Tampa City Council
Thursday, August 29, 2013
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09:03:42 >> CHAIRMAN MIRANDA: City Council is called to order.
09:04:40 The chair yield to Mr. Frank Reddick.
09:04:42 >> Thank you, Mr. Chair.
09:04:51 Our invocation this morning will be done by Ms. Shirley
09:04:55 Foxx-Knowles, and she will lead us in the invocation and
09:04:58 pledge of allegiance.
09:04:59 >>SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES: Good morning.
09:05:07 Let us pray.
09:05:07 Father, we thank you once again for this place and time and
09:05:12 for all those assembles for today's workshop meeting.
09:05:16 We thank you for the police officer being recognized this
09:05:20 We celebrate the officer and all the others that are being
09:05:23 commended for their extraordinary service to all our
09:05:27 May they continue to persevere in their future service to
09:05:32 our city and continues to be wonderful examples of
09:05:37 outstanding Tampa citizens.
09:05:39 Thank you, father, for your grace and your mercy and for our
09:05:43 many blessings.
09:05:44 Bless our council and continue to guide them in all of their
09:05:49 decision making.
09:05:50 Make them instruments of your will.
09:05:54 Continue to bless our mayor, our administration, and our
09:05:57 great staff.
09:06:00 We are all so grateful for the opportunity to provide the
09:06:03 best possible service to our citizens.
09:06:07 And now, as we go about the worldly matters of this city,
09:06:11 please continue to keep us in your care and make us shining
09:06:16 examples of your love.
09:06:18 These things we ask and thanks we give with humble hearts.
09:06:22 Let us all say amen.
09:06:24 [ Pledge of Allegiance ]
09:06:27 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Roll call.
09:06:45 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Here.
09:06:49 >>FRANK REDDICK: Here.
09:06:51 >>MARY MULHERN: Here.
09:06:51 >>HARRY COHEN: Here.
09:06:53 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Here.
09:06:55 First the presentation, omen indication to police Officer of
09:06:58 the Month by Mr. Frank Reddick.
09:07:04 >> Whoa boy.
09:07:21 [ Laughter ]
09:07:31 It scared me on that one.
09:07:39 Good morning, council.
09:07:41 It's a pleasure to present our Officer of the Month for the
09:07:45 month of August 2013, officer and the chief will give us
09:07:51 some background.
09:07:52 >> Chief Castor: It's always my pleasure and honor to bring
09:08:04 Tampa's finest before you for recognition.
09:08:06 And this month it is officer Tim Burton.
09:08:10 Outside, I will tell you in confidence that Indo told me
09:08:17 that he's the one that's the brains of the operation.
09:08:20 He doesn't know why Tim is getting all the recognition but
09:08:23 here we are.
09:08:26 I'll give you a couple for the sake of time because if I
09:08:29 were to talk about all the things that Tim does we would be
09:08:32 here all week so I will give you a couple examples of the
09:08:34 outstanding work that he does.
09:08:41 In June of 2013 he was involved in numerous incidents that
09:08:44 took individuals into custody that are responsible for what
09:08:46 we call our big four crimes in the City of Tampa.
09:08:49 And you will see how important it is to pay attention to
09:08:54 some of those lesser crimes in taking these individuals off
09:08:59 the streets that are committing crimes.
09:09:04 June 2nd, a suspect, he had a pickup for an individual
09:09:13 for domestic battery.
09:09:16 Tim took it upon himself to call the victim, get several
09:09:19 addresses for her and found out there was a possibilities
09:09:22 that he was staying at his sister's house.
09:09:25 Tim went over to that location with the district 3 ROC squad
09:09:29 and was able to take the suspect into custody, and as a
09:09:33 result he was responsible for several other crimes in
09:09:36 addition to this domestic battery, and he's facing 15 years
09:09:40 in Florida State prison right now.
09:09:42 June 5th, he was called in reference to another suspect
09:09:47 that was wanted for controlled substances.
09:09:51 He and other officers went to the location.
09:09:53 They were able to -- Tim was able to ascertain other
09:10:01 location it is suspects may have been at.
09:10:02 He went to one of those, took the suspect into custody, not
09:10:06 only for those for controlled substances, big surprise, the
09:10:09 individual had a large amount of narcotics on his person
09:10:12 when he was arrested.
09:10:14 June 6th, with the ROC squad and Hillsborough sheriff's
09:10:21 office they were looking for a known suspect wanted for
09:10:25 several charges, and based on surveillance done by Tim, he
09:10:29 and Indo were able to take this individual into custody and
09:10:34 put him into jail as well.
09:10:36 Then on July 7th, he was on an unrelated call.
09:10:41 An officer had arrested a suspect.
09:10:42 He went, talked to the individual.
09:10:44 The individual had some weapons charges against him.
09:10:47 Tim was able to develop a rapport with the suspect and found
09:10:52 out that he could actually sell the guns back to the
09:10:54 individual that he had obtained it from.
09:10:57 A search warrant was written and approved, and as a result
09:11:02 of that, Tim working with the D-2 ROC squad they arrested
09:11:08 four individuals.
09:11:09 During the search warrant they got a large amount of felony
09:11:12 narcotics, nine firearms, two of which had been reported
09:11:18 So he has done an amazing job.
09:11:21 And besides his responsibilities as a canine, that's his
09:11:26 full-time duty, he stayed aware of everything that's going
09:11:29 on in the city.
09:11:30 He knows all the offenders in his area of responsibility,
09:11:33 and he goes above and beyond to make sure that our community
09:11:36 is safe every day.
09:11:37 He does a lot of other things in his own personal time.
09:11:42 I'm not sure if you guys are Facebook followers.
09:11:45 If you are not you need to be.
09:11:46 But you may have seen the video of Tim where he got out of
09:11:49 the car and he was playing football with the young
09:11:54 neighborhood kids down in Sulphur Springs.
09:11:58 And through football into another zip code and the end of
09:12:03 the football game. Anyway, the kids were clearly impressed
09:12:07 by him.
09:12:07 And he is an outstanding member of our department as is
09:12:11 INDO, and it is certainly my honor to recognize him for all
09:12:14 that he has done as the Officer of the Month for August
09:12:20 [ Applause ]
09:12:31 >>FRANK REDDICK: Keep him sitting down.
09:12:33 On behalf of Tampa City Council we would like to present you
09:12:35 with a commendation.
09:12:37 We would like Officer of the Month for August 2013.
09:12:41 We want to congratulate you.
09:12:42 Thank you.
09:12:47 And we have some good things for you.
09:12:49 >> I told Councilman Reddick that INDO is a very nice dog bu
09:12:58 although outside when I did try to pet him look what
09:13:03 [ Laughter ]
09:13:08 >> Chip Deblock with Tampa PBA on behalf of PBA and star
09:13:14 shield insurance we partner with, it's a $100 gift card to
09:13:17 give to you.
09:13:17 So congratulations.
09:13:18 >> Good morning, council.
09:13:31 On behalf of Tampa Theatre, we would like to present you and
09:13:35 you a friend -- [ Laughter ] with a one-year membership to
09:13:40 the theater.
09:13:41 Thanks for everything you do.
09:13:41 >> Good morning.
09:13:50 I'm general manager for Bill Currie Ford.
09:13:54 I would like to first take this opportunity to invite City
09:13:57 Council members and the police department out to Bill Currie
09:14:01 Ford on Saturday, September 27th, doing a food drive for
09:14:05 Metropolitan Ministries.
09:14:06 And the food drive is also kind of like a drive-through
09:14:12 community event also.
09:14:13 What it does is for everybody that comes out and drives $20
09:14:17 is donated to Metropolitan Ministries for their services.
09:14:22 So officer Burton, on behalf of Bill occur really Ford and
09:14:29 their team members, thank you for everything you have done.
09:14:34 We present you with this watch.
09:14:36 >> Good morning, council.
09:14:41 Anna Peters here representing Straz Center for the
09:14:43 Performing Arts.
09:14:45 For everything you do I would like to present you with this.
09:14:52 >> Steve Stickley representing Stepp's towing service on
09:15:00 behalf of Jim, Judy, Todd Stepp.
09:15:03 We would like to give you this token of our appreciation for
09:15:06 a job very well done.
09:15:08 We also have a gift card for you to have Lee Roy Selmons.
09:15:13 Joe Durkin called.
09:15:16 He had some car problems.
09:15:17 And he will catch up to you on behalf of Bright House.
09:15:20 I do have a short story I'm remembering last time we were in
09:15:24 here, and there was a indicate nine.
09:15:28 I was over here.
09:15:29 And the dog wouldn't tab his eyes off me.
09:15:31 Kept barking and barking and Chief Castor said check Steve's
09:15:40 [ Laughter ] congratulations.
09:15:41 >> I'm from flowers in Ybor City, and normally I don't bring
09:15:53 these for you.
09:15:54 I do it for your significant other.
09:16:00 But I will really give these to your wife.
09:16:04 >>STEVE MICHELINI: You dropped this, chief.
09:16:17 I just found it on the floor.
09:16:22 I should have left it there, H huh?
09:16:25 Steve Michelini.
09:16:26 I'm here on behalf of a couple of different folks.
09:16:31 And I think your friend there would like to go to Bern's.
09:16:35 What do you say?
09:16:39 You have to bring the leftovers home.
09:16:45 We are very proud of what you do for the community and we
09:16:48 would like to send you there and provide you with a $100
09:16:51 gift certificate.
09:16:53 Also, does he like Mediterranean food?
09:16:57 >> I'm sure he does.
09:16:59 >> Mediterranean cafe.
09:17:03 Or he can go and on behalf of Bryn Allen now called prestige
09:17:15 portrait, you can include how many people out want in that.
09:17:19 So decide what you want.
09:17:21 And a new sponsor is CHICOS restaurant group and they have a
09:17:27 couple of different restaurants.
09:17:29 You can take breakfast, lunch or dinner at The Lodge, Daily
09:17:33 Eats, Water, or Chi-Chi's.
09:17:41 That's for you.
09:17:41 There are your certificates.
09:17:43 Don't let him chew 'em up.
09:17:46 Dog ate your homework, right?
09:17:48 On behalf of all the sponsors we are very pleased and proud
09:17:51 of what you do. And as the chief always says, there's never
09:17:54 a day off for the officers in the field or home.
09:17:59 They are always on duty and we know that and we appreciate
09:18:02 Thank you.
09:18:02 >> First I would like to thank City Council for recognizing
09:18:17 me on this award.
09:18:22 I would like to thank everybody, my corporal for putting me
09:18:25 in for this, for writing it up, doing such a great job,
09:18:29 looking at everything that I do.
09:18:34 It's just part of being a K-9 handler.
09:18:37 Just because I have a dog doesn't mean I'm not a cop
09:18:40 I'm still a cop, and it shows that I still want to reduce
09:18:44 crime in the City of Tampa.
09:18:46 It needs to go down.
09:18:47 And it has.
09:18:50 I would like to thank my chain of command, my fellow
09:18:53 officers, and my family, and the chief.
09:18:59 [ Laughter ] [ Applause ]
09:19:01 >> Chief Castor: Also in closing, we have all the K-9 dogs
09:19:10 back here and usually they do their a laws, which is a
09:19:14 woof-woof, usually is what they do. But this is the next to
09:19:17 last day for major Sophie.
09:19:23 She is retiring after almost 30 years, has done an
09:19:28 outstanding job not only with the police department but
09:19:30 serving our community in so many ways.
09:19:32 I want to give her accolades and a thank you not only for
09:19:37 what she has done but for being a great friend.
09:19:40 She deserves her retirement.
09:19:41 And I don't know what we are going to do without her.
09:19:44 Sophie, come on up.
09:19:48 >> I'm dressed in short sleeves because I didn't know I
09:19:59 would be in front of you today.
09:20:00 Actually, I put on long sleeves today and I forgot and I had
09:20:07 to change back into short sleeves.
09:20:09 Thank you.
09:20:09 This has been great working with all of you.
09:20:12 It's been great.
09:20:13 I don't know if the citizens of Tampa realize, I have met
09:20:17 each of you, just regular people wanting to improve things
09:20:20 here in the city.
09:20:22 I thank you for your support.
09:20:24 These officers every month, you take time out of your
09:20:27 schedule, which I know you are very busy, to recognize one
09:20:31 of these guys or girls out there busting their butt trying
09:20:34 to make things better.
09:20:36 Thank you.
09:20:36 I am going to miss it.
09:20:37 You all are lucky, I live in the county so I won't be here.
09:20:41 >> The county commission might have a problem.
09:20:43 >> I want to the do some improvements on the county but I
09:20:46 won't be bugging you guys.
09:20:48 Thank you.
09:20:50 [ Applause ]
09:20:57 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Let me say one thing.
09:20:59 Therein must be a cave-in around that speaker podium because
09:21:03 people walk around.
09:21:05 So there's a cave-in or wash-out or pothole or something
09:21:09 >> He's a sweet dog.
09:21:12 Only goes when he tells him to go.
09:21:16 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Well, let's not get him riled up right
09:21:18 Thank you very much all of you.
09:21:20 Major, thank you for all your years of service.
09:21:23 You have been an angel in that uniform as a police officer.
09:21:32 Mrs. Montelione will do the next presentation, commendation
09:21:36 for assistant city attorney Jan McLean.
09:21:48 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Good morning.
09:21:50 Thank you, council.
09:21:51 I would like to introduce -- we all know assistant city
09:21:54 attorney Jan McLean.
09:21:56 But the public maybe not as much as we do.
09:21:59 But I wanted to take this time on behalf of council to thank
09:22:03 the assistant city attorney, because when several of us
09:22:08 attended the recent Florida League of Cities conference in
09:22:11 Orlando, I was excited to see Ms. McLean's name up there on
09:22:17 the screen and find out that she had been once again
09:22:21 recognized as a home rule hero.
09:22:25 Ms. McLean was recognized by the League of Cities for her
09:22:28 efforts, advancing the league's legislative agenda and
09:22:31 protecting the home rule power of Florida cities.
09:22:34 Ms. McLean's efforts have always been above the call of duty
09:22:38 including traveling to Tallahassee during the legislative
09:22:40 session to lobby on behalf of Florida cities.
09:22:43 On this day, August 29th, 2013, the Tampa City Council
09:22:46 is proud to present this commendation recognizing assistant
09:22:50 city attorney Jan McLean for her Florida League of Cities
09:22:54 home rule hero award.
09:22:56 We appreciate her continued efforts to advance the City of
09:22:58 Tampa and the Florida League of Cities.
09:23:02 So, in essence, she's not only representing and protecting
09:23:06 our city, but cities all over the State of Florida.
09:23:10 But don't get any ideas because we don't want to see you --
09:23:15 is that right, city attorney -- we anytime soon.
09:23:23 So thank you for your work and continued appreciation for
09:23:25 everything you do.
09:23:29 [ Applause ]
09:23:31 >> Jan McLean: I do want to say thank you and thank you for
09:23:39 the opportunity and privilege of representing the city on
09:23:42 the issues that you put forth.
09:23:45 And I wanted to thank Julia and city attorney than has given
09:23:50 me that opportunity to represent you.
09:23:52 Thank you.
09:23:52 >>JULIA MANDELL: And it has been an absolute pleasure to
09:24:00 work with Jan over the past eight years and I had the
09:24:02 opportunity to go with her to a couple of committee meetings
09:24:05 at the Florida league of cities and she has just done a
09:24:09 phenomenal job and works hard not only for the city but for
09:24:12 the municipalities and the cause to make sure that we are
09:24:14 continuously represented, and pleased to continue to work
09:24:18 with her and she absolutely deserves this award.
09:24:21 Thank you.
09:24:21 >>MARY MULHERN: Congratulations, Jan.
09:24:25 I just want to say that you are the water legal expert, and
09:24:29 such a great steward of our water in the city, and beyond in
09:24:34 the county and the region.
09:24:35 And thank you for everything you do.
09:24:37 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Jan, having been involved with one of the
09:24:42 issues you dealt with, water and the kind of perseverance
09:24:45 that you showed trying to get some of those issues solved, I
09:24:49 have to tell you, you really are a pretty tough cookie.
09:24:52 We had some really intelligent and well thought out
09:24:59 opponents to some of the things that we were working on and
09:25:02 you were working on.
09:25:03 And I think that your perseverance really showed that we
09:25:08 could come up with a good answer and a compromise and get
09:25:10 some of the things resolved.
09:25:12 I think most people who know you, especially at the League
09:25:15 of Cities, know that you are an effective advocate for water
09:25:19 issues, and we are very appreciative that you are here in
09:25:22 the City of Tampa.
09:25:23 Thank you.
09:25:23 >>HARRY COHEN: Thank you.
09:25:26 You know, Councilwoman Mulhern and Suarez just alluded to it
09:25:32 but I want to the say it directly, you are really a champion
09:25:35 in the environmental protection.
09:25:36 And that is something that the citizens, both with the city
09:25:39 and of our entire state, can really thank you for.
09:25:42 And one of the signature accomplishments of this council, in
09:25:45 my view, was undertaken with your help, and that was the
09:25:50 fertilizer ban that we passed.
09:25:52 And I believe that is something that we can be very proud of
09:25:55 because it's going to make a real difference in the water
09:25:58 quality in this community.
09:25:59 So thank you very much.
09:26:04 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Jan, let me just say this.
09:26:05 Although everything said has been factual, subject matter,
09:26:11 not certainly the League of Cities but I think is regarding
09:26:14 the reclaimed water.
09:26:15 As you well know -- you can get to the mike.
09:26:19 I am not going to bark at you.
09:26:22 Is the item of who owns the rights to reclaimed water.
09:26:25 Through your help, and others we were able to convince the
09:26:30 legislature that, yes, the rivers of the waters and lakes
09:26:35 belong to the state but the belongs to the great cities of
09:26:41 And that being said, I think that somewhere along in the
09:26:44 future, maybe not today, not tomorrow, that this city will
09:26:47 recognize that 40, 50 years from now when you are still a
09:26:51 teenager, that these things that you have worked on are so
09:26:54 beneficial for the stability of the economic situation of
09:26:58 this city, and those who have water, in essence have the job
09:27:03 And what does that mean?
09:27:05 That sooner or later, indirect water will be used, and that
09:27:08 the reclaimed water belongs to those who produce it.
09:27:11 And that's the most important thing you can say, because
09:27:13 without that, you produce it, it belongs to somebody else.
09:27:17 It was your cost.
09:27:18 It was your straightforwardness to do things to clean up
09:27:23 that water that goes into the bay, which is better than 90%
09:27:27 of all the world's drinking water.
09:27:29 And we want to thank you sincerely for spearheading that
09:27:33 drive that recently passed legislature this past session.
09:27:37 Thank you very much.
09:27:39 That being said, I have a memo from Yvonne Yolie Capin.
09:27:44 I will be absent from today's workshop due to family
09:27:49 Need a motion to receive and file.
09:27:50 Motion by Mr. Suarez.
09:27:51 Second by Mr. Cohen.
09:27:52 All in favor?
09:27:54 The ayes have it unanimously.
09:27:56 Item number 3.
09:27:59 Ms. Montelione.
09:28:00 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Thank you, Mr. Chair.
09:28:02 At this time, I would like to ask Jaya Goswami, and Adam
09:28:11 Pearson to come up and give a presentation to council.
09:28:13 The opportunity has come to me to meet and discuss many
09:28:19 items about how our city does business, how we engage our
09:28:23 citizens, and sustainability issues, environmental issues,
09:28:29 that many of us are interested in.
09:28:32 And Jaya has been working with change labs from Stanford
09:28:39 She and Adam are both recent graduates of Stanford.
09:28:43 I know that Jaya has dual masters degrees in civil
09:28:48 engineering and environmental policy, which from Stanford to
09:28:51 take both course work at the same time is quite a feat.
09:28:59 So the opportunity arose to have Jaya come and speak to us
09:29:02 about sustainability which she graciously did awhile back.
09:29:05 And in my effort to engage Jaya here at the city has not
09:29:14 gained as much traction as I would have liked.
09:29:18 How far, my ability to have Jaya work with the metropolitan
09:29:22 planning organization fared much better.
09:29:24 So recently, both Adam, Jaya, and their research partner
09:29:31 back in California embarked on a study of transportation and
09:29:36 transforming the discussion of transportation in
09:29:39 Hillsborough County.
09:29:42 And I believe we saved about 20 or $30,000 because Jaya was
09:29:46 successful in convincing the director of the change labs in
09:29:53 performing this work pro bono, and to get that amount of
09:29:58 work and that stature of work, I am very grateful, and you
09:30:02 can deliver that message back to Vani in California for me.
09:30:07 So with that, I would like to turn it over to Jaya and to
09:30:11 Adam to make their presentation.
09:30:15 And you can put the overheads that we have handouts for, you
09:30:18 can put them on the -- if you would like, use the Elmo, the
09:30:23 >> Jaya: Which overhead?
09:30:35 We are technologically able, I promise.
09:31:11 Thank you, members of the council, for giving us this
09:31:14 opportunity to present the change labs, and what it is we
09:31:20 I sort of want to introduce by letting you know that I am
09:31:23 currently a Tampa resident.
09:31:26 I consider myself -- I consider myself a bull gator.
09:31:30 I went to the University of Florida for undergraduate, and
09:31:33 both my husband and father work at USF.
09:31:36 So very strong ties to the region, and I think that's why
09:31:40 I'm here to really present to you, is because I really feel
09:31:44 like there is a great potential within Tampa, and I would
09:31:50 like to be a part of that chain.
09:31:52 And I think that we have some interesting ideas for you to
09:31:56 see that through.
09:31:57 A little bit about Stanford change lab.
09:32:00 We are a group dedicated to initiating large-scale
09:32:05 And we do that by applying a new innovation methodology, a
09:32:10 new process.
09:32:10 So as Lisa mentioned, a few months ago we had a graduate
09:32:16 course that we offered at Stanford where we go through this
09:32:20 methodology, and we engage students on different project
09:32:24 teams, and one of the projects we brought forward was with
09:32:27 the MPO and talking about transit and came up with
09:32:34 completely a new approach that would have built
09:32:39 relationships and built partnerships to move us forward on
09:32:42 this issue.
09:32:43 And so Adam was part of that team.
09:32:45 And I think will have come up with some amazing ideas that
09:32:49 we would like to present to you today.
09:32:51 But I wanted to take a step back and talk to you about
09:32:54 something that you might find interesting, a project that we
09:32:57 have been working on within city government in Silicon
09:33:02 It's the city governments and private sector tech companies.
09:33:09 So we will skip forward and show you.
09:33:14 So here is a list of some of the companies that were engaged
09:33:20 in this platform.
09:33:22 You can see it was raining from Google to HP to Microsoft,
09:33:26 i.e., Cisco.
09:33:30 The list goes on.
09:33:31 And we were approached basically by this partnership called
09:33:34 silly von valley partnership where city governments and tech
09:33:37 companies like I said came together, but they wanted to
09:33:40 solve city problems.
09:33:41 And they wanted to do it in a way that could co-create
09:33:45 So use the power of the private sector.
09:33:50 Use all of the talents in the private sector to solve
09:33:52 problems at the city level, and also bring the insight, the
09:33:58 knowledge of public sector problems that city officials
09:34:01 bring, that agency officials bring, and have them work
09:34:05 And so what we did was we led a series of workshops.
09:34:10 We called them innovation workshops.
09:34:12 We used the team process which is basically taking people
09:34:15 from a challenge or problem do, or what we call design in
09:34:24 So what happened at this workshop was we had members -- we
09:34:28 had the mayor of San Jose, mayor chuck reed, we had the
09:34:33 mayor of Santa Claire, we had Fremont represented -- these
09:34:38 are all cities there -- and we had all these tech companies
09:34:41 and it would break up into teams and try to solve public
09:34:44 sector problems together.
09:34:46 And we actually had strategies by the end of this series of
09:34:49 workshops of it how would everybody engage and what would
09:34:57 they solve?
