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TAMPA CITY COUNCIL

Thursday, March 22, 2012

9:00 A.M. Workshop Session


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09:06:54 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: City Council is called to order.

09:06:57 The chair yields to Councilman Suarez.

09:07:00 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I would like to introduce Jane Hillman

09:07:06 McDonnough, senior pastor of Faith Life Church which she

09:07:09 founded in August 1998.

09:07:10 Pastor Jane began her ministerial career in 1980 and has been

09:07:14 involved in full time ministry since 1989.

09:07:17 She holds a BA in elementary education from Southeast

09:07:22 University in Lakeland, Florida, received her credentials and

09:07:23 is ordained under the auspices of the Association of Faith

09:07:27 Churches Ministry.

09:07:28 Pastor Jane graduated from Rhema Bible training center and

09:07:34 ministerial association international in Tulsa, Oklahoma.

09:07:38 She's the regional director of ACFM over the State of Florida.

09:07:42 She and her husband Jeff and her sons Steven and Ethan reside

09:07:48 in the Tampa area.

09:07:48 They also have family living in Minnesota.

09:07:51 Pastor, can you come and give us the invocation?

09:07:54 Please rise and stay standing for the pledge of allegiance.

09:07:57 >>> Pastor Jane Hillman McDonnough: Lord, we just come to you

09:07:59 today, and we thank you for the privilege that we have in our

09:08:01 nation of looking to you for wisdom, and we do that just today

09:08:05 with this council meeting.

09:08:06 Father God, we acknowledge that you are the source, and you

09:08:09 told us to pray for those who lead us so we do that today for

09:08:14 the council members.

09:08:15 Lord, we thank you that everything that's present today, all

09:08:17 the workshop, all the honors that go on today, Lord, let us do

09:08:21 it in a way with your wisdom for the solutions are brought

09:08:27 forth.

09:08:28 We thank you that the Tampa Bay area prospers today because of

09:08:31 this meeting.

09:08:32 We thank you for your continued prosperity for the City of

09:08:34 Tampa and for the people, and thank you for leaders who are

09:08:37 leading us, for you told us to honor them, and we honor the

09:08:41 council members today, we honor their families, bless them.

09:08:44 Lord, we thank you that you continue to prosper our city.

09:08:48 We thank you for your wisdom, for your prosperity.


09:08:51 We thank you in Jesus' name.

09:08:54 Amen.

09:08:54 [ Pledge of Allegiance ]

09:09:08 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Roll call.

09:09:14 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Here.

09:09:17 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Present.

09:09:18 >>FRANK REDDICK: Here.

09:09:21 >>HARRY COHEN: Here.

09:09:24 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Here.

09:09:29 Okay, the first item on the agenda is a presentation,

09:09:34 commendation police Officer of the Month, Councilman Reddick.

09:09:43 Chief Castor.

09:09:44 >> Thank you, and good morning, council, those who sit in the

09:09:48 audience.

09:09:48 It's my pleasure to present to you for Officer of the Month

09:09:52 for the month of March Corporal William McKendree.

09:09:57 And I will turn it over to the chief.

09:09:58 >> Chief Castor: Thank you again for the opportunity to bring

09:10:04 one of Tampa's best and brightest before you, and certainly

09:10:07 Robbie McKendree is a great example of all that is good about

09:10:11 the Tampa Police Department.

09:10:14 We had an award ceremony last week, and I think that Robbie

09:10:19 has been at every single one of those ceremonies since I have

09:10:23 been chief, giving some sort of recognition or award.

09:10:27 So it's my honor to recognize him as Officer of the Month.




09:10:31 Just to keep it brief so we are not here through dinner, I

09:10:34 will just highlight one incident that he was involved in.

09:10:37 On December 15th of last year there was an elderly female

09:10:41 that was parking her car in her apartment complex when she was

09:10:44 approached by two men who struck her in the head with a pistol

09:10:47 and stole her purse and her vehicle.

09:10:51 Within minutes of that, Corporal McKendree, who is has one

09:10:59 of our ROC squads, he saw this Toyota Corolla that had been

09:11:03 stolen.

09:11:03 He also noticed that there was a white Yukon behind it and

09:11:08 thought that these two were involved.

09:11:10 So he gave this information to communications and surrounding

09:11:14 units, and they learned in quick order that the white Yukon

09:11:20 had been stolen in a carjacking in Largo some short period

09:11:24 before this.

09:11:26 So he coordinated all of the one, two and three units, air

09:11:31 service, to come in and do a block-in of this vehicle.

09:11:35 And those are very difficult to do.

09:11:37 It looks simple on paper, but to get three vehicles to block

09:11:40 another moving vehicle in with no harm, no foul, isn't very

09:11:43 easy.

09:11:45 They were able to block the car in, and Robbie McKendree

09:11:51 arrested two suspects, and also took the pistol and the

09:11:55 woman's purse, recovered all of that.

09:11:58 A short pursuit ensued with the GMC Yukon, and this car




09:12:03 finally was stopped and the driver of that car was captured as

09:12:07 well.

09:12:07 So he was able to, within probably an hour of this offense

09:12:12 occurring, take the suspects into custody, and also get a gun

09:12:16 and the woman's purse back for her.

09:12:19 And who knows what these guys had done.

09:12:21 They had already done a carjacking, armed robbery. Who knows

09:12:24 what they were on their way to do.

09:12:27 He's an outstanding leader in the department.

09:12:31 Everybody looks up to him.

09:12:32 As I said, he's a supervisor, and a rapid offender control

09:12:36 unit, does a great job there, and he's also a member of our

09:12:40 tactical response team, our swat team.

09:12:43 He is a shining example of the Tampa Police Department, and if

09:12:46 I were council, I would keep my eye on him because he's

09:12:51 definitely going to move through the ranks of this department.

09:12:53 It's my honor to recognize Robbie McKendree as Officer of

09:12:58 the Month for March 2012.

09:13:02 [ Applause ]

09:13:03 >> On behalf of the City Council, we would like to present

09:13:09 this commendation to you as being selected as the Officer of

09:13:13 the Month for the month of March.

09:13:16 Congratulations to you.

09:13:17 >> Chip Deblonk, Tampa PBA.

09:13:32 We have a $100 gift certificate.




09:13:34 >> Donna McBride with Straz center.

09:13:39 Thank you so much for your service and all you are doing for

09:13:40 the city.

09:13:41 We would like to present you with two tickets to taste of

09:13:44 Tampa Bay come up.

09:13:46 Thank you.

09:13:47 >> Steve Stickley representing Stepps towing service and Jim,

09:13:53 Judy, Todd step.

09:13:55 On behalf of them we would like to present this small token of

09:13:58 our appreciation for a job very well done.

09:14:00 We really appreciate what you do out there.

09:14:02 And we also have a gift certificate to Lee Roy Selmons.

09:14:08 Keep up the good work.

09:14:09 Thank you.

09:14:09 >> Joe Dirkin, Bright House networks.

09:14:16 On behalf of all of the Bright House networks,

09:14:19 congratulations.

09:14:20 We give you one month free of high speed service to Bright

09:14:27 House.

09:14:28 >> I'm Frank DeSoto representing Bill Currie Ford and the

09:14:35 curry family.

09:14:36 We are here this morning to congratulate you on a really good

09:14:39 job and present with you this watch.

09:14:42 >> These hot pink roses are really not for you, they are for

09:14:52 your significant other.




09:15:05 >>STEVE MICHELINI: I'm here on behalf of a couple of people,

09:15:07 and we promise not to take a picture of you with the flowers.

09:15:11 [ Laughter ]

09:15:14 On behalf of prestige photos, we are going to provide you with

09:15:17 a gift certificate for you and your family to have your

09:15:19 photographs taken, and it will be a nice portrait for you and

09:15:24 your family.

09:15:25 On behalf of Bern's steakhouse, a gift certificate to enjoy

09:15:29 yourself at Bern's.

09:15:30 Congratulations.

09:15:31 And I just want to say that when you believe in the best, the

09:15:33 best comes forward.

09:15:35 And we are happy to be here to congratulate you.

09:15:36 >> Thank you.

09:15:44 [ Applause ]

09:15:57 >> I want to say thank you, one to my supervisors and staff

09:16:01 for nominating me to be here today for you.

09:16:05 I want to thank you.

09:16:07 I want to thank my wife. And I have two young children that

09:16:12 support me so much in my career.

09:16:15 I also want to thank corporal Brian bridgeman who was the

09:16:20 first officer there to assist me on the day that was mentioned

09:16:25 and help me box in this vehicle.

09:16:27 I couldn't do that by myself, so he was there quick and

09:16:30 responded very quickly and helped me out with that.




09:16:39 I want to say that I work with a lot of officers at Tampa

09:16:43 Police Department, and I'm truly honored to be selected from

09:16:46 that group to be here before you today.

09:16:49 Thank you very much.

09:16:54 [ Applause ]

09:16:59 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: At this time, before we go to item number

09:17:24 2, the chair yield to Mr. Frank Reddick.

09:17:27 >>FRANK REDDICK: Thank you, Mr. Chair.

09:17:30 You see a group of people sitting in the audience with a lot

09:17:33 of red on, and you notice this is not Valentine's day.

09:17:39 So we are honored to recognize the ladies of dealt Sigma Theta

09:17:45 sorority who are here City Council, and on behalf of Tampa

09:17:55 City Council, we would like to welcome you here, hope you have

09:17:58 a pleasant experience.

09:18:02 I understand you are going to meet with the mayor, and we just

09:18:10 want to thank you for come out this morning.

09:18:14 And does someone want to speak on your behalf?

09:18:17 You can come to the podium and do so.

09:18:22 >> Good morning.

09:18:24 Thank you.

09:18:25 My name is Ashley Jones, and with me are my sorority sisters

09:18:30 representing Tampa chapters here in Tampa with Tampa

09:18:35 metropolitan chapter, and -- Tampa metropolitan chapters.

09:18:44 Delta Sigma theta is a sorority, international organization

09:18:47 with over 200,000 members.




09:18:48 Our organization has been at the forefront of social issues

09:18:52 since 1913.

09:18:54 We declared today at City Hall and we are here to witness

09:19:00 local government in action, to collectively participate in

09:19:03 advancing our legislative agenda that impacts us in the

09:19:07 communities that we serve.

09:19:08 Again we thank you for allowing us to be your guests here, and

09:19:11 we look forward to serving along with you and making Tampa

09:19:14 better.

09:19:16 [ Applause ]

09:19:18 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.

09:19:24 Item number 2, Yolie Capin.

09:19:45 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Item number 2 is Hispanic achiever grant

09:19:51 presentation.

09:19:51 I am going to introduce three people to you.

09:19:53 Mr. Dennis Freytes.

09:20:00 Lisa Pietri.

09:20:05 And -- (off microphone)

09:20:13 Chairman. Hispanic achiever grant council, and Dennis is

09:20:21 administrator of the Hispanic achievers license plate and

09:20:26 that's what they are going to talk about.

09:20:28 Santiago Carrada, if you will, will be presenting the

09:20:32 commendation from City Council as I asked and he graciously

09:20:38 agreed to do.

09:20:38 >> Good morning.




09:20:43 It's always a pleasure for me to appear before you.

09:20:45 Thank you, Councilwoman Capin, for asking me to do this very,

09:20:49 very special presentation this morning.

09:20:51 It's truly an honor for me to present the City Council

09:20:54 commendation recognizing American Hispanic achievers for

09:20:59 introducing the first and historic American Hispanic achievers

09:21:03 license plate in the State of Florida.

09:21:05 This license plate is a means for Florida to recognize the

09:21:08 great achievements and accomplishments of American Hispanics

09:21:12 while providing funding to not for profits to assist their

09:21:16 communities.

09:21:17 The more plates we sell, the more contributions will go to

09:21:21 communities throughout our state.

09:21:22 Hispanic achievers Florida license plate was introduced and

09:21:26 passed in both Florida house and Senate and signed into law by

09:21:29 our governor.

09:21:30 Tampa City Council commends American Hispanic achievers for

09:21:33 its foresight in detailing and honoring the contributions of

09:21:36 Hispanic communities, the contribution of the Hispanic

09:21:41 community to the history and social economic emergence of our

09:21:44 state of Hispanics.

09:21:46 Again on behalf of our City Council, thank you so much for

09:21:48 allowing me the pleasure this morning.

09:21:50 Thank you for recognizing the achievements of Hispanics in our

09:21:54 state and throughout our country.




09:21:55 Thank you so very, very much.

09:22:00 [ Applause ]

09:22:10 >>> My name is Lisa Pietri for the U.S. Hispanic achievers.

09:22:17 This is a great honor on behalf of a nonprofit receiving this

09:22:25 commendation.

09:22:26 We appreciate so much the honor of the council of the City of

09:22:28 Tampa, also of Councilwoman Capin, and receiving her support,

09:22:38 and from the City of Tampa.

09:22:41 I would also like to recognize the hard work of Dennis with

09:22:47 our Executive Committee planning council chair and also many

09:22:53 entities, and thank you so much.

09:22:59 And we are willing to share some information about our

09:23:02 nonprofit with all of you.

09:23:03 >> (Speaking Spanish)

09:23:18 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I was going to suggest that considering what

09:23:27 the license says, we have one of the Hispanic achievers in the

09:23:30 back, Mr. Martinez, and of course Mr. Miranda.

09:23:34 And we are not sure if it comes with age or comes with

09:23:37 accomplishments, but you have got both on your side.

09:23:40 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: It comes with baldness.

09:23:46 >>YVONNE CAPIN: They are historic Hispanic achievers.

09:23:49 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Ms. Capin, I am going to say this.

09:23:56 This moment of life, lie down and I see E.J., five minute, and

09:24:02 I am going to take five hours, and I was a little startled.

09:24:07 So I am going to hold to you five minutes and make you




09:24:09 responsible for whatever you are going to say.

09:24:12 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Thank you.

09:24:13 Okay.

09:24:18 Would you like to start the presentation?

09:24:20 Because following is a presentation from the Hispanic

09:24:24 achievers.

09:24:36 >>> We have a brief presentation.

09:24:44 I will promise only a three-minute presentation because we

09:24:47 think it is very important for people what is behind the

09:24:56 historic license plate is really being supported.

09:25:01 Nationally, statewide and in our beloved Florida.

09:25:06 So I would like to begin the presentation.

09:25:10 It's already there.

09:25:10 On the Web site, national Hispanic corporate achievers.

09:25:14 We are known as Hispanic achievers, and we are a 29-year-old

09:25:18 nonprofit, community based, to provide opportunities for

09:25:26 progress for the many volunteers that participate with us in

09:25:34 accomplishing our mission.

09:25:35 It will be very difficult to reach our goals without them.

09:25:41 We would like to thank council and the committees statewide

09:25:43 and nationwide, and by accomplishing our mission we have

09:25:48 different ways to do so.

09:25:49 For example, in order to report to the community about the

09:25:54 issues that are existing in our community, we have an English

09:25:58 language TV show called Hispanics which is aired weekly on




09:26:05 BrightHouse Network.

09:26:06 Also promoting the hiring, retention and promoting Hispanics

09:26:10 at the professional corporate level and other levels.

09:26:12 We have our diversity that we do several times during the

09:26:17 year.

09:26:17 We also have a program which enhances the education and

09:26:21 awareness of individuals with disabilities, and the first

09:26:27 Hispanic automobile license plate which was briefly already

09:26:31 introduced, and Dennis will talk a little more about the

09:26:36 license plate.

09:26:40 Another program that we have is crucial nationwide on April

09:26:51 7th in Orlando, we are providing an educational program

09:26:55 called immigration summit, and different panels with law

09:27:02 enforcement, education, organizations and other experts, and

09:27:06 which we will be talking about the different aspects.

09:27:09 And we provide student support programs like cars for student

09:27:18 programs in which we ask deal towers give donations, and

09:27:21 leading students to give out and award these cars by elected

09:27:27 officials.

09:27:28 We also have the scholarships and different foundations that

09:27:34 we have in different educational systems.

09:27:36 We also support Hispanic small businesses by providing

09:27:42 Hispanic achievers, our Web site and other chapters that we

09:27:46 have, we continue with our educational events, and ways to

09:27:52 recognize Hispanic talents in corporate America.




09:27:56 This and many other programs that we do will not be possible

09:28:00 without the support of many organizations, private, public,

09:28:03 and people appointed as ambassadors helping us accomplish our

09:28:07 goals, and the challenge that we have now about the Hispanic

09:28:10 license plate.

09:28:16 And this last slide that I am presenting is showing the

09:28:20 founders, Mr. Danny Ramos, the chairman and founder of

09:28:24 national Hispanic achievers, and a very good friend and

09:28:30 sponsor of our nonprofit, and then you will see pictures with

09:28:33 elected officials, the Hispanic license plate and continue

09:28:39 providing their support, and was mentioned that we have other

09:28:43 elected official as round Florida.

09:28:46 So it will be to share with Dennis, and the chair of our

09:28:57 council for doing the wonderful work in informing the

09:29:00 community about our goals with Hispanic license plates.

09:29:04 Thank you so much.

09:29:05 >> Thank you, Lisa. It's really an honor and a pleasure to be

09:29:10 here before this great City Commission of the great City of

09:29:15 Tampa. I'm Colonel Dennis Freytes, U.S. Army Retired, I

09:29:21 commanded infantry, special forces and humanitarian missions

09:29:25 and now a community servant.

09:29:27 So I am here with a presentation.

09:29:30 It's going to be short and simple hopefully, but it's very

09:29:34 powerful because we have the first license plate in the

09:29:37 nation.




09:29:38 I will talk about the license plate and then also talk about

09:29:42 the 500 Florida celebration that we are celebrating the

09:29:47 discovery of Florida, and we want to make sure that have been.

09:30:00 I will cover it very quickly, because the license plate, we

09:30:03 made it, in central Florida, the official license plate

09:30:07 Florida celebration.

09:30:09 The Hispanic achievers license plate is a way for Florida to

09:30:14 absolute the contributions of Florida's Hispanics.

09:30:16 Many times American Hispanics are elbowed out of history.

09:30:28 Hispanics have loyally protected the American flag and their

09:30:32 community.

09:30:32 This license plate is a recognition of those positive efforts

09:30:36 in the American Hispanic community.

09:30:40 Like was mentioned, it was an initiative of Danny Ramos.

09:30:44 The bill was introduced by speaker cannon and by senator

09:30:52 Sippling.

09:30:53 The first organizer and plate, Danny Ramos and Lisa, the first

09:31:00 plate administrator.

09:31:01 We aim to recognize and honor all contributions, and we want

09:31:05 to include our American Hispanics in there.

09:31:09 Our mission is to promote a market, because if we don't market

09:31:12 the plate, if we don't promote it, we don't have more funds.

09:31:17 Now, these funds come to the community.

09:31:20 90% of the funds are for community programs.

09:31:24 It includes Tampa, it includes the whole State of Florida.




09:31:27 So we have a council.

09:31:28 That council -- we also develop other revenue streams.

09:31:33 We evaluate the grants.

09:31:35 I have been on the heart of Florida and United Way council, so

09:31:38 I want to make sure we properly serve the community.

09:31:45 And by doing that, by having this grant council, we evaluate

09:31:49 the proposals, make sure they go to good news use and make

09:31:54 sure the community gets that money back.

09:31:57 So 90% goes back, so it's very important to support.

09:32:01 Only 10% for administration.

09:32:06 We also want to serve our community.

09:32:11 We want to communicate.

09:32:12 It's an open, transparent program that we have.

09:32:18 You might say, well, if I explain, it would take me the whole

09:32:24 day.

09:32:24 But I'm an old organization guy.

09:32:26 Military, we always like to see things organized, well done,

09:32:31 and we want to accomplish our mission.

09:32:32 So that's the organization.

09:32:36 Basically it is made up of community leaders, community

09:32:38 service, because we have to serve our community.

09:32:42 That's a picture when we had the Florida -- I mean, the Puerto

09:32:45 Rico Secretary of State.

09:32:46 He's right there in the middle.

09:32:48 He's the guy -- also the lieutenant governor of Puerto Rico.




09:32:54 He came when we did the first of these p presentations, we

09:32:57 were at the Orlando City Hall at that time, and we had the

09:33:00 Orlando mayor and everybody else.

09:33:02 We also had state representatives there and other people,

09:33:07 community leaders.

09:33:09 And never doubt that a small group of powerful committed

09:33:12 citizens can change the world.

09:33:13 And we are here to change the world for the better.

09:33:18 That's some of the pictures.

09:33:19 We have Governor Scott from Florida supporting the effort.

09:33:22 The other picture is the governor from Puerto Rico, and the

09:33:27 third picture is president Uribe from Columbia.

09:33:33 That was after he was president.

09:33:35 And we have Danny Ramos, and I think Lisa Pietri is in the

09:33:45 other picture.

09:33:47 So we have support from not only here but from Puerto Rico.

09:33:50 There's 850,000 Puerto Ricans living here, Hispanic population

09:33:57 within Florida, and the second largest Hispanic population

09:34:01 within the United States.

09:34:03 Now, we are all Americans first.

09:34:05 But we then have our ethnicity and our heritage because we

09:34:09 have to be united as Americans.

09:34:12 A little bit of the background of the place and why I mention

09:34:16 about not letting a Hispanic group be marginalized is the

09:34:21 first governor of Puerto Rico, Ponce DeLeon, organized the




09:34:24 expedition, and he sailed from Puerto Rico -- and by the way,

09:34:29 he is buried in Puerto Rico -- discovered Florida in 1513.

09:34:33 He was in search of the island of Bimini, but he came here and

09:34:37 hit Florida.

09:34:38 So he put Florida on the map, and also, at the same time, he

09:34:44 named Florida because of the Easter season of when he

09:34:47 discovered Florida.

09:34:49 In 2013, it's going to be 500 years from that momentous

09:34:55 occasion.

09:34:56 And with this celebration, the Florida Secretary of State

09:35:00 said, we want to recognize everybody's contributions to the

09:35:05 forming of Florida. But we don't want to leave out the great

09:35:08 contributions of our Hispanics, and I'll say the European

09:35:13 discovery for our native friends, but Florida, they did bring

09:35:17 a vast civilization, they did bring the horses. There were no

09:35:21 horses here. Cows.

09:35:22 They brought a lot of things.

09:35:24 So we are going to recognize in this grandiose 500 celebration

09:35:28 the discovery of Florida.

09:35:29 And we have got a note that Puerto Rico was the Gateway to the

09:35:33 discovery of Florida, European discovery, which opened the

09:35:37 door to the settlement of the United States, 107 years before

09:35:41 the pilgrims landed.

09:35:43 107 years.

09:35:44 Yet the history books talked about the pilgrims.




09:35:47 Yeah, let's celebrate the pilgrims.

09:35:49 Let's celebrate everybody.

09:35:51 But let's not leave out our American Hispanics.

09:35:53 So that is one of the other things we want to do with this 500

09:35:57 celebration.

09:36:01 That's the group that Ponce DeLeon took.

09:36:04 We have colonel retired U.S. Air Force who wrote a book on the

09:36:11 discovery of Florida, and he also retraced the route.

09:36:15 More and more historians are saying he landed near Melbourne

09:36:19 beach.

09:36:20 That's not to say St. Augustine, the second oldest city under

09:36:24 the American flag, the oldest city under the American flag is

09:36:28 San Juan, Puerto Rico, your territory of Puerto Rico, U.S.

09:36:32 citizens live there.

09:36:33 So these are our ancestors.

09:36:35 These are our lineage.

09:36:40 And that was the retraced route that it has been documented to

09:36:45 be at the most likely route right now.

09:36:49 The Florida 500 will be speaking.

09:36:52 I didn't know we had the humanity council but we are partnered

09:36:55 with Florida Secretary of State browning who two years ago we

09:37:01 met with him, has led the effort for celebrating for everybody

09:37:04 the 500 celebration of Florida.

09:37:06 And it's supported by the Florida humanities council, they got

09:37:12 those Web sites up there which I would recommend everybody to




09:37:16 join in the big celebration, because it's not only going to be

09:37:19 a celebration about Florida.

09:37:21 We want to bring in business, we want to bring in more

09:37:25 tourists, we want to spark the entrepreneurial series and use

09:37:29 this momentous occasion and bring a lot of business to Tampa,

09:37:33 bring a lot of business to Orlando, bring a lot of business to

09:37:35 Miami.

09:37:37 And we are going to be talking with Disney, talking with

09:37:41 universal and other people.

09:37:44 Again, we have a council established, a citizens government

09:37:49 community council in central Florida with the support of the

09:37:52 mayor of six counties, basically, and I would also encourage

09:37:57 this body to do something like that, so you can get your

09:38:00 citizens, you can get your community, and you have your

09:38:03 government.

09:38:05 From Lynn Lopez, with the same thing going on in Brevard

09:38:12 county.

09:38:12 It's a matter of bringing in the citizens, the community into

09:38:15 the celebration along with the government.

09:38:18 And we have got to focus on that, and we have to focus in

09:38:21 coordinating major events that are coming up.

09:38:24 Some of the honorary chairs that we have, for example, are

09:38:28 depicted on the slide, would include senator Rubio, the

09:38:33 governors and other people that are supporting this effort.

09:38:37 And I talked to senator Nelson.




