Tampa City Council
Thursday, January 9, 2014
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09:07:22 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: City Council is called to order.
09:07:28 The chair yields to Yvonne Yolie Capin.
09:07:32 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Thank you, Mr. Chair.
09:07:33 I would like to introduce Elder Reed Jr. who currently
09:07:39 serves as associate minister at Grace Mary Missionary
09:07:43 Baptist Church under elder Dr. Thomas J. Reed, pastor.
09:07:48 He also served of the golf course union, a Sunday
09:07:53 schoolteacher of youth, and youth young adults, and a choir
09:07:57 member and musician of the church.
09:07:58 Elder Reed was born and raised in Tampa and is a graduate of
09:08:02 Hillsborough High school.
09:08:03 He has attended Hillsborough Community College at mayor
09:08:14 Bible college, president of a company that specializes in
09:08:18 home security and management.
09:08:19 Elder Reed is married and the father of three children and
09:08:23 one grandchild.
09:08:24 Please rise for the invocation and our pledge of allegiance.
09:08:28 >> Let us pray.
09:08:32 O God, we come this morning with a humble spirit, a thankful
09:08:40 We are thankful today, God, because once again you have
09:08:43 afforded us life, health and strength.
09:08:47 Father, we come thanking you, God, for this new year 2014.
09:08:53 We thank you for bringing us through 2013, Lord, and to this
09:08:58 Father, we thank you for this opportunity to stand before
09:09:00 you and before this great body here, Lord.
09:09:05 We pray now, Lord, that you will bless us as we go forward
09:09:09 into this 2014 year.
09:09:12 Bless this City Council, Lord, its members.
09:09:16 Bless our mayor, our fire chief, police chief and all that
09:09:21 it takes to make up this city government body.
09:09:24 Lord God, we just pray that you would give us guidance and
09:09:27 understanding in the things that we would do for you, God.
09:09:32 And we just say a special prayer for the people of this
09:09:34 city, Lord God.
09:09:36 Bless us and keep us together.
09:09:37 Keep us together in harmony and in piece peace, Lord, we
09:09:43 All these blessings we ask in your son Jesus' name.
09:09:47 [ Pledge of Allegiance ]
09:09:53 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Roll call.
09:10:09 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Here.
09:10:13 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Present.
09:10:13 >>FRANK REDDICK: Here.
09:10:19 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Here.
09:10:20 I have two letters.
09:10:21 One from council member Harry Cohen, please be advised I
09:10:24 will be unable to attend the City Council meeting on
09:10:27 Thursday, January 9, 2014.
09:10:28 I will be out of the city due to emergent family matters.
09:10:32 And council member Mary Mulhern, please be advised they'll
09:10:35 be out of town on Thursday, January 9th, and unable to
09:10:38 attend the council meeting.
09:10:40 I need a motion to receive and file.
09:10:42 I have a motion by Mr. Suarez, second by Mr. Reddick.
09:10:45 All in favor of the motion? Nay?
09:10:47 Tampa ayes have it unanimously.
09:10:50 I need approval of the agenda and the addendum.
09:10:54 I have a motion by Mr. Suarez.
09:10:55 I have a second by Mr. Reddick.
09:10:57 Further discussion by council members?
09:10:58 All in favor of the motion please indicate by saying aye.
09:11:01 Opposed nay.
09:11:01 The ayes have it unanimously.
09:11:04 We have public comments from anyone in the audience who
09:11:07 would care to speak to this council for three minutes.
09:11:09 Please come forward.
09:11:11 And I appreciate the morning prayer, and I know Chief
09:11:20 Forward, you have to be go forward, not backward.
09:11:23 Anyone to speak on the agenda or off the agenda, please come
09:11:26 >> Pete Johnson, 410 Harrison street.
09:11:55 I noticed in the paper that the state of the city is coming
09:12:03 Unfortunately not to the public but only to the elite.
09:12:08 And at a cost.
09:12:11 I would think that it would come to the public first, and
09:12:14 then to a private entity.
09:12:17 Anyway, item number 2 and 3, handing out a note here.
09:12:35 Risk management.
09:12:35 When we have an accident in the city, the city employee is
09:12:38 not taken off of the driver if they have an accident in a
09:12:44 city vehicle, those privileges are not removed until an
09:12:47 investigation is completed.
09:12:50 I'm sorry, but a vehicle is as bad as a TPD bullet.
09:12:55 So I think we need to put in some guidelines there.
09:13:04 Establishing rental inspections.
09:13:09 Met an 80-year-old man this weekend in an apartment house
09:13:13 that had no heat.
09:13:16 The poor man was freezing his kazoos off.
09:13:20 I put him in on my limited income into the orange motel for
09:13:25 $45 for one night.
09:13:29 Code can't into the apartment because the people have been
09:13:33 told that they will get evicted.
09:13:36 We need to do something about the rental inspections.
09:13:40 We need to inspect all rentals, not just one or two, because
09:13:45 then those two get fixed and all the others are not fixed.
09:13:55 Heat this week was a health situation and it needs to be
09:14:04 I have been an advocate for code for many, many years.
09:14:09 As a matter of fact, today is my 63rd birthday.
09:14:13 I have been at this for over 20 years.
09:14:16 The department, I feel, is the most important department in
09:14:19 the entire city.
09:14:20 However, the department has to have some responsibility to
09:14:27 show whether or not their problem sees is working or not.
09:14:31 At this point, they don't.
09:14:34 Civil citation is a joke.
09:14:38 Once liens are assessed on a property, nothing is done, in a
09:14:43 one goes back and says, hey, la, can we get this corrected?
09:14:48 Remove the liens, do whatever is needed.
09:14:50 People are not taken to court, and violations just continue
09:14:55 and continue and continue.
09:14:56 (Bell sounds)
09:14:58 I have a lot more, but my three minutes are up.
09:15:01 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
09:15:01 I appreciate it.
09:15:02 Next, please.
09:15:03 >> Susan Long, 921 East Broad Street.
09:15:09 As far as rental inspections go, I agree, it should be done
09:15:13 I don't know where you get the money or the people to be do
09:15:16 That's a whole different conversation.
09:15:19 But I also would like to see the inspections be a little bit
09:15:22 more inclusive or detailed.
09:15:25 We had a house across the street from us that every time
09:15:28 they flushed the toilet it went outside, came up all over
09:15:31 the curb.
09:15:32 No one in the rental inspection ever questions the toilets
09:15:35 to be see if they go away as opposed to stay on the
09:15:38 I would like to see that happen and make sure that the water
09:15:42 faucets work and make sure that the light switch works but
09:15:48 they never check to be see if the sewage leaves the
09:15:54 I would like to see that included.
09:15:55 I find that to be a health issue.
09:15:58 For not only the people residing in the house but the people
09:16:01 living nearby.
09:16:02 Recently the house went into foreclosure, came in, did the
09:16:06 whole thing and now everything works the way it should have
09:16:09 in the first place.
09:16:10 The other thing I would like to talk about is leases for
09:16:14 alternative parking, item number 4.
09:16:17 As you know, I live in Seminole Heights.
09:16:19 Many, many of the properties, the buildings are built
09:16:22 virtually to the property limits.
09:16:24 If you require them to have a lease, I don't have a problem
09:16:27 with that.
09:16:28 You have to have a lease, vacant lot next door, one across
09:16:33 the street, or whatever it is.
09:16:35 But to require them -- I mean, parking is just an issue.
09:16:40 And if you turn around and say, you know, you have to have
09:16:44 20 parking spaces for this location.
09:16:46 We have one going in, required to have six parking spaces,
09:16:50 and it has seating for 50 people.
09:16:52 Six parking spaces isn't going to make it.
09:16:54 And yet they have got leases with two properties nearby, and
09:16:59 they are talking about maybe requiring that they can't use
09:17:02 So if one guy sells his property that business is put out of
09:17:06 I don't know how you fix that but those are things that need
09:17:09 to be considered when you do this.
09:17:10 Thank you.
09:17:11 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
09:17:12 Next, please.
09:17:18 >> Frankhauser, Hawthorne road, T.H.A.N. president.
09:17:22 I'm here today to talk to item number 3 in section 4, or
09:17:27 section 4, item 3, whatever way you want to look at it.
09:17:31 The 1,000-foot parking extension for valet parking on
09:17:38 particular facilities, one of the problems that T.H.A.N. has
09:17:41 is that one neighborhood has the restaurant two blocks away
09:17:46 there's another neighborhood who is getting the parking lot,
09:17:49 and they don't get notification when they are doing this
09:17:54 renovation, the bar, whoever is using the lot.
09:17:59 The second neighborhood does not get neighborhood because
09:18:02 it's 250 feet away or whatever the rule is now.
09:18:07 I think that maybe to include that in any kind of an
09:18:10 ordinance would be very good for the neighborhood.
09:18:16 Also, whenever we get to the point of having a business
09:18:22 license, tax type arrangement with the extra hours or
09:18:27 things, I think it should be included in that, so if they do
09:18:32 tear up the lease or not have a lease that is valid, that
09:18:35 they would be able to not be able to do business without
09:18:40 having the correct leases and things like that.
09:18:43 Thank you very much.
09:18:44 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much, sir.
09:18:46 Next, please.
09:18:47 >> I want to thank you all.
09:18:55 Thank God that we are still here, still alive, still
09:19:03 And I just want to read something.
09:19:06 And then I am going to give you all a flyer what I'm all
09:19:09 You all know that I'm Pastor Williams, where you all are
09:19:14 trying to destroy my church,
09:19:18 The church believes in God, and because of separation of
09:19:24 church and state.
09:19:25 The church believes in God.
09:19:30 Churches that believe in.
09:19:38 The church that believe in God, protecting for our children.
09:19:43 The church that believe in God, preach the truth about Jesus
09:19:48 The church that believe in God, want police officers stop
09:19:51 harassing and arresting homeless people.
09:19:54 They have not committed a crime.
09:19:56 The church that believe in God, want the devil, Republican
09:20:00 party, immediately to stop shutting down our government.
09:20:03 The church we believe in God, want the government, the
09:20:10 church that believe in God, keeping the program taken off
09:20:16 the air.
09:20:17 The church that believe in God, want to stop robbing their
09:20:25 customers before Christmas by 10% make 25 billion per year.
09:20:32 Want President Obama and the government to award the victim
09:20:36 of the elementary school one million dollar apiece, total
09:20:43 $26 million.
09:20:45 If the government can give 87 billion of our tax money to
09:20:49 Bank of America, 26 million is nothing but a drop in the
09:20:54 The church that believe in God wants better relationship
09:20:58 with our president of Cuba and the Cuban people.
09:21:01 We would like to visit our brothers and sisters and tell
09:21:04 them about our Lord and savior Jesus Christ.
09:21:07 The church that believe in God, believe in John, for God so
09:21:12 loved the world that he gave his only begotten son that
09:21:16 whoever shall believe in him shall not perish but have
09:21:20 everlasting life.
09:21:22 God bless you all.
09:21:22 >>> Abbye digger.
09:21:31 I'm here to speak on items 3 and 4.
09:21:34 Real quickly on item 3.
09:21:40 To the code enforcement additions and instruction, I would
09:21:48 like to be see a way to make that work with the property,
09:21:55 hold the property owner responsible.
09:21:57 And finding a way that we can reduce the amount of time that
09:22:01 it takes to enforce the code without stepping on the
09:22:06 property rights.
09:22:09 On item 4, the parking issues, number one, I have a question
09:22:15 with regard to be a letter that was received on item A under
09:22:20 number 4.
09:22:23 That's the appropriateness of somebody who is appealing a
09:22:25 decision by this council, making a recommendation before
09:22:29 that appeal has run its course.
09:22:32 On top of that, as to the requirements for valet parking, it
09:22:40 would be nice to see a required traffic study in the
09:22:44 district where the people who are going to be required to do
09:22:47 that come up with a traffic study showing the impact of the
09:22:52 additional traffic moving back and forth to bring cars in
09:22:57 and out in the district, but is not necessarily just the
09:23:02 It's the amount of traffic that's generated through the
09:23:11 additional people on crowded streets of South Howard.
09:23:14 Even North Howard for that matter.
09:23:18 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: For the record the clerk needs your name
09:23:19 for the record.
09:23:20 >> I'm sorry.
09:23:22 John Jones, west Jetton Avenue.
09:23:27 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much, sir.
09:23:27 >> Okay, I'm Ed Tillou from Sulphur Springs.
09:23:37 I had a little bit of a breakdown to go around.
09:23:45 I just happened -- and this is what I will be talking about,
09:23:55 an old issue of national geographic.
09:23:57 And the thing is that from time to time, movies, and the
09:24:06 best movie is -- one is American Hustle which has
09:24:18 Trafficante, Jr., and it's played by Robert De Niro, and
09:24:26 there should be a bronze plaque commemorating but not
09:24:31 commending Santos Trafficante Jr., local businessman, what
09:24:37 years he was here.
09:24:39 Over on 19th and 7th Avenue, catercorner from
09:24:44 Tropicana is where the old Tropicana was, and he used to
09:24:48 hold court.
09:24:49 But in any event, with respect -- very much on this area
09:24:56 because DeSoto was searching for the fountain of youth.
09:24:59 Now, it was not Ponce DeLeon had the chance to change the
09:25:05 awareness but he didn't.
09:25:07 Ponce DeLeon, he found what was called the fountain of
09:25:09 youth in Safety Harbor and it didn't seem to work.
09:25:13 But the thing is, at least as an historical point there that
09:25:18 could be corrected.
09:25:19 Now, no harm.
09:25:23 I mentioned that because I was in medical school and that
09:25:26 was the motto of the medical profession, first do no harm.
09:25:30 And this group is part of a process of doing harm, not as
09:25:35 much as county commission, because county commission, they
09:25:39 are like out of control.
09:25:40 But the thing is the county commission commended
09:25:49 Merrill Hotage? And what happens with this level is that
09:25:55 Quizno's across the street has gone out of business, and I
09:26:04 talked to City Council, an empty business rolling out the
09:26:11 red carpet to hog heaven, and now the thing is meat has by
09:26:24 investigations gotten a clean bill of health more or less.
09:26:26 It has found that all the bad effects of meat are the
09:26:29 processed meet meat, the sodium nitrate in it.
09:26:33 I eat a lot of it.
09:26:34 Hotdogs have a lot of it.
09:26:35 It's the sodium nitrate that probably kills the good
09:26:38 bacteria in your intestinal tract.
09:26:42 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
09:26:42 I have learned a lot.
09:26:43 >> Well, colorectal --
09:26:45 >> no, no, I'm not talking to you, I'm talking to myself.
09:26:49 I'm not buying a volt today.
09:26:54 I'm not doing any of that.
09:26:55 >> Bossman Murray, 510 Harrison.
09:26:59 Good morning, City Council members.
09:27:02 I came to speak on item 49, but it's more in-depth in
09:27:07 reference to the E bars and all those issues.
09:27:18 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Excuse me, that's a public hearing.
09:27:20 And in those cases, you have to speak at the time of the
09:27:23 Those are quasi-judicial.
09:27:25 You have to be sworn in and everything else.
09:27:27 >> When that comes up I'll be back.
09:27:31 >> When we call for that hearing, it will be sometime after
09:27:35 I apologize for not saying that earlier.
09:27:37 It's my fault.
09:27:39 Thank you, sir.
09:27:40 Anyone else care to speak to this council this morning?
09:27:43 I appreciate it very much.
09:27:44 Thank you for speaking.
09:27:48 Anyone in the audience, request for reconsideration of any
09:27:51 council matters that were passed at the last meeting?
09:27:53 And that was really last year.
09:27:55 I hate to put that the way, but it was last year.
09:27:58 So any reconsideration of matters from anyone in the
09:28:04 audience to this council that was passed at the last
09:28:07 I see none.
09:28:08 We go to the 9:00 item number 1.
09:28:11 It would be the junior league making a 5-minute presentation
09:28:15 on human trafficking.
09:28:22 >> Mary Ellen, junior affairs league, Junior League, Florida
09:28:27 State public affairs committee, and she is here to make a
09:28:31 presentation on human trafficking.
09:28:34 And I want to point out that this is the winter issue, and
09:28:39 in it is a very excellent article on the human trafficking
09:28:47 and the trafficking awareness campaign that the Junior
09:28:51 League is putting forth.
09:28:52 >> Thank you very much for having me.
09:28:56 Please bring up the presentation.
09:29:04 The junior league of Tampa has been very much involved in
09:29:06 the issue of human trafficking and child sex trafficking for
09:29:12 several years, and we are very excited to have been selected
09:29:20 as a public service client for the year, and they have
09:29:23 created a wonderful issue-based awareness campaign about
09:29:28 human trafficking.
09:29:29 We just found that not a lot of people in our community
09:29:32 really know that it's happening, or understand what it is.
09:29:35 They think it might be illegal immigrants.
09:29:37 In order to raise money for survivors and get the services
09:29:42 they need, and creating a baseline awareness, that's really
09:29:46 what this campaign is designed to do.
09:29:48 I am going to briefly walk you through what the campaign is
09:29:51 like, actually launching this week, and you will see more
09:29:53 materials come out throughout January, and Gas Lyke park
09:30:01 from 4 to 7:00.
09:30:07 How they can help and also provide help to child sex victims
09:30:12 through the human trafficking hotline.
09:30:14 This is really going to be a campaign for all the different
09:30:18 organizations working very hard in the community helping
09:30:20 survivors in law enforcement.