09:34:58 So whether it was increasing engagement on public sector
09:35:02 platforms, or if it was solving traffic conditions, that was
09:35:07 something that is correct we did. So that was something we
09:35:09 did in Silicon Valley.
09:35:11 And I think while that may be interesting, Adam can really
09:35:14 present to you what we did here with the MPO and what some
09:35:18 of the projects and some of the concepts that they came up
09:35:26 >> Adam Pearson: Thank you, Jaya.
09:35:29 So we had a slide back there that we didn't cover head on,
09:35:35 but we always start with the power of reflection.
09:35:37 We think about looking at the problems more abstractly.
09:35:41 Instead of diving into solutions, we spend this time in the
09:35:44 first part of the design on understanding the system.
09:35:47 So this really begins the process, begins our transformation
09:35:53 model, and our methodology, and in doing that, we spend a
09:35:56 lot of time talking to people, just regular people, not just
09:35:59 doing hard core research but we go out and talk to regular
09:36:02 people from Tampa, and regular people from Hillsborough
09:36:05 We try to understand what their needs are.
09:36:07 And not just why they voted yes or no on the referendum but
09:36:11 maybe a little more about what they value, and what they
09:36:13 think, and how they live their lives.
09:36:15 So this really played a role in helping us understand some
09:36:21 common goals for the region.
09:36:25 We hear a lot about economic development being tied to
09:36:29 But what we don't hear is why people want economic
09:36:33 It's really kind of a deep question to ask, but why do we
09:36:36 want that? Because we want to be proud of Tampa.
09:36:38 We want to be proud of this metropolitan area.
09:36:40 We want this to become a world class city.
09:36:43 And so for us, when we were working on this project, it was
09:36:46 very useful to kind of reach that level of depth of people.
09:36:50 And discover that there's this common goal, if you will, of
09:36:56 culture in addition to mobility and economic development.
09:36:59 There's got to be a reason, there's got to be some
09:37:04 engagement with the local city.
09:37:08 And so there's been a lot of great work done.
09:37:11 Done here in Tampa already, and we think this is just a
09:37:13 great way of visualizing how Tampa becomes a robust city,
09:37:18 not just thinking about a light rail system, for example,
09:37:21 but thinking about this is a vision that we have together.
09:37:24 This is a useful tool for us really out of the process.
09:37:29 In talking to all of these average Tampa folks, I was having
09:37:33 a conversation with this woman named Brandi, a single
09:37:36 mother, and she has two kids, and she told me she doesn't
09:37:39 like to ride the bus, and she doesn't go grocery shopping
09:37:42 where she would, but the problem is she doesn't know when
09:37:47 she has to pick up something and pick up her kid at any
09:37:50 given moment so it really illuminates something to us, these
09:37:54 something that may seem die meat metrically opposed to own a
09:37:59 car, to be a participant, or to ride mass transit, and that
09:38:03 weep thought about this a little further and we thought that
09:38:05 maybe this isn't diametrically opposite after all.
09:38:10 Maybe it's the map system can be looked at in different
09:38:17 ways, maybe amplify and change the way we build our buses,
09:38:20 and we build our mass systems and make them really personal
09:38:24 and make them super efficient and make them get to people
09:38:28 when people need them.
09:38:29 So this is a very abstract process.
09:38:31 This is what we call framework and this is one of our tools
09:38:35 that helps with solutions, for example.
09:38:39 Moving from an abstraction, moving from the beginning of the
09:38:42 design to envision the solution space.
09:38:47 I am going to give you a specific example of one of the
09:38:55 Just again building off of insight, building off of talking
09:38:59 to people.
09:39:00 One of the key things we heard was people really have a
09:39:03 strong connection to sport.
09:39:05 And it's an emotional connection.
09:39:07 Tampa Bay has the love of the lightning, the Rays and the
09:39:10 Bucs, and it's wonderful.
09:39:11 And it's manifested because you can imagine that people
09:39:15 don't wear T-shirts of their airport, but they wear T-shirts
09:39:21 of the Tampa Bay Bucs or Jess jerseys.
09:39:26 This is something that people think about all the time,
09:39:29 behavior or sports.
09:39:30 So we recognize this.
09:39:32 And we were thinking about how might we achieve this vision
09:39:34 of culture, of economic growth, of mobility?
09:39:37 How do we achieve this using sports as like a weaver?
09:39:44 So we introduced this skipper card.
09:39:47 And we talked with Commissioner Sharpe in the county.
09:39:50 We talked to even some people in the private space already.
09:39:57 The Tampa Bay Lightning are very interested, but eventually
09:40:02 the plan here is that we are moving transit or mobility in
09:40:07 between citizens and their sports team.
09:40:11 And we are also seeking businesses and cultural entities as
09:40:17 So there's a platform that we are proposing would be similar
09:40:21 to what TBARTA is trying to do, trying to get all of the
09:40:25 regional transit authorities together, and have one card
09:40:29 that you can swipe on any kind of system in the area.
09:40:33 This card would not only be tied to the transit authorities
09:40:36 and the transit lines, but it would also be tied to the
09:40:40 local lightning, so whenever you go to one of these
09:40:47 participating entities you would get points, get frequent
09:40:50 flyer points for Tampa super card or the Tampa region, you
09:40:54 get frequent flyer points, and these can be applied to
09:40:58 getting those lightning tickets.
09:41:00 So what we are doing here is we are using this really strong
09:41:03 emotional connection as a carrot.
09:41:07 And in the process we are creating a positive feedback.
09:41:10 We are creating -- we are making this really fun for people.
09:41:17 It's going to be on their phones.
09:41:20 They are going to be able to see in realtime where they are
09:41:22 in terms of reaching their goal and they are going to be
09:41:24 supporting the local economy, local businesses, handing
09:41:28 out -- boosting the local cultural experience.
09:41:31 And we found that this works.
09:41:33 We have touted this in California as well and behaviors
09:41:37 So we are very excited about this.
09:41:39 This is one concept, and we think it can have a real
09:41:42 significant impact in terms of generating interest in
09:41:46 Also furthering interest in this three-pronged approach that
09:41:53 we mentioned as well.
09:41:54 And in doing all of this, creating a change of mind-set.
09:42:00 Not only will getting around town or mobility be about
09:42:03 getting from point A to point B, but it's going to be about
09:42:06 exploring the world in between.
09:42:07 And it's going to be building that world as well.
09:42:11 So this that I presented to you, it's just a concept.
09:42:14 This is the kind of things that we can come up with, with
09:42:17 our transformation process, and Jaya is going to get into
09:42:23 what this means for the City of Tampa.
09:42:33 Jaya: I wanted to conclude what we are talking about here
09:42:36 withstand Ford university and how we see ourselves engaging
09:42:40 in this community.
09:42:43 We see the concepts that came out of the class as promising.
09:42:46 Of course, they are concepts.
09:42:51 They are ideas of how to move people into transit, how to
09:42:56 bring all of these stakeholders together, to a mutually
09:42:59 beneficial platform.
09:43:00 And so this is just one way, a nudge in the direction that
09:43:03 we are all looking to improve.
09:43:06 This is not -- we are not pro any form of technology.
09:43:11 We see that maybe there might be a type of technology that
09:43:19 appeals to people.
09:43:20 But this is not about that.
09:43:22 This is really about applying a process so that we can
09:43:25 co-create together like we did in Silicon Valley, like we
09:43:29 have done with other partners, the New Zealand government,
09:43:30 like the Rockefeller Foundation and Gates Foundation and
09:43:37 many more.
09:43:39 We want to start something like this in Tampa.
09:43:42 University of South Florida, sustainability, wants to work
09:43:44 on this with us.
09:43:45 They are willing to support us.
09:43:46 They have domain experts.
09:43:48 We think that together we can build a really strong future,
09:43:52 using the combined powers of both communities.
09:43:54 We think that Silicon Valley is a great innovation now, but
09:44:00 we see Tampa as a hub for innovation.
09:44:02 And we think it was that shared vision that when we talked
09:44:06 to USF, we saw ourselves aligned very well, and we see a
09:44:10 future here.
09:44:11 What are we asking from you?
09:44:13 We want to the co-create on this process and go through the
09:44:16 innovation transformation process with the city, with the
09:44:20 county, with private and public sectors, and in Tampa Bay,
09:44:24 but we need your support.
09:44:26 We want to see the project through.
09:44:29 This slide here, if we can get it on the screen, okay,
09:44:38 So this just gives you an idea of how we see ourselves
09:44:42 moving forward.
09:44:43 We have done an eight-week deep dive where we explored with
09:44:49 We think that we could co-create this process with city
09:44:52 officials, with government leaders, with private entities,
09:44:56 and either explore the concepts that we have come up with
09:45:00 already -- and again, this is the tip of the iceberg of
09:45:03 concepts that we have developed.
09:45:04 But then also co-create and see how we could craft a vision
09:45:09 around transit that brings everybody together.
09:45:11 So that's where we are at.
09:45:13 We are seeking your support.
09:45:15 We are looking forward to your support.
09:45:17 And we hope to continue this discussion.
09:45:18 >>HARRY COHEN: Questions or comments from council members?
09:45:23 Councilman Suarez.
09:45:23 >>MIKE SUAREZ: A couple of questions.
09:45:26 Thank you for the presentation.
09:45:30 A lot of good ideas in here.
09:45:32 I know they are concepts but what would the pilot that you
09:45:34 all did in California, Silicon Valley?
09:45:38 Was it specific to transit or was it some other issue?
09:45:42 >> So the pilot there was, you know, the city of San Jose
09:45:46 has thought that they wanted to create a platform called
09:45:49 Silicon Valley partnership, a platform that are would
09:45:53 engage, like I said, city government and private sector
09:45:57 So basically coming and saying, we have a number of issues,
09:46:01 and we think that we are not leveraging the power of our
09:46:04 community as well as we could, because of we have volunteer
09:46:08 positions for maybe cleaning up the community.
09:46:11 But that doesn't appeal to a generation and programs --
09:46:18 >> So it wasn't to transit --
09:46:24 >> What we did in the workshop, we had teams of people break
09:46:27 out and take an issue that they wanted to work on after they
09:46:31 talked to each other, okay, these are city problems.
09:46:33 So one of the teams talked about transit.
09:46:37 One of the teams -- actually two of the teams talked about
09:46:40 city engagement and how do we get people engaged.
09:46:42 So, yeah, it was very diverse.
09:46:44 >> It was more wide ranging and not specific towards transit
09:46:48 per se?
09:46:49 >> Exactly, yes.
09:46:51 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I was just curious.
09:46:53 Because San Jose is part of that system, I wasn't sure how
09:46:57 that, would.
09:46:58 The second question I have, have the change labs ever done
09:47:01 any projects in the southeast all?
09:47:06 I mean, I know the name change lab.
09:47:10 I know what they have done in the past.
09:47:12 I have read up on it.
09:47:13 But have they done any projects in the south before?
09:47:15 >> No.
09:47:16 And, in fact, this is really coming here because I was part
09:47:20 of change lab at Stanford, came back to Tampa.
09:47:24 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I think that there is an entity called
09:47:28 change lab.
09:47:33 >> There may be some kind of branding going on here.
09:47:37 But this is the first project in the south that we would be
09:47:43 And then I also wanted to mention.
09:47:44 You were asking about what kind of topical issues in our
09:47:50 domain that we covered in Silicon Valley.
09:47:53 And to give you an example of some of the other work we are
09:47:57 doing, we work with energy efficiency, and in Germany a
09:48:00 fishery with Rockefeller.
09:48:03 So we are developing world challenges with gates.
09:48:07 So this methodology can be applied to a huge range of
09:48:10 potential large-scale issues.
09:48:13 But we have been documenting transit here and we see a huge
09:48:19 Tampa Bay is kind of -- much the I-4 corridor, huge impact
09:48:28 potential for us.
09:48:30 So that's why it's exciting.
09:48:32 >>MIKE SUAREZ: As part of the methodology that you use, I
09:48:34 mean, there's a few things that I thought of when I was
09:48:37 looking at this, and weather and the type of culture, race.
09:48:46 How much of that rolls into the methodology that you use,
09:48:52 you know?
09:48:52 Because when you talk about conceptual parameters, or
09:48:56 paradigms, you know, you are looking at something that is
09:49:00 devoid of those things that may make people react in certain
09:49:06 ways, you know.
09:49:07 It may be a little different at Silicon Valley than it is
09:49:12 here, and part of the reasons for transit, especially, is
09:49:15 there is a weather component to it, there is a racial
09:49:18 component to it, there is a cultural component to it that
09:49:23 has to be looked at, because, you know, you probably know
09:49:27 the old story about Ford and trying to produce a car in the
09:49:31 70s down in South America, and they had this wonderful car
09:49:35 that was created specifically for that market, and it was
09:49:39 cheap, it was fuel efficient, everything else, except for
09:49:41 one thing, the name of the car was NOVA, whip means one
09:49:47 thing in English and means "doesn't go" in Spanish.
09:49:51 So they made that mistake.
09:49:53 My point is those aspects of everything that makes up Tampa
09:49:57 and Tampa Bay is significantly different.
09:50:01 The only thing we share as the Silicon Valley area, there's
09:50:08 a big bay nearby.
09:50:09 And weather and other things are completely different.
09:50:14 And one of the reasons that hi ask is that I'm on Hart board
09:50:19 and one of the things we talk about is the difference
09:50:21 between riders that heir choice riders versus people that
09:50:27 need to ride mass transit.
09:50:29 There is a distinct cultural difference in what people --
09:50:34 and I'm a third generation Tampanian -- what we think about
09:50:38 the buses as southerners versus what people think about
09:50:41 buses up north or out west, and that is a huge cultural
09:50:47 hurdle that we need to talk about.
09:50:49 That's why I wanted to ask about, and tell me, what is part
09:50:53 of that when you look at it, all those other things?
09:50:57 >> Jaya: I'm so glad you asked that question, because
09:51:00 that's really what's so fascinating about this change lab
09:51:03 And the reason that, you know, Silicon Valley would each be
09:51:10 thinking about the projects where the mind sets are
09:51:13 completely different.
09:51:14 So one of the biggest pieces of this process is
09:51:18 understanding mind sets and cultural norms and really
09:51:24 designing appropriate technology, appropriate intervention.
09:51:27 And so developing world projects where often you see
09:51:34 companies go into these countries where, you know, my
09:51:38 familiar reply is originally from India, and I grew up sort
09:51:43 of understanding -- you would see intervention happen there
09:51:48 that wouldn't align.
09:51:49 You know, people would get these technologies and then they
09:51:52 would throw them away.
09:51:53 So maybe that was product specific.
09:51:55 But what change labs did, and what is happening is really
09:52:00 deeply understanding cultural norms, we think that we can
09:52:03 get at a better solution.
09:52:05 And that's why we think that this process really was, and
09:52:10 you mention Hart.
09:52:11 And I want to mention that we think that these types of
09:52:14 innovations are in parallel with the work happening at these
09:52:21 So we really want to just come as an ally of this process.
09:52:25 One of the things I didn't mention was that, you know, we
09:52:28 are very much about not having to have other agencies speak
09:52:33 out again and again and again.
09:52:35 So we don't -- I mean, we are an academic institute.
09:52:42 We like to have people take what we do and then not need us
09:52:46 So that's just another piece.
09:52:48 >>MIKE SUAREZ: One last question.
09:52:50 In terms of some of the innovations we are talking about,
09:52:53 the skipper card, which I think is a great idea, some of the
09:53:02 legal problems associated with that, because, as an example,
09:53:07 we, as a Hart board, cannot provide service specific to --
09:53:13 it has to be public and it has to be open to everyone.
09:53:16 That's per federal laws.
09:53:17 And we are limited built type of services that we provide
09:53:22 because of that.
09:53:22 There's lots of different touchstones that we have to be
09:53:26 aware of before we can do any of this other stuff.
09:53:28 So I know that this again is just conceptual.
09:53:33 And I am not trying to say, well, I know that is correct we
09:53:35 can't do any of this stuff.
09:53:36 But that's, I assume, an important part of how change lab
09:53:40 goes into it.
09:53:41 The second part of it is that you did a Nace presentation,
09:53:45 and a fairly good close except for one thing.
09:53:48 You didn't specifically site what you want from us, and we
09:53:51 would like to have that.
09:53:53 Tell us exactly Wan you need so that we can know how we can
09:53:56 help you out.
09:53:57 So if you can answer that.
09:53:58 >> Yes, absolutely.
09:54:00 And I would love to answer the second one, too.
09:54:04 The first one, I think you are absolutely right, that
09:54:08 there's some legal challenges.
09:54:14 You mentioned all sorts of hoops of that we would have to
09:54:16 jump through.
09:54:17 We have an idea of introducing different kind of for-profit
09:54:21 entity that the operator, and this kind of skipper system,
09:54:26 and coordinator and different parties.
09:54:30 And that was our initial idea around it.
09:54:33 But going back to what you were saying, the first question
09:54:36 of Jaya, you are absolutely right about the challenges that
09:54:39 are local, the fact that it's 100 degrees out here every
09:54:44 day, in Silicon Valley, 75º at this time of the year.
09:54:48 That's why people don't want to wait at the bus stop.
09:54:51 We heard that over and over again.
09:54:52 Some people would consider taking it if they had to sweat
09:54:56 and so on.
09:54:57 So these kind of insights are powerful, and we diabetes
09:55:01 consider them in our process, but that's why we need to come
09:55:05 in and work with you, because we had this kind of bank of
09:55:09 There's only so far we can get like developing these skipper
09:55:12 concepts remotely.
09:55:13 I just want to emphasize the co-creation aspect.
09:55:17 We do consider these things.
09:55:18 But then it's only as good as it can be.
09:55:22 From 3,000 miles away.
09:55:24 >> Jaya: In seeing what we are asking from you, and Adam,
09:55:34 feel free to add to this, but we want to develop these
09:55:36 concepts, or new concepts together.
09:55:39 And so what we are proposing is doing a deep dive, and
09:55:42 working with the community.
09:55:44 Of course, that's going to take a number of supporters, not
09:55:49 just verbal supporters, but financial supporters, so that we
09:55:53 can go and make this a possibility.
09:55:56 So, you know, I don't know in what capacity you guys can
09:56:02 support us, but that's really where we are at, is that we
09:56:05 really want to see these concepts through.
09:56:07 We need that kind of support.
09:56:12 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Ms. Montelione?
09:56:13 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Thank you, Mr. Chair.
09:56:15 We have already gotten a down payment in the form of
09:56:19 stanford's contribution that I mention board of director 20
09:56:23 to $30,000 that Stanford already put a number of dollars
09:56:27 behind the funding initially.
09:56:29 So the ability of others to at least match Stanford's
09:56:36 contribution would be fabulous.
09:56:39 As they mentioned, we have been out talking to many
09:56:43 different stakeholders in this system, in this process, and
09:56:50 the amount of support, verbal commitment that they have been
09:56:55 able to get from very high level individuals at key spaces
09:57:02 within this community in a week or less is phenomenal.
09:57:10 I mean, I can't say enough about the outstanding work of
09:57:13 these two young people who have been able to communicate
09:57:19 this process, and what we will be left with, and what we
09:57:24 like to say is that when they are done, we are not just left
09:57:29 with what we learned about the particular issue that they
09:57:33 were examining, and in this case we are talking about
09:57:35 transit, and the ties to economic development, and job
09:57:39 creation, and all of those issues.
09:57:42 But we left with the process that we can use time and time
09:57:47 again, and that's one of the things that really got me
09:57:49 excited about Stanford when I first started talking with
09:57:54 Jaya over a year ago, as that they want to take their
09:57:59 process and hand it over to the community, so we can apply
09:58:03 that process across the many different issues that face our
09:58:08 city and our region.
09:58:09 And we all talk about, you know, being a regional player,
09:58:13 and the only way that we can stand on the same footing with
09:58:18 Atlanta as an economic center of the south is if we come
09:58:24 together regionally, if we act as one voice in the Tampa Bay
09:58:30 area and bring together the gateway area of St. Petersburg
09:58:35 and bring together the Westshore area of the City of Tampa.
09:58:39 We are the second largest regional employment center in the
09:58:43 Second only to Atlanta.
09:58:45 So we talk about comparisons to Charlotte or Raleigh-Durham,
09:58:51 but really we should be on footing with much larger cities.
09:58:55 I mean, dare I even say New York or Chicago or Los Angeles
09:58:58 or Silicon Valley area.
09:59:00 So we have the opportunity to be really step onto that
09:59:04 national stage.
09:59:05 We hear from our economic development folks when they come
09:59:09 to us seeking support for support industry tax credits, that
09:59:14 the companies that are looking to locate here are looking
09:59:16 at -- they are looking at London.
09:59:18 They are looking at Brazil.
09:59:21 They are looking at, you know, countries around the world.
09:59:24 They could be located in Maccow.
09:59:29 It doesn't matter anymore with technology where you are
09:59:32 physically located.
09:59:33 So if we are going to step onto that type of stage we have
09:59:35 to do it from a much larger base.
09:59:38 And I think it this process is just the first step in
09:59:40 bringing us there.
09:59:41 So one of the statements that was made, that you brought up,
09:59:47 Mr. Suarez, is very important to me, and that was the two
09:59:54 things that they worked on in Silicon Valley partnership
09:59:59 which brought me to this regional type of process that you
10:00:05 have got, San Jose, all coming together, saying, hey, we can
10:00:10 make more using of our partners if we leverage our strength
10:00:13 And bringing together these companies like Google and CISCO
10:00:18 and Pricewaterhouse and eBay and bringing those corporate
10:00:23 giants in but having them stand along mayors, city leaders,
10:00:27 City Council, the extraordinary citizens who want to engage
10:00:31 are ordinary people but they are extraordinarily in
10:00:35 engagement because it takes a lot for people to come out,
10:00:38 take time out of their busy lives and schedules to come and
10:00:41 engage with us.
10:00:42 They have got other things to do.
10:00:44 But it's the strength of our citizens who want that
10:00:47 We saw people cry out for that when we attended the
10:00:50 transportation with economic leadership meeting that was
10:00:53 held at county center.
10:00:54 We saw over 100 people show up to tell us that they want to
10:00:58 see transformative changes in the area, and they took time
10:01:02 out in the evening, the three hours, to tell us how
10:01:06 important that was to them.
10:01:08 So the city engagement piece is something that I really am
10:01:14 very interested in, and it's what we are left with after --
10:01:20 because we'll get through this transit.
10:01:23 I'm sure we'll get through it one way or the other, and
10:01:26 having you work on this is going to help us get there.
10:01:31 But it's the process that we are left with that really
10:01:35 excites me.
10:01:36 Because I don't know about the rest of us, but I am
10:01:39 contacted all the time, and it's something I am going to
10:01:42 bring up in our next workshop today about our rules of
10:01:47 But I'm contacted all the time about how can we engage our
10:01:52 citizens better when we have a full 9:00 a.m. agenda and
10:01:57 they can't be here to talk to us about it?
10:01:59 So can you elaborate?
10:02:02 >> Yes, that's actually very interesting that you brought
10:02:06 that up.
10:02:06 One of the teams that was working at the workshop in San
10:02:12 Jose was actually focused on the engagement piece alone, and
10:02:18 they went through this, you know, process, and decided that
10:02:21 they wanted to do City Council meetings and it's really a
10:02:31 giant leap from where they were at to where they came to,
10:02:35 and they said that because they realize -- and Tampa mayor
10:02:41 on that same platform was thinking of these ideas, but they
10:02:45 saw the ways that they are currently engaging are not
10:02:48 targeting their audience in that strategic of a way.
10:02:53 So that aside, I think that was four hours of a workshop.
10:02:58 You really just think, just scratch the surface at that
10:03:02 We think of course the deep dive Get you into it.
10:03:04 And you can see the slide that we have up.
10:03:08 We really do believe in not just co-creating within
10:03:11 government, but using the power of our citizens and of Tampa
10:03:16 to co-create.
10:03:17 And I think that if you have the right process -- society
10:03:21 another one of the insights that came out of the workshop is
10:03:25 that it worked well because we had a process.
