Tampa City Council
Thursday, June 26, 2014
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09:08:09 [Sounding gavel]
09:09:36 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: City Council is called to order. The
09:09:38 chair yields to Councilman Harry Cohen.
09:09:40 >>HARRY COHEN: Thank you very much, Mr. Chair.
09:09:42 Good morning.
09:09:43 It's my great pleasure this morning to introduce my good
09:09:46 friend Rabbi Richard Birnholz of congregation Schaarai
09:10:04 Please stand for the invocation followed by the pledge of
09:10:08 >>> Let us pray.
09:10:10 Our God, creator of the universe, we thank you for this
09:10:15 bright, beautiful day and this opportunity to come together
09:10:17 to do your will.
09:10:19 You have exalted us to struggle against evil, to strive for
09:10:23 holiness, and plant seeds for love in all your habitation.
09:10:30 Sharing in your creative work, our lives acquire an eternal
09:10:35 quality that Nobles our stay on earth.
09:10:37 We therefore thank you for the what you grant us and for the
09:10:43 vision of the better world you instill in us.
09:10:46 We especially ask that you bestow your blessings upon this
09:10:50 assembly, our council.
09:10:53 If that the men and women here carry through with their
09:10:58 appointed tasks for the city.
09:11:00 We pray for your continued guidance, although realize that
09:11:03 the ultimate effects of the actions they take cannot be
09:11:07 known to them when they begin them.
09:11:08 They trust that by making their laws their guide they can
09:11:13 rest assured in the knowledge that they have tried to do
09:11:16 your will.
09:11:17 Give them insight to understand truth beyond their own bias,
09:11:22 and the courage to stand forcefully for their convictions.
09:11:27 Above all, we ask that you endow our City Council members
09:11:30 and all in our city with the qualities of fairness and
09:11:34 compassion and the determination to root out prejudice and
09:11:39 injustice wherever they find it.
09:11:42 Praise be to you O God.
09:11:48 [ Pledge of Allegiance ]
09:12:09 >>HARRY COHEN: Thank you very much, Mr. Chair.
09:12:11 It is also my sad duty this morning to express condolences
09:12:15 from the Tampa City Council to Shirley Foxx-Knowles, our
09:12:19 city clerk, and her family on the passing of her brother
09:12:22 We know that Paul was a remarkable man and will be dearly
09:12:27 missed, and we extend our sympathies to Shirley's entire
09:12:39 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Signing the letter that Mr. Cohen has, I
09:12:42 need a motion to that effect.
09:12:43 Motion by Mr. Reddick, second by Mr. Cohen.
09:12:46 The ayes have it unanimously.
09:12:47 Thank you very much.
09:12:47 Okay, roll call.
09:12:52 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Here.
09:12:55 >>FRANK REDDICK: Here.
09:12:57 >>HARRY COHEN: Here.
09:12:58 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Here.
09:13:01 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Here.
09:13:01 I need a motion for adoption of the minutes of May 8th,
09:13:04 beginning, May 15th, and regular meeting June 5th.
09:13:08 I have a motion by Mrs. Montelione.
09:13:10 Seconded by Mr. Cohen.
09:13:11 All in favor of the motion please indicate by saying aye.
09:13:13 Opposed nay.
09:13:14 The ayes have it unanimously.
09:13:16 Thank you very much.
09:13:16 Item number 1.
09:13:17 Mrs. Montelione will do the honors in making this
09:13:27 Transportation, engineering division for the work of the
09:13:32 walk/bike plans 1, 2 and 3.
09:13:37 >>LISA MONTELIONE: To have a microphone up here, I was
09:13:47 looking for it.
09:13:48 Thank you for celebrating the achievements of the
09:13:50 transportation engineering division, pedestrian and bicycle
09:13:52 safety has been our number one priority here at City
09:13:55 Council, and it is with pleasure that today we can announce
09:13:58 that message has been heard.
09:14:06 We are missing a few, but there are more staff members
09:14:09 working hard in their offices today.
09:14:13 I can say that they have been working hard to protect the
09:14:15 citizens of this city.
09:14:16 In 2011, there were the 12 pedestrian deaths on our
09:14:21 In 2013, there were five.
09:14:25 As of May of 2014, there have been two.
09:14:29 So you see the numbers are getting better.
09:14:31 Even one, losing one member of our community is too many,
09:14:36 and hopefully in 2015 we will see that number to zero.
09:14:44 I'm hoping that the good work of the fine individuals in the
09:14:47 transportation engineering division we will be reporting
09:14:49 that at this time in 2015.
09:14:51 So we recognize his work, MAVI, and Calvin Thornton.
09:15:08 The livable roadways committee, she is the vice chair of
09:15:14 that committee, and Jean Duncan is not here this morning
09:15:16 either, but without her dedication and awesome engineering
09:15:21 abilities, I have heard that others are waiting for her to
09:15:26 decide to leave the city, but I will not permit that if it's
09:15:30 in my power.
09:15:32 We will be seeing more results with the rest of our
09:15:34 walk/bike program as it's implemented, and on today's agenda
09:15:38 we have two items on today's agenda that continue moving
09:15:42 that program forward with the Busch Boulevard project that
09:15:45 is on our calendar today.
09:15:47 So with that I would like to present this to you, and this
09:15:56 commendation, the Tampa City Council is proud to recognize
09:15:59 the transportation evening nearing division for their work
09:16:01 on walk/bike lanes 1, 2 and 3, and implementing the bike
09:16:07 pedestrian facilities in order to make Tampa a bicycle
09:16:11 friendly community.
09:16:12 The Tampa City Council continues their efforts to lay in
09:16:14 place the framework which prepares the City of Tampa for a
09:16:17 future fully connected multimodal transportation system.
09:16:21 Thank you very much for your work.
09:16:23 And thank you very much for your work.
09:16:24 Oh, and here comes Ms. Duncan now.
09:16:29 You have always been recognized and thanked, and I have
09:16:32 already announced that we will never let you leave the city.
09:16:41 Thank you very much for the work that you do.
09:16:44 Everybody back to work.
09:16:47 [ Applause ]
09:16:55 Absolutely, you may.
09:16:55 >>JEAN DUNCAN: I appreciate council taking one moment to
09:17:01 put the leadership in place that's allowed us to have the
09:17:04 city's first-ever walk/bike plan in the history of our city,
09:17:08 and leadership of this council, the ordinance you passed,
09:17:13 your leadership on the MPO, the finance decisions, the
09:17:18 livable roadways.
09:17:23 But if we didn't have your leadership, our mayor and
09:17:27 administration telling us we need safer streets, we need to
09:17:30 have a multimodal system out there, we need complete
09:17:33 streets, get it done, we don't sleep.
09:17:39 [ Laughter ]
09:17:40 Then we couldn't do the work we really enjoy doing for our
09:17:43 So thank you very much.
09:17:44 We really appreciate this.
09:17:46 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
09:17:47 Appreciate it.
09:17:48 [ Applause ]
09:17:49 All right, Mr. Reddick will do item number 2.
09:17:55 >>FRANK REDDICK: Thank you and good morning, council.
09:18:25 Today we are honored to have a special guest with us, that's
09:18:31 doing great things in the community, and we want to
09:18:33 recognize him for what you are doing in the community, but
09:18:37 also for what you are about to do, a and this is bring the
09:18:42 international to this city, and we should be proud of having
09:18:51 someone so special to be coming to our community next month.
09:18:54 And we are just proud to have this opportunity to recognize
09:18:59 what they do in the community, and what is taking place, and
09:19:04 is doing it in the inner city of the City of Tampa, and a
09:19:16 major accomplishment for him to be doing this.
09:19:23 And it's in my district so I'm honored for that.
09:19:27 We just want to say, on behalf of Tampa City Council, that
09:19:30 we want to present this commendation in honor of the
09:19:33 recognition to the community and all the services to make us
09:19:39 proud in the City of Tampa.
09:19:41 And we thank you and congratulations.
09:19:43 [ Applause ]
09:19:57 >> In the name of the almighty.
09:20:12 Councilman Reddick, distinguished members of the City
09:20:14 Council, thank you for this honor today.
09:20:25 In the City of Tampa, this great honor that you have
09:20:39 bestowed upon us, and the leadership, in the community known
09:20:50 for its peacefulness and moderation, patriotism and
09:21:06 Doing business all over the world.
09:21:32 We hope this next coming August, on this historic visit, we
09:21:36 hope that we can count on your enthusiasm, support,
09:21:43 Thank you so much once again for this honor, and thank you,
09:21:48 Councilman Reddick, for being such a friend to us.
09:21:52 We would just like to say that coming to the city, it is our
09:22:01 greatest honor, and we are very happy that you are helping
09:22:06 us out in this manner, and being part of our joy.
09:22:11 Thank you once again.
09:22:12 Thank you very much.
09:22:13 [ Applause ]
09:22:21 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you very much for being here and for
09:22:23 the work that you are doing, and building within our city.
09:22:27 We see a lot of things all over the world in terms of how
09:22:30 people are fighting each other because of religious
09:22:34 And to see this morning when we have a rabbi give our
09:22:41 convocation and you are here to be part of our community,
09:22:43 also, it shows what the United States really means, that in
09:22:49 the way we do government, but we all respect everyone's
09:22:52 religion and everyone's way of life, as long as it doesn't,
09:22:55 you know, cause problems with someone else's way of life.
09:23:00 And we appreciate what you are doing for our community and
09:23:02 thank you for being here.
09:23:03 >> Thank you very much.
09:23:10 [ Applause ]
09:23:12 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Item number 3, the presentation for the
09:23:18 commendation for firefighter Tanja Vidovic presented by Mrs.
09:23:26 I hope I'm pronouncing that name correct.
09:23:28 I was talking about Mrs. Montelione.
09:23:31 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I didn't even hear what you said.
09:23:34 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Neither did I.
09:23:35 >>LISA MONTELIONE: We have with us this morning Tanja
09:23:48 Vidovic, as you can see, is a firefighter paramedic with the
09:23:51 City of Tampa.
09:23:53 But her dedication to our city goes way beyond just her
09:23:56 duties for the citizens of the firefighter/paramedic.
09:24:04 She has the persistence to take our parks and turn some of
09:24:10 them into a community orchard, and she's been a tremendous
09:24:17 advocate, encouraging people to eat food that they grow
09:24:31 Jared is an awesome hockey player, almost got kicked off the
09:24:35 team for being too good.
09:24:37 But it's amazing.
09:24:40 Her yard is on the Hillsborough River right across from the
09:24:44 dam, and the vegetables that grow even spontaneously, the
09:24:51 tomatoes growing right there along the banks of the river,
09:24:54 are just -- there are so many, she invites people to come
09:24:58 and take them.
09:24:59 I have got way too many.
09:25:00 So that's a little bit about her background.
09:25:05 And I want you as City Council helping me to make this
09:25:11 presentation to her, her commendation.
09:25:13 The City Council hereby recognizes Tanya Vidovic for
09:25:18 establishing community orchards throughout the City of
09:25:21 We thank her for being the driving force of the community
09:25:24 orchards movement in Tampa for being committed to the belief
09:25:27 that planting fruit trees in our city parks provides a
09:25:31 unique elementary to our park and for reminding us that the
09:25:34 trees educate children on how food is grown and for her
09:25:38 desire to engage the City of Tampa to help struggling
09:25:41 individuals and their family supplement their access to
09:25:44 healthy snack foods.
09:25:46 The City of Tampa also recognizes Tanja's perseverance.
09:25:52 She established to design a collaborative effort for the
09:25:55 City of Tampa Parks and Recreation Department, and many
09:25:59 business owners and volunteers from inside and outside city
09:26:03 The City Council thanks Ms. Vidovic for the orchards in
09:26:09 Alamo and Gadsen city park.
09:26:14 This initiative promotes public fruits and public health and
09:26:18 will continue with the addition of other parks within the
09:26:20 City of Tampa.
09:26:21 And I just want to read through some of the lists of
09:26:24 individuals and businesses that contributed, because without
09:26:27 their help, this would never have come to life.
09:26:31 It's fully supported and funded and realized by local
09:26:34 resident volunteers and businesses which included the
09:26:37 University of Florida, Florida native nursery, keep it green
09:26:43 nursery, rare fruit council international, Whitwam organics,
09:26:52 mothers organics hum us farm, worm's way, Neem tree farms,
09:26:58 Dunkin' Donuts, Tampa Bay organics, and keep Tampa Bay
09:27:08 beautiful, and the downtown Tampa partnership.
09:27:14 And without his help, his cooperation, this would not have
09:27:22 So thank you very much, Tanja, for everything you do, saving
09:27:27 lives, and keeping them healthy.
09:27:31 [ Applause ]
09:27:40 >> Thank you to City Council, because you guys were the ones
09:27:44 who helped me, all the businesses.
09:27:51 Like Mrs. Montelione said, this has been supported and
09:27:56 donated from the local businesses.
09:27:58 So without their local support, it wouldn't have happened.
09:28:04 And it is amazing.
09:28:06 And thank Mayor Bob Buckhorn for approving it and continuing
09:28:16 to grow.
09:28:16 >>LISA MONTELIONE: So many people turn to her for advice.
09:28:25 She's got a blog, a Facebook page, well-known throughout the
09:28:28 community for her seed exchanges, and really opens up her
09:28:31 house and her garden to everybody who wants to learn about
09:28:34 how to grow a sustainable -- and easy.
09:28:39 These are not things you have to replant.
09:28:42 They are perennials, right?
09:28:44 They just keep growing.
09:28:50 Thank you very much, council.
09:28:52 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you all very much.
09:29:02 All right.
09:29:04 That's item 1, 2, 3.
09:29:07 And item 4 is the discussion on the budget.
09:29:09 So what we are going to do is take item 4 and then we are
09:29:12 going to stop and let the public speak on any item 1, 2, 3,
09:29:16 4, and then go to the approval of the addendum and the
09:29:21 agenda, and then we'll go to public comments on any items on
09:29:23 the agenda will go that way.
09:29:26 Yes, ma'am.
09:29:26 >>SONYA LITTLE: Good morning, chairman, council members.
09:29:33 Thank you once again for allowing me the opportunity to come
09:29:36 before you with our second budget workshop.
09:29:38 The first one being held at one of our council meetings last
09:29:41 month where we provided to you a forecast for how we believe
09:29:48 we are going to end fiscal year '14.
09:29:51 So we have enough actual revenues where we can project out
09:29:59 how we are going to end fiscal year '14.
09:30:02 Today, I would like to focus on our projection for '15 and
09:30:06 walk you through some of that highlight with the
09:30:09 understanding that we will continue to have a one-on-one
09:30:14 meeting between now and the mayor's presentation, hopefully
09:30:17 the end of July.
09:30:18 We will ask for your approval to actually set a date.
09:30:22 But if I can have the presentation come up on the screen,
09:30:25 then we can get started.
09:30:27 Our economic forecast, again, this is some of the economic
09:30:34 data that we shared with you on the first and second
09:30:37 We have added some information as it relates to fiscal year
09:30:41 2015 as it relates to population housing start and job
09:30:47 The source of this economic data is the university of
09:30:50 central Florida, the institute for economic competitiveness,
09:30:54 a very reliable source as it relates to economic data, and
09:30:57 based on this data, you can see the state and Tampa area,
09:31:07 slow to moderate growth in our economy, and just last week,
09:31:13 the federal reserve committee, market committee, had a
09:31:18 meeting and they announced that the economy as we have all
09:31:21 witnessed is slowly improving, and that they had no concerns
09:31:26 related to inflation, but they also announced that they
09:31:30 intend on tapering off the stimulus program, and they are
09:31:33 going to do that by dialing back monthly purchases by about
09:31:39 $10 million starting in July.
09:31:44 What does that many for us?
09:31:46 We have been talking for quite some time now about the
09:31:49 legacy of the recession.
09:31:52 We had, because of the recession, had to defer a number of
09:31:55 very, very important things in the city for a number of
09:32:00 Facilities, maintenance, we all know it.
09:32:04 We have great need for roof repairs, elevators, HVAC
09:32:10 equipment repair, old City Hall.
09:32:13 Obviously, we have had discussions throughout the last
09:32:16 couple of years about facility, lighting issues and so
09:32:23 These are all things we have to address in the upcoming
09:32:26 budget discussion.
09:32:29 We also have had discussions about our deferred
09:32:32 transportation maintenance, stormwater system maintenance,
09:32:35 and also vehicle replacement.
09:32:43 As we move into more discussions about where we believe we
09:32:47 are going to be for the upcoming budget discussions for
09:32:50 fiscal year 2015, one of the highlights, one of the major
09:32:54 categories that contributes to the shortfall, obviously we
09:32:59 have had increased personnel and operating costs.
09:33:02 We talk about the municipal elections.
09:33:05 We continue to make subsidy to the parking system although
09:33:10 much, much lower than it has been for what will be required
09:33:16 in fiscal year 2015.
09:33:18 We have in our current year's budget, 2015, we already
09:33:23 programmed an additional $8 million roughly for increased
09:33:27 capital contributions.
09:33:29 And as we go through the process, we will be coming back to
09:33:32 you to provide you with detailed information on what the
09:33:35 proposed CIP plan is for the next five-year program.
09:33:43 In summary, since we had our early discussions, we talked
09:33:48 about a budget shortfall in the neighborhood of 10 to $15
09:33:52 And we have landed on 13.7 -- 14.7 million.
09:33:59 On the prior slide as far as the increased expenditures, our
09:34:03 increased revenues, which we all know that we have an
09:34:11 increase in property tax revenues.
09:34:13 Bottom line is we started out with departmental reductions,
09:34:18 or how we could Chip away at that budget shortfall.
09:34:22 We ended up at 14.7 million.
09:34:26 Since that time, we have found, based on independent reports
09:34:30 provided by each of our pension funds, the act actuarial
09:34:35 accountant, that we will have savings in the neighborhood of
09:34:38 $4.3 million, that the city will be required to deposit.
09:34:44 4.3 million less than the prior year as it relates to our
09:34:49 contribution, because of the great performance in those
09:34:54 Additionally, the downtown CRA is scheduled to make a
09:34:59 payment to the general fund.
09:35:02 Its repayment of a loan that was several years ago and now
09:35:09 that the revenues, the debt service is outstanding.
09:35:15 The downtown CRA is resuming its payment back to the general
09:35:19 fund, so we will receive an additional $1 million for that.
09:35:23 We are still going through the process as it relates to the
09:35:26 departmental reductions, the process where we go back and
09:35:32 forth and having discussions and prioritizing what's been
09:35:35 presented by the department.
09:35:39 So far, we have identified at least $1 million in
09:35:43 departmental operations that we believe will not impair
09:35:49 quality of service, nor will it require any layoff of skill
09:35:56 So originally anticipated 14.7 to date, we are in the
09:36:02 neighborhood of the lowest budget shortfall of $8.4 million,
09:36:07 and you are aware the process is continuing, so we are
09:36:09 chipping away at that $8.4 million daily.
09:36:13 So when we come back to you with our one on one briefings as
09:36:16 well as the workshops, and certainly the mayor's
09:36:18 presentation, that's coming up, we will provide you with the
09:36:22 details as far as the solution for having a balanced budget.
09:36:31 Slide number 6 gives you what we presented last time, for
09:36:37 '14 projections and then the 8.4 million. All we've done on
09:36:43 this slide is basically sum up the revenues and expenditures
09:36:43 by combining the general fund as well as the utilities
09:36:47 services tax fund.
09:36:56 This is a summary of all of the details that backs up how we
09:36:57 are where we are. And we identified some of the major
09:37:01 revenues both in the general fund and in the utilities tax
09:37:06 Property tax obviously.
09:37:07 We have already talked about an increase of $8 .1 million
09:37:11 over last year, which is the 6.5% increase in the
09:37:21 preliminary numbers.
09:37:22 On July 1st.
09:37:23 So next week, we will actually have the final evaluation
09:37:26 from the property appraiser's office so we can start that
09:37:30 number up as early as next week.
09:37:34 Moving along, highlighting sales tax, we are anticipating
09:37:37 over fiscal year $14 an increase of a million dollars.
09:37:46 Occupational license tax is somewhat flat in that we are
09:37:50 anticipating an increase of just over $300,000.
09:37:54 The bottom line -- and it will fly back into the prior
09:37:58 slides that we have seen -- is that we are anticipating
09:38:01 general fund utility services tax, revenues, for fiscal year
09:38:06 2015 of $383,593,000. Million.
09:38:14 Let me get that out.
09:38:15 383 million, 593,000.
09:38:21 The same information for those funds but on the expenditure
09:38:24 side, broken out for you, under the general funds salary,
09:38:30 benefit, operational expenses and capital equipment, and the
09:38:34 same type of information for the utility services tax, and
09:38:39 we get to $392 million netted against the revenues that we
09:38:43 showed on the prior slide to give us the shortfall of $8.4
09:38:51 What does that mean to us as it relates to our fund balance?
09:38:55 We are working very hard and diligently to make it -- last
09:38:59 year is the last year that we have to tax our fund balance,
09:39:03 so we are coming up with solutions in order to have
09:39:06 structural balance for 2015, but the red line going through
09:39:15 the middle of the graph is our 20% policy.
09:39:18 So we wanted to demonstrate that in each of the prior fiscal
09:39:22 years all the way back to 2007, we have exceeded our 20%
09:39:35 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Mr. Suarez?
09:39:39 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you, Mrs. Little.
09:39:41 What's that total number for the forecasted amount for the
09:39:45 fund balance, approximately?
09:39:47 I'm not going to hold you to it.
09:39:48 >>SONYA LITTLE: We are projecting at the 25% level, we are
09:39:53 projecting just over $94 million.
09:39:57 >>MIKE SUAREZ: 94 million.
09:39:59 And then the 15 projection?
09:40:02 >>SONYA LITTLE: Roughly 86.
09:40:05 >> And 86 million will still be above the 20%?
09:40:09 >>SONYA LITTLE: It will be at 22%.
09:40:11 We would Luke to get to our policy.
09:40:15 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Are if we drop to 20% the response from the
09:40:19 bond markets is --
09:40:22 >>SONYA LITTLE: They start watching us with a jaundice eye,
09:40:25 especially if we don't have a plan, a real solid plan to
09:40:28 start repaying ourselves back.
09:40:29 That's something that we need to really, really focus on and
09:40:34 >>MIKE SUAREZ: So regardless of how we are going to find
09:40:36 out how we fill the hole, in this shortfall, we have to be
09:40:42 very careful in terms of whether or not we tap into the fund
09:40:45 balance, correct?
09:40:46 >>SONYA LITTLE: Yes, sir.
09:40:47 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I just wanted -- wanted to know what those
09:40:50 real numbers were.
09:40:51 Thank you very much.
09:40:52 Appreciate it.
09:40:52 >>HARRY COHEN: So to follow Mr. Suarez's line of
09:40:56 questioning, this is an assumption that we are going to fill
09:41:02 the $8.4 million gap with money from the fund balance.
09:41:06 If we didn't do that, this 22% number would remain at 25%?
09:41:13 >>SONYA LITTLE: Yes, sir.
09:41:14 In the neighborhood of 25.
09:41:15 >>HARRY COHEN: Because the closeness of the red line to the
09:41:22 top of the blue column is significant.
09:41:31 And my understanding of the 20% threshold is that that is
09:41:34 the point of being looked at to be downgraded.
09:41:38 So, you know, I think that skating close to that line has
09:41:43 the potential of actually making the city's financial
09:41:50 position worse in the way of higher interest rates and
09:41:55 higher borrowing costs that could be imposed on us as we
09:42:00 fall below the 20%.
09:42:02 And we are also going in the opposite direction, I think, of
09:42:05 where we want to go, which is back up to a point where we
09:42:09 could increase to AAA bond rating and get even more
09:42:12 favorable terms on the money that we borrow.
09:42:14 Thank you.
09:42:16 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Let me say one thing.
09:42:17 And I agree with both of my colleagues.
09:42:20 But we have to remember that for two prior years, the mayor,
09:42:25 who is the wisdom of making a better livable city and
09:42:30 yourselves and this body to some extent, because we approve
09:42:34 the budget, changed the amounts that we put into
09:42:38 neighborhood enhancements, if I recall.
09:42:41 And I think that was something about $7.5 million, and then
09:42:46 we changed it to 15 million.
09:42:47 So in essence, stow oh it's coming down, but we gave it out
09:42:52 to the neighborhood.
09:42:53 So if that would draw back that bottom line would never
09:42:58 I'm not saying that's the right thing to do because we have
09:43:01 to have a livable city to make it better for everyone not
09:43:04 only living here but those who want to move in. I want to
09:43:07 remind us that that's why we have that type of spread,
09:43:10 because we put in double the amount to the neighborhood, not
09:43:13 I, the mayor, did and this council approved it.
09:43:16 So if my mind serves me correctly.
09:43:20 >>SONYA LITTLE: You are exactly right.
09:43:22 For that very reason.
09:43:24 And just so council is comfortable with the analysis and the
09:43:28 process that we are going through, is that each of you
09:43:33 mentioned, that's exactly the approach that we are taking
09:43:35 with the analysis and the evaluation, prioritizing based on
09:43:39 public safety, infrastructure needs, and improving quality
09:43:44 of life for our neighborhood as we go through the process of
09:43:48 prioritizing and find that what is find that level with
09:43:53 which we are able to maintain or obtain structural balance.
09:44:03 This is just a recap.
09:44:08 I like pictures because it helps me.
09:44:13 So I thought this would be helpful just to be able to
09:44:17 provide this for just for your information as far as our
09:44:21 trend as it relates to actual property evaluations and
09:44:24 revenues that we collected historically.
09:44:28 Property tax revenues.
09:44:32 We are moving somewhat into the capital side.
09:44:38 So I wanted to provide a slide on our intersection safety
09:44:42 program, because several months ago we made a commitment
09:44:47 that at least 25% of the net revenues being collected from
09:44:52 this program would be directed specifically to the
09:44:57 transportation capital program for intersection safety.
09:45:01 So as we go through the process, we will lay out all the
09:45:05 projects and the source of funding so that you can see
09:45:09 exactly how those are being budgeted for fiscal year 2015.
09:45:15 If you will recall, we actually budgeted and appropriated
09:45:21 several months ago a portion in 2014.
09:45:25 So we will continue the trend so that you can clearly see
09:45:28 the projects that these fund will be going to.
09:45:35 What we have here as it relates to the capital improvement
09:45:37 program is five-year capital improvement program for fiscal
09:45:42 years 2014 through 2018.
09:45:46 It's what's currently in the 15 budget book for the five
09:45:52 year program.
09:45:53 Part of the process and what we are evaluating now is to
09:45:56 determine if over time our prioritization that we have
09:46:00 determined for last year but still holds true, there will be
09:46:04 some changes, and possibly this is the program five year
09:46:10 plan, by category.
09:46:11 It gives you the total amount where in total the sum of the
09:46:16 five year plan that we anticipate spending, and $435 million
09:46:22 for general fund and enterprise fund projects.
09:46:27 What we will do with the mayor's presentation and public
09:46:33 hearings is provide you with greater detail as far as the
09:46:38 goal for the CIP program.
09:46:44 I won't spend a whole lot of time on the enterprise fund.
09:46:51 We talked about it last time.
09:46:52 But I did want to provide you with a forecast for 15.
09:46:57 For 14, we believe that our general fund contribution is
09:47:00 going to be half a million dollars.
09:47:02 We are budgeting -- we plan on budgeting for 15, a general
09:47:08 contribution for operating a $400,000 in the top portion of
09:47:12 this table, and then in the bottom half of the table, you
09:47:16 will see that we intend on budgeting for our general revenue
09:47:21 contribution for capital projects such as elevators and
09:47:24 other repairs to the parking system aspect of approximately
09:47:30 So in '15 paid 1.3 million general fund contribution for the
09:47:38 And if you notice, on the operating side for budgeting
09:47:41 purposes, we had this discussion before when we first
09:47:45 budgeted on the personnel, and if you look budget to budget,
09:47:54 it will be closer to the $400,000, that we are performing
09:47:59 better in our projections, so that's why you see it there.
09:48:05 >>HARRY COHEN: So just in a nutshell, what do you
09:48:08 anticipate the general fund contribution to our parking
09:48:10 enterprise fund to be next year?
09:48:15 >>SONYA LITTLE: Next year roughly 1.3 million.
09:48:19 >>HARRY COHEN: And the reason I asked you this question,
09:48:21 not to digress from this, in the discussions I have been
09:48:24 having with the neighborhoods surrounding Hyde Park, one of
09:48:27 these questions that gets asked of me all the time is why
09:48:30 does the city not build a parking garage in that community?
09:48:34 And my answer is that our enterprise fund right now that
09:48:38 controls all of the city parking garages, and from which the
09:48:41 money would have to come to finance this type of a venture,
09:48:45 is already being subsidized by over a million dollars of
09:48:48 general fund money every year.
09:48:50 It's not like we are making a profit and can reinvest that
09:48:53 profit into additional garages.
09:48:55 >>SONYA LITTLE: Yes, sir.
09:48:58 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Mrs. Montelione?
09:49:00 >>LISA MONTELIONE: And as Ms. Little knows, for several
09:49:06 years now I have been advocating for us to raise the rates
09:49:09 in our parking garages, for a couple of reasons.
09:49:12 One is because we are having not just this year as Mr. Cohen
09:49:16 pointed out, but every year that we have been sitting here,
09:49:19 we have been supplementing the parking revenue from general
09:49:25 So, you know, when you go to our parking garages, the rates
09:49:28 are really quite reasonable.
09:49:30 And I think maybe too reasonable.
09:49:34 A couple of things.
09:49:35 One is to bring our rates up to the standard of what the
09:49:39 private companies charge in their lots, and, two, you know,
09:49:47 to stop the continual bleeding and drain on our general
09:49:51 And, three, to promote people to carpool or use public
09:49:56 transit, because they don't want to pay the fee in the
09:49:58 parking garage.
