TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
Thursday, June 21, 2012
9 a.m. session
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09:02:33 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: City Council is called to order.
09:02:35 The chair yields to Mr. Harry Cohen.
09:02:39 >>HARRY COHEN: Please join our friend Steve Michelini this
09:02:42 morning for the invocation.
09:02:43 And then we will rise for the pledge of allegiance.
09:02:45 >>STEVE MICHELINI: Dear Lord, we ask that you bestow your
09:02:55 grace upon all those that are assembled here. We ask that
09:02:59 your almighty shield be there to protect us, your grace to
09:03:02 humble us, your spirit to guide us.
09:03:04 We ask that as your humble servants to help us in difficult
09:03:08 times to find the best path and the wisdom to know which to
09:03:12 We ask this in your name almighty God.
09:03:16 [ Pledge of Allegiance ]
09:03:38 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Roll call.
09:03:42 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Present.
09:03:42 >>FRANK REDDICK: Here.
09:03:44 >>HARRY COHEN: Here.
09:03:46 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Here.
09:03:49 The first item on the agenda will be the presentation of
09:03:54 accommodation to the police Officer of the Month by council
09:03:57 member Reddick and Chief Castor.
09:04:00 >>FRANK REDDICK: It's a pleasure to present to you our
09:04:21 Officer of the Month June to 12, captain Salvatore Algeiri.
09:04:34 >> Chief Castor: It's my pleasure to stand before you again
09:04:39 with one of the best and brightest of the Tampa Police
09:04:43 Sal ALGEIRI with the Tampa Police Department for 27 years.
09:04:49 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: When you said that, I thought it was one
09:04:51 of us.
09:04:52 Oh, I'm sorry, I apologize to you.
09:04:55 Mayor, I apologize to you.
09:04:56 >> No problem, sir.
09:05:00 Sal has been with the Tampa Police Department for 27 years
09:05:03 and I had the pleasure of working with him throughout my
09:05:05 career and he's actually a good friend of mine.
09:05:07 So it's quite a pleasure to present him today.
09:05:10 I am going to read just a couple of things that he has done
09:05:15 He's worked in just about every facet in the Tampa Police
09:05:18 He's been the homicide unit, he's worked in robbery,
09:05:22 criminal intelligence, and he's currently assigned to the
09:05:25 strategic investigation bureau.
09:05:28 Back in early 2011, he saw a pattern arising of identity
09:05:36 thefts, individuals who were reporting identity thefts, and
09:05:39 also at the same time officers out on the street were
09:05:44 pulling cars over and finding ledgers in there and debit
09:05:50 cards ands tax return information.
09:05:51 And Sal was able to coordinate all of the Tampa Police
09:05:53 Department's efforts towards the tax fraud issue, which I
09:05:58 think a lot of you are aware of.
09:06:00 And to date we have over $130 million of fraudulent tax
09:06:05 returns that are traced back to the Tampa Bay area, and
09:06:10 unfortunately, as my belief and Sal's as well, that's
09:06:13 probably the tip of the iceberg.
09:06:17 In his investigative efforts, he has seized over $5 million
09:06:21 in fraudulent refunds, cash, jewelry, cars and entertainment
09:06:26 systems is.
09:06:27 He was able to coordinate all of our investigative efforts,
09:06:30 and I think everyone knows by now that the Internal Revenue
09:06:33 Services hands are tied to a degree by virtue of the fact
09:06:38 that they can't share any tax information with local law
09:06:43 Ment so we were forced to go from an identity theft angle
09:06:47 which is normally a rather simple crime to investigate, but
09:06:51 these particular crimes are so difficult because it's hard
09:06:54 to get the information that they can take up to six months
09:06:58 at a time.
09:06:58 So Sal coordinated all of the efforts, basically put
09:07:02 together an informational sheet for all the officers on the
09:07:05 street that were coming upon me and put together a task
09:07:08 force that worked with the secret service, and in November,
09:07:13 I believe, of 2011, we had operation rain maker, and there
09:07:19 were 47 arrests made at that time.
09:07:21 And that's when the majority of the seizures occurred.
09:07:26 So he also was called to Capitol Hill this past March where
09:07:29 he testified before the U.S. Senate Finance Committee on the
09:07:32 nationwide epidemic of associated with tax fraud and hopes
09:07:37 that we would be able to change the tax code and protect a
09:07:40 lot of these innocent victims.
09:07:42 Because this is something, as I have said many times in my
09:07:45 28 years with the police department, I have never seen any
09:07:48 type of fraud that is wide open and widespread as this tax
09:07:52 fraud is.
09:07:53 And Sal has done as much as anyone could do on the local
09:07:56 level to try to combat that in our jurisdiction.
09:08:00 And I know that the citizens of Tampa owe him a debt of
09:08:03 gratitude for that.
09:08:05 Also, in 2009, I think everybody is familiar with the Ryan
09:08:10 McCall murder.
09:08:11 He's the University of Tampa student and athletic who was on
09:08:14 his way home one night when he was the victim, he and his
09:08:17 friend were the victim of a robbery, and he was shot and
09:08:20 killed that night.
09:08:22 Sal got that case, and he was able to identify a suspect
09:08:29 earlier on but didn't have enough evidence, and he worked
09:08:33 tirelessly on this case.
09:08:35 And I know this because we talked about this case on a
09:08:38 regular basis.
09:08:39 And I know that it affected him personally because his son
09:08:43 is just about the age that Ryan McCall was, and he is from
09:08:47 the area that Ryan was from.
09:08:50 And he works hard on every single homicide case that he had,
09:08:54 every case that he has, period, with the homicide
09:08:57 particularly effective -- or effect the homicide detectives.
09:09:04 He worked very diligently and was able to get enough
09:09:07 evidence to charge David Williams in the murder of Ryan
09:09:11 And I know that that was a great relief not only to Ryan's
09:09:16 family but to the citizens of Tampa.
09:09:18 So for these two incidents and for everything that he has
09:09:20 done through his 27-year career, it's my pleasure to name
09:09:26 Sal ALGEIRI officer for the month of June 2012.
09:09:31 [ Applause ]
09:09:39 >>FRANK REDDICK: On behalf Tampa City Council we would like
09:09:41 to extend this commendation to you as Officer of the Month
09:09:44 for the period June 2012.
09:09:48 We have a few businesses.
09:09:57 >> Chip deblock of PBA.
09:10:01 Congratulations, Sal.
09:10:03 On behalf of the Tampa PBA, a $100 gift certificate for you
09:10:10 and for your wife.
09:10:11 >> Steve Stickley representing Stepp's towing service.
09:10:16 On behalf of Jim and Judy and Todd Stepp we would like to
09:10:19 present this small token of our appreciation to you for a
09:10:22 job well done and a gift card to Lee Roy Selmon's.
09:10:26 >> DeSoto with Bill Currie Ford representing employees and
09:10:35 Jennifer curry.
09:10:36 We would like to present you with a watch as a small token
09:10:40 of a job well done.
09:10:41 We appreciate what you do for the City of Tampa.
09:10:43 Thank you very much.
09:10:43 >> Joe Dirk inwith BrightHouse Network.
09:10:56 On behalf of all of us at Bright House, congratulations.
09:10:58 We would like to present you with one month free of all of
09:11:01 our services, high speed, video and home phone service.
09:11:05 >> You are deserving of these roses but they are not for
09:11:16 They are for your significant other who understands when you
09:11:20 are late from work.
09:11:23 >> The David Straz Center for the Performing Arts, and we
09:11:36 would like to thank you for your dedicated service, and I
09:11:39 have the pleasure of presenting you with two tickets to our
09:11:41 opening Broadway performance at our 2012-13 year, Jekyll and
09:11:50 >>STEVE MICHELINI: Good morning.
09:11:59 First of all, finding the perpetrator that killed the
09:12:03 student from university of Tampa was of particular interest
09:12:06 to me.
09:12:08 I was training with the University of Tampa cross country
09:12:12 team for quite awhile, with coach Drauer, and that whole
09:12:20 team went out trying to assist in the recovery and
09:12:23 perpetration of that -- identification of that perpetrator
09:12:27 and I know everyone was relieved when you found him.
09:12:31 Those kinds of things when we have a university in the
09:12:32 downtown area, and the students are using that area, it's of
09:12:37 extreme importance to keep them safe and protect them.
09:12:41 And I want to thank you for doing that.
09:12:43 I know it's part of your job, but we are glad that you were
09:12:46 able to at least have a successful conclusion to that.
09:12:51 It's unfortunate that someone died, particularly a young
09:12:53 man, but we thank you.
09:12:56 On behalf of prestige photos, we are providing you with a
09:13:00 family portrait package so you and your family can go have
09:13:04 your portraits done.
09:13:05 And on behalf of Bern's steakhouse we are providing you with
09:13:09 a $100 gift certificate so you can enjoy dinner, your choice
09:13:13 of who you want to take.
09:13:14 The chief has already said -- [ Laughter ]
09:13:19 You know, they don't serve lunch.
09:13:22 Occasionally she's hinted that she's open, you know.
09:13:26 But you better be careful.
09:13:27 She might fight you for that. Anyway, congratulations.
09:13:30 Thank you again.
09:13:30 >> Good morning.
09:13:37 Thank you for recognizing me this morning.
09:13:41 All the businesses that donated these gifts, thank you very
09:13:46 Chief Castor and her staff, major Mormon, I can't thank you
09:13:50 enough for your leadership and also selecting me Officer of
09:13:56 the Month.
09:13:57 If I could, I would like to introduce my family, my wife
09:14:00 Susan, my son Nicholas, my daughter Megan and her husband,
09:14:04 my son-in-law Jonathan, great family, very supportive, very
09:14:12 And thank you once again.
09:14:18 [ Applause ]
09:14:19 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: We just want to say, on my behalf and I'm
09:14:24 sure other council members will agree and they may want to
09:14:27 say something on their own, we are appreciative of you
09:14:30 receiving this award but the way you achieve your job and
09:14:33 what you have done in solving not only the murder crime but
09:14:40 working in something that was maybe here for a long time and
09:14:42 wasn't recognized until you got involved, and that's tax
09:14:45 fraud, identity theft and so on.
09:14:48 And when you look around at this great free country, it's so
09:14:51 free that it won't even share a secret with the police
09:14:55 Think of that.
09:14:56 And they've what you have done.
09:14:57 And I believe I saw you on national television.
09:15:02 You all did an outstanding job.
09:15:04 And you and the department, from the chief on down, all the
09:15:07 officers are to be congratulated for the job you do day in
09:15:10 and day out without too much recognition.
09:15:13 Thank you so much.
09:15:14 >> Thank you.
09:15:16 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Any other council members? Thank you
09:15:17 very much.
09:15:18 We appreciate it.
09:15:19 [ Applause ]
09:15:20 Item number 2 is a presentation commendation by council
09:15:36 member Capin for the services of Kathy Beck.
09:16:02 >>YVONNE CAPIN: It's my distinct hones and pleasure.
09:16:05 I am going to read this commendation.
09:16:06 For 38 years, Kathy Beck has protected the City of Tampa
09:16:13 tree canopy to the best of her ability utilizing the tree
09:16:16 pro trecks ordinance to protect our grand and protected
09:16:19 The community tree program and the urban ecology and
09:16:23 management plan.
09:16:24 More importantly Kathy has become an enthusiastic guardian
09:16:28 of one of our city's major assets.
09:16:31 It's many beautiful green trees.
09:16:33 She is known city-wide takes go-to person with respect to
09:16:38 saving those assets.
09:16:39 She has accomplished the saving of many trees without
09:16:41 animosity or dispute.
09:16:43 Without question her 38 years of experience and knowledge
09:16:45 continues to be greatly needed and utilized for betterment
09:16:49 of this community.
09:16:49 I also want to mention that Kathy Beck began working for the
09:16:54 City of Tampa in 1974.
09:16:56 She was recently honored by the Hillsborough County Planning
09:16:58 Commission for her service to our community.
09:17:01 Her dedication to her job can be seen in our city's
09:17:05 beautiful tree canopy.
09:17:06 Thank you, Kathy, for your service.
09:17:12 [ Applause ]
09:17:13 >> Thank you so much.
09:17:18 And I'm so humbled by this recognition.
09:17:20 I would like to take this opportunity to acknowledge all the
09:17:22 dedicated public employees who work so hard each and every
09:17:27 day to make this a great city.
09:17:29 Thank you so much.
09:17:30 [ Applause ]
09:17:35 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you.
09:17:35 You are an icon whether you realize it or not.
09:17:38 It's an amazing thing that you have done for the city for
09:17:42 that period of time.
09:17:44 '72 seems like yesterday to me when you're 150.
09:17:48 But just yesterday I was in a grocery store and a neighbor
09:17:53 comes to me and tells me, I got a tree problem.
09:17:55 And I told myself, well, let's hear it.
09:17:59 And he said, well, it's between my setback and the
09:18:02 I said, side yard?
09:18:04 Well, the city is not going to get involved with that one,
09:18:07 but call Kathy Beck.
09:18:10 And then I got one in the front, but I said call her twice.
09:18:14 And this is all true.
09:18:15 I gave the fellow's name on Dewey street.
09:18:20 And I heard, Beck, Beck, Beck, and I thought it was a beer.
09:18:25 I was wrongs it was the person that was just as popular as
09:18:28 the beer.
09:18:29 And do you a fantastic job and have done that for a long
09:18:32 And we are very grateful and you are going to be missed.
09:18:36 We are going to have a great void there.
09:18:38 Thank you so much for everything you have done.
09:18:40 [ Applause ]
09:18:50 Come to the mike because some people want to hear what you
09:18:54 have to say, although some of it may not be truthful.
09:18:57 Only joking with you, sir.
09:18:58 >>BOB McDONAUGH: Economic opportunity.
09:19:02 Let's not say good-bye too quickly.
09:19:04 She's much too valuable for the City of Tampa to be saying
09:19:07 good-bye, because not only is she great to work with, with
09:19:13 the citizens of our city, but she's also great to work with
09:19:17 fellow employees.
09:19:18 She has a great cooperative spirit.
09:19:20 But she's always willing to share that knowledge that she
09:19:23 has with people.
09:19:24 And I like working with her every day.
09:19:29 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you.
09:19:30 [ Applause ]
09:19:34 We need to open the workshop.
09:19:40 I have a motion by Mr. Reddick, seconded by Mr. Cohen to
09:19:43 open the workshop.
09:19:44 All in favor of the motion? Opposed?
09:19:46 The workshop is now open.
09:19:52 >>DENNIS FERNANDEZ: Historic preservation, design manager,
09:19:54 here today on item number 3 which is a request to bring back
09:19:59 information on the various historic designations that are
09:20:04 available for properties.
09:20:05 I have a PowerPoint to help facilitate the discussion.
09:20:11 There are essentially two types of historic designations
09:20:14 that can be earned for a particular property.
09:20:17 One is the national register of historic places designation
09:20:22 and the second is a local historic designation which the
09:20:26 City of Tampa is responsible for.
09:20:28 To begin with the national register designation.
09:20:32 The opportunity to designate was enabled through the
09:20:34 national historic preservation act of 1966.
09:20:37 This act created the national register of historic places,
09:20:41 which is the official list of historic places worthy of
09:20:47 In a previous discussion, there was a reference to a
09:20:49 national historic landmark, which is the highest level of
09:20:52 designation that's afforded to a property.
09:20:55 These properties are nationally historic and designated by
09:20:58 the secretary of the interior because they present
09:21:02 exceptional value.
09:21:02 In the City of Tampa we have three national landmark
09:21:05 structures or districts.
09:21:07 One is the Tampa Bay hotel.
09:21:09 One is the EL Centro Espanol in Ybor City.
09:21:15 And the last is the national landmark district.
09:21:20 This designation is essentially in the historic preservation
09:21:25 Nominations are referred to as the shipo, and its Centro
09:21:30 review board, and those nominations are then forwarded to
09:21:33 the keeper of the trust.
09:21:35 And the effect of that designation, it brings recognition to
09:21:38 the property, it's listed by the U.S. department of interior
09:21:41 as being historically significant, there are various tax
09:21:44 credits and incentives that are instilled upon the property,
09:21:49 and it often is the precursor to local designation.
09:21:54 These properties are evaluated with very stringent criteria,
09:21:58 and I want to mention to you this is also reflected in our
09:22:01 local ordinances.
09:22:02 So most of the detail I am going to forgo throughout this
09:22:09 presentation but does apply to our ordinance.
09:22:11 The property must be nationally significant for the national
09:22:14 register listing, and there are three key points that deal
09:22:17 with age, integrity and significance of the resource.
09:22:21 The age and integrity, is the property old enough to be
09:22:25 considered historic?
09:22:26 Generally at least 50 years old, and does it still look much
09:22:29 the way did it in the past?
09:22:32 Just keep in mind we are dealing with the designation of
09:22:35 historic places.
09:22:38 The specific criteria calls out seven essential criteria
09:22:42 aspects that the property must possess.
09:22:45 Location, design, materials, workmanship, association.
09:22:50 The property must also retain its integrity.
09:22:52 Integrity is the quality of the state of being complete.
09:22:55 And for historic properties, if the necessary design
09:23:01 features are in place.
09:23:02 And then there's specific criteria that deal with
09:23:06 significant individuals, architectural significance and
09:23:10 artistic value and archaeological sites.
09:23:15 Dealing with the aspect of time, the passage of time is
09:23:17 widely held in both national and local designations to bring
09:23:21 perspective to be able to adequately understand the historic
09:23:27 importance of a particular site.
09:23:29 According to the national register of historic places,
09:23:32 allows to be influenced by education, judgment, of previous
09:23:37 decades, and distance.
09:23:41 Although there is criteria which brings recognition to
09:23:44 properties that achieve significant -- significance within
09:23:48 50 years that criteria is referred to as criterion G.
09:23:53 And a property must exhibit exceptional value.
09:23:55 Exceptional value that has occurred within the last 50
09:23:59 I just want to give you a little idea of what some of the
09:24:02 properties are nationally that have achieved that within 50
09:24:06 This is the glass house, which is internationally recognized
09:24:10 modernistic creation by famed architect Philip Johnson, it
09:24:18 was actually constructed in 1949.
09:24:21 At the time of its listing, it was 48 years old.
09:24:25 This of course is the Cape Canaveral Air Force station.
09:24:28 The exceptional importance in this asset is with America's
09:24:31 premier facilities devoted to space exploration.
09:24:34 It was listed as 35 years old.
09:24:38 And in the St. Louis arch and Gateway, Dan Kiley, and
09:24:48 Saarinen, it had national identity and was listed as 24
09:25:01 years old and Mr. Kiley designed the garden around the arch.
09:25:05 Local historic designation which is specified in chapter 27
09:25:08 of our zoning code empowers the Historic Preservation
09:25:12 Commission to review and make recommendations to City
09:25:15 Council on nominations received for the local designation of
09:25:19 historic resources.
09:25:21 The evaluation criteria as I said is very similar to that in
09:25:24 national historic register of historic places, and within
09:25:28 national register nomination it is historic preservation's
09:25:31 role is to review and recommend to the Florida national
09:25:36 review board on the appropriateness of designations.
09:25:41 And here are some examples of local historic landmarks, many
09:25:47 of which you may be familiar with, that have met the
09:25:49 criteria for designation.
09:25:53 The effect of local designation is that the property becomes
09:25:56 subject to historic preservation ordinances in chapter 27.
09:26:00 Demolitions or relocations are reviewed, as well as
09:26:06 authorizations and new construction.
09:26:07 There are certain exemptions to the building standard and
09:26:10 some tax exemptions that are provided which you reveal
09:26:12 periodically from time to time.
09:26:15 The essence of consideration is something historic, and
09:26:19 needs to be exhibited clearly, that is achieved in
09:26:22 appropriate age, that is significant, and has its integrity.
09:26:26 If one of those components is missing, then the reference to
09:26:31 historic is not legitimized.
09:26:37 We have been discussing this for quite some time in
09:26:39 reference to Kiley garden which is originally designed as
09:26:43 NCNB plaza, completed in 1988, the tower was designed by
09:26:49 architect Harry wolf who collaborated with Dan Kiley on the
09:26:52 landscape, it's a 32-story office tower on four and a half
09:26:58 acres of site.
09:27:01 There's the park which is situated immediately to the north
09:27:03 of the tower, is above subsurface parking structure.
09:27:09 The original plan as you can see, there's a unique design
09:27:12 was incorporated, referred to as the Fibonacci series, an
09:27:23 approach that ties in the radius of the pattern, floor
09:27:24 height and dimension of the building onto the design grid of
09:27:27 the park.
09:27:27 The park's design is based on proportional ratios that link
09:27:31 them to the tower design and to the park area.
09:27:33 And one thing I want to point out very clearly in this plan,
09:27:37 as you see the importance of the relationship between the
09:27:39 tower and the garden.
09:27:41 The garden actually encompasses the tower, situated within
09:27:45 the park itself.
09:27:50 You see some of the original aerial views of the plaza shows
09:27:54 the property as it originally appeared.
09:27:57 The design relied upon commonly used geometric forms such as
09:28:01 the cylinder plain for fundamental framework.
09:28:07 Water features were very critical.
09:28:09 They defined the perimeter of the site and were incorporated
09:28:12 throughout the site as well.
09:28:13 These features are considered character designing.
09:28:18 They included bubblers, glasstop canals, reflecting pools
09:28:24 and water gardens.
09:28:27 This is the project as it currently appears, some before and
09:28:33 after shots.
09:28:35 Some of the historic defining features that were part of the
09:28:40 You can see above the glass-top canal which extended along,
09:28:46 connected between 400 feet of Ashley drive to the building
09:28:51 was removed -- was replaced through some large concrete
09:28:58 Part of the children's garden and museum pools that were to
09:29:03 the north were removed as part of renovation to Curtis Hixon
09:29:06 waterfront park.
09:29:11 This is some of the original pictures and contrast to the
09:29:15 You see the role of the water features within the park.
09:29:18 And you see the existing conditions today.
09:29:21 But essentially the structures of the bubblers are still in
09:29:25 place, although they do not function.
09:29:29 This is the original photo from the park as it develops, the
09:29:35 crape myrtles.
09:29:37 You see some of the benches in the rear, the grid pattern of
09:29:40 pavement along the grid framework of the park.
09:29:44 And that's how that appears today, basically.
09:29:50 Close to the same, I believe.
09:29:51 And you see the aerial view of Rivergate tower and Kiley
09:29:57 garden, as it sits today.
09:30:00 The context has changed with the incorporation of Curtis
09:30:02 Hixon park to the north.
09:30:07 And that's how the park appears today to the visitor.
09:30:13 This is an examination of integrity.
09:30:16 One of the key points is what was the designer's intent
09:30:22 versus what actually survives today.
09:30:24 These slides delineate the extent of the alteration to the
09:30:28 Kiley Gardens portion of the development.
09:30:32 And I did this very simplistic.
09:30:35 And there's a more detailed way to do this, but I felt this
09:30:38 presentation, but I got the point across.
09:30:41 The tower and the cube area contains many of the original
09:30:43 design elements that reflects the grid system employed by
09:30:46 Mr. Kiley as well.
09:30:48 The purple areas reflect the physical features that have
09:30:51 been removed.
09:30:52 This includes the water features on the south side of the
09:30:56 cube building where the sculpture was previously located,
09:30:58 the large reflecting pools, that were situated along Ashley
09:31:01 drive, the 400-foot length canal corridor and the entry to
09:31:05 the subsurface parking garage.
09:31:09 With the redevelopment of the jays ants site previously
09:31:11 contained, the art museum and Curtis Hixon hall, elimination
09:31:15 of the northern section of the park includes the museum pool
09:31:18 and the children's garden.
09:31:20 The light green indicates areas that have various
09:31:25 Driveways have been added for drop-off areas.
09:31:30 Replaced the reflecting pool several years ago.
09:31:33 The removal of portions of the geometric pavers, benches,
09:31:37 incorporation of the concrete steps, benches, and of course
09:31:40 the majority of the planning materials have been removed.
09:31:47 So the current assessment that I have made in examining this
09:31:50 particular property is that obviously Dan Kiley is a renown
09:31:54 landscape architect, has been widely recognized for
09:31:57 innovative design, and is well-known both in preservation
09:32:01 circles and in the field of landscape architecture for his
09:32:05 The property itself was constructed in 1988 and has not
09:32:10 reached the 50 year threshold which requires that exhibits
09:32:14 exceptional importance, which is tied to the property's
09:32:17 integrity, and integrity is something that I believe that
09:32:20 the property is challenged with.
09:32:25 This principal alone is not sufficient for its very unique
09:32:31 I think we all appreciate the design that Mr. Kiley used.
09:32:34 However, it's a design that's been used throughout the ages
09:32:36 and architecture and was incorporated into a landscape
09:32:39 design in this particular reign in addition.
09:32:43 The original design elements and elimination of the water
09:32:46 features significantly diminish the park's integrity.
09:32:53 Opportunities are not associated with local historic
09:32:58 And lastly and I think the most important point that has
09:33:01 been somewhat overlooked throughout the discussion is that
09:33:04 the tower and the park Sharyn separable relationship with
09:33:08 You can't consider historically recognizing the park and not
09:33:12 include the tower.
09:33:14 There are two parts of a whole.
09:33:16 So with that, that concludes my presentation.
09:33:19 I will be happy to answer any questions you may have.
09:33:22 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Any council members at this time?
09:33:24 >>MARY MULHERN: I was going to ask Mr. Hernandez, did you
09:33:42 ever find -- there was a large number of letters written
09:33:47 from the international architecture and design community and
09:33:53 historic preservation community back from, I think it was,
09:33:58 about five years ago, begging us to restore Kiley.
09:34:03 Did you ever find those letters?
09:34:05 We have been trying to find them.
09:34:07 And if not I will keep looking.
09:34:10 >>DENNIS FERNANDEZ: I have some letters in our file, and I
09:34:13 didn't bring the entire file because it's quite large.
09:34:15 But we had some letters when this was brought up to the
09:34:18 historic commission in 2005, and I'm not sure if they are
09:34:22 the same letters you are referring to.
09:34:24 >>MARY MULHERN: It was from architects and professors from
09:34:28 all over the world that wanted us to preserve and restore
09:34:32 the gardens, and we were going through this same discussion.
09:34:42 >>DENNIS FERNANDEZ: And I'm not sure if they are the same
09:34:44 >>MARY MULHERN: Yeah, I would just like to get them.
09:34:46 Maybe I will come over and borrow them and make copies.
09:34:50 I think it's important for us to see those.
09:35:04 I guess the other question, the park was restored as far as
09:35:07 I can tell, what I heard from the people who restored to the
09:35:13 be able to turn the water back on, you know, the fountain,
09:35:19 some of the water features.
09:35:21 The plumbing is all there, isn't it?
09:35:26 >>DENNIS FERNANDEZ: I do not believe so.
09:35:31 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Just a second.
09:35:32 >>> The only system set-up was an irrigation system for
09:35:37 watering the lawn.
09:35:38 >>MARY MULHERN: I guess we'll hear from other people on
09:35:42 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Any other council members at this time?
09:35:43 Mr. Reddick?
09:35:45 >>FRANK REDDICK: Thank you.
09:35:46 Mr. Fernandez, let me just ask, basically in your
09:35:51 presentation, do you support this application going in,
09:36:00 making Kiley garden a historic landmark?
09:36:05 >>DENNIS FERNANDEZ: Do I support that?
09:36:07 What I support Kiley garden remaining as being preserved in
09:36:12 the sense that we retain Kiley garden, we continue to
09:36:15 improve Kiley garden.
09:36:16 I don't think that Kiley garden meets the criteria for
09:36:19 historic designation.
09:36:20 >>FRANK REDDICK: Thank you.
09:36:22 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Any other council members?
09:36:24 All right.
09:36:26 We go to the audience.
09:36:27 >> Are we going to have a chance to speak after the public?