10:03:27 And had we not had the process, we would have just --
10:03:37 talking about user means instead of agendas as we came in.
10:03:41 And the minute people became citizens and started talking to
10:03:44 each other and they weren't the Google executive, they
10:03:48 aren't even the mayor of the city but they were the citizens
10:03:50 of the city, their whole approach to the problem
10:03:53 transformed, and I think than is one of the really big
10:03:57 insights into the process.
10:03:58 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Can you talk about co-creation?
10:04:05 Because we have all been to workshops where you have a pad
10:04:08 of Sticky Notes and put it on a board or you sit around a
10:04:13 table and share ideas.
10:04:14 But I think co-creation means different things to different
10:04:20 >> Well, you know, co-creation, in our mind, is not just
10:04:26 engaging in these workshops, but using again, like I said,
10:04:29 the process.
10:04:31 So rather than, you know, just random -- which can be great
10:04:37 because you get people into a generative mode.
10:04:42 We real focus on the power of questions.
10:04:44 And there are questions and there are questions and there
10:04:46 are questions.
10:04:47 The more you ask, the more you find.
10:04:49 So the way we channel co-creation is first by asking
10:04:54 everybody asking questions, getting at the root cause, and
10:04:58 that's how we align people on this co-creative platform.
10:05:02 You have people form these teams.
10:05:04 As they are doing it, they are actually asking deeper
10:05:06 questions, and those questions are leading to even deeper
10:05:11 Insights that we all have.
10:05:13 They are sitting around in our heads.
10:05:15 But until you are sort of forced to ask that question, you
10:05:19 may not be the unique approach you would have thought of
10:05:24 So this isn't about saying that people here haven't thought
10:05:28 about these issues.
10:05:29 I think it's about the way that we are thinking about these
10:05:32 And that's why, you know, change labs, and design school,
10:05:37 which is basically a meeting ground for people from
10:05:39 engineering, business schools, from the psychology schools,
10:05:44 from every Avenue at Stanford, why this hub has become an
10:05:48 innovation hub, because it's allowed all of these different
10:05:53 schools of thought to come together, and ask better
10:06:00 Adam: I'll just add kind of a tangible game or technique
10:06:04 that is correct we use to make it more -- to connect more to
10:06:10 Instead of coming up in a brainstorm and maybe it's common
10:06:15 in this world that are we live in to say, okay, your idea is
10:06:20 good, but I don't think it's going to work, or it's good but
10:06:24 here are our restrictions.
10:06:26 What we do is we say, yes and ...
10:06:32 So Jay and I did this before last week, we brainstormed, and
10:06:37 created stories, and guided our brainstorming, but you build
10:06:40 off one another.
10:06:41 And in my having to accept something and putting yourself on
10:06:44 the line, taking this kind of chance, putting yourself in
10:06:47 the mode where you can fail, but it's okay to be fail.
10:06:51 This is the kind of space we are looking for.
10:06:53 This is the kind of space where creativity can be for people
10:06:58 like me who are engineers who are not creative at all, this
10:07:01 is whereby we aim.
10:07:03 We aim for the space of openness, of deep understanding of
10:07:06 each other, and only in this space can you develop the kind
10:07:11 of creative groundbreaking and game changing solutions that
10:07:18 we are discussing here.
10:07:20 So that's co-creation.
10:07:21 And we need space to develop that co-creation.
10:07:26 >> And just to add to that, one last bit is that, you know,
10:07:33 often what happens in the early stages of innovation is when
10:07:37 you keep saying "yes but" you limit yourself.
10:07:41 This is not about saying we are not very analytical.
10:07:45 I mean, there is a time period where being very critical and
10:07:51 Not just the first phase of the project.
10:07:53 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Thank you.
10:07:55 And that's something that we all need to work oh on, I
10:07:58 think, the road blocks.
10:08:00 You know, we all face them.
10:08:02 Each one of us and things that we have championed before.
10:08:06 When you talk to people, they say, well, either it's never
10:08:11 been done that way before, or, you know, we have got these
10:08:14 regulations, or we have got these commitments, and to take
10:08:20 us out of that mind-set and say "yes and" and replace that
10:08:31 with "but" because the "but" is always on the negative side,
10:08:39 that we can't do than but we can do that, and it always up
10:08:44 to a more collaborative process.
10:08:46 Thank you very much for your time.
10:08:48 And I am going to continue to champion to help make this
10:08:53 process with change labs happen, and work on partnering with
10:08:59 the University of South Florida, which Stanford university
10:09:02 and the rest of the stakeholders here.
10:09:05 Thank you.
10:09:07 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you all very much.
10:09:08 We now go to item number 4, city review regarding the
10:09:11 cameras we have had in place for a year or so.
10:09:18 >> It's my pleasure to be here on behalf of the Tampa Police
10:09:20 Department and Chief Castor to do this review.
10:09:24 I believe as you recall last year, the stage was set to
10:09:27 basically go over what progress a year later the cameras
10:09:31 have --
10:09:34 >> Your name?
10:09:34 >> Captain Mike Balmeister, Tampa Police Department.
10:09:40 Everybody has a copy of this.
10:09:41 If not I can provide one for you.
10:09:49 If there are some specific questions to come back a year
10:09:52 later, I am going to go over some of the questions and give
10:09:54 you answers on what we have done.
10:09:57 One of the questions is review how the program has worked in
10:10:03 a year.
10:10:04 In here, we have some statistics to show some crime
10:10:08 reductions that happened in the downtown area but we also
10:10:10 have some stories of some successes that the cameras have
10:10:17 provided for us.
10:10:17 I am going to go over some of the highlights of them.
10:10:20 I am not going to go over all of them because we'll be here
10:10:23 for a while.
10:10:24 But as you recall last year, November 2012, we had a sexual
10:10:28 battery suspect in one of the parking garages downtown.
10:10:31 And because of those cameras we were able to quickly
10:10:33 apprehend him.
10:10:34 We were able to follow the individual all the way to the
10:10:37 He changed his clothes.
10:10:38 We were able to get officers in there pretty quick.
10:10:40 He wasn't successful, thank goodness, and we were able to
10:10:45 apprehend him F.those cameras weren't in place we probably
10:10:48 would not have identified him as quickly and the likelihood
10:10:52 he would have continued his math until he was successful.
10:10:55 That was a good win for us utilizing the cameras.
10:10:58 We have also shared these cameras with our neighboring
10:11:02 St. Pete police department contacted us last year for the
10:11:05 Grand Prix, St. Pete Grand Prix.
10:11:08 We were able to send all our trailers over and they were
10:11:11 able to use that for their large event, and it proved to be
10:11:15 very successful for them.
10:11:16 They were able to see what was going on and monitor the
10:11:18 blind spots so they know all the people out there were safe.
10:11:23 Boca Raton asked us to share our cameras with them, also, so
10:11:29 we deployed our trailers over there to a political event
10:11:32 last year and they were very thankful for doing that.
10:11:36 In Ybor City, there was a homicide suspect that arrived, and
10:11:41 we knew was coming, we were able to monitor with cameras and
10:11:44 watch him come and then able to apprehend him real quick and
10:11:48 put him in custody.
10:11:49 That was another success we had.
10:11:52 And some of the other things we have done, some of our
10:11:55 cameras that we are able to move around and put big banners
10:11:58 on them, put on blue lights, made them very overt.
10:12:03 We put them in parking lots of shopping.
10:12:07 We let everybody know that Tampa Police Department is here,
10:12:10 we are watching.
10:12:10 You go in there and steal, we are going to be able to
10:12:13 apprehend you fairly quickly.
10:12:15 So in those parking lots we have noticed a reduction so just
10:12:22 that has helped us in reducing other criminal activity.
10:12:27 We used them all through the summer initiatives, and in the
10:12:30 parks, to make sure the kids were safe, that there was no
10:12:35 problems in the park, and gangs might be gathering, and we
10:12:39 were able to deploy quickly.
10:12:42 These are just some examples of some of the things we have
10:12:44 done with them.
10:12:45 And it really assisted us in doing our job.
10:12:50 The other thing is the procedures that we employ.
10:12:55 We draft add standard operating procedure and we did some
10:12:57 research on it.
10:12:58 We didn't just come up with this H.we looked at other areas
10:13:01 and looked at the procedures that they use.
10:13:02 We took that all in.
10:13:04 We did some looking at some legal aspects, case law, and
10:13:07 seeing how privacy and all that was determined it through
10:13:12 the court justice system, and one big case that we stated in
10:13:16 our policy is Katz versus United States about fourth
10:13:23 amendment privacy and privacy and all.
10:13:27 That we put in strict retention guidelines.
10:13:30 The video is stored for 30 days and dropped off unless
10:13:34 something happens F.something happens then we can retain it
10:13:36 for 120 days before it becomes evidence.
10:13:38 And then we put it into evidence.
10:13:40 After that, the video will then be recycled.
10:13:44 Everybody that uses the system has their own user name and
10:13:47 has to have their own log-in.
10:13:49 We don't let anybody share this.
10:13:51 We can audit what people are doing with the cameras.
10:13:53 And we are restrict on who we give access to the cameras.
10:13:57 They have to have reason to have it.
10:13:58 If there's no reason, then they don't get it.
10:14:00 If there's a reason, then they have to specify what they are
10:14:03 looking for and we give them access to only part of the
10:14:16 We also went over how to get access, go through the city
10:14:19 legal department and do a public records request.
10:14:23 Some traffic accidents that happened in the downtown area,
10:14:26 the cameras will catch it.
10:14:28 It's very helpful in determining what occurred and then when
10:14:31 it becomes a civil issue, somebody can come in and request
10:14:33 video for their case.
10:14:35 So we do provide that.
10:14:40 Like I said, the other review of the program single-family I
10:14:45 stated some crime statistics in the packet.
10:14:47 We have a 23% reduction of crime in the downtown area.
10:14:51 I am not going to say it was all because of the cameras.
10:14:54 We didn't focus on that study.
10:14:55 But just in that area, I believe that the cameras had part
10:14:59 of the impact was police work, putting them in the right
10:15:02 places, and just the whole mission of the Tampa Police
10:15:04 Department to reduce crime.
10:15:06 They were just another tool that we use in our tool box to
10:15:08 help with that.
10:15:09 And the statistics show that in that area, since last year,
10:15:12 23% less crime happened when the cameras are up.
10:15:18 And in there it pretty much discusses everything asked of
10:15:23 If you have any more questions, we will be glad to answer
10:15:26 them for you.
10:15:27 >>MARY MULHERN: Thanks for giving us your report, for
10:15:35 meeting with me individually of the I have more questions
10:15:38 than I had with you earlier.
10:15:41 Mr. Feneger, but I will ask you these questions before he
10:15:53 I'm not sure about this question.
10:15:55 He wants to know how many times you have actually -- police
10:15:59 actually checked the camera.
10:16:01 So I guess that question is --
10:16:07 >> We don't do wide monitoring on the cameras at all.
10:16:10 How the cameras work.
10:16:12 If there's a correct me if I am wrong or something that
10:16:13 happens, then we review back.
10:16:16 Let's say that we have a burglary in the downtown area.
10:16:20 We look to see if it may have caught something in there to
10:16:22 maybe identify a suspect.
10:16:25 But we don't live monitor.
10:16:27 >> If you have a suspicion of something or report of
10:16:30 something that you can go back and look at the cameras?
10:16:34 >> Yes.
10:16:34 >>MARY MULHERN: Can you figure out how often does that
10:16:38 >> Well, I would say that happens -- it depends on what's
10:16:44 It probably happens weekly.
10:16:45 I wouldn't same daily but weekly.
10:16:47 A lot of times, they will just ask us if the camera -- we
10:16:51 are not really going do go in the video because we know the
10:16:55 cameras aren't in that area but we get requests of all the
10:16:58 time of detectives in areas that may have had little crime
10:17:03 We can't keep them in one place.
10:17:07 We are always asked to put them in different hot spots of
10:17:11 criminal activity.
10:17:12 So those cameras tend to get reviewed a little bit more,
10:17:15 because they are specific for a problem that's occurring.
10:17:17 >>MARY MULHERN: You are being asked bill your officers for
10:17:20 those are?
10:17:21 >> By the supervisors.
10:17:23 And usually it will flow up sometimes through the detectives
10:17:30 or the commanders.
10:17:31 Not saying there's -- if we have one available, and if to
10:17:39 make sure we are doing it correctly.
10:17:41 >>MARY MULHERN: I know you gave us that one example, which
10:17:43 I think that happened back right when you first got the
10:17:47 cameras in 2012.
10:17:49 But how many times have you actually identified?
10:17:55 >> You know, it's hard to get information back from people.
10:17:58 I always ask detectives, send me some good stories.
10:18:01 What have you done with them?
10:18:02 We have identified some different burglar aspects.
10:18:06 We solved crimes.
10:18:07 And I can't give you a specific number, because I don't
10:18:09 always get that.
10:18:10 You know, we are kind of in charge of the cameras.
10:18:12 But they are the users of it so we really don't have hard
10:18:18 >>MARY MULHERN: I think we need to do know that.
10:18:21 We are not voting on anything today.
10:18:22 But when we are asked to appropriate money for this, we need
10:18:25 to know that they are actually being effective.
10:18:29 So maybe before it comes to us for a vote to renew that
10:18:34 contract, you could get some data that shows us how often
10:18:40 you are actually identifying people from the cameras.
10:18:43 Because this is a lot of money.
10:18:52 Then I didn't think about this when we were talking the
10:18:54 other day, but the public records request, when you get a
10:18:57 request for access to those, who can ask for that?
10:19:03 Can anybody call you and say, I would like to see the camera
10:19:08 from Ashley and --
10:19:11 >> Well, what they have to do is give a specific date and
10:19:15 time of the areas they are looking for, and then there's
10:19:17 actually a cost governed by the State of Florida for pulling
10:19:20 those records.
10:19:20 Because that takes time for somebody to review them.
10:19:23 So through our legal department, there's a person in there.
10:19:26 That's what they do.
10:19:27 So then they have given an estimate of how much time it
10:19:31 would take and what the cost is and then make a decision
10:19:35 whether to try to pull video for them.
10:19:38 A lot of times they don't know if they are going to have
10:19:40 something or they won't.
10:19:42 So they'll make the determination, and then once that's
10:19:45 done, then we'll look it up and if it's there we'll provide
10:19:49 it to them.
10:19:49 >> But anyone can do that?
10:19:51 >> Yes.
10:19:51 >> Anyone in the audience could call you and say, I need to
10:19:54 see that video from whichever camera?
10:19:59 >> Yes, and provide what area they are looking for, a time
10:20:03 and a date, and they can specifically ask for what are they
10:20:05 want the video for.
10:20:07 And then that will be provided to them.
10:20:09 But like I said, there's a cost that's associated with it.
10:20:12 >>MARY MULHERN: So how do you determine?
10:20:16 Can you say no?
10:20:17 Is there any reason to say no?
10:20:19 >> Normally, no.
10:20:23 Yes, we give it to anybody who asks.
10:20:25 If we are doing something specific with the video like an
10:20:29 internal investigation and there's something, until an
10:20:33 internal investigation is done and it's part of evidence,
10:20:35 that might be a reason why we won't give it.
10:20:37 But we haven't come across that yet.
10:20:39 I just want to give you a what-if.
10:20:42 >>MARY MULHERN: I hadn't really thought about that too
10:20:43 But I think that's kind of disturbing because someone could
10:20:46 be following someone, or shadowing someone.
10:20:52 >> Florida public records law requires us to be very open
10:20:56 with the records.
10:20:58 >>MARY MULHERN: So once you are filming --
10:20:59 >> Remember, the video is gone in 30 days.
10:21:02 So after 30 days retention overrides it.
10:21:04 So unless it's within that 30-day window, there is no access
10:21:09 to it anymore.
10:21:09 We don't even have it.
10:21:10 >>MARY MULHERN: But I guess the other question is -- and
10:21:17 these are all questions I would like to have answered -- and
10:21:20 I will put it in writing before we come back and really make
10:21:24 a decision about whether we are going to continue to use
10:21:29 It would be good to have answers.
10:21:31 Movable cameras, can we get -- it I don't know, if you gave
10:21:36 us that report of where all the stationery ones, but the
10:21:40 movable ones, if we could get a record of where they are
10:21:43 being used?
10:21:45 >> Well, we can go back and same where they have been used
10:21:47 and provide that at the different locations.
10:21:50 Sometimes we really don't want to put that out there in the
10:21:53 public area because we might be looking for burglars
10:21:57 suspects and we just don't want the burglars to know that
10:21:59 there's maybe a camera in the area.
10:22:01 Buff that would be the only reason why.
10:22:03 But for intents and purposes we can provide all the
10:22:06 locations to you.
10:22:06 >>MARY MULHERN: I think we need to know that just to make
10:22:10 sure that it's not profiling, that the cameras are only
10:22:13 being used in certain areas.
10:22:16 >> Yes, we can do that.
10:22:18 And we use it too at a Bucs games for traffic monitoring.
10:22:23 It doesn't only have to be criminal.
10:22:25 It could be traffic control.
10:22:26 It could be an event.
10:22:27 It could be for anything that we know that the cameras will
10:22:30 be a useful tool for us so we don't have to deploy as many
10:22:34 officers in that area.
10:22:36 >>MARY MULHERN: Thank you.
10:22:38 I just hope, council, that we'll all do our re search and
10:22:42 think about this pretty hard because I know that -- I'm not
10:22:46 comfortable with them.
10:22:47 I know that -- I think I was alone in that not wanting to
10:22:51 have the cameras in the first place.
10:22:55 But I think we should think about really strict ordinances
10:23:00 about how they are used, because it's a pretty big
10:23:03 responsibility to know that they are out there.
10:23:05 And the fact that they are out there and people don't
10:23:08 necessarily know, you know, that they are there.
10:23:11 I like the fact that you are advertising them.
10:23:12 >> Yes, we do advertise them.
10:23:14 >>MARY MULHERN: People know they are there at least.
10:23:18 But I hope we will think long and hard about this.
10:23:22 And I guess the other question for you, can you show us,
10:23:28 just strictly in terms of reducing crime, and more canines,
10:23:43 and I just think of all the things we should do, and have
10:23:46 some of these questions, if you can answer them might tell
10:23:48 us, but we should be able to justify, that maybe we could be
10:23:56 hiring people.
10:23:56 >> The cameras have been done now and it's just a
10:24:02 maintenance issue and we have no plans of expanding
10:24:05 That's where it gets costly.
10:24:06 And Councilman Reddick last year had an issue with illegal
10:24:10 dumping, and we found a better solution to help solve that
10:24:13 with using more inexpensive cameras that are more affordable
10:24:19 for that.
10:24:19 >> How much is the contract if we renew it for another year?
10:24:23 >> The contract as it was written for using a company that
10:24:26 be we currently use, we asked them when we initially put the
10:24:30 bid out to give us a second year estimate, and the estimate
10:24:33 they gave us was $1,646,000 to renew it for the following
10:24:37 year with that same company.
10:24:38 Now we are going to look at other ways to maybe bring that
10:24:41 cost down.
10:24:44 Picking backing off other companies that are local, and
10:24:47 possibly looking at maybe doing some of the maintenance
10:24:50 So we are going to try to see what we can do to try to
10:24:52 reduce some of those costs.
10:24:54 But that's the basic costs, and the answer that I can give
10:24:58 you tangible.
10:25:00 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Mr. Reddick and Mr. Cohen.
10:25:03 In that order.
10:25:03 >>FRANK REDDICK: Thank you, Mr. Chair.
10:25:07 Yesterday when we discussed this, I told you that I wanted
10:25:13 to read more in detail.
10:25:15 I just have a few questions.
10:25:16 And the first one is, how many law enforcement agencies do
10:25:21 you know of in the State of Florida are utilizing cameras?
10:25:25 >> I don't know all the agencies.
10:25:27 I know Hillsborough County does, the sheriff's office.
10:25:30 They have some cameras.
10:25:34 St. Pete, I believe, has some.
10:25:35 They put some during the RNC.
10:25:39 I don't know if the detective knows some of the counts.
10:25:43 But I know locally there's cameras around.
10:25:45 I can't talk about all over Florida.
10:25:46 I know when we are looking to install these, we inspected
10:25:50 cameras throughout the State of Florida.
10:25:51 We actually went over to Miami.
10:25:53 We think went to, I think, Fort Myers, and some of those
10:25:57 areas had cameras that were installed for this type of
10:26:00 And we looked at how their systems work, where we can
10:26:04 educate ourselves on what we were doing when we were doing
10:26:06 the bid.
10:26:07 So I know there is more than one place than just Florida.
10:26:10 There are some studies in here that I think have some
10:26:12 cameras in Chicago.
10:26:13 And the other place that we found a study for some stats
10:26:18 that they had was Baltimore.
10:26:21 So I know those cities do, and New York.
10:26:23 >> And let me follow up.
10:26:28 A listing in section 3, take Washington, D.C., for example.
10:26:34 Safety violent crimes, deadly weapons down significantly but
10:26:42 cameras were not solely responsible for the drop.
10:26:45 So crime went down, but they don't -- they are not saying
10:26:52 that cameras played a significant role.
10:26:53 >> It's a hard thing to come out here and say that the
10:26:56 cameras are specifically the drop.
10:26:57 And that's why even in our stuff we can't do than because
10:27:01 the crime went down.
10:27:03 That means something didn't occur.
10:27:04 And we are trying to look at what we have done as a police
10:27:07 department to prevent that.
10:27:08 And some of it could be cameras.
10:27:10 Some of it could be an aggressive officer just in that area
10:27:13 doing a little better police work.
10:27:14 So it's a really hard item to kind of get a tangible moment
10:27:18 to say actually stand up here and same that's the reason.
10:27:22 But, you know, I would believe, just knowing that there's a
10:27:28 camera in place, would tend to keep someone from committing
10:27:32 some type of crime, and we would be able to review them and
10:27:36 see who is doing it.
10:27:38 >>FRANK REDDICK: And I am going to move to Chicago, for
10:27:40 We all know about Chicago.
10:27:43 We hear about it every day on TV.
10:27:45 And a significant captain number of people are, killed.
10:27:50 And they are one of the cities that utilize cameras.
10:27:54 But the crime rate has not dropped, because people get
10:27:58 murdered every day.
10:28:00 In the last week seven people got shot outside side a
10:28:05 But one thing I did notice that went up, prostitution went
10:28:09 up in Chicago.
10:28:11 But robbery went down.
10:28:15 But prostitution went up.
10:28:17 And the murders did not change.
10:28:19 And a comparison to say cameras play a significant role in
10:28:29 reducing crime in the community.
10:28:31 And I am going to start there R.but one other item I had,
10:28:36 Mr. Chair.
10:28:37 And that is, I notice where you say covert cameras used to
10:28:42 manage crowds.
10:28:47 Are those cameras visible?
10:28:49 >> They are visible.
10:28:50 What we mean by covert is we don't advertise them with
10:28:53 banners on them.
10:28:54 There's cameras but they don't know who put them up there.
10:28:56 There are trailers, and you can't hide them.
10:28:59 If you have seen them they are pretty large.
10:29:01 So they are up there.
10:29:03 But we don't put the Tampa Police Department banner on them.
10:29:06 We kind of want people to have feel free being in the park.
10:29:09 But we are able to monitor a large area of the park without
10:29:13 actually putting officers in there.
10:29:15 They keep us from having to use all of our resources in
10:29:18 there at one time.
10:29:19 You know, had one camera can take place of 15 to 20 officers
10:29:23 in a crowd to try to keep -- when they can monitor and make
10:29:27 sure they are just having fun in the park and not doing
10:29:30 anything wrong.
10:29:30 >>FRANK REDDICK: And you don't consider that -- I want to
10:29:42 use the right word here -- a person paid to rent those
10:29:52 shelters for cookout, and the people go out to the park, and
10:29:56 I guess with family and friends and want to have an
10:29:59 entertaining time.
