only way we are going to get, I think, Mr. Slater the
12:22:17 help that he needs in the field is to find the revenue stream
12:22:21 to bring back to his department some of the money that's
12:22:26 I went through -- this is nine months worth of resolutions for
12:22:33 mowing and accumulations for lien, and just quickly looking
12:22:39 through doing a little bit of research, not a lot, some of the
12:22:44 names of the companies that are owning some of these
12:22:48 properties, because there are repetitive resolutions here, or
12:22:53 repetitive liens on properties that are owned by the same
12:22:56 company, and I ended up 40,229.43 worth of liens, and that's
12:23:06 just on a few of the companies that have us mowing their lawn
12:23:15 for them.
12:23:16 One of them we just happened to pay a whole lot of money to
12:23:20 buy a piece of property from them, but they owe us $300
12:23:24 because we had to mow one of their vacant properties, there's
12:23:30 a particular bank out there that has -- and I would say
12:23:34 because of the foreclosure usual you and all these houses are
12:23:38 No, the bank I looked into that owns several of the properties
12:23:42 has only owned the property since 2005.
12:23:46 So it's not like a recent thing that they just foreclosed on.
12:23:51 They have had this land for quite some time.
12:23:54 There were several investors who are repetitive, and there's a
12:23:59 couple of people that do business, a couple of nonprofits that
12:24:02 do business with the city on a regular basis that also own
12:24:05 properties that we are mowing for them.
12:24:07 And the idea that we don't know how long it takes, with all
12:24:11 due respect, like the chairman likes to say, that it takes a
12:24:14 long time to figure out who owns these properties, how to get
12:24:17 in touch with them, how to track them down.
12:24:20 It took me less than two or three minutes on some of these
12:24:25 individual companies that own these properties to find out who
12:24:28 they are.
12:24:29 Some of them I have on my cell phone number because I know we
12:24:32 do business with them as a city.
12:24:34 So I know these people.
12:24:36 All I have to do is pick up the phone and say, hey, do you
12:24:38 know that your property hasn't been mowed?
12:24:41 Maybe it's something that slipped through the cracks.
12:24:44 Maybe they don't even realize that they own the property.
12:24:46 And we are sending out notices that go nowhere because it's
12:24:50 being sent to the wrong P.O. Box or to the wrong individual at
12:24:54 the company.
12:24:55 Who knows why they are not responding to the notices?
12:24:58 But as the chairman says, pick up the phone.
12:25:01 Pick up the phone and call these people.
12:25:05 If I were looking at these potential liens pressure to them
12:25:10 coming here to council after the lien has already been filed,
12:25:14 I would do it myself.
12:25:15 I would pick up the phone and call them up and say, look, save
12:25:19 the city $300.
12:25:21 Mow your property.
12:25:22 Or we are going to do it for you and bill you, please pay the
12:25:27 bill, because it's not worth the time for us to go all the way
12:25:30 through the process of Code Enforcement Board, to go all the
12:25:33 way to the clerk to file this lien, when we know we are never
12:25:36 going to collect it.
12:25:37 And that leads to my question of Mr. O'Hara.
12:25:43 I had asked that we have an idea of the funds that we are
12:25:48 able -- the liens and funds that we are able to collect.
12:25:53 >>> Yes, ma'am.
12:25:55 Good afternoon.
12:25:57 Dennis O'Hara, revenue and finance department.
12:26:00 We have that for you right now.
12:26:01 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Yea.
12:26:05 I love numbers.
12:26:08 >> As you will shortly ascertain from looking at the
12:26:27 information I just passed out, we are not collecting all that
12:26:30 much money right now from fines.
12:26:33 And associated with Code Enforcement Board.
12:26:35 Some of you, that will come as no surprise to.
12:26:39 There was some discussion earlier about the different dynamics
12:26:43 associated with this, and there are some dynamics associated
12:26:45 with this, too, that I would like to talk to you, now that I
12:26:48 passed the information out.
12:26:49 But first can I just walk you through the information?
12:26:52 And then I'll give some comments.
12:26:54 You see that we have confined it to two fiscal years.
12:26:58 2010 and 2011.
12:27:00 And these again are liens and fines solely associated with
12:27:03 Code Enforcement Board.
12:27:05 We have the number of cases.
12:27:07 615 for 2010 and 318 for 2011.
12:27:11 About half in 2011, 2010.
12:27:14 Total fines -- and I will circle back to this figure because
12:27:17 it's very large in both years, almost $9 million in 2010, over
12:27:23 3.5 million in 2011.
12:27:25 Homesteaded properties, there's a reason we are throwing that
12:27:27 in there, 330, about half of that in '11.
12:27:31 The homesteaded fine amounts, this is that portion, for 2010,
12:27:36 for example, this is that portion of the 8.7 million that is
12:27:40 associated solely with homesteaded properties, and that's
12:27:43 almost 4.5 million.
12:27:44 The reason we put that in there is to reiterate and point out
12:27:49 we cannot attach a Lunn to a homesteaded property.
12:27:52 And I will circle back to that in a minute also.
12:27:55 A line nobody wants to be look at, the total fines received,
12:28:00 associated with these years from a budget perspective, as you
12:28:04 all probably figured out, is inconsequential, a little --
12:28:07 $52,000 in '10 and under $7,000 in fiscal year '11.
12:28:13 Cases paid, less than 112.
12:28:16 Percentage total cases collected relatively small.
12:28:21 Moving on down to the lien information, again, 2010-11, the
12:28:26 number of cases, the total lien amounts, again roughly half of
12:28:31 one year to the next. Total fines received from budget
12:28:34 perspective, inconsequential.
12:28:36 There are no game changers in terms of revenue receipts.
12:28:40 Cases paid and again the percentage total cases collected.
12:28:47 Before we open it to questions, if I could frame this for you
12:28:49 because there are a number of dynamics.
12:28:51 Beginning with that second line, total fines.
12:28:58 Jake and I and Ernie and our staff met a couple of times on
12:29:01 this issue, and we have some ideas.