09:36:31 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Yes. Any -- yes.
09:36:35 Any other council members?
09:36:36 We have 30 minutes to speak on these items.
09:36:38 >> Karen Savia. I am a resident here in the city, Central
09:36:46 Avenue, Tampa Heights.
09:36:49 And I'm here to talk to you about Kiley Gardens.
09:36:53 But first I really would like to congratulate you and the
09:36:55 city on the grant you received to restore and complete the
09:37:00 Riverwalk, which is a momentous achievement.
09:37:04 And one of the reasons that I'm here this morning is because
09:37:07 I believe that Kiley Gardens is a significant feature which
09:37:12 fits into that Riverwalk.
09:37:14 And restoring it would certainly bring it back to being the
09:37:18 gem that it was for both the people who live here as
09:37:22 residents and visitors who frequent our city through
09:37:28 conventions and tourism.
09:37:30 Kiley Gardens is recognized by many schools of architecture
09:37:35 and landscape architecture around the country and around the
09:37:41 And Councilwoman Mulhern, I actually do have some e-mails
09:37:45 from as far as China that I think we might be able to track
09:37:48 down and forward to you, who were asking about Kiley and
09:37:53 where it stood in terms of its progress.
09:37:55 It's been tremendous where it has come to now in the past
09:38:00 few years and its current restoration commission, and we
09:38:05 really hope that the city will continues the efforts to
09:38:08 bring it up to landmark status because, one, the park
09:38:14 deserves it.
09:38:14 The design of the park is significant.
09:38:16 And the Fibonacci isn't something that is as recognizable as
09:38:24 it is in Kiley garden.
09:38:26 You would have to travel to countries around the world, Rome
09:38:29 and such, to actually be able to see the specific
09:38:32 proportions used, and that's why so many schools of
09:38:36 landscape architecture study this specific garden, as well
09:38:39 as other Dan Kiley works.
09:38:41 Dan Kiley is considered a foremost landscape architect Post
09:38:46 World War II.
09:38:47 And we have significance, as stated by Dennis Fernandez,
09:38:54 with the St. Louis arch and I think it would be a tragedy to
09:39:02 see the garden not be restored and not go offer a landmark
09:39:06 designation because that would put us in the limelight, I
09:39:10 think, in a negative way.
09:39:12 Right now Tampa has an opportunity to really shine.
09:39:16 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you.
09:39:17 Next, please.
09:39:18 >> My name is Chris fallow, east 11th Avenue in Ybor
09:39:25 City, one of the co-founders of the friends of Kiley.
09:39:27 We are very excited to presents a report that was contracted
09:39:31 by the City of Tampa.
09:39:33 This was the national historic evaluation report done by
09:39:37 Presline and associates, prayer to the reconstruction of
09:39:44 Curtis Hixon and Kiley garden.
09:39:47 This report specifies that Kiley does meet, as Mr. Hernandez
09:39:53 said, criterion C because Kiley is a work of a master in his
09:39:57 He's achieved significance in the past few years.
09:40:00 It also makes relationship to other plazas that were
09:40:03 designed at the time.
09:40:04 During the 70s and 80s, if you look at Kiley garden, you
09:40:11 would real realize this was a strategy used to hide
09:40:18 I also want to make a note about the integrity.
09:40:22 There were some good points that Mr. Fernandez said in his
09:40:26 What this report has determined that Kiley Gardens does
09:40:29 indeed have integrity, and that is because even though the
09:40:34 site has been a little bit diminished from the
09:40:36 reconstruction effort and the reflecting ponds in the front
09:40:39 have been removed, the pattern is still there.
09:40:43 The pavers are still there.
09:40:44 So we would know where the trees need to go.
09:40:46 We would know where the water features need to go. The
09:40:49 water feature actually exists between the cube building and
09:40:53 the round building as well.
09:40:55 So we have enough to work off of to reestablish these items.
09:41:04 And I just want to talk a little bit about Kiley's career.
09:41:10 His work is in the Library of Congress, was awarded the
09:41:14 United States presidential medal of art.
09:41:17 In fact, in the report here it states that they flew a flag
09:41:23 over the White House because of all the work he has
09:41:26 And, of course, it includes the St. Louis arch and the east
09:41:30 wing of the national gallery in Washington, D.C.
09:41:34 Part of that was by architect Pan.
09:41:40 And I just found out that Hargrett has a fellowship.
09:41:44 He went to school at Harvard.
09:41:45 Dropped out.
09:41:46 But because of the significance recognize him as a leader in
09:41:49 landscape design and therefore made a fellowship.
09:41:54 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
09:41:54 >> I have here the application for the landmark designation.
09:42:05 We are in contact with associates.
09:42:11 He helped me fill this out.
09:42:12 We would need a signature from the City of Tampa.
09:42:14 With this package I included 125-page evaluation on the DVD.
09:42:18 (Bell sounds)
09:42:21 And this will be available.
09:42:26 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
09:42:36 >> good morning.
09:42:40 Linda Saul-Sena, 157 Biscayne.
09:42:42 The two previous speakers are both architects who put in a
09:42:45 lot of their time working on this application.
09:42:48 My basic feeling -- I'm not an architect.
09:42:52 I'm just a fan of this park -- is if it doesn't cost
09:42:54 anything to apply, why not apply?
09:42:58 I have been told by a national expert, Charles Bernbalm who
09:43:03 yesterday wrote in the Post, the national public
09:43:08 publication, the name of his article is the real high line
09:43:15 You referred to this as one of the marvels.
09:43:18 A transformational try up in preservation and design, and it
09:43:22 talks about different places, and guess what, it talks about
09:43:26 Tampa and Kiley Gardens.
09:43:27 I dare say that a design piece from Tampa hasn't been in the
09:43:33 national publications that I'm aware of.
09:43:36 And I think it speaks to the importance of Kiley that Mr.
09:43:39 Bernbalm put in here.
09:43:41 Mr. Bernbalm used to work for the U.S. Parks Department and
09:43:46 he started the grants that we could apply for if we did
09:43:50 He said, it will really help you if you get this designated.
09:43:54 He said, I think it's such an important work of Dan Kiley
09:43:57 that even though it isn't 50 years old the Miller house
09:44:00 which also wasn't S less than 50 years old has been
09:44:04 He said I feel like this completes the end of the arc.
09:44:08 So my thought is, it doesn't hurt to ask.
09:44:11 Why not?
09:44:11 It's something we have.
09:44:12 We almost lost it.
09:44:13 We have got it now.
09:44:15 And if we protect it, we are smart.
09:44:18 I spoke with Ron Sill.
09:44:21 Said the fountains are ready to go, except we need money to
09:44:25 connect the wiring that was put there.
09:44:28 Ron Sills is the architect from Smith and Hill who had the
09:44:33 good sense to hire Presley and associates to do this very
09:44:36 complete study that we the city paid for in 2007.
09:44:40 And I don't know if Mr. Hernandez had the Presley report to
09:44:46 refer to when he did his report.
09:44:48 But it says in there, even though it isn't old it's worth
09:44:52 Lastly, I would like to share with you all what I would love
09:44:55 to see Tampa City Council do, because you all can be
09:44:58 When I was on City Council, I made decisions to support the
09:45:02 original Fibonacci, we would have lost the park.
09:45:06 That didn't happen.
09:45:07 It's been saved.
09:45:08 It's been invested, $4.2 million.
09:45:12 We are here today not asking City Council for any money,
09:45:16 just your blessing.
09:45:17 These are the four things we would like from City Council.
09:45:19 We would love council to state your support for the recovery
09:45:23 of Kiley garden.
09:45:25 I said recovery like recovery whatever?
09:45:28 And they said, yeah, it can't be totally put back.
09:45:32 We realistically know that, that's not going to happen, but
09:45:35 to move toward it.
09:45:36 Ybor City is a landmark district.
09:45:38 Ybor City has lost 40% of its historic fabric but it's
09:45:43 hanging in there.
09:45:44 Kiley lost a lot.
09:45:45 But if we put the trees back and we begin to do this in a
09:45:49 sage way, we can help the park recovery recover.
09:45:52 We would like to ask the ARC to designation the, we will do
09:45:57 all the works, but we would like the Presley report to be
09:46:00 We think it's worthy.
09:46:02 We would like you all to sign the cultural resources grant
09:46:05 so we can ask for money.
09:46:06 And then if we get the money you have to decide whether the
09:46:09 city puts the trees in or a private group.
09:46:12 And lastly to request the mayor sign the application for
09:46:17 national designation.
09:46:19 Thank you very much.
09:46:22 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you.
09:46:22 Next, please.
09:46:22 >>BOB McDONAUGH: Administrator economic opportunity.
09:46:27 Just something for council.
09:46:28 One of the things that Dennis mentioned when he was talking
09:46:31 about the importance of the site with the integration of the
09:46:36 building with the site.
09:46:38 There's an e-mail from the owner of the building.
09:46:41 We ask that the city not give Rivergate tower historical
09:46:54 It's been a very rewarding watching the maturation of
09:46:57 downtown in the last five years.
09:47:01 I have been in the downtown since 1972 when I started at the
09:47:03 University of Tampa.
09:47:04 And I can say that I have seen more change in the last five
09:47:06 years than in the 35 years before this.
09:47:11 The Gasparilla music festival, arts festival, the dragon
09:47:14 boat championships rock the park, some of the activities
09:47:19 depend on expansion space to continue to thrive and grow.
09:47:21 Our downtown has awakened and lives day and night.
09:47:24 I ask council to direct the City of Tampa Parks Department
09:47:28 to work with the friends of Kiley to develop a plan to add
09:47:31 shading and plantings to the park that will allow the park
09:47:34 to accommodate active and passive uses for the park.
09:47:40 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Any further comments by council members
09:47:41 at this time?
09:47:45 I'm talking about Mr. McDonaugh.
09:47:48 >> I was maybe coming out of order.
09:47:58 I'm sorry.
09:47:59 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'm not closing the meeting.
09:48:00 I'm just asking if anybody wants to ask questions of Mr.
09:48:04 A very simple statement that I made.
09:48:05 I'm not leaving him out.
09:48:12 Mr. Reddick?
09:48:14 >>FRANK REDDICK: Mr. McDonaugh, let me just ask one
09:48:21 And this e-mail that we just received --
09:48:28 >> He is the chairman and owner of the building, yes, sir.
09:48:30 >>FRANK REDDICK: Okay.
09:48:32 The other question I have, if Kiley garden is designated a
09:48:38 historic landmark, in the future, would it limit the city's
09:48:43 ability to do anything to the park with a historic
09:48:48 >> Yes, it would change the city's ability to reconnaissance
09:48:53 substitute the way it's built.
09:48:54 And, again, we spend lots of time working with different
09:49:00 entities about historic designations and take it very
09:49:06 Perhaps Dennis is a better person to answer that question
09:49:09 than I, if you don't mind.
09:49:11 >>FRANK REDDICK: Okay.
09:49:17 >>DENNIS FERNANDEZ: Was the question how the designation
09:49:18 might affect the city's ability to utilize that park?
09:49:22 >>FRANK REDDICK: Right.
09:49:23 To utilize the park.
09:49:26 >>DENNIS FERNANDEZ: Preservation manager.
09:49:27 The park would continue as a park, obviously.
09:49:30 However, the park, if it were designated, it would fall
09:49:34 under the secretary of interior standards for
09:49:37 So any work that was done to the park would be reviewed
09:49:40 through the Architectural Review Commission, and this work
09:49:42 would have to correlate to the original plan in an effort to
09:49:46 incrementally over time bring the park back to its original
09:49:49 >>FRANK REDDICK: Thank you.
09:49:53 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Any others?
09:49:58 That's fine, that's fine no problem.
09:50:01 Mr. Cohen?
09:50:04 Okay, yes, sir.
09:50:04 >> Thank you for the opportunity to speak. My name is Brian
09:50:07 funk, 610 south Rome.
09:50:10 Here to speak on behalf of the Gasparilla music festival in
09:50:14 my individual capacity against the efforts to restore Kiley
09:50:18 guard tone its original form.
09:50:19 Opposition on two main reasons, those being context.
09:50:24 Pragmatic, as you know, money spent to create Kiley garden
09:50:30 25 years ago, the money spent to demolish and repair Kiley
09:50:34 garden, and now we are looking at the prospect of spending a
09:50:37 great deal of new money irrespective of the source.
09:50:40 Just doesn't seem like a good use of funds given the local
09:50:43 and national situation.
09:50:43 The other reason for opposition is context of the park.
09:50:48 Speaking for myself and members of the board, Gasparilla
09:50:49 music festival, Kiley garden was an attribute 25 years ago
09:50:54 and I was pretty sad when they tore it out but I understood
09:50:58 why they had to do it.
09:50:59 However, the discussion regarding restoration, I believe you
09:51:01 must consider the context both in 1998 and 2012.
09:51:05 1988, Ron Reagan was president.
09:51:07 We had Curtis Hixon hall and downtown Tampa was pretty much
09:51:12 an eight-to-five place to be.
09:51:14 Large concentration of trees seemed to suggest daytime
09:51:18 programming, trees provide shade and green canopy, but walls
09:51:25 at night.
09:51:27 Revitalizing the urban core and to activate the area after
09:51:30 5 p.m., there's a great deal of residential in-fill and with
09:51:34 that retail, restaurants, things of that nature.
09:51:37 Of course, now Curtis Hixon hall is gone and in its place is
09:51:41 a wonderful new park.
09:51:42 We finally have a central place for congregation and
09:51:45 programming that's so critical to any major city.
09:51:48 It's sorely lacking in ours unfortunately.
09:51:53 Consider the marginal benefits to -- the marginal benefits
09:51:59 would restore Kiley Gardens, yes, of course it would, I
09:52:03 think it would be a nice place to visit, but there is excess
09:52:11 I would probably be speaking on a different side.
09:52:13 I think we need to explore how the presence of the restore
09:52:17 Kiley garden.
09:52:19 The program needs and not just the Gasparilla music
09:52:23 Nearly one third of existing open space the former site of
09:52:29 Kiley garden and Curtis Hixon park space which I said are
09:52:33 dearly lacking as well as obscure the view of our waterfront
09:52:36 and the University of Tampa.
09:52:38 As an alternative the Gasparilla music festival will be
09:52:41 happy to participate in any effort to provide some shade
09:52:43 along the perimeter, a more subdued version, if you will, to
09:52:50 address the overall programming needs of our urban core.
09:52:52 Thank you again for your time and consideration.
09:52:55 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you.
09:52:55 Anyone else in the audience who has not spoken who would
09:52:57 care to speak?
09:52:59 One last time.
09:53:00 Anyone else in the audience who has not spoken who would
09:53:02 care to speak?
09:53:03 I see no one.
09:53:05 Any comments by council members?
09:53:08 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you, chair.
09:53:13 There are several things put in here, one about local
09:53:16 historic designation, national historic places.
09:53:19 Obviously I don't think we are going to go to the national
09:53:21 historic park first.
09:53:22 Mr. Fernandez, I want to ask you a question.
09:53:27 When we are talking about the significance, you mentioned
09:53:34 the arch in St. Louis in terms of the garden itself, and
09:53:38 it's part and parcel with each other, correct?
09:53:41 >> Correct.
09:53:41 >> Meaning that they didn't designate the garden or the
09:53:44 landscaping separate from the arch itself, correct?
09:53:51 >>DENNIS FERNANDEZ: That's correct.
09:53:51 They are related, their relationship in design and their
09:53:54 relationship in commemoration related.
09:53:55 >>MIKE SUAREZ: We as a city own Kiley Gardens.
09:54:02 And then we have a private owner that owns that building.
09:54:04 If we designate it local or national historic, if they tear
09:54:10 down that building, doesn't that remove the significance of
09:54:15 the design itself?
09:54:18 >> Definitely.
09:54:19 I mean, any type of modification from the original plan
09:54:22 diminishes the integrity.
09:54:24 That would be -- that would be significant.
09:54:27 Most likely, that would be an action if it were nationally
09:54:33 designated, it -- demolition removes the local designation.
09:54:39 >> And how is it that those two got separated, the building
09:54:43 from the gardens themselves? Do you know?
09:54:47 >>DENNIS FERNANDEZ: There is an agreement --
09:54:50 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Excuse me for a second.
09:54:52 Linda, I can see you in my eyesight.
09:54:56 Please, thank you.
09:54:57 >> There was an agreement of split ownership in which the
09:55:02 park was going to be maintained by the city, and then there
09:55:05 was essentially a line that was chosen of ownership that
09:55:10 split the building site.
09:55:22 About this level with the tower remaining in private
09:55:25 The city owning the surface layer of the park.
09:55:29 And then there's dual ownership of the parking structure
09:55:34 Levels of the parking structure.
09:55:36 >>MIKE SUAREZ: And that was done because of some kind of
09:55:39 issue with the cost of maintaining the building?
09:55:44 Why did it split up like that?
09:55:49 >>DENNIS FERNANDEZ: I'll let Mr. Shimberg address the reason
09:55:53 >>JIM SHIMBERG: City attorney.
09:55:54 That's the way it was structured in the mid 80s to have a
09:55:57 rose garden there, and that was the way that it was
09:55:59 originally facilitated to accommodate the development of the
09:56:04 >>MIKE SUAREZ: So in order to develop the tower we as a
09:56:06 city said build this tower, we are going to let you design
09:56:09 the whole thing, and we are going to maintain ownership of
09:56:13 this part of it?
09:56:15 >>JIM SHIMBERG: The park, portion of the park.
09:56:17 It was a very complicated deal back in the mid 80s that
09:56:20 led to the development of that building and the development.
09:56:22 >>MIKE SUAREZ: And it was done specifically for us to
09:56:24 maintain control of that park so that it would be open to
09:56:27 the public?
09:56:30 All right.
09:56:31 Because I was confused by how it is that we designed an
09:56:34 entire, you know, this wonderful, you know, design.
09:56:39 And we don't own part of it to actually maintain, you know,
09:56:44 as you said, the integrity of the entire project.
09:56:46 I mean, the way I look at it is we are kind of in a weird
09:56:50 We can maintain those gardens, and if something happens with
09:56:53 that developer, they have a right based on whatever the
09:56:57 zoning and land use and other things, they could probably do
09:57:00 what they wants with that particular building based on
09:57:02 certain criteria. I was just curious because it just didn't
09:57:06 make any sense to me.
09:57:09 You are looking for something, Mr. Fernandez?
09:57:11 >>DENNIS FERNANDEZ: I was going to show you something to
09:57:14 bring home that point.
09:57:15 The removal of the sculpture that was situated on the south
09:57:20 side of the building, if you recall, there was a Sugarman
09:57:26 That particular removal of that particular sculpture was
09:57:29 over a water feature that was -- here we go.
09:57:41 You see this sculpture and this water feature that was part
09:57:45 of the original design.
09:57:46 And under the private portion of ownership, that sculpture
09:57:51 was removed and that -- that further diminishes the original
09:57:58 plan that was put in place.
09:57:59 >> So that sculpture was part of the original design?
09:58:01 >> The water feature was, then later added to the park.
09:58:07 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Terrific.
09:58:21 The chicken is greatly missed here in downtown Tampa.
09:58:28 In terms of some of the comments that were made about what's
09:58:30 going on with the Gasparilla music festival, obviously,
09:58:35 shade would be great to have.
09:58:36 >> Absolutely.
09:58:37 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Does the city administration have a plan to
09:58:41 actually put some trees in there, and actually --
09:58:47 >>BOB McDONAUGH: My suggestion that I made to council were
09:58:50 to have folks with the friends of Kiley and other interested
09:58:52 parties to work out a shade plan for the park that hopefully
09:58:55 could accommodate everyone.
09:58:57 Because in the heat of the summer, it's brutal.
09:59:02 We had a Rock The Park out there, and I think we need to
09:59:05 bring EMS in; it was hot as the Dickens.
09:59:09 We do need some shade, just to help with the utility of it.
09:59:12 And again, Kiley Gardens is beautiful.
09:59:15 Unfortunately, it was best viewed from above.
09:59:18 And did not have a utility to the broad population.
09:59:25 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you, Mr. McDonaugh.
09:59:28 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Mr. Cohen.
09:59:29 >>HARRY COHEN: Thank you, Mr. Chair.
09:59:31 I want to pick up where Mr. McDonaugh left off and the idea
09:59:35 of having the Parks Department work with the different
09:59:38 groups that are interested.
09:59:39 I think that's a good idea, and something we should
09:59:42 But I just want to -- what I am puzzled about this
09:59:47 discussion is that it seems to me that all of the things
09:59:51 that we are discussing are so absolute, it's like there's
09:59:54 only one grant that can be gotten, and the criteria are X so
10:00:01 we don't need it or part of the park is not the way it used
10:00:03 to be, so therefore it shouldn't be a priority to preserve
10:00:08 and fix the part that's still capable of being fixed.
10:00:15 So I guess that what I would like to see happen is some sort
10:00:25 of accommodation where we can meet everybody's goal.
10:00:29 Let me say what I heard today.
10:00:32 One, to restore at least part of the park to what it was, to
10:00:38 reflect its historic and cultural significance.
10:00:45 Also, to make sure that the park is still appropriate and
10:00:49 available for large festivals like the Gasparilla music
10:00:53 And also not to compromise the property rights of the
10:00:57 private property owner that owns the building.
10:00:59 It seems to me that none of these things should be
10:01:02 inconsistent with one another.
10:01:05 Fanned we don't exactly meet the criteria to be a national
10:01:09 historic landmark, we certainly might meet the criteria for
10:01:13 other designations that would open the door to the same type
10:01:16 of restoration that everyone is talking about doing.
10:01:20 So just going from Mr. McDonaugh's suggestion of the Parks
10:01:29 Department, what would the Parks Department do in part of a
10:01:32 plan with people that want to recover the park?
10:01:35 Because, you know, the park that's used on this item is
10:01:39 And --
10:01:50 >>> I think that Mrs. Saul-Sena was referring to an article
10:01:55 in the huffington, and I think the guy said it very well.
10:01:58 In fact, the highlight effects should be viewed more broadly
10:02:01 as a holistic approach to urban design that suggests how to
10:02:04 transform existing urban landscapes to meet contemporary
10:02:09 So engage our landscape architects with the Parks
10:02:11 Department, and see if we can't come up with a plan, with
10:02:16 some plantings with, some benches, some things that aren't
10:02:18 there that should be there, and that can accommodate all the
10:02:21 uses for everyone; as opposed to being dogmatic in either
10:02:27 You know, it seems to.
10:02:33 >>HARRY COHEN: Given the news that came yesterday about the
10:02:35 completion of the Riverwalk, it's very timely that we are
10:02:37 having this discussion today about what to do with this very
10:02:41 important piece.
10:02:42 Really, now, what's going to be the center of the Riverwalk.
10:02:45 And I just want to make the following statement to council
10:02:48 You know, we have a lot of historic photographs back here.
10:02:51 And oftentimes I look at pictures of the old Hillsborough
10:02:54 County courthouse, the old building that was attached to
10:02:56 this City Hall, and I think to myself, who allowed this to
10:03:01 be torn down?
10:03:02 How could the people that were in positions of authority
10:03:07 allow these things to be removed from the landscape?
10:03:11 You know, what were they thinking?
10:03:13 And I don't want us to look back and wonder when we had an
10:03:20 opportunity to do something with this spot, when we were so
10:03:22 focused on the Riverwalk and so focused on this particular
10:03:26 piece of downtown, that we lost the opportunity to preserve
10:03:30 something of importance.
10:03:36 I know today is just a workshop, and we are just really
10:03:38 discussing itself.
10:03:39 But it seems like there are some constraints.
10:03:42 But at the same time there ought to be a commitment to try
10:03:45 to save what we can to preserve what we can and what can
10:03:49 practically be saved, particularly considering how much
10:03:52 money the city already spent restoring the parking
10:03:59 underneath so cot support a park structure on top.
10:04:02 >> The building and the gardens and the elements that make
10:04:16 up the complex, I'm really familiar with it because I worked
10:04:20 for -- it was at the time NCNB national bank who built the
10:04:26 building and I was in the property management, the real
10:04:29 estate department.
10:04:30 So our office was next door in Rivergate, the little
10:04:34 building across Kennedy and actually from the building
10:04:38 today, and we watched it go up and watched it get built, and
10:04:42 it was our department who had to deal with the failure of
10:04:48 some of those elements.
10:04:50 I mean, I personally had to deal with the leaking of the
10:04:58 water features and the reflecting pools that are now covered
10:05:02 and cemented in and tiled over, and is the Malio's parking
10:05:07 pad, you know, for their valet.
10:05:12 And it was beautiful when it was built.
10:05:16 The trees that were planted, the crape myrtles, they were
10:05:22 really nice.
10:05:23 And I can tell you when it amazed me when they grew and how
10:05:29 quickly they grew and how big they got, because when we
10:05:32 planted them they were little tiny trees, and they didn't
10:05:35 provide much shade, but I can tell you they were a mess.
10:05:38 Anybody who owns crape myrtles knows that those flowers
10:05:44 drop, and if you don't sweep them up and they get stepped up
10:05:47 they stain, and a lot of that tile was and is very porous,
10:05:55 and that porosity allows the leakage to happen in the
10:06:03 reflecting pools, and I mean it was a combination of things.
10:06:07 It was poor construction.
10:06:12 The design wasn't followed correctly, because the correct
10:06:16 trees, the species were not planted.
10:06:18 So I hate to admit it, but that garden and all of the
10:06:27 elements, including the reflecting pools and were a problem
10:06:37 from day one.
10:06:38 And we had to close those reflecting pools, the bank did,
10:06:43 when they were just a couple of years old.
10:06:47 I think maybe even in the first or second year.
10:06:50 They were drained.
10:06:53 The site of workers in those pools cleaning them out and
10:06:57 trying to fix them and draining water was a daily existence.
10:07:00 So it's hard for me to sit here and say I want to save
10:07:04 something that was dysfunctional from the beginning.
10:07:08 So although it looked really pretty, it never functioned as
10:07:12 it was supposed to function.
10:07:14 So, you know, I'm with Councilman Cohen.
10:07:19 I mean, we need to be able to preserve the portions that we
10:07:27 And I think there are elements that can be improved upon.
10:07:32 But I think there's compromise here.
10:07:35 And I think what I heard is we find a balance of being able
10:07:45 to stay somewhat true to the intention of the gardens and
10:07:50 the design of the gardens, but allow for the flexibility
10:07:54 that we need to have, and shade is really important, but
10:07:59 those crape myrtles never really -- they were planted with
10:08:03 the intention, I don't think, of shade, or they never
10:08:06 provided much shade, because crape myrtles, you know, if you
10:08:09 sit under them, you get some shade, but it's not known as a
10:08:13 shade tree, it's a decorative tree.
10:08:16 So that's my thought.
10:08:23 You know, compromising is always the route that I am going
10:08:25 to go.
10:08:28 >>> I will be happy to come back to next City Council with
10:08:36 some recommendations.
10:08:37 However, Ms. Capin has some guests that I know have an
10:08:41 airplane flight and they are speaking at the next workshop.
10:08:56 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Ms. Capin, anything you want to say on
10:08:58 this one?
10:08:58 Thank you very much.
10:08:59 I think all council members at least spoke once other than
10:09:02 Ms. Capin and myself.
10:09:03 Let me say this.
10:09:04 What happened to the rose garden?
10:09:08 There's silence.
10:09:09 What happened to Jackson green, what happened to swift and
10:09:14 company, what happened to Curtis Hixon convention center?
10:09:17 Time has taken it away.
10:09:23 What I'm trying to get across is, I have no problem with
10:09:26 putting some tree as round the perimeter of the park.
10:09:29 But when that park was built, it was built when it was
10:09:33 hardly no residents if any living in downtown Tampa in the
10:09:39 core of the city itself.
10:09:40 Things have changed.
10:09:41 The ownership of the building has changed a couple of times.
