TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
April 26, 2012
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09:08:29 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: City Council is called to order.
09:08:31 The chair yields to Mr. Harry Cohen for the invocation.
09:08:35 >>HARRY COHEN: Thank you, Mr. Chair.
09:08:36 Good morning everyone.
09:08:37 It is my privilege to introduce today the Reverend Canon
09:08:39 Benjamin Twinamaani of Grace Episcopal Church in Tampa
09:08:45 Reverend Twinamaani, a native of Uganda in east Africa, has
09:08:49 been at the helm of Grace Episcopal church the last six
09:08:54 The church has been very active in their community,
09:08:57 participating in such events as last weekend's paint your
09:09:01 heart out Tampa, the Florida orchestra's pops in the park
09:09:04 series and relay for life.
09:09:05 This may grace Episcopal will celebrate their
09:09:09 20th anniversary.
09:09:11 Reverend Twinamaani, thank you for joining us.
09:09:13 Everyone please rise for the invocation and remain standing
09:09:16 for the Pledge of Allegiance.
09:09:21 >> The invocation this morning comes from the book of common
09:09:26 It was written in 800 AD, for the coronation, remanding that
09:09:35 as emperor he was still accountable to God.
09:09:38 Let us pray.
09:09:39 O, mighty God, to you all our hearts are always open, all
09:09:45 our desires are always known.
09:09:48 And from you, none of our secrets are ever hidden.
09:09:53 Cleanse the thoughts of our hearts, by the inspiration of
09:09:58 thy holy spirit, that we may love you and magnify your holy
09:10:03 Send down upon these who hold office in this Council,
09:10:08 especially Charlie, Mike, Yvonne, Mary, Harry, Frank, and
09:10:18 Lisa, pour upon them the spirit of your wisdom, charity and
09:10:24 That with steadfast purpose, they may faithfully serve in
09:10:28 their office.
09:10:29 Promote the well-being of all the people.
09:10:32 And for other cities in this world that have problems,
09:10:37 strife, conflict and civil war.
09:10:40 Give them a vision of your holy city.
09:10:45 Visit, we pray, and renew the cities.
09:10:49 Send them honest and able leaders.
09:10:52 Enable all of us to eliminate poverty, prejudice, and
09:10:57 That peace may prevail with righteousness and justice with
09:11:01 order, and that women and men from different cultures and
09:11:08 with tolerance may find one another the fulfillment of their
09:11:11 humanity, through Jesus Christ our Lord, amen.
09:11:18 [PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]
09:11:41 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Roll call.
09:11:45 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Present.
09:11:46 >>FRANK REDDICK: Here.
09:11:47 >>MARY MULHERN: Here.
09:11:49 >>HARRY COHEN: Here.
09:11:51 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Here.
09:11:51 Mr. Reddick will now do the presentations of the Police
09:11:57 Officer of the Month.
09:11:58 The firefighters of the month, and presentation to former
09:12:02 employee of city hall, did an outstanding job during her
09:12:06 career here, Catherine Jones.
09:12:13 >>FRANK REDDICK: Good morning, Council, and thank you,
09:12:15 Mr. Chair.
09:12:16 It is my pleasure to present to you this morning Officer of
09:12:20 the Month for the period ending April, 2012.
09:12:24 Like to present officer Marcus Bailey, and we'll ask the
09:12:30 chief to introduce Mr. Bailey.
09:12:33 >> Thank you, Councilman.
09:12:35 And thank you Council again for the opportunity to come
09:12:37 before you this morning.
09:12:38 I have one of the best and brightest at the Tampa Police
09:12:42 Department and Marcus Bailey stands for all that is good
09:12:45 with the Tampa Police Department.
09:12:47 Even in his very un -- come on up here.
09:12:50 He's a little shy.
09:12:52 I asked him if he would bring his children up here so that
09:12:55 they could see themselves on the camera.
09:12:57 I always like to see the reaction.
09:12:59 But he does a great job out there keeping our city safe
09:13:02 while the rest of us are asleep.
09:13:04 He is a member of the Rapid Offender Control squads or ROC
09:13:08 squads in district one.
09:13:10 I'll give you two examples of the outstanding work that he
09:13:13 has done as a street officer.
09:13:15 Taking investigations to, through the entire process to
09:13:21 arrests, which is just phenomenal.
09:13:24 Some months back, we had a subway restaurant that was robbed
09:13:28 down on South MacDill, an individual went in, attempted to
09:13:31 rob the clerk with a knife and ran from the scene.
09:13:33 There was a photograph of the individual, and there was some
09:13:36 evidence that provided a general description.
09:13:39 But really not enough to solve the case.
09:13:41 Marcus took that case and took the investigation one step
09:13:48 further and looked into an individual that a possible
09:13:51 suspect into his background and found that he had been
09:13:55 arrested in a target department store over in Clearwater.
09:13:58 He took it upon himself to contact the risk management at
09:14:02 that store, and the individual who had actually dealt with
09:14:05 that suspect, and he showed him the video, and the
09:14:08 individual was able to positively identify the suspect from
09:14:12 that video.
09:14:12 And as a result, the suspect, Samuel Hillman was arrested in
09:14:19 that robbery and a very, very violent criminal was taken off
09:14:23 of the street.
09:14:23 And another incident, we had a series of convenience store
09:14:29 burglaries in the late night, early morning hours in
09:14:33 district one.
09:14:33 And I tell you, this really troubled the Tampa Police
09:14:36 We had everyone working on it.
09:14:38 We had analyzed it from top to bottom, side to side.
09:14:42 We were doing surveillance.
09:14:43 We did everything that we could to try to solve this.
09:14:46 The individual had, wore a baseball cap with a distinct
09:14:50 insignia on it, but otherwise had his face covered, wore
09:14:54 gloves and we really had nothing to go on except for a
09:14:57 general description.
09:14:58 And officer Bailey took it upon himself to patrol in the
09:15:02 particular area of the stores that were being targeted.
09:15:05 And saw an individual matching the description on a bicycle.
09:15:09 Tried to pull him over, the suspect ran.
09:15:13 Baseball cap flew off, officer Bailey grabbed the baseball
09:15:16 It had that particular insignia on it.
09:15:19 Was able to arrest this, take the subject into custody and
09:15:22 he actually had a crowbar pushed down into his jacket and
09:15:26 Subsequently, he was charged with 17 burglaries that we know
09:15:31 So, officer Bailey does a great job every single day that
09:15:35 he's at work.
09:15:36 And the citizens are lucky to have him out in their
09:15:39 neighborhoods patrolling in the area of district one.
09:15:42 And it's my distinct honor to name him as the Officer of the
09:15:45 Month, Marcus Bailey.
09:15:47 [ Applause ]
09:15:56 >>FRANK REDDICK: Officer Bailey, on behalf of the Tampa City
09:15:58 Council, we would like to present you this commendation, for
09:16:01 being selected as Officer of the Month for the period April,
09:16:04 Thank you and congratulations.
09:16:06 [ Applause ]
09:16:12 >> Rick Cochran with the Tampa PBA.
09:16:15 On behalf of the great staff of Tampa PBA, want to say
09:16:18 congratulations, give you a $100 gift card.
09:16:24 >> Thank you.
09:16:26 >> Good morning, Council.
09:16:27 Joe Durkin of Bright House Networks.
09:16:29 Mark, congratulations on behalf of all of us at Bright
09:16:33 Like to give you one month complimentary service of all our
09:16:36 services, video, high speed and phone.
09:16:40 >> Thank you.
09:16:41 [ Applause ]
09:16:46 >> I'm from Island Flowers in Ybor City.
09:16:49 These are really not for you, because they're for your
09:16:52 significant other, who is standing behind you.
09:16:55 Thank you, sir.
09:16:58 [ Applause ]
09:17:02 >> Good morning, Steve Stickley representing Stepp's Towing
09:17:05 Service on behalf of Jim and Judy and Todd Stepp, we'd like
09:17:09 to present this statue to you for a job well done.
09:17:11 And also have a gift card to Lee Roy Selmon, so enjoy
09:17:17 [ Applause ]
09:17:22 >> Good morning, Council.
09:17:23 Frank Desoto representing Bill Currie Ford and the Currie
09:17:28 I'd like to present you with a watch for a job well done.
09:17:31 Thank you very much.
09:17:32 [ Applause ]
09:17:37 >> Good morning.
09:17:38 I'm Dee Johnson from the Straz Center for the performing
09:17:41 Thank you very much for all that you do.
09:17:43 I have two tickets for you to see "rain" at the performing
09:17:47 arts center.
09:17:48 We'd love to have you.
09:17:49 Thank you.
09:17:49 [ Applause ]
09:17:51 >> Are you Superman over there?
09:17:53 [ Laughter ]
09:17:54 >> Want to come over here and fly?
09:17:56 >> Steve Michelini, I'm on behalf of a couple different did
09:18:00 folks who would like to recognize you.
09:18:03 Bern's stake hose, $100 gift considerate.
09:18:06 So you can enjoy that with your family.
09:18:09 I have this one four daughter, if she'll come over here.
09:18:11 You want to come over here?
09:18:14 [ Laughter ]
09:18:15 >> I'll handled it to you.
09:18:16 Is that okay?
09:18:17 You're going to be responsible for getting your family to go
09:18:20 take a picture of everybody.
09:18:21 How about that?
09:18:22 Will that be good?
09:18:25 A photographic package from prestige portraits for you and
09:18:28 your family.
09:18:29 Here you go.
09:18:30 Like that?
09:18:33 [ Applause ]
09:18:38 >> I don't want to say that you're not the fast, but running
09:18:41 with a crowbar in your pants has got to slow you down.
09:18:44 [ Laughter ]
09:18:45 >> Congratulations.
09:18:46 >> Thank you very much.
09:18:49 >> Council, chief, I'd like to thank you for the ceremony.
09:18:53 It's an honor to be recognized.
09:18:55 I think the foundation of the rock assignment is teamwork.
09:18:58 We work so well with detectives, patrol and on ROC.
09:19:02 I'm really privileged to work with such a great number of
09:19:06 people and officers.
09:19:07 I'd like to thank the staff and supervisors at district one
09:19:10 for their support and direction.
09:19:11 I'd like to thank my family for their love and support
09:19:14 through the years.
09:19:15 Thank you.
09:19:16 [ Applause ]
09:19:41 >>FRANK REDDICK: We'd also like to present our Tampa
09:19:44 firefighter of the quarter for the period ending April 2012.
09:19:50 Captain Steven Skinner.
09:19:52 Chief, want to introduce him?
09:19:54 >> Thank you, Councilmember Reddick.
09:19:57 Good morning, Council.
09:19:58 And again, we're so appreciative that you allow and afford
09:20:01 us this opportunity to present to you our firefighter of the
09:20:05 quarter for this period.
09:20:06 Today, I want to present to you one of our individuals from
09:20:10 Tampa fire rescue whom I've known his entire career.
09:20:14 And when first coming on, I kind of typified him as a spark
09:20:21 He's basically even more so become a modern day McGyver
09:20:26 for Tampa fire rescue.
09:20:27 This is a fire officer that really, really, epitomizes the
09:20:32 points of never say die.
09:20:34 There's never an issue that this young officer has not been
09:20:38 able to overcome, to really, really successfully mitigate.
09:20:43 And Steve has 18 years with Tampa fire rescue.
09:20:46 He has been very instrumental in not only developing his own
09:20:51 skills and refining those skills, but also developing
09:20:55 organizational standards with Tampa fire rescue, so much so
09:20:58 that he re-done our entire confined space rescues manual
09:21:04 with respect to where our persons are going in to subsurface
09:21:09 type of elements, or environment, whether it's a cafe-in,
09:21:14 whether sewage pipes or whether it's manholes, to effect
09:21:17 rescues or operations of that nature.
09:21:20 Steve was very instrumental in reconfiguring that,
09:21:24 redesigning that for a more plausible response.
09:21:26 He also redeveloped our fire control daily lesson plan as
09:21:31 well, which all our members of the department now and all
09:21:35 stations train on a regular basis with respect to those fire
09:21:40 Steve not only does that for our department, but he's very
09:21:44 instrumental in continuing to mentor and to develop and
09:21:48 motivate firefighting professionals and those individuals
09:21:51 that have gone from minimum standards training to become
09:21:57 He teaches with Hillsborough Community College in that
09:22:01 He's also published a number of article that is have been
09:22:04 internationally reviewed with respect to firefighting and he
09:22:08 has a published article in July 2009 in fire engineering
09:22:13 Steve also is a very valued asset, not only to the City of
09:22:18 Tampa, not only to Tampa fire rescue, but he's involved in
09:22:22 youth activities and mentoring youth, where he coaches with
09:22:28 his youth volleyball team, as you see behind me, his son is
09:22:31 a member of the civil air patrol.
09:22:34 And that's a testimony to his dad about giving back to a
09:22:38 community and doing something that's greater than one's own
09:22:41 individual self.
09:22:42 And Steve does that on a regular basis, as well as coaching
09:22:45 a volleyball program at one of the local high schools.
09:22:49 He also, can be commended for a number of other departmental
09:22:56 There was an incident a number of years ago where we had a
09:22:59 major fire at Tampa International Airport.
09:23:00 Steve was one of the first in on an attack line.
09:23:04 And because he was so involved in the initial attack, about
09:23:08 the second or third floor he was on a line, backing out and
09:23:11 he backed out of a second story window.
09:23:13 His resiliency is such that, that incident of free fall to a
09:23:20 second floor basically was landing, would have probably
09:23:24 taken most firefighters out of service.
09:23:26 They would have been line of duty disabilities.
09:23:29 We're happy and proud and blessed that Steve Skinner has
09:23:33 moved to the rank of fire captain within our organization.
09:23:37 No major incidents as a result of that fall and that again
09:23:40 is a testimony, not only to his fitness, his resiliency and
09:23:44 what he does to embody what it is that a firefighter and our
09:23:47 great community does every day.
09:23:49 So it is my distinct honor and pleasure to present to you,
09:23:53 Council, and to the greater City of Tampa, our firefighter
09:23:56 of the quarter, fire captain Steve Skinner.
09:23:59 [ Applause ]
09:24:00 >> As you might see, Steve is accompanied by his lovely wife
09:24:11 Jennifer, his lovely daughter court know, son Shawn, civil
09:24:15 air patrol, just been promoted to traffic of commander of
09:24:18 his group.
09:24:19 And his parents also here with him as well, Bud and Shirley
09:24:26 Skinner, our firefighter of the quarter.
09:24:29 >> Thank you, chief.
09:24:40 >>FRANK REDDICK: On behalf of the Tampa City Council, we'd
09:24:42 like to present you this commendation of being selected as
09:24:45 the firefighter of the quarter for the period ending
09:24:47 April 2012.
09:24:50 [ Applause ]
09:24:57 >> Council, Joe Durkin with Bright House Networks.
09:25:01 Dave, congratulations.
09:25:04 Bright house would like to present you one quarter three
09:25:07 months of all bright house service, high speed, video and
09:25:10 phone services.
09:25:11 Congratulations again.
09:25:13 [ Applause ]
09:25:14 >> Thank you very much.
09:25:15 >> Frank Desoto with Bill Currie Ford.
09:25:21 Thank you, Council, for the opportunity.
09:25:21 Steve, congratulations on a job well done.
09:25:23 We'd like you to have this watch.
09:25:29 [ Applause ]
09:25:30 >> I have two tickets for you, please come down and see a
09:25:38 [ Applause ]
09:25:41 >> I hate being up here empty-handed, but the message didn't
09:25:44 come through our fax.
09:25:45 But here's for a dozen long stemmed roses.
09:25:48 I'm assuming it will be for your wife.
09:25:50 You can do it at valentines, and it's $100.
09:25:55 [ Applause ]
09:25:59 >> Congratulations, Steve Stickley representing Stepp's
09:26:04 towing service.
09:26:06 We'd like to present this statue for a job well done.
09:26:08 And we also have a gift card to Lee Roy Selmon.
09:26:13 Thank you.
09:26:14 [ Applause ]
09:26:18 >> I'm not going to ask the kids to sign you up for the
09:26:23 [ Laughter ]
09:26:24 >> One thing I wanted to say real quick is that the
09:26:27 firefighters that are in the stations are always on duty.
09:26:31 And they're always ready to serve the people of the City of
09:26:36 They're always there for emergencies, and they're there for
09:26:38 other things.
09:26:38 They're there for community service.
09:26:40 And through all of those things, we appreciate what you do.
09:26:43 And being a teacher on top of that is an added plus.
09:26:48 Teaching is probably one of the thankless jobs that we have
09:26:51 and should be one of the highest paid jobs.
09:26:53 So, we certainly thank you for your contribution and
09:26:57 training people, and training youth and trying to inspire
09:27:01 them to follow the great path of a good life, good work
09:27:04 ethic and being productive in our community.
09:27:06 So, all of these people that give you gifts recognize that
09:27:11 and they'd like to say that again.
09:27:13 It's not said often enough.
09:27:14 So we appreciate what you do.
09:27:16 Prestige photos is going to provide you a family portrait.
09:27:22 And Bern's Steak House, $100 gift certificate.
09:27:25 So when you get the roses, you can go to Bern's, how's that?
09:27:30 [ Applause ]
09:27:35 >> Good morning.
09:27:35 Wow, if I wasn't overwhelmed before, I am now.
09:27:42 When I got the call from captain Warner that told me that I
09:27:45 was awarded this, my first reaction was utter shock and
09:27:48 And then the sinking feeling of knowing that I was going to
09:27:52 have to come up here in front of people and accept an award
09:27:56 for individual achievements or something that distinguishes
09:28:01 me above the members of Tampa fire rescue.
09:28:05 And I kind of said to myself, how am I going to do this?
09:28:08 And the truth is, I can't.
09:28:10 There's 627 other firefighters and paramedics that are every
09:28:15 bit equally as deserving as this.
09:28:18 47 non-sworn employees that are as deserving of this as
09:28:21 So I wanted to be bring that to their attention that I got a
09:28:25 front row seat every third did he when I'm on duty, to
09:28:29 witness extraordinary people doing extraordinary things.
09:28:32 They do it 70,000 times a year and they go home like it's no
09:28:36 big deal.
09:28:36 So it's really amazing.
09:28:38 So I wanted to bring that up to your all's attention, of all
09:28:41 of the good and the positive impact that's being done by not
09:28:44 only Tampa fire rescue, but Tampa Police Department, public
09:28:47 works, everybody.
09:28:48 We always work together as a team.
09:28:50 And I rim am impressed every time I go home and get off duty
09:28:53 at what we're able to accomplish.
09:28:55 So, this is going to be accepted on behalf of everybody.
09:28:57 Also, if I could, I might as well use this as a platform to
09:29:03 publicly thank some people.
09:29:05 My family, my wife, my kids.
09:29:07 They put up not only when I'm not there for special events
09:29:10 but when I get home and have to sleep the shift off.
09:29:13 They've been creeping around their whole life so I can get
09:29:17 some sleep and won't be grumpy so I appreciate that.
09:29:20 The individuals in the companies that they represent, it's
09:29:23 just blows me away that in this economic times and
09:29:27 difficulties that we're experiencing that you all can take
09:29:30 the time, first of all, to even come here.
09:29:33 Acknowledge what we do and then bring gifts.
09:29:36 Truly amazing.
09:29:37 So I pressure it.
09:29:38 I really do.
09:29:38 And I think everybody -- I don't want to speak for members
09:29:42 of the fire department but I can assume that everybody
09:29:44 greatly appreciates what you guys do.
09:29:46 So thank you very much for that.
09:29:48 Council, you've had to make some difficult decisions.
09:29:53 I know that.
09:29:54 But I wanted to say personally, I appreciate what you do for
09:29:59 public safety, and you keep us in the forefront.
09:30:02 And you give us what we need to do the job that we need.
09:30:04 And I know that it's hard sometimes with the budget, the way
09:30:07 things are.
09:30:08 But I appreciate it.
09:30:09 So thank you for doing everything that you do.
09:30:11 And then last but not least, this wealth of white shirts and
09:30:16 blue shirts, that's engine company 5.
09:30:20 And they've always make me look good.
09:30:24 So my job is pretty easy.
09:30:25 But as the chief said, each one of these people, it's kind
09:30:29 of strange because what I always, the advice I give to new
09:30:32 people is, always surround yourself with positive people.
09:30:35 And if you do that, you can't help but become positive
09:30:40 You can't help but to rub off you.
09:30:42 And I look at this group.
09:30:43 It's kind of amazing how each one of these people, I have
09:30:46 had individual contact with, I've worked directly understand
09:30:51 90% of them and the other 10% have had some type of impact
09:30:54 on me and I've learned valuable lessons throughout my job
09:30:59 from each and every one of these.
09:31:00 So I've done a pretty good job of surrounding myself with
09:31:04 positive people.
09:31:04 So thank you for everything you guys have done.
09:31:07 That's it.
09:31:08 Little longwinded, but I appreciate everything.
09:31:11 [ Applause ]
09:31:22 >> We won't let him run for office, Council.
09:31:24 [ Laughter ]
09:31:42 >>FRANK REDDICK: Our last presentation of this morning,
09:31:44 Ms. Catherine Jones, you want to come forward?
09:32:13 >>FRANK REDDICK: Thank you.
09:32:14 I think it's always an honor to recognize someone who has
09:32:17 been on the job over 44 years and one particular government,
09:32:23 especially government.
09:32:24 So, we'd like to take this opportunity to give you a
09:32:28 commendation for all your years of being employed with the
09:32:32 City of Tampa.
09:32:33 And want to read this commendation as the state, Katherine
09:32:38 Jones, again working for the City of Tampa, 44 years ago as
09:32:42 part of the on the job training program.
09:32:44 From that position she went on to the Tampa Police
09:32:47 Department as a clerk, and helped keep the department
09:32:50 running smoothly by processing criminals and traffic
09:32:53 After several years, Catherine moved into the community
09:32:57 affairs department and assisted citizens by typing out their
09:33:01 Most recently she moved into the office of City Council, and
09:33:05 offered her support to both the citizens of Tampa as well as
09:33:08 the City Council, always with a cheerful smile and kind
09:33:12 Tampa City Council would like to congratulate Catherine
09:33:16 Jones on her retirement from the City of Tampa and her 44
09:33:20 years of dedicated service.
09:33:21 You have truly been an asset to the City of Tampa and we
09:33:24 deeply will miss you.
09:33:26 Signed by all seven members of the Tampa City Council.
09:33:32 And I'm going to personally miss you because you assisted me
09:33:35 so much.
09:33:36 When I came on board, and we want to present this
09:33:40 commendation to you and I know in your retirement, you're
09:33:44 going to be at Okeechobee fishing.
09:33:47 So we appreciate that.
09:33:49 >> Oh, thank you so much.
09:33:51 Thank you all of you.
09:33:52 [ Applause ]
09:33:56 >> I really appreciate everything that you all have done to
09:34:01 This is an honor.
09:34:04 I really, really appreciate it.
09:34:08 [ Applause ]
09:34:15 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Catherine, now that you have a couple of
09:34:17 weeks of retirement under your belt, you look absolutely
09:34:21 >> Oh, thank you.
09:34:23 Thank you.
09:34:27 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Good for you.
09:34:28 We'll miss you.
09:34:30 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Ms. Mulhern?
09:34:31 >>MARY MULHERN: Thank you, Cathy.
09:34:32 We miss you already.
09:34:33 There are a lot of other Councilmembers before us, who I'm
09:34:36 sure thank you for what a great job you did there, at the
09:34:41 front office for us.
09:34:42 And we miss you.
09:34:43 Thank you so much.
09:34:45 >> I am honored.
09:34:46 Thanks again.
09:34:53 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Okay, item number four, I believe we all
09:34:56 received the memorandum from chief of police, Jane Castor to
09:35:01 our request.
09:35:02 They will come back.
09:35:04 What's happened here, the others police departments and
09:35:08 people in law enforcement, the memorandum of understanding,
09:35:12 if I recall, what I read is not complete.
09:35:15 And as soon as they get that list, they will certainly share
09:35:18 it with us immediately.
09:35:20 That's the text of the memo that I received.
09:35:25 Did all you receive that memo?
09:35:27 Okay, I need a motion to receive and file.
09:35:29 And let's put that back on the agenda after this for 30
09:35:32 days, just to see what happens.
09:35:34 And if 30 days we'll follow-up.
09:35:36 That's my suggestion.
09:35:37 >> So moved.
09:35:38 >> Second.
09:35:39 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Have a motion by Mr. Reddick, have a
09:35:41 second by Mrs. Capin, all in favor of the motion please
09:35:45 indicate by saying aye.