12:29:03 But looking at that total fine amount is a business to say the
12:29:10 For instance, me as a budget officer looked at this initially
12:29:14 and said, not only are collections deficient for what the fine
12:29:18 is out there, but shouldn't we be looking at some sort of
12:29:23 anticipated receipt of this revenue?
12:29:26 I see you shaking your head and there would be no point to
12:29:30 looking that the as revenue because one of the great examples
12:29:33 we like to throw around, in that $8.8 million worth of fines
12:29:37 could be a $50,000 home with $300,000 worth of fines
12:29:42 associated with it.
12:29:44 From a revenue perspective, that's not real money.
12:29:47 It's not even going to approach what that fine is.
12:29:50 So one of our challenges is how do we frame the fine both in
12:29:55 terms of revenue receipt, but how do we frame the fine in
12:29:58 terms of managing expectations as to what can be collected?
12:30:02 Because if you have a $350,000 property and a $300,000 fine on
12:30:06 it, I have really got to manage my own expectations.
12:30:09 Because I am not going to get through 300,000 for that
12:30:13 property and obviously I have to manage the administration and
12:30:16 you all's expectation.
12:30:18 So we have a very big challenge just jumping off into this
12:30:21 discussion, and that's the amount that we can realistically
12:30:28 Keeping that in mind, if you move on down, see that the
12:30:32 homesteaded properties in each year account for about half.
12:30:36 Again, as I mentioned before, we are prohibited from attaching
12:30:39 liens, things like that to homesteaded property.
12:30:43 But even setting that aside, in nonhomesteaded properties
12:30:47 would you think you have about $4 million to collect fines on,
12:30:50 and we collected only $52,000 in 2010.
12:30:53 We definitely have a disconnect between our expectations and
12:30:56 what we are receiving.
12:30:58 I think that's apparent from the information I shared with
12:31:02 And then I think that will be my segue into what you mention.
12:31:07 How do we maximize the collections associated with what we can
12:31:10 realistically expect to get?
12:31:12 And that's one of the challenges we are working with right
12:31:15 There are a number of moving parts, and some of them are just
12:31:18 a bit misleading, and this is my product.
12:31:23 And I will just use an example again, 2010, this is my
12:31:26 product, and I hate to come up and tell you my own product --
12:31:32 but it is, because we have identified almost $9 million in
12:31:35 fines associated with cases in 2010 that we are simply not
12:31:40 going to collect.
12:31:40 And as we have these discussions, Ernie, thank you, as well as
12:31:46 all staff, Jake and his staff, we have got to change
12:31:50 And we ask ourselves, if not now, as we have this
12:31:54 administrative reorganization and the code enforcement
12:31:57 department and legal more closely with the budget department,
12:32:00 if not now, when?
12:32:01 So it's going to be now.
12:32:02 We just don't know exactly how we are going to change it yet.
12:32:05 But I can tell you right off the bat we need to manage some
12:32:08 expectations in terms of what our revenue receipts are going
12:32:11 to be.
12:32:12 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Well, I know anecdotally someone goes
12:32:17 through the process, and is levied fines of $100 a day.
12:32:22 And it's almost as if that number is pulled out of the air.
12:32:27 It really doesn't represent anything.
12:32:28 And it's meant as a punitive, well, if we charge them $100 a
12:32:34 day they'll get it done faster.
12:32:36 Not necessarily.
12:32:37 Because what I have been advised, and Luke I said, anecdotally
12:32:45 know, is that someone will maybe come into compliance, and
12:32:48 they'll waive the fine.
12:32:51 Or greatly reduce them.
12:32:52 Or it never even gets that far.
12:32:54 They come into compliance, and then before you not, they are
12:32:58 back again.
12:32:59 Because there really isn't any teeth to what we do in code
12:33:06 And I always bring that only up because if we can identify a
12:33:11 way to -- even break even in reimbursing ourselves for the
12:33:17 effort that we put forth, it would be a major improvement.
12:33:21 Having the code board is an expense to the city.
12:33:25 Mr. Slater can use some help.
12:33:28 This is an outdated map.
12:33:30 But this is a map of the code enforcement officers and the
12:33:34 territory they have.
12:33:38 It's astounding that so few people have to keep an eye on the
12:33:43 entire city.
12:33:44 And then we complain that there are issues of code
12:33:50 I'm looking -- the north Tampa community plan.
12:33:54 And when I talk to people, the biggest complaint they have --
12:33:58 and the low-hanging fruit, so to speak to improve the area in
12:34:02 the site corridors along Busch and Fowler are -- I think if we
12:34:08 can just clean up the code enforcement issues, that's the
12:34:14 determined step.
12:34:15 We don't even have the officers available to target those two
12:34:22 Staffing is a huge issue.
12:34:24 So if we can improve the collections and the revenue on one
12:34:28 hand, and dedicate whatever revenue we collect through that
12:34:34 process, then there would be a stream that Mr. Slater can
12:34:40 count on to supplement his budget, you know, with whatever he
12:34:45 gets from the general fund.
12:34:46 And the other is that I think it's very unfair, because on
12:34:52 your chart, that you gave us, the 2010 number of cases paid
12:34:57 were 999.
12:34:59 For $352,060 and 16.07% is the total percentage collected.
12:35:08 It just seems that some people, if they do the right thing,
12:35:12 and pay their fines, are honorable, but the majority of people
12:35:18 just throw their -- they just laugh in the face of the system.
12:35:23 >> (off microphone).
12:35:31 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: We'll have public continue.
12:35:32 I want to tell you where you are on time.
12:35:35 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I'm sorry, I think this is one of the
12:35:37 major issues facing our city.
12:35:38 I think code enforcement, all of us can say the majority of
12:35:42 phone calls we get are probably code enforcement issues.
12:35:45 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Mine are roosters and chickens.
12:35:48 >>LISA MONTELIONE: And that's because code is an issue.
12:35:55 I think the time we spend on this item reflects how much we
12:35:58 care about --
12:35:59 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'm not questioning the time.
12:36:01 I heard Mr. Cohen make it.
12:36:03 I heard council a profit.
12:36:04 I'm just letting now where we are at.
12:36:06 That's all.
12:36:07 Mr. Cohen?