09:30:22 And there are about 100 different organizations that make up
09:30:25 members the campaign against human trafficking, and this
09:30:28 campaign is specifically going to help them and provide
09:30:31 materials that they can then use with one message.
09:30:37 These are some of the organizations involved.
09:30:39 And one of the things than we found is why don't people
09:30:42 already know about this issue
09:30:43 And really we found that it's an uncomfortable topic for
09:30:46 people to discuss.
09:30:47 They really don't want to recognize it's actually happening.
09:30:49 And the general term of trafficking is very confusing, and
09:30:52 often related to drugs.
09:31:01 Ow we found that trafficking does very much relate to modern
09:31:05 day slavery, and that is a much more appropriate term, and
09:31:09 our campaign is -- people understand the term and understand
09:31:14 it relates to modern day slavery.
09:31:17 And this is what some of the slides look like, our logo.
09:31:24 It's a very gritty logo. It's not a clean and pretty
09:31:28 And most of the campaigns you have seen out there in the
09:31:31 community are black and red and white.
09:31:33 This campaign is a lot of purple, and testimonials, and it's
09:31:40 going to be you will note that FBI has a campaign, Tampa's
09:31:48 office has a campaign, everybody is doing something, but
09:31:50 they are doing something different, different messages,
09:31:53 different audiences, different calls to action.
09:31:56 There isn't one central campaign.
09:31:57 We are hoping that this campaign is the aggregator, one
09:32:02 central place where people can go and get information.
09:32:08 Several that you are going to see around town they actually
09:32:11 started to hit this week on Clear Channel, digital boards in
09:32:14 the Tampa Bay area, and there is going and the sex slavery,
09:32:21 and we think if people see that they will be helped by that.
09:32:26 Another example, we rank third nationally in Florida in
09:32:29 human trafficking, and sex slavery, ask to provide 15 sexual
09:32:36 acts per night.
09:32:40 Another provided pieces online.
09:32:43 Our Web site launched yesterday.
09:32:45 We encourage you visit abolishmovement.com, which includes
09:32:50 many resources and information, and all of our events for
09:32:53 the coming week.
09:32:55 A little bit more about what the Web site, the page on our
09:32:59 Web site, what you are going to see, and you can click on
09:33:02 any of these items for additional information.
09:33:04 And we have several partners.
09:33:07 SunTrust building, it's going to light up purple on Saturday
09:33:10 in support of our campaign.
09:33:11 And we are hoping for all of next week as well.
09:33:14 We just haven't received confirmation on that.
09:33:17 And we also see these stickers that can be put on businesses
09:33:20 whether it's convenience stores, gas stations, malls,
09:33:23 hotels, a lot of different places where victims might be
09:33:26 found, might be targeted, and these are things where people
09:33:30 would say not in our house.
09:33:32 This is human trafficking, not a safe house that people can
09:33:36 come for help but an zero tolerance zone.
09:33:40 That's going to be in phase two of our thinking.
09:33:43 You see what that might look like.
09:33:45 You are going to be seeing around town, what this might look
09:33:50 We'll have those available for sale this Saturday.
09:33:52 And you will also be seeing efforts around town as well.
09:33:58 We have several media partners, Bright House, Verizon, Clear
09:34:02 Channel, business journal, we have a little over $100,000 in
09:34:09 donated media so far to get the campaign on the street and
09:34:11 our goal is to get 500,000 donated and it will run through
09:34:19 the spring.
09:34:20 And that is our presentation.
09:34:21 Thank you very much.
09:34:22 We hope you will join us on Saturday, and than the mayor
09:34:26 will be speaking as well as commissioner Sandy Murman, will
09:34:30 be presenting this presentation as well in Tallahassee on
09:34:32 Tuesday to the human trafficking legislative working group
09:34:38 in hopes that this campaign will go statewide.
09:34:41 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
09:34:42 It was very informative, very brief and very to the point.
09:34:45 And we have always appreciated the junior league and what
09:34:47 you do.
09:34:48 And let me say one thing, when you do something, you do it
09:34:52 Thank you very much.
09:34:53 Any comments by council members?
09:34:55 Mrs. Capin?
09:34:56 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I just repeat where the kickoff is, please.
09:35:00 I want to make sure --
09:35:02 >> It's this Saturday, January 11th from 4 to 7 p.m. at
09:35:09 Lykes Gas Lyke park downtown.
09:35:11 We'll have six or seven food trucks there, we will have a
09:35:16 band, we'll have T-shirts for sale, several of our community
09:35:19 partners, and sharing information about what they do from
09:35:23 law enforcement to service providers, and have a brief
09:35:26 presentation at 5:30 with be some of our elected officials
09:35:29 in law enforcement and a candlelight vigil.
09:35:32 >> I also noticed that the color is purple.
09:35:34 I serve on the board of directors of the spring of Tampa Bay
09:35:38 which is also purpose and very significant.
09:35:42 Very significant.
09:35:43 >> We are very excited.
09:35:45 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Thank you for coming.
09:35:46 Thank you for taking the time to inform us.
09:35:48 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Council member Suarez, council member
09:35:51 Montelione, council member Reddick.
09:35:53 >>MIKE SUAREZ: First, thank you for bringing this forward.
09:35:56 Last year, I had worked with our attorneys, and with some of
09:36:02 the members of the Tampa Police Department, and a private
09:36:07 attorney talking about how massage parlors lead to a lot of
09:36:12 the human trafficking that goes on, especially in our city.
09:36:20 Some were using zoning rules to deal with the problem.
09:36:23 The legislature had taken up this issue last year, as you
09:36:26 know. I would suggest that if but haven't already, and met
09:36:31 with Mrs. Harcourt from your group, talking about some of
09:36:35 the people to contact, Kathleen O'Donniley.
09:36:43 The statewide prosecutor is already looking at this as part
09:36:46 of what they want to do, both Ms. O'Donniley and they have
09:36:53 this on the radar.
09:36:56 Please have it on the radar.
09:36:58 And give me the name of the Web site.
09:36:59 You went through it quickly and I want to make sure that
09:37:02 everyone out there can hear it.
09:37:03 It's abolishmovement.com.
09:37:05 >> Thank you very much.
09:37:07 And thank you for your work and the Junior League's work.
09:37:10 >> And I do want to acknowledge again Tampa Bay.
09:37:16 We certainly had a vision along with the community campaign
09:37:18 but it would not have been possible without your effort to
09:37:21 put all of it together to get the media donated and to
09:37:26 partner on this project.
09:37:27 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Thank you, Mr. Chair.
09:37:30 When we spoke, we talked about Ross Santos' bill.
09:37:38 Do you know if there are any cosigners, if any of our local
09:37:41 delegation has signed onto that bill?
09:37:43 >> I'm not sure yet.
09:37:44 I know they are still working on the language and don't have
09:37:47 the numbers yet but I will certainly follow up on the item.
09:37:50 >>LISA MONTELIONE: That will be helpful because then we
09:37:53 could request a letter from council be sent to our
09:37:55 legislative delegation to be sure that they are supportive
09:37:59 of Ross Santos' bill and that they have be a Senate sponsor
09:38:08 for a companion bill.
09:38:09 So we all want to be see this happen, and work towards
09:38:12 having our legislation in place, hopefully before the end of
09:38:19 the session.
09:38:20 Maybe it's one thing that we can get accomplished in the new
09:38:22 year so looking forward to that.
09:38:26 And I had talked with you before about some of the things
09:38:28 that I have looked at across the country, and it's come up
09:38:32 with our legal staff when it was brought here before council
09:38:35 before, and that is using code enforcement to rein in those
09:38:42 massage parlors and establishments because it's often very
09:38:45 difficult to prosecutor to close them down for any other
09:38:52 Is the Department of Health looking at licensing of people
09:38:54 who are working there, how many people are there, and
09:38:57 something as simple as, you know, in San Francisco they are
09:39:01 required in massage parlor to wear white coats and if they
09:39:08 go in and they aren't wearing white coats, that's a charge
09:39:11 that they can use to close them down.
09:39:13 It seems very simple and it seems kind of, you know, outside
09:39:16 of what you would think of a reason to shut somebody down or
09:39:21 to repeatedly fine individuals, but there might be some
09:39:27 extraordinary things we can come up with to assist.
09:39:30 >> And we found out that the county -- we will be working
09:39:34 with the county along with other members of the community
09:39:37 The county is doing a collaborative lab in February and it's
09:39:42 going to be a full day, the cooperative lab in St. Pete on
09:39:49 really what our county can do in response in terms of the
09:39:52 strategic approach.
09:39:55 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Mr. Reddick?
09:39:57 >>FRANK REDDICK: Thank you, chair.
09:39:58 I just want to follow up with what Councilwoman Montelione
09:40:02 was talking about, and my original question is going to be,
09:40:06 even though we are a City Council, we have limited
09:40:11 governance power, but what can we do to assist the junior
09:40:15 league to advocate this cause for you?
09:40:17 >> I think any help that the City Council can provide in
09:40:21 just pushing the message out, helping us reach the people
09:40:25 who live in our inner City of Tampa, let them know about the
09:40:28 Web site, let them know how they can get involved, so any
09:40:31 resources that the city has to help push the message out
09:40:34 would be very much appreciated.
09:40:37 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
09:40:37 I'm sorry I won't be able to attend Saturday.
09:40:39 I'll be judging horse racing.
09:40:48 Thank you very much.
09:40:49 I really appreciate it.
09:40:51 Okay, we go into staff reports and unfinished business.
09:40:55 Oh, I'm sorry.
09:40:56 >> One of the other items that the city can do is dedicated
09:41:03 law enforcement training in this issue.
09:41:09 Sometimes the girls get treated as prostitutes.
09:41:13 So for law enforcement to have the proper training.
09:41:16 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you. We go top staff reports and
09:41:18 unfinished business, items 2 through 6.
09:41:21 Item number 3.
09:41:22 >> 2?
09:41:30 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Number 2.
09:41:31 >> Happy new year, Chairman Miranda, City Council.
09:41:39 I'm Kimberley Crum, director of human resources.
09:41:42 And I'm here on item number 2 where the council had
09:41:45 requested our total number, dollar amount of for calendar
09:41:53 years 2013 and the number was $2.57 million.
09:42:00 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Any council member comments?
09:42:04 Thank you very much.
09:42:09 We go to item number 3.
09:42:11 >>ERNEST MUELLER: Assistant city attorney.
09:42:22 We have three parts, A, B, C.
09:42:24 We'll begin with A, providing a report, recommendation for
09:42:27 the establishment of the rental inspection program.
09:42:32 The last several months the legal department and
09:42:34 neighborhood empowerment has been working toward revamping
09:42:37 our current system of regulating residential units.
09:42:41 In fact, we had a legal intern come in and help us on this.
09:42:46 I would like to take this opportunity.
09:42:53 The department's work thus far has included researching the
09:42:57 city's legal authority with regard to regulating and
09:43:00 inspecting rental units, and determining what exactly the
09:43:03 city is able to do with the available resources with the
09:43:06 number of rental units thereof.
09:43:09 We are looking to create a registration system, number one,
09:43:15 create a registration system, where landlords will identify
09:43:18 the rental units, identify the people responsible, and who
09:43:24 we need to contact with regard to property maintenance, and
09:43:27 if there are violations, who we send that violation to, to
09:43:33 try to identify a local agent.
09:43:36 Other things we are looking at doing is creating a grading
09:43:39 system that will help us to identify the rentals, looking at
09:43:46 a grading system from A to F, grade D and F being high risk
09:43:52 This grading system will allow us to allocate resources,
09:43:55 those with the lower grade, higher risk rental, we will be
09:43:58 inspecting more often than those that have a higher grade.
09:44:03 And we also hope that a grading system like this will try to
09:44:06 motivate landlords to get the higher grades so they don't
09:44:09 have to be inspected as much.
09:44:11 Things that will go into the grading system will be things
09:44:15 like past history, violations, when we do inspect, what the
09:44:21 condition of the units are.
09:44:26 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Excuse me.
09:44:27 I'm sorry.
09:44:28 I understand what you said.
09:44:32 And to me, that's picking and choosing.
09:44:36 Even if you are a grade A, that doesn't mean you are going
09:44:38 to be a grade A tomorrow.
09:44:40 So if we are going to pick and choose and say this
09:44:44 individual is all right today, we are going to go after the
09:44:47 others, and if it turns bad you never nobody because you
09:44:51 didn't check.
09:44:54 And let me say that I have rental properties.
09:44:57 I own rental properties.
09:44:59 I don't think it's that difficult to find out who the owner
09:45:03 is by your statement.
09:45:06 You said that you have to get a list of your properties.
09:45:10 There's already a list in the county assessor's office.
09:45:14 Who owns them? You can find that out instantaneously.
09:45:18 You have the address.
09:45:22 And mail out things.
09:45:23 I don't understand what that -- and believe me, I'm not
09:45:28 talking about the list that was talked about by this
09:45:36 I don't understand that part.
09:45:37 Is there any other government agency that had a rental
09:45:39 system that dropped it in this county?
09:45:43 I don't know.
09:45:46 >>ERNEST MUELLER: That dropped it?
09:45:47 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Yes.
09:45:48 Hillsborough County had one and doesn't do it anymore.
09:45:50 So what I'm saying to myself is, are all renters bad?
09:45:58 Or are property owners in general not taking care of their
09:46:03 In other words, when we have code enforcement problems, tell
09:46:07 us which ones come from rental properties, and percent wide,
09:46:12 and tell us which ones come from private ownerships without
09:46:16 rental properties.
09:46:17 In other words, we are saying, what I have heard so far in a
09:46:20 very short statement, that only the owners of rental
09:46:23 properties are creating this problem, even though it wasn't
09:46:27 said that way.
09:46:28 What is the total of the 100% coming to and from where?
09:46:33 Is it coming from a district?
09:46:37 Is it coming from the whole city?
09:46:38 Is it coming from one side of the city?
09:46:40 Is it come from rental properties in some parts of the city?
09:46:43 I don't know.
09:46:45 We are attacking a problem that we haven't identified, from
09:46:48 what the statements have been said so far.
09:46:50 And I'm not talking to you.
09:46:52 Believe me.
09:46:53 But what I'm saying is, I need information before I vote on
09:46:57 something like this.
09:46:58 >>ERNEST MUELLER: I understand.
09:47:00 And again, it's still a work in progress and we are looking
09:47:04 forward to trying to bring something to you that's completed
09:47:07 and ready for you to look at, at the February 27th
09:47:11 workshop, the same day you are going to be looking at bed
09:47:15 and breakfasts.
09:47:17 We think that will be a good time to do it.
09:47:19 Now, the registration system, you talked about that.
09:47:25 Out of city and some out-of-state owners of property, trying
09:47:28 to get where it there's a local person that we can contact.
09:47:39 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Is he going to have somebody managing
09:47:40 that property?
09:47:41 Are we saying that?
09:47:43 >>ERNEST MUELLER: We need to be able to know who to contact.
09:47:45 And this is part of the things we are still trying to work
09:47:48 out again with our resources.
09:47:50 And we can work out and talk about on February 27th.
09:47:55 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Let me say one thing.
09:47:57 As I stated earlier, I judge horse racing.
09:48:00 I got thousands of owners that own horses throughout the
09:48:04 99% of them are not where I'm at and I find them
09:48:08 instantaneously, just because they have to have a license.
09:48:12 And in that lay sense I got their address, and in that
09:48:15 address I got their cell number, and in that license I got
09:48:18 their home number.
09:48:22 I write them or I call them so within a day or two I get the
09:48:27 response that I need.
09:48:27 So I'm applying what I do there, what I'm trying to do here,
09:48:33 and it seems to me like -- I don't know.
09:48:36 We just get into it and get out.
09:48:38 Get into it and find out what be the problem is and solve
09:48:41 Just because somebody lives in Topeka, Kansas, or Havana,
09:48:45 Florida, doesn't many that I can't locate them.
09:48:47 And there is a Havana, Florida just outside of Tallahassee.
09:48:51 So what I'm saying is, it's not that difficult to find
09:48:54 somebody in today's technology.
09:48:57 I mean, I don't lose anyone.
09:49:01 I am get them all.
09:49:03 And there's only three of us doing that.
09:49:07 So I don't see how why we have to form a list and find out
09:49:11 who the owner is and all that.
09:49:13 And it becomes cumbersome.
09:49:14 It becomes more and more and more -- maybe I'm wrong.
09:49:18 But I apply whatever works.
09:49:23 These all I'm saying.
09:49:24 And in this workshop in February, are we going to have that
09:49:27 list of where these problems are?
09:49:29 Are they all private owners?
09:49:31 Are they all rental property?
09:49:33 Who are these people?
09:49:34 If you want, go knock on their doors.
09:49:39 I'm so tired of this Maas muse as far as providing that
09:49:42 data, that data is going to come from department of code
09:49:46 enforcement and Jake can probably respond better whether he
09:49:49 can pull out the data that that you would be looking for.
09:49:52 >> Mrs. Montelione wants the floor.
09:49:54 >> Thank you, Mr. Chair.
09:49:59 When you say the session on February 27th, I was under
09:50:03 the impression that the tone and subject matter for that
09:50:08 discussion was more related to bed and breakfast than the
09:50:12 vacation rentals, than the residential rentals for
09:50:22 permanent --
09:50:23 >>ERNEST MUELLER: What I was saying is today we were going
09:50:25 to ask that this be put on a workshop that same day, and we
09:50:29 discuss this.