10:09:44 The value of the building has changed from 154 million, I
10:09:47 saw one in the newspaper about 8 million, or 14 million or
10:09:50 something to that effect.
10:09:51 Things change.
10:09:54 And things get built.
10:09:59 Now you have museums in the area.
10:10:00 Now you have high-rises in the area where people are living.
10:10:04 You have now a combination of different things hardly anyone
10:10:09 envisioned 30 years ago.
10:10:12 By their own admissions you had leaks.
10:10:16 I don't know what the problem was, but I can tell you the
10:10:18 building lost tenants because there was mold down there, in
10:10:21 the parking area, that had to be dealt with every time, so
10:10:33 And those are the things that kept us from moving forward.
10:10:37 We have gone forward.
10:10:38 And I'm not against a compromise.
10:10:40 But I can tell you that I am not going to vote for something
10:10:42 to be historical that's not historical.
10:10:45 But I think there is room for a compromise here.
10:10:48 But I understand the situation we are in.
10:10:50 I understand the speaker has -- the next speaker has to take
10:10:55 an airliner out of the greatest airport in the world.
10:10:58 And I stop right now unless other council members have
10:11:01 anything to say.
10:11:02 >>MARY MULHERN: I'm sorry, I didn't realize that we weren't
10:11:10 going to be able to continue this discussion and I have a
10:11:12 lot more to say than I am apparently going to have time to
10:11:15 >> You can hold it.
10:11:19 >>MARY MULHERN: Yes, let's go to our next --
10:11:23 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Well, let me ask this.
10:11:24 We have others on the calendar.
10:11:27 Do you have more to say than five minutes?
10:11:30 >>MARY MULHERN: Probably not.
10:11:33 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Okay.
10:11:33 We'll take Ms. Mulhern.
10:11:35 >>MARY MULHERN: This is really very personal to me,
10:11:47 especially as a City Council person, but as someone whose
10:11:53 background is in the arts with a particular interest in
10:11:58 architecture, and having worked -- I worked for 12 years at
10:12:07 the art institute of Chicago where I could have my lunch
10:12:11 every day in a park that was designed by Dan Kiley, and at
10:12:16 that time, and in a city like Chicago where arts and culture
10:12:23 and architecture are revered, I had no idea who designed
10:12:27 this park.
10:12:27 I just thought, this is really pretty.
10:12:29 There are these nice trees and these fountains and I can go
10:12:32 out there and sit and have my lunch.
10:12:34 Well, I didn't realize until I moved to Tampa and was
10:12:38 working at the old Tampa Art Museum that I discovered Dan
10:12:44 Kiley's park.
10:12:45 It was after it had been compromised a lot.
10:12:50 I think a few of the fountains might have been on but the
10:12:53 pools were gone.
10:12:53 But the crape myrtles were beautifully in bloom.
10:12:57 It was great shade.
10:12:58 It was just this beautiful place.
10:13:00 And then all of a sudden I found out that it was in danger
10:13:04 of being destroyed.
10:13:06 And I wrote an article about it when I was an art critic.
10:13:11 And I shared that with all of you.
10:13:13 And I hope you have read it.
10:13:15 I am disappointed because it sounds like what I hear from my
10:13:18 colleagues today, they have heard from the administration
10:13:22 who clearly doesn't want to preserve, or wants to be able to
10:13:29 park trucks up there and put booths up there and doesn't
10:13:33 want to make this -- return this to even, you know,
10:13:39 partially to the glory that it was.
10:13:43 Internationally renowned architects, landscape architects.
10:13:47 And this idea that the building and the park have to go
10:13:51 together is ridiculous.
10:13:54 They were designed together, but Harry wolf, the architect,
10:14:04 is a wonderful architect but he's not in the pantheon that
10:14:08 Dan Kiley is for his landscape architecture.
10:14:12 So I think what we are asking, to get this historic
10:14:17 designation is really important, because clearly the
10:14:22 intention is not to preserve it.
10:14:23 And I have been through this fight already.
10:14:26 And we convinced Mayor Iorio to, even after they cut down
10:14:33 all the crape myrtles, because they did have to do those
10:14:36 repairs, which have been successful to prevent the leaks,
10:14:40 and which were designed to be able to plant trees there.
10:14:45 So those problems everyone is bringing up not only were
10:14:51 solved but more than $4 million were spent in order for us
10:14:55 to be able to make that -- return that to the grandeur that
10:15:00 it had.
10:15:02 I'm telling you, the director of the Plant Museum, the
10:15:06 director of the children's museum, the director of the Tampa
10:15:11 Museum of Art, all want Kiley to be restored, all want there
10:15:14 to be shade there.
10:15:16 I'm sure -- I didn't talk to the photographer museum but I'm
10:15:22 sure they want it, too.
10:15:24 And to tie this into the building is not necessary at all.
10:15:35 I think, you know, the former mayor made a commitment that
10:15:39 they were going to restore this park.
10:15:41 And we have got a giant sign out there that says Kiley
10:15:45 If we don't restore, if we don't put the trees back, and we
10:15:51 don't turn some of that water on -- we are not talking about
10:15:55 turning it back.
10:15:55 No one thinks there's going to be those reflecting pools.
10:15:58 We know it already is a compromise.
10:16:01 But if we don't do that, and if we don't at least
10:16:04 acknowledge that this is a historic and important piece like
10:16:07 other cities do, like Washington, like St. Louis has, you
10:16:15 know, if we were somewhere, where we thought this would just
10:16:20 be, you know, protected, it won't be, unless we do this.
10:16:25 And I think the only argument against doing this is that
10:16:29 once a year, we have a music festival that just started this
10:16:35 I'll do anything I can to find some -- if any of the acts
10:16:41 that are displaced if we put some trees back in there.
10:16:45 I'm telling you, I went to the festival.
10:16:47 It was wonderful but I couldn't stay because it was so hot,
10:16:50 and I had to get out of that heat.
10:16:52 So we have this opportunity to both restore a treasure that
10:17:01 people from all over the world have loved, that people who
10:17:05 live here -- a lot of people don't even know about it, even
10:17:08 if you lived here, it was so hidden away.
10:17:10 Now it's a beautiful new design of Curtis Hixon, it's more
10:17:14 accessible, you could put that park back.
10:17:18 You know, something historic and beautiful on the Riverwalk.
10:17:24 It's so fantastic that we got that grant to finish the
10:17:29 It's wonderful.
10:17:30 But as you walk along the Riverwalk, where is the history of
10:17:36 Tampa there?
10:17:36 Where is the great cultural design that you are going to
10:17:41 You are going see really the tower, Harry wolf's building.
10:17:48 That's our icon, beer can building.
10:17:51 And you could see Kiley Gardens, which is historic and
10:17:57 absolutely beautiful, and which refers to our other, right
10:18:04 across the river, the Plant hall and the minarets, the
10:18:10 moorish design, the design of Kiley garden was a paradise
10:18:14 garden which was an ancient type of design from moorish
10:18:18 times architecture, and we have that mirror image across the
10:18:25 And I can't believe that we are going to just not protect
10:18:34 So I don't think we are taking any action today, but, you
10:18:42 know, if we are not going to plant and return this park to a
10:18:49 portion of the beauty that was there, then take that Kiley
10:18:56 garden sign down because I don't want to look at it.
10:18:58 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
10:19:03 Do council members have anything else on item number 3?
10:19:08 >>HARRY COHEN: Mr. McDonaugh is going to come back to us at
10:19:11 the next council meeting?
10:19:12 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Yes.
10:19:12 And then we'll discuss that as a council.
10:19:16 We come back on this workshop.
10:19:18 Thank you all for participating on this item.
10:19:20 We go now to item number 4.
10:19:25 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Thank you, chair.
10:19:28 Have been has the packet.
10:19:30 (off microphone) very quickly I am going read the opening
10:19:37 letter and then introduce our speaker who is on his way to a
10:19:45 The cover letter has the employment based -- EB-5, the U.S.
10:19:52 immigration service, U.S. Department of Homeland Security.
10:19:55 Foreign investment is not new to Tampa.
10:19:58 Business relocation incentive and most notable foreign
10:20:01 investor was Ybor, the founder of Ybor City.
10:20:05 He brought thousands of jobs, economic opportunity,
10:20:07 prosperity, and led our city to become the cigar capital of
10:20:12 the world.
10:20:12 We again have the opportunity to boost our economy by way of
10:20:15 international economic investments through EB-5 program.
10:20:18 My intention is to present the benefits to our city that
10:20:21 EB-5 will bring us, along with other residents that share
10:20:25 this interest in bringing international investors and new
10:20:28 jobs to Tampa, have been looking at this federal program
10:20:32 that specifically targets and facilitates foreign investment
10:20:36 to communities throughout the United States.
10:20:38 It came about as a result of the historic Tampa Cuban
10:20:44 I traveled to Miami at an event and met with the mayor of
10:20:47 Miami, Rigalotto.
10:20:51 I asked about the economy of the city.
10:20:53 He told me his city had more building permits pulled in the
10:20:57 last four months than in the last three years, and he
10:21:00 credits this to the city of Miami becoming an EB-5 regional
10:21:05 Only two cities in the U.S. are EB-5 regional centers.
10:21:09 The cities of Dallas, Texas and Miami, Florida.
10:21:12 EB-5 is a method by which foreign investors create jobs in
10:21:15 the United States by investing anywhere from 500 that you to
10:21:19 $1 million or more at the same time expediting the residency
10:21:24 The law is not new.
10:21:26 It was enacted in November of 1990, and now President Obama
10:21:29 is encouragingly expanding the program and we should take
10:21:33 I am bringing this forward to council in the form of a
10:21:36 workshop for consideration.
10:21:37 I see it as a great opportunity.
10:21:38 And Tampa is in an excellent position to benefit from it.
10:21:43 I will introduce our first speaker who has been extremely
10:21:46 patient, and I hope will bring -- I know will bring light to
10:21:51 His name is Mr. William Flynn III, and he is in the practice
10:21:56 of -- leader of international practice group.
10:21:59 His practice includes a large immigration practice
10:22:01 representing foreign nationals, U.S. corporations, that
10:22:05 employ foreign nationals and he represents clients before
10:22:08 the U.S. department of homeland security, and the U.S.
10:22:11 Department of Labor and the U.S. department of state.
10:22:15 Mr. Flynn is a shareholder at Fowler White and Boggs.
10:22:20 Thank you, Mr. Flynn, for your patients.
10:22:22 >>> Thank you, members of council, Bob, thank you for
10:22:28 looking out for my schedule.
10:22:29 Immigration, of course, is totally confused, and all you
10:22:33 need to do is listen to the radio every day, or read the
10:22:36 Totally politicized.
10:22:38 One area that has been seemingly left alone is the foreign
10:22:43 investor area, although there is pressure, and I will
10:22:45 describe some of the issues that still make it a little more
10:22:48 But basically Congress has given foreign investors the act
10:22:51 to invest either 1 million or 500,000 in an active
10:22:57 commercial investment in the U.S. in order to get permanent
10:23:01 The reason why it has heated up is two fold.
10:23:04 One, there is no lending money out there so people have gone
10:23:07 to this to raise capital.
10:23:08 But secondly the investors themselves, particularly those
10:23:11 from Asia, and the two leading countries so far in seeking
10:23:15 these Visas are from China and south Korea. One of the
10:23:18 primary reasons for that we see is that they are worried
10:23:21 about their children.
10:23:22 Once a child reaches the p age of 14, unless you are in a
10:23:26 certain mode or certain school, downtown have a future, so
10:23:28 they want to get their kids into the U.S.
10:23:31 The key to everything is job creation.
10:23:33 That's why the feds have at least left their hands off it so
10:23:38 far, so for each investment that's made, ten U.S. citizens
10:23:44 must be employed.
10:23:45 Now, the key factor that we'll talk about briefly today are
10:23:48 the so-called regional centers, and the possibility that the
10:23:52 City of Tampa might desire to become one.
10:23:54 If you are a regional center, you are have ten indirect
10:23:58 The subject of a economist report, but if you do it that way
10:24:05 then the investor himself, say from China, doesn't have to
10:24:08 come up with ten direct investors as an entrepreneur would
10:24:11 have to do.
10:24:11 We'll talk about that as well.
10:24:13 There are a lot of challenges out there basically -- I teach
10:24:19 a law school course at Stetson for 17 years and the one
10:24:22 question I could never answer right is how long will it
10:24:24 The government is mired in bureaucracy and although there
10:24:27 are published estimates, one of noticed quickly in your
10:24:31 packet was dated, it's going to take time.
10:24:33 But what's needed to succeed were the city to be interested
10:24:37 in this?
10:24:38 First of all an infrastructure is needed which the cities
10:24:40 Secondly, there must be a thoughtful project and investment
10:24:44 that people will be interested in, whatever that might be.
10:24:47 Third, it's probably going to cost about 100 to $200,000 to
10:24:51 get from point A to point B, point B that you are a regional
10:24:56 And talk about -- it's probably going to take at least 12
10:25:02 months if you start from scratch.
10:25:03 Let's talk about the three primary methods that the city
10:25:05 might choose to use, or in general which might be used.
10:25:08 First of all we'll call it the direct investment method,
10:25:12 where a foreign national is an entrepreneurial mode and does
10:25:15 not invest in a regional center, invest in something else.
10:25:19 In that particular situation the investors are responsible
10:25:22 for creating ten direct jobs.
10:25:24 Now, most people have fallen in probably 90% of the current
10:25:29 crop of foreign investors are going to regional centers
10:25:32 because they get to $500,000 investment so they don't have
10:25:35 to come up with jobs on their own.
10:25:37 The regional center comes up verified by the economist's
10:25:44 The direct investment is good in the sense that you can just
10:25:48 go buy it, and then the investors themselves can apply.
10:25:52 The second method that we'll talk about which does involve a
10:25:55 regional center would be let's say the city did not want to
10:25:58 go through the both of establishing their own, so they
10:26:01 essentially got in bed with somebody who already had one,
10:26:04 either joining them or possibly buying the regional center
10:26:07 which is increasingly being done.
10:26:09 The advantage of that, of course, is that they have gone
10:26:11 through all of the drudgery of getting the approvals which
10:26:14 are going take at least 12 months.
10:26:16 The bad news might be that you are buying a new problem.
10:26:19 It's not unlike a real estate deal or any other kind of
10:26:23 Naturally there would be a lot of due diligence but you
10:26:26 don't really know what's underneath the surface.
10:26:33 What we are seeing more of now would be the idea of setting
10:26:36 one up yourself.
10:26:39 The idea of starting from scratch has, let's say, five
10:26:43 steps, and I will just give you a broad brush, be glad to
10:26:47 answer some questions as well.
10:26:48 First of all you need a team.
10:26:49 Typically that would include people with expertise, in
10:26:52 immigration law, definitely securities law, which I will
10:26:55 explain why in just a moment.
10:26:57 An economist who would charge a lot of money for his or her
10:27:00 report, and probably a business plan writer, unless there
10:27:05 was the capability in-house to be able to do that.
10:27:08 The business plan becomes a very important document, because
10:27:11 the investors, what they get, if they win the prize, is a
10:27:15 two-year conditional resident stay.
10:27:18 They have to remove the conditions between months 21 and 24.
10:27:21 And to do that, the deal still needs to be in place.
10:27:25 And one wants to be careful.
10:27:27 There are a million tips for the unwary, but one is not to
10:27:30 be too specific or too all encompassing in the business plan
10:27:34 because they are going to hold you to that in two years and
10:27:36 it may cause the investor not to be able to continue on as a
10:27:40 permanent resident.
10:27:41 So step one is to put your team together.
10:27:43 Step two is to have the right kind of project that's going
10:27:46 to be appealing to the foreign investor.
10:27:48 Step three is the real good business plan for reasons
10:27:51 Step four has to do with where the rubber hits the road.
10:27:56 Okay, great, we have a regional center but who is going to
10:27:59 invest in it and how do we find it?
10:28:01 Now, there are some people who are out there selling these
10:28:04 deals, and we have met, keep a very close hand because they
10:28:10 are not the kind of people, I don't think any of our clients
10:28:12 wants to do business with, but it reminds me of the
10:28:14 time-share industry of 20 years ago where there were a lot
10:28:18 of people out there who had no business doing what they were
10:28:21 doing, and the securities laws, which I am not an expert in,
10:28:25 does require broker status to do certain things.
10:28:28 The whole deal can be revoked and rescinded if later one of
10:28:32 the investors comes forward and says the securities laws
10:28:35 were violate.
10:28:36 So you want to have some very good securities law advice.
10:28:39 Finally, after you covered the pro motional aspects you are
10:28:42 ready to file a certain form.
10:28:44 I won't bother you with the numbers, which cost $6200 to
10:28:49 file, the highest government filing fee out there.
10:28:51 Let me spend a couple minutes and then take whatever
10:28:53 questions you might have on just some tidbits that are
10:28:56 But the first would be time.
10:29:00 Naturally the city being a budget driven entity just like
10:29:03 any of the regional centers or people who are providing the
10:29:06 investments to the foreign nationals, would like to see some
10:29:08 return on investment at the earliest possible time.
10:29:12 Now it's going to take awhile.
10:29:13 I mentioned that the form itself, the application for the
10:29:16 regional center will probably take at least 12 months.
10:29:20 Add another six months for promotional activity.
10:29:24 And then take the escrow approach that is typically used.
10:29:27 Most regional centers guarantee to the investors that they
10:29:30 will not take a dime of their money until they get their
10:29:33 approval which takes another eight months of the individual
10:29:37 investor to do that.
10:29:37 So bottom line you are talking two to three years probably
10:29:41 to see some money in the city's coffers.
10:29:47 Now, if you have a good product that's sold in an honest
10:29:50 way, and if some of the investors are making money and/or
10:29:54 getting green cards at the beginning, you will be amazed at
10:29:57 how fast the word spreads, whether it's in China, South
10:30:00 We have had clients from Europe as well.
10:30:02 British people have begun to like this.
10:30:04 Then you will be inundated with people who are seeking to
10:30:07 It's going take that time in order to get there.
10:30:13 What about a few tidbit points that are important?
10:30:16 Geographic area.
10:30:17 If you want to be a regional center, you have to delineate a
10:30:20 regional area that's contiguous.
10:30:22 For example, let's say Hillsborough County.
10:30:25 One bit of advice that I would give as we watch this evolve
10:30:28 over the last few years, where it's become hotter, is that
10:30:31 when you try to bite off too much geographic area it doesn't
10:30:34 work too well.
10:30:35 So it's better probably to go a little smaller but that's
10:30:38 very much of a case by case thing.
10:30:40 Almost as though it's within commuting distance of your
10:30:44 And that might be somebody driving from Hernando county, but
10:30:48 it's not driving from Broward County.
10:30:50 What about the economist, necessary evil, probably like
10:30:55 But the economists may be a little more so.
10:30:57 They are going to be very important to translate the job
10:31:01 creation for the immigration service.
10:31:04 The immigration is service is a unique breed.
10:31:08 They have now begun to higher their own economists.
10:31:10 But my opinion -- and I have dealt with them for 32 years --
10:31:13 is that they are way over their head in this particular area
10:31:16 of law, and because they are, they are beginning to issue
10:31:19 more requests for evidence, maybe two or three where people
10:31:22 are applying to become a regional center.
10:31:24 So they are trying to vet it maybe in a way that's not the
10:31:27 most scholarly way, keep explaining, keep explaining,
10:31:31 another delay factor.
10:31:33 How do you find the investors?
10:31:34 I mentioned some of the perils of dealing with the wrong
10:31:38 people N.china they are called immigration consultant
10:31:41 companies, and you can access them.
10:31:43 I would recommend having security expert vet them so they
10:31:47 are not doing things that will cause later rescission.
10:31:51 The last thing I will mention about the immigration
10:31:55 service -- and this is the part that never gets publicized.
10:31:58 What it says in the statute -- and very limited statutory
10:32:01 and regulatory guidance -- is if you are not able to remove
10:32:04 the conditions on your green card, so you qualify in year
10:32:08 two, you get a 24-month conditional residency, months 21-24.
10:32:16 If you don't get them removed you are subject to deportation
10:32:19 in the statute.
10:32:20 So that is the greatest thing to occur in the Wall Street
10:32:23 Journal that a bunch of foreign investors were actually
10:32:26 deported because they didn't fit with some of the technical
10:32:29 And we are seeing increasingly material changes to the
10:32:32 government accusing the project of doing -- I will give you
10:32:35 a very quick example.
10:32:37 Suppose the City of Tampa chose a real estate type of
10:32:40 investment for people to come in at.
10:32:43 Let's say phase one was the first building, phase two was
10:32:46 the second building and so on.
10:32:48 What about when phase one is kind of done, the phase two
10:32:51 hasn't started, permits are being pulled, and the person's
10:32:54 removal period hits right then, and they can't show that
10:32:57 there are ten people working, they can't show a million or
10:33:01 500,000 is still there.
10:33:03 Then the government may say, well, we have a material change
10:33:05 here, and the worst case we would hope would be that the
10:33:08 investor would have to start over again, but the worst worse
10:33:13 case would be that the person might be subject to
10:33:15 Again, there's a lot of lip service by our elected officials
10:33:18 in Washington about wanting this to succeed.
10:33:22 That does some things that I think are relevant.
10:33:24 They have chosen one of the four places where immigration
10:33:29 filings are adjudicated which happened to be the California
10:33:31 service center.
10:33:32 So all these cases are going to California.
10:33:34 Hypothetically, theoretically it sounds good but we are also
10:33:38 noticing we do this every day, but we are noticing more
10:33:42 pushback, more requests for evidence, kind of a typical
10:33:46 immigration service being a little difficult I.don't see say
10:33:50 that to be pessimistic or negative but it's a little more
10:33:52 than just opening the door and saying, okay, investors, give
10:33:55 us your millions and we'll take care of you.
10:33:57 I think it's quite doable but with a lot of due diligence.
10:34:02 Can I answer any questions for you?
10:34:03 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
10:34:04 Ms. Capin.
10:34:05 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Yes.
10:34:06 I noticed that the city of Dallas is a regional center since
10:34:11 And they partnered with a private investment company.
10:34:21 Is that something that you would recommend if the city were
10:34:24 to move forward?
10:34:25 >> I think the city should move into every possible kind of
10:34:28 I mentioned maybe joining in with than an existing regional
10:34:32 Maybe buying a regional center, forming your own.
10:34:36 I think it's a very good idea to have people who are deep
10:34:39 pockets, with skin in the game, who may be, say, a real
10:34:43 estate developer who is an expert at doing that.
10:34:47 The city may not want to get into that themselves.
10:34:49 Yes, I would certainly consider that.
10:34:50 >> And your expertise would be in helping -- walking the
10:34:57 investor through the process?
10:34:59 >> We do a full service EB-5 approach where we primarily
10:35:03 represent the investors themselves in getting them through.
10:35:06 We also advise people -- I get probably two or three calls a
10:35:10 week of people looking to raise capital.
10:35:12 So we advise that whole crowd.
10:35:14 And then people who form regional centers.
10:35:17 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Okay.
10:35:24 I am going to let my fellow council members ask questions.
10:35:27 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you, Ms. Capin, for bringing up this.
10:35:31 Believe it or not I had conversations with friends of mine
10:35:33 who were Chinese.
10:35:34 They moved from Tampa to Los Angeles because they talked
10:35:37 about some of these investment opportunities that are there
10:35:39 as opposed to here.
10:35:43 Speaking about how -- because we are talking about two
10:35:46 separate things here that are all part and parcel of one
10:35:49 larger thing, which is we create the regional center in
10:35:53 order to allow folks that want to get residency here in the
10:35:59 U.S. through the center, through their investments, through
10:36:01 our help in terms of identifying those projects, correct?
10:36:06 >> Yes, sir.
10:36:07 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Right now we have a private organization,
10:36:09 trade center that is supposed to be promoting trade, world
10:36:14 trade throughout, you know, for this region itself.
10:36:17 You mention about buying a regional center.
10:36:20 I don't think that -- I think you need to describe what you
10:36:23 are talking about.
10:36:24 Because if there's not one here, throws only two in the U.S.
10:36:27 that are these type of regional centers, what kind of entity
10:36:31 are you talking about when you are saying buy a center?
10:36:36 >>> Well, Mr. Suarez, I think they probably formed another
10:36:40 few yesterday, but there's about 23030th the last time I
10:36:43 checked around the country, regional centers.
10:36:45 >>MIKE SUAREZ: But I guess the regional centers themselves
10:36:47 are not qualified to do these EB-5, correct?
10:36:51 >>> Well, that's what they are for.
10:36:52 In fact, when you become a regional center, you then can
10:36:55 take in EB-5 capital.
10:36:57 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Are there any here in this region currently?
10:37:01 >>> Yes.
10:37:02 There's 17 in Florida, including two close by.
10:37:04 >>MIKE SUAREZ: What are the two close by?
10:37:07 >>> One in Sarasota and one in Tampa.
10:37:09 The Atlantic is the one over at 101 East Kennedy Boulevard.
10:37:16 >> What's it called again?
10:37:19 >>> It starts with Atlantic, and I am going to forget the
10:37:22 second name.
10:37:25 Then there's one in Sarasota run by a guy named Roy Norton.
10:37:30 Those are the two closest by.
10:37:31 One in Charlotte harbor.
10:37:33 Sprinkled around the rest of the state.
10:37:35 Lake Buena Vista has one as well.
10:37:37 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Let's say we partner with a private porge
10:37:41 How much seed money is necessary in order to get the process
10:37:44 I know you mentioned the $200,000. Is there anything else
10:37:47 that's necessary in order get that process going?
10:37:51 >> When I mentioned the figure between 100 and 200 I meant
10:37:54 that to be an encompassing figure.
10:37:56 It would be very rare to go above 200.
10:37:58 It's all case by case.
10:37:59 It depends on how much you have to pay the economist and
10:38:02 other kinds of case by case, but that range is probably
10:38:06 going to apply in almost all the cases.
10:38:09 >> Have you seen where folks have devoted or donated pro
10:38:12 bono services in order to put some of these things together
10:38:16 or not?
10:38:17 >>> Rarely but anything is possible.
10:38:22 >>MIKE SUAREZ: We are all about the possible here.
10:38:25 And I wasn't fishing for you to donate any of your time pro
10:38:29 bono, even though you are today.
10:38:31 You know, with these regional centers, once they start
10:38:34 getting created, our job, at least the job in the regional
10:38:38 center is to keep identifying those projects in order for
10:38:41 more foreign investment to keep coming into the center,
10:38:44 >> Yes.
10:38:44 >>MIKE SUAREZ: How difficult is that for some of these
10:38:50 regional centers that are out there?
10:38:51 Because obviously there is some areas that are much more
10:38:56 developed in terms of reaching out to those foreign
10:38:59 investors, and obviously that's a testament to some of the
10:39:03 ones that are not connected to a government that are
10:39:07 actually out there promoting it doing all kinds of things.
10:39:10 How difficult is it?
10:39:11 I think that based on my own reading of this is that those
10:39:15 areas that have large influxes of a particular type of
10:39:19 immigrants tend to get money into that area based on the
10:39:23 fact that they have that type of immigrant there.
10:39:26 I mean, Ms. Capin said it earlier, which is, you know, the
10:39:33 center here created more immigration from Cuba and Spain and
10:39:37 Sicily because there was a place where there were more
10:39:41 Sicilians, Cubans and Spaniards.
10:39:43 My only reason asking that is that Miami has over the course
10:39:46 of the 1980s, and Carrie Alward has been considered a
10:39:53 center especially a banking center for central and south
10:39:57 American money.
10:39:57 We are not known for that yet.
10:40:00 And my sense is that they are talking about foreign
10:40:04 investors from, let's say, China, Korea, Thailand, other
10:40:11 It may be a little more difficult to sell because we don't
10:40:13 have a large community here.