12:36:12 >> And if I could Segway, and this is no -- it's been a
12:36:17 learning experience for me over this last month and I'm
12:36:19 learning all kind of stuff, and he has been very, very
12:36:22 >> Yes, he has.
12:36:26 >> But in illustrating to me what his needs are.
12:36:30 So it is a challenge.
12:36:32 And we are going to address it.
12:36:34 And I think the administration is aware of it, too, which is
12:36:36 one of the reasons nor reorganization.
12:36:38 We are working very, very closely now.
12:36:40 And we are citing this much more closely in the community.
12:36:49 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Mr. Cohen and then Mr. Suarez.
12:36:50 >>HARRY COHEN: Continuing on the issue of collections for a
12:36:54 moment, in the state court system, the legislature has
12:36:59 authorized that when someone does not pay a traffic citation
12:37:03 in a certain amount of time, actually authorize is the wrong
12:37:07 word, mandated that that debt be sent to a collection agency,
12:37:11 and up to a 40% surcharge be tacked on top of it.
12:37:16 Is that -- has anything like that ever been considered by code
12:37:24 >>> I will jump into it and then ask my fellow staff members
12:37:30 to help me if I go astray.
12:37:33 Speaking of the bad debt collection, as council is aware, we
12:37:35 have brought before you this year what we are determining a
12:37:39 pilot project for collection of bad debt associated not only
12:37:42 code enforcement but with EMS.
12:37:45 So I think that's an area, we think that's an area that's ripe
12:37:49 for exploration, and we are doing it right now.
12:37:52 Within the next two, hopefully two, maybe three months, we
12:37:57 hope to bring you all the results of that pilot project in
12:38:00 terms of we have contracted with an outside vendor, we spent
12:38:02 this much money for these accounts, and this is what we got in
12:38:06 We anticipate we are going to have a very good return on
12:38:09 investments that we can expand.
12:38:11 Having said that, can somebody elaborate on the bad debt
12:38:14 better than I?
12:38:26 >>ERNEST MUELLER: The department of code enforcement sent over
12:38:28 to be collected through the collection agency, its hard cost
12:38:30 lien, you know, just X number, I think within the past year,
12:38:35 so they are fairly fresh, but the hard cost liens are
12:38:39 associated with the mowing.
12:38:41 Your basic type liens that you have been talking about going
12:38:43 through the resolution process.
12:38:45 Under the Code Enforcement Board liens -- none of them have
12:38:49 gone over there because of the complications, between
12:38:51 foreclosures, and bankruptcies, and everything, and what the
12:38:55 amounts of these liens are to send over is going to be far too
12:39:00 problematic, and they would all be sent back with questions
12:39:03 and would end up taking a lot of our time.
12:39:05 So we felt the Code Enforcement Board liens would not be good
12:39:08 candidate for debt collection, whereas we thought the hard
12:39:12 cost liens would be a better candidate.
12:39:15 >>HARRY COHEN: Well, the best candidate is the freshest debt.
12:39:18 So if you need legislation from us that would allow you to
12:39:23 send those things to collection prior to imposing a lien that
12:39:27 might be something that could be looked at.
12:39:29 You know, another thing that I would suggest is that you could
12:39:33 ask our state legislative delegation to give the municipality
12:39:38 the authority to do things like spend people -- suspend
12:39:42 people's driver's license when they owe the city for these
12:39:45 types of debts.
12:39:46 So there are enforcement mechanisms out there.
12:39:48 We just need to go about getting the authority to do some of
12:39:52 those things.
12:39:52 And, you know, the reason that some jurisdictions shy away
12:39:58 from this is because these are harsh measures.
12:40:01 They are measures that require feeding the patient very bitter
12:40:09 But I can guarantee you when you suspend someone's driver's
12:40:11 license, they pay the bill very quickly in order to get that
12:40:15 driver's license back.
12:40:16 >>ERNEST MUELLER: And sometimes getting that authorization
12:40:19 from the Florida legislature isn't as quick and easy.
12:40:22 And I would like if I could --
12:40:24 >> With all due respect I don't think we ever tried anything
12:40:26 like that.
12:40:27 >>ERNEST MUELLER: That would be success -- nothing like
12:40:30 suspending the driver's license but we have been trying to get
12:40:32 legislation through that would help us in the code
12:40:36 >>HARRY COHEN: I saw Councilwoman Montelione mentioned the
12:40:41 mayor said yesterday that the city has a $30 million deficit
12:40:44 in next year's budget.
12:40:46 And I think that we are really at a point where we are going
12:40:51 to have to take very severe measures to at least recoup the
12:40:58 part that we are expending to keep this city clean N.my
12:41:03 view -- and I would certainly be interested in hearing
12:41:05 everyone else's view -- but in my view, these type of tough
12:41:09 measures very rapidly, if they are enforced, solve the
12:41:13 problem, because people just do not want to pay the cost of
12:41:17 dealing with getting that driver's license back or having to
12:41:21 clear up their credit once something --
12:41:26 >>ERNEST MUELLER: And both to address something that both you
12:41:28 and Ms. Montelione brought up, but regarding the hard costs,
12:41:34 council will recall about six months ago you passed an
12:41:37 ordinance that authorized Jake Slater's group to start issuing
12:41:41 orders which were orders to abate and orders to secure which
12:41:45 is beginning to roll out now which we hope will be successful
12:41:48 and give what you are describing, motivating people, because
12:41:52 it's going to go out, in order T order to a bait is going to
12:41:55 say mow this property.
12:41:57 If you don't, we will, we are going to charge you and there's
12:41:59 going to be an admin fee, it's going to become a lien, it's
12:42:02 going to start incurring unto.
12:42:04 Up until that tame, we haven't had that type of an order go
12:42:07 out except on the demolition.
12:42:08 >> But I would say rather than becoming a lien, sending it
12:42:13 directly to collection may be more effective because the
12:42:15 person may say I can live with the lien, I am not selling my
12:42:18 house, I'll worry about that in 20 years when finally I have
12:42:24 to pay the piper.
12:42:26 Maybe collection --
12:42:29 >>ERNEST MUELLER: As I said, we have been sending them over
12:42:32 to see how effective that is working.
12:42:34 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you, chair.
