TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
Thursday, June 7, 2012
9:00 a.m. session
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09:05:55 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: City Council is called to order.
09:06:26 The chair yields to Mr. Harry Cohen.
09:06:28 >> Good morning.
09:06:30 Presenting our invocation is John Dingler, a former HCC
09:06:35 campus leader, now involved in the Underground Network which
09:06:40 is a community of churches.
09:06:41 Their name is a tribute to the underground church of history
09:06:45 characterized in the face of danger and oppression,
09:06:48 underground network honors that memory and hopes to
09:06:51 represent the church in the community.
09:06:52 Please rise for the invocation followed by the pledge of
09:06:55 >> We invite you into this place this morning.
09:07:05 Thank you for this time to gather, and to truly serve our
09:07:08 community, just pray for this council, for active service in
09:07:13 our community, and we just pray this blessing.
09:07:16 We pray that you would bless us over the discomfort for easy
09:07:22 answers, half truths, superficial relationships, so that we
09:07:25 may live deep within our heart.
09:07:29 Would you bless us with anger having justice, oppression,
09:07:32 exploitation of people, so that we may work together for
09:07:36 justice, freedom and peace?
09:07:38 May you bless us with cheers to shed for those who suffer
09:07:42 from pain, rejection, starvation and war, so that we may
09:07:48 reach out our hand and comfort those who turn their pain
09:07:51 into joy.
09:07:52 May you bless us for the foolishness to believe that we can
09:07:56 make a difference in this world and in this city, and what
09:08:01 others claim to not be done, and may your blessing, God, be
09:08:09 upon all of us here and all that we pray for this morning.
09:08:12 In your holy name we pray.
09:08:14 [ Pledge of Allegiance ]
09:08:16 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Roll call.
09:08:46 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Here.
09:08:50 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Present.
09:08:51 >>FRANK REDDICK: Here.
09:08:52 >>HARRY COHEN: Here.
09:08:55 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Here.
09:08:57 All right, we need the adoption of the minutes of the
09:09:02 regular meeting held April 19th.
09:09:05 >> So moved.
09:09:07 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Motion by Mr. Suarez, second by Mrs.
09:09:10 All in favor of the motion?
09:09:12 Opposed nay?
09:09:13 The ayes have it unanimously now. We need the approval of
09:09:16 the minutes of the regular session of May 17th, 2012.
09:09:20 >> So moved.
09:09:22 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion by Mr. Suarez, second by
09:09:23 Mr. Cohen.
09:09:24 All in favor of that motion?
09:09:27 The ayes have it unanimously.
09:09:35 We have, I believe, eight ceremonial events this morning,
09:09:41 and we are lucky to have that.
09:09:43 The first one, Joyce Stevens.
09:09:48 Joyce has been a worker of the City of Tampa for a few
09:09:51 I won't say how many but she's much longer -- younger
09:09:55 looking than the years of service, and she's really been
09:09:58 Godsend, she's an angel, helped out so many people with the
09:10:02 problems in this great city of ours, to help get things done
09:10:05 that no one else could.
09:10:07 Or wanted to try.
09:10:08 And she did it from the heart.
09:10:12 She did it to help people.
09:10:15 And no better employee, I don't believe, ever worked for the
09:10:19 City of Tampa than Joyce Stevens.
09:10:22 Mr. Reddick has the honor this morning of presenting the
09:10:28 commendation to Ms. Joyce Stevens.
09:10:55 >>FRANK REDDICK: Good morning, City Council.
09:10:57 It is my honor to stand before you and present this
09:11:02 commendation to the Joyce A. Stevens, in recognition of her
09:11:09 22 years outstanding dedicated service to the City of Tampa
09:11:13 and in the community development office.
09:11:19 Joyce Stevens is known for her abilities to practically work
09:11:25 miracles when assistance is needed and almost no other
09:11:29 financial avenues can be found.
09:11:30 Her ability, there are many citizens in Tampa who are
09:11:35 grateful for her contributions and are aware of her
09:11:39 assistance, and you have managed to remain in -- I can't get
09:11:48 the words out this morning.
09:11:51 That alone speaks to your special character and overwhelming
09:12:00 First-time home ownership of countless innovation in the
09:12:06 programs, and present each week at the code enforcement
09:12:08 hearings, as the city's representative is commendable.
09:12:13 You have served in the house of community development
09:12:15 division since 19 7 and your continued service to the City
09:12:19 of Tampa spanned the time of Mayor Greco, Bob Martinez,
09:12:24 Sandy Freeman, and Bob Buckhorn.
09:12:33 The City Council of the City of Tampa presents you this
09:12:36 commendation on this day, June 2012.
09:12:42 We congratulate you for all your services to the City of
09:12:45 We know you will enjoy your retirement.
09:12:47 >> Yes.
09:12:48 [ Laughter ]
09:12:52 >>FRANK REDDICK: And don't forget us out here.
09:12:54 It's been our pleasure.
09:12:55 >> Thank you very much.
09:12:57 [ Applause ]
09:13:05 >> Good morning.
09:13:12 Thank you.
09:13:13 I feel very honored and blessed to be here this morning to
09:13:18 receive this commendation from council.
09:13:25 It's very important to know that it was through God and his
09:13:29 mercy that brought me here and placed me here in this great
09:13:33 organization to help struggling people.
09:13:37 Without him guiding me through this journey, this would not
09:13:42 have been possible.
09:13:44 And it was a great journey.
09:13:46 I enjoyed it very much.
09:13:48 And I just thank God for leading me here and the reward of
09:13:56 service, the citizens of this community, has been all mine.
09:14:02 I feel like I should be paying you all.
09:14:05 [ Laughter ]
09:14:06 But it has been really, really, really great.
09:14:08 And I would like to thank chairman Charlie Miranda.
09:14:14 When I met Charlie -- I am not going to put his age up like
09:14:20 they put mine up this morning -- he had black hair, black
09:14:27 side burns, and was he a handsome gentleman!
09:14:33 [ Laughter ]
09:14:33 And I have this for you.
09:14:46 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I guess she's calling me ugly.
09:14:47 [ Laughter ]
09:14:51 >> I would also like to thank my dear friend.
09:14:57 I guess you could call her my mentor, Ms. Mary Bryan.
09:15:06 I met Mary Bryan.
09:15:08 She was one of the first people that I met when I started to
09:15:11 work for the City of Tampa.
09:15:12 She was a size 6.
09:15:18 [ Laughter ]
09:15:23 She had long, blond hair, big blue eyes, and I would never
09:15:29 forget ...
09:15:35 And Mary and I worked real closely together.
09:15:39 Even though she was an executive, she was in the housing
09:15:44 If she came across a struggling family, she would always
09:15:49 call me and say, joy, we must help these people.
09:15:55 I was in the housing area.
09:15:57 She never said "you help these people."
09:16:01 And we worked real hard to bring a conclusion to those
09:16:11 And at the end Mary and I always had this debate, who was
09:16:16 the angel of the two?
09:16:18 And she would say "you are."
09:16:20 And I'm like, "no, you are."
09:16:23 And we would walk away.
09:16:29 So since I have the floor this morning, and I have the last
09:16:37 word, I would like to present her with the angel award.
09:16:42 [ Applause ]
09:16:43 I would also like to thank my dear friend -- and I hope she
09:16:56 doesn't blush-Shirley Foxx-Knowles.
09:16:59 I met Shirley when she was at general telephone through her
09:17:06 And when she started to work for the urban league she was in
09:17:09 the housing assistance program, and she and I really,
09:17:13 really, really worked real hard together to make people
09:17:17 first-time homeowners.
09:17:19 And I love her, and I appreciate her, and she's a great
09:17:23 Thank you for your friendship, Shirley.
09:17:25 [ Applause ]
09:17:33 I would also like to thank my current director, Thom
09:17:40 I have been knowing him for many years but never had the
09:17:43 opportunity to work with him as closely as I know that we
09:17:47 could have made a difference in the community, but I thank
09:17:50 him for his short term as well.
09:17:54 >>THOM SNELLING: Thank you.
09:17:56 [ Applause ]
09:17:57 >> Also, my co-workers who I love so much, my family away
09:18:07 from home.
09:18:08 They are great people.
09:18:09 I love them.
09:18:11 I am going to miss them.
09:18:13 I am going to miss them so much.
09:18:15 And thank you all for all your support over the years.
09:18:20 And I just thank God for the opportunity.
09:18:23 This was a great ride.
09:18:25 That's it.
09:18:27 [ Applause ]
09:18:28 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
09:18:34 We are very appreciative of all the countless people that
09:18:37 you helped in the city to get their roof repaired, get
09:18:41 something done that no one else could, and you have done an
09:18:44 excellent job for all the citizens.
09:18:45 At this time we go to item number 2.
09:18:47 Mr. Suarez.
09:18:48 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you, chair.
09:18:50 And Ms. Stevens, thank you very much for everything you did
09:18:53 for the city.
09:18:53 Especially thank you for that photograph you passed up here
09:18:56 of Charlie Miranda.
09:18:59 I had no idea he had hair.
09:19:03 And great glasses, too.
09:19:13 They are coming up.
09:19:20 Ms. Little is presenting to our City of Tampa budget
09:19:25 department the government finance officers association
09:19:28 award, if you could please proceed.
09:19:32 >>SONYA LITTLE: Good morning, Mr. Chairman, council
09:19:36 It's an honor to be here to present you with some very good
09:19:39 news for a change.
09:19:41 We are very delighted to share with you that the City of
09:19:44 Tampa budget department has received a very prestigious
09:19:48 award from the government finance officers association,
09:19:51 which is also known as the GFOA, and for folks in our
09:19:56 audience, who may not know about the organization, it is a
09:20:01 very widely recognized and well respected organization for
09:20:05 governmental entities, both in the United States and in
09:20:08 Canada, and this organization is primarily known for the
09:20:12 fact that it identifies and develops best practices and
09:20:17 financial policies for governmental entities.
09:20:22 On an annual basis, the organization puts together a panel
09:20:26 of reviewers, independents reviewers, who take a look at
09:20:31 budgets for governments throughout the U.S. and Canada, and
09:20:36 provides an evaluation process, and then based on the
09:20:40 government's ability to demonstrate and meet certain
09:20:44 criteria, provide an award.
09:20:46 And this is no small feat.
09:20:49 It's a very prestigious award and is actually the highest
09:20:52 honor that any governmental entity can receive in the way of
09:20:56 And for the fiscal year 2012, you will recall that Mayor
09:21:02 Buckhorn presented council with a balanced budget.
09:21:06 And we are very certainly proud of that fact, but it's
09:21:10 always a pleasure to recognize those who are behind the
09:21:13 scenes, and, Mr. Chair, if I could respectfully request, I
09:21:19 ask staff and our budget department to stand, if they will.
09:21:23 [ Applause ]
09:21:24 Now, your team in this budget department is quite awesome.
09:21:34 They work countless hours, and they are relentless in their
09:21:38 efforts, and they are led by Mr. Dennis O'Hara, and I am
09:21:47 very, very pleased to share with you this news.
09:21:49 And we did receive a plaque from GFOA that says, present
09:21:55 this certificate is of recognition for budget preparation to
09:21:58 budget office, city of Tampa, Florida.
09:22:01 So it's with great pleasure that I share this news with you.
09:22:05 [ Applause ]
09:22:06 >> Thank you for all your hard work.
09:22:14 And did they give away the best dressed government finance
09:22:19 officer to Dennis?
09:22:20 Because we know that he is a sharp dresser.
09:22:23 And you did not disappoint again today, Dennis.
09:22:27 And thanks for all the hard work you always do.
09:22:29 We always forget to figure out where money comes from and
09:22:33 how to get it into the system to help people here in the
09:22:36 City of Tampa.
09:22:36 It's a difficult process.
09:22:38 It's not easy.
09:22:39 And we really appreciate all your hard work.
09:22:40 So thank you.
09:22:42 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you all.
09:22:48 We go now to item number 3.
09:22:53 And Mr. Harry Cohen will handle that presentation,
09:23:09 >>HARRY COHEN: Thank you very much, Mr. Chair.
09:23:13 I am very privileged this morning to recognize something in
09:23:19 our community that is really, truly special, and truly
09:23:24 something that is going to help lead us into the future in
09:23:27 terms of what this region and what this city are known for.
09:23:30 This morning we are presenting a commendation to Tampa
09:23:34 General Hospital on behalf of City Council honoring and
09:23:39 recognizing their transplant program.
09:23:42 And we have some members of the staff at Tampa General as
09:23:46 well as LifeLink, and Tampa General we have the executive
09:23:53 vice-president team operating officer, Dr. Victor Bowers,
09:23:58 Dr. James Huang, Dr. Walicki, and from LifeLink, Jean Davis,
09:24:09 executive vice-president.
09:24:10 I would like them all to come up to receive this
09:24:13 And I am just going to read very briefly from part of it.
09:24:19 500 organ transplants were successfully performed in 2011 at
09:24:23 Tampa General Hospital making Tampa General the fourth
09:24:27 busiest transplant center in the entire country.
09:24:31 With their tireless dedication and preservation of life,
09:24:34 Tampa General Hospital has helped put Tampa in the national
09:24:37 spotlight as a leader in organ transplants, and it is my
09:24:41 great honor and privilege to present this commendation to
09:24:45 TGH, and thanks very much to everyone for work well done.
09:24:57 [ Applause ]
09:24:58 >> Thank you very much, Mr. Cohen.
09:25:04 It's been an interesting 20-some years here in Tampa, and to
09:25:08 see what a wonderful program has developed from the
09:25:11 transplant standpoint, and so richly supported by the Tampa
09:25:15 General Hospital, the LifeLink foundation, providing us with
09:25:19 an opportunity to provide help to the many people in need
09:25:24 and all of our donor families who provided the organs for
09:25:27 possible transplantation.
09:25:29 So I thank you for your recognition, and I thank everyone in
09:25:32 the community for their support.
09:25:34 And my team, I really don't belong to be here, but they have
09:25:38 asked me to speak, and so these represent just a few of the
09:25:43 thousands of people that help get the job done.
09:25:47 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
09:25:55 [ Applause ]
09:25:58 Item number 4, we have Mr. Scott Donnelly for our
09:26:09 representative Dana Young and Arthenia Joyner.
09:26:29 You're up.
09:26:45 >>> My name is Scott Dudley with the Florida League of
09:26:55 Cities, the legislator director of the League of Cities and
09:27:00 I am honored to be here first of all to thank you for your
09:27:03 service to the City of Tampa.
09:27:05 We recognize that the League of Cities, where the rubber
09:27:09 meets the road, is here at the city government level and we
09:27:12 appreciate your efforts on behalf of your citizens.
09:27:15 That's what we are here for.
09:27:17 The other big issue that the League of Cities is constantly
09:27:20 engaged in is fight for home rule.
09:27:23 That's the level of government closest to the people that
09:27:26 should be making decisions that affect the citizens.
09:27:29 And you know that first hand, and we appreciate your efforts
09:27:33 on that.
09:27:34 A lot of times, legislators get to Tallahassee and they
09:27:39 forget that part of the Constitution, it's Constitutionally
09:27:43 guaranteed provision that says local government, cities have
09:27:47 home rule authority, and legislators get to Tallahassee and
09:27:50 they forget that.
09:27:50 Today I'm here to present an award to two legislators did
09:27:56 that did not forget that.
09:27:57 They have been friends to local government, they have been
09:27:59 friends to cities in particular.
09:28:04 They have worked behind the scenes, sponsored bills,
09:28:07 amendments, lobbied their fellow members on issues of
09:28:10 concern to cities.
09:28:13 So the League of Cities is pleased to presents to
09:28:18 representative Dana young and senator Arthenia Joyner an
09:28:23 award known takes legislative appreciation award from the
09:28:25 League of Cities.
09:28:26 And with that.
09:28:38 We very much appreciate everything you have done for us.
09:28:42 We appreciate your work very much.
09:28:43 >> Thank you.
09:28:45 [ Applause ]
09:28:46 I thank the League of Cities for this award but I am just
09:28:55 doing what you guys expect me to do, that when I go up and
09:28:59 advocate for the people of that I remember, that the City of
09:29:01 Tampa is as he said where the rubber meets the road.
09:29:07 And I have never been a local elected official, but I'm not
09:29:10 happy when I see all the unfunded mandates that we send down
09:29:13 to you.
09:29:14 And because of our efforts to undermine and take away some
09:29:18 of your independence, consequently, I find it necessary to
09:29:23 be grump, and on your behalf is my behalf and all of the
09:29:30 citizens of this great city, and thank you for allowing the
09:29:35 League of Cities to make this presentation at this time, and
09:29:39 just know that I will always be there in the forefront of
09:29:43 the fight for the citizens of Tampa and Tampa City Council.
09:29:47 Thank you.
09:29:51 [ Applause ]
09:29:57 >> Thank you.
09:29:58 Did you an excellent job on a bill of reclaimed water that
09:30:01 clarifies the role of local governments, water management
09:30:05 districts, and just generally open the door to the League of
09:30:09 Cities, and we appreciate your efforts.
09:30:13 Thank you.
09:30:14 [ Applause ]
09:30:15 >> Thank you League of Cities.
09:30:22 Thank you, Scott.
09:30:22 And I just want you all to know what an honor it was for me
09:30:26 to be able to work so closely with the mayor and with all of
09:30:30 you on this water bill.
09:30:33 There have been a lot of bills that senator Joyner and I
09:30:35 have worked on together.
09:30:36 And people say, where are they from?
09:30:42 No one ever has to wonder where we are from, because we wear
09:30:45 it like a neon sign on us every day, and we are always
09:30:52 touting the City of Tampa and looking to bring a lot of the
09:30:54 big government issues from Tallahassee and put them more in
09:31:00 your lap to make the decisions here.
09:31:02 And I think the closer we can get the decision making to the
09:31:05 people that are directly affected by it, the better.
09:31:08 So we are going to keep fighting for you.
09:31:10 And it's truly my honor to work for you.
09:31:12 Thank you.
09:31:13 [ Applause ]
09:31:24 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Ms. Capin?
09:31:27 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Yes.
09:31:27 I would like to say something to senator Joyner, that she is
09:31:34 a trailblazer, and as I know, many people who turn out to be
09:31:39 trailblazers never intended to be trailblazers.
09:31:42 They are just natural leaders.
09:31:44 And you have shown that both in the house and in the Senate
09:31:48 with your outspokenness and your determination to do the
09:31:52 right thing at all costs.
09:31:54 And we thank you very much for your service.
09:31:58 [ Applause ]
09:32:06 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: To both of you young ladies, thank you
09:32:08 that your heartbeat is always for your citizens that you
09:32:11 Thank you all very much.
09:32:14 [ Applause ]
09:32:16 We now go to item number 5, council member Lisa Montelione
09:32:21 will handle that.
09:32:21 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Good morning, everyone.
09:32:33 It is my privilege to present a commendation to Shannon
09:32:38 A few months back I had the honor and privilege of serving
09:32:42 as a judge along with the brightest minds in planning and
09:32:49 architecture from around the world which included our own
09:32:53 Ray Chiaramonte from the Planning Commission, he and I
09:32:57 represented the local opinion.
09:32:59 Shannon put countless hours, a lot of hard work and
09:33:05 dedication into bringing Restitch Tampa to USF and the City
09:33:14 of Tampa.
09:33:17 Shannon was forward thinking in that her design competition
09:33:22 was a planning vision to bring the liver into the City of
09:33:27 Tampa, and how our river should be celebrated, and how we
09:33:32 should clearly reconnect the downtown with our glorious
09:33:39 And we recognize you today for your forward-thinking vision
09:33:44 in organizing restitch Tampa, a design competition which
09:33:47 reconnects Tampa's downtown back to the Hillsborough River
09:33:51 Under your leadership, over 40 creative submittals from
09:33:55 groups all across the country and the globe looked to
09:33:59 transform the city's core into a more livable and
09:34:02 ecologically cohesive design.
09:34:04 Your work has helped captivate our imagination to the
09:34:07 limitless possibilities of our city's true potential.
09:34:12 And you are forward thinking, because this was prior -- the
09:34:18 competition started prior to the city and the mayor
09:34:21 announcing their downtown planning, and I was so impressed
09:34:30 that we had winners -- there were three winners.
09:34:33 The furthest came from Mumbai, flew 22 hours to come here to
09:34:39 Tampa to accept his award.
09:34:40 Another came from Germany.
09:34:42 And the third winner flew in all the way from New York.
09:34:47 Imagine that.
09:34:47 We also have home grown talent, and an honorable mention
09:34:53 went to a planning design team from New Port Richey.
09:34:56 It was just incredible.
09:34:57 And Shannon, you and your team over at USF put in so much
09:35:04 And I just wanted to recognize you on behalf of the city to
09:35:09 congratulate you on your accomplishments.
09:35:11 >> Thank you very much.
09:35:12 Thank you.
09:35:13 [ Applause ]
09:35:19 I would like to thank everyone very much for this tremendous
09:35:23 And it is my sincere hope that the ideas and the imagination
09:35:27 from this competition do get implemented in some way.
09:35:31 And I look forward to seeing that.
09:35:33 Thank you.
09:35:34 [ Applause ]
09:35:42 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Item number 6 on the agenda will be done
09:35:45 by Yolie Capin.
09:35:55 >>YVONNE CAPIN: It's my privilege and my pleasure to present
09:36:11 this next commendation.
09:36:16 I'm going to tell you a little bit about how this
09:36:18 organization started.
09:36:21 It's hope for warriors, and it's a national -- a nonprofit
09:36:30 and started by the -- funded by military wives and organized
09:36:34 in 2006.
09:36:38 This commendation, hope for warriors, was founded in 2006
09:36:44 and has a mission, enhancing the quality of life for U.S.
09:36:47 service members and their families who have been adversely
09:36:50 affected by injuries in the line of duty.
09:36:54 Again, military wives, remained in their dedicated hands,
09:37:04 through family reintegration efforts, needs assistance and
09:37:09 involvement in individual case management, hope for the
09:37:12 warriors developed a professional and personal plan
09:37:16 customized to individual needs.
09:37:19 Tampa City Council recognizes this effort of the Tampa unit
09:37:23 of the hope for the warriors, and their record of helping
09:37:26 our service members and their families who have suffered in
09:37:35 defending our country and wish them continued success.
09:37:37 This date, the 7th of June 2012.
09:37:41 I would like to introduce to you Hope For Warriors, Mirka,
09:37:53 director of the Tampa division.
09:37:54 And Mirka, I just read the entire commendation.
09:38:01 And I know you have others to introduce.
09:38:03 Mirka I do.
09:38:06 I would like to introduce Jessica Bowers, program director
09:38:13 with me here in Tampa.
09:38:14 [ Applause ]
09:38:19 Mr. Chairman and City Council members, thank you so much for
09:38:21 this honor.
09:38:21 I also have to mention Mr. Jim Reiss.
09:38:29 I don't know how we found you, how you found us, but you
09:38:32 have been an angel to us and thank you for the support, all
09:38:36 the members.
09:38:38 I have only been in Tampa for three years.
09:38:39 Jessica has been here for two.
09:38:41 We are military spouses ourselves who were moved here due to
09:38:44 military orders.
09:38:45 We both hope to make Tampa our long-term home.
09:38:47 We don't ever want to leave.
09:38:49 I can't tell you what the support of this city to our
09:38:53 nation's heros means to us who are blessed not to have
09:38:56 injured service members as husbands, and just the support
09:39:00 you give the military in general.
09:39:02 Thank you very, very much.
09:39:04 We can be found, we do have an office on South MacDill
09:39:13 I will stay around if anybody has any questions but thank
09:39:16 you very much.
09:39:18 [ Applause ]
09:39:25 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: The next item number 7 will be handled by
09:39:35 Mr. Frank Reddick.
09:39:37 >>FRANK REDDICK: Thank you, Mr. Chair.
09:40:03 I ask Mr. Robinson come forward.
09:40:05 Chair, this is a special day for the City Council.
09:40:11 This is the first time I can recall that we have a gentleman
09:40:16 that stands before us that deserved under four presidents of
09:40:25 this great country, Mr. Robinson, and it is such an honor to
09:40:28 have him here this morning, and because of his love for
09:40:37 students, he had opportunity to stay retired, but he had a
09:40:44 love and fascination for students.
09:40:46 And I just want to say to Mr. Robinson, who grasped the
09:40:59 importance of education, and for a gentleman who in 1950
09:41:03 enrolled in bluefield state college in West Virginia, where
09:41:09 he learned he didn't have enough money to pay his tuition,
09:41:16 arrived to the train station to return home, Mr. Robinson
09:41:20 was picked up by a man who told Mr. Robinson he was the
09:41:30 school principal.
09:41:33 He arranged for Mr. Robinson to get a home meal and a night
09:41:38 sleep in a dormitory.
09:41:39 He told him to show up in his office the next morning.
09:41:45 The next morning, the president enrolled Mr. Robinson and
09:41:48 gave him a tuition assistance and a job.
09:41:53 Now, throughout all of this, he continued to have his love
09:42:00 for students.
09:42:01 And in 1970, his career began when he was appointed special
09:42:12 assistant to minority economic development under Virginia
09:42:15 governor Holton, becoming the first African-American to
09:42:21 serve on the governor's staff, and liquor inspector and
09:42:30 helped put down a prison riot, the first black prison
09:42:36 This is an outstanding gentleman.
09:42:39 President Nixon appointed Mr. Robinson to be to the
09:42:43 president's committee on mental retardation.
09:42:48 President Gerald Ford appointed him to director of peace
09:42:52 corps in Kenya.
09:42:55 President Ronald Reagan made him assistant director, deputy
09:42:58 assistant secretary for African-American affairs which sent
09:43:03 him to 65 countries.
09:43:06 President George H. W.with space gave him a program clean up
09:43:16 parks and waterways.
09:43:18 He worked in the private sector, once helping manufacturers
09:43:26 bring hope to children of Apartheid in South Africa.
09:43:30 He was so accustomed to getting up and getting to work, that
09:43:34 I would get up, put on my suit and tie.
09:43:42 He retired in 2002 at age 69.
09:43:49 And he retired just recently in May as a teacher at Sligh
09:43:55 middle school.
09:43:56 It's our honor and distinct pleasure to have such a distinct
09:44:00 gentleman standing before us, and I must say, he is also a
09:44:08 member of my fraternity, Omega PSI.
09:44:16 [ Applause ]
09:44:22 Mr. William Robinson and the principal of Sligh middle
09:44:25 school, and Dr. Chinnel, she has done such wonderful things
09:44:36 in her state as principal, and wanted to recognize you for
09:44:41 And Mr. Robinson, sir, to present this commendation to you
09:44:47 on behalf of Tampa City Council.
09:44:52 >> Thank you so very much, Councilman Reddick, members of
09:45:25 the council.
09:45:29 God is good all the time and all the time God is good.
09:45:33 Had it not been for God the president of bluefield state
09:45:36 college would not have been the individual who picked me up
09:45:38 when I was on my way home because I didn't have enough money
09:45:41 to register in college.
09:45:43 And it was that state that my true career started.
09:45:52 People ask me, how did you get to Tampa?
09:45:54 And I tell them, my wife loves Tampa, and I love my wife.
09:46:01 [ Laughter ]
09:46:01 But that has changed.
09:46:02 I still love my wife.