10:40:15 Maybe some other immigrant groups or some other folks that
10:40:18 might want to invest.
10:40:19 What have you seen when you see these regional centers?
10:40:21 >> Well, would you be surprised.
10:40:23 For example, take Venezuela with Chavez.
10:40:26 We are seeing an increasing number of Venezuelans.
10:40:29 Other south Americans that would stop in Miami are now
10:40:31 coming to Tampa.
10:40:32 I think word out is Dade County can be not the greatest
10:40:35 place to live and we have a lot going for us.
10:40:37 I think you are correct where their countrymen and women
10:40:42 I think that goes without saying, which is why California in
10:40:45 general, probably Los Angeles, San Francisco especially,
10:40:48 where there are a lot of Asians, Asians tend to congregate
10:40:51 because their relatives are there.
10:40:52 But, you know, I wouldn't discount our ability here if we
10:40:55 can survive the convention at the end of August without too
10:41:00 much wear and tear or bad publicity, that will put us all
10:41:03 over the map, and I think very useful Inc. direct marketing
10:41:07 aid for this type of project.
10:41:08 >> One last question.
10:41:09 In terms of -- you mentioned some of these other areas.
10:41:13 I know that there's a lot of German investment that is south
10:41:16 of us, primarily Lee and Collier County, some in Sarasota
10:41:21 Are there centers specifically right now and groups that are
10:41:25 specifically going after German investors in those areas?
10:41:29 >> Not exactly.
10:41:30 To some degree, and what you are referring to is in Cape
10:41:32 Coral, I think there are 40 or 50,000 Germans.
10:41:37 Some hurt built recession and some have left.
10:41:39 But basically, I think, for example, the Sarasota corridor
10:41:43 south down to Sanibel, Captiva, is ripe for picking.
10:41:47 This comes in at the choice of what is going to be the
10:41:50 contiguous geographic area, were the city to embark on that,
10:41:53 as to what their geographic area would be.
10:41:55 And a lot of thought needs to go into that.
10:41:57 You might have one that takes in five or six counties.
10:42:01 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you.
10:42:04 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Any other council member who has not
10:42:06 Ms. Capin?
10:42:08 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Just to give you an example.
10:42:11 When I sat with the mayor of Miami, most people would think,
10:42:15 yes, that would be Latin America.
10:42:18 Well, the mayor of Miami has investors travel to Japan to
10:42:27 sign friendship agreements.
10:42:28 They travel to Peru to sign friendship agreements.
10:42:32 And last month traveled to Spain, northern Spain to sign
10:42:36 friendship agreements.
10:42:36 So they are bringing in money from Europe, Asia, South
10:42:45 The advantage of a city being EB-5 center as opposed to
10:42:50 individual EB-5 centers is that many of the EB-5 centers
10:42:56 will have a relationship in name to the area but they do not
10:43:01 represent the area.
10:43:02 Where the city would have a hand in possibly the economic
10:43:08 development office, identifying the investment opportunity,
10:43:11 and identifying the business sectors, all located in the
10:43:16 city that could be 12, could be 10 business sectors that fit
10:43:22 into our needs, and that investors can come into.
10:43:27 That, I found, was one of the things that Dallas has done.
10:43:32 And I will tell you that the EB-5, there are EB-5 regional
10:43:37 But the only thing that they have is their name might be
10:43:46 associated with an area, but they do not represent the area.
10:43:49 The City of Tampa can represent the City of Tampa, and its
10:43:57 investments that it would like to see go forward.
10:44:00 I also want to say that one of the largest -- and I do
10:44:05 believe it made news -- some of the largest purchases, have
10:44:13 taken place in Miami area in the recent months.
10:44:18 It made the news.
10:44:21 Those moneys, much of that money, came from EB-5 investment,
10:44:25 as the mayor of Miami, he credited the four months of
10:44:36 construction permits being more than in the past three years
10:44:41 solely to the EB-5 regional center.
10:44:46 And we here in Tampa -- and this is my thinking -- we here
10:44:53 in Tampa are the economic engine of central Florida.
10:45:00 We have the political and cultural economic engine of
10:45:03 central Florida.
10:45:04 Central Florida is where the growth in Florida is going to
10:45:07 Everybody knows that.
10:45:09 I feel that there is a case for us to be able to look into
10:45:17 this and figure out how we can proceed being an EB-5 center.
10:45:27 The advantage again like others is in name only where the
10:45:32 city would be a sponsor.
10:45:37 As I said, this has been 22 years.
10:45:42 And it fell out of favor.
10:45:44 And now it's very popular.
10:45:47 And the moneys, for instance, it was just brought up in one
10:45:53 of the articles, which is in your packet, the EB-5
10:45:59 investments helped build the New Jersey reason in Brooklyn
10:46:03 to the tune of $228 million came in.
10:46:07 So there are people wanting to invest.
10:46:13 We are the safest place to put your money as far as the
10:46:17 world is concerned.
10:46:20 And I think that we could make a case and take advantage of
10:46:24 our positions in the center -- in central Florida.
10:46:31 Again, to your question, yes, it's not necessarily -- we are
10:46:35 a very diverse city, and one of the points you made is that
10:46:43 once it runs out, gets out in the world, that Tampa
10:46:49 represents good investments, good projects, they come
10:46:54 knocking on your door, which is what is happening in Dallas,
10:46:57 and in Miami.
10:46:58 And I would like to see it happen in Tampa.
10:47:01 >>> I thought that was a great point you made about the idea
10:47:04 of going places.
10:47:05 In over the years I have probably been on 15 or 20 trade
10:47:08 missions, more in the 80s and 90s, and more recently
10:47:11 with enterprise Florida, but with the county or city, super
10:47:15 task force, those of you my age may remember way back, but
10:47:19 there's no substitution for showing up, and this may be done
10:47:22 in conjunction with other counties, and then dignitaries to
10:47:27 come in to see the area first hand and they go home, there's
10:47:30 a lot of publicity.
10:47:31 So that may be a long-term plan.
10:47:33 People like Bob may get behind something like that.
10:47:36 Sorry to put you in -- but there's no substitute for
10:47:39 pressing the flesh in person, I don't think.
10:47:44 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I also want to share that I had several
10:47:46 conversations with Francisco Sanchez, the undersecretary of
10:47:50 commerce, about this program, and I asked him if I could
10:47:55 share our conversation, and he texted me yesterday that he
10:47:59 was in Poland and said, yes, that I could share the
10:48:03 conversations that I had with him.
10:48:05 The conversations are that we are getting ready, and his
10:48:10 department, the Commerce Department is getting ready to soon
10:48:15 unveil a project which is being worked with the economic
10:48:23 Development Corporation, and the Commerce Department about
10:48:26 international trade.
10:48:27 And basically putting all the ducks in a row in order to be
10:48:32 an international city.
10:48:33 So the Commerce Department is already ahead of that.
10:48:36 In my conversation with him, he has directed his office to
10:48:43 look into the EB-5 program as part of the U.S. commerce
10:48:51 package, if you will, when it comes to bringing investments
10:48:55 to local communities.
10:48:59 So I just wanted to share that with everyone, that the U.S.
10:49:04 Commerce Department feels that it is a worthy -- in order to
10:49:11 bring it into the actual dealings.
10:49:17 He oversees 70 office as round the world.
10:49:21 Just to let you know, there are 70 office as round the world
10:49:24 for the U.S. commerce, and they are very interested in
10:49:29 folding this in.
10:49:31 So I wanted to share that.
10:49:33 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Any other council members?
10:49:35 Mrs. Montelione?
10:49:36 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Thank you.
10:49:39 I just have a couple of comments about the program.
10:49:45 And I have got to say, I mean, this probably is not going to
10:49:50 be the most politically correct thing to say, but when I
10:49:54 first heard about this program it was quite some time ago,
10:49:57 and the first thought that came to my head was, if you have
10:50:01 enough money you can buy your way in.
10:50:04 And in the recent discussions, and the protests, and the
10:50:10 news about the dream act, and, you know, trying to welcome
10:50:17 citizens here who, through no fault of their own -- I
10:50:25 remember hearing just a few days ago about a young man who I
10:50:28 think is on the cover of time magazine that didn't even know
10:50:32 he wasn't legal until he was about 16 years old, came to
10:50:37 this country, brought here by his parents when he was two or
10:50:40 three or four, and, you know, I welcome investment.
10:50:49 I hesitate to trade that investment for certain rights.
10:50:57 And, I mean, that's just my gut feeling about this.
10:51:02 And I'm not open to discussing or further considering having
10:51:11 such a program in Tampa.
10:51:12 But I also had recent -- reason to go to our own Web site
10:51:17 for -- and Mr. McDonaugh's head is going to pick up again in
10:51:21 a second -- when I went to look at our economic development
10:51:25 web page to look into our free trade zones.
10:51:29 And we are free trade zone number 79, if I am correct about
10:51:35 And it appears that we are not fully utilizing the benefits
10:51:42 of that free trade zone, at the port or anywhere else.
10:51:47 And there is a lot I think we can be doing with an existing
10:51:51 program that we have here in Tampa to bolster us as a global
10:52:05 And until we put some effort behind marketing ourselves, and
10:52:11 our part, and our capabilities as far as shipping and
10:52:16 imports and exports and cargo,
10:52:20 I hesitate to jump into another program that seems to be the
10:52:24 flavor of the day.
10:52:26 Looking at the numbers back in the 90s, there were a
10:52:30 couple hundred people who took advantage of this program,
10:52:33 and recently there are thousands of people taking advantage
10:52:36 of this program.
10:52:37 And I'm not sure if that's because of the instability and
10:52:45 other areas of the world, or the wealth in other parts of
10:52:49 the world that traditionally have been third world countries
10:52:54 or did not have the rise in their own stature in their
10:53:03 countries and seeking to come to the United States.
10:53:14 Those are just my thoughts for how we are doing in foreign
10:53:16 investment in Tampa and capitalizing on what we already have
10:53:22 and jumping into another program.
10:53:24 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you.
10:53:24 Any other council members at this time?
10:53:26 Ms. Capin?
10:53:29 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Okay, I am going to start off with -- we can
10:53:35 stand by and watch Miami take advantage of this program.
10:53:43 The homeland security and the U.S. citizen and immigration
10:53:47 office allow 10,000 a year.
10:53:53 3,000 are set aside for EB-5 programs.
10:53:57 And I am going to tell you that phenophobia is not a very
10:54:06 good economic development plan.
10:54:09 That's part of what I heard here.
10:54:12 It creates jobs.
10:54:14 It increases economic activity, and just because we are not
10:54:17 doing everything else that we have in line means that we
10:54:21 should not move forward with something that is proven to be
10:54:25 working in other cities.
10:54:33 I would like to hear from the public if there's any
10:54:35 public -- if there's any other comments.
10:54:39 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: The public will have their chance.
10:54:40 Anyone in the public care to speak on this matter?
10:54:42 Yes, sir, please come forward.
10:54:43 >>BOB McDONAUGH: This activity is already taking place in
10:54:52 our community.
10:54:53 There are two shopping centers on Hillsborough Avenue that
10:54:56 basically the equity was EB-5 money.
10:54:58 The person that is redoing the federal courthouse, it looks
10:55:01 as if the equity will be EB-5 money.
10:55:06 Rick Michaels company has in business for quite a period of
10:55:09 But something that is interesting is that there is a pending
10:55:13 Orlando regional center, and if you go on their Web site, it
10:55:18 extends all the way west and has a very nice picture of
10:55:21 Tampa on it.
10:55:23 Which I thought was kind of interesting.
10:55:26 It is an activity that is already taking place in our
10:55:29 We are reaping the benefits of that.
10:55:33 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Now the boundaries of Tampa are going to
10:55:35 be west of Orlando?
10:55:38 Yes, sir, next, please.
10:55:39 >> Dave Scott, chairman of the Ybor City Development
10:55:44 Corporation, vice chair of the community advisory committee
10:55:47 for economic impact and culture of the arts, and I work in
10:55:51 the beer can building in Tampa and engaged in Vision Tampa
10:55:58 Listening to the conversation, I am concerned that we take
10:56:03 advantage of all possible opportunities to fuel our future.
10:56:08 And I sat through our current planning effort for the Tampa
10:56:11 master plan.
10:56:12 I fear we'll have great ideas, great initiatives, and then
10:56:16 we'll struggle to come up with the funding to make them
10:56:19 happen, and if we do, it will be after my lifetime that
10:56:23 those plans are realized.
10:56:25 This is a program in action.
10:56:29 s it has potential for a huge stream of revenue that if we
10:56:35 smartly could jump start this master plan, and these efforts
10:56:38 should run in parallel.
10:56:40 It's going to take that master plan but if council moves and
10:56:43 adds another vehicle for funding and then comes together and
10:56:48 complements, I think it has great huge potential.
10:56:51 I also think that we are uniquely positioned to competes for
10:56:56 quality investors, well meaning investors, good people.
10:57:00 I look at the Dallas promotional material.
10:57:03 It's very generic.
10:57:04 It's very clinical.
10:57:07 We have a monument in the Centennial Park in Ybor City,
10:57:11 that's the immigrants statue, that says we came here for
10:57:14 freedom, economic opportunity, and hope for our families,
10:57:18 and that is the message.
10:57:20 And it's compelling and it has soul.
10:57:23 So that is a great message.
10:57:26 The comments from our speaker about scope and define your
10:57:31 area carefully, I think is wise counsel.
10:57:36 We have in our master planning effort identified the kind of
10:57:39 greater integrated Tampa footprint.
10:57:43 If you marry that with prioritized recommendations and
10:57:48 encouragements for investment, and you tie it into our
10:57:51 historic architectures, we have infrastructure in crisis
10:57:56 that's priceless.
10:57:57 We heard 40% of Ybor City, historic infrastructure is gone.
10:58:05 We heard Councilman's Cohen comments about decision makers
10:58:11 in the past who gave our heritage a wait a minute we have
10:58:14 potential here to recover that.
10:58:16 And the idea of jump starting cultural and historic tourism
10:58:22 based upon that strategic resource for the City of Tampa and
10:58:25 a great message is just very impressive to me.
10:58:31 And the time is now.
10:58:33 RNC is coming in August.
10:58:34 We could propel an international message.
10:58:36 This is the place to bring investment dollars, not only
10:58:40 through the EB-5 money but in other avenues as well.
10:58:45 Thank you.
10:58:46 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
10:58:46 Next, please.
10:58:55 >> Ed Tillou from north Tampa.
10:58:58 It's interesting, the preceding things that came up on this
10:59:04 items 3 and to a certain extent two, that showed how
10:59:10 something, when it's conceived and presented on all kinds of
10:59:16 drawings can look very good, but in the actual workings
10:59:18 isn't very good.
10:59:19 And that illustrates the need for a great deal of follow-up
10:59:23 on these things, a great deal of monitoring, with respect to
10:59:27 this EB-5 program.
10:59:32 Maybe bonding doesn't get established and then suddenly
10:59:36 leave, who failed in bad economic times, and you are still
10:59:40 left with the people that's brought in.
10:59:43 A lot of these countries that are mentioned, the poor
10:59:46 countries, and yet somehow these are people that have
10:59:49 squeezed money out of these countries, and now want to leave
10:59:52 with it.
10:59:53 And this is talked about a lot around the taverns of Tampa
10:59:57 and the fast food places and things, for instance, with
11:00:02 Kiley gardens, what follow-up was done on that?
11:00:09 Mrs. Monte FIOR apparently worked with a structure that
11:00:15 wasn't aware of the fact you had technical problems, it also
11:00:19 had technical solution bus those technical solutions weren't
11:00:22 made and now they might be all these years later.
11:00:29 This is a failure in a way, because what we are talking
11:00:32 about is a failure of the entrepreneurial spirit in America.
11:00:35 It was actually very closely bound up with Calvinism, and
11:00:39 when Calvinism got chucked for very good they're logical
11:00:43 reasons, the feeling of a person to take pride in how many
11:00:49 people they employed.
11:00:51 This is the key thing.
11:00:53 We have these icons held up in front of us.
11:00:57 For instance, Donald Trump.
11:01:00 Donald Trump and his father have done horrible things around
11:01:02 the country.
11:01:05 They maybe point to a handful of people that they employed
11:01:10 but what about all the businesses they drove out?
11:01:12 For instance, our family, members of our family have the
11:01:15 entrepreneurial spirit.
11:01:16 And when I went to see Snow White and the Huntsman, I was
11:01:20 reminded that they actually even employed dwarfs.
11:01:25 They have about a half dozen dwarfs on the payroll, and
11:01:28 those were mean dwarfs just like they are presented in Snow
11:01:31 White and the Huntsman.
11:01:32 And all those dwarfs around people employed and things like
11:01:38 And maybe Donald Trump employs a couple hundred people.
11:01:42 But I think they employed almost a thousand people.
11:01:44 So there's got to be massive scrutiny of these kind of
11:01:48 And I don't know this is infrastructure with the free trade
11:01:54 zones, number 79, that hasn't been done.
11:01:56 (Bell sounds)
11:01:58 So I get the feeling that there isn't the infrastructure to
11:02:02 administer these things.
11:02:09 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
11:02:09 Anyone who cares to speak on item number 4?
11:02:11 We appreciate all those in attendance and what they have
11:02:14 said and let's see what the council does in the future.
11:02:16 Thank you very much for attending.
11:02:16 >> I want to finish up by saying that we should be aware
11:02:26 that the City of Tampa and the city that adapts and
11:02:29 reinvents itself will succeed in the 21st century.
11:02:33 I would like to also move that a motion for resolution.
11:02:40 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Let's do that at the end of the meeting.
11:02:43 These are workshops.
11:02:45 I appreciate it very much all those attending.
11:02:48 Item number 5.
11:02:49 I need a motion to continue this request.
11:02:53 Motion made by Mr. Suarez on item number 5.
11:02:55 Seconded by Mr. Cohen.
11:02:56 All in favor of the motion? Opposed?
11:02:59 The ayes have it unanimously.
11:03:00 We now go to item number 6.
11:03:07 These are motions that were made and we are going to address
11:03:10 them on item number 6.
11:03:12 Although it says 11:30, I this I by law we can have these.
11:03:16 These are workshops.
11:03:18 They are not statements of fact that go into the record.
11:03:20 We have to be sworn in and so forth and so on.
11:03:23 Yes, sir.
11:03:27 >>THOM SNELLING: Planning and development.
11:03:29 I'm here to provide my annual sustainability report.
11:03:49 Originally when the agreement was passed there was a
11:03:54 statement that the city's green officer who has been me for
11:03:57 the past three years report on an annual basis of the
11:04:00 activities that have taken place over the course of the
11:04:02 previous year.
11:04:07 What we are going to be looking at, it specifies internal
11:04:10 energy and water use about reducing carbon footprint, the
11:04:15 various policies and practices that we are doing, as well as
11:04:21 construction of green versus non-green buildings and
11:04:24 recommending any new policies or ordinances.
11:04:26 The report period that I am covering from January 2011 to
11:04:32 December 2011.
11:04:33 Typically I give my report in February or March.
11:04:35 But given some of the other activities that took place with
11:04:38 ECC and it's coming to you now.
11:04:43 So there is a great many items that have happened between
11:04:46 January and June of this year that are not in this report.
11:04:49 They will be in next year's report, just to be consistent.
11:04:54 Initially, again, about internal energy and water use, this
11:04:57 is primarily the energy.
11:04:59 These are pumping stations.
11:05:01 Two were replaced that have been in service for over 60
11:05:05 They are wearing out.
11:05:06 And they were energy consumers to a great degree.
11:05:09 When they put in their variable speed generators, it
11:05:14 maximizes the energy efficiency and reduces energy
11:05:19 Anytime you can reduce energy you are saving dollars, you
11:05:23 are also avoidance of having that energy to have to be
11:05:26 created so that's a very sustainable practice, and that
11:05:29 takes place on a regular basis.
11:05:32 Other items that demonstrate this are some of the work
11:05:35 that's been ongoing, or has taken place already, and it
11:05:39 continues ongoing over Tampa municipal office building.
11:05:43 You can see a little corner there.
11:05:45 I didn't have a really good shot of the building.
11:05:47 So ignore old City Hall on that one for a moment.
11:05:50 And then install additional air handlers.
11:05:53 This is all representing increased use of change O-out of
11:05:57 equipment, better systems and again energy conservation.
11:06:02 Another thing that happens on an ongoing regular basis from
11:06:05 a water department production and distribution of various
11:06:08 manuals, this is released last year, and the significant
11:06:15 thing, the greatest users of our water systems is commercial
11:06:22 and industrial users versus residential.
11:06:24 This manual was specifically guided toward them to show ways
11:06:31 to conserve additional water, and if you look online you
11:06:33 will see dozens of these types of manuals that the water
11:06:37 department does on an ongoing basis, a continual basis.
11:06:41 Another example of the energy conservation and energy
11:06:48 reduction, the retrofitting our parking garages has
11:06:51 continued, and just about drawing to a close.
11:06:54 The other item that if you recall underneath the Tampa
11:06:59 Convention Center, that lighting project as Platt Street
11:07:04 goes underneath the convention center itself, that has been
11:07:06 replaced and represents a significant energy savings, and
11:07:11 not only that, it's actually brighter and safer as well.
11:07:15 And uses less energy.
11:07:17 Another item that we have completed in August of 2011 was
11:07:21 the actual greenhouse gas inventory, our energy efficiency
11:07:25 and conservation plan.
11:07:27 The next item for that in the queue is to start to craft a
11:07:33 work program, or my work program for this upcoming year is
11:07:38 start to identify implementation strategies so we can start
11:07:40 to reach -- achieve a goal of 25% reduction of our energy
11:07:47 Our greenhouse gas emissions.
11:07:49 I'm sorry.
11:07:50 Again, the carbon footprint.
11:07:54 The tree canopy study, earlier if you recall, you were here
11:07:59 honoring Ms. Beck.
11:08:01 She worked on that project tirelessly over the course of the
11:08:04 And what will happen is that is -- this document will play a
11:08:07 key role as we adjust our codes and regulations.
11:08:13 That documents that will be used will establish how we
11:08:19 improve our tree canopy as well as other types of
11:08:22 sustainability take place.
11:08:24 People sometimes forget that has three legs, economic,
11:08:27 social, as well as environments.
11:08:28 Sometimes we lose sight. Economic aspects of it.
11:08:30 This document is going to be significant a Laos Lough us to
11:08:33 achieve all three of those.
11:08:35 Again, the vehicle stations just demonstrates how the entire
11:08:40 city, all of our city departments, they do their park.
11:08:44 These charging stations were brought in as part of a pilot
11:08:48 There's one of the charging stations directly across the
11:08:51 street when I came in this morning, the car was hooked up to
11:08:53 We have some in our city garages.
11:08:55 There's ten of them throughout the city.
11:08:56 And that encourages people to do that.
11:08:59 And the pilot program runs for about two years.
11:09:01 At the end of that two-year period the city can take those
11:09:04 over and operate them themselves which I think that we will
11:09:06 because these electric cars over the years will become more
11:09:09 and more abundant.
11:09:13 Again it's the 29th year, which is really testament to
11:09:16 our Parks and Recreation Department and the work that they
11:09:18 do to protect our canopy and our urban forest.
11:09:21 We are designated again as a tree city for the 29th
11:09:29 Okay, there I am.
11:09:36 These are just some of the activities that I do on my
11:09:38 day-to-day activities as the city's green officer.
11:09:42 Again the water department worked with the University of
11:09:44 South Florida to reduce potable water in their residence
11:09:48 They switched out over 2,000 shower heads and bathroom
11:09:52 faucet aerators to reduce consumption of the water itself.
11:09:56 The earth day celebrations to get people to act in more of a
11:10:03 celebratory way rather than the doom and gloom.
11:10:07 Sometimes we are participants in Hillsborough County's
11:10:09 energy conservation task force.
11:10:12 We attend those meetings on a regular basis.
11:10:14 We are getting closer bonds with Hillsborough County.
11:10:17 The city is working more and more closer and closer to
11:10:20 Hillsborough County, and that's a benefit for everybody.
11:10:22 The other item is USF, the students voted to charge
11:10:26 themselves a small percentage on their tuition fee.
11:10:31 They then turn around and use that fund, and they have a
11:10:34 competition where they submit proposals on energy
11:10:37 conservation, sustainability.
11:10:39 They have asked me to go ahead and be one of the jurors and
11:10:42 go ahead and rank and evaluate those proposals.
11:10:44 And I do that twice a year.
11:10:48 I participate in that.
11:10:49 Again, the recycling time, Tonja Brickhouse is here.
11:10:54 She has a very extensive presentation which I think you are
11:10:58 going find very informative as well.
11:11:08 Other items, we have the clean city day, the sweep program.
11:11:11 The significant thing about the sweep, you are just picking
11:11:14 up trash.
11:11:14 The reality is that trash if it doesn't get picked up stays
11:11:17 there, becomes a pollutant, becomes a nuisance, and it gets
11:11:21 disposed of, and it actually harm it is environment.
11:11:24 Again, these kinds of activities, the restoration of the
11:11:28 24th annual Hillsborough River and waterway clean-up, it
11:11:31 removes the trash and debris from the environments.
11:11:34 There is a restorage aspect of that.
11:11:39 Sustainability is also about that, and activities going
11:11:43 forward, also about the activity that you can do to restore
11:11:46 and help preserve the environments.
11:11:51 If you see these photos, I could have given you another
11:11:54 dozen of these things.
11:11:55 The amount of trash that has to be picked up.
11:11:59 'S crew comes up working in neighborhoods where it's a
11:12:02 Again removing possible pollutants from the environment,
11:12:05 helping the area stay a little bit cleaner, as well as
11:12:10 helping stuff get to disposed of in the proper fashion and
11:12:13 the proper landfills.
11:12:20 More on the policies, the water department, irrigation, they
11:12:26 have implemented those programs over the course of the last
11:12:29 And Parks and Recreation Department was recognized as the
11:12:33 100th agency that got accreditation of parks and
11:12:38 recreation agencies.
11:12:40 This is an example of the overall operation of the city's
11:12:44 Parks and Recreation Department, and the stewardship they
11:12:47 take with maintaining our city parks as safe, oxygen
11:12:51 producing environments for the city.
11:12:55 Household chemicals.
11:12:58 Ms. Brickhouse will touch on that.
11:12:59 That's another part of the broad environmental activities.
11:13:02 These things are ongoing he have year.
11:13:04 And it took place again in 2011.
11:13:09 Something that is again ongoing.
11:13:12 I had some of the other ones of the construction debris
11:13:15 recycling used.
11:13:16 Here you see they are putting down.
11:13:19 This is a photo that I used this year because I didn't have
11:13:22 one this year but they are continuing to do.
11:13:25 This what they do is reuses the actual amount of new asphalt
11:13:27 you have to produce, such as oil-based product, reducing the
11:13:36 reliance on oil.
11:13:38 Every little bit helps in that regard.
11:13:44 Again, the city has received and its various
11:13:46 differentiations has received awards for its work and design
11:13:49 and sustainability.
11:13:50 Public works association received for Curtis Hixon park, the
11:13:54 Florida native plant society for USF park at riverfront as
11:13:57 well as Cotanchobee, and the Planning Commission also --
11:14:02 (Bell sounds)
11:14:04 -- Planning Commission also recognized the great work that
11:14:07 is done by Parks and Recreation Department, and shoreline
11:14:10 restoration program.
11:14:14 Items we talked about, public construction of green versus
11:14:17 nongreen buildings.
11:14:18 Although these are not actual buildings, there are
11:14:21 facilities. We have the solar powered pay stations
11:14:26 installed last year and the electrical charging station,
11:14:28 encouraging efficiency, or encouraging conservation of power
11:14:32 and energy.
11:14:36 Other items that were completed this year, the Washington
11:14:38 street park and the Channel District.
11:14:42 You can read it.
11:14:44 It has a whole variety.