12:42:36 I think Councilman Cohen talked a lot about what I was going
12:42:39 to mention, which is the lien process is good if you have
12:42:48 Mean field goal you are someone that is worried about
12:42:50 creditworthiness, you are going to pay attention to that.
12:42:53 I added onto my home a few years back, and yes, I was -- one
12:43:00 of the first things that the builder does is that they put a
12:43:03 lien immediately to make sure that you are going to pay as you
12:43:06 build, because they draw down based on, you know, where they
12:43:10 are at in the process.
12:43:11 So I was a bit surprised when I received something from a
12:43:15 secondary service that that's all they do is provide liens for
12:43:18 these type of activities.
12:43:22 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Not a lien.
12:43:25 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Regardless, it's one of those things where you
12:43:29 say why am I getting this thing, and you talk to your builder
12:43:32 and find out Y.but that's a process where someone who is
12:43:35 wanting to make sure their credit is still good, make sure
12:43:38 they don't have a blemish on their record is going to be more
12:43:42 worried with it about it.
12:43:43 To Mr. Cohen's point I think it's much more important when
12:43:46 people start saying you need to pay this, we need to have a
12:43:49 different hammer for different parts of the city -- and I
12:43:53 don't mean in terms of picking and choosing, I mean a
12:43:57 secondary process so that liens are not the only hammer that
12:44:01 we have.
12:44:02 We have to have some other process to say, you have to pay
12:44:05 this or else something else will happen.
12:44:09 Driver's license is something that's very cognizant to most
12:44:13 Some people have to have a driver's license in order to have
12:44:16 their job.
12:44:17 When you start showing that, when this comes through, if you
12:44:19 do not pay this particular fine, you are going to lose your
12:44:24 license or you are going to be suspended or some other aspect
12:44:28 of what's happening.
12:44:30 It is a much more powerful message to send to people.
12:44:33 And so I think that we need to really think about how we put
12:44:37 all this together.
12:44:38 Part of what I had mentioned before about some of the models,
12:44:43 codes are, or model ways of actually collecting.
12:44:46 That's what makes it so important.
12:44:48 You know, every city has their problems with code enforcement.
12:44:51 I think we all know that but there are cities that are doing
12:44:54 it better than other cities.
12:44:55 I would like to New York City are we in the middle of the
12:44:58 Are we the top?
12:44:59 Are we doing better than someone else?
12:45:01 Are we the worst?
12:45:02 And I don't know the answer to that.
12:45:03 And I know that with the pride that Mr. Slater does in terms
12:45:09 of his -- what do you, and in terms of what we do as a city,
12:45:14 is very important.
12:45:15 We want to make sure we are doing the exact process so that we
12:45:20 get as many of these fines paid as possible.
12:45:23 Even if we got one tenth of what supposedly we are supposed to
12:45:27 get, which may be the best way of essentially writing off the
12:45:32 debt, so to speak.
12:45:34 I'm more than willing to do that.
12:45:36 When you look at the total numbers that you presented to us,
12:45:38 if we were getting one tenth of it, I would be very happy, you
12:45:42 know. But we are not even getting.
12:45:44 That so to me we need to really dig in deep.
12:45:48 I know you are doing that already.
12:45:49 I know that Mr. Mueller, Mr. Slater, all working together to
12:45:52 try to get this done, because we cannot keep on this path and
12:45:57 think that things are going to change.
12:45:58 And I think you all know that.
12:46:00 But I appreciate the work that you are putting in, and this is
12:46:05 something to communicate to the public, we are trying to fix
12:46:07 these problems.
12:46:08 This is not something that we are just letting go by the
12:46:12 It is not a simple fix.
12:46:13 There is a cost associated with it.
12:46:15 And we need to make sure that those people that are the
12:46:18 perpetrators of this particular type of fine know that they
12:46:22 have to pay at some point.
12:46:24 So I appreciate everything that you are doing, and thanks for
12:46:28 your presentation.
12:46:29 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Ms. Capin, and then I am going to make a
12:46:31 statement and Mr. Cohen will make another request.
12:46:37 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Maybe that's the Q.I notice the time.
12:46:39 And I would like to ask for 15 more minutes.
12:46:42 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: All right.
12:46:43 This would be the last request?
12:46:44 Is that what I am hearing?
12:46:46 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Yes.
12:46:47 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Motion by Ms. Capin, second by Mrs.
12:46:50 Montelione for an additional 15 minutes.
12:46:52 That would be 1 p.m.
12:46:53 All in favor of the motion?
12:46:54 The ayes have it unanimously.
12:46:56 You still have the floor, Mrs. Capin.
12:46:59 And Mr. Cohen.
12:47:02 Let me just say this.
12:47:03 Code enforcement was never, ever put in to be a revenue
12:47:13 It was made to help the city solve its problems into the
12:47:16 future by not having to have the expense of doing tens of
12:47:21 hundreds of millions of dollars in lost revenues for a home
12:47:26 being deteriorated, cleaned up and all of that.
12:47:28 No matter where you are at.
12:47:30 You aren't going to get 100 percent of the money because it
12:47:33 was never intended to do that.
12:47:34 It was intended to do what it's doing now.
12:47:38 Now, when you look at the map, and you divide it by six
12:47:43 quadrants, or four quadrants really, it doesn't match up
12:47:56 The dots and the addresses all figure in certain zip codes,
12:48:01 not in all the zip codes.
12:48:02 So it's not a city-wide problem.
12:48:04 Although it's defined as a city-wide problem.
12:48:07 The areas of specialties fall into different zip codes.
12:48:12 So let's condense to the what it really is.
12:48:15 Yes, it's a city-wide problem on paper.
12:48:18 But in reality it is not.
12:48:21 It is a specific area of location.
12:48:25 So what I'm saying is, condense all your areas, all your
12:48:31 resources to those areas.
12:48:32 I'm sure you already have.
12:48:33 And these are the things that you have to do until you look at
12:48:36 the other areas to see how they are going and how they are
12:48:41 But I know -- what's going to happen to somebody that buys
12:48:46 that house?
12:48:51 I know code enforcement is going to tell them.
12:48:55 So if you know and I know, war we doing about it?