09:35:46 The ayes have it unanimously.
09:35:47 Public comments on items 1 through 4 in the beginning.
09:35:51 We have not had the workshops and those will be held later.
09:35:54 So anyone in the public who care to speak on items 1 through
09:35:57 4 is certainly entitled to come up now.
09:36:08 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Okay, we go to item number 5.
09:36:11 Before we do that, Mr. Shelby did call me about 7:15 this
09:36:18 There was an illness in his family and he's taking care of
09:36:22 that, as he should.
09:36:23 That comes first in life.
09:36:24 And I don't know if he'll be here shortly or may not be
09:36:30 But I hope it's a minor thing and everything is resolved
09:36:34 I don't know if the Council -- there was a memo sent,
09:36:37 Mr. Territo.
09:36:44 >> Mr. Shelby sent the memorandum asking you to continue
09:36:49 this item, at least the next meeting or whatever is
09:36:52 convenient for you, since he's not going to be here.
09:36:55 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: What's the wish of the Council?
09:37:05 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I was just going to suggest, since the third
09:37:07 is going to be a very busy meeting, on the tenth we have a
09:37:10 CRA meeting and an evening session that doesn't look
09:37:13 terribly booked.
09:37:15 And mayor either one of those would be a time that we could
09:37:19 tax this on.
09:37:20 >> I second it.
09:37:22 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Okay, this item number five for may
09:37:25 3rd -- may 10th by Mr. Cohen, seconded by Mr. Reddick.
09:37:31 After further discussion, all in favor of the motion, please
09:37:34 indicate by saying aye.
09:37:34 Opposed nay?
09:37:37 The ayes have it unanimously.
09:37:38 It's been continued to May 10th.
09:37:43 >> You have to have a special City Council meeting to take
09:37:48 this up, rather than CRA issue.
09:37:50 >> So we can just adjourn.
09:37:53 >> Before or after.
09:37:56 >> Just do it immediately after the CRA meeting.
09:37:59 >> That's fine.
09:37:59 Immediately after the CRA.
09:38:01 >> I suggest you set it for 9:00 even though it won't come
09:38:04 up until later.
09:38:05 That way if the CRA ends earlier, then it will be whatever
09:38:08 is available.
09:38:09 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Okay, all those in the audience who came
09:38:11 for this issue, it will be heard on May 10th.
09:38:14 Item number 6, it's regarding backyards and chickens.
09:38:24 Yes, ma'am?
09:38:26 >> Good morning, Council, Catherine Coyle, planning manager
09:38:29 for the city.
09:38:31 [ Laughter ]
09:38:33 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: You're presenting who?
09:38:36 Kentucky fried chicken?
09:38:37 [ Laughter ]
09:38:38 >>CATHERINE COYLE: As I mentioned in the previous
09:38:40 discussion, I believe there's a staff report.
09:38:43 Chapter 19 actually has the regulations related to farm
09:38:47 And as I mentioned in that previous report, we will be
09:38:49 moving that into the zoning regulations because technically
09:38:52 they are land development regulations.
09:38:54 And I noted to you that fowl, and as I will keep saying fowl
09:39:03 as opposed to just chickens because it does cover -- fowl in
09:39:11 the city, you have to have 5,000 square feet of land for
09:39:14 each five fowl or fraction thereof.
09:39:16 You'll note in the very opening sentence, that --
09:39:21 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Let me ask you one question if I may.
09:39:23 It sounds great, 5,000 is, you know, something times a
09:39:26 hundred equals five thousand.
09:39:28 Does that include the building or not the building?
09:39:30 Or is a footprint of the building extrapolated from the land
09:39:35 or altogether?
09:39:36 >> It's just the land itself.
09:39:38 The building is included as well.
09:39:39 So essentially a thousand square feet per bird.
09:39:42 But you note on A-12 that animals have to be kept in an
09:39:47 enclosed area and there's a 200-foot separation from
09:39:51 adjacent residential structure.
09:39:52 The conversation came up briefly at that last report about
09:39:58 which, the couple different Council people mentioned their
09:40:02 opinions on those separations.
09:40:04 I did receive information on what happens in Pinellas
09:40:07 And looking at the summary from Pinellas County, there are
09:40:12 23 municipalities within that particular county and looking
09:40:15 at a neighboring location.
09:40:16 Out of the 23, five municipalities actually allow backyard
09:40:21 The one that's closest in size to us and regulation and the
09:40:25 way it is laid out is really within St. Petersburg within
09:40:28 that area.
09:40:29 St. Petersburg's distance strayings is 100 feet.
09:40:32 So it is a hundred feet less.
09:40:33 They do essentially ban roosters and noisy fowl.
09:40:37 And the way they go through the enforcement process on that
09:40:40 according to these regulations, is, if there is a complaint
09:40:43 about a noisy fowl, that is made to the chief of police as
09:40:47 it's mentioned in the regulation.
09:40:49 >> And then they essentially are deemed a nuisance and
09:40:51 ordered to be removed.
09:40:52 You do have to keep them fenced or cooped.
09:40:55 And the coops and the runs for those birds do have to remain
09:40:59 So the difference with St. Pete it appears, potentially
09:41:03 enforcement is different because we go through the code
09:41:05 enforcement process.
09:41:06 But the distance separation is half the distance.
09:41:10 And just to put that into perspective, whether it's
09:41:12 200 feet, a hundred feet.
09:41:14 The typical 5,000 square foot lot, RS-50 lot, which is
09:41:19 predominant throughout the city, seven feet side setbacks.
09:41:24 Rear yards are a minimum of 20 feet in depth, with 50 feet
09:41:29 So, you would not have a chicken in every single yard, even
09:41:32 with a hundred foot separation potentially.
09:41:35 The county itself for Pinellas County does not allow
09:41:38 backyard chickens.
09:41:40 I went out and looked at Orlando, as another big comparable
09:41:44 There are agricultural uses allowed in Orlando, however
09:41:51 they're in the urban reserve and holding districts.
09:41:53 Those district are called out for essentially what would be
09:41:55 annexed land for growing population.
09:41:58 So agricultural is considered more interim use.
09:42:01 In our current regulation, we do have the community garden
09:42:04 regulation us that went into effect last year.
09:42:07 However, livestock and farm animals are not allowed.
09:42:12 It is specifically plant life.
09:42:13 I know there are many members from the public here to speak
09:42:16 as well.
09:42:16 If Council so chooses.
09:42:18 I'm interested in hearing Council's ideas on the chickens as
09:42:22 Thank you.
09:42:23 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Okay.
09:42:23 Mr. Cohen?
09:42:26 >>HARRY COHEN: I don't know how everyone else feels, but I
09:42:29 would like to hear from the public before we start
09:42:32 discussing it.
09:42:35 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Okay, item number 6, either $30 million
09:42:40 deficit in the budget, or chickens, so we're going to take
09:42:43 chickens first.
09:42:44 Anyone in the audience care to speak on item number six?
09:42:49 >> Good morning, my name is Laura Starkey, I live in Tampa
09:42:52 in Seminole Heights.
09:42:53 And my daughter and I have four Rhode Island red Hens, their
09:42:58 We have had them about three years.
09:43:00 They lay beautiful eggs, fresh eggs we get every day, except
09:43:03 in the wintertime they take a break.
09:43:05 We live, as you know, in Seminole Heights has small
09:43:10 bungalows, small lots very close together.
09:43:13 Our neighbors have no issue.
09:43:16 For the first year kept asking my closest neighbor, you
09:43:19 know, are they bothering you at all?
09:43:21 Please tell me.
09:43:22 And he's like, they're fine, they're fine.
09:43:24 Everyone enjoys the eggs and just having them back there.
09:43:27 I know a few that concerns that people have around chickens
09:43:32 and urban settings are noise, smell or sanitation.
09:43:38 And just the overall perception of having farm animals in an
09:43:42 urban setting.
09:43:43 As far as the noise goes, Hens, particularly are absolutely
09:43:48 silent from sundown to sun up.
09:43:50 During the rest of the day, mostly they're quiet, but I will
09:43:53 say they make some noise during the time that they're laying
09:43:56 their eggs or they'll kind of squawk when their waiting
09:44:00 their turn to get in the nest box.
09:44:02 It's no louder absolutely than any neighboring barking dog,
09:44:07 parrots, howling cats in the middle of the night.
09:44:11 We all here neighborhoods' animals all the time.
09:44:13 As far as the smell, same thing.
09:44:15 If you keep it clean, keep the area clean, compost the
09:44:18 manure, put pine shavings down, it doesn't smell.
09:44:22 The rainy season it gets a little stinky, you have to put
09:44:26 the shavings down more frequently.
09:44:29 But like any animals, particularly cats and dogs, which are
09:44:32 common, you have to keep them clean.
09:44:34 So I would certainly support any, you know, enforcement of
09:44:39 cleanliness and smell as well as noise.
09:44:43 Overall, this is part of a very growing and popular local
09:44:47 food movement, with the Community Gardens, which are, as you
09:44:51 all know, very popular and growing in this area.
09:44:53 It's bringing our communities together.
09:44:55 It makes people feel like they're part of a really warm
09:44:58 welcoming community, as opposed to just, you know,
09:45:03 sequestered off little family households.
09:45:05 We're really growing together as a community, having
09:45:08 chickens that are producing food, as well as just being kind
09:45:12 of pleasant.
09:45:13 If you've not been around a chicken, I know some people have
09:45:16 had them in their yard.
09:45:18 They have destroyed my yard in the first year, so I put them
09:45:21 in a closed in area.
09:45:23 But I encourage you to be open minded about expanding your
09:45:27 minds about having chickens as part of our backyard
09:45:30 experience, as well as making it reasonable for people in
09:45:33 the city to do so.
09:45:35 Thank you.
09:45:36 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
09:45:36 Next please?
09:45:38 >> Good morning.
09:45:39 My name is Jacquelyn Easter and I live in south Tampa.
09:45:43 I really didn't intend to speak today, but I do need to
09:45:47 stress that us that have decided to bring chickens into our
09:45:51 family, we have not done that lightly.
09:45:55 And many of us have done extensive research on how to keep
09:45:57 these chickens.
09:45:58 If an ordinance is made that we are allowed to have chickens
09:46:03 in the city, in a smaller parcel of land, not everybody is
09:46:07 going to go out and get a chicken.
09:46:09 The people that have the chickens, they are very involved
09:46:14 and very committed to taking care of these animals and
09:46:18 making sure that they have a very healthful and productive
09:46:22 The chicken movement is sweeping the country.
09:46:26 There are many cities, and it's on a daily basis that the
09:46:31 communities are in the City Councils and the county
09:46:33 commissions and asking for specific ordinances to enable to
09:46:40 have their chickens.
09:46:43 There are things, better things that come out of this.
09:46:46 Myself, I have been for many years and illegal chicken
09:46:51 And because of the fowl that I do have, my house was
09:46:57 consistently robbed for 27 years.
09:47:00 And I acquired -- I ordered and was shipped to me the day
09:47:07 they were born, a couple of geese.
09:47:09 And they protect my property.
09:47:11 First time in 27 years, I don't get robbed.
09:47:14 You know?
09:47:15 I had Rottweilers and I had labradors.
09:47:17 That didn't curtail anybody from robbing me.
09:47:20 But these geese do.
09:47:22 My property, when I moved in was a sand lot.
09:47:25 I used the compost.
09:47:26 Now I have a very fertile plot of land.
09:47:29 I don't have grass because in order to have grass, you have
09:47:31 to fertilize it.
09:47:33 And you have to have specific impacts on the environment for
09:47:38 run-off and like that.
09:47:39 My yard is covered with beach sunflowers.
09:47:42 And I hope that this, the Council will look at this really
09:47:51 extensively to say that it's not just a few crackpots that
09:47:57 are having chickens, but people that are really involved in
09:48:01 the environment and their health.
09:48:04 The chicken eggs are very healthy.
09:48:07 They are better, much better -- I would never eat a store
09:48:11 egg chicken again.
09:48:12 But, they, you get 300 times the Omega three in a homegrown
09:48:19 They don't -- I don't have a problem with flies.
09:48:21 The fly that is I have are from my neighbor's dogs,
09:48:24 defecating behind my property.
09:48:25 My neighbor, we can go out into my property in front of my
09:48:30 house at 7:00 in the morning, 7:00 in the morning, you have
09:48:33 25 stray cats sitting, waiting on the sidewalk for a lady
09:48:36 around the corner to come by and feed them.
09:48:39 They tear up my yard.
09:48:40 They tear up my garden, digging and defecating in my garden.
09:48:44 So, please --
09:48:47 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
09:48:47 >> Thank you.
09:48:49 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Next please?
09:48:50 >> Margaret Vizzi, 213 South Sherrill.
09:48:58 I don't know whether Jerry Frankhouse who will speak,
09:49:02 T.H.A.N. has not taken a position on them we were waiting to
09:49:05 see what Council would put together and propose.
09:49:07 I know that there are neighborhoods that I'll tell you Beach
09:49:10 Park has already taken a position as to whether we want
09:49:13 chickens or not.
09:49:14 And we have had a rooster problem in recent times.
09:49:21 And that was, caused a neighbor to neighbor disagreement.
09:49:25 So, yes, chickens may be great, as you just heard.
09:49:30 But there are health issues and the, as I understand now,
09:49:35 there is also proposal not to even coop them any more.
09:49:39 That would be a major issue.
09:49:40 Because I know that people do not want the chickens if they
09:49:45 are there going into other peoples, on to other peoples
09:49:51 property or out on the street.
09:49:53 So some way or other, they have to be confined.
09:49:56 From way just heard of St. Pete's ordinance, it sounded like
09:50:02 it could be proposed here with a little bit less separation.
09:50:06 But the other issue and the issue of the gardens came up.
09:50:16 If you consider, I think the zoning districts that you would
09:50:20 allow it in, would also be a help for those neighborhoods
09:50:25 that really do not want the chickens.
09:50:28 And those that do.
09:50:29 So Council, I know you have a big issue on your hands again
09:50:32 with all the other big issues you have.
09:50:34 But there are concerns about just letting chickens basically
09:50:39 run loose.
09:50:40 Thank you.
09:50:43 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you.
09:50:45 >> Susan Warren, 920 Broad Street.
09:50:52 Personally I'm neither opposed or supportive for chickens.
09:50:58 They're clean, well maintained, they're running through my
09:51:01 yards, chasing my poor kitty cat.
09:51:03 But I'm perfectly happy with them.
09:51:04 I have neighbor that is have chickens.
09:51:07 You'd never know they are there.
09:51:08 Not a problem.
09:51:09 My problem is what happens to the person who has the
09:51:11 chickens and doesn't maintain them?
09:51:14 Our enforcement process in the City of Tampa is not really
09:51:19 Give you an example.
09:51:20 I'm on code board.
09:51:21 Yesterday we had a person in who got cited in January 2011.
09:51:25 How many years are we going to let the chickens run loose
09:51:29 before we make the bad person, whom ever that may be, clean
09:51:33 up the mess?
09:51:34 That's my problem.
09:51:35 Our enforcement system is not real efficient, not real quick
09:51:41 to respond.
09:51:41 Usually it doesn't get to the code until it's really bad.
09:51:46 And then it takes quite a while for it to get cleaned up.
09:51:50 So, that's my one opposition to the chickens.
09:51:53 Thank you.
09:51:54 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
09:51:54 Next please?
09:51:56 >> I'm Terry Tulsiac, 4217 West Culbreath Avenue in Beach
09:52:09 It's my understanding that a lot of people in Beach Park are
09:52:14 actually wanting to have chickens.
09:52:17 I don't know if Margaret took a poll, but, I definitely
09:52:23 would want to have chickens if the rule was changed.
09:52:29 My property was divided through a hardship variance about 20
09:52:36 years ago, so I am too close to my neighbor.
09:52:40 I didn't divide it.
09:52:41 Somebody who, Mr. Higgins divided it, put a wall up, so now
09:52:46 I am too close to my neighbor.
09:52:47 But, they wouldn't have a problem with it.
09:52:51 And I feel that chickens are not a disease issue at all.
09:52:57 I've never heard of anybody getting salmonella from a
09:53:00 backyard egg.
09:53:04 And lots of times, the ones that are withdrawn from sale are
09:53:10 the commercially laid eggs.
09:53:13 I agree that the code enforcement does need to be a little
09:53:20 more clear because the codes that are in place now are not
09:53:27 really sure how they're supposed to be enforced.
09:53:31 I've had people, for example, parking in front of my house
09:53:34 every day in front of a fire hydrant.
09:53:38 And nobody will make a move.
09:53:39 Because they have a right to blow their blower while they're
09:53:46 And that's a lot noisier than chickens.
09:53:49 And I listen to those blowers for five hours a day.
09:53:53 And I think they're spreading a lot more disease than
09:53:58 chickens that are contained in someone's yard.
09:54:01 As to the cats, somebody mentioned, I agree, the cats cause
09:54:10 a lot more problems than chickens.
09:54:13 And chickens usually will stay within their confined area.
09:54:18 I've never seen a chicken jump over a fence.
09:54:20 That's it.
09:54:25 That's all I have to say.
09:54:27 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
09:54:27 Next please?
09:54:28 Ginger Lyons.
09:54:34 I live 305 Genesee Street, Seminole Heights.
09:54:38 I love chickens, they are much healthier eggs than buying
09:54:42 them at the store.
09:54:43 In fact, they just, was an ABC news a week ago, where
09:54:47 they're full of salmonella and they're kept horribly.
09:54:50 So I don't want to buy those kind of eggs, because that way
09:54:55 I'm helping them do that to chickens.
09:54:57 Chickens will stay in your yard.
09:55:00 They're great for gardening, great for compost.
09:55:02 I think we just need to change the rules because nobody has
09:55:08 that big a yard.
09:55:09 I mean, very few of us do.
09:55:11 And I'm all for them.
09:55:12 They're great.
09:55:13 Thank you.
09:55:15 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
09:55:16 Next please?
09:55:20 >> My name is Ingrid Smith.
09:55:22 I reside 5605 North Tawny Avenue in Tampa, Seminole Heights.
09:55:28 First off, if we could consider hens only as opposed to
09:55:32 roosters, because that seems to be the point of contention
09:55:35 as far as noise.
09:55:35 Although we have some peacocks across the river that
09:55:39 generate quite a bit of noise, but when you hear the echo,
09:55:43 it doesn't -- my side of the river actually sounds pleasant,
09:55:46 but I'm sure for the neighbors next door, it's another
09:55:49 So when you all are considering the fowl issue, whether it
09:55:52 be geese, chickens or otherwise, hens only.
09:55:56 Also, if you consider that moves our lots are 50 feet wide.
09:56:00 So even with a hundred foot setback, you'd basically be
09:56:04 doing sort of like what happened with the Community Gardens
09:56:06 when there was proposition of having in it S 2.
09:56:10 You're saying yes in one hand but telling people no it's not
09:56:13 possible on the other.
09:56:14 So if it could be something that is feasible for the
09:56:17 But it needs to be neighborhood friendly in case do you have
09:56:21 a bad neighbor.
09:56:24 As far as dogs, cats, parrots, generate quite a bit of
09:56:28 I was lucky enough to volunteer this past weekend for paint
09:56:31 your heart out Tampa, and happened to realize that I was
09:56:34 hearing the cluckings of a chicken nearby.
09:56:40 No roosters, just chickens.
09:56:42 Meanwhile the dogs walk over, you could hear it paying like
09:56:46 you wouldn't believe, whenever somebody walked past.
09:56:49 As far as the setbacks, and the lot allowance, in my e-mail
09:56:55 I included, I had gone online and looked at other parts
09:56:59 across the U.S., not just in Florida.
09:57:01 And it seemed to be that what was workable in the
09:57:04 neighborhoods was, if it was one per thousand feet,
09:57:08 including the footprint of the building.
09:57:11 The coops that they were having were basically between five
09:57:14 to ten feet setback from the property.
09:57:18 So here our structures are seven feet from the property.
09:57:21 And it seemed to be working out in the community was no
09:57:26 further than from 25 to 40 feet from a
09:57:30 Neighboring house.
09:57:32 Provided enough distance.
09:57:34 And in regard to maintenance, I mean, you're allowed to have
09:57:38 cats and dogs, not everybody goes out and gets one.
09:57:41 And I don't think as soon as it's allowable for people to
09:57:45 have chickens in the city in their yards and confined in
09:57:48 their yards, that everybody is going to be running out and
09:57:52 buying them.
09:57:52 I know certainly I won't.
09:57:54 But I wouldn't mind if my neighbor would have one if I could
09:57:57 give them an extra chicken to take care of for me.
09:58:00 So if you all would please consider something that's
09:58:02 workable and reasonable, especially for somebody with a
09:58:08 standard lot like an RS-50, that would be greatly
09:58:12 Thank you.
09:58:12 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
09:58:13 Next please?
09:58:16 >> Good morning.
09:58:17 I'm Mark Sutherland, I live in Seminole Heights, my wife and
09:58:20 I do.
09:58:21 I'm here today to hear about the chicken issue.
09:58:23 My wife and I are very interested in actually raising
09:58:26 chickens in our yard.
09:58:27 In fact, we had plans to do so until we found out through
09:58:31 the media that there's this ordinance that restricts how
09:58:33 many chickens you can have depending on the size of your
09:58:38 We're very supportive of any ordinance that would kind of
09:58:41 open this up and make it more available to people to raise
09:58:44 From way understand, having done a lot of research on them,
09:58:49 there really isn't a noise issue or a sanitation issue if
09:58:52 they're raised properly.
09:58:53 The distinction here, one of the previous speakers talked
09:58:55 about loose chickens and health issues and so forth.
09:58:58 If they're raised properly the way the ordinance is
09:59:01 described, where they will be in a confined pen, there will
09:59:04 be no roosters, they should not be a problem, any more so
09:59:08 than any other household pets like a dog or a cat that, as
09:59:12 people had previously, can make quite a bit more noise.
09:59:16 So, I think is very popular movement.
09:59:20 However, not everybody is going to get a chicken as soon as
09:59:25 this new ordinance goes into effect, if it does.
09:59:28 Hope it does.
09:59:29 So it's not like it's going to be huge issue.
09:59:31 But it's going to make it possible for a lot of people to
09:59:33 get involved in a very positive activity that's good for our
09:59:39 health, good for the community.
09:59:40 And probably good for kids.
09:59:43 You know, I come from the food industry and realize a lot of
09:59:46 people don't even know where their food comes from, a lot of
09:59:49 children don't.
09:59:50 So it would be a good thing that would give parents a chance
09:59:52 to show their children how food comes about.
09:59:56 So, I'm very supportive of it and I hope you are too.
09:59:59 Thank you.
10:00:00 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
10:00:00 Next please?
10:00:03 >> My name is Catherine Kelly.
10:00:05 I live 4211 West Angeles Court in South Tampa.
10:00:08 I'm in favor of backyards chickens.
10:00:11 I have a five-year-old daughter, she'll only be five once.
10:00:15 I think this is a wonderful opportunity for her to learn
10:00:17 about where our food sources come from.
10:00:20 And to become part of growing in our yard and taking part in
10:00:27 these activities.
10:00:28 My husband is a 20 year Navy veteran.
10:00:31 When he retired, he had opportunity to look for jobs all
10:00:34 over the country.
10:00:35 He chose Tampa.
10:00:36 And we think this is a special place.
10:00:39 And it's an opportunity to make Tampa even more special by
10:00:44 engaging and having the chickens in our yard and it's not
10:00:47 dirty and it's something that I look forward to hopefully
10:00:51 doing sooner rather than later.
10:00:52 Thank you very much.
10:00:53 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
10:00:54 Next please?
10:01:01 >> My name is Anna Kelly.
10:01:04 And I live 521 West Angeles, Tampa, Florida.
10:01:11 [ Laughter ]
10:01:12 >> What do you want to say?
10:01:14 >> I don't know.
10:01:15 [ Laughter ]
10:01:16 >> You're in favor, right?
10:01:17 Thank you.
10:01:18 [ Laughter ]
10:01:22 >> My name is Juan Antonio Rivera, 305 West Genesee Street,
10:01:28 Tampa, Florida.
10:01:30 I have five little hens, we had them approximately three
10:01:33 years on Genesee Street.
10:01:35 It wasn't until April of last year my neighbors cited us,
10:01:39 called code enforcement and they violent cited us.
10:01:42 Took a whole year.
10:01:43 We actually had to place our chickens somewhere else,
10:01:45 actually have two chickens, out there running around with a
10:01:50 real good home.
10:01:51 In Seminole Heights.