09:38:44 We are coming up with an event, the VIVA Florida already has

09:38:48 that in the Web site, but we encourage everybody to go to viva

09:38:52 Florida and make sure we don't step on each others' event,

09:38:55 make sure that we support each other's event, because many

09:38:58 times you have an organization that will start doing the same

09:39:02 thing.

09:39:03 Hey, I mean, we are going to celebrate the whole year, and

09:39:06 basically 2013 is going to be the big ceremony.

09:39:11 And the big ceremony, we want to also have the seminars.

09:39:15 We already have one here.

09:39:17 By the way, Tampa led the way because they have Hillsborough

09:39:20 community college, and will have a great seminar on the viva

09:39:26 500.

09:39:29 Way think we are prioritizing right now is the Ponce DeLeon

09:39:32 island naming.

09:39:33 Right now Brevard county, and we have to support Brevard

09:39:36 county, and the city of Melbourne beach.

09:39:40 They have already sent a request to the U.S. geographic names

09:39:47 to name a barrier island where you have Cocoa Beach down to

09:39:52 Patrick Air Force Base 45 miles south, to name a barrier

09:39:57 island for Ponce DeLeon, and we want to do that in

09:40:00 recognition of the American Hispanic contribution to all this.

09:40:04 And we also have a statute that's being put in called Ponce

09:40:08 DeLeon beach, and this is not a Brevard county thing.

09:40:13 This is a statewide, Florida thing because that's where Ponce




09:40:17 DeLeon most likely landed.

09:40:19 Then we have resolutions and other things coming up in the

09:40:23 future, and we are bringing in Spain, we are bringing in

09:40:27 Florida, we are bringing in all the Latin American chambers

09:40:30 from Central America and South America.

09:40:35 When I was with U.S. Army south, one of my assignments was

09:40:38 there.

09:40:39 I planned for operations in 32 countries.

09:40:44 So it's very important we bring everybody in, have a big

09:40:47 business Expo, and then be selling T-shirts, and there's a lot

09:40:51 of opportunity for entrepreneurs.

09:40:54 The owner of Ponce DeLeon, we need to support the magna

09:40:59 celebrations which are going to be through April.

09:41:01 We are inviting the king and queen of Spain.

09:41:03 We are in contact with the palace.

09:41:05 We are inviting the governors, the president of the United

09:41:08 States.

09:41:09 So it's going to be grandiose.

09:41:11 And what we want to do is share the king and queen, most

09:41:15 likely they'll come for two weeks, bring them also over to

09:41:19 Tampa, have a big parade or festival, whatever, and bring them

09:41:22 over.

09:41:23 It will draw people.

09:41:24 It will draw a promotion, draw more business for Tampa.

09:41:30 There's a Ponce DeLeon park.




09:41:31 And you can see a depiction of the statue.

09:41:36 The artist made it a little small there in that park.

09:41:38 And it's a park that's going to be great.

09:41:40 You might want to do something similar here in Tampa.

09:41:43 We can draw a lot of people.

09:41:45 And ending my presentation, I always honor our veterans.

09:41:50 And my honor regiment is the U.S. 65th infantry regiment

09:41:55 from Puerto Rico which was the first Hispanic segregated

09:41:58 veterans in the history of the United States.

09:42:00 They fought, my father fought with them, yet they couldn't

09:42:03 vote for their president and they couldn't vote for

09:42:06 representation in Congress.

09:42:09 The people today in Puerto Rico, U.S. territory, they are your

09:42:12 citizens, but they don't have all their full civil rights.

09:42:15 And I always want to honor that.

09:42:17 So that is my presentation.

09:42:19 I really appreciate the time.

09:42:22 And if there are any questions, I am prepared to answer.

09:42:29 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Thank you, Mr. FREYTES and Ms. Pietri.

09:42:36 I know you traveled from longwood to be here and I appreciate

09:42:40 it.

09:42:40 Thank you very much for the presentation.

09:42:42 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Any other council members?

09:42:44 We move on to item number 3.

09:42:52 >>YVONNE CAPIN: We have here with us Patricia Putman,




09:42:56 Executive Director of the, and John Belohlavek to talk about

09:43:13 viva Florida.

09:43:14 >> Thank you.

09:43:17 I think you just gave our presentation, and a very thorough

09:43:21 one it was at that, a history lesson.

09:43:24 My name is John Belohlavek.

09:43:27 I'm a 40-year resident of the City of Tampa, and also

09:43:32 professor at USF.

09:43:34 But I come before you this morning to share some exciting news

09:43:38 about a group that I represent, the chair of the Florida

09:43:43 humanities council for the next several years, and we have

09:43:45 some exciting things going on over the next two years.

09:43:50 The staff and the board of humanities council recognize that

09:43:56 Florida 500 is a teachable moment for our state.

09:44:00 We have made a number of major commitments that involve

09:44:05 creating problems, funding grants, a variety of things that

09:44:08 will bring our story to teachers, students, and the general

09:44:13 public throughout our state.

09:44:17 I think as council members, you are well aware of what happens

09:44:20 in our city in terms of the nature of a movable, flexible and

09:44:26 transient population.

09:44:28 A lot of the folks who live in our city struggle.

09:44:36 They are from Michigan, they are from New Jersey, they are

09:44:39 from Illinois.

09:44:41 You know, as we look at things -- and Patricia and I were




09:44:45 chatting about this earlier -- and how people are loyal to

09:44:50 teams that again are in Boston or New York or wherever, you

09:44:56 know, places that they were born and raised.

09:45:00 So as humanities council, our struggle, our goal is to get

09:45:05 people to buy into the notion of Florida, a place, of

09:45:10 Hillsborough County, of Tampa, to give our residents a sense

09:45:14 of what Florida is and who we are.

09:45:18 We want them to know about our history.

09:45:20 We want them to know about our government, our arts, our

09:45:23 music, our people.

09:45:28 The mission of the national humanities council, and our state

09:45:32 council here in Florida, for the last 50 years, has been

09:45:35 trying to get people engaged, and in this particular

09:45:39 situation, it's coming up now in 2013, is the opportunity for

09:45:45 a celebration, a commemoration, if you will, of Florida 500.

09:45:49 It brings together, as was pointed out just a few minutes ago,

09:45:54 the opportunity to explore, if you will, particularly Native

09:45:57 American, Indian, and our Hispanic past.

09:46:01 It offers us all an opportunity to learn and share in the

09:46:06 legacy of our state.

09:46:08 We have a number of events, by the way, as a council that are

09:46:11 planned for the Tampa/hillsborough County area over the next

09:46:17 year, and we hope that you will take advantage of as many of

09:46:19 these as possible.

09:46:22 I would like to introduce now Patricia Putman of our council




09:46:33 who I know is eager to talk about some of the events we have

09:46:35 planned over the next year or so.

09:46:36 Patricia, if you would, please.

09:46:38 >> Patricia Putman: And we have a PowerPoint.

09:46:48 Thank you for having us here today.

09:46:54 For those of you that don't know the humanities council, we

09:46:58 are the state affiliate of the national endowment, meets

09:47:05 around the country, established in 1973 along with most of the

09:47:08 other council, and we are based in St. Petersburg, but we do

09:47:14 have a statewide mission that John talked about.

09:47:17 We are primarily support by funds from the national endowment

09:47:20 for the humanities, so we do receive state support, and

09:47:24 private donations as well.

09:47:25 A quick overview of our main program areas.

09:47:29 We are primarily a regrant agency.

09:47:32 We provide annually up to a half million dollars in grants and

09:47:37 contracts to community groups statewide.

09:47:41 Sorry.

09:47:41 There we go.

09:47:42 Now I'm good?

09:47:43 Okay.

09:47:44 Grants and community groups statewide to develop their own

09:47:48 humanities programs and resources.

09:47:50 We also have a have a workshop for K-12 teachers through

09:48:01 humanities disciplines.




09:48:02 We have cultural heritage tourism trips.

09:48:07 We speak in places like Apalachicola, the Everglades,

09:48:12 providing Floridians with an in-depth look of cities that may

09:48:15 not be familiar with their own state.

09:48:20 We have a wonderful family reading program for low-literacy,

09:48:28 and the newest program is museum on Main Street which is a

09:48:31 partnership, the Smithsonian institution, which brings high

09:48:34 quality Smithsonian organized exhibition in rural communities

09:48:38 around our state.

09:48:41 The last item is our forum magazine which you have a copy of,

09:48:46 published three times a year, statewide on a number of

09:48:50 different humanities topics.

09:48:54 You can see the most recent issue of forum that was published

09:48:57 back in fall 2011 was for the quincentenary.

09:49:09 This particular issue was focused on the quincentenary.

09:49:14 Also, we were able to distribute to you on Florida history

09:49:19 moments, over the past couple years we produced over 100,

09:49:24 one-minute segments on Florida history, particularly items

09:49:32 related to the quincentenary.

09:49:36 Floridians can listen to these on eleven public radio station

09:49:39 as round the state.

09:49:40 They are also archived on our Web site, the Web sites for the

09:49:44 Florida historical society, visit Florida, and Hispana Florida

09:49:49 foundation.

09:49:51 The Florida humanity council also has a long standing




09:49:54 relationship with Howard broadcasting station as cross the

09:49:57 state.

09:49:57 We recently funded a number of public television documentaries

09:50:03 that you will begin seeing airing in the coming year.

09:50:06 WPBT in Miami is using our Florida -- is going to be producing

09:50:12 one-minute interstitials that will air across the state.

09:50:17 They also have begun production on a one-hour documentary

09:50:22 hosted by Baronstein.

09:50:29 WEDU and WUSF here in Tampa are also working on productions.

09:50:33 WEDU will be using schoolchildren, talking about Florida books

09:50:38 that have been meaningful and significant to them.

09:50:41 WUSF will be working on a documentary about Cuba's impact on

09:50:47 the State of Florida from the 1930s to the 1960s.

09:50:52 The council also this past year provided $50,000 grants to

09:50:57 three universities statewide to design and develop public and

09:51:04 academic conferences specifically related to the

09:51:08 quincentenary.

09:51:09 We just concluded one of those conferences at the University

09:51:11 of Miami.

09:51:12 We will be at St. Augustine at Flagler college in May, and I

09:51:17 hope you all will be able to attend the conference scheduled

09:51:19 this October hosted by the University of South Florida in

09:51:24 their institute for the study of Latin America and the

09:51:28 Caribbeans.

09:51:29 There will be a number of community events to the three-day




09:51:32 conference that will be held throughout the Tampa Bay area.

09:51:35 We will be in Ybor City, the Tampa Bay history center, Centro

09:51:41 Asturiano and the Cuban club, including an oral history

09:51:47 project, Glazer museum, poetry readings, essay contest and a

09:51:54 Web site for that will be available soon on the USF Web site.

09:52:00 They also mention, we are also very dedicated to providing

09:52:03 professional development opportunities for K-12 teachers.

09:52:07 We will be in St. Augustine this spring, and this summer,

09:52:11 offering a number of free workshops for teachers on Florida's

09:52:17 colonial past.

09:52:19 Tampa teachers are welcome to apply to our Web site to attend

09:52:22 one of those workshops, which they receive in-service credit

09:52:27 for.

09:52:27 We are also excited to be launching a new Web site this summer

09:52:30 called teaching Florida.org.

09:52:33 It's going to be a great new resource for public

09:52:35 schoolteachers in the State of Florida for classroom ideas and

09:52:39 lesson plans and resources based on Florida history.

09:52:43 The first module of that Web site will focus on the colonial

09:52:48 period of Florida.

09:52:52 This is a wonderful new poster that was just announced, the

09:52:55 winning design was announced at the Capitol yesterday in

09:52:59 Tallahassee.

09:53:00 This is the official commemorative poster for the viva Florida

09:53:04 500.




09:53:07 The artist is Christopher stills who many of you are aware of,

09:53:11 a wonderful Florida artist.

09:53:13 This will be distributed to the entire Florida congressional

09:53:16 delegation, members of the Florida legislature, public

09:53:19 library, schools, businesses, and cultural agencies throughout

09:53:24 the state through 2013.

09:53:27 And we will make sure that you all receive a copy.

09:53:36 One of the final projects we are launching the this next year

09:53:39 is a great Floridians living history tour.

09:53:42 These are historical reenactors that will be traveling across

09:53:47 the state to communities and they will include characters such

09:53:50 as Francisco Menendez, Osceola, and others.

09:53:55 In order to make all these programs happen like our previous

09:53:58 presenters discussed, we have to have partnerships across the

09:54:01 state.

09:54:02 We have been working very closely with the Florida department

09:54:04 of state, certainly with efforts by the former Secretary of

09:54:09 State Kurt Browning.

09:54:13 We held events in Washington, D.C. and at the Capitol hosted

09:54:16 by Governor Scott and the first lady.

09:54:18 Again, their Web site FLA500.com is a great resource for

09:54:23 statewide activities related to the quincentenary.

09:54:29 We also worked very closely with visit Florida on the

09:54:31 marketing and promotion of these events and activities.

09:54:34 That is the best resource for an online calendar, events at




09:54:40 visitFlorida.com/viva.

09:54:44 We are also partners with the Hispana Florida Foundation, that

09:54:47 is working hard on trade opportunities between Florida and

09:54:50 Spain, the coordination of royal visits, talk to them as well,

09:54:57 and cultural and educational programming around the state.

09:55:03 Locally, we encourage communities here in Tampa to contact the

09:55:07 Florida humanities council, statewide for design and develop

09:55:10 programs and resources related to the quincentenary.

09:55:14 We do have competitive grant funds available to make that

09:55:17 happen.

09:55:17 And you are welcome to go online to our Web site to find out

09:55:21 more information about how the they can become part of this

09:55:24 large statewide efforts that involves many, many parts.

09:55:30 If there are any questions, we appreciate you having us give

09:55:33 this presentation for the council.

09:55:34 >>MARY MULHERN: I have one question.

09:55:41 You might have mentioned.

09:55:42 This you know how you do your historic tours to St. Augustine?

09:55:49 Do you ever do that in Tampa where you could do Ybor City and

09:55:52 West Tampa?

09:55:54 >> There will be tours related to the conference that's coming

09:55:58 up in October, the USF group will be organizing tours through

09:56:04 the Tampa area as part of that conference, yes.

09:56:07 >> (off microphone) and there are other people as well.

09:56:17 >>MARY MULHERN: It occurs to me, too with our recent new




09:56:26 flights between Tampa and Havana and other cities that the

09:56:32 whole history, you know, Cuban Tampa history, is a good

09:56:38 opportunity for tourism.

09:56:41 >>> Absolutely.

09:56:44 We have a grant a few years ago and they are trying to make

09:56:54 those available to visitors that can come in and download and

09:56:57 do a self-guided walking tour of the area.

09:57:00 >>MARY MULHERN: But the one that kind of does the development

09:57:03 of the tours? Is that what you are telling me?

09:57:06 >> He does them kind of on his own, too.

09:57:08 >> (off microphone) it's unfortunate, that's the way it is but

09:57:20 that is the reality right now.

09:57:22 Again, the timing, we talk about it sometimes within our

09:57:27 council.

09:57:29 But --

09:57:32 >>MARY MULHERN: This is more the Tampa connection.

09:57:33 >> As the connection is there.

09:57:40 But, yes, there was some disappointment, I think, within the

09:57:43 council about the inability to integrate and the way the

09:57:46 Cuban-Florida connection, if you will, in terms of the 500.

09:57:51 >>MARY MULHERN: Right.

09:57:53 This is one of the things I know you probably know about this,

09:57:56 but when the flights first started, I think a lot of people

09:58:02 were talking about trying to make Tampa a stop-over between --

09:58:08 I mean, we have the legal flights now, and people are




09:58:11 traveling from other countries.

09:58:13 So it's a tourist opportunity that maybe you can work with.

09:58:19 >> We would welcome that.

09:58:21 Absolutely.

09:58:22 Absolutely.

09:58:27 Our goal is sense of place for Floridians, but it's also an

09:58:30 opportunity, I think, to educate, to expand the horizons so

09:58:34 people outside the state and even outside the country,

09:58:37 obviously.

09:58:37 So we have really Spain, the Caribbean, honoring our borders.

09:58:45 We get terribly frustrated in all honesty.

09:58:49 I think there could be a number of you who dealt with your

09:58:52 children, grandchildren, whatever, that have seen Pocahontas,

09:58:57 and I think every young girl has seen Pocahontas, and there

09:59:00 was a feature film on settling Virginia.

09:59:04 We get terribly frustrated.

09:59:06 >>MARY MULHERN: Can you get to the mike?

09:59:09 >> Sure.

09:59:10 The programs were mention add few minutes ago, you know,

09:59:13 Virginia is another issue with us.

09:59:16 You know, the focus seems to be obviously on Jamestown and

09:59:20 Virginia and the pilgrims and Thanksgiving.

09:59:22 And we are waiving our arms and say, what about St. Augustine?

09:59:26 What about Florida?

09:59:27 We really were first.




09:59:29 And San Marcos, and you realize there's a permanency to

09:59:37 St. Augustine.

09:59:37 It's not as if it's gone.

09:59:39 So we are terribly frustrated at some level.

09:59:41 And this is our opportunity.

09:59:42 This is our moment, if you will.

09:59:44 I think in terms of statewide history, 500th anniversary,

09:59:48 it's a very special moment.

09:59:49 And that's why we really appreciate the opportunity to talk

09:59:51 with you all, because as many people as we can get on board to

09:59:56 get the message out there, this is exciting for us.

09:59:59 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I know several years ago the city received

10:00:07 some grants along with other nonprofits in the area from the

10:00:11 humanities council.

10:00:13 Beyond what was just outlined on the last slide very briefly,

10:00:20 are there still grant funds available from the humanities

10:00:23 council?

10:00:24 Beyond what was on there?

10:00:26 Patricia.

10:00:27 We have many grant programs, small grants, up to $2,000.

10:00:31 We have two-year grants called partnership grants.

10:00:34 Those are $8,000.

10:00:36 And we will have another major grant that will open up this

10:00:41 fall, and those are large grants up to 15,000.

10:00:43 >>LISA MONTELIONE: And the details of the -- the 2,000, 8,000




10:00:52 and 15,000 grants are on your Web site?

10:00:54 >> It's on our Web site.

10:00:56 >> And it's a rolling process, too.

10:01:01 We can adjust.

10:01:03 We have been involved with grants.

10:01:04 But the grants processes are rolling ones.

10:01:07 So there's always opportunity literally to apply for one grant

10:01:10 or another.

10:01:11 It's a rolling process.

10:01:13 >>LISA MONTELIONE: And would the council be partnering for a

10:01:19 grant if we were to apply to the federal government or some

10:01:23 other large funding agency?

10:01:25 >> Yes.

10:01:25 We are very happy to participate.

10:01:28 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Thank you very much.

10:01:30 >> BELOHLAVEK: Thank you all very much.

10:01:37 >>MARY MULHERN: Item number 3.

10:01:47 >> Number 4.

10:01:53 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I'm sorry.

10:01:54 I want to say thank you for being here.

10:01:57 Thank you for informing us.

10:01:59 And one of the things that -- a term that I use is Hispana did

10:02:06 not discover Florida, but they came and changed the world.

10:02:15 (Speaking away from microphone).

10:02:32 >> We use the word encounter, discovery has an accuracy to




10:02:38 only people on the other side of the world but obviously, now,

10:02:42 the encounter between Hispanics particularly and Native

10:02:45 Americans was significant for hundreds of years and remains

10:02:49 so.

10:02:50 We look around, obviously, you know, both groups, Hispanics

10:02:54 and Native Americans represented in our state in, a variety of

10:02:57 different ways, and there's been an evolutionary process over

10:03:00 those 500 years, which is again amazing.

10:03:03 Our goal is to bring that story, from that 500 years ago

10:03:07 literally into the 21st century.

10:03:10 So thank you so much for taking leadership and asking us here.

10:03:15 >>YVONNE CAPIN: When you mention the frustration, we have to

10:03:17 remember that the history books were written by people in the

10:03:21 northeast.

10:03:26 And all of the south, a lost it, was not included.

10:03:29 Not just Florida.

10:03:30 Many parts.

10:03:30 >> You are absolutely right.

10:03:31 And as somebody who teaches history at the university, I deal

10:03:36 with that all the time, and we have to make what is an

10:03:40 informed decision in terms of what you assign to your students

10:03:44 because we want to raise that level as you suggested,

10:03:46 inclusiveness.

10:03:47 It's terribly important particularly as you look at the makeup

10:03:50 of the United States, the direction that we are going.




10:03:51 We better be inclusive or we leave a lot of folks out of our

10:03:56 past.

10:03:56 Thank you all very much.

10:03:57 I appreciate it.

10:03:58 >>MARY MULHERN: Item number 4.

10:04:06 Councilwoman Capin.

10:04:08 >>YVONNE CAPIN: It is my pleasure to introduce the honorable

10:04:11 E.J. Salcines.

10:04:16 To Chairman Miranda who is not here, the five minutes was a

10:04:19 typo.

10:04:25 >> Good morning.

10:04:29 How many is it?

10:04:31 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I'll let you know.

10:04:32 >> E.J. Salcines: I would like to supplement the good

10:04:38 statements made here earlier.

10:04:39 I encourage you to participate actively, and encourage all

10:04:44 agencies throughout our municipality and our region to

10:04:47 participate in this viva Florida.

10:04:50 As has been correctly said, we have almost 18 million in

10:04:59 population, and the great, great majority of that 18 million

10:05:04 in the State of Florida are recent arrivals and have no idea

10:05:10 that Florida even existed before the second world war.

10:05:17 Very true when you start asking a people, how much do they

10:05:21 know about Florida history?

10:05:22 So this is a great opportunity to enhance our population with




10:05:30 the knowledge of the rich history that Florida has and the

10:05:34 important role that Florida has played in the development of

10:05:39 our great nation.

10:05:41 Remember, no other state in the United States has a longer

10:05:49 reported history than the State of Florida.

10:05:53 Perhaps we use loosely the word "discovery."

10:05:58 We would be quick to admit that the first to discover Florida

10:06:03 were the natives, and they came from someplace else.

10:06:08 But from a European point of view, Florida was discovered in

10:06:15 1513, but it was also the discovery of what turned out to be

10:06:19 the continental United States.

10:06:23 The efforts that are being made not only will enlighten those

10:06:28 that are unaware that St. Augustine, Florida, was already

10:06:34 operating almost 50 years before our English forefathers

10:06:40 arrived in Jamestown, and almost 07 years before our

10:06:48 forefathers arrived in Plymouth rock.

10:06:53 As the distinguished historian at the University of Florida,

10:06:56 Michael GANNON, frequently has said, by the time our English

10:07:01 forefathers arrived in Plymouth, and in Jamestown, we in

10:07:06 St. Augustine were already an urban renewal.

10:07:12 But the great majority of our citizens are unaware of that.

10:07:16 So this forgotten century in American history is a great

10:07:21 opportunity during this viva Florida celebration.

10:07:30 I have been asked to explain a bit more of the Hispanic

10:07:33 presence in Florida in these 500 years.




10:07:38 Yes, we are quick to admit, most people are aware that

10:07:43 St. Augustine, Florida is the oldest city in the United

10:07:47 States, but most are unaware that the oldest state capital in

10:07:54 the continental United States is Santa Fe, New Mexico,

10:08:01 established almost at the very time that Jamestown was being

10:08:05 established.

10:08:07 We have also forgotten that Florida had missions here,

10:08:14 Christian missions, 200 years before the missions of

10:08:19 California.

10:08:20 The missions of Florida preceded the missions of the

10:08:24 southwest, and of the missions of California.

10:08:28 But the Hispanic presence continued during every one of the

10:08:33 centuries from the very start of the discovery of Florida to

10:08:38 today.

10:08:41 One forgotten area is the role that Hispanics, and Spain

10:08:45 particularly, played during our war of independence.

10:08:51 The currency of the United States today is called the dollar,

10:08:57 with two Ls, because that was because they adopted the term of

10:09:05 the spawn I shall currency at that particular time, which was

10:09:08 the dollar with one L.

10:09:14 You find that the 13 colonies adopted the Spanish milled

10:09:21 dollar as the currency of the 13 colonies.

10:09:28 Some of you are looking at the currency of the 13 colonies.

10:09:38 I have enlarged some of the currency.

10:09:40 Each colony issued their own currency.




10:09:44 The first currency that they issued was called the

10:09:47 continental, but there was no money in the bank, so the

10:09:52 business people rejected, and that's where we got the term "it

10:09:58 ain't worth a continental."

10:10:01 And that's when the Spanish milled dollar came into use.

10:10:11 (Bell sounds)

10:10:12 And when you read the currency of the 13 different colonies,

10:10:18 you find, as I have highlighted for you, guaranteed by the

10:10:24 Spanish milled dollar.

10:10:28 The Spanish milled dollars, what does milled mean, E.J.?

10:10:35 It means that when the 13 colonies would use the Spanish due

10:10:53 balloon to guarantee it was DUBLOON was genuine and not

10:11:01 counterfeit, they would run their thumb on the side, and it

10:11:06 was milled.

10:11:07 If you get a quarter out of your pocket and you run the nail,

10:11:10 that is to prevent counterfeiting.

10:11:13 The counterfeiters have never been able to copy the milling

10:11:17 around the coin.

10:11:20 The Spanish also would use silver, or perhaps gold, because

10:11:28 the gold coins circulated throughout the 13 colonies, as did

10:11:35 the silver Spanish DOLAR or Spanish DUBLOON.

10:11:51 To see if it's genuine we bite into the currency.