09:49:59 And so it may end up having a negative effect on the
09:50:04 But, you know, I'm still advocating for those rates to go
09:50:08 And we have an agenda item -- I can't speak this morning --
09:50:15 we have an agenda item on our calendar today that I talked
09:50:19 to Mrs. Little about because I didn't see an increase.
09:50:23 When I saw that agenda item I was all excited because I
09:50:26 thought it was going to be an increase and it is not.
09:50:30 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
09:50:33 I walked to work today, from the parking lot to here.
09:50:39 [ Laughter ]
09:50:43 >>SONYA LITTLE: Our solid waste system again has come a
09:50:45 long way, where we presented a $4.8 million increase to the
09:50:49 fund balance.
09:50:52 For 14 we are forecasting a $10.4 million increase to the
09:50:56 fund balance.
09:50:59 In 15, the program in which the solid waste department as
09:51:04 far as purchasing after new GPS system, it has fleet
09:51:10 replacement program which also includes CNG, and also
09:51:14 starting a reserve to take care of our maintenance
09:51:18 requirements for MacKay Bay.
09:51:20 All of that will be programmed out for several years as it
09:51:24 relates to the forecast for the solid waste.
09:51:34 Our wastewater system, again, healthy fund balance, and net
09:51:42 revenues from the operations of the system.
09:51:45 Several projects programs which we'll talk about later today
09:51:51 on one of our agenda items.
09:51:53 But capital included there, which revenue itself are
09:51:58 sufficient to cover all of the wastewater, and the water
09:52:01 needs for their five-year program that will fine tune and
09:52:06 bring back to you at a later date.
09:52:13 Our budget calendar.
09:52:16 We would like to request, respectfully request, that you
09:52:21 consider placing on your calendar the mayor's budget
09:52:25 presentation, as well as the two public hearings.
09:52:30 You are aware that we have to wait until both the school
09:52:35 district and the county have their public hearings.
09:52:38 They have done so.
09:52:39 So we have provided you with some proposed dates for the
09:52:45 public hearing.
09:52:49 And with that I would be happy to answer any questions.
09:52:51 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Any questions by council members?
09:52:53 Thank you so much.
09:52:54 I just want to offer you a word of advice.
09:52:57 I saw the coach from the United States soccer team made a
09:53:01 statement today about everybody staying, going home, going
09:53:04 to work and all that kind of good stuff.
09:53:06 So the only thing I am going to recommend you, for your
09:53:10 staffers and good people here that work to the bones for
09:53:15 you, so maybe you ought to take them to lunch, make sure
09:53:18 they come back.
09:53:21 [ Laughter ]
09:53:21 I offer you that.
09:53:22 And as long as you got your own credit card, we are all
09:53:25 >>SONYA LITTLE: Okay, thank you, sir.
09:53:28 >>LISA MONTELIONE: That's the second time you told her
09:53:33 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Okay, I am going to do this.
09:53:34 We have a full agenda.
09:53:35 And --
09:53:38 >>HARRY COHEN: If you don't mind while they are here I
09:53:40 would like to make a motion that we set the mayor's budget
09:53:43 presentation for July 24th at 9:00 a.m. immediately
09:53:47 preceding that day's CRA meeting.
09:53:49 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion by Mr. Cohen, second by
09:53:51 Mrs. Montelione.
09:53:53 Further discussion by council members?
09:53:54 All in favor?
09:53:55 The ayes have it unanimously.
09:53:57 Thank you very much.
09:53:58 We do have a full calendar Dar.
09:54:01 And we do have a long agenda with an addendum and new
09:54:04 business, and staff reports, and items going.
09:54:07 And in order to put this agenda, or this addendum on this
09:54:12 agenda, I am going to ask the council to -- we are going to
09:54:15 go to the public comments in one second -- approval of the
09:54:18 agenda and the addendum so we can move that addendum to
09:54:21 parts of that to this agenda so that we can listen to the
09:54:24 items that are there, new business, items 1 and B, items A
09:54:29 and B will be the tasers and then come after the discussion
09:54:32 we just had, and new business item 77 and 78, we are going
09:54:39 to put those on staff reports, will be heard momentarily.
09:54:42 So we need those items to be moved from this a ten deny dumb
09:54:46 to this agenda.
09:54:46 I have a motion made by Mrs. Montelione on a close vote with
09:54:50 Mr. Cohen.
09:54:51 He second that motion.
09:54:52 All in favor of that motion?
09:54:54 The ayes have it unanimously.
09:54:56 We are going to go to the tasers and then go to items 1, 2,
09:55:01 3, 4 and then the tasers and then open it to the public.
09:55:08 >>KIRBY RAINSBERGER: With the legal department to answer any
09:55:10 questions you may have.
09:55:14 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: For the public, it's on the addendum
09:55:16 items new business 3 and 4.
09:55:19 Yes, ma'am.
09:55:19 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I just want to say, I did speak with the
09:55:23 chief of staff Dennis Rogero and with Chief Castor last
09:55:27 So I did get answers to the questions I had.
09:55:29 But just for the general public, if you would please explain
09:55:33 why 8 is a walk-on item and why we are entering into this
09:55:38 contract seemingly so quickly.
09:55:39 >> We protracted a lengthy negotiation, manufacturers, who
09:55:49 reached an agreement that covers a five-year period during
09:55:53 which we will receive the latest taser technology, for a
09:56:01 variety of reasons.
09:56:09 I and they are allowing us to essentially trade in our old
09:56:14 He they also arranged to buy down the financing.
09:56:16 And this was explained to us as a very short-term window of
09:56:21 And so it took us awhile to negotiate the details of that
09:56:26 Having done so, the savings to the city over that period of
09:56:29 time is rather substantial and justifies a walk-on aspect of
09:56:35 And we appreciate your consideration.
09:56:39 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Anyone else?
09:56:40 Mr. Cohen?
09:56:41 >>HARRY COHEN: I just want to say that having attended the
09:56:44 citizens police academy, I know that Councilman Suarez is
09:56:47 going to appreciate your having the latest taser technology,
09:56:52 since I sat in the chair and watched while he got tasered.
09:56:56 >>MIKE SUAREZ: And I want to make sure everyone knows, Mr.
09:57:00 Cohen is not the one that tased me.
09:57:02 [ Laughter ]
09:57:03 Part of the training for police officers is everyone gets
09:57:06 They call taking it the ride.
09:57:08 I took the ride only for a few second.
09:57:10 Unlike the police officers.
09:57:12 Believe me, none out there, you do not want to get tased
09:57:15 either with the old technology or the new technology.
09:57:19 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Mr. Suarez, I hate to tell you, we have
09:57:21 the picture before and after.
09:57:23 You had dark hair before.
09:57:24 You have white hair after.
09:57:26 I can see that it works.
09:57:27 Thank you very much.
09:57:27 I need a motion to pass the motion made to pass the
09:57:32 resolution on the taser.
09:57:35 Before I take the vote, I want to go to the public first.
09:57:38 Thank you very much.
09:57:39 I have got a new procedure.
09:57:44 We are going to stop here for a moment.
09:57:46 And items 1, 2, 3, 4 and the tasers.
09:57:49 Anyone that wishes to speak on that in this morning's
09:57:52 session, please come to the microphone.
09:57:53 1, 2, 3, 4 and tasers only.
09:57:56 >> Pete Johnson, 510 Harrison street.
09:58:01 Yes, of course I am going to talk on number 4, the budget.
09:58:05 I sent you all a little information from the Hillsborough
09:58:07 County tax office.
09:58:10 They no longer require by state statute to post
09:58:18 We post code enforcement notifications for four weeks, every
09:58:24 single day, in the penny saver, for no reason.
09:58:29 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: All right, excuse me.
09:58:30 Stop the clock.
09:58:31 Talk to me about the budget, not about code enforcement.
09:58:33 >> That is about a budget cost that is not required.
09:58:37 That's all.
09:58:39 Thank you.
09:58:40 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Okay.
09:58:40 Thank you.
09:58:41 Next, anyone else.
09:58:42 Care to speak on any item 1, 2, 3, 4, or the tasers that we
09:58:47 are going to take a vote on here?
09:59:07 Items 1, 2, 3, 4 and tossers.
09:59:10 And then we are going to go to the general public.
09:59:11 >> Okay, I'm ed, Ed Tillou, Sulphur Springs.
09:59:32 Should say pointer at large.
09:59:35 Something related to item 1, transportation.
09:59:42 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Excuse me.
09:59:43 Tell me what item, 1, 2, 3, 4 or tasers only.
09:59:46 >> Item 1 is transportation.
09:59:50 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'm talking to you, sir.
09:59:51 I want items 1, 2, 3, 4 or tasers only.
09:59:54 We are going to go to the general public in a second.
09:59:58 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: It's on transportation.
09:59:58 Very important.
09:59:59 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'm not talking about transportation,
10:00:01 >> Well, you said transportation, engineering.
10:00:04 And this is --
10:00:06 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Okay, you are talking about the
10:00:07 engineering commendation that was given to transportation.
10:00:10 Talk about the commendation that was given to --
10:00:13 >> Well, I'll talk about the public works.
10:00:20 But one of the main problems of public works right now --
10:00:25 see, this was the third item down, this disoriented me and
10:00:31 the clock keeps going.
10:00:38 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: If you wait two minutes I am going to
10:00:39 give you that opportunity to come back and discuss anything
10:00:41 you want.
10:00:41 >> Here it is.
10:00:43 This is about transportation.
10:00:49 And this is one of the biggest -- Marion street busway is
10:00:56 very good in, very good condition.
10:00:58 The only problem is every light turns red, in front of the
10:01:01 And this is part of a pattern of public works traffic
10:01:06 department which is tangential to the transportation
10:01:11 I have no complaints really about the transportation
10:01:13 division, but the traffic division is screwing up Hart big
10:01:18 The drivers complain about it.
10:01:20 Every light takes ten minutes for the buses to get down.
10:01:24 And one of the things that this article brought out is that
10:01:27 people can walk along the busway faster than the buses go.
10:01:32 Now I keep hearing lip service here of transportation,
10:01:36 transportation, public transportation, but when it comes
10:01:37 down to something to be done about it, in other words, come
10:01:40 down on the traffic department, have them in here and have
10:01:46 them explain why all of the lights are set against Hart.
10:01:49 Around this city.
10:01:51 And they hold up each bus route about five to ten minutes,
10:01:55 people miss their connections, and it's a big reason that
10:01:58 people aren't using public transportation.
10:02:01 In other words, it originates from the public works
10:02:03 department, and maybe not the transportation division but
10:02:07 the traffic division.
10:02:08 Something has got to be done about that, because I meant to
10:02:15 speak at that at the last six or eight meetings.
10:02:18 And I didn't be digress because you held me to
10:02:21 (Bell sounds)
10:02:28 So the ability, that takes away from the livability.
10:02:33 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much, sir.
10:02:33 Now, all that said and done, I am going to give the public
10:02:36 the right to come up and speak about anything they like.
10:02:39 That's what I was trying to point out, trying to get.
10:02:42 Yes, sir.
10:02:42 >> Council, chairman, I would like to take this opportunity
10:02:48 to introduce the new legal interns to the City Council, to
10:02:52 take a few minutes.
10:02:53 Please come up.
10:02:55 Our legal interns are part of our ongoing program, that
10:03:03 historically we have had a relationship with Stetson in the
10:03:06 last few years.
10:03:07 We have got a lot of work on our internship programs,
10:03:11 especially the summer internships to other universities.
10:03:18 Comes from several different universities throughout the
10:03:20 country and would like them to come up and introduce
10:03:23 >> Good morning, council.
10:03:26 My name is Christopher Jones.
10:03:28 I am going to be a third year student at Florida State law
10:03:31 next year.
10:03:32 This summer I'm working with contracts in the city, and
10:03:40 trained between especially small businesses in the Tampa Bay
10:03:44 community, and with the burgeoning markets of Latin America.
10:03:48 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
10:03:49 Next, please.
10:03:49 >> Good morning, council.
10:03:55 My name is Rita Cook.
10:03:56 And I go to school and I'm a second-year student, and this
10:04:05 summer, I am looking to get experience in the public sector.
10:04:09 I think the City of Tampa certainly can see that.
10:04:14 And I'm excited to learn from everybody.
10:04:16 Thank you.
10:04:17 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you.
10:04:18 >> Good morning.
10:04:21 My name is Sobino.
10:04:26 I have general interest in municipal and local government
10:04:30 work, expressed my interest.
10:04:33 Very excited to be here, primarily focusing on environmental
10:04:40 Thanks for the opportunity of allowing us to come in.
10:04:45 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
10:04:46 >> Good morning.
10:04:47 My name is Scott Hagan.
10:04:52 My background is in urban planning.
10:04:55 Hoping to be a land use attorney eventually.
10:05:00 Got to work in the planning department with Catherine Coyle.
10:05:03 It's been a learning experience so far.
10:05:05 And I'm happy to be here this morning.
10:05:08 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you.
10:05:08 Any other interns?
10:05:11 Thank you.
10:05:12 All right.
10:05:12 Going back to the public.
10:05:14 Yes, sir.
10:05:14 >> My name is Joe Johnson.
10:05:20 I'm a member of Pastors on Patrol.
10:05:29 and the Hillsborough organizational process.
10:05:35 Thank you for this opportunity.
10:05:36 Last year, Tampa took a step in the right direction by
10:05:39 passing the history screening practice ordinance.
10:05:43 This ordinance removed the question that asked about history
10:05:47 from job application total City of Tampa.
10:05:51 This City Council showed great leadership by passing that
10:05:54 ordinance, that even then, who knew that the work was not
10:05:59 Today, we are here to talk about amending the criminal
10:06:02 history practices ordinance that was passed last year.
10:06:07 So also talked to businesses that contract with the city.
10:06:12 They would not be required to hire anyone.
10:06:15 They would only be required to give all applicants a fair
10:06:17 chance of being hired.
10:06:20 We believe that this amendment will give many more people in
10:06:25 our community a fair chance.
10:06:29 Today you will likely hear arguments about the city attorney
10:06:32 about be the legal feasibility of enacting this ordinance,
10:06:35 raising the concern begun the city if such an amendment were
10:06:40 to be passed, but in the 30 years since cities and states
10:06:43 have started passing such legislation, not a single city
10:06:47 anywhere has ever been sued.
10:06:52 The risk is very, very small.
10:06:56 Indeed, since we were here last year, even more cities,
10:06:59 counties and states have passed variations of this
10:07:02 ordinance, the question about job applications.
10:07:12 Today there are 60 suffice and 12 states that passed similar
10:07:18 These include such large commercial areas as New York City,
10:07:21 Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, and Boston.
10:07:25 They all still have businesses trying to get government
10:07:31 There simply is no evidence at all that this will negatively
10:07:36 impact economic development to our city.
10:07:40 And what about the risk of people be returning from prison
10:07:47 to Hillsborough County with no prospects of jobs because of
10:07:51 the application?
10:07:52 What about the risk of recidivism?
10:07:54 What about the risk of doing nothing for the families in the
10:07:58 community of Tampa?
10:07:59 Therefore, my beloved council members, we, as responsible
10:08:02 taxpayers, would never put the city or the City Council at
10:08:08 Due to our extensive research on this issue, and we know
10:08:11 that this is a win-win proposal for our community.
10:08:15 Therefore, we urge you to join many other cities, city
10:08:20 official as cross the nation, who are voting to give a fair
10:08:23 chance for employment to many.
10:08:31 (Bell sounds).
10:08:32 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you, sir.
10:08:33 Next, please.
10:08:34 >> Good morning.
10:08:36 My name is Judy Green and I serve on the board of the
10:08:40 Hillsborough Organization for Equality.
10:08:44 The United States has the highest documented incarcerated in
10:08:51 the world.
10:08:53 Today, Tampa has a chance to change that.
10:08:59 By supporting the fair chance hiring, it gives them a chance
10:09:04 to change their mind, gives them a chance to find a job,
10:09:08 apply for a job.
10:09:10 It's important to me, it's important to the congregation I
10:09:14 represent, the Unitarian universe with church of Tampa and
10:09:18 it's the right thing to do.
10:09:20 Thank you so much for your time.
10:09:23 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Appreciate it.
10:09:24 Thank you.
10:09:24 Next, please.
10:09:25 >> Tom Atchison, pastor, New Life Church, and new beginnings
10:09:30 of Tampa.
10:09:32 Eight years ago, in New Beginnings took a big risk.
10:09:40 Went out looking for a job, and he was fortunate.
10:09:42 He got a job at an electrical place, came back, and needed
10:09:47 $100 worth of tools.
10:09:49 We took another big risk.
10:09:51 We went to Home Depot and bought him the tools.
10:09:53 It could have ended up at the pawn shop, all kind of things
10:09:57 could have happened.
10:09:58 He ended up working that job, and now eight years later he's
10:10:03 the vice-president of an electrical company here in Tampa.
10:10:07 That's the kind of risk that has to be taken.
10:10:10 I believe everyone on this council, if it wasn't for risk
10:10:14 taking, you wouldn't have the jobs you have.
10:10:16 The City of Tampa wouldn't be as great as it is if we didn't
10:10:19 take some reasonable risks.
10:10:21 So the argument that there is risk by passing this
10:10:28 ordinance, but I think the risk is acceptable, the risk is
10:10:33 worth the payback that can happen, when people that have
10:10:38 messed up in the past want a second chance, at level to
10:10:43 level the field where they can have a chance to claim their
10:10:48 case and be represented.
10:10:50 So, please, do pass this ordinance.
10:10:53 Yes, it will have risks.
10:10:54 We passed other things before that had risk.
10:10:56 But the paybacks are great.
10:10:58 Thank you.
10:10:59 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
10:10:59 Next, please.
10:11:00 >> I'm Timothy J. Kemp, pastor of Baptist church.
10:11:08 I'm speaking on the ordinance of expanding to the private
10:11:14 I got a call a few days ago from Joanne drew asking me could
10:11:17 I come.
10:11:21 Joe Johnson, co-president, who I highly respect and admire,
10:11:33 for a person that has a criminal record, it's even harder
10:11:37 for them to get employment.
10:11:41 No one is actually looking for a handout.
10:11:43 They are just looking for a hand up.
10:11:45 And if you give the person the opportunity to prove the
10:11:47 their worthiness of being a valuable citizen, I believe that
10:11:51 they would prove that they will be part of the solution and
10:11:54 not part of the problem.
10:11:56 Thank you.
10:11:58 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
10:11:59 Next, please.
10:12:00 >> My name is Bill Tone, a member of the board of Hope, and
10:12:07 speaking to item number 10.
10:12:11 Mr. Chairman, council members, it's good to see you again.
10:12:19 When examining the potential risk of amending the ordinance,
10:12:22 looking at cities that have passed the priority legislation.
10:12:27 Since the mid 1980s there have been no reported cases of
10:12:30 litigation against any municipality or state, because they
10:12:33 have ordinances that remove the box from job applications.
10:12:39 They report that there is no negative pushback from their
10:12:43 vendors, and competition for the contracts has not
10:12:52 Tampa will not be supporting a measure that will reduce
10:12:57 recidivism and the high rate of crime.
10:13:00 Tampa will be ignoring a social and psychological impact of
10:13:04 unemployment among the ex offenders and their families in
10:13:08 the communities.
10:13:09 Tampa will be encouraging the status quo of the poverty
10:13:13 blight in our community.
10:13:15 Amending the criminal history's screening practice of this
10:13:18 ordinance does not mandate a company to hire qualified ex
10:13:26 offenders. It merely gives them a fair chance at getting an
10:13:30 You must understand than amending the ordinance is not about
10:13:33 local hiring, it offers no geographic restrictions of who to
10:13:38 It places zero restrictions on which vendors can compete for
10:13:41 the contract.
10:13:43 Amending the ordinance does not set any quota a company must
10:13:48 It is all about promoting fairness in hiring practices and
10:13:53 removing barriers to employment.
10:13:57 As a businessman who has worked with municipalities,
10:14:00 including Tampa, for the last 45 years, I have reviewed,
10:14:05 completed and signed hundreds of public bids like the
10:14:11 300-plus-page document I have in my hand.
10:14:17 This package has sections lifting all the compliance
10:14:22 requirements for equal business opportunity ordinances,
10:14:25 small local business employment, enterprises, good faith
10:14:29 effort compliance, diversity management, and the bid that
10:14:36 the bidder must follow, the bidder acknowledges compliance
10:14:40 with these requirements and with the federal and state
10:14:45 Adding one more paragraph to support Tampa city after you
10:14:51 pass this ordinance presents no obstacles to the bidders,
10:14:55 and a bid document will add no additional burden to contract
10:14:58 administration's hands, staff, and obviously will not
10:15:01 require additional staff.
10:15:07 There is no cost in amending this ordinance.
10:15:08 Thank you.
10:15:09 (Bell sounds).
10:15:10 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
10:15:11 Next, please.
10:15:11 >> I'm Rev. Jackson, the pastor of first united church in
10:15:17 Tampa and the co-president of Hope.
10:15:20 Today you heard several voices from Hope speaking on behalf
10:15:24 of the amendment of the criminal history screening practices
10:15:28 Last year, we brought to you a real problem in our
10:15:31 community, thousands return to our city every year from
10:15:36 persons in jail and are unable to get jobs.
10:15:39 Many of them never get a fair chance at turning their lives
10:15:42 around, because they have to check that box the very first
10:15:47 page of job applications, and they are legally disqualified
10:15:51 from consideration.
10:15:52 Now we are here once again because we would be all agree
10:15:55 that many more job opportunities will be available for these
10:15:59 returning citizens if this amendment is passed.
10:16:02 It would only relate to those businesses that give city
10:16:06 contracts, but would not require them to hire those, only
10:16:12 that they give them a fair chance to be considered for a
10:16:15 We have shown you that there is not a single piece of
10:16:18 evidence that proves that this would be bad for the City of
10:16:21 Tampa, its citizens or its businesses.
10:16:24 In 30 years there has not been a single suit against the
10:16:28 cities and counties.
10:16:29 Now 60 cities in 12 states that have passed such
10:16:33 There is no evidence at all that this deters from doing
10:16:40 business in New York, Philadelphia and Boston.
10:16:42 There is no evidence that businesses have refused to move to
10:16:44 a city or county because of such legislation.
10:16:49 That's why there may be a tiny risk of making this
10:16:54 There are very real risks to our citizens, their families
10:16:56 and our community not to do so.
10:16:59 And we have shown you that there are really no valid legal
10:17:02 business or economic development reasons not to amend this
10:17:08 They are, however, moral and ethical reasons to do so.
10:17:11 Each of you, I would guess, decided to run for political
10:17:15 office in order to help people and to make this city a
10:17:18 better place to live.
10:17:19 Giving those who have criminal records a fair chance to get
10:17:22 a job will not only positively touch the lives of thousands
10:17:26 of Tampa citizens, but it will transform the lives.
10:17:31 It will allow children to see parents going off to work in
10:17:34 the morning.
10:17:35 It will allow men and women to regain their dignity and
10:17:39 self-respect of earning salaries to help support their
10:17:44 It will enable Tampa to join the growing number of
10:17:46 progressive cities that are able to move beyond the fear and
10:17:50 the myth and to take a positive step to reintegrate citizens
10:17:55 into society.
10:17:57 Hope is a faith based community organization, and it's
10:17:59 people of faith, we believe in second chances.
10:18:02 Our nation is built upon the principle of giving a fair
10:18:07 chance to all its citizens.
10:18:09 Today we urge you to give thousands of Tampa citizens a fair
10:18:12 chance at a job by a amending this ordinance.
10:18:16 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
10:18:17 Next, please.
10:18:17 >> Pete Johnson, 510 east Harrison street.
10:18:25 I want to explain something about a code case yesterday.
10:18:31 The case was complied out, but it was also admitted that it
10:18:37 didn't follow the instructions and was not in compliance.
10:18:42 That the administration complied it out anyway.
10:18:45 For whatever reason, that fine, but I think the
10:18:49 administration should at least be qualified to answer why
10:18:53 they did it.
10:18:55 Another case was closed out, a drug dealer that I have been
10:18:59 after everyone for years.
10:19:03 Even the formal decision is not upheld.
10:19:07 But I can't get an answer why.
10:19:10 Why are we doing this?
10:19:13 But what's interesting about code was it was brought up,
10:19:16 yes, the administration can choose whatever state statute
10:19:21 they want to enforce or comply with, and they can choose
10:19:26 whatever ordinance they want to comply with.
10:19:32 Or enforce.
10:19:33 There is no rules or regulations saying they have to.
10:19:36 And that really, really upsets me, because that is
10:19:41 Payoffs, and it's just not right.
10:19:46 But an explanation, when they do not follow the rules and
10:19:49 regulations of the city, should be required by this City
10:19:56 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Let me just say two words, corruption and
10:19:59 Do you have any evidence of that at all, sir?
10:20:01 >> No, unfortunately I don't.
10:20:05 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Next, please.
10:20:05 >> Good morning, council.
10:20:11 My name is Andre Hill speaking to item 16.
10:20:20 Helping West Tampa and the West Tampa corridor between
10:20:23 Columbus drive and Kennedy and Armenia as a high real
10:20:28 estate, high income or high level real estate program.
10:20:34 The indications and quotations from the "Tampa Bay Times"
10:20:38 indicated that the mayor was going to recoup the exorbitant
10:20:47 investment for land and for the removal, and over the
10:20:50 long-term that you can recoup that investment through
10:20:54 selling that property to real estate developments which
10:20:58 means those units would have to be sold between 150 and
10:21:06 200,000 minimum right there in affordable income sector.
10:21:10 We want the mayor to understand than our neighborhood, we
10:21:14 want to develop it, we want you to encourage the mayor,
10:21:22 Councilman Reddick, or the CRA, and let us develop an
10:21:27 economic plan for our people, our children.
10:21:34 Typically, I am of the age now where we have great
10:21:39 So we are rallying the Blake and Middleton corridors, all of
10:21:44 those to go out for -- children, and their grandchildren and
10:21:50 great grandchildren, to be invested in this program.
10:21:53 So I strongly encourage them.
10:21:54 Also, we need to consider that that property has been
10:22:00 storing heavy equipment for close to 20 years so there is a
10:22:03 very good possibility that it's a brownfield issue.
10:22:08 And if the mayor tries to buy all of this property with all
10:22:12 of those exorbitant costs and discover it's going to have an
10:22:16 EPA problem, the city is going to lose a lot of money.
10:22:20 So we have our plan that we can develop on that property
10:22:25 that will cut the Hillsborough County school transportation
10:22:31 fuel costs two-thirds, and employ a lot of those kids to get
10:22:37 them vested in not only Tampa, but the American dream, the
10:22:43 United States of America.
10:22:44 I have 50 years of experience and it's very difficult for me
10:22:47 to maintain a business.
10:22:48 These young kids that I saw yesterday finding that I was
10:22:53 powerless to help.
10:22:55 We can develop it.
10:22:56 Councilman Reddick has a plan.
10:22:58 Please encourage the mayor to work with them before we start
10:23:02 developing these issues.
10:23:03 Thank you very much.
10:23:04 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
10:23:04 Appreciate it.
10:23:05 Anyone else care to speak to any item on the agenda?
10:23:07 Please come forward.
10:23:22 One more time.
10:23:23 Anyone else care to speak to any item on the agenda, please
10:23:26 come forward.
10:23:27 I see no one else.
10:23:29 I guess.
10:23:34 Those are the new lawyers to be.
10:23:37 Any requests for anyone in the audience on any council
10:23:40 reconsideration of any items that this body passed in the
10:23:42 last regular meeting?
10:23:45 I see no one.
10:23:47 We go to staff reports, and including on the staff reports,
10:23:51 we are going to incorporate items 77 and 78.
10:23:54 We go to item number 5.
10:24:32 >>THOM SNELLING: Planning and development director.
10:24:38 Here to report.
10:24:39 Item number 5 is the report --
10:24:49 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'm sorry.
10:24:50 Go on.
10:24:51 Item number 5.
10:24:52 Staff reports.
10:24:57 >>THOM SNELLING: It's the biennial homeless report.
10:24:59 Before I get started, I would like to thank you for asking
10:25:02 for that clarification of Mr. Johnson.
10:25:05 I appreciate that for city staff.
10:25:09 This is the homeless report.
10:25:14 Happening in the last six months.
10:25:16 As you know, I continue to be the representative on the
10:25:18 Tampa Hillsborough homeless initiative for the mayor.
10:25:23 We'll touch a little on the community strategic plan that is
10:25:26 still currently being drafted and going forward, and also
10:25:30 the HUD 25 cities initiative that recently took place with
10:25:33 the workshop that we had.
10:25:35 Some exciting things happening there.
10:25:37 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Excuse me one second.
10:25:38 I am going to tell you all that I voted on the taser.
10:25:41 I am going to tell you that at least -- who made the motion
10:25:45 for the taser?
10:25:46 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Mold the vote till after public comment.
10:25:57 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I apologize.
10:25:58 The motion was made by Mr. Cohen, seconded by Mrs.
10:26:02 Is that correct?
10:26:04 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I think that's correct.
10:26:10 >>HARRY COHEN: I seconded it.
10:26:13 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I am going to review the tapes when it's
10:26:16 over but I know it was Mr. Cohen and Mrs. Montelione.
10:26:18 In fact they both made the motion simultaneously and I gave
10:26:22 it to Mrs. Montelione and the second by Mr. Cohen.
10:26:24 >>LISA MONTELIONE: That's correct.
10:26:25 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Just a remainder, it's parts 1 and part 2.
10:26:30 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I move both.
10:26:34 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Part 1 and part 2.
10:26:35 The other was for 75,000.
10:26:39 You think you don't have to have a memory to sit here, you
10:26:42 are wrong.
10:26:43 All in favor of the motion?