09:50:30 And it just happened to be on the same day you are also
09:50:33 doing bed and breakfast.
09:50:36 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I wanted to clarify that.
09:50:38 You and I spoke about it a couple days ago.
09:50:41 But the agenda item as it reads now is more the vacation
09:50:44 rental discussion.
09:50:45 And as far as the the database and who owns these rental
09:50:48 properties -- and maybe Mr. Slater can verify this -- when
09:51:03 you own a rental property are you supposed to register with
09:51:06 the City of Tampa?
09:51:08 >>JAKE SLATER: City of Tampa neighborhood administrator.
09:51:14 The answer is yes.
09:51:18 >>LISA MONTELIONE: So we already would have from those
09:51:21 registrations who owns that property so the database that we
09:51:23 are talking about already exists, correct?
09:51:27 >>JAKE SLATER: That's correct.
09:51:29 >>LISA MONTELIONE: So that makes at lot easier.
09:51:31 And I know that some of the challenge is -- do they also
09:51:34 need to have occupational license, Mr. Slater?
09:51:37 >>JAKE SLATER: They have to pay like a business tax, yes.
09:51:40 >> So they need to register with the city that they have
09:51:43 rental property and they would also need to have an
09:51:45 occupational license because that is a business?
09:51:48 >>JAKE SLATER: They have to pay a business tax based on the
09:51:52 size of the structure and number of rooms.
09:51:54 >> So we already have the database of those people who are
09:51:59 doing honest business with the city, and I think what our
09:52:03 challenge is are the rental properties where people have
09:52:09 decided to rent out their house and never register with the
09:52:13 city as a rental property.
09:52:16 In some cases probably still claiming the homestead
09:52:20 exemption with the county appraiser, so you, know, they are
09:52:26 saying that they live there but they don't.
09:52:28 They don't register with the city and they don't pay a
09:52:31 business tax.
09:52:32 Those probably are the largest problem we have.
09:52:38 And I'm guessing anecdotally.
09:52:42 >> Our total intent is to address the blight in the City of
09:52:46 And we look at the rental certificate program as the method
09:52:50 for us to address one of those areas.
09:52:53 Currently we have just under 14,000 single-family
09:52:58 residential properties on our tax roll.
09:53:02 I'm not saying that's all of them.
09:53:04 That's the ones on our current business tax roll.
09:53:08 We have about 1900 duplexes, 300 triplexes, 300 quad, and
09:53:20 about 11,000 apartment units, which I think the number is
09:53:23 low for the apartment units.
09:53:26 Those are the ones that are currently on our business
09:53:31 tax/rental certificate tax roll.
09:53:37 >> And just from what I see driving around the city on my
09:53:42 own, and doing my ride alongs with Tampa Police Department
09:53:47 in the north Tampa area, we had said before that most of the
09:53:54 problems in neighborhood when you talk about blight are
09:53:57 folks who aren't taking care of their properties, aren't
09:54:02 keeping them up to standards, and it's minimal living
09:54:05 So when you call blight, I call unsafe housing.
09:54:10 So we are talking about the same thing.
09:54:12 And it's really the condition of the homes that people are
09:54:16 forced to live in because they feel like they don't have a
09:54:21 They complain to the landlord, and if they complain to the
09:54:23 landlord, as we have seen recently in the newspaper, they
09:54:26 get kicked out.
09:54:27 So the problem really maybe never rises to the surface where
09:54:32 they are coming to us, because we do have an avenue for
09:54:35 people to complain, right.
09:54:36 >> Yes.
09:54:39 Yes, we do.
09:54:40 >>LISA MONTELIONE: And for the people out there watching or
09:54:43 maybe for printing in the newspaper, if someone is living in
09:54:45 a substandard housing rental unit, who are they contact?
09:54:50 >> They can go on our Web site.
09:54:52 They can do it through a customer center.
09:54:54 They can call us directly.
09:54:56 >>LISA MONTELIONE: And that could be anonymously?
09:54:59 >> Yes.
09:55:00 >>LISA MONTELIONE: So they don't feel like they would be
09:55:03 targeted by the landlord by leaving their name?
09:55:07 >> Yes.
09:55:08 >>LISA MONTELIONE: They could figure it out where they live
09:55:10 and what they are inspecting.
09:55:12 The issue that I had when I rode with code enforcement,
09:55:15 which was awhile back, is that we have very limited staff.
09:55:20 I mean, even though you have been able to add staff thanks
09:55:23 to the administration and the budget expansion of your
09:55:25 department, which is great, but we still have limited number
09:55:27 of staff that can perform these rental inspections.
09:55:32 So if you can maybe tell us a little bit about how that's
09:55:38 progressed or changed with the addition of staff in your
09:55:43 >> We currently have four dedicated inspectors handle the
09:55:48 rentals inspection program.
09:55:52 We are looking -- this is already mentioned to better
09:55:57 address the way that we do it to make it more timely, to
09:56:00 make it more efficient, and to keep current with the amount
09:56:04 of overall changes in the property ownership.
09:56:09 Again, whether you add up all of these rental properties in
09:56:13 the City of Tampa -- Tampa is one of the largest cities that
09:56:16 I have been able to find in the country that has a proactive
09:56:19 rental inspection program.
09:56:23 Tampa is one of the largest.
09:56:25 We are actually looking at ways to better perform, to better
09:56:32 serve the public, and again to address the blighted areas in
09:56:36 the City of Tampa.
09:56:38 We are sometimes accused of being too heavy handed of going
09:56:43 into properties, that they don't want us in, or we are also
09:56:48 being accused of actually not doing enough with the rental
09:56:51 system program.
09:56:53 It's a difficult situation.
09:56:55 It is.
09:56:56 And I would like to be able to come back at the end of
09:57:00 February with some more detailed answers for you folks.
09:57:04 >>FRANK REDDICK: Thank you, Mr. Chair.
09:57:09 Mr. Slater, when I look at a lot of the rental properties in
09:57:12 the city of Tampa, a lot of these properties are rented out
09:57:17 are section 8.
09:57:18 >> Yes, sir.
09:57:20 >>FRANK REDDICK: My question is, is it possible to cross
09:57:22 reference the section 8 rentals to those who have registered
09:57:27 with the city where they are in compliance by registering
09:57:32 with the city, and those who might be special 8 rentals that
09:57:36 are property owners that are not registered with the city?
09:57:40 It seems to me that this section 8 rental can obtain some
09:57:45 section 8, and because I know in my neighborhood, and many
09:57:53 in the community in East Tampa, the majority of those homes
09:57:58 are rented out through section 8.
09:58:01 I don't know if these people are homeowners by registering
09:58:04 with the city are not.
09:58:05 But I'm pretty sure we can cross reference that by checking
09:58:09 the section 8 department and determine who owns those
09:58:12 properties and seeing if they are registered or not.
09:58:15 >>JAKE SLATER: Yes, sir.
09:58:18 We have met with the Tampa Housing Authority about a month
09:58:20 ago, and we are in constant contact with them, and they do
09:58:25 inspection program on their own through an outside vendor.
09:58:31 The issue is that they have a better handle for us because
09:58:34 if they don't meat the standards, the Housing Authority,
09:58:37 they don't get paid.
09:58:40 They don't get the monthly checks.
09:58:43 So they have more of a hammer than we do with regards to the
09:58:47 overall enforcement process.
09:58:48 But we are meeting with the Housing Authority, and we are
09:58:54 getting like an active list so we can cross reference and
09:58:57 work the overall problem together.
09:59:03 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Yes, since section 8 was brought up, from my
09:59:05 understanding, section 8 is more a market rent.
09:59:10 When you look at section 8, that's more of market, when the
09:59:16 rents come in, that's subsidized, right? Which that's not
09:59:22 the case with all the other rentals.
09:59:24 And there's a difference, because section 8, as you said,
09:59:28 they inspect.
09:59:29 And if they are not up to standards, they don't get paid.
09:59:32 And, also the renter is also inspected.
09:59:36 The renter also -- so both the lessor and lessee are both
09:59:43 inspected under section 8.
09:59:44 I wish we had more of that. Because when you rent and you
09:59:47 get market value, then you can see where they would have --
09:59:56 you know, that would help in keeping the properties up.
10:00:01 I mean, we just saw the whole fiasco that happened over at
10:00:06 the county with subsidies, and it was not -- you know, these
10:00:14 homes, this money was being paid out, and they were not held
10:00:20 to the standards.
10:00:21 So that's where section 8 comes in.
10:00:24 And they do come down hard.
10:00:26 Section 8 is both very beneficial to the person that's
10:00:31 renting, and to the landlord.
10:00:34 And unfortunately, I feel we don't have enough of both.
10:00:39 >> What kind of alarmed me was we met with the Housing
10:00:44 Authority, that they shared with us that the amount of
10:00:46 applications coming in, in Hillsborough County on a monthly
10:00:49 basis, section 8, qualifications has gone up every month for
10:00:58 the last couple of years, and that's the overall rental.
10:01:01 >> They have a huge waiting list.
10:01:03 >> Yes, they do.
10:01:06 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I can't remember the number now, but I met
10:01:09 with the Housing Authority and they told me, it seemed like
10:01:12 almost insurmountable.
10:01:14 >> It's quite large to be honest with you, yes.
10:01:17 >> Thank you.
10:01:20 >>MIKE SUAREZ: A question.
10:01:27 What we always tell you, Jake, is one of the tools you need
10:01:30 to actually solve some of these issues, okay?
10:01:33 We have a new computer system that allows us to do a lot of
10:01:38 different things, and hopefully it will help us use some of
10:01:40 the data that we already have, and hopefully already been
10:01:43 inputted to help us track some of these rentals, first of
10:01:47 Second of all -- and this is something that since the mayor
10:01:50 mentioned it yesterday, and something that we should talk
10:01:52 about, which is our AP now for City of Tampa, there is a
10:01:56 general code enforcement button to go and report code
10:02:03 I would suggest that you might do one specifically to this
10:02:06 issue so that we can get those kind of reports that people
10:02:10 mate want to, you know, not only take a picture and show us
10:02:14 where it's at, but in addition be able to report some of the
10:02:17 issues with their particular landlord, and particular rental
10:02:21 I think that we need to use every tool available.
10:02:24 And I would just suggest for them to add that on there, I'm
10:02:28 sure it's a difficult thing to add concerning landlord, or
10:02:33 however you want to put in the here.
10:02:34 But we have this tool available, but start using it even
10:02:38 more so.
10:02:39 This is brand new to us.
10:02:40 And secondly, I think we need to really come up with a
10:02:45 specific process of how we list those properties that are
10:02:50 rentals, and how the regular inspection is done and how we
10:02:54 can clean up the process itself, because, you know, the
10:02:57 problem you have is that you have limited resources, and you
10:03:00 have got a lot of rentals.
10:03:01 The numbers that you just repeated to us, you know, 11 that
10:03:05 you apartment units, and you mentioned, you think that
10:03:09 that's low.
10:03:10 Now, if you think that's low, that means that you know that
10:03:13 that you haven't inspected everybody.
10:03:16 And the number of duplexes and triplexes, obviously duplexes
10:03:20 are huge.
10:03:21 Eights human nudge.
10:03:22 And some of those may or may not be originally have been
10:03:26 approved for buildings.
10:03:29 That's one issue.
10:03:30 That's different than what you have to deal with.
10:03:32 But secondly, we need to really get a handle on the
10:03:34 information we are receiving, and use some other cross
10:03:38 reference information so that we can go out there and get
10:03:43 the folks that are abusing the system and make sure that
10:03:47 they are doing the right thing.
10:03:48 I think it's a problem that we have, that we may have too
10:03:52 much information without a way of essentially cleaning it up
10:03:54 and putting a process together.
10:03:56 Because sometimes having a lot of information doesn't really
10:03:59 help us unless we get a process and really go after what
10:04:02 that information actually means.
10:04:03 So please make sure you tell us the tools you need in order
10:04:07 to straighten that up, if there are any tools, and then
10:04:10 secondly, try and give us a good idea of what it is now, if
10:04:14 you don't mind.
10:04:15 >> I appreciate the support.
10:04:16 Thank you.
10:04:16 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Our process now, though, is to include, once
10:04:22 they are on the register, how often do we go and inspect,
10:04:25 that type of thing.
10:04:26 >> As I mentioned before, the rental program is on our
10:04:33 priority for this year to look at it, to approve it, to
10:04:36 address the overall deficiencies and to improve the entire
10:04:42 overall system, because they have not been addressed in
10:04:47 quite a few years.
10:04:48 And again, the rental properties actually increased, and it
10:04:53 has caused some serious issues in the City of Tampa.
10:04:57 Right now rental properties are exploding.
10:04:59 More people are going into rentals, with purchasing.
10:05:02 Because of that, and because of what happened with the
10:05:06 downturn and the economic collapse, you know, a lot of homes
10:05:09 that used to be lived in, and now used for rentals, so all
10:05:13 those things are conspiring against you to get a handle on
10:05:16 But again, use that data the best you can.
10:05:19 Come up with a process that's going to be easy to use for
10:05:23 your folks to go out there and inspect.
10:05:26 And then lastly, make sure you come back to us if there's
10:05:28 anything that you see as a problem so that we can help you
10:05:34 fix it in the long run.
10:05:36 >> I appreciate the support, Councilman.
10:05:38 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I have a couple of questions because
10:05:51 these motions were broken up into many parts.
10:05:54 So we are jumping around a little bit.
10:05:56 But part 5 was regarding the effectiveness or ability to
10:06:04 issue civil citations to the property owner.
10:06:10 This was back in December, I think it was.
10:06:12 We met with the greater Tampa association of realtors, and
10:06:16 the realtors were very interested in us making progress,
10:06:20 because it affects their ability to sell homes, or even
10:06:25 those that are engaged in the rental business to move their
10:06:31 product, their housing stock, because of some of the
10:06:35 problems that are in the neighborhoods, and they were very
10:06:38 interested in helping.
10:06:41 Have we made any progress on that?
10:06:44 >> We are in the process of implementing that right now.
10:06:48 I will be perfectly frank with you.
10:06:50 It's an administrative -- it takes a lot of admin work.
10:06:54 But we are implementing that.
10:06:56 And I didn't realize that I had to talk about that today on
10:06:59 that one.
10:07:01 But we are working toward that.
10:07:05 I agree that it is an effective tool, and in my
10:07:09 conversations with the realtors, they are also behind it.
10:07:14 >> Do we know when we are going to be able to implement
10:07:24 >> I would like to come back.
10:07:25 >>LISA MONTELIONE: That is a lot of legal.
10:07:27 So we'll defer that to the workshop.
10:07:29 I guess we are deferring all of the part 1 through 9 to the
10:07:34 Is that what's going to be requested?
10:07:37 >>JAKE SLATER: I have a report concerning solid waste
10:07:40 issues on the enforcement side.
10:07:42 I don't know if you want me to give that now.
10:07:49 An update on the solid waste code enforcement implementation
10:07:52 and the training program.
10:07:55 The cross training in the five solid waste officers began on
10:07:59 October 3rd, 2013.
10:08:01 All five solid waste inspectors are prepared to issue civil
10:08:05 warnings and also civil citations for the following
10:08:11 Trash, accumulation debris.
10:08:13 And inoperative type of vehicles.
10:08:17 The overall training has continued once a week with code
10:08:20 enforcement to a sure that they are included in any updates
10:08:25 in our overall process.
10:08:28 The mayor signed the executive order last month, and we are
10:08:35 meeting with the solid waste supervisors to go operational
10:08:39 on the 15th of this month.
10:08:43 I'm excited about this.
10:08:44 This will give us five additional inspectors, and one
10:08:49 overall supervisor.
10:08:52 The enthusiasm has been great.
10:08:55 The partnership has been wonderful.
10:08:57 And I feel very, very confident that it will have an impact
10:09:01 on the City of Tampa.
10:09:03 It actually gives us five more folks in the field to address
10:09:08 the major overall issues in the City of Tampa.
10:09:10 And as we move actually forward with that, we will be
10:09:14 working then into other areas of code enforcement and zoning
10:09:18 issues, land use issues, building issues, things of that
10:09:23 nature, which we are responsible for the enforcement of.
10:09:26 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Any other questions?
10:09:27 >>ERNEST MUELLER: Real quick response to be Mrs.
10:09:32 Montelione's question about what we are asking to have for
10:09:36 the February 27th workshop.
10:09:39 Really what we are looking at is this agenda, part 3-A which
10:09:44 is really dealing with the rental inspection regulation
10:09:47 program, all those questions.
10:09:49 What our goal is to have an ordinance, proposed ordinance at
10:09:56 that time that we can go through and show how we have
10:09:58 revamped or enhanced the rental section.
10:10:03 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Thank you.
10:10:06 And this will be the last thing I bring up.
10:10:09 On the agenda item on the front there were three items.
10:10:12 But on the back there are nine.
10:10:14 So I want to make sure that we are losing -- moving to the
10:10:25 workshop -- you are more than welcome to.
10:10:33 That's how it's printed in my back.
10:10:43 It was not just the first three items that appeared on this.
10:10:46 >>ERNEST MUELLER: Your legislative aide kind of put
10:10:58 >> No, he printed it right off -- we print double sided so
10:11:01 if this was page one, this is page two. Anyway, however it
10:11:08 came to be, so there are actually nine parts.