10:11:53 That's where we got two bits, four bits, six bits a dollar, a

10:12:04 term that we all associate with the United States early on.

10:12:10 What they would take is the Spanish DUBLOON, cut in the half,




10:12:18 then cut those two halves in half.

10:12:21 Out of one piece they would have four quarters in today's

10:12:24 terminology.

10:12:28 But back then two bits was a quarter, two bits was 50 cents,

10:12:34 three of those bits would be 357 cents and the Spanish

10:12:43 doubloon the full eight bits, coming again from the bite.

10:13:03 Because of the currency.

10:13:04 It was Thomas Jefferson on motion to the continental Congress

10:13:08 that said since we are using the Spanish milled dollar as the

10:13:11 currency, let's adopt the Spanish method of counting money,

10:13:19 which is the decimal system, not the English 12, but the

10:13:23 Spanish 10.

10:13:24 We still maintain that decimal system as the method of

10:13:29 counting our money.

10:13:31 And, in conclusion, even the dollar sign has its Hispanic

10:13:39 presence, because the Spanish milled dollar, as written in the

10:13:43 currency --

10:13:48 >>YVONNE CAPIN: E.J., excuse me, there's one overhead if they

10:13:51 want to put on the screen.

10:13:53 >> Yes.

10:13:53 The overhead is the identical one that you have brought for

10:13:58 all of us to see, where it has ten Spanish milled dollars, but

10:14:04 in conclusion, even our dollar sign is of Hispanic origin.

10:14:15 The S for Spain and the gold and silver bars that guaranteed

10:14:19 the money.




10:14:20 So the silver dollar, the gold bars, and S for Spanish gold

10:14:31 bars is our dollar sign.

10:14:35 We hope and we encourage all that are listening to participate

10:14:39 in these good programs that are coming up during this next

10:14:43 year, because it will certainly highlight the rich history

10:14:47 that Florida has for all of the nation, and it is the Hispanic

10:14:52 presence in the United States over a 500-year period, not just

10:14:59 the forgotten century, the very first century of exploration,

10:15:05 the forgotten century in American history, but also

10:15:08 recognizing the Spanish participation in the war of

10:15:12 independence, Spain, the forgotten ally of the United States.

10:15:19 Thank you very much.

10:15:20 If you have any questions I will be glad to respond.

10:15:28 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Thank you for that.

10:15:30 Very much appreciated and very informative.

10:15:31 >>MARY MULHERN: That was all news to me.

10:15:37 The dollar sign especially.

10:15:46 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Thank you, Judge Salcines.

10:15:49 >> And this is an endangered species that most American

10:15:53 citizens are unaware of the currency and guarantee by the

10:15:56 Spanish milled dollar.

10:16:01 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Thank you.

10:16:05 >> If there's nothing further, thank you very much and have a

10:16:18 good day.

10:16:20 >>YVONNE CAPIN: You have a good day.




10:16:20 Thank you.

10:16:25 >>MARY MULHERN: Item number 5.

10:16:30 Item number 5 is the presentation from the citizens advisory

10:16:37 committee on cultural assets as an economic engine, and our

10:16:42 vice chair, retired major general David Scott, will be

10:16:48 presenting.

10:16:49 Thank you.

10:16:50 >> Thank you very much.

10:16:53 Good to be with you today.

10:16:54 The chairman is Ron Kirkpaldi.

10:16:59 He had to be in front of a court today.

10:17:02 I got the better deal.

10:17:04 We are a result of your resolution six months ago to establish

10:17:08 this advisory committee of economic cultural assets,

10:17:13 specifically importance of cultural asset of engines of

10:17:18 economic development.

10:17:19 And our recommendations should stimulate and serve as a

10:17:23 catalyst for action from this committee.

10:17:29 We are a group of eleven, and we are asked to come before you

10:17:33 every six months and report on our progress.

10:17:39 During the first six months I'll tell that you your instinct

10:17:41 were very good and accurate.

10:17:43 There are two aspects is of cultural economic impact, one in

10:17:49 tourism.

10:17:51 And if you look at reports about the difference between




10:17:56 different types of tourism, it's interesting to note that

10:18:00 heritage of cultural tourism accounts for about 80% of what

10:18:05 people will say it, they focus on when they travel.

10:18:09 Of them, 30% picked their destinations based on those cultural

10:18:15 offerings.

10:18:19 Take extra time to do side visitation when they get to their

10:18:24 destination.

10:18:25 25% travel three or more times per year.

10:18:29 44% like to shop while they travel, and they spend more money

10:18:35 than other types of tourists.

10:18:36 So the potential economic impact of promoting our strategic

10:18:40 strengths and our cultural assets is there.

10:18:46 There's a second important area, and that is, we are trying to

10:18:50 grow Tampa into a more vibrant economy, we have to attract a

10:18:55 certain type of vibrant individual.

10:18:58 These people are more attracted to live in a place with a high

10:19:02 quality of life, and often that is defined by the cultural

10:19:05 assets that they run into.

10:19:09 This has been proven in other cities around the United States,

10:19:13 and even recently last weekend, if you read the Tampa Trib,

10:19:18 there's an article about the James beard culinary award.

10:19:21 We had three nominees out of Tampa.

10:19:23 And if you read their interviews, there was a sense of, hey,

10:19:27 Tampa is establishing itself now in a different realm.

10:19:31 We are beginning to get national recognition for things such




10:19:34 as our food, which many would not have expected from a place

10:19:39 like Tampa.

10:19:40 So I just wanted, at the beginning, to emphasize, I think the

10:19:45 discussions were involving best use of our economic or

10:19:50 cultural assets for economic benefit is a good one.

10:19:55 I would like to surrender the microphone.

10:19:58 We have established four subtask forces.

10:20:02 We have one on process, so much of our initial discussions had

10:20:10 to do with the perception that it was so difficult to get

10:20:15 permission to establish a cultural or artistic event.

10:20:19 Many people were deterred from it, although there was a great

10:20:23 deal of discussion in the first six months.

10:20:26 Gina Grimes is our chair for that task force.

10:20:28 Unfortunately, Gina had to leave for another appointment.

10:20:32 I'll cover that at the end.

10:20:33 The second task force is defining your cultural assets.

10:20:36 We focused on a bit of process discussion, but then the

10:20:40 question is, if we are going to harness the potential of a

10:20:45 cultural asset, exactly what are they?

10:20:48 And for an interim report I would like to have Steven Benson

10:20:51 come up and talk about that.

10:20:52

10:20:55 >> Have you all gotten a hard copy of the handout?

10:21:06 >> Yes.

10:21:06 >> Steven Benson: As a result of council's interest and




10:21:15 commitment to preserving the cultural identity of Tampa, this

10:21:17 committee has focused on issues and problems that affect one

10:21:21 or more of the city's cultural assets.

10:21:24 As council is aware, culture is not determined by one

10:21:27 organization, one agency or one idea.

10:21:29 Rather, what makes Tampa unique is convergence of a multitude

10:21:33 of cultural assets, historic, institutional, educational,

10:21:38 natural, recreational, the arts and the everyday things we do,

10:21:43 eat and drink.

10:21:45 The four things that we established, creative foundation for

10:21:48 this committee to identity and target cultural issues and

10:21:51 importance, and provide them in the form of recommendations to

10:21:54 City Council and how to move forward.

10:21:56 And as you can see right here, and the second thing that

10:22:02 should be in your packet is a list of examples that we used in

10:22:06 our brainstorming process, in creating these themes.

10:22:18 And, again, this is by no means exhaustive but a sampling of

10:22:24 specific assets that we use for brainstorming.

10:22:26 As you can see, they fall in a range of different categories,

10:22:32 and the ones they do are the ones that make Tampa unique and

10:22:36 ones that deserve possibly additional consideration.

10:22:41 And with that, if there are any questions.

10:22:45 >>MARY MULHERN: We'll reserve to the end.

10:22:58 Thank you.

10:22:58 >>> The discussion about the cultural assets, defining the




10:23:05 resources, and I was particularly impressed with the last

10:23:09 presentation from the Florida humanities council.

10:23:12 Many of the initiatives that they described had to do with

10:23:18 taking the cultural assets of the State of Florida and

10:23:21 integrating them and promoting them and making them a more

10:23:27 pronounced aspect of our national image.

10:23:32 We are looking at that same interest here at a more local

10:23:36 level.

10:23:37 The subject of resources also includes money.

10:23:43 Our third task force has to do with funding issues, money

10:23:46 issues, and I would like to ask Art Keeble to come up to the

10:23:56 microphone and talk about our status there.

10:23:59 >> Good morning.

10:24:01 The group is currently in a fact finding mode.

10:24:04 We are looking at doing a lot of research into funding both

10:24:08 from the city and other sources.

10:24:10 But we are right now looking at the process the city uses to

10:24:14 fund cultural organizations.

10:24:17 We are also looking into alternative sources for funding which

10:24:21 might include the sales tax, might include employee giving

10:24:29 that some communities, do might include an Internet cafe, and

10:24:34 the list is extensive.

10:24:36 We are looking into criteria from which organizations or

10:24:39 individuals should qualify for city funding.

10:24:44 We are looking into which cultural organizations provide core




10:24:48 services to the residents that cannot be funded from other

10:24:52 areas.

10:24:53 We are evaluating community and neighborhood cultural projects

10:24:57 that serve a group of residents that have no access to

10:25:01 cultural programming.

10:25:03 We would like to establish programs that provide cultural

10:25:06 programs throughout the City of Tampa, and we would like to

10:25:12 evaluate existing programs such as libraries and centers for

10:25:18 cultural programming.

10:25:19 And in six months we'll come back with perhaps recommendations

10:25:23 in these areas.

10:25:24 Thank you.

10:25:24 >>MARY MULHERN: Thank you.

10:25:30 >>> The first task force has to do with marketing, as we

10:25:35 reviewed our challenge, obviously getting the word out is

10:25:37 critical.

10:25:40 We are still in the fact finding stage there.

10:25:42 Our chair Todd Smith was unable to be with us today, but

10:25:46 Steven Benson is also on that task force, and I would like to

10:25:49 you come up and say a few words about marketing.

10:25:52 >> Steven Benson: The marketing task force was first sent out

10:26:00 to reach out to the cultural stake holders that were

10:26:03 participating in marketing for the City of Tampa and the Tampa

10:26:06 Bay region.

10:26:07 And interviews were conducted.




10:26:09 And we determined that there was a lot of duplication of

10:26:12 efforts, and there may be some confusion about who is already

10:26:18 out there marketing doing the same thing, doing the same thing

10:26:21 that you are doing.

10:26:22 So our thought was that this committee would hold a workshop

10:26:27 for the cultural stakeholders that participate in marketing to

10:26:31 meet all of the cultural assets, representatives from all the

10:26:37 cultural assets in the city and meet face to face and

10:26:42 understand what each agency does and why they exist.

10:26:45 And once established, this communication continue informal

10:26:53 settings, so it was really to bring everyone together and

10:26:55 create that connection, because some organizations may not

10:26:58 have spoken to other organizations, and some assets we may be

10:27:03 unaware of.

10:27:03 And if we are going to effectively market our region, we

10:27:06 should be in communication actually going on to the fullest

10:27:10 extent possible.

10:27:12 And I believe in September we were looking to hold that

10:27:15 workshop.

10:27:21 So that's the current state of affairs.

10:27:24 >>> All right.

10:27:28 For task forces.

10:27:31 Our combination of specific recommendations, and just the

10:27:33 general status report, characterizes this first report back to

10:27:39 you.




10:27:41 On the special events permitting task force, there are some

10:27:45 very specific recommendations.

10:27:47 In your packet, you should have an item titled cultural asset

10:27:52 permit subcommittee recommendations.

10:27:55 There are seven.

10:28:01 Of these, the first three, one-stop permit processing, a

10:28:04 streamlining effort to coordinate our work at city, so you go

10:28:09 to one office and get all your business done.

10:28:13 It has been discussed with city administration and legal.

10:28:18 Number two, central billing and invoice system, simplifies the

10:28:24 business of paying what needs to be paid and getting the money

10:28:26 disbursed to the correct department.

10:28:29 It's good business recommendation.

10:28:33 Number 3 is the City Council approval for certain street

10:28:36 closures.

10:28:37 This just reflects the realization that there is a step in the

10:28:41 process that requires a significant amount of time to

10:28:45 accomplish, that in the opinion of your advisory committee is

10:28:49 an unnecessary step.

10:28:52 So the recommendation is to amend the process to get approval

10:29:01 for the certain street closure.

10:29:07 Now, the rationale for these suggestions are to encourage a

10:29:12 more active schedule of events that promote our cultural

10:29:17 assets.

10:29:19 For the first three, we recommend to council to take action as




10:29:24 soon as possible.

10:29:28 Four, five, six and seven are significant recommendations from

10:29:33 those that have advised and shared their opinions with our

10:29:37 task force.

10:29:41 Number 4 is what is considered to be a mechanical step that

10:29:47 would not improve the process, the mayor's approval is

10:29:56 important but a step that requires an additional signature

10:29:59 that delay it is process.

10:30:02 We would recommend that be reviewed and eliminated unless

10:30:05 absolutely necessary.

10:30:08 Number 5 deals with temporary wet zoning, are focus on

10:30:15 noncharitable organizations, certain number per year.

10:30:19 It's a focused effort to facilitate those type of cultural

10:30:24 events that would promote the signature that we think will

10:30:29 help us move forward and create more energy in Tampa as a

10:30:35 destination.

10:30:37 Specific examples are noted in item 5.

10:30:41 Number 6 is a request to revise a facility permit fee,

10:30:46 depending on the numbers expected, time of year, reserves, and

10:30:52 again the attempt was to make it an attractive option for

10:30:56 those who want to do the work of sponsoring an event.

10:31:00 Then number 7 is city co-sponsorship of special events.

10:31:05 Any incentive at all that would encourage more events, more

10:31:09 things to happen, things that would promote a multi-day stay

10:31:14 for a visitor who may be in the area.




10:31:16 We should be, as a council, our recommendation is to be very

10:31:22 friendly to those types of requests.

10:31:27 So submitted to you, these are specific recommendations out of

10:31:31 the special events permitting group.

10:31:34 And of all the things we discussed, it appears to be the

10:31:37 signature that was strongest that we could use the help.

10:31:41 >>THE CLERK: Could we get a copy of that material for the

10:31:47 record?

10:31:50 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Yes.

10:31:50 Cindy is making copies.

10:31:51 Sorry that it was not there.

10:31:52 >>MARY MULHERN: Councilman Cohen?

10:31:56 >>HARRY COHEN: Thank you very much for that explanation of

10:31:59 these items.

10:32:00 I know that we all appreciate very much how much hard work

10:32:03 went into this, and I think it's really excellent when we get

10:32:08 recommendations that by considering we may be able to make it

10:32:12 easier on people to host the kind of events that we are trying

10:32:17 to promote.

10:32:21 First of all, I think that there's no question that we

10:32:26 schedule something in the near future to talk about these

10:32:27 items so that we can act on them quickly.

10:32:30 I wanted to just make a quick comment, though, on item number

10:32:34 3 and item number 7.

10:32:38 In terms of item number 3, it's, I think, important that we




10:32:44 have a mechanism for neighborhoods to comment on these

10:32:48 temporary street closures.

10:32:50 And so one of the things that I will be looking at when we

10:32:53 evaluate how to handle that is whether or not there's any kind

10:32:57 of an opportunity for public comment so that if in the past

10:33:02 there's been some problems with different street closures, we

10:33:05 have a way of knowing that and dealing with that.

10:33:07 And then the item, number 7, I think is an excellent idea.

10:33:14 The one thing I would add to it, though, is that I think it's

10:33:18 important that we have some lead time before we change our

10:33:20 process so that it doesn't start so quickly that people that

10:33:27 thought they were going to have an opportunity to apply for a

10:33:30 special event permit through the old process would somehow

10:33:33 find themselves.

10:33:36 So with those two comments, I certainly would be in favor of

10:33:39 taking up these matters at the pleasure of council.

10:33:42 >>MARY MULHERN: Councilwoman Capin.

10:33:45 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Item number 3, Rebecca Kert is here.

10:33:49 I want to make a correction that it doesn't add five days, it

10:33:55 adds 30 days.

10:33:56 And Rebecca Kert is here to explain the procedures that we

10:33:58 already have in place to understand it a little better on item

10:34:04 number 3, which would be --

10:34:07 >>REBECCA KERT: Legal department.

10:34:11 I'm assume number 3 is the special events coming to City




10:34:13 Council for approval?

10:34:16 >> Street closures.

10:34:17 >>REBECCA KERT: Currently under your special event s

10:34:20 ordinance as it's written now, and currently in city parks are

10:34:26 approved administratively, if they require street closure,

10:34:29 they are viewed administratively, and then eventually come to

10:34:32 City Council.

10:34:33 As City Council has heard me say before, that anytime you are

10:34:36 regulating parks and streets, streets and parks are the

10:34:42 quintessential public forum, and a court is going to review

10:34:45 your regulations very carefully.

10:34:47 Among other things they are going to insist that our

10:34:49 regulations are content neutral and they do not contain any

10:34:53 unbridled discussion.

10:34:55 Right now these come before you on your consent agenda.

10:34:57 They are not set for any sort of public hearing.

10:35:00 There is neighborhood notice provided by the officials to the

10:35:06 neighborhood association, and -- not directly, it's pasted on

10:35:11 the city's Web site, and also in downtown and Ybor, I believe

10:35:18 it's YCDC and the downtown partnership receive additional

10:35:22 notice.

10:35:22 However, they are not set for public comment, and they are not

10:35:25 set for public comment because, as I said, you are not

10:35:29 allowed -- if it's determined they meet all the requirements

10:35:34 you have legislative set up in advance council doesn't have




10:35:38 discretion to deny it because you don't like the event.

10:35:40 So on that, if there are any questions.

10:35:46 >>YVONNE CAPIN: So Gina is not here, and she chaired this

10:35:50 committee, this task force.

10:35:52 One of the things that was noted was that this was

10:35:55 ministerial.

10:36:01 Because the process is in place, and the event petitioner goes

10:36:09 through the process that we have set in place, or that council

10:36:12 set in place, therefore when it comes to us, it is ministerial

10:36:18 and it adds 30 days.

10:36:22 I want to know what is happening in our city, and what streets

10:36:26 are closing, but to add 30 days to the permit because it's

10:36:29 coming and it has to come on our regular City Council date,

10:36:38 for something that we cannot deny --

10:36:43 >>MARY MULHERN: Councilman Cohen.

10:36:44 >>HARRY COHEN: I want to pose a hypothetical here and ask you

10:36:49 how that fits into what you are saying.

10:36:51 And I understand what Councilwoman Capin is saying as well.

10:36:55 If we have -- if we authorize a street closure on our consent

10:37:03 agenda, an event takes place, and hypothetically there's an

10:37:08 outcry from the neighborhood around us, the following year,

10:37:12 when that same event comes back to us to ask again for the

10:37:18 same street closure, do we have any authority based on the

10:37:23 prior year's experience, and an up happy neighborhood, to deny

10:37:29 that request?




10:37:30 Or, in fact, does that fall into the category you were

10:37:35 describing where we still have no discretion?

10:37:42 >>REBECCA KERT: Let me answer.

10:37:44 That your code has specific standards for when an application

10:37:46 can be rejected.

10:37:47 If it doesn't meet any of those standards, regardless, if

10:37:51 people don't want that event in the neighborhood, and you can

10:37:53 think of some unpopular event that might want to take place

10:37:57 and have parades or protests or even festivals that the

10:38:04 community would not want in their area.

10:38:06 For that very reason neighborhoods might not want it, that the

10:38:10 court says you do not have discretion.

10:38:12 That being said, one of the things you can reject on is if

10:38:16 there was damage done to city property, and the applicant from

10:38:22 the prior year did not reimburse the city for any damage

10:38:25 caused.

10:38:25 >>HARRY COHEN: What about like excessive noise and things

10:38:30 like that?

10:38:32 >>REBECCA KERT: That is not in here.

10:38:33 That would be dealt with at the event.

10:38:34 >>HARRY COHEN: That would be dealt with at the event by the

10:38:37 police or whoever was --

10:38:39 >>REBECCA KERT: That's correct.

10:38:42 >>MARY MULHERN: Councilwoman Montelione.

10:38:44 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Thank you.




10:38:50 I have a couple of issues, and they are all related to zoning.

10:39:00 The economic competitiveness committee that I sat on I think

10:39:06 has already addressed the item number 1.

10:39:10 Could you give her a copy?

10:39:12 Item number 1, create the one-stop permitting process that is

10:39:16 all ongoing as part of all the regulations submitted by the

10:39:20 economic competitiveness committee to streamline that process.

10:39:23 >>REBECCA KERT: I know they have done that for land

10:39:29 development permitting.

10:39:29 I am not aware they have done that for special event

10:39:32 permitting.

10:39:32 >>LISA MONTELIONE: So the Construction Services Center, not

10:39:42 to use an acronym, is now co-locating Land Development

10:39:46 Coordination with someone from the fire marshal's office for

10:39:51 review of permitting.

10:39:53 So since they are in the same office now, and the special

10:40:00 event permit is talking about coordination between land

10:40:02 development review and the fire marshal.

10:40:04 >>REBECCA KERT: The special event permit is actually

10:40:09 administered by parks, and the special events department, and

10:40:13 they do reach out to all those different departments.

10:40:16 So it is different than the zoning.

10:40:19 This isn't a zoning issue.

10:40:21 It's handled by a different agency.

10:40:24 But they do involve many of the same entities in reviewing,




10:40:29 that's correct.

10:40:30 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Now it's co-located, so that is a step

10:40:34 toward that process of streamlining.

10:40:37 The centralized billing invoice system, and I don't know if

10:40:40 you can answer this one, with our computer systems being what

10:40:45 they are, until we have our TNI department upgrades, has

10:40:58 anyone talked to accounting?

10:41:00 Has anybody talked to all these departments? Because I don't

10:41:02 think a lot of our departments systems are integrated to

10:41:06 accomplish that.

10:41:08 From a technology standpoint.

10:41:12 But that is something else that as we go through the process

10:41:17 of upgrading our computer systems which we all approved, I

10:41:21 think that issue will work itself out once technology is in

10:41:36 place, and our computer systems just don't talk to one

10:41:39 another.

10:41:39 But I love that idea.

10:41:41 It makes perfect sense.

10:41:43 What has come to me before from someone who stages very large

10:41:47 events, very visible events, signature events, was that they

10:41:52 didn't understand why, as a part of the permit, they were

10:41:56 required to restore the grounds they were using to the

10:42:01 condition in which they found them, so they had to hire their

10:42:07 own staff to clean up the event space in the park, but yet

10:42:10 also had to pay for solid waste or park employees to be




10:42:17 on-site to handle any waste generated and pick up trash and do

10:42:24 that.

10:42:25 So that's something that's not specifically mentioned as part

10:42:29 of the billing and invoicing.

10:42:34 But there seems to be a redundancy if we are requiring people

10:42:37 to restore the park and clean up after themselves, why we also

10:42:42 are requiring them to pay for somebody to be on-site from city

10:42:46 staff to do the same thing?

10:42:56 I agree with you about the neighborhoods.

10:42:59 And when we call for public comment during a meeting, it's to

10:43:04 any item on the agenda first, or any item off the agenda, and

10:43:08 even though they are on the consent agenda, it still provides

10:43:13 anyone who wants to come and speak to that item has the

10:43:18 opportunity to speak to it.

10:43:19 Now, how we respond and whether or not we can address a

10:43:24 concern from a legal standpoint, maybe a separate matter, but

10:43:29 it might bring to light some issues that we hadn't heard about

10:43:32 before.

10:43:33 So it might require that there are additional police on hand,

10:43:38 or it might require that -- yeah, I don't know what might come

10:43:43 of it, but if a neighborhood is concerned about a particular

10:43:47 event that they have had issues with before, we may not have

10:43:50 heard.

10:43:52 Maybe there's extra solid waste people that need to be on

10:43:57 hand.




10:43:57 I don't know.

10:43:57 >>REBECCA KERT: Legal department.

10:44:01 In this case, as I said earlier, there is an opportunity to

10:44:06 provide notice, and if you are not satisfied with the notices

10:44:09 we are providing you can certainly look at.

10:44:11 That but notice is provided to the community.

10:44:15 If people have concerns or questions, their best bet would not

10:44:19 be to address City Council after the experts such as police or

10:44:24 fire marshal have already opined upon what the needs are, but

10:44:27 to bring those issues forward in advance.

10:44:32 If the experts in their field such as public safety and a

10:44:35 danger to public safety opine something and then City Council

10:44:40 feels differently, then we have already opened up an argument

10:44:44 that we do provide discretion, because there can be two

10:44:47 separate opinions.

10:44:48 That's why we recommend that we rely upon the experts that are

10:44:51 the reviewing agencies, and for them to rely upon the

10:44:57 knowledge they have in those field to determine whether or not

10:44:59 it meets the very clear and precise requirements that you have

10:45:05 previously set up.

10:45:06 >>LISA MONTELIONE: The temporary wet zonings, a lot of that

10:45:16 with the city moving forward to wet zone the event parks, I

10:45:19 think that's going to help a lot.

10:45:25 I would want to talk more about the noncharitable

10:45:29 organizations, limited per year and the preliminary




10:45:36 suggestions as Councilman Cohen suggested have another time

10:45:39 where we can discuss these in more detail would be helpful.