10:26:45 The ayes have it unanimously.
10:26:46 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Thank you, sir.
10:26:48 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Continue.
10:26:48 I'm sorry.
10:26:50 >>THOM SNELLING: Okay that concludes my report.
10:26:52 [ Laughter ]
10:26:53 >> Motion passed unanimously with Capin and Mulhern absent
10:27:02 at vote.
10:27:05 >>THOM SNELLING: The 25 cities workshop took place a couple
10:27:08 weeks back.
10:27:09 You participated very vigorously in that.
10:27:12 And then also checked about the homelessness initiative.
10:27:22 Since the CEO is retiring.
10:27:28 Not good.
10:27:29 Another person is coming in.
10:27:30 And they are going through that transition period.
10:27:32 That's just an FYI.
10:27:34 The strategic plan that the homelessness initiative is
10:27:38 working on has established goals and actions.
10:27:41 And they worked it into various subpopulations, first the
10:27:45 chronic homelessness, veteran homelessness, and then the
10:27:48 other major goal is to provide out of homelessness for
10:27:58 individuals, and hone in on the homelessness and that
10:28:03 provides a very vigorous and aggressive approach to trying
10:28:06 to address the chronic homelessness for veterans as well as
10:28:10 other homelessness as well.
10:28:15 The strategic priorities for the community plan, or the
10:28:19 community action plan, it's not rocket science.
10:28:24 It's not overly sexy but it really cuts to the meat and
10:28:27 bones of what you have if you are going to address this.
10:28:30 You have to expand the housing options, truly engage the
10:28:33 community, in its implementation.
10:28:35 And we are beginning to really see that both in Tampa
10:28:39 Hillsborough homeless initiative, Hillsborough County, City
10:28:41 of Tampa, and all of our not for profits that are out
10:28:45 working together, pushing and pulling in the same direction
10:28:47 at this point.
10:28:50 It's going to focus on improving the system in performance
10:28:54 as well as expanding an effort to expand the actual
10:28:57 continuum of care to the size that is actually needed.
10:29:02 The plan is not quite done yet.
10:29:04 And hopefully the next time I report back I will have a plan
10:29:07 to present you that the homeless initiative has crafted.
10:29:13 And quickly talked about the 25 cities initiatives.
10:29:17 That was a HUD supported initiative.
10:29:22 When they came down, we provided a workshop.
10:29:24 It Watts a two-day workshop, with members from homelessness
10:29:28 initiative, Hillsborough County, all of the not for profits
10:29:31 that are working in that Tampa Police Department,
10:29:33 Hillsborough County Sheriff's Department, corrections,
10:29:36 anybody that will look at for providing any type of service
10:29:42 for homelessness or trying to improve the homelessness were
10:29:48 included in that workshop, two days, participating in both
10:29:51 of those full days and they gave a briefing and the options
10:29:56 of what took place.
10:29:58 What came from that, the key elements, the key deliverable
10:30:02 outcomes, so to speak, were, you know, to establish a
10:30:07 coordinated intake assessment.
10:30:09 Why that is important is once you know where everybody is
10:30:13 being analyzed and reviewing what types of needs the
10:30:17 individuals have, it becomes more efficient to reach out to
10:30:21 the specific types of agencies and resources that are needed
10:30:25 to supply that individual with resolving for their
10:30:31 particular homeless issue.
10:30:33 The outreach at this point has been to increase in those
10:30:36 areas so there is more opportunity for them.
10:30:39 The case conferencing is an important part as well, making
10:30:42 sure that somebody understands exactly all the p moving
10:30:46 parts that someone experiences when they go through
10:30:48 homelessness to make sure each of those parts are addressed.
10:30:51 The other thing is, again, this goes back to having
10:30:55 everybody moving in the same direction.
10:30:57 And here you see the Veterans Administration, HUD, and the
10:31:05 council on homelessness, but you can add Hillsborough County
10:31:08 to that --
10:31:12 And add the sheriff's office as well.
10:31:14 The first effort that I have been around, not that I am a
10:31:17 homeless expert, but it certainly is the first time I have
10:31:20 seen so many agencies moving in this same direction.
10:31:24 What came from that, they wanted 100 days, to break this
10:31:38 into chunks of improvement and understand and have metrics
10:31:42 to measure where you come from.
10:31:44 So they identified the plan taking place within the first
10:31:48 100 days.
10:31:49 And in that, the goal is in various resources, I touched on,
10:31:54 is to provide 300 assessments of homeless individuals to see
10:31:57 exactly what their needs are, and that goes back to the
10:32:00 coordinating intake analysis
10:32:03 The second goal is to have of those 300, take 200 of those
10:32:08 persons be document ready, which basically means having your
10:32:11 I.D. card or Florida driver's license or bit certificate if
10:32:14 you are from Ohio, comes down here, all of those pieces of
10:32:18 paper, all of those pieces of identification, become very
10:32:20 important as you try to find a place to live, tray to find a
10:32:23 job, try to get whatever benefits are available to you.
10:32:26 So having those people's document ready,.
10:32:31 And the third goal of those 300 and 200, having 100 of those
10:32:36 actually housed and having a permanent solution, with the
10:32:39 appropriate case management and the proverbial wrap around
10:32:46 And then the fourth is prepare for new projects and more
10:32:51 services and establish the second 100 day plan.
10:32:54 This isn't something that's just stopping after 1100 days.
10:32:58 HUD will return in 100 days.
10:32:59 They will come back within 100 days, look at our metrics,
10:33:02 see how we did, do a quick evaluation.
10:33:05 It's a very old-fashioned planning -- plan, implement, plan
10:33:10 That's how they are approaching this.
10:33:12 Again, this isn't rocket science, it's old-fashioned HUD
10:33:15 work that has had great success in many areas and we believe
10:33:19 will have success here as well.
10:33:21 So in 100 days I will be back, revamp it and hopefully come
10:33:24 up with a set of than new or some goals.
10:33:29 Some of the resources that they are trying to establish, you
10:33:32 can read them there, emergency care centers, rapid rehousing
10:33:36 opportunity, using the emergency solutions grant, the
10:33:40 continuum money, housing vouchers.
10:33:43 Those are coming from Tampa Housing Authority.
10:33:45 They provide five per month moving forward.
10:33:49 There's no end in sight on that so that's a big deal
10:33:53 And then looking to develop 75 apartments, addressing where
10:34:01 there is emotionally or be mentally challenged individuals
10:34:04 who have other kind of substance abuse problems, and
10:34:07 sometimes those will be most difficult population to assist.
10:34:10 So having those coming will be a very big deal.
10:34:16 Then ultimately we will get increased support services for
10:34:20 veterans families.
10:34:24 I have all these little acronyms.
10:34:25 The only thing that made me craze he at the homelessness of
10:34:29 the 25 cities is they spoke in code and I had a hard time
10:34:32 understanding, so I said we have to print all these acronyms
10:34:35 out so you can see what they stand for.
10:34:37 The Veterans Affairs support services is to increase those
10:34:41 allocations as well.
10:34:43 So it's not just about providing the technical assistance to
10:34:46 25 cities, it's aggressively and actively going after
10:34:50 additional dollar resources as well, and wherever those
10:34:54 resources may be found.
10:34:57 One of the things I do want to talk about -- and this is
10:35:00 actually kind of a big deal for us --
10:35:03 There's two things here for individuals, what the city has
10:35:10 been doing through the community and housing development
10:35:13 We are getting ready to embark on a tenant based rental
10:35:18 assistance program, and then some of the current funding
10:35:20 going forward.
10:35:22 The tenant based rental program also known as TBRA, it's a
10:35:27 voucher program.
10:35:30 You provide a voucher for a period of up to 18 months to two
10:35:35 It's how long it could be.
10:35:36 And with that voucher, you have to pay rent, on the types of
10:35:41 utilities, et cetera, the room portion of the room and board
10:35:45 concept, that vouchers can be used for that.
10:35:49 It's very important because that provides a permanent place
10:35:52 to live.
10:35:53 And I talked before about the coordinated intake and
10:35:57 analysis, and when that happens what comes out the other
10:36:01 end, someone says, okay, I have the wraparound services.
10:36:04 They need mental health care.
10:36:07 I can go to veterans.
10:36:08 I can go somewhere to get that.
10:36:09 They need to get their documents and all of the other ID
10:36:13 taken care of and I can go to someone to take care of that.
10:36:18 At the other end they need someplace to stay and that's why
10:36:21 where the voucher will stay.
10:36:23 Now they have a place to live.
10:36:25 18 months to two years which price provides them the
10:36:27 opportunity to get settled in and to move out of that.
10:36:30 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Mr. Snelling, I'm sorry to interrupt.
10:36:35 Is this something from the City of Tampa, from your
10:36:38 department, or from our budget, separate from what the
10:36:42 Housing Authority does?
10:36:44 >>THOM SNELLING: Yes.
10:36:44 And it's actually very exciting.
10:36:57 We provide a definition of homelessness, someone on the
10:37:00 street or in the shelter.
10:37:03 Verification is very important.
10:37:04 That is verified by emergency shelter case management or
10:37:07 some other approved homeless program.
10:37:11 And here is the part you kind of touched on, council, we
10:37:17 have never done direct services before this.
10:37:22 I have been very fortunate to hire the two ladies sitting
10:37:25 behind me from St. Petersburg.
10:37:27 They are absolutely rock stars when it comes to these types
10:37:30 of programs.
10:37:31 They understand them.
10:37:32 They live them.
10:37:33 It's more of a calling for them than it is a job.
10:37:37 I hope I'm embarrassing them because I intend to.
10:37:40 [ Laughter ]
10:37:41 >> You're doing a good job.
10:37:43 [ Laughter ]
10:37:44 >>THOM SNELLING: Before we had the skill set in house, we
10:37:46 had never tried something like this.
10:37:48 But I have a lot of confidence in them and their ability.
10:37:51 I think it will be very successful.
10:37:53 >> Can you embarrass them later tonight when they come back
10:37:57 and make a presentation?
10:37:58 Okay, we'll do that again.
10:38:00 [ Laughter ]
10:38:01 >>THOM SNELLING: Okay.
10:38:03 So we are going to administer.
10:38:11 So some of the other homelessness benefits.
10:38:13 I talked about the funding sources.
10:38:15 From the CBDG dollars for public facilities which is
10:38:19 basically housing, whether it's new housing, or income, or
10:38:24 owner occupied repair, extending 23,000 on.
10:38:30 That the projects that are going to not for profit whose
10:38:33 went to apply for those awards, we have set aside that
10:38:38 amount of money for that.
10:38:39 Then the ESG is down by about 50,000 bucks.
10:38:47 More than that actually.
10:38:48 But that's the rapid rehousing.
10:38:50 And now the home TBRA, that's $500 that you put in toward
10:38:55 that program for the direct services which we administrator
10:38:59 by the staff that I have here today with me.
10:39:01 That is a significant amount because that's $500,000, work
10:39:05 that we did not use last year, provided as direct services,
10:39:09 and that will translate depending on the amount of rent and
10:39:11 some other types of things, you know, between 25 and 30
10:39:15 individuals will come off the street.
10:39:17 That is a very big deal to administer.
10:39:21 >>LISA MONTELIONE: That's all grant funding the 500,000?
10:39:25 >>THOM SNELLING: Set aside for money for last year for the
10:39:27 home program.
10:39:28 Initially we were going to put out an RFP to run that.
10:39:31 We thought second about that.
10:39:33 We decided to do it in house.
10:39:35 We rolled it into this year's money with 500 you.
10:39:39 And hopefully the program will be successful.
10:39:41 >>LISA MONTELIONE: What is the source of the grant?
10:39:47 >>THOM SNELLING: Hope.
10:39:49 And then the Homeless Coalition.
10:39:57 Happening in the overall community, some of you may have
10:39:59 attended a meeting a couple days back where county
10:40:02 administrator Mr. Mike Marrow talked about the orient road
10:40:07 Just touching on that, it's 175 beds but they can go up to
10:40:13 between 175 and 185.
10:40:15 That provides the transitional and emergency shelter-type
10:40:18 housing and homeless with the supportive service and the
10:40:22 cause management where individuals can go, get that help
10:40:28 there, for an extended period of time, and get the kind of
10:40:31 help and get started before they embark on taking advantage
10:40:34 of other types of programs.
10:40:36 Again, they will participate in coordinating intake
10:40:39 assessment, doing the analysis.
10:40:42 But this gives them a place to stop, quote-unquote, the
10:40:46 bridge housing we talked about, a place to stay before a
10:40:48 permanent home is found.
10:40:49 This is the facility that council had talked about, you
10:40:51 know, many times, a long time ago.
10:40:55 And this is good.
10:40:56 It's actually within the city limits.
10:40:58 It does have bus transportation to and from there.
10:41:03 Transfers, no question, but you can get there just with some
10:41:07 bus a passes.
10:41:10 A product of partnership.
10:41:12 It's Hillsborough County leading the way.
10:41:13 But again they are putting out an RFP for an agency to run
10:41:17 that facility.
10:41:18 And homeless initiative is part of that.
10:41:23 So Tampa participants in offering some of their resources as
10:41:26 well through the program.
10:41:29 Another quick things to touch on.
10:41:31 When the county went through and reorganized their homeless
10:41:36 recovery services, they sought to use the money that be had
10:41:40 been going there to other agencies.
10:41:41 And what you see in front of you is the three agencies, the
10:41:44 first three that they have done, I think that they intended
10:41:48 with Metropolitan Ministries, provides emergency and bridge
10:41:52 For families.
10:41:53 Not only areas located here, but also in other parts of the
10:42:00 city as well as in the county as well.
10:42:01 It's not just exclusively North Boulevard -- or in Nebraska.
10:42:08 It's in different areas around the county as well.
10:42:10 Because it was county dollars and they had to have county
10:42:16 ACTS, also again, a TEFRA part of the population because
10:42:21 they have perhaps disadvantages or disabilities that they
10:42:25 have to deal with as well.
10:42:26 But they are also providing some of the bridge housing with
10:42:28 the various supportive services for substance abuse or
10:42:32 mental disorders that folks have.
10:42:35 And they are spreading it around, which is a good thing.
10:42:37 They have a 15-unit apartment complex in the city and also
10:42:42 using other community-based apartments scattered around
10:42:45 various parts of the county and city.
10:42:47 And then finally Salvation Army.
10:42:53 it allows
10:42:53 Them to begin to start their bridge housing instead of just
10:42:56 having people come in at 6:00 at night and go in and check
10:42:59 in in the morning.
10:43:02 Everybody rolls out, comes out.
10:43:04 What they have done is they have allowed individuals to stay
10:43:07 for longer periods of time.
10:43:08 You still will see people coming out of the building.
10:43:11 But the reality is, those folks, without having to pay, they
10:43:15 cannot go in there -- they can go in there take advantage of
10:43:19 the case management services, and get up to 45 or 90 days
10:43:24 depending on the recommendation of the various case
10:43:27 But they will get some of the support rather than just a
10:43:32 place to eat and sleep.
10:43:34 They have some of the support services there as well.
10:43:41 That's my report.
10:43:42 I would like to ask council -- and I don't know what the
10:43:45 protocol is, chairman, to just take the motion here.
10:43:50 Because if you read the motion with the budget, we have come
10:43:52 so far from that, I would rather if somebody could change
10:43:55 the motion to biennial report on homelessness issues.
10:43:59 And just be a little more accurate to the kinds of stuff
10:44:03 that I have been doing the last two times.
10:44:04 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Thank you, Thom.
10:44:06 Because you read my mind.
10:44:07 I thought about that yesterday when I was looking at this
10:44:10 And I will be happy to do that.
10:44:11 So I will move that we amend the original motion that was
10:44:15 made, let's see, original motion made, I made it, Councilman
10:44:22 Reddick seconded it on January 26, 2012, and I will amend
10:44:26 that to remove the items under 1, 2, 3 and 4, so that it
10:44:37 will only state biennial report on the status of our efforts
10:44:43 to aid the homeless.
10:44:47 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a second by Mr. Reddick.
10:44:49 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Would you want to he establish that on
10:44:57 December 18th of 2000?
10:45:01 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Yes.
10:45:02 Including the date.
10:45:03 I didn't hear you say that date.
10:45:05 And I did have a statement to make, and I'm glad that the
10:45:12 individuals are here this morning, because this is a subject
10:45:15 that they care deeply about.
10:45:17 And it was maybe divine intervention that we are hearing
10:45:22 these two items on the same day.
10:45:23 And I want to say that I appreciate your work and the work
10:45:29 of your staff for continuing to support our homeless
10:45:34 initiatives, because when we passed that solicitation
10:45:38 ordinance, I know not only myself but other members of
10:45:42 council had stated that we are not just a punitive city.
10:45:52 I committed myself to work as hard as I could to help
10:45:59 alleviate the reason why people were out panhandling and
10:46:05 soliciting from cars and sidewalks originally.
10:46:10 So in three years, I think we have come a very, very long
10:46:15 And I really appreciate all the time and effort that you as
10:46:20 a staff put in.
10:46:21 So thank you very much for this.
10:46:28 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I haven't taken that vote but it says
10:46:29 here biennial report.
10:46:32 Unless that means something different than I know, that
10:46:34 means in July and December.
10:46:37 If it's December, the next one is going to be in July.
10:46:40 That's what it says here on item number 5.
10:46:46 When I take that vote I want to make sure.
10:46:49 I have a motion by Mrs. Montelione.
10:46:50 Second by Mr. Reddick.
10:46:51 The same two that made the first report some time back.
10:46:55 All in favor of that motion please indicate by saying aye.
10:46:58 Opposed nay.
10:46:58 The ayes have it unanimously.
10:47:00 Thank you very much, sir.
10:47:00 >>THE CLERK: And Capin and Mulhern absent.
10:47:07 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Item number 6.
10:47:15 Bob McDonaugh.
10:47:20 >> Michael Hatchett, manager for the CRA, here to present to
10:47:35 you, answer questions that you may have regarding item
10:47:37 number 6.
10:47:39 Questions were raised regarding the fence surrounding
10:47:44 paradise missionary Baptist church on Scott street.
10:47:46 So if it please the council, I would like to provide a
10:47:49 little background information and answer any questions that
10:47:51 you may have.
10:47:56 Could I have the Elmo, please?
10:47:58 I would direct your thoughts to the Encore project just
10:48:02 north of downtown, and orient you to the graphic.
10:48:07 Scott street, here, Perry Harvey park to the west of the
10:48:13 site, the church, greater missionary Baptist here at the
10:48:17 corner of Scott, and the orange boundary depicts the
10:48:23 property that is now owned by the school district which will
10:48:26 become Meacham elementary school or to be constructed by the
10:48:30 school district some years ahead.
10:48:33 The orange boundary also depicts the location of the fence
10:48:38 than that is around the school district's property.
10:48:41 The fence was constructed by the Tampa Housing Authority
10:48:46 since the village was demolished.
10:48:49 They wrapped the site with a fence, and that's still there
10:48:55 Questions have been raised by church leadership over the
10:48:58 years since that fence was put in place as to is it in the
10:49:01 correct location, or is it on Housing Authority school
10:49:05 district property?
10:49:06 The Housing Authority did survey, verified that it is on
10:49:12 school district property, Housing Authority property at the
10:49:15 time it was put there.
10:49:17 So the fence is in the correct location.
10:49:19 In looking forward into the future, they are anticipating
10:49:23 that this fence, or a replacement fence, will remain for at
10:49:28 least the next five years, as they are anticipating
10:49:31 developing at this site which will remain there until the
10:49:35 school district constructs the new school.
10:49:37 So in summary, the fence is permitted.
10:49:40 It is verified to be in the correct location on school
10:49:43 district property.
10:49:44 And it will remain either as is or replacement fence will be
10:49:48 put in place until the school is constructed.
10:49:54 >>FRANK REDDICK: Thank you.
10:49:57 Does that fence prohibit pastor Williams from or his
10:50:01 congregation from being able to park by their church?
10:50:07 >> Could you repeat improper question?
10:50:10 >>FRANK REDDICK: Does that fence prohibit pastor Williams
10:50:13 and the congregation from having access to the church?
10:50:15 >> No.
10:50:16 It does not prohibit access to the church.
10:50:18 Watt does do is block access to the school district's
10:50:21 >>FRANK REDDICK: All right.
10:50:23 So I see Mr. Moore here from the Housing Authority sitting
10:50:28 out there.
10:50:29 So I am going to ask him to come up since the Housing
10:50:34 Authority put the fence there.
10:50:43 Identify yourself first.
10:50:45 >> Moore, Tampa Housing Authority.
10:50:46 >>FRANK REDDICK: Thank you.
10:50:48 The Housing Authority, have they had any discussions with
10:50:51 pastor Williams?
10:50:53 >> Not in the last few years.
10:50:55 He did challenge the location of the fence when we had the
10:50:59 demolition activity going on.
10:51:00 We had the contractor reverify the location of the fence.
10:51:05 But we have not had conversations with him for at least
10:51:08 three or more years.
10:51:09 >>FRANK REDDICK: The reason the item is on the agenda is
10:51:13 for the past several meetings that we have had, pastor
10:51:16 Williams has appeared before us and made the allegation
10:51:19 about the fence, and he has stated that no one from the city
10:51:24 or no one from the Housing Authority communicated with him,
10:51:31 and he's stating that the fence was put there illegally.
10:51:34 So I just wanted to get a clear understanding, because I'm
10:51:39 at a point where, you know, I'm tired of pastor Williams
10:51:42 coming here and making all these allegations, and then I as
10:51:49 a member of council -- so we are taking this time to clear
10:51:56 this up, so clear this board up again.
10:51:59 I believe I have a response to him, or I can tell him -- I'm
10:52:04 surprised he's not here today.
10:52:05 But we just want to clear it up.
10:52:08 So that's the Tampa Housing Authority parrot where that
10:52:10 fence is located?
10:52:12 >> We Connecticut Vade it to the school several years ago.
10:52:20 >>FRANK REDDICK: And as Mr. Hatchett stated, it does not
10:52:26 interfere with his congregation to be able to park or go to
10:52:31 their church?
10:52:32 Because that's one of the allegations he's making, people
10:52:35 can't attend the church because that fence is around their
10:52:38 >> Not that I am aware of.
10:52:40 It's not impeding the use of his property.
10:52:44 My understanding is that his congregation may have used some
10:52:48 of the parking that was part of the what was on part of
10:52:54 Central Park Village community.
10:52:59 There were some vacant parking spaces because they didn't
10:53:03 have that many cars.
10:53:04 It may be that they no longer have the access to parking
10:53:07 lots but it's all been demolished as part of the
10:53:10 >>FRANK REDDICK: My last question is this.
10:53:13 Would you or someone from the Housing Authority be willing
10:53:16 to have some discussion with Mr. Williams, pastor Williams?
10:53:23 Or I will have to go to the school district, because he
10:53:28 needs to understand that.
10:53:29 And the way he's stating it as though something is wrong.
10:53:39 >> The Housing Authority has always been available to speak
10:53:44 with Mr. Williams, if he wants to meet with us, if he has
10:53:51 any need to meet with us.
10:53:53 We don't have ownership or control of that land.
10:53:58 >>FRANK REDDICK: All right, sir, the proper advice to Mr.
10:54:07 Williams, pastor Williams, would be to meet with school
10:54:10 district than.
10:54:11 That would be the proper thing to do?
10:54:15 For him to do?
10:54:16 Meet with the school district?
10:54:18 >> If he wants access to their land, he would have to.
10:54:20 >>FRANK REDDICK: Okay.
10:54:23 Well, he says I am no longer his friend, though.
10:54:38 I just wanted to clear this up and make sure you get all of
10:54:41 this cleared.
10:54:42 Because he has stated this publicly and openly several,
10:54:45 several -- at several meetings.
10:54:50 So that's all I have, Mr. Chair.
10:54:55 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you, Mr. Reddick.
10:54:56 Thank you, Mr. Moore.
10:54:57 Okay, thank you, Mr. Hatchett.
10:55:01 Item number 7 is a request from the city attorney, Julia
10:55:09 Mandell, to remove -- am I correct?
10:55:13 >> Yes.
10:55:17 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I need a motion to that effect.
10:55:19 Motion by Mr. Reddick.
10:55:21 Second by Mr. Cohen to remove item number 7.
10:55:24 The reason for that is that it is in litigation.
10:55:26 All in favor of the motion?
10:55:29 The ayes have it unanimously.
10:55:30 Thank you very much.
10:55:31 Item number 8.
10:55:32 >>JULIA MANDELL: And a request to continue number 8.
10:55:43 >>HARRY COHEN: Move to continue number 8 until August
10:55:48 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a second by Mrs. Montelione to
10:55:49 continue to August 7th, the same staff reports in the
10:55:54 morning at 9:00.
10:55:55 All in favor of the motion?
10:55:56 The ayes have it unanimously.
10:55:59 Item number 9.
10:56:00 >>JULIA MANDELL: City attorney.
10:56:05 I had been continuing to monitor what has been going on with
10:56:08 the Jackson house, and the pending outstanding order to
10:56:13 repair, which is outstanding, as not being complied with,
10:56:21 but it is on the property to repair the Jackson house, to
10:56:28 stabilization standards.
10:56:32 I have not been directly involved, but have been told that
10:56:36 there have been ongoing conversations between Mr. Robinson
10:56:40 is the owner of the Jackson house, and the NAACP, in terms
10:56:44 of moving forward with an attempt to stabilize the property
10:56:50 as a structure, as well as other moving forward with other
10:56:55 repairs, I understand that the NAACP has met with our
10:57:02 preservation manager Dennis Fernandez in an effort to
10:57:05 continue forward as part of their review for the options in
10:57:10 the effort to stabilize the Jackson house.
10:57:13 Those are ongoing conversations.
10:57:16 The city remains willing to work with Mr. Robinson, and with
10:57:20 the NAACP, as moving forward with any efforts to stabilize
10:57:24 the property, although we are concerned with the stability
10:57:32 of the structure as well as any safety concern.
10:57:33 We will continue to monitor the situation and will continue
10:57:36 to work with Mr. Robinson in moving forward in a manner
10:57:41 consistent with his wishes, so long as we don't get into a
10:57:45 public safety problem with the structure.
10:57:48 I do, as I said, understand those conversations are ongoing,
10:57:51 and we will continue to monitor the situation, and I am
10:57:56 happy to report back to council, if council would like me to
10:58:01 come back.
10:58:01 Thank you.
10:58:03 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you.
10:58:03 Mr. Reddick.
10:58:04 >>FRANK REDDICK: I respect you for your patience, the
10:58:15 conversation is ongoing.
10:58:16 That can be ongoing, ongoing.
10:58:18 But here is what concerns me.
10:58:21 We are moving to hurricane season.
10:58:23 And we are not -- or if they are not able to stabilize this
10:58:28 property sometime soon, we run into danger.
10:58:33 And that's what frightens me.
10:58:36 So I understand the hardship Mr. Robinson is dealing with,
10:58:45 and I understand the NAACP.
10:58:48 But it seems to me, we have got to have this matter time
10:58:52 frame, because we are starting to get strong wind, and
10:59:01 strong wind and rain in the evening time, and I'm just
10:59:07 wondering what problems we are facing.
10:59:11 Because my car is in the body shop right now because of a
10:59:22 tree, a big old tree branch fell on top of it, and I hate to
10:59:28 see the house torn down, and that's the reason I'm
10:59:40 concerned, with us moving to the hurricane season, and we
10:59:43 have thunderstorms and strong winds.
10:59:46 So I'm just suggesting to you in we are going to need to
10:59:54 find a time frame for someone to come forward and stabilize
10:59:58 that house before we get into the deep part of hurricane.
11:00:02 >>JULIA MANDELL: I share your concerns, and it has been my
11:00:07 concern for the last eight, nine months, which is why we did
11:00:10 issue the order to repair and agree with everything that you
11:00:15 And it's something that we have made Mr. Robinson's attorney
11:00:25 aware of that this can go on for a little bit, but at some
11:00:28 point as we monitor the situation, going into hurricane
11:00:30 season, there has to be some kind of end date, so we were
11:00:35 hopeful, and still remain hopeful that there's an
11:00:38 opportunity there.
11:00:39 But we also recognize that time is an issue.
11:00:44 And so that's why we have continuing.
11:00:50 Whatever happens, happens.
11:00:51 Monitoring it very closely, keeping very close conversations
11:00:54 going between our staff and Mr. Robinson with my
11:01:00 conversations occurring with Mr. Gilmore, and with that
11:01:03 comment, that Mr. Reddick just made, I will commit to you
11:01:07 that I will circle that with Mr. Gilmore to find out if we
11:01:14 are at a place now where we believe something is going
11:01:18 forward or not, and Weeki Wachee some options.
11:01:21 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Mr. Chair?
11:01:24 Quick question, Ms. Mandell.
11:01:28 The situations where Jackson house is at, and this is not
11:01:34 specifically to Jackson, it's under an order because of the
11:01:36 repair aspect of it.
11:01:38 Is there a requirement that they have some kind of insurance
11:01:40 for liability issues, that if that structure hurt someone
11:01:44 else --
11:01:51 >>JULIA MANDELL: An order to repair does require the hold
11:01:54 harmless agreement which I believe they have.
11:01:55 >>MIKE SUAREZ: They have liability insurance?
11:01:59 >>JULIA MANDELL: Whether they have liability insurance --
11:02:01 their liability insurance would cover their property
11:02:04 I don't know how much it would cover the right-of-way.
11:02:06 But I will tell you we also requested that to be signed as
11:02:12 well, which I believe has been executed.
11:02:17 Or hold the city harmless in --
11:02:22 >>MIKE SUAREZ: That's my question, if there was any injury,
11:02:26 or any property damage.
11:02:28 Mr. Reddick said a tree branch fell on his car, was it on
11:02:31 your property or the other property?