10:30:03 And it seems like they are spied on, because you got cameras
10:30:06 out there.
10:30:09 So the cameras are there, you don't advertise it.
10:30:13 Do those people who pay a fee to rent those shelters, and go
10:30:19 into a public park, do they have a right to know that they
10:30:22 are being spied on?
10:30:23 >> That would be more of a legal question, you know.
10:30:26 But I believe not.
10:30:27 I believe a public area and a public park.
10:30:30 We don't put cameras in the shelters.
10:30:32 We don't put covert cameras in the shelters.
10:30:36 More in the public areas like the areas where people are
10:30:38 going to gather.
10:30:39 And that's usually where we have problems with sometimes
10:30:43 some youth will go in there and, you know, if there's a
10:30:47 problem, you know, we have had stabbings and shootings and
10:30:50 things like that.
10:30:51 And that's kind of what we are focused on.
10:30:53 It's for the people that are actually trying to have fun in
10:30:55 the park, able to have that fun and not have been to worry
10:30:58 about other people that don't have those same intentions
10:31:03 going in there and basically changing their lives by
10:31:06 committing violence.
10:31:07 >> Let me ask you, are those permanent cameras?
10:31:09 >> No, no.
10:31:10 >> Portables?
10:31:11 >> Yes.
10:31:12 >> And they are done mostly during the summer?
10:31:14 >> It's a summer initiative.
10:31:15 We ask our commanders in each district to come up with the
10:31:18 areas that are hot spots that we know from history had
10:31:21 problems and come up with plans and ways that we can help
10:31:23 reduce the crime and reduce the problems.
10:31:26 And that's what the focus is on.
10:31:28 And that's why we put them where we do.
10:31:30 >>FRANK REDDICK: And I appreciate -- and I hope legal can
10:31:35 answer that question, someone from legal can respond to that
10:31:41 But finally, I appreciate that you have the mobile cameras
10:31:49 and that had you purchase more to try to get to the bottom
10:31:54 of all this illegal dumping going on.
10:31:56 Do you feel with dim cameras that you have made a dent into
10:32:02 reducing the amount of illegal dumping?
10:32:04 >> I do.
10:32:05 I think they have been very effective.
10:32:08 Because not only -- and I don't want to give away too much
10:32:10 of our secrets here.
10:32:12 But they let us know real quick if somebody is doing it and
10:32:15 we are able to deploy police officers, where before usually
10:32:18 it's a matter of going after the fact and cleaning up the
10:32:21 We are actually able to catch them making the mess and
10:32:24 arresting them for it.
10:32:25 So I think they are having an impact.
10:32:26 >>FRANK REDDICK: Thank you.
10:32:29 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Mr. Cohen?
10:32:31 Oh, I'm sorry.
10:32:31 >>REBECCA KERT: Legal department.
10:32:35 As to the specific question about where and when you do not
10:32:40 have a specific entitlement to expect privacy, in each
10:32:44 situation it's very fact specific but the bottom line is if
10:32:48 you are out in the public where others can see you and hear
10:32:51 you, the courts have determined up do not have a right to
10:32:54 privacy in that, an expectation of privilege system that
10:32:58 other people will not be able to hear what you are saying if
10:33:00 you are out in the open, say a public shelter where anyone
10:33:02 five feet away can hear it.
10:33:04 The courts have determined, for example, back in the day
10:33:07 when they used to have pay phones that actually had doors
10:33:10 that closed, you went inside and closed the door.
10:33:13 Even though you were out in public, you had an expectation
10:33:16 that the conversation that you were having would not be
10:33:21 heard. In Florida there are certain rules about when you
10:33:23 cannot do audio taping of people and the courts held that
10:33:27 even if you are in your office out don't have much
10:33:30 expectation of privacy there.
10:33:31 So it's that specific.
10:33:32 But for the exact question that you asked, if you are out in
10:33:35 a public park where anyone can be walking by, an undercover
10:33:42 officer, me, you, then you should have an expectation that
10:33:44 what you are saying no one else is going to hear it or that
10:33:47 no one else is going to see or take a picture of what you
10:33:50 are doing.
10:33:51 From a legal standpoint.
10:33:53 and I realize there are policy implications that you may or
10:33:57 may not agree within what the courts say but.
10:34:00 >>FRANK REDDICK: You have an expectation of knowing that
10:34:03 there's a camera on a pole somewhere watching you?
10:34:06 >>REBECCA KERT: When people are out in the public, people
10:34:09 should not be surprised if there's a camera, be it a
10:34:11 government camera or private camera or someone with a cell
10:34:16 That's the reality of the world today.
10:34:17 People need to understand that there are cameras everywhere.
10:34:20 >> So we have a police state in the park?
10:34:22 >> I am not going to agree with your characterization of
10:34:25 that on any level.
10:34:26 I am just saying that if you are out there, everyone has got
10:34:30 cameras these days, and you should not be surprised if
10:34:33 someone is taking your picture when you are out in public.
10:34:35 >>FRANK REDDICK: Thank you.
10:34:38 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Mr. Cohen?
10:34:39 >>HARRY COHEN: I do want to thank you for meeting with all
10:34:41 of us individually, and for giving each of us the
10:34:44 opportunity when we wanted to come over and actually view
10:34:47 the cameras and the way in which they are operated.
10:34:53 And I think where are because both Councilman Reddick and
10:34:59 Mulhern asked specific questions I have very few.
10:35:03 But I want to follow up on one of the things that
10:35:06 Councilwoman Mulhern was asking about public records
10:35:09 Do you keep a record of the number of public records
10:35:11 requests that are made for this type of footage?
10:35:14 >> Our legal office does.
10:35:15 They keep records of everything that is requested.
10:35:18 >>HARRY COHEN: My understanding is that under the 119 law,
10:35:23 you can't compel someone to give a reason why they are
10:35:27 asking for something, just like you can't force them to give
10:35:30 you their name.
10:35:31 But I think that the concern that I have heard expressed is
10:35:36 that there are different purposes, like people would ask for
10:35:39 this type of footage.
10:35:40 Certainly, in the contexts of a civil court action, or
10:35:44 perhaps a traffic accident, or some sort of insurance claim,
10:35:49 this information might have a very legitimate purpose that
10:35:53 could shed light on the fact of a given situation.
10:35:59 There has been some suggestion that people might have a
10:36:04 sinister purpose for asking for this information.
10:36:06 And it seems to me if we know the actual number of requests,
10:36:10 we might not be able to boil it down entirely and establish
10:36:14 exactly what the reasons were, but by knowing the numbers
10:36:17 and getting some idea that we might be able to get a sense
10:36:21 of the reasons that people are asking for this information.
10:36:24 So I think it would be helpful to know that.
10:36:32 It was mentioned about the cameras, the movable cameras
10:36:35 being marked and used for deterrent purposes.
10:36:40 And I was wondering, because you gave us a presentation
10:36:42 talking about the number, some certain individual instances
10:36:46 of crime that appeared to have been directly solved using
10:36:51 the cameras.
10:36:52 It sort of begs the question, though, if there's a deterrent
10:36:55 effect to the overall placing of the cameras, it's hard to
10:36:59 quantify crimes that may have been deterred or, you know,
10:37:05 whether or not an area may have become marginally safer
10:37:09 because of the people's knowledge that there's extra
10:37:12 And it's not of just public surveillance, it's all the ATM
10:37:16 cameras and bank cameras and private cameras that are also
10:37:19 around, and photographing what's out there on the sidewalks.
10:37:25 So it may be difficult for us to totally quantify some of
10:37:29 those things.
10:37:30 And then finally, you know, I do think that when we have
10:37:34 this discussion, it's incumbent upon to us look to other
10:37:41 jurisdictions where cameras have been used, and have played
10:37:45 an instrumental role in solving a crime.
10:37:48 And it's my recollection that the incidence that occurred
10:37:52 this year at the Boston marathon, about that the law
10:37:56 enforcement effort to ultimately apprehended the people that
10:37:59 were responsible for that, is directly related to the
10:38:03 positioning and use of cameras at the event.
10:38:06 And if that's the case, and if there are other instances
10:38:09 like that, that have occurred in the country, I think it's
10:38:13 important that those be part of the analysis as well,
10:38:17 because certainly that's one of the contemplated uses for
10:38:20 this type of device.
10:38:22 >> We'll try to gather as much specifics, but you are
10:38:25 absolutely right, with the Boston bombing, they were pretty
10:38:29 much all cameras, that's how they identified them, were able
10:38:34 to put pictures up, but we put them out on the media people
10:38:38 committing crimes, and we are getting those from cameras.
10:38:40 They might not all be police cameras.
10:38:42 They might be private cameras.
10:38:43 But that's ultimately camera where we are getting that
10:38:47 picture to put there.
10:38:50 And then I wanted to clarify.
10:38:52 When we ask for a reason, they don't have to give us a
10:38:54 The only reason we ask for a reason, it helps that needle in
10:38:58 the haystack.
10:39:00 It helps us get what we are looking for.
10:39:02 But if they say we want from 5:00 to 5:10 in this
10:39:05 intersection, that's fine.
10:39:06 But if they tell us we are looking at a traffic crash, we
10:39:10 might have an angle from another camera that might give them
10:39:13 what they are looking for.
10:39:15 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Mr. Suarez and Ms. Mulhern.
10:39:17 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you for the presentation.
10:39:20 I know of that we as a council always keep trying to weigh
10:39:24 those public policy concerns with public safety concerns.
10:39:28 And sometimes it's not an easy balance for us.
10:39:33 I think Ms. Kert made a very good point in terms of the
10:39:36 public doctrine when it comes to your right to be in private
10:39:42 in a public space.
10:39:45 There's very little that you can look at as private people
10:39:49 out there.
10:39:49 Having said that, I think that one of my main concerns has
10:39:53 always been about the process that we have with our own
10:39:55 police officers that have access to this information on a
10:40:00 realtime basis, even though it's not live monitoring, there
10:40:03 is a way for them to access fairly quickly.
10:40:06 Some of the things that you mention concerning
10:40:08 individualized passwords and access.
10:40:14 If you have already done this, have you done any kind of
10:40:17 audit as to who has access to this information since we
10:40:23 >> Yes, I have personally.
10:40:26 I asked to see who has access to the RNC, and I went through
10:40:30 that, and then we have gone periodically, and I have asked
10:40:33 for who has access now, and the reasoning.
10:40:36 And the reason I want to personally use it, the system is
10:40:43 pretty good about keeping track so we are able to see
10:40:47 everything we are doing is on the way the policy is written.
10:40:50 >>MIKE SUAREZ: And for me it's a systemic way of making
10:40:54 sure that those tools that are using are not abused because
10:40:57 of any specific individual problems that you might have with
10:41:02 a specific officer or specific team of officers.
10:41:07 As we have seen, there are times when police officers go
10:41:09 outside of the standard operating procedure.
10:41:12 And I know that for the most part our police officers are
10:41:16 following what needs to be done both in terms of our
10:41:19 internal guidelines, and the legal guidelines that are set
10:41:23 But we as a council have to always make sure that we are
10:41:26 being diligent with you all.
10:41:28 And I think that what may help alleviate some of the
10:41:33 questions that not only that we have here, but we have had
10:41:35 in the past, is to provide us with information concerning
10:41:38 the upcoming renewal that will happen.
10:41:42 I know that you are looking at ways to reduce that cost so
10:41:45 we are not going to have as big of a cost as we did before.
10:41:48 But secondly, that we need to make sure that that process is
10:41:55 pretty sole I had that it's being followed and we would like
10:41:58 to see a result of that.
10:42:00 And I think for us it is always about, are we getting
10:42:02 anything out of the use of these cameras in terms of crime
10:42:07 It is a nebulous matrix.
10:42:11 You can't always say this camera helps solve these crimes,
10:42:16 because there are so many other aspects to it.
10:42:19 But there are always those incidents, the one that you
10:42:23 started your presentation with, which is an absolute direct
10:42:27 relation to it.
10:42:28 And secondly, I think Mr. Cohen said it perfectly, which is
10:42:34 such a heinous crime as what happened in Boston, without
10:42:37 those cameras that were available -- and not all of them --
10:42:41 if I am not mistaken not all of them were public cameras.
10:42:45 I think some of them were private cameras because there were
10:42:48 some bank-related properties, other things -- that puzzle
10:42:54 that we have to solve every time there is a major crime or
10:42:58 even a minor crime, that each piece leads to something else.
10:43:01 Whether it's canvassing the neighborhood and being able to
10:43:07 get that one good witness, or having that one good camera
10:43:09 angle that then leads to another witness or another fact, I
10:43:15 think it's important for us to understand.
10:43:16 And I think that, you know, I like what you have put
10:43:20 together here.
10:43:20 And I would like to have more information, so when it comes
10:43:23 up for renewal we are prepared to answer a lot of the other
10:43:27 >> I'll do that for you.
10:43:30 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Round 2.
10:43:31 Mrs. Mulhern.
10:43:32 >>MARY MULHERN: I just wanted to bring up a question that
10:43:35 was an example because I don't feel comfortable talking
10:43:38 about that, the Boston example, so if we are going to use
10:43:44 that as a justification for this, I think we need to know
10:43:48 the specifics of what cameras actually gave them the
10:43:52 evidence to find those.
10:43:55 >> The case is still ongoing.
10:43:57 It's going to be up to the FBI to allow us to have it.
10:43:59 >>MARY MULHERN: I don't feel comfortable talking about that
10:44:02 and I think we need to just look at -- we have had over a
10:44:06 year by the time it comes up for renewal of experience with
10:44:10 our cameras and see if we can show that they have been
10:44:13 I would rather council just look at that.
10:44:17 It is really difficult to figure out, since we are under
10:44:23 watch from ourselves and privately and publicly, but we are
10:44:27 the public proponent of these cameras.
10:44:30 So I think we need to remember that it is our decision about
10:44:35 That additional eye -- those additional eyes that are on us,
10:44:40 and the public, it's really just amazing.
10:44:45 I think about my son, who is 13, the fact that his growing
10:44:51 up now are actually born into -- have been born into
10:44:56 having -- but it doesn't mean that we need to contribute to
10:45:05 that even more.
10:45:06 I think we still need to think about what we are adding to
10:45:09 that and really justify it.
10:45:11 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Captain, thank you very much.
10:45:12 I really appreciate the work that you and the Tampa Police
10:45:15 Department are doing.
10:45:16 And I think it's an issue to be discussed and voted on at
10:45:21 future council meetings.
10:45:22 But I appreciate the time that you have taken to meet with
10:45:24 all the council members.
10:45:26 It was very informative.
10:45:28 I can assure you that one issue that we had downtown was a
10:45:32 result of an arrest by cameras.
10:45:34 There's no doubt in my mind.
10:45:36 And thank you for coming here.
10:45:37 Thank you for doing that.
10:45:39 And we really appreciate your work at the Tampa Police
10:45:44 Thank you very much.
10:45:44 >> Thank you, sir.
10:45:48 We go to item number 5.
10:45:58 I have here at the end of each workshop.
10:46:04 I'm interpreting that to mean at the end of all the
10:46:06 workshops, not at the end of every one.
10:46:10 Yes, sir?
10:46:14 >>DENNIS FERNANDEZ: Historic preservation manager here on
10:46:15 item number 5.
10:46:16 We were here in April and provided a thorough overview.
10:46:20 At that time, council had requested some back-up information
10:46:24 in the form of an executive summary, and a color coded text
10:46:29 reversion which has been provided.
10:46:32 I'm happy to go through the highlights at the revision to
10:46:36 the Barrio Latino commission ordinance if you like, or
10:46:40 answer any questions.
10:46:42 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Let's start with the questions.
10:46:43 Any questions at this point?
10:46:50 Continue with whatever you like to be say.
10:46:53 >>DENNIS FERNANDEZ: We have also outreached with the Ybor
10:46:55 City development organization, AI eh, and Tampa
10:47:00 Preservation, Inc., which was at the request of council and
10:47:04 would request your support on moving this forward to the
10:47:06 Planning Commission so it can be scheduled for public
10:47:14 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
10:47:19 Council, this is just receiving a summary of what happened.
10:47:23 When it gets here, we'll certainly do what we have to do.
10:47:26 Thank you very much.
10:47:27 We go to item number 6.
10:47:30 The vendor ordinance.
10:47:38 Ms. Coyle? Maybe we have worn them out.
10:47:46 I didn't have a camera on it.
10:47:48 >>CATHERINE COYLE: I'm sorry.
10:47:56 Planning and development.
10:47:57 What Marty is handing out is a copy of the actual code
10:48:01 today, so the special use criteria for vendors.
10:48:04 That was one part of the motion that I provide you with the
10:48:06 current rules.
10:48:07 You can read them or not.
10:48:10 They are pretty standard.
10:48:13 What we wanted to go through really quickly -- and I will
10:48:16 give a brief overview, and basically any questions that
10:48:20 huff, Ernie and I are hear to discuss any options or answers
10:48:29 to questions that you may ask.
10:48:33 Specifically, chair Miranda, with some of the vendors, and I
10:48:36 hate to use the word vendor.
10:48:38 It's businesses that heir set up without permits that
10:48:43 wouldn't meet the criteria of a vendor.
10:48:45 And I want to keep the terms vendor as someone that actually
10:48:49 is operating with a permit.
10:48:51 And legally.
10:48:55 Set up without permits, and we did see some of those
10:48:59 pictures, traffic trailers, the every growing vegetable
10:49:03 stands and all types of stuff and fencing that have taken
10:49:07 over properties.
10:49:08 Then there's a second one, businesses that operate with
10:49:11 permits, vendors, that may on occasion go outside the rules.
10:49:15 Maybe they expand a little take big, they stay open a little
10:49:18 late or open a little early.
10:49:22 These are some of the issues, and a lot of them are actually
10:49:27 in district 6 in the West Tampa area.
10:49:30 And there are a lot, Armenia, Howard, some of those are
10:49:35 And looking at what we can do to actually deal with them.
10:49:38 As a vendor today in the code, what you have is the special
10:49:42 using criteria, land use permit.
10:49:46 So the issue with those is that you meet the criteria, and
10:49:50 the enforcement side runs with the land.
10:49:53 It's typically to the property owner, through the standard
10:49:57 code enforcement process, through the magistrate.
10:49:59 We have also instituted the ability to issue a civil
10:50:02 citation as well to the vendor on the property if need be.
10:50:05 What we have found, though, a lot of the photos that we have
10:50:08 seen in the past, don't actually have vendor permits, they
10:50:14 are operating illegally, an illegal business.
10:50:16 On the flip side, looking at the box, an operating permit
10:50:20 which is under chapter 6, as opposed to a land-based permit,
10:50:24 we are looking at an actual permit for the business to
10:50:28 Which in a lot of ways is a better route because that's
10:50:31 actually what we are dealing with, and enforcement, being
10:50:34 able to deal directly with our operator.
10:50:38 When we opened up chapter 6 -- and we did talk about this
10:50:41 the last time, and Ernie spent a lot of time going through
10:50:45 the list of regulated businesses the way that chapter 6 is
10:50:49 set up, the framework of chapter 6, and it was quickly
10:50:53 discovered -- and chapter 6 is kind of a mess, basically --
10:50:56 in 1989 the city adopted the list of regulated businesses
10:51:00 and secondhand goods, news and arcades, flea markets, blood
10:51:07 donor centers, adult uses and so on.
10:51:10 So every year, since '89, they come to the city, and they
10:51:14 apply for business operating permit.
10:51:16 That application is around the appropriate agencies, and not
10:51:20 with the criteria. Zoning always gets a copy of them to
10:51:23 make sure that that use is allowed on the property.
10:51:26 We have gone off for a zoning signature, and it goes back.
10:51:29 I will personally -- I have to check to make sure there's no
10:51:34 proven adult use on the site. If there is I find it goes
10:51:37 back or I deny it if there isn't one.
10:51:42 Now subsequent years -- and this is where it's gotten
10:51:48 interesting over the years -- through divot rations of
10:51:52 council and different issues that were raised, new uses to
10:51:55 be regulated were added into chapter 6.
10:51:58 But instead of being integrated in the list, they were
10:52:01 passed on but we added things like bath house, offpremises
10:52:11 canvassing in Ybor, vehicles on private property, shopping
10:52:14 carts, and then what Ernie has done is research rentals in
10:52:24 chapter 14.
10:52:25 So chapter 14 is offenses.
10:52:27 So if they are legal not to have a business operating
10:52:30 Essentially that's what it says.
10:52:31 But it's not actually in the business operating.
10:52:36 You have to go to a different chapter to find out about
10:52:39 different operating permit.
10:52:40 So there's some definite clean-up to do across chapters.
10:52:44 But in chapter 6 itself, fixing that framework, and
10:52:48 consolidating, streamlining processes.
10:52:51 So it's one way in and one way out.
10:52:58 Much like we use for the DRCs, rezoning, one avenue in,
10:53:04 and whoever needs to review it, those agencies come and say
10:53:08 "yes" or "no," and then a decision is made.
10:53:11 The way it's set up now is many different avenues to follow.
10:53:15 We like to get it into one streamline path.
10:53:19 The second peace of this that we are going to recommend,
10:53:23 moving the vendors from a special use permit to operating
10:53:26 operate is also the type of vendors, making it much more
10:53:34 There's Ybor City special event vendor.
10:53:37 There's a regular special event vendor.
10:53:39 There's a sports and entertainment vendor which is like a
10:53:42 special event vendor except only special areas around the
10:53:45 stadium, the forum, and the convention center.
10:53:48 There's an annual vendor and there's temporary vendor.
10:53:51 Temporary is what is seasonal for Christmas trees and
10:53:55 pumpkins and so on.
10:53:56 What we are looking at is really streamlining those and
10:53:59 consolidating them into three basic types -- the annual,
10:54:03 seasonal, and events.
10:54:05 The event vendors are tied top a city sanctioned event.
10:54:10 So they are someone that there's already a permit been
10:54:13 approved by council or the special events office.
10:54:17 And then you or someone is tagged on as a vendor.
10:54:25 In the long run it will help simplify that to call it what
10:54:29 it is.
10:54:31 Now, the good thing -- and for better enforcement -- the
10:54:36 good thing is that under the box scenario, is if you are a
10:54:41 person that's operating a business on a property, under this
10:54:45 rule, to move to the chapter 6, you are operating an illegal
10:54:51 business in the city if you don't have a business operating
10:54:53 So what we can do at this that point is right away issue a
10:54:57 notice to appear and that goes to the municipal ordinance
10:54:59 court that's been formed.
10:55:01 So you get your hearing because you are operating an illegal
10:55:11 business in the city.
10:55:13 As opposed to the normal processes of special use permit
10:55:16 where you just might have to wind up in that long process
10:55:21 through code enforcement, magistrate.
10:55:24 The second one is if you are operating a business with a
10:55:28 business operating permit, but you are doing something
10:55:30 outside of the conditions without permit, and we see that
10:55:34 you are, and we have noticed that you are operating out side
10:55:37 of those, what we can do at that point, because it's a
10:55:40 permit that can be suspended or revoked, we are looking at
10:55:46 ringing those through the hearing process directly to the
10:55:48 magistrate, for revocation of the permits.
10:55:51 Once that's revoked, we would recommend at that point that
10:55:54 the rules say that you could not reapply for a permit if it
10:55:57 is revoked for 12 months.
10:55:59 Minimum of 12 months.
10:56:01 Or the next annual cycle, whichever is more.
10:56:05 And that would be a deterrent to come back and reap Pete
10:56:09 those offenses.
10:56:13 With that, it looks like we talked about the time frames for
10:56:17 being able to bring the code changes back to council.
10:56:20 And we have some nuance.
10:56:23 That we have to massage and work through with police and
10:56:26 code enforce: But we an tips interest going in the January
10:56:29 cycle because it would be amendments to chapter 6, 14 and
10:56:32 And then we should be able to bring something back in March
10:56:36 for your approval.
10:56:38 And with of that, I will leave it open for any questions or
10:56:45 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Let me ask.