12:49:01 It doesn't change what we are doing.
12:49:03 So I'm saying, if you really want to have something, find out
12:49:08 all the problems that code enforcement, not that they have
12:49:11 problems per se, individually, but what are their problems,
12:49:15 and how do you address and focus on those problems?
12:49:19 We haven't done that.
12:49:20 All this here is lip service.
12:49:25 Doesn't solve anything until we specifically get all your
12:49:29 Maybe we have to change.
12:49:31 I'm not opposed to change.
12:49:33 But you have to do something more than talk about revenues
12:49:39 don't mean anything if they are not collectible.
12:49:42 This is great work.
12:49:43 But guess what.
12:49:45 I not practical because you are not going to collect 8.7,
12:49:51 $7.8 million.
12:49:52 Downtown have an asset attached to that.
12:49:54 All you have is a service of some sort.
12:49:57 That's an imagination service if you are planning 100 or 500 a
12:50:03 That's uncollectible.
12:50:04 Go collect from somebody that you said has a $300,000 lien on
12:50:08 a house worth 50,000.
12:50:10 What are you going to do with the house?
12:50:13 It doesn't work.
12:50:14 So we have to be more realistic.
12:50:18 At the same time be more compassionate.
12:50:20 You have a multitude of problems here.
12:50:24 They are not solvable in an hour, hour and a half or two
12:50:28 You have to come back.
12:50:31 These are the preponderance of my problems.
12:50:33 How I do solve them?
12:50:35 And that we will do something.
12:50:38 But to do it now, you can't do it.
12:50:44 It doesn't work in practicality.
12:50:46 It just doesn't work.
12:50:48 We are saying to ourselves what we have on the books now
12:50:51 doesn't work.
12:50:53 If not we wouldn't be here.
12:50:54 Everything would be rosy.
12:50:56 But that's not the case.
12:50:59 You say, well, I have got 3.5 million last year but I
12:51:04 collected 6,600.
12:51:06 You say, wow.
12:51:08 Am I losing money?
12:51:10 You aren't losing anything.
12:51:12 That's fake paper money like playing monopoly with yourself.
12:51:15 You can win and you can lose in the same day.
12:51:17 That's exactly what we are doing.
12:51:19 We are playing monopoly with the people's minds.
12:51:22 You have to have a concrete way of solving the problem.
12:51:26 And we are not going to do it today.
12:51:28 And I'm taking up some council member's time and I apologize
12:51:31 That but it got to be done in a systematic way where these
12:51:39 things are solved, case closed.
12:51:42 And I guarantee you, a lot of these same ones here are
12:51:51 And I don't know the answer but I can only imagine that they
12:51:53 are repeaters.
12:51:57 You know what I'm saying?
12:52:00 It's so smart, so easy to say code enforcement is going to
12:52:04 handle it.
12:52:09 But how are they going to handle it?
12:52:12 It doesn't end.
12:52:13 It just doesn't end.
12:52:15 We have a city.
12:52:17 We have a lot of people living here.
12:52:19 You have got a lot of minds.
12:52:20 You have got people that think differently.
12:52:23 You have got a wonderful place.
12:52:28 Is it working?
12:52:30 I would say in a great number of cases yes.
12:52:33 What we are looking at is a small amount compared to the
12:52:35 general population.
12:52:37 Most of the population here are doing it on their own and
12:52:42 keeping everything clean, everything mowed and things of that
12:52:49 I do things so well that I have a rock garden.
12:52:52 The whole front yard is rocks.
12:52:55 And I water the rocks just to keep them clean.
12:52:58 But these are the things that you have to do.
12:53:01 I don't say everybody should have a rock garden.
12:53:04 Of course not.
12:53:04 But, you know.
12:53:09 Ms. Capin.
12:53:11 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Thank you.
12:53:11 The only thing I said this whole time was asking for 15 extra
12:53:14 minutes so I had four issues.
12:53:16 But in reference to your rock garden, I have a Florida sand
12:53:24 It's sand.
12:53:24 That's what I have.
12:53:30 I agree with Chairman Miranda and the consolidation, because
12:53:36 when you look at neighborhoods, for instance, I live in Beach
12:53:40 Park, and that neighborhood is very cognizant of what is going
12:53:45 on in their neighborhood.
12:53:47 And code enforcement is there immediately.
12:53:55 Construction services, whatever is going on.
12:53:57 So that is very important.
12:54:00 And yes, do you look at that map.
12:54:02 And it's not the entire city.
12:54:04 It can't be.
12:54:05 It is -- and I think consolidation would help.
12:54:09 Also, I want to mention that I next week will be married 43
12:54:18 years, and I have purchased several homes along the way.
12:54:21 And I know at least a couple of them were purchased with
12:54:26 additions that were not permitted because when we went to the
12:54:30 closing, the square footage that they had on the home was not
12:54:33 the square footage that the tax collector's office had, and
12:54:37 they said, oh, well, they enclosed the porch.
12:54:40 That was it.
12:54:41 No one knocked on my door.
12:54:43 No one told me I had to tear it down.
12:54:45 That never happened.
12:54:48 And I know, at least two homes.
12:54:50 The other thing is, when we talk about small businesses, and
12:54:53 we are talking about signs, I see this when they are building
12:54:58 a pool in a home, and the pool company puts their sign in the
12:55:03 front yard on private property.
12:55:05 We are talking about right-of-way.
12:55:07 And sometimes when you do see the sign next to the expressway,
12:55:10 maybe code enforcement hasn't been by yet to pick it up.
12:55:15 So give them a chance.
12:55:18 There's quite a few things there.
12:55:28 I think those were my four issues that we wanted to bring up
12:55:32 about picking up signs.
12:55:33 And now what?
12:55:34 As citizens, I know that in Beach Park, write used to live, if
12:55:37 you had a sign in the right-of-way, it would not last 15
12:55:42 So neighborhood, do your part.
12:55:45 Clean up your neighborhood.
12:55:46 Take care of your front porch.
12:55:49 Sweep it.
12:55:56 And Chairman Miranda is right.
12:55:57 This is very small amount compared to the population of the
12:56:01 City of Tampa.
12:56:05 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Let me ask in the audience.