10:01:53 But it took them a whole year in order basically to
10:01:56 understand that chickens are, you know, they're not just
10:02:00 wild fowl, they're domestic chickens.
10:02:02 We raised them from peeps all the way to productive
10:02:05 wonderful chickens.
10:02:07 They're our pets.
10:02:08 They have names.
10:02:09 They roamed our yard and they played around with our dog and
10:02:14 our cat.
10:02:14 It was just a wonderful family thing and our neighbors kind
10:02:18 of cited us.
10:02:19 But what really took it into left from a really, the
10:02:23 enforcement, laws are tricky.
10:02:25 We hired an attorney and after we came to court and talked
10:02:28 to the special committees and so forth, they determined that
10:02:31 the reason why we had to get rid of our chickens is because
10:02:34 we consumed eggs and they consider that to be utility.
10:02:37 Actually the word utility, is defined it was, if they
10:02:40 purchase, if we sold the droppings or we sold the eggs, then
10:02:44 it would be considered utility.
10:02:46 But, and we didn't.
10:02:47 We actually gave away eggs and donated our droppings to the
10:02:50 local garden committee that we have in Seminole Heights.
10:02:56 So, I think you know, everybody was forth until the word
10:03:00 utility came up.
10:03:02 I think it's a wonderful thing to have chickens.
10:03:04 I think everybody should have them.
10:03:05 Ybor City has them.
10:03:07 There's a difference between that type of chicken and the
10:03:09 type of chicken you raise.
10:03:11 That's actually wild fowl.
10:03:12 And it's a wonderful thing.
10:03:14 I see people selling food to feed the chickens in Ybor City.
10:03:17 It's a great thing.
10:03:18 But, I think domestic chickens are wonderful.
10:03:21 Thank you.
10:03:22 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much, sir.
10:03:23 Next please?
10:03:25 >> My name is Ted Matthews.
10:03:29 Live in South Tampa.
10:03:30 I'm eager to get into backyard chickening, but recently like
10:03:36 some of the other gentlemen found out recently could
10:03:38 possibly be illegal.
10:03:39 I certainly don't want to do anything illegal.
10:03:41 At the end of the day this is what the discussion is about.
10:03:44 Are these eggs here.
10:03:46 They're all organic, brown eggs.
10:03:48 They came from the only farm in South Tampa that actually
10:03:51 has the legal restrictions or legal guidelines to raise the
10:03:55 Off Interbay.
10:03:56 And the bottom line is simply, reason why I wanted to get
10:04:00 involved was from a movie called Food Inc.
10:04:03 The average chicken in raising 80% of the chickens that come
10:04:06 to market are by four major companies.
10:04:10 They grow through a period of about seven to eight weeks,
10:04:14 and an organic chicken before it lays eggs takes seven to
10:04:17 eight months.
10:04:18 The difference is quite considerable.
10:04:20 As you stated, there's a lot more organic benefit, free to
10:04:24 have one of these eggs and try yourself.
10:04:26 You notice the shells are considerably harder.
10:04:29 But at the end of the day they're not a runny pale yellow
10:04:34 There's an orange brilliant egg that the taste is
10:04:37 considerably different.
10:04:38 The whole discussion about, you know, the cleanliness and
10:04:42 the sickness is just poor education.
10:04:46 The more you read about them, you'll see it's in fact the
10:04:50 better side of farm animals.
10:04:52 So, I would just encourage -- it is going to be enforced,
10:04:56 there's a lot of homes like you mentioned in Beach Park.
10:04:58 Some of these coops are mag any of sent.
10:05:02 They house four to five hens and ranging from a thousand to
10:05:06 Not only Beach Park, but in Hyde Park, the reason why nobody
10:05:10 knows is because they don't make any noise.
10:05:12 Neighbors don't care.
10:05:13 None of my neighbors seem to care.
10:05:15 But the last thing I want is some code enforcement guy
10:05:17 saying I can't do this after I build a nice coop.
10:05:20 So again, there's no way I can tamp these eggs and get into
10:05:26 You're tree to have them.
10:05:28 They don't need to be set at refrigerated temperature.
10:05:32 And if I again, the only farm that's able to do that is a
10:05:36 place on second street and Interbay here in south Tampa.
10:05:39 So, that's my comments.
10:05:43 Thank you very much.
10:05:43 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
10:05:44 Anyone else in the audience care to speak on item number
10:05:50 >>YVONNE CAPIN: You may want to take those off before they
10:05:53 >> Thank you, Catherine Coyle, planning manager again.
10:05:55 Just a couple of responses to some of the code enforcement
10:05:59 The public is right, it is, has been difficult to enforce
10:06:03 issues with fowl.
10:06:04 It begs the question and I was speaking to Julia Cole about
10:06:09 What happens when the chicken does cross the road?
10:06:12 We have actually a bird sanctuary sitting on top of the
10:06:15 corporate limits of the city.
10:06:16 So when there are free range birds of any kind, any kind of
10:06:20 fowl, domestic, wild, aqua tick, any kind, they actually are
10:06:25 You cannot hunt, kill, trap, maim, molest, move those birds
10:06:31 So when the chicken does leave the yard or the coop, that
10:06:34 does beg the chicken -- question of whose chicken is it.
10:06:37 So has been difficult at times to enforce the regulations.
10:06:40 The question of the term utility does come in as well
10:06:42 because the definition of utility animal and the definition
10:06:45 of domestic fowl and farm animal.
10:06:49 As I mentioned, the regulations are currently kept in
10:06:52 chapter 19.
10:06:53 We will be moving them to the actual reasoning regulations
10:06:56 because they actually are a use of the property.
10:06:59 And that begs the question for Council is, what we basically
10:07:04 heard today is, obviously they have to be in an enclosed
10:07:07 Our current regulations already require that they're
10:07:11 We could clarify that more that it is a cooped area or a
10:07:14 coop or fence or something.
10:07:17 The distance separation from other residential structures,
10:07:20 setbacks from property lines came into question.
10:07:23 Which I believe they should have a set back, especially as
10:07:26 potentially an accessory structure, which is a minimum of
10:07:30 three feet.
10:07:30 You may want to have it even more than that.
10:07:33 Then also maybe the establishment of certain zones within
10:07:35 the city, given the density of certain areas and the types
10:07:38 of uses that are in certain areas.
10:07:40 Those are things you could consider, geographic Cal areas in
10:07:43 the city as well that would potentially allow backyard fowl.
10:07:47 That's all I have to add at this point.
10:07:49 I'm interested in hearing what you have to say.
10:07:54 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Councilmember Ms. Capin?
10:07:56 >>YVONNE CAPIN: You mentioned something about noisy fowl
10:07:58 But that does not include the wild protected fowl that can
10:08:02 be noisy?
10:08:04 >>CATHERINE COYLE: Correct.
10:08:04 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Okay.
10:08:05 And to the lady that spoke earlier, I lived near Lowry Park
10:08:09 years ago.
10:08:10 And the peacocks were -- I could hear them four blocks away.
10:08:15 >> I live near Lowry Park and the peacocks are loud.
10:08:18 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Are they still there?
10:08:19 Has been quite a few years.
10:08:21 Okay, I wanted to know about that.
10:08:23 The wild, so they're protected.
10:08:26 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Mr. Suarez?
10:08:27 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you, chair.
10:08:28 Okay, Ms. Coyle, I've got several questions, really
10:08:32 concerning where everything falls within the code.
10:08:36 Because we are talking land development code.
10:08:38 There are a lot of other issues that go along with this that
10:08:41 I'm not sure where may fall.
10:08:42 Question I have is, can the land development code be used to
10:08:48 control the type housing care of chickens?
10:08:51 Is that something that falls under that code Cody?
10:08:54 >>CATHERINE COYLE: Yes, sir.
10:08:55 >>MIKE SUAREZ: We do the same thing with other domesticated
10:08:58 animals too?
10:09:00 >>CATHERINE COYLE: Correct.
10:09:00 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Are fowl considered non-domesticated animals?
10:09:05 >>CATHERINE COYLE: Currently.
10:09:06 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Currently they are considered nondomestic, as
10:09:09 part of the code, correct?
10:09:10 >> Considered farm animals.
10:09:12 >>MIKE SUAREZ: We're not animal experts.
10:09:13 I don't think anybody in land development, unless you are.
10:09:16 I know you know a little bit about peacocks.
10:09:18 >> I had 17 cats at one point.
10:09:20 Two dogs and cockatiels.
10:09:24 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Did code enforcement go to your house?
10:09:26 >>CATHERINE COYLE: I was in Sarasota County.
10:09:28 >>MIKE SUAREZ: So, I'm not going to get into the discussion
10:09:31 as to types of animals, whether or not they're pets or
10:09:35 laying eggs or anything else.
10:09:38 But when you talk about land development, what issues come
10:09:42 into play in terms of health issues?
10:09:43 I mean, there are other parts of this that -- any time you
10:09:47 raise an animal, doesn't matter what animal it is.
10:09:50 Doesn't have to be chickens, asking dogs, can be cats,
10:09:53 anything else, does that also fall under land development or
10:09:56 is that in another part of the code concerning, you know,
10:10:01 what we expect in terms of basic housekeeping for animals?
10:10:07 >>CATHERINE COYLE: It's actually chapter 19, which is
10:10:09 typically referred to as the code enforcement chapter, but
10:10:11 it's really property structure chapter.
10:10:15 >>MIKE SUAREZ: So this is the 19.
10:10:18 >> As a public nuisance.
10:10:20 Basically gives the unsanitary conditions, attacks on other
10:10:24 animals, attacks on people, noise.
10:10:26 Makes disturbing noises, chases vehicles, all those general
10:10:31 characteristics, be it a dog, bird, a cat, whatever it
10:10:34 happens to be, if you fall within this you're automatically
10:10:37 deemed a nuisance as an animal.
10:10:39 >>MIKE SUAREZ: You've got on there unsanitary conditions.
10:10:42 There a definition of what unsanitary conditions are?
10:10:45 >>CATHERINE COYLE: I don't think it's an actual direct
10:10:47 definition, no.
10:10:51 It's a judgment at that point.
10:10:54 >>MIKE SUAREZ: The reason I'm asking all these questions,
10:10:56 when we start talking about changing code in order to allow
10:10:59 a use, there's a lot more to a use than just you're allowed
10:11:05 to have chickens.
10:11:07 Now, again, I know nothing about chickens.
10:11:09 I'm, you know, that's a whole other issue.
10:11:13 That's why I was asking domesticated versus
10:11:18 Do you treat them the same?
10:11:20 And I know these are not answers you have.
10:11:22 These are questions I have.
10:11:24 And as an example, let's say a chicken dies, someone may
10:11:27 want to eat that chicken.
10:11:28 I don't know if, you know, chicken owners do that.
10:11:32 >> I that I those are dead, you don't want to eat it.
10:11:34 Unless you kill it on purpose.
10:11:36 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Again, my point is that if they do kill a
10:11:39 chicken on their property, there are, you know, again,
10:11:44 issues in terms of sanitary disposal of blood and things
10:11:49 like that.
10:11:50 Again, and I say this only from an experience I had as a
10:11:55 college student.
10:11:56 There was a group of guy that is were living in an
10:11:59 apartment -- leaving an apartment I was going to be renting
10:12:02 and they actually blooded a duck inside the bathtub.
10:12:06 Which I unfortunately found out after I moved into the
10:12:10 So, you know, I'm not sure what people do with their
10:12:13 animals, domesticated or non-domesticated, in terms of how
10:12:16 they care for them.
10:12:17 And I just don't want to get our code too mucked up with
10:12:22 what is it that we are actually controlling?
10:12:26 You know, obviously, it's a very broad code.
10:12:29 In terms of most of the stuff that we have on there, even
10:12:32 the section that concerns what is called, what is a
10:12:37 I'm not sure we want to be the expert on chickens or any
10:12:40 other kind of fowl or any other kind of animals in terms of
10:12:43 how you care and feed and everything else with animals.
10:12:46 So, I'm not sure where to go on all this I just wanted to
10:12:51 find out if there was something in code that reflects that.
10:12:56 >>CATHERINE COYLE: Well, City Council wouldn't sit as
10:12:58 necessarily the experts to make that judgment on, if someone
10:13:00 actually does have a violation of a noise or odor or
10:13:03 something else.
10:13:04 You have many different options.
10:13:06 Right now it does go through the Code Enforcement Board.
10:13:08 We also have a civil citation process.
10:13:11 It gets much cleaner where a citation is actually issued.
10:13:14 That winds up going through the court system, actually if
10:13:17 someone wants to challenge that.
10:13:18 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Let me ask you a question before you go on.
10:13:21 Reason I'm asking all these questions, because there are
10:13:23 some multi-use areas in other parts of the country, probably
10:13:26 in other parts of the state that allow for some type of, you
10:13:30 know, animal, you know, growing animals --
10:13:37 >> Agricultural.
10:13:38 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Yes, agriculture.
10:13:41 And I know there are some in this state.
10:13:44 Specifically zoned for that type of use.
10:13:47 >>CATHERINE COYLE: They're in the county.
10:13:49 >>MIKE SUAREZ: They're in the county, typically.
10:13:51 >>CATHERINE COYLE: Well, in this county.
10:13:52 They're not in the city.
10:13:54 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I'll give an example.
10:13:56 Miami lakes is a part of Florida that does allow some use,
10:14:00 it was a former dairy farm and now a dairy ranch, and now
10:14:04 it's got, still has cows in some parts of Miami lakes.
10:14:09 That's the way it was developed, that's the way it started.
10:14:12 That's the way that they continue to allow that type of use.
10:14:15 Now, again, it's probably zoned in a certain way that allows
10:14:18 for that kind of use.
10:14:21 >>CATHERINE COYLE: Or it could be an ongoing nonconforming
10:14:24 >>MIKE SUAREZ: It could be.
10:14:25 >>CATHERINE COYLE: Much like the farm on Interbay.
10:14:28 >>MIKE SUAREZ: But that's a planned community though.
10:14:29 So my guess is they planned for the use of that land and
10:14:32 allow for continued agricultural use.
10:14:37 And I think you had mentioned that, most of the other cities
10:14:41 don't, in the state at least don't have the domesticated --
10:14:46 excuse me, the fowl, you know, issues in terms of, you know,
10:14:52 chickens and other things, if I'm not mistaken.
10:14:54 >>CATHERINE COYLE: I've only looked at a couple.
10:14:57 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Comparable sizes, right?
10:14:59 >>CATHERINE COYLE: Correct.
10:14:59 And before I were to propose an ordinance, if Council were
10:15:02 to give some general parameters about setbacks, distance,
10:15:05 noise, odors and then, before I would bring back
10:15:08 regulations, I would go out and do extensive research.
10:15:11 And more than likely come up with additional definitions
10:15:13 that clarified utility animals, what those types of offenses
10:15:19 could be.
10:15:20 To clean it up.
10:15:21 Because the language does need to be cleaned up, so it's a
10:15:24 much clearer guide for the enforcement team that actually
10:15:26 goes out and looks at them.
10:15:28 And I would recommend we probably go down civil citation
10:15:31 process as opposed to the code enforcement board hearing
10:15:35 >>MIKE SUAREZ: You're saying it has to be cleaned up whether
10:15:38 or not --
10:15:39 >> Regardless.
10:15:40 >> Thank you, Ms. Coyle.
10:15:41 Appreciate it.
10:15:45 >> Ms. Coyle, do you know when the current provisions
10:15:48 governing this matter were originally established?
10:15:52 >>CATHERINE COYLE: The earliest date on section 19-76 in the
10:15:56 code itself is 1989.
10:15:58 >>HARRY COHEN: 1989.
10:15:59 You know, it strikes me that an awful lot has changed since
10:16:03 And one of the things, we don't all have cell phones that we
10:16:08 were walking around with in 1989.
10:16:10 And one of the things that's really taken on a life of its
10:16:14 own in the past five or 10 years, is the whole concept of
10:16:17 farm to table, the whole concept of people really making an
10:16:21 effort to eat locally produced food, as opposed to food that
10:16:25 is mass produced.
10:16:26 And people wanting to control what hormones and antibiotics
10:16:31 may be in the eggs that they eat.
10:16:33 Then of course I think there's no question that some people
10:16:35 want to teach their children that food actually comes from
10:16:40 It doesn't necessarily come from Publix or Sweetbay, or
10:16:44 where it appears to come from.
10:16:46 And the reason I say that is because it seems to me that the
10:16:52 right thing to do in this case is for to us modernize our
10:16:56 code to fit in with the way people are living today.
10:17:00 And it's in that spirit that I think we can address this
10:17:05 issue and at the same time build in safeguards to make sure
10:17:08 that we don't have chickens running around in neighborhoods
10:17:11 and people having to chase errant animals around their
10:17:16 Clearly the same rules that would apply to dogs and cats and
10:17:21 other animals could easily apply, you know, to chickens,
10:17:25 although maybe the bird issues would preempt that.
10:17:31 I was going to, after everyone spoke, make some suggestions
10:17:36 to how we might craft an ordinance that would allow for the
10:17:39 raising of chickens for the purpose of producing eggs inside
10:17:44 the city, but also have a strong balance to make sure that
10:17:49 the neighborhoods and the people surrounding the chickens
10:17:52 had a voice so that they weren't, you know, overtaken by
10:17:55 something that created a nuisance.
10:17:57 So, maybe once we have heard from everyone, I'll make some
10:18:03 of those suggestions.
10:18:09 >>FRANK REDDICK: Thank you, Mr. Chair.
10:18:10 Let me first start by thanking Myron Harris Jones for
10:18:18 sending me a picture of her pet Duffie chicken.
10:18:27 So I think it was done based on my previous comments at the
10:18:33 last time we had a discussion.
10:18:34 So, I want to thank her for that.
10:18:36 Where did she go?
10:18:44 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: She went to get other pictures.
10:18:47 >> Had to step out of the room in just a minute.
10:18:50 If there are any questions I can try and answer in the
10:18:54 >>FRANK REDDICK: Well, let me try.
10:18:55 We currently, our code currently state that you can have
10:19:00 chickens in the backyard, correct?
10:19:04 >>JULIA COLE: There is allowability for chickens within our
10:19:08 code with some very specific parameters.
10:19:10 Make it very difficult for most property owners to have
10:19:14 >>FRANK REDDICK: But you can chicken in the backyard.
10:19:18 >>JULIA COLE: As it stands right now, the code does provide.
10:19:21 >>FRANK REDDICK: From my understanding, it has to be within
10:19:25 200 feet of a residential property or adjacent to a
10:19:29 property, is that correct?
10:19:31 >>JULIA COLE: I think it's something to that effect.
10:19:33 I don't have all of the specific regulations on the top of
10:19:38 my head.
10:19:38 But I think it is something like 200 feet away from
10:19:41 residential property line.
10:19:43 It is something where I understand the parameters are such
10:19:45 that it is very difficult to do.
10:19:48 >>FRANK REDDICK: All right, thank you in that respect.
10:19:50 Let me just say, we talk about -- I keep hearing comments
10:19:57 about education.
10:20:03 People wants to have, educate their children.
10:20:06 Of growing eggs and all of this.
10:20:13 I mean, you can buy books and read and educate your child
10:20:17 about organic products and organic food.
10:20:21 I think -- if I'm correct, you can go in the grocery store,
10:20:26 Publix and buy organic eggs?
10:20:32 >> Is that my question?
10:20:34 >>FRANK REDDICK: Yes.
10:20:34 >> I do buy my eggs from Publix and I do buy free range.
10:20:38 But I don't know if they're the same as from a farm.
10:20:41 >>FRANK REDDICK: So, and they -- reason I'm asking the
10:20:44 question, because, e-mails I have received and the phone
10:20:52 calls that I have received, no one supports having chickens
10:20:57 in their backyard.
10:21:00 And I share with you an experience that I had with a loose
10:21:04 And the last time we discussed this.
10:21:08 And the problem I have, even if you put a chicken in a coop,
10:21:12 you put a chicken in your backyard, chicken going to get
10:21:17 loose sometime.
10:21:18 That chicken know how to fly.
10:21:20 And I've seen -- and I learned that from my experience from
10:21:25 taking -- chasing a loose chicken around my house.
10:21:28 A chicken know how to fly.
10:21:32 Now, that chicken going to end up in somebody's yard who
10:21:37 would not wish to have this chicken in their yard.
10:21:40 And so how are you going to control that?
10:21:45 How are you going to enforce that?
10:21:47 And because, if you allow someone, my next-door neighbor to
10:21:52 have a chicken coop back there, allow them to put chicken in
10:21:57 their backyard, I personally do not want no chickens.
10:22:02 And that chicken get loose, who is responsible for that
10:22:06 If something happens to that chicken?
10:22:10 And so, I understand about the unincorporated areas that you
10:22:16 have chickens.
10:22:17 We currently have a policy in place that you can have
10:22:20 chickens in your backyard.
10:22:22 And I understand that you, we got some requirement.
10:22:27 I just don't support -- you can't modernize everything.
10:22:31 You can't modernize a chicken.
10:22:39 And I don't know about how other members of the Council
10:22:46 feel, but my personal feeling is, chickens, having a chicken
10:22:52 is a public nuisance.
10:22:54 The chicken kick up mud.
10:23:02 The chicken run around the house and destroy my flowerbeds.
10:23:08 And I'm responsible for having to clean that up, the
10:23:13 droppings, the droopings or whatever you call it, so, I
10:23:18 would not chase my position.
10:23:22 I will not support chickens, the current rule we have in
10:23:27 place, I will support that.
10:23:29 But I will not change my position to modernize it because I
10:23:33 don't think in the city limits of the City of Tampa we
10:23:37 should have loose chickens running around in somebody's
10:23:43 And so, Mr. Chairman, those are my comments and it might not
10:23:50 be favorable, but that's my position.
10:23:53 And I don't care if you don't like it or not.
10:23:56 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: And we appreciate your position, and I
10:23:58 know that you do care.
10:24:00 >>FRANK REDDICK: Thank you, sir.
10:24:01 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Ms. Mulhern?
10:24:03 >>MARY MULHERN: Thank you.
10:24:04 Mr. Reddick, I've been meaning to ask you the last time if
10:24:09 you're sure that was a chicken and not a rooster.
10:24:12 It was a chicken, okay.
10:24:14 I think -- I have many, and we have heard from many people
10:24:20 I have people e-mails from people who are in opposition, but
10:24:24 most of the e-mails I got were people in support of revising
10:24:29 our ordinances.
10:24:31 And I think, we heard from a lot of people today who are
10:24:36 here, were brave enough to say that they actually do have
10:24:39 chickens in their backyard.
10:24:41 But the reality is, there are so many people who have them,
10:24:46 and every neighborhood I know has them.
10:24:48 And the idea of restricting witch zones or areas or
10:24:53 neighborhoods could have them doesn't even make sense any
10:24:56 more because there are so many people that have chicken
10:24:58 coops and have a few chickens in their backyard that, and
10:25:02 because really in general, other than that rogue chicken
10:25:06 that Councilmember Reddick had the terrifying experience
10:25:09 with, you don't even know that they're there on your block
10:25:12 or in your backyard.
10:25:13 I really think that's the reality here.
10:25:19 So, what I think we need to do -- and the way our code is
10:25:23 written right now with that 500-foot distance separation
10:25:28 doesn't, you know, has to be fixed.
10:25:31 -- 200-foot.
10:25:33 That would be even worse.
10:25:35 But, I think we heard from a lot of people today with some
10:25:39 good suggestions.
10:25:40 And I didn't hear a lot of opposition to us really bringing
10:25:45 our code into the reality of the way that things are now,
10:25:51 that a lot of people do have in urban settings have backyard
10:25:55 I'm sure that Ms. Coyle can find a model ordinance because
10:26:00 there are so many cities, bigger and more dense than Tampa,
10:26:04 that do, you know, have recognized this and made it possible
10:26:10 to do this without creating, you know, even code enforcement
10:26:15 problems for us.
10:26:15 So, I think we have a reasonable setback, I think Ms. Smith
10:26:20 had some good suggestions, but I also think that I'm sure
10:26:23 that there are model ordinances maybe -- I think St. Pete's
10:26:27 100 feet is probably still too big.
10:26:30 But the idea of making the distance separation maybe from a
10:26:34 house as opposed to from the lot line might make sense.
10:26:40 I think it sounds like pretty much everybody realizes that
10:26:44 we shouldn't allow roosters, just hens.
10:26:47 And I think that the reality is -- I'd like to see us come
10:26:52 up with some revisions fairly quickly, because this is
10:26:56 reminding me of four years ago when we first started talking
10:26:59 about Community Gardens and there was a fear among Council
10:27:06 then and among some of the neighbors about whether we should
10:27:11 allow Community Gardens.