10:11:12 And when you talk about the solid waste, the motion, the
10:11:18 original motion was originated by Councilman Reddick,
10:11:21 seconded by Councilman Suarez, was Tampa Police Department
10:11:25 and solid waste department to appear and provide a report
10:11:28 regarding the feasibility and cost, if any, of establishing
10:11:31 a training program for all city personnel pertaining to code
10:11:35 enforcement violations.
10:11:37 And I think I remember part of that discussion, and it was,
10:11:41 you know, we have a lot of people who are out on the street,
10:11:44 you know, as part of their everyday work, and it would be
10:11:50 helpful, especially because of the technology we have now,
10:11:53 even using our new, you know, application, whether you have
10:11:59 iPhone or android, if they are driving around making
10:12:02 something really blatant, they should be able to report that
10:12:06 themselves, and not always relying on the citizens or the
10:12:10 neighbors or somebody to report it.
10:12:12 We have got a lot of eyes on the street, so to speak, and if
10:12:17 there's a way that -- not maybe intensive training, but at
10:12:22 least some cursory training on how to report, or when to
10:12:27 report a violation or potential violation or hazardous
10:12:34 situation, then we can really increase -- at least maybe
10:12:42 we'll get more results from having more people be able to
10:12:49 proactively address it.
10:12:51 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: In other words, what you are saying is
10:12:52 4,000 eyes are better than 4.
10:12:54 >>JAKE SLATER: I believe that those nine actually motions
10:13:00 were on a COBRAS agenda.
10:13:08 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I am not going to go into where it was or
10:13:11 any of that.
10:13:12 Any questions on item 3 before we go into the February --
10:13:15 this is all going to be really held up and discussed in
10:13:18 Yes, sir?
10:13:19 Any others?
10:13:21 Any other council members?
10:13:22 Any other questions?
10:13:23 All right.
10:13:24 Thank you so much.
10:13:25 I think you got enough now for February.
10:13:27 We can have a full day, and hopefully we can get closer to
10:13:32 hitting that percent of acceptability, whatever that may be,
10:13:35 close to 100, and it's very hard to obtain, and I understand
10:13:42 Thank you very much.
10:13:42 We go to item number 4.
10:13:50 >>CATHERINE COYLE: Planning and development.
10:13:56 Just to be clear, there are four items.
10:13:59 I'm sorry.
10:14:00 Item number 4 --
10:14:02 We like you a lot.
10:14:03 [ Laughter ]
10:14:05 >>CATHERINE COYLE: I apologize.
10:14:06 My throat is still a little funky.
10:14:08 It will crack a lot while I'm talking.
10:14:10 Just to be very precise for each item in particular, and we
10:14:15 spoke about this behind the scenes with each of you a little
10:14:18 Number one was looking at requiring leases submitted on an
10:14:21 annual basis when they are utilized for alternative parking.
10:14:25 The second part of that, it does say as suggested by Cathy
10:14:30 Coyle, I did suggest the first part and not the second,
10:14:33 related to granting waivers in the public hearing.
10:14:35 So just to be clear, it is our recommendation that right now
10:14:40 through the design exception process, which is the
10:14:43 administrative approval for the off-site parking, it's a
10:14:47 very fair process.
10:14:49 What you are proposing on our site, the usage on your site
10:14:55 has to be from the off-site parking lot by zoning.
10:14:59 The parking does have to function properly per code, and it
10:15:02 does have to be actually legally established and has to be
10:15:06 within a thousand feet.
10:15:07 There does have to be a lease with approval by city attorney
10:15:12 with certain terms, and it does run with the land as a
10:15:17 condition of whatever permit it is tied to.
10:15:20 So what's missing from that, what we are recommending on an
10:15:29 annual basis the person that has that off-site parking to
10:15:31 come in and resetter if I and file, and that parking is
10:15:36 still available to them.
10:15:38 It's basically like an annual recertification.
10:15:41 And the outcome of that would be if that does not happen, or
10:15:44 if they cannot certify that, then they would be put on
10:15:49 notice that they are potentially in violation of whatever
10:15:52 permit is that they had related to in most cases, or in some
10:15:57 cases, like with an alcohol special use comment.
10:16:04 Item number 2 is formalizing zones where multimodal mass
10:16:11 transit corridors, mass transit facilities are available,
10:16:14 made part of a staff report.
10:16:17 That's actually a fairly simple issue.
10:16:19 We wouldn't have to create or formalize anything additional.
10:16:23 There is already a general finding as part of the staff
10:16:25 report that we can simply put in there for City Council
10:16:29 whether or not it is a transit corridor, already adopted in
10:16:31 the comp plan.
10:16:33 The bus route it happens to be on, whether or not it's part
10:16:36 of a CRA, there's already the formalized zones identified in
10:16:40 the comp plan, and carried out through our code so we can
10:16:43 simply identify them for you.
10:16:45 Whether or not there are changes available.
10:16:47 The third item deals with the alternative parking
10:16:51 arrangement for a thousand feet or over a thousand fate.
10:16:54 And then the situation where it's over a thousand, we look
10:16:59 at contracts, and in tandem.
10:17:08 My recommendation -- and I believe I mentioned this to each
10:17:12 of you -- is to treat the thousand feet to 1320 which is
10:17:15 actually a quarter mile which is the acceptable distance.
10:17:22 1320 would be the number, and when you are beyond that 1320
10:17:27 feet, that we do require the valet, and we are also
10:17:31 suggesting that for valet parking, not just the annual
10:17:35 recertification of those contracts, be filed back, but those
10:17:41 valet companies actually operate for the city, and we could
10:17:47 talk about that in more length.
10:17:49 And we talked about this for a lot of different things
10:17:51 because then we are dealing with the operator as opposed to
10:17:53 the property owner.
10:17:55 And the fourth one is essentially having us look at other
10:17:59 areas, and what they do, whether or not anyone does it
10:18:03 differently, or has something unique.
10:18:06 Ms. Kert did go through in a cursory manner a lot of
10:18:10 different places around the state, and even some outside of
10:18:12 the state, just looking for valet regulations, off-site
10:18:15 parking regulations, and just as a mixed bag, everybody does
10:18:20 it a little differently.
10:18:22 But the common themes and the places that you allow off-site
10:18:27 parking, regulate valet, in most cases it's either smaller
10:18:33 towns or in certain districts or along certain corridors.
10:18:36 Many of the places do allow 100-foot in front of the parking
10:18:39 to be valet, or depending on the use.
10:18:45 The distance is there from 300 feet to half a mile.
10:18:54 And the common theme between all of them is there is some
10:18:58 type of contract or certification or something for these
10:19:01 companies that actually has to continue to be, so there's
10:19:08 some type of filing or some type of licensing.
10:19:10 So in general there's the three things that it boils down to
10:19:14 for that question, if we do allow the valet to be used,
10:19:19 what's the distance?
10:19:20 And that's what I would recommend beyond the 1320.
10:19:26 What percentage would be allowed to be provided in valet
10:19:30 And like I said, many of these locations are 100.
10:19:38 Actually all of it on-site.
10:19:40 The percentage is something we should talk about definitely.
10:19:42 But if they do have it, particularly if they have an annual
10:19:49 recertification, then I think it's something we should
10:19:51 consider at a higher percentage.
10:19:53 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I have a question.
10:19:55 And I want to make sure I got this in my head.
10:19:57 You just mentioned that had you recommend that we increase
10:20:00 it to 1320 in order to -- and anything more than that, that
10:20:08 it be valet?
10:20:10 >> If you are beyond that, and you want to have it be
10:20:13 considered as part of your required parking, then it would
10:20:16 have to be valet.
10:20:17 You are not forcing someone to walk more than a quarter
10:20:22 >> I just wanted to get that straight.
10:20:24 And that's why when you brought up the additional feet, I
10:20:28 wasn't sure where you were going with that.
10:20:31 So I just want to make sure it's clear in my head.
10:20:36 The emphasis is always going to be on, as you mentioned,
10:20:40 on-site parking, in addition to adjacent parking that's as
10:20:43 close as possible.
10:20:45 And that's non-valet.
10:20:46 However, I mean, there's a lot of facilities that use valet
10:20:50 even within the spacing, because there's not enough spaces
10:20:55 to go around.
10:20:55 So they squeeze in more, meaning that the valet may be only
10:21:00 a few feet away from the entrance, but yet they still use
10:21:05 The valet is not a requirement one way or the other.
10:21:10 Only beyond that, that we actually ask the consideration.
10:21:16 >> And I will get to the valet piece of it.
10:21:19 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I just wanted to get that.
10:21:27 >>CATHERINE COYLE: And there's actually some pending rules
10:21:28 that we are working on internally with transportation and
10:21:30 legal on valet in particular, because they use public
10:21:35 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I just wanted to make sure I got that
10:21:39 >> No problem.
10:21:41 Then the last consideration for valet is in the context of
10:21:44 them using valet for on-site, to meet the required on-site
10:21:48 parking, is that we allow them to be double counted, do we
10:21:52 allow them to share that lot, or do we make them whole, do
10:22:00 we make each use come in and add current number of spaces?
10:22:04 And if there's only 100 spaces on the lot and it's four
10:22:08 users that want to use them but the total they need is 120,
10:22:11 do we allow that to be shared or do we have to make each one
10:22:14 Our code makes people be whole, unless you share by hour.
10:22:22 >>LISA MONTELIONE: We already know our code doesn't work.
10:22:34 So I would say that to make it whole, or keep it the way it
10:22:39 is, and keep it whole, and not allow the sharing, would
10:22:44 continue to make our code not work.
10:22:50 We wouldn't have so many complaints, not only from the
10:22:54 neighborhoods but from the businesses themselves if it did
10:22:57 So what we are here trying to do is create something that's
10:23:00 better than what we have now, and I think that the valet
10:23:06 companies we heard from in a previous workshop or staff
10:23:09 report, time, we heard from some of the valet companies.
10:23:12 It may have been during the quasi-judicial hearing, which I
10:23:15 think it was, and they are professionals at what they do.
10:23:20 They know how to utilize those lots for the best of their
10:23:24 ability, and the situation, especially concentrated in the
10:23:31 SoHo area, you know, folks park their car, and then visit
10:23:35 three or four different establishments.
10:23:37 So each of those establishments, then that one car would
10:23:40 technically be shared, because they are not valeting their
10:23:45 cars only to one establishment and then driving to another
10:23:47 establishment and valeting their car again.
10:23:50 They are valeting their car once with one establishment and
10:23:53 then visiting three or four others.
10:23:55 They may have, you know, dinner at chiefs and then go
10:24:00 somewhere else to have drinks or, you know.
10:24:04 So requiring each of them to have, you know, one lot
10:24:09 dedicated, or number of spaces dedicated would be
10:24:14 So the recommendations that I would have for the off-site
10:24:19 valet lot, and we can talk about the tandem parking lots
10:24:23 around, and we did this for downtown, is if you do have a
10:24:25 lot, and if you have an attended lot, even the valet
10:24:33 situation, where it's a lot that cars are being put by
10:24:36 attendants, that we do park in tandem because you have
10:24:41 someone that can move the cars around.
10:24:43 If a lot that you are parking yourself, then we don't allow
10:24:47 you to traditionally park tandem because you can't move the
10:24:50 cars behind you.
10:24:51 So that was the recommendation I made the last time.
10:24:53 If it is a lot where there is someone that's actually
10:24:56 manning it or maneuvering the cars, that we allow them to
10:25:04 park in tandem, that would be allow them to place more cars
10:25:07 on the site.
10:25:08 So that's our recommendation there as well.
10:25:10 So I think with the regular monitoring certification of
10:25:15 these things, also, for the valet companies themselves, and
10:25:22 allowing them to park tandem would certainly allow them to
10:25:26 work in a better way.
10:25:28 Keep in mind the foundation of all of this is the fact that
10:25:32 we require parking and we have certain ratios in the code.
10:25:37 So that's really begs the question, if you say this doesn't
10:25:40 work, are the ratios right?
10:25:42 That's really -- a lot of complaints that you get from the
10:25:46 neighborhood, traditionally the ones that we enforce it on
10:25:50 are when lots pop up in residential areas on lots that they
10:25:54 shouldn't be a residential lot.
10:25:59 Those are several that we had to take through enforcement.
10:26:01 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: And brief me, I think the majority of
10:26:03 time they do work.
10:26:04 The only question -- are you finished?
10:26:08 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Well, I have one other question.
10:26:12 I'm sure you received a copy of it.
10:26:15 Each one of us received copies of it.
10:26:18 A January 6th, 2014 letter from Mark Bentley, and he
10:26:24 laid out some suggestions --
10:26:29 >> I had an opportunity to look at it yesterday.
10:26:33 >> So he being somebody who represents a lot of business
10:26:37 owners who deal with the application to the city and trying
10:26:41 to assist in finding a common space between what we have
10:26:49 now, and what we might consider.
10:26:53 I would ask that the recommendations that he made be
10:26:57 carefully reviewed, and perhaps there are some of the things
10:27:03 that he's saying in here that we could incorporate into
10:27:07 whatever changes we contemplate because there were quite a
10:27:12 few things here that to me make sense.
10:27:14 And, you know, I do want to get to a place where during a
10:27:22 rezoning hearing or during a special use application, we are
10:27:26 not having to rehash this subject sometimes three or four
10:27:32 times in the same night.
10:27:33 So it would behoove us to have some standardized process.
10:27:41 And he's proposing an alternative parking program which
10:27:46 would be a separate permit for businesses operating in the
10:27:49 SoHo area.
10:27:51 For their parking needs.
10:27:52 So I think if we had some kind of steady, regular process,
10:28:00 we wouldn't be tacked with making decisions --
10:28:04 >> Actually, we do have a standard utilized everyday
10:28:11 process, or our design process is used -- every week we get
10:28:16 a new application.
10:28:16 People utilize it, the recalls that wave in our code, and
10:28:19 they have the leases, they have the uses that are properly
10:28:24 permitted, they have the spaces that are properly permitted.
10:28:27 Remember, the cases that come before you, if they are
10:28:30 saying --
10:28:32 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I understand that, Ms. Coyle.
10:28:37 Not only from the public.
10:28:38 And it's not just the public, the citizens in the cases you
10:28:43 explained, but it's people parking in front of their, you
10:28:45 know, their houses, and on the side streets, and maybe
10:28:50 pulling up on the right-of-way in front of their house and
10:28:53 blocking the right-of-way.
10:28:55 There are a myriad of complaints that we get from the public
10:29:01 who come here even speak during public comment or during the
10:29:04 regular session or show up, or send e-mails, or make phone
10:29:08 calls to us when a particular rezoning or special use
10:29:12 application is happening.
10:29:13 So we can't neatly put those complaints in one box.
10:29:18 They run the gamut from what we hear.
10:29:20 And we hear it on a very regular basis and we hear it from
10:29:24 the business owners as well.
10:29:27 And I hear that a lot of our code -- and you are going
10:29:33 through systematically and trying to fix a lot of problems
10:29:36 in our code that has existed for maybe a century -- I'm
10:29:42 exaggerating, but a very, very long time, and I know that it
10:29:46 takes time for you with your staff to go through and make
10:29:49 these changes, and we are.
10:29:50 We are making headway.
10:29:52 We are getting better.
10:29:53 But there's still, I think, some work to be done.
10:29:57 And I would seriously consider the suggestions that he's
10:30:01 making here, and maybe just a pilot, maybe test it out for a
10:30:06 year or two and see how it works.
10:30:08 If the idea doesn't work, or some variation of his idea
10:30:13 doesn't work, then we can try something else or go back to
10:30:15 where we were.
10:30:38 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'm happy people are counting.
10:30:39 That makes me feel good.
10:30:41 Are you finished, Mrs. Montelione? Let me say this.
10:30:44 I understand the process.
10:30:45 I think that getting to the resolving part of it.
10:30:50 The quarter of a mile or the 1320 feet or the 440 yards, or
10:30:57 how many inches?
10:30:57 Is that measured like the land zoning?
10:31:00 Or is it walkable?
10:31:01 Or is it as the crow flies?
10:31:03 And is it in one neighborhood in the parking lot of the
10:31:07 other neighborhood?
10:31:08 Is the other neighborhood association notified?
10:31:11 Those are things I am being asked and that's what I am
10:31:14 trying to figure out.
10:31:15 I'm just trying to put it on the record.
10:31:18 Is it as the crow flies or walk or how is it?
10:31:21 How do you measure the 1320 feet?
10:31:26 >>CATHERINE COYLE: It has to be a walkable past.
10:31:29 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Okay.
10:31:29 Not as the crow flies.
10:31:31 >> And we don't measure it within boundaries of a
10:31:33 neighborhood association or anything else because
10:31:34 traditionally these are used for commercial uses.
10:31:37 So they have to count other commercial parcels.
10:31:40 So they wouldn't be embedded in the neighborhood, unless the
10:31:43 neighborhood has commercial zoning.
10:31:45 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: So let's say the lot is zoned properly
10:31:48 and everything is copacetic and is being done.
10:31:51 My only concern, not the attorneys or the representative of
10:31:53 the people who come here who ask for relief, because they
10:31:57 are trying to do the job and they are presenting the facts.
10:32:00 But if someone gets that lot assigned to that business, and
10:32:06 you and I have discussed this before, and that business, be
10:32:11 it whatever, loses that license, does that have an impact on
10:32:18 that original business license?
10:32:22 They got what they got because they had that alternative
10:32:25 But in being fair to all, they lose their turn at parking
10:32:33 for whatever reason.
10:32:34 Doesn't want anyone to develop or whatever.