11:14:45 But significant is the sea grass structures, the other
11:14:51 amenities, especially the LED fiber optics embedded into the
11:14:55 columns and the solar power that they use to power some of
11:14:59 Again the Riverwalk, we completed segment 17 along Cass
11:15:05 Hopefully next year I will be able to report how much
11:15:07 wonderful work if we are allowed to continue to do that.
11:15:13 Then I have a handout for you.
11:15:14 The other part of one of the things we do is to look at what
11:15:17 the inventory of local --
11:15:26 These are the various buildings.
11:15:30 And what I have done is I have tracked it for you over the
11:15:32 last since I started, and you can see 2009, 2010, 2011, some
11:15:38 of the existing businesses, buildings, and residential
11:15:43 This just gives you a nice running tally of what's been
11:15:46 going on for the last three years.
11:15:47 >> I'm sorry, Tom, what year was that?
11:15:53 >> It started in 2009.
11:15:56 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I meant --
11:15:58 >>THOM SNELLING: This is 2011.
11:16:00 Way handed to you is a comparing of the 9, 10 and 11.
11:16:05 >>LISA MONTELIONE: What we are looking at is just 9, 10 and
11:16:12 >>THOM SNELLING: Yes, ma'am.
11:16:13 The PowerPoint.
11:16:14 A couple more.
11:16:15 Thank you.
11:16:16 The new policies and procedures that we have, you have known
11:16:20 about, and some of you actually participated in the
11:16:23 activities that we have done with the Urban Land Institute
11:16:25 and the Daniel Rose fellowship.
11:16:28 There are additional code changes allowed for the community
11:16:30 I know it seems like a long time but we actually approved in
11:16:33 the 2011 and our first community garden was proved in
11:16:37 I have already been asked for other community gardens to
11:16:42 continue to take place.
11:16:43 And again the turf percentages are dropping from original
11:16:47 50%, and now it continues to drop 5% per year until we get
11:16:54 down to 25%.
11:16:58 Other policies are urban design guidelines, which is really
11:17:02 affecting to bring more buildings to the street, pedestrian
11:17:05 friendly, use of transit, those kinds of activities taking
11:17:10 That are all very sustainable types of activities that will
11:17:14 survive the long-term.
11:17:16 Hopefully have something, this is the corner, the Seminole
11:17:19 Heights form based code, and with the policies that were
11:17:23 adopted you can turn it to something like that, more
11:17:26 reliance on pedestrians and transit and walkability versus
11:17:29 the automobile.
11:17:32 And the Hillsborough corridor as the EEC -- the AECOM, as
11:17:40 well as the corridor and central parts of the city.
11:17:43 And that concludes my presentation.
11:17:47 I will answer any questions.
11:17:50 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: We do have five or six speakers.
11:17:51 I would ask council members if they have any comments and
11:17:54 then go to the public after each speaker.
11:17:57 Any council remarks on Mr. Snelling?
11:17:59 Mr. Suarez?
11:18:00 >>MIKE SUAREZ: One quick question.
11:18:01 Mr. Snelling, do we have any plans for projects in the works
11:18:06 concerning solar energy, and the use of solar energy within
11:18:10 the city?
11:18:11 >> At this point we do not.
11:18:14 There have been some private people that are using solar
11:18:17 energy, solar water heaters.
11:18:19 >> I'm talking about us.
11:18:21 >> No, sir, not that I am aware of.
11:18:25 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Any other questions by council members?
11:18:26 Mrs. Montelione?
11:18:28 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Tom, the last part of your presentation
11:18:33 referred to the sustainable ordinance.
11:18:43 >>THOM SNELLING: Yes.
11:18:43 >>LISA MONTELIONE: The ordinance was passed in 2009?
11:18:49 >>THOM SNELLING: Yes.
11:18:51 >>LISA MONTELIONE: And when I look at this ordinance, it's
11:18:58 a short roughly two pages.
11:19:00 And it only addresses construction.
11:19:10 Is there a guiding policy?
11:19:12 Is there a framework?
11:19:14 Is there some formality to our own city efforts?
11:19:26 >>THOM SNELLING: Actually, to T formality and guidance comes
11:19:29 more from the green resolution.
11:19:31 I can provide you with a copy of that.
11:19:33 That spells out the various duties of the green officers and
11:19:36 some of the duties they are supposed to undertake.
11:19:39 This document when it's through the groan resolution, these
11:19:42 five items here on the types of things that we are supposed
11:19:44 to report back on, it comes from that resolution.
11:19:47 >>LISA MONTELIONE: It only addresses construction.
11:19:51 This ordinance only addresses --
11:19:54 >>THOM SNELLING: Is that in chapter 17?
11:19:56 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Yes.
11:19:58 >>THOM SNELLING: Yes, that is -- it only addressed
11:20:04 The green resolution itself is more encompassing, talks
11:20:08 about education, construction, various kinds of training,
11:20:11 things like that.
11:20:13 That's a much broader and does cover all aspects of
11:20:16 sustainability versus the ordinance that was passed
11:20:19 addressed just for construction activities.
11:20:22 >>LISA MONTELIONE: And resolutions are generally aren't the
11:20:31 enforceable kind of steps to lead to an action.
11:20:36 I mean, it's just the general guidelines and things that we
11:20:39 would like to see?
11:20:41 >>THOM SNELLING: Well, it gets me here every year.
11:20:45 That's what I am supposed to do.
11:20:47 I guide the communications that I have with the other
11:20:50 The other departments are aware, and they will look at that,
11:20:53 and they know the types of activities they need to be taken
11:20:56 on, they know that sustainability, best practices for energy
11:20:59 conservation and use is built into the activities they do,
11:21:04 in the construction that they do.
11:21:07 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Right now we don't have anybody
11:21:09 I mean, you are our green officer.
11:21:11 But the other departments report to you -- I guess what I'm
11:21:21 saying is I don't see some compelling document or
11:21:27 regulations or policies that other department heads have to
11:21:33 implement within, you know, some standard to meet, or, you
11:21:37 know, we often talk about the budget and how, you know,
11:21:41 departments are asked, that they need to cut by 5%, or they
11:21:46 need to hit a target.
11:21:48 So from everything I have looked at, it seems that we don't
11:21:51 have something like that in place for sustainability, that,
11:21:55 you know, there are goals and targets and specifics set for
11:22:01 the city overall in every department.
11:22:06 >>THOM SNELLING: Each department -- no.
11:22:09 The short answer is no, there is nothing like that.
11:22:11 The energy efficiency conservation plan that we undertake
11:22:15 this year is to implement that, the strategies for that
11:22:18 would really start to bring that -- excuse me, would really
11:22:21 start to bring that type of activity together because we are
11:22:24 committed -- we have done that work.
11:22:26 We are committed to implementing that plan.
11:22:29 And within that document, there are very specific strategies
11:22:32 that should take place.
11:22:34 My goal over this year, in my work program, is to begin to
11:22:37 implement those types of things.
11:22:39 So the groundwork for that type of activity is certainly
11:22:44 Thank you.
11:22:45 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you.
11:22:46 Ms. Mulhern.
11:22:46 >>MARY MULHERN: Tom, I just came in a little late.
11:22:53 The green resolution, is that a resolution that this council
11:22:59 >>THOM SNELLING: Yes, ma'am.
11:23:00 >>MARY MULHERN: When was that?
11:23:03 >>THOM SNELLING: 2008.
11:23:03 >>MARY MULHERN: Was it at the same time that we passed the
11:23:05 green building?
11:23:07 >>THOM SNELLING: Yes.
11:23:08 It was within a month of each other, I believe.
11:23:10 >>MARY MULHERN: So it was just -- was that involved with
11:23:14 the committee that we then put together, the mayor's
11:23:18 advisory committee?
11:23:19 Is that what that was?
11:23:21 >>THOM SNELLING: No, no.
11:23:22 Well, the overall committee that Councilman Dingfelder
11:23:26 worked with at the same time.
11:23:27 It came out of that.
11:23:28 We worked together with that, and there was a small group on
11:23:30 the outside that we worked with, that was part of that
11:23:33 Council had participated in that and helped craft the
11:23:38 >>MARY MULHERN: I think that -- so this -- it's funny
11:23:41 because I don't remember anything about a green resolution,
11:23:44 so I don't think it had a lot of heat to it.
11:23:50 >>THOM SNELLING: I can didn't to the all council members.
11:23:52 >>MARY MULHERN: Why don't you, so we know what you are
11:23:54 talking about there.
11:23:55 And I wanted to ask you, because we -- I felt really
11:24:02 frustrated and sympathetic to you as our green officer for
11:24:05 five years, and you didn't have -- you Nevada really had the
11:24:13 kind of staff or budget or authority to do much.
11:24:17 But since the new administration -- it seems like you even
11:24:22 have less time, because your responsibilities are larger.
11:24:28 Like tell us all your job titles.
11:24:31 [ Laughter ]
11:24:32 >> I don't know if we have time for that.
11:24:38 >> I'm the director of planning development.
11:24:40 That's what I am.
11:24:41 The green officer is a title that I do have.
11:24:43 And actually I have reached out.
11:24:45 I lost Lora Lee.
11:24:48 You remember she was a very valuable asset.
11:24:50 I have found somebody equally as committed and strong, a
11:24:54 person that works in revenue and finance, got permission to
11:24:57 use some of their time for that.
11:24:58 I also work closely with some of the folks in solid waste as
11:25:01 well as some people in Gloria Moreda's shop.
11:25:04 So I am assembling a very dedicated core of individuals to
11:25:08 help me.
11:25:08 And actually they have.
11:25:09 And frankly this report was put together by that person.
11:25:13 I changed the format a little bit but she put the report
11:25:16 together for me.
11:25:16 So I do have help.
11:25:21 And I feel pretty good.
11:25:23 The format that I think we are going to try to move to,
11:25:27 where somewhat with Councilwoman Montelione is thinking
11:25:29 about had mentioned in her comments, is to try to establish
11:25:34 some type of a more formalized system of communicating with
11:25:40 the other department directors and the other senior staff
11:25:43 members to bring us more to the forefront of what's
11:25:47 I have been given a great deal of help from the departments
11:25:50 whenever I ask.
11:25:51 The departments have been very forthcoming.
11:25:56 >>MARY MULHERN: No one is questioning that.
11:25:58 And I know it's overwhelming, and I know that what happens
11:26:00 is when there's any kind of public input or request for
11:26:09 things, it's just there's in a one to even deal with it.
11:26:13 And I think we are going to hear from that from the experts
11:26:16 that are going to speak today, that we need a sustainability
11:26:20 department on this, that actually can, you know, oversee and
11:26:29 communicate with all these people.
11:26:30 It's not just a matter of, you know, having all the
11:26:33 departments communicate with each other.
11:26:36 It's having some department with authority and staff and
11:26:45 budget to actually do that work.
11:26:49 And I don't think you are going to find any city or county
11:26:53 where they are accomplishing anything of note with
11:26:58 sustainability and energy conservation and new energy,
11:27:02 renewable energy, unless there's the staff to do it.
11:27:06 So I appreciate everything you have done.
11:27:11 I just think that's what we are going to hear today.
11:27:14 And I just wanted to give council a little background.
11:27:16 Because we have been saying this for five years on this
11:27:22 And the T new mayor hasn't shown a lot more enthusiasm for
11:27:30 following up on that as the last one.
11:27:36 >>THOM SNELLING: My continuing activity and the things that
11:27:38 I have done and the other activities he's asked me to do and
11:27:42 continue doing this job, and to begin to put together a work
11:27:45 program based on the energy conservation, the energy
11:27:51 efficiency conservation plan that was passed in August.
11:27:54 He's very in tune with that.
11:27:56 He understand it is need and asked me to continue moving in
11:27:59 that direction.
11:28:03 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
11:28:03 Any other council members at this time?
11:28:06 We go to the general public.
11:28:07 Would anyone like to speak on Mr. Snelling's presentation,
11:28:10 please come forward.
11:28:12 That's presentation 6 with Mr. Snelling talking and
11:28:16 sustainability of our green.
11:28:19 >> Ed from north Tampa.
11:28:26 I would talk about sustainability.
11:28:29 Because that's what my urban planning background that never
11:28:33 seemed to lead anywhere.
11:28:35 That's what has directed me, you know, given that I am
11:28:38 coming from engineering.
11:28:40 And I have spoken about times for methane.
11:28:45 The bottom line is that personal vehicle electrification is
11:28:49 very important, and it's good to see that under Mr.
11:28:52 Snelling's leadership, City of Tampa is doing something
11:28:54 about that.
11:28:56 The real problem is that shifts the attention onto how the
11:29:01 power is generated, because actually the carbon footprint of
11:29:05 the vehicles increases from an internal combustion engine.
11:29:12 And some of the reason for that is because no one wants to
11:29:15 accept the fact that nuclear power is not the answer.
11:29:22 Now, what I think you should do is implement something with
11:29:25 solar car panels, because solar is not the answer.
11:29:29 But it's got to be shown to people.
11:29:32 That solar is not the answer, because right now we have a
11:29:35 lot of gray matter, a lot of brain cells being tied up with
11:29:38 solar is the answer, and this little parody thing, solar
11:29:43 good, fossil fuel bad, you know, and that obscures the fact
11:29:48 that you can't get a handle on the carbon dioxide.
11:29:52 I have said this over and over again.
11:29:54 The engineers have said this over and over again.
11:29:56 You can't get a handle on the carbon dioxide you should try.
11:30:00 You should try for the same reasons that solar should be on
11:30:05 the roofs of the parking garages, because you have got to
11:30:09 see that this is not the answer.
11:30:13 But when that carbon dioxide will trigger the methane from
11:30:21 Permafrost, and about the only solution is to tap it off,
11:30:25 bring it into electricity, bring it into the country and run
11:30:28 the cars on electricity.
11:30:29 That's the only solution.
11:30:30 Because Mr. Snelling has all the right words.
11:30:34 Sustainability, viability, livability.
11:30:37 I think that's great.
11:30:39 That's a great three-word slogan.
11:30:42 And it is carried on the part of City of Tampa as an
11:30:48 institutional structure.
11:30:49 City of Tampa government is doing the right thing.
11:30:51 But you are not reaching City of Tampa out there, City of
11:30:56 Tampa, people living and having cars, always having more
11:31:07 The little bit that City of Tampa doing S doing as an
11:31:11 institutional structure, the City of Tampa out there is
11:31:15 doing by always having more and more and more cars, not
11:31:17 using public transportation, things like that, because you
11:31:20 are not getting the message out.
11:31:22 And that's key and critical in a democracy.
11:31:24 Because the bottom line is going to be dictatorship in 20 or
11:31:29 30 years.
11:31:30 Because somehow, democracy is not getting the word out.
11:31:34 (Bell sounds).
11:31:37 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
11:31:37 Next, please.
11:31:38 >> Donny Rhode, 412 Madison street.
11:31:45 Since I relocated my office to the downtown sector about
11:31:48 four years ago, I have noticed what a lot of other people
11:31:52 told me that they notice, and that is there seems to be an
11:31:55 awful lot of sunshine hitting the ground that could be used
11:31:58 for something solar.
11:32:00 There's a real low level of awareness for any type of
11:32:04 recycling to go on in these large businesses that produce a
11:32:07 lot of paper and so forth, batteries and things of that
11:32:11 nature, that a lot of us wish we knew more of where to go
11:32:15 with this stuff, and we really don't.
11:32:17 I have spoken to building managers, just trying to do
11:32:19 something with my own refuse and haven't gotten much
11:32:25 information about what to do.
11:32:26 The other thing I wanted to mention is it seems like to me
11:32:29 that city vehicles, idle in place an awful lot.
11:32:34 As a runner and a cycler, I tend to move by at a slower rate
11:32:39 and I am able to observe some of this stuff and it seems
11:32:42 there's a lot that goes on.
11:32:44 Don't know if anybody looked into that but I wonder if
11:32:46 anybody asked a question or two to see if it's just the way
11:32:49 things are done and there's no way to avoid that or there
11:32:52 could be something looked into on idling policy because if
11:32:58 they say if you shut the car off and restart it that's about
11:33:01 the breaking point and I have seen city vehicles idle for a
11:33:06 long time.
11:33:06 Thank you very much.
11:33:07 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you.
11:33:08 Anyone else in the audience care to speak on this item?
11:33:10 We continue as listed here.
11:33:14 C.J. Reynolds.
11:33:15 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I would like to introduce the speakers
11:33:24 as they come to the pod you why. C.J. Reynolds is the
11:33:27 Executive Director of the international ocean institute, a
11:33:31 nongovernmental organization operating at the University of
11:33:32 South Florida, college of marine science.
11:33:36 She was the main force in organizing the 2012 coastal city
11:33:40 summit which was held in St. Petersburg during the first
11:33:42 week in May, and she will be talking about that summit and
11:33:47 some other ideas for us as we try and move this city into a
11:33:52 sustainable future.
11:33:53 >> Thank you.
11:33:56 I see I have eight minutes.
11:33:57 I thought it was ten.
11:33:58 Some of you may have remembered me from a previous
11:34:02 I served on the former mayor's TECO and renewable energy
11:34:05 conservation task force so I have a bit of interest in
11:34:08 sustainability and have expanded that into my current role
11:34:10 as Executive Director for the international ocean institute.
11:34:13 I am going to give you a report.
11:34:16 And how do I advance to get my presentation?
11:34:21 But it's not here.
11:34:22 >> Is there somebody in I.T.?
11:34:29 >> I will give you a bit of background of the organizations
11:34:31 that sponsored this.
11:34:33 It was co-hosted built international ocean institute,
11:34:36 college of marine science, and the city of St. Petersburg.
11:34:39 And in many aspects the Florida economy is very much
11:34:42 interwoven with our relationship with water.
11:34:45 The research conducted by the college, faculty staff and
11:34:49 graduate students, which is now led by Dean Dixon, societal
11:34:55 issues such as overfishing, erosion, red tide, coral reefs,
11:35:01 hurricanes, other issues that really impact our economy,
11:35:04 quality of life and where we live.
11:35:06 So the university plays an important role both regionally
11:35:10 and internationally with the research that they work on.
11:35:12 By the way, the tiny little orange star there is my office,
11:35:16 which is we see the water and Gulf.
11:35:21 I am actually a resident of Tampa so I am very committed to
11:35:24 city's as well.
11:35:27 The International Ocean Institute is headquartered in Malta,
11:35:31 a consultive organization to the U.N. on issues relating to
11:35:35 promoting sustainable use of good governance of marine and
11:35:41 coastal resources, primarily operating to support policy,
11:35:44 education and capacity building, with the 25 centers and the
11:35:49 U.S. center is in St. Pete within the college of marine
11:35:52 science, the professor, he's my boss, an all around great I
11:35:57 go, committed to helping people enjoy the water quality
11:36:00 through fishing and good oceans.
11:36:03 The city of St. Petersburg was involved in this.
11:36:06 I work closely actually the city's manager of economic
11:36:10 development, which is really reflects their commitment to
11:36:12 developing a strong marine cluster.
11:36:15 This graph shows the 12 organizations, the agencies and
11:36:19 institutions which represent basically the largest
11:36:22 concentration of marine scientists in the southeast.
11:36:27 The spot team meets with business organizations six to nine
11:36:31 times a year to discuss emerging issues and collaborate when
11:36:36 appropriate on new opportunities and actions.
11:36:40 It's designed as an economic development component but it
11:36:42 has definitely influenced in regards to sustainability in
11:36:47 how we look at city issues.
11:36:49 The coastal summit, coastal cities share many common issues.
11:36:56 And their challenges are becoming increasingly complex as we
11:36:59 work toward addressing some of these issues.
11:37:01 We began to pull together experts from around the world to
11:37:05 discuss these key issues, share best practices, and provide
11:37:09 innovative strategies on tourism, assessing and planning for
11:37:14 coastal risks, community resiliency and smart growth and
11:37:18 There were about 200 attendees including mayors, City
11:37:21 Council members from here, as well as other cities, counties
11:37:25 and regions, international scientists, city managers, and
11:37:29 community leaders who also attended because of their
11:37:31 interest in these issues and opportunities.
11:37:34 So at the end of the month, you will be able to actually
11:37:37 watch the presentations on our Web site.
11:37:39 We will be uploading them.
11:37:40 I am going to give you about three minutes of highlights
11:37:43 from a couple of the most -- what I think perhaps are more
11:37:46 relevant programs.
11:37:48 There's a number of things I can't hardly condense two and a
11:37:51 half days into four minutes but I will give you a couple of
11:37:53 key opportunities that we looked at regarding
11:37:55 sustainability, and the one-day track on May 1st was
11:38:00 called rethinking tourism, sustaining economic development,
11:38:02 and the environment.
11:38:04 The concept here is that there's many organizations and
11:38:07 countries and cities working to protect and reinvest in
11:38:11 their natural assets, and using the market-driven approach
11:38:15 to this.
11:38:16 They are natural assets to improve their tourism
11:38:19 competitiveness against other regions, countries and
11:38:21 counties, and teach strength in local businesses and
11:38:29 We heard a number of presentations on public-private sector
11:38:34 approaches, economic development components, and focused
11:38:37 areas on implementing these to restore the programs.
11:38:42 And I am going to show share with you some information on
11:38:45 leading businesses, working on sustainability, environmental
11:38:49 initiatives, but this is a larger picture than just
11:38:52 sustainable building program, or sustainable city.
11:38:55 What we are really talking about is the sustainable
11:38:59 So where are we?
11:39:00 The beautiful Tampa Bay, our gorgeous beaches, our
11:39:04 Mangroves, our hike, our swamps, all are opportunities to
11:39:07 enhance some of the places that we still have.
11:39:09 And so what this requires is really a holistic and
11:39:13 integrated planning approach.
11:39:14 And that's multilevel, multi-jurisdiction.
11:39:17 The key thing here is really improving public access to
11:39:20 nature and our waterfronts.
11:39:22 And these are the reasons why people come to us.
11:39:24 They enjoy these recreational activities.
11:39:27 These plans must be integrated in the best practices are
11:39:30 integrated with hazard mitigation plans.
11:39:33 They also help to develop and protect environmental and
11:39:36 cultural resources, and primarily the one that are
11:39:39 succeeding are using smart funding tools and private sector
11:39:42 investment in tandem together.
11:39:44 So if you look at the riverfront and -- and congratulations
11:39:48 to the mayor and others for getting that grant -- there
11:39:51 really needs to be a large look at how you are integrating
11:39:53 the environmental nature from the springs, the amenities for
11:39:57 the restaurants.
11:39:57 So as we rethink tourism, a lot of new activities are focus
11:40:04 PD on adopting waterfronts, waterways, coastal zones,
11:40:08 renaturalizing means putting the Mangroves back, removing
11:40:11 some aspects of concrete.
11:40:14 This allows for fish, birds, development. Natural wildlife,
11:40:20 in bringing us here, building boardwalks to prevent coastal
11:40:23 erosion in sensitive areas.
11:40:24 The water quality, which I just saw that the Ben T. Davis
11:40:28 beach was closed again today.
11:40:29 Water qualities, we have to reframe our mind on.
11:40:32 That water quality is equal to economic vitality.
11:40:35 We can't have our own residents swimming in certain beaches
11:40:37 because of the issues.
11:40:38 We think don't have the answers we need to find the answers,
11:40:41 and we need to begin to address that.
11:40:43 As well the economic opportunity is linked back to
11:40:46 encouraging and helping to stimulate through jobs programs
11:40:49 the outdoor recreational businesses.
11:40:52 Where can I get in a kayak?
11:40:54 Where did can I get in a canoe?
11:40:56 When we continue the riverfront plan it must have ways for
11:40:59 citizens and visitors to he is lit get in touch with the
11:41:02 water, look at the nature, enjoy it.
11:41:04 I wish I had a big boat.
11:41:06 I don't but I should be able to rent a nice kayak and write
11:41:09 some friends out on or river taxis.
11:41:13 In addition we must encourage small retail, local arts and
11:41:16 And the local residents can contribute what represent our
11:41:19 historic culture as part of the tourism engagement along
11:41:23 these natural spaces and riverfront.
11:41:25 So I have about 32 second here.
11:41:28 (Bell sounds)
11:41:29 And the key highlights also will be addressed in talking
11:41:31 about planning for coastal risk, insurance and best
11:41:35 practices that a number of cities themselves have been
11:41:38 implementing, as Mary Mulhern mentioned, there's a number of
11:41:41 cities around here, and I would suggest we all go and take a
11:41:44 look at what Sarasota is doing.
11:41:49 I get an extension on the time, thank you.
11:41:50 That was quickly moved forward to that actually.
11:41:57 Creating value of public spaces as an evaluator,
11:42:01 understanding the process for both the sustainability plan
11:42:04 that Mr. Snelling mentioned as well as plans for the
11:42:06 riverfront and continued plans with in-vision.
11:42:09 I would recommend looking at a book called urban design in
11:42:12 the bottom line which looks at a quadruple net value,
11:42:18 economic, environmental, and sensory. So how does it smell?
11:42:21 Do I hear sounds of water running? Is this a great
11:42:25 As well as the social and cultural.
11:42:27 There's a number of excellent examples that tie in for
11:42:31 economic development, private sector development, a great
11:42:34 tool for processes, and that is an excellent source to get
11:42:40 your mind in terms of a framework around it.
11:42:42 It's very simplified.
11:42:47 Successful cities, you must have an annual action plan.
11:42:50 It must be supported and implemented by all departments,
11:42:53 must permeate the culture.
11:42:54 And at all levels, from the, you know, the maintenance
11:42:58 people to the top guy.
11:43:01 Accountability and performance metrics, not something that
11:43:04 sounds too exciting or we like to hear about but
11:43:06 responsibilities should be included in job descriptions at
11:43:09 all key levels of positions.
11:43:11 Measurable goals.
11:43:12 So if we say we are going to reduce 20% greenhouse gas
11:43:16 reduction, how is that going to get done and who's
11:43:20 In the private sector where I used to work you have
11:43:22 performance goals that you had to live up to and you were
11:43:25 accountable on an annual basis.
11:43:28 Other successful programs, we know about updating policies.
11:43:32 Spending money thru to monitor.
11:43:34 This is an important thing that often gets separated.
11:43:37 Collaboration across departments, in partnerships with
11:43:40 counties and other external agencies.
11:43:41 You cannot leave these things alone in implementing
11:43:46 The next point is really external communication, multilevel,
11:43:50 open dynamic dialogue with stakeholders, vendors, and they
11:43:55 don't need to all be in the same room together but bright
11:43:58 ideas come up with people who focus on these things.
11:44:00 Thank you for your time.
11:44:01 You can watch the presenters, coastal cities-IOI.org and we
11:44:14 could host any one of you coming to the college and
11:44:16 discussing any other water related issues.
11:44:18 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
11:44:19 Council members?
11:44:30 >>MARY MULHERN: A few of us have questions.
11:44:43 I want to thank you for that conference.
11:44:45 I was just so impressed.
11:44:46 It was amazing.
11:44:47 And I was there for one morning of it, unfortunately didn't
11:44:51 get to see it.
11:44:52 But I went to the kind of big picture presentation where
11:44:55 they talked about climate change, and rising water levels
11:45:04 and the coastline, and I just would like maybe to hear -- I
11:45:09 don't know who else on this agenda is going to talk about
11:45:12 this, but that's our biggest challenge.
11:45:17 And I know what struck me is that we talked about the
11:45:20 planning for dealing with it, because it is an accepted
11:45:24 scientific reality that we are going to have higher sea
11:45:29 If you could just address that briefly, and maybe talk about
11:45:37 maybe some examples of what some cities are doing about the
11:45:41 cause of that, which is the greenhouse gas emissions.
11:45:44 So what can we as a city do to reduce the output and where
11:45:50 we are at, baseline right now?
11:45:53 Maybe Councilwoman Montelione, if someone else is going to
11:45:57 talk about that.
11:46:00 That's you.