10:45:49 Number 6, the permit fee.

10:45:57 The fee is based on the number of people attending the event,

10:45:59 and the opinion is that fee should be based on the time of

10:46:01 year and size of the area reserved.

10:46:04 The number of people attending, I think, that speak to the

10:46:09 impact, the numbers of people have on its face.

10:46:13 I'm looking at legal staff.

10:46:17 Because the time of year wouldn't necessarily -- I can see

10:46:22 busier times of year, you can possibly make more money because

10:46:25 there's more people who would come.

10:46:29 The size of the area, could you have five acres and only 50

10:46:32 people, and that area is not going to be impacted as much as

10:46:37 if you have five acres and 5,000 people.

10:46:40 So I would still want to have some -- maybe a sliding scale or

10:46:47 something like that.

10:46:48 But I think -- am I correct, it's the number of people

10:46:51 impacted?

10:46:52 Is that the basis for what we have now?

10:46:54 >> Maurice Rodriguez from legal department.

10:46:59 You are correct. Traditionally that's how the fee schedule

10:47:02 has been based, on the number of people, and the impact that

10:47:05 number of people would have on the space.

10:47:10 However, one of the issues related to that is trying to




10:47:13 calculate how many people actually attend an event.

10:47:17 For example, our permit requires over 200 or more people.

10:47:21 So if we have 1,000 people show up, we are still going to get

10:47:25 the same fees.

10:47:31 So we are looking at how to tier the system.

10:47:37 >>LISA MONTELIONE: That's something I would be in favor of,

10:47:39 is having some kind of tier system --

10:47:42 >> Yes.

10:47:45 >>LISA MONTELIONE: -- so we are accounting for the number of

10:47:47 people, the timing and size and other factors.

10:47:52 >> Yes, that's exactly what we are looking at now.

10:47:55 >>LISA MONTELIONE: It just seems to me that number 7 may seem

10:47:59 counterintuitive, if we only have a review once a year, and

10:48:03 the committee meets annually, wouldn't that prevent

10:48:08 spontaneous events from being considered for partnership by

10:48:12 the city?

10:48:18 Maybe monthly is too much, but maybe quarterly might work.

10:48:21 Because if there's an event that maybe is happening because

10:48:27 it's timely or because it's trendy or because you have to

10:48:31 seize the moment and capture that moment in time, we only

10:48:37 review annually, it seems we are discouraging that type of

10:48:43 spontaneous activity rather than encouraging it.

10:48:45 >>> And I can't counter that argument.

10:48:53 The intent for both number 6 and number 7 are really to

10:48:58 incentivize events that promote our cultural assets.




10:49:02 And the effect we would hope to achieve is what would the fees

10:49:10 for the minimum appropriate, and number 7, actively -- provide

10:49:15 an active and responsive mechanism to get that co-sponsorship

10:49:19 program on the books.

10:49:20 And the council is open to the -- the committee is open to

10:49:28 your decision on the best way to implement that.

10:49:30 >>LISA MONTELIONE: That's all I had.

10:49:34 Thank you.

10:49:35 >>MARY MULHERN: Councilwoman Capin.

10:49:39 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Thank you for going over all seven of them.

10:49:42 We have the one-stop permit, just to answer your question.

10:49:47 What you may be referring to is what is being brought forth to

10:49:52 us which is streamlining for the RNC, which we recognize, and

10:49:56 was just brought last week, and some of those streamlining for

10:50:03 the RNC may work, and we could look at them and keep them

10:50:09 permanently.

10:50:10 The centralized build billing, what we notice is that

10:50:14 everything is in the upfront.

10:50:16 The streamlining is all upfront, you know, 60 days, you can

10:50:21 ask for permit RNC maybe four hours before, whatever it is.

10:50:25 What we did notice was that the centralized billing system is

10:50:31 afterwards, and some of these events, nonprofits or whoever it

10:50:36 is, who put the event together, may have closed their books,

10:50:40 and there is no -- they receive a bill 90 days, 120 days

10:50:45 later, from the department.




10:50:49 And so, therefore, one of the things I did talk to when I was

10:50:55 briefed on our $2.7 million system that we are putting in

10:50:59 place for zoning is, in fact, it could implement this.

10:51:06 And they said eventually.

10:51:08 So we are looking down the road.

10:51:10 And you are right as to where we are today.

10:51:15 I spoke with Linda Carlos was at the meeting, the task force

10:51:25 meeting, and one of the things that she said was because,

10:51:29 again, the way the system runs, the law enforcement and fire,

10:51:41 their system only bills the 15th and the 30th.

10:51:46 Therefore, we have this.

10:51:49 So this is a suggestion, we need to work on this and we need

10:51:54 to push that our $2.7 million that we spent for zoning and to

10:51:59 be able to permit for people to build here also included this.

10:52:06 So there's a lot of streamlining in the front part of the

10:52:11 permitting, but nothing on the back part of permitting.

10:52:15 Now, the third one, which is eliminating City Council approval

10:52:18 for certain street closures, again, the main crux of this was

10:52:24 when we found out that, in fact, when it comes to us, we do

10:52:29 not have the authority or the right to deny, because they have

10:52:33 gone through the process -- we can deny it.

10:52:39 We could also be left out because they did exactly what we

10:52:43 asked them to do.

10:52:45 The main part was that it added 30 days to the process.

10:52:49 And if we could find a way to do it, and faster, then that




10:52:55 would be perfect.

10:52:56 And number three is one of the main ones that we thought could

10:53:00 probably be acted on the soonest.

10:53:12 The mayor sign-off that we feel is ministerial, and we have

10:53:16 constant events at certain parks that maybe they should

10:53:19 include -- I know that they are talking about possibly --

10:53:27 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I believe it's an agenda item already,

10:53:29 last week or the week before.

10:53:32 >>YVONNE CAPIN: And they include others, and I do believe -- I

10:53:36 may not have been here that day.

10:53:38 I missed one meeting a week ago.

10:53:42 And the fees again, it is looking.

10:53:46 We looked at the timing here.

10:53:47 For instance, encouraging more events in slower times which

10:53:53 the YCDC does in Ybor, and to look at how do we encourage more

10:54:03 activity on the times of years when it's slower, which is

10:54:07 normally our summer?

10:54:09 And, of course, we have the discretion to look at this and

10:54:18 bring back whatever council feels would work.

10:54:23 And as far as -- number 7, and I floated task force to task

10:54:36 force.

10:54:36 Therefore, I pretty much sat in every task force -- was that,

10:54:43 just to give you an overview, we have events that happen year

10:54:48 after year after year.

10:54:54 And we need to look at those co-sponsorships.




10:54:59 Then what we are trying to do is encourage new events to come

10:55:03 in.

10:55:04 And this is very, like I said, a suggestion and a

10:55:12 recommendation to council, and of course we can, you know,

10:55:18 work on all seven.

10:55:19 >>HARRY COHEN: I just have a question for Councilwoman Capin.

10:55:24 Since you have been the driving force behind this committee,

10:55:29 what would be your preference as to how we bring back these

10:55:33 items?

10:55:34 Would you like us to schedule a workshop?

10:55:36 Would you like to us place them on the calendar for

10:55:40 discussion, at a date certain?

10:55:42 What did you have in mind in terms of making these

10:55:44 recommendations?

10:55:47 >> The workshop would be very advantageous, as you can see,

10:55:52 there's many parts to each one of these.

10:55:56 Number 3, however, is something that I would like to see put

10:55:59 on a time certain that we can discuss and maybe really help

10:56:05 the process in the long run; which is eliminate City Council

10:56:10 approval of certain street closures, or modify it to where it

10:56:15 is less time to the applicant.

10:56:24 >>MARY MULHERN: I haven't spoken yet, so he before we take

10:56:28 any action, I would just like to comment.

10:56:30 I think these permitting recommendations are overall really

10:56:36 great, and I appreciate the work that everyone went through on




10:56:40 that.

10:56:41 And I'm impressed that they have come to us with

10:56:49 recommendations we might be able to actually enact, so that's

10:56:52 great.

10:56:52 I do kind of have some questions.

10:56:54 I think things, my concerns are mostly brought up on number 3,

10:57:03 as far as the street closures, and I just want to say a little

10:57:12 more concern about, this because we are talking about -- we

10:57:14 are actually talking about closing public streets.

10:57:20 And normally, you know, I would assume that your elected

10:57:26 officials would have something to do with that.

10:57:29 Now, I don't agree with -- and I am going to ask Mr. Shelby

10:57:36 about this -- but we have adopted the criteria for when you

10:57:42 can get a permit for temporary street closure.

10:57:45 However, when we approve something, an agenda item, we are

10:57:52 actually, I thought, using our judgment to determine whether

10:57:57 we were going to approve it or not.

10:57:59 So the idea that we are just rubber stamping every time one of

10:58:05 these comes in front of us, yes, normally we do. They are on

10:58:08 the consent agenda.

10:58:09 But they are there on our agenda so that the public has an

10:58:15 opportunity to speak, because the public streets, you are

10:58:21 asking to have the right to close off a public street.

10:58:23 So to me, I think it's a bad idea, and I don't think I would

10:58:30 support that.




10:58:31 However, I think, you know, if we are really down to saying

10:58:37 you only need 30 days to apply for this --

10:58:41 >>YVONNE CAPIN: No.

10:58:41 I'm sorry.

10:58:42 It adds 30 days to the process.

10:58:44 The process can be 60 to 09 days.

10:58:49 One item adds 30 days.

10:58:50 >>MARY MULHERN: This is my feeling about this.

10:58:53 This is something that our administration needs to streamline

10:58:56 the process for the public to be able to do this, to make it

10:59:01 so that it doesn't take -- it shouldn't take that long.

10:59:05 Eliminating the possibility, the transparency and the

10:59:09 possibility for the public to have input, or for their

10:59:12 representative to be able to review this, and make a

10:59:15 determination of whether we should close public streets for a

10:59:18 private, you know, event is not what should be eliminated so

10:59:25 it processes faster.

10:59:27 What we need is efficiency in our departments to make that go

10:59:31 more quickly.

10:59:31 So I think that is unnecessary.

10:59:34 And then I also have a little bit of problem with number 4,

10:59:43 the next one, eliminating mayoral sign-off for temporary wet

10:59:47 zoning.

10:59:51 Over the last couple of years we have given more and more and

10:59:54 more administrative judgment, power to the administrator to




11:00:03 make all of these sorts of decisions, especially on wet

11:00:06 zonings.

11:00:07 So when we get to the point where -- and I don't know, I guess

11:00:10 if you are already -- already eliminated the City Council from

11:00:13 that part of the process, then you are going to eliminate the

11:00:16 mayor from the process, too.

11:00:20 It just feels like there's no direct oversight by your elected

11:00:27 officials.

11:00:28 So I'm not sure about that.

11:00:31 It might be okay, but I have some questions.

11:00:33 I would like Mr. Shelby to look at it for me.

11:00:36 When we come back.

11:00:38 Other than that, I think all these ideas are great.

11:00:41 Councilman Suarez.

11:00:42 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you, chair.

11:00:44 I have a quick question.

11:00:45 Maybe Rebecca Kert could answer this question.

11:00:50 I think the information that's put in item 3 and 4 shows a

11:00:55 practical, or should say, excuse me, a factual basis of what

11:00:59 actually happens.

11:01:00 I mean, we do essentially just pass these things, usually when

11:01:05 they are on the consent agenda.

11:01:07 There usually is not any discussion as far as I know from the

11:01:10 time that we have been on council together, I don't think we

11:01:12 have even had public comment about issuing a permit for




11:01:17 someone.

11:01:18 Now, my question, I guess, is what's the historical basis for

11:01:22 it being the way it is, if it is a ministerial type or

11:01:28 administrative type of process, you know, what's the legal

11:01:34 reasoning behind it, if any?

11:01:36 >>REBECCA KERT: There is no legal reasoning behind it coming

11:01:38 to City Council.

11:01:39 It was merely continuing what has been a long-standing

11:01:43 process.

11:01:43 But I will tell you that -- and I would be more than happy to

11:01:48 do the research, but I am fairly certain based on court cases,

11:01:53 it is unique for them to go to City Council.

11:01:55 At this time entire reason adult uses don't come to you.

11:01:58 A lot of people would like to comment on adult uses, but

11:02:00 because they are first amendment protected activities, you

11:02:03 have to remove the discretion and site your criteria in

11:02:10 advance.

11:02:10 And because City Council has the ability to deny these, but it

11:02:15 has to be based upon the criteria. And if there's going to

11:02:18 end up being disagreement based upon the police experts and

11:02:21 the fire experts and what City Council thinks, your decision

11:02:25 is tenuous at best.

11:02:26 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Our decision typically is based on public

11:02:30 safety concerns, as opposed to concerns about the type of

11:02:36 event, for the people putting on the event, or, you know --




11:02:41 and we can talk about lots of different reasons people might

11:02:44 not like a particular event because of the people involved.

11:02:47 But I understand that Constitutional precariousness we have

11:02:53 when it comes to council.

11:02:55 I like all the suggestions on here.

11:02:56 But I do take what Councilwoman Mulhern said.

11:03:00 There may be some streamlining that needs to be done on the

11:03:04 administrative side, too, because I think -- you know, and I

11:03:09 have been involved on the other side, on the private sector

11:03:12 side on permitting -- excuse me, on special events getting the

11:03:18 insurance portion of it.

11:03:19 And typically, it should be a fairly simple process, and it

11:03:23 becomes a much more complicated process when you are dealing

11:03:26 with public entities like cities, because they are checking

11:03:32 off boxes as opposed to just saying, all right, do you have

11:03:36 everything in order?

11:03:37 A lot of times there's a lot of confusion as to what the

11:03:41 certificates of insurance are supposed to say, there's a lot

11:03:43 of confusion as to what they are actually asking for, and I

11:03:47 think that some training might go into this to help us

11:03:52 streamline the process.

11:03:54 I think that there's a lot of things that we can do on the

11:03:56 administrative side.

11:03:58 And again, I agree with you.

11:04:00 I agree, we do these out of a matter of course, we don't




11:04:04 really discuss them, primarily because, you know, most people

11:04:07 understand when we look at those permits, they are either

11:04:11 events we have all gone, to they are events we are going to,

11:04:14 or they are events that, you know, we have no problem with.

11:04:18 And I think that we need to really balance out what we are

11:04:22 trying to do here.

11:04:23 I think that we are doing it.

11:04:26 I really appreciate what the committee -- the council, because

11:04:32 there's mundane things that people don't think about, but they

11:04:35 are so important to make things run smoother that we don't

11:04:39 usually talk about stuff.

11:04:41 Thank you.

11:04:41 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I have a suggestion.

11:04:51 And I understand why, I think, that the permitting process has

11:04:56 been based in the Parks Department, because a lot of these

11:04:59 events take place in a park.

11:05:01 So since the parks are managed by our Parks and Recreation

11:05:05 Department, that's why they have been permitting.

11:05:11 The first stop is the permit application.

11:05:15 Since we have a permitting division who is use to processing

11:05:20 the paperwork, would it be possible for our permitting

11:05:23 division to take over permitting for special events?

11:05:28 Because that's what they do.

11:05:30 And it may be that would simplify some of the processes of

11:05:38 just getting the paperwork accumulated, getting the documents




11:05:42 received, and then disbursed to the parties that need to get

11:05:47 them.

11:05:48 So maybe parks would be one of the reviewing agencies, as the

11:05:54 fire marshal is, and TPD is, and parks would be one of the

11:05:59 reviewing agencies, but they wouldn't be the permitting

11:06:03 division that issues that special event permit.

11:06:07 Just an idea.

11:06:11 One thing I did notice on the one handout that we have that

11:06:16 Mr. Ben son gave us was the City of Tampa cultural assets, the

11:06:20 one that breaks down into the four different categories.

11:06:26 And after looking at this for a little while, since we just

11:06:31 got it, I notice that one of the biggest things we talked

11:06:35 about initially was the cultural character, and part of what

11:06:39 we talked about this morning in the other presentations was

11:06:41 the cultural characteristics and the history of our city.

11:06:49 And what I am looking at doesn't seem to address the rich

11:06:53 diversity of citizens that we have here.

11:07:00 The ethnic communities of our Asian population of our middle

11:07:04 eastern population, of our south Asian population, there are

11:07:11 very large festivals that are held for those specific

11:07:16 ethnicities, and not just theirs but others, that aren't

11:07:22 accounted for here anywhere.

11:07:24 So where we talk about initially the first workshop, we talked

11:07:28 about the diversity in language and how a lot of people who

11:07:33 are coming here and talking about as an economic engine,




11:07:36 people who are coming here as visiting professors, people who

11:07:40 come here visiting researchers, or physicians, or technology

11:07:47 and folks who are working in the field of intelligent

11:07:51 transportation or whatever the field may be, they are coming

11:07:54 here from other places, they want to know that there is a

11:07:58 family here that they can fit into.

11:08:04 And I don't want to lose that in the aspect of the committee.

11:08:12 I feel that really needs to be part, a big part of this

11:08:17 conversation.

11:08:19 And having not just the festivals, but identifying those

11:08:27 elements that would make someone coming here feel that they

11:08:33 were welcomed as well as anybody else who lives here already.

11:08:38 So I want to make sure that that cultural aspect of ethnic

11:08:42 diversity, language of all of those characteristics, from that

11:08:49 standpoint isn't lost.

11:08:50 >>HARRY COHEN: Briefly, I wanted to return to the item number

11:08:55 3 for a second, because this has been very informative today,

11:08:58 and based on what Ms. Kert said earlier, it seems to me that

11:09:04 we can consider moving ahead with something that will

11:09:08 streamline and short ten process.

11:09:10 It may be that the place that we ought to look if we want to

11:09:13 evaluate is what the criteria are to begin with, that we are

11:09:20 using to allow something to be approved or not.

11:09:24 So perhaps when we come back to this item, at some point we'll

11:09:28 move in that direction as well.




11:09:29 Thank you.

11:09:35 >> (off microphone) it is not up to our discretion because of

11:09:43 the first right of amendment to free speech.

11:09:45 And we set up a criteria.

11:09:47 And you are right.

11:09:48 If we want to look at the criteria, but this part of it has

11:09:52 nothing to do with the criteria, we may want to look at I

11:09:56 think an option of moving it from consent agenda to staff

11:10:00 report where we still hear it and it's still there might be a

11:10:03 way of doing that and eliminating the time.

11:10:06 But I do agree that we can actually look at the process that

11:10:11 we put in place.

11:10:12 And as far as what was given on the cultural asset theme and

11:10:19 it says very clearly that these are examples.

11:10:22 If you will recall, on September 15th, for the cultural

11:10:26 assets and economic engine, there were 28 presenters and one

11:10:31 of them was on language.

11:10:32 When I speak of cultural assets, we speak in terms, and

11:10:40 foreign language is very much part of it.

11:10:43 And what we had, we had the representative from the

11:10:45 Hillsborough County schools talking, telling us the different

11:10:50 foreign languages that are taught in our schools, because we

11:10:53 are looking at economics.

11:10:56 And what we have found out is that when companies, foreign

11:11:02 companies are looking in our area to move here, they have a




11:11:05 list of criteria that they are looking for.

11:11:08 And many times on that list is what foreign languages do you

11:11:13 teach in your public schools?

11:11:16 They want to come into an area.

11:11:18 They want to know what we value.

11:11:20 Therefore, it is very well taken, and it is a very important.

11:11:24 But this is an example, and when we say this is six months, it

11:11:29 is truly not.

11:11:30 This committee was approved in October, which was six months

11:11:34 would have been September.

11:11:35 It was approved in October.

11:11:36 Our first meeting was in November.

11:11:38 Very close to Thanksgiving.

11:11:40 Our second meeting brought us into the holiday.

11:11:43 Everyone here worked very, very hard, the last three and a

11:11:50 half months, to bring this forward.

11:11:52 So it was not really a six-month process.

11:11:56 Our next one will be a six-month process.

11:11:59 So I want to keep in mind number three, that if we want to

11:12:03 still have a report on it, maybe think about moving it to a

11:12:08 staff report and eliminating the 30 days.

11:12:12 And we still have it on our agenda.

11:12:15 So that might be an option.

11:12:17 But I would like to look at this one particular one and look

11:12:21 at the process, and understand why -- again, Rebecca, it is a




11:12:29 first amendment right and that's what we are looking at.

11:12:32 So if someone would like to make a motion to bring forth

11:12:40 consideration for City Council on approval of street closures,

11:12:49 and the dates we can look at.

11:12:53 Is anyone looking at the calendar?

11:12:54 Okay.

11:12:55 >> How about April 19th?

11:13:00 >>YVONNE CAPIN: That would be perfect.

11:13:01 April 19th.

11:13:04 >>HARRY COHEN: Second.

11:13:08 Or so moved.

11:13:10 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Yes, I asked would you move it.

11:13:13 Staff report.

11:13:14 >>MARY MULHERN: Motion made by Councilwoman Capin -- or

11:13:18 Councilwoman Cohen, seconded by --

11:13:23 >> I'll second it.

11:13:24 >>MARY MULHERN: All in favor?

11:13:25 Anyone opposed?

11:13:29 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Thank you.

11:13:30 >>MARY MULHERN: And Councilwoman Capin, we have a few other

11:13:36 items here.

11:13:37 >>YVONNE CAPIN: We have the pièce de résistance come, or I

11:13:43 should say in the Spanish.

11:13:44 >> Would you like me to help bring to the closure?

11:13:54 I very much appreciate the discussion and the input.




11:13:59 To close out our discussion on the permitting issue, at the

11:14:03 end of the day what we are asking is for City Council to

11:14:06 really encourage the kind of activity that we are highlighting

11:14:09 here, make it a friendly place to come, to put to help promote

11:14:14 our cultural assets. If that is achieved we are very

11:14:18 successful.

11:14:18 Incentivize that and encourage it.

11:14:21 On the funding task force, Mr. Keeble gave you a break down of

11:14:26 our observation there is.

11:14:29 In the interest of closing that discussion, not many specific

11:14:33 recommendations are requested there, other than an

11:14:37 appreciation that it does take an investment to really get

11:14:42 traction on a program to promote your cultural assets.

11:14:45 Other cities have done so.

11:14:46 It's been successful and rewarded those cities in additional

11:14:52 economic benefit.

11:14:53 So we would ask you to keep your eye on that ball, to grant

11:14:57 discussion with our previous presentation is wonderful.

11:15:01 The suggestion that was grouped in a bunch of other

11:15:05 opportunities, you have something new coming on the books like

11:15:08 Internet cafes, and there could be an opportunity to designate

11:15:12 funding toward this type of cultural activity, and I encourage

11:15:16 to you look at that seriously.

11:15:19 The cultural assets discussion-oh thank you very much -- the

11:15:23 comment on making sure you don't underappreciate the cultural




11:15:27 mixture we have, the paella that really does represent Tampa,

11:15:32 makes us unique, absolutely.

11:15:35 We will go back into our discussion.

11:15:36 You see things like university system, the museum, the Ybor

11:15:41 City as a whole, La Gaceta, ethnic restaurants.

11:15:46 Those are pretty tangible things that represent culture, but

11:15:48 maybe there's other things that are in that group that we need

11:15:52 to highlight.

11:15:54 The marketing, again, have to have recommendations how to

11:16:00 spend it.

11:16:00 To market you have to have recommendations what to market.

11:16:03 But closely tied to marketing is branding.

11:16:05 And that leads us to a specific request to council to look at

11:16:10 the draft proposal that is designating and authenticating a

11:16:18 historic Tampa Cuban sandwich for Tampa.

11:16:23 What this does is it gives a signature of bona fide to lay

11:16:30 claim, and when you are going be host to people from many

11:16:33 different nations, we will be asked what makes you separate

11:16:36 and distinct?

11:16:38 So that is the basis for this draft resolution.

11:16:40 >>HARRY COHEN: I would just like to say that I know, speaking

11:16:45 for myself, I would have really appreciated a sample --

11:16:51 [ Laughter ]

11:16:51 -- in order to make this important decision.

11:16:53 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you, chair.




11:17:00 First of all, before we go on to the Cuban sandwich -- and I

11:17:03 have to say, unfortunately, the best Cuban sandwich I had I am

11:17:07 never going to have again because my grandmother used to make

11:17:10 them and they were absolutely delicious.

11:17:12 But I like -- now I am a Cuban sandwich, I feel sometimes,

11:17:19 because I am in so many ways, which is half Sicilian and half

11:17:27 Cubans in terms of a living example of that.

11:17:31 I will say that this is a great idea, and I just want to ask

11:17:34 one question, and I want to ask Dave, and maybe Councilwoman

11:17:39 Capin can answer.

11:17:40 Was there any discussion at all about some of the things that

11:17:44 are done in other cities where we have a cultural icon, like

11:17:47 in Washington, D.C. they had the pandas at the zoo and they

11:17:49 had all over the city kind of a little statute and they paint

11:17:53 them and do other things, and other cities that do that, too.

11:17:55 In New Orleans they have the streetcar and they have them

11:17:57 spread throughout the city.

11:17:58 And a particular group gets it and they paint them and do all

11:18:02 kind of things.

11:18:02 Was that ever discussed in terms of doing that with the city?

11:18:07 >> Absolutely.

11:18:08 At this stage, though, we kind of put that into the next

11:18:11 challenge.