10:32:40 Explain to us what happened then.
10:32:41 >> The parking that's put off, and that is considered as
10:32:46 part of your required parking, and that alternative, that
10:32:48 meets your requirement.
10:32:49 If you lose it, you no longer meet the requirement.
10:32:52 So you are subject to enforcement.
10:32:54 So if it's tied to an alcohol permit or another special use
10:32:58 permit, or some type of other permit that we have, then,
10:33:01 yes, you are technically potentially in violation.
10:33:04 And in the case of an alcohol case -- and that's why I want
10:33:07 that annual filing, that are still valid.
10:33:11 If you lose it, I am going to write you a letter and say it
10:33:15 appears that you are in violation of your alcohol permit.
10:33:19 It appears that you have lost the other parking, you need to
10:33:24 come back and provide it within X number of days.
10:33:27 If they don't, then I put them -- there's a second letter
10:33:30 net process, and a public hearing for suspension by City
10:33:37 Then I send it to the clerk and we schedule a hearing.
10:33:42 I really want that annual refiling.
10:33:45 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I understand.
10:33:45 And I'm appreciative of that.
10:33:49 >>YVONNE CAPIN: The annual filing is in the future.
10:33:51 We don't have that.
10:33:55 >>CATHERINE COYLE: Yes.
10:33:57 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Okay.
10:33:57 Mr. Reddick?
10:33:59 Okay. Thank you very much. You're the best.
10:34:01 Anything else?
10:34:04 Thank you.
10:34:04 Anything else by council on this item?
10:34:12 I am going to wait on item 5 and 6 and I'll tell you why.
10:34:15 We have some items we can quickly do.
10:34:17 And I think I am going to go to 53, and then items 5 and 6
10:34:22 if I may at this time.
10:34:23 And that's a pass-through, I believe item, number 53 is a
10:34:30 public hearing.
10:34:31 Non-quasi-judicial proceeding.
10:34:33 You do not have to be sworn.
10:34:37 >>SAL TERRITO: We are here for item number 53.
10:34:40 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I need to open this item first.
10:34:41 Move to open by Mr. Reddick, second by Mrs. Capin.
10:34:45 All in favor?
10:34:46 The ayes have it unanimously.
10:34:48 It's opened, 53.
10:34:50 >>SAL TERRITO: We are here for 53, which is a $6.5 million
10:34:57 note for the Lowry Park Zoo.
10:34:58 We do not have any financial responsibility for the city.
10:35:00 We are required to have the public hearing to give the
10:35:02 public an opportunity, that if you need any more detail on
10:35:06 it other than what I have given you, there are people here
10:35:08 from the zoo that can give you that information.
10:35:10 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Anyone in the public that would care to
10:35:12 speak on item 53?
10:35:14 >> Mike Queno, Holland and Knight, bond counsel, for the
10:35:21 Just a couple of things that I did want to say in advance.
10:35:24 With me is Craig Pugh, CEO of Lowry Park Zoo, and Elizabeth
10:35:28 Hennig, the CFO of the zoo.
10:35:31 In addition, Adam Horn about SunTrust bank.
10:35:35 The Lowry Park Zoo has requested that the city issue on its
10:35:39 behalf the city of Tampa, Florida industrial development
10:35:42 revenue note, Lowry park zoo, 2014, which will finance the
10:35:49 acquisition, construction, renovation, and equipping of
10:35:54 veterinary hospitals, animal holding, commissary and science
10:36:01 center, quarantine holding, and the Florida interpretation
10:36:06 center, 1101 west Sligh Avenue, Tampa, Florida 33604, and as
10:36:15 Mr. Territo mentioned, the proceeds of the --
10:36:23 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank God the zoo hasn't moved.
10:36:25 [ Laughter ]
10:36:27 >> Thank you for everyone's assistance in getting this to be
10:36:29 this point.
10:36:33 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you.
10:36:33 Anyone in the public care to speak on 53?
10:36:36 Let me say this before I close the hearing.
10:36:38 I think we have one of the greatest zoos around.
10:36:41 You can compare it with anywhere in the country.
10:36:43 And it's run by people who are so dedicated and so helpful
10:36:48 when you get there, and they talk to you.
10:36:51 And, in fact, people go there repeatedly.
10:36:56 And that's what makes it the success that it is.
10:36:58 They continue to go back.
10:37:00 And because they are treated well.
10:37:04 And does an outstanding there, and with very little public
10:37:12 If I recall the numbers, 2 or 3%, and compared to other
10:37:18 zoos, they take 40, 50, 60% of public money.
10:37:21 And this zoo, it's financing and doing it on its own, and
10:37:25 sometimes, like anything else, it struggles, but you know
10:37:31 They are very successful.
10:37:33 I thank all of the employees, the board members, I believe
10:37:39 council member Suarez is there, and some chairman appointed
10:37:42 him but I don't even like the chairman and he does a good
10:37:45 job, and I appreciate the job that Councilman Suarez does
10:37:48 there, and all the rest of them.
10:37:50 Yes, sir.
10:37:50 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you, chair.
10:37:52 I think that you probably see that chair every morning.
10:37:56 But one thing that we need to remember is that it is a
10:37:59 public asset owned by the city.
10:38:00 It's one of the few things that we do that we own that we
10:38:05 don't have to put a lot of money into it.
10:38:10 As the previous zoo was a complete embarrassment to the
10:38:13 city, this zoo now, under the leadership of Mr. Pugh, is an
10:38:17 absolute gem and something that should be celebrated
10:38:21 throughout the city.
10:38:21 We were very lucky to have him.
10:38:23 We are very lucky to have the board members that are on that
10:38:26 zoo board, both the foundation side and on the trustee side,
10:38:30 and I will tell you it's a great pressure to serve on that
10:38:33 I appreciate you pointing me to that board.
10:38:36 And always remember that our money, we tab very good care of
10:38:39 what we spend dollars on, and the zoo is very cognizant of
10:38:45 their relationship to us as a city, and they do not come to
10:38:48 the well very often to ask us for a whole lot of stuff.
10:38:51 This is something that is a very easy thing for us to do,
10:38:55 and I appreciate your help in doing this, and thank you,
10:38:59 >>FRANK REDDICK: Thank you, Mr. Chair.
10:39:02 I think Mr. Suarez ought to be reappointed to the board.
10:39:05 [ Laughter ]
10:39:06 I just have two questions.
10:39:17 And I support the zoo and what my colleagues have stated.
10:39:23 And how would this loan be paid back to the city, over what
10:39:27 period of time?
10:39:28 >> The maturity is a six-year final -- actually, it will be
10:39:38 amortized over a longer period of time.
10:39:40 I forget the exact amount.
10:39:42 But it's being done as a draw-down loan and they expect to
10:39:47 pay it as pledges are received.
10:39:49 If you give me a moment.
10:40:02 >> This is not moneys the city is loaning.
10:40:05 They are actually getting it from a bank.
10:40:06 It's not our loan to them so they are not paying us back.
10:40:11 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: A pass through like we have done for
10:40:13 other municipalities.
10:40:13 >> Okay.
10:40:17 >> The structure of the financing is a drawdown facility for
10:40:22 an 18-month period.
10:40:23 The term of the loan is initially five years.
10:40:27 The underlying amortization is based on a 20-year period.
10:40:32 As Michael said, the anticipation is that as pledge dollars
10:40:37 come in.
10:40:51 >> Chair, I move the resolution.
10:40:52 >> Second.
10:40:53 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion by Mr. Reddick.
10:40:57 Anyone else in the public care to speak?
10:41:00 I need a motion to close.
10:41:01 >>FRANK REDDICK: So moved.
10:41:05 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Motion by Mrs. Montelione, seconded by
10:41:07 Mr. Reddick.
10:41:08 >> Move the resolution.
10:41:12 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Moved by Mr. Reddick, seconded by Mr.
10:41:15 Suarez. Further discussion by council members.
10:41:17 All in favor?
10:41:18 The ayes have it unanimously.
10:41:20 Thank you very much for attending.
10:41:21 We go back to item you number 5.
10:41:30 >>CATHERINE COYLE: Planning and development.
10:41:37 I had the opportunity to speak with actually all five of you
10:41:40 As you directed in your motion.
10:41:42 This is dealing with the alcohol regulations for downtown,
10:41:45 and looking at extreme lining some of those processes.
10:41:49 What I have given you when, what we had was a document
10:41:54 entitled January 6th, 2012, and on the second and third
10:41:58 pages were the current regulations in a matrix form, and I
10:42:02 had recommended on page 3 some of those minor modifications
10:42:06 for clean-up of the language, changing the term music to
10:42:10 sound, correcting the outline format.
10:42:13 We had A and B and it should be one and two.
10:42:17 Chapter 3 was mentioned for hours.
10:42:19 It's chapter 14 now, some basic clean-up items.
10:42:24 The recommendation that we had for some situations that we
10:42:30 have had downtown, others have come in and asked for a place
10:42:35 to have on-site consumption and package in each of the
10:42:39 business, but we didn't have the opportunity
10:42:40 administratively in downtown.
10:42:43 And when I highlighted to council was when we changed the
10:42:49 recalls it was literally a complete oversight on my part and
10:42:52 I won't even blame Mrs. Kert for it.
10:42:56 We obviously meant for uses downtown to be administrative
10:43:02 because we had the bars downtown put in administratively but
10:43:07 not other interesting uses.
10:43:09 So if you are a hair salon downtown and you want to sell
10:43:14 wine to your customer you can't unless you come to City
10:43:16 So with that being said, we were recommending just a
10:43:20 catch-all only downtown in the Channel District for general
10:43:24 and incidental sales.
10:43:25 And then I mentioned two criteria, the possibility, one was
10:43:29 the outdoor amplified sounds, stopping at 1:00, potentially,
10:43:33 which A lines itself with the regulations for downtown.
10:43:38 And the second criteria is the common one in every single
10:43:43 category that we have which is no sales allowed in the
10:43:46 parking or loading areas.
10:43:47 And I left enough space on the page if there are any other
10:43:50 conditions you wanted to mention or talk about or have any
10:43:54 questions on.
10:43:54 But I can include this in the January cycle because it's
10:43:57 before the deadline, and to move forward with it.
10:44:01 Just for the record, the people that are listening, it's
10:44:04 solely downtown in the Channel District because I am focused
10:44:07 on that particular motion based on the motion of council,
10:44:11 this is not city-wide.
10:44:12 And the reason for the catch all for general sales, and
10:44:15 that's why I included the definitions on page 2, the only
10:44:19 establishment that we have for alcohol is a bar or lounge.
10:44:27 50% or less.
10:44:28 And thinking of going through trying to define every single
10:44:32 possible use that has alcohol would be a nightmare.
10:44:37 So it seems the most logical catch-all.
10:44:41 I'm available for any questions.
10:44:43 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Any questions by council members?
10:44:44 By the way that was very informative.
10:44:50 I met with you and it was very well done.
10:44:52 Any other questions by council members?
10:44:56 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Just one.
10:44:58 You have 1 a.m. under the no outdoor amplified sound after 1
10:45:04 And then on number 4, no outdoor ample fade sound after 1
10:45:11 It is agreed upon here, right?
10:45:15 That you just added that?
10:45:19 >> Yes, I added that.
10:45:20 Well, number 4 on the next painful, that's current code.
10:45:25 What I am correcting, if you notice, for some reason it says
10:45:32 no outdoor amplified after 1 a.m.
10:45:37 And just to clarify, that's current.
10:45:38 >> Thank you for clarifying that.
10:45:43 And as our chairman indicated, my meeting with you was also
10:45:48 very informative.
10:45:50 Thank you very much.
10:45:52 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
10:45:53 Mrs. Montelione?
10:45:54 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I had my hand out.
10:46:03 And we made eye contact.
10:46:06 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Maybe that's why I missed your hand.
10:46:08 >>LISA MONTELIONE: On number 4 again, on the second page of
10:46:11 your matrix, it says only those located within central
10:46:15 business district.
10:46:17 What's the current code for those items, those requirements
10:46:24 in Channelside?
10:46:26 >> Oh, with than the Channel District is City Council
10:46:31 >>LISA MONTELIONE: So we are changing, on the first page,
10:46:39 the general incidental sales in both Channelside and in the
10:46:44 central business district.
10:46:50 And there is a central business district code that allows
10:46:54 administrative approval of bars and lounges and so on?
10:46:59 >> Yes. 2010 that was the only specific area that council
10:47:04 and the public are comfortable as far as administratively.
10:47:08 >>LISA MONTELIONE: And we would not want to offer
10:47:15 We are hoping what Channelside is or becomes, encouraging
10:47:22 and making it less cumbersome, and Channelside would be
10:47:29 where I want to go, because we want that area to develop and
10:47:31 grow and prosper, and -- the.
10:47:41 >>CATHERINE COYLE: It's a policy decision.
10:47:42 The only thing I would recommend, if it has locations that
10:47:49 are brought up our there is some other use than alcohol --
10:47:52 >> It was brought to my attention by a business owner that
10:47:55 had to come to us and didn't know why this had to come to
10:47:58 >> Right.
10:48:00 But as far as allowing a bar administratively in the Channel
10:48:02 District, as an extension of downtown, it's a policy
10:48:07 decision by council.
10:48:08 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I would like to see that change.
10:48:12 I guess we'll see some of the others.
10:48:15 Channelside has this distinctive character from downtown,
10:48:21 but when people who are in the outer reaches of the city or
10:48:27 in the county or in Pinellas, they maybe don't see the
10:48:29 difference between Channelside and downtown because of the
10:48:33 activity of the two.
10:48:34 >> The only thing I would add it is a smaller area and does
10:48:38 have a higher concentration of residential units in the
10:48:40 So general incidental sales is probably a little more
10:48:44 customary to retail components.
10:48:49 I guess in the context of having a bar on every block, it's
10:48:56 really a policy decision.
10:48:57 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Okay.
10:49:00 And number 5, you and I had talked about this as well, in
10:49:04 the modifications, that I would like to see -- and I guess
10:49:11 we have separate motions.
10:49:12 I would make a separate motion for this.
10:49:14 That the hours of operation and the outdoor amplified music
10:49:23 be tied together, because the hours of operation, you have
10:49:26 currently is limited 11 to 1 a.m., would be outdoor
10:49:33 amplified sounds, which you change from music to sounds,
10:49:37 would be till 11.
10:49:39 I would like to make a motion to align those two for
10:49:42 consistency and we don't have two different standards, that
10:49:45 you can be open till 1 but you have to stop playing music at
10:49:48 11 outside.
10:49:51 It would be confusing to enforce, I would assume.
10:49:54 And the other is that when we talked about it -- and I think
10:50:00 there's only a couple of places in the city where really
10:50:02 this would apply.
10:50:05 My district of New Tampa being one, we used the example when
10:50:08 we met of be a Chili's located on Bruce B. Downs, and behind
10:50:18 the Chili's is a Home Depot.
10:50:21 There is no residential anywhere close by, by any stretch of
10:50:24 the imagination, is all commercial, and I think that that
10:50:32 provision for outdoor amplified music shouldn't apply when
10:50:39 you are in a setting like we have in International Plaza,
10:50:44 one of the places that you brought up, where it's a
10:50:46 commercial development, it is all commercial development,
10:50:49 it's upwards of so many thousands square feet, the number
10:50:53 that you and I came up with was 10,000 square feet,
10:50:56 multi-tenant, on a commercial roadway such as an arterial
10:51:01 roadway, where there's in a reason why we should prohibit
10:51:06 outdoor amplified sound at a place like that, because, I
10:51:10 mean, there's nothing around that or no residential around
10:51:17 that center that would cause, you know, anybody discontent.
10:51:22 So I would like to see that if maybe you can explain more
10:51:27 eloquently than I do.
10:51:28 >> Just to clarify, we did discuss it.
10:51:31 And what I mentioned, too, was, my concern on doing it was
10:51:37 obviously even in new Tampa where you have the large
10:51:40 commercial parcels, there are some pockets where there are
10:51:44 apartments, or subdivisions behind it.
10:51:47 I didn't want to embed in the administrative process a
10:51:51 distance separation for sound, exemptions to sound, or
10:51:55 distance of any kind, because the S-1 process, too, and of
10:52:02 the costs less as well.
10:52:03 So having the distance separation requires additional work
10:52:08 for the surveyor to do and additional requirements for
10:52:10 review, which can be costly, which we have heard over time
10:52:14 how much that costs.
10:52:15 So in listening to what you talked about, I mentioned
10:52:22 convenience, retail, if you are log at something like that,
10:52:27 trying to define it, but you want it to be all commercial,
10:52:30 multi-tenant, bigger event, a Walgreens or something, large
10:52:36 commercial --
10:52:38 >> And that development.
10:52:41 >> On an arterial roadway, not just a cross street, that you
10:52:44 are going to puck up collectors like MacDill, talking
10:52:48 arterial, you are talking Hillsborough.
10:52:50 The big part of Dale Mabry, Dr. Martin Luther King, Bruce B.
10:52:56 >> Yes, 8-lane roadway.
10:52:58 >> The only way to be do it is that it's not adjacent to be
10:53:01 a residential zoning district specifics.
10:53:07 But that's -- as I mentioned, there has to be a consensus
10:53:12 for that.
10:53:12 >>LISA MONTELIONE: And it just came when I was looking at
10:53:18 the criteria and thinking about some of the -- some of the
10:53:23 requests or the discussions that we have been having.