11:02:33 That makes a determination what's going to happen to your
11:02:35 car and who pays for it.
11:02:40 So you are waiting for the claim to come through, I'm sure.
11:02:43 >>JULIA MANDELL: I'll get you the claims adjustor.
11:02:51 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you, Mrs. Mandell.
11:03:04 >> Item number 10.
11:03:05 Item number 10 is a request of the legal department for the
11:03:11 Hillsborough process, regarding the -- unfortunately Mrs.
11:03:21 Singer has left the office.
11:03:23 We miss her but I am taking over this item in order to
11:03:26 address you today.
11:03:28 My understanding of what occurred approximately a year ago
11:03:31 is this request, a similar request was made of City Council
11:03:37 and the city administration to move forward with some form
11:03:39 of orthopedics relating to banning the box on employment
11:03:43 applications which my understanding means that our
11:03:45 employment applications are removing the box that requires
11:03:49 upon initial application to the city that there will not be
11:03:54 a question of whether or not there's a criminal background
11:03:58 of the individuals applying, that that is something that
11:04:01 will happen later in the application process.
11:04:04 I understand that that is what City Council approved the
11:04:09 ordinance which required that box no longer be on initial
11:04:12 application was the City of Tampa employment services.
11:04:18 The request that's in front of you today, what I understand,
11:04:21 is really a request that we as a city take some kind of
11:04:29 action to require vendors and/or contractors to remove the
11:04:34 box from their employment applications in order to do
11:04:37 business with the City of Tampa.
11:04:39 I believe that at the time, the legal department raised a
11:04:43 variety of concerns with that part of the request in terms
11:04:48 of how it would impact our purchasing, and requests for RFP
11:04:55 process, to apply to how would it enforce, and I would agree
11:05:02 with all of those concerns.
11:05:04 I have some concerns, and I think that there are some legal
11:05:08 issues with how we would enforce such a requirement on our
11:05:13 vendors, especially vendors that are nationwide vendors,
11:05:16 such as if we buy anything from Office Depot, and we are
11:05:22 contracting to Office Depot which is a national chain,
11:05:26 individual stores won't have that opportunity, so are we in
11:05:30 essence cutting our opportunities to have the lowest
11:05:33 possible price for an item, or who we can work with in terms
11:05:38 of that purchase of goods that would have an impact not just
11:05:43 legally, because I am not really sure how we would enforce
11:05:46 that in a nationwide way, or even in a local way, but also
11:05:50 in terms of how you would have your purchase process moving
11:05:57 forward in terms of your -- certainly there is opportunity
11:06:01 to put something inside these documents to say that whoever
11:06:07 is supplying the bid has removed the box as it were from
11:06:11 their initial -- from their initial employment application.
11:06:17 But I'm not sure how you would want to enforce that in the
11:06:20 same manner.
11:06:21 But, too, will we just be doing that for those employees
11:06:24 that are doing business directly with the city?
11:06:28 If we have a contractor who is doing work for the city, and
11:06:31 they have certain employees, they remove that box, or
11:06:35 certain employees remove that box from, I don't know how we
11:06:38 would make sure that each and every individual has that the
11:06:43 benefit of that protection.
11:06:45 I also have some concerns as to how that would impact your
11:06:49 bid process.
11:06:50 Would that be now a new subject that could pick a particular
11:06:58 company for an employee to come back and argue and challenge
11:07:01 that bid, not from the bid itself, because that employee is
11:07:12 mad at us?
11:07:14 In terms of the legal department and how it could impact
11:07:16 your different processes, and as I said, I think there are
11:07:22 concerns that we originally raised in terms of enforcement,
11:07:25 impact be to your bidding procedures, and the impact to your
11:07:28 vending procedures.
11:07:31 I think that is the time that you originally decided not to
11:07:35 go in this particular direction.
11:07:36 That was the policy reason as to why you chose to not go
11:07:42 forward because of the legal concerns that we had raised,
11:07:44 how it would impact your different processes and procedures,
11:07:52 and that type of ban and also what process you would use to
11:07:57 put that in, some of it might be put in the ordinance, some
11:08:01 of it might be in an executive order.
11:08:03 But I can tell you, I think the legal department felt a
11:08:07 significant level of comfort that you could have an
11:08:10 ordinance which does impact the organization of the City of
11:08:12 Tampa, and that was something that I believe has been
11:08:18 So I'm available for questions.
11:08:21 I'm really just raising the same concerns that have
11:08:24 previously been raised, and I see there are valid legal
11:08:28 concerns that you really should be considering if you decide
11:08:30 to move forward with something.
11:08:32 Thank you.
11:08:34 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Council members?
11:08:36 Mr. Suarez and Mrs. Montelione.
11:08:37 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Mrs. Mandell, I have a couple of questions
11:08:41 concerning not only our right to do this because I think we
11:08:44 do, and we can ask outside vendors to, as a requirement for
11:08:49 business, to do this.
11:08:51 Here is a question that I have.
11:08:53 There are no other cities in Florida that currently do this,
11:08:57 there are?
11:08:57 >> Not that I am aware for vendors.
11:08:59 There may be others that do it internally.
11:09:02 And I want to be clear.
11:09:04 I just looked -- be.
11:09:06 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I figured you got Mr. Singer's book.
11:09:10 >> I did.
11:09:12 It's a very good book.
11:09:13 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I'm sure it is.
11:09:16 She's an excellent attorney and we are sorry that she is
11:09:20 going to a different field now so she is not going to be a
11:09:22 practicing attorney. Anyway, there was a statement that was
11:09:27 made during the presentation earlier in public comments
11:09:31 about private businesses, or legally disqualify someone to
11:09:39 hiring them if they checked, that they have had some kind of
11:09:43 I don't know if that's necessarily true.
11:09:44 I don't think it is.
11:09:45 I think that the reason why most of the time we ask these
11:09:48 questions for lots of different reasons, depending on what
11:09:51 type of job they are going to have, but that they can still
11:09:55 hire them.
11:09:55 Anyone can still be hired based on that.
11:09:58 A felony itself or felony conviction does not preclude an
11:10:02 employer from actually hiring somebody.
11:10:04 You know, other than the type of job, there's no legal --.
11:10:11 >>JULIA MANDELL: There might be certain types of jobs under
11:10:13 federal regulations or state regulations certain felonies
11:10:16 wouldn't qualify for.
11:10:18 But anything over and above that is up to the individual
11:10:20 business to make whatever decision.
11:10:22 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Then when we had this discussion originally
11:10:25 concerning the city employees, the idea was that just
11:10:31 because they have a conviction doesn't mean that they
11:10:34 necessarily can't do the job.
11:10:35 But there are certain convictions that we would not want
11:10:38 them on specific jobs, such as if someone was a convicted
11:10:42 pedophile you don't want them working in the Parks
11:10:44 Department, things like that, that gives us enough leeway to
11:10:47 say, okay, we know what the conviction is, we cannot hire
11:10:50 you for this particular position because of the previous
11:10:52 conviction, and I understand that, and I think businesses
11:10:58 it's the same thing, which if you are a thief that has
11:11:01 stolen large sums of money by using, you know, computer
11:11:08 false, you know, identities, you probably don't want to be
11:11:11 the person who is in the office who has access to all the
11:11:16 billing records and the way that they use their dollars.
11:11:19 I mean, there's lots of reasons why you don't hire someone
11:11:22 in a particular position.
11:11:24 The reason I was asking this specifically, and here is my
11:11:30 biggest concern about this.
11:11:31 There's two things.
11:11:31 One is I don't know -- and I had mentioned this to the group
11:11:36 privately before, which is, you know, San Francisco, they
11:11:41 were talking about banning the box, and I think they may
11:11:44 have had banned the box eventually for those government
11:11:49 They met with different businesses across the city to talk
11:11:52 to them about what kind of an effect this was going to have
11:11:56 an their business.
11:11:57 They didn't always agree but they did become more of an
11:11:59 advocate as opposed to an adversary in this particular
11:12:03 And again, you know, there has not been any statements made
11:12:09 that that's what has been done on the part of Hope.
11:12:14 Secondly -- and this is a real fear for me, for almost
11:12:18 anything we do in City Council, which is the preemption by
11:12:20 the legislature, if we did have something like this.
11:12:23 Here is the problem.
11:12:24 And preemption means -- and I am just goings to say this for
11:12:27 the public's benefit -- that we could pass anything here and
11:12:31 the legislature could then pass a law saying you can't do
11:12:34 that in your city.
11:12:36 We have seen this in lots of other states, including North
11:12:40 Carolina, which is one of the most egregious offenders of
11:12:44 But secondly, we have seen it on other issues that we felt
11:12:47 were here with -- dealt with here on City Council, which is
11:12:50 whenever we wanted to try to control something within city
11:12:52 limits, we were preempted by the legislature.
11:12:55 We could not move forward.
11:12:56 That's the reason I wanted to ask you about other cities in
11:12:59 Florida, whether or not there was a preemption.
11:13:01 In the legislature or had been passed this past session.
11:13:05 And you have no --
11:13:10 >>JULIA MANDELL: I am not aware of anything in Florida
11:13:12 legislature that would preempt this issue, but I will say to
11:13:19 take a different position, and that's something that hasn't
11:13:21 been, I think, fully vetted in terms of either this
11:13:25 discussion in the City of Tampa, or in other jurisdictions.
11:13:28 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you, Mrs. Mandell.
11:13:31 Thank you, chair.
11:13:31 >>LISA MONTELIONE: When you and I had a briefing, we talked
11:13:38 about a few things, and the request, I think, you know, the
11:13:48 city was in a much different place economically.
11:13:50 It wasn't, you know, the right direction for us to go.
11:13:54 We did what we could internally with our own processes.
11:13:58 But, you know, the economy just wasn't there yet.
11:14:00 The economy has gotten better, running on -- not on full
11:14:10 steam but we are getting better.
11:14:11 I would like to further discuss what we can do, and what the
11:14:14 direction is that might be right for us as a city, and
11:14:18 perhaps, you know, the wheels turn pretty slowly in
11:14:22 government, so perhaps by the time we settle on something
11:14:25 the economy will be fully recovered and will be full steam
11:14:28 So what I would like to ask is a few things.
11:14:32 We talked about it at this point yesterday.
11:14:34 And you brought it up again, is that individuals from the
11:14:37 business community have not been fully engaged, and I think
11:14:43 that moving forward, it's always best to reach out to those
11:14:46 that would be affected, to be see how, you know, they can
11:14:50 contribute to what would be helpful to them.
11:14:54 You know, being in the construction business, I can tell you
11:14:57 that probably be a good deal of the contractors that we
11:15:00 already work with in the city, or a good portion, more than
11:15:05 likely hired an employee previously, just my experience in
11:15:13 the construction business.
11:15:15 You can't have a trade business without looking at people
11:15:18 who are tradesmen, and that's usually a good opportunity for
11:15:24 people, as pastor Atchison pointed out this morning with
11:15:31 electrical tradesmen.
11:15:33 So I ask council's support in forming a small group of
11:15:39 business individuals who are in the trades to include
11:15:46 participation from the administration, perhaps the proper
11:15:53 person who already works with minority business contracting.
11:15:56 He has access to a lot of the contractors who do business
11:16:00 with the city, and minority business, limited business,
11:16:05 small local business segment.
11:16:07 So if we can get some participation from those individuals
11:16:11 as well as from the chamber, the Tampa Bay builders
11:16:16 association, the associated builders and contractors,
11:16:20 because they are the organization that works with commercial
11:16:26 contracting, obviously TBEA is the residential contractor,
11:16:32 and put a small group together, including maybe one of us,
11:16:39 maybe more of us if we want to make it a sunshine issue,
11:16:43 with a limited time frame.
11:16:45 You know, maybe three or four meetings, figure out what is
11:16:50 amenable to them, find out what they are already doing and
11:16:53 what their practices are, and then come back with some
11:16:58 >>JULIA MANDELL: The only thing I will say is there is a
11:17:01 group that is being formed as a result of actions.
11:17:05 That in itself is a sunshine board would require that kind
11:17:10 of compliance.
11:17:15 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I was hoping to --
11:17:18 >>JULIA MANDELL: It would be creating a sunshine board.
11:17:20 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I'm already up to my eyeballs.
11:17:31 Not that nobody else is.
11:17:36 >>HARRY COHEN: I know you would be able to undertake the
11:17:39 work, if we go in that direction.
11:17:41 Another idea that might point us somewhere is to ask vendors
11:17:49 to voluntarily comply with the provision.
11:17:54 And the reason I say that is because if it's in fact true
11:17:58 that a lot of companies are already employing people with
11:18:04 criminal backgrounds, or if they by virtue of being asked
11:18:09 might think about reformulating their application, it might
11:18:12 be something that they would be willing to do, and it would
11:18:16 also give us the sense of what the universe of vendors out
11:18:21 there is actually doing.
11:18:23 And, you know, it's something to think about.
11:18:25 It's not an end result.
11:18:27 But it must be an interim step that could give us a sense of
11:18:32 what the actual attitude of the market would be.
11:18:37 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Mr. Reddick and then Mr. Suarez.
11:18:40 >>FRANK REDDICK: Ms. Mandell, the document that I see says
11:18:51 about 16 cities doing this.
11:18:52 And I know you just got involved with this process.
11:18:55 Have you had the opportunity, or do you know if Mrs. Singer
11:18:59 had the opportunity to reach out to any of these cities to
11:19:04 see about getting this approved?
11:19:07 >>JULIA MANDELL: I believe Mrs. Singer did, and her and I
11:19:10 did discuss this, to reach out to some of these
11:19:12 jurisdictions, and keeping in mind that the laws and
11:19:18 regulation Netzsch state, how each jurisdiction has to
11:19:21 handle it whether it's via ordinance, or the ordinances they
11:19:25 put in place to write executive orders, and criteria, and
11:19:32 it's really kind of hard to sometimes match up what's
11:19:35 happening in other states to something like this, but there
11:19:38 are jurisdictions as you can see that have put in place
11:19:41 measures to both ban the box in terms of internal.
11:19:46 They also ban the box for vendors.
11:19:48 And there are some jurisdictions that made an effort to try
11:19:51 to ban the box within the jurisdiction.
11:19:55 And I don't believe that there's any litigation over it or
11:19:59 anything like that, so I don't want to overstate any issues,
11:20:03 but in Florida law, in terms of your processes in the City
11:20:06 of Tampa, the concerns that I have raised are ones that I
11:20:12 think could have a significant impact through this process,
11:20:16 but at the same time, if council wants to bring an
11:20:22 alternative forward we can continue the conversation.
11:20:26 >>FRANK REDDICK: Let me ask you.
11:20:31 Anything can be doable if we want it to be doable, correct?
11:20:36 >> Well, anything is doable as long as you understand the
11:20:39 risks, and that's my job to give you those parameters.
11:20:41 >>FRANK REDDICK: Right.
11:20:44 But we could make it doable within the confines of the law
11:20:46 of the State of Florida, right?
11:20:49 >>JULIA MANDELL: You can put in an ordinance or some other
11:20:52 kind of -- through an executive order or ordinance of City
11:20:58 Council action which would provide that all vendors in the
11:21:02 city and all contractors, in a specific city, are obligated
11:21:06 to not place that box on their initial job application, and
11:21:16 to inform fuss they are not doing that in order to be
11:21:18 eligible to do work for the City of Tampa.
11:21:24 But there's a catch, that I am trying to express to you,
11:21:27 that you may be knocking out national chains that don't have
11:21:30 the opportunity for police to be able to just do it with
11:21:34 their local vendors, who have been talking about in terms of
11:21:38 which employees, you know, but I am not sitting here telling
11:21:44 you that you can't do anything.
11:21:45 I'm saying if you do something, here is the risk to the
11:21:48 >>FRANK REDDICK: Right.
11:21:49 And I understand the risks made each week.
11:21:53 >>JULIA MANDELL: Well, there are risks but this one might
11:21:58 be a little more significant that we are able to think
11:22:04 >>FRANK REDDICK: That's the why the original question is to
11:22:07 have the legal department review this to see if it is indeed
11:22:11 I agree with my colleague, Mrs. Montelione, about maybe
11:22:16 putting together something in the city, an ad hoc committee
11:22:21 to look at.
11:22:21 This but one thing, I would hate to see doing this for the
11:22:27 next six years, and I would hope in a time frame come back
11:22:32 with a recommendation, understood our laws with the
11:22:43 conjunction of the legal department.
11:22:47 I just don't want to see us with a committee out there --
11:22:54 >> Well, trust me, I agree with you.
11:23:00 That will have a sunset.
11:23:01 >>FRANK REDDICK: Thank you.
11:23:03 And that's what I want to see.
11:23:08 And I will support that and second your motion.
11:23:12 But I would like some time.
11:23:16 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Absolutely.
11:23:18 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I was going to reiterate what Mr. Reddick
11:23:21 just said.
11:23:22 I believe we really do need to reach out to businesses, to
11:23:25 talk to them about this.
11:23:26 Because you know what?
11:23:27 They may have actually even a better track record than what
11:23:31 we give them credit for.
11:23:33 In addition, what kind of effect it going to have on them.
11:23:36 We just need to know.
11:23:38 Because we are all about fairness.
11:23:39 We want to make sure that everyone has an opportunity to
11:23:41 talk about what we are trying to do.
11:23:45 So if it's an ad hoc committee, then it still has to be a
11:23:51 sunshine committee, Mr. Shelby?
11:23:53 >>MARTIN SHELBY: No.
11:23:54 If City Council does not take any official action in
11:23:58 furtherance of asking for a recommendations then the
11:24:00 committee could be formed outside of this organization.
11:24:05 A City Council member can even attend, or perhaps even be
11:24:09 But again if more than one shows up --
11:24:12 >>MIKE SUAREZ: My point, Mr. Shelby, there would be no
11:24:15 motion in asking for that to be formed so it does not become
11:24:18 a sunshine committee.
11:24:19 >>MARTIN SHELBY: That's correct.
11:24:22 >>MIKE SUAREZ: So I think our discussion has gone towards
11:24:24 the last person on the dais who has experience with
11:24:30 construction companies that may want to go ahead and go
11:24:32 forward and put that together.
11:24:34 We would really appreciate it.
11:24:35 Thank you, chair.
11:24:37 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Mrs. Montelione?
11:24:38 >>LISA MONTELIONE: And one of the things that Ms. Mandell
11:24:43 brings up is would that reply to companies that were not
11:24:47 construction companies? So you brought up, you know, Office
11:24:50 Depot or staples or Home Depot if we buy supplies from them.
11:24:56 So I guess we would have to define which companies, or sizes
11:25:02 of companies, so I would ask for your assistance before
11:25:08 forming this group whether it's by motion of council or just
11:25:13 informally, as Mr. Suarez suggests, and ad hoc, because I
11:25:17 take that suggestion as a very good one, because in the
11:25:23 industry, if we have a sunshine board, they would not be
11:25:29 able to talk to each other.
11:25:30 And people, individuals, don't always understand the
11:25:37 sunshine law, if you are not an elected official.
11:25:41 They do not understand that they can't talk about this
11:25:43 subject over lunch or coffee or a beverage.
11:25:49 >> That's correct.
11:25:51 >>LISA MONTELIONE: So maybe not being a sunshine board is
11:25:54 the best route to take, because I want to hear their ideas,
11:25:57 and I don't want to impede them from talking amongst
11:26:00 themselves to come up with some ideas.
11:26:02 And so I would ask for participation, maybe more meetings
11:26:09 with you, Mrs. Mandell, whoever on your staff is assigned to
11:26:13 this, and participation of Mr. Spearman and purchasing, Mr.
11:26:18 Hart and minority business contracting, so we can maybe work
11:26:21 through some parameters, and figure out who we would be
11:26:27 I had a conversation yesterday with David Vaughan in
11:26:30 contract administration because I saw that one of our items
11:26:33 on the agenda today for approval is a contract for overhead
11:26:37 door services for the City of Tampa.
11:26:40 Demand star sent out 239 requests for bids from our
11:26:47 solicitation lists of companies that do business with us.
11:26:50 We had one response.
11:26:53 And I asked why out of -- why there was only one response,
11:27:00 and he informed me that the economy is getting better.
11:27:04 And when the economy gets better, the companies would prefer
11:27:09 to do work in the private sector, not in the public sector.
11:27:13 So when the economy is bad, we have a lot of people, you
11:27:16 know, sending in bids to us, because they want to, you know,
11:27:23 we governments have the money to do contract work, but when
11:27:26 the economy is good, more would rather do business with the
11:27:31 private sector than the public.
11:27:32 So we have a lot of reasons why our pool of vendors might
11:27:39 >>JULIA MANDELL: May I make a suggestion?
11:27:45 Maybe if council so desires to have a motion to place this
11:27:48 on the agenda for a workshop in three months, and in the
11:27:50 meantime, Mrs. Montelione, I will commit to working with
11:27:55 whoever from City Council to try to set up maybe some kind
11:28:03 of meeting that the legal department, you know, would be
11:28:07 participating in, to be able to bring back some information
11:28:11 at that workshop.
11:28:12 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I think three months would be
11:28:15 >>JULIA MANDELL: I know you don't have a lot of workshops
11:28:19 over the summer.
11:28:20 >>LISA MONTELIONE: So let's look at the calendar.
11:28:22 Mr. Cohen, do you have a date?
11:28:24 >>HARRY COHEN: Don't have a workshop until October.
11:28:27 So I think that's probably about when you are looking at.
11:28:34 Oh, here we go.
11:28:37 Yes, it October 23rd.
11:28:40 At 9:00 a.m.
11:28:41 >> Okay.
11:28:45 So then I will make a motion for a workshop to discuss the
11:28:52 parameters for developing a program for -- how shall I word
11:29:05 this? -- ex-offenders employment with companies to be do
11:29:10 business with the City of Tampa.
11:29:17 And I'm withdrawing the earlier motion.
11:29:21 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion by Mrs. Montelione.
11:29:23 For what day again?
11:29:25 >>HARRY COHEN: October 23rd at 9:00 a.m.
11:29:28 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: October 23rd of the year 2014 at 9:00
11:29:31 Seconded by Mr. Reddick.
11:29:32 Further discussion by council members?
11:29:33 All in favor of the motion?
11:29:36 Motion passed unanimously.
11:29:37 >>THE CLERK: Mrs. Capin and Mulhern absent.
11:29:44 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: That's the motion on item 10.
11:29:45 I didn't support this the first time and I would not be
11:29:48 supporting it the second time.
11:29:49 I am going to tell you why.
11:29:52 Does a box prohibit anyone from really getting employed in
11:29:56 the City of Tampa?
11:29:57 At the end of the day, if you don't put yes, that you are a
11:30:01 committed felon at some point, or whatever the cause may be,
11:30:05 and there is in a box, when you come to get checked out --
11:30:12 and you will be checked out -- doesn't show up.
11:30:17 So what we have done is wasted that individual's time, be it
11:30:21 he or she, that employer's time, be it he or them, the
11:30:24 city's time, so do they get employed?
11:30:31 I don't know.
11:30:32 But in my opinion, it's an exercise that the end result
11:30:38 would have been at the beginning.
11:30:39 Not at the end.
11:30:41 So I can tell you that the State of Florida, at least the
11:30:44 division that I work in, if you fail to check that box be,
11:30:49 or put it in, and they come back, and they say, Mr. Miranda,
11:30:55 you failed to check that box.
11:30:58 Okay, let me have your license.
11:31:00 See you later.
11:31:01 Now, they have gotten so strict that this year, I had to
11:31:04 work on cases that I have never seen in my life.
11:31:08 In DUI.
11:31:12 In the 80s.
11:31:14 Or the seventh.
11:31:16 People have been licensed here in the State of Florida for
11:31:18 many years.
11:31:18 But they spent thousands of dollars to bring their horses to
11:31:22 races in the State of Florida.
11:31:23 They were denied a license because they had a DUI in 1977.
11:31:28 That's ridiculous.
11:31:31 But under those circumstances, there was no waivers.
11:31:35 You had to have -- go into the individual who was in charge
11:31:41 of doing the checks and balances for the state, and they
11:31:44 would tell you it would be from ten days to 90 days.
11:31:48 There's only one problem, for 90 days.
11:31:53 So that's an extreme.
11:31:54 I don't think that the City of Tampa is doing this.
11:31:56 So then, why do they have that box?
11:31:59 Than because you might have done the crime, for whatever
11:32:04 reason ten years ago.
11:32:07 And you change your life.
11:32:12 They can follow that pattern.
11:32:13 And they say you are acceptable.
11:32:15 But what about if you had a crime ten years ago, then you
11:32:17 had one five years ago, and you had one yesterday?
11:32:20 Now what do you do?
11:32:24 I mean, at some point in time, somebody has got to be
11:32:27 responsible for their own actions, not what they did ten
11:32:31 years ago as a 15-year-old teenager.
11:32:34 And that's the be things that we have got so far out that we
11:32:39 have problems with.
11:32:40 There's where we are at.
11:32:43 Thank you very much.
11:32:43 >>JULIA MANDELL: Thank you.
11:32:49 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: And when we did the addendum we said that
11:32:52 77 and 78 were going to be put in staff.
11:32:55 I would like to take that now so items 14 and 17 look like
11:32:59 they are going to be some time.
11:33:02 I would like to take 77 and 78.
11:33:04 I know that's in Mrs. Montelione's committee originally.
11:33:07 So if I may, Mrs. Montelione, the floor is yours.
11:33:13 Item number 11 understood staff reports is moved by Mrs.
11:33:22 Seconded by Mr. Cohen.
11:33:23 All in favor of the motion?
11:33:25 The ayes have it unanimously.
11:33:26 >>LISA MONTELIONE: (off microphone) and I would like to
11:33:31 move item 12.
11:33:32 >>HARRY COHEN: Second.
11:33:34 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Motion by Mrs. Montelione.
11:33:36 Second by Mr. Cohen on item number 12 under staff reports.
11:33:38 All in favor of the motion?
11:33:41 The ayes have it unanimously.
11:33:42 >>LISA MONTELIONE: And also I would like to move item 13.
11:33:48 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Moved by Mrs. Montelione.
11:33:49 Seconded by Mr. Suarez.
11:33:51 All in favor of that motion please indicate by saying aye.
11:33:53 Opposed nay. The ayes have it unanimously.
11:33:56 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Item number 77 and 78.
11:34:11 >>GINA GRIMES: Than Hill, Ward, Henderson, 101 East Kennedy
11:34:14 I'm here on items number 77 and 78.
11:34:20 Our firm has a client that is a property owner at the plaza
11:34:28 condominium and represents some other property owners south
11:34:30 of the gate.
11:34:32 77 and 78 have to do with encroachment authorization.
11:34:41 This matter was previously being handled by John Grandoff of
11:34:44 our firm.
11:34:45 And he wrote on June 11th, wrote a long letter to the
11:34:48 city attorney's office raising several legal issues
11:34:51 regarding the release of easement and regarding the
11:34:54 encroachment authorization.
11:34:56 And subsequent to that, Mr. Grandoff went on vacation and is
11:35:00 actually out of the country.
11:35:02 In that letter, he asked that these two items not be placed
11:35:06 on the agenda, as Ms. Mandell considered the legal issues
11:35:12 that were raised in the letter.
11:35:14 And I believe that these are more legal issues than they are
11:35:18 council issues.
11:35:19 I don't know that it's appropriate to discuss them at length
11:35:22 at this meeting.
11:35:23 Really, all we are asking for is for a continuance to the
11:35:26 first meeting in July so that the legal department can
11:35:30 complete their review of the legal issues that were raised,
11:35:33 but --
11:35:35 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Excuse me, I have three conversations
11:35:36 going on.
11:35:38 If you want to talk, with the attorney, stop and ask the
11:35:41 question so everybody can listen.
11:35:43 Yes, ma'am.
11:35:45 >>GINA GRIMES: More important, the reason for the
11:35:46 continuance is so that they have the opportunity to be here
11:35:52 whale the council considers this matter.
11:35:54 So with that being requested it be continued to the first
11:35:58 meeting in July.
11:35:59 Mr. Grandoff will be back then and perhaps give the legal
11:36:03 department more time to determine whether or not it's
11:36:05 appropriate to go forward.
11:36:06 >>FRANK REDDICK: Move to continue to July 17th.
11:36:14 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Mr. Suarez?
11:36:15 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I think Mrs. Mandell is outside and can
11:36:19 answer some questions.
11:36:20 You brought up some issues that I want to make sure --
11:36:46 Having a side bar.
11:36:49 >> Legal department.
11:36:56 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Yes.
11:36:59 Some point based on Mr. Grandoff's extensive letter to staff
11:37:02 concerning legal issues.
11:37:05 Very simple.
11:37:07 Whenever we are talking about these type of agreements,
11:37:13 legally, does any other group who is not part of that have
11:37:18 standing in order to, A, you know, take us to court for any
11:37:22 kind of decision that we make here?
11:37:25 And let me ask you that first and then I will ask my second
11:37:28 part of that.
11:37:29 >> Not generally.
11:37:30 We are talking about an encroachment agreement.
11:37:38 Generally, no.
11:37:38 But in this instance, I think what Mrs. Grimes raised and
11:37:44 what Mr. Grandoff raised was perhaps an issue of private
11:37:47 property rights, and being infringed upon, and secondly,
11:37:51 doesn't happen with encroachment.
11:37:53 Typically they are canopies or awnings or something like
11:37:57 And this is actually a sky bridge, as you know, that goes
11:38:01 across the right-of-way.
11:38:02 >>MIKE SUAREZ: So are there air rights, or visual rights,
11:38:10 whatever you want to call it, in terms of these particular
11:38:12 legal issues?
11:38:13 Because we are talking about a specific agreement.
11:38:18 And then that agreement has encroached in some way -- and I
11:38:21 don't mean encroached in terms of the legal agreement, but
11:38:24 encroachment in terms of their own rights.