12:56:07 I know I am going public comment but I want to see how many
12:56:10 people are going to speak so I can reserve time.
12:56:12 That's nine minutes.
12:56:13 So I'm a minute over already by the clock here.
12:56:16 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I want to make a motion.
12:56:21 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: All right.
12:56:23 I would like you to include in whatever your motion is to
12:56:26 extend this thing to a later date so we can have the
12:56:28 information from code enforcement on what type of problems,
12:56:32 something so that we can understand and have a better grasp of
12:56:37 I will yield to Ms. Montelione at this time.
12:56:39 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Well, I said this before, but I love
12:56:44 sitting next to Mr. Cohen because he comes up with great
12:56:47 And I would like to motion that legal department look into and
12:56:51 come back with some resultant research on collecting
12:57:01 reimbursement costs for those properties, whether it's mowing,
12:57:09 or debris removal, or for demolition, prior to it becoming
12:57:20 I would like to have the budget office come back with a
12:57:30 mechanism whereby any revenue collected from the placement of
12:57:42 fines, liens, citations, whatever form it takes, be dedicated
12:57:46 into an account for the sole use of the code enforcement
12:57:53 >> And I can understand exactly what do you but if we can hold
12:58:04 this to a regular council meeting, this is a workshop and I
12:58:07 don't want to get the two mixed up.
12:58:08 >> We have motioned before in workshops.
12:58:14 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I will let the attorney answer that.
12:58:15 >>LISA MONTELIONE: For staff to come back.
12:58:19 >>MARTIN SHELBY: The rules state that no official action be
12:58:24 taken unless the public is afforded the opportunity to comment
12:58:26 prior to action.
12:58:27 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Okay.
12:58:29 So I'll make the motions after the public --
12:58:32 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: We have three people, nine minutes.
12:58:33 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Keep those written down because I don't
12:58:36 know they'll be able to say them again that same way.
12:58:40 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Can I go to the public section?
12:58:41 Three minutes each?
12:58:50 >> Pete Johnson, 510 Harrison street.
12:58:53 I have been studying code for now 20 years, and nothing has
12:58:59 It's the process.
12:59:01 Every single one of those books that four months -- every
12:59:06 single one of those books are code violations that either were
12:59:11 written up or were violated or something or other, and each
12:59:17 one has a history of violation.
12:59:21 Whether a violation is a violation when it goes to the code
12:59:24 board, and it's found to be a violation, that's not the point.
12:59:29 The point is these people realize that there is no
12:59:36 Every single one of those are repetitive violators.
12:59:41 The process needs to be changed.
12:59:44 You get a violation, like you get a ticket, okay?
12:59:48 You go to court.
12:59:49 You go to the hearing master.
12:59:51 Or you go to the Code Enforcement Board.
12:59:53 They determine whether or not on that date, at that time, the
12:59:57 violations did occur.
12:59:59 If you correct the violation prior to the hearing, no fines.
01:00:05 But you are found in violation, because on that date at that
01:00:10 time, that officer witness add violation.
01:00:15 They have pictures.
01:00:17 This way, the board can tell them, you come back, and we are
01:00:21 going to kick your butt.
01:00:23 This is getting ridiculous.
01:00:25 Don't let it happen again.
01:00:28 We can go on to repeat violation then.
01:00:30 We can go on to other forms of legislation to enforce the
01:00:35 But there is no enforcement.
01:00:38 There are cases that have been going on for years that have
01:00:42 never come into compliance.
01:00:46 The book I gave you was examples of cases, open and closed,
01:00:53 open and closed, open and closed, cases where land development
01:00:59 has said simply because it's not a health risk, no we are not
01:01:04 going to take it any further.
01:01:06 Sooner or later, the guy will have to deal with it.
01:01:09 The guy doesn't give a damn.
01:01:14 Guessing to go bankrupt on his property and then where will we
01:01:17 There is no enforcement at all.
01:01:21 Liens do not enforce codes.
01:01:23 You have proven that again in the books.
01:01:25 Where one company had hundreds of thousands worth of liens.
01:01:30 We settle Ford 15,000.
01:01:32 And then goes right back and does the exact same violation
01:01:37 Come on, people.
01:01:39 It is the process.
01:01:41 When you get a violation, you need to be heard by your peers.
01:01:45 If you correct the violation, no problem.
01:01:53 But then you are considered a repeat violator.
01:01:55 This goes on with trailer parks.
01:01:57 With trailer parks we had one trailer.
01:01:59 It's ridiculous.
01:02:00 You have to hit the address and hit all of the trailers rather
01:02:04 than one.
01:02:04 (Bell sounds)
01:02:07 But this going on and on and on, because nobody respects --
01:02:13 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
01:02:14 Next, please.
01:02:14 >>> Good afternoon.
01:02:17 Don Rhode, 412 Madison street.
01:02:20 Only in reference to the placement of the a banded signs, the
01:02:28 illegal signs, snipe signs, I guess they are called.
01:02:30 This is a very old issue.
01:02:32 It's like a news flash from the 1990s.
01:02:37 I know code enforcement officers, supervisors even that no
01:02:42 longer work for the City of Tampa because they are dead now.
01:02:47 That explain the policy of this sign collection business back
01:02:50 The remark from the chair earlier that if you live long
01:02:54 enough, you will outlive by effort the sign places.
01:02:59 It's not true.
01:03:00 That's why we have the signs there now because that's one of
01:03:02 the tactics is to just go out and collect signs.
01:03:05 One of the council people said she had a trunk full of. They
01:03:08 I can item you right now there's another trunkful of them
01:03:10 sitting at the corner of Fowler Avenue and I-275 right now.
01:03:17 If we are going to use the police to enforce other obscure
01:03:20 provisions of Tampa's municipal code, why not use the police
01:03:25 department to enforce the ban on the placement of the sign?
01:03:31 Instead of going out and looking for the retailer or the guy
01:03:34 who has a missing pet or the guy who wants to have a yard
01:03:38 sale, why not tag the person who places the sign?
01:03:43 That's your so-called criminal, if that's what he is.