10:53:29 We have been having a lot of meetings up in New Tampa, and,
10:53:33 you know, one of the things that residents say is missing is
10:53:37 that, you know, type of wine bars, venue where you can go
10:53:42 and sit outside, and listen to music, and enjoy the
10:53:48 beautiful weather we have here that are they don't have in
10:53:49 the rest of the country.
10:53:50 >> Are they restaurants?
10:53:52 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Yes, some of them restaurants, yes.
10:53:55 >> So we discussed as a special restaurant requirement.
10:53:59 You could literally say Bruce B. Downs.
10:54:02 We could limit it --
10:54:05 >>LISA MONTELIONE: And you are looking for more options.
10:54:07 >>CATHERINE COYLE: Okay.
10:54:10 >>LISA MONTELIONE: And other parts of the city have those
10:54:13 And the development patterns in New Tampa are so different,
10:54:17 you have the residential cluster development and
10:54:20 subdivisions, and then all your commercial development, most
10:54:25 of it is either cross street, County Line Road, Bruce B.
10:54:29 >> If that's the area that we are really honing in on
10:54:35 because of that unique pattern, I would prefer to keep to
10:54:37 the that corridor because it is a defined area.
10:54:40 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Maybe you can work on some language that
10:54:42 you can bring forward?
10:54:44 >> As long as there's a motion directing me.
10:54:46 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Yes, we will do that.
10:54:48 You had two concerns on items.
10:54:50 Do you want to mach those two motions, Messrs. Montelione?
10:54:53 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Sure.
10:54:55 I would motion that -- and I'll refer to your matrix numbers
10:55:01 just to keep it simple.
10:55:02 On the matrix item, page 23, item number 5, that the number
10:55:09 A, the hours of operation, be limited to 11 p.m. and 1 a.m.,
10:55:19 be made consistent with the provision for outdoor amplified
10:55:23 sound for consistency.
10:55:26 >> I think you mean that in reverse just to clarify.
10:55:33 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Yes.
10:55:33 >> You want the outdoor amplified sound --
10:55:38 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Yes.
10:55:43 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion by Mrs. Montelione,
10:55:45 seconded by Mr. Suarez.
10:55:46 Further discussion by council members on that motion?
10:55:48 All in favor of the motion?
10:55:50 Opposed? The ayes have it unanimously.
10:55:54 Oh, I'm sorry.
10:55:57 It's 4 to 1.
10:55:59 >> Who voted against?
10:56:05 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Mrs. Capin.
10:56:06 >> And the second motion is Mrs. Coyle brings forward
10:56:11 changes to the Land Development Code that would provide
10:56:19 exemption from -- exemption from?
10:56:25 Ms. Coyle, how would I -- from the current code for outdoor
10:56:29 ample fade music, if the restaurant is a special restaurant
10:56:33 used or located in arterial roadway located within a
10:56:38 multi-tenant, greater than 10,000 square foot commercial
10:56:42 >> Are you wanting to limit to the Bruce B. Downs?
10:56:48 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I would like to include just the
10:56:51 arterials, because -- and we have something across the
10:56:54 street from Raymond James stadium, or we have something on
10:56:57 Hillsborough Avenue.
10:56:59 That's Mr. Reddick's district.
10:57:01 If it's a huge commercial development, and there's nothing
10:57:06 around it, if it's 10,000 square feet, there's not going to
10:57:09 be any residential.
10:57:10 I mean, we could make it not adjacent to be a residential
10:57:15 development or zoned parcel.
10:57:18 I could include that.
10:57:20 As a requirement all commercial development greater than
10:57:26 10,000 square feet where there is no zoned, residentially
10:57:33 zoned parcels immediately adjacent.
10:57:37 And you are on an arterial roadway.
10:57:44 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Other council members want to be speak on
10:57:46 Let me just say this.
10:57:47 These things are fine, and we are talking about it now, and
10:57:53 historical facts we have.
10:57:54 I don't know what's going to happen tomorrow.
10:57:56 I don't know what buildings are going to come up next to
10:57:58 something else.
10:57:59 I don't even know what buildings are going to come up in
10:58:02 The towers are coming up as planned, and I just don't know
10:58:05 what's coming up.
10:58:07 There might even be -- not that it's going to have my
10:58:12 vote -- a stadium.
10:58:15 Not a baseball stadium, just a stadium.
10:58:17 And be vacant all the time. These are the things that might
10:58:29 And I don't know how that applies to what happens tomorrow.
10:58:32 >>LISA MONTELIONE: If you look at the map and use the
10:58:39 examples that I used for Mrs. Coyle, and you see that 8-lane
10:58:45 roadway, an outparcel and nothing but commercial development
10:58:49 around it, those criteria doesn't matter, the future is
10:58:55 that's going to be a commercial development over 10,000
10:58:58 square feet.
10:58:59 If it's not, it's not.
10:59:00 And if there's residentially zoned property adjacent to it,
10:59:04 then they can't get that exemption.
10:59:07 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Okay.
10:59:07 You clarified that. Any others?
10:59:10 We have a motion.
10:59:11 Do I have a second?
10:59:12 Seconded by Mr. Suarez.
10:59:13 Further discussion by council members on that portion?
10:59:15 All in favor of the motion please signify by saying aye.
10:59:18 Opposed nay.
10:59:20 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Nay.
10:59:20 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Motion passes 4-1.
10:59:22 >> With Capin voting no.
10:59:30 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'll tell you what I am going to do with
10:59:32 council's consent.
10:59:33 I am going to go and skip over our committee reports.
10:59:36 I have individuals here that are representing their clients.
10:59:39 And they are getting charged.
10:59:41 So with that I am going to ask council to open 49 through
10:59:47 Motion by Mrs. Montelione.
10:59:49 Seconded by Mr. Suarez.
10:59:50 All in favor of the motion indicate by saying aye.
10:59:53 Opposed nay.
10:59:53 The ayes have it unanimously.
10:59:55 Items 49 through 52 are now open.
10:59:58 These are quasi-judicial.
11:00:00 Anyone speaking on 49 through 52 would have to be sworn in.
11:00:04 So at this time if you have any intention of speaking,
11:00:08 please stand up and be sworn in.
11:00:10 (Oath administered by Clerk).
11:00:21 >>GLORIA MOREDA: Land development on item number 49.
11:00:23 The site man has been certified.
11:00:26 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
11:00:26 Is petitioner here?
11:00:32 >>STEVE MICHELINI: We have made the corrections as requested
11:00:33 by staff.
11:00:34 And according to the motion made by City Council.
11:00:39 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Anyone in the public care to speak on
11:00:40 item number 49?
11:00:44 Do you want rebuttal tame?
11:00:48 I have a motion to close by Mr. Reddick.
11:00:51 Seconded by Mrs. Montelione.
11:00:52 All in favor of the motion?
11:00:54 The ayes have it unanimously.
11:00:55 At this time we go left to right.
11:00:57 Mrs. Montelione, number 49.
11:00:59 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I move an ordinance presented for second
11:01:03 reading and adoption, an ordinance approving a special use
11:01:06 permit S-2 for alcoholic beverage sales, special restaurant
11:01:11 consumption on premises only, and making lawful the sale of
11:01:15 beverages regardless of alcoholic content, beer and Wayne
11:01:17 and liquor, on that certain plot or lot or tract of landed,
11:01:24 3018 best Kennedy Boulevard, Tampa, Florida as more
11:01:28 particularly described in section 2 that all ordinances or
11:01:31 parts of ordinances are in -- in conflict are repealed,
11:01:35 providing an effective date.
11:01:36 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a second by Mr. Suarez.
11:01:37 This is a roll call vote.
11:01:39 Vote and record.
11:01:39 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried with Mulhern and Cohen being
11:01:57 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Item number 50.
11:01:58 >>BARBARA LYNCH: Item 50 is a vacating of Sherill Street.
11:02:04 Staff had no objection.
11:02:05 I'm here to answer any questions.
11:02:07 >> Truett Gardner, north Ashley, here to answer any
11:02:13 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Anyone to speak on number 50, 507?
11:02:18 Any rebuttal time?
11:02:20 Motion to close by Mrs. Montelione, second by Mr. Suarez.
11:02:23 All in favor?
11:02:24 The ayes have it unanimously.
11:02:26 Mr. Reddick, would you kindly take number 50?
11:02:30 >>FRANK REDDICK: Move an ordinance being presented for
11:02:32 second reading and adoption, an order vacating, closing,
11:02:33 discontinuing, abandoning a portion of Sherill Street
11:02:38 located south of Cypress Street and north of lemon street in
11:02:42 Tampania subdivision, a subdivision in the City of Tampa,
11:02:45 Hillsborough County, Florida, the same being more
11:02:47 particularly described in section 1 hereof subject to
11:02:49 certain easement reservations, covenants, conditions and
11:02:53 restrictions more particularly set forth herein, providing
11:02:57 an effective date.
11:03:02 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion for second reading by Mr.
11:03:03 Reddick, seconded by Mr. Suarez.
11:03:06 Roll call vote.
11:03:08 Vote and record.
11:03:08 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried with Mulhern and Cohen being
11:03:17 >> Item number 51.
11:03:22 Is petitioner here?
11:03:26 Anyone here representing -- item 51, an ordinance of the
11:03:34 property at 2809 north 21st street, city of Tampa,
11:03:40 Anyone in the public care to speak on this ordinance number
11:03:42 51? 51?
11:03:44 >>FRANK REDDICK: Move to close 124 motion to close by Mr.
11:03:47 Reddick, second by Mrs. Montelione.
11:03:49 All in favor?
11:03:51 The ayes have it unanimously.
11:03:53 Mrs. Capin, would you take number 51, please?
11:03:56 >>YVONNE CAPIN: An ordinance rezoning property in the
11:03:58 general vicinity of 2809 north 21st street in the city
11:04:01 of Tampa, Florida and more particularly described in section
11:04:03 1 from zoning district classifications RS-50 top residential
11:04:09 single-family to CN commercial neighborhood, providing an
11:04:12 effective date.
11:04:14 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion by Mrs. Capin, seconded
11:04:18 by Mr. Suarez.
11:04:19 This is a roll call vote.
11:04:21 Vote and record.
11:04:21 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried with Mulhern and Cohen being
11:04:35 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Item 52.
11:04:36 >>ABBYE FEELEY: Land Development Coordination.
11:04:39 Item number 52, the plans have been certified.
11:04:42 Unfortunately, I do not see the applicant present here on 52
11:04:45 Just wanted to let you know.
11:04:47 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Day.
11:04:48 Anyone here representing item number 52?
11:04:51 Is the applicant or person here, friend, whatever, neighbor?
11:04:57 >> Move to close.
11:04:58 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Motion to close by Mrs. Montelione.
11:05:00 Seconded by Mr. Reddick.
11:05:02 All in favor of the motion? Opposed?
11:05:03 The ayes have it unanimously.
11:05:04 Mr. Suarez, would you kindly take number 52, please?
11:05:07 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I present an ordinance for second reading
11:05:10 and adoption, an ordinance rezoning property in the general
11:05:13 vicinity of 1810 and 1812 West Kennedy Boulevard and 112
11:05:19 south Fremont Avenue in the city of Tampa, Florida and more
11:05:22 particularly described in section 1 from zoning district
11:05:25 classification PD planned development, office,
11:05:28 business/professional and retail, to PD, planned
11:05:31 development, office, business/professional, providing an
11:05:34 effective date.
11:05:34 >> Second.
11:05:37 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion by Mr. Suarez, second by
11:05:39 Mrs. Reddick.
11:05:40 Roll call vote on item 52.
11:05:44 Vote and record.
11:05:51 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried with Mulhern and Cohen being
11:06:01 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Okay.
11:06:02 Council, we go back to committee reports.
11:06:07 Public Safety Committee, items 7 through 11.
11:06:11 Chairman is Mr. Frank Reddick.
11:06:13 >>FRANK REDDICK: Move items 7 through 11.
11:06:16 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a second by Mr. Suarez.
11:06:18 Further discussion by council members?
11:06:19 All in favor of the motion please indicate by saying aye.
11:06:21 Opposed nay.
11:06:22 The ayes have it unanimously.
11:06:24 Parks, Recreation, Culture Committee, vice chair Mrs. Lisa
11:06:28 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I move item 12 through 16.
11:06:33 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a second by Councilman Suarez.
11:06:35 All in favor of the motion?
11:06:38 The ayes have it unanimously.
11:06:43 Public Works Committee chair, Mr. Suarez.
11:06:45 >> I move items 17 through 27.
11:06:47 >> Second.
11:06:49 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a second by Mr. Reddick.
11:06:50 Further discussion by council members?
11:06:52 All in favor of the motion --
11:06:54 >> Can I say something?
11:06:55 I always give public works a hard time about buying vehicles
11:06:59 that are not sufficient efficient and all of the vehicles
11:07:02 that solid waste are all compressed natural gas and I am
11:07:06 very happy.
11:07:07 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I hope your next one is the same way.
11:07:09 Any discussion by council members on that one?
11:07:11 All in favor of the motion please indicate by saying aye.
11:07:14 Opposed nay.
11:07:14 The ayes have it unanimously.
11:07:17 Finance be committee vice chairman Mike Suarez, finance.
11:07:23 >> I move items 28 and 29.
11:07:26 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion by Mr. Suarez for Finance
11:07:29 Committee chair.
11:07:30 All in fair of the motion, seconded by Mr. Reddick, please
11:07:33 indicate by saying aye.
11:07:35 Opposed nay.
11:07:36 The ayes have it unanimously.
11:07:37 Building, zoning, preservation committee chair, Mrs. Lisa --
11:07:41 Lisa Montelione.
11:07:42 >>LISA MONTELIONE: And again before I move this item I
11:07:45 wanted to point out that items 39 and 40 are and more so 39
11:07:51 is a very important one because we are embarking on a
11:07:58 program to loan a half million dollar to construct 30
11:08:01 multifamily rental units in the city to create low and
11:08:06 moderate income housing for veterans, and it's something
11:08:08 that council has talked about a long time, and is moving
11:08:11 forward with addressing some of the issues in our city for
11:08:17 those who are very, very poor, and this is a step forward.
11:08:23 So I just want to point that out.
11:08:24 With that I will move items 30 through 44.
11:08:29 >> Second.
11:08:29 >> For the record, 38 is a substitution and --
11:08:35 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Got it.
11:08:36 As passed earlier.
11:08:37 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Move the substitution.
11:08:40 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Motion by Mrs. Montelione.
11:08:42 Second by Mr. Suarez on that.
11:08:43 All in favor of the motion please indicate by saying aye.
11:08:46 Opposed nay.
11:08:46 The ayes have it unanimously.
11:08:48 Transportation committee chair, Yvonne Yolie Capin.
11:08:53 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I move items 45 and 46.
11:08:54 >> Second.
11:08:55 >> Motion by Mrs. Capin.
11:08:56 Second by Mrs. Montelione.
11:08:58 All in favor? Opposed?
11:08:59 The ayes have it unanimously.
11:09:01 Need a motion to set public hearing on 47 and 48.
11:09:05 Motion by Mrs. Montelione.
11:09:06 Second by Mr. Suarez.
11:09:08 All in favor of that motion?
11:09:10 The ayes have it unanimously.
11:09:13 We go back to public hearings.
11:09:15 I need to open 54 and 55.
11:09:18 I have a motion by Mrs. Montelione.
11:09:20 Seconded by Mr. Suarez on 54 and 55 to open.
11:09:23 All in favor of the motion?
11:09:25 The ayes have it unanimously.
11:09:27 Anyone wishing to speak on these two items, these are
11:09:30 quasi-judicial hearings.
11:09:32 You have to be sworn in.
11:09:33 Please stand and raise your hand and get sworn in.
11:09:35 (Oath administered by Clerk).
11:09:46 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: 54.
11:09:47 Yes, ma'am.
11:09:56 >>GLORIA MOREDA: Land development.
11:09:59 This is a petition for review.
11:10:03 The property is question is located at 1003 east 24th
11:10:12 Wilfred Sekajipo is the applicant, also the property owner.
11:10:20 He's asking for extended family residence at this location.
11:10:24 They are needing a waiver of the setback requirement.
11:10:30 On the list of criteria for the specific special use, you
11:10:36 will see the item, required the structure be a conform use.
11:10:43 There is an existing nonconforming structure in the rear
11:10:48 that is being converted for the extended family residence
11:10:56 the you will see on the Elmo.
11:10:57 The structure is at a zero setback on the rear, and a 1.6
11:11:03 setback on the western side.
11:11:06 The code requires a 3-foot setback.
11:11:09 You look closely at that drawing, you will see that the
11:11:12 structure does encroach into the public right-of-way -- of
11:11:16 the alley.
11:11:17 The applicant has gone through the process to get approval
11:11:20 from the city for the encroachment of that structure.
11:11:25 We have no objection at that point going forward with
11:11:30 council considering the waivers to allow for that structure
11:11:33 being used for the extended family residence.
11:11:36 That is the one criteria that the applicant is needing
11:11:38 relief on.
11:11:40 Otherwise, the structure will be housing for his
11:11:48 I also wanted to point out in the submittal to you, I did
11:11:54 receive a number of letters in objection and in support of
11:12:00 the applicant.
11:12:01 Some of the letters indicated that the property was -- I
11:12:09 wanted council to be aware that he did submit comments to
11:12:13 convert the structure to a single-family residence, which
11:12:17 the code requires as an extended family residence,
11:12:20 supporting single-family dwelling use.