11:38:26 When you are talking about private property right, what
11:38:29 private property rights are being inhibited or stepped up by
11:38:33 the city?
11:38:34 >> That's a good question.
11:38:35 And that's what I was hoping Mr. Grandoff would raise today
11:38:38 or at some other time.
11:38:40 >>MIKE SUAREZ: The answer is we don't know?
11:38:42 >> I don't know.
11:38:43 I don't know.
11:38:43 >>MIKE SUAREZ: And I appreciate that, because, you know, I
11:38:47 personally believe that, you know, outside groups that don't
11:38:50 have a legal right to come forward to us should not be
11:38:56 allocated necessarily the same kind of right as someone else
11:38:59 if they are a property right in which they are infringing
11:39:02 because we don't know the answer from our own legal
11:39:04 department whether or not we are infringing on someone
11:39:07 else's property rights.
11:39:08 I will support Mr. Reddick's motion to continue.
11:39:12 And I don't know if anyone else want to have any other
11:39:15 questions or comments, because I think that Ms. Grimes made
11:39:18 a very good case in terms of this being a legal issue and
11:39:21 not necessarily an issue for council, because it doesn't
11:39:23 seem to be a policy issue.
11:39:28 It has to do with whether or not the legality of what we can
11:39:30 do here on council is in any way affected.
11:39:34 So I would support that motion.
11:39:38 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Before I go to the motion I want to
11:39:40 continue the conversation we have with be the audience.
11:39:43 The motion that Mr. Reddick made and Mr. Suarez seconded.
11:39:47 >> Ron Weaver on behalf of the applicant for the
11:39:50 encroachment and the than partial addition to the easement
11:39:54 which is on your agenda item 77 and 78.
11:39:57 Respectfully, we have ownership of both sides of the
11:40:00 property rights with respect to the connection of our
11:40:02 property across the street to 777 extra spaces when this
11:40:09 harbor office was built, it had 777 extra spaces on a 560 of
11:40:15 which can be shared, and than this encroachment from my
11:40:19 property to our property, which, as all eleven of your
11:40:27 requirements meet, and we have looked at all eight pages of
11:40:31 Mr. Grandoff's letter and there's no basis whatsoever for
11:40:36 his last sentence, which is very much not out of order.
11:40:44 And from your staff here, and we are the only property
11:40:49 rights affected except the public right-of-way in the
11:40:51 middle, which you on at least 50 occasions have allowed
11:40:55 encroachment including one across the street with respect to
11:40:59 the one at City Center and 50 others throughout the city
11:41:03 over the course of those past four skywalk encroachment,
11:41:08 that there's no basis in those eight pages whatsoever.
11:41:11 In fact, he doesn't even claim we have meet any skywalk
11:41:17 I think your city staff would confirm.
11:41:20 So we respectfully ask it be heard today, and continue to
11:41:27 comment please about our application for the encroachment
11:41:31 skywalk and for the partial vacation easement, item 77 and
11:41:35 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you, chair.
11:41:38 And I need the legal department again to come to the dais.
11:41:43 We have got two separate lawyers, two separate ideas, on
11:41:46 what the heck we are supposed to be doing here.
11:41:49 You are our lawyer.
11:41:50 What is your recommendation that we should do?
11:41:57 >> Judge?
11:42:00 >> I'm in the best position here.
11:42:01 Well, I want to know if Mr. Shelby might have some input as
11:42:07 far as procedure.
11:42:07 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Well, excuse me, before you go forward, a
11:42:13 not a procedural question, it is a legal question.
11:42:15 You know what the firm of Hill, Ward, Henderson is making
11:42:20 comment about concerning this particular project.
11:42:23 We know that the representative for this particular project
11:42:27 has said that they believe they are in the right.
11:42:29 Now, we need to know, should we go forward with be this
11:42:32 based on your legal recommendation?
11:42:37 >> Jorge Martin: The short answer is council may proceed.
11:42:49 There is no legal impediment to proceeding.
11:42:54 Today is a public hearing.
11:42:56 Members of the public including those persons who oppose
11:42:59 Tampa skywalk can appear and talk.
11:43:02 I think there is no specific right to one that has to be
11:43:10 here, for any member of the public is certainly available to
11:43:19 speak today.
11:43:20 And so it is a public hearing for a resolution.
11:43:28 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Excuse me.
11:43:29 Let me say this.
11:43:30 This is not a public hearing.
11:43:31 This is under staff reports.
11:43:33 However, you are correct, the beginning of this meeting, I
11:43:37 allowed the public to speak on any item.
11:43:40 The rules call for any item that they wish to speak on, they
11:43:44 could have spoken on.
11:43:45 I didn't receive one from 77 or 78, if I recall.
11:43:50 And we had two of those, because I broke it up in half, 1,
11:43:54 2, 3, 4 and the tasers we spoke of, and then I went to
11:43:58 anything else they wanted to speak on.
11:43:59 So the general public had not one opportunity but two
11:44:03 opportunities, in effect, if they wished, to have spoken on
11:44:08 One was on 1, 2, 3, 4 and tasers, and the others were the
11:44:13 rest of the agenda or anything they wanted to speak on.
11:44:15 They chose not to that I know of.
11:44:18 >> Mr. Chairman, I think you are asking Mr. Suarez' question
11:44:21 almost better than I could.
11:44:23 From a legal impediment, I don't think there's a legal
11:44:27 impediment to proceeding.
11:44:27 >>MIKE SUAREZ: So there is a legal impediment based on what
11:44:30 we heard before about this.
11:44:32 I just wanted to make sure that we are clear about that
11:44:35 because we take recommendations from our lawyers seriously
11:44:38 in terms of them looking at the information.
11:44:42 Because we know that there is a court reporter in here.
11:44:44 We know that there is probably a probability of some kind of
11:44:47 legal proceeding.
11:44:49 I want to make sure that when we go forward, whenever we
11:44:52 make these type of decisions that have been vetted properly
11:44:55 by our legal department, and that we are not going to have a
11:44:58 very serious challenge to what we are doing going forward.
11:45:02 Thank you, chair.
11:45:05 >>GINA GRIMES: I know that public notice is not necessarily
11:45:08 required, but --
11:45:11 >> I know that we did ask two weeks ago in the letter that
11:45:15 we have an opportunity to have our clients here and have an
11:45:18 opportunity to address the request that's being put forth by
11:45:20 the applicant.
11:45:23 We did not know it was going to be on the agenda.
11:45:25 We thought it would not be scheduled during this time
11:45:28 And that's why my client is not here.
11:45:30 That's whereby Y Mr. Grandoff is not here.
11:45:33 Again we simply request a continuance to July 17th.
11:45:37 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Mrs. Montelione?
11:45:41 >>LISA MONTELIONE: My microphone.
11:45:44 Mrs. Grimes, I read in the newspaper, the agenda was
11:45:46 published on Friday, as is always is, and it was on the
11:45:49 agenda on Friday.
11:45:50 So it would have provided some time for you to know that it
11:45:57 was going to be heard today, as well as the coverage it had
11:46:02 received in the newspaper.
11:46:04 I read the letter that Mr. Grandoff had sent on June
11:46:12 So there was even some -- maybe not the exact date of June
11:46:17 171th what was going to be heard today, but this has
11:46:20 been churning for some time.
11:46:24 I didn't see anything -- and I'm not a lawyer, I haven't
11:46:28 been in real estate for quite awhile, the development area.
11:46:30 I didn't see anything in the letter that put your client in
11:46:35 the position where they could intervene in this matter.
11:46:43 Many of the things that were stated are, you know,
11:46:45 statements of fact, about the plat and the dedication of the
11:46:52 There really wasn't anything here that I saw that would
11:47:00 really pose a problem for vacating or, you know, the request
11:47:08 in items 77 and 78.
11:47:10 I will not be supporting Mr. Reddick's motion for the
11:47:14 I think that the city has the right as we do, many, many
11:47:19 times, to vacate -- this is not a public hearing.
11:47:26 It's not a rezoning application which typically we would
11:47:28 have a case presented, what he would have comments from the
11:47:33 public and then decide in a quasi-judicial setting whether
11:47:36 or not we would grant the request to the applicant.
11:47:41 Than I think even Mr. Grandoff stated it -- let me see if I
11:47:49 highlighted it here -- on page 4, that Plaza client's rights
11:47:58 may be primary to the exclusion of all other persons except
11:48:01 the city.
11:48:02 So our rights in this matter are the ones that count.
11:48:12 So again I won't be supporting the motion for continuance.
11:48:19 And I would support moving item 77 and 78 forward.
11:48:24 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Mr. Cohen?
11:48:25 >>HARRY COHEN: Well, mincing is we are not on the merit of
11:48:29 the issue yet.
11:48:30 We are still talking about whether or not we are going to
11:48:33 hear it today or hear it in a few weeks.
11:48:38 But in terms of whether to go forward or not, we will or
11:48:41 will not get to that question shortly.
11:48:43 Here is my concern.
11:48:50 I have seen items in the newspaper where people on Harbor
11:48:53 Island have written about this issue.
11:48:57 There have been e-mails sent to City Council about it.
11:49:00 And without getting into the merits of the matter, I know if
11:49:09 the resident of Harbor Island thought that we were going to
11:49:12 be hearing this today, they would have been here today.
11:49:15 And they are clearly under the impression that today was not
11:49:18 the day that was suitable to make public comment because
11:49:22 none of them came.
11:49:23 There wasn't one word.
11:49:27 So I'm concerned that there's some sort of misinformation
11:49:31 that went back and forth here.
11:49:34 That piece I'm having some trouble with.
11:49:46 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Well, let me say this.
11:49:48 There's two council members, if I recall, that won't be here
11:49:51 July 7th.
11:49:53 That's Mrs. Capin, by her statements, and myself.
11:50:00 >>HARRY COHEN: And I believe Councilwoman Mulhern may not
11:50:02 be either.
11:50:04 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I don't know that.
11:50:05 I really don't.
11:50:06 But I can tell you about two that I mentioned.
11:50:09 So I won't be supporting it because I won't be here.
11:50:13 And another council member won't be here.
11:50:15 That doesn't necessarily mean that we can't do it with the
11:50:18 other five.
11:50:18 I'm not saying that.
11:50:19 So that's where I am at.
11:50:22 Not for any other reason legally or not legally, I just
11:50:25 won't be here.
11:50:26 So neither is another council member.
11:50:28 >>FRANK REDDICK: Mr. Chair, I mean, our next meeting after
11:50:36 that is July 31st.
11:50:39 So I don't know if all seven will be here July 31st but
11:50:44 I don't have no problem with moving and restating it to July
11:50:49 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I don't know if you heard Mr. Reddick.
11:50:51 He said that he doesn't mind taking his motion back and
11:50:54 making a new motion for July 31st.
11:51:04 >> Related Group.
11:51:14 We met with the association in February of this year.
11:51:17 We have made our submittals, got three approvals from
11:51:21 different associations are required for Harbor Island
11:51:24 The first one is the HPPOA submittal.
11:51:27 We have submitted to the HPPOA.
11:51:29 We received their approval.
11:51:30 When we met with HCSA, we submitted and asked for some
11:51:36 changes in the articulation of the building for trees, as
11:51:40 well as on the street.
11:51:40 We made those changes.
11:51:42 We have submitted -- we resubmitted HPOA.
11:51:48 We received their revised approval.
11:51:51 We have spoken to HCSA this morning.
11:51:53 We are going to receive their conditional approval this
11:51:56 We have spoken to the north neighborhood.
11:52:00 Their approval will be granted, the HCSA approval on July 1.
11:52:07 So we would like this to be heard.
11:52:10 We think enough notice has been given and we would like to
11:52:14 proceed today.
11:52:15 Thank you.
11:52:18 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Yes, ma'am.
11:52:19 No, in a, up front, up at the make to the little podium
11:52:27 I need your name for the record.
11:52:29 >> I'm Carla Kirkwood and a resident of the plaza Harbor
11:52:33 I'm not represented by an attorney.
11:52:35 I'm an individual resident.
11:52:37 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Congratulations.
11:52:38 [ Laughter ]
11:52:40 >> I just wanted to state that I was at the presentation
11:52:44 when the developers did present.
11:52:46 And our concern about this bridge is that it does allow for
11:52:52 much greater density in that building than any of us -- than
11:52:59 many of us that live there were comfortable with, because
11:53:01 that will allow for parking across the street for residents.
11:53:05 And I did not know about this meeting.
11:53:08 By chance I found out about it Saturday.
11:53:10 I happened to be in town.
11:53:12 I came.
11:53:12 But I know many, many more people would like to voice their
11:53:18 opinion, their concerns about quite a structure that will be
11:53:21 built on the north end of Harbor Island, as far as our
11:53:27 safety, welfare of everyone.
11:53:31 I don't know that the city has had adequate time, or that
11:53:35 things have been reviewed, and all of the things that were
11:53:38 mentioned in the letter have been answered.
11:53:41 I really do not know that.
11:53:43 And I've heard Mr. Weaver said that the eleven points have
11:53:49 all been met, but we really don't have evidence of all of
11:53:53 And as citizens on the island, and it's our home, and the
11:54:01 skywalk is quite a large project.
11:54:04 And I don't think the city can wash its hand of it.
11:54:06 And I know many resident of the plaza are very concerned.
11:54:12 I don't know that they know about it today.
11:54:15 And I hope they get another chance to express their opinion
11:54:19 to the city.
11:54:21 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you.
11:54:22 Mrs. Montelione.
11:54:23 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Excuse me.
11:54:27 This is either for Mr. Weaver or his client.
11:54:30 When you were at the meetings, the public meetings with the
11:54:35 residents, or the associations, did you indicate that you
11:54:41 are failing with the city at an p time frame for when this
11:54:45 would be come forward?
11:54:46 >> I believe on May 21st.
11:54:50 Contradict, but I believe it was sent by Mr. Grandoff saying
11:54:54 it would be coming up on an upcoming consent agenda, in
11:54:57 other words, to be coming up on an upcome consent agenda,
11:55:02 which the planning staff sent to Mr. Grandoff, and from our
11:55:07 understanding of what we have seen of record, and therefore
11:55:09 this has been part of the February meeting, several meetings
11:55:14 at which hundreds of folks were made aware of what's going
11:55:18 on, are able to come to meetings than this would be
11:55:29 If we could have the Elmo.
11:55:33 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: The Elmo is automatic.
11:55:35 Put it there.
11:55:36 >> This is the rendering that was presented back at the
11:55:40 association meetings showing the sky bridge.
11:55:44 Here is another one.
11:55:45 >>LISA MONTELIONE: The other way.
11:55:48 There you go.
11:55:48 >> And I'll move it up so you can see the sky bridge.
11:55:57 Here is another one of the building looking from the
11:55:59 southwest or to northeast.
11:56:02 The sky bridge is clearly visibles.
11:56:04 These are things that were always part of those
11:56:06 presentations since we started the process in February.
11:56:09 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Saying that we are not discussing the
11:56:13 merits of the application, and sticking to whether or not we
11:56:16 would, you know, entertain a continuance, we went from the
11:56:21 17th to the 31st which moves it back.
11:56:24 And I understand from the e-mail received from Mr. Weaver
11:56:26 that there are contractual issues and closing dates, and I
11:56:32 know that a project of this magnitude, that those closing
11:56:36 dates have a des detrimental effect sometimes on the --
11:56:43 >> Ron Weaver: Yes, ma'am.
11:56:47 The market and the lenders and the sellers and the other
11:56:50 regulatory approvals that would await this particular one as
11:56:53 a linchpin to move on with various other approvals.
11:56:55 So it is four ways important that we not lose a week, much
11:57:00 less a month or five weeks.
11:57:01 Thank you.
11:57:01 >>LISA MONTELIONE: And if I can have somebody from staff,
11:57:05 Mr. Liverpool will get a chance in a second but I have a
11:57:08 question of someone from -- there we go.
11:57:11 >>BARBARA LYNCH: Barbara Lynch, Land Development
11:57:15 >> You handle these on a regular basis.
11:57:17 You are probably the right person to answer this.
11:57:19 >> This is actually an encroachment application which is
11:57:22 different from a vacating.
11:57:23 >>LISA MONTELIONE: So when this application came in, you
11:57:27 reviewed it or someone on your staff reviewed it?
11:57:30 >>BARBARA LYNCH: Yes.
11:57:31 Then we send it it out to all agencies to see if it's going
11:57:34 to meet guide lanes for utilities, to be able to, you know,
11:57:39 function within that area.
11:57:40 >>LISA MONTELIONE: During the time that you were reviewing
11:57:44 this application, did none contact you from either a
11:57:47 resident's standpoint or from a law firm inquiring about
11:57:52 when this might come up on an agenda, or if it was being
11:57:57 >>BARBARA LYNCH: I had contact with many citizens, I
11:58:00 think -- I don't believe he asked me what date it was going
11:58:06 to be scheduled for.
11:58:07 I don't remember discussing it with him.
11:58:11 There's been some other correspondence with other people in
11:58:13 my office, you know, at a higher level than I am about this
11:58:18 >>LISA MONTELIONE: So there is some window that may have
11:58:24 been given as to when this was going to be heard?
11:58:26 I mean, to say well, it probably going to be heard in June,
11:58:30 probably going to be heard in July?
11:58:34 Ms. Coyle maybe?
11:58:38 You don't want to say anything?
11:58:39 >> Generally these applications take about four to six weeks
11:58:43 from start to finish, and different law firms and I believe
11:58:48 Hill, Ward, Henderson has done encroachment before.
11:58:51 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I guess what I am getting at is in the
11:58:54 industry, that the level, there is an expectation, as you
11:58:59 said, how long things take, and you are projecting when this
11:59:03 is going to hit the calendar?
11:59:05 >> Yes.
11:59:05 Normally, for six to eight weeks, I don't know what's going
11:59:12 to come down from all the different agencies, whether
11:59:15 there's conflict or redesign.
11:59:16 So it can be --
11:59:19 >>LISA MONTELIONE: But generally it an expected time frame.
11:59:22 So to put it into language, I don't really buy the argument
11:59:26 that they didn't know that it was going to come up for, you
11:59:30 know, a vote sometime in June.
11:59:34 And that we are going on vacation, we are not going to have
11:59:38 council meetings for two weeks, so there may have been some
11:59:46 I deep that this was going to come up.
11:59:49 >>BARBARA LYNCH: And that you are going on vacation many
11:59:53 get placed on the agenda .
11:59:55 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Is 113 items on the agenda today when we
11:59:58 normally see 60 or 70. Understood.
12:00:01 That's the point I am getting at.
12:00:03 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
12:00:04 Mr. Liverpool.
12:00:04 >> Stephen Liverpool, part of Hill, Ward, Henderson I.want
12:00:09 to be bring up a couple of points.
12:00:11 Currently the ordinance under consideration is the
12:00:14 So we are not against the subject matter or the application
12:00:22 I was in attendance at the ARC meeting this past Tuesday,
12:00:26 the 24th, where there were interested citizens from
12:00:28 Harbor Island that were concerned.
12:00:32 There was no notice as to these two particular items with
12:00:39 relation to their application being on the agenda for today.
12:00:42 As Barbara noted that's been very helpful in helping us to
12:00:48 However, as is obvious, I think it a very complicated
12:00:54 It has not been scheduled for public comment.
12:00:56 Mr. Grandoff is requesting pull it off the public agenda so
12:00:59 it can be made available for public comment.
12:01:02 With that being said, we would request that the be continued
12:01:06 until the 31st, if that motion is currently being
12:01:13 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have got Mr. Suarez.
12:01:14 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you, chair.
12:01:22 The questions I had originally from the very beginning was
12:01:25 whether or not we have the right to go forward on this.
12:01:27 This is not the zoning case.
12:01:29 If it is a zoning case, then I want our legal department to
12:01:32 come forward and tell us that we can't do this thing.
12:01:35 And here is the problem, that we keep discussing it as if
12:01:38 it's a zoning case, when in fact it is not.
12:01:42 And here is the problem with us talking about it this way,
12:01:44 before you can start, Mrs. Mandell, that I don't want the
12:01:47 public having an expectation that we can stop the project
12:01:50 anyway F.they are already zoned and allowed to do this, then
12:01:54 there is very little that we can do about it, I assume.
12:01:56 That's what I want to find out.
12:01:57 >>JULIA MANDELL: City attorney.
12:01:59 The project in and of itself is entitled, it is legally able
12:02:06 to move forward without any additional approvals from any
12:02:09 public hearing process, as long as they meet the code
12:02:13 requirements, in compliance with the DRI.
12:02:16 This is simply to provide an opportunity top allow a sky
12:02:19 bridge to encroach over our rights-of-way, which is a
12:02:23 removable object.
12:02:24 If we need it removed for any reason and it something that
12:02:27 you have approved in the past.
12:02:30 It is not coming to you at the public hearing.
12:02:33 You can typically go on consent.
12:02:36 It follows the appropriate process that it was intended to
12:02:38 go through.
12:02:38 Whether or not there is a dispute than on a vote by property
12:02:43 owners within Harbor Island, with their requirements, is not
12:02:48 the issue for council.
12:02:50 What you have in front of you is a could Q to continue these
12:02:53 That is within your purview.
12:02:55 There is no legal prohibition from moving forward today.
12:02:57 >>MIKE SUAREZ: And the reason I am asking is because if we
12:03:03 continue it for another two or three weeks, whatever it is,
12:03:07 a month, there is really not going to be any on the
12:03:10 resolution that we have to come up with other than the
12:03:13 encroach issue anyway.
12:03:14 So if we agree not to have the contract doesn't mean that
12:03:17 building doesn't go up?
12:03:20 >>JULIA MANDELL: There is nothing that prevents that from
12:03:23 going forward as long as it meets code.
12:03:26 >>MIKE SUAREZ: That's my problem with all of this, okay,
12:03:28 that we don't have the ability as legal experts that we are
12:03:31 up here to go through Mr. Grandoff's nine-page letter to
12:03:35 make a determination between one lawyer saying we can go
12:03:38 forward on something, another lawyer saying you shouldn't go
12:03:41 forward on something because it's illegal, or it goes
12:03:46 against somebody's property rights.
12:03:48 The problem that we have is there's a lot of muddying of the
12:03:52 water here, and if we only have one thing to do, we have the
12:03:55 decide whether to go forward or not go forward, and I think
12:03:59 we need more time.
12:04:06 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Ten minutes and the public knows we are
12:04:08 going to quit at 12:10 or 12:11 and come back in an hour and
12:04:13 a half.
12:04:17 The 10 minute recommendation by Mr. Suarez, second by Mr.
12:04:21 All in favor?
12:04:22 Motion passed unanimously for ten more minutes.
12:04:25 It would be 12:11 when we leave.
12:04:28 All right.
12:04:29 Anything else, Mr. Suarez?
12:04:31 Any other council members?
12:04:33 Mr. Cohen?
12:04:33 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Council, I just want to remained you that
12:04:41 irrespective of what the motion is, there is a rule that may
12:04:45 complicate things or may affect what the result S.I just
12:04:48 want you to know it because you can only make the motion to
12:04:50 waive the rules.
12:04:53 If a motion to approve, deny or continue an ordinance or
12:04:56 resolution of a legislative matter, which this is, fails to
12:05:00 receive at least four votes either in support or opposition,
12:05:04 it shall automatically be brought before the council at the
12:05:07 next regular meeting as unfinished business.
12:05:11 That's your standing rule.
12:05:14 And that may affect what council chooses.
12:05:18 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Let me stop right here.
12:05:19 Stop the clock.
12:05:20 Stop the eleven minutes.
12:05:21 That rule as I interpret it quickly in my one-cell brain is
12:05:26 If a council fails to get four votes either way, if there
12:05:32 are four votes, you get four votes again against something
12:05:37 it loses.
12:05:38 You get four loses to go forward, it passes.
12:05:42 But we only have here five.
12:05:44 So it takes 80% of those present, 40, 60, 80, 100 to get to
12:05:50 However, if two don't, then you have got the problem.
12:05:59 So there's where we are at.
12:06:01 Start the clock.
12:06:04 Anything else?
12:06:06 Mr. Cohen?
12:06:06 >>HARRY COHEN: You know, as much as I would like to get the
12:06:12 resident an opportunity to talk about this, the reality of
12:06:14 the situation is that, now that I hear it all, the legal
12:06:19 arguments, I really think we have to move forward today.
12:06:22 This is not a public hearing.
12:06:25 In the sense where there are notice requirements and
12:06:28 And I think that we would be stepping outside of our proper
12:06:32 role to hold it.
12:06:34 And I originally was skeptical of.
12:06:39 That but as I am listening, and particularly as I listened
12:06:41 to Ms. Mandell's comments I think that's the case.
12:06:45 And I want to echo something that Mr. Suarez said, because
12:06:49 not gotten into the merits of this matter yet.
12:06:53 Our decision is extremely narrow.
12:06:55 It is not a decision on whether or not the buildings are
12:06:58 going to get built.
12:06:59 That's not what we are being asked, and that is not what we
12:07:02 have the power to decide.
12:07:04 That would be an entirely separate question if it were in
12:07:09 front of us.
12:07:10 But it is not in front of us.
12:07:12 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: We go back to the original committee that
12:07:14 was in Mrs. Montelione for 77 and 78.
12:07:17 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I move item number 77 for approval.
12:07:23 >>GINA GRIMES: Excuse me.
12:07:24 We don't have an opportunity to address the merits of it?
12:07:28 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Well, I'll tell you what I am going to
12:07:31 I am going to take a recess right now and you can come back.
12:07:34 Than when stand in recess.
12:07:36 Is that feign with you, Mr. Suarez?
12:07:38 >>LISA MONTELIONE: The motion on the floor --
12:07:43 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: No, the resolution --
12:07:45 >>MIKE SUAREZ: The only thing I would ask the chair and beg
12:07:47 your indulgence, if this is not a public hearing and the
12:07:52 only thing that we were talking about previously, which you
12:07:56 mentioned before which was anyone that high pressure any
12:07:58 business before us concerning any of the items on the agenda
12:08:00 could come forward.
12:08:03 This is on the agenda for them to say their case.
12:08:05 I think they have.
12:08:06 Our legal department said their case.
12:08:08 I don't know where we get to a solution in which they get to
12:08:14 keep talking about this.
12:08:17 >>GINA GRIMES: Well, if --
12:08:19 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Just a second.
12:08:19 Just a second.
12:08:20 [Sounding gavel]
12:08:24 >>MIKE SUAREZ: We appreciate what you have to say to us.
12:08:26 But we have something else to do here that is extraordinary
12:08:30 than we usually do.
12:08:31 So we need to figure that out ourselves.
12:08:33 So chair, all I'm saying is that if we are going to do that,
12:08:37 then I would rather us go for a continuance until we figure
12:08:40 out all the other issues.
12:08:41 But I don't think that that's our right.
12:08:44 And I don't think that's our role.
12:08:46 So I would say let's take a vote based on the motion by Mrs.
12:08:50 Montelione on this resolution, continue to go forward and
12:08:54 then see what the answer S.and --
12:08:57 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: From what I heard, no matter what happens
12:08:59 here, those buildings are going.
12:09:02 So we are talking about the sky tower going from one side to
12:09:05 the other side.
12:09:06 >>LISA MONTELIONE: No, sir, what we are talking about --
12:09:08 I'm sorry, with due respect -- and I'll read item 77.
12:09:13 The resolution is authorizing the mayor to execute and the
12:09:16 city clerk to attach a -- attest a release of easement
12:09:23 renouncing, discontinuing and a bon donning any city claim
12:09:27 to a portion of a platted utility easement encumbering real
12:09:30 property in the vicinity of 402 night's run Avenue in Tampa,
12:09:35 Florida, and that is from the agenda.
12:09:37 The cover sheet for the agenda item, further describes the
12:09:43 easement as a five-foot utility easement.
12:09:50 So what we are talking about is a five-foot utility
12:09:55 And our release of that utility easement.
12:09:58 And that's the motion that I am moving forward, that it is
12:10:01 appropriate, it is -- that we do all the time, and further
12:10:08 when we talk about pedestrian bicyclist safety, this is a
12:10:12 pedestrian bridge that would provide for the safety of those
12:10:15 residents of that building once its built and occupied.
12:10:20 >>FRANK REDDICK: Madam Chair, we have a previous motion
12:10:22 that was made by me, seconded by Mr. Suarez, to continue.
12:10:26 It was never voted on.
12:10:28 So before we entertain another motion --
12:10:31 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: All right.
12:10:31 I am going to go back to the original motion made by Mr.
12:10:34 Reddick, seconded by Mr. Suarez, July 17th which would
12:10:37 change, if I recall, so to July 31st.
12:10:42 Am I correct?
12:10:44 >>FRANK REDDICK: Correct.
12:10:45 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Chair, I would like to remove my second
12:10:48 because after listening to the legal department reiterate
12:10:51 what our rights are in terms of what we should be doing, I
12:10:53 will remove that second.
12:10:55 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion with no second.
12:10:56 Do I have another second?
12:10:57 Motion dies for lack of a second.
12:10:59 Mr. Reddick, I'm sorry.
12:11:01 Now -- now we have back to the motion of Mrs. Montelione.
12:11:09 I don't have a second yet on that motion.
12:11:12 I have a motion by Mrs. Montelione.
12:11:14 I have a second by Mr. Suarez.
12:11:16 Any further discussion by council members?
12:11:19 I am going to give you one minute.
12:11:20 If you want to speak.
12:11:24 Out of context, out of courtesy to your firm, I will give
12:11:28 you a three.
12:11:28 >> I would have had three minutes if I had come up --
12:11:33 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Well, you didn't --
12:11:35 >>GINA GRIMES: I don't need three minute.
12:11:37 You have our response to the letter written June 11th.
12:11:44 You didn't really get a staff presentation as to what these
12:11:47 two items encompassed.