11:18:11 When we come back to you, hopefully we'll have some, hey, it's

11:18:16 exciting initiative to lay on the table, to say, hey, what




11:18:19 about this?

11:18:20 Or did you think about that?

11:18:28 He has a Cuban sandwich shop.

11:18:32 All of the things that we have been talking about. It's

11:18:35 fashion, it's film, it's dance, it's music, it's literature.

11:18:39 Ironically, the only thing the Cuban sandwich has is a huge

11:18:43 Cuban sandwich where you do celebrate a historic Cuban

11:18:53 sandwich.

11:18:54 So what our task forces endeavor to do for you at this point

11:18:59 was propose, hey, let just document on a historical basis.

11:19:02 This doesn't say this is the best-tasting Cuban sandwich or

11:19:05 the most popular or the one that we want to promote.

11:19:09 Watt says is, according to those, we consulted, if you go back

11:19:13 into where that sandwich came from, yes, it did originate in

11:19:17 Tampa, and this was how it was prepared.

11:19:19 So this is the historic basis.

11:19:24 If we build one like that you can use it for marketing.

11:19:28 If you don't, then you just say, hey, this is my Cuban

11:19:31 sandwich.

11:19:32 But it accents our food, accents our culture and our history.

11:19:38 So it also is kind of in the center of circles on the cult

11:19:44 cultural assets.

11:19:50 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Thank you for that.

11:19:51 I would like to -- this part, I did not attend any of these

11:19:58 meetings.




11:19:59 And I know they had some tastings, but they had several, David

11:20:08 Audette chaired.

11:20:10 As you know, our committee is made up of 50 members of which

11:20:16 we have 14 now.

11:20:19 We also had determined that our fact finding task force did

11:20:23 not have to be committee members, but people that were

11:20:27 knowledgeable, that could reach out to the restaurants.

11:20:33 For instance, in this case, the restaurant history, professors

11:20:40 and such.

11:20:41 And one of the things that I am going to point out, and then

11:20:43 ask David to come up, full, the chair of the Cuban sandwich,

11:20:47 was that if you read the background -- and this is oral

11:20:51 history.

11:20:51 And oral history is always probably this happens this way,

11:20:56 because if you don't have it written, it can be -- it can be,

11:21:02 I think -- how is it?

11:21:08 It's not a total without doubt.

11:21:12 It is probable without doubt.

11:21:16 So one of the things that they found that I thought was really

11:21:18 interesting, I am going to point out, the immigrant community,

11:21:27 Cuban, German, Italian, Spanish, quickly evolved, and it was

11:21:32 known as a Cuban sandwich.

11:21:33 And I want you to point out that in our forum magazine, he

11:21:41 wrote an article here, and in it his first paragraph mention

11:21:45 it is Cuban sandwich.




11:21:48 This is how important it is that in the magazine that it's

11:21:55 distributed all over the State of Florida.

11:21:57 This is how we identified it in the first paragraph.

11:22:01 As far as our food.

11:22:05 And the sandwich was christened, the Cuban sandwich, because

11:22:09 the primary consumers were cigar makers.

11:22:12 Nearly all of them Cuban, who purchased the sandwich to eat at

11:22:15 a later time during their work break.

11:22:19 Thus the sandwich was named not for the island of cube but

11:22:23 rather in recognition of the Cuban cigar workers who made

11:22:25 Tampa their home.

11:22:26 And if you know anything about Ybor and Tampa, the

11:22:30 colloquialism is the sandwich, the Cuban sandwich, and that's

11:22:35 how this name came about.

11:22:38 The ingredients that was investigated on here from the task

11:22:44 force, and then -- vice chairman, if David can come up and

11:22:55 talk a little bit.

11:22:57 >>> Good morning, council.

11:23:00 You had a question?

11:23:04 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I wanted you to tell us a little bit about the

11:23:06 process, what tack place in order to come to this.

11:23:12 >>> Well, it's basically talking to a lot of people.

11:23:17 I have eaten Cuban sandwiches since 1970 when I first came to

11:23:21 Tampa.

11:23:22 So I have put in 42 years of research on that.




11:23:26 And it has evolved even over that short period of time, but

11:23:31 mainly I talked to the people that were the originators -- the

11:23:37 original families, at least the descendants, which would be

11:23:41 the Gonzmarts, Richios and everybody else from all areas

11:23:50 around here, Lutz, Plant City.

11:23:51 This sandwich was very influential to everybody that came to

11:23:54 Ybor City or to Tampa, in the early days of our city, now,

11:23:58 starting in 1986 when Ybor City was founded, and got a lot of

11:24:03 opinions.

11:24:07 And we distilled it down to what you see here, that's written

11:24:10 on this page.

11:24:12 And this was the consensus of the agreement, that these were

11:24:17 the essential items.

11:24:20 Then the one thing I would like to bring up, if I could, just

11:24:27 through a couple more discussions, the main one is that the

11:24:34 fact that electricity was an early invention when the sandwich

11:24:38 was being created, we had a lot of people opinionated about

11:24:42 whether it's -- we had written here that it should not be,

11:24:49 because originally the -- we think I not for us.

11:24:57 We are going to have a resolution that we should not worry

11:24:59 about that kind of thing.

11:25:01 I personally feel -- and I think a lot of people feel that a

11:25:04 sandwich pressed, heated, is the better Cuban sandwich.

11:25:08 But that's not the argument.

11:25:10 If we had somebody in Tampa or anywhere say it's Tampa's




11:25:15 historic Cuban sandwich and it has to have these ingredients,

11:25:19 and I think everybody that is on this committee with me, Tampa

11:25:23 people I spoke with, Cuban bread is absolutely essential.

11:25:28 I have been to Cuba.

11:25:29 I have been to Miami.

11:25:30 And doesn't serve a good Cuban sandwich.

11:25:37 But that's neither here nor there.

11:25:40 >>HARRY COHEN: I just wanted to say that reading the historic

11:25:44 documentation on how you came up with what does and does not

11:25:48 belong on the sandwich, I did think it was very interesting as

11:25:52 to why mayonnaise did not belong on the sandwich, and that was

11:25:55 because it would spoil.

11:25:57 And it says here that the sandwich was designed specifically

11:26:01 to be sold so that it could be eaten later.

11:26:04 >> That's exactly the kind of arguments we had over and over.

11:26:09 And I believe that mayo is not something that goes on a Cuban

11:26:13 sandwich.

11:26:18 >>YVONNE CAPIN: The resolution is before you.

11:26:19 It's a draft of a resolution.

11:26:20 And on the second page -- and I do believe it was an oversight

11:26:28 of the committee, and in order for the sandwich to carry the

11:26:31 label historic Cuban sandwich, no other ingredients may be

11:26:36 added to the sandwich.

11:26:37 The sandwich may not be heat order pressed.

11:26:40 That part is getting into micromanaging people.




11:26:45 If I walk into a restaurant and I say -- basically it's

11:26:49 stating, this is historically founded in Tampa.

11:26:52 How you want to eat it is up to you.

11:26:56 So that sentence we would strike from the resolution.

11:27:02 So therefore it's going to come back to us for approval with

11:27:07 the changes.

11:27:08 Is that right, David?

11:27:09 I think that's what you brought up to us.

11:27:12 >> Remember the way we discussed on the committee is hopefully

11:27:19 businesses that serve the sandwich or want to serve the

11:27:21 sandwich would have a certificate from the council, perhaps in

11:27:25 the window or on their wall, and on the menu they would be

11:27:28 able to say, you know, this is Tampa's historic sandwich.

11:27:32 I think that's what we are saying.

11:27:36 I not tongue in cheek whatsoever.

11:27:40 It is representative of my city, I think, at least as a

11:27:43 sandwich.

11:27:43 It talks about the history of our culture and it just a

11:27:46 perfect symbol.

11:27:48 I think that's why we have been doing the Cuban sandwich show

11:27:51 for 20 years which is a cultural show, slightly tongue in

11:27:56 cheek, but all the layers of poetry, arts, et cetera, was

11:28:01 metaphor.

11:28:01 And again that show is about Tampa.

11:28:05 Irregardless of the genre or the type of art it is, it has to




11:28:12 be the subject of Tampa.

11:28:14 As far as not having a Cuban sandwich tasting, it's a

11:28:19 political thing.

11:28:20 [ Laughter ]

11:28:23 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Thank you.

11:28:24 So, therefore, that would be -- this resolution is presented,

11:28:29 and it should be voted on as maybe our next meeting, because

11:28:40 that should be struck.

11:28:42 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I apologized, but I have not had an

11:28:47 opportunity to review that resolution and it requires my

11:28:49 signature on it.

11:28:50 And I would appreciate, fits going to be on the next meeting,

11:28:54 it should be on the doc agenda.

11:28:56 It has to be on the 15th so county go through the process.

11:29:02 >>YVONNE CAPIN: That would be perfect, the 15th, and it

11:29:04 gives time to look it over and make that adjustment to strike

11:29:07 that.

11:29:08 Otherwise, one of the things I want to say -- and I'm going to

11:29:11 refer to Councilman Suarez, because I was absent at last

11:29:16 week's meeting, but I did watch it.

11:29:18 And one of the things he said was when Donna came up to the

11:29:25 podium and referred to Tampa as the paella, and Councilman

11:29:30 Suarez say I think it's more like a Cuban sandwich.

11:29:34 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I ways going to second your motion to place it

11:29:37 on the agenda for the 15th.




11:29:39 >>MARY MULHERN: Motion made by -- 19th.

11:29:45 >>MARY MULHERN: Made by Capin, second bid Suarez.

11:29:53 All in favor?

11:29:54 Anyone opposed?

11:29:56 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Thank you.

11:29:57 I need to amend my last motion on item 3 for the cultural

11:30:04 permitting to give better direction to staff on what we are

11:30:07 looking for.

11:30:09 What I am proposing is that the procedures that are in place

11:30:15 to be looked at, and for them to come back to us with

11:30:20 recommendations to those procedures.

11:30:23 Along with the procedures.

11:30:24 >>MARTIN SHELBY: May I ask for clarification?

11:30:31 Is that with regards to removing the need to come before City

11:30:43 Council?

11:30:43 And the other is the basis for the administrative decision.

11:30:46 If I understood your discussion, that was my sense, but you I

11:30:51 don't want to put words in your mouth.

11:30:52 So whatever council's direction is.

11:30:54 I would ask if you put it on for staff reports that you give

11:30:57 direction to staff so they are able to act upon what council's

11:31:00 intent is.

11:31:08 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I do believe we want to look at the processes

11:31:10 and place and to come back with recommendations in order to

11:31:13 streamline that process, and along that line to discuss either




11:31:21 the elimination or moving it to another part of our agenda.

11:31:26 >>HARRY COHEN: I think we also wanted, though, to talk about

11:31:35 the criteria to make the organization determination.

11:31:40 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Right.

11:31:41 Criteria and recommendations on that criteria. Thank you for

11:31:44 bringing that.

11:31:44 >>MARY MULHERN: Motion by Councilwoman Capin, seconded by

11:31:49 Councilman Cohen.

11:31:50 All in favor?

11:31:51 Anyone opposed?

11:31:52 All right.

11:31:55 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Need to make one more motion pertaining to

11:31:57 this.

11:31:58 And I do believe this is the correct time, I made a motion on

11:32:07 March 8th on Internet streetscape cafe for our legal staff

11:32:18 to look into that regulating, and possibly looking at revenue

11:32:26 stream for the City of Tampa.

11:32:28 And how that would work.

11:32:32 That is one of the things that we looked at in this committee,

11:32:37 and had a meeting about, and I would like to ask that when

11:32:45 that report comes back April 5th on the Internet cafes,

11:32:52 that they bring forth what possible revenue streams,

11:32:57 regulations, because right now we have none.

11:33:00 I would also like to look at possible moratoriums on these

11:33:06 until we are able to structure the regulation, and/or




11:33:14 contracts, so that we may look at if there is a revenue stream

11:33:19 that is to be committed to the arts.

11:33:28 And that's my amended motion for Internet cafes.

11:33:34 And the reason is because of the funding.

11:33:36 It came up in the funding on here.

11:33:37 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I'll second.

11:33:43 And if I could, chair, the Internet cafe, I think we were also

11:33:47 looking to see if --

11:33:50 >>YVONNE CAPIN: The reason that they asked me to, I brought to

11:33:52 the April 5th so that was after the legislative session

11:33:59 ended, and they did not act on it, this is the second year,

11:34:03 and they are basically leaving it up to the municipalities.

11:34:06 And I have investigated some municipalities just to give an

11:34:10 example.

11:34:12 Hialeah gardens, Hialeah has mom and pop operations.

11:34:16 They have put a moratorium on permits.

11:34:22 It's somewhere in the vicinity of $2 million.

11:34:25 So it is a very important issue that we need to be ahead of.

11:34:31 >>MARY MULHERN: Motion made by Councilwoman Capin, seconded

11:34:36 by Councilman Suarez.

11:34:37 All in favor?

11:34:39 Anyone opposed?

11:34:42 >>YVONNE CAPIN: One more thing.

11:34:43 Almost done.

11:34:44 On the Cuban sandwich resolution, I would like to




11:34:47 investigate -- and I don't know if we have any either

11:34:55 certification to go with that, so that the restaurants can

11:34:57 have that, and the City Council can provide, that, yes, we do

11:35:04 indeed proclaim this the historic Tampa cube 'n an sandwich

11:35:09 and that they are serving it, or -- I have my notes here --

11:35:21 trademarking it.

11:35:23 And I don't know if the City of Tampa has any trademarks.

11:35:26 Those are two things I would like for legal -- for us to look

11:35:30 at for April 15th.

11:35:31 >> Second.

11:35:36 >>YVONNE CAPIN: April 19th.

11:35:36 >>MARY MULHERN: Motion made by Councilwoman Capin, seconded

11:35:40 by Councilman Suarez.

11:35:41 All in favor?

11:35:42 Anyone opposed?

11:35:46 >>YVONNE CAPIN: And I am going to make one more.

11:35:51 We have a 15-member committee, and we have one at-large seat,

11:35:57 and I would like to ask the council to approve Mr. Emanuel

11:36:04 Lato, the director of marketing of the Tampa Bay history

11:36:07 center, to be approved to be the 15th vendor.

11:36:12 >>HARRY COHEN: So moved.

11:36:18 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Second.

11:36:19 >>MARY MULHERN: All in favor?

11:36:21 Aye.

11:36:22 Anyone opposed?




11:36:25 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Thank you.

11:36:26 >>> If I may very short closing remarks, thank you for your

11:36:31 time.

11:36:32 Thank you for chartering this advisory committee to talk about

11:36:37 cultural assets.

11:36:38 As I mentioned, the newspaper article recently, Tampa is on a

11:36:47 tipping point, and we are beginning in places like New York

11:36:50 City and Chicago and Philadelphia, and Miami and those place

11:36:54 that are already branded, trademarked, and realize economic

11:36:59 benefit from their cultural assets.

11:37:02 Independently, I know Montega has been addressing cultural

11:37:10 tourism, and we have asked him to share his views of the

11:37:12 economic impact of tourism for Tampa.

11:37:16 Florida is a tourist-driven economy, and if you look at where

11:37:21 Tampa is going for service development and economic

11:37:24 development, having the kind of people that enjoy the things

11:37:27 we are talking about today, living in Tampa is a tremendous

11:37:31 human capital resource that will pay great different tend.

11:37:36 Thank you.

11:37:37 Lie forward to seeing you again.

11:37:41 >>YVONNE CAPIN: And I want to thank everyone on the committee

11:37:43 for their hard work and very valuable time and for being here

11:37:45 today to present our results.

11:37:48 And I want to congratulate Mr. Lato and thank him for coming

11:37:55 on board to our committee.




11:37:56 Thank you, Mr. Scott, for all your time.

11:37:59 >>> My pleasure.

11:38:02 Thank you.

11:38:02 >>MARY MULHERN: Item number 6 is continued already.

11:38:17 Do I have a motion to continue item number 6?

11:38:20 >>HARRY COHEN: So moved.

11:38:22 Do we have a date certain we want to continue it to?

11:38:24 >>LISA MONTELIONE: We don't.

11:38:36 And I think I have an explanation.

11:38:38 >>HARRY COHEN: I think it would have to the 26th of April

11:38:41 because that's our next workshop.

11:38:44 >>CATHERINE COYLE: Planning division.

11:38:47 The purpose of really continuing it is, as you notice in the

11:38:50 memo, is that it's representing that the sidewalks changes and

11:38:55 any language that will come forward to deal with those are

11:38:57 part of the recommendations that we will be dealing with in

11:39:00 the July cycle.

11:39:01 So in theory, we could remove it from the agenda because there

11:39:05 will be a series of workshops that we will be scheduling as

11:39:07 part of that agenda, or I would say if you are going to

11:39:11 schedule it, it would be after July.

11:39:15 >>HARRY COHEN: Amend the motion to remove it from today's

11:39:18 agenda.

11:39:18 >>CATHERINE COYLE: Thank you.

11:39:21 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Second.




11:39:22 >>MARY MULHERN: Motion by Councilman Cohen, seconded by

11:39:28 Councilman Montelione.

11:39:31 All in favor?

11:39:32 Aye.

11:39:34 Council, item number 7, if I may.

11:39:43 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Item number 7 is going to be lengthy and I

11:39:49 was going to motion that we break for lunch now and come back

11:39:52 in an hour.

11:39:53 >>MARY MULHERN: Councilman Reddick made the motion.

11:39:58 Is he here?

11:40:04 If he's here, I would like to hear from him.

11:40:11 >>LISA MONTELIONE: And although made the motion I expanded

11:40:16 it.

11:40:16 >>MARY MULHERN: No, I just wanted to hear from him about

11:40:20 that.

11:40:20 So what is your recommendation, to go to break now and come

11:40:26 back?

11:40:28 Let's hear from people who have been waiting to speak on this

11:40:31 all morning.

11:40:32 And if I could --

11:40:36 >>CATHERINE COYLE: Planning division.

11:40:37 The only thing I would say we are all here, prepared, and many

11:40:40 of us come from elsewhere.

11:40:42 We are in a longer located in downtown and we all have a

11:40:44 series of meetings this afternoon on our calendars and outside




11:40:47 people.

11:40:48 That's the only thing.

11:40:50 >>MARY MULHERN: This should be very lengthy.

11:41:06 And this is going to take probably at least an hour.

11:41:11 So I don't know, we could have -- I think it would be better

11:41:17 if we had a motion to maybe just work through lunch.

11:41:23 All these people are here and have been waiting all morning.

11:41:26 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Okay.

11:41:27 Fine.

11:41:27 >> Fine with me.

11:41:31 >> There he is.

11:41:35 >>HARRY COHEN: I move we work through the 12:00 lunch hour

11:41:42 and extend to 12:45 and we can readdress it then.

11:41:46 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Second.

11:41:47 >>MARY MULHERN: All in favor?

11:41:49 Anyone opposed?

11:41:56 Mr. Slater?

11:41:57 >> Jake Slater, director of neighborhood services.

11:42:03 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Are we supposed to take public comment on the

11:42:08 previous workshops first before we proceed?

11:42:12 I was just looking at the agenda.

11:42:13 I want to make sure we are following procedure.

11:42:15 >>MARTIN SHELBY: That would be appropriate if you wish.

11:42:22 >>MARY MULHERN: Public comment on the --

11:42:27 >>MIKE SUAREZ: On the previous workshops.




11:42:28 >>MARY MULHERN: One previous workshop.

11:42:31 Is there anyone to speak on the previous workshop on cultural

11:42:34 assets?

11:42:39 Seeing none.

11:42:41 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you, chair.

11:42:44 >>> Good morning.

11:42:47 Jake Slater, department of neighborhood services, code

11:42:51 enforcement division.

11:42:53 Glad to be here this morning with you folks.

11:42:56 Wanted to frame this workshop based upon Councilman Reddick's

11:43:02 motion back in December to provide an overview of the Code

11:43:05 Enforcement Board processes that we utilize on a regular basis

11:43:10 with regard to the civil citation process, Code Enforcement

11:43:13 Board has to process and then criminal court.

11:43:17 And to give council a little bit of an update about how many

11:43:26 cases we have been working on and comparison about the cost

11:43:29 factor.

11:43:29 So if I could have the PowerPoint, please.

11:43:43 The Code Enforcement Board operates under Florida State

11:43:46 statute number 162, and also 166.

11:43:53 It provides us the power to enforce the code enforcement

11:43:58 issues.

11:44:03 It provides us the authority for the inspectors to ensure the

11:44:08 compliance by using civil citations.

11:44:11 The Code Enforcement Board -- the department, excuse me --




11:44:16 enforces three main ordinances under city code.

11:44:19 Chapter 19, property maintenance, chapter 20.5, signs, and

11:44:24 chapter 27, zoning.

11:44:27 Under the Code Enforcement Board, we have special magistrates.

11:44:33 We currently have six special magistrates.

11:44:36 We have the three chapter 19 maintenance cases, one magistrate

11:44:42 handling zoning cases, we have one handling signs, one

11:44:45 handling chapter 13 tree cases, and our special magistrate

11:44:51 dedicated to chapter 5, building cases.

11:45:08 The civil citation, the ordinance was enacted in March of '08,

11:45:12 and circumstances where the Code Enforcement Board nor the

11:45:16 county criminal courts assistance were effective means.

11:45:22 In the civil citation process, we utilize that exclusively for

11:45:27 the three main code enforcement violations.

11:45:30 Overgrowth conditions, trash accumulations, and inoperative

11:45:37 type of vehicles.

11:45:42 Under chapter 166, we also have the ability to issue orders,

11:45:47 and that's where we came to council with awhile ago, and those

11:45:52 orders allow us to recoup the money that we spend on hard cost

11:45:58 liens such as mowing, bedding, and also demolitions.

11:46:08 Under the civil citation again, the three main ones we use are

11:46:14 overgrowth, trash accumulations, and inoperative type of

11:46:19 vehicles.

11:46:22 On the Code Enforcement Board, what we utilize those are for

11:46:25 the cases that take more time.




11:46:27 Zoning cases.

11:46:28 They just have the structural cases.

11:46:31 Tree cases.

11:46:32 The ones that are really more overall complicated.

11:46:45 Let me go to the next slide here.

11:46:47 Okay.

11:46:48 These are some stats we put together since '05, 6, 7, 8, 10

11:46:58 and 116789 you can see when the civil citation process started

11:47:01 in '08, it took us about almost a year to address and get it

11:47:06 up and running.

11:47:08 We had a bunch of administrative issues which we had to

11:47:10 address.

11:47:11 But since that time, the cases going to the Code Enforcement

11:47:14 Board have been reduced, and the cases going to actually

11:47:21 Hillsborough County civil court have been increased.

11:47:26 One of the biggest advantages is that the time factor.

11:47:30 When we use a civil citation process, in order to take the

11:47:35 case to the full court, it takes about 60 to 75 days. If we

11:47:41 use the Code Enforcement Board process, it takes seven to nine

11:47:48 months.

11:47:48 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Say those numbers again, Jake?

11:47:53 >> When we use the Hillsborough County civil citation process,

11:47:56 it takes about 60 to 75 days from the initial warning to the

11:48:04 inspection about when the civil citation is actually written

11:48:09 to when it goes to court.




11:48:12 And also, very important that any cost factor on that is about

11:48:17 $45.

11:48:19 In comparison to the Code Enforcement Board process, it takes

11:48:25 between seven and nine months, and the cost factor is about

11:48:31 $310.

11:48:33 So the civil citation process has worked out great for us.

11:48:41 Also, the use of the foreclosure registry enacted back in

11:48:47 2010, we currently have about 2600 properties registered in

11:48:56 the city, and that number actually fluctuates every day.

11:49:02 The overall revenues that we have for our 2010 was 242,000.

11:49:09 2011 was about $337,000.

11:49:13 So it paid for itself.

11:49:14 >>HARRY COHEN: Councilwoman Montelione.

11:49:19 >>LISA MONTELIONE: (off microphone) civil citations column,

11:49:27 5,598 warnings and 615 citations in 2011?

11:49:33 >> Yes.

11:49:34 >>LISA MONTELIONE: We have that high a rate of compliance?

11:49:38 >> Yes.

11:49:39 Yes.

11:49:39 About 85%.

11:49:42 When we issue the initial warning, that when we have to issue

11:49:48 the actual citation, it averages about 85 to 88% compliance

11:49:53 rate.

11:49:55 Yes.

11:50:00 We have been very, very happy with that.




11:50:02 Very, very pleased.

11:50:03 In fact, we have had a lot of other jurisdictions come and ask

11:50:06 us how it's working.

11:50:08 And we have actually helped to implement that.

11:50:18 I wanted to bring this up to council's attention.

11:50:20 This is another overall program, which we have implemented

11:50:24 through the mayor's office, operation W.I.N. in working in

11:50:31 neighborhoods.

11:50:32 We have utilized community service workers.

11:50:34 We have a great partnership working with Hillsborough County

11:50:36 sheriff's office, and the Salvation Army.

11:50:39 And this is a win-win program.

11:50:41 It doesn't cost the taxpayers anything at all.

11:50:43 And it's helped out in the neighborhoods tremendously.

11:50:47 And we thank you for coming out and helping us.

11:50:49 >>LISA MONTELIONE: That was fun.

11:50:53 >> Once a month.