09:46:04 And indeed, do I love Tampa.
09:46:07 I have been able to work for the finest school system in the
09:46:10 country right here.
09:46:12 I have been able to work at the finest school in the country
09:46:17 at Sligh middle school.
09:46:18 And as the Councilman told you, yes, I worked for four
09:46:23 presidents of the United States.
09:46:24 In fact, worked for four presidents of the United States, my
09:46:29 children whom I teach can become president of the United
09:46:33 And I expect them to do that.
09:46:39 I lived long enough to see some of the children whom I
09:46:42 taught in Roanoke, Virginia, become members of the Roanoke
09:46:47 City Council, the Roanoke school board.
09:46:50 In a few years I hope to see some of the students I have
09:46:54 here be a member of this great council and members of the
09:46:57 school board here.
09:46:59 I want to thank you so very, very much for honoring me
09:47:05 today, because as you honor me, you truly honor my children,
09:47:10 because my children, our children, are the future not only
09:47:17 as far as Tampa is concerned, but the State of Florida and
09:47:20 this great country in which we live.
09:47:22 Thank you and God bless you.
09:47:24 [ Applause ]
09:47:28 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much, Mr. Robinson.
09:47:34 And I did read your resumé that Councilman Reddick passed
09:47:38 around yesterday.
09:47:39 And thank you for who you are, what you have done, and how
09:47:42 you helped many people on the path to the right way of life.
09:47:47 I can also say that to retire at age sixty-something, I am
09:47:53 not going to say what it was, you came back, though.
09:47:57 I didn't want to say how old you were, see.
09:48:00 But you are a top individual.
09:48:04 Thank you so much for everything you have done.
09:48:05 >> Thank you very much.
09:48:07 [ Applause ]
09:48:08 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Coming here this morning I saw a good
09:48:22 bunch of citizens come in and I appreciate that very much,
09:48:24 and I imagine that has to do with items on the agenda.
09:48:27 So as we approve the agenda, the public will speak after
09:48:30 that, and we'll see what they have to say.
09:48:35 Approval of the agenda.
09:48:37 Items that are going to be pulled should be talked about
09:48:41 And so forth.
09:48:43 Ms. Capin wanted the floor.
09:48:44 She has it.
09:48:46 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Chairman Miranda, I would like at this
09:48:49 moment to bring forth -- because it's not new business, it's
09:48:54 old business -- a response to a motion and a letter that
09:48:58 City Council sent to commissioner Murman from April
09:49:06 20th, and I would like to go ahead and have that -- give
09:49:12 that response now.
09:49:14 Or that report.
09:49:17 The report is dated April 19th, and the motion for those
09:49:21 of you who are not aware that Sandra Murman, member of the
09:49:25 chronic homeless solution committee, be asked to add a
09:49:29 member to Tampa City Council to the committee in order to
09:49:31 attend and observe the meeting of the committee.
09:49:34 Motion carried with Montelione voting no.
09:49:37 The motion, the above motion was clarified by council member
09:49:44 Capin who will contact Sandra Murman regarding this matter,
09:49:48 and motion carried.
09:49:51 I did meet with commissioner Murman on May 22nd and the
09:49:56 response to the letter from commissioner Murman, we formally
09:50:02 were requesting a member of Tampa City Council be added to
09:50:05 the committee of homeless solutions.
09:50:07 Up until that point we have not formally asked anything.
09:50:14 I met with Ms. Murman and another member of the committee to
09:50:18 stop chronic homelessness.
09:50:21 Quickly, she first explained the pilot program and project,
09:50:26 stating that community development, block grant funds were
09:50:29 being used for this project at a cost of $2.1 million to
09:50:34 purchase and rehab 24 units building, that averages to
09:50:39 84,500 per unit, and the county will be providing the
09:50:45 $200,000 annually for support services, and no private
09:50:49 dollars were solicited or offered to be used for this
09:50:53 project at this time.
09:50:55 Maybe in the future if the project proves successful.
09:50:58 Ms. Murman denied ever stating that the mayor requested no
09:51:01 council member or members be excluded.
09:51:04 I told her that was a concern of mine because it would be
09:51:06 the same as if Mr. Merrill directed a committee not to
09:51:11 include county commissioners.
09:51:13 She said that no one was intentionally excluded from the
09:51:17 As a matter of fact, it is very important to the committee
09:51:20 to be inclusive and have the community involved.
09:51:23 And she added that city staff had been present at the
09:51:27 And I reminded her that we are not city staff, we do not
09:51:31 work for the mayor, we are a separate arm of the city
09:51:34 government, and the council was nonetheless excluded from
09:51:38 the process.
09:51:39 However, if this part of the project that is scheduled to
09:51:43 open this fall may be in October and is deemed successful,
09:51:47 then the committee will be looking to do more rehab for
09:51:50 housing in the near future, including the city, and we would
09:51:56 very likely be asked for funding.
09:51:58 I did state to her that council's formal request to be
09:52:03 included was very late in the process because we requested
09:52:06 information from city staff month after month and none was
09:52:10 Conclusion: Ms. Merman assured me that when the task force
09:52:16 reconvenes to discuss the next phase of the committee
09:52:18 homeless housing initiative, City Council will have a seat
09:52:21 at the table.
09:52:23 I understand -- and this is just -- I understand that there
09:52:27 is an article about this very project in today's issue of
09:52:31 creative loafing.
09:52:32 And that concludes my report on the letter.
09:52:36 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
09:52:36 We now go to public comments.
09:52:39 Ms. Montelione.
09:52:39 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Thank you.
09:52:41 I want to thank council member Capin for following up on
09:52:44 that, and as Councilman Reddick said, I am always good for a
09:52:51 The homeless coalition has embarked on the update for the
09:52:54 ten-year plan, and I urge everyone to go to the homeless
09:53:01 coalition's Web site, which I can't repeat off the top of my
09:53:05 head, it's homeless coalition HC, I believe, for
09:53:11 Hillsborough County, DOT org.
09:53:15 But if you Google "homeless coalition" you will go to their
09:53:19 Web site.
09:53:20 And everyone who would like to have a voice on how we
09:53:23 address the issues of homelessness going forward for the
09:53:26 next ten years, please take the survey.
09:53:29 It is very important.
09:53:30 You can also contact my office.
09:53:32 I am sitting on the steering committee for that effort.
09:53:36 And everyone needs to have a voice in how homelessness is
09:53:42 addressed in this city.
09:53:45 And, again, please go to the homeless coalition's Web site
09:53:49 and take the survey.
09:53:50 Thank you.
09:53:54 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
09:53:58 I am not going to have a debate on this issue unless it goes
09:54:01 to new business.
09:54:03 People are here and they need to be heard.
09:54:05 >>YVONNE CAPIN: It's know it a debate, it's clarifying.
09:54:07 The motion that I read is a separate entity from the
09:54:11 homeless coalition, and I just wanted to make that clear.
09:54:17 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much both of you.
09:54:18 All right.
09:54:18 I need approval of the agenda.
09:54:21 People that are going to speak on any item on the agenda
09:54:23 other than those set for public hearings.
09:54:27 I have a motion by Mr. Suarez, second by Mr. Reddick, I
09:54:31 believe items.
09:54:34 Mrs. Montelione had two items you wanted to pull?
09:54:37 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Yes, sir, 44 and 45.
09:54:40 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I see some people on both sides of the
09:54:42 aisle for number 66 so I am not pulling that.
09:54:45 I know they are going to be addressing item 66, because I
09:54:49 think I know both sides of the issue.
09:54:52 All right.
09:54:54 All in favor of the motion please indicate by saying aye.
09:54:57 Opposed nay.
09:54:58 The ayes have it unanimously.
09:54:59 We go to public items, 30 minutes for items that are -- to
09:55:04 speak on the agenda, first items that are on the agenda,
09:55:08 left to right.
09:55:08 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Mr. Chairman, I received a speaker waiver
09:55:34 form, although pursuant to council's rules, the speaker
09:55:37 waiver form is only available for public hearings, it's not
09:55:39 available for public comment.
09:55:42 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Right.
09:55:42 >>MARTIN SHELBY: So Mrs. Cosentino, that doesn't apply in
09:55:49 this case.
09:55:50 >> Good morning.
09:55:51 Fran Costantino, 2551 East 11th Avenue.
09:55:54 We are probably going to have a rerun of what you have
09:55:57 already seen, but for the record -- I don't know if somebody
09:56:01 can work this Elmo for me.
09:56:05 We have letters of recommendation from the Tampa Bay History
09:56:06 Center recommending that we change the sign to the proper
09:56:12 spellings of La Septima.
09:56:19 We have a letter of support from La Gaceta newspaper who we
09:56:23 traced back all the way to like the early 1920s and could
09:56:26 not find any spelling whatsoever.
09:56:29 Also USF for Caribbean studies, a letter not in you all's
09:56:36 packet but I forwarded to you.
09:56:39 And then also a letter from La Septima cafe in Brandon
09:57:19 We have one book written by one man who when you go to his
09:57:24 index there is a bunch of items in the index that all refer
09:57:30 to just the spellings the way the signs read.
09:57:33 So I guess that's where he got his information.
09:57:36 And not one place in 466 pages is the correct spelling of La
09:57:42 Septima ever mentioned.
09:57:46 And I have loaned some books out.
09:57:50 And I'm missing another one.
09:57:52 But for your record so that you will know, here is an old
09:57:55 book published by Emilio Delrio, and in that book there are
09:58:07 many pictures, and under each picture, 7th Avenue -- and
09:58:12 I had it highlighted for you -- refers to it as La Septima.
09:58:22 And the images of the world, Ybor City, LaSeptima.
09:58:32 So all the references that we give you are from La Septima
09:58:51 spelled with a P, and he's listed as one of our number one
09:58:55 supporters to change it to the correct spelling.
09:58:57 I just wish that you indulge and we correct it.
09:59:02 I appreciate it.
09:59:03 Thank you for your time.
09:59:03 >> Next please.
09:59:03 >> (Off microphone)
09:59:03 >> No, this is not swearing ceremonies. You can swear at
09:59:03 us, but that's about it.
09:59:05 >> Kelly Daly, 2701 North 9th. I'm here to speak with city
09:59:28 council to do whatever you can to stop Trinity Cafe from
09:59:33 relocating to VM Ybor, and despite what Chairman Miranda
09:59:37 claimed the last time, I have walked away unhappy 100
09:59:40 percent of the time.
09:59:43 I cannot understand how the decision was made to allow
09:59:45 Trinity Cafe to call itself a restaurant.
09:59:46 This decision is going to so negatively affect 1700 or so
09:59:50 It was neglect on the part of the zoning administrator and
09:59:52 the city attorney to not consider the intensity of use that
09:59:56 the proposed plans call for, to not take into consideration
10:00:00 what is inherent in the cafe business mold, and to not take
10:00:03 into consideration the very obvious differences between a
10:00:05 restaurant and soup kitchen.
10:00:07 Assuming that they are coming to our neighborhood despite
10:00:09 the beings ohs from over 350 residents and business owners,
10:00:13 I am asking that trinity be held strictly to all building
10:00:16 codes and requirements as far as buffers.
10:00:19 They should not receive any breaks in this area.
10:00:22 The abutting property owner should be given full assurance
10:00:25 that this soup kitchen is not going to infringe on their
10:00:28 property rights in any way.
10:00:29 I am also concerned about the length of time it takes code
10:00:31 enforcement to work with rightful owners or to work with the
10:00:37 foreclosure in structures.
10:00:41 Illegal squatting, prostitutes Tuesday and other crimes, and
10:00:45 degradation of properties and neighborhood, in anticipation
10:00:48 of the hundreds of homeless people coming to our area daily,
10:00:51 I am asking that code enforcement be given the tools to help
10:00:53 speed up the process in securing these properties.
10:00:56 We have also been told that Trinity Cafe plans to keep the
10:00:59 property secure at night so even if there may be queuing
10:01:03 during the day, there are still people that queue seven days
10:01:09 a week.
10:01:09 I am asking to draft a an ordinance.
10:01:13 One only has to look at the current location to see the
10:01:15 prevalent problems including constant loitering,
10:01:18 accumulation of garbage in the immediate vicinity and the
10:01:21 lack of security to neighboring properties.
10:01:24 Why should tax moneys be used to deal with any of these
10:01:26 problems caused by this nonprofit?
10:01:28 Trinity Cafe should be able to manage these problems 24
10:01:31 hours a day seven days a week.
10:01:33 We have documented that these in VM Ybor around 2801 north
10:01:38 Nebraska Avenue.
10:01:39 We know our neighborhood intimately because we regularly
10:01:42 walk the area picking up garbage, and simply take an
10:01:46 interest in each and every house at each and every street
10:01:49 within our neighborhood.
10:01:50 I can assure you that we will be watching and documenting
10:01:53 every problem that comes our way due to the relocation of
10:01:55 Trinity Cafe will be brought to your attention as well as
10:01:58 that -- I'm sorry -- as well as the attention of Tampa's
10:02:04 police department, code enforcement, mayor's office and
10:02:06 anyone else who will listen.
10:02:08 If moving Trinity Cafe to mostly residential area was truly
10:02:12 going to bring great value to our neighborhood, Ken Jones
10:02:17 would have been clamoring to bring it closer to their home.
10:02:19 They apparently misjudged us.
10:02:24 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
10:02:24 Next, please.
10:02:25 >> Hello.
10:02:31 Just in case you are wondering, I am here because I think
10:02:34 this is such an important thing.
10:02:38 I'm here for the Trinity Cafe problem, and I think it is not
10:02:42 fair that our parents -- my parents and most of the other
10:02:45 people in VM Ybor think that it should not be in our
10:02:50 neighborhood, and we practically don't have a say, because
10:02:55 everybody is saying no, but Trinity Cafe is saying yes.
10:02:59 Thank you.
10:03:00 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
10:03:01 Next please.
10:03:02 >> Pete Johnson, 510 Harrison street, Trinity Cafe.
10:03:10 What are you going to do with it?
10:03:11 It slipped in.
10:03:13 There's nothing we can do.
10:03:15 It's legal.
10:03:17 There's nothing that code can do about it because it takes
10:03:20 code six months to a year to even bring a case to a board.
10:03:23 There's nothing TPD can do unless these people are breaking
10:03:28 the law.
10:03:30 Loitering is unconstitutional.
10:03:37 People can congregate wherever they want to.
10:03:44 Solid waste, all they can do is put out trash cans.
10:03:47 To be honest with you, this is going to be an albatross
10:03:52 around your neck for a long time.
10:03:54 You are going to hear about it for a very, long time.
10:03:57 I am just really surprised that the city, the staff, did not
10:04:02 catch this before it slipped through the cracks.
10:04:06 And has some kind of regulation for this.
10:04:14 When you have that amount of people between 6 and 900 people
10:04:18 a day coming in to one location, you are going to have a
10:04:23 And TPD is overbooked.
10:04:26 Code is short -- they are the smallest department in the
10:04:30 entire city.
10:04:31 And what's solid waste going to do?
10:04:34 Put out a cup of cans?
10:04:35 It's going to be a problem, folks.
10:04:37 Good luck.
10:04:40 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Next, please.
10:04:41 >> Ed Tillou from Sulphur Springs.
10:04:48 14, 16, 18 and 19.
10:04:52 With respect to item 14, that's a budgetary matter.
10:04:56 And item 2 is commendation of the budgetary department.
10:05:05 They are back at work.
10:05:06 They look to you for leadership.
10:05:08 And that's what I sent some materials around, 150,000 of
10:05:15 them now.
10:05:16 Now, the thing is in ten years it might be a million and a
10:05:18 half and ten years after that 15 million, in which case we
10:05:24 are enroute to 50 gigatrons coming out.
10:05:33 So this is very important to start prioritizing, getting
10:05:36 electric vehicles.
10:05:37 Hybrid vehicles are just good business sense.
10:05:39 But the thing is electrifying cars and natural gas for
10:05:43 trucks, because the day of the internal combustion engine is
10:05:47 pretty much passed and petroleum.
10:05:50 But there's lots of petroleum in Alberta.
10:05:53 And what we are talking about is 11 to 11.5-degree
10:05:57 Fahrenheit increase in temperature --
10:06:00 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Excuse me, stop the time.
10:06:01 >> I'm talking about --
10:06:04 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Stop.
10:06:05 I have got the floor now.
10:06:06 >> Okay.
10:06:07 I'm talking --
10:06:08 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have the floor.
10:06:09 Stop the time.
10:06:09 >> Okay.
10:06:12 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: $6,000 in public trust, item 16 is
10:06:14 161,000 for parks and recreation department, item 18 is
10:06:19 550,000 tax fund, city-wide.
10:06:23 Speak on those items, sir.
10:06:25 >> Okay.
10:06:27 I'm telling you about a general approach to budgeting.
10:06:30 We'll go to item 16 anyway.
10:06:33 Item 16 and 18 relate to planting trees.
10:06:36 Now, just across the street, down to Franklin Street mall,
10:06:44 these trees are cut down.
10:06:45 Now, I don't know if this is to roll out the red carpet to
10:06:49 people that detest green come the convention time, but why
10:06:52 did those trees go and why haven't then they been replaced?
10:06:56 Down at Nebraska there was a tree that used to shelter
10:06:59 people against the rain and the sun, and along came the city
10:07:03 making improvements to Nebraska Avenue, and now it's a solid
10:07:09 So people situating for 15 minutes, a half hour, in the
10:07:13 blazing sun.
10:07:15 So you talk trees but you do tree cutting.
10:07:21 Item 19.
10:07:23 I went to the Cuban sandwich festival and I couldn't get a
10:07:27 Cuban sandwich because I went to the booth and exactly the
10:07:32 same thing as the festival.
10:07:35 Now, I saw a long line for something and maybe it was
10:07:38 something for free because any time you see a line like that
10:07:41 it's something for free.
10:07:41 (Bell sounds)
10:07:43 I went to buy a Cuban sandwich at one of the booths and I
10:07:47 Just like I went from booth to booth looking for plants.
10:07:50 So the way these events have been done is not good.
10:07:54 I mean, it's good for people that don't have lives, they
10:07:57 want to wait in a line maybe and get something for free.
10:08:00 I was going to central Ybor, the movie house there, it's
10:08:07 very nice and it needs business, and I wanted to spend
10:08:10 You know what I'm saying?
10:08:12 So you have got to prioritize helping the merchants with
10:08:17 people spending money.
10:08:18 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thanks very much.
10:08:19 I appreciate it very much.
10:08:20 Next, please.
10:08:21 >> Donny Rhode, 412 Madison street.
10:08:28 First of all, in reference to the item that was sort of semi
10:08:30 added to the agenda relative to the mayor's statement
10:08:34 regarding the homeless task force as it was called at that
10:08:38 time, I was the person that made that statement to council
10:08:41 that commissioner Murman had made that statement to me.
10:08:46 I'm standing by it.
10:08:47 I'm prepared to take a lie detector or sodium pentothal on
10:08:52 the issue.
10:08:55 And the other thing was, at the time, in the regular chair's
10:09:00 absence, the acting chair didn't want me to explain the
10:09:05 statement in terms of its context because they were only
10:09:09 taking staff reports at the moment and just briefly to me.
10:09:14 I didn't consider it much of anything other than a non-event
10:09:17 but as you folks know, you have gone on the record several
10:09:20 times saying you guys are basically a zoning board and he is
10:09:24 running the City of Tampa.
10:09:25 That your job is to -- his job is to administrate.
10:09:32 Had he done his job I wouldn't be here talking about item
10:09:35 number 95.
10:09:35 95 is your letter to Santa Claus.
10:09:38 That's where it's gone.
10:09:40 The letter that you are going to send that the late date to
10:09:44 the legislature should have been sent a year ago with his
10:09:47 signature on it.
10:09:48 It didn't go.
10:09:49 Now you are asking for a special session of the legislature.
10:09:53 The only thing that I have to add to that suggestion that
10:09:57 you mail such a letter, mail it, please, to every single
10:10:01 member of the Florida legislature.
10:10:04 You might strike a spark somewhere and be able to draw a
10:10:08 special session.
10:10:09 That is the only thing that will cure it, because in our
10:10:13 state, unbeknownst to the mayor, the legislature determines
10:10:17 the firearm policy in the State of Florida, not to T
10:10:20 governor, not this City Council, and certainly not a mayor
10:10:24 that's not doing his job.
10:10:26 In reference to item number -- excuse me, item number 87,
10:10:36 please remember that in reference to the Trinity Cafe,
10:10:39 please remember that if you continue with overall homeless
10:10:44 interdiction program it will draw down the need for services
10:10:46 that are rendered by trinity and faith cafe and large
10:10:51 gathering places.
10:10:52 Thank you.
10:10:53 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much, sir.
10:10:54 Next, please.
10:10:54 >> My name is Kim Headland, 1001 East 24th Avenue and
10:11:01 I'm the president of the VM Ybor neighborhood association.
10:11:04 I am here again today to talk about Trinity Cafe, item
10:11:07 number 87.
10:11:08 We all know Trinity fulfills a very real need.
10:11:12 We all get that.
10:11:13 What is less clear is how the relocating of an at-risk
10:11:18 population to a dense residential neighborhood while
10:11:20 decentralizing social services is a good solution.
10:11:23 Trinity has already said they want to be great neighbors.
10:11:26 They haven't been good neighbors to Tampa Heights to date.
10:11:31 We have major concerns about this relocation.
10:11:33 Those concerns unfortunately are exasperated by the fact
10:11:36 that this city failed our community over and over again.
10:11:41 Never ending chronic seriousness zoning issues to a historic
10:11:44 pool that after millions of dollars still isn't usable by
10:11:47 the community.
10:11:48 We have lost faith in the city's ability to address the most
10:11:51 basic of issues.
10:11:52 So it's unclear how the city could possibly address issues
10:11:56 that arise from the relocation of 300 to 400 homeless every
10:12:01 day, being relocated in our community.
10:12:04 On a tiny urban parcel adjacent to single-family homes,
10:12:09 homes that folks lived in their entire lives, homes that
10:12:11 people have invested everything in.
10:12:13 We first contacted council and city administration one year
10:12:17 ago about these concerns, and while some of you don't
10:12:19 believe there's anything you can do at this point, there
10:12:21 still is.
10:12:22 There is plenty that could have been done a year ago, and
10:12:24 nobody acted on it unfortunately.
10:12:28 You can still address zoning as it pertains to social
10:12:31 You can still aggressively partner and pursue solutions to
10:12:37 the homelessness problem.
10:12:38 Most importantly you can look at some of these quality of
10:12:41 life concerns and figure out ways to best address them.
10:12:44 At recent meetings we asked residents and stake holders to
10:12:46 give input on impact on our community, requests have
10:12:51 included the addressing of queuing both trinity's current
10:12:54 operating model.
10:12:55 Nobody should of queue for 24 hours per day on private
10:13:01 property, for meals vouchers.
10:13:03 And to meet the city's definition of a restaurant, a
10:13:06 completely different operating model would be preferred
10:13:08 which is pay what you want or pay what you can restaurant
10:13:11 with normal restaurant hours, not a two-hour window.
10:13:14 Portable toilets I mentioned in the past are not an option,
10:13:18 no restaurant would ever be allowed to provide semi
10:13:22 permanent toilets in their parking lot, not acceptable in
10:13:25 our community.
10:13:26 A 6-foot masonry wall meeting city current code requirements
10:13:30 to be provided on the east and north sides of the property,
10:13:32 should be provided.
10:13:34 Unfortunately, land use waived this requirement back when
10:13:38 many residents especially those immediately jays ants.
10:13:41 Increasing the number of maintained trash and recyclable
10:13:45 bins on major corridors and allocating a clean city team to
10:13:48 sweep our community as they have to do daily.
10:13:52 Finally we would like to did request that the city produce a
10:13:55 report six months after this relocation, one of the impacts
10:13:58 and address any unforeseen issues that have come about.
10:14:01 Thanks for your time.
10:14:04 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Next, please.
10:14:05 >> Judy Greer, 13148 east 15th Avenue.
10:14:11 I'm coming from the street level since I am on the street a
10:14:14 lot in the Ybor area, and I have seen the impact already.
10:14:20 Picking up the water jars, water bottles that have been
10:14:24 tossed out from the overpasses.
10:14:27 Where they sweep.
10:14:28 Now, often there are mattresses up there in the overpass, as
10:14:33 I call it, try to have something done, chairs set up there.
10:14:37 There are homes set up there.
10:14:39 There is a bus stop on Columbus, where was erected as a
10:14:48 memorial to the Washington school.
10:14:50 And I have to constantly get in there and shove branches in
10:14:57 there so you don't have homeless guys living in the area
10:15:01 behind that shelter, and then using the bus stop itself as a
10:15:07 rest stop.
10:15:08 So you will see urine and feces.
10:15:11 You need to know from the street level what's going on.
10:15:14 I have had homeless guys threaten me, do damage to my house,
10:15:19 because I cleaned up areas where they were, quote-unquote,
10:15:25 Again, it's a top-down issue but from the street issue.
10:15:33 It's not just a legal thing.
10:15:37 It's a personal travesty what these people do.
10:15:40 And we are not talking about the legitimate, which I think,
10:15:48 we are talking about add-on.
10:15:55 It's a very selfish lifestyle.
10:15:57 I would like to live out in the bus stop, do nothing all day
10:16:00 and get support and get fed and go down and get my broken
10:16:04 arm attended to at Tampa General.
10:16:06 Unfortunately, I don't have those rights.
10:16:08 But, in I way, it's affecting my neighborhood insofar as the
10:16:15 streets, it's bad now before the cafe comes in.
10:16:22 I just hate to think what's going to happen when it actually
10:16:25 gets there.
10:16:25 Thank you.
10:16:27 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Next, please.
10:16:28 >> Susan Long, 921 East Broad Street.
10:16:34 I want to speak on two issues.
10:16:35 One is item 42.
10:16:36 Why on earth does it cost $190,000 to move code enforcement
10:16:45 to the German American building?
10:16:47 I am told they have to put bathrooms in.
10:16:51 Contractors say you can put in a huge bathroom for $37,000.
10:16:54 So say 190, really make it $40,000.
10:16:59 Why does it cost $150 to move them to the German American
10:17:04 I don't understand that.
10:17:05 There may be a valid reason, but I can't figure it out.
10:17:09 The other question I have, of course like everybody else,
10:17:12 item 87, the Trinity Cafe.
10:17:15 There is no way code is going to stop the problem at the
10:17:20 Trinity Cafe, or any other place similar to that.
10:17:24 If they go over and cite the cafe for allowing people to,
10:17:30 what, throw trash on the ground, litter, sleep under the
10:17:36 walkway, whatever it is?
10:17:37 Now they have cited the Trinity Cafe.
10:17:40 Somewhere, ten days later, if there's nobody there for that
10:17:44 day, it's done.
10:17:47 Now it starts all over.
10:17:49 Next day they go by, there's somebody doing whatever it is
10:17:52 they want to cite them for.
10:17:53 They go back ten days, two weeks later, there's nobody
10:17:57 there, it's okay.
10:17:58 It's an ongoing perpetual problem.
10:18:01 I'm on code bored.
10:18:03 I do not see that this will ever be resolved by code.
10:18:07 I also note the TPD is inciting people -- citing people for
10:18:14 putting litter or urinating on the street, when there's
10:18:19 somebody being murdered on the other side of town.