01:03:47 And Mr. Chairman, in reference to that description earlier,
01:03:52 you are on the evolution of stupid, I realize this isn't a
01:03:56 church, but amen.
01:03:59 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Next, please.
01:04:00 Thank you.
01:04:00 >> I'm reverend Koffman senior, and I have the sign problem.
01:04:17 We see other enforcement -- I mean, agencies use, and it's
01:04:26 good to have officers that go out and write up for accidents
01:04:29 or whatever, and lose time in being -- if we could get code
01:04:36 enforcement, if they would go check out, you know,
01:04:48 understanding they might go remove signs, or talk to the
01:04:53 people who have the problem.
01:04:56 It can be legal counsel.
01:05:00 If you have someone identified that need to be tooken care of,
01:05:05 would you free up more, if you hired independent person to do
01:05:14 that, you will free up -- you would have more, and that's
01:05:22 something we need to look into.
01:05:24 But also on the sign issue,
01:05:27 We will be arresting a lot of kids if we arrest someone
01:05:30 putting the signs up, because people hire young kids to go put
01:05:34 those signs up.
01:05:35 And they just tell the kids, put the signs out, don't care
01:05:38 where you put them, you don't know me, I don't know you, here
01:05:41 is cash he's gone.
01:05:43 So if you all are finding the -- arresting the kids for
01:05:49 putting the sign in the wrong place, because they don't know
01:05:52 where to put them.
01:05:52 They put them where they are told.
01:05:54 They want to make a few dollars.
01:05:56 Also, most of you all are the people who put out the signs.
01:06:05 So we ought to look at those, too.
01:06:08 You all are part of the law when it's election time, as well
01:06:12 as you want the other people to follow the law when it's not
01:06:15 election time.
01:06:17 I see your signs all up on every corner, I-75, and --
01:06:26 >> I'm sorry, the law allows for that and we pick them up
01:06:30 >> Thank you.
01:06:32 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Anyone else in the audience who wishes to
01:06:35 speak and has not been earlier?
01:06:37 Mrs. Montelione?
01:06:38 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Can you read back what I had said before?
01:06:41 >> I'll try.
01:06:48 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: She's going to make that motion.
01:06:50 >>LISA MONTELIONE: And hopefully we'll get a second.
01:06:51 >> The legal department come back with some result of research
01:06:56 on collecting reimbursement, costs for those properties we
01:07:05 have abated, mowing, debris removal, prior to it becoming a
01:07:14 lien, and she would also like the budget office to come back
01:07:19 with a mechanism whereby any revenue collected from the sign
01:07:27 by dedicating sole use of the code enforcement division.
01:07:32 >>LISA MONTELIONE: And the last part is what Ms. Cole talked
01:07:38 about -- not Ms. Cole, Ms. Coyle talked about earlier about
01:07:43 the revision to the sign code that is being worked on.
01:07:47 So if we could have that come back under staff report, and if
01:07:52 we could identify a date of May 17th for that to come back
01:08:04 under staff reports at 10:00 a.m.
01:08:08 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: That's fine.
01:08:09 Do I hear a second?
01:08:10 >>HARRY COHEN: Second.
01:08:12 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have three seconds.
01:08:14 Thank you all for being the second.
01:08:16 I go with Mr. Suarez on a close vote with Mrs. Capin and Mr.
01:08:20 All in favor of that motion please indicate by saying aye.
01:08:23 Opposed, nay.
01:08:24 The ayes have it unanimously.
01:08:29 Anything else on this subject matter?
01:08:32 New business, left to right.
01:08:34 Mrs. Montelione.
01:08:34 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I have three pieces of new business.
01:08:37 One is to schedule a public workshop on May 24th at 10:00
01:08:43 This is at the request of Thom Snelling from planning and
01:08:48 development division to discuss the January 2012 text
01:08:51 amendment cycle, which includes some recommendations on Mayor
01:08:54 Buckhorn's economic competitiveness.
01:08:57 >>HARRY COHEN: Second.
01:09:00 >> May 24th at 10:00.
01:09:01 >> I have a motion by Mrs. Montelione, second by Mr. Cohen.
01:09:05 All in favor?
01:09:07 The ayes have it unanimously.
01:09:09 >>LISA MONTELIONE: The second is I would like to ask of my
01:09:12 fellow council members a motion to have a letter prepared on
01:09:16 behalf of the council for the chairman's signature to Florida
01:09:19 governor Rick Scott in support of budget line item 377-A which
01:09:25 would provide $2 million in funding for homeless coalition as
01:09:30 cross the State of Florida.
01:09:30 >> Second.
01:09:33 >>LISA MONTELIONE: This is part of house bill 5001, general
01:09:37 appropriations act budget bill, which is on its way to the
01:09:40 governor for signature.
01:09:41 The homeless coalition of Hillsborough County needs our help
01:09:44 and support in securing these vital funds.
01:09:49 So call the governor's office.
01:09:50 Please call 850-488-7146 or e-mail the governor at
01:09:58 www.FLGOV.com and click on house bill 5001, line item 377-A.
01:10:10 From what I understand, our own Hillsborough County homeless
01:10:13 coalition stands to lose $72,000 of vital funding.
01:10:19 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Motion by Mrs. Montelione, second by Ms.
01:10:21 Capin on a close vote with Mr. Suarez.
01:10:24 All in favor?
01:10:27 The ayes have it unanimously.
01:10:28 >>LISA MONTELIONE: And the final one on a much lighter note I
01:10:31 would like to take a moment to invite my fellow council
01:10:34 members and members of the public to the ninth annual New
01:10:37 Tampa rotary fest Saturday may 5 from 10 to 3 at St. Mark's
01:10:45 Catholic church.
01:10:47 Proceeds from the event will go to over 40 local schools and
01:10:50 charities such as the girls and boy scouts of New Tampa crisis
01:10:53 center of Tampa Bay, the homeless coalition, special Olympics,
01:10:58 Relay for Life and many more.
01:11:01 Visit rotary.com for information.
01:11:04 That is May 5th.
01:11:08 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Okay, thank you.
01:11:09 I would love to go but I will be at the rockers.
01:11:14 Mr. Cohen.