11:12:23 So staff has in objection with them going forward in that
11:12:31 This is a photograph showing the existing structure.
11:12:36 And this one shows the accessory building that is to be
11:12:43 converted to the extended family dwelling use, and how it
11:12:47 encroaches into the alley to some degree.
11:12:53 The applicant is here to answer any questions you may have.
11:13:00 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Come forward, please.
11:13:14 >> My name is Wilfred Sekajipo, the owner of the property at
11:13:19 1003 east 24th.
11:13:26 I live in this neighborhood.
11:13:27 I work in this neighborhood.
11:13:31 I'm a teacher at Blake high school.
11:13:32 My wife is a social worker.
11:13:46 You I'm invested in the neighborhood and I was blessed a
11:13:49 couple of years ago, because of the whole economic situation
11:13:56 the house basically, the cost of the home dropped almost 50%
11:13:59 and that's the only way I was able to afford that on a
11:14:01 teacher's salary.
11:14:03 I had an unused garage that it just seemed like a good idea
11:14:11 to fix it up and my mother-in-law oh could stay there.
11:14:13 I do admit we started this process unusually without
11:14:17 obtaining a permit.
11:14:18 This is my first home.
11:14:19 For the past six months been working with the city, and
11:14:22 filing the paperwork to get it resolved.
11:14:27 Really, my heart is to provide space for her.
11:14:34 This is my home.
11:14:35 The community is my home.
11:14:36 I have no intentions to be a neglect owner or this is not a
11:14:41 boarding home.
11:14:43 So with your permission I would like to continue to move
11:14:45 forward with that project.
11:14:51 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Mr. Reddick?
11:14:53 >>FRANK REDDICK: Thank you.
11:14:54 Let me get some clarification from you.
11:14:57 Because I know I received quite a few e-mails from people
11:15:02 who live in that community.
11:15:06 Prior to you coming before us, have you had a chance to meet
11:15:10 with the representatives of that community?
11:15:17 >> I had to send out the general notice, and then I sent a
11:15:22 notice to the neighborhood association.
11:15:25 To my knowledge, until yesterday I was not aware that anyone
11:15:30 had any objections.
11:15:31 I received a call at 4:00 yesterday alerting me to this.
11:15:38 My neighbor is the previous neighborhood association
11:15:42 president, and so she was not aware there was an issue
11:15:47 She actually wrote a letter in support of this project.
11:15:49 She owns the property next to me and behind me.
11:15:53 And so I'm not quite sure where or why opposition has come
11:16:01 But all the people that live and know me, you know, support
11:16:06 and I have some supporting letters here.
11:16:08 And the objections that were raised, I'm not sure if you had
11:16:13 a chance to read my letter just trying to clarify some of
11:16:15 the misconceptions.
11:16:17 But Mrs. Bailey, I feel, doesn't know the facts of the case
11:16:22 nor does she know me.
11:16:23 And I really wish that she would -- actually went to the
11:16:28 neighborhood association meeting yesterday, once I was aware
11:16:32 of the objection, but she wouldn't even considering
11:16:35 She would object to it.
11:16:37 And so I had --
11:16:39 >> That's the reason I raise the question, is because the
11:16:42 e-mail that I received is from Mrs. Bailey, and she has an
11:16:50 allegation that she made that you started construction prior
11:16:55 to seeking the proper permit.
11:16:57 >> Yes, sir.
11:16:58 When we first started the project, we did not have any -- so
11:17:07 that was brought to our attention in June.
11:17:09 We have been trying to follow procedures to take care of
11:17:12 that and resolve that process.
11:17:13 And we initially, I went down to go and get a permit, and
11:17:18 then all of a sudden I was made aware that you have a
11:17:20 structure that's encroaching.
11:17:22 I said, what do you mean?
11:17:23 You know, I was buying a home.
11:17:28 I wasn't really -- I was excited.
11:17:33 And I wasn't aware this was an issue when I bought the home.
11:17:36 In the past, trying to figure out what to do, we thought
11:17:39 about vacating the alley.
11:17:41 That was not feasible.
11:17:42 Then I guess we went with the encroachment application.
11:17:46 And so that's really what happened.
11:17:50 But since we were made aware that you could not do the work,
11:17:54 we have stopped, and we have done everything that's been
11:17:56 asked of us up to this point to be comply with what the city
11:18:00 wants as far as fees and everything else.
11:18:03 >>FRANK REDDICK: Let me ask you this final question.
11:18:07 You mentioned that the previous president.
11:18:12 >> Say it one more time?
11:18:14 >>FRANK REDDICK: The previous president of the neighborhood
11:18:16 association has property next door to where you currently
11:18:19 are buying this property.
11:18:25 How many?
11:18:26 Is it one person or more than one person that will be living
11:18:28 in this property?
11:18:32 >> My family lives there, sir.
11:18:35 And the home is 3500 square feet.
11:18:41 I have a wife and a son.
11:18:44 And I have people with me who I would consider family.
11:18:49 For me family goes beyond blood.
11:18:52 I didn't see my mother until I was 16 years old.
11:18:54 So just because you are blood, I feel like family goes a
11:18:58 little longer than that.
11:18:59 These are people I trust.
11:19:00 These are God parents to my kids.
11:19:02 These are people that we share life together.
11:19:04 And because of circumstances, I have a home, and I have been
11:19:06 able to provide that space for them in the meantime.
11:19:12 But in the meantime, you know, I can provide something quiet
11:19:18 for my mother-in-law.
11:19:19 >>FRANK REDDICK: And in conclusion, let me just say, vacant
11:19:26 properties, properties that are in that neighborhood, and if
11:19:29 someone like you is willing to invest and raise your family,
11:19:33 and you are a professional person, you say you teach at
11:19:37 >> Yes, sir.
11:19:37 >>FRANK REDDICK: So your wife, you mentioned about social
11:19:43 >> Yes, sir.
11:19:43 >>FRANK REDDICK: So you are bringing a professional family
11:19:47 into an almost impoverished neighborhood, it seems like the
11:19:51 citizens there embrace you instead of seasoning out these
11:19:58 negative e-mails that discredit you.
11:20:06 I try to limit my time.
11:20:12 So let me just say that I am going to support this.
11:20:20 And I encourage you to become a part of that association
11:20:24 over there.
11:20:26 And I think as a professional family, professional man and
11:20:33 father, with your waive, you ought to be good citizens for
11:20:38 that community.
11:20:39 And I encourage you to make that house the type of home you
11:20:44 want it to be.
11:20:45 And I am going to support this.
11:20:46 Thank you.
11:20:47 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have Mrs. Montelione and Mrs. Capin.
11:20:49 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Thank you.
11:20:54 Mr. Sekajipo, is the property homesteaded so when you filed
11:20:59 as your primary residential?
11:21:01 >> Yes, ma'am.
11:21:02 >>LISA MONTELIONE: And Mr. Reddick got to all of the things
11:21:05 that that I would have said.
11:21:07 And I understand about the extended family and wanting to
11:21:12 share your home with those that you consider family.
11:21:16 So thank you for taking the tame.
11:21:20 I know it's a lot more than you had anticipate you had.
11:21:23 Welcome to the world of home ownership.
11:21:28 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Mrs. Capin?
11:21:29 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I have a letter.
11:21:32 Mrs. Eng, is that your next door neighbor?
11:21:36 >> No, that's a friend.
11:21:40 Mrs. Evelyn is my neighbor.
11:21:42 >> And one of the letters that I have -- and I have several
11:21:45 here -- mainly we are concerned with setting a precedence.
11:21:51 It was started without the proper permit.
11:21:55 And being a first-time homeowner, I can empathize with what
11:22:00 you were trying to do for your home and for your family.
11:22:07 But mainly, that was the concern that I could see here.
11:22:12 It is zoned single-family.
11:22:15 Right now.
11:22:16 It went from duplex to single-family.
11:22:19 That's what the zoning is now.
11:22:20 Snow, very well.
11:22:24 And Mr. Reddick did expound on the amount of residents that
11:22:34 are for lack of a better word, because of the economic
11:22:40 straits that we went through, and to have someone come in
11:22:42 and fix it up, it is from the photo a beautiful home, and
11:22:47 congratulations on being able to -- is it your first home?
11:22:51 >> Yes, ma'am.
11:22:52 >> And normally, I would venture to, when someone does this,
11:23:03 this is something we don't normally condone, that you get
11:23:07 started and then it's because of the -- but I do believe in
11:23:11 your case, I do believe that you felt that was something
11:23:16 that was within your home ownership to be able to enclose
11:23:20 the garage.
11:23:20 Is that what it is?
11:23:22 It's a garage, correct?
11:23:23 >> Yes, right.
11:23:26 >>YVONNE CAPIN: And that the zoning administrator doesn't
11:23:30 have any objection to the encroachment into the alleyway and
11:23:36 to the right-of-way.
11:23:37 So I am tending to support this.
11:23:42 That's all I have to say.
11:23:44 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you.
11:23:44 Mr. Suarez?
11:23:45 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you.
11:23:46 I have a quick question.
11:23:50 You are essentially improving the already existing
11:23:54 When we talk about building permit, it is -- you are kind of
11:23:57 finishing the room inside, correct?
11:24:00 >> The permit I'm told to get is because we put water --
11:24:07 water for the bathroom.
11:24:09 >>MIKE SUAREZ: So you did a water line adjacent.
11:24:12 So the building itself, the adjacent building, was already a
11:24:19 finished room?
11:24:21 Is that what it is?
11:24:22 >> Well, it was the garage.
11:24:24 And so, you know, we enclosed it and trade to, you know,
11:24:28 basically it was a house like a living space, a small
11:24:32 bathroom, a small kitchen.
11:24:33 >> So you were improving the inside of it.
11:24:35 These what I was asking.
11:24:38 And you mentioned that you are a teacher.
11:24:40 And you never even thought that you would need to pull a
11:24:44 permit for that?
11:24:46 In I'm just asking.
11:24:48 You're a first time homeowner. We all go through this.
11:24:51 We dealt with these issues a lot.
11:24:53 And there's a reason why we ask you these questions.
11:24:55 It has nothing to do with you specifically but it has to do
11:24:58 with be the way that we set up our code, and we set up our
11:25:01 So I have to ask you.
11:25:03 You are professional.
11:25:05 You never even thought that you might need a permit?
11:25:10 >> You know, I have some skills.
11:25:12 >> I understand.
11:25:13 >> So I got some time.
11:25:15 And we were excited.
11:25:16 And we got started, sir.
11:25:18 And, you know, one inspector came, went down, he told me the
11:25:25 fees to pay.
11:25:26 I said like no problem.
11:25:27 Then all these other problems.
11:25:29 >> Well, obviously.
11:25:30 The other issue is something different.
11:25:32 And I don't want -- because that's something you probably
11:25:35 would not have known, unless when you bought the property
11:25:37 they had said, by the way, you have a structure that's
11:25:40 nonconform to our zoning law.
11:25:43 So that's a different issue.
11:25:46 That's the only question I have is about the permit.
11:25:49 I am going to ask a question of our staff.
11:25:53 Ms. Moreda, could I ask you a quick question?
11:25:55 We are denying this originally.
11:25:58 If you could go up.
11:26:00 Thank you.
11:26:01 We are denying this.
11:26:03 Is it only because of the nonconforming accessory to the
11:26:08 Because there was some other language as part of the code
11:26:10 that I wanted to ask you about.
11:26:11 Is that the main reason?
11:26:15 >>GLORIA MOREDA: That is the sole reason.
11:26:17 The criteria for extended family residence does not allow
11:26:21 that use in a nonconforming structure.
11:26:24 And this is a nonconforming structure.
11:26:26 >> And the reason I ask is that because there are other
11:26:29 criteria that's in there for temporary arrangement, some
11:26:33 other things, but that does not --
11:26:36 >> Top comply with all the other requirements.
11:26:40 >> That's what I wanted to know.
11:26:42 Sir, could you come back up here?
11:26:43 The reason I was asking that, because she mentioned you are
11:26:46 conforming to everything else in here, meaning that this is
11:26:49 not a place in which people will be renting, it is meant
11:26:55 primarily and solely for the use by your family.
11:26:58 So that's one of the reasons why I wanted to ask those
11:27:01 >> Yes.
11:27:04 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you very much.
11:27:05 That's all I have.
11:27:06 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Does anyone else care to speak on this
11:27:09 item, 54?
11:27:10 Anyone like to speak on this item?
11:27:13 Please come forward.
11:27:16 >> David Smith, 1203 east 15th Avenue.
11:27:27 I'm a neighbor.
11:27:28 And I just want to echo their intentions in this
11:27:34 That is exactly what we want and ware very grateful to have
11:27:39 people that are hospitable, inviting, engaging their
11:27:44 neighbors actively, advocates, friends.
11:27:47 They are the kind of neighbors that we really need.
11:27:49 And ware really glad to have them here.
11:27:51 And I just want to speak in support of them developing their
11:27:55 home, to continue to be a presence in this neighborhood.
11:27:58 Thank you.
11:27:59 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
11:27:59 Anyone else?
11:28:00 >> 908 east Lake Avenue.
11:28:09 I would like to echo the same thing.
11:28:11 And beyond even this work, the social work and being a
11:28:17 teacher, it's the investment that they have made in the
11:28:20 They both work with neighborhood kids.
11:28:22 And it's been a real asset.
11:28:26 So the critique that was made -- and I understand in terms
11:28:30 of like zoning, a lot of precedence, but on a neighborhood
11:28:34 side, like I pray that it's a precedent for our community.
11:28:41 And I want to say that we support them and what it is they
11:28:46 are doing and we are just glad to have them with us.
11:28:48 >> Anyone else care to be speak?
11:28:51 Come on, TV time is waiting.
11:28:57 >> Good morning.
11:28:58 My name is Rhonda Baker.
11:29:00 I'm at 1505 east Eskimo Avenue.
11:29:04 My aunt lives at 1219 east 17th Avenue.
11:29:08 That is my family's home for 40 or more years, I have grown
11:29:12 up there, I am also family friend with the Sekajipo, my aunt
11:29:19 who lives at 1219 was not able to be here.
11:29:22 She wrote a letter in support.
11:29:23 They are truly good people.
11:29:24 They are bringing a difference to the neighborhood.
11:29:27 And I am in support of it.
11:29:29 Thank you.
11:29:30 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
11:29:30 Anyone else?
11:29:31 So this is a neighborhood.
11:29:42 (Speaking Spanish).
11:29:44 That's what I said, described the area.
11:29:46 Mr. Reddick, I have a motion to close.
11:29:48 Second by Mrs. Montelione.
11:29:49 All in favor of the motion to close?
11:29:53 >> Move to approve.
11:29:56 >> Second.
11:29:57 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Motion to approve by Mrs. Montelione --
11:30:01 excuse me, by Mrs. Capin.
11:30:04 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I know I sound just like her.
11:30:06 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'm just saying I made a mistake.
11:30:08 I'm entitled to make a mistake.
11:30:11 So this is the first mistake of 2014.
11:30:13 And I guarantee you, it won't be the last.
11:30:15 I have a motion -- I think I am back in orange grove
11:30:22 elementary school.
11:30:23 I have a motion by Mrs. Capin.
11:30:25 Second by Mrs. Montelione on a close vote with Mr. Reddick
11:30:28 to approve.
11:30:29 All in favor of the motion?
11:30:32 Motion passes unanimously.
11:30:34 Thank you very much for all of you for attending.
11:30:43 I'm sorry to take so long but I finally got to 55.
11:30:47 I was I with was 55.
11:30:50 Yes, sir?
11:30:52 >>JOHN GRANDOFF: Good morning.
11:30:55 Suite 3700 Bank of America Plaza.
11:30:58 On this item we respectfully request a continuance to a time
11:31:02 convenient to the council.
11:31:03 I can go into the reason for the continuance, if you wish.
11:31:06 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Let me ask the council, what's the --
11:31:14 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Well, let's see here, would the 23rd be
11:31:22 amenable to you, Mr. Grandoff, at 10:30?
11:31:28 January 23rd.
11:31:30 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: January 23rd?
11:31:33 Motion by Mr. Suarez.
11:31:34 I have a second to continue this 55.
11:31:39 >>MARTIN SHELBY: If you want to see if there's anybody in
11:31:43 the audience.
11:31:44 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I will.
11:31:44 I will.
11:31:45 I'm discussing this part first.
11:31:47 I think I'm going back to school.
11:31:49 I have a motion and a second.
11:31:50 Anyone in the audience that wanted to discuss a continuance?
11:31:56 I see no one.
11:31:58 Motion by Mr. Suarez, second by Mr. Reddick for the 23rd
11:32:00 at 10:30 of January the year 2014.
11:32:04 Any further discussion?
11:32:05 All in favor of the motion please indicate by saying aye.
11:32:07 Opposed nay.
11:32:09 The ayes have it unanimously.
11:32:11 We go to item number 6.
11:32:13 >> Allison Singer with the legal department.
11:32:26 As a practical matter many times when the City of Tampa is
11:32:28 called upon to provide either translation, which is the
11:32:32 written interpretation, or interpretation of the oral
11:32:35 interpretation services for folks, it happens in many ways.
11:32:39 It happens for example when a citizen calls in, and to be
11:32:43 speak with a staff member in the department and there's
11:32:45 difficulty communicating.
11:32:46 It happens sometimes in public meetings.
11:32:48 While you ask specifically about quasi-judicial proceedings,
11:32:52 the approach that the city takes to all of those is the same
11:32:55 when they have notice beforehand.