12:11:49 But just to go right to the heart of the issue is that you
12:11:52 are authorizing the construction of a pedestrian bridge over
12:11:55 a right-of-way.
12:11:56 The way the city obtained that right-of-way is unusual.
12:12:01 It's not the general way that the city usually obtains a
12:12:04 Harbor Island is platted as a private street, and at some
12:12:08 point it's determined that instead of being private the main
12:12:10 roads would be deeded to the city, and they weren't.
12:12:14 If there was a reservation of rates for the property owners
12:12:17 on Harbor Island that had certain restrictions and
12:12:20 limitations on it.
12:12:21 Those rights, we believe, our clients' rights are being
12:12:25 violated as a result of the shared parking that is being
12:12:31 present PD to you as well.
12:12:33 So we think that the action that you are going to take
12:12:35 specifically on item 78, Mrs. Montelione, not on 77, which
12:12:40 is the authorization of the encroachment, and the
12:12:43 declaration for the parking --
12:12:45 (Bell sounds)
12:12:45 -- and that's what violates our clients' rights under the
12:12:48 dedication of the right-of-way when it occurred back in
12:12:53 2014, presented in the letter to Mrs. Mandell.
12:12:56 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you very much.
12:12:56 I have a motion by Mrs. Montelione.
12:13:00 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Move item 77.
12:13:02 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Seconded by Mr. Suarez.
12:13:03 Further discussion by council members?
12:13:05 All in favor of the motion?
12:13:08 Motion passes 4 to 1.
12:13:10 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Thank you, sir.
12:13:13 At this time, I would also like to move item 78.
12:13:17 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Do I have a second on 78?
12:13:19 I have a second by Mr. Suarez.
12:13:21 Further discussion by council members?
12:13:23 All in favor of the motion 78, please signify by saying aye.
12:13:29 Motion passes 4 to 1.
12:13:31 >>THE CLERK: On 77, the vote passed by a vote of 4 to 1
12:13:39 with Capin and Mulhern absent.
12:13:50 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: And on 78 we just took that one.
12:13:51 >>THE CLERK: And 78 passed unanimously -- I'm sorry.
12:13:58 Scratch that.
12:14:00 The vote was 4 to 1 with council member Reddick giving the
12:14:04 dissenting vote, and Capin and Mulhern absent.
12:14:09 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you.
12:14:09 We stand adjourned until an hour and a half, 1:41.
12:14:21 >> (Council recess.)
12:14:21 - - -
12:14:23 [Sounding gavel]
01:48:39 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: City Council is called to order.
01:48:41 Roll call.
01:48:42 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Here.
01:48:46 >>HARRY COHEN: Here.
01:48:47 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Here.
01:48:49 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Here.
01:48:52 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I believe we are on staff reports, item
01:48:54 >> Good afternoon.
01:49:01 Bob McDonaugh, economic development.
01:49:04 I want to report about these particular 14, 15, 16, 17
01:49:11 purchases of land and the relocation of some facilities.
01:49:14 I wanted to put a frame about it, basically because of an
01:49:19 editorial I read in the newspaper this morning about that
01:49:23 acting in haste and perhaps this is not a well thought-out
01:49:27 And I want to bring just a couple of things to council's
01:49:34 The ULI center was here in 2011 to do a study on this exact
01:49:43 In 2011 as well.
01:49:45 We had the ULI do a downtown study.
01:49:49 Subsequent to that, we had the InVision plan.
01:49:53 And in each of these plans, the relocation of the city yards
01:49:58 were contemplated.
01:49:59 Actually, they were advocated.
01:50:03 And supported.
01:50:04 Again, in the newspapers.
01:50:10 So again I want to reiterate the fact that this is not a
01:50:12 knee jerk reaction.
01:50:14 This is something that we have been working on for quite
01:50:18 And I thought it was something that was being embraced.
01:50:23 By our constituents and council and the folks we deal with.
01:50:35 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Excuse me, and you are doing the
01:50:37 presentation, not me.
01:50:38 I don't answer any newspaper.
01:50:43 I'll tell you why I don't answer them.
01:50:47 By the ink, by the barrel, by the paper by the ton.
01:50:51 So you better do very good in the next ten minutes.
01:50:54 >>BOB McDONAUGH: Yes, sir.
01:50:57 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'm just telling you from my personal
01:51:00 You do what you want.
01:51:01 >>BOB McDONAUGH: But again, I again show that this is a
01:51:07 project that has been well thought out, and with the add
01:51:13 vocation of several industry experts, there's 12 acres, a 24
01:51:22 month completion goal, relocation of the wastewater yard,
01:51:29 and the North Boulevard homes.
01:51:32 We have a strong partnership with the Tampa Housing
01:51:34 Authority, and I apologize, because here this morning to
01:51:41 address the issue.
01:51:43 Things the Tampa Housing Authority is hoping to do in a
01:51:45 couple of years is go after a choice neighborhood grant, so
01:51:48 the redevelopment of North Boulevard homes.
01:51:50 And part of that is showing a strong relationship with the
01:52:01 Tampa Bay partners.
01:52:02 They look at leveraging and investment by partners.
01:52:06 Relocating a yard, which is an incompatible use with a
01:52:11 choice neighborhood, is one of the ways that we can show the
01:52:14 support to aid them in going after choice neighborhood
01:52:26 Again, a lot of recommendations.
01:52:29 To control and collaborate on common vision and shared
01:52:33 Again this is the redevelopment of the west bank, the
01:52:35 redevelopment of the North Boulevard homes.
01:52:37 A plan that we have been working with for quite awhile.
01:52:44 A homework assignment we have been working on for a couple
01:52:46 of years now, starting the redevelopment relocation plan
01:52:50 approach on North Boulevard homes and the city wastewater
01:52:53 I would like Cathy Coyle to come up just for a minute to
01:52:57 talk about the planning process as a framework that goes
01:53:00 around this.
01:53:02 Again, just to use he a couple of financial examples, again,
01:53:08 because we talked about money a lot because we don't have a
01:53:11 lot of it.
01:53:12 And it's a precious resource at this current time.
01:53:15 There's approximately 120 acres in that area which generates
01:53:18 less than $120,000, or $150 in property taxes.
01:53:23 Our 12 acres as an example.
01:53:26 The apartments recently developed on Cass Street, that's on
01:53:32 five acres that generates over $500,000 a year in property
01:53:35 taxes generating jobs for construction, generating tax
01:53:39 dollars that can be used to improve this neighborhood.
01:53:49 >>CATHERINE COYLE: Good afternoon, council.
01:53:50 Mr. McDonaugh did a decent job of basically highlighting
01:53:56 everything so I will be really brief.
01:53:58 He mentioned ULI.
01:54:00 We actually did start that project ULI in early fall 20111.
01:54:05 This is the original base map of the area that we took as
01:54:10 part of that national program we were in for public
01:54:14 And all the North Boulevard homes area and the river.
01:54:23 And as Mr. McDonaugh mentioned, there's approximately 120 to
01:54:29 140 acres depending on exactly where the boundary is.
01:54:32 The vast majority is publicly owned.
01:54:34 Various little revenue comes from this taxwise, but this led
01:54:40 into the discussion from the fellowship whether or not we
01:54:44 could partner or have a partner with these other agencies,
01:54:48 being the school board, two other major owners in the area.
01:54:52 And from this, we moved to InVision and we moved into the
01:54:58 west river plan that the Housing Authority produced.
01:55:01 It's a long-term project.
01:55:03 It's not something that was just thought of yesterday nor
01:55:05 something that was going to happen tomorrow.
01:55:07 But it does take a very long time in order to move these
01:55:10 piece as round.
01:55:11 And in the very beginning of this, it has been identified
01:55:14 over and over again, as Mr. McDonaugh said, from all the
01:55:18 different panels that we have had, the different groups that
01:55:21 we have worked with, from a national perspective, is looking
01:55:24 at the fact that we have got a full-acre parcel literally
01:55:28 one lot to have river immediately outside of downtown, and
01:55:32 it's just a storage yard for equipment and trucks.
01:55:36 And as far as whether or not it stays part of this
01:55:39 neighborhood, this property, integrated with some other type
01:55:43 of housing, whether it's public housing, whatever it is,
01:55:47 essentially it's a -- modally be outside of downtown, and
01:55:56 validating some of these facilities we have, could in the
01:55:59 end be a cost benefit to all of us.
01:56:03 This is the property itself.
01:56:07 It's actually on the agenda today, these two parcels.
01:56:10 Just to highlight, actually our city facilities for these
01:56:15 other uses that we have.
01:56:17 The yard and other facilities as well as everything in
01:56:22 yellow is actually industrial and heavy commercial uses, and
01:56:27 trying to get to a place where we are trying to have some of
01:56:30 these adjacent uses, as Mr. McDonaugh mentioned as well, and
01:56:35 we are going to basically extend this to the edge.
01:56:39 So we are just trying to move it to the place where it makes
01:56:43 the most sense and get it out of an area where it is a
01:56:47 compatible use.
01:56:48 And as I mentioned it is a long-term project and will take a
01:56:52 very long time to move these pieces around.
01:56:59 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Mr. Reddick.
01:57:00 >>FRANK REDDICK: You are sounding like a good salesperson
01:57:03 Let me ask you a question.
01:57:07 If this passes, and if this council votes to set this item
01:57:15 here and move this property, 40th Street or whatever you are
01:57:20 speaking of, for the developer, that might have an interest
01:57:24 in, I just need to know for the public's sake, if there was
01:57:35 something on that property, do they have to come through the
01:57:40 process of zoning and put the site plan and everything
01:57:44 Will this be something that would have to be approved by
01:57:47 council or something administratively?
01:57:51 >>CATHERINE COYLE: The future land use designation on that
01:57:53 parcel is public/semi-public.
01:57:55 What this article does go to a private developer to be
01:57:59 developed for a private interest.
01:58:00 The land use amendment will come before you in a public
01:58:03 hearing setting to change to something else.
01:58:04 And the zoning is only 24 units per acre, RM-24.
01:58:10 That's not the highest and best use of the surrounding
01:58:14 More likely the zoning case as well there.
01:58:16 Would be a series of public hearings just to get the land
01:58:18 use going in the right place.
01:58:20 >>FRANK REDDICK: Thank you.
01:58:21 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Other council members at this time?
01:58:23 >>BOB McDONAUGH: Any other questions?
01:58:35 I know there have been questions about the price of the
01:58:38 We felt that it perhaps might be a smart move to acquire
01:58:43 some of that land now before it's priced out.
01:58:47 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Mr. Suarez?
01:58:48 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Yes, a quick question about -- we know that
01:58:53 we are trying to get some of the HUD grants to come in here.
01:58:58 This piece is not it contingent on -- I mean, it's not part
01:59:02 of that contingency for the grant itself, correct?
01:59:05 >>BOB McDONAUGH: No.
01:59:09 How it would work is that the HUD looks at local partners
01:59:12 and says, A, it's a cooperation.
01:59:15 B is a plan.
01:59:16 Is there cooperation between partners?
01:59:18 Is there investment by other people besides the central
01:59:22 And so what this is showing that we are engaged in the
01:59:26 planning with the Tampa Housing Authority.
01:59:28 We are investing money to take a use.
01:59:32 That would not be appropriate for choice neighborhoods in
01:59:34 taking it somewhere else.
01:59:35 So the Tampa Housing Authority would be looking specifically
01:59:42 North Boulevard homes and the rebuilding of those, and
01:59:44 that's whereby the HUD money would go.
01:59:47 The HUD money as an example right now with the Encore
01:59:49 project, part of that money, a training facility is being
01:59:53 built, public infrastructure on Scott street to make it more
01:59:57 pedestrian and bike friendly.
01:59:59 So a choice neighborhood grant does not just look at that
02:00:03 exact space like a housing authority owns.
02:00:07 They look at the entire neighborhood and the fabric and
02:00:10 what's being done to make it a holistic approach to making
02:00:13 it a better place to live.
02:00:14 >> And what you are saying then, even though it's not
02:00:17 necessarily part of the grant process itself, it just makes
02:00:19 more sense if you are going to -- if the Housing Authority
02:00:22 is going to redevelop that portion, we might as well also be
02:00:27 part of that, because it helps to provide all kind of
02:00:31 economic opportunities for the land that's there.
02:00:33 >> Well, it actually enhances the Tampa Housing Authority's
02:00:37 opportunity of getting a choice neighborhood grant.
02:00:39 They get employed on cooperation and partnerships, and our
02:00:44 partnership and our willingness to move an incompatible use
02:00:50 out of adjacent property to the development than makes them
02:00:53 a more attractive recipient of a choice neighborhood grant.
02:00:57 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you, chair.
02:01:00 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Mr. Cohen?
02:01:01 >>HARRY COHEN: Thank you.
02:01:07 I -- and I think all of us up here -- I don't want to speak
02:01:10 for everyone else -- certainly understand why taking the
02:01:15 truck storage area off of the river makes sense.
02:01:21 You will remember about two years ago when we were going
02:01:25 through the approvals for the ulele restaurants there were
02:01:31 discussions about parking along the river, and we talked at
02:01:33 the time, part of the reason we want to get trucks and
02:01:36 vehicles off the river is because of the toxins into the
02:01:44 So a couple questions related to that.
02:01:47 The first is, do we know that this site is not contaminated
02:01:53 and that the doesn't have any environmental issues that
02:01:56 would prevent it from being redeveloped?
02:02:03 >>BOB McDONAUGH: The assumption is that there will be some
02:02:05 clean-up required of the property.
02:02:07 There had been gasoline stored there.
02:02:11 There had been vehicles serviced there, oil changes and
02:02:14 things like that.
02:02:15 The reuse of an industrial property, we go to the
02:02:17 brownsfield, and we are doing that with some of our property
02:02:22 Ulele is an example of that, to service vehicles and had
02:02:27 underground storage tanks.
02:02:28 So what has happened then is using brownfield dollars, we
02:02:31 have cleaned it up and brought it to a higher and better
02:02:34 >> And that's what we would have to do?
02:02:38 >>BOB McDONAUGH: That is my assumption.
02:02:40 >>HARRY COHEN: And then another thing that I wanted to ask
02:02:43 about, this involves a series of operational shifts in
02:02:49 some -- in our enterprise departments they are going to be
02:02:55 consolidating new places as a result of the change.
02:03:00 And one of the things that's been sort of frustrating is we
02:03:04 just really learned about than this very recently.
02:03:07 And I wonder if there was anyone that could walk us there
02:03:10 through some of the thinking behind the consolidations, just
02:03:14 so we could understand what, you know, what we are going to
02:03:20 gain by putting these things together in these.
02:03:23 >>BOB McDONAUGH: Oh, absolutely, because it is done by
02:03:26 adjacent things in bringing like uses to like uses.
02:03:30 >> Mike hood, administrator of public utilities.
02:03:44 We probably have been at this now for about 13 months, I'd
02:03:48 We had new contracts administration.
02:03:52 We asked for a feasibility study.
02:03:55 Feasibility study was done.
02:03:56 There were several options that were evaluated.
02:03:59 By our consultant to take a look at how we might best
02:04:03 utilize our resources for co-locating our facilities.
02:04:09 And what it came down to us on was the fact that we took
02:04:13 properties that we already owned in order to conserve
02:04:15 dollars, so we didn't have to buy property.
02:04:18 And, therefore, we focused on the parcels that we already
02:04:24 owned at 40th and 26th street for a couple reasons.
02:04:28 The public works operation is there.
02:04:32 Contract administration is there.
02:04:34 We owned a parcel.
02:04:36 It made sense to us to ask the mayor for his consideration
02:04:41 and ask you for consideration to acquire two additional
02:04:45 So we would have enough room to accommodate our water
02:04:48 department operations that's currently out at Rome Avenue,
02:04:53 so we could build for the future and not have to revisit
02:04:57 relocating them for 20 to 30 years.
02:05:00 So that's why we think it makes sense for the water
02:05:03 department to go at 40th and 26th street.
02:05:09 We have got some decisions with respect to where the
02:05:12 wastewater leadership team and the capital improvements
02:05:15 They were on the sixth floor in City Hall.
02:05:17 The mayor had some ideas about how we might best serve our
02:05:21 customers in the city and take a look, and maybe some other
02:05:26 departments moving into the sixth floor and some others.
02:05:28 Some other floors.
02:05:30 So we decided to move the wastewater department.
02:05:34 My choices were I want to take the water department, the
02:05:37 water director with me, where we have the wastewater pump,
02:05:43 the director go out to the Howard Curren plant.
02:05:46 I came down on the side it was best to have the water
02:05:48 department director in our building because of dealing with
02:05:53 public water supply issues during times of emergency and
02:05:55 things like that.
02:05:56 Wastewater department will now have the benefit of having
02:05:59 the collection system operation, which is significant out at
02:06:03 Rome Avenue and be able to be at the Howard Curren plant, so
02:06:07 those facilities, those trucks, those people will all be
02:06:11 The leadership team, or Anthony Casper and his capital
02:06:16 improvements group, are out at the Howard Curren plant
02:06:18 today, and of course the plant operators are already out at
02:06:22 the Howard Curren plant.
02:06:24 So it gives us an opportunity to really improve our
02:06:27 operations and our efficiencies for two very key
02:06:32 So we didn't go about this -- we took considerable time,
02:06:35 about 13 months to go through this, and evaluate our
02:06:39 options, and we felt comfortable in moving forward.
02:06:46 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Mr. Reddick?
02:06:47 >>FRANK REDDICK: Thank you, chair.
02:06:49 One of the questions for you and one for McDonaugh.
02:06:58 My first question, Mr. Hood, have you met with
02:07:00 representatives of the neighborhood that is adjoining to
02:07:04 where the public works is located?
02:07:05 >> No, sir, I have not read red anyone from the city?
02:07:10 >> I don't know if anybody from the economic development
02:07:12 group has done so.
02:07:14 It seems there were some public meetings to discuss the
02:07:17 redevelopment plan, but we have not discussed the prospects
02:07:20 of moving with the citizens, I guess probably because we
02:07:26 felt the citizens would like the enact we would be vacating
02:07:28 the premises.
02:07:29 >>FRANK REDDICK: The reason I asked that is because you
02:07:32 have public works facility at 40th and 26th.
02:07:34 And behind the building is a railroad track.
02:07:40 >> Oh, I'm sorry, you are talking about 40th and
02:07:43 My apologies.
02:07:44 My apologies.
02:07:46 I misunderstood.
02:07:48 We have not met with the residents.
02:07:53 That's my understanding.
02:07:55 We had a good relationship with the neighbors that were
02:08:00 And so we didn't think that we would be adding -- we
02:08:05 certainly didn't think that adding the operations would make
02:08:07 things more attentive because we are already there.
02:08:10 We have the feeling, public operations is there every day,
02:08:16 so you have truck traffic and different types of equipment
02:08:19 maneuvering in and out.
02:08:20 And I think we have been able to coexist rather safely.
02:08:24 >>FRANK REDDICK: That's the reason I asked the question.
02:08:26 Because you have a lot of public works trucks in and out the
02:08:30 And now it's going to be additional trucks coming in and out
02:08:36 that puts it in the neighborhood.
02:08:37 And be I'm just concerned about all of this heavy traffic,
02:08:45 with heavy equipment moving in and out of residential
02:08:52 And is that fair to the neighborhood to the public works?
02:08:59 And then if you put this in place, which is just a block
02:09:05 over, how will it affect the neighborhood?
02:09:08 That's my concern.
02:09:08 >>BOB McDONAUGH: If I could point out the current use of
02:09:12 the property is a hydraulic truck right now.
02:09:19 >>FRANK REDDICK: But you don't have trucks coming in and
02:09:23 >>BOB McDONAUGH: They do.
02:09:24 >>FRANK REDDICK: This would not the same, just having the
02:09:31 people over there.
02:09:36 I'm there every day.
02:09:38 I pass that every day, every morning.
02:09:42 And I don't live too far from it.
02:09:45 So I know it's there, and I see the volume of traffic, and
02:09:51 it just seems to be on average -- how many trucks? If you
02:09:58 move the facility over there, how many trucks would be
02:10:00 stationed there?
02:10:01 >> Mr. Reddick, sir, just to point out, all of that yellow
02:10:18 along 40th Street is zoned heavy commercial right now.
02:10:24 An appropriate use for that property.
02:10:30 >>BRAD BAIRD: Water department director.
02:10:32 Total number of vehicles, probably in the range of 150, just
02:10:36 for water department.
02:10:37 Of those, probably a quarter of those are trucks, heavy
02:10:42 We have a lot of meter reading vehicles, small trucks, you
02:10:46 know, things like that.
02:10:47 But the large trucks, maybe 40.
02:10:50 Something like that.
02:10:51 >>FRANK REDDICK: That's my concern.
02:10:54 In addition to already with public works, and that's my
02:10:59 Bob, let me ask you this last question.
02:11:02 Is there any truth to the rumor that be you relocate this
02:11:08 plant, and there's been discussions with Tampa Housing
02:11:10 Authority to purchase the land?
02:11:15 >>BOB McDONAUGH: No, sir.
02:11:16 Absolutely not.
02:11:18 Not the first conversation with Tampa Housing Authority
02:11:20 about buying this land.
02:11:21 >>FRANK REDDICK: All right, sir.
02:11:22 >>BOB McDONAUGH: Tampa Housing Authority has their plate
02:11:28 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Anyone else who has not spoken?
02:11:30 Let me say this.
02:11:30 As I look at 14, I am looking at 14, 15, 16, all meshed
02:11:36 So it would be unfair to take one and not the other.
02:11:40 And I believe I asked some of these same questions just
02:11:44 When you have change, you have very many opportunities.
02:11:50 And I say this is an opportune time to look at everything
02:11:54 around here, and not far from there.
02:11:57 Certainly, the land is much more expensive in the city
02:12:00 because there's much less land in the city to be available
02:12:03 to purchase something of this size than if it were in the
02:12:06 The county has much more land available.
02:12:10 And what I was thinking is that you certainly have an
02:12:15 opportunity here to look at the relocation of central
02:12:18 maintenance and solid waste, to some parts that maybe aren't
02:12:23 even here where you are talking about 40th.
02:12:26 You know, these things are there, because at some point in
02:12:29 time, it didn't go past -- the city didn't go past Dale
02:12:34 Mabry for many years, and therefore you have a central
02:12:38 maintenance operation, and all that change over there.
02:12:41 Mostly residential and things of that nature, single-family,
02:12:45 and all these being complexes and condos and so forth.
02:12:51 When you look at the eyesore that neighborhood has to live
02:12:54 in, two neighborhood neighborhoods that abut it, it would be
02:12:57 an opportune time to look at that, and then my question is,
02:13:03 on this project here, what are we going to do with the land
02:13:06 on Rome?
02:13:09 You own it?
02:13:10 What's the value of it?
02:13:11 And are we going to sell it?
02:13:12 What are we going to do with it?
02:13:14 >>BOB McDONAUGH: My sums, sir, again, this is part of that
02:13:20 west end plan that we have worked on with the Tampa Housing
02:13:22 Authority, the school board and Hillsborough County.
02:13:26 The plan is to have redevelopment of North Boulevard homes,
02:13:34 the relocation of some of the Hillsborough County social
02:13:38 services facilities, building new ones, and integrating it
02:13:43 into the housing, having different price points for housing,
02:13:47 and the assumption is, some of the restoration of the street
02:13:54 And our property, the assumption would be because of its
02:13:58 location, its height, and view corridors, that sometime
02:14:03 would be redeveloped into a medium density, whether that's
02:14:10 condominiums, apartment, or combination of both with some
02:14:12 service retail, my expectation.
02:14:16 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Let me change the question more directly.
02:14:19 If we are going to spend money to move, which we are, and
02:14:22 then we have an asset, which is the land that we are
02:14:25 vacating, the operation from the land stays, changes to what
02:14:32 we buy, what is the value versus the charges that we have to
02:14:34 pay for?
02:14:35 Are we selling?
02:14:36 Are we buying?
02:14:36 Are we giving it away?
02:14:38 >>BOB McDONAUGH: No, the sums would be that we would sell
02:14:41 the land.
02:14:42 Now, the value is going to be based a little bit about how
02:14:44 far in the future it is we sell the land, and how quickly
02:14:47 the Housing Authority redevelops North Boulevard homes.
02:14:51 I would not sell a property today.
02:14:54 But the example that I used, it's a new density development
02:15:01 on Cass Street that Ken Moore developed several years ago,
02:15:04 about it 249 units on five acres of land, generates about
02:15:08 $550,000 a year property taxes.
02:15:10 We have over 12 acres.
02:15:12 My assumption is that we have a very good opportunity of
02:15:15 generating about a million dollars a year in property taxes
02:15:17 on that.
02:15:20 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I understand what the property tax is.
02:15:24 That property on Rome and Cass, they got five, we got 12.
02:15:29 What is the sale of that per acre?
02:15:32 That's what I'm saying.
02:15:33 In other words, I like to match out, if I can, if I spend a
02:15:36 million here, maybe get a million, two million.
02:15:38 But the problem is that once we look, and we see this here,
02:15:43 if you are going to buy, the land goes up.
02:15:45 When you sell they want to buy because they know you want to
02:15:50 get out of where you are at.
02:15:52 >>BOB McDONAUGH: I believe at the time of the sale, again,
02:15:56 it was at the height of the market.
02:15:58 It was pretty close to $20 a square foot.
02:16:01 $900,000 an acre which would mean about 9.5, $10 million.
02:16:11 >>: So I can hold you for your word, on your assumption of
02:16:15 your word anyway.
02:16:16 >> Exactly.
02:16:17 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: If you don't sell it I'm coming looking
02:16:19 for you for a million bucks.
02:16:21 >> You can look for me.
02:16:22 You can find me.
02:16:23 I'm not quite sure I would be able to make up the
02:16:26 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I just thought I would let you know.
02:16:27 >>BOB McDONAUGH: Yes, sir.
02:16:31 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: The conversation never came to the point
02:16:33 on moving central maintenance and solid waste together.
02:16:39 And we are looking at the opportunities like you stated
02:16:43 earlier you want to move so you can have better visibility,
02:16:46 better location and operation between these departments.
02:16:49 Certainly if you put the other two departments there you
02:16:51 will have bigger operation and less cost.
02:16:53 >> We have not done that yet, no, sir.
02:16:56 But again, because this is coincidental with the hope of
02:17:01 redeveloping North Boulevard homes and their choice
02:17:04 neighborhood group, so it's an opportunity to leverage our
02:17:08 dollars with federal dollars, so we build a neighborhood.
02:17:13 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Mrs. Montelione?
02:17:14 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Thank you.
02:17:17 Mr. McDonaugh, similar to the question asked earlier about
02:17:20 the zoning of the property to Mrs. Coyle, the property on
02:17:22 40th Street at the corner there, will that have to -- Mrs.
02:17:28 Coyle, will that have to come before us?
02:17:31 No that's why I showed you this map.
02:17:35 This is a use pattern.
02:17:37 All of this property actually is light industrial and heavy
02:17:40 industrial, and some commercial intensive zoning.
02:17:43 This is the way management -- this is UPS freight.
02:17:50 This is Carolina freight.
02:17:50 This is all industrial uses along 40th.
02:17:53 It's a major corridor.
02:17:54 >>LISA MONTELIONE: So the property is covered in that
02:17:57 bright orange?
02:17:59 >> That was just to signify --
02:18:02 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Right.
02:18:03 But if there wasn't the overlay to show us where the
02:18:06 property is, it would be -- as the property that's not
02:18:12 covered which we are not purchasing.
02:18:14 That would also be yellow?
02:18:17 >>CATHERINE COYLE: Yes.
02:18:18 >>LISA MONTELIONE: When the property right now is vacant
02:18:25 except for the few buildings that we see in the aerial.
02:18:30 The one we are buying.
02:18:33 >>CATHERINE COYLE: Oh, yes.
02:18:34 >>LISA MONTELIONE: And so in holding ourselves to the same
02:18:47 standard that we hold the development community, will there
02:18:53 be, in difference to Mr. Reddick's questions about the
02:18:57 neighborhood, the traffic, and the increased number of trips
02:19:00 coming in and out, from the transportation language, will we
02:19:05 ourselves be doing a transportation review of this site when
02:19:10 we build on it and develop it for the use?
02:19:17 >>CATHERINE COYLE: If it triggers one.
02:19:19 That's a very detailed question.
02:19:21 I am evaluating it.
02:19:24 >>LISA MONTELIONE: And that's kind of what I was getting
02:19:31 to, is I want to make sure that we hold ourselves to the
02:19:35 same standards when we develop a property --
02:19:40 >>CATHERINE COYLE: And they take out trees, they have to
02:19:43 replace them and place additional dollars into the tree
02:19:47 trust fund.
02:19:47 >>LISA MONTELIONE: The transportation plan, that is the
02:19:50 subject of a very, you know, detailed conversation a week or
02:19:54 so ago, a week was last Thursday, wasn't it?
02:19:59 Than I know, they kind of fly by.
02:20:01 So looking at the transportation plan and how the trucks
02:20:06 move in and out of the site, and ingress and egress and that
02:20:10 sort of thing, I want to make sure that we are going to look
02:20:13 at that very carefully the same way we would scrutinize
02:20:17 anybody else.
02:20:17 >> They have to follow the same set of rules, yes.
02:20:20 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Thank you.
02:20:22 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Any other questions by council?
02:20:24 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Are you asking for somebody to move the
02:20:35 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Well, I don't know.
02:20:39 Have you touched on 14, 15, 16, 17?
02:20:42 For the record, to be clerks I don't want to pass something
02:20:45 here that we haven't discussed or at least mentioned.
02:20:47 >>BOB McDONAUGH: Yes, sir.
02:20:49 Again, all of the interested parties, people that can give
02:20:52 you the answers on any questions you might have on 14, 15,
02:20:55 16, 17, are here.