10:18:22 I don't see that happening.
10:18:23 Now even the Salvation Army, down in that area, I just don't
10:18:31 understand how you can expect residents who purchased their
10:18:37 home, put a lot of money into it, are going to be happy
10:18:42 about this.
10:18:42 It doesn't make any sense.
10:18:44 Thank you.
10:18:45 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you.
10:18:46 Next, please.
10:18:47 >> Good morning.
10:18:54 Councilman Miranda.
10:18:55 I'm Deacon Jenkins from New Salem Missionary Baptist church.
10:18:58 I'm here about item 72.
10:19:01 I do have some pictures.
10:19:08 The last time this was shown we weren't able to be here,
10:19:11 that shows --
10:19:12 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I'm sorry to interrupt.
10:19:16 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: That's a public hearing.
10:19:16 I'm sorry.
10:19:17 I said earlier that you could speak on anything other than a
10:19:20 public hearing.
10:19:25 It's quasi-judicial.
10:19:26 You have to be sworn in.
10:19:27 It's a little different.
10:19:28 We'll be with you in a few minutes.
10:19:33 Next, please.
10:19:44 Not on this.
10:19:44 >> Don't start my time yet, Mr. Chairman.
10:19:50 I have to get my glasses.
10:19:54 And away we go.
10:19:55 Good morning.
10:19:56 My name is Mario Nunez. I reside at 1509 Rocky Ledge Drive
10:20:02 in Tampa 33625.
10:20:05 Thank you for hearing our voices today takes co-host of the
10:20:08 Tampa Natives Show, the only show of its kind on the
10:20:10 Internet that has dedicated itself to preserving the
10:20:13 memories of the history of Tampa.
10:20:15 I come to you today to ask for your support. My great
10:20:17 grandmother came to Tampa as a young girl from Cuba in 1895,
10:20:23 my grandmother born in 1891, I was born at St. Josephs
10:20:29 hospital in 1983.
10:20:31 That's five generations.
10:20:33 My roots run deep and my pride unshakeable.
10:20:35 I stand before you as a member as a member of the group of
10:20:40 item number 4, on the CRA.
10:20:44 Let's not let us of being so boorish that we can't even
10:20:49 spell La Septima correctly, as the RNC comes to Tampa, not
10:20:58 Tampa Bay.
10:21:00 But people from New York, New Jersey, all across this great
10:21:04 land will be confused by this egregious area to. Consider
10:21:09 placement of signage to explain the intention of the
10:21:11 misspelling of La Septima is foolhardy at best and a
10:21:16 terrible misappropriation of funds at worse.
10:21:17 The time to act is now. In my life I never had anyone refer
10:21:21 to 7th Avenue in Ybor City as anything other than La
10:21:27 If we don't care enough to preserve what's truly accurate
10:21:27 and correct, what's next? A motion before City Council
10:21:28 could change the name of our city from Tampa to Tampa Bay.
10:21:32 When I grew up here Tampa Bay was a place where you went
10:21:35 fishing and crabbing.
10:21:37 La Septima is where you went with your dad to get a suit at
10:21:41 Max Sargentar or to watch them make Cuban sandwiches in the
10:21:42 window of the Silver Ring.
10:21:44 I have to go faster.
10:21:44 Where we went to do the banking business at the Broadway
10:21:48 When will this foolishness stop?
10:21:50 Lastly, on a personal note, the flag I am holding was given
10:21:53 to me by the late Marcello Maseda on the set of the Tampa
10:21:58 Natives show.
10:21:59 We lost that Tampa legend weeks later.
10:22:04 Marcella, this someone is for.
10:22:08 And as I don the hat of my brother who died, Michael White,
10:22:15 life-long Tampa, Hillsborough County resident and native
10:22:19 born at St. Josephs hospital in 1953.
10:22:23 I feel it's a crying shame that Tampa can't get the Spanish
10:22:26 spelling correct for 7th Avenue in Ybor City.
10:22:29 Even considering spending money for a sign to explain the
10:22:32 city mistake is beyond stupid. It's a crime.
10:22:35 Spend the money on fixing the sign.
10:22:37 Please don't make us all ridiculous.
10:22:39 The cover-up has gone in peace.
10:22:43 Michael, we miss you, we love you, we are sorry you left us
10:22:46 so soon.
10:22:48 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
10:22:49 Next please.
10:22:49 >> My name is Jeff Jeng, 3609 south Thatcher Avenue in
10:22:56 I'm here to discuss the Westshore waterway management
10:23:00 project which is a project that's getting ready to start.
10:23:04 I visited with some of you individually recently, and just
10:23:08 thought it was important to be here for the whole council to
10:23:10 discuss this.
10:23:11 There's a lot of history involved with this project going
10:23:15 back many years, and I don't want to waste time discussing
10:23:20 that, but briefly, in 2007, Mayor Iorio's staff put together
10:23:25 a plan to dredge the canals in Tampa and remove stormwater
10:23:28 runoff to make them navigable, and the staff wanted to do a
10:23:36 tax assessment for residents, and residents shouted that
10:23:38 down, basically saying the city should be responsible or at
10:23:41 least governmental agencies should be responsible.
10:23:44 Since 95% of the buildup is storm waters runoff on highways
10:23:48 and roads.
10:23:49 The city came back two years later, head of the stormwater,
10:23:56 and part to improve tidal flow, and this plan is to take
10:24:02 advantage of the $1.3 million grant that was available,
10:24:05 federal grant, and it drastically changed the mission of the
10:24:10 plan and the scope of the work to be done.
10:24:13 So where we stand today is this plan of 2009, which was
10:24:19 originally a budget of $2.3 million, and Mr. Walters spent
10:24:26 about $6,000 on design and consultant costs, so we are about
10:24:29 1.8 million so, 6 or 700,000 under budget for the plan as
10:24:37 The stormwater department has continued to keep moving
10:24:40 forward with this plan as designed and what's happening is
10:24:42 the primary purpose of removing the stormwater buildup,
10:24:47 improving wildlife habitat, making waters navigable, it is
10:24:53 generally gone by the wayside.
10:24:55 We have stormwaters, others to be partially dredged, and I
10:25:05 don't want to put bad money on bad money, and I guess I am
10:25:09 asking you to demonstrate some leadership and get involved
10:25:12 to look at this plan publicly, and discuss it, and
10:25:15 reprioritize it on a basic need.
10:25:20 (Bell sounds)
10:25:22 So with that, and also we have the funding.
10:25:26 Bottom line, we have the budget season is now, and there's
10:25:30 about a $600,000 deficit.
10:25:32 The original budget for the plan which accomplished the
10:25:36 overall goal was a little over 4 million.
10:25:39 I would ask that you at least fund the balance of this phase
10:25:43 one and look at developing a plan with the residents
10:25:47 There's been no residents involved in these plans.
10:25:49 And from the second phase.
10:25:50 Thank you.
10:25:50 >> Thank you very much.
10:25:52 Next, please.
10:25:52 >> Good morning, council members.
10:25:59 My name is Edward Neugaard, Carrollwood drive in
10:26:07 I lived in Tampa since 1964.
10:26:08 >>MARY MULHERN: First I would like to give my credentials
10:26:12 to speak to this item about the la controversy.
10:26:18 I have studied at the University of Mexico and university of
10:26:24 Barcelona. I studied Spanish at William and Mary for five
10:26:29 years write was professor of Spanish from 1964 to 2003, 39
10:26:34 I am now professor emeritus.
10:26:37 At USF I taught courses at Hispanic language, old Spanish,
10:26:43 Spanish -- I was visiting at university of professor Grenada
10:26:51 Spain, and also Brazil.
10:26:52 I was a Fulbright scholar to Spain.
10:26:55 I lived in Barcelona two years doing research.
10:26:58 I published five books and 40 articles in the field.
10:27:02 Now, most languages have spellings and pronunciations.
10:27:08 Here in Tampa we have Harbor Island within view.
10:27:13 Tires for cars, spelled with Y, and America's aluminum is.
10:27:20 (Speaking Spanish).
10:27:20 They say laboratory.
10:27:23 You say tomato, I say tomahto.
10:27:28 You have heard that one, I'm sure.
10:27:29 (Speaking Spanish)
10:27:31 All spelled with P, but usually not pronounced, at least in
10:27:36 Another example is tire in Spain spieled with P but usually
10:27:42 spelled or pronounced.
10:27:44 (Speaking Spanish)
10:27:45 For tire.
10:27:45 The spelling Septima is pretty much.
10:27:57 All Setima without the P.
10:28:02 The Spanish dictionary has both with P and without the P as
10:28:09 acceptable spelling variance.
10:28:11 The attempt to make Septima as uneducated is simply
10:28:16 erroneous, an attempt to rewrite the history of Ybor City
10:28:19 based ponying in accordance of the facts or personal bias.
10:28:23 I urge you not to make this unnecessary and uncalled for
10:28:27 Thank you.
10:28:29 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
10:28:31 I need to ask the council.
10:28:33 The gentleman with the brochures on his left hand will be
10:28:36 the next speaker.
10:28:37 I need an additional 15 minutes.
10:28:39 Motion by Mr. Cohen, second by Ms. Montelione for an
10:28:42 additional 15 minutes of public comment.
10:28:44 All in favor of the motion?
10:28:46 The ayes have it unanimously.
10:28:48 If you think you are going to need 10,000 greeters at the
10:28:51 airport you need 100,000 to tell us it's not YI-BOR, it's
10:28:59 Next, please.
10:28:59 >> Tampa City Council members, my name is Alice Bustelo,
10:29:09 4502 ranchwood lane.
10:29:10 I was a staff member of the Florida Hillsborough County
10:29:13 preservation board, research and designation on the Ybor
10:29:19 City national historic landmark district was written and
10:29:24 In the matter before us, I would like to quote from a letter
10:29:28 received from Joan Genoa who was actively involved in the
10:29:34 process and is a trustee emeritus in the national trust for
10:29:38 historic preservation.
10:29:40 And I quote.
10:29:42 Ybor City's landmark is not just for cigar factories, it
10:29:49 includes the culture of the people whereof tradition and
10:29:51 their -- La Septima is part of that cultural heritage.
10:29:59 End quote.
10:30:00 On a personal note, may I say that to many of us La Septima
10:30:06 is not just about a number, it represents a place.
10:30:11 And if I may say that as an 82-year-old woman, the first
10:30:16 time I ever heard the word Septima is when I enrolled in
10:30:21 Spanish class at Hillsborough high school in 1948.
10:30:24 Before that, I thought that the only word was Setima.
10:30:32 If you decide to replace these signs, please don't base your
10:30:36 decision on the use of a misspelled word.
10:30:40 La Septima was never misused nor misplaced but it is most
10:30:46 definitely a part of Ybor's cultural heritage, to replace
10:30:50 these signs with just the wording La Septima would be a
10:30:54 disservice to the memory of many of those early immigrants
10:30:57 and to those of us who still remember.
10:31:00 Why not highlight and celebrate the uniqueness of our
10:31:05 If you must clarify the usage of La Septima in some way, but
10:31:12 please think California carefully before you change what was
10:31:14 unique enough to merit a landmark district.
10:31:18 I can assure you that the federal government requires
10:31:21 extensive research and documentation before approving a
10:31:26 landmark district.
10:31:29 As a tested to the fact that there were only two landmark
10:31:33 districts in the state of Florida when Ybor City was named
10:31:37 as the landmark district.
10:31:39 Thank you.
10:31:42 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
10:31:43 Next, please.
10:31:43 >> My name is Fernando Salas, Harbor Drive in Carrollwood,
10:31:53 but I was born, raised and lived the first four decades of
10:31:57 my life right on La Septima.
10:32:01 My mother was a shop keeper and I lived upstairs, and for
10:32:05 many of them whether they were Cuban or Spaniard, la was the
10:32:12 normal usage of that word.
10:32:15 I say La Septima rather than Setima.
10:32:26 You say tomato and I say tomato.
10:32:32 Let's call the whole damn thing off.
10:32:35 I look at my opposition, and they are people that I know are
10:32:46 great supporters of Ybor City and of the heritage that they
10:32:53 The least thing that I would want is for the tempest to in
10:33:01 any way alter the dynamics of people that want to make 7th
10:33:06 Avenue -- there's a big "7" on it -- I mean, even
10:33:11 Republicans can see that -- (laughter) and it's one of the
10:33:16 few -- one of the few streets or avenues in Ybor that has a
10:33:24 If we want to go ahead, compromise, oh, yes, I'm a
10:33:29 compromiser, and I believe that we should satisfy purists,
10:33:32 and we should satisfy the nostalgia which I am very proud to
10:33:37 be a part of.
10:33:38 If we are going to make new signs, why not add seven more
10:33:45 7th Avenue.
10:33:51 Underneath Setima/Septima.
10:33:55 The preferred pronunciation and spelling, not necessarily in
10:34:01 But universally, whatever, Septima, and then in quotation,
10:34:07 Setima. And if you want to put a smiley face next to it or
10:34:10 a heart, I think it would be beautiful.
10:34:13 [ Laughter ]
10:34:14 But let's not lose the importance of the district because of
10:34:20 all the caca-foofoo about a name.
10:34:26 And thank you to my loyal opposition.
10:34:30 >> Now we know what show business is really all about.
10:34:36 >> Am I supposed to follow that?
10:34:37 I don't know.
10:34:38 Susan Clary.
10:34:39 My parents are at 4419 West Millers Avenue and I live at
10:34:43 1218 Carvelle Drive in Winter Park.
10:34:50 Thank you forgiving me the opportunity to stand before you
10:34:52 today to ask that you preserve the culture and heritage of
10:34:55 Ybor City by protecting La Septima sign.
10:34:59 I don't have a Ph.D. in languages and I am not author of any
10:35:03 history books.
10:35:03 I did, however, work as a journalist for many years in Tampa
10:35:07 covering the Latin communities and my parents names are
10:35:09 etched on the immigrants statue in Centennial Park.
10:35:13 Growing up I spent time among many legendary names in Ybor
10:35:18 I stood side by side with the Gonzmart founder of the
10:35:21 Columbia restaurant and served Spanish bean soup. I
10:35:25 listened to Cesar play the violin, and regale me with
10:35:28 stories of his believed Ybor.
10:35:30 I was enamored, to say the least.
10:35:33 La Gaceta editor seat with me for hours on a park bench and
10:35:39 showed me how to be a better writer.
10:35:41 I spoke with him at Tropicana, and by the restaurant founder
10:35:49 Tony Pizzo shared his knowledge with me.
10:35:52 I think about him every time I visit the statue in his name.
10:35:56 I was so proud that Sam nominated me to be his manic woman
10:36:01 of the year in Tampa.
10:36:02 No one could match his perseverance when it came to the
10:36:06 funds of the immigrant statue.
10:36:08 We have him to thank.
10:36:09 Looking back, those years were rich with many people who
10:36:12 worked hard all their lives to preserve heritage and the
10:36:16 deep passion they had for Ybor City.
10:36:18 Though we have lost them, we continue to treasure many
10:36:20 others who do not support this change.
10:36:25 The last great grandson of the city's father, and Spanish
10:36:33 leader founder, the oldest performing arts institution in
10:36:36 Tampa, historian Ybor son Frank Lastra.
10:36:43 And my own father, Frank Clary.
10:36:49 The signs represent the soul of the town.
10:36:52 Don't wipe away one of the things we will have left to make
10:36:54 us unique.
10:36:56 And please don't tarnish the memories of names like
10:36:59 Gonzmart, Montega, Lastra, Compalos, Nuccio and so many
10:37:09 Please reward their hard work for Ybor City and honor them
10:37:11 by not only saving the La Septima signs but have additional
10:37:17 signs and a plaque to memorialize all the immigrants who
10:37:20 called Ybor one of the only three national historic landmark
10:37:24 Please do not sell them total highest bidder.
10:37:30 He would have a heart attack.
10:37:32 This is a vote you are making for or against historic
10:37:35 Please vote for historic preservation.
10:37:41 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you.
10:37:41 Next, please.
10:37:42 >> Barbara Clary Zayas de Culbertson, 7509 North -- Avenue.
10:37:52 With my sister Susan, on behalf of our father Emmett Clary,
10:37:56 who could not be here today, I ask only the council consider
10:38:00 history instead of misplaced passion.
10:38:02 I have been a high school Spanish teacher in Florida for 18
10:38:05 years and for the past nine years have taken my upper level
10:38:07 Spanish students on a Saturday field trip to Ybor City.
10:38:10 My students are fascinated by the interlacing of cultures
10:38:13 that make this such a rich historical area and are in no way
10:38:17 confused by the Septima sign.
10:38:20 My father explains that the original Spaniards pronounced
10:38:26 and spelled the word as those in southern Spain.
10:38:31 Septima is not a misspelled word.
10:38:33 It is a regional accepted, and just last month was used in a
10:38:38 headline in Madrid, Spain, as well as in Peru and Columbia.
10:38:43 Since our language is dynamic and changes over time, this is
10:38:45 just one more way that our area is different than any other,
10:38:49 and it's helped earn Ybor City national historic landmark
10:38:53 Please do not water down Ybor City's history because it
10:38:57 takes a little more time to explain.
10:38:58 Like salami on a Cuban sandwich, it gives those who love
10:39:06 Ybor the opportunity to show what is unique from any other
10:39:11 area in our country.
10:39:12 Thank you very much for your time.
10:39:14 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
10:39:15 Next, please.
10:39:17 And this gentleman is the one that I chose earlier would be
10:39:21 the last one in line.
10:39:22 >> Yes, sir.
10:39:24 Frank Lastra.
10:39:26 I live in Georgia as well as Tampa.
10:39:32 I only have a page and a half to say so I will try to talk
10:39:37 Forgive me for talking fast.
10:39:38 Members of council, I am the son of Frank Lastra, now 89 who
10:39:42 initiated the La Septima signage, preservation from the
10:39:49 1970s to the mid 2000s, but if I listed every award he
10:39:55 was in or organization it would use my entire three minutes.
10:40:01 My father would restore Ybor City for the future and to
10:40:05 honor our immigrants forefathers and mothers through the
10:40:08 placement of the La Septima street signs.
10:40:11 He was a uniter, not a divider.
10:40:14 Neither he nor any of us are at war with anyone.
10:40:16 We have never said that Septima doesn't mean 7th but
10:40:21 what we do say is it means not only 7th but so much
10:40:27 It represents the heart and soul of Ybor City because it
10:40:29 pulsed through seventh Avenue.
10:40:32 Septima a 7 alone without any more meaning.
10:40:37 You can't simply remove Septima from the signage as if it
10:40:41 was another name on another street.
10:40:43 Surely this is not to respond to respond by erasing history.
10:40:48 To simply because some don't like the way it's word a word
10:40:52 is properly spelled is demeaning to our ancestors.
10:40:56 What's next, should we go to Harbor Island and make them
10:40:58 rechange their spelling H-A-R-B-O-U-R?
10:41:05 What about Grand Old Opry?
10:41:07 Is that wrong, too?
10:41:08 Members of council, we proven to you through our expert
10:41:11 witnesses that Septima is properly spelled word, it is
10:41:14 definitely not misspelled.
10:41:16 We told you about some of the wonderful culture and heritage
10:41:19 of our forefathers and mothers.
10:41:21 We have alerted you to the importance of preserving the
10:41:23 heritage of our landmark district designation that can be
10:41:26 lost if not maintained.
10:41:28 We have reminded you on several previous unanimous City
10:41:31 Council decisions in the past recognizing the legitimacy of
10:41:35 La Septima and we had to try to save over a 100 year history
10:41:38 and culture and heritage in just the few short minutes we
10:41:41 are given.
10:41:42 What more do we have to do?
10:41:44 Let me add in the past that I have included copies of
10:41:47 headlines of various countries using the word Septima even
10:42:00 I close with a paragraph from the last page of my father's
10:42:03 Ybor City, the making of a landmark town.
10:42:07 I quote.
10:42:07 In many towns in America would move mountains to have such a
10:42:10 history, not likely the national government designate this
10:42:13 national historic landmark district.
10:42:15 The future of Ybor City greatly depends on the defense of
10:42:18 its classification.
10:42:19 It must not be taken for granted.
10:42:20 The town needs men and women dedicated to its heritage,
10:42:24 beware of personal agendas.
10:42:25 When Ybor City is at a crucial point, it needs -- it needs
10:42:31 whistle blowers.
10:42:32 We stand before you as whistle blowers to protect our
10:42:40 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
10:42:41 >> I'm out of time.
10:42:43 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: We appreciate it.
10:42:44 I think we got both sides on this issue in our mind and
10:42:48 we'll see what happens as we get to it.
10:42:51 I had made some comments when we had the staff meeting on
10:42:53 Tuesday that I would try to get to the 10:00 reports at
10:42:56 about 10:00 so I am running about 40 minutes late.
10:43:00 And -- yes?
10:43:07 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Mr. Chair, I would like to let in my fellow
10:43:10 council members know that as chair of the transportation
10:43:13 committee, and item 66 is under that report and consent, I
10:43:17 will be pulling that for further discussion.
10:43:24 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Okay.
10:43:24 Motion by Ms. Capin, second by Mr. Cohen.
10:43:27 All in favor?
10:43:29 The ayes have it unanimously.
10:43:31 Let me go quickly, if I may, not too quickly to miss
10:43:35 anything, but I promise, although I said at staff meeting we
10:43:38 would try to get through by 10:00, so those that are here
10:43:42 that have to go to work for the good citizens of the city.
10:43:45 So we are going to do the 10:00 o'clocks if we may.
10:43:50 Item 81 is a resolution.
10:43:59 The certificate of a plaque.
10:44:01 Who wants to move the resolution?
10:44:04 I have a motion by Mr. Reddick to move the resolution,
10:44:06 seconded by Ms. Mulhern.
10:44:08 All in favor of the motion please indicate by saying aye.
10:44:12 The ayes have it unanimously.
10:44:15 Item number 82 is reports pursuant to council procedures,
10:44:21 and this is a domestic partnership registry affidavit.
10:44:26 And that has to be moved, right, city clerk?
10:44:32 Who wants to move 82?
10:44:34 Ms. Capin, do you want to move 82?
10:44:37 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Yes, sir, I will.
10:44:39 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Seconded by Mr. Cohen on number 82.
10:44:41 All in favor of the motion please indicate by saying aye.
10:44:43 The ayes have it unanimously.
10:44:48 Number 83, a resolution, proposition to general fund for
10:44:54 domestic registry to start it up.
10:44:56 I need a motion to move that.
10:44:57 I believe Ms. Capin.
10:45:00 Would you like to move item 83?
10:45:03 >>YVONNE CAPIN: So moved.
10:45:04 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Seconded by Mr. Reddick.
10:45:06 All in favor of the motion please indicate by saying aye.
10:45:09 The ayes have it unanimously.
10:45:11 Item 84.
10:45:14 Parks and recreation and the fire department to provide a
10:45:17 report for what they are doing here.
10:45:22 Yes, sir, do you want to speak to that?
10:45:24 >> Good morning.
10:45:30 We will certainly have the required by code.
10:45:36 Some examples could be --
10:45:41 >> His name is Greg Bayor, I think.
10:45:46 >> Yes, sir.
10:45:47 Greg Bayor.
10:45:48 Thank you.
10:45:48 >> I take an aspirin every day. All right.
10:45:54 I have Mr. Reddick move that.
10:45:58 Do we have a second?
10:46:00 Second by Mr. Suarez.
10:46:01 All in favor of that resolution, parks, recreation
10:46:05 department, for medical provisions be given along the route.
10:46:10 Motion made by Mr. Reddick, seconded by Mr. Suarez.
10:46:13 All in favor of the motion?
10:46:20 I said that and then I changed it.
10:46:21 I said resolution, then I said, no just a report from the
10:46:27 But I am going to take it anyway as a motion.
10:46:29 All in favor of the motion?
10:46:31 The ayes have it unanimously.
10:46:33 Item number 85.
10:46:35 The Parks and Recreation Department, for Williams park.
10:46:43 >> Greg Bayor, Parks and Recreation, real estate design,
10:46:53 The bid is out in August for the Williams pool and we will
10:46:56 have clean-out by next June.
10:47:00 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Any questions by council members on that?
10:47:03 >>FRANK REDDICK: Thank you, Mr. Chair.
10:47:06 The reason why I wanted to place this on the agenda for an
10:47:10 update, for two reasons, one, it bothered me to have a
10:47:20 reporter call me and inform me that the master plan was
10:47:26 already completed, and that there's a start date and
10:47:33 completion date and no one in my neighborhood knew anything
10:47:38 about it and we have been discussing this for months.
10:47:41 And I just gave the benefit of the doubt because you were
10:47:51 And we have residents in that community, in my neighborhood,
10:47:54 that are requesting information for months and months from
10:47:58 the Parks and Recreation Department, and we continue to get
10:48:02 e-mails back saying that they didn't have the information
10:48:07 available, they were still working on the design, then I get
10:48:11 a call from a reporter telling me that this was already
10:48:14 completed and already done.
10:48:15 Then I subsequently read in the paper, but no notification,
10:48:28 no meeting, any communication, even to this council, who
10:48:35 represent that area, that information, that this was done.
10:48:41 And knowing the fact this pool would be closed again for
10:48:44 another year and we just felt, just as a word of caution.
10:48:58 It's not good for City Councilmen or any elected official to
10:49:03 read, a call from a reporter that should have been made
10:49:07 That is not good.
10:49:16 A community that has -- has to read about it in the
10:49:24 And third, the problem I'm having is that I don't know if
10:49:32 staff had informed you -- and I know you knew -- I don't
10:49:36 know if staff had informed you of the update and upkeep
10:49:41 pertaining to this park and this pool, but I just want a
10:49:46 reference saying even when I met with you, the information
10:49:50 was not available, but a few days after I met with you, this
10:49:55 information becomes public.
10:49:58 By the reporter.
10:49:59 So I just want to say to you -- and just as a matter of
10:50:03 precaution -- I hope in the future that the board, I don't
10:50:06 get a phone call from a reporter before I pick up my daily
10:50:10 newspaper and read about it, if this information is
10:50:13 available, and I hope from this day forward that you will
10:50:17 provide us updates, provide the neighborhood update, because
10:50:21 we got people out there saying, what is the progress?
10:50:26 And it's not good when I drive through that neighborhood or
10:50:30 attend a neighborhood association meeting, that I can't give
10:50:33 them an update but they turn around an read it in the paper.
10:50:38 So this is a precaution to you, and I hope that we will not
10:50:42 have this on the agenda that we get this information brought
10:50:45 to us in the future.
10:50:46 >> Yes, sir, I fully support.
10:50:50 That communication will be our goal.
10:50:52 I understand there are two situations here.
10:50:56 These parts of the pool were pulled out of the master plan
10:50:59 to be accelerated, the master plan is under very preliminary
10:51:03 review and there will be several public meetings, and be out
10:51:06 there and be glad to give you a brief for the entire park.
10:51:11 >>FRANK REDDICK: Good. Thank you.
10:51:14 >> Any other council members?
10:51:15 We go to number 86, which is also a report on the Rowlette
10:51:28 >> Greg Bayor, Parks and Recreation. We have looked it
10:51:28 over. There are certainly safety concerns that have to be
10:51:35 done. We believe it is property to begin resurfacing.