10:27:14 Well, now we have, you know, community garden in Tampa
10:27:17 Heights where each of us has a tree named after us.
10:27:20 And the reality is, I haven't gotten complaints about there
10:27:26 being -- really, it's something that we're recognizing what
10:27:30 the trends are, and what the reality is in a difficult
10:27:36 economic time and also in a time where people are realizing
10:27:39 that they want to have healthy food.
10:27:43 And they might want to grow their own in their own little
10:27:47 backyard and urban agriculture is happening and you know, we
10:27:54 can't really -- it's not even so much modernizing as going
10:27:58 back to more local, workable, healthy model for feeding
10:28:05 ourselves and our families.
10:28:07 So, I'd like to see you come back with some recommendations
10:28:12 and I'm sure Mr. Cohen might have some more specific
10:28:18 suggestions, but my things are to fix the setbacks, not to
10:28:22 allow roosters.
10:28:24 And the other thing is -- I think you're already going to do
10:28:27 that, but possibly just change that, the utility animal
10:28:33 designation to domestic animal for hens, or for fowl.
10:28:42 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Mr. Capin, then.
10:28:47 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Thank you, Mr. Chair.
10:28:48 It seems like we're going a 50 year, we're going back --
10:28:54 we're not going back, but it's a 50 year cycle.
10:28:57 And I'm going to share this.
10:28:59 I am interested in hearing the parameters that are, may be
10:29:04 coming forth as opposed domestic as opposed to -- you know,
10:29:09 farm animal.
10:29:10 I group in an agricultural area called Ybor City.
10:29:14 And 50 years ago or more, when I was about four years old,
10:29:24 my grandfather had fowl in his yard.
10:29:26 I learned that we ate the eggs and we did eat the fowl also.
10:29:31 I learned the process exactly how it was done to de-feather
10:29:36 them at a very young age.
10:29:43 Then we fast forward 30 years from that time and I had a
10:29:49 young boy visiting our home and we were making some egg
10:29:52 He wanted to know where eggs came from.
10:29:54 And I asked him where do you think eggs come from?
10:29:57 He said trees.
10:29:59 [ Laughter ]
10:29:59 >>YVONNE CAPIN: And I knew we had gone 30 years of, from
10:30:04 where I grew up with the animals in the yard, and there were
10:30:08 geese also, who chased myself and my sister around the yard.
10:30:14 And then, you fast forward 20 years, and we're here.
10:30:18 One of the things I'd like to see is, hear, I'd like -- I
10:30:27 do, Ms. Coyle's suggestion of the intensive study for this.
10:30:35 Because I will tell you as far as pets or domestic, at one
10:30:43 time, I am highly allergic to cats.
10:30:46 But I lived in Beach Park and we had a huge issue with mice
10:30:52 from the water.
10:30:53 And into the citrus trees.
10:30:55 So, I brought a kitty home, who had to be outside, but had
10:31:01 every -- was spayed, all the vaccinations, and my neighbor
10:31:08 next door said to me, your cat is loose in the yard.
10:31:13 And I said yes, it's because of the mice.
10:31:15 He said I'd rather have mice.
10:31:17 So, as far as what the neighbor thinks, that -- that would
10:31:23 be, that's up to everyone has an opinion.
10:31:27 But, we didn't have any mice in our yard any more.
10:31:31 So, I just wanted to share that with everyone here in a
10:31:38 little bit of Tampa's history and how we have come, we're
10:31:42 coming full circle.
10:31:44 I'd love to hear the -- I'm looking forward to hearing the
10:31:48 suggestion from my fellow Councilman Cohen.
10:31:52 And I thank you for the time.
10:31:54 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
10:31:56 Mr. Cohen?
10:31:58 >>HARRY COHEN: Thank you very much, Mr. Chair.
10:31:59 I did want to -- I do want to make a motion, but before I do
10:32:03 that I do want to address one thing that Mr. Reddick asked.
10:32:06 And that was regarding organic eggs being available at
10:32:09 grocery stores.
10:32:10 Absolutely they are.
10:32:11 But they're very expensive.
10:32:13 And people that raise chickens and are able to produce eggs
10:32:18 on a regular basis are able to actually do it at some amount
10:32:22 of savings over what they pay, would pay for organic or free
10:32:28 range eggs at the grocery store.
10:32:30 So with that said, I'd like to make the following motion.
10:32:34 And it hopefully will incorporate some of the comments that
10:32:39 were made particularly just now by Councilwoman Mulhern and
10:32:45 The first would be to request staff to draft an ordinance
10:32:48 addressing backyard chickens for City Council's
10:32:51 consideration during the next Chapter 27 amendment cycle.
10:32:55 That the amendment use the same procedure for review and
10:32:59 approval as the Community Gardens ordinance, which is an S-1
10:33:03 administrative review process.
10:33:05 And that the proposed standards should be similar to those
10:33:08 in other communities, perhaps tracking a model ordinance
10:33:12 that's been adopted elsewhere.
10:33:15 I would also like to add that the ordinance should prohibit
10:33:19 roosters, it should create a reasonable distance separation
10:33:23 of less than a hundred feet between the chicken and the
10:33:29 nearest residential dwelling.
10:33:32 Owned by someone else.
10:33:33 That the ordinance address the issues of keeping the animals
10:33:39 And also explore the issue of whether or not it would be
10:33:43 possible to establish certain zones within the city where
10:33:47 chickens would be allowed or not allowed.
10:33:51 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion at this time -- I haven't
10:33:56 really closed this hearing.
10:33:57 I want to hold that motion in abeyance.
10:34:00 And then we'll do that.
10:34:03 Let me say something.
10:34:04 I've been silent for a while.
10:34:06 When I was a very young boy, it was chickens in our
10:34:13 There was also a goat.
10:34:15 The neighbors had cows.
10:34:17 Some neighbors had horses.
10:34:18 And yes, that was the suburban area of Ybor City.
10:34:24 When then now, MLK Boulevard to the north was considered a
10:34:33 When the stadium was -- the stadium, is that now on Himes
10:34:37 There, we used to go cut the hay.
10:34:40 And guy would pay us to go cut the hay with a scythe to give
10:34:46 to the cows and horses they would then bundle up and take.
10:34:51 Chickens were a way of life.
10:34:52 We used to go buy for ten cents east at lope pus feed on
10:35:00 east seventh avenue.
10:35:01 Not that feed store.
10:35:02 But a feed store on 26th avenue and 15th street.
10:35:05 And I would call that man, I'm going to admit to things I
10:35:08 would do sometimes that were not too good, but I called him
10:35:12 and said I'm [speaking Spanish] which for the baby chickens
10:35:16 is like a powder stuff.
10:35:17 Then half a pound of cracked corn for the older ones, this,
10:35:21 that and the other.
10:35:22 Then when I wanted to do something, you know, you're not
10:35:25 supposed to do, I would call them, give them an order for
10:35:28 horses and cows and this, that and the others, and I would
10:35:31 give him his own address to deliver it to.
10:35:34 He would load the truck and he would really get upset.
10:35:37 I'd be watching him load the truck and go around the block
10:35:40 trying to find his own address.
10:35:41 But those are the things I did when I was a young man.
10:35:44 I admit to that, but these are the things that it taught me
10:35:50 My mother and I were the only ones that would really deal
10:35:53 with the chickens.
10:35:54 And we would, when there was a chicken fest, people want to
10:35:59 come over to eat, my mother and I were the ones that were
10:36:02 given the orders to go get the food.
10:36:05 And we were the ones that had to do either the neck twisting
10:36:09 or whatever, and boiling of the chicken in hot water.
10:36:13 And plucking them and getting preparation, somebody else
10:36:17 would cook the meal.
10:36:18 But it taught me a lot.
10:36:22 Even when I went to the new condominiums, I thought they
10:36:25 were condominiums, hot water, solar heater, it was actually
10:36:30 Tampa housing authority because I never had hot water and I
10:36:33 thought it was the first condo in my life.
10:36:35 Even there was a little alcove with about a three by seven
10:36:38 where the electrical outlets were, and I would get chickens
10:36:42 and raise them in that little alcove.
10:36:45 Never had a problem with chickens.
10:36:47 I understand the apprehension of some folks in the city.
10:36:52 And maybe there's a mechanism now with all this technology,
10:36:56 where you can put a little label on the chicken leg, a
10:37:00 little thing with your name on it.
10:37:02 Doesn't come off.
10:37:03 Doesn't hurt the chicken.
10:37:04 Doesn't hurt anything.
10:37:05 And these are the things you could identify the chicken.
10:37:07 I don't want to have a police captain looking for strange
10:37:11 lost chickens in the neighborhood either.
10:37:14 But I want to get to the bottom of this I also don't want to
10:37:17 see any chickens killed for spiritual activities.
10:37:20 And that happens quite often.
10:37:22 More than you and I understand.
10:37:24 And let me tell you about goats.
10:37:27 We had goats.
10:37:29 And goat throughout the world other than here, because we're
10:37:32 very smart society.
10:37:34 And we think we know it all.
10:37:35 But goats are moved from parts of highways to eat the grass,
10:37:40 so you don't have to have a lawn mower and expense and the
10:37:44 gas is going up and the atmosphere, they use goats.
10:37:47 I'm not suggesting that, don't get me wrong.
10:37:50 [ Laughter ]
10:37:51 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'm just saying that's what a lot of
10:37:53 population in the world use.
10:37:54 They just put a stake here and the goats eat around.
10:37:58 Can't go, can't leave.
10:37:59 But these are the things that I remember growing up.
10:38:02 In fact, right here on Ashley drive and the railroad track,
10:38:06 used to be Jackson grain.
10:38:08 Boy, that was the wholesaler that would sell you the grain
10:38:11 to -- there was a lot of areas that had feed stores because
10:38:17 mostly everybody had chickens.
10:38:19 Not all.
10:38:20 But most in my neighborhood anyway had chickens.
10:38:23 And I enjoyed them.
10:38:26 And we had a great time.
10:38:29 They taught me a lot.
10:38:31 But anyway, Ms. Coyle?
10:38:35 >>CATHERINE COYLE: Thank you.
10:38:36 Catherine Coyle again.
10:38:37 If I could just ask a couple clarifying questions on the
10:38:41 We talked about the enforcement briefly.
10:38:43 I talked about the two different approaches.
10:38:45 Potentially, because even Mr. Miranda mentioned we don't
10:38:48 necessarily want to send the chief of police out there.
10:38:50 There's the civil citation process which we have adopted for
10:38:54 many different violations, which is more a ticketing
10:38:57 Then we have the straight Code Enforcement Board, which is
10:39:00 much more lengthy.
10:39:02 Would you like to us explore the civil citation process as
10:39:05 well for enforcement?
10:39:06 The second one, you mentioned slaughtering for religious
10:39:10 purpose, because touchy subject over religious freedom.
10:39:15 I'm assuming based on the conversation I have heard this is
10:39:18 just for consumption of eggs, not actually killing the
10:39:21 I can research other health issues with that.
10:39:23 But I'm assuming that we're not talking about eating the
10:39:26 animals themselves.
10:39:26 Just the product of the animal.
10:39:29 >>HARRY COHEN: I wasn't contemplating anyone slaughtering
10:39:33 the chickens and eating them.
10:39:34 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I go back to the original motion by
10:39:37 Mr. Cohen, second by Ms. Capin.
10:39:40 Any further discussion of that motion?
10:39:41 All in favor of the motion, please indicate by saying aye.
10:39:44 Opposed nay.
10:39:46 Motion passes 6-1.
10:39:47 Thank you very much for your expressing your feelings today
10:39:56 on the chickens.
10:39:57 We go to item number 7.
10:40:04 Which is the item on the audit of solid waste.
10:40:20 >> Good morning.
10:40:23 I may have gained a new perspective on chickens today.
10:40:26 My name is Mike Herr, I'm pleased to have joined the city's
10:40:31 leadership team.
10:40:32 I'm your new administrator of public works and utility
10:40:36 I started Monday.
10:40:37 So this is my fourth day.
10:40:38 It's a pleasure to be here.
10:40:40 And many of you have been very are gracious with your time
10:40:43 for next week and I look forward to meeting with you.
10:40:46 I've had a chance to talk with our leadership team with
10:40:48 respect to this audit that's been done and we're going to be
10:40:50 talking about this morning.
10:40:52 I am pleased to introduce Tonja Brickhouse, our slaved
10:40:56 director, needs no introduction our solid R lid waste
10:41:02 Look forward to working with you.
10:41:04 >> Our pleasure, Ms. Brickhouse.
10:41:06 >> Good morning.
10:41:07 Tonja Brickhouse, City of Tampa, department of solid waste
10:41:11 and environmental program management director.
10:41:13 Council, it's a pleasure to be before you this morning.
10:41:15 I have tag teamed with Roger Strout, our internal auditor to
10:41:21 do this morning's presentation.
10:41:23 What we plan to do is first have Roger Strout come forward
10:41:26 and give you an update on the audit and the audit findings.
10:41:30 Then I'll follow him with the current ongoing action.
10:41:37 >> Thank you, Tonja.
10:41:38 I'm Roger Strout.
10:41:39 The city internal auditor.
10:41:41 And what I've done to try to make this easier to work
10:41:45 through is, I've prepared a PowerPoint, which has one slide
10:41:49 for each finding and each recommendation.
10:41:51 And I've got handouts as well as the video room has the
10:41:56 flash drive and they can put those on the monitors for you.
10:41:59 Let me give you a copy of the overhand.
10:42:14 Not to steal any of Tonja's presentation, she has prepared a
10:42:17 matrix, which shows down the left-hand side, each issue.
10:42:22 And then the column with our recommendation.
10:42:25 Then a third column with their status, what they've done.
10:42:29 And then a fourth column with comments of what they're going
10:42:31 to do.
10:42:32 So she has a nice matrix she's going to bring up and discuss
10:42:36 with you.
10:42:36 I thought I'd start out just reviewing the conclusions of
10:42:44 the audit.
10:42:45 There are some good things in our conclusion and there are
10:42:48 some opportunities to improve.
10:42:49 First of all, our conclusion was that customers were charged
10:42:54 in accordance with the rate resolutions.
10:42:56 And any adjustments were properly calculated and supported.
10:43:01 This is a good thing.
10:43:02 Our second conclusion, customer complaints were not always
10:43:06 addressed in a timely manner.
10:43:08 Our third conclusion touched on overtime.
10:43:13 While there has been a reduction in overtime over the past
10:43:15 few years, and we'd like to commend solid waste for that
10:43:20 reduction, there seems to be an opportunity to improve the
10:43:24 documentation, specifically approving the overtime in
10:43:29 advance and using the proper city forms for documenting
10:43:37 >> Mr. Strout, I think if you could keep the slide going
10:43:39 with your presentation, then the people on the Twiggs will
10:43:41 be able to seat.
10:43:42 Thank you.
10:43:44 >> Thank you for bringing that up.
10:43:46 Haven't been here for about nine months.
10:43:50 And then lastly, solid waste currently does not have the
10:43:55 necessary tools to optimize their roots.
10:43:57 And tools, we're talking about software.
10:44:00 Now let me go specifically into each individual finding and
10:44:06 our recommendation.
10:44:07 The first audit issue, which is before recommendation one,
10:44:16 and that is the system reports.
10:44:19 Let me explain these two am crow nips.
10:44:21 CSC stands for customer service tem.
10:44:25 That's the system most everybody is familiar with that's on
10:44:27 the city's web site, where you can go to that web site and
10:44:30 you can send a complaint or a question or any kind of
10:44:34 information that you're desiring from the city into the
10:44:37 customer service system and you will get an answer.
10:44:40 The beauty of that system, it's the ultimate in followup.
10:44:44 The citizens question doesn't go away until it is resolved.
10:44:47 And that system is monitored.
10:44:49 Additionally, if the customer has an issue regarding their
10:44:54 solid waste, they could call into the call center.
10:44:57 And the call center works with the MSS system, which is the
10:45:01 multi-service system.
10:45:02 This is the city's billing system.
10:45:05 It bills people for water, for wastewater and solid waste.
10:45:09 This is the central repository of the customers' data.
10:45:13 And when someone calls in information that they are
10:45:15 presenting to the customer service center, operators, about
10:45:19 their complaint, gets recorded in the MSS system, which is a
10:45:23 good thing.
10:45:24 Because that's the home base for information from a
10:45:27 And then that way you can see the history of any issues or
10:45:31 complaints or problems they have.
10:45:33 It's the repository for that history.
10:45:35 Currently, the system reports do not provide information to
10:45:41 residential management in a useful format.
10:45:43 You've got the customer service system providing it one way
10:45:46 and you have the MSS system providing it another way.
10:45:50 Further in my report, you'll see us recommend these two
10:45:53 systems should be integrated, so information from the
10:45:55 customer service system gets passed to the MS system, which
10:46:01 is the repository for that history.
10:46:03 Our recommendation was that solid waste residential
10:46:06 management should work with technology and innovation, to
10:46:09 modify current reports and develop additional reports based
10:46:13 on the needs of management.
10:46:14 Secondly, they should continue to ensure training with their
10:46:19 management staff, so their management staff can use the
10:46:22 system to access these reports and use them.
10:46:25 Our second recommendation is regarding vehicle condition
10:46:32 Vehicle inspection reports are not consistently completed by
10:46:37 the drivers.
10:46:38 We have recommended that they reinforce their current
10:46:42 policies and develop an accountability plan, which supports
10:46:47 completion of their prior documentation.
10:46:49 The reason that is important, if a vehicle has a defect in
10:46:52 it or has a mechanical issue when it comes back at night,
10:46:54 it's really important to note that so that it can be
10:46:57 repaired before the vehicle goes out the next morning.
10:47:00 And the other key is that supervisors monitor these reports,
10:47:07 to be sure that they are being filled out and that they're
10:47:10 being followed up on.
10:47:12 Our third item --
10:47:18 >> Can we keep --
10:47:21 >> Sorry.
10:47:21 I'm going to get a failing grade on audio vision.
10:47:24 The third issue is analysis and management of workflow.
10:47:33 It is limited due to the fact that current reports are
10:47:36 limited and not in useful format.
10:47:38 And when we talk about workflow, we talk about the planning
10:47:41 of the routes and the actual execution of those plans.
10:47:45 Here we recommended that T and I and budget department
10:47:51 determine a more appropriate workflow system, which includes
10:47:56 route optimization modules, in order to increase efficiency,
10:48:01 reduce costs and improve customer service.
10:48:03 They should also ensure management and staff receive
10:48:07 extensive training on these systems, so that they can
10:48:10 utilize them to acquire the reports that they need to manage
10:48:15 their processes.
10:48:16 Recommendation number four, and I'd remind you, Tonja is
10:48:25 going to come up in a few minutes and tell you each one of
10:48:27 these, detail, what she has accomplished so far.
10:48:30 Recommendation number four, customer service documentation
10:48:34 is not always consistent in the MSS system and the CSC
10:48:40 The MSS system being the billing system and CSC system being
10:48:45 the customer service system on the web site.
10:48:52 We think that's important because that's the history of the
10:48:54 customer's account.
10:48:56 And any issues it's had and how it's been resolved.
10:49:00 Our recommendation is that solid waste residential
10:49:02 management should assign individuals to reconcile the
10:49:05 information between the MSS system and the customer service
10:49:12 system on a regular basis.
10:49:14 The reports should be utilized.
10:49:17 Talking about reports easier to reconcile the process.
10:49:20 Facilitate that reconciliation.
10:49:23 And with that, should give them an efficient way to
10:49:25 accomplish it.
10:49:26 Then our second item is all complaints should be recorded in
10:49:30 the customer's account on the MSS system.
10:49:34 Again, that's the history of the customer's account.
10:49:37 And should include at a minimum the initial complaint,
10:49:40 thousand complaint was resolved and by who.
10:49:43 And any communications it had with the customer.
10:49:47 Recommendation five, deals with customer complaints.
10:49:56 Are not always addressed and resolved in a timely manner.
10:50:01 What we looked at as a standard in consultation with solid
10:50:05 waste, they would be addressed within two days and resolved
10:50:07 within ten days.
10:50:08 And we found that was not happening, in all cases.
10:50:12 Our recommendations is that solid waste residential
10:50:17 management should review its current process of quality
10:50:20 control and customer service and enhance the followup
10:50:24 process to help ensure timely year resolution.
10:50:31 Timelier resolution.
10:50:32 Time line need to be added to policy and procedures document
10:50:39 and communicated to staff.
10:50:40 Item six.
10:50:46 Overtime is not always approved in accordance with city
10:50:52 policies and procedures.
10:50:53 And what we're talking about is approving overtime in
10:50:57 advance and then using the proper forms, city forms to
10:51:01 record overtime.
10:51:02 Our recommendations are that solid waste management review
10:51:05 the policy and positive procedures with their staff and
10:51:08 management, including the required forms that are needed to
10:51:11 be completed for overtime.
10:51:13 That all staff and management should submit a written
10:51:16 acknowledgment they have read and understand these
10:51:20 And then finally, overtime documentation should be spot
10:51:25 audited by residential management to ensure compliance with
10:51:28 these policies and procedures.
10:51:29 And then last but not least, time keeping.
10:51:39 We learned that solid waste uses, and I'll call it a
10:51:43 state-of-the-art, a swiping system where people swipe a card
10:51:47 that records their time.
10:51:50 And it records it into a system.
10:51:52 And they use this swipe card system to be able to get better
10:51:56 time reports on their staff and where they're working and
10:51:59 what they're accomplishing.
10:52:00 It's a great idea.
10:52:02 However, the same employees have to again fill out paper
10:52:06 time documentation because this swiping system doesn't talk
10:52:09 to the city's payroll system.
10:52:12 So we have to do it twice.
10:52:13 And our explorations have indicated it wouldn't be very
10:52:18 costly at all to develop a system that could integrate these
10:52:23 And then that way, the employees would only have to record
10:52:26 their time once, using the more efficient card swiping tool.
10:52:29 And our recommendation is to consult with I.T. and human
10:52:35 resources to evaluate the benefit of the current swipe card
10:52:39 system where the entire payroll process for solid waste in
10:52:43 order to maximize efficiency in the payroll process and
10:52:46 reduce costs.
10:52:47 And next, I think Tonja is going to come up and give you an
10:52:58 item by item status where she is on each of these.
10:53:01 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you, Mr. Strout.
10:53:02 Appreciate it.
10:53:26 >> I want to give you all a hard copy of the matrix that we
10:53:30 provided, again, Tonja Brickhouse, department of solid
10:53:33 waste, environment program management.
10:53:35 While we are getting those, what I want to do is just say
10:53:38 that a number of the things -- first of all, the audit
10:53:42 confirms some things that I thought that needed to be
10:53:49 The other thing is that the audit results have helped us in
10:53:55 doing some things with pursuing some actions that needed to
10:53:59 be done to actually move them up.
10:54:03 Little quickly, little more quickly than had been done in
10:54:06 the past.
10:54:08 What you should be having in front of you is a matrix that
10:54:11 basically takes each one of the items that Roger Strout just
10:54:15 went through, and identified.
10:54:17 You see tissue, you see the recommendation.
10:54:19 And what I want to really focus you on is the status and the
10:54:23 update columns, because I want to make sure you know where
10:54:26 we are with that.
10:54:27 If you look at number one, you see that the customer service
10:54:31 center and MSS reports do not provide information in a
10:54:34 useful format.
10:54:36 And you look at the recommendations, work with T and I to
10:54:39 modify the current reports and also provide continuous
10:54:43 We have consulted T and I as it relates to, and you heard
10:54:49 Roger say the recommendation was some type of interface
10:54:52 between the customer service center and the MSS system.
10:54:57 I will tell you that the actions are ongoing.
10:55:02 As it relates to those systems.
10:55:04 I will also tell you that anything that we can do in terms
10:55:07 of massaging and working with the current construct with the
10:55:12 two systems, we have done.
10:55:13 And so, but the work in solid waste and T and I are ongoing,
10:55:19 that has not been completed yet.
10:55:20 I also want to say that, as you see, we have got a target in
10:55:25 the spreadsheet.
10:55:27 And that is October 2012, we hope to have the project
10:55:30 complete with T and I.
10:55:33 So we have a few more months before we realize the benefit
10:55:36 of hopefully having these reports to be standardized.
10:55:40 The second item, as it relates to vehicle inspection reports
10:55:45 and inconsistency, and completion of them by the drivers,
10:55:50 clearly that is something that you have to do when you have
10:55:53 a huge logistic operation such as solid waste.
10:55:57 So, we have, one of the things that has been done in this
10:56:01 timeframe is, we had a training and safety specialist added
10:56:05 to our team.