02:20:56 We are certainly willing to be address any questions that
02:20:58 council has at this time.
02:20:59 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I guess I have one more question.
02:21:04 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Go on, Mrs. Montelione.
02:21:05 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Well, I had our briefing with staff on
02:21:16 these items, also asking about the funding we are using.
02:21:18 And maybe this would be for Mrs. Little.
02:21:22 The fund that we are using to purchase the property, the
02:21:27 site on 40th Street and the additional parcel, and the money
02:21:33 that we are using to construct the facility that will be
02:21:37 needed on 40th Street, those fund are coming from where?
02:21:41 And we talked about it during our briefing.
02:21:43 But just for the public's edification --
02:21:49 >>SONYA LITTLE: Yes, ma'am.
02:21:50 The fund that are being used for funding is 100% from the
02:21:54 water, wastewater systems.
02:21:59 The water projects will be funded.
02:22:02 So available funding.
02:22:05 And as my colleagues have indicated, has been a topic of
02:22:10 discussion, for well over a year, 13 months or so, and our
02:22:15 planning stages through the '14 budget, even not having
02:22:19 sufficient information to determine how much these parcels
02:22:21 will cost, and to design and to build.
02:22:25 We anticipated that at some point we would have to actually
02:22:30 So for the five year capital plan for the water system, for
02:22:35 the wastewater system, did anticipate and have identified
02:22:39 that they are able to start 100% of this project.
02:22:47 >>LISA MONTELIONE: From the water and wastewater?
02:22:51 >>SONYA LITTLE: Yes, 100%.
02:22:53 >>LISA MONTELIONE: So that begs the question that Mr.
02:22:55 Hearne and I talked about yesterday, what projects do we
02:23:00 have facilitywise?
02:23:01 So transmission lines for water or wastewater or, you know,
02:23:05 any of the other allowable uses for those funds?
02:23:09 Because we are restricted.
02:23:11 We can't use that money just for anything we want.
02:23:15 We are restricted in what we can spend that money on.
02:23:18 So what projects do we have waiting for funding in either
02:23:25 water or wastewater that we would not be able to do because
02:23:29 we are spending the money on this project?
02:23:31 >>SONYA LITTLE: There are not any projects be --
02:23:38 >>LISA MONTELIONE: What unfunded projects do we have?
02:23:42 >>SONYA LITTLE: We have a five year plan inform water and
02:23:44 wastewater that system revenues will cover the capital
02:23:50 improvement plan for five years, the projects for five
02:23:54 years, as well as their operating expenses, as well as cover
02:23:58 the costs of the relocation.
02:24:00 >> So I just want to make sure.
02:24:05 Like I said, I got all these answers yesterday.
02:24:07 I'm just asking questions so we put it on the record for the
02:24:10 public, that we are not foregoing any structural
02:24:14 improvements or infrastructure for water and wastewater by
02:24:23 spending this money and using this consolidation of offices
02:24:26 and buying the property to relocate?
02:24:28 >> Yes, ma'am.
02:24:28 And if I can also add, in addition to that, even under this
02:24:33 plan, we are still able to maintain the required capital and
02:24:37 operating reserves for both systems.
02:24:39 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I'm sure you just read Mr. Suarez' and
02:24:44 Mr. Cohen's mind on the last answer.
02:24:46 And that's all I have, sir.
02:24:48 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Mr. Cohen?
02:24:49 >>HARRY COHEN: Just to follow up on that point so it
02:24:52 couldn't be more clear, the moneys in those enterprise funds
02:24:56 be cannot be used to fund general fund applications in the
02:25:01 city, or general fund projects in the city?
02:25:04 Things that when people say, well, why do you have money for
02:25:09 this and not for the park, in my neighborhood, for example,
02:25:13 the reason is because these fund cannot be used for those
02:25:16 types of expenses?
02:25:18 >>SONYA LITTLE: Right.
02:25:19 As an enterprise fund it's a self-supporting system.
02:25:29 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: The head of the water and wastewater
02:25:31 department, will you come up a second?
02:25:33 Based on this model that Mrs. Montelione just said.
02:25:35 And I understand what a T chief financial officer said but
02:25:39 you gentlemen run those departments and you know more about
02:25:41 it than anyone else.
02:25:44 Mr. Baird, in your estimate, how many be lines, how many
02:25:49 miles of replacement water lines do you do in a year?
02:25:54 >>BRAD BAIRD: Again, Brad Baird, director of water
02:25:57 We were replacing about $10 million worth of infrastructure
02:26:07 a year, and actually even with this project, we have bumped
02:26:12 that up by another 10 million, and you are able to build
02:26:16 about one mile of pipe per million dollars.
02:26:20 So it's the same numbers for miles.
02:26:25 Pipeline replacement is expensive.
02:26:29 We were able to do that because our reserves are very
02:26:33 We have been very frugal and had cost reductions for seven
02:26:37 years in a row.
02:26:39 And through all those reductions and the revenues have come
02:26:46 back since the 2009 drought W.all of that coming together we
02:26:49 are financially very healthy and able to do this project and
02:26:52 bolster infrastructure replacement.
02:26:54 >> Thank you.
02:27:00 When you went back to 2009, you were doing more.
02:27:04 >> During the five-year program, we replaced about 100
02:27:14 million dollars worth.
02:27:18 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: The levels do fluctuate based on the
02:27:20 revenues that you have come in?
02:27:23 >> I'm sorry?
02:27:25 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Your revenues, your pipeline ability do
02:27:28 fluctuate on how many miles you do based on the revenues
02:27:30 that you have combing in?
02:27:33 >> That's correct.
02:27:34 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: So if we did this project -- and I'm not
02:27:36 against the project.
02:27:37 Not yet, anyway.
02:27:39 If you spent a million of this, you are going to do one mile
02:27:44 less a year?
02:27:44 >> No, because of our reserve being healthy, that is not the
02:27:49 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: So how much deeper do you go into your
02:27:51 reserves to become unhealthy?
02:27:55 >>BRAD BAIRD: At the end of the five years, it shows, and
02:28:02 you can correct me if I am wrong, we are still at a very
02:28:05 healthy reserve, around $62 million.
02:28:09 Is that correct?
02:28:14 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I know we went to ten miles replacement
02:28:16 to 50 miles.
02:28:17 I didn't really know the dollar amount.
02:28:20 And then I know we are back now to 10.
02:28:23 So you are saying even with this you are going back to 20?
02:28:26 Not to 50 but to 20.
02:28:28 >> Correct.
02:28:29 We were never doing 50 miles -- we were doing 20 miles a
02:28:32 year for those five years.
02:28:34 But if you recall, we were slated to do 40 miles.
02:28:39 40 to even more than that per year.
02:28:41 But because of the drop in revenue, we had to cut that
02:28:43 program in half.
02:28:46 But we are back in better shape again.
02:28:52 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: How come everybody was in better shape
02:28:55 when everybody started?
02:28:56 Thank you, sir.
02:28:57 >> Because of cost reductions.
02:29:00 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Same questions for you, sir.
02:29:01 >> Yes, sir.
02:29:04 Anthony Casper, wastewater department.
02:29:07 Our capital improvement program has actually increased to
02:29:10 about $20 million a year.
02:29:12 Rather than replacing pipelines, we are in the business of
02:29:18 renewal so most of our work is done.
02:29:22 We can get a little more bang for the buck out of that.
02:29:25 So we might get two miles per million.
02:29:28 But we are also -- spent a lot of money on a pump station
02:29:34 rehabilitation project and the treatment plant process
02:29:37 >> Well, hundred thing about it, I like you twice as much as
02:29:41 I like I am.
02:29:43 [ Laughter ]
02:29:49 Any other questions?
02:29:50 Thank you very much.
02:29:51 I still would like to be see a plan -- no one has a plan for
02:29:54 the operation of the central maintenance, and solid waste
02:30:00 And in the center of two neighborhoods that really hadn't
02:30:07 seen that inform a long time.
02:30:09 Dale Mabry in essence was almost the end of the city.
02:30:12 >>BOB McDONAUGH: Again you are correct.
02:30:15 Than Courier City and Lincoln Gardens would be a better
02:30:23 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: The long-term would be 24 hours in my
02:30:26 I make everything short.
02:30:27 >>BOB McDONAUGH: We need to get our pad and pencil out and
02:30:31 start figuring.
02:30:32 It is a relatively expensive operation just because of the
02:30:36 size of it.
02:30:37 Much larger than Tampa ---
02:30:39 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: You are going to look at it and give the
02:30:42 >> Yes, sir.
02:30:43 I am going to draw the plan this afternoon and be back to
02:30:46 Again, as you heard those other gentlemen talking about, a
02:30:50 lot of ambitions have been tempered by dollars.
02:30:57 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I understand.
02:30:58 But are you going to come up with something and say the
02:31:00 future, here is what we like?
02:31:02 We like to move it.
02:31:03 And maybe at this location is going to be up to its maximum
02:31:07 capacity, I would imagine, once these apartments go there.
02:31:13 I know Mr. Casper's operation is going to be moved to the
02:31:16 Howard Curren plant which has an ample supply of land.
02:31:20 I talked to him briefly today and he says he doesn't have
02:31:23 enough land, thank there's not enough land to move the other
02:31:28 department there is because sooner or later, not in the next
02:31:31 ten years or so, but there's still going to have to be some
02:31:34 incorrect water use and that plant will have to be expanded
02:31:37 to two more treatment plants and operation within that
02:31:44 >>BOB McDONAUGH: Yes, sir.
02:31:45 Getting back to --
02:31:46 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: You haven't said anything yet.
02:31:47 >>BOB McDONAUGH: No, but something that occurred to me
02:31:51 getting back to Mr. Reddick's point is one of the design
02:31:54 goals that we will have is to make sure as much of the
02:31:57 traffic utilizes 40th Street as possible to cut down on the
02:32:00 amount of cut-through traffic that would negatively impact
02:32:03 the neighborhood.
02:32:03 And that's something that we'll do in the design process.
02:32:07 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: So the plan is you will bring something
02:32:09 back within this current year about possibilities about
02:32:12 moving central maintenance and solid waste.
02:32:15 >>BOB McDONAUGH: Yes.
02:32:16 Because I believe that solid waste has been considering this
02:32:19 for some time.
02:32:20 So yes.
02:32:20 >> And it looks like a jail really.
02:32:24 >>BOB McDONAUGH: It's not attractive.
02:32:27 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: And in fact be when I was a little boy I
02:32:29 was almost certain there was a jail there.
02:32:31 But I was on the outside.
02:32:34 [ Laughter ]
02:32:36 No, I said I was on the outside.
02:32:39 Yes, ma'am.
02:32:39 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I'm wondering if -- not to ask you to
02:32:45 move this along, but to move this along, maybe we can
02:32:48 schedule Mr. McDonaugh to come back with Mr. Baird and
02:32:52 Mr. Casper with a plan that you are asking for, sir, and if
02:32:57 we move it out the end of the year, or January.
02:33:05 >>BOB McDONAUGH: It would not be those two gentlemen.
02:33:08 Sol head of solid waste.
02:33:13 A different group, but yes.
02:33:15 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I am going to pull put it on your
02:33:19 shoulder but you can bring whoever you want.
02:33:22 >> I think the head of the water department.
02:33:25 >>LISA MONTELIONE: My apologies.
02:33:31 So how about we schedule a staff report for or first regular
02:33:35 session in January, which is January 8th at 9:00 a.m.?
02:33:40 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you for making it in January and
02:33:41 not in April.
02:33:42 [ Laughter ]
02:33:43 I thought I would get the public to be see if you were
02:33:48 alive, and you are.
02:33:49 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Paying attention.
02:33:53 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I understand.
02:33:55 I'm not perfectly happy with this, but I have a much better
02:34:01 feeling now than something, we'll have something coming to
02:34:04 us in January, and see what we can do for that neighborhood
02:34:08 that is very well deserving, all the residents there.
02:34:14 14, 15, 16, 17.
02:34:16 I would like to move them one at a time.
02:34:19 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Are taking a vote on our motion?
02:34:24 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: No, I have not.
02:34:25 Second by Mr. Suarez.
02:34:26 Motion by Mrs. Montelione for January 8th at 9 a.m.
02:34:30 staff report.
02:34:31 Second by Mr. Suarez.
02:34:33 And of course doesn't have to be restated.
02:34:36 I think it wags clearly reported in the record what it was
02:34:39 All in favor say aye. Opposed?
02:34:41 The ayes have it unanimously.
02:34:43 Item 14, 15, 16, 17.
02:34:46 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Number 14 set for approval.
02:34:52 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a second by Mr. Suarez.
02:34:55 Further discussion by council members on 14?
02:34:57 All in favor of the motion please indicate by saying aye.
02:35:00 Opposed nay. Motion passed unanimously.
02:35:03 Item 15.
02:35:03 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Move item 15 for approval.
02:35:07 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Motion by Mrs. Montelione.
02:35:08 Seconded by Mr. Cohen.
02:35:10 All in favor of that motion.
02:35:11 Any discussion of that motion?
02:35:13 All in favor of the motion please indicate by saying aye.
02:35:16 Opposed nay.
02:35:18 Motion passed unanimously.
02:35:19 Item 16.
02:35:22 Motion by Mrs. Montelione.
02:35:24 Second by Mr. Suarez.
02:35:26 Further discussion by council members?
02:35:27 All in favor?
02:35:30 Motion passed unanimously.
02:35:33 Number 17.
02:35:34 Motion made by Mrs. Montelione.
02:35:36 Second by Mr. Cohen.
02:35:38 Further discussion by council members?
02:35:40 All in favor?
02:35:42 Motion passed unanimously.
02:35:43 Thank you very much.
02:35:44 See you in January.
02:35:44 >>BOB McDONAUGH: Yes, sir.
02:35:46 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I think we'll see him before January.
02:35:50 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Well, I know. But I have to refresh his
02:35:54 All right.
02:35:55 We go to committee report, continued committee reports from
02:35:59 18 through 94.
02:36:00 We have still got these items here.
02:36:02 Item 18.
02:36:03 >> Elaine Lund, historic preservation staff.
02:36:16 We have a Power Point presentation for you today, please,
02:36:19 regarding the nomination for the Beach Park multiple
02:36:21 properties listing.
02:36:27 A minute for the Power Point.
02:36:40 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: It's being programmed.
02:36:42 >> This item is in front of you today for your
02:36:54 consideration. There we go.
02:36:56 We have Power Point.
02:36:58 This is for your consideration for the addition of the two
02:37:01 properties in the Beach Park multiple properties listing,
02:37:03 local landmark destination.
02:37:06 In 1923, a few developers including Leroy Young purchased
02:37:17 350 acres of orange groves with the intent to develop Beach
02:37:20 Park on the bay as a gated community for west downtown
02:37:26 In addition to having a commercial center, this neighborhood
02:37:29 development housing, both water supply and grand gateway
02:37:37 The plats for Beach Park included man made canals for
02:37:41 waterfront living with winding roads for the grand estates.
02:37:48 And in this picture you can see some of the finer houses
02:37:51 that were built at the time, including the Beach Park
02:37:54 company field offices and the residences of the developer's
02:38:00 An architectural review board has approved all of the
02:38:02 conjunction in the neighborhood, which was required by deed
02:38:05 to be a distinctive Florida style.
02:38:11 And in 2010 we identified several buildings that remained
02:38:15 from the original Beach Park development and invited all of
02:38:18 the owners of those buildings to participate in the Beach
02:38:21 Park multiple properties listing.
02:38:25 A period of significance of 1923 to 1929 was established for
02:38:29 these buildings.
02:38:36 The owners were contacted and all of these properties were
02:38:40 designated in 2010.
02:38:44 Eight properties.
02:38:45 Recently staff invited the remaining owners to be a reply to
02:38:49 be included in the listing and received back two
02:38:51 applications, and those are the ones that are before you for
02:38:54 your consideration today.
02:38:57 4521 a Dell Avenue and 414 South Westshore Boulevard.
02:39:02 4521 was constructed in 1925 in the Mediterranean revival
02:39:08 This two story house with its roof and textured style
02:39:16 interior, relief panels.
02:39:26 The 1921 mission Boulevard, includes the tiled roof, stucco
02:39:35 exterior and the original windows.
02:39:39 These buildings both meet the criteria for local landmark
02:39:43 designations on city code, and they were conducted during
02:39:46 the period of significance, and they meet our designation
02:39:49 criteria for community planning and development for their
02:39:51 contributions to the development of Beach Park, and
02:39:56 architecture as amp example of residential Mediterranean
02:40:02 revival and mission revival style buildings.
02:40:06 These were reviewed by the historic commission in February
02:40:09 of this year.
02:40:11 The historic preservation committee recommended that City
02:40:14 Council approve the addition of these properties to the
02:40:17 local landmark designation of the Beach Park multiple
02:40:21 properties for the city.
02:40:22 Additionally the Planning Commission has found that this
02:40:24 designation request is consistent for the provisions of the
02:40:26 Tampa comprehensive plan.
02:40:28 And I'm available if you have any questions.
02:40:31 Thank you.
02:40:31 >>MIKE SUAREZ: We have a couple of letters from two folks
02:40:44 opposing this particular project on 4521.
02:40:47 It seems like there may be some zoning issues as opposed to
02:40:52 preservation issues.
02:40:54 We need to clarify this so we know what to go do going
02:41:00 forward, Mr. Fernandez.
02:41:03 >>DENNIS FERNANDEZ: Historic preservation manager.
02:41:04 We did receive two letters in opposition to the property's
02:41:08 I visited the site yesterday.
02:41:09 It's under construction currently.
02:41:14 This is 45121 address.
02:41:17 And --
02:41:20 >>MIKE SUAREZ: For people in back, could you put the camera
02:41:23 back on, please?
02:41:26 I need to see the T first one.
02:41:28 There you go.
02:41:29 >> There is the primary structure.
02:41:31 In the rear, this is a construction project.
02:41:34 This project is walls separated from the property structure
02:41:39 which was one of our concerns, and still maintained sort of
02:41:43 that visual connectivity, and structures.
02:41:48 I did research this.
02:41:49 The property is properly permitted.
02:41:54 Granted for construction and in compliance with city code.
02:41:58 So there's not any defect in that way.
02:42:00 And from a preservation standard, the structure is
02:42:03 appropriately sited so we don't have any concerns about that
02:42:06 as well.
02:42:09 >>MIKE SUAREZ: If I could ask a question that's a little
02:42:11 more pointed.
02:42:13 You are saying for purposes of preservation, adding
02:42:16 additional properties onto the lot, as long as it keeps
02:42:20 within certain, what, what are the criteria that you use to
02:42:24 determine it?
02:42:25 Because obviously if you have something that was post modern
02:42:29 when you have got something like this, it's kind of a
02:42:31 bungalow, or the old revivalist look.
02:42:35 And you have got to have a sense that it's the same look,
02:42:40 >> Correct.
02:42:42 Adverse impact to the character of the property by the
02:42:44 addition that's being introduced, and in this case, this
02:42:49 particular property didn't go through a level one
02:42:51 architectural review because it was prayer to the
02:42:54 But if this were going through our architectural review I
02:42:58 wouldn't have concerns because of its placement or style,
02:43:00 it's not negatively impacting it.
02:43:02 Frankly, to add additional square footage, that's not part
02:43:07 of the original structure is preferred, rather than adding
02:43:10 onto the original structure.
02:43:11 >> And you say it beats all zoning requirements, everything
02:43:15 else in terms of their addition?
02:43:17 >> That's correct.
02:43:18 And they are properly permitted as well.
02:43:19 >> What's the effect of this ordinance on the property owner
02:43:25 in terms of their rights of what they can and can't do with
02:43:27 their property?
02:43:30 >>DENNIS FERNANDEZ: Once the ordinance is adopted, any
02:43:32 change in the exterior changes to the structure would have
02:43:35 to be reviewed to the architecture review commission.
02:43:38 If there was a demolition request, that would also be
02:43:40 reviewed to the Architectural Review Commission.
02:43:42 >>MIKE SUAREZ: And the addition that they are building on
02:43:46 now, what effect does it have, if any?
02:43:49 >>DENNIS FERNANDEZ: Would not have an effect because it
02:43:51 prior to the designation.
02:43:53 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Only if they change a certain look and
02:43:57 nature of what it is, correct?
02:44:03 >>DENNIS FERNANDEZ: That's right. If they do subsequently
02:44:04 modify or expand it, then that would have to be reviewed,
02:44:08 and we would have essentially a code in the city's computer
02:44:12 system that identifies historic and then refers back, the
02:44:17 contract or the owner to be appropriate.
02:44:19 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you.
02:44:33 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: 24th is for first reading.
02:44:36 And consideration by the council.
02:44:38 So we go to Mrs. Montelione and see what happens here.
02:44:41 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I'm on a roll, sir.
02:44:44 An ordinance being presented for first reading
02:44:46 consideration, I move an ordinance of the city of Tampa,
02:44:48 Florida amending Beach Park multiple properties designation
02:44:52 to include property located at 414 South Westshore Boulevard
02:44:56 and 4521 west Dale Avenue, Tampa, Florida, as more
02:45:00 particularly described in section 2, as local landmarks,
02:45:03 providing for repeal of all ordinances in conflict,
02:45:07 providing for severability, providing an effective date.
02:45:10 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion by Mrs. Montelione.
02:45:11 I have a second by Mr. Suarez.
02:45:13 Further discussion by council members?
02:45:14 All in favor of the motion?
02:45:16 Motion passed unanimously.
02:45:17 >>THE CLERK: Mr. Chair, the second reading will be on July
02:45:23 17th at 9:30 a.m., and the motion was unanimous with
02:45:29 Capin and Mulhern absent.
02:45:32 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you.
02:45:32 Item number 19.
02:45:34 These are all scrivener's errors.
02:45:36 19, 220 and 21 are scrivener's roars.
02:45:40 You have to read them.
02:45:42 >>HARRY COHEN: I move an ordinance set for first reading
02:45:47 consideration, an ordinance amending ordinance number
02:45:50 2013-75, passed and ordained by the City Council of the City
02:45:54 of Tampa on June 6, 2013, which approved a special use
02:46:00 permit for a restaurant with consumption on premises only,
02:46:04 located at 912-918 West Kennedy Boulevard, correcting a
02:46:09 scrivener's error by correcting the language in section 4 of
02:46:14 the ordinance, providing for severability, providing an
02:46:16 effective date.
02:46:17 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a second by Mr. Suarez.
02:46:18 Further discussion by council members?
02:46:20 All in favor of the motion?
02:46:23 The ayes have it unanimously.
02:46:24 >>THE CLERK: Mr. Chair, second reading will be on July
02:46:28 17th at 9 30 a.m.
02:46:31 The motion passed unanimously with Capin absent and Mulhern
02:46:36 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Mr. Reddick, would you kindly take number
02:46:38 20, please?
02:46:39 >>FRANK REDDICK: Move an ordinance being presented for
02:46:44 first reading consideration, an ordinance number 2013-100
02:46:51 passed and ordained by the City Council of Tampa, City of
02:46:54 Tampa on July 18, 2013, which approved a special use permit
02:46:59 for a bar/lounge with consumption on premises and off
02:47:04 premises package sales located at 3225 South MacDill Avenue,
02:47:08 correcting a scrivener's error by correcting the language in
02:47:11 section 3 of the ordinance providing for severability,
02:47:15 providing an effective date.
02:47:16 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion by Mr. Reddick, a second
02:47:17 by Mr. Suarez.
02:47:18 Discussion by council members?
02:47:21 Mrs. Montelione.
02:47:21 >>LISA MONTELIONE: (off microphone)
02:47:28 Section 2 or section 3?
02:47:32 >>FRANK REDDICK: Section 3.
02:47:34 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Seconded.
02:47:36 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Seconded by Mr. Suarez.
02:47:37 Motion passed unanimously.
02:47:38 >>THE CLERK: The motion passed unanimously with Capin and
02:47:41 Mulhern absent and second reading will be on July 17th
02:47:44 at 9 30 a.m.
02:47:47 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Item number 21.
02:47:48 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I present an ordinance for first reading
02:47:52 consideration, an ordinance amending ordinance number
02:47:54 2013-127 passed and ordained by the City Council of the City
02:47:59 of Tampa on September 12, 2013, which approved a special use
02:48:03 permit for a restaurant with consumption on premises only,
02:48:06 located at 1719 and 1723 West Kennedy Boulevard, correcting
02:48:11 a scrivener's error by correcting the language in section 3
02:48:15 of the ordinance, providing for severability, providing an
02:48:17 effective date.
02:48:19 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Motion by Mr. Suarez, a second by Mrs.
02:48:21 Montelione on item number 21.
02:48:27 All in favor of that motion please indicate by saying aye.
02:48:30 Opposed nay.
02:48:31 Motion passed unanimously.
02:48:32 >>THE CLERK: Motion passed unanimously with Capin and
02:48:35 Mulhern absent.
02:48:37 The second reading will be July 17th at 9:30 a.m.
02:48:41 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Item number 22, Mrs. Montelione, a
02:48:46 substitute ordinance.
02:48:47 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Thank you.
02:48:54 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I'll do it if you want, Mr. Chair.
02:49:00 I present an ordinance for first reading consideration,
02:49:02 ordinance of the city of Tampa, Florida amending ordinance
02:49:04 number 2014-48 which vacated, discontinued, abandoned an
02:49:10 alleyway lying east of Tampa Street, west of Florida Avenue,
02:49:13 south of Amelia Avenue, and north of Frances Avenue, in plan
02:49:18 of Munro and McIntosh's addition, a subdivision in the
02:49:24 City of Tampa, Hillsborough County Florida amending the
02:49:27 title, and exhibits of said ordinance to reflect the
02:49:30 substitute ordinance approved by City Council upon first
02:49:33 reading but inadvertently omitted from the clerk's file upon
02:49:37 second reading and adoption providing an effective date.
02:49:40 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Second by Mr. Cohen.
02:49:42 The ayes have it unanimously.
02:49:43 >>THE CLERK: With Capin and Mulhern absent, the second
02:49:47 reading will be on July 17th at 9:30 a.m.
02:49:51 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: We go to committee report.
02:49:52 Public Safety Committee chair, Mr. Frank Reddick.
02:49:54 >>FRANK REDDICK: Move 23 through -- 23, 24, 26, 27, 28.
02:50:02 >>HARRY COHEN: Second.
02:50:04 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Motion by Mr. Reddick.
02:50:05 I have a second by Mr. Cohen.
02:50:06 Further discussion by council members?
02:50:07 All in favor of the motion please indicate by saying aye.
02:50:10 Opposed nay.
02:50:11 The ayes have it unanimously.
02:50:16 Parks, Recreation, Culture Committee, Lisa Montelione.
02:50:19 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Move 29 through 37.
02:50:21 >>HARRY COHEN: Second.
02:50:24 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: All in favor of the motion please
02:50:26 indicate by saying aye.
02:50:27 Opposed nay.
02:50:27 The ayes have it unanimously.
02:50:34 Public Works Committee chair, Mr. Mike.
02:50:36 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Suarez I move items 38 through 50 without
02:50:42 item number 39.
02:50:47 >> Second.
02:50:48 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Motion by Mr. Suarez.
02:50:49 I have a second by Mr. Cohen.
02:50:52 All in favor of the motion please indicate by saying aye.
02:50:55 Opposed nay.
02:50:57 Passed unanimously.
02:50:58 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Move item number 39 with an agreement that
02:51:05 has been attached to the resolution to be substituted for
02:51:07 that particular --
02:51:10 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Motion by Mr. Suarez, second by Mr.
02:51:12 Reddick on 39.
02:51:13 All in favor?
02:51:15 The ayes have it unanimously.
02:51:17 Finance Committee chair Mr. Harry Cohen.
02:51:19 >>HARRY COHEN: I move items number 51 through 57.
02:51:22 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Second;
02:51:29 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Motion by Mr. Cohen, second by Mr.
02:51:32 Ayes have it unanimously.
02:51:33 Building, zoning committee, preservation committee
02:51:35 Chiaramonte month before I move the items, I have a question
02:51:41 for the clerk.
02:51:44 Because on the addendum to the agenda, we had special notes
02:51:46 to the meeting on agenda item number 0 was being pulled
02:51:50 and placed understood staff reports and unfinished business
02:51:53 with a Power Point presentation being received.
02:51:55 I don't recall hearing number 80 this morning under staff
02:51:58 >>MARTIN SHELBY: That was an error.
02:52:04 There is no Power Point.
02:52:05 Just move number 80 as it was.
02:52:07 >>HARRY COHEN: You need to read number 87.
02:52:14 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Okay, thank you for the clarification,
02:52:17 because I read the title of the Power Point, as 5:01.
02:52:24 It was a little confusing.
02:52:26 I will move item 58 through 76.
02:52:31 79 through 86.
02:52:32 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Second.
02:52:36 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion by Mrs. Montelione, I
02:52:38 have a second by Mr. Suarez.
02:52:41 All in favor of the motion?
02:52:45 Ayes have it unanimously.
02:52:46 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I will move item number 87 by reading
02:52:49 the following announcement for a public meeting.
02:52:53 A public meeting will be held regarding a proposed
02:52:55 brownfield area designation for property owned by TM Tampa
02:52:59 LLC located between Madison and Twiggs Street immediately
02:53:04 east of Meridian Avenue in the Channelside community
02:53:07 redevelopment area in Tampa, Florida and comprised of
02:53:10 approximately 1.87 acres in size.
02:53:13 This public meeting will be held in the courtyard at the
02:53:17 Grand Central at Kennedy located at 1120 East Kennedy
02:53:20 Boulevard, Tampa, Florida, on Tuesday, jewel 8, 2014 at 6:30
02:53:29 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Motion by Mrs. Montelione.
02:53:30 A second by Mr. Suarez on 87.
02:53:32 All in favor of the motion?
02:53:35 The ayes have it unanimously.