10:51:40 We are going to take out an entire section.
10:51:43 We would like to begin with four 300-foot sections.
10:51:48 And walk with Councilman.
10:51:51 And about 20% of the park can be done this year.
10:51:53 So we'll fix the worst ones first.
10:51:56 >> And I appreciate that because I walk that park three to
10:52:04 four days a week and the problem with that facility -- and I
10:52:07 think I told you this -- you have got a lawsuit waiting to
10:52:12 Because if you go out there, and it's a heavily populated
10:52:18 park where people jog and walk all the time, and they run at
10:52:24 night, and when you got big potholes, and step in one of
10:52:32 those potholes and twist their ankle or do anything, you are
10:52:36 looking at a lawsuit.
10:52:37 And they are not getting smaller, they are getting bigger,
10:52:41 and I am pretty sure they are going to get worse since all
10:52:43 this rain is going on.
10:52:45 So I just want to bring to your attention that I don't care
10:52:52 if you put some sand on top of it or something, somewhere,
10:52:55 the holes have to be filled in order to avoid a potential
10:53:01 lawsuit, because it's wear and tear, and the problem is, and
10:53:09 they are not good when people see ware out there working
10:53:13 out, and even though it's here, but still trying to work it
10:53:20 out, and the problem is, they question me why is it so bad.
10:53:28 So I want to bring to the your attention, and hopefully you
10:53:30 make that a priority or something.
10:53:32 >> We con.
10:53:40 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Remember, Mr. Reddick, it's not what you
10:53:42 lose, it's what you are going to gain.
10:53:45 [ Laughter ]
10:53:48 >>HARRY COHEN: Because you are new, I wanted to add
10:53:53 It actually has to do more with the Williams park pool than
10:53:56 the Rowlette Park item.
10:53:59 But when I took the tour of oh some of the city's pools a
10:54:04 number of months ago, one of the things ways told is because
10:54:11 Williams park pool is closed, that young people were being
10:54:15 bussed to Cyrus green pool.
10:54:18 Cyrus green pool is not that large, and apparently last
10:54:21 summer people were taken there and then the pool was at
10:54:28 capacity so they had to sit on the sidelines and weren't
10:54:31 able to actually swim.
10:54:32 And so now that it's June, you know, I wanted to just tell
10:54:39 you that story, since only been here a few weeks, and ask
10:54:44 that you please look into whether or not the plans for
10:54:49 relocating kids to different pools have been adjusted to
10:54:52 summer to prevent a repeat of what I am told was a difficult
10:54:57 situation last summer.
10:54:57 >> I understand that.
10:55:00 And I know we are one in and one out, which probably works
10:55:07 better, but if we have to go further, we'll go further.
10:55:14 >>MIKE SUAREZ: One question.
10:55:18 I apologize.
10:55:19 I did not mention this before.
10:55:24 You said it but I didn't catch it and I apologize.
10:55:27 The start and completion date for the Williams park pool.
10:55:29 >> The bid is to be out in August and it will be open next
10:55:36 >> So the bid is this August for the project.
10:55:40 Has the consultant work already been done?
10:55:42 There was a master consultant agreement for all the pools.
10:55:46 Has that been completed? I think it was $300,000-something
10:55:53 >> I have read through it, and to give you an update, it
10:55:58 doesn't give an indication where to go in the future.
10:56:00 It's more about vision for the future.
10:56:03 >> And there hasn't been any a pen dumbs or anything else to
10:56:06 change based on findings or anything else, correct?
10:56:09 >> No.
10:56:13 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
10:56:13 That handles 85.
10:56:16 We go now to 87 which is a Tampa Police Department code
10:56:19 enforcement and land development.
10:56:30 Anyone here?
10:56:40 No one on 87?
10:56:41 I am not talking about your age.
10:56:43 >> Captain Burkhoff, reporting on our efforts towards
10:56:52 Trinity Cafe.
10:56:53 We have been working with budgeting zoning, ands our liaison
10:56:57 officer McDonald visited with Trinity Cafe and they wrote us
10:57:03 a letter on some of our concerns and how they would address
10:57:05 them which I would like to put into the record.
10:57:18 Just to highlight some of the concerns.
10:57:20 For example, they are not going to begin feeding until
10:57:24 But when the actual facility opens at 6 a.m. they are
10:57:28 willing to open their gate and allow people to wait inside
10:57:32 their property instead of on the sidewalks.
10:57:34 So they have addressed a lot of our concerns.
10:57:37 So when they come to fulfill that, that remains to be seen.
10:57:41 But I think as we move forward, get communications back and
10:57:45 forth between Trinity Cafe and our homeless liaison officer.
10:57:53 From our budgeting office, Julie would like to report on
10:57:56 this also.
10:57:57 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I just want to make a comment.
10:58:01 And this isn't just directed at you, but please, when
10:58:07 speaking of either the Trinity Cafe or any other social
10:58:11 service, we refrain why using the word feeding.
10:58:17 They are providing meals.
10:58:18 Feeding is what you do when you have cattle or when you have
10:58:23 horses or when I, you know, feed my pets.
10:58:30 We are providing meals to individuals.
10:58:33 And I really would appreciate some deference to those who
10:58:39 are less fortunate than ourselves and have to rely on social
10:58:43 services to provide basic necessities.
10:58:46 Thank you.
10:58:49 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
10:58:53 All right.
10:58:53 Land development, code enforcement.
10:58:55 Anyone else that wants to go on the record?
10:59:01 >>CATHERINE COYLE: Planning division.
10:59:02 We had met internally, different agencies, and we did talk
10:59:06 about previously in other reports about option force
10:59:09 different types of social services facilities, and we did
10:59:12 come up with some parameters.
10:59:14 Some are based on some of the traditions that Trinity Cafe
10:59:19 put in their letter to TPD but also looking at tighter
10:59:22 regulations, and there are different option force City
10:59:26 Council in dealing with the definition, and the potential
10:59:29 use of property.
10:59:32 If it's something you want to regulate in the future
10:59:35 Looking at the concepts for the definition of use, that it
10:59:40 might consist of a group of buildings.
10:59:53 That it would be limited to not-for-profit organizations as
10:59:57 opposed to for-profit organizations the difference being
10:59:59 that we already have public use facilities in our code as
11:00:03 defined use, which if the government was running a facility
11:00:08 like this, it actually would be allowed in any district.
11:00:10 So it would be privately run but not for profit.
11:00:14 Services could include food or meals.
11:00:18 Also the provision of clothing.
11:00:20 It should not include the sales of good or merchandise.
11:00:22 Obviously the sale of secondhand goods or merchandise is
11:00:25 considered a retail establishment, or the provision of
11:00:28 overnight shelter accommodations.
11:00:30 We already have Do have financial emergency shelters in our
11:00:33 And then it would be generally similar to public facilities
11:00:37 that we have, as I mentioned the public use facility,
11:00:41 commercial industrial district.
11:00:42 We have talked to you before about these types of uses, to
11:00:50 regulate them differently or overregulate them in certain
11:00:53 classifications dealing that they are dealing with a class
11:00:55 of people.
11:00:59 These are some of the potential use standards into the
11:01:02 concepts, looking at all facilities under fad, meals or
11:01:06 clothing, when you look at making sure there is on site
11:01:11 Similar to what we have in some of the overlay districts for
11:01:13 parking lots.
11:01:14 In and around convenience stores and restaurants and other
11:01:18 higher traffic, higher volume parking lot areas.
11:01:22 Also, facilities would not be allowed to queue people
11:01:26 extending from the property onto the public right-of-way.
11:01:29 Also providing permanent structural restroom facilities
11:01:33 on-site during all operational hours.
11:01:35 I think that gets to bun of the -- one of the issues that
11:01:39 was raised about Port-o-Lets.
11:01:41 Maintaining, potentially looking at maintaining distance
11:01:44 separations from other like facilities being public or
11:01:46 private, so you don't have a large concentration.
11:01:49 That could also go in the opposite direction.
11:01:51 You could also concentrate them potentially depending on the
11:01:58 Providing clothing, not retail sales, different options that
11:02:01 you can consider, general operating hours, operating days,
11:02:04 maximum square footage for building of the service area.
11:02:09 For places that actually serve food or meals, we broke it
11:02:14 into two different types.
11:02:15 There's on-site dining and then take away, where there's a
11:02:19 provision of a boxed meal.
11:02:21 On-site dining could you consider operational hours, days,
11:02:24 maximum square footage, number of patrons that could be
11:02:28 served per day, and maximum building, and there actually
11:02:32 will be an occupant load.
11:02:35 For takeaway, off-site consumption, more like a boxed meal
11:02:40 could you consider operating hours and days, maximum square
11:02:43 footage of the building and ultimately maximum number of
11:02:46 meals that would actually be served per day.
11:02:48 Those are just some of those concepts that you could
11:02:51 consider if you want to move forward with consideration of
11:02:54 that present facility.
11:02:55 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Ms. Coyle, on some of the issues that you
11:03:00 brought up, the key concepts -- and I want to go back to
11:03:04 some specifics in terms of the way that we have zoned a
11:03:08 particular property.
11:03:09 So we have talked about trinity, under a restaurant code, so
11:03:13 to speak.
11:03:14 If I recall correctly.
11:03:15 Is that correct?
11:03:16 >> Yes.
11:03:18 For parking purposes it was determined --
11:03:21 >> When you talk about restaurants, any restaurant, when we
11:03:24 talk about queuing standards, what are the queuing standards
11:03:26 that we typically use for folks that have a very popular
11:03:31 restaurant that people are on-site?
11:03:34 I know you brought up some of those concepts you just
11:03:37 What is our role in terms of making sure, other than them
11:03:42 providing police like we do for other venues that have a lot
11:03:48 of people that want to go there?
11:03:50 Is that something that can be done now?
11:03:52 Because I think the concept, if I am not mistaken, the cafe
11:03:56 is already grandfathered in.
11:04:00 We won't rezoning them per se into another level.
11:04:04 It's just for any future uses of this type, correct?
11:04:07 >> That's correct.
11:04:08 It's looking at how we look at them in the future.
11:04:13 >> Let's get back to the restaurant.
11:04:16 In terms of restaurant use when someone has this very
11:04:19 popular place, can we require that police coverage be there
11:04:22 in order to make sure that crowd is controlled, maintained,
11:04:26 whatever we want to call it, as part of our land use?
11:04:32 >>CATHERINE COYLE: We do have on-site security requirements
11:04:33 for different uses like you said in certain districts in the
11:04:37 It's something we could explore with legal to make sure that
11:04:39 we could actually apply it to certain --
11:04:42 >> And we could apply to the those facilities that are
11:04:45 already in existence currently, corrected?
11:04:48 If we change --
11:04:51 >>CATHERINE COYLE: No, because those permits have already
11:04:53 been issued.
11:04:55 >>JULIA COLE: If the use is established we would not be able
11:04:58 to apply the regulations retroactively.
11:05:01 It would just be applicable proactively to a new facility.
11:05:05 >> Then let me kind of muscle this in my -- mull this in my
11:05:13 If I have a restaurant somewhere in the City of Tampa, and
11:05:15 they become a very popular restaurant for whatever reason,
11:05:18 it's been there, already been zoned as a restaurant, already
11:05:21 zoned as a restaurant, but now they have a queuing problem,
11:05:24 there's nothing that we can do as a City Council to try to
11:05:26 make sure that the queuing is not providing any kind of
11:05:29 problem, to rights-of-way or safety or anything else?
11:05:33 >> If what you are talking about is restaurant as a general
11:05:38 >> I mean, there are other opportunities through business
11:05:43 regulation code which you could carve out a category, and
11:05:48 regulate certain parts of the use.
11:05:50 But if you are talking about queuing in the right-of-way,
11:05:52 not withstanding whether or not that restaurant has already
11:05:54 been established, we could regulate the use of our
11:05:57 right-of-way in a different manner, and we could certainly
11:06:00 looking look at amendments to our right-of-way code, but in
11:06:02 terms of what we are talking about, something very specific
11:06:06 in social service facilities and creating that new
11:06:09 definition --
11:06:10 >> I'm not talking about social service facilities right
11:06:12 I want to talk about restaurants per se.
11:06:16 For lots of different reasons.
11:06:17 I mean, I think if we are going to talk about restaurants,
11:06:20 and we are going to talk about restaurants that have queuing
11:06:23 issues just like we do have nightclubs and other types of
11:06:26 bars, other types of facilities, large venues, I understand
11:06:32 the zoning part of it.
11:06:33 But let's take it out of zoning in terms of what there are
11:06:38 unforeseen issues concerning public rights-of-way and
11:06:42 What role do we have in terms of making sure that public
11:06:45 safety is maintained when things get a little bit out of
11:06:49 hand with different restaurants across the city?
11:06:51 >> That is certainly something we can explore.
11:06:53 You have a queuing in the right-of-way provision, in the
11:06:56 code right now for Ybor City, and there's a permitting
11:06:58 process for utilization of the rights-of-way for the
11:07:03 purposes of queuing in Ybor.
11:07:07 >> What's the trigger in terms of queuing for those Ybor
11:07:10 City facilities?
11:07:11 >> For those facilities in Ybor, I think if they want to use
11:07:18 the rights-of-way for the purposes of developer row and for
11:07:21 having people standing outside prior to the entrance into
11:07:25 the facility, I guess create that, they can apply for a
11:07:32 permit to our right-of-way permit processes to utilize the
11:07:36 right-of-way in that manner, similar to utilizing a sidewalk
11:07:39 cafe or something like that.
11:07:41 It's sort of a an extension of the business right-of-way.
11:07:44 >> Do we have the right to have them -- or ask for a permit
11:07:48 concerning rights-of-way whenever there are too many people
11:07:51 queuing in our right-of-way?
11:07:52 >> You have got to be cognizant of the use of the business
11:07:56 utilizing the right-of-way for the purposes of the business
11:07:58 versus just people generally knowing about them.
11:08:02 It's something we can look at.
11:08:03 >> I am not trying to PARSE it too much, but at the same
11:08:08 time if you do have a restaurant that is very popular, and
11:08:13 there is a right-of-way issue, do we not have a role to tell
11:08:19 a particular restaurant owner that, no, you need to have a
11:08:22 permit to allow for queuing of so many X number of people in
11:08:26 a right-of-way?
11:08:26 >> I think that's a legitimate thing that council can
11:08:29 review, and want to make sure that -- by the way,
11:08:35 requirements versus utilization, that's the key.
11:08:38 That business that is utilizing the right-of-way for the
11:08:40 purpose of its business operation that I think is completely
11:08:44 appropriate for us to have a permitting process for.
11:08:46 >> When it comes to -- when I say the permitting process,
11:08:49 that this is something that we can direct code enforcement
11:08:52 to ask that they get a permit for this right-of-way.
11:08:57 Code enforcement, the police will do it.
11:08:59 >> Well, if they are utilizing the right-of-way for queuing
11:09:02 for the purpose -- if you have something in the code that
11:09:05 prohibits the utilization of the right-of-way for the
11:09:07 purpose of your business for queuing, and then you have a
11:09:10 permitting process for that, and it's a business that is
11:09:14 utilizing it for right-of-way for queuing, and does not have
11:09:19 permits, then it would likely be a code enforcement function
11:09:23 or transportation code enforcement to cite that business.
11:09:28 The other similar thing that we do is for valet operations,
11:09:31 if they are utilizing rights-of-way for the valet operation.
11:09:34 So there are similar types of things in your code right now.
11:09:38 I think important distinction is that that business, whether
11:09:41 it be a restaurant or some other kind of business, or the
11:09:46 right-of-way for queuing for the purposes of this business
11:09:49 operation, then it is certainly -- we have those types of
11:09:55 permits in our code right now and it's certainly appropriate
11:09:57 for us to have that kind of permitting process.
11:09:59 >> Okay.
11:10:00 The next question.
11:10:04 Something was brought up about outdoor facilities, bathroom
11:10:08 facilities, for restaurants within our code, that allowed,
11:10:12 or is there a procedure in which someone needs to get
11:10:15 permission in order to allow that at a restaurant facility?
11:10:20 >>JULIA COLE: I probably want them to respond if there's
11:10:23 anything in the code as a general matter for those types of
11:10:27 >>CATHERINE COYLE: Planning.
11:10:31 As far as restrooms are concerned, there's not really
11:10:33 anything in the code that regulates where the restrooms go.
11:10:37 It is really usually a function of a building code and how
11:10:40 much the occupant load is going to be and the type of
11:10:42 occupancy in the building, how many bathrooms are required.
11:10:45 So it's really not a function of the Land Development Code.
11:10:48 What I had offered here is to actually make it
11:10:50 potentially --
11:10:52 >> I'm asking what we have, not what you offered I.don't
11:10:55 want to get --
11:10:56 >> There's nothing in the building code that actually speaks
11:10:59 to that.
11:10:59 >> So any restaurant can have a very popular restaurant,
11:11:02 they only have two bathrooms, and they can set up portolets
11:11:06 on their property?
11:11:07 >> Well, we do have a portable accessory structure
11:11:10 requirement in the zoning code.
11:11:12 Which allows on a commercial property one portable accessory
11:11:15 structure per property, some type of storage facility or
11:11:19 something else.
11:11:21 You know, portables have been a problem over time, when
11:11:23 people put the trailer, toilets on-site.
11:11:27 Then we have had that them removed in certain cases when
11:11:30 there's too many, or too close to the property line.
11:11:32 >> Well, portolet facilities -- typically they are usually
11:11:37 only for temporary types of uses.
11:11:38 And I hate to say this, but I know when I was building onto
11:11:42 my home there was a portolet put in my yard which I'm made
11:11:48 my neighbors very happy, I'm sure, and we try to make sure
11:11:51 we eliminate those types of uses because we don't want
11:11:54 portolets in neighborhoods or in any other place, especially
11:11:58 if you have a restaurant, I would think that there's
11:12:00 probably some requirements from the health department, maybe
11:12:03 from the state, concerning restaurant facilities.
11:12:05 I don't expect you to know that answer.
11:12:08 I certainly don't know that answer.
11:12:10 I was just curious as to when we started this whole
11:12:13 discussion about restaurants and restaurant uses.
11:12:17 There are some things that I know about restaurants.
11:12:19 One is typically there are not outdoor facilities for
11:12:23 restrooms in terms of bathroom facilities.
11:12:27 So except in temporary circumstances, where it's permitted
11:12:31 or not depends on, I think, the location.
11:12:35 So that's why I wanted to get that answer.
11:12:37 I know in terms -- believe me, I appreciate everything you
11:12:39 put forward on some suggestions on how we can change code.
11:12:43 But right now, I think we want to make sure that those type
11:12:46 of facilities that are restaurants and call themselves
11:12:50 restaurants, are now zoned restaurants, that they understand
11:12:53 what their limitations are and what our role is in terms of
11:12:57 public safety and rights-of-way.
11:12:58 So I appreciate everything that you put together on that.
11:13:01 Thank you, Ms. Coyle.
11:13:03 Thank you, chair.
11:13:04 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have Ms. Capin and then Ms. Mulhern.
11:13:08 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Thank you, Mr. Chair.
11:13:11 Also, I want to follow up on the queuing, because Julia
11:13:19 Cole, please.
11:13:20 You stated we have this in effect in Ybor City, in a where
11:13:24 else in the city?
11:13:26 >> There is a permit process for queuing in the
11:13:28 rights-of-way in Ybor.
11:13:30 >> Okay.
11:13:32 So I remember an incident on Howard Avenue, and the people
11:13:37 who are queuing on the right-of-way, but they couldn't -- on
11:13:41 Howard Avenue you would not be able to obtain a permit
11:13:45 because that does not exist.
11:13:47 >> It's not illegal, it's not a violation of our code to
11:13:51 queuing the right-of-way.
11:13:53 Except in Ybor City without a permit.
11:13:56 Right now there's no prohibition.
11:13:58 You would have to create a prohibition with a permitting
11:14:02 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Thank you for clearing that up for me.
11:14:03 Thank you very much.
11:14:03 I want to also say, officer McDonald?
11:14:10 No, it was not.
11:14:12 I'm sorry, he's not here.
11:14:13 Could you come up, please?
11:14:14 I'm sorry, state your name again for me?
11:14:19 >> Lee BIRKHOFF.
11:14:30 >> Thank you.
11:14:31 I remember reading this good policy neighbor, and I
11:14:34 mentioned to the Trinity Cafe managers that a good neighbor
11:14:38 policy is essential in this situation.
11:14:44 One of the things that's stated here by Ms. Cindy Davis,
11:14:49 Trinity Cafe program director, I did volunteer there, and it
11:14:53 says that the problems anticipated are speculation.
11:14:58 I beg to differ with that, because I was there.
11:15:01 There is loitering.
11:15:03 There is littering.
11:15:07 All of the above.
11:15:09 At the location where they are at now.
11:15:11 And then they will evaluate as they arrive.
11:15:15 They don't need to evaluate as they arrive.
11:15:19 They have arrived.
11:15:19 It does happen as we speak.
11:15:22 So I appreciate that there will be an area in the cafe's
11:15:27 property where guests will gather while waiting to be
11:15:31 And then it says the restroom facilities are open for
11:15:35 They are not saying that they are going put porto oh lets.
11:15:40 I don't believe that's what that's indicating.
11:15:42 That's indicating they will let them into their restaurant
11:15:44 to use their restroom facilities.
11:15:48 Is that what I'm understanding?
11:15:50 >> I'm reading the same thing you are.
11:15:52 I wasn't involved in the discussion.
11:15:54 Officer McDonald was.
11:15:55 But the way you are interpreting is the same way that I am
11:15:58 interpreting it.
11:16:01 >>YVONNE CAPIN: And the trash receptacles on the property
11:16:04 will be patrolled and clean daily of any debris that may
11:16:09 And guests will not be permitted to loiter and will be asked
11:16:11 to leave the area once they have been served.
11:16:15 I mean, they can only be housed.
11:16:17 That's correct.
11:16:18 And they are going to Post and enforce rules regarding
11:16:22 defecation, disrespectful behavior will not be tolerated,
11:16:26 and no alcohol or drugs on the property.
11:16:31 They are going to join the association meetings, crime
11:16:35 watch, community clean-up, exterior lighting is really
11:16:40 I hope it's really, really bright, but not glaring into the
11:16:45 neighbor's house next door or behind them but enough to
11:16:47 discourage all loitering at night.
11:16:59 All of this is good neighbor policy except for the part
11:17:02 where it is stated that this is speculation, and that issues
11:17:06 will be evaluated as they arrive.
11:17:12 That is good but there are a lot of issues that have already
11:17:16 >> That conversation may have taken place between officer
11:17:25 I don't know that.
11:17:26 >> So I appreciate it being brought forth, and at this point
11:17:31 from my understanding of a meeting with legal and this
11:17:40 actually at this point is the best we can hope for, is a
11:17:45 good neighbor policy.
11:17:46 Everything else is in place.
11:17:48 Thank you very much.
11:17:51 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Ms. Mulhern.
11:17:52 >>MARY MULHERN: Thank you, Mr. Miranda.
11:17:54 I had a couple of questions for Ms. Coyle.
11:17:59 The proposed possible reg regulation you have for special
11:18:08 use for social services --
11:18:09 >> It's not a special use.
11:18:11 It would be a permitted use.
11:18:14 The standard we would actually be applying.
11:18:15 >> Okay.
11:18:16 So I don't see a copy of that.
11:18:19 Could you give us all a copy of that?
11:18:23 >>CATHERINE COYLE: Sure.
11:18:24 >>MARY MULHERN: I have a lot of papers but that's not one
11:18:26 of them, so we can look at that.
11:18:28 But we can't apply that retroactively because this -- was it
11:18:34 a change of use, or was it -- it was permitting use already,
11:18:41 for the existing -- the new Trinity Cafe.
11:18:43 >> Change of use is a process, a permitted use on the
11:18:47 And so it's going through the permitting process.
11:18:48 >> So it was permitted within that zoning designation.
11:18:54 >> Correct.
11:18:55 >> So they had to go through a permitting process?
11:18:57 >> Yes.
11:18:58 >> So I think what the problem illustrates for us is the
11:19:03 problem of this being a use that I think is similar to some
11:19:11 other things that you do need a special use permit for,
11:19:17 daycare, congregate living facilities, place of religious
11:19:22 Those are not special uses.
11:19:26 >> Those are not special uses within commercial districts
11:19:28 because it's not a residential district, it's commercial.
11:19:30 >> So you don't have to get -- you --
11:19:34 >> You can operate a church in a commercial district
11:19:36 without --
11:19:37 >> So there is no permit required?
11:19:41 >> No.
11:19:42 What you do is, we have similar clarifications, especially
11:19:45 in the commercial districts, there's a much broader range of
11:19:48 uses a low. You have to have special use for -- it's the
11:19:52 opposite of what it is in a residential district.
11:19:56 What you do is if you want to have certain regulations on a
11:19:59 use that is generally allowed, in a commercial district or
11:20:03 any other kind of district, you can accept design standards
11:20:06 that are just a matter of the permit.
11:20:10 Establish very clear things about how they are supposed to
11:20:13 operator design the property.
11:20:14 There's not a height and special use requirement to come to
11:20:17 public hearing for those.
11:20:18 We have certain things in the code that that are already
11:20:21 like that.
11:20:22 Crematoriums are like that, that we went through a few years
11:20:26 ago, a permitted use in IH, industrial heavy.
11:20:28 However, there's a certain set of standards on the
11:20:32 incinerators, a certain limitation on operational hours,
11:20:35 certain limitation on certain things that when they come in
11:20:38 for the permit to establish that use through the building
11:20:40 permitting process, they have to adhere to those.
11:20:43 And if they don't there's no other additional review besides
11:20:47 the permitting.
11:20:48 So there's many different ways to do that.
11:20:50 >>MARY MULHERN: This is what I am trying to suggest, is
11:20:53 that the only way to avoid a problem like this where this
11:20:59 new use is coming in to a residential neighborhood, even
11:21:02 though it's a commercial street and commercial zoning, if
11:21:11 there is a notice of public hearing, and it's not just an
11:21:14 administrative decision.
11:21:15 So whatever proposal you are making about the
11:21:19 standards -- unless they come to us, to council for some
11:21:30 kind of hearing process for the change in use, or
11:21:32 permitting, the public doesn't know that this is happening.
11:21:39 So what you need to come up with so we don't want this to
11:21:44 happen again.
11:21:45 >> This is what we mentioned in past discussions, and we
11:21:50 were just talking about how to regulate these different
11:21:53 types of uses.
11:21:54 As I mentioned before public use facilities, if it's run by
11:21:57 the government, is a permitted use in all districts.
11:22:00 We would then be treating a privately run social services
11:22:06 facility differently.
11:22:07 We would be carving them out, even though it's the same
11:22:10 typical classification of use.
11:22:11 It's difficult for us to treat similarly situated uses
11:22:17 differently, because you are treating a --
11:22:19 >> Let me ask you this, because if we just consider this as
11:22:25 a restaurant, Trinity Cafe as a restaurant that's going to
11:22:29 have -- set up to, estimate, 250 people a day, there was a
11:22:40 question from Ms. Headland that you had no buffer
11:22:51 >> As a matter of course there is a 15-foot buffer required
11:22:54 and masonry wall.