11:32:57 And what we generally do is when we are notified, which
11:33:00 often comes through the clerk's office or through a
11:33:03 department directly, then a staff member will contact human
11:33:07 resources, they will consult with the language bank which is
11:33:11 basically a list of city employees, and their capacities
11:33:14 where languages are concerned.
11:33:16 We get that information from the employees directly when
11:33:19 they are hired, and also through our know your roll survey
11:33:23 completed on an annual basis of all employees.
11:33:26 Then our HR department tries to match up and employee with
11:33:29 the necessary skills to serve as the interpreter for the
11:33:32 particular proceeding or communication that needs to take
11:33:37 In general that works very well, and we believe than is in
11:33:40 compliance with the applicable and relevant laws.
11:33:47 The challenge is where we don't have that notice, where
11:33:49 someone shows up for communication and in a us --
11:33:52 quasi-judicial proceedings, when someone comes that has some
11:33:55 trouble communicating.
11:33:56 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I had asked for this because we have had
11:34:04 several -- and Mr. Miranda can be attest because he's the
11:34:06 one that's been serving as translator -- hearings over the
11:34:10 past year where E the individual cannot speak English, or
11:34:16 the English is so limited that it's the shaking of the head
11:34:23 yes or no type of situation.
11:34:24 And notice beforehand confuses me.
11:34:28 Because if they are here before us during a hearing, they
11:34:31 have gone through a lot of meetings with staff before they
11:34:35 get here.
11:34:36 So apparently there's some miscommunication or there's a
11:34:41 direction that's not being given to staff to provide, or to
11:34:47 make sure that that provision is provided for when they get
11:34:50 to the hearing.
11:34:51 Because maybe the staff member they are meeting with speaks
11:34:53 that language.
11:34:56 And it doesn't occur to them that this might be an issue
11:34:59 when they show up for the hearing.
11:35:00 >> It's entirely possible that that is exactly what's going
11:35:03 on, because I do think in many instances we do have staff
11:35:06 who are able to communicate, and it is not a function of
11:35:12 notice being given beforehand.
11:35:13 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I understand, but maybe there's some
11:35:16 policy that needs to be put in place, or maybe some
11:35:19 additional, you know, training or orientation that needs to
11:35:23 be, or orientation and HR that needs to be added.
11:35:28 If you are dealing with someone who English is not their
11:35:31 first language, and they are in be a process that will take
11:35:35 them before -- whether it's variance review board, the ARC,
11:35:42 any process, hearing process, then you must alert the city
11:35:51 clerk, or you have to help this person beyond them sitting
11:35:57 across --
11:35:59 >> No, that makes a lot of sense actually.
11:36:01 And in fact what I was going to recommend to you from the
11:36:03 legal department today is that we work in conjunction with
11:36:05 administration to develop a policy specifically geared
11:36:08 toward making sure that we are following both the law and
11:36:11 through best practices.
11:36:14 >>LISA MONTELIONE: That's what I am trying to get at.
11:36:16 And perhaps maybe you can find out the possibility of
11:36:19 establishing a training session for those who will be
11:36:25 serving as interpreters, because it is a special skill, and
11:36:30 especially during a quasi-judicial hearing, you want to make
11:36:34 sure that that person's thoughts and desires are properly
11:36:39 >> You certainly do.
11:36:40 The way that's generally handled, and it's a good point that
11:36:43 you raise, qualifications of interpreters that have long
11:36:46 been an issue both in state courts and federal courts.
11:36:49 There are different laws that be a reply depending on the
11:36:52 type of proceedings.
11:36:54 The way that it's generally handled from a legal perspective
11:36:57 is to ensure that any interpreter is sworn, that they will
11:37:02 be translating correctly and to the best of their ability.
11:37:05 It's not -- it's not to necessarily fully resolve all the
11:37:08 issues that can occur, but that is the legal requirement
11:37:10 that addresses that.
11:37:11 And then there are specific requirements with regard to the
11:37:14 ADA, for example, there is state statute and Federal statute
11:37:17 that speak to when you are dealing with sign language, there
11:37:21 are very specific certification requirements they have to
11:37:29 We have seen that recently.
11:37:30 And this would also incorporate limited English proficiency
11:37:35 as well.
11:37:35 So my ultimate recommendation is going to be that the legal
11:37:38 department work with our administration to develop a policy
11:37:41 specific to quasi-judicial proceedings so that we know, for
11:37:45 example, the answers to those questions, what happens when
11:37:47 someone shows up, and we do not have an interpreter readily
11:37:52 available, because one of the things that we do now, for
11:37:54 example, it is not a best practice sitting on a board to
11:37:58 serve as the translator.
11:38:00 And we would like to be able to figure out how to have a
11:38:05 consistent policy that we use not just before council but in
11:38:08 all of our quasi-judicial proceedings in the city.
11:38:10 I think we are already doing it in the practical matter,
11:38:13 just improve that process.
11:38:27 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Mr. Suarez?
11:38:30 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Do you breathe?
11:38:30 >> Do I agree?
11:38:30 >> Do you breathe? You heard of a New York talker.
11:38:32 She's a midwestern talker.
11:38:33 Very quick here.
11:38:34 Here is the question that I have.
11:38:37 And this literally was a conversation I had with an attorney
11:38:41 many years ago.
11:38:42 He was representing a client who was sold an insurance
11:38:49 product that he did not understand it.
11:38:51 And the interpreter was someone who was either in the
11:38:53 household or a neighbor who did not understand the terms
11:38:56 that were being provided to them in English, to then
11:38:59 translate into Spanish.
11:39:01 Here is the problem that we have.
11:39:02 And this is across not only the city but across all kind of
11:39:09 disciplines, which is the idea.
11:39:11 And you made a comment about HR has a language bank.
11:39:14 Now, if I have an HR employee that is not trained, and some
11:39:22 of the legalese that is dealt with in quasi-judicial, okay,
11:39:26 we open ourselves up to a misinterpretation and a problem if
11:39:31 they do not understand, to explain it to them in Spanish.
11:39:35 God knows, I know that Mrs. Kert and some of the other
11:39:37 people that are before us concerning zoning issues,
11:39:40 sometimes I don't understand the English that they are
11:39:43 Let alone trying to translate that.
11:39:45 So I think that we have a real -- a much bigger issue.
11:39:49 I don't think it -- it doesn't stop here.
11:39:52 And Mrs. Montelione touched on it.
11:39:56 What's that process that we are dealing with, because knock
11:39:59 on wood, we have not been taken to task for any kind of
11:40:01 interpretive services we have been providing to people when
11:40:06 we go through these zoning hearings -- zoning process, but
11:40:11 there is that liability issue that is opened up because, you
11:40:15 know, if you have someone who is an attorney that is trained
11:40:20 but may not be as fluent in Spanish that they may think that
11:40:23 they are, and not able to explain to them in the kind of
11:40:27 legal terminology that's necessary by state law, we can
11:40:30 present a much more difficult question somewhere down the
11:40:37 So the discussion is important for that reason and that
11:40:40 reason alone of the having interpretive services here
11:40:43 necessarily, I don't think it's absolutely necessary.
11:40:45 I think that the process definitely as you mentioned has to
11:40:47 be looked at.
11:40:49 I don't know if there's any court cases in the past to which
11:40:52 someone has said, I didn't understand what they said to me.
11:40:57 And one more antidote that I present to you.
11:41:01 I had a client that has many Spanish speakers.
11:41:04 They sign off on a form saying that they have not had any
11:41:10 auto accidents, every weak, okay.
11:41:13 They interpret it as, this is how they have to receive their
11:41:19 And, you know, that's a miscommunication.
11:41:23 They don't know what they are signing most of the time
11:41:25 because they don't even red Spanish, yet alone English.
11:41:29 So part of the problem is how do you deal with a situation
11:41:31 that you want someone to assign a legal document that they
11:41:35 cannot either understand that is in writing, or a person not
11:41:42 interpreting exactly what it means.
11:41:44 So that's where I think we have a rale difficult situation.
11:41:49 I won't say a problem per se because I don't think we have
11:41:51 had any legal issues pertaining to it.
11:41:54 But it's something that we mate want to think about.
11:41:56 >> Yes, I think it's a good point, and I am not aware of
11:42:02 specific problems that we have had with this, but certainly
11:42:04 issues that all of you have raised, absolutely that get
11:42:08 raised on a regular basis where interpreters and translators
11:42:11 are concerned.
11:42:12 And there is a wealth of information.
11:42:15 And resources available to us to consult as we develop a
11:42:18 policy that can help us determine how top address these
11:42:21 >> Thank you.
11:42:22 I appreciate it.
11:42:24 Mrs. Capin?
11:42:28 >>YVONNE CAPIN: It's not only Spanish.
11:42:29 We have had other languages come before us.
11:42:31 But many Spanish speaking. Anyway, one of the things,
11:42:37 sometimes the people bring their person to interpret for
11:42:41 them, and I know that it is asked when anyone is going to
11:42:47 speak on a quasi-judicial to be sworn in.
11:42:50 But I think that when they bring someone to interpret for
11:42:54 them, specifically ask that person that they have been sworn
11:42:58 in, because they may not have -- or they may be asked at
11:43:05 that point to come up and interpret for them.
11:43:09 And we have had all contained of situations, and it's really
11:43:13 interesting, the interpretation and how people understand,
11:43:18 even in English, when someone speaks, what someone hears,
11:43:24 can be completely different.
11:43:25 So it may not be the language barrier at all.
11:43:27 It's what you bring -- what you bring to the situation.
11:43:37 But it is a very good -- I don't want to say problem, but
11:43:43 issue to bring up that we had before us, although I will say
11:43:48 our chairman has done a commendable job on interpreting.
11:43:53 Everyone stands up there and nods their head.
11:43:55 And I did speak Spanish.
11:43:58 So I do understand it.
11:44:08 And when they are nodding their head I did pretty much
11:44:13 And make sure that they understood.
11:44:19 >> When that has occurred, the issue there is certainly not
11:44:27 in this instance one of accuracy.
11:44:29 It is an issue because the interpreter becomes a witness
11:44:32 And so if ware ever to be challenged later in the future,
11:44:37 that is what we don't want, Mr. Chair or anyone else, to
11:44:41 have to become a witness.
11:44:42 >> That's really interesting.
11:44:44 Thank you.
11:44:45 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Let mow say this.
11:44:46 And I understand quasi-judicial.
11:44:48 But in the beginning, how did it get here if they didn't
11:44:52 know what they were doing?
11:44:53 And they do know what they are doing.
11:44:55 Somebody had to tell them.
11:44:56 So I think those forms that have a little checklist of who
11:45:00 okayed it, who responsible to them, just initial it.
11:45:04 I know there's a language bank.
11:45:06 Sarah Lang had that.
11:45:08 There were even city employees who spoke Russian and
11:45:11 different languages.
11:45:12 And it's not just about two languages.
11:45:13 It's about many languages.
11:45:15 And I just want the process where it's changed, where
11:45:19 everything is legally.
11:45:23 Now that, I don't.
11:45:25 So when they come here, they may not speak a language.
11:45:27 But if you put a $5 bill, 10, 50, 100, and they know the
11:45:32 difference between all of them.
11:45:33 So what I am trying to say, I don't want an actor being here
11:45:37 to just act.
11:45:38 And I'm talking about the petitioner, not the employee.
11:45:41 And I want it done right.
11:45:43 And if you have to go to court, there's nab doubt that that
11:45:47 person knew what they were doing, that there was somebody
11:45:49 there that signed off, and they interpreted for them.
11:45:52 And that's all I want.
11:45:55 Anything else?
11:45:57 Do you need any direction at all?
11:45:58 Are you going to do that?
11:46:00 >> if you could make a motion and a second in that regard it
11:46:04 would be helpful.
11:46:05 Thank you.
11:46:05 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Thank you.
11:46:08 I'll motion that the legal department work with human
11:46:10 resources to provide a staff report back to us on developing
11:46:17 a formalized procedure for the provision of interpretive
11:46:23 services for speakers, not English speakers, at
11:46:29 quasi-judicial hearings, including other boards other than
11:46:33 this council.
11:46:35 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Motion by Mrs. Montelione.
11:46:37 Second by Mrs. Capin.
11:46:39 Further discussion by council members?
11:46:41 All in favor?
11:46:42 The ayes have it unanimously.
11:46:43 Thank you very much.
11:46:48 Yes, sir.
11:46:51 I have a motion by Mr. Reddick to receive and file.
11:46:54 Second by Mrs. Montelione.
11:46:56 Discussion by council members?
11:46:57 All in favor?
11:46:59 Motion passes unanimously.
11:47:01 Information reports right to left Mr. Suarez.
11:47:03 >>MIKE SUAREZ: None today.
11:47:05 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
11:47:07 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I would like to make a motion to present
11:47:09 James Reiss with a commendation on Thursday, January
11:47:12 23rd in recognition of his ten-plus years of service as
11:47:16 a legislative aide to Tampa City Council.
11:47:17 >> I have a motion by Mrs. Capin.
11:47:21 Second by Mr. Suarez.
11:47:24 All in favor of the motion?
11:47:26 The ayes have it unanimously.
11:47:28 Anything else, Mrs. Capin?
11:47:30 Mr. Reddick?
11:47:32 >>FRANK REDDICK: I have a few things.
11:47:37 First I'm requesting commendation for the Martin Luther King
11:47:41 on January 20, 2014 in the downtown Hilton hotel.
11:47:45 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Motion by Mr. Reddick.
11:47:46 Second by Mr. Suarez.
11:47:48 Further discussion by council members?
11:47:49 All in favor?
11:47:50 The ayes have it unanimously.
11:47:52 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Secondly, I have a request and
11:47:54 commendation from Mr. Alton White for his contribution to
11:47:58 the City of Tampa to be presented January 18th, 2014.
11:48:04 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Seconded by Mrs. Montelione.
11:48:05 Further discussion by council members?
11:48:07 All in favor of the motion?
11:48:09 The ayes have it unanimously.
11:48:11 >>FRANK REDDICK: And the next is a commendation to the Phi
11:48:17 Beta Sigma Fraternity celebrating 100 years of services, to
11:48:23 be presented at the meeting on January 23rd, 2014.
11:48:26 >> Seconded by Mrs. Capin.
11:48:30 Further discussion?
11:48:34 Motion carried.
11:48:35 >>FRANK REDDICK: At the staff report on January 23rd I
11:48:38 noticed that the legal department will be discussing civil
11:48:40 citation, and I am going to request that as part of that
11:48:44 report they give us an update on compliances in the civil
11:48:50 citation court, what the compliance of cases that have been
11:48:56 revolved and what percentage has not been resolved under
11:48:59 staff report on the 23rd.
11:49:01 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Motion by Mr. Reddick, second by Mr.
11:49:04 Further discussion by council members?
11:49:05 All in favor?
11:49:07 The ayes have it unanimously.
11:49:09 Thank you very much.
11:49:10 Mrs. Montelione?
11:49:11 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Thank you.
11:49:14 And the panicky struck earlier was because the clerk
11:49:17 reminded me for the last motion on the interpretive services
11:49:20 we did not provide a date.
11:49:22 I am just lost without Mr. Cohen.
11:49:26 So I would be propose since we have already gone, I would
11:49:32 propose for them to come back at 9:00 a.m. under staff
11:49:36 reports, February 6th.
11:49:38 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion by Mrs. Montelione for
11:49:40 February 6th on that motion made earlier regarding the
11:49:43 legal department interpretive service, seconded by Mr.
11:49:47 Further discussion by council members?
11:49:48 All in favor of the motion?
11:49:50 The ayes have it unanimously.
11:49:51 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I was also asked to make a motion to
11:49:55 clarify the workshop for February 27th relating to the
11:50:02 discussion of regulations for bed and breakfast
11:50:05 establishments and other code changes relating for our
11:50:07 inclusion in the January 2013 code cycle.
11:50:10 I was asked to make a separate motion for the request that
11:50:16 legal made today regarding the code enforce.
11:50:19 , the rental inspections, the items 1 through 3 that was on
11:50:25 today's agenda as well as the ones that I referred to that
11:50:28 carried over from I think November's agenda.
11:50:33 It was part 1 through 9, or those relevant.
11:50:36 So I make that as a separate item.
11:50:40 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Okay.
11:50:40 I have a motion by Mrs. Montelione.
11:50:42 Seconded by Mr. Suarez.
11:50:44 Further discussion by council members?
11:50:46 All in favor of the motion?
11:50:49 The ayes have it unanimously.
11:50:50 Anything else?
11:50:51 >>LISA MONTELIONE: That was it, sir.
11:50:54 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Was that for a specific time?
11:51:01 >>LISA MONTELIONE: That's the workshop.
11:51:04 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: 10:30 as I recall.
11:51:06 >> For January 27th at 9 a.m.
11:51:10 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Did you want this to follow that?
11:51:12 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: That's how it's usually done.
11:51:15 >>MARTIN SHELBY: 10:00 or 9:30?
11:51:19 >> 9:30.
11:51:21 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: February.
11:51:22 This year.
11:51:24 >>LISA MONTELIONE: February 27, 9:30 a.m.
11:51:29 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Anyone else in the audience care to be
11:51:31 speak, all 500 of you?
11:51:34 Media have anything to say?
11:51:36 I guess we'll read it tomorrow morning.
11:51:38 Anything else before we adjourn?
11:51:42 We stand adjourned.
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