10:56:07 We also added additional fleet mechanic to our team.
10:56:13 To help us with this effort in terms of training people on
10:56:17 proper pre and post inspections.
10:56:19 But the real issue that we're working here is centralizing
10:56:25 And so now what we have got is, we have got all of our
10:56:29 drivers coming to the same check-in, check-out point.
10:56:34 And part of the process with centralized dispatch is,
10:56:37 there's an accountability where you have to go through, have
10:56:41 you done your pre and post inspections?
10:56:43 You look at the forms, you go through the sign-in process.
10:56:47 There's also a visual piece as in supervisors monitoring the
10:56:51 flow of the vehicles coming in.
10:56:53 There's a process we do when they come back, before they go
10:56:56 out, they're supposed to pre-trip their vehicle and identify
10:57:00 But also coming in, they have to post-trip the vehicle.
10:57:05 And so what we do is, they have a process where they come
10:57:08 back, they've got to go do the field, go do the wash rack to
10:57:13 clean everything out to get it ready for the next day.
10:57:16 And after that process is done, when think get in a parking
10:57:20 spot, they do an entire post-trip inspection.
10:57:22 Now we have added the additional piece, accountability
10:57:26 piece, where now you come into a window, not just leaving
10:57:29 your vehicle and turning into a piece of paper, but you're
10:57:32 actually having to post route discussion with somebody in
10:57:37 centralized dispatch.
10:57:39 The other piece that we're adding though is in most trucking
10:57:44 tries, you have what's called a vehicle condition report
10:57:48 That stays with the vehicle, but you bring pieces, copies of
10:57:52 the report out.
10:57:55 We are going to implement that process and in the process of
10:57:58 changing our pre and post trip forms, consolidating some of
10:58:01 the forms to make it easier for the drivers.
10:58:03 And then in June of 2012, we expect to fully implement the
10:58:07 vehicle condition report booklet for every vehicle in the
10:58:12 The discussion about workflow analysis and management and
10:58:18 the looking at doing something with our system.
10:58:22 I am pleased to report that is in progress and right now, we
10:58:26 have an RFP out on the street for implementation of a GPS
10:58:31 system with full route optimization capability.
10:58:34 And reporting.
10:58:35 So, the evaluation is under process.
10:58:38 I hope that that will be completed in the next three to six
10:58:42 And we will move on to having a system that you can
10:58:46 real-time, reroute.
10:58:48 You can locate.
10:58:49 You can optimize routes, if a street is down, you can make
10:58:53 the adjustments almost instantaneously.
10:58:56 But that process is currently being evaluated through the
10:58:59 RFP process.
10:59:00 Customer service documentation, number four, not always
10:59:06 concise or complete.
10:59:08 Resolutions were rarely noted in CSC.
10:59:12 We have assigned, one. Recommendations was assign an
10:59:17 individual to reconcile the information.
10:59:19 That part is complete.
10:59:20 The quality control manager use what's called a crystal
10:59:26 reports to obtain metrics of evaluation and trends and
10:59:28 engage any concerns.
10:59:31 The other part about recording complaints and remarks on
10:59:33 customer accounts, that is also complete.
10:59:38 We had changes to MSS to help make the entry of remarks
10:59:43 easier and the information from CSC.
10:59:47 We did that back in October of 2011.
10:59:50 That was completed.
10:59:51 The thing that I would add here too though is again, an
10:59:55 interface between those two systems so when something is
10:59:59 updated one place, that it automatically will feed into the
11:00:03 other, is also going to be beneficial.
11:00:05 The fifth item, customer complaints were not always
11:00:10 addressed and resolved in a timely manner.
11:00:13 Again, I refer back to the crystal report.
11:00:17 And again, that process has been implemented and quality
11:00:22 control and customer service do the performance.
11:00:26 The other thing I want to say is that the standards for
11:00:29 completing the responses, 48 hours is when the supervisor is
11:00:35 required to have that updated in the system.
11:00:37 The quality control division does a weekly review to see
11:00:42 where we are and address those supervisors, address the
11:00:48 managers and the supervisors that may be falling behind.
11:00:50 And the other check point is, monthly, I do a review of our
11:00:56 progress in this area, and our monthly metrics meeting,
11:00:59 where we're looking at how we're dealing with customer
11:01:02 service delivery.
11:01:03 And this is one of the metrics that we look at.
11:01:05 We also, in terms of getting more accountability in the
11:01:10 process, issued a policy memorandum to reinforce again the
11:01:17 policy and also make people more accountable.
11:01:21 Understanding what their role is in that.
11:01:23 If you flip to the second page, we have got the overtime.
11:01:28 Overtime is not always approved in accordance with city
11:01:32 policies and procedures.
11:01:33 And so we have done a 100% review of the policies and
11:01:40 With not only the supervisors, but employees as well, to
11:01:43 make sure that we clarified anything that needed to be
11:01:47 Again, another policy memo was introduced.
11:01:50 Keep in mind that the policy, both in the city personnel
11:01:54 policy and also in the solid waste policies and procedures
11:01:58 manual, it's there.
11:01:59 So that's the reemphasis with the policy memo.
11:02:03 The second recommendation they had was staff and management
11:02:07 should submit written acknowledgment that they received and
11:02:11 understood the policies.
11:02:12 Again, employees have all of the policies.
11:02:16 We issued all of that to each employee.
11:02:18 And when new employees come in, part of the new employee
11:02:22 orientation process is to implement that and have that as
11:02:25 part of the new employee signing and accepting that when
11:02:30 they come to the department.
11:02:31 The third thing that was a recommendation was overtime
11:02:36 documentation should be randomly audited by management for
11:02:40 compliance at periodical intervals during the year.
11:02:45 Again, that is complete.
11:02:46 We regularly review, and when I say regularly, this is a
11:02:51 weekly discussion.
11:02:54 To look at how we're doing with leaves and how we're doing
11:02:58 with managing overtime.
11:03:00 But a lot of the challenges with the solid waste and the
11:03:03 dynamic with solid waste as it relates to overtime is, you
11:03:06 have equipment go down.
11:03:08 You have personnel out.
11:03:10 You have some significant event that impacts.
11:03:13 And so the day gets extended unexpectedly.
11:03:16 And so the process then would be verbal approval and making
11:03:20 sure that even if it's an e-mail or something like that, so
11:03:23 that we can follow-up with making sure that we get the city
11:03:26 forms and stuff completed.
11:03:27 And the city form does allow verbal approval.
11:03:30 But we want to make sure that we don't miss any steps in
11:03:33 that regard because you have a lot of dynamics going on.
11:03:35 Again, Roger alluded to the fact that we have, and I'm
11:03:39 pleased to report that we have significantly reduced
11:03:43 overtime in solid waste, but we will continue to manage that
11:03:47 with the fine tooth comb.
11:03:50 The last item that he talked about, and I probably don't
11:03:53 need to add anything here, was the time keeping swipe
11:03:59 To give you a visual of what it means is, we capture all of
11:04:03 that 100% use of our swipe system in the department.
11:04:09 But then we have the manual process of bringing the time
11:04:16 card down to go through the process and manual process of
11:04:19 doing that.
11:04:20 Would be wonderful to take that accurate information and
11:04:23 then input into it the payroll system.
11:04:25 So that's something we have to follow up with T and I and HR
11:04:29 as it relates to that.
11:04:31 But from a solid waste perspective, not much we can do
11:04:35 except to see if there is a way to get something.
11:04:37 There's so much technology out there to do interfaces, that
11:04:41 might be we can find a solution to that.
11:04:43 But overall, I will tell you that the audit generated and
11:04:50 simulated and highlighted some things that one, we may have
11:04:54 known that needed to be done and confirmed them, or two
11:04:57 highlighted some things and that need to be done or needed
11:05:01 to be done, and we're implementing them.
11:05:03 One of the things that I will say, any opportunity to
11:05:06 improve the operations, to make it more efficient, to make
11:05:10 them more effective, that is what under my leadership we
11:05:15 have been doing in the department of solid waste.
11:05:17 And we will continue to do that.
11:05:20 I'm going to stop talking and at this point, entertain any
11:05:25 questions that you might have.
11:05:26 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Councilmember Suarez, then Councilmember
11:05:30 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you Ms. Brickhouse for answering
11:05:34 specific questions that were in the audit.
11:05:36 We really appreciate when specific information is given back
11:05:38 to us when specific recommendations are given.
11:05:41 So thank you very much for this.
11:05:42 I have a couple questions.
11:05:44 And I'm going to be unfair to you.
11:05:46 Because T and I is mentioned a lot in here and I know you're
11:05:49 not from T and I and a lot of these issues have to do with
11:05:53 our old systems.
11:05:54 And I'm going to ask you a question that probably you can't
11:05:57 answer, but I'm going to ask it anyway.
11:05:59 Is, you know, we have our new ERB program coming up.
11:06:04 I noticed you have an RFP out for the implementation of GPS.
11:06:07 Is not GPS part of some of the that ERB?
11:06:10 Or is that just another module?
11:06:13 Or do you know anything about that?
11:06:14 >> No, the GPS was not -- in fact, let me share a little bit
11:06:19 about that we had, oh, I want to say about two or three
11:06:23 years ago, not long after I got here, an EETF that was
11:06:28 focused on city-wide implementation of GPS.
11:06:32 The short answer is no, it's not part of the ERB, but it's a
11:06:38 result of a city-wide effectiveness and efficiency task
11:06:43 Out of that we took seven departments, so not just solid
11:06:47 waste with the GPS, but about seven departments involved in
11:06:51 the city wide initiative.
11:06:52 So it's not a part of ERB but yes, it has a city-wide
11:06:57 Not just going to be beneficial to solid waste.
11:06:59 Suarez SARS because I've seen some of the tracking that they
11:07:01 do with vehicles, with the system, and you know, it has a
11:07:06 lot to be desired.
11:07:07 But it's there.
11:07:09 In some parts of the city.
11:07:11 Have we looked at piggybacking with any contracts that the
11:07:15 county might already have in place with GPS?
11:07:18 The reason I'm asking is because, as a member of the HART
11:07:20 board, I've discovered that the sunshine line, which is a
11:07:26 system for disabled individuals in Hillsborough County, has
11:07:30 a system already in place for GPS tracking of vehicles.
11:07:34 And I wasn't sure if that's something that could be
11:07:38 piggybacked or not.
11:07:39 I don't know if that had been looked into.
11:07:41 I wanted to ask that question.
11:07:43 >> I want to say that over the two year process we
11:07:45 considered everything, and ultimately ended up doing the RFP
11:07:50 process to make sure that we met the needs of the city, the
11:07:55 different city departments.
11:07:56 So I'm not for sure.
11:07:58 I can check and verify that.
11:08:00 But I'm not sure whether the county system was considered,
11:08:03 but I will say that all of the requirements that all the
11:08:07 departments needed to do, I don't think there was a system
11:08:10 out there that can meet all the departments' needs.
11:08:14 So we decided to go the RFP route.
11:08:17 >>MIKE SUAREZ: On the recommendation for number two vehicle
11:08:19 inspection reports, do we have any kind of incentives or
11:08:22 disincentives for people who do not fill out these
11:08:25 particular reports?
11:08:26 You know, i.e., you know, in terms of somebody that fills
11:08:31 them out perfectly all the time, there's some kind of
11:08:34 inceptive for that, whether it's -- I know we can't do a lot
11:08:38 of rewards.
11:08:39 But nonetheless, we do have a firefighter of the quarter.
11:08:43 We have a police man of the month.
11:08:47 We may want to look into some kind of incentive for that.
11:08:50 I don't want to step on your management side, which is, you
11:08:53 probably have already thought of this, but you probably
11:08:56 haven't implemented it yet or maybe you have and I don't
11:08:58 know about it.
11:09:00 >> Employee recognition is something that I just love.
11:09:02 I believe that you have to balance, you know, you have an
11:09:05 accountability piece, but you got to use positive
11:09:08 reinforcement for good behaviors.
11:09:11 What I will tell you is that we considered the pre and post
11:09:15 trip inspections as part of the safety program.
11:09:19 And so, we do have quarterly recognition and we do have the
11:09:25 safe driver of the quarter and then we do also give out
11:09:29 annual packets for people that have taken all of the things
11:09:34 related to safety, including the pre and post trips.
11:09:37 So, to answer your question, we do have an incentive
11:09:40 program, but not specifically on just pre and post, but for
11:09:44 safety in general.
11:09:45 Which includes that.
11:09:46 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Okay.
11:09:47 Also, and this goes back to the question I asked about
11:09:52 incentives and disincentives, on number four, customer
11:09:56 service documentation.
11:09:59 One of the things that obviously, customer service
11:10:01 documentation, if we don't know we have completed something,
11:10:03 it doesn't really matter any more.
11:10:05 You know, the client is much more important.
11:10:07 Our customers are much more important, so that we understand
11:10:10 that we are following up.
11:10:12 The biggest issue that we have in any business, let alone
11:10:15 government, is making sure that we are fulfilling the needs
11:10:19 of avenue and every customer.
11:10:21 Are there, on that side of the house, are there any
11:10:24 incentives and disincentives concerning fulfilling
11:10:28 documentation on customer service documents?
11:10:33 >> The answer to that is yes.
11:10:34 As part of our employee recognition program, the department
11:10:37 employee recognition program, we have quality control award.
11:10:41 We have the shining star award.
11:10:47 We have several different categories because you can't just
11:10:50 do one.
11:10:51 If you want to incentivize customer service, you have to
11:10:54 have more than one touch point.
11:10:55 But to answer your question, yes, that's part of employee
11:10:58 recognition as well.
11:10:58 The other thing too is, we also, not just on an individual
11:11:02 basis, but in terms of customer service, one of the things
11:11:05 that we look at in the monthly metrics update is by
11:11:10 supervisor, by team.
11:11:11 How we're doing in responsiveness.
11:11:14 What were the complaint levels?
11:11:15 What was the timeliness in closing the complaint?
11:11:18 Because we have got a human, I mean, there's touch points.
11:11:21 So we're going to get some complaints, but how do we handle
11:11:24 it? Did it get escalated? Did we get it right the first
11:11:28 You know, those kind of things.
11:11:29 So there are team competitions too to look at who can get it
11:11:33 right with minimal complaints, but also who can also respond
11:11:38 and get it corrected the first time?
11:11:40 So that's incentivized as well.
11:11:44 >>MIKE SUAREZ: My last question, and thank you, chair for
11:11:46 indulging me on this I know the overtime issues, have you
11:11:51 looked at, and again, we're talking about verbal commands to
11:11:54 go ahead and continue a route or continue to be on the job.
11:12:00 Are we talking primarily of vehicles that are out and
11:12:05 delivering service?
11:12:06 Or are we talking primarily those that are back at, let's
11:12:11 say at the waste energy plant, any other place that they may
11:12:15 be -- where did you see most of the problem in terms of some
11:12:20 of these overtime recommendations that Mr. Strout gave us?
11:12:24 >> The thing that drives the overtime in the department of
11:12:28 solid waste most is equipment, and personnel.
11:12:35 >>MIKE SUAREZ: So equipment being out?
11:12:37 >> Being equipment shortages and personnel.
11:12:40 >>MIKE SUAREZ: If I could just interrupt.
11:12:41 So that GPS system is going to come into play in terms of
11:12:44 knowing where an employee is in terms of checking on
11:12:49 I didn't want you to get too much of a discussion of that,
11:12:53 because I know that I'm kind of thinking your way, I hope.
11:12:57 That you're tracking as much as you can the equipment that
11:13:01 goes out, and that employee that has taken that equipment
11:13:04 out, both for the pre and post for safety reasons, but also
11:13:09 to make sure that they're out there doing their job.
11:13:11 >> Yes, exactly.
11:13:12 The other thing I wanted to add on the overtime issue too
11:13:15 is, one of the things that I'm trying to look at is match
11:13:19 also when it comes to, we're going to address the equipment
11:13:23 issue because now we have a vehicle replacement plan.
11:13:26 And so we can start getting some of the old vehicles out of
11:13:29 the fleet and be more systematic about how you deal with
11:13:33 managing that you deal with the pre and post trip and the
11:13:36 care of the vehicles, but you also have to make sure you do
11:13:39 the capital investment and system malt tick approach to
11:13:42 doing that.
11:13:42 So those things are in place.
11:13:43 The other thing that I like to itself mention though is, you
11:13:47 do, if you manage overtime also from a seniority
11:13:52 perspective, you got to look at the other things that go
11:13:56 into the overtime to help manage the overtime.
11:14:00 You get a more senior person, and you got a bunch of hours,
11:14:04 that's more money.
11:14:05 If you make sure you spread it out, so there's a way to
11:14:07 manage it more appropriately as well.
11:14:11 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you, Ms. Brickhouse.
11:14:13 Thank you, Chair.
11:14:15 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Thank you, Mr. Chair.
11:14:16 Ms. Brickhouse, I know this is quite extensive and the audit
11:14:22 was extensive and it was in September of '11.
11:14:25 When I went through the audit, I noticed on each one of
11:14:28 these seven items, there was an estimated completion date.
11:14:34 For instance, the first one was November 30th of '11.
11:14:37 And we're looking October 2012.
11:14:39 The second one was January 2012 and we're looking at June of
11:14:45 The third one was January 2012, the fourth one was
11:14:50 January 2012.
11:14:52 The fifth one was ongoing September 2011.
11:14:56 And then the sixth one was estimated, it's ongoing since
11:15:03 September 2011.
11:15:05 And that's still in work.
11:15:07 And then estimated time for the seventh, time keeping was
11:15:16 So, we're looking at approximately anywhere from three
11:15:23 months to six months down the road on these.
11:15:29 I just wanted to know the reasoning behind it was one.
11:15:33 But you can answer that after -- I'm going to go to the
11:15:40 Because that intrigued me on the audit.
11:15:44 It's difficult to track it, but how do we monitor and verify
11:15:52 And then do we have stand-by?
11:15:58 For instance, an unexpected absence, and do we subcontract?
11:16:05 >> Okay.
11:16:05 The first thing, how we monitor overtime.
11:16:08 HR produces a report every month in every department, sends
11:16:14 us the monthly report that we get.
11:16:16 So that's a monthly report that we get from HR.
11:16:18 The other part is internally, we keep track as you're doing
11:16:23 payroll every week and that kind of stuff, the timecards.
11:16:26 So there's a way to keep track that way.
11:16:29 But monthly there's an aggregate report I get on overtime
11:16:33 and also comp time.
11:16:34 Because all of it is, you know, overtime.
11:16:36 So that's the first question on how do we monitor it.
11:16:41 The second question was --
11:16:44 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Verify.
11:16:45 How is it verified?
11:16:46 >> It's verified, there's a form that's, that we have to
11:16:50 complete -- the thing that helps us the most is, we have our
11:16:55 time keeping system.
11:16:56 The automated system, so you swipe in and out.
11:17:00 You got real data on when people were there.
11:17:04 But then the, there's a form that you have to fill out,
11:17:07 standard form across the city, and so the checks and
11:17:10 balances of when you complete.
11:17:13 Ideally, the form is completed before the overtime is done.
11:17:17 And in most cases that's what happens.
11:17:19 But the example that I use, especially in the case of
11:17:23 residential, is if that is not done, then you have the
11:17:27 verbal process and then you still have to complete the form.
11:17:31 And that form comes up to be signed up at the executive team
11:17:38 So there are checks and balances as well as a review process
11:17:41 as well.
11:17:42 >>YVONNE CAPIN: And do we have -- for instance, unexpected
11:17:44 absences, do we subcontract?
11:17:48 >> We use predominantly a temp labor and I think a lot of
11:17:54 departments use temp labor if they have some shortage.
11:18:01 MP solutions has been the service.
11:18:03 That's the contract with the city.
11:18:06 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Is that monitored and verified how?
11:18:10 >> Through our normal process.
11:18:11 We have invoices that we do.
11:18:13 We keep -- we have a process of how we monitor that.
11:18:18 But there's a system malt tick approach any time you do
11:18:21 anything with a contractor in the city.
11:18:24 >>YVONNE CAPIN: So if you ask for one day, then you are, we
11:18:27 are billed for one day?
11:18:28 >> Correct.
11:18:29 >> And that's --
11:18:31 >> The invoice comes in we have got a verification process
11:18:34 where we reconcile the invoice.
11:18:36 Once that's reconciled, then we process it for payment.
11:18:40 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Okay.
11:18:42 Thank you.
11:18:42 The other thing, I'm going to go to your letter to us as
11:18:49 City Council, and where the study was to determine actual
11:18:54 citizen participation.
11:18:56 >> The recycling study?
11:18:58 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Yes, ma'am.
11:18:59 And we found that it was 33% city-wide.
11:19:03 And to help with future recycling initiatives.
11:19:09 And when -- for the department to aggressively pursue
11:19:15 initiatives, what initiatives are we looking at, if any yet
11:19:20 to pursue?
11:19:21 >> I should've listed those in a letter, and I didn't bring
11:19:24 that with me today because I thought this was about the
11:19:27 But what I'll tell you is, I'm going to give from you my
11:19:32 Several things.
11:19:33 One, when you look at participation rate, you got to look at
11:19:38 what's the right recycling vehicle?
11:19:44 So it might be a recycling center in a neighborhood.
11:19:47 It might mean two recycling center this is the neighborhood,
11:19:50 so it could be, we're looking at locations like city-owned
11:19:54 facilities, parks and rec, for example, different parks.
11:19:57 We're looking at possibly partnering with Publix, sweet bay,
11:20:02 Walmart, so we're looking at those kinds of places in terms
11:20:05 of recycling centers.
11:20:08 Where it makes sense.
11:20:09 The other thing that we're doing, where it also makes sense
11:20:13 to begin to cart, so to issue 55-gallon carts to, for
11:20:18 example, pick the area that's got 55% participation rate.
11:20:22 Well above the 33%.
11:20:24 So you figure out what's the line of demarcation to decide
11:20:28 What's the right percentage to go and pursue carting?
11:20:31 The other thing too, when you've got low participation
11:20:34 rates, we can be more focused on reaching out to those
11:20:40 specific neighborhoods associations in that area.
11:20:43 So that if we go to recycling center in an area, we also
11:20:47 will do a heavier education campaign in the area to
11:20:52 hopefully help with the participation.
11:20:54 The other part of our GPS is going to help the recycling
11:20:58 program is, we can also really look hard about how we
11:21:02 How we adjust our recycling route real-time.
11:21:05 The other thing that I added, I'm adding some other stuff in
11:21:09 As we introduce RFID technology into our carts and into our
11:21:15 collection boxes, then we have the opportunity to really get
11:21:20 an automated way of how many times something was serviced.
11:21:23 So there are some other things that will help with the
11:21:26 The other thing that I mentioned I thought in the letter was
11:21:30 looking at our agreement and seeing if we can get a better
11:21:34 tool in place for getting a more return from the commodities
11:21:38 So looking at that as well.
11:21:40 You mentioned a couple of times about San Antonio.
11:21:43 So when we looked at the San Antonio, they've got carted
11:21:48 recycling but not a whole lot different in the operational
11:21:51 The difference was in the agreement that they had in place,
11:21:55 the instrument for getting more revenue from the recycled
11:21:59 So it's a number of things that we're going to do as it
11:22:02 relates to strategically get the city of Tampa recycling
11:22:07 program to hopefully eventually be self-sustaining.
11:22:11 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Okay.
11:22:12 And since again, this letter was sent to us from your office
11:22:15 and then there was a newspaper article, so I'm going to
11:22:18 follow up one more, I think it's one more.
11:22:21 When we look at overall recycling rate as opposed to
11:22:25 participation rate, when we recycle materials in tonnage,
11:22:30 and that are diverted from waste stream re-use, is that --
11:22:37 what I want to know is that -- that one sentence, and here
11:22:42 it is in the newspaper, because McKay Bay refuse energy
11:22:45 facility, Tampa now meets the mark for the 2020 recycling,
11:22:52 of 75% that the state has mandated.
11:22:55 And then what I want to know, and then in the audit, we do
11:23:02 330,000-tons of refuse.
11:23:07 Is that 330,000-tons going into making electricity or is
11:23:12 that before -- that's after, after the extraction of the
11:23:18 >> Let me separate it for you.
11:23:20 The recyclables do not go to McKay Bay.
11:23:24 We use two processes.
11:23:27 We use rock ten and we use waste management recycle America.
11:23:31 So any recycled material that's collected does not go to
11:23:35 McKay Bay.
11:23:35 So the 330,000-tons that you're speaking of are household
11:23:41 garbage that's being, going to the waste to energy facility
11:23:45 to generate --
11:23:47 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Thank you for clarifying.