11:22:56 They applied for the design exception.
11:22:59 They were grant add 6-foot PVC fence.
11:23:02 There were two medium size oak trees, I think 15 and 16
11:23:07 inches in size. They were providing 9.77 feet at a minimum
11:23:10 and 11.9 feet at a maximum along that existing buffer that
11:23:14 was already an established parking area there.
11:23:17 They went in and they put the PVC fence in, or they are
11:23:21 going to, and behind the PVC fence there's a platted alley
11:23:25 that is apparently unimproved.
11:23:26 So in that review the staff saw that the provision of the 10
11:23:32 to 12 feet plus the PVC wall and 15-foot buffer, or 15-foot
11:23:37 alley, met the intent of the buffer with the trees as well.
11:23:44 With the two trees on the property as well in, that
11:23:46 >> Those are still there?
11:23:48 >> They are still there.
11:23:49 They have to keep them.
11:23:49 >>MARY MULHERN: So you are saying the only difference, PVC?
11:23:57 >> Yes.
11:23:57 And a couple of feet different between the 15 and 9.77 at
11:24:01 this end and 15 and 11-point it at this end.
11:24:04 >> The buffer?
11:24:04 >> Yes.
11:24:07 We talked about this in the last code amendment review.
11:24:11 The requirement of 15 feet with ground cover.
11:24:14 There's no landscaping required other than just ground
11:24:17 And then a masonry wall.
11:24:18 Typically what we do as alternative design exception in
11:24:21 these cases where there's a limited amount of space, we will
11:24:24 allow potentially a PVC or masonry.
11:24:27 We will allow them to reduce the 15 feet but then they have
11:24:30 to plant that buffer because right now there's no plantings
11:24:33 required other than ground cover so we'll have them add in
11:24:36 trees and shrubbery as an offset or reduction in that 15
11:24:41 But this is the trade-off.
11:24:42 >> So what this illustrates for us is the problem with not
11:24:48 having a hearing and having it administratively is these
11:24:51 kind of issues aren't necessarily going to be aired or dealt
11:25:01 Because the neighborhood didn't have the opportunity to come
11:25:04 here and say, wait a minute, you know, we are not sure that
11:25:09 that PVC fence is going to be enough, enough of a barrier.
11:25:13 We are not sure that there is -- even though they are saying
11:25:16 that they will provide space for queuing within the
11:25:19 property, that there will be enough space.
11:25:22 So all these questions, which are particular, you know,
11:25:29 would change depending on the sort of thing.
11:25:34 I think it needs to be -- we need to find a way for it to
11:25:38 be -- there be a public hearing, when we are having these
11:25:45 kinds of things in a neighborhood, whether it's a restaurant
11:25:49 or social service or a bar.
11:25:54 If it's going to involve large numbers of people
11:25:58 congregating outside, which we know this does,.
11:26:01 >>JULIA COLE: Based upon who the user is based upon
11:26:26 regulating this type of use on the basis of the operation.
11:26:29 I cannot find any case law -- I cannot find anything that
11:26:33 would support us constitutionally making a regulation for
11:26:40 this use because of the basics of who the user is.
11:26:44 We have to base it on the use.
11:26:49 What I have found -- and that's why we have this as a
11:26:53 potential suggestion -- is the general concept of the social
11:26:58 service facility and having certain operational regulation,
11:27:03 as Ms. Oh Coyle has brought forward, having that be the
11:27:06 basis of a regulation, and I have found the regulations, I
11:27:10 have not found case law, but I have found similarly situated
11:27:14 regulations, and it is very difficult to bring forward a
11:27:18 regulation for this type of use.
11:27:20 I mean, uses which are used by folks on the basis of who the
11:27:24 user is, homeless, people who are ill, people who have drug
11:27:32 When you are making your land use decisions on the basis of
11:27:35 who the user is as opposed to the classification of use, it
11:27:39 becomes a very complicated.
11:27:40 So, yes, I think it is completely possible for you to have a
11:27:45 land use regulation which says every restaurant in a
11:27:47 commercial district would have to come through a special use
11:27:51 2 process which would be a public hearing, so that all of
11:27:55 the various facets of a restaurant can be looked at.
11:27:59 That I am completely comfortable with,.
11:28:02 It would mean a lot of public hearings, but it's certainly
11:28:05 something you could do.
11:28:05 But I am not comfortable, and I can't recommend to City
11:28:09 Council that you can formulate a special use permit process
11:28:12 for a soup kitchen type use, because the only basis of that
11:28:19 is the S who the user is because it is a free meal versus a
11:28:26 restaurant type of meal.
11:28:27 >>MARY MULHERN: Right.
11:28:29 I think there's a lot more here that we could -- I am not
11:28:33 telling you to write this.
11:28:34 But the fact that there are so many people that are going to
11:28:37 be using this.
11:28:39 And it's kind of like our parking regulations.
11:28:42 And, in general, there isn't parking and these people don't
11:28:49 have cars, so when we talk about bars and restaurants, and
11:28:52 code kind of regulations, we talk about those problems.
11:28:57 And how are you going to accommodate all these people?
11:29:00 So it doesn't necessarily have to be discriminatory.
11:29:06 Maybe it has to do with nightclubs, the number of people
11:29:09 being served.
11:29:13 It's going to be over 200 people.
11:29:27 Whenever that one or two-hour period.
11:29:28 >> That's a very difficult issue to deal with.
11:29:33 And I was amazed how many jurisdictions deal with the same
11:29:37 And it is just an extraordinarily complicated type of
11:29:41 regulation to draft and a way that's legally defensible.
11:29:45 Yes, there are jurisdictions that have regulations, but they
11:29:48 are not regulations that I can recommend from a
11:29:50 Constitutional perspective, because they do formulate the
11:29:53 regulations on the basis --
11:29:56 >>MARY MULHERN: This is what I am trying to say.
11:29:57 I am not telling you to write stuff.
11:29:59 To come up with something that applies only to a soup
11:30:05 I'm talking about looking at, in bigger terms where it isn't
11:30:10 discriminatory against the type of user.
11:30:12 >> Something relating to restaurants, certain number of
11:30:17 patrons in a restaurant and drafting up maybe some kind of
11:30:20 business regulation for those restaurants.
11:30:23 That is something we can certainly look at.
11:30:25 But, you know, that's going to be something that's going to
11:30:28 probably incorporate many, many establishments.
11:30:33 We can look at something in the Land Development Code and
11:30:36 having some other kind of special use permit for
11:30:38 restaurants, certain feeding capacity, and those are policy
11:30:43 decisions that City Council gets to make.
11:30:45 I just want you to be clear that if that's how we are going
11:30:48 to characterize the operation, there may be value as City
11:30:58 Council, there may be good policy for City Council to want
11:31:01 to deal with W those issues because of a lot of -- between a
11:31:08 soup kitchen and restaurant use.
11:31:10 All this being said, this is a policy decision.
11:31:12 The legal concerns that I have raised on several occasions
11:31:15 is one of making sure we are not treating similar operation
11:31:20 establishments differently on the end user.
11:31:23 >>MARY MULHERN: Thank you.
11:31:24 So I would like you to do that.
11:31:26 And then I just wanted to say that this problem, it's
11:31:31 We do have -- already had some discussion about dealing with
11:31:36 the problem of homelessness today, outside of this agenda
11:31:42 item, and the ten-year plan that the homeless coalition came
11:31:49 up with ten years ago, the plan was to have a facility,
11:31:56 their hope and what they wanted to do was to have a facility
11:31:59 somewhere probably downtown for the homeless to be able to
11:32:04 congregate, to use showers, to be able to, you know, have
11:32:10 somewhere to go during the day to be inside, to have some
11:32:15 access to services.
11:32:16 So when Councilwoman Montelione encourages us to fill out a
11:32:22 survey, that's all very nice, but we have known that we had
11:32:25 this problem.
11:32:25 The only difference from ten years ago is that we have more
11:32:28 than twice as many homeless in Hillsborough County, and we
11:32:33 have no more.
11:32:37 I know the Salvation Army is doing an expansion.
11:32:40 That's on our agenda and the other thing that the county is
11:32:43 doing, which is great.
11:32:44 It's going to add some housing.
11:32:47 But as far as where the homeless go during the day, even if
11:32:54 they are lucky enough to have somewhere to go at night,
11:32:57 which as we have heard here today, many of us don't.
11:33:01 So I think this council has been trying very hard to find
11:33:06 solutions for that and will continue to do that.
11:33:08 We were pushed and pushed and pushed to ban panhandling,
11:33:11 which we did adopt something earlier this year.
11:33:20 And what many of us had hoped was that at the same time we
11:33:25 did that, we would find a facility for a place for people to
11:33:28 go so that they wouldn't -- you know, they would have
11:33:32 somewhere temporary to go, much like what they have in
11:33:35 Pinellas County, and despite our efforts, we.
11:33:38 Gotten very far with that.
11:33:39 So I just want everyone to know that this is the underlying
11:33:44 problem that we have been trying very hard to work on, and
11:33:48 will continue to do so.
11:33:49 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Ms. Coyle, I know Ms. Mulhern asked for
11:34:00 copies of the suggestions.
11:34:02 Can you put those back up, please?
11:34:04 And while you are doing that, it would have been handy to
11:34:09 have that distributed prior.
11:34:21 I take to heart what Ms. Coyle has talked about in not
11:34:24 identifying a particular population and singling out a
11:34:28 particular population.
11:34:29 We have talked about civil rights quite a bit this year on
11:34:37 And you can design regulations.
11:34:40 And I have seen this happen in the state level all the time.
11:34:46 When a bill passes, it doesn't mention a particular agency
11:34:51 or it doesn't mention a particular company.
11:34:54 But if you read the statutes very carefully, you know there
11:34:58 is only one group that would fulfill all of the parameters
11:35:05 that are set.
11:35:06 So we can design regulations or change our code, and not
11:35:16 specifically say that we are identifying the homeless
11:35:20 population, but if anyone read it they will figure out
11:35:24 pretty quickly that there's only one category of people that
11:35:31 fit or one basic category that fits those regulations.
11:35:34 I do know that if we look at the number of people being
11:35:41 served as was suggested and the period of time, for
11:35:44 instance, a golden corral type restaurant, a buffet
11:35:47 restaurant that serves a few hundred people rapidly, in and
11:35:51 out, would fall into that category, and we would be putting
11:35:55 regulations on businesses that to my knowledge we have never
11:36:00 had problems with before, never had anybody come up to me
11:36:03 and say, we don't want that golden corral in our
11:36:06 neighborhood because it's terrible for our citizens and our
11:36:13 property values.
11:36:13 So we would really be identifying a particular population.
11:36:17 And some of the regulations or some of the suggestions that
11:36:20 are on here, that you have identified, are things that we
11:36:25 could incorporate into code just the same way we incorporate
11:36:30 things into our code for other uses that aren't particularly
11:36:34 popular to be located in neighborhoods.
11:36:39 We have industrial uses or commercial intensive uses that
11:36:45 require additional barriers that for sound or noise ---well,
11:36:53 that's the same thing, sound and noise -- or buffering
11:36:57 between different uses such as residential and commercial.
11:37:00 So there are things that we can write into the code that
11:37:04 would be on a neutral ground.
11:37:09 And I wouldn't support regulations that would ensnare a lot
11:37:15 of other businesses simply to try and take a use that is not
11:37:21 popular, but needed in our community.
11:37:37 If you would as chair of preservation, spend to time with me
11:37:41 and maybe start looking at how we could address the issue
11:37:44 going forward, and then bring it back at some point in time
11:37:48 when we are comfortable with that, we are not
11:37:53 On one hand or a particular population, and on the other
11:37:56 hand ensnaring other businesses and creating unnecessary
11:38:02 regulation for those businesses.
11:38:09 And we knew ten years ago, in Tampa, it's not an issue to
11:38:20 Tampa, and in ten years, we haven't had funding for social
11:38:29 services available, from a federal or state level, in the
11:38:37 amount needed to really and truly address the issue.
11:38:48 We are seeing decreased funding from the state and federal
11:38:51 government, and the conditions will continue to get worse
11:38:54 until we as a society decide that we are going to put some
11:39:01 compassion and some money into helping those of our
11:39:05 community that are less fortunate than ourselves.
11:39:09 Thank you.
11:39:11 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Okay, thank you very much.
11:39:11 >> I planned to use all of the time for the 10:00, but we
11:39:23 have some people here for 9:00 on issues of committees, like
11:39:28 Ms. Capins and Ms. Montelione's 44, 45 and 66.
11:39:33 So I am going to stop where I am at now and go back to the
11:39:38 regular agenda so that I may get the good people who came
11:39:42 here early, at least debate.
11:39:49 The request by the public or legislation matters on prior
11:39:52 meetings that we have had.
11:39:53 Yes, sir.
11:39:53 >> Donny Rhode, 412 Madison street.
11:40:03 Mr. Chairman, on May 17th, 2012, agenda item 51 was
11:40:07 taken up and passed by council on a vote of 4-2, a temporary
11:40:11 ordinance affecting the City of Tampa during the Republican
11:40:13 national convention.
11:40:16 Your rule 3-B-2 (B) provide for public request of
11:40:23 I would like to utilize the rule, Roberts rules of order 27
11:40:33 and 60 to the extent that they are applicable and not know
11:40:35 conflict with that.
11:40:36 There is in a provision for time setting so I would like to
11:40:39 have my time determined before I start.
11:40:45 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Let me tell you how it is.
11:40:47 Anyone in the prevailing had can make that, not on the
11:40:51 losing two.
11:40:53 >> No, comments from the public first.
11:40:55 Then after that presentation, and then the members voting in
11:40:58 the majority have that option, which will include you,
11:41:02 because you weren't here that day.
11:41:04 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I didn't say it did, sir.
11:41:05 You did.
11:41:06 But thank you for correcting the correct record.
11:41:09 >> I would like to have my time determined.
11:41:15 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Mr. Chairman, unless sets by City Council,
11:41:17 otherwise it's three minutes.
11:41:19 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Three minutes it is.
11:41:20 >> Regarding ordinance, neither member of council who voted
11:41:26 in opposition made any motion whatsoever for the purpose of
11:41:28 amending the ordinance in any manner.
11:41:31 Assuming that their stated opposition was actual and not
11:41:36 theatrical intending to mislead the public it is important
11:41:39 to point out these and some other irregularities.
11:41:43 On May 17th, at the 59 minute 56 second mark in an
11:41:48 effort to convince council to vote in favor of this
11:41:51 ordinance, your city attorney James Shimberg in response to
11:41:56 specific questions from council stated that the overall
11:41:59 impact of this rule was to allow this ordinance, was to
11:42:03 allow people to do what they are legally allowed to do, with
11:42:07 no further explanation of what they were allowed to do
11:42:11 He also stated that the city would publish at a later time,
11:42:17 after you had already considered it and passed it as a
11:42:20 council, a publication that would explain the plain and
11:42:26 ordinary meaning and application of the often complicated
11:42:31 rules in that ordinance.
11:42:32 Obviously those clarifications needed to come in advance of
11:42:36 council's vote and consideration of this.
11:42:39 A lack of understanding regarding the issue of sidewalk
11:42:44 obstruction some S clear from some of the questions asked
11:42:50 awhile ago by Councilman Suarez.
11:42:56 At the meeting on May 3rd which was the first reading of
11:42:59 this ordinance, Councilman Reddick asked the Tampa Police
11:43:01 Department, Chief Bennett, specific questions about the
11:43:05 effect of certain terms of the special ordinance relative to
11:43:09 protest or participation or participation in sidewalks and
11:43:14 so forth.
11:43:15 Chief Bennett gave no straight answer but rather cited
11:43:19 motivation of the greater good, we took an oath, and we only
11:43:23 want to arrest law breakers without any explanation as to
11:43:26 what law breaking would be in August of 2012 in downtown
11:43:33 The mayor's remarks have aggravated this to some degree, but
11:43:38 sticking strictly to what's going on on council, I would
11:43:41 point out that a member of the public, Tom Matchison, came
11:43:48 here at the 39 minute 44 second mark attempting to explain
11:43:51 the correlation between homelessness and the rights of
11:43:58 Chairman Miranda cut him off at the 39 minute 45 second
11:44:02 He was intimidated by that and cut his remarks short.
11:44:07 These are only minor examples of the complaint that I am
11:44:11 raising now.
11:44:13 That this was not handled -- you have no workshop on this.
11:44:16 Assuming somehow that an 18-page ordinance did not require
11:44:20 special consideration as your rules provide for, for a
11:44:26 Thank you.
11:44:29 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
11:44:30 I appreciate it.
11:44:31 Does anyone else in the public care to request any
11:44:34 consideration of legislative matters?
11:44:35 Your time is up.
11:44:36 Thank you very much.
11:44:37 >> Parliamentary is supposed to call for a motion.
11:44:40 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much, sir.
11:44:41 I will do what I have to do, sir.
11:44:43 The mayor signed the order so I don't have to call for
11:44:47 anything, but thank you very much.
11:44:50 Anyone else in the audience care to speak on any legislative
11:44:52 matter this council passed at the prior session?
11:44:55 We go now to -- I am going to go to Public Safety Committee,
11:44:58 and we will go through the committees.
11:45:00 And we'll discuss the 44, 45 and 56 if I am correct on those
11:45:05 three items.
11:45:06 Okay, Mr. Public Safety Committee chair, Frank Reddick.
11:45:10 >>FRANK REDDICK: Move item 11.
11:45:14 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion by Mr. Reddick.
11:45:15 I have a second by Ms. Mulhern.
11:45:17 All in favor?
11:45:19 The ayes have it unanimously.
11:45:21 Parks, recreation, committee chair Mary Mulhern.
11:45:24 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Excuse me, there's item number 15 that I
11:45:30 would like to have Mr. Shelby address for me.
11:45:34 Before we hear parks and recreation.
11:45:40 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Mrs. Montelione, you have indicated that
11:45:46 your fiancée's company has had a business relationship with
11:45:51 the bidder, awardee of this contract.
11:46:00 >> That's correct.
11:46:01 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Now based upon what you told me, is it
11:46:03 true then that the contract that is the subject of this bid,
11:46:09 neither you nor your fiancée nor his company would either
11:46:14 benefit nor be harmed built awarding of this contract?
11:46:17 >> We are not involved in this project.
11:46:18 >> In any way?
11:46:20 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Not in any way.
11:46:21 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Based upon that it is my opinion there is
11:46:23 no conflict and you are required by Florida statute to vote
11:46:26 on this item.
11:46:27 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Thank you, sir.
11:46:30 >>MARY MULHERN: I move items 12 through 19.
11:46:31 >> Second.
11:46:33 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a second by Mr. Cohen.
11:46:36 All in favor of the motion please indicate by saying aye.
11:46:38 Opposed nay.
11:46:39 The ayes have it unanimously.
11:46:41 Bee go to Public Works Committee chair Mr. Mike Suarez.
11:46:44 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I move items 20 through 27.
11:46:50 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion with Mr. Suarez, motion
11:46:52 made by Mr. Suarez, second by Mrs. Mulhern on a close vote
11:46:56 with Mr. Cohen.
11:46:57 All in favor?
11:46:59 The ayes have it unanimously.
11:47:01 We go now to Finance Committee chair, Mr. Harry Cohen.
11:47:05 >>HARRY COHEN: I move items number 28 through 41, and I
11:47:11 would like to just point out that item number 41 is going to
11:47:14 be our first budget workshop, and that that has been
11:47:18 requested for our June 21st workshop session.
11:47:25 And if it would please the council, I think we should
11:47:28 schedule that takes first item on that day's agenda.
11:47:36 After the ceremonial activities.
11:47:39 >>YVONNE CAPIN: We have on there, on the 21st, there is
11:47:41 a presentation on the EB-5.
11:47:52 >>HARRY COHEN: 9:30.
11:47:56 Can we set this for 9 a.m.?
11:48:00 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I would have to leave right -- by noon.
11:48:05 I have an appointment in Orlando.
11:48:06 >>LISA MONTELIONE: That is also the day that the energy
11:48:12 policy, environmental policy, workshop is going to be held
11:48:17 and that's going to be quite lengthy.
11:48:19 I have people coming from all over, including waiting on a
11:48:27 confirmation, the gentleman that worked on the London
11:48:37 And I have been working on this as well.
11:48:40 >>HARRY COHEN: Let me make a suggestion, Mr. Chair.
11:48:45 We know the budget workshop is an important item.
11:48:47 Could we actually schedule the workshop to about our meeting
11:48:51 on the 28th?
11:48:53 Instead of on the 21st which is a very long agenda?
11:48:57 I think it would just be in the interest of the
11:48:59 administration to get it on before summer break.
11:49:02 So if we had it immediately at the end of our regular
11:49:05 meeting on the 28th, that might be better.
11:49:10 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Do you want to amend that motion from the
11:49:11 21st to the 28th, on item 4 is 1st?
11:49:15 >>HARRY COHEN: Yes.
11:49:16 So moved.
11:49:17 And we will set it for a 10:30 time certain on the 28th.
11:49:21 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion by Mr. Cohen, original
11:49:24 motion, substituted again by --
11:49:28 >>HARRY COHEN: And I move items 28 through 41.
11:49:32 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Right.
11:49:33 >>MARTIN SHELBY: The question is when you set something for
11:49:36 a time certain, it implies that you will stop what you are
11:49:39 doing to take up that item at that time.
11:49:40 Is that your intention to do that?
11:49:43 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I tried to do that today.
11:49:44 It doesn't work.
11:49:45 >>HARRY COHEN: Thank you.
11:49:54 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: All in favor?
11:49:56 The ayes have it unanimously.
11:49:59 We go now to building, zoning and preservation committee
11:50:02 chair, Lisa Montelione.
11:50:03 >>LISA MONTELIONE: And before I move the item, I would like
11:50:06 to point out, there was a speaker who earlier brought up the
11:50:11 item number 42, 190,000 for the move of code enforcement.
11:50:17 I would like to point out that it is not just moving code
11:50:21 I had a very long conversation with Jake Slater last night.
11:50:25 There are 47 employees who are moving.
11:50:28 36 code enforcement, six neighborhood and community
11:50:31 relations, clean cities, and 12 from business tax.
11:50:34 So the building is very old.
11:50:39 The restrooms on the first floor are very worn from all the
11:50:45 years of use.
11:50:46 And maintenance needs to be done on those.
11:50:52 So I just want to let everybody know that I take my
11:50:54 responsibility for my committee very seriously and have very
11:50:58 long discussions about spending that kind of money to move
11:51:02 people when we really need to spend it in neighborhoods
11:51:05 addressing the foreclosed vacant properties.
11:51:08 I just want to let everybody know about that.
11:51:10 And with that, I will move items 42 and 43.
11:51:15 46 through 63, having pulled items 44 and 45 for discussion.
11:51:25 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a second by Mr. Suarez.
11:51:26 All in favor of that motion?
11:51:29 The ayes have it unanimously.
11:51:32 We go to transportation committee chair, Yolie Capin, chair.
11:51:39 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I move items 64 and 65, and then 67 through
11:51:46 69, having pulled 66 for discussion.
11:51:53 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Second by Mrs. Mulhern.
11:51:56 All in favor?
11:51:57 The ayes have it unanimously.
11:51:59 If I may, let's go back to 66.
11:52:02 Let's discuss 66.
11:52:03 >> I am going move 91, 90 --
11:52:13 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I am.
11:52:13 I try to get the time certain to set a date for people that
11:52:17 are working.
11:52:17 Then I realized that some people have been here since 8:30.
11:52:21 So I stopped that.
11:52:22 And it has to be done along with 8 and 9 up front. I
11:52:35 66, Ms. Capin.
11:52:38 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I was here at the beginning of the meeting
11:52:40 when this was discussed and had to leave because of an
11:52:43 engagement and I returned as quickly as possible.
11:52:45 Unfortunately not in time for the vote.
11:52:47 But what I did bring up, and I will repeat here, and it was
11:52:57 by Dr. Neugaard, and what I stated then was that both
11:53:03 spellings were correct.
11:53:06 What was incorrect -- and here is a photo of the sign --
11:53:11 there is no accent mark.
11:53:12 And in Spanish, the accent mark tells you how to pronounce
11:53:16 the word.
11:53:19 This says Septima.
11:53:23 It does not say Setima.
11:53:26 So it has to be changed.
11:53:28 Now, I also looked up the Royal Spanish Academy dictionary,
11:53:34 and both are in there.
11:53:36 Both spellings are in there.
11:53:39 When you refer to -- my great grandfather -- my husband was
11:53:50 born in Spain in a house that's been in his family over 400
11:53:54 And what I am looking at is that the evidence is mixed.
11:54:00 But I also was in Spain and I think about 2007 for an
11:54:06 extended stay, and it was a very big deal when it was
11:54:09 presented by the Academia Hispaniola, and what they meant
11:54:20 was Colombian, Cuban, Mexican, Puerto Rican, Argentinian,
11:54:28 and, of course, the Spanish.
11:54:29 Ingelesia is recognized as a regional language. Diego.
11:54:44 Estudiando is recognized as a dialect.
11:54:48 So that's estudia Inglesia.
11:54:57 What was interesting to me was the compromise that Mr. Rene
11:54:57 Gonzalez brought up because both spellings in the dictionary
11:55:00 are correct.
11:55:01 They are both correct.
11:55:03 What is incorrect is that there is no accent mark, and that
11:55:06 is really important on there.
11:55:10 That compromise, sinned it the sign has to be corrected for
11:55:15 an accent mark in the first place, then it should be -- it
11:55:22 would be 7th Avenue and then I think that compromises
11:55:27 where both spellings are on there, Septima and Setima would
11:55:34 be -- something that I could support.
11:55:39 Because they were right.
11:55:54 What is incorrect is the accent mark is not there.
11:55:57 Since there is so much discussion and people are so very
11:56:02 involved in this our national landmark historic district,
11:56:09 one of three in the State of Florida.
11:56:12 Again, I would like to bring out that maybe -- should I make
11:56:17 that a motion?
11:56:21 >>HARRY COHEN: Could you make a motion and tell us exactly
11:56:24 how you would want the sign to read?
11:56:26 So there's no misunderstanding exactly what it would say?
11:56:34 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I found it very interesting that Mr. Rene
11:56:37 Gonzalez brought up -- and they are both correct.
11:56:40 They both are correct.
11:56:41 So, therefore, we would put seventh Avenue, La Septima, and
11:56:49 then LaSetima, and a slash mark but the accent has to be
11:56:57 over the E on both of them.
11:57:00 So you have -- I am fourth generation, born here, and I
11:57:09 speak Spanglich.
11:57:17 I would like to offer the motion that we use the compromise
11:57:20 that was brought up by Rene Gonzalez and use both spellings
11:57:23 as they are both correct and they are both found in the
11:57:27 Spanish dictionary.
11:57:29 And they honor both -- we have a mix of immigrants here,
11:57:34 Cubans, and the results are mixed.
11:57:41 Thank you.
11:57:41 >>FRANK REDDICK: Will that solve all of this problem?
11:57:50 >> I don't know.
11:57:51 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Maybe this is only the start.
11:57:52 >> That's my motion.
11:57:54 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion by Mrs. Capin.
11:57:56 That means we are going to have -- seventh Avenue.
11:58:00 It should be Broadway, Broadway, call it whatever you want
11:58:05 to call it, hotdog Boulevard.