01:11:14 >>HARRY COHEN: I believe there was a walk-on item of new
01:11:17 business that was brought to us by the council attorney
01:11:21 approving ratifying and confirm the reappointment of Rick
01:11:27 Barcena as member of the City of Tampa Code Enforcement Board
01:11:30 for a three-year term commencing April 1st, 2012 ending
01:11:33 March 31st, 2015 approving, ratifying and confirm the
01:11:37 appointment of Rita Maniscalco commencing March 13, 2012
01:11:46 ending March 14, 2015 providing an effective date.
01:11:50 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: There was one more, wasn't there?
01:11:53 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Council received three of them.
01:11:58 You don't have to read the title.
01:11:59 But having said those, all that does is to ratify your
01:12:03 decision of the prior meeting.
01:12:06 And incorporating the next two resolutions as well.
01:12:10 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Motion by Mr. Cohen, second by Mr. Suarez.
01:12:12 All in favor?
01:12:13 The ayes have it unanimously.
01:12:16 Ms. Capin.
01:12:18 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Nothing.
01:12:20 >>FRANK REDDICK: I think most of us if not all of us have
01:12:24 heard about the tragedy that took place in Sanford, Florida,
01:12:28 the young man Trayvon Martin.
01:12:32 And that people all across this country are sending a strong
01:12:38 message to the sheriff there that something needs to be done
01:12:44 as well as the state attorney and the Justice Department that
01:12:47 something needs to be done to ratify this injustice.
01:12:50 I just want to let the people know in Tampa, Hillsborough
01:12:55 County, that on Tuesday, March 27th, I am sponsoring a
01:13:01 rally in support of Trayvon Martin and his family, and this
01:13:05 will be held at the 34th street church of God, the
01:13:09 reverend Thomas Scott.
01:13:10 He has graciously allowed me to hold this at his church.
01:13:17 I would like everyone in the community to come out at 6:00
01:13:21 And it doesn't make a difference whether you are Hispanic,
01:13:23 black or white, we just want justice to be done for all.
01:13:28 And I'm just asking everyone in the community to come out, be
01:13:31 a part of this event.
01:13:34 It won't last long but we want to show our support.
01:13:39 This is in New York, Miami, in Tallahassee, and they are doing
01:13:44 a special rally in Tampa.
01:13:46 So this is Tuesday, March 27th, 6:00 p.m., and the
01:13:51 reverend Thomas Scott church located on 34th street,
01:13:55 34th street church of God, and I would like people to come
01:13:58 out and show their respect to the family.
01:14:00 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
01:14:00 And I appreciate you saying those words.
01:14:02 They are true.
01:14:04 >>YVONNE CAPIN: They are absolutely true.
01:14:06 I didn't intend to say this.
01:14:08 It was not on my list.
01:14:09 But I will say this, that maybe we can send a letter to our
01:14:15 governor and to our legislators on the "stand your ground"
01:14:23 law, and really look at that.
01:14:26 It's not an excuse, but it definitely has been brought up.
01:14:30 So I would like to see us send a letter --
01:14:34 >>HARRY COHEN: Friendly amendment.
01:14:36 Send it to the attorney general as well because she has
01:14:42 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I don't know, why don't you get with the
01:14:45 city attorney and work it out, and your motion is in order.
01:14:49 I have a second by Mrs. Capin made the motion, second by Mrs.
01:14:53 >> I want to be clear about it.
01:14:55 I take it that your motion is that you are asking for
01:14:58 repeal --
01:15:00 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: She's going to get with you.
01:15:01 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I guess motion would be to bring it back to
01:15:05 Or do you want to just trust me?
01:15:08 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Believe me, I won't sign it unless it meets
01:15:10 the qualifications.
01:15:14 That solves that problem.
01:15:15 [ Laughter ]
01:15:16 I have a motion by Mrs. Capin, second by Mrs. Montelione.
01:15:19 All in favor?
01:15:21 The ayes have it unanimously.
01:15:22 Anything else, Mrs. Capin?
01:15:24 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Yes.
01:15:24 I would like to wish our receptionist Kathryn Jones a happy
01:15:29 Today is her last City Council meeting.
01:15:31 And she has worked for the City of Tampa for 44 years and ten
01:15:36 months, and will be retiring next week.
01:15:38 >> Second.
01:15:42 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
01:15:43 >>MIKE SUAREZ: A couple of things, Mr. Chair.
01:15:48 One, I would like to make a motion for a commendation to
01:15:51 commemorate April as water conservation month to be presented
01:15:56 at a later date.
01:15:57 >> Second.
01:15:59 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Motion by Mr. Suarez, second by Mr. Cohen.
01:16:01 All in favor?
01:16:02 The ayes have it unanimously.
01:16:03 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Second, I would like to have council approval
01:16:08 for commendation for pop Cuesta, the baseball coach for
01:16:14 Jefferson high school, very good school, by the way, Mr.
01:16:17 Chair, that he has just won his 600th game, just won the
01:16:23 Saladino tournament, which I think at what times second time
01:16:25 he has ever won it, if I am not mistaken, after 42 years of
01:16:29 We are not sure.
01:16:31 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: He's not that old.
01:16:32 >>MIKE SUAREZ: That's what he says.
01:16:36 I just think that that's a great accomplishment, to be in
01:16:41 coaching for as long as he has to get 600 wins and also to be
01:16:45 at the same school for as long as he has.
01:16:47 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: We'll work it out.
01:16:49 But that's a great thing.
01:16:51 I think he's only the second coach in Hillsborough County to
01:16:53 ever win 600 games.
01:16:54 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I think you are right.
01:16:57 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: And I won 599 pitching.
01:16:59 I have a motion by Mr. Suarez, second by Mrs. Capin.
01:17:04 All in favor?
01:17:05 The ayes have it unanimously.
01:17:06 Anything else, sir?
01:17:08 >>MIKE SUAREZ: No.
01:17:09 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Receive and file?
01:17:12 Motion to receive and file by Mr. Suarez, second by Mr. Cohen.
01:17:15 All in favor?
01:17:17 The ayes have it unanimously.
01:17:18 Anything else to come before this council?
01:17:20 [Sounding gavel]
01:17:25 (City Council meeting adjourned)
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