10:56:47 I asked my aide to bring some photos here because what's
10:56:51 happening in a lot of areas of the city, not all, but a lot
10:56:53 of areas, we have the right place to help somebody as a
10:56:58 But number one shows you what I thought would be a typical
10:57:01 vendor on the way we wrote the ordinance.
10:57:04 Let me show you what happens.
10:57:06 This vendor, let me show you what happens.
10:57:08 Number two, there's your vendor in another location.
10:57:11 That's on king and Armenia and these photographs were taken
10:57:15 by Mary and myself.
10:57:17 Number three, same location, and you can see what happens
10:57:20 when you live right next to these operations, what it
10:57:23 causes, is the health, safety and welfare of what they bring
10:57:28 to roads and everything else.
10:57:29 And here is how they are.
10:57:31 I don't know if these had a permit, that's on Braddock.
10:57:36 That is Braddock and Armenia.
10:57:38 Started out as a real small tent and started growing.
10:57:41 And that's a semi that they brought in a couple of days
10:57:45 It's a grocery store on wheels.
10:57:48 That's the next one.
10:57:49 Now they start a picnic area with flags and everything else.
10:57:52 But they keep going on these things.
10:57:54 And you start to get an idea of what happens.
10:57:58 Code enforcement has done everything they can are in their
10:58:01 They have done a good job.
10:58:02 That's number 9.
10:58:04 That one is on Lois, and Hillsborough Avenue behind the
10:58:09 store there, the drugstore.
10:58:11 Even though it's not completely gone, there's no products
10:58:15 being sold, and it's empty shell.
10:58:18 So, I mean, they have done what they can within the
10:58:22 operational system that they have.
10:58:24 But we have a system that's failed.
10:58:26 It's failed for some time.
10:58:27 And we blame everyone.
10:58:30 We should blame the system and then look at the individuals
10:58:33 under that system.
10:58:34 And that's how it is.
10:58:35 And what we have here is a calamity of errors not caused by
10:58:40 anyone directly but by the system in which we have to work.
10:58:44 And I believe that the work of Ernie and Cathy and Jake Roe
10:58:52 they are not my neighbors, just individuals that work hard
10:58:55 for the city -- have had a meeting with the administration
10:58:59 and others in the city that has done this type of work to
10:59:01 change it from what where we are at but we can't produce
10:59:05 what the public really needs to have done and put it in
10:59:07 another chapter when you can have activity directly -- you
10:59:11 don't have to wait 30 days in fixing these.
10:59:15 However, let me also warn when these things go to court, we
10:59:19 don't manage their calendars.
10:59:21 There's another system there.
10:59:22 And you still may have to wait 30 or 60 days.
10:59:25 And the system they have to they've to be improved again.
10:59:28 I can tell you.
10:59:30 My other work that I do doesn't work that way.
10:59:32 When you give a notice, you appeal within five days and the
10:59:35 action is taken immediately.
10:59:36 But I don't run the city.
10:59:39 I can't do what I do in another job because it's different,
10:59:43 altogether different.
10:59:44 I understand that.
10:59:45 But I want to thank the individuals that heir working at
10:59:49 this height, and the yearly permits, I don't know if these
10:59:56 ones that were brought up today, by the way these were taken
11:00:01 with a camera, not a police camera, my camera, but what I am
11:00:05 saying is I don't know Tampa direction of the vendors for a
11:00:09 year, were these part of the yearly vendors?
11:00:15 I don't not of if they were or not.
11:00:17 But a yearly vendor to me is not the right way top go any
11:00:22 I have never opposed it, but I oppose it now, because it
11:00:26 just creates a hardship on the neighborhood, creates a
11:00:29 hardship on the businesses that are legitimately there in
11:00:34 the building, paying their taxes, paying not only their
11:00:37 taxes but their employment fees, to the government, the
11:00:40 feds, and who knows what the people pay?
11:00:44 I would venture to say that sales tax is something that is
11:00:48 not collected too often, or paid too often.
11:00:51 Maybe I'm wrong.
11:00:52 But it's certainly evident by most everybody that things
11:01:00 along the line are not done in accordance with the rules and
11:01:03 regulations of that country.
11:01:05 But I'm not accusing anyone.
11:01:06 I'm just saying that there's a possibility that these things
11:01:09 do happen.
11:01:09 But go on, Ms. Coyle.
11:01:11 >>CATHERINE COYLE: Just to add on the annual vendors, the
11:01:14 reason we retained this was just top try to PARE down the
11:01:22 five, if you want to have an annual, could you simply have
11:01:24 one that's just an event base where they specify specific
11:01:29 dates to the Bucs season or special events, an event, and
11:01:34 they would have to come in and get the new operating permit
11:01:37 for each event and just have the seasonal ones that cover
11:01:40 just a certain time frame for those particular times during
11:01:43 the year.
11:01:44 You don't have to keep the annual.
11:01:47 There's just one thatch we pulled over as an option.
11:01:49 When we first visit vendor regulations many years ago that
11:01:54 was part of that debate, was looking at allowing someone to
11:01:57 do an annual, it's a lower start-up cost for them to set up
11:02:01 something like this.
11:02:02 It could be a side business that they do every weekend.
11:02:05 It could be the guy with much the smoker behind his truck
11:02:08 that pulls into a gas station and works on weekends.
11:02:11 But that is purely a policy decision bus -- because county
11:02:15 get a little out of hand.
11:02:16 And to clarify the pictures you showed, it's my
11:02:19 understanding that those did not have vendor permits.
11:02:22 They just set up shop.
11:02:23 And that's a scenario that if you are operating a business
11:02:26 illegally we'll issue the notices here, send you to court.
11:02:30 And in our conversation yesterday with the chair, Ernie and
11:02:32 myself, we did think about if you are on the property, and
11:02:37 sales and service activities are a permitted use because
11:02:39 it's commercial property, but you are obligated to have a
11:02:42 business operating permit, you are operating illegally in
11:02:45 the city, we are going to deal with you the operator and
11:02:48 send you to court, yes, we are going to deal with you, and
11:02:53 we are going to send you to court, coupled with that, it
11:02:57 would probably behoove us to notify the property owner a as
11:03:00 well that this illegal activity has happened on your
11:03:03 property, and that given the option, especially trying to
11:03:07 get the person off the property, you certainly have the
11:03:10 option to allow us to issue the trespass to TPD.
11:03:13 We may want to issue the notice to appear to the property
11:03:17 owner for allowing that illegal activity.
11:03:19 There's many different avenues we are going to discuss with
11:03:21 TPD, and the rest of legal counsel to make sure we are
11:03:24 following the right path.
11:03:26 But even with the business being found illegal or in
11:03:29 violation, we want to make sure we go back to the property
11:03:32 owner to let them know and give them the option, we can rid
11:03:35 the property of that illegal property sooner than later so
11:03:40 they can't keep operating until their day in court.
11:03:42 That's really the crux of what he was trying to get to
11:03:47 >>MIKE SUAREZ: A scenario that came to my head, if the land
11:03:51 owner does not have a business operating permit, they can't
11:03:59 do anything either on that parcel of land until -- correct?
11:04:03 >>CATHERINE COYLE: If they want to do that type of
11:04:05 nonpermitted sales of stuff, yes, they to have one as well.
11:04:11 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Here is the question.
11:04:12 Mr. Mueller, maybe you can add to this question.
11:04:16 Do we in the course -- well, you are slow today, Ernie.
11:04:20 Come on.
11:04:21 Are you okay?
11:04:24 We need more caffeine out there for you, I think, my friend.
11:04:27 In terms of -- let's say a situation that is presented sort
11:04:37 of what Ms. Coyle was talking about, which is we have got a
11:04:40 land owner that, you know, and some of the pictures that Mr.
11:04:43 Miranda had showed us, which is a land owner doesn't know or
11:04:48 doesn't care that someone set up shop over there, that
11:04:50 person doesn't have a business operator's permit, if we
11:04:58 discover based on that picture, scenario, frights and
11:05:02 vegetables being sold, there's other regulators that deal
11:05:04 with those types of situations, sales tax, other things, can
11:05:11 they sell a product that just fell off the truck, so to
11:05:17 I mean, do we ever coordinate with other governmental
11:05:22 entities that have purview over other pieces of that
11:05:27 business as an illegal entity, do we ever contact them and
11:05:30 go from there?
11:05:32 >>ERNEST MUELLER: I'm not sure to what extent code
11:05:36 enforcement is out there, they might see something, a fruit
11:05:40 stand or whatever else and they might check with the state
11:05:42 Department of Health.
11:05:43 I don't know if they can speak to that H.we can certainly
11:05:49 try and work on those types of relationships if we are not
11:05:53 I am know it aware if they are or are not.
11:05:55 >>MIKE SUAREZ: The only reason I say that is because Mr.
11:05:58 Miranda brought up a very good point, which is the process
11:06:01 time frame that we have.
11:06:03 There may be other state laws that they are violating that
11:06:06 might put them into a quicker situation, which they have to
11:06:11 either be paying into state, or something else that will
11:06:16 cause them to close up shop, because they are doing it
11:06:20 And, again, there's nothing against us going after and doing
11:06:24 what we need to do.
11:06:25 But if we have other agencies involved whether it's county
11:06:27 or state that have some other purview over a type of
11:06:32 activity that's going on, then we can involve them.
11:06:35 And I don't know how we do that.
11:06:38 Maybe yourself can look at some of the legal aspects, and
11:06:41 then translate that to Mr. Slater's team and say, look, you
11:06:45 know, maybe we ought to create a checklist that says, hey,
11:06:48 this is what's going on here, we are putting them on notice,
11:06:51 they don't have a business operating permit, we are going to
11:06:53 put them in our process, but this is what they were selling.
11:06:57 And that maybe there's a state component to it that we can
11:07:00 involve them to have them come down on this particular bad
11:07:06 vendor or bad operator.
11:07:09 That's all I have, chair.
11:07:13 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Any other council members?
11:07:14 Cathy, I can only speak for myself.
11:07:17 You know, at the same time that I am for vendors, I'm
11:07:22 against annual vendors.
11:07:23 At the same time that I'm against annual vendors, I can
11:07:26 understand at the time of application someone who is going
11:07:29 to be at a certain location for a long period of time, I
11:07:32 don't want that individual coming in every week or every day
11:07:35 asking for something.
11:07:37 At the time of permitting, that individual giving them the
11:07:41 right to be there through the application, I assume received
11:07:45 by the city, that they have a specific size, location and
11:07:50 approval built administration.
11:07:51 And what I don't like to see is what I have been looking at,
11:07:54 that most of them, if not all of them, have no right to be
11:08:00 there and we can't even go in because the property laws that
11:08:05 prohibit individuals from -- governments from going into
11:08:08 your land.
11:08:09 And hear again, at the other job that I have, at the time I
11:08:13 sign off, guess what, we have to right to go into your
11:08:18 stall, into your stable and look for whatever I want.
11:08:21 And I think there's laws out there that may parallel the
11:08:24 same rules.
11:08:26 And if you are going to be a vendor, and you are going to be
11:08:28 a yearly annual vendor, assigned location, that can be
11:08:33 measured or whatever from time to time, it's very difficult,
11:08:37 it's very tricky to understand and work with these things.
11:08:40 They seem very simple, but they are not.
11:08:42 Because other people get involved.
11:08:45 And they have rights.
11:08:46 And I don't want to stomp on their rights.
11:08:48 But at the same time, the citizens of the city also have
11:08:51 And they don't want this kind of stuff next to them.
11:08:53 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Is it possible -- we all see these
11:09:01 vendors around, you know, in our daily travels.
11:09:04 I'm imagining that TPD and code enforcement and every other
11:09:08 solid waste, every other department that has people on the
11:09:14 streets, now, eyes and ears on the street, is there some
11:09:17 kind of flyer or one-page information that we can didn't to
11:09:25 Because some of the folks, you know, may not know how to
11:09:32 enter the process.
11:09:34 You know, where to start.
11:09:36 A lot of people contacting city government or county
11:09:38 government, it's very intimidating.
11:09:42 Every time I try it, who do I call?
11:09:44 And I end up giving them my card.
11:09:47 And they call my office and then the aide will give them the
11:09:51 But if we have something that we can just hand to people
11:09:53 whether it's us or like I said, TPD, code enforcement, solid
11:09:57 waste, whoever comes and says, you know, call business tax,
11:10:01 or this is where you go down to apply, and that way they
11:10:06 have the information?
11:10:07 I mean, woo we do something like that?
11:10:10 It's very informal.
11:10:11 Two so that you can say, here is the information, contact
11:10:18 >>CATHERINE COYLE: We certainly could come up with a quick
11:10:20 flyer for that.
11:10:21 I could say we issue hundreds of permits per year based on
11:10:25 the different types that we have.
11:10:26 Because the rules have been around for many years now.
11:10:28 >>LISA MONTELIONE: People are always going to say, "I don't
11:10:35 know who to call."
11:10:38 >>CATHERINE COYLE: A lot of people come in and they don't
11:10:39 speak English as well.
11:10:44 Just to go back to Mr. Miranda's point to highlight the
11:10:47 annual vendor requirements today, they are only allowed on a
11:10:50 certain list of streets and they are major classified
11:10:53 They are not allowed within historic districts.
11:10:56 And they cannot occupy more than two parking spaces or more
11:11:02 than 600 square feet area.
11:11:03 They cannot occupy spaces that are required for the
11:11:06 So diminished parking requirement.
11:11:09 They are only allowed to be open dawn to dusk which we
11:11:13 originally had the same time frame as the temporary vendors
11:11:16 from 7 in the morning till 9:00 at night.
11:11:19 It was a hard number.
11:11:20 Council at the time changed from dawn to dusk.
11:11:23 It changes throughout the year.
11:11:26 An interesting thing to enforce at tames.
11:11:28 They can't install anything on glass containers.
11:11:32 The maximum is 12 square feet.
11:11:34 There are limits on what you can do for an annual vendor.
11:11:37 And that's what I was saying, the ones that I have seen on
11:11:40 these pictures, I did go back and look up at a couple of
11:11:44 intersections and they didn't have permits at all.
11:11:46 Nor would they have qualified for one based on the annual
11:11:50 So if we do keep an annual permit, or if we go top a shorter
11:11:55 time frame of six months or three months or whatever it is
11:11:58 to try to shove people that they can operate the right way,
11:12:05 I would recommend we do keep the provisions that is only on
11:12:08 the mainly classified streets, that it is limited in size
11:12:12 and character, that it doesn't get out of hand, but it is
11:12:17 very clear, and they do get a permit legally, that once they
11:12:21 expand, we have something to judge by what they have done.
11:12:27 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Any other questions of Ms. Coyle?
11:12:29 So I assume you will be coming back to us?
11:12:35 >>CATHERINE COYLE: We are going to be putting it in the
11:12:36 January cycle, like I said.
11:12:38 We are going to keep moving forward on this.
11:12:40 And hopefully by March have a full draft.
11:12:42 If you would like a staff report at the end of the year we
11:12:44 can come back with it.
11:12:46 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I think when you come back have it all at
11:12:48 one time.
11:12:50 >>CATHERINE COYLE: Once it's off the priority list?
11:12:52 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: You are coming back on number 7, the
11:12:54 chicken league.
11:12:55 >>CATHERINE COYLE: And I was hoping not to ask to actually
11:13:06 continue this and at the last minute I am still waiting on
11:13:09 two phone calls, one from department of protection and one
11:13:12 from fish and game.
11:13:13 I read through all the statutes, the laws, the general laws
11:13:17 of the State of Florida, and there's some interesting
11:13:19 language out there.
11:13:19 So I need some clarification from those administrators.
11:13:22 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: And what I am receiving is that you feel
11:13:25 uncomfortable at this time.
11:13:27 Give me the time that you need.
11:13:28 >>CATHERINE COYLE: I hate to say 30 days and then for some
11:13:32 reason I need more clarification.
11:13:34 So two months.
11:13:36 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: 60 days.
11:13:36 >> Staff report at 10 a.m. on October 24th.
11:13:45 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Motion by Mr. Cohen.
11:13:46 Second by Mr. Reddick.
11:13:47 Discussion by council members?
11:13:50 60 days.
11:13:50 >>FRANK REDDICK: I have a question.
11:13:54 And that is, could you also consider when you come back to
11:13:59 us where we can make chicken seasonal?
11:14:12 >>CATHERINE COYLE: Chicken Cesar?
11:14:14 I thought you were making a chicken joke.
11:14:17 Chicken seasonal?
11:14:21 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: So six months?
11:14:22 >> I guess I need some clarification on what he means by
11:14:30 >>FRANK REDDICK: They are outdoors in a coop, right it?
11:14:33 In November, December, we have bad inclement weather in
11:14:37 >> What would you like to do with that?
11:14:42 >>FRANK REDDICK: In that time period stay in their
11:14:47 >>CATHERINE COYLE: Okay.
11:14:52 I'm sorry.
11:14:54 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: 60 days.
11:14:55 And time and date.
11:14:57 >>HARRY COHEN: October 24th at 10 a.m.
11:15:00 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Made by Mr. Cohen.
11:15:00 Seconded by Mr. Reddick.
11:15:02 All in favor of that motion?
11:15:04 Eyes have it unanimously.
11:15:05 Thank you very much on number 7.
11:15:07 Number 8.
11:15:08 It's discussion of replacing city lights with L.E.D.s.
11:15:20 >>MARY MULHERN: I guess we are going to hear from TECO
11:15:36 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Well, somehow we missed the players.
11:15:41 Ms. Mulhern?
11:15:42 >>MARY MULHERN: While we are waiting, I move to transmit
11:15:47 the number 5 to the Planning Commission.
11:15:49 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion by Mrs. Mulhern.
11:15:51 Second by Mr. Reddick on number 5 to the Planning
11:15:56 All in favor?
11:15:57 The ayes have it unanimously.
11:16:02 >> Good morning.
11:16:09 Jean Duncan, planning transportation.
11:16:11 I am here this morning with several representatives, chief
11:16:16 engineer City of Tampa, Laura Kraut from TECO, who has a
11:16:22 couple of folks with her, and here to share some information
11:16:26 about L.E.D.s lighting that's recently become available to
11:16:31 TECO. And I wanted to start out with the PowerPoint
11:16:39 information that's provided to you all.
11:16:40 We have it all on the PowerPoint.
11:16:42 And you can hear her information and then take your
11:16:48 questions after that point.
11:16:49 I'll let Laura kick it off and we'll go from there.
11:16:54 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
11:16:54 >> Laura: Thanks for having us in today.
11:17:00 We have been working with staff the last month or so, and
11:17:05 going through on new offerings on L.E.D.s in our lighting,
11:17:11 essentially all our light offerings that you can have any
11:17:14 number of lights, not just L.E.D. lights.
11:17:16 What we did different is we added eight new L.E.D. offerings
11:17:20 that are sort of available as a choice when you are making a
11:17:23 decision about streetlighting.
11:17:26 Can you see that?
11:17:28 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I know you stated your name.
11:17:31 >> Laura Kraut.
11:17:35 In April 2013, we provided for lighting tariff to include
11:17:42 eight new.
11:17:43 Generally if you are not familiar with L.E.D.s, they have
11:17:45 lighting technology.
11:17:46 It has a whiter, brighter light.
11:17:49 In some cases there's energy efficiency and cost savings
11:17:52 associated with using these type of lights.
11:17:54 Not all cases.
11:17:56 They are often more durable.
11:17:58 There's more control of them.
11:18:00 They can come on quickly.
11:18:01 And there's potentially some safety improvements associated
11:18:04 with the quality of the lights.
11:18:05 It can light up an area where a lot of lights that they have
11:18:09 more of a yellow color to them.
11:18:13 This is more of a white light you can seep true colors.
11:18:17 Someone wearing a black jacket versus a dark blue jacket or
11:18:20 brown jacket, you can see we've you can't with another kind
11:18:24 of light.
11:18:25 It's interesting technology.
11:18:26 There's a lot of interest in them.
11:18:29 And what we have been kind of discussing is it's an option,
11:18:32 eights decision point.
11:18:33 So you need to kind of look at the place that had you want
11:18:36 to put the light, the size of the light, the application,
11:18:39 kind of custom tailor it to what you are trying to do and
11:18:42 will make the most sense.
11:18:44 We can move to the next slide.
11:18:46 what we did is we looked at the typical kind of selection of
11:18:58 typical lightings, around the City of Tampa system.
11:19:01 So it's kind of like small, medium and large.
11:19:04 And it looks at one of the smaller lights.
11:19:07 It's a 100 watt light specifically found in residential
11:19:11 communities, smaller residential streets, some commercial
11:19:13 streets, and we show you some pictures of the difference of
11:19:17 what they look like now and what the L.E.D.s look like.
11:19:21 And to explain this, you are lining up the that traditional
11:19:25 lights, L.E.D. lights.
11:19:28 The red portion shows you like if you were just to buy the
11:19:33 light itself, this is how much it costs.
11:19:34 The green is the energy portion.
11:19:36 And that shows you how much energy for the lights and then
11:19:45 you have your blue, the maintenance type costs, to go out
11:19:49 and take care of it.
11:19:51 And you can see between these two, the lights that you have
11:19:57 now in your system are really a cost basis only are more
11:20:02 cost effective.
11:20:03 You can also see, I think it's interesting on this
11:20:06 particular size of light, the energy efficiency savings,
11:20:09 there's some there, but it's not as dramatic as you will see
11:20:13 on the others since the energy, it's pretty energy
11:20:17 >>MARY MULHERN: Thank you.
11:20:20 And I have already seen this, but it's rep helpful to see it
11:20:25 And so my question on this particular one -- because this is
11:20:30 what I heard when we met -- was that the residential, the
11:20:34 lower wattage was not as cost effective, but really the
11:20:40 whole cost is in the facilities, which is you see initial
11:20:45 Is that correct?
11:20:46 >> It's like a fixture itself.
11:20:49 Tampa fixture, the cost of the light.
11:20:51 So you are looking at that, the casing, and that whole
11:20:57 component of the electrical within it, the design within it.
11:21:02 >> And I think I asked you these questions earlier.
11:21:06 But for the public's benefit, the cost of the L.E.D. lights.
11:21:12 This is based on the market cost when?
11:21:19 >> It became final in March.
11:21:20 So I would say it's the market cost within the last -- this
11:21:26 particular light, and it's our particular standard, I would
11:21:29 say in the last six months.
11:21:30 >>MARY MULHERN: So that's the initial cost that is like
11:21:35 three times for the traditional light.
11:21:41 But the energy savings in the end, your energy savings is
11:21:44 going, if you use the L.E.D. as opposed to the --
11:21:49 >> In this one it takes a lot longer.
11:21:52 >>MARY MULHERN: How long?
11:22:01 I guess that was a question I meant to ask for this.
11:22:04 I don't know, maybe staff has numbers on that.
11:22:07 But for the three different categories of lights that we are
11:22:11 talking about, how long it takes to make up the cost
11:22:15 differential in the energy savings?
11:22:19 >> We don't have the answer.
11:22:24 We can get that and get back to you.
11:22:28 But you are looking at 3.13 compared to 2.56.
11:22:34 It's very, very small over time.
11:22:37 And I'll show you these other sizes whereby this changes.
11:22:42 It's pretty situation can't.
11:22:43 But it's a choice.
11:22:44 >>MARY MULHERN: I mean, it all ads up every month.
11:22:48 If we are looking at monthly costs here?
11:22:50 Is that of what we are looking at?
11:22:52 >> Right.
11:22:53 Monthly cost numbers.
11:22:54 >>MARY MULHERN: So it adds up.
11:22:55 >>> It's a fixture charge.
11:23:06 But it's a one-time or ten-year.
11:23:08 That's another thing, that the fixtures may be more costly,
11:23:12 but it lasts longer.
11:23:16 >> That's built in.
11:23:20 >>MARY MULHERN: So you, TECO charges us for the fixtures on
11:23:26 a continual basis?