11:50:58 One of the other things that we do on a daily basis impound

11:51:03 illegal snipe signs on rights-of-way.

11:51:06 It takes a lot of time, a lot of effort.

11:51:10 These are numbers for the past two years.

11:51:12 Code enforcement also clean city, and you can see the numbers

11:51:20 speak for themselves.

11:51:21 Over 24,000 snipe signs.

11:51:26 It's a blight in the neighborhood.




11:51:32 We will have further discussion about enforcement efforts.

11:51:35 But we do have a lot of time invested in this.

11:51:41 And it does take a lot of overall efforts.

11:51:49 And just as soon as we go out and pick them up, they end up

11:51:53 back out there again.

11:51:54 Especially on Fridays and Saturdays and Sundays.

11:52:07 There's one gentleman south of Gandy that picked up in excess

11:52:09 of 3,000 signs in the last year.

11:52:17 But overall, I think with the recent reorganization, with code

11:52:23 enforcement working with clean-up, actually cities, that's

11:52:26 going to help us out tremendously.

11:52:28 We had operation win in Hyde Park this last week, and also VM

11:52:38 Ybor, and with their overall resources, it has been a great,

11:52:41 great asset to us on that.

11:52:47 I want to give an overview of the cost factor involved also.

11:52:51 >>HARRY COHEN: Are there any questions from council members?

11:52:56 Councilman Reddick.

11:52:57 >>FRANK REDDICK: Thank you, chair.

11:53:00 I understand there's severe problems with the snipe signs.

11:53:09 I see them all over my district.

11:53:11 And I get a lot of complaints from them.

11:53:22 If anything can be done that we can do to strengthen the

11:53:33 ordinance to make it more enforceable as well as -- to make it

11:53:40 more threatening to those who are putting them out there?

11:53:43 >> We have been meeting, Councilman Reddick, code enforcement,




11:53:48 legal department, land, but as a code enforcement director, I

11:54:03 would sure welcome anything that would help us, and I know on

11:54:09 any of these subjects, we do have some language on the books

11:54:12 now that we haven't been able to use because of the legality

11:54:15 issues.

11:54:16 But I think I would rather defer to the legal department.

11:54:19 >>FRANK REDDICK: And let me raise that question with legal.

11:54:25 If legal will come up.

11:54:28 >> It's not an easy fix.

11:54:30 >> ERNEST MUELLER: Assistant City Attorney. We have been

11:54:30 trying to look at enforcement of snipe signs. That also

11:54:30 includes garage sale signs, lost pet signs, campaign signs.

11:54:30 There's a lot of things that have to be enforced equally. We

11:54:30 are trying to come up with an enforcement process that treats

11:54:30 them equally.

11:55:28 Code enforcement, trying to come up with enforcement that will

11:55:33 work that isn't just going to fall back on code enforcement

11:55:36 and clean cities just picking them up.

11:55:38 We want to see if we can find a way to motivate people to not

11:55:42 put them down, that it's not going to be worth it by you using

11:55:45 civil citation process, being able to fine them for each sign

11:55:49 that we find, but sometimes there's no real identification as

11:55:56 to who this person is, and we are having code enforcement is

11:56:00 going to start looking at what it's going take to try to

11:56:03 investigate those types of snipe signs that only have a phone




11:56:06 number and a service but no name to see if we can find this

11:56:09 person to be able to do some sort of citation enforcement on.

11:56:13 But there's been an investigation going on, and this is going

11:56:16 to take some work.

11:56:17 >>FRANK REDDICK: I think most of those snipe signs, as soon

11:56:23 as you take them up they can be back out there.

11:56:26 And I think they are put down at night.

11:56:31 And mostly weekends.

11:56:37 I think I have got a recommendation.

11:56:42 >>ERNEST MUELLER: Sure.

11:56:46 >>FRANK REDDICK: Now, the city is buying all those cameras

11:56:49 for the RNC.

11:56:51 If we stop placing those cameras on different pole as round

11:56:54 the city, where the city -- has the vast amount of those

11:57:02 signs, I think there might be a way of catching some of these

11:57:05 people who are putting the signs out.

11:57:06 Maybe there's an alternative that you can look at, what we are

11:57:11 going to do for signs when the convention leaves, look at

11:57:15 placing them in areas where there's a high volume of snipe

11:57:18 signs, illegal signs, that are placed in neighborhoods.

11:57:22 And I just throw that out there as a suggestion.

11:57:28 Something has to be done because in the neighborhood it

11:57:30 doesn't look good, and I just want to throw that out.

11:57:34 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much, Councilman Reddick.

11:57:37 Ms. Montelione, then Mr. Suarez.




11:57:39 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Ms. Coyle, can you talk to me a little bit

11:57:43 to extend the conversation about the snipe signs?

11:57:45 How does our sign ordinance define a snipe sign or an illegal

11:57:52 sign as opposed to what is a legal sign in the city limits?

11:57:59 >>CATHERINE COYLE: A snipe sign by term is a prohibited sign.

11:58:08 Hang on one second.

11:58:09 I actually have it.

11:58:17 I'm trying to save paper.

11:58:20 If you can actually read.

11:58:21 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Look at that!

11:58:23 >> If you go to chapter 20.5-15 prohibited signs, specifically

11:58:30 snipe signs are a prohibited sign, and further chapter 19,

11:58:34 which is the chapter, they are also identified as litter.

11:58:41 And that's what gives enforcement the right to pull them up

11:58:44 and take them away.

11:58:46 So they already are prohibited.

11:58:48 >>LISA MONTELIONE: It gives everybody the right to pull them

11:58:53 up and take them out of the right-of-way, correct?

11:58:56 >>CATHY COYLE: I would imagine.

11:58:59 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I have a trunk full any day that I pull

11:59:03 out my neighborhood.

11:59:03 So if they are considered litter, and they are in violation of

11:59:07 our Land Development Code, what prevents us from having any

11:59:12 enforcement action against the people who place those?

11:59:14 Because if I'm a business owner, and I put an illegal sign on




11:59:18 my building, I get in trouble for it.

11:59:21 The property owner does.

11:59:23 Zoning, you know, has teeth to come after me and make me

11:59:27 remove the sign, or bring it into compliance.

11:59:30 But if I am one of the people who own the businesses that are

11:59:34 placing the snipe signs, you can do it all day long and get

11:59:38 away with it.

11:59:38 >>CATHERINE COYLE: Part of the discussion we are having,

11:59:44 really, when you see some of the signs in the pictures that

11:59:46 Mr. Slater showed you in the PowerPoint, where it is a phone

11:59:49 number, you see a phone number, he has a reverse directory

11:59:56 capability, and find out who owns that phone number, track

12:00:00 that person down and issue some kind of citation.

12:00:03 So we went through a lot of different scenarios.

12:00:05 You also have potentially where party city is the name of --

12:00:10 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Right.

12:00:11 Those are usually real estate signs, whether it's a house for

12:00:14 rent or for sale.

12:00:15 So I don't know why we need a reverse directory to find out

12:00:19 who owns the house that is advertised.

12:00:21 So if I have a three bedroom two bath house and it gives me

12:00:25 the address and a telephone number, now I have the address of

12:00:28 the house that they are advertising for sale or for rent, and

12:00:32 I also have the phone number of who it is that is advertising

12:00:35 that house for sale or for rent.




12:00:37 So we have two pieces of information right there on the front.

12:00:42 >>CATHERINE COYLE: The issue we are running into is not

12:00:44 necessarily how to track it back.

12:00:45 That is part of the issue.

12:00:47 It's the time involved with that investigation.

12:00:51 Mr. Slater can speak to it a little more.

12:00:53 There are a limited number of officers, a limited number of

12:00:57 time.

12:00:57 And you can see from the clean city and code enforcement

12:01:00 numbers that he showed you, picked up 24,000 signs in the last

12:01:04 year and a few months.

12:01:06 And taking the time and trying to track down those numbers and

12:01:10 investigate those locations, there is potential that some of

12:01:12 those signs being picked up decreases.

12:01:14 That's what we are running through and trying to come up with

12:01:16 the best protocol to get the highest percentage of signs

12:01:19 picked up, to make it a very clean process legally that we can

12:01:22 actually track the people down.

12:01:25 That's what we are working through right now, I believe.

12:01:27 >>JULIA COLE: Legal department.

12:01:33 And keep something in mind that when you are talking about

12:01:37 citing against a parcel of property where not only can you go

12:01:40 after the owner of the property, but you can ultimately go

12:01:43 through the code enforcement process and lien the property if

12:01:48 don't come into compliance, it's much different than enforce




12:01:52 the code and rights-of-way by the city.

12:01:54 And do you have certain legal obligations for notification for

12:01:57 citations, et cetera, where you are just calling up numbers

12:02:00 and trying to get that information.

12:02:02 I'm not saying it's impossible.

12:02:03 We actually, in our code, have some abatement processes in

12:02:08 place.

12:02:08 But they are just not effective.

12:02:10 We are working very hard right now to try and see how we can

12:02:13 utilize citations processes in a much more patient way against

12:02:18 these signs in the right-of-way.

12:02:19 As it stands right now, sign code is not part of the citation

12:02:24 process.

12:02:25 It is through the code enforcement process.

12:02:26 So that is what we are looking at.

12:02:28 We have had several meetings on this.

12:02:30 And while it seems like it should be simple, there's a lot of

12:02:33 nuances, and keep in mind we are not the only community that

12:02:37 has trouble with this.

12:02:38 It is something that is difficult for all communities, and

12:02:43 it's something that gets written about, something that gets

12:02:46 talked about in seminars, but it's one of these very difficult

12:02:49 things to deal with and enforce.

12:02:51 Keeping in mind that you have to, when you enforce your sign

12:02:54 code, you have to do it in a content-neutral way.




12:02:57 We can't favor one kind of sign over another.

12:03:00 So we want -- we are dealing with the political signs, we are

12:03:04 dealing with the garage sale signs, we are dealing with the

12:03:06 open house signs, and we have to deal with them in the same

12:03:09 manner as we deal with the we buy house signs or we will cut

12:03:17 your lawn people.

12:03:20 So we are looking to try to see how we can utilize our

12:03:24 citation process in a way with our snipe sign process that

12:03:28 will get us the best we can get without overwhelming --

12:03:34 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Well, the way homeowners associations deal

12:03:37 with garage sale signs, would you be allowed to have two

12:03:41 garage sales a year.

12:03:42 And then that way, if we use some element of that type of

12:03:49 system, it could be content neutral, now.

12:03:54 You can put out a sign twice a year.

12:03:58 If you have your signs put out more than twice a year, and

12:04:01 that would mean two specific days, then you are in violation

12:04:05 of the code.

12:04:06 And you can be fined or cited or whatever process we use to go

12:04:11 after that.

12:04:13 It would eliminate signs being out every single day during tax

12:04:17 season from February to April 15th.

12:04:22 That way, it would be content neutral, and you can put out

12:04:26 signs twice a year.

12:04:28 And it's just a suggestion I have.




12:04:30 >> Our garage sale provision right now is twice a year. Again

12:04:35 it's one of those things where it's on the books when you are

12:04:39 enforcing it, it becomes complicated, but exactly what you

12:04:43 mentioned of the type of things we are work there you go to

12:04:45 try to figure out a content neutral way to enforce our sign

12:04:52 code in a manner that eliminates a lot of this junk, we can

12:04:57 all agree it's a lot of junk that ends up in our right-of-way.

12:05:01 >> And just so that I know, to find it back what progress we

12:05:07 are making, if we are working through, do we have an estimated

12:05:11 date of when a draft regulation might come back?

12:05:16 Because this is an issue and a problem for as long as I have

12:05:21 lived in the City of Tampa, and that's quite a number of

12:05:26 years.

12:05:28 >> In the timing of this, one of the things that Jake Slater's

12:05:31 group is doing, they are going to be trying to do an

12:05:33 investigation on those types of signs where you have the full

12:05:35 number and the service and see how long it's going to take

12:05:38 them to be able to figure out who that is and be able to cite

12:05:46 them.

12:05:47 That length of time will be important for us to really work in

12:05:49 time frames and everything else and do an effective code

12:05:53 enforcement.

12:05:53 We don't want to put something else out there and then find

12:05:55 out it's not going to work and come B.C. again and ask for a

12:05:59 change.




12:05:59 >> We do that all the time.

12:06:02 >>ERNEST MUELLER: But we would like to stop.

12:06:06 That what we would like to do is have effective code

12:06:08 enforcement.

12:06:09 We need to know what can and can't be done.

12:06:12 We need for Jake Slater's group to try to investigate these to

12:06:16 see if it's feasible for us to go after these people, or

12:06:19 whether we should just be doing an abatement process where we

12:06:23 pull up and try and build the quote-unquote beneficiary.

12:06:27 So we need to get a better idea on how we can investigate --

12:06:34 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Mr. Slater, do we have an idea how long

12:06:36 it's going to take?

12:06:37 And may I ask, will you accept volunteers for this project?

12:06:41 Because there's probably a lot of people out there that would

12:06:44 be willing to volunteer their time to help you.

12:06:46 >> Jake Slater: Absolutely.

12:06:50 I just don't know about the responsibility or the overall

12:06:53 legal issues about allowing someone to go on the right-of-way,

12:06:59 if I tell them that it's okay, giving them --

12:07:02 >>MARY MULHERN: There's a couple of neighborhood associations

12:07:04 that already do that.

12:07:05 >> Other cities are doing that?

12:07:10 >>JULIA COLE: Legal department.

12:07:11 Certainly we know that a lot of folks do this on their own

12:07:13 time but we have to be very cognizant of it becoming city




12:07:18 sanctioned because it could create other liability problems.

12:07:22 >> If I may say one word thinking about snipe signs.

12:07:29 Our officers average on the weekends probably between 80 and

12:07:36 100 signs being actually picked up.

12:07:39 That's one thing that you have to take a look at, is how long

12:07:41 is it going to take to us go back and actually do the

12:07:45 research, do the investigation, make the phone calls, and try

12:07:50 to identify the actual benefactor.

12:07:54 Some of the signs are easy.

12:07:55 They have the name and address and the phone number.

12:07:57 Some of the signs are tough.

12:08:01 Hauling junk.

12:08:02 Who do we go after on that one?

12:08:04 So we are learning this as we go.

12:08:08 As the attorney said, it's not an easy fix.

12:08:10 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Well, I think hauling junk would be one of

12:08:17 the easier ones because they are a corporation and we would go

12:08:20 after companies.

12:08:20 To me the harder ones would be the individual realtors or

12:08:25 citizens who are advertising their own investment property or

12:08:30 home that they can no longer afford and trying to get it

12:08:34 rented out.

12:08:35 To me that would the difficult one.

12:08:36 The easy ones would be the tax services and the commercial

12:08:40 type of signs, because there is an actual corporate entity




12:08:44 that you can get in touch with, and you can contact, and you

12:08:48 can find.

12:08:48 >> And we have done that in the past and we are currently

12:08:54 doing it now.

12:08:55 We are actually trying to work through all to come up with the

12:08:59 best overall practices.

12:09:00 >>LISA MONTELIONE: And I'm just trying to help.

12:09:03 And I know that personnel is an issue and it's going to be

12:09:08 even more of an issue because I read in the paper that the

12:09:10 mayor is looking for each department to come up with 10% cut

12:09:15 back?

12:09:15 >> Yes.

12:09:16 That means there will only be 5 council members.

12:09:19 [ Laughter ]

12:09:24 >> Thank you, chair.

12:09:27 Mr. Slater, or Mr. Mueller, whoever, quick question.

12:09:32 League of Cities usually has some type of model ordinances,

12:09:36 model ways of actually doing some things.

12:09:39 Have we looked at -- what's the gold standard in terms of the

12:09:42 State of Florida, and some of the cities that are out there

12:09:45 that are doing it?

12:09:46 Have you all looked at any of the ordinances in terms of how

12:09:49 they are treating this, and saying we have had success in this

12:09:52 particular way?

12:09:54 >> I don't have that information available.




12:09:56 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Mr. Mueller?

12:10:06 >>ERNEST MUELLER: We have looked at a few other communities as

12:10:10 to how they are doing enforcement.

12:10:12 We are in the middle of that process right now.

12:10:14 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I was curious because I know with the League

12:10:17 of Cities especially we get a lot of information from them

12:10:20 concerning different ordinances, different kinds of doing

12:10:26 businesses, and that kind of information gathering is

12:10:29 important.

12:10:30 I'm glad to see you are doing that.

12:10:31 >> We try to see if someone else has a good working process.

12:10:36 We don't like to have to reinvent the wheel.

12:10:40 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Let me just say this.

12:10:43 We have got so sophisticated, we have become stupid.

12:10:50 Everything is in computers, and I'm not after everybody, but I

12:10:57 hope I don't hurt anybody's feelings.

12:10:59 If you pick up these signs on a daily basis, sooner or later,

12:11:04 you outwear the enemy because it's about money.

12:11:08 And sooner or later they are going to run out of money because

12:11:11 they can't continue to put up the signs for 15, 30 minutes a

12:11:15 day and the sign doesn't have livability of only eight hours.

12:11:19 Unless they put up the sign at midnight and pick it up at 10

12:11:24 in the morning.

12:11:24 So let's go back in history, and instead of worrying about the

12:11:28 computer, putting it in the computer, finding out what the




12:11:30 computer will tell you and who to send out, if this person

12:11:34 knows, just send a pickup truck, a little weighted rock in the

12:11:39 back, make sure they don't fly off.

12:11:42 I'm being too simplistic about this.

12:11:44 More importantly, and I don't know the answer to this,

12:11:50 somebody buys a house, two bedroom, one bath.

12:11:55 Now their mother wants to live with them.

12:11:58 God bless 'em.

12:11:59 Then they add onto the house.

12:12:01 But the mother doesn't want to live with you because she wants

12:12:05 her privacy, and I understand that.

12:12:07 Now you built a kitchen, which is illegal, and you have given

12:12:18 her separate entrance so she doesn't lose her identity and her

12:12:21 feeling that's her place.

12:12:22 And that's the way it should be.

12:12:23 Everybody wants a place.

12:12:26 Medically and psychologically it's the best thing to have.

12:12:30 However, they leave for whatever reason.

12:12:36 They get upscale, they move to West Tampa.

12:12:41 So what happens now?

12:12:43 Somebody buys that house.

12:12:46 And eight months later, what's going on here?

12:12:56 I don't New York City I just bought this house.

12:12:58 You have an illegal house.

12:13:00 You have to knock down half the house.




12:13:01 How do we have the heart to do that when -- I don't know. I

12:13:11 can show you hundreds.

12:13:13 And 100 of them in my neighborhood that have an apartment.

12:13:18 I'm not after that.

12:13:19 I'm just telling you.

12:13:20 We drive with our eyes closed because if I can see them, so

12:13:24 can everyone else.

12:13:26 But we don't do anything until that house is sold, and some

12:13:33 innocent person buys that house and he or she is told, you

12:13:36 have to knock down half the house, because big government

12:13:40 wants you.

12:13:40 It's wrong.

12:13:41 But he didn't do it, but we are holding somebody else

12:13:46 responsible for somebody else's action.

12:13:48 And that's wrong.

12:13:49 So how do we solve a scenario like that?

12:13:54 The other day I went to look at three houses.

12:13:58 75% of them, three out of four, had an apartment with a

12:14:03 separate entrance to the house.

12:14:08 Yes, sir, Mr. Wonder.

12:14:10 >> Mr. Chairman, nice to see you again.

12:14:14 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: In my pleasure to see you.

12:14:15 >> That's not an easy fix.

12:14:17 I know that code enforcement right now in those type of issues

12:14:22 respond to complaints.




12:14:23 I drive those areas over there just as you do.

12:14:27 We do not do -- we currently do not do any proactive cases for

12:14:33 that type -- for those type of violations unless we get a

12:14:36 complaint, and then we contact the LDC office, zoning, and ask

12:14:42 that they get involved in regards to their overall

12:14:44 interpretation.

12:14:46 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: And I'm not asking for that.

12:14:47 >>JAKE SLATER: I don't want to force anybody out.

12:14:51 I don't want to come down, but just as you said, when the

12:14:56 house is sold, someone else comes in, or a neighbor calls with

12:15:00 us a complaint.

12:15:01 We had a situation with pavers over in Europe, where they put

12:15:10 down pavers that didn't meet the code.

12:15:13 And I remember going to a meeting, over at Mr. Daignault's

12:15:19 office -- actually, legal was there, and the homeowners were

12:15:24 so upset and they put all their heart and soul in this house

12:15:27 and the pavers, they started to cry.

12:15:31 And I said, you know, what's the practical solution to this?

12:15:36 That's how I operate.

12:15:38 I don't have all the answers in regard to the zoning issues or

12:15:42 the apartments or the pavers.

12:15:44 My motto is what's the practical solution?

12:15:47 It might not be what city code, but how do we fix this?

12:15:53 And sometimes I drive over, and kind of go like this

12:15:56 sometimes.




12:15:57 Because there are a bunch of violation out there.

12:16:00 >> ERNEST MUELLER: As to the enforcement practice we are

12:16:06 trying to use on those type of cases, that's where the Code

12:16:09 Enforcement Board process would come in, and we are trying to

12:16:13 get this Code Enforcement Board process to be the more

12:16:16 friendly, help people along.

12:16:19 In this scenario you provided, it may not have been permits.

12:16:25 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: There never was a permit.

12:16:28 If it's a permit that worked --

12:16:33 >>ERNEST MUELLER: But we need them to go ahead and try to get

12:16:35 that addition, whatever you have done to be legal.

12:16:37 That's where the Code Enforcement Board process is supposed to

12:16:40 help Seth set out these realistic long-term deadlines to help

12:16:44 people in this type of situation, where it might cost them

12:16:48 some money, unexpectedly give them time.

12:16:50 That's what we are trying to get that code enforcement to be,

12:16:53 friendly, set some deadlines, help people get these things

12:16:56 squared away.

12:16:58 There are some out there that want to make our Code

12:17:00 Enforcement Board process penal.

12:17:03 And we are taking a lot of criticism for that.

12:17:05 But we are trying to really help bring those people and those

12:17:08 violations into compliance.

12:17:09 And that is where we are trying to use that Code Enforcement

12:17:11 Board process for.




12:17:15 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'm going to have to respectfully disagree,

12:17:20 because it's not going to happen.

12:17:25 Unless we change the system that whoever buys that property,

12:17:36 the board is not going to do that, because the code says you

12:17:39 can't have it.

12:17:40 So we are going to be in the same room here with different

12:17:43 individuals discussing it at much further length and costing

12:17:48 somebody tens of thousands of dollars that they don't have.

12:17:53 They don't have.

12:17:54 And we are penalizing the wrong parties.

12:18:01 Real estate transactions are done all the time.

12:18:06 I watched.

12:18:07 And the local newspapers got all of these, and I check these

12:18:12 houses to look for my own information.

12:18:14 That's how bored I am.

12:18:17 Got nothing to do in the evening.

12:18:19 And I check.

12:18:23 I would say 40% of those residents have an attachment to the

12:18:29 house.

12:18:30 However, you get a one-inch overhang that doesn't meet the

12:18:35 seven-foot setback, and guess what, you are right here again

12:18:40 saying take the one inch off.

12:18:45 The other day I had a gentleman -- they would leave notes on

12:18:49 my door, that I can fix everything.

12:18:52 I can't.




12:18:53 One note said come buy by this house.

12:18:57 And I did

12:18:58 And I asked the guy, what's the problem?

12:19:00 He said, well, I built this here without a permit.

12:19:03 How far are you?

12:19:05 I'm seven feet from the property line.

12:19:07 I said, yeah, you're seven feet from the property line all

12:19:10 right, when you are going in the door.

12:19:11 But the problem is you are seven feet to that side and you are

12:19:14 two inches from the property line when you finish the

12:19:16 building.

12:19:21 Walked in the backyard.

12:19:24 I looked to the neighbor.

12:19:26 There was a building that was started when I had curls.

12:19:31 The plywood was all dried out, rotted out, eaten out, and I'm

12:19:36 telling myself, whoever came here to issue this violation, he

12:19:40 was cited.

12:19:41 How come they didn't see that?

12:19:42 And I'm looking at it.

12:19:44 How come they didn't see that between his property and the

12:19:46 other property there was a six by ten trailer full of stuff, I

12:19:56 mean, there had to be rats there.

12:19:58 How come that wasn't cited? I looked across the street.

12:20:02 I see a house with a separate entrance.

12:20:04 And it looked like a duplex.




12:20:09 It looks marvelous.

12:20:10 They did a marvelous job.

12:20:13 The old entrance is here.

12:20:15 They covered the carport.

12:20:16 They put the same type of arch here.

12:20:18 It looks like a regular house.

12:20:20 But I noticed two doors.

12:20:22 I said why do they have two doors?

12:20:26 Stupid, because they got two residents.

12:20:28 Then I go two blocks down.

12:20:30 I see one house, another house behind the house.

12:20:33 I mean, a house behind a house.

12:20:37 Thank God the mother-in-law was there or somebody and he

12:20:40 wanted to keep the whole family happy.

12:20:42 But what I'm saying is, we are not going to be able to control

12:20:46 this 110%.

12:20:47 It won't happen.

12:20:50 Unless the public adheres to something they will accept.

12:20:55 So we are chasing ourselves.

12:20:59 Instead of having all these reports and legal and law and the

12:21:03 court, just pick up the sign.