11:46:00 >> The state of Florida department of economic opportunity
11:46:06 has created a program called the community resiliency
11:46:12 There's more details in the handout that I gave you.
11:46:14 The community resiliency initiative is a multi-year program
11:46:19 funded by NOAA to help for the state to begin to work with
11:46:23 local governments who are interested in assessing their
11:46:29 potential vulnerabilities to the impacts of climate change,
11:46:34 which can take many forms throughout the state, depending on
11:46:38 the geography, the geology, water hydrology, so it can be
11:46:42 storm surge, extreme flooding events, saltwater intrusion
11:46:48 into your water aquifers, as well as even tiny increments of
11:46:53 sea level rising in some parts of the state will really
11:46:56 affect stormwater drainage and other components.
11:46:59 And so the leading group in the state is called the
11:47:03 four-county compact representing the four counties in the
11:47:06 southeast that are working together, that their elected
11:47:10 offerings versus come to consensus.
11:47:14 Their regional risks through science, long discussions, good
11:47:17 process, come to consensus on this, and they begin defining
11:47:21 what are the necessary steps that they must take as a region
11:47:24 through their public works, through their water streaks, all
11:47:30 their critical departments, what will it cost them to do
11:47:33 what they need to do to protect the cities and the counties
11:47:36 in the region and the citizens and where are they going to
11:47:39 get this funding?
11:47:40 And they are going to go federal.
11:47:41 And so they are a very proactive group and face a higher
11:47:45 risk than we do being on the Gulf, and we still have other
11:47:48 issues which you know the city of Punta Gorda, Charlotte
11:47:51 harbor, many of them have already created climate change,
11:47:56 vulnerability assessments and plans.
11:47:58 I would encourage you to look at the DEO's community
11:48:01 resiliency initiative Web site.
11:48:04 The cities who step up and ask for some guidance early on
11:48:07 will be part of a pilot project.
11:48:10 And getting back to stopping of the gases and the processes
11:48:16 happening, you must do both now.
11:48:19 Because the rate of reduction to greenhouse gas emissions is
11:48:27 going to continue to build through the region so we must
11:48:29 look at long-range planning for city, county, quality of
11:48:33 life issues because these things are going happen even if we
11:48:36 stopped polluting today, we would still feel the
11:48:38 ramifications from what I understand from the scientists.
11:48:41 So we need both a reduction strategy as well as an
11:48:44 adaptation strategy.
11:48:47 The other panel that spoke after that -- and then this is
11:48:50 the last -- were the insurance industry.
11:48:52 We had two panels.
11:48:54 One was leading governments, New York City, mayor's office.
11:49:00 In Broward County the woman who oversees that program
11:49:02 talking about why they were doing certain things, what the
11:49:05 impact on their city's insurance issues were going to be,
11:49:08 and then we had the industry panel, general counsel from
11:49:12 Lloyd's of America, the insurance information institute,
11:49:16 three other leading industries, as well as citizens talking
11:49:20 about the issue of climate change adaptation planning,
11:49:24 community resiliency, and the impacts on the city's
11:49:28 insurance, and programs for the MGOs and your community
11:49:33 organizations, what that's going to mean.
11:49:36 Talking about individual residents insurance, talking about
11:49:39 where are we going to be able to build buildings going
11:49:42 forward because of issues that they are looking at?
11:49:44 And then that's where business is going.
11:49:46 I would encourage you to -- there's a lot of discussion on
11:49:49 it, mega reports to be read.
11:49:53 I know you are in the insurance background.
11:49:54 You have probably been to conferences and heard these
11:49:56 issues. A lot of the emergency county manager groups are
11:49:59 already addressing these through some prospects and taking a
11:50:01 long-range perspective on it.
11:50:03 >>MARY MULHERN: Thank you.
11:50:07 >>HARRY COHEN: I just want to make a comment.
11:50:09 I enjoyed your presentation very much.
11:50:11 And one of the things that you talked about was building
11:50:15 Riverwalks and boardwalks, and amenities that allow people
11:50:19 to explore nature.
11:50:21 And one of the things that is going on later this summer is
11:50:25 that down on Picnic Island, at the very southern tip of the
11:50:28 city, there is a really special and unique place for bird
11:50:35 And it is isolated among Mangroves at the very, very tip of
11:50:44 the island, and the city is going to be building an 800-foot
11:50:49 boardwalk 60 feet wide with weather treated wood and it can
11:50:56 accommodate the rising and falling tide.
11:50:59 And the whole purpose of the boardwalk is to allow people to
11:51:03 actually walk through the Mangroves, and the mangrove
11:51:06 forest, and get to this area where the bird watching is
11:51:09 really so unique and special, without disturbing anything
11:51:14 around it.
11:51:14 And it's going to be a wonderful amenity for people all over
11:51:18 the city, and it really ties in exactly with the type of
11:51:24 project that I think you are promoting.
11:51:25 So I think it's something we can look forward to seeing
11:51:28 completed a little later in the year.
11:51:29 >> That's excellent.
11:51:31 I'm glad to hear.
11:51:32 That kind of thinking is really key.
11:51:33 The Hillsborough County, there's a woman who works in
11:51:36 tourism and economic development, and she's very keen on
11:51:39 defining these kinds of sustainable or ecotourism
11:51:43 opportunities to help better promote Tampa as well and be
11:51:49 sure to communicate that to Marilyn at the county.
11:51:52 Thank you.
11:51:52 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I just want to add another site that I
11:52:00 wasn't aware will until the recent edition that I received,
11:52:05 spring 2012 edition, is that in South Tampa, there's
11:52:08 someplace called MacDill 48.
11:52:11 And it is the first ELAPP site, environmental land
11:52:18 protection program that was established many years ago by
11:52:20 Hillsborough County, and this was the site that started it
11:52:24 And it's maintained by City of Tampa Parks Department.
11:52:29 And I didn't even know it existed until like a month ago.
11:52:34 But if anybody can go to baysounding.com and take a look at
11:52:42 that article that was written.
11:52:43 So we do have some sites.
11:52:45 And I think among the very serious things we talked about
11:52:49 relating to economics and insurance and one thing that
11:52:54 wasn't mentioned was our building code, because, you know, I
11:52:58 sat in Channelside at a cafe and was talking to one of our
11:53:04 speakers here today, and says, you know what?
11:53:08 Maybe not in my lifetime, but we don't build buildings to
11:53:11 last 25 years.
11:53:12 We look around, and talking about historic preservation
11:53:15 earlier today, you build buildings to last 100 years.
11:53:19 Or hopefully.
11:53:22 And within that time, the cafe that we are sitting in, and
11:53:27 probably half of Channelside, may be underwater, and no
11:53:30 matter what your belief system is, whether it's, you know, a
11:53:34 natural cycle of the planet, and over time, over millions of
11:53:38 years, it just happens that the climate changes, or that,
11:53:43 you know, mankind is just exacerbating the problem and
11:53:47 moving it along a little faster, the water, or sea level
11:53:55 rise, is a real thing, and it's something that we need to
11:54:00 look at in our building code to protect, and especially
11:54:03 here, because of our, you know, storms and serious weather
11:54:08 conditions that we have.
11:54:09 We don't need to have a hurricane to have horizontal rain.
11:54:13 And that's happened quite often.
11:54:17 I have had tornadoes come through the Temple Terrace golf
11:54:21 course many years ago, 30 years ago when I first moved here,
11:54:25 I couldn't get home because there were oak trees across the
11:54:28 road because a tornado had come through, or a down-draft
11:54:32 Those things happen, just as a natural course.
11:54:35 So I think we need to look at our building code as well.
11:54:38 And ecotourism was another fascinating part of this,
11:54:42 because, you know, it does relate all back to the economy.
11:54:45 And when we are looking to promote ourselves and we are
11:54:50 looking to attract visitors, tourism is one of our largest
11:54:56 income sources here in Florida, and ecotourism was talked
11:55:00 about as a catch phrase awhile back.
11:55:02 But it's not so much anymore.
11:55:05 And I think we need to capitalize on our natural assets.
11:55:08 >>> And the last comment I will make is that Sperling, in
11:55:14 their downtown partnership and their initiatives are looking
11:55:16 more as an outcome out of one of the ideas of the summit is
11:55:20 to figure out how they can better promote and better support
11:55:23 and create sustainable tourism concepts and models.
11:55:28 So they are going to be looking at those.
11:55:30 We have many beautiful public areas, and so I think not that
11:55:33 we need to compete, as a region we compete with, you know,
11:55:37 the Caribbean and other organizations sometimes for dollars.
11:55:40 If we want to bring in high-value tourists from other
11:55:43 countries, from Zurich or whatever, we need to give them
11:55:47 things to do and see, and the special birds, and I think
11:55:50 supporting outreach from the city, working with the county,
11:55:53 they have dollars, they have interest in generating some
11:55:56 more focused on sustainable tourism and environmental
11:56:00 practices and activities could be good extra opportunity on
11:56:04 the economic development, and tying that in with the next
11:56:07 step of the Riverwalk will be a great way to do.
11:56:09 That thank you for your time.
11:56:10 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Any other council members?
11:56:11 Anyone in the public care to speak on this item with
11:56:13 comments made by this wonderful presenter?
11:56:17 Anyone in the public?
11:56:19 Ms. Capin.
11:56:20 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I just wanted to add when you pointed out
11:56:23 about the 800-foot walk that is going to -- there is one
11:56:29 that I discovered last year, in a very remote area which is
11:56:33 actually across the street from the police academy.
11:56:38 34th, I think it is.
11:56:39 And I climbed it.
11:56:40 Our city has a wonderful bird-eye view over the Mangroves
11:56:47 off of Palmetto Beach.
11:56:48 And you can walk up there and just have a birds' eye view of
11:56:55 the entire area.
11:56:55 And it has been up there for a while.
11:56:58 So I have to commend them.
11:57:00 That is -- I'm looking forward to the new project.
11:57:02 >>MARY MULHERN: And then are you shot at by the --
11:57:07 [ Laughter ]
11:57:08 While you are training for the police academy?
11:57:15 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I ran away to the sanctuary.
11:57:17 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Okay, Tonja Brickhouse N.seven minutes we
11:57:23 need to Mike a motion for more time.
11:57:25 Yes, ma'am.
11:57:26 >>TONJA BRICKHOUSE: Ton Jap Brickhouse, solid waste and
11:57:34 program management.
11:57:35 If I can call up the presentation, way want to do today is
11:57:38 just give you all an update on what we have been doing in
11:57:41 the department of solid waste to move and be able -- some of
11:57:48 the initiatives we have done and also some things that we
11:57:50 are looking at.
11:57:52 And I am going to try to do my best to stay within that time
11:57:57 I just wanted to set the stage with this slide.
11:58:00 We talk about sustainability.
11:58:02 We talk about greenhouse gas initiatives.
11:58:04 But I wanted to put up a visual to emphasize some of the
11:58:08 concerns as it relates to what we are doing to effect
11:58:13 climate change, how we -- the things that we do impact the
11:58:19 global warming and all of those things that are associated
11:58:23 with greenhouse gas initiatives.
11:58:25 By understanding the connection between materials waste and
11:58:31 climate change hopefully we can reduce the impact on the
11:58:35 This is simply to give you an idea what we are going to
11:58:38 focus on in this presentation, look at our operations,
11:58:41 consider how we handle our fleet.
11:58:45 And I heard somebody mention the issues about idling and
11:58:49 things like that.
11:58:50 Of course we couldn't talk about greenhouse gas emissions an
11:58:52 not talk about our waste energy facilities and lastly
11:58:56 address recycling programs.
11:58:58 Most of you all know that in 2010, we went through the
11:59:03 service day change, which was the first rerouting efforts
11:59:06 that we have had in the City of Tampa since 1986.
11:59:10 Now, in 2005 we introduced fully automated collection, but
11:59:15 at that time did not change routing.
11:59:17 And so there was an opportunity there to do rerouting
11:59:21 initiative, and reduce the number of trucks on the road.
11:59:28 Thereby reducing carbon dioxide to the tune before 500,000
11:59:34 pounds annually.
11:59:35 How do we do this?
11:59:36 They are rerouteing the effort basically changed, took us
11:59:39 from going 72 miles in the city to do collections, to reduce
11:59:45 that by half, by doing the routes, we change to the doing 36
11:59:49 miles on any given day.
11:59:51 Thus, reducing fuel consumption.
11:59:54 The other thing that I want to emphasize, too, is that the
11:59:57 city, the departments for a long time, for years, have done
12:00:04 four-day workweek, and what that does is, I'm in New Tampa,
12:00:10 so the services are provided six days a week, but what it
12:00:13 does when do you a four-day workweek is you consider the
12:00:15 number of employees that you take off the road, the number
12:00:18 of -- what that equates to in terms of greenhouse gas
12:00:24 So how we do our service also impacts not only the service
12:00:29 day change but how we handle the use of our employees as
12:00:32 well, impacts the greenhouse gas initiative.
12:00:36 The other thing that I wanted to talk about is route
12:00:42 And I am pleased to say today that yesterday we concluded
12:00:46 the presentation from the three vendors that submitted
12:00:51 proposals for our GPS.
12:00:55 Finally, we have been on the road to try to get the GPS
12:00:58 implementation for about two years.
12:01:00 At least I have been involved with it for about two years.
12:01:03 We had three vendors, and we had Acsab, Zonar and route
12:01:11 So we have had an opportunity for the panel to look at that,
12:01:14 and go through the scoring process and continue to work
12:01:17 through the purchasing process.
12:01:19 But I thought it was appropriate to talk about that, because
12:01:22 what that does in terms of further optimization of routes,
12:01:27 further helping with fuel consumption and management of
12:01:30 resources, the city is going to be amazed at what we get for
12:01:33 the return of investment ongoing through GPS and the route
12:01:43 The other thing on this slide, you all have gotten a report
12:01:45 about the recycling -- the curbside participation study.
12:01:50 That will also have an impact on how we do routes.
12:01:53 For example, when you look at the map, you might not be able
12:02:00 to see clear ly but you will see participation rates.
12:02:03 And that's rates as high as 55%, and then you will see them
12:02:07 in some areas as low as 12%.
12:02:09 So we have to do some things.
12:02:11 How we apply resources to be effective and efficient in how
12:02:17 we do recycling in the city.
12:02:19 I am going to talk more on another slide specifically about
12:02:23 the recycling changes that we are proposing, but I wanted to
12:02:27 emphasize here that the participation study will also help
12:02:32 to do some things to improve our recycling route as well.
12:02:38 Another good news story that I wanted to share is thankful
12:02:41 to you all for your approval of the compressed natural gas
12:02:45 Back in February, you approved the purchase of the first
12:02:49 five C and G vehicles added to the fleet.
12:02:54 Now, we timed the request to coincide, to be closely aligned
12:03:00 with when the Tampa International Airport opened the first
12:03:05 compressed natural gas refueling facility here in the city.
12:03:09 Why do we do that?
12:03:10 One, because in doing the research on compressed natural gas
12:03:14 in the solid waste industry, many municipalities jumped on
12:03:16 the bandwagon, got the truck, and had promises that the
12:03:21 stations would be up and running, and what ended up
12:03:24 happening is the trucks got delivered, but there was no way
12:03:27 to refuel them.
12:03:28 And so one of the things about C and G is you are talking
12:03:31 about a 25% reduction in carbon dioxide initiative, talking
12:03:37 about more efficient, quieter-run vehicle.
12:03:43 This is actually a picture of the C&G facility in Lakeland.
12:03:48 I had the opportunity when we were doing our recent public
12:03:52 facility up there and listen and watch the process in terms
12:03:56 of fueling and realize the great benefits for the city.
12:04:02 I hope that September-October time frame is when we expect
12:04:05 to get our first trucks.
12:04:07 And so you will hear more about that.
12:04:11 There will be something special to celebrate that.
12:04:12 But the plan is to continue to expand our C&G street fleet.
12:04:19 We also want to be strategic in that other entities like
12:04:22 heart or TECO or other entities in the city decide to open
12:04:27 C&G stations, then we will be able to capitalize on that as
12:04:32 well, not to do capital outlay for stations in the city but
12:04:39 those opened for public use throughout the city.
12:04:46 Let me go back and mention, too, because I purposely put on
12:04:49 the slide about reducing the vehicle idling, and the
12:04:51 gentleman spoke earlier about vehicle idling.
12:04:54 One of the things that I would like to point out is that the
12:04:56 city does have an anti-idling policy and we in solid waste
12:05:00 because we have a huge number of vehicles out on the fleet
12:05:02 look to adhere to that as much as possible.
12:05:06 We put this in there that we recognize that and we need to
12:05:10 police that and be accountable for making sure that we
12:05:14 comply with that.
12:05:14 But the city does have an anti-idling policy.
12:05:19 The next thing I want to talk about is, of course, the
12:05:23 refuge to energy facility.
12:05:25 We produce about 150,000-megawatt hours of electricity each
12:05:30 year, enough power to -- enough to power for about
12:05:34 approximately 15,000 homes in the city.
12:05:37 The thing about it is that electricity that's generated with
12:05:45 carbons, the garbage has living organisms, replaces power
12:05:49 that would otherwise be generated with fossil fuels.
12:05:52 So you look at MacKay Bay and you see a 64% reduction in how
12:05:57 much carbon dioxide is emitted into the atmosphere.
12:06:01 So that is huge in terms of dealing with that.
12:06:04 The other part is that when you look at the refuge to energy
12:06:07 facilities, that means that we are avoiding the landfill,
12:06:15 and then creating the methane, and adding to greenhouse gad
12:06:19 Again, that does two things for us.
12:06:25 You heard Thom Snelling talk about the use of reclaimed
12:06:28 water, or internal energy.
12:06:30 I wanted to toot our horn and talk about the fact that we
12:06:33 use about 180 million gallons of reclaimed waters at the
12:06:37 MacKay Bay refuge facility.
12:06:40 What does that mean in terms of greenhouse gas emissions?
12:06:43 What it means is then that we don't have to use potable
12:06:47 waters that would be produced and then generate those kind
12:06:50 of greenhouse gas emissions.
12:06:53 So there's a huge savings there in terms of emissions as
12:06:59 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Let me just stop.
12:07:00 I need an additional 30 minutes.
12:07:01 >>HARRY COHEN: So moved.
12:07:06 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Seconded by Mrs. Mulhern.
12:07:07 All in favor? Opposed?
12:07:08 The ayes have it unanimously.
12:07:10 I apologize.
12:07:11 >>TONJA BRICKHOUSE: That's fine.
12:07:14 I will speed it up.
12:07:15 You are familiar with the brownfield redevelopment program.
12:07:17 One of the things that I want to emphasize is that anytime
12:07:20 you have any type of development or redevelopment in an
12:07:24 urban environment, it helps to not deal with the issues.
12:07:30 I think one of the citizens made a comment about all the
12:07:33 vehicles on the road.
12:07:33 So that's in addition to what brownfield does in terms of
12:07:37 bringing development in the city that is also a byproduct in
12:07:43 terms of green house gas initiatives.
12:07:51 You heard about the will solar trash compactor.
12:07:55 One of the things that I want to emphasize, in Philadelphia,
12:07:59 they have been very successful in using this program.
12:08:02 We are talking to parks and rec and other parts of the city
12:08:05 as to how this could be best deployed in the city.
12:08:08 The beauty of the solar compact is because it is solar
12:08:13 powered, there's no electricity associated with it.
12:08:15 The other part is when it is ready to be serviced, it sends
12:08:19 a signal.
12:08:19 We can pull in larger levels in the receptacles.
12:08:26 Thus, you do just in time servicing, not running trucks
12:08:32 around to do something that's half full or half empty,
12:08:35 et cetera.
12:08:35 So there's a benefit to that.
12:08:36 We are working with parks and rec to look at opportunities
12:08:39 to do some things there.
12:08:41 I want to talk about the recycling program in that there are
12:08:44 a number of things.
12:08:45 You see, we have single stream in the city.
12:08:50 That means we take 1 through 7.
12:08:52 There are a whole lot of things that came with doing the
12:08:54 co-mingled recycling and also the yard waste collection.
12:08:58 One of the things that I want to say is that with the
12:09:01 curbside recycling participation study, it will definitely
12:09:06 enable us to be smarter on how we do our recycling.
12:09:12 The other thing I want to mention is that when you change
12:09:17 the route, of course you have less emissions, but also you
12:09:20 have less trips to the materials recovery facility and there
12:09:26 are costs associated with that.
12:09:30 In the interest of time, I want to toot our horn for another
12:09:34 recycling here at McKay bay as well, metal recycle both
12:09:39 ferrous and nonferrous, to the tune of about 7,798 tons of
12:09:42 ferrous metal in fiscal year '11 and 280 tons of nonferrous
12:09:47 metal in fiscal year '11.
12:09:50 What does that mean for our recycling program?
12:09:53 That means a little over $545,000 that is generated just
12:09:59 from metal revenue.
12:10:01 So an opportunity not only to do right from a greenhouse gas
12:10:04 but also to help to offset some of the costs of our
12:10:09 recycling program.
12:10:12 I am not going to go through this.
12:10:13 This is the sustainability fact sheet.
12:10:16 It comes out once a year.
12:10:17 But basically it kind of tells us, okay, because we recycled
12:10:22 about 6,000 tons, over 6,000 tons of cardboard, over 94 tons
12:10:28 of steel, over 1,000 tons of plastic, what does it equate to
12:10:33 in aluminum and in glass?
12:10:34 What does it equate to in gas emissions? But it's kind of
12:10:40 like a score sheet to tell you this is happened because of
12:10:42 our recycling program.
12:10:45 Now what are we going to do to improve?
12:10:48 And I am going to try to be fast.
12:10:52 In terms of increasing recycling tonnage, one of the things
12:10:55 that came out is clearly we have got some areas that will
12:11:00 benefit from more education, more outreach, more
12:11:03 neighborhood engagement.
12:11:04 We are going to do targeted engagement of neighborhoods
12:11:06 where we see where we can really improve the participation
12:11:10 One of the things that I didn't say is that the average
12:11:13 participation rate throughout the city is about 33%.
12:11:16 So you heard me say 55% on the high end and 12% on the low
12:11:20 So there's some opportunities there to do that.
12:11:23 The other thing that I want to do is we need to do a little
12:11:26 bit more about being aggressive with city facilities.
12:11:29 So we are looking at figuring out what it's going take in
12:11:33 terms of equipment, and personnel, to come up for real
12:11:37 routes that focus on collection.
12:11:39 We need to be the example of collecting recyclables here in
12:11:45 the city by first demonstrating a city facility so we are
12:11:47 going to work that one.
12:11:48 The other thing I want to talk about is neighborhood
12:11:50 collection centers.
12:11:51 Where it makes sense, we are working with parks and rec to
12:11:54 look at where we can put centers so when we are dealing with
12:11:58 multifamily, when we are dealing with low participation rate
12:12:01 areas, we can give some other options.
12:12:05 And so we are looking at that as well.
12:12:07 And when I mentioned about the multifamily complex, the
12:12:14 department has been approached by a number of valet services
12:12:16 here in the city. So we believe that we will be a bridge to
12:12:19 help collaboration between property managers, or
12:12:24 associations, in multifamily, and those valet services where
12:12:29 it makes sense,.
12:12:32 And the last thing I want to highlight, fully automated, we
12:12:36 need to look at carting some of our recycling.
12:12:42 If you have high participation rates, one of the things that
12:12:45 we glean from getting information from Miami-Dade and other
12:12:48 communities, but using Miami-Dade as an example, when they
12:12:51 introduce carted re cycling to the city, their participation
12:12:57 rate, the tonnage, et cetera, went up about 50 50%. So
12:13:01 there's some opportunities just for carting.
12:13:03 It makes sense.
12:13:04 I hate putting my boxes out when it rains and stuff blowing,
12:13:08 and some of the complaints you get and I get are about
12:13:10 recyclable materials flying or bottles breaking or something
12:13:15 like that, when we go to cart it.
12:13:18 And we'll look at that.
12:13:19 We did a pilot at MacDill Air Force Base.
12:13:24 And now it's about identifying the capital dollars, because
12:13:26 there is an investment in cart, identifying the trucks that
12:13:32 need to be done.
12:13:33 So moving in that direction as well.
12:13:37 And then talking about revenue.
12:13:39 We can do some things in terms of the contracting that we
12:13:43 have in place.
12:13:44 And I don't want to go through all the things, but I want to
12:13:48 emphasize that we are looking at contract terms, ware
12:13:50 looking at revenue sharing, we are looking at processing
12:13:53 fees, we are looking at the kind of issues to modify the
12:13:59 program recyclables, and where I get my information from
12:14:03 because we are benchmarking from other municipalities.
12:14:08 Councilwoman Capin talked about San Antonio.
12:14:10 She said something about San Antonio multiple times.
12:14:14 What we were able to find, though, there are many other
12:14:17 municipalities that are doing some things, and those
12:14:19 agreements are in place.
12:14:21 So we are working with purchasing now to look at how we do
12:14:24 the right thing to get better returns from the recyclable
12:14:29 material here in the city.
12:14:30 And the last slide that I want to talk about is yard waste
12:14:34 collection, because how we do yard waste collection has an
12:14:38 impact on green house gas emissions.
12:14:40 Right now we have two-person trucks.
12:14:42 We have people using the plastic bags.
12:14:45 And you have got to cut it open and you have to dutch in the
12:14:48 and do the disposal of the bag.
12:14:50 All of that takes extra tame.
12:14:52 We already know that there are a number of municipalities,
12:14:56 just doing the research in the State of Florida that have
12:14:58 already gone to biodegradable bags.
12:15:01 And so we were exploring those.
12:15:03 I wanted to make sure that you knew some of the things that
12:15:06 we are also looking at and exploring.
12:15:09 And you may have to come back to council for support on
12:15:12 those kinds of things.
12:15:13 But a number of initiatives that we are doing in the
12:15:15 department of solid waste and environmental program
12:15:17 management to work on these things.
12:15:20 The thing that I am most excited about and I want to share
12:15:23 with you today is finally for the first time since I have
12:15:26 been the director, I have a full recycling staff, and I have
12:15:32 Travis Barnes and oh Lori here with me today to really get a
12:15:35 more strategic focus to our program.
12:15:38 And so Travis has only been with us for about six months and
12:15:44 Lori has only been with us for about eight, so there's been
12:15:46 a lot of instability in that area, and I am pleased to say
12:15:50 we have stability now, and I am confident the skill sets to
12:15:53 get it done.
12:15:54 So I know I have gone over my time.
12:15:56 So with that I would entertain any questions.
12:16:01 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Mrs. Montelione asked for the floor
12:16:03 Any other council members in that order.
12:16:06 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I have to say that if there was a
12:16:11 co-director of sustainability, Ms. Brickhouse is it.
12:16:15 So Thom kind of shared his green officer title, I think,
12:16:19 with Ms. Brickhouse, because when we talk about departments,
12:16:23 and your department, I think, is the one that influences our
12:16:29 sustainability here in the city most.
12:16:31 And I appreciate all of the research, because I have been on
12:16:41 you since day one and you have always been very
12:16:43 accommodating with your time and coming to my office and
12:16:45 talking about what strategies that we can pursue.
12:16:50 So I am very excited to hear about some of the things that
12:16:54 you talked about, strategies that you are looking at going
12:16:57 forward, because I have been waiting a long time for that
12:17:00 participation study and to hear about where we are going
12:17:03 with recycling and to have the staff members that you just
12:17:07 announced that we have only had for the past six or eight
12:17:11 So thank you for the work.
12:17:13 And I hope that we can look forward to more good things from
12:17:17 your department.
12:17:18 Because often, just recently, we talk about your department
12:17:21 and how we have to change things around because of the
12:17:28 revenue or lack thereof, I should say, and again, I want to
12:17:32 bring to light and highlight that this is about the money.
12:17:38 It is about the economy.