11:23:28 >> You don't pay for the fixture up front.
11:23:30 This is a lease rate.
11:23:31 So you are paying for a portion of the fixture.
11:23:33 >>MARY MULHERN: Okay, we are leasing --
11:23:37 >> A portion of it every month and it's spaced out on --
11:23:42 >>MARY MULHERN: That's an agreement that huff with the PSC
11:23:45 on the fixture?
11:23:45 >> It's based on the filing when we file the costs, we
11:23:49 provide backup, we file the agreement, it's available for
11:23:56 staff comment, it's available for public comment.
11:23:58 We typically are working with our customers to make sure we
11:24:00 are putting lights in that they are wanting.
11:24:02 And so it goes through their review, and that's how we end
11:24:07 up with the tariff and offer it to you as a choice.
11:24:11 >>MARY MULHERN: So when you say staff, you mean our staff?
11:24:15 >> PSC staff reviews it and public has review and comment
11:24:20 and can intervene if they are not happy with it.
11:24:22 >>MARY MULHERN: This happened back in March.
11:24:24 So we are not -- public input from today won't count for
11:24:31 determining the tariff rate?
11:24:33 >> It's a process.
11:24:37 Like I said we work with our customers and if they have
11:24:40 other things they are looking for we evaluate and try to get
11:24:43 them what they need.
11:24:46 >>MARY MULHERN: Okay.
11:25:04 So that's the 100 watt.
11:25:07 Now we are going to talk about the 250.
11:25:09 These are a little bigger.
11:25:10 These are used in parking lots, neighborhoods, streets,
11:25:14 public facilities, large industries, and you can see they
11:25:19 are starting to become closer in their costs.
11:25:22 You have got your facilities charge, getting a little
11:25:25 closer, you can see the size of light.
11:25:29 So starting to become a little closer.
11:25:34 And then the last one that we are showing you is a
11:25:37 1,000-foot shoe box.
11:25:42 These are find in community streets, large parking lots,
11:25:45 then they have a lot of light, and you can see that you are
11:25:50 really seeing a difference between the lights.
11:25:52 You have got the 1,000 watt shoe box, and you can see the
11:25:58 energy cost at 27, the 23, compared to your LEDs which
11:26:03 cost around $5, $7.
11:26:07 If you are looking at it from a cost savings perspective
11:26:09 specifically, this is a category that would be kind of need
11:26:16 to look at that sooner.
11:26:18 And then the next slide is an inventory of the City of
11:26:24 Tampa's lights.
11:26:25 So what this shows you is the type of light you have on your
11:26:29 And so 71% of your lights are the 100 watt smaller lights,
11:26:36 about 14.4% of the 250 size that mid size, and you have
11:26:42 about 3.6% of really large thousand watt lights.
11:26:50 Any questions on that?
11:26:55 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Any questions at this time by council
11:26:57 Ms. Mulhern, Mr. Cohen.
11:26:58 >>MARY MULHERN: Yeah, I had a quick question.
11:27:01 And I'm not sure if you noticed.
11:27:02 But the Platt Street lights that we are replacing with
11:27:08 L.E.D.s, are they the 1,000 watt ones or mode yum?
11:27:13 >> I think 50.
11:27:15 >>HARRY COHEN: Actually, the Platt Street item that I
11:27:18 wanted to bring up, because it's my understanding -- and by
11:27:22 the way, thank you, Councilwoman Mulhern, for bringing this
11:27:25 up, and thank you very much for you all for meeting with all
11:27:27 of us individually prior to this to give us an understanding
11:27:32 of how this all worked.
11:27:33 One of the things that came up in our meeting that
11:27:35 Councilwoman Mulhern mentioned is that Platt Street is going
11:27:43 to be a place that people will be able to observe these
11:27:45 types of lights installed, and provide some feedback on
11:27:48 waffle they think about them.
11:27:50 And I just wanted to ask you to elaborate a little bit on
11:27:53 what exactly is going to happen on Platt Street.
11:27:55 >> We'll do a team approach here.
11:27:59 Yes, Platt Street was already on our list?
11:28:06 Of problematic corridors in terms of number of nature time
11:28:11 crashes, in terms of the significant number of severe
11:28:14 injuries crashes, and also the significant number of bike
11:28:21 and ped crashes.
11:28:23 Being that it's going to be resurfaced in the very new
11:28:26 future we are going to be putting a bike lane down, the
11:28:29 project extends from Armenia to about Bayshore, and it was
11:28:32 on our top list.
11:28:33 We decided that it would be very beneficial to the city if
11:28:37 part of our decision-making process, there's a myriad of
11:28:40 factors that need to come together to make a choice on some
11:28:44 of these locations, and it would be very beneficial to have
11:28:48 an actual corridor that has this type of lighting so that we
11:28:52 can actually see the differences, the benefits, and so
11:28:56 And so we worked with TECO. They were very helpful in
11:29:00 working with us on getting this particular roadway
11:29:03 identified through the costing and through the design of it
11:29:08 to have the lighting put in.
11:29:10 I believe November is about the time frame that the ordering
11:29:14 will take place.
11:29:16 Again, we felt that these types of things, demonstration
11:29:21 project or pilot project, helps us in the decision making.
11:29:25 So that's the plan.
11:29:28 And it did have -- us the one of those corridors in terms of
11:29:35 location and traffic and of course all of the parameters
11:29:37 that we need to make our choices.
11:29:39 It did.
11:29:40 Have more of the lighting and that's one of those locations
11:29:47 kind of on the fence, is it cost effective or not are? Is
11:29:50 it energy effective or not? But we thought it was a very
11:29:53 good candidate as a pilot location.
11:29:55 >>HARRY COHEN: And the key is that people will notice the
11:29:58 difference and be able to tell, and it will be really
11:30:03 interesting to get the feedback about what people think
11:30:07 about it.
11:30:08 I would assume that because the light will be so much
11:30:11 clearer and sharper from a safety perspective, I would think
11:30:16 it would be a great improvement.
11:30:18 >> Yes, we are interested in all the feedbacks whether it's
11:30:21 residents or those who use that corridor, as far as that
11:30:24 type of lighting that they are seeing in terms of our law
11:30:27 enforcement, whether they are seeing some benefit was that
11:30:30 type of lighting, and driver data that we get, so again it's
11:30:35 going to be very helpful for us to see how beneficial those
11:30:39 things are, and then that can be another metric that's more
11:30:43 quantitatively put into our decision making as far as our
11:30:47 choices in putting in this type of lighting.
11:30:49 >>FRANK REDDICK: I received this e-mail that I think
11:31:04 someone sent it to me this afternoon.
11:31:06 And when you have a top 10 corridor, and I see where you
11:31:10 have Platt, Bayshore, Armenia, and you have 128.
11:31:18 But I noticed on the other nine did you not include the town
11:31:24 and says it's pending.
11:31:26 Would you explain to me what you mean by the design is
11:31:28 pending and why?
11:31:33 >> JEAN DUNCAN: Yes.
11:31:34 This is a --
11:31:36 >> Yes.
11:31:37 This is a phase program.
11:31:39 We didn't take time for a year-long study to go out and
11:31:42 investigate every issue and every location.
11:31:48 We are taking bites of the apple as we go along.
11:31:51 So where we are with the program which is about six months
11:31:53 along is through our data collection, we have identified a
11:31:58 set of corridors that we know from the data, which is the
11:32:01 crash data, the crime data, the volume, the severity of
11:32:06 those, that these corridors are subject to further
11:32:11 investigation to see if the lighting is part of the problem.
11:32:17 It may be on some of them the lighting design is adequate
11:32:19 and the lighting is not causing the problems.
11:32:22 There's other things causing this problem to be occurring.
11:32:25 So we have a set of those out there that we are looking at,
11:32:31 and Platt was one on the list, and because of the severity
11:32:37 of those parameters, and the resurfacing project that's
11:32:41 coming along, that one was investigated further by TECO as
11:32:44 far as the lighting design, and they determined there was
11:32:47 some lighting upgrades that would bring that lighting up to
11:32:51 a proper standard, then the decision was, okay, since it
11:32:56 does have some need for better lighting, could we do this as
11:33:00 a pilot project to have a visual of what this different type
11:33:05 of lighting can really do, and what it looks like on the
11:33:09 >>FRANK REDDICK: So based on what you are saying to me, the
11:33:14 other nine areas, the design is pending?
11:33:16 You have not made a determination that lighting is -- more
11:33:21 light is need in these areas?
11:33:24 >> Yes, sir.
11:33:25 And just for the others to know, the information that Mr.
11:33:27 Reddick is referring to is out of our monthly report that we
11:33:31 I believe I have that with me here.
11:33:41 Give me a moment to have see if I have that particular -- I
11:33:46 believe what you were given is from our report.
11:33:52 I have got it here.
11:33:53 >>FRANK REDDICK: Okay.
11:33:54 >> On the back of this.
11:34:04 >>FRANK REDDICK: When would a determination be made on
11:34:06 these other sites?
11:34:09 When would a determination be made on the other nine sites
11:34:11 that huff listed?
11:34:13 >> I don't have it a schedule at this moment on when we will
11:34:19 be getting information sent to and information back from
11:34:21 TECO on those other corridors.
11:34:24 It's a work in progress.
11:34:26 So what we are doing is we are putting it on a monthly
11:34:30 report, along with our other capital projects, that piece
11:34:37 that you are seeing -- that's a front and back copy of our
11:34:40 report -- designed to capture a progress on this program.
11:34:42 So I don't have a laid-out schedule like we would typically
11:34:46 have with a roadway project where it has one of those
11:34:50 standard processes that we follow.
11:34:52 So at this point in time, our information is that we have
11:34:56 this set of locations based on the data that we collected.
11:35:00 And now our next step single-family to go through those,
11:35:03 provide more detailed information to TECO, so that they can
11:35:06 review the lighting component.
11:35:10 The lighting illumination engineers that we refer to, and
11:35:13 they will give us feedback on, you know, which of the
11:35:18 corridors do have some lane deficiencies.
11:35:21 I could also tell you that we are doing the same for the
11:35:23 state roads.
11:35:25 We started out with our city streets to look at.
11:35:30 And parallel to this, the state has offered to use a very
11:35:35 new technology, a vehicle that is made available to them
11:35:42 from allows to you collect information on I will elimination
11:35:52 of the corridors.
11:35:55 TECO is going to be providing us feedback on which corridors
11:36:00 have some illumination deficiencies.
11:36:03 We have actually gotten one back.
11:36:05 Coincidentally, Mr. Reddick, at this time Nebraska corridor
11:36:08 in the area of Hillsborough Avenue.
11:36:10 So as we get those feedbacks from the state, we are going to
11:36:14 share those with TECO.
11:36:16 They will look at those illumination efficiencies that the
11:36:21 state is finding through their data collection, and then we
11:36:25 will work with them on coming up with I illumination plan to
11:36:30 augment the state roads as well.
11:36:33 Again, that's when the decision on L.E.D.s, non-L.E.D.
11:36:40 will come N.it's making sense in terms of all those
11:36:43 parameters that I mentioned.
11:36:44 Obviously, this is something we want to do but we want to do
11:36:47 it thoughtfully and strategically so we are getting the best
11:36:54 value for our dollars.
11:36:56 As someone said, if you keep purchasing these high pressure,
11:37:02 if we purchase the L.E.D. lights as Laura has described that
11:37:06 are going to cost us about $107,000 extra a month, if we
11:37:12 change over our whole system, that's not really a good
11:37:15 decision to make either.
11:37:16 So we are trying to balance wanting to go to more efficient
11:37:21 programs with what makes sense in terms of thatch benefit
11:37:28 and the cost benefit and also getting as much lighting
11:37:31 coverage around the city that we would like.
11:37:33 We don't want to be jumping two feet first with this and
11:37:37 then having some of our neighborhoods out there not having
11:37:40 any lighting at all.
11:37:44 So we are being as strategic as we can with going forward
11:37:46 with the locations that we are doing under the regular
11:37:50 lighting as well as the locations of that we want to
11:37:53 transfer over to L.E.D. lighting.
11:37:55 >>FRANK REDDICK: My final question is, when you say 128
11:38:01 representatives what?
11:38:03 >> That's the number of lights on the Platt Street corridor
11:38:06 that will be replaced under that particular project.
11:38:11 Because some of the lights actually are on the side streets
11:38:15 in order to make a proper I will elimination pattern.
11:38:18 So that's why what seems like a large amount.
11:38:22 >>FRANK REDDICK: Well, I expressed my point top you when we
11:38:29 met, and how I felt about this.
11:38:33 And I might just want to say for the record here that I hope
11:38:42 that other communities in the city will be looking at, and I
11:38:56 want to make sure that is on there.
11:38:57 >> I will be happy to share, also, a map that I have that
11:39:01 shows under our existing program the coverage that we are
11:39:06 planning for -- the lighting whether it's -- this is the
11:39:13 location we are looking to add is the light throughout the
11:39:15 City of Tampa.
11:39:16 I will be glad to share this with you all as well.
11:39:29 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Mrs. Mulhern?
11:39:30 >>MARY MULHERN: I want to wait until after everyone else
11:39:34 has spoken.
11:39:34 >> The grid that we are using, those come from the Tampa
11:39:38 Police Department, the high crime grid.
11:39:40 The high crime, the crash data, and input from our CRA
11:39:45 managers and other officials of our three pronged approach
11:39:49 that we are using.
11:39:51 On the front has those locations that we have done or
11:39:56 planning to do, has a little more detail on where those
11:39:59 locations are, what neighborhoods they fall within B.I just
11:40:03 want to say that's really about a year's time out.
11:40:06 You will see some areas that are showing 2017.
11:40:11 We don't have a five-year program where we have identified
11:40:14 every single street, every single neighborhood at this
11:40:18 You know, again we are a work in progress.
11:40:20 So at this point, we have identified within the next number
11:40:25 of months where we plan to be with TECO.
11:40:28 They have actually gotten done pretty quickly so we are
11:40:32 having to see more locations so what we are seeing is 2014
11:40:37 or maybe 2017, more than likely it's going to be done sooner
11:40:41 than that.
11:40:42 But that's a snow shot to share with you to show where that
11:40:47 coverage is going.
11:40:48 Again it's based on data that we can support why we are in
11:40:51 those particular locations.
11:40:55 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Ms. Mulhern?
11:40:56 >>MARY MULHERN: Thank you.
11:40:57 This is kind of getting off track, but I would like to
11:41:00 support Councilman Reddick's request that for the I will Lim
11:41:08 lum nation benefit of the L.E.D. lights that we look at the
11:41:11 neighborhoods that have -- may not have the crash
11:41:16 statistics, but that have the lack of illumination, and we
11:41:22 know that a lot of those in his district.
11:41:26 Sole if we are going to put L.E.D. lights in, we are going
11:41:29 to start to do that, that sound like we are, I don't see why
11:41:33 we shouldn't do it in those neighborhoods.
11:41:35 And what really jumps out at me, Bauer we are starting in
11:41:41 South Tampa on Platt Street.
11:41:42 And when I look at those crash statistics, we have Platt
11:41:45 Street and Cleveland.
11:41:46 So what do we know about those streets?
11:41:49 I haven't really noticed.
11:41:52 I drive them all the time day and night being really dark.
11:41:55 But I do notice that people drive very, very fast on those
11:41:58 streets because they are one-way streets.
11:42:00 And this is totally off topic but it's interesting because
11:42:06 the streetlights may not solve any of the fact that we have
11:42:10 got people using those streets to get as quickly as possible
11:42:14 where they need to go when there are local streets that
11:42:18 are -- the InVision plan has recommended they should be
11:42:22 two-way streets.
11:42:23 So I think we need to look at holistically look at.
11:42:28 That it's totally off top but brought together some of my
11:42:31 And I agree with Councilman Reddick.
11:42:33 We need the lighting where we know that we have problems
11:42:36 with people's safety.
11:42:39 >> I think you can see visually from that map where those
11:42:43 grids are colored in that -- and I'm not sure if I should be
11:42:46 sharing this on the Elmo as I am speaking -- bullet the
11:42:49 visual impact of that map should be evident that we are
11:42:55 putting lighting where there is known crime safety issues,
11:43:08 And I have pull that up here.
11:43:10 >> I have a number of questions so let me start with them.
11:43:12 What's the number of new lights that this bright light safe
11:43:18 nights program can use?
11:43:20 Can you tell me that?
11:43:21 It was 8,000 something?
11:43:29 >>JEAN DUNCAN: I'll start speaking whale he's giving
11:43:33 >>MARY MULHERN: Oh, do you want to give your presentation
11:43:35 before I ask questions?
11:43:36 Were you done?
11:43:39 >> I think Lauren didn't quite get to the very end which had
11:43:43 a little detail about these costs that she was showing you
11:43:46 visually with her graphics.
11:43:48 >>MARY MULHERN: Do out want to finish that up before?
11:43:53 >>JEAN DUNCAN: If you want to.
11:43:54 We have information that we can share on the number of
11:43:56 lights we are planning to implement with the program.
11:43:58 So we can certainly speak to you about that.
11:44:00 But maybe if she can get to the end of her information, that
11:44:04 will help a little bit.
11:44:05 >>MARY MULHERN: Okay.
11:44:06 Go ahead.
11:44:15 Laura: This is hard to see unless you have it right in
11:44:23 front of the you.
11:44:24 But this kind of takes a lot of the information we
11:44:29 summarized in the other chart and details it on a very
11:44:33 detailed basis and it goes by light height and rate code and
11:44:42 shows how many lights on that system.
11:44:43 For example, on the first row there's 100 watt on that first
11:44:47 chart we showed you.
11:44:48 There is 20,675 of them on your system.
11:44:51 And it compares the current fixture to the L.E.D.
11:44:56 And what we were trying to show you is trying to kind of get
11:44:59 an idea of what the energy savings would be.
11:45:02 So the second-to-the-last column on the right shows you your
11:45:06 energy savings.
11:45:07 But the final column shows you your net cost or savings.
11:45:12 So, yes, L.E.D.s are more energy efficient.
11:45:17 But in some cases, it is very hard to overcome the cost of
11:45:20 the fixtures.
11:45:21 So, for example, for the 100 watt cobras, you have a net
11:45:26 monthly difference of over $107,000 monthly, on an annual
11:45:30 basis if you were to change out.
11:45:30 Just a simple calculation, light for light.
11:45:43 When you get down to the larger lights you can see the
11:45:45 highlighted sections.
11:45:46 The 1,000 lights box, there's energy savings.
11:45:54 And it gives you a total savings, too of about 8,000 a month
11:46:02 if those were to be switched out.
11:46:04 This much is a high level calculation but gives you a feel
11:46:08 of the alternatives and how does it look on your system on
11:46:12 an annual basis.
11:46:13 That will be in the decision-making process.
11:46:22 I don't know if any further questions on this page.
11:46:26 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Any further questions by council members
11:46:28 on that item?
11:46:29 >>MARY MULHERN: Thank you.
11:46:32 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you for the presentation.
11:46:33 It was very informative.
11:46:35 We have got one item.
11:46:37 Then we go to public item number 9.
11:46:39 Ms. Mulhern.
11:46:40 >>MARY MULHERN: Yes.
11:46:42 My questions are for Ms. Duncan.
11:46:46 I asked about the numbers.
11:46:49 I know it's around 8,000.
11:46:51 >>JEAN DUNCAN: It's about 8400 lights.
11:46:53 We have them spread over a five-year program.
11:46:56 We are getting about $450,000 a year towards this program to
11:47:01 implement that number of lights.
11:47:03 And we are looking to be about a 30% increase in coverage of
11:47:07 what we have right now.
11:47:08 >>MARY MULHERN: Did you read "The Tampa Tribune" editorial
11:47:15 page today?
11:47:17 >>JEAN DUNCAN: No, I didn't.
11:47:18 I normally do but I didn't get to it this morning.
11:47:20 >>MARY MULHERN: It's interesting because this is under
11:47:23 "other views."
11:47:26 It's from the Washington Post.
11:47:29 But the intergovernmental panel on climate changes coming
11:47:33 out with their findings in the next, I guess, month or next
11:47:37 And they have concluded 95% of scientists have agreed that
11:47:41 the amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, the
11:47:46 concentration of carbon gases is increasing at a faster rate
11:47:52 than at any time in the last 22,000 years.
11:47:57 The past three decades were probably the hottest in 800
11:48:01 Within this century, the draft report, average world
11:48:06 temperature will increase between 2 and 7º Fahrenheit.
11:48:09 I just wanted to put our discussion in perspective.
11:48:12 This isn't just about illumination, and it's not just about
11:48:16 cost, but it's about the fact that the City of Tampa has the
11:48:20 opportunity to reduce our carbon output.
11:48:24 And I think the responsibility -- so I really appreciate
11:48:30 both of your help with this.
11:48:32 And especially Ms. Duncan, that we want to work in this
11:48:41 direction toward using L.E.D. or whatever technology there
11:48:44 is to reduce carbon output.
11:48:46 And that's really -- I just feel like this is something that
11:48:50 we can do that will make us safer, that will eventually save
11:48:56 us money.
11:48:56 I don't care how you split it.
11:48:58 Eventually those energy savings, when you have lights that
11:49:01 only have to be replaced every ten years instead of every
11:49:08 five years, you are going to be saving money.
11:49:10 You are going to catch up to those costs no matter what the
11:49:13 tariffs are.
11:49:14 But I think you have to keep thatch in perspective.
11:49:18 So I was wondering -- I don't know.
11:49:22 These questions you can come back with a staff report at
11:49:27 some point and come back with it.
11:49:29 What's the reduction in -- if we were to replace all of
11:49:34 those 8400 streetlights, I would like to know if we replace
11:49:38 them with L.E.D. lights, what the reduction in energy will
11:49:48 I think that would go a long way towards telling us how much
11:49:54 we could be cleaning up the air.
11:49:58 I know, we need to come back with that.
11:50:01 I want to know how long the payback would be on those
11:50:05 residential lights.
11:50:07 70% of our streetlights, our residential lights.
11:50:13 In that low wattage category.
11:50:17 How long would it take for us to get to pay that back?
11:50:23 And we talked about this.
11:50:25 But I just want to get it on the record that there are
11:50:28 grants out there and bond opportunities, and we do now have
11:50:33 a grant writer for the city.
11:50:34 Are we looking at possibilities for funding?
11:50:40 In the short term, if we fund these L.E.D. lights.
11:50:43 In the long-term we are going to make back that money in the
11:50:47 energy savings.
11:50:48 So I am wondering, especially on -- Jean, maybe you
11:50:53 remember, qualified energy conservation?
11:50:55 >> Yes.
11:50:56 I actually shared that with Terese Wilkes, our grant writer,
11:51:01 and asked to look into that.
11:51:04 You had another suggestion as well and I asked her to look
11:51:06 at those as well as any other opportunities that she could
11:51:10 And it's not always, you know, a writing grant.
11:51:14 It could be some other type of grant.
11:51:16 But it's more of that component.
11:51:18 But I asked her to look and see what opportunities are out
11:51:20 there and also to let me know if there's some leg work we
11:51:23 can do to be assist with that.
11:51:25 We would like to work with her to try to find out what is
11:51:30 >>MARY MULHERN: One of the things I suggested, Councilman
11:51:32 Reddick, that we could loon at subpoena Tampa urban area
11:51:36 security grants, and Tampa TPD, and homeland security grants
11:51:42 thatch we get for safety that maybe some go directly into
11:51:48 law enforcement to GOP into streetlighting.
11:51:51 Hope film they are looking at that.
11:51:54 And then, Jeanne, is it pretty safe to say that the cost of
11:52:00 these fixtures is going down?
11:52:05 The cost of L.E.D. lighting.
11:52:07 As tame goes by, the cost of the fixtures-oat.
11:52:10 >> I think we are all assuming -- just like we saw with
11:52:14 computers and iPhones and those types of things, that as
11:52:17 time goes on, hopefully short amount of time, the cost will
11:52:20 come down.