12:21:05 Sooner or later, you are going to wear them out.

12:21:07 And now they have got so smart, they go 14-foot because you

12:21:11 got an 8-foot ladder and you ain't going to reach 14 feet.

12:21:15 Used to have it at 12 but now they go 14 because you can't get




12:21:18 to it.

12:21:20 So you have to have a taller ladder.

12:21:23 It's just so simple but so difficult.

12:21:26 And I'm trying to humor it a little bit so that we understand

12:21:32 it's very hard to fix.

12:21:34 And I understand your frustration, the legal department, we

12:21:38 can't do this or we are going to get sued.

12:21:40 Sue me, I don't care.

12:21:41 I'm taking down the sign.

12:21:43 It's got to come to something.

12:21:44 We can't be perfect.

12:21:46 And we are not going to win them all but we are certainly not

12:21:48 going to lose them all.

12:21:50 And the expressway entrances ingress and egress.

12:21:53 You see three bedroom, two bath, $29,000 in good condition.

12:21:58 Huh?

12:22:00 Can't buy it.

12:22:01 But they are all over the place.

12:22:06 Yes, ma'am, I hope you have some better news.

12:22:09 >>LISA MONTELIONE: As I often do I would like to talk about

12:22:13 the money.

12:22:14 And the only way we are going to get, I think, Mr. Slater the

12:22:17 help that he needs in the field is to find the revenue stream

12:22:21 to bring back to his department some of the money that's

12:22:26 expended.




12:22:26 I went through -- this is nine months worth of resolutions for

12:22:33 mowing and accumulations for lien, and just quickly looking

12:22:39 through doing a little bit of research, not a lot, some of the

12:22:44 names of the companies that are owning some of these

12:22:48 properties, because there are repetitive resolutions here, or

12:22:53 repetitive liens on properties that are owned by the same

12:22:56 company, and I ended up 40,229.43 worth of liens, and that's

12:23:06 just on a few of the companies that have us mowing their lawn

12:23:15 for them.

12:23:16 One of them we just happened to pay a whole lot of money to

12:23:20 buy a piece of property from them, but they owe us $300

12:23:24 because we had to mow one of their vacant properties, there's

12:23:30 a particular bank out there that has -- and I would say

12:23:34 because of the foreclosure usual you and all these houses are

12:23:38 vacant?

12:23:38 No, the bank I looked into that owns several of the properties

12:23:42 has only owned the property since 2005.

12:23:46 So it's not like a recent thing that they just foreclosed on.

12:23:51 They have had this land for quite some time.

12:23:54 There were several investors who are repetitive, and there's a

12:23:59 couple of people that do business, a couple of nonprofits that

12:24:02 do business with the city on a regular basis that also own

12:24:05 properties that we are mowing for them.

12:24:07 And the idea that we don't know how long it takes, with all

12:24:11 due respect, like the chairman likes to say, that it takes a




12:24:14 long time to figure out who owns these properties, how to get

12:24:17 in touch with them, how to track them down.

12:24:20 It took me less than two or three minutes on some of these

12:24:25 individual companies that own these properties to find out who

12:24:28 they are.

12:24:29 Some of them I have on my cell phone number because I know we

12:24:32 do business with them as a city.

12:24:34 So I know these people.

12:24:36 All I have to do is pick up the phone and say, hey, do you

12:24:38 know that your property hasn't been mowed?

12:24:41 Maybe it's something that slipped through the cracks.

12:24:44 Maybe they don't even realize that they own the property.

12:24:46 And we are sending out notices that go nowhere because it's

12:24:50 being sent to the wrong P.O. Box or to the wrong individual at

12:24:54 the company.

12:24:55 Who knows why they are not responding to the notices?

12:24:58 But as the chairman says, pick up the phone.

12:25:01 Pick up the phone and call these people.

12:25:05 If I were looking at these potential liens pressure to them

12:25:10 coming here to council after the lien has already been filed,

12:25:14 I would do it myself.

12:25:15 I would pick up the phone and call them up and say, look, save

12:25:19 the city $300.

12:25:21 Mow your property.

12:25:22 Or we are going to do it for you and bill you, please pay the




12:25:27 bill, because it's not worth the time for us to go all the way

12:25:30 through the process of Code Enforcement Board, to go all the

12:25:33 way to the clerk to file this lien, when we know we are never

12:25:36 going to collect it.

12:25:37 And that leads to my question of Mr. O'Hara.

12:25:43 I had asked that we have an idea of the funds that we are

12:25:48 able -- the liens and funds that we are able to collect.

12:25:53 >>> Yes, ma'am.

12:25:55 Good afternoon.

12:25:57 Dennis O'Hara, revenue and finance department.

12:26:00 We have that for you right now.

12:26:01 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Yea.

12:26:05 I love numbers.

12:26:08 >> As you will shortly ascertain from looking at the

12:26:27 information I just passed out, we are not collecting all that

12:26:30 much money right now from fines.

12:26:33 And associated with Code Enforcement Board.

12:26:35 Some of you, that will come as no surprise to.

12:26:39 There was some discussion earlier about the different dynamics

12:26:43 associated with this, and there are some dynamics associated

12:26:45 with this, too, that I would like to talk to you, now that I

12:26:48 passed the information out.

12:26:49 But first can I just walk you through the information?

12:26:52 And then I'll give some comments.

12:26:54 You see that we have confined it to two fiscal years.




12:26:58 2010 and 2011.

12:27:00 And these again are liens and fines solely associated with

12:27:03 Code Enforcement Board.

12:27:05 We have the number of cases.

12:27:07 615 for 2010 and 318 for 2011.

12:27:11 About half in 2011, 2010.

12:27:14 Total fines -- and I will circle back to this figure because

12:27:17 it's very large in both years, almost $9 million in 2010, over

12:27:23 3.5 million in 2011.

12:27:25 Homesteaded properties, there's a reason we are throwing that

12:27:27 in there, 330, about half of that in '11.

12:27:31 The homesteaded fine amounts, this is that portion, for 2010,

12:27:36 for example, this is that portion of the 8.7 million that is

12:27:40 associated solely with homesteaded properties, and that's

12:27:43 almost 4.5 million.

12:27:44 The reason we put that in there is to reiterate and point out

12:27:49 we cannot attach a Lunn to a homesteaded property.

12:27:52 And I will circle back to that in a minute also.

12:27:55 A line nobody wants to be look at, the total fines received,

12:28:00 associated with these years from a budget perspective, as you

12:28:04 all probably figured out, is inconsequential, a little --

12:28:07 $52,000 in '10 and under $7,000 in fiscal year '11.

12:28:13 Cases paid, less than 112.

12:28:16 Percentage total cases collected relatively small.

12:28:21 Moving on down to the lien information, again, 2010-11, the




12:28:26 number of cases, the total lien amounts, again roughly half of

12:28:31 one year to the next. Total fines received from budget

12:28:34 perspective, inconsequential.

12:28:36 There are no game changers in terms of revenue receipts.

12:28:40 Cases paid and again the percentage total cases collected.

12:28:47 Before we open it to questions, if I could frame this for you

12:28:49 because there are a number of dynamics.

12:28:51 Beginning with that second line, total fines.

12:28:58 Jake and I and Ernie and our staff met a couple of times on

12:29:01 this issue, and we have some ideas.

12:29:03 But looking at that total fine amount is a business to say the

12:29:10 least.

12:29:10 For instance, me as a budget officer looked at this initially

12:29:14 and said, not only are collections deficient for what the fine

12:29:18 is out there, but shouldn't we be looking at some sort of

12:29:23 anticipated receipt of this revenue?

12:29:26 I see you shaking your head and there would be no point to

12:29:30 looking that the as revenue because one of the great examples

12:29:33 we like to throw around, in that $8.8 million worth of fines

12:29:37 could be a $50,000 home with $300,000 worth of fines

12:29:42 associated with it.

12:29:44 From a revenue perspective, that's not real money.

12:29:47 It's not even going to approach what that fine is.

12:29:50 So one of our challenges is how do we frame the fine both in

12:29:55 terms of revenue receipt, but how do we frame the fine in




12:29:58 terms of managing expectations as to what can be collected?

12:30:02 Because if you have a $350,000 property and a $300,000 fine on

12:30:06 it, I have really got to manage my own expectations.

12:30:09 Because I am not going to get through 300,000 for that

12:30:13 property and obviously I have to manage the administration and

12:30:16 you all's expectation.

12:30:18 So we have a very big challenge just jumping off into this

12:30:21 discussion, and that's the amount that we can realistically

12:30:25 anticipate.

12:30:28 Keeping that in mind, if you move on down, see that the

12:30:32 homesteaded properties in each year account for about half.

12:30:36 Again, as I mentioned before, we are prohibited from attaching

12:30:39 liens, things like that to homesteaded property.

12:30:43 But even setting that aside, in nonhomesteaded properties

12:30:47 would you think you have about $4 million to collect fines on,

12:30:50 and we collected only $52,000 in 2010.

12:30:53 We definitely have a disconnect between our expectations and

12:30:56 what we are receiving.

12:30:58 I think that's apparent from the information I shared with

12:31:01 you.

12:31:02 And then I think that will be my segue into what you mention.

12:31:07 How do we maximize the collections associated with what we can

12:31:10 realistically expect to get?

12:31:12 And that's one of the challenges we are working with right

12:31:14 now.




12:31:15 There are a number of moving parts, and some of them are just

12:31:18 a bit misleading, and this is my product.

12:31:23 And I will just use an example again, 2010, this is my

12:31:26 product, and I hate to come up and tell you my own product --

12:31:32 but it is, because we have identified almost $9 million in

12:31:35 fines associated with cases in 2010 that we are simply not

12:31:40 going to collect.

12:31:40 And as we have these discussions, Ernie, thank you, as well as

12:31:46 all staff, Jake and his staff, we have got to change

12:31:50 something.

12:31:50 And we ask ourselves, if not now, as we have this

12:31:54 administrative reorganization and the code enforcement

12:31:57 department and legal more closely with the budget department,

12:32:00 if not now, when?

12:32:01 So it's going to be now.

12:32:02 We just don't know exactly how we are going to change it yet.

12:32:05 But I can tell you right off the bat we need to manage some

12:32:08 expectations in terms of what our revenue receipts are going

12:32:11 to be.

12:32:12 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Well, I know anecdotally someone goes

12:32:17 through the process, and is levied fines of $100 a day.

12:32:22 And it's almost as if that number is pulled out of the air.

12:32:27 It really doesn't represent anything.

12:32:28 And it's meant as a punitive, well, if we charge them $100 a

12:32:34 day they'll get it done faster.




12:32:36 Not necessarily.

12:32:37 Because what I have been advised, and Luke I said, anecdotally

12:32:45 know, is that someone will maybe come into compliance, and

12:32:48 they'll waive the fine.

12:32:51 Or greatly reduce them.

12:32:52 Or it never even gets that far.

12:32:54 They come into compliance, and then before you not, they are

12:32:58 back again.

12:32:59 Because there really isn't any teeth to what we do in code

12:33:04 enforcement.

12:33:06 And I always bring that only up because if we can identify a

12:33:11 way to -- even break even in reimbursing ourselves for the

12:33:17 effort that we put forth, it would be a major improvement.

12:33:21 Having the code board is an expense to the city.

12:33:25 Mr. Slater can use some help.

12:33:28 This is an outdated map.

12:33:30 But this is a map of the code enforcement officers and the

12:33:34 territory they have.

12:33:38 It's astounding that so few people have to keep an eye on the

12:33:43 entire city.

12:33:44 And then we complain that there are issues of code

12:33:48 enforcement.

12:33:50 I'm looking -- the north Tampa community plan.

12:33:54 And when I talk to people, the biggest complaint they have --

12:33:58 and the low-hanging fruit, so to speak to improve the area in




12:34:02 the site corridors along Busch and Fowler are -- I think if we

12:34:08 can just clean up the code enforcement issues, that's the

12:34:14 determined step.

12:34:15 We don't even have the officers available to target those two

12:34:19 streets.

12:34:22 Staffing is a huge issue.

12:34:24 So if we can improve the collections and the revenue on one

12:34:28 hand, and dedicate whatever revenue we collect through that

12:34:34 process, then there would be a stream that Mr. Slater can

12:34:40 count on to supplement his budget, you know, with whatever he

12:34:45 gets from the general fund.

12:34:46 And the other is that I think it's very unfair, because on

12:34:52 your chart, that you gave us, the 2010 number of cases paid

12:34:57 were 999.

12:34:59 For $352,060 and 16.07% is the total percentage collected.

12:35:08 It just seems that some people, if they do the right thing,

12:35:12 and pay their fines, are honorable, but the majority of people

12:35:18 just throw their -- they just laugh in the face of the system.

12:35:23 >> (off microphone).

12:35:31 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: We'll have public continue.

12:35:32 I want to tell you where you are on time.

12:35:35 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I'm sorry, I think this is one of the

12:35:37 major issues facing our city.

12:35:38 I think code enforcement, all of us can say the majority of

12:35:42 phone calls we get are probably code enforcement issues.




12:35:45 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Mine are roosters and chickens.

12:35:48 >>LISA MONTELIONE: And that's because code is an issue.

12:35:55 I think the time we spend on this item reflects how much we

12:35:58 care about --

12:35:59 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'm not questioning the time.

12:36:01 I heard Mr. Cohen make it.

12:36:03 I heard council a profit.

12:36:04 I'm just letting now where we are at.

12:36:06 That's all.

12:36:07 Mr. Cohen?

12:36:12 >> And if I could Segway, and this is no -- it's been a

12:36:17 learning experience for me over this last month and I'm

12:36:19 learning all kind of stuff, and he has been very, very

12:36:21 proactive.

12:36:22 >> Yes, he has.

12:36:26 >> But in illustrating to me what his needs are.

12:36:30 So it is a challenge.

12:36:32 And we are going to address it.

12:36:34 And I think the administration is aware of it, too, which is

12:36:36 one of the reasons nor reorganization.

12:36:38 We are working very, very closely now.

12:36:40 And we are citing this much more closely in the community.

12:36:49 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Mr. Cohen and then Mr. Suarez.

12:36:50 >>HARRY COHEN: Continuing on the issue of collections for a

12:36:54 moment, in the state court system, the legislature has




12:36:59 authorized that when someone does not pay a traffic citation

12:37:03 in a certain amount of time, actually authorize is the wrong

12:37:07 word, mandated that that debt be sent to a collection agency,

12:37:11 and up to a 40% surcharge be tacked on top of it.

12:37:16 Is that -- has anything like that ever been considered by code

12:37:20 enforcement?

12:37:24 >>> I will jump into it and then ask my fellow staff members

12:37:30 to help me if I go astray.

12:37:33 Speaking of the bad debt collection, as council is aware, we

12:37:35 have brought before you this year what we are determining a

12:37:39 pilot project for collection of bad debt associated not only

12:37:42 code enforcement but with EMS.

12:37:45 So I think that's an area, we think that's an area that's ripe

12:37:49 for exploration, and we are doing it right now.

12:37:52 Within the next two, hopefully two, maybe three months, we

12:37:57 hope to bring you all the results of that pilot project in

12:38:00 terms of we have contracted with an outside vendor, we spent

12:38:02 this much money for these accounts, and this is what we got in

12:38:05 return.

12:38:06 We anticipate we are going to have a very good return on

12:38:09 investments that we can expand.

12:38:11 Having said that, can somebody elaborate on the bad debt

12:38:14 better than I?

12:38:25 Mural.

12:38:26 >>ERNEST MUELLER: The department of code enforcement sent over




12:38:28 to be collected through the collection agency, its hard cost

12:38:30 lien, you know, just X number, I think within the past year,

12:38:35 so they are fairly fresh, but the hard cost liens are

12:38:39 associated with the mowing.

12:38:41 Your basic type liens that you have been talking about going

12:38:43 through the resolution process.

12:38:45 Under the Code Enforcement Board liens -- none of them have

12:38:49 gone over there because of the complications, between

12:38:51 foreclosures, and bankruptcies, and everything, and what the

12:38:55 amounts of these liens are to send over is going to be far too

12:39:00 problematic, and they would all be sent back with questions

12:39:03 and would end up taking a lot of our time.

12:39:05 So we felt the Code Enforcement Board liens would not be good

12:39:08 candidate for debt collection, whereas we thought the hard

12:39:12 cost liens would be a better candidate.

12:39:15 >>HARRY COHEN: Well, the best candidate is the freshest debt.

12:39:18 So if you need legislation from us that would allow you to

12:39:23 send those things to collection prior to imposing a lien that

12:39:27 might be something that could be looked at.

12:39:29 You know, another thing that I would suggest is that you could

12:39:33 ask our state legislative delegation to give the municipality

12:39:38 the authority to do things like spend people -- suspend

12:39:42 people's driver's license when they owe the city for these

12:39:45 types of debts.

12:39:46 So there are enforcement mechanisms out there.




12:39:48 We just need to go about getting the authority to do some of

12:39:52 those things.

12:39:52 And, you know, the reason that some jurisdictions shy away

12:39:58 from this is because these are harsh measures.

12:40:01 They are measures that require feeding the patient very bitter

12:40:08 medicine.

12:40:09 But I can guarantee you when you suspend someone's driver's

12:40:11 license, they pay the bill very quickly in order to get that

12:40:15 driver's license back.

12:40:16 >>ERNEST MUELLER: And sometimes getting that authorization

12:40:19 from the Florida legislature isn't as quick and easy.

12:40:22 And I would like if I could --

12:40:24 >> With all due respect I don't think we ever tried anything

12:40:26 like that.

12:40:27 >>ERNEST MUELLER: That would be success -- nothing like

12:40:30 suspending the driver's license but we have been trying to get

12:40:32 legislation through that would help us in the code

12:40:35 enforcement.

12:40:36 >>HARRY COHEN: I saw Councilwoman Montelione mentioned the

12:40:41 mayor said yesterday that the city has a $30 million deficit

12:40:44 in next year's budget.

12:40:46 And I think that we are really at a point where we are going

12:40:51 to have to take very severe measures to at least recoup the

12:40:58 part that we are expending to keep this city clean N.my

12:41:03 view -- and I would certainly be interested in hearing




12:41:05 everyone else's view -- but in my view, these type of tough

12:41:09 measures very rapidly, if they are enforced, solve the

12:41:13 problem, because people just do not want to pay the cost of

12:41:17 dealing with getting that driver's license back or having to

12:41:21 clear up their credit once something --

12:41:26 >>ERNEST MUELLER: And both to address something that both you

12:41:28 and Ms. Montelione brought up, but regarding the hard costs,

12:41:34 council will recall about six months ago you passed an

12:41:37 ordinance that authorized Jake Slater's group to start issuing

12:41:41 orders which were orders to abate and orders to secure which

12:41:45 is beginning to roll out now which we hope will be successful

12:41:48 and give what you are describing, motivating people, because

12:41:52 it's going to go out, in order T order to a bait is going to

12:41:55 say mow this property.

12:41:57 If you don't, we will, we are going to charge you and there's

12:41:59 going to be an admin fee, it's going to become a lien, it's

12:42:02 going to start incurring unto.

12:42:04 Up until that tame, we haven't had that type of an order go

12:42:07 out except on the demolition.

12:42:08 >> But I would say rather than becoming a lien, sending it

12:42:13 directly to collection may be more effective because the

12:42:15 person may say I can live with the lien, I am not selling my

12:42:18 house, I'll worry about that in 20 years when finally I have

12:42:24 to pay the piper.

12:42:26 Maybe collection --




12:42:29 >>ERNEST MUELLER: As I said, we have been sending them over

12:42:32 to see how effective that is working.

12:42:34 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you, chair.

12:42:36 I think Councilman Cohen talked a lot about what I was going

12:42:39 to mention, which is the lien process is good if you have

12:42:42 money.

12:42:48 Mean field goal you are someone that is worried about

12:42:50 creditworthiness, you are going to pay attention to that.

12:42:53 I added onto my home a few years back, and yes, I was -- one

12:43:00 of the first things that the builder does is that they put a

12:43:03 lien immediately to make sure that you are going to pay as you

12:43:06 build, because they draw down based on, you know, where they

12:43:10 are at in the process.

12:43:11 So I was a bit surprised when I received something from a

12:43:15 secondary service that that's all they do is provide liens for

12:43:18 these type of activities.

12:43:22 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Not a lien.

12:43:25 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Regardless, it's one of those things where you

12:43:29 say why am I getting this thing, and you talk to your builder

12:43:32 and find out Y.but that's a process where someone who is

12:43:35 wanting to make sure their credit is still good, make sure

12:43:38 they don't have a blemish on their record is going to be more

12:43:42 worried with it about it.

12:43:43 To Mr. Cohen's point I think it's much more important when

12:43:46 people start saying you need to pay this, we need to have a




12:43:49 different hammer for different parts of the city -- and I

12:43:53 don't mean in terms of picking and choosing, I mean a

12:43:57 secondary process so that liens are not the only hammer that

12:44:01 we have.

12:44:02 We have to have some other process to say, you have to pay

12:44:05 this or else something else will happen.

12:44:09 Driver's license is something that's very cognizant to most

12:44:13 people.

12:44:13 Some people have to have a driver's license in order to have

12:44:16 their job.

12:44:17 When you start showing that, when this comes through, if you

12:44:19 do not pay this particular fine, you are going to lose your

12:44:24 license or you are going to be suspended or some other aspect

12:44:28 of what's happening.

12:44:30 It is a much more powerful message to send to people.

12:44:33 And so I think that we need to really think about how we put

12:44:37 all this together.

12:44:38 Part of what I had mentioned before about some of the models,

12:44:43 codes are, or model ways of actually collecting.

12:44:46 That's what makes it so important.

12:44:48 You know, every city has their problems with code enforcement.

12:44:51 I think we all know that but there are cities that are doing

12:44:54 it better than other cities.

12:44:55 I would like to New York City are we in the middle of the

12:44:57 pack?




12:44:58 Are we the top?

12:44:59 Are we doing better than someone else?

12:45:01 Are we the worst?

12:45:02 And I don't know the answer to that.

12:45:03 And I know that with the pride that Mr. Slater does in terms

12:45:09 of his -- what do you, and in terms of what we do as a city,

12:45:14 is very important.

12:45:15 We want to make sure we are doing the exact process so that we

12:45:20 get as many of these fines paid as possible.

12:45:23 Even if we got one tenth of what supposedly we are supposed to

12:45:27 get, which may be the best way of essentially writing off the

12:45:32 debt, so to speak.

12:45:34 I'm more than willing to do that.

12:45:36 When you look at the total numbers that you presented to us,

12:45:38 if we were getting one tenth of it, I would be very happy, you

12:45:42 know. But we are not even getting.

12:45:44 That so to me we need to really dig in deep.

12:45:48 I know you are doing that already.

12:45:49 I know that Mr. Mueller, Mr. Slater, all working together to

12:45:52 try to get this done, because we cannot keep on this path and

12:45:57 think that things are going to change.

12:45:58 And I think you all know that.

12:46:00 But I appreciate the work that you are putting in, and this is

12:46:05 something to communicate to the public, we are trying to fix

12:46:07 these problems.




12:46:08 This is not something that we are just letting go by the

12:46:10 wayside.

12:46:12 It is not a simple fix.

12:46:13 There is a cost associated with it.

12:46:15 And we need to make sure that those people that are the

12:46:18 perpetrators of this particular type of fine know that they

12:46:22 have to pay at some point.

12:46:24 So I appreciate everything that you are doing, and thanks for

12:46:28 your presentation.

12:46:29 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Ms. Capin, and then I am going to make a

12:46:31 statement and Mr. Cohen will make another request.

12:46:37 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Maybe that's the Q.I notice the time.

12:46:39 And I would like to ask for 15 more minutes.

12:46:42 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: All right.

12:46:43 This would be the last request?

12:46:44 Is that what I am hearing?

12:46:46 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Yes.

12:46:47 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Motion by Ms. Capin, second by Mrs.

12:46:50 Montelione for an additional 15 minutes.

12:46:52 That would be 1 p.m.

12:46:53 All in favor of the motion?

12:46:54 Opposed?

12:46:54 The ayes have it unanimously.

12:46:56 You still have the floor, Mrs. Capin.

12:46:59 And Mr. Cohen.




12:47:02 Let me just say this.

12:47:03 Code enforcement was never, ever put in to be a revenue

12:47:10 stream.

12:47:13 It was made to help the city solve its problems into the

12:47:16 future by not having to have the expense of doing tens of

12:47:21 hundreds of millions of dollars in lost revenues for a home

12:47:26 being deteriorated, cleaned up and all of that.

12:47:28 No matter where you are at.

12:47:30 You aren't going to get 100 percent of the money because it

12:47:33 was never intended to do that.

12:47:34 It was intended to do what it's doing now.

12:47:38 Now, when you look at the map, and you divide it by six

12:47:43 quadrants, or four quadrants really, it doesn't match up

12:47:52 evenly.

12:47:56 The dots and the addresses all figure in certain zip codes,

12:48:01 not in all the zip codes.

12:48:02 So it's not a city-wide problem.

12:48:04 Although it's defined as a city-wide problem.

12:48:07 The areas of specialties fall into different zip codes.

12:48:12 So let's condense to the what it really is.

12:48:15 Yes, it's a city-wide problem on paper.

12:48:18 But in reality it is not.

12:48:21 It is a specific area of location.

12:48:25 So what I'm saying is, condense all your areas, all your

12:48:31 resources to those areas.