11:23:48 >> The annual 160,000-kilowatt hours.
11:23:53 >>YVONNE CAPIN: And do we meet all the tonnage that is
11:23:59 required at McKay Bay?
11:24:01 Do we meet that with that garbage?
11:24:04 Do we have to pay?
11:24:05 >> The answer is yes --
11:24:08 >>YVONNE CAPIN: We never pay.
11:24:09 >> McKay Bay can go up to 360-tons.
11:24:12 We have a line of about 260 as the baseline of where we
11:24:15 don't want to go below.
11:24:17 When we do the cost benefit and all that stuff.
11:24:20 And so yes.
11:24:22 >>YVONNE CAPIN: So we keep it to -- we have not had to pay?
11:24:25 >> No.
11:24:26 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Thank you.
11:24:26 >> The other thing you were alluding to when you talked
11:24:28 about the recycling rate.
11:24:30 The renewable energy count.
11:24:32 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Yes.
11:24:33 >> For the overall.
11:24:34 Energy generated at the waste to energy facility.
11:24:36 >>YVONNE CAPIN: That's way asked that question, I call it
11:24:39 330 tons, but I wasn't clear if that was pure garbage going,
11:24:44 waste going into the incinerator.
11:24:47 Thank you for your time.
11:24:48 Appreciate it.
11:24:48 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have Mr. Reddick, then Ms. Montelione.
11:24:52 >>FRANK REDDICK: Thank you, Mr. Chair.
11:24:53 I was not going to raising the question because my question
11:24:56 was about the recycling.
11:24:57 But I saw where you're going to be here talking about the
11:25:01 Ms. Capin just opened up the door when she brought up about
11:25:06 And I just want to ask you one question, and that is, the
11:25:10 news story I read, I saw where I believe in East Tampa,
11:25:16 based on the study you all have done, had the lowest
11:25:19 percentage of recycling in any parts of the city.
11:25:22 And I think one area is Highland Pines and I think Jackson
11:25:26 Heights areas.
11:25:28 And I'm just going to ask you this.
11:25:30 Are you working on through the neighborhood association or
11:25:35 are you working on the effort to try to increase that, the
11:25:39 recycling in those areas?
11:25:40 >> That's part of the plan of how we address the recycling,
11:25:45 part of strategic planning.
11:25:47 With the accurate data from the participation study, now we
11:25:51 can customize how we approach different areas.
11:25:55 And so clearly where we have low participation, it requires
11:25:58 some more education, it requires some more massaging.
11:26:02 I'm hoping -- I know, I think it's neighborhood leadership
11:26:05 university, I think that's the new initiative that Mayor
11:26:07 Buckhorn has.
11:26:09 Part of that will given us an unto to engage those
11:26:13 neighborhood leaders, block captains and all that stuff to
11:26:16 help -- I don't want to say incentivize, because we have
11:26:21 already done the pilot to demonstrate, if you incentivize,
11:26:25 you will increase, but to help the community get more
11:26:29 engaged in helping us move along and recycling
11:26:32 But the answer to your question is yes.
11:26:34 >>FRANK REDDICK: And let me just thank one of your staff
11:26:40 Doretha Matthews, for coming to the front to solve the
11:26:47 problem in my district.
11:26:49 And she did a wonderful job in doing this.
11:26:52 So I want to commend her and commend your staff for doing
11:26:54 >> I will make sure she -- I've given it to her once, but
11:26:58 I'll give it to her twice.
11:27:00 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Let me just say we have about 38 minutes
11:27:03 before noon.
11:27:03 And we have two items left.
11:27:08 Ms. Montelione?
11:27:12 >>LISA MONTELIONE: --
11:27:13 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I didn't say that.
11:27:14 [ Laughter ]
11:27:15 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: You have 38 minutes.
11:27:18 We Will be coming back.
11:27:20 >>LISA MONTELIONE: We can start fresh with the next item.
11:27:22 We are here to discuss the audit.
11:27:26 There are actually two audits, so we discussed the
11:27:30 presentation that Mr. Strout gave and the follow-up you gave
11:27:34 Ms. Brickhouse, was regarding one. Audits, which was the
11:27:39 residential division, residential operations audit number
11:27:44 But there's also another audit solid waste environmental
11:27:47 program management compactor and roll-off containers audit
11:27:52 And Mr. Reddick, with the recycling questions, those were
11:27:55 more in addressed in that audit, I believe, 1106 audit,
11:28:01 rather than the one that we saw the presentation on.
11:28:04 So, I was under the impression we were going to discuss both
11:28:07 of those audits.
11:28:09 So my questions and my, my interest is more in the compactor
11:28:15 and roll-off audit.
11:28:16 So I'm not sure if you're prepared to talk about those
11:28:21 issues as well today.
11:28:22 But I did ask, because I'm not an expert in the field,
11:28:27 although a lot of people, you know, know that I am the
11:28:30 recycling queen of the office.
11:28:33 My company has won the 2011, awarded the there U.S. earth
11:28:38 charter award and environment and sustainability, is the
11:28:41 focus of one of my workshops on May 24th.
11:28:44 So roughly a month from now, we will have the opportunity to
11:28:47 discuss more in-depth recycling, greenhouse gas emissions,
11:28:51 sustainability and policy at that time.
11:28:55 I did ask a friend who I met through the earth charter
11:29:00 organization to take a look at the audit and to give me an
11:29:06 opinion and review of what questions should be asked and
11:29:10 what we should be looking at.
11:29:13 And a lot of what came back, and she's here, Janet Harrison
11:29:18 from Eco Assets Solutions and also a member of the U.S.
11:29:21 Earth Charter organization, is here today.
11:29:25 So I might ask her to clarify some of the questions that she
11:29:28 came up with.
11:29:29 But in speaking of revenue, which your department is sorely
11:29:34 in need of, and trying to help increase the revenue through
11:29:38 solid waste and not only in the recycling, but in regular
11:29:42 collections, do -- we were looking at the commodity dollar
11:29:48 amounts and who benefits from the sales of the commodities,
11:29:54 the recyclables in other words, cardboard and those kinds of
11:29:59 items that return revenue to the person or the entity
11:30:07 that -- I'm looking for the word -- that redeems those
11:30:12 commodities in the market.
11:30:13 So, how are those commodities handled, whether it be through
11:30:20 solid waste or recycling program?
11:30:23 >> I think your question is --
11:30:27 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Wasn't very clear?
11:30:28 >> Want to make sure I'm clear.
11:30:30 How is the city getting resources from the recyclables, is
11:30:33 that what you're asking?
11:30:36 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Yes.
11:30:36 >> We have an agreement with both, the processors, we have
11:30:39 an agreement with waste management, recycle America and rock
11:30:44 10 that then, as the different commodities are sold, there's
11:30:52 a blended value rate that comes out of the process.
11:30:55 And then based on that, then there's, in the contract,
11:30:59 there's a specific split as city gets this amount, the
11:31:04 processor gets that amount.
11:31:06 I will tell you that the good news is that because of the
11:31:12 turn in the commodities market, the city has gotten money
11:31:17 back from the sale of recyclables for several quarters now.
11:31:21 When I first got here, it had taken a dive and it was not
11:31:27 netting anything for us.
11:31:29 But he --
11:31:31 >>LISA MONTELIONE: So there's revenue sharing?
11:31:33 >> Yes.
11:31:34 But it continues -- there are still opportunities to maybe
11:31:38 get more from that process.
11:31:40 And that's why I said I'm looking at San Antonio's agreement
11:31:44 and some other cities with similar programs to see what we
11:31:48 can glean and how we can improve ours.
11:31:53 >>LISA MONTELIONE: And how are those revenues, are they
11:31:57 captured back into your budget in solid waste.
11:31:59 >> Yes.
11:32:01 >>LISA MONTELIONE: So they don't go back into the general
11:32:04 >> They come back into the solid waste budget and they serve
11:32:07 to offset the entire recycling program.
11:32:09 So, for example, when we were going through the budget
11:32:12 discussion and we talked about how much the recycling costs
11:32:16 the city that is knelt after everything that we get back.
11:32:22 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Okay.
11:32:22 So that was just the preliminary questions that I had
11:32:28 related to the programs in this format during this
11:32:34 discussion on the audit, so most of the material, and you've
11:32:39 been invited back as you know for the may 24th policy
11:32:44 discussion on sustainability, to talk about what
11:32:49 improvements can be made.
11:32:51 I've also invited several other experts in the field to come
11:32:54 and share their experiences.
11:32:56 I'm trying to get two other nationally known individuals to
11:32:59 come and share their experiences, their experience with us
11:33:05 for reducing our carbon footprint and for obtaining more
11:33:09 revenue from the commodities that we have, because as I've
11:33:15 learned in working in the sustainability field, it's a
11:33:20 really nice effort and policy to want to preserve our planet
11:33:27 and not contribute to the overall destruction of our
11:33:32 But it's more important to talk about how much money we save
11:33:39 and how much money we can earn from instituting those
11:33:44 policies and practices.
11:33:45 So, I'm hoping that solid waste will be a great beneficiary
11:33:49 of those policies that may be brought to us on the 24th.
11:33:55 Thank you.
11:33:55 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Ms. Capin?
11:33:57 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Thank you.
11:33:57 And I apologize because I missed three questions.
11:34:00 Want to be very quick.
11:34:01 Try to be very quickly.
11:34:03 I'm going to go back to the overtime, which was, do you ever
11:34:06 conduct an investigation to verify that the system is
11:34:11 For overtime?
11:34:12 And if not, maybe that's something that could be done.
11:34:17 >> Let me go back to saying that we have checks and balances
11:34:21 in place to manage it.
11:34:24 One of the things that I look at is trends.
11:34:26 And so when -- we get the monthly report from HR.
11:34:30 That is a monthly report by name of every employee that's
11:34:34 getting overtime.
11:34:35 That's one check and balance.
11:34:37 The other thing is, the management by supervisor, by the
11:34:43 So the metrics that we look at on a monthly basis also
11:34:46 address overtime.
11:34:47 So, there's a verification process and as we look -- the
11:34:52 combination of what we get from HR and what we do internally
11:34:55 helps to do the checks and balances.
11:34:58 >>YVONNE CAPIN: So, as far as you're concerned, the system
11:35:04 Number two, the residential curbside recycling participation
11:35:12 study is the first of its kind conducted for the City of
11:35:15 Tampa of recycling programs.
11:35:18 We have had this program since 2001, so in 10 years, this is
11:35:21 the first study?
11:35:23 >> First time.
11:35:24 That's the first accurate participation study where it was a
11:35:27 hundred percent comprehensive.
11:35:29 >>YVONNE CAPIN: So we have been losing money for 10 years on
11:35:33 That would be my conclusion on that.
11:35:36 >> I don't have the ten year information on whether we have
11:35:38 been losing money.
11:35:39 I can just attest to the participation rate that most
11:35:43 municipalities face, it's a challenge.
11:35:47 >>YVONNE CAPIN: When I made this motion, and it's not in the
11:35:49 motion and I'm going to go back and look at, because I
11:35:52 missed it.
11:35:53 I remember asking about, that we -- that bring forth a five
11:35:58 year, ten year, 20 year plan, if we have any.
11:36:04 >> For recycling or for solid waste in general?
11:36:07 >>YVONNE CAPIN: For solid waste in general.
11:36:08 >> I have a five year plan, I'll be more than glad --
11:36:12 >>YVONNE CAPIN: That was part of my motion when I asked for
11:36:14 Thank you very much for your time.
11:36:18 >> You're welcome.
11:36:19 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Any other Councilmembers who have not
11:36:21 spoke first?
11:36:22 Commissioner Strout -- Mr. Strout, of are you satisfied that
11:36:28 progress is being made in an orderly manner and time-wise
11:36:32 >> Yes, I believe and Ms. Brickhouse didn't mention this.
11:36:36 She's had some staffing challenges.
11:36:38 Her administrative chief retired and she hasn't filled that
11:36:42 A number of key positions that might have moved your
11:36:44 progress on a little quicker have occurred.
11:36:48 One of the things that we do, we continue to follow up on
11:36:51 any unimplemented items every six months to see if they've
11:36:56 made progress, so that -- these don't just go into the files
11:37:01 after this point in time.
11:37:03 We continue follow-up on all the time commitments they've
11:37:07 And if they have another issue that's preventing them from
11:37:10 meeting that time requirement, we ask for a new commitment.
11:37:14 So, we will continue to follow these up until they're
11:37:17 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much, as always, you done
11:37:19 an outstanding job.
11:37:20 This is a workshop.
11:37:22 The public, anyone care to speak on item number 7 at this
11:37:25 time for three minutes, you're certainly allowed to come
11:37:30 I see none.
11:37:33 We go to item number eight.
11:37:34 And then Council under new business and information, can do
11:37:38 what they want to do.
11:37:41 >> Thank you Councilmember, Catherine Coyle, planning
11:37:44 The item before you are the privately initiated amendments
11:37:50 for the January 2012 cycle.
11:37:52 I'll make reference in May, you'll be hearing the publicly
11:37:54 initiated text amendments.
11:37:56 We are processing them in two separate batches.
11:37:59 The publicly initiated amendments are much more
11:38:03 And so it's not bogged down publicly initiated ones, we're
11:38:07 processing them as a separate batch.
11:38:09 There are three amendments on file.
11:38:11 The first, they all are related to the central business
11:38:15 And the Channel District.
11:38:17 The first is dealing with the Channel District.
11:38:20 Mr. Brian Hammond actually made the request.
11:38:22 It is to amend section 27-454.
11:38:27 It is to establish that standard parking spaces within
11:38:31 parking structures are eight feet wide, 18 feet long with a
11:38:35 24-foot aisle.
11:38:37 That is the exact same standard that we adopted several
11:38:40 years ago in the central business district.
11:38:42 So he basically wants it mirrored where there are typically
11:38:46 structured garages as well.
11:38:48 We have no objection to that request.
11:38:50 It does seem fairly uniform across the two districts.
11:38:56 I'm not sure if he's here.
11:38:57 I would ask that Council make the motion if possible to
11:39:00 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I didn't hear the last part.
11:39:02 You're walking away from the mic.
11:39:03 >> I'm sorry.
11:39:04 Not sure if Mr. Hammonds is here.
11:39:06 I would mention that these, as privately initiated
11:39:09 amendments, they do need to be moved on to planning
11:39:12 commission as part of the process.
11:39:13 So I would ask that you transmit.
11:39:15 >> Move to transmit to Planning Commission.
11:39:17 >> Second.
11:39:19 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Have a motion by Mr. Cohen, I have a
11:39:21 second by Mr. Suarez.
11:39:22 All in favor of that motion, please indicate by saying aye.
11:39:24 Opposed nay.
11:39:25 Motion passes.
11:39:28 >> Thank you, Council.
11:39:29 The second amendment has been proposed by the University of
11:39:32 South Florida, dealing specifically with the central
11:39:38 business district, and the fencing regulation.
11:39:50 What I've handed you is the character district map, which
11:39:54 includes the fence zones.
11:39:55 The proposal around the USF CAMLS building here, is just
11:40:00 north of Brorein between Franklin and Florida.
11:40:03 They're requesting currently that parcel that lies within
11:40:07 the 1-A fence zone, which prohibits fences, they do have a
11:40:13 partial surface parking lot and for security purposes, they
11:40:16 are requesting they be included in fence zone two which does
11:40:19 permit Ornamental fences, which are more decorative.
11:40:24 My simple amendment request would be that the line actually
11:40:27 carries straight out as opposed to having one little bulge,
11:40:33 it makes it more even and follow it is street line.
11:40:35 This particular lot is currently a parking lot, which has
11:40:38 been rezoned recently for a development as well.
11:40:41 But we have no objections to that request.
11:40:45 And I believe they are here, would like to speak.
11:40:53 >> Good morning.
11:40:54 I'm Hillary black, associate general Council for USF.
11:40:58 As most of you are aware, the CAMLS property opened for
11:41:01 business on February 3rd.
11:41:02 We're currently up and running and training positions with
11:41:05 the latest technologies that are available.
11:41:08 We thank the city again for being such a wonderful partner
11:41:10 in that endeavor.
11:41:12 As Ms. Clara said, we're here today to request that our
11:41:16 property be included in zone two of the central business
11:41:19 district for the purposes of section 27-441.
11:41:24 USF is the owner of the CAMLS property.
11:41:27 We're requesting the change to allow for installation of a
11:41:30 screened fence for public safety and security reasons.
11:41:34 We have met with the Tampa Police Department, who agree and
11:41:37 have requested that we install this fence.
11:41:41 And today, I have with me Roger pestrack, the facilities
11:41:46 manager of the building as well as Joe Harrington the
11:41:49 project manager from Beck Group and we have renderings of
11:41:52 one option of the fence we are pursuing, if you so choose to
11:41:55 see it.
11:41:56 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
11:41:56 >> Be glad to answer any questions that you have.
11:41:59 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I was just joking with a counsel lore, I
11:42:01 don't know what JD Alexander may want to do.
11:42:06 [ Laughter ]
11:42:08 >> I think I will decline to comment on that.
11:42:12 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: All right.
11:42:13 Any other, anyone in the audience care to speak on this
11:42:17 subject matter? Council?
11:42:19 >> I move we transmit to Planning Commission.
11:42:22 >> Motion by Mr. Suarez, second by Ms. Capin.
11:42:24 All in favor of the motion, please indicate by saying aye.
11:42:26 Opposed nay.
11:42:28 The ayes have it unanimously.
11:42:29 >> Could we ask though they leave a copy of their
11:42:32 >> Absolutely.
11:42:32 Thank you.
11:42:35 >> Thank you, Council.
11:42:36 The third amendment requested by Mr. Ron weaver, and it is
11:42:41 dealing with waterfront parking.
11:42:49 It is for potential inclusion of surface parking within the
11:42:52 waterfront overlay district.
11:42:54 What's highlighted in yellow is the waterfront overlay
11:42:57 The parcels they've highlighted in their studies is what's
11:43:06 commonly known as the Trump site.
11:43:08 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Leave the thing with the clerk's office,
11:43:10 I'm sorry.
11:43:10 Right here.
11:43:11 Lady in blue -- I mean pink.
11:43:16 >> It's commonly known as the Trump site, but the vacant
11:43:19 parcel located on the river and Brorein.
11:43:22 However, the regulations would potentially affect the entire
11:43:26 waterfront overlay.
11:43:27 What I'd like to make known to City Council up front is the
11:43:31 reason for the amendment is because waterfront surface
11:43:33 parking is prohibited.
11:43:35 That decision was made approximately 12 years ago as of may
11:43:39 7th, 2000, even temporary surface parking in the waterfront
11:43:42 overlay was banned.
11:43:44 It is our stance from the staff's perspective that the
11:43:48 comprehensive plan speaks to not allowing or discouraging
11:43:52 surface parking lot along the waterfront.
11:43:54 It clearly says under chapter 2 of vibrant central area,
11:43:59 goal six, policy 612, that we should develop, we actually
11:44:05 should develop regulations that discourage surface parking
11:44:07 and freestanding garages in the view corridors, encourage
11:44:11 architectural integration and so on, which deals with public
11:44:15 access to the water front.
11:44:16 Those regulations have been developed.
11:44:18 It is prohibited.
11:44:19 We do not believe that that prohibition should be lifted for
11:44:23 waterfront parking.
11:44:25 I did just receive the study from Mr. Weaver on April 20th,
11:44:29 so I've had to briefly look through it.
11:44:31 He does cite a couple different areas in the photos that he
11:44:36 gave me.
11:44:37 And it is actually in your packet as well.
11:44:40 >> I saw the cars parked in different areas.
11:44:43 >> Yes.
11:44:43 That particular site in November of 2009, I did issue a
11:44:49 letter acknowledging that the nonconforming use of that
11:44:52 parcel as parking had been lost.
11:44:55 So any parking that is currently taking place on that
11:44:58 property is illegal.
11:44:59 That's one cause for the amendment request.
11:45:04 He did locate within the photos some other locations within
11:45:08 the waterfront that are used for parking.
11:45:13 Including -- let's see.
11:45:17 The waterfront overlay basically kind of comes up McKinnis
11:45:23 and juts across and goes through a narrow line.
11:45:26 What you have here are some surface parking lots divided
11:45:31 from the waterfront by rights-of-way, obviously, they're not
11:45:35 directly on the waterfront and there is a fair amount of
11:45:37 green along there as well.
11:45:39 These parking lots are considered, if there was within the
11:45:43 waterfront overlay, non-conforming as they sit today.
11:45:47 As that property redevelops, would have to come into
11:45:51 Much like the Trump site on Brorein and Ashley.
11:45:55 Looking farther south, it was highlighted that this
11:45:58 particular parking area next to the Straz center, this
11:46:03 little area right here, where there are some parking spaces.
11:46:08 I did zoom into that one as well.
11:46:13 Oops, wrong way.
11:46:18 I'm sorry.
11:46:19 You'll note that this is the little parking area here.
11:46:27 Technically it does appear already that there is still a
11:46:30 right-of-way that's actually dedicated through here.
11:46:32 This is the Riverwalk.
11:46:34 This little parking plaza, which is typically a turn around,
11:46:37 with a few spaces here, the difference a great, there is
11:46:42 that very large feature with the waterfalls, so it is not
11:46:46 directly on the waterfront as well.
11:46:47 And then looking at the southern parcel here, which is the
11:46:56 one in question.
11:46:58 Underneath the regulations that he's proposed.
11:47:00 As you can see along this portion, north of Brorein, this is
11:47:04 the last remaining large parcel of land that could be
11:47:09 Any citation that he gives you for parking within the
11:47:11 right-of-way, he shows parking spaces along Carlton, which
11:47:15 are actually surface parking, but in the right-of-way.
11:47:18 They're needed spaces as well as spaces along whiting I
11:47:22 think are irrelevant.
11:47:24 They're not considered surface parking lots.
11:47:27 Again, I will say just for the record that we will continue
11:47:30 to object to this particular request.
11:47:32 We believe the stance has been made within the comprehensive
11:47:35 plan and 12 years ago when it was decided that surface
11:47:37 parking should not be allowed within the waterfront
11:47:41 I'm available for any questions.
11:47:43 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
11:47:44 Anyone in the audience care to speak of this subject matter,
11:47:47 please come forward.
11:47:48 Yes, sir?
11:47:49 >> Mr. Chairman, Ron weaver, 401 East Jackson Street, here
11:47:53 with Mr. Tray Vick, who has a package of material.
11:47:57 I was late, lunch is know, so Mr. Tray Vick from brownstone
11:48:02 LLC is going to present you why this would not be a change
11:48:04 of what has been done on the river for the last 30 some
11:48:08 years, in good faith and which would still be ongoing but
11:48:12 for the fact this particular applicant, brownstone, has
11:48:16 tried for the last year or two to make the Cap Trust
11:48:20 building work with inadequate parking.
11:48:25 It has lost all of its parking unlike hundreds of
11:48:25 competitors who park adjacent to their building.
11:48:27 Dozens of those hundreds of businesses and office buildings
11:48:31 in Tampa have over the last ten or 50 years parked adjacent
11:48:34 to their building and even the large chains, as long as they
11:48:38 didn't cease more than 180 days, continue to park next to
11:48:41 their building so their building could survive.
11:48:44 As you know, parking downtown needs about two or three or
11:48:47 four spaces per thousand.
11:48:48 This building has 18 on the ground and 20 underneath, which
11:48:53 means the building has point eight per thousand.
11:48:56 One fourth of what is often needed to make any downtown
11:48:59 building work.
11:49:00 Now, this project is going to go forward with a brand new
11:49:03 future, but while the future is coming, the recession has
11:49:06 clobbered the 2005 zoning for the Trump Tower.
11:49:10 Condition six of which, in front of you, is the large
11:49:12 foldout and which you'll see the bottom line is that in
11:49:16 2005, and this Council, condition number six says that
11:49:20 surface parking shall persist on this site until the Trump
11:49:26 Tower could be built, until it could be commenced.
11:49:30 Quite frankly, as you notice from the recession, it has not
11:49:33 been buildable because of the recession through no fault of
11:49:37 this owner.
11:49:38 He has bought in good faith.
11:49:39 He has bought a property that has parked on this site for 30
11:49:43 You have aerials there for the last 35 years.
11:49:46 Building was built in 1974.
11:49:47 It's been in town as long as me.
11:49:49 It's just held up a whole lot better.
11:49:51 Since 1974, therefore, this building, and it's a grand old
11:49:57 middle age, Ms. Capin, it's not a grant only man like the
11:50:01 old courthouse.
11:50:02 It's a grand middle age, you said man last week.