11:52:21 I think, Laura, you might have had a statistic you were
11:52:27 using in the last two years, how much that cost has been
11:52:31 >> Laura: I think the larger lights the cost has come down
11:52:37 about three times over the last year.
11:52:39 It's something that we are watching.
11:52:41 And it's like any other emerging technology.
11:52:43 This is kind of new.
11:52:44 So there's new advances being made all the time on lighting,
11:52:51 and make sure and kind of be aware of what's going on.
11:52:55 But it's constantly changing.
11:52:57 You can see that already at the larger light level.
11:52:59 And so where you assume that it's going to continue.
11:53:03 People want these.
11:53:04 So it's going to continue to keep an eye on.
11:53:06 >>MARY MULHERN: So this is a tough question.
11:53:10 The cost of the fixtures is going down.
11:53:12 How do we reduce that amount, the amount that we are paying
11:53:18 in leasing those fixtures from teak off?
11:53:21 >> The way that works if the costs come down significantly
11:53:25 like change in cost we go back in and revise our tariffs.
11:53:29 So it's a process, but it's not a terribly complicated
11:53:35 We just go back in and revise it.
11:53:38 And we work with staff to understand what type of lights the
11:53:41 city is interested in.
11:53:41 >>MARY MULHERN: So if the City of Tampa says to you, to the
11:53:45 PSC, these have come down since March, we now know that we
11:53:50 can get fixtures for this much and it's gone down that much,
11:53:54 you have to adjust?
11:53:55 >> Right.
11:53:56 We have to go through the filing process.
11:53:58 Typically what happens is if there's a real significant step
11:54:02 change you go in and file that with the Public Service
11:54:05 Commission and request approval of these new rates that you
11:54:08 are proposing.
11:54:09 And you go through that process and have them available.
11:54:15 >>MARY MULHERN: Thank you.
11:54:18 I have to say this is a no brainer for me.
11:54:20 There's nothing bad about the City of Tampa adopting a
11:54:24 policy of replacing all our city lights with L.E.D.s or
11:54:29 whatever technology, uses less energy, and to see, they
11:54:36 provide more illumination and provide other benefits.
11:54:39 I hope we continue in that direction.
11:54:41 And I would like to make a motion that we have a staff
11:54:44 report, say, in -- maybe in six months as far as L.E.D.
11:54:54 lights, what the costs are, what the new technologies are,
11:54:58 and at that point you can come back and really quantify for
11:55:02 us what it would cost to retrofit or to use the bright light
11:55:10 safe nights, if they were all L.E.D. or new energy saving
11:55:16 >> If I take that motion now I have to have public comment
11:55:25 on that first.
11:55:25 If I may hold it to the business portion so we can listen to
11:55:26 the public.
11:55:27 I appreciate it very much.
11:55:28 >>MARY MULHERN: Okay.
11:55:29 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'm sorry, I apologize to the maker.
11:55:35 >>MIKE SUAREZ: A quick question and I will probably ask the
11:55:37 maker of that motion to include this in there.
11:55:39 But Jeanne, some of the things that we talked about in our
11:55:42 meeting, which is the low-hanging fruit, we already know
11:55:45 that the 1,000 watts are the ones that right now have a net
11:55:50 reduction in terms of where we are at.
11:55:54 And it is also because of the number of lights that are out
11:56:00 there that we can have a process.
11:56:02 I would like you to put together a process of replacing
11:56:05 those lights as we go along so that we can start as quickly
11:56:09 as possible.
11:56:10 I think of that when we are talking about the neighborhood
11:56:12 lights, because there's so many of them, one of the aspects
11:56:17 that you had mentioned in terms of the cost reduction,
11:56:20 there's still a process that we don't control, which is PSC.
11:56:24 And I think that right now we have got an opportunity to
11:56:27 look at those 1,000 watts and say, all right, let's replace
11:56:31 these as quickly as possible.
11:56:33 And I know that that also is tied up in leases but there are
11:56:38 also some that are already 1,000 watts that are not leased
11:56:41 because of them having been there for many, many, many
11:56:47 Let's see if we can put together a process to bring to us,
11:56:51 because with the budget coming up we want to make sure that
11:56:53 we make it as budget neutral as we can and then plan for
11:56:57 next year, to what amounts we are going to have to put in
11:57:00 the budget to replace these on an ongoing basis.
11:57:03 I think that the bright lights safe natures -- I can't say
11:57:07 that, I don't know why -- is a program that's a great way of
11:57:12 doing it.
11:57:12 And I think as we go through that whole process of looking
11:57:16 at those 8500 lights that we say, all right, how many of
11:57:19 these are -- we need to replace because of repairs?
11:57:24 And let's replace it with an L.E.D. light and put that cost
11:57:28 going forward.
11:57:28 And of course we need to figure out what the lease is and
11:57:31 everything else.
11:57:32 But maybe come up with a report to indicate all that to us,
11:57:36 so we have a real dollar amount to go forward with all this.
11:57:41 Everything that Councilwoman Mulhern said is correct in
11:57:44 terms of the way that it is a no brainer in terms of how
11:57:47 much safer it makes our street, how much less expensive it
11:57:51 will be in the long run and how we reduce our carbon
11:57:57 footprint by doing those other two.
11:57:59 So, you know, let's come up with a plan and process and go
11:58:03 Thank you, chair.
11:58:04 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much for appearing.
11:58:06 I appreciate it very much.
11:58:07 And I'll take that motion that Ms. Mulhern made after we
11:58:10 finish the comments here.
11:58:12 Thank you.
11:58:13 Item number 9.
11:58:17 Rules and procedures.
11:58:17 >>HARRY COHEN: Would you like to entertain a motion to
11:58:25 extend for 15 minutes?
11:58:27 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I would like to ask for 30.
11:58:29 I have a motion by Mr. Cohen for 30 minutes.
11:58:31 Second by Mr. Suarez.
11:58:32 All in favor of the motion please indicate by saying aye.
11:58:35 Opposed nay.
11:58:36 The ayes have it unanimously.
11:58:38 Yes, sir.
11:58:38 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Good morning, Martin Shelby, City Council
11:58:42 attorney here to discuss your rules of procedure.
11:58:45 And in preparation for this, I provided you with a copy of
11:58:47 the rules of procedure in the background material, and also
11:58:52 a copy of newly enacted state law that affects all boards
11:58:59 and commissions throughout the state.
11:59:00 And this past legislative session, the legislative passing,
11:59:06 the governor signed Senate bill 50 which created a new
11:59:10 section 286.20114, public meetings, reasonable opportunity
11:59:14 to be heard.
11:59:16 And what that forces agencies, municipalities, boards
11:59:21 throughout the state, is to catch up to what the Tampa City
11:59:27 Council has been doing for years now, which is a very open
11:59:32 and transparent public comment process.
11:59:35 And basically, it doesn't affect this Tampa City Council
11:59:40 nearly as much as it does many other municipalities and
11:59:43 boards throughout the city because this is the way you have
11:59:48 been doing business.
11:59:49 And basically why I am here is to let you know that it takes
11:59:52 effect October 1st.
11:59:53 And in anticipation of that I am going to be asking City
11:59:56 Council to allow me to make some minor changes to your rules
11:59:59 of procedure to be able to more track with state language.
12:00:04 But in terms of the way you do business, it will have very
12:00:07 little effect with the exception of a couple of minor
12:00:10 Number one is I would like to be able to change the name of
12:00:14 rule 5 to conduct of business to public participation, and
12:00:19 slightly amend the order and language of some of those
12:00:24 The other two suggestions that I do have for you, council,
12:00:29 are to change the process at the end of the meeting, to
12:00:34 continue to run the tape and to televise the public comments
12:00:37 that you do take at the end of the meeting.
12:00:39 That is something that you normally do take public comment,
12:00:46 if there is anybody here.
12:00:50 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: The 500 people that hi speak about?
12:00:53 >>MARTIN SHELBY: But let me just say City Council, this
12:00:55 board has been very proactive in seeking public comments.
12:01:00 It is very unusual, for instance, at a lot of boards to take
12:01:04 public comment at workshops.
12:01:06 Now, what this requires is that people have a reasonable
12:01:10 opportunity to be heard on a proposition before a board or
12:01:14 The opportunity to be heard need not occur at the same
12:01:17 meeting that you take official action if the opportunity
12:01:20 occurred at a meeting that is during the decision-making
12:01:22 process, and is within reasonable proximity and time before
12:01:26 the meeting at which the board or commission takes the
12:01:30 official action, and what in this case what you have done
12:01:33 for the past several years now is take public comment at
12:01:38 This board has a history of seeking public input early in
12:01:41 the process, and it helps start your decision making.
12:01:46 And council, what you also do regularly is when you do make
12:01:49 a motion is to put something on a future agenda.
12:01:52 So therefore people do have the opportunity to have the
12:01:56 notice, to have the opportunity to give you public input,
12:01:59 not necessarily at the meetings, but between the time they
12:02:02 learn of it at the meetings, and then also to come at the
12:02:06 meetings and be able to share with you their position.
12:02:09 And you incorporate that into your decision-making process.
12:02:13 So your end product when you finally do come to the public
12:02:16 hearings, the public has been involved and active in the
12:02:19 process, continually up until that time.
12:02:22 So I am going to ask one more request of you, and that is
12:02:29 something that would affect your new business.
12:02:32 There is something in the new section, the new Florida
12:02:37 statute, that says that you don't have to take public
12:02:39 comment when the official act involves no more than a
12:02:44 ministerial act, including but not limited to approval of
12:02:47 the minutes and ceremonial proclamation.
12:02:50 So, for instance, if you take a -- make a motion to set
12:02:54 something on a future agenda, that's ministerial.
12:02:59 If you, at the end of a meeting, make a motion for new
12:03:03 business that is a substantive matter, a policy decision,
12:03:08 and you are not going to be setting it for a future agenda
12:03:11 but take official action, I would ask you to consider
12:03:14 perhaps setting it for future agenda so that people do have
12:03:19 the time to respond to it at a future meeting.
12:03:21 But if it is time sensitive, it would be appropriate to then
12:03:25 just open the floor, if somebody should be here to want to
12:03:28 comment, and make a comment, to be able to say that you have
12:03:31 received public comment before you take official action.
12:03:35 That happens very, very rarely, and it shouldn't really make
12:03:39 much of a difference in the way you do business.
12:03:42 But that being the case, only there's any other changes --
12:03:46 in and out, I know council is working on an order of
12:03:48 business and is in the process of working through that.
12:03:50 And you only had one meeting with that new process.
12:03:53 And so I am not making any recommendations in terms of the
12:03:57 order of business or the to make any changes unless council
12:04:00 wishes to direct me.
12:04:01 All I am asking is for direction to bring back amendments
12:04:06 for the rules of procedure to help implement better this new
12:04:12 Florida statute.
12:04:13 And that's my report.
12:04:15 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you.
12:04:16 Mrs. Montelione?
12:04:17 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I was going to be ask for an example of
12:04:20 the new business item that -- and then you followed it up by
12:04:26 saying it was rarely, so I don't -- something as substantive
12:04:33 that would require come back doesn't pop up into my mind.
12:04:35 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Well, obviously if you make a motion to
12:04:38 direct me to draft a resolution of a policy statement, that
12:04:43 would come back because you would have top vote on the
12:04:46 If you make a motion for the chairman to send a letter, and
12:04:50 that letter is not anticipated to come back before City
12:04:53 Council, it might be -- it might be better for that letter
12:04:56 to come back, or if it's a time sensitive issue and a letter
12:05:00 has to go out, then on that rare indication you might want
12:05:05 to open the floor to take public comment.
12:05:08 >>LISA MONTELIONE: And I guess one of the things I was
12:05:11 going to -- I have got notes here, things in our rules and
12:05:15 procedure that I would like to see discussed today that mate
12:05:19 change in the future -- and that's one of them.
12:05:21 The letters that we request either for the chair to sign, or
12:05:25 resolutions, because there has been many occasions where the
12:05:30 first time -- I only speak to myself, not the others but I
12:05:36 think it's all of us -- the first time we see a letter is
12:05:40 when we are sitting here during a meeting.
12:05:42 And it's happened, I think in, two years it's probably
12:05:45 happened maybe a handful of times.
12:05:47 So I would like to request that just as we require people
12:05:54 who are giving presentations to submit 24 hours in advance,
12:05:58 I would at least like to have a day's notice to review the
12:06:03 letter, and either, you know, make suggestions or be
12:06:08 prepared weapon we come before council to discuss it.
12:06:11 So that was one of the items on my list.
12:06:14 So I'm glad you mentioned that.
12:06:17 >>MARTIN SHELBY: May a dress it very quickly?
12:06:19 Best practice.
12:06:21 Is to have something set for a future agenda.
12:06:23 That's the best practice.
12:06:25 Because that gives notice to not only fellow council members
12:06:29 but gives notice to your constituents, allows you to seek
12:06:32 input if you wish, and to get input if the public wishes to
12:06:37 offer it.
12:06:38 That's the best practice.
12:06:40 The only thing you have to be concerned about -- and if
12:06:43 that's a practice that council wishes to have a letter sent
12:06:45 out in advance, what you have to avoid doing is responding
12:06:49 to that letter before the City Council meeting, because it
12:06:53 would be the response to that letter to another council
12:06:55 member that would run afoul of the sunshine law, the public
12:06:59 meetings law.
12:07:00 So that would just be the thing.
12:07:02 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I was just thinking when somebody wants
12:07:05 to have a letter sent -- a lot of them have to do with when
12:07:11 we are in legislative session or something happening in
12:07:12 Congress that we want to send a letter or a resolution to
12:07:21 our elected officials.
12:07:23 Those office offices, our legislative delegation, that we at
12:07:27 least have 24 hours to look at what is being requested,
12:07:32 either resolution, or letter.
12:07:35 And, had I mean, there's been a couple here that was
12:07:39 directed at the mayor.
12:07:40 So, you know, before we send something to the mayor, or make
12:07:43 a statement or resolution, a letter and so forth, I would
12:07:46 like to have advance notice and be able to see it or review
12:07:50 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Council's pleasure.
12:07:54 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: North for the record, let me get a
12:07:57 scenario. Council asked the chair, whoever the chair is, to
12:08:00 send a letter.
12:08:01 Butt then whoever that chairperson is makes the letter but
12:08:05 before he or she can send it review by council members?
12:08:10 Is that what we are asking?
12:08:13 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Yes, if a letter is being sent and sent
12:08:18 for all council members and we are making a statement, I
12:08:20 would like to know what the letter says before it goes out.
12:08:24 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: All right.
12:08:24 Then we are going to apply that to department heads and
12:08:28 everyone coming in?
12:08:30 >> What do you mean department heads?
12:08:31 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Well, I see things happening here -- and
12:08:34 I have no comment on that -- but what I am saying is, in
12:08:38 this case you are asking this chair, before he sends a
12:08:41 letter out, so then I have got to distribute -- I just want
12:08:44 to know the process.
12:08:46 I have to distribute the letter.
12:08:47 I have to wait back for comment from six council members to
12:08:51 okay the letter.
12:08:52 I can't do it for one.
12:08:53 And then that letter will go out the next council meeting
12:08:56 which is approved by council because everyone reviewed the
12:08:59 Am I correct?
12:09:02 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I think Councilman Cohen can state it.
12:09:05 >>HARRY COHEN: I think actually she's trying to make it
12:09:08 easier on you not harder, and if a council member is going
12:09:11 to bring in a request that, that they should distribute a
12:09:14 draft beforehand.
12:09:16 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I appreciate that very much.
12:09:17 I really do.
12:09:17 I just wanted it clear in my head.
12:09:21 Thank you, Mr. Cohen, for your direction there.
12:09:22 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Mr. Vice chair.
12:09:27 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Mrs. Mulhern or anyone else?
12:09:29 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I have one question.
12:09:31 In relation to what Mrs. Montelione was just saying, in
12:09:33 relation to what you were bringing up, Mr. Shelby, is that
12:09:39 on things that are -- and that would be, I think as you
12:09:42 mentioned, ministerial or, you know, there's no wait behind
12:09:47 Because we are not putting in a resolution.
12:09:50 We are talking about a letter.
12:09:51 It's a little different.
12:09:53 Are you suggesting that it be provided to the public to
12:09:56 comment on prior to us sending it out?
12:10:01 Or are you saying that when someone makes a motion to send a
12:10:05 letter, let's site to our legislative delegation, or the
12:10:08 governor or something else, that that letter be brought back
12:10:11 to the next regular session so that it can be commented on?
12:10:17 I mean, I guess it's either/or.
12:10:22 >>MARTIN SHELBY: It is and either or, and it is council's
12:10:25 ultimate decision.
12:10:26 However, I would just state that a letter stating a position
12:10:32 of the City Council, which is done by a motion and vote, is
12:10:37 not necessarily ministerial.
12:10:39 It is actually a substantive policy.
12:10:42 It may not be in the form of a resolution but is being
12:10:46 communicated ate this form of government, this legislative
12:10:49 body, under the letterhead signed by the chair stating what
12:10:53 the City Council's policy is or position is.
12:10:55 So it is best to be able to, as I said, give notice,
12:11:03 obviously, to the City Council members so they are not
12:11:07 forced to make a decision being given a piece of paper
12:11:09 immediately, nor some situation giving direction to the
12:11:13 chair and then allowing the chair to craft a letter and go
12:11:16 out under signature without you having seen it.
12:11:18 The best practice would be if it's not time sensitive to
12:11:22 actually -- and the only caveat I have in all of that, which
12:11:28 is that the way I look at the letters that we write
12:11:31 specifically, on issues that either concern us directly or
12:11:35 indirectly, because we have done both, is that I look at it
12:11:41 as more of what they do in Congress when they, you know,
12:11:45 insert something in the congressional record, the sense of
12:11:48 the Congress is this, it is not in any way have weight of
12:11:52 law, or even weight of any contained of direction other than
12:11:58 asking for a position that we have all together agreed to
12:12:03 publicly and voted on.
12:12:04 So that's why I have a little bit of, you know, confusion as
12:12:07 to why would it have to be brought back?
12:12:10 That's the only reason I look at it, because we bring it up
12:12:15 publicly, we mention it.
12:12:17 There may not be any discussion.
12:12:18 It may be something that we all agree to, and we provide a
12:12:21 letter to the delegation or to the governor, whoever else.
12:12:27 I think that on its face is the public part of it.
12:12:32 Now, I don't know if that goes against what the state
12:12:38 statute is saying or if it's just an in-between thing.
12:12:41 Again I don't have a problem either way.
12:12:43 But it just seems not that it provides an additional amount,
12:12:47 but there is time frame issues.
12:12:48 I think at times, you know, we have had constituents come to
12:12:52 us and ask us to, you know, bring it up before council.
12:12:57 Usually those are fairly simple things, because there is no
12:13:00 weight of law.
12:13:01 There's no weight of ordinance or resolution.
12:13:03 And, in fact, those constituents that come to me and say, I
12:13:06 want a resolution from the council to say this.
12:13:09 I usually tell them, I won't put a resolution forward.
12:13:12 But I will ask for a letter from our council saying we agree
12:13:18 with this position, or we would like this other body to look
12:13:21 at something that we think is important.
12:13:25 Again, you know, I guess it depends on what that issue is in
12:13:31 I can maaing a determination whether or not we should go
12:13:32 forward or have a letter presented prior to the fact, you
12:13:36 So, anyway, I think that Mrs. Montelione's point is well
12:13:42 I'm not sure how we are going to put it into our rules of
12:13:45 >>MARTIN SHELBY: If I may make a suggestion, Mr. Chairman?
12:13:54 You don't have it to really amend your rules unless you wish
12:13:57 But you could make it a practice of this council as a
12:13:59 courtesy to your members that if you are intending to bring
12:14:02 something before council for consideration that you would
12:14:05 didn't it at least 24 hours in advance to the members so at
12:14:10 least they will be able to have reflected upon it before you
12:14:13 have to vote on it.
12:14:15 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Let me just say that I agree with you.
12:14:17 I agree with the input from different members.
12:14:19 When you read that letter it's not just one member to
12:14:22 another member.
12:14:22 It's all seven members.
12:14:23 I get with that openness.
12:14:25 And if I may go to Mr. Reddick and Ms. Mulhern.
12:14:28 I'm running short of time and I want to give the public all
12:14:31 the due time they will need.
12:14:32 >>FRANK REDDICK: Mr. Chair, you know, there are times
12:14:37 when -- and time sensitive issues, because when we had an
12:14:44 issue recent limit where we were talking about in
12:14:54 Tallahassee, the issue came up based on the mayor submitted
12:15:00 a letter.
12:15:01 They wanted council to submit one, and get it back next
12:15:05 I mean, I wouldn't have time to send something 24 hours in
12:15:11 advance and everybody see this.
12:15:13 You know, the thing that -- and I have seen it in most other
12:15:16 government agencies -- they have given discretion to the
12:15:20 chair to write the letter and submit it.
12:15:31 Of that happens in most government agencies.
12:15:34 All the tame, when the commission was saying, Mr. Chair,
12:15:37 write the letter and send it on behalf of the commission.
12:15:43 And the same thing.
12:15:44 We have done that.
12:15:45 And I have got copies of the letter that the chair has sent
12:15:49 out, and I think all of us have.
12:15:52 And, I am mean, we make things more difficult than it should
12:15:59 And if we go 5, it will be 10.
12:16:07 So I want to keep it as simple as possible.
12:16:11 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Ms. Mulhern?
12:16:12 >>MARY MULHERN: (off record) I want to hear from the
12:16:16 >>MARTIN SHELBY: If I could add one more thing about Mr.
12:16:19 Reddick said because it's rather important.
12:16:21 There's an attorney general's opinion and it's been subject,
12:16:24 can council vote on something that's not on the agenda?
12:16:27 Or does the public meetings law require something to have to
12:16:30 be on the agenda and N advance of the meeting before you can
12:16:32 vote on it?
12:16:33 And the answer is clearly no.
12:16:35 It doesn't.
12:16:36 Your agenda has been noticed.
12:16:38 You have given notice of the time, place of your public
12:16:43 meeting and you can add things and amend your agenda.
12:16:45 You are not locked into what's on the agenda.
12:16:47 The other thing is the last section of this new section
12:16:50 states Florida statute, and action taken by the board or
12:16:54 commission which is found to be in violation of this section
12:16:57 is not void as a result of that violation.
12:17:00 So basically, it really doesn't have any legal practical
12:17:04 effects on what you have passed.
12:17:08 So in terms of that, the only thing I would suggest with
12:17:11 regard to pro bowl, time is of the essence.
12:17:17 If you want to be in full compliance with Tampa spirit of
12:17:20 this law, you would just say, is there anybody in the public
12:17:22 who wants to comment before we vote on it?
12:17:25 And then vote on it and that one resolve the issue entirely.
12:17:29 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
12:17:30 We go to public comments.
12:17:31 Anyone in the audience care to speak for three minutes on
12:17:33 any item on the agenda?
12:17:34 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Well, I have other rules of procedure.
12:17:46 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Oh, I'm sorry.
12:17:47 Let's continue then.
12:17:52 All right.
12:17:54 We'll bring that up again.
12:18:01 >> Good morning.
12:18:04 Spencer Kass, Virginia park neighborhood association.
12:18:06 I want to thank you for having a meeting to discuss the
12:18:09 L.E.D. lighting and I hope you can really understand the
12:18:11 public's frustration at this point with what's been going
12:18:15 First of all, the city did the lighting audit I believe in
12:18:19 2005 whereof they talked about areas that don't have their
12:18:21 fair share of streetlighting.
12:18:22 And since then we have decided a fair share of
12:18:26 streetlighting because none of us want to see any
12:18:29 neighborhood, we want to see them get lighting just like
12:18:32 everybody else.
12:18:33 When it comes to the L.E.D.s, this goes all the way back
12:18:36 to the franchise agreement that has been negotiated.
12:18:40 We ask that L.E.D. be added on.
12:18:43 We were told built administration at the time, the franchise
12:18:48 Now here we are years and years later.