11:58:07 But, I mean, second by Mr. Reddick.
11:58:11 All in favor of that motion.
11:58:14 How many signs are you going to have?
11:58:16 >> I don't recall the number.
11:58:24 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I didn't count 14 the other day when I
11:58:26 drove it.
11:58:26 >> Six signs.
11:58:30 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: What is the new sign going to say?
11:58:32 I have to tell the public.
11:58:34 Is it going to say Broadway and what else?
11:58:38 >>YVONNE CAPIN: No.
11:58:39 It's going to say seventh Avenue, La Septima, and Setima,
11:58:47 and that can be in quotes.
11:58:49 They are both correct.
11:58:51 And I'm sure that our ancestors used both of them.
11:58:54 And I know that.
11:58:55 My ancestors said, most probably, said Septima.
11:59:05 Then I have a grandfather who probably said Setima.
11:59:10 And they are both correct.
11:59:11 >> Quotes around either side of the word?
11:59:14 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
11:59:19 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Not to compliment those things, number 66
11:59:22 is brought to you in the form of a resolution which has been
11:59:24 prepared by Mr. Territo.
11:59:26 What you are doing is offering an amendment to that, and
11:59:29 would you want that resolution to come back in the future
11:59:33 the next agenda?
11:59:34 Or I believe if you wanted a resolution it would be
11:59:39 appropriate to make that a as an amendment.
11:59:41 >> It has to come back to the CRA.
11:59:44 They have no power to change the sign, as the council they
11:59:50 So it's six of one, half dozen of another.
11:59:55 Maybe that ought to be called the Boulevard, six of one,
11:59:57 half dozen of another.
11:59:59 Same thing.
12:00:01 >>YVONNE CAPIN: An amendment to the resolution 12340.
12:00:04 >>: To bring back another?
12:00:06 >>YVONNE CAPIN: To bring back the two spellings which are
12:00:09 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: All in favor of that motion?
12:00:11 Opposed nay?
12:00:23 All right.
12:00:23 That takes care of 66 for the time being.
12:00:26 And if I may, we are going to go back to 44 and 45, Mrs.
12:00:31 Montelione's committee.
12:00:36 If I may --
12:00:39 >> Mr. Chair, if I may.
12:00:42 Just to clear the agenda a little bit, I want to find out
12:00:45 if --
12:00:50 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I only got five minutes and I know you
12:00:52 want to finish this, do this.
12:00:53 >>HARRY COHEN: Make a motion to extend to 12:30.
12:01:00 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Second by Mrs. Montelione to 12:30.
12:01:02 All in favor?
12:01:04 The ayes have it unanimously.
12:01:05 Thank you all very much.
12:01:07 We are going to go back to item number -- now we go back to
12:01:15 the 90s.
12:01:16 >> If everyone while they are leaving, be a little bit quiet
12:01:22 so we can continue with our agenda.
12:01:24 Please go ahead.
12:01:24 >> Thank you so much, City Council members.
12:01:27 I really appreciate this opportunity.
12:01:29 I'm Joan Boles. I'm the deputy director with Bay Area Legal
12:01:36 Services for over 24 years, a topic I'm very passionate
12:01:39 Bay Area Legal Services has been in this community for over
12:01:43 45 years.
12:01:44 So who are we?
12:01:46 We are a nonprofit law firm.
12:01:48 We provide free civil legal services to the poor and to
12:01:52 other nonprofits who support the missions. Poor.
12:02:00 Who do we serve?
12:02:01 The most vulnerable in this community.
12:02:05 Domestic violence, children who need loving and supportive
12:02:09 People who are homeless or at risk of becoming homeless, and
12:02:14 others who are facing exploitation.
12:02:20 We do have eligibility criteria.
12:02:22 We are located in five counties.
12:02:24 Hillsborough County, Pasco, Pinellas, Sarasota, and Manatee.
12:02:29 In Hillsborough County, our main office is here in Tampa on
12:02:34 Martin Luther King.
12:02:35 We have a full-time office at the family justice center, at
12:02:38 the spring domestic violence center, T at the courthouse,
12:02:42 our children's law center is located on Madison, and we have
12:02:45 offices in Wimauma and Plant City.
12:02:50 So how many people did we serve in 2011?
12:02:53 Over 62,000 people called us for services.
12:02:58 We closed over 13,000 cases that range from advice all the
12:03:03 way to court representation and Pell at work.
12:03:07 Private attorneys in our community donated over 4,000 hours
12:03:11 of their time for pro bono legal services.
12:03:17 Right now we have 30 attorneys and that is down, because
12:03:20 like many other nonprofits, we have been losing funds.
12:03:24 In the last two years, we have lost over $1 million through
12:03:28 the federal government, the legal services corporation,
12:03:32 which comes through Congress, and also to the Florida Bar
12:03:36 foundation, which has seen their revenues, they collect
12:03:40 interest on attorneys' trust accounts and they have seen
12:03:43 their revenues go from $64 million down to $5 million.
12:03:48 A couple of weeks ago, we found out that we would lose over
12:03:51 $300,000 from the children's board.
12:03:56 But I want to tell you that we are aggressively seeking
12:04:00 We have a sustaining law firm campaign that we are
12:04:03 conducting, and we are also seeking grants.
12:04:10 And the one grant is, we heard from hope for warriors this
12:04:14 morning that received that commendation.
12:04:16 We had a woman that was referred to us by crossroads who
12:04:19 worked with veterans.
12:04:20 She was a young veteran mother.
12:04:22 She has two children.
12:04:25 Nine and seven.
12:04:26 She's a single mother.
12:04:27 She served in Afghanistan.
12:04:30 She is eligible for the GR benefits.
12:04:34 However, she's delayed and she fell behind in her rent for
12:04:37 two months.
12:04:38 Bay area legal services was able to represent her in her
12:04:40 eviction case.
12:04:41 We went to the homeless coalition which has a source of
12:04:45 funding directly for veterans.
12:04:46 We were able to access the funds and negotiate with the
12:04:49 landlord and dismiss the eviction.
12:04:52 Now, that's not a complex case.
12:04:54 That's a very simple case.
12:04:56 But let's take a look at it.
12:04:58 First of all, we were able to work with our community
12:05:01 But look at the impact on this veteran mother.
12:05:05 She is a nursing student during the day, and at night she
12:05:09 works as a technician in an emergency room.
12:05:14 Had she been evicted, she would have had to take time off,
12:05:17 she would have had to look for an apartment, move, and
12:05:22 settle in her children.
12:05:23 She most likely would have lost a lot of time from school
12:05:26 and probably would have had a dropout.
12:05:29 Because we were able to dismiss that eviction, that did not
12:05:32 happen to her.
12:05:32 So her prospects for a better financial future for her and
12:05:36 her children are much better.
12:05:40 Let's look at the children.
12:05:41 Had that eviction gone through both kids' lives would have
12:05:44 been completely disrupted.
12:05:46 The mother would have looked for a school within the local
12:05:49 school district, that the kids were in, but most likely she
12:05:54 would not have been able to find an apartment in that
12:05:56 And research times, the unplanned moves on children, disrupt
12:06:01 their education.
12:06:06 So these kids lives were not disrupted because that eviction
12:06:10 was dismissed. So you can see the effect of legal services
12:06:13 at a critical time in someone's life.
12:06:23 I will be more than happy at any time to have a conversation
12:06:26 with you at our legal services.
12:06:27 I thank you so much for the time you have allowed me this
12:06:30 Thank you very, very much.
12:06:33 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
12:06:33 Mr. Suarez.
12:06:34 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you.
12:06:37 Obviously bay area legal services is near and dear to my
12:06:40 My wife is one of the attorneys there.
12:06:41 And people don't understand the type of work that you all
12:06:46 You touched so many different lives, and so many different
12:06:49 It's not just people who are having experiences as homeless,
12:06:53 but also people that are trying to get back their
12:06:57 grandchildren after children have been taken away from the
12:07:01 There are so many other issues that you all deal with, and
12:07:04 you mentioned the family justice center is a big component
12:07:08 of what you all do.
12:07:09 Can you give a Web site address so that people can contact
12:07:15 you at your phone number so they know how to get in dutch
12:07:18 with you if you want to and actually help in terms of
12:07:20 providing funds or providing volunteers, and also for people
12:07:24 who need your services?
12:07:25 >> Thank you so much.
12:07:33 My direct phone number is 813-273-1222 extension 144.
12:07:40 I welcome the opportunity to speak with any of you at any
12:07:44 I thank you so much for your kind words.
12:07:46 >> Thank you for your patience in being here during a very
12:07:51 lengthy and long morning.
12:07:53 So thank you very much for presenting to us.
12:07:55 >> My pleasure.
12:07:57 >>HARRY COHEN: I want to thank you very much and
12:08:02 particularly Councilman Suarez for making the motion to
12:08:05 bring this up.
12:08:05 I want to plug another one of your programs, and that is the
12:08:11 clinic that you hold on the second floor of the Edgecomb
12:08:15 Courthouse on Twiggs Street, and those are clinics that are
12:08:18 open to people who have to fill out -- there are hundreds of
12:08:22 forms that you have to fill out, various things within the
12:08:26 court system.
12:08:28 They are very confusing and bay area legal service offers
12:08:31 invaluable help to people both through clinics and private
12:08:35 appointments where they can come in and be instructed on how
12:08:38 to feel out forms.
12:08:40 So it's something that people should take advantage of.
12:08:42 >> Yes.
12:08:45 Thank you so much.
12:08:46 >> I need an open.
12:08:48 Thank you very much.
12:08:49 Councilman Suarez, for the work you all do for the five
12:08:54 county area.
12:08:56 Appreciate it very much.
12:08:56 Need a motion to open 9 and 10.
12:08:58 >> So moved.
12:09:02 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion to open 9 and 10.
12:09:05 Mrs. Montelione, would you kindly take number 9?
12:09:07 This is first reading.
12:09:08 The public gets involved in the second reading.
12:09:10 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Yes, sir.
12:09:16 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: The reason I am bringing it up is this
12:09:19 is, I believe, the request at that time, three to five days
12:09:22 on the extension of time.
12:09:23 >> Either me or Mr. Suarez.
12:09:28 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I will be glad to read it.
12:09:30 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: You read it.
12:09:31 Number 9.
12:09:32 >> I present an ordinance presented for first reading
12:09:34 consideration, an ordinance to the city of Tampa, Florida
12:09:36 amending code of ordinances chapter 2, article 5, division
12:09:40 3, section 2-282, procurement protest procedures, extending
12:09:45 the time for filing a protest from three days to five days,
12:09:49 extending the time of interested parties to intervene from
12:09:51 three days to five days, providing for severability,
12:09:54 repealing conflicts, providing an effective date.
12:09:57 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion by Mr. Suarez.
12:09:59 I have a second by Mr. Cohen.
12:10:00 All in favor of that motion?
12:10:03 Opposed nay?
12:10:05 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried unanimously. Second reading of
12:10:07 the ordinance will be held June 28th at 9:30 a.m.
12:10:13 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: We go to item number 10.
12:10:16 An ordinance for first reading.
12:10:20 Ms. Capin, would you kindly take number 10?
12:10:24 >>YVONNE CAPIN: An ordinance of the city of Tampa, Florida
12:10:26 making revisions to the City of Tampa code of ordinances
12:10:30 chapter 20.5, signs, amending section 20.5-11, billboard
12:10:38 signs, repealing all ordinances or parts of ordinances in
12:10:42 conflict therewith, providing for severability, providing an
12:10:45 effective date.
12:10:45 >> Second.
12:10:48 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion by Mrs. Capin, a second
12:10:50 by Ms. Montelione.
12:10:52 All in favor of that motion?
12:10:56 Motion passes 6 to 1.
12:10:58 >>THE CLERK: The second reading of the ordinance will be
12:11:01 held June 28th at 9:30 a.m.
12:11:04 >> We go back to item 88.
12:11:15 Where is Cathy Coyle?
12:11:18 Then we are going to go to item 90.
12:11:21 Item number 90 is a request.
12:11:34 >> I need to give that date which would be September
12:11:41 27th, 2012.
12:11:44 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: 89 will be held on September 27th,
12:11:50 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Yes, sir.
12:11:51 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I need that motion made by Mrs. Capin,
12:11:54 second by Mr. Cohen.
12:11:55 All in favor of the motion?
12:11:58 Eyes have it unanimously.
12:12:03 >>CATHERINE COYLE: Planning division.
12:12:04 The CI zoning issue relates totals 5300 block, the parcel
12:12:12 there, by landmark realty.
12:12:14 I did check the comply and there is an active violation on
12:12:18 the site.
12:12:19 It is zoned CI as I mentioned in the motion, which currently
12:12:24 is under citation for illegal use.
12:12:28 There apparently has been what appears to be an
12:12:30 establishment of like a salvage yard or junkyard facility
12:12:33 with some wrecked vehicles.
12:12:35 It is under currents citation.
12:12:36 According to the system it is up for hearing.
12:12:39 Code enforcement hearing next week.
12:12:43 And also some other notes it did read there appears to be
12:12:48 someone living on-site, complaints about raw sewage running
12:12:52 into the street, but as far as the process, it is in the
12:12:55 code enforcement process and coming up for hearing.
12:12:57 I also mentioned Mr. Slater, so he would be aware, to bring
12:13:03 him up to speed if there is any additional reports
12:13:05 potentially after the hearing that you would like to see.
12:13:08 >>FRANK REDDICK: Would you explain to me why in a
12:13:16 residential community, this is zoned CI, this one lot on the
12:13:26 corner of a residential community zoned CI?
12:13:29 >>CATHERINE COYLE: This a particular parcel -- and I don't
12:13:31 have the zoning atlas -- it is just south of Hillsborough
12:13:34 and 37th, and that CI zoning does extend back from
12:13:38 We have nine designations throughout the city like that.
12:13:42 And it runs most of the major arterial corridors, a lot of
12:13:45 the collector corridors within the city, that's where the
12:13:48 commercial districts are, and immediately behind them,
12:13:51 that's how the city is laid out immediately behind,
12:13:54 specifically residential, and there's a lot of conflict with
12:13:56 those particular types of uses.
12:13:58 Just know that this particular use is found on this property
12:14:02 and that's why it's under violation, is actually too intense
12:14:04 for that district.
12:14:07 So in normal cases it wouldn't be a use like this.
12:14:10 >> All right.
12:14:18 How could it be removed so it won't be part of the
12:14:21 residential community?
12:14:23 And put it on the Elmo.
12:14:28 I don't think nobody wants to have this in their community.
12:14:42 This is what is in this residential community.
12:14:44 This is a corner lot.
12:14:46 And as you can see -- okay.
12:14:58 I mean, this is more like the old days of Sanford and son
12:15:06 It's a disgrace to this community that you have all of this
12:15:12 on a corner lot, where people drive up and down, walk up and
12:15:18 down their street, and they have to be part of this in their
12:15:24 community, and these people are trying to maintain the
12:15:26 upkeep of their homes.
12:15:28 Show the next one.
12:15:29 Just the pictures.
12:15:33 And we have a trailer here, somebody lives on this trailer,
12:15:41 allows people to come in and out at night.
12:15:50 And this is embarrassing.
12:15:53 You see a water hole, talking about recently, hooked up to
12:15:59 this place, draining out from a sewer.
12:16:03 I mean, it's unsanitary.
12:16:06 And people shouldn't have to -- can you imagine walking down
12:16:11 the street and if there's a sewage drain, they are using a
12:16:14 water hole to drain out to the street, a water hose?
12:16:21 And it's an easy what I to get ring worms, and in the days
12:16:30 that I was growing up you have ring worms down the street,
12:16:33 and raw sewage, driving along looking down the street.
12:16:39 And you have people playing out there in the residential
12:16:42 neighborhood, and to have this drain, you can see the dog
12:16:48 don't even want to be a part of it.
12:16:51 This is my concern about all of this on a residential lot.
12:17:05 And in a community, residential community, on a lot.
12:17:09 It's zoned CI.
12:17:12 And there's got to be a way these people are having to deal
12:17:18 with this.
12:17:19 And like I say, code is citing and it's just embarrassing to
12:17:28 a neighborhood community.
12:17:29 People trying to maintain upkeep of their neighborhood.
12:17:32 So I don't know what could be done, but something needs to
12:17:38 be done.
12:17:39 And I don't think nobody sitting on this council wants to be
12:17:45 in a community and have to go through this every day.
12:17:48 And so I don't know if you have any suggestions, but
12:17:51 something needs to be done.
12:17:53 I can.
12:17:55 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I can say this, Mr. Reddick, I appreciate
12:17:57 your comments.
12:17:57 And sometime back, maybe six months, eight months ago, I
12:18:00 talked to the legal department, I won't mention names right
12:18:04 now, about making some changes to -- this is along the same
12:18:08 lines that you are talking about.
12:18:10 You know, code enforcement and others got involved in Drew
12:18:14 Park, and they say that it was a junkyard, when in essence
12:18:18 they were bringing in items, some items sold the next day
12:18:24 They went to the junkyard.
12:18:26 This is not cars being torn apart or anything of that
12:18:32 nature, but fan belts and things like that.
12:18:35 But I have been working on changing some of those codes, and
12:18:41 we will get to it further down, where you have a lot, no
12:18:43 matter what lot, and you have a business, and it's properly
12:18:46 zoned for that business, but you have automobiles, and you
12:18:49 have parks in there, and you have automobiles for any motor
12:18:53 vehicle, trailers, boats, things of this nature, and they
12:18:56 are there for a year, six months, with no tires, flat tires,
12:19:01 to the point if there was a fire, the good people of the
12:19:03 fire department couldn't get in to solve the problem of the
12:19:06 The good people in the police department, nothing happens
12:19:10 because you can't see them.
12:19:12 It's so compact piece of property that it is possible to
12:19:17 understand what's going on.
12:19:18 So I will have my office work with your aide and others to
12:19:22 see if in the future we make some of these changes, because
12:19:26 you can't keep a city clean by just legislate it sit.
12:19:30 It doesn't change things.
12:19:32 So although I don't believe in big government and in big
12:19:35 brother, I believe sometimes you have got to do what you
12:19:39 have to do to make the necessary changes.
12:19:41 And this is one of them that I have been looking at for
12:19:44 quite some time.
12:19:45 Yes, ma'am.
12:19:46 >>CATHERINE COYLE: If I could, I would say that we actually
12:19:52 spoke to Mr. Reddick on this particular item.
12:19:54 It is going through the code enforcement process.
12:19:56 This would not go to the Code Enforcement Board.
12:19:58 It actually goes to the zoning magistrate.
12:20:01 It is a swifter process.
12:20:02 Council actually made those changes awhile back to set that,
12:20:06 into a much quicker process, with a more definitive answer
12:20:10 at the end.
12:20:10 And it's up for hearing, I believe, next week according to
12:20:14 the record.
12:20:15 But in the end we actually agree because we had a site under
12:20:19 It is an illegal use as far as we are concerned.
12:20:22 Four of those vehicles, an accumulation of those vehicles is
12:20:25 considered a junkyard, and that is only allowed in the
12:20:27 industrial heavy district as a special use.
12:20:30 It is not a permitted use in CI or IG.
12:20:34 And if you recall, Mr. Miranda, you are correct, last year
12:20:36 we actually amended those regulation force recycling, for
12:20:39 building materials, and for other things, because we had a
12:20:41 lot of those issues in Drew Park, and we did create those as
12:20:45 permitted uses, very specific use standards.
12:20:48 So we did clean up a lot of that conflict that we are
12:20:50 having, for different types of things that are coming in and
12:20:53 But in any case, if you have storage of wrecked vehicles for
12:20:57 a long period of time and you are just salvaging them, only
12:21:01 permitted in an IH district with a special use permit so
12:21:04 whenever you see this on another type of property it's
12:21:07 grandfathered forever or actually illegally operating, and
12:21:10 then it would go through the process.
12:21:17 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you, Mr. Reddick.
12:21:19 We go to item number 90.
12:21:21 >> I'm a sergeant with the Tampa Police Department, one of
12:21:37 the supervisors that oversees the red light cameras program.
12:21:39 I will give you a brief overview of how the system works.
12:21:42 We currently monitor 15 intersections with 28 separate
12:21:47 cameras, and just a tool that we use.
12:21:54 It's a tool that we use at the police department, a tool on
12:21:59 the tool belt for crash reduction.
12:22:01 Traditionally over the last few years we have seen a
12:22:03 reduction of crashes overall at all of our intersections.
12:22:07 Anywhere from 6 to 9% per year.
12:22:10 And a combination of all these 15 different intersections,
12:22:15 from the time that we went live from November 1st to
12:22:20 April 30th seen a reduction of 16% at these specific
12:22:23 intersections so we are seeing something that's actually
12:22:26 working at about twice what the normal rate is because
12:22:30 that's good for us because it makes my supervisors happy
12:22:33 which makes me happy.
12:22:34 Other than that, we have a small amount of officers that
12:22:37 work this on a regular basis.
12:22:40 And I will open this up to my colleagues in revenue and
12:22:45 finance if you have any concerns concerning red lights.
12:22:48 >> Dennis O'Hara, revenue and finance department.
12:22:54 Could I have the presentation up, please?
12:23:07 You have seen a short PowerPoint,overs, sergeant.
12:23:14 The sergeant just went through some of the highlights of
12:23:15 that presentation.
12:23:16 If you would indulge me, get to the last page to talk about
12:23:20 the performance measurements associated with revenues.
12:23:23 And I will bring that up.
12:23:26 And you can see here, if you will recall, we implemented
12:23:29 this late last year, and allowed a grace period, started
12:23:34 issuing citations in November of 2011.
12:23:37 This is information through April.
12:23:42 >> Would someone in the back put it on our screens for full
12:23:49 Thank you.
12:23:49 >> Are you on the same page?
12:23:54 I apologize.
12:23:56 And we are giving you statistical information here, since
12:23:59 the grace period ended late last year, the end of April, and
12:24:04 you can see the number of violations, the citations issued
12:24:08 associated with those violations, the citations paid, and
12:24:12 the amount outstanding and the amount collected to date.
12:24:16 You will notice citations issued.
12:24:22 Some of that, of course, all of the violations are not
12:24:28 I when and coming approach
12:24:48 $6.4 million.
12:24:49 >>LISA MONTELIONE: If I may ask a question.
12:24:56 Are these red light cameras and officers who are on the
12:25:00 street issuing citations for red lights?
12:25:03 Because two of the numbers, February 12, camera violations,
12:25:07 7137, citations 9508, and April, 6536, under camera
12:25:16 violations and citations issued 6938.
12:25:20 >> Yes, ma'am.
12:25:21 Good eye.
12:25:21 This is just associated with traffic safety intersection
12:25:24 The reason you have that excess of citations issued versus
12:25:28 violations is the taming.
12:25:30 Many of those citations are issued from the previous month
12:25:33 as the review process takes place.
12:25:36 Very good question.
12:25:37 And this is solely associated with the cameras.
12:25:41 As you can see, a little over 3.4 million collected to date.
12:25:46 And we have broken out the piece of the pie that everybody
12:25:51 And you can see the stake, $70 per ticket, or a little less
12:25:56 than half of the total amount.
12:25:58 And we have also got the Thomas center, Miami project.
12:26:04 So taking all of that away, you see the city's portion is
12:26:07 just about half of what we collected.
12:26:10 The 3.4 million versus the 1.6 million.
12:26:14 After we pay the vendor, ATS, a little over of hundred that
12:26:18 you see we arrive at just under a million dollars in actual
12:26:22 collections so far, for about six months.
12:26:25 We are confident we are going to meet our target.
12:26:28 If you recall our target and what we budgeted this year, the
12:26:31 $2 million from these traffic safety cameras, we are
12:26:34 refining our projections now, and as Councilman cone
12:26:40 mentioned we are coming buff later this month with our
12:26:43 midyear and workshop for the next fiscal year and hopefully
12:26:47 will have better projections on this revenue audit.
12:26:52 >>MIKE SUAREZ: On the numbers that we are looking at here,
12:26:59 obviously you said you have about half of the amount
12:27:04 collected for the citations issued.
12:27:07 Do you have a breakdown of how many that have been argued,
12:27:14 meaning that they say a red light and then let go of?
12:27:21 I mean, what percentage of that?
12:27:24 What's our error rate?
12:27:28 >> Basically looking for the ratio of violations versus bona
12:27:31 fide citation.
12:27:32 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Essentially what I am saying is someone goes
12:27:37 in, says wait a minute, this is incorrect, I did not run a
12:27:40 red light, I was just turning rate on red, which I have
12:27:43 heard of some getting hit on, not going through the red
12:27:47 There were some of them that actually sent me a text about
12:27:52 And wanted to find out how many -- what's the error rate or
12:27:56 how many have been in error and we have said, no you are
12:27:59 right, this is a mistake.
12:28:02 Is there a large percentage, a net percentage, if you know
12:28:06 >> I believe we have that ratio. I don't have not.
12:28:09 I will ask my colleagues in the police department if they
12:28:11 have it or have it readily available.
12:28:13 >> I don't have specific numbers.
12:28:16 We don't really keep track.
12:28:17 I can tell you it's a handful out of the thousands that have
12:28:20 been issued.
12:28:20 I would say I can count maybe 10 to 15 out of maybe 10,000
12:28:25 or 15,000 citations and I have gotten calls to my office
12:28:29 and, yes, we agree that probably should not have been issued
12:28:32 or there may have been a digit on one of the of the tags
12:28:36 that looked like a zero but was really a Q.
12:28:40 Things of that nature.
12:28:41 Probably less than 20.
12:28:42 >> My knicks question is, we have a percentage here that
12:28:45 have not been paid.
12:28:46 Obviously, when do we send those to the state?
12:28:53 Is it a 06 day process?
12:28:55 >> There's 30 days from date of violation and then the
12:28:58 notice of violation from the company actually has to be
12:29:01 issued within 60 days, if that's not paid, there has to be a
12:29:04 uniform traffic citation that's issued.
12:29:07 So 60 days there's nothing that can be done with it.
12:29:10 >> So of the numbers that we have issued, and how many of
12:29:13 them we have not collected, and not collectible because they
12:29:19 have gone to the state, and I'm sure there must be a
12:29:21 production or time frame in which the police says, look,
12:29:24 it's been five months, we are not collecting from this guy,
12:29:28 his license has been suspended by the state, and we have had
12:29:32 a citation issued, but we are not expecting money to be
12:29:35 coming back at any time soon.
12:29:38 I mean, is there --
12:29:42 >> Once the uniform traffic citation is issued, it's treated
12:29:46 just like any other traffic citation.
12:29:48 It goes into the clerk's hands.
12:29:50 >> Let mow interrupt you sergeant.
12:29:52 That's my point.
12:29:53 Just like we handle any other traffic citation, we get to a
12:29:56 point where we know we are not going to collect or we figure
12:29:58 we are not going to collect because it's been six weeks,
12:30:02 eight weeks, four months, whatever.
12:30:05 How many of those are in here that we are looking at?
12:30:08 Because we are just saying lying anything that came from
12:30:12 November of 2011.
12:30:14 We are looking at 8100 camera violations, 4400 that were
12:30:19 cited, okay, 300 paid.
12:30:22 Now, I know that the paid number is probably an ongoing
12:30:25 numb, correct?