11:50:06 In relation to the old federal courthouse.
11:50:10 Bottom line is this, ladies and gentlemen, we are not
11:50:12 intruding into the river in way -- by the way, look at that
11:50:16 2002 sales brochure with a picture the way this mark parking
11:50:21 is nonintrusive and we're going to buffer with eight feet of
11:50:24 buffer, so people looking out their window, 30,000 office
11:50:28 folks are going to look across at the river, look at the
11:50:30 buffer if they want to look at the ground level and guess
11:50:34 You said build a structure.
11:50:35 Don't unthink those 30,000 office tenants would rather look
11:50:39 across the buffer, over the buffer at the river rather than
11:50:42 looking at two or five or 10 story structured parking?
11:50:47 Ms. Cole has been great to work with she's brother ticketing
11:50:50 the river.
11:50:51 We have been trying to protect the river as well.
11:50:53 We have just invested big time.
11:50:55 You make the Cap Trust Building function again.
11:50:58 The way to make the Cap Trust function again is protect that
11:51:01 point eight -- I repeat -- point eight per thousand parking
11:51:05 and give it two or three or four just like in those
11:51:09 It's been parked on the last 30 some years.
11:51:12 With respect to legality, I think Ms. Coyle has made an
11:51:15 interesting point.
11:51:16 But the bottle line, the alleged illegality, because we did
11:51:21 you a favor.
11:51:21 No good deed goes unpunished.
11:51:24 We tried to rezone it to a Trump Tower.
11:51:26 We tried to build the Trump Tower.
11:51:28 We couldn't in this economy build the Trump Tower.
11:51:31 Therefore, technically, we've ceased using this.
11:51:31 She's also right about one other thing.
11:51:32 It did get amortized in 1997 with the mercy to 2000.
11:51:40 But that's back when it had separate owners.
11:51:42 These people bought both pieces and ought to be given the
11:51:46 same seven year amortization because they have bothered to
11:51:48 combine the pieces and they bothered to have a 50 year
11:51:52 unstopped, no day when this Cap Trust wasn't an office
11:51:56 It's not 180 days cease or voluntary waiver or gave it up in
11:52:00 the zoning.
11:52:00 It's the opposite.
11:52:01 All three of the bases for going forward are present here.
11:52:06 The 2005 zoning, even though that's five years after the
11:52:09 alleged goodbye please to parking, actually acknowledged the
11:52:13 125 spaces needed.
11:52:14 If you look in that large plan for Trump Tower, over in the
11:52:18 bottom left, under parking schedule, it says 125 spaces
11:52:22 needed for Cap Trust shall be maintained in the parking
11:52:26 structure shared with the Trump Tower site.
11:52:28 Therefore, second reason.
11:52:29 It's been good faith for the last 30 some years.
11:52:33 It is not intrusive.
11:52:35 Will be well buffered.
11:52:36 And we do respect Ms. Coyle.
11:52:38 She's been protecting the river, and doing extremely good
11:52:40 job of it.
11:52:41 She's the best zoning administrator in the state by far.
11:52:45 She's listened, but she felt this is not something currently
11:52:48 prepared to recommend, but I respectfully suggest that if
11:52:51 you owned a building and you were parking adjacent to it for
11:52:55 the last 20 or 40 years and then told you're trying to
11:52:58 upgrade this economy with a 50 time better tax base for the
11:53:02 Trump Tower silent, it's going to interrupt and therefore
11:53:05 create a lots of ability and your zoning in 2005 to keep on
11:53:08 parking here.
11:53:09 I don't think good deed should be punished.
11:53:12 And they should be defaulted, Mr. Vick is here to answer
11:53:17 questions that they should be defaulted because they've been
11:53:19 trying to continue with a functioning Cap Trust Building for
11:53:22 its parking.
11:53:22 I would be glad to answer any questions.
11:53:24 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Any questions of Councilmembers at this
11:53:27 >> Mr. Vick.
11:53:28 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Let me run the meeting, sir.
11:53:30 >> I'm sorry.
11:53:31 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Anyone in the audience care to speak?
11:53:32 Please come forward.
11:53:34 >> Jerry Vick, representative of the owners group.
11:53:37 I want to say very briefly, I don't want to get in between
11:53:40 anyone and lunch.
11:53:41 We do not have the intention of creating a parking lot in
11:53:45 the Riverfront district.
11:53:47 We are invested heavily in the river front.
11:53:49 We want to see it be a flourishing component of the Tampa
11:53:52 CBD, and I know the mayor feels the same.
11:53:55 We want to build a functional integrative project to make
11:53:59 that Riverwalk flourish here in Tampa.
11:54:02 We have had the Riverwalk constructed towards the backside
11:54:05 of our property.
11:54:06 It looks beautiful.
11:54:07 It will be completed and I think may 25th, we have a ribbon
11:54:11 That is a natural buffer between a temporary parking lot and
11:54:16 the river, as well as we want to beautify that site as an
11:54:19 interim use to the further development of that project.
11:54:22 We have gone out to RFQs for architectural services, we are
11:54:27 actively planning the project to continue we deliver
11:54:30 something to market that's functional, that allows the
11:54:33 Riverwalk to work and drives the people to the Riverwalk and
11:54:36 downtown Tampa.
11:54:37 The other component of this that I want to be clear on, we
11:54:40 want to use this for public use in that interim.
11:54:43 This is an access point to that Riverwalk.
11:54:45 This is a way for people to come in and enjoy the investment
11:54:49 that the City of Tampa has made in that river.
11:54:51 And it will not be something that will be sitting there and
11:54:54 be a pay lot for anyone.
11:54:56 It will be open to the public for them to access, public
11:55:01 So, I just want to make that clear.
11:55:04 We'll have more time to discuss this, but I want to make
11:55:07 sure that time was made.
11:55:09 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Ms. Cole?
11:55:10 And Julia, what are the legal ramifications of this if any?
11:55:17 >>CATHERINE COYLE: Catherine Coyle, planning manager.
11:55:19 If I could remind you of a couple things.
11:55:20 First this is a privately initiated amendment.
11:55:23 Council obligated to transmit.
11:55:25 It's an initiated amendment from someone in the private
11:55:29 The second one is that we're also not here to rehash the
11:55:34 2009 decision.
11:55:34 That was what it was.
11:55:35 As far as the commencement of that development.
11:55:41 Number three, basically that, the one concern that we have
11:55:45 aside from, we believe that the parking lot should not occur
11:55:49 on surface parking should not 70 cure within the water
11:55:52 We believer that decision was made over a decade ago and
11:55:55 should remain.
11:55:55 It's a dangerous place to go in my opinion.
11:56:00 And I will continue to say this, when an amendment is
11:56:03 written so tailored for one piece of property and the
11:56:06 conditions relate to just that piece of property, because
11:56:10 remember, the codes are generally applied broadly applied
11:56:13 across districts and parcels.
11:56:15 What I would say, if Council is to entertain this, even in a
11:56:19 temporary fashion, the easiest way to do it is simply to
11:56:22 amend the definition of temporary surface parking lots.
11:56:24 That's where the amortization date is actually listed.
11:56:29 Rather than creating a whole other host of conditions or
11:56:32 criteria, that could proliferate other things.
11:56:37 That could cause other things to happen.
11:56:38 The temporary parking definition is may 7th, 2000.
11:56:43 If you were to make an amendment to that date, it's a hard
11:56:48 That is where I think the regulations are already there.
11:56:51 If you so choose to actually extend the life of temporary
11:56:54 surface parking lots or giver them a new life, that would be
11:56:57 the simplest, clearest amendment to do without creating a
11:57:00 whole new set of conditions.
11:57:01 But again, I say that with caution because we still have the
11:57:05 stance that we should not allow it.
11:57:07 Thank you.
11:57:08 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Legal department?
11:57:13 >> Julie Cole, legal department.
11:57:15 When you ask what the legal ramifications are, you mean as
11:57:18 it relates to the previous approvals we had done on this
11:57:20 As Ms. Coyle said, we looked at that extensively and we're
11:57:24 comfortable with it, 2009 letter and where we are legally in
11:57:27 terms of prohibiting this lot from utilizing and continuing
11:57:30 to have temporary parking.
11:57:32 So, that issue, while I understand why Mr. Weaver raised it
11:57:38 is really first of all not incentive and second of all,
11:57:41 we're fairly comfortable with our legal position on that
11:57:45 what you heard Ms. Coyle say, you've got privately initiated
11:57:49 amendment, that tracks in such a way that is tailored to a
11:57:53 particular parcel of property.
11:57:55 Under your process you should, and you're really in a
11:57:59 position where you must at least transmit it to the Planning
11:58:01 Commission so you can actually take action on that later on
11:58:04 down the road.
11:58:05 If you would like to move forward with some other amendment
11:58:10 as Ms. Coyle has stated, I would also ask that you ask for
11:58:13 that amendment to also be transmitted with a hard data, if
11:58:18 not, that wouldn't be something that you could consider down
11:58:20 the line.
11:58:21 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Before I go to Councilmembers, anyone
11:58:23 else in the audience who has not spoken, who would care to
11:58:27 speak on this subject matter?
11:58:28 I see no one.
11:58:29 Mr. Suarez?
11:58:31 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Ms. Cole -- Coyle and Cole sound a lot alike,
11:58:37 the way I pronounce it.
11:58:39 I know what you're saying in terms of it being specifically
11:58:42 designed for one parcel, but actually the way it's drafted
11:58:45 based on what it says is because there is no other parcels.
11:58:48 That's the only reason why it's specifically drafted,
11:58:52 >> That is true.
11:58:53 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I mean, it's a reality.
11:58:57 >>JULIA COLE: When we say that it's specifically drafted,
11:59:00 you're right.
11:59:00 It really only impacts one parcel.
11:59:03 Drafted with a particular address.
11:59:06 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I just wanted to make clarification publicly
11:59:09 because I want to make sure people understand.
11:59:12 The way that the proposed amendment is written is because
11:59:17 any piece of property that was empty there under these
11:59:19 conditions would fit within this particular amendment,
11:59:23 >>JULIA COLE: That's correct.
11:59:25 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Okay, thank you.
11:59:25 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Anyone else in Mr. Cohen?
11:59:28 >>HARRY COHEN: Mr. Chair, it's coming close to noon, I'd
11:59:30 like to make a motion we extend the meeting till 12:30 to
11:59:34 finish our agenda.
11:59:35 >> Have a motion by Mr. Cohen, second by Ms. Montelione.
11:59:38 All in favor of the motion please indicate by saying aye.
11:59:42 The ayes have it unanimously.
11:59:45 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Okay, one abstain.
11:59:47 I guess he's hungry.
11:59:48 Talking of chickens.
11:59:54 [ Laughter ]
11:59:55 >> I asked him earlier if he wanted to go out for some
12:00:00 >> Where are those fresh eggs?
12:00:02 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Let's get back to the business here.
12:00:08 Anyone else on Council?
12:00:12 >> I was going to make the motion to transmit to the
12:00:14 Planning Commission.
12:00:16 >> Seconds.
12:00:17 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Have a motion by Mr. Suarez.
12:00:18 Second by Mr. Reddick, further discussion by Councilmembers?
12:00:21 All if favor of the motion, please indicate by saying aye.
12:00:22 Opposed nay.
12:00:25 Motion passes, I vote no motion passes 5-1.
12:00:30 >> Mr. Chair, should we also make a motion to -- Ms. Coyle
12:00:37 asked us to do something else to give us an alternative down
12:00:40 the road.
12:00:40 That if we don't send to the Planning Commission, we're not
12:00:44 going to have, correct?
12:00:46 >> That's correct.
12:00:47 Simply amending the definition of temporary surface parking
12:00:50 lot, which is really the nature of what he's requesting.
12:00:52 And it's amending the date.
12:00:54 He's asking for a time are grade R frame and all those
12:00:57 You literally could change the date the definition and we
12:01:01 already have standards for parking.
12:01:03 Much easier.
12:01:04 >> So I'll move that we do that and we need to transmit that
12:01:07 to the Planning Commission as well.
12:01:08 >> That's correct.
12:01:09 Then you would need, I believe it's a five year timeframe.
12:01:13 >> Few of years.
12:01:14 >> So you'd look at 2017.
12:01:17 >> Second.
12:01:19 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Motion by Mr. Cohen, second by
12:01:20 Mr. Suarez.
12:01:22 All in favor of that motion, please indicate by saying aye.
12:01:25 Opposed nay.
12:01:28 Motion passes 5-1.
12:01:30 I voted for the first one, I can't vote for the second.
12:01:33 All right.
12:01:33 We go to item number 9.
12:01:37 It's regarding billboards.
12:01:51 >>JULIA COLE: Julia Cole, legal department.
12:01:54 I'm going to hand out some potential draft amendments for us
12:01:58 to be discussed.
12:02:00 City Council may recall we discussed this issue and the
12:02:14 history behind this issue at length.
12:02:17 I want to say a month ago.
12:02:19 So I'm not going to go back through that.
12:02:21 You had requested that the legal department prepare a draft
12:02:23 amendment to our code regarding electronic billboards.
12:02:27 But there was never any real discussion of what it is the
12:02:31 Council wanted.
12:02:32 So what I'm handing out to you would end up being an
12:02:35 extremely simple amendment to make, but the policy decision,
12:02:38 it would be up to you and it would simply be changing out
12:02:43 the numbers of electronic billboards that each sign company
12:02:49 is entitled to and each of the nonconforming billboards
12:02:52 would be entitled to, so long as they met all the other
12:02:56 And right now, on FAI and FAQ, the large roadways, there was
12:03:01 an allowability of four.
12:03:03 On the non-FAP, FAI roadways, there was an allowability of
12:03:10 So we would simply strike those numbers and add in whatever
12:03:13 additional billboards would be allowed for that purpose.
12:03:15 Now, I want to just state that this does not contemplate a
12:03:22 change to any of the conditions.
12:03:25 There is a limitation and five percent cap for each one of
12:03:28 the billboard companies of how many billboards they can
12:03:31 It doesn't change the tradeout mechanism or any of the
12:03:34 operational standards it would simply be adding additional
12:03:37 electronic billboards to the inventory that each variance,
12:03:42 each company would have and also the nonconforming
12:03:46 billboards would have.
12:03:47 I understand that Clear Channel, who made this request of
12:03:50 you, has requested an additional eight electronic sign
12:03:56 Six on the large roadways, FAI and FAP.
12:04:00 And two on the non-FAP, FAI, so if that's the pleasure of
12:04:07 Council, then we'd have ten FAI, FAP, and four on the
12:04:13 So I leave that discussion for Council.
12:04:15 I'm available for any additional questions.
12:04:17 I believe there are some folks here to speak about this.
12:04:21 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Any questions of Councilmembers at this
12:04:27 Anyone of the public care to bring up your thoughts and
12:04:33 feelings on items number nine?
12:04:35 >> Steve Michelini.
12:04:36 Up I'm basically supporting of the change.
12:04:39 However, there's one issue that's not addressed in this
12:04:42 particular change.
12:04:43 I have a client who has one sign.
12:04:47 That is in the City of Tampa.
12:04:50 So the matrix they're discussing doesn't address anyone who
12:04:53 has less than the total number of signs you need to tradeout
12:04:58 in order to have one digital sign.
12:05:00 So, I respectfully request you address that during this
12:05:05 change as well.
12:05:06 So that there's some guidance on what do you do if you own
12:05:10 less than the number of signs required to trade something
12:05:14 You can't have a sixth of a sign or a tenth of a sign.
12:05:22 So I request that you address that as well.
12:05:24 Thank you.
12:05:25 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
12:05:26 Next please?
12:05:32 >> Margaret Vizzi, 23 South Sherrill.
12:05:35 I am representing the T.H.A.N. zoning committee.
12:05:39 We met with the billboard industry early on when they first
12:05:43 were going, bringing this forward.
12:05:45 But we haven't heard any more from them.
12:05:47 Some of the things that we recommended when we did meet with
12:05:51 them was that they perhaps have to take down more billboards
12:05:57 with each space.
12:06:02 They didn't agree to that and I think it's coming forward as
12:06:05 they told us they would be recommending.
12:06:08 And the other issue was on the non-FAP.
12:06:14 We ask that they all be on the FAP.
12:06:18 Because that would keep basically on the interstate system.
12:06:21 And that is more acceptable because it's still, even in
12:06:26 those instances, it address it is neighborhood issues.
12:06:29 Because our main concern is where these would be placed, and
12:06:34 as we all know, our neighborhoods are very close to our
12:06:42 So, we do have concerns.
12:06:45 And what Steve just recommended about saying something about
12:06:49 taking even less down, that could be a disaster, because I
12:06:54 will say that they showed us a board, and I wish they had
12:06:58 brought it today, where signs were taken down and they were
12:07:02 taken down all over the city.
12:07:04 And we were very impressed with the number of billboards
12:07:07 that have come down because of this.
12:07:09 And we would just like to see more boards come down if you
12:07:14 do approve more of these digital.
12:07:17 So that's where T.H.A.N. is.
12:07:19 And we would have a better recommendation when we see the
12:07:23 final draft of the ordinance when it comes before you later
12:07:27 on, because we do want to continue to be involved in the
12:07:32 Thank you.
12:07:33 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
12:07:33 Ms. Cole?
12:07:39 The conversation that we're having now about an increase
12:07:42 more of the electronic billboards, does that bring any, take
12:07:48 down signs or not?
12:07:50 Does it equate to a proportionate one up or down or whatever
12:07:53 it was?
12:07:54 >> Yes.
12:07:55 As it stands right now in the code, and this would not
12:07:58 change, either one of the billboard companies or owner of
12:08:03 what we call the nonconforming signs, the signs that were
12:08:05 not part of our settlement agreement, can have the
12:08:09 opportunity to sever an electronic billboard sign face if
12:08:12 they take down or give up the rights to ten sign faces.
12:08:17 And there's a formula that we have in the code, so that is
12:08:20 not changing.
12:08:21 So in order to receive the rights to these additional signs
12:08:24 if we so choose to allow them, that tradeoff mechanism, all
12:08:29 of the designated roadways, certain roadways where the
12:08:33 electronic billboards are allowed, there are setback
12:08:36 requirements, there's -- they have to be a certain number of
12:08:39 feet away, 2500 feet away from each other.
12:08:42 All of those standards stay exactly the same.
12:08:45 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Nothing changes, they have to comply with
12:08:49 regulations we passed some years back, so much for so much?
12:08:52 >> That's correct.
12:08:53 Now, I can address Mr. Michelini's concerns if City Council
12:08:56 would like me to at this time.
12:08:59 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Okay, let's do it now.
12:09:01 >> Mr. Michelini is correct.
12:09:02 You own one nonconforming billboard sign, that one
12:09:06 nonconforming billboard sign, taking that down would not be
12:09:10 enough in order to have the benefit of the electronic sign.
12:09:15 When we drafted that, we made that clear to everybody.
12:09:19 After that provision -- we recognize and understood at that
12:09:22 time there may be one or two outlying nonconforming
12:09:26 billboards that are just sort of out there in the world,
12:09:30 that we might not necessarily know who owns.
12:09:32 We know that they're legally permitted or not legally
12:09:35 permitted, but they probably changed hands over time.
12:09:38 But that doesn't mean those signs don't have the right to
12:09:40 get that benefit ultimately.
12:09:42 They need to sort of ban together and find other signs that
12:09:45 can be taken down in order to achieve that allowability for
12:09:49 an electronic billboard.
12:09:50 So it's not that they're precluded per se.
12:09:53 They're just precluded because they only own one and so they
12:09:57 can't ban -- can ban together with some of the other
12:10:00 nonconforming billboard sign owners and get the benefit of
12:10:03 one additional sign.
12:10:04 If City Council wanted to do something else on their, that's
12:10:06 a much larger sign code amendment to this code.
12:10:10 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: So that's like a good neighbor policy?
12:10:13 >> Yeah.
12:10:13 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Get together and work it out.
12:10:15 >> Get together, get nine of your friends, nine of your
12:10:18 nonconforming billboard friends and come to the city, show
12:10:21 that they're legal, and you will get the same benefit as the
12:10:25 billboard sign companies have gotten under this code
12:10:28 amendment, plus their settlement agreement.
12:10:31 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you so much.
12:10:32 That sounds like an insurance company.
12:10:34 Ms. Capin?
12:10:36 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Ms. Cole, let me see if I understood this
12:10:39 right so.
12:10:40 If they get together nine friends and, you have to talk nine
12:10:44 people that own billboards to take down their billboard to
12:10:47 put one electronic billboard?
12:10:51 >> If you are nonconforming billboard, yes.
12:10:54 You need to find, and this is drafted this way at the time.
12:11:00 The whole point was, in order to allow for the electronic
12:11:04 billboard, signs would be taken down.
12:11:07 And so when it was drafted, it was drafted with the intent
12:11:10 of signs coming down, notwithstanding who the owner is.
12:11:13 So therefore, if you've got one sign, one phase or two
12:11:19 phase, because we talk about this in phases, you still get
12:11:23 the benefit if you can find other folks that want to take
12:11:26 their signs down for whatever reason, who are legal
12:11:30 nonconforming billboards, but that was the deal that was
12:11:32 struck at the time.
12:11:33 That's why if we want to do something different for the
12:11:36 nonconforming signs, that's a much larger conversation.
12:11:41 And we'll have to think about that very carefully.
12:11:43 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Thank you.
12:11:44 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you.
12:11:45 Is the individual here that represents this?
12:11:48 >> Yes, Mr. Chairman and Council, I'm Todd Pressman on
12:11:52 behalf of Clear Channel communications.
12:11:54 We have had a great relationship working with Ms. Vizzi.
12:11:57 She's great to work with.
12:11:59 Worked with them for about a year November on the original
12:12:02 And I will state to you Councilmembers, I think this is an
12:12:07 ordinance that the city should be proud of, the billboard
12:12:10 companies and direct through CBS are happy with has worked
12:12:15 The city has not received a single solitary complaint or
12:12:20 concern that we are aware of, and I checked with the prior
12:12:24 administration and the prior city attorney before they left,
12:12:26 in regard to the actions of the ordinance that's in place.
12:12:30 It has resulted in dozens and dozens and dozens, just on
12:12:35 Clear Channel side, removal of 48 physical billboards that
12:12:38 never would have come down in the city.
12:12:40 That's only half the formula.
12:12:42 I can't speak for CBS exactly how many they've teen down,
12:12:45 but I'm sure it's dozens and dozens.
12:12:48 It's been a great scenic improvement to the city and at the
12:12:51 same time, Clear Channel, as you are aware, has erected an
12:12:55 emergency civic partnership with the city, and advertising
12:12:58 and promoting emergency messages, I've gone through those, I
12:13:03 won't repeat those.
12:13:04 Regard to Steve's comment, the hardy ordinance as you know
12:13:08 was 10-1 tradeoff.
12:13:10 Ten come down for one going up.
12:13:12 And you have to pay to play.
12:13:14 That's the ordinance.
12:13:16 And this ordinance is pointed to at every jurisdiction we go
12:13:19 to, give us what you did in Tampa.
12:13:21 We want what you did in Tampa.
12:13:23 It's become a standard for us in working with other
12:13:27 jurisdictions, it works.
12:13:29 But Mr. Michelini is correct, and you've had some discussion
12:13:32 about it.
12:13:32 But that is the heart of the ordinance.
12:13:34 What we're seeking to do today is not change virtually
12:13:38 anything in the ordinance.
12:13:39 It is strictly to come back to what this Council talked --
12:13:42 not this particular Council, but the Tampa City Council when
12:13:44 they approved the ordinance, to come back in two years, see
12:13:48 how it's worked.
12:13:49 Let's try it as a trial period, see how it works, and if so,
12:13:53 we'll consider more.
12:13:54 That's why we're here.
12:13:55 And I'm glad to report to you that I think everybody is very
12:13:58 happy with it.
12:13:59 Thank you very much.
12:14:01 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you.
12:14:02 Anyone else in the audience?
12:14:07 >> Tom O'Neil, 716 Promenade Place, Tampa, representing
12:14:11 Clear Channel and public affairs director.
12:14:13 Very briefly, I think I won't overstate the obvious.
12:14:18 There are certain economic benefits, but the reality is
12:14:21 there's a cost.
12:14:22 I think that cost was clearly struck in the previous
12:14:25 Council's assessment.
12:14:27 And the opportunity to bridge a two year review, I think has
12:14:31 worked well, as Mr. Pressman indicated, no complaints, no
12:14:36 And that's not just the average citizen or T.H.A.N.
12:14:40 That's no law enforcement officials, no one from the
12:14:43 community has expressed any interest.