02:53:44 Be transportation committee.
02:53:46 >>FRANK REDDICK: Move 88 through 94.
02:53:49 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Second.
02:53:52 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: All in favor of the motion?
02:53:55 The ayes have it unanimously.
02:54:00 Items set for public --
02:54:02 >>THE CLERK: We skipped item number 25.
02:54:05 Staff is requesting a continuance of that and you all have
02:54:08 to vote on that item.
02:54:13 Number 25.
02:54:25 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: We go back to 25.
02:54:40 >>HARRY COHEN: November continue item 25 to July 17th.
02:54:43 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Second.
02:54:44 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: All in favor of the motion?
02:54:46 The ayes have it unanimously.
02:54:50 Transportation committee vice chair Mr. Frank Reddick.
02:55:00 >>FRANK REDDICK: I thought I just did that.
02:55:03 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'm sorry.
02:55:03 We need a motion from 95 to 99.
02:55:08 Motion made by Mrs. Montelione on 95 through 99.
02:55:11 Second by Mr. Cohen.
02:55:12 All in favor of the motion for those items, please signify
02:55:14 by saying aye. Opposed nay.
02:55:16 The ayes have it unanimously.
02:55:18 Need a motion to open public hearing 100 to 113.
02:55:22 >>LISA MONTELIONE: So moved.
02:55:25 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion by Mrs. Month, second by
02:55:27 Mr. Suarez.
02:55:27 All in favor?
02:55:28 The ayes have it unanimously.
02:55:30 Anyone that's going to testify on these items that which
02:55:34 would be really 100 through 113, all quasi-judicial, need to
02:55:39 stand up, be sworn in.
02:55:40 Clerk, do the swearing in now.
02:55:42 >>THE CLERK: Yes, sir.
02:55:43 (Oath administered by Clerk).
02:55:58 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Item 100.
02:55:59 >>BARBARA LYNCH: Land Development Coordination.
02:56:03 VAC-14-09 was approved by City Council but stormwater
02:56:07 department is now asking that this be withdrawn.
02:56:09 There were some glitches with closing on the property on
02:56:12 that street, and they are actually going to expand the scope
02:56:15 of the property.
02:56:15 So we will be bringing this back in the future for vacating.
02:56:20 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Anyone in the audience care to speak on
02:56:24 100 being withdrawn at this time?
02:56:26 >>HARRY COHEN: Move to withdraw it from the agenda.
02:56:29 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Well, we need to -- well, it's going to
02:56:33 be removed so it makes no difference.
02:56:36 Seconded by Mr. Reddick.
02:56:37 All in favor?
02:56:38 The ayes have it unanimously.
02:56:40 100 is withdrawn.
02:56:51 >>ABBYE FEELEY: Land Development Coordination.
02:56:54 Item number 101 through 107 are rezoning special use items.
02:57:02 Number 103, 104, 105, 106, and 107 requires certification.
02:57:09 Those have been certified.
02:57:10 I do have copies and I have provided them to the clerk.
02:57:12 But I also have them in my file if you would like to review.
02:57:15 Thank you.
02:57:23 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: 101.
02:57:24 Is Petitioner here?
02:57:25 >> My name is Deanna Dungan, design and development, 207
02:57:38 Bates Avenue in Indian rocks beach 33785.
02:57:42 Thank you.
02:57:48 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Anyone in the audience care to speak on
02:57:49 item 101?
02:57:50 >> Move to close.
02:57:53 >> Motion to close by Mr. Cohen.
02:57:54 Second by Mrs. Montelione.
02:57:56 All in favor of the motion to close?
02:57:58 Opposed? The ayes have it unanimously.
02:57:59 Mr. Suarez, would you take 101, please?
02:58:02 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I present an ordinance for second reading
02:58:04 and adoption, an ordinance rezoning property in the general
02:58:07 vicinity of 810 west country club drive in the city of
02:58:10 Tampa, Florida and more particularly described in section 1
02:58:13 from zoning district classification RS-60 residential
02:58:16 single-family to RS-50 residential single-family providing
02:58:20 an effective date.
02:58:22 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion for approval for second
02:58:24 reading by Mr. Suarez.
02:58:25 Seconded by Mr. Reddick.
02:58:27 This is a roll call vote.
02:58:41 >>THE CLERK: On 101 --
02:58:48 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Voice vote on 101.
02:58:50 It's fine.
02:58:51 You say from 102 down.
02:58:54 Roll call vote Mr. Suarez.
02:58:56 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Yes.
02:58:57 >>FRANK REDDICK: Yes.
02:58:59 >>HARRY COHEN: Yes.
02:59:00 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Yes.
02:59:02 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Myself, Miranda, yes.
02:59:04 You can now announce that it's five yes and two absent.
02:59:08 >>THE CLERK: Mr. Chair, the motion was adopted by a vote of
02:59:14 5, and with two absent, Capin and Mulhern.
02:59:24 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Okay.
02:59:24 Item number 102.
02:59:36 >> Stephen Liverpool, 101 East Kennedy Boulevard, Hill,
02:59:41 Ward, Henderson, here again today instead of John Grandoff.
02:59:47 Second reading as I understand it passed 7-0.
02:59:50 No objections from staff on first reading.
02:59:52 I'm available to answer any questions you may have.
02:59:54 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Any questions, council members?
02:59:55 Anyone in the audience care to speak on 10 the 2nd?
02:59:59 Need a motion to close.
03:00:00 I have a motion to close by Mr. Cohen.
03:00:02 Second by Mrs. Montelione.
03:00:04 All in favor of the motion to close please signify by saying
03:00:07 aye. Opposed nay.
03:00:08 The ayes have it unanimously.
03:00:09 Mr. Reddick, would you kindly take number 102, please?
03:00:13 >>FRANK REDDICK: I move an ordinance being presented for
03:00:15 second reading and adoption, an ordinance rezoning the
03:00:17 property in the general vicinity of 4816 west Flamingo Road
03:00:22 in the city of Tampa, Florida and more particularly
03:00:24 described in section 1 from zoning district classification
03:00:27 RS-60 residential single-family to RM-18 residential
03:00:32 multifamily providing an effective date.
03:00:33 >>HARRY COHEN: Second.
03:00:35 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion by Mr. Reddick, a second
03:00:37 by Mr. Cohen.
03:00:38 Roll call vote.
03:00:40 Vote and record.
03:00:57 >>THE CLERK: Mr. Chair, the motion passed unanimously with
03:00:59 Capin and Mulhern absent.
03:01:10 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Okay.
03:01:10 It didn't show up.
03:01:14 Revote on number 2.
03:01:27 Roll call vote.
03:01:28 Vote and record.
03:01:30 It's not going to come up again.
03:01:38 Voice vote.
03:01:42 Mr. Suarez.
03:01:42 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Yes.
03:01:44 >>FRANK REDDICK: Yes.
03:01:46 >>HARRY COHEN: Yes.
03:01:47 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Yes.
03:01:49 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Miranda, yes.
03:01:54 Two are not here.
03:01:55 Passed unanimously.
03:01:55 >>THE CLERK: Mr. Chair, the measure passed unanimously with
03:02:01 Capin and Mulhern absent.
03:02:04 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: 103.
03:02:05 >> Randy Coen, 414 South Westshore Boulevard here on behalf
03:02:18 of the applicant, here to answer any questions you may have.
03:02:22 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Any questions by council members?
03:02:24 Anyone in the care to speak on 103?
03:02:27 I see no one.
03:02:28 Need a motion to close.
03:02:29 Motion by Mr. Suarez, second by Mrs. Montelione.
03:02:32 Further discussion by council members?
03:02:36 The ayes have it unanimously.
03:02:37 The hearing is now closed.
03:02:39 Mr. Cohen, would you kindly take number 103, please?
03:02:43 >>HARRY COHEN: Thank you very much, Mr. Chair.
03:02:45 Move an ordinance being presented for second reading and
03:02:47 adoption, an ordinance rezoning property in the general
03:02:50 vicinity of 5332 Avian park drive in the city of Tampa,
03:02:55 Florida and more particularly described in section 1 from
03:02:58 zoning district classification PD, planned development,
03:03:01 office, business, professional and medical, hotel, airport
03:03:05 shuttle service, principal parking, general retail,
03:03:08 restaurant, vehicle leasing, to PD, planned development,
03:03:11 office, business professional and medical, college and/or
03:03:16 pharmacy, providing an effective date.
03:03:17 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion for approval by Mr.
03:03:19 I have a second by Mr. Suarez on 1073.
03:03:22 This is a roll call vote.
03:03:26 Vote and record.
03:03:29 Oh, not set up.
03:03:30 Roll call vote.
03:03:42 Mr. Suarez.
03:03:43 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Yes.
03:03:47 >>FRANK REDDICK: Yes.
03:03:49 >>HARRY COHEN: Yes.
03:03:51 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Yes.
03:03:52 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: On 103, yes.
03:03:56 >> Mr. Chair, the measure passed unanimously with Capin and
03:04:07 Mulhern absent at vote.
03:04:13 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Okay.
03:04:13 We go to 104.
03:04:15 >> Joseph, here on behalf of the applicant.
03:04:32 Any questions you may have.
03:04:43 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: On number 104.
03:04:46 All in favor?
03:04:48 The ayes have it unanimously.
03:04:51 (off microphone).
03:04:52 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I present an ordinance rezoning property
03:04:58 in the general vicinity of 2506 west Azeele street, 42½
03:05:04 south Tampan yeah Avenue in the city of Tampa, Florida more
03:05:07 described through zoning district classification PD,
03:05:12 business to PD, office, and medical providing an effective
03:05:16 >> Motion for approval by Mrs. Montelione.
03:05:21 Second by Mr. Suarez.
03:05:22 All in favor of that motion?
03:05:26 Roll call vote.
03:05:27 Is it working again?
03:05:29 Roll call vote.
03:05:30 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Yes.
03:05:35 >>FRANK REDDICK: Yes.
03:05:36 >>HARRY COHEN: Yes.
03:05:38 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Yes.
03:05:40 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Miranda yes on 104.
03:05:42 Please announce the vote 5-oh 0 with two being absent.
03:05:46 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Announce the vote.
03:05:54 >>THE CLERK: (off he microphone).
03:06:10 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: 5-07 with two absent I said.
03:06:15 Yes, sir.
03:06:15 >>STEVE MICHELINI: I'm here to answer any questions you
03:06:22 might have for second reading.
03:06:24 I appreciate your vote.
03:06:25 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Any questions by council members on 105?
03:06:29 In the audience care to speak on 1505.
03:06:33 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Motion to close by Mr. Cohen.
03:06:35 Second by Mr. Suarez.
03:06:37 All in favor of the motion, please indicate by saying aye.
03:06:40 Opposed nay.
03:06:41 The ayes have it unanimously.
03:06:43 Mr. Suarez, would you kindly take 105, please?
03:06:48 >>MIKE SUAREZ: An ordinance rezoning property in the
03:06:50 general vicinity of 5811 South MacDill Avenue in the city of
03:06:55 Tampa, Florida and more particularly described in section 1
03:06:58 from zoning district classification RS-60 residential
03:07:01 single-family and CG commercial general to PD planned
03:07:04 development, residential single-family, detached, providing
03:07:08 an effective date.
03:07:08 >>HARRY COHEN: Second.
03:07:12 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion by Mr. Suarez.
03:07:14 I have a second by Mr. Cohen.
03:07:16 Is it working?
03:07:19 We will have to go to voice vote.
03:07:21 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Yes.
03:07:22 >>FRANK REDDICK: Yes.
03:07:24 >>HARRY COHEN: Yes.
03:07:26 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Yes.
03:07:28 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Myself, Charlie Miranda, says yes.
03:07:31 Motion passes 5-0.
03:07:33 Announce the vote.
03:07:34 >>THE CLERK: (off microphone)
03:07:43 Item 106.
03:07:46 Is petitioner here on 106?
03:07:48 >> Mark Bentley representing the petitioner.
03:08:23 Do you have any questions?
03:08:25 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Any questions by council members on 106?
03:08:28 I see none.
03:08:29 Anyone in the audience care to speak on 106?
03:08:31 I see no one.
03:08:34 Motion to close by Mr. Cohen.
03:08:36 Second by Mrs. Montelione.
03:08:37 Further discussion by council members?
03:08:39 All in favor of the motion?
03:08:41 The ayes have it unanimously.
03:08:46 We haven't done anything yet.
03:09:01 [ Laughter ]
03:09:02 Mr. Cohen, would you kindly take 106?
03:09:05 >>HARRY COHEN: Move an ordinance presented for second
03:09:07 reading and adoption, an ordinance rezoning property in the
03:09:09 general vicinity of 1344 west Cass Street and 1319 west
03:09:14 Carmen street in the city of Tampa, Florida and more
03:09:17 particularly described in section 1 from zoning district
03:09:19 classification CG commercial general and CI commercial
03:09:23 intensive to CI commercial intensive, providing an effective
03:09:29 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion by Mr. Cohen, a second by
03:09:31 Mr. Suarez.
03:09:32 Discussion on number 106?
03:09:35 All in favor?
03:09:37 Roll call vote.
03:09:38 Is it working?
03:09:39 Okay, we'll try.
03:09:40 Motion made by Mr. Cohen, second by Mr. Suarez.
03:09:46 Vote and record.
03:09:47 Item 106.
03:09:57 >>THE CLERK: It's not showing up, Mr. Chair.
03:10:00 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Roll call vote.
03:10:00 Mr. Suarez.
03:10:01 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Yes.
03:10:02 >>FRANK REDDICK: No.
03:10:05 >>HARRY COHEN: Yes.
03:10:08 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Yes.
03:10:10 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: How about that?
03:10:11 I get to decide whether this goes or not go.
03:10:14 Mr. Miranda, Charlie, says yes.
03:10:16 >>THE CLERK: The measure passed with four voting yes and
03:10:21 Mr. Reddick voting no and Capin and Mulhern absent.
03:10:30 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Okay.
03:10:30 Item 107.
03:10:32 Is petitioner here?
03:10:42 >> Daniel Peters, AV engineering, 204 Holland Avenue, Temple
03:10:47 Terrace, Florida 33617.
03:10:49 I'm the engineer of record here to answer any questions that
03:10:54 you may have.
03:10:55 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Any questions by council members at this
03:10:58 I see no one.
03:11:00 Need a motion to close.
03:11:02 Motion to close by Mrs. Montelione.
03:11:04 Second by Mr. Reddick.
03:11:05 All in favor of the motion?
03:11:08 The ayes have it unanimously.
03:11:13 All right, Mrs. Montelione.
03:11:16 Thank you for volunteering.
03:11:17 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I move an ordinance for second reading
03:11:21 and adoption, an ordinance approving a special using permit
03:11:23 S-2 approving a public service utility TECO transmission
03:11:27 station in an RS-50 residential single-family and RO-1
03:11:30 residential office zoning district in the general vicinity
03:11:33 of 4104 north Glen Avenue in the city of Tampa, Florida more
03:11:38 particularly described in section 1 hereof providing an
03:11:40 effective date.
03:11:41 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a motion by Mr. Montelione, a real
03:11:43 close second between Mr. Cohen and Mr. Suarez.
03:11:46 I give to the Mr. Cohen this time.
03:11:48 Roll call vote.
03:11:49 Mr. Suarez.
03:11:49 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Yes.
03:11:53 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: On 107.
03:11:53 >>FRANK REDDICK: Yes.
03:11:55 >>HARRY COHEN: Yes.
03:11:56 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Yes.
03:11:58 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Myself Charlie Miranda, yes.
03:12:00 Motion passes 5-0 with two absent.
03:12:03 >>THE CLERK: The motion passed unanimously with Capin and
03:12:06 Mulhern absent.
03:12:10 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: One thing about this exercise, I remember
03:12:12 your names.
03:12:15 >>BARBARA LYNCH: Land Development Coordination.
03:12:17 I'm here to answer any questions you may have on VAC 14-11.
03:12:22 >> 1029 west Bradstreet.
03:12:28 Hoping you approve my orthopedics.
03:12:30 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Any questions by council members?
03:12:31 Anyone in the audience care to speak on number 108?
03:12:34 Number 108.
03:12:35 >>FRANK REDDICK: Move to close.
03:12:38 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Seconded by Mrs. Montelione on 108.
03:12:41 All in in favor? The ayes have it unanimously Mr. Reddick,
03:12:44 would you kindly take number 108, please?
03:12:47 >>FRANK REDDICK: Move an ordinance being presented for
03:12:49 second reading and adoption, an ordinance vein indicating
03:12:51 closing discontinuing abandoning an alleyway lying north of
03:12:55 Braddock street, south of ADALEE street, east of Decatur
03:13:05 Avenue and west of Harding Avenue, in plan of river Heights,
03:13:08 a subdivision in the City of Tampa Hillsborough County
03:13:10 Florida the same being more fully described in section 1
03:13:13 hereof subject to certain easement, reservation, covenants
03:13:16 and conditions and restrictions more particularly set forth
03:13:19 herein providing.
03:13:21 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Second by Mr. Suarez.
03:13:22 Roll call vote.
03:13:25 By voice.
03:13:26 It's not working.
03:13:27 Mr. Suarez.
03:13:27 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Yes.
03:13:29 >>FRANK REDDICK: Yes.
03:13:31 >>HARRY COHEN: Yes.
03:13:32 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Yes.
03:13:34 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I Charlie Miranda says yes also.
03:13:37 Motion passes 5 be to nothing, two being absent.
03:13:40 >>THE CLERK: Mr. Chair, the motion carried unanimously with
03:13:43 Capin and Mulhern absent.
03:13:51 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Item 109 cannot be heard.
03:13:59 Something about misnoticed.
03:14:03 >>ABBYE FEELEY: Land Development Coordination.
03:14:10 Actually here on behalf of Gloria Moreda this afternoon so
03:14:14 she didn't have to wait all day.
03:14:16 This case was misnoticed.
03:14:18 It was an error of staff.
03:14:20 So I would like to request, if you would so kindly, to reset
03:14:24 it for the next morning hearing which I believe is the July
03:14:28 31st which will allow us to do notice.
03:14:31 The city is going to do notice on behalf of the petitioner.
03:14:34 And also if you would please motion for the waiver of the
03:14:36 amendment as it was an error on behalf of staff.
03:14:41 I would greatly appreciate it.
03:14:43 >>HARRY COHEN: Move to reset on July 31st and waive the
03:14:51 amended fee.
03:14:51 >>ABBYE FEELEY: 10:30?
03:14:55 >>HARRY COHEN: 10:30.
03:14:57 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Motion by Mr. Cohen on 109.
03:14:59 Second by Mr. Reddick as stated.
03:15:02 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Wait, wait.
03:15:04 I'm sorry.
03:15:05 When you said the next regular session of council, and you
03:15:08 believe it's the 31st, the next regular session of
03:15:11 council --
03:15:16 >>ABBYE FEELEY: Thank you so much for that question.
03:15:18 I appreciate it.
03:15:20 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Oh, confused me.
03:15:22 >> Thank you, council.
03:15:26 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: All in favor of the motion to move to
03:15:30 July 31st, at what time?
03:15:34 All in favor?
03:15:36 The ayes have it unanimously with two absent.
03:15:38 >>BARBARA LYNCH: Land Development Coordination.
03:15:49 VAC 14-12 is a request by K-bar to vacate a portion of
03:15:55 Mistflower lane and paddock view drive, lying south of K-Bar
03:16:00 Ranch parkway and east of wild TAMARIND drive.
03:16:09 Mine is a little older than the one that I was supplied, but
03:16:13 this property is roadway unimproved at this time and the
03:16:19 reason they are being vacated is to be replat -- they are
03:16:23 going to do a replat of this portion of the roadway, and to
03:16:26 accommodate the city park.
03:16:28 Mr. Marrow can explain that a little more.
03:16:30 To give -- this is actually what it looks like today so
03:16:34 those roadways would be on this portion and this portion
03:16:39 would be the yellow.
03:16:40 So there is some housing out here now.
03:16:43 Mine does not show that.
03:16:44 This is out in the north New Tampa area.
03:16:48 And I have a picture of Mistflower lane.
03:16:54 And this is the developed portion.
03:16:58 It had been finished.
03:16:59 And looking out in the undeveloped area where this roadway
03:17:02 currently is platted.
03:17:05 And then this be is just looking back at the home.
03:17:08 And this is going to be replatted to extend the road again.
03:17:15 There is no objection this request.
03:17:17 There's no utilities out there currently.
03:17:22 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Item 110.
03:17:23 Anyone in the public?
03:17:25 Yes, sir.
03:17:25 >> Everett Morrow, Mark Engineering, for the petitioner.
03:17:33 As Mrs. Lynch explained part of the K bar development, one
03:17:38 of the zoning conditions is there has to be a park
03:17:40 dedication out there.
03:17:41 And so when they got the master plan worked out, we found
03:17:45 the ideal locates location, you can't have the driveways
03:17:49 accessing or backing onto the park roadway.
03:17:52 So what we are doing is we are vacating this plat.
03:17:55 You will actually see in July we replatted these same lots.
03:17:59 But it's to accommodate the future park for the community.
03:18:03 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Anyone else in the audience care to speak
03:18:04 on this item, item number 110?
03:18:08 I have a motion to close by Mrs. Montelione.
03:18:10 Second by Mr. Suarez.
03:18:11 All in favor of the motion to close?
03:18:13 The ayes have it unanimously.
03:18:15 Mr. Suarez, would you kindly take 110, please?
03:18:18 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I present an ordinance for first reading
03:18:21 consideration, an ordinance vacating, closing,
03:18:22 discontinuing, abandoning portions of Mistflower Lane and
03:18:27 Paddock View Drive lying within Bassett Creek Estates phases
03:18:32 2 can C and 2 D a subdivision in the City of Tampa,
03:18:36 Hillsborough County the same being more fully described in
03:18:39 section hereof providing an effective date.
03:18:42 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have a second by Mr. Reddick on 110 ^.
03:18:46 Roll call vote.
03:18:48 By voice.
03:18:49 Mr. Suarez.
03:18:50 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Yes.
03:18:59 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Not working.
03:19:00 Oh, this is first reading, I'm sorry.
03:19:02 All in favor of the motion please identify by saying aye.
03:19:05 Opposed nay.
03:19:06 The ayes have it unanimously.
03:19:10 >>THE CLERK: The second reading for this item will be July
03:19:14 17th at 9:30 a.m.
03:19:18 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: 111 I understand Sab quarterback to have
03:19:20 it withdrawn.
03:19:20 Am I correct?
03:19:21 I need a motion to that affect.
03:19:23 I have a motion by Mr. Cohen.
03:19:25 Second by Mrs. Montelione to allow that to happen.
03:19:30 All in favor?
03:19:32 Tampa ayes have it unanimously.
03:19:35 Item number 112.
03:19:38 An appeal hearing.
03:19:44 Also withdrawn.
03:19:45 I have a motion -- anyone in the audience care to speak on
03:19:49 I have a motion by Mr. Cohen to withdraw.
03:19:51 Seconded by Mrs. Montelione.
03:19:55 On a close vote with Mr. Suarez.
03:19:58 All in favor of the motion to withdraw?
03:20:00 The ayes have it unanimously.
03:20:02 Item number 113.
03:20:05 Let me say this.
03:20:07 This has been on here now from February, to April, to May,
03:20:14 to now.
03:20:14 This is the last time that this should be allowed to
03:20:18 I don't think it's anyone's fault.
03:20:19 I don't know what they are doing there.
03:20:21 I feel sorry for the individuals.
03:20:22 But I don't know what to do.
03:20:25 Comes up every couple of months.
03:20:27 We keep extending it.
03:20:29 So I don't mind rescheduling to August 28th.
03:20:33 But after that, if they don't come in, that ship is gone.
03:20:39 I need a motion to reschedule by Mr. Reddick.
03:20:42 Seconded by Mr. Cohen to August 28th at 10:30 in the
03:20:47 All in favor?
03:20:49 The ayes have it unanimously.
03:20:50 Information reports, from council members, left to right.
03:20:53 Mrs. Montelione.
03:20:54 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Just one item, sir.
03:21:00 I saw in today's paper that the daughter of one of our
03:21:05 fallen officers, Randy Bell, he was one of the three law
03:21:09 enforcement officers that was killed on May 19th, 1998.
03:21:14 His daughter was in need of a liver transplant, and I had
03:21:20 gotten a request from someone I know to participate in the
03:21:26 fund drive to assist in supplementing the fund.
03:21:34 That effort brought in over $100,000.
03:21:37 And today, I read in the paper that she did receive that
03:21:41 liver transplant.
03:21:42 So I was very happy to see that that finally had happened
03:21:47 for her.
03:21:50 Anything else?
03:21:50 Mr. Cohen.
03:21:51 >>HARRY COHEN: Thank you very much, Mr. Chair.
03:21:54 I have three items.
03:21:55 The first is I would like to ask for a commendation for the
03:22:00 Tampa Police Benevolent Association on the occasion it of
03:22:03 the opening of their new building.
03:22:06 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Motion by Mr. Cohen.
03:22:07 Second by Mrs. Montelione.
03:22:08 All in favor of that motion?
03:22:11 The ayes have it unanimously.
03:22:12 >>HARRY COHEN: Second, I would like to schedule a five
03:22:15 minute presentation along with the commendation for August
03:22:18 7th for reach up to come in, Wilberry and Dr. Davis, to
03:22:26 come in and give us a report on the work that they are doing
03:22:29 to combat infant mortality.
03:22:32 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Motion by Mr. Cohen.
03:22:33 Second by Mrs. Montelione.
03:22:35 All in favor of the motion?
03:22:37 The ayes have it unanimously.
03:22:38 >>HARRY COHEN: First, I would like to ask for a staff
03:22:41 report at our August 7th meeting to discuss the
03:22:46 following item.
03:22:48 As many of you are aware, I have been spending some time
03:22:52 working on some of the issues related to Howard Avenue, and
03:22:56 some of the parking and traffic issues be that are being
03:23:00 faced by both our residents and our businesses in that area.
03:23:05 And an idea has bubbled to the surface to look at whether or
03:23:11 not we can create be on-street parking on Platt Street.
03:23:16 Platt Street is three ways in one direction starting at
03:23:20 Armenia, and what feeds into it is a two-way at Azeele.
03:23:26 And the idea that I am proposing -- and by the way, I have
03:23:29 already spoken to Mr. Mike herr and Jean Duncan from
03:23:36 transportation, that when Platt Street is resurfaced which
03:23:40 is scheduled for sometime in the next couple of months, that
03:23:43 in our restriping of plat, we look at whether or not we can
03:23:47 narrow the roadway, which is actually in keeping with some
03:23:52 of the traffic calming proposals that have been made in the
03:23:57 area and create either parallel parking or angle parking on
03:24:02 the side of Platt Street.
03:24:05 And it would not be out of the realm of possibility to meter
03:24:08 those spaces and actually have the city make money by
03:24:13 actually selling the parking there, given the parking
03:24:17 technology that we are using now we could actually change
03:24:19 the rates based on whether or not it was evening or daytime.
03:24:23 So I would like to ask them to come back with a report on
03:24:26 the feasibility of doing that, and also whether or not there
03:24:30 is additional parking opportunity that can be created in the
03:24:34 right-of-way fund on Platt, perhaps west of Howard.
03:24:42 So I would like to ask them to come in and do that
03:24:44 understood staff reports on August 7th.
03:24:47 And one last thing I want to point out about that.
03:24:49 You will remember that we started be a program earlier this
03:24:53 year, where we started replacing our lights in the city with
03:24:58 LED lights.
03:24:59 And one of the things that would make Platt a very
03:25:01 attractive place for people to park, particularly that are
03:25:04 leaving the bars at night, is that Platt is one of the first
03:25:06 streets to get LED lighting so the street is now all lit up
03:25:10 and people could actually see their way down the sidewalks
03:25:13 to wherever their car is parked.
03:25:14 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Second.
03:25:20 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Motion by Mr. Cohen.
03:25:21 I don't know who got the second.
03:25:22 It's real close.
03:25:23 Mrs. Montelione.
03:25:25 Sorry, Mr. Suarez.
03:25:31 All in favor of the motion for that signify by saying aye.
03:25:35 Passed unanimously.
03:25:37 Thank you, sir.
03:25:38 >>FRANK REDDICK: None, Mr. Chair.
03:25:43 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Earlier today the U.S. lost to Germany.
03:25:47 That doesn't mean that we are not going to move onto the
03:25:50 round of 16 teams in the world cup.
03:25:52 It's important for us to remember that with Fourth of July
03:25:55 coming up, July 1st we are going to have another match.
03:25:58 I think we are playing Belgium in the next match.
03:26:01 Please watch it and hopefully you will enjoy the game as
03:26:04 much as I will.
03:26:04 Thank you, chair.
03:26:07 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Did you join this one?
03:26:09 >> I did not.
03:26:12 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I understand.
03:26:13 I need a motion to receive and file all documents.
03:26:16 Motion by Mrs. Montelione.
03:26:17 Second by Mr. Reddick.
03:26:19 All in favor of the motion?
03:26:21 The ayes have it unanimously.
03:26:22 Also under new business, there was two letters given to the
03:26:25 clerk's office, a memorandum from Mrs. Capin and Mrs.
03:26:28 Mulhern that they would be absent from the June 26th day
03:26:33 and evening sessions.
03:26:34 Need a motion to receive and file those.
03:26:36 >>HARRY COHEN: So moved.
03:26:39 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Motion by Mr. Cohen.
03:26:40 Seconded by Mr. Suarez.
03:26:41 All in favor of that motion?
03:26:43 The ayes have it unanimously.
03:26:45 Anyone in the audience care to come to this audience all 512
03:26:50 of you?
03:26:52 Don't speak all at once.
03:26:53 I see no one.
03:26:55 Anything else to come before this council?
03:26:57 We stand adjourned.
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