12:17:40 And it is about save the city money while doing the right
12:17:46 So thank you very much for your report, Ms. Brickhouse.
12:17:51 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Ms. Capin and then Ms. Mulhern.
12:17:54 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Thank you, Ms. Brickhouse.
12:17:56 Immaterial encouraged.
12:17:58 Your service date changed the re routing in 2010.
12:18:03 How long have you been --
12:18:05 >> 2008.
12:18:05 I'm almost at my four-year.
12:18:09 >>YVONNE CAPIN: The rerouting in 2010 from 72 to 36 mails,
12:18:14 the route optimization, GPS, fuel consumption, savings,
12:18:20 recycling routes, your logistic expertise shows and I'm glad
12:18:29 to see that.
12:18:30 Very much so.
12:18:30 I also want to say that one of the things you mentioned Dade
12:18:33 County -- and I did look at Dade County.
12:18:35 I know I mentioned San Antonio, and there are many.
12:18:38 But if you can glean the best of all of these different
12:18:41 ones, which is what you are saying you are looking at, it's
12:18:45 just really fantastic.
12:18:47 I want you to know that Dade County, their recycling
12:18:53 program, which implemented the cart, the recycling, which
12:19:01 increased their recycling from 14% to 77%, the consulting
12:19:07 firm that consulted for Dade County was from Tampa.
12:19:12 And I think the name was castle.
12:19:18 So this is very good news.
12:19:20 Also, the recycling staff is on board.
12:19:25 Thank you very much.
12:19:26 And I look forward to reports.
12:19:29 I wanted to ask you, these improvements, is there a time
12:19:33 Or, you know you mentioned five recycling programs,
12:19:39 improvements, that you found that need improvement on the
12:19:41 recycling, and there were five points to be implemented.
12:19:47 >> They are back there shaking in their boots because we
12:19:59 were preparing for this.
12:20:00 The thing that I said, now you all know what we got to do
12:20:03 We have to get the strategic plan with some project
12:20:06 management, some time lines, et cetera, et cetera.
12:20:09 And I would like to be able to do not wait until we have
12:20:12 done everything, but periodically to come and give updates
12:20:16 as to how we are progressing along to the task.
12:20:22 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I know you are coming back in September, so
12:20:24 I look forward to more positive reports.
12:20:26 Thank you very much.
12:20:28 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Mr. Suarez?
12:20:29 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you.
12:20:31 One quick question.
12:20:32 All the things you are doing which are terrific, and we
12:20:35 really appreciate the work you have done in the four years
12:20:37 you have been here.
12:20:37 You really transformed part of this city in terms of that
12:20:42 particular department that you are in charge of to make it
12:20:45 one of the best departments in the city.
12:20:47 We really appreciate your help.
12:20:48 >> Thank you.
12:20:49 >>MIKE SUAREZ: In terms of everything that you have done,
12:20:54 where does this place us in terms of pay as you go process?
12:20:58 I know this is the first part.
12:21:00 How much sooner or how much later do we have before we get
12:21:03 to that point where we are really implementing that?
12:21:06 >>TONJA BRICKHOUSE: I'm glad you asked that question.
12:21:14 [ Laughter ]
12:21:15 Here is our strategy.
12:21:17 When we get to where we have carted, recycling, the issues
12:21:23 about volume based which would be pay as you go, the issues
12:21:27 about service day change, service day frequency, whether the
12:21:31 city could then go to once a week versus twice a week.
12:21:34 All the things that you get, that I get, once we get over
12:21:39 the carted recycling hurdles then I believe -- and we can
12:21:46 use data, then I believe woe we would be able to say now
12:21:49 it's time to introduce the pay as you go, and now it's time
12:21:52 to look at this one day a week.
12:21:54 Don't think that's not on the list of things that we liens,
12:21:58 we hear you, and we are also looking at what other
12:22:00 municipalities are doing.
12:22:02 And so I would give the three-year window, if I had to put a
12:22:06 time limit on it, based on the work that I know we have to
12:22:09 do, to get us to where we start really discussing and having
12:22:13 a strategy of how we would go to a pay as you go, and
12:22:16 possibly even one day a week.
12:22:19 But there's more work to be done, a lot of work to be done.
12:22:23 And I hope my hair is still black when we are done.
12:22:25 >>MIKE SUAREZ: It doesn't matter that your hair still
12:22:31 black, believe me.
12:22:32 We'll still appreciate everything you do. But I know
12:22:35 recycling was the biggest piece of when we get there and
12:22:41 thanks again.
12:22:42 >>MARY MULHERN: This is a great report.
12:22:46 I just have a couple of questions.
12:22:53 I don't seem to actually rent. Can you remind me where we
12:22:57 are with yard waste collection after closing the MacDill
12:23:04 Avenue site?
12:23:07 >>TONJA BRICKHOUSE: We continue to do -- you know when we
12:23:12 did the service day changes, we went to 100 percent yard
12:23:15 waste recycling so we are collecting yard waste throughout
12:23:19 the T city.
12:23:20 We continue to do two things.
12:23:21 We continue to take it through the processes that we have on
12:23:25 And we continue to take it as we need to divert it to the
12:23:30 waste energy facility, if we have the flexibility to do
12:23:34 So we also have -- in fact, my folks have been meeting with
12:23:39 contract admin because some of the things that we talked
12:23:42 about in terms of expanding the citizen drop-off for yard
12:23:46 waste only at MacKay Bay, we want to do some structural
12:23:49 changes at the transfer station.
12:23:51 And so we have been having meetings with contract admin to
12:23:56 see what we need to change to do that.
12:23:59 We have already worked the permitting aspect of that so that
12:24:01 when we do have everything in place -- I wish I could give
12:24:05 you a time line on when that will happen.
12:24:08 I don't have -- we are not far enough into the design
12:24:14 process or the contract admin process, to put a time on it
12:24:19 but we are meeting and are discussing many of those things.
12:24:23 >>MARY MULHERN: After all the yard waste is picked up by
12:24:26 the city and it all goes to the transfer station which is
12:24:31 MacKay Bay?
12:24:33 >>TONJA BRICKHOUSE: Transfer station, the waste energy
12:24:35 facility, or we have got two contracted facilities, CRR and
12:24:39 Mothers Organic.
12:24:42 And so we have to dispose of.
12:24:44 >>MARY MULHERN: But does all the city pick-up yard waste,
12:24:52 where does it go?
12:24:55 >>TONJA BRICKHOUSE: All those places.
12:24:56 >>MARY MULHERN: So the city picks up and delivers to the
12:24:58 contractors, too?
12:25:00 >>TONJA BRICKHOUSE: Yes.
12:25:01 We can take to CRR --
12:25:05 >>MARY MULHERN: And where is the transfer station?
12:25:07 >>> At MacKay Bay.
12:25:11 >>MARY MULHERN: At MacKay Bay.
12:25:12 That's what I thought.
12:25:13 Just a question I'm wondering.
12:25:15 We have those four places where that's dropped off.
12:25:17 Is there any -- ever been an opportunity to pick up mulch,
12:25:23 for people to pick up mulch?
12:25:25 >> Mothers Organic and CRR do those kinds of things.
12:25:31 We don't -- that's their business piece of that.
12:25:36 We don't have a process where we do mulching here in the
12:25:39 city as of yet.
12:25:41 >>MARY MULHERN: So would there maybe be an opportunity for
12:25:46 from mothers organic to pick up mulch there?
12:25:49 >>TONJA BRICKHOUSE: You can go out to mothers organic and
12:25:52 get mulch.
12:25:54 >>MARY MULHERN: Give it away?
12:25:56 >> I don't know if they give it away or sell butt you can go
12:25:59 out there today and get it.
12:26:01 >>MARY MULHERN: What happened at the site at the Manhattan
12:26:05 >> The site is closed.
12:26:07 Keep in mind that that's one of the disposal or saving sites
12:26:14 for emergency manage.
12:26:16 We fill control that facility, but keep in mind if in fact
12:26:20 we had a hurricane, that's one of the temporary holding
12:26:23 sites that we use.
12:26:23 >>MARY MULHERN: So there's no drop-off there.
12:26:28 >>TONJA BRICKHOUSE: No.
12:26:29 >>MARY MULHERN: But still in city use.
12:26:30 >>TONJA BRICKHOUSE: Yes.
12:26:32 >>MARY MULHERN: And then my last question, how much of that
12:26:37 yard waste ends up going to the MacKay Bay waste energy?
12:26:47 >> I can't answer that but I can get the attorney's
12:26:49 >>MARY MULHERN: I would like to know that isn't just
12:26:52 getting incinerated, especially if we could be using it,
12:26:55 selling it, or recycling it, making it available for
12:27:03 citizens to use.
12:27:04 >>> Okay.
12:27:08 I will get that information to you.
12:27:12 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Other council members?
12:27:13 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I had to ask when Councilman Mulhern
12:27:17 brought that up because I remember five years ago or
12:27:19 something I called Kristina in your office and asked that
12:27:21 question, and I had forgotten all about it.
12:27:24 >>MARY MULHERN: Did you get the answer?
12:27:28 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I found out that we didn't do that, woo
12:27:30 that we didn't provide mulch to our citizens, but when you
12:27:34 said that, it was so funny.
12:27:36 I remember now calling your office several years ago and
12:27:39 asking that question.
12:27:43 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Anyone in the audience care to comment on
12:27:45 Tanja Brickhouse's presentation?
12:27:50 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I think there are a couple of gentlemen
12:27:52 in the room, Brian Roberts, if you want to -- now is the
12:27:56 time, if you want to come and talk about what your project
12:28:04 is doing out in Ybor City.
12:28:09 I think when we met, I met with Brian.
12:28:16 A couple of weeks ago, and I haven't had the chance.
12:28:19 I'm sorry, I have been out of town.
12:28:21 I had a funeral to attend in Pittsburgh.
12:28:23 So I hadn't gotten back to you.
12:28:25 But I think this answers some of the questions that you had
12:28:27 for me that day.
12:28:28 >> Just hearing --
12:28:34 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: For the record state your name and
12:28:36 >> My name is Brian Roberts.
12:28:38 And I am with the 1812 north 15th street.
12:28:45 Listening to Ms. Brickhouse it certainly answer add lot of
12:28:48 questions that we have, and I believe we have a request in
12:28:51 to have a meeting with her pretty soon.
12:28:53 We are doing a project right now, and it is a waste to
12:28:58 energy project, much smaller scale, of course, than what
12:29:02 MacKay Bay would be.
12:29:04 It is a scalable project, though, as well.
12:29:06 But we are looking at the building at north 15th street.
12:29:10 We will be installing a waste to energy system that uses
12:29:13 gasification and we can actually use a mixture of yard
12:29:17 waste, sewage sludge, and MSW, and basically there is a
12:29:22 front end processing to it that would separate out
12:29:26 recyclables and anything that would not be suitable for use
12:29:33 as a heat stock, and basically there's a way to do this on
12:29:38 again a scalable level to be done on a very small scale
12:29:43 which is what we will be on-site all the way up to something
12:29:46 that would handle 8 to 25 and on up tons per hour of waste,
12:29:52 and will be sorted into again recyclables and materials that
12:29:58 would be compressed into a fuel brickette that would be fed
12:30:04 into a gasification unit that would provide localized energy
12:30:08 production, heating, cooling and electricity.
12:30:11 So we will be doing that there at the building here in
12:30:16 pretty short order actually.
12:30:17 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Thank you, Brian.
12:30:26 I would also encourage you to talk with Mr. Snelling about
12:30:31 some of the things that you are doing out in Ybor, and maybe
12:30:36 we can highlight some of the activities out there.
12:30:41 If no one has any questions, I would like to go to the next
12:30:46 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Janet Harrison.
12:30:47 >> Actually, I have them in a different order, sir.
12:30:52 The clerk didn't exactly have the order that I had them
12:30:57 arranged to speak in.
12:30:58 So if you don't mind, Wendy --
12:31:02 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I don't know. I'm the chair.
12:31:04 Harrison may mind.
12:31:08 >>LISA MONTELIONE: They knew what the order was.
12:31:10 In speaking the with my intern Emily.
12:31:13 But Wendy Nero and David ashman are with CH2M Hill.
12:31:21 Wendy is the vice-president and southwest Florida area
12:31:24 manager and David Ashman has been working with the city on
12:31:28 the Tampa UCAP project and they will be talking about
12:31:32 sustainability in the construction program, and the savings
12:31:36 that have been netted to the city for under the UCAP
12:31:40 So I wanted to highlight some of the things that I believe
12:31:43 is upwards of $90 million that this project has cost the
12:31:46 city over time, and I wanted to point out some of the things
12:31:51 that we are getting for that 90 million.
12:31:55 >>> Can I have the presentation?
12:31:59 As Councilwoman mentioned, I work with CH2M Hill, a very
12:32:06 large environmental engineering firm, and we deal with
12:32:09 infrastructure of all kinds across waste, power, water,
12:32:13 transportation, airports, you name it, we touch it all, and
12:32:17 we touch it from the planning phase, the design phase, the
12:32:21 construction phase, the operation phase, maintenance, and
12:32:26 So it's part of our culture to look at every one of those
12:32:30 practices across all of those engineering disciplines with
12:32:32 sustainability in mind.
12:32:35 A number of speakers already touched upon the bottom line
12:32:41 approach of sustainabilities with the components being
12:32:45 planet, profit or efficiency or financial look.
12:32:48 Our philosophy on this is all three must be part of any
12:32:52 sustainability programs, and if sustainability is to take
12:32:57 hold whether it's one of our clients, whether it's in our
12:32:59 company or whether with the municipalities and the county
12:33:03 we, it has to start at the top.
12:33:05 This is a leadership driven initiative that then permeates
12:33:08 culture which allows sustainability to take hold across the
12:33:14 With some of those client leaders that I mentioned we have
12:33:19 accomplished a great number of results.
12:33:20 As you can see we have saved more than 8 million kilowatt
12:33:24 hours of electricity.
12:33:25 This is in one year alone.
12:33:26 This is in 2011.
12:33:28 We saved 300 that you THERMS of gas and 36 million gallons
12:33:37 of water annually.
12:33:39 In the western U.S. alone we have reused more than 2 billion
12:33:43 gallons of water at treatment facilities through operations
12:33:46 If you take a different perspective you can find these kinds
12:33:49 of efficiencies.
12:33:53 One example of sustainable initiative that we do with a
12:33:57 municipality, this is with the city of Boise, I had ooh who.
12:34:01 We develop a strategic plan that looked across all of the
12:34:04 city functions --
12:34:07 >> I'm sorry, excuse me.
12:34:08 We need to get one more member of council.
12:34:10 >>HARRY COHEN: We are in a workshop session.
12:34:13 >> Three members takes it down --
12:34:16 >>HARRY COHEN: To a special called discussion.
12:34:17 >>LISA MONTELIONE: So I hope to get another council member.
12:34:22 I think we may go to a special called discussion anyway
12:34:30 because we have another council member that's getting ready
12:34:31 to leave.
12:34:32 So I think once we have a quorum we are going to take it to
12:34:35 a special called discussion, and that way we won't have to
12:34:39 interrupt again.
12:34:39 >> We have one coming back.
12:34:43 >> We are also going to lose.
12:34:44 We are going to continue the workshop now.
12:34:46 >> So one example is Boise, Idaho, and the key here is that
12:34:53 it was a strategic plan that looked across all of the
12:34:55 departments and all the functions of the city so that you
12:34:59 have a holistic approach, leadership driven, that talks
12:35:02 about the opportunities of sustainable practices that align
12:35:06 with your services.
12:35:07 You have to continue to deliver the core functions of what a
12:35:09 city does, and that allows you to then prioritize the best
12:35:13 return in the budgeting process, whether it's in one
12:35:15 department or another.
12:35:18 It gives you an across-the-city look.
12:35:21 It has to be developed as key growth.
12:35:24 We heard the notion of resiliency.
12:35:29 From a client's standpoint, climate management standpoint,
12:35:33 economy standpoint, those that are resilliant are much more
12:35:36 sustainable for the long-term.
12:35:38 It has to be focused on efficiency improvements and
12:35:40 sustainable practices.
12:35:42 We spend a lot of time looking at energy recovery in a water
12:35:46 utility, for example.
12:35:47 We spend a lot of time looking at fleet management as your
12:35:51 director spoke to you about.
12:35:53 What are the things that you can do from a process and
12:35:55 operational standpoint without capital investment that nets
12:35:58 you energy savings, water savings, and productivity
12:36:02 efficiency gains?
12:36:03 And that's the way we approach it.
12:36:05 I want to give you one more example simply because it's very
12:36:08 big, it's scalable, and it relates to tourism.
12:36:10 We are the program manager for the Olympics and in the
12:36:15 planning process that started many years ago we began with
12:36:19 the end in mind, and says that's what you need to do, and so
12:36:23 sustainability was a core fundamental function of delivering
12:36:26 the Olympics.
12:36:27 The gentleman in the Tampa office has a Ph.D. in
12:36:32 sustainabilities and developed a sustainable plan for the
12:36:34 Olympics that focus on reducing carbon emissions by 50%.
12:36:40 We have achieved that.
12:36:41 It maximized the opportunity to design out waste, plan the
12:36:47 project to minimize waste from the get-go, don't try to
12:36:50 recover it at the end and figure out what to do with it
12:36:53 It was planned to reduce -- reuse or recycle 50% of the
12:36:58 demolition material and it 0% of construction waste.
12:37:00 We did that.
12:37:01 It has environmentally and socially responsible materials.
12:37:05 If you don't think the supply chain is important as you
12:37:08 consider sustainability, it's critically important.
12:37:11 Just ask apple about the importance of the supply chain.
12:37:13 And lastly, one of the unique things here is that it was
12:37:16 designed to reuse the facility after the Olympics was on.
12:37:20 One example is the swimming complex will be taken down to
12:37:24 half tier so that the accommodations are more suited for
12:37:29 long-term use of the community long after the Olympics are
12:37:33 In addition to that, there is an entire sustainable program
12:37:35 that wraps around the Olympics.
12:37:37 If you events like the Super Bowl, like the RNC coming, like
12:37:41 Gasparilla arts festival, like all of the events that you do
12:37:44 downtown, there is a tremendous opportunity to integrate
12:37:46 sustainable practices into the planning for those and into
12:37:49 the recycling and clean-up. So this is just a few examples.
12:37:53 I am not going to give it today but Dave can quickly run
12:37:57 through some of the specific savings that the city achieves
12:37:59 through one capital improvement program of the many that you
12:38:02 do and the results that came from that.
12:38:04 >> Thank you, Wendy.
12:38:16 I'm David Ashman, work with CH2M Hill, live in Riverview,
12:38:24 The program is nothing new to the city.
12:38:26 We have been working with the city and UCAP, the city
12:38:33 utility capital improvement project.
12:38:42 Thanks, Wendy.
12:38:43 The utility capital improvements project starts out at
12:38:47 approximately a $250 million contract over a five-year
12:38:50 period, but as a result of the economic downturn that
12:38:52 reduced to a little over 100 million.
12:38:56 It includes approximately 25 projects didn't add cross
12:39:04 water, wastewater and storm water project.
12:39:08 Scope of services includes program management, permitting
12:39:13 design, inspection, pretty much taking over all the
12:39:15 inspections for the city.
12:39:17 On behalf of the city.
12:39:23 >>HARRY COHEN: We are going to lose our quorum so we are
12:39:25 going to go from a workshop to a special called meeting at
12:39:28 this point.
12:39:28 Clerk, is there anything in addition that we have to do
12:39:31 other than announcing that?
12:39:34 Thank you very much.
12:39:34 Go ahead and continue.
12:39:35 >> So I just listed --
12:39:48 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Mr. Chairman, I'm sorry.
12:39:51 I'm sorry I stepped out.
12:39:52 You are going to be converting this workshop to a special
12:39:55 discussion meeting?
12:39:56 >>HARRY COHEN: Correct.
12:39:58 >> You have a quorum present.
12:39:59 A special discussion meeting will not allow to you take any
12:40:01 action whatsoever, even new business or anything like that.
12:40:04 So my question is, is there anything that council wishes to
12:40:08 take care of while you still have a quorum in the next
12:40:10 couple of minutes before you have that opportunity?
12:40:17 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Well, there was, but the other speakers
12:40:19 haven't had a chance to speak yet and it was going to be
12:40:21 after everyone made their presentation.
12:40:23 And I just have one thing to say.
12:40:25 This is the third time I have held a workshop and this is
12:40:28 the last time it was last on the workshop and this is the
12:40:32 third time of that we lost a quorum.
12:40:34 So it's really difficult for me in this position to have
12:40:38 these workshops, and then have council members not be able
12:40:42 to attend.
12:40:43 And I understand Ms. Capin has an engagement in Orlando, and
12:40:48 has to leave, and that was known when we first scheduled
12:40:53 But I have been working on this workshop for six, eight
12:40:57 months, ten months, and --
12:41:02 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I'm sorry.
12:41:04 >>HARRY COHEN: I am going go to Mrs. Mulhern after Mr.
12:41:11 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I don't know if any other council members
12:41:13 are returning.
12:41:14 >>HARRY COHEN: I don't believe they are.
12:41:15 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Just a remained their don't have to take
12:41:19 any specific action today because you do have a regular
12:41:21 meeting next week and you can certainly -- and do any
12:41:24 unfinished business.
12:41:25 >>HARRY COHEN: And I would remained everyone we don't
12:41:28 normally take actions at workshop sessions anyway so the
12:41:32 more appropriate time for any business would be at the next
12:41:34 regularly scheduled council meeting.
12:41:37 Mrs. Mulhern.
12:41:37 >>MARY MULHERN: I was just going to say that Councilwoman
12:41:40 Montelione, if you had an idea of anything that you would
12:41:44 like to motion, I'm pretty sure you would get support for it
12:41:49 right now despite we haven't heard from everyone.
12:41:56 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I appreciate that.
12:41:57 So there was new business today that would not be conducted
12:42:01 then it would come forward as old business at the next
12:42:07 It will come first under old business?
12:42:09 >>HARRY COHEN: No, I think we will just have regular new
12:42:11 business at the next meeting, because it was never
12:42:14 introduced at this meeting.
12:42:16 Councilwoman Montelione, did you have additional?
12:42:23 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I guess the time would then be at the
12:42:26 next council meeting.
12:42:27 I mean, what I was leading up to were a couple of goals for
12:42:31 this workshop, and one was to have a motion to ask our staff
12:42:43 and our legal department to work on updating our green
12:42:47 ordinance and to bring forward a group that would be
12:42:56 committed from the administration for a task force that we
12:43:02 spoke of earlier.
12:43:03 >>HARRY COHEN: When we have regular new business, since we
12:43:14 don't normally take action at the workshop session.
12:43:16 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I would like to make that as a motion.
12:43:33 >>HARRY COHEN: So we have a motion.
12:43:38 Can you restate it just for the purpose of clarification?
12:43:51 >>YVONNE CAPIN: (off microphone).
12:43:53 >>HARRY COHEN: We have a motion by Mrs. Montelione,
12:43:58 seconded -- seconded by Councilman Mulhern.
12:44:04 Is there any further discussion?
12:44:05 Hearing none, all those in favor please indicate by saying
12:44:08 aye. Opposed?
12:44:11 Motion passes 4-0.
12:44:12 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Thank you.
12:44:17 Have a safe trip.
12:44:18 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I apologize.
12:44:21 Councilman Reddick asked me to bring to your attention that
12:44:24 a motion had been previously made that was passed, that
12:44:30 needs clarification.
12:44:31 Relative to Catherine Coyle bringing back options for the
12:44:37 July cycle.
12:44:39 If that motion could be amended to use the word that
12:44:42 Catherine Coyle should prepare options for the July cycle,
12:44:45 and she has S tentatively anticipating a September-October
12:44:49 workshop to discuss the July cycle amendments to include
12:44:51 those options. So if somebody would make the motion to
12:44:54 amend Councilman Reddick's prior motion.
12:44:56 >> We have a motion by Councilwoman Mulhern, seconded by
12:45:01 Councilwoman Capin.
12:45:02 All those in favor? Opposed?
12:45:06 At this point this meeting is becoming a special called
12:45:09 discussion and we are not going to entertain any further new
12:45:13 Thank you.
12:45:14 Sorry about that.
12:45:15 Go ahead.
12:45:25 No need to apologize.
12:45:27 Wendy briefly talked about the somatic approach to
12:45:30 sustainability as it applies to cities and what we have
12:45:34 What I want to do is briefly give a report of how we have
12:45:38 taken sustainable construction and applied to the our UCAP
12:45:43 construction project that we completed today.
12:45:47 Just for clarity, for our conception of it is sustainable
12:45:54 construction is pretty much mitigating the harmful effects
12:45:58 of the construction process and taking the opportunities to
12:46:09 cost and material savings while increasing employee safety
12:46:15 and public safety.
12:46:15 What we have done is pretty much prepared a sustainable
12:46:20 construction manual internally that provides an opportunity
12:46:24 for our construction managers and project managers to have a
12:46:30 visual different process and procedures that we can
12:46:34 implement on our projects to help to minimize the negative
12:46:37 impact of construction, which ultimately results in cost
12:46:42 savings on a project.
12:46:46 We have installed quick start guides, we have developed
12:46:49 sustainable posters for the field offices, we have
12:46:53 implemented multiple field office initiatives, as well as
12:46:58 construction activity initiatives, not going into detail on,
12:47:04 but instead talk about some of the accomplishments from
12:47:11 Some of the accomplishments that we have realized, we have
12:47:14 moved from paper-based meetings to electronic meetings which
12:47:20 has ultimately reduced our paper usage, our copiers usage,
12:47:25 with posters that we have developed.
12:47:27 We have increased the staff awareness, both staff from our
12:47:31 construction staffing but also from our subcontractors that
12:47:36 work for us, or with us in the project.
12:47:42 We have added recycling programs that are working pretty
12:47:45 And ultimately what we are seeing is by increasing the staff
12:47:48 awareness and training, that staff will take away from what
12:47:53 we are doing in the office and they'll take that home and
12:47:57 start implementing that on hold for our subcontractors, they
12:48:00 will move from this program and go through all their
12:48:03 projects, and also implement those sustainable practices
12:48:06 with a goal being pretty much fostering a cultural
12:48:12 sustainability that not only affects what we do here, but it
12:48:16 starts becoming a culture across the city.
12:48:22 We have also started checking the equipment operating hours,
12:48:26 and idle times in order to reduce the carbon admission and
12:48:32 ultimately resulted in lower fuel costs.
12:48:35 As it relates to our project.
12:48:37 And I think the highlight for us that we wanted to pass on
12:48:40 to the city and members of the City Council in particular as
12:48:46 a result of the project that you guys have approved through
12:48:50 the program, we have recycled over 27,000-tons of asphalt on
12:48:58 these construction projects, used more than 45,000-tons of
12:49:04 crushed concrete in lieu of limerock base and all of which
12:49:09 are renewable.
12:49:13 And ultimately provided a return in approximately $25,000 in
12:49:19 project savings.
12:49:23 Again, that is through the work you have done, what the city
12:49:29 has implemented to the program.
12:49:31 And at this point, in the essence of time we will entertain
12:49:37 any questions as well.
12:49:38 >>HARRY COHEN: Is there anyone from the public that would
12:49:47 like to comment on the previous presentation?
12:49:52 Councilwoman Montelione.
12:49:53 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Thank you.
12:49:57 Now Janet Harrison.
12:49:59 As Janet comes to the podium, she's an account executive
12:50:02 with EcoAssets Solutions which specializes in
12:50:05 sustainability, advising analysis and management for the
12:50:09 public and private sector.
12:50:11 She will be speaking on the company's work and how the city
12:50:14 can implement sustainability programs and the benefits of
12:50:17 doing so.