12:18:51 I can tell you the county advisory committee that I have
12:18:53 been on, we have been pushing very hard on TECO to get this
12:18:56 information on L.E.D. streetlights.
12:18:59 But the issue we have now is that TECO, the energy
12:19:01 provider -- and I have nothing against them, that's their
12:19:04 job, their job is to provide energy -- to give you what the
12:19:09 cheapest force for you to use to, why it's like going to a
12:19:13 gas station and saying, is that an energy efficient car or
12:19:17 And every time they do their study they say oh, the energy
12:19:21 efficient car -- that's basically what TECO has done.
12:19:26 This is one of the largest L.E.D. suppliers.
12:19:28 This is their 100 watt replacement.
12:19:34 100 watt replacement L.E.D. streetlights.
12:19:37 It costs $99.
12:19:39 I have their press release here.
12:19:41 Says $99.
12:19:43 The payback period on it one year.
12:19:45 Not ten years.
12:19:48 And just so we are aware, this L.E.D. streetlight has a ten
12:19:52 year warranty.
12:19:52 But let's they are completely wrong in their calculation,
12:19:55 not a one-year, but eights two-year payback period, they are
12:19:59 off by a factor of 50%.
12:20:01 Tampa that's just four years getting a 25% rate of return on
12:20:05 your investment?
12:20:06 Now the city according do what be we heard has 20,000 watts,
12:20:13 if the numbers are right you are getting back $2 million a
12:20:15 year as a rate of return on your investment.
12:20:19 If they are wrong, by 50% it's $Z 1 million.
12:20:25 Now TECO says we have top go through the public utility
12:20:28 commission and if you want to buy these.
12:20:29 I spoke to TECO.
12:20:31 And what I can tell, there's no requirement that you have to
12:20:33 buy your streetlights through TECO.
12:20:35 You can buy them straight.
12:20:37 Out don't have to gone through the public service utility
12:20:41 What I would advise is stop signing a ten year contract,
12:20:44 because that's not helping anybody with anything.
12:20:46 I mean, you are gist tying up for ten years.
12:20:50 If you have to put a more tomorrow, stop what you are doing
12:20:54 now, because let's say after a year or two years you could
12:21:02 throw them in the garbage.
12:21:03 Bull I would just encourage you to stop wasting time and
12:21:07 consider it.
12:21:07 Thank you.
12:21:09 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much, sir.
12:21:11 Next, please.
12:21:12 >> Good afternoon.
12:21:14 I'm Susan Glickman, for clean energy, also a property owner
12:21:20 in Tampa.
12:21:21 Am I correct that we are no longer on television?
12:21:24 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: No, you are on television.
12:21:25 >> Okay.
12:21:26 I tried to understand what you were doing.
12:21:32 I really asked to be here because normally I wake up every
12:21:35 day to fight climate change and now hear to fight about
12:21:40 There are two things that I want to mention.
12:21:42 And actually the gentleman before metropolitan sort of
12:21:44 alluded to this issue of state policy and policy that you
12:21:49 need to be considering what's going on, on the conservation,
12:21:52 goal setting process, the public energy efficient act, and I
12:22:00 have some questions, and I'm very sorry that TECO left the
12:22:04 room because there are some questions that you need to be
12:22:06 asking about why they are not including streetlighting and
12:22:08 the potential study that they are putting FAD now for the
12:22:12 conservation goal setting.
12:22:13 By law it happens once every five years.
12:22:15 And then the second piece of that, which has been the gold
12:22:21 standard, there's a company right across the bay, in Tampa
12:22:24 Bay, that I believe -- and I have been doing this work now
12:22:27 for 14 years, and the L.E.D. lighting, because they have a
12:22:31 current low voltage that works over long distances that can
12:22:35 actually change the cost potential. Anyway, I am going to
12:22:38 mention those things.
12:22:39 So let I won't be here too long.
12:22:44 Why aren't they looking at this?
12:22:46 It was alluded to earlier you would be naive to not
12:22:49 understand the utility business model. If they make a
12:22:51 guaranteed rate of return on what they spent, and they don't
12:22:54 make money helping TECO use better energy.
12:22:56 So you need to be looking at that.
12:22:58 I have no way to comment on some of those numbers because I
12:23:00 don't know what those are.
12:23:02 So I think the City Council would be perfect lip appropriate
12:23:05 to ask for stakeholders who actually have technical
12:23:09 expertise, the southern alliance for clean energy, I lobby
12:23:12 in the legislature, we intervene at proceedings, we go toe
12:23:16 to toe with utilities and utility planning process.
12:23:18 I too was incredibly disappointed at the city performance
12:23:22 when it came to the franchise agreement B.even the simplest
12:23:25 things the city was unwilling to hang in there.
12:23:28 I heard TECO's person at the county sustainability the other
12:23:33 day and he said that Florida was a leader in energy
12:23:36 efficiency and that's absolutely untrue.
12:23:37 There are 17 states with a percentage and a half annually of
12:23:43 Florida is .25 to .35 because they are at different places.
12:23:47 There's so much more.
12:23:48 The first thing utilities do is deploy a two-year payback.
12:23:52 So the leaders in the country to get a percentage, or
12:23:55 percentage and a half of savings, 626 to 83% utilities and
12:24:01 TECO is one of them takes off the table.
12:24:03 There is so much more what weak do with the low hanging
12:24:06 fruit, so streetlighting should be part of Tampa Electric
12:24:08 Company's potential technical, potential study in the
12:24:13 process, and I think that's something you should ask for.
12:24:16 And one more thing I will wrap up is that I asked, it is a
12:24:20 little unfair to follow the November pilot.
12:24:22 I had asked you to invite stakeholders to the table and I
12:24:25 want to make sure that you all talk to -- they have taken
12:24:30 all the electronics out of the L.E.D.
12:24:32 I will wrap up.
12:24:33 Making it much less expensive to have all the power supply
12:24:34 at the bottom of the pole, and that makes maintenance
12:24:42 And it's new.
12:24:43 And one thing they did say is the technology is changing.
12:24:46 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'm sorry.
12:24:46 >> No problem.
12:24:47 Thank you very much.
12:24:49 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
12:24:50 We appreciate it very much.
12:24:51 Next, please.
12:24:54 >> Susan Long, 920 east broad.
12:25:00 I don't have the technical information for the L.E.D.s but
12:25:03 I will tell you this.
12:25:04 I know they last infinitely longer than the regular ones.
12:25:10 I also know that they give off better light for larger
12:25:14 And I look at the street lights on my street that cover
12:25:22 circle that gets up, it's pitch black, and I think wouldn't
12:25:26 it be Nace if one L.E.D. light so we can actually seat the
12:25:31 three or four spaces? Given the little bit of information
12:25:35 that I do have return on investment on L.E.D.s it's huge
12:25:39 compared to the lights we think currently use.
12:25:41 I seal no reason that you have to look at ten years.
12:25:44 Buy them up front.
12:25:49 And with the energy savings they are, the claim of one year
12:25:52 return on investment, probably two years.
12:25:59 Be a pessimist and go four years.
12:26:03 It's still better than what we are doing now.
12:26:05 But my other comment to switch gears.
12:26:07 I want to talk about cameras just briefly.
12:26:09 We have all these cameras that are utilized predominantly
12:26:12 but not exclusively downtown.
12:26:15 Those are not the major areas, major crime areas.
12:26:18 Why don't you put some where we have the prostitutes and the
12:26:23 drug dealers?
12:26:24 Why don't you put some in some of the other neighborhoods
12:26:26 that are having difficulties with crime?
12:26:28 Because those cameras, if they are well advertised, will
12:26:31 deter a lot of that.
12:26:34 We have them.
12:26:34 They work.
12:26:35 Let's use them for something productive.
12:26:37 Thank you.
12:26:39 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you so very much.
12:26:41 Ms. Montelione?
12:26:43 I'm sorry, I apologize to you.
12:26:45 >>LISA MONTELIONE: That's okay.
12:26:48 I understand.
12:26:50 The notes that I had made, some of them refer back to when
12:26:53 we had the strategic planning session.
12:26:59 And we did as attorney Shelby mentioned, we made change in
12:27:06 the order of our regular meeting.
12:27:09 So I just want to say that I think that is great, and I
12:27:13 think we should continue it and I think we should make it
12:27:17 I also think that with the public comment like we just had
12:27:21 now with the workshop meeting, it probably would have been
12:27:24 helpful to hear from Mrs. Glickman before the TECO workshop.
12:27:29 So I would like to discuss and talk about it, and think
12:27:33 about how we can change the public comments on workshop
12:27:39 I think that, I personally think it should be done similar
12:27:43 to the way we do regular meetings where we have an agenda
12:27:45 item, and if you want to speak on that agenda item, that you
12:27:49 are free to do so.
12:27:55 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: If that's the way we feel, no problem
12:27:57 with that. At the end of each one.
12:27:59 But public comment --
12:28:02 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I think we used to do that.
12:28:07 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Well, the problem if you lead this at the
12:28:10 end of each workshop does that mean each individual or each
12:28:13 workshop session?
12:28:14 So it's very confusing.
12:28:15 So I think if you want that done, workshop 4, 5 or 6, public
12:28:20 comment --
12:28:22 >>LISA MONTELIONE: After each one.
12:28:23 So people who want to talk on that topic don't have to stay
12:28:26 to the end.
12:28:29 So I make that in the form of a motion.
12:28:34 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: As soon as we finish with the
12:28:37 suggestions, I am going to go back and ask the public to
12:28:42 I don't want anyone coming here --
12:28:45 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Got it.
12:28:46 Something else that I would like to have council think about
12:28:48 is, it hasn't happened recently, but there have been times
12:28:52 when wave more than two ceremonial items in the morning
12:28:57 where people are giving commendations or receiving
12:29:00 commendations, that sort of thing.
12:29:02 I would like to ask to limit that to two, especially on
12:29:05 regular days, because I think once we had like four on a
12:29:10 regular agenda, and we didn't actually end up getting to our
12:29:14 business portion of the meeting till, now, close to 10:30.
12:29:19 And it's not on -- if you look at page 3 of our rules, and
12:29:24 the order of our regular meeting, ceremonial isn't even on
12:29:29 this list.
12:29:30 It goes invocation, pledge, roll call, adoption, approval of
12:29:33 agenda, public comment, request of public reconsideration of
12:29:37 There isn't a space for ceremonial on our list at all.
12:29:44 So I would suggest, A, we put in the there, and, B, we limit
12:29:47 to the two.
12:29:49 That's my second point that hi wanted to make.
12:29:54 And I think we already made those.
12:30:00 I will offer this as well.
12:30:01 If there is a time where it is time sensitive and we need to
12:30:05 do commendations maybe we can add it to the night meetings
12:30:08 when we have land use meetings scheduled for that evening,
12:30:14 that month.
12:30:15 Maybe we can do a ceremonial there if there's the need for
12:30:23 And then the last thing that I made reference to earlier
12:30:26 today, when Jaya and Adam were here, is I have been getting
12:30:33 a lot of requests from the public on alternative methods for
12:30:38 them to participate publicly in our meeting.
12:30:43 And, you know, the technology is such where I think we need
12:30:49 to move forward, we need to look at other options, and if we
12:30:53 don't, we will anti-quate ourselves and be so far behind.
12:30:59 So a lot of meetings, a lot of citizens who want to
12:31:02 participate but simply cannot get here at 9:00 a.m.
12:31:05 And, you know, they send e-mails, or they can send letters,
12:31:09 or they just call our offices and translate what they want
12:31:15 to say and give it to us so now we are getting into a third
12:31:19 I want to have -- to have us take a serious look at ways for
12:31:24 people to give a of three-minute public comment, either, you
12:31:29 know, by Skype, or some other technological means.
12:31:34 I have got tango on my phone and I talk face to face with
12:31:39 people all over the country in realtime, there's no
12:31:41 buffering, it's like they are there in the room.
12:31:43 And I think it's something that we really seriously need to
12:31:46 consider and start looking at.
12:31:50 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: We go to the public on those three items
12:31:52 that were brought up by Mrs. Montelione.
12:31:54 Does anyone want to speak on those items?
12:31:56 Please come forward.
12:31:57 Anyone in the back row want to come speak on those items,
12:32:00 please come forward.
12:32:01 Anyone in the front row?
12:32:03 Anyone in the dais?
12:32:05 Mr. Cohen.
12:32:05 >>HARRY COHEN: So Councilman Montelione made three points.
12:32:08 Let me very briefly give my two cents on them.
12:32:11 I'm sure everyone else will do the same.
12:32:14 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I need an additional 15 minutes.
12:32:18 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Motion by Mrs. Montelione, second by Mr.
12:32:21 All in favor of the motion?
12:32:24 15 minutes.
12:32:24 >>HARRY COHEN: On the issue of the workshop public
12:32:27 comments, I think that's feign to clarify that and to make
12:32:30 sure that the comments are concurrent with the workshop.
12:32:33 On the commendation limits, my view is that's only been a
12:32:36 problem than on AP very few occasions.
12:32:40 I do think, however, that we have had a problem in confusing
12:32:44 ceremonial activities with substantive activities.
12:32:46 And the fact of the matter is a commendation or ceremonial
12:32:50 activity should only last a few minutes.
12:32:52 It shouldn't go on for an hour.
12:32:54 Now, I have personally thought's presentation was very, very
12:32:59 interesting and I enjoyed of the.
12:33:01 I enjoyed the MPO and I look forward to it when it comes
12:33:05 back to the Mon but it was under ceremonial activities.
12:33:08 And really substantive matters should not in are not where
12:33:14 they should be. If there's not a place for them, then we
12:33:16 need to find a place for them so we can better calibrate
12:33:20 what our agenda is going to look like in the morning.
12:33:22 The second issue if we are going to limit the number of
12:33:25 commendations which means we will limit the number we will
12:33:27 do in any given month, it's then got to be divided equally
12:33:33 among council members.
12:33:34 You have to make sure that everybody has the same
12:33:36 opportunity to schedule the commendations that are important
12:33:40 to them.
12:33:40 My view is we should leave that alone.
12:33:42 It not been that big of a problem and just use our own
12:33:46 discretion in trying to set those equitably.
12:33:50 On the third issue, I have to have see more.
12:33:52 But I do have some concerns about opening them up at public
12:33:56 comments, all different forms of electronic participation,
12:34:00 particularly we are going to have to have a broader
12:34:04 discussion about that, I think, to be see where that's
12:34:07 really going to go.
12:34:07 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Can I make a comment about what
12:34:17 Councilman Cohen said about this morning and the order?
12:34:20 There is literally, on our regular meetings, there is no
12:34:25 ceremonial or commendation item on there.
12:34:28 >>MIKE SUAREZ: You are right because today is not a regular
12:34:34 If you look at the conduct of business or rule 5-I, it does
12:34:39 state specifically that the commendations are done
12:34:42 ceremonial activities are done at the workshop.
12:34:45 That's the only time that we have them scheduled.
12:34:48 It's in our rules already.
12:34:49 I agree with Councilman Cohen and what he says, which is I
12:34:53 don't think that there's been a big problem with ceremonial
12:34:56 for the first partly.
12:34:57 So I disagree with putting it anywhere else.
12:35:01 Because it's not on a regular meeting.
12:35:03 It shouldn't be a regular meeting.
12:35:04 It's only a workshop.
12:35:05 That's the first thing.
12:35:06 The second thing back to your point about public input, hear
12:35:11 is the problem that we have with other types of electronic
12:35:16 issues when it comes to that, which is, we are then put
12:35:22 upon, and there may be some legal issues concerning this.
12:35:24 We are put upon to provide TV Avenue and the platform of
12:35:29 which the public comment is made.
12:35:34 For example, if someone says I wasn't able to get on public
12:35:37 comment on Skype, and you have advertised it, Skype is a way
12:35:40 for me to be a participant and we have a technical problem,
12:35:44 they could rightfully say, you have denied me the
12:35:47 opportunity to be part of the public comment.
12:35:51 I think we open ourselves up to something else that we don't
12:35:54 know about yet.
12:35:55 I mean, that may be a legal issue that we have not provided.
12:35:59 Part of the problem -- and we have seen this with other
12:36:02 politicians where they'll have a town hall meeting where the
12:36:06 questions are recorded or brought in, and then they are
12:36:10 presented to whoever it is.
12:36:12 Are we screening those calls?
12:36:14 Are we screening that access?
12:36:18 We could put ourselves into a lot more thorny legal position
12:36:23 by doing that.
12:36:24 I think that having public comment from all kinds of avenues
12:36:28 is a great idea.
12:36:30 But I do think that there are a lot of things we need to
12:36:32 work out first before we present that.
12:36:34 I agree with Mr. Cohen.
12:36:36 If we are going to talk about it, we need to talk about it
12:36:39 openly and let's figures out what we can do, because I could
12:36:42 ever see some real issues down the pike where we might have
12:36:47 100 people that want to get on board and we have another 100
12:36:51 people here, we are going to be doing public comment for a
12:36:53 long time.
12:36:54 And so -- well, now what?
12:36:58 I have got to say that when you start talking about public
12:37:00 comment and you start advertising it to what you mean by
12:37:04 public comment, it's sort of like in science where, you
12:37:08 know, it will fill in.
12:37:19 I really believe that, especially when it comes to thornier
12:37:22 issues that we have to deal with and it limits the amount of
12:37:25 time that we as a group get a chance to talk and go over
12:37:29 We want the public input but it's difficult to do everything
12:37:32 Think about all that we have to do now on quasi-judicial.
12:37:39 And I can foresee that there's a lot of people out there of
12:37:42 that have got a lot of ways to communicate with us
12:37:46 We just need to look at it very carefully before we go
12:37:50 That's all I have to say.
12:37:51 Thank you, chair.
12:37:52 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Ms. Mulhern?
12:37:53 >>MARY MULHERN: It just occurred to be me that we wouldn't
12:37:55 have TPD here with their taser.
12:38:02 Public comments, which -- not appropriate.
12:38:06 I am not even going to weigh in on that H.I am going to stay
12:38:08 out of that discussion.
12:38:09 But I do have to leave because I have to eat.
12:38:16 And we don't need to do anything to make our meetings
12:38:19 I do think that the presentation this morning, though,
12:38:24 should have been under the workshop agenda, not under
12:38:27 Because a workshop -- and I also want to tell this council
12:38:32 or remind this council than we used to have special
12:38:36 discussion meetings for some things that weren't necessarily
12:38:43 going to have a quorum, that were things that were not
12:38:46 necessarily going to be legislative or policy, they were
12:38:49 just informational.
12:38:51 So --
12:38:53 >> We have had them and nobody shows up.
12:38:55 >>MARY MULHERN: But I think it would have been personally
12:38:59 fine to have them.
12:38:59 I adopt notch why it's under ceremonial as part of the
12:39:04 And I just wanted to say that I am going to hold my motion
12:39:08 about the L.E.D. lights for our next meeting.
12:39:10 I'll make it next week after I have had some time to process
12:39:15 the public comments, and figure out how we can make that
12:39:20 most productive.
12:39:20 >>LISA MONTELIONE: And quickly, it's hilarious to me to
12:39:32 have been say the presentation this morning should have been
12:39:34 on workshop because fish you la at the agenda it's all
12:39:36 scheduled for the 9:00 a.m.
12:39:37 So it's just a word moving, from one place to another, which
12:39:42 is another problem that I have with how we schedule things,
12:39:45 and we talked about this before, how, you know, you have got
12:39:49 six things scheduled for 9 a.m.
12:39:51 It's not physically possible to hear all six at the same
12:39:53 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: If I may at this time go to information
12:39:55 reports and then go back to the public for closing comments
12:39:57 from them, and then we can take up whatever information that
12:40:01 you would like to vote on when we go to information.
12:40:04 Mr. Suarez, any information or new business?
12:40:08 >>MIKE SUAREZ: No.
12:40:11 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Ms. Mulhern?
12:40:12 Mr. Chairman Cohen?
12:40:13 >>HARRY COHEN: Yes, Mr. Chair.
12:40:14 I would like to request City Council to present their
12:40:20 recommendations and analysis at our first budget public
12:40:23 hearing on September 9th at 5:01 p.m.
12:40:26 >> Second.
12:40:27 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Motion by Mr. Cohen.
12:40:28 Second by Mr. Suarez.
12:40:29 All in favor of the motion please indicate by saying aye.
12:40:31 Opposed nay.
12:40:32 The ayes have it unanimously.
12:40:34 Anything else?
12:40:35 >>HARRY COHEN: No thank you.
12:40:37 >>LISA MONTELIONE: No, sir.
12:40:38 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: We go to public comments.
12:40:39 Anyone in the public care to comment?
12:40:43 >> I'm Ed actual Lou from Sulphur Springs.
12:41:07 I had to leave.
12:41:08 But, anyway, I originally came that I thought there would be
12:41:15 something I could swing in my direct examination but there
12:41:17 But that's okay because -- oh, okay, good.
12:41:29 Transportation was brought up.
12:41:33 And this is about Courtney Campbell that has a walkway for
12:41:39 biking and walking.
12:41:41 So that might be a first step to getting people out of their
12:41:45 cars, which I think Mr. Miranda referred to in a past
12:41:52 It's sort of like these cars are part of their body, and
12:41:59 that's what you are working against.
12:42:01 And that was brought up during a discussion of item 3.
12:42:04 Stanford is kind of nice.
12:42:06 I graduated from there.
12:42:08 It's supposed to be the Harvard of the west.
12:42:12 Which I think is putting it down a little bit.
12:42:14 But the thing with Stanford is they have the jargon and the
12:42:21 At such point they do break with that and actually start
12:42:24 seeing things.
12:42:25 And the guy's thing about sports is kind of interesting, I
12:42:28 But in any event, the thing is, a word was there that I hung
12:42:35 The woman brought it up.
12:42:36 It was appropriate technology.
12:42:39 And the person that really started disseminating that term
12:42:43 first was Dr. Eccleberger in civil engineering at USF.
12:42:53 And that meeting on Thursday, I think, last week, the
12:42:57 brochures that went out on it are a little bit confusing.
12:43:00 It seemed like it was just going to be a meeting of people
12:43:03 to talk among themselves like a board, a council or
12:43:07 It didn't seem lake it wags a public thing.
12:43:09 Sole I missed it.
12:43:11 But what's called for is those railroad tracks, the trail
12:43:16 leads back to Jacksonville, and the program I want to enlist
12:43:20 in the NBA program is transportation, logistics and it's
12:43:26 very close to CSX, multiple diesel units on those tracks
12:43:30 would make people from north Tampa and USF could be downtown
12:43:37 Tampa in 15 minutes.
12:43:39 Metro rapid seems to work halfway decently.
12:43:46 The stops are bathed in sunlight in the morning on one side
12:43:49 of the street and nature on the other side so there's a need
12:43:52 for Mediterranean, not palm trees.
12:43:54 Something that has some shade.
12:43:58 So, anyway, I would keep working on that.
12:44:01 But, anyway, this is enough for now.
12:44:04 I got my three minutes.
12:44:05 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
12:44:06 >> Motion to receive and file.
12:44:09 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Motion to receive and file by the Mr.
12:44:11 Seconded by Mr. Suarez.
12:44:15 All in favor of the motion please indicate by saying aye.
12:44:17 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I'm sorry to interrupt.
12:44:24 So the record is clear council member Mulhern's motion
12:44:28 regarding the L.E.D.s was redesigned and accepted by
12:44:31 unanimous consent, to be reintroduced at a later date.
12:44:35 Number one.
12:44:36 The second thing is I am going to ask council to direct me
12:44:38 to bring back minor changes to reflect the changes of
12:44:43 Florida statute.
12:44:44 >> So moved.
12:44:46 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Motion by Mr. Suarez.
12:44:47 Second by Mr. Cohen.
12:44:48 All in favor of the motion? Opposed?
12:44:49 The ayes have it unanimously.
12:44:51 In addition else to come before this council?
12:44:53 We stand adjourned.
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