12:48:32 I'm sure you already have.

12:48:33 And these are the things that you have to do until you look at

12:48:36 the other areas to see how they are going and how they are

12:48:38 doing.

12:48:41 But I know -- what's going to happen to somebody that buys

12:48:46 that house?

12:48:51 I know code enforcement is going to tell them.

12:48:55 So if you know and I know, war we doing about it?

12:48:57 Nothing.

12:49:01 It doesn't change what we are doing.

12:49:03 So I'm saying, if you really want to have something, find out

12:49:08 all the problems that code enforcement, not that they have

12:49:11 problems per se, individually, but what are their problems,

12:49:15 and how do you address and focus on those problems?

12:49:19 We haven't done that.

12:49:20 All this here is lip service.

12:49:25 Doesn't solve anything until we specifically get all your

12:49:28 recommendations.

12:49:29 Maybe we have to change.

12:49:31 I'm not opposed to change.

12:49:33 But you have to do something more than talk about revenues

12:49:39 don't mean anything if they are not collectible.

12:49:42 This is great work.

12:49:43 But guess what.

12:49:45 I not practical because you are not going to collect 8.7,




12:49:51 $7.8 million.

12:49:52 Downtown have an asset attached to that.

12:49:54 All you have is a service of some sort.

12:49:57 That's an imagination service if you are planning 100 or 500 a

12:50:02 day.

12:50:03 That's uncollectible.

12:50:04 Go collect from somebody that you said has a $300,000 lien on

12:50:08 a house worth 50,000.

12:50:10 What are you going to do with the house?

12:50:13 It doesn't work.

12:50:14 So we have to be more realistic.

12:50:18 At the same time be more compassionate.

12:50:20 You have a multitude of problems here.

12:50:24 They are not solvable in an hour, hour and a half or two

12:50:27 hours.

12:50:28 You have to come back.

12:50:31 These are the preponderance of my problems.

12:50:33 How I do solve them?

12:50:35 And that we will do something.

12:50:38 But to do it now, you can't do it.

12:50:44 It doesn't work in practicality.

12:50:46 It just doesn't work.

12:50:48 We are saying to ourselves what we have on the books now

12:50:51 doesn't work.

12:50:53 If not we wouldn't be here.




12:50:54 Everything would be rosy.

12:50:56 But that's not the case.

12:50:59 You say, well, I have got 3.5 million last year but I

12:51:04 collected 6,600.

12:51:06 You say, wow.

12:51:08 Am I losing money?

12:51:10 You aren't losing anything.

12:51:12 That's fake paper money like playing monopoly with yourself.

12:51:15 You can win and you can lose in the same day.

12:51:17 That's exactly what we are doing.

12:51:19 We are playing monopoly with the people's minds.

12:51:22 You have to have a concrete way of solving the problem.

12:51:26 And we are not going to do it today.

12:51:28 And I'm taking up some council member's time and I apologize

12:51:31 for.

12:51:31 That but it got to be done in a systematic way where these

12:51:39 things are solved, case closed.

12:51:42 And I guarantee you, a lot of these same ones here are

12:51:46 repeaters.

12:51:51 And I don't know the answer but I can only imagine that they

12:51:53 are repeaters.

12:51:57 You know what I'm saying?

12:52:00 It's so smart, so easy to say code enforcement is going to

12:52:04 handle it.

12:52:09 But how are they going to handle it?




12:52:12 It doesn't end.

12:52:13 It just doesn't end.

12:52:15 We have a city.

12:52:17 We have a lot of people living here.

12:52:19 You have got a lot of minds.

12:52:20 You have got people that think differently.

12:52:23 You have got a wonderful place.

12:52:28 Is it working?

12:52:30 I would say in a great number of cases yes.

12:52:33 What we are looking at is a small amount compared to the

12:52:35 general population.

12:52:37 Most of the population here are doing it on their own and

12:52:42 keeping everything clean, everything mowed and things of that

12:52:47 nature.

12:52:49 I do things so well that I have a rock garden.

12:52:52 The whole front yard is rocks.

12:52:55 And I water the rocks just to keep them clean.

12:52:58 But these are the things that you have to do.

12:53:01 I don't say everybody should have a rock garden.

12:53:04 Of course not.

12:53:04 But, you know.

12:53:09 Ms. Capin.

12:53:11 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Thank you.

12:53:11 The only thing I said this whole time was asking for 15 extra

12:53:14 minutes so I had four issues.




12:53:16 But in reference to your rock garden, I have a Florida sand

12:53:21 garden.

12:53:24 It's sand.

12:53:24 That's what I have.

12:53:30 I agree with Chairman Miranda and the consolidation, because

12:53:36 when you look at neighborhoods, for instance, I live in Beach

12:53:40 Park, and that neighborhood is very cognizant of what is going

12:53:45 on in their neighborhood.

12:53:47 And code enforcement is there immediately.

12:53:55 Construction services, whatever is going on.

12:53:57 So that is very important.

12:54:00 And yes, do you look at that map.

12:54:02 And it's not the entire city.

12:54:04 It can't be.

12:54:05 It is -- and I think consolidation would help.

12:54:09 Also, I want to mention that I next week will be married 43

12:54:18 years, and I have purchased several homes along the way.

12:54:21 And I know at least a couple of them were purchased with

12:54:26 additions that were not permitted because when we went to the

12:54:30 closing, the square footage that they had on the home was not

12:54:33 the square footage that the tax collector's office had, and

12:54:37 they said, oh, well, they enclosed the porch.

12:54:40 That was it.

12:54:41 No one knocked on my door.

12:54:43 No one told me I had to tear it down.




12:54:45 That never happened.

12:54:47 Ever.

12:54:48 And I know, at least two homes.

12:54:50 The other thing is, when we talk about small businesses, and

12:54:53 we are talking about signs, I see this when they are building

12:54:58 a pool in a home, and the pool company puts their sign in the

12:55:03 front yard on private property.

12:55:05 We are talking about right-of-way.

12:55:07 And sometimes when you do see the sign next to the expressway,

12:55:10 maybe code enforcement hasn't been by yet to pick it up.

12:55:15 So give them a chance.

12:55:18 There's quite a few things there.

12:55:28 I think those were my four issues that we wanted to bring up

12:55:32 about picking up signs.

12:55:33 And now what?

12:55:34 As citizens, I know that in Beach Park, write used to live, if

12:55:37 you had a sign in the right-of-way, it would not last 15

12:55:41 minutes.

12:55:42 So neighborhood, do your part.

12:55:45 Clean up your neighborhood.

12:55:46 Take care of your front porch.

12:55:49 Sweep it.

12:55:56 And Chairman Miranda is right.

12:55:57 This is very small amount compared to the population of the

12:56:01 City of Tampa.




12:56:05 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Let me ask in the audience.

12:56:07 I know I am going public comment but I want to see how many

12:56:10 people are going to speak so I can reserve time.

12:56:12 Three.

12:56:12 That's nine minutes.

12:56:13 So I'm a minute over already by the clock here.

12:56:16 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I want to make a motion.

12:56:21 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: All right.

12:56:23 I would like you to include in whatever your motion is to

12:56:26 extend this thing to a later date so we can have the

12:56:28 information from code enforcement on what type of problems,

12:56:32 something so that we can understand and have a better grasp of

12:56:37 this.

12:56:37 I will yield to Ms. Montelione at this time.

12:56:39 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Well, I said this before, but I love

12:56:44 sitting next to Mr. Cohen because he comes up with great

12:56:46 ideas.

12:56:47 And I would like to motion that legal department look into and

12:56:51 come back with some resultant research on collecting

12:57:01 reimbursement costs for those properties, whether it's mowing,

12:57:09 or debris removal, or for demolition, prior to it becoming

12:57:17 liened.

12:57:20 I would like to have the budget office come back with a

12:57:30 mechanism whereby any revenue collected from the placement of

12:57:42 fines, liens, citations, whatever form it takes, be dedicated




12:57:46 into an account for the sole use of the code enforcement

12:57:51 division.

12:57:53 >> And I can understand exactly what do you but if we can hold

12:58:04 this to a regular council meeting, this is a workshop and I

12:58:07 don't want to get the two mixed up.

12:58:08 >> We have motioned before in workshops.

12:58:14 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I will let the attorney answer that.

12:58:15 >>LISA MONTELIONE: For staff to come back.

12:58:19 >>MARTIN SHELBY: The rules state that no official action be

12:58:24 taken unless the public is afforded the opportunity to comment

12:58:26 prior to action.

12:58:27 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Okay.

12:58:29 So I'll make the motions after the public --

12:58:32 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: We have three people, nine minutes.

12:58:33 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Keep those written down because I don't

12:58:36 know they'll be able to say them again that same way.

12:58:40 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Can I go to the public section?

12:58:41 Three minutes each?

12:58:50 >> Pete Johnson, 510 Harrison street.

12:58:53 I have been studying code for now 20 years, and nothing has

12:58:58 changed.

12:58:59 It's the process.

12:59:01 Every single one of those books that four months -- every

12:59:06 single one of those books are code violations that either were

12:59:11 written up or were violated or something or other, and each




12:59:17 one has a history of violation.

12:59:21 Whether a violation is a violation when it goes to the code

12:59:24 board, and it's found to be a violation, that's not the point.

12:59:29 The point is these people realize that there is no

12:59:34 enforcement.

12:59:36 Every single one of those are repetitive violators.

12:59:41 The process needs to be changed.

12:59:44 You get a violation, like you get a ticket, okay?

12:59:48 You go to court.

12:59:49 You go to the hearing master.

12:59:51 Or you go to the Code Enforcement Board.

12:59:53 They determine whether or not on that date, at that time, the

12:59:57 violations did occur.

12:59:59 If you correct the violation prior to the hearing, no fines.

01:00:05 But you are found in violation, because on that date at that

01:00:10 time, that officer witness add violation.

01:00:15 They have pictures.

01:00:17 This way, the board can tell them, you come back, and we are

01:00:21 going to kick your butt.

01:00:23 This is getting ridiculous.

01:00:25 Don't let it happen again.

01:00:28 We can go on to repeat violation then.

01:00:30 We can go on to other forms of legislation to enforce the

01:00:35 code.

01:00:35 But there is no enforcement.




01:00:38 There are cases that have been going on for years that have

01:00:42 never come into compliance.

01:00:46 The book I gave you was examples of cases, open and closed,

01:00:53 open and closed, open and closed, cases where land development

01:00:59 has said simply because it's not a health risk, no we are not

01:01:04 going to take it any further.

01:01:06 Sooner or later, the guy will have to deal with it.

01:01:09 The guy doesn't give a damn.

01:01:14 Guessing to go bankrupt on his property and then where will we

01:01:17 be?

01:01:17 There is no enforcement at all.

01:01:21 Liens do not enforce codes.

01:01:23 You have proven that again in the books.

01:01:25 Where one company had hundreds of thousands worth of liens.

01:01:30 We settle Ford 15,000.

01:01:32 And then goes right back and does the exact same violation

01:01:35 again.

01:01:37 Come on, people.

01:01:39 It is the process.

01:01:41 When you get a violation, you need to be heard by your peers.

01:01:45 If you correct the violation, no problem.

01:01:53 But then you are considered a repeat violator.

01:01:55 This goes on with trailer parks.

01:01:57 With trailer parks we had one trailer.

01:01:59 It's ridiculous.




01:02:00 You have to hit the address and hit all of the trailers rather

01:02:04 than one.

01:02:04 (Bell sounds)

01:02:07 But this going on and on and on, because nobody respects --

01:02:13 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.

01:02:14 Next, please.

01:02:14 >>> Good afternoon.

01:02:17 Don Rhode, 412 Madison street.

01:02:20 Only in reference to the placement of the a banded signs, the

01:02:28 illegal signs, snipe signs, I guess they are called.

01:02:30 This is a very old issue.

01:02:32 It's like a news flash from the 1990s.

01:02:37 I know code enforcement officers, supervisors even that no

01:02:42 longer work for the City of Tampa because they are dead now.

01:02:47 That explain the policy of this sign collection business back

01:02:49 then.

01:02:50 The remark from the chair earlier that if you live long

01:02:54 enough, you will outlive by effort the sign places.

01:02:59 It's not true.

01:03:00 That's why we have the signs there now because that's one of

01:03:02 the tactics is to just go out and collect signs.

01:03:05 One of the council people said she had a trunk full of. They

01:03:08 I can item you right now there's another trunkful of them

01:03:10 sitting at the corner of Fowler Avenue and I-275 right now.

01:03:17 If we are going to use the police to enforce other obscure




01:03:20 provisions of Tampa's municipal code, why not use the police

01:03:25 department to enforce the ban on the placement of the sign?

01:03:31 Instead of going out and looking for the retailer or the guy

01:03:34 who has a missing pet or the guy who wants to have a yard

01:03:38 sale, why not tag the person who places the sign?

01:03:43 That's your so-called criminal, if that's what he is.

01:03:47 And Mr. Chairman, in reference to that description earlier,

01:03:52 you are on the evolution of stupid, I realize this isn't a

01:03:56 church, but amen.

01:03:59 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Next, please.

01:04:00 Thank you.

01:04:00 >> I'm reverend Koffman senior, and I have the sign problem.

01:04:17 We see other enforcement -- I mean, agencies use, and it's

01:04:26 good to have officers that go out and write up for accidents

01:04:29 or whatever, and lose time in being -- if we could get code

01:04:36 enforcement, if they would go check out, you know,

01:04:48 understanding they might go remove signs, or talk to the

01:04:53 people who have the problem.

01:04:56 It can be legal counsel.

01:05:00 If you have someone identified that need to be tooken care of,

01:05:05 would you free up more, if you hired independent person to do

01:05:14 that, you will free up -- you would have more, and that's

01:05:22 something we need to look into.

01:05:24 But also on the sign issue,

01:05:27 We will be arresting a lot of kids if we arrest someone




01:05:30 putting the signs up, because people hire young kids to go put

01:05:34 those signs up.

01:05:35 And they just tell the kids, put the signs out, don't care

01:05:38 where you put them, you don't know me, I don't know you, here

01:05:41 is cash he's gone.

01:05:43 So if you all are finding the -- arresting the kids for

01:05:49 putting the sign in the wrong place, because they don't know

01:05:52 where to put them.

01:05:52 They put them where they are told.

01:05:54 They want to make a few dollars.

01:05:56 Also, most of you all are the people who put out the signs.

01:06:05 So we ought to look at those, too.

01:06:08 You all are part of the law when it's election time, as well

01:06:12 as you want the other people to follow the law when it's not

01:06:15 election time.

01:06:16 Okay?

01:06:17 I see your signs all up on every corner, I-75, and --

01:06:26 >> I'm sorry, the law allows for that and we pick them up

01:06:30 afterwards.

01:06:30 >> Thank you.

01:06:32 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Anyone else in the audience who wishes to

01:06:35 speak and has not been earlier?

01:06:37 Mrs. Montelione?

01:06:38 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Can you read back what I had said before?

01:06:41 >> I'll try.




01:06:48 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: She's going to make that motion.

01:06:50 >>LISA MONTELIONE: And hopefully we'll get a second.

01:06:51 >> The legal department come back with some result of research

01:06:56 on collecting reimbursement, costs for those properties we

01:07:05 have abated, mowing, debris removal, prior to it becoming a

01:07:14 lien, and she would also like the budget office to come back

01:07:19 with a mechanism whereby any revenue collected from the sign

01:07:27 by dedicating sole use of the code enforcement division.

01:07:32 >>LISA MONTELIONE: And the last part is what Ms. Cole talked

01:07:38 about -- not Ms. Cole, Ms. Coyle talked about earlier about

01:07:43 the revision to the sign code that is being worked on.

01:07:47 So if we could have that come back under staff report, and if

01:07:52 we could identify a date of May 17th for that to come back

01:08:04 under staff reports at 10:00 a.m.

01:08:08 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: That's fine.

01:08:09 Do I hear a second?

01:08:10 >>HARRY COHEN: Second.

01:08:12 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have three seconds.

01:08:14 Thank you all for being the second.

01:08:16 I go with Mr. Suarez on a close vote with Mrs. Capin and Mr.

01:08:20 Cohen.

01:08:20 All in favor of that motion please indicate by saying aye.

01:08:23 Opposed, nay.

01:08:24 The ayes have it unanimously.

01:08:29 Anything else on this subject matter?




01:08:32 New business, left to right.

01:08:34 Mrs. Montelione.

01:08:34 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I have three pieces of new business.

01:08:37 One is to schedule a public workshop on May 24th at 10:00

01:08:43 a.m.

01:08:43 This is at the request of Thom Snelling from planning and

01:08:48 development division to discuss the January 2012 text

01:08:51 amendment cycle, which includes some recommendations on Mayor

01:08:54 Buckhorn's economic competitiveness.

01:08:57 >>HARRY COHEN: Second.

01:09:00 >> May 24th at 10:00.

01:09:01 >> I have a motion by Mrs. Montelione, second by Mr. Cohen.

01:09:05 All in favor?

01:09:07 Opposed?

01:09:07 The ayes have it unanimously.

01:09:09 >>LISA MONTELIONE: The second is I would like to ask of my

01:09:12 fellow council members a motion to have a letter prepared on

01:09:16 behalf of the council for the chairman's signature to Florida

01:09:19 governor Rick Scott in support of budget line item 377-A which

01:09:25 would provide $2 million in funding for homeless coalition as

01:09:30 cross the State of Florida.

01:09:30 >> Second.

01:09:33 >>LISA MONTELIONE: This is part of house bill 5001, general

01:09:37 appropriations act budget bill, which is on its way to the

01:09:40 governor for signature.




01:09:41 The homeless coalition of Hillsborough County needs our help

01:09:44 and support in securing these vital funds.

01:09:49 So call the governor's office.

01:09:50 Please call 850-488-7146 or e-mail the governor at

01:09:58 www.FLGOV.com and click on house bill 5001, line item 377-A.

01:10:10 From what I understand, our own Hillsborough County homeless

01:10:13 coalition stands to lose $72,000 of vital funding.

01:10:19 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Motion by Mrs. Montelione, second by Ms.

01:10:21 Capin on a close vote with Mr. Suarez.

01:10:24 All in favor?

01:10:26 Opposed?

01:10:27 The ayes have it unanimously.

01:10:28 >>LISA MONTELIONE: And the final one on a much lighter note I

01:10:31 would like to take a moment to invite my fellow council

01:10:34 members and members of the public to the ninth annual New

01:10:37 Tampa rotary fest Saturday may 5 from 10 to 3 at St. Mark's

01:10:45 Catholic church.

01:10:47 Proceeds from the event will go to over 40 local schools and

01:10:50 charities such as the girls and boy scouts of New Tampa crisis

01:10:53 center of Tampa Bay, the homeless coalition, special Olympics,

01:10:58 Relay for Life and many more.

01:11:01 Visit rotary.com for information.

01:11:04 That is May 5th.

01:11:08 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Okay, thank you.

01:11:09 I would love to go but I will be at the rockers.




01:11:14 Mr. Cohen.

01:11:14 >>HARRY COHEN: I believe there was a walk-on item of new

01:11:17 business that was brought to us by the council attorney

01:11:21 approving ratifying and confirm the reappointment of Rick

01:11:27 Barcena as member of the City of Tampa Code Enforcement Board

01:11:30 for a three-year term commencing April 1st, 2012 ending

01:11:33 March 31st, 2015 approving, ratifying and confirm the

01:11:37 appointment of Rita Maniscalco commencing March 13, 2012

01:11:46 ending March 14, 2015 providing an effective date.

01:11:50 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: There was one more, wasn't there?

01:11:53 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Council received three of them.

01:11:58 You don't have to read the title.

01:11:59 But having said those, all that does is to ratify your

01:12:03 decision of the prior meeting.

01:12:06 And incorporating the next two resolutions as well.

01:12:10 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Motion by Mr. Cohen, second by Mr. Suarez.

01:12:12 All in favor?

01:12:13 Opposed?

01:12:13 The ayes have it unanimously.

01:12:16 Ms. Capin.

01:12:18 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Nothing.

01:12:20 >>FRANK REDDICK: I think most of us if not all of us have

01:12:24 heard about the tragedy that took place in Sanford, Florida,

01:12:28 the young man Trayvon Martin.

01:12:32 And that people all across this country are sending a strong




01:12:38 message to the sheriff there that something needs to be done

01:12:44 as well as the state attorney and the Justice Department that

01:12:47 something needs to be done to ratify this injustice.

01:12:50 I just want to let the people know in Tampa, Hillsborough

01:12:55 County, that on Tuesday, March 27th, I am sponsoring a

01:13:01 rally in support of Trayvon Martin and his family, and this

01:13:05 will be held at the 34th street church of God, the

01:13:09 reverend Thomas Scott.

01:13:10 He has graciously allowed me to hold this at his church.

01:13:17 I would like everyone in the community to come out at 6:00

01:13:20 p.m.

01:13:21 And it doesn't make a difference whether you are Hispanic,

01:13:23 black or white, we just want justice to be done for all.

01:13:28 And I'm just asking everyone in the community to come out, be

01:13:31 a part of this event.

01:13:34 It won't last long but we want to show our support.

01:13:39 This is in New York, Miami, in Tallahassee, and they are doing

01:13:44 a special rally in Tampa.

01:13:46 So this is Tuesday, March 27th, 6:00 p.m., and the

01:13:51 reverend Thomas Scott church located on 34th street,

01:13:55 34th street church of God, and I would like people to come

01:13:58 out and show their respect to the family.

01:14:00 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.

01:14:00 And I appreciate you saying those words.

01:14:02 They are true.




01:14:04 >>YVONNE CAPIN: They are absolutely true.

01:14:06 I didn't intend to say this.

01:14:08 It was not on my list.

01:14:09 But I will say this, that maybe we can send a letter to our

01:14:15 governor and to our legislators on the "stand your ground"

01:14:23 law, and really look at that.

01:14:26 It's not an excuse, but it definitely has been brought up.

01:14:30 So I would like to see us send a letter --

01:14:34 >>HARRY COHEN: Friendly amendment.

01:14:36 Send it to the attorney general as well because she has

01:14:38 jurisdiction.

01:14:42 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I don't know, why don't you get with the

01:14:45 city attorney and work it out, and your motion is in order.

01:14:49 I have a second by Mrs. Capin made the motion, second by Mrs.

01:14:53 Montelione.

01:14:53 >> I want to be clear about it.

01:14:55 I take it that your motion is that you are asking for

01:14:58 repeal --

01:15:00 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: She's going to get with you.

01:15:01 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I guess motion would be to bring it back to

01:15:03 council?

01:15:05 Or do you want to just trust me?

01:15:08 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Believe me, I won't sign it unless it meets

01:15:10 the qualifications.

01:15:14 That solves that problem.




01:15:15 [ Laughter ]

01:15:16 I have a motion by Mrs. Capin, second by Mrs. Montelione.

01:15:19 All in favor?

01:15:20 Opposed?

01:15:21 The ayes have it unanimously.

01:15:22 Anything else, Mrs. Capin?

01:15:24 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Yes.

01:15:24 I would like to wish our receptionist Kathryn Jones a happy

01:15:28 retirement.

01:15:29 Today is her last City Council meeting.

01:15:31 And she has worked for the City of Tampa for 44 years and ten

01:15:36 months, and will be retiring next week.

01:15:38 >> Second.

01:15:42 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.

01:15:43 >>MIKE SUAREZ: A couple of things, Mr. Chair.

01:15:48 One, I would like to make a motion for a commendation to

01:15:51 commemorate April as water conservation month to be presented

01:15:56 at a later date.

01:15:57 >> Second.

01:15:59 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Motion by Mr. Suarez, second by Mr. Cohen.

01:16:01 All in favor?

01:16:02 Opposed?

01:16:02 The ayes have it unanimously.

01:16:03 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Second, I would like to have council approval

01:16:08 for commendation for pop Cuesta, the baseball coach for




01:16:14 Jefferson high school, very good school, by the way, Mr.

01:16:17 Chair, that he has just won his 600th game, just won the

01:16:23 Saladino tournament, which I think at what times second time

01:16:25 he has ever won it, if I am not mistaken, after 42 years of

01:16:29 coaching?

01:16:29 We are not sure.

01:16:31 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: He's not that old.

01:16:32 >>MIKE SUAREZ: That's what he says.

01:16:36 I just think that that's a great accomplishment, to be in

01:16:41 coaching for as long as he has to get 600 wins and also to be

01:16:45 at the same school for as long as he has.

01:16:47 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: We'll work it out.

01:16:49 But that's a great thing.

01:16:51 I think he's only the second coach in Hillsborough County to

01:16:53 ever win 600 games.

01:16:54 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I think you are right.

01:16:57 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: And I won 599 pitching.

01:16:59 I have a motion by Mr. Suarez, second by Mrs. Capin.

01:17:04 All in favor?

01:17:05 Opposed?

01:17:05 The ayes have it unanimously.

01:17:06 Anything else, sir?

01:17:08 >>MIKE SUAREZ: No.

01:17:09 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Receive and file?

01:17:12 Motion to receive and file by Mr. Suarez, second by Mr. Cohen.




01:17:15 All in favor?

01:17:16 Opposed?

01:17:17 The ayes have it unanimously.

01:17:18 Anything else to come before this council?

01:17:20 [Sounding gavel]

01:17:25 (City Council meeting adjourned)

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