12:30:27 So if we are at 41,000 violations, 38 cited, we are still
12:30:33 behind by about 17,000, a little less than 17,000.
12:30:38 When do we say, yeah, you know what?
12:30:40 We are not going to get that money back.
12:30:43 I'm looking at it from a revenue standpoint, but also in
12:30:45 terms of how many of these violation do -- the number of
12:30:51 issues that we have in terms of citing them?
12:30:54 And then we are actually going to collect.
12:30:57 Here is the issue that I am bringing up.
12:30:59 There's a point where you get where enforcement and citation
12:31:06 will mean nothing to some folks out there.
12:31:08 What's the percentage of people that it's not going matter
12:31:10 if we have a camera there or don't have a camera. We are
12:31:13 going to have a certain number of people that never follow
12:31:15 along and pay their bills.
12:31:17 And I know that there's a number there somewhere.
12:31:19 And we have got the experience in terms of writing citations
12:31:22 for speeding that we know.
12:31:23 People don't show up at court.
12:31:25 They don't pay their citation.
12:31:26 They get suspended.
12:31:29 They are out there with a suspended license.
12:31:31 Does anybody know that number?
12:31:32 >> No.
12:31:33 We could provide you with a number of violations that turned
12:31:35 into citations that haven't been paid, so they turned into
12:31:40 And from that we can calculate the number of people that
12:31:43 actually paid those citations, or the number that went to
12:31:46 Dougherty because those are hard figures.
12:31:47 >> Because I figure we must have that number anyway for our
12:31:51 We have some numbers somewhere, that every year we have X
12:31:54 number are never going to pay, because we have seen that on
12:31:57 a historical basis.
12:31:58 And I assume that those same people that are getting caught
12:32:01 by a living police officer as opposed to a camera being
12:32:05 monitored by a police officer are going to be about the same
12:32:08 I just want to know what that number is, or if it's skewed
12:32:10 in any way because it's a red light camera. If you don't
12:32:14 mind providing that to us at some point, I appreciate it.
12:32:18 Thank you.
12:32:20 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Ms. Capin?
12:32:22 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Thank you, Mr. Chair.
12:32:23 What I am looking at here is it looks like between the
12:32:27 citations issued and the citations paid, it's over 40%.
12:32:34 That's not paid.
12:32:37 It's over 40% that's not paid.
12:32:41 Just by looking at the numbers that are up here.
12:32:44 And I appreciate that because I am wondering how we are
12:32:47 going to pursue that.
12:32:51 >> There will always be a particular gap due to the timing.
12:32:56 Those issued citation versus a period of time to pay it.
12:32:59 So we will capture -- the greatest example is February of
12:33:04 '12 when you see the violation citations.
12:33:08 There's a little bit of lag associated with violation, and
12:33:11 in terms of payment on the citation.
12:33:14 But you both are absolutely right.
12:33:16 There will be a component that will never get paid, and you
12:33:18 see this in other areas of the city, too.
12:33:21 So I'm certain we have the data somewhere.
12:33:23 We just don't have it right there.
12:33:25 >>FRANK REDDICK: I will be brief.
12:33:37 We are cutting into my time to eat so I am going to be
12:33:40 Let me just ask you a question.
12:33:42 I know when you come before us to present the preliminary
12:33:50 budget soon, now, would you have a break down?
12:33:54 I see where you have net revenue of $994,000.
12:34:00 And your budget layout, what you show with the red light
12:34:07 cameras, are they going to be shown in general revenue?
12:34:14 Or show a specific use, it's your plan to present?
12:34:25 >> Yes, sir.
12:34:26 And yes, these revenues go into the general fund.
12:34:32 Into the general revenue.
12:34:34 And we'll show that specifically.
12:34:36 >>FRANK REDDICK: I would hope that you all red line it so I
12:34:41 would like to know if it's being used for any other purpose
12:34:45 than general revenue, and that we see that.
12:34:50 And my last question, once a person -- once you all do
12:35:05 takeout to the individual driver, how long -- send a ticket
12:35:09 to the individual driver, how long does it take for a
12:35:12 person -- what's the time frame once the camera takes the
12:35:17 picture -- and the process that you all use to submit the
12:35:21 figure and it's mailed to the person, what is the date, the
12:35:26 time frame when you submit that ticket?
12:35:27 >> Usually the ticket goes out one to two days.
12:35:33 Once the officer approves the violation, it goes back to
12:35:37 Scottsdale, Arizona.
12:35:39 We send that out in a certified first-class mail, within one
12:35:44 to two days.
12:35:45 We have 30 days.
12:35:46 The company has 30 days by state statute to actually issue
12:35:49 >>FRANK REDDICK: The reason I ask that question is people
12:35:58 say by the time they received their ticket they didn't
12:36:00 realize they even ran a red light because of the time frame.
12:36:04 And say, for example, if they ran a light, if they ran a
12:36:15 light today, they might not receive the ticket in the mail
12:36:18 for maybe 10, 15 days later.
12:36:21 By that time, their mind is like, when did I do this?
12:36:27 And there's the confusion that a lot of them have.
12:36:30 >> I understand what you are saying.
12:36:31 Tallahassee slight delay because there are so many
12:36:35 safeguards put in place, that once the camera sees what it
12:36:38 thinks is a violation, that is reviewed by personnel at
12:36:43 American traffic solutions and send violations out that are
12:36:48 sent by -- set by City of Tampa and police department's
12:36:51 rules which state this is what we want in the violation.
12:36:54 That then comes to the police department.
12:36:55 And an officer actually reviews each one of those.
12:36:58 And through that review process he will pick the ones, yes,
12:37:01 this meets the criteria, the state statute, which then it
12:37:04 got back to Scottsdale, Arizona.
12:37:08 So it could be seven, eight, nine days.
12:37:12 When that mailing goes out just because there's two or three
12:37:15 people that we want to look at this, and make sure this is a
12:37:19 >> And there's a mailing that goes out, keep copies of the
12:37:32 mailing from the Postal service that actually where it goes
12:37:35 >> All right.
12:37:36 And the last question, too, our budget person, is it
12:37:41 possible, this last sheet, the department, quarter early?
12:37:55 >> I'm sorry, quarterly?
12:37:58 >> About half a year, six months or something?
12:38:00 >> Yes. Off the top of my head I don't see a problem.
12:38:05 I don't want to make a promise I can't keep.
12:38:07 >> Just this last sheet we are looking at.
12:38:10 >> Yes.
12:38:11 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Ms. Mulhern?
12:38:12 >>MARY MULHERN: I have a question for the sergeant.
12:38:16 And this is a question that I have gotten from constituents.
12:38:22 And I had this experience when they first -- last November,
12:38:26 I actually got one of the notifications.
12:38:31 And I knew it happened, but I was driving through an
12:38:35 intersection that I drive through pretty much every day for
12:38:38 the last six years, and I didn't even realize there was a
12:38:47 yellow light.
12:38:48 And when I was in the intersection, and it was red, I have
12:38:55 no doubt that somehow the timing of that light compared to
12:38:58 the other two lights previous to that was different than
12:39:05 what I experienced for the last five years.
12:39:06 And I have been hearing this from other constituents, too.
12:39:10 So I got the notice.
12:39:14 And then it happened to me again about a week later, when I
12:39:18 was really conscious to watch for the yellow light, and that
12:39:22 time, I don't think I ever saw the yellow.
12:39:25 I was in that intersection.
12:39:27 It was red.
12:39:28 And so there was something, the timing was really, of the
12:39:34 yellow light, was incredibly short, compared to what I was
12:39:38 used to.
12:39:39 And I never got, you know, that I knew of, I had gone
12:39:44 through a red light at that intersection before.
12:39:47 So then I started hearing from other people that were having
12:39:50 the same experience with their normal route where they would
12:39:54 come to.
12:39:56 So my question was -- and I did ask somebody about this, and
12:40:00 they said, no, the timing at the intersections where the
12:40:05 cameras are has never been changed.
12:40:08 Is that true?
12:40:09 Or was there some glitch at the beginning?
12:40:12 What is the status of that?
12:40:14 >> Yes, ma'am.
12:40:16 And that was part of the motion.
12:40:17 We talked to our transportation department.
12:40:18 They a sure us that not only have no timings been altered
12:40:24 associated with these cameras but all timings are done in
12:40:27 association with Florida statutes, other transportation
12:40:32 So they assured me no changes have been made associated with
12:40:34 these cameras.
12:40:35 >> And no timing, at any of the intersections, has changed?
12:40:44 >> Correct.
12:40:45 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Let me also say what hasn't changed.
12:40:48 You are approaching a light and it goes five, four, three,
12:40:51 two, one, and you think it's going to turn red, right?
12:40:56 It depends where you are at.
12:40:58 Some of them turn red and some of them just put a little
12:41:00 hand up and they stay green for 10, 15 seconds.
12:41:04 So they are all different.
12:41:07 I don't care what anybody tells you, from transportation on
12:41:10 down or up the ladder, it changes, and it depend honest
12:41:15 where you are at, that there is a difference.
12:41:17 That's why I said I wanted this money to go into
12:41:22 transportation needs and the changes at the intersections.
12:41:24 They are not all the same.
12:41:25 When you look at the box, as you are approaching, I thought
12:41:29 it was my glasses.
12:41:31 It wasn't me.
12:41:32 It was the sign.
12:41:34 It says 12, 13, 14, and you come down the other way.
12:41:38 Guess what.
12:41:40 Can't really see them because you have got a hand blinking
12:41:43 and it's so small instead of being this big.
12:41:45 I think the third world countries have a sign this big where
12:41:50 you see them.
12:41:51 These you get mixed up because they are so close together
12:41:53 the numbers are like digital things, that you don't know if
12:41:55 it's a six or a 16.
12:41:58 And that's where the problem lies.
12:42:00 And until we fix that, we are not going to have the true
12:42:05 reading and the public is not going to get.
12:42:11 That's all I have to say.
12:42:14 >>YVONNE CAPIN: When you said that the likes are per Florida
12:42:16 statutes, okay, is there a parameter?
12:42:21 Is it all the same?
12:42:23 Or you can have a yellow light, you know, 30 seconds to
12:42:28 three minutes.
12:42:30 Does the statute give you a range of how long the lights can
12:42:35 >> I do not know, ma'am.
12:42:37 It's outside of my expertise.
12:42:38 I do know that they have a number of guidelines.
12:42:44 >>YVONNE CAPIN: And I agree with the chairman that they are
12:42:46 not all the same.
12:42:47 So therefore I wondered if there was parameters within that
12:42:50 statute, because they are not the same.
12:42:54 And I also ask for the moneys to be used, likewise as the
12:43:01 chairman indicated.
12:43:03 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Mrs. Montelione, I'm sorry if I missed
12:43:06 I did not mean in the anyway.
12:43:07 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Is there something here that shows the
12:43:12 breakdown between where the violations are occurring on a
12:43:19 more frequent basis?
12:43:20 Because, now, I would like to see where the highest rate of
12:43:26 red light running is happening, and perhaps TPD should, you
12:43:33 know, put a couple of cruisers out there and reinforce the
12:43:37 message that there are red light cameras at this
12:43:41 intersection and you are going to be cited and bring
12:43:45 attention to those most dangerous intersections.
12:43:48 Because we are not talking about, for me at least, not
12:43:52 talking about people running red lights and getting tickets
12:43:54 and having to pay a fine.
12:43:55 For me, I'm talking about what is the most dangerous
12:43:59 intersection in our city and how can we fix it?
12:44:05 I say it as many times as I often can.
12:44:08 We are number one, maybe number two, depending on the month,
12:44:12 in pedestrian and bicyclist deaths, and we have to make the
12:44:16 message clear that we have an effort to change the habits of
12:44:23 drivers to recognize when it's their turn to drive and when
12:44:29 it's their turn to stop.
12:44:31 That's what it comes down to me.
12:44:32 It's safety.
12:44:33 And if we have -- if these cameras can do anything, at least
12:44:38 in my eye, it's to point out where the problem areas are.
12:44:44 >> Understood.
12:44:46 I believe it's slide 7 has the top ten violations for --
12:44:51 intersection force violations.
12:44:53 >> Can we see that slide?
12:44:57 I know you don't have C.it's somebody in the control room
12:44:59 back there.
12:45:02 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I am also above my time of 12:30.
12:45:05 >>LISA MONTELIONE: It's already 12:15 so we have to make a
12:45:14 motion, don't we, to go over the 12:30?
12:45:22 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Let's go to the locations.
12:45:23 >>LISA MONTELIONE: We are looking at -- well, Hillsborough
12:45:27 and Drew Park, 50th and South Tamiami Trail at Adamo,
12:45:33 Armenia, west Hillsborough, 50th.
12:45:36 So the northbound and southbound of 50th street is a
12:45:41 real problem.
12:45:47 I think this is the list that I would like to see, because
12:45:52 these are the intersections where we maybe could do some
12:45:56 transportation improvements, maybe in our capital projects,
12:45:59 to put some traffic calming -- traffic calming strategies --
12:46:09 I couldn't find the word -- into play.
12:46:12 When I talk about complete streets, we passed a resolution
12:46:15 Part of that is installing medians or installing better
12:46:21 crosswalks, or visibilities or things like that, so that
12:46:25 when we are doing improvement projects on our roadways, our
12:46:30 transportation division is looking at this list and focusing
12:46:36 on how to slow the traffic down in those areas so that
12:46:39 people aren't running those red lights and putting lives in
12:46:44 To me that's what this red light camera thing is all about.
12:46:49 So I would appreciate if we could have transportation take a
12:46:54 look at this list, and identify strategies for calming
12:47:02 traffic and slowing people down at those intersection
12:47:05 because we already know by proof of data that these are the
12:47:08 problem areas.
12:47:09 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have gone over my time.
12:47:10 And I have some items left on the agenda that I cannot
12:47:14 So we are going to call a recess to -- we have 15 minutes
12:47:19 till 1:00.
12:47:20 We are going to go to a 2:00 recess and be back at 2:00.
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02:05:23 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: City Council is called back to order.
02:05:48 Roll call.
02:05:48 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Here.
02:05:53 >>HARRY COHEN: Here.
02:05:55 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Here.
02:05:56 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Here.
02:05:58 I believe we got to item number 90.
02:06:01 Now we are on 91.
02:06:04 It's the resolution for a single source.
02:06:06 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Chair, I move item 91.
02:06:12 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion by Mrs. Montelione,
02:06:13 seconded by Mr. Suarez on 91.
02:06:16 All in favor?
02:06:17 The ayes have it unanimously.
02:06:19 Item 92 is an appearance by the Tampa Police Department
02:06:24 regarding items that we asked for the convention coming in,
02:06:28 and the report that I got is that they indicated the
02:06:34 memorandum of understanding has been mailed out, and they
02:06:37 have all been received and they will have it sometime in
02:06:39 >>LISA MONTELIONE: If I may, I asked for this.
02:06:43 April 26th. That was my birthday.
02:06:46 And I didn't get the birthday present I had hoped for,
02:06:49 because this item has been put off.
02:06:54 Obviously we are in June now, and asked for it at the end of
02:06:59 And to me, if the memorandum has been sent out, whether or
02:07:05 not we received them back, the knowledge of who we have
02:07:10 invited to participate is what is the salient issue for me,
02:07:18 not whether or not we have got them signed and squared away
02:07:21 and everything.
02:07:24 I really don't want to put this off any longer.
02:07:27 So -- and the other item is that I wasn't aware until this
02:07:36 morning that this had been requested for continuance,
02:07:41 because in my preparing for the meeting, it was the only
02:07:46 item that's on the final agenda that's different than the
02:07:51 draft agenda and the addendum.
02:07:54 And I know it's a matter of timing.
02:07:56 So I am going to ask if work out something about that
02:08:00 because it's very hard to know when something has been asked
02:08:03 for a continue answer when it's highlighted in that way.
02:08:07 Otherwise, I would have called Chief Castor and asked her to
02:08:11 appear and talk about the requested continuance.
02:08:17 So I don't know if it's appropriate if I can say that --
02:08:22 what was the date, I'm sorry that she wants to come back?
02:08:26 >>THE CLERK: She said its would workshop meeting not be
02:08:29 finalized until the beginning of July.
02:08:32 And the memo came in through the final -- after the final
02:08:37 agenda was prepared.
02:08:38 >>LISA MONTELIONE: So if the agenda came in after the final
02:08:42 agenda was prepared why wasn't it on the addendum?
02:08:47 >>THE CLERK: It was not on the draft agenda.
02:08:49 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I thought you said it came in after the
02:08:51 final agenda had been prepared.
02:08:56 >>THE CLERK: It came in after the draft was prepared.
02:09:01 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Possibly present it where even if they
02:09:03 haven't got ten finalization of the memorandum of
02:09:05 understanding, at least give you a list, give us a list of
02:09:09 all the --
02:09:11 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Okay, so then I would amend my motion
02:09:14 from April 26th to ask that Tampa Police Department
02:09:19 appear with a list of departments, agencies across the state
02:09:27 that have been invited to participate in the peace keeping
02:09:30 efforts during the Republican national convention,
02:09:33 regardless of whether they have signed agreements.
02:09:38 We would just like to have a list of invited departments be
02:09:43 brought forward.
02:09:44 And if we can have that at our next council session, which
02:09:48 will then be June 28th at 9:00 a.m.
02:09:54 10 a.m. under staff reports.
02:09:57 10 a.m. under staff reports.
02:09:59 >> and I second that.
02:10:02 And I wanted to point out that I think maybe the language in
02:10:05 the motion made it more difficult.
02:10:09 And again, now how we do motions, sometimes we miss things,
02:10:13 and maybe they miss things, but that's how it went out and
02:10:18 it looked like they were waiting to see who is actually
02:10:20 going to be presenting, representing us as to --
02:10:24 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Who was invited?
02:10:26 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Yes, yes.
02:10:28 >>HARRY COHEN: I'll support that, but just as an aside, it
02:10:34 may be they have the final -- if that's case I would prefer
02:10:41 to do that.
02:10:42 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I just don't want this dragging on for
02:10:44 something we have been asking for since day one.
02:10:47 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Motion by Mrs. Montelione, second by Mr.
02:10:49 All in favor of the motion? Opposed?
02:10:51 The ayes have it unanimously.
02:10:53 We go to item number 93, which is a resolution.
02:11:01 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I move item 93.
02:11:06 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Second.
02:11:08 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: On number 93, please indicate by saying
02:11:11 aye. Opposed nay.
02:11:12 Motion passes unanimously.
02:11:14 Item 94.
02:11:14 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Move item 94.
02:11:20 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Seconded by Mr. Cohen.
02:11:21 All in favor of the motion please indicate by saying aye.
02:11:24 Opposed nay.
02:11:25 The ayes have it unanimously.
02:11:28 And 95 is the sending of letters to a lot of individuals
02:11:46 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Mr. Chairman, I have had the opportunity
02:11:49 to discuss this with council member Montelione and Mr.
02:11:58 This was continued because the full council was not present,
02:12:02 and obviously there are issues involved.
02:12:05 I'm looking for council direction as to how to proceed based
02:12:09 on your discussion.
02:12:10 >>LISA MONTELIONE: If I may.
02:12:13 Since I brought up this motion, I guess I will be addressing
02:12:16 the issue, and we don't have a full council here because
02:12:24 other individuals might want to share their thoughts.
02:12:27 But when I originally made this motion, this original
02:12:32 motion, May 17th, I actually think we brought it up
02:12:36 before that, the first time we talked about it.
02:12:38 And it was an issue where time was of the essence.
02:12:43 I had requested that we send letters to the legislative
02:12:49 delegation so that if a special session needed to be called,
02:12:55 we would be halfway there, because at the time redistrict
02:12:59 was a topic of conversation, it was ongoing, it hadn't been
02:13:03 settled yet, and one or the other, the Senate or the house,
02:13:08 would have had to come back into session to approve the.
02:13:14 It turned out it was the house that had to come back and
02:13:17 approve the maps and that would have been the opportunity
02:13:20 for any discussion of home rule regarding concealed weapons
02:13:25 could come up.
02:13:26 But we missed that boat.
02:13:29 We missed that window.
02:13:30 And, unfortunately, I wish we would have moved forward
02:13:36 without finagling with the language and just moved forward
02:13:40 with it because that is an opportunity lost.
02:13:43 So I don't see that the legislature is going to be called
02:13:47 back into session between now and mid Waugh.
02:13:51 I don't know that sending letters to every sing is will
02:13:55 member of the house and the Senate will really make any
02:14:00 difference, because they would have to come back into
02:14:03 session and cost the taxpayers quite a bit of money to do
02:14:08 And I was looking at the fact they were going to come back
02:14:11 into session anyway, and a special session could have been
02:14:14 But again that opportunity has been lost so I don't see
02:14:16 asking for the legislature to come back, spending all that
02:14:21 money for a special session is something that can be
02:14:27 On one of the other letters we asked for or was requested to
02:14:32 be sent to the secret service.
02:14:34 After lengthy discussion was both Mr. Shelby and Mr.
02:14:37 Shimberg, we came to the conclusion -- and I believe it was
02:14:42 Mr. Shimberg who pointed out that council has been trying to
02:14:46 afford all avenues of free speech, exercising free speech,
02:14:52 first amendment rights, and we have really been working to,
02:14:56 you know, make this a process where everyone who has
02:14:59 something to say has the freedom and liberty to say it.
02:15:03 If the Secret Service hypothetically would move the line for
02:15:09 the secure perimeter, it would put protestors even further
02:15:15 from the actual event of the convention.
02:15:19 So that's defeating our purpose.
02:15:22 I mean, if we are trying to be within site and sound, even
02:15:26 if the Secret Service were to entertain moving it, which
02:15:29 they probably wouldn't, but even if they were, it would run
02:15:34 counter to everything else that we have been trying to do in
02:15:38 allowing the free speech of guests to come and be within
02:15:43 sight and sound of the convention.
02:15:45 So I suggest that we don't pursue that avenue of the Secret
02:15:52 Service, secure perimeter line, because of that reason.
02:15:57 So I don't know if that's going to do us any good either.
02:16:08 So I am going to withdraw my request of council.
02:16:14 I don't see the point in pursuing these letters and spending
02:16:18 any more time on it.
02:16:21 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
02:16:21 I have a motion for withdrawal by Mrs. Montelione, seconded
02:16:24 by Mr. Reddick.
02:16:25 Any further discussion by council members?
02:16:27 All in favor? Opposed?
02:16:28 The motion to withdraw is unanimous.
02:16:33 Thank you very much.
02:16:33 We are going to go back now to the other parts of the agenda
02:16:36 that have not been addressed, and we will do the 95 and 9
02:16:42 Item 70 is a motion to be set for public hearing by council
02:16:46 I need a motion so this hearing can be held July 19th at
02:16:51 10:30 in the morning.
02:16:52 >> Motion to move.
02:16:54 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Motion by Mr. Reddick, second by Mrs.
02:16:57 Montelione on item number 70. Further discussion by council
02:17:00 All in favor of that motion? Opposed?
02:17:04 Motion passes unanimously.
02:17:07 71 through 80 are public hearings.
02:17:10 Second readings of proposed ordinances.
02:17:20 Witnesses are to be sworn in prior to testifying.
02:17:22 I will leave this up to the clerk.
02:17:31 Anyone that's going to testify in these hearings 71 through
02:17:33 80 will have to be sworn in so if you think you are going to
02:17:36 speak, if you think you may not speak if you think you will
02:17:41 speak, please raise your right hand.
02:17:43 (Oath administered by Clerk)
02:17:50 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I need to open the second readings from
02:17:53 71 through 80.
02:17:55 >> So moved.
02:17:57 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Motion by Mr. Suarez, second by Mrs.
02:18:00 All in favor of the motion? Opposed?
02:18:03 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Chairman, could I ask for a motion to
02:18:04 receive and file any items available for public inspection
02:18:07 prior to voting on these?
02:18:09 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Items 71 through 80.
02:18:11 >>MIKE SUAREZ: So moved on that motion.
02:18:15 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Second.
02:18:16 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Please indicate by saying aye.
02:18:17 Opposed nay.
02:18:18 The ayes have it unanimously.
02:18:21 Okay, these are public hearings.
02:18:25 This is an ordinance presented for second reading and
02:18:27 adoption on a right-of-way, Gray Street area and Rome
02:18:34 Anyone cares to speak on item 71?
02:18:36 >>HARRY COHEN: I am be a staining from telephonic voting on
02:18:46 71, 72 and 79.
02:18:48 And the reason is that my father and uncle own a building
02:18:51 that directly abuts the properties in question and they have
02:18:55 operated a business in that area for a number of years.
02:19:02 So I am going to file the items with the clerk at this time.
02:19:08 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
02:19:09 >> Deacon Jenkins from New Salem Missionary Baptist church,
02:19:22 with items 71 and 72, and how it adversely affects our
02:19:26 church community and our church.
02:19:29 We came this morning to let you know that basically this
02:19:36 street, that is already closed at Rome --
02:19:43 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Just a second.
02:19:44 Okay, we got it now.
02:19:45 >> The street is already closed at -- we have over 100
02:19:56 people who perceive, do not use the interstate. They come
02:20:01 from neighborhoods like Carver City where they come down
02:20:05 Lois and hit Gray and come straight down.
02:20:08 I would like to protect our people because whatever reason
02:20:14 they choose to make that route.
02:20:16 This is a particular crossing that they want to close.
02:20:20 If we look to my left, we are going east.
02:20:24 The picture does not depict New Salem.
02:20:27 New Salem is at the stop sign to the right.
02:20:31 They want to close this street here which would deadlock my
02:20:36 church, and we are not happy about that at all.
02:20:43 Here is a picture with our church property which they want
02:20:45 to close.
02:20:46 This is Gray Street, taking it from the angle of Gray
02:20:49 Street, legislate you know where our church resides and has
02:20:53 been in existence for 107 years.
02:20:55 We serve our community with a grocery store, with outreach,
02:21:00 and it's just not viable to close that for us.
02:21:04 Now, if you want us out of that neighborhood, it seems like
02:21:08 you are trying to drive us out to me.
02:21:10 And we have 400 people, 500 petitions that wanted to be
02:21:16 here, so we could have a hearing at a time that my
02:21:22 constituents will be here, we'll bring 600 people.
02:21:24 We don't want it closed.
02:21:26 And on that level, nobody has tried to contact the church,
02:21:31 no developer, whoever is running this group, they didn't
02:21:33 have the common decency to contact us and sit down with us.
02:21:38 So, you know, before you make any moves on that, we
02:21:42 definitely want to sit down.
02:21:49 >>FRANK REDDICK: Let me see that picture again, the one
02:21:54 that you showed of the church.
02:22:08 Is that Gray?
02:22:11 >> Yes, sir.
02:22:12 >>FRANK REDDICK: So that's they want to block it from Rome?
02:22:18 >> And if you block that from Rome to Oregon, the next
02:22:21 street you are going to want to block is Gray.
02:22:27 >> So if Gray is blocked that's an impact to the church?
02:22:31 >> That's right.
02:22:32 And the next street will be Gray, I guarantee you.
02:22:35 >>FRANK REDDICK: that's what I wanted to make sure that was
02:22:38 Gray on that side.
02:22:39 >> Whoever wants to develop this property, if you stand in
02:22:43 front of the church, it's Gray.
02:22:46 They closed State.
02:22:51 We are already pinned in.
02:22:53 They want to start at Rome and come all the way up to
02:22:59 >>FRANK REDDICK: I know the petitioner will tell us but let
02:23:05 me ask you, you stated that no one contacted your church.
02:23:11 >> No one has contacted us, period.
02:23:14 >>FRANK REDDICK: About this development?
02:23:15 >> Correct.
02:23:16 The only way we knew about this hearing, they stuck signs
02:23:20 And usually they put them in front if they want to us
02:23:23 They put them on Gray.
02:23:25 The city workers who put them out, they put them on Gray,
02:23:28 they put them on Rome, you know.
02:23:31 I'm just being an advocate for my church.
02:23:34 We found out, we have to do our due diligence.
02:23:38 >>FRANK REDDICK: I am going to wait to hear what the
02:23:41 petitioner has to say.
02:23:42 >> Okay, no problem.
02:23:44 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I'm sorry, sir, before you sit down,
02:23:50 something just caught my ear when you were speaking.
02:23:52 You said the church has been in existence for 107 years.
02:23:55 And at the same location?
02:23:58 >> No.
02:24:00 70 at the same location.
02:24:01 >> Because looking at the neighborhood, I have been in that
02:24:07 neighborhood, around the street, and in 70 years we have
02:24:11 seen a lot of change.
02:24:12 >> That's correct.
02:24:13 We have seen a lot of change.
02:24:15 But that doesn't mean we have to agree with the change.
02:24:17 >>LISA MONTELIONE: No.
02:24:18 And the other thing that caught my ear was that you said the
02:24:25 city workers who put out the signs.
02:24:28 And that, to my knowledge, is incorrect.
02:24:32 City workers do not put out the public notice, public notice
02:24:35 hearing signs.
02:24:36 The petitioner does.
02:24:38 So for all the city workers who are out there listening,
02:24:42 don't want anybody to think that they are being charged with
02:24:46 impropriety by not putting signs where they are visible.
02:24:51 So any city workers out there listening, you're off the
02:24:55 >> All I'm saying is wherever the signs were placed, it
02:25:03 wasn't changed for --
02:25:06 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I just wanted to point out, it wasn't
02:25:08 city workers.
02:25:09 >> And I truly apologize to the city workers.
02:25:15 That's not my fight.
02:25:17 My fight is whoever got them out there.
02:25:18 >>MIKE SUAREZ: The property is owned by the church,
02:25:23 >> No.
02:25:24 The property that they want to close --
02:25:28 >>MIKE SUAREZ: No, sir, your property.
02:25:30 The church property.
02:25:32 What's it named under?
02:25:35 >> New Salem Missionary Baptist church.
02:25:36 >> The reason I'm asking is because we have a certificate of
02:25:38 mailing for several different property owners.
02:25:41 I don't see your name listed on there.
02:25:43 And I don't know why that is.
02:25:45 Maybe I am wrong about that.
02:25:46 Maybe I am missing something in the record.
02:25:48 But I just want to make sure.
02:25:50 >> I'm glad you brought that to our attention.
02:25:52 We are about the only thing left over there.
02:25:54 >> I know, and there's only a few properties listed so I am
02:26:00 not sure why that is.
02:26:05 I want to make sure what is name is.
02:26:11 They are number one on the list?
02:26:12 Where is it in the record?
02:26:19 I don't see it anywhere in the record.
02:26:20 And again, I apologize to everyone that is looking at me
02:26:23 right now with wide eyes.
02:26:25 I'm looking at what I have in my book.
02:26:27 I do not see it.
02:26:28 And so I just want to make sure that we are correct about
02:26:31 >>JULIA COLE: Legal department.
02:26:33 We'll need to get the list with the affidavit of what was
02:26:35 actually part of the certificate of mailing.
02:26:39 I'm not sure if that is included in the packet of
02:26:41 information that you get.
02:26:42 It may be.
02:26:43 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I have here a list of surrounding property
02:26:47 owners and participating organizations and they are not
02:26:49 listed on there.
02:26:50 And that's why I'm curious as to --
02:26:53 >>JULIA COLE: Let me go pull the official list out of the
02:26:57 clerk's office.
02:26:59 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Please do because I think that might be a
02:27:01 good idea.
02:27:04 Maybe I'm missing it.
02:27:09 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Next, please, while they are looking for
02:27:17 >> Honorable City Council members, I appreciate you giving
02:27:27 me the opportunity to have me come before you this evening.
02:27:31 I'm actually joining deacon Jenkins here in opposing the
02:27:35 closing of Gray Street.
02:27:40 I would just like to show you a couple of pictures that I
02:27:48 We succeeded to Oregon and state street already.
02:27:55 We have given that.
02:27:56 So that was closed just for the west end project.
02:27:59 And I think that the developer already said that the project
02:28:05 posed many financial difficulties.
02:28:07 But I asked the developer if he cut down some of the square
02:28:13 footage and alleviated that lavish parking lot that he's
02:28:17 going to build.
02:28:18 You know, he may be able to sit his whole unit on that lot.
02:28:28 This is the side of the west end project.
02:28:35 And as you can see, there's plenty of room that they didn't
02:28:40 even use.
02:28:42 So it's just a gated-in enclosure right now.
02:28:56 This is the proposed site.
02:29:01 And looking at that site, I want to show you something else.
02:29:05 You see how much land they actually have.
02:29:17 This is the back of the rear of the west end project.
02:29:24 Now, that whole structure, as it is right now, would
02:29:28 actually fit right on that lot that they want, and yet they
02:29:35 are saying that they need Gray Street.
02:29:41 Just so you can put a lavish parking lot?
02:29:46 But you can accommodate more, and also be financially savvy.
02:29:51 (Bell sounds)
02:29:52 The last time I checked, we pay by the footage on
02:29:58 If you cut down some of the square footage of a living
02:30:00 dwelling, then, you know, you make it more affordable for
02:30:05 the home.
02:30:11 I guess my time is about up.
02:30:17 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: No, your time is not up yet.
02:30:19 >> Okay.
02:30:20 And basically, like I said, just to --
02:30:23 (Bell sounds).
02:30:24 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Now your time is up.
02:30:25 [ Laughter ]
02:30:26 >> Thank you.
02:30:29 >> Your name for the record, please?
02:30:34 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: We need your name for the record.
02:30:35 >> Oh, couldn't hear it?
02:30:38 Bobby Royal.
02:30:40 Basically just to give up a street so that you can have a
02:30:44 parking garage, no.
02:30:53 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Julia.
02:30:54 >>JULIA COLE: Legal department.
02:30:56 To clarify for the record the notice only requires notice
02:30:59 for the property owners abutting the portion of the
02:31:02 right-of-way that you are vacating for rezoning, 250 feet.
02:31:06 So with this, I don't believe the church was abutting that
02:31:11 They are within the notice area for the rezoning.
02:31:13 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I just want to make sure because obviously
02:31:17 there are certain rules that we deal with.
02:31:19 And when I have someone saying I haven't been noticed and I
02:31:23 look in the record and I don't find that they have been
02:31:27 noticed I want to make sure that I am right about that.
02:31:29 And there's a reason why he has not been noticed.
02:31:31 >>JULIA COLE: You are correct, and that's for the vacation
02:31:36 that the church property is not abutting the right-of-way so
02:31:38 they were not noticed, and it is not an obligation.
02:31:42 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you very much for clearing that up,
02:31:45 Ms. Cole.
02:31:49 >>DAVID MECHANIK: 305 South Boulevard here on behalf of the
02:31:53 (Bell sounds)
02:31:54 I would like to just state for the record that as Julia just
02:31:58 explained, we were not required to notify the church, but we
02:32:02 did check the two companion rezoning application, which is
02:32:08 item 72, the church is first on the list, so they did
02:32:13 receive notice of the rezoning.
02:32:15 But I would like to also say, and my client unfortunately
02:32:20 could not be here today.
02:32:22 He had to be out of town.
02:32:24 But he did advise me that he attempted several times to
02:32:27 contact the church and left a voice mail and had put in a
02:32:32 call specifically to reverend Jenkins.
02:32:35 But having said that, they weren't able to talk.
02:32:41 And so what I would really ask is we have an opportunity to
02:32:45 meet with the church representative, and if council would
02:32:48 consider continuing this hearing for -- until the next City
02:32:54 Council date that's available for this kind of matter.
02:32:57 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I move to continue to the date at
02:33:01 Mr. Mechanik's request.
02:33:03 >> Second.
02:33:05 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Motion by Mrs. Montelione, second by Mrs.
02:33:08 >>MARY MULHERN: I have a question about if we do continue
02:33:12 it, the parishioners don't want you to close the street, so
02:33:21 is there something you are going to be able to work out?
02:33:25 We might need to hear from -- I would like to hear from you.
02:33:35 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: He's not going to get up and speak unless
02:33:37 you ask him.
02:33:38 >> Yes, our request is to sit down and speak with them,
02:33:44 because anything that impacts that neighborhood impacts us.
02:33:47 And New Salem Missionary Baptist Church Incorporated, we are
02:33:52 responsible to our membership.
02:33:55 And we would sit down and listen to them.
02:33:59 But I must come here to make them do that.
02:34:02 So that's what I have.
02:34:03 >>MARY MULHERN: I just feel like you are not necessarily
02:34:06 going to --
02:34:07 >> We may not change, but we would grant them the
02:34:12 That's not a problem.
02:34:13 >>MARY MULHERN: I just want to make sure.
02:34:15 >> Yes, we are willing to do it.
02:34:18 >>FRANK REDDICK: Just Ford record, the pastor's name is the
02:34:26 reverend Dr. Lawrence, not Jenkins, for the record.
02:34:32 >> Oh, I'm sorry.
02:34:33 >>FRANK REDDICK: And I believe, deacon, you will need to
02:34:39 give the petitioner a number, where he can have direct
02:34:44 contact, because it goes to the left a message on the church
02:34:54 recorder and so before you leave if you can give
02:34:57 Mr. Mechanik the direct number of how somebody can be
02:35:02 reached directly so there won't be a miscommunication
02:35:05 between the time he comes before us again.
02:35:08 >> Yes, sir.
02:35:09 >> I appreciate if you could work that out.
02:35:12 >> Absolutely.
02:35:13 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Any other council members at this time?
02:35:16 What's the date?
02:35:17 >>LISA MONTELIONE: That's what I was going to ask.
02:35:19 Mr. Mechanik, do you a preference date?
02:35:21 >> We just checked the calendar.
02:35:23 I think June 28th is the next available.
02:35:26 >>LISA MONTELIONE: June 28th is the next regular
02:35:32 session of council, 9:30 a.m., June 28th.
02:35:38 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Is that all right with the reverend?
02:35:40 June 28th?
02:35:41 I'm sure between now and then they will get together.
02:35:45 >>LISA MONTELIONE: And I'm sure we will be as on time as
02:35:50 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Day ornate.
02:35:50 We have an a.m. and a p.m.
02:35:53 Mrs. Mulhern?
02:35:53 >>MARY MULHERN: (off microphone).
02:36:02 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion for that item number 71
02:36:04 by Mrs. Mulhern, seconded by Mr. Suarez for continuation
02:36:08 till 9:30 a.m. on June 28th of the year 2012.
02:36:13 All in favor of that motion please indicate by saying aye.
02:36:15 Opposed nay.
02:36:17 Motion passes.
02:36:19 Now we have --
02:36:21 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Mr. Chairman, forgive me for interrupting,
02:36:25 but even if this is a continuance I think Mr. Cohen should
02:36:30 >>HARRY COHEN: I'm abstaining for the record.
02:36:32 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Thank you.
02:36:34 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Now we have item 72.
02:36:37 And you are asking for a continuation?
02:36:40 >>DAVID MECHANIK: Yes, we make the same request for item 72
02:36:42 and 79.
02:36:44 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: To June 28th at 9:30 a.m.
02:36:48 I have a motion by Mrs. Montelione, second by Mr. Reddick on
02:36:51 72 and 79.
02:37:00 All in favor of that motion please indicate by saying aye.
02:37:03 Opposed nay?
02:37:05 Mr. Cohen is abstaining on both 72 and 79.
02:37:10 Thank you all very much.
02:37:14 Item number 73.
02:37:22 Second reading.
02:37:30 Is the petitioner here on 73?
02:37:32 >> Kami Corbett, Tampa, Florida.
02:37:47 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Anyone in the audience that would care to
02:37:48 speak on item number 73?
02:37:51 Come forward.
02:37:51 >> I would like to say there were some amendments to the
02:37:56 At last meeting there were some questions, and I was
02:37:59 expecting staff to be here to talk about the brick issue
02:38:02 that you had raids before on the inventory of bricks.
02:38:07 And I had agreed at the last hearing that I wouldn't object
02:38:10 to an inventory of the brick.
02:38:12 And we amended the resolution to include that.
02:38:14 And it's acceptable to me.
02:38:16 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I remember an e-mail coming from staff
02:38:21 indicating there is an inventory of brick.
02:38:25 >> No, there is not.
02:38:26 I'm sorry.
02:38:27 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Okay, no problem.
02:38:32 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I made that motion.
02:38:33 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: It makes no difference to me who made the
02:38:35 motion or who woke up at 7:30 or 8:00.
02:38:38 I just want to get through here.
02:38:40 >> If you read the language in the -- the alternative
02:38:43 language, they changed the language and actually included a
02:38:46 requirement that we provide an inventory before the brick is
02:38:49 My understanding is that the brick was going to be counted
02:38:53 before first and second reading.
02:38:58 That was not the understanding?
02:39:02 But there is in there that the brick will be inventoried and
02:39:05 that the city does not provide for inventory counting.
02:39:11 That's the way I read it.
02:39:12 >> As I read it, the petitioner is responsible for creating
02:39:18 the inventory, and then submits it to the city for review
02:39:23 and approval for the city to sign off and say, yes, we agree
02:39:27 the inventory, the petitioner, the person removing the brick
02:39:29 would have to do that.
02:39:30 >> And the plats.
02:39:34 >> Yes.
02:39:34 Again that's acceptable to us.
02:39:36 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Any other council members?
02:39:39 City staff, anyone?
02:39:42 One more time on the audience portion.
02:39:43 Anyone in the audience care to speak on item number 73?
02:39:47 I see no one.
02:39:48 I need a motion to close.
02:39:50 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Motion to close.
02:39:53 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Seconded by Mrs. Mulhern to close 73.
02:39:56 All in favor of the motion please indicate by saying aye.
02:39:59 Opposed nay.
02:39:59 The ayes have it unanimously.
02:40:02 We go from left to right.
02:40:04 Ms. Montelione, would you take 73, please?
02:40:10 A substitute ordinance, I'm sorry, the one at the bottom.
02:40:12 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Thank you.
02:40:16 I move substitute ordinance being presented for second
02:40:19 reading and adoption, an ordinance vacating, closing,
02:40:20 discontinuing, abandoning an alleyway, 6th Avenue, bound
02:40:27 on the east by 40th Street, on the west by 39th street,
02:40:31 all that portion of 40th Street lying south of 7th
02:40:33 Avenue and north of 6th Avenue, and all that
02:40:36 intersection in common between 40th Street and 6th
02:40:39 Avenue in Spanish park subdivision in the City of Tampa,
02:40:43 Hillsborough County Florida, and legally described in
02:40:45 section 1 hereof subject to certain easement reservations,
02:40:48 covenants, conditions and restrictions, more particularly
02:40:51 set forth herein, approving a request to impact a vitrified
02:40:57 brick street lying within a portion of said rights-of-way,
02:41:00 providing an effective date.
02:41:00 >> Second.
02:41:04 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion by Mrs. Montelione.
02:41:06 I have a second by Mr. Suarez.
02:41:07 Roll call vote.
02:41:08 Vote and record.
02:41:17 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried unanimously.
02:41:21 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much for attending.
02:41:23 Item number 74.
02:41:24 >> Sousa, land development, here to speak on 74, 75, 77 and
02:41:37 Site plans have been certified by the zoning administrator
02:41:39 and given to the clerk's office.
02:41:43 Staff is here if you have any questions.
02:41:47 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Is petitioner here on 74?
02:41:48 >> Yes, sir.
02:41:52 This request you see before you, we have had in a opposition
02:41:57 to this request, no calls of any kind.
02:42:01 This has been established and has been open for quite some
02:42:03 time, done a very good job, has great record.
02:42:06 Thank you.
02:42:07 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
02:42:07 Anyone in the audience care to speak on item number 74?
02:42:12 I see no one.
02:42:14 Need a motion to close.
02:42:15 Motion by Mr. Cohen, second by Mrs. Mulhern on a close vote
02:42:20 with Mrs. Montelione.
02:42:21 All in favor? Opposed?
02:42:23 The ayes have it unanimously.
02:42:24 Mr. Cohen, would you kindly take number 74?
02:42:27 >>HARRY COHEN: I move an ordinance being presented for
02:42:30 second reading and adoption, an ordinance repealing
02:42:32 ordinance number 2011-49, approving a special use permit S-2
02:42:38 for alcoholic beverage sales, bar/lounge on premises only
02:42:42 and making lawful the sale of beverages regardless of
02:42:45 alcoholic content, beer, wine and liquor on that certain
02:42:48 lot, plot or tract of land located at 304 East Davis
02:42:52 Boulevard, unit number 5, Tampa, Florida as more
02:42:55 particularly described in section 3, that all ordinances or
02:42:59 parts of ordinances in conflict are repealed, providing an
02:43:02 effective date.
02:43:04 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion by Mr. Cohen, seconded by
02:43:06 Mrs. Mulhern.
02:43:07 Roll call vote.
02:43:09 Vote and record.
02:43:14 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried unanimously.
02:43:21 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Item number 75.
02:43:24 >> My name is Mark Bentley, 201 North Franklin Street, Tampa
02:43:33 336 oh 02.
02:43:35 I represent the Wilson company, petitioner owner of the
02:43:37 subject property which is the old exchange bank building
02:43:40 located at the northeast corner of Twiggs and Franklin
02:43:43 I'm here to answer any questions that you may have.
02:43:49 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Any questions by council members?
02:43:50 Anyone in the audience care to speak on this item, item 74?
02:43:58 >> Motion to close by Mr. Cohen, seconded by Mr. Suarez.
02:44:03 All in favor? Opposed?
02:44:05 The ayes have it unanimously.
02:44:06 Thank you very much.
02:44:06 >> I move an ordinance being presented for second reading
02:44:14 and adoption, an ordinance approving a special use permit
02:44:17 S-2 approving a -- I'm sorry, I'm reading the wrong one.
02:44:23 I move an ordinance being presented for second reading, an
02:44:28 ordinance approving a special use S-2 for alcoholic beverage
02:44:32 sales, large venue on premises only and making lawful the
02:44:35 sale of beverages regardless of alcoholic content, beer wine
02:44:38 and liquor, on that certain lot, plot or tract of land
02:44:41 located at 611-6575 North Franklin Street, unit 655, Tampa,
02:44:47 Florida, as more particularly described in section 2
02:44:49 imposing certain conditions based upon the location of the
02:44:53 property that all ordinances or parts of ordinances in
02:44:55 conflict are repealed, providing an effective date.
02:44:59 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion for second reading and
02:45:02 I have a motion by Mrs. Mulhern, second by Mr. Cohen.
02:45:05 Roll call vote.
02:45:07 Vote and record.
02:45:07 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried unanimously.
02:45:18 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: 76.
02:45:24 Is petitioner here on 76?
02:45:26 >>ABBYE FEELEY: Land Development Coordination.
02:45:36 Talk away my other cases.
02:45:38 The applicant is here and is and the application is here
02:45:44 available for your review.
02:45:45 >> David Williams, 201 North Franklin street, Tampa, Florida
02:45:48 here on behalf of petitioner regarding the renovation and
02:45:53 expansion on 50th street.
02:45:56 We received no opposition, and are here to answer any
02:46:01 questions you might have.
02:46:02 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Any questions by council members?
02:46:03 Anyone in the audience care to speak on this item 76?
02:46:07 I see no one.
02:46:09 Motion to close by Mr. Suarez on a close second by Mr. Cohen
02:46:14 on 76.
02:46:15 All in favor? Opposed?
02:46:18 The ayes have it unanimously.
02:46:19 Mr. Reddick, would you take number 76, please?
02:46:22 >>FRANK REDDICK: Move an ordinance for second reading and
02:46:26 adoption, an ordinance approving a special use permit S-2
02:46:29 approving a professional residential facility in a CI
02:46:32 commercial intensive zoning district in the general vicinity
02:46:35 of 33rd 107 north 50th street in the city of Tampa,
02:46:39 Florida, and as more particularly described in section 1
02:46:42 hereof providing an effective date.
02:46:45 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Motion by Mr. Reddick, seconded by Mr.
02:46:48 Roll call vote.
02:46:50 Vote and record.
02:46:50 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried unanimously.
02:47:10 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Item number 77.
02:47:11 Is petitioner here?
02:47:13 >> David singer, 100 North Tampa Street, suite 4100.
02:47:18 Petitioner is here.
02:47:19 We had lengthy discussion a few weeks ago.
02:47:21 I'm available to answer any questions.
02:47:23 Thank you very much.
02:47:25 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Any questions by council members at this
02:47:26 Anyone in the audience care to speak on item number 77?
02:47:31 I see no one.
02:47:33 Motion to close by Mr. Cohen, seconded by Mr. Suarez.
02:47:36 All in favor of the motion please indicate by saying. I'm
02:47:39 opposed nay.
02:47:39 The ayes have it unanimously.
02:47:41 Mrs. Capin, would you kindly take number 77?
02:47:45 >>YVONNE CAPIN: An ordinance being presented for second
02:47:47 reading and adoption, an ordinance repealing ordinance
02:47:50 2006-82, approving a special use permit S-2 for alcoholic
02:47:55 beverage sales, small venue consumption on premise, package
02:47:59 sales, offpremises consumption, and making lawful the sale
02:48:02 of beer and wine at or from that certain lot, plot or tract
02:48:08 of land located at 2508 South MacDill Avenue, Tampa,
02:48:12 Florida, as more particularly described in section 3, that
02:48:16 all ordinances or parts of ordinances in conflict are
02:48:20 repealed, providing an effective date.
02:48:21 >> Second.
02:48:23 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion by Mrs. Capin, seconded
02:48:26 by Mr. Reddick on a close vote with Mr. Suarez.
02:48:28 Roll call vote.
02:48:30 Vote and record.
02:48:30 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried unanimously.
02:48:44 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: We go to item number 78.
02:48:48 >> Michael Diser, apartment 1307, harbor place Drive, I am
02:48:54 here to answer any questions if you have any.
02:48:56 Thank you very much.
02:48:58 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Any questions by council members at this
02:48:59 Anyone in the audience care to speak on item number 78?
02:49:05 Motion to close by Mr. Cohen, seconded by Mr. Suarez.
02:49:08 All in favor of the motion please indicate by saying aye.
02:49:10 Opposed nay.
02:49:12 The ayes have it unanimously.
02:49:14 Mr. Suarez, would you kindly take number 78?
02:49:18 >>MIKE SUAREZ: An ordinance being presented for second
02:49:21 reading and adoption, an ordinance repealing ordinance
02:49:23 number 2012-1 approving a special use permit S-2 for
02:49:28 alcoholic beverage sales/restaurant, on premises only and
02:49:32 making lawful the sale of beverages regardless of alcoholic
02:49:35 content, beer, wine and liquor, on that certain lot, plot or
02:49:39 tract of land located at 2617 West Kennedy Boulevard, Tampa,
02:49:43 Florida, as more particularly described in section 3, that
02:49:46 all ordinances or parts of ordinances in conflict are
02:49:50 repealed, providing an effective date.
02:49:52 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion by Mr. Suarez, seconded
02:49:55 by Mr. Cohen.
02:49:57 Roll call vote.
02:49:59 Vote and record.
02:49:59 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried unanimously.
02:50:09 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Item number 80.
02:50:14 You don't look like 80 but you are the right number 80.
02:50:18 >> Tom Myer, Lela Avenue, Tampa, representing the owner, and
02:50:27 I'm just here to answer any questions.
02:50:29 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Any questions to item number 80 by
02:50:31 council members?
02:50:32 Anyone in the audience care to speak on item number 80?
02:50:39 Motion to close by Mr. Cohen, second by Mr. Reddick.
02:50:42 All in favor of that motion please indicate by saying aye.
02:50:44 Opposed nay.
02:50:46 Motion to close is accepted.
02:50:48 Item number 80.
02:50:49 Mrs. Montelione, would you kindly take item number 80.
02:50:53 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I present an ordinance for second
02:51:00 reading and adoption, an ordinance rezoning property in the
02:51:03 general vicinity of 2115-2119 west Hillsborough Avenue in
02:51:07 the city of Tampa, Florida and more particularly described
02:51:09 in section 1 from zoning district classifications CI
02:51:13 commercial intensive, CG commercial general, and RS-50
02:51:17 residential single-family, to CI commercial intensive,
02:51:20 providing an effective date.
02:51:20 >> Second.
02:51:22 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion by Mrs. Montelione,
02:51:24 second by Mr. Suarez.
02:51:25 Roll call vote.
02:51:26 >> We have to do a voice roll call on that one I.don't have
02:51:33 it in the voting machine.
02:51:34 >>MARY MULHERN: Yes.
02:51:38 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Yes.
02:51:39 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Yes.
02:51:40 >>HARRY COHEN: Yes.
02:51:42 >>FRANK REDDICK: Yes.
02:51:43 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Yes.
02:51:45 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Yes.
02:51:47 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried unanimously.
02:51:55 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: The clerk can correct me if I made a
02:51:57 mistake but I think now we are at item 96.
02:52:00 Those are two public hearings that are quasi-judicial.
02:52:03 I need to open 96 and 97.
02:52:05 >> So moved.
02:52:07 >>FRANK REDDICK: Second.
02:52:08 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion by Mr. Suarez, second by
02:52:13 Mr. Reddick.
02:52:14 All in favor of that motion? Opposed?
02:52:18 The ayes have it unanimously.
02:52:29 Anyone that's going to speak on item number 96 and 97 have
02:52:32 to be sworn in.
02:52:33 96 and 97.
02:52:35 (Oath administered by Clerk)
02:52:45 >>CATHERINE COYLE: Planning division.
02:52:47 What you have before you is a petition for review for
02:52:50 special use 1, denial.
02:52:53 This request is located 1502 east Columbus drive and 12-25,
02:53:01 within the YC 5 classification which does allow minor
02:53:06 vehicle repair special use 1.
02:53:07 >>MARY MULHERN: There are several criteria for that
02:53:10 particular use.
02:53:11 They were denied based on the denial of the minimum area.
02:53:16 You will note it's at the northeast corner of Columbus and
02:53:22 It is immediately to the north of the CG zoning district.
02:53:25 This is the last edge essentially on this block of the YC
02:53:32 This is the property itself.
02:53:37 At the corner of Columbus and 15th.
02:53:44 Minor vehicle repair does require a 10,000 square foot lot.
02:53:47 We were unable to approve this particular one because the
02:53:50 lot area is 8,399 square feet.
02:53:54 8,399 square feet.
02:54:01 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Missing?
02:54:02 >> 601 square feet.