12:50:18 And I also want to highlight that EcoAssets Solutions along
12:50:23 with the foundation has been providing or did provide the
12:50:28 program management and the guidelines for our green business
12:50:35 designation, which we have here at the city, and if anybody
12:50:39 has a business out there that would like to become a green
12:50:43 business with the city, then please contact -- or go to our
12:50:49 web page for sustainability.
12:50:51 Thank you.
12:50:51 >> My name is Janet Harrison with eco-asset solutions in
12:51:01 And sustainability a lot is a catch word but to us we
12:51:11 believe it's a practice, not a project.
12:51:13 It's not something that we can just pass off without a
12:51:16 succession plan.
12:51:21 We feel like one of the things that's helpful for me, I
12:51:32 believe when I describe sustainability, is the opposite
12:51:37 which is unsustainability.
12:51:38 So we would never put in the process some sort of business
12:51:42 practice that would be unprofitable, that benefited one
12:51:46 other thing.
12:51:47 By the same token, we would not take the other compass
12:51:55 points and compromise them only for the benefit of
12:52:00 Sustainability does take into account the economy, nature,
12:52:05 society, and the well-being of our communities and our
12:52:13 Our mission at eco-assets solutions is to create
12:52:17 sustainability systems, they improve competitiveness and
12:52:24 grow revenue.
12:52:27 Some municipalities that have developed their own
12:52:28 sustainability management systems have also seen an increase
12:52:31 in their bond rating, and the commercial market we would
12:52:34 call that brand awareness.
12:52:36 But in public sector, we like to take a look at bond
12:52:41 We also take a look at things like increased employee
12:52:46 morale, accidents that decrease in the workplace is a result
12:52:49 of very, very engaged employees.
12:52:54 And, of course, eliminating resource waste and improving
12:53:01 Many believe it's about reduction.
12:53:04 It's not about reduction.
12:53:05 It's about efficiency.
12:53:06 And making sure that we are managing our resources
12:53:13 We hear a lot about what's going on in the city today, and
12:53:16 you guys have done a great job of assembling some power
12:53:19 houses in sustainability from our area.
12:53:22 Within the city we have a lot of things going on.
12:53:26 Councilwoman Montelione has mentioned the green business
12:53:30 designation program for our city businesses. We have the
12:53:33 ULI service report.
12:53:38 We have the planning council.
12:53:41 We have envision.
12:53:42 I was with the disabled business awards this year. We also
12:53:46 have the growth sustainability.
12:53:48 We have education and sustainability through UT, HCC,
12:53:53 St. Pete college.
12:53:54 So we have all these wonderful things happening.
12:53:57 And their common goal is creating what would be disguised as
12:54:01 a more sustainably focused city and economy. So my question
12:54:05 is, why don't we have an overall published comprehensive
12:54:11 plan that encompasses all of these things?
12:54:18 Here is an example of the city of Philadelphia.
12:54:20 They have their sustainability management system called
12:54:22 green works.
12:54:24 They took a look through five different things, energy
12:54:28 environment, equity, economy and engagement.
12:54:31 And as a result, they have started 148 of 167 initiatives so
12:54:39 They are all published, performance tracks and reported on
12:54:44 their Web site.
12:54:45 We talk a lot about transparency and sustainability.
12:54:48 When we report what we are doing, and we show whether we are
12:54:51 ahead of our time line, behind our time line, that build
12:54:57 thrust the N your community in, your employees in, your
12:54:59 residents, and also in the businesses in the community as
12:55:03 The city of Philadelphia is a fabulous example for their
12:55:07 solid waste program.
12:55:10 They have increased their recycling volume, not recycling
12:55:15 participation, recycling volume.
12:55:17 74%, between 2008 and 2010.
12:55:22 And taking a look at our recycling participation which is
12:55:28 33%, the national average is 32%, we have some areas of
12:55:33 improvement, and the city of developed would be a great
12:55:36 place to look at.
12:55:41 This is kind of an easy-to-digest map of the journey to
12:55:46 sustainability where we can wind kind of break it down into
12:55:49 easily digestible components.
12:55:51 The first component would be measuring.
12:55:54 Measuring our environmental impact, our social impact, our
12:55:57 economic impact.
12:55:58 For instance, inventory completed for the City of Tampa.
12:56:05 The next would be to disclose reports of findings.
12:56:08 This unfortunately is where a lot of people stop.
12:56:11 You will see a lot of reports from companies,
12:56:15 municipalities, who say this is what our greenhouse gas
12:56:18 inventory is.
12:56:19 This is what our action plan is, in the data 2007, 2008, and
12:56:25 they haven't done anything since then.
12:56:29 The sustainability is a process that takes a lot of courage
12:56:32 and passion.
12:56:34 And a lot of patience.
12:56:36 So in closing we would then align our stakeholders.
12:56:42 And stakeholders include what Wendy spoke of, aligning the
12:56:49 organizations behind what you want to do, when you have
12:56:52 buy-in from your employs and buy-in from your community, and
12:56:55 they become part of that planned structure, they are going
12:56:59 to make sure that that plan is successful, continuing to
12:57:04 engage with all of the stakeholders to facilitate behavioral
12:57:07 change, communicating, build transparency, which build
12:57:12 trust, and the most important part of it was data management
12:57:20 and making sure we have measurable results.
12:57:23 Some of the recommendations -- and I think Ms. Mulhern
12:57:27 touched on this -- is to create a comprehensive
12:57:30 sustainability plan for the city.
12:57:32 And the resulting action plan with measurable initiatives
12:57:36 and data management system that reports specifics to
12:57:40 targeted audiences and includes an ongoing platform for
12:57:46 community and stakeholder engagement, bringing together the
12:57:54 effort -- everything a central plan is a great place for all
12:57:56 those efforts to come together, and it also build upon some
12:57:59 of the recommendations published in previous reports for
12:58:03 creating innovative and strategic partnerships with supply
12:58:06 chain, with community businesses.
12:58:11 Measurable action plan for solid waste would take on things
12:58:14 that would include, as an example, a data management program
12:58:21 where we would be able to measure recycling participation
12:58:24 rate, recycling volume, set a target, and actually publish
12:58:28 out to our residents where we are in our process.
12:58:32 It would also help publish an operational efficiencies and
12:58:36 increase profitability on the recovered materials.
12:58:41 In conclusion, I know we are running way over on time today.
12:58:47 I tell people when I talk to them, I am not just a tax payer
12:58:50 in my city.
12:58:52 I am an investor in my community.
12:58:54 My family roots run deep.
12:58:56 I'm third generation.
12:58:58 And my grandfather was actually a former chairman of the
12:59:02 Aviation Authority and was tasked to developing what's now
12:59:05 Tampa International Airport.
12:59:07 So I see what his legacy was, and feel like it's our legacy
12:59:11 is the current professionals in our city to make sure that
12:59:16 our future generations are also privy to a very, very
12:59:21 sustainable city.
12:59:22 >>HARRY COHEN: Councilwoman Montelione.
12:59:26 >>LISA MONTELIONE: And Janet outlined the reasons why I
12:59:31 wanted to take action or wait to make a motion till after
12:59:35 she spoke, because this is really the crux of what I think
12:59:46 we need to do as a city, and Ms. Mulhern -- not that I want
12:59:51 to speak for you but I think you already said it and Janet
12:59:54 highlighted, this is what we need.
12:59:55 If we are going to attract the businesses, if we are going
01:00:02 to, you know, set ourselves up as the place for -- as a lot
01:00:06 of people, both in the city and the county talk about
01:00:12 economic development, a place for biotechnology, and for
01:00:17 those who work in very highly specialized fields, in medical
01:00:23 industries and technological industries, these companies
01:00:28 want to know that they are going to a sustainable city.
01:00:32 And it's one of the things that they look for when they are
01:00:37 evaluating a site to move to.
01:00:38 So anything on our EDC, economic Development Corporation
01:00:43 does, or anytime we spend QTI money, which we have done in
01:00:48 the past, the companies that are coming here want to come
01:00:52 here because we are going to be sustainable.
01:00:56 And unless we have a road map, unless we have a clearly
01:01:00 defined path, and are looking at accountability -- and
01:01:08 that's what this does, is brings accountability to the
01:01:10 process -- it's not going to be something that is taken
01:01:16 You can say you are a green city.
01:01:17 You are say you are a sustainable city.
01:01:19 But unless you can actually commit yourself to it and prove
01:01:22 it, it's just a lot of words.
01:01:25 >> Yes, sustainability isn't all about PR.
01:01:30 But also taking into account Florida high tech corridor.
01:01:35 You know, the defendant of the companies that would be
01:01:41 interested in taking a look at what that is.
01:01:43 It's another area of great opportunity for us.
01:01:48 Any other questions?
01:01:49 Thank you.
01:01:49 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Thank you.
01:01:52 And speaking last -- I saved Jaya Goswami, a recent
01:02:01 When I say recent, I mean it.
01:02:03 She graduated three days ago from Stanford university in
01:02:06 California, and she received, I believe, it was two masters
01:02:12 degrees, one in civil engineering -- tell me if I get this
01:02:18 >> Mechanical.
01:02:20 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Mechanical and the other in
01:02:23 environmental public policy.
01:02:24 How perfect is that?
01:02:25 And I can't be remiss in recognizing her famous father, at
01:02:32 least in some circles around the world, is Dr. YOGI Goswami
01:02:39 the co-director of the reclean energy research center at the
01:02:42 University of south Florida. Jaya is the quintessential
01:02:45 young person that we want to come back to Tampa.
01:02:49 She and I talked a bit when she was here, just before she
01:02:56 graduated, visiting her parents who obviously live here.
01:03:01 Her fiance lives here.
01:03:02 Her brother lives in California.
01:03:04 She can go to California and get a job anywhere she wants.
01:03:09 She can be one of very many people who work in a green
01:03:12 industry and a green economy, in a green job.
01:03:17 We would like Jaya to come back to Florida as her parents
01:03:21 have expressed to me on several occasions.
01:03:26 We as a city, we listen to our mayor talk about the people
01:03:32 we want to bring back once they have left and gone to
01:03:36 college in another state.
01:03:37 We want to bring them back.
01:03:38 Bee want to keep the young people who graduate from the
01:03:41 University of Tampa or HCC or USF, we want them to stay
01:03:49 And I think that we have that opportunity now, to talk about
01:03:58 changing the DNA of Tampa, changing the economic DNA of
01:04:02 I think this is the time and moment.
01:04:04 I'm sorry to put so much pressure on you, Jaya.
01:04:07 >> No, not at all.
01:04:11 Actually I am just as excited at the opportunity of coming
01:04:14 back to Tampa, especially because I think we are in such a
01:04:18 unique points.
01:04:19 And that's a testament to this workshop.
01:04:23 I mean, yes, there are challenges.
01:04:24 But there's a whole world of possibilities that we can see
01:04:29 and we can explore.
01:04:30 And so first I would like to thank you all forgiving me the
01:04:35 opportunity to speak.
01:04:36 I am here today because I think Tampa is in a unique
01:04:38 position, not just to celebrate its past successes, but also
01:04:42 to recognize the challenges, and now look forward to the
01:04:45 future of sustainability.
01:04:47 I feel that as our city moves forward we are in a position
01:04:51 to become an innovator and pioneer in sustainability.
01:04:55 Today public minds sets have been dominated by the fact that
01:04:59 sustainability comes at a cost, a cost that is too high to
01:05:02 pay in this economic climate.
01:05:04 No one is actually opposed to sustainability.
01:05:07 What they are opposed to is the fact this is an investment
01:05:10 that we can't afford.
01:05:11 So I am here representing point of view that while it will
01:05:14 require new policies and new innovation in government,
01:05:18 sustainability doesn't have to come with a big price tag.
01:05:23 Just three years back I graduated from Stanford University,
01:05:26 and while I was there I worked with the ChangeLabs, a lab
01:05:31 dedicated to fostering technology, business and social
01:05:33 innovation. ChangeLabs is a pioneering Stanford lab with
01:05:37 faculty members from the business school, design and
01:05:39 engineering school, humanities and sciences and many more,
01:05:44 and all of them are examining and implementing large-scale
01:05:48 So I am here representing their vision for large-scale
01:05:51 change and combining it with my own passion to see Tampa as
01:05:56 a national leader.
01:05:57 I believe that with the right leverage, we can implement a
01:06:00 second generation of sustainable and green programs, and I
01:06:07 don't think the current programs are bad, I just think that
01:06:10 we can take them to a next level moving forward.
01:06:13 To have wider adoptions, create longer lasting, positive
01:06:17 behaviors and consumption patterns, while maintaining
01:06:21 Now, if I can get the slides.
01:06:23 >>LISA MONTELIONE: There's a little remote there.
01:06:27 >> Great.
01:06:28 That's good to know.
01:06:33 If we were to do this, then the goal would be to work within
01:06:36 public mind sets, work within the city's capacity
01:06:40 constraints while creating higher levels of sustainability
01:06:44 A necessary component will be, moving forward, will be
01:06:49 greater public engagement, new and long lasting consumption
01:06:54 patterns for energy and resource couples, and new methods to
01:06:58 foster innovations so that we can do more with less.
01:07:03 So on a high level, many of us know that U.S. cities have
01:07:12 implemented a variety of sustainability programs, and yet it
01:07:15 is difficult to get adoption without costly investment so
01:07:19 that these programs can become financially stable while
01:07:22 implementing goal oriented targets.
01:07:24 Advanced energy and sustainability like I said, they don't
01:07:26 have to come with a big price tag.
01:07:28 The key to innovating for the future is driving innovation
01:07:31 through holistic programs, and we heard mention of this many
01:07:35 times throughout the day, but I just want to emphasize it
01:07:40 one more time.
01:07:41 So while Tampa has implemented a number of sustainable
01:07:45 programs, the question for the future is whether the next
01:07:47 level of impact, how could Tampa not be a leader in
01:07:52 sustainable but in new sustainable policies that are
01:07:56 suitable in this economic climate?
01:07:58 How can Tampa be at the forefront of new government models
01:08:02 to foster innovation, and how can Tampa increase traction
01:08:06 and participation of its programs so they are set up for
01:08:09 By fostering new methods of innovation, I believe that in
01:08:12 partnership with ChangeLabs, Tampa can take sustainable to a
01:08:17 whole new level of innovation.
01:08:21 Now, this is isn't without acknowledging the problems that
01:08:23 we have moving forward.
01:08:24 Costly infrastructure programs, public perception and
01:08:27 adoption, capacity constraints, and competing incentives are
01:08:31 all the problems that we have to design around.
01:08:37 There are constraints but that doesn't many we can't have
01:08:40 programs that still get at increasing public adoptions, that
01:08:43 can still minimize program costs, and I believe that we can
01:08:47 set up an example, but really there's a methodology that we
01:08:50 can apply to government to approach this problem and help
01:08:56 departments become innovators for these types of policies.
01:08:59 So this is the kind of approach.
01:09:01 Tampa has a number of individual programs that they have set
01:09:06 up for sustainable actions.
01:09:08 They are meeting the individual goals, but the larger
01:09:10 picture is missing.
01:09:11 And it's unclear.
01:09:12 And some of these actions, I believe, are going to be
01:09:15 critical in terms of moving forward.
01:09:18 But beyond that -- and I am just going to go show you what I
01:09:22 envision and what the team lab envisions takes real goals,
01:09:26 is to say we can have these individual programs and they can
01:09:29 all be doing what they are doing.
01:09:31 But let's have them coordinated so that we can take a little
01:09:34 bit of -- all our little investment in whatever programs we
01:09:37 are doing and have them stretch even further.
01:09:47 As now Tampa has implemented these programs.
01:09:55 These are just a selection.
01:09:56 And each of these programs has its own benefits.
01:09:59 For example, at the heart of the recycling program is public
01:10:01 engagement which is critical to the future of sustainability
01:10:07 Now at the heart of the green designation program, green
01:10:09 business designation program, on the other hand, that may
01:10:13 have the potential to have even higher emission reductions
01:10:17 because businesses have larger footprints.
01:10:19 So how can we have these two to help and support each other?
01:10:23 How can we make rewards and incentives in one policeman
01:10:26 support and reward incentives in another?
01:10:29 This is just an example but a pilot project, for example,
01:10:32 could take persons participating in the recycling program
01:10:34 and enter them into a point-based gaming system to award
01:10:39 gift certificates from the green businesses entered into the
01:10:42 green business designation program?
01:10:44 Now the public engagement piece, going for the recycling
01:10:48 program, is helping to pull green basis into the green
01:10:51 business designation program, because they are seeing
01:10:56 greater demand for their product.
01:10:58 And, on the other hand, the recycling program is seeing
01:11:01 benefits in terms of greater participation, because now
01:11:04 people say, okay, if I recycle, I get something for it.
01:11:08 So these are the things we have to innovate to create
01:11:13 something much more sustainable.
01:11:14 >>HARRY COHEN: I have a question.
01:11:16 What are the types of rewards that tend to motivate
01:11:20 What type of reward has worked in other places where this
01:11:27 was going to be done?
01:11:29 >> Well, I was going to get into it in a little bit but I
01:11:31 can get into it now.
01:11:33 Kansas, for example, a state where only 40% of the people,
01:11:37 or 40% of the people don't believe in climate change.
01:11:41 There they use competitive strategies.
01:11:43 They use existing rivalries within their city, high school
01:11:49 rivalries, sports rivalries, whatever they could find to
01:11:53 reduce energy consumption.
01:11:55 Could you take that similar reinforcement incentive
01:11:59 structures and take a little bit of money and make it go
01:12:01 much further.
01:12:02 So this is an example.
01:12:04 Way want to say is that we can take this type of
01:12:06 methodology, which we can partner with the City of Tampa to
01:12:13 create this larger movement, and then create a model that
01:12:18 will make Tampa a model for all of Florida, and actually all
01:12:21 of the nation.
01:12:22 So these are again just examples.
01:12:24 And I can get into more down the road.
01:12:28 But like I said, there are a lot of behavior changers that
01:12:32 that are being applied and used elsewhere and can be
01:12:34 innovative for Tampa and innovative specifically for
01:12:39 sustainable programs.
01:12:41 I know I am a little bit out of time.
01:12:45 >>HARRY COHEN: That's okay.
01:12:47 >> So I will continue.
01:12:49 My proposal is that we launch a collaborative effort.
01:12:52 I have talked with professors at Stanford, and they said if
01:12:56 you can go to the city and you see that there's interest, we
01:12:59 will support you in terms of bringing whatever brain
01:13:03 capacity we have.
01:13:04 And I said, you know, this is what I am passionate about.
01:13:07 I want to go back to Florida. I feel that if we really want
01:13:09 to drive change, then this is the area to start.
01:13:13 Florida, the south, and beyond.
01:13:15 But this is where we can really drive change.
01:13:18 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I do want to say one thing.
01:13:24 The mayor was very gracious this morning.
01:13:27 I emailed him the night before last about 9:00 at night, and
01:13:31 I said, do you have 15 minutes to meet Jaya Goswami on
01:13:38 Thursday when she's presenting?
01:13:39 And he made room.
01:13:41 He stepped out of a meeting.
01:13:42 He made room to talk to Jaya a little bit this morning, so
01:13:46 she got to pitch the project to him.
01:13:51 And I had to come to council.
01:13:53 So I don't know what the outcome was, but I really wanted to
01:13:57 thank the mayor for making that time, because that was very
01:14:04 And many people ask for meetings with the mayor.
01:14:07 She did not ask for one.
01:14:11 I wanted to make sure she got to meet him.
01:14:14 >> I'm very grateful for it, and the fact that Tampa is a S
01:14:20 in a position to become a leader rate now.
01:14:23 And I don't think that we are going to miss that
01:14:26 opportunity, hopefully.
01:14:28 I'm crossing my fingers.
01:14:30 But I will just conclude by showing you a few slides on the
01:14:36 Because what I showed you was an example.
01:14:37 But that's a result of a larger design thinking process
01:14:41 that's come out of Stanford, and now being adopted by many
01:14:45 other universities.
01:14:47 It's to take a step back and say, what are our system
01:14:52 What are we innovating for?
01:14:54 And then define those problems through a strategic
01:14:57 exploration, and then go through concept generations through
01:15:02 the departments here at Tampa and come up with the
01:15:06 development of more detailed design, and doing small scale
01:15:11 I am not saying we have to get all. City of Tampa to adopt
01:15:14 the program at the outset, but you can do rapid -- as an
01:15:17 engineer this is what we do, we go out and test with just
01:15:20 two or three people.
01:15:21 How are you interfacing with whatever program we are trying
01:15:24 to propose?
01:15:26 How do these incentives effectively take place?
01:15:29 Do they actually incentivize if in F not what can we change
01:15:35 about the system?
01:15:36 And then going through detail design to come up with more
01:15:38 concrete and actionable items that can be faced by the
01:15:45 departments and really take formative shape.
01:15:48 So I mentioned about change labs.
01:15:55 They are a pioneering lab at Sanford university and looked
01:15:59 at large scale.
01:16:00 They are actively working on several projects, or several
01:16:06 many projects to create large-scale sustainable change in
01:16:08 the world.
01:16:10 One of them specifically is an initiative launched by a
01:16:15 division of the Department of Energy ARPA-E, looking at
01:16:21 energy consumption and behavior change and looking at the
01:16:23 intersection of those say how can we reduce our energy
01:16:26 consumption through smart metering and technologies?
01:16:31 Now, this project is actually -- I mention it specifically
01:16:34 beyond their other ones because I think that it could even
01:16:37 help further inform the research that we do and the programs
01:16:42 that we can develop in Tampa.
01:16:43 And then I had mentioned the Kansas project.
01:16:46 But the fact is that this type, this type is already
01:16:53 happening in other places like Kansas, where you wouldn't
01:16:56 expect something like this to happen.
01:17:00 But this is the time to do it.
01:17:03 If we are going to do it, we should do it now, because it's
01:17:06 about to take off.
01:17:09 In a really great way.
01:17:10 So this is what I see.
01:17:12 I see for the future, just reiterating a lot of things
01:17:17 mentioned, that we create this platform that drives
01:17:19 innovation, that we connect different departments and
01:17:22 different programs, so that they talk to each other, so that
01:17:26 the programs are coordinated.
01:17:27 We have the long-term goals that I think creates the
01:17:31 long-term -- create these long-term goals.
01:17:34 We have those.
01:17:35 And then we say, okay, here are several departments.
01:17:38 Let's see how they can coordinate their programs so that
01:17:40 they meet them together, rather than talk afterwards.
01:17:44 And then, of course, reinforce the successes.
01:17:46 So ultimately you have current programs, you foster new
01:17:50 programs that come out of that, and then you integrate all
01:17:52 of these programs together.
01:17:54 So that's all I have.
01:17:56 Thank you again for letting me speak.
01:17:57 I really hope we can continue these conversations forward,
01:18:01 talk to the other councilmen and women about this.
01:18:05 I look forward to it.
01:18:08 >>HARRY COHEN: Councilwoman Montelione, Mulhern.
01:18:13 >>MARY MULHERN: If you get something going here, my
01:18:18 daughter moved to San Francisco and I want her to come back.
01:18:21 So can you get her a job?
01:18:22 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Can you get me a job?
01:18:28 [ Laughter ]
01:18:28 >>MARY MULHERN: But from Stanford, though.
01:18:32 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Like I said, the mayor was very gracious
01:18:37 to meet with Jaya this morning.
01:18:39 And I'm hoping that we can continue to T discussion with the
01:18:42 partners that were present here today and bring even
01:18:49 informally you together, all of you who are here today
01:18:56 presenting, and try and work on a proposal that can be
01:19:00 brought forth to the mayor's office, and to us here at
01:19:05 council, so that we can move this forward.
01:19:09 Because this is the time.
01:19:12 And we have got, I think, the people in place who are
01:19:14 committed to this.
01:19:15 I mean, Thom Snelling and Tonja Brickhouse, but in addition
01:19:20 our new director of public works Mike HERR because those are
01:19:24 the departments that really consume a lot as well as our new
01:19:26 director of parks and recreation.
01:19:28 So we have got the people in place that I believe are
01:19:33 willing to work on this, and move this forward.
01:19:36 So if we can bring something together and bring it forward,
01:19:42 I think it will be well received.
01:19:45 So thank you very much, everyone, for attending.
01:19:47 >>HARRY COHEN: Before we close, is there anyone from the
01:19:50 public that would like to speak regarding that last
01:19:58 Okay, seeing no one, are there any additional comments by
01:20:01 council members?
01:20:01 If not -- I'm sorry.
01:20:03 >>MARY MULHERN: I just want to thank everyone.
01:20:06 It was very, very impressive.
01:20:08 Especially Councilwoman Montelione for organizing this.
01:20:11 And it was great to hear all of this, especially from solid
01:20:17 waste, from Tanja Brickhouse about what we are doing now.
01:20:20 I think that Janet Harrison's point of not getting stuck at
01:20:25 the measurement level, which is where I feel like it tack us
01:20:32 many years to get to the point where we actually did that
01:20:35 And I think we are done with that now.
01:20:37 So we need to -- it's motivating.
01:20:40 But hopefully we'll get moving on that.
01:20:47 These kind of discussions and workshops, presentations have
01:20:51 been going on here since I have been here for five years.
01:20:54 And what really struck me today, what was interesting, the
01:21:03 gentleman from the Roosevelt.
01:21:06 Well, a couple of things.
01:21:07 One, now we are working on reacting to climate change,
01:21:14 whereas five years ago we still felt like we could slow it
01:21:19 Now we are at the point where it's happening so much faster
01:21:22 than we can even control.
01:21:25 So we have got a problem of resilience and reacting to it,
01:21:32 which is disturbing.
01:21:33 But the good thing was to hear from the Roosevelt guys, that
01:21:36 here they are, a couple of guys who are coming up with this
01:21:40 innovation that combine all these different kinds of new
01:21:45 energy solutions, and it's a distributed generation thing
01:21:49 much like solar energy could be, within their little
01:21:54 neighborhood -- not each neighborhood but a little city
01:21:57 block, they could have this complete loop of sustainability.
01:22:01 So all of these things are happening, and I just want to
01:22:06 point out that if we are just going to have another
01:22:09 committee, and a collaboration, and talk about these things,
01:22:13 we are just going to be -- while the other innovators are
01:22:17 going to be out there doing things, the city is not
01:22:20 necessarily going to be adapting anything.
01:22:21 >>HARRY COHEN: Just one moment.
01:22:27 I want to just echo what Councilwoman Mulhern just said.
01:22:31 We have read so much in the paper in the last couple of days
01:22:34 about the Riverwalk, about the improvements to Bayshore.
01:22:37 You know what?
01:22:38 All of this is going to be for naught if it's underwater.
01:22:41 And the fact of the matter is, the evidence that we are
01:22:45 seeing is that this climate change that's resulting in
01:22:51 higher sea levels is snowballing, and there really is no
01:22:55 time to waste.
01:22:56 So all of these amenities are going to be for naught.
01:22:59 So with that, I do want to -- Councilwoman Montelione has
01:23:03 one additional thing she would like to say today.
01:23:05 >>LISA MONTELIONE: She didn't know I was going to do this
01:23:11 but I do have to recognize Emily.
01:23:17 She has been working in my office.
01:23:18 I referred to her as my intern earlier but she graduated
01:23:22 from the University of South Florida, and environmental
01:23:27 issues and sustainability is a passion of hers.
01:23:29 So she did intern with my office before she graduated, and
01:23:35 loved it so much, she came back, just to work on this event
01:23:40 that we had today.
01:23:41 And she put in a lot of time and research, and phone calls,
01:23:45 and writing papers, you know, for me and bringing forth a
01:23:49 lot of information.
01:23:50 And I needed to really recognize Emily for the work that
01:23:54 she's done, because without her, this would not have
01:23:58 happened today.
01:24:00 So I really appreciate her work.
01:24:04 Thank you.
01:24:05 [ Applause ]
01:24:06 >>HARRY COHEN: Thank you everyone very much.
01:24:07 And we stand adjourned until next week.
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