12:14:45 So, I would say this, I think we take this as a partnership,
12:14:49 we take it as a responsibility.
12:14:50 I think it has worked very well.
12:14:53 And you know, we're here to say that at your pleasure,
12:14:57 additional locations will be taken into consideration of
12:15:02 T.H.A.N.'s concerns and neighborhood issues.
12:15:04 I think we have done a good job spacing them and that will
12:15:08 We appreciate the effort.
12:15:09 We certainly hope to enhance the public service aspects and
12:15:13 allow more small businesses to possibly take advantage.
12:15:16 Additional locations.
12:15:17 We thank you for your time.
12:15:18 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
12:15:19 Anyone else in the audience care to speak on item number
12:15:23 >> Mr. Chair?
12:15:24 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Mr. Reddick?
12:15:26 >>FRANK REDDICK: I move item number nine.
12:15:27 >> Second.
12:15:28 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Have approval from Mr. Reddick on item
12:15:31 nine, with Ms. Capin seconding the motion.
12:15:34 This is to send back to the legal department to draft the
12:15:38 necessary documents.
12:15:39 Am I correct?
12:15:41 >>JULIA COLE: What I need in that motion is the numbers,
12:15:44 that the number that Clear Channel has made the request for,
12:15:47 and I can go ahead and get that process.
12:15:49 If there's another number or something else, I'll need City
12:15:52 Council to let me know that.
12:15:54 >>FRANK REDDICK: So was it eight FAPs?
12:15:59 >> R.
12:16:01 >>JULIA COLE: Their why was for additional six on FAP, FAI,
12:16:05 and additional two on non-FAP, FAI.
12:16:09 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: That motion carries, the document
12:16:11 Ms. Cole just presented to us with those numbers that are
12:16:13 necessary for those documents to be drafted.
12:16:15 I have a motion by Mr. Reddick, second by Ms. Capin.
12:16:19 Further discussion by Councilmembers on that motion?
12:16:21 All in favor of the motion, please indicate by saying aye.
12:16:23 Opposed nay.
12:16:26 The ayes have it unanimously.
12:16:27 >> Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
12:16:29 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much for attending.
12:16:31 All right, we go for receive and file all the documents
12:16:34 Have a motion by Mr. Ms. Montelione, second by Mr. Cohen.
12:16:38 All in favor of that motion, please indicate by saying aye.
12:16:41 The ayes have it unanimously.
12:16:42 Information report, we go, any new business from right to
12:16:47 Mr. Suarez?
12:16:47 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you, chair.
12:16:48 I'd like to ask that Vince Pardo and the, his group come
12:16:57 back to us about renaming Septima to the correct Spanish
12:17:05 language spelling.
12:17:07 I just want to find out what that cost would be, if he could
12:17:09 bring that back at May 10th at our regular CRA meeting.
12:17:14 At 9:00 a.m.
12:17:16 >> Second.
12:17:17 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Motion by Mr. Suarez, have a second by
12:17:21 Mr. Cohen.
12:17:21 All in favor of the motion, please indicate by saying aye.
12:17:27 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'm just thinking of them chickens.
12:17:38 I stand corrected.
12:17:41 All in favor of that motion, please indicate by saying aye.
12:17:43 Opposed nay?
12:17:44 The ayes have it.
12:17:47 You sit the whole meeting, make one mistake, look what
12:17:50 [ Laughter ]
12:17:51 >> Anything else?
12:17:52 >>MIKE SUAREZ: One last thing.
12:17:54 Our colleague Montelione birthday today.
12:17:57 We wish her a happy birth day.
12:17:59 Since you are the queen of the PSAs, it's my turn to say
12:18:04 happy birthday, so everyone knows it is your birthday.
12:18:09 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Thank you so much.
12:18:11 It's a pleasure.
12:18:12 >>MIKE SUAREZ: He's gearing up for something else.
12:18:15 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Ms. Capin?
12:18:16 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Happy birthday, Lisa.
12:18:18 Yes, I have two things.
12:18:20 I have a copy of the letter that was a motion that was made
12:18:24 last meeting to Commissioner Sandy Merman.
12:18:31 I have copies for all the members and legal and for the
12:18:37 That was sent to Ms. Merman.
12:18:39 So I'd like to pass that out.
12:18:40 And secondly, considering that in January, we were, we
12:18:47 passed a rate increase on waste -- on our trash collection.
12:18:54 And that increase came into effect in April, and there's
12:18:57 another increase coming in.
12:18:59 When I look at this, there were -- there are a lot of
12:19:04 questions and there was -- when I looked at the report of
12:19:08 the audit, there were estimated dates for these to come
12:19:15 And these dates have been pushed to, further down the road.
12:19:21 Therefore, either a workshop or staff report again in
12:19:25 October to let our public know that this was -- when we had
12:19:36 that rate increase, we will be looking at how this is
12:19:41 administered and that we are saving the public money.
12:19:45 So therefore, I'd like to have a follow-up either a workshop
12:19:49 or staff report.
12:19:51 I have a workshop down October 25th.
12:19:54 But we can make it a staff report.
12:19:57 But I'd like to have a follow-up on all of these, because
12:20:02 one of them is January -- November 30th.
12:20:06 October 12th for expected completion.
12:20:09 So I'd like to have a followup on all this.
12:20:15 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I'll second if you want to identify a
12:20:18 workshop date.
12:20:20 >>YVONNE CAPIN: October 25th.
12:20:22 >>LISA MONTELIONE: At?
12:20:25 >>YVONNE CAPIN: At 9:00 a.m.?
12:20:27 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Motion by Mr. Capin, second by
12:20:30 Ms. Montelione for October 25th at 9:00 a.m.
12:20:35 All in favor of the motion, please indicate by saying aye.
12:20:38 Opposed nay?
12:20:40 The ayes have it unanimously.
12:20:40 Yes, ma'am, anything else?
12:20:44 >>YVONNE CAPIN: That's it.
12:20:44 Thank you.
12:20:46 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Mr. Reddick?
12:20:47 >>FRANK REDDICK: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
12:20:48 Just want to present a request for commendation for global
12:20:53 earth day, for May 1st, 2011, that will be presented to
12:21:00 this particular organization.
12:21:03 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Motion by Mr. Reddick, second by
12:21:05 Mr. Cohen, all in favorite motion, please indicate by saying
12:21:08 Opposed nay?
12:21:10 The ayes have it unanimously.
12:21:11 >>FRANK REDDICK: Also be global love date for chicken.
12:21:15 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Ones that make it.
12:21:16 [ Laughter ]
12:21:17 >>FRANK REDDICK: Another item, Mr. Chair, several members,
12:21:21 we had opportunity to go to an event recently that, for
12:21:26 Hillsborough organization for progress and equality.
12:21:28 And we received an ordinance.
12:21:33 And I'm going to ask, I would like to submit this ordinance
12:21:36 to the legal department.
12:21:37 And ask them to review it and see if we can stipulate, if
12:21:42 it's proper that deeds request from this organization can be
12:21:48 implemented and if so, they give us a recommendation.
12:21:50 I'm going to ask that they come before Council on June the
12:21:55 29th through the regular meeting on staff report to give us
12:21:58 a recommendation, based on this ordinance.
12:22:00 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Ms. Montelione?
12:22:02 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Thank you.
12:22:03 Do I have to second it before we discussion?
12:22:06 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: No you can discuss it now.
12:22:08 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Thank you.
12:22:09 Just want to make sure I'm following the rules.
12:22:12 If possible, if Mr. Reddick would accept, I would like to
12:22:15 set that for a workshop, because it is a very complex issue
12:22:20 and for legal to come and give a staff report, there may not
12:22:23 be enough time for us to really vet through all the
12:22:27 complexities of putting such an ordinance in place.
12:22:29 So, rather than a staff report, if we can set that for a
12:22:35 >>FRANK REDDICK: The reason I'm asking them to review this,
12:22:37 because of the request of the organization, I want to see if
12:22:40 it's even our role as a Council to implement this.
12:22:42 This might be the administration responsibility.
12:22:45 Instead of the Council.
12:22:47 So I would like for them to do it and see if we -- duty to
12:22:53 implement, talking about policy, jobs, everything and we
12:22:57 don't have that responsibility.
12:22:58 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Like I said, the charge of the legal
12:23:00 department would be to review and see if we could as a
12:23:04 Council even implement something of that nature.
12:23:07 >>FRANK REDDICK: Correct.
12:23:07 Then I guess if they say yes, we can move forward, we can
12:23:11 establish a workshop to discuss it.
12:23:13 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Okay, I'll second that.
12:23:14 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Motion by Mr. Reddick, second by
12:23:16 Ms. Montelione.
12:23:18 Let me giver my feelings on this.
12:23:20 And this is just me.
12:23:21 I did meet with those people and they're well intended
12:23:24 feelings, but when you start talking about changing policies
12:23:28 of who has to get hired, I step back because if you look at
12:23:34 big government, and I'm not down on government, but I'm
12:23:37 telling you right now, that I feel, and Mr. Reddick is
12:23:41 right, maybe it is an administration thing.
12:23:43 When they start telling us, anyone, to, you have to at least
12:23:49 give an opportunity to hire somebody with, got a criminal
12:23:53 background, not say that they haven't served their justice
12:23:57 to the public and served their time, whatever it might be,
12:24:00 even if those community services, I'm not in the role to
12:24:04 hire and fire.
12:24:05 That's up to the individual companies that are coming into
12:24:08 When you start looking at, and this is no reflection on no
12:24:12 one, but when you start to think that government is going to
12:24:16 tell a company this and because I gave you a dollar tax
12:24:19 credit for job creator or something of this matter, but you
12:24:23 have to do A, B and C before you get that dollar, in
12:24:26 essence, you're working against yourself.
12:24:28 In other words, the jobs are going to go somewhere else.
12:24:31 That's just my opinion.
12:24:32 But I can understand it.
12:24:34 I'll let it go to a workshop.
12:24:36 There's no problem with that.
12:24:37 Mr. Reddick has a motion, seconded by Ms. Montelione.
12:24:42 Further discussion, Mr. Cohen?
12:24:44 >>HARRY COHEN: Thank you, Mr. Chair.
12:24:45 I was at that meeting the other night.
12:24:49 I was asked about this as well.
12:24:51 And I find myself in agreement with Mr. Miranda, that any
12:24:56 time you give something like this, you have to move very,
12:25:00 very methodically and very, very carefully to make sure that
12:25:04 you don't have the opposite effect than the one that you are
12:25:06 intending to have.
12:25:07 So, I will support it going to workshop, but there are going
12:25:11 to be a lot of questions --
12:25:13 >>FRANK REDDICK: Excuse me, it's not going to workshop.
12:25:16 >>HARRY COHEN: Excuse me.
12:25:17 I will support it going to staff report and perhaps even
12:25:19 moving it to a workshop, but I know at the time there's
12:25:22 going to be a lot of questions asked about the concept.
12:25:25 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: It's going to the legal department.
12:25:26 I have a motion on the floor.
12:25:28 All in favor of the motion, please indicate by saying aye.
12:25:29 Opposed nay?
12:25:32 The ayes have it unanimously.
12:25:33 >>FRANK REDDICK: I'm curious, I'm going to ask Ms. Coyle
12:25:37 for, someone from her office to come on staff report on June
12:25:46 the 7th and to give me an update about the C-1 commercial
12:25:53 intensity zoning issue in East Tampa on 37th street that is
12:26:01 causing a major problem in the residential community.
12:26:06 Just give us a status report based on that.
12:26:09 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Have a motion by Mr. Reddick, seconded
12:26:11 by, for a report.
12:26:13 >> Second.
12:26:14 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: By Mr. Suarez.
12:26:15 All in favor of the motion, please indicate by saying aye.
12:26:17 Opposed nay?
12:26:19 The ayes have it unanimously.
12:26:20 >>FRANK REDDICK: That's it.
12:26:21 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Okay, thank you.
12:26:22 Mr. Harry Cohen?
12:26:24 >>HARRY COHEN: Nothing.
12:26:24 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Okay, Ms. Montelione?
12:26:27 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Yes, sir.
12:26:27 Thank you.
12:26:29 I just now passed out to other members of Council a letter
12:26:35 that I had drafted and actually I had drafted this prior to
12:26:39 last Council meeting.
12:26:40 But I was asked to hold off on presenting it during the new
12:26:44 business by our legal department because they were at the
12:26:47 time looking at avenues to discuss this matter with the
12:26:52 governor's office.
12:26:53 I'm going to read, there's just three sentences, it looks
12:26:58 like it's long, but really three sentences here that are
12:27:04 This letter would be directed to the governor's office with
12:27:08 copies to our legislative delegation and to the attorney
12:27:10 general's office.
12:27:11 And it reads, the Tampa City Council by motion and vote on,
12:27:16 if this passes, it would be today's date, respectfully
12:27:20 request that the City of Tampa be permitted to regulate
12:27:22 concealed weapons during the Republican National Convention
12:27:26 to be held in Tampa this summer.
12:27:28 We believe it is necessary and prudent to take this
12:27:30 reasonable step to prevent a potential tragedy.
12:27:32 We respectfully request your leadership to protect all who
12:27:36 will be attending the convention activities, either as a
12:27:38 participate or as an observer, believing this request is in
12:27:43 keeping and in the same spirit as those exceptions
12:27:45 identified in statute.
12:27:48 And that needs to be revised to put in statutes.
12:27:50 It's quotes, the statute below, Florida Statutes section
12:27:55 790.23, item 12, preempts and pro liberties the City of
12:28:01 Tampa from regulating concealed firearms with very limited
12:28:05 exceptions, specifically speaking to places where there are
12:28:08 a number of exemptions related to places of peaceful
12:28:12 And the particular items that are quoted directly here from
12:28:16 the piece of legislation under number 12 are courtrooms,
12:28:23 polling places, meetings of governing bodies of a county
12:28:28 public school district, municipality or special district.
12:28:31 Any meeting of the legislation or committee thereof, any
12:28:34 school, college, professional athletic event not related to
12:28:38 And those in particular speak to the spirit of which I'm
12:28:42 asking for this, in this letter, because they are all
12:28:47 assemblies where a lot of government officials are together.
12:28:53 And I think at the Republican national convention, it's
12:28:58 not -- whether it be Republican national convention or
12:29:02 Democratic national convention, party doesn't matter, but
12:29:05 will be a large gathering of public officials at this
12:29:07 particular location.
12:29:08 And it seems to fit into that section because those places
12:29:11 are those that already identify places where a lot of public
12:29:16 officials will be gathering.
12:29:17 So, after the quoting of the statute, tending paragraph is,
12:29:23 we respectfully request that you work with the cabinet and
12:29:26 the legislative leadership to determine how best to quickly
12:29:28 address this paramount issue of public safety.
12:29:31 The Tampa City Council on behalf of its citizens, law
12:29:34 enforcement personnel and many thousands anticipated
12:29:38 visitors ask for this relief in this extraordinary
12:29:42 And I understand from reading the newspapers, that the mayor
12:29:47 is working on that initiative and this letter would be in
12:29:51 support of the mayor's reaching out to our governor and to
12:29:59 our elected officials.
12:30:02 >>HARRY COHEN: Well, first of all, I would second that
12:30:04 But I'd like to frame the question a, just a little bit
12:30:11 To me, this is essentially a question of executive power.
12:30:17 And it's a question of whether or not the governor is
12:30:21 authorized by the constitution of the state of Florida, or
12:30:25 by this law itself, to actually have the power to suspend
12:30:31 this law, if there's a public safety purpose to do so.
12:30:34 It is my opinion that he does have that authority.
12:30:38 And so, it is with that in mind, and in that spirit that I
12:30:43 think we should ask him to invoke that authority, which I
12:30:47 think in and of itself would give us that ability without
12:30:51 necessarily spelling it out specifically.
12:30:56 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Okay.
12:30:58 Does the maker of the motion accept that?
12:31:00 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Yes, and we can incorporate that into the
12:31:03 I attempted to make that part of this letter with the
12:31:07 sentence that the governor work with the cabinet and
12:31:11 legislative leadership to determine how best to quickly
12:31:14 address it.
12:31:15 So, I was trying to give the governor the opportunity to use
12:31:19 the best possible method, whatever he would determine, but
12:31:24 if massaging of the language by Mr. Cohen, I would certainly
12:31:30 >>HARRY COHEN: I think the issue is in the first paragraph.
12:31:32 I think rather than asking to be permitted to regulate
12:31:36 concealed weapons, I think we should turn it to be asked to
12:31:40 invoke his executive authority to temporarily suspend the
12:31:44 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Well, I guess the issue there would be,
12:31:48 it may be found by the attorney general or those who render
12:31:53 legal opinions that the governor doesn't have the power to
12:31:57 issue an executive order because this is a legislative
12:32:01 matter, that it would require the house and the senate to
12:32:04 convene and amend this section of the Florida Statutes.
12:32:11 Taking that into account, I thought well, there's no way
12:32:15 that the house and the senate are going to be called back
12:32:18 under special session, but then, I realized they still
12:32:22 haven't ratified the senate maps for redistricting.
12:32:26 So if the courts, and this gets a little dicey here, but if
12:32:30 the courts hold up the new maps that were submitted, then
12:32:34 the house has to come back and ratify those maps.
12:32:38 So the house will come back for a session, and be in
12:32:42 Tallahassee to take that vote.
12:32:43 If the court strikes down the redistricting, then the senate
12:32:47 has to return to, you know, to get another map.
12:32:51 >> No, they don't.
12:32:52 They don't have another bite at the apple.
12:32:55 >>LISA MONTELIONE: In any case, the majority of the members
12:32:58 will be present because the house does have to come back to
12:33:01 ratify those maps.
12:33:04 So there is a possibility, albeit a long shot, that if the
12:33:09 governor cannot do it by executive order, cannot do it by
12:33:12 emergency order, that at least the house will be there and a
12:33:18 special session may be able to be convened simultaneously
12:33:24 with them come back for the redistricting vote.
12:33:28 So, it's a long shot, but there are three different methods
12:33:31 this could be accomplished.
12:33:32 Executive order, emergency order, or you know, having a
12:33:36 session of the house.
12:33:37 And senate.
12:33:40 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Commissioner Suarez?
12:33:42 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Mr. Cohen brought up some of the issues I
12:33:44 We know for sure he can do this by executive order?
12:33:48 >>LISA MONTELIONE: No, we do not.
12:33:49 That's why I was leaving it open ended.
12:33:52 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Then that's why the next point I was going to
12:33:54 make, I think his reworking of that first paragraph is very
12:33:58 important because it's essentially saying the relief we're
12:34:02 asking for is directly hopefully through the power of the
12:34:07 I don't think that that power is going to be found, my guess
12:34:10 is, because if there's a legislative initiative that's
12:34:15 passed, unless he had vetoed it, I don't think going back to
12:34:21 another legal term, may not be another bite at the apple,
12:34:24 and we probably do not lend ourselves up to that point where
12:34:28 executive power Trumps legislative power in this set.
12:34:34 I think that maybe when we do, if we do rewrite this, that
12:34:38 you know, and I assume you might want to go to the AG's
12:34:41 office also for a legal opinion based on what we're asking
12:34:45 for, correct?
12:34:47 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Yeah, it was intended to go to
12:34:49 legislative delegation and the attorney general's office.
12:34:55 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Other thing I would say is to change the
12:34:57 language to reflect some of the points that Mr. Cohen had
12:34:59 made so that we are very clear as to what we're asking for.
12:35:03 It is a temporary suspension of that particular, that
12:35:07 particular -- excuse me, not suspension, but inclusion of
12:35:10 our event in the exception to.
12:35:13 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I need five minutes.
12:35:15 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I move that we go to 12, 35.
12:35:18 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Motion by Mr. Suarez, second by
12:35:21 Mr. Reddick.
12:35:22 All in favor of the motion, please indicate by saying aye.
12:35:23 Opposed nay?
12:35:25 The ayes have it unanimously.
12:35:26 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I thank you, Chair.
12:35:29 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Mr. Counsel, I was going to ask for your
12:35:33 >> [inaudible] The power the governor has is the emergency
12:35:39 power to extend certain laws, if he is allowed, able to
12:35:44 declare this an emergency for that purpose, then what you'd
12:35:47 want to do is have him prohibit the prohibition on us
12:35:52 issuing an ordinance that would restrict the use of
12:35:54 firearms, weapons within the zone we decided as the event
12:36:00 What we're asking to do is suspend that law.
12:36:02 Not asking to create any new laws, suspend the prohibition
12:36:05 of us regulating that for the period of the time while the
12:36:10 RNC is here.
12:36:10 With respect to the legislature coming back, even if they're
12:36:14 there, they have to have another special session, because
12:36:16 you're not allowed to take up any other items.
12:36:20 So if they're decide and decide they want to move on, they
12:36:23 could certainly do that.
12:36:25 That doesn't automatically allow them to do that.
12:36:28 >>LISA MONTELIONE: That's what I understood, the session,
12:36:30 they'd already be there, so it could be called in addition
12:36:33 to the reason why they're there.
12:36:35 I did mention that there were three possible ways, executive
12:36:38 order, emergency order --
12:36:40 >> Executive order would have to be an emergency order,
12:36:43 otherwise he would not have the authority under the.
12:36:51 What you're really looking for is a letter that says if you
12:36:54 have authority under your executive authority, it could
12:36:57 declare an emergency to suspend the prohibition against the
12:37:00 city implementing a regulation in the event zone for
12:37:06 purposes of regulating the use of weapons in that zone for
12:37:09 that period of time that you're like him to exercise that
12:37:14 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Ms. Montelione, would you get with
12:37:17 Mr. Territo and we'll sign it by all seven councilmembers.
12:37:26 >> I had talked with Mr. Territo before I drafted this and
12:37:29 Mr. Shelby and Mr. Shimberg and I even called our previous
12:37:32 city attorney, Mr. Fletcher to get his input as well.
12:37:35 I talked to four different attorneys.
12:37:37 >> Just want to address something that meets your standard
12:37:39 and you're okay with signing it.
12:37:44 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Ms. Capin?
12:37:45 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Real quickly.
12:37:46 There are two possible avenues.
12:37:48 So included, what we're talking about is including the
12:37:52 emergency and possibly the legislative.
12:37:57 So both and you're going to reword it and it will come back.
12:38:02 >> Yes.
12:38:03 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Anything else, Mr. Montelione?
12:38:05 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Yes, I have one other item of new
12:38:07 I would like to ask -- we have to take a motion and vote on
12:38:11 that don't we?
12:38:12 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I asked for you to get with -- so we
12:38:15 could come back and vote on it.
12:38:17 I don't have nothing to vote on now.
12:38:20 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Well, can I have a motion to proceed with
12:38:24 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: That's fine.
12:38:25 Have a motion by yourself, I think Mr. Reddick was the one
12:38:28 that seconded it, am I correct?
12:38:31 I want to make sure.
12:38:32 Don't want to make another mistake here.
12:38:34 I'll get executed.
12:38:36 >>FRANK REDDICK: Yes, I accept it.
12:38:37 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion by Ms. Montelione, second
12:38:41 by Mr. Reddick to proceed with this motion to Mr. Territo so
12:38:46 they can work together.
12:38:47 All in favor please indicate by saying aye.
12:38:48 Opposed nay?
12:38:50 The ayes have it unanimously.
12:38:51 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Now the second order of business, I would
12:38:53 like to request a commendation of Council to Shannon basset
12:38:58 of USF department of architecture for her work on the
12:39:03 restitch Tampa event competition that was held recently.
12:39:08 I was a judge during that competition.
12:39:11 And I can tell you the amount of work that went into it was
12:39:16 There were entries from, there were 40 plus entries, I
12:39:20 believe there were 46 entries to the competition from 22
12:39:24 The winners and honorable mentions that we decided on the
12:39:32 night of the event culminated in three winners and five
12:39:37 honorable mentions.
12:39:38 One of which was from New Port Richey, Florida.
12:39:41 But three of them who came in person, one came all the way
12:39:46 from Mumbai, India, flew 22 hours to be with us that day.
12:39:51 Another was from Berlin, Germany.
12:39:53 And it was just really a tremendous event for USF and for
12:40:01 the city.
12:40:03 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you, Mr. Reddick for that motion.
12:40:05 I have a motion by Ms. Montelione, seconded by Mr. Reddick.
12:40:09 All in favor of that motion, please indicate by saying aye.
12:40:12 Opposed nay?
12:40:14 Anything else to come before this Council?
12:40:16 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I just want to thank Mr. Reddick.
12:40:18 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Anyone in the audience care to speak?
12:40:21 Stand adjourned.
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April 